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| 00:10.52 | docgnome | how do i set up a bridged network interface that has no devices on it? I'm trying to set up a local bridge between a linux container and the host machine |
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| 00:23.16 | gnarface | docgnome: maybe something with loopback network devices |
| 00:23.29 | gnarface | docgnome: you can make dummy network devices with the loop module |
| 00:24.06 | gnarface | docgnome: http://linax.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/linux-dummy-network-device/ something like this |
| 00:24.31 | gnarface | docgnome: not sure if that module name is right but the rest looks legit. that's how i make NATs for linux-vservers. your mileage may vary if you're using some other type of container though |
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| 00:24.47 | docgnome | hrm |
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| 00:25.53 | gnarface | hmm. dummy and null may be both aliases for loop or something |
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| 00:27.26 | gnarface | docgnome: you'd have to do some iptables wrangling too |
| 00:27.35 | docgnome | ugh |
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| 00:27.48 | gnarface | unless you've got a network you can give a static ip on for every guest |
| 00:28.00 | gnarface | then you don't need iptables mess |
| 00:28.11 | gnarface | docgnome: which "container" is this? |
| 00:28.16 | npx | Should the lm flag be visible even when running an i386 kernel? |
| 00:28.30 | docgnome | gnarface: lxc |
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| 00:29.19 | docgnome | gnarface: turning out to be more of a pain than i thought though.... i may just bag it and use vbox instead |
| 00:30.30 | gnarface | docgnome: well... i don't know fuck all about lxc so i can't tell you if there are easier ways or not. my experience is limited to linux-vservers and user-mode-linux (both of which are probably obscure due to their excessive configuration complexity) |
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| 00:31.50 | abrotman | npx: yes |
| 00:32.43 | npx | Cedar Trail has to be the saddest Intel chipset ever for running Linux... |
| 00:33.04 | npx | No long mode support, terrible graphics hardware... |
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| 00:33.23 | sanitypassing | hi, I have a debian server, and I want to change the resolution that it uses. How can do this? |
| 00:33.32 | abrotman | resolution of what? |
| 00:33.36 | sanitypassing | the screen |
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| 00:33.44 | abrotman | X? CLI? POST? |
| 00:33.49 | sanitypassing | CLI, sorry |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | and what have you tried ? |
| 00:35.02 | sanitypassing | changing "set gfxmode="1280x1024" in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 00:43.04 | scotepi | what should the permissions be on my /var/www be? i want to have multipul users in the www-data group be able to edit it, to me that should be www-data:www-data 775 but it doesnt seem secure |
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| 00:44.19 | abrotman | scotepi: you can move DocumentRoot anywhere you like |
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| 00:45.43 | scotepi | abrotman, but anywhere i put it, it would need permissions, i would like to /var/www/example1.com /var/www/example2.com im guessing apache run as www-data:www-data needs r-x access to the files wether that be group or guest |
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| 00:47.56 | abrotman | scotepi: and it's not really secure .. |
| 00:49.13 | tharkun | what is the bot's command to inquire why a program is not on testing? |
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| 00:50.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tharkun about why is foo not in testing |
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| 01:08.43 | wolfric | how do i get the history of changes for a package again? I know there was an option in apt but i'm just not seeing it |
| 01:09.16 | wolfric | want to see what the latest kernel changes are in squeeze |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | aptitude changelog ? |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | !changelog |
| 01:09.26 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb, "apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also "aptitude changelog foo" or go to http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. See also <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 01:09.30 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 01:10.42 | wolfric | ah ok cheers, i was looking through the man pages of the apt packages i had installed, didn't have aptitude or apt-listchanges installed |
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| 01:49.35 | thewanderer1 | why does apt insist on installing an "upgrade" to "at" package from wheezy when I have pinned stable as 700 and testing as 600? I also have squeeze-updates enabled, but somehow it prefers wheezy? O.o |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | dependency? |
| 01:52.32 | thewanderer1 | aha! I hate to answer my own questions, but... I had to pin stable-updates as something between 700 and 600, it was 500 by default. although that does not explain why it was still going to upgrade from 700 to 600 :P |
| 01:53.05 | thewanderer1 | either I don't understand pinning completely or pinning doesn't understand its own config (bug) |
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| 01:56.49 | darkelfjuggalo | How do i install am xpi pkg? |
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| 02:08.41 | thewanderer1 | Myrth: Linux modules won't work with GRUB, they are two different pieces of software |
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| 02:09.04 | thewanderer1 | what do you need that module for? |
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| 02:12.56 | Solarbaby | need some advice. I am writing a script that will use fdisk to partition a new drive. both the boot drive and the new drive are both usb drives. i fear that it will eventually go wrong a format the bootable drive wiping out my OS. is there a way I can include into my script a way to check which drive we booted from? |
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| 02:15.12 | rook2pawn | hello |
| 02:15.22 | Solarbaby | Hi |
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| 02:19.18 | thewanderer1 | Solarbaby: you'll usually know that in advance because it's mounted on /, no? also if you ship a product as a filesystem image, that fs has a UUID which is constant and can be pre-set. |
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| 02:20.32 | innociv | Ugh. Paying $400 a month for a load balancer because my server was being DDoS'd, and the attacks just got bigger than the load balancer handles.. |
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| 02:42.30 | Nillerz | Hey, I backednup my root partition, resized it, then copied all the data back |
| 02:42.44 | Nillerz | It wont boot n0w, ive tried reinstalling grub |
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| 02:55.02 | Damoen | I have just installed a Debian LAMP web server on VB for the first time. And I have also installed SSH and connected to it. But how do I transfer files to my web server? |
| 02:55.18 | boudiccas | Nillerz; how did you back it up? |
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| 02:55.51 | Todd | Damoen: I presume you're on windows.. if so use winscp to transfer using your preexisting SSH server.. If you're on a mac I would look into SSHFS |
| 02:56.08 | Nillerz | Cp -afv |
| 02:56.15 | Damoen | Todd SSHFS it is. Thanks! |
| 02:56.20 | handygandy | Sorry sort of trivial question. |
| 02:56.34 | TheSarge | Todd: Speaking of SSH how can I check which cipher I am currently using? |
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| 02:56.37 | Todd | Damoen: you can also share folders from the the host machine to the guest as long as everything is working properly. |
| 02:56.38 | handygandy | I wan t o gert a list of files in a package using apt tools. |
| 02:57.23 | handygandy | EIther a package that is installed or not installed. |
| 02:57.31 | Nillerz | I am re-copying the files because I think I may have done it wrong... |
| 02:58.09 | Todd | TheSarge: man ssh_config |
| 02:58.31 | Todd | type /Ciphers |
| 02:58.38 | Todd | TheSarge: it will tell you what the default is. |
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| 02:59.26 | TheSarge | I dont want to see the default though, you see PuTTY has a list of ciphers and you prioritize by what you want to use. How do I know which one got picked? |
| 02:59.47 | Todd | TheSarge: I don't know putty sorry. |
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| 03:00.21 | TheSarge | Don't need to. Was just wondering if there was a command I could use to see what cipher I am ACTUALLY using |
| 03:00.44 | TheSarge | my X11 forwarding is very slow |
| 03:00.52 | TheSarge | I am trying to speed it up |
| 03:01.05 | Todd | TheSarge: you have compression turned on? |
| 03:01.34 | Todd | :q |
| 03:01.37 | Todd | sorry |
| 03:01.38 | TheSarge | Todd: Yes |
| 03:02.01 | TheSarge | and have selected the fastest cipher |
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| 03:02.13 | TheSarge | But no way to know if it is using it |
| 03:02.53 | TheSarge | maybe I just have to run an Xserver on my shell and use vnc? |
| 03:02.59 | TheSarge | Maybe that will be faster? |
| 03:03.02 | Todd | has to be a way |
| 03:03.03 | Todd | I'm looking |
| 03:03.09 | TheSarge | Thx :) |
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| 03:06.40 | boudiccas | right, i've changed all the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy, should i update the kernel first, and then what please? |
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| 03:08.19 | Todd | TheSarge: ok so on my linux box I can do a verbose connection from the client and see the handshake/cipher |
| 03:08.22 | TheSarge | Its actually pretty fast, just doesnt seem to refresh very fast |
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| 03:08.44 | Todd | TheSarge: with putty I got nothing.. theres nothing in the ENV that helps me |
| 03:08.44 | TheSarge | Todd: I wonder how I do that in putty |
| 03:09.14 | TheSarge | Todd: Is running an Xserver on the shell and using vnc faster? |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | boudiccas: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:09.21 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 03:09.54 | Todd | TheSarge: you don't even really have to run an X server on the server.. |
| 03:10.05 | TheSarge | Todd: I am confused? |
| 03:10.07 | Todd | TheSarge: You can get X11 for windows and just forward apps |
| 03:10.17 | Todd | TheSarge: all you need is the libs on the server |
| 03:10.18 | TheSarge | Todd: That is what I am doing now.. |
| 03:10.23 | Todd | TheSarge: oh |
| 03:10.24 | TheSarge | And its slow |
| 03:10.38 | Todd | TheSarge: yeah I don't do GUI's except on my workstation so I dunno. |
| 03:10.57 | TheSarge | I only need a GUI for code::blocks lol |
| 03:11.00 | Todd | TheSarge: hmm there was this one thing I played with once that was nice |
| 03:11.25 | TheSarge | it seems fast excpet when I type into the editor... |
| 03:11.34 | TheSarge | takes forever to refresh and show what I typed |
| 03:11.45 | tensorpudding | why not use a local editor instead |
| 03:12.02 | TheSarge | tensorpudding: I dont want to setup a build env in windows |
| 03:12.24 | TheSarge | The whole point of using code::blocks is so I can quickly compile and run as I code |
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| 03:12.35 | tensorpudding | you can use a network filesystem to access the code |
| 03:12.42 | Todd | sshfs works great |
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| 03:12.58 | tensorpudding | oh wait, you're using code::blocks to build too |
| 03:13.03 | TheSarge | Yea.. |
| 03:13.13 | TheSarge | Thats the point of using the bloated ISE haha |
| 03:13.15 | tensorpudding | just use xbmcp to log in to your build machine |
| 03:13.17 | Todd | another reason perl wins *hides* |
| 03:13.18 | TheSarge | IDE |
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| 03:13.34 | TheSarge | tensorpudding: Huh? |
| 03:13.40 | tensorpudding | err, xdmcp |
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| 03:13.49 | TheSarge | I dont follow |
| 03:13.58 | tensorpudding | it's a way that you can do remote logins |
| 03:14.02 | rue_house | what package do I install to get java installed in iceweasel? |
| 03:14.09 | TheSarge | Id rather figure out how to do it this way so I can develop from home and work |
| 03:14.09 | rue_house | any java I dont care |
| 03:14.14 | tensorpudding | there is probably some client for windows that can do it |
| 03:14.15 | TheSarge | I cant install anything at work |
| 03:14.40 | TheSarge | Was hard enough getting the Ximg on at work |
| 03:14.41 | tensorpudding | but you already have putty? |
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| 03:14.55 | rndmz | hey people |
| 03:14.57 | tensorpudding | the solution is a faster network |
| 03:15.01 | rue_house | TheSarge, you7 can download and run putty without really installing it |
| 03:15.07 | rue_house | what package do I install to get java installed in iceweasel? |
| 03:15.09 | rue_house | any java I dont care |
| 03:15.12 | rndmz | I'm trying to get Cinnamon on Debian |
| 03:15.24 | rndmz | (i'm currently using Gnome) |
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| 03:15.34 | tensorpudding | there's no way to get remote stuff like that to be decent without a faster network |
| 03:15.50 | rndmz | When i try to ./configure the files, it says "C |
| 03:16.01 | rndmz | configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found. |
| 03:16.07 | tensorpudding | and really, if you're going to do development from your windows machine you should set up a build environment on your windows machine |
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| 03:17.22 | rue_house | what package do I install to get java installed in iceweasel? |
| 03:17.55 | TheSarge | rue_house: thats what I do.. what are you talking about? |
| 03:18.03 | rndmz | configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found. |
| 03:18.04 | rndmz | :( |
| 03:18.08 | rndmz | need help |
| 03:18.18 | rue_house | iceweasel dosn't have java, what package do I isntall? |
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| 03:19.00 | tensorpudding | probably the openjdk one |
| 03:19.06 | tensorpudding | default-jdk, maybe |
| 03:19.07 | rking | I'm trying to "ifup wlan0" on a totally open Wifi network.. I have the /etc/network/interfaces wireless-essid correct, and for the rest I tried wireless-mode Ad-hoc and wireless-keymode open, but I get "No DHCPOFFERS received" |
| 03:19.13 | tensorpudding | not sure if that includes the browser plugin |
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| 03:19.40 | dvs | openjdk-plugin |
| 03:19.40 | rue_house | jdk or jre? |
| 03:19.57 | dvs | oops, icedtea-plugin |
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| 03:21.59 | rue_house | thankyou |
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| 03:24.00 | boudiccas | whats the command to make a directory please? i've tried sudo md but it didnt recognise it |
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| 03:25.28 | rking | I figured I'd use the Gnome network-manager, but after spending an hour tracing down the dependencies, it now fails on a preinst command complaining that "/etc/init.d/network-manager-dispatcher exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)". I'm now trying to figure out how to make that "-f" flag work inside the installation process. |
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| 03:27.01 | LtL | boudiccas: mkdir |
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| 03:28.53 | rking | I did "dpkg-deb -x network-manager_XX.deb" but the resulting directory has no "preinst/postinst/etc" scripts. Is that normal? |
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| 03:29.00 | boudiccas | LtL; thanks |
| 03:29.17 | LtL | boudiccas: you're very welcome. |
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| 03:29.36 | boudiccas | when trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, apt-get upgrade finishes with ......... E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 03:29.52 | boudiccas | i've got 3.6gbs, how many more does it need? |
| 03:30.58 | boudiccas | Is there anyway in which i can get round this limitation without reformating? |
| 03:31.27 | LtL | boudiccas: run aptitude clean or autoclean, clean removes all cached packages |
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| 03:32.46 | LtL | boudiccas: i'd reboot then so /tmp/ is maybe smaller. the try the upgrade |
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| 03:33.00 | sanitypassing | Hi, I have a wireless logitech keyboard that refuses to be detected. |
| 03:33.20 | sanitypassing | I've confirmed that the receiver is detected, and that the keyboard works on other computers |
| 03:33.23 | rking | Hrm.. I'm running dpkg-deb -c on many .debs, and not seeing a single "inst" command listed. I know they're in there. Is there like a dpkg-dev-deb tool so I can extract the full contents of the .deb? |
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| 03:35.32 | boudiccas | LtL; i've run sudo apt-get clean but its still not enough space freed up. /var is 3.6gbs free, /tmp is 1.7gbs free is there anyway in which i can pugrade without major reformatting please? |
| 03:35.38 | boudiccas | upgrade |
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| 03:36.45 | LtL | boudiccas: other than remove/purge others programs, not that i know of of, next to resizing partitions. |
| 03:37.48 | boudiccas | i want to avoid resizing partitions if at all possible, i reckon then that i may be staying with squeeze for the time being then |
| 03:37.54 | Solarbaby | thewanderer1: the UUID might be the key to this.. thanks for the idea |
| 03:38.16 | LtL | boudiccas: I would say that is the safest play. |
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| 03:39.15 | boudiccas | if i got a wheezy iso install disk would i be able to upgrade from that which would obviate the download of the packages? |
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| 03:40.40 | boudiccas | or am i clutching at straws? |
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| 03:41.35 | ParkerR | 23:38:42 up 23:37, 1 user, load average: 0.73, 1.22, 1.83 :D Longest yet |
| 03:41.42 | LtL | boudiccas: you could get a list with --get-selections and reformat, install from .iso and re-install the selected programs from the list but you're likely to run into the same problem unless you adjust partition sizes to make wheezy install happy. |
| 03:42.39 | boudiccas | hmm |
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| 03:43.17 | LtL | boudiccas: --get-selections is just part of the command to export the list to a file for later re-installing. |
| 03:43.41 | LtL | boudiccas: what size hdd do you have |
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| 03:45.00 | boudiccas | 500gbs split into various partitions like /home, /usr, /var, /tmp, /opt, and of course /boot |
| 03:45.55 | nkageneral | Have a netbook with ARM WM8650 700Mhz proc, 256MB memory, 2GB HD. Can install 'stable' on it? Will it be it slow? |
| 03:46.00 | Damoen | anyone know a good ssh client for mac that doesnt require gcc to work? |
| 03:46.25 | LtL | boudiccas: the command for restoring from a list is, 'dpkg --get-selections >myselections.' 500GB is plenty, you just need a better partition scheme...lotsa work THOUGH. |
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| 03:46.37 | LtL | sorry, caps |
| 03:46.44 | rndmz | need help with this |
| 03:46.50 | rndmz | im trying to compile cinnamon |
| 03:46.51 | rndmz | but... |
| 03:46.54 | rndmz | configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found. |
| 03:47.27 | boudiccas | hmm |
| 03:47.37 | LtL | rndmz: 'dpkg -s build-essential' is it installed? ..just a guess. |
| 03:48.10 | rndmz | yep |
| 03:48.12 | rndmz | is installed |
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| 03:48.46 | LtL | rndmz: i'm not familiar with cinnamon, sorry. |
| 03:49.03 | rndmz | ok bro, no prob |
| 03:49.42 | LtL | rndmz: glib-compile-schemas is not on my system, nor it's repo's either. |
| 03:50.14 | rndmz | LtL: neither on mines |
| 03:51.14 | LtL | boudiccas: have you removed old kernels, maybe you could 'squeeze' out some space there but you're obviously running on empty. |
| 03:51.21 | Rusty1 | a google of glib-compile-schemas not found, might be helpful |
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| 03:51.39 | rndmz | Rusty1: im on it |
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| 03:52.10 | boudiccas | LtL; no, still got 204.7mb left in /boot/ and 7.7gbs in / |
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| 03:53.28 | LtL | boudiccas: one would think that's enough..hrm. |
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| 03:53.53 | deskfrag | raises his hand |
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| 03:54.13 | LtL | desti_T2: just ask man. |
| 03:54.20 | LtL | desti_T2: sorry. |
| 03:54.26 | deskfrag | I'm having some trouble... tried to install nvidia drivers and wound up bj0rking my xorg.conf |
| 03:54.27 | LtL | deskfrag: ask |
| 03:55.09 | LtL | deskfrag: I'm running ATI's sorry, keep asking. |
| 03:55.15 | deskfrag | for some odd reason it doesn't want to find my screen. Even tried pulling the EDID off my monitor and feeding that to nvidia-xconfig and got the same issue |
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| 03:56.51 | somiaj | deskfrag: pasting your xorg.conf and your Xorg.0.log may be of some help. |
| 03:56.53 | LtL | deskfrag: you may find something useful and not obsolete here, http://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard#nVidia |
| 03:57.09 | deskfrag | already got them on pastebin, lemme type up the links real quick |
| 03:59.04 | deskfrag | http://www.pastebin.com/jbSPsNP5 (xorg logs) http://www.pastebin.com/RpRduWRh (xorg conf) |
| 03:59.34 | somiaj | unknown paste ID |
| 03:59.51 | deskfrag | which one? |
| 03:59.59 | LtL | boudiccas: what df -f have you /var/ |
| 04:00.10 | LtL | er df -h |
| 04:00.24 | somiaj | the xorg conf |
| 04:00.39 | somiaj | actually both |
| 04:01.07 | LtL | boudiccas: du -h /var/ is better, my bad |
| 04:01.33 | deskfrag | maybe pastebinits acting funky |
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| 04:02.25 | boudiccas | LtL; df -h /var Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda11 4.6G 726M 3.7G 17% /var |
| 04:02.54 | somiaj | deskfrag: sometimes they only have an hour time limit before they discard it |
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| 04:03.28 | deskfrag | does this one work? http://pastebin.com/C2cBnGuD |
| 04:04.02 | LtL | boudiccas: strange that isn't enough... seems plenty, and wheezy is gonna remove alot of stuff iirc |
| 04:04.09 | rking | Aha, got it. To get the {pre,post}{inst,rm} stuff, you have to use 'ar x' on the .deb. |
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| 04:05.28 | boudiccas | LtL; keeps coming back with ...... E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. ........ which is a real bummer and show stopper |
| 04:06.17 | boudiccas | LtL; /var/cache/apt/archives/ is completely empty, bums! |
| 04:06.39 | somiaj | deskfrag: ok do me a favor, backup that xorg.conf file, then delete everything in your xorg.conf file except lines 33-37 (the Device section for your nvidia driver) |
| 04:06.48 | somiaj | run startx and give me the output of the xorg log |
| 04:06.58 | deskfrag | k |
| 04:07.10 | deskfrag | that last pastebin worked, right? |
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| 04:07.59 | somiaj | deskfrag: yes, modern day xorg doesn't need a complete xorg.conf file, all you need is enough to tell your xorg to use the nvidia driver (the other stuff is only needed in rare cases) |
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| 04:10.28 | deskfrag | http://www.pastebin.com/fxrmu2ku (Xorg log) |
| 04:12.52 | somiaj | deskfrag: I see an empty paste, no actual log there |
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| 04:14.29 | LtL | boudiccas: this may be a work-around, scroll down this lenny page until you see your error message. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 04:14.40 | bookmark | hello? |
| 04:14.55 | bookmark | hi how is everyone? |
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| 04:15.43 | LtL | boudiccas: Use a temporary /var/cache/apt/archives: You can use a temporary cache directory from another filesystem (USB storage device, temporary hard disk, filesystem already in use |
| 04:15.49 | bookmark | im wondering if anyone knows what packages the OpenGL Utility Library , GLU is in? the .so and the .h |
| 04:15.57 | bookmark | some help |
| 04:16.17 | bookmark | nevermind i think i found it |
| 04:16.21 | rozz_ | Hello. |
| 04:16.39 | rozz_ | I am running chromium-browser on debian stable and applets are not working correctly. |
| 04:16.46 | rozz_ | Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 04:18.21 | deskfrag | howabout http:/www.pastebin.com/SZZntcqZ |
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| 04:20.41 | boudiccas | LtL; i have an external USB drive with 198.8gbs free, how do I use it though please? |
| 04:21.32 | Damoen | what is the default ssh port? |
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| 04:21.56 | adminewb | hey all |
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| 04:23.03 | adminewb | "simple" question: how does one survey the local network on squeeze, looking for printer services? what packages on the client side are required to enable this? |
| 04:23.40 | somiaj | adminewb: cups is what you'll need to print, but depending on the actual type of printer on the network different tools can be used. |
| 04:23.52 | adminewb | I run 6.0.4 with xfce desktop |
| 04:24.18 | adminewb | cups includes some printer-search capability? |
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| 04:24.43 | somiaj | deskfrag: check lines 107/108 (The EE error lines) what do they say you should do? |
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| 04:25.08 | somiaj | adminewb: my cups shows some network printers, if they are windows network printers you'll need samba |
| 04:25.25 | somiaj | I'm not sure what you need if the printer doesn't advertise itself to the network and how to scan for them |
| 04:25.29 | adminewb | this one happens to be an HP Officejet with wireless |
| 04:25.40 | adminewb | presumably it's a Win printer |
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| 04:25.58 | somiaj | well lots of HP preintters use their own protcol and arne't attached via a windows network |
