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| 00:00.01 | somiaj | fortress: there is no clean answer for that, testing is a moving target. The plan is to release wheezy with gnome3 so I would assume it will eventally get all replaced with gnome3 sometime. |
| 00:00.03 | fortress | somiaj, well I just finished setting everything up on Wheezy, and I need Wheezy for some other packages. What's the best strategy to keep using Gnome 2? |
| 00:00.18 | somiaj | fortress: run squeeze, use backports for the software you need newer |
| 00:00.44 | fortress | Cskiboy: I tried xfce, but it only allows linear workspace arrangement as well. |
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| 00:01.31 | fortress | somiaj: So it's likely that one day, Gnome 2 will not work at all on Wheezy? If that's the case then using Squeeze does sound like the best option... |
| 00:01.31 | kevlarman | fortress: there's also mate, but don't be surprised if it doesn't quite work yet |
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| 00:01.38 | gnarface | remembers when gnome wasn't a window manager, just an app you ran in E 0.16 |
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| 00:02.12 | fortress | Does anyone know if it would be possible to somehow "preserve" Gnome 2 functionality in Wheezy going forward? |
| 00:02.35 | Cskiboy | fortress: You just asked that question. Give it some time. |
| 00:02.43 | gnarface | i expect massive forking |
| 00:02.52 | Cskiboy | motherforking |
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| 00:03.10 | dvs | fortress: There's a Tom's Hardware article about getting Gnome 3 to be useful again |
| 00:03.15 | Cskiboy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/29/torvalds_tantrum_opensuse/ |
| 00:03.17 | jbrks | well don't forget sporking for spooners and forkers |
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| 00:03.39 | Cskiboy | tosses jbrks 10 internets. |
| 00:03.49 | jbrks | never bought a spork in his life, but thinks he might |
| 00:03.59 | fortress | dvs: I have read a lot of articles and no one seems to know how to re-enable workspace grid arrangement in Gnome 3. The most that can be done is to set a fixed number of workspaces |
| 00:04.22 | Cskiboy | jbkrs: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/8ace/ |
| 00:04.41 | Cskiboy | jbkrs: The only spork you'll ever need |
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| 00:05.40 | jbrks | i dunno.. i like to have it in gold |
| 00:06.01 | jbrks | i like to keep my metal shiny |
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| 00:07.12 | fortress | Okay so it turns out 'Gnome Classic' is in fact 'Gnome Fallback Mode'. |
| 00:07.16 | fortress | Not sure that it's Gnome 2 |
| 00:07.20 | cwillu | if I have a package retrieved via apt-get source, and uscan finds and downloads an updated tarball, how do I convince dpkg to build that? |
| 00:08.02 | somiaj | fortress: no that is a mode inside gnome3 |
| 00:08.07 | themill | dpkg: tell cwillu about uupdate |
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| 00:08.46 | themill | cwillu: depending on the package, there may be quite a lot of work to update the packaging to the new source package though. What package are you looking at? |
| 00:08.59 | cwillu | warzone2100 |
| 00:10.05 | Cskiboy | looks at xfce... |
| 00:10.16 | Cskiboy | It's... It's beautiful... |
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| 00:11.01 | cwillu | themill, it fails saying that I can't do this with a debian native package |
| 00:11.20 | cwillu | I feel an urge to stab something, but I suspect that's more to do with the heat than anything |
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| 00:12.14 | Cskiboy | cwillu: stab an Ubuntu live CD. |
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| 00:12.41 | Cskiboy | cwillu: Your frustration will be put towards a noble cause. |
| 00:12.44 | cwillu | they still make cd's? |
| 00:12.54 | cwillu | ("they" meaning "manufacturers") |
| 00:13.03 | Cskiboy | cwillu: I'm sure they do. |
| 00:13.34 | Cskiboy | Yup: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/cds |
| 00:13.45 | cwillu | stabs Cskiboy reading comprehension |
| 00:14.04 | themill | cwillu: something's unhappy then, because it's not a native package. (btw you know that 2.3.8 is available from squeeze-backports, if you're running squeeze) |
| 00:14.15 | cwillu | I'm referring to the physical objects, having not seen one in a year or so |
| 00:14.25 | cwillu | themill, and online play pretty much requires 3.1 |
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| 00:15.00 | cwillu | (which doens't exist in a non-beta form, hence the requirement to build it :p) |
| 00:15.20 | write | Hello, can i ask my first ever question, i'm in deep trouble installing debian for the first time. |
| 00:15.27 | themill | yeah, uscan is only going to get you 2.3.9 |
| 00:15.29 | cwillu | however, having blown away the old folder and sourcing it again, things seem to be working now, so I probably broke it |
| 00:15.32 | write | I'm completely noob |
| 00:15.41 | Cskiboy | write: mkay |
| 00:15.43 | cwillu | themill, I beat that into submission already :p |
| 00:15.55 | cwillu | (one of the beatings is the likely cause of failure) |
| 00:16.20 | Cskiboy | write: What's the cause of the trouble? |
| 00:16.34 | write | I can't install debian squeeze |
| 00:16.50 | write | It can't connect to internet. |
| 00:16.58 | Cskiboy | write: okay. Do you have a live cd? |
| 00:17.04 | write | No. |
| 00:17.05 | dvs | write: A wireless connection won't work |
| 00:17.14 | write | It's wired connection. |
| 00:17.25 | write | I have the debian squeeze installer iso. |
| 00:17.28 | cwillu | stabs pointless patches in that break the build |
| 00:17.31 | Cskiboy | write: What are you installing it with? |
| 00:17.37 | cwillu | god, is there anything that stabbing _doesn't_ fix? |
| 00:17.47 | write | The cd with debian squeeze installer iso. |
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| 00:17.58 | Cskiboy | write: First off, what kind of system do you have? |
| 00:17.59 | write | The first cd. |
| 00:18.24 | write | Cskiboy: I could not understand what you are talking. |
| 00:18.50 | Cskiboy | write: Do you speak Engish as a native language? |
| 00:18.52 | write | What system? I'm completely noob. I need to connect to internet. |
| 00:18.54 | dvs | write: What is the filename of the ISO file you burned? |
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| 00:19.34 | Cskiboy | write: Let's start over. What are you doing to install it. walk me through the steps. |
