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| 00:04.39 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there .. is there a command where i can monitor which application is using how much bandwidth ? |
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| 00:10.42 | somiaj | ask and run is not the best way to get answers cobra |
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| 00:13.06 | Chubbz | Any reasons grub wont boot off of my USB drive anymore? It stopped working after I updated grub with apt-get. |
| 00:13.46 | somiaj | care to give us more info Chubbz |
| 00:13.58 | somiaj | what sort of errors do you get when you try to boot from the usb drive? |
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| 00:15.40 | Chubbz | somiaj: My boot partition is on an SATA HDD and the OS is on the USB drive. Cant see the USB drive from the grub command prompt. Tried adding rootdelay, with no luck. Anything else? |
| 00:15.57 | Chubbz | Its saying it cant find the root partition |
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| 00:16.12 | haotian | I googled and it said, xfs on /boot is pretty fast, then I googled to make sure it doesn't conflict with dualbooting with windows and here is the link it says something (explaining my question) but I don't get it exactly. Can you check the first message of the link and tell me the answer whether if I will succeed or fail. Link : http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2003-06/msg00744.html |
| 00:16.13 | haotian | My partitions : http://ideone.com/fDRVk |
| 00:16.13 | haotian | I will do the partitions first, then install windows, then install debian, the update grub, then install os-probe, then pray it dualboots |
| 00:16.57 | somiaj | Chubbz: can the bios see the usb drive? |
| 00:17.16 | Chubbz | somiaj: Yeah |
| 00:17.47 | somiaj | Chubbz: do you have the older version of grub sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives (and downgrade reinstall the older version of grub, see if that is really the issue)? |
| 00:18.49 | Chubbz | somiaj: I probably do, but I've got no idea how I would boot into an OS to do that |
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| 00:19.13 | Chubbz | Besides a live USB |
| 00:19.25 | antiisolo | I noticed some apps wasnt opening, so I ran thru terminal, and got this "The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. (Details: serial 33 error_code 11 request_code 154 minor_code 24) |
| 00:19.29 | antiisolo | " |
| 00:19.39 | somiaj | Chubbz: you would probabaly need a rescue cd/live usb of some sort. Can your bios boot directally from the usb drive or do you need that grub on your main drve to do that? |
| 00:20.01 | somiaj | Chubbz: I unforntally dont know grub well enough to debug it from its limited command line you get at boot |
| 00:20.39 | Chubbz | somiaj: It'll boot off of the USB directly, but I've had issues with that in the past, hence my strange configuration |
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| 00:28.25 | Chubbz | somiaj: Upon further investigation, it seems that initramfs is the thing to blame. FOr some reason its not loading the modules it needs to see the USB drive |
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| 00:33.48 | Francine | Hi on my acer one notebook the tap on the mouse pad does not work with LXDE. Does any one have any ideas how to fix this. Thx. |
| 00:34.01 | mikemol | So, I've got 'apt-get update' in a cronjob. It's emailing me progress, etc. However, I only really want it to email me with a list of updateable packages. What command can I run to get a list of packages which can be updated? |
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| 00:37.52 | Chubbz | Trying to find out why initramfs cant see my thumbdrive. |
| 00:37.55 | Chubbz | ANy ideas? |
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| 00:38.26 | Chubbz | mikemol: Try apt-get --help, theres an option in there that does what you want, cant recall off the top of my head though |
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| 00:40.14 | mikemol | Chubbz: Looks like -s is close enough. |
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| 00:42.57 | Chubbz | mikemol: look at -u:Show upgraded packages. Print out a list of all packages that are to be upgraded. |
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| 00:53.55 | mikemol | Chubbz: Mm. I don't want it to actually upgrade any packages, I just want it to show which may be upgraded, or give no output at all. "apt-get upgrade -u" doesn't seem to do this. (Neither does -s). Ideas? |
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| 00:56.57 | boudiccas | mikemol; why not write a short script called periodically to show you what updates are available? thats what i've done |
| 00:57.08 | boudiccas | its called from cron |
| 00:57.09 | mikemol | boudiccas: That's what I'm trying to do... |
| 00:57.25 | mikemol | I have apt-get update called from cron. I just want to follow up with an email telling me if there are updates available. |
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| 00:59.20 | boudiccas | mikemol; 00 00,6,12,18 * * * /usr/bin/apt-get upgrade>/home/boztu/cron/apt-get.txt .......... thats what i run from root cron |
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| 01:00.25 | mikemol | Mm. I'm really hesitant to fully automate upgrades. I want them to happen by my explicit command, since I want to be right there if something breaks. |
| 01:01.03 | boudiccas | that doesnt auto-upgrade, it just updated the text file so thta i upgrade when i want |
| 01:01.38 | mikemol | 'apt-get upgrade' performs upgrades. Unless I'm missing something fundamental. |
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| 01:02.06 | boudiccas | it lists the upgrades but waits for you to agree, and it eventually times out |
| 01:02.14 | mikemol | ah |
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| 01:06.54 | boudiccas | mikemol; got it working now? |
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| 01:08.14 | ooldirty | hey guys, i know this is probably old hat, but i'm upgrading a lenny machine running software RAID to squeeze and running into some problems. anyone feel up to answering some dumb questions? |
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| 01:08.40 | boudiccas | ooldirty; no, but i'm not a guy |
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| 01:09.08 | ooldirty | cool story, anti-bro? :p |
| 01:09.09 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 01:09.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:10.14 | ooldirty | Basically the issue is that "mdadm --assemble --scan --run" assembles all of my devices as expected. the kernel for some reason does not do that so i have to manually assemble my raid devices every time i reboot. |
| 01:10.46 | ooldirty | google shows several people having similar problems with different versions of mdadm, in similar scenarios, but I've yet to find a working solution. |
| 01:10.55 | boudiccas | oldschooler; so write a script which is called at bootup to do it automatically for you |
| 01:11.35 | ooldirty | boudiccas, this is prior to the init handoff. nice thought though :) |
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| 01:14.00 | mikemol | boudiccas: Just about: http://pastebin.com/Hiqc6wM6 |
| 01:14.40 | mikemol | Does pretty much what I need, except $UPGRADE_TEXT gets its newlines stripped for some reason. |
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| 01:20.10 | ooldirty | wow nevermind |
| 01:20.25 | ooldirty | i'm a complete moron. the arrays i needed to start weren't listed in /etc/default/mdadm |
| 01:20.32 | ooldirty | thanks for the hints :) |
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| 01:31.34 | BtbN | Hi |
| 01:31.42 | mikemol | thanks all |
| 01:31.44 | mikemol | waves |
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| 01:32.04 | BtbN | The stable-security-update squeeze7->squeeze8 of PHP5 causes a strange segfault |
| 01:32.49 | BtbN | i finaly managed to generate a full backtrace, but i can't find out whats broken |
| 01:33.12 | BtbN | the crash happens only on a single site, which does nothing special |
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| 01:33.48 | BtbN | http://codepad.org/Uo96ehdH that's the backtrace |
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| 02:03.07 | BtbN | https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=54372 it's this bug which is happening to me on stable |
| 02:03.20 | BtbN | it was introduced with squeeze8 |
| 02:05.07 | somiaj | squeeze8? |
| 02:05.31 | somiaj | ,versions php5 |
| 02:05.32 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.4.0-2; wheezy: 5.4.0-2; sid: 5.4.0-3 |
| 02:05.46 | BtbN | php5 security stable update from squeeze7->squeeze8 |
| 02:06.27 | somiaj | BtbN: do you have a copy of the privious verions +squeeze7 in /var/cache/apt/archives you can test to make sure it is the php package and not something else |
| 02:06.56 | BtbN | somiaj, sure, i already downgraded, perfectly fixes the problem |
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| 02:07.12 | somiaj | BtbN: you can also look at the change long in /usr/share/doc/php5/ to see if you can see what caused it and have you checked the debian bts to see if others have a similar issue. |
| 02:07.23 | somiaj | BtbN: I would report the bug to the debian bts then if there isn't one already. |
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| 02:09.42 | JJCale | hi all |
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| 02:12.14 | JJCale | Im struggling with a strange problem. Now when I do an "aptitude purge <foo> the recommended packages that were automatically installed with <foo> are not automatically removed! Please someone help me to solve this problem |
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| 02:12.59 | JJCale | I'm running debian testing (wheezy) |
| 02:13.02 | somiaj | JJCale: with apt-get you can use autoremove |
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| 02:13.36 | somiaj | it will also only remove packages which are marked 'auto' and nothign else depends on them |
| 02:13.43 | somiaj | could it be that you isntalled another package that also depends on those libs? |
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| 02:14.41 | abrotman | JJCale: aptitude why fooshuldbegone |
| 02:15.12 | JJCale | somiaj : I know that but I only use aptitude and I don't want to mix apt-get with aptitude. Besides until now all recommendes packages were automatically removed when I purge the package that has automatically installed them |
| 02:15.23 | BtbN | somiaj, reported it, hope it gets fixed soon, as it blocks my website |
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| 02:15.40 | BtbN | i'll try to find the old PHP upstream fix for this |
| 02:16.02 | somiaj | JJCale: you can mix them just fine, but I was just saying you could do this as a check. You are using testing software there could be a bug so it is nice to have other tools to check it out. |
| 02:16.21 | somiaj | JJCale: if apt-get autormove doesn't list any packages, then there are no auto packages that can be removed with out breaking a depends on a manual package. |
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| 02:20.11 | JJCale | somiaj: "apt-get autoremove" doesn't list any packages. But I know there are a buch of auto packages that should be automatically removed without breakinh anything! I even run some tests! For instance, I installed xfce4-notufyd which has automatically installed 7 other packages... Then I did an "aptitude purge xfce4-notifyd" and none of those dependencies were removed! |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | JJCale: aptitude why fooshuldbegone |
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| 02:22.01 | JJCale | abrotman: sorry but I dont understand that command. Its mean to be run like this: "aptitude why xfce4-notifydshuldbegone" ? |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | whatever you think isn't needed .. see why aptitude say it is |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | aptitude has a man page .. you can read about that function |
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| 02:25.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:26.52 | somiaj | hmm is there a way to list what packages are set as manual and as auto? |
| 02:27.12 | JJCale | abrotman: I have read the all manual. For instance, when I installed xfce4-notifyd, libxfce4util4 was one of the automatically installed packages. Now, when I do an "aptitude purge xfce4-notifyd" package libxfce4util4 is not automatically removed. And when I run an aptitude why libxfce4util4, I see this: xfce4-notifyd Depends libxfce4util4 |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | JJCale: aptitude search libxfce4util4 .. what is the status ? |
| 02:28.46 | JJCale | somiaj: libxfce4util4 is listed as auto and a dependency of xfce4-notifyd ! I have just, as a test, installed xfce4-notifyd, and libxfce4util4 was one of the automatically installed packages... |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | anything in your preferences file ? |
| 02:29.25 | JJCale | abrotman: this is the status: i A libxfce4util4 |
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| 02:29.46 | JJCale | in my preferences file I only have some apt-pining |
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| 02:30.01 | JJCale | but I have some options on /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 02:30.02 | haole | got a weird problem in debian squeeze... sound only works as root, but my user belongs to the audio group... what could be wrong? |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | erm sorry, i meant apt.conf |
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| 02:30.57 | JJCale | abrotman: I didin't changed anything on apt.conf and these two are the only options I have there: |
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| 02:31.08 | JJCale | abrotman: Apt::Install-Recommends "true"; |
| 02:31.29 | JJCale | abrotman: Apt::Install-Suggests "false"; |
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| 02:32.16 | somiaj | hmm I can't seem a nice way to list which packages are marked as auto vs manual.... |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | JJCale: does deborphan offer to remove it ? |
| 02:32.42 | JJCale | abrotman: but even more strange: libxfce4util4 , and some others, is a dependency of xfce4-notifyd and not a recommends |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | somiaj: aptitude only shows that in the TUI IIRC |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | somiaj: ah nope .. aptitude search foo .. i believe if there's an A in the third character column, it's auto installed |
| 02:33.46 | somiaj | abrotman: yea, was hoping for a way to list it, like with dpkg --get-selections. (: |
| 02:33.47 | JJCale | abrotman: I don't have deborphan installed but I' gonna install it and see what deborphan will say |
| 02:34.08 | somiaj | abrotman: ahh nice, I should really use aptitude more. |
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| 02:34.20 | abrotman | you sohuld :) |
| 02:34.59 | somiaj | aptitude search ~M seems to do the trick |
| 02:35.00 | somiaj | as well |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | but only shows those packages .. not all .. |
| 02:36.13 | somiaj | yea, ~i if you want all installed packages and the 'A' shows which are auto. (: |
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| 02:37.21 | NishaKitty | was lenny retired? |
| 02:37.28 | NishaKitty | geting 404 on it's repos |
| 02:37.39 | JJCale | abrotman: deborphan does not list libxfce4util4 as a orphan package (nor all other packages that were automatically installed (as dependencies) when I installed xfce4-notifyd |
| 02:37.51 | somiaj | NishaKitty: I think I heard something about it moving to archive.debian.org |
| 02:38.02 | somiaj | NishaKitty: check the topic for the end of life date. |
| 02:38.18 | NishaKitty | somiaj: thanks |
| 02:38.38 | JJCale | abrotman: now that I installed deborphan, deborphan automatically pulled one package with it (a dependency): dialog |
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| 02:39.09 | JJCale | abrotman: And now I tried to purge deborphan and aptitude doens't offer to unistall dialog !! |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | JJCale: eh .. sounds corrupted |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | JJCale: you tried deborphan -a ? |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | NishaKitty: yes, nmoved to archive.debian.org today i believe |
| 02:40.11 | JJCale | abrotman: no. I will try deborphan -a |
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| 02:40.28 | NishaKitty | what happens if I have packages from lenny when the repos are retired? |
| 02:40.40 | NishaKitty | I have like 5 or 6 somehow from lenny |
| 02:41.24 | somiaj | NishaKitty: you shoudln't be mixing packages from various versions, but packages will remain on archive.debian.org for many years |
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| 02:41.56 | roasted | Question - I've frequently used system-config-samba (quick samba gui) on Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc. I'm not finding it in the Debian repos, which is rather surprising. Has anybody used this tool before? |
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| 02:41.57 | somiaj | NishaKitty: what packages and why are you installing them from lenny (sounds lke you ahve a squeeze system?) |
| 02:42.52 | somiaj | roasted: I haven't heard of such a tool, and there is no file named system-config-samba in squeeze |
| 02:42.54 | JJCale | abrotman: even with deborphan -a libxfce4util4 (and the others) is not listed |
| 02:43.04 | NishaKitty | somiaj: I do it's using pinned repos etc |
| 02:43.21 | NishaKitty | I must've installed some packages that were only in lenny at some point |
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| 02:43.50 | somiaj | NishaKitty: you shouldn't be mixing binary distributions that way. What packages were in lenny that are no longer in debian that you wanted to keep around? |
| 02:43.59 | roasted | somiaj: it's kind of a "no bs" type of samba editor. Very basic, but it's super handy. I was going to use it on my file server but... ehh |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | JJCale: is anything listed ? |
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| 02:44.31 | somiaj | roasted: you can check the bts (bugs.debian.org) and file a wish list bug and maybe debian will adopt it in the future. |
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| 02:44.58 | JJCale | abrotman: yes, it is, but none of the packages that were recently automatically installed as dependecies and are not being automatically removed |
| 02:45.12 | roasted | somiaj: I'll do that, but I need something now. I'll just go back to ubuntu since they have it pre packaged then. thanks for the tip! |
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| 02:45.37 | somiaj | roasted: you might be able to compile that package on your debian system and use it there just fine. |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | JJCale: and you're on squeeze and haven't mixed any other versoins of debian in ? |
| 02:45.47 | NishaKitty | somiaj: they don't seem to be causing any issues when I check aptitude I can just leave them where they are? |
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| 02:46.24 | somiaj | NishaKitty: sure you can, you just don't get security updates |
| 02:46.38 | NishaKitty | ok |
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| 02:47.08 | somiaj | NishaKitty: but if you mention what packages it is you wanted from lenny maybe people will list alternatives that are in squeeze so you don't have to mix things and you can get full security updates. Things are usually removed from debian for a reason. |
| 02:47.24 | JJCale | abrotman: I'm on wheezy (testing) and only with wheezy packages |
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| 02:49.36 | abrotman | JJCale: let me try here .. i'm up to date as of today |
| 02:50.43 | NishaKitty | somiaj: hmm i think a lot of them are just dummy packages |
| 02:50.55 | JJCale | abrotman: thank you |
| 02:51.24 | somiaj | NishaKitty: some of them may have been transational packages to that are no longer around. |
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| 02:52.48 | abrotman | JJCale: nope, works great here |
| 02:53.50 | JJCale | abrotman: could you please tell me what you have on /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | JJCale: i don't have one .. but do you have files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ? |
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| 02:55.59 | JJCale | abotman: yes I have, but I've never touched those files... |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:56.45 | dvs | $wb |
| 02:56.46 | abrotman | JJCale: okay, so my apt.conf is empty |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | dvs: Thanks, it's great to be back! |
| 02:57.01 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:03.00 | JJCale | abrotman: I have new: If I do an "aptitude install -f" aptitude offers to purge all dependency packages that should already been removed when I purged that packages that installed them as dependecies!!! |
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| 03:03.45 | koobs_ | What does it mean when I have two /tmp entries listed in df output? One is tmpfs backed, the other is an LVM LV (size,avail,use % are identical) |
| 03:03.46 | JJCale | abrotman: I mean: I have news for you :) |
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| 03:04.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | JJCale: i wonder if a pacdkage was in a bad state and holding those other packages |
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| 03:05.58 | somiaj | koobs_: could you possibly have an actual /tmp partition in your LVM and then the tmpfs mounts another memory partitoin on top of it? |
| 03:06.12 | JJCale | abrotman: thank you for your kind help! I will reboot and see if I can solve the problem or identify the cause |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | don't think the reboot would help .. bu thave fun! |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | retires for the evening |
| 03:06.30 | koobs_ | Followup, it seems to me like the default automatic sizes for /run/* are ridiculous (correct me if im wrong and theyre not ridiculous) (24g for /dev, 5gb for /run, 10gb for /run/shm) - where to i go about modifying these size settings (presuming i DONT want to do it in /etc/default, and theres an override file somewhere) |
| 03:07.29 | koobs_ | somiaj: i took it to mean, you have an lvm based LV, and its entirely backed in tmpfs, rather than on the disk. |
| 03:07.51 | somiaj | koobs_: its more likely you have two seperate mounts on the same mount point |
| 03:07.55 | koobs_ | but who knows, this is the weirdest df output ive seen in years |
| 03:08.14 | koobs_ | somiaj: which begs the question, how can two mountpoints exist at the same point (/tmp x 2) ? |
| 03:08.24 | somiaj | koobs_: well check /etc/default/rcS and /etc/fstab see if you can see mentions of the /tmp mount point |
| 03:08.38 | koobs_ | ahh rcS, a new file to checkout, one tick. |
| 03:08.41 | somiaj | koobs_: last in first out, so the last one to be mounted is the one you see |
| 03:08.54 | koobs_ | somiaj: fstab only mentioned the LV /tmp |
| 03:08.59 | somiaj | koobs_: my guess is you have an entry for /tmp in /etc/fstab |
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| 03:09.17 | koobs_ | i do, one of them: /dev/mapper/test1-tmp /tmp ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 03:09.29 | somiaj | koobs_: correct, and then you have the debian tmpfs being mounted on top of that, which occurs I think in /etc/default/rcS -- you should disable one of those mount points. |
| 03:09.51 | koobs_ | i can see two /tmp entries in mtab (which i read is created out of fstab) |
| 03:09.53 | koobs_ | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,size=9911296k 0 0 |
| 03:10.00 | koobs_ | but the problem with that entry is, the sizes dont match. |
| 03:10.07 | koobs_ | so i dont know how relevent it is |
| 03:10.16 | somiaj | well one is an lvm mount, the other is a tmpfs (memeory file system) mount |
| 03:10.28 | somiaj | hmm, can't seem to recall where debian sets if or if not /tmp is mounted as tmpfs or not. |
| 03:10.39 | haole | if i download a debian package source to build a custom release for my own, in which field should i add some identifier to this different package? certainly not Source |
| 03:10.39 | koobs_ | the fact that theyre equal sizes, avail and in use % says something though doesnt it. |
| 03:11.56 | koobs_ | somiaj: RAMTMP=yes (in defaults/rcS) |
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| 03:12.04 | koobs_ | somiaj: so it sounds like, its a layer on top. |
| 03:12.07 | koobs_ | ugh. |
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| 03:12.43 | somiaj | koobs_: so remove one of them, the one you don't want to use |
| 03:12.51 | koobs_ | i dont think it works like that :) |
| 03:13.51 | koobs_ | the ONLY entry in fstab is /tmp pointing to ext3. RAMPTMP=yes, therefore back /tmp in tmpfs - mtab gets created accordingly |
| 03:13.52 | somiaj | why not? /tmp is just a file system like anything else, it is just standard to use tmpfs for it. |
| 03:14.12 | somiaj | and you have two different things mountin /tmp -- only one is being used so no need for both |
