| 00:00.05 | erego | So can I figure this myself? |
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| 00:01.21 | boudiccas | erego; what stopping you walking over and sorting the machine out where it is? |
| 00:01.41 | erego | boudiccas: People want me... |
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| 00:01.59 | boudiccas | erego; so? |
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| 00:03.08 | skybound | i was wondering the same thing; haven't seen an ethernet driver not loading automatically in years - and then it definitely wasn't as easy as "modprobe foo" |
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| 00:06.19 | ouyes | hello everyone, when I am trying to download debian via bittorrent, I found there were a lot of cd images, from cd1 to cd14, which one should I choose? |
| 00:06.48 | erego | boudiccas: vt6102 rhine-II rev78 |
| 00:07.21 | LtL | ouyes: CD1 is all you need, choose the correct architecture. |
| 00:07.22 | kd123 | ouyes, you'd be better off getting the DVD |
| 00:07.29 | boudiccas | ouyes; if you want to install debian, used cd1 |
| 00:07.34 | kd123 | if you can it's 4.4 Gb |
| 00:07.34 | erego | Via rhine? |
| 00:07.55 | kd123 | the cd doesn't come with a windows manager |
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| 00:08.11 | LtL | kd123: yes it does |
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| 00:08.23 | erego | Just different servers right? |
| 00:08.28 | erego | No real difference... |
| 00:08.54 | erego | Does vt6102 rhine-II rev78 use via-rhine module, or what? |
| 00:09.04 | kd123 | LtL, really what's it have xfce? |
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| 00:09.20 | erego | Gnome right? |
| 00:09.34 | themill | ,pciid 1106:3065 |
| 00:09.34 | LtL | kd123: Gnome, but it _may_ contain others. |
| 00:09.35 | judd | [1106:3065] is 'VT6102 [Rhine-II]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'via-rhine' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3065 |
| 00:09.46 | themill | erego: ^^ check the pciid against that one though |
| 00:09.58 | ryanhiebert | ok try http://web2.puc.edu/Staff/Ryan_Hiebert/dump.cap |
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| 00:10.05 | kd123 | LtL, oh does it just have gnome-core? |
| 00:10.26 | ouyes | kd123, LtL boudiccas thanks, what are the use for other cd like cd2 3 4, and can I get a screenshot about debian 6, so I can take a look at what it is like before I install |
| 00:10.50 | erego | It can |
| 00:11.01 | ouyes | I am used to be a ubuntu guy, I hate unity, and gnome the latest |
| 00:11.05 | erego | Their can't be that many, besides via rhine how many others are their? |
| 00:11.10 | LtL | kd123: CD1 has the entire gnome desktop less a few amenities, not to mention certain binutils etc but plenty to be good to go. |
| 00:11.22 | kd123 | ouyes, the other cds or dvds just have other packages |
| 00:11.39 | boudiccas | ouyes; cd 2 onwards contains other programs that you may want o use from the cds instead of getting them over the web |
| 00:11.41 | kd123 | LtL, oh ok.... thanks |
| 00:11.58 | boudiccas | want to use |
| 00:11.59 | themill | (CD1 unfortunately doesn't contain enough to get WPA2 working which is a shame) |
| 00:12.05 | LtL | kd123: quite welcome. ouyes, welcome |
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| 00:13.07 | LtL | themill: Didn't realize that.. i install wireless machines on the wie, then do the fun wf |
| 00:13.18 | LtL | themill: wifi stuff |
| 00:13.45 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Worked. |
| 00:14.03 | LtL | I meant, on the wire, silly keyboard is touchy. |
| 00:15.24 | erego | http://pastebin.com/PtaSSmEM |
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| 00:18.58 | ryanhiebert | is tcpdump croaking on vlan traffic? |
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| 00:20.02 | ryanhiebert | it seems like the requests that were showing are untagged, and the ones that are not showing are tagged 802.1q |
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| 00:22.25 | ryanhiebert | that's it. |
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| 00:22.38 | ryanhiebert | new line: tcpdump -r dump.cap -n -e vlan and src port 67 |
| 00:23.00 | ryanhiebert | that's the important detail that i wasn't telling you. |
| 00:23.05 | ryanhiebert | thanks. |
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| 00:26.53 | monkey_see | is it possible to have suspend to ram on debian squeeze? http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend has no info for squeeze |
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| 00:27.28 | monkey_see | I'm using kde (which has that power mangement frontend) |
| 00:27.57 | themill | monkey_see: sure -- works just fine |
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| 00:28.45 | monkey_see | themill: I'm using debian backports because of the nvidia optimus card. Maybe that is a problem? |
| 00:29.00 | themill | with non-free nvidia driver? |
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| 00:29.30 | themill | has no idea how well suspend works with the nvidia drivers these days |
| 00:29.39 | jorn | heyho, i got to a system where they used apt-get for a while and then switched to aptitude... is there a cool way to mark many of the "manually" installed packages as "auto" installed depending on some base packages such as linux-generic or on virtual packages such as ubuntu-minimal? |
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| 00:30.20 | themill | jorn: apt-get has been marking packages as automatically installed for a few years as well now |
| 00:30.26 | monkey_see | themill: yes. I've tested closing the laptop lid but it doesn't suspend (at least totally), and when I open it the screen doesn't come back to life. What packages are you using for power management? (there are way too many) |
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| 00:32.32 | themill | monkey_see: in System Settings → Hardware → Power management backend → HAL power. Make sure you're in the "power" group. I use the power management plasmoid to actually suspend. |
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| 00:32.48 | themill | err.... "powerdev" group |
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| 00:33.04 | fpu | hello |
| 00:33.13 | pielgrzym | hi, after upgrading from lenny to squeeze mysql doesn't want to start (/var/log/debug says only there is no socket in /var/run/mysqld...). any ideas? |
| 00:33.38 | fpu | I'm running Debian on a system with nvram partition...basically I'm looking for "nvram" command |
| 00:33.46 | themill | dpkg: tell pielgrzym about squeeze mysql |
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| 00:34.04 | themill | pielgrzym: make sure you've actually got the server installed. |
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| 00:34.18 | jorn | themill: ok, but how can i see the difference? dpkg -l doesn't show it and i seem to be lacking the right keywords for google |
| 00:34.47 | afuentes | fpu apt-file search nvram |
| 00:34.52 | pielgrzym | fpu: ah, very good point :D |
| 00:35.13 | fpu | afuentes: did this |
| 00:35.15 | themill | jorn: manually installed packages can be listed with "aptitude search '~i!~M'" remove the ! to see automatically installed packages |
| 00:35.22 | afuentes | nvramtool: /usr/sbin/nvramtool |
| 00:35.23 | monkey_see | themill: I have it installed and I'm also in the powerdev group. But what do you mean by plasmoid? Do you mean that tray icon thingy that gets installed by default? |
| 00:35.40 | themill | monkey_see: battery monitor thingy in tray, yes |
| 00:35.47 | afuentes | fpu i dont even know what nvram is x) |
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| 00:36.46 | monkey_see | themill: didn't you have to install laptop-mode-tools or something else? |
| 00:37.01 | monkey_see | or the guidance-power-manager? |
| 00:37.10 | afuentes | fpu, you also seems to have this nvram-wakeup |
| 00:37.32 | pielgrzym | fpu: thanks a lot! :) for a minute I thought I'll have to recreate all dbs - fortunately it all works flawlessly! :) |
| 00:37.43 | themill | monkey_see: I have pm-utils installed but I don't think they were necessary |
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| 00:38.37 | themill | monkey_see: and powermgmt-base, but I think that's dragged in by plenty of other things |
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| 00:38.47 | jorn | themill: that lists way too much, that's my problem... isn't aptitude just using /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates which it generates on first use? |
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| 00:39.30 | fpu | pielgrzym: huh? I didn't help you :p |
| 00:39.37 | themill | jorn: no, /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
| 00:39.46 | fpu | aufentes: hmm, I'll try this |
| 00:39.53 | pielgrzym | fpu: sorry :) |
| 00:39.56 | fpu | I'm not sure it's the same though |
| 00:39.58 | pielgrzym | themill: thanks a lot! :) |
| 00:40.02 | fpu | :) |
| 00:40.06 | fpu | cheers from Poland, btw |
| 00:40.08 | themill | pielgrzym: np, happy hunting |
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| 00:40.28 | pielgrzym | fpu: hehe :) debian w polsce rządzi ;P |
| 00:40.33 | fpu | :) |
| 00:41.21 | jorn | themill: ok, but still even in that file a lot of libraries that i'm sure no one installed manually are marked as manually installed |
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| 00:43.44 | themill | jorn: that's entirely possible if this is a box that started off as etch, yes. What are you actually hoping to achieve here, btw |
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| 00:51.25 | jorn | themill: well, removing a lot of unused libraries |
| 00:51.37 | themill | !deborphan |
| 00:51.37 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://deb.li/3qpqF provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of HDD. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
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| 00:52.52 | jorn | themill: cool, will have a look |
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| 01:00.30 | mparodi | How do I configure debian to reboot the computer when execute reboot? it's only rebooting the OS! |
| 01:00.40 | mparodi | when I execute* |
| 01:00.50 | lao_tsu | So I enable the module using modprobe however i still do not get eth0, I am suspecting a problem with udev... |
| 01:00.58 | lao_tsu | However i could be completely wrong. |
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| 01:01.46 | lao_tsu | I am trieing to enable via-rhine... |
| 01:01.48 | lao_tsu | *trying |
| 01:02.36 | NiLon | mparodi how about using shutdown -r now |
| 01:03.27 | Udoblunt | NiLon: I think he means how to do it from within gnome |
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| 01:06.27 | lao_tsu | I run "modprobe --first-time --force --verbose via-rhine |
| 01:06.56 | mparodi | oh, found it |
| 01:07.05 | Udoblunt | mparodi: how ? |
| 01:07.07 | mparodi | you have to remove kexec-tools |
| 01:07.21 | mparodi | once you remove this package the reboot functionality works normal |
| 01:07.45 | Udoblunt | are there any other functions of that package ? |
| 01:07.51 | mparodi | don't know :) |
| 01:07.57 | Udoblunt | lol |
| 01:08.01 | Udoblunt | i dont even have kexec-tools isntalled |
| 01:08.03 | Udoblunt | and it does that |
| 01:08.25 | mparodi | Udoblunt, are you sure? |
| 01:08.31 | Udoblunt | or atleast i think, i got used to shutting down completely if i wanted to switch to another OS |
| 01:08.40 | mparodi | (I installed it from a live USB) |
| 01:08.44 | Udoblunt | will try soon, compiling kernel atm |
| 01:09.14 | mparodi | check if you really don't have it installed |
| 01:09.52 | mparodi | look |
| 01:09.54 | mparodi | Description: tools to support fast kexec reboots |
| 01:09.54 | mparodi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.21 | Udoblunt | mine is called pkexec |
| 01:10.27 | mparodi | maybe |
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| 01:10.38 | mparodi | I wonder why "p"... |
| 01:10.58 | Udoblunt | but changing load_kexec=true to false in /etc/default/kexec should stop it too |
| 01:10.59 | Udoblunt | dunno |
| 01:11.42 | mparodi | maybe |
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| 01:13.16 | Mr_Queue | they change the name of the package that allows you to change the gdm theme at login? Swear it used to be session-manager |
| 01:13.25 | Tunix2 | Hey guys, on the OpenJDK site (http://openjdk.java.net/install/) it says just run sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre to get it however debian says: E: Couldn't find package openjdk-7-jre. Is there a way to easily get a prebuilt package? The version 6 is on there but not 7 |
| 01:13.35 | Mr_Queue | I must be missing something simple here... |
| 01:13.44 | Mr_Queue | I don't even really care, the GF is asking lol |
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| 01:15.05 | Mr_Queue | suppose I have to dump gdm3 for gdm and pick up gdm-themes no? |
| 01:15.20 | mparodi | Tunix2, change your source.list to testing/whatever, update, install, change back to stable |
| 01:15.26 | mparodi | in case you're using stable, of course ^ |
| 01:15.35 | Tunix2 | mparodi: Ill look into this now thank you |
| 01:15.40 | Udoblunt | Mr_Queue: yes |
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| 01:16.02 | Mr_Queue | right on.. |
| 01:16.08 | Mr_Queue | thanks Udoblunt |
| 01:16.13 | Udoblunt | Mr_Queue: yw |
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| 01:17.49 | Udoblunt | mparodi: pkexec - lets u execute a command as a different user ; guessing it's comming from somewhere else |
| 01:18.29 | Tunix2 | mparodi: This is my sources list http://pastie.org/3658031, I cant seem to find an easy way to change the repos to testing. Do I need to add something custom? |
| 01:18.37 | mparodi | Udoblunt, what do you use? somehow I don't have any pkexec |
| 01:18.58 | Udoblunt | mparodi: im using squeeze |
| 01:19.15 | mparodi | Tunix2, just replace lenny for testing and update |
| 01:19.25 | Udoblunt | mparodi: is there a way to find out out of wich package it came ? |
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| 01:19.57 | mparodi | Tunix2, I meant, the string "lenny" in your source.list |
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| 01:20.36 | Tunix2 | mparodi: Okay I did that, updated and now I am seeing 7. thank you |
| 01:21.09 | mparodi | Udoblunt, apt-get search kexec-tools is empty? |
| 01:21.19 | Udoblunt | yea |
| 01:21.24 | mparodi | weird |
| 01:21.31 | karlpinc | Tell Tunix2 about moving target |
| 01:21.42 | mparodi | I have it in testing and I have checked it's in stable as well |
| 01:21.43 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about moving target |
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| 01:22.10 | Tunix2 | Ah now its yelling about dependencies |
| 01:22.25 | boudiccas | ,versions pkexec |
| 01:22.26 | judd | No package named 'pkexec' was found in i386. |
| 01:22.35 | mparodi | ,versions kexec-tools |
| 01:22.36 | judd | Package: kexec-tools on i386 -- lenny: 20080324-2; squeeze: 1:2.0.1-4; sid: 1:2.0.3-1; wheezy: 1:2.0.3-1 |
| 01:22.45 | karlpinc | mparodi, Tunix2 : mixing testing and stable is a sure way to break your system. |
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| 01:23.09 | mparodi | it's not a mix, just one package from testing |
| 01:23.10 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: I simply want the OpenJDK 7, and I thought it was supposed to be in the stable area |
| 01:23.20 | mparodi | (and its dependencies :P) |
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| 01:23.40 | Udoblunt | mparodi: its part of policykit-1 ; framework for managing administrative policies and piviliges |
| 01:23.45 | Tunix2 | Here is what it is yelling about http://i.imgur.com/EULkK.png |
| 01:24.16 | karlpinc | mparodi, Tunix2 : Yes, that's mixing testing and stable. It's better to backport or find some other way of getting what you want. |
| 01:24.16 | mparodi | Tunix2, you should really consider upgrading to testing. it's far better in my opinion |
| 01:24.24 | karlpinc | Tunix2: What's the package name? |
| 01:24.37 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: openjdk-7-jre |
| 01:24.46 | karlpinc | ,versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 01:24.47 | Tunix2 | mparodi: How would I upgrade to testing? |
| 01:24.48 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7~u3-2.1-3; wheezy: 7~u3-2.1-3 |
| 01:25.09 | mparodi | Tuinslak, once you have "testing" instead of "lenny" in source.list, just apt-get dist-upgrade and smile :) |
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| 01:25.20 | Tunix2 | mparodi: Is that dangerous at all? |
| 01:25.42 | mparodi | well, I haven't had any problem but.. |
| 01:26.00 | karlpinc | Tunix2: You're then running testing, which breaks. And does not have security support. In my opinion no security support is dangerous. Others have other opinions. |
| 01:26.12 | mparodi | it's not true! |
| 01:26.17 | mparodi | testing works pretty well |
| 01:26.23 | karlpinc | !moving target |
| 01:26.23 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 01:26.38 | mparodi | it doesn't break that much |
| 01:26.40 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: So I never figured out, is openjdk 7 not supported for my version then? |
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| 01:27.05 | karlpinc | mparodi: Yes, testing is a lot more stable than other distos "stable" versions, or so I hear. |
| 01:27.18 | mparodi | Tuinslak, the software in stable tends to be "old", that's way you don't have version 7 there |
| 01:27.19 | karlpinc | Tunix2: You might try backporting it yourself. |
| 01:27.36 | karlpinc | Tunix2: It's due to stable being stable. |
| 01:27.36 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: I am not familiar with how to do that |
| 01:27.41 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about stable |
| 01:27.51 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about ssb |
| 01:28.11 | karlpinc | Tunix2: You might also be interested in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 01:28.41 | mparodi | I mean, ok, you can install whatever version you want by hand in stable but testing is pretty stable actually, I don't see why not to use it |
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| 01:28.58 | karlpinc | Tunix2: The judd bot has some command or another that will check what dependencies you might need to backport a package, but I can't recall the command. Gotta go. |
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| 01:29.14 | Tunix2 | kk thank you for the help |
| 01:29.23 | dvs | mparodi: testing is stable for now but when the next stable release comes out, all bets are off. |
| 01:29.42 | karlpinc | mparodi: I don't use it because it does not have security support, and because I don't need what it's got. I'd prefer to be patient and just get new stuff and deal with all the problems when a new stable is released. |
| 01:29.47 | saban | collaborative software for linux? any poverfiull? |
| 01:30.08 | karlpinc | saban: irc is pretty powerful. |
| 01:30.10 | mparodi | ,versions iceweasel |
| 01:30.11 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-13; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-13; wheezy: 10.0.2-1; sid: 10.0.3esr-2; experimental: 11.0-2 |
| 01:30.16 | mparodi | it's insanely old |
| 01:30.29 | mparodi | 3 vs 10 |
| 01:30.34 | meLon | I am trying to connect to a LAN server that will allow LAN connections. However, the server is using my client's hostname.local instead of it's IP to match against it's configuration. Is there a way that I can have mysql use IP vs local domain? |
| 01:30.40 | karlpinc | mparodi: So. Why do you need something newer? |
| 01:30.51 | dvs | mparodi: That's what mozilla.debian.net is fore |
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| 01:31.04 | karlpinc | !tell meLon about readme.debian |
| 01:31.09 | mparodi | but it happens with almost all the packages |
| 01:31.11 | saban | i mean like share microsoft sharepoint... |
| 01:31.25 | mparodi | you can't install them all by hand |
| 01:31.53 | mparodi | I'm sure it's good to have a stable version, specially for servers |
| 01:32.07 | mparodi | I just don't like to use it on my laptop :P |
| 01:32.08 | Tunix2 | mparodi: I went back to stable, did an update, tried to install the openjdk-6-jre and Now I get this: http://i.imgur.com/lkzS9.png |
| 01:32.14 | meLon | karlpinc: Are you suggesting this is not a system setting on my client, but a program setting on my server? Are you sure of this? I know how to join #mysql :P |
| 01:32.15 | karlpinc | saban: There's something called silk, but microsoft paid all their developers to work on something non-linux so I don't know how it's doing. |
| 01:32.57 | karlpinc | meLon: Sounded like it, but you're description of the problem was not clear. |
| 01:33.03 | karlpinc | meLon: (to me) |
| 01:33.25 | mparodi | Tunix2, I don't know. I haven't tried to install it from stable |
| 01:33.39 | meLon | Right, because I am unclear of the problem. I am not sure why this SINGLE client is using hostname.local vs IP. The rest of my debian/ubuntu computers connect to the DB just fine, so I didn't think it was a mysql related issue. |
| 01:33.42 | karlpinc | saban: I believe there are other options, but I can't think now. |
| 01:34.05 | mparodi | by the way, there's a non-open java sdk as well, Tunix2 |
| 01:34.14 | Tunix2 | I feel like if it is in the default stable sources I should not be ahving this kind of trouble when i want to do a simple apt-get install |
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| 01:34.39 | Tunix2 | mparodi: What is it called? I have heard openjdk was good for java heady server applications |
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| 01:34.43 | mparodi | java6-sdk ? |
| 01:34.48 | mparodi | java7-sdk ? |
| 01:34.50 | mparodi | not sure |
| 01:35.22 | Tunix2 | Oh I see, I was using the default java 6 JRE but I was getting some performance issues and I heard the openJDK was a bit quicker |
| 01:35.22 | mparodi | sun-java6-sdk maybe |
| 01:35.29 | Tunix2 | Now I cant seem to get the darn thing installed |
| 01:35.44 | saban | karlpinc: ok i will search in google. i was using zimbra but it is not so poverfull... microsoft did a good job in sharepoint workspace |
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| 01:36.29 | mparodi | Tunix2 try apt-get install <packages> <dependencies> |
| 01:36.38 | Turl | Tunix2: that ^ |
| 01:36.55 | Turl | you'll eventually reach a meaningful error |
| 01:37.15 | mparodi | yeah, one like "upgrade to testing and be happy :)" |
| 01:38.02 | dvs | or grub no longer works |
| 01:38.06 | Tunix2 | And I have reached that error: http://i.imgur.com/zxrMk.png |
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| 01:38.45 | boudiccas | saban; what do you mean by 'poverfull[? |
| 01:38.57 | boudiccas | 'poverfull' |
| 01:39.40 | boudiccas | saban; do you mean 'pwerfull'? |
| 01:39.45 | boudiccas | powerfull |
| 01:39.53 | Turl | Tunix2: run apt-cache policy tzdata-java |
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| 01:40.02 | saban | boudiccas: yes it was typo :P |
| 01:40.29 | Tunix2 | Turl: http://i.imgur.com/Cd880.png |
| 01:40.54 | Turl | Tunix2: you're using lenny right? |
| 01:41.03 | Tunix2 | Turl: Yes I believe so |
| 01:41.08 | Turl | it's no longer maintained as far as I know |
| 01:41.14 | Turl | you should upgrade to squeeze |
| 01:41.15 | Tunix2 | ... jesus |
| 01:41.17 | Turl | see the topic |
| 01:41.29 | Tunix2 | Turl: What is a quick way to check my version? |
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| 01:41.36 | Turl | Tunix2: lsb_release -a |
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| 01:42.02 | Turl | or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:42.12 | Tunix2 | Yep lenny |
| 01:42.37 | Tunix2 | So do I change all the strings that say "lenny" into "squeeze" in my sources.list and then run apt-get dist upgrade |
| 01:42.43 | Tunix2 | after an update of course |
| 01:42.46 | mparodi | Tuinslak, you're using lenny, that's what you have in your source.list |
| 01:43.00 | Tunix2 | facepalm |
| 01:43.06 | Tunix2 | yeah you are correct |
| 01:43.12 | Turl | Tunix2: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 01:43.19 | Turl | that has instructions |
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| 01:44.30 | Tunix2 | Yeah that was too condensed, I may have better luck using a google found tutorial |
| 01:44.31 | mparodi | fortunately it's possible to use "stable" and "testing" instead of the real name of the distro, because I never remember the names :P |
| 01:44.54 | mparodi | Tunix2, what you said should work |
| 01:44.59 | mparodi | <Tunix2> So do I change all the strings that say "lenny" into "squeeze" in my sources.list and then run apt-get dist upgrade |
| 01:45.10 | Tunix2 | Ah okay |
| 01:46.30 | mparodi | but instead use "stable" instead of "squeezy" so you won't need to change it again next time the stable name changes |
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| 01:48.15 | Turl | mparodi: that isn't much of a good idea really |
| 01:48.26 | dvs | It's the wrong idea |
| 01:48.30 | Turl | imagine you're doing routinary upgrades and you're hit with over 9000 packages |
| 01:48.30 | mparodi | why? |
| 01:48.35 | Turl | ^ |
| 01:48.44 | mparodi | then you say "N" instead of "Y" |
| 01:48.52 | Tunix2 | mparodi: I decided to try it this way: http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps lower on the page it says to do a uname -r and then run something like apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 01:48.57 | Tunix2 | What is the point of that? |
| 01:49.19 | mparodi | <mparodi> then you say "N" instead of "Y" <-- when you're asked to confirm |
| 01:49.27 | dvs | Tunix2: you need to update the kernel first. |
| 01:50.20 | Turl | mparodi: yeah but it's not good anyway |
| 01:50.23 | Tunix2 | dvs: Ah so just running apt-get dist upgrade would not have been smart then? How do I know if apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 is the right kernel for me? uname -r shows 2.6.18-028stab099.3 |
| 01:50.27 | Turl | you stop getting your oldstable updates |
| 01:51.10 | dvs | Tunix2: uname -m will tell you |
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| 01:51.41 | Tunix2 | dvs: shows x86_64 |
| 01:51.57 | dvs | Tunix2: so amd64 is the right one. |
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| 01:52.35 | Tunix2 | dvs: It couldnt find the package apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 01:52.50 | Tunix2 | Or rather linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64* |
| 01:53.04 | dvs | Tunix2: Try linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 01:53.54 | Tunix2 | dvs: More dependency errors: http://i.imgur.com/QYwpw.png |
| 01:54.37 | dvs | Tunix2: If you changed the sources.list file, you should apt-get update first. |
| 01:55.51 | Tunix2 | Okay I rolled back to lenny in the sources, ran the command again and its working |
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| 01:56.27 | Tunix2 | dvs: Uh oh, it wants to know if I should make a symlink, http://i.imgur.com/vIbS1.png |
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| 01:56.59 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:57.45 | gp5st | how can i move a logfile and have the program recreate it and write to the new one so that i can compress the old one? |
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| 01:58.48 | Tunix2 | dvs: it is now asking if I should abort the kernel install |
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| 01:59.25 | Tunix2 | http://i.imgur.com/ECi4D.png |
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| 02:00.46 | Tunix2 | Does anyone know why I would be getting this error when trying to upgrade my kernel for a dist upgrade? http://i.imgur.com/ECi4D.png |
| 02:01.09 | Tunix2 | I chose to abort because I am afarid my system will not boot if something goes amiss |
| 02:01.19 | Turl | are you using lilo? |
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| 02:01.38 | Tunix2 | Turl: Its a VPS |
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| 02:01.59 | simonlnu | just got off a disconnected server |
| 02:02.14 | Turl | Tunix2: which kind of vps? |
| 02:02.21 | simonlnu | barjavel, fyi, if you wanna know |
| 02:02.24 | Turl | Tunix2: xen, openvz or something else? |
| 02:02.42 | mparodi | I have to say I have dist-upgraded from stable to testing without installing the kernel by hand before and it works just fine |
| 02:03.45 | Tunix2 | Turl: Give me a second to find out but I am pretty sure its openvz |
| 02:05.30 | Turl | Tunix2: uname -a should be sufficient to know |
| 02:05.40 | Turl | usually openvz kernels are marked as such, same with xen |
| 02:05.52 | Tunix2 | Turl: Linux vps-1087994-7933.manage.myhosting.com 2.6.18-028stab099.3 #1 SMP Wed Mar 7 15:20:22 MSK 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:06.47 | Turl | 2.6.18-028stab099.3 is a RHEL kernel |
| 02:06.52 | Turl | so yeah, you're probably in openvz |
| 02:07.10 | Turl | Tunix2: openvz doesn't use a kernel, so you needn't worry about it |
| 02:07.24 | Turl | it will either work, or not boot |
| 02:07.39 | Tunix2 | Turl: So time to make a big backup? lol |
| 02:07.46 | Tunix2 | On top of my other backups of course.... |
| 02:07.58 | Turl | you should always do backups anyway |
| 02:07.59 | Turl | :) |
| 02:08.19 | mparodi | Turl, openvz doesn't use a kernel? |
| 02:08.28 | Turl | I once upgraded a vm (granted, it was ubuntu but still) on openvz and it broke the boot system |
| 02:08.36 | Turl | mparodi: it doesn't use your kernel |
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| 02:09.14 | Turl | mparodi: yeah my original sentence looks misleading |
| 02:09.27 | mparodi | hmn, what does it use then? |
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| 02:09.33 | Turl | everything runs on top of the host kernel |
| 02:09.40 | mparodi | ah, ok, I got what you meant |
| 02:09.42 | Turl | have you ever heard of chroots? |
| 02:09.46 | mparodi | yep |
| 02:09.52 | Turl | well openvz is similar to that |
| 02:10.10 | mparodi | good to know |
| 02:10.47 | Turl | it usually is more restricted though |
| 02:11.06 | Turl | you cannot load kernel modules for instance |
| 02:11.23 | mparodi | what about the other kinds of vps? |
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| 02:11.54 | wpc11ver3 | i run squeeze and have a linksys WPC11 ver3 pcmcia wireless card and have to upgrade its firmware in order to connect to WPA networks. I followed two tutorials and I still cannot upgrade the firmware!. The tutorials are as follows: |