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| 00:20.04 | write | Is it? Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a "Squeeze" |
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| 00:20.29 | Cskiboy | write: How did you burn the CD, exactly? |
| 00:20.46 | write | I used, brasero. |
| 00:21.08 | Cskiboy | write: Okay. Have you booted up into the live cd? |
| 00:21.26 | jbrks | brasero, hey.. bravo! |
| 00:21.29 | write | It's not live cd. It's the debian installer. |
| 00:21.52 | Cskiboy | write: whatever you feel comfortable calling it. |
| 00:21.59 | write | I have other linux like Fedora 16. |
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| 00:22.17 | Cskiboy | write: And you need an internet connection to use it? |
| 00:22.19 | jbrks | write, fedora 16? lol.. i'll never go back to fedora ever.. |
| 00:22.55 | write | Cskiboy: During installation the installer tries to connect to internet but it fails . |
| 00:23.02 | Cskiboy | write: So you don't have an internet connection. |
| 00:23.03 | write | It tries with DHCP |
| 00:23.17 | write | I have internet connection on Fedora 16. |
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| 00:23.39 | write | But it fails during installation because it's a pppoe connection. |
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| 00:23.48 | Cskiboy | write: how is your computer connected to the internet in fedora? |
| 00:23.53 | write | pppoe |
| 00:24.02 | write | pppoe-setup, pppoe-start |
| 00:24.13 | write | rp-pppoe |
| 00:24.55 | tabakhase | hm, are there any cool "i throw my backup in your box and you make it undeletable"-service? service as in 'they care for the storage and i pay a little price /GB' |
| 00:25.07 | Cskiboy | What does the installer say EXACTLY when it fails? |
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| 00:26.31 | Cskiboy | write: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en |
| 00:26.37 | tabakhase | and storage as in daily grow 10-20 GB |
| 00:26.56 | Cskiboy | write: Try that. |
| 00:27.17 | Cskiboy | boot parameter "modules=ppp-udeb" |
| 00:27.33 | kevlarman | tabakhase: i wouldn't expect to find anything notably cheaper than s3 for the actual storage part |
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| 00:28.06 | tabakhase | kevlarman s3 were my first intent to, but thats kindof "to webfacing"... |
| 00:28.19 | write | Cskiboy: Thank you. How would i go for that boot parameter? |
| 00:28.29 | tabakhase | and im missing the 'undeletable' part |
| 00:28.48 | Cskiboy | where it says push TAB for install options |
| 00:28.51 | kevlarman | tabakhase: how do you make something undeletable? |
| 00:29.03 | Cskiboy | and enter that in along with everything else. |
| 00:29.22 | write | Cskiboy: When would i push tab? |
| 00:29.38 | Cskiboy | write: ...... |
| 00:29.44 | tabakhase | kevlarman lets say 'undeletable if you just hacked one of the backup pushing boxes' |
| 00:29.55 | Cskiboy | write: It's a button on the keyboard. |
| 00:30.00 | write | I have also tried Ubuntu, can i install pppoe during installation like dpkg -i pppoe.db? |
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| 00:30.21 | Cskiboy | write: Just follow the instructions. |
| 00:30.32 | Cskiboy | write: push tab, and type it in. |
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| 00:30.37 | Cskiboy | hit enter. |
| 00:30.47 | Cskiboy | continue as normal |
| 00:31.12 | write | Cskiboy: When would i push Tab button? |
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| 00:31.52 | Cskiboy | write: http://youtu.be/gugbMw4LigY |
| 00:32.17 | Cskiboy | write: when it says "push tab to...blahblahblah." |
| 00:32.38 | tabakhase | kevlarman im having a similar setup runnning now using scp-only bash, but i cant get storrage cheaper than 2TB@80€ | 6TB@180€ what includes a whole server, whil i just want the storage... |
| 00:32.59 | write | Cskiboy: I didn't see anything 'push tab to .." |
| 00:33.16 | Cskiboy | graaaaaaahhhh |
| 00:33.27 | write | Broken? http://www.youtube.com/gugbMw4LigY |
| 00:34.25 | kevlarman | tabakhase: btw scp only is really hard to do |
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| 00:34.46 | kevlarman | sftp is a lot easier to lock down |
| 00:35.17 | tabakhase | might be true, setted up the archiver 'years' ago ;-) |
| 00:35.45 | kevlarman | tabakhase: i *think* s3 allows you to deny yourself permissions to a file after uploading it |
| 00:36.00 | kevlarman | but their docs aren't that great |
| 00:36.12 | Cskiboy | I've started up #debian-noobs |
| 00:36.26 | Cskiboy | Feel free to mingle |
| 00:37.34 | RainbowW | is there a way to do a count of the number of files in a directory? |
| 00:37.39 | RainbowW | rather, a directory tree? |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | RainbowW: find . -type -f | wc -l |
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| 00:39.30 | Cskiboy | sorry: ##debin-noobs Two pound signs. |
| 00:39.39 | Cskiboy | damn typing |
| 00:39.45 | abrotman | Cskiboy: are you done being a pain in the butt? |
| 00:39.46 | Cskiboy | ##debian-noobs |
| 00:40.36 | farkyoo | Z/me headbutts desk |
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| 00:41.16 | Cskiboy | abrotman: I'm just trying to start up a channel where simpler questions can be answered. |
| 00:42.12 | gnarface | Cskiboy: i think you'd be better off in #bash or #linux |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | Cskiboy: that's what this channel is for |
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| 00:51.44 | kyconquers | I tried installing slapd from source with the pid file in "/usr/local/var/run/" but it errors that it can't access the pid file. I tried changing the directory to the /tmp but same effect. |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | why not just use the packages? |
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| 00:54.48 | kyconquers | abrotman, the package uses an older version of one of the libraries and there is a big bug that prevents me from doing what I need. The bug was fixed in the next version. |
| 00:56.39 | kyconquers | abrotman, any idea what the problem is? |
| 00:56.46 | abrotman | !tell kyconquers about ssb |
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| 00:57.50 | kyconquers | abrotman, neither whezzy's nor sid's versions are new enough. |
| 00:58.06 | kyconquers | though both have the lib right before the fix |
