| 00:00.39 | Kobaz | apt-get update; apt-get install adduser |
| 00:01.07 | Kobaz | new version is fixed perhaps |
| 00:01.57 | sorressean | nothing to update |
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| 00:02.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | try with --reinstall |
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| 00:02.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lint: in the debian build tools, or from gcc etc? |
| 00:03.13 | Lint | yes, in gcc installed in debian system by default |
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| 00:06.22 | sorressean | it's just this one account that I can't userdel. |
| 00:06.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lint: don't know i'm afraid |
| 00:07.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorressean: why not deluser? |
| 00:08.14 | sorressean | Kamping_Kaiser: because deluser exits with code 11. and I don't know what that means. |
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| 00:09.04 | sorressean | Kamping_Kaiser: /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel n8kl' exited from signal 11. Exiting. |
| 00:09.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok. so userdel is segfaulting |
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| 00:11.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorressean: try `apt-get --reinstall install passwd` and try again, if that doesn't work you might hav eto build a version with debugging symbols |
| 00:11.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorressean: although an intermediate step would be to run it with strace and see what is killing it |
| 00:11.38 | sorressean | strace is showing an error when it is trying to write to /var/log. |
| 00:11.56 | quebre | hi i want to install Debian from network, i need bootable .iso image that will allow me to do so, can someone point me to right url ? |
| 00:12.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: netinstall |
| 00:12.12 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 00:12.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | quebre: ^^ |
| 00:12.25 | quebre | Kamping_Kaiser: ;) |
| 00:13.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorressean: thats not good. disk full? |
| 00:13.17 | sorressean | Kamping_Kaiser: o. I lied. localtime |
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| 00:14.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm? |
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| 00:15.26 | sorressean | it uses fd 8 for localtime, then reuses it to connect to "/var/log" and obviously can't write there. |
| 00:15.35 | sorressean | so the send fails |
| 00:16.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | odd |
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| 00:27.28 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/YzVF4xik Can someone help me with /etc/network/interfaces config? I have 3 ips for my server, and I'm trying to make it so I can bind services to them. With this I got locked out of ssh after restarting /etc/init.d/networking, and had to do a reboot of the server. And after rebooting I get an error that I can't bind to that address when starting lighttpd. |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | innociv: don't you want to allow-hotplug the other IPs ? |
| 00:29.06 | innociv | how does that work? Because with just the first block, I can't bind to those ips either |
| 00:29.45 | innociv | or you mean allow-hotplug eth0:0? |
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| 00:48.36 | tharkun | Is there a way to investigate which version of java is installed on a production server? |
| 00:49.57 | dvs | tharkun: "java -version" doesn't work? |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | dvs: stop with the insanity |
| 00:51.14 | dvs | |??? |
| 00:51.18 | tharkun | dvs: thanks it did. I am totally new to http and java environments |
| 00:51.24 | dvs | ah |
| 00:51.44 | tharkun | abrotman: could you explain your definition of insanity and how is it related to my question? |
| 00:53.35 | chogath | hi. is it possible to have different document roots for subdomains on the same server if it has only one ip address? |
| 00:53.41 | chogath | for apache. |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | yes, google for name based vhosts |
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| 00:57.28 | tharkun | dvs: Is the command you kindly gave me only debian related or does it work on other linux distributions? |
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| 00:57.48 | dvs | tharkun: It works in any Java environment |
| 00:58.08 | shm_ | Where to find info about Debian GNOME 3 Fallback? |
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| 00:58.19 | shm_ | * i mean IRC channel |
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| 00:59.15 | tharkun | dvs: thanks. Sorry for any inconviniences. |
| 00:59.22 | shm_ | !ping |
| 00:59.22 | dpkg | Yes, shm_ you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 00:59.41 | dvs | tharkun: No problem. I though a "production server" implied a web server of some sort. |
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| 01:00.01 | shm_ | dpkg: Seems like MIT lab. |
| 01:00.01 | dpkg | shm_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | shm_: dpkg is a bot |
| 01:00.12 | shm_ | iknow |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | do you need help? |
| 01:00.25 | shm_ | upper |
| 01:00.33 | shm_ | GNOME 3 Fallback |
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| 01:00.37 | abrotman | that's not a question |
| 01:00.43 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/YzVF4xik Can someone help me with /etc/network/interfaces config? I have 3 ips for my server, and I'm trying to make it so I can bind services to them. With this I got locked out of ssh after restarting /etc/init.d/networking, and had to do a reboot of the server. And after rebooting I get an error that I can't bind to that address when starting lighttpd. |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | innociv: what is your current IP? is it listed in that config? what about the gateway,etc? |
| 01:01.43 | shm_ | abrotman: I use GNOME as my desktop system, mmmm That's for know my only. System. I have to live with it. |
| 01:01.56 | mashzmash | I'm probably the millionth person to ask: is there a single lenny mirror somewhere that I can mirror locally? |
| 01:02.00 | innociv | Yes the ips are there |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | wonders if a question will ever come |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | mashzmash: archive.debian.org |
| 01:02.06 | innociv | moment |
| 01:02.17 | shm_ | abrotman: i switched from kde and bespin and xbar. So I need info how to improve GNOME3. |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | innociv: also check your route settings |
| 01:02.33 | innociv | route settings? |
| 01:02.34 | abrotman | shm_: so why are you asking us? the gnome developers are on another network |
| 01:02.35 | mashzmash | abrotman: thanks. I should have known that |
| 01:02.47 | gnarface | innociv: your problem is not likely to be in the interfaces file. keep in mind you can only bind one service to a given address:port at a time, and by default sshd binds to its port on ALL of them at once |
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| 01:03.00 | shm_ | abrotman: So what is the best channel? |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | gnarface: that's fine |
| 01:03.06 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/dqUtXtCV server ips |
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| 01:03.11 | abrotman | shm_: i have no idea what you're asking about .. you haven't asked a question yet |
| 01:03.38 | tharkun | dvs: Thanks, you made me think that installing a web server with java on this particular machine is actually a very bad idea. |
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| 01:03.54 | shm_ | abrotman: Sorry. Where is the best place except Google to get to know how to use GNOME 3 in Debian. |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | shm_: gnome3 is in Debian |
| 01:04.09 | dvs | tharkun: Installing the web server is easy. Configuring is a bit harder. |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | shm_: which version of Debian are you using ? |
| 01:04.15 | innociv | gnarface, so I need to put an ip in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 01:05.22 | shm_ | abrotman: but... it is only fallback to me. I always use debian netinstall with console. I know these steps very well. Currently it is of course sid + experimental. |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | sounds like a problem with your system .. maybe you sohuldn't be running sid |
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| 01:05.59 | abrotman | i'm using gnome3, no fallback, works just fine |
| 01:06.08 | gnarface | innociv: maybe, maybe not. what i'm trying to tell you is you have to check all your services and bind them to individual addresses manually, as they'll tend to bind to all of them by default. fore example if lighttpd failed to bind to a port for you, its could be because apache and it are both trying to bind to port 80 on ALL addresses by default. |
| 01:06.10 | innociv | gnarface, also.. I don't see why sshd binding to all ips is a problem anyway |
| 01:06.26 | innociv | Oh. I have the ip in the lighttpd config |
| 01:06.28 | innociv | to bind to it |
| 01:06.45 | shm_ | abrotman: I know. Not the same box. but my problem is fallback. I want to get the most from it. |
| 01:07.19 | innociv | "Starting web server: lighttpd2012-03-27 18:06:37: (network.c.358) can't bind to port: 72.8.141.5 80 Cannot assign requested address |
| 01:07.19 | innociv | " I'm like 100% certain it's not a lighttpd problem, and I'd have a similar issue in trying to bind any service to that address |
| 01:07.55 | gnarface | innociv: you got nmap installed? |
| 01:08.22 | innociv | I can install it |
| 01:09.20 | gnarface | innociv: fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 01:09.41 | gnarface | innociv: also please pastebin the output of ifconfig |
| 01:10.34 | innociv | Doesn't return anything at all. |
| 01:10.39 | gnarface | innociv: you'd have to run that fuser command as root for it to be useful |
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| 01:10.45 | gnarface | innociv: nmap won't have that limitation |
| 01:10.48 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.57 | gnarface | innociv: maybe? |
| 01:11.22 | gnarface | innociv: pastebin output of ifconfig |
| 01:11.25 | shm_ | abrotman: This is only ru_RU page I found. Is these advices (commands are english of course there) enough? Because I always mix my repos. |
| 01:11.31 | innociv | ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/2x0KVDTR |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | shm_: so use it? i've not seen it .. |
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| 01:11.55 | gnarface | innociv: you said you rebooted the server after changing your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:12.25 | innociv | Yes. |
| 01:13.02 | shm_ | abrotman: I want this way: initrd.img, vmlinuz, X, drivers and <setting experimental repos>. I'm afraid this will mess(?) my system. Should I forget GNOME 3 and use stable? |
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| 01:14.25 | gnarface | innociv: well for some reason its not working. network-manager comes to mind as a possible culprit, however i just noticed the broadcast you're using on your primary address doesn't match what the other paste claims your isp provided you. i assume you've already checked for inaccuracies and they were on purpose? |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | shm_: i can't stop you from doing whatever you want .. |
| 01:15.05 | gnarface | innociv: also, fyi you restart ssh with /etc/init.d/ssh not /etc/init.d/networking |
| 01:15.14 | innociv | hm you are right for the eth0 |
| 01:15.49 | innociv | but it's not just ssh i'm trying to config, it's the usual ips on the box. So I thought I'd restart networking. |
| 01:16.19 | nsadmin | shm_, experimental? you do understand this is likely to mean that packagings don't completely work, can't completely install or maybe uninstall (and what abrotman said, and having said that, it's not recommended for real work, you're very strongly adviced to keep current backups of all your data that you care anything about, and know that things could just plain fail) |
| 01:16.45 | nsadmin | plus, people might not support you |
| 01:16.47 | gnarface | innociv: ifdown +ifup may be more useful to you, as restarting networking is fairly fragile and has some gotchas |
| 01:16.59 | abrotman | might not ? |
| 01:17.05 | nsadmin | correct |
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| 01:17.29 | nsadmin | no one gets to tell someone else what they can or can't do |
| 01:17.40 | abrotman | sure about that? |
| 01:17.43 | gnarface | innociv: for example, if you remove an alias you don't want anymore, the networking script will barf on you because it expects to find a valid entry in interfaces for every currently up alias |
| 01:17.47 | nsadmin | yep |
| 01:17.51 | nsadmin | very |
| 01:18.26 | abrotman | nice dream world you've got there |
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| 01:18.46 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/xSxkkHnX Well I fixed that broadcast, but I'm still unsure of how I should reload the interfaces. I really don't think /etc/init.d/ssh restart does that.. |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | innociv: if your eth0 is messed up .. that controls your gateway/netmask/broadcast/etc |
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| 01:19.04 | innociv | And I still can't get lighttpd to bind to that address |
| 01:19.16 | innociv | "that" address being 72.8.141.5 |
| 01:20.05 | gnarface | innociv: that isn't surprising to me, because ifconfig clearly shows its not "up". did you try running "ifup eth0:0" |
| 01:20.07 | gnarface | ? |
| 01:20.28 | nsadmin | note also that I for one woudl request that people don't use pastebin.com even if pastebinit defaults to it... crashes browser, has ads, among others |
| 01:20.32 | innociv | That worked |
| 01:21.09 | innociv | Thanks |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | innociv: didn't i ask you 30 minutes ago baout allow-hotplug for those extra interfaces ? |
| 01:21.24 | innociv | Yes. |
| 01:21.25 | gnarface | innociv: add "auto [alias]" before every iface [alias] blah blah blah line in your /etc/network/interfaces. you're welcome. now go read the fucking man page |
| 01:21.31 | innociv | I wasn't clear on what you meant |
| 01:21.47 | gnarface | innociv: "man interfaces" |
| 01:21.48 | innociv | auto eth0:0 and auth eth0:1? |
| 01:21.56 | gnarface | or "allow-hotplug" |
| 01:22.00 | gnarface | either should work |
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| 01:22.28 | innociv | Ok |
| 01:22.36 | abrotman | allow-hotplug is generally beter .. especially if the master interface is set to that |
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| 01:22.57 | gnarface | i was never clear on how its relevant when you're not using hardware thats hot-pluggable like a pcmci or usb device |
| 01:23.19 | gnarface | i only once actually remember it causing problems and it was probably a long-since-patched bug but after that i just started using auto for everything |
| 01:23.33 | gnarface | i never turn anything off anyway |
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| 01:24.21 | abrotman | gnarface: AIUI, the cable |
| 01:25.11 | gnarface | abrotman: oh, i don't have any ethernet cards fancy enough to know when you unplug the cable i don't think. i guess they're common in macs though |
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| 01:26.38 | abrotman | gnarface: yes you do |
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| 01:27.53 | gnarface | abrotman: is it supposed to down the interface if you unplug the ethernet cable? or just up it when you plug it in? |
| 01:28.18 | nsadmin | gnarface, there are those link lights on every eth card all the way back to 10baseT... it's gotta be a simple matter to design a way to read that bit into the chipset |
| 01:28.46 | gnarface | nsadmin: yea i know, i just was under the impression that most actually didn't do anything with it other than flick a light on and off |
| 01:29.40 | nsadmin | I've noticed at least some win installs claiming "an eth cable disconnected" |
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| 01:30.05 | nsadmin | I'm just saying, stranger things have happened :) |
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| 01:31.29 | boston8372 | i miss token ring |
| 01:31.57 | dvs | boston8372: for a home network? |
| 01:32.08 | boston8372 | yes. great form factor |
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| 01:33.00 | abrotman | ugh .. what a mess |
| 01:33.23 | nsadmin | what mess is that? |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | TR |
| 01:33.35 | boston8372 | lol |
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| 01:34.14 | abrotman | boston8372: network guys spent days tracking down a huge bandwidth issue, turns out someone had the stupid thing half plugged in the wall, and it kept inserting extra tokens .. imagine the fun that caused |
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| 01:35.31 | nsadmin | 10base2 had similar but physical problems... |
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| 01:35.53 | dvs | nsadmin: on gawd yes. Especially with those terminators! |
| 01:36.05 | nsadmin | exactly :) |
| 01:36.10 | boston8372 | i used to work at the lotus network lab we had arcnet, tr, ethernet, lanman, banyan, ibm lanserver, novell, 3m networks, the list was endless |
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| 01:36.18 | abrotman | but no one used 10base2 for very long |
| 01:36.48 | nsadmin | school lab probably used it for likearse 5-7 y |
| 01:37.00 | dvs | Thanks goodness 10baseT came along. |
| 01:37.02 | boston8372 | then mr softie saved us from all that |
| 01:37.04 | nsadmin | argh, like |
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| 01:37.46 | nsadmin | how the heck did I say "likearse" |
| 01:37.52 | nsadmin | did NOT type that |
| 01:38.09 | boston8372 | you have autocorrect pkg installed |
| 01:38.20 | nsadmin | me? |
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| 01:39.04 | nsadmin | not me :) |
| 01:39.13 | nsadmin | wait |
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| 01:39.42 | nsadmin | no, no package by that name installed |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | *facepalm* |
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| 01:41.56 | gnarface | i once had a mouse which had a worn out thumb button that eventually started sporadically pasting on its own |
| 01:42.01 | gnarface | nsadmin: ^^ |
| 01:42.39 | gnarface | nsadmin: also, touchpad and static |
| 01:42.42 | gnarface | sometimes |
| 01:43.13 | nsadmin | my touchpad is lots of times really annoying |
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| 02:19.18 | sha0lin | i'm trying to install ssl libs with support for AES-NI on wheezy, how can i try to see which deps it breaks and fix them? |
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| 02:22.50 | sha0lin | oh wait it's ok :) no more deps problem |
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| 02:23.11 | nsadmin | sha0lin, why not just get the source and rebuild the package with your source config changes |
| 02:23.32 | nsadmin | then there's no dep problem since you'd be rebuilding the version you're already running |
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| 02:24.17 | sha0lin | i could have done that yeah |
| 02:24.23 | sha0lin | i just isntalled libssl1.0.0_1.0.1-2_amd64.deb libssl-dev_1.0.1-2_amd64.deb openssh-client_5.9p1-4_amd64.deb openssh-server_5.9p1-4_amd64.deb openssl_1.0.1-2_amd64.deb |
| 02:24.34 | sha0lin | and it doesn't complain about deps problem anymore |
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| 02:24.40 | sha0lin | let's see what happens after a reboot |
| 02:25.05 | nsadmin | , versions openssh-server |
| 02:25.06 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2; wheezy: 1:5.9p1-3; sid: 1:5.9p1-4 |
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| 02:25.38 | nsadmin | which debian are you running? |
| 02:25.42 | sha0lin | wheezy |
| 02:25.57 | sha0lin | i'm gonna reboot though so i'm gonna lose irc |
| 02:26.07 | vrkalak | is using 'stable+backports' |
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| 02:26.33 | sha0lin | ah damn i can't reboot now |
| 02:26.39 | sha0lin | server is busy :/ |
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| 02:26.50 | sha0lin | servers should never be busy |
| 02:26.59 | BeastNZ | Lol |
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| 02:31.23 | Alazare619 | so anyone have any experience with clocksource tsc unstable error in kernel log? |
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| 02:37.34 | nsadmin | Alazare619, /msg dpkg ask /msg dpkg sicco |
| 02:37.54 | pidgin | hello everyone. I am trying to run frost on debian unfortunately it gets hung up saying initializing mainframe, what to do? |
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| 02:39.03 | nsadmin | , versions frost |
| 02:39.04 | judd | No package named 'frost' was found in i386. |
| 02:39.08 | nsadmin | what's that? |
| 02:39.27 | pidgin | it is a browser for freenet |
| 02:40.03 | nsadmin | hmm... do you have the correct package name? |
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| 02:40.29 | pidgin | haNG ON, i'LL GET IT |
| 02:40.31 | Alazare619 | I have a error in testing with clocksource tsc unstable and then my server freezing that ws the last output in /var/log/kernel |
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| 02:42.01 | nsadmin | , versions clocksource |
| 02:42.02 | judd | No package named 'clocksource' was found in i386. |
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| 02:42.52 | vrkalak | i never heard of it eaither |
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| 02:43.45 | nsadmin | it may be just a file |
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| 02:43.54 | pidgin | frost is a java jar. I built in from source and that went ok, and it starts to run then gets hung up. hello everyone. frost 2011-03-05 |
| 02:44.03 | craigevil | freenet has a help channel somewhere, better to ask them |
| 02:44.14 | pidgin | k thanks craig |
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| 02:53.08 | sha0lin | ok rebooted, how can i benchmark performance now? |
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| 02:55.04 | nsadmin | Alazare619, hi and thanks for providing a bit more detail. In so doing, you'll be waking up others who will be able to help... what is this clocksource thing? as you may have seen a moment ago, there isn't a package by that particular name; would you know the exact package name? |
| 02:55.15 | nsadmin | or full .deb file name |
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| 02:56.13 | Alazare619 | clocksource has to deal with the internal clock of the processor afaik |
| 02:56.32 | Alazare619 | im trying to troubleshoot with acpi off in the bios my fan and everything still runs just now at full blast so i know it shouldnt overheat |
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| 03:01.09 | nsadmin | ok, I'm still not seeing a debian package that contains the software you speak of... I'll just mention at this point that there could exist better sources of info, which I could quote if I knew anything at all about this clocksource thing |
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| 03:01.31 | nsadmin | this is NOT to say that someone else here might know a LOT more than me |
| 03:04.14 | gnarface | what's that program that dumps bios settings/info again? |
| 03:05.01 | nsadmin | that's a great question... /me tries apt-cache search bios |
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| 03:06.20 | nsadmin | amideco - Decompress flashfiles equipped with an AMI BIOS |
| 03:07.29 | gnarface | that's not it |
| 03:07.35 | gnarface | i feel like it had 'mem' in the name |
| 03:07.46 | gnarface | and i know it dumped the contents of the running bios |
| 03:08.06 | gnarface | nope i was wrong |
| 03:08.08 | gnarface | its dmidecode |
| 03:08.17 | nsadmin | yeah, just saw that |
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| 03:18.36 | youlysses | How to I update the repos from 6 to 7 again? |
| 03:20.08 | dvs | !tell youlysses about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 03:26.31 | simonlnu | ok, so wheezy still testing ;) |
| 03:26.42 | youlysses | Seems no noh of done anything ... |
| 03:26.44 | simonlnu | been away from irc for so long i forgot :P |
| 03:27.02 | dvs | simonlnu: no, sid is testing now! ;-P |
| 03:27.08 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 03:28.15 | youlysses | Nothing happened? |
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| 03:28.53 | youlysses | If it worked, Id assume it would have a "few" updates ... |
| 03:29.47 | youlysses | Crap ... bbl |
| 03:30.00 | dvs | oops? |
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| 03:36.18 | simonlnu | OOPS |
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| 03:49.13 | OldParr | what is "netbios-ssn" service ? |
| 03:50.32 | sheep | something involving SMB, which may be open if you're using samba |
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| 03:54.14 | recur | how do I get verbose output with apt-get ? |
| 03:54.35 | OldParr | sheep: i searched on the packages list but it is not there a a package |
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| 03:55.28 | OldParr | recur: use synaptic |
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| 03:55.42 | recur | oh okay, so no way with apt-get? |
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| 03:56.03 | OldParr | recur: i am just a beginner |
| 03:56.11 | recur | oh okay :) |
| 03:56.49 | OldParr | but synaptic is really more confortable |
| 03:56.58 | LtL | recur: apt-cache search |
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| 03:59.05 | recur | ah, thanks Ltl |
| 03:59.22 | LtL | recur: welcome |
| 03:59.31 | recur | cool, I can see my new packages with apt-cache |
| 03:59.35 | recur | sweet, this helps a lot |
| 03:59.42 | recur | now I just need to figure out why apt-get doesn't update to them |
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| 04:00.08 | LtL | recur: not sure i follow you? |
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| 04:00.47 | recur | yeah, it's my problem. I just wanted to figure out how to get some info. Looks like this shows that apt-get update is fetching the new package lists. I have a problem where my computer wont get the new package version but this will help debug it :) |
| 04:01.01 | LtL | recur: you apt-get update then apt-get upgrade if that's what you're after. |
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| 04:01.17 | recur | yeah, I have been issuing those but it simply doesn't install the newer package |
| 04:01.24 | recur | but it is downloading the list correctly, so it's not a network problem |
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| 04:03.46 | LtL | recur: are you sure you have your sources list edited properly, although if you get a newer package listing it should. |
| 04:03.52 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.57 | recur | yeah, that was my first step to investigate |
| 04:04.00 | recur | it is definitely getting the new list |
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| 04:04.07 | recur | it just simply doesn't decide to try to fetch and install the newer versions |
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| 04:05.23 | OldParr | recur: do you think synaptic has limitations compared to command line utilities ? |
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| 04:05.54 | LtL | recur: and you're sure newer versions for your system exists? |
| 04:06.19 | recur | OldParr, yeah generally I like commandline utilities :) |
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| 04:06.30 | recur | LtL: Yeah, I can see it in the list. I'll debug this, good that I have some data now |
| 04:06.41 | recur | I just need to walk through how apt-get decides around updating |
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| 04:07.07 | LtL | recur: try aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 04:07.15 | Rusty1 | i think it helps prevent those without solid understanding of cli utilties from causing irreparable harm |
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| 04:13.32 | recur_ | sorry comp died :) |
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| 04:14.22 | recur_ | ah weird, apt-get install does get the new version, but apt-get update wont get it |
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| 04:14.52 | LtL | recur_: it isn't supposed to |
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| 04:14.59 | recur_ | oh |
| 04:15.01 | recur_ | err sorry |
| 04:15.02 | LtL | recur_: upgrade should |
| 04:15.04 | recur_ | apt-get upgrade ;) |
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| 04:15.33 | recur_ | ahh, I figured it out YAY |
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| 04:15.37 | recur_ | thanks guys, debugging for the win :) |
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| 04:15.46 | recur_ | I had the wrong repository branch |
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| 04:16.26 | LtL | recur_: be careful with repositories |
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| 04:17.00 | recur_ | yeah, thanks a lot |
| 04:17.07 | recur_ | this is good shtuff, would have taken forever without apt-cache |
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| 04:17.40 | LtL | your system crashing didn't sound healthy though.. |
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| 04:18.50 | LtL | recur_: you may want to force a fsck just for fun |
| 04:19.02 | recur_ | hehe, well this system here is my little macbook air |
| 04:19.04 | recur_ | that is almost dead :D |
| 04:19.09 | recur_ | but the machine next to it rocks :D |
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| 04:19.29 | LtL | recur_: ah, well experimenting is a good thing. |
| 04:20.00 | LtL | to a point :-) |
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| 04:22.13 | cilkay | Hello. I've installed etckeeper and mercurial. When I execute "etckeeper init", I get "/etc/etckeeper/init.d/40vcs-init: 17: git: not found". I looked at that script why it's not invoking hg instead and I can see that it's testing for an environment variable, $VCS. How is that set? I don't see it in /etc/alternatives. |
| 04:22.50 | quebre | hi, i had debian 6.0 and gnome was ok but i did upgrade and now gnome have differend view and this annoying popup menu from left when i hit left upper corner.. |
| 04:23.05 | quebre | how can i bring back previous gnome behavior |
| 04:23.06 | quebre | ? |
| 04:24.18 | crazygir | hello! I am having a difficult time installing sun java on squeeze. I understand switching between the different alternatives, and I have a the default jre installed. aptitude isn't able to find the sun package, so I downloaded from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/sun-java6-jre/download and attempted to install manually with dpkg --install <package> |
| 04:24.42 | crazygir | this resulted in dependency errors: http://dpaste.com/722566/ |
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| 04:25.22 | crazygir | any guidance on installing sun java is appreciated :) |
| 04:25.26 | cilkay | quebre: Install KDE. :) Seriously, that's the new "Gnome Shell". It seems people either love it or hate it. I don't mind it, though I use KDE and quite like KDE. I don't know if Cinnamon is available on Debian. Google for Cinnamon + Gnome to understand what that is. |
| 04:25.47 | quebre | don't you KDE me here |
| 04:25.55 | quebre | still too buggy for me |
| 04:25.55 | crazygir | hah |
| 04:25.57 | quebre | ;) |
| 04:25.59 | crazygir | use xfce? |
| 04:26.01 | LtL | quebre: 6.0 → 6.0.4 what kind of 'upgrade?' |
| 04:26.12 | quebre | LtL: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:26.34 | quebre | crazygir: i need the old gnome |
| 04:26.36 | quebre | ;/ |
| 04:26.42 | cilkay | meh... KDE has been ultra-stable for me for a while. I think people just get married to their position and see what they want to see. |
| 04:26.47 | LtL | quebre: that's a huge step, it's probably a broken theme or worse |
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| 04:27.08 | crazygir | cilkay: kde consistently boggs my systems down and makes my eyes hurt |
| 04:27.23 | cilkay | To each their own. |
| 04:27.29 | crazygir | always open minded, try it again, and yea, same position |
| 04:27.46 | crazygir | any input on sun java? |
| 04:27.53 | quebre | cilkay: i got 3 crashes during 7 days of using KDE, i got 1 crash during 2 years while i was on Windowmaker |
| 04:27.57 | cilkay | I've always preferred the look of KDE and it isn't any more resource-intensive than anything else I've tried. |
| 04:28.05 | crazygir | hah |
| 04:28.26 | crazygir | sounds like you may not be paying attention cilkay |
| 04:28.38 | cilkay | to what? |
| 04:28.52 | cilkay | I've metered this. |
| 04:29.08 | cilkay | Any desktop manager is more resource-intensive than a window manageer. |
| 04:29.16 | crazygir | I'm sure |
| 04:29.41 | cilkay | ICEWm is pretty lean but I don't want to use it in the long term. |
| 04:29.50 | cilkay | Same for fvwm, etc. |
| 04:29.55 | cilkay | Again, personal preference. |
| 04:30.08 | LtL | crazygir: it should install from a .deb package with dpkg -i <package.deb> but you would be better off using the repository version. |
| 04:30.49 | crazygir | am I missing something in sources.list then? aptitude doesn't see it |
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| 04:31.30 | cilkay | Besides, I'm not that fussed about my desktop manager using an additional 300M of RAM, which is roughly the delta between ICEWM and KDE. I just upgraded to 16GB of RAM ($100) so a few hundred megs doesn't make much difference. |
| 04:31.31 | crazygir | cilkay: maybe you haven't tried gnome/xfce in comparison, but to say that kde is on par in terms of performance.. |
| 04:31.45 | cilkay | I have tried it. |
| 04:31.50 | cilkay | No difference. |
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| 04:31.57 | crazygir | then maybe you need to continue using older hardware and save some $ |
| 04:31.58 | crazygir | :P |
| 04:32.17 | LtL | crazygir: look at the package sun-java6-jre |
| 04:32.40 | cilkay | I value my time more than a few $. My system isn't exactly state-of-the-art. It's an i5-750 from 2009. |
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| 04:33.01 | cilkay | Hardware is cheap. My time isn't. |
| 04:33.09 | crazygir | no it isn't cheap... |
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| 04:33.11 | LtL | crazygir: you'll need non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:33.17 | cilkay | If you say so. |
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| 04:33.41 | fragrant | Hi, i downloaded , debian-installer_20110106+squeeze4.tar.gz |
| 04:33.48 | fragrant | debian-installer-20110106+squeeze4 |
| 04:33.58 | fragrant | apt-get source debian-installer |
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| 04:34.06 | fragrant | Now how can i customize debian installer? |
| 04:34.09 | crazygir | LtL: I have multimedia non-free |
| 04:34.19 | fragrant | How can i remove the debian logo during installation? |
| 04:34.27 | fragrant | Debian logo and debian name |
| 04:34.32 | fragrant | Where are those images? |
| 04:34.35 | crazygir | LtL: is that separate / different? |
| 04:34.44 | LtL | crazygir: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 04:34.55 | fragrant | I want to customize debian installer and then i want to make custom.iso file |
| 04:35.01 | fragrant | Can anyone answer? |
| 04:35.05 | cilkay | BTW, $VCS is set in /etc/etckeeper/etckeeper.conf. The default is git, which I'll now change to hg. |
| 04:35.54 | LtL | crazygir: or a mirror of your choice. |
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| 04:38.02 | LtL | crazygir: yes it's different. |
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| 04:39.20 | crazygir | LtL: nice, I added to my existing mit mirror, thank you :) |
| 04:39.35 | LtL | crazygir: cheers :) |