| 03:14.12 | koobs_ | yeh thats fine, i dont mind that its tmpfs backed, i jsut needed to udnerstand doubleyou-tee-eff was going on. |
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| 03:14.29 | koobs_ | so when you say get rid of one, from where do you mean |
| 03:14.42 | somiaj | well if you want it to be tmpfs, comment out the lvm tmp mount in /etc/fstab so it won't get automatically tmped and recover that disk space for something else |
| 03:14.44 | koobs_ | if i remove the one in fstab, the one in tmpfs wont get created |
| 03:14.50 | foxtrot9 | debian squeeze sometimes crashes when I go into suspend mode, it tries then the desktop comes back and everything is frozen, nothing is written to logs, pc needs to hard reboot to get it to respond again. How would I go about debugging this issue? |
| 03:15.00 | koobs_ | since its based on the entry in fstab to create the mtab version of it. |
| 03:15.18 | koobs_ | or so it seems. |
| 03:15.25 | somiaj | koobs_: no the /tmp mount point with tmpfs is created elsewhere (not via /etc/fstab) |
| 03:15.36 | koobs_ | any idea where? :) |
| 03:15.50 | koobs_ | and via what configuration? - that feels awefully strange. |
| 03:16.00 | koobs_ | when DONT fs specifications go in fstab ? |
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| 03:16.48 | somiaj | koobs_: do you have /dev, /sys or /run mentioned in /etc/fstab -- but those are also mounted as a tmpfs |
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| 03:17.19 | koobs_ | theyre necessary system fs's, not user specified (nor user created) |
| 03:17.45 | koobs_ | im not saying youre wrong, im just saying that sounds WAY off. |
| 03:17.59 | koobs_ | again, perhaps debian is that strange (but my experience tells me otherwise) |
| 03:18.16 | somiaj | yes, and /tmp as a tmpfs is by default considered one of those cases. if you change that entry in /etc/default/rcS to =no then it should be left alone. |
| 03:18.33 | koobs_ | as in not created in tmpfs. |
| 03:18.39 | somiaj | correct |
| 03:18.45 | koobs_ | so your claim is, remove the one in fstab, and the one from rcS will still get created? |
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| 03:19.03 | koobs_ | and i would then modify size of /tmp via rcS, and not anywhere else. |
| 03:19.05 | somiaj | or visa versa, as you really only need one, your choice |
| 03:19.13 | somiaj | correct |
| 03:19.15 | koobs_ | right, now question |
| 03:19.24 | koobs_ | what if i want a resizable lvm based /tmp that is tmpfs backed, and not on disk |
| 03:19.52 | somiaj | what? I guess I don't follow that question, how can you have a lvm based partition that is not on a disk? |
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| 03:20.12 | koobs_ | also, given your premise that they are different mountpoints, how does it turn out that the tmpfs and disk based /tmp's both have the same size,avail and inuse accounting stats? |
| 03:21.04 | koobs_ | if ive been using one 'or' the other, would one not be completely empty ? or do programs have a way of writing to one explicitly over the other when both exist concurrently ? |
| 03:21.22 | somiaj | koobs_: not sure, you have them ounted in the same place, so maybe there is some confusion in figuring out the actual size |
| 03:21.26 | koobs_ | i recall you mentioned the last-entry wins |
| 03:21.30 | koobs_ | oh. |
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| 03:21.47 | koobs_ | OR, they are the same, except my fstab entry for /tmp is tmpfs backed (rather than on disk |
| 03:21.53 | koobs_ | interesting. |
| 03:22.04 | koobs_ | time to dd a 500mb file. |
| 03:22.22 | somiaj | yea either way you are putting two mount points on /tmp -- my suggestion is to clean it up in what ever way you seem fit for your system. |
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| 03:31.45 | koobs_ | mm, theyre linked. |
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| 03:37.46 | k-man | any idea how i might upgrade php to 5.2.4 on etch? |
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| 03:40.53 | somiaj | k-man: upgrade etch, beyond that you will have to compile your own packages |
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| 03:41.34 | k-man | somiaj, hmm... i can't really upgrade from etch right now on this server |
| 03:41.44 | somiaj | k-man: you can /msg dpkg ssbp (that will give you basic ideas of how to compile a package from one version of debian onto another. But I would suggest grabing the source from a version as close to etch as possible |
| 03:42.09 | k-man | somiaj, ok |
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| 03:42.33 | somiaj | note that is inteneded to go from sid -> stable, so make sure you set your sources up correctly. And grab the source from lenny if you can (which was ust moved to archive.debian.org today) |
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| 03:43.10 | k-man | ok |
| 03:43.34 | k-man | i think this is beyond what I want to do - its all so i can run wordpress on one site to export the posts from wp |
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| 03:43.50 | k-man | somiaj, thanks for the pointers though |
| 03:45.58 | somiaj | k-man: your welcome |
| 03:47.38 | somiaj | you're even.... |
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| 03:55.20 | noonday1 | hi I'd like to install sun java with a plugin for Chrome in Debian Testing |
| 03:55.26 | koobs_ | somiaj: are you familiar with the tmpfs auto sizes, and how they 'should' be sized given what theyre used for. |
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| 03:55.32 | koobs_ | 24gb for /dev seems a bit out of whack |
| 03:55.46 | noonday1 | the instructions I got online didn' t work |
| 03:56.15 | noonday1 | Package 'sun-java6-jre' has no installation candidate |
| 03:56.31 | noonday1 | that' s what apt-get says |
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| 03:59.59 | somiaj | noonday: that package was removed from debian when orcal bought sun. So you can either install it from oracle (not supported in #debian though), or grab the packages from squeeze. |
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| 04:01.36 | aill | How to change just the SECONDS of my current system time..? |
| 04:02.00 | noonday | somiaj: how do I install packages from Squeeze from Debian Testing? |
| 04:02.37 | somiaj | noonday: download it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i to install it. This is also not supported you shouldn't mix things, but you should be fine with the java packages. |
| 04:03.12 | noonday | does the sun version work better than the free version? |
| 04:03.15 | noonday | as far you can tell? |
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| 04:04.08 | somiaj | They are getting closer, but my experience has been the sun java runs better (but I don't like java and only have to use it for a few non-free examples) |
| 04:04.34 | BtbN | whoa, recompiling PHP finaly finished |
| 04:04.41 | BtbN | and: the bug is fixed |
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| 04:05.54 | LtL | aill: date --set 23:05:00 should work |
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| 04:08.04 | aill | thanks LtL |
| 04:08.13 | LtL | aill: yw |
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| 04:13.41 | noonday | somiaj: apt-get -f install wants to remove my sun java installation due to unmet dependencies |
| 04:14.10 | somiaj | you'll have to figure out the dependencies from the errors and install them |
| 04:14.35 | somiaj | if there are to many non-java dependencies you can't satisfy you may be out of luck and should install from orcale |
| 04:14.54 | a5m0 | if i got disconnected from ssh but top is still showiong that the process is running, is there any way to reconnect to that session? i did not use screen |
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| 04:22.22 | noonday | somiaj: there was only one dependency ... so it worked |
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| 04:27.44 | samantha-a-- | once upon a time i ran my own debian mirror. would that i still did. :-( |
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| 04:29.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | noonday: i suggest trying one of the free javas until it fails, then use sun java. |
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| 04:33.20 | noonday | Kamping_Kaiser: I already installed Sun Java... |
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| 04:36.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | noonday: be sure to keep it safe. http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/sun-java6 |
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| 04:38.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | fwiw, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646524 is why its not in testing |
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| 05:11.38 | samantha-a-- | debian server. debian client. all local lan, all secure. no access problems -- just me in my house. want to share files. nfs? |
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| 05:17.10 | jbrks | samantha-a--, noyone to share with! lol |
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| 05:21.22 | aBound | Share what exactly. :P |
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| 05:37.24 | SeXy_WoMeN_TuX | hi |
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| 05:41.09 | aBound | Blah. |
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| 05:43.04 | WoMaN_LiNuX | please help private |
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| 05:51.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | samantha-a--: rsync over ssh, sshfs, scp... |
| 05:52.12 | samantha-a-- | Kamping_Kaiser, for live server share, not for just moving files. i.e., mounted directories. again, all local, behind a firewall. |
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| 05:54.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | samantha-a--: what sort of share, once off or continual access? |
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| 05:55.21 | samantha-a-- | continual. i run a raid6 array for my main storage system. |
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| 05:59.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | nfs or smb probably, unless its high load and youre after something like Luster |
| 06:00.19 | samantha-a-- | nah, luster is overkill |
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| 06:07.32 | samantha-a-- | is there magic to getting a google apps (not a gmail.com) account connected to pidgin? |
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| 06:20.55 | valdyn | samantha-a--: http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=49147 |
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| 06:22.30 | samantha-a-- | valdyn: would that it worked. alas, all i get is "unable to connect" |
| 06:22.50 | valdyn | samantha-a--: maybe google talk is not enabled |
| 06:23.05 | valdyn | samantha-a--: ( in that apps account ) |
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| 06:23.21 | raden | is there a way in gnome to hit a shortcut key to run a command? |
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| 06:23.26 | samantha-a-- | valdyn: then trillian is lying. (i'im the apps account admin) |
| 06:23.31 | raden | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.05 | valdyn | samantha-a--: ill try |
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| 06:30.55 | boudiccas | raden; ctrl + f2 calls up a command box |
| 06:31.26 | valdyn | samantha-a--: it works fine |
| 06:31.38 | valdyn | samantha-a--: you might have forgotten talk.google.com in the advanced tab |
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| 06:32.17 | valdyn | samantha-a--: also in the pidgin contact window when you hit reconnect right *there* it might not take the most recent change in the config |
| 06:33.21 | raden | boudiccas, thanks vbox was confugred wrong |
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| 06:38.35 | VanDerSp1r | Good morning!Does anyone know why I can view top, but can't grep it with sudo? |
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| 06:40.35 | samantha-a-- | valdyn: that was it. duh. tyvm. |
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| 06:47.32 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: why cant you? |
| 06:47.34 | patr|ck | hello. how do you switch the locale again, please? |
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| 06:48.42 | VanDerSp1r | It asks me password and username, and I'm not aware of what that should be |
| 06:48.46 | VanDerSp1r | I'm not even aware of the syntax |
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| 06:49.02 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: your sudo is not configured |
| 06:49.10 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: but for top and grep you dont need sudo |
| 06:49.11 | VanDerSp1r | My sudo sure is configured |
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| 06:49.28 | VanDerSp1r | Give me a moment and I'll make a pastebin |
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| 06:50.07 | VanDerSp1r | Might be wrong syntax for my grep though |
| 06:50.18 | VanDerSp1r | http://pastebin.com/AA5UTDrz |
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| 06:50.28 | VanDerSp1r | Sorry, didn't use sudo there |
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| 06:50.47 | VanDerSp1r | Even when typing sudo, it doesn't use root but pythonsqluser |
| 06:51.05 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: the whole command is nonsense. What are you trying to do? |
| 06:51.14 | VanDerSp1r | http://pastebin.com/0aMchxFt |
| 06:51.25 | VanDerSp1r | I knew it might be nonsense |
| 06:51.33 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: still the same nonsense, ok |
| 06:51.47 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: top | grep mysql |
| 06:52.00 | VanDerSp1r | Oh. That's the placement |
| 06:52.02 | VanDerSp1r | Well then |
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| 06:52.40 | VanDerSp1r | It's just that I can't see all those processes, and I never use top, so I just wanted to search for the mysql process |
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| 06:54.01 | valdyn | VanDerSp1r: thats still just wrong. You want to use something like "ps aux | grep mysql" |
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| 07:01.00 | VanDerSp1r | Well. What do I know. Anyways. Thanks. |
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| 07:04.45 | seravitae | is it possible to 'blacklist' a process (by file/name) from a particular core? |
| 07:05.08 | seravitae | i'd like to force all multiple instances of one application to a particular core, or better yet, allow it to roam around on any cores except one specific one |
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| 07:07.44 | gnarface | seravitae: i heard its possible. i don't know how though. may require a kernel recompile for all i know. |
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| 07:08.34 | seravitae | well that was easy. |
| 07:08.49 | seravitae | gnarface, i just went `taskset -pc 0-2 <pid>` |
| 07:09.06 | seravitae | forces the PID to only run on CPU's 0-2 (out of 0-3 for my 4-core box) |
| 07:09.11 | seravitae | immediately saw one core free up |
| 07:09.23 | gnarface | oh neat |
| 07:09.27 | gnarface | cool, thanks for the info |
| 07:10.02 | samantha-a-- | not liking the new gnome interface |
| 07:10.16 | gnarface | samantha-a--: didn't i warn you? |
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| 07:10.48 | seravitae | np |
| 07:10.50 | samantha-a-- | gnarface, :-/ |
| 07:10.54 | samantha-a-- | trying to go 3 heads now |
| 07:11.03 | samantha-a-- | it'll take some getting used to |
| 07:11.23 | seravitae | i got 6 heads, but i want to go to 10 ... |
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| 07:12.30 | samantha-a-- | wow. epic fail on the nvidia upgrade. |
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| 07:16.23 | seravitae | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/glanceview/221535/batman-pulled-over-by-us-police.glance |
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| 07:19.05 | jelly-home | an |
| 07:19.09 | jelly-home | impostor? |
| 07:19.45 | jelly-home | or was he just pretending to be an impostor to keep the identity |
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| 07:25.58 | xinit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.03 | xinit | anybody know anything about this? |
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| 07:28.05 | xinit | same for more python packages |
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| 07:31.51 | sarimkhan | hello, netselect-apt is not working in squeeze :( |
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| 07:32.05 | sarimkhan | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute |
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| 07:39.45 | viking667 | quick question. I loaded wheezy onto a laptop, and the laptop crawls almost to a halt every time I run update-apt-xapian-index. I note that it takes a while when reading nn translations from /var/....../lists/somesite_debian_dists_....i18n_Translation-nn. (nn stands for all the translations that seem to be available. |
| 07:39.56 | viking667 | What I'm trying to ask is: how do I speed this up any? |
| 07:40.18 | viking667 | After all, I don't need translations for 99% of the languages, just English (really) |
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| 07:41.56 | viking667 | almost wishes he could mount the /var/lib directory from the lappy on his main box, but that doesn't have debian on it. The main machine has Ubu instead. Sigh. |
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| 07:56.11 | zamba | how can i get rid of usb0 networking? |
| 07:56.29 | zamba | like permanently |
| 07:56.36 | zamba | not just ifconfig usb0 down |
| 07:56.51 | jelly-home | zamba: blacklist usbnet kernel module |
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| 07:57.10 | jelly-home | !tell zamba -about blacklist |
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| 07:59.35 | viking667 | So. How do I speed up update-apt-xapian-index? |
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| 08:07.18 | waldvogel | is it possible to mount luks in a similar way what happens at boot? i.e. i don't have to use luksOpen etc. manually? |
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| 08:08.54 | sp4rc | guys i am running debian stable on amd64 and grub complains with 'Error: fd0 read error' |
| 08:08.58 | waldvogel | like: uber-mount /srv/mymount (mount ist defined in fstab, and crypttab) |
| 08:09.14 | sp4rc | this is a fresh install running with md (soft raid) |
| 08:09.49 | sp4rc | also the system boots this error is nasty... also i don't see this fancy grub background |
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| 08:11.42 | waldvogel | sp4rc: check the bios if you can disable floppy... |
| 08:12.45 | sp4rc | waldvogel: okay i can give it a try. is this a well known bug? |
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| 08:13.04 | sp4rc | but how comes i don't see this colorful grub menu |
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| 08:14.27 | waldvogel | not sure about that, i usually don't care about how grub *looks* :) |
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| 08:15.22 | sp4rc | waldvogel: i have to admit that i am quit picky |
| 08:15.26 | sp4rc | waldvogel: :) |
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| 08:18.12 | samantha-a-- | what's the kernel module name for cifs support? |
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| 08:19.52 | yeshellothere | samantha-a--: i believe it is 'cifs' |
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| 08:21.25 | samantha-a-- | ah there we go. install the module, life is good. |
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| 08:23.56 | slikts | how do I debien? |
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| 08:28.03 | sp4rc | another thing: i have no sound output on my fresh installation, my sndcard is a creative audigy 2 |
| 08:28.16 | sp4rc | this has worked flawless on fedora 15/16 |
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| 08:28.39 | sp4rc | lspci shows "05:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)" |
| 08:28.43 | somiaj | !tell sp4rc -about alsa check-list |
| 08:28.43 | waldvogel | sp4rc: alsamixer > check if it's muted |
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| 08:29.00 | somiaj | !tell sp4rc -about alsa checklist |
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| 08:34.17 | sp4rc | somiaj: 1) i am a member of group audio 2) done 3) how can i check this? 4) checked 5) i don't hear anything 6) checked |
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| 08:35.51 | waldvogel | sp4rc: type 'groups' as user |
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| 08:36.32 | sp4rc | waldvogel: as mentioned i am already a member of group "audio" |
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| 08:36.43 | waldvogel | ah, misread |
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| 08:37.06 | sp4rc | waldvogel: also aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav as root does play anything :( |
| 08:37.42 | sp4rc | i also have no /dev/dsp device |
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| 08:40.05 | sp4rc | hm also there is no /etc/asound.conf |
| 08:40.32 | samantha-a-- | oh found it |
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| 08:56.20 | Galaxor | I'm trying to set up dbndns. tinydns is only listening on udp6, though. Attempts to reach it on ipv4 are unsuccessful. |
| 08:56.28 | Galaxor | They'll time out. |
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| 09:01.06 | elex1112 | Hey, i've got a short questionabout procmail. Sorting works fine in my setup. Is it posible to move i.e. Evertything into an Folder with the name of the Topic, without defining a rule for each one? Just getting the topic and putting into an Folder wit the same name. (Sorry for my bad english) |
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| 09:02.18 | colo-work | elex1112, I don't know (since I use dovecot's sieve for that), but I'd guess so. you should probably take a look at regular expressions and backreferencing |
| 09:03.45 | elex1112 | colo-work Ok, Will have a look. Is this possible with sieve? |
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| 09:04.25 | colo-work | elex1112, with a recent enough dovecot version, it should be, yeah. |
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| 09:19.57 | Peace- | hi |
| 09:20.05 | Peace- | i was trying to do a debian package |
| 09:20.11 | Peace- | but i have some trouble here |
| 09:20.28 | Peace- | it should remove some other packages |
| 09:20.33 | Peace- | but i didn't on the installation |
| 09:20.43 | Peace- | it* |
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| 09:40.59 | tdn | How to obtain a debian lenny image? |
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| 09:44.36 | themill | dpkg: tell tdn about install lenny |
| 09:45.21 | themill | tdn: I presume you're making an installation of lenny in a VM so that you can belatedly test out a lenny->squeeze there before doing it in production... |
| 09:46.42 | tdn | themill, that is correct. |
| 09:48.56 | themill | ;) |
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| 09:53.30 | tdn | themill, I have downloaded the netinst iso and am installing in VM now. When I select mirror, it says that the mirror does not have the release file? |
| 09:53.42 | tdn | Which mirror to use? I have tried all mirrors in my country. |
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| 09:54.05 | tdn | I have also tried ftp.us.debian.org |
| 09:55.10 | ecolitan | i have a file which I cannot rm, it gives an error Device or resource busy. but the file is not not listed in lsof at all... |
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| 09:55.26 | tdn | It says: Bad archive mirror: The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. |
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| 09:58.32 | mahdy | i want to change my timezone to UTC-10:30 , but there isnt any real location in the world that have this time zone and i cant find this time zone in etc category when reconfiguring tzdata , how can i add my custom timezone ? |
| 10:02.05 | ksk | xD |
| 10:03.02 | jelly | mahdy: uh... apt-get source tzdata, look around the source to figure out the format, and add your new timezone |
| 10:03.11 | jelly | !tell mahdy about package rebuild |
| 10:05.49 | Fudge | is the business card iso a net installer? |
| 10:07.09 | Fudge | oh no its different |
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| 10:08.50 | Oniklus | is it possible to let rsync keep one dir in sync with the other? so that changes to the source dir will be copied to the destination dir immediately |
| 10:09.29 | ChrisH | Oniklus: some kind of replicating Filesystems? |
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| 10:10.07 | Oniklus | I want the changes to be copied over SSH |
| 10:10.30 | ChrisH | From my understaning this is not possible with rsync... you need eg. Global Filesystem from SunCluster |
| 10:10.36 | Oniklus | I want a dir to be watched by an application and if changes are made to copy those changes to the remote system |
| 10:11.03 | Oniklus | I have done this with winscp on windows, but right now I am on linux |