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| 00:58.13 | abrotman | kyconquers: which version did you conmpile ? |
| 00:58.29 | gnarface | versions openldap |
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| 00:58.32 | gnarface | ,versions openldap |
| 00:58.33 | judd | No package named 'openldap' was found in i386. |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | judd: versions slapd |
| 00:58.41 | judd | Package: slapd on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny: 2.4.11-1+lenny2.1; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.4.23-7.2; sid: 2.4.28-1.1; wheezy: 2.4.28-1.1 |
| 00:59.15 | kyconquers | version 2.4.29 has the fix for a perl backend |
| 00:59.24 | kyconquers | which is what i need to do |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | !tell kyconquers about uupdate |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | kyconquers: who owns /var/local/run/ ? |
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| 01:01.45 | kyconquers | abrotman, root staff owns /usr/local/var/run |
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| 01:02.09 | abrotman | kyconquers: and who does slapd run as ? |
| 01:02.38 | kyconquers | abrotman, i'm not sure |
| 01:03.28 | kyconquers | what does it mean by upstream? is that the newest release? or the newest that has been turned into a debian package? |
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| 01:05.34 | tk` | i'm using sid on my server |
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| 01:05.52 | tk` | and there's nothing you can do to stop me! |
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| 01:07.11 | ninaxX | how do i recover dual boot after windows installation _ |
| 01:07.39 | abrotman | ninaxX: get your debian insatllatin media, reinstall grub |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | use rescue mode |
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| 01:08.12 | ninaxX | abrotman: i installed netinst |
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| 01:08.44 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | !tell ninaxX about fixmbr |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | !tell ninaxX about rescue mode |
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| 01:12.18 | ninaxX | abrotman: netinst installer also have a resue mode |
| 01:12.20 | kyconquers | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:13.38 | abrotman | ninaxX: yes it does |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | kyconquers: ? |
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| 01:14.17 | ninaxX | thank you |
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| 01:14.43 | kyconquers | abrotman, the update may be the solution to my problem |
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| 01:14.54 | abrotman | uupdate i hope you mean |
| 01:14.57 | kyconquers | *uupdate |
| 01:15.03 | kyconquers | yes |
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| 01:15.21 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 01:16.11 | johnfg | I was going to install iceweasel 4.0 from squeeze-backports per this webpage: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-install-firefox4-in-debian-linux/ |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | johnfg: not likely |
| 01:16.23 | kyconquers | abrotman, is there a list somewhere so i can see all of debhelper's factoids? |
| 01:16.32 | abrotman | kyconquers: you mean dpkg ? |
| 01:16.43 | abrotman | !tell kyconquers about your factoids |
| 01:16.44 | kyconquers | yes |
| 01:16.44 | johnfg | However, the line for sources.list doesn't work. |
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| 01:16.54 | johnfg | abrotman, why not? |
| 01:16.56 | abrotman | johnfg: use the instructions at mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:17.00 | kyconquers | thanks |
| 01:17.05 | johnfg | abrotman, OK, will do. |
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| 01:18.10 | raj | where can i find docs about using libreoffice's --convert-to ? |
| 01:18.24 | write | Hello |
| 01:18.37 | write | Cskiboy: Hello, |
| 01:19.01 | somiaj | raj: man libreoffice then search for --convert-to ? |
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| 01:19.10 | raj | i did |
| 01:19.14 | raj | didn't see it in there |
| 01:19.30 | write | How can i check if the network connection is ok or not? ping www.google.com , /bin/sh: ping not found |
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| 01:19.39 | somiaj | yea I guess the man page is a bit weak, try #libreoffice raj |
| 01:19.42 | write | During installation how can i check if the network connection is ok or not? ping www.google.com , /bin/sh: ping not found |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | write: telnet ? curl ? |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | wget ? |
| 01:20.00 | raj | somiaj, #libreoffice is even more useless |
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| 01:20.07 | raj | oddly enough, google has no useful results either |
| 01:20.15 | somiaj | raj: have you search around their webpage for documentation? |
| 01:20.27 | write | abrotman: man wget |
| 01:20.38 | write | abrotman: man not found |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | write: the installer will tell you if the network is okay .. |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | write: you don't need to second guess it |
| 01:21.03 | write | abrotman: How can i install man,ping during install |
| 01:21.03 | somiaj | raj: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ (no clue what documentation would contain more detailed info) :/ |
| 01:21.15 | write | abrotman: I can't ping |
| 01:21.26 | write | abrotman: How can i use wget to check if the network is ok? |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 01:21.39 | write | abrotman: wget is installed, i think |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | why do you think ping is important ... the *installer* will tell you if thenetwork is okay |
| 01:21.54 | raj | somiaj, nothing in there about command line stuff |
| 01:22.01 | write | abrotman: How can i use wget ? |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | write: why do you think thenetwork is broken? |
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| 01:22.47 | write | abrotman: How can i be sure? |
| 01:22.52 | somiaj | raj: well from the man page my guess is it can take any file it can read and save it as any file it can save, but yes it would be nice to have a better reference on options. |
| 01:23.19 | raj | yeah ! :) |