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| 04:39.40 | crazygir | I'm not doing enough of these nitty gritty details with apt to always remember |
| 04:39.47 | crazygir | >< |
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| 04:44.11 | crazygir | BAH |
| 04:44.14 | crazygir | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceweasel-javaplugin.so. |
| 04:44.30 | crazygir | this is on IW/FF 11 |
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| 04:45.00 | LtL | crazygir: i think you'll need to symlink that |
| 04:45.02 | crazygir | I'm trying to run a java applet that wants sun >< |
| 04:45.22 | crazygir | manually, instead of through update-alternatives? |
| 04:45.24 | somiaj | crazygir: ls /etcc/alternatives/*java* -- I think the one you are looking for is mozilla-jovaplugin |
| 04:45.29 | somiaj | javaplugin even |
| 04:45.55 | somiaj | oh I guess there is an iceweasle, and iceape one too...:/ |
| 04:46.28 | craigevil | crazygir, if you are using Iceweasel/firefox go to Addons>Plugins and disable the java you dont want to use |
| 04:46.29 | crazygir | http://dpaste.com/722570/ |
| 04:47.06 | craigevil | did you install the sun-java6-plugin? |
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| 04:47.41 | crazygir | that'd be for the browsers specifically? |
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| 04:48.07 | craigevil | yes you need the plugin for the browser |
| 04:48.22 | crazygir | you would be correct, looks like I missed that |
| 04:48.29 | craigevil | aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
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| 04:49.38 | crazygir | yep |
| 04:49.53 | crazygir | well, that worked, but this applet sucks |
| 04:50.14 | crazygir | CODE = "com.raritan.rrc.ui.RRCApplet" ARCHIVE = "sMpc.jar" NAME = "Multi-Platform Client applet" WIDTH = "100%" HEIGHT = "100%" MAYSCRIPT = true scriptable = false pluginspage = "http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html"> |
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| 04:50.30 | crazygir | thanks java, you fail at your primary goal |
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| 04:53.47 | cemiotic | hi, can you help me with the issue: "rtorrent: symbol lookup error: rtorrent: undefined symbol: _ZN7torrent10log_groupsE"? |
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| 05:03.57 | foxtrot9 | cemiotic, if you update the libtorrent library the problem will go away |
| 05:04.28 | foxtrot9 | cemiotic, see here: "rtorrent: symbol lookup error |
| 05:04.34 | foxtrot9 | http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ticket/907 |
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| 05:04.40 | cemiotic | "E: Unable to locate package libtorrent" |
| 05:05.11 | chalcedony | i need something to remind me to do tasks every hour or so, how can i do that? |
| 05:05.28 | foxtrot9 | chalcedony: crontab |
| 05:05.55 | Lady`GirL | Fuck You |
| 05:05.56 | Lady`GirL | Fuck You |
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| 05:06.00 | chalcedony | foxtrot9, that's what i thought, thank you. i don't know much about it though |
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| 05:06.14 | foxtrot9 | lol thank you come again :D |
| 05:06.38 | foxtrot9 | seriously these spammers have nothing else to do |
| 05:06.42 | cemiotic | foxtrot9: "libtorrent-0.13.0" and "rtorrent-0.9.0" |
| 05:07.09 | foxtrot9 | chalcedony, google crontab, there is really good documentation on the web |
| 05:07.22 | chalcedony | foxtrot9, thank you |
| 05:08.00 | chalcedony | my big issue of the moment is that i *must* type something or cycle a particlar channel, every hour |
| 05:08.20 | chalcedony | i have to be there |
| 05:08.33 | chalcedony | the price for idling is too high. |
| 05:09.08 | chalcedony | if i'm idle there i need xchat to cycle the channel, and after cycling a few times it should part |
| 05:09.30 | foxtrot9 | why should you need to cycle? |
| 05:09.58 | chalcedony | foxtrot9, rules |
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| 05:10.24 | TheSarge | Okay I havent used emacs in a while, but didnt it used to be a console editor? |
| 05:10.25 | chalcedony | can't be a bad example |
| 05:10.33 | cemiotic | hi, can someone help me with the issue: "rtorrent: symbol lookup error: rtorrent: undefined symbol: _ZN7torrent10log_groupsE"? |
| 05:10.43 | chalcedony | TheSarge, yeah |
| 05:10.45 | TheSarge | cause every bin the emacs package installs is opening an X editor? |
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| 05:10.57 | chalcedony | TheSarge, use vi(m) |
| 05:11.31 | TheSarge | No.. |
| 05:11.39 | TheSarge | I am not trying to use vim |
| 05:11.50 | TheSarge | I am trying to use emacs, in the console.. |
| 05:12.06 | TheSarge | If I wanted to use vim I would have asked a question regarding vim |
| 05:12.27 | mmnicolas | Could anyone give me a clue as to where to troubleshoot an ssh connection with a growing freeze time at every 512 bytes of text input ? After ten minutes it freezes for 3-4 seconds, after a day, for 15-20 seconds |
| 05:12.30 | TheSarge | Does anyone know how to get the normal emacs console version? |
| 05:12.33 | chalcedony | TheSarge, ah .. i use vi(m).. not emacs unless it's the last thing |
| 05:13.05 | foxtrot9 | mmnicolas, that's an interesting issue you got there |
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| 05:14.34 | Dulak | mmnicolas: run you ssh session with -v and see what the verbose output is when that happens |
| 05:14.42 | mmnicolas | foxtrot9: I'm measuring it by holding a key on the keyboard, do you know of a better way ? |
| 05:15.38 | foxtrot9 | cemiotic, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423107 |
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| 05:16.01 | cemiotic | hi, can someone help me with the issue: "rtorrent: symbol lookup error: rtorrent: undefined symbol: _ZN7torrent10log_groupsE"? |
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| 05:16.58 | foxtrot9 | cemiotic, read msg 58 on that page, you will find your answer |
| 05:17.27 | cemiotic | which one is numbered 58? |
| 05:17.36 | foxtrot9 | ugh... |
| 05:17.41 | foxtrot9 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423107#58 |
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| 05:20.19 | foxtrot9 | mmnicolas, its your connection speed |
| 05:20.44 | foxtrot9 | I had the same issue at work when I ssh'ed into a server from home |
| 05:21.07 | mmnicolas | foxtrot9: It's in a small LAN, and only when I ssh my LXC containers, when I ssh the host it's all right |
| 05:21.19 | foxtrot9 | its network latency |
| 05:21.27 | kingsley | Which command reveals which nameserver will be asked to translate domain names into IP addresses? |
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| 05:21.35 | foxtrot9 | kingsley, DNS |
| 05:22.15 | dumbintel | how can I boot in single-user mode on kfreebsd and grub? |
| 05:22.16 | mmnicolas | figured it might also have something to do with the host bridge or the virtualized ethernet stuff |
| 05:22.55 | foxtrot9 | kingsley, if you look at /etc/resolv.conf, you will see a list of DNS servers |
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| 05:24.17 | mmnicolas | In fact, if I ping www.local (the problematic host) replies are always stable, but when it hangs, they just won't show up for a few seconds then appear all at once |
| 05:24.32 | foxtrot9 | dumbintel, not sure if the BSD version of debian is the same but at the grub prompt, after the kernel line enter in single at the end of the line |
| 05:24.41 | mmnicolas | would that mean that they're being sent on time but they're bottlenecking at the bridge ? |
| 05:25.06 | foxtrot9 | mmnicolas, you can use traceroute to check where its getting stuck at |
| 05:25.06 | kingsley | foxtrot9: OK. Thanks. |
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| 05:58.33 | nsadmin | how does postgres in debian know its port? |
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| 06:00.57 | nsadmin | like, I have a psql-8.3 that when installed decided to put itself on (non-default) port 5433, and psql somehow knows this... |
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| 06:01.04 | nsadmin | how dat? |
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| 06:07.46 | TheSarge | hi |
| 06:08.48 | onoez_omg | is it a generally good idea to use ksplice and does it need /boot to be mounted during updates? |
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| 06:09.11 | nsadmin | what's ksplice? |
| 06:09.34 | onoez_omg | nsadmin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice |
| 06:10.33 | nsadmin | you were the one who brought it up... who else is responding? |
| 06:11.00 | nsadmin | actually never mind; no longer motivated |
| 06:11.18 | onoez_omg | well i was just curious to hear something from those who had practical experience using it |
| 06:11.29 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:11.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:11.39 | onoez_omg | wtf |
| 06:11.44 | nsadmin | :) |
| 06:12.13 | onoez_omg | i thought it is not related to my current behavior, is it? |
| 06:12.28 | nsadmin | especially: make it easy for us to help you. |
| 06:13.05 | onoez_omg | oh apologies if i brought it wrong |
| 06:13.18 | nsadmin | so far I still don't know what ksplice does, and having said that, I was surprised that some particular partition |
| 06:13.31 | nsadmin | 's mount or not mount had influence |
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| 06:14.35 | onoez_omg | well i guess i just have to get deeper understanding of what it actually does |
| 06:15.15 | nsadmin | when you zoom out enough to where your original want is, what is that? |
| 06:16.11 | nsadmin | that is, what do you actually want to accomplish that has something to do with a particular solution involving a mount of /boot and ksplice? |
| 06:16.48 | nsadmin | knowing that is when me or anyone can help you the most |
| 06:17.20 | onoez_omg | ksplice is an extension for kernel that updates the running kernel in memory and i got a server with luks-encrypted root and /boot on detachable media |
| 06:17.43 | nsadmin | oh, so like booting a kernel without restarting? |
| 06:17.49 | onoez_omg | yup |
| 06:18.08 | cemiotic | foxtrot9: you have been very helpful. thanks |
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| 06:18.29 | nsadmin | ok... so first, how time-sensitive is this? |
| 06:18.44 | nsadmin | is it something that has to be done immediately? |
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| 06:19.07 | nsadmin | being a remote server, that by itself, is enough to give pause |
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| 06:19.23 | onoez_omg | well it brings the mechanism for applying updates from vendor |
| 06:19.32 | haotian | there isn't git-gui in the debian package manager, however I see gitk, does it do the same job ? |
| 06:19.52 | onoez_omg | if i understood ur question correctly |
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| 06:19.57 | nsadmin | ok, I understand there can be a need for that |
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| 06:20.37 | onoez_omg | server itslef situated nextdoor lol |
| 06:20.49 | nsadmin | so then, my question becomes, is there anything wrong with rebooting? and having asked that, could you wait until there are staff in the data center? |
| 06:21.16 | nsadmin | oh, it's close to you? will they let you in there to tend your box? |
| 06:21.40 | onoez_omg | it stores sensitive private data and russian datacenters r known to be not reliable in "cases" |
| 06:22.21 | haotian | there isn't git-gui in the debian package manager, however I see gitk, does it do the same job ? |
| 06:22.35 | onoez_omg | so in case i leave the building i remove /boot with all keyfiles and feel that everything is fine |
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| 06:23.06 | nsadmin | haotian, git-gui, not sure that's around, but gitk is in separate package |
| 06:23.22 | onoez_omg | but i often travel by work and i kinda want it to stay there and do whatever it wants without /boot |
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| 06:24.00 | onoez_omg | and so i met ksplice and practical questions related to it hah |
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| 06:24.22 | craigevil | haotian, gitg - git repository viewer for gtk+/GNOME |
| 06:24.32 | mms_ | I was doing software update using update manager and it ran out of space. So I thought to do aptitude clean and it said to run dpk --configure -a. It also now gives some error. how to proceed ? |
| 06:24.34 | nsadmin | ok, so yeah, I can understand now why you want someone with some experience with it |
| 06:24.59 | craigevil | ,versions git-gui |
| 06:25.00 | judd | Package: git-gui on i386 -- lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.3; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.9-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.7.9.1-1; wheezy: 1:1.7.9.1-1 |
| 06:25.20 | nsadmin | ahh, and there's git-gui :) |
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| 06:25.38 | mms_ | error is dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0085' near line 0: newline in field name '#padding' |
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| 06:27.01 | mms_ | should I delete that file...all it has is lots of lines with text as #padding |
| 06:27.10 | craigevil | mms_, edit the file and either delete the info for the messed up package or fix it, make a backup copy first |
| 06:27.31 | mms_ | craigevil: all it has is #padding on all lines |
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| 06:27.50 | craigevil | mms_, i would make a backup just in case then delete it |
| 06:27.56 | mms_ | ok |
| 06:28.00 | nsadmin | do that first |
| 06:28.07 | nsadmin | before you do anything else |
| 06:28.22 | haotian | I was getting installing git but it asked me to insert debian installation cd to "/media/blabla" can't it just install over inter ? What shall I do now ? |
| 06:28.47 | craigevil | haotian, comment out the cd and pastebin your sources.list |
| 06:29.46 | somiaj | haotian: yes fix your sources.list to only include internet sources. |
| 06:30.00 | mms_ | looks like dpkg --configure -a is tyring to setup things since update manager iself ended with an error will configure get through ? |
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| 06:30.40 | craigevil | mms_, it should if not pastebin the errors |
| 06:31.00 | mms_ | ok so far going smooth |
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| 06:33.17 | haotian | how can I send a message over lan from debian box to windows box ? |
| 06:33.45 | nsadmin | what effect do you want on the win box |
| 06:33.48 | somiaj | haotian: what kinda of message? |
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| 06:35.24 | haotian | Dunno, maybe something like netsend * (I used on windows 98) |
| 06:35.30 | haotian | anything actually is fine |
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| 06:37.24 | haotian | preferably any message, as long as I can copy/paste the received message |
| 06:37.54 | somiaj | haotian: you could use one of the many IM's out there. |
| 06:38.12 | haotian | do I really have to use an IM ? Isn't there a network protocol or something |
| 06:38.15 | somiaj | haotian: or just use putty, ssh into your linux box, and get the info from inside a text file |
| 06:38.15 | haotian | that I can use |
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| 06:38.52 | haotian | oh ssh yea right, also telnet might work |
| 06:39.07 | somiaj | haotian: I don't know of any service that windows would be running that will just accept network messengers. There maybe something, but I personally just use putty and ssh to copy paste info back and forth between a linux box and a windows box |
| 06:39.56 | haotian | alright I will dig into this, I remember using gnome I made some remote connection setting over ssh |
| 06:40.02 | haotian | probably that's for putty |
| 06:40.26 | haotian | Telnet connection attempt timed out, means that I have to port forward at router ? |
| 06:40.34 | haotian | thought both pc's are in lan |
| 06:40.40 | somiaj | haotian: most likely it means you don't have a telnet server running |
| 06:40.49 | haotian | ah true :) |
| 06:41.01 | haotian | let me try with ssh |
| 06:42.32 | somiaj | you may not have an ssh server running (Though if you installed the ssh package you will) |
| 06:42.43 | mms_ | craigevil: all went good...openoffice stuff which had failed due to space after clean I am reinstalling with update manager ...and its going smooth |
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| 06:43.33 | craigevil | mms_, nice, i had debian with lxde, openoffice on a Eee netbook with a 4gb ssd and still had around 1.5GB free |
| 06:44.29 | Kobaz | with pulseaudio, how would i allow root to play sounds, when the daemon is running as a user (root get device or resource busy, user can play just fine) |
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| 06:45.56 | mms_ | craigevil: I am on hp mini netbook and I have 16gb ssd. I allocated 8 each to xp and debian. Debian I think was using space for apt cache ....now system is up to date. I think I should upgrade the ssd and get larger capacity |
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| 06:46.42 | ecstoian | good morning |
| 06:46.55 | mms_ | ok bye guys |
| 06:46.57 | craigevil | mms_, only have a 16GB HD on this ancient Thinkpad, yeah you can run apt-get clean to remove files from cache |
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| 06:47.17 | somiaj | Kobaz: why do you want root to play the sounds, why not just su - user (and then play the sounds as your user) |
| 06:48.19 | haotian | somiaj :: what is the gnome, remote desktop, for ? rLogin over putty ? |
| 06:48.42 | rwp | Looking for a brainstorm... How can I tell from a remote ssh login if someone is actively using an XFCE desktop session? |
| 06:49.12 | somiaj | haotian: not sure, I don't use gnome. |
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| 06:50.21 | nsadmin | rwp, run an xfce session. look around, compare existance of files before and after you start (as a first-cut example) |
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| 06:50.48 | ecstoian | I have two 500GB WD HDDs that I want to set up using RAID 0 using the squeeze installer. Problem is, grub fails to install on the resulting 1 TB partition. Is it possible to create the /boot partition outside of the RAID array ? |
| 06:51.13 | rwp | nsadmin, Reasonable. Tried it already. But didn't turn up anything. In the old days I could tell the access time for the keyboard and mouse. |
| 06:51.47 | nsadmin | ecstoian, remake the partitions a bit smaller so you can add the /boot on one of them |
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| 06:53.05 | ecstoian | nsadmin: but how do I add it outside the array ? |
| 06:53.13 | haotian | I tried to do rLogin over Putty to the debian box with remote desktop configured with a fixed password, putty simply terminated with an error sound and no error message upon entering some rLogin: <username> password: <the_password_I_set_on_debian_box> |
| 06:53.48 | nsadmin | are you not having the array on partitions (not drives)? |
| 06:54.05 | ecstoian | nsadmin: I'm having it on drives. |
| 06:54.09 | nsadmin | you do it by actually partitioning the drives |
| 06:54.24 | sephii | recently upgraded my testing install, can't print anymore with the foomatic filters (blank pages come out). using cups+gutenprint works though. anyone else got this problem? |
| 06:54.55 | somiaj | sephii: testing users should know to first check the BTS to see if it is a known bug |
| 06:55.09 | nsadmin | then you won't be able to do that, unless you disassemble the array, partition both drives, then reestablish the array on partitions |
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| 06:56.49 | nsadmin | btw, such an array seems fragile, unless you keep backups appropriately (and know how to restore) |
| 06:58.31 | ecstoian | nsadmin: Have any idea ifl establishing the array on partitions vs establishing it on drives will negatively affect performance ? |
| 06:59.26 | nsadmin | not if you start and end the partitions on cyl boundaries |
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| 07:01.00 | ecstoian | nsadmin: don't know how to do that :) |
| 07:01.14 | nsadmin | fdisk will do that for you |
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| 07:01.47 | nsadmin | find out how much space one physical cylendar is |
| 07:03.05 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe it isn't worth it, like if one cyl is like 5g or something, but it shouldn't be that big |
| 07:04.16 | nsadmin | let;s back up a sec |
| 07:04.39 | nsadmin | so, you originally wanted a way to have a separate storage for /boot |
| 07:04.41 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 07:05.15 | haotian | Craigwd_2000 :: here is my sources.list file http://pastebin.com/Bu6txmw8 |
| 07:05.45 | haotian | Umm, telnet server on lan refused connection (didn't time out) what should I do ? (SSH server works nice) |
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| 07:06.05 | somiaj | haotian: comment out line 5 (that is a cdrom line you don't want) |
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| 07:06.48 | somiaj | haotian: then add a line deb http://mirror/debian squeeze main contrib non-free (only add the non-free if you want non-free repos) |
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| 07:07.03 | somiaj | !tell haotian -about squeeze sources.list |
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| 07:07.33 | haotian | and I would also appreciate if you can tell me what is the ctrl+f (search/find) equivalence in debian terminal (bash I guess) |
| 07:07.43 | nsadmin | btw, another thing you can do instead of a raid0 is to have a 1-cyl partition for /boot, and then an almost 500g partn on I guess sda, and a 500g on sdb, and do lvm instead of raid |
| 07:08.06 | somiaj | haotian: bash doens't have one, (not sure if any terminal has one too) |
| 07:08.32 | somiaj | haotian: but various programs do have it, less and manpages both use /foo to search for foo (hit the slash first) |
| 07:09.02 | onoez_omg | haotian, u may wanna look at `find` command, u also can refer to manual pages for it using man command like `man find` and probably u wanna find some usage examples on google |
| 07:09.04 | ecstoian | nsadmin: yes, I wanted to create a separate partition for boot, because I've read that it may solve the grub install error. |
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| 07:09.46 | haotian | thanks a lot that ssh is awesome, now I dont need to run back to other computer :) |
| 07:09.50 | haotian | I can sit here and command it |
| 07:09.55 | ecstoian | nsadmin: I've received instructions to use RAID, so I cannot object :) |
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| 07:10.44 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.02 | haotian | somiaj :: contrib non-free parameters stand for what ? |
| 07:11.03 | onoez_omg | haotian, this is only the beginning, when u'll get used to all that stuff and realize that there r no limits, u wont regret that u was reading tons of papers for sure, it totally worth it |
| 07:11.47 | haotian | I only wish when I was 12 instead of playing games I wish I installed a linux :( |
| 07:11.50 | ecstoian | nsadmin: Okay. Thank you very much. Hope grub will install correctly this time :) |
| 07:11.59 | nsadmin | you can have the same partition scheme in both forms; you're going for raid0 |
| 07:12.32 | nsadmin | if raid0 requires same lenght partitions, then partition the two drives identically |
| 07:12.41 | somiaj | haotian: there are three repos that debian uses, main (this is most of debian, but only contains stuff that complies to the DFSG), contrib (This contains things that aren't offically part of debian but are provided as some people find them useful, they usualy work with nonfree stuff) and non-free (these are things that do not comply to the DFSG, but are sometimes needed/useful (flash, non-free firmware, binary packages from nvidia and the li |
| 07:13.38 | haotian | oh thx |
| 07:13.40 | somiaj | for example flashplugin-nonfree is a part of contrib because it is just a script that downloads the non-free plugin from adobe |
| 07:13.52 | threadlock | "and the li" |
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| 07:14.19 | somiaj | so though the script itself fits the DSFG the script is used to install non-free software on your system so it is put in contrib |
| 07:14.25 | somiaj | threadlock: the likes |
| 07:15.24 | threadlock | heh.. ;) |
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| 07:23.00 | haotian | onoez_omg :: now tell me how to close that manual ! (: |
| 07:23.32 | onoez_omg | haotian, just `q` |
| 07:23.40 | littlebit | hi, i wonder if there is a way how to search the content of files for a specific expression. is there some kind of console command for it? |
| 07:23.42 | haotian | thx lol it's a pain if you don't know that (: |
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| 07:23.57 | nkuttler | littlebit: grep |
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| 07:24.16 | luke_ | I have a server im rebuilding, going to be using madam raid1. I have two 16GB SSD's that will contain a 10gb / and 6GB swap, then two 1tb 6gb sataIII dirves that will have 50GB /usr 10GB /var 10GB /tmp and 929GB /home Sound reasonable? |
| 07:24.27 | luke_ | Will be a web server running large postgresql databases |
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| 07:25.01 | nsadmin | littlebit, give an example of an expression |
| 07:25.13 | somiaj | luke_: I assume you want root on the ssd for speed improvements, I would include /usr as part of that |
| 07:25.43 | littlebit | nkutter:yes but how do i say like "search all the files in this folder for this expression" (as an expression lets say "#include bla.h") |
| 07:25.50 | luke_ | somiaj: wont that take up alot of space though? |
| 07:26.00 | luke_ | I dont want to run out |
| 07:26.02 | somiaj | luke_: what sort of stuff are you putting on your server |
| 07:26.13 | onoez_omg | haotian, keybindings is something that bothers at first, but talking of more complicated things, u can always find bindings cheat-sheets in usage/help sections of applications, `man`page or using google in case |
| 07:26.16 | somiaj | luke_: it takes me a lot of software to fill up 10 gigs |
| 07:26.28 | luke_ | Postgres databases and web sites, so im guessing a big /var and /home should be fine ? |
| 07:26.59 | nkuttler | littlebit: see man grep |
| 07:27.01 | somiaj | luke_: yea, the actual binaries for that software probablay won't take more than 2-3 gigs |
| 07:27.07 | nsadmin | so in that example you want to find any file that contains #include <bla.h> |
| 07:27.11 | nsadmin | yes? |
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| 07:27.27 | nsadmin | or maybe #include "bla.h" |
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| 07:27.34 | somiaj | luke_: its the data that takes up most the space. if you plan to store you databases and webpages inside of /var, you may find 10gigs a bit small for that. |
| 07:27.46 | luke_ | yea ill increase that |
| 07:28.09 | nsadmin | luke_, you may wish to consider lvm |
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| 07:28.53 | luke_ | I would love to use zfs, but fear its to experimental in lunux (coming from freebsd) |
| 07:28.56 | somiaj | luke_: note you can always configure your database server and webserver to store their data in /home, if you want to keep /var small and just store logs, info for dpkg/apt, etc. |
| 07:28.59 | littlebit | nkutter ok |
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| 07:29.51 | somiaj | luke_: and yes, lvm would be nice so you can adjust your patition sizes as you start to see where space is being used. |
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| 07:30.14 | haotian | any idea why connection could be refused from windows telnet to debian box over the right port |
| 07:30.40 | somiaj | haotian: because you don't have a telnet server running? |
| 07:30.49 | somiaj | haotian: most will just use ssh as telnet is insecure. |
| 07:30.49 | nsadmin | this approach will require you to not use all the space in the pv at the start |
| 07:31.50 | haotian | somiaj :: does the debian installer ask me whether it should install telnet server during installation ? (I remember I checked in web server, file server, ssh server but can't remember telnet) |
| 07:32.05 | haotian | because if it asks, 99% I choosed it |
| 07:32.35 | somiaj | most likely not, as I said most consider telnet insecure and so it won't be a default option to choose |
| 07:32.48 | somiaj | ssh is the method to use |
| 07:33.01 | nsadmin | haotian, if you want to be hacked, by all means, install telnetd |
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| 07:33.40 | haotian | ow |
| 07:33.52 | luke_ | somiaj: ok so lvm with a 10gb / and 6gb swap on my SSD's in madam raid 1, then use lvm on my 1tbs (in raid1 madam), can I do that? |
| 07:34.26 | somiaj | luke_: sure, also any reason you need 6 gigs of swap? |
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| 07:36.16 | onoez_omg | well it can be useful under heavy ddos attacks according to my experience lol |
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| 07:37.23 | somiaj | onoez_omg: how? If something starts eatting up your ram, swaping the ram will sometimes slow your machine down enough to can stop it before it crashes |
| 07:37.42 | somiaj | but I dn't see the slowdown being that noticable on an ssd |
| 07:37.51 | derebel | getting 404 when running apt-get update, looks like ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org (i'm running lenny) |
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| 07:38.26 | somiaj | derebel: lenny has moved off the main servers (as it is no longer supported) and is no on archive.debian.org |
| 07:38.32 | somiaj | you also will get no security supports for it |
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| 07:39.12 | derebel | somiaj, that makes sense thanks, this is one of the last systems running lenny anyway |
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| 07:40.00 | luke_ | somiaj: dunno really |
| 07:40.06 | luke_ | overkill? |
| 07:40.29 | somiaj | luke_: it really depends on memory ussage and how much memory you have on your system |
| 07:40.54 | luke_ | Have around 16GB i think |
| 07:40.57 | somiaj | luke_: large swap is nice for hibernating the system, but I doubt you'll do that on a server, so it is just a safty net depending on how much ram you expect to use. |
| 07:41.40 | onoez_omg | in this case i guess it doesnt need that much swap space for sure |
| 07:41.44 | somiaj | if you system never uses more than 16gigs of ram that swap is wasted, but it is nice to have some fallback in the case you start using it. |
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| 07:42.01 | luke_ | Ok, soll ill save 2GB of swap space on my SSD then? Just in case |
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| 07:42.14 | luke_ | Im also going to attempt zfs |
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| 07:42.26 | LordShiva | well he can always limit number of processes :) |
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| 07:42.51 | LordShiva | If he dont want to get fukd up by runaway process |
| 07:43.35 | Trewas | isn't swap on SSD pretty shortsighted idea? if it is actively used the limited number of write-cycles can get wasted quickly |
| 07:43.52 | LordShiva | With 16 GB of RAM you can enjoy you will not ever probably use a swap partition except if you want to do a lot of CAD and CAM programs |
| 07:44.21 | somiaj | Trewas: yea I don't use swap on my system with an ssd for that reason |
| 07:44.29 | somiaj | (though 12 gigs of ram on a desktop is overkill) |
| 07:44.49 | tralala | I don't use swap on a 2GB system |
| 07:45.02 | Trewas | yeah, I don't have swap in my desktop with lowly 8GB of ram |
| 07:45.05 | CosmicB | who need more than 512KB of ram (?) :p |
| 07:45.06 | LordShiva | Really what is your stand about swap is it better to use ssd or spindle disk for swap ? |
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| 07:45.15 | onoez_omg | and there is a thing, i'm too nub to remember it, but i used to limit resources that system shared per sql query operation on mysql, i guess it could be done with postgre too |
| 07:45.42 | onoez_omg | it is a good idea also because it is a good counter-measure against injections |
| 07:46.10 | luke_ | Wiping a 1tb zfs drive takes forever!! |
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| 07:46.29 | luke_ | Can i just delete the data with cfdisk? Or is it best to wipe it properly |
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| 07:47.01 | somiaj | luke_: personal opinion, do you care if someone tries to recover info of that drive? |
| 07:47.10 | luke_ | no |
| 07:47.27 | tralala | luke_, it depends on your needs, but my guess is that recreating the filesystem will do the job. |
| 07:47.33 | somiaj | luke_: then just write a new filesystem on top of the partition, no reason to wipe it first. |
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| 07:48.09 | LordShiva | luke_, are you running debian with zfs ? |
| 07:48.28 | luke_ | LordShiva: i will be |
| 07:48.56 | LordShiva | That is great I didnt tried it yet |
| 07:49.07 | somiaj | luke_: you could use debian kfreebsd if you prefer a bsd style kernel. (: |
| 07:49.12 | LordShiva | What are performances of zfs vs ext3 ? |
| 07:49.15 | ChrisH | luke_: using the BSD Kernel or ? Having ZFS with the Linux Kernel would be best |
| 07:49.25 | luke_ | ChrisH: linux kernel |
| 07:49.30 | luke_ | I <3 zfs |
| 07:49.44 | ChrisH | luke_: avaliable since when? |
| 07:51.47 | luke_ | its available on linux with fuse |
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| 07:53.27 | tralala | fuse is not a performance champion |
| 07:53.42 | ChrisH | luke_: ah OK... I want to boot from ZFS and have it in the kernel. |
| 07:54.03 | ChrisH | But I love ZFS and use it on Solaris heavily |
| 07:54.27 | LordShiva | There is a story about that a zfs plus fuse is slow |
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| 07:54.35 | LordShiva | and there is a native driver |
| 07:54.36 | LordShiva | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_kqzfs_benchmarks&num=1 |
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| 07:55.25 | luke_ | somiaj: I have just on the installed setup a software raid on my two 16GB ssd drives for /, it then creates one Raid1 device, I select this as ext4 and /, that correct? |
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| 07:55.44 | luke_ | E.g. I setup my new software raid device as ext4 and to mount on / then install onto it |
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| 07:56.49 | LordShiva | ext3 is faster than ext4 |
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| 07:57.30 | luke_ | LordShiva: never use zfs on root |
| 07:57.34 | luke_ | Well i wouldn't |
| 07:58.13 | LordShiva | of course |
| 07:58.27 | LordShiva | here is a zfs native driver check it http://zfsonlinux.org/ |
| 07:58.46 | LordShiva | it is faster than fuse |
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| 07:59.25 | ChrisH | Running Solaris zfs-root makes lot of sense. snapshoting before patching, fast Liveupgrade. If you know this you want it for Linux as well :) |
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| 08:01.20 | gnarface | hey guys |
| 08:01.39 | gnarface | fucking udisks-daemon died on me again and hung this fsck process |
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| 08:01.57 | gnarface | i can't even kill -9 it |
| 08:02.13 | LordShiva | do you have bad blocks ? |
| 08:02.27 | gnarface | LordShiva: irrelevant |
| 08:02.50 | gnarface | LordShiva: this is related to plugging in a usb device. it has not even been mounted. i believe if i unplug it now the system will IO lock |
| 08:02.55 | gnarface | LordShiva: suggestions? |
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| 08:03.29 | LordShiva | unplug |
| 08:03.39 | LordShiva | and then init 1 and run fsck ? |
| 08:04.01 | gnarface | i was plugging it in to run fsck on it |
| 08:04.09 | gnarface | its unplugged now |
| 08:04.14 | gnarface | terminal still hung |
| 08:04.42 | LordShiva | wait you may have bad connector |
| 08:04.47 | gnarface | how can i permanently disable udisks daemon? |
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| 08:04.56 | gnarface | this is unacceptable behavior regardless of the state of the hardware |
| 08:04.57 | LordShiva | dunno |