| 10:11.10 | ChrisH | and calling rsync every x minutes will (depending on the Filesystem size) cause high CPU load. |
| 10:12.12 | ChrisH | rsync does work with ssh below. How often do you expect updates and what size is the Filesystem? |
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| 10:14.17 | youlysses | ... I used wpa_passphrase & wpa_supplicant ... but how do I link it to an ip like I would if dhcpcd was available in the default install? |
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| 10:27.34 | youlysses | Then what the heck ... :-/ |
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| 11:08.15 | valdyn | lusers`: why would it be in /nfs ? |
| 11:09.19 | lusers` | valdyn, I'm using autofs. I have "/nfs /etc/auto.nfs --ghost" in my "/etc/auto.master" |
| 11:09.57 | lusers` | valdyn, It was working fine and I decided to go back to squeeze on my desktop (nfs server). |
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| 11:10.58 | lusers` | I'm not ready for Gnome3. I don't like it that they're hiding some things such as opened windows. >_> |
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| 11:12.22 | nyu | Hi! I want to add squeeze-backports to my system but I don't want aptitude full-upgrade to upgrade the entire system to backports. |
| 11:12.46 | valdyn | nyu: read the instructions at backports.debian.org |
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| 11:13.04 | lusers` | valdyn, You don't know the solution? Let me know. Thx. |
| 11:13.25 | valdyn | lusers`: i can imagine that you didnt downgrade properly, but i know nothing about autofs |
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| 11:14.41 | lusers` | vader-, No downgrade. Clean install. I see. Autofs is awesome. It mount and unmount automagically when you need them. You can access your other machines by going to /net/machineName.local/ and I recently learned about NFS too. So I'm inexperienced with NFS. ;) |
| 11:14.46 | lusers` | valdyn, ^^ |
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| 11:24.50 | tdn | Upgrade procedure for lenny->squeeze says: check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" .... However, 2.6.32 is not available for install in lenny. What to do? |
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| 11:30.10 | tdn | Where do I get linux-image-2.6.32 in lenny? |
| 11:30.18 | tdn | I cannot upgrade to squeeze without it? |
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| 11:30.48 | mjt | heh. lenny. |
| 11:30.58 | tdn | ? |
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| 11:31.24 | mjt | why it needed for it to be discontinued for people to notice? |
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| 11:31.44 | Rienzilla | meh |
| 11:31.58 | Rienzilla | it can be quite a pain to dist-upgrade all your systems :) |
| 11:32.14 | Woet | tdn: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 11:32.18 | mjt | yeah, so lets wait till it be discontinued, maybe it'd be less pain? :) |
| 11:32.22 | Woet | tdn: http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 11:32.35 | mjt | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:32.39 | mjt | um |
| 11:32.42 | gele | hello, i'm running squeeze as a guest inside a squeeze host with qemu-kvm (the version available in squeeze). for some reason, some of the programs i run in the guest have their colours all wrong - it looks like everything that is supposed to be blue is not blue, and everything that is not supposed to be blue is blue. it only happens for certain programs (all Qt programs by the look of it) and not for iceweasel, gnome-terminal and some other |
| 11:32.42 | gele | s. |
| 11:32.42 | Rienzilla | well no, but I can relate to the fact that one didn't finish upgrading everything until the previous release is eol :) |
| 11:32.46 | themill | tdn: please ignore those two links and just read the release notes. |
| 11:32.48 | Woet | [13:32:43] <dpkg> Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 11:32.49 | gele | does anyone know what might cause this? |
| 11:32.53 | Woet | !+lenny->squeeze |
| 11:32.54 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 11:32.55 | Woet | heh |
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| 11:32.59 | Rienzilla | I just finished my last few systems this month |
| 11:33.23 | themill | Woet: both those links do *not* follow the procedure outlined in the release notes and will lead to udev+kernel problems in many situations. |
| 11:33.34 | gele | i wouldn't particularly mind if it wasn't for the fact that i need to use qgis in the guest, and all maps look blue... |
| 11:33.35 | Woet | themill: always worked for me, 100+ servers |
| 11:33.54 | themill | Woet: and it doesn't work in many situations, hence the section being written in the release notes the way it is |
| 11:34.06 | Woet | themill: which situations? |
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| 11:34.58 | themill | Woet: running squeeze on an older kernel is particularly problematic; anything involving kde (because of the 3.5->4 change) is also very problematic. |
| 11:35.30 | Woet | themill: you don't run kde on servers and it always upgraded the kernel for me (the commands mentioned in the links) |
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| 11:35.37 | npmapn | Hello. |
| 11:35.39 | npmapn | I've encountered an issue on squeeze. |
| 11:35.48 | npmapn | I've got mysql-server 5.1.49-3 on one box and 5.1.61-0+squeeze1 on another. |
| 11:36.19 | npmapn | Why does making a clean install of squeeze allow it to install 5.1.61 and the old one can only have 5.1.49? |
| 11:36.28 | mjt | gele: try different vga modes. but overall, linux GUI guest is usually a bad idea. |
| 11:36.31 | themill | Woet: quite simply, squeeze's udev will barf if running on lenny's kernel and you can be left with an apt that cannot recover from that. That check was relaxed just before the squeeze release but lenny kernel+squeeze udev will create the wrong device nodes for some raid controllers |
| 11:36.55 | Woet | themill: as mentioned, the commands always told me to install the latest linux-image-* |
| 11:37.11 | themill | Woet: those websites don't do that... that's my entire point |
| 11:37.12 | Woet | themill: I'm not arguing by the way, I'll do as dpkg says next time. just commenting :) |
| 11:37.13 | mjt | gele: i mean, different -vga {cirrus|std|vmware}. You may want qemu-kvm from backports for the latter 2. |
| 11:37.25 | gele | mjt: ok, thanks. |
| 11:37.26 | Woet | themill: the commands on those websites made apt install linux-image-* for me |
| 11:37.46 | mjt | gele: but it is still a bad idea mind you :) |
| 11:37.47 | gele | i find it extraordinarily weird that it only happens for certain X clients. |
| 11:37.55 | themill | Woet: if you had a custom kernel or didn't have the kernel metapackage installed, then it wouldn't |
| 11:37.56 | Woet | themill: nano /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot is my usual upgrade way |
| 11:38.03 | Woet | themill: okay, that's possible. |
| 11:38.04 | themill | npmapn: you need to enable security on the machine |
| 11:38.07 | themill | dpkg: tell npmapn about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 11:38.35 | mjt | Woet: this way it wont recover if power goes down in the process |
| 11:38.36 | gele | maybe the qt programs are drawing RGBA graphics while everything else is drawing RGB, or something? |
| 11:38.53 | Woet | mjt: power never goes down in our datacenter :p |
| 11:39.05 | mjt | Woet: it is not without a reason they recommend to upgrade kernel first and _reboot_ into it. |
| 11:39.20 | mjt | Woet: not only power, but the system may stuck/hang/crash, that counts too |
| 11:39.26 | Woet | mjt: okay |
| 11:39.36 | npmapn | themill: I see, thank you. Those were set up by the lxc scripts. Should've checked this. Thank you. |
| 11:40.10 | mjt | Woet: also, some components may actually require more recent kernel and will fail when installed while old kernel is running... |
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| 11:44.07 | tdn | themill, do the procedure from dpkg follow procedure? |
| 11:45.13 | tdn | themill, the .32 kernel is not available in lenny. What to do? |
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| 11:47.44 | themill | tdn: neither dpkg nor the release notes are telling you to install 2.6.32 from lenny |
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| 11:51.38 | lusers` | I have a question about NFS. I have set it up. I can access it fine in /net/xps.local/random/random/Movies -- but I can't access /nfs/Movies/ -- Any suggestions? |
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| 11:52.17 | lusers` | I'm using autofs. I have "/nfs /etc/auto.nfs --ghost" in my "/etc/auto.master". It was working fine until I went back to Squeeze (clean install) on my desktop/server from Wheezy. |
| 11:53.02 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 11:53.11 | themill | (topicdiff: lenny no longer on mirrors) |
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| 12:03.21 | lcc | where can I fetch the scripts that are used to make the official debian cd sets? |
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| 12:04.03 | Guest18413 | debian-cd package? |
| 12:05.13 | gele | mjt: turns out that just changing the guest colour depth to 16 fixes it. |
| 12:05.49 | gele | presumably there's a bug in the colour space conversion, but 16 bits is enough for me. |
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| 12:07.02 | tdn | themill, oh! I misunderstood then. :) |
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| 12:08.44 | lusers` | Interesting question. Does 192.168.1.0/24 mean 192.168.1.* ? |
| 12:08.55 | lusers` | Or only up to 24? |
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| 12:12.44 | llutz | lusers`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing |
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| 12:15.06 | npmapn | Is it possible to skip the tests when rebuilding a package with dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 12:16.45 | DamienCassou | Hi |
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| 12:17.04 | DamienCassou | it looks like debuild doesn't use seahorse keyring to get the passphrase to sign packages. I always have to type my passphrase. How can I fix this please? |
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| 12:17.34 | themill | dpkg: tell npmapn about nocheck |
| 12:17.53 | themill | npmapn: not all packages support that option; if you find one that doesn't, please file a bug asking the maintainer to support it |
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| 12:20.52 | npmapn | themill: Thank you once again for your help. I'll make sure to report such packages. |
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| 12:21.48 | themill | npmapn: note that tests failing is a sign that the build isn't good... nocheck is mostly useful for tests that take ages to run |
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| 12:22.32 | npmapn | themill: I agree with you, but, in this case, it was a test which wanted to set up a mysql database. That's why I wanted to skip the tests. |
| 12:23.02 | npmapn | This was php-5.33-7+squeeze8. |
| 12:23.04 | themill | npmapn: ahh. yuck. Working on that sort of package in a vm can be worthwhile |
| 12:23.11 | Devilholk | Can I run squeeze and wheezy at the same time somehow? Let's say I want the latest version of some package and it depends on a few other packages etc. |
| 12:23.23 | themill | Devilholk: can you elaborate on "some package" |
| 12:23.38 | Devilholk | Oh you're here too ^^ |
| 12:23.41 | Devilholk | In this case it was wine |
| 12:23.48 | mr_daniel | Just installed Debain 6.0.4. Which package to I need to install for the network tools 'ip' and 'ss'? |
| 12:23.57 | jelly | ,file bin/ss |
| 12:24.01 | judd | Search for bin/ss in squeeze/i386: iproute: sbin/ss |
| 12:24.07 | jelly | mr_daniel: "iproute" |
| 12:24.28 | themill | Devilholk: ahh... you can "/msg dpkg wine-unstable" and rebuild those packages for squeeze. (personally, I just pay a trivial amount for cxoffice to get the newer wine and support wine development) |
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| 12:25.13 | jelly | you call $40 trivial?!?!?!? |
| 12:25.14 | Devilholk | themill: What is cxoffice? |
| 12:25.18 | mr_daniel | thanks jelly |
| 12:25.26 | Devilholk | lives on social welfare >.< |
| 12:25.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Devilholk about cxoffice |
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| 12:25.54 | jelly | Devilholk: how do you afford windows software! |
| 12:26.07 | themill | Devilholk: you can rebuild those wine-unstable packages for squeeze with a couple of tweaks to the debian/control file in them. |
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| 12:26.59 | Devilholk | jelly: There is free windows software |
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| 12:27.13 | njduuw | :D |
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| 12:27.14 | listenpreis | hey |
| 12:27.37 | Devilholk | themill: Thanks, now atleast I know where to look the next time I attempt this. I should reinstall most of the stuff on this sytem soon though since it's getting messy |
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| 12:27.54 | listenpreis | I could need some advice on how to get my installation to work properly |
| 12:27.57 | Devilholk | But I love that debian doesnt get messy by itself, only when I do bad things to it. Not at all like windows. |
| 12:28.02 | themill | Devilholk: as I mentioned earlier, you could probably upgrade that machine to wheezy at this stage and be relatively happy |
| 12:28.26 | yandex718 | Devilholk: Windows doesn't get "messy" by itself, only if software developers abuse the registry etc. |
| 12:28.27 | npmapn | Unforunately, there's also open source software which is windows only. That's also a reason to use wine. |
| 12:28.39 | Devilholk | themill: Everything is broken. I have major trouble even getting connected to the internet now. I think a complete purge is in order =) |
| 12:28.40 | listenpreis | it always stucks at 88%, saying Processing preseed and then it crashes - I suppose it has to do with the bootmanager - that it maybe is unable to find sda? could that be? |
| 12:28.53 | Devilholk | yandex718: True |
| 12:31.09 | yandex718 | Does anyone know if the minor releases of Debian update the included wireless drivers? 6.0.0 didn't work with my wireless PCI card. |
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| 12:31.23 | valdyn | yandex718: they dont |
| 12:32.07 | themill | yandex718: there's backports.debian.org for newer kernels which often helps |
| 12:32.34 | yandex718 | themill: I can't connect to the repository without wireless access though |
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| 12:33.40 | themill | yandex718: you can either download the .debs on another machine and then manually install them or use the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) to do the installation with a newer kernel |
| 12:33.44 | themill | or you could just leave... |
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| 12:34.17 | LiranV | hi guys.. how can i make my debian box boot to 640x480 resolution? |
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| 12:34.40 | ChrisH | lusers`: NFS/AutoFS issue still there? |
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| 12:35.29 | WormFood | what packages do I need to control a 3G usb card? |
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| 12:36.45 | valdyn | WormFood: are you using network-manager in gnome? |
| 12:37.23 | LiranV | how can i make my debian (desktop env - gnome) boot to 640x480 resolution? |
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| 12:38.17 | WormFood | valdyn, no I'm not (not on the machine I want to test this on)...if network manager makes this easier to test, I have a different machine I can use. |
| 12:38.18 | zamba | i'm looking for a package that automatically (or semi-automatically by notifying me) updates the system.. does something like that exist? |
| 12:38.26 | gfc | just |
| 12:39.00 | valdyn | WormFood: in network-manager in works out of the box, pretty much, just plug it in |
| 12:39.17 | valdyn | WormFood: you probably need to be in the plugdev and/or netdev groups |
| 12:40.14 | WormFood | thanks for that info. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the suggestion. I will check it out with network manager. If I actually do end up using it, it would be on that computer that is using network manager anyways, so that aspect of it is good. |
| 12:40.21 | valdyn | WormFood: you want the modemmanager and the usb-modeswitch packages installed, but they probably already are if you have gnome installed |
| 12:40.46 | WormFood | yeah, usb-modeswitch is installed on my desktop, so I'd expect it to also be installed on my laptop |
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| 12:42.24 | LiranV | how can i make my debian (desktop env - gnome) boot to 640x480 resolution? |
| 12:43.23 | valdyn | WormFood: theres a database already included with settings for many carriers |
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| 12:45.05 | WormFood | where do I enable it? I can see it listed under mobile broadband, but I see no other ways to actually enable it. |
| 12:45.12 | slikts | what has a smaller footprint, tinydns or maradns? |
| 12:45.21 | WormFood | valdyn, should it show up with the wireless networks? |
| 12:45.50 | valdyn | WormFood: did you fix group membership? |
| 12:46.21 | WormFood | I was already in those groups |
| 12:46.44 | valdyn | WormFood: ok, see in dmesg if ttyUSBX were found |
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| 12:47.21 | LiranV | no body can help me? |
| 12:47.30 | WormFood | don't see anything |
| 12:47.54 | WormFood | LiranV, edit your x11 config file |
| 12:48.06 | LiranV | xorg.conf? |
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| 12:48.25 | valdyn | WormFood: i dont have a stick right now, but a phone, that makes ttyACM0 for me right now |
| 12:48.56 | valdyn | WormFood: if your stick is a combined phone and storage device you might have to usb-modeswitch |
| 12:49.23 | WormFood | I'm guessing I need to do the mode switch thingy...let me check that out. Thanks for your help. |
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| 12:53.31 | zamba | no idea? |
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| 12:54.38 | zamba | cron-apt? |
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| 12:57.28 | themill | zamba: there are a number of solutions to this -- unattended-* packages, update-notifier*; personally, I like cron-apt. |
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| 12:57.49 | Peace- | where i can find some help for debian packagin ? |
| 12:57.55 | Peace- | can i * |
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| 12:58.16 | themill | dpkg: tell Peace- about nmg |
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| 13:00.58 | inthl | e4defrag just returned this output for me - what does "Failure" in this case mean? What failed? |
| 13:00.59 | inthl | Success:[ 1760941/1977900 ] |
| 13:00.59 | inthl | Failure:[ 216959/1977900 ] |
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| 13:01.14 | inthl | there is nothing in the manpages about it |
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| 13:01.51 | theagri | hi |
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| 13:02.45 | DoctorWedgeworth | hey, I've loop mounted a partition from an LVM snapshot using losetup and kpartx, but now the snapshot is full and I can't delete the partition (I no longer need it). Any idea how I can get rid of it without restarting the server? kpartx -d /dev/loop1 gives read errors, and losetup -d /dev/loop1 won't let me remove it because kpartx has it. lvremove might work but I'm hesitant |
| 13:03.34 | theagri | I don't know -t- |
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| 13:08.26 | WormFood | anyone have any ideas why my audio is not working now? Starting yesterday, it just quit working. I reboot into winblows, and sound works fine, I reboot into Linux, and no sound...reboot Linux, and I get sound for an hour or so, then back to the same thing as yesterday. Anything outputting sound just hangs. Audacious will hang, and has to be killed with a -9 signal. |
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| 13:08.55 | WormFood | I didn't install anything new, and I didn't mess with any audio settings lately. |
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| 13:09.10 | WormFood | and nothing in the logs that I've found yet. |
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| 13:09.35 | MonkeyDust | guys, i'm an ubuntu user, just installed debian 6 squeeze, cannot sudo : "command not found" - something I missed? hints & tips? |
| 13:09.45 | themill | MonkeyDust: install it |
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| 13:10.01 | Peace- | themill: i mean the irc channel |
| 13:10.11 | Peace- | meant |
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| 13:10.18 | MonkeyDust | themill i'm speechless ;) didnt know i have to install it |
| 13:10.23 | theagri | search it sudoers |
| 13:10.42 | themill | Peace-: each of the < ... > things in the factoid are a cross-reference that you can ask dpkg about. |
| 13:11.15 | Peace- | themill: the problem it's that it should work but it doesn't |
| 13:11.23 | Peace- | it's a problem of <> |
| 13:11.31 | Peace- | maybe it's not clear |
| 13:11.32 | themill | eh? |
| 13:11.34 | WormFood | here we go, "pulseaudio[2645]: alsa-sink.c: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy" in my logs....how do I clear this problem? |
| 13:11.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Peace- about mentors |
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| 13:12.09 | WormFood | MonkeyDust, apt-get install sudo or aptitude install sudo |
| 13:12.26 | themill | MonkeyDust: you will also want to "adduser yourusername sudo" then log out and log back in. |
| 13:12.45 | WormFood | does not use sudo |
| 13:13.07 | Arafangion | has an idea why WormFood is named such. |
| 13:13.53 | WormFood | Arafangion, 6 feet under |
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| 13:14.59 | WormFood | Arafangion, this was my node name from a network I was part of over 20 years ago. |
| 13:14.59 | MonkeyDust | WormFood themill tnx! works like a charm (y) |
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| 13:15.23 | Arafangion | WormFood: Awesome, but I was referring more to your rejection of sudo. :) |
| 13:15.45 | WormFood | MonkeyDust, there are a lot of tutorials out there. Many things will be the same, and other similar, but some things will be completely different....overall, you should have a fairly easy time adapting |
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| 13:15.54 | lasers | MonkeyDust: http://wiki.debian.org/sudo -- Welcome to Debian. :) |
| 13:16.00 | WormFood | Arafangion, I just open another window as root, for doing my root things. |
| 13:16.22 | MonkeyDust | debian is for my remote server, old pc 2002 or so |
| 13:16.24 | WormFood | if I'm a normal user, and I need root and don't want to retype the command, I use su -c "command to run" |
| 13:16.46 | Arafangion | WormFood: That's suboptimal, and besides, what's wrong with sudo? |
| 13:16.51 | WormFood | and when I use ssh, I always use screen |
| 13:17.04 | MonkeyDust | me too, screen, ssh |
| 13:17.08 | WormFood | actually, I find the method I use to be the best for me. |
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| 13:17.21 | WormFood | I reserve the first 1-3 windows for doing root stuff. |
| 13:17.36 | WormFood | actually, my first window is a tail on my log files |
| 13:17.40 | Arafangion | WormFood: Sounds like you're root very frequently, that's a hard habit to break. |
| 13:17.49 | Arafangion | WormFood: What's wrong with say, sudo tail -f ... ? |
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| 13:18.01 | WormFood | I'm a systems administrator. I rarely do things as a normal user, except on my desktop |
| 13:18.20 | Arafangion | Especially so. Don't you want to maintain a log of sudo activities? |
| 13:18.40 | Arafangion | Do you share your access with anyone? |
| 13:18.43 | WormFood | I'm the only admin on my boxes |
| 13:18.51 | WormFood | if I shared access, I'd use sudo for sure. |
| 13:19.19 | Arafangion | Yeah, the advantage becomes more pronounced, but I still don't get why using sudo would be less convenient. |
| 13:19.24 | WormFood | I just find, for how I operate, it is easier/quicker for me to just have another window open as root |
| 13:20.04 | Arafangion | Each to their own. |
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| 13:20.08 | WormFood | you're probably thinking I'm doing too many things as root, that I should do as a normal user, but I'm real good about not giving my user too much access. |
| 13:20.29 | WormFood | I find that when I am doing stuff as root, it is usually more than one thing |
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| 13:20.48 | kesroesweyth | Arafangion > I don't defend the act of logging in as root directly to do things that could be done using sudo, but that said, I find myself just logging in as root via SSH to accomplish tasks on my servers. |
| 13:20.52 | Arafangion | WormFood: The only times I use root, is to edit a file accessible only by root, or to install/remove software. |
| 13:20.53 | kesroesweyth | It's just.. easier. |