| 01:23.25 | write | abrotman: Is it possible to install additional packages during installation? like ping |
| 01:23.32 | raj | i don't see it in the manpage though somiaj, where do you even see that? |
| 01:23.38 | write | I can't even do ifconfig |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | write: why would you care? |
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| 01:23.48 | abrotman | write: why not just finish the install ? |
| 01:23.50 | DanDare | Hello. I have this mini-pci wireless card "BC4311", after reading this http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx Im still not sure wich driver I should install. Debian 6 stable here, any clue ? |
| 01:23.52 | somiaj | raj: search for --convert-to in the man page, I have a simple explination and then an example |
| 01:23.53 | write | abrotman: Is it possible to use ifconfig? |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | !phillysmite ron_o |
| 01:23.59 | dpkg | obliterates ron_o with a bucket of Schuylkill River water |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | write: why the heck does it matter, just finish the install |
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| 01:24.24 | write | abrotman: I have installed debian on other partition skipping internet connection. |
| 01:24.40 | write | abrotman: Debian squeeze. |
| 01:24.40 | nsadmin | so, it should have a base |
| 01:24.51 | nsadmin | and not much else |
| 01:25.04 | write | Is it possible to use ifconfig during installation? |
| 01:25.18 | johnfg | abrotman, Thanks for the help on iceweasel! |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | write: boot your regular system, configure the network .. you're dooing it the hard way |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | johnfg: enjoy :) |
| 01:25.46 | somiaj | raj: so I would use google to search for the document types libreoffice supports. That should probabaly give you enough to get it to work (I'd hope) |
| 01:25.54 | write | I want to know to get more flexibility during installation. |
| 01:26.08 | write | How can i use ifconfig during installation? |
| 01:26.10 | raj | somiaj, i went to #libreoffice cuz google gave me nothing useful |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | write: maybe you should fix your instlaled system |
| 01:26.19 | raj | then I came here cuz #libreoffice is desolate |
| 01:26.22 | write | How can i do ping,man during installation? |
| 01:26.27 | johnfg | abrotman, I will. Will apt remove 3.0 first or if I like 4.0 will I need to remove it manually? |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | johnfg: mozilla.debian.net probably installed 11.x |
| 01:26.42 | somiaj | raj: just be paitient with the smaller rooms, I had help a few times in that chan, I just had to wait a few hours for someone to respond. |
| 01:27.03 | write | I have fixed the installed system, i have been able to get internet connection with that partition of debian squeeze, that's running debian perfectly well. |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | johnfg: and yes, it should replacde it |
| 01:27.10 | somiaj | write: you can hit ctrl-alt-f2 but the default debian installer only has a very limited shell and tools (basically enough to do an install) |
| 01:27.18 | raj | somiaj, 114 people isn't small! haha |
| 01:27.28 | write | somiaj: I know that, |
| 01:27.40 | somiaj | write: if you want to have a system with more tools during the install use one of the live images from debian-live.net |
| 01:27.46 | somiaj | write: arg, sorry live.debian.net |
| 01:27.49 | write | somiaj: How can i add additional package to that shell to overcome the limitation? |
| 01:28.14 | somiaj | write: with the default installer, you don't it isn't designed to server your idea. Grab a live image since that sounds like you want. |
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| 01:28.17 | write | somiaj: Is it possible to add more tools there during installation? |
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| 01:28.28 | abrotman | fixes somiaj's keyboard |
| 01:29.05 | write | Is it possible to add more tool to debian default installer during installation? |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | !tell write about repeat |
| 01:29.23 | write | To get more flexibility with the default shell during installation. |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | wonders if dpkg has an 'annoying prick' factoid ... |
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| 01:29.59 | somiaj | abrotman: it is totally a pebkac error. |
| 01:30.20 | chuy_ | I need to setup and configure KDE4 on all of them for all accounts and I mean the desktop wallpaper, start menu icons and application settings. |
| 01:30.22 | write | abrotman: How did you fix somiaj's keyboard? |
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| 01:30.48 | write | Cskiboy: Are you there? |
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| 01:31.05 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.12 | LtL | oh, i'm sorry! |
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| 01:34.25 | chuy_ | which files should I copy to skel |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | LtL: good plan |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | chuy_: copy to? or from ? |
| 01:35.47 | dvs | ya |
| 01:36.33 | chuy_ | I need to setup and configure KDE4 on all of them for all accounts and I mean the desktop wallpaper, start menu icons and application settings |
| 01:37.07 | chuy_ | i need to know which files should I copy to skel and what not, |
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| 01:39.33 | chuy_ | is the first time I do this in kde4 |
| 01:42.27 | chuy_ | in gnome i know which files should I copy, but kde not |
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| 01:46.03 | chuy_ | i really apreciate our help |
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| 01:55.10 | chuy_ | usermod -d /etc/skel USERNAME; chown -R USERNAME /etc/skel |
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| 01:55.33 | abrotman | what? |
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| 01:55.34 | abrotman | why? |
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| 01:55.43 | abrotman | looks at eir |
| 01:56.58 | chuy_ | I found this command in a forum, this works in kde4 |
| 01:57.19 | sheep | that's a bad idea |
| 01:57.51 | sheep | well the second part anyway. it should be chown -R username.groupname /home/username |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | no, ti's a bad idae .. that's not how /etc/skel works |