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| 08:05.00 | gnarface | i've got a hung root terminal here |
| 08:05.18 | gnarface | it worked a moment ago |
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| 08:05.34 | gnarface | and this problem is rare but directly related to udisks-daemon. it never happened before this |
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| 08:09.25 | luke_ | Im using debain stable and keep getting "Mirror does not support the specified release squeeze" on offical debian mirrors, as well as more local mirrors |
| 08:10.49 | LordShiva | you are installing luke_ |
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| 08:11.49 | phet | hi I installed debian testing through vmware in my macbook, I am using xfce, how can I get sound? |
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| 08:12.21 | gnarface | ok well |
| 08:12.24 | gnarface | hung on shutdown |
| 08:12.32 | gnarface | i had to use magic sysrq |
| 08:12.36 | gnarface | now |
| 08:12.39 | luke_ | LordDeath: yea but think it was my network issue |
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| 08:12.50 | gnarface | 1) how do i permanently remove udisks-daemon and make it never return again? |
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| 08:16.14 | ecstoian | nsadmin: Grub installed successfully now. |
| 08:16.26 | ecstoian | nsadmin: I'm glad :) |
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| 08:17.14 | LordShiva | luke_, check did you wrote mirror correctly |
| 08:17.28 | LordShiva | I had simmilar mistake when I was installing |
| 08:18.07 | LordShiva | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze |
| 08:18.33 | LordShiva | you can switch to VT4 to see output |
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| 08:48.28 | slash_ | how can I get debian to reread the network config out of /etc/network/interfaces without rebooting? |
| 08:49.17 | sephii | slash_: /etc/init.d/networking restart iirc |
| 08:49.25 | sephii | slash_: or ifdown/ifup |
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| 08:50.20 | mashed | the networking init script has never worked for me |
| 08:50.55 | mashed | I tend to do the changes manually using ip then put them in the /etc/netwok/interfaces file. |
| 08:51.00 | slash_ | sephii /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't make a change |
| 08:51.01 | mashed | this approach is onviously dangerous |
| 08:51.11 | mashed | obviously |
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| 08:51.54 | mashed | slash_: try /etc/init.d/networking reload |
| 08:52.03 | mashed | rather than restart |
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| 08:52.51 | slash_ | mashed: then i get an usage error;) it offers me only start|stop but restart worked |
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| 08:53.38 | mashed | slash_: it /did/ work ir /didn't/ |
| 08:53.49 | mashed | s/ir/or/ |
| 08:54.10 | slash_ | It said it did anything but I could see any difference, sry^^ |
| 08:54.22 | slash_ | at networking restart |
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| 08:54.33 | slash_ | at networking reload I got an usage error |
| 08:54.36 | BenNZ | slash_: sudo service networking stop , then sudo service networking start |
| 08:54.44 | mashed | im just looking on debian wiki because I would like to know too |
| 08:54.46 | darkelfjuggalo | where do i get unrar? |
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| 08:55.00 | mashed | BenNZ: that doesn't help if doing it remotely. |
| 08:55.13 | mashed | darkelfjuggalo: rarlabs.com |
| 08:55.33 | BenNZ | mashed: true , but isnt running /etc/init.d/networking depreciated now? |
| 08:55.36 | slash_ | BenNZ. that doesn't do anything either o.O |
| 08:55.50 | slash_ | after stop i still have network |
| 08:56.13 | mashed | BenNZ: I hope so, it has never worked as expected |
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| 08:56.38 | slash_ | mashed: at the mom im not remote so its no prob^^ |
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| 08:57.14 | BenNZ | mashed: and couldnt sudo service networking stop && sudo service networking start be done remotely? |
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| 08:58.01 | slash_ | in screen i guess it would |
| 08:58.16 | mashed | BenNZ: possibly but you cant guaranteee your session will still be active before the second part of the command is run |
| 08:58.21 | mashed | unless ofc you do it in tmux |
| 08:58.56 | BenNZ | mashed: true |
| 08:59.07 | darkelfjuggalo | ok now how do i install it from .tar.gz pgk? |
| 08:59.34 | mashed | darkelfjuggalo: tar zxf filename.tar.gz |
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| 09:00.04 | mashed | it shoundn't require any dependancies just run `unrar -h` for usage info |
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| 09:01.55 | darkelfjuggalo | i did as you sais ad it says bash unrar command not found |
| 09:02.12 | mashed | slash_: here we go |
| 09:02.15 | mashed | man ifup |
| 09:02.21 | mashed | you should be able to do ifup -a |
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| 09:03.29 | mashed | im not going to try it as I would probably kill my connection |
| 09:03.43 | mashed | darkelfjuggalo: ./unrar |
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| 09:04.21 | slash_ | mashed: thanks that works but only if u have auto iface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:04.43 | darkelfjuggalo | no such directory found |
| 09:04.53 | darkelfjuggalo | no such file or directory |
| 09:04.54 | mashed | slash_: then you need to specify the interface manually eg `ifup eth0:4` |
| 09:05.25 | slash_ | mashed: im fine with having auto eth0 in the file^^ |
| 09:05.52 | mashed | darkelfjuggalo: I assume you are lacking basic command line skills. Please read a tutorial |
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| 09:06.47 | darkelfjuggalo | i know how to deal with aptitude, apt-get, and some if commands |
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| 09:07.21 | darkelfjuggalo | typically when i install something there is a .deb available and i can use the gdebi package installer |
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| 09:08.15 | mashed | darkelfjuggalo: there is a package available in the non-free repository but I am unsure how that will affect your setup and suggested you got it manually |
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| 09:08.51 | darkelfjuggalo | i tried the repository and it said it wasn't available for download |
| 09:09.02 | mashed | add 'non-free' to your sources.list file and apt-get update, you can then search for it |
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| 09:09.25 | darkelfjuggalo | i do |
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| 09:10.18 | darkelfjuggalo | must have hada typo i overlooked just tried the repository again and working |
| 09:10.56 | Guest5473 | hello |
| 09:11.06 | mashed | ciao |
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| 09:11.18 | Guest5473 | this is so fucking awesome |
| 09:11.34 | mashed | what is |
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| 09:12.14 | Guest5473 | this chat room app I am on my blackberry |
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| 09:14.04 | omgitsblackberry | noooooo |
| 09:14.11 | nsadmin | Guest5473, yay! Got a debian support issue you'd like to bring up? |
| 09:14.28 | omgitsblackberry | changed my name hahahashshshsh |
| 09:15.00 | omgitsblackberry | just fuck off |
| 09:15.02 | nsadmin | if no, #defocus if yes, /msg dpkg ask |
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| 09:15.22 | omgitsblackberry | I'm a racist bastard |
| 09:15.28 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:15.48 | omgitsblackberry | would you fuck off please |
| 09:15.55 | nsadmin | !ops omgitsblackberry typical trolling |
| 09:15.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: omgitsblackberry typical trolling |
| 09:15.59 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:16.20 | tralala | omgitsblackberry, soon you would |
| 09:16.34 | omgitsblackberry | I love ppenis |
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| 09:17.55 | mashed | Has anyone got any expierance with haproxy vs lvs? |
| 09:18.01 | kloeri | omgitsblackberry: stop trolling please |
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| 09:18.22 | omgitsblackberry | why |
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| 09:18.37 | kloeri | because I'm asking you to |
| 09:18.39 | idimmu | ive used lvs before |
| 09:18.49 | gnarface | i have limited haproxy experience |
| 09:18.56 | idimmu | i have none \o/ |
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| 09:19.21 | mashed | idimmu: i've used both in a test but I would like to know if you had any major problems setting either up. |
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| 09:19.35 | mashed | gnarface: @ you too |
| 09:19.37 | RichiH | nsadmin: ta |
| 09:19.43 | idimmu | mashed: not really any problems |
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| 09:19.52 | idimmu | i contributed some code to lvsadmin to make it better |
| 09:19.56 | nsadmin | RichiH, back atcha |
| 09:19.58 | idimmu | but im not sure what it's state is |
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| 09:20.06 | bunny69 | what is the best "visual" ftp client for console? |
| 09:20.26 | idimmu | we successfully used it to serve 2 million users in the uk http/pop/smtp |
| 09:20.28 | nsadmin | I use smelling fto clients |
| 09:20.34 | idimmu | so it's pretty good? |
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| 09:20.49 | idimmu | http://www.idimmu.net/2008/01/08/High-availability-with-LVS-using-LVSadmin |
| 09:20.53 | idimmu | dunno if that helps |
| 09:20.59 | mashed | idimmu: Did you use it in a nat setup or the packet mangeling setup? |
| 09:21.00 | nsadmin | you have to install a laser pinter in your nose... |
| 09:21.23 | idimmu | rewrote mac address of incoming packets and put them back on the wire iir |
| 09:21.46 | mashed | idimmu: and no scalability problems with that? |
| 09:22.12 | idimmu | nope |
| 09:22.21 | mashed | I have to say I am prefering lvs over haproxy as it is lower level it has more potential |
| 09:22.31 | idimmu | you can do more with it |
| 09:23.33 | mashed | however SSL is an interesting issue and keeping certificates in sync will be easier if we use used a https terminator such as haproxy |
| 09:23.56 | idimmu | we served https via lvs |
| 09:23.58 | idimmu | and it was ok |
| 09:24.04 | nsadmin | bunny69, just playing... what's a visual ftp client? you mean a gui client? or maybe a curses one? |
| 09:24.13 | idimmu | i dont see why that would be an issue |
| 09:24.35 | gnarface | mashed: uh, not really setting it up per-se, however a bunch of related tcp+networking memory limits stuff in sysctl.conf needed massive increases to get full performance. i think that is probably the case pushing any serious amount of traffic through a linux box though |
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| 09:25.25 | gnarface | mashed: the hapee (haproxy enterprise edition) we're now testing seems to be smarter about warning you when some of those settings are too low, so that could be helpful |
| 09:26.24 | mashed | idimmu: ill explain my situation a bit more. I am creating a new HA setup for an ISP now we have many clients some of which require SSL. For each SSL client we need an individual IP address for obvious reasons. I need to then make sure that the SSL certificate will be available on all of the boxes, also that the IP address will eb available on all of the boxes too. |
| 09:26.50 | mashed | for the certificate thats less of an issue - ill just use puppet |
| 09:27.02 | mashed | for the ip address i'm a little more concerned. |
| 09:27.33 | idimmu | just use puppet for that too? |
| 09:27.34 | idimmu | we did .. |
| 09:27.54 | idimmu | also you dont need unique IPs per SSL cert any more i think |
| 09:28.09 | mashed | idimmu: im still on my baby steps with puppet i wasn't aware you could manage ip's/ |
| 09:28.23 | idimmu | you can |
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| 09:28.55 | mashed | idimmu: afaik you do unless you are serving subdomains based off a wildcard certificate. |
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| 09:29.18 | idimmu | SNI is the multiple SSL certs per IP mechanism |
| 09:29.44 | mashed | is it supported by apache2.2? |
| 09:29.45 | idimmu | http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI |
| 09:29.56 | mashed | yes |
| 09:30.02 | idimmu | dunno, tbh ive never (knowingly) implemented it |
| 09:30.16 | idimmu | as now i manage VOIP clusters |
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| 09:31.51 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm getting this error when compiling stuff - it can't find asm/socket.h - any idea what's wrong? |
| 09:32.22 | mashed | idimmu, gnarface: thanks for your help. I think i'll stick with lvs. |
| 09:32.22 | nsadmin | looks like a header from the kerne; |
| 09:32.46 | nsadmin | vampi-the-frog, stuff? |
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| 09:33.20 | vampi-the-frog | stuff=something that compiles fine on another debian machine |
| 09:33.44 | nsadmin | oh... why does it work on one and not the other? |
| 09:33.58 | vampi-the-frog | see, that is my question, not yours :D |
| 09:34.19 | vampi-the-frog | I haven't messed about in /usr/include, so I'm thinking maybe it's a missing package? |
| 09:34.21 | nsadmin | no, actually there are two copies and one is MINE |
| 09:34.51 | vampi-the-frog | but I installed the kernel headers as well and it's still not there |
| 09:34.54 | nsadmin | which machine would have the missing package |
| 09:35.05 | vampi-the-frog | the one with the missing package. |
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| 09:35.26 | nsadmin | well :) that was one loop too many |
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| 09:36.23 | njin | hello, who manage unmount of devices during shutdown ? |
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| 09:36.41 | nsadmin | if you can ba that smart-assed, then you're already smart enough to find a solution... I suggest you get lists of packages from each, sort, diff |
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| 09:37.16 | mashed | njin: /etc/init.d/umountfs |
| 09:37.37 | nsadmin | if you pay attention to the order you do this in, then the + and - on the start of the lines will make sense |
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| 09:39.11 | vampi-the-frog | dohh |
| 09:39.53 | mr_pete | Lo there - not quite proficient enough Linux person here, after some help with fsck and /dev/mapper if possible - issue detailed here : https://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/openmediavault/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=592 |
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| 09:41.38 | nsadmin | mr_pete, you're the author of that post? |
| 09:41.49 | mr_pete | Yarp. |
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| 09:43.30 | nsadmin | ok, is everything in raid? or do you have (say) / or /boot in an actual partition |
| 09:44.15 | mr_pete | the O/S is on a H/W (fakeraid) built from /dev/sda & /dev/sdb |
| 09:44.38 | mr_pete | and the fakeraid is RAID1 |
| 09:44.51 | mr_pete | the other drives (sdc & sdd) are not in fakeraid, but under mdadm control |
| 09:44.55 | nsadmin | and no partitions are outside the raid? |
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| 09:45.30 | mr_pete | on the fakeraid, the whole drive should be RAID1, and sdc & sdd were not present when the O/S installed |
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| 09:45.53 | mr_pete | so in theory the whole thing should be in the device under /dev/mapper/pdc_bddjajhijfp |
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| 09:46.50 | stenno|work | good day, i am using the amd catalyst control center for dual monitor mode... everything seems to work well, apart from the mouse, which gets caught on the external monitor when i move the pointer to said monitor. a quick google search didn't come up with something useful, any idea for that? |
| 09:46.59 | crooksey | I have just insatlled debian on /dev/sdc and it keeps wanting to put grub on /dev/sda, why is this? |
| 09:47.03 | nsadmin | if yes, this is a situation that I don't understand well and I also don't recommend, partly for the reason stated formerly, and partly because to rescue, repair or restore from backup would require support for whatever (dm-raid in this case) in the boot up |
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| 09:47.16 | crooksey | Do i need to configure my bios to tell it that dev/sdc is my first device? |
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| 09:47.57 | nsadmin | crooksey, sda is the first drive seen by the bios, and therefor the drive that would boot |
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| 09:49.29 | nsadmin | what I usually recommend instead is to have either / or /boot be on a primary partition, then you would either install grub there or in the mbr of that drive |
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| 09:49.46 | stenno|work | so i have my (laptop) monitor, and when i move my mouse pointer to my external monitor and then i cannot move it back to my laptop monitor |
| 09:49.58 | stenno|work | -and then |
| 09:50.27 | nsadmin | this way, the boot process up to and until the root partition is mounted, all comes from grub and that partition and you donh't have to include support for raid in the boot |
| 09:51.03 | mr_pete | but what happens if that (O/S) drive fails? |
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| 09:51.26 | mr_pete | I was hoping to use the fakeraid to give some redundancy there - mostly as the box runs my EAP RADIUS & Asterisk also |
| 09:51.48 | nsadmin | mr_pete, well /boot should be very small, can be less than half a gig, and therefore very easy to back up |
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| 09:52.31 | mr_pete | but that's just the boot dir - all the apps & configs (like asterisk) get buried all over /etc & /usr, /var etc :\ |
| 09:52.34 | axx_ | hi all, does anyone know why Wordpress depends on apache2 | httpd and not lighttpd ? |
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| 09:52.55 | nsadmin | mr_pete, yes, on your raid |
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| 09:53.00 | axx_ | I have lighty installed, but that's considered as not filling dependencies… |
| 09:53.34 | mr_pete | nsadmin: yes, but the raid is causing the /dev/mapper to lock /sda1 at boot when it wants to fsck. |
| 09:53.46 | vampi-the-frog | I dunno, it seems linux-libc-dev is installed, and it contains the necessary files, but the files themselves are missing http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/linux-libc-dev/filelist |
| 09:53.54 | mr_pete | nsadmin: can I stop fsck checking that partition without fiddling /etc/fstab? |
| 09:54.09 | mr_pete | nsadmin: or delay the /dev/mapper process until after fsck in boot? |
| 09:54.17 | nsadmin | hmm, that would be true after starting the array, yes? |
| 09:54.40 | mr_pete | well it's booted enough to be reading the /etc/init.d scripts :) |
| 09:54.56 | nsadmin | hmm. then your boot is working |
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| 09:55.18 | mr_pete | Yes, the fsck is being called (I think) in /etc/rcS.d/S12checkfs.sh |
| 09:55.23 | nsadmin | grub, mounting, starting the array, all that would seem to be working |
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| 09:55.29 | spiekey | Hello! |
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| 09:55.43 | dokma | how do I find out from which package a file was installed? |
| 09:55.43 | spiekey | can i install libdb4.5 in debian squeeze somehow? |
| 09:55.44 | mr_pete | but fsck checks /dev/sda1 - which is (by that time) locked by /dev/mapper |
| 09:56.06 | nsadmin | , versions libdb |
| 09:56.08 | judd | No package named 'libdb' was found in i386. |
| 09:56.16 | nsadmin | , versions libdbm |
| 09:56.17 | judd | No package named 'libdbm' was found in i386. |
| 09:56.38 | nsadmin | is that the package name, libdb4.5? |
| 09:56.48 | themill | ,v libdb4.5 |
| 09:56.49 | judd | Package: libdb4.5 on i386 -- lenny: 4.5.20-13 |
| 09:56.56 | mr_pete | nsadmin: if I amend /etc/fstab to 0 0 (rather than 0 2) the system boots as it's ignoring the check |
| 09:57.06 | nsadmin | themill, thank you |
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| 09:57.40 | dokma | anyone knows what happened to kde-pwmanager ?? |
| 09:57.44 | mr_pete | nsadmin: the check runs on the UUID which trails back to /dev/mapper which contains /sda1 |
| 09:57.59 | nsadmin | spiekey, you can try getting the debianized source from lenny and build the package |
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| 09:58.08 | nsadmin | it's 3 commands |
| 09:58.39 | nsadmin | which have about half each command in common |
| 09:59.22 | nsadmin | do you want to try that? |
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| 10:01.12 | nsadmin | mr_pete, you may or may not have to get creative with the script that does the fscking |
| 10:01.42 | crooksey | nsadmin: what If I cant change the hdd order in my bios (not facility to), do I then have to have grub on /dev/sda? |
| 10:01.43 | spiekey | the link http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/db4.5/libdb4.5_4.5.20-13_amd64.deb is dead. Where elase could i get the old lenny packages? |
| 10:01.54 | nsadmin | it may be that setting the fsck level/order will help |
| 10:02.10 | mr_pete | nsadmin: that's what I'm after but I'm not sure *how* :) |
| 10:02.19 | mr_pete | nsadmin: all I see in the log is "fsck -C -R -A -a" |
| 10:02.40 | mr_pete | nsadmin: is it called by device, or does it check *everything* (i.e. is there a way to exclude a partition) |
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| 10:03.34 | nsadmin | can you see the script (maybe in /etc/init.d/) that starts the array? |
| 10:03.54 | mr_pete | am looking but can't spot it :\ |
| 10:04.19 | nsadmin | one brute-force way, is to set the partition fsck order to zero on the on-your-raid partitions |
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| 10:05.05 | nsadmin | then add a script that runs after the raid starts which does the facks on the partitions in the array |
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| 10:06.52 | nsadmin | also it's possible there's something wrong with the mapping which is uuid between /etc/fstab and the raid vols |
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| 10:08.16 | vampi-the-frog | so I'm not getting this - I have the linux-libc-dev package, and on one machine it installs the files in /usr/include/asm, and on another machine it doesn't install those files |
| 10:08.29 | nsadmin | you may have to refrain from using uuids if you can't get your debian to search properly for the on-raid uuided partitions |
| 10:09.34 | vampi-the-frog | instead, it installs asm files in /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/asm |
| 10:10.13 | nsadmin | vampi-the-frog, hmm. that;s weird... there used to be this symlink that points into the kernel source and the origin point is /usr/incljude/linux |
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| 10:10.22 | nsadmin | and another at /usr/include/asm |
| 10:10.45 | vampi-the-frog | even dpkg -L says the same thing, different set of files |
| 10:10.49 | vampi-the-frog | on different machines* |
| 10:11.06 | nsadmin | Linus explained that people who use these links should want to be libc devs |
| 10:11.35 | vampi-the-frog | You know, I never thought of that while masturbating to his poster up in my room. |
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| 10:12.42 | vampi-the-frog | but this is obviously a debian problem, since the other machine has everything it needs, with no symlink in /usr/include/asm |
| 10:13.01 | Siegfried | hello, is there still a repository with lenny packages? |
| 10:13.07 | vampi-the-frog | linusbob torvaldpants |
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| 10:14.31 | sphenxes | i am using nfs server and would like to have all clients to read and only except one client to be read and write. is it possible to do the following: /mnt/BackUp 192.168.178.0/24(ro,sync) /mnt/BackUp/ (rw,sync) in exports file. or any other suggestion please |
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| 10:17.22 | derebel | Siegfried, archive.debian.org |
| 10:17.29 | vampi-the-frog | well I've discovered that there are version differences - 3.0.0-6ptx9 vs 2.6.32-41, the first being the one with the problem. |
| 10:17.37 | Siegfried | thanks derebel! |
| 10:18.09 | derebel | Siegfried, np, i just realized that today, i didnt even know lenny was so old, i just upgraded the last system |
| 10:18.36 | nsadmin | hmm. fell asleep in chair... he also explained that having the headers that were present when the libc was built is better for non-libc folks |
| 10:18.54 | stephan48 | i got two interfaces over which a vm could get network(wired, wlan) now i want to make it appear as one interface and dhcp on the on the one up. would be a bridge the rigth way here? |
| 10:19.20 | nsadmin | are you running those two kernels on each machine? |
| 10:19.41 | vampi-the-frog | nope |
| 10:19.51 | vampi-the-frog | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 10:20.10 | vampi-the-frog | I have no idea how that got there |
| 10:20.24 | vampi-the-frog | I'll bet, if I update the machine with the working package, it will have the same problem |
| 10:20.40 | nsadmin | ok, and which, wait what package had those kernel looking versions? |
| 10:20.43 | vampi-the-frog | maybe it's some dependency problem with the package/repository/out of my reach/i don't care |
| 10:20.58 | vampi-the-frog | linux-libc-dev 3.0.0-6ptx9 |
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| 10:21.21 | vampi-the-frog | good: linux-libc-dev 2.6.32-41 |
| 10:21.28 | vampi-the-frog | bad: linux-libc-dev 3.0.0-6ptx9 |
| 10:21.35 | nsadmin | on, and can you install that? |
| 10:21.47 | vampi-the-frog | the bad one? it's the default |
| 10:21.52 | vampi-the-frog | can I force the version? |
| 10:22.00 | nsadmin | no, the good one |
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| 10:22.23 | nsadmin | you could download the .deb and try installing using dpkg |
| 10:22.30 | vampi-the-frog | will do. |
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| 10:22.46 | vampi-the-frog | oh. |
| 10:22.47 | vampi-the-frog | well |
| 10:22.50 | vampi-the-frog | it was pengutronix.de |
| 10:22.54 | vampi-the-frog | >_> |
| 10:23.00 | nsadmin | maybe the difference could be sources |
| 10:23.02 | vampi-the-frog | i had this extra repository in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:23.06 | vampi-the-frog | removing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. |
| 10:23.16 | nsadmin | you could comment it using # |
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| 10:23.59 | vampi-the-frog | it had sid instead of squeeze >_> |
| 10:24.33 | nsadmin | do you mostly use aptitude to install packages? |
| 10:24.36 | sphenxes | i am using nfs server and would like to have all clients to read and only except one client to be read and write. is it possible to do the following: /mnt/BackUp 192.168.178.0/24(ro,sync) /mnt/BackUp/ 192.168.0.20(rw,sync) in exports file. or any other suggestion please |
| 10:24.44 | vampi-the-frog | apt-get is what I use |
| 10:25.04 | ChrisH | sphenxes: should work |
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| 10:25.52 | nsadmin | ok, well anyway, try apt-get --reinstall install linux-libc-dev |
| 10:26.07 | nsadmin | after running apt-get update |
| 10:26.57 | nsadmin | having a sid mixture is not a stable thing to have |
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| 10:27.14 | sphenxes | ChrisH, thanks |
| 10:27.53 | nsadmin | anyway I'm gonna hit it... hope it works out; I'll check just before I kill the lights |
| 10:27.55 | vampi-the-frog | nsadmin: yes, it works now. thanks |
| 10:28.02 | nsadmin | very good |
| 10:28.17 | ChrisH | sphenxes: should even work with the second system beeing in the same IP range as the network-wide export |
| 10:28.21 | nsadmin | now you can compile your mystery thingy |
| 10:28.22 | vampi-the-frog | ok I'm off to look at pictures of linux and RMS and finger myself |
| 10:28.30 | vampi-the-frog | yes I can |
| 10:28.46 | sphenxes | ChrisH, thanks |
| 10:29.11 | nsadmin | I'm not sure there's a picture of linux :) |
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| 10:29.20 | vampi-the-frog | linus* |
| 10:29.34 | vampi-the-frog | I'll use my penguin-shaped fleshlight |
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| 10:30.00 | nsadmin | oh... well... may the welcomed method float yer boat |
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| 10:34.49 | g00se | How do i loop-mount isohybrid images? Is it necessary to specify start offset? (vfat/iso9660 both error) |
| 10:35.32 | nsadmin | g00se, maybe there's a -t isohybrid or something |
| 10:36.33 | g00se | nsadmin: that would be exceptionally good. Will require mount to have been updated reasonably recently |
| 10:39.03 | nsadmin | or, not mount, but fs types |
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| 10:39.26 | nsadmin | fs types are either kernel modules or built into kernel |
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| 10:41.52 | g00se | nsadmin: I'm not quite sure how mount works but of course it needs to know when its parameters are right so that would need to *start* at application level would it not? |
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| 10:42.38 | nsadmin | mount is root-only |
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| 10:44.18 | g00se | nsadmin: Not with you there sorry |
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| 10:45.16 | nsadmin | you mean how mount itself starts, and that it's userspace? |
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| 10:46.34 | nsadmin | that's true, and mount normally works by calling the mount syscall inside of whichy is kernel space |
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| 10:46.56 | nsadmin | but I muwt be misunderstanding |
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| 10:47.26 | ChrisH | g00se: putting "mount iso hybrid linux" into google I got eg. http://www.64lines.com/mounting-hfs-plus there its shown how to specify the offet |
| 10:47.51 | g00se | nsadmin: Yes, that all sounds what i'd expect. I would guess the problem with mounting hybrids is that it's the hybrid part that's the problem |
| 10:49.26 | nsadmin | yeah, maybe there would need to be specific kernel support for hybrids |
| 10:49.44 | g00se | ChrisH: Unfortunately that's one of the only ones i *didn't* follow ;) |
| 10:51.15 | ChrisH | g00se: it was the first I selected :) |
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| 10:51.48 | g00se | ChrisH: I'll try that. It should be possible to pass offset=n to mount actually, bypassing the losetup step |
| 10:52.03 | ChrisH | g00se: from man mount I assume the same |
| 10:52.22 | nsadmin | ChrisH, hfs is macos pre-x |
| 10:53.10 | ChrisH | nsadmin: ACK, but its more on how-to use the offset |
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| 10:54.34 | g00se | nsadmin: That's why i didn't follow it, but ChrisH is right i think - the concept is good |
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| 10:58.34 | pie_ | after doing apt-get source *package* how can i remove it? >.> |
| 10:58.49 | daemonkeeper | rm -rf |
| 10:58.54 | jelly | pie_: rm the downloaded files |
| 10:59.14 | jelly | and unpacked directory tree |
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| 10:59.36 | pie_ | where can i find them? |
| 10:59.59 | daemonkeeper | . |
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| 11:02.16 | lost_eden | are there any nuances/settings that aren't covered by the ncurses dpkg-reconfigure distcc? |
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| 11:02.54 | humitos | hello guys |
| 11:03.00 | lost_eden | if I do 'watch tail /var/log/distcc' on the Debian box it doesn't even add any lines when I try to compile a job, which implies the requests may not even be getting to the debian box? |
| 11:03.08 | humitos | I have a simple question: are PPA repos supported in Debian? |
| 11:03.13 | lost_eden | trying to work out *which* machine is setup wrong :) |
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| 11:04.38 | Big_Brother | any virtual desktop (and server) versions of debian out there (where the server would provide the desktop)? |
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| 11:07.58 | mashed | bbs |
| 11:08.12 | sphenxes | Thanks for the help, NFS works fine right now (rw) |
| 11:08.40 | sphenxes | ChrisH, thanks |
| 11:10.18 | g00se | Thanks guys |
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| 11:14.21 | pom | Anyone know how the password for the "debian-sys-maint" user in the mysql-server package works? |
| 11:14.46 | pom | After I read in complete database from another server, the debian checks fails. |
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| 11:19.03 | ChrisH | pom: google for debian-sys-maint |
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| 11:38.42 | spiekey | how can i build something with gcc 4.3 if gcc 4.4 AND 4.3 is installed? |
| 11:38.54 | spiekey | changeing the symlink of gcc feels wrong |
| 11:38.55 | koobs | there should be a gcc43 binary |
| 11:39.09 | koobs | set your CC env vars correctly |
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| 11:39.54 | koobs | im sure there's a special debian slash linux way of doing it though, resolvconf and lieaboutlinuxkernelversion |
| 11:39.59 | koobs | like* |
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| 11:49.45 | joar | update-alternatives? |
| 11:49.56 | joar | /alternatives |
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| 11:51.52 | lassiethebrave | I've been trying to follow these instructions for a while: http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx this used to work with the same card in another system but now I keep getting this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/4dXDmSvy I'm running Wheezy on i386. Any ideas in here? |
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| 11:55.54 | mashed | have you loaded the module? |
| 11:56.03 | mashed | lassiethebrave: can you see it in `lsmod`? |
| 11:56.11 | mjt | i wonder if udev looks for /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 11:56.26 | mjt | mashed: that message is from the module |
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| 11:56.57 | lassiethebrave | mashed: The module? (snd_cs46xx) Yes. |
| 11:58.03 | lassiethebrave | mjt: Any other place I might try putting it in? |
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| 11:58.20 | mjt | canonical name is /lib/firmware |
| 11:58.38 | mjt | but that's just a wild guess, i dunno if udev will look there or not |
| 11:59.11 | mjt | what's a few lines from dmesg before the ones you provided? |
| 12:00.27 | lassiethebrave | mjt: Previous attempts at the same thing... Putting it in /lib/firmware gave me the same output. |
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| 12:01.38 | lassiethebrave | mjt: Like this: http://pastebin.com/dg4L9htS |
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| 12:02.13 | mjt | http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?380981-cs46xx%3A+convert+to+firmware+loader may be of interest |
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| 12:04.17 | zeev | Hi, can the "type to search..." gnome3's widget be configured to search also inside of documents (pdfs)? the one that is located in the upper right corner... |
| 12:05.18 | lassiethebrave | I last followed these instructions with no trouble on another wheezy system about 2 months ago (with the same card) the only difference is that this is a i386 system and the previous (on where it worked) was amd64. |
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| 12:06.31 | mjt | are you sure the kernel is the same? |
| 12:06.37 | mjt | the same version that is |
| 12:06.42 | faryus | hello everyone |
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| 12:07.18 | faryus | I can't get HD videos on YouTube to play on Wheezy... tried searching around but found nothing useful. any ideas? |
| 12:07.40 | koobs | not without additional information |
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| 12:08.01 | faryus | what info would that be? :) |
| 12:08.08 | koobs | what else have you got .. |