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| 02:11.57 | wpc11ver3 | http://asndotone.blogspot.co.uk/2007/04/linksys-wpc11-ver3-firmware-upgrade-for.html |
| 02:12.33 | Turl | well xen is usually used for paravirtualization mparodi |
| 02:12.38 | wpc11ver3 | http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ |
| 02:12.58 | Turl | it runs its own kernel, like say virtualbox, but the kernel must be modified to use specific xen stuff |
| 02:13.18 | Tunix2 | Turl: Very odd answer from live support: http://i.imgur.com/CO1Rh.png |
| 02:13.18 | wpc11ver3 | my attempts to upgrade the firmware failed. Please, have a look at http://pastebin.com/3icqEMiS |
| 02:14.28 | Turl | Tunix2: yeah they look like outsourced low quality support people :) |
| 02:14.39 | Tunix2 | Turl: I guess I get what I pay for |
| 02:14.43 | Turl | Tunix2: and yeah given their answer they're using openvz |
| 02:14.51 | mparodi | what company is it? |
| 02:14.53 | Turl | Tunix2: they probably thought you wanted a panel |
| 02:15.02 | Tunix2 | ohh yeah you might be right |
| 02:15.19 | Tunix2 | webmin works for now when I want to tweak things here or there with a GUI |
| 02:15.32 | Tunix2 | I know hard core commandliners hate the word lol |
| 02:15.45 | Turl | I'd rather not run webmin |
| 02:16.23 | Turl | I think dpkg has something regarding it |
| 02:16.26 | Turl | dpkg: webmin |
| 02:16.26 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 02:16.49 | Turl | Tunix2: ^ |
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| 02:17.04 | Diopter | Looks like a ringing endorsement to me |
| 02:17.12 | mparodi | oh, by the way, do you know any application to configure a domain in a VPS (create the zones and so on)? I manually configured it but I'm not sure if it's correct (it works but I had to copy&past many things, I really can't explain how it works :P) |
| 02:17.33 | Tunix2 | Turl: jesus... I didnt know it was so unsafe, I just use it for cron backups |
| 02:17.49 | Tunix2 | Turl: Get this the live support guy is MIA lol |
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| 02:18.08 | mparodi | MIA? |
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| 02:21.42 | Turl | mparodi: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MIA |
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| 02:22.02 | evilaim | question |
| 02:22.13 | Turl | answer |
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| 02:22.30 | evilaim | if I wanted to mv filename.mkv filename |
| 02:22.46 | evilaim | so it would auto movie .mkv to a folder using it's file name -.mkv... |
| 02:22.55 | evilaim | or should I be asking in regex? |
| 02:23.30 | Diopter | evilaim: You can do it easily with bash/zsh patterns. mv filename{.mkv,} |
| 02:23.46 | Diopter | If you've never seen them, you should learn. Saves lots of time :) |
| 02:23.49 | Turl | you probaly can achieve that too if the directories don't exist using a complex find command |
| 02:23.59 | evilaim | should be like ls *.mkv >> blah (make a doc with all to be converted |
| 02:24.10 | evilaim | then have the .sh read that, and mv them. |
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| 02:29.07 | evilaim | Diopter: not sure what you mean |
| 02:29.11 | evilaim | I'm looking that online |
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| 02:29.47 | Diopter | evilaim: Try: echo {1..10} |
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| 02:30.09 | Diopter | evilaim: {} can generate lists, based on patterns. It can accept ranges or comma-separated values. |
| 02:30.22 | Diopter | evilaim: To specify an empty value, just include the comma before/after it. |
| 02:30.41 | Diopter | evilaim: That's what I did with your single mv command: mv filename{.mkv,} == mv filename.mkv filename |
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| 02:32.20 | evilaim | kk |
| 02:32.21 | evilaim | one sec:) |
| 02:32.38 | evilaim | ok, so that works... |
| 02:32.47 | evilaim | now if I do ls *.mkv >> list |
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| 02:33.35 | evilaim | how would I count lines? |
| 02:33.43 | evilaim | cause I'd prolly be stupid and do this in a do while loop |
| 02:33.43 | Diopter | wc -l |
| 02:33.54 | Diopter | If you want to do a bunch of files by pattern at once... |
| 02:34.27 | evilaim | ooo |
| 02:34.28 | evilaim | I see |
| 02:34.35 | Diopter | You're probably looking for the 'rename' command |
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| 02:36.10 | Diopter | On debian systems I think it's just called rename, but it allows regex |
| 02:36.26 | Diopter | Makes your life much easier than having to build complex find | xargs commands every time |
| 02:36.33 | Diopter | Or fiddle with IFS to use pure bash |
| 02:37.22 | evilaim | yea, rename looks a bit more proper:) |
| 02:37.50 | Diopter | If you can't get it to take your globbed list of files right |
| 02:38.12 | Diopter | Then you can just find /path -iname "*.mkv" -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 rename "pattern" |
| 02:38.18 | evilaim | for i in *.JPG; do mv "$i" "${i/.JPG}".jpg; done |
| 02:38.21 | evilaim | that looks about right |
| 02:38.21 | evilaim | :) |
| 02:38.35 | Diopter | Nope. Not unless your filenames have no spaces |
| 02:38.42 | evilaim | *looks* |
| 02:38.51 | evilaim | they have no spaces |
| 02:38.55 | Diopter | That's where IFS comes in, and why this sort of thing will bite you in the ass. |
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| 02:39.48 | Diopter | Alrighty. No spaces is much easier. But ${i/.JPG}.jpg isn't right o.O |
| 02:39.58 | evilaim | haha |
| 02:40.02 | evilaim | I just got it off line:) |
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| 02:41.23 | Diopter | Well. Actually.. |
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| 02:42.20 | evilaim | ? |
| 02:42.28 | Diopter | That will do what you want in this case. |
| 02:43.01 | Diopter | Just modify it a smidge to suit your files: mv $i ${i/.mkv} |
| 02:43.20 | evilaim | yea, let me test:) |
| 02:43.45 | evilaim | for i in *.mkv; do mv "$i" "${i/.mkv}"; done |
| 02:43.46 | evilaim | like that? |
| 02:44.01 | evilaim | but I think all it will do is move all my .mkv files to files without extentions... |
| 02:44.07 | evilaim | instead of into folders. |
| 02:44.23 | Diopter | You want them into folders? :P |
| 02:44.28 | Diopter | That's another thing entirely. lol |
| 02:44.38 | evilaim | shouldn't I need to do a mkdir "$i";mv $1 "$1/.mkv}" |
| 02:44.39 | evilaim | ? |
| 02:44.55 | Diopter | Folders named what? filename -.mkv? |
| 02:45.14 | evilaim | I want to move say... nibbles.mkv automatically into a folder named nibbles |
| 02:45.33 | evilaim | so it'sll be nibbles/nibbles.mkv |
| 02:45.41 | Diopter | Ah |
| 02:45.55 | karlpinc | for i in *.mkv ; do mkdir $(basename $i); mv $i $(basename $i); done |
| 02:46.19 | Diopter | karlpinc: Yes, could use basename now that they're working out of a single directory and using filenames without spaces. |
| 02:46.28 | Diopter | But I was originally solving for the more general case. |
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| 02:46.41 | Diopter | You could also still use the bash replacements. |
| 02:46.48 | karlpinc | Diopter: basename will work anyway, but you'd need to wrap in "". |
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| 02:47.02 | Diopter | for i in *.mkv; do mkdir ${i/.mkv}; mv $i ${i/.mkv}; done |
| 02:47.48 | karlpinc | Diopter: I tend to avoid bashims just to keep my brain portable. |
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| 02:48.14 | evilaim | ok |
| 02:48.16 | evilaim | now I get... |
| 02:48.34 | Diopter | karlpinc: Bash 4 has some fun new ones :P |
| 02:48.39 | Diopter | Like ${i,,} = lowercase |
| 02:48.45 | Diopter | Bash is turning into Perl |
| 02:48.46 | evilaim | says 'can't create file, already exists... |
| 02:48.48 | evilaim | on both of those |
| 02:48.58 | karlpinc | Diopter: I tend to !#/bin/sh |
| 02:49.50 | evilaim | hold on |
| 02:49.51 | evilaim | it worked |
| 02:49.51 | evilaim | haha |
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| 02:53.28 | evilaim | thanks for the help guys:) |
| 02:53.35 | karlpinc | !next |
| 02:53.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 02:53.38 | evilaim | !#/bin/sh |
| 02:53.38 | evilaim | cd ~/files/ |
| 02:53.38 | evilaim | for i in *.mkv ; do mkdir $(basename $i); mv $i $(basename $i); done |
| 02:53.41 | evilaim | find ^ |
| 02:53.44 | evilaim | final^ |
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| 03:16.50 | mick_laptop | anyone have an iphone and can get debian to read sync w/ it? |
| 03:17.08 | mick_laptop | I'm having a bitch of a time |
| 03:17.17 | mick_laptop | I can mount the fs |
| 03:17.32 | mick_laptop | but banshee doesn't see it |
| 03:18.59 | mick_laptop | mount doesn't see it, yet it is mounted |
| 03:19.05 | mick_laptop | wtf :( |
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| 03:32.13 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; does kwikdisk see it? |
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| 03:33.10 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; or konqueror? |
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| 04:10.14 | daskreech | Hello |
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| 04:12.42 | daskreech | Does it make much sense to have a software RAID 0 ? |
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| 04:18.09 | rudi_s | daskreech: If you want a bigger "disk", then maybe yes. If you have redundancy, definitely no. |
| 04:18.16 | rudi_s | s/have/want/ |
| 04:18.51 | Diopter | RAID0 also increases speed. |
| 04:18.51 | daskreech | rudi_s: Ah |
| 04:18.54 | Diopter | And failure rate :P |
| 04:19.08 | Diopter | But if you don't care about that, it's a fairly simple way to aggregate disk speeds. |
| 04:19.09 | rudi_s | Good point (both) ;-) |
| 04:19.45 | daskreech | Ah Right i meant RAID 1 |
| 04:20.15 | daskreech | if one disk fails what would be the recovery option ? |
| 04:20.50 | Diopter | For RAID1? To re-mirror from the good disk. |
| 04:21.07 | rudi_s | daskreech: Put another disk in and pray (if you don't have backups) the first disk doesn't die during the resync. |
| 04:21.13 | Diopter | nods |
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| 04:21.30 | Diopter | Probably want to pick a pair of disks that Aren't from the same lot/production run. Maybe not even the same model or brand :P |
| 04:21.41 | Diopter | So you have a good chance they don't share some defect -- or perfect. |
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| 04:21.53 | Diopter | Awesome disks still die, and you just don't want them to die at the same time |
| 04:21.59 | Diopter | That Really sucks, trust me D: |
| 04:22.00 | daskreech | Yeah |
| 04:22.12 | daskreech | Diopter: You had that happen? |
| 04:22.21 | daskreech | Day 0 bug? |
| 04:22.59 | Diopter | Well, I work for a hosting company. When you have 200k servers across the company, pretty much no matter what you work on, hardware failures are every day. |
| 04:23.09 | rudi_s | daskreech: And remember, a RAID isn't a backup, always make backups. |
| 04:23.29 | daskreech | rudi_s: yes I think they just want a faster way to recover |
| 04:23.59 | daskreech | though they have two servers which have the services virtualized and a H-A Cluster |
| 04:24.06 | rudi_s | Sure, for that RAIDs are good. Just don't count on it. |
| 04:24.52 | daskreech | but the servers are slated for a RAID-1 setup and I'm trying to figure out if it may make more sense to have the second disk just be a backup |
| 04:24.58 | Diopter | RAIDs are for per-server redundancy. |
| 04:25.03 | Diopter | Which is not a backup, by definition. |
| 04:25.14 | daskreech | I understand :) |
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| 04:28.06 | Diopter | Really, if you have a second disk on the box... |
| 04:28.14 | Diopter | And your option is RAID or backup to the second disk |
| 04:28.21 | Diopter | You should probably be doing RAID1 |
| 04:28.38 | Diopter | Since it Is a backup, in that sense, and happens at a very low-level |
| 04:29.03 | Diopter | Since the secondary disk is in the same machine, it can't be considered a disaster-recovery (DR) backup |
| 04:29.10 | Diopter | So might as well RAID it |
| 04:29.13 | daskreech | That's what I thought at first but I as trying to work out how they would recover a software RAID failure |
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| 04:30.31 | daskreech | they are not very Linux saavy |
| 04:31.05 | Diopter | You just add the new drive (when you replace it) to the array with mdadm |
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| 04:31.48 | Diopter | You can have as much nuance as you want, but the basic approach is to let md rebuild the RAID from the existing drives when you add a new one. |
| 04:32.01 | Diopter | Mirroring couldn't be simpler. Copy all existing data :P |
| 04:34.40 | daskreech | :-) |
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| 04:36.09 | foxtrot9 | should you let mdadm do the rebuilding when running off a Raid 1? or should you just sfdisk? |
| 04:36.46 | foxtrot9 | i'm use to using raid 5, so never had to do anything but add a drive to the array and let mdadm do the rest |
| 04:37.14 | Diopter | R1 is even easier to rebuild than R5, as far as md's job is concerned |
| 04:37.21 | Diopter | No parity or striping |
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| 05:00.23 | Funkadelic | does ssh have an option to keep trying to connect for a specified amount of time, or indefinitely? I've added a command to tunnel a port to /etc/rc.local, but I think it runs before the network goes up |
| 05:01.04 | mick_laptop | boudiccas: ya, nautilus does |
| 05:01.12 | Funkadelic | I mean I've added a command to /etc/rc.local, and that command is ssh -ND 1234 user@host |
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| 05:02.52 | Diopter | Funkadelic: You could technically add it to /etc/inittab :P |
| 05:04.27 | Funkadelic | what's the difference? |
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| 05:05.42 | Diopter | inittab is a config file for init, that can keep dispatching events, like re-running a process |
| 05:05.44 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; so its being mounted and nautilus see's it. so whats the problem? |
| 05:05.48 | Diopter | rc.local is run once on startup |
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| 05:06.03 | Diopter | But putting something like this in inittab is probably bad form :P |
| 05:06.25 | Funkadelic | What's good form for this situation then? |
| 05:07.05 | Diopter | Funkadelic: I'd write a script that waits for the network to be up and keeps retrying until it succeeds |
| 05:07.14 | Diopter | Then call that from /etc/rc.local, backgrounded |
| 05:08.30 | Funkadelic | what's a good way to check if the network is up? |
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| 05:09.31 | boudiccas | Funkadelic; visually or programmitacly? |
| 05:09.32 | Diopter | Well, you could attempt to connect to some known location, with a short timeout, and check the exit status |
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| 05:09.54 | Funkadelic | programmatically |
| 05:10.04 | Funkadelic | if i'm writing a script |
| 05:10.21 | Funkadelic | oh that's a good idea |
| 05:11.08 | Funkadelic | I coud even just check the host I'm tunnelling through |
| 05:11.17 | Diopter | Yep |
| 05:11.37 | Diopter | netcat is handy for that. |
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| 05:22.53 | Funkadelic | where should I put my script? I'm trying to stay organized, not putting random files all over the place |
| 05:23.14 | Funkadelic | it's for the network checker and tunnel creatr |
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| 05:24.50 | Funkadelic | probably /usr/local/bin... is that appropriate? |
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| 05:27.04 | Diopter | Funkadelic: Sure |
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| 05:31.11 | dsdeiz | hi! after modifying .fonts.conf is it really required to restart x? |
| 05:33.28 | aniline | dsdeiz: I'm guessing running fc-cache would be enough. |
| 05:34.55 | dsdeiz | oh cool. thx! |
| 05:37.27 | mick_laptop | boudiccas: "mount" doesn't see it for one, and none of the applications (like banshee or gtkpod) can actually see it |
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| 05:39.38 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; does kwokdosk see it? |
| 05:39.48 | boudiccas | kwikdisc |
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| 05:40.43 | mick_laptop | boudiccas: let me check |
| 05:40.43 | User742 | hi? |
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| 05:41.49 | mick_laptop | boudiccas: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kwikdisc" |
| 05:42.12 | mick_laptop | also apt-file didn't find it either |
| 05:42.19 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; its part of kde |
| 05:42.49 | mick_laptop | Need to get 513 MB/513 MB of archives. After unpacking 1,131 MB will be used |
| 05:42.59 | mick_laptop | please tell me there is another way ;) |
| 05:43.37 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; not that i know of |
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| 05:43.45 | lcc | just switched from ubuntu to debian. |
| 05:43.54 | lcc | wheezy |
| 05:43.56 | lcc | I like it. |
| 05:44.00 | Funkadelic | *slow clap* :D |
| 05:44.05 | mick_laptop | lol |
| 05:44.10 | lcc | :) |
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| 05:45.00 | boudiccas | mick |
| 05:45.03 | mick_laptop | yo |
| 05:45.13 | boudiccas | mick_laptop; gparted/parted? |
| 05:46.15 | mick_laptop | sure |
| 05:46.27 | mick_laptop | not shown |
| 05:46.38 | boudiccas | bums! |
| 05:46.53 | boudiccas | fresh out of ideas then, sorry |
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| 05:47.05 | mick_laptop | oops |
| 05:47.22 | mick_laptop | switched /dev/ it is there :) |
| 05:47.41 | mick_laptop | got a mountpoint :D |
| 05:47.48 | boudiccas | good |
| 05:47.52 | mick_laptop | I can try something now |
| 05:48.35 | mick_laptop | fuck |
| 05:48.42 | mick_laptop | it picked up something else |
| 05:48.49 | mick_laptop | namely an android device |
| 05:48.56 | mick_laptop | I have both plugged in |
| 05:48.59 | mick_laptop | *sigh* |
| 05:49.10 | mick_laptop | (*click* umount *click* |
| 05:49.19 | boudiccas | unplig your android then |
| 05:49.33 | boudiccas | unplug |
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| 05:50.50 | mick_laptop | thing that annoys me is that vlc tries to "play" the iphone |
| 05:50.54 | mick_laptop | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'afc:// |
| 05:50.56 | mick_laptop | .... |
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| 05:51.54 | mick_laptop | ok, gparted only sees my hdd now |
| 05:52.11 | mick_laptop | i hit "refresh devices" nada |
| 05:53.07 | mick_laptop | boudiccas: could it be fuse? |
| 05:53.10 | mick_laptop | ii libfuse2 2.8.4-1.1 |
| 05:53.22 | mick_laptop | fuse might do something weird w/ it |
| 05:54.02 | boudiccas | no idea |
| 05:54.13 | lcc | is debian hurd supposed to be released next debian release? |
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| 05:56.01 | mick_laptop | boudiccas: guess not since this returns nothing: mount | grep encfs |
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| 05:56.46 | mick_laptop | wait a minute... fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) |
| 05:58.53 | mick_laptop | i hit "refresh devices" nadaparted |
| 05:58.53 | Funkadelic | How could make ssh use a specified private key for one connection? |
| 05:59.03 | mick_laptop | -i |
| 05:59.20 | sheep | yeah, -i |
| 05:59.26 | mick_laptop | ssh -i someother.key foo@bar |
| 05:59.34 | Funkadelic | Oh sweet thanks |
| 05:59.50 | mick_laptop | np, now help me w/ my problem :P |
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| 06:00.47 | mick_laptop | damned it, scared him off :) |
| 06:02.15 | lcc | lcc: yup |
| 06:02.49 | Funkadelic | what's your problem? I'm kind of a noob :) |
| 06:03.18 | lcc | hurd is trying to release by wheezy |
| 06:03.41 | mick_laptop | I can't get my iphone to get recognized by anything but nautilus |
| 06:04.14 | Funkadelic | that's weird, then it must be recognized by the kernel |
| 06:04.22 | Funkadelic | if it's recognized by nautilus |
| 06:05.06 | mick_laptop | ipheth 1-2:4.2: Apple iPhone USB Ethernet device attached |
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| 06:05.11 | mick_laptop | ya, it sees it ^^^ |
| 06:06.21 | mick_laptop | when I try to setup the repo in gtkpod it says: Cannot change to folder because it is not local |
| 06:07.04 | mick_laptop | and vlc does something to it (from what I'm seeing) |
| 06:07.09 | mick_laptop | DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered |
| 06:08.34 | Funkadelic | Is there a way to make ssh use a specific known hosts file too? |
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| 06:11.11 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: mv the other one |
| 06:12.23 | Funkadelic | I don't know what user is going to be using this script though |
| 06:12.53 | Funkadelic | for now, the script is going to be run from rc.local |
| 06:13.03 | Funkadelic | would I use root then? |
| 06:13.26 | Funkadelic | woudl I move the known hosts file to the root account .ssh folder? |
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| 06:16.48 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: whatever will be ssh'ing |
| 06:17.11 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: just merge all known_hosts files then |
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| 06:18.47 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: cat known_hosts1 known_hosts2 | uniq >> known_hosts |
| 06:19.19 | Funkadelic | oh, that's a nifty command, thanks! |
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| 06:19.58 | mick_laptop | cat just spits things to the screen and uniq will print the unique entries, ">>" just means append it to a file |
| 06:20.51 | mick_laptop | it is better to remember what each command does instead of trying to remember combinations of commands to do a particular task ;) |
| 06:22.02 | Funkadelic | yeah, I always like to learn what they do. I hate when people just say do this this and this. You might as well just give me a script to run :P |
| 06:22.16 | Funkadelic | I was just seeing uniq's man page |
| 06:22.46 | mick_laptop | might as well give you a manpage and a google instead |
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| 06:23.25 | Funkadelic | lol yeah |
| 06:23.34 | mick_laptop | I remember back in highschool (in the 90's) I had a roommate who told me "fuck you, look it up in apropos + the man page" |
| 06:23.40 | mick_laptop | best advice ever |
| 06:24.09 | mick_laptop | not the best way to put it, but I never asked him anything again |
| 06:24.13 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 06:24.22 | mick_laptop | and I'm all the wiser for it |
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| 06:25.31 | mick_laptop | brb, I hope that logging out will help me a bit |
| 06:27.02 | Funkadelic | lol the man page generally assumes you know what you're doing to some degree |
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| 06:28.14 | Funkadelic | Here's my script. The internet is up right now (of course) but it's not connecting. Instead it gives me an error. I'm really new to this... http://pastebin.com/dbJ674EZ |
| 06:28.15 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: and apropos for when you don't |
| 06:28.36 | mick_laptop | I'll put my stuff a side to look at it |
| 06:28.39 | mick_laptop | one sec |
| 06:28.51 | Funkadelic | but what if you don't know what apropos is? |
| 06:29.06 | Funkadelic | has no idea what apropos is |
| 06:29.09 | Vasistha | Funkadelic: you missed 'fi' |
| 06:29.21 | Funkadelic | haha I'm a dumbass |
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| 06:29.38 | Vasistha | Funkadelic: also you are doing all kinds of sloppy bash scripty things. also indentation is a good thing. |
| 06:29.40 | Lint | How to split a text line into words? |
| 06:29.41 | mick_laptop | missing fi |
| 06:30.05 | mick_laptop | also, you probably are looking for something else |
| 06:30.08 | Vasistha | Lint: where is the line? is it in a file? is it in a variable? are you using a programming language? bash? |
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| 06:30.38 | mick_laptop | Lint: do you want a specific line? |
| 06:30.48 | Vasistha | Funkadelic: yeah come to think of it, I think perhaps your logic may be a bit off |
| 06:30.51 | mick_laptop | Lint: like a column?? |
| 06:30.53 | Lint | if I'm asking in debian channel, it hints to using linux tools |
| 06:31.13 | Lint | mick_laptop, no, just any line into word list on separate lines |
| 06:31.14 | Funkadelic | I've never really written anything more than like 10 lines before haha |
| 06:31.20 | mick_laptop | Lint: /facepalm, he asked if you wanted to use a specific programming language |
| 06:31.31 | Vasistha | Lint: ah so you are usinga openshot video editor and you want to split someone's vocal line? |
| 06:31.46 | Vasistha | Lint: that is a linux tool. please specify what tools you are using, what type of file, etc. |
| 06:32.08 | Lint | simple text file, utils from debian in reasonable amounts |
| 06:32.26 | Lint | i.e. no java/python/other heresies |
| 06:32.27 | Vasistha | you have a simple text file. Does it have multiple lines? Do you want to do this with every line? |
| 06:33.25 | Vasistha | Lint: actually what you should REALLY do is pastebin the file, and tell us what you REALLY want to do |
| 06:33.35 | mick_laptop | couldn't agree more |
| 06:33.44 | Lint | text files tends to have multiple lines; I need each line separated by a certain symbol, and list the parts separated by newlines |
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| 06:34.10 | Vasistha | Lint: and then what do you want to do with that? do you want to put it in a new file? |
| 06:34.21 | mick_laptop | sed to replace the character w/ \n |
| 06:34.37 | Lint | other file, stdout, doesn't matter |
| 06:34.55 | Vasistha | yeah sed's probably your tool |
| 06:35.20 | mick_laptop | sed -e 's/\$/\n/g' yourfile.txt (if the special char was a $) |
| 06:35.52 | mick_laptop | Lint: ^^^ |
| 06:38.23 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: now back to what you were doing, your logic looks flawed |
| 06:39.18 | Funkadelic | http://pastebin.com/iWqZUGdn is that better? |
| 06:39.24 | Funkadelic | less sloppy I mean, mick_laptop? |
| 06:39.28 | Vasistha | Funkadelic: anyway here is how I would recommend rewriting your script: http://pastebin.com/CYFrQZBW |
| 06:40.27 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: man NetworkManager |
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| 06:41.30 | Vasistha | mick_laptop: although I do have to note that pinging the host that he's going to try to tunnel to is not actually a bad test to do |
| 06:42.31 | mick_laptop | because ICMP is never filtered </sarcasm> :P |
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| 06:43.45 | mick_laptop | if you want to go that route, I'd suggest using netcat to check the port |
| 06:44.02 | mick_laptop | since a machine can be up and ssh can be down |
| 06:44.31 | mick_laptop | though, I'd like to know why he is using an ssh tunnel (sometimes this is the right way, often it isn't) |
| 06:44.59 | Funkadelic | That's a waaay cleaner solution to what I'm trying to do |
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| 06:45.10 | Funkadelic | NetworkManager is |
| 06:45.48 | mick_laptop | that is why it is best to describe the actual problem and not the symptoms |
| 06:45.54 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 06:46.36 | mick_laptop | a friend of mine once tunneled an IMAP connection, when his client supported TLS /facepalm |
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| 06:47.08 | mick_laptop | client+server rather |
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| 06:47.38 | Lint | where should I complain about gay sorting order of 'sort' command, in debian? |
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| 06:48.20 | mick_laptop | Lint: you will get nowhere with that attitude |
| 06:48.38 | Lint | what attitude? |
| 06:48.39 | mick_laptop | Lint: be wary that many people here, including ops are gay |
| 06:49.03 | mick_laptop | a homophobic attitude |
| 06:50.01 | Funkadelic | I myself prefer a more bisexual sorting order |
| 06:50.10 | mick_laptop | lol |
| 06:50.11 | Funkadelic | twice the fun |
| 06:50.38 | mick_laptop | how uniq :) |
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| 06:53.20 | Funkadelic | is nc the same thing as netcat? |
| 06:53.27 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 06:53.52 | Funkadelic | It takes forever for me |
| 06:53.54 | Funkadelic | using netcat |
| 06:54.05 | mick_laptop | what are you doing? |
| 06:54.09 | Lint | i said nothing gomophobic |
| 06:54.26 | Lint | now about the topic maybe? |
| 06:55.01 | Funkadelic | I'm just doing nc host port |
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| 06:57.39 | Funkadelic | I think the politically correct term is "faggy". So you could say "where should I complain about faggy sorting order of 'sort command'" According to South Park, gays aren't fags. Bikers are fags. |
| 06:57.56 | Funkadelic | And we all know South Park is correct about everything |
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| 06:58.37 | mick_home | .win 1 |
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| 06:59.33 | mick_home | well I'm a freakin genious, I was messing w/ my ssh connection (w/ nc - to see if I could reproduce your issue Funkadelic) - I triggered my ids |
| 06:59.42 | mick_home | locked myself out :) |
| 06:59.55 | Funkadelic | your ids? |
| 07:00.03 | mick_home | intrusion detection system |
| 07:00.07 | Funkadelic | ooh haha |
| 07:00.17 | mick_home | I firewalled myself out of my server |
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| 07:00.33 | Funkadelic | that sucks |
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| 07:00.56 | mick_home | so uh ya, nc -vv yourhost 22 | grep open |
| 07:01.17 | mick_home | and if that doesn't return w/ anything then you know it is down :) |
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| 07:01.55 | Funkadelic | netcat takes a really long time to do anything |