| 13:20.57 | WormFood | if I was just typing in the random command here and there as root, then I'd probably use sudo, but I typically find myself either in a role as a user or admin, not usually mixed |
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| 13:21.18 | homes | sod prefixing everything with 'sudo ', we type enough as it is |
| 13:21.20 | Arafangion | kesroesweyth: That's a separate issue! |
| 13:21.35 | Arafangion | WormFood: So use sudo -i |
| 13:21.36 | WormFood | agrees with homes |
| 13:22.07 | WormFood | what is the difference between sudo -i and su -c? |
| 13:22.14 | WormFood | environment? |
| 13:22.22 | Arafangion | WormFood: Environment variables, yeah, sudo -i simulates initial login. |
| 13:22.35 | WormFood | yeah, that usually isn't what I want |
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| 13:22.50 | lusers` | I really don't know why I'm having issues with NFS/AutoFS. I can access /net/machine.local/random/random -- but I can't access /nfs/random. I'm looking for somebody who know autofs/nfs |
| 13:22.51 | Arafangion | WormFood: I notice that it still has my user's XAUTHORITY. |
| 13:23.16 | WormFood | anyways...that is how I handle things on my machines as root....as you said, to each their own. |
| 13:23.24 | Arafangion | So, eg, xclock works in sudo -i without tricks. |
| 13:23.27 | Arafangion | yeah. |
| 13:23.55 | WormFood | I can't say one way is better or more right than the other, except under specific conditions (for shared root access, for sure, sudo is the right tool for the job) |
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| 13:24.06 | ChrisH | lusers`: showmount -e ; rpcinfo -p do show the needed things? |
| 13:24.25 | Arafangion | WormFood: I find it's convenient to use sudo, because it's easy to script, and I've modified my working h abits so that I really simply don't use root often. |
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| 13:25.28 | homes | sudo has its place, but i wouldn't really argue for competent people to use it, anymore than i'd insist they make all system changes through puppet |
| 13:25.46 | lusers` | ChrisH. I'm new to NFS. showmount -e (ip) shows a export list -- Seems correct. I can access the exported path on client (using /net -hosts). |
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| 13:26.04 | Arafangion | Point. |
| 13:26.06 | homes | makes all system changes through sudo puppet apply :) |
| 13:26.13 | Arafangion | And the user with sudo access effectively becomes an administrator. |
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| 13:26.22 | kesroesweyth | I guess I don't see the concern in using root. If access to the root account is secured and you know what you're doing (and have proper backups), why bother with sudo? I'm asking legitimately, not arguing, btw. |
| 13:26.39 | coll2 | hello |
| 13:27.15 | homes | kesroesweyth: i think in the case of ubuntu, and their generally incompentent community, it was quite a good choice to not have a root account |
| 13:27.27 | kesroesweyth | homes > so do I |
| 13:27.27 | WormFood | kesroesweyth, it is habit. Some people want to reduce the risk of making a mistake as root, so limit their access with sudo |
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| 13:27.34 | coll2 | how are permissions applied when i accidentally performed this ? |
| 13:27.34 | coll2 | chmod 644 -rwx--s--x 1 root utmp 16416 Dec 12 2006 /usr/lib64/vte/gnome-pty-helper |
| 13:27.40 | ChrisH | lusers`: I understood its a mount from localhost. please do a 'ssh localhost who -um' What is shown in () at the end? Is it exported to that system? I assume not, but to your local network. |
| 13:28.11 | kesroesweyth | WormFood > I see. So I'm not missing some grand benefit of avoiding direct use of the root account, it's just safer.. |
| 13:28.20 | kesroesweyth | WormFood > not to, thatis. |
| 13:28.22 | Arafangion | WormFood: Also, I want to be _sure_ that what I intended is indeed what happens, which is why I would tend to, say, create and install software (into a fakeroot) as a user. |
| 13:28.38 | Arafangion | (Then again, debian handles that even better, with .debs) |
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| 13:28.46 | WormFood | I prefer to make .debs |
| 13:28.53 | homes | kesroesweyth: sudo is very useful in big environments, the web developers should be able to restart/stop/start/reload apache, but nothing else |
| 13:29.18 | ed8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.19 | WormFood | absolutely agreed homes |
| 13:29.26 | slikts | ed8: sudoers file |
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| 13:29.35 | Arafangion | ed8: visudo |
| 13:29.44 | WormFood | sudo is just a tool...and it is not always the right tool for the job |
| 13:29.53 | slikts | WormFood: you're a tool |
| 13:29.59 | kesroesweyth | homes > Of course. I always forget about that feature of sudo, but yes, you're right. I'm thinking more along the lines of a personal server than one in a work environment where multiple users have access. |
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| 13:30.02 | themill | ed8: "adduser yourusername sudo" is probably what you're looking for |
| 13:30.08 | homes | waves around his tool |
| 13:30.10 | Arafangion | WormFood: Now, I can't argue against that! |
| 13:30.54 | homes | kesroesweyth: in the name of avoiding |
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| 13:31.19 | homes | kesroesweyth: RSI [typign in the dark, hit enter] I use it a lot with the NOPASSWD option |
| 13:31.39 | coll2 | 1 backup Desktop index.html install.log.syslog nohup.out package scripts tlm.root.ser |
| 13:31.44 | lusers` | ChrisH, Nothing shows up when I ran "ssh localhost who -um" |
| 13:31.46 | coll2 | whoops |
| 13:31.49 | coll2 | sorry |
| 13:31.55 | lusers` | ChrisH, (on the desktop/nfs-server) |
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| 13:32.52 | vdonnef | Hi!! |
| 13:33.56 | ChrisH | lusers`: retry using: ssh localhost then as command who -um |
| 13:34.16 | lusers` | ChrisH, (localhost) |
| 13:35.18 | njduuw | one of the squeeze repositories is broken: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 13:36.23 | njduuw | debian generated it on install |
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| 13:37.07 | ChrisH | lusers`: thats what I expected... I assume you did not export to localhost :) |
| 13:37.08 | Galaxor | wc |
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| 13:37.14 | WormFood | does firefox/flash still have a problem with pulseaudo after all these years? |
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| 13:38.14 | WormFood | suddenly I notice sound is working again, but only in firefox...if i try to play a video or any music, it just hangs...kill firefox, and all is good again....I remember dealing with this shit years ago...didn't realize it was STILL a problem. |
| 13:38.33 | lusers` | ChrisH, From XBMC HTPC, I can access /net/xps.local/media/LONG-UUID-HERE/Movies -- but not /nfs/Movies -- http://pastebin.com/b9UPabAw |
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| 13:38.52 | njduuw | flash is a pain in the ass |
| 13:39.00 | WormFood | HATES flash |
| 13:39.02 | lusers` | ChrisH, It was working fine -- but I didn't like Gnome3 so I went back to Squeeze from Wheezy (clean install) -- I kept the backup /etc |
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| 13:39.20 | Dulak | WormFood: Install Chrome, and it all goes away. |
| 13:39.31 | njduuw | chromium + |
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| 13:39.49 | WormFood | Dulak, that isn't a solution to the problem, it is a work-around |
| 13:39.58 | WormFood | thanks anyways. |
| 13:40.37 | Dulak | See, that IS a solution to the problem. 'I want flash to work.' Just not the problem you are bitching about 'I want flash to work in Firefox.' |
| 13:40.40 | njduuw | WormFood: you should give more information. is it a flash player or some other audio plugin |
| 13:40.52 | themill | njduuw: broken in what way? that URL is actually a dns round-robin so it might be that one of the machines in the round-robin is unhappy. |
| 13:41.04 | WormFood | I'm 99.9% sure it is flash that is doing it. |
| 13:41.43 | ChrisH | lusers`: what if you move from nfsv4 to nfsv3? I am missing the showmunt -e xps.local and a df -h from xps.local. XBMC HTPC is a different system then xps.local? On which system are we talking about? |
| 13:42.16 | njduuw | I don't know how. It hasn't worked for a week but maybe they have banned foreign ips |
| 13:42.31 | lusers` | Does Apple not like Flash because it's garbage or does Apple not like Flash because App Store would be useless? You decide! :) |
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| 13:42.49 | WormFood | Dulak, go away. I don't need YOUR "help", thanks anyways. |
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| 13:43.09 | Dulak | Yeah, I got flash movies to watch, g'luck with it. |
| 13:43.13 | njduuw | WormFood: we don't even know which version of flash you have |
| 13:43.42 | WormFood | it was the newest as of a month or two ago. 64-bit i'd have to check the version |
| 13:44.02 | njduuw | have you tried 32bit version of it? |
| 13:44.03 | WormFood | Dulak, I don't give a shit about movies, and if I wanted to watch movies, it sure as hell wouldn't be with flash. |
| 13:44.06 | ChrisH | lusers`: I never saw -ghost as special map before. Due to my Solaris background I use -host here. On my system at home I have /net -vers=3 /etc/auto.net |
| 13:44.29 | Dulak | WormFood: THat's great, but my flash works, why are you still talking to me? |
| 13:44.34 | WormFood | njduuw, if I remember correctly, the 32-bit plugin won't work with the 64-bit browser |
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| 13:45.02 | themill | njduuw: sounds like you need to pick a mirror that is closer to you and just use that instead. /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 13:45.54 | njduuw | why do you need a 64bit browser? Is it even firefox nightly, dev-version? |
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| 13:46.08 | WormFood | don't forget there are at least 2 program, that attempt to benchmark the different mirrors, and pick the fastest one for you, however I've found their methods for determining the speed to be less than optimal. (it frequently returns slower servers) |
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| 13:46.46 | WormFood | this problem just started...probably when I upgraded firefox. |
| 13:46.54 | njduuw | yeah, I have used apt-spy and found a better mirror. I just thoughth it would be useful to somebody that I report if a mirror is not working. |
| 13:47.13 | njduuw | but maybe there is no problem :) |
| 13:47.22 | WormFood | njduuw, probably hit-and-miss to find someone using the same mirror. |
| 13:47.47 | njduuw | I mean why keep mirrors that are not working properly |
| 13:48.11 | ed8 | I want to be able to restart my apache server with a special user, so I edited the /etc/sudoers |
| 13:48.22 | lusers` | ChrisH, Okay. I'll try to make this more clear. xps.local is my machine (desktop computer + nfs-server). mia.local is my XBMC HTPC client. |
| 13:48.23 | WormFood | oh...yeah...that....yeah, I agree with you |
| 13:48.34 | njduuw | WormFood: use the stable version of firefox (32bit) |
| 13:48.48 | ed8 | like : Cmnd_Alias SERVICES = /sbin/service |
| 13:48.51 | lusers` | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/WTDMAjg7 |
| 13:48.54 | ed8 | then add the line: ajlsm ALL=NOPASSWD:SERVICES, TOMCAT6 |
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| 13:49.01 | WormFood | actually, I think it is 32-bit...i'll have to double check. |
| 13:49.18 | ed8 | but when I try to restart the server I got 'Restarting web server: apache2(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
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| 13:49.28 | njduuw | the 64bit flash always gives some trouble |
| 13:49.34 | ed8 | I have no problem as root |
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| 13:50.10 | tralala | ed8, you can't bind to ports < 1024 unless you're root |
| 13:50.10 | lusers` | ChrisH, it was working fine. I didn't change a thing on client. The only differences is squeeze and wheezy. I must be missing something. |
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| 13:51.29 | ed8 | tralala: even with modification to /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 13:51.55 | judgen | hi, i disabled kernel modesettings to get debian to run properly, but now i can no longer get into X11 |
| 13:52.02 | judgen | rather odd, asx it worked a while back |
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| 13:53.08 | Dulak | ed8: you should 'su' to the user, and make sure the sudo command you are trying to run works. Once that works, you can add sudo to the command wherever you are running it. |
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| 13:55.42 | lusers` | ChrisH, I have "portmap mountd nfsd statd lockd rquotad : ALL" in /etc/hosts.deny and "portmap mountd nfsd statd lockd rquotad: 192.168.1." in my /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 13:56.24 | ChrisH | lusers`: I did not manage it with different Debian versions on NFS client side to get the /net stuff to work. |
| 13:57.03 | lusers` | ChrisH, A server and a client? They both are running Squeeze. |
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| 13:57.30 | ChrisH | lusers`: But here it looks different... You export /media/UUID and have the Filesystems mounted on different directories named /meida/UUID1 and /media/UUID2.... UUID != UUID1 and UUID!=UUID2 |
| 13:57.41 | lusers` | ChrisH, /net stuffs works -- but /nfs (from auto.nfs) does not. When I run autofs, they shows up in /nfs/ (due to --ghost) -- but when I cd them, it'll report "no such file or directory) |
| 14:00.17 | ChrisH | lusers`: where is this -ghost defined? I cannot find it in any man-page on autofs and I did never see it before... But I am only using AUtofs for more then 15 years :) |
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| 14:01.43 | lusers` | ChrisH, The parameter ghost determines that configured mounts will always be shown, instead of only when they are inserted and accessed. This can be useful since you won't have to remember or guess the names of removable media and network shares. |
| 14:01.58 | lusers` | ChrisH, I can't find where -- but it works for me. |
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| 14:06.43 | ed8 | Dulak: tralala the path to the command wasn't correct /sbin/service instead of /usr/sbin/service (it's a bad idea to copy/page config from CentOS) |
| 14:07.06 | cusco | hi |
| 14:07.16 | cusco | I have a weird char in the beginning of a text file |
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| 14:07.26 | cusco | in nano it shows: |
| 14:07.37 | themill | cusco: UTF-8 byte order mark? |
| 14:07.40 | cusco | how can I find out what it is? |
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| 14:08.02 | themill | cusco: see what "file yourfilename.txt" says about the file. |
| 14:08.04 | cusco | themill: what is the utf-8 byte order mark? |
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| 14:08.17 | cusco | its a html |
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| 14:08.22 | cusco | a.txt: HTML document, UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, with very long lines, with CRLF, LF line terminators |
| 14:09.01 | cusco | I can delete the following html lines.. |
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| 14:09.47 | ChrisH | lusers`: despite the ghost... once more: the exported filesystems doe not match the mounted filesystems. My understanding of NFS does not expect this to work. But once more, my understanding is Solaris driven and there I would not expect that to work. |
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| 14:10.01 | themill | cusco: "with BOM" i.e. the funny character at the start of the text. You can ignore those two bytes or detele them, doesn't matter |
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| 14:10.31 | themill | cusco: the mixture of different line terminators will confuse some editors. Depends on whether you care about that or not. |
| 14:10.39 | cusco | well these guys that design websites say the site on or server shows unformated |
| 14:10.42 | cusco | due to that first char |
| 14:10.50 | cusco | its probably comming from their php |
| 14:11.15 | cusco | im going to read more on BOM |
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| 14:11.29 | cusco | thank you themill |
| 14:11.37 | themill | I can't believe that php doesn't handle files with a byte-order mark in them. |
| 14:11.48 | lusers` | ChrisH, I have sent you a link. |
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| 14:12.18 | cusco | themill: its a wordpress instalation here: http://web.pcmedic.pt/~virtualmente2/demo/ |
| 14:12.19 | themill | cusco: you may want to "/msg dpkg php wants me to download still" and check that the files are not being processed by php using wget or curl and not your browser |
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| 14:12.28 | cusco | its not that themill |
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| 14:12.46 | cusco | it shows fine in chrome or firefox (or iceweasel or chromium) but not IE |
| 14:12.59 | cusco | and that char is comming before the doc type |
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| 14:13.27 | lusers` | ChrisH, --ghost is not the problem. With --ghost, I'm able to see many directories in /net (ip6-localhost, localhost, mia, xps.local) |
| 14:13.27 | cusco | dunno where its comming from |
| 14:13.33 | cusco | but thanks then themill |
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| 14:13.59 | themill | cusco: iceweasel shows that it is rendering in quirks mode and highlights a few html problems in there. You might want to check that too |
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| 14:14.59 | themill | cusco: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.pcmedic.pt%2F~virtualmente2%2Fdemo%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 suggests you don't want the BOM (which you have discovered already) as well as quite a few other problems that will cause various browsers to do undefined things |
| 14:15.00 | judgen | Does alsa not have support for the ATI sound drivers in llano chips? |
| 14:15.01 | cusco | its not mine to check but thanks |
| 14:15.09 | cusco | yep |
| 14:15.12 | cusco | thank you themill |
| 14:15.16 | LordShiva | can iceweasel improve its loading performance beside network pipeline tweaks ? |
| 14:15.18 | cusco | (I was just chekcing that too) |
| 14:15.19 | themill | no worries. happy hunting |
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| 14:15.58 | themill | cusco: btw many editors will help you remove the byte order mark or you can get rid of it with a hex editor or iconv |
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| 14:16.31 | LordShiva | To me sometimes poorly load websites and when I put on a more than 200 requests I think taht chromium is better in loading websites |
| 14:16.42 | listenpreis | can anyone help me with a preseed problem? |
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| 14:16.59 | listenpreis | preseed.cfg is broken I think and I cannot get the installation to finish |
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| 14:21.39 | Cerise | hi, i'm trying to install debian 6.0.4 from cd on an amd64 machine. however, at some point during the installation process it's starting to hang. according to /var/log/syslog, there are some CPU soft lockups. what might be the problem? (i saved the installer logs and can upload them if needed). |
| 14:21.58 | lusers` | I need to make an important annoucement.... ChrisH is a man! He helped me solving my NFS problems! Use nfs3, not nfs4! Whoo! |
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| 14:23.19 | ChrisH | for the record... lusers` issue is fixed with -vers=3,ro in the auto.nfs |
| 14:23.50 | eugenmayer | isnt xface / lightbox part of the default distro anymore? Anything else? I need a slim WM for remote VC sessions on the server because of some remote applications like VirtualBox |
| 14:24.32 | eugenmayer | ups, my bad. Sorry |
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| 14:26.57 | cusco | themill: yet another question: how can I grep the BOM char in any files? |
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| 14:28.12 | judgen | what is the binary for the gnome-network manager |
| 14:28.14 | themill | cusco: grepping for non-printing chars is fun, grep $'\xEF\xBB\xBF' should work |
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| 14:29.22 | themill | cusco: note that will accidentally match other binary files because it's not looking for the patter explicitly at the start of the file. |
| 14:29.37 | cusco | right... |
| 14:29.39 | cusco | ok thanks |
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| 14:30.40 | themill | (I've been known to use hideous things like "find ... -exec file {} \; | grep ..." in the past.) |
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| 14:31.41 | ed8 | hi, my server use fr_FR.UTF8 as locale, but I would like to have bash message in en_US.UTF-8, how can I do that ? |
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| 14:32.01 | tremon | ed8: set LC_MESSAGES |
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| 14:33.01 | ed8 | like export LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 ? |
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| 14:34.07 | ed8 | tremon: doesn't work for me |
| 14:34.37 | tremon | ed8: yes. If it's only for bash, you don't need export, but you want it for all programs probably |
| 14:34.43 | tremon | ed8: unset LC_ALL? |
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| 14:35.37 | csotelo | hello? |
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| 14:59.51 | Rienzilla | hmm, can one disassemble a binary .deb to get the control files and all scripts back? |
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| 15:01.38 | tremon | Rienzilla: man dpkg-deb |
| 15:01.43 | lusers` | Rienzilla, Sure. Use "unp -u" |
| 15:01.59 | nkuttler | Rienzilla: ar x |
| 15:01.59 | ed8 | tremon: thanks |
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| 15:02.30 | Rienzilla | I used -e, but I only get the control file and the checksums, no installation script |
| 15:02.33 | Rienzilla | s |
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| 15:03.27 | Rienzilla | ah, ar x works, thanks |
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| 15:10.39 | PedroGomes | Hi, does the current sid or wheezy releases have some kind of version number? |
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| 15:11.03 | zamba | 6.0.4, i believe |
| 15:11.07 | tremon | PedroGomes: not officially |
| 15:11.11 | zamba | oh, you meant the testing versions |
| 15:11.14 | zamba | nevermind |
| 15:11.16 | zamba | i thought you meant squeeze :) |
| 15:11.23 | PedroGomes | I'm trying to do a automated install and I getting some errors of mismatching modules vs installer version |
| 15:11.27 | tremon | zamba: squeeze is at 6.0.5 :) |
| 15:11.31 | tremon | (i thought) |
| 15:11.35 | zamba | tremon: there you go, i should upgrade then :) |
| 15:12.17 | PedroGomes | but oh well I not even sure that is the problem, just checking |
| 15:12.30 | PedroGomes | but wheezy should be 7 and sid 8? |
| 15:12.45 | themill | wheezy will be released as 7; sid is never released |
| 15:12.55 | PedroGomes | ok makes sense |
| 15:12.57 | PedroGomes | thanks |
| 15:12.57 | tremon | zamba: seems I'm wrong, the news page says 6.0.4 was released in january (but there has been a 5.0.10 release since then) |
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| 15:13.25 | Sazpaimon | how would I capture the output of an asynchronus program in a shell script |
| 15:13.44 | tremon | Sazpaimon: what's a async program? |
| 15:13.48 | Sazpaimon | like, if I did var=$(/bin/myprogram) & |
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| 15:14.00 | Sazpaimon | and myprogram waits like 5 seconds and outputs something |
| 15:14.10 | tremon | var=$(/bin/myprogram > myoutput) & |
| 15:14.30 | tremon | don't know if that works in shell expansion, though |
| 15:14.35 | tremon | seems unlikely |
| 15:14.48 | Sazpaimon | it may, but i wanted to avoid piping stuff to files |
| 15:14.49 | tremon | but shell redirection for background commands works fine |
| 15:15.03 | Sazpaimon | I mean, I can get the PID using $! |
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| 15:15.11 | tremon | Sazpaimon: if you need the output, why are you backgrounding it then? |
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| 15:15.40 | Sazpaimon | because the program waits 5 seconds, in those 5 seconds I wanted the script to output something else in the meantime |
| 15:15.54 | Sazpaimon | like, a countdown with an informative message |
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| 15:16.08 | tremon | Sazpaimon: then background the countdown... |
| 15:16.46 | Sazpaimon | well, the program can terminate before the 5 seconds are up by user input, I should have mentioned that |
| 15:17.01 | themill | sh is probably the wrong tool for the job then, but asking #bash might be better |
| 15:17.15 | Sazpaimon | yeah maybe |
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| 15:17.36 | karlpinc | Sazpaimon: pv can sometimes help in these cases. Then again, sometimes not. |
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| 15:17.55 | Sazpaimon | I don't have pv in the environment I'm doing this in |
| 15:18.07 | Sazpaimon | (its part of an init script) |
| 15:18.24 | Sazpaimon | but yeah, this is offtopic to #debian, so I'll ask elsewhere |
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| 15:20.04 | kakashi_ | hola |
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| 15:21.23 | kakashi_ | I have a major problem here: this is my filesystem information: http://dpaste.com/721570/ |
| 15:21.56 | kakashi_ | whenever I unzip a relatively big file (apporox. 1G) it says no space left on the device |
| 15:22.20 | kakashi_ | I am not sure why |
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| 15:22.25 | drwahl | kakashi_: check for open deleted files with "lsof | grep "deleted" |
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| 15:23.11 | kakashi_ | http://dpaste.com/721571/ |
| 15:23.16 | kakashi_ | but those are very small ones |
| 15:23.50 | drwahl | which directory are you trying to unzip to? |
| 15:23.58 | sutoro | what would happen if I click that URL? |
| 15:24.01 | kakashi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.08 | tremon | kakashi_: df -i ? |
| 15:24.30 | kakashi_ | http://dpaste.com/721573/ |
| 15:24.49 | drwahl | ah, good catch tremon |
| 15:24.50 | tremon | kakashi_: are there more than 545 files in the zip archive? |
| 15:25.00 | kakashi_ | yesç |
| 15:25.13 | tremon | drwahl: yeah, that's one that bites you once and you never forget it |
| 15:25.27 | kakashi_ | uh! |
| 15:25.35 | tremon | kakashi_: you're out of file entries (inodes) |
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| 15:25.44 | kakashi_ | yes, I am getting that |
| 15:25.56 | kakashi_ | any way, i can use fdisk or something to recover/fix it |
| 15:27.00 | karlpinc | kakashi_: It depends on the filesystem. Mostly you need to make a new one to change the number of inodes. (man tune2fs) |
| 15:27.07 | tremon | kakashi_: well if you resize the filesystem you get an equal amount of inodes too. At a guess, you're better off creating a new partition for /var (as that's where most small files tend to live) |
| 15:27.30 | kakashi_ | ah |
| 15:27.45 | tremon | karlpinc: I didn't know it was possible to change the block/inode ratio |
| 15:27.57 | kakashi_ | well, how do I format it, in such a way that the inodes dont bother me |
| 15:28.08 | kakashi_ | karlpinc, this is ext3 |
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| 15:29.02 | Trewas | kakashi_: conversely one could ask how the hell did you get so few inodes in such large partition? :) |
| 15:29.12 | kakashi_ | I dont know |
| 15:29.16 | kakashi_ | this is a new installation |
| 15:29.25 | kakashi_ | and I used ext3fs |
| 15:29.27 | tremon | kakashi_: check in /etc/mke2fs.conf, mostly you need the -T argument to mkfs.extN |
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| 15:31.06 | tremon | Trewas, good catch, that's one inode per 4M of blocks |
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| 15:32.03 | kakashi_ | is there a way to flush the inodes? |
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| 15:32.33 | tremon | kakashi_: not with extN |
| 15:32.42 | kakashi_ | hmm |
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| 15:33.04 | karlpinc | tremon: I don't know all the filesystems, and what's tuneable. But ext3 you can't change the ratio once created. |
| 15:33.35 | tremon | karlpinc: neither did I, had to look it up when you mentioned it :) |
| 15:33.55 | kakashi_ | damn! so, all that you are mentioning is motivating me to go for a reinstall? |
| 15:34.14 | karlpinc | kakashi_: Usually you use the default inode setting and that works fine. If you're doing lots of hardlinking, say with rysnc backups, you set a lower block/inode ratio. (I often do 1/1, but that's _really_ overkill.) |
| 15:34.27 | fasta | Is there any editor which doesn't suck like Emacs and VIM do? |
| 15:34.40 | petemc | .... |
| 15:34.47 | themill | fasta: try again |
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| 15:35.01 | sutoro | There are an important thing I want to know. How to disable IPV6 |
| 15:35.04 | themill | with less trolling and in a way that anyone has a chance of answering |
| 15:35.17 | tremon | kakashi_: reinstall isn't necessary, but you do need to reformat /. Backup/restore should be faster than reinstall |
| 15:35.29 | fasta | Emacs has a bunch of 'modes' and they are all created by amateurs and for VIM about the same thing holds. VIM is also very slow with certain operations. |
| 15:35.34 | afidegnum | hello all, can anyone direct me to how to remotely connect to my sql db ? |
| 15:35.52 | afidegnum | I have debian squeeze |
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| 15:36.00 | tremon | fasta: notepad might tick your boxes |
| 15:36.02 | MonkeyDust | fasta you're free to create a new editor |
| 15:36.10 | sutoro | every time I start firefox, the "firstrun" page become inaccessible |
| 15:36.18 | themill | fasta: so don't install the modes you don't like or fix them. Problem solved. Next! |
| 15:36.41 | kakashi_ | tremon, can you please point me to a link? |
| 15:36.53 | afidegnum | any answer pls ? |
| 15:37.09 | kakashi_ | tremon, does it restore all the installed softwares too? |
| 15:37.21 | tremon | kakashi_: link for what? |
| 15:37.32 | kakashi_ | backup/restore safely |
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| 15:37.59 | karlpinc | afidegnum: You need to tell the mysql server to listen on the box's ip. It's in the mysql configuration. You might also see the <readme.debian>. |
| 15:38.06 | tremon | kakashi_: I'd just use tar or rsync from a livecd (pick your flavour) |
| 15:38.21 | afidegnum | ok, thx |
| 15:38.28 | kakashi_ | of the whole disk and chroot is it? |
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| 15:39.58 | tremon | kakashi_: you only need to backup the / partition. If you clean up /backup, you can put it there (a tar archive is only 1 file) |
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| 15:41.11 | karlpinc | kakashi_: If this is a brand new install, then you might re-install. otherwise a backup/make new filesystem/restore is going to be easier. |
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| 15:47.11 | kakashi_ | alright! |
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| 15:47.40 | PedroGomes | Hi again, when trying to install wheezy by pxe I get the error: "no packages matching running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64" |
| 15:47.44 | PedroGomes | any ideas? |
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| 15:48.12 | abys | how can i change the resolution from my tty1 |
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| 15:48.34 | _gcr | Where'd Lenny go? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 15:48.54 | johndoe | whats the cli tool used to combine pdf files into one? |
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| 15:49.01 | johndoe | i cant remember its name :/ |
| 15:49.07 | Dulak | Lenny is EOLed, it's in the archives now, not a live repo anymore |
| 15:49.17 | johndoe | simple like "join f1.pdf f2.pdf f3.pdf" |
| 15:49.34 | _gcr | Dulak: Hm. 5.0.10 was released less than a month ago and the link is still there (albeit broken) |
| 15:49.36 | _gcr | johndoe: pdfjoin? |
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| 15:50.54 | Dulak | _gcr: Lenny was EOLed in February. 2012-02-06 to be exact. |
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| 15:51.02 | Trewas | johndoe: pdftk also |
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| 15:51.37 | _gcr | Dulak: So http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120310 had a shelf life of two weeks before it was deleted from the repos? |
| 15:51.39 | themill | _gcr: /topic |
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| 15:52.06 | _gcr | huh, OK. Thanks for the clarification. |
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| 15:52.14 | themill | _gcr: the final point release is after security support has ended and is just an administrative step to combine updated packages into the main repo and move it all off to archive.debian.org |
| 15:52.17 | Dulak | _gcr: I don't know, I just know lenny moved to the archives in February. |
| 15:52.33 | themill | Dulak: actually, it only moved off to archives over the weekend |
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| 15:52.39 | _gcr | themill: ah, OK, that makes sense |
| 15:52.58 | Dulak | Ahhh, yeah, shows you how much I know. I'll shutup now. |
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| 15:54.27 | _gcr | Thanks for your help, Dulak, themill |
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| 15:54.57 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 15:55.05 | HardDisk_WP | i got a need for a special ftp daemon |
| 15:55.22 | HardDisk_WP | my client wants to have a local ftp user and then make directories |
| 15:55.32 | HardDisk_WP | and then give other people accounts which can only download from specific directories |
| 15:55.33 | HardDisk_WP | but he doesnt want to create new unix accounts for every project |
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| 15:56.38 | tremon | HardDisk_WP: he wants different people to access different data with the same username? |
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| 15:56.49 | HardDisk_WP | nope |
| 15:56.53 | HardDisk_WP | different usernames/passwords |
| 15:57.00 | HardDisk_WP | for the client's clients |
| 15:57.07 | HardDisk_WP | but my client wants one username |
| 15:57.34 | HardDisk_WP | i'd imagined something like a mysql database which says which account has which password and is restricted to which directory |
| 15:57.43 | JurassicJon | so like a FTP account with virtual users |
| 15:57.47 | Dulak | vsftpd has the ability to do virtual users. FTP is horribly insecure though so they are practically begging to be cracked. |
| 15:57.47 | HardDisk_WP | Yep |
| 15:58.07 | HardDisk_WP | the client's clients accept only FTP, which sucks of course |
| 15:58.53 | valdyn | why does the client need to know about more than the front end? |
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| 15:59.19 | Dulak | Yeah, all you can do is stipulate in writing that it's insecure and you won't be liable for anything resulting from FTP compromises. I have had that issue many times with clients. |
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| 15:59.34 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, I want to code him a web GUI for creating the accounts |
| 15:59.45 | HardDisk_WP | calls me every two days to set him up new accounts |
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| 15:59.59 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: thats fine |
| 16:00.04 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, not that i'm complaining about the cash, but i'm not a paid shell monkey |
| 16:00.07 | Dulak | I learned that lesson the hard way. No stipulation in writing, and I got sued for $5k. |
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| 16:00.46 | Dulak | HardDisk_WP: I have a kid I hired to do that grunt work for me, billable hours are billable hours and I make good money on the arbitrage. |
| 16:01.05 | HardDisk_WP | i dont trust kids with root access |
| 16:01.11 | HardDisk_WP | ;) |
| 16:01.27 | tremon | Dulak: that's called externalization. As long as they can shift the blame to you, they won't have to spend a dime |
| 16:01.38 | karlpinc | sftp and then tell the client to install the fireftp plugin. (If you can.) |
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| 16:02.31 | HardDisk_WP | karlpinc, my client is not the problem |
| 16:02.35 | Dulak | Well by kid I mean college age, but yeah I can see where trust is an issue. |
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| 16:02.49 | HardDisk_WP | my client's client (media companies -.-) accept only FTP for data exchange |
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| 16:02.53 | monkey_see | how can I have apt to prefer debian-multimedia packages over debian? (both repos are for squeeze) |
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| 16:04.10 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 16:04.11 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 16:04.18 | abys | how can i change the resolution of tty? |
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| 16:04.52 | valdyn | abys: you mean console maybe |
| 16:04.58 | valdyn | abys: or virtual console maybe |
| 16:05.18 | abys | valdyn: i guess virtual console |
| 16:05.24 | valdyn | abys: you use a framebuffer driver |
| 16:05.39 | valdyn | abys: if you can do that depends on your X driver, if you want to be running X too |
| 16:06.48 | valdyn | abys: or if youre already using kms then just run fbset |
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| 16:08.15 | abys | valdyn: ok so when you dont have a gui , you still need to run xserver ? |
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| 16:09.36 | jhutchins_wk | abys: No, you would deal with the framebuffer. |
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| 16:10.55 | abys | jhutchins: ok thx |
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| 16:12.16 | jhutchins_wk | abys: I'm not sure of the syntax, I thought it had to be set at boot time. (I don't have access to a debian box that uses it atm.) |
| 16:12.52 | valdyn | the resolution *can* be set on boot time, but it can also be set on runtime |
| 16:13.25 | abys | valdyn: how ? |
| 16:13.28 | valdyn | its way more complex than it needs to be |
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| 16:14.03 | valdyn | abys: thats documented in kernel Documentation directory in the file "kernel-parameters.txt" |
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| 16:14.27 | jhutchins_wk | Is fbset optional in Debian? |
| 16:14.42 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: yes |
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| 16:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | abys: So it's an additional package you can install and read the manpage for. |
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| 16:16.08 | abys | valdyn: im not a debian user normally and i dont know the way around. If i look lazy , sorry. And thx will look for it. |
| 16:16.09 | valdyn | Im sure theres some types of embedded systems where one might want to use a console to display stuff. Usually its the wrong solution to the problem of "bloat" or just "X" |
| 16:16.36 | valdyn | abys: nah, i just really dont know the syntax myself right now |
| 16:16.55 | abys | valdyn: ok |
| 16:17.19 | deb_user | after updating some of my packages, i now get this error "No irq handler for vector" which indicates a hardware issue. I can no longer boot my machine, as it freezes at boot time. Is there a way to roll back the update somehow? |
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| 16:17.44 | valdyn | deb_user: your older kernel should still be installed, select it in the boot manager |
| 16:18.04 | deb_user | valdyn: I don't see it in the boot menu |
| 16:18.16 | valdyn | deb_user: what do you see then? |
| 16:18.34 | deb_user | valdyn: just the current kernel, and then an option for recovery mode |
| 16:18.44 | deb_user | valdyn: when I select recovery mode, it also freezes at boot time |
| 16:19.10 | valdyn | deb_user: ok, maybe google can help, but i can only google with the complete error message |
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| 16:19.48 | deb_user | valdyn: googling the error shows that others who have had this issue have encountered hardware issues |
| 16:19.51 | tremon | deb_user: if it's grub, press E to edit the menu item and use grub's autocompletion (tab) to find the older kernel |
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| 16:20.12 | valdyn | except that the older kernel should be in the menu if it was still around... |
| 16:20.23 | valdyn | deb_user: yes, certainly |
| 16:20.41 | tremon | valdyn: isn't there a max_kernels option somewhere in update_grub? |
| 16:20.50 | valdyn | deb_user: but were starting from the assumption that your system is in the same state as it was when it worked fine before |
| 16:20.57 | tremon | I vaguely remember something like that... |
| 16:21.18 | deb_user | valdyn: ok, I'm not actualy able to access the physical server right now |
| 16:21.33 | deb_user | I will come back either later today or tomorrow when I can troubleshoot this more completely |
| 16:21.37 | valdyn | deb_user: so you cant see the boot menu? |
| 16:21.58 | valdyn | this is confusing |
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| 16:22.36 | deb_user | valdyn: I'm just not at that physical location at this moment. I was about 30 minutes ago. I thought there might be a simple fix so I put the question out there. When I"m back at that location I'll ask again. |
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| 16:23.50 | tremon | reminisces about the days that he could see a server fail to boot and still leave the building |
| 16:24.55 | valdyn | deb_user: theres various "simple" fixes for hardware bugs |
| 16:25.24 | deb_user | valdyn: ok. I'll try back later when I can troubleshoot more completely. |
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| 16:27.28 | deb_user | thanks. |
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| 16:32.21 | sweb | how can i set default for /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
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| 16:35.07 | setuid | Anyone know when ftp.debian.org and security.debian.org will be back up? They're all throwing "404" errors right now for apt |
| 16:35.49 | setuid | Or was everything 'lenny' just recently removed? |
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| 16:36.26 | Dulak | Lenny was EOLed and archived. It's not a valid repo anymore. |
| 16:36.28 | nkuttler | setuid: yeah |
| 16:36.42 | setuid | So where do I get updates for running lenny systems? |
| 16:36.56 | setuid | And what about security.debian.org? |
| 16:37.02 | nkuttler | !lenny security |
| 16:37.03 | Dulak | You don't, it reached end-of-life |
| 16:37.03 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06 and it was removed from the mirrors 2012-03-25. This release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Also ask me about <lenny iso> <lenny sources.list> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 16:39.00 | setuid | volatile.debian.org squeeze/main seems no good either |
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| 16:39.52 | Dulak | setuid: Yes backports changed to: http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
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| 16:41.08 | tremon | setuid: volatile is now squeeze-updates |
| 16:42.32 | setuid | Ok, poking at that now |
| 16:42.48 | Dulak | volatile was updates not backports? |
| 16:42.57 | Dulak | I just need to stop talking. |
| 16:43.51 | tremon | Dulak: yes, backports is for generic "large" software upgrades, -updates is for fast-moving targets like av engines etc |
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| 16:44.01 | tremon | doesn't actually know which packages are in -updates |
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| 16:45.04 | hipodilski | hi any idea how to change skype download folder? |
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| 16:45.42 | hipodilski | I mean on Debian |
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| 16:47.57 | n0yd | Hey guys, been awhile since I actually paid attention to this. But a stock x86 debian kernel doesnt require pae instruction sets on the cpu, right? Basically, I acquired 5 old US govt panasonic tougbooks for cheap, and wanna put linux on them and give them to a computer teacher I know at a local high school. I decided to try putting Ubuntu 12.04 (beta or whatever it is) on them, but in a classic Ubuntu way, they've decided to alienate users with CPU's no |
| 16:47.58 | n0yd | t supporting PAE. And these machines all have 1.5 and 1.6Ghz pentium-m's that do not support PAE, so I can't even install. So I'm hoping debians kernel for x86 doesnt require such? |
| 16:48.02 | ksk | hipodilski: bindmounts :D |
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| 16:48.22 | n0yd | I am always using 64bit for the most part, so I don't pay attentjon to such things |
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| 16:49.28 | _Sam-- | hi, can someone please tell me whats wrong with my sources.list / apt-get update, pretty please? http://www.pastie.org/3672766 |
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| 16:50.13 | sweb | any official guide to add testing and unstable version to sourcelist ? |
| 16:50.28 | tremon | _Sam--: Lenny has been discontinued almost 2 months ago |
| 16:50.31 | nsadmin | lenny isn[t where you think it is any more |
| 16:50.48 | tremon | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 16:50.48 | _Sam-- | what do i need to do to change my apt-sources to correctly get packages? |
| 16:50.55 | nsadmin | would you like to update? |
| 16:51.17 | _Sam-- | unfortunately, i wont be able to easily update to squeeze or beyond on these machines.... |
| 16:51.21 | nsadmin | lenny is now unsupported as of feb 6 |
| 16:51.22 | tremon | !tell _Sam-- about lenny |
| 16:51.55 | nsadmin | well you could get lenny from archive.debian.org |
| 16:52.53 | jhambo | Hi all, when I update I get "Release file expired, ignoring http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 7d 8h 27min 31s)". What can I do to fix this? Can't remember what this repo is for... |
| 16:54.11 | _Sam-- | thank you ... so i could change my apt-sources to use archive.debian.org and still get lenny packages (i realize there iwll be no more updates / etc) |
| 16:55.03 | _Sam-- | nm |
| 16:55.17 | foxtrot9 | Debian freezes when I try to go into suspend mode, /var/log/messages show this: [fglrx] ASIC hang happened, Pid: 30914, comm: Xorg Tainted: P 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1. This is due to the video card correct? how do I get around this? |
| 16:55.36 | nsadmin | yep, that's true... btw, what are these machines for? |
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| 16:56.26 | _Sam-- | thank you both / all. |
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| 16:57.29 | tremon | foxtrot9: remove catalyst |
| 16:57.39 | foxtrot9 | good lord no |
| 16:57.49 | tremon | foxtrot9: then don't suspend |
| 16:58.05 | foxtrot9 | doh, catalyst epic fail |
| 16:58.15 | nsadmin | or... |
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| 16:58.27 | nsadmin | crash! by choice even! |
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| 16:59.50 | foxtrot9 | i found this bug in the debian bug system too, seems they fixed it in a later kernel |
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| 17:00.17 | foxtrot9 | i'm not too fond of upgrading the kernel |
| 17:00.32 | n0yd | why? |
| 17:00.41 | nsadmin | what kernel is it fixed in? |
| 17:00.42 | hipodilski | ksk: bindmounts :) ? |
| 17:00.46 | foxtrot9 | cuz the kernel in backports might blow up debian |
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| 17:00.55 | afidegnum | hello, pls how do I dump data.sql via command line in debian? |
| 17:01.00 | tremon | nsadmin: I agree with you, it's crash by choice, the self-flagellation of the 21st century |
| 17:01.00 | Paulors | Hello. I would like to install Debian in a Virtual Box running in a Win7 x64. I downloaded the image debian-6.0.4-ia64-DVD-1.iso and configured virtual box for a Debian 64 bits but the virtual machine is not starting the install/boot. Does it sounds like a Virtual box problem or I got the wrong ISO? |
| 17:01.05 | nsadmin | I think Deb and Ian haven |
| 17:01.07 | ThomasZ | I'm trying to install from usb-stick. All tutorials on debian fail since they don't mention how to make the usb stick a bootable device. Anyone any ideas? |
| 17:01.12 | nsadmin | t blown up today... |
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| 17:01.35 | valdyn | Paulors: ia64 is the wrong architecture |
| 17:01.45 | togge | are the wine versions in debian sid really old or is it just me reading the version wrong ? :) |
| 17:01.47 | ksk | hipodilski: google?/nevermind (dunno if you should do this if you dont know about and stuff) |
| 17:01.53 | Paulors | valdyn virtual box is AMD based? |
| 17:02.14 | ksk | Paulors: no |
| 17:02.16 | sutoro | ThomasZ: How do you make the USB stick |
| 17:02.20 | tremon | !ia64 |
| 17:02.20 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
| 17:02.22 | valdyn | Paulors: its based on what it runs on and it runs on an amd64 system |
| 17:02.33 | ksk | Paulors: but every 64bit x86 processor is called "AMD64" even if its from intel |
| 17:02.44 | nsadmin | foxtrot9, you could install that kernel and keep the old one, each appearing in the grub menu and ready to boot |
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| 17:03.00 | Paulors | oh, that's the problem. Ok guys, thank you! |
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| 17:03.05 | ThomasZ | sutoro: tried all different ways; from dd or cat to mkfs and copying the files. Nothing works and my computer just skips over it. |
| 17:03.06 | nsadmin | before you do that... what purpose does the machine serve? |
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| 17:04.14 | ThomasZ | sutoro: when using kubuntus tool, it shows that the computer does check the usb, it just can't find the needed grub or whatever on the usb pen |
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| 17:04.38 | sutoro | ThomasZ: did you succeed making a bootable USB with other distro? |
| 17:04.59 | Paulors | !amd64 |