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| 12:08.49 | homes | faryus: switch to HTML5? use youtube-dl? :) |
| 12:09.16 | faryus | tried in both Opera and IceWeasel, same thing. also Empathy. |
| 12:09.16 | homes | faryus: unfortunately adobe flash sucks, and is non-free and thus not officially in debian |
| 12:09.27 | faryus | homes: I am using html5 |
| 12:09.37 | koobs | perhaps hardware specs, browser details, any errors, an appropriately snipped package list, whether they were ever working, any changes you made before/after the symptoms cropped up |
| 12:10.06 | lassiethebrave | mjt: Yep, It was working on 3.2.0-2 (amd64) before, and now it's not working on 3.2.0-2 (686-pae) |
| 12:10.10 | faryus | 2gb of ram, 1.66Ghz dual coare CPU, intel 950 (?) video |
| 12:10.37 | faryus | no errors. everything up to 480p plays fine |
| 12:10.43 | faryus | 720p just buffers forever |
| 12:10.56 | koobs | thats interesting. |
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| 12:11.40 | koobs | whats the fmt value in the url ? |
| 12:11.57 | koobs | for the ones that dont work. |
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| 12:12.21 | faryus | FMT? |
| 12:12.32 | faryus | also, none work |
| 12:12.43 | koobs | stands for format, each fmt value in youtubes urls referes to a different codec/quality combination |
| 12:12.44 | faryus | wait, wrong paste |
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| 12:13.01 | koobs | it might help you isolate where the problem might be |
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| 12:14.08 | faryus | wait... nevermind... got it to work |
| 12:14.14 | koobs | what was the issue |
| 12:14.21 | faryus | had to reinstall flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:14.26 | faryus | no idea what the issue was... |
| 12:14.26 | koobs | epic. |
| 12:14.35 | faryus | yeah. :) |
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| 12:14.38 | koobs | its linux, who knows :) |
| 12:14.51 | faryus | well, thanks. have a good one. |
| 12:14.56 | koobs | you too |
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| 12:26.06 | lassiethebrave | I'm trying to follow these instructions: Playing radio://. |
| 12:26.06 | lassiethebrave | No stream found to handle url radio:// |
| 12:26.37 | lassiethebrave | damn... I pasted. please ignore the above... |
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| 12:27.22 | stephan48 | i got 2 network interfaces in a virtual machine(virtual pc), the host interfaces(lan, wlan) are bridged each with one interface, and now i want the vm to detect automagically which interface to use and send the stuff out via that interface that has an connection. any idea howto realize that? |
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| 12:30.10 | koobs | stephan48; http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding and/or ucarp |
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| 12:32.01 | abrotman | not quite teh same .. |
| 12:32.19 | koobs | no theire not, hence the and/or depending on the use case. |
| 12:32.31 | koobs | actually, youre right. |
| 12:32.46 | koobs | its getting late :) |
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| 12:32.57 | stephan48 | the problem is that i need to use dhcp within the vm |
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| 12:38.35 | lassiethebrave | I've been trying to follow these instructions: "http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx" this used to work with the same card in another system (Wheezy amd64) but now I keep getting this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/4dXDmSvy I'm running Wheezy on i386. Please help? |
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| 12:42.30 | sprax | The lenny->squeeze instructions from dpkg are pretty thin. I had been following a guide but now that lenny is gone from the mirrors the guide doesn't work. Will try to fumble through it, and worst case just blow up the box and start over. *shrugs* |
| 12:43.46 | bzed | sprax: read the release notes. |
| 12:43.52 | abrotman | sprax: update your lenny souraces to use archive.debian.org |
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| 12:44.50 | mjt | instructions from dpkg are pretty sufficient ;) |
| 12:44.52 | dvs | sprax: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 12:44.53 | ksk | and what dpkg tells you is just what you actually need to do |
| 12:45.33 | sprax | abrotman awesome thanks much. I've used the guide successfully twice before, it holds my hand nicely through all the steps. Will also check release notes but if archive gets me through it then I'm good. Thanks gain to all! |
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| 12:46.11 | Woet | sprax: next time, don't wait until nearly 2 months after EOL to upgrade |
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| 12:46.50 | haotian | here is my sources.conf tell me please if it looks alright, http://pastebin.com/VyF6DpD3 |
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| 12:47.09 | sprax | Woet: copy that. It was pure laziness too, no compatability or testing complaints, just lazy |
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| 12:47.23 | Woet | :) |
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| 12:48.17 | ksk | haotian: looks nice. also take a look at things like: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 12:56.24 | haotian | thank you |
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| 12:56.46 | babilen | ksk: Please do *not* recommend that website in here as it encourages users to use a number of totally unsupported and horrible third-party repositories. |
| 12:56.56 | babilen | !tell haotian -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 12:57.11 | stephan48 | koobs: thanks! |
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| 12:57.34 | stephan48 | i think i basically got it working like i want, bonded the 2 interfaces and then added them to a brdige |
| 12:57.37 | stephan48 | bridge |
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| 13:01.20 | ksk | babilen: mhmkay. you can just skip them anyways. but will (not) do.. |
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| 13:02.20 | Orphis | Does anybody know a debian repository software that supports indexing multiple versions of the same package ? |
| 13:02.40 | Orphis | All I've found seem to be based on apt-ftparchive that doesn't support that at all |
| 13:05.21 | mjt | i think ftparchive supports that too |
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| 13:05.50 | mjt | at least I use exactly it - apt-ftparchive - with multiple versions just fine |
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| 13:06.20 | lcc | debian is nice |
| 13:06.27 | Orphis | mjt: Is there a special flag for that ? |
| 13:06.43 | babilen | ksk: I know, but most people just end up adding random crap to their sources.list and expect us to support it. The <make squeeze sources.list> factoid and related ones are typically all you need. |
| 13:06.56 | mjt | Orphis: no flags |
| 13:07.30 | Orphis | mjt: Are you running Squeeze ? |
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| 13:08.17 | mjt | i run a shitload of different versions, why? |
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| 13:08.35 | Orphis | I mean, the server running apt-ftparchive |
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| 13:08.54 | Orphis | Right now, mine is running lenny, I'm in the process of upgrading it |
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| 13:09.14 | aronofsky | hi, im looking for a tool to continuously watch log and execute an action as soon as a particular line is matched, anything existing ? |
| 13:09.21 | mjt | i upgraded from lenny way before it has been removed from archives |
| 13:09.38 | mjt | but i do have some lenny systems still |
| 13:09.41 | mjt | test systems |
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| 13:10.09 | mjt | some of them run apt-ftparchive too |
| 13:10.40 | mjt | this setup here works since way before lenny |
| 13:11.11 | Orphis | Hmmm :-/ |
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| 13:14.05 | DammitJim | what is a good way to view what a user is doing on my network? |
| 13:14.13 | DammitJim | in terms of software packages? |
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| 13:19.36 | nevyn | ntop? |
| 13:19.54 | nevyn | dpends what you mean by "view what a user is doing" |
| 13:20.06 | DammitJim | nevyn, I mean more like a software that can help me "view" all that network traffic data in a meaningful manner |
| 13:20.12 | nevyn | driftnet is always good for a laugh on a shared wifi. |
| 13:20.15 | DammitJim | so, for example, what websites they are going to |
| 13:20.28 | DammitJim | what services they are accessing and from where... like email/IM |
| 13:20.35 | DammitJim | driftnet? |
| 13:20.38 | DammitJim | googles driftnet |
| 13:20.59 | nevyn | there's some neat stuff from wahito.. that does nifty gl visualisations |
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| 13:23.27 | DammitJim | gl visualizations? |
| 13:23.30 | nevyn | http://research.wand.net.nz/software/visualisation.php |
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| 13:23.50 | nevyn | waikato but I suck. |
| 13:25.29 | DammitJim | wow, cool! |
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| 13:25.40 | vdonnef | Hi, I'd like to know if you know comparative studies between debian&gentoo. I don't wanna troll, I'm just looking for quantitative case |
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| 13:27.06 | abrotman | DammitJim: that's sort of what ntop can do .. it's worth a look for you |
| 13:27.14 | ChrisH | vdonnef: I do not know any. But what should be compared? Forks/second? Number of packages availiable, registered users,? |
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| 13:28.37 | nevyn | so ntop is the normal solution to this problem BSOD is the insane solution to this problem |
| 13:28.50 | nevyn | but it's got the whole data != information problem |
| 13:29.49 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm trying to sort out the data |
| 13:30.00 | DammitJim | and there is A TON!!! So, a graphical representation is always nice |
| 13:30.03 | vdonnef | ChrisH: Nb of packages, general performance, start time ... |
| 13:30.43 | ChrisH | vdonnef: start time == system boot time? Who cares how fast a UNIX boots? |
| 13:31.43 | engla | ChrisH: lots of users do |
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| 13:32.19 | vdonnef | system boot time yes. If it's 1sec difference it's not relevant of course |
| 13:32.50 | fasta | ChrisH: leaving a machine running 24/7 costs about $600 per year or so. |
| 13:32.57 | petemc | depends on the machine |
| 13:33.02 | ChrisH | engla: either I put my Laptop into sleep/suspend or for server system I do not boot more then once a month. |
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| 13:33.29 | fasta | ChrisH: suspend to disk with 16GB of memory is just great. |
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| 13:33.42 | fasta | ChrisH: there comes a point where rebooting then is faster. |
| 13:34.15 | fasta | petemc: the kind that 'most' people have. |
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| 13:34.26 | Digdilem | STR with large ram is not so bad with ssd |
| 13:34.29 | afuentes | hi, i was able to track back the history of apache in debian up to jan 2006, thats it when they start using git... can anybdoy help to go back further? |
| 13:34.35 | fasta | petemc: i.e. those that are not underclocked and don't run ARM. |
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| 13:34.44 | jelly | Digdilem: STD? :-) |
| 13:34.51 | namoamitabuddha | Subscription/unsubscription/info requests should always be sent to |
| 13:34.53 | namoamitabuddha | the -request address of a mailing list. |
| 13:34.59 | Digdilem | your mind is in the gutter, jelly... |
| 13:35.01 | ChrisH | fasta: If you have a system eating such an amount of power/money you have the businiss need to and then the power costs are not relevant. For homeserver I build a box that is short on power usage... With my current home server I am around 70W which sums up to <100Eur/year! |
| 13:35.10 | jelly | Digdilem: suspend to disk, not to ram |
| 13:35.15 | namoamitabuddha | It means that I should always use -request? |
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| 13:35.24 | fasta | ChrisH: how do you measure your power usage, btw? |
| 13:35.25 | Digdilem | jelly, oops - heh, my mind obviously is |
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| 13:35.43 | engla | afuentes: http://snapshot.debian.org/ goes back to 2005 only. |
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| 13:37.11 | ChrisH | fasta: stanard power meter from an electronic dealer... Yes I know about Switching PSU and cos phi |
| 13:37.56 | fasta | ChrisH: swithcing PSU? |
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| 13:38.16 | namoamitabuddha | Am I right? |
| 13:38.18 | fasta | ChrisH: I am not an expert at all at these things, not even an amateur :) |
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| 13:39.30 | ChrisH | fasta: current power supplies work in switching mode, this makes it difficult to measure power, as Volts and Amps are out of phase. (short version) |
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| 13:40.09 | fasta | ChrisH: don't you use mean AC? |
| 13:40.17 | fasta | ChrisH: just mean |
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| 13:40.38 | afuentes | thanks engla, the first source package i can find is 2.0.53-5 (2005-03-12) but its not enough to track down a the change im looking for :( |
| 13:40.43 | afuentes | thanks anyway! |
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| 13:41.48 | ChrisH | fasta: check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply What do you mean by "mean AC"? The PSU takes AC as input |
| 13:41.59 | fasta | ChrisH: alternating current. |
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| 13:42.15 | dark-sun | hi every one |
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| 13:42.51 | dark-sun | I'm trying to run java 32bit edition on my 64bit wheezy, but its missing some libraries |
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| 13:43.04 | dark-sun | i dont know what are those |
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| 13:43.11 | dark-sun | any idea what should i do? |
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| 13:43.46 | dark-sun | ./java: No such file or directory |
| 13:44.01 | dark-sun | i'm on bin directory of jdk |
| 13:44.10 | dark-sun | so the java is really there |
| 13:44.29 | afuentes | dark-sun, openjdk or sun-java? |
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| 13:47.09 | dark-sun | afuentes✪ sun-jdk |
| 13:47.48 | dark-sun | it drives me crazy |
| 13:48.09 | afuentes | dark-sun, do you really need sun-jdk? have you tried installing openjdk? |
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| 13:49.19 | martinald | hello, i'm using debian-arm on QEMU |
| 13:49.31 | martinald | is there any way to improve the screen resolution and/or colour depth? |
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| 13:49.35 | martinald | or is this the high it will go with QEMU |
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| 13:51.30 | afuentes | martinald, try #qemu in irc.oftc.net |
| 13:52.00 | martinald | thanks |
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| 13:56.17 | GiBa | changos |
| 13:56.28 | GiBa | i came here for something and it is on the topic |
| 13:56.32 | GiBa | thanks |
| 13:56.32 | GiBa | xD |
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| 13:57.31 | cga | hi all, I need to securely erase my SSD but it's locked and I can't access the BIOS features to do it. So I am trying this https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/articles/a/t/a/ATA_Secure_Erase_936d.html . The only problem is that when I set the sleep mode the laptop won't wake up. So I am stuck. The security features are as follow: "not locked" "frozen" "not supported: enhanced erase" |
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| 13:58.56 | cga | I am using gpardted live (based on sid) and I have tried to use a swap file. Same problem. |
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| 14:07.24 | frostschutz | cga: just hotplug it? |
| 14:07.48 | cga | froggyman, you mean is that easy? |
| 14:07.55 | cga | trying |
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| 14:08.34 | frostschutz | cga: if your sata controller supports hotplugging (mine has to run in ahci mode)... and the bios/os doesnt refreeze it somehow... yes |
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| 14:10.06 | darkfire | ciao |
| 14:10.11 | darkfire | !list |
| 14:10.11 | dpkg | darkfire: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 14:10.53 | garo | I have 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in my interfaces file, is there some option that i can add to use my own dnsserver even if i get another one from dhcp ? |
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| 14:12.35 | cga | frostschutz, same here. it has to be in achi to hotplug. but when ahci is enabled and I suspend (which in this case works correctly) I get "locked" "not frozen" "not supported: enhanced erase". So it's kind of an emapsse. |
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| 14:13.19 | frostschutz | cga: which ssd do you have, and does it support erase |
| 14:13.39 | cga | frostschutz, telling you in a sec |
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| 14:15.05 | frostschutz | cga: i mean, if it doesn't have enhanced erase, you can still just do regular erase (what exactly is erased depends on the model with either method) |
| 14:15.10 | cga | frostschutz, Kingston SSDNow KC100 120GB |
| 14:16.35 | cga | frostschutz, it all started because drive is locked and HP won't tell use the password to unlock the features to erase from the BIOS. it's a laptop we have here for reviewing purposes and my colleague here locked the drive unintentionally. |
| 14:17.05 | cga | frostschutz, this mean that I cannot use the SSD with other laptops ( so the colleague says). |
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| 14:17.28 | cga | frostschutz, whence the challenge to secure erase. |
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| 14:18.36 | jelly | cga: take it to a HP service to unlock it for you? |
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| 14:19.37 | cga | jelly, not that easy. my colleague has limited time review and once the laptop returns to HP won't be available to us anymore. |
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| 14:20.00 | cga | *sorry I forgot some subjects in there |
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| 14:22.47 | ceed^ | I have a lot of kworker processes running on my laptop (Debian stable). Is that something I should worry about? |
| 14:22.57 | spiekey | how can i test in a bash script if gcc >= 4.4 is installed? |
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| 14:23.54 | themill | spiekey: look at the output of "gcc --version" |
| 14:25.38 | mcmc | hey guys. I would like to use my ipod touch 2g with my debian squeeze notebook. I installed the libimobiledevice 1.1.1 using this documentation http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
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| 14:26.30 | foxtrot9 | mcmc, if you use exile I saw an ipod plugin that was quite easy |
| 14:26.42 | mcmc | but when I connect the ipod via usb, i'm able to open it with e.g. nautilus. It isn't listed in gtkpod or Rhythmbox |
| 14:27.23 | mcmc | @foxtrot: what's "exile"? |
| 14:27.33 | foxtrot9 | mcmc, a media player |
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| 14:27.48 | foxtrot9 | mcmc, http://www.exaile.org/ |
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| 14:32.23 | mcmc | i just installed exaile |
| 14:32.29 | mcmc | where do I get the plugin? |
| 14:32.35 | foxtrot9 | its already installed :D |
| 14:32.46 | mcmc | oh, wow -> I'll try it :P |
| 14:32.50 | foxtrot9 | now go to plugins under edit |
| 14:33.01 | foxtrot9 | then click to enable the ipod plugin on that list |
| 14:33.17 | foxtrot9 | its called ipod device driver on that list |
| 14:33.48 | SerajewelKS | should 'cp -a' be enough to exactly recreate a directory somewhere else? i am migrating to a new /home volume, so the goal is 'cp -a /home/* /new-home/' |
| 14:34.06 | foxtrot9 | SerajewelKS, you can use rsync |
| 14:34.09 | SerajewelKS | i see some people prefer cpio for this, i'm curious what the difference is |
| 14:34.26 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know how to exclude files on command line when using rsync? |
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| 14:34.39 | _Christophe_ | It seems --exclude argument don't work for me :/ |
| 14:34.53 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: --exclude works with patterns |
| 14:35.06 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: you'll have to be more specific with your question |
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| 14:35.22 | _Christophe_ | SerajewelKS, I want to exclude some folders |
| 14:35.34 | _Christophe_ | So i would like to specify them on the command line |
| 14:35.45 | _Christophe_ | I dont want to use an exclude files |
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| 14:36.24 | SerajewelKS | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5343558/cannot-get-rsync-exclude-option-to-exclude-dir |
| 14:36.49 | _Christophe_ | Thanks SerajewelKS, I'll take a look. |
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| 14:39.32 | SerajewelKS | foxtrot9: i'm just wondering if 'cp -a' might not copy everything exactly. i ask because after doing this and mounting the new home volume over /home (while all users except root were logged out), upon logging back in, everything worked fine except for dropbox, which acted like i was setting it up for the first time. |
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| 14:40.11 | xand | cp -a should do about as exact a copy as possible |
| 14:40.12 | foxtrot9 | SerajewelKS, permissions issue? |
| 14:40.21 | SerajewelKS | cp -a preserves permissions |
| 14:40.24 | xand | so long as you do it as roo |
| 14:40.31 | SerajewelKS | yes, the copy was done as root |
| 14:41.04 | foxtrot9 | my guess is all the files aren't exactly located in that directory |
| 14:41.13 | sturles | SerajewelKS: Perhaps --exclude='dir/*' will work? And there is --filter. |
| 14:41.22 | frostschutz | SerajewelKS: rsync has some extra features such as hard link and sparse file handling. also a popular mistake is to cp * which does not include .hiddens |
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| 14:41.40 | SerajewelKS | frostschutz: this was done at the /home level |
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| 14:41.47 | SerajewelKS | frostschutz: e.g.: cp -a /home/* /new-home/ |
| 14:42.00 | SerajewelKS | frostschutz: so all of the dot-files in my home directory are there |
| 14:42.15 | bunny69 | what is the most reliable method of finding out how much cpu a process uses? i'm quite confused on my multicore... htop shows 250% while top shows 100% |
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| 14:42.34 | bunny69 | there are 8 cores |
| 14:42.50 | bunny69 | and that 250% seems hard to believe |
| 14:43.07 | bunny69 | but top isn't multicore, is it? |
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| 14:44.15 | SerajewelKS | bunny69: top handles multiple cpus just fine, last i checked |
| 14:44.16 | babilen | bunny69: htop's output merely means that the process is utilising more than one core (concurrency ftw!) |
| 14:44.37 | foxtrot9 | bunny69, you can use ps or top |
| 14:44.50 | bunny69 | hm |
| 14:44.54 | bunny69 | very confusing... |
| 14:45.05 | bunny69 | ok so top handles and measures multicore? |
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| 14:45.45 | bunny69 | and htop may lie because it tries to catch the uniq concurrent utilization |
| 14:46.05 | SerajewelKS | top should handle concurrent utilization as well, by going over 100% |
| 14:46.24 | bunny69 | not here |
| 14:46.32 | bunny69 | it sometimes shows 104% |
| 14:46.43 | bunny69 | but goes back to 94-98-100% on that process |
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| 14:47.02 | bunny69 | oh... 118% now |
| 14:47.08 | petemc | press 1 |
| 14:47.18 | bunny69 | but at the same time i run htop and it says 240-260% in 3 lines |
| 14:47.34 | bunny69 | aargh petemc |
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| 14:47.57 | bunny69 | ok |
| 14:48.08 | bunny69 | now i barely see more than 100% all together in top |
| 14:48.17 | bunny69 | but it's way over 200% in htop.. |
| 14:48.19 | bunny69 | why is that? |
| 14:49.07 | ChrisH | bunny69: differnet times to average over? |
| 14:49.22 | afuentes | bunny69, press 1 in top to expand the cores |
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| 14:49.41 | bunny69 | not sure ChrisH because htop keeps pumping ~250% all the time on that process |
| 14:49.47 | bunny69 | not like it's jumping 100-200 |
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| 14:50.01 | bunny69 | while top is sure about it using 94-118% |
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| 14:50.05 | debianuser | hi |
| 14:50.25 | bunny69 | afuentes i just did but i compare with htop and there are huge differences |
| 14:50.42 | bunny69 | in fact i have NO clue how much cpu power is left |
| 14:50.48 | debianuser | i need to want use help with some thing |
| 14:50.55 | bunny69 | !ask |
| 14:50.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:51.14 | ChrisH | bunny69: cann you paste the different output somewhere? |
| 14:51.25 | bunny69 | ChrisH i will try in a sec |
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| 14:51.40 | afuentes | not sure what you mean bunny69, im running htop and top and it shows the same % of usage per cpu |
| 14:51.51 | _Christophe_ | SerajewelKS, thank you ! |
| 14:51.58 | bunny69 | i meant for particular process |
| 14:52.06 | debianuser | i have a problem with something. i am not running debian but its linux |
| 14:52.06 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: np |
| 14:52.11 | _Christophe_ | Now I'm dealing with exclude directories with spaces |
| 14:52.13 | bunny69 | it spawns like gazillion of child processes in htop |
| 14:52.16 | _Christophe_ | You really help me :) |
| 14:52.22 | bunny69 | and they seem very busy |
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| 14:52.35 | bunny69 | and in top it's all different and quiet |
| 14:52.44 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: escape the space |
| 14:53.01 | ChrisH | bunny69: system load is more an indicator on over-all system load and usage |
| 14:53.02 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: for example, --exclude=foo\ bar or --exclude='foo bar' |
| 14:53.09 | _Christophe_ | it seems I did it |
| 14:53.33 | bunny69 | ChrisH yes, i'm realising this, it's just an aproximation |
| 14:53.53 | bunny69 | still those tools should give similar results? |
| 14:54.18 | debianuser | hello? |
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| 14:55.03 | bunny69 | debianuser will you ask teh question? |
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| 14:55.17 | dvs | bunny69: it's not a Debian question |
| 14:55.27 | afuentes | debianuser, dont ask to ask, just ask the question, although is good that you say you are not running debian, so we dont get confused |
| 14:55.32 | bunny69 | right.. |
| 14:55.59 | debianuser | it's an Endian question! |
| 14:56.02 | bunny69 | he could possibly just make a debian q out of that ;) |
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| 14:56.26 | bunny69 | endian... debian... indian... |
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| 14:57.54 | debianuser | okay, it's about the firewall i want to connect to a pc in the green network from an other pc connected to red |
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| 14:59.44 | debianuser | port forwarding and all that sh**... stuff does not work |
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| 15:00.18 | bunny69 | portfwd? using it since 10 years... |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | sounds like more of a #netfilter thing |
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| 15:00.44 | bunny69 | yup.. |
| 15:00.47 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:00.56 | bunny69 | hi johnfg |
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| 15:01.28 | johnfg | Any idea why the command ssh -Y user@remote xterm works - opening a new xterm (which is what I want). |
| 15:01.46 | johnfg | But the command ssh -Y user@remote xterm& hangs? |
| 15:01.58 | debianuser | no filter, I want to transform red in a second green |
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| 15:02.11 | foxtrot9 | johnfg, why do you need & ? |
| 15:02.28 | abrotman | debianuser: still a #netfilter question .. sounds like you're doing mildly complicated stuff |
| 15:02.30 | johnfg | When I don't run it in the background it works, but when I do, it hangs? |
| 15:02.34 | foxtrot9 | there is no reason to background an ssh session |
| 15:02.44 | themill | johnfg: what do you think the & is going to do there? |
| 15:02.47 | afuentes | johnfg, you are running the xterm remotely on background? |
| 15:02.53 | johnfg | foxtrot9, Don't have too, but that would free up the term that I've run it from. |
| 15:03.03 | foxtrot9 | johnfg, use screen |
| 15:03.14 | ChrisH | johnfg: typing the command that way, backgrounds the SSH not the xterm!! |
| 15:03.29 | johnfg | foxtrot9, I do that from a tty, i.e., use screen. |
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| 15:03.57 | themill | johnfg: ssh can't exit if it's keeping a tunnel for X connections running for you. |
| 15:04.12 | ChrisH | johnfg: You might want to ssh -Y user@remote "xterm &" ? But once more, why backgrounding it? |
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| 15:04.17 | johnfg | ChrisH, Aha, that makes sense. Is there a way to do what I want? |
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| 15:05.22 | johnfg | And I get the error about the DISPLAY not being set if I run ssh -f user@remote xterm. |
| 15:05.34 | foxtrot9 | or you can just run the ssh command without &, then hit ctrl+z and type bg |
| 15:05.48 | foxtrot9 | johnfg use ssh -X |
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| 15:06.56 | debianuser | the #netfilter guys are sleeping ... that's so disgusting |
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| 15:07.14 | foxtrot9 | sleeping is disgusting? |
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| 15:07.57 | bunny69 | i'm sleeping too |
| 15:08.09 | _Christophe_ | SerajewelKS, I've got a strange behaviour...When I put exclude=root/path/to/exclude it's ok |
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| 15:08.22 | _Christophe_ | But, if I have exclude='root/path/to/exclude' |
| 15:08.33 | _Christophe_ | Exclude don't work anymore |
| 15:08.46 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: in any modern shell, those two are equivalent |
| 15:09.34 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: the shell should be processing the quote marks before rsync ever sees them |
| 15:09.44 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: try this: echo abc a'b'c |
| 15:09.46 | debianuser | maybe i picked the wrong word. linguistic problems |
| 15:09.48 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: what does this output? |
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| 15:11.10 | _Christophe_ | Ok |
| 15:11.19 | _Christophe_ | It's ok |
| 15:12.02 | _Christophe_ | Maybe it occurs because it is in double quote to store it in a variable |
| 15:12.13 | cga | frostschutz, ping |
| 15:12.24 | frostschutz | cga: ? |
| 15:12.52 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: when in doubt, add "echo" before "rsync" and see if the output matches the command you expected to be invoked |
| 15:13.05 | _Christophe_ | I already did it |
| 15:13.08 | _Christophe_ | Its ok... |
| 15:13.19 | _Christophe_ | It as I would like |
| 15:13.33 | _Christophe_ | exclude='root/path/to/exclude'' |
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| 15:14.01 | johnfg | Have a good one folks! ttyl! |
| 15:14.21 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 15:14.36 | _Christophe_ | I have the sign quote when echoing |
| 15:14.51 | _Christophe_ | But when they are present the exclude directive don't work anymore |
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| 15:15.15 | SerajewelKS | pastebin your script |
| 15:15.20 | themill | _Christophe_: can you pastebin the full command you're giving. Also, are you typing this in the shell or invoking it through something else like perl? |
| 15:15.47 | thewanderer1 | I'm in a chroot and need to install GRUB for booting from UEFI. how do I do this? I've created /boot/efi, but the package does not create any files within that directory. |
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| 15:16.01 | _Christophe_ | themill, I invoke i through a script |
| 15:16.08 | _Christophe_ | Not directly from command line |
| 15:16.21 | _Christophe_ | I'll try directly |
| 15:16.21 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: pastebin the entire script |
| 15:17.58 | _Christophe_ | SerajewelKS, themill : when I use the echo commande of rsync it work |
| 15:18.20 | SerajewelKS | _Christophe_: PLEASE PASTEBIN YOUR SCRIPT |
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| 15:18.32 | _Christophe_ | but I have to add quotes for rsync -e 'ssh _p22' |
| 15:18.40 | _Christophe_ | I'll try to fix it |
| 15:18.50 | SerajewelKS | facepalm |
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| 15:19.15 | cga | frostschutz, sorry for the lag here are the specs, jfyi: http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/skc100s3_us.pdf |
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| 15:20.01 | cga | frostschutz, what do you reckon I could do? I am out of ideas. |
| 15:20.05 | thewanderer1 | aha! the Wheezy version of GRUB worked, whereas the squeeze one had no effect and a buggy grub-install... |
| 15:20.27 | frostschutz | cga: well, you were asking how to erase a drive, but it turns out yours is password locked, and that's not easy to get around. unfortunately locked drives are pretty much bricked, personally I'd much prefer you could simply erase them, but that's not how it works |
| 15:21.11 | Benkinooby | hi, it seems dhcpcd does not work properly... the dhcp-server of the network works with other computers, but the dhcpcd of my computer does "checking for IP XYZ" instead of "broadcasting for a lease"... any ideas? i had no luck with google until now :( |
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| 15:21.55 | frostschutz | cga: if you can't get the pw from the bios that's unlocking & freezing the drive, the only other option I guess is to put a piece of hardware into the sata cable that sniffs the traffic; unless the drive itself has a backdoor/recovery method |
| 15:22.23 | cga | frostschutz, I thought that too but I don't have the means to |
| 15:22.46 | thewanderer1 | w00t! I'm booting from UEFI! Wheezy shall be a magnificent release :) |
| 15:22.49 | cga | frostschutz, I thank you so much for your precious reasoning and help. |
| 15:22.51 | listenpreis | hm can somebody help me with midnightcommander? |
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| 15:23.15 | listenpreis | I connected to a unix system over ssh but it says "ERROR - CANNOT CHANGE DIRECTORY" when I try to change a directory |
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| 15:24.38 | colo-work | listenpreis, maybe you lack the +x permission for the directory you want to change to |
| 15:24.59 | listenpreis | uhm, I am root |
| 15:25.27 | listenpreis | and when I am in the shell over ssh with putty I can access that folder of course |
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| 15:25.36 | _-` | Echo |
| 15:25.44 | colo-work | well, maybe mc is having a bad day. |
| 15:25.48 | colo-work | I don't know. |
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| 15:26.54 | _-` | Hi, i'm trying to install debian but it need a non-free firmware for network, are there a tool to install this firmware : bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw after the install is finished ? |
| 15:27.26 | _Christophe_ | SerajewelKS, themill : I manage to correct the code |
| 15:27.31 | _Christophe_ | *managed |
| 15:27.46 | themill | _-`: that's in the firmware-bnx2 package in non-free |