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| 02:00.53 | chuy_ | not like gnome3 this because i wanto use kde4, its my firts time I do this in kde4 |
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| 02:04.15 | chuy_ | i not know which files I should copy to skel |
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| 02:05.33 | gnarface | chuy_: any files you want to be automatically copied to newly-created home directories for users you added with adduser. it begs the question though; what files do you need that aren't already in there you can just edit instead? also, it begs the question; wtf does that have to do with kde? |
| 02:07.19 | chuy_ | I do this for all new user accounts have the same configurations |
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| 02:08.55 | chuy_ | automatically |
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| 02:12.35 | chuy_ | only i need a config a skeleton for skel,this works in kde4 |
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| 02:16.31 | gnarface | chuy_: i don't know much about kde but i would imagine it just pulls files from /etc/skel like everything else. have you tried putting your kde configs in there? |
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| 02:21.36 | chuy_ | but sreew ups some configuration |
| 02:23.18 | chuy_ | blasma,shourcuts plasma and grafics tings |
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| 02:24.01 | gnarface | chuy_: well unfortunately i know even less about kde than you so that's all i've got for you, sorry. i'm sure someone in here can help more though |
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| 02:25.37 | chuy_ | tanks for you atentions |
| 02:26.01 | chuy_ | ce ya byw and take care |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | anyone get that? |
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| 02:31.12 | gnarface | abrotman: just barely, but yea. too bad he didn't realize i meant to imply that he hang around for a few days till someone shows up to answer his question |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | it didn't make much sense, kde4 creates those dirs when you login |
| 02:33.05 | LtL | gnarface: there are dozens of kde4 forums with an identical question as his... no good answers really, except a program named 'kiosk' from kde3. |
| 02:33.14 | gnarface | i assumed user error |
| 02:33.15 | abrotman | he never said he was going to customize the contents of those dirs |
| 02:33.54 | gnarface | still uses E 0.16 because everything else is to fucking complicated |
| 02:34.08 | gnarface | s/to/too |
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| 02:35.02 | abrotman | like icewm? |
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| 02:35.41 | gnarface | dunno |
| 02:36.02 | gnarface | i stopped on E 0.16 long before there were so many damned alternatives |
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| 02:36.27 | gnarface | it was like, this or tab |
| 02:37.14 | gnarface | there is *also* such a thing as too simple |
| 02:37.29 | gnarface | i just draw the line closer to the simple end of the spectrum than most i guess |
| 02:37.36 | karlpinc | gnarface: I use e16. I had to customize it to make it acceptable. I've faint hopes of something better for wheezy. |
| 02:38.19 | gnarface | karlpinc: i had to customize mine too. i think i even remember being angry about it, but ... that was like 12 years ago |
| 02:38.25 | gnarface | karlpinc: i've gotten over it |
| 02:38.45 | karlpinc | gnarface: Well, gotta move to e17 for wheezy. At least. I'm hoping it's not a do-over. |
| 02:38.56 | gnarface | karlpinc: btw 23-ounces of glass is the only really *finished* e16 theme |
| 02:39.24 | gnarface | e17 tries to hard to be os X |
| 02:39.32 | gnarface | s/to/too |
| 02:39.36 | gnarface | must be time for me to take a break |
| 02:40.21 | gnarface | never wanted a "desktop environment" just wanted a window manager with good support for virtual desktops and multiple monitors |
| 02:40.44 | gnarface | a window manager is just something you use to open more terminals |
| 02:40.56 | gnarface | although its nice if it doesn't make your eyes bleed too |
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| 02:41.13 | abrotman | gnarface: maybe you should try a tiling WM |
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| 02:41.40 | gnarface | abrotman: no i don't like the premise. i still like placing my windows manually, the old fashioned way |
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| 02:42.00 | gnarface | abrotman: besides, you can set e16 to tile by default too |
| 02:42.10 | gnarface | abrotman: its just that awesome |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | welcome to 1997 |
| 02:42.37 | gnarface | exactly |
| 02:42.45 | gnarface | after that everything just started getting... worse |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | you sound like nsadmin |
| 02:42.58 | abrotman | and jhutchins |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | all rolled up into one |
| 02:43.04 | gnarface | i'm glad we're clear on that. now get off my lawn |
| 02:43.16 | gnarface | oh wait, i'm on your lawn |
| 02:43.16 | gnarface | sorry |
| 02:43.41 | abrotman | Don't worry, we'll just label you a senile old man .. no big deal |
| 02:43.54 | gnarface | haha |
| 02:44.07 | gnarface | wanders into traffic |
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| 02:44.37 | abrotman | better than being the traffic |
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| 02:47.19 | write | Hello, how can i check available modules ? |
| 02:47.25 | write | to add during installation |
| 02:47.46 | write | During installation Tab key and add option |
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| 02:50.42 | raj | has anyone ever used libreoffice's command line converter? |
| 02:55.34 | anotherone | raj I never used |
| 02:56.54 | raj | k |
| 02:57.19 | anotherone | lol |
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| 03:00.19 | ChibaPet | So, out of curiosity, why doesn't interfaces(5) mention the gateway keyword? That seems like it'd be common enough to be worth noting. |
| 03:00.37 | gnarface | it doesn't !? |
| 03:00.46 | gnarface | that is disturbing |
| 03:00.46 | ChibaPet | It doesn't, no. :P |
| 03:01.17 | ChibaPet | Oh, hrm. It does in Squeeze. |
| 03:01.21 | ChibaPet | It doesn't in Wheezy. |
| 03:01.32 | gnarface | hmm. doesn't in sid either |