| 17:04.59 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ #debian-amd64 on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 17:05.04 | ThomasZ | sutoro: using the kubuntu tool, yes. But it doesn't like debian isos ;) |
| 17:05.04 | sutoro | such as linuxmint live USB |
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| 17:08.50 | quo | Hello, |
| 17:08.57 | quo | wanna install sources with apt-source |
| 17:09.20 | quo | but I can not load the dvd contents with apt-cache update |
| 17:09.30 | valdyn | quo: are you trying to confuse us? |
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| 17:09.42 | quo | noä |
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| 17:09.54 | quo | apt-cdrom gives me an error that there would be nothing on the dvd |
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| 17:10.28 | quo | how to fetch the index files for a deb-src entry using a dvd identifier? |
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| 17:11.04 | mmnicolas | I'm experiencing weird lag when ssh'ing to a container (LXC), the host is set up with this http://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge , (this setup worked well when using QEMU/KVM) but not the connection is slowly degenerating, if I let it stand for a day, I can use it ~20sec then freezes for ~20sec and so on. Any idea ? |
| 17:11.07 | sweb | how can i add testing/unsable repository ? |
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| 17:11.16 | sweb | any good guide ? |
| 17:11.22 | mmnicolas | s/not/now |
| 17:11.51 | quo | file /var/lib/apt/... can not be opened |
| 17:11.56 | quo | on apt-get source pkg |
| 17:11.59 | mmnicolas | If I disconnect & reconnect everything is fine for a while |
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| 17:14.32 | quo | am I right to enter deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for external dvds? |
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| 17:17.03 | mmnicolas | I don't think so, you should use apt-cdrom |
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| 17:17.23 | quo | can anyone tell me on how to use source dvds? |
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| 17:18.19 | mmnicolas | quo: apt-cdrom add ? |
| 17:18.31 | quo | gives me an error |
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| 17:18.47 | themill | "an error"? |
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| 17:20.11 | mmnicolas | oh well .. |
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| 17:20.23 | mmnicolas | Better forget about it then :) |
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| 17:20.49 | mmnicolas | it has an "error", what can we do about it |
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| 17:22.29 | _Sam-- | if i dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze, anything that i had custom compiled (like apache httpd / php / a few others) will all need to recompiled against squeeze's new libs? |
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| 17:23.09 | valdyn | _Sam--: maybe |
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| 17:24.11 | valdyn | _Sam--: theres a dozen libraries any of which might have had changes requiring a recompile |
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| 17:24.35 | _Sam-- | k. should be no big deal. thank you very much for your expertise. |
| 17:25.12 | valdyn | _Sam--: thats not saying that chances are high that you do indeed need a recompile, but you probably should, just to be on the safe side |
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| 17:26.04 | themill | depends on how you compiled them and you told apt about the fact that you'd compiled your own versions |
| 17:26.51 | _Sam-- | will only take 5 mins to recompile everything ; i keep the configs for the compiles under SVN |
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| 17:28.02 | _Sam-- | my problem is that im on a VPS / cloud server at rackspace ; not sure how the regular kernel from apt-get dist-upgrade is going to work out. |
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| 17:28.14 | valdyn | _Sam--: its not |
| 17:28.28 | valdyn | _Sam--: usually vps dont run a kernel |
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| 17:28.49 | Slamd64 | I have problem with custom resolution. On debian 6.0.3 I added HorizSync, VertSync values then in screen section Modes "1024x768" and DefaultDepth 16,because xrandr says max is 800x600 which is 70% of screen. Now in 6.0.4 i get xorg log saying that option defaultdepth is unknown. Please help. |
| 17:28.54 | _Sam-- | its a xen hypervisor server / cloud server (not vps, sorry) -- dedicated cloud server. |
| 17:28.59 | _Sam-- | (5 of them actually) |
| 17:29.19 | _Sam-- | rackspace cloud server to be exact. |
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| 17:29.52 | thewanderer1 | _Sam--, methinks Xen doesn't use a normal boot loader, it may be loading their custom kernel. what kernel are you running now? is it present in /boot? |
| 17:30.06 | nsadmin | _Sam--, and all running lenny/ |
| 17:30.09 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 17:30.31 | valdyn | Slamd64: maybe you put that option into the wrong section |
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| 17:30.47 | _Sam-- | yes the kernel is in /boot.....uname -a: Linux rs-www2 2.6.35.4-rscloud #8 SMP Mon Sep 20 15:54:33 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:30.55 | nsadmin | _Sam--, perhaps a conversation with them is in order? |
| 17:31.10 | _Sam-- | ive read a bunch of guides / howtos ...seems straightforward. |
| 17:31.13 | valdyn | _Sam--: that kernel is newer than squeeze... |
| 17:31.36 | _Sam-- | gonna roll out a new server from an image and do the lenny-squeeze update on that as a test. |
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| 17:32.07 | nsadmin | _Sam--, how much ram do they have? |
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| 17:32.21 | _Sam-- | 3 boxs have 16G , 2 have 8G |
| 17:32.22 | Slamd64 | valdin: I put it in screen section just before first depth |
| 17:32.23 | quo | must have been a temporary media error |
| 17:32.36 | quo | it worked with the another dvd drive |
| 17:32.56 | nsadmin | that's plenty... so these are remotes? |
| 17:33.19 | nsadmin | or, is it your racks they will live on? |
| 17:33.31 | valdyn | Slamd64: which gfx driver is X using? |
| 17:33.32 | _Sam-- | as far as the kernel being newer than squeeze, thats not a huge surprise, but the distro is still lenny, with a kernel compiled by rackspace. |
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| 17:33.58 | nsadmin | oh, so they live on rackspace's rackspace |
| 17:34.29 | _Sam-- | yes, all of these servers were deployed as "lennys" on rackspace cloud |
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| 17:34.38 | nsadmin | does rackspace have a policy around which kernel you can use? |
| 17:34.51 | Slamd64 | valdyn it is trident but it doesn't matter it worked on 6.0.3 |
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| 17:36.10 | _Sam-- | nsadmin : nope, as long as you can make it boot, you can run it :) |
| 17:36.18 | valdyn | Slamd64: theres no relevant change in 6.0.4 or so it seems |
| 17:36.59 | kleanchap | I have setup to boot up straight into one primary user account on my Debian system (with Gnome). Each time I reboot, I am prompted with "Unlock Login keyring" prompt and I have to enter the password. |
| 17:37.18 | kleanchap | How do I prevent from this prompting for password? |
| 17:37.24 | nsadmin | welll then, there ya go :) I guess you need a xenable kernel for the dom0... and when I was playing with xen, I just had the domUs boot the same kernel, worked fine for me |
| 17:37.42 | valdyn | Slamd64: show us the non-working config file and your xorg.conf |
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| 17:38.30 | nsadmin | do you set up the servers locally and then ship them to rackspace? |
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| 17:40.55 | _Sam-- | nsadmin: i setup an initial cloud server at rackspace from scratch, on lenny a while back (2 years ago)? from there, i rsynced evewrything i needed to it, compiled my stuff, etc....finished that server. THEN created a disk image of that (using rackspace's tools)....and then rolled out that disk image to 4 other servers. |
| 17:41.00 | _Sam-- | painless. |
| 17:41.47 | nsadmin | so you never actually had to touch the metal? |
| 17:41.53 | _Sam-- | waiting on a new image to be created, so i can roll it to a new server, do the lenny-squeeze update and test the process. |
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| 17:42.10 | _Sam-- | never touched a damn thing other than my wallet to get a credit card , and a keyboard. |
| 17:42.16 | zykotick9 | kleanchap: option 1 - don't use autologin, option 2 - use a blank (unsafe) password for your keyring (network related most likely?) |
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| 17:43.07 | _Sam-- | i think if you wanted you could probably send rackspace a drive / data however people send it these days, and they would load it into a new cloud server for you. if they wont, hosting.com does. but i like racspace best still. |
| 17:43.23 | nsadmin | kleanchap: if you're directly facing the internet, you do NOT want to do the latter |
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| 17:44.18 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: i'm refering to the keyring, not the actual network... (worried there is a possible misunderstanding) |
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| 17:45.34 | nsadmin | I noticed that... I kinda get triggered by anything having to do with both direct internet facing and passwird convenience |
| 17:45.50 | Amgine | Not finding a tutorial/help for getting my logitech headset to work with deb. Any suggestions on where to look? |
| 17:46.08 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: personally, i think autologin is silly (but that's just me) |
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| 17:46.29 | nsadmin | Amgine, look at /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:46.34 | nsadmin | then plug it in |
| 17:46.41 | nsadmin | Amgine, look at /proc/asound/cards again |
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| 17:46.59 | nsadmin | see if it changes by you plugging it in |
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| 17:47.41 | Amgine | nsadmin: no, it does not. |
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| 17:48.15 | nsadmin | ok, how many cards do you see? anythng look like your headset? |
| 17:48.21 | nsadmin | bbiab |
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| 17:49.20 | Amgine | none, actually. |
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| 17:49.53 | _Sam-- | nsadmin : not that you care, merely an FYI....spoke to rackspace, they pointed me to this page for the lenny--> squeeze dist-upgrade |
| 17:49.56 | _Sam-- | http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
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| 17:55.09 | nsadmin | _Sam--, does it say "upgrade kernel, reboot, upgrade dpkg, apt-get. aptitude, do the dist-upgrade, done"? |
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| 17:55.45 | _Sam-- | nsadmin: even easier. |
| 17:56.15 | _Sam-- | change apt-sources. apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:56.46 | _Sam-- | (sorry, i ddint read it close enough).... |
| 17:57.04 | _Sam-- | your order of events is close to accurate. |
| 17:57.23 | nsadmin | yeah, that could work too... I like the idea of getting the kernel and dpkg/apt first |
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| 17:58.22 | guardian | hi |
| 17:58.25 | nsadmin | the point of upgrading dpkg and apt stuff first, is you are guaranteeing their use when you do the full upgrade |
| 17:58.47 | nsadmin | it could be, the squeeze upgrade was already designed to do that |
| 17:58.49 | guardian | is there a command that would list all non system users? i want that for a maintenance script |
| 17:59.21 | nsadmin | try cat /etc/passwd |
| 17:59.32 | nsadmin | to start with |
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| 17:59.51 | _Sam-- | cat /etc/passwd | cut -f -d : |
| 17:59.56 | _Sam-- | er cut -f 1 |
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| 18:00.12 | _Sam-- | cat /etc/passwd |cut -f 1 -d : |
| 18:00.13 | nsadmin | it so happens the non system users have user ids after 999 |
| 18:00.26 | guardian | yeah |
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| 18:00.30 | guardian | would work i guess |
| 18:00.39 | guardian | is it always username:x:... |
| 18:00.48 | guardian | what's the x after the first : actually? |
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| 18:01.00 | nsadmin | yes... see: man 5 passwd for the reference |
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| 18:01.08 | guardian | ok thx |
| 18:01.24 | nsadmin | it used to be the password, but now that's stored elsewhere |
| 18:01.34 | guardian | yeah reading man right now |
| 18:01.36 | guardian | thx guys |
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| 18:01.43 | jelly-home | getent passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 200 {print $1}' |
| 18:01.58 | jelly-home | hmm, >= 200 |
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| 18:03.01 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : nice one |
| 18:03.42 | jelly-home | guardian: actual usage of uids may vary wildly between machines. THEORETICALLY real interactive users would fall in [1000, 59999 |
| 18:03.43 | jelly-home | ] |
| 18:03.57 | nsadmin | jelly-home thinks it's not 1000 but 200... I assume he's right... and, adduser starts at 1000 (both of these can coexist) |
| 18:03.58 | guardian | well it's for a single box where it's the case |
| 18:04.11 | jelly-home | guardian: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 18:04.35 | guardian | i'm looking for accounts created by adduser |
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| 18:05.00 | _Sam-- | when i ran jelly-home's bash, i got the expected users. |
| 18:05.10 | _Sam-- | (ie: non-system users) |
| 18:05.11 | jelly-home | _Sam--: it's not bash. |
| 18:05.35 | nsadmin | bashes? we don need no steenkin bashes... |
| 18:05.51 | jelly-home | any POSIX compatible shell can do that, and csh too |
| 18:06.18 | _Sam-- | sorry, im just so used to 'bash script".....when i ran jelly-home's SCRIPT under bash on my debian.....i got the expected users. |
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| 18:06.37 | nsadmin | I know someone named shelly... I'll ask her if she's posix compatible |
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| 18:06.37 | jelly-home | it's not a script, it's a one liner! |
| 18:06.40 | jelly-home | hides |
| 18:06.46 | _Sam-- | lol |
| 18:07.02 | jelly-home | a command if you wish |
| 18:07.29 | nsadmin | but then... wish is yet another shell |
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| 18:09.27 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm removing old kernels and os-prober is hanging. root 8875 0.0 0.0 38928 1060 pts/3 D+ 18:49 0:00 umount /var/lib/os-prober/mount |
| 18:09.43 | An_Ony_Moose | because of umount not working correctly |
| 18:10.04 | nsadmin | why does removing kernels have to do with umount? |
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| 18:10.11 | DaskreecH | Hello |
| 18:10.21 | DaskreecH | Just checking on a best practices |
| 18:10.42 | DaskreecH | if I have two HDs that I'm running software RAID on |
| 18:10.46 | guardian | so better use getent rather than grep /etc/passwd? |
| 18:10.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: removing kernel packages has lots to do with rebuilding grub.conf (and re-running os-prober) |
| 18:11.11 | DaskreecH | should I cut them up as /boot swap /home /var and / then put the software RAID on top of those? |
| 18:11.27 | nsadmin | ohh, because it's mounting an image |
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| 18:11.30 | johnfg_ | hi guys |
| 18:11.35 | jelly-home | DaskreecH: is it going to be a server machine? |
| 18:11.57 | johnfg_ | I tried to get this answered over in #latex, but it seems to be a deb pkg problem. |
| 18:12.06 | tremon | DaskreecH: lvm on top of md, if you have a separate boot device I wouldn't even bother with partitions |
| 18:12.10 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.12 | nsadmin | DaskreecH, you have multiple drives? |
| 18:12.12 | DaskreecH | jelly-home: yes |
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| 18:12.25 | jelly-home | guardian: getent is the correct API to fetch that data, whether it's stored in files like /etc/passwd, in LDAP, or someplace else |
| 18:12.27 | DaskreecH | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:12.29 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly-home nsadmin: But can you maybe explain why umount isn't working correctly and how to solve the problem? |
| 18:12.44 | DaskreecH | tremon: Whats the advantage of LVM ? |
| 18:12.58 | nsadmin | resizing without repartitioning |
| 18:13.04 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: I can't, that usually points to fs driver, fs or hw issues |
| 18:13.07 | DaskreecH | nsadmin: Will never happen |
| 18:13.09 | johnfg_ | I've installed my lucida fonts package and pandora fonts package to work with texlive, but something's messed up with texlive on debian squeeze and it's not seeing the fonts in a dvi or pdf and can't make them. |
| 18:13.17 | jelly-home | DaskreecH: famous last words! |
| 18:13.32 | tremon | DaskreecH: snapshotting, on-line migration |
| 18:13.37 | guardian | jelly-home: ok thx! |
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| 18:14.18 | DaskreecH | tremon: That might happen. When did LVM get live migration ? |
| 18:14.21 | johnfg_ | anyone here using tex & friends and added extra fonts on squeeze? |
| 18:14.27 | tremon | DaskreecH: with lvm2 |
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| 18:15.07 | axujen | hi |
| 18:15.48 | tremon | DaskreecH: though I must say, I've used it 3 times and the last time really botched it. Had to restore from backup because somehow pvmove forgot to sync half of the volume |
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| 18:16.45 | DaskreecH | Ugh |
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| 18:18.55 | DaskreecH | so one flat MD device as a PV and then LV on top of that? |
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| 18:19.47 | tremon | DaskreecH: that's what I'd do |
| 18:20.13 | guardian | jelly-home: why >= 200? |
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| 18:20.40 | DaskreecH | tremon: Good enough :() |
| 18:21.19 | DaskreecH | tremon: thanks |
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| 18:22.08 | jumpkick | is there anyway to make apt-get pull over an https proxy? |
| 18:22.34 | nsadmin | DaskreecH, and a /boot outside of all of that (it;s own real partition not in any raid( |
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| 18:22.45 | jumpkick | i.e. an http:// site proxied over a https://proxy/ |
| 18:23.11 | nsadmin | what are you trying to hide? |
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| 18:24.38 | orzo | I want to identify my touchpad built into my laptop. Is there anything i can try besides lspci and lsusb? |
| 18:25.18 | Daviey | orzo: lshw or dmesg? |
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| 18:26.04 | orzo | can you give me a hint on what to look for in dmesg? Does yours output something there? |
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| 18:26.28 | orzo | instlaling lshw... |
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| 18:27.31 | Daviey | orzo: dmesg | grep "USB HID" |
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| 18:28.22 | Daviey | orzo: or "Trackpad" |
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| 18:30.25 | orzo | no hits on that grep |
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| 18:31.12 | _Sam-- | just do lshw |less and scroll through and look for anything. |
| 18:31.24 | thewanderer1 | orzo, is it detected by X? `xinput list` |
| 18:32.50 | orzo | SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad |
| 18:33.22 | orzo | that's not an actual hardware id is it? |
| 18:33.48 | thewanderer1 | well, it's not a model number, no |
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| 18:34.14 | orzo | does the driver not even know ? |
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| 18:35.30 | DaskreecH | tremon: ok i screwed something up |
| 18:35.36 | DaskreecH | I can't move forward and I can't move back |
| 18:35.56 | DaskreecH | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.10 | orzo | i have erractic touchpad trouble |
| 18:36.20 | orzo | i've not seen it happen in windows7, only in debian |
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| 18:36.56 | thewanderer1 | erratic as in... ? |
| 18:36.57 | senorpedro | hi |
| 18:37.03 | senorpedro | how can i deactivate quotas? |
| 18:37.14 | cheako | Hello, any one here use policy-rc.d? I'd like to prevent my ircd from stoping on upgrades. |
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| 18:37.58 | _Sam-- | quotaoff -a ? |
| 18:38.01 | _Sam-- | been a while, i forget |
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| 18:38.13 | _Sam-- | to list the current quota settings |
| 18:38.13 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.44 | cheako | http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt I don't grawk this at all. |
| 18:39.02 | DaskreecH | Let me try restarting so there is no queued actions in memory |
| 18:39.22 | senorpedro | hm there is a 0 in each line at column soft and hard. so i think i have no quota active? |
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| 18:40.48 | _Sam-- | senorpedro : depends f the 0 is under the ionode columns or the blocks column, i think |
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| 18:41.23 | _Sam-- | google is your friend on this one. |
| 18:41.49 | orzo | erratic as in the mouse curser jumps wildly all around making it unusable... what else? |
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| 18:42.51 | nsadmin | _Sam--, how;s your upgrade goin |
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| 18:44.06 | _Sam-- | nsadmin : STILL waiting for the f'n disk image to finish imaging, so i can roll it to a new server and begin testing the process! |
| 18:44.11 | _Sam-- | taking forever. |
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| 18:44.18 | nsadmin | btw does rackspace provide some sort of console access so you can see and pick from the grub menu? |
| 18:44.32 | _Sam-- | nsadmin : yes remote serial console over WWW |
| 18:44.35 | _Sam-- | so never locked out. |
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| 18:46.39 | _Sam-- | i should have just rolled a new squeeze server instance, and rysnced my sh*t to it, would have been 10x faster. |
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| 18:47.49 | GNU\colossus | I didn't know rsync supported transfer shit. I always used it for files only!! |
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| 18:49.19 | odyi | Where did this ENABLE=false stuff in the /etc/default files start at? Makes me want to stab things. |
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| 18:49.31 | abys | is it wrong to set up a debian server with openbox ? |
| 18:49.34 | _Sam-- | if anyone is interested in something that is like rysnc..... i had a need to sync files "isntantly" (not from cron) when they are craeted....there is a really nifty tool that uses linux's ionotify from the filesystem to find new/modified files and move them instantly to multiple destinations, it wokkrs great. |
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| 18:50.50 | _Sam-- | within 2 seconds a file being created or modified, its sent to 5 servers and a CDN from the source server. |
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| 18:51.09 | odyi | _Sam--: lsyncd? It isn't really instant and still uses rsync. |
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| 18:51.14 | _Sam-- | nope |
| 18:51.18 | _Sam-- | its called filyconveyor |
| 18:51.20 | _Sam-- | er |
| 18:51.24 | _Sam-- | fileconveyor |
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| 18:51.48 | _Sam-- | .org |
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| 18:53.09 | _Sam-- | ive used it to move ~2million files in march. highly impressed. |
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| 18:53.20 | _Sam-- | ~400k files to 5 sources. |
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| 19:02.33 | ak70 | Hi, have anyone managed to play MP3 files with gstreamer-based players in sid? It keeps saying that the plugin "ID3 tag demuxer" is mssing even I installed every gstreamer plugin. |
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| 19:04.19 | kevlarman | ak70: you need the gstreamer from debian multimedia don't you? |
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| 19:06.52 | ak70 | kevlarman: I am not sure, but I do have debian multimedia source and everything is installed. I guess gstreamer failed to locate the installed plugin. |
| 19:08.28 | thewanderer1 | Minitube stops playing videos after 2-3 seconds (just hangs), anyone else seeing something like that? |
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| 19:16.37 | _Sam-- | hi again (i know this is likely the wrong channel but wth).... i have a python program..... and i start the program via this command on linux: nohup python my-command.py & how could i restart that same process without having to kill it and start it again? |
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| 19:17.28 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: have that program install a sighup handler (or similar) which causes it to restart |
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| 19:19.35 | Elfe | Hi, can I scroll back when reading a manual in terminal? |
| 19:20.39 | vlt | Elfe: PgUp |
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| 19:21.44 | Elfe | vlt: didn't try enough, shift pgup, thanks! |
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| 19:22.21 | dondelelcaro | Elfe: if you have less installed, pageup should work |
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| 19:22.38 | vlt | Elfe: If you don’t have “less” installed (after debootstrapping Debian, for example) “man” uses “more” to limit the text to one screen height. “more” can’t scroll up AFAIK, but your terminal can. |
| 19:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Elfe: unless you've set up a different pager or similar |
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| 19:24.09 | initself | i'm having trouble figuring out how to installing ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 19:24.13 | initself | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 19:24.17 | initself | i'm on squeezde |
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| 19:24.58 | initself | looks like i dont have contrib |
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| 19:26.03 | initself | i'm good now |
| 19:26.19 | mithodin | Hey guys. I just did this (http://pastebin.com/64sCNi9Z) on a Debian Server and now I seem to be missing like all the files |
| 19:26.31 | mithodin | can you tell me why that is? |
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| 19:54.31 | _Sam-- | even something like sudo su might get a new bash environment? |
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| 19:54.44 | _Sam-- | er thats not gonna work either, keep forgetting |
| 19:54.53 | mithodin | -bash: /bin/su: No such file or directory ;-) |
| 19:55.00 | Woet | it's very obvious that he removed all files, at least all bin files |
| 19:55.07 | Woet | so boot into a rescue system already |
| 19:55.16 | mithodin | I can't |
| 19:55.18 | Woet | it cannot damage anything more than it already is |
| 19:55.20 | Woet | why not? |
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| 19:55.31 | _Sam-- | Woet : that doesnt make sense, MoDax has run some tests with the guy and seems to believe the files are there |
| 19:55.31 | mithodin | I'm about 300km from the machine |
| 19:55.35 | shinanca | file /bin/bash |
| 19:55.43 | _Sam-- | and based on the command supposedly executed, the files should be there. |
| 19:55.46 | Woet | mithodin: your provider doesn't have any rescue system or KVM? |
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| 19:56.05 | Woet | _Sam--: "No such file or directory" is pretty clear |
| 19:56.14 | mithodin | its not a provider |
| 19:56.29 | _Sam-- | Woet: i am not in a position to debate ; what we are encountering based on what im hearing is too far over my head. |
| 19:56.31 | mithodin | the server is in the office of an organization |
| 19:56.47 | mithodin | that I do voluntary work for |
| 19:56.48 | _Sam-- | ive seen the command entered. ive listend to the results reports from MoDax commands / scripts. |
| 19:57.05 | mithodin | the server I worked on is a vm on that server |
| 19:57.17 | mithodin | and the admin does not answer his phone |
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| 19:57.22 | shinanca | mithodin: try file /bin/bash |
| 19:57.31 | shinanca | mithodin: file /bin/bash |
| 19:57.35 | shinanca | mithodin: just interesting |
| 19:57.44 | mithodin | -bash: /usr/bin/file: No such file or directory |
| 19:58.17 | MoDaX | only shell built-ins work |
| 19:58.37 | rescueme | how much of a repar |
| 19:58.48 | rescueme | repair can you do from a grub rescue shell? |
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| 19:58.59 | mithodin | I just found out: the webserver on that vm is still running |
| 19:59.14 | mithodin | but that does not help, it's chrooted and everything |
| 19:59.21 | mithodin | just interesting to know maybe |
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| 20:00.11 | passstab | hi |
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| 20:00.59 | passstab | does debian provide a 686 kernel? |
| 20:01.35 | _Sam-- | sorry for being lazy ; what is the command to force an fsck disk check on the next reboot? |
| 20:01.43 | _Sam-- | i should have just googled. |
| 20:01.45 | petemc | touch /forcefsck |
| 20:01.53 | _Sam-- | thank you! |
| 20:02.07 | petemc | np |
| 20:02.22 | MoDaX | passstab: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-686 |
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| 20:05.13 | MoDaX | mithodin: maybe you could try rebooting |
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| 20:05.21 | shinanca | mithodin: try /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ls |
| 20:05.41 | MoDaX | but if grub depends on /vmlinuz* stuff, then you're out of luck |
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| 20:06.01 | mithodin | it worked! |
| 20:06.05 | shinanca | mithodin: =) |
| 20:06.07 | shinanca | mithodin: ok |
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| 20:06.21 | shinanca | mithodin: i understand what is it |
| 20:06.31 | mithodin | enlighten me :-) |
| 20:06.34 | rescueme | Hmm k so let me find out somethings. Grub2 allows booting from a /dev/md0 device ? |
| 20:06.40 | shinanca | mithodin: lets start recover |
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| 20:07.04 | shinanca | mithodin: missed some libs on your system |
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| 20:07.29 | MoDaX | rescueme: yes |
| 20:07.38 | shinanca | mithodin: klibc compiled static, thats why it works |
| 20:07.38 | mithodin | shinanca: ? |
| 20:07.42 | mithodin | okay |
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| 20:07.57 | WeissLehrer | i have a problem on my samba configuration, for some reason the user-configuration for windows users using pdc are not saved ( http://pastebin.com/gXvvjC5u ) |
| 20:08.23 | rescueme | MoDaX: ok thanks |
| 20:08.58 | passstab | MoDaX thanks |
| 20:09.15 | mithodin | shinanca: so do you have an Idea how to fix it? |
| 20:09.16 | rescueme | I'm trying to mount the raid device from a Live CD |
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| 20:09.40 | MoDaX | mithodin: is /lib empty ? esp /lib/ld* and /lib/libc* |
| 20:09.53 | shinanca | mithodin: ldd /bin/ls try |
| 20:09.55 | rescueme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.20 | mithodin | ldd is not available |
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| 20:11.35 | rescueme | should I just reinstall ? :) for expediency ? |
| 20:11.35 | mithodin | -bash: /usr/bin/ldd: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 20:12.08 | Ix-Xitan | I have installed vsftpd and i can connect to it but always says Login incorrect. I am new to debian. Is there something im missing do i need to setup FTP users and passwords ? |
| 20:12.25 | shinanca | mithodin: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ls /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 20:12.44 | mithodin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 14 /lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.11.3.so |
| 20:12.47 | equex | Hi. I have a problem with installing shorewall and dnsmasq on 6.0.4. dnsmasq seems to run fine though, but when i start shorewall, even if dnsmasq is running prperly, shorewall determines that there are no eth interface up and it aborts startup. on my setup eth0 is the loc zone and eth1 is the net zone. (seems to be a different detection order in the netinst and the dvd install i use but i |
| 20:12.48 | equex | digress) does anyone have any tips? i followed the docs as well as i could, turned ip forwarding and everyrhing. any hints? |
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| 20:13.10 | MoDaX | mithodin: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:13.11 | shinanca | Ix-Xitan: uncomment local_enable=yes |
| 20:13.32 | MoDaX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.33 | mithodin | MoDaX: it returns just a blank linke |
| 20:13.40 | Ix-Xitan | its already uncommented |
| 20:13.53 | bjacques | Hello, is there a (more) appropriate channel for asking questions about running debian on a Pogoplug-derivative? |
| 20:14.03 | mithodin | MoDaX: /bin/ls: error while loading shared libraries: /bin/ls: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 20:14.09 | MoDaX | mithodin: is it squeeze system? |
| 20:14.14 | shinanca | mithodin: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ls /lib/libc-2.11.3.so |
| 20:14.37 | mithodin | shinanca: It just returns the file |
| 20:14.42 | mithodin | -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 1437064 /lib/libc-2.11.3.so |
| 20:14.54 | mithodin | MoDaX: I don't know exactly |
| 20:14.58 | mithodin | could be |
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| 20:15.01 | MoDaX | mithodin: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --list /bin/ls |
| 20:15.11 | rescueme | bjacques: I think there is a debian-embedded on irc.debian.org |
| 20:15.23 | mithodin | sec, gonna pastbin that |
| 20:15.41 | mithodin | http://pastebin.com/az01Mxpg |
| 20:15.59 | Ix-Xitan | shinanca: is it because i am trying to log on ftp with root ? |
| 20:16.04 | shinanca | mithodin: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:16.07 | MoDaX | looks fine |
| 20:16.17 | foxtrot9 | Ix-Xitan, correct port? do you use iptables? |
| 20:16.31 | mithodin | sinanca: 6.0.4 |
| 20:16.40 | Ix-Xitan | im trying to log from the os itself to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:17.09 | MoDaX | mithodin: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 20:17.25 | MoDaX | (klibc one) |
| 20:17.52 | mithodin | yeah |
| 20:17.58 | mithodin | another one for pastebin |
| 20:18.05 | matt8686 | I have e2fsck utility under Debian. How can I check, which package installed this utility? |
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| 20:18.09 | shinanca | mithodin: =) |
| 20:18.14 | shinanca | mithodin: i found |
| 20:18.18 | MoDaX | matt8686: dpkg -S e2fsck |
| 20:18.23 | shinanca | mithodin: what you delete |
| 20:18.35 | cardiel | ls |
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| 20:18.49 | mithodin | http://pastebin.com/tEaghC0Y |
| 20:18.57 | shinanca | mithodin: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ln -s /lib64 /lib |
| 20:18.58 | mithodin | shinanca: what is it? |
| 20:19.02 | shinanca | mithodin: then bash |
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| 20:19.17 | MoDaX | heh, indeed |
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| 20:19.22 | mithodin | I did the first thing, what now? |
| 20:19.28 | MoDaX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.32 | matt8686 | MoDaX, great, thanks! |
| 20:19.33 | shinanca | yup |
| 20:19.40 | foxtrot9 | Ix-Xitan, what is the output, ftp localhost |
| 20:19.51 | mithodin | yes |
| 20:20.00 | shinanca | mithodin: all works? |
| 20:20.04 | mithodin | nope |
| 20:20.09 | mithodin | still no /bin/ls |
| 20:20.16 | mithodin | -bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory |
| 20:20.16 | shinanca | mithodin: i paste command |
| 20:20.22 | dmnokia | Hi all I have a bare debian x64. When I write "aptitude install build-essential" I receive an error that says " libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.11.3-2) but 2.11.3-3 is installed" I googled but can not find any solution. |
| 20:20.45 | shinanca | mithodin: type not /bin/ls, type /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ln |
| 20:20.59 | shinanca | mithodin: sry... missed.. |
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| 20:21.19 | shinanca | mithodin: you trye reload bash? |
| 20:21.27 | mithodin | no, how do I do that? |
| 20:21.31 | MoDaX | mithodin: good news is that you could try rebooting. at least it should get paste grub |
| 20:21.39 | MoDaX | past* |
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| 20:22.26 | shinanca | mithodin: its my mistake |
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| 20:22.50 | bjacques | rescueme: thanks |
| 20:22.51 | matt8686 | Is it possible to "slide" partition using utilities from e2fsprogs? I mean I would like to decrease partition size starting from the end and then "slide" this shrinked partition back to the end of the disk. I don't want to use parted or gparted. |
| 20:22.59 | rescueme | bjacques: Found help there? |
| 20:23.00 | shinanca | mithodin: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ln -s /lib /lib64 |
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| 20:23.24 | shinanca | mithodin: then exec bash |
| 20:23.25 | rescueme | MoDaX: could you help me discover my RAID device ? |
| 20:23.38 | mithodin | shinanca: it works! |
| 20:23.51 | shinanca | mithodin: ok |
| 20:23.55 | mithodin | and I can login from ssh again |
| 20:24.09 | mithodin | oh my god, you are a lifesaver :-) |
| 20:24.10 | MoDaX | it's weird why it does not find anything in /lib though |
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| 20:24.13 | bjacques | rescueme: actually, there's only one person in that channel |
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| 20:24.24 | mithodin | thanks guys :-) |
| 20:24.27 | MoDaX | that's news to me |
| 20:24.41 | shinanca | MoDaX: because try ldd /bin/ls and you find it |
| 20:24.42 | rescueme | bjacques: you? :) |
| 20:25.26 | bjacques | rescueme: essentially, yes |
| 20:25.36 | bjacques | but there is something to be said for self-help ;) |
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| 20:26.29 | rescueme | bjacques: Depends on if you are a lawyer or not :) |
| 20:26.31 | foxtrot9 | is the channel debian-mentors on freenode? |
| 20:26.38 | MoDaX | sigh, ld.so is hardcoded in all binaries as /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 20:26.43 | MoDaX | that's why |
| 20:26.48 | shinanca | yup |
| 20:27.29 | mithodin | oh man, that's crazy. thanks again |
| 20:27.32 | foxtrot9 | doh invite only channel, even trying to participate in debian devel is hard |
| 20:27.43 | MoDaX | foxtrot9: no, only OFTC |
| 20:27.54 | foxtrot9 | oftc? |
| 20:28.11 | MoDaX | oftc.net irc.debian.org |
| 20:28.15 | foxtrot9 | oh |
| 20:28.16 | initself | \quit |
| 20:28.17 | initself | .quit |
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| 20:29.07 | MoDaX | freenode has not been an official debian irc server for a long time already |
| 20:30.05 | maurer | So, out of curiosity, what are the conditions under which something in stable can get upgraded? pianobar is essentially completely useless at the moment as its protocol version is too old to speak to pandora |
| 20:30.13 | mithodin | have a nice evening, everyone... going back to solving the problem I wanted to in the first place |
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| 20:30.45 | MoDaX | maurer: security updates only |
| 20:30.48 | MoDaX | mostly |
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| 20:31.14 | MoDaX | but there is also 'n'half effort which status I don't fully follow |
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| 20:32.44 | rescueme | MoDaX: Wait. grub can't possibly be instaslled to a /dev/md0 that doesn't exist till /etc is mounted is it? |
| 20:33.39 | MoDaX | rescueme: grub2 is capable of discovering dmraid disks if that's what you are asking |
| 20:34.05 | rescueme | MoDaX: hmm ok well so far it's doing better than I am I can't see the RAID from this Live CD |
| 20:34.42 | shinanca | rescueme: debian firmware free, do you try to install it for raid controller? |
| 20:34.58 | shinanca | rescueme: non-free in sources |
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| 20:36.45 | rescueme | shinanca: it's software RAID |
| 20:36.49 | rescueme | mdadm |
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| 20:37.13 | rescueme | which should be discoverable from mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 20:38.27 | MoDaX | rescueme: what did you do that it broke? |
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| 20:38.41 | rescueme | MoDaX: I installed debian from a netinstall |
| 20:39.01 | MoDaX | and it didn't boot? |
| 20:39.05 | rescueme | I made one RAID device from two HDDs |
| 20:39.33 | rescueme | I put an LVM volume on that with 4 LV partitions on reboot I got a grub rescue prompt |
| 20:39.37 | rescueme | correct |
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| 20:40.20 | rescueme | so I booted into a Live CD and tried to mount the RAID device so that I could reinstall grub from a CHROOT |
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| 20:40.39 | rescueme | but I can't find the RAID device from here either |
| 20:40.55 | rescueme | so I'm considering reinstalling debian |
| 20:41.11 | MoDaX | rescueme: reinstall debian and create md raid + lvm with installer |
| 20:41.43 | MoDaX | s/and create/ creating / |
| 20:42.58 | shinanca | rescueme: do you see md device in dev? |
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| 20:46.48 | rescueme | shinanca: there is a /dev/md directory with a md-device-map file there |
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| 20:48.20 | shinanca | rescueme: maybe you create superblock for example on sda1 not sda, but mdadm search on sda? |
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| 20:49.04 | rescueme | shinanca: hmm maybe I have the /dev/sda1 |
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| 20:49.42 | shinanca | rescueme: on any md device mdadm --detail on-device |
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| 20:51.05 | rescueme | shinanca: http://paste.debian.net/161054/ |
| 20:51.09 | shinanca | rescueme: try to reassembly mdadm |
| 20:52.33 | guardian | on a box running linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 which 3.2 would you install from backports? 686-pae? |
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| 20:53.38 | ompaul | guardian: is that xen box from a supplier? |
| 20:53.47 | ompaul | as in some vps seller? |
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| 20:53.52 | rescueme | shinanca: mdadm --assemble --scan correct? |
| 20:53.55 | guardian | the supplier is a friend of mine but yeah it's a vps |
| 20:54.11 | ompaul | guardian: so if you upgrade are you going to lose the ability to be on that box? |
| 20:54.20 | guardian | how do i know? |
| 20:54.36 | ompaul | guardian: ask your friend if that xen kernel is the only reason you can be on it |
| 20:54.39 | guardian | i mean he's ok if i aptitude upgrade |
| 20:54.57 | guardian | i just have to try, i'm asking so that i try the right thing :) |
| 20:55.07 | ompaul | anything with 686 in it should be reasonable but on your head be it |
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| 20:55.28 | guardian | and well maybe i'm too noob, i was told kernel 3.2 was great and that xen was merged into mainline |
| 20:55.37 | guardian | so i wanted to try a kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 20:55.56 | ompaul | guardian: and what extra functionality is your machine going to have? |
| 20:56.00 | guardian | i'm operating the box through ssh, so i guess if it doesn't reboot i'll know something went wrong |
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| 20:56.22 | ompaul | well go read about xen kernels |
| 20:56.28 | guardian | it's running nginx, php-fpm, apc, mysql, doing shared hosting for a couple (around 10) accounts |
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| 20:56.40 | Paulors | Is there an easy way to add an script to the Startup/Halt routines? |
| 20:57.05 | ompaul | Paulors: service SERVICE-NAME start / stop |
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| 20:57.35 | Paulors | ompaul actually I would like to make it run automatically.. |
| 20:57.43 | Paulors | I already put the script into init.d |
| 20:57.55 | guardian | ompaul: do you think upgrading to 3.2's going to break something? |
| 20:58.05 | Paulors | but it's not running. ( http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 ) |
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| 20:58.27 | ompaul | guardian: I'm almost sure you are going to have problems, go learn more about it first |
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| 20:58.48 | guardian | ok |
| 20:59.09 | ompaul | guardian have a look here http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2011/01/14/linux-2-6-37-first-upstream-linux-kernel-to-work-as-dom0/ |
| 20:59.29 | guardian | thank you |
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| 21:00.20 | shinanca | rescueme: maybe try - mdadm --stop <mddevice> |
| 21:00.32 | ompaul | Paulors: and your script paste.debian.net |
| 21:00.41 | rescueme | shinanca: just to clarify I don't have a /dev/md0 |
| 21:00.45 | rescueme | I have a /dec |
| 21:00.52 | lewellyn | i have a package that was just updated, but the upgrade blew away its configuration in /etc and replaced it with the stock configuration file. would it have likely been backed up somewhere? :/ |
| 21:01.04 | rescueme | a /dev/md/SCHCaptive:0 |
| 21:01.25 | guardian | ompaul: i'm running 2.6.32-xen atm |
| 21:01.32 | Thrashbarg | hrmph... ok so just now I started playing a stereo music file and it sounds rather garbled and distorted... however when I mix it to mono in audacity it sounds fine. I'm on Debian Testing with an ICH9 chipset... |
| 21:02.00 | ompaul | guardian here's the fun part, if it goes down how do you restart it? |
| 21:02.17 | guardian | i don't i guess :) he's going to do it |
| 21:02.36 | guardian | ompaul: well thx, i'll do it while chatting with him, so that he can takeover if needed |
| 21:02.41 | rescueme | shinanca: starting the mdadm device would create a /dev/md0 right ? |
| 21:02.41 | ompaul | guardian: I wouldn't :) unless he has physical access |
| 21:02.59 | guardian | he has |
| 21:03.17 | Paulors | ompaul http://paste.debian.net/161058/ |
| 21:03.22 | ompaul | guardian: enjoy |
| 21:03.24 | lewellyn | can't believe that it's so hard to find the answer to this on the internet :/ |
| 21:03.40 | guardian | ompaul: imho it's going to be painless, but you'll never know :) |
| 21:03.47 | abrotman | lewellyn: it depends |
| 21:04.04 | lewellyn | abrotman: figured that much. :/ |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | lewellyn: a) what was the package? b) what was the file? |
| 21:04.10 | guardian | lewellyn: that's why i'm using etckeeper |
| 21:04.24 | lewellyn | abrotman: resin from caucho's repository and it was /etc/resin/resin.properties |
| 21:04.33 | joar | it seems my wireless logitech goes to sleep after some seconds of inactivity, then has to be woken up by moving it for about half a second. Could this be related to any of Debian? |
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| 21:04.38 | shinanca | rescueme: i guess yes, you also can try ln what you have to md0 |
| 21:04.39 | lewellyn | it's just annoying to have to reconfigure all the properties and hunt down the keys |
| 21:04.47 | joar | logitech MOUSE |
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| 21:05.18 | ompaul | guardian: go read this and get the old long story - great background http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8540 |
| 21:05.26 | thewanderer1 | joar, all USB autosuspend features are off by default as far as I know |
| 21:05.32 | guardian | sure, thank you |
| 21:05.40 | rescueme | shinanca: fair enough |
| 21:06.12 | lewellyn | it's also downtime each time the package gets updated. and downtime sucks when the file shouldn't be reverted to stock :/ |
| 21:06.29 | rescueme | shinanca: linked |
| 21:06.40 | lewellyn | it's amusing that resin.xml isn't reverted, but i'll take the small miracles |
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| 21:07.43 | ompaul | Paulors: http://examplenow.com/update-rc.d/ there are better I just don't know how to ask the bot for it |
| 21:07.45 | slummer | what's up with x-ttcidfont-conf package in wheezy? |
| 21:07.57 | joar | thewanderer1: do you know where I can find out? |
| 21:08.00 | rescueme | shinanca: http://paste.debian.net/161060/ |
| 21:08.24 | Paulors | ompaul yeah, it works if I call manually.. but it's not auto calling |
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| 21:08.35 | thewanderer1 | joar, a tool like powertop will show you the status of various powersaving features |
| 21:08.38 | slummer | it's gone |
| 21:08.38 | shinanca | rescueme: pvdisplay |
| 21:08.54 | ompaul | Paulors: that's how you tell update-rc.d to make it work |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | lewellyn: okay, i don't knokw what resin is or who caucho is .. but unless the packager specifies that file as a conffile, they can do whatever they want when you upgrade |
| 21:09.17 | rescueme | shinanca: mapped to /dev/md127 |
| 21:09.24 | lewellyn | abrotman: ok. that's useful information for me to poke their forum with. thanks. :) |
| 21:09.39 | rescueme | lvscan works as well |
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| 21:09.46 | lewellyn | (caucho resin is a j2ee app server, btw) |
| 21:10.00 | abrotman | lewellyn: is there a .conffiles in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for that package |
| 21:10.15 | rescueme | \o/ ok let me try chroot to the LV |
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| 21:11.00 | lewellyn | abrotman: yup. and it doesn't list the properties file. thanks for showing me where it lives :) |
| 21:11.10 | lewellyn | so i'm just sol with the old config, then. |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | lewellyn: so that's why it didn't save it, and didn't prompt you .. it thinks it owns that file and you won't be changing it .. in short, the packager is a putz :) |
| 21:11.35 | joar | thewanderer1: this problem seems to have occured after a recent wake from suspend. I couldn't opend the "Display" tool, and the mouse wasn't working properly and now it's variably unresponsive for .5-3 while after ~5 seconds of inactivity. |
| 21:12.01 | lewellyn | abrotman: this is why i'm posting to the forum right now, yes :) |
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| 21:14.15 | rescueme | shinanca: did a bind mount on /dev and /proc and chrooted in the install |
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| 21:17.41 | shinanca | rescueme: type: dpkg -l | grep grub-pc in chroot |
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| 21:18.15 | OldParr | if i burn a CD in linux will it be readable in windows too ? |
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| 21:18.34 | aRGENTeam | :D |
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| 21:18.44 | dvs | !pal OldParr |
| 21:18.44 | dpkg | points at OldParr and laughs |
| 21:18.45 | shinanca | linux cd for linux, windows for windows =) |
| 21:18.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:19.09 | abrotman | OldParr: unless you try very hard to make it not happen, yes |
| 21:19.23 | AimHere | OldParr, if you use the iso9660 standard, the CD should be readable by any sensible OS |
| 21:19.35 | joar | thewanderer1: I moved the USB stick for the mouse to another USB port, that seem to have helped. |
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| 21:20.25 | shinanca | rescueme: found some help, maybe it`s your problem: debian release notes chapter 5 |
| 21:20.49 | joar | thewanderer1: Thank you anyway |
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| 21:21.08 | OldParr | abrotman: but i remember one day i burned a CD which filenames were only partialy visible in windows |
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| 21:22.36 | jacobw | short files names |
| 21:22.36 | abrotman | OldParr: did you close the session ? |
| 21:22.55 | OldParr | abrotman: i do not remember |
| 21:23.01 | OldParr | may be not |
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| 21:25.45 | shinanca | orphan: try when mount iocharset |
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| 21:25.55 | shinanca | OldParr: try when mount iocharset |
| 21:26.02 | abrotman | shinanca: in windows? |
| 21:26.09 | rescueme | shinanca: grub-pc is installed |
| 21:26.11 | abrotman | wonders who uses the mount command in windows .. |
| 21:26.15 | shinanca | rescueme: version? |
| 21:26.56 | shinanca | OldParr: file names was in local charset? not latin symbols? |
| 21:27.16 | guardian | is there a way to script adduser so that it doesn't ask for user information? |
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| 21:27.25 | guardian | like room number etc |
| 21:27.55 | DeusEx | guardian, useradd |
| 21:28.01 | OldParr | shinanca: all i remember is that the software i used was brasero |
| 21:28.17 | rescueme | shinanca: http://paste.debian.net/161063/ looks like it should be good according to that info |
| 21:28.34 | multi_io | this HTML5 video player has made Youtube virtually unusable for me under Debian (Chrome 17). Anyone else having this problem? |
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| 21:28.54 | multi_io | unfortunately this thing no longer seems to be an opt-in. |
| 21:29.20 | multi_io | it just won't play half the time (or more like 80% of the time). |
| 21:29.32 | Dulak | multi_io: I have the exact opposite problem, using flash is almost unusable in chrome but the html5 viewer just chugs along. |
| 21:29.41 | guardian | DeusEx: ok, too bad, adduser was convenient beside those last questions |
| 21:29.47 | OldParr | shinanca: i do not know very much about relationship between charsets and CD burning |
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| 21:31.27 | shinanca | rescueme: hm... strange... why it can`t boot. sry i can`t think now, because 1:28AM my local time, and i wanna sleep. maybe problem in initramfs hooks, i posted patch in debian one year ago, but it was ignored |
| 21:31.46 | OldParr | if i want to connect my debian machine to a windows 7 machine with wireles network adapter , do i have to install samba ? |
| 21:32.24 | rescueme | shinanca: alright thanks this is further than I had gotten before so I'll play around till I get the intended results |
| 21:32.33 | rescueme | if all goes really badly I can just reinstall |
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| 21:32.55 | rescueme | shinanca: much appreciated |
| 21:33.05 | abrotman | OldParr: have to? no, but it's the easiest way |
| 21:33.18 | shinanca | rescueme: np |
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| 21:35.06 | OldParr | abrotman: what else i need to install to connect to another wireless machine ? |
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| 21:38.38 | maurer | Anyone know how to convince gnome to use a cups server other than localhost? |
| 21:38.53 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, first you have to define what connecting to a machine means |
| 21:39.52 | OldParr | thewanderer1: to have acces to the files on the other machine |
| 21:40.37 | thewanderer1 | I think you only need Samba to serve files - you should be able to mount a Windows share without samba installed |
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| 21:45.36 | OldParr | thewanderer1: how do i mount a Windows share ? |
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| 21:49.05 | nkuttler | OldParr: smbclient? |
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| 21:49.37 | nkuttler | though you probably need something like smbfs if you want to mount it... |
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| 21:50.18 | thewanderer1 | I think it's just -t cifs |
| 21:50.41 | s70rm | cifs of course |
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| 21:51.31 | OldParr | thewanderer1: i installed samba do i must remove it first before triying to mount the windows share ? |
| 21:51.42 | Ix-Xitan | how do i enter characters that are not on my keyboard into debian command line ? |
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| 21:52.51 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, it's irrelevant to mounting Windows shares if you have Samba installed or not I think. http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susesambacifs.html - not Debian-specific, but looks OK. |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | OldParr: what? |
| 21:53.09 | OldParr | Ix-Xitan: charmap |
| 21:53.35 | rescueme | Kcharmap |
| 21:53.36 | Ix-Xitan | ok thanks |
| 21:53.39 | OldParr | abrotman:i installed samba do i must remove it first before triying to mount the windows share ? |
| 21:54.08 | abrotman | you might need to configure it ... |
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| 21:54.32 | athena007 | hello i have coovachilli installed on debian squeeze |
| 21:54.59 | abrotman | sounds like an STD |
| 21:54.59 | athena007 | for some reason chilli is hanging to booting process |
| 21:54.59 | OldParr | abrotman: configuring samba is a way to mount a windows share ? |
| 21:55.08 | abrotman | OldParr: then you need smbclient or smbmount .. you didn't say which way you were sharing earlier |
| 21:55.09 | athena007 | boot process stall at cleaning temporary errors |
| 21:55.29 | athena007 | chilli runs as service at runlevel 2,3 |
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| 21:56.09 | athena007 | how can i boot the system in recovery mode with out chilli service starting so i can safely disable it at startup |
| 21:56.18 | OldParr | abrotman: there is no need to remove samba ? |
| 21:56.30 | Paulors | what should I do about this message? Failed to fetch http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dictionaries-common/ dictionaries-common_0.98.12_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 200.236.31.3 80] |
| 21:56.47 | Paulors | it's actually missing the .deb, but there's the .tar.gz |
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| 21:57.40 | abrotman | Paulors: which version of Debian ? |
| 21:57.43 | athena007 | hello i need to bypass or overide a service at boot time since its hanging the boot rocess |
| 21:57.46 | abrotman | judd: versoins dictionaries-common |
| 21:57.55 | Paulors | lenny abramart |
| 21:57.57 | abrotman | judd: versions dictionaries-common |
| 21:57.58 | judd | Package: dictionaries-common on i386 -- lenny: 0.98.12; lenny-backports: 1.0.0~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.5.17; sid: 1.12.5; wheezy: 1.12.5 |
| 21:58.06 | abrotman | Paulors: see archive.debian.org .. enjoy |
| 21:58.26 | athena007 | current system bootup hangs at the service initiating |
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| 21:58.50 | abrotman | athena007: why are you repeating? |
| 21:58.52 | athena007 | any clues as to by pass the service to enable the system complete the boot proces |
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| 21:59.05 | OldParr | anyone smbclient or smbmount ? |
| 21:59.37 | athena007 | abrotman: sorry was just rephrasing issue well |
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| 21:59.51 | athena007 | abrotman: please any clues to my problem |
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| 22:00.12 | MRCracker | hi all, i have error when trying to compelety remove gdm3 |
| 22:00.19 | MRCracker | http://paste.debian.net/161067/ |
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| 22:01.13 | Paulors | thanks abramart |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | my name is abrotman |
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| 22:01.31 | athena007 | abrotman: :) |
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| 22:01.58 | athena007 | abrotman: please help am desperate |
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| 22:04.20 | homie` | oh man, how much time does it take to get the deps for base packages resolved ? |
| 22:04.45 | OldParr | abrotman: is there any GUI for smbclient ? |
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| 22:05.58 | abrotman | OldParr: no idea, always done it CLI |
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| 22:06.54 | athena007 | abrotman: please are u less busy to assist me? |
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| 22:09.19 | Cerise | mh. switching off amd cpu c1e support fixed my cpu soft lockup issues. is that a kernel 'bug' of some sort? |
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| 22:11.05 | dRealm | I have a udev question. refer to note '1)' of /etc/udev/rules.d/README |
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| 22:11.55 | dRealm | it says that "pick a number higher than the rules you want to override, and yours iwll be used" |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | athena007: why are you badgering me .. i haven't shown any interest in your question |
| 22:12.19 | athena007 | abrotman: please show interest :) |
| 22:12.39 | dRealm | I have always thought that the lower the number the higher the priority. |
| 22:13.04 | athena007 | i need a means to issue command to grub or boot process to skip a service so system can boot to shell for me to solve problem |
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| 22:14.08 | OldParr | is there any GUI application to mount a windows share ? |
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| 22:14.55 | EmleyMoor | dRealm: As in "be done first", you're right. However, you want an override to be done afterwards. Same phrase, different perspective |
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| 22:16.57 | else- | can anyone tell me how to use the auto.smb script of autofs for mounting samba shares? where can i find documentation on this? |
| 22:18.10 | abrotman | athena007: which OS is this? uname -r? |
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| 22:18.31 | athena007 | debian squeeze |
| 22:18.47 | LtL | athena007: you can get to grub menu up correct? |
| 22:18.55 | athena007 | yes |
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| 22:19.55 | homie` | how many base packages are there in squeeze ? |
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| 22:20.09 | homie` | more then 3867 ? |
| 22:20.20 | LtL | athena007: press 'e' at the grub menu, move the cursor to the boot linux line, at the end of that line append, 'init=/bin/bash' no quotes, then press 'b' to boot. that might get you to a shell. |
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| 22:21.27 | dRealm | EmleyMoor, the reason why i am kinda confused is because I am not sure how udev parses these rules files. I was thinking maybe it'll just stop reading other rules as soon as it finds the first rule that matches the device that triggered the event. oh well, I'll just understand it as such. |
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| 22:25.16 | abrotman | athena007: boot single user mode, disable your init script, reboot |
| 22:25.50 | LtL | abrotman: I kinda figured athena007 tried that. |
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| 22:26.06 | athena007 | :) |
| 22:26.29 | athena007 | init=/bin/bash took me to shell |
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| 22:26.38 | athena007 | forgot to mount rw |
| 22:26.43 | athena007 | doing that now |
| 22:26.54 | LtL | athena007: I forget if it's 'b' to boot but the screeb will say what to do to boot the edited line. |
| 22:28.07 | athena007 | LtL: actually crtl x to boot after e editing |
| 22:28.17 | LtL | athena007: ah, right. |
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| 22:29.27 | athena007 | i know on rhel chkconfig servicename off --level x,x disables the the service |
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| 22:29.35 | athena007 | whats the equiv in debian |
| 22:29.54 | jbrks | equiv of what? |
| 22:30.10 | gnarface | athena007: its update-rc.d |
| 22:30.18 | homie` | oh man i'm at 3989 resolve deps now.... |
| 22:30.23 | LtL | athena007: that would be redhat, update-rc.d service remove or whichever |
| 22:30.26 | homie` | soooo slow..... |
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| 22:30.53 | Harzilein | hi |
| 22:30.54 | homie` | half a day gone... |
| 22:30.58 | Harzilein | is there any article that explains how multiarch source packages will look like and how dpkg-buildpackage will be called to make binary packages for multiple platforms? |
| 22:31.00 | gnarface | LtL, athena007 disable i believe, not remove. otherwise yea, basically that |
| 22:31.11 | homie` | can't ever remember it being so slow... |
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| 22:31.20 | jbrks | Harzilein, it's probably still in the works.. but i've seen posts of it in mailinglists |
| 22:31.26 | LtL | gnarface: yah, disable |
| 22:31.29 | Harzilein | well, the former is obviously stated from a developer point of view in the wiki |
| 22:31.33 | athena007 | LtL: actually disable |
| 22:31.38 | jbrks | !multiarch |
| 22:31.38 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 22:31.42 | LtL | athena007: go for it! |
| 22:31.57 | Harzilein | jbrks: well, i know that factoid of course |
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| 22:32.38 | Harzilein | jbrks: i was wondering if there would be something from an admin point of view, i.e. i get a source package from somewhere, how do i build for all architectures i have cross compilers for |
| 22:33.20 | jbrks | Harzilein, dunno.. i believe that's documented |
| 22:34.41 | athena007 | thanks folks :) |
| 22:35.04 | themill | homie`: what are you doing? |
| 22:35.18 | LtL | athena007: sorry i nearly mislead you, you're welcome. |
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| 22:36.42 | athena007 | ok i thought debian stores nics installed in a file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 22:36.44 | kevlarman | Harzilein: i'm guessing dpkg-buildpackage -a<whatever> |
| 22:36.50 | themill | Harzilein: multiarch is about co-installability not cross-compiling. Being able to cross-compile is just one of the consequences of having a multiarch setup. |
| 22:36.58 | athena007 | but that file is empty on my system |
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| 22:37.34 | Harzilein | themill: well, if multiarch is expected to get widely adopted, surely there should be instructions for third party packagers? |
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| 22:38.06 | themill | Harzilein: that's what's on the wiki (not that it's particularly digestible...) |
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| 22:38.34 | Harzilein | themill: i.e. those who can't outsource that task to a buildd infratructure |
| 22:38.56 | themill | Harzilein: multiarch isn't about buildd infrastructure. It's not about building packages. |
| 22:39.09 | Harzilein | kevlarman: is -a really about multiarch? it's already present in stable |
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| 22:39.50 | darkelfjuggalo1 | Can I install GNOME 3 on Squeeze without issue, or do i need to upgrade to Weezy/testing since it is in the depository? |
| 22:40.03 | darkelfjuggalo1 | in THAT depsoitory |
| 22:40.14 | darkelfjuggalo1 | repository |
| 22:40.18 | darkelfjuggalo1 | i cant think today |
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| 22:40.58 | themill | Harzilein: but your questions are about setting the build arch and build time (which is not what multiarch is about) |
| 22:41.02 | jbrks | Harzilein, you um read the factoid? there's instructions from the url dpkg posted.. and it looks well documented |
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| 22:42.39 | jbrks | athena007, i believe udev may assign a mac-address udev rule if new network cards are detected.. say to may eth0 or eth1 static to the same mac-address |
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| 22:43.49 | athena007 | jbrks: problem is i have changed the nics on the system - so normally i clear that file reboot the system for a new one to be created |
| 22:44.21 | athena007 | but this time i noticed the file is not even present |
| 22:44.35 | jbrks | probably there's a script to regenerate newly detected mac-addresses |
| 22:44.47 | athena007 | i even created it for it to populate but still empty |
| 22:44.49 | jbrks | (try 'apropos mac') |
| 22:45.15 | jbrks | or apropos nic, mac-address something like this (or filter apropos udev, and see if anything is related to ethernet) |
| 22:45.15 | athena007 | jbrks: new script |
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| 22:48.59 | athena007 | jbrks: apropos udev | grep -i ethernet shows no info |
| 22:49.13 | athena007 | same for nic and mac |
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| 22:50.31 | athena007 | deleted both 70-persistent-cd.rules and 70-persistent-net.rules and rebooted only 70-persistent-cd.rules was created |
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| 22:54.56 | OldParr | how do i share a linux folder with another windows 7 computer ? |
| 22:55.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | samba |
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| 22:57.08 | OldParr | Kamping_Kaiser: i am looking options in the samba interface, but i do not see nothing |
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| 22:57.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | OldParr: i don't use it, so i can't tell you how to |
| 22:57.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: samba |
| 22:57.41 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 22:57.43 | abrotman | OldParr: samba |
| 22:57.48 | abrotman | OldParr: stop changing your question |
| 22:57.51 | themill | "samba interface" meaning what, I wonder? |
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| 22:58.08 | useless-eater | OldParr: samba is powerful. a bit hard to master first time. but really powerful |
| 22:58.39 | OldParr | abrotman: i succeded sharing the windows folder, but now i want to share a linux folder |
| 22:59.01 | useless-eater | nfs easy and fast between linuxes |
| 22:59.26 | useless-eater | install samba and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 23:00.13 | OldParr | useless-eater: thanks |
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| 23:05.48 | OldParr | themill: applications --> system tools --> Network tools |
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| 23:06.37 | themill | OldParr: that's not actually samba and very few people are going to immediately guess that's what you mean when you vaguely say "the samba interface". |
| 23:06.52 | OldParr | themill: gnome-network |
| 23:07.08 | OldParr | themill: i am sorry, i made a mistake |
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| 23:08.16 | matt8686 | Is it possible to "slide" partition using the tools included with e2fsprogs package? I mean I would like to shrink the partition from the end and then move the whole partition towards the end of the disk.. |
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| 23:09.11 | abrotman | matt8686: sounds like something gparted would be fore |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | for |
| 23:09.34 | OldParr | themill: do you know how to share a folder in debian ? |
| 23:09.51 | themill | OldParr: [23:59] <useless-eater> install samba and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 23:10.04 | matt8686 | abrotman, I don't have X. I could use parted as well, but I'm just wondering is it possible to achieve this using low level tools as well. |
| 23:10.37 | abrotman | i meant a gparted livecd |
| 23:10.50 | useless-eater | OldParr: yeah. to who? windows? then use samba. to another linux, use nfs, to the whole world use ftp or http ;) |
| 23:11.22 | OldParr | useless-eater:: there is a lot to learn to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf manually |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | OldParr: so get reading ... it's not hard to do basic stuff .. interacting with useless-eater doesn't seem like it'll get you very far |
| 23:12.07 | useless-eater | :p |
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| 23:12.34 | thewanderer1 | ,info swat |
| 23:12.35 | judd | Package swat (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Samba Web Administration Tool. Version: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze6; Size: 2215.5k; Installed: 6976k; Homepage: http://www.samba.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/swat |
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| 23:12.49 | OldParr | abrotman: i do not think that being a master in debian is a requisite to share a folder |
| 23:13.11 | thewanderer1 | and GNOME should have sharing built-in, no? I think I've seen options for that |
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| 23:14.45 | abrotman | OldParr: i didn't say it was .. neither is sharing an anonymous samba rw share |
| 23:15.01 | useless-eater | OldParr: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-set-permissions-to-samba-shares.html one of many howtos out there :) You want the share open or closed, integrated in a windows domain, or ask a server for auth? following samba users on local computer? samba is huge and probably a lot more configurable than even windows itself... |
| 23:15.17 | matt8686 | abrotman, ok, thanks! :) |
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| 23:18.09 | useless-eater | OldParr: btw, samba is pretty much the same for all.. debian, gentoo, arch, BSDs, whatever. gotta master samba though :) if following a howto isnt your thing. |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | useless-eater: are you done babbling ? |
| 23:19.24 | useless-eater | a sec.. :p |
| 23:19.35 | useless-eater | i use it for printing together with cups, totally awesome when having to share printers to windows clients |
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| 23:20.14 | useless-eater | ok, done, and going to bed :) good night all |
| 23:21.35 | OldParr | useless-eater: do not let people say you are babbling |
| 23:21.42 | abrotman | but he is |
| 23:21.56 | useless-eater | I am, too much beer, and too late at night :p |
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| 23:23.16 | haole | is there a convention to identify a custom package? suppose i build octave with a different blas library... what would I call it? octave-3.0.4-1+custom? |
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| 23:25.37 | useless-eater | OldParr: its true thought, gl with your sharing. samba is great when having to deal with windows. Better to stay away from both if possible though ;) gn |
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| 23:59.16 | t35t0r | I installed wheezy using debootstrap and I'm trying to get the python that's installed in it to work outside the chroot, When I run it with this : /usr/local/debian/usr/bin/python , I get this error : IOError: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/debian/usr/local/lib/python2.7/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) , If I run /usr/local/debian/usr/bin/python2.7 -S -c 'import sys; print sys.prefix' it shows /usr/local/debian/usr ..any id |
| 23:59.16 | t35t0r | ea how to get around this while still being outside the chroot ? |
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