| 15:27.46 | _Christophe_ | I had to store my command in a variable and eval it |
| 15:27.58 | themill | _Christophe_: ewww... that's going to end badly |
| 15:28.08 | _Christophe_ | I stored it exactly how I'd like it to be as I type it |
| 15:28.11 | themill | dpkg: tell _-` about non-free sources |
| 15:28.26 | _Christophe_ | See you tomorrow guys ;) |
| 15:28.33 | thewanderer1 | uhhh, it seems that I am unable to edit entries before booting in grub-efi-amd64 ? |
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| 15:29.17 | listenpreis | colo-work: I think it's this: https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2528 |
| 15:29.20 | listenpreis | oh gosh... |
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| 15:29.27 | cga | bye all |
| 15:29.32 | listenpreis | wait.. running on a machine |
| 15:29.35 | _-` | Ty, but i dont have network ! |
| 15:29.36 | listenpreis | *pc |
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| 15:30.01 | _-` | How can i install this firmware ? |
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| 15:33.01 | Sazpaimon | is there a utility to convert an RPM spec file to a debian directory? |
| 15:33.21 | SerajewelKS | Sazpaimon: alien can convert an .rpm to a .deb |
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| 15:33.51 | kyconquers | Is there a way to tell which version of a library is installed? and replace it with source code for the next version? |
| 15:33.52 | _-` | is there an utility to install a .fw file on debian ? :) |
| 15:33.56 | Sazpaimon | SerajewelKS, i didn't say rpm to deb, i said RPM spec file to debian directory |
| 15:34.31 | karlpinc | _-`: You could, for instance, download it on another computer, put it on a usb stick, plug it into your debian box, mount it, and then install it. |
| 15:35.04 | _-` | Ok, but how install it ? |
| 15:35.14 | thewanderer1 | _-`, they typically come in packages, fetch a deb instead (packages.debian.org) and dpkg --install $filename from the stick |
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| 15:35.48 | _-` | Well ! this is great thank you ! |
| 15:35.51 | karlpinc | kyconquers: If you tell us what you're really trying to do we'll tell you the best way to do it. |
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| 15:38.59 | kyconquers | I need to create a perl backend ldap database, there is a bug in version 2.4.28 (the current version used by the debian package), I have the source code for version 2.4.30. I need to replace the openldap lib with the version I have the source code for. I have tried to just configure/make/make install it, I still gives the bug (I think it is using old version still). |
| 15:39.45 | SerajewelKS | Sazpaimon: there's no tool i know of that can do this with source packages, no |
| 15:40.09 | jelly | kyconquers: you didn't package it properly? |
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| 15:40.48 | kyconquers | jelly, what do you mean? I am new to debian. |
| 15:41.01 | karlpinc | kyconquers: configure/make/make install is going to cause problems, eventually. You either want a newer version <bdo> or backport it yourself <ssb>, or perhaps you want to use <stow> (see also <stow usage>) The things in <> are <factoids> you ask the bot by typing "/msg dpkg factoid" in irc. |
| 15:41.16 | jelly | kyconquers: which perl module are you using for ldap connectivity and how did you install it? |
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| 15:42.13 | jelly | ,versions libldap2 |
| 15:42.14 | judd | No package named 'libldap2' was found in i386. |
| 15:42.16 | karlpinc | kyconquers: If you want to put newer software into debian stable http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware has tips. |
| 15:42.32 | kyconquers | jelly, right now I'm using the sample one. |
| 15:42.34 | jelly | ,versions libldap-2.4-2 |
| 15:42.35 | judd | Package: libldap-2.4-2 on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny: 2.4.11-1+lenny2.1; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.4.23-7.2; sid: 2.4.28-1.1; wheezy: 2.4.28-1.1 |
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| 15:42.49 | jelly | kyconquers: that comes with...? |
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| 15:43.05 | jelly | kyconquers: openldap source? |
| 15:43.05 | fish_ | hi |
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| 15:43.15 | kyconquers | jelly, yes |
| 15:43.55 | jelly | kyconquers: where does it install to, what's the module name? |
| 15:44.10 | jelly | has no idea about the openldap source side |
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| 15:44.35 | kyconquers | It is a custom that I had to edit to fit my needs |
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| 15:45.12 | kyconquers | openldap allows you to select which directory and the name of the module for you to use. |
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| 15:45.48 | jelly | how does it make sure your custom headers and libraries are used as well? |
| 15:46.05 | jelly | kyconquers: which prefix did you install openldap in? |
| 15:47.00 | kyconquers | jelly, to install ldap i used "apt-get install slapd ldap-utils" |
| 15:47.18 | kyconquers | to get the source code I downloaded a tgz |
| 15:47.31 | karlpinc | kyconquers: He means, when you did a ./configure what was the argument to --prefix ? |
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| 15:47.36 | kyconquers | does that answer your question? |
| 15:47.47 | fish_ | is there a debianized (easy & supported by debian) way of using full disk encryption with suspend-to-disk? |
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| 15:48.08 | kyconquers | --enable-perl |
| 15:48.11 | jelly | kyconquers: no, it does not. can you pastebin the output of your customized perl module build and installation |
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| 15:50.49 | kyconquers | http://pastebin.com/iPWsJh4D jelly this is the perl module |
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| 15:55.34 | jelly | kyconquers: alright, that's just the perl part. If the slapd part is buggy, you'll want to make sure you're using your local slapd and not the packaged one |
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| 15:57.07 | debianuser | i have learned that this channel has nothing to do with firewall problems |
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| 15:58.33 | kyconquers | jelly, how would I do that? |
| 15:59.25 | jelly | kyconquers: remove the packaged version for safety reasons, configure and use your local one |
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| 16:03.12 | kyconquers | jelly, when configureing my local one is it ok to use the autotools ? |
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| 16:03.46 | jelly | kyconquers: alternatively, try to package a newer version of slapd using the uupdate tool and the procedure from /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:04.44 | jelly | kyconquers: or pick out the fix for your particular bug and patch Debian's source just for that bug, and rebuild it; /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 16:08.21 | jelly | dunno, if I had to fit data from some different source and make it look like LDAP, I'd try something like http://blog.rot13.org/2009/03/virtual_ldap_rewrite_or_augment_data_on_the_fly.html |
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| 16:11.00 | mo1991 | I would like to build some deb packages from the experimental compiz source - I am currently using wheezy. Can someone point me in the right direction for some howto? It has been a long time since I have built my own deb packages |
| 16:11.16 | Lars_G_ | What was the channel for devs? |
| 16:11.42 | Guest98547 | Hi. I just installed using netinstall for the first time. I then did apt-get install xorg and rebooted, then apt-get install fluxbox and rebooted (just in case, I'm scared I'll break something). Now when I try starfluxbox I get "unable to open display ''" & "couldn't connect to xserver. Any tips what should I do next? |
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| 16:12.31 | mo1991 | is it as simple as apt-get -b source packagename using the experminetal repositories ?? |
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| 16:13.11 | DammitJim | Guest98547, you might have to set .xsession to exec startfluxbox |
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| 16:13.55 | Guest98547 | DammitJim: Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it |
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| 16:16.28 | Amoug | Is it ok to put all log files in /var/log to chmod 600 ? |
| 16:16.50 | ChrisH | Amoug: standard question: why? |
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| 16:17.05 | Amoug | ChrisH, Security |
| 16:17.19 | Amoug | make them non readable |
| 16:17.31 | Amoug | for non root users |
| 16:18.06 | ChrisH | I do not really see an securoty improvement doing that. Debian has extremly strict modes already, compared to eg. Solaris or HPUX. |
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| 16:19.13 | Amoug | hmm. some examples could be sensitive information disclosure in log files. |
| 16:19.27 | ChrisH | example? -v ? |
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| 16:20.23 | Amoug | apache logs. Web application that sends parameters in GET requests => they will appear in the uri (some.php?param=info) |
| 16:20.23 | ChrisH | Amoug: in my /var/log nearly no file is world readable! |
| 16:21.44 | Amoug | And that's my question :) |
| 16:22.12 | Amoug | I suppose that there aren't applications that need read/write logs |
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| 16:22.34 | Amoug | but I wasn't sure. |
| 16:23.06 | ChrisH | Amoug: I did not change anything from Debian standard. You must make sure the application/process writing the log is still able to do so! |
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| 16:23.41 | haotian | are the .directories hidden directories ? how can I list them on terminal ? |
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| 16:24.08 | ChrisH | Amoug: standard here is -rw-r----- 1 root adm 16850 Mar 28 17:51 access.log |
| 16:24.19 | ChrisH | haotian: ls -la |
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| 16:25.29 | Lars_G_ | What is the debian file that coordinates the upload of a package to repo during build? |
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| 16:26.15 | rowinggolfer | greetings. my google powers have failed me. Is there a list of somewhere of the packages installed during a normal 64bit wheezy desktop install? ie. what would I dpkg --get-selections return on a "virgin" box? |
| 16:26.44 | P4C0 | Hello, it looks like I'm having a problem with debian 6.0.4, postgresql and heartbeat |
| 16:27.37 | P4C0 | i have been googling around and my problem seems to be this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617451 but it seems a bit out of date... not sure where I can find updated information? about heartbeat and postgresql on debian 6? |
| 16:28.00 | Guest98547 | Thanks for the help DammitJim et al, see you later! |
| 16:28.07 | P4C0 | here's something similar, but older: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4/+bug/655431 |
| 16:28.12 | themill | rowinggolfer: that actually depends somewhat the selections you make during the installation and on the hardware that is detected at install time |
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| 16:30.14 | rowinggolfer | themill, that makes sense, thanks. What i am specifically looking for is perhaps a list of the default desktop applications. I've baulked up my gnome install somewhat. |
| 16:30.30 | themill | rowinggolfer: the output of "aptitude search ~E ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" would map to a default install. |
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| 16:30.52 | rowinggolfer | themill, wonderful. thankyou. |
| 16:30.53 | themill | rowinggolfer: ahh... desktop stuff is more complicated than that though. /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 16:34.20 | rowinggolfer | indeed.. looking at the packages your command returned looks very much like the packages I had after I made the big cock up this morning. I am now 99% back to normal I think. I'll get a list from my other machine. Thanks again. |
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| 16:36.56 | rowinggolfer | P4C0, what issues are you having? |
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| 16:37.46 | P4C0 | rowinggolfer: heartbeat doesn't starts postgres |
| 16:38.07 | _abc_ | Hello. Does anyone *else* have trouble compiling openocd on debian? |
| 16:38.26 | rowinggolfer | P4CO postgres should be started at boot though ? |
| 16:38.36 | karlpinc | _abc_: If you want help you'll have to tell us what your problem is. |
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| 16:39.31 | rowinggolfer | P4C0, that sounds like a bug in heartbeat to me? |
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| 16:39.48 | P4C0 | rowinggolfer: nevermind, already fixed it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4/+bug/655431 |
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| 16:40.05 | rowinggolfer | P4CO well done. |
| 16:40.21 | rowinggolfer | P4C0, interesting bug that. |
| 16:40.22 | _abc_ | compilation of openocd via summon-arm-toolchain , error is related to location of usb.h and kernel headers related to it |
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| 16:40.51 | _abc_ | This seems to be a Debian only problem? (also checked on knoppix live cd which is modified debian) |
| 16:41.04 | _abc_ | So has anyone seen trouble or success running summon-arm-toolchain ? |
| 16:41.05 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 16:41.07 | _abc_ | on Debian |
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| 16:41.14 | karlpinc | _abc_: You might want to pastebin the output. |
| 16:41.26 | HardDisk_WP | can I get the current network load in Mbps in machine-readable? |
| 16:41.27 | karlpinc | _abc_: (Not that I'd know what I was looking at.) |
| 16:41.44 | P4C0 | rowinggolfer: yeah, and now looking at this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617451 if heartbeat is checking for Running then it will always think postgresql is down :( |
| 16:42.16 | _abc_ | karlpinc: that is not helpful, configure.log is helpful, basically I have kernel headers installed, but usb.h is not in /usr/include/ where openocd expects it to be, and if I link it (from /usr/include/linux) then other related header problems prevent building at usb.h |
| 16:42.37 | rowinggolfer | P4C0, worth mentioning that the default postgres on wheezy is 9.1, which may give you different issues. Does heartbeat support postgres 9? |
| 16:42.41 | _abc_ | karlpinc: the real question is, have the headers been moved around, and, if so, is there a compatibility howto or workaround? |
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| 16:43.48 | P4C0 | rowinggolfer: no idea |
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| 16:44.43 | karlpinc | _abc_: apt-file tells me that /usr/include/usb.h is in the libusb-dev package. (Among others.) Perhaps you need to install it. |
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| 16:45.31 | _abc_ | karlpinc: I think I have that but I will check it again. Thanks. |
| 16:45.53 | _abc_ | karlpinc: Who decided to separate -dev and non dev packages on Debian? It is very confusing |
| 16:46.00 | rowinggolfer | P4C0, debian supports having both 8.4 and 9.1 running concurrently, and that is why the result of the status script has changed. My machine gives this. neil@tiny-black:~$ sudo service postgresql status |
| 16:46.00 | rowinggolfer | Running clusters: 8.4/main |
| 16:46.00 | rowinggolfer | Running clusters: 9.1/main |
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| 16:46.17 | karlpinc | _abc_: Saves lots of space for most people. |
| 16:46.36 | _abc_ | Also the mpc package I find on archive.debian.org is not at all related to the prerequisites for building gcc, from gnu, but some obscure music player related thing. Could some take a look at that? |
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| 16:46.47 | _abc_ | karlpinc: I find it makes me very frustrated sometimes... |
| 16:47.13 | _abc_ | *someone |
| 16:47.17 | _abc_ | Anyway, thanks for the pointer |
| 16:47.30 | karlpinc | _abc_: I don't know much about it. There are some meta-packages (build-essential) that install lots of developer stuff. But I don't know if anything addreses your problem. |
| 16:47.55 | _abc_ | Okay, I will plough on by hand tomorrow. |
| 16:48.46 | karlpinc | _abc_: apt-file is useful. |
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| 16:49.27 | innociv | how do i tar pack all directories and files in a directory, excluding one folder there? I want to pack the whole /public/ folder, excluding /public/images/* |
| 16:49.28 | _abc_ | karlpinc: okay. I prefer to work off a dvd because net access sucks around here and takes ages. |
| 16:49.47 | _abc_ | innociv: man tar, /exclude |
| 16:49.56 | innociv | Thanks |
| 16:49.59 | karlpinc | _abc_: I think apt-file will still work. |
| 16:50.19 | _abc_ | --exclude=PATTERN >> innociv |
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| 16:50.41 | _abc_ | innociv: you need to quote the pattern with ' or " |
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| 16:50.54 | _abc_ | karlpinc: apt-file needs to be told where the repo is, no? |
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| 16:51.31 | rndmz | _abc_ yeh, on a archive |
| 16:51.39 | karlpinc | _abc_: It uses a local cache, but needs to fill it from somewhere. (Debian is kind of painful without net access.) |
| 16:51.43 | rowinggolfer | _abc_, apt-cdrom |
| 16:51.54 | _abc_ | ah |
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| 16:52.14 | _abc_ | karlpinc: I disagree, I had success using local repos and dvds. |
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| 16:52.44 | rndmz | _abc_: if u dont have it... then u only have to cry ahaha |
| 16:53.18 | karlpinc | _abc_: I can see how that would work... I had pain with intermittent connectivity. Slow is not as much of a problem. |
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| 16:54.01 | rowinggolfer | packages tend to stagate on DVDs though :( local repos for the win :) |
| 16:54.01 | rndmz | i've issues with my network card |
| 16:54.03 | karlpinc | _abc_: How do you keep up with security updates? |
| 16:54.04 | rndmz | that was a really pain on my but |
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| 16:54.47 | Justin | karlpinc: security updates are not extremely relevant on a system not connected to anything.. |
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| 16:55.14 | karlpinc | Justin: Yes, but as soon as there's a little connectivity somebody will want to use it. :) |
| 16:55.43 | rndmz | nope |
| 16:55.45 | rndmz | chuck testa |
| 16:55.46 | rndmz | BETTER USE WINDOWS |
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| 16:57.05 | GTRsdk | How well to ATI graphics cards work in Debian? |
| 16:57.20 | GTRsdk | (I mean modern like 6xxx ones) |
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| 16:59.30 | _abc_ | karlpinc: Not much. The machine is never online it is used for microprocessor development only and never touches the net other than indirectly |
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| 17:00.27 | karlpinc | _abc_: I guess there's always the point releases if you get your security in bulk. |
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| 17:01.30 | _abc_ | karlpinc: basically the system is so fragile due to the custom tools built on it that I prefer not to update anything if not absolutely needed. |
| 17:01.38 | boston8372 | anyone know a good "moc os" ftp client |
| 17:01.47 | _abc_ | boston8372: mac os maybe? |
| 17:01.55 | boston8372 | nah |
| 17:02.02 | boston8372 | a gui |
| 17:02.17 | rowinggolfer | filezilla? |
| 17:02.24 | boston8372 | not avail for mac |
| 17:02.32 | karlpinc | boston8372: The fireftp plugin? |
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| 17:03.33 | rndmz | boston8372: http://www.maxum.com try this |
| 17:03.34 | GTRsdk | boston8372: FileZilla should work on OSX if you have OS X |
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| 17:04.44 | rndmz | boston8372: filezilla works on OS x |
| 17:04.46 | sfsf32 | hi |
| 17:04.56 | rndmz | hey |
| 17:04.56 | rndmz | http://filezilla-project.org/download.php |
| 17:04.59 | rndmz | there is boston8372 |
| 17:05.16 | boston8372 | ah i see the project offsite thx. the main filezilla is only windows. |
| 17:05.22 | boston8372 | thx |
| 17:06.21 | sfsf32 | when i try to reproduce a .mp4 file with gnome-mplayer i see only a a screen full of colored small squares. What could be the reason? |
| 17:06.21 | rndmz | hey sfsf32 |
| 17:06.22 | rndmz | :D |
| 17:06.23 | rndmz | how are u bro |
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| 17:06.39 | themill | rndmz: were you looking for #defocus by any chance? |
| 17:06.40 | sfsf32 | i'm tired but fine |
| 17:06.43 | sfsf32 | thanks |
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| 17:07.32 | rndmz | themill haha dunno what you mean with defocus D: |
| 17:08.17 | themill | rndmz: this isn't a social channel, this is a channel for end-user support. Places like #defocus are for random social chatter. |
| 17:08.19 | Justin | sfsf32: sounds like the file is truncated.. |
| 17:08.30 | jelly-home | rndmz: it's the name for the generic chat channel on this irc network |
| 17:08.37 | rndmz | Oh, i was just being nice |
| 17:08.56 | sfsf32 | Justin, you mean that the file could be non complete? |
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| 17:09.17 | Justin | sfsf32: yes. mp4 files can be encoded with important information at the end instead of encoded for streaming.. |
| 17:09.29 | sfsf32 | ok, thanks |
| 17:09.36 | Justin | sfsf32: you can probably fix it though |
| 17:10.10 | sfsf32 | how? |
| 17:11.08 | Justin | sfsf32: http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/~ponchio/untrunc.php looks promising, but it might be a bit half baked |
| 17:11.23 | Justin | there is proably some other tool out there that can fix it, or maybe even a different player can handle it. I'd try vlc |
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| 17:11.48 | sfsf32 | ok i will try. Thank you |
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| 17:14.10 | FDFlock | sfsf32: I'd try to remux it, eg. to matroska (.mkv) which is an excellent format |
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| 17:14.42 | FDFlock | with mkvtoolnix-gui |
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| 17:15.23 | FDFlock | but correct playback of the last seconds is not guaranteed |
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| 17:18.09 | sfsf32 | thanks for the tip FDFlock |
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| 17:18.36 | abrotman | wonders if we can get FDFlock to change to SDF or PDF .. |
| 17:19.29 | FDFlock | SDF? What's this? :P |
| 17:19.36 | FDFlock | likes PDF though |
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| 17:21.10 | haotian | how can I shutdown the computer running debbian, through ssh over bash shell ? |
| 17:21.20 | haotian | debian* |
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| 17:23.19 | petemc | haotian: halt or shutdown -h now |
| 17:23.22 | FDFlock | haotian: "sudo halt" would certainly work (""), but I'm not sure whether it's the redcomended command or not. |
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| 17:23.38 | FDFlock | s/("")// |
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| 17:23.56 | FDFlock | *recommended |
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| 17:24.01 | emerica | sudo shutdown now works for me most of the time unless it drops to maint mode |
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| 17:24.34 | jelly-home | haotian: do you also want the machine to power off? |
| 17:24.44 | Siegfried | am i the only one that has a broken chromium in wheezy? some requests seem failing |
| 17:24.51 | Siegfried | since 1 week |
| 17:24.54 | haotian | jelly-home :: yeah |
| 17:25.12 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.21 | DaveNull | Siegfried, there is a update yesterday |
| 17:25.24 | jelly-home | (from shutdown(8) manual page) |
| 17:25.37 | Siegfried | i didn't see any improvement then, i applied all :( |
| 17:25.53 | innociv | What packages might I be missing? When trying to build something from source I'm getting http://pastebin.com/dXQw6R3B that looks problematic |
| 17:26.21 | haotian | "sudo halt" right? without quotes |
| 17:26.38 | FDFlock | haotian: yes |
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| 17:27.18 | chellomere | innociv, g++ |
| 17:27.56 | innociv | Thanks! |
| 17:28.33 | themill | !b-e innociv |
| 17:28.33 | dpkg | innociv: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:28.47 | innociv | Ahh right |
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| 17:29.29 | chellomere | oh right |
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| 17:30.01 | FDFlock | Unrelated comment: So many people trying to build from source in a binary distro is a strange sign, and somewhat worrying (although we have "selection bias" here in the channel). I think it's an indication that the Debian release policy isn't optimal, more specifically that the gap between "stable" releases is too large. |
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| 17:30.36 | FDFlock | Of course, we already know that... |
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| 17:39.29 | jelly-home | FDFlock: on the other hand, not all people need the same set of software updated, and keeping stable as a platform while upgrading the required bits is not a bad idea |
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| 17:42.20 | jelly-home | thus my mail server may run the latest postfix, and maybe the latest rsync for fancy syncing of configuration, but the rest is all stable, covered by security support and a promise of unbroken ABIs |
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| 17:42.56 | somiaj | FDFlock: I still see people in here running lenny and etch because it suits their needs and they don't want/need to upgrade. Some people would prefer security support for a longer life span than 2 years. Unlike other distros who also support a long term release debian just dosen't have an alternative for the people who want a more short term up to date release. |
| 17:43.32 | somiaj | FDFlock: My hope is debian cut will apease those people who are currently running testing as they feel stable is 'to old' |
| 17:43.34 | dvs | yet... |
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| 17:45.35 | passstab | is cut still a thing? |
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| 17:45.55 | somiaj | I think it was renamed but forget what they are calling it now |
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| 17:46.04 | somiaj | and I doubt much effort is going to be put into it until after wheezy is released. |
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| 17:47.27 | FDFlock | jelly-home, somiaj : Ideally, everyone "needs" all his software to be up-to-date, as long as it is stable (and secure). Of course, that's impossible, so each distro chooses its own set of compromises. (the exception is certain apps that break backwards compatibility) |
| 17:48.00 | FDFlock | somiaj: Debian CUT? Seems interesting. Is anyone actually using it? |
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| 17:48.49 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I prefer all my software to be functional rather than up-to-date. |
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| 17:49.15 | somiaj | I don't think everyone 'needs' software up-to-date. This just falls into the idea that newer is better (even if you take the bugs out of new software) |
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| 17:50.25 | FDFlock | somiaj: But newer (software) usually is better (Gnome 3 is an exception, ugh...). |
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| 17:50.53 | somiaj | FDFlock: peole said the same thing about gnome2. I use fvwm and latex, and in the last 10 years I have not seen an improvment I really needed. |
| 17:51.08 | FDFlock | Yes, it isn't always better in practice (and certainly not more stable), that's why I said "ideally" |
| 17:51.09 | somiaj | my fvwm setup is the same it was in 2004 |
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| 17:52.30 | somiaj | I personally think all of this linux desktop push to use dbus, consolekit, policykit, etc is determintial to the KISS policy of unix, and will try to keep from using newer software that follows these trends. |
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| 17:53.05 | thewanderer1 | agreed :P |
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| 17:53.41 | FDFlock | There are many examples where newer is better (even if you don't count security fixes, and provided that the new version is stable enough) : the kernel, gcc and other dev tools (eg. Eclipse in Squeeze doesn't really cover my needs, but the latest does), multimedia software. |
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| 17:54.27 | somiaj | FDFlock: To me more features does not mean it is better. Even if you threw out the possiblity of buggy/inscure newer software there are plenty of reasons to want to use older software. (try to run a modern desktop on a computer pre 2004 for instance) |
| 17:55.07 | FDFlock | somiaj: True, Linux desktop has become heavier. |
| 17:55.20 | FDFlock | "To me more features does not mean it is better." --> Unless you need them! (I do.) |
| 17:55.53 | FDFlock | (not all of them obviously.. not even most of them) |
| 17:56.29 | somiaj | then use backports, or find a distro that fits your needs. Or run testing/unstable and wait for debian cut (or what ever version becomes of it) |
| 17:56.32 | WinstonSmith | so run an older linux with a new kernel. that satisfies /my/ needs just fine |
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| 17:57.39 | passstab | i'm doing fine on testing |
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| 17:58.20 | passstab | i just wish i didn't need to do that install/upgrade thing |
| 17:58.50 | kevlarman | somiaj: being able to shutdown/suspend without being root is nice though |
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| 18:00.07 | RickHull | Hi, i am trying to mount a partition to /var/local/X |
| 18:00.37 | RickHull | looking at /etc/fstab, it mentions a command, vol_id |
| 18:00.37 | RickHull | but I don't seem to ahve this command on my system |
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| 18:01.22 | RickHull | i created the new partition out of unallocated space on the disk |
| 18:01.35 | RickHull | it's not showing up in /etc/fstab on its own. i assume I should add it there manually? |
| 18:01.54 | RickHull | i booted into gparted to create the partition |
| 18:02.20 | thewanderer1 | RickHull, /etc/fstab is not updated automatically, you need to add it by hand |
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| 18:02.52 | RickHull | the existing fstab entries use UUIDs, and fstab says to use `vol_id` to get the UUID for my new partition |
| 18:02.58 | RickHull | but I don't have `vol_id` |
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| 18:03.07 | petemc | RickHull: blkid |
| 18:03.22 | RickHull | petemc: ah, I do have this one |
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| 18:03.40 | RickHull | i am on 6.0.3, should fstab be updated with the proper command? |
| 18:03.44 | RickHull | or this has already been done? |
| 18:03.56 | petemc | no, you need to edit fstab yourself |
| 18:04.05 | petemc | blkid gives you the uid, if you want to use that |
| 18:04.08 | RickHull | i mean, the reference to vol_id |
| 18:04.11 | RickHull | i did not add that ;) |
| 18:04.20 | petemc | you can use the 'normal' partition name if you want, like /dev/sda1 |
| 18:04.30 | RickHull | blkid says for my new partition: SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" |
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| 18:04.37 | RickHull | (unlike the others, which have no SEC entry) |
| 18:04.49 | RickHull | is that a concern? |
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| 18:05.12 | RickHull | my point about vol_id, is that fstab should not tell you to use a nonexistent command |
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| 18:05.50 | petemc | RickHull: what does fstab say about vol_id, exactly? |
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| 18:06.09 | RickHull | # Use 'vol_id --uuid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device ... etc etc |
| 18:06.48 | passstab | cut is still a thing |
| 18:06.51 | passstab | http://alioth.debian.org/~gilbert-guest/snapshots/2012.04/ |
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| 18:07.15 | FDFlock | somiaj: Oh, I won't change my distro anytime soon, Debian is still the best compromie for me. And I know what you mean, for example I'm using the same terminal emulator config for years, including my color scheme (rxvt-unicode is awesome! - and fast) |
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| 18:07.30 | FDFlock | (late reply because of disconnection) |
| 18:07.39 | FDFlock | *compromise |
| 18:08.36 | FDFlock | my current approach is switching to Debian testing a few months before the release of the next "stable", and using certin backports afterwards |
| 18:09.20 | FDFlock | If I wanted to compile stuff all the time, I'd switch back to Gentoo, thank you! (which is also more flexible when it comes to mixing stable/unstable) |
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| 18:11.05 | somiaj | kevlarman: and there are other ways to go about it. But yes, these things are nice, but they add an unwanted layer for me. (: |
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| 18:11.34 | somiaj | FDFlock: yea debian is keeping me from switching to BSD, but if the linux desktop trends continue debian will eventally follow and I may find myself on BSD one day. |
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| 18:11.55 | kevlarman | somiaj: also pulse is about the only thing that deals with sound cards that go away (usb, bluetooth) or show up at random sanely |
| 18:12.04 | kevlarman | even though that's a very unwanted layer for me |
| 18:12.23 | somiaj | though I still have fait the debian matainers are going to keep sane defaults and not riddle things with dependencies (unless you want to run a full desktop, so it apeases both groups) |
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| 18:12.49 | somiaj | kevlarman: alsa works just fine for my usb sound cards, But I don't need seemeles switching it isn't an issue for me to restart an application to use a specific sound card. |
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| 18:13.18 | kevlarman | somiaj: majority of programs i run don't even have an option to choose a sound card |
| 18:13.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: but I will admit I have very minimial needs, and though some things would be nice, I think the cost of a few nice features out weight the actual features. |
| 18:13.48 | RickHull | petemc: FYI: http://pastie.org/3686916 |
| 18:13.53 | FDFlock | somiaj: BSD, however nice, has always seems a bit alien to me, and I'm still not convinced that it has any advantage over, let's say, Gentoo. |
| 18:14.25 | OU81-werk | is there a way to prevent aptitude from installing a new kernel on upgrade? |
| 18:14.26 | somiaj | FDFlock: gentoo is a pain to matain, but their USE flags have made me consider using it from time to time. |
| 18:14.32 | kevlarman | FDFlock: bsd has nothing to do with building everything |
| 18:14.35 | FDFlock | somiaj: In fact most of the userland is Linux-derived nowadays and the kernel does not seem to have any advantage for MY needs |
| 18:14.37 | somiaj | OU81-werk: remove the kernel meta package |
| 18:14.47 | somiaj | OU81-werk: so install the actual kernel linux-image-version-arch |
| 18:15.02 | somiaj | OU81-werk: for example install linux-image-2.6.39-amd64 (as opposed to linux-image-2.6) |
| 18:15.05 | OU81-werk | somiaj: currently I have a BPO kernel |
| 18:15.14 | FDFlock | somiaj: Have you ever tried Gentoo? I'm just curious. |
| 18:15.17 | somiaj | OU81-werk: note it will still do an upgrade if there is a security patch |
| 18:15.19 | kevlarman | FDFlock: the main issue with bsd is that he who breaks your audio keeps trying to break freebsd |