| 07:02.00 | Funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.02 | mick_home | Funkadelic: eh, not a problem I'm messing w/ other stuff now anyhow |
| 07:02.12 | Funkadelic | $ time nc google.com 80 |
| 07:02.12 | Funkadelic | real4m0.094s |
| 07:02.12 | Funkadelic | user0m0.001s |
| 07:02.12 | Funkadelic | sys0m0.000s |
| 07:02.12 | mick_home | weird, returned immediately for me |
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| 07:02.34 | Funkadelic | oops |
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| 07:02.38 | Funkadelic | did you see that though? |
| 07:02.50 | Funkadelic | that's all it gives me |
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| 07:03.00 | Funkadelic | well, it gives me nothing |
| 07:03.08 | mick_home | real 0m0.581s |
| 07:03.08 | mick_home | user 0m0.000s |
| 07:03.09 | mick_home | sys 0m0.008s |
| 07:03.12 | Funkadelic | yeah |
| 07:03.20 | Funkadelic | that's the time it took |
| 07:03.24 | Funkadelic | o.o |
| 07:03.25 | mick_home | $ time nc -vv google.com 80 |
| 07:03.27 | Lint | where should I complain about sorting order of 'sort' command, in debian? |
| 07:03.43 | mick_home | there is nothing wrong w/ the sorting order |
| 07:03.52 | mick_home | give us an example please |
| 07:03.53 | Funkadelic | ooh, verbosity |
| 07:04.00 | mick_home | and tell me that you've read the manpage |
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| 07:04.11 | TheSarge | Hello |
| 07:04.16 | TheSarge | Anyone awake? |
| 07:04.19 | mick_home | Funkadelic: ya, otherwise you just sit there w/ an open connection ;) |
| 07:04.28 | mick_home | TheSarge: nobody |
| 07:04.36 | TheSarge | :) |
| 07:04.39 | mick_home | TheSarge: now go back to sleep :) |
| 07:04.49 | Lint | it mixes different letters dogether |
| 07:04.53 | mick_home | Lint: a pastebin might be helpful |
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| 07:05.05 | TheSarge | I have a shell running debian.. I need to access the GUI remotely.. is VNC the easiest/fastest way? |
| 07:05.09 | Funkadelic | How do I make netcat close the connection after it gives me that? |
| 07:05.23 | mick_home | TheSarge: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 07:05.42 | TheSarge | mick_home, I need a GUI lol |
| 07:05.53 | TheSarge | I can access remotely |
| 07:05.58 | Lint | for example, x and h are mixed together |
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| 07:06.07 | Lint | e and other e mixed also |
| 07:06.24 | Funkadelic | That's what I use if I need a gui, VNC. Usually I just ssh into it though. |
| 07:06.58 | TheSarge | Funkadelic, I ran vncserver but my client doesnt wanna connect :( |
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| 07:07.19 | Funkadelic | what server and client are you using? |
| 07:07.33 | TheSarge | tightvncserver |
| 07:07.49 | TheSarge | and just regular old VNCviewer free edition for windows |
| 07:07.50 | Funkadelic | see if you can connect to localhost on that server |
| 07:08.10 | Funkadelic | that way you know if it's working at all |
| 07:08.12 | TheSarge | Funkadelic, Connect to localhost with what? |
| 07:08.21 | Funkadelic | with a client on the vnc server |
| 07:08.33 | TheSarge | How? Its just a shell |
| 07:08.46 | Funkadelic | oh |
| 07:09.05 | TheSarge | I am SSH'd into a VM on some server I pay for |
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| 07:09.32 | Funkadelic | Oh, I got it. I've never personally set up a vnc server on a remote server |
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| 07:10.09 | TheSarge | Funkadelic, should be the same lol |
| 07:10.23 | TheSarge | Just have to do everything via the shell |
| 07:10.27 | Rydekull | TheSarge: why do you need a GUI? What are you trying to do? |
| 07:10.27 | TheSarge | Anyone else? |
| 07:10.46 | TheSarge | Rydekull, Why does that matter? I just want a GUI.. |
| 07:10.51 | mick_home | Funkadelic: nc -z -vv google.com 80 |
| 07:10.52 | Rydekull | It matters |
| 07:10.59 | TheSarge | There is no reason |
| 07:11.00 | Funkadelic | There are a bunch of things that require a gui, don't be geeks about it guise. :P |
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| 07:11.24 | TheSarge | Anyways... |
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| 07:11.32 | mick_home | usually when someone "needs a gui" they aren't qualified to connect to the server |
| 07:11.38 | Rydekull | TheSarge: install xming on your windows machine, open putty, enable x11 forwarding, make sure that your sshd_config allows X11forwarding, and see to it that you have xauth installed |
| 07:11.46 | mick_home | Funkadelic: you just need the -z |
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| 07:11.54 | Rydekull | TheSarge: then just start firefox from your ssh session and it will work fine |
| 07:12.01 | Funkadelic | woah yes! that works great |
| 07:12.03 | mick_home | Rydekull: x forwarding can be dog slow |
| 07:12.24 | mick_home | then again, it depends on what you are doing :P |
| 07:12.26 | TheSarge | Rydekull, I need a full gnome desktop |
| 07:12.30 | Rydekull | mick_home: he didnt tell the reason, what he needs to do, that is one way to do it, for several cases |
| 07:12.35 | mick_home | firefox over x11 fwding, forget it |
| 07:12.35 | TheSarge | I want VNC |
| 07:12.37 | Rydekull | TheSarge: see, now you're getting somewhere |
| 07:12.47 | TheSarge | I already said I wanted VNC |
| 07:12.51 | TheSarge | not SSH Tunnelling |
| 07:12.52 | Rydekull | TheSarge: Have you install gnome desktop and VNC? then? |
| 07:12.59 | TheSarge | Yes, I said this... |
| 07:13.03 | phix | hey gang! |
| 07:13.05 | mick_home | install tightvnc |
| 07:13.09 | TheSarge | I did |
| 07:13.10 | Rydekull | TheSarge: you want SSH tunneling, VNC is insecure, you want to tunnel it through ssh |
| 07:13.14 | Funkadelic | Hm... I think he might want VNC guys... |
| 07:13.15 | TheSarge | I covered all of this |
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| 07:13.38 | TheSarge | I don't care, I am not working on secret missions |
| 07:13.45 | TheSarge | Speed over Security here |
| 07:13.47 | phix | Rydekull: By default it is, but youcan use security modules (with tight and ultra VNC) |
| 07:14.03 | phix | Rydekull: like blowfish, aes, and a few others I think |
| 07:14.05 | mick_home | didn't think it mattered to him by what he was saying |
| 07:14.29 | TheSarge | Ya, security is not important, could be unencrypted for all I care |
| 07:14.46 | TheSarge | So I have the Server running on Display 1 |
| 07:14.55 | mick_home | TheSarge: http://www.zimbio.com/Linux/articles/lA4qecuC6Lc/How+install+setup+TightVNC+Debian+Ubuntu+Tutorial |
| 07:15.01 | TheSarge | I put in the IP into my viewer and It won't let me connect |
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| 07:15.20 | mick_home | do you have a firewall blocking the port? is the server running? |
| 07:15.23 | Rydekull | doing such a solution is just plain stupidity over the internet, and nothing I will aid with |
| 07:15.59 | Funkadelic | speaking of speed vs security how do sftp and ftp compare with speed? I read one test that said there was a 500% difference, but most of the time I don't see any difference |
| 07:16.19 | mick_home | Funkadelic: most people can't benchmark for shit |
| 07:16.44 | Funkadelic | How would someone accurately benchmark then? |
| 07:16.55 | mick_home | I did comparisons for different ciphers for ssh a few years ago and blowfish was the fastest |
| 07:17.06 | TheSarge | Rydekull, Why? Security isnt always important.. |
| 07:17.08 | mick_home | by using the same machine for one |
| 07:17.27 | TheSarge | mick_home, Of course it is running, no firewall |
| 07:17.39 | Funkadelic | The more you learn about security, the more important it becomes. That's how it is for me anyway |
| 07:17.46 | mick_home | you say "of course" but you wouldn't believe |
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| 07:18.44 | mick_home | TheSarge: most people who believe that are PHBs that tell you "so what that the ssn is saved and going over in clear text" |
| 07:18.51 | TheSarge | mick I just needed to specify the display with :1 haha |
| 07:19.04 | TheSarge | Thx for the help |
| 07:19.09 | mick_home | yeah, you need to specify the display |
| 07:21.15 | TheSarge | Rydekull, I can use SSH tunnelling for a whole Desktop env? |
| 07:22.33 | mick_home | TheSarge: you can tunnel a vnc connection |
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| 07:22.50 | phix | mick_home: you can tunnel any connection :) |
| 07:23.12 | mick_home | TheSarge: use -c blowfish as it is the fastest and you might want to play w/ -C to enable compression (depending on your scenario) |
| 07:23.26 | mick_home | phix: not a VGA connection |
| 07:23.37 | mick_home | I just had to ;) |
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| 07:24.02 | phix | mick_home: :D yeah I mean on the TCP/UDP stack :P |
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| 07:25.53 | mick_home | phix: even that I'm not sure of, since you can come up w/ some crazy scenario where it might not work |
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| 07:26.50 | mick_home | phix: like dhcp over ssh |
| 07:27.04 | mick_home | s/crazy/plain stupid/ |
| 07:27.11 | mick_home | :) |
| 07:27.46 | Funkadelic | where can I find a list of "if" arguments? |
| 07:27.50 | mick_home | though, you can do everything from icmp to udp... so who knows :) |
| 07:27.51 | phix | mick_home: sure can |
| 07:27.51 | Funkadelic | well, idk if they're arguments |
| 07:28.13 | Funkadelic | like if [ -z $? ] |
| 07:28.19 | phix | mick_home: of corse you would need to setup a tun/tap device too :P |
| 07:28.28 | Funkadelic | or if [ $1 -eq $2 ] |
| 07:28.30 | phix | to bridge it |
| 07:28.39 | TheSarge | mick_home, -c blowfish? |
| 07:28.41 | Funkadelic | the option after the dash, whatever that's called |
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| 07:29.13 | mick_home | Funkadelic: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_02.html and check ABS (also on TLDP) |
| 07:29.31 | mick_home | TheSarge: that is how you specifu the cipher. man ssh |
| 07:30.13 | mick_home | phix: ya, like I said - might be something else... ummm like IPX :D |
| 07:30.35 | mick_home | you'll jump in and prove me wrong w/ some way to do it ;) |
| 07:30.44 | mick_home | ooh, how about slip/plip? |
| 07:31.04 | mick_home | I really want to see if slip still works |
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| 07:32.19 | phix | mick_home: IPX is routable |
| 07:32.22 | mick_home | brb, rebooting |
| 07:32.25 | mick_home | and horrible |
| 07:32.28 | mick_home | :) |
| 07:32.47 | phix | :P |
| 07:32.59 | TheSarge | Eh its really slow |
| 07:33.08 | phix | IPX/SPX, netware / novel, oh yeah, those were the days :P |
| 07:33.12 | TheSarge | I dont think this shell has enough to run a Desktop |
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| 07:34.10 | TheSarge | How do you remove a package again apt-get remove package? |
| 07:35.05 | Funkadelic | yeah, or apt-get purge package to also remove the config packages |
| 07:35.10 | Funkadelic | I mean the configuration files |
| 07:35.30 | TheSarge | it said 64kb will be freed |
| 07:35.39 | TheSarge | I thin it will be more than that |
| 07:36.28 | Tunix2 | Okay so I am n Lenny and I am in the middle of upgrading to Squeeze so i started by adding the squeeze repos to my sources.list and doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and now that the upgrade is pretty much complete I am being asked to type /y or /n to every plugins config files' |
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| 07:36.56 | Tunix2 | Is this normal during a distro upgrade? |
| 07:37.17 | TheSarge | is 6.0 latest stable? |
| 07:37.21 | mick_laptop | back |
| 07:37.25 | Tunix2 | I think so |
| 07:37.31 | Tunix2 | I am pretty sure 7 is "testing" |
| 07:38.00 | lcc | TheSarge: 6.0.4 is the latest stable. |
| 07:38.23 | mick_laptop | Tunix2: I used aptituse dist-upgrade |
| 07:38.27 | mick_laptop | aptitude* |
| 07:39.00 | Tunix2 | mick_laptop: Im on a crazy VPS and im following this: http://myhosting.com/forums/virtual-server/3436-upgrading-debian-squeeze.html |
| 07:39.15 | mick_laptop | TheSarge: why do you feel like you need a GUI? this sounds like a server |
| 07:39.21 | mick_laptop | and servers should never run X |
| 07:39.48 | TheSarge | mick_laptop, just messing around |
| 07:39.59 | TheSarge | Have no use for this shell so just playing with it |
| 07:40.09 | TheSarge | its only 10 bucks a month so I wanna keep it |
| 07:40.58 | TheSarge | I get 2 3.5ghz cores with 50% priority 1GB Ram 500GB 5TB bandwidth |
| 07:41.06 | TheSarge | I know I can use it for something |
| 07:41.20 | TheSarge | Was gunna use a debian LAMP template |
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| 07:41.36 | TheSarge | Practice my SQL |
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| 07:42.13 | TheSarge | Maybe it is enough for an ircd on freenode |
| 07:42.22 | TheSarge | Says they need Pacific servers |
| 07:42.38 | TheSarge | Only can have 800 connections though |
| 07:43.01 | Tunix2 | Okay apparently I have to sit here and answer Y/N to over 300 newly installed packages |
| 07:43.09 | mick_laptop | TheSarge: no it isn't |
| 07:43.19 | TheSarge | Why not? |
| 07:44.40 | mick_laptop | http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml |
| 07:44.44 | mick_laptop | that is why |
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| 07:47.09 | TheSarge | mick_laptop, What are you seeing there that I do not meet? |
| 07:47.17 | Tunix2 | I think I have a situation. If you apt-get install upgrade using the repo that is at the version above yours you intend to upgrade to, do you risk big issues? |
| 07:47.28 | TheSarge | whats the build package called in debian? |
| 07:47.35 | Tunix2 | apt-get upgrade* didnt mean to add install |
| 07:47.41 | mick_laptop | build-essential? |
| 07:47.52 | mick_laptop | TheSarge: is it 64bit? |
| 07:48.00 | TheSarge | Yes |
| 07:48.11 | mick_laptop | I read 1.5 RAM required, but I see desired (my bad) |
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| 07:48.57 | TheSarge | So I can use it for that :) |
| 07:49.40 | mick_laptop | oh yeah it also says: "dedicated server" |
| 07:49.51 | mick_laptop | yours is a vps |
| 07:49.59 | mick_laptop | not a dedicated server ;) |
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| 07:51.03 | TheSarge | Its a dedicated VM, they would never know ;P |
| 07:51.20 | mick_laptop | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedicated_hosting_service as opposed to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 07:51.41 | TheSarge | I know the difference lol |
| 07:51.45 | TheSarge | how would they |
| 07:51.51 | mick_laptop | uname -a |
| 07:51.53 | mick_laptop | for one |
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| 07:52.30 | mick_laptop | this depends on the type of vps of course |
| 07:52.36 | TheSarge | Its a vm |
| 07:52.40 | mick_laptop | since xen would give it away |
| 07:52.49 | TheSarge | would be the exact same output as a dedicated server |
| 07:52.50 | mick_laptop | there is more than one type of vps |
| 07:53.17 | mick_laptop | not at all if they use xen |
| 07:53.23 | TheSarge | I forgot howto use screen |
| 07:54.19 | TheSarge | Linux SargeBox 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 19 01:16:47 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:54.24 | TheSarge | Oh I see |
| 07:55.06 | TheSarge | I will use it to learn to develop in Linux I guess |
| 07:55.16 | TheSarge | Java |
| 07:55.49 | mick_laptop | why on earth would you.... nevermind |
| 07:56.02 | TheSarge | What? |
| 07:56.06 | TheSarge | C++ better? |
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| 07:56.38 | TheSarge | I have no use for a server lol |
| 07:56.42 | TheSarge | But I want one |
| 07:56.59 | SpComb | the -xen variants of the linux kernel are outdated, mainline runs on a domU as-is |
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| 08:00.22 | mick_laptop | yes, I got my damned iphone to work |
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| 08:00.52 | mick_laptop | SpComb: good to know, I haven't used xen in a long time |
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| 08:01.59 | mick_laptop | TheSarge: I'd say start off with learning how to use it first (w/o X) |
| 08:02.16 | TheSarge | haha I can use a linux terminal kinda |
| 08:02.25 | mick_laptop | suuuure |
| 08:02.28 | TheSarge | Just not stuff like screen |
| 08:02.33 | TheSarge | It has been a while |
| 08:02.39 | mick_laptop | I got that feeling from listening to you for the past few hours |
| 08:02.47 | TheSarge | few hours? |
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| 08:02.55 | TheSarge | I have been here maybe 45 mins |
| 08:03.02 | mick_laptop | feels like hours :P |
| 08:03.15 | mick_laptop | well, I've been here for a while |
| 08:03.20 | mick_laptop | it is 4am here now |
| 08:03.28 | Funkadelic | whenever I open gedit, I get this: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
| 08:03.31 | TheSarge | Eastcoast huh? |
| 08:03.31 | ompaul | looks on and wonders what part of man screen screen -r etc does not get known |
| 08:03.33 | mick_laptop | and I know I didn't just get here ;) |
| 08:03.49 | Funkadelic | anyone know how to get rid of that? |
| 08:04.08 | TheSarge | I have to go back to work in 6 hours ( |
| 08:04.13 | TheSarge | :( |
| 08:04.35 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: apt-file search libcanberra-gtk-module.so |
| 08:04.36 | ompaul | Funkadelic: not running gnome - but to get more useful help you might consider saying what version you are using and if it has any strange adaptations :( |
| 08:04.43 | TheSarge | dim exclar |
| 08:04.57 | mick_laptop | since there is another part of that error that you ommitted /methinks |
| 08:05.02 | TheSarge | oops |
| 08:05.18 | mick_laptop | TheSarge: awesome password |
| 08:05.29 | TheSarge | password? |
| 08:05.32 | ompaul | mick_laptop: no it's not :) |
| 08:05.34 | TheSarge | That was a variable |
| 08:05.38 | mick_laptop | HAHAHAHHA |
| 08:05.53 | TheSarge | Variable declaration anyways |
| 08:06.03 | TheSarge | Hit alt - tab to many times |
| 08:06.05 | mick_laptop | ah vb |
| 08:06.07 | TheSarge | I'm tired |
| 08:06.22 | TheSarge | Yea |
| 08:06.24 | Funkadelic | I don't have apt-file atm, getting it |
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| 08:06.39 | Funkadelic | gnome 3.2.1 |
| 08:06.41 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: that way you can find what package provides that missing file |
| 08:06.44 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 08:06.50 | mick_laptop | and install it |
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| 08:07.00 | ompaul | Funkadelic: so maybe you need to dist-upgrade a little |
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| 08:07.55 | ompaul | Funkadelic: also for those sid / testing / wheezy moments you could consider #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where people running those things hang out in a greater consentration |
| 08:07.57 | Funkadelic | this has been going on for as long as I can remember |
| 08:08.15 | Funkadelic | for months |
| 08:08.23 | mick_laptop | looks like a missing package to me |
| 08:08.26 | Funkadelic | and on various systems |
| 08:09.01 | ompaul | Funkadelic: have you done a dist-upgrade today? |
| 08:09.06 | mick_laptop | surprise it is in libcanberra-gtk-module |
| 08:09.08 | ompaul | and which version are you running of debian? |
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| 08:09.51 | Funkadelic | no i haven't |
| 08:09.58 | Funkadelic | I'm running wheezy |
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| 08:10.20 | ompaul | Gentoon: eh don't irc as root afik you have been muted here for that reason - all ircing as root at automagically |
| 08:10.59 | ompaul | s/at/is |
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| 08:12.21 | Gentoon | Didnt even realize I was root haha |
| 08:12.29 | mick_laptop | *sigh* |
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| 08:13.06 | mick_laptop | dpkg: tell Gentoon about sudo |
| 08:13.17 | TheSarge | I know about sudo |
| 08:13.38 | TheSarge | Its not setup that way in the VM template |
| 08:13.42 | TheSarge | Root is enabled |
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| 08:14.57 | mick_laptop | man sshd_config |
| 08:15.03 | mick_laptop | TheSarge: ^ |
| 08:15.21 | TheSarge | I know how to edit that config lol |
| 08:15.30 | TheSarge | I want root enabled for emergencies |
| 08:15.39 | TheSarge | Since I have no local access |
| 08:15.44 | mick_laptop | yet you don't know how to turn off root logins |
| 08:15.54 | TheSarge | I want root logins |
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| 08:16.36 | TheSarge | mick give me a screen example |
| 08:16.53 | TheSarge | Say I login and want to start a build, thn detatch it |
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| 08:17.01 | TheSarge | then come back and check it later |
| 08:17.06 | mick_laptop | here is one: root@108.161.128.174 |
| 08:17.30 | mick_laptop | then: screen <enter> |
| 08:17.32 | TheSarge | shales |
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| 08:18.12 | Funkadelic | I did a dist-upgrade. shoudl i just install all the packages that the apt-file search comes up with? |
| 08:18.48 | TheSarge | mick_laptop, then... |
| 08:19.23 | TheSarge | How do I move between and swicth them? |
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| 08:19.35 | mick_laptop | vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:19.45 | mick_laptop | change your root logins, save the file |
| 08:19.53 | mick_laptop | restart ssh |
| 08:20.11 | mick_laptop | you can do that as root :) |
| 08:20.22 | mick_laptop | click the "x" on your screen |
| 08:20.36 | mick_laptop | then ssh back into your server and type: screen -r |
| 08:20.42 | mick_laptop | you will be back where you started |
| 08:20.44 | yeshellothere | so asound plugins have been removed from ia32-libs on testing, is there a way to build the package to regenerate them? |
| 08:20.45 | ompaul | Funkadelic: I would install at least one of them |
| 08:20.47 | mick_laptop | at the # |
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| 08:20.55 | yeshellothere | i am one pulse module away from having a working WINE game config :o |
| 08:21.08 | mick_laptop | yeshellothere: isn't that in debian-multimedia ? |
| 08:21.30 | yeshellothere | mick_laptop: i'll go check |
| 08:21.39 | yeshellothere | i have it enabled, but i don't see it |
| 08:21.52 | mick_laptop | might not be for wheezy |
| 08:21.57 | mick_laptop | :-/ |
| 08:22.07 | yeshellothere | i'm pretty new to multiarch and i don't quite know how to check it out |
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| 08:22.36 | yeshellothere | yeah no asound-plugins on d-m |
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| 08:23.34 | Funkadelic | I do have libcanberra-gtk-module installed |
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| 08:24.23 | mick_laptop | yeshellothere: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ia64/ia32-libs-core/filelist |
| 08:24.35 | mick_laptop | looks like it is included |
| 08:24.38 | yeshellothere | ia64? ;) |
| 08:24.51 | mick_laptop | lol, oops :) |
| 08:24.59 | yeshellothere | there's no libs-core in amd64 |
| 08:25.01 | mick_laptop | damned archs |
| 08:25.02 | yeshellothere | only ia32-libs |
| 08:25.07 | yeshellothere | yeah i have made that mistake before |
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| 08:26.04 | Funkadelic | any ideas? |
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| 08:26.22 | Funkadelic | I have libcanberra-gtk-module installed, so that should supply that |
| 08:26.35 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: reboot |
| 08:26.46 | Funkadelic | this has been going on for months |
| 08:26.49 | mick_laptop | not a definite fix, but it seems to help |
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| 08:26.54 | Funkadelic | and that package has been installed for a while too |
| 08:27.00 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: did you just install it? |
| 08:27.04 | mick_laptop | ok nm |
| 08:27.06 | Funkadelic | libcanberra-gtk-module has been installed for a while now |
| 08:27.21 | mick_laptop | and it says that it can't find the .so? |
| 08:27.59 | Funkadelic | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
| 08:28.01 | Funkadelic | that ^ |
| 08:28.08 | mick_laptop | I'd guess that it should be in /usr/lib/gtk-3.whateveryourversionis/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so |
| 08:28.10 | Funkadelic | whenever i start gedit |
| 08:28.35 | mick_laptop | but it doesn't say missing .so? |
| 08:28.50 | Funkadelic | no it just says that |
| 08:28.53 | Funkadelic | what I posted |
| 08:28.54 | Funkadelic | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
| 08:29.25 | yeshellothere | Funkadelic: run it within strace |
| 08:29.30 | yeshellothere | if you want to find the paths it might be looking for |
| 08:29.33 | yeshellothere | but i guess ldconfig too |
| 08:29.55 | Funkadelic | strace? |
| 08:30.09 | mick_laptop | ya strace |
| 08:30.27 | Funkadelic | what is strace? |
| 08:30.38 | yeshellothere | if you are running 'gedit file', run 'strace gedit file' |
| 08:30.39 | mick_laptop | it tells you the sys calls that it runs |
| 08:30.42 | yeshellothere | ^ |
| 08:30.49 | mick_laptop | aptitude install strace first |
| 08:30.52 | Funkadelic | oh ok |
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| 08:33.04 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: also: # ldconfig -v | grep can |
| 08:34.03 | mick_laptop | the linker (oversimplified as: the thing that handles what libraries a program includes when a program is run), tells you what and where the libraries are |
| 08:34.50 | Funkadelic | how can I log the output to a file? |
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| 08:35.05 | mick_laptop | STDOUT? |
| 08:35.06 | Funkadelic | strace gedit > log doesn't work |
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| 08:35.24 | mick_laptop | you need to do output redirection |
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| 08:37.57 | mick_laptop | idiot me |
| 08:37.57 | mick_laptop | -o file.txt |
| 08:37.57 | mick_laptop | forgot strace has -o :-/ |
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| 08:37.57 | Funkadelic | why doesn't output redirection work though? shoudln't it? |
| 08:37.57 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 08:37.57 | yeshellothere | Funkadelic: it outputs on stderr |
| 08:38.01 | yeshellothere | so if you wanted to redirect that |
| 08:38.04 | yeshellothere | you'd use 2>fie |
| 08:38.06 | yeshellothere | 2>file even |
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| 08:38.36 | yeshellothere | so mick_laptop no ideas about my multiarch problem? |
| 08:38.38 | mick_laptop | see you have stdout and stderr, you'd need to redirect (see the link) |
| 08:38.40 | yeshellothere | i guess i need to read more on the spec |
| 08:39.20 | mick_laptop | yeshellothere: repeate the issue, it is late and I can only scroll up so far :P |
| 08:39.41 | yeshellothere | mick_laptop: the libasound pulse modules have been removed from ia32-libs |
| 08:39.50 | yeshellothere | but i don't think i can install a 32 bit version on amd64 at the moment |
| 08:39.52 | yeshellothere | (on wheezy) |
| 08:39.57 | yeshellothere | any way i can build them? |
| 08:40.00 | yeshellothere | or any nice guides on the subject? |
| 08:40.03 | mick_laptop | why not? |
| 08:40.13 | mick_laptop | another thing, is there a bug # for that? |
| 08:40.18 | yeshellothere | not as far as i know |
| 08:40.25 | yeshellothere | and if there is a way, let me know how and i'll try :D |
| 08:40.35 | mick_laptop | why can't you install a 32 bit library side by side w/ a 64 bit library? |
| 08:40.53 | yeshellothere | i'm not sure how i'm supposed to |
| 08:40.59 | Funkadelic | then what does 1>&2 do? That page is really really confusing about that |
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| 08:41.18 | yeshellothere | Funkadelic: it redirects one to the other |
| 08:41.23 | yeshellothere | so you essentially join the two output streams |
| 08:41.32 | Funkadelic | 1 and 2 are both stderr, right? |
| 08:41.36 | yeshellothere | no, 1 is STDOUT |
| 08:41.38 | yeshellothere | 2 is STDERR |
| 08:42.14 | Funkadelic | ok... then what's 0? |
| 08:42.39 | yeshellothere | STDIN |
| 08:42.44 | yeshellothere | isn't it? |
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| 08:46.10 | mick_laptop | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ia32-libs says: dep: lib32asound2 (>> 1.0.18) [amd64] |
| 08:46.23 | mick_laptop | yeshellothere: ^^^ |
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| 08:47.03 | jelly-home | mick_laptop: because his distro doesn't support that yet |
| 08:47.11 | yeshellothere | mick_laptop: that's missing the plugins |
| 08:47.18 | mick_laptop | Funkadelic: the ABS might be a bit clearer http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
| 08:47.26 | mick_laptop | good morning jelly-home |
| 08:47.27 | jelly-home | thus a need for workarounds like ia32-libs |
| 08:47.33 | yeshellothere | jelly-home: ah is multiarch not in dpkg in wheezy? |
| 08:47.55 | jelly-home | yeshellothere: it was in experimental a week ago, I haven't checked since |
| 08:48.09 | yeshellothere | ah k, any easy way for me to rebuild the modules i need? |
| 08:48.24 | jelly-home | I'd use a 32bit chroot |
| 08:48.33 | yeshellothere | hmmmm |
| 08:48.35 | yeshellothere | i guess i could |
| 08:48.37 | yeshellothere | it's a WINE game |
| 08:48.42 | yeshellothere | so i can dump my whole wine dir in there |
| 08:48.55 | yeshellothere | know any good tutorials on it? |
| 08:48.55 | jelly-home | or indeed try messing with multiarch support |
| 08:49.01 | yeshellothere | hah |
| 08:49.22 | yeshellothere | chroot idea sounds fine to me |
| 08:49.32 | yeshellothere | i only need it for this one game i am desparate to play :D |
| 08:49.45 | jelly-home | something like debootstrap to create the chroot |
| 08:49.58 | yeshellothere | oh right that simple |
| 08:50.01 | yeshellothere | well i'll give it a go later on |
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| 08:59.01 | davidgul | hi |
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| 09:00.26 | davidgul | What is the best way to remote control my machine, I wont somthink like rdp or vnc that i can control the gui of my machine/ |
| 09:02.32 | vlt | davidgul: I’d say remote X, then VNC, then something else, then RDP. |