| 03:01.46 | ChibaPet | Is there... some reason? Or is it just an oversight? |
| 03:01.53 | gnarface | no idea honestly. i wonder if thats an accident or maybe there's another interfaces manpage now? |
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| 03:02.34 | gnarface | possible its being deprecated for some inscrutable reason but that seems just as odd |
| 03:02.44 | ChibaPet | Right, that's what I'm wondering. |
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| 03:02.59 | ChibaPet | I think tomorrow I'll open a bug on it, and if there's a reason for its not being there someone will certainly let me know. :P |
| 03:03.08 | gnarface | i think that's a good plan |
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| 03:03.16 | ChibaPet | It still *works* in Wheezy. |
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| 03:03.37 | gnarface | well it still works in sid too |
| 03:04.09 | ChibaPet | Oh, it's definitely a bug. |
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| 03:04.20 | ChibaPet | The man page is almost the same, but the INET ADDRESS FAMILY section is missing. |
| 03:05.15 | ChibaPet | Alright, hitting the sack. I'll open a bug in the morning. |
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| 03:05.38 | somiaj | ChibaPet: have you checked the change log, maybe they mention the manpage change? |
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| 03:11.30 | Lint | I cannot log in because some process eats up 100% of resources, what to do? |
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| 03:14.59 | LtL | Lint: how do you know that? |
| 03:15.25 | Lint | system doesn't respond and I get login timeout |
| 03:15.54 | LtL | Lint: ssh into it? shut it down, restart, rescue mode, check logs |
| 03:16.13 | Lint | I don't have a computer to ssh from |
| 03:16.14 | LtL | Lint: a remote box? |
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| 03:17.26 | LtL | Lint: you have local access to it? i don't see much of a choice, hard shutdown power button |
| 03:17.42 | Lint | bah |
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| 03:19.39 | LtL | Lint: yeah, well.. there's always waiting. |
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| 03:25.44 | kleanchap | If I want to shutdown my computer through cron, which would be the recommended command "poweroff" or "shutdown -now"? |
| 03:26.24 | LtL | kleanchap: shutdown -h now |
| 03:27.41 | kleanchap | LtL, Thnx. Is shutdown recommend over poweroff? I would like a clean shutdown. |
| 03:28.19 | kleanchap | actually power off the computer but cleanly. :-) |
| 03:28.24 | LtL | kleanchap: /sbin/shutdown -h now will shut it down cleanly. |
| 03:29.01 | kleanchap | LtL, Thnx again. |
| 03:29.11 | LtL | kleanchap: welcome |
| 03:30.12 | Solarbaby | kleanchap: I never issue those kinds of commands directly in cron I have cron load a script that has those commands in it |
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| 03:35.02 | fortress | I'm having difficulty with suspend on Debian testing. My desktop suspends, but upon waking it, the screen is black except for the Gnome 3 panel at the top (with the time etc) |
| 03:35.13 | fortress | there seems to be no way to unlock the screen |
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| 03:36.48 | fortress | I also cannot switch to another terminal using control + alt + fkey |
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| 03:37.15 | somiaj | fortress: are you on a network you can ssh into the box? |
| 03:37.26 | somiaj | fortress: almost seems like the resume is crashing right near the end. |
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| 03:37.39 | fortress | somiaj: yes i can ssh into the box |
| 03:38.08 | somiaj | fortress: check top, noticing anything fishy? Is a process going defunct or using to much cpu? |
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| 03:39.02 | Keith-BlindUser | Hi folks. I'm curious about the quality of Debian packages usually. I've worked with other systems like CentOS6 just as an example, and seem to have an awful lot of issues reconfiguring packages and such when things don't work. How does Debian compare in this respect? Just curious. Thanks! |
| 03:39.27 | fortress | somiaj: i'll be back in a minute |
| 03:40.28 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: what do you mean by reconfiguring packages? |
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| 03:40.44 | Keith-BlindUser | As in say, dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 03:40.55 | Solarbaby | Keith-BlindUser: Debian is known for its Good Stability |
| 03:41.01 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: debian stable is a frozen interface that works really well (and there shoulnd't be any dependency loops and everything should work). |
| 03:41.01 | Keith-BlindUser | Awesome! |
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| 03:41.59 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: there is lots of testing to ensure that the stable packages play well together. If you start mixing things outside of debian stable into your system you may run into issues (though the squeeze-backports is a good repo) |
| 03:42.19 | Solarbaby | Keith-Blinduser: I found Debian nearly 10 years ago when Redhat just tortured me so badly I had to leave them behind. I've never looked back since, Debian has been really good to me |
| 03:42.30 | Keith-BlindUser | I hope to never mix stuff. Seriously it would be nice to avoid problems-not cause them. |
| 03:42.51 | peterrooney | Keith-BlindUser: using stable has caused me problems exactly once in the past decade, and that was during a distribution upgrade on frankenmac powerpc architecture. |
| 03:43.03 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah. |
| 03:43.14 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: a common complaint on debian is teh age of versions in stable, but this is because they are well tested and put together as a stable system. backports are the sane way to deal with something you may need that isn't a part of debian stable. |
| 03:43.37 | peterrooney | testing is quite correctly *not* called 'tested' |
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| 03:43.53 | Keith-BlindUser | Any documentation that outlines the general upgrade process from one stable release to another? |
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| 03:44.12 | Keith-BlindUser | Such as perhpas: an apt-get dist-upgrade? Or I wonder if that's not advised. |
| 03:44.19 | Keith-BlindUser | perhaps, even. |
| 03:44.32 | fortress | somiaj: As I was about the SSH into the box, the box rebooted itself (after hanging on the black screen with the top panel) |
| 03:44.37 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: the release notes describe the process. And the bot here is very good too, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze (for isntance) |
| 03:44.42 | kleanchap | If I want to update Debian via crontab, how do I overcome some of the interactive questions for some of the packages being updated? |
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| 03:45.26 | fortress | it does this each time after resuming from suspend: it hangs on a black screen with no way to unlock it, and then reboots after around 20 seconds |
| 03:45.48 | peterrooney | Keith-BlindUser: generally, it's editing sources.list, then running apt-get dist-upgrade. the bot here knows all, especially /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> |
| 03:45.54 | somiaj | fortress: you'll have to check the logs, see what is causing the hicup in the resume. |
| 03:46.16 | fortress | somiaj: which logs? where can I find them? |
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| 03:46.23 | somiaj | though lenny->squeeze was slightly problemnatic because of adding udev, I wonder if the squeeze->wheezy will be smoother |
| 03:46.28 | somiaj | fortress: /var/log -- poke around |
| 03:46.32 | fortress | ty |
| 03:46.52 | Solarbaby | keanchap: I've always read bad things about updating automaticly |
| 03:47.20 | Solarbaby | kleanchap: sometimes you really need to be there in front of the konsole to answer questions |
| 03:48.07 | kleanchap | Solarbaby, Thnx. |
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| 03:48.57 | Solarbaby | kleanchap: you could write a script that will inform you what updates are available and email you so you know to update when you get a chance |
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| 04:09.20 | fortress | I am having difficulty getting S3 suspend to RAM working in Debian testing. It will suspend and wake up, however on waking up it will freeze and sometimes reboot after n seconds. |
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| 04:15.33 | ridwan | Hy |
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| 04:18.31 | kleanchap | How can I change the GDM background? |
| 04:18.51 | evilaim | haha |
| 04:19.30 | evilaim | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=56835 |
| 04:21.17 | kleanchap | thnx |
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| 04:25.14 | fortress | somiaj: I managed to SSH into the box while it was frozen. Xorg was using tons of CPU, from 50% - 100% on and off. Any ideas? |
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| 04:25.40 | fortress | I also disabled compiz, and the box still freezes when waking from suspend |
| 04:26.05 | Darkbulb | fortress, does x do this all the time or only on wake from suspend |
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| 04:26.24 | fortress | Darkbulb: Only when waking from suspend (S3 suspend to RAM) |
| 04:26.38 | fortress | It does it in xfce as well as Gnome |
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| 04:44.14 | bleck | Puggy muggle maggity ass riggle ma hole. Buck a waath ess wheel wall! Bustin' room past tin! Buckin' room past in! A harnaly scrary o mep. |
| 04:44.16 | bleck | Reccal theh mick thuck the rep tep taistral. Wallif ma wallis wallets. Is anyone here a jelly-o shkrapper? Bam glacky I'm mega man! Has anyone here ram baisted before? The koost a heeckil pludgeon. Feathers round rick gring air! Liquid cereal's good for you. The mummified goblin. Pallaj oh plex. |
| 04:44.17 | bleck | Moomassu desu, niddle the bair bons with caution Belgabble wolf waffy. Is anyone here a rubberty duggger? Is anyone a reggy dick plegger? Shoody spalooj moojer! Mella murtasTcM. Is this happy hour at the retard shack again? ron ron reggatoon. Walla julie malerf luck. Weggerty wing yaing plucking time! |
| 04:44.19 | bleck | Gotta set up for the suicide slide Gamma mareenmon. I've got more scrap ass shit than you can balieve with. Sally McDuffo whip. after secv on a sp00ky stream F/\gga foo regga makegg mahoun. Its all fun and games until the power goes out. Mennima Pay Street. rubbbity dib dadge pickard. Lelly in ma kellar. |
| 04:44.21 | bleck | I'm on recky o gregor street. Miggity ass raggan. Boyar bod. Pellicka pool wiss wall. Watching bynum bukkake the smelts Haggity ass mahown. Trukkity rep roon, the kitz a kickel plujin. Trellalickers and burb street. Huck a dickin' dime. |
| 04:44.23 | bleck | Float a pelly plaack ass. You're a digital dumbass. Smuggy jaloo meff jillahole. Dick, dick, dick dickaloo! Dick dickaloo my darling. Haggity ma heggal hole. nuriggerdy diggal. Visi blurb cage. O melon man mist meluhn mijohn. Oh man mellajoram. Hebble oh babble. |
| 04:44.25 | bleck | Two guns and a ruck roog. Turned into a hollow loop. scritch scratch the happy fog. Is anyone here a fudge plucker. I'm talking bout a rastal marry yo map. Too many ruggerty dag datoes Or are you fuck wappys out for kill gore! |
| 04:44.27 | bleck | The curmudgeonly pearl; ask and you might be answered. Finger with a whop top tinger. Rig tig tigger. I'm ram bastin' I'm feelin' clean! Pricey bad ass, a whop winger! Gullable dick waffer. Miggity mahoming beacon. Nick lickal novice. Your remenance. Square juice miknuller. Permio plather. |
| 04:44.29 | bleck | Where does master words eat pies for shells? Trenna ma lilla manole. A rargy barg ark. Shockity strip with the rectify guy. Clockity rep with the rectify fly. Hebble o babble. Rudda nah neh noo. HEP TEP ROGGY! I'm thinkin' about greckin' the rummified coin! Let's look at Amenhotep 4's mummified groin! |
| 04:44.31 | bleck | Ploona lefflie ludge picking! Haggy smith heddal, marry oh dettal. Hannabalist, no cannibalist, no hannibalist balievar. Ban dackoo. Put on weight! Wherr wiss fall, nudge plucking. too many |\|igg/\s, that's my line. I'm squirt with the worth of the mother plucking fine. Hoomee missee Mic daisy too. Davey oh doubt. Meggie mahoo middle. |
| 04:44.33 | bleck | Too many Romulan potatoers. Matoonal dakkal. Helly muhp, melly muhp, runna minuck taste-rum. Wack ass weight! Hellamanorf weg watthal. I think I'll just start to try my .smuretsaTcN rubbbity boom ducking. Hitchaleval exasht romice. Up with jelly my humpfrins. Uva devil miss tee pie. She can't poo! |