| 04:25.58 | deskfrag | somiaj, left side of my screen is cut off because I'm in a funky res... whats around those lines? |
| 04:26.00 | adminewb | I'll see if samba's there already |
| 04:26.22 | somiaj | deskfrag: use less in your console, you have the master config file (I want you to try to figure it out since it is fairly clear wha tht eproblem is) |
| 04:26.24 | LtL | boudiccas: cp -ax /var/cache/apt/archives /media/mounted-drive ; mount --bind /media/usbkey/archives /var/cache/apt/archives ; after the upgrade, umount /media/mounted-drive/archives ; remove the remaining /media/mounted-drive/archives. i'm just pasting the directions off that link. |
| 04:26.43 | boudiccas | LtL; ok, thanks |
| 04:26.46 | somiaj | adminewb: I don't have to much experience with this, any printer I've ever needed to use the admin gave me info on where to find it. (: |
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| 04:27.02 | LtL | boudiccas: best of luck, it should work! |
| 04:27.11 | adminewb | somiaj thanks, sadly I am probably the closest thing to an admin on this network :/ |
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| 04:28.43 | somiaj | adminewb: I just know on my cups I see random printers appear and disapear on the network though I haven't tried to use them |
| 04:29.16 | adminewb | somiaj you must be on a sizeable network in some institution |
| 04:29.24 | deskfrag | somiaj... I just need to specify a monitor? |
| 04:29.50 | somiaj | adminewb: unviersity network, I think I'm seeing artifacts mostly. (: |
| 04:29.56 | somiaj | deskfrag: NO |
| 04:29.59 | adminewb | xD |
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| 04:30.36 | somiaj | deskfrag: NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your system's kernel log for additional error messages. |
| 04:30.56 | somiaj | deskfrag: again it is very important to learn to read your own logs and debug things, I figured while I'm hear I could help you learn to learn as opposed to be told how to fix it. (: |
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| 04:31.56 | deskfrag | oh what the fudge |
| 04:32.02 | somiaj | deskfrag: less is a very good thing do |
| 04:32.04 | deskfrag | its trying to load a later driver |
| 04:32.11 | deskfrag | (legacy card) |
| 04:32.14 | somiaj | deskfrag: so two things you can do is 'dmesg' -- see what sort of kernel errors you get |
| 04:32.42 | somiaj | deskfrag: so you'll have to install the correct -legacy packages and remove the non legacy ones |
| 04:34.17 | boudiccas | LtL; thanks, its doing it and upgrading :) |
| 04:34.22 | deskfrag | somiaj, already done |
| 04:34.31 | LtL | boudiccas: great :) |
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| 04:34.34 | deskfrag | and nvidia-xconfig spat out a bad config again =/ |
| 04:35.03 | somiaj | deskfrag: don't run that...all you need is the simple config I suggest you use |
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| 04:37.37 | rozz_ | How can I see what java virtual machine I have installed? |
| 04:38.41 | somiaj | rozz_: dpkg -l | grep java |
| 04:38.46 | somiaj | rozz_: java -version should work too |
| 04:38.49 | LtL | rozz_: java -version |
| 04:39.21 | rozz_ | Thanks! |
| 04:39.27 | LtL | somiaj: types like the wind |
| 04:39.39 | somiaj | LtL: with about 69% accuracy (: |
| 04:39.46 | LtL | heh |
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| 04:40.15 | LtL | somiaj: i think your percentage is much higher imo |
| 04:40.35 | somiaj | LtL: I'm only on my first beer |
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| 04:43.05 | TheSarge | whats a good simple vnc server? |
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| 04:44.45 | deskfrag | somiaj, I've removed the later Nvidia driver but its still trying to use it. ='( |
| 04:45.26 | somiaj | deskfrag: modprobe -r nvidia (then modprobe the legacy one) |
| 04:45.29 | somiaj | deskfrag: check demsg |
| 04:46.54 | deskfrag | dangit, tried to run lsmod and can't read the modules because a portion of my left screen is cutoff |
| 04:47.59 | LtL | deskfrag: try lsmod > mymodulelist then read the file |
| 04:48.13 | deskfrag | still cut off |
| 04:48.20 | deskfrag | having to upload it to pastebinit then read it through links =/ |
| 04:48.46 | LtL | deskfrag: that'll work :) |
| 04:50.21 | LtL | deskfrag: you really should read your log |
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| 04:51.07 | deskfrag | it just keeps saying the same thing... its trying to load the latest nvidia driver even though I just removed it and reinstalled the legacy one |
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| 04:52.10 | deskfrag | oh god, I don't know what just happened but my entire display is corrupted |
| 04:52.10 | deskfrag | brb |
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| 04:53.23 | LtL | deskfrag: you might try to blacklist the offending driver in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 04:53.44 | somiaj | do the nvidia-legacy drivers actually have a different name? |
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| 04:55.11 | deskfrag | odd... just rebooted and it all started working |
| 04:55.13 | deskfrag | shrugs |
| 04:55.27 | LtL | deskfrag: it happens |
| 04:56.25 | somiaj | espically when using non-free drivers |
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| 05:03.18 | deskfrag | 'preciate the help guys |
| 05:04.13 | somiaj | deskfrag: you are welcome |
| 05:04.23 | LtL | deskfrag: glad to got it working |
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| 05:06.15 | MindaZol | I have a question concerning my debian squeeze installation |
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| 05:06.20 | TheSarge | What is the file I change to set a resolution for X11? |
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| 05:07.54 | nsadmin | MindaZol, the answer to your question is either 42, yes, blue or really too gross to me3ntion |
| 05:08.04 | somiaj | TheSarge: type 'xrandr -q' in a console |
| 05:08.09 | somiaj | TheSarge: sorry terminal |
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| 05:08.31 | nsadmin | MindaZol, you can ask your question here |
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| 05:10.57 | MindaZol | ok, thanks. So I have a wireless usb antenna set up to an old laptop and have gotten as far as installing wireless tools and the proper drivers and even being able to scan wireless networks within range. The only problem is that when i try to connect to a network with a wpa password it displays a message saying "the password is incorrect". Plz help |
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| 05:13.53 | LtL | MindaZol: wpa-supplicant installed? |
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| 05:15.08 | MindaZol | yes when i try to do apt-get it says i already have the latest version |
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| 05:17.10 | LtL | MindaZol: this sounds silly, but is it the correct pass? |
| 05:17.56 | MindaZol | yea, i was in denial at first but the pass is just a string of numbers so it not too hard to mess it up. |
| 05:18.50 | MindaZol | if it helps it's one of those cheap ranlink antennas that I bought for like $9. |
| 05:19.15 | LtL | MindaZol: I can't think of any reason for that, i wouldn't think it's the antenna. |
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| 05:20.31 | MindaZol | i dont have it turned on right now but I'll give another go and see if i can't display the results here. brb |
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| 05:21.13 | somiaj | look at the output of 'iwconfig' are you correctly assoicated with your network? |
| 05:21.39 | MindaZol | correctly associated? |
| 05:22.21 | somiaj | just look out the output. |
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| 05:24.45 | MindaZol | out put of iwconfig: |
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| 05:28.18 | MindaZol | ra0 : |
| 05:28.20 | MindaZol | Ralink sta essid:" " Nickname:"rt2870sta" |
| 05:28.22 | MindaZol | Mode: Auto Frequency=2.412 bit rate= 1 mb/s |
| 05:28.23 | MindaZol | rts thr: off fragment thr: off |
| 05:28.25 | MindaZol | Encryption key : off |
| 05:28.28 | MindaZol | Link quality = 10/100 Signal level: 0 dbm noise level: 0 |
| 05:28.29 | MindaZol | Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt: 0 Rx invalid frag: 0 |
| 05:28.30 | MindaZol | Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid Misc: 0 Missed beacon:0 |
| 05:29.13 | somiaj | !pastebin |
| 05:29.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 05:29.50 | LtL | MindaZol: encrytion key off looks suspicious |
| 05:30.09 | MindaZol | oh sorry, should have read the rules first. :( |
| 05:30.28 | nsadmin | or think about the number of clients here :) |
| 05:31.21 | Kobaz | that's some good signal |
| 05:32.05 | MindaZol | yea 0 right now. need to configure it first. hang on. |
| 05:32.15 | rking | I'm also trying to get a $9 Ralink card going, but I'm trying to connect to an open wifi network. What Mode should it be in? I have Ad-Hoc, but I'm getting "No DHCPOFFERS". |
| 05:32.25 | somiaj | LtL: so does essid = " " |
| 05:33.00 | LtL | rking: probably infrastructure, but i could be wrong. |
| 05:33.56 | somiaj | rking: you don't want to be in ad-hoc, you want to be in managed (Assuming you are connecting to an AP right)? |
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| 05:34.17 | nsadmin | what's as hoc for? |
| 05:34.28 | MindaZol | ok so then do i edit the setting in etc/ wireless or something? |
| 05:34.32 | somiaj | connecting one wireless card to another without having an ap |
| 05:34.53 | nsadmin | so it's effectively like a crossover cable? |
| 05:35.15 | rking | somiaj: Yes, I think I had it Ad-Hoc when I was randomly trying to get it to work. So the /etc/network/interfaces should say: wireless-keymode Managed ? |
| 05:35.59 | somiaj | just wireless-mode |
| 05:37.00 | rking | Oh, man I am being sloppy. Thanks guys. |
| 05:38.05 | somiaj | nsadmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad-hoc_network (I have never actually played with one) |
| 05:39.10 | MindaZol | i think i found a solution here http://vivahate.com/2011/04/04/ralink-rt2870rt3070-in-debian-6-squeeze/ in case anyone wants to know. |
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| 05:40.42 | rking | I got net! Woohooo! |
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| 05:41.19 | rking | I don't even want to describe what I was doing to try to fix this. It was an in-depth process, let's say that. =) |
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| 06:02.56 | rking | So, I'm typing now on a Win7 laptop that is using the same Wifi as my Debian desktop, but the desktop is having extremely spotty net access. "aptitude update" gives errors for about 8/10 sources. |
| 06:03.04 | rking | Any idea what I can run to start diagnosing this? |
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| 06:20.21 | ChrisH | rking: point your browser to these URLs and check if there is a general communication issue or "only" an issue with apt-get/aptitide |
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| 06:57.53 | john__ | hi please how to list all the modules related to a kernel? |
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| 06:59.34 | tvm | john__: modprobe -l, to list all available modules |
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| 07:02.27 | john__ | tvm event if they aren't loaded in memory? |
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| 07:04.11 | tvm | john__: lsmod, if they're loaded |
| 07:04.39 | tvm | john__: modprobe -l lists *all* of them |
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| 07:10.21 | john__ | tvm sorry event if they are not loaded in memory? |
| 07:11.00 | tvm | yes. |
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| 07:22.13 | john__ | tvm i'ld like to define scripts which are started when the computer is schwitched on please how to? |
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| 07:24.22 | john__ | i'ld like to define scripts which are started when the computer is schwitched on please how to? |
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| 07:26.24 | tralala | john__, why? What do you want to change in the defaults? |
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| 07:27.43 | john__ | tralala many are loaded i just want usefull one's |
| 07:28.19 | tralala | then just uninstall the services you don't use |
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| 07:36.05 | john__ | ok |
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| 07:46.36 | debi6 | +flood |
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| 07:50.07 | debi6 | to make bcmwl5a work on debian 6.0 lenny |
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| 07:50.48 | debi6 | guidancs reqd |
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| 07:55.22 | debi6 | how to make bcmwl5a work on debian 6 |
| 07:55.59 | gnarface | debi6: bcmwl5a? what? |
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| 07:58.09 | colo-work | could be a really expensive car with some typos in its name. |
| 07:58.26 | colo-work | (probably just a wifi adapter from broadcom, though ;)) |
| 07:58.28 | gnarface | i'm assuming its some broadcom wireless bullshit |
| 07:58.30 | gnarface | yea |
| 07:58.37 | gnarface | what you said |
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| 08:00.29 | debi6 | it asks for firmware upgrade |
| 08:00.48 | gnarface | !bcmwl5a |
| 08:01.00 | gnarface | dpkg, bcmwl5a? |
| 08:01.01 | dpkg | gnarface: are you using Windows? |
| 08:01.07 | gnarface | dpkg, broadcom? |
| 08:01.07 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 08:02.02 | gnarface | debi6: i don't know what you're talking about, but if you need wifi firmware its likely in non-free. do you know what non-free is and do you have it enabled? |
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| 08:02.53 | debi6 | no i do not know non-free and hence not enabled |
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| 08:03.04 | debi6 | i am a newbee |
| 08:03.13 | gnarface | debi6: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 08:03.23 | gnarface | debi6: if you don't know what pastebin is, ask the bot |
| 08:03.37 | gnarface | debi6: if you don't know what the bot is, the bot is named dpkg in this channel |
| 08:03.47 | gnarface | debi6: what is your native language? |
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| 08:04.15 | debi6 | txs.now to know abt pastebin |
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| 08:05.25 | debi6 | english/marathi |
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| 08:08.28 | gnarface | dpkg, marathi? |
| 08:08.29 | dpkg | gnarface: i haven't a clue |
| 08:08.34 | gnarface | debi6: what is marathi? |
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| 08:08.49 | gnarface | debi6: did you pastebin your sources.list file or do you need to know what that is still? |
| 08:10.31 | debi6 | wd like to know how to paste bin |
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| 08:12.27 | gnarface | debi6: go to http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 08:18.02 | dudeladu | aptitude always installs the recommended packages. how can i avoid it? |
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| 08:21.29 | oai | What happens when you ping to a Debian server which doesn't haves a password? |
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| 08:22.24 | Dariakus | It does the same thing as if you ping a Debian server if it does have a password |
| 08:22.30 | ChrisH | oai: same as pinging a server with a pw :) |
| 08:22.37 | Dariakus | pinging is using ICMP or TCP to get a response from the server |
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| 08:22.47 | oai | no i mean |
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| 08:22.48 | oai | firewal |
| 08:22.55 | ben_ir | hi there |
| 08:23.05 | oai | what happens when you ping on a random port (e.g. 100) if the server doesn't haves a firewall? |
| 08:23.13 | Dariakus | oh |
| 08:23.31 | Dariakus | it would respond closed instead of no response at all |
| 08:23.34 | dudeladu | can anybody help me?? i am despairing of that problem... |
| 08:23.42 | Dariakus | There are three different responses, open, closed, and filtered |
| 08:23.48 | Dariakus | try it with nmap |
| 08:23.59 | oai | What is better, no response or closed? |
| 08:24.05 | Dariakus | no response is |
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| 08:24.12 | haotian | what ftp server comes installed by default with debian, when I select 'ftp server' component during debian installation. |
| 08:24.13 | Dariakus | It is best to have only one port open, 80 |
| 08:24.15 | Dariakus | or 53 |
| 08:24.37 | oai | Hmm |
| 08:24.38 | oai | Na |
| 08:24.39 | oai | nah * |
| 08:24.40 | Dariakus | Debian comes with a built-in firewall, though software firewalls are less secure than hardware |
| 08:24.41 | oai | I need more ports |
| 08:24.44 | oai | For my gameservers |
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| 08:25.02 | ben_ir | i'm having trouble here connecting to remote servers through ssh : client is wheezy's ssh, server has squeeze's. my connection stalls as soon as there's a full batch of information to send, say issuing "netstat" or "less somebigfile" |
| 08:25.29 | ben_ir | i cant seem to find the cause of all this |
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| 08:26.05 | ben_ir | on both sides the "send queue" as reportet by netstat grows indefinitedly until i force close the connection |
| 08:26.15 | oai | Dariakus: I need at least: ssh, sftp, https |
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| 08:26.19 | ben_ir | reported* even |
| 08:26.31 | oai | Do I need to open port 80 if I want people to see m website? |
| 08:27.44 | colo-work | if you plan to serve up HTTP on its default port, yes |
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| 08:28.05 | haotian | what ftp server comes installed by default with debian, when I select 'ftp server' component during debian installation. |
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| 08:29.09 | colo-work | all FTP servers suck. it's because of their protocol. |
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| 08:30.44 | ansgar | haotian: Asking on several channels at the same time is unfriendly (as you take twice time from volunteers). |
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| 08:31.39 | oai | colo-work: The problem is with that I only want to use https |
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| 08:32.47 | colo-work | oai, then you don't need port 80. https' default port is 443. your users will have to explicitely request an https URL when browsing to your website, though. |
| 08:33.01 | colo-work | if you also serve up http, you can let the http server redirect to your https server automagically. |
| 08:33.19 | oai | Hmm |
| 08:33.30 | oai | But for the last thing this means I'll have to open a port |
| 08:33.32 | oai | erm |
| 08:33.36 | oai | I'll have to open port 80 |
| 08:34.04 | haotian | colo-work :: go ahead explain a bit more |
| 08:34.06 | oai | or no? |
| 08:34.07 | oai | t |
| 08:34.22 | nitzs | I've installed the latest nvidia driver (the one from the nvidia website). But X does not start and displays "Failed to load module nvidia". |
| 08:34.24 | colo-work | haotian, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 08:34.32 | oai | l |
| 08:34.33 | oai | lol |
| 08:34.37 | oai | FtpMustDie |
| 08:34.42 | haotian | colo-work :: what about ftp over tsl ? |
| 08:34.46 | colo-work | oai, if you want to serve up HTTP on its standard port, then yes, you'll have to "open" that port. |
| 08:35.04 | colo-work | haotian, only mitigates the clear text credential transfer risks. the protocol itself still sucks. big time. |
| 08:35.36 | oai | colo-work: \Hmm, does this means I'll have to setup https for every website I have ? |
| 08:36.48 | haotian | anybody else agree with, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie#To_Summarize ? |
| 08:36.56 | colo-work | oai, if you were going to serve up HTTPS only in the first place, wouldn't that be a strict requirement anyhow? |
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| 08:37.13 | debi6 | not able to sigin out |
| 08:37.16 | oai | colo-work: what do you mean? |
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| 08:37.36 | gnarface | haotian: the only reason to keep ftp is cause luddite users need "this" type of interface to work with. there are ssh-based scp/sftp clients that provide a familiar interface for such knobs, for every operating system. the use of a shitty out-dated, insecure protocol just to justify a fear of changing interfaces is indefensible |
| 08:37.47 | colo-work | haotian, unless some valid external factor absolutely FORCES you to use FTP (dumb lusers "requiring" their shitty FTP client of choice is not a valid external factor, btw), don't use it. |
| 08:37.51 | debi6 | signing out of this chat |
| 08:37.59 | colo-work | debi6, /quit |
| 08:38.03 | boena | Hi, I am unable to make a apt-get update on my Debian Lenny box. Tried googling it but can't find the solution, anyone here who knows? |
| 08:38.09 | nitzs | anyone? |
| 08:38.28 | nitzs | boena: the serve rmight be down. |
| 08:38.29 | colo-work | boena, I think Lenny's been moved to archive |
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| 08:38.44 | debi6 | debi6, /quit |
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| 08:38.50 | gnarface | lol |
| 08:38.53 | oai | boena: read the /topic |
| 08:38.54 | oai | boena: lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; |
| 08:39.04 | colo-work | debi6, just "/quit" (without quotes on a line of its own |
| 08:39.06 | gnarface | debi6: you should have been honest with me about your native language. i *might* have been able to help you |
| 08:39.57 | debi6 | i gave u the correct languages |
| 08:40.08 | gnarface | in order? there's a clear barrier |
| 08:40.12 | oai | colo-work: i already stopped using ftp |
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| 08:40.26 | oai | But I need to find someting to lock someone down to his home dir with tp |
| 08:40.27 | oai | ftp |
| 08:40.30 | oai | sftp * |
| 08:40.31 | boena | alrighty, do I need to change in sources.list or will I no longer be able to update/install packages? Sorry, I am new to the Linux world :) |
| 08:40.43 | debi6 | i am 63 yrs old retd engineer trying to learn linux |
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| 08:40.56 | gnarface | oai: standard feature of openssh since 5.x something |
| 08:41.01 | oai | debi6: i'm a 17 year old learning security |
| 08:41.22 | oai | gnarface: uh, not really. people can go outside their home dir by simply clicking .. |
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| 08:41.31 | oai | damn ke yboard. it isn't detecting key hits |
| 08:41.36 | gnarface | oai: read the sshd_config manpage - there's a section on chrooting (it is built-in now an obsoletes other chrooted sshd tutorials online) |
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| 08:41.53 | debi6 | it takes a while to learn |
| 08:41.58 | haotian | colo-work :: does that "ftp should die" include filezilla ? |
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| 08:42.13 | gnarface | oai: i said *standard* feature. its not a *default* feature. you will have to read the man page to learn how to enable it but it is not hard |
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| 08:42.29 | gnarface | oai: and if you're studying security you should really read the sshd_config manpage anyway |
| 08:42.40 | colo-work | haotian, it means every (server-side) implementation of the FTP protocol, I presume. |
| 08:42.50 | oai | wat is chrooting? |
| 08:42.54 | colo-work | man chroot |
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| 08:43.22 | haotian | colo-work :: what is the name of technology you recommend over ftp, did you say sftp ? |
| 08:43.25 | oai | gnarface: learning != stuying |
| 08:43.34 | oai | haotian: yes, sftp is the secure thingy |
| 08:43.37 | gnarface | oai: here, learning==studying |
| 08:43.42 | oai | colo-work: don't have a box out here |
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| 08:43.44 | colo-work | haotian, sftp or http(s). |
| 08:43.48 | oai | gnarface: studying is higher level of education |
| 08:43.52 | gnarface | haotian: filezilla supports sftp last i checked |
| 08:43.58 | oai | ftp and http are old protocols imho |
| 08:43.59 | colo-work | gnarface, only the client part afaik |
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| 08:44.02 | gnarface | oai: i'm trying to make you smarter, for free. take it |
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| 08:44.04 | oai | I prefer https and sftp |
| 08:44.13 | haotian | oh yes I just checked, filezilla supports it |
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| 08:44.14 | colo-work | http is miles better than ftp. |
| 08:44.19 | gnarface | colo-work: correct, but filezilla isn't a server, is it? so that's not relevant |
| 08:44.23 | colo-work | https is just vanilla http in a TLS coating |
| 08:44.32 | haotian | ok help me now please. I installed the default ftp server coming with debian, how can I uninstall it ? |
| 08:44.32 | colo-work | gnarface, it's both client and server |
| 08:44.32 | oai | True |
| 08:44.35 | oai | But it's better |
| 08:44.39 | gnarface | colo-work: oh? didn't know that |
| 08:44.45 | oai | haotian: depends on which ftp server you installed |
| 08:44.46 | colo-work | "Filezilla FTP server" exists, but only on win32 afaik |
| 08:44.59 | colo-work | http://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server |
| 08:45.05 | oai | colo-work: they were talking about the client |
| 08:45.08 | haotian | oai :: I don't know. It's the one you choose during isntalling debian from dvd |
| 08:45.18 | debi6 | gnatface time to take your leave |
| 08:45.19 | haotian | it just says, "FTP server" nothing else |
| 08:45.28 | oai | haotian: use top |
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| 08:45.43 | haotian | explain it please, I'm linux noob |
| 08:45.44 | colo-work | haotian, I don't know what that task will install, but I'd wager it will be either proftpd or vsftpd |
| 08:45.45 | gnarface | debi6: i assume you meant that to me. the answer is no. the sunlight burns my eyes |
| 08:45.48 | oai | haotian: just type in: top |
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| 08:45.58 | oai | haotian: and look for something that says ftp |
| 08:46.09 | colo-work | pgrep -lf ftp |
| 08:46.13 | colo-work | seems like a saner approach |
| 08:46.17 | colo-work | if it's already running |
| 08:46.17 | oai | ye what colo-work says is also good |
| 08:46.19 | oai | :P |
| 08:46.38 | gnarface | debi6: you still have failed to pastebin your sources.list for us.... how exactly do you expect me to explain to you what non-free is if we have no common ground to communicate about? what did you say your native language is again? don't tell me its english. |
| 08:46.49 | oai | I'll just force my users to use https and sftp, lol |
| 08:47.01 | oai | bier: :D |
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| 08:48.04 | oai | Is there a list of things to do to make your system more secure? |
| 08:48.15 | oai | e.g. changing ssh port, don't use ftp, use sftp, only use https |
| 08:48.17 | oai | that kind of things |
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| 08:48.47 | debi6 | i am on lmde right now deb6 is on my laptop which is yet not connected to the net as the wireless connection is not being established fr the want of bcm driver |
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| 08:49.08 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 08:49.15 | gnarface | dpkg, tell debi6 about broadcom |
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| 08:49.58 | oai | dpkg, tell oai about webmin |
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| 08:50.56 | debi6 | sources.list i shall ve to copy from LT n send it to you may take time,txs fr ur time |
| 08:51.01 | oai | Anyone knows why Froxlor isn't in the free whcp ? |
| 08:51.19 | oai | debi6: what is: LT n txs fr ur ? |
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| 08:51.29 | debi6 | appreciate all that you adviced |
| 08:51.31 | oai | debi6: and what is ve ? |
| 08:51.57 | gnarface | dpkg, tell debi6 about pastebinit |
| 08:52.14 | mashed | oai: eew don't use webmin |
| 08:52.20 | oai | dpkg, tell ohai about pastebinit |
| 08:52.29 | gnarface | debi6: i recommend you plug an ethernet cable in while trying to setup wireless |
| 08:52.34 | debi6 | LT is laptop,another m/c from the 1 i am using |
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| 08:52.46 | oai | debi6: and te other words? |
| 08:52.48 | oai | the * |
| 08:52.52 | oai | mashed: why not? |
| 08:53.04 | gnarface | oai: i recommend you msg the bot directly, abrotman hates it when you talk to the bot in-channel to ask it to msg you privately |
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| 08:53.39 | mashed | oai: it produces nasty configuration files youll be sacraficing any chance to manage the software manually. |
| 08:54.35 | oai | mashed: didn't had that problems yet |
| 08:54.46 | oai | mashed: when did you tested it for the last time? |
| 08:54.54 | debi6 | other words are thanks for your time |
| 08:55.31 | mashed | oai: when i tore it out of my setup 6 months ago. |
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| 08:56.10 | oai | mashed: 6 months ago is a ong time |
| 08:56.14 | oai | long |
| 08:56.28 | mashed | its not changed - it'll never change |
| 08:56.33 | oai | It is |
| 08:56.36 | oai | and it will |
| 08:56.36 | oai | lo |
| 08:56.38 | oai | l |
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| 09:00.08 | oai | Hmm |
| 09:00.14 | oai | Many people give names to their servers |
| 09:00.23 | oai | Is this neccessary? |
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| 09:01.21 | colo-work | well, a hostname is necessary for any GNU/Linux machine to have, yes |
| 09:01.32 | colo-work | if that also corresponds to some DNS name, that is another matter entirely |
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| 09:01.41 | colo-work | (but I'd say it's good practise if it does) |
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| 09:03.29 | oai | No I mean |
| 09:03.37 | oai | some people use their hostname to identify their servers |
| 09:04.23 | mashed | oai: almost everything on the modern internet uses a hostname to identify a server. |
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| 09:06.14 | frostschutz | except for gameservers ... D: |
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| 09:06.42 | mashed | frostschutz: indeed but theres a technical reason not to use DNS there. |
| 09:07.12 | oai | no I mean |
| 09:11.27 | oai | to identify the server |
| 09:11.29 | oai | e.g. give it some name |
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| 09:12.37 | mashed | oai: you mean like my servers are named after nintendo characters? |
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| 09:13.35 | valdyn | like a hostname is not a domain name, and a hostname is hardly ever relevant to the outside |
| 09:14.42 | dagwod | hi guys, i have a question.., i install PROFTP, i remove him from rc2.d, but it keep starting alone (not when the system start) |
| 09:14.59 | mashed | oai: as colo-work said every GNU/Linux machine must have a hostname. It does not need to correspond to DNS in any way (email is one exception to this). |
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| 09:15.45 | mashed | dagwod: use update-rc.d command |
| 09:16.03 | mashed | dagwod: eg update-rc.d proftpd off |
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| 09:17.03 | mashed | dagwod: eg update-rc.d proftpd remove - not off |
| 09:17.18 | dagwod | mashed: yes i remove him with update-rc.d, but i have to use insserv |
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| 09:18.12 | dagwod | when i start the system it not starts anymore, but it start...after.... |
| 09:18.13 | fredl | morning folks |
| 09:18.32 | fredl | I just installed Debian on my Conceptronics CH3SNAS appliance |
| 09:18.34 | haotian | does, TLS encryption 'ALSO' in datachannel, make ftp secure ? |
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| 09:18.57 | gotmynick | Hello |
| 09:19.03 | valdyn | dagwod: instead of removing the SXYlinks you need to add KXY link to each runlevel |
| 09:19.04 | mashed | dagwod: I can't help then - anything could be causing that. Have you checked cron(tab) for proftp commands? |
| 09:19.28 | fredl | I set up the NFS kernel server on it but the performance is horrible from what I can tell |
| 09:19.48 | gotmynick | why should I (or should not) care about using -net nic,model=virtio in kvm ? |
| 09:19.56 | valdyn | dagwod: See "A common system administration error" in the manpage |
| 09:20.27 | dagwod | oki, thks |
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| 09:20.47 | valdyn | gotmynick: Im sure you can do fine without networking too |
| 09:20.49 | oai | mashed: yes, but it gtg |
| 09:20.50 | oai | sorry |
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| 09:21.12 | mashed | fredl: are you referencing the server from dns or IP address? |
| 09:21.18 | gotmynick | valdyn, I'm getting the same performance, with virtio_net driver than with 8139 |
| 09:21.43 | valdyn | gotmynick: so? is that bad? |
| 09:21.51 | gotmynick | it's a br + tap in the host, and I get the same iperf ammounts, on host (br0), and on virtual machines with both drivers |
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| 09:22.25 | gotmynick | no... I just readed about performance in the kvm wiki... maybe I can skip defining such driver |
| 09:22.41 | mashed | fredl: keep in mind that if you are using DNS you must resolve the hostname on each IO request. So use IP address. |
| 09:22.44 | gotmynick | less job is not bad :-) |
| 09:23.24 | gotmynick | also their instructions about rebuilding the initrd are not needed in squeeze |
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| 09:23.38 | gotmynick | the virtio drivers are loaded without doing it |
| 09:23.39 | fredl | mashed: you mean in the mount statement? |
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| 09:23.58 | mashed | fredl: yes in the mount statement AND in /etc/exports on the server |
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| 09:24.15 | fredl | mashed: hmm, will experiment with that, tnx |
| 09:24.34 | mashed | fredl: np |
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| 09:25.05 | fredl | mashed: I tried a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/testfile bs=16k count=16384' |
| 09:25.15 | gotmynick | valdyn, can you tell me the same for virtio_blk? can I skip benchmarks, definition in vm, etc? |
| 09:25.19 | fredl | shows 8.5MB/s over a gig interface. |
| 09:27.10 | fredl | mashed: mounting from fstab using the IP address instead of the server name results in identical throughput. |
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| 09:28.55 | ChrisH | I accidently did a splt view in KDE Terminal/Konsole... How to unsplit it? |
| 09:29.52 | daemonkeeper | View > split view |
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| 09:32.28 | ChrisH | View > split view -> Close Active did the trick |
| 09:32.58 | fredl | good god, apparently its not (entirely) hardware related. I just tried that dd command on my Core i7 NFS server. Write speed is only 11.6 MB/s |
| 09:33.28 | fredl | isn't that about 10% of what one would expect at the pure maximum over a gig interface?? |
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| 09:33.52 | jelly | fredl: are you sure your link is up at 1Gbps speed. |
| 09:34.02 | fredl | jelly - yup. |
| 09:34.09 | colo-work | my personal NFS server pushes and pulls about 115MB/s over its gigE interface |
| 09:34.37 | jelly | fredl: both at the client and the server end, and everything in between? |
| 09:34.38 | fredl | jelly - using a bridge on both the server and client though, think that might decrease performance somehow? |
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| 09:35.04 | colo-work | my server has a bridged config (eth0 and several TUN/TAP devices) as well. |
| 09:35.24 | jelly | fredl: can you get better speed with iperf or some other benchmark tool? |
| 09:35.40 | fredl | colo-work, I only bridged the interface for KVM so no rocket science there |
| 09:35.52 | colo-work | yeah, I assumed so much. |
| 09:36.07 | colo-work | you are benchmarking transfer speeds between the _physical_ hosts though, right? |
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| 09:36.21 | jelly | 11.6 MB/s sounds pretty much like 100Mbps |
| 09:36.37 | colo-work | because if you were using rtl8139 emulated networking hw in the guest, that's instantly explain everything :) |
| 09:36.41 | colo-work | that'd* |
| 09:36.49 | fredl | yeah physical hosts. |
| 09:36.59 | fredl | hang on lemme give iperf a try. |
| 09:37.05 | gotmynick | I've just benchmarked eth0 Vs br0 + 10 taps here, some minutes ago, and no difference (100Mbps lan here) |
| 09:37.25 | gotmynick | so we could say that bridge is not "so much" noticeable |
| 09:37.44 | mashed | fredl: 8.5MB/s isn't terrible. NFS has never been renouned for speed. There are a few hacks that can be made such as putting the server in to Kernel mode |
| 09:37.57 | fredl | 8.5MB/s is terrible :) |
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| 09:38.07 | colo-work | eh? nfs is blazingly fast compared to, say, SMB/CIFS (v1) |
| 09:38.41 | fredl | iperf gives 95 Mbits/sec.... |
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| 09:38.55 | fredl | so looks to me something is deadly wrong there. |
| 09:39.03 | jelly | fredl: so figure out which part of the connection is 100Mbps |
| 09:39.21 | fredl | uhuh. |
| 09:39.28 | fredl | not good :P |
| 09:39.40 | fredl | no wonder I got the impression my network is kinda sluggish, LOL |
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| 09:41.00 | colo-work | fast ethernet is plenty for everything that isn't bulk transfer, for most casual users. |
| 09:41.18 | colo-work | I wouldn't settle for that either, though ;) |
| 09:42.15 | fredl | aha, found the culprit. weird. |
| 09:42.41 | colo-work | what was it? |
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| 09:43.24 | fredl | my recently installed desktop PC |
| 09:43.37 | fredl | seems to autonegotiate to 100Mb/s |
| 09:43.55 | fredl | peculiar... grmbl |
| 09:45.11 | mashed | fredl: dodgey cable? |
| 09:45.35 | SomeoneWeird | lol fastethernet |
| 09:45.36 | SomeoneWeird | :S |
| 09:46.03 | jelly | it's pretty obvious from the speed being bound to almost exactly the 100Mbps limit |
| 09:46.27 | colo-work | jelly, but he was COMPLETELY SURE!!! that the link speed were 1GBit/s! |
| 09:46.28 | mashed | you have me benchmarking my NFS too now |
| 09:46.30 | colo-work | ;) |
| 09:46.41 | mashed | 26.2MB/s |
| 09:47.03 | jelly | colo-work: imagine that, users lying about the situation! That never happens. |
| 09:47.14 | colo-work | UNpossible. |
| 09:47.25 | Iridos | jelly, that or goverments going into debt |
| 09:47.34 | ChrisH | What did you change? Nothing! |
| 09:47.39 | colo-work | hehe |
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| 09:49.57 | fredl | shaddap colo-work :P |
| 09:50.28 | fredl | I recently installed this workstation and I guess I never verified that it actually autonegotiated properly :P |
| 09:50.41 | fredl | RTL8105e, hrmmm... |
| 09:51.07 | fredl | I could have simply checked the bloody 1000Mbps LED on the switch sitting next to me :P |
| 09:51.23 | Arafangion | You have lights!? |
| 09:51.37 | fredl | yes :P |
| 09:51.53 | Arafangion | Wealthy bastard! |
| 09:51.59 | fredl | so sue me alright, I put the switch out of sight. |
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| 09:52.51 | fredl | nah, not a dodgey cable mashed, unless I have two dodgey cables. |
| 09:53.27 | fredl | I guess I'm just going to have to force the RTL8105e into gig mode |
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| 09:55.24 | JyZyXEL | i remember once noticing that intel's gigabit drivers had order of magnitude more code than realteks |
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| 09:56.22 | JyZyXEL | back in Etch where a realtek gigabit nic was causing horrible latency issues |
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| 09:57.24 | fredl | ohmygosh... |
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| 09:58.05 | fredl | ethtool says the supported link modes for this card are 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full and 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full !!! |
| 09:58.13 | fredl | wtf... |
| 09:59.07 | mashed | lol |
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| 09:59.55 | fredl | I don't think so.... |
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| 10:00.38 | Feathery_Serpent | Are there alternatives to lm-sensors? |
| 10:00.51 | fredl | would be rather obnoxious on a Core i7 mainboard with h61 chipset. |
| 10:00.58 | fredl | so Linux is wrong... |
| 10:01.00 | fredl | hrm |
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| 10:01.19 | Arafangion | fredl: Linux is *always* right! |
| 10:01.37 | Iridos | nah, wikipedia is always right |
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| 10:01.46 | fredl | yeah but this is really bizarre... this is my mainboard http://www.msi.com/product/mb/H61M-P23--B3-.html#/?div=Detail |
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| 10:02.00 | fredl | says Atheros AR8151 |
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| 10:02.23 | fredl | Linux sees a Realtek RTL8101E in lspci |
| 10:02.48 | JyZyXEL | that is quite alarming |
| 10:02.56 | Feathery_Serpent | fredl: Sometimes, drivers are the same and just renamed between manufacturers. |
| 10:03.08 | gnarface | lspci never lies |
| 10:03.11 | gnarface | atheros on the other hand.... |
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| 10:03.27 | gnarface | its more or less their standard business model |
| 10:04.10 | fredl | wait... P22, not P23 |
| 10:04.35 | fredl | *scream* |
| 10:04.49 | fredl | and that *does* have a 10/100 ethernet! |
| 10:05.07 | fredl | oh my gosh... I'm a gonna kill that PC vendor. |
| 10:05.10 | JyZyXEL | sweet, now you can buy a proper NIC |
| 10:05.27 | gnarface | i like stuff that uses the tulip driver |
| 10:05.32 | gnarface | :-P |
| 10:05.35 | colo-work | lol |
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| 10:05.41 | fredl | hehe |
| 10:05.46 | gnarface | its my favorite cause its named after a flower |
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| 10:06.47 | gnarface | fredl: see now, if you'd just run windows you may have never noticed the difference. now you know why linux is evil and must be destroyed |
| 10:06.55 | nirve | exit |
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| 10:12.35 | fredl | agreed. |
| 10:12.43 | fredl | I just called the guy who sold me the PC :P |
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| 10:13.02 | gnarface | lemme guess, he's as surprised as you are? |
| 10:13.10 | fredl | not amused with this, how am I going to stream my HD porn over a 100Mpbs link? |
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| 10:13.38 | fredl | yeah sure, LOL, he advertises a P25 on his site, I for some reason think it is a P23 and it is a P22. |
| 10:13.41 | JyZyXEL | with h264 |
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| 10:17.15 | fredl | the only difference between those boards is the NIC |
| 10:17.20 | fredl | it would seem... |
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| 10:17.39 | fredl | oh well he's going to call me back and give me another motherboard. |
| 10:17.53 | fredl | just... he does not longer have P25's it would seem. |
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| 10:18.37 | colo-work | fredl, `dmidecode` should know which board you have got. or the board's CMOS setup. |
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| 10:23.19 | rking | ChrisH: Thanks for the reply. I rebooted and now I'm getting a better speed. I don't know why that would be the case, but I don't know if it's something the drivers needed or something. |
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| 10:27.46 | haotian | does it look alright ? http://ideone.com/dSql2 |
| 10:28.01 | haotian | how can I perform an update on file-server/web-server |
| 10:29.18 | Ticho | how about "aptitude full-upgrade" ? |
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| 10:30.48 | Ticho | actually, tasksel should take care of it by itself when you install a task |
| 10:30.48 | nsadmin | haotian, what's a "it"? |
| 10:32.49 | ajithkanu | I press Alt-F7 to get into X from tty without any success. "chvt 7" and "Alt+aroww keys" are working though.can any one please point me to right direction? |
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| 10:33.29 | [jasper] | hej guys |
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| 10:33.40 | [jasper] | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
| 10:33.42 | [jasper] | is tht norml? |
| 10:34.12 | [jasper] | normal even |
| 10:34.17 | vz2icarly | hello all |
| 10:34.30 | haotian | Ticho :: I don't get what you mean. I asked if that servers listed look alright. Or I still need to install some missing stuff. |
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| 10:35.01 | Ticho | those commands just tell tasksel to list packages which belong to those tasks |
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| 10:35.06 | Ticho | you did not change anything on your server |
| 10:35.10 | ansgar | [jasper]: Lenny is dead. Fromt he topic: lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:35.52 | Ticho | haotian: try "man tasksel" |
| 10:36.43 | vz2icarly | i have installed debian linux onto an external hdd, now the question is where to find a boot cd that will detect the external hdd and give option to boot from usb or boot from local hdd (older pc no boot usb support) |
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| 10:38.15 | vz2icarly | anyone got this one? |
| 10:38.21 | [jasper] | omg...lenny no longer supported |
| 10:38.23 | [jasper] | that's messed up |
| 10:38.34 | colo-work | eh? it's perfectly normal. |
| 10:39.55 | Shadur | That's what happens X years after release. |
| 10:39.57 | Ticho | jasonmc: it's not like it was a secret, the EOL date was known a long while ago |
| 10:40.00 | Ticho | crap |
| 10:40.03 | Ticho | [jasper]: ^^ |
| 10:40.26 | vz2icarly | anyone out there know this one? |
| 10:40.50 | Shadur | Everyone is informed well in advance so you have plenty of time to test the upgrade to squeeze on a non-production system first. |
| 10:41.14 | [jasper] | crosses fingers and hopes update will go ok |
| 10:42.05 | vz2icarly | i have installed debian linux onto an external hdd, now the question is where to find a boot cd that will detect the external hdd and give option to boot from usb or boot from local hdd (older pc no boot usb support) |
| 10:42.32 | nsadmin | [jasper], had to happen one of these days |
| 10:42.42 | [jasper] | guess so nsadmin |
| 10:42.46 | themill | [jasper]: reading the release notes is a better plan than "hoping" the upgrade will work |
| 10:42.52 | [jasper] | ;) |
| 10:42.54 | nsadmin | specifically, that day is feb 6 :) |
| 10:42.55 | [jasper] | I'm a risk taker |
| 10:42.55 | themill | dpkg: tell [jasper] about lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:43.05 | [jasper] | nothing important on the server anyways |
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| 10:43.38 | nsadmin | up to you... and I've got an etch remote out there somewhere |
| 10:43.40 | [jasper] | should have taken a vmware snapshot before I started updting though 8/ |
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| 10:43.49 | vz2icarly | someone... enyone? |
| 10:44.06 | nsadmin | twoone? |
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| 10:45.09 | nsadmin | vz2icarly, there are lots of options to boot |
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| 10:46.53 | vz2icarly | nsadmin, I need a boot cd that i can just pop it in, plug in usb hdd and go from thee, (no changes to physical machine excetp for those written to usb |
| 10:47.46 | nsadmin | what I do is put grub on my internal, and since both the internal and external both have lvm, I I have to pvscan and vgchange -a y |
| 10:47.55 | vz2icarly | nsadmin what would you recoimend? |
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| 10:48.46 | [jasper] | hmm that sucks..forgot I was running my irc bots on that server |
| 10:48.52 | nsadmin | well I dunno... first let's look at the boot cd thing |
| 10:48.53 | [jasper] | it just rebooted :( |
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| 10:49.33 | nsadmin | what has you wanting that particular solution? |
| 10:50.06 | vz2icarly | someone? anyone?... there has to be a solution |
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| 10:51.00 | nsadmin | probably it would be helpful if you calmed down and answer the questions I'm posingt |
| 10:51.56 | Mmike | If iostat -x shows 100% disk utilization, and I don't see any r/s or w/s (also iotop shows nothing), could this be a hardware issue? |
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| 10:56.37 | [jasper] | nice |
| 10:56.43 | [jasper] | mysql stopped functioning after updte to squeeze |
| 10:56.54 | themill | dpkg: tell [jasper] about mysql squeeze |
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| 10:57.25 | [jasper] | hmm thx themill |
| 10:57.30 | [jasper] | thta's probably whta's happening |
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| 11:00.03 | SomeoneWeird | dpkg: tell SomeoneWeird about mysql squeeze |
| 11:00.07 | SomeoneWeird | :p |
| 11:00.42 | themill | you can just /msg dpkg $keywords |
| 11:01.05 | fishsponge | hey people - does anyone know if a "HP Laserjet Pro 400 color M451dn" will work with my "latest version" debian box? |
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| 11:01.16 | fishsponge | bit of a specific question, I know, but i have no idea how to find out... |
| 11:01.27 | SomeoneWeird | ahk themill |
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| 11:02.41 | themill | fishsponge: the openprinting website gives good compatability information |
| 11:03.19 | fishsponge | thanks, themill - just found it as you replied! www.hp.com/go/LaserJetPro-m451 |
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| 11:05.48 | ajithkanu | can any one please tell me why "Alt+F7" is not working to bring X from tty on lenny? |
| 11:05.50 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 11:05.51 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.10-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; sid: 9.1+129; wheezy: 9.1+129 |
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| 11:06.37 | nsadmin | hmm, no 9.x for sque3eze |
| 11:06.46 | nsadmin | squeeze |
| 11:07.04 | themill | there's postgresql-9.x in squeeze-backports |
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| 11:07.37 | nsadmin | ahh, did the bot just show it? |
| 11:07.44 | [jasper] | themill proftpd also fails after update from lenny to squeeze? |
| 11:08.04 | themill | nsadmin: because it's got a different package name |
| 11:08.08 | themill | ,names postgresql-9.? --release squeeze-backports |
| 11:08.09 | judd | Search for postgresql-9.? in squeeze-backports/i386: postgresql-9.0 9.0.7-1~bpo60+1; postgresql-9.1 9.1.3-2~bpo60+1 |
| 11:08.10 | slikts | is it possible to have passwordless and keyless login with ssh? |
| 11:08.24 | nsadmin | names? is that new |
| 11:08.28 | BtbN | sounds like a realy realy bad idea, slikts |
| 11:08.31 | themill | nsadmin: not at all |
| 11:08.44 | slikts | BtbN: it would be for a local vm |
| 11:08.53 | themill | [jasper]: no idea. ftpd are failures at the best of times. |
| 11:09.23 | slikts | BtbN: it's just a bother to use keys with putty |
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| 11:10.14 | slikts | nvm, I'll just use keys |
| 11:10.37 | BtbN | or set a password like "1" |
| 11:11.43 | mashed | slikts: do you not use pagent? |
| 11:11.58 | slikts | mashed: yes, I'll use that |
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| 11:12.04 | slikts | mashed: it's pageant |
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| 11:12.53 | mashed | alternatively use cygwin to get a proper [sic] shell you can ssh from |
| 11:12.57 | slikts | ew |
| 11:13.04 | slikts | no |
| 11:13.08 | mashed | heh |
| 11:13.23 | slikts | that's why I have a vm so I could have proper *nix things instead of cygwin |
| 11:13.58 | slikts | cygwin makes me allergic |
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| 11:15.34 | mashed | haha. I wouldn't suggest you use it. I know it sucks. |
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| 11:19.26 | gionnico | i'm creating a software raid |
| 11:19.39 | gionnico | should I use mdadm with 0.90 metadata if i'm using grub-1.99 ? |
| 11:20.47 | SomeoneWeird | hrmm can someone help, http://owely.com/9qifxA |
| 11:21.30 | [jasper] | anyone here got experience with oidentd? |
| 11:21.42 | themill | SomeoneWeird: /topic |
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| 11:23.54 | koisoke | !anyone |
| 11:23.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 11:25.47 | jelly | gionnico: 0.9 and 1.0 ought to work even with grub from squeeze. I have not tested whether 1.2 format works with grub2 1.99 |
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| 11:28.16 | [jasper] | hej guys, anyone got a clue how I cn see if oidentd is functioning properly? |
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| 11:28.57 | guardian1 | is there a way to get a readonly bind mount in /etc/fstab? |
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| 11:33.40 | koisoke | jasper: http://www.anta.net/misc/telnet-troubleshooting/ident.shtml |
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| 11:36.56 | nsadmin | guardian, take a look at man mount and man 5 fstab |
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| 11:39.10 | [jasper] | koisoke keep getting: :ERROR:NO-USER |
| 11:39.33 | [jasper] | don't see why |
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| 11:40.24 | [jasper] | anyone who can help me out here? |
| 11:40.46 | project2501a | is there a dash programming guide? |
| 11:41.11 | project2501a | or a comparison chart between dash and ash/bash/sh/csh ? |
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| 11:45.23 | themill | project2501a: /msg dpkg dash; the tools and wiki link there are useful |
| 11:46.47 | D-Boy | how to get how many hours a harddisk has been switched on ? |
| 11:47.01 | gionnico | D-Boy, you can try hdparm -I /dev/sdX |
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| 11:47.26 | gionnico | ah no that will not read S.M.A.R.T. |
| 11:47.42 | gionnico | you need a smart reader tool like smartmontools |
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| 11:48.04 | D-Boy | gionnico : with smartmontools your command will work ? |
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| 11:48.27 | koisoke | [jasper]: what happens when you ssh to localhost, get the port pair, telnet to localhost:auth and ask with port 22 being the second one in the pair |
| 11:49.32 | gionnico | D-Boy, no you call smartmontools directly :) |
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| 11:49.53 | koisoke | [jasper]: if you ask identd from a different ip than the connection you're identing was made you will get a no user error |
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| 11:54.11 | shmeg | 121.130.240.156:808 |
| 11:54.14 | shmeg | oops |
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| 11:56.30 | D-Boy | gionnico : perfect ! thx :) |
| 11:57.45 | [jasper] | hej guys, my identd server stopped working when I updated from lenny to squeeze |
| 11:57.48 | [jasper] | any clues why? |
| 11:58.05 | ksk | is there "stopped working" in syslog? :> |
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| 11:58.20 | [jasper] | keep getting" [TAL.DE.EU.GameSurge.net] 41401 , 6667 : ERROR : NO-USER |
| 11:58.21 | colo-work | hehe |
| 11:58.25 | [jasper] | while nothing changed in config file... |
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| 11:59.05 | SomeoneWeird | is squeeze the very latest? |
| 11:59.15 | SomeoneWeird | like is there a development version you can update to or something? |
| 11:59.44 | ksk | tell SomeoneWeird about versions |
| 11:59.51 | ksk | mhm, jsut a wild quess :x |
| 12:00.08 | SomeoneWeird | dpkg: tell SomeoneWeird about versions |
| 12:00.09 | ksk | tell SomeoneWeird about releases |
| 12:00.13 | ksk | !tell SomeoneWeird about releases |
| 12:00.20 | ksk | wokrs :) |
| 12:00.58 | SomeoneWeird | thanks |
| 12:01.42 | [jasper] | any clues how I can see which local ports are binded to which user? |
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| 12:01.53 | koisoke | [jasper]: netstat |
| 12:02.22 | [jasper] | koisoke how does tht show me the actual user.. |
| 12:02.26 | [jasper] | need to solve this identd problem |
| 12:02.37 | mah454 | I need disable load module at system startup ! |
| 12:02.54 | mah454 | How can do this ? |
| 12:02.57 | mah454 | kernel module .... |
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| 12:06.52 | vz2icarly | hello, i was wondering is there a boot cd i can use to get debian up and runningn to gui (haver older pc no boot from usb )(installed debian onto externam usb hdd)) |
| 12:07.07 | homes | yes. |
| 12:07.12 | [jasper] | koisoke how can i see with netstat which users uses port? |
| 12:07.35 | koisoke | jasonmc: netstat -e |
| 12:07.38 | koisoke | er jasper |
| 12:07.49 | mashed | mah454: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 12:07.50 | homes | vz2icarly: have you tried googling for 'debian' 'live' 'cd'.... |
| 12:08.18 | koisoke | [jasper]: I did not know that right off by the way, but it was in netstat --help |
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| 12:09.52 | Daedeloth | greetings |
| 12:09.57 | vz2icarly | no, i would like to run debian from usb hdd so that i can customize it to my liking as well as to have all my files follow me (plug usb into pc, boot from cd, cd mounts root fs on usb drive, then passes controll to kernel) |
| 12:10.01 | Daedeloth | I'm tyring to install dropbox on a debian server |
| 12:10.14 | Daedeloth | so I used a module someone wrote |
| 12:10.25 | Daedeloth | problem is, when I call update-rc.d, I get following error: |
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| 12:10.32 | Daedeloth | insserv: There is a loop between service mediatomb and dropbox if stopped |
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| 12:10.44 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:10.56 | Daedeloth | I don't get what's wrong, because the modules are quite straight forward |
| 12:10.59 | Posterdati | how can I exclude a package from apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:11.34 | bastidrazor | Posterdati: pin it. |
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| 12:11.36 | vz2icarly | homes you got answer for my situastion? |
| 12:11.52 | themill | Posterdati: use aptitude and either temporarily hold it or forbid-version the newer version |
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| 12:11.57 | Posterdati | bastidrazor: how? |
| 12:12.01 | homes | vz2icarly: yeah, debian live does all that. |
| 12:12.12 | project2501a | themill: thanks! |
| 12:12.23 | vz2icarly | homes link please? |
| 12:12.36 | bastidrazor | Posterdati: echo PACKAGE hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:12.43 | homes | palms face and goes to sleep |
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| 12:14.06 | Posterdati | themill: I've got problem with eagle and eagle-data, dist-upgrade remove eagle and install a new version of eagle-data |
| 12:14.13 | Darkbulb | I am having a problem with a directly connected hp color laserjet 2550l via lpt1. Debian 6.01 is refusing to print documents because the printer is in a paused state. I cleared the queue and enabled the printer. lpc confirms the printer is now online and ready. I sent a testpage with openoffice and the printer still will just give an error sending the job. Tests run on the printer itself are okay and no changes were made to the lpt1 bio |
| 12:14.13 | Darkbulb | s settings |
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| 12:14.46 | Darkbulb | still no printing |
| 12:15.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Posterdati about bat |
| 12:15.55 | homes | vz2icarly: http://live-manual.debian.net/manual-2.x/html/live-manual.en.html#498 not exactly what you were thinking but the end result is much the same |
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| 12:26.38 | WormFood | http://i.imgur.com/dM5ed.png Impressive...when do we get our debian port to this platform? |
| 12:27.40 | abrotman | start your own |
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| 12:29.05 | ksk | is it a "normal" behaviour that processes get oom-killed if swap is still unused? |
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| 12:29.29 | derebel | WormFood, just my opinion but i dont see much use for it, anything more than a straight linux kernel and a language parser is a bit much for a microcontroller |
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| 12:33.58 | ws2k3 | hi |
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| 12:34.09 | ws2k3 | when i try to start my mysql server it says no space left on device |
| 12:34.58 | nocturnal | check the volume sizes with df -h |
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| 12:35.44 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/S8EBLvrs |
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| 12:36.32 | nocturnal | looks good, maybe you're out if inodes. just speculation though. hard to diagnose a system by proxy. |
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| 12:36.49 | A_I_ | hello |
| 12:36.55 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 12:37.19 | [jasper] | hej guys, I updated debian from lenny to squeee...now my identd server isn't functioning anymore...or rather it is....when I use telnet to connect to irc....the identd server works fine and I can connect |
| 12:37.21 | nocturnal | ws2k3: I would check system logs, check mysql logs, try to get more verbose information. |
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| 12:37.26 | A_I_ | does someone have any suggestion about what I can do against virused computers that Dos attack my DHCP server ? |
| 12:37.31 | [jasper] | but when I run my java program under the same user, the idend doesn't work |
| 12:37.33 | [jasper] | any clues why? |
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| 12:37.54 | ws2k3 | when i do ./mysql start it just says open: No space left on device |
| 12:38.07 | grawity | [jasper]: would you mind answering the question I've asked about this in ##linux? |
| 12:38.31 | themill | ws2k3: well that sounds like a pretty clear error message |
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| 12:38.43 | ws2k3 | themill but i checked the disk so far it seems not full |
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| 12:39.01 | nocturnal | and no inode errors in messages? |
| 12:39.12 | koisoke | [jasper]: are you sure the java irc client isn't just reporting the wrong ident vs what identd is reporting? |
| 12:39.20 | A_I_ | ws2k3 it may be to much inodes |
| 12:39.27 | ws2k3 | how should i check? |
| 12:39.34 | nocturnal | grep -i inode /var/log/messages |
| 12:39.45 | nocturnal | or daemon.log |
| 12:39.46 | A_I_ | df -i |
| 12:39.49 | A_I_ | for inodes |
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| 12:40.08 | A_I_ | any idea about my DHCP dos attack ? |
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| 12:40.19 | ws2k3 | with the grep command i get nothing |
| 12:40.27 | nocturnal | df -i is a much better suggestion |
| 12:40.40 | A_I_ | the problem is that I have a huge of DHCPREQUEST and /var/log/syslog is growing up |
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| 12:40.49 | themill | ws2k3: the output of "df" in a pastebin would be interesting to see |
| 12:40.51 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/PVtWpd7j |
| 12:41.00 | ws2k3 | noctunal i did a df -i |
| 12:41.02 | A_I_ | until /var/log partition is full |
| 12:41.23 | nocturnal | A_I_: if you're truly being attacked then it's either resource exhaustion or a vulnerability. the latter can be fixed by upgrading or patching. the former is much harder. companies sell super expensive DDoS filters but the common man is mostly on their own. |
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| 12:41.38 | koisoke | [jasper]: connect to irc.epilogue.org and i will tell you what ident says |
| 12:41.46 | nocturnal | if you have a packet filter you can filter out a whole block of ips that is sending junk |
| 12:41.58 | nocturnal | I've only ever done this on openbsd, so I don't know how on debian. |
| 12:42.01 | A_I_ | nocturnal it is a network in a big school |
| 12:42.05 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/4RmwjeGA |
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| 12:42.13 | ChrisH | ws2k3: yout /tmp is out of inodes... UNIX in general does not like that |
| 12:42.27 | A_I_ | and students and teachers brings their laptop full of viruses and plug it into the school's lan |
| 12:42.34 | ChrisH | ws2k3: 2nd one looks better |
| 12:42.47 | A_I_ | then I have many many DHCPREQUESTs |
| 12:42.56 | ws2k3 | so what shall i do next |
| 12:42.57 | c_m | Hi there. Can sed be applied bytewise without buffering. Or is there another tool? |
| 12:43.03 | ChrisH | A_I_: can you find something in common with these DHCP reqs using tcpdump/wireshard? |
| 12:43.34 | Trewas | ws2k3: delete files from /tmp so that you get some inodes freed |
| 12:43.36 | A_I_ | I would like to iptables -j DROP mac address that makes too much DHCPREQUEST |
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| 12:43.57 | A_I_ | but I don't know an iptables rule that count requests |
| 12:44.33 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 12:44.45 | ws2k3 | in /tmp i have files like ess_6dr9okcrij6cgmad9l6huvfel0 |
| 12:44.48 | mashed | A_I_: iptables -nv |
| 12:44.53 | ws2k3 | and sess_cr16n2oplk3vh02f5iaoj5b0t7 |
| 12:45.03 | mashed | A_I_: This will show you how many times each rule has been hit |
| 12:45.31 | ws2k3 | can i remove them all ? |
| 12:45.34 | mashed | A_I_: oh that's not what you're asking |
| 12:45.40 | A_I_ | :-) |
| 12:45.47 | grawity | ws2k3: those are PHP session files, they are usually cleaned up automatically after some time |
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| 12:46.08 | A_I_ | I want iptables to count DHCPREQUEST and DROP it if it exceeds a certain number per minutes |
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| 12:46.22 | ws2k3 | how shoul di remove all files ? |
| 12:46.26 | ws2k3 | just rm * ? |
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| 12:46.50 | abrotman | ws2k3: don't remove those |
| 12:46.55 | Iridos | ws2k3, somewhere, you have 124928 files in /tmp... |
| 12:47.07 | mashed | A_I_: that is accomplished with a module called limit |
| 12:47.24 | A_I_ | ws2k3 find files older than one day to begin |
| 12:47.26 | ChrisH | ws2k3: You might want to boot if possible. Thats most probably the fastest way to get out |
| 12:47.36 | ws2k3 | how |
| 12:47.44 | ws2k3 | chrish just a reboot ? |
| 12:47.49 | mashed | A_I_: iptables -s 1.2.3.4 -p udp -m limit --limit 4/second -j ACCEPT |
| 12:47.51 | A_I_ | find /tmp -ctime +1 ? |
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| 12:48.20 | ws2k3 | then i get a very long list if i do that |
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| 12:48.24 | ws2k3 | A_i_ |
| 12:49.02 | ChrisH | ws2k3: If you did not change special stuff, your debian shpuld clean /tmp during boot |
| 12:49.03 | A_I_ | then add -delete :-) |
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| 12:49.44 | ChrisH | ws2k3: and you might wnat to plan recrating the filesystem with more inodes... |
| 12:50.28 | Iridos | well... maybe. Might be he just once ran some weird program that created files in /tmp like crazy |
| 12:50.43 | A_I_ | find /tmp -ctime +1 -type f -delete |
| 12:50.50 | A_I_ | be carefull ! |
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| 12:51.34 | A_I_ | thanks mashed ! |
| 12:51.52 | mashed | :-) |
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| 12:53.52 | ws2k3 | well i emtyed /tmp |
| 12:53.59 | ws2k3 | and now the mysql serve ris up again |
| 12:54.10 | ws2k3 | what are inodes ? |
| 12:54.20 | mashed | file discriptors |
| 12:54.50 | mashed | there is a finite ammount on any ext(2/3/4) file system |
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| 12:54.57 | ws2k3 | so i just need a bigger /tmp ? |
| 12:54.59 | ws2k3 | am i right ? |
| 12:55.03 | ChrisH | ws2k3: no |
| 12:55.05 | mashed | no |
| 12:55.15 | mashed | its determined when the partition is formatted |
| 12:55.18 | ChrisH | ws2k3: just more inodes... ask google on this |
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| 12:56.11 | ChrisH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2#Inodes explains what inodes are and why we need them... to many text to explain here :) |
| 12:56.12 | mashed | ws2k3: alternatively look in to TMPFS for your /tmp |
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| 12:57.50 | ChrisH | If there is enough RAM installed thats a good idea |
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| 13:03.27 | abrotman | ws2k3: have you considered hiring a system admin ? |
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| 13:05.00 | ChrisH | abrotman: That cannot be an important system, otherwise there would be one :) |
| 13:05.22 | abrotman | you'd be surprised |
| 13:06.09 | ChrisH | abrotman: I choose I words very well... normally I use them as follow: That system cannot be important otherwise you would habe setup a cluster |
| 13:06.49 | themill | wonders why php session files were in /tmp not /var/lib/php5/ |
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| 13:07.25 | A_I_ | hum iptables v1.4.1.1: limit does not support invert |
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| 13:07.33 | A_I_ | what's the pb ? |
| 13:07.55 | mashed | pb? |
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| 13:08.46 | [jasper] | guys, there must be something wrong with the debian upgrde from lenny to squeeze.... |
| 13:08.51 | [jasper] | cn you please take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/KFTzhiGh |
| 13:09.01 | [jasper] | that's a simple setup I did to show the difference.... |
| 13:09.07 | boudiccas | i've just reinstalled squeeze and copied over my backup of /home but i find that it has all root permissions. what is the chown command to change it please? |
| 13:09.08 | [jasper] | the java sockets suddenly don't work with identd anymore? |
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| 13:10.11 | colo-work | boudiccas, `chown -R <user>:<group> <paths>` |
| 13:10.34 | colo-work | [jasper], are you really in need of accurate ident responses? |
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| 13:11.10 | boudiccas | colo-work, so it cant be done directory-wide then? |
| 13:11.11 | [jasper] | colo-work I'm in need of ANY ident response |
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| 13:11.19 | [jasper] | it doesn't have to be correct |
| 13:11.24 | [jasper] | but to connect to quakenet they require a working ident |
| 13:11.40 | colo-work | boudiccas, sure it can. <paths> is to be substituted with a list of directories |
| 13:11.49 | colo-work | [jasper], just install oidentd? |
| 13:12.01 | boudiccas | colo-work, ok, thanks |
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| 13:12.24 | colo-work | boudiccas, on my machine, I'd do `chown -R colo:users /home/colo/` |
| 13:12.45 | boudiccas | colo-work, ah right, thanks, that makes sense |
| 13:13.00 | [jasper] | colo-work omg...I HAVE OIDENTD |
| 13:13.06 | [jasper] | it stoppped working after I updted from lenny to squeeze |
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| 13:13.45 | colo-work | [jasper], how did it "stop working"? |
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| 13:14.10 | koisoke | [jasper]: something is fishy there. it also fails to get your reverse dns in the java example, but succeeds with telnet |
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| 13:14.34 | koisoke | [jasper]: are you sure you're connecting to the same server both times and binding the same interface and all that? |
| 13:14.52 | [jasper] | koisoke |
| 13:14.55 | [jasper] | I can put in an ip |
| 13:14.56 | [jasper] | hard |
| 13:14.58 | [jasper] | let me fix that |
| 13:14.59 | Justin | [jasper]: what makes you think you need ident? |
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| 13:15.56 | colo-work | Justin, the quakenet irc network refuses (or slows don) connection attempts from hosts that do not implement an ident/auth service. |
| 13:15.57 | [jasper] | because I'm getting g-lined if I don't? |
| 13:16.01 | pupuser856d2e | . |
| 13:16.09 | colo-work | slows down* |
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| 13:18.49 | [jasper] | koisoke : http://pastebin.com/DVC8kqNh |
| 13:18.51 | [jasper] | same ip |
| 13:18.54 | [jasper] | same hostname result |
| 13:18.56 | [jasper] | different ident |
| 13:20.06 | [jasper] | colo-work , koisoke: http://pastebin.com/EA3nmMGc |
| 13:20.13 | [jasper] | tht shows both ident request reach the server |
| 13:20.17 | [jasper] | but 1 fails, other 1 succeeds |
| 13:20.40 | Justin | [jasper]: it does not show that both ident requests reach the server. |
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| 13:21.17 | Justin | it shows that each time the server you connected to has output "Checking Ident". Whether or not the ident request actually reached you has not been determined |
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| 13:21.47 | [jasper] | Justin ? |
| 13:21.57 | Justin | you really just need to run tcpdump/wireshark/whatever at this point to see what you are actually connecting to and from what IP address |
| 13:21.58 | [jasper] | I just pasted my syslog....seeing the irc server requesting ident |
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| 13:22.22 | Justin | oh, I see.. two different pastbins |
| 13:22.35 | [jasper] | yes |
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| 13:22.59 | [jasper] | only 1 networking device in machine also |
| 13:23.01 | [jasper] | eth0 |
| 13:23.02 | [jasper] | nd lo |
| 13:23.03 | [jasper] | and |
| 13:23.06 | [jasper] | sorry for enters |
| 13:23.20 | Justin | can you print out the socket endpoints from java? (or just run tcpdump) |
| 13:23.42 | mashed | has anyone got any idea what package to use to comile sgml to something a bit more readable such as HTML? |
| 13:24.15 | qdb | hello. my openoffice stopped working |
| 13:24.26 | rking | I have a cheap Ralink wireless card in my Debian desktop, and its performance is terrible (low throughput or randomly failed connections) compared to this Win7 laptop. What kinds of tools can I use to diagnose what is going on with the wireless connection? |
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| 13:24.28 | qdb | just logo appears |
| 13:24.41 | qdb | can i check it |
| 13:24.54 | qdb | no messages if run from terminal |
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| 13:25.07 | rking | qdb: What changed since when it worked? |
| 13:25.25 | qdb | rking, nothing |
| 13:25.44 | [jasper] | what do you mean with socket endpoints Justin ? |
| 13:25.48 | qdb | rking, i closed it, locked screen, unlocked and started ooo perharps |
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| 13:26.01 | Justin | [jasper]: socket.getsockname() or something like that |
| 13:26.09 | [jasper] | let me check |
| 13:26.26 | qdb | rking, i modified and saved a file before closing, then opened that file |
| 13:26.54 | Posterdati | bastidrazor: thanks |
| 13:27.00 | Posterdati | themill: thanks |
| 13:27.04 | Justin | [jasper]: or maybe it's getLocalSocket.. i don't do java.. but it should be one of the methods |
| 13:27.07 | rking | qdb: Have you tried aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org # to see if there is an update? |
| 13:27.11 | Posterdati | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEnG_DEB1I |
| 13:27.12 | Justin | [jasper]: or just run tcpdump, which will tell you the same thing |
| 13:27.19 | qdb | rking, no |
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| 13:28.37 | qdb | i am going to delete ooo settings folder |
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| 13:30.05 | [jasper] | Justin from java: http://pastebin.com/cgHQ7mLg |
| 13:30.13 | qdb | renamed. has not helped |
| 13:30.41 | Justin | [jasper]: does the port there (59718) match the port in the ident log? |
| 13:31.04 | [jasper] | Justin: http://pastebin.com/uEzDGGhJ that's for both. top one java, lower one telnet |
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| 13:31.49 | [jasper] | 59718 for java, nd 57979 for telnet |
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| 13:31.57 | [jasper] | those match, yes |
| 13:31.58 | rking | qdb: Worst case you could try downloading the install package from openoffice.org itself. |
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| 13:32.30 | Justin | [jasper]: the ip matched too? |
| 13:33.09 | klys | ? |
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| 13:34.01 | [jasper] | hmm judd |
| 13:34.06 | [jasper] | Justin it appears telnet resolves the hostname? |
| 13:34.13 | [jasper] | for the irc server? |
| 13:34.17 | [jasper] | while I specify the ip |
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| 13:34.43 | qdb | i am going to relogin |
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| 13:35.18 | [jasper] | Justin : http://pastebin.me/c589420d23daa3d5ddbe15e58e123550 |
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| 13:35.44 | Justin | [jasper]: something about what you are pasting does not agree with the rest of your output |
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| 13:36.11 | Justin | [jasper]: you show connections to two different irc servers on quakenet |
| 13:36.15 | project2501a | any programs for http fingerprinting ? tried google, but all i get is httpring (which looks ancient and has no source) and a win32 version. |
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| 13:36.35 | [jasper] | Justin that's my epic fail |
| 13:36.36 | [jasper] | 1 second |
| 13:36.49 | Justin | project2501a: what is "http fingerprinting" ? |
| 13:36.50 | NoNaMeNo | hi, any way to have a vpn connected on a server and set up a proxy server that uses that vpn as outbound interface? I'm trying with squid but it does not work, I think I am missing something |
| 13:36.52 | qdb | has not helped |
| 13:37.05 | Justin | !wayttd NoNaMeNo |
| 13:37.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, NoNaMeNo? |
| 13:37.15 | project2501a | Justin: determining the version of a web server, from the way it handles requests. |
| 13:37.26 | Justin | project2501a: nmap -sV maybe? |
| 13:37.33 | project2501a | hm |
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| 13:37.46 | [jasper] | Justin: http://pastebin.me/c589420d23daa3d5ddbe15e58e129dec |
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| 13:38.25 | qdb | may it be loading from cache in memory, but it is corrupted? can i flush it? |
| 13:38.29 | bastidrazor | Posterdati: you're welcome. |
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| 13:38.38 | project2501a | Justin: hm. that works. i guess, i should add nmap to my list of things to read about. thank you. |
| 13:39.48 | [jasper] | strange thing is this hppend fter I updted to squeeez Justin |
| 13:39.50 | NoNaMeNo | I have a gateway connected to a VPN server with openvpn, ignoring default routes, and I want some computers of my network to be able to use that VPN connection as default route to some applications, mostly http |
| 13:40.17 | Justin | NoNaMeNo: well for one, that's not called a "default route" |
| 13:40.17 | koisoke | [jasper]: why do you have two ports 33514 and 33406 in the latter batch of tcpdump output |
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| 13:40.53 | [jasper] | koisoke no ide? |
| 13:41.35 | [jasper] | koisoke , Justin could it be that oidentd doesn't recognise java binding the port? |
| 13:41.37 | [jasper] | for some reason? |
| 13:41.42 | floogy | Hi, is there a hsb2rgb and rgb2hsb (or hsl,hsv,hsi) calculation tool? |
| 13:41.43 | rking | I really need to figure out what is going on with this Wifi card. The connection quality is wholly intermittent. It is the same network that I am using on this Win7 laptop, but on the Debian desktop with Ralink card, it's random. What tools can I run to diagnose? |
| 13:41.47 | [jasper] | or that the port binding belongs to a certain user? |
| 13:41.48 | koisoke | [jasper]: I don't know. I use pidentd and it works even with your java example, but now I have to go. |
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| 13:42.04 | NoNaMeNo | Ok, sorry. Would just "route" alone be the word? |
| 13:42.19 | [jasper] | yeh, that's what I'm saying...something got f*cked up when transitioning to squeeze |
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| 13:43.08 | OU818 | i am running zfs-native on my squeeze install, last night I upgraded my system, and now zfs does not start on boot. the message I get on boot is zfs: no such file or directory, any help is apreciated |
| 13:43.10 | NoNaMeNo | Then I thought squid would be a good idea sicne it has the tcp_outgoing option, but I can't get it to work, my ip address when using squid is still the same of the public gateway address |
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| 13:44.15 | Justin | NoNaMeNo: you should be able to just do it with iptables and routes |
| 13:44.42 | Justin | NoNaMeNo: it would be really easy if you wanted all hosts on your network to use the vpn for certain hosts.. doing it for only some internal hosts is more tricky |
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| 13:46.08 | NoNaMeNo | Justin: but then I lose the possibility of chosing what applications go through the VPN, as I could have two browsers (or profiles) and only one using the VPN |
| 13:46.17 | floogy | OU818, I guess you have to rebuild it due to a kernel upgrade. |
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| 13:46.33 | Justin | [jasper]: you don't have an /etc/oidentd.conf or ~/.oidentd.conf do you? |
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| 13:47.18 | [jasper] | I did |
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| 13:47.44 | mashed | NoNaMeNo: so you want people to connect to the VPN for outbound connections? |
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| 13:48.35 | OU818 | floogy, i am running BPO kernel, and that was not updated. note that after I run zfs-mount -a all my drives are back up. |
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| 13:48.51 | [jasper] | those files have been there for the lsat 2 years |
| 13:48.57 | NoNaMeNo | and inbound, in-out traffic for some apps |
| 13:48.57 | [jasper] | with lenny, no issues t all Justin |
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| 13:49.07 | qdb | "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" is this good command for debian stable to clear cache? |
| 13:49.27 | [jasper] | Justin I removed oidentd , installed pidentd...now it works.... I'm telling you,something in the update to squeeze broke this stuff.....maybe it should be filed somewhere |
| 13:49.46 | NoNaMeNo | It would be something like squid using eth1(lan) to listen for clients and tun0 for everything else |
| 13:49.50 | qdb | "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" is this better? |
| 13:50.04 | themill | [jasper]: exactly which java are you using, btw? |
| 13:50.47 | Justin | [jasper]: I don't think there have been that many changes from lenny to squeeze for oidentd |
| 13:50.50 | Justin | judd: versions oidentd |
| 13:50.52 | judd | Package: oidentd on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.8-1.2; sid: 2.0.8-4; squeeze: 2.0.8-4; wheezy: 2.0.8-4 |
| 13:50.55 | [jasper] | themill, I'm wondering, I don't think this is java relted |
| 13:50.59 | [jasper] | related even |
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| 13:51.24 | Justin | yep, just a few ipv6 related changes, which shouldn't cause the problem you are seeing |
| 13:51.40 | themill | well... that and sun-java being removed from squeeze |
| 13:51.40 | Justin | NoNaMeNo: that could work if squid has options for binding to specific interfaces |
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| 13:52.10 | [jasper] | ii sun-java6-bin 6.26-0squeeze1 Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files) |
| 13:52.10 | [jasper] | ii sun-java6-jdk 6.26-0squeeze1 Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6 |
| 13:52.10 | [jasper] | ii sun-java6-jre 6.26-0squeeze1 Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files) |
| 13:52.32 | themill | [jasper]: and is that the actual java being used? |
| 13:52.34 | NoNaMeNo | Justin: I don't mind restarting squid everytime my VPN client ip changes, I understood that squid can bind to addresses, so it should work |
| 13:52.51 | [jasper] | I'm trying to find out if the java command has an actual --version |
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| 13:53.04 | qdb | "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" has helped! |
| 13:53.19 | Justin | it's -version |
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| 13:53.43 | Justin | NoNaMeNo: java is just opening the socket, I don't see how that could make a difference to oidentd |
| 13:53.54 | [jasper] | z0rbot@jasper:~$ java -version |
| 13:53.54 | [jasper] | java version "1.6.0_26" |
| 13:53.54 | [jasper] | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03) |
| 13:53.54 | [jasper] | Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.1-b02, mixed mode) |
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| 13:54.13 | [jasper] | sorry about that |
| 13:54.34 | [jasper] | but, I think it's only the socket being opend, it wouldn't matter if this is java or telnet or anything else right? |
| 13:54.47 | Justin | [jasper]: it shouldn't |
| 13:54.48 | [jasper] | since the request actually reaches oidentd....but then fails epicly |
| 13:54.56 | qdb | should not i echo other number to that file now? |
| 13:55.12 | Justin | though looking at the source for oident, it logs the same error for two different situations |
| 13:55.39 | Justin | it says NO-USER if the uid was not found, or if the uid was found but looking up the username for it failed |
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| 13:56.50 | [jasper] | yeah..but both telnet and java were run using the same user |
| 13:56.55 | [jasper] | so that shouldn't mke difference either? |
| 13:57.23 | Justin | all it does is parse /proc/net/tcp to find the uid, nothing complicated |
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| 13:58.33 | [jasper] | hmm now I hve this pidentd...which is ctually identing to irc.. |
| 13:58.41 | [jasper] | but now I hve to find out how to give out rndom idents with pidentd |
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| 13:59.07 | Justin | lol, this is why ident is a waste of time and pretty hilarious that an irc network still requires it |
| 13:59.14 | [jasper] | yeah |
| 13:59.21 | [jasper] | well, I'm setting up 75 connections to irc |
| 13:59.23 | [jasper] | from the same ip |
| 13:59.28 | [jasper] | so I need it to be rndom :p |
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| 13:59.33 | [jasper] | otherwise they g-line me |
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| 14:01.09 | mithrop | hi here |
| 14:01.32 | [jasper] | omg |
| 14:01.34 | [jasper] | I'm going crazy here |
| 14:01.47 | mithrop | I have a fresh install of Debian Wheezy with KDE. The problem is that I have some programs which display bad UI |
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| 14:02.24 | Arafangion | mithrop: Common problem. :( |
| 14:02.31 | Arafangion | mithrop: (Unless you mean a bad theme) |
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| 14:03.01 | Arafangion | mithrop: If you don't like a program's UI, consider finding an alternative. |
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| 14:03.42 | [jasper] | Justin I just reinstlled oidentd |
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| 14:03.48 | [jasper] | still doesn't work |
| 14:03.55 | willmore | Hello, everyone. I'm trying to do a net install on an AMD E-350 board that uses a newer Atheros 8151 chip. Too new for the .32 kernel it seems. |
| 14:04.00 | mithrop | Arafangion: I want to upload a screenshot :) I looking for a host |
| 14:04.06 | willmore | Is there a netboot image using something a bit newer? |
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| 14:04.19 | Justin | [jasper]: maybe it's your config? does oident work with the default config file? |
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| 14:05.20 | Arafangion | gets to bed. |
| 14:05.21 | babilen | !tell willmore -about kmuto |
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| 14:05.47 | [jasper] | no judd |
| 14:05.48 | mithrop | Arafangion: good night so :) for the other : this is a screenshot of my eclipse : http://i41.tinypic.com/m9po5l.png |
| 14:05.49 | [jasper] | Justin |
| 14:05.50 | [jasper] | it doesn't |
| 14:05.53 | [jasper] | even with the default config |
| 14:05.55 | [jasper] | it doesnt |
| 14:06.36 | [jasper] | Justin: it's broken |
| 14:06.48 | willmore | babilen, thanks, that looks like it may do the trick. I'll go try it. Thanks, again! |
| 14:06.50 | babilen | willmore: What is the PCIID of that NIC? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) -- Is it 1969:1073 or 1969:1083? The former should be supported by .32 in stable, whereas the latter needs a newer kernel. |
| 14:06.56 | willmore | 83 |
| 14:06.59 | Arafangion | mithrop: That image doesn't download completely for me, but that UI looks ok, for Eclipse. |
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| 14:07.29 | [jasper] | Justin , anything left i can try? |
| 14:07.30 | Arafangion | mithrop: The theme is clean and well made, but perhaps you don't like that style? If so, change it. Parts of that might be configurable, but I think Eclipse does its own thing a bit there. |
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| 14:07.36 | kakashi_ | hi, can someone please help resolve the audio issue, I can't hear anything. I have tried everything but I am unable to work it out! Google unfortunately is not helping. Here is the relevant information: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=718b1a231313e208c09ac263086e39e6bb4aa512 |
| 14:07.36 | babilen | willmore: Ok, you'll need kmuto in that case. I would strongly recommend to configure backports after the initial installation and installing a kernel metapackage from there. (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
| 14:07.54 | Arafangion | mithrop: That tab there is definetly eclipse. |
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| 14:08.04 | kakashi_ | that has most of the needed details about the installation and soundcard information |
| 14:08.06 | willmore | babilen, I'll make a note of that. Any other things I need to keep in mind by going this route? |
| 14:08.13 | Justin | [jasper]: hack up oidentd and add more debugging statements in there to figure out why it can't see to find your connection |
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| 14:08.17 | Arafangion | gets to bed! |
| 14:08.45 | mithrop | Arafangion: I just upload the top of the screen ;) the top border (with the Exit button) drew by KDE is ok, but below, the menu bar is not really beautiful. |
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| 14:09.18 | babilen | willmore: I can't really think of anything apart from that. It is just important so that you keep up-to-date with backported kernels. Another difference is that kmuto's images include firmware, but that shouldn't affect you negatively unless you *do not* want to use binary-blob firmware. |
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| 14:10.07 | Arafangion | mithrop: If it's specific to Eclipse, then blame Eclipse. |
| 14:10.16 | willmore | babilen, no worries on that front. Thanks for the info! |
| 14:10.25 | babilen | willmore: Have fun in that case :) |
| 14:10.27 | Justin | [jasper]: or try python and see if that has the same problem, that could at least point to a weird issue with java |
| 14:10.37 | mithrop | Arafangion: no. I think it's for all GTK applications ;) |
| 14:10.55 | [jasper] | Justin |
| 14:11.02 | [jasper] | I'm not skilled enough for python connectin |
| 14:11.10 | Justin | [jasper]: import socket,time;s=socket.socket();s.connect(('whatever',6667));time.sleep(5);print s.recv(1000) |
| 14:11.24 | Arafangion | mithrop: If you're lucky, you can change it using gtk's theme switcher, but I doubt you're lucky. |
| 14:11.39 | Arafangion | mithrop: Keep in midn that the various major versions of gtk have their own gtk theme engines. |
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| 14:11.49 | Arafangion | mithrop: Good night. :) |
| 14:12.17 | thomaschaaf | Hey guys I am trying to get my sd card reader to work on linux. I tried writing it up here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35309/sd-cardreader-not-working is there any information I can add? |
| 14:12.19 | mithrop | Arafangion: I'm not lucky :p and good night too ^^ |
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| 14:12.46 | boudiccas | whats the KDE program for showing graphically the disk usage in each partition please? I thought it was 'kwikdisk' but it isnt |
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| 14:13.39 | blubbar | the version of iceweasel in stable-backports crashes any time I am exporting as PDF (print to file as pdf). Can anyone affirm that it doesn't happen only on my machine? |
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| 14:14.35 | kakashi_ | can someone point me to a place where I could resolve the alsa issues? |
| 14:14.53 | blubbar | !tell kakashi about alsa checklist |
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| 14:15.15 | slikts | does Debian support DHTML? |
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| 14:15.54 | Justin | slikts: what is DHTML? |
| 14:15.56 | [jasper] | Justin : http://pastebin.me/c589420d23daa3d5ddbe15e58e12fe83 |
| 14:15.59 | [jasper] | interesting huh... |
| 14:16.04 | slikts | Justin: it's the wave of the future |
| 14:16.24 | themill | useful definition |
| 14:16.24 | peterS | to 2001 and beyond! |
| 14:16.30 | [jasper] | so python works.....java doesn't.... Justin |
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| 14:16.51 | slikts | DHTML allows webmasters to have cool website effects like trailing mouse cursor |
| 14:17.02 | kakashi_ | !tell kakashi_ about alsa checklist |
| 14:17.25 | [jasper] | so you think java is broken in squeeze themill ? |
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| 14:17.30 | themill | slikts: this isn't something that "debian" supports but whatever browser you are looking at |
| 14:17.30 | Justin | [jasper]: easy solution.. write code in python? :) |
| 14:17.41 | [jasper] | lol Justin...if only it ws tht easy |
| 14:17.44 | laidback_01 | hey... are non-initramfs kernels ok to build? I've never been much of a fan of initram after I sort out how to build a kernel that doesn't need it - eg, i know what drivers are needed and which aren't. And in my case, I don't care about transporting the kernel off the system... I think that I don't need initram... but is there still some reason to keep it? |
| 14:17.54 | [jasper] | but seriously...how am i gonna fix this :/ |
| 14:17.54 | Justin | [jasper]: java is just opening the connection, it can't really be "broken" |
| 14:18.08 | [jasper] | ok true...but why doesn't the connection get registered? |
| 14:18.11 | [jasper] | so tht oidentd can use it? |
| 14:18.17 | Justin | [jasper]: oidentd is clearly what is broken, it must get confused about some forking/threading java must be doing |
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| 14:18.31 | boudiccas | whats the KDE program for showing graphically the disk usage in each partition please? I thought it was 'kwikdisk' but it isnt |
| 14:18.41 | [jasper] | any wy to revert to old lenny oidentd |
| 14:18.45 | [jasper] | which was WORKING :) |
| 14:18.54 | peterS | boudiccas: 'apt-cache search kde disk usage' |
| 14:19.13 | Iridos | hm, any simple way I can just look at pictures from my digital camera I took today? something along of find -newer perhaps? |
| 14:19.36 | peterS | Iridos: -mtime -1 "modified within less than 1 day" |
| 14:20.01 | [jasper] | Justin which file did oidentd red? |
| 14:20.02 | boudiccas | thanks peterS |
| 14:20.04 | Iridos | peterS, ah, great... was just thinking of taking the first image after reading up on newer... this is better :) |
| 14:20.06 | [jasper] | which one did it parse? |
| 14:20.09 | Justin | [jasper]: /proc/net/tcp |
| 14:20.56 | gionnico | someone use svn+dav ? |
| 14:21.04 | gionnico | i cant start apache with this startup error: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so: undefined symbol: svn_fs_youogest_rev |
| 14:21.09 | gionnico | whose fault? apache or subversion? i have subversion 1.6 with webdav-neon enabled |
| 14:21.22 | slikts | bottom line: Debian needs more DHTML |
| 14:21.33 | peterS | gionnico: eh ... that symbol should be in the libsvn1 package. what versions of libsvn1 and libapache2-svn do you have? |
| 14:22.08 | [jasper] | when i cat that file I see the user id showing up with python Justin |
| 14:22.11 | themill | slikts: if you think it's important, send patches to the browser developers |
| 14:22.12 | [jasper] | let's try with java also |
| 14:22.24 | gionnico | i have subversion 1.6.17 and apache 2.2.21 but i'm not using debian xD |
| 14:22.41 | kakashi_ | blubbar, checked it all, no help |
| 14:22.41 | peterS | gionnico: then don't ask in a debian channel. #svn on freenode is pretty helpful. |
| 14:22.46 | slikts | themill: DHTML is super important |
| 14:23.25 | [jasper] | Justin ...there' NO entry in /proc/net/tcp ...when java opens that socket... |
| 14:23.29 | laidback_01 | gionnico: or, since the debian channel is typically loaded with smart AND polite people, ask here, but don't broadcast you are not using debian... |
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| 14:24.12 | Justin | [jasper]: weird. the connection is still open right? |
| 14:24.20 | [jasper] | yeh |
| 14:24.29 | [jasper] | but there's NO entry in /proc/net/tcp... |
| 14:24.33 | Justin | [jasper]: it's not in /proc/net/tcp6 somehow? |
| 14:24.36 | [jasper] | while there is when doing the same with python |
| 14:24.40 | [jasper] | let me check |
| 14:24.51 | laidback_01 | and that error indicates that the wrong apache apxs (whatever it's called) was used as compared to the version you have. Eg, the version of apache that the svn module was complied against is different that what yo have now. |
| 14:25.13 | kakashi_ | can somebody invite me to #debian-next ? |
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| 14:25.17 | [jasper] | Justin...it appears to be in there |
| 14:25.31 | [jasper] | not sure if it's the sme on though |
| 14:25.33 | [jasper] | let me check |
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| 14:25.45 | Justin | [jasper]: you are using the ipv4 address in your java program and not the hostname, right? |
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| 14:25.55 | [jasper] | am using hostnmes |
| 14:26.01 | [jasper] | but in the test program |
| 14:26.05 | [jasper] | I use the ipv4 ip |
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| 14:26.19 | Justin | if you have the ipv4 address there's no way it would be connecting over ipv6 |
| 14:26.24 | [jasper] | lol judd |
| 14:26.26 | [jasper] | Justin |
| 14:26.29 | [jasper] | so here's what hppens |
| 14:26.32 | [jasper] | I enter the ipv4 ip... |
| 14:26.41 | [jasper] | it does NOT show up in /proc/net/tcp |
| 14:26.48 | [jasper] | it DOES show up in /proc/net/tcp6 |
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| 14:27.16 | kakashi_ | oops, got disconnected |
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| 14:27.22 | Justin | sure that is the right connection? it goes away when you kill java? |
| 14:27.22 | [jasper] | I guess we found our problem Justin ? |
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| 14:27.25 | [jasper] | yeah |
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| 14:27.29 | [jasper] | it goes away when I kill java |
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| 14:27.34 | Justin | well that doesn't seem to make any sense |
| 14:27.41 | Justin | you sure you recompiled the test progrma or whatever? |
| 14:27.59 | kakashi_ | can somebody please invite me to #debian-next? |
| 14:28.05 | themill | kakashi_: wrong network |
| 14:28.12 | kakashi_ | hmm |
| 14:28.12 | [jasper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.15 | [jasper] | maybe that messes it up |
| 14:28.17 | A_I_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.27 | A_I_ | and my dhcp server continues to answer ! |
| 14:28.36 | A_I_ | why ? |
| 14:28.48 | Justin | A_I_: previous rule that allows it? |
| 14:28.51 | babilen | kakashi_: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on freenode |
| 14:28.58 | A_I_ | no |
| 14:28.59 | kakashi_ | perfect |
| 14:29.00 | kakashi_ | got that |
| 14:29.02 | kakashi_ | on there |
| 14:29.04 | kakashi_ | thanks ! |
| 14:29.08 | A_I_ | it is the first rule in the INPUT chain |
| 14:29.14 | A_I_ | chain/table |
| 14:29.33 | Dagger2 | note that it is acceptable for programs to open v6 sockets and use those sockets to talk to v4 remote machines, if you have v4 mapped sockets turned on |
| 14:29.34 | Justin | [jasper]: strage.. but tcpdump before did not show any ipv6 connections |
| 14:29.44 | [jasper] | Justin ...I'm thinking |
| 14:29.46 | [jasper] | http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/api/java/net/InetSocketAddress.html |
| 14:29.50 | [jasper] | it resolves the hostnme... |
| 14:29.51 | Dagger2 | (the idea being that the program only has to open one socket instead of two, and the OS does the mapping internally) |
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| 14:30.03 | [jasper] | then I do socket.connect .....it might then transform the hostname back to a ipv6 address |
| 14:30.09 | Justin | Dagger2: interesting |
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| 14:30.35 | Justin | [jasper]: well if you can figure out how to get java to not use ipv6, you should be good to go |
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| 14:30.56 | Amoug | What is the use of nosuid mount option if one is already mounting with noexec ? From a security perspective |
| 14:31.04 | [jasper] | yeh...but then it still rises the question Justin ...why did everything work fine before the squeeze update.. |
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| 14:32.01 | flami | Hi, does anyone know if theres prebuild HPL ( Linpack ) packages in debian? I cant seem to find any |
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| 14:32.20 | twobitsprite | why does it seem there are no decent remote desktop options for linux... remmina is buggy as hell, and the gnome rdp viewer provides basically 0 configuration options |
| 14:32.42 | twobitsprite | anyone have an alternative they'd like to recommend? |
| 14:32.57 | A_I_ | Dagger2 how could I see that ? (ipv6 socket ?) |
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| 14:33.04 | blubbar | can anyone who uses iceweasel from stable-backports please check if it is possible to print-to-file as PDF ? |
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| 14:33.27 | Justin | [jasper]: the lenny version of java likely didnt support ipv6, or did not have it enabled by default |
| 14:33.38 | blubbar | or is stable-backports also discussed in #debian-next? |
| 14:33.43 | OU818 | where can I find mail that i have already read? |
| 14:33.51 | themill | twobitsprite: rdp or vnc clients? krdc is ok |
| 14:33.52 | Dagger2 | A_I_: sorry, I was talking to Justin/[jasper] |
| 14:33.57 | twobitsprite | themill: rdc |
| 14:34.05 | A_I_ | oh |
| 14:34.12 | A_I_ | could it answer my question too ? |
| 14:34.25 | A_I_ | dhcp responding with iptables -I INPUT -j DROP |
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| 14:35.08 | Dagger2 | A_I_: no, this v4/6 mapped stuff doesn't reach iptables, so it's not that |
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| 14:36.05 | A_I_ | could it be because my client is a KVM guest and the DHCP server is the KVM host ? |
| 14:36.18 | [jasper] | Justin |
| 14:36.34 | [jasper] | how can the same ip be used for ipv4 and ipv6? |
| 14:36.37 | [jasper] | that's just weird |
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| 14:37.00 | twobitsprite | A_I_: what's your full iptables-save? could you pastebin that? |
| 14:37.40 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: it's not; Java is using a v6 socket to talk v4. Linux is internally converting the socket into a v4 socket (but it still gets listed in tcp6/) |
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| 14:38.04 | [jasper] | omg |
| 14:38.13 | [jasper] | so how do I turn that internal ipv6 socket off? |
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| 14:38.23 | insanelygreat | Squeeze doesn't work on an iBook G3, does it? Tried it a lot of times now, everything that goes beyond command line (LXDE, Gnome, XFCE) seems to fail, black screen with a greenish stripe is all I get :/ |
| 14:39.03 | themill | dpkg: tell [jasper] about noipv6 |
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| 14:39.29 | [jasper] | themill is there no way to only disable it for java? |
| 14:40.00 | Dagger2 | disabling IPv6 really needs to stop being the solution for every little issue, because that's going to cause massive problems down the road :( |
| 14:40.13 | [jasper] | Dagger2 any better solution for my problem? |
| 14:40.20 | themill | [jasper]: do you have a /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 14:40.32 | Justin | [jasper]: yes, I'm sure there is a trivial way to tell java not to use ipv6 |
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| 14:41.03 | [jasper] | no such file themill |
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| 14:41.30 | Justin | [jasper]: "This setting can be changed through the system property java.net.preferIPv6Addresses=<true|false>" |
| 14:41.41 | A_I_ | twobitsprite http://pastebin.ca/2133555 |
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| 14:41.45 | [jasper] | -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true. |
| 14:41.47 | [jasper] | maybe |
| 14:41.48 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: there must be, but I'm not that familiar with Java. is your only problem that you can't connect to an IRC server because of the lack of ident response? as in, would nullidentd work for you? (it just returns a static string, so it doesn't need to look up sockets) |
| 14:41.48 | Justin | there is also java.net.preferIPv4Stack |
| 14:41.49 | NoNaMeNo | Justin: I got it, it was a problem with the routes on the gateway |
| 14:41.50 | Justin | yeah |
| 14:42.00 | Justin | NoNaMeNo: cool |
| 14:42.09 | themill | [jasper]: and what does "sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only" say |
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| 14:42.50 | [jasper] | commnd not found 8))) |
| 14:42.53 | themill | thought that java didn't do ipv6 only which is what #560044 was all about |
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| 14:43.02 | NoNaMeNo | I realized I couldn't get in-out traffic on the vpn interface |
| 14:43.08 | themill | [jasper]: it's in /sbin |
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| 14:43.42 | [jasper] | z0rbot@jasper:~$ /sbin/sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only |
| 14:43.43 | [jasper] | net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 |
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| 14:45.06 | [jasper] | Justin : running with java Test -D java.net.preferIPv4Stack=true java.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false |
| 14:45.10 | [jasper] | it still shows up in tcp6 |
| 14:46.31 | boudiccas | whats the command to delete a directory that is not empty but i want to delete it and all of its contents? I've tried 'rmdir /media/backup/archives' but it didnt work |
| 14:46.44 | [jasper] | I'm gonna cry here |
| 14:46.48 | colo-work | boudiccas, `rm -r` |
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| 14:46.59 | boudiccas | colo-work, k, thanks |
| 14:47.03 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: I'm having trouble filtering the massive backlog... what's your actual problem? |
| 14:47.16 | LtL | boudiccas: rm -rf comes in handy too |
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| 14:48.35 | [jasper] | Dagger2 well...we sorta figured out the problem..when I open a java socket...this isn't visible in /proc/net/tcp ...only in /proc/net/tcp6 |
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| 14:48.51 | [jasper] | I need oidentd to ident with quakenet....but because the connection isn't in /proc/net/tcp ...it won't ident |
| 14:48.54 | zykotick9 | ,pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 14:48.55 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 14:49.09 | [jasper] | and the whole issue started when I updated from lenny to squeeze this morning |
| 14:49.24 | Justin | [jasper]: pidentd uses netlink by default which likely doesnt have that issue |
| 14:49.38 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: can you use e.g. nullidentd instead? and just manually configure that to return your username? |
| 14:49.38 | [jasper] | correct |
| 14:49.46 | [jasper] | but I couldn't get pident to send out random idents |
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| 14:49.48 | [jasper] | which I need |
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| 14:50.11 | [jasper] | well.. If you know a ident server which allows random idents |
| 14:50.14 | [jasper] | please tell me :) |
| 14:50.27 | abrotman | wtf still depends on identd ? |
| 14:50.31 | [jasper] | I got like dozens of people complaining on quakenet |
| 14:50.33 | [jasper] | :( |
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| 14:51.30 | [jasper] | abrotman irc.. |
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| 14:51.48 | [jasper] | lol... 4 hours downtime for such a stupid problem |
| 14:51.50 | [jasper] | this is insanity |
| 14:51.54 | _-` | Hi, can someone tell me exactly how to make my usb key booting, i tried so many times and it never works : pastebin.com/f72tYtr7 |
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| 14:52.03 | Buster906 | HUGE PROBLEM!! I can't route between my networks. It's a trap. |
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| 14:52.25 | reconfigure | it seems that one can not DROP dhcp traffic since it uses raw sockets that are not netfiltered |
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| 14:52.32 | A_I_ | it seems that one can not DROP dhcp traffic since it uses raw sockets that are not netfiltered |
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| 14:53.02 | [jasper] | Dagger2 does that allow random idents? |
| 14:53.02 | Justin | A_I_: having a bit of an identity crisis? |
| 14:53.05 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: http://diehealthy.org/software/nullidentd-urandom says that nullidentd can do that |
| 14:53.10 | A_I_ | :-) |
| 14:53.16 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: (I haven't actually used it) |
| 14:53.28 | Justin | [jasper]: technically I think you can just have oident return a random response whether or not the lookup succeeded in the first place |
| 14:53.42 | boudiccas | LtL, this morning you worked with me to upgrade squeeze to wheezy when there wasnt enough space in /var/apt/cache and so i ended up putting it onto my USB drive.Remember now? :) But, what were the commands to reverse the /var/apt/cache being on the USB drive please? |
| 14:53.47 | Justin | though that might have to be the same every time |
| 14:53.49 | Buster906 | hey i'm using endian (which sounds like debian) and i want to route between some networks but it's not working |
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| 14:54.11 | abrotman | irc does not depends on identd |
| 14:54.32 | jelly | big endian or little endian? |
| 14:54.56 | boudiccas | Buster906, sorry, we only support debian here, and not other distros such as endian |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | endian isn't Debian ? |
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| 14:55.23 | Buster906 | jelly the virtual one |
| 14:55.29 | Justin | Buster906: read /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 14:55.46 | abrotman | Buster906: there's a #endian, good luck |
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| 14:55.59 | abrotman | or a very small one .. |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | maybe try ##linux |
| 14:56.27 | Justin | really debian derivatives need to properly document how they are actually different from debian |
| 14:56.27 | Buster906 | abrotman endian debian it's all the same but sounds different |
| 14:56.49 | [jasper] | daemon I'm trying it out now |
| 14:56.51 | [jasper] | that nullidentd |
| 14:56.56 | [jasper] | looks like tht works |
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| 14:57.27 | laidback_01 | so, there was a place with debian kernel packages which was noted for having good performance and staying up to date on the recent versions. I'm having a hell of a time getting a kernel to boot after building it... used to be this was easy, but wow... the 3.3 version has so many damn tasks! |
| 14:57.40 | themill | Buster906: endian as in http://www.endian.com/en/community/ ? |
| 14:57.44 | Justin | Buster906: endian looks to be some sort of debian based networking appliance, in which case it is definitely not "all the same" |
| 14:57.46 | twobitsprite | A_I_: sorry, got pulled away for sec... seems your paste has expired |
| 14:58.19 | [jasper] | hmm |
| 14:58.25 | twobitsprite | er, nevermind, I didn't select the whole thing, was missing a 5 :P |
| 14:58.31 | [jasper] | that doesn't seem to send out random idents Dagger2 |
| 14:59.03 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: did you configure it to? |
| 14:59.17 | A_I_ | I tried it on a different network with a dhcp server and a windows physicaly on a different computer |
| 14:59.37 | A_I_ | but dhcp server continues to answer dhcprequests |
| 14:59.44 | [jasper] | Dagger2 how do I restart inetd ? |
| 14:59.47 | [jasper] | after reconfigure? |
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| 15:00.03 | Buster906 | it's still not working |
| 15:00.46 | Justin | A_I_: pastebin iptables -L -n -v |
| 15:01.02 | abrotman | Buster906: not a #debian topic, thanks |
| 15:01.07 | [jasper] | anyone? how can I restart inetd services on debian? |
| 15:01.12 | jelly | Buster906: this channel can't help you diagnosing a heavily customized appliance even if it's based on Debian. http://www.endian.com/en/community/get-help/support-forums/ |
| 15:01.17 | Dagger2 | [jasper]: `/etc/init.d/<something> restart`, where the <something> depends on which inetd you're using |
| 15:01.24 | abrotman | [jasper]: restart it ? like any oother init scsript? |
| 15:01.30 | A_I_ | Justin http://pastebin.com/9iT7xDnB |
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| 15:01.33 | [jasper] | yeh....good question which inetd I'm using |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | [jasper]: or kill -1 $(pidof inetd) |
| 15:01.54 | Buster906 | jelly the forum is not fast enough |
| 15:02.25 | [jasper] | will that automatically restart it abrotman ? |
| 15:02.27 | jelly | Buster906: buy commercial support, then. We're here to help with a different operating system. |
| 15:02.32 | themill | endian isn't even based on debian. Try ##linux. |
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| 15:03.26 | Justin | A_I_: it looks like it is working. can you zero the counters with -Z and test again |
| 15:03.42 | A_I_ | I see counter increasing |
| 15:03.51 | A_I_ | but I also see my windows getting a new IP |
| 15:04.01 | [jasper] | man I don't even see which inetd service I'm using |
| 15:04.07 | Justin | A_I_: they are getting an ip address from that server? |
| 15:04.07 | [jasper] | I'm just gonn reboot |
| 15:04.09 | A_I_ | I run 'ipconfig /release' and 'ipconfig /renew' in a loop |
| 15:04.14 | A_I_ | yes |
| 15:04.21 | Justin | A_I_: how do you know this? |
| 15:04.30 | A_I_ | I can see in syslog of the server that it is answering |
| 15:04.36 | OU818 | Where can I dig up old mail that i got |
| 15:04.46 | Justin | A_I_: what does it show? |
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| 15:05.38 | A_I_ | Justin http://pastebin.com/mpK68sPY |
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| 15:06.34 | boudiccas | ,versions nanoblogger |
| 15:06.36 | judd | Package: nanoblogger on i386 -- lenny: 3.3-4; sid: 3.4.2-3; squeeze: 3.4.2-3; wheezy: 3.4.2-3 |
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| 15:07.01 | Justin | A_I_: well, it will probably fix the problem, have you tried iptables -P INPUT DROP? |
| 15:07.08 | Justin | A_I_: looks like that is what you are trying to do anyway |
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| 15:07.55 | A_I_ | argh I've cut the branch I was sitting on |
| 15:07.58 | Justin | A_I_: though I think you are right about the raw socket thing |
| 15:07.59 | [jasper] | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IT'S WORKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 15:08.06 | [jasper] | thx themill , justin , Dagger2 |
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| 15:09.27 | [jasper] | man, this only took like 5 hours |
| 15:09.28 | [jasper] | :P |
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| 15:09.48 | Justin | A_I_: consensus seems to be that you can block outgoing dhcp replies |
| 15:09.57 | Justin | A_I_: though I don't know why you wouldn't just turn off the dhcp server |
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| 15:10.35 | A_I_ | I want to use something like : |
| 15:10.54 | twobitsprite | themill: krdc seems much nicer... and it handles 2 monitors perfectly... thanks |
| 15:10.57 | A_I_ | iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p udp --dport 67 -m recent --update --seconds 10 --hitcount 2 --rttl --name DHCP -j DROP |
| 15:10.58 | A_I_ | iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p udp --dport 67 -m recent --set --name DHCP |
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| 15:11.15 | thomaschaaf | With iptables I am trying to create a nat. I have two outgoing devices though. Either eth0 or wlan1. I just added the rule "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE" and now it is working but I get a protocol 0800 is buggy, dev wlan0 error. wlan0 is the device my other devices are connected to |
| 15:11.20 | Justin | A_I_: what are you actually trying to accomplish ? |
| 15:11.20 | A_I_ | (note that second line will appear first with "-I " option) |
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| 15:11.38 | A_I_ | prevent to many dhcprequests from same source |
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| 15:12.17 | mastro | I'm trying to set up squid as reverse proxy for a web application running on port 8080, squid is now proxying my webapp.. but it keeps doing cache MISS. can someone help me debugging / configuring squid? |
| 15:12.23 | A_I_ | people bring their computer full of viruses, plug them onto my lan and then syslog grows up until it fills up /var/log partition |
| 15:12.28 | Justin | thomaschaaf: you are missing a few things on that command |
| 15:12.49 | A_I_ | viruses make sort of dhcprequests DOS attack |
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| 15:13.00 | Justin | A_I_: what virus does that? |
| 15:13.05 | A_I_ | don't know |
| 15:13.06 | Justin | that sounds like a broken client, not a virus |
| 15:13.20 | thomaschaaf | Justin: the -o eth0 |
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| 15:13.40 | thomaschaaf | but if I set that and I unplug eth0 wlan1 does not take over |
| 15:13.49 | A_I_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.00 | kesroesweyth | with `atq`, how can i list items in the queue in order by date? |
| 15:14.02 | Woet | you got "sort" and "uniq", is there something like "random" which gets random lines from a list of words? |
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| 15:14.14 | twobitsprite | anyone know how to remove pinned icons from the top gnomeshell bar? |
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| 15:14.28 | Justin | thomaschaaf: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 15:14.44 | mashed | A_I_: I don't suppose your users are using VMware workstation? |
| 15:14.48 | twobitsprite | right click only shows launch and properties, and I can't drag it off the bar either |
| 15:14.49 | kesroesweyth | hm, i guess `atq |sort -n` works just fine :) |
| 15:15.04 | Justin | Woet: shuf? |
| 15:15.14 | slikts | how can I use bash to run multiple commands in one go? for instance, like echo {foo,bar} so that it would end up being echo foo, echo bar |
| 15:15.15 | thomaschaaf | Justin: thanks let me take a look |
| 15:15.18 | A_I_ | no mashed |
| 15:15.18 | Woet | Justin: thanks! |
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| 15:15.36 | A_I_ | why mashed ? |
| 15:15.37 | mashed | A_I_: ok was a long shot. I have had a similar issue there before |
| 15:15.42 | sephii | slikts: echo foo; echo bar ? |
| 15:15.46 | A_I_ | ok |
| 15:15.51 | slikts | sephii: that's not what I want |
| 15:16.06 | slikts | that's running two commands in one line not expanding one command |
| 15:16.20 | slikts | I think maybe in ksh echo {foo,bar} worked like I meant |
| 15:16.55 | slikts | for instance, it would be nice to be able to do mkdir -p /bla/bla/{foo,bar} |
| 15:17.17 | slikts | it's less nice to do mkdir /bla/bla/foo; mkdir /bla/bla/bar |
| 15:17.31 | twobitsprite | slikts: that command should work |
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| 15:18.01 | slikts | twobitsprite: hmm, lol |
| 15:18.05 | slikts | thanks |
| 15:18.15 | twobitsprite | :) |
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| 15:19.25 | Justin | slikts: mkdir -p /tmp/test/{a,b,c}/{1..5}/ |
| 15:19.26 | slikts | ha, even mkdir -p {foo,bar}/{baz,qux} works |
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| 15:19.46 | twobitsprite | if you *really* need multiple commands run each with a variation on the argument, you can use a for loop... but most commands will accept multiple arguments so running the command separately for each is a waste |
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| 15:19.50 | slikts | Justin: cool |
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| 15:20.30 | jelly | slikts: I routinely create Maildir folders with mkdir -p foo/{cur,new,tmp} |
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| 15:20.37 | samiamiam | excume me, am loosing my mind or did lenny disappear from all of the mirrors I've checked. My lenny mirrors in sources.list are no longer valid, does lenny still exist other then in my computer or mind |
| 15:20.48 | mjt | !lenny |
| 15:20.48 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 15:20.48 | slikts | samiamiam: *losing |
| 15:21.18 | tobiasu | updated to linux 3.2 from squeeze-backports and suddenly dmesg is full of [ 4090.863450] type=1400 audit(1333026358.111:19): op=linkat action=denied pid=24695 comm="ln" path= messages |
| 15:21.23 | jhutchins_wk | samiamiam: Lenny should still be there, but backports are gone; security may be gone as well. |
| 15:21.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell samiamiam about lenny sources.list |
| 15:21.28 | themill | samiamiam: /topic |
| 15:21.43 | themill | jhutchins_wk: you might like to /topic too |
| 15:21.45 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, removed mirrors. great. |
| 15:21.52 | tobiasu | does anyone know why these messages pop up? |
| 15:21.58 | Justin | jhutchins_wk: isn't there mkmaildir for that or something? |
| 15:22.01 | Justin | er, jelly |
| 15:22.19 | Justin | I think I did mkdir -p foo/{cur,mew,tmp} once and spent a while trying to figure out why it wasnt working |
| 15:22.31 | jelly | Justin: do you know which package that tool is in? I don't off the top of my head |
| 15:22.50 | twobitsprite | ,judd provides maildir |
| 15:22.51 | judd | No package named 'maildir' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 15:22.56 | tobiasu | why does some audit framework(?) care that something uses ln(1) |
| 15:23.02 | twobitsprite | er... isn't there a judd command for that? |
| 15:23.03 | Justin | I thought it used to come with qmail or something, maybe I actually wrote it for myself.. who remembers :) |
| 15:23.26 | Justin | tobiasu: isn't that from selinux? |
| 15:23.27 | jelly | twobitsprite: I mean -- there's no need to search for it when the replacement is trivial |
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| 15:24.01 | jelly | twobitsprite: you can ask judd about "file bin/mkmaildir" perhaps if you needed to |
| 15:24.15 | tobiasu | Justin: no idea, we certainly didn't enable it |
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| 15:24.29 | twobitsprite | jelly: that's probably what I was thinking |
| 15:24.34 | tobiasu | is it on by default? |
| 15:26.00 | jhutchins_wk | Is lenny backports archived somewhere? |
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| 15:27.14 | themill | jhutchins_wk: did you look? |
| 15:28.10 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Where? |
| 15:28.41 | themill | jhutchins_wk: /msg dpkg lenny backports? http://archive.debian.org/ ? Google? |
| 15:29.27 | themill | backports.debian.org? This information isn't exactly hidden. |
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| 15:31.01 | jhutchins_wk | themill: archive does not have any clear indication of what the URL should be... |
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| 15:31.25 | themill | it has the same layout as the rest of the mirror network |
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| 15:31.43 | themill | and there are still the other 3 places that do detail this information |
| 15:32.14 | jhutchins_wk | As usual, dpkg has the best answer, but you have to know what to ask. |
| 15:32.41 | themill | jhutchins_wk: it's on the front page of backports.debian.org.... you know, the canonical place for information about backports? |
| 15:32.59 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Niether BDO nor ADO have the URL. Yes, BDO says it's moved. It doesn't say where on archive it is. |
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| 15:42.25 | samiamiam | A conpiracy I say, try and ring me out, try and make all my old hardware obsolete, try and send me out shopper are you, I show you, I'll show you all, hahahahahahhaahh |
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| 15:44.25 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: did you try reading the README ? |
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| 15:57.33 | A_I_ | thank you guys |
| 15:57.35 | A_I_ | bye |
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| 16:06.41 | slikts | I added my user to a group, and I can edit the group's files okay, but it stops working if I try it from tmux, even when creating a new tmux session |
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| 16:06.56 | slikts | why could that be, does tmux somehow cache group membership? |
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| 16:07.31 | Ergo^_ | hey guys, debian live project isnt providing testing branch images ? |
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| 16:08.06 | os_ | Ergo^_: you mean iso? |
| 16:08.17 | slikts | I rebooted the server and now permissions are okay inside tmux |
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| 16:08.42 | os_ | Ergo^_: you mean iso's? |
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| 16:10.03 | boudiccas | i'm just trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy but its failing because of this .... E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) ....... how can i resolve it please? |
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| 16:12.00 | themill | boudiccas: you'll find that one in the bts and I think it has a solution in the bug log |
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| 16:12.41 | boudiccas | themill, bts = bug tracking system? do you have an url for it please? |
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| 16:13.25 | babilen | boudiccas: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 16:13.27 | themill | who are you and where is the boudiccas that has been in #debian for the last 12 months? |
| 16:13.32 | withheld | Um, I'm trying to use update-alternatives to set /usr/bin/st as a the x-terminal-emulator , how do I do this? |
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| 16:14.29 | Ergo^_ | yeah i mean isos of live wheezy images |
| 16:14.40 | _-` | Hi, can someone tell me exactly how to make my usb key booting, i tried so many times and it never works : pastebin.com/f72tYtr7 |
| 16:14.43 | boudiccas | themill, still the same person but not recognised the nick yet. just trying to recover from a restore from backup |
| 16:14.46 | _-` | Pleeeeeeeeeeease :) |
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| 16:16.38 | SPF | _-`: try unetbootin |
| 16:16.51 | _-` | I dont want to use this |
| 16:16.59 | _-` | I wanna use dd. |
| 16:17.06 | _-` | And understand how this really work |
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| 16:18.03 | _-` | I've just maked dd </dev/dvd>/dev/usb |
| 16:18.14 | bonks | I installed debian to a usb drive but it is very slow. I am running it on an old box. Would faster or more ram help? If not, what can I try? |
| 16:18.39 | _-` | but now fdisk /dev/usb tells me there are nothing on it |
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| 16:20.26 | themill | _-`: that command doesn't make any sense at all. Did you read the release notes by any chance? |
| 16:20.43 | _-` | And i can see that my dvd have a partition : disk1 & disk1s0 but the key have only disk2 not have any partition =/ oO ? |
| 16:21.14 | themill | (or the install guide?) |
| 16:21.22 | _-` | themill: of dd ? |
| 16:21.46 | babilen | !tell _-` -about usb install |
| 16:21.52 | babilen | !tell _-` -about hybrid images |
| 16:21.57 | _-` | this command is the same as dd if=/dev/dvd of=/dev/usb |
| 16:23.20 | babilen | _-`: /dev/dvd? Please read the notes in the installation guide and dpkg's remarks about hybrid images. You really only have to cat/dd the debian images to the usb (/dev/sdb for example (in particular not /dev/sdb1 or something like that)) |
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| 16:23.37 | themill | /dev/usb is unlikely to be right either |
| 16:24.11 | _-` | im on mac but its the same ive done a dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdb |
| 16:24.50 | _-` | BUT the dvd have a partition => /dev/sdc1 |
| 16:25.00 | themill | _-`: why are you trying to read from a device? |
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| 16:28.25 | _-` | Ok trying dd</dev/disk1s0>/dev/disk2 |
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| 16:30.05 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:30.34 | peterrooney | wonders what's wrong with using dd's if and of options |
| 16:30.43 | Agiofws | hello |
| 16:30.45 | OU818 | where does debian store old mail |
| 16:30.57 | Agiofws | can someone help me umount this safely ? |
| 16:31.02 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.18 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# umount -f /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:31.18 | Agiofws | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 16:31.51 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# lsof | grep '/media/disk-1' |
| 16:31.51 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
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| 16:33.18 | Agiofws | how can i umount this device safely anyone ? |
| 16:33.20 | peterrooney | Agiofws: you must make sure that any active shell isn't currently sitting in it. also, try instead lsof /media/disk-1 without the grep. |
| 16:33.27 | bonks | I installed debian to a usb drive but it is very slow. I am running it on an old box. Would faster or more ram help? If not, what can I try? |
| 16:33.57 | Agiofws | active shell is not in its dirtectory ... |
| 16:33.59 | petemc | bonks: usb drives arent known for their speed, but more ram generally always helps |
| 16:34.09 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# lsof /media/disk-1 |
| 16:34.09 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
| 16:34.22 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/hiTWKk4T |
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| 16:35.13 | Agiofws | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 16:35.16 | Agiofws | An application is preventing the volume "1G Removable Volume" from being unmounted |
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| 16:38.06 | zleslie | I see a sysctl.d directory, but I don't see where that is loaded from. I would expect tht there would be a line in sysctl.conf saying include /etc/sysctl.d/*.conf, but I don't. Anyone know how this gets loaded in Debian? |
| 16:38.15 | _-` | ps -A | grep /media/disk-1 |
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| 16:44.03 | themill | zleslie: the procps init script |
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| 16:44.58 | zleslie | Ahh, of course |
| 16:45.07 | Turux | sorry guys I need your help |
| 16:45.07 | zleslie | themill: danke |
| 16:45.23 | Turux | I put on my debian server wordpress |
| 16:45.42 | Turux | it require an FTP server to manage plugins and more |
| 16:45.44 | boudiccas | i've tried various things to resolve the bug in upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, along the lines of ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645713 .... and all to no avail. ... libgstreamer0.10-0 .... is still not upgraded and remains broken. so for the time being i cant upgrade to wheezy. i just hope that i'm still able to reboot without things getting even more screwed up |
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| 16:47.57 | Turux | anyone? |
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| 16:50.16 | Turux | i'm having huge problems in config vsftpd |
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| 16:52.20 | boudiccas | i've tried various things to resolve the bug in upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, along the lines of ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645713 .... and all to no avail. ... libgstreamer0.10-0 .... is still not upgraded and remains broken. so for the time being i cant upgrade to wheezy. i just hope that i'm still able to reboot without things getting even more screwed up. Can anyone help me in getting wheezy working throu |
| 16:52.20 | boudiccas | gh this bug please? |
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| 16:53.37 | themill | ! immediate configuration |
| 16:53.37 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." Fixing this is quite difficult and will take time... if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install" will often be enough to solve the problem. If "dpkg -r" complains about dependencies, consider adding "--force-depends". |
| 16:54.07 | withheld | Does anyone know how to use update-alternatives? |
| 16:54.09 | boudiccas | ah thanks |
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| 17:01.22 | mekeor | why is there no "wine"-package in debian testing/wheezy ? |
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| 17:05.29 | drwahl | mekeor: i can't answer that question directly, but i have had great success building wine from source on wheezy. you may be interested in checking out that route |
| 17:06.44 | mekeor | drwahl: yes, i'm aware of the way to compile it. but i'd like to build wine's dependencies automatically, e.g. with "sudo apt-get build-dep wine" |
| 17:07.00 | fasta | How do I print an 'encrypted PDF' via the command line? |
| 17:07.15 | fasta | lpr encryptdfile.pdf does not work. |
| 17:07.30 | fasta | By 'does not work' I mean that the forms are not visible. |
| 17:07.33 | petemc | you would obviously need something to decrypt it first |
| 17:07.49 | fasta | petemc: I don't see how this is 'obvious', since Okular can do it. |
| 17:08.00 | fasta | petemc: any way to script Okular would also be ok. |
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| 17:10.54 | latenite | Hi folks, where can I find the official documentation for the "auto installer" the one with preseed.cfg. I want to read about to options on partitioning. |
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| 17:15.32 | willmore | I've got a new install of squeeze with a 3.2 backport kernel (AMD E-350 with funny ethernet chip not supported with stock kernel). I'm trying to get cpu power management setup. All I want is something to load the proper power management module into the kernel and set the governor to 'ondemand'. But, I'm having a hell of a time. |
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| 17:16.11 | willmore | I installed cpufreqd, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. I edited the config file and not the daemon doesn't even run--but it doesn't produce any error, either. *sigh* |
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| 17:18.53 | kelnoky | is there a basic tool to see read/write cycles of the hdd on the fly? |
| 17:19.04 | kelnoky | like, to monitor it |
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| 17:19.22 | kelnoky | there is a hdd here on a server that is under high usage and I wanna know why |
| 17:20.33 | nkuttler | iotop? |
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| 17:20.55 | boudiccas | i give up, i'm in dependency hell, just going round in circles, i cant upgrade to wheezy from squeeze, so i'm stuck with squeeze for the time being |
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| 17:21.21 | jelly-home | kelnoky: install sysstat package, use iostat eg. iostat -x 1 |
| 17:21.24 | nkuttler | !tell boudiccas about errors |
| 17:21.40 | kelnoky | jelly-home: you're in #debian too? :D |
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| 17:21.53 | jelly-home | ? |
| 17:21.55 | kelnoky | well, I cant install new programs |
| 17:22.02 | petemc | kelnoky: or, echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
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| 17:22.10 | petemc | echo 0 to toggle it off |
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| 17:22.32 | kelnoky | jelly-home: #archlinux ;) |
| 17:22.34 | kelnoky | petemc: thanks you |
| 17:22.36 | kelnoky | *thank |
| 17:22.47 | jelly-home | kelnoky: I never was in that channel. |
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| 17:23.04 | jelly-home | probably some other gelatinous person |
| 17:23.08 | kelnoky | jelly-home: ah sorry then |
| 17:23.14 | kelnoky | yeh, we also have our "jelly" :D |
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| 17:23.54 | jelly-home | that exact nickname is registered and protected, so it's probably a slightly different one |
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| 17:24.04 | judgen | where is the gnome default background images located? |
| 17:24.12 | judgen | sorry gdm default images |
| 17:24.17 | kelnoky | jelly-home: it's indeed jelly1 :) |
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| 17:29.03 | boudiccas | upgrqading from squeeze to wheezy ...... http://pastebin.com/Pzjm7x3a |
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| 17:31.45 | boudiccas | nkuttler, upgrqading from squeeze to wheezy ...... http://pastebin.com/Pzjm7x3a |
| 17:31.55 | boudiccas | upgrading |
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| 17:32.37 | mark_u | is there mirrors with lenny still on it? i understand its preferred to upgrade to squeeze but i should at least be able to access the packages still |
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| 17:33.25 | nkuttler | boudiccas: looks like a bug. either try the man page or remove the package i guess. reinstall when not broken any more |
| 17:33.31 | nkuttler | boudiccas: or try the bts |
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| 17:34.21 | boudiccas | nkuttler, its a known bug and in the BTS. there seems to be no way round it |
| 17:35.22 | mark_u | ah nevermind, im using archive.debian.org |
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| 17:36.22 | academy | I have an ipsec tunnel with the rightsubnet=4.2.2.0/24 (for example). 4.2.2.0/24 is via the default gateway. Should thé decapsulated ipsec traffic be routed via thé défault gw? |
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| 17:41.24 | unop | How do I get debian to _not_ clear before presenting the login(1) prompt at boot? |
| 17:41.41 | unop | it didn't use to do that but something has changed in wheezy |
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| 17:42.29 | joltcan | unop: And it's not enough reading /var/log/boot? |
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| 17:43.52 | unop | joltcan, no, it's not a matter of reading that file -- it's about presenting some information on the screen |
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| 17:44.28 | joltcan | unop: ok. I would guess it is getty doing that, maybe the manfile can give some clues |
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| 18:01.21 | kyconquers | I'm trying to install slapd but I have a permissions error, how can i see the uid and permissions of slapd in debian? |
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| 18:07.14 | rneese | afternoon |
| 18:07.23 | rneese | I found a issue with a pkg |
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| 18:07.41 | rneese | why is phppgadmin forceing you to use apache |
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| 18:08.27 | rneese | iwe use nginx and php5-fpm but when we try to use apt-get install phppgadmin it says it has to install pache |
| 18:08.40 | rneese | pache/apache |
| 18:08.48 | petemc | rneese: do you have nginx debian package installed? |
| 18:08.54 | rneese | is there a way to make it use what we have installed |
| 18:08.59 | rneese | yes |
| 18:09.44 | willmore | babilen, you around? |
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| 18:09.53 | Defusal | hi everyone |
| 18:09.58 | rneese | by default a app like phppgadmin and phpmyadmin should not install a webserver |
| 18:10.01 | Defusal | the inotify library i am using does not appear to close registered inotify events, so now my user limit is maxed out. anyone know how to tell the kernel to clear this? |
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| 18:10.24 | petemc | rneese: according to it deps, it should be happy if you have something which provides httpd |
| 18:10.28 | rneese | it should tell they user to install a webserver |
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| 18:10.47 | rneese | its not its trying to install apache |
| 18:10.49 | rneese | 1 min |
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| 18:11.29 | rneese | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 18:11.29 | rneese | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.29 | rneese | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.29 | rneese | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:12.38 | rneese | I will paste |
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| 18:13.53 | rneese | http://paste.debian.net/161388/ |
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| 18:14.16 | rneese | so it seems to be broken |
| 18:14.31 | willmore | I'm using backports to get a kernel that works on my hardware. I'd also like to get other packages from there, but the instructions on the backport page don't seem to work--or there is no newer version. How do I tell which it is? |
| 18:14.32 | rneese | if thats the fact it should accept that nginx is installled |
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| 18:15.47 | willmore | For example, 'util-linux' is at version 2.17.2-9 in squeeze, but I need a newer version that has fstrim in it. |
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| 18:15.58 | lusotux | nickserv identify moreira1234 |
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| 18:16.38 | willmore | I've update the kernel, so I no my sources entry works, but aptitude -t squeeze-backports install util-linux doesn't do anything. |
| 18:16.50 | petemc | rneese: /msg dpkg bat |
| 18:17.38 | themill | rneese: do you have php5-cgi installed? |
| 18:19.44 | Defusal | if anyone even knows just how to get a list of the open inotify file descriptors for a user, i can hack some code together to close them... |
| 18:20.13 | rneese | themill, yes I do |
| 18:20.25 | rneese | and we have it running a site fine |
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| 18:21.04 | rneese | we have a script that installs all the needed php and nginx |
| 18:21.14 | rneese | and we have used it with no issue |
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| 18:21.31 | rneese | till now trying to install phppgadmin |
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| 18:23.02 | themill | rneese: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5-cgi phppgadmin php5-pgsql nginx" |
| 18:25.03 | rneese | http://paste.debian.net/161389/ |
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| 18:26.23 | rneese | http://paste.debian.net/161390/ |
| 18:26.34 | rneese | I missed the paste onthe phppgadmin |
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| 18:26.43 | themill | rneese: so the answer to my question "do you have php5-cgi installed" would actually be "no" then |
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| 18:27.16 | rneese | php5-cli is already the newest version. |
| 18:27.21 | rneese | it is installed |
| 18:27.26 | themill | php5-cli != php5-cgi |
| 18:27.32 | rneese | cgi |
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| 18:27.44 | rneese | we have never used the cgi |
| 18:27.52 | rneese | we use php5-fpm |
| 18:28.05 | themill | and this is the problem you get for using dotdeb packages |
| 18:28.37 | youlysses | Im still a bit confussed wit the debian release cycle ... is there a resource explaining it anywhere? Like is Gnome 3.4 coming to Wheezy or ...? |
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| 18:35.03 | foxtrot9 | sigh sometimes i wish debian had all the popular video games, then I wouldn't have to reboot back into windows :D |
| 18:35.17 | olri | I have a pxelinux netboot autoinstallation working, it's possible to start it from a running linux by command line or grub entry, without bios trigger ? |
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| 18:36.15 | foxtrot9 | olri, as far as I know you will need to configure pxe boot from the client bios, i belive it is the only way. I could be wrong |
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| 18:39.28 | olri | foxtrot9: Ok, i have tested a linux16 grub entry like memtest, grub say wrong format. so far. |
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| 18:42.28 | Defusal | does anyone know how i can clear all inotify file descriptors for a user, or even just get a list of all of them so i can try get some code to do it? |
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| 18:44.41 | rneese | ok got it php5-cgi then makes it so phppgadmin doe see nginx |
| 18:44.43 | rneese | ok |
| 18:44.47 | rneese | its all working |
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| 18:46.38 | bonks | Is there any packages available that does tcp forwarding? |
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| 18:52.06 | jelly-home | bonks: what do you mean by "tcp forwarding"? kernel can do some of the meanings via iptables |
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| 18:53.03 | bonks | i to setup up forwarding on debian, so i can connect to debianbox:port, which redirects to another server:port which debian has access to |
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| 18:54.31 | littlegirl | Hey there, I'm thinking about switching to Debian and am wondering what your release schedule is like for new distributions. |
| 18:54.40 | littlegirl | I should say for new versions. |
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| 18:58.31 | themill | !wwwr |
| 18:58.31 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
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| 18:59.57 | dpkg | ! chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
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| 19:01.03 | peterrooney | And here I thought *I* was being optimistic |
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| 19:05.50 | boudiccas | what is the command to save in visudo please? and also how to exit safely? |
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| 19:06.01 | simonlnu | :wq |
| 19:06.25 | simonlnu | save and exit |
| 19:06.40 | boudiccas | simonlnu, ah right, thanks |
| 19:07.01 | s70rm | and :ZZ |
| 19:08.20 | boudiccas | simonlnu, is that CTRL+w+q ? |
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| 19:08.31 | simonlnu | colon w q |
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| 19:08.55 | s70rm | boudiccas: in text editing mode after finish your edit press ESC, then :wq |
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| 19:09.44 | simonlnu | same for the :ZZ :) |
| 19:10.00 | boudiccas | s70rm, thanks |
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| 19:13.13 | boudiccas | simonlnu, ESC : w q ....... is that right, because it doesnt seem to be working |
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| 19:13.30 | dvs | boudiccas: no ESC |
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| 19:14.27 | peterrooney | wonders why nano isn't the default editor instead of vim - 2/3 the size, and I have to say that while vim may be powerful, it doesn't have a good mental model available for beginning users. Or onscreen instructions. |
| 19:14.30 | simonlnu | maybe you're using nano there |
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| 19:19.40 | boudiccas | simonlnu, yes, it is nano. how then do i save it please? |
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| 19:21.14 | boudiccas | i do 'nano /etc/sudoers ' and it looks the same as when i do 'visudo' |
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| 19:22.07 | dvs | really? |
| 19:22.12 | boudiccas | yes |
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| 19:22.49 | DaveNull | visudo also check for syntax errors... |
| 19:22.49 | boudiccas | but how do i save the file please? |
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| 19:24.34 | DaveNull | ESC :wq, as said before |
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| 19:24.46 | boudiccas | that just isnt working |
| 19:24.54 | DaveNull | the ESC key |
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| 19:25.01 | dtcrshr | for some reason my recently debian netinstall wont get eth0 up. I get this error SIOCADDRT: no such process |
| 19:25.18 | kleanchap | How do I change the editor for crontab edits to vi? |
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| 19:25.28 | simonlnu | boudiccas: there should be a help displayed. otherwise, do ^x and say yes to saving it, or ^o ^x |
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| 19:28.12 | Zylance | i have my debian set to run through TOR (a virtual box that runs everything through my tor server) . When i try to apt-get install i get an error saying i cant connect to xx.debian.org etc.. where xx is my country code... is ther any way around this ? |
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| 19:28.36 | boudiccas | simonlnu, thanks, sorted |
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| 19:54.42 | gotmynick | what is a balloon device? or... what does the virtio_balloon driver? |
| 19:55.18 | gotmynick | and... there is any benefice to load virtio-rng in virtual machines? |
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| 19:55.47 | lcc | I'm using stumpwm on wheezy. every time I close my laptop lid xtrlock is enabled. how can I disable it? |
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| 20:01.49 | rking | What? echo 'echo $PATH' | sudo sh # This is showing my user's $PATH, not roots. Has it always been this way? |
| 20:02.09 | rking | That must be new. I used to do stuff like "sudo ifconfig" all the time. |
| 20:02.58 | gotmynick | it's because the pipe, try something like: sudo echo "$PATH" |
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| 20:03.29 | rking | Nah, that would interpolate before the command is ever run. It would always be the caller's $PATH. |
| 20:03.58 | rking | If I do: echo 'echo $USER' | sudo sh # it says root |
| 20:03.58 | gotmynick | then use single quotes |
| 20:03.58 | rking | That only says "$PATH" |
| 20:04.14 | rking | sudo echo '$PATH', that is |
| 20:04.57 | kevlarman | rking: that's because there's no shell evaluating $PATH at all there |
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| 20:05.27 | rking | kevlarman: Right, that makes sense. |
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| 20:06.05 | rking | So dpkg installs are failing because sudo isn't finding ldconfig, etc. I need to figure out how to get it to have sbins in the $PATH again. |
| 20:06.26 | rking | (I'm doing a full-upgrade on a year-old sid, if that helps explain some of the reason why I'm seeing sudden problems) |
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| 20:07.47 | gotmynick | sudo /bin/sh -c 'echo $PATH' #works here |
| 20:08.06 | rking | gotmynick: Yep, that gives me the caller's $PATH. |
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| 20:08.21 | rking | I have "Defaults env_reset" in the sudoers file. |
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| 20:09.28 | DaveNull | rking, why not using a simple "su -", then make your updates, then ^D |
| 20:09.54 | gotmynick | good idea |
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| 20:10.43 | rking | DaveNull: Well, that's inconvenient for one... for example in a script you'd have to get complex. And for two, it wouldn't fix dpkg -i's brokenness. |
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| 20:11.59 | rking | At least I think that's the chain that is failing. sudo aptitude -f upgrade # is giving me: dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 20:12.33 | rking | Things like "sudo ifconfig" should definitely work. Something is wrong in the config somewhere. |
| 20:12.44 | DaveNull | rking, sorry, i don't use dpkg but always apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade on sid |
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| 20:13.04 | rking | DaveNull: But that internally uses dpkg, which is what is failing for me. |
| 20:13.19 | gotmynick | mmm anyway... I've "Defaults env_reset" too, and I still get sbins with sudo /bin/sh -c 'echo $PATH' as plain user |
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| 20:13.38 | rking | gotmynick: OK, thanks. That's good to know. Something is crazy over here. |
| 20:13.43 | gotmynick | but this is an up-to-date testing |
| 20:13.47 | gotmynick | :) |
| 20:14.46 | rking | Aha, OK... I rejected the installation's attempt to install a new sudoers, because I didn't want to rewrite my config, but it looks like the one in the package has a secure_path line that is new. |
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| 20:15.17 | rking | That did it. =) |
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| 20:18.30 | boudiccas | ,versions handbrake |
| 20:18.31 | judd | No package named 'handbrake' was found in i386. |
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| 20:20.01 | DaveNull | it's called handbrake-gtk or handbrake-cli, afaik |
| 20:20.27 | eggsby | Hi guys, I'm having a bit of trouble upgrading from lenny.. getting errors about tar not working and apt not being installed |
| 20:21.35 | eggsby | http://pastie.org/3693963 does anyone know what my problem might be? |
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| 20:25.38 | itchi | eggsby: Try updating tar first |
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| 20:35.04 | eggsby | itchi: should I try to locate the .deb manually? updating tar gives that same error |
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| 20:35.48 | eggsby | a-la http://pastie.org/3694044 |
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| 20:43.13 | bernard | hi |
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| 20:44.42 | bernard | I'm using Sid. Since my upgrade from 3.2.0-1-amd64 to 3.2.0-2-amd64 linux-image, I get a kernel panic when kernel starts loading |
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| 20:45.17 | nkuttler | bernard: well report a bug.. and add as much info as you can |
| 20:45.40 | bernard | nkuttler: so it's not a known case? |
| 20:46.02 | eggsby | http://pastie.org/3694098 :/ |
| 20:46.04 | nkuttler | !tell bernard about bts |
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| 20:46.45 | eggsby | what can I do to install tar? |
| 20:47.05 | nsadmin | you should have it |
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| 20:47.19 | eggsby | nsadmin: but I am getting errors about tar when trying to install apt-utils |
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| 20:47.33 | eggsby | and getting errors about apt-utils when trying to use apt-get |
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| 20:47.43 | nsadmin | alright, try tar --version |
| 20:47.53 | eggsby | 1.20 |
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| 20:48.00 | nsadmin | so you have tar |
| 20:48.08 | nkuttler | eggsby: which debian release are you running? |
| 20:48.11 | dvs | older than squeeze |
| 20:48.18 | eggsby | lenny, i'm trying to set up a VPS which was provisioned with lenny |
| 20:48.18 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
| 20:48.38 | eggsby | /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_1.20-1+lenny1_amd64.deb the errors I get are: http://pastie.org/3693963 |
| 20:48.46 | bernard | nkuttler: do you know any way to get messages printed (very quickly) between grub and a kernel panic? shit+page_up doesn't work |
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| 20:48.58 | honschu | imx-uart.0: ttymxc0 at MMIO 0x43f90000 (irq = 45) is a IMX |
| 20:48.58 | honschu | console [ttymxc0] enabled |
| 20:49.05 | eggsby | also when I try to run 'sudo su' it automatically runs 'exit' :( |
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| 20:49.13 | honschu | what is the corresponding mknod for ttymxc0 ? |
| 20:49.15 | eggsby | nvm, not doing the exit thing anymore |
| 20:49.24 | nkuttler | bernard: no idea. i guess you could log to serial console or something |
| 20:49.32 | eggsby | is there *anything* I can do to get aptitude working? |
| 20:50.02 | nsadmin | you seem to be mixing with another dist |
| 20:50.19 | eggsby | is there a dist-downgrade or something |
| 20:50.30 | dvs | !tell eggsby about downgrade |
| 20:50.35 | nsadmin | oh, did you try to upgrade? |
| 20:50.40 | honschu | Hi, I want to do "mknod ttymxc0 c ? ?" because my kernel says: "imx-uart.0: ttymxc0 at MMIO 0x43f90000 (irq = 45) is a IMX console [ttymxc0] enabled". |
| 20:50.42 | eggsby | I tried to dist-upgrade |
| 20:50.45 | eggsby | and it blew up |
| 20:50.47 | nsadmin | to? |
| 20:50.52 | eggsby | wheezy, foolishly |
| 20:50.57 | nkuttler | haha |
| 20:51.08 | nsadmin | oh, you should do one at a time |
| 20:51.14 | nsadmin | you want to go to squeeze |
| 20:51.14 | eggsby | I realize that now... :p |
| 20:51.20 | eggsby | is there any recovery? |
| 20:51.45 | nkuttler | eggsby: well.... you can do a manual package install, and then reinstall it. but you'll probably run into more trouble... |
| 20:51.53 | nkuttler | eggsby: you should upgrade to the next release |
| 20:51.59 | eggsby | i'll try |
| 20:52.06 | nsadmin | well not sure, and, I want to talk about the worst case, which is to back up your /home and your databases |
| 20:52.14 | kevlarman | eggsby: reinstalling is probably easier, but you can do something with a live cd |
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| 20:53.08 | nkuttler | eggsby: yeah, just reinstall.. much quicker than anything else |
| 20:53.31 | eggsby | Okay, I'll try to contact the provider to get the VPS re-provisioned |
| 20:53.32 | nsadmin | but back up before you do that |
| 20:53.33 | eggsby | thanks guys |
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| 20:53.59 | GTRsdk | Does iwlegacy work in Wheezy with kernel 3.2/3.3? |
| 20:54.11 | nsadmin | did you just start with this thing? |
| 20:54.18 | aleixdorca | Quick one... I'm trying to install wheezy using xen netboot images (initrd.gz nand vmlinuz). Every time I install I end up with a Squeeze system... anyone knows where the proper images can be downloaded? |
| 20:54.30 | honschu | Hi, I want to do "mknod ttymxc0 c ? ?" because my kernel says: "imx-uart.0: ttymxc0 at MMIO 0x43f90000 (irq = 45) is a IMX console [ttymxc0] enabled". But I don't know the major and minor numbers. It's a embedded system: So no automatic /dev for the first start. So: how Do I find the correct numbers for '?' '?' |
| 20:54.33 | nsadmin | or had it for years and lots of data? |
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| 20:55.15 | eggsby | welp |
| 20:55.18 | eggsby | don't even have make on this machine |
| 20:55.26 | eggsby | don't think I'm going to be able to install tar from source |
| 20:55.53 | nsadmin | install it from the original package |
| 20:55.59 | nsadmin | wait it is that |
| 20:56.14 | nsadmin | it's whatever is calling tar |
| 20:56.29 | eggsby | yes tar is breaking with an invalid option because the option is only in newer versions of tar |
| 20:56.37 | eggsby | but I can't build tar from source because I don't have 'make' :( |
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| 20:57.54 | nsadmin | , file dpkg-deb |
| 20:57.58 | judd | Search for dpkg-deb in squeeze/i386: dpkg: usr/bin/dpkg-deb |
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| 20:58.19 | kevlarman | eggsby: get a live cd, use the dpkg on the live cd to repair the system enough to make it run dpkg, continue |
| 20:58.27 | nsadmin | ok, look for /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_* |
| 20:58.31 | kevlarman | eggsby: but you'll use a lot less time if you just reinstall |
| 20:58.32 | nsadmin | which there may be two |
| 20:59.28 | rking | Under Gnome, when I plug in my phone as a USB storage device, it somehow automatically mounts it in /media. How do I do this manually since right now X is broken for me? I don't see anything in /var/log/messages which tells me what /dev/ it is. |
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| 20:59.46 | nsadmin | if this vps is brand new, I'd also recommend reinstall |
| 20:59.58 | rking | Actually I might be screwed -- udev said it was not going to work with the kernel I had, and I accidentally let it upgrade anyway. |
| 20:59.58 | kevlarman | rking: udev does that iirc |
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| 21:00.09 | rking | kevlarman: Shucks. I'm trying to fix udev. =) |
| 21:00.18 | kevlarman | rking: so mount it by hand |
| 21:00.33 | rking | kevlarman: That's what I'm asking how to do. I don't know what device it is. |
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| 21:00.37 | rking | Or what FS type |
| 21:00.38 | nsadmin | under Gnome is Lawn |
| 21:00.47 | kevlarman | rking: mount will guess the fs type |
| 21:00.55 | kevlarman | you just need to know its device node |
| 21:01.01 | rking | Hrm.. OK |
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| 21:01.18 | kevlarman | (which might not exist without udev :P) |
| 21:01.57 | rking | And I checked, /var/cache/apt doesn't have the previous udev .deb |
| 21:02.27 | kevlarman | rking: how about your old kernel? |
| 21:02.37 | kevlarman | err wait nvm |
| 21:02.43 | rking | =( |
| 21:02.43 | kevlarman | rking: so your kernel is too old? |
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| 21:02.55 | rking | kevlarman: Exactly. For some reason it didn't pull an update down. |
| 21:03.14 | kevlarman | rking: so can't you just update the kernel too? |
| 21:03.24 | nsadmin | if your vps is brand new, reason for trying to straightening this out manually like this is if you want to , maybe to learn stuff |
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| 21:03.27 | rking | kevlarman: I would, but I don't have network access. |
| 21:04.01 | rking | kevlarman: So I was going to use this laptop and manually download the linux-image .deb, but without being able to get my USB storage going, I don't have any immediate way to get files to the computer. |
| 21:04.36 | kevlarman | rking: so if you try to manually bring up the network it doesn't work? |
| 21:04.45 | kevlarman | iirc with cat5 it shouldn't require any udev |
| 21:04.58 | rking | kevlarman: I don't have any wired network around here, it's all Wifi |
| 21:05.27 | kevlarman | still probably doable, though much more annoying |
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| 21:05.49 | rking | kevlarman: And the rt61pci-based card was only half-way working before the update. It was very spotty, but now it fails to ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 21:06.40 | kevlarman | rking: unplug router->plug it into laptop? :P |
| 21:07.00 | rking | kevlarman: I'm in like an apartment complex with shared internet. |
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| 21:08.03 | rking | There it goes. The ifconfig fails with: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware. # I googled it some, but didn't find anything (yet) |
| 21:08.11 | kevlarman | rking: live cd then |
| 21:08.29 | simonlnu | !rtlx00 |
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| 21:08.37 | simonlnu | !rtlx |
| 21:08.40 | rking | kevlarman: Yep, I think so. I was hoping to not have to go buy CD-Rs, but I think that's what it's come to. |
| 21:09.06 | kevlarman | rking: you can use a usb stick if you can boot from one |
| 21:09.30 | simonlnu | duh.. |
| 21:09.30 | rking | kevlarman: All I have is the phone as far as USB storage. I wonder if it could do that. =\ |
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| 21:09.48 | kevlarman | rking: nope, you need to format it to do that |
| 21:09.51 | peterrooney | !listkeys rtlx |
| 21:09.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rtlx' by key returned no results. |
| 21:09.54 | simonlnu | !rt2x00 |
| 21:09.55 | dpkg | The rt2x00 project is a development effort providing Linux drivers for Ralink wireless LAN chipsets, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For driver details, ask me about <rt2400pci>, <rt2500pci>, <rt2500usb>, <rt61pci>, <rt73usb>, <rt2800usb>, <rt2800pci>. http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ #rt2x00 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:10.03 | rking | kevlarman: Hehe... yeah, not what I want to do in this case. =) |
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| 21:10.28 | kevlarman | rking: i'd buy a usb stick, costs the same as a box of cdrs but more useful :P |
| 21:10.33 | rking | I'm ceaselessly amazed at the channels Freenode has. |
| 21:10.40 | rking | kevlarman: Good thinking, yep. |
| 21:10.57 | kevlarman | although keeping a live cd around is a good idea in general |
| 21:10.59 | rking | kevlarman: Thanks for talking with me about this. I get gummed up sometimes and start feeling whipped. |
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| 21:13.05 | nsadmin | rking, that part can really suck... been there |
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| 21:13.57 | rking | I was thinking about trying a different distro (after 16 years of Debian-only), but I think you guys are reminding me of why I like Debian. =) |
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| 21:29.04 | ben1066 | other than compiling it myself, is there any way to get mono 2.10 on debian squeeze |
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| 21:29.34 | streuner | Did you look at backports yet? |
| 21:29.44 | ben1066 | Looked there |
| 21:29.46 | ben1066 | nada |
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| 21:30.16 | streuner | maybe google for meebey, maybe he made some stuff, i dunno |
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| 21:31.30 | ben1066 | doesnt appear to be anything either |
| 21:31.31 | ben1066 | :S |
| 21:32.59 | ElDiabolo | Is there any kind of infrastructure that could help me port my debian packages to more platforms? Something like perl testers e.g.? |
| 21:33.28 | nevyn | epm ? |
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| 21:35.41 | ElDiabolo | nevyn, What does epm mean ? Thats not a nick, is it ? |
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| 21:35.56 | nevyn | effin' package manager |
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| 21:37.23 | nevyn | it builds rpms, debs etc from a single source |
| 21:37.32 | nevyn | it does not comply to policy |
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| 21:38.48 | ElDiabolo | nevyn, Uh, sorry, I meant architectures. I can easily build and test amd64 and i386. Others I can't test. |
| 21:39.59 | nkuttler | ElDiabolo: debian has build servers for all kind of archs, but i think you need to be a debian developer to use tat |
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| 21:40.03 | nkuttler | that |
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| 21:43.04 | ElDiabolo | Na, than I'll stay on x86ers or perlify my C package. That could be an option :) |
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| 21:51.05 | mirak | hi |
| 21:51.25 | mirak | i dropped to busybox because my mdadm array was degraded |
| 21:51.34 | mirak | is there a way to continue from busybox ? |
| 21:51.42 | mirak | to continue the interupted boot process |
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| 21:52.13 | phogg | mirak: where are you in the process? How did you get to where you are from the running system? |
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| 21:53.09 | phogg | it might be as simple as exiting, if you're in a rescue shell. you might need to telinit 2 or such if you dropped manually to runlevel 1 |
| 21:53.31 | phogg | if you broke in to the initrd shell there could be other options |
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| 21:54.16 | mirak | phogg, it just dropped there because it can't mount root |
| 21:54.21 | ben1066 | blagh, ima track wheezy instead of squeeze |
| 21:54.24 | ben1066 | this is getting stupid |
| 21:54.27 | mirak | because root is on the array |
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| 21:54.46 | mirak | phogg, it tried to put up mdadm and lvm |
| 21:54.53 | _ramo | what could it be if my server is reachable via ssh but i don't see the webpage anymore? |
| 21:54.58 | _ramo | hi btw. |
| 21:55.05 | _ramo | where can i loock what's happenin? |
| 21:55.15 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to change the kernel console after the kernel is loaded? |
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| 21:55.21 | mirak | phogg, init is not found |
| 21:55.25 | Sazpaimon | or does it have to be specified at the kernel command line |
| 21:55.28 | phogg | _ramo: httpd procrss is stopped or not listening on the public interface |
| 21:55.47 | phogg | mirak: probably you need to exit or continue the boot process manually... |
| 21:55.53 | mirak | ok i will try that |
| 21:55.55 | _ramo | phogg: but this happens just sometimes |
| 21:56.00 | _ramo | 2 minutes ago it does |
| 21:56.08 | _ramo | and i've restarted the apache webserver |
| 21:56.20 | mirak | phogg, i need to put lvm up |
| 21:56.23 | phogg | _ramo: troubleshooting is a process. First try the easy stuff. Make sure apache (or whatever) is running and listening. |
| 21:56.30 | mirak | i don't know how to do it manually |
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| 21:56.43 | _ramo | phogg: now it's working again |
| 21:56.59 | _ramo | isn't there a system log where i can see what the last two minutes happened to the system? |
| 21:57.04 | phogg | _ramo: check your log files. Load spiking? Errors from apache? |
| 21:57.39 | phogg | _ramo: lots of them, try /var/log/syslog and /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/kern.log first |
| 21:57.46 | _ramo | no errors from apache |
| 21:58.02 | phogg | _ramo: kern.log if you suspect a hardware problem or kernel bug, syslog for other things |
| 21:58.20 | phogg | _ramo: from memory I probably can't give you reliable information, sorry |
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| 22:00.09 | phogg | mirak, _ramo: sorry that last message was for mirak. |
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| 22:00.50 | _ramo | phogg: okay |
| 22:00.59 | _ramo | tail -f on these log files showed no errors |
| 22:01.17 | bambanx | hi |
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| 22:02.04 | phogg | _ramo: why -f? Also, it might have scrolled off. Make sure you review logs back until the timestamps show you're before the problem started |
| 22:02.11 | phogg | bambanx: hi? |
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| 22:05.53 | bambanx | guys how i can extract a .zip and move the folder to other folder with shell commands? |
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| 22:06.19 | kevlarman | bambanx: you'll want to read the unzip and mv man pages |
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| 22:13.30 | bambanx | when i start my debian and i should put the password for enter on my system , this screen are called gdm ? |
| 22:14.36 | streuner | if its with colours, most likely |
| 22:16.33 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to change the kernel console after the kernel is loaded or does it have to be specified at the kernel command line? |
| 22:19.19 | jbrks | Sazpaimon, you mean grub's kernel boot line.. it takes a grub or lilo to pass bootline arguments to the kernel |
| 22:19.37 | Sazpaimon | jbrks, no, I mean after the OS has loaded |
| 22:19.47 | Sazpaimon | I want to change the kernel command line to something else |
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| 22:20.21 | jbrks | Sazpaimon, you can do it from grub only. You can set it up in the boot loader's config, or you can even change it temporarily/dynamically upon the boot menu |
| 22:20.38 | jbrks | (grub or lilo-- not sure if lilo allows to dynamically change it on the boot menu though) |
| 22:21.05 | jbrks | ,/bootloader app/grub only/ |
| 22:21.30 | jbrks | you control the kernel options from the bootloader |
| 22:21.57 | jbrks | -- so if you want a "default" for grub you can set it up either in menu.lst or grub.cfg depeneding if its grub1 or grub2 |
| 22:22.09 | Sazpaimon | well Im on an embedded device so no grub |
| 22:22.26 | jbrks | but..grub.cfg in grub2 is special.. you need to use a custom_ template and issue upgrade-grub2 to update grub.cfg |
| 22:23.11 | kevlarman | Sazpaimon: you definitely have a bootloader of some sort though |
| 22:24.39 | bambanx | i installed a few gdm themes via synaptic how i can change now it? |
| 22:26.04 | jbrks | Sazpaimon, #oe |
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| 23:01.07 | manhunter | is it possible to load a module during install using debian.iso cd? |
| 23:01.25 | gnarface | probably |
| 23:02.01 | manhunter | how? |
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| 23:02.08 | manhunter | does anyone know? |
| 23:02.11 | jbrks | manhunter, ya.. i believe in the advanced setup there's that option to load modules |
| 23:02.34 | jbrks | (choose expert mode) |
| 23:02.35 | manhunter | expert method?? |
| 23:02.46 | gnarface | manhunter: how depends largely on whether its a module already on the installer or not |
| 23:02.47 | manhunter | what's the command to load modules? |
| 23:02.51 | gnarface | modprobe |
| 23:02.53 | gnarface | or insmod |
| 23:03.06 | gnarface | (alt-f2 to get a console) |
| 23:03.29 | manhunter | i mean loading modules during installation with cd |
| 23:03.34 | gnarface | many of them (at least in expert mode) show up in a menu and you can just check them off |
| 23:03.45 | gnarface | i think |
| 23:04.07 | gnarface | manhunter: yea that's what i meant too. alt-f2 to get a console. |
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| 23:04.39 | gnarface | manhunter: what module is this? there are optional installer components too |
| 23:04.39 | manhunter | how can i know which modules are available with that cd? |
| 23:04.42 | manhunter | is there any command? |
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| 23:05.29 | gnarface | manhunter: its probably documented somewhere, but once you have a console open you may be able to browse for them |
| 23:06.18 | manhunter | what's the command? |
| 23:06.32 | gnarface | alt-f2 |
| 23:06.52 | manhunter | then what? |
| 23:07.07 | gnarface | are you familiar with browsing a filesystem by console on an installed system? |
| 23:07.29 | gnarface | same thing |
| 23:07.32 | gnarface | different filesystem |
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| 23:07.59 | Cskiboy | Just a general piece of info: If Nautilus keeps crashing, check if you have a .svg file in your ~ directory. If so, move it. It finally fixed the problem. It is a VERY strange bug, and there seems to be little note of it. |
| 23:08.19 | Cskiboy | It took me an hour to figure out. |
| 23:08.27 | manhunter | is it possible to install something during installation? |
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| 23:08.50 | manhunter | not in a partition, rather to use that during instalation |
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| 23:09.02 | jbrks | manhunter, no. if you install something, don't expect it to install at all. |
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| 23:09.42 | babilen | Cskiboy: Could you report it to the BTS? Please give as much information on how to reproduce it as you can. See also "/msg dpkg reportbug" and referenced factoids. Thank you. |
| 23:09.42 | gnarface | manhunter: you can write to /tmp in the console that comes up in alt-f2 |
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| 23:10.11 | manhunter | can i use irssi during installation? |
| 23:10.19 | manhunter | or any text based chat client? |
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| 23:10.40 | abrotman | during installation? |
| 23:10.48 | manhunter | yes |
| 23:10.50 | Cskiboy | babilen: Okay, sounds good to me. |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | manhunter: it'd be a pain, do you really need it ? |
| 23:11.37 | jbrks | maybe he wants to try debian-live before installing anything |
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| 23:13.06 | manhunter | in grub.cfg, linux/boot/vmlinuz root=UUID=aaa ro quiet |
| 23:13.25 | manhunter | here how can i append something to load additional modules? |
| 23:13.51 | jbrks | manhunter, can you define the problem? |
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| 23:14.47 | manhunter | i need to load modules during installation from cd |
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| 23:15.17 | jbrks | manhunter, can you define the modules? |
| 23:15.29 | jbrks | this is gonna be a long nite i guess |
| 23:16.46 | manhunter | jbrks: any modules |
| 23:17.04 | jbrks | well that's not defined. so I guess it's not a problem. |
| 23:17.15 | jbrks | use virtualbox and try debian in there.. |
| 23:17.27 | jbrks | https://www.virtualbox.org/ |
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| 23:20.24 | manhunter | gnarface: alt-f2 |
| 23:20.29 | manhunter | gnarface: then what to typ? |
| 23:20.43 | manhunter | gnarface: modeprobe -all should list installed modules? |
| 23:20.57 | themill | manhunter: you'll get much better support if you explain what you're actually trying to do and why |
| 23:21.08 | manhunter | what command would i type to see available modules that can be loaded during installation? |
| 23:21.49 | gnarface | manhunter: you're confused about something here - this is going to take more than one command. and i don't have them all memorized for you. |
| 23:22.09 | manhunter | to load ext4 module |
| 23:22.14 | manhunter | or ntfs module |
| 23:22.19 | themill | why... |
| 23:22.30 | manhunter | i need to mount ntfs partition |
| 23:22.36 | dvs | ... |
| 23:22.44 | manhunter | during boot, i go to the shell |
| 23:22.44 | jbrks | oh.. so he isn't installing debian.. |
| 23:22.52 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 23:23.01 | gnarface | all becoming clear now |
| 23:23.10 | gnarface | manhunter: just use the debian livecd for whatever horrible shit you're doing. |
| 23:23.10 | manhunter | gnarface: clear what? |
| 23:23.14 | dvs | fogs up |
| 23:23.40 | nsadmin | manhunter, you can look at the source config file for that kernel |
| 23:24.06 | manhunter | nsadmin: where is that? |
| 23:24.26 | nsadmin | not sure. what is its uname -a? |
| 23:24.28 | manhunter | jbrks: i'm going to install |
| 23:25.03 | manhunter | for modprobe -all, kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko |
| 23:25.09 | manhunter | where does it reside? |
| 23:25.13 | manhunter | where is it located? |
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| 23:26.00 | jbrks | manhunter, install it then |
| 23:26.07 | jbrks | .zorchin. |
| 23:26.25 | manhunter | no |
| 23:26.33 | manhunter | it's installed here |
| 23:26.37 | manhunter | i'm on debian system |
| 23:26.39 | manhunter | now |
| 23:26.48 | manhunter | i want to know where does it locate? |
| 23:27.07 | jbrks | manhunter, your english isn't native, you speak another language much more fluent. (there's #debian-languages ) |
| 23:27.13 | manhunter | kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko , where is that file? |
| 23:27.20 | themill | manhunter: is there any chance you can start again and explain what it is you're actually trying to do? Please use as complete sentences as you can so we have some hope of helping you. |
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| 23:28.04 | manhunter | themill: where is kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko |
| 23:28.25 | themill | why do you need to know? |
| 23:28.39 | themill | (there is no reason why you would need to know) |
| 23:28.47 | manhunter | i need to know |
| 23:28.52 | themill | gives up |
| 23:28.58 | manhunter | themill: do you know the answer? |
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| 23:29.37 | manhunter | themill: ok, i'm pming you the problem |
| 23:30.10 | jbrks | manhunter, i asked you to define your problem. and you said you wanted to be able to load any module. You still never defined any problem so far.. afaik.. but rather how linux actually works. People can learn how linux works based off wikipedia.org and linuxtopia.org |
| 23:30.13 | manhunter | can i run insmod ext4.o during installation? |
| 23:32.16 | gnarface | manhunter: you can |
| 23:32.44 | manhunter | how can i set option to load module during boot from installer cd? |
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| 23:33.15 | manhunter | it straightway gives me the look to instlal install,lxde,xfce,graphical install etc |
| 23:33.27 | manhunter | should i type ESC to set option? |
| 23:33.38 | abrotman | manhunter: no need to msg me, you can talk here |
| 23:33.38 | manhunter | if i press ESC , i get prompt , boot: |
| 23:33.57 | manhunter | abrotman: what can i type when i get , boo: |
| 23:34.00 | manhunter | boot: |
| 23:34.17 | manhunter | abrotman: if i press ESC, i get boot: |
| 23:34.48 | gnarface | abrotman: its a really simple question. certainly you can answer it. after that tell me where my pizza is. i pressed ESC then typed "gimme pizza" so certainly that should have worked no? |
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| 23:35.09 | jbrks | !shebang |
| 23:35.09 | dpkg | i heard shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 23:35.16 | jbrks | bang bang! :) |
| 23:35.33 | jbrks | thinks linux!=unix |
| 23:35.46 | manhunter | themill: i gotcha, /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel |
| 23:36.16 | themill | manhunter: you're not going to get any useful help until you explain your problem. |
| 23:36.32 | manhunter | themill: i told you |
| 23:36.40 | manhunter | themill: what would i type from, boot: |
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| 23:36.52 | themill | *sigh* |
| 23:36.59 | manhunter | the expert model say, install modules=vga |
| 23:36.59 | themill | !xyproblem |
| 23:36.59 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 23:37.09 | manhunter | boot: install modules=vga |
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| 23:37.21 | manhunter | or boot: install , for default |
| 23:37.23 | jbrks | believes manhunter made a custom kernel package without ext4 support |
| 23:38.02 | manhunter | i'm going to boot again from cd. |
| 23:38.31 | gnarface | thinks manhunter wants to use the grub menu to load a module then expect it to still be loaded in the running environment after boot |
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| 23:48.30 | Cskiboy | Either manhunter is not speaking English as a native language, or he is a very, very good troll. |
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| 23:49.27 | abrotman | he comes around enough .. |
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| 23:50.59 | nkuttler | he does indeed.. |
| 23:52.32 | Cskiboy | abrotman: I dunno. One time, I spent hours talking to an IRC bot that I was convinced was a 26 year old Japanese girl interested in computers and American culture. I spent HOURS discussing news stories, American slang, and coding. And she thurned out to be a bot. |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | Cskiboy: not the case here |
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| 23:53.28 | themill | Somehow helping manhunter always turns into a game of jeopardy. |
| 23:53.55 | jbrks | well manhunter fails the turing test- He's unable to define the problem. |
| 23:53.56 | abrotman | with that nick, are you surprised ? |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | jbrks: we have native english speakers that fail that test :) |
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| 23:54.22 | Cskiboy | abrotman: http://bit.ly/7bX2hq |
| 23:54.32 | dvs | IS watching Jeopardy |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | Cskiboy: looks like a dirty URL |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | dvs: i missed it :( |
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| 23:55.14 | dvs | abrotman: They're about to do Final Jeopardy |
| 23:55.48 | Cskiboy | abrotman: full URL: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ |
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| 23:56.02 | fortress | i have a question about gnome classic. I am on Debian Wheezy, and I much prefer gnome classic. How long will gnome classic be included in Debian testing? |
| 23:57.04 | somiaj | the plan is to release wheezy with gnome3 (I'm unsure what you mean by gnome clasic though fortress) |
| 23:57.12 | Cskiboy | fortress: What's the name of the package(s)? |
| 23:57.22 | dvs | somiaj: Gnome 2 |
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| 23:58.19 | fortress | I guess it's Gnome 2. The login manager calls it "Gnome Classic" |
| 23:58.37 | somiaj | dvs: kinda what I thought, but I also thought gnome3 had made it mostly into wheezy by now (though I haven't kep track) |
| 23:58.39 | fortress | I really don't like Gnome 3, because I cannot arrange my workspaces in a grid |
| 23:59.14 | somiaj | fortress: use squeeze, it will use gnome2 for its life span. It will be supported for another 2 (give or take) years |
| 23:59.17 | fortress | my question is basically this, how long can I keep using Gnome 2 for? Will it eventually break during an update? |
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| 23:59.58 | Cskiboy | fortress: I've heard good things about xfce. You might consider switching. |