| 09:02.52 | mick_laptop | well I guess I have the iphone working w/ gtkpod just not banshee |
| 09:02.58 | davidgul | vlt : ok so how can i cofigure remote X what i need to download, and sorry about my bad english |
| 09:03.03 | os_ | hi |
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| 09:03.24 | mick_laptop | davidgul: the x libraries and ssh |
| 09:03.33 | Digdilem | vnc is probably the quickest and easiest way to remote |
| 09:03.41 | mick_laptop | davidgul: if there is an x server on the other side, then just ssh |
| 09:04.05 | os_ | can i make debian don't use vga card to make xen use VGAthrupass to domiaNU |
| 09:04.06 | os_ | ? |
| 09:04.17 | davidgul | So i need to configure x server and ssh i think that i have both of them |
| 09:04.24 | vlt | davidgul: I don’t know well. I use several LTSP environments which uses remote X to connect the thin clients to the server but I don’t know how to setup standalone. I could tell you about VNC. |
| 09:04.35 | mick_laptop | if ssh forwarding is allowed in /etc/sshd/sshd_config then you can do ssh -Y user@host xeyes |
| 09:04.37 | davidgul | i meen i have ssh server and i have xfce4 so what now ? |
| 09:04.38 | MrIdentical | hi there, I'm on Wheezy trying to use live-build to create a live image, I get so far down the process and then I get this message: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/cdn.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 09:05.15 | mick_laptop | xeyes just being a simple x11 app that you can install on the server to test |
| 09:05.18 | vlt | davidgul: On your client you need a working X environment, then run `ssh -Y <server> <app>` |
| 09:05.35 | davidgul | vlt : i try to use vnc but it very slow |
| 09:05.54 | vlt | davidgul: Depends on the network bandwidth between your hosts. |
| 09:05.54 | mick_laptop | ssh w/ x11 fwding can be slower |
| 09:06.13 | mick_laptop | like, using firefox on a remote machine |
| 09:06.15 | davidgul | vlt : <server> is xfce4 or what ? |
| 09:06.19 | mick_laptop | don't bother ;) |
| 09:06.22 | vlt | davidgul: Yes, X11 might even be slower. |
| 09:06.23 | Digdilem | also depends on how you tune vnc, turning down colour depth and resolution, and turning off any desktop eyecandy that updates constantly can make it workable over adsl |
| 09:06.29 | davidgul | and what <app> meen |
| 09:06.38 | vlt | davidgul: “<server>” is your server’s name or IP address. |
| 09:06.44 | mick_laptop | ya |
| 09:07.03 | vlt | davidgul: “<app>” is the program you want to run. For example `gnome-terminal`. |
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| 09:07.51 | davidgul | vlt : ok and what if on my clent runs windwos i can do ? |
| 09:08.02 | vlt | davidgul: VNC |
| 09:08.15 | MrIdentical | bbl |
| 09:08.16 | vlt | davidgul: VNC via Putty |
| 09:08.38 | vlt | davidgul: For security reasons (depending on the networj between the hosts) |
| 09:08.45 | vlt | *network |
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| 09:09.18 | vlt | davidgul: Then you need to run vncserver on your target host. |
| 09:09.25 | davidgul | vlt :what you think about this program http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx?cdsplit=C |
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| 09:09.48 | vlt | davidgul: I don’t know it and I don’t know whether it runs on Linux. |
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| 09:10.49 | vlt | davidgul: If your client is windows I’d recommend installing vnc4server pkg (and openssh-server) on the server machine and then connect from the client via putty’s port forwarding. |
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| 09:11.22 | davidgul | vlt : my big problem is that i live in israel and her the isp is giveng us only 1 MB of upload speed so vnc is working very slow |
| 09:11.38 | davidgul | i try once use vnc and it dont work very well |
| 09:11.43 | vlt | davidgul: You need to run a vncserver process as a user on the target machine before you can connect. |
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| 09:12.49 | vlt | davidgul: Just reduce the amount of colors. 1 MBit is good enough for remote working on a 1280×1024 desktop |
| 09:12.56 | davidgul | vly : what vnc server you recomand me |
| 09:13.08 | vlt | davidgul: If your client is windows I’d recommend installing vnc4server pkg (and openssh-server) on the server machine and then connect from the client via putty’s port forwarding. |
| 09:14.01 | davidgul | vlt : ok so when i finish instaling this pkg how i configure them ? |
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| 09:14.56 | vlt | davidgul: On Debian you shouldn’t need to configure anything. Just log in as a user, run `vncserver` (which defaults to a 1024×768 screen) and then connect. |
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| 09:15.33 | r4co0n | Greetings, i am running wheezy for 3h and am now trying to get youtube hd running fluently. I am using a netbook, powered by intel gma950 graphics. I just swapped my kernel to 3.2.0-2-rt-686-pae, which seems to have increased overall performance of the system. what else can i do? was what i did even helpful, because yt seems to perform worse, dont know if this relates to what i did or the weather? |
| 09:15.36 | vlt | davidgul: For larger or smaller screens use vncserver’s “-geometry” option. |
| 09:16.16 | valdyn | r4co0n: as far as i know what you want is not possible |
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| 09:18.12 | valdyn | r4co0n: you can try the html5 mode in youtube. That does not use flash, but not all clips are available in that format |
| 09:18.19 | r4co0n | someone wrote in a debian forum, one can try to increase the processor timer frequency to 1000Hz. but thats part of what the realtime-kernel does, isnt it? |
| 09:18.34 | valdyn | r4co0n: thats not useful |
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| 09:18.50 | r4co0n | valdyn, i am running the proprietary flash plugin, if that is of interest |
| 09:19.01 | valdyn | r4co0n: it is, but im already assuming that |
| 09:19.29 | valdyn | r4co0n: 1000hz or the rt kernel should make it more jerky |
| 09:19.54 | davidgul | vlt : i install the vnc4server and open ssh so how i cinnect to my machine know |
| 09:19.59 | davidgul | now ** |
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| 09:21.05 | r4co0n | i read somewhere else i should upgrade xserver-xorg-video-intel to >=2.5. but this version seems not available yet in the time i live in ;) |
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| 09:21.22 | valdyn | r4co0n: new X is available in backports |
| 09:21.25 | valdyn | !bpo |
| 09:21.26 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 09:21.57 | vlt | davidgul: Well, how do you connect right now? |
| 09:22.07 | r4co0n | experimental (x11): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver 2:2.18.0-1+exp1: amd64 i386 |
| 09:22.29 | r4co0n | dough |
| 09:22.37 | valdyn | r4co0n: mind, this is about gradual improvements. 1080p in youtube and flash is probably not possible on your system |
| 09:22.38 | r4co0n | that is greater 2.5 |
| 09:22.46 | valdyn | r4co0n: its also experimental |
| 09:22.58 | r4co0n | it is with redmondsoft |
| 09:23.13 | valdyn | r4co0n: sure, but not in linux |
| 09:23.17 | r4co0n | :/ |
| 09:23.34 | r4co0n | i can live with that, thanks for the help, valdyn. |
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| 09:23.57 | valdyn | r4co0n: and fyi, I have a faster system and cant do that either |
| 09:24.42 | r4co0n | should i try to pin xserver to sid or would i probably break stuff and end up with an unusable system? |
| 09:24.56 | valdyn | r4co0n: no, you can try X from backports |
| 09:25.16 | r4co0n | am running wheezy, there dont seem to be wheezy-backports, are there? |
| 09:25.24 | valdyn | r4co0n: true |
| 09:25.31 | vlt | davidgul: On a decent client you’d run just `vncviever :0 -via <user>@<your server’s ip>`. With putty you need to connect via ssh first, then edit the SSH remote settings and forward a local port (like 5900) to the remote port 5900 (or whatever vncserver uses there). |
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| 09:25.35 | valdyn | r4co0n: then you X is already pretty new I think |
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| 09:25.51 | valdyn | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 09:25.52 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; sid: 2:2.18.0-1; wheezy: 2:2.18.0-1; experimental: 2:2.18.0-1+exp1 |
| 09:26.16 | r4co0n | valdyn, you are right, the exact same version. sry for confusion |
| 09:26.18 | vlt | davidgul: Then run a vnc client and connect to localhost:0 or localhost::5900 |
| 09:26.18 | valdyn | r4co0n: thats identical to sid |
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| 09:26.49 | valdyn | r4co0n: this really is about adobe flash being low quality software anyway, not about X |
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| 09:27.29 | r4co0n | are there chances gnash will perform better? havent looked into it for a while... |
| 09:27.40 | valdyn | r4co0n: no |
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| 09:29.02 | valdyn | r4co0n: at some point you will either use html5 to play youtube or lightspark |
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| 09:29.38 | r4co0n | valdyn, thanks for clarification. i really appreciate your help. its days like this when I think mr. jobs wasnt that wrong in just blocking flash for idevices. |
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| 09:29.47 | valdyn | r4co0n: but both is not quite ready and adobe flash is no longer developed |
| 09:30.09 | aBound | Just need to replace flash altogether with HTML 5. |
| 09:30.13 | r4co0n | amen |
| 09:30.50 | aBound | Amen to the man in the tree. :) |
| 09:31.05 | valdyn | firefox will support h.264 soon, so there even will be one single codec being suitable for a huge chunk of the market |
| 09:32.26 | r4co0n | i really would like to continue talking about that, but we seem to flood the support chan with offtopic. join me in #debian-offtopic? |
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| 09:32.50 | Tunix2 | Oh boy. In the middle of upgrading from Debian 5 to 6 and am now using 6GB |
| 09:33.02 | aBound | 6GB of RAM or space? |
| 09:33.05 | Tunix2 | Was only using 2 |
| 09:33.08 | Tunix2 | Psace |
| 09:33.10 | Tunix2 | Space* |
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| 09:33.40 | aBound | Dang, running another OS on the side? |
| 09:33.48 | Tunix2 | No not at all |
| 09:33.54 | Tunix2 | I must have done something wrong |
| 09:35.12 | Tunix2 | I replaced my sources file with all squeeze stuff, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:35.15 | Tunix2 | thats it |
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| 09:36.57 | aBound | Forever Debian. :P |
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| 09:52.53 | namoamitabuddha | Is it possible that my email to debian-backports AT lists.debian.org is considered as spam |
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| 09:56.30 | namoamitabuddha | ? |
| 09:58.14 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: everything is possible |
| 10:00.33 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: How to avoid it? |
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| 10:27.32 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#My_posts_are_considered_spam_and_rejected_.28or_never_show_up.29 |
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| 10:29.12 | ruif13 | hia when i upgrade kernel backports my x doesn't start |
| 10:29.19 | ruif13 | how can i install my nvidia |
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| 10:31.09 | babilen | !tell ruif13 -about nvidia dkms |
| 10:31.20 | babilen | ruif13: You want the version from <backports> |
| 10:31.40 | ruif13 | yap |
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| 10:31.50 | babilen | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:31.51 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; sid/non-free: 295.33-1 |
| 10:32.16 | ruif13 | hum |
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| 10:33.02 | babilen | ruif13: So: You have to adjust the installation command in the <nvidia dkms> factoid to honour the fact that you are running the backported kernel. Please install kernel-headers from backports as well (linux-headers-amd64 for example) |
| 10:33.21 | babilen | ruif13: How did you install the nvidia driver before? |
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| 10:38.59 | ruif13 | babilen when i boot first time i install the nvidia from synatpic |
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| 10:39.32 | babilen | ruif13: Which package? What does "aptitude search '~i~nnvidia'" give you? (paste it to http://paste.debian.net please) |
| 10:39.55 | babilen | ruif13: Or rather, make that: aptitude versions '~i~nnvidia' |
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| 10:40.55 | Slamd64 | I installed basic system and I have problem with root password. It says login incorrect. Then I boot lilo with Linux init=/bin/bash boot parameters and typed passwd. It says Authentication token manipulation error. Password unchanged. Please help. |
| 10:42.54 | jelly-home | Slamd64: after booting with init=/bin/bash, remount the / filesystem in read-write mode before trying to change the password |
| 10:43.02 | ruif13 | in backports i can't find nvidia only for 2.6.32.5 |
| 10:43.17 | Slamd64 | Thanks |
| 10:43.19 | babilen | !tell Slamd64 -about forgot root password |
| 10:43.28 | jelly-home | ruif13: install nvidia-kernel-dkms, and let it rebuild the driver |
| 10:43.32 | ruif13 | aptitude -t squeeze-backports search '~i~nvidia' |
| 10:43.43 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:43.44 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; sid/non-free: 295.33-1 |
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| 10:44.02 | ruif13 | great |
| 10:44.05 | ruif13 | gona try |
| 10:44.14 | babilen | ruif13: No, just "aptitude search '~i~nnvidia' -- You want kernel headers and nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports, but please show us what you have installed right now. |
| 10:44.18 | jelly-home | ruif13: make sure you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential installed before that |
| 10:44.28 | sidh_ | Greetings |
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| 10:46.55 | sidh_ | I've dist-upgraded to sid , and several packages have not been upgraded, there are some errors, do you know if there is a log file to check out what has been wrong during dist-upgrade ? |
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| 10:48.25 | tremon | sidh_: there is only /var/log/dpkg.log and apt-get's output, I think |
| 10:48.52 | jelly-home | sidh_: next time, use script to save the complete output of the upgrade run |
| 10:49.27 | jelly-home | sidh_: but doing an "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" will expose remaining errors |
| 10:49.38 | jelly-home | if they're package installation related |
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| 10:51.59 | andax | i got this new keyboard with no volume +- keys.... how do I bind the numpad +- buttons to volume up/down action? ( using alsa if that matters ) |
| 10:53.11 | andax | basically like alt+F2 opens the run command dialog, how can I create my own bindings? |
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| 10:54.29 | andax | or at least what keywords to search for :) |
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| 10:55.13 | ruif13 | i gona w8 for the stable kernel version at the mirrors |
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| 11:18.37 | Funkadelic | I was asking earlier about this; I get the error Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" whenever I open gedit. I used strace gedit | grep can and I got this http://pastebin.com/qHqw8yfx I have these packages installed: gnome-session-canberra, libcanberra-gtk-module, libcanberra-gtk0, libcanberra-gtk3-0, libcanberra-pulse, libcanberra0 |
| 11:19.41 | Funkadelic | any ideas on how to get rid of this error? |
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| 11:20.03 | Funkadelic | I have gnome v 3.2.1 |
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| 11:21.23 | saban | hi. is there any more powerfull program (open source) like feng office? |
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| 11:23.24 | ansgar | saban: It would be helpful if you said what that software does. |
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| 11:23.58 | saban | ansgar: Web Based Project Management Software |
| 11:24.54 | jelly-home | saban: redmine is open source, but I have no idea at all how good it is |
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| 11:57.03 | ajikeshi_ | hey i ve got a theoretical question: is it possible to create symlinks that point to different directories when accessed by different users? |
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| 11:57.59 | abrotman | ajikeshi_: for executable, or reading a file ? |
| 11:58.03 | ajikeshi_ | like: user1 goes to the /directory symlink... and it points to /home/user1//directory, user 2 /directory => /home/user2/directory and so on |
| 11:58.06 | ajikeshi_ | directory |
| 11:58.48 | ajikeshi_ | didnt find much useful on google |
| 11:58.50 | abrotman | not that i can think of |
| 11:58.53 | ajikeshi_ | mhhh |
| 11:59.03 | ajikeshi_ | any ideas for a "workaround"? |
| 11:59.08 | Funkadelic | You could probably make a script to do that |
| 11:59.21 | ajikeshi_ | you could... but that would change the symlink all the time |
| 11:59.23 | abrotman | ajikeshi_: yeah, "cd ~/directory" :) |
| 11:59.29 | Funkadelic | because each user has a different uid |
| 11:59.43 | ajikeshi_ | not possible |
| 11:59.46 | Funkadelic | for example, suppose user 1 has uid 1001 and user 2 has 1002 |
| 11:59.57 | threadlock | just came to think of the electric spanking of war babies for some reason.. |
| 11:59.59 | abrotman | ajikeshi_: what about an alias that is $HOME/directory ? |
| 12:00.15 | ajikeshi_ | imagine an application that keeps the "configfiles" in its own directory and i cannot change the source |
| 12:00.27 | ajikeshi_ | and i want the configfiles in ~/.application per user |
| 12:00.33 | Funkadelic | the script could say cd to /abc/folder(uid-1000)/whatever |
| 12:00.54 | ajikeshi_ | yes... but the directory is accessed from within a programm i dont have the source for |
| 12:01.27 | Funkadelic | there's this thing called reverse engineering... haha jk |
| 12:01.40 | ajikeshi_ | yeah.. thought about it... |
| 12:01.47 | cos^ | ajikeshi_: how about making a launcher script which copies config from ~ to app's config directory and after app has quitted copies them back? |
| 12:02.11 | ajikeshi_ | cos^, yes.. thats my current "idea" to just copy the stuff around |
| 12:02.19 | cos^ | i've been planning to package x-plane flight simulator which also has the same problem |
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| 12:02.31 | ajikeshi_ | cos^, i plan to package dwarf fortress :D |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | does each user need the same config ? |
| 12:03.06 | ajikeshi_ | nope |
| 12:03.23 | ajikeshi_ | because the saves are stored the same way and there are important other things in the conf |
| 12:03.29 | abrotman | so create a wrapper script and have that script install the files where they belong ? |
| 12:03.34 | ajikeshi_ | aye |
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| 12:03.48 | cos^ | it's ugly but afaik the only way possible |
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| 12:04.08 | x12 | Hi |
| 12:04.28 | ajikeshi_ | my current idea is... to make a script that checks if the current version is inside ~/.dwarffortress/ and if not copy everything there |
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| 12:04.58 | ajikeshi_ | and if that directory exists then execute ~/.dwarffortress/current_version/df |
| 12:05.21 | cos^ | that would work if the app is small |
| 12:05.28 | ajikeshi_ | ~30mb |
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| 12:05.53 | cos^ | hm.. how about creating symlinks from home to install directory for all files except config? |
| 12:06.06 | ajikeshi_ | yep.. thats another solution |
| 12:06.20 | ajikeshi_ | but save compatibility breaks between versions sometime |
| 12:06.22 | ajikeshi_ | s |
| 12:06.29 | cos^ | x-plane takes easily tens of gigabytes so copying it to ~ is not possible |
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| 12:06.36 | ajikeshi_ | cos^, aye |
| 12:07.08 | cos^ | ajikeshi_: the launch script could update the symlinks to match installed files every time |
| 12:07.17 | ajikeshi_ | yep |
| 12:07.31 | ajikeshi_ | but then the old savegames wouldnt be working or missing |
| 12:07.41 | x12 | What repo is bzip2 on? |
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| 12:08.21 | ajikeshi_ | again.. per-user smylinks would be a nice thing to have in that situation :D |
| 12:08.29 | x12 | I need bzip2, but It's not installed, and I would not like to use a CD |
| 12:08.37 | x12 | I have removed the CD from sources.list |
| 12:08.45 | x12 | but It now says it has no installation candidate |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | x12: are you using http repositories? |
| 12:09.50 | x12 | abrotman: how can I tell? |
| 12:09.58 | abrotman | where did you remove the cd sources? |
| 12:10.14 | x12 | Just realised I didn't uncomment some of the other repos |
| 12:10.16 | x12 | trying now |
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| 12:10.51 | x12 | Nope |
| 12:10.54 | x12 | still not working |
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| 12:11.02 | abrotman | x12: what are teh contents of your sources.list ? |
| 12:11.15 | x12 | How do I post them, it's running in a virtualbox? |
| 12:11.26 | abrotman | !tell x12 about squeeze sources.list |
| 12:11.28 | saban | in pastebin |
| 12:11.46 | x12 | How do I upload to pastebin from commandline? |
| 12:11.51 | abrotman | x12: add the two lines the bot gave you, then 'aptitude update;aptitude install bzip2' |
| 12:12.08 | x12 | No bot gave me anything... |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | yes it did |
| 12:12.27 | x12 | Nope |
| 12:12.36 | abrotman | look around, the bot sent you a msg |
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| 12:12.44 | x12 | Ah |
| 12:12.47 | abrotman | see! |
| 12:12.48 | x12 | the bot is called dpkg :) |
| 12:12.49 | x12 | thanks |
| 12:13.57 | x12 | abrotman: Trying it now... |
| 12:14.58 | x12 | abrotman: You are a god. |
| 12:15.10 | abrotman | everyone hear that?! :) |
| 12:15.25 | x12 | thinks that abrotman is a debian god :) |
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| 12:18.03 | x12 | I am installing G++ |
| 12:18.16 | x12 | and it says "Note, Selecting <insert something random here>" |
| 12:18.22 | x12 | does this mean it's installing all of those? |
| 12:18.37 | abrotman | you mean gcc ? the compiler? |
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| 12:22.07 | x12 | abrotman: Yes |
| 12:22.10 | x12 | abrotman: G++ |
| 12:22.22 | x12 | abrotman: It says there are loads of dependancies missing |
| 12:22.27 | x12 | abrotman: How do I fix that? |
| 12:22.55 | namoamitabuddha | r4co0n: `I'm posting via gmail's servers, but I never receive my own posts (other list mail is fine)' what does it mean? |
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| 12:23.42 | mne | Hi. On my router I'm using dnsmasq. I would like dnsmasq to only answer for local DNS names. So to resolver on my client machine should first ask the router's DNS server and if it doesn't get a response for the domain, it should ask the next DNS server in resolv.conf. Is this possible ? |
| 12:24.29 | x12 | How do I satisfy all of the missing requirements |
| 12:24.48 | mne | The background is that I use a VPN with openvpn and I need to use a different DNS server when connected to the VPN. However, as soon as I do that, local (LAN) dns names can no longer be resolved |
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| 12:25.32 | abrotman | x12: aptitude install build-essential |
| 12:25.36 | r4co0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.25 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, you probably need to add your email address to the whitelist, which is linked on the page i sent you to. |
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| 12:26.39 | namoamitabuddha | r4co0n: oh, but if the message is not showed in lists.debian.org, it means that the message is considered as spam? |
| 12:27.36 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, i think you misunderstood that. this feature only affects your account, messages should all appear in the debian mailing list archives. |
| 12:28.22 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, your own messages appear in gmail under "sent", so they thought putting them in the inbox would be duplicating them |
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| 12:29.39 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, either your message is considered spam if it doesnt appear, or it was lost along the transmission, which is less likely. |
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| 12:32.22 | namoamitabuddha | r4co0n: I see. But it says that ``This allows one to avoid the restrictions imposed on non-subscriber posts to other mailing lists, in particular the mailing lists that allow posts only from subscribers. '' debian-backports is allowed by anyone. |
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| 12:36.58 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, cant u try to add your email and resend your question to the mailing list to see if it appears before we try to think of other reasons for your problem? |
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| 12:37.23 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, as far as i can remember, this helps |
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| 12:38.09 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, the 'restrictions' probably refers to some spamassassin instance |
| 12:38.33 | x12 | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 12:38.57 | x12 | abrotman: You are /the/ debian guru |
| 12:39.04 | abrotman | Wouldn't go that far |
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| 12:40.42 | namoamitabuddha | r4co0n: Do you that I should write my email to the blank ``Your email address:'' in https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ ? I'm not sure whether I exactly know the meaning of `subscribe to the whitelist' |
| 12:41.11 | mjt | i were fixing a squeeze system (was unbootable due to me messing up boot, unrelated) by moving the hdd to another computer, and installed a package in there using dpkg --root. But the system i did it all on is current wheezy with current multiarch dpkg. So now when I'm back in squeeze, dpkg there refuses to work, complaining that a lot of packages has no list of files. Is there any way to fix it and to let the old (squeeze) dpkg to work? |
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| 12:41.18 | sidh_ | jelly-home: tremon , I follow your advices and log the dist-upgrade process to sid here it is : http://paste.debian.net/160824/ |
| 12:42.03 | abrotman | mjt: unpack the .deb manually ? |
| 12:42.08 | namoamitabuddha | r4co0n: s/email/e-mail address/ |
| 12:42.20 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, a whitelist is a way to let the spam-hunter-program know that you are not some random address, but a valid poster |
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| 12:42.38 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, the opposite of a blacklist, e.g., they never get in |
| 12:42.52 | mjt | abrotman: that wont let the old dpkg to work. i guess some tweaks for /var/lib/dpkg/status is needed, which can't be fixed by unpacking a .deb |
| 12:43.20 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, you have to put the email-address from which you want to send messages to the list in the textbox. |
| 12:43.20 | abrotman | mjt: can you pastebin the actual error ? |
| 12:43.57 | abrotman | sidh_: not all of us speak uh .. french? try preceding your command with a "LANG=C" so it comes out in english |
| 12:44.28 | sidh_ | ok, sorry, I retry |
| 12:44.45 | mjt | abrotman: i think i see what's going on |
| 12:45.20 | mjt | abrotman: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libfoo.* has been renamed to /var/lib/dpkg/info/libfoo:i386.* |
| 12:45.32 | abrotman | oh ... that's a bit rough |
| 12:45.46 | abrotman | time for some `rename` magic |
| 12:45.51 | zpow | what kernel is currently being used in debian testing? |
| 12:46.00 | mjt | already did, and it appears to work fine now |
| 12:46.01 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:46.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.9-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 12:46.22 | zpow | ty |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | zpow: testing is wheezy |
| 12:46.58 | sidh_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/160826/ |
| 12:47.11 | namoamitabuddha | r4co0n: and another question is whether I should write an application. How does it check whether I'm a spammer or not? |
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| 12:48.12 | abrotman | !tell sidh_ about lsb tags |
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| 12:55.12 | sidh | abrotman: does this mean I have to edit manually all init scripts to make them LSB compliant ? |
| 12:56.52 | swvist | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.11 | swvist | Hi there, we have setup a Debian sid mirror (Amd64) in college. The mirror size grew beyond the specified size given in here http://www.debian.org/mirror/size and at this rate we will soon run out of space. |
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| 13:00.33 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. I am under debian wheezy and I cannot upgrade vlc. it reports broken packages. I haven't done anything else apart from installing the standard updates when necessary. is anyone else dealing the same issue or my system got corrupted somewhere? |
| 13:01.07 | bool | I want to use python3 and the argparse library. My understanding is that argparse is only available for python3.2. How would I install python3.2 in the stable version of Debian (and the argparse lib)? |
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| 13:01.40 | Arafangion | bool: If the argparse module is pure-python, you might be able to just copy the respective code. |
| 13:02.06 | mjt | _stefanos_: it tells you quite some more details, and most likely suggest you to do somehing too |
| 13:02.33 | _stefanos_ | mjt: let me try again because i use synaptic |
| 13:03.05 | _stefanos_ | shall i try with aptitude instead? |
| 13:03.11 | mjt | sidh: all initscripts? |
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| 13:03.38 | mjt | _stefanos_: dunno, i never used synaptic or aptitude |
| 13:03.46 | _stefanos_ | you use apt-get only? |
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| 13:03.55 | mjt | so far, yes |
| 13:03.59 | _stefanos_ | cool |
| 13:04.05 | mjt | what is cool? |
| 13:04.07 | bool | Arafangion, any idea how to do that? |
| 13:04.21 | _stefanos_ | cool like...nice? |
| 13:04.38 | mjt | okay, so what is nice? |
| 13:04.55 | _stefanos_ | wt flowers? am i talking to a bot or something?! |
| 13:05.11 | mjt | i don't see anything cool or nice in using apt-get |
| 13:05.13 | mjt | but ok |
| 13:05.28 | _stefanos_ | that was part of an expression |
| 13:05.43 | mjt | aptitude also tells quite some details |
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| 13:06.19 | abrotman | sidh: just the broken one(s) ? |
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| 13:06.33 | abrotman | _stefanos_: aptitude update first ? |
| 13:06.55 | _stefanos_ | done it already |
| 13:07.12 | abrotman | _stefanos_: and if you 'aptitude install vlc' .. what does it say ? |
| 13:07.12 | _stefanos_ | abrotman: it's been more than two weeks now that i have this issue |
| 13:07.16 | Arafangion | bool: Download python 3.2, take a look at argparse.py, if it exists. If it exists, then copyit. |
| 13:07.34 | Arafangion | bool: I don't know if it's pure-python, but if it is, it's a very trivial thing to do. |
| 13:07.38 | bool | Arafangion, thanks :) |
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| 13:08.37 | abrotman | _stefanos_: i can't see your screen .. please use a pastebin |
| 13:08.40 | _stefanos_ | http://dpaste.org/C2HSH/ |
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| 13:09.15 | r4co0n | namoamitabuddha, https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/StopBlockingMyMail |
| 13:10.32 | abrotman | _stefanos_: okay, and you don't want to remove those packages? |
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| 13:10.52 | os_ | hi |
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| 13:13.22 | _stefanos_ | abrotman: what do you think it has caused this problem? |
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| 13:18.21 | abrotman | _stefanos_: your system is out of date .. let it upgrade, then install what you want |
| 13:18.39 | _stefanos_ | upgrade? but it's debian wheezy |
| 13:18.47 | _stefanos_ | running updates on a daily basis |
| 13:19.30 | abrotman | and sometimes packages have to be removed for transitions |
| 13:19.38 | abrotman | that's part of the 'fun' of running testing/unstable |
| 13:19.52 | _stefanos_ | so i have to run aptitude full-uprgade? |
| 13:20.02 | abrotman | you haven't? |
| 13:20.27 | _stefanos_ | for wheezy? only once when i switched from squeeze to wheezy |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | *facepalm* |
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| 13:21.09 | _stefanos_ | hey how should i know that i have to do such thing? and how often should i do so? |
| 13:21.57 | namoamitabuddha | _stefanos_: downgrade to squeeze. it's stable. |
| 13:22.03 | abrotman | you can't downgrade |
| 13:22.12 | mjt | there's no vlc-2 for squeeze :) |
| 13:22.14 | _stefanos_ | i don't want to downgrade; no need to |
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| 13:22.18 | abrotman | _stefanos_: you're supposed to know that when you decide it's okay to run testing/unstable |
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| 13:22.55 | abrotman | _stefanos_: anyway .. yes, do the full-upgrade .. |
| 13:23.02 | _stefanos_ | ok thank you |
| 13:23.12 | _stefanos_ | brb |
| 13:23.50 | namoamitabuddha | abrotman: full-upgrade will remove something. |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: that happens sometimes .. so what? |
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| 13:27.35 | namoamitabuddha | abrotman: I don't think he is ready to solve any dependency problem that happens in testing. |
| 13:27.49 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: he's the one that chose to run testing .. why are you telling me? |
| 13:27.53 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 13:28.07 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: it's too late .. he's gone, he's running testing ... you'll just have to go on with life |
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| 13:30.42 | namoamitabuddha | abrotman: Many people are using testing only because of fashion, without the preparation of thought. |
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| 13:32.01 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: why are you still arguing with me? |
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| 13:33.46 | namoamitabuddha | abrotman: I'm not arguing. If having said some impolite words, I want to say sorry. |
| 13:34.04 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: he chose to run testing .. there's nothing you can do about it .. move on with your life |
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| 13:34.21 | gnugr | namoamitabuddha: what is wrong running wheezy? why not? |
| 13:34.28 | abrotman | gnugr: please don't |
| 13:34.36 | gnugr | kk |
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| 13:40.59 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 13:41.09 | HardDisk_WP | i'm running on debian testing,last update gave me php5.4 |
| 13:41.34 | aidan | My bandwidth for 3 unrelated servers has jumped 20x this month. I'm guessing my rackspace account was compromised ... how do I start working out what happened? |
| 13:41.45 | HardDisk_WP | how do I downgrade automatically without having to download tons of dpkg's? |
| 13:41.49 | abrotman | aidan: call them, ask them to investigate |
| 13:41.49 | HardDisk_WP | s/dpkg/.deb |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you don't |
| 13:42.02 | aidan | abrotman: they are saying I need to check my server logs |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | aidan: so look in /var/log/ |
| 13:42.17 | sidh | HardDisk_WP: you have written a taboo word in your sentence, remove it please ;p |
| 13:42.19 | aidan | abrotman: I don't know where to start ... |
| 13:42.24 | abrotman | /var/log/ ? |
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| 13:42.38 | HardDisk_WP | aidan, auth.log will tell you about login attempts |
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| 13:42.41 | HardDisk_WP | via ssh |
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| 13:43.13 | HardDisk_WP | also, look at the process list, typically trojans or backdoors used for spamming will have high cpu load |
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| 13:43.24 | aidan | Address 173.234.63.146 maps to static-173-234-63-146.hostsolutionswest.info, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
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| 13:44.35 | namoamitabuddha | Does mailing list embed the plain text attachment automatically? |
| 13:45.03 | aidan | 119.134.251.100 is also having a good crack at root ... but what am I looking for? |
| 13:45.30 | Woet | aidan: things that eat bandwidth. |
| 13:45.40 | Woet | aidan: start with installing and using iftop to see your traffic per IP/port |
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| 13:47.18 | HardDisk_WP | aidan, look in /etc/passwd if there have been accounts created by an intruder |
| 13:47.51 | mjt | heh |
| 13:48.04 | Woet | aidan: why do you have an unmanaged server if you don't know how to manage it? |
| 13:48.09 | mjt | if they were able to create an account, complete reinstall is in order :) |
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| 13:48.35 | Digdilem | yep, that |
| 13:48.37 | abrotman | a reinstall is required anyway |
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| 13:49.30 | aidan | Woet: Why do you drive a car if you don't understand how a differential works? :) |
| 13:49.48 | Woet | aidan: the right question would be "Why do you drive a car if you don't know how to drive?" |
| 13:50.19 | valdyn | aidan: the analogy fails where you pay a machanic to repair your car |
| 13:50.35 | Woet | and I thought rackspace did managed only |
| 13:50.38 | sidh | Woet: because that is not his car and he doesn't care about consequences ? |
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| 13:50.49 | aidan | Woet: How about "Why do you drive a car if you don't know how to street race?" |
| 13:50.58 | Woet | shrugs |
| 13:51.00 | Woet | have fun |
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| 13:51.11 | aidan | Woet: not being argumentative, but can you see my point? |
| 13:51.45 | mjt | street racing is like when you say "hey hackers, here's my server, i pay a $1000 to the first who'll crack it?" |
| 13:51.55 | gnugr | lots car traffic in here |
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| 13:52.31 | aidan | Woet: I know enough to "run" a server, I've been happily doing so for over a decade ... but I'm a developer, not a sysadmin. |
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| 13:52.47 | mjt | and driving in that area (challenging "hackers") indeed requires quite a bit more knowlege/understanding |
| 13:52.51 | aidan | I've never had a compromised server before (that I knew about!) |
| 13:53.17 | valdyn | aidan: but you would never know about it unless bandwitch usage grows by an insane amount ;) |
| 13:54.30 | aidan | iftop doesn't look suspicious - there's no obvious hog |
| 13:54.34 | aidan | and there's nothing in /etc/passwd |
| 13:54.42 | aidan | (that looks suspicious) |
| 13:54.54 | aidan | valdyn: touche :) |
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| 13:55.05 | valdyn | aidan: how are chances that you're not really compromised but that bandwidth usage is just high for different reasons? |
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| 13:55.26 | aidan | valdyn: maybe, but it's 20x higher on 3 out of 4 of my rackspace servers |
| 13:55.31 | valdyn | aidan: what's the attack vectors you are exposing? |
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| 13:56.03 | aidan | which is odd because the bandwidth has been stable for well over a year, and the three servers are totally independent businesses |
| 13:56.20 | zawapete | hello |
| 13:56.28 | valdyn | aidan: how do you keep track of "good" traffic anyway ? |
| 13:56.30 | aidan | valdyn: they are all web servers |
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| 13:56.54 | valdyn | aidan: looks to me like one or a few "independent" businesses might do well |
| 13:57.29 | aidan | too much of a coincidence .. |
| 13:57.46 | valdyn | aidan: you are just saying that |
| 13:57.50 | zpow | aidan, apache? |
| 13:57.54 | valdyn | aidan: you need logs to back things up |
| 13:57.58 | aidan | zpow: yes |
| 13:58.07 | Daemonfool | hi all |
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| 13:58.20 | aidan | valdyn: 3 servers that have had steady bandwidth for 12+ months all showing a 20x increase on the same month? |
| 13:58.29 | zpow | aidan, you can extract from the logs the bandwidth used by each served page, and then analyze the results manually to identify the pages that consume more than they should |
| 13:58.39 | valdyn | aidan: thats some weird coincidence |
| 13:58.41 | valdyn | aidan: the 20 is |
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| 13:58.44 | zpow | if such pages exist, or you will find the content actually has grown from the business and the size is fine |
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| 13:59.43 | zpow | aidan, ofcourse you must use some script to compare the usage over time with the actually data from the network gear |
| 13:59.48 | aidan | zpow: again it's just not statistically possible |
| 14:00.02 | Daemonfool | i've installed debian (6.0.4-amd64-kde-CD-1) on my pc but it seems damaged. it haven't got console commands like sudo o ls and it can't see usb devices plugged on. also there isn't the network manager. |
| 14:00.20 | aidan | zpow: it's a 20x increase, on 3 independent servers that know nothing about each other |
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| 14:00.52 | aidan | The traffic on Google Analytics is flat for all three |
| 14:01.02 | aidan | (relatively flat0 |
| 14:01.05 | aidan | ) |
| 14:01.19 | zpow | aidan, most of the chances you are compromised, you can play safe take the servers down for a few hours and reinstall from an image |
| 14:01.38 | zpow | but u won't find the exploit used anyway |
| 14:01.54 | zpow | assuming ur using updated software |
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| 14:02.12 | aidan | Yeah I update them once a week or so |
| 14:02.18 | aidan | Dammit. |
| 14:02.57 | sturles | You could of course take a netstat binary form another machine, run it on your possibly compromised machin and check for mystery connections. (Don't trust the one on the machine.) |
| 14:03.05 | mjt | it isn't necessary a software bug which caused a compromize. |
| 14:03.41 | mjt | sturles: provided they didn't mess with /lib/libc.so.6 &Co :) |
| 14:03.51 | sturles | Or your bandwidth usage graphs can be wrong.. |
| 14:04.03 | sturles | mjt: Or the kernel, yes. |
| 14:04.16 | sturles | A statically linked netstat would be best. |
| 14:05.16 | Rienzilla | hmm... mysql fails to start after upgrade from lenny to squeeze. No real help in the logs except that mysqladmin can't connect to the mysql server. If I ust run mysqld --verbose, the server will come up without trouble. Any ideas? |
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| 14:07.26 | aidan | sturles: rackspace says their bandwidth graphs are correct, heh. |
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| 14:09.08 | aidan | I shall build up some fresh instances :/ |
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| 14:09.14 | injureddeer | http://paste.debian.net/160830/ |
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| 14:09.16 | injureddeer | good? |
| 14:09.23 | aidan | Thanks for the help - sorry for being a dummy. |
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| 14:09.45 | Digdilem | happens to everyone sooner or later |
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| 14:10.55 | sturles | Never happened to me.. (Used Linux since 1995-ish.) |
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| 14:11.04 | sturles | Never any firewall. |
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| 14:13.27 | sturles | aidan: If three unrelated servers all got 20x larger bandwidth usage at the same time, I would look for other possible reasons. It is unlikely that an attacker will use 20x bandwidth on all the servers just like that. |
| 14:13.42 | aidan | sturles: what other reason could there be? |
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| 14:13.58 | aidan | sturles: google analytics shows steady traffic for all sites |
| 14:16.08 | sturles | E.g. some piece of software updated or installed. |
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| 14:16.33 | sturles | How about disk I/O? Do you graph it? |
| 14:16.33 | aidan | 2TB worth of software? |
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| 14:17.26 | mjt | so.. am i right that external sites report lots of traffic but nothing is seen from inside of the machine? |
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| 14:17.39 | sturles | No, software transmitting 2TB of data. |
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| 14:18.33 | mjt | new/updated software which started doing something new, that is |
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| 14:19.02 | zawapete | anyone with racoon vpn experience? |
| 14:19.43 | sturles | aidan: Do you have a VNC connection to the machines? Something updating the dcreen frequently, perhaps? |
| 14:19.46 | mjt | racoon vpn is.. interesting concept :) |
| 14:20.09 | zawapete | default ipsec on *bsd |
| 14:20.12 | aidan | sturles: nope |
| 14:20.20 | zawapete | as far as i can tell |
| 14:20.30 | zawapete | i tried openswan but i gave up |
| 14:20.34 | aidan | mjt: it's possible but there's nothing exotic on these servers, it's just apache2 |
| 14:20.39 | mjt | zawapete: i'm mostly nitpicking on my part |
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| 14:20.47 | sturles | aidan: An tou do not graph disk or network I/O with e.g. Munin? |
| 14:21.04 | mjt | zawapete: i mean, it is ipsec, ipsec vpn etc, racoon does the management |
| 14:21.07 | zawapete | mjt: eheh |
| 14:21.09 | aidan | sturles: no :( |
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| 14:22.51 | dr_traktor | how do you search quickly in your command history? |
| 14:23.06 | dr_traktor | like I know I mounted something a while ago, how do I type mount and then search for that element? |
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| 14:23.47 | Dulak | dr_traktor: in your ~/.inputrc: "\e[5~": history-search-backward |
| 14:24.06 | Dulak | dr_traktor: that binds the page up key to search history backwards |
| 14:24.14 | dr_traktor | sweet |
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| 14:24.32 | Dulak | So you can type 'mount' then hit pgup to cycle through all commands that start with mount |
| 14:24.57 | Dulak | and for search forward on pgdown key: "\e[6~": history-search-forward |
| 14:24.59 | phogg | or you could just use CTRL+R |
| 14:25.15 | sturles | aidan: Check for suspicious files (a lot of data) and network activity using netstat and tcpdump. Preferably from another machine and statically linked. Check if there is anything out of the ordinary. |
| 14:25.21 | dr_traktor | CTRL+R sounds good too |
| 14:25.40 | phogg | dr_traktor: the only difference is it's the default history-search-backward |
| 14:25.50 | phogg | dr_traktor: keep hitting it to iterate |
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| 14:29.26 | Dulak | ctrl-r is not the same, it won't complete partial commands the same way my suggestion does. |
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| 14:30.05 | injureddeer | http://paste.debian.net/160838/ - 18 line will work? |
| 14:33.24 | sidh | It seems dist-upgrading from squeeze to sid , has some mess with systemd/sysV, on February a patch http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657990#40 has been given , but I never applied patch on debian , does someone could advise me ? |
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| 14:35.53 | steampunkee | what's up with apache and libpcre3? |
| 14:36.52 | sidh | steampunkee: libpcre3 had problems last Thursday, it is fixed now on sid |
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| 14:38.29 | daemonkeeper | See #665330 |
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| 14:39.24 | steampunkee | daemonkeeper: have it open in one of my tabs. |
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| 14:40.30 | steampunkee | sidh: i have sid, here's a message: "apache2.2-bin : Depends: libpcre3 (>= 8.10) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 14:41.02 | sidh | steampunkee: libpcre3 is the latest one ? |
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| 14:42.18 | sidh | once you run aptitude update, does aptitude versions libpcre3 tells you have the latest one ? |
| 14:42.55 | steampunkee | sidh: sorry. that worked. |
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| 14:43.44 | zamba | how can i allow root login through gdm? |
| 14:44.06 | valdyn | !iyhtays |
| 14:44.06 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | zamba: you wouldn't want that |
| 14:45.04 | zamba | i want that |
| 14:45.10 | zamba | so how do i do that? |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | why would you want that? |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | zamba: dpkg -l "*gdm*" .. which veresion is it ? |
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| 14:45.53 | Dulak | What makes you want to run your X session as root? |
| 14:46.11 | steampunkee | zamba: if you want to run gui apps as root, you probably really want to allow them to be run as a normal user (browse some). if you *really* need to run stuff as root (like synaptic, or i don't know what else), use gksu |
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| 14:58.24 | SpComb | how do I disable an /etc/init.d/... service using update-rc.d? |
| 14:58.44 | somiaj | SpComb: surprisling enough it is 'update-rc.d service disable' |
| 14:58.55 | somiaj | SpComb: but if you want to stop the service you need /etc/init.d/sevice stop |
| 14:59.02 | somiaj | SpComb: and man update-rc.d would have told you that |
| 14:59.25 | SpComb | this is some outdated version of update-rc.d, it doesn't have a 'disable' :/ |
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| 15:00.12 | somiaj | SpComb: what version of debian do you run |
| 15:00.22 | SpComb | sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45.1.. oops, it's an ubuntu box :) |
| 15:00.33 | somiaj | then go talk to #ubuntu |
| 15:00.42 | SpComb | ya, wrong distro |
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| 15:00.54 | SpComb | squeeze update-rc.d indeed has a 'disable' |
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| 15:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | SpComb: Consider checking the man page |
| 15:01.33 | abrotman | or going to #ubuntu |
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| 15:21.52 | lcc | is there a debian cd customization tool? |
| 15:22.00 | somiaj | lcc: what do you mean? |
| 15:22.01 | lcc | that is worth using. |
| 15:22.14 | lcc | I want to create a custom cd. |
| 15:22.20 | somiaj | for what purpose? |
| 15:22.32 | lcc | personal and to give away. |
| 15:22.39 | somiaj | there are good tools to make custom live-cd's |
| 15:22.44 | lcc | not a live cd. |
| 15:22.51 | lcc | just a custom debian. |
| 15:23.02 | somiaj | why not just use a netinstall + online repo? |
| 15:23.58 | lcc | I want to have my most common apps on first install, especially if I want it autoconfigured perfectly. |
| 15:24.30 | somiaj | I haven't ran across any tools that create custom debian cd's for installing. |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | !tell lcc about custom netinst |
| 15:25.52 | lcc | !tell lcc about custom netinst |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | !tell lcc about selftell |
| 15:26.18 | somiaj | lcc: /msg dpkg factoid -- (: |
| 15:26.25 | lcc | my bad |
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| 15:31.02 | cnx | can someone confirm if zoneminder is a valid debian package in the current release and is stable? |
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| 15:31.28 | somiaj | ,versions zoneminder |
| 15:31.30 | judd | Package: zoneminder on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.24.2-3.1; squeeze: 1.24.2-8; sid: 1.25.0-1; wheezy: 1.25.0-1 |
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| 15:31.52 | somiaj | cnx: /msg judd versions pkgname or packages.debian.org/pkgname are useful |
| 15:32.01 | cnx | looks like its stable |
| 15:32.03 | cnx | and should work |
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| 15:33.19 | lusers | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 15:33.27 | lusers | What is "standard.iso" ? |
| 15:33.38 | alo_alo | cnx: i use zoneminder with squeeze and it works stable |
| 15:34.25 | somiaj | lusers: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/usb-hdd/debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-standard.img.packages |
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| 15:35.19 | lusers | somiaj: Is it like Live mini.iso? |
| 15:36.28 | lcc | somiaj: also, I'm interested in creating a hurd cd. |
| 15:36.31 | somiaj | lusers: yea just contains the standard system |
| 15:36.37 | lusers | (with ./runInstaller script ? ) |
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| 15:37.22 | lusers | somiaj: I see. Thank you. I jumped in and asked when I saw "standard" instead of reading the link (flavors). |
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| 15:39.32 | cnx | on a core2duo system should i install amd64 or ia64 |
| 15:39.41 | cnx | and is zoneminder available for 64bit? |
| 15:39.50 | cnx | i need to install debian first |
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| 15:40.34 | somiaj | cnx: depends on what you want, that process afiak supports both 64bit and 32bit instructions |
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| 15:40.47 | cnx | and i should download which iso for debian |
| 15:40.49 | cnx | for my cpu type |
| 15:40.54 | dvs | cnx: for 64 bit, amd64 |
| 15:40.55 | cnx | gentoo i use amd64 |
| 15:40.58 | cnx | cool |
| 15:41.14 | dvs | !next |
| 15:41.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:41.17 | somiaj | cnx: 64bit has speed improvements in specific areas, but 32bit doesn't need to deal with installing extra 32bit libs to run 32bit binarys on a 64bit userland |
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| 15:42.35 | un214 | so apparently the temproary hibernation kernel can hibernate. |
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| 15:45.29 | Tunix2 | Can anyone recommend a good site to purchase a Linux VPS? |
| 15:45.56 | Digdilem | Tunix2, portfast have been excellent for me |
| 15:46.05 | Rienzilla | I have one from directvps.nl |
| 15:46.09 | Rienzilla | but its dutch |
| 15:47.18 | Digdilem | pf autoinstall debian, and have local debian mirrors so upgrading and installing packages is pretty instant |
| 15:48.25 | Tunix2 | Rienzilla: What version of debain do they come with? |
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| 15:48.57 | Tunix2 | Rienzilla: I just ask because my current VPS is really slow and upgrading from lenny to squeeze is a nightmare. They have a super outdated linux template for their VPS |
| 15:49.53 | project2501a | can i create multiple jailed apace processes with mod_security? one per application? or is it one per virtual host? |
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| 15:50.13 | Rienzilla | ehm |
| 15:50.19 | Rienzilla | when I got the vps it was lenny |
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| 15:50.42 | un214 | easily fixed right Rienzilla |
| 15:50.43 | Rienzilla | but i upgraded it to squeeze in the meantime |
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| 15:51.04 | mjt | project2501a: once a process enters a jail it stays there forever, there's no way to escape (unless you found a bug). that should get you some starting point... (i'm not an apache expert) |
| 15:51.15 | Rienzilla | so im not sure what they come with now |
| 15:51.21 | un214 | If I get root I have a way out of a jail |
| 15:51.39 | project2501a | mjt: thanks! |
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| 15:58.28 | Tunix2 | Rienzilla: Did it ask you if you would like to replace Xs config file about 1 million times? |
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| 15:58.43 | Tunix2 | This upgrade has taken me 24 hours thus far |
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| 16:00.19 | Rienzilla | oh, no, upgrade went flawlessly |
| 16:01.48 | Tunix2 | Rienzilla: I dont understand why I couldnt just add squeeze repos, type sudo apt-get dist upgrade and walk away |
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| 16:02.44 | Rienzilla | ayeah that should work |
| 16:02.58 | project2501a | *yawn* |
| 16:03.05 | Rienzilla | maybe they have some local packages installed that break on upgrade |
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| 16:04.43 | sidh | I would need your advices : I'm facing this problem : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657990#40 , does this mean I have to install the unstable version of systemd ? |
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| 16:05.28 | abrotman | sidh: which version has hte fix? |
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| 16:06.50 | abrotman | judd: versions systemd |
| 16:06.52 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- sid: 37-1.1; wheezy: 37-1.1; experimental: 43-1 |
| 16:07.13 | abrotman | sidh: wheezy (which you have) and unstable have the same version of systemd |
| 16:07.22 | abrotman | and that bug is supposedly fixed in that version |
| 16:07.29 | sidh | abrotman: no, I'm in sid |
| 16:08.14 | sidh | so maybe I need to install systemd-sysv pkg |
| 16:09.00 | abrotman | so you're going to install random packages? |
| 16:09.03 | abrotman | did you read the whole bug report? |
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| 16:09.14 | Tunix2 | Is it normal to have to answer Y/N to hundreds of config file replacements when you upgrade with apt-get dist upgrade? http://i.imgur.com/48fXf.png |
| 16:09.19 | judgen|2 | Where can i find the wheezy netinstall x64 iso? |
| 16:09.31 | judgen|2 | i manage only to find stable |
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| 16:09.41 | sidh | abrotman: I read it , but I 'm not sure to understand the whole of it |
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| 16:10.11 | abrotman | judgen|2: you use the squeeze netinst and migrate to wheezy |
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| 16:10.55 | judgen|2 | nope, that breaks the system for me every time |
| 16:11.03 | judgen|2 | have tried ten times this weekend |
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| 16:11.30 | alo_alo | judgen|2: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 16:12.22 | judgen|2 | alo_alo: thank you, but where is the net install? |
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| 16:12.39 | alo_alo | ops it is not here? wait :) |
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| 16:13.12 | abrotman | judgen|2: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. hopefully it's not broken today |
| 16:13.59 | alo_alo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:14.21 | sidh | abrotman: it is not random, just one person posted "I guess you don't have systemd-sysv installed, i.e. halt and shutdown |
| 16:14.31 | judgen|2 | thank you, i am very grateful |
| 16:14.43 | sidh | are provided by sysvinit" |
| 16:15.30 | sidh | so i thought it was the reason why shutdown and reboot command have no effects |
| 16:16.13 | un214 | init 0 and init 6 will work in that case |
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| 16:17.16 | sidh | un214: yes of course, but that is a work around ... |
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| 16:17.43 | un214 | An old system I used to use had a 20 line script for shutdown |
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| 16:17.57 | un214 | that basically did wall followed by the appropriate init command |
| 16:18.06 | sidh | un214: sorry , init command doesn't work too |
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| 16:18.07 | judgen|2 | shutdown is not supposed to be used, use halt |
| 16:18.21 | un214 | wait what ... |
| 16:18.21 | judgen|2 | halt -t 0 = instant shutdown |
| 16:18.40 | judgen|2 | or am i missing something |
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| 16:18.53 | valdyn | "systemctl halt" |
| 16:18.54 | sidh | calling directly "systemctl poweroff" or "systemctl reboot" work |
| 16:18.57 | un214 | "could not determine runlevel. doing a hard reboot" |
| 16:18.57 | judgen|2 | sorry, i am a little bit drunk |
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| 16:20.37 | sidh | this is strange that more that one month after that break, I still should invoke systemctl directly, isn't it ? |
| 16:20.56 | sidh | more thaN one month |
| 16:22.30 | un214 | you know, that would piss me off a lot |
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| 16:22.44 | Tunix2 | What is the command to show me my OS version? |
| 16:22.50 | un214 | uname -a |
| 16:22.52 | Tunix2 | I tried several unames |
| 16:23.07 | valdyn | Tunix2: theres no good command, theres only some educated guessing tools |
| 16:23.11 | Tunix2 | True |
| 16:23.17 | valdyn | Tunix2: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:23.21 | babilen | !tell Tunix2 -about version |
| 16:23.26 | valdyn | Tunix2: apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 16:24.19 | abrotman | Tunix2: lsb_release -a |
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| 16:27.09 | Tunix2 | Would anyone know why I wouldnt be able to find OpenJDK-7-jre? I dud apt-cache search JRE and the only things that came up where openjdk-6-jre |
| 16:27.47 | valdyn | judd_ versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 16:27.57 | valdyn | judd: versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 16:27.58 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7~u3-2.1-3; wheezy: 7~u3-2.1-3 |
| 16:28.14 | Tunix2 | Oh so it is only for wheezy? |
| 16:28.49 | Tunix2 | I am not 100% sure how to interpret that lol |
| 16:29.03 | Woet | my dmesg is filled with this, any idea? [1805792.365043] rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target |
| 16:29.49 | sidh | valdyn: even with systemctl reboot/poweroff, it fails : "Failed to get D-BUS connexion: No connection to service manager" |
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| 16:30.19 | babilen | Tunix2: That is correct. The OpenJDK 7 package is not available in squeeze, but only in wheezy (testing) or sid (unstable) |
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| 16:30.43 | Tunix2 | babilen: I will just settle for 6 then I suppose... |
| 16:31.04 | valdyn | sidh: i dont know enough about systemd to help you |
| 16:31.31 | valdyn | sidh: but beside that thats probably less offtopic in #debian-next |
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| 16:32.14 | injureddeer | CREATE TABLE psadpol( id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, PRIMARY KEY(id), network text, as text, description text); |
| 16:32.17 | injureddeer | what is wrong? |
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| 16:32.39 | sidh | valdyn: I must be invited to join that channel |
| 16:32.47 | valdyn | sidh: on oftc |
| 16:32.57 | sidh | ok |
| 16:33.01 | un214 | PRIMARY KEY should be after all columns |
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| 16:33.23 | injureddeer | mysql> CREATE TABLE psadpol( id INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, PRIMARY KEY(id), ip text, country text); |
| 16:33.26 | injureddeer | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.06 sec) |
| 16:33.29 | injureddeer | so why it work? |
| 16:33.37 | abrotman | injureddeer: ask the database channel ? |
| 16:33.40 | injureddeer | but with this 3 dont work/ |
| 16:34.08 | abrotman | injureddeer: ask #mysql, they'd probably know more |
| 16:35.10 | abrotman | suspects something in there is a reserved word |
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| 16:42.13 | Woet | my dmesg is filled with this, any idea? [1805792.365043] rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target |
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| 16:46.00 | _ramo | hi |
| 16:46.09 | _ramo | where do i configure the apache modules in debian squeeze? |
| 16:46.19 | abrotman | _ramo: man a2enmod |
| 16:46.25 | taiyal | In the debian install, when I am prompted to insert a USB drive containing "b43/ucode15.fw" and "b43-open/ucode15.fw", who provides those files? |
| 16:46.47 | _ramo | abrotman: thanks.... and where can i see currently active modules? |
| 16:46.51 | taiyal | can I extract them with b43-fwcutter on an existing linux machine and transfer them that way? |
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| 16:49.30 | taiyal | Where can I obtain the "b43/ucode15.fw" referred to by the debian installation process? |
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| 16:54.49 | Tunix2 | Is there a good debain application where I can monitor bandwith and if possible get some cool charts and graphs? |
| 16:55.19 | babilen | taiyal: You need to work on this after the initial installation. Please read http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx -- you probably need to install one of the fiwmare-b43* packages. |
| 16:55.27 | koisoke | taiyal: there is a fetcher and extractor in contrib called firmware-b43-installer |
| 16:55.33 | Woet | my dmesg is filled with this, any idea? [1805792.365043] rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target |
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| 16:56.08 | taiyal | I actually found a way to obtain b43/ucode15.fw and will be posting it online |
| 16:56.12 | taiyal | using b43-fwcutter |
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| 16:56.30 | taiyal | because this way I can install debian without needing a wired connection |
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| 16:57.16 | chuy | hi all |
| 16:58.32 | _ramo | hmmm |
| 16:58.37 | chuy | i want to build a debian distro based whit sid repositories and the kernel /liquorix.net |
| 16:58.45 | babilen | taiyal: b43-fwcutter is cumbersome and still requires you to have a usable system. (i.e. It can't be done during the installation) -- I wouldn't pursue this way, but just install one of the firmware-b43* packages (whatever is applicable for your card) |
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| 16:59.09 | milord80 | !list |
| 16:59.10 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 16:59.14 | babilen | taiyal: Please also note that the stable installer does *not* support WPA encrypted wireless networks. |
| 16:59.22 | injureddeer | someone have nmap and can scan me? |
| 16:59.25 | taiyal | seriously? |
| 16:59.28 | milord80 | !lista |
| 16:59.46 | taiyal | luckily I'm using testing so |
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| 16:59.59 | babilen | taiyal: Seriously -- Do you plan to connect to a WPA encrypted network? Is it problematic to connect to the internet via ethernet? |
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| 17:00.34 | taiyal | it doesn't matter what I personally think babilen, I see people online trying to do the same thing at http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ucode15.fw&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.debian.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D17%26t%3D60697&ei=p_1tT8eQK4H00gGaibjmBg&usg=AFQjCNE2M1KwTtjOAQc2KeSd8_Qzv_sdfA so I will be responding there |
| 17:00.46 | taiyal | sorry about that link |
| 17:00.57 | taiyal | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60697 |
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| 17:02.13 | babilen | taiyal: You shouldn't use the testing installer as it is *not* meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer. It might or might not work and I often hear complains -- The recommended way to install testing (if at all) is to install a minmal stable system first and take it from there. You can also use the stable installer to install testing, but I am also not sure if that results in a sane system |
| 17:02.43 | chuy | anybody know a scriptbuild for make debian base distribution |
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| 17:03.14 | os_ | chuy: there is aptosid based on sid |
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| 17:03.25 | os_ | i'm working on it now |
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| 17:03.58 | babilen | taiyal: I know about b43-fwcutter and am merely saying that the firmware is automatically extracted simply by installing one of the firmware-b43* packages. If you do, however, have a usable Debian system already (which I cannot assume as you are planning to install it right now) you can acquire the firmware either manually with b43-fwcutter or by installing firmware-b43??? and copying it from /lib/firmware |
| 17:04.30 | babilen | taiyal: But back to my initial question: Is it not possible to connect to via ethernet? |
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| 17:07.36 | Woet | my dmesg is filled with this, any idea? [1805792.365043] rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target |
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| 17:07.42 | chuy | os_: have aptosid the kernel liquorix |
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| 17:08.07 | os_ | it has sh |
| 17:08.21 | os_ | 3.2-1.slh.3-aptosid-686 |
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| 17:08.50 | os_ | slh |
| 17:09.52 | cantoma | hey guys, i am trying to configure my microphone in my console based debian and I am facing a few problems. First the microphone is plugged into the correct micro entrance and until now I did not managed to record any sound at all. Until now I have followed this how to => http://linuxconfig.org/how-to-test-microphone-with-audio-linux-sound-architecture-alsa however it doesn't seem to work. Could someone with some experience help?! |
| 17:11.08 | cantoma | So just break things i have did: 1) arecord -d 10 /tmp/test-mic.wav 2) i spoke frenetically to the micro 3) aplay /tmp/test-mic.wav. The last step shows no output. |
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| 17:11.51 | taiyal | babilen: I just used b43-fwcutter to get the firmware files, put them on a thumb drive, continue the installation process for Debian _and_ get WPA working |
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| 17:13.54 | chuy | os_:I'll explain why I make my own distribution based on Debian, sell computers and laptops, and I want caracteriscas installers for each use, |
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| 17:14.19 | os_ | hmm |
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| 17:14.23 | anddam | hello |
| 17:14.29 | os_ | don't know |
| 17:14.45 | daemonkeeper | chuy: You can preseed installations as you like. |
| 17:14.45 | cantoma | other thing: If I hit the microphone with my hands I can ear sound in my speakers |
| 17:14.49 | anddam | do changes to hosts.deny became immediately effective? |
| 17:15.06 | anddam | I have a dictionary ssh dictionary attack on my VPS |
| 17:15.13 | judgen | chuy: There is very little point in making your own debian distro, just make good install scripts for the defaults and you are done |
| 17:15.43 | daemonkeeper | Letting alone maintaining a distribution is a huge task |
| 17:15.55 | judgen | indeed |
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| 17:16.10 | Daniel0108 | Hey, I'm currently installing debian on my dell XPS 17 but it's stuck at the "resizing partition..." Screen for more than 30mins now. I don't want to lose any data... What to do? |
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| 17:16.39 | chuy | i have distribution a named orvitux |
| 17:16.49 | judgen|2 | I just wont catch a break... Everytime i install debian it is smooth during the install, then after install when KMS kicks in i get distorted picture |
| 17:16.59 | babilen | taiyal: I take it that it is hard to connect via ethernet in that case? (Please, just answer this single question. I asked it a couple of times already .... OK? Please?) |
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| 17:17.13 | chuy | http://orvitux.com.mx/inicio/ |
| 17:17.47 | taiyal | babilen: sorry, I disconnected earlier while you were probably asking that. No, it's still just as easy to connect over ethernet as well in that case; in fact, the Debian installer will prompt you as to which one to use |
| 17:17.48 | chuy | but now i want to change base |
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| 17:18.27 | foxtrot9 | which package provides g++? |
| 17:18.41 | judgen|2 | my old distro was called moosys, but even with 25 people it was still a daunting tasj |
| 17:18.44 | judgen|2 | task* |
| 17:19.15 | Daniel0108 | Can anybody help me please? |
| 17:19.40 | babilen | taiyal: Ok, I mean it is entirely up to you, but I would strongly recommend to use the *stable* installer and use that to install *squeeze*. If you need to connect via WPA you can use the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto), but I would actually recommend to connect via ethernet. There are many other variables (do you want/need a newer kernel) that influence this decision as well. |
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| 17:20.05 | WinstonSmith | Daniel0108: resizing partitions can take a very long time, depending on the amount of data |
| 17:20.22 | judgen|2 | how do i disable kms in debian? |
| 17:20.28 | judgen|2 | my laptop does not support it |
| 17:20.39 | judgen|2 | and it makes the system unbootable |
| 17:20.44 | babilen | taiyal: *I* would probably just install a minimal stable system with the normal installer, install firmware-b43* (whichever you need) and make the switch to testing/sid. (Please note that testing/wheezy receives *no* security support whatsoever) |
| 17:21.25 | taiyal | well that's cool for you but not everyone has access to a wired connection during installation [i.e. if they only can get wireless internet at a cafe or library] |
| 17:21.32 | chuy | its hard mantain a distro, but worth it |
| 17:21.33 | WinstonSmith | judgen|2: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 17:21.34 | Daniel0108 | Is it normal that it still says "Resizing partition..." And that the progress bar is at 0 with "Please wait..." On it? |
| 17:21.35 | taiyal | and my method works, so I'm posting it |
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| 17:22.11 | judgen|2 | Daniel0108: if the partition is very fragmented, yes |
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| 17:22.34 | judgen|2 | it might take up to an hour if you are unlucky |
| 17:22.35 | Daniel0108 | Okay.. it just finished, just the progressbar doesnt work, lol |
| 17:22.35 | WinstonSmith | Daniel0108: if there is hdd activity, leave it a couple of hours |
| 17:22.56 | Daniel0108 | Thanks :) |
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| 17:23.42 | chuy | all i need a script to build a distro based de debian, |
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| 17:24.23 | chuy | to begin testing |
| 17:25.17 | babilen | taiyal: Yes, it works but assumes that you are running Linux already. I am not trying to prevent you from posting "your" method (as it is as valid as any other) -- You just shouldn't advertise using the testing installer. (that I am adamant about) |
| 17:25.37 | taiyal | okay, I added that as a caveat in the installation |
| 17:26.00 | taiyal | but at the very least now people have an idea of where to start from, as before there was nothing usable from the google search "ucode15.fw debian install" |
| 17:26.28 | taiyal | I don't see why it wouldn't work on stable too since we're using the same firmware images |
| 17:27.32 | babilen | !tell taiyal -about knuto |
| 17:27.34 | babilen | !tell taiyal -about kmuto |
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| 17:27.56 | babilen | taiyal: Recommend that installer -- it is a stable installer with a newer kernel and WPA(2) support |
| 17:29.14 | babilen | taiyal: The method to acquire the firmware is the same (how would it not) -- The main thing is that WPA* is not supported by the standard stable (i.e. non-kmuto) installers. |
| 17:29.30 | anddam | Daniel0108: what are you doing? |
| 17:29.44 | anddam | Daniel0108: nvm, I was high in the history |
| 17:30.19 | Daniel0108 | anddam: installing debian on my XPS 17, I hope it works now :/ |
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| 17:32.49 | foxtrot9 | which package provides the wxWidgets? I'm trying to compile a program and I get this, wxWidgets must be installed on your system. |
| 17:34.07 | Woet | my dmesg is filled with this, any idea? [1805792.365043] rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target |
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| 17:35.29 | Daniel0108 | Network mirrors give me "bad archive mirror" on squeeze installation... Connected to ethernet, btw |
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| 17:36.15 | Woet | Daniel0108: tried another one? |
| 17:36.18 | Marezz | Is it ok to do move from stable to sid? |
| 17:36.26 | Marezz | or I have to go testing and then sid? |
| 17:36.42 | anddam | Marezz: what does dpkg say about? |
| 17:36.49 | Daniel0108 | Woet: yes, austria and even germany |
| 17:37.04 | Daniel0108 | Us mirror, same |
| 17:37.49 | Woet | Daniel0108: dns works too? |
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| 17:39.05 | Daniel0108 | Woet: should work. Syslig says WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze) |
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| 17:39.15 | Daniel0108 | *syslog |
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| 17:39.49 | Woet | Daniel0108: try it. |
| 17:40.29 | Daniel0108 | Woet: can you resolve ftp.ar.debian.org for me, then? :p |
| 17:40.41 | Marezz | Is it ok to do move from stable to sid or I have to do testing then sid? |
| 17:40.50 | Woet | Daniel0108: Host ftp.ar.debian.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 17:40.55 | Daniel0108 | O.o |
| 17:41.04 | Daniel0108 | Oh, at, i mean |
| 17:41.10 | Daniel0108 | Not ar |
| 17:41.25 | Woet | Daniel0108: works, but I was talking whether DNS resolving works on the machine |
| 17:41.39 | Daniel0108 | How can I test? |
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| 17:42.14 | Woet | Daniel0108: "host ftp.at.debian.org" in the shell of the installer, ALT + F4 or ALT + 4 if I remember correctly |
| 17:42.27 | lusers | I want to buy my first NAS. Does anybody know if ReadyNAS will work with lvm + cryptsetup? (Or I'm not looking for ReadyNAS?) |
| 17:42.29 | Daniel0108 | I'll finish installation first, then |
| 17:42.45 | JOHNYY | http://www.wix.com/jetomestil/hot-ass-collection THE HOTTEST ASS IN THE WORLD---MUST WATCH |
| 17:43.06 | Eninem | lol |
| 17:43.06 | foxtrot9 | good lord... |
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| 17:43.38 | foxtrot9 | back to our regularly scheduled program, debian questions :D |
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| 17:45.00 | lusers | I GOT A HOTTEST DEBIAN QUESTION IN THE WORLD -- MUST ANSWER. Anybody with Debian use NAS? Will ReadyNAS work with cryptsetup + lvm2 or do I want to build my own Debian NAS? |
| 17:46.42 | foxtrot9 | lol nice one |
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| 17:48.47 | frostschutz | lusers: I built my own... never heard of readynas before though :) |
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| 17:49.11 | judgen|2 | NAS works fine with debian lenny.. of that i am certain |
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| 17:51.43 | lusers | frostschutz: I see. I'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822122010 (and because I recently discovered the awesomeness power of NFS + Autofs…. I now realized I want a NAS for backup + NFS on /home/user/ ) |
| 17:52.36 | ashley_w | what's with these untrusted warnings for apt-get? everything i install has it. |
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| 17:55.30 | jhutchins_wk | There needs to be an X utility that will warn you when you're getting close to a mandatory disk check so it's not a big surprise when you reboot. |
| 17:56.34 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: well you can find out simple enough but with enough partitions all reboots need an fsck |
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| 18:00.17 | dvs | jhutchins_wk: I just change the parameters so that it only happens once every 6 months! |
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| 18:05.35 | LtL | ashley_w: check for the signing key with this command, 'dpkg -s debian-archive-keyring' |
| 18:07.02 | ashley_w | LtL: seems to say it's okay. don't have gnupg installed, though. |
| 18:07.25 | Woet | my dmesg is filled with this, any idea? [1805792.365043] rt6_redirect: source isn't a valid nexthop for redirect target |
| 18:07.52 | ashley_w | nevermind. i do have it |
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| 18:09.24 | LtL | ashley_w: I would recommend installing it. packagename gnupg |
| 18:09.47 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, but when you've got a big disk or you're in a hurry to do something it's a pain to have to wait. I could do it deliberately when it's due. |
| 18:10.01 | jhutchins_wk | I tend to have long uptimes, so I get caught.\ |
| 18:10.03 | Big_Brother | if i have firefox in a different location how do i get Adobe's flash player to be used? |
| 18:10.19 | ashley_w | LtL: no, i said it's actually installed. |
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| 18:10.54 | dvs | jhutchins_wk: Well, if you have long uptimes, it's gonna happen whenever you reboot |
| 18:11.03 | LtL | ashley_w: try 'sudo aptitude install debian-archive-keyring' the multimedia key is also available, apt-cache search gnupg |
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| 18:12.54 | ashley_w | LtL: "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." |
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| 18:13.54 | LtL | ashley_w: your /etc/apt/sources.list may need some tweaking, is this a fresh install? |
| 18:14.19 | LtL | ashley_w: that key shouls be installed by default! |
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| 18:15.23 | ashley_w | LtL: yes, fresh install (chroot). have the keys. |
| 18:16.40 | LtL | ashley_w: your sources should have main contrib non-free, possibly being in a chroot may be causing this, i'm not sure. |
| 18:16.53 | mycae | Hi, Im trying to debug a problem with pavucontrol 0.99.2-1 -- pavucontrol loads, then just sits there saying "please wait" forever (or at least a few hrs :) ). Ive worked out that PA is not generating a callback for the pa_context_connect, other than the PA_CONTEXT_CONNECTING -- anyone know what is going on? I have NFI re PA. |
| 18:17.06 | cnx | apt-get libstdc++ gives me an error |
| 18:17.07 | mycae | it was working fine before I updated |
| 18:17.11 | cnx | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libstdc++6-4.4-dbg : Conflicts: libstdc++6-4.3-dbg but 4.3.5-4 is to be installed libstdc++6-4.4-doc : Conflicts: libstdc++6-4.3-doc but 4.3.5-4 is to be installed |
| 18:17.15 | cnx | E: Broken packages |
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| 18:17.56 | dvs | cnx: Sounds like you're mixing versions |
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| 18:18.06 | cnx | dvs how is that? its a new install |
| 18:18.13 | jhutchins_wk | dvs: Even if you reboot daily it can sneak up on you. I'm just saying an indicator in X would be nice to have. |
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| 18:19.31 | cnx | dvs: i downloaded firefox and ran it, and it complained about libstdc++ |
| 18:19.38 | cnx | dvs so im trying to resovle it |
| 18:19.41 | cnx | i just installed debian an hour ago |
| 18:19.50 | mycae | cnx: where did you dl firefox from? |
| 18:19.54 | cnx | firefox.com |
| 18:20.02 | jhutchins_wk | It'd also be nice if it would ask a certain number of times before it forced the check. |
| 18:20.04 | cnx | because apt-get install firefox doesnt exist |
| 18:20.06 | mycae | not happy with iceweasel? |
| 18:20.11 | mycae | which is firefox? |
| 18:20.13 | cnx | the default browser? |
| 18:20.14 | nkuttler | cnx: libstdc++6-4.5* is not in stable |
| 18:20.17 | dvs | jhutchins: I agree |
| 18:20.26 | cnx | i just like to keep it standard with other boxes |
| 18:20.27 | nkuttler | !tell cnx about iceweasel |
| 18:20.31 | cnx | so i can restore/backup bookmarks |
| 18:20.37 | mycae | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
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| 18:20.53 | jhutchins_wk | cnx: iceweasel is firefox. |
| 18:20.57 | cnx | all i see is epiphany installed |
| 18:20.59 | cnx | default |
| 18:21.04 | mick_laptop | cnx: using stable (debian)? |
| 18:21.09 | cnx | mick_laptop: right |
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| 18:21.14 | nkuttler | cnx: no you're not |
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| 18:21.18 | mick_laptop | add this to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:21.21 | mick_laptop | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 18:21.21 | mick_laptop | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 18:21.24 | cnx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.38 | mick_laptop | you will get a recent version of iceweasel (rebranded firefox) |
| 18:21.54 | mick_laptop | otherwise you get 3.5 |
| 18:22.15 | mycae | cnx, its almost never a good idea to DL binaries from the internet |
| 18:22.21 | mycae | unless you are sure you know what you are doing. |
| 18:22.28 | cnx | mycae: firefox is the maker |
| 18:22.32 | cnx | mozilla |
| 18:22.32 | mick_laptop | using mozilla.debian.net you get 11 |
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| 18:22.47 | mycae | yes, but debian compiles with different libraries, and applies debian patches |
| 18:22.50 | mick_laptop | mycae: what? |
| 18:22.52 | ashley_w | LtL: oh well. thanks anyway. i suppose i'll just ignore it |
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| 18:23.26 | LtL | ashley_w: I wouldn't do that, are you using trusted sources? |
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| 18:23.32 | cnx | W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 18:23.36 | mycae | mick_laptop, he has mixed binaries, and thus dl loading is not working - not a surprise. Unless you check the library versions by hand, you can't expect random binaries to work. |
| 18:23.37 | cnx | after apt-get update with new sources.lst |
| 18:23.39 | cnx | comprised host? |
| 18:23.41 | cnx | compromised |
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| 18:23.48 | mick_laptop | cnx: like I said add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then do "aptitude update" and then an "aptitude install iceweasel" |
| 18:23.49 | dvs | cnx: that's a warning |
| 18:24.09 | mick_laptop | mycae: ok, just the way you worded that sounded really stupid |
| 18:24.19 | dvs | cnx: go to http://mozilla.debian.net/ to prevent the message from coming up again. |
| 18:24.32 | nkuttler | cnx: read the instructions on their page. also doubtful that you can install this with your releases mix |
| 18:24.33 | mick_laptop | the "don't download binaries" comment can be interpreted in another way |
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| 18:25.02 | mycae | you should use your package manager, unless you are sure you know better. |
| 18:25.07 | mick_laptop | cnx: you need to add their gpg key |
| 18:25.23 | Big_Brother | if i have firefox in a different location how do i get Adobe's flash player to be used? |
| 18:25.24 | mick_laptop | mycae: couldn't agree more ^^^ |
| 18:25.35 | cnx | nkuttler: how is my release mixed when i already told you its a new install |
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| 18:25.57 | ashley_w | LtL: uh, i assume it's coming from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 18:26.00 | mick_laptop | cnx: no idea what he was talking about ;) |
| 18:26.01 | dvs | cnx: you downloaded the binary from a non debian repo |
| 18:26.04 | cnx | mick_laptop: :) |
| 18:26.26 | mick_laptop | dvs: he isn't using that anymore |
| 18:26.32 | dvs | good! |
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| 18:26.44 | mick_laptop | dvs: pay attention :P |
| 18:26.48 | dvs | zzzzzzzz |
| 18:26.52 | Daniel0108 | Getting ACPI: I/O resource 0000:00:1f.3 conflicts with ACPI region SMBI |
| 18:26.54 | mick_laptop | *sigh* |
| 18:27.10 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: is that an IRQ conflict? |
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| 18:28.05 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: I'm no expert in that message, but if I read it correctly - looks like that is what it is |
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| 18:28.22 | LtL | ashley_w: do you have a desktop gui? open synaptic and search for gpg, install keys that are from your sources.list, synaptic will also show keys installed. you can do this using cli also. |
| 18:28.23 | Daniel0108 | I'm not sure... |
| 18:28.37 | Daniel0108 | What to do, mick_laptop |
| 18:29.25 | LtL | ashley_w: remember to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade your fresh install also. |
| 18:29.37 | ashley_w | LtL: no, just doing a CLI system. server stuff (non-production testing) |
| 18:30.11 | LtL | ashley_w: you should paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:30.46 | ashley_w | LtL: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 18:31.24 | ashley_w | LtL: update && upgrade : already up to date |
| 18:31.33 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: that happened after installing nvidia drivers and now I can't even use recovery mode anymore |
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| 18:33.43 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: shutdown and look in the BIOS |
| 18:34.03 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: do you know what an IRQ conflict is? |
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| 18:34.18 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: it runs fine when i disconnect my charger o.o |
| 18:34.23 | LtL | ashley_w: you should have security updates repo also |
| 18:34.41 | Daniel0108 | Probably my hybrid gpu, then |
| 18:34.55 | judgen|2 | hihi i am an butt |
| 18:35.08 | judgen | stop it louise |
| 18:35.29 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: check procinfo and see if you have something conflicting in there |
| 18:35.34 | judgen | it was not funny before and sure damn is not now |
| 18:35.53 | mick_laptop | or: cat /proc/interrupt |
| 18:36.10 | judgen|2 | shut up dan, i decide what is funny |
| 18:36.30 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop, only recovery mode does, though |
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| 18:37.01 | judgen | no, general concensus think that you are silly |
| 18:37.02 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: like I said, your BIOS will also be able to help see what is going on |
| 18:37.14 | mick_laptop | unplug the culperit :) |
| 18:37.25 | judgen|2 | whatever |
| 18:37.43 | ashley_w | LtL: that's nice. i have no idea how to add things from vague instructions, as i haven't really used debian before |
| 18:37.53 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop, proc interrupt is empty |
| 18:38.08 | judgen|2 | this is no fun, i do not get why you chat with this app when skype is easier |
| 18:38.26 | judgen | short answer, less r-tards |
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| 18:38.51 | judgen | atleast change nickname |
| 18:38.57 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: how does bios help me? |
| 18:39.01 | judgen|2 | how? |
| 18:39.08 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: it could be that they went away w/ certain things when they moved to APCI |
| 18:39.12 | judgen | ./nick *anyname* |
| 18:39.26 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: I haven't seen an IRQ conflict in years |
| 18:39.30 | judgen|2 | ./nick Lobis |
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| 18:39.37 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: what to do? |
| 18:39.38 | judgen|2 | did it work? |
| 18:39.46 | judgen | no dot.... |
| 18:39.55 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: the BIOS has a section on IRQs |
| 18:40.05 | Lobis | now then? |
| 18:40.07 | LtL | ashley_w: here's my sources.list http://pastebin.com/Brj6bBpH |
| 18:40.14 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: no... |
| 18:40.32 | mick_laptop | ok, they used to have a section there w/ IRQs :-/ |
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| 18:40.47 | mick_laptop | telling you what was on what IRQ |
| 18:41.00 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: i dont even have bios :p |
| 18:41.10 | mick_laptop | then EFI |
| 18:41.18 | Daniel0108 | Yep |
| 18:41.30 | mick_laptop | then it should (in theory) be in there\ |
| 18:41.37 | mick_laptop | but you get my point |
| 18:42.51 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: but it has worked before i installed and uninstalled nvidia drivers |
| 18:43.04 | judgen | Soon the largest tv event in the world (except the olympics wich is several days) will be on.... i hope sweden loses |
| 18:43.21 | judgen | it is expensive as shit to host the ESC |
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| 18:45.53 | ashley_w | LtL: thx |
| 18:46.08 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: try another driver? |
| 18:46.33 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: like I said before, my knowledge is dated and it might not apply anymore |
| 18:46.38 | Daniel0108 | Mick_laptop: doing that right now |
| 18:46.43 | mick_laptop | it just looked like an IRQ conflict |
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| 18:47.04 | mick_laptop | I'm not sure if people still get those |
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| 18:48.56 | ashley_w | yuck... apache tries to start by default. |
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| 18:50.27 | Big_Brother | I've installed the adobe flash player but it's not working. |
| 18:51.29 | daemonkeeper | ashley_w: What would you expect it to do? |
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| 18:53.05 | ashley_w | daemonkeeper: not start just because it's installed |
| 18:53.18 | daemonkeeper | ashley_w: It does so for fresh installations only. |
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| 18:54.45 | sKeiths | dpkg -l | grep -i flash shows ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin what command do i run to remove this player, as i think it it causeing high cpu issues. |
| 18:54.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -i flash shows ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin what command do i run to remove this player, as i think it it causeing high cpu issues. |
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| 18:56.16 | LtL | ashley_w: hope that helps. btw, use gpg for personal file encryption, it rocks and easy to do, all command line stuff. but install those repo keys, use apt-cache search regex to find stuff. |
| 18:56.37 | rozie | sKeiths: I'd use rather some ad blocking tool |
| 18:57.04 | rozie | most flash object on web pages are ads... |
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| 18:57.11 | sKeiths | i have adblock plaus installled in my iceweasel |
| 18:57.32 | judgen | imtaking the hobbits to isengard!!!!!! |
| 18:57.40 | sKeiths | adblock plus. sorry for typo |
| 18:57.57 | ashley_w | LtL: yes, i use gpg for some things. wish gpg-agent wouldn |
| 18:58.11 | Lobis | judgen: do you mean this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VznlDlNPw4Q |
| 18:58.13 | LtL | ashley_w: easy way, install rcconf and disable apache2 on boot, /etc/init.d/apache2 start when you need it. |
| 18:58.25 | mick_laptop | Daniel0108: good luck, I g/g now |
| 18:58.27 | rozie | sKeiths: you can disable flash in the browser |
| 18:58.30 | ashley_w | LtL: yes, i use gpg for some things. wish gpg-agent was configurable to just listen in one terminal. |
| 18:58.31 | mick_laptop | let me know what haoppens |
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| 18:58.39 | LtL | ashley_w: i despise gpg-agent, don't use it |
| 18:58.44 | rozie | command to remove is apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:58.47 | judgen | sadly yes, but not as long |
| 18:58.56 | sKeiths | ah, thanks. i'll try that and see if it stops the high cpu usage. |
| 19:00.56 | LtL | sKeiths: adobe flash can suck intensely, i have real good luck using gnash. |
| 19:01.01 | ashley_w | LtL: is there any sort of agent that is safer for a networked machine? surprisingly, i didn't find any info in the docs saying how bad it is |
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| 19:01.49 | rozie | well, for me flash works fine (on PIII 1GHz). don't like it as it's non free, but works fine |
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| 19:02.12 | LtL | ashley_w: umm, not that i'm aware of, depends what you're trying to achieve i guess. |
| 19:02.41 | Big_Brother | right now, gnash is sucking poop with crummy performance. |
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| 19:03.02 | sKeiths | I know it should be straight forward. but i dont know how to uninstall the dpkg package. if it was apt-get i would know how to remove it, but i cat find it in apt-get. |
| 19:03.22 | LtL | Big_Brother: yeah, it's my older ATI that likes it, others don't, dunno why. |
| 19:04.31 | LtL | sKeiths: you mean .deb package right? you don't want to remove dpkg. |
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| 19:04.42 | ashley_w | LtL: i'd want, in case someone were to get access to my computer remotely, them to have to do some low-level stuff as root to access my unlocked keys, instead of just "oh i see gpg-agent is running, lemme "find / -name "*.gpg"'" |
| 19:05.34 | LtL | ashley_w: you want ssh keys for remote ssh sessions right. |
| 19:06.00 | sKeiths | LtL, yes, the package. i can find it with dpkg -l. but i have limited experience to know how to uninstall the package |
| 19:06.22 | sKeiths | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
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| 19:06.30 | ashley_w | LtL: that, too. there's a laptop and a router i sometimes ssh into |
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| 19:07.04 | unda7v7erse | I people |
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| 19:07.56 | sKeiths | its okay.. i was forgetting a - in -- .. dpkg --remove flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:07.58 | Big_Brother | \o/ |
| 19:08.01 | unda7v7erse | Ive big issue with my OS, problem with the network drivers : lan wifi bluetooth...I want to reinstall the original configuration, I've the .iso mounted on a usb stick, some ideas? |
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| 19:08.09 | sKeiths | thank for the help |
| 19:08.54 | Big_Brother | manually copying over libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and then ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/firefox/plugins worked. :D |
| 19:08.55 | LtL | ashley_w: for the laptop and router you can just ssh into, for remote ssh connection you might want to look at this wiki. http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/SSH?highlight=(ssh)|(keys) |
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| 19:13.08 | cnx | i can't get video on /dev/vide0 do I need drivers? on debian for video? |
| 19:13.11 | cnx | 07:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d1) |
| 19:13.24 | cnx | i tried cheese/camorama/zoneminder |
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| 19:13.35 | cnx | /dev/video0 exists |
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| 19:14.13 | guardian | hmm what's best practice? crontab -e as root or use /etc/crontab.daily to invoke my backup script that operates as root? |
| 19:14.20 | LtL | ashley_w: that url doesn't work right, just type keys at the end of it |
| 19:14.30 | ashley_w | LtL: not following how that's relevent. i control everything i ssh into (all on my lan) |
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| 19:15.22 | LtL | ashley_w: then you don't need to bother provide you use strong passqords. |
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| 19:15.52 | LtL | guardian: crontab -e |
| 19:16.00 | guardian | ok thx |
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| 19:18.14 | LtL | ashley_w: if your addresses or hardware change and you get locked out i just rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts or remove the offending key on the localhost |
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| 19:20.20 | thewanderer1 | is Gadu-Gadu broken since today for anyone on Pidgin? I want to know if it's a protocol change or just a temporary failure. |
| 19:21.05 | LtL | cnx: run, lspci -nn get the bus id hex number and we'll find the correct driver, it looks like this, 1002:3e50 |
| 19:21.14 | Uurgh | I'm trying to bridge some xen domUs to particular interfaces, but after setting up the bridges, I can ping them by their IP even if the physical interfaces are down. Any advice as to why? |
| 19:21.38 | jelly-home | cnx: how is the camera connected, usb? Does it work with guvcview? |
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| 19:22.38 | jelly-home | oh, you have a PCI-based video input controller |
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| 19:23.11 | jelly-home | and you're asking in multiple channels at the same time, best of luck then |
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| 19:27.28 | Uurgh | Is this because brctl creates some hidden, virtual interface-thing that responds to the specified IP addr? |
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| 19:27.54 | foxtrot9 | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/252516/why_linux_on_the_desktop_is_dead.html#tk.rss_news ,obviously this guy has not tried debian :D |
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| 19:32.54 | LtL | foxtrot9: 30 days with ubuntu linux sounds like judicial sentencing to me ;) |
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| 19:33.11 | cnx | perl get_dvb_firmware tda10046 |
| 19:33.16 | cnx | unzip failed - unable to extract firmware at get_dvb_firmware line 729. |
| 19:33.29 | foxtrot9 | LtL, i just can't stand these articles, they are so one sided |
| 19:34.04 | LtL | foxtrot9: i swear microsoft pays these guys off sometimes. |
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| 19:35.27 | LtL | foxtrot9: they conveniently omit the 'it's free software' part. |
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| 19:36.02 | foxtrot9 | LtL, my dad actually called me today for me to get rid of windows and install linux on his desktop, i remember him saying something about windows was slow as molasses |
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| 19:37.11 | wrksx | hi ther |
| 19:38.11 | LtL | foxtrot9: I'd be slow also if i was infected with a litany of malware and viruses. |
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| 19:38.59 | foxtrot9 | LtL, and cuz its a smp dual pentium 3 on a tyan tiger motherboard :D, still chugging along |
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| 19:44.16 | Teomari | hi, is theres a way to convert http://launchpad.net/ocsinventory-server/stable-2.0/2.0.4/+download/OCSNG_UNIX_SERVER-2.0.4.tar.gz to debian package? |
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| 19:44.36 | Teomari | im currently using ubuntu 10.04 but would like to use deb package |
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| 19:46.00 | wrksx | i read somewhere about shell special command like $! |
| 19:46.19 | wrksx | to use the same command with new params or new params with a new command |
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| 19:46.46 | wrksx | I can't remember it |
| 19:46.56 | wrksx | where could I find it back ? |
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| 19:51.04 | Uurgh | could it be the case that when I run ifconfig, what I see as the bridge actually is a virtual interface, secretly connected to the bridge? |
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| 19:52.15 | craigevil | Teomari, download the source package and compile it and/or use it to create a .deb |
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| 19:53.12 | Teomari | hi craigevil: after compiling, what apps do i need to create deb? |
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| 19:54.06 | craigevil | Teomari, take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 19:54.14 | Teomari | thanks! :) |
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| 19:59.41 | kd123 | I'm installing debian via debootstrap from a live cd... Everytime debootstrap gets around to configuring gconf2, it crashes. Why would this happen? Is debootstrap memory dependent? The computer i'm installing it on only has 512MB of ram. |
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| 20:00.40 | karamba | www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXJbJeRxHo |
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| 20:02.33 | thewanderer1 | kd123, you would see an indication of OOM kills in dmesg |
| 20:03.11 | kd123 | the wanderer1, what is OOM? |
| 20:03.29 | thewanderer1 | kd123, out of memory |
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| 20:04.07 | kd123 | ah ok... how can I view dmesg in realtime? |
| 20:05.20 | jelly-home | kd123: using the real installer would probably work better with regard to RAM usage |
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| 20:06.45 | kd123 | jelly-home, that's good to know, but I can't use the real installer because I'm installing it on an encrypted partition |
| 20:07.12 | kd123 | and I'm using a cipher that the disk installer doesn't offer |
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| 20:09.33 | mithrop | hi here |
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| 20:10.34 | kd123 | thanks for the help thewanderer1 and jelly-home |
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| 20:12.28 | mithrop | I'm using Ubuntu and migrate to a Debian. I need (and want) an up to date one but almost stable so I think I'm ok for a "testing" version of Debian. I would like to have a beautiful installation but I'm not very aware of all that kind of stuff. Somebody can help me ? |
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| 20:13.23 | mjt | there's no such thing as "up to date but almost stable" |
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| 20:13.42 | mjt | neither with debian nor with anything else |
| 20:14.08 | kd123 | mithrop, I'd recommend you just install stable |
| 20:14.21 | mjt | stable + backports |
| 20:14.37 | mjt | but depends on _what_ needs to be up to date |
| 20:14.39 | kd123 | and if you need a more up-to-date package you can get it from backports |
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| 20:14.58 | kd123 | mjt, true |
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| 20:15.37 | mjt | and testing is quite "shaky", so some expirience is required to use it |
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| 20:17.01 | mithrop | mjt: what kind of experience ? what is needed ? |
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| 20:17.48 | mjt | mithrop: being able to resolve issues, basically |
| 20:17.56 | mjt | with the updates |
| 20:18.13 | mjt | !testing |
| 20:18.13 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 20:18.34 | mithrop | mjt: I want a lot of things up to date. I'm a computer sciences school, so when I want to develop, getting an old version of a framework is not a good thing for me :) |
| 20:18.52 | mjt | see what dpkg said |
| 20:20.39 | abrotman | mithrop: it's up to you, we can't stop you .. but things do break from time to time |
| 20:20.50 | kd123 | mithrop... gcc in stable is 4.4 |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | and "continuously" from above isn't accurate |
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| 20:21.42 | mjt | it is not accurate only during freeze time |
| 20:22.03 | abrotman | right, but that freeze can be anywhere from a few months to a year .. |
| 20:22.03 | mithrop | abrotman: if it breaks, I will be happy to understand how to fix it. It's the only way to become a good Linux user, isn't it ? ^^ |
| 20:22.27 | mjt | more like debian user ;) |
| 20:22.38 | abrotman | mithrop: that may be so .. but sometimes things break in very odd ways |
| 20:23.01 | mjt | nods |
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| 20:24.09 | mithrop | not really a problem. I'm ok with "fixing things" but I don't want to have to do it everyday ^^ |
| 20:24.44 | kd123 | mithrop, maybe you'd be interested in aptosid... it's based on debian sid |
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| 20:27.10 | mithrop | why it's better than a real Debian sid or a Debian Wheezy ? |
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| 20:27.34 | mjt | !aptosid |
| 20:27.35 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:28.08 | mithrop | oh ok. So, just a live version :) |
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| 20:28.23 | kd123 | mithrop, I've never used it, but I know some people who have and they like it. |
| 20:28.32 | kd123 | mithrop, no it's not just live |
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| 20:28.59 | buntunub | mithrop: it is not just a live distro |
| 20:29.12 | buntunub | you can install it |
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| 20:29.24 | kd123 | i know it comes with kde and not gnome... I'm not sure if gnome is supported |
| 20:29.26 | kd123 | it has less bugs than sid |
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| 20:30.10 | buntunub | dont agree with that kd123 but I have very rarely encountered any bugs on sid anyway' |
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| 20:30.49 | buntunub | its as or more stable than testing by my experience and bugs take less time to get fixed |
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| 20:31.44 | kd123 | buntunub, oh ok... i'm sure your right, i've never used it |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | it's still not Debian, and offtopic here |
| 20:32.00 | mithrop | ok. Something I don't really understand :) You seem to tell me that stable is better and trying to discourage me to install testing, but then giving me a distribution based on a unstable Debian. |
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| 20:33.12 | ompaul | mithrop: use debian stable, when you know how to handle after six or eight months of mad detailed work then consider (as you will be in a good position to) if you really want to use testing and or sid |
| 20:33.31 | mjt | mithrop: unstable isn't _much_ different than testing. the diff is basically a 10-day "incubation" period each package is sitting in unstable before moving to testing |
| 20:33.32 | kd123 | it was just a suggestion |
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| 20:35.34 | kd123 | well... debootstrap isn't running out of memory... it just crashes when it gets to 'Configuring gconf2' |
| 20:35.51 | kd123 | has anyone else had this issue? or know what causes it? |
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| 20:36.06 | mjt | _debootstrap_ crashes? |
| 20:36.12 | mithrop | oh ok. I understand a little bit better :) |
| 20:36.13 | mjt | it is a shell script... |
| 20:36.48 | kd123 | mjt, yeah I'm running a livecd of debian... and installing debian via debootstrap |
| 20:36.56 | kd123 | to a partition |
| 20:37.05 | mjt | i doubt your debootstrap crashes... |
| 20:37.27 | kd123 | and this is the 3rd time it's crashed the computer when it gets to 'configuring gconf2' |
| 20:37.28 | mithrop | so last question, for the installation, just the first CD is nedeed ? And I choose the "classical" of the "KDE" one, that's it ? |
| 20:37.41 | kd123 | mjt, what do you think caused it? |
| 20:37.43 | mjt | crashes the computer? |
| 20:37.52 | mjt | return -ENODETAILS; |
| 20:37.53 | ompaul | mithrop: if you want kde choose the kde cd |
| 20:38.16 | ompaul | mithrop: make sure you are connected via wire to the internet when you start so you can have the best possible experience |
| 20:38.17 | kd123 | mjt, -ENODETAILS ???? |
| 20:38.24 | abrotman | mithrop: i'd use the netinst if you have broadband, skip the tasksel steps .. then install what you need manually .. |
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| 20:40.37 | mithrop | ompaul: wire connection is not easy to use here but I will make an effort ^^ thank you |
| 20:40.48 | cheako | Hello, my /usr/lib/local folder is empty and perl assumes that's where to look for locals. I did something wrong? |
| 20:40.56 | mithrop | abrotman: netinst == classical one then update ? |
| 20:41.05 | valdyn | cheako: yes, theres never a /usr/lib/local |
| 20:41.09 | mithrop | **update of all packets |
| 20:42.02 | kd123 | well... I guess it doesn't crash, it just freezes the screen, keyboard and mouse |
| 20:42.18 | cheako | hmm, wonder why perl is... |
| 20:42.35 | valdyn | cheako: you should read error messages more carefully |
| 20:42.48 | abrotman | !tell mithrop about ig |
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| 20:45.09 | mithrop | ok thank you abrotman |
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| 20:47.48 | cga | hi all, I am configuring squeeze from "scratch" and I found a difference with lenny. Specifically there's no /tmp/user/33 and I can't remember which software enables that behavior. Can you please help? |
| 20:48.07 | yeshellothere | cga: what exactly would /tmp/user/33 be about? |
| 20:48.20 | cga | id for www-data |
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| 20:48.37 | yeshellothere | so you want user specific /tmp directories? |
| 20:48.40 | thewanderer1 | cga, there was never anything like that by default... O.o |
| 20:48.50 | cga | indeed yeshellothere |
| 20:49.02 | yeshellothere | cga: that isn't stock in any debian i am aware of |
| 20:49.17 | cga | thewanderer1: I might have enabled it by following securing debian howto |
| 20:49.23 | mjt | per-user temp dir.. it is some pam module iirc |
| 20:49.35 | cga | mjt: cool thanks. that sounds like it |
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| 20:50.17 | cga | jfyi: libpam-tmpdir |
| 20:50.22 | anddam | are the scripts in /etc/cron.* listed in a crontab? |
| 20:50.22 | cga | thanks mjt |
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| 20:50.24 | mjt | pam_tmpdir |
| 20:50.26 | mjt | yeah |
| 20:50.57 | mjt | anddam: /etc/crontab? |
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| 20:51.11 | thewanderer1 | wow, nice PAM module (and why isn't it the default?) |
| 20:51.32 | mjt | thewanderer1: google is your friend |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | thewanderer1: why woudl it matter? if your $HOME isn't available, what happens ? |
| 20:52.20 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, no no, I mean it's good for security's point of view, so it should maybe constitute a default setting? |
| 20:52.26 | mjt | how it is relevant to availablility of $HOME ? |
| 20:52.46 | anddam | mjt: correct, is there a way to edit/list it from crontab(1) |
| 20:52.48 | anddam | ? |
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| 20:53.00 | mjt | anddam: sorry? |
| 20:53.09 | abrotman | mjt: you want all users to default to /tmp/ and not have a persistant $HOME ? |
| 20:53.28 | mjt | anddam: crontab(1) is for modifying private/personal crontabs, not system crontabs |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | (which isn't really the case, since it would only disappear after a reboot) |
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| 20:53.43 | anddam | mjt: is there a proper way to edit system crontab? |
| 20:54.00 | mjt | anddam: just add your tasks to /etc/cron.*/ dirs |
| 20:54.03 | abrotman | anddam: vi ? |
| 20:54.10 | mjt | abrotman: i don't want anything from pam_tmpdir |
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| 20:54.24 | abrotman | mjt: you asked how it was related to $HOME not being available |
| 20:54.28 | anddam | abrotman: that'd be general editing, I meant some facility like visudo for sudo |
| 20:54.43 | anddam | thought cron could have something of its own |
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| 20:55.30 | mjt | visudo is sudo vi-restricted |
| 20:55.34 | ompaul | anddam: type crontab -e |
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| 20:56.05 | anddam | different topic: I've noticed an ssh dictionary attack in last two days, is there a program to monitor for unusual activity and alert me? |
| 20:56.15 | mjt | anddam: i don't want all users to have anything, and i don't use pam_tmpdir ;) |
| 20:56.16 | abrotman | anddam: fail2ban might help you |
| 20:56.17 | anddam | ompaul: but that won't edit system crontab, that I was asking about |
| 20:56.18 | mjt | err |
| 20:56.23 | mjt | abrotman: i don't want all users to have anything, and i don't use pam_tmpdir ;) |
| 20:56.26 | abrotman | mjt: i know .. i saw :) |
| 20:56.32 | anddam | abrotman: thx |
| 20:56.58 | mjt | besides, it defaults to HOME=/ |
| 20:57.03 | abrotman | mjt: i just said that creating a $HOME in /tmp/ wouldn't be much different than when your $HOME isn't there and you get dropped to / and you can create your own /tmp/USER/ |
| 20:57.32 | mjt | and the case when your home is unavailable is, well, wrong and needs to be fixed by the system administrator |
| 20:57.43 | abrotman | mjt: wish someone would tell ours :) |
| 20:57.43 | mjt | (ie, root) |
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| 20:57.54 | mjt | heh |
| 20:58.05 | mjt | _finally_ i see what do you mean :)) |
| 20:58.15 | abrotman | mjt: i have access to dozens of systems where users don't have a $HOME, and they drop to / |
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| 20:59.55 | TheWarden | Hi, I have an external USB hard drive that I want my Debian system to auto mount at boot up. Would this be best accomplished using AutoFs? |
| 21:00.17 | catnip | the debian netinstall is saying my network doesn't use dhcp, which i'm pretty sure it does.... |
| 21:00.20 | abrotman | or put it in //etc/fstab |
| 21:00.26 | TheWarden | presently it does auto mount but I need to be logged in. |
| 21:00.27 | catnip | its the netinstall with non-free drivers |
| 21:00.35 | abrotman | catnip: it could be authorized by MAC ? |
| 21:00.44 | catnip | its not |
| 21:00.50 | catnip | if i know what you mean |
| 21:00.54 | TheWarden | abrotman: yes fstab sound like a good solution to me. |
| 21:01.07 | catnip | is it something wrong because its wireless-n? |
| 21:01.30 | abrotman | the driver might not be available for fully functional |
| 21:01.56 | catnip | the fedora livecd works :P |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | and that relates to Debian how ? |
| 21:03.36 | catnip | i'm saying the drivers should be available |
| 21:03.38 | catnip | it didn't ask me for drivers like the other livecd did |
| 21:03.43 | catnip | i'm sorry |
| 21:03.45 | catnip | netinstall |
| 21:03.48 | catnip | not livec |
| 21:03.50 | catnip | d |
| 21:03.56 | cro | I always mount manually; use pmount to mount as user |
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| 21:04.29 | abrotman | catnip: okay, can you finish the installer anyway and try to configure the network after the install ? |
| 21:04.40 | catnip | ok |
| 21:04.52 | cro | configure the network? |
| 21:04.56 | catnip | its stuck on "retreiving file 1 of 1" |
| 21:05.23 | cro | how do I activate the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | cro: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 21:05.56 | cro | thx. |
| 21:06.32 | cro | if I wanna install the newest kernel which one is the right for amd64 ?: |
| 21:06.39 | cro | linux-image-2.6-amd64_3.2+44_i386.deb |
| 21:06.46 | cro | linux-image-2.6-amd64_3.2+44_amd64.deb |
| 21:06.48 | abrotman | linux-image-amd64 |
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| 21:06.59 | cheako | I should try posting the error msg, :) http://pastebin.com/rrrfFbjy |
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| 21:07.07 | cro | linux-image-amd64_3.2+44_amd64.deb? |
| 21:07.10 | abrotman | linux-image-amd64 |
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| 21:07.16 | abrotman | does he intentionally ignore stuff ? |
| 21:07.24 | cro | what does the amd64 - i386 mean? |
| 21:07.32 | cro | and what the 2.6 - 3.1? |
| 21:07.33 | catnip | does amd64 work the same as x86-64? |
| 21:07.43 | abrotman | cro: linux-image-amd64 .. that's it .. just use it |
| 21:07.46 | cro | yes it is the same |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | catnip: yes |
| 21:07.50 | catnip | ok |
| 21:08.04 | cheako | cro: the 2.6 - 3.1 is nothing. |
| 21:08.10 | catnip | i don't have an amd processor so... |