| 04:44.34 | bleck | Shniqqen munuh lik leggal perritolma penis pran chella maloney day breeze Paahster jam ban wikkle. Hella mah lun mick hella malole. Hella minull mic mella manoh. The roadline, it's illegal. Trully mulla mih nole. I'm a relladge-o-melladge-o-ram. Come on you fuckin dag asses. |
| 04:44.36 | bleck | Damned ram bastions. oilleJcM oper Smelly gruthergrarin trilaxals. withers ground ring air Puggle dee maggle dee mack traggle Jeremy sniqqle. Jeremy spoken, in next day I brusht boyered, I kicked a ball! mellaminorf troll protectors, trolls on the road! troll protectors, their stones of power glow! |
| 04:44.38 | bleck | Fleeberty dith bub, a hick now a hither they humpty tance Lunchell munch a reg uhl schoolio tress nael Chuck a lick a loon baby tunes Weerz mellicorp To the wack ann watching machine wells darilla raptor plexing |
| 04:44.39 | kbar | ..... |
| 04:44.40 | bleck | Shligga ligga millik hole Shligga ligga millik hole regamakio mathjul hah there Just like in Bart Simpson the Magazine! Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! menario mibs Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin slujjal jeggy moran magomorph baleener |
| 04:44.42 | bleck | I spell it throwt, you spell it throat, the real way to spell it is throwt throwt THROWT! Hux a mex a lig dwarf dudikolan mail street. Rella manae, Rella Manae, Rye dut duh! I'm living on budgy placky street. Reggal dee deck shweener Hicker trellalicker |
| 04:44.42 | kbar | someone ban this guy please? |
| 04:44.44 | bleck | What part of that doesn't make sense to you robo I'm rang dang smacking it up to the reck a heek a horn drom. Rag agg big chacka lo datey fifty. Sniggital maggal Shelly a jelly a jew lillaputan meglamarian necks booga man Rejja mella mic jeggal Baika looka reg tag |
| 04:44.46 | bleck | Throat a pelly proat raick axe. It doesn't eat muggo whip. It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. Where's songy brother? Where's spongy brother? Jellanie mic flyer. Paloody pluck bag ack. Paloody pluck bag ack. |
| 04:44.48 | bleck | Whyn you call it throat throwt. I'm a baffy hoe. Flivvy a niv von neffran. Purity and prudence I'm suing for diaper damage. Scragg a billy blunk rake rast eye heeker, playmus guy I don't know what a rubbbity dabby is. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. |
| 04:44.50 | bleck | Arthie shlellijge. Arthie shlellidge. Talking about a bee turning into a guano root. today I'm doing pasta, i crumble it and pan fry it. Fuckin frosty. david hippa lappa pomprin. Is anyone here a hemp hole? Yeah, well shnijjy mc millicker: i know billy knalavolitz. |
| 04:44.52 | bleck | The Baby Faced Assassin pond. yrummin! Shmega melanie goetz I'm smacking it up to the electrify beam, smacking it to the galactify beam! Smackin the penis with the erectify beam! When will another green skroan the horrified scream |
| 04:44.53 | bleck | rubbbity dag daggy dib dib, daggy daggy dib dib, daggy daggy diggy diggy dib, throwt a welly wheel wall Reppity shcrep bam bam rep rep paranep Shnubbity shnib up bam bam Givin' me twice, i a molst a meeka pleck. Givin' me twice, a molst a meeka pleck. |
| 04:44.55 | bleck | Jeminee smucking smiggle. Halittle halorst hamerrian sects nep tep hotep gargle dee gook mackie mchellic hole. My niqqer dee dag sparky. Ponto comical blessnor I'm dain dead. Razor renzor manellik s-meg smeg you're all smegs. We're hovvy hella pruss miss puss Smelly mudga munaqqal Posta wicka holma melancholy laggam |
| 04:44.57 | bleck | Shmelly a mellac. Cloaky active camoflauge mail bow Warez into a whoop coup daddy deam, I filed a lawsuit with G.L.E.A.M. Dag a ricka bleg nagg. Richel reprezhnik rally mic hoe whip. |
| 04:44.58 | LtL | !ops bleck is spamming |
| 04:44.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ltl complains about: bleck is spamming |
| 04:44.59 | bleck | fucking ass licking piss sucking cunt. Threnthie oh pod throonis Tragallellah. bweeey eeeiw! bweeeeey ail! shnib polmans mahhal wourney Track a mix a meg norge |
| 04:45.02 | bleck | Flathican fellow street. Mc Grellae Mc Regegg. Prag a cuckian bag of gunk. Duh nuh nihh nuh farty milligers. Par boockalie twistie taiter. Tittly spoof bee Trellie oh dabble Antenna rethal Fucky daddy dicky Fucky daddy dicky |
| 04:45.03 | bleck | Chucka lucka ling to the chucka looka lat, man can't be banned! Dee oh doing! Chili box sand reggat. Crackity raggity ann shaggy rab rabble smiley oh diley oh reggal na meck transhole In a tough manner pung dungh chicka licka bang dad. Guess what you smartie millickan jallefnaord. Spend rellik maholmes. |
| 04:45.04 | bleck | Rudda boom boom dugging. My name is jameel my name's jamaan. Take this you fuckin' brack stab from buck hole. Brag a cuck of bintorns. I had to have jalooch to have breakfast. Trug a leck leg hole. Tellah mef raf. Trukkle trella lickle mazzle trag. Shab shab skrellix magellix |
| 04:45.05 | bleck | Roonah bucky blay lee! Roonah bucky blay lee! An aggle dee dak beyond the premier. switch up to a wedge pluckie A jecka looch reft round! poochin maleggal Drek a lek meek foamie. shlick a jig jeffjob A jella jitch manifest Horkin malurgis hoarde. prebelally mobijowrist. |
| 04:45.06 | bleck | Fartily gas farts on someone's jacket. Hicka low daggal. Manil hill the jiller. Reet dih doo deh dih, reet deh doo duh. dendridic millimorph cardackio cleptio maggle Jackintoshy zillword. Just another macgasm trexie o mario bubble. I had to have a mummified wheat bread. |
| 04:45.07 | bleck | Slaggy McNelly O-Loop. Hillie Millie. Mijujik calej loft, shweener screlly mellamanorf. The plux to the plack a leak a lithio meth galactical terrial tuesday. Ploody loon, back a toon! ron ton a jelly a shawn. Herd mah thuh fah thuh. Jeggal mig ella cracker. trellamanorf mick hick hole |
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| 04:45.11 | kbar | oh boy |
| 04:45.16 | simonlnu | *finally* |
| 04:45.22 | simonlnu | \o/ debhelper |
| 04:45.44 | simonlnu | adds one to the blocklist |
| 04:46.24 | BeastNZ | lol |
| 04:47.09 | streuner | hands simonlnu a sledgehammer... |
| 04:47.22 | simonlnu | if only ;) |
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| 04:49.09 | bleck | Puggy muggle maggity ass riggle ma hole. Buck a waath ess wheel wall! Bustin' room past tin! Buckin' room past in! A harnaly scrary o mep. |
| 04:49.10 | bleck | Reccal theh mick thuck the rep tep taistral. Wallif ma wallis wallets. Is anyone here a jelly-o shkrapper? Bam glacky I'm mega man! Has anyone here ram baisted before? The koost a heeckil pludgeon. Feathers round rick gring air! Liquid cereal's good for you. The mummified goