| 00:00.09 | homie` | jailbreak ?= |
| 00:00.10 | homie` | lol |
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| 00:00.50 | t35t0r | is there a patch I can apply to sysconfig.py to get this to work ? |
| 00:01.36 | t35t0r | bleh gotta run |
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| 00:05.13 | darkelfjuggalo1 | Am i able to install GNOME 3 on Squeeze and run with no issues or will i have to upgrade to wheezy to use it since it is in the wheezt repository? |
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| 00:09.08 | emily | hi |
| 00:09.09 | gnarface | hey i've got a cyborg r.a.t. 7 mouse and i was wondering if anyone has heard of a 3rd party linux tool to configure this thing, since i can't run the windows tool (obviously, and kevlarman says wine support for it is out of the question) - basically i'm looking for something like nvclock (for nvidia cards) or lomoco (for logitech mice) but for cyborg mice. |
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| 00:09.36 | gnarface | and no, i don't need help getting it working. it works fine with my xorg.conf lines, i just can't get at things like the profile settings/dpi adjustments |
| 00:10.15 | passstab | hi |
| 00:10.26 | passstab | i'm getting this message |
| 00:10.31 | passstab | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67758 |
| 00:11.25 | passstab | all i did was install |
| 00:11.46 | passstab | preserving the old home partition |
| 00:13.15 | passstab | and upgraded to testing |
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| 00:13.40 | passstab | but the problem was there before that |
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| 00:16.11 | abrotman | passstab: this is #debian ? |
| 00:16.38 | passstab | yess? |
| 00:16.56 | lewellyn | you linked to archlinux.org |
| 00:16.57 | passstab | oh |
| 00:17.03 | passstab | same message |
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| 00:17.22 | passstab | but on debian stable and testing |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | same message what? |
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| 00:17.42 | abrotman | stable and testing? |
| 00:17.45 | passstab | when i try to log in on xfce |
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| 00:17.53 | passstab | yes |
| 00:18.01 | passstab | started on stable |
| 00:18.22 | passstab | moved to testing (i was gonna anyways) |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | passstab: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 00:19.36 | gnarface | anyone? lomoco but for cyborg mice? |
| 00:19.44 | passstab | intel corperation 82865g |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | tha tis not what lspci says |
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| 00:20.03 | passstab | ok |
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| 00:20.48 | abrotman | passstab: and what is 'uname -r' |
| 00:21.40 | passstab | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300] intel corperation 82865g [8086:2572] rev 2 |
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| 00:22.17 | passstab | 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
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| 00:24.26 | passstab | XDG_CONFIG_DIRS should be /home/{user}/.config ? |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | passstab: did oyu try this as a new user? |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | instead of oone copied form your old system / |
| 00:25.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:25.29 | passstab | no |
| 00:25.45 | passstab | i saved the old /home |
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| 00:25.56 | passstab | and the same user |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | so try a new user |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | just to see if it's your problem or the system |
| 00:26.40 | passstab | ok |
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| 00:30.03 | Beticious | Play the free game of sports bet, you can win a PS3 or 50$ paypal tickets for free http://www.beticious.com/es/register?ref=Trece30 |
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| 00:32.12 | passstab | adding a new user makes allot of other problems |
| 00:32.21 | abrotman | how did you add the new user? |
| 00:33.24 | passstab | adduser , passwd |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | so what new issues did it create ? |
| 00:34.05 | abrotman | passstab: have you tried using gdm or xdm or something / |
| 00:34.26 | passstab | i am useing gdm |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | and the errors are? |
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| 00:35.11 | passstab | home doesn't exist |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | uhm .. you've done sometihng wrong |
| 00:35.37 | abrotman | what is the new user ID ? |
| 00:35.52 | passstab | i meen users home |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | what is the new user ID ? |
| 00:36.42 | passstab | uhh |
| 00:36.51 | abrotman | hard question ? |
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| 00:37.29 | passstab | 1001 |
| 00:37.47 | passstab | as is the gid and group |
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| 00:38.22 | abrotman | what is the $HOME for the user in /etc/passwd ? and does that $HOME exist? |
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| 00:39.48 | passstab | the new user? |
| 00:39.59 | passstab | /home/dee |
| 00:40.18 | passstab | (i named him dee ;) |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | and that directory exists? |
| 00:40.46 | passstab | no |
| 00:41.08 | passstab | the one for the origenal user does tho |
| 00:41.11 | abrotman | and you used adduser? and it didn't have any errors? and you didn't pass options ? |
| 00:41.30 | passstab | corract |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | passstab: ls -ld /home/ |
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| 00:42.21 | passstab | drwxr-xr-x |
| 00:42.31 | passstab | root root |
| 00:42.38 | passstab | 4096 |
| 00:42.39 | abrotman | you need to learn about cut and paste .. i'm not asking specific questions for vague answers |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | use userdel dee .. remove the user .. use adduser dee again .. |
| 00:43.06 | passstab | i'm working on a diffrent computer |
| 00:43.12 | passstab | sorry |
| 00:43.15 | abrotman | so install irssi to use IRC in text mode |
| 00:43.51 | passstab | that is another thing i should learn |
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| 00:45.14 | passstab | ok |
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| 00:45.26 | passstab | i did that and got the same problem |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | i should note that adduser and useradd on Debian are completely different .. make sure you use addusre |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | adduser |
| 00:46.06 | passstab | oh ok |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | so you weren't using adduser? |
| 00:46.20 | passstab | i ment the same as the other user |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | do you still not have a $HOME ? |
| 00:47.35 | passstab | now i do |
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| 00:49.12 | passstab | i have the same message i linked to above |
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| 00:50.11 | abrotman | how did you install xorg/xfce / |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:50.27 | passstab | netinstall |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | try again .. |
| 00:50.41 | passstab | ??? |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg xfce4 ? |
| 00:50.52 | passstab | oh good |
| 00:51.10 | passstab | i thought you ment the hole thing |
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| 00:54.13 | passstab | it worked |
| 00:54.22 | passstab | thank you :) |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 01:08.43 | passstab | what jre is preferred on testing ? |
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| 01:11.38 | abrotman | openjdk i'd guess |
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| 01:15.24 | Junebouvier | Running sid. Open a tty, press an arrow key. Does the "place when you're supposed to type" move around for you, or is it a bug on my system only? |
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| 01:16.09 | Junebouvier | Note that you can also delete the text such as "<hostname> login:" after moving. |
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| 01:18.39 | craigevil | bug |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | or mainframe terminal! |
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| 01:21.39 | ajithkanu | can anyone please recommend a visualization software to run on debian. |
| 01:21.40 | menphis1989 | ciao a tutti |
| 01:22.01 | dvs | bye! |
| 01:22.03 | koobs_ | visualisation of what? |
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| 01:22.28 | ajithkanu | koobs_: I want to run different OS |
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| 01:22.41 | abrotman | ajithkanu: vbox is decent |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | wonders if anyone else knows about the angry man |
| 01:23.02 | ajithkanu | abrotman: thank you. |
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| 01:23.39 | ajithkanu | koobs.Thank you I got the answer |
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| 01:24.22 | Lint | how can I pass my keyboard input as file? |
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| 01:28.06 | saienia | Lint: echo "your text here" > filename |
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| 01:28.40 | Lint | no, I don't need a real file |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | i think he means to use the 'script' program |
| 01:29.13 | Strav | Hi! Does anyone here have some experience with setting up a xen dom0 along with the grsec? |
| 01:29.48 | Strav | (I feel like there might be some grsec kernel config options that can mess up with xen) |
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| 01:39.41 | youlysses | Where can I grab an iso of wheezy's testing? |
| 01:40.18 | passstab | you aren't supposed to |
| 01:40.44 | passstab | your supposed to install stable |
| 01:40.54 | passstab | and then upgrade |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | youlysses: generally, the testing installer is to test the installer, not install testing |
| 01:41.06 | youlysses | K. Was about to ask. |
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| 01:41.38 | youlysses | Do I just dist-upgrade? |
| 01:42.15 | epsilon | yes |
| 01:42.18 | craigevil | youlysses, same place you get the stable iso > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ you want either the daily or weekly |
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| 01:42.59 | craigevil | easier to d-u, the testing installer tends to be broken |
| 01:43.00 | youlysses | Is the dvd image worth the effort? I have a fair network connection... |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | youlysses: it's not worth the effort |
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| 01:43.24 | epsilon | youlysses: but keep in mind, you work with software in development |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | youlysses: install a minimal stable box with the netinst .. go from there |
| 01:43.38 | youlysses | I know. |
| 01:43.49 | youlysses | K. |
| 01:44.09 | darkelfjuggalo | If i install Gnome 3 from Wheezy on to a Squeeze image, will i have any problems loading it? |
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| 01:44.56 | epsilon | probably heavy dependency issues |
| 01:45.23 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: i would expect there to be problems but not with just starting it |
| 01:45.23 | darkelfjuggalo | explain, please? |
| 01:45.27 | epsilon | consider using full testing or gnome3-backport for stable |
| 01:45.34 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: future updates will break badly? |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: it probably won't work |
| 01:46.11 | darkelfjuggalo | ok I'll wait for Wheezy to stable then... any updates as to when that might be? |
| 01:46.18 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: you've at that point mixed wheezy with squeeze. this is sort of like mixing oil with water. it works fine (as long as you apply heat) but what you've got left is no longer useful as fuel or as drinking water |
| 01:46.19 | epsilon | darkelfjuggalo: mixing stable and testing packages on same installation is always a bad idea |
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| 01:47.27 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: hasn't even frozen yet .. haven't heard rumblings about a freeze either |
| 01:47.29 | epsilon | wheezy release time... good question, in a year maybe? |
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| 01:47.44 | youlysses | If I want a full Gnome3 desktop, at the inital install should I not unselect the "Desktop Enviroment" section, dist-upgrade, then apt-get install Gnome? |
| 01:48.10 | abrotman | youlysses: right, only install standard tools .. then dist-upgrade .. then use aptitude to install gnome |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | and xorg |
| 01:49.07 | youlysses | Ok coolio. Thanks for all the help guys, this is my first time really giving debian a shot. |
| 01:49.29 | epsilon | first time and wheezy? good luck |
| 01:49.39 | youlysses | Well I'll bbl, Im going to try to install this baby |
| 01:49.41 | youlysses | & lol |
| 01:49.56 | youlysses | Peace. o/ |
| 01:50.21 | epsilon | keep playing. if you break it, just reinstall, it's all free :P |
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| 02:55.17 | WormFood | I want to copy one partition on one computer, to another partition (overwriting it), on another computer, without making another file, such as a tarball. Both computers are connected via the network. I used bzip2 and netcat to do the job, but I was hoping there would be tools already made to do this task, but I couldn't find anything. I know I can do it with iscsi or aoe and parted magic, but was hoping to avoid that additional complexity. |
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| 02:56.44 | jbrks | WormFood, you can mount a rawimage of a harddrive from a usb |
| 02:56.59 | WormFood | usb != network |
| 02:57.05 | jbrks | (and then use rsync -a /source /target instead) |
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| 02:57.14 | WormFood | I know I can do that, I want to transfer it over the network. |
| 02:57.15 | jbrks | I thought you said you gave up on the network way. |
| 02:57.35 | WormFood | I didn't give up. I'm done. I'm just hoping to find a better way next time I need to do this |
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| 02:57.44 | jbrks | I dont think there is.. |
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| 02:58.01 | abrotman | WormFood: is it unmounted? |
| 02:58.09 | jbrks | the only thing i can think of is to checkout clonezilla |
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| 02:58.32 | WormFood | rsync only copies the files, it won't copy the partition...also, the partition format shouldn't matter, but in this case, it is ntfs, so I doubt rsync would work |
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| 02:58.46 | WormFood | abrotman, sure |
| 02:58.59 | Crooks_mobile | you can pipe dd through nc or ssh |
| 02:59.04 | WormFood | on both machines. The destination machine is running a Linux from cd |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | WormFood: you can use dd and nc |
| 02:59.18 | WormFood | well Crooks_mobile, good job. I used bzip2 and netcat |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | or watch Crooks_mobile beat me to it :) |
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| 02:59.35 | WormFood | and why use dd at all? it is a conversion tool. |
| 02:59.47 | abrotman | it is? |
| 02:59.50 | WormFood | I didn't feel dd was the right tool for this job |
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| 02:59.54 | WormFood | yeah, read the man page |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | and copy |
| 03:00.07 | WormFood | dd - convert and copy a file |
| 03:00.13 | jbrks | WormFood, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonezilla |
| 03:00.15 | WormFood | what am I converting? I just need to copy :P |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | okay .. fine .. do it your own way |
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| 03:00.34 | abrotman | don't listen to people tha tmight have a clue .. that's how you do things .. i forgot |
| 03:00.51 | WormFood | jbrks, oh yeah, I remember hearing of clonezilla, but never checked it out. Forgot to check this time, does it support network copy? |
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| 03:01.22 | jbrks | donates to wikipedia on a daily basis. |
| 03:01.23 | WormFood | abrotman, what is the deal with the attitude today? I'm not being rude to you. I just don't feel dd is the easiest tool to use for this job. |
| 03:01.58 | abrotman | WormFood: right .. so you'll do it your way |
| 03:03.20 | Crooks_mobile | if you want the whole partition and not the files dd is what you want |
| 03:03.35 | WormFood | abrotman, I did do it my way, and it worked perfectly...I was looking for a better way. Adding dd to the mix simply isn't needed. I just do a cat /dev/sda1 | bzip2 - -c -9 | nc remote.ip remote.port, and on the remote site, I simply do the reverse and redirect it to /dev/sda1...not hard...but was hoping to find something more automatic |
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| 03:03.47 | jbrks | lol |
| 03:03.50 | WormFood | Crooks_mobile, dd is no different than cp |
| 03:03.55 | abrotman | OMG .. |
| 03:03.57 | WormFood | in this case |
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| 03:04.15 | jbrks | WormFood, go home. doesnt matter which cli tool you use.. because I know dd is used for this as well.. |
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| 03:04.38 | WormFood | dd is used for a lot of things...it just isn't needed here |
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| 03:04.50 | jbrks | uh shutup troll |
| 03:04.51 | Crooks_mobile | dd if=/dev/sdc2 is very different from cp /home/user/ |
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| 03:05.10 | WormFood | Crooks_mobile, cp /dev/sdc2 is no different than dd if=/dev/sdc2 |
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| 03:05.26 | abrotman | he said cat above, not cp |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | is it on a LAN? why would you bzip? |
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| 03:06.13 | Crooks_mobile | I'm done helping for a while |
| 03:06.18 | WormFood | it has a lot of empty space in the image. I didn't want to send 30 gigs across the network, when 1/2 was just zeroes |
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| 03:06.57 | WormFood | yes, it is on a lan. I said that before. if both harddrives were on a local machine, I'd just use parted magic |
| 03:07.02 | WormFood | or dd even |
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| 03:08.14 | boston8372 | anyone here a mod rewrite guru |
| 03:08.16 | WormFood | I was just hoping to find a better way than what I was using, and so far the best thing I've gotten is just a different technique for doing the same thing....not better, just different |
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| 03:08.30 | jbrks | boston8372, you mean for apache? |
| 03:08.35 | boston8372 | y |
| 03:08.36 | WormFood | boston8372, you might have better luck in an apache channel |
| 03:08.50 | boston8372 | yeah but u guys are more fun |
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| 03:09.11 | jbrks | WormFood, there is a better way but I'm not telling you. |
| 03:09.50 | WormFood | jbrks, shutup troll |
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| 03:12.40 | silvertip257 | WormFood: partclone is the backend for tools that Clonezilla uses and what not |
| 03:13.12 | WormFood | does it work over a network? |
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| 03:13.21 | jbrks | no. |
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| 03:13.45 | jbrks | that's why i suggested it because it doesnt. |
| 03:14.09 | Kobaz | anyone know of any apps that will show or graph context switches per second, per process |
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| 03:16.26 | silvertip257 | WormFood: Clonezilla works over the network. I just don't know what it uses (in the case you want to push data from partclone over the network). |
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| 03:17.06 | kd123 | I'm trying to build a wireless driver for my kernel, but I need a 'wireless-testing' kernel to compile my driver.... Where do I get this 'wireless-testing' kernel? |
| 03:17.17 | TheSarge | Anyone know a simple console package I can install that lets me check and monitor current network in/out speeds? |
| 03:17.26 | WormFood | I'm reading up on it now |
| 03:17.33 | TheSarge | up/down* |
| 03:17.38 | silvertip257 | WormFood: if you're just looking to move data and not a partitioning scheme and what not, just use rsync if it's a Linux system. You're better off dd/partcloning a Windows system if you're moving that type of data. |
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| 03:18.12 | silvertip257 | TheSarge: iptraf? |
| 03:18.22 | Kobaz | WormFood: wormy |
| 03:18.26 | WormFood | yeah, it is a winblows machine. I'll probably use clonezilla to make an image on my file server, and then restore that image as needed |
| 03:18.42 | Kobaz | WormFood: i've had problems with clonezilla and windows filesystems |
| 03:18.42 | WormFood | hey Kobaz, whats up/ |
| 03:19.04 | Kobaz | when you restore it onto another machine it's not bootable in my experience |
| 03:19.17 | jbrks | this isn't #mswindows :/ |
| 03:19.19 | silvertip257 | I've used it to clone a machine, but knew that I needed to repair the MBR |
| 03:19.19 | Kobaz | dd is the only way |
| 03:19.31 | Kobaz | well the only really easy, foolproof way |
| 03:19.31 | silvertip257 | jbrks: he's using Linux tools to clone. chill |
| 03:19.53 | WormFood | Kobaz, does clonezilla work on the filesystem level, ie backing up files, or does it work at the partition level? |
| 03:19.56 | Kobaz | i guess i'll write my own /proc/pid/stat parser |
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| 03:20.04 | silvertip257 | file system level |
| 03:20.09 | Kobaz | WormFood: it coppies files |
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| 03:20.23 | WormFood | yeah, that would be the problem there. I need the partition info that is not part of the files. |
| 03:20.26 | silvertip257 | dd takes much longer since it moves _each_ bit |
| 03:20.35 | WormFood | I used bzip2 |
| 03:20.43 | Kobaz | WormFood: and make sure you remove the sata controller or your target system will be unbootable |
| 03:20.51 | WormFood | the unused space is all zeroes, so it compresses well |
| 03:21.00 | silvertip257 | WormFood: big whoop if you have to use your Windows CD to repair the MBR ... you've been able to clone the disk :) |
| 03:21.09 | WormFood | Kobaz, windows is in a generalized state for hardware, it booted just fine for me. |
| 03:21.10 | Kobaz | WormFood: heh, dd doesn't compress |
| 03:21.19 | WormFood | I didn't use dd |
| 03:21.28 | WormFood | I used bzip2 and netcat |
| 03:21.46 | Kobaz | ah |
| 03:21.48 | Kobaz | that works |
| 03:22.00 | Kobaz | i like rsync and -e arcfour |
| 03:22.08 | silvertip257 | bows out ... |
| 03:22.25 | TheSarge | silvertip257: Thx! |
| 03:22.32 | silvertip257 | no prob |
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| 03:22.54 | WormFood | interesting thing tho...I have 100 gig partition, already partitioned....I just copied the 30 gig partition from one machine to the other, and dropped it right on sda1, byte-per-byte....when I boot with my partition resize tool, it says the partition is 80 gig of space...I resize it and suddenly it is 15 gigs of space |
| 03:22.57 | TheSarge | is 80000kbits\sec same as 8000Kbit/s? |
| 03:23.05 | TheSarge | KB* |
| 03:23.11 | TheSarge | lol nm |
| 03:23.15 | silvertip257 | Kb != KB |
| 03:23.23 | silvertip257 | bit versus byte |
| 03:23.35 | Kobaz | i measure everything in kilonibbles per fortnight |
| 03:23.49 | silvertip257 | says whatever - I'm out |
| 03:23.57 | somiaj | 8 bits in a byte |
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| 03:24.05 | Kobaz | 4 bites in the nibble |
| 03:24.12 | Kobaz | bits |
| 03:24.21 | WormFood | not always...some bytes have 7 or 9 bits |
| 03:24.36 | WormFood | especially, on the wire |
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| 03:24.43 | Kobaz | WormFood: yeah depends on the arch/protocols |
| 03:24.46 | Kobaz | but in general, on x86 |
| 03:24.59 | WormFood | ancient PCs had 9 bits per byte...one bit was parity |
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| 03:28.01 | epaphus | Hey guys.. when I do last -n 10 .. what does this mean?reboot system boot 2.6.32-220.2.1.e Mon Mar 26 16:37 - 21:15 (04:38) there is a time range of 4 hours.. is it because the server took 4 hours to boot.. or uptime or what...? |
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| 03:30.50 | WormFood | epaphus, that is what it looks like to me |
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| 03:35.22 | Paulors | guys, there is a very usefull command to replace string withtin several files in a folder.. I can't remember the command name, but If I'm not mistaken the parameter is something like s/OldWord/NewWord/g |
| 03:35.34 | WormFood | sed |
| 03:35.40 | Paulors | Yey, thanks! |
| 03:36.12 | WormFood | and you did remember right |
| 03:36.44 | Paulors | the strange is that I remembered the parameter, not the command |
| 03:36.46 | WormFood | the 'g' means "global"...or all instances in a file, otherwise it will only replace the 1st instance in a file (which maybe what you want/need) |
| 03:36.57 | kd123 | I'm trying to build a wireless driver for my kernel, but I need a 'wireless-testing' kernel to compile my driver.... Where do I get this 'wireless-testing' kernel? |
| 03:37.12 | WormFood | I don't think so...our brans latch onto different things when it remembers something |
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| 03:37.19 | kd123 | Should I use the compat wireless kernel? |
| 03:37.20 | kd123 | Will that work with debian? |
| 03:37.22 | Paulors | $true. |
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| 03:38.02 | WormFood | kd123, perhaps it would be better to say what you want to accomplish....maybe there is a better way than what you're trying. |
| 03:38.27 | WormFood | trying to build a driver for what wireless? |
| 03:38.59 | kd123 | WormFood, well... I have an Airgo Networks Inc AGN300 802.11 a/b/g True MIMO Wireless Card... and there are no linux drivers for it |
| 03:39.29 | WormFood | so, you're writing your own drivers for it? |
| 03:39.36 | kd123 | But I found this driver someone made on sourceforge... http://sourceforge.net/projects/agnx80211driver/ .... and I need to compile it |
| 03:39.47 | WormFood | oh...so there is a driver for it? |
| 03:39.52 | kd123 | no I'm not that good :) |
| 03:39.59 | kd123 | Well not packaged in Debian |
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| 03:40.08 | kd123 | or the linux kernel I guess |
| 03:40.11 | WormFood | you say there is no driver, then you say there is a driver...make up your mind :P |
| 03:40.21 | WormFood | I know what you mean |
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| 03:40.27 | kd123 | sorry... I guess there is a driver :) |
| 03:40.46 | kd123 | I found this link... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-828460.html |
| 03:40.47 | WormFood | and you're using debian? stable? testing? |
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| 03:41.20 | kd123 | Someone else was trying to compile the driver too... and at the bottom of the page they say you need the 'wireless-testing kernel' |
| 03:41.21 | kd123 | squeeze |
| 03:41.21 | WormFood | that page is 4 years old |
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| 03:41.38 | kd123 | yeah It's an old card |
| 03:43.09 | kd123 | I'm thinking the 'wireless-testing kernel' is compat-wireless... but I'm not sure |
| 03:43.28 | WormFood | no idea |
| 03:43.37 | kd123 | and I tried searching for compat-wireless via aptitude... and it's not there |
| 03:43.45 | kd123 | WormFood, ok well thanks for the help :) |
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| 03:44.52 | Kobaz | well it's not context switches that;s killing me |
| 03:45.07 | kd123 | Does anyone know if compat-wireless is a kernel? or is it just a bunch of wifi drivers? |
| 03:45.37 | Crooks_mobile | drivers |
| 03:45.46 | Crooks_mobile | kernel module iirc |
| 03:45.56 | Crooks_mobile | err usually a module |
| 03:46.17 | the9a3eedi | Hi. After upgrading my packages, I noticed that xterm now uses a white background and a black foreground (which is the opposite of what I used to have). I googled around to check if I could make a config file, and I did.. and I could configure things like font size, but colors just don't seem to work. Has anyone else encountered this? |
| 03:46.38 | bonks | Hi, how can I install debian from a 256mb usb onto my harddrive? |
| 03:46.50 | kd123 | Crooks_mobile so there kernel modules? |
| 03:46.55 | kd123 | edit: they're |
| 03:46.57 | WormFood | the9a3eedi, you're saying everything works except the colors? |
| 03:47.24 | WormFood | bonks, maybe, but probably not. You can use it as a boot device for a network install |
| 03:47.34 | Crooks_mobile | kd123, i believe so |
| 03:47.49 | the9a3eedi | WormFood, well, I can change font size, which is how I know that the config file is being read. Not sure if _everything_ works |
| 03:47.54 | WormFood | and by "maybe", I mean if you custom made it with very small packages....I doubt you could actually get a functional system to install from a 256 meg flash drive |
| 03:47.54 | kd123 | Crooks_mobile... ok thanks |
| 03:48.04 | the9a3eedi | I'm currently suspecting .bash_rc |
| 03:48.07 | bonks | WormFood: the network installs are only for CDs right? |
| 03:48.11 | the9a3eedi | so I'll be looking at that now |
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| 03:48.31 | kd123 | I tried building the kernel module for my AirGo card via Debian linux source 2.6.32, but it was missing a header file |
| 03:48.32 | Kobaz | WormFood: i got knoppix 6.7 down to 159mb |
| 03:48.44 | kd123 | so I guess I need the 'wireless-testing kernel' |
| 03:48.50 | WormFood | bonks, huh? You can boot from anything for a network install. It simply fetches the packages you need from the internet |
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| 03:49.24 | Kobaz | bonks: if it's an iso, you can make a bootable usb out of it as well |
| 03:49.25 | bonks | WormFood: So do I just extract the .iso onto the flash drive and boot it? |
| 03:49.32 | the9a3eedi | I also noticed that xterm now sets the default directory to Documents.. (very annoying) |
| 03:49.42 | Kobaz | bonks: no |
| 03:49.48 | WormFood | Kobaz, not always. That tool only works on CDs that follow specific rules |
| 03:50.09 | Crooks_mobile | kd123, take a look around on kernel.org |
| 03:50.52 | Kobaz | bonks: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Installer-1.8.8.9.exe |
| 03:50.53 | kd123 | Crooks_mobile, ok that's a good idea... I'll do that |
| 03:50.59 | WormFood | bonks, you can copy the .iso to the flash device, like dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb and will usually work....if not, then run isohybrid on the .iso image |
| 03:51.13 | Kobaz | WormFood: yeah not always, but i've had good success |
| 03:51.50 | WormFood | the ISO images that work from a CD and a flash disk, most likely have been modified with 'isohybrid' program...really handy tool. |
| 03:51.56 | bonks | I will try Kobaz's link first since it's the quickest for me since I don't have a linux box |
| 03:52.04 | WormFood | that program will not make any iso bootable from a flash |
| 03:52.14 | Kobaz | WormFood: eh? |
| 03:52.22 | Kobaz | i use it all the time to have people burn knoppix isos |
| 03:52.53 | Kobaz | should be able to do a debian net install as well |
| 03:52.56 | Kobaz | i think that's in the list |
| 03:53.11 | WormFood | it should convert most linux bootable DVDs |
| 03:53.18 | Kobaz | cds too |
| 03:53.23 | WormFood | it won't make a dvd bootable from flash, if it uses floppy emulation |
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| 03:53.42 | Crooks_mobile | debootstrap install from within dsl or something |
| 03:53.46 | WormFood | and it won't work with a LOT of stuff....but, on the other hand, it also does work with a lot of stuff...just not everything |
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| 03:54.04 | bonks | I'll try it and let you guys know how it turns out |
| 03:54.07 | Rusty1 | unetbootin (windows version too) worth looking at |
| 03:54.08 | WormFood | I install linux with no flash, or cd or anything...I just boot straight up off the network. :D |
| 03:54.24 | Kobaz | WormFood: yeah that's always a nice setup |
| 03:54.24 | pipicli | Hi, is it nessecary to reboot after upgrading to fix DSA 2443-1? |
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| 03:54.48 | WormFood | check out the debian pxe install...real easy to make work, even if you have minimal experience in pxe |
| 03:55.17 | pipicli | necessary* |
| 03:55.18 | Kobaz | the universal usb installer works with a boatload of isos |
| 03:55.22 | Kobaz | it's really easy |
| 03:56.54 | WormFood | try to make winblows XPee installer boot from USB...that is no fun. |
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| 03:57.25 | pipicli | /var/run/reboot-required wasn't required, but I just wanted to make sure. |
| 03:57.36 | pipicli | I mean wasn't created. |
| 03:58.01 | Kobaz | my fs needs some butter |
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| 04:23.32 | fabio | hi |
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| 04:25.36 | jbrks | guessing lsusb can say if not then try using -v/-vv for more verbosity |
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| 04:38.05 | fabio | how to know what is the number of usb port of an device |
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| 04:51.05 | youlysses | Whats the state of the debian/hurd port? Id love to try it out on my old desktop! |
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| 05:29.25 | Lint | how can I pass my keyboard input as file? |
| 05:30.20 | youlysses | "text " > path/filename |
| 05:30.26 | youlysses | Like that? |
| 05:31.01 | Lint | no. |
| 05:31.11 | Lint | dynamic keyboard input |
| 05:32.08 | Lint | like con: in normal OSes |
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| 05:35.16 | youlysses | Define "normal OSes"... |
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| 05:38.42 | BenNZ | hi , trying to compile a kernel , 3.3 , follwing this guide , http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html , but i keep getting this error, debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:286: *** Cannot find lguest tools. , does anyone know what im doing wrong? |
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| 05:59.03 | withhheld_ | Which iso is x86_64(64 bit)? |
| 05:59.22 | Lint | how can I pass my _dynamic_ keyboard input as file? |
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| 06:19.54 | sammmy | Why is the deb command not found on my VPS? |
| 06:21.16 | WormFood | ask your vps provider |
| 06:21.27 | WormFood | are you sure they installed debian? |
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| 06:26.20 | rking | How do you keep a process from falling out into swap? I want it to have a bit of preference to stay in real RAM even when not in use. |
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| 06:30.56 | rking | My use case is how when you walk away from your computer and come back it takes programs a while to wake up. I want to add something to a "brb" script that will tell my web browser, etc., not to fall out of physical RAM until I come back. |
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| 06:32.02 | rking | Speaking of BRB, I've got to go, but thanks in advance if anyone answers after I leave. |
| 06:32.07 | pipicli | Lint, pass into what kind of program? Does it take stdin? If not you'll have to dump it into a file first |
| 06:32.34 | Lint | of course it doesn;t take stdin. and no, I cannot use plain file |
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| 06:32.59 | pipicli | Only other option is a named pipe I guess |
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| 06:34.36 | pipicli | Does that sound reasonable? Or you can't used named pipe's either? |
| 06:34.41 | usuario_ | olas |
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| 06:35.39 | Lint | pipicli, how? |
| 06:36.00 | pipicli | http://linux.die.net/man/1/mkfifo |
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| 06:36.24 | karlpinc | Lint: Use "script"? |
| 06:36.45 | Lint | so how can I type into this pipe? |
| 06:36.48 | pipicli | You write your "dynamic input" into the named pipe (which acts like a buffer), then you tell your program to read from that named pipe, which you reference like a normal filename |
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| 06:37.13 | pipicli | Do you have requirements on how you collect input? |
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| 06:37.25 | Lint | pipicli, and after program reads the pipe entirely, will it terminate or hang? |
| 06:37.29 | pipicli | I would make a bash script with a loop using "read", and echo the read variable into the pipe |
| 06:37.51 | pipicli | Depends how the program operates and what kind of "EOF" it's looking for |
| 06:37.56 | Lint | i need type input and print the output from screen |
| 06:37.58 | pipicli | if it attemps to seek, bad things might happen |
| 06:38.57 | karlpinc | Lint: Look at "script". |
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| 06:39.08 | Lint | so just echo "abc" >> pipe ? |
| 06:39.32 | pipicli | Something like that I guess |
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| 06:42.38 | sammmy | `screen -S minecraftscreen java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui` gives me "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check." Is this screen giving me this error? |
| 06:43.16 | Sm0ke0ut | you logged it to another user with su/sudo |
| 06:43.22 | Sm0ke0ut | try to login directly |
| 06:43.51 | valdyn | sammmy: yes the error is from screen |
| 06:44.02 | sammmy | valdyn: so what's the deal with screen? |
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| 06:44.21 | valdyn | sammmy: it needs direct access to your pts |
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| 06:45.22 | valdyn | sammmy: type "tty" in your terminal and you see the associated device node |
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| 06:45.35 | valdyn | sammmy: screen needs direct access to it |
| 06:46.30 | pipicli | Lint, I haven't tested this or anything, but http://pastebin.com/Z5J51bfD |
| 06:46.41 | pipicli | I made typo in first line |
| 06:46.50 | valdyn | sammmy: what Sm0ke0ut said is the most probable cause |
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| 06:49.03 | sammmy | Sm0ke0ut: You mean it's cause I su'd into my user account? |
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| 06:49.15 | Lint | bah it doesn't work; the program just finishes |
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| 06:49.27 | Lint | after first write in pipe |
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| 06:49.35 | Lint | and apparently never gets the input |
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| 06:50.11 | pipicli | piping might not hold the fifo open |
| 06:50.33 | valdyn | Lint: why are you not using script? |
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| 06:50.37 | sammmy | Okay. I SSHed directly into my account. But after running my command it appears as though nothing happened, other than "[screen is terminating]" |
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| 06:51.18 | valdyn | sammmy: screen terminates after the last program running in it terminates |
| 06:51.36 | valdyn | sammmy: you might want to run bash before you run your game server |
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| 06:51.51 | valdyn | sammmy: that way bash will keep screen open and you can see the error |
| 06:52.23 | Lint | valdyn, how can I? |
| 06:52.53 | valdyn | Lint: "apt-get install script", then run "typescript" |
| 06:53.10 | valdyn | Lint: i missed what you are actually trying to do, but i saw someone suggesting that |
| 06:53.37 | sammmy | valdyn: I thought I was running bash? |
| 06:54.00 | valdyn | sammmy: in screen? |
| 06:54.07 | Lint | valdyn, what will it do? |
| 06:54.41 | sammmy | valdyn: I was just running this command `screen -S minecraftscreen java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui` |
| 06:54.50 | valdyn | Lint: it will write a protocol of your shell in and output |
| 06:55.17 | valdyn | sammmy: youre running java. Not bash, in screen |
| 06:55.36 | Lint | hell I need just to represent my keyboard as file with a name so applications can block reading it!!! |
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| 06:56.19 | folivora | Gday, could someone point which is the difference main non-free and main contrib non-free ? |
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| 06:56.28 | valdyn | Lint: i dont understand what you want |
| 06:57.01 | Lint | I need to do keyboard input to a process which can only read files |
| 06:57.19 | valdyn | folivora: the missing contrib? |
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| 06:57.37 | valdyn | Lint: which program is that? |
| 06:57.47 | Lint | it's not important |
| 06:57.54 | sammmy | valdyn: Oh I see. I realized that my java command was returning "Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 06:57.54 | sammmy | Could not reserve enough space for object heap" How do I check how much memory my VPS has? |
| 06:58.09 | valdyn | sammmy: "free" |
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| 06:59.24 | folivora | valdyn: yes, but does contrib mean that that will contrib something to some survey or what? :) |
| 06:59.27 | valdyn | Lint: what is the syntax for that program to read files? |
| 06:59.37 | valdyn | folivora: no, its a package repository |
| 06:59.39 | Lint | program file |
| 06:59.52 | Lint | it doesn't take - |
| 07:00.07 | Lint | and doesn't do stdin |
| 07:00.14 | valdyn | folivora: non-free contains non-free, thats easy. main contains plain free software |
| 07:00.37 | valdyn | folivora: contrib contains free software that has the issue of needing non-free to make sense or to be usable |
| 07:01.16 | folivora | valdyn: ok, so which is the optimal... with or without contrib ? |
| 07:01.24 | valdyn | folivora: typically free installers for non-free software are in contrib |
| 07:01.41 | folivora | kk |
| 07:01.44 | valdyn | folivora: optimal for what? |
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| 07:01.56 | folivora | I am just confused about this contrib thing :p |
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| 07:03.13 | Lint | hell is there something like con: in linux? |
| 07:03.44 | valdyn | Lint: ok: "mkfifo myfifo"; program myfifo &; cat > myfifo |
| 07:04.11 | Lint | valdyn, ... and the app will get EOF. |
| 07:04.26 | valdyn | Lint: when you hit ctrl-c |
| 07:04.45 | Lint | valdyn, no, reading ends after first cat |
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| 07:04.51 | lewellyn | you mean cat < myfifo? |
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| 07:05.01 | valdyn | lewellyn: no I dont |
| 07:05.02 | lewellyn | oh. you mean to write to |
| 07:05.15 | pipicli | Lint what does "first cat" mean? |
| 07:05.15 | valdyn | Lint: what is a "first cat" |
| 07:05.23 | pipicli | Do you mean after you press enter once? |
| 07:05.32 | Lint | first cat call |
| 07:05.37 | pipicli | It only calls cat once |
| 07:05.44 | valdyn | Lint: cat is only done once |
| 07:06.11 | Lint | yes. and immediately after the reading stops |
| 07:06.20 | valdyn | Lint: it doesnt "stop" |
| 07:06.27 | valdyn | Lint: unless you hit ctrl-c |
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| 07:06.48 | Lint | it does stop, and the program reading from myfifo terminates |
| 07:07.24 | valdyn | Lint: why are you trying to argue this? |
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| 07:07.45 | Lint | because that is an actual behavior I observe |
| 07:07.47 | valdyn | Lint: you better try it and paste a log on a pastebin |
| 07:08.02 | valdyn | Lint: then youre keeping something secret that is very important |
| 07:08.25 | valdyn | Lint: *I* just tried this, it works as I intended it to work |
| 07:08.32 | pipicli | It should work, yes I tried it too: http://dpaste.com/722028/ |
| 07:09.04 | pipicli | inputted "a\n" then "b\n" then "c\n" |
| 07:09.48 | pipicli | It's hard to say what's going on without knowing what your program is doing |
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| 07:13.29 | Lint | cool, now I got it |
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| 07:15.13 | pipicli | Cool |
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| 07:17.10 | fasta | How do I permanently disable the feature where the keypad is used as a mouse? |
| 07:17.27 | fasta | During normal usage it is enabled, but I have no idea why. |
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| 07:20.55 | myst1c_ | running debian squeeze and attempting to get a wireless xbox 360 controller to work with it. Unable to find a reliable guide with working links and/or packages thus far. Can anybody suggest a good tutorial or help me to accomplish this? |
| 07:21.30 | youlysses | Though usb, or the wireless dongle? |
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| 07:27.36 | samantha-c- | okay we are closer. two of three monitors on. let's see if we can get them WORKING too. |
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| 07:33.09 | himmelstrutz | does anyone understand why this keep happening to my wifi connection: "Mar 27 09:27:07 X kernel: [ 5841.500036] No probe response from AP XXX after 500ms, disconnecting." - for more logs: http://pastebin.com/V63CHaVv |
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| 07:34.48 | himmelstrutz | actually, I get a connection, but then it disconnects after just some seconds. |
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| 07:55.47 | samantha-c- | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. wtf? where is this authorization (that a few edits ago wasn't a problem)? |
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| 08:01.13 | OldManMagnus | hi. i'm running debian squeeze and it just told me to apt-get autoremove a whole bunch of stuff. i did so and now the icon that brings up wifi connections has disapeared from my toolbar. has this happened to anyone else? |
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| 08:02.30 | OldManMagnus | it's pretty annoying because now i can't connect to the internet. |
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| 08:03.53 | Lint | OldManMagnus, what type of connection did you use? |
| 08:04.00 | OldManMagnus | it was wifi. |
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| 08:04.17 | njduuw | "don't autoremove if you dont know what youre doing!" XD |
| 08:04.34 | OldManMagnus | but the icon was the one that handled both wired and wifi connections. |
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| 08:05.02 | ed8 | hi, how do I configure a per account locale ? |
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| 08:06.09 | tralala | ed8, in the relevant user init files, e.g. .bashrc |
| 08:07.08 | tralala | alternatively GDM in squeeze remembers the settings selected by the user at login |
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| 08:07.49 | OldManMagnus | i thought autoremove was for packages that are no longer required. |
| 08:07.55 | OldManMagnus | bit annoying. |
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| 08:12.02 | ed8 | tralala: I put : unset LC_MESSAGES, export LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" and export LC_CTYPE="fr_FR.UTF-8" in my ~/.bashrc |
| 08:12.10 | ed8 | but still got message in french |
| 08:12.38 | DelTree | what about $LANG ? |
| 08:12.39 | ed8 | when I run the command 'locale', I got : LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 08:12.50 | ed8 | fr_FR.UTF-8 |
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| 08:13.21 | HeXiLeD | are there any know issues upgrading from debian 5.* to Debian6.0.4 ? can one safely add new /etc/apt/sources.lst and take it from there? |
| 08:13.31 | DelTree | $LANG is stronger than $LC_* iirc... |
| 08:14.04 | ksk | !tell HeXiLeD about lenny->squeeze |
| 08:14.20 | DelTree | never even uses LC_*, which is bad... |
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| 08:14.35 | ksk | its "kinda safe" but be sure to have a backup (as always...) |
| 08:14.46 | HeXiLeD | it's a remote vps ... |
| 08:14.50 | ed8 | DelTree: just had LANG=en_US.UTF-8 logout, log back, 'locale' say i'm using LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but still message in french |
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| 08:14.52 | HeXiLeD | cant afford mistake |
| 08:15.01 | tralala | ed8, a) use LANG; b) perhaps .bashrc is not the right file |
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| 08:15.39 | ed8 | I'm using a debian squeeze 6.0.4 |
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| 08:16.05 | tralala | there is also .bash_profile, .profile and what not... I can't remember which one is executed when |
| 08:16.45 | ksk | see .dotfiles in debian wiki :) |
| 08:16.47 | tralala | see man bash for an explanation about init files |
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| 08:17.12 | DelTree | that's over one full page in the manual to know exactly which file is executed when by bash... ^_^ |
| 08:17.31 | ksk | DelTree: what i said |
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| 08:18.18 | fredl | hi folks. I just had a system crash of my old system. Replaced it with a new one and now trying to salvage some stuff on the (LVM2) disk of the old system |
| 08:18.54 | fredl | I've activated the volumes on the disk with vgchange -ay --partial |
| 08:19.01 | ed8 | tralala: don't have .bash_profile |
| 08:19.39 | fredl | with lvscan I see all the old LVM2 volumes, they're all active. |
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| 08:20.41 | tralala | ed8, create it |
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| 08:21.10 | fredl | however, some disks that were in the LVM2 volumes I can no longer connect to the new computer (IDE) |
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| 08:21.24 | vdonnef | hi, is there someone here familiar with python package creation?? |
| 08:21.42 | fredl | is there any way to salvage some files using only the data on the one disk? |
| 08:22.01 | ed8 | see my config: http://pastebin.com/6k7eV6gb tralala DelTree |
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| 08:23.20 | tralala | ed8, are you trying to keep everything in French while having the messages in English? |
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| 08:25.18 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I have a lenny server running, 5.0.9. Is htop package not available? |
| 08:25.41 | valdyn | judd: versions htop |
| 08:25.42 | judd | Package: htop on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1; squeeze: 0.8.3-1; sid: 1.0.1-1; wheezy: 1.0.1-1 |
| 08:25.43 | ed8 | tralala: yep |
| 08:26.28 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, when I did apt-cache policy htop, I get a reply saying unable to locate package |
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| 08:27.44 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: show us your sources.list file |
| 08:27.54 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, am on amd64 |
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| 08:28.43 | ansgar | arvind_khadri: Lenny is dead and no longer on the mirrors. |
| 08:29.10 | DelTree | lenny not on the mirrors ? |
| 08:29.19 | arvind_khadri | ansgar, Oh freak. |
| 08:29.30 | ansgar | arvind_khadri: You should upgrade to Squeeze and subscribe to relevant mailing lists (at least debian-security-announce) |
| 08:29.38 | Seb | ansgar: whut ? |
| 08:29.40 | DelTree | security.debian.org no longer updates for lenny... but i'm not sure it has been removed from the mirrors... |
| 08:29.57 | Seb | oh hrm heh, s/lenny/squeeze/ :) |
| 08:30.10 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: lenny is on some mirrors, but the place changed |
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| 08:30.25 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free that is the only line I have |
| 08:30.32 | arvind_khadri | ansgar, thanks :) |
| 08:30.37 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: ok, that line links to nothing now |
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| 08:31.11 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: replace /debian/ with /debian-archive/debian/ |
| 08:31.11 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, I see, any active mirrors you know? |
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| 08:31.58 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: hmm, your current mirror should be fine, but it does not have lenny yet |
| 08:32.48 | ed8 | tralala: Indeed, I'm trying to keep everything in French while having the messages in English, so what ? |
| 08:32.56 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive/debian works fine as far as i can see, if thats close to you |
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| 08:33.18 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, Oh ok. will try that. :) |
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| 08:35.11 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, thanks, that worked |
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| 08:39.26 | tralala | ed8, unset LANG |
| 08:39.57 | Lint | ed8, set LC_MESSAGES to C |
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| 08:41.01 | ed8 | but where ? |
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| 08:41.31 | valdyn | ed8: probably /etc/environment |
| 08:42.44 | ed8 | tralala: Lint try unset LANG and LC_MESSAGES="C" got the correct 'locale' output but message still in french |
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| 08:44.26 | ed8 | Lint: yours advices plus the one from valdyn and it's working :) |
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| 08:44.36 | stephan48 | is there somewhere a list of mirrors still providing lenny repos? |
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| 08:45.22 | valdyn | stephan48: even the mirrors that should have it (debian-archive mirrors) do not all have it yet |
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| 08:47.02 | ur_mom | hi |
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| 08:47.16 | ur_mom | it is your mom |
| 08:47.30 | ur_mom | your stupid dat mommy |
| 08:47.32 | BeastNZ | cool story |
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| 08:47.57 | ed8 | Lint: I tried en_US.UTF-8 instead of "C" and it's not working, I don't get why it's a valid locale name |
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| 08:48.02 | BeastNZ | russians always have the worse jokes |
| 08:48.07 | BeastNZ | so... old.. school |
| 08:48.24 | ur_mom | worse? |
| 08:48.27 | ur_mom | hmm |
| 08:48.33 | ur_mom | I don't think so |
| 08:48.35 | valdyn | ed8: locales need to be generated before they can be used, except for "C" or "POSIX" |
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| 08:48.56 | valdyn | ed8: or you can just install locales-all, which isnt big either |
| 08:49.02 | BeastNZ | ur_mom, dont 4get ur IP shows fully when u enter channels on this irc |
| 08:49.07 | BeastNZ | so becareful who you piss off |
| 08:49.11 | ed8 | valdyn: I believe I generated both fr_FR.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8. |
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| 08:49.49 | ed8 | valdyn: yep, both are uncommented in /etc/locale.gen |
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| 09:05.38 | dimir | archive.debian.org down? |
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| 09:09.01 | valdyn | dimir: http://downforallorjustme.com/ |
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| 09:09.40 | valdyn | hmm, that site is broken for me too |
| 09:09.45 | vdonnef | what's wrong when I have dh_pysupport: Cannot detect default Python version ???? :( |
| 09:10.00 | infinus | having problems with debian apt-getting the new kernel http://pastebin.com/jr80uNYP |
| 09:10.18 | valdyn | dimir: it probably is due to the overload of lenny having moved there |
| 09:10.49 | scientes | infinus, ntpdate |
| 09:10.57 | valdyn | dimir: is lenny why you need it? |
| 09:10.58 | scientes | infinus, your clock is set back |
| 09:12.15 | valdyn | scientes: but thats not his real problem.. |
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| 09:13.49 | infinus | thanks scientes, I'll try that |
| 09:14.47 | scientes | infinus, note what valdyn said |
| 09:15.18 | valdyn | infinus: and fix your clock anyway please |
| 09:15.20 | infinus | what's the real problem? |
| 09:15.23 | infinus | ok |
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| 09:15.41 | valdyn | infinus: line 141 is |
| 09:15.56 | jelly | infinus: pastebin your /boot/grub/device.map, and the output of "pvdisplay" |
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| 09:16.23 | infinus | this install is running inside a vm, fyi |
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| 09:16.36 | scientes | ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org will fix your clock |
| 09:17.03 | jelly | infinus: also, running that "aptitude -f install" removed some of the packages you might to might not need, lines 173-195 |
| 09:17.28 | infinus | I can restore a snapshot to before I did that |
| 09:17.34 | infinus | I'll do that now |
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| 09:19.24 | infinus_ | ok, restored to snapshot right before initially trying to update |
| 09:19.29 | infinus_ | installing ntpdate now |
| 09:19.49 | valdyn | infinus_: the clock should be fixed on the host system probably |
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| 09:20.06 | scientes | clocks in VMs are a horrible mess |
| 09:20.31 | scientes | while it will be set correctly at boot-up, there is ofter a hell of alot of drift |
| 09:20.45 | scientes | i guess reading time from the hwclock (emulated) would also work , from the host |
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| 09:20.50 | scientes | and yes, the host could be screwed up |
| 09:21.02 | jelly | depends on the VM solution. ntpd works just fine in ESX4 / vSphere, here |
| 09:21.24 | scientes | yes, it works, but it shouldn't be neccicary |
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| 09:21.29 | scientes | and you still get alot of drift |
| 09:21.34 | scientes | that can cause problems for certainly apps |
| 09:21.39 | valdyn | ntpd jsut fixes drift |
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| 09:21.47 | scientes | but there is jitter |
| 09:21.52 | scientes | its not just a regular drift |
| 09:21.57 | jelly | it's necessarry even for physical machines, I don't see why VMs would be an exception |
| 09:22.03 | scientes | anyways, alot of people have problems with time in VMs |
| 09:22.36 | scientes | jelly, well, its redundant to keep the same timer in two palces |
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| 09:23.12 | jelly | obviously not redundant enough! |
| 09:23.21 | scientes | nono thats not the problem |
| 09:23.27 | scientes | redundancy != accuracy |
| 09:23.54 | jelly | yeah, ok, we're talking about DAYS not microseconds |
| 09:24.12 | scientes | and timer on hosts don't have problems with days |
| 09:24.20 | scientes | and neither do VMs either |
| 09:24.31 | jelly | infinus' does. |
| 09:24.34 | scientes | some software requires milisecond type stuff |
| 09:24.37 | scientes | well that is differn't |
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| 09:24.48 | infinus | jelly, working on that pastebin for you |
| 09:24.48 | ed8 | when editing /etc/sudoers, instead of writing '/usr/sbin/service' can I just put 'service' ? |
| 09:24.52 | dimir | valdyn: yep. I needed some older gcc. |
| 09:24.53 | scientes | but from what i've seen you can end up with that from very heavy VM clock drift |
| 09:24.58 | scientes | which would never happen in a host |
| 09:25.04 | jelly | ed8: no, use the full path |
| 09:25.23 | ed8 | jelly: yep just think it could be override with alias |
| 09:25.24 | valdyn | dimir: http://ftp.de.debian.org has lenny in debian-archive |
| 09:25.27 | scientes | but more likely it was resumed from a suspend |
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| 09:25.34 | scientes | and the VM has no idea it was suspended |
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| 09:25.49 | dimir | valdyn: oh, great, thanks! |
| 09:26.35 | jelly | scientes: I've had hosts drift 40+ minutes if left unchecked |
| 09:27.01 | jelly | physical hardware can have shitty clocks as well |
| 09:27.06 | infinus | http://pastebin.com/fkKXfk4j |
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| 09:27.20 | infinus | woops wait |
| 09:27.30 | scientes | jelly, no, physical machines use the CPU clock while running, which is generally very good |
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| 09:27.45 | grifx | hi all |
| 09:27.49 | scientes | much better than a quartz crystal |
| 09:27.50 | infinus | http://pastebin.com/fkKXfk4J |
| 09:28.03 | grifx | I want to quit su mode to be as grifx user |
| 09:28.20 | valdyn | grifx: type "exit" |
| 09:28.20 | grifx | How can I do that ? |
| 09:28.21 | grifx | ok |
| 09:28.37 | scientes | grifx, if you used su or sudo, exit |
| 09:28.54 | scientes | otherwise, use su <username> |
| 09:28.55 | grifx | thanks valdyn and scientes |
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| 09:29.42 | valdyn | infinus_: add sdb |
| 09:29.47 | jelly | infinus, http://pastebin.com/fkKXfk4j looks empty from here. Try http://paste.debian.net/ (also, it has less ads) |
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| 09:31.16 | infinus | sorry jelly, I copied it worng, the address is http://pastebin.com/fkKXfk4J |
| 09:31.33 | jelly | infinus: I have no idea why grub would whine about "PV" then. Do you have a separate /boot? |
| 09:31.38 | Pricey | I don't seem to be able to reach archive.debian.org and none of the archive mirrors I've looked at have synced it yet. Any ideas? |
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| 09:32.04 | scientes | Pricey, there are no published mirrors of archive.debian.org |
| 09:32.18 | valdyn | Pricey: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive |
| 09:32.19 | infinus | jelly, when I installed I chose to install lvm with separated /boot, among other things |
| 09:32.26 | scientes | oo guess not |
| 09:32.51 | valdyn | infinus_: add sdb to your device.map |
| 09:33.03 | infinus | how? |
| 09:33.04 | Pricey | scientes: There are... see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive#old-archive |
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| 09:33.09 | infinus | sec |
| 09:33.12 | infinus | nm I'll figure it out |
| 09:33.17 | valdyn | infinus_: (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 09:33.26 | scientes | i was thinking about the mega-archive |
| 09:33.27 | Pricey | valdyn: Lenny!! Thanks very much :-) |
| 09:33.32 | scientes | that keeps every version ever released |
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| 09:33.50 | Pricey | (I found all of the archives, but not all had updated to lenny!) |
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| 09:34.05 | infinus | valdyn: done that |
| 09:34.21 | CFS-MP3 | Surely a hot topic but... is archive.debian.org down? |
| 09:34.22 | infinus | what now? |
| 09:34.27 | ed8 | I got issue running a script despite my modification to the /etc/sudoers. Here is my config: http://pastebin.com/4WkiN9rX |
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| 09:34.54 | infinus | run through the update? |
| 09:35.06 | ed8 | I add some privileges to my user, rewrite my script to use full path command so it match sudoers rules |
| 09:35.18 | valdyn | dpkg: ab is <reply>If http://archive.debian.org/ is still down you can use http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive to get lenny packages. |
| 09:35.18 | dpkg | ...but ab is already something else... |
| 09:35.30 | valdyn | dpkg: archivedown is <reply>If http://archive.debian.org/ is still down you can use http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive to get lenny packages. |
| 09:35.31 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 09:35.48 | valdyn | CFS-MP3: ^^ |
| 09:36.38 | sephii | any recommendation for a font viewer? |
| 09:36.54 | valdyn | sephii: waterfall |
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| 09:37.12 | valdyn | sephii: err, gwaterfall |
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| 09:37.19 | gnarface | just uses gimp |
| 09:37.50 | gnarface | uses gimp for many things that one shouldn't. |
| 09:38.26 | Lint | ed8, you cannot run scripts via sudo |
| 09:38.45 | valdyn | Lint: you got that wrong |
| 09:38.46 | sephii | I'll change my question: any recommendation for a font viewer that doesn't need to have the font installed on the system but allows you to just open the font file? |
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| 09:39.38 | gnarface | sephii: there's a .directory in your home somewhere you can drop them and gimp will see them |
| 09:39.44 | gnarface | sephii: probably other gtk programs too |
| 09:39.49 | gnarface | sephii: tryign to find it now |
| 09:39.53 | sephii | nevermind, I just copied it in my .fonts dir, thanks for the suggestions :) |
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| 09:40.05 | gnarface | sephii: ah you found it |
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| 09:40.13 | scientes | ^^^.fonts |
| 09:40.21 | sephii | gnarface: that was pretty straightforward :) |
| 09:40.37 | Pricey | valdyn: arrrgh its not fully synced :-) Ah well, I guess I'll just have to wait for archive.debian.org to come up or the archive mirrors to sort themselves out. Thanks very much for your help though :-) |
| 09:40.42 | gnarface | sephii: i thought it was somewhere else for some reason, like ./.local/fonts or something |
| 09:40.58 | valdyn | Pricey: good to know |
| 09:41.18 | Pricey | I assume the latter won't happen without the former... |
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| 09:41.36 | valdyn | dpkg: no, archivedown is <reply>If http://archive.debian.org/ is still down you can use http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive to get some lenny packages, but it is not fully synced yet. |
| 09:41.37 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 09:42.05 | reactor | hello? |
| 09:42.07 | valdyn | Pricey: apt-get update works on it? |
| 09:42.22 | themill | valdyn: what's wrong with archive.d.o? |
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| 09:42.29 | gnarface | reactor: hello isn't a question. |
| 09:42.36 | reactor | is there a way to pull resolvconf to a machine? |
| 09:42.49 | infinus | valdyn, jelly, looks like it's working now |
| 09:42.51 | valdyn | themill: nothing anymore, its back up now |
| 09:42.57 | gnarface | reactor: that's a really confusing way to ask that, but i think you want dhcpcd |
| 09:42.57 | reactor | I mean, I got screwed by package management |
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| 09:43.08 | ed8 | Lint: so I should I do then ? |
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| 09:43.14 | gnarface | reactor: define "screwed" |
| 09:43.15 | valdyn | dpkg: forget archivedown |
| 09:43.16 | dpkg | valdyn: i forgot archivedown |
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| 09:43.53 | Pricey | valdyn: Sure, but not all of the packages are there. For example there's no screen: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/s/screen/ |
| 09:43.54 | gnarface | reactor: if you want to reinstall resolvconf you can purge it and install it again, or you could just force-reinstall. i recommend reading the apt-get manpage... |
| 09:43.55 | reactor | well, I tried removing network0manager, now resolvconf seems to have gone with it, and I can't even get routing to work |
| 09:43.58 | valdyn | themill: looks to me like it was just "down" for half an hour or somesuch |
| 09:44.00 | reactor | s/0/-/ |
| 09:44.10 | infinus | reactor you mean pull off or pull to |
| 09:44.10 | infinus | try rsync |
| 09:44.11 | gnarface | reactor: did you try apt-get install resolvconf? |
| 09:44.31 | reactor | I mean, I can't get it to install, at all |
| 09:44.38 | gnarface | reactor: so we're clear here; are you talking about the software package "resolvconf" or your configuration file, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:44.40 | themill | valdyn: sometimes I think we should only have it up for 30min per week to make people realise they should be running supported releases... |
| 09:44.52 | reactor | because nor hostname resolution nor routing are functioning |
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| 09:45.03 | reactor | the package, gnarface |
| 09:45.15 | infinus | jelly , valdyn: thank you - all is working |
| 09:45.28 | valdyn | themill: yea |
| 09:45.28 | gnarface | reactor: you can construct /etc/resolv.conf manually. it has a very simple format also documented in a man page |
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| 09:45.44 | reactor | gnarface, the package is gone |
| 09:45.51 | gnarface | reactor: you don't need it, strictly speaking. |
| 09:46.02 | reactor | hmm |
| 09:46.05 | themill | is sad at how many people have been coming in the last few days asking "what happened to lenny" |
| 09:46.14 | reactor | a second |
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| 09:46.23 | reactor | going to try it |
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| 09:46.30 | gnarface | reactor: all it does is allow you to transpose the contents of /etc/resolv.conf into your /etc/network/interfaces file. however, since you uninstalled network-manager you may also be missing a proper /etc/network/interfaces... you'll want to check both |
| 09:46.31 | valdyn | rackspace is still on lenny, thats one large hoster I think |
| 09:46.48 | Pricey | themill: I think we realise that well enough with the whole, having to change sources.list thing. |
| 09:47.03 | gnarface | rackspace isn't the only one |
| 09:47.11 | gnarface | fucking softlayer too. probably dozens of others |
| 09:47.35 | balboah | anyone experienced all files being created with uid 4294967294 on a nfs mount? |
| 09:47.49 | gnarface | they've loaded up their lenny pre-installs with a bunch of java bloatware that amounts to remote rootkits basically. lenny will probably live on for decades because they won't do the work over |
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| 09:47.59 | reactor | okay |
| 09:48.03 | themill | Pricey: it's not like it's news though... people are obviously only paying attention to these boxes when apt starts shouting that the release has been pulled from the mirrors. At least lenny was removed from mirrors only a few weeks after it went EOL; etch was there for months still |
| 09:48.13 | reactor | so I added the nameserver entry |
| 09:48.40 | reactor | but the other prob is, ifconfig eth0 gateway 192.168.0.254 returns "hostname lookup failure" |
| 09:49.01 | reactor | nor does it work with my entry from hosts |
| 09:49.09 | gnarface | reactor: and the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 09:49.10 | themill | gnarface: hosters who are doing xen on RHEL 5 have a difficult problem though |
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| 09:49.26 | reactor | gnarface, they're aight, I checke |
| 09:49.27 | reactor | d |
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| 09:49.31 | valdyn | reactor: ifconfig doesnt do what you think it does |
| 09:49.45 | reactor | oh |
| 09:50.08 | reactor | damn, I forgot I haven't set the bridge yet |
| 09:50.10 | reactor | sorry |
| 09:50.18 | gnarface | rolls his eyes. |
| 09:50.21 | valdyn | reactor: you wanted "route add default gw 192.168.0.254", maybe |
| 09:50.30 | reactor | yep |
| 09:50.32 | reactor | a sec |
| 09:50.43 | reactor | my interfaces file was wrong |
| 09:51.19 | gnarface | themill: no doubt. i have little sympathy for them having painted themselves into corners even *i* would have seen coming a mile away though |
| 09:51.47 | gnarface | themill: additionally, i'm not sure in all instances i've run into this that there was a xen backend to blame |
| 09:51.52 | Pricey | themill: meh, its the admin's responsibility whether they want it or not, eol's are published clearly. Seen as 'debian' offers the archives anyway, its a little annoying when anything goes down. |
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| 09:52.27 | themill | Pricey: these boxes are clearly not responsibly administered, however. That scares me. |
| 09:52.33 | reactor | thanks guys, I have sorted the mess out |
| 09:52.40 | gnarface | hooraay |
| 09:53.00 | themill | gnarface: ish. it's all udev's fault, really, and the hosters can't really do much about that. |
| 09:53.09 | reactor | there really was a prob with interfaces file and I also needed to do route default add |
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| 09:53.36 | infinus | valdyn, reactor, yes I thought it was strange that ifconfig didn't allow you to add a default route |
| 09:54.00 | themill | that's one of the reasons ip > ifconfig |
| 09:54.11 | scientes | ip >>>>> ifconfig |
| 09:54.21 | scientes | i ONLY use ip |
| 09:54.23 | infinus | ip is another command? |
| 09:54.39 | scientes | ifconfig is considered deprecated |
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| 09:54.53 | reactor | hmm |
| 09:54.53 | valdyn | as is route |
| 09:55.05 | valdyn | but that doesnt mean that any is broken right now |
| 09:55.09 | reactor | so, do I have to add route addd default gw to somewhere? |
| 09:55.17 | reactor | s/ddd/dd/ |
| 09:55.20 | themill | infinus: in the iproute package; "ip a", "ip r" for example. |
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| 09:55.23 | valdyn | reactor: thats the "gateway" in interfaces |
| 09:55.26 | scientes | yes, they work, and will continue to work indefinitely |
| 09:55.32 | infinus | excellent, I'll man ip right now |
| 09:55.39 | scientes | but ip is alot easier and better |
| 09:55.45 | scientes | and i never bothered to learn the older ones |
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| 09:57.02 | reactor | valdyn, yes |
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| 10:01.06 | infinus | who uses duckduckgo instead of google? |
| 10:01.17 | sephii | infinus: i do |
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| 10:03.11 | infinus | nice |
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| 10:07.29 | ed8 | I need to run a tomcat6 with my own user, I had ajlsm ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/share/tomcat6/bin/shutdown.sh,/usr/share/tomcat6/bin/startup.sh but still no luck |
| 10:08.16 | ed8 | I put that in /etc/sudoers |
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| 10:09.00 | BenNZ | ed8: why not change the permissions of the file to allow your user/group |
| 10:09.21 | sephii | infinus: are you working for google and nuking every users' computer who uses duckduckgo? |
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| 10:12.53 | ed8 | infinus: me too, but what's the relation to debian ? |
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| 10:14.03 | lewellyn | haha. no answer for you two ;) |
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| 10:16.01 | ed8 | BenNZ: cause I will need to do that every time I deploy a new apps and it's pretty annoying and time consuming |
| 10:16.32 | sephii | damn he totally owned us |
| 10:16.57 | lewellyn | ed8: tomcat doesn't support hot deploy yet? :/ |
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| 10:19.17 | ed8 | lewellyn: don't know, but our apps are filesystem we copy to the server |
| 10:19.50 | lewellyn | yeah. many app servers will hot deploy when they detect that a webapp has changed |
| 10:19.51 | ed8 | tomcat is supposed to write some log into the apps folder, but doesn't have the right to do so. |
| 10:20.02 | BenNZ | ed8: ok , you could set a command alias in sudoers |
| 10:20.23 | lewellyn | is trying to help avoid the need for sudo at all, is all :) |
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| 10:20.49 | ed8 | one solution would be to chgrp the apps to be part of tomcat, but doing this everytime we add an apps is annoying |
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| 10:21.11 | ed8 | lewellyn: I'm already using suoders |
| 10:21.12 | BenNZ | ed8: less annoying then editing sudoers everytime? |
| 10:21.58 | ed8 | I got that in nmy /etc/sudoers: myuser ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/share/tomcat6/bin/shutdown.sh,/usr/share/tomcat6/bin/startup.sh |
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| 10:23.17 | BenNZ | ed8: i meant adding Cmnd_Alias SHUTDOWN=/usr/share/tomcat6/bin/shutdown.sh , and myuser ALL=NOPASSWD:SHUTDOWN |
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| 10:25.16 | ed8 | we have only one user to manage the apps, customers won't |
| 10:25.49 | BenNZ | ed8: dont see the point in sudo then |
| 10:25.50 | ed8 | BenNZ: I reckon that's exactly the same |
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| 10:26.50 | BenNZ | anyway brb |
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| 10:29.16 | ed8 | Can't I just edit the init script for tomcat ? |
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| 10:30.18 | ed8 | there is a TOMCAT6_USER and TOMCAT6_GROUP on /etc/init.d/tomcat6 but changing them doesn't change the owner, it's strange |
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| 10:37.22 | nocturnal | is it common that one has to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules when replacing your motherboard? |
| 10:37.32 | nocturnal | I've never even seen this file before today when we had to replace two MB's |
| 10:37.41 | nocturnal | I did not expect this |
| 10:38.13 | nocturnal | I've deleted and re-added hundreds of intel and vmxnet cards in vmware for example, and debian never complained. |
| 10:38.17 | nocturnal | so this caught me off guard |
| 10:38.44 | ksk | in general: yes you have to edit udev rules, if you replace some stuff (eg network card, which is 70-persistent-net.rules) |
| 10:39.03 | nocturnal | but how come I can delete the intel card and add a vmxnet card in vmware without even editing the interfaces file? |
| 10:39.07 | nocturnal | it just keeps going on eth0 |
| 10:39.15 | ksk | dunno :P |
| 10:39.16 | nocturnal | after a reboot of course |
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| 10:39.54 | nocturnal | this is something I do often seeing as debian does not have vmxnet driver by default, so unless there's a template vm I often setup debian with an intel card, then install vmxnet driver, shutdown, remove intel card, add vmxnet card. start up. done |
| 10:40.12 | nocturnal | which would be tantamount to replacing the mb with integrated nics |
| 10:40.32 | nocturnal | which is what happened in this situation, the whole MB was replaced with integrated broadcom nics. |
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| 10:42.14 | Harzilein | this is not exactly debian-related, but do you know of a way to have windows stop treating the kvm nics as removable devices? |
| 10:42.21 | ChrisH | nocturnal: I had the different seen in VirtualBox... there I needed to change the file. BTW, other unix (like SOlaris) have a similar mechanism to map HW to devicefiles |
| 10:44.37 | Sevet | is there any reason the ipvsadm source package doesn't package the libipvs shared library? |
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| 10:47.49 | nocturnal | ChrisH: interesting. |
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| 10:58.03 | helight | hi all, my evolution can't run on my wheezy, |
| 10:58.06 | helight | helight@zhwen:~/Mail$ evolution |
| 10:58.08 | helight | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 10:58.08 | helight | Segmentation fault |
| 10:58.08 | helight | helight@zhwen:~/Mail$ |
| 10:58.18 | helight | this is the error msg |
| 10:58.41 | helight | is that a bug? |
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| 10:59.34 | helight | helight@zhwen:~/Mail$ evolution-settings |
| 10:59.35 | helight | (evolution-settings:9391): e-utils-WARNING **: (e-config.c:455):ec_assistant_find_page: runtime check failed: (ii < n_pages) |
| 10:59.35 | helight | Segmentation fault |
| 10:59.35 | helight | helight@zhwen:~/Mail$ |
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| 10:59.43 | ChrisH | helight: I asked google: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". debian and get lots of sugestions.. |
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| 11:05.19 | valdyn | gtk3 needs glx |
| 11:05.25 | valdyn | thats somewhat new |
| 11:05.34 | mekeor | any ideas why i get 'lost connection' when i try to upload a file from my debian computer to my debian server (after typing the password)? |
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| 11:06.04 | valdyn | mekeor: whats between those 2 computers? |
| 11:06.06 | mekeor | ssh works, btw. scp doesnt. |
| 11:06.10 | mekeor | valdyn: internet. |
| 11:06.23 | valdyn | mekeor: i blame your broken router then |
| 11:06.35 | mekeor | ? oO |
| 11:06.56 | mekeor | valdyn: the router of my server or the router of my personal computer? |
| 11:07.20 | valdyn | mekeor: which one is more likely to be broken? |
| 11:07.33 | mekeor | bah. idk. |
| 11:08.08 | koisoke | mekeor: can you scp to the debian server from anywhere? |
| 11:08.18 | dhbiker | hi there guys ... umm i have one problem, |
| 11:08.26 | mekeor | koisoke: how do you mean? |
| 11:08.30 | dhbiker | fusion-icon doesnt want to install/uninstall |
| 11:08.41 | dhbiker | like i get the package error every single time |
| 11:08.43 | dhbiker | :/ |
| 11:09.00 | valdyn | dhbiker: on which debian release? |
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| 11:09.06 | dhbiker | squeeze |
| 11:09.11 | koisoke | mekeor: can you even scp to the debian server from itself? |
| 11:09.12 | valdyn | judd: versions fusion-icon |
| 11:09.13 | judd | Package: fusion-icon on i386 -- lenny: 0.1.0-2; sid: 0.1.0-2; squeeze: 0.1.0-2; wheezy: 0.1.0-2 |
| 11:09.20 | dhbiker | testing |
| 11:09.26 | mekeor | so, i try to upload a file from my PC to the server through the internet using SCP. it fails with "lost connection". but SSHing to the server works fine. |
| 11:09.33 | valdyn | dhbiker: squeeze OR testing? |
| 11:09.40 | dhbiker | testing.. sorry :( |
| 11:10.02 | valdyn | mekeor: we know, you were asked if you can scp to that server from somewhere else. |
| 11:10.17 | mekeor | koisoke: no, i can't!! O_O |
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| 11:10.43 | mekeor | koisoke: why not? O_O |
| 11:10.52 | valdyn | mekeor: you cant because you cant try or you cant because it gives the same error? |
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| 11:10.58 | fredl | hmm I just did a new install of Sid and now have this Gnome 3 thing.... |
| 11:11.08 | dhbiker | Reading package lists... Done |
| 11:11.08 | dhbiker | Building dependency tree |
| 11:11.08 | dhbiker | Reading state information... Done |
| 11:11.08 | dhbiker | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 11:11.08 | *** kick/#debian [dhbiker!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 11:11.11 | dhbiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.11 | mekeor | valdyn: same error. |
| 11:11.15 | dhbiker | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
| 11:11.17 | dhbiker | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 11:11.21 | dhbiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.23 | dhbiker | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:11.25 | dhbiker | 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 11:11.27 | dhbiker | After this operation, 270 kB disk space will be freed. |
| 11:11.27 | mekeor | dhbiker: PASTEBIN!!!!!! |
| 11:11.29 | dhbiker | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 11:11.31 | dhbiker | (Reading database ... 222063 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 11:11.35 | valdyn | mekeor: and scp from server to server locally gives the same error? |
| 11:11.37 | dhbiker | Removing fusion-icon ... |
| 11:11.39 | dhbiker | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 11:11.42 | lewellyn | why doesn't the bot repeatedly kick? :/ |
| 11:11.48 | mekeor | kick him!!! BAH |
| 11:11.51 | mekeor | argh |
| 11:11.53 | mekeor | spam |
| 11:11.55 | fredl | I (finally) found the system settings, but is there a way to change my shortvut keys? |
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| 11:12.04 | lewellyn | mekeor: the bot kicked. he had autorejoin |
| 11:12.12 | mekeor | ah, ok. |
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| 11:12.25 | dhbiker | http://pastebin.com/x4nBpnk1 |
| 11:12.31 | dhbiker | here it is |
| 11:12.32 | fredl | if I go to Keyboard -> Shortcuts I see the alleged shortcut keys but it appears I cannot change them |
| 11:12.37 | mekeor | valdyn: scp index.html mek@127.0.0.1:/var/www/foo.html # gives the same error, yes. |
| 11:12.49 | mekeor | valdyn: ^ on the server… |
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| 11:13.25 | valdyn | mekeor: why does mek have permissions to write to /var/www/ ? |
| 11:13.34 | valdyn | mekeor: thats fucked up |
| 11:13.53 | mekeor | valdyn: oh, right, it doesn't… |
| 11:14.03 | mekeor | anyway. another directory doesn't work as well. |
| 11:14.26 | mekeor | (with "it doesn't" i mean that mek doesn't have such permissions.) |
| 11:14.36 | valdyn | mekeor: ok |
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| 11:15.09 | mekeor | valdyn: so, do you have an idea why it doesn't work? :/ |
| 11:15.23 | koisoke | does mek have a login shell or nologin? |
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| 11:15.50 | koisoke | if the latter, it's because he can't start the scp receiving process |
| 11:15.55 | valdyn | mekeor: run "debsums openssh-client" and "debsums openssh-server" on that server |
| 11:16.06 | dhbiker | any clue about my problem ? |
| 11:16.07 | Bartzy | Is there anyway to target a window that is minimized to tray (not in the taskbar) , with xdotool for example? wmctrl -xl doesn't find minimized-to-tray windows. |
| 11:16.24 | mekeor | valdyn: what does that do? (i don't run things which i don't understand…) |
| 11:16.38 | valdyn | dhbiker: how did you break your debian python install? |
| 11:16.45 | dhbiker | i didnt lol |
| 11:16.50 | valdyn | mekeor: easy, read "man debsums" |
| 11:17.03 | koisoke | mekeor: can you ssh in as mek or only as somebody else? |
| 11:17.06 | valdyn | judd: versions python |
| 11:17.07 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
| 11:17.19 | dhbiker | valdyn: under update-alternatives it still says 2.7 |
| 11:17.23 | mekeor | koisoke: ssh mek@server # works |
| 11:17.58 | valdyn | dhbiker: and "python --version" gives what? |
| 11:18.01 | mekeor | valdyn: ok. debsums is fine. |
| 11:18.18 | dhbiker | valdyn: python --version Python 2.7.2+ |
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| 11:18.36 | mekeor | are there any other ways i could upload files to my server? -- i have to urgently update some file… :/ |
| 11:18.57 | valdyn | mekeor: the most urgent thing is that you fix your ssh |
| 11:19.17 | mekeor | valdyn: ssh is fine. scp isn't… |
| 11:19.39 | valdyn | mekeor: stay logged in, restart ssh "/etc/init.d/ssh restart" and try scp again |
| 11:19.46 | valdyn | mekeor: thats the same |
| 11:20.05 | mekeor | valdyn: ok… |
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| 11:20.51 | mekeor | valdyn: still: "lost connection". |
| 11:21.19 | mekeor | why port does ssh/scp use? |
| 11:21.27 | valdyn | mekeor: is that system squeeze on debian/i386 ? |
| 11:21.36 | valdyn | mekeor: 22 |
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| 11:22.02 | mekeor | valdyn: it's ARM with debian testing. |
| 11:22.09 | valdyn | mekeor: oh geez |
| 11:22.13 | mekeor | :D |
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| 11:22.33 | valdyn | mekeor: I cant say if ssh may be broken on a beta version of debian |
| 11:22.57 | valdyn | mekeor: rsync works over ssh too, you can try that |
| 11:24.10 | koisoke | you can also pipe tar into an ssh that does an untar at the other end. |
| 11:24.16 | valdyn | mekeor: or google "tar over ssh" if you cant get rsync |
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| 11:24.53 | mekeor | valdyn: even rsync doesn't work… |
| 11:25.11 | whee_ | ah |
| 11:25.29 | whee_ | hello |
| 11:25.50 | mekeor | valdyn: error message: "rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]", "rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(605) [sender=3.0.9]". |
| 11:26.10 | petern_ | sftp? |
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| 11:26.37 | valdyn | mekeor: cat file | ssh user@host "cat > file" |
| 11:26.59 | mekeor | valdyn: wow. thank you! i'll try that… |
| 11:27.05 | koisoke | hm |
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| 11:27.33 | koisoke | mekeor: can you get in as other users? it sounds almost like mek has something totally broken in his .bashrc or similar |
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| 11:27.52 | valdyn | koisoke: i understand he gets in fine |
| 11:28.46 | petern_ | hmm, i once had a shell script called "ssh" in /usr/local/bin |
| 11:28.47 | koisoke | with scp? because scp&co just authenticate and then run the relevant commands once logged in, so if he can get in with an interactive shell, but otherwise not, it sounds like a broken bashrc |
| 11:28.48 | valdyn | mekeor: you could have a trivial issue like a full disk btw |
| 11:29.04 | petern_ | it would set the xterm/screen title to the host that was being logged in to |
| 11:29.06 | petern_ | worked great |
| 11:29.23 | petern_ | but caused havoc with things like rsync/scp |
| 11:29.34 | mekeor | fuck. i found it. |
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| 11:29.51 | mekeor | koisoke: you were right. my .bashrc was sucking! |
| 11:29.57 | valdyn | ahah |
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| 11:30.18 | mekeor | i had once replaced "[ -z "$PS1" ] && return" with "[ -z "$PS1" ] && exit" … fuck man!! |
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| 11:30.41 | mekeor | thank you guys very much!! again and again, thanks! :) omg. i'll never forget that shit. |
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| 11:31.12 | valdyn | !koisoke++ |
| 11:31.28 | mekeor | is still annoyed… shit man… omg… holy crap… |
| 11:31.46 | mekeor | what does that do? |
| 11:31.51 | mekeor | !valdyn++ |
| 11:32.03 | valdyn | !karma |
| 11:32.03 | dpkg | valdyn has karma of 10 |
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| 11:32.11 | valdyn | !karma koisoke |
| 11:32.11 | dpkg | koisoke has karma of 1 |
| 11:32.12 | mekeor | heh |
| 11:32.21 | valdyn | it should have done that ^^ |
| 11:32.35 | mekeor | nice idea |
| 11:32.46 | whee_ | Hello, I'm a total nub when it comes to linux and programming. I was wondering if one of you could suggest a easy to navi IDE to start and learn how to programming in C? |
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| 11:32.48 | valdyn | !karma greycat |
| 11:32.48 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 11:33.10 | mekeor | !karma * |
| 11:33.10 | dpkg | * has neutral karma |
| 11:33.36 | valdyn | whee_: start without an ide |
| 11:33.44 | whee_ | with gcc? |
| 11:34.01 | whee_ | Could you suggest any books or easy projects? |
| 11:34.17 | Lint | whee_, gcc is the only compiler available in linux |
| 11:34.46 | whee_ | ah yes. |
| 11:34.46 | valdyn | whee_: that book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language |
| 11:34.52 | Lint | whee_, you cannot evade it whichever ide you chose |
| 11:34.57 | snhmib | llvm, lcc, icc, iec |
| 11:35.14 | snhmib | +the 50 or so random C compilers i'm forgetting now |
| 11:35.18 | whee_ | What about a project that would give me some experience? |
| 11:35.30 | valdyn | whee_: you cant start learning C with a project |
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| 11:35.55 | valdyn | whee_: ( a project that goes beyond what is in any usual basic book ) |
| 11:36.08 | mekeor | whee_: Geany is a nice IDE. Vi(m) and (GNU) Emacs are powerful, awesome text editors. (emacs has a gui, too. there's also GVim with GUI.) |
| 11:36.28 | whee_ | wow, I haven't heard of GVim. |
| 11:37.13 | whee_ | Any books that cover the basics profoundly well that you may suggest to me? |
| 11:37.21 | valdyn | whee_: i just did |
| 11:37.35 | whee_ | I dl'ed a crap load of books and kind of lost in the clutter of it. |
| 11:37.40 | whee_ | valdyn, thank you. |
| 11:37.44 | whee_ | I am dl'ing |
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| 11:37.54 | mekeor | whee_: why do you ask for C-books in #debian?? afaik, there's ##c, too |
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| 11:38.28 | whee_ | It seems, #debian is the only chat room with friendly folk who would give some advice. |
| 11:38.48 | whee_ | I've tried ##C++ but everyone is ignoring me. |
| 11:38.50 | whee_ | haha |
| 11:39.28 | Slamd64 | Is there any apt tool which download packages and dependencies in folder? I would like to install debs on networkless pc server. |
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| 11:39.45 | whee_ | and from what i hear debian users are usually knowledgeable. |
| 11:40.15 | mekeor | whee_: hehe :D |
| 11:41.47 | Eninem | you hear wrong |
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| 11:42.03 | whee_ | I am pretty sure my sense of hearing is fine. |
| 11:42.07 | whee_ | :D |
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| 11:46.38 | whee_ | Can anybody suggest a bitcoin mining program that is easy to install on linux for me? |
| 11:46.44 | whee_ | I've tried cgminer |
| 11:46.56 | whee_ | but I was only able to install the cgminer without the gpu support. |
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| 11:47.27 | whee_ | I've searched through google for a viable replacement unsuccessfully. |
| 11:47.34 | whee_ | anybody? |
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| 11:52.36 | ispirto | hello, is there a way I can drop packages starting with some string by iptables? |
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| 11:53.33 | colo-work | well, there is a netfilter module that supports string matching |
| 11:53.47 | colo-work | I wonder if you do know about the implications of this, though. |
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| 11:54.51 | Azrael_- | colo-work: time consuming like hell? |
| 11:54.51 | ChrisH | Any tip for a working CD Player which can cope 2 CD Drives? kscd does start sometimes the first track, NEXT button changes the text but still plays the first track. cccd fails completly |
| 11:55.09 | colo-work | Azrael_-, ispirto: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.18 |
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| 11:58.39 | ispirto | colo-work, how can i install netfilter? |
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| 11:59.50 | abrotman | it's already installed if you're using Debian |
| 12:00.27 | ispirto | ah, didn't notice iptables is netfilter lol |
| 12:00.28 | ispirto | sorry |
| 12:00.42 | luke_ | Hi guys, im a freeBSD sys admin and I *need* to use Linux for a deploy. I was thinking of using gentoo, but thought I may as well go debain for ease of deploy. Are the speed differences going to be measureable? I would ask in #gentoo but dont want to get "l0l only use gent00 , go crying back to ubuntu" |
| 12:01.08 | ispirto | hahaha |
| 12:01.20 | colo-work | luke_, nope, no measurable differences. |
| 12:01.30 | luke_ | Thanks, didnt think there would be |
| 12:02.19 | luke_ | Whilst im in here, is zfs stable enough for production use in linux yet? |
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| 12:03.08 | ispirto | colo-work, I get this error: |
| 12:03.08 | ispirto | root@gaming:~# iptables -A INPUT -m string --string '\xFF\xFF\xFF\xFF\x6C' -j DROP |
| 12:03.08 | ispirto | iptables v1.4.10: STRING match: You must specify `--algo' |
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| 12:03.44 | ksk | luke_: zfs is "experimental" in linux kernel |
| 12:03.53 | ksk | so better not ask about its state in debian ;) |
| 12:03.57 | luke_ | Yea I know |
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| 12:04.33 | luke_ | What other software raid options do I get in linux? |
| 12:04.37 | luke_ | In bsd I get gmirror |
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| 12:04.54 | frostschutz | ksk: it's not in linux kernel at all, is it? |
| 12:05.15 | ksk | frostschutz: i thought so.. |
| 12:05.16 | colo-work | ispirto, two options: bm = Boyer-Moore, kmp = Knuth-Pratt-Morris. check wikipedia to learn about the characteristics of each algorithm, and figure out which one is more appropriate for your use case |
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| 12:05.21 | ksk | !tell luke_ about mdadm |
| 12:05.41 | ispirto | colo-work, thanks a lot |
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| 12:06.41 | colo-work | ispirto, also, `man iptables` |
| 12:06.43 | haotian | is there a default hotkey to run terminal ? ( Besides ctrl alt f1 f2 f3... they are too guru-ish ) |
| 12:06.48 | haotian | if not, how can I set a hotkey ? |
| 12:07.29 | Teduardo | anyone know if there will be a new installer anytime soon with the drivers for the new servers that just came out on march 6th? |
| 12:07.36 | luke_ | ksk: ahh cool thanks. So I dont need any form of hardware raid for that |
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| 12:15.37 | hardcore | lenny no longer in mirrors? why the hell is there a talk of lenny see http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 12:15.46 | hardcore | current releases |
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| 12:17.27 | jelly | hardcore: it's on archive.debian.org now. |
| 12:17.40 | hardcore | jelly: where is the announcment? |
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| 12:18.11 | hardcore | +e |
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| 12:18.20 | jelly | hardcore: there's the EOL announcement from February |
| 12:18.36 | Woet | hardcore: the real question is, why haven't you upgraded yet? |
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| 12:19.24 | Kasreyn | anyone know how to set up bluetooth audio sink? i have android paired up with "media device" but have no idea how to pass that into ALSA.. |
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| 12:20.04 | jelly | hardcore: and the 5.0.10 one http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2012/msg00007.html |
| 12:20.12 | hardcore | i'll update if debian.org first :D |
| 12:20.33 | jelly | hardcore: "Please note that the oldstable distribution will be moved from the main archive to the archive.debian.org repository after March 24th 2012. After this move, it will no longer be available from the main mirror network" |
| 12:20.35 | fasta | What can I do about Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 when I start e.g. synaptic? |
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| 12:20.58 | fasta | I want to be able to just do su && synaptic. |
| 12:21.05 | fasta | Don't say the other s word please. |
| 12:21.13 | jelly | fasta: use sux or gksu or gksudo instead |
| 12:21.20 | Woet | hardcore: if debian.org what? the announcement has been sent months ago |
| 12:22.18 | haotian | how can I update grub ? aptitude grub --update or something similiar ? |
| 12:22.19 | hardcore | jelly: yes thanks i found it also on google but not the whole world will read the mailinglist but a smart admin reads http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ and there is debian lenny listed under current releases |
| 12:22.27 | fasta | jelly: setting up an alias + sux was excellent. |
| 12:22.35 | jelly | hardcore: a smart admin reads debian-announce. |
| 12:22.39 | Woet | hardcore: a smart admin has upgraded 1 year ago |
| 12:23.00 | fasta | An even smarter admin writes a natural language parser to process debian-announce. |
| 12:23.08 | hardcore | you know theres a lot of machines outside you can't update |
| 12:23.13 | fasta | It would be even better if debian-announce was machine readable :) |
| 12:23.29 | Woet | hardcore: why not? |
| 12:23.47 | haotian | how can I update grub ? aptitude grub --update or something similiar ? |
| 12:23.47 | fasta | hardcore: if there is a security problem you should be able to update it too ;) |
| 12:24.05 | Woet | haotian: apt-get install grub |
| 12:24.06 | jelly | haotian: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 12:24.45 | hardcore | yes i understand |
| 12:24.50 | hardcore | its okay :) |
| 12:24.56 | hardcore | thanks |
| 12:25.14 | fasta | Does grub2 need any configuration? |
| 12:25.24 | fasta | I did apt-get install grub2 on a squeeze box. |
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| 12:26.13 | fasta | Hmm, seems it was already default. Odd. |
| 12:26.38 | ksk | grub2 is default in squeeze, and if you upgraded it asked you if you wanted it :> |
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| 12:26.56 | ed8 | what are the impact of changing the /etc/hostname ? |
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| 12:28.09 | WilsonBradley | Anyone else use Live Linux boot of a USB Persistance / Casper-rw ? Simple question.. Can I increase the Filesystem size? Trying to do an update on it and it says it's to small to do a 1+gb partial update. Maybe I should just download the LATEST build? |
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| 12:32.01 | infernix | i have about half a dozen different raid cards in a bunch of servers. is anyone aware of a one-script-to-check-them-all solution for monitoring raid health? |
| 12:32.26 | infernix | i know there's array-info but it only does two or three types of raid |
| 12:33.09 | infernix | and I'm about to roll my own script but would prefer a better way; RAID monitoring in linux is a bloody mess if you ask me :| |
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| 12:36.05 | boston8372 | hi guys, i just did something with synaptic pkg mgr (to uninstall mysql), what i thought were like 5 libs, and it undid something on apache so that mod rewrite is not working. is there a way to get a history of uninstalls ? |
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| 12:37.18 | boston8372 | oh File History duh |
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| 12:41.30 | ChrisH | infernix: you use HW Raid cards? |
| 12:41.55 | sidewalk | which screen recording application do you guys recommend, which also records audio? |
| 12:42.29 | sidewalk | istanbul and recordMyDesktop doesn't seem to work properly even though installed through default repositories |
| 12:43.54 | tralala | sidewalk, can't you just record the audio separately? |
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| 12:45.01 | sidewalk | tralala: its 2012 dude |
| 12:45.46 | ksk | xD |
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| 12:46.53 | tralala | did people suddenly lose their ability to do things separately in 2012? |
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| 12:47.28 | boston8372 | i prefer to use a tape recorder |
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| 12:48.30 | LordShiva | hi |
| 12:48.43 | LordShiva | I have one annoyance on my system |
| 12:49.37 | LordShiva | after I have upgraded to php 5.4 and later downgraded again to 5.3.10 I get a message in cron job |
| 12:49.37 | LordShiva | PHP Warning: Module 'curl' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 12:50.05 | LordShiva | and I have few modules that display same message all the time |
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| 12:50.58 | Sm0ke0ut | it's probably loading the modules twice |
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| 12:51.37 | LordShiva | Yeah but why ? |
| 12:52.16 | Sm0ke0ut | you can check /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ and if exists; remove the duplicates |
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| 12:53.11 | babilen | LordShiva: How did you upgrade to 5.4? How did you downgrade? Which version of Debian are you running? Where is 5.3.10 coming from which is not currently in Debian? |
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| 12:53.42 | sidewalk | seriously, nobody who can recommend a screen capturing/recording application for debian? :-) |
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| 12:54.09 | Sm0ke0ut | I don't know of any :) |
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| 12:57.02 | ksk | you can use imagemagick to take screenshots :P |
| 12:57.20 | sephii | scrot is great |
| 12:57.50 | sephii | oh sorry i thought you were talking about screenshots |
| 12:59.32 | babilen | sidewalk: Hang on ... Something popped into my mind. |
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| 13:01.50 | babilen | sidewalk: Take a look at byzanz and istanbul. |
| 13:01.53 | virtuose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.46 | virtuose | does anyone know if it is possible to get full paths that are print with find without making a pipe and without searching into / |
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| 13:03.21 | ed8 | I need to give access to some folder |
| 13:03.45 | ed8 | ...via SFTP, how can I lock user into those given folders ? |
| 13:04.01 | boston8372 | chroot |
| 13:04.12 | valdyn | virtuose: just give the full path to find like : find /path/to/blah/ ... |
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| 13:04.40 | infernix | ChrisH: yes, HW raid cards of various vendors |
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| 13:05.08 | babilen | !tell ed8 -about scponly |
| 13:05.15 | ed8 | boston8372: will it jail user completely ? |
| 13:05.32 | luke_ | I have two 16GB SSD drives and two 1.5TB SATA II drives, I was going to put / on my ssd's with 10GB for / and 6GB for swap, then stripe these drives with madam, then put everything else on a stripe on my 1.5TB drives, sound reasonable? |
| 13:05.39 | babilen | ed8: Not in the BSD jail sense (scponly chroot that is) |
| 13:05.58 | luke_ | THat would house /usr and everything else (production server) |
| 13:06.11 | valdyn | luke_: no, striping is unreasonable |
| 13:06.21 | luke_ | valdyn: would would you do? |
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| 13:06.30 | luke_ | I want the drives in mirror software raid |
| 13:06.30 | ecstoian | I've one question regarding the installation of Debian 6.0.4 on a RAID0 configuration. After the installer sets up the packages et. all, when it gets to the grub installation step, it shouts out an error, saying it can't install GRUB. Any idea why this happens ? |
| 13:06.36 | valdyn | luke_: anything but stripe |
| 13:06.43 | luke_ | Why not? |
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| 13:07.02 | ed8 | babilen: it's to provide access to customer to some of their data/config. Of course, we want to prevent them to messed-up their apps |
| 13:07.12 | valdyn | luke_: because stripe doesnt deliver on speed and adds risk |
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| 13:07.20 | boston8372 | ed8: i have played with that for hours looking at different methods. i wanted just the opposite, to get out to root |
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| 13:07.38 | withheld | I am on a fresh base install of Debian, and something is changing my resolv.conf very few minutes |
| 13:07.40 | boston8372 | google on ftp and chroot and play with it on your distro |
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| 13:07.59 | frostschutz | ecstoian: I don't know if grub supports raid0 for /boot. if it doesn't you'll have to make a /boot partition using raid1 or whatever |
| 13:08.01 | luke_ | valdyn: so for two drive mirroing, raid1? |
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| 13:08.13 | valdyn | luke_: yes |
| 13:08.13 | withheld | I do not use a network manager, what is doing this and how can I stop it short of stuffing /etc/ into a read only partition? |
| 13:08.20 | luke_ | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 13:08.25 | withheld | Or.....just resolv.conf and using a symlink I suppose |
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| 13:08.49 | virtuose | valdyn: thanks |
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| 13:09.46 | valdyn | withheld: is network-manager installed? |
| 13:09.55 | withheld | I do not use a network manager. |
| 13:10.03 | valdyn | withheld: I didnt ask if you use it. |
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| 13:10.29 | withheld | No, it's a base install, with ssh and awesome installed |
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| 13:10.46 | valdyn | withheld: very simple: theres a packagae named "network-manager" and i just want to know if it is installed |
| 13:10.50 | withheld | No |
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| 13:11.14 | withheld | It's a base install....it's practically nothing |
| 13:11.22 | valdyn | withheld: ok, so there remains 2 things: are you connected via ppp from that box or just ethernet? |
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| 13:12.19 | valdyn | withheld: makes no difference if its ethernet or wlan, thats the same to me, but ppp would matter |
| 13:12.20 | withheld | ethernet |
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| 13:13.01 | gueux | hi |
| 13:13.01 | valdyn | withheld: ok, so theres your dhcp client changing /etc/resolv.conf every few minutes or doing what to that file exactly that you dont want? |
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| 13:13.21 | gueux | is there an ircd which support ssl in debian stable? |
| 13:13.27 | valdyn | withheld: is it overwriting your custom changes with the same stuff each time? |
| 13:13.28 | withheld | Erasing it and replacing the nameserver with some local ip that doesn't work |
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| 13:13.49 | gueux | I've tried almost all of them, but didn't succeed in having ssl+ircd |
| 13:14.11 | th1sl3gacyy | if i ran this "cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml" how come i cant find the copied file |
| 13:14.26 | valdyn | withheld: just to be sure, paste the output for "ps aux | grep dhclient" on a paste site |
| 13:14.43 | gueux | are there plans to include oftc-hybrid? the maintainer seems to have abandonned that package :(... http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/oftc-hybrid.html |
| 13:15.50 | Shadur | What's the syntax to add the gpg keyring for squeeze's maintainers to apt again? I just did a dist-upgrade but it doesn't seem to have gone automatically. |
| 13:16.12 | ChrisH | th1sl3gacyy: you look at the wrong place :) |
| 13:16.39 | withheld | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xh67L5yL |
| 13:16.48 | ChrisH | try echo ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml |
| 13:16.48 | th1sl3gacyy | ChrisH thats what im saying. but i cant even find the /.config |
| 13:17.22 | ChrisH | th1sl3gacyy: the shell needs to extend ~ |
| 13:17.25 | valdyn | withheld: ok, fine, you need change the configuration of dhclient to use your own choice nameserver |
| 13:17.47 | withheld | O....okay.... |
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| 13:18.14 | th1sl3gacyy | ChrisH, in a dumb sense, how can i use a file browser to locate this... |
| 13:18.17 | valdyn | withheld: thats in the file /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf or same file in /etc/dhcp3, i forgot |
| 13:19.05 | valdyn | withheld: "supersede domain-name-servers <your-dns-ip>" |
| 13:19.08 | valdyn | withheld: "supersede domain-name-servers <your-dns-ip>:" |
| 13:19.09 | valdyn | gah |
| 13:19.17 | valdyn | withheld: ; at the line end |
| 13:19.31 | sidewalk | with xvidcap im having problems with the audio device, anyone have any good solution to that problem? i dont have /dev/dsp and /dev/snd is a directory |
| 13:19.46 | withheld | Thank you |
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| 13:20.09 | valdyn | withheld: even better would be to fix your dhcp server, but thats probably not debian so i cant help you with it |
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| 13:20.28 | withheld | Not my network, but yeah |
| 13:21.10 | ChrisH | th1sl3gacyy: run the echo command in a shell and you will see where the file is |
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| 13:22.09 | valdyn | withheld: once you did that, just "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
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| 13:22.56 | th1sl3gacyy | thanks ChrisH i see it now! |
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| 13:25.23 | thomaschaaf | I am a new linux user and wanted to set the resoltuion with xrandr. Sadly it only allows: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 is there a way to update the list of supported devides? |
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| 13:31.29 | sephii | thomaschaaf: it's automatically detected |
| 13:31.51 | sephii | thomaschaaf: I think it depends on your graphics adapter and the display |
| 13:32.19 | thomaschaaf | I restarted x and now it is showing up correctly |
| 13:32.27 | thomaschaaf | is there a way to reload that without restarting? |
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| 13:33.00 | ono-sendai | hi |
| 13:33.06 | sephii | you mean xrandr is reporting correct information after restarting x? |
| 13:33.21 | ChrisH | thomaschaaf: I am not expierenced in X but I assume: restarting X is allways needed |
| 13:33.57 | thomaschaaf | yes I stopped "startx" and then started it again |
| 13:34.03 | thomaschaaf | and now it is showing up correctly |
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| 13:37.00 | sephii | thomaschaaf: did you change anything between the moment you tried xrandr and the moment you restarted x? |
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| 13:38.23 | thomaschaaf | sephii: nope |
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| 13:39.21 | sephii | thomaschaaf: and now if you reboot and try xrandr -q again, it will report wrong information until you restart x? |
| 13:39.38 | thomaschaaf | currently it is displaying the correct info |
| 13:39.50 | thomaschaaf | I just thought there was a command to update xrandr |
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| 13:40.08 | thomaschaaf | I'll see :) if I have ne info I will send it this way |
| 13:41.27 | Lukemob | hello, does anybody know.. I'm switching Xen HVM from bridged to routed setup - do I need to turn off all the domU's first? |
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| 13:42.03 | JJCale | hi all |
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| 13:43.17 | abdelix | hi |
| 13:44.14 | fredl | hi, I'm running Gnome 3 on Debian Sid. I'm trying to change my keyboards shortcuts and found the keyboard settings. However it does not seem to work. |
| 13:44.23 | fredl | When I select and action and press a key, nothing happens. |
| 13:45.34 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
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| 13:45.42 | HardDisk_WP | can I tell grub to reboot to a specific kernel? |
| 13:45.55 | HardDisk_WP | i run a server and upgraded the kernel but it still boots into old kernel |
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| 13:48.16 | JJCale | I'm struggling here with what seems to be an "aptitude" inconsistency or bug. I'm running Debian wheezy. Sometimes, when I install package foo, some packages are automatically installed with it, as dependencies. But when I do an "aptitude purge foo", those dependencies are not removed as I think they should be. |
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| 13:49.11 | JJCale | I will give you an example of this strange behaviour. When I install "gnome-terminal", package "gnome-terminal-data" is automatically installed, as a dependency of "gnome-terminal". But then, when I do an "aptitude purge gnome-terminal", package "gnome-terminal-data" is not removed, and no other installed package depends on "gnome-terminal-data"! Can someone please explain what is going on here? Is this a bug or what? |
| 13:49.29 | sephii | HardDisk_WP: edit /etc/default/grub (esp. GRUB_DEFAULT) and then run update-grub |
| 13:49.45 | valdyn | JJCale: youre being inconsistent with the tools youre using to install or remove packages |
| 13:49.57 | Sevet | aptitude autoremove afterwards would remove packages which were installed as dependancies |
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| 13:51.07 | JJCale | valdyn: sorry, but I'm not. I only use aptitude. I don't use anyother package management tool |
| 13:51.08 | ed8 | what do you recommend to edit GPG encrypted files ? |
| 13:51.53 | JJCale | valdyn: But you can see for yourself. Just install gnome-terminal with aptitude and then purge it |
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| 13:53.21 | Sevet | jjcalc: perhaps gnome-terminal-data was installed by name as well, or unmarkauto was used? |
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| 13:54.23 | valdyn | JJCale: i cant do that, id have to unmarkauto 100 packages |
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| 13:55.38 | shtrb | anyone know the meaning of what data is in icon_data datastructure sent to dbus by dropbox ? (it is a binary array but I'm trying to understand it's meaning) |
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| 13:55.54 | JJCale | Sevet: no. gnome-terminal-data was installed as a dependency of gnome-ternimal, everytime gnome-terminal is installed. I'm doing tests right now. And unmarkauto wasn't used. I now what markauto and unmarkauto are and what they produce |
| 13:57.59 | JJCale | valdyn: you can run the test with many other packages. For instance: install xfce4-notifyd. It will install some 8 packages, as dependencies. Then, when you purge xfce4-notifyd those dependencies are not removed. I can give more examples... On other situations aptitude purge does indeed remove the dependencies... This seems to be an inconsistency or bug |
| 13:58.25 | valdyn | JJCale: yes, it works fine in squeeze, lets see sid |
| 13:59.07 | JJCale | vadyn: you can also do the test, for instance, doind an "aptitude install perlpanel" |
| 13:59.21 | ChrisH | JJCale: man aptitude Purge <package>: remove it and all its associated configuration and data files. |
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| 13:59.35 | valdyn | JJCale: same thing |
| 13:59.42 | valdyn | judd: versions aptitude |
| 13:59.43 | judd | Package: aptitude on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny2; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; sid: 0.6.5-1; wheezy: 0.6.5-1 |
| 13:59.52 | ChrisH | no word on removing automatically installed packages |
| 13:59.57 | valdyn | thats the wheezy version |
| 14:00.01 | coplon | hom do i remove a virtual package? |
| 14:00.06 | coplon | how |
| 14:00.15 | valdyn | coplon: a virtual package is not a package, thats why its virtual |
| 14:00.20 | valdyn | coplon: it cant be removed |
| 14:00.27 | Rienzilla | JJCale: you can apt-get autoremove afaik |
| 14:00.38 | Rienzilla | then it will remove automatically installed packages which are no lomnger needed |
| 14:00.42 | valdyn | Rienzilla: dont confuse apt-get with aptitude |
| 14:01.02 | Rienzilla | oh I always confuse them :) |
| 14:01.16 | valdyn | Rienzilla: as does JJCale, or so it seems |
| 14:01.42 | JJCale | ChrisH: aptitude purge foo should remove all dependencies that were installed with the installation of package foo. The manuals say this explicitly and on the most ocasions this is the normal behaviour |
| 14:02.11 | valdyn | JJCale: you clearly need to redo your experiment |
| 14:02.40 | valdyn | JJCale: and log the whole thing and put it up for us to see |
| 14:03.13 | JJCale | Rienzilla apt-get autoremove foo does not remove the packages on the situations I'm talking about. If you have doubts, please just do the tests |
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| 14:04.30 | valdyn | JJCale: show us "apt-cache policy aptitude" too btw |
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| 14:04.43 | ChrisH | JJCale: where is it stated? I checked man-page and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html and cannot confirm your POV |
| 14:05.12 | Rienzilla | JJCale: i'm not doing anything, just stating something you might have had overlooked |
| 14:05.15 | valdyn | ChrisH: it doesnt really matter as aptitude does act like he thinks would be correct |
| 14:05.37 | coplon | but i don't need it's dependencys |
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| 14:05.58 | JJCale | valdyn: I already gave some examples. This is very simple. Just install gnome-terminal with aptitude, or xfce4-notifyd, or perlpanel, etc... And after that, just purge the package with aptitude purge... The dependencies that were installed with package foo will not be removed! They are removed on most occasions, but on many cases they are not! |
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| 14:06.08 | valdyn | JJCale: i did, on 2 systems |
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| 14:06.12 | valdyn | JJCale: it works fine. |
| 14:06.21 | valdyn | JJCale: please do the logging i asked you to do |
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| 14:09.37 | valdyn | JJCale: theres a few things possible. Maybe you or someone else change the aptitude config, maybe you arent really using debians aptitude at all, maybe your default config wasnt a debian default config |
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| 14:10.57 | JJCale | valdyn: I now how to deal with apt-cache policy foo... For instance: if I install "gnome-terminal", "gnome-terminal-data is automatically installed, as a dependency of "gnome-terminal". Then, if I do an "aptitude purge gnome-terminal", package "gnome-terminal-data" is not removed!!! And if i do an "apt-cache policy gnome-terminal-data", this package is listed as installed and the candidate versions is the some as the version installed |
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| 14:12.08 | JJCale | valdyn: and if I do an "aptitude why gnome-terminal-data", it is listed that "gnome-terminal" (which I purged) Depends on "gnome-terminal-data" !!!! |
| 14:12.29 | ronr | hi, I have a server (debian stable) I have no physical access to with two remote ips on eth0 and eth0:0, I need to move the ip of eth0:0 to eth0 and free the ip currently on eth0, how to do this safely? |
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| 14:12.50 | JJCale | this type of inconsistency and strange behaviour does not occur on the majority of the cases, but it occurs on many cases |
| 14:13.32 | rimmick | why if the FSF doesn't endorse the use of chromium, debian still host it on the repo? |
| 14:14.46 | rimmick | I am talking about the web browser |
| 14:15.02 | JJCale | valdyn: perhaps what is hapenning with me is happening with anyone else... If nobody will do the same tests I'm talking about, nobody will know... Yes, I'm using debian aptitude. I know what debian aptitude is. And I didn't change the default configuration of apt or aptitude |
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| 14:16.55 | somiaj | rimmick: it is a package people will want to use, the FSF doesn't endorse non-free software, yet debian hosts that as well. |
| 14:16.57 | twobitsprite | ohh wow... they finally changed "deselected" to "unselected" in apt... :P |
| 14:17.24 | rimmick | somiaj: it is in main |
| 14:17.26 | JJCale | valdyn: one more thing. In the givem examples, when I do an "aptitude install f" then those dependencies are finally removed! For instance, when I purge "gnome-terminal", "gnome-terminal-dat" is not removed and no other packages installed on the system depends on it. But when I do an "aptitude install f" then "gnome-terminal-data" is removes! |
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| 14:17.39 | Dulak | Chromium is open source, it's chrome that is not |
| 14:17.41 | NetWalk | i need help to setup clamfs and extended ACL, anyone ever use that on production debian 6.0.x server ? |
| 14:17.45 | rimmick | somiaj: debian doesn't host non-free software on main |
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| 14:18.08 | JJCale | valdyn: correction: I mean "aptitude install -f" |
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| 14:19.40 | somiaj | rimmick: Is there a DFSG that the chromium package breaks? If so file a bug report. I'm just saying that if the package passes the DSFG and people will use it, debian will most likley provide it for them despite if it has FSF endorsement. It isn't like you have to install it if you want to follow their guidlines. |
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| 14:20.33 | ChrisH | JJCale: I just scanned my local LUG Mails as I remember to read similar before.. In July we had it before. check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637257 |
| 14:20.50 | CissWit | nspirer |
| 14:20.58 | CissWit | sorry, little fail there :) |
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| 14:21.40 | rimmick | somiaj: I am asking why deban host it. if they do any mod to the package or what. |
| 14:21.43 | rimmick | somiaj: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browser |
| 14:22.05 | JJCale | ChrisH thank you very much. I will read it. In the mean time, I think I have found what is probably an explanation for this. Please read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
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| 14:24.30 | valdyn | JJCale: mind point us to where in this faq we should read? |
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| 14:25.25 | somiaj | haha xchat is on that list too. |
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| 14:26.10 | rimmick | somiaj: for a silly reason |
| 14:26.18 | somiaj | rimmick: check the bts and qa page for that package. If you can point out where the package violates the DSFG send in a bug report. |
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| 14:26.52 | JJCale | ChrisH: it seems that "gnome-terminal" depends on "gnome-terminal-data" but "gnome-terminal-data does not depend on "gnome-terminal (gnome-terminal is just a recommends of gnome-terminal-data". This probably explains why when we do an "aptitude purge gnome-terminal", package "gnome-terminal-data" is not removed, and it will only be removed when we do an "aptitude install f"... This some type of behaviour seems to occur on the other examples I gav |
| 14:26.52 | JJCale | e... Do you agree with what I'm saying now, ChrisH, valdyn, and ohters? |
| 14:27.11 | rimmick | somiaj: I really wonder what the point 1 reffers to, maybe is just an anti-google move from the fsf |
| 14:27.15 | somiaj | rimmick: the reason for chromium-browser is about the same. (2) is links to non-free crap (same as why xchat, iceape) is on there |
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| 14:27.37 | rimmick | somiaj: but the (1) |
| 14:27.39 | somiaj | rimmick: as for license of some code is unclear, that seems like more a valid reason, but it is unclear and they say no more. |
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| 14:27.50 | rimmick | somiaj: exactly |
| 14:28.54 | somiaj | rimmick: that list still seems overzelous to me. Unless they can point out where the package breaks the DFSG I don't see why debian would want to remove it (it is a popular browser people want to use) |
| 14:29.51 | boston8372 | having a problem getting mysql 5.1 squeeze installed. i blow everything away then go in to do clean install and it says Innodb started ... error ;you have a sql syntax, check manual |
| 14:30.02 | boston8372 | cant seem to purge get a clean install |
| 14:30.06 | JJCale | ChrisH: (and others) on the link I gave you just need to read the last 3 paragraphs |
| 14:30.10 | valdyn | JJCale: yes, I can reproduce this with icewm |
| 14:30.30 | Woet | rimmick: lol, libreplanet is a terrible site |
| 14:30.37 | Woet | "Recommended Fix: Remove the package" |
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| 14:31.11 | rimmick | Woet: yeah, but I really want to know if that point 1 could be something that debian ignores |
| 14:31.22 | valdyn | JJCale: the faq explains something else though |
| 14:31.23 | rimmick | but yeah, they dont even recommend the kopete |
| 14:31.23 | somiaj | JJCale: this is also an issue for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net or file a bug against aptitude (or add to the bug you were linked to). |
| 14:31.46 | valdyn | JJCale: the faq explains the *regular* behaviour of the old apt-get |
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| 14:33.28 | Short_circuit | Help. creating dual boot windows debian rig. installing squeeze... well.. squeeze is installed and boots. But when booting normally I get "BAR 3 address space collision on of device" with some more info then hangs for a long time elogating boot time drastically. I've never seen this before. When I start safe mode I don't get the 'collision' message |
| 14:33.36 | JJCale | valdyn: Vhrish: I will try to reproduce this issue with icewm |
| 14:33.36 | Short_circuit | in safe mode now |
| 14:34.06 | Short_circuit | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:34.14 | valdyn | JJCale: so i have not seen the commonality between gnome-termianl and icewm and the reason why it works properly with ntop |
| 14:34.40 | somiaj | JJCale: I had aptitude give me the same issue, so something in its logic is preventing removeing the packages (until you tell aptitude to fix the install), but I did not have the problem with apt-get, and running apt-get autoremove afterwards |
| 14:34.46 | somiaj | JJCale: I am running sid. |
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| 14:35.22 | somiaj | (I did it on xfce4-notifyd mostly because gnome-terminal had to many depends that I did not want to touch my system) |
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| 14:36.34 | somiaj | JJCale: though I noticed that when I did aptitude -f install that it wanted to add some packages (that I didn't even want on my system). So maybe something in its logic is messing up and it is putting packages in a strange state until all of its precived problems are fixed. |
| 14:36.42 | rimmick | !xv |
| 14:36.42 | dpkg | i guess xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick, or mplayer -vo xv goes faster |
| 14:37.30 | valdyn | JJCale: i would look into alternate or combined depends ( > someversion and < someversion listed in the Depends: field ) |
| 14:37.44 | valdyn | JJCale: i have a hunch something there confuses aptitude |
| 14:37.52 | somiaj | JJCale: nope that is not it, I would suggest filing a new bug report, or appending to the one that you were linked to. |
| 14:38.10 | JJCale | somiaj: gnome-terminal and it's gnome-terminal-data dependency was only an example of this issue. There are many others: for instance: xfce4-notifyd, icewm, perlpanel, etc... Only aptitude install -f fixes these type of problem |
| 14:38.32 | somiaj | JJCale: yea I just don't let consolekit or policykit on my system so I had to pck one that didn't bring those in. (: |
| 14:39.27 | somiaj | JJCale: though now that you have confirmation that it isn't just your system, this is really more a discussion that should be sent to the bts. |
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| 14:43.15 | JJCale | somiaj valdyn ChrisH : yeah, now, with all the kind help you are all giving me here, I'm now confident that I need to fill a bug report |
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| 15:00.26 | blitzcoder | Guys, i have a question. I have a debian lenny system on my NAS and no monitor attached to it obviously. I changed some stuff about the hard disk configuration and rebooted, and now it won't boot anymore. I have a USB keyboard attached and it is working. Do you have any ideas what message debian gives me and which keys I could try to press to bypass it? |
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| 15:00.54 | blitzcoder | I would guess, that one of the entrys in stab fails to mount |
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| 15:03.05 | ksk | blitzcoder: it could be that many things, without amonitor you would probably destory more then fix imho :> |
| 15:03.54 | blitzcoder | No chance to attach a monitor. I have a serial console though, but it just gives me unreadable stuff... |
| 15:04.08 | blitzcoder | Nothing more to destroy at the moment, the device is bricked |
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| 15:05.32 | ChrisH | blitzcoder: unreadable stuff point to incorrect serial speed. 9600 8n1 might be a starting point... or a cat < /dev/ttySX |
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| 15:10.11 | blitzcoder | ChrisH: Im quite sure the speed is right. It is the only speed I get anything anyway |
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| 15:10.29 | blitzcoder | Ill try what you suggested |
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| 15:10.48 | NetWalk | anyone playing with clamfs and extended acl ??, i need help for proper rights setting. |
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| 15:17.55 | saban | hi, i have server with 1gb ethernet connection, its running samba server, how to see how much traffic is going true the card? |
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| 15:18.51 | ksk | saban: there are tools like "iptraf" |
| 15:19.08 | petemc | iftop, nload |
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| 15:21.09 | NetWalk | saban: you can TEST it too with iperf |
| 15:21.17 | saban | tnx! works perfect :) |
| 15:21.53 | NetWalk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.19 | valdyn | till you have an interface with an odd name |
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| 15:22.24 | NetWalk | hey guys, anyone using clamfs and extended ACL ? |
| 15:22.39 | valdyn | NetWalk: what is clamfs? |
| 15:22.49 | NetWalk | on access scanning |
| 15:22.54 | NetWalk | for clamav |
| 15:23.14 | NetWalk | i'm having rights problem and i really need help to fix that |
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| 15:23.37 | fbs | anyone running debian on a ssd? |
| 15:23.49 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 15:23.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 15:28.02 | Slamd64 | Hello. Is there a way to automatically download packages with deps and then put debs on usb for offline installation? |
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| 15:28.47 | JJCale | somiaj: what you have against policykit ? |
| 15:29.29 | ansgar | Slamd64: Maybe apt-offline or something similar? |
| 15:30.25 | Slamd64 | I will try apt offline, thanks. |
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| 15:40.36 | zephir | hello |
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| 15:42.00 | zephir | I am looking for a good guide for setting up postfix + dovecot on a debian squeeze (mysql or shadow pws - not system users). However all Guides I have found are not working properly. And yes I read twice and ran commands once ;) |
| 15:42.05 | zephir | any ideas? |
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| 15:45.55 | jayflux | hey guys, im going to write some python scrips for automation (cron jobs), what folder is best to put these in? |
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| 15:47.59 | guardian | jelly-home: hi, you there? yesterday the getent passwd onliner you gave, why did you choose >=200? as an example or was there another reason? (for the record I'm doing getent passwd | awk -F: '$3 >= 1000 && $3 <= 9999 {print $1}') |
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| 15:48.27 | drwahl | jayflux: according to http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ , you should probably use /usr/local/bin/ |
| 15:48.57 | r4co0n | why not /etc/cron* ? |
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| 15:49.40 | jayflux | r4co0n: is that where the other cron files are kept? |
| 15:49.49 | jayflux | thanks btw drwahl i will take a read of that site |
| 15:50.12 | drwahl | i prefer to keep executables out of /etc, if at all possible |
| 15:50.54 | r4co0n | drwahl, so you recommend linking from /etc/cron..., but putting the files somewhere else? |
| 15:51.00 | Orphis | Does anybody know a debian repository software that supports indexing multiple versions of the same package (having different file names) ? |
| 15:51.58 | r4co0n | jayflux, this is were cronjobs are kept, for installed packages at least |
| 15:52.12 | jayflux | hmm |
| 15:52.14 | jayflux | ok |
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| 15:52.24 | jayflux | What if im just messing around with a file |
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| 15:53.24 | r4co0n | jayflux, in the man it says "admins should not use /etc/cron.d/, but crontab |
| 15:53.44 | jayflux | ok |
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| 15:53.53 | r4co0n | dont know what about cron.hourly and all |
| 15:54.04 | jayflux | What if i wanted to experiment with a file where would i put it to begin with? |
| 15:54.05 | r4co0n | see "man cron" for reference |
| 15:54.09 | jayflux | thanks |
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| 15:54.36 | r4co0n | jayflux, maybe in your home folder? |
| 15:54.43 | jayflux | true, thanks |
| 15:55.09 | mashed | jayflux: If they are specific to your use I'd put them in ~/bin |
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| 15:55.28 | mashed | jayflux: if they are specific to the machine then i would put them in /usr/local/bin |
| 15:55.30 | drwahl | jayflux: i'd suggest not sticking cron jobs in home directories |
| 15:55.33 | drwahl | especially if they are nethomes |
| 15:55.52 | mashed | jayflux: in both cases I would call them through crontab |
| 15:55.55 | r4co0n | no, i recommended it only for the testing purpose |
| 15:56.15 | drwahl | ya, developing in your home dir is fine |
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| 15:56.21 | r4co0n | not even croned i thought, just testing a script |
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| 16:05.52 | ttpearso | Having some clock skew problems with squeeze + xen, found a couple post on message boards that suggest some kernel opts, anyone know anymore info? Is it only squeeze+xen ? |
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| 16:07.12 | dark-sun | hi people |
| 16:07.32 | dark-sun | ...and bots. |
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| 16:08.05 | passstab | l.o.l. |
| 16:08.15 | dark-sun | any idea how can I install sun-java6-jdk package? |
| 16:08.36 | dark-sun | it's not in testing repos |
| 16:08.42 | dark-sun | not anymore |
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| 16:09.15 | XReaper | i'd have thought nonfree? |
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| 16:10.11 | nkuttler | meh, isn't there a vim with +python in squeeze? |
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| 16:11.03 | tremon | dark-sun: download it from oracle |
| 16:11.13 | dark-sun | debian wheezy. sun-java6-jdk no longer available in debian wheezy due to some licencing issues |
| 16:11.19 | dark-sun | wtf? |
| 16:11.36 | dark-sun | :-S |
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| 16:13.46 | mick_laptop | dark-sun: I think that they went w/ openjdk |
| 16:14.15 | mick_laptop | dark-sun: http://openjdk.java.net/ |
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| 16:14.39 | dark-sun | mick_laptop✪ i wish I could as easy as they did it |
| 16:14.50 | dark-sun | mick_laptop✪ i wish I could use it as easy as they did it |
| 16:14.57 | dark-sun | damn keyboard |
| 16:15.26 | mick_laptop | dark-sun: the issue was that Sun had to license out certain parts (some APIs weren't actually owned by them), so when it was open sourced it took forever |
| 16:15.48 | mick_laptop | and some parts were still closed source since Sun didn't really "own" them |
| 16:16.34 | dark-sun | all legal issues |
| 16:16.43 | mick_laptop | dark-sun: I thought it was just a small portion that wasn't able to be open sourced |
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| 16:16.56 | dark-sun | some one should cut the circle |
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| 16:17.51 | mick_laptop | dark-sun: what does that mean? |
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| 16:18.06 | jozefk | oracle |
| 16:18.12 | mick_laptop | you can just get it from sun err oracle |
| 16:18.17 | mick_laptop | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/downloads/java-ee-sdk-6u3-jdk-7u1-downloads-523391.html |
| 16:18.37 | mick_laptop | jozefk: ya, but these issues predate oracle |
| 16:18.52 | mick_laptop | oracle brought it's own set of problems :) |
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| 16:18.59 | jozefk | :) |
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| 16:19.32 | jozefk | I never liked that oracle bought sun. but that how it is. so, what to do. :) |
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| 16:20.13 | mick_laptop | jozefk: ya, the patent portfolio under Sun wasn't scary. under oracle... different story |
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| 16:20.38 | somiaj | JJCale: It is just part of the cruft I see as destroying the linux desktop. I do not need policy kit to set up my machine to give privlages to run paticular things. sudo is more than sufficent for that. |
| 16:20.58 | jozefk | there will always be some solution for linux :) I am not afraid of anything haha |
| 16:21.10 | mick_laptop | the biggest open source company having the biggest patent portfolio was actually ok |
| 16:21.53 | mick_laptop | jozefk: you must not write software then ;) |
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| 16:22.09 | mick_laptop | a lot of projects I can't do because of patents :( |
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| 16:22.34 | hatseflats | hey everyone, I'm trying to convert to dependency-boot, and I've tackled all the scripts dpkg complained about, but it's still not enough it seems |
| 16:22.39 | jozefk | you are right. I am not a programmer. wish I am, but I am not. |
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| 16:23.17 | mick_laptop | perfect example, Google had something called "Google Sets" - which was nixed. I'd love to see that functionality again, but I'm not allowed to write it for fear that they would bankrupt me in court fees |
| 16:23.24 | dark-sun | s/am/was |
| 16:23.49 | jozefk | :)) |
| 16:24.37 | jozefk | sorry for bad english grammar |
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| 16:25.45 | mick_laptop | worst part? it is all based on math. shouldn't be patentable, but it is because of one stupid court decision many years ago |
| 16:26.01 | mick_laptop | at least software patents don't hold in the rest of the world |
| 16:26.06 | JJCale | somiaj: I'm using LXDE and I've never changed the policy kit default configuration. Does this mean I can remove policy kit (or prevent its start up on /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart) without any problems? |
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| 16:27.06 | jozefk | only US? |
| 16:28.03 | mick_laptop | jozefk: land of the free. my ass |
| 16:28.16 | jozefk | hahaha |
| 16:29.19 | tremon | JJCale: policykit does have a default config, and although I don't think that lxde actually uses it, removing it might break some gnome programs. You'll never know until you try it |
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| 16:30.32 | sweb | is any safe method to install some packages from SID ? |
| 16:30.51 | sweb | for example i need to install last stable php on my web server |
| 16:31.21 | tremon | !tell sweb about backports |
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| 16:32.59 | smhar | I got myself a new gift, a dreamplug (http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx), I updated it to debian squeeze, and it is working nicely now. The wifi is working in AP mode, but does not give an IP to clients, what files should I edit for this? |
| 16:32.59 | sweb | tremon: package php5 not found in backports repository |
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| 16:33.37 | tremon | ,versions php5 |
| 16:33.38 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.4.0-3; wheezy: 5.4.0-3 |
| 16:34.00 | sweb | i need php 5.4 |
| 16:34.01 | tremon | sweb: no, but it's in squeeze already. Do you need 5.4? |
| 16:34.07 | sweb | yeah |
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| 16:34.48 | JJCale | tremon: oh, I see. Then the better option is to simply remove policy kit from the list of automatically loaded applications, on /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart, and then see it the absence of policy kit breaks some programs or not :) |
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| 16:35.21 | tremon | sweb: next option is to build from source |
| 16:35.24 | sweb | i need, nginx, apache, mysql, bind and some packages in least stable version |
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| 16:36.17 | tremon | sweb: I'd use apt pinning but it's very fragile and underdocumented, backporting something yourself is usually safer and easier |
| 16:36.22 | tremon | !tell sweb about ssb |
| 16:37.13 | luke-jr | Is there a way to mark my bug as a blocker for Wheezy's freeze? |
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| 16:37.54 | zleslie | Howdy |
| 16:38.09 | ansgar | luke-jr: Why should it block the freeze? |
| 16:38.09 | zleslie | I have a question about DI and preseed. |
| 16:38.12 | sweb | tremon: using SID version for some packages like php5 is not safe ? |
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| 16:38.24 | luke-jr | ansgar: the version currently in wheezy is unmaintained and has known security vulns |
| 16:38.43 | tremon | sweb: not really, there are no security updates for testing/sid |
| 16:38.43 | mofino | hey, i'm having trouble mirroring Debian backports. The index for binary-amd64/Packages.diff appears to be invalid. |
| 16:38.57 | zleslie | I have the line d-i netcfg/get_domain string unassigned-domain. The note about this line in the example configuration says that DHCP values will take precedence, but I am still prompted to hit enter to confirm the value handed out by my dhcp server. |
| 16:38.59 | mofino | refers to files that do not exist. |
| 16:39.02 | zleslie | Is there anyway to get rid of this? |
| 16:39.31 | ansgar | luke-jr: Then file a RC bug, but that would not block the freeze, but more likely get the package removed (if it has no rdeps). Which package is this about? |
| 16:39.43 | luke-jr | ansgar: bitcoind - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665922 |
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| 16:39.51 | mofino | zleslie, try filling in some default values, dhcp will still take over |
| 16:39.52 | imdea | Hi anyone here has experience with xen and debian? |
| 16:40.03 | smhar | maybe a basic question first: I have an eth and wifi (AP mode) devices. I want eth to be a static IP and wifi to give IP via DHCP, I put the static IP in /etc/network/interfaces as 192.168.1.2 |
| 16:40.04 | mofino | zleslie, perhaps your dhcp server is missing a single value, causing the prompting |
| 16:40.06 | luke-jr | ansgar: since it's before the freeze, couldn't it get bumped to a maintained version? |
| 16:40.10 | tremon | zleslie: just enter some value. The dhcp values will override what you put there (I'd classify it as a bug) |
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| 16:40.31 | smhar | where should I set the DHCP settings for the wifi, and what IP range should I choose |
| 16:40.51 | zleslie | tremon: mofino, by preseed line has unassigned-domain though, should this not be enough? |
| 16:41.17 | mofino | zleslie, off the top of my head, i dont know, but just fill it in anwyay |
| 16:41.19 | tremon | zleslie: let me check my config |
| 16:41.22 | ansgar | luke-jr: Sure, if someone does that. But I would include some details about the security issue and upgrade the bug's severity. |
| 16:41.22 | zleslie | Also, my DHCP server is handing out the correct domain. I literally have to type nothing, since what is in the box for domain is correct |
| 16:41.49 | mofino | zleslie, fair to say it may be a bug and to just workaround it |
| 16:41.57 | zleslie | Here is the example I worked to build my templaet from: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt |
| 16:42.34 | Whiskey | Anyone know when Debian 7 comes? |
| 16:42.48 | zleslie | WIR, I expect |
| 16:43.02 | tremon | zleslie: ah yes, I remember. Try adding domain=x on the installer command line, that worked for me last time I used it |
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| 16:43.20 | tremon | (or domain=no-domain, unassinged, etc) |
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| 16:43.31 | tremon | s/ng/gn/ |
| 16:43.35 | Whiskey | -_- |
| 16:43.53 | zleslie | tremon: I'll give it a test, thanks |
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| 16:44.20 | luke-jr | ansgar: how do I upgrade the bug's severity? |
| 16:44.24 | tremon | zleslie: just to be sure, that's /kernel/ command line naturally |
| 16:44.47 | zleslie | tremon: oh, in pxelinux? |
| 16:44.51 | zleslie | right |
| 16:45.42 | ansgar | luke-jr: Bcc: control@bugs.debian.org and include "severity <bugnr> <new-severity>", "thanks" in the first two lines. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities for severity levels |
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| 16:46.07 | ansgar | luke-jr: and http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control for more information about the mail interface to manipulate bugs. |
| 16:46.37 | tremon | zleslie: I had to specify locale, hostname and domain there to avoid the installer from asking about them. I believe it's because these questions are asked before the preseed file is loaded |
| 16:46.47 | ansgar | luke-jr: (You can also tag the bug with "tag <bugnr> + security".) |
| 16:46.55 | useless-eater | nettee packaged for debian? couldnt find it |
| 16:47.22 | luke-jr | ansgar: does "grave" sound right, or should I bump it up to "critical" since it can cause financial loss? |
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| 16:48.34 | ansgar | luke-jr: Everything can cause financial loss ;) Though "grave" seems right without knowing any details. |
| 16:49.38 | luke-jr | fair enough |
| 16:49.48 | mofino | luke-jr, which bug? |
| 16:49.56 | luke-jr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665922 |
| 16:49.59 | mofino | thanks |
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| 16:53.17 | converge | I have a script (python /opt/openerp/web/openerp-web.py) being initialized on boot, but I dont need it anymore, how can I stop/remove it of the boot process ? |
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| 16:54.12 | petemc | converge: that depends how you originally configured it |
| 16:54.25 | petemc | you could grep in /etc for that filename |
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| 16:56.03 | converge | petemc: I had a script /etc/init.d/openerp-server , that was calling that python script |
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| 16:56.10 | Trewas | luke-jr: a newer version is in unstable, so I wouldn't worry too much about having an old version in testing now |
| 16:57.16 | deb_user | i get the error No irq handler for vector (irq -1) when booting my debian server. This happened after an upgrade. Now I can't boot. Any suggestions? Thanks. |
| 16:57.33 | luke-jr | Trewas: it's only a concern because I heard wheezy was about to freeze, and the version it has is known flawed |
| 16:58.12 | deb_user | googlin this error shows a hardware error. How do I return to a previous state on the machine? |
| 16:58.23 | tremon | luke-jr: maybe you can help fix the issues? https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?arch=mips&pkg=bitcoin |
| 16:58.29 | useless-eater | cant find "rawrec", any good alternatives? or maybe it got renamed? anyone knows? |
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| 16:58.54 | luke-jr | tremon: bitcoind never has worked on big-endian, and fixing it is very non-trivial |
| 16:59.00 | zleslie | tremon: that sounds accurate. Anyway, it worked nicely. Thanks for the tip |
| 16:59.22 | luke-jr | tremon: I bet those 0.3 mips builds don't actually work |
| 16:59.26 | tremon | luke-jr: ah, maybe include that in the bug report. According to that page, earlier versions built succesfully |
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| 16:59.52 | Trewas | luke-jr: wasn't the freeze planned for june? that's still a couple of months |
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| 17:02.56 | luke-jr | tremon: heh, the only reason the 0.4 and 0.5 builds fail is because that's when we added the test suite, and *that* is catching the issues ;) |
| 17:03.06 | tremon | lols |
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| 17:04.05 | luke-jr | on that topic, what does Debian usually do when a package only works on LE? |
| 17:04.25 | tremon | luke-jr: please do add to the bug report that big-endian doesn't work. the arches can be blacklisted iirc |
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| 17:04.37 | deb_user | valdyn: are you available? |
| 17:04.38 | luke-jr | tremon: yep, added that |
| 17:04.56 | tremon | thanks |
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| 17:05.34 | valdyn | deb_user: for what? |
| 17:05.50 | deb_user | I just have a question. You seemed to have some insight yesterday on my problem. |
| 17:06.14 | valdyn | deb_user: just ask |
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| 17:06.23 | boston8372 | if i have a semi toasted debian boot disk (stuff is on it, but wont boot beautifully, and another fine boot disk, can I plop the semi-dead one in as drive 2 and manually mount it to get a few critical files off of it (is so what command) thx |
| 17:06.30 | deb_user | valdyn: i get the error No irq handler for vector (irq -1) when booting my debian server. This happened after an upgrade. Now I can't boot. Any suggestions? Thanks. |
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| 17:07.05 | valdyn | deb_user: theres a possible solution printed aswell, you should try that |
| 17:07.10 | valdyn | deb_user: other than that i dont know |
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| 17:09.12 | deb_user | valdyn: is there a way to roll back to a previous version using grub? |
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| 17:09.55 | valdyn | deb_user: if theres more kernels listed in grub, yes |
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| 17:10.14 | deb_user | valdyn: if not, what other options might I have? |
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| 17:10.23 | valdyn | deb_user: that would be a kernel much older than that upgrade I think |
| 17:10.42 | valdyn | deb_user: what if the suggested fix doesnt work? |
| 17:10.56 | deb_user | valdyn: i mean, i don't have other kernel options in grub |
| 17:10.56 | valdyn | deb_user: worst case you need to boot a live-cd and fix things from there |
| 17:11.06 | deb_user | valdyn: got it, thanks |
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| 17:13.27 | vehicle | Hi, just wanted some verification whether using Debian Stable with backports kernel and xorg would be all that's necessary for Sandy Bridge platform |
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| 17:14.21 | Nucleus | Hello. I have a processor I7 i don't find any way to download the debian for intel 64 processors only for 32b. Also i don't know what is the difference between Kfreebsd and the normal. |
| 17:14.22 | imdea | Hi anyone here has experience with xen and debian? |
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| 17:16.02 | boston8372 | Nucleus u mean AMD64 |
| 17:16.22 | boston8372 | u need AMD64 for all Intel 64 |
| 17:16.27 | boston8372 | it was just a naming convention |
| 17:16.53 | converge | I have a script (/etc/init.d/my-script) being initialized on boot, but I dont need it anymore, how can I stop/remove it of the boot process ? |
| 17:17.52 | tremon | converge: update-rc.d |
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| 17:19.07 | converge | tremon: when I wanna remove a script from booting process all I need is to remove the script from /etc/init.d/ and run update-rc.d ? |
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| 17:19.28 | smhar | in dreamplug device using squeeze, where should I set the DHCP settings for the wifi to make the device give IP to connected clients? |
| 17:20.11 | tremon | converge: man update-rc.d, first line of the synopsis |
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| 17:22.58 | cro | where are the real kernel 3.1/2 files? |
| 17:23.13 | cro | I can`t find any |
| 17:23.30 | nkuttler | real kernel files? |
| 17:23.39 | cro | yes |
| 17:23.52 | nkuttler | what are you talking about |
| 17:24.02 | cro | there only seem to hang around these wrapper packages |
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| 17:24.12 | cro | not containing /boot/vmlinuz + modules |
| 17:24.30 | nkuttler | cro: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 17:24.55 | cro | for the 2.6 kernel it is easy to find: pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
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| 17:25.11 | cro | but there is no pool/main/l/linux-3.1/ |
| 17:25.50 | cro | the unstable packages should reside in pool as well? |
| 17:26.10 | boston8372 | well that GUI disk utility is pretty nice for us mounting noobs now isnt it |
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| 17:28.13 | Trewas | cro: the 3.x kernel's source package is still called linux-2.6 and they are in linux-2.6 directory in mirrors |
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| 17:28.41 | cro | Trewas: not in the main trunc? |
| 17:29.20 | cro | Trew2as: why only in mirrors? |
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| 17:30.29 | cro | how can I download them manually? |
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| 17:32.55 | Trewas | cro: just download them from a mirror, like http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ ? or am I not understanding something |
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| 17:33.53 | SparFuxXx | Hi! What is debian's default mail transport agent? Is it advisable to run without mta when having a webserver running for personal use? Can system mail be sent by directly calling mta (sendmail command) without having a daemon running? I would like to do this, because I get my mail by POP only. |
| 17:34.37 | Lukemob | hi, anybody has played with Xen? I'm looking for a way to bind IP address from my subnet to domU in a bridged setup |
| 17:35.20 | cro | Trewas: works! - why does it need to be a mirror? |
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| 17:35.54 | cro | Trewas: are there also debian-snapshots for 3.x kernels? |
| 17:36.14 | cro | like http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120327T160510Z/pool/main/l/linux-latest/ |
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| 17:37.59 | Trewas | cro: yes, linux-2.6 seems to be also present in snapshots |
| 17:38.19 | cro | oops; here! |
| 17:38.42 | nkuttler | SparFuxXx: exim is default, you can install nullmailer or somesuch |
| 17:39.26 | karlpinc | SparFuxXx: The installer will install exim4. You can run what you want. (I tend to prefer postfix.) It's advisable to have an mta running so the system can send you mail. Note that this does not mean that you need to accept inbound mail. Yes, you can call sendmail directly. |
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| 17:41.23 | fbs | can i pass arguments to dm-crypt/cryptsetup during install? |
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| 17:42.06 | tremon | fbs: don't think so, but you can bypass the installer and just do things manually (alt-f2) |
| 17:42.32 | fbs | tremon: then how do i get it to install the right stuff in the right places? |
| 17:43.18 | tremon | fbs: once you get to partman, just select "use existing partitioning" |
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| 17:43.28 | fbs | hmm, last time that failed me |
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| 17:46.54 | NetWalk | hey guys, anyone using clamfs and extended ACL ? |
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| 17:46.58 | tremon | fbs: I always do it like that, partitioning is my favourite ocd pastime |
| 17:47.02 | NetWalk | msg me please... |
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| 17:49.03 | foxtrot9 | anyone know of any tools to monitor status of large amounts of linux servers? |
| 17:49.37 | NetWalk | foxtrot9: Nagios for sure!! |
| 17:49.40 | foxtrot9 | say, a debian farm, that processes data |
| 17:49.54 | foxtrot9 | oh really? I'll jot that one down |
| 17:50.38 | foxtrot9 | NetWalk, is it open source? |
| 17:50.45 | NetWalk | yeah of course |
| 17:50.49 | fbs | tremon: does crypttab and stuff also get setup when i do it like that? |
| 17:50.57 | foxtrot9 | awesome |
| 17:51.00 | NetWalk | and add Centreon for nice web interface |
| 17:51.11 | NetWalk | check nagios demo |
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| 17:51.15 | foxtrot9 | neato |
| 17:51.43 | NetWalk | in fact there is also nice complete Nagios integration (live CD) |
| 17:52.06 | NetWalk | http://www.shinken-monitoring.org/ |
| 17:52.39 | ocmsRzr | Hello, I'm trying to use nm-applet to manage my wireless, and I have two problems. One is that I get an error saying that I have insufficient privileges and, if I can get by that one I get the message "no secrets for essid, asking user" and it repeatedly prompts me for the network passkey |
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| 17:52.55 | ocmsRzr | I've tried reinstalling all network related things to no avail |
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| 17:53.25 | tremon | fbs: not sure what you're asking, but if you manually setup crypttab and stuff, then yes, crypttab and stuff will also get setup |
| 17:53.47 | ocmsRzr | I'm running my xsession through xinitrc, and I'm a member of the network group. Previously I was using wicd, which works, but its spotty in connecting and staying connected when there are lots of access points with the same essid |
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| 17:55.08 | fbs | tremon: normally you just select encrypted partition and partman handles it all. But is it smart enough to still do that when i manually do 'luksformat luksopen mkfs etc' ? |
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| 17:56.28 | tremon | fbs: I wouldn't do that manually (but it's possible). Just create the partitions with whatever tool you want, and the the partman-installer handle the creation of encryption, volume groups and filesystems |
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| 17:56.56 | bonks | Is there a way to view current voltage of my amd video card in debian stable? |
| 17:57.12 | fbs | tremon: the thing is that i want to pass 'align-payload=8192' to cryptsetup |
| 17:57.26 | kevlarman | bonks: afaik they don't report their voltage, only their clocks |
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| 17:58.00 | bonks | kevlarman: hmm, i'm trying to verify my configuration for its voltage is working and i can't figure a way =/ |
| 17:58.05 | kevlarman | (and this differs greatly between generations of graphics cards and drivers) |
| 17:58.19 | fbs | bonks: get your multimeter out :P |
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| 17:58.33 | kevlarman | fbs: it won't fit in a pcie slot :P |
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| 17:59.54 | tremon | fbs: I think you can invoke cryptsetup manually, then give partman the passphrase that you used to create it. Never tried though |
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| 18:00.15 | fbs | tremon: hmm |
| 18:00.23 | tremon | fbs: you do need the partman-crypto module obviously (not loaded by default) |
| 18:00.42 | fbs | yeah |
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| 18:00.53 | NetWalk | hey guys, anyone using clamfs and extended ACL ? |
| 18:01.24 | yang | how come that packages.qa.debian.org show 3 years old information about "chromium" package and say it has been "removed" ? |
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| 18:03.10 | SparFuxXx | karlpinc: yes, I won't accept inbound mail for security reasons and so i don't have to run the exim daemon? |
| 18:03.11 | valdyn | judd: versions chromium |
| 18:03.12 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 17.0.963.83~r127885-1; wheezy: 17.0.963.83~r127885-1 |
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| 18:03.48 | valdyn | yang: chromium was a game, not a browser |
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| 18:04.08 | valdyn | yang: the browser used to be "chromium-browser" |
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| 18:05.36 | sgn | I'm running a camera surveillance solution which was working perfectly on lenny. On squeeze I get the same image on both channels from a bttv interface |
| 18:05.44 | sgn | same software, just different dist |
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| 18:07.31 | kidkidna | hi! |
| 18:08.00 | karlpinc | SparFuxXx: You do need to run it, you just need to tell it no inbound mail. If you don't run it you can't send outbound mail. Use dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 18:08.59 | guardian | hi there, if i want to allow ssh shell access in a chroot jail, which commands is it sensible to disable? |
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| 18:10.11 | kidkidna | has anyone ever experienced this? "cannot execute binary file " even when the rights to the file are a+rwx |
| 18:10.13 | kidkidna | ? |
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| 18:11.30 | nsadmin | guardian rm, fdisk, mkfs, mv |
| 18:11.34 | tremon | kidkidna: yes. What does file say about it? |
| 18:12.02 | kidkidna | what do you mean? |
| 18:12.15 | mwalling_ | kidkidna: 'file <your thing? |
| 18:12.28 | Bromigo | Hello all, what is a good [or the default] apt source for Debian Squeeze? The one I used mirrored at USC has not updated, I get a "release file expired" error for squeeze-updates |
| 18:12.29 | nsadmin | seriously... it really depends on what the shell users would have to do |
| 18:12.49 | kidkidna | i mean: just compiled a hello world in c, tremon. |
| 18:13.00 | kidkidna | but i can't run it |
| 18:13.01 | tremon | kidkidna: your compiler is broken |
| 18:13.39 | kidkidna | argh! damn! |
| 18:13.58 | kidkidna | that means i need to un/install, huh? |
| 18:14.11 | mwalling | not always |
| 18:14.34 | nsadmin | well it's not that it's broken per se, it doesn't seem to be generating code for your running system |
| 18:14.37 | tremon | kidkidna: file a.out? |
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| 18:14.45 | kidkidna | nope |
| 18:14.53 | nkuttler | kidkidna: run that command.. |
| 18:14.56 | mwalling | kidkidna: no, 'file a.out' is a command |
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| 18:15.22 | kidkidna | nsadmin, what do you mean? |
| 18:15.24 | nsadmin | we're not asking you if you have filed a.out... |
| 18:15.52 | tremon | kidkidna: man 1 file might help, or tell us the exact command you used to compile it |
| 18:15.56 | nkuttler | kidkidna: pastebin your program, the command you used to compile it, how you call it and the output |
| 18:15.57 | nsadmin | so there is a file called a.out? |
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| 18:16.33 | GVolkmann | Hi all. Since you cannot md raid /boot, how do you make sure your boot images are safe and redundant in the event of an hdd failure? |
| 18:16.48 | nkuttler | GVolkmann: a raid is not a backup |
| 18:17.02 | jbrks | GVolkmann, i thinkyou can raid /boot |
| 18:17.03 | nkuttler | GVolkmann: so... start doing backups |
| 18:17.05 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.05 | kidkidna | #include <stdio.h> |
| 18:17.05 | kidkidna | int main(void){ |
| 18:17.05 | kidkidna | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.05 | kidkidna | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.05 | kidkidna | } |
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| 18:17.10 | tremon | GVolkmann: as nkuttler says, /boot does not need high availability |
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| 18:17.22 | tremon | silently lols |
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| 18:17.53 | nsadmin | salutes the silent lol and the bladeless knive without a handle... |
| 18:18.17 | jbrks | laughs as he has 2 systems with /boot in raid |
| 18:18.18 | nkuttler | !tell kidkidna about paste |
| 18:18.30 | nsadmin | kidkidna, try this... aptitude install nopaste |
| 18:18.49 | nkuttler | btw, shouldn't he be on #c or something? |
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| 18:19.14 | nsadmin | at this point it's support about getting his compiler to even work |
| 18:19.24 | nkuttler | yeah, you're probably right |
| 18:19.32 | nsadmin | he's not asking a language question |
| 18:19.44 | movl | kidkidna: why return 1;? |
| 18:19.48 | movl | o.o |
| 18:19.52 | nkuttler | was wondering about that as well |
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| 18:20.43 | nsadmin | maybe he doesn't know that 0 exit status means success and anything nonzero could be an error code |
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| 18:21.34 | kidkidna | movl, i don't know. |
| 18:21.47 | nkuttler | kidkidna: please paste the things i asked for (not here) |
| 18:22.16 | nsadmin | wait a sec on the paste... (we have someone that doesn't know some of the definitions) |
| 18:22.28 | Bromigo | Does anyone know the official apt sources for Squeeze? Google is no help |
| 18:22.36 | boston8372 | you guys know the location of the video driver (can i just grab it off another box as I have 2 drives, old and new) |
| 18:22.42 | jbrks | !mirror |
| 18:22.42 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:23.04 | boston8372 | 2 mounted drives i mean |
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| 18:23.21 | nkuttler | kidkidna: in public please |
| 18:23.36 | Bromigo | !apt |
| 18:23.36 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 18:23.36 | kidkidna | in dpkg? |
| 18:23.54 | nkuttler | kidkidna: here in the channel, your link |
| 18:23.55 | tremon | boston8372: the video driver is usually located at the left front seat, unless the monitor is swedish or british |
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| 18:24.17 | jbrks | Bromigo, msg privately dpkg if you're not relating to somebody's question in public (avoids textual clutter) |
| 18:24.27 | Bromigo | got it |
| 18:24.43 | tremon | hides |
| 18:24.44 | nsadmin | Bromigo, there are a few conversations going right now, and, it would be more focused on the channel if you were to msg the bot |
| 18:24.52 | guardian | i have box directly connected to the internet, that does shared hosting. do i need to include "/etc/bind/zones.rfc1918"; in named.conf.local? |
| 18:25.14 | nsadmin | oh, oops, what he said :) |
| 18:25.38 | nsadmin | kidkidna, try this: aptitude install nopaste |
| 18:25.47 | tremon | guardian: you should always do that, unless you're running a zone that overlaps these networks |
| 18:25.49 | nsadmin | let's see, |
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| 18:25.58 | nsadmin | , versions nopaste |
| 18:26.00 | judd | No package named 'nopaste' was found in i386. |
| 18:26.20 | guardian | ok but it's not the defaults it seems |
| 18:26.29 | kidkidna | what is it? |
| 18:26.36 | nsadmin | ok, change that to: aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 18:27.00 | nsadmin | it's a handy command that accepts output and pastebins it |
| 18:27.07 | nkuttler | here's his previous paste http://paste.debian.net/161164/ .. i don't think you can build simple c with g++? but then, i'm not a c coder.. |
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| 18:27.33 | nsadmin | I'm not a ccoder either... I'm a pprogrammer... |
| 18:27.40 | kidkidna | no you can't but. |
| 18:27.40 | tremon | guardian: most people use bind to manage a local zone, which conflicts with (at least some) of the zones in rfc1918 |
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| 18:27.42 | movl | :))) |
| 18:27.48 | guardian | ok |
| 18:27.51 | guardian | thank you |
| 18:27.52 | kidkidna | but i tried in both c and c++ |
| 18:27.59 | yescalona | how to install and run testdisk from the rescue mode of install cd of debian to get removed data??? help |
| 18:28.00 | kidkidna | it gave me the same errors |
| 18:28.20 | guardian | tremon: how can i test which server does the lookup? $ host? |
| 18:28.29 | nsadmin | try aptitude install build-essential |
| 18:28.33 | tremon | kidkidna: try again without -c |
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| 18:29.20 | nsadmin | the -c should get you a .o file, which is the code, but not executable |
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| 18:29.27 | jbrks | yescalona, testdisk doesnt restore data, it can try to guess what the partition table should be, and write a new table if requested |
| 18:29.33 | kidkidna | oh! |
| 18:29.33 | tremon | guardian: question is not clear. If you want to know which server is being used by the current machine as dns server, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:29.39 | kidkidna | well done. It worked. |
| 18:29.47 | kidkidna | thanks a whole lot. |
| 18:30.35 | somiaj | JJCale: I don't use LXDE, but my guess is you need it (as it is what is set up to allow you to start/stop the computer) |
| 18:30.47 | guardian | ok |
| 18:30.54 | nsadmin | kidkidna, so you should review what the parts of the compiler are, and how to get the compiler to stop before doing all of them |
| 18:31.34 | nsadmin | for example, -c tells it to stop after making the .o file (which is right after the assembler) |
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| 18:32.28 | kidkidna | ok. |
| 18:32.49 | kidkidna | nsadmin, it seems so |
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| 18:33.22 | yescalona | jbrks, but in this http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk:_undelete_file_for_ext2 said you can recover deleted files. I have run testdisk from a debian live cd |
| 18:33.27 | nsadmin | kidkidna, the info pages of gcc is really the book "Using and Porting GNU CC" and may be considered non-free for legal reasons which someone will go into if you ask |
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| 18:34.44 | nsadmin | meanwhile, that's the definitive reference, and you should look over "invoking" when you want to do something with the compiler |
| 18:35.21 | An_Ony_Moose | what's the best tool you know to stream FLAC into WAV, preferably into a pipe for further processing? |
| 18:35.43 | nsadmin | now, having said all this, you seem to be all set... are you starting out learning c/c++? |
| 18:36.34 | nsadmin | so you want to output a .wav stream? |
| 18:36.52 | tremon | An_Ony_Moose: flac |
| 18:37.22 | tremon | An_Ony_Moose: was that a trick question? |
| 18:37.27 | kidkidna | nsadmin, yes |
| 18:37.30 | kidkidna | kinda |
| 18:37.33 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:37.45 | An_Ony_Moose | tremon: thanks for answering my question and making me feel like an idiot :D |
| 18:38.01 | tremon | yw :) |
| 18:38.15 | nsadmin | actually we're out of stock on idiot feelings... |
| 18:38.18 | jbrks | yescalona, there are already rescue kits made with tools to do this, but i dont use them(notable such as the projects-- ultimatebootcd and sysrescuecd) |
| 18:38.32 | nsadmin | you'll just have to supply your own :) |
| 18:39.12 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: well I did |
| 18:39.23 | An_Ony_Moose | um |
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| 18:40.57 | An_Ony_Moose | maybe I should ask a more generic question about what I actually want to do. How would I go about converting a bunch of FLACs into OGGs while maintaining directory structure? so I have flac/Artist-Album/Track.Song.flac and want to transcode to ogg/Artist-Album/Track.Song.ogg |
| 18:41.23 | nsadmin | let's start with maintaining a dir structure |
| 18:41.36 | NetWalk | hey guys, anyone using clamfs and extended ACL ? |
| 18:41.39 | nsadmin | err hold that thought, brb |
| 18:41.48 | tremon | An_Ony_Moose: ooh, my favourite. do you want it with or without tags? |
| 18:42.30 | An_Ony_Moose | tremon: with. The tags are already present in the FLACs |
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| 18:43.37 | nkuttler | just curious, but why would you want ogg if you already have flac? |
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| 18:43.55 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, i'm not an expert in this, but if you're thinking about transcoding flac into something else besides wav, maybe ffmpeg would be a suitable candidate |
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| 18:44.11 | eugenmayer | where is the system-wide firefox / iceweasel plugin folder located? |
| 18:44.14 | An_Ony_Moose | I figure I could copy flac/ to ogg/ then find ogg -type f -exec oggenc "{}" ";" |
| 18:44.21 | nkuttler | flac (1) can output wav, which can be encoded to ogg. but tags would probably be lost |
| 18:44.34 | tremon | flac -d $file | oggenc ${file//flac/ogg} ; metaflac --export-tags-to=- $file | vorbiscomment -w ${file//flac/ogg} |
| 18:44.34 | abrotman | eugenmayer: /usr/lib/<browser>/plugins/ ? |
| 18:44.41 | An_Ony_Moose | then find ogg -name "*.flac" -exec rm "{}" ";" |
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| 18:45.00 | An_Ony_Moose | but that would be a waste of time because copying 100GB isn't all too quick |
| 18:45.04 | eugenmayer | abrotman: yes, thats where iam currently looking at, the vmware-vmrc so is symlinked there, but still not loaded |
| 18:45.27 | abrotman | eugenmayer: you must close all instances of the browser to have it reread that dir |
| 18:45.36 | nsadmin | An_Ony_Moose, right, I was just going to suggest find as a command that understands the recursive nature of directory structure and accepts an expression |
| 18:45.49 | eugenmayer | abrotman: sure, also double-checked with htop |
| 18:45.51 | An_Ony_Moose | jbrks: oggenc can convert flacs directly, just checking if the tags are there afterwards |
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| 18:46.13 | daenney | say guys, isn't Lenny supposed to be on archive.debian.org by now? |
| 18:46.14 | abrotman | eugenmayer: why is it symlinked? which dir did you actuallyput the symlink in ? |
| 18:46.16 | eugenmayer | abrotman: flash / java is available, but that vmware plugin is not.. :/ |
| 18:46.16 | An_Ony_Moose | yup oggenc preserves the tags |
| 18:46.27 | yescalona | jbrks, what is your favorite program to rescue erased files?? |
| 18:46.38 | eugenmayer | abrotman: i think they are always symlinked ( looks like that ) also the "java.so" is symlinked |
| 18:46.56 | eugenmayer | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 73 27. Mär 20:33 np-vmware-vmrc-e.x.p-444321.so -> /usr/lib/vmware-vmrc/vCloudDirector-1.5/np-vmware-vmrc-e.x.p-444321-32.so |
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| 18:46.58 | abrotman | eugenmayer: i used to put the flash .so right in there .. |
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| 18:47.04 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: I could also use find to make a huge number of symlinks to each individual flac then do pretty much the same thing except I'm removing the symlinks instead of copies of the original FLAC files |
| 18:47.17 | abrotman | eugenmayer: dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 18:47.29 | eugenmayer | abrotman: i386 |
| 18:47.30 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: would that make sense? |
| 18:47.35 | abrotman | eugenmayer: file /path/to/real/file.so |
| 18:47.39 | nsadmin | I might have suggested to run find on the flac dir structure and create dirs in the same structure off of ogg/ and at each point convert all flacs in the one place to oggs in the other |
| 18:47.39 | jbrks | yescalona, i never used any.. you can try one of those two cd projects i mention, they both include testdisk/ and undelete tools -- they keep updating these cd projects to the month |
| 18:47.50 | nsadmin | yeah, symlink farm |
| 18:47.56 | eugenmayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.00 | eugenmayer | abrotman: ^^ |
| 18:48.04 | abrotman | i see :) |
| 18:48.12 | eugenmayer | Sorry. |
| 18:48.24 | abrotman | eugenmayer: what are the perms of the .so ? 755 ? |
| 18:49.16 | eugenmayer | abrotman: -rw-r--r-- |
| 18:49.27 | nsadmin | 644 |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | is the flash.so 755 ? |
| 18:49.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: no shit, really? |
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| 18:49.51 | eugenmayer | iam root anyway abrotman - dont wonder. Thats just a vncserver remote testclient to upload VMs to the vCloud webinterface |
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| 18:50.04 | nsadmin | you're comparing one person's knowledge to another's |
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| 18:50.36 | abrotman | eugenmayer: i wasn't worried about you being root or not .. i wonder if the plugins have to be +x or if +r is enough |
| 18:50.54 | eugenmayer | abrotman: +x - no. +r ( world readable ) so should be fine |
| 18:51.18 | eugenmayer | ls -la /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
| 18:51.18 | eugenmayer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77510 4. Mai 2011 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
| 18:51.21 | nsadmin | so... without +r, you wouldn't be able to read it |
| 18:51.28 | eugenmayer | so, looks good actually, java has the same permisssions |
| 18:51.34 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/572178/ |
| 18:51.47 | eugenmayer | nsadmin: iam the owner. Please dont start the basics. |
| 18:52.05 | eugenmayer | abrotman: interestingly, i cant finde the flash.so there. Hrm |
| 18:52.08 | abrotman | eugenmayer: strace iceweasel -o /tmp/stupidplugin.out .. make sure you've quit all instances first |
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| 18:52.27 | abrotman | eugenmayer: then look in the strace to see what happens when it loads that file .. you'll have to grep for it likely |
| 18:52.49 | eugenmayer | abrotman: iam using firefox ATM, just uninstalled iceweasel as VMware does not "officially" support it, so i tried to avoid it. But i can shorty reinstall iceweasel, no issues |
| 18:52.52 | nsadmin | eugenmayer, just saying... how can you execute something you can't read |
| 18:53.17 | eugenmayer | abrotman: let me try that with FF |
| 18:53.21 | abrotman | eugenmayer: well, whichever .. see if it is even looking for it ,etc |
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| 18:54.24 | nsadmin | An_Ony_Moose, looks like it'd work |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | nsadmin: like a directory ? |
| 18:54.46 | cro | I have downloaded a 3.x kernel-pae, but trying to install it it says: damages initramfs-tools. |
| 18:55.01 | cro | If I force Installation I get a black screen on boot |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | nsadmin: unless i'm mistaken, if you have +x on /usr/bin/ and not +r, you can still execute something in /usr/bin/ .. i may be wrong |
| 18:55.06 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, i can already see lots of mistakes, dont both using rm automatically -- ( i would the app tee to log everything) |
| 18:55.08 | stevieman | I'm getting log roation errors from awstats for sites that I am no longer tracking. Anyone know how to remove the log rotation? |
| 18:55.32 | abrotman | looks around for greycat and expects a smack in the back of the head |
| 18:55.44 | eugenmayer | abrotman: what the..does not output to file.. strace firefox -o/tmp/test |
| 18:55.44 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: no, it won't :P |
| 18:56.08 | abrotman | eugenmayer: it may be -O .. |
| 18:56.18 | eugenmayer | abrotman: no, man told me -o…odd |
| 18:56.18 | abrotman | nope, should be -o |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | it might be stderr vs stdout ? |
| 18:56.28 | An_Ony_Moose | jbrks: I'm no expert, which is why I'm asking here :P |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | eugenmayer: redirect both to stdout ? |
| 18:56.46 | eugenmayer | will do |
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| 18:57.06 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, "ls -la |tee mylog.txt" , for eg .. it's useful because you may delete something which didnt fully convert properly |
| 18:57.18 | tremon | eugenmayer: try strace -o /tmp/test firefox |
| 18:57.30 | An_Ony_Moose | jbrks: I'm only deleting symlinks... |
| 18:57.37 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, and you're also not checking for success or failures in the script.. |
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| 18:57.55 | jbrks | (checking/success result codes from the convert command) |
| 18:58.08 | eugenmayer | tremo: odd.works. Wasnt aware linux is as sensible as unix at this point |
| 18:58.18 | abrotman | tremon: thanks, silly me .. i was half paying attention when i wrote that |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | eugenmayer: it was passing the -o to FF |
| 18:58.38 | tremon | eugenmayer: it must be. arguments following the executable are for the executable, not strace |
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| 18:58.52 | nsadmin | abrotman: nope... permission denied |
| 18:58.55 | tremon | yeah, what he said |
| 18:59.08 | An_Ony_Moose | jbrks: please do suggest how to improve it with an example? |
| 18:59.10 | eugenmayer | abrotman: ..ah makes sense. Well strace does not include anything like that file |
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| 18:59.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: i'll double check later .. i'm cursing at ldap right now :) |
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| 18:59.34 | abrotman | eugenmayer: which means it may still be running ? |
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| 18:59.49 | abrotman | eugenmayer: don't forget about the plugin framework .. that can't be running either |
| 19:00.03 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, i thought i gave a hint.. use the result code of the convert command-- you'd need to use a loop.. also use tee to log everything |
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| 19:00.55 | jbrks | ,(guessing firemyscript.sh |tee log.txt) |
| 19:00.55 | eugenmayer | abrotman: neither iceweasel nor firefox is running, dont show up in htop or ps aux |
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| 19:01.18 | tremon | has anyone setup encrypted root with automatic keyfile on debian? I want to encrypt my disk but don't want to use a keyfile, not a passphrase |
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| 19:01.38 | tremon | err... *do want* to use a keyfile |
| 19:01.39 | nsadmin | abrotman: mkdir dtst ; cd dtst ; echo "echo a" > a ; chmod +x a ; ./a ; chmod -r a ; ./a |
| 19:01.46 | nsadmin | use that :) |
| 19:01.50 | abrotman | nsadmin: not what i meant |
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| 19:02.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: FWIW, you can cd into a dir with +x, but not ls it .. |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | eugenmayer: perhaps the symlink should be somewhere else? |
| 19:02.43 | An_Ony_Moose | screw this I'll use the GUI tool. I fail at bash! Thanks for helping though |
| 19:02.55 | guardian | i can't find php 5.4 in squeeze backports, i read an announce saying it was i backports though. is there anything special to do? |
| 19:03.02 | eugenmayer | abrotman: jap, that was my initial guess, thats why i asked. Just installed iceweasel - not working |
| 19:03.12 | nsadmin | understood... and, I thought this was about +x-r on a file |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | directories are files |
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| 19:03.46 | eugenmayer | abrotman: now you go all down to inodes :) |
| 19:04.06 | nsadmin | no, as evidenced by no ability to do certain things on a dir that you could on a file |
| 19:04.07 | abrotman | eugenmayer: squeeze? wheezy? |
| 19:04.13 | An_Ony_Moose | and sorry for having wasted your time jbrks ... |
| 19:04.14 | eugenmayer | sq |
| 19:04.23 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 19:04.26 | abrotman | not you .. nsadmin |
| 19:04.27 | eugenmayer | abrotman: no frankendbiean. Squeeuze |
| 19:04.32 | An_Ony_Moose | and nsadmin |
| 19:04.33 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, #bash (you can type "help for" for eg in bash to show the built-in help) |
| 19:04.48 | somiaj | seems that the +r bit on directories is for reading the file structor, but doens't stop reading anything on the inside (provided you can execute it) |
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| 19:05.07 | cro | How can it be possible to install a 3.x and 2.6 kernel instantaneously if initramfs-tools won`t do the trick? |
| 19:05.08 | nsadmin | An_Ony_Moose, sometimes it takes a sounding board |
| 19:05.10 | abrotman | eugenmayer: does it even look in the plugins dir that you symlinked from ? |
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| 19:05.11 | An_Ony_Moose | jbrks: yeah, I know how to use bash basically but I'm just not good with this kind of thinking. Give me python any day :P |
| 19:05.13 | eugenmayer | abrotman: with a small xfc / vnc4server, thats pretty it. Nothing really fance, just a pretty new / fresh VM |
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| 19:05.21 | eugenmayer | abrotman: sec |
| 19:05.33 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, there's also ("help test") which can help decide what to use -- and " $? " to be used with error result code checking |
| 19:05.42 | abrotman | eugenmayer: bbiaf .. real work calls :) |
| 19:05.54 | eugenmayer | abrotman: thank you a lot anyway!! |
| 19:05.58 | eugenmayer | abrotman++ |
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| 19:06.26 | nsadmin | An_Ony_Moose, shell things are powerful alright, but some expressions in the shell are not so readable |
| 19:06.44 | eugenmayer | nsadmin: use a different shell then ,-) |
| 19:06.55 | nsadmin | scsh! |
| 19:06.57 | cheako | I need a CD iso to boot this PIII? I'm doing recovery so a live CD would be helpfull. |
| 19:07.13 | An_Ony_Moose | indeed. Which is why I like programming in non-shell environments better |
| 19:07.19 | eugenmayer | cheako: i prefer grml |
| 19:07.20 | An_Ony_Moose | (such as python :P) |
| 19:07.36 | eugenmayer | An_Ony_Moose: bash is ugly. period. |
| 19:08.10 | nsadmin | An_Ony_Moose, and, in this env it's VERY handy to understand the shell... especially if you're coding |
| 19:08.23 | An_Ony_Moose | eugenmayer: agreed. |
| 19:08.33 | An_Ony_Moose | nsadmin: I understand it I'm just not good at using it |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | eugenmayer: so the strace log says it's reading /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ ? |
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| 19:09.00 | cheako | eugenmayer: I'll try, but I need old as a 6.0.4 barfs after the GRUB menu. |
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| 19:09.17 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, ls; echo $? , shows success or failure of the ls command |
| 19:09.20 | eugenmayer | abrotman: no - i does not actually include any "plugin" keyword. very odd |
| 19:09.32 | jbrks | ^ basically you use $? in an if test |
| 19:10.24 | nsadmin | jbrks, or if ls foo ; then ... |
| 19:10.25 | jbrks | An_Ony_Moose, even if you dont know what to do with a failed converting, at least it'll be logged |
| 19:10.51 | abrotman | eugenmayer: /win 4 |
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| 19:11.00 | abrotman | eugenmayer: ignore that :) |
| 19:11.03 | eugenmayer | abrotman: oO |
| 19:11.03 | eugenmayer | :D |
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| 19:11.09 | nsadmin | or if you're testing for existance, if test -e foo ; then... |
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| 19:13.10 | eugenmayer | abrotman: intereseting, using iceweasel and the install to put it under /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 19:13.14 | eugenmayer | abrotman: it finally works |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | wonders where FF was looking |
| 19:13.40 | abrotman | eugenmayer: oh, is there a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ? |
| 19:13.58 | eugenmayer | abrotman: it works for actually only iceweasel then, not FF |
| 19:14.14 | eugenmayer | abrotman: gotcha! |
| 19:14.25 | cro | how can I let initrds be generated for the newly installed 3.x kernels? |
| 19:14.25 | eugenmayer | abrotman: and here we go, flash inclduded |
| 19:14.29 | eugenmayer | abrotman++ |
| 19:14.33 | eugenmayer | bets a fiver |
| 19:14.33 | cro | update-initramfs -u doesn`t do it |
| 19:14.50 | valdyn | cro: what kernels, where from? |
| 19:15.02 | cro | it just generates for the 2.6 kernel though I have also given -k all |
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| 19:15.16 | abrotman | eugenmayer: do i get a cookie? |
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| 19:15.21 | cro | yaldyn: 3.0.0 and 2.6.x |
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| 19:15.24 | jirka_on_d | hello all, could somebody give me a hint please, I'm on debian testing x386, but it seems that some recent update broke the apache / php5 installation, would anybody have some clue or similar experience please? |
| 19:15.35 | eugenmayer | hands over a huge cake to abrotman |
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| 19:15.53 | eugenmayer | abrotman: that works….you got it :) |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | yay cookie! |
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| 19:16.34 | abrotman | eugenmayer: kinda wish there was just a /usr/lib/browser_plugins/ .. oh well |
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| 19:16.53 | smhar | in dreamplug device using squeeze, where should I set the DHCP settings for the wifi to make the device give IP to connected clients? |
| 19:16.53 | valdyn | cro: -c This mode creates a new initramfs. |
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| 19:17.51 | cro | thx. just doing. |
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| 19:20.18 | nsadmin | smhar, you want to hand out IPs or get an IP? |
| 19:20.48 | NetWalk | hey guys, anyone using clamfs and extended ACL ? |
| 19:21.01 | smhar | nsadmin, I want to make the device an Access Point where I can use other clients to connect to it |
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| 19:21.28 | smhar | so it is : hand out IP |
| 19:21.32 | nsadmin | so, a dhcp server... do you have one installed? |
| 19:22.04 | smhar | nsadmin, yes |
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| 19:22.11 | nsadmin | which? |
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| 19:23.31 | smhar | dhcpd but it is not running |
| 19:23.45 | nsadmin | that is the name of the package? |
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| 19:24.17 | smhar | nsadmin, I have /etc/dhcp/ and /etc/dhcp3/ |
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| 19:24.36 | nsadmin | so maybe you that two installed |
| 19:24.48 | smhar | nsadmin, what should I do? |
| 19:25.10 | nsadmin | find the packages for each of those |
| 19:25.29 | smhar | how? |
| 19:26.01 | nsadmin | , file etc/dhcp |
| 19:26.08 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 19:26.16 | nsadmin | , file etc/dhcp3 |
| 19:26.20 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 19:26.36 | nsadmin | hmm. the packaging must have created those |
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| 19:27.02 | smhar | nsadmin, but those are directories, each of which has some files |
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| 19:27.12 | nsadmin | did you install the dhcp server recently? if so, can you show the exact command you used? |
| 19:29.02 | smhar | nsadmin, the device used ti 'get' IP for its eth. so I issued apt-get install dhcp3-server to get dhcp for the wifi |
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| 19:29.23 | smhar | not sure that I did the right thing though |
| 19:29.38 | smhar | s/ti/to |
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| 19:30.35 | nsadmin | smhar, ok, take a look in these: /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server and /etc/dhcp |
| 19:30.49 | nsadmin | sorry, /etc/dhcp3 |
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| 19:31.20 | smhar | nsadmin, the first has: changelog.Debian.gz copyright README.Debian |
| 19:31.41 | nsadmin | read the last one |
| 19:31.51 | smhar | nsadmin, the second has: dhclient.conf dhclient-enter-hooks.d dhclient-exit-hooks.d |
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| 19:34.00 | nsadmin | smhar, that second dir doesn't seem to have any files related to the server (only the client) |
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| 19:35.20 | smhar | nsadmin, in /etc/dhcp/ there are: dhclient.conf dhclient-enter-hooks.d dhclient-exit-hooks.d dhcpd.conf |
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| 19:36.08 | nsadmin | ok, the last one is the server config... keep reading the readme |
| 19:36.36 | smhar | the readme is just a list of packages |
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| 19:37.01 | jbyte | l |
| 19:37.19 | smhar | nsadmin, The sources of the ISC DHCP package produce the following Debian packages: ........... |
| 19:37.52 | nsadmin | and there are servers clients and others? |
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| 19:41.59 | nsadmin | see if there is a man 5 dhcpd.conf |
| 19:42.01 | smhar | nsadmin, relay |
| 19:42.09 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 19:42.33 | smhar | yes, there is, reading right now |
| 19:42.59 | smhar | sorry, I am typing with one hand as I am trying to get my kid to sleep |
| 19:43.30 | nsadmin | hmm, you should pause and deal with kid firsrt |
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| 19:44.55 | nsadmin | that supernanny show has a technique for that |
| 19:46.19 | NetWalk | anyone ever play with clamfs and extended ACL (using samba) ?? |
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| 19:46.47 | scwizard | is there a site I can view squeeze man pages online? |
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| 19:47.48 | koisoke | http://manpages.debian.net/ |
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| 19:48.56 | scwizard | sweet, I dunno why I couldn't find that googling |
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| 19:49.16 | nsadmin | NetWalk, (I never have and) you should put more detail in your question, you never know, maybe someone knows exacly what you need (and will not know that until you ask) |
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| 19:50.07 | NetWalk | yeah i know... but like you said if you never played with clamfs, you won't know what i'm talking about :-( |
| 19:50.25 | useless-eater | how can I run a script from netcat? i can pipe things into it sure, but the -e switch would be nice to have. its gone now. |
| 19:50.33 | nsadmin | true... AAANNND... I'm one of about 1300 here |
| 19:51.05 | NetWalk | anyway my problem is that when i use samba share with clamfs i cannot create any new file or directory |
| 19:51.06 | nsadmin | and I can already tell you I won't know... but maybe 300 do |
| 19:51.17 | NetWalk | with just samba in place, everything working just perfectly !! |
| 19:51.33 | thewanderer1 | what's the easiest way, using a lib or not, that I can get md5 sum of a string in C in Debian? I just need a small, *fast* library or something. |
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| 19:52.09 | smhar | nsadmin, my kid can manipulate supernanny like a toy :-) |
| 19:52.15 | smhar | he is a sleep now |
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| 19:53.00 | NetWalk | so ?? any help ? |
| 19:53.02 | NetWalk | :-) |
| 19:53.16 | scwizard | openssl seems to have a -nodes option |
| 19:53.23 | scwizard | but it's not documented |
| 19:53.24 | stevieman | Has anyone installed ioncube loader? |
| 19:53.26 | scwizard | what does -nodes do? |
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| 19:54.08 | nsadmin | it would be useful to see what the samba says when an attempt to create something happens |
| 19:54.30 | stevieman | I don't see how anyone could get ioncube loader installed. |
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| 19:55.36 | nsadmin | smhar, aptitude install pastebinit ; ls -C /usr/sbin/dh* | pastebinit |
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| 19:56.02 | nsadmin | and, brb |
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| 19:58.23 | gena2x | hi all, let's say i want to maintain orphaned package i am using. Can anybody help me to start? |
| 19:58.25 | koisoke | useless-eater: I am using the netcat6 in wheezy (1.0-8) and -e works. |
| 19:58.31 | smhar | nsadmin, ls -C /usr/sbin/dh* | pastebinit |
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| 19:58.58 | smhar | nsadmin, opps .. http://pastebin.com/UbVNuJTh |
| 19:59.15 | gena2x | i guess i have all development skill required, i am professional developer |
| 19:59.36 | gena2x | package i want to start with: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572372 |
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| 20:01.03 | ompaul | gena2x: so join #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net and start from there with wnpp |
| 20:01.12 | gena2x | ompaul: thanks |
| 20:01.56 | ompaul | gena2x: irc.debian.org is ofct.net |
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| 20:02.08 | ompaul | oftc.net even |
| 20:02.14 | gena2x | ompaul: i've already found it, thanks |
| 20:02.18 | ompaul | ok |
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| 20:07.00 | nsadmin | smhar, ok, seems like you have only one installed |
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| 20:12.29 | smhar | nsadmin, but this is the error I receive when trying to run the server: http://pastebin.com/Hu8FQkHh |
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| 20:15.00 | nsadmin | smhar, the way the dhcp servers I've seen work, you have to tell it the interfaces you have by specifying the subnet... then, if you want to have it serve IPs in that subnet and therefore on that interface, you would tell it one or more IP ranges |
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| 20:15.45 | nsadmin | the error message shows a feature I haven't seen, which is where it ignores unconfigured ranges/interfaces |
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| 20:16.33 | nsadmin | so, you should just need a subnet declaration for the interface you want to pass out IPs for |
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| 20:17.00 | koisoke | is wheezy's userdel segfaulting for anyone else? |
| 20:17.30 | Cerise | hm, how can i get fglrx-driver from squeeze-backports to work with a stock kernel? it's only working properly with the kernel from backports, it's givin me glx errors with the stock kernel |
| 20:17.37 | ompaul | koisoke: the one in sid worked a couple of days ago perfectly |
| 20:17.51 | ArchRocks | how would wheezy do on a laptop with new hardware? |
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| 20:19.00 | smhar | nsadmin, how to specify that this all is related to uap0? |
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| 20:19.46 | ompaul | ArchRocks: depends on what is new released to market in the last four months ... it should be great |
| 20:19.48 | nsadmin | ArchRocks normally I'd say you have it backwards... you need to check a compatibility list before ever buying new hardware... |
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| 20:20.17 | nsadmin | smhar what is the net address and net mask of that interface? |
| 20:20.27 | ompaul | ArchRocks: as nsadmin says - yeah + depends on the hardware |
| 20:20.57 | smhar | nsadmin, as specified in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:21.07 | ArchRocks | nsadmin, The HP laptop came with the new hardware.. hp has not even got the driver page for the windows 7 drivers updated yet |
| 20:21.16 | nsadmin | smhar, sure. |
| 20:22.46 | ompaul | ArchRocks: read this http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:22.53 | smhar | nsadmin, nothing :-) uap0 and mlan0 are not configured in /etc/network/interfaces, they are configured somewhere else which I do not know |
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| 20:23.10 | nsadmin | ArchRocks, what are you going to do? reduce the win partition and add say a partition for /boot and a pv for the others? |
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| 20:24.28 | nsadmin | smhar, not sure either... maybe you have a network manager installed? |
| 20:24.39 | ArchRocks | AMD Raddeon HD 6520G graphics Broadcom 4313GN wifi... beatsaudio |
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| 20:25.03 | smhar | nsadmin, this is a console only, no X system |
| 20:25.33 | nsadmin | smhar, ifconfig | pastebinit |
| 20:25.37 | DaveNull | ArchRocks, you may encounter pb with the Broadcom wifi |
| 20:25.46 | ArchRocks | windows.. /boot /home /fat32 or ntfs |
| 20:25.56 | nsadmin | , file *nopaste* |
| 20:26.00 | judd | Search for *nopaste* in squeeze/i386: [truncated] pnopaste-cli: usr/bin/nopaste-it, usr/share/doc/pnopaste-cli/AUTHORS, usr/share/doc/pnopaste-cli/TODO, usr/share/doc/pnopaste-cli/changelog.Debian.gz, usr/share/doc/pnopaste-cli/changelog.gz, usr/share/doc/pnopaste-cli/copyright; pnopaste: etc/cron.d/pnopaste, etc/pnopaste/SQL_Access.pm, etc/pnopaste/Syntax_Languages.pm, etc/pnopaste/apache2.conf, |
| 20:26.01 | judd | usr/share/dbconfig-common/data/pnopaste/install/mysql, usr/share/doc/pnopaste/AUTHORS; libapp-nopaste-perl: usr/bin/nopaste, usr/share/doc/libapp-nopaste-perl/README.Debian, usr/share/doc/libapp-nopaste-perl/changelog.Debian.gz, usr/share/doc/libapp-nopaste-perl/changelog.gz, usr/share/doc/libapp-nopaste-perl/copyright; libpadre-plugin-nopaste-perl: usr/share/doc/libpadre-plugin-nopaste-perl/cha |
| 20:26.03 | DaveNull | i've installed Testing on a HP Probook 6360b with this same chip |
| 20:26.07 | smhar | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/qqQjqChJ |
| 20:26.41 | nsadmin | wow, judd, that was noisy! |
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| 20:27.15 | ArchRocks | DaveNull, what chip the Broadcom |
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| 20:27.45 | DaveNull | BCM3413 |
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| 20:28.03 | ArchRocks | Any problems |
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| 20:28.22 | DaveNull | i've had to download the source of the Broadcom STA driver and compile against the 3.2 kernel |
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| 20:28.54 | nsadmin | smhar, ok, uap0 seems configured and up |
| 20:29.05 | DaveNull | there's a lot of web pages describing the tweak |
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| 20:30.14 | smhar | nsadmin, configured where? |
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| 20:30.25 | DaveNull | and i'm using the wl0 driver |
| 20:30.28 | DaveNull | all is fine |
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| 20:30.59 | nsadmin | dunno. |
| 20:31.21 | nsadmin | but it looks like it got 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 20:31.48 | ArchRocks | ok thanks |
| 20:32.07 | DaveNull | ArchRocks, my mistake... my chip is a BCM4313 |
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| 20:32.33 | DaveNull | not a BCM3413 :) |
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| 20:32.48 | smhar | maybe I need some sleeping first |
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| 20:34.46 | nsadmin | so you could potentially hand out 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254 |
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| 20:36.24 | nsadmin | (you can't hand out .0 or .255, those are special, and also not .1, it's assigned) |
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| 20:40.43 | DaveNull | why uname -r does'nt give me the exact kernel version ? |
| 20:40.57 | guardian | http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 are there sensible defaults? configuring bind for the first time |
| 20:41.05 | guardian | or should i follow another guide (then which?) |
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| 20:41.24 | nsadmin | it gives a string that was given to it during compile |
| 20:41.51 | DaveNull | i've just installed the linux-image-3.2.0-2 deb package |
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| 20:42.06 | DaveNull | but it seems it's the 3.2.12-1 kernel |
| 20:42.26 | dvs | DaveNull: Look at the version number of the package |
| 20:42.50 | nsadmin | so uname -r says .12? |
| 20:42.55 | DaveNull | no |
| 20:43.08 | DaveNull | 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 20:43.20 | nsadmin | uname -r says what the package name says... |
| 20:43.48 | DaveNull | yep... i've understood, but it seems curious |
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| 20:44.13 | nsadmin | you're right, why would debian kernel folks do that |
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| 20:44.23 | DaveNull | having to look at apt-cache to know the exact release of it's kernel is weird, imho |
| 20:45.10 | nsadmin | and, the exact kernel version could have implications that are different for the stated version and the real version |
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| 20:51.07 | brian98 | Hello All - upgraded a box running software raid last night to latest squeeze - when update-grub is run I am getting: mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition! all over dmesg. Anything to worry about? |
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| 20:52.32 | karlpinc | brian98: I'm not going to say, but I've seen messages like that from grub's auto-probing and they are harmless. All the same, better ask someone who knows more than I do. |
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| 20:52.59 | brian98 | Ty karlpinc |
| 20:53.07 | brian98 | I'll ask again later on. |
| 20:53.22 | brian98 | machine is running fine ... |
| 20:53.29 | brian98 | thanks again for response. |
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| 20:55.56 | guardian | ** server can't find foo.mydomain.com.lan: REFUSED is the response i'm getting from bind i'm configuring right now, when I request an unknown subdomain. where does that .lan suffix come from please? |
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| 20:57.41 | nsadmin | guardian, do you want that bind to serve names for foo.mydomain.com.lan? |
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| 20:58.44 | nsadmin | if no... what do you want to do? |
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| 20:59.25 | nsadmin | also, if you're getting connection refused, check if the bind is running and see if there are logs from when it starts |
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| 21:00.43 | guardian | well i expected it to somehow say it doesn't know foo.mydomain.com |
| 21:00.53 | guardian | i'm curious about that .lan suffix addition |
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| 21:02.21 | guardian | bind is running, bar.mydomain.com works as expected |
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| 21:08.49 | reavengrey | Hi |
| 21:09.08 | reavengrey | I am about to install windows XP |
| 21:09.17 | reavengrey | Ploease don't ask the reason |
| 21:09.20 | reavengrey | apart from that: |
| 21:09.20 | guardian | nsadmin: so, any idea where does lan suffix come from? in fact I got that REFUSED response just after having installed bind9 package, even before configuring my first zone |
| 21:09.21 | foxtrot9 | ok then |
| 21:09.31 | reavengrey | I know that MS just overwrites the boot sector |
| 21:09.32 | foxtrot9 | hope your linux experience was fun |
| 21:09.40 | reavengrey | no I'm not stopping debian |
| 21:09.45 | reavengrey | I need xp on a partition |
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| 21:09.51 | rndmz | hey people |
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| 21:09.59 | reavengrey | I am going to insrakk XP on a partition |
| 21:10.11 | reavengrey | And I need to knpw |
| 21:10.16 | gena2x | reavengrey: install, boot from live cd, mount old linux, chroot into it and rerun bootloader installation |
| 21:10.25 | nsadmin | reavengrey, other support conversations are happening... please lay off the enter key |
| 21:10.35 | reavengrey | gena2x: thanks |
| 21:10.52 | foxtrot9 | reavengrey, or you can just run rescatux aka super grub |
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| 21:11.40 | gena2x | reavengrey: reinstall means 'run your bootoader so it would replace MBR' |
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| 21:12.03 | Freejack | Is there a way to set a universal file naming policy across the filesystem? i.e. No names with spaces. Only NUL delimiters, etc... |
| 21:12.31 | Freejack | Seems like there should be. |
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| 21:19.30 | nsadmin | Freejack, if there is, it would have been implemented in either the individual filesystem code or in the VFS code |
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| 21:33.58 | Nucleus | Hello, ive found on the site kfreebsd i3... and just i3... witch i believe it is the normal version of debian what is kfreebsd i know what is freebsd i just dont understand if it is freebsd or whatever it is |
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| 21:35.13 | thewanderer1 | Nucleus, what do you mean by i3? i386? |
| 21:35.21 | Nucleus | Yes |
| 21:35.24 | aBound | From what I know kfreebsd is the Debian using the FreeBSD kernel in a gnu userland. |
| 21:35.33 | aBound | is Debian** |
| 21:35.37 | thewanderer1 | yes, you probably don't want kFreeBSD for now |
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| 21:35.48 | aBound | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 21:35.53 | Nucleus | Too complicated ? |
| 21:36.03 | foxtrot9 | hmm interesting project i must say, kfreebsd |
| 21:36.07 | XLV | Nucleus, lame hybrid |
| 21:36.19 | XLV | either use linux or fbsd |
| 21:36.29 | thewanderer1 | it's ok but not yet complete |
| 21:36.35 | foxtrot9 | haha, child of both |
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| 21:37.23 | nsadmin | gnuserland? |
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| 21:37.31 | thewanderer1 | the userland is not so great yet, indeed (no support for FreeBSD-specific features) |
| 21:37.33 | Nucleus | So which one is the "normal" debian ? |
| 21:37.48 | thewanderer1 | Nucleus, normal Debian is i386 (or amd64) without kFreeBSD in front of it :P |
| 21:37.50 | nsadmin | with linux |
| 21:38.09 | thewanderer1 | "Debian GNU/Linux" :P |
| 21:38.12 | Nucleus | And kfreebsd is difficult using it or the samething ? |
| 21:38.30 | nsadmin | well it's certainly much newer |
| 21:38.41 | thewanderer1 | Nucleus, kFreeBSD is not recommended for beginners, it is harder to use at times |
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| 21:39.02 | Nucleus | Ok, thqts the answer i wanted because im a beginner |
| 21:39.09 | nsadmin | Nucleus, I feel just a tiny bit frustrated not knowing what you actually want |
| 21:40.06 | foxtrot9 | is ext4 faster than reiserfs? |
| 21:40.19 | thewanderer1 | foxtrot9, phoronix.com surely has benchmarks |
| 21:40.19 | XLV | foxtrot9, in large files, most certainly |
| 21:40.23 | Nucleus | I want the normal debian, the one that most users use. Also i have an I7 dont understand why there is not debian for 62b and only for 32b |
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| 21:40.45 | thewanderer1 | Nucleus, amd64 is the Debian version for Intel Core i7. |
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| 21:40.52 | nsadmin | linux has enjoyed a larger installed base (or more visible popularity) for a few years now |
| 21:40.54 | thewanderer1 | (you can use i386 too if you want) |
| 21:41.21 | Nucleus | Ohhh i thought amd64 was only for AMD processors |
| 21:41.23 | thewanderer1 | (the name's amd64 because Intel licensed that from AMD :P ) |
| 21:41.27 | foxtrot9 | Nucleus, 32bit vs 64bit cpu |
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| 21:41.35 | peter5 | man, this many years later, people _still_ don't figure out right away that 64-bit Intel chips are AMD-compatible |
| 21:41.53 | nsadmin | but not all of them are |
| 21:42.02 | peter5 | come to think of it it was probably more obvious in the early days when it _was_ mostly AMD doing this stuff |
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| 21:42.43 | reavengrey | they are "amd compatible"? |
| 21:42.48 | nsadmin | most people start with a computer... history of companies comes after that... maybe.. |
| 21:42.59 | Nucleus | peter5 because other distros have for example the linux-amd64, Linux I686 |
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| 21:43.10 | Nucleus | Speaking about the same distro of course |
| 21:43.14 | gnarface | peter5: AMD beat intel to the technology. simple as that. until they came to market with a 32-bit compatible 64-bit chip, intel was swearing up and down to god, society and the rest of the planet that it wasn't technically possible/feasible. then AMd made them eat their words. |
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| 21:43.39 | peter5 | reavengrey: Intel would rather we not think of it that way, but yes, AMD invented the 64-bit instruction set that the Intel I7 uses. |
| 21:43.39 | reavengrey | :/ |
| 21:43.40 | nsadmin | Nucleus, so, what is it you want to accomplish right now? |
| 21:43.52 | thewanderer1 | I think the download page should actually say "(works on Intel EM64T too! Core 2 / i3/5/7 users go here)" - it'd eliminate 5% of questions we get here... |
| 21:43.52 | reavengrey | peter5: Ah, kk |
| 21:43.58 | XLV | troll us to extinction |
| 21:44.14 | peter5 | reavengrey: it is commonly known as 'x86-64' but was originally called 'amd64' and Debian adopted that name. |
| 21:44.24 | gnarface | peter5: then of course intel backpedaled hard and EOL'd their itanium chips (64-bit NO 32-bit support) and started making chips that are compatible with amd's tech but rename the debian distro in their favor we WILL NOT |
| 21:44.37 | foxtrot9 | heh i still confuse amd64 and i686 |
| 21:44.44 | XLV | gnarface, itaniums arent eoled, and arent x86 compatible |
| 21:44.49 | Nucleus | No, i just want to know if i will not have problems with the debian if i install the amd version having my intel |
| 21:44.55 | XLV | they are IA-64 |
| 21:45.04 | Nucleus | Compatibility :P |
| 21:45.10 | peter5 | Nucleus: no more than if you install Intel packages on your 32-bit AMD chips |
| 21:45.14 | gnarface | XLV: on the second point, i didn't say they were. on the first point, yes they are |
| 21:45.25 | XLV | intel wanted their 64 bit cpus to be a new radical not compatible arch.. VLIW etc |
| 21:45.31 | thewanderer1 | Nucleus, I'm running amd64 on Core i7 right now, it's fine :P |
| 21:45.35 | nsadmin | xlv, actually unless he spent 10 grand, he does not have an ia64 |
| 21:45.45 | Nucleus | Omg, you look manic fans of processors amd |
| 21:45.52 | aBound | Nucleus, AMD64 = x86-64 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64 |
| 21:45.56 | foxtrot9 | Nucleus, I'm running debian stable on my i7 right now |
| 21:46.02 | peter5 | nsadmin: oh come on, back when ia64 seemed to be going somewhere, you could have a workstation for more like $3k |
| 21:46.05 | Nucleus | brb |
| 21:46.10 | nsadmin | Nucleus, I am definitely a fan |
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| 21:46.36 | XLV | gnarface, http://ark.intel.com/products/family/451 they dont seem dead to me |
| 21:46.45 | Nucleus | For me its the samething you do the samething with both also i believe mac uses intel |
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| 21:46.53 | Nucleus | They always use the good stuff |
| 21:47.00 | Nucleus | ;) |
| 21:47.03 | XLV | too much of it actually |
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| 21:47.06 | XLV | they hoard it |
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| 21:47.50 | nsadmin | peter5, that's definitely a similar level of magnitude... either way, I wouldn't want to spend that :) what I was really trying to say, is it's very very unlikely for him (or anyone else here) to have an ia64 based machine |
| 21:48.01 | gnarface | XLV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#High-end_server_market Oracle announced discontinuation of development on Itanium. Support for existing products will continue. |
| 21:48.07 | peter5 | very unlikely that you'd have an ia64 and not realize it, yes |
| 21:48.29 | XLV | gnarface, yeah, oracle stopped developing ia64 binary distribs of their products |
| 21:48.33 | nsadmin | certainly that, yes. |
| 21:48.33 | gnarface | XLV: whether they've backpedaled after i last heard and will continue producing new ones cause oracle warned everyone or not, i don't know and frankly its not particularly relevant |
| 21:48.36 | thewanderer1 | ia64 laptop, now *that* would be something. |
| 21:48.38 | XLV | gnarface, that means that the cpus are dead? |
| 21:48.46 | foxtrot9 | didn't itanium's cost a lot? they were server cpus |
| 21:48.59 | XLV | gnarface, major oracle partners still got oracle sources.. and can compile |
| 21:49.14 | reavengrey | Oracle is evil :| |
| 21:49.19 | gnarface | XLV: alright fair enough but i'm done splitting hairs with you |
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| 21:49.29 | XLV | gnarface, i am bald already |
| 21:49.39 | nsadmin | and yet I go by the "oracle" coliseum almost every day :) |
| 21:49.50 | foxtrot9 | reavengrey, except for VirtualBox, thats not evil |
| 21:49.52 | peter5 | foxtrot9: "a lot" is relative. they were actually quite competitive with other server farm CPU platforms like MIPS and PA-RISC. |
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| 21:50.01 | peter5 | foxtrot9: but they were not cheap compared to x86 or x86-64. |
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| 21:50.33 | nsadmin | when it is nobler to allot a lot of lots |
| 21:50.53 | foxtrot9 | peter5, I remember spending $100 for my cpu while itaniums cost $1000 upwards |
| 21:51.46 | gnarface | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/11/22/0049243/is-hp-paying-intel-to-keep-itanium-alive ... |
| 21:51.56 | nsadmin | yeah, I remember spending like 80 bux for my amd64x2 |
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| 21:54.17 | aBound | Good thing for Linux as it doesn't require much for hardware purposes. :P |
| 21:54.46 | foxtrot9 | i can run debian on my 386sx |
| 21:54.47 | aBound | You could therefore buy an old itanium server. |
| 21:55.13 | themill | foxtrot9: I bet you can't |
| 21:55.27 | dvs | foxtrot9: not any more |
| 21:55.39 | foxtrot9 | may not run xorg though, not even command line? |
| 21:55.46 | dvs | nope |
| 21:55.56 | aBound | No kernel modules exist to run that old hardware? |
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| 21:56.19 | thewanderer1 | quite simply, memory would be an issue |
| 21:56.26 | foxtrot9 | ISA memory? |
| 21:56.32 | foxtrot9 | i mean ISA slots |
| 21:56.32 | themill | libc assumes 486 instruction set; some packages assume even later instruction sets |
| 21:56.38 | thewanderer1 | RAM |
| 21:56.38 | junix659 | is there a way to unshadow your passwords? |
| 21:56.39 | nsadmin | foxtrot9. ahh, yes... and kernel compiles take 48 or more hours on that box? |
| 21:56.44 | thewanderer1 | junix659, no. |
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| 21:57.03 | foxtrot9 | thewanderer1, EDO ram |
| 21:57.40 | hatseflats | junix659: yes, it's called a brute force search |
| 21:57.50 | nsadmin | aBound, may have been removed from even the kernel source from kernel.org |
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| 21:58.12 | junix659 | ugh! |
| 21:58.24 | thewanderer1 | foxtrot9, I know, I have that - the thing is, the base install is much too heavy for any concievable amount of RAM you could get for that box, unless you can spare 32MB or so |
| 21:58.26 | nsadmin | junix659, why would you want to do that? |
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| 21:59.21 | junix659 | nsadmin, i need to get the password to 1 account that was not documetned |
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| 21:59.28 | junix659 | not sure if it will break anything |
| 21:59.34 | foxtrot9 | well unless you get some outdated old kernel, i guess nix on an 386sx may be out of the question |
| 21:59.35 | aBound | nsadmin, Probably eh figures you could write your own kernel module but as somebody said something about the lack of RAM. |
| 21:59.53 | hatseflats | junix659: can't reset the password either? |
| 21:59.53 | XLV | junix659, just delete the hash, you'll get empty password on that account |
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| 22:00.15 | nsadmin | junix659, probably you're not going to be able to do that... it's encrypted |
| 22:00.16 | thewanderer1 | foxtrot9, if it has an MMU, it will run - you can emulate the FPU just fine I think... but libc would be a pain (uClibc maybe?) |
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| 22:00.27 | rndmz | hey people, how are you all |
| 22:00.31 | hatseflats | drunk |
| 22:00.34 | hatseflats | but good |
| 22:00.37 | hatseflats | yourself? |
| 22:00.55 | aBound | Tired << |
| 22:00.56 | aBound | :P |
| 22:01.06 | nsadmin | misread that as Fired |
| 22:01.12 | foxtrot9 | hungry here :D |
| 22:01.23 | aBound | haha |
| 22:01.26 | hatseflats | nsadmin: you speak all the words you read? :) |
| 22:01.32 | aBound | You are fired. :P |
| 22:01.37 | hatseflats | hired! yes! |
| 22:01.49 | aBound | lol |
| 22:01.53 | foxtrot9 | rofl |
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| 22:01.58 | aBound | Nay. |
| 22:02.02 | rndmz | ya being drunk is the very best way to programm |
| 22:02.11 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:02.20 | nsadmin | hatseflats, what has you ask? what do you really want to know? :P |
| 22:02.22 | aBound | OK |
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| 22:02.44 | hatseflats | zips it before he's banished from the otherwise so useful channel |
| 22:03.00 | aBound | #debian-offtopic |
| 22:03.03 | aBound | oops |
| 22:03.15 | nsadmin | chicken :P |
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| 22:03.18 | aBound | Never knew they had an off-topic channel. |
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| 22:12.46 | wm4 | when doing a upgrade or dist-upgrade, how can I display what packages cause new packages being pulled in? i.e. I want to know why/what wants to install new packages |
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| 22:13.51 | rndmz | O: |
| 22:13.54 | rndmz | im so bored |
| 22:13.54 | rndmz | xd |
| 22:13.56 | rndmz | dunno what to do :( |
| 22:14.03 | aBound | Learn something new. |
| 22:14.04 | aBound | :) |
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| 22:14.26 | Nucleus | debian Ia64 what means the " a é on it ? |
| 22:14.31 | rndmz | O: |
| 22:14.33 | rndmz | something like O: |
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| 22:15.14 | themill | wm4: aptitude has an option to "show why" |
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| 22:15.56 | Nucleus | Ia64 isnt the I686 for intel ? |
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| 22:16.19 | wm4 | themill: ah, the -D option? nice |
| 22:16.25 | JJCale | estrangeirada aqui? |
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| 22:16.27 | themill | wm4: -W too |
| 22:16.36 | rndmz | what does that command? O. |
| 22:16.56 | Nucleus | I understand JJCale what ? |
| 22:17.09 | themill | Nucleus: haven't we just been through this ia64 conversation? |
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| 22:17.51 | Nucleus | No... we had the Amd conversation and its supposed architecture |
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| 22:18.18 | gnarface | Nucleus: i686 is pentium pro and compatibles |
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| 22:19.03 | gnarface | Nucleus: p pro, p2-p4 and pretty much everything since BUT itanium (ia64) |
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| 22:19.21 | themill | Nucleus: how about we stop dealing with hypotheticals and start dealing in real questions. What CPU do you actually have? |
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| 22:19.35 | Nucleus | ... i, talking about the Ia64, isnt this one i am supposed to download since i have an I7 ? |
| 22:19.45 | Nucleus | I7 |
| 22:19.47 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 22:20.06 | gnarface | Nucleus: dispite the confusing nomenclature, no the "i" in i7 is NOT for Itanium. |
| 22:20.11 | kevlarman | Nucleus: an i7 is amd64, not ia64 |
| 22:20.15 | XLV | Nucleus, if you want to run the 32bit debian, get i686 one, if you want to run the 64bit debian, get debian amd64 |
| 22:20.22 | themill | Nucleus: no. amd64 or i386. We have had this conversation before. |
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| 22:20.32 | XLV | ia64 is for itaniums and it wont run on your x86 cpu |
| 22:20.45 | kevlarman | XLV: you misspelled itanic |
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| 22:20.48 | Nucleus | Ok ok. |
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| 22:23.31 | karsten | Regardign the earlier 386 discussion: even qemu doesn't emulate 386. 486 is as low as you can go. |
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| 22:27.05 | Nucleus | XLV debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso DVD 2,3,4.... |
| 22:27.31 | boston8372 | ah Nucleus you are back |
| 22:27.48 | Nucleus | There are alot of debians to downloads and all of them with differente gigas |
| 22:28.00 | Nucleus | I dont get it |
| 22:28.27 | thewanderer1 | Nucleus, get netinst if you have a wired network card, otherwise get DVD1 to install the most needed packages. DVD1 is the installer, DVD2 are extra software packages. it's really that simple. |
| 22:28.30 | boston8372 | go for the AMD64, the one around 170 MB, for the I7 |
| 22:29.00 | boston8372 | i7 |
| 22:30.01 | Nucleus | I have wireless and ethernet but its suppose the ethernet working while im installing ? |
| 22:30.26 | deever | anyone here with wol running and able to wake up a box suspended-to-disk? |
| 22:30.33 | Nucleus | Linux will recognize the driver for the ethernet while it is installing ? |
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| 22:30.42 | XLV | Nucleus, yes |
| 22:30.45 | Nucleus | ok |
| 22:31.16 | themill | deever: sure. this is always going to be hardware dependent though |
| 22:31.43 | deever | themill: are you familiar with the topic? ;) |
| 22:31.59 | Nucleus | boston8372 theres no one with 170m |
| 22:32.10 | themill | dpkg: tell Nucleus about netinst |
| 22:32.11 | boston8372 | hold on i will give u a link |
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| 22:34.56 | reavengrey | I am about to install win xp on a partition. I am currently burning an ubuntu live CD because I know that windows will overwrite my MBR. How exactly do I go about restoring my GrUB MBR using the ubuntu CD? |
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| 22:35.07 | boston8372 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 22:35.29 | Nucleus | I believe the torrent for netinst is deqd. :/ |
| 22:35.29 | boston8372 | left side AMD64 (168MB) |
| 22:35.34 | Nucleus | dead |
| 22:35.42 | reavengrey | If possible, exactly which tool, I'm not 100% sure that I'll be abel to use my network card from the ubuntu CD so I may not be able to come on IRC from the ubuntu CD |
| 22:35.49 | deever | a box suspended to ram with 'hibernate-ram' wakes up with 'wakeonlan xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx' on another pc, worked out-of-the-box |
| 22:35.52 | reavengrey | and the win XP installatino won't have the network drivers |
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| 22:36.37 | Nucleus | Im downloading now directly. thank you. |
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| 22:36.55 | XLV | reavengrey, isnt that for #ubuntu? but in general, you boot from ubuntu livecd, you mount the linux installation eg in /media/hdd dir, you chroot /media/hdd , then you grub-install /dev/<your boot hdd> |
| 22:36.58 | boston8372 | burn the ISO and rock and roll |
| 22:37.15 | deever | but with 'hibernate-disk' i have to press the ON-button again |
| 22:37.37 | reavengrey | XLV: right, thanks |
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| 22:37.53 | Nucleus | First i have to create again a bootloader on my windows i lost it while i was messing with archlinux |
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| 22:38.21 | Nucleus | Arch is to much for me. At least i could install it. |
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| 22:41.58 | XLV | deever, could it be some bios option? some motherboards also have some jumper you need to flip to have standby voltage while on hibernate |
| 22:43.11 | boston8372 | i think only some cards / chipsets support the wol |
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| 22:49.59 | deever | XLV: it's a fitpc2i |
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| 22:52.03 | XLV | deever, http://www.fit-pc.com/wiki/index.php/Features#Wake-on-LAN_.28fit-PC2i_only.29 |
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| 22:52.52 | XLV | suspend to ram is s3, suspend to hdd is s4, and power off is s5 |
| 22:53.07 | XLV | maybe theres your problem deever, it cant wake up from suspend to hdd |
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| 22:54.03 | SmashingX | it's possible to install wine in debian? |
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| 22:55.12 | amphi | SmashingX: depends - there was no wine in testing, last time I looked |
| 22:56.36 | SmashingX | it's possiblde? |
| 22:56.40 | SmashingX | possbile to install it? |
| 22:56.44 | deever | XLV: damn...! :( |
| 22:57.09 | deever | XLV: but thank you for pointing it out to me...:) |
| 22:57.57 | deever | SmashingX: you mean possible for you? |
| 22:58.07 | SmashingX | for anybody |
| 22:58.40 | deever | dunno...i've never installed it |
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| 22:59.54 | XLV | deever, search in bios, some systems allow for s3 & s4 ( they keep ram active but copy its contents to hdd to be safe from some power out ) |
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| 23:00.20 | XLV | SmashingX, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wine |
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| 23:03.57 | bunny69 | can you put a cpu limit on a process? |
| 23:05.04 | XLV | bunny69, http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-limit-cpu-usage-of-a-process-with-cpulimit-debian-ubuntu |
| 23:05.46 | bunny69 | thank you vm XLV |
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| 23:09.17 | abdelix | there is any simple gtk font viewer like the old gnome font viewer? |
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| 23:10.12 | gnarface | abdelix: this came up yesterday. i think gwaterfall was the decided upon answer |
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| 23:10.35 | abdelix | thanks!!! |
| 23:10.38 | slaiter | ciao a tutti |
| 23:10.49 | slaiter | list |
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| 23:13.09 | bunny69 | hm.. does htop have solaris mode for cpu? |
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| 23:25.44 | abrotman | bunny69: what is "solaris mode" ? |
| 23:26.50 | gnarface | abrotman: i assumed he meant irix mode, like top has, but i don't know htop so i didn't answer |
| 23:29.07 | abrotman | i'll wait for her/him to answer |
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| 23:38.41 | meLon | If I do something like: command {1..5}something{1..5}, does bash do 5 commands, or 25 commands? |
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| 23:40.27 | themill | meLon: "echo {1..5}something{1..5}" |
| 23:40.37 | meLon | lolol ty themill |
| 23:40.48 | themill | (you'll notice it's expanded as arguments, not separate commands) |
| 23:42.43 | meLon | Is there an easy way to access this? For example: mv {1..5}something{1..5} n1.n2.something where n1 is the first number at that iteration, and n2 is the second? |
| 23:43.26 | meLon | If you know of something I can throw at google, that's fine. I just have no idea what I'm asking, just the objective :P |
| 23:43.29 | abrotman | #bash ? |
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| 23:43.45 | meLon | sure, abrotman I just <3 you debbers |
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| 23:46.20 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/YzVF4xik Can someone help me with /etc/network/interfaces config? I have 3 ips for my server, and I'm trying to make it so I can bind services to them. With this I got locked out of ssh after restarting /etc/init.d/networking, and had to do a reboot of the server. And after rebooting I get an error that I can't bind to that address when starting lighttpd. |
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| 23:55.18 | Lint | what are default CFLAGS in Debian? |
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| 23:57.49 | sorressean | anyone had userdel segfault on them? I can't del a user. deluser exits with status code 11. |
| 23:58.05 | Kobaz | sounds lovely |
| 23:58.07 | Kobaz | bad ram? |
| 23:59.02 | sorressean | lol no. |
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