| 21:08.19 | cro | other identifier for the same thing with Deb/rh |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | catnip: amd64 is for intel x86_64 also |
| 21:08.27 | cro | dowsn`t mind |
| 21:08.39 | cheako | cro: Linus just declared one day that "Today is 3.0.0" |
| 21:08.40 | cro | intel has implemented the amd64 architecture for PCs |
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| 21:08.41 | catnip | thanks :) that's what i thought |
| 21:08.41 | catnip | i was just making sure |
| 21:08.45 | cro | and ia64 for servers |
| 21:08.51 | catnip | ok |
| 21:08.54 | abrotman | and amd64 for servers ... |
| 21:08.56 | catnip | its an i3 |
| 21:09.03 | abrotman | cro: did you fix your problem yet? |
| 21:09.13 | abrotman | cheako: what's the issue? |
| 21:09.24 | cro | yes; thx; however I am still wondering about the many kernel flavours |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | cro: i already gave you the answer |
| 21:09.40 | cro | what does linux-image-amd64_3.2+44_i386.deb mean? |
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| 21:09.44 | cheako | abrotman: /usr/lib/local folder is empty ^^^^ 15:40 |
| 21:09.46 | cro | is it amd64 or i386? |
| 21:09.50 | abrotman | cro: that's the package version |
| 21:10.07 | abrotman | and it's for the i386 system with an amd64 kernel .. 32bit userland, 64bit kernel |
| 21:10.08 | catnip | it says amd64 in it cro |
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| 21:10.17 | cro | why is there an i386 and amd64 version with i386 and amd64 arch? |
| 21:10.22 | cro | 4 combinations |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | there aren't four combinations |
| 21:10.38 | cheako | Regardless I can't find LC_MEASURMENT anywhere. |
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| 21:10.49 | abrotman | cheako: that's normal unless you've compiled something ? |
| 21:11.00 | cro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.00 | cro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.00 | cro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.00 | cro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:11.18 | cheako | abrotman: I'm getting an warning from perl. |
| 21:11.31 | cheako | Like 22 |
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| 21:11.41 | abrotman | cheako: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 21:12.17 | threadlock | emdebian, I want to install it onto a thin client (i386) with 192M flash disk, am I correct in putting http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/emdebian/grip/i386/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso on a stick and booting auto install with url=http://www.emdebian.org/d-i/squeeze/preseed.cfg ? |
| 21:13.00 | cheako | abrotman: Empty. |
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| 21:13.08 | abrotman | cheako: it's a program to run |
| 21:13.21 | anddam | is /var/archives a default debian directory? |
| 21:13.31 | abrotman | threadlock: you'd probably do better to ask the #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:13.31 | cheako | however en isn't in the list. |
| 21:13.38 | abrotman | anddam: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 21:13.46 | abrotman | cheako: right, so pick one that is ? |
| 21:13.51 | threadlock | abrotman: ah, thanks |
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| 21:14.31 | anddam | nope, /var/archives |
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| 21:14.48 | abrotman | anddam: don't think that exists from Debian packages? |
| 21:14.58 | abrotman | i could be wrong .. there was a /var/backups/ ... might still be there |
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| 21:15.04 | anddam | nvm, user owned, I created it by hand |
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| 21:15.37 | cheako | abrotman: I didn't choose anything, FAIK. |
| 21:15.46 | abrotman | you should |
| 21:15.51 | whitey | why hello all gays |
| 21:15.57 | whitey | how are we today |
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| 21:16.19 | abrotman | whitey: Have a Debian question ? |
| 21:16.50 | whitey | maybe |
| 21:17.05 | whitey | that all depends on what constitutes a debian question |
| 21:17.24 | abrotman | whitey: please go play somewhere else, try #defocus |
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| 21:19.07 | catnip | now how do i configure the network from the command line |
| 21:19.08 | catnip | should i log in as root? |
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| 21:19.09 | anddam | abrotman: correct /var/backups is there, is it needed? |
| 21:19.09 | anddam | catnip: edit /etc/networks/interfaces and the ifup |
| 21:19.10 | anddam | s/the/then/ |
| 21:19.10 | catnip | permission denied |
| 21:19.10 | cheako | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure locales just dumps a lot of errors about alias files not found. |
| 21:19.10 | catnip | and i'm root |
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| 21:19.12 | whitey | according to the philosophical anthropology of what in fact constitutes a debian question, one cannot rely on just pure happenstance to account for the lack of entropy that is contained within a debian question, constrasted with the concise response that it does offer\ |
| 21:19.32 | abrotman | whitey: please go play somewhere else, try #defocus |
| 21:19.46 | abrotman | catnip: denied doing what? |
| 21:20.00 | abrotman | cheako: paste.debian.net .. i can't see your screen |
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| 21:20.41 | cheako | unset(ing) all the variables that perl lists /fixes/ the problem. I'd like to know where they get set. |
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| 21:21.02 | catnip | abrotman, access to that file is denied |
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| 21:21.50 | abrotman | catnip: who owns it ? |
| 21:22.00 | catnip | how do i find that out |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | ls -l |
| 21:22.13 | cheako | 160870 |
| 21:22.22 | abrotman | should be a name, not a number |
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| 21:22.31 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 21:23.09 | abrotman | cheako: w |
| 21:23.09 | catnip | i'm just gonna try fedora |
| 21:23.09 | catnip | thanks anyway |
| 21:23.09 | abrotman | cheako: what is uname -f ? |
| 21:23.10 | abrotman | catnip: thanks! |
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| 21:23.29 | abrotman | cheako: uhm .. uname -r |
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| 21:24.06 | cheako | 2.6.35.4-rscloud |
| 21:24.23 | abrotman | cheako: and it's Debian ? |
| 21:24.32 | cheako | yes. |
| 21:24.46 | abrotman | judd: file usr/share/locale/locale.alias --release squeeze |
| 21:24.50 | judd | Search for usr/share/locale/locale.alias in squeeze/i386: locales: usr/share/locale/locale.alias |
| 21:24.58 | cheako | squeeze |
| 21:25.04 | abrotman | cheako: aptitude reinstall locales .. then try again |
| 21:25.10 | cheako | k |
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| 21:26.07 | ompaul | abrotman: rscloud recompiled it http://kernel.slicehost.com/2.6.35.4-rscloud/ |
| 21:26.18 | abrotman | i figured .. |
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| 21:26.21 | ompaul | its not debianised |
| 21:26.29 | cheako | yay! |
| 21:26.30 | ompaul | it seems to be k.o kernels |
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| 21:26.57 | cheako | perl still barfs. |
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| 21:27.28 | abrotman | cheako: can it generate locales now ? |
| 21:27.31 | initself | If I need an X server but I am only using it on the command line and not as a GUI of any kind, what's the best way to install it and start it on Debian? |
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| 21:27.42 | abrotman | initself: install 'xorg', then use startx |
| 21:27.52 | abrotman | if i understand what you're looking for |
| 21:28.07 | cheako | abrotman: Correct locals seam to e being generated. |
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| 21:28.39 | initself | does this mean x is running? |
| 21:28.40 | initself | /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-slave --display-id /org/gnome/DisplayManager/Display1 |
| 21:28.44 | abrotman | cheako: so generate them, then login,logout .. |
| 21:28.47 | initself | /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -audit 0 -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-CR3pi... |
| 21:28.52 | abrotman | seems that way |
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| 21:29.54 | cheako | still no good. I'm looking for that LC_MEASURMENT file. |
| 21:30.20 | initself | what have I got going on here with startx? |
| 21:30.20 | initself | http://paste.debian.net/160871/ |
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| 21:30.32 | kd123 | is the UUID listed in 'lvdisplay' the correct uuid for the logical volume? |
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| 21:30.50 | Hahli | Hey guys |
| 21:30.53 | kd123 | it looks like it has too many hyphens |
| 21:30.57 | ompaul | cheako: http://articles.slicehost.com/2010/6/18/downloading-and-using-kernel-source-code-2-6-32-12-and-newer-on-debian |
| 21:31.09 | abrotman | initself: X is already running |
| 21:31.12 | Hahli | I'm having a little issue with my GPU, an Intel GMA 3150 |
| 21:31.24 | Hahli | It only goes up to 60 FPS on glxgers. |
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| 21:31.33 | Hahli | How can I fix it? |
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| 21:31.38 | abrotman | Hahli: glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 21:31.48 | Hahli | It's not? |
| 21:31.53 | abrotman | not even close |
| 21:32.00 | initself | my perl install is giving me this error |
| 21:32.00 | initself | The switch --header-spacing, is not support using unpatched qt, and will be ignored.wkhtmltopdf: cannot connect to X server |
| 21:32.02 | abrotman | Hahli: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
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| 21:32.14 | initself | so x is already running, but qt needs to be modified? |
| 21:32.24 | Hahli | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 21:32.36 | kd123 | Hahli, do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 21:32.58 | abrotman | Hahli: so it seems to be working fine |
| 21:33.08 | Hahli | I do |
| 21:33.16 | kd123 | Hahli, nvm if you have direct rendering you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed |
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| 21:33.49 | Hahli | That's really weird |
| 21:33.55 | valdyn | Hahli: your glxgears is synced to the screen refresh |
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| 21:34.19 | Hahli | Ohhh |
| 21:34.25 | Hahli | That makes sense. |
| 21:34.40 | Hahli | So how do I run a benchmark? |
| 21:34.41 | cheako | ompaul, thanks for the article but I don't see how that will help my problem. I feel like perl is not doing what it should. |
| 21:34.41 | valdyn | Hahli: to confirm that look at the cpu usage |
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| 21:34.58 | abrotman | Hahli: you play a game and see if it works for you :) |
| 21:35.10 | cheako | ...or the locales are not being configured/installed properly. |
| 21:35.22 | valdyn | cheako: apt-get install locales-all |
| 21:35.27 | Hahli | One thread is at 94% |
| 21:35.57 | Neonlajt | hmmm, running debian from an USB stick with, how to optimize it (IOwise). I was thinking that there should be no swapping to drive. Perhaps copying everything into ram? and only writing changes. Any good pointers? |
| 21:36.23 | bzed | Neonlajt: look at grml |
| 21:36.46 | bzed | http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=usb |
| 21:37.31 | abrotman | waves at bzed |
| 21:37.55 | cheako | Neonlajt: Most USB installs should be using a unionfs, perhaps to persistent storage? You should be able to place a tmpfs at the top of that union and then prior to shutdown(or periodically rsync the tmpfs to the persistent storage. |
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| 21:38.34 | Hahli | Well the think is that Xorg behaves a little laggy |
| 21:38.37 | cheako | Neonlajt: There are also ways to rebuild the squashfs file using the old one and the persistent storage. |
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| 21:39.15 | Hahli | What can I do to make it act smoother? |
| 21:39.37 | cheako | overlayfs, excuse me! |
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| 21:44.52 | Neonlajt | cheako: unionfs, part USB install/part network drive? So in theory I could copy the whole FS to ram and sync it? |
| 21:45.46 | Neonlajt | cheako: Trying to find the optimal way of running a small footprint webserver. mostly reads, but not alot. Some logging will occur. |
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| 21:47.44 | Hahli | Guys, here's my Xorg log - http://pastebin.com/5EWC8uKp |
| 21:47.47 | cheako | Neonlajt: It's called overlayfs now. Essentually it allows read-only media to contain a rw file system by putting another file system "on-top" of the ro one. copy-on-write technology is used. |
| 21:47.50 | Hahli | Grepped to 'vsync' |
| 21:47.53 | Hahli | How do I find out if it's enabled? |
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| 21:49.06 | _ramo | which package do i need to use "zcat" ? |
| 21:49.10 | cheako | Neonlajt: To make a USB system 'faster' one could mount a third ram based fs(tmpfs) on top of the ext filesystem that exists on the USB device. |
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| 21:49.51 | cheako | Neonlajt: Tell Apache to _only_ log to a remote syslog server. |
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| 21:50.08 | cheako | The local syslog can also be configured to do that. |
| 21:50.50 | khem_ | is there any good guide to ompile your custom kernel on Debian? |
| 21:51.19 | Neonlajt | cheako: Thats what I am after, remote logging. I would also like to mount a tmpfs for /var/log/, but I guess thats easy, then sync on reboot. Basically I'd just like to lower the iowait on the system. There will be no additional writing except that. |
| 21:51.21 | khem_ | have previous experience with compiling kernels > 10yrs ago when you didnt need to generare initramfs etc etc :P want this to be as failsafe as possible |
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| 21:51.47 | cro | in order to manually download a new linux kernel will there be everything I need at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-base? |
| 21:52.47 | craigevil | khem_, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelCustomCompilation |
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| 21:53.08 | rootatwc | hello. can someone help me with this? i have set a directory's SGID and every file created in this directory get the directory's group instead of the users one.that works perfect. but i want to do the same when a user edits the file. right now when a user edits and saves the file, the file take user's group |
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| 21:54.20 | rootatwc | shouldn't SGID take care of this as well? |
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| 22:04.11 | cheako | Neonlajt: I know it may look like remote syslogging is dead, but trust me it's vary much alive. |
| 22:05.14 | cheako | yay! I'm better now, that was too much work. |
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| 22:07.19 | _mpu | Hi, it seems that git-daemon uses runit, why not a simple standard init script? |
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| 22:09.53 | thewanderer1 | in Cellwriter, when I check "enable extended input events", I can't write with the stylus (wacom) - the input is not registered. eraser tip works fine. any ideas? |
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| 22:10.47 | silent | Hello. |
| 22:10.49 | silent | Guys, how can I disable VSync? |
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| 22:17.46 | TheWarden | if one is auto mounting a drive is it proper to set the mount point in /media/folder-name or is that for auto mount for removable devices only for the user? |
| 22:19.38 | snhmib | you can mount whatever you want whereever you want |
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| 22:20.20 | snhmib | also, man hier :) |
| 22:20.33 | ompaul | TheWarden: usually you leave media for removable stuff it means you know what you're looking at, as does your buddy who is looking at the box |
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| 22:21.38 | TheWarden | ompaul: so is there already a destination then to create permanent mount points? |
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| 22:23.01 | ompaul | TheWarden: mkdir /my/random/name |
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| 22:23.54 | ompaul | TheWarden: so no |
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| 22:29.29 | Silent | Hello |
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| 22:30.09 | Silent | Guys, on my laptop sometimes flickering occursin Xfce4 when I do tinks such as increase or decrease volume |
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| 22:30.22 | Silent | And the little dialog that informs me about that flickers |
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| 22:33.24 | whitequark | any idea how to monitor what consumes 50%sys, as reported by top? |
| 22:33.27 | whitequark | something like syscalltop |
| 22:33.30 | whitequark | or kerneltop |
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| 22:46.13 | Silent | How do I confifure Xinerama? |
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| 22:50.11 | kd123 | Why would I be having a problem drawing down packages from the debian US mirror? |
| 22:50.44 | kd123 | In my source list (/etc/apt/sources.list) I have 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free' |
| 22:50.48 | kd123 | and I have |
| 22:51.05 | kd123 | 'deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free' |
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| 22:51.21 | Silent | Please help me guys |
| 22:51.35 | Silent | Sometimes Xfce4 flickers |
| 22:51.54 | Silent | Such as in the small volume increase-decrease box |
| 22:52.08 | Silent | How do I find the cause and fix it? |
| 22:52.10 | kd123 | but when I try to install anything it says Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 22:52.33 | kd123 | Silent, do you have KMS disabled? |
| 22:52.41 | Silent | I don't know |
| 22:52.42 | somiaj | kd123: that sounds like a dns issue, can you ping ftp.us.debian.org? Dose /etc/resolv.conf have a valid nameserver? |
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| 22:52.46 | Silent | What's KMS? |
| 22:53.17 | kd123 | somiaj, ah good point let me check... I can get security updates though just not the main repository |
| 22:53.36 | kd123 | Silent, Kms regulates the power saving features of the video card in the kernel |
| 22:53.43 | Dirkson | Hey all. #sdl suspects debian of changing the SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE variable in its package. How would we prove or disprove this? |
| 22:54.15 | Silent | I don't know, how do I check? |
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| 22:55.12 | somiaj | Dirkson: take a look at the source/changelog |
| 22:55.27 | Dirkson | somiaj: Where? |
| 22:55.39 | kd123 | Silent, give me a second and I'll see if I can find it |
| 22:55.48 | somiaj | Dirkson: you can use a deb-src line, or get all that info about the pckage from packages.debian.org/pkgnmae |
| 22:56.07 | Silent | Thank you :) |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | Dirkson: the changelog is on packages.debian.org also |
| 22:56.50 | Dirkson | abrotman: Thanks |
| 22:58.02 | kd123 | Silent, here's the link http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:58.13 | kd123 | Silent, do you have an ATI card? |
| 22:58.46 | Silent | Nope, Intel GMA 3150 |
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| 23:00.01 | kd123 | ok then to disable KMS you have to edit the file '/etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf' |
| 23:00.24 | kd123 | silent, so run the command 'sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf' see if anything is there |
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| 23:01.34 | kd123 | it should be a file with this in it -> 'options i915 modeset=1' |
| 23:01.34 | Silent | options i915 modeset=1 |
| 23:02.03 | kd123 | ok change the 1 to a 0, like this -> 'options i915 modeset=0' |
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| 23:02.21 | kd123 | then reboot and hopefully the flicker will stop |
| 23:03.20 | Silent | I see |
| 23:03.26 | Silent | Well, thanks for helping |
| 23:03.30 | Silent | Let me try that |
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| 23:03.38 | Silent | I'll be right back after the reboot :) |
| 23:03.58 | kd123 | how do I restart gnome-network-manager? |
| 23:04.05 | kd123 | it crashed on me and I'm using a live cd |
| 23:04.20 | I_Died_Once | hey, using debian squeeze amd64, what the best way to go about getting a newer version of kde installed? |
| 23:05.35 | I_Died_Once | kd123 - try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart" |
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| 23:06.20 | kd123 | I_Died_Once, will that kill my live cd though? |
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| 23:06.42 | I_Died_Once | i dont think so |
| 23:06.51 | I_Died_Once | but it will restart gnome |
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| 23:06.55 | kd123 | ok let me try it thanks for the help |
| 23:06.57 | kd123 | right ok |
| 23:06.59 | I_Died_Once | good luck |
| 23:07.08 | kd123 | thanks |
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| 23:08.28 | kd123 | lol.... I'm left with a screen with a flashing cursor |
| 23:08.29 | Silent | Hello |
| 23:08.37 | Silent | Well, it didn't help |
| 23:08.39 | kd123 | Hi Silent, did it work? |
| 23:08.42 | kd123 | ugh |
| 23:08.43 | kd123 | :P |
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| 23:08.47 | Silent | Unfortunately no |
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| 23:09.12 | Silent | It dropped the resolution to 800x600 and the flickering still occured |
| 23:09.16 | alberthrocks | I'm trying to recover from an accidental upgrade to the squeeze-updates repo, and I think I've gotten it, but not sure. |
| 23:09.18 | kd123 | hmm... you might want to change that setting back then |
| 23:09.21 | Silent | But no problem, thanks for trying |
| 23:09.28 | Silent | Yes I just did. |
| 23:09.34 | kd123 | ok |
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| 23:09.58 | alberthrocks | I've apt-pinned to stable, but it doesn't fix the "obsolete" packages. Therefore, I'm running this: |
| 23:10.02 | kd123 | I had a flickering issue on a laptop with an ati card and changing that solved my issue |
| 23:10.21 | Silent | I see |
| 23:10.29 | Silent | Note that it usually doesn't flicker |
| 23:10.35 | alberthrocks | while :; do aptitude -y --without-recommends -f remove ?obsolete; if [ ! "$?" = "0" ];then break; fi; done |
| 23:10.39 | Silent | Only when I change the volume for example |
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| 23:10.56 | alberthrocks | Is this command correct for fixing this issue? |
| 23:10.57 | Silent | Or some windows darkens/brightens the screen |
| 23:11.04 | Silent | For example graphical sudo |
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| 23:11.21 | kd123 | Silent, oh hmm that might just be a bug in the xorg driver |
| 23:11.41 | Silent | Bummer |
| 23:12.10 | kd123 | I have another laptop with an intel graphics card and it flickers a little too sometimes :P |
| 23:12.30 | kd123 | but not when I increase or decrease volume or brightness |
| 23:13.03 | Silent | I guess I'll just have to deal with it. |
| 23:13.33 | Silent | Either way, I'm tired as hell |
| 23:13.50 | Silent | So if you'll please excuse me I'll go to bed |
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| 23:14.09 | Silent | Have a wondeful night and thank you for your attention :) |
| 23:14.10 | chuy | hi all, i want to build debian based distro, o want to add stuff and brandes, any wiki o ducumentatio |
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| 23:19.06 | chuy | I want this for the reason I sell computer equipment installed whit linux, i want to brand add my logo from my shop and other stuff |
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| 23:20.21 | grayghost | I am haveing trouble installing Epson printer drivers ... I get an error message "Error: Cannot install 'lsb'" .... help ? |
| 23:20.54 | kd123 | grayghost, it might not be supported by cups |
| 23:21.10 | kd123 | you'd have to check to make sure |
| 23:21.18 | grayghost | it is .... |
| 23:22.21 | grayghost | the driver needs lsb ... and it will not install |
| 23:23.20 | kd123 | ah ok is lsb a debian package? |
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| 23:24.14 | grayghost | it seams to be package installer show it |
| 23:24.26 | kd123 | yeah lsb is a debian package... I just checked |
| 23:24.33 | grayghost | but will not install |
| 23:24.43 | kd123 | have you tried to install it via 'sudo apt-get install lsb'? |
| 23:25.54 | grayghost | The following packages have unmet dependencies: lsb : Depends: lsb-core but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:26.16 | grayghost | plus several more that will not be installed |
| 23:26.27 | kd123 | does it give a reason why not? |
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| 23:26.54 | grayghost | E: Broken packages |
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| 23:27.07 | grayghost | is the last line |
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| 23:27.47 | grayghost | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 23:27.47 | grayghost | distribution |
| 23:27.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions lsb-core |
| 23:28.00 | judd | Package: lsb-core on i386 -- lenny: 3.2-20; squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; sid: 3.2+Debian31; wheezy: 3.2+Debian31; experimental: 4.1+Debian0~exp2 |
| 23:28.02 | kd123 | are you using stable? |
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| 23:28.48 | grayghost | I don't know .... it is mint lmde |
| 23:29.45 | kd123 | On a side note... Does anyone know how to get LVM to refresh itself to show other Logical Volumes? |
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| 23:30.05 | grayghost | every thing seams to work fine ...untill this |
| 23:30.19 | kd123 | grayghost... you might want to try the mint chatrooms |
| 23:30.35 | grayghost | ok I wll |
| 23:30.50 | kd123 | I'm honestly not sure what to tell you and I don't want to break your system |
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| 23:34.08 | chuy | only i need some wiki and some advice |
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| 23:35.51 | kd123 | Does anyone know the command to get LVM to refresh |
| 23:35.53 | kd123 | ? |
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| 23:40.51 | kd123 | I have two different Volume Groups called the exact same name, but on two separate partitions |
| 23:41.09 | daniele | hi guys.. does anyone of you have an HD6850 which is actually working with debian? |
| 23:41.30 | daniele | oh I mean a HD6850M |
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| 23:41.52 | dvs | daniele: I'd try a backported kernel |
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| 23:41.57 | kd123 | well they are on two separate drives |
| 23:41.58 | kd123 | I can see the first volume group and it's associated logical volumes, but I can't see the second volume group and it's logical volumes |
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| 23:42.33 | kd123 | I thought running the command 'vgchange -a y' would update the kernels mapping of the volume group |
| 23:44.07 | kd123 | but it asks me daniele, I have a HD5000 series working with the backported fglrx |
| 23:44.22 | kd123 | oops... edit out the 'but it asks me' |
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| 23:45.04 | Gentoon | Hi |
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| 23:45.16 | mekeor | hi |
| 23:45.18 | daniele | now, I am a bit ashamed, cause I have absolutely no idea what a backported kernel / fglrx is |
| 23:45.41 | somiaj | !tell daniele -about squeeze-backports |
| 23:45.47 | kd123 | daniele, it's an updated catalyst driver |
| 23:45.55 | kd123 | it's Catalyst 11.4 |
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| 23:46.48 | daniele | I am running Catalyst 11.11, isnt that newer? |
| 23:47.00 | kd123 | daniele, yes |
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| 23:47.25 | ancientpower | can someone assist me |
| 23:47.25 | daniele | should I try 11.4 anyway even if at the 114 times my GPU not even existed? |
| 23:47.33 | ancientpower | I require assistance |
| 23:47.48 | kd123 | daniele, no it won't work |
| 23:48.02 | dvs | !tell ancientpower about ask |
| 23:48.06 | kd123 | I'd stay with 11.11... what doesn't work with it anyway? |
| 23:48.17 | ancientpower | okay |
| 23:48.23 | daniele | 2D acc does not work, I am not able to use compiz |
| 23:48.33 | daniele | when I stay to metacity everything is okay |
| 23:48.42 | daniele | also openGL seems not really to work |
| 23:48.56 | kd123 | ah I see |
| 23:49.00 | ancientpower | I just installed debian from CD-1 |
| 23:49.02 | daniele | so I cant use any Desklets / Cairo Dock or window shadows etc |
| 23:49.04 | ancientpower | and I cannot into connecting to a network |
| 23:49.51 | kd123 | daniele, I know AMD released Catalyst 12.1 late last January... maybe that would help you |
| 23:50.08 | daniele | I got 11.11 from the official AMD site |
| 23:50.13 | daniele | there was no 12.1 for Linux |
| 23:50.27 | daniele | oh well wait |
| 23:50.42 | daniele | the install file says 12.2 but the information windows says 11.11 |
| 23:52.13 | SpComb | I have need to create a fifo for rsyslog to write to my custom application installed in /opt/my-foobar, where do I put the fifo? |
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| 23:52.33 | SpComb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:52.52 | mparodi | Hey, hello |
| 23:53.40 | mparodi | why kglobalshortcut in ~/.kde/share/config is overwritten when I reboot kde? -.- |
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| 23:57.26 | marina_- | I want to get in touch with people who actually run some blogs or websites? anyone arround here ? i ' d like him to msg me plz :) thanx |
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| 23:58.25 | mekeor | that's spam, i think… |