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| 18:15.45 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Was that a riddle? :) |
| 18:15.50 | somiaj | FDFlock: I used it for 6 months a couple of years ago, and have lots of friends who run it. I don't like complining eveyrthing, but I sure enjoy the concept of USE flags and sometimes wish debian had something similar for certain packages. |
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| 18:16.18 | OU81-werk | somiaj: note current kernel is 2.6.39 and aptitude wants to install 2.6.32-5 |
| 18:16.30 | somiaj | OU81-werk: well dpkg -l | grep linux-image (lets see the packages you have installed) |
| 18:16.39 | kevlarman | FDFlock: lennart poettering |
| 18:16.45 | somiaj | OU81-werk: you can have multiple kernels, I'm sure the kernel update you are getting is because you still have the stock squeeze kernel on your systems |
| 18:17.12 | somiaj | OU81-werk: and there was a security fix to that kernel a few days ago, so yes it will want to upgrade. But it still won't be your default kernel, the highest version number will be default |
| 18:17.13 | FDFlock | somiaj: I've been using it for a couple of years. reat, great disto, but way too time-consuming maintainance. In fact, every user ends up been being a full-time maintainer of his own, personal sub-distro. |
| 18:17.36 | somiaj | OU81-werk: if you don't want the squeeze kernel, just remove it, it won't hurt anything (Except not have it there as backup if you needed it for some strange reson) |
| 18:17.36 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i'm not looking forward to the day when i'm forced to switch to windows, but i'm pretty sure it's going to happen |
| 18:17.49 | kevlarman | FDFlock: thanks to things like pulse and wayland |
| 18:17.52 | FDFlock | Gentoo is more of a meta-distro, even more than Debian.. |
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| 18:18.01 | OU81-werk | somiaj: currently i have the meta-package as well as the 2.6.32-41, if I remove the 2.6.32 will aptitude ignore that as an update? |
| 18:18.26 | somiaj | OU81-werk: you will have to remove the meta-package to (But it should get removed when you remove the kernel package it points at) |
| 18:18.27 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Oh, I've done it for a few months, despite being a Linux user for years. I couldn't stand it and came back :) |
| 18:18.29 | OU81-werk | somiaj: just read the last response thnak you |
| 18:18.57 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i'm sure i'll hate it too |
| 18:19.12 | kevlarman | FDFlock: but if the software i use daily doesn't run on linux, what choice do i have? |
| 18:19.42 | kevlarman | (i got forced to switch to debian just because my stuff broke on arch) |
| 18:20.04 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Since the day I decided to forget PC gaming forever (that was a few years ago), Linux apps cover ALL my needs. |
| 18:20.25 | FDFlock | Well, I run some highly-specialised software in a Windows VM. |
| 18:20.44 | kevlarman | FDFlock: that's not an option |
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| 18:21.04 | FDFlock | And I admit I'd like Lightroom, but Darktable has made great strides and is much promising |
| 18:21.26 | lcc | 64bit wheezy seems to have no wine installation candidate. is there a repo I should enable, or is it just not supported? |
| 18:21.48 | somiaj | !tell lcc -about newer wine |
| 18:21.59 | somiaj | lcc: those packages are made for sid, and unoffical use at your own risk |
| 18:21.59 | FDFlock | Is there even a 64 version of WINE? |
| 18:22.07 | FDFlock | *64bit |
| 18:22.15 | lcc | somiaj: thanks |
| 18:22.15 | kevlarman | FDFlock: yes but it's not particularly useful |
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| 18:22.21 | somiaj | lcc: I personally complie my own wine and install it in /usr/local with make install |
| 18:22.23 | FDFlock | I see. |
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| 18:22.33 | kevlarman | somiaj: installing wine is overrated :P |
| 18:22.39 | lcc | somiaj: make checkinstall makes a package though right? |
| 18:22.40 | FDFlock | has always dislike WINE, and avoids it like the plague. |
| 18:22.48 | kevlarman | lcc: checkinstall won't work with wine |
| 18:22.51 | FDFlock | *disliked |
| 18:22.53 | lcc | FDFlock: the only reason is to play gta2 |
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| 18:23.07 | somiaj | FDFlock: its a multilib binary, so its a mix between 64bit libs and 32bit libs -- but uses a lot of 32bit libs (from packages like ia32-libs) |
| 18:23.09 | kevlarman | FDFlock: without wine i'd be running windows |
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| 18:23.20 | kevlarman | somiaj: nope |
| 18:23.26 | kevlarman | somiaj: it's all 32 bit |
| 18:23.31 | FDFlock | lcc: I'll just say, don't have high hopes. (But it's old s you might be lucky) |
| 18:23.58 | somiaj | kevlarman: I thought there was something it did in 64bit, (: |
| 18:24.12 | kevlarman | somiaj: not the packages built for most distros |
| 18:24.15 | somiaj | lcc: check the app database for the game you want to see how well it works. |
| 18:24.27 | FDFlock | I also had he impression that it was 32bit-only, and used multilib in 64bit distros. |
| 18:24.31 | FDFlock | *the |
| 18:24.32 | kevlarman | somiaj: you *can* build a 32 and 64 bit wine side by side and have them cooperate |
| 18:24.43 | kevlarman | somiaj: but no 64 bit windows programs of note out there yet |
| 18:24.52 | jelly-home | kevlarman: Exchange? :-) |
| 18:24.58 | jelly-home | MSSQL? :-) |
| 18:25.14 | kevlarman | jelly-home: if you run exchange or mssql in wine you deserve all the suffering you get :D |
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| 18:25.18 | FDFlock | kevlarman: All notable Windows programs have 64bit versions... |
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| 18:25.28 | somiaj | !tell lcc -about wine-unstable |
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| 18:25.33 | FDFlock | ...because by definition those who do not are not notable! |
| 18:25.36 | somiaj | lcc: that is what I wanted to send you, it has a link to an unffical repo |
| 18:25.54 | kevlarman | somiaj: that's the carbon-project.net debs? |
| 18:25.55 | jelly-home | I'd guess at least the audio, video, graphical and CAD apps would have native 64bit by now |
| 18:25.59 | somiaj | kevlarman: yes |
| 18:26.10 | kevlarman | jelly-home: those generally don't run so well in wine |
| 18:26.15 | kevlarman | 64 bit or otherwise |
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| 18:26.32 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Also image-processing. |
| 18:26.34 | jelly-home | that's quite different from "no notable programs" |
| 18:26.47 | kevlarman | their users are fewer, and they tend to require more work to get running in wine from the developers |
| 18:27.06 | abrotman | hrm, maybe we can get Debian to drop wine completely? |
| 18:27.17 | jelly-home | that would work |
| 18:27.20 | kevlarman | abrotman: that's essentially what happened already |
| 18:27.27 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Which is the reason WINE will never become good enough |
| 18:27.48 | jelly-home | FDFlock: it's already good enough for many things |
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| 18:28.00 | jelly-home | FDFlock: esp. the commercially supported cxoffice |
| 18:28.36 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Not better than running a VM, today computers have enough RAM. |
| 18:29.18 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I don't have hardware capable of providing direct access to graphic card to a VM, thus, no 3D |
| 18:29.24 | FDFlock | Of course, you'd need a Windwos license |
| 18:29.39 | somiaj | abrotman: might as well, if the devs arne't going to provide a version most the wine users will want. I actually find it a fairly easy pice of software to compile. I wonder if a script in contrib to install the build depends and download the source would suit most wine users needs. |
| 18:29.41 | abrotman | kevlarman: WFM! |
| 18:29.45 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I know, but D3D is problematic anyway. |
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| 18:29.53 | lcc | the hurd could possibly one day emulate windows without the need for wine. |
| 18:29.54 | Dulak | THe only way a VM beats wine in performance is if you have the vx extensions on your cpu and your vm uses them. I get 10x the fps in games under wine than I do in a vm, (no vx on my cpu) |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | somiaj: did you just volunteer ? |
| 18:30.12 | lcc | lol |
| 18:30.12 | jelly-home | FDFlock: it's really better -- integration of, say, Office is quite decent. Copy/pasting tables or rich text works |
| 18:30.20 | kevlarman | abrotman: tbh, from the wine end i'd rather see no package than an outdated package |
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| 18:30.50 | lcc | kevlarman: yeah, I would rather see no package than an outdated one. |
| 18:30.57 | kevlarman | abrotman: even ubuntu's packages can be a support nightmare |
| 18:31.20 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I won't disagree. The real problem with WINE is totally different, and fundamental: It is a product of reverse-engineering, and Microsoft APIs aer a moving target. |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | kevlarman: but this isn't #ubuntu, so we don't care about their problems :) |
| 18:31.30 | FDFlock | *are |
| 18:31.54 | kevlarman | abrotman: i mean their wine package is a lot more up to date than debian's, but still unreasonably old |
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| 18:32.20 | jelly-home | FDFlock: that's true. What's also true is that Windows apps have to work on a wide range of Windows OS versions and service packs, which makes Wine's job easier. |
| 18:32.24 | somiaj | abrotman: haha, (: though I guess if I were to go that route I should learn the new dh versions, I'm still useing the older cdbs to make my wine packages. |
| 18:32.27 | abrotman | kevlarman: join forces with somiaj , create a script to do it |
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| 18:32.40 | abrotman | it'd be great if it would create an actual deb out of it |
| 18:32.40 | kevlarman | abrotman: i've been thinking about it |
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| 18:33.02 | kevlarman | abrotman: i think multiarch in testing would save a lot of work though |
| 18:33.13 | somiaj | I have a simple set of commands that do create a single wine deb from the upstream sorce, but I think the cdbs system is outdated these days and haven't updated my knowledge |
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| 18:33.54 | kevlarman | somiaj: there's some source debs that supposedly work on alioth.debian.org |
| 18:34.07 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Good point about software. Still, WINE will always be a compromise. VM can be or not be a compromise, depending on your (performance) needs. Perfomance might suffer (not much), but compatibility is guaranteed. |
| 18:34.27 | kevlarman | FDFlock: compatibility is nowhere near guaranteed for d3d |
| 18:34.32 | FDFlock | ...unless yo need 3D obviously |
| 18:34.56 | somiaj | kevlarman: For my wine experience people would probabaly rather just have a nice way to compile the offical wine source from winehq.org, and deban does have nice tools to turn it into a package. If your intersted I can give you the commands I run. |
| 18:35.27 | devios | hello all - anyone aware of a video streaming server/service that can stream videos of any/various codec/format/filetype/etc? so if i had various videos on a remote server, i could preview/watch/hear them without having to download them locally? kinda like building my own youtube, without having to re-encode anything? |
| 18:35.30 | Alfabet | someone have a clue about exaile and clemetine crashing when playing flac files? |
| 18:35.42 | kevlarman | somiaj: i really hate how much boilerplate there is in generating debs :( |
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| 18:36.01 | somiaj | kevlarman: have you looked into the cdbs (comon debian build system)? |
| 18:36.07 | kevlarman | nope |
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| 18:36.24 | kevlarman | somiaj: ever see what arch PKGBUILDS look like? |
| 18:36.27 | FDFlock | kevlarman, jelly-home : Perhaps the best solution is using a graphics card natively inside a Windows VM. I don't know how difficult it would be, but some people have attempted it. |
| 18:36.29 | somiaj | devios: have you looked into mediatomb? Though you do need a specilized client to view the videos |
| 18:36.42 | kevlarman | somiaj: it's really hard to go from that to building debian packages |
| 18:36.49 | devios | somiaj: nope - never head of it. will check it out. |
| 18:36.53 | kevlarman | FDFlock: requires 2 graphics cards |
| 18:37.00 | kevlarman | FDFlock: and has stability issues on windows |
| 18:37.01 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Of course |
| 18:37.07 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i don't have 2 |
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| 18:37.24 | somiaj | kevlarman: nope, but cdbs allows you to build a deb from the standard configure; make; make install process with an empty debian/rules file (so you don't have to worry about all the extra debian matainer stuff, so it really sin't much of a set from just compling locally) |
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| 18:37.53 | FDFlock | kevlarman: You can buy a cheap 2nd one, it would be a good investment. |
| 18:37.59 | somiaj | devios: I use mediatomb to stream video to my ps3 or xbox (but as I said you need a client on the machine that wants to watch it, unlike a webbrowes like youtube) |
| 18:38.15 | jelly-home | FDFlock: and that's exactly what my hardware cannot di |
| 18:38.18 | jelly-home | do* |
| 18:38.32 | FDFlock | Well, I'm using mainly (and sadly) a laptop, so I understand that. |
| 18:38.32 | devios | somiaj: gotcha, but im looking to do this across continents, not a local network |
| 18:38.37 | FDFlock | hates laptops. |
| 18:38.38 | lusotux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.39 | kevlarman | FDFlock: it's also not something i want to depend on |
| 18:38.54 | kevlarman | FDFlock: since intel doesn't make vt-d cpus with unlocked multipliers |
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| 18:39.15 | kevlarman | and my upgrade path is intel since amd has given up on high end desktop chips |
| 18:39.20 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 18:39.40 | kevlarman | somiaj: thing is, i want to build actual packages at some point |
| 18:39.52 | kevlarman | somiaj: the carbon-project debs are very ugly |
| 18:39.56 | FDFlock | AMD is just sad nowadays. (I speak as an ex-AMD user who loved their hardware) |
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| 18:40.10 | abrotman | points the hardware stuff to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:40.29 | somiaj | kevlarman: well they are following debian policy more so and spliting wine up into multiple debs. The cdbs builds a single deb for all of wine. |
| 18:40.35 | themill | kevlarman: in what way, specifically? |
| 18:40.49 | kevlarman | splitting it up is unreasonable |
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| 18:40.58 | FDFlock | Well, GTG, BB everyone (/me is away) |
| 18:41.08 | somiaj | kevlarman: remind me in a few days when I get home and turn my desktop on. I will give you the simple commands I use with the cdbs it is really almost as easy as './configure; make; make install' |
| 18:41.22 | kevlarman | somiaj: why is it policy to split it up? |
| 18:42.06 | somiaj | kevlarman: I cannot answer that, you could check the debian matianers guide. I just know they like to put libs and binaries in seperate packages |
| 18:42.15 | themill | kevlarman: should wine have dependencies on sane, pulse, oss, jack, gphoto, ...? |
| 18:42.21 | kevlarman | themill: nope |
| 18:42.29 | kevlarman | themill: it can run happily without those installed |
| 18:42.35 | kevlarman | all of those can be suggests |
| 18:43.01 | kevlarman | (a couple should probably be recommends, libgl comes to mind) |
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| 18:43.09 | abrotman | kevlarman: but the user MIGHT want them |
| 18:43.12 | devios | somiaj: know of anything similar that doesn't rely on UPnP? |
| 18:43.22 | kevlarman | abrotman: i mean wine dlopens everything |
| 18:43.40 | kevlarman | abrotman: you build against them, but they aren't needed at runtime unless you actually use them |
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| 18:43.53 | abrotman | so cdreate plugin packages .. |
| 18:43.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:44.09 | abrotman | whatever . i haven't used wine in ages .. buggy POS |
| 18:44.39 | somiaj | devios: I don't. |
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| 18:45.06 | devios | somiaj: ok thanks anyway :-) i could always set up a vpn i guess |
| 18:45.21 | kevlarman | abrotman: also it kind of makes sense to split the libraries and binaries when the libraris can be used without binaries, but that isn't true with wine |
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| 18:45.36 | themill | kevlarman: that would, by default, leave people with poorly set up packages. Until such things as conditional recommendations exist, splitting them makes more sense. |
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| 18:46.16 | somiaj | devios: maybe the mpd people know of something (they are for streaming audio, but maybe there is a similar method for streaming video) just a suggestion. |
| 18:46.33 | kevlarman | themill: how does splitting them up change things at all? |
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| 18:47.07 | devios | somiaj: mpd? |
| 18:47.25 | somiaj | devios: music player daemon -- its a package in debian, and a piece of software |
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| 18:48.42 | somiaj | devios: the suggestion was more people familar with mpd might also be familar with similar projects for video. |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | kevlarman: try to use gstreamer without the proper plugins .. PITA |
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| 18:50.52 | somiaj | devios: oh I just rembered about icecast (been years since I looked into that project) |
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| 18:51.28 | FDFlock | abrotman: Gstreamer serves no purpose, and is one of the (many) examples of wasted manpower. Gnome should have adopted mplayer if you ask me... |
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| 18:51.46 | FDFlock | (eg. gnome-mplayer, which is good) |
| 18:51.51 | somiaj | devios: nope apears icecast only does streaming audio too. |
| 18:52.00 | kevlarman | FDFlock: there is almost no overlap in the functionality of gstreamer and mplayer |
| 18:52.06 | lelu | hey guys…. i wish to set up a very basic SMTP server for localhost use only. Which would be the best service to use for this? |
| 18:52.28 | lelu | and before you ask, it has to be SMTP, sendmail is not an option as this is for an Actinic website install |
| 18:52.35 | devios | somiaj: gotcha |
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| 18:52.42 | FDFlock | kevlarman: what? both are, essentially, audio/video player/encoders |
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| 18:52.59 | FDFlock | CLI app or library does ot make much difference |
| 18:53.03 | FDFlock | *not |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | FDFlock: that isn't the answer to the problme or the point i was making |
| 18:53.18 | abrotman | FDFlock: but hey .. way to twist it to your needs! |
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| 18:53.39 | FDFlock | abrotman: Oh yeah, sorry, it was just my opinion. |
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| 18:53.51 | kevlarman | FDFlock: what about things that need a library |
| 18:53.51 | FDFlock | abrotman: I didn't imply otherwise! |
| 18:54.03 | abrotman | FDFlock: by your POV, we only need one window manager .. |
| 18:54.20 | kevlarman | FDFlock: also gstreamer abstracts audio apis |
| 18:54.32 | weise | hi guys |
| 18:55.03 | weise | is there a way to automatically fill options in a dialog started with apt-get install |
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| 18:55.24 | FDFlock | abrotman: No, WMs serve different needs. But, same as video-playing apps, WMs can use the same underlying infrastructure. |
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| 18:55.37 | weise | i know in can configure different interfaces but what i'd really like is a way of knowing all fields i'll be asked and give answers beforehand as parameters |
| 18:55.42 | jelly-home | kevlarman: but then again gstreamer is rather buggy for some common tasks, and vlc often works better |
| 18:55.44 | abrotman | FDFlock: but i think kevlarman pointed out you were mistaken .. |
| 18:55.50 | weise | kind of like debian-install with it's preseed file |
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| 18:55.58 | FDFlock | abrotman: We on't really need 1000 different backends. We might need 10 frontends |
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| 18:56.21 | jelly-home | FDFlock: mplayer doesn't play my .midi or .mod! |
| 18:56.26 | kevlarman | FDFlock: so how exactly does wine use mplayer to provide directshow codecs to games? |
| 18:56.35 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Good point about audio APIs, but mplayer supports most of them too |
| 18:56.49 | Justin | weise: debconf does that |
| 18:57.05 | jelly-home | FDFlock: mplayer is a single-threaded, kludgy bastard |
| 18:57.05 | FDFlock | kevlarman: See, that's why I'm telling you that WINE is a deadend! ;-) |
| 18:57.14 | ratatata | nu |
| 18:57.19 | abrotman | weise: debconf --set-selections IIRC |
| 18:57.22 | weise | would you happen to be able to point me to a resource on how to do that? |
| 18:57.28 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i guess that makes linux a dead end |
| 18:57.34 | abrotman | weise: man debconf ? |
| 18:57.35 | Justin | weise: debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections |
| 18:57.41 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I thught there were multithreaded patches? |
| 18:57.59 | abrotman | sorry, mistyped .. and they have man pages |
| 18:57.59 | weise | thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it :) |
| 18:58.04 | FDFlock | kevlarman: No, it make trying to emulate Windows a deaden. |
| 18:58.07 | FDFlock | *makes |
| 18:58.20 | kevlarman | FDFlock: well it's wine or windows for me |
| 18:58.29 | kevlarman | so you're telling me that linux is a dead end |
| 18:58.35 | FDFlock | kevlarman: the original is almost always better |
| 18:58.45 | FDFlock | sorry, just my viewpointy |
| 18:58.47 | FDFlock | *nt |
| 18:58.51 | jelly-home | kevlarman: he's telling you don't "really" need to do your work! |
| 18:59.04 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Oh come on. |
| 18:59.07 | jelly-home | it's a silly viewpoint |
| 18:59.26 | Dulak | Wine works well for me, It saves me from having to reboot to windows on a daily basis. |
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| 18:59.47 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Linux can survive just fine without superficial Windows compatibility and you know it |
| 19:00.06 | kevlarman | FDFlock: it runs some games better than windows does |
| 19:00.20 | kevlarman | that's not exactly superficial |
| 19:00.24 | FDFlock | kevlarman: True, I know it. Ever tried ET:QW? |
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| 19:00.31 | abrotman | moves *all* of the wine talk to #debian-offtopic .. it's gettina bit much |
| 19:00.34 | alex- | How can I prevent someone from breaking in into my system? |
| 19:00.34 | peter5 | I use all three options: wine, virtualbox+windows, native apps that do windows stuff (namely xfreerdp) |
| 19:00.36 | abrotman | thanks! |
| 19:00.37 | FDFlock | It had a NATIVE Linux version |
| 19:00.39 | kevlarman | abrotman: sorry |
| 19:00.40 | peter5 | for different things |
| 19:00.46 | FDFlock | abrotman: sorry |
| 19:01.24 | abrotman | thanks folks |
| 19:01.27 | somiaj | alex-: depends, what does your system run? If you aren't running any server/service you don't really have to worry about remote hackers. |
| 19:01.44 | kevlarman | alex-: short answer: don't run any servers, don't use bad passwords |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | replaces peter5 with peterS |
| 19:02.12 | peter5 | is he a very small shell script? |
| 19:02.50 | peterS | fine, fine |
| 19:02.51 | alex- | somiaj: dedicated server, debian, apache2, proftpd, openssh-server, that software |
| 19:03.20 | somiaj | ftp server is just asking for trouble, with openssh-server you will want to run something like fail2ban or denyhost |
| 19:03.22 | kevlarman | alex-: step 1) don't run proftpd |
| 19:03.30 | lusotux | alex-, grow a beard !!! :D |
| 19:03.38 | alex- | lusotux: already did |
| 19:03.42 | lusotux | :) |
| 19:03.43 | alex- | kevlarman: why not? |
| 19:03.54 | somiaj | there are various ways to try to secure apache2, but for the most part it is more dependent on the software you use to serve your webpage than the server itself. |
| 19:04.03 | kevlarman | alex-: ftpd's are asking for trouble in general |
| 19:04.05 | somiaj | alex-: anyone snooping the ftp port can get unencrypted usernames/passwords. |
| 19:04.12 | kevlarman | but proftpd is particularly bad iirc |
| 19:04.21 | alex- | Hmm |
| 19:04.24 | alex- | So |
| 19:04.26 | alex- | I should use SFTP ? |
| 19:04.36 | kevlarman | yes ssh is a good alternative |
| 19:04.38 | lusotux | alex-, give vsftpd a look |
| 19:04.39 | lusotux | :P |
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| 19:04.52 | lusotux | if you really need ftp for some reason |
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| 19:04.54 | kevlarman | somiaj: i tend to stick sshd on a high port and disable password logins |
| 19:05.04 | kevlarman | somiaj: fail2ban has annoying consequences at times |
| 19:05.06 | somiaj | alex-: you can use sftp over openssh. |
| 19:05.28 | alex- | kevlarman: annoying consequences? |
| 19:05.29 | somiaj | kevlarman: espcailly when it bans your home ip and locks you out of your own server...(: |
| 19:05.38 | alex- | somiaj: ever heard of whitelists? |
| 19:05.40 | somiaj | but with ssh key logins that isn't a big issue |
| 19:05.42 | kevlarman | alex-: what somiaj said |
| 19:05.49 | alex- | hmm |
| 19:05.52 | alex- | so |
| 19:05.55 | abrotman | peterS: :) |
| 19:05.58 | alex- | sftp and ssh over a higher port than 100 |
| 19:05.59 | somiaj | alex-: its mostly a configuration issue, but I would just use ssh key logins over passwords. |
| 19:06.07 | alex- | key and password logins |
| 19:06.09 | alex- | can I do both? |
| 19:06.20 | somiaj | alex-: of course you can, (: |
| 19:06.23 | kevlarman | alex-: passwords are guessable, rsa keys aren't |
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| 19:06.52 | alex- | kevlarman: how do those that rsa keys work? |
| 19:06.55 | alex- | -that |
| 19:07.37 | kevlarman | alex-: an rsa key has a public and private half |
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| 19:08.15 | FDFlock | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography |
| 19:08.20 | kevlarman | anyone with the public half can encrypt something, but only the private half can decrypt it |
| 19:08.42 | somiaj | alex-: instead of typing in a password you have a very long key (password) saved on the computer. So you need a password-file to authenticate |
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| 19:09.17 | kevlarman | and as long as P!=NP it should take on the order of "until the heat death of the universe" to figure out the private half based on the public one |
| 19:09.18 | somiaj | due to lenght it makes brute forcing extreammly unlikely, but if a machine with a key is compermised then you have the same issue as someone writing down their password. |
| 19:09.34 | alex- | somiaj: but i have multiple computers |
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| 19:09.38 | kevlarman | somiaj: that's why you always keep them passphrased |
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| 19:09.42 | FDFlock | alex-: Also even when using pub-key authentication, using a good passphrase is important. Don't leave it blank! |
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| 19:10.09 | alex- | Hmm |
| 19:10.24 | alex- | Is there any way I'm not blocked by using another pc? |
| 19:10.38 | alex- | e.g. if I want to login downstairs with another pc, it's possible with rsa keys? |
| 19:10.44 | kevlarman | alex-: you can copy the key to multiple machines |
| 19:10.50 | somiaj | kevlarman: one issue is lots of these policies of you have to change your password every 3 months, it has to be a minimum of so many digets, contain letters, symbols, numbers and not be a simple change of any privious passwords is great for security. Add the human into the picutre, they start writing their passwords down and now there is a new security hole. (: |
| 19:11.14 | kevlarman | or you can add each machine's key to authorized_keys |
| 19:11.18 | somiaj | alex-: I like the keys because I haven't had to type in a password to ssh into the multiple machines I've used in years. |
| 19:11.23 | Dulak | You can set up a key-agent so you only have to type the pass-phrase out once per session, instead of every time you connect somewhere, so it's much less annoying. |
| 19:11.35 | kevlarman | somiaj: yeah i really hate those weird requirements |
| 19:11.39 | FDFlock | somiaj: Heh, I know someone with their password written on a post-it and glued on their screen |
| 19:11.48 | alex- | Dulak: huh |
| 19:11.52 | alex- | Dulak: i don't follow you |
| 19:12.05 | kevlarman | somiaj: they always make me pick lower entropy passwords than i would otherwise |
| 19:12.07 | Dulak | pass-phrase being blank means if you are compromised, every machine you have access to is also compromised |
| 19:12.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: they are actually really good for security of large networks. THe issue is people having to write them down to rember what their current password is (kinda like how richard feynmann use to crack safes) |
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| 19:13.01 | FDFlock | Dulak: Well, if you are compromised and don't know it, a keylogger could capture the passphrase anyway. |
| 19:13.18 | kevlarman | somiaj: i mean there should be a better way to measure the entropy of passwords than "upper, lower, digits, symbols required" |
| 19:13.18 | Dulak | alex-: You load the key into a key-agent, it prompts you for the pass-phrase, then when you connect to other machines using that key, the agent forwards the key, rather than requiring you to type the pass-phrase out again and again. |
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| 19:13.53 | FDFlock | uses "pwgen -s" |
| 19:13.54 | kevlarman | somiaj: since even knowing the format i use for my passwords, a dictionary attack is far too much work |
| 19:14.29 | alex- | Hmm |
| 19:14.35 | somiaj | kevlarman: haha, yea gone of the days when RMS had everyone at berkly using blank passwords. :/ |
| 19:14.48 | alex- | Is there any way to do IP address based? |
| 19:14.56 | AimHere | Surely you mean MIT |
| 19:15.02 | alex- | e.g. only all IP's in holland? because I'll never be logging in from another country |
| 19:15.03 | FDFlock | somiaj: Wait, what?! Oo |
| 19:15.22 | somiaj | AimHere: Oh he was at MIT -- thought he was a part of the berkly croud. |
| 19:15.27 | somiaj | AimHere: then yes I mean MIT |
| 19:15.33 | FDFlock | alex-: Easy, if you know the IP blocks assigned to Holland. But do you? |
| 19:16.00 | somiaj | FDFlock: when passwords were first introduced into linux systems RMS thought they weren't needed so he got all of his fellow hackers at the time to use blank passwords in protest. |
| 19:16.14 | somiaj | FDFlock: s/linux/unix/ (since linux was not around tat that ime) |
| 19:16.17 | alex- | FDFlock: is there a list of them? |
| 19:16.21 | kevlarman | (between a 10 character password that contains symbols/numbers/etc, and a password that's >20 characters but no symbols, the latter is harder to brute force for all passwords humans can remember) |
| 19:16.30 | FDFlock | somiaj: Wow... that's... crazy |
| 19:16.41 | AimHere | It wasn't that crazy in the culture at the time |
| 19:17.00 | AimHere | The networks were smaller then, probably even local |
| 19:17.05 | FDFlock | alex-: I doubt it, unless you contact all ISPs of he country and ask them, and even then you can't be sure |
| 19:17.26 | FDFlock | *the |
| 19:17.26 | kevlarman | FDFlock: easier to find than you'd think |
| 19:17.34 | AimHere | RMS still has somewhat unusual notions of security. I think that GNU doesn't use the wheel group because RMS got pissed off at some wheel warring at MIT |
| 19:17.40 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i know one admin that iptabled off poland at one point :D |
| 19:17.48 | kevlarman | due to abuse |
| 19:18.07 | FDFlock | kevlarman: since all the IPv4 blocks have be assigned to regional ISPs (sometime in 2011), you are right |
| 19:18.13 | kevlarman | (and poland is a bunch of /23s and the like) |
| 19:18.19 | FDFlock | *have been |
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| 19:19.32 | abrotman | wonders how many times today he'll have to redirect FDFlock and kevlarman to #debian-offtopic ... |
| 19:19.33 | alex- | FDFlock: so that can't be a solution... |
| 19:19.55 | alex- | abrotman: you can count how many times :) |
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| 19:20.44 | OldParr | brasero says that one directory's son will have 7 father directory, also says it will not possily be readable by windows ... how do i burn that directory ? |
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| 19:21.34 | alex- | FDFlock: any other solutions? |
| 19:21.48 | alex- | It's not excluded but I don't think I will be logging in from another country |
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| 19:22.35 | kevlarman | alex-: if you want to secure ssh, the biggest thing you can do is disable password logins |
| 19:22.48 | alex- | kevlarman: isn't it more secure to do both? |
| 19:23.02 | kevlarman | alex-: um, no? |
| 19:23.04 | alex- | Are there any lists of things you can do to make your server more secure? |
| 19:23.08 | alex- | e.g. don't use proftpd |
| 19:23.13 | alex- | and put ssh on another port |
| 19:23.16 | alex- | don't use ftp in general |
| 19:23.18 | alex- | that stuff |
| 19:23.30 | FDFlock | alex-: kevlarman is right. And the next most important thing is NOt using the default port (22). |
| 19:23.32 | alex- | kevlarman: but how can I login from another pc then? That doesn't haves the keys |
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| 19:23.50 | kevlarman | alex-: then you need to give it keys |
| 19:23.54 | alex- | how? |
| 19:23.58 | kevlarman | copy them? |
| 19:24.05 | alex- | hmm |
| 19:24.09 | FDFlock | USB disk? :) |
| 19:24.11 | kevlarman | or generate new keys and add them to your user on the remote end |
| 19:24.13 | alex- | But this means I'll have to bring a usb stick to every pc? |
| 19:24.16 | alex- | also to my phone FDFlock ? |
| 19:24.26 | FDFlock | phone?!!? |
| 19:24.28 | alex- | yes |
| 19:24.44 | alex- | ConnectBot |
| 19:24.46 | alex- | SSH software |
| 19:25.07 | FDFlock | your phone normally isn't related at all to you PC, so I don't understand the question |
| 19:25.13 | alex- | I mean |
| 19:25.15 | alex- | if I'm not on my pc |
| 19:25.18 | alex- | but on my phone somewhere else |
| 19:25.22 | alex- | I need to login to SSH |
| 19:25.25 | alex- | Can my phone also do rsa keys? |
| 19:25.44 | kevlarman | alex-: most ssh clients support public key authentication |
| 19:25.58 | alex- | I don't really understand the difference |
| 19:26.05 | FDFlock | oh, you mean a mobile phone.If you have a smartphone there will probably be an SSH client or it |
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| 19:26.15 | FDFlock | *for it |
| 19:26.48 | Justin | alex-: forget keys. use port knocking and strong password. |
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| 19:27.01 | alex- | port knocking? |
| 19:27.09 | OldParr | brasero says that one directory's son will have 7 father directory, also says it will not possily be readable by windows ... how do i burn that directory ? |
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| 19:27.13 | kevlarman | Justin: don't suggest security through obscurity :( |
| 19:27.34 | FDFlock | port knocking isVERY effective, but definitely overkill and had to setup. |
| 19:27.40 | alex- | what is it? |
| 19:27.41 | Justin | port knocking is not hard to setup |
| 19:27.45 | emerica | an a ssh key is not obscure? |
| 19:28.01 | Lint | OldParr, it's an old limitation |
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| 19:28.15 | kevlarman | emerica: nope |
| 19:28.18 | Lint | OldParr, be sure to include juliet filesystem |
| 19:28.27 | FDFlock | emerica: Well, an SSH key can't be retrieved by good-old packet sniffing, but port knocking can. |
| 19:28.45 | FDFlock | *I mean port sequence |
| 19:28.47 | emerica | thats a good point |
| 19:28.59 | kevlarman | emerica: don't confuse secrets with security through obscurity |
| 19:29.12 | emerica | he mentioned using a secret |
| 19:29.18 | emerica | after a knock |
| 19:29.19 | Justin | FDFlock: a) that is not actually relevant to anyone, and b) their are cryptographically secure port knocking clients |
| 19:29.26 | Justin | er, there as well |
| 19:29.29 | OldParr | Lint: juliet .. let me se |
| 19:30.14 | Justin | if you have the extremely unlikely situation of people sniffing your port knocking sequence then the worst case is that they can now connect to the services that it is protecting |
| 19:30.23 | FDFlock | Justin: Wait, what? So my suggetions (pub-key and non-default port) are irrelevant while yours (port-knocking for god's sake!) aren't?! |
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| 19:30.53 | emerica | I think it might comedown to preference and usecase ;) |
| 19:30.57 | kevlarman | Justin: rsa is already effectively impossible to guess if P!=NP and your rng isn't weak |
| 19:31.09 | Justin | FDFlock: ssh keys are really no more secure than a strong password, and insecure keys often end up being a liability |
| 19:31.09 | FDFlock | Justin: What kevlarman said. |
| 19:31.40 | Justin | *cough* http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576 |
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| 19:31.59 | kevlarman | Justin: it's ok my keys weren't generated on a debian system :D |
| 19:32.13 | Justin | when that happened I had a number of servers with vulnerable keys sitting on the internet.. behind a port knocking daemon |
| 19:32.21 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Haha, good point! |
| 19:32.24 | Justin | my "security through obscurity" prevented them from being compromised |
| 19:32.36 | OldParr | OldParr:brasero has not options i can not see nothing to configure in the program , where is it ? |
| 19:32.40 | karlpinc | Justin: Port knocking is insecure, unless you cryptographically secure it, at which point the port knocking part becomes superfluous. |
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| 19:32.55 | alex- | What is a secure port? |
| 19:32.57 | alex- | for ssh |
| 19:33.01 | alex- | just grab a random one? |
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| 19:33.05 | Justin | karlpinc: really? port knocking is insecure to protect you from a worm scanning the entire internet for vulnerable ssh servers? |
| 19:33.20 | kevlarman | alex-: if you have keys or strong passwords it doesn't matter |
| 19:33.22 | jelly-home | alex-: and make sure that random one isn't used by some other common tcp service |
| 19:33.23 | Justin | karlpinc: "port knocking is insecure" == "i don't understand what problem port knocking solves" |
| 19:33.26 | karlpinc | Justin: Yes. May as well just run on a random port. |
| 19:33.30 | alex- | jelly-home: where can I check? |
| 19:33.37 | jelly-home | kevlarman: logs being fille is annoying |
| 19:33.38 | kevlarman | alex-: the reason to move it off 22 is to keep all the scans out of your logs |
| 19:33.44 | karlpinc | alex-: /etc/services |
| 19:33.44 | DanDare | alex-, any port you choose I think. I personally dont use 21 but something else |
| 19:33.48 | alex- | 33? |
| 19:33.54 | DanDare | i use it on port 49001 :p |
| 19:33.56 | jelly-home | alex-: 20022 |
| 19:33.58 | Justin | karlpinc: I do that as well, but I don't trust that to actually prevent anything. I trust port knocking |
| 19:34.00 | jelly-home | 64738 ! |
| 19:34.02 | kevlarman | alex-: most people put it above 1000 |
| 19:34.07 | alex- | why above 1000? |
| 19:34.24 | Justin | changing the port is (very useful) security by obscurity. port knocking is real security |
| 19:34.25 | OldParr | how do i set joliet when using brasero ? |
| 19:34.30 | jelly-home | alex-: many ports below 1024 are reserved |
| 19:34.57 | alex- | hmm |
| 19:34.59 | kevlarman | alex-: it's impractical to portscan the higher ports without drawing attention |
| 19:35.00 | alex- | my gameservers use port 22003 |
| 19:35.13 | alex- | kevlarman: impractical |
| 19:35.15 | alex- | ? |
| 19:35.16 | DanDare | security trough obscurity is nothing more nothing less than just another layer of security |
| 19:35.21 | alex- | and why won't you draw attention? |
| 19:35.31 | emerica | If im right a postscanner wont see your open ssh port because the know hasnt let it become open, thus scanners and kiddies may be twarted easier, just putting up on a higher random port still leaves it there for punishment. |
| 19:35.40 | Justin | gives DanDare a cookie |
| 19:35.42 | emerica | knock* |
| 19:35.49 | D-Boy | On a dedicated server almost all commands give input/output error, even smartctl, any chance to repair that or at least retrieve a 'list of files on the server' to have an idea what was lost ? |
| 19:35.56 | Justin | emerica: exactly |
| 19:36.13 | emerica | kk :) |
| 19:36.26 | kevlarman | D-Boy: make sure the hard drive is still plugged in :P |
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| 19:36.38 | DanDare | so whats best ? just leave it at port 22 ? |
| 19:36.40 | alex- | kevlarman: he can't |
| 19:36.50 | DanDare | err *21 |
| 19:36.56 | D-Boy | kevlarman it is otherwise ssh won't open |
| 19:36.58 | alex- | Is it a good idea to simply drop all incoming pings to ports that aren't mapped? |
| 19:37.00 | kevlarman | (i seriously had that happen to me, server kept "running" due to the kernel's buffers caching the binaries) |
| 19:37.17 | petemc | D-Boy: does dmesg work? |
| 19:37.31 | D-Boy | petemc yes : let met pastbin it |
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| 19:37.54 | kevlarman | alex-: nack and silence are equally obvious |
| 19:38.09 | alex- | why? |
| 19:38.20 | alex- | It can be good that the attacker thinks the server is offline |
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| 19:38.25 | alex- | Or the hostname doesn't exists or something |
| 19:38.27 | alex- | Just to get no response |
| 19:38.35 | karlpinc | DanDare: I prefer to redirect ssh auth failures to a honeypot. YMMV. |
| 19:38.39 | DanDare | Justin: the best security option: leave your box disconnected from the network. this is the most effective way |
| 19:38.59 | Justin | DanDare: true :) hard to run a network that way though :) |
| 19:39.31 | alex- | karlpinc: honeypot? |
| 19:39.44 | alex- | kevlarman: why is it obvious? |
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| 19:39.50 | karlpinc | !tell alex- about honeypot |
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| 19:40.09 | alex- | Hmm |
| 19:40.11 | alex- | Is it hard to set it up? |
| 19:40.12 | kevlarman | alex-: because if you have an httpd on the server it's obviously up |
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| 19:40.35 | alex- | kevlarman: there you have a point |
| 19:40.44 | D-Boy | petemc : dmesg output ==> http://pastebin.com/Srq9mKp2 |
| 19:40.47 | alex- | My new server will run everything in KVM VPS'es |
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| 19:41.19 | alex- | Is it a good idea to lock everything down? Only allow panel access (for managing the VPS instances) and only allow ssh access? |
| 19:42.05 | alex- | (on the host) |
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| 19:43.17 | alex- | karlpinc: is it hard to setup a honeypot? |
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| 19:43.55 | DanDare | alex-, a good option is also to block root SSH access |
| 19:44.12 | alex- | DanDare: I do this by default |
| 19:44.15 | alex- | I use sudo or su - |
| 19:44.24 | petemc | D-Boy: looks like hardware problems |
| 19:44.27 | alex- | The only problem with this is that it's hard to do SFTP with su - or sudo |
| 19:44.33 | alex- | I didn't figured out how to do this |
| 19:45.17 | karlpinc | alex-: Depends on what you mean by hard. On openbsd it's pretty easy. On linux you could use swatch or perhaps fail-to-ban -- I've not looked hard at it. Not that hard, but something else to do. |
| 19:45.23 | D-Boy | petemc : i think i guess it ^^, but is there any manipulation i can try to repair/retrieve files or file list from this disk ? |
| 19:45.27 | DanDare | alex-, im not sure whats the best. I usually set iptables blocking everything but DNS then start adding rules to allow whats needed. also not keeping UP services you actually not using |
| 19:46.17 | karlpinc | alex-: You do sftp to root using keys and just disable passwords for root. |
| 19:46.49 | alex- | karlpinc: isn't there any other solution? |
| 19:46.54 | alex- | Because I prefer to login to my own account |
| 19:47.18 | karlpinc | alex-: For sftp. You can disable passwords just for root. "man sshd_config" |
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| 19:47.32 | alex- | Yes, but I don't that |
| 19:47.34 | alex- | :P |
| 19:47.53 | alex- | Hmm, I need some ports for my gameservers, how can I be sure that they will be added to the firewall automaticly? |
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| 19:48.09 | karlpinc | D-Boy: You dd the drive to another drive, then try to recover the filesystem with fsck. |
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| 19:49.13 | DanDare | alex-, ports are randomly created ? If you know what these ports are you just add iptables rules for them |
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| 19:49.40 | D-Boy | karlpinc : it's a dedicated server (a cheap one) no secondary disk, i'll see it they can plug another one but i'm afraid they won't |
| 19:49.57 | alex- | DanDare: no, i mean, I have a script for my servers to set them up |
| 19:50.10 | alex- | DanDare: They start on port 22000 |
| 19:50.18 | alex- | and end at port 22100 |
| 19:50.24 | alex- | Do I have to open the whole range of ports? |
| 19:50.28 | DanDare | alex-, so add iptables rules permitting access on the ranges youre using |
| 19:50.38 | karlpinc | D-Boy: Backups. Can't live without them. ;-| |
| 19:50.40 | alex- | Or can I create a script that opens the port in the firewall? |
| 19:50.40 | CissWit | alex-: you can do something like : scp bla youruser@yourserver:/tmp/bla; ssh -t youruser@yourserver 'sudo /tmp/bla /path/to/file; rm /tmp/bla' |
| 19:50.45 | DanDare | alex-, yes |
| 19:51.21 | CissWit | using keys help there, as you don't have to retype your password three time, but only once for sudo |
| 19:52.09 | D-Boy | karlpinc : nothing important on that server, but i like to have at least a file list of those files, so i can recover them from home |
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| 19:53.11 | alex- | CissWit: what does that command do? |
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| 19:53.40 | CissWit | alex-: it transfers the file bla in /tmp/bla in the remote server, and the sudo to copy it wherever you like and rm it from /tmp |
| 19:53.49 | CissWit | then* |
| 19:54.00 | alex- | ehh? |
| 19:54.02 | alex- | remote sever? |
| 19:54.04 | alex- | server * |
| 19:54.06 | alex- | why that? |
| 19:54.14 | CissWit | you were talking about a sudo sftp |
| 19:54.17 | alex- | Yes |
| 19:54.26 | alex- | Oh you mean that command on the client |
| 19:54.32 | CissWit | yes |
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| 19:55.24 | alex- | I'm using windows |
| 19:55.26 | alex- | lol |
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| 19:56.16 | FDFlock | PuTTY is the best SSH client for Windows and has an SFTP component, I think... |
| 19:56.24 | FDFlock | I haven't used the latter |
| 19:56.28 | CissWit | use cygwin, one can't really work on windows :) |
| 19:56.46 | CissWit | alex-: or you can set up an scp-only environnement for root |
| 19:56.54 | CissWit | you allow ssh, but only for scp |
| 19:57.15 | alex- | Isn't SFTP more secure than SCP? |
| 19:57.20 | FDFlock | CissWit: interesting that! |
| 19:57.22 | jelly-home | or allow only sftp, which is both simpler and less prone to problems |
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| 19:57.32 | FDFlock | alex-: they're the same |
| 19:57.40 | Todd | sftp is scp :/ |
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| 19:57.45 | jelly-home | FDFlock: they're empathically not the same. |
| 19:57.48 | alex- | Todd: eh |
| 19:57.53 | alex- | Todd: not really afaik |
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| 19:58.15 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Well, they are the same IN TERMS OF SECURITY, which was his question |
| 19:58.16 | CissWit | yeah, sftp-only if you like |
| 19:58.16 | Todd | ah.. yeah you're right |
| 19:58.30 | FDFlock | as file tranfer ptotocols built on top of SSH |
| 19:58.36 | Todd | some versions of scp use the sftp protocol apparently which is probably why I was confused |
| 19:58.39 | Todd | <3 wikipedia |
| 19:58.55 | jelly-home | FDFlock: scp is shell + a silly wrapper, sftp is a different subsystem, no login shell is used, and scponly shell replacements have historically been quite buggy and could be escaped from |
| 19:59.21 | jelly-home | in short, sftp is better |
| 19:59.22 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Thanks for that info. |
| 19:59.37 | kevlarman | jelly-home: how about authorized_keys command= tricks? |
| 19:59.37 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Better, but not more secure, right? |
| 20:00.28 | jelly-home | FDFlock: _and_ more secure if you're trying to use scponly or that other similar shell |
| 20:01.03 | FDFlock | ok, I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 20:01.03 | CissWit | actually when i say scp-only i meant sftp only. But as i still use scp to transfer, i stil call it scp, which is wrong, i agree. |
| 20:01.03 | jelly-home | kevlarman: no idea, haven't investigated those |
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| 20:01.03 | FDFlock | wonders about the security of SSHFS |
| 20:01.03 | mirak | hi |
| 20:01.37 | jelly-home | CissWit: I guess you might be using WinSCP (which does sftp these days, and which my employer tells customers to use) |
| 20:02.05 | FDFlock | is that free? |
| 20:02.08 | jelly-home | openssh's scp really does scp instead. |
| 20:02.14 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 20:02.18 | mirak | does setting a /dev/sda device as read only for root ensure that the device will not be writtable at all for tools like fdisk ? |
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| 20:02.39 | FDFlock | mirak: No |
| 20:02.43 | jelly-home | FDFlock: sshfs is a fancy sftp client, the security should not be affected |
| 20:02.44 | kyconquers | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.54 | mirak | FDFlock, so there is no way to set a drive as not writtable at all ? |
| 20:03.08 | themill | kyconquers: "adduser yourusername sudo" then log out and log back in |
| 20:03.15 | mirak | FDFlock, i have some maintenance to do, and i want to be 100% sure i will not write |
| 20:03.24 | kyconquers | thanks themill |
| 20:03.25 | FDFlock | mirak: I think there was a way, but more complicated than changing the permissions of /dev/sd* |
| 20:03.27 | mirak | at all |
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| 20:05.16 | jelly-home | mirak: I don't think there's a 100% safe software way. From a linux userspace point, there's blockdev --setro, but I've never used it and really have no idea what it does |
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| 20:05.37 | FDFlock | mirak: You can of course mount with the "-o ro" flag, which is recommended, but that won't prevent lower-level utilities from having access to the block device |
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| 20:06.11 | mirak | FDFlock, i believed I could do that with VirtualBox eventually. because you can bind a hardware drive to a virtualdevice. but i don't an option. maybe i should check the command tool that help to create suck disks |
| 20:06.18 | FDFlock | jelly-home: blockdev --setro was what I had in mind, I think it didn't really work for me bu don't remember the reason |
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| 20:06.31 | mirak | FDFlock, i am really loocking for block level |
| 20:06.43 | FDFlock | it's been 2 years |
| 20:06.46 | jelly-home | mirak: hardware solutions are probably more reliable http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Write_Blockers |
| 20:07.13 | FDFlock | mirak: Well, you can take an image of everything, if possible |
| 20:07.30 | FDFlock | mirak: And even work on te image |
| 20:07.39 | FDFlock | Not always possible obviously |
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| 20:08.09 | mirak | FDFlock, i will buy new drives, and copy the device to images. my hard drive seems to start to fail |
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| 20:08.39 | FDFlock | mirak: Ouch! That's a problem Avoid using it meanwhile |
| 20:09.00 | FDFlock | mirak: Also, in that case I'd take 2 images and I would work on the image |
| 20:09.18 | jelly-home | mirak: also: sysrq-U action disables any further writes until reboot, that's kernel-level and there is no undoing it |
| 20:09.21 | FDFlock | mirak: Also, keep the drive cool. |
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| 20:10.00 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Interesting, I didn't think of SysRQ |
| 20:10.10 | mirak | FDFlock, in fact i have mdraid on the 2 drives, so if both are failing i am not lucky |
| 20:10.28 | jelly-home | !tell mirak -about sysrq |
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| 20:11.21 | FDFlock | is mdraid the software RAID or the fakeRAID driver? |
| 20:11.25 | FDFlock | is comfusing it with dmraid |
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| 20:11.39 | jelly-home | FDFlock: /msg dpkg md |
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| 20:11.55 | FDFlock | *nf |
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| 20:12.56 | FDFlock | oh, so md is "the good one" |
| 20:13.46 | lapsusbrutus | howdy, got some problems with my nas: http://pastebin.com/t1qpXGfu I suspect that its the type of disks that when one error found it goes into error recovery mode or something stopping the whole raid. Its not a disk tuned for being in a raid. Am I right? and is there a way to fix this without changing the disk? |
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| 20:15.09 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: UDMA/133 ?! |
| 20:15.19 | lapsusbrutus | FDFlock: no idea :) |
| 20:15.35 | FDFlock | is it an IDE drive? or SATA? |
| 20:15.43 | lapsusbrutus | sata |
| 20:15.46 | lapsusbrutus | 1t |
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| 20:16.28 | FDFlock | no idea :( |
| 20:16.49 | FDFlock | but I'd try a new SATA cable just in case |
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| 20:17.26 | lapsusbrutus | havent done anything strange. installed, all ok, setup raid during installation. configured nfs and thats all basicly :) |
| 20:17.47 | FDFlock | I've seen similar errors due to a bad cable |
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| 20:18.03 | FDFlock | But of course it might be another thing entirelly |
| 20:18.17 | FDFlock | *ely |
| 20:18.18 | zitter | hi, who's user that runs Apache? www-data, right? |
| 20:18.32 | alex- | zitter: yes |
| 20:18.34 | FDFlock | zitter: yes |
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| 20:19.00 | lapsusbrutus | FDFlock: Can disks that are not made for raid, screw up things when theres a read error or something? when this appears, server becomes extremely sluggish for a long time |
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| 20:20.12 | lapsusbrutus | FDFlock: Ill try to see if changing the cable fixes it. or the disk if that doesnt fix it.. Possible that hdparm or something can help? |
| 20:20.32 | zitter | so, when I want to create a fle inside a dir, is like www-data is doing that. Why it doesn't create file, if all dirs/files are 775 staff.myUser and www-data is in staff group? |
| 20:20.50 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: I'd say it's not very probable. The reason some disks have a (ridiculously expensive) RAID edition is because their firmware is programmed for better efficiency with hardware RAID controllers. |
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| 20:21.42 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: More correctly, see this link: http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1397/~/difference-between-desktop-edition-and-raid-%28enterprise%29-edition-drives |
| 20:22.40 | lapsusbrutus | ohh ok. I thought that was because they dont go into fail safe mode for seconds when there is a read error. like the disks made for cameras. and that they go through some testing first. |
| 20:22.56 | lapsusbrutus | thanks, Ill look at that :) |
| 20:23.38 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-Limited_Error_Recovery |
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| 20:24.40 | FDFlock | "I thought that was because they dont go into fail safe mode for seconds when there is a read error." --> Yeah, that's actually more correct than what I initially said. Sorry. |
| 20:24.56 | D-Boy | how to get the structure of a folder ? (like the tree command on MS-DOS) ? |
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| 20:25.56 | FDFlock | D-Boy: Something like babobab? (a Gnome GUI utility) |
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| 20:26.23 | FDFlock | D-Boy: * "baobab" |
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| 20:26.58 | petemc | D-Boy: apt-get install tree |
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| 20:28.51 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: I wouldn't pay extra fo a RAID edition disk, especially with Linux software RAID which seems free of such problems (according to Wikipedia you might want to extend the timeout, though). |
| 20:29.11 | mirak | FDFlock, i think virtualbox can do what i need. I can also create a immutable disk, so i can write on the device i see in the guest, but changes are stored in a separate file |
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| 20:30.36 | lapsusbrutus | anyone tweaked TLER on hds with linux? :) |
| 20:31.00 | FDFlock | mirak: I see. I don't know because I prefer other virtualisation solutions. Wouldn't a liveCD (configured NOT to mount any disks) be faster? |
| 20:31.13 | FDFlock | mirak: faster=better in your case |
| 20:31.40 | lapsusbrutus | Thanks FDFlock :) I might set read to a sec or two, and write no 0. That seems logical :) If I manage to find out how ofcourse.. |
| 20:31.41 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: I assume you saw this? --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-Limited_Error_Recovery#Software_Raid |
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| 20:32.08 | lapsusbrutus | yep:) |
| 20:32.09 | mirak | FDFlock, with hardwaer virtualisation it doesn't change. the problem also is that my computer runs windows mostly, and that the radeon fan is running to the max on my linux right now |
| 20:32.26 | mirak | FDFlock, in fact i run a live CD in virtualbox |
| 20:32.34 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: But I'm convinced that it has nothing to do with your problem. |
| 20:33.20 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: The problem seems related to the disk interface, not an internal error, I think. (but I'm not sure) |
| 20:33.49 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: What about SMART? |
| 20:33.57 | FDFlock | mirak: Same, what about SMART? |
| 20:34.05 | FDFlock | smartmontools |
| 20:34.30 | lapsusbrutus | hmm smart, could be, thanks |
| 20:34.43 | FDFlock | mirak: ATi on Linux? Good luck, you'll need it! |
| 20:34.52 | D-Boy | petemc : So obvious... thx ! |
| 20:35.10 | D-Boy | FDFlock : i don't know that one, gui-less ? |
| 20:35.11 | mirak | FDFlock, i ran a full long test already. the morning the computer was crashed. i don't know why, and smart said the test was fully done on the drive and ok |
| 20:35.26 | mirak | FDFlock, that's why i don't use linux on this computer |
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| 20:36.30 | FDFlock | D-Boy: It's a nice graphical utility, installed by default with the desktop... http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-usage.html#baobab-folderscan |
| 20:37.14 | FDFlock | mirak: Well, if it's a hardware failure the OS obviously does not matter at all. |
| 20:37.38 | D-Boy | FDFlock : okey, i'll look forward it |
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| 20:38.27 | mirak | FDFlock, it's unclear. linux doesn't see the GPT partition table on one for the drive. However windows see it on both. I really don't understand. |
| 20:38.37 | mirak | on of the drives |
| 20:39.02 | OldParr | why brasero burns media in a way that when opened in windows all filenames are truncated and in uppercase ? |
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| 20:39.28 | phogg | OldParr: windows probably doesn't understand rock ridge. Tell brasero to use joliet extensions as well |
| 20:40.06 | peterS | yeah, this is true of any ISO mastering software - it'll support Rock Ridge and Joliet extensions, for Unix and Windows respectively, and they might not both be on by default |
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| 20:40.43 | phogg | which is silly, since it doesn't hurt much to have extensions on and the people who care know how to turn them off |
| 20:41.03 | peterS | agreed, it does seem like both RR and Joliet are reasonable defaults |
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| 20:41.09 | FDFlock | mirak: Linux has excellent support for GPT (well, better than Windows at least) but nothing is perfect. See this nicce article and the others from the same author: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html |
| 20:41.12 | OldParr | phogg: how do i tell that to brasero? |
| 20:41.16 | FDFlock | *nice |
| 20:41.23 | phogg | and the other one that classic MacOS likes, too |
| 20:41.36 | phogg | OldParr: never used it, couldn't tell you. Try its preferences? |
| 20:41.46 | peterS | OldParr: if there's some place to type 'mkisofs' or 'genisoimage' options, add -J to whatever is there |
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| 20:42.05 | FDFlock | OldParr: You can also try good-old K3B |
| 20:42.15 | peterS | (I haven't used brasero, but if it uses mkisofs/genisoimage as a backend, it should have a place to specify such options) |
| 20:43.14 | mirak | FDFlock, right now all i want is save my pictures, than i can fvck the disk |
| 20:43.18 | FDFlock | OldParr: Also, you can enable UDF, which is a good idea. |
| 20:43.20 | mirak | then |
| 20:43.34 | FDFlock | OldParr: UDF can be combined with iso9660 or not. |
| 20:43.55 | phogg | is UDF properly supported for CDs under Windows? |
| 20:44.03 | mirak | FDFlock, i think i read GPT stores the partition table on more than one place right ? |
| 20:44.05 | peterS | I dunno, does UDF really have any benefits for a disc that is not rewritable and is not larger than 4 GB? |
| 20:44.09 | OldParr | FDFlock: where does brasero has to be configured ? |
| 20:44.20 | phogg | peterS: unicode? |
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| 20:44.29 | peterS | phogg: that's what Joliet is for |
| 20:44.30 | FDFlock | phogg: No idea, I assume it is (because it was once used for packet-writting, right?) |
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| 20:45.01 | FDFlock | mirak: Read that series of articles, he knows much better than me :) |
| 20:45.09 | mirak | k |
| 20:45.10 | peterS | back in the Windows NT days, you had to install a third-party driver to get UDF support. probably not still true though (: |
| 20:45.23 | phogg | peterS: seems simpler to say "Use UDF" then "Use iso plus a couple of extensions" |
| 20:45.31 | peterS | (yes, I know we're still in the Windows NT days, I mean NT4) |
| 20:45.31 | OldParr | how do yoiu configure brasero ? |
| 20:45.35 | FDFlock | OldParr: I don't use Brasero, sorry |
| 20:45.43 | phogg | peterS: as of XP, IIRC, UDF is one of the only 3 filesystems Windows understands. |
| 20:46.13 | phogg | peterS: there was a guy who advocated it for regular disks, for compatibility. This was before ntfs write support was safe in Linux |
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| 20:46.37 | peterS | UDF was considered more featureful / portable than fat32? |
| 20:46.43 | phogg | OldParr: most apps have a Settings or Tools menu, or a Preferences under the Edit menu |
| 20:46.44 | FDFlock | phogg: Ha! TFor hard disks? hat's crazy! |
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| 20:46.49 | FDFlock | But I like it :P |
| 20:46.51 | phogg | peterS: supports bigger volumes |
| 20:47.13 | peterS | phogg: fun. whereas fat32 supports much bigger volumes than iso9660.... |
| 20:47.21 | OldParr | phogg: brasero has not settings or tools menu |
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| 20:47.36 | FDFlock | phogg: Well, anything is better than FAT, so... |
| 20:47.37 | phogg | supposes he'll have to install brasero to settle this |
| 20:47.55 | FDFlock | has it installed but can't find the settings |
| 20:47.57 | peterS | I had a look at http://projects.gnome.org/brasero/screenshots.html but it's not very informative |
| 20:48.00 | phogg | hah, wow. Lots of depends. |
| 20:48.09 | peterS | phogg: yeah, welcome to the world of gnome apps (: |
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| 20:48.23 | guardian | hi |
| 20:48.30 | phogg | uh, I think maybe I won't install it after all |
| 20:48.37 | guardian | isn't php 5.4 supposed to have entered squeeze-backports? does someone know? |
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| 20:48.48 | dvs | ,versions php |
| 20:48.50 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 20:48.57 | dvs | ,versions php5 |
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| 20:48.59 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.4.0-3; wheezy: 5.4.0-3 |
| 20:49.26 | OldParr | FDFlock: is rare it as no optios of configuring dialog box |
| 20:49.33 | peterS | yeah I don't see a php5 in squeeze-backports |
| 20:49.35 | guardian | http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2012/03/msg00096.html |
| 20:50.00 | guardian | says "PHP packaging team has uploaded (now fixed) PHP 5.4 version to backports" |
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| 20:50.42 | peterS | dunno. neither packages.debian.org nor rmadison seems to know about it |
| 20:50.55 | lapsusbrutus | FDFlock: my fstab looked like that: 192.168.1.32:/storage /storage1 nfs user,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=5 0 0 hoping that using defaults will fix things, but I guess not |
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| 20:51.18 | FDFlock | Even gconf-editor does not help with Brasero! Typical Gnome... |
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| 20:51.49 | FDFlock | lapsusbrutus: That line is about NFS, it has nothing to do with your RAID. |
| 20:52.19 | FDFlock | OldParr: Switch to a decent writting app, please... do yourself a favor and install k3b |
| 20:52.30 | FDFlock | (sry for the typos) |
| 20:52.41 | lapsusbrutus | true.. hmm |
| 20:52.47 | FDFlock | I have to go, good luck all of you... |
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| 20:52.52 | FDFlock | is away |
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| 20:53.00 | OldParr | FDFlock: i'd like switch to K3b but my machine does not runs Kde |
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| 20:53.04 | dvs | holds FDFlock |
| 20:53.08 | lapsusbrutus | use vim :) |
| 20:53.14 | FDFlock | dvs: ? |
| 20:53.15 | OldParr | it does not logs to Kde |
| 20:53.24 | lapsusbrutus | vim kicks butt |
| 20:53.26 | dvs | FDFlock: I thought you were away. ;-) |
| 20:53.34 | FDFlock | OldParr: You can still use it even without kde |
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| 20:54.01 | peterS | OldParr: for simple uses, 'genisoimage' is not hard to learn how to use by hand. for example: genisoimage -o image.iso -R -J /dir/full/of/files |
| 20:54.03 | FDFlock | dvs: Well, I never close my IRC client since it runs remotely on my server |
| 20:54.09 | JeremyH | I'm trying to setup drupal on debian, which requires php has extension-which is supposedly included in php5-common, but apparently isn't being recognized. I tried building php into a .deb but when it ran the ./configure I got: dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 |
| 20:54.10 | dvs | ah |
| 20:54.12 | JeremyH | any ideas? |
| 20:54.21 | JeremyH | hash extension* |
| 20:54.23 | peterS | OldParr: burning 'image.iso' to disk is similarly not hard, with tools like wodim: 'wodim image.iso' |
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| 20:55.12 | peterS | OldParr: there was a time when you needed some deep knowledge of arcane flags to make this stuff work - but at least for simple uses ('make an iso of such-and-such directory, and burn it to the default CD writer'), that's pretty much past. |
| 20:55.16 | lapsusbrutus | OldParr: I use vim for everything. very nice editor! when you get used to it, youll probably never want anything else |
| 20:55.32 | phogg | there was a time when Xcdroast was friendlier than the command line way |
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| 20:56.33 | phogg | wow, so brasero really has no options |
| 20:56.56 | peterS | hmmm, I did swap genisoimage '-r' and '-R' in my head. it is actually -r that you usually want, not -R. using the wrong one is pretty harmless, though. |
| 20:57.24 | OldParr | lapsusbrutus: vim ! |
| 20:57.34 | rozz | I'm running debian stable and use java everyday to write some programs. Java applets in chrome, however, are not working. Could someone advise me as to what I should do? |
| 20:57.37 | phogg | why is it so hard to make burning programs? 95% of UIs I've seen for it are horribly broken |
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| 20:58.02 | peterS | my typical use of wodim is actually 'wodim -v -eject filename.iso' but neither the -v nor the -eject are really very important. (verbose output, and eject the disc after burning) |
| 20:58.05 | OldParr | wodim --burn |
| 20:58.14 | phogg | rozz: chrome or chromium-browser? |
| 20:58.39 | phogg | peterS: -eject is important for the impatient |
| 20:58.55 | phogg | otherwise there's a risk of premature hitting of the eject button |
| 20:59.00 | peterS | phogg: indeed, that's why I use it (: but we're not really using the same definition of 'important' here (: |
| 20:59.00 | rozz | phogg: What is the difference? |
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| 21:00.15 | OldParr | peterS: can i burn a directory instead of an iso image with wodim ? |
| 21:00.18 | rking | I'm in an interesting situation. I have a new computer that is running from a sid HDD from about 1 year ago. I need to download the wireless drivers + wireless-tools for it so I can get going and update. How do I know which package versions to get? |
| 21:00.26 | kyconquers | make install |
| 21:00.43 | peterS | OldParr: I don't think so, I think you have to create an image explicitly. but as I said earlier, that's not exactly hard: genisoimage -o filename.iso -r -J path/to/dir |
| 21:01.10 | phogg | rozz: chrome is a Google product which is downloaded and installed from Google. It is not open source. chromium-browser is a package in Debian's repositories and is open source. They are based on the same codebase, but chrome is somewhat modified. |
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| 21:01.25 | OldParr | peterS: the wodim thing is getting interesting |
| 21:01.57 | peterS | OldParr: I do note that if you don't want to run wodim as root, you need to add yourself to the 'cdrom' group: adduser yourusername cdrom (and logout/login for it to take effect) |
| 21:01.59 | rking | I guess I'll grab sid's current packages then track through the deps if it needs them. |
| 21:02.20 | peterS | so that wodim has permission to send those commands to the CDRW drive |
| 21:02.42 | peterS | well, or it's possible that gnome takes care of the permissions stuff using consolekit or something |
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| 21:02.55 | peterS | I don't use gnome so I don't know that stuff |
| 21:03.08 | OldParr | peterS: wodim seems ok , i prefer to run it as root |
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| 21:03.45 | OldParr | wodim --backup |
| 21:05.38 | phogg | anyone want to name some GUI burning apps for me? I've looked at xfburn brasero and k3b so far. It seems like there aren't many more current ones. |
| 21:06.22 | peterS | phogg: 'apt-cache rdepends wodim' gives a pretty impressive list |
| 21:06.34 | phogg | peterS: thanks, that's a good approacg |
| 21:07.04 | peterS | of course those aren't _all_ gui burner programs... but it's a starting point |
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| 21:08.48 | OldParr | does mp3burn is for music only ? |
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| 21:08.59 | phogg | I'm not sure but it looks that way |
| 21:09.02 | peterS | how do i ran apt-cache show |
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| 21:09.24 | Udoblunt | phogg: I use brasero that comes with gnome |
| 21:09.51 | OldParr | Udoblunt: have you experienced the trauncated filenames ? |
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| 21:10.12 | foxtrot9 | Udoblunt, i'm not fond of brasero, no UDF support |
| 21:10.16 | phogg | Udoblunt: already looked at that one |
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| 21:10.32 | phogg | Udoblunt: brasero is pretty junky, xfburn is a bit better and k3b is king. |
| 21:10.43 | Udoblunt | I hardly ever burn discs anymore |
| 21:10.46 | phogg | not sure why there are no useful gtk burners |
| 21:10.48 | Udoblunt | brasero always did the trick |
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| 21:10.59 | Udoblunt | but I believe u guys :p |
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| 21:11.11 | foxtrot9 | Udoblunt, try to burn a 1.6gb tarball on disc, brasero doesn't like it |
| 21:11.14 | Udoblunt | I also used gnomebaker, but that was years ago |
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| 21:11.17 | mirak | FDFlock, i don't understand, now i can see both partition table in linux, however the partition table of the ide raw disk is not visible, and the virtual disk where i installed ubuntu can't be seen it's partition either |
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| 21:12.13 | phogg | Udoblunt: my test today is simple: Can I choose to use or not use joliet and rock ridge? If no, the burner is not good. |
| 21:12.14 | nitzs | Why don't flash videos play smoothly in fullscreen? |
| 21:12.24 | phogg | Udoblunt: so far only k3b has an option for anything like that |
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| 21:12.51 | nkuttler | nitzs: because flash sucks |
| 21:13.04 | foxtrot9 | phogg, do you know if xfburn has UDF support? the interface is so simple, its hard to know what options its using |
| 21:13.22 | phogg | foxtrot9: no data |
| 21:13.28 | nitzs | nkuttler: but they do play smoothly in ubuntu. |
| 21:13.31 | foxtrot9 | nitzs, install flash-nonfree |
| 21:13.41 | phogg | foxtrot9: I'd like to think it does, but if there's no option for it I don't know how you tell |
| 21:13.48 | foxtrot9 | i have gotten flash to work full screen in debian |
| 21:14.07 | nitzs | foxtrot9: yes, i've the same installed. |
| 21:15.06 | foxtrot9 | nitzs, still flippin frames? |
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| 21:15.32 | nitzs | yes. it drops frames. |
| 21:15.50 | foxtrot9 | have you restarted since then? |
| 21:15.55 | foxtrot9 | after installing |
| 21:16.01 | nitzs | yes. |
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| 21:16.06 | nkuttler | nitzs: could also be your video driver i guess.. or your network connection or... |
| 21:16.07 | OldParr | can i add a ubuntu repo to my debian ? |
| 21:16.13 | phogg | OldParr: not a good idea |
| 21:16.21 | nkuttler | OldParr: bad idea |
| 21:16.28 | dvs | OldParr: really bad idea |
| 21:16.36 | peterS | OldParr: horribly bad idea |
| 21:16.40 | peterS | (: |
| 21:16.46 | OldParr | ok ,, let's wodim |
| 21:16.50 | foxtrot9 | OldParr, its like adding a redhat repo to debian |
| 21:16.51 | mirak | i don't understand, fdisk -l shows me the content of the device, with partitions and such, however , cat /proc/partitions doesn't shows the partitions |
| 21:16.56 | foxtrot9 | they are not the same |
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| 21:17.05 | Lars_G_ | Say I want to make a .deb from a program, but there's nothign setup for it yet, and I need it urgently and it's VERY complex, is there any easy way I could use the program's traditional build process and then de-rail make install to a tmp/fake dir, and create the .deb from there? |
| 21:17.22 | nitzs | nkuttler: it play fine on the nouveau driver in ubuntu. I have the proprietary driver installed in debian. |
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| 21:17.44 | nkuttler | Lars_G_: what would be the point of having a .deb? |
| 21:17.50 | Lars_G_ | mirak: It's possible the kernel hasn't refreshed the partition table for the disk itself? |
| 21:17.57 | peterS | Lars_G_: that's the usual approach, yes. if upstream supports the DESTDIR variable in its makefile system, this is actually pretty straightforward |
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| 21:18.02 | Lars_G_ | nkuttler: Installing in another system, that's the same as mine. |
| 21:18.11 | scampbell | Lars_G: You might be able to use 'check_install' if you have a standard autoconf type build. |
| 21:18.23 | Lars_G_ | scampbell: No, it's far from autoconf. |
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| 21:18.33 | mirak | Lars_G_, it seems parted fails. and i guess parted uses the same method as the kernel. |
| 21:18.35 | Lars_G_ | scampbell: Otherwise I would've made a /debian quickly for it :) |
| 21:18.58 | Lars_G_ | mirak: Normally when you partition the disk, at the end it warns the kernel to reload the table, seems it wasn't done in this case |
| 21:19.00 | mirak | Lars_G_, when i do parted -l, parted says error: can't have a partition outside the disk |
| 21:19.40 | Lars_G_ | mirak: That error could be because the bios, the disk, parted, and the kernel are not all agreeying to the disk's geometry. |
| 21:19.58 | karlpinc | !tell Lars_G_ about stow |
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| 21:20.06 | karlpinc | !tell Lars_G_ about stow usage |
| 21:20.12 | mirak | Lars_G_, the disk was already partitioned. i am running in a VM, the disk is a realone and is attached as a RAW disk in virtualbox. i have also two other real disk that are read fine. and a virtual disk with an issue |
| 21:20.25 | mirak | the issue beeing, unreconized label. |
| 21:20.27 | Lars_G_ | peterS: If I change destdir (and it works), is there a more elegant way to generate the .deb than just kludgin a control/manifest together and creating the compressed archives by hand? |
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| 21:21.01 | rozz | phogg: I have chromium-browser |
| 21:21.02 | karlpinc | Lars_G_: Oops. I guess stow is just the wrong way to do it. No .deb. |
| 21:21.05 | Lars_G_ | karlpinc: Hmmmm, interesting idea |
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| 21:21.24 | Lars_G_ | karlpinc: Yeah it looks more like a way to keep the stuff separate and probably symlinked or similar |
| 21:21.47 | karlpinc | Lars_G_: Yes. |
| 21:22.05 | Lars_G_ | mirak: Real odd, if it was already partitioned, it should be recog allright, I guess it is a disagreement about geometry between the parts. |
| 21:22.31 | Lars_G_ | mirak: In this case a disagreement between the disk, the bios, the kernel for your host, the virtualized bios and the kernel for your guest |
| 21:22.44 | rozz | Any idea what I should do to make java applets work with chromium-browser? |
| 21:23.10 | Lars_G_ | rozz: It should be able to use firefox's java plugin |
| 21:23.11 | karlpinc | mirak: Could it possibly be <4kb> sector related? |
| 21:23.15 | Lars_G_ | rozz: If any is installed |
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| 21:23.27 | rozz | Lars_G_: How do I use that? |
| 21:23.27 | mirak | karlpinc, on an old 250g hard drive i doubt it |
| 21:23.37 | mirak | an old ide drive |
| 21:23.40 | karlpinc | mirak: Not likely then. |
| 21:23.43 | mirak | and a virtual image |
| 21:23.46 | Lars_G_ | rozz: You install a java plugin package.. restart chromium. |
| 21:23.48 | mirak | of 8Gb |
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| 21:23.54 | Lars_G_ | brb |
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| 21:24.16 | mirak | but it's linux related, because the bios can boot grub on the raw device |
| 21:25.06 | mirak | or it is a virutalbox regression |
| 21:25.17 | mirak | i did that already on this drive, and it worked fine |
| 21:25.28 | rozz | Lars_G_: So something like this? sudo apt-get install icedtea6-plugin |
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| 21:26.37 | rozz | Oh, he left. |
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| 21:37.15 | guardian | hey, in debian bind is run as 'bind' user, what's the point of chroot then? |
| 21:37.55 | peterS | guardian: better ask what's the point of chroot if you are running as the root user. The root user can escape a chroot, non-root users cannot. |
| 21:38.23 | peterS | anyway I don't run bind chrooted... |
| 21:38.44 | guardian | well i'm new to bind, so i read the wiki page on d.o |
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| 21:39.06 | guardian | and it says it's run as user bind by default, then explains how to configure chroot |
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| 21:39.24 | guardian | but doesnt really say if chroot is better when bind runs as 'bind' user |
| 21:39.35 | peterS | running a daemon in a chroot is just an extra layer. If someone discovers security vulnerabilities in the daemon, and is able to hack it to get onto your system, at least they're still inside a chroot and can't escalate their attack any further |
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| 21:39.57 | guardian | and does bind need a special case? |
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| 21:40.03 | guardian | compared to a web server for instance |
| 21:40.20 | daemon | you can also nest jails if you want to go extreme |
| 21:40.27 | peterS | anythign you run in a chroot needs some sort of magic to build and maintain the chroot with whatever libraries, config files, sockets, and the like it will need |
| 21:40.27 | daemon | personally I run entire systems in each jail |
| 21:41.24 | peterS | this requires some way to maintain the whole thing: if you apply library updates, you really want those same updates to happen inside each of your chroots |
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| 21:43.37 | mrtn | Is it possible to dd in a way that I specify start and end sector of an HDD? |
| 21:43.47 | guardian | ok thx for the lesson :) |
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| 21:44.36 | peterS | mrtn: dd has 'skip=', 'bs=' and 'count=' exactly for this purpose |
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| 21:49.47 | toxicsgz | Hello again Debian :) |
| 21:49.58 | nsadmin | there;s a debian here?! |
| 21:50.04 | toxicsgz | :) |
| 21:50.19 | toxicsgz | I refer to the channel and all in it. |
| 21:50.41 | nsadmin | we are of one debian, ye n I |
| 21:51.04 | toxicsgz | Is it generally thought that debian will not be taking the Gnome 3 route? |
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| 21:51.28 | scwizard | how do I "reboot" my apache configuration again? |
| 21:51.37 | nsadmin | by route do you mean "will it become part of debian"? |
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| 21:51.45 | toxicsgz | Indeed. |
| 21:51.54 | themill | toxicsgz: gnome 3, along with kde 4, xfce, lxde, ... is part the upcoming release wheezy |
| 21:51.57 | nsadmin | scwizard, start and stop it |
| 21:52.10 | scwizard | nsadmin, nono, I mean reinstall my configuration files |
| 21:52.13 | scwizard | so they are the default files |
| 21:52.20 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 21:52.21 | themill | dpkg: tell scwizard about confmiss |
| 21:52.24 | nsadmin | that;'s different |
| 21:52.32 | scwizard | I thought that was only when you deleted config files themill |
| 21:52.36 | themill | scwizard: make sure you reinstall the correct packages though; dpkg -S |
| 21:52.42 | toxicsgz | themill, so the answer is yes which puts me in the KDE market I guess. |
| 21:52.52 | nsadmin | you want a fresh copy of all of them? |
| 21:53.01 | themill | scwizard: there's nothing stopping you deleting the files is there? |
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| 21:53.26 | scwizard | themill, yeah there is. If I do it manually I might miss some for instance |
| 21:53.36 | nsadmin | toxicsgz, it doesn't have to... you don't have to run X at all |
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| 21:53.53 | nsadmin | commando commandline! |
| 21:54.03 | themill | toxicsgz: squeeze has a perfectly fine gnome 2 if that's what you're looking for |
| 21:54.04 | toxicsgz | X? |
| 21:55.06 | nsadmin | that;s what kde, gnome, lkde, fvwm, xterm, gnome terminal, run on and the thing that displays, and the thing that listens to the keyblard and mouse |
| 21:55.11 | scwizard | so sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2-common and I should have the default apache2 configuration again? |
| 21:55.13 | toxicsgz | I use mint for general stuff but have been looking for a distro to use on a seperate work HDD, debian seems the most stable and is still user friendly enough for the likes of me. |
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| 21:55.45 | nsadmin | toxicsgz, someday, you may wish to check out man X |
| 21:55.51 | themill | scwizard: if you delete the config files first, yes |
| 21:56.01 | scwizard | :/ |
| 21:56.06 | nsadmin | it's a really good read and clears up a LOT of stuff |
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| 21:56.36 | toxicsgz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.25 | nsadmin | ok... so, remember when your debian boots up, there's lots of white text on black background? |
| 21:57.41 | toxicsgz | yep! |
| 21:57.52 | nsadmin | no graphics, no mouse |
| 21:58.05 | nsadmin | that's debian without X |
| 21:58.25 | nsadmin | and if it wasn' |
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| 21:59.18 | nsadmin | and if it wasn't arranged to come up automatically, you would be presented with a login prompt, in white text on a black background, just like everything else |
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| 22:00.37 | toxicsgz | Are you talking about operating my computer from the command line instead of a GUI? |
| 22:01.03 | nsadmin | text only. no graphics. you type commands into this and as you type they show up at the prompt,,, you hit enter, they run, and when done you get another prompt |
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| 22:01.04 | nsadmin | right, I'm saying you don't necessarily need that at all |
| 22:01.29 | nsadmin | debian will be perfectly happy (and a bit faster) |
| 22:02.08 | nsadmin | dunno if you'll be happy, but debian will either way |
| 22:02.12 | toxicsgz | I am just looking for something that will run the software I need, libre office and a browser, so I can work productively and not have updates every 5 mins. |
| 22:02.36 | nsadmin | why would you have updates like that? |
| 22:02.55 | toxicsgz | I have constant updates with Mint |
| 22:03.04 | nsadmin | debian stable may be for you |
| 22:03.20 | rking | I'm trying to "ifup wlan0" on a totally open Wifi network.. I have the /etc/network/interfaces wireless-essid correct, and for the rest I tried wireless-mode Ad-hoc and wireless-keymode open, but I get "No DHCPOFFERS received" |
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| 22:03.39 | nsadmin | if you have extra hard drive or unpartitioned space on an existing one, trying debian is painless and you don't have to erase anything |
| 22:03.40 | toxicsgz | Thats what I thought, I have no need to build my own OS or learn in any detail about linux, I am just a user. |
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| 22:04.35 | toxicsgz | A work system would keep me away from all the distractions of my main :) |
| 22:05.08 | nsadmin | you'll notice you will learn things anyway... it's kinda like: you pay money for windows, you pay learning time for linux |
| 22:05.25 | toxicsgz | Am I limited to certain older software with Debian? |
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| 22:06.37 | nsadmin | the basic deal with debian is stability... the way stability is achieved, is extensive testing, and then release... stability is -maintained- by severely limiting upgrades of debians which are considered released |
| 22:06.39 | toxicsgz | I guess I am trying to create a separate office environment on my home desktop. |
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| 22:06.56 | nsadmin | having said that, there are opportunities |
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| 22:07.35 | scwizard | wtf |
| 22:07.44 | scwizard | I reinstalled apache with the default configuration |
| 22:07.48 | nsadmin | where's the fish?! |
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| 22:08.00 | scwizard | and it won't start, Syntax error on line 160 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Invalid command 'Order' |
| 22:08.05 | jimcak234 | hi, im new, im reading this book, it says "Set NIC 2 to have a static IP address of 172.168.1.1 /24." how do i do that? |
| 22:08.31 | toxicsgz | Current stable is 6.0.3 yes? |
| 22:08.47 | nsadmin | yes, well, there';s an update to that |
| 22:09.04 | nsadmin | 6.0.4 right now |
| 22:09.36 | nsadmin | mostly the upgrades you would get are due to solutions to security issues |
| 22:09.47 | nsadmin | and other very important bug fixes |
| 22:09.54 | scwizard | when I do a confmiss there's no mods enabled by default :( |
| 22:09.56 | scwizard | why is this??? |
| 22:10.08 | toxicsgz | OK now I just need to choose a desktop environment that is well suited to an office environment without the need to network :D |
| 22:10.15 | scwizard | there's also no sites enabled by default |
| 22:10.38 | scwizard | why do I get different configurations when I do a fresh install, and when I reinstall the congiuration files with confmiss? |
| 22:10.39 | nsadmin | that sounds like the default config |
| 22:11.02 | scwizard | no, when I installed apache2 there was a default site, which was enabled |
| 22:11.13 | scwizard | and several modules enabled (that the config file counts on being there) |
| 22:11.13 | nsadmin | toxicsgz, why no net? |
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| 22:11.40 | toxicsgz | I've no need to network machines. |
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| 22:12.02 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:12.15 | nsadmin | then you'd be setting the machines up elsewhere? |
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| 22:13.19 | toxicsgz | It is not a business, I am a writer so need a browser for research and a few text editors, some minor image editing. |
| 22:13.37 | nsadmin | scwizard, I know general stuff... themill seems to know the details as well... maybe a package has the default site and default modules |
| 22:13.53 | nsadmin | I just don't know; I use another web server |
| 22:14.03 | toxicsgz | I am less likely to be distracted if I need to reboot to play games and socialize etc :D |
| 22:14.20 | nsadmin | toxicsgz, wouldn't you need net connectivity for the browser? |
| 22:14.41 | themill | scwizard: hang on.. what package did you use confmiss with> |
| 22:14.51 | scwizard | themill, apache2.2-common |
| 22:14.57 | nsadmin | themill, thanks for showing up |
| 22:14.58 | themill | that's not what you pasted earlier |
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| 22:15.15 | toxicsgz | Well yes of course, i meant I do not need to have comps communicate with each other, neither printers etc. |
| 22:15.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:15.36 | scwizard | yeah I know. there's no such apache2-common. It's called apache2.2-common |
| 22:15.42 | nsadmin | so the machines will be connected to something then? |
| 22:16.20 | scwizard | so tell me, which package should I reinstall? I tried apache2 (the metapackage) apache2.2-common and apache2 (the metapackage) |
| 22:16.24 | toxicsgz | Debian looks very suitable to me, just need to look at xfce, lxde |
| 22:17.03 | nsadmin | toxicsgz, that would be a really good idea, so you can pick something you like |
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| 22:17.44 | karsten | Say I want to check/install packages from backports for lenny. Is that still backports, or do I need to play with archive.d.o instead? |
| 22:17.46 | toxicsgz | Well I better get on and take a look :) |
| 22:18.18 | themill | scwizard: apache2.2-common will reinstall the config files. |
| 22:18.28 | kevlarman | karsten: it's in the /topic |
| 22:18.40 | scwizard | themill, yes. I did that and it reinstalled the config files. However it didn't populate mods-enabled and sites-enabled |
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| 22:19.03 | nsadmin | toxicsgz, of course you're welcome to stick around if you have other questions |
| 22:19.11 | themill | scwizard: you an always a2ensite, a2enmod. |
| 22:19.15 | toxicsgz | :) |
| 22:19.32 | nsadmin | perhaps you will want to do a backup plan; you don't want to lose your writings |
| 22:19.45 | toxicsgz | One thing, will I be given the option which OS to boot at atart up or will I need to set that up. |
| 22:19.52 | toxicsgz | start* |
| 22:19.58 | scwizard | themill, yes, but during a fresh install of apache2 those directories are populated with default configuration. so I don't undersatnd why they would be missed during a reinstall |
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| 22:20.01 | nsadmin | yeah, should be |
| 22:20.12 | nsadmin | it will look for operating systems |
| 22:20.21 | toxicsgz | I already back up to an external. |
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| 22:20.34 | nsadmin | ok, good enuf |
| 22:20.35 | themill | scwizard: reinstall is not a fresh install and the maintainer scripts spot this difference. |
| 22:20.46 | Dulak | Did you purge the packages or remove them? |
| 22:20.46 | mrtn | I have a 3MB mp3 file. Is it possible to see on exactly which file system cluster is the start for this file and which file system cluster is the end of the file? |
| 22:20.56 | toxicsgz | Kinda. Need a second to store elsewhere soon. |
| 22:21.04 | karsten | kevlarman: Tx. |
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| 22:21.33 | scwizard | themill, ok how would I do a fresh install without unwinding all my dependencies? |
| 22:21.40 | karsten | kevlarman: ... upgrading isn't an option at present. Production firewall. |
| 22:22.02 | toxicsgz | Hopefully it will solve my lack of will power to click on Documents instead of my games files ;) |
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| 22:23.44 | karsten | kevlarman: ... though we're migrating off this system RSN (a few months). |
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| 22:25.50 | themill | scwizard: I'd consider running "/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.postinst configure" to trick the postinst into doing its thing |
| 22:26.31 | scwizard | themill, very cool. Thank you very much |
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| 22:41.40 | krphop | greetings, i've got a package that i created that requires a package from a backports repo to also be installed (specified in the debian/control file) |
| 22:41.52 | abrotman | and? |
| 22:42.30 | krphop | if i install from the command line, specifying the backported deb, and my deb, it seems to work fine. However, if i just try to install my deb, i get a 'unmet dependencies' error |
| 22:42.48 | mrtn | File system inode contains file physical location(the addresses of the blocks of storage containing the file's data on a HDD). Is there a way dump specific inode? |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | krphop: aptitude -f install |
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| 22:43.14 | abrotman | mrtn: you want the information of the inode, or what it points to ? |
| 22:44.14 | mrtn | abrotman, I would like to see start and end block for a file. It has to be specified in the inode of the file, but I have no idea how to display the content of a specific inode. |
| 22:44.16 | krphop | Heh, well thats another issue, i'm trying to build a install image via an automated system, so trying to get this to work with just a 'normal' apt-get install XXX |
| 22:44.51 | abrotman | krphop: is this for ubuntu ? |
| 22:45.04 | krphop | its almost as if apt is checking repos with the highest priority for the packages, until it hits the base squeeze repo, then stops. wont use squeeze-backports |
| 22:45.08 | mrtn | abrotman, "stat" displays some data, but it does not show start and end block for a file. |
| 22:45.16 | krphop | abrotman: no, debian squeeze |
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| 22:45.52 | abrotman | krphop: okay .. so generally, you do something like `dpkg -i foo.deb;apt-get install foo` |
| 22:46.26 | abrotman | krphop: or alternately, setup your own repo |
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| 22:46.57 | krphop | I've thought about pulling all the backported debs i need into another repo, its just a lot of debs |
| 22:47.22 | krphop | it seems like if i could get the backports repo to be treated as a 'normal' repo, but a lower priority than squeeze base, it would work |
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| 22:48.13 | abrotman | krphop: using dpkg and apt-get/aptitude are different things |
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| 22:48.55 | krphop | well, our build system is only using apt-get to install these packages, at this point i'm trying not to modify the build system itself to install this package in an image |
| 22:49.48 | abrotman | krphop: apt-get -f install foo ? |
| 22:50.05 | krphop | that would still require changes to the build system |
| 22:50.17 | abrotman | it's your build system ? |
| 22:50.26 | krphop | why isnt the backports repo just searched like normal, but at a lower priority? |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | it is ? |
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| 22:51.11 | krphop | it doesnt appear to, since it requires -f? |
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| 22:51.33 | abrotman | that's to fix ... |
| 22:51.55 | abrotman | you're doing a dpkg -i .. that will only resolve local deps .. apt-get -f install foo .. should grab what it need to finish |
| 22:52.21 | themill | krphop: I think at this stage we need to see real output from tools. Can you pastebin an example of how this is failing along with the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2" for all of the packages involved? |
| 22:52.51 | krphop | but thats what i mean, if i specify a backported version of a package in a control file, why wont it be installed via the backports repo? |
| 22:53.06 | krphop | sure, generating output now |
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| 22:58.44 | xaashi | hi. i'm having a strange problem not being able login to a debian squeeze server, after typing in the user name at the prompt i get "Login incorrect" without the password prompt |
| 22:58.59 | xaashi | anyone seen this before@ |
| 22:59.02 | xaashi | and thanks |
| 23:00.19 | xaashi | .. incidentally i can ssh login to the box . |
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| 23:02.03 | thewanderer1 | xaashi, sounds like a PAM or NSS problem |
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| 23:02.26 | bonks | Which image should I use to run a stable debian server on usb 24/7? |
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| 23:02.36 | bonks | I found http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/usb-hdd/ but there are so much |
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| 23:02.56 | xaashi | thewanderer1: hi and thanks, yeah I am digging around any pointers where to look? |
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| 23:03.15 | ggherdov | first off: I have a bad internet connection. Sorry if I get off in the middle of a conversation. Question: added existing user 'ggherdov' to existing group 'web'. chmod-ed /var/www/test/ to 775. 'ggherdov' still cannot 'touch /var/www/test/hello.txt'. What did I miss? complete pastebin: http://bpaste.net/show/26066/ |
| 23:03.54 | abrotman | ggherdov: did ggherdov logout/;login ? |
| 23:04.01 | ggherdov | no |
| 23:04.08 | krphop | abrotman: themill - http://pastebin.com/0SQneB9p |
| 23:04.15 | thewanderer1 | xaashi, /etc/pam.d of course (specifically the login file) and /etc/nsswitch.conf :P |
| 23:04.17 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 23:04.19 | abrotman | ggherdov: you must |
| 23:04.27 | ggherdov | ah ok. thx abrotman |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | wtf is -xxxx ? |
| 23:04.54 | themill | krphop: and the output of "apt-get -f install"? |
| 23:05.16 | krphop | i just replaced all the internal names of things with the XXX stuff |
| 23:05.20 | xaashi | thewanderer1: ;) .. |
| 23:05.36 | abrotman | themill: @-->--- |
| 23:05.47 | krphop | themill: just apt-get -f install, or to install this package? |
| 23:05.51 | abrotman | goes away before he gets pushed out the door |
| 23:06.05 | themill | krphop: just "apt-get -f install" should be fine |
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| 23:07.09 | krphop | themill: http://pastebin.com/GCKqAA6e |
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| 23:07.27 | ksk | hey guys |
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| 23:07.39 | abrotman | looks for guys |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | krphop: what are those un-upgraded packages? |
| 23:08.00 | themill | krphop: actually, given that this package is actually in a repo, why aren't you just using "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install base-config-amd64-squeeze-XXXX" right from the beginning? |
| 23:08.18 | xaashi | umm ... FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/hvc0' FOR 'root' .. i'm guessing it's the terminal related |
| 23:08.30 | ksk | is there a way to just get *one* package from eg testing via pinning? the stuff i read rather confused me even more |
| 23:08.39 | themill | ksk: what package? |
| 23:08.46 | krphop | abrotman: this is mid build of the image, so the not upgraded ones are probably the packages that failed to install |
| 23:08.49 | abrotman | ksk: which package? and generally it's not that easy |
| 23:08.52 | thewanderer1 | xaashi, check auth.log |
| 23:09.02 | abrotman | themill: eh what? |
| 23:09.03 | ksk | vzctl from sid |
| 23:09.19 | krphop | themill: this is an automated build system, so its just installing all the required packages with apt-get install <packagename> |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | ksk: FYI, sid is not testing |
| 23:09.40 | ksk | ye i know |
| 23:09.49 | ksk | but it sound way more sane if i do not mention sid :p |
| 23:09.58 | ksk | sounds |
| 23:10.04 | abrotman | ksk: until someone catches you saying something crazy :) |
| 23:10.20 | abrotman | ksk: /msg dpkg ssb .. give it a try |
| 23:10.23 | ksk | it installs/works so far without any other dependencies from sid |
| 23:10.25 | ksk | thanks |
| 23:10.39 | xaashi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.41 | abrotman | ksk: oh, if the binary package installs/works .. do you need something els e? |
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| 23:11.26 | themill | krphop: so fix your automated build system.... just using aptitude will probably be enough |
| 23:11.28 | ksk | now i need to manually check for new versions |
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| 23:11.46 | abrotman | ksk: same thing with a self-compiled backport |
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| 23:11.56 | thewanderer1 | xaashi, there's supposedly a file called /etc/securetty which lists all consoles where root can log on |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | ksk: do you really need a newer package version ? |
| 23:12.42 | ksk | i wanted to try some new features which are not known to stables vzctl |
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| 23:13.50 | xaashi | thewanderer1: yeah .. hvc0 is there listed in /etc/securetty |
| 23:14.04 | xaashi | thewanderer1: strange! |
| 23:14.04 | krphop | themill: using aptitude install still marks the linux-base package as 'not going to be installed' |
| 23:14.17 | abrotman | krphop: using which command ? |
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| 23:14.49 | krphop | aptitude -f install base-config-amd64-squeeze-XXXX |
| 23:15.07 | krphop | Depends: linux-base (= 3.4~bpo60+1) but it is not going to be installed. |
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| 23:15.40 | themill | actually, the -f in that command does the opposite of what you want, but I doubt it will make a difference |
| 23:15.42 | Bachsau | @tresg |
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| 23:15.55 | krphop | using without -f is similar results |
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| 23:17.15 | ksk | thx abrotman |
| 23:17.17 | ksk | reboot :P |
| 23:17.32 | krphop | it jsut never seems to want to hit the backports repo to resolve any of these dependencies |
| 23:17.51 | abrotman | reboot ? |
| 23:18.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:18.11 | abrotman | all mixed up! |
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| 23:19.16 | antiisolo | I was curious, when I close my laptop lid, and it goes into suspend/hibernate mode.. i cant get a login when i come back. I see the mouse, but thats it.. if i leave it untouched, and it turns off the screen, even after hours, i can hit a key and get a login, but notif the lid is shut |
| 23:19.21 | antiisolo | any ideas? |
| 23:20.29 | abrotman | antiisolo: do you auth via ldap or something besides a local passwd file ? |
| 23:20.46 | abrotman | antiisolo: is your keyboard USB and perhaps nonfunctional after it sleeps/ |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:20.59 | boudiccas | antiisolo; what happens if /you/ put it in hibernate/suspend, rather than it putting itslef there? |
| 23:21.16 | boudiccas | itself |
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| 23:21.35 | antiisolo | abortman, nah just laptop keyboard, nothing special, just an installation of debian, nothing to do with ldap |
| 23:21.51 | antiisolo | boudiccas, I am not sure, i will have to try that |
| 23:24.27 | antiisolo | s0m3thing3ls3! |
| 23:25.32 | krphop | nice password... |
| 23:25.52 | tharkun | Is there any other package that does the same thing as apache's Tomcat? |
| 23:27.16 | krphop | abrotman: themill: any other ideas on getting backports to be treated as a 'normal' repo? |
| 23:27.41 | ksk | tharkun what do you want to do? |
| 23:27.59 | themill | krphop: you'd have to change the pinning but you don't really want to do that |
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| 23:28.22 | krphop | yeah, then any packages in backports will be installed before base |
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| 23:28.53 | krphop | but it seems liek the dependency resolving stops at base, and goes no further, even if i specifically specify a version in backports in the control file |
| 23:29.20 | antiisolo | boudiccas, i just suspended it myself, and same thing.. seems like the screen is actually there and all, but its not showing me anything.. |
| 23:29.36 | tharkun | ksk: I've been asked to install opencrx on a test machine for evaluation purposes. But one of the dependencies is precisely Tomcat. I am not a big fan of apache as a web server. I am looking for an alternative |
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| 23:30.08 | ksk | but there will still be java inside :P |
| 23:30.32 | tharkun | preferes Colombian |
| 23:30.41 | ksk | guess google is you friend for a question like that |
| 23:32.15 | tharkun | ksk: Thanks, but google is not precisely something acurate when your queries are in something else different than English |
| 23:32.57 | tharkun | goes back to wrestling Tomcat |
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| 23:33.09 | abrotman | tomcat wins, three rounds |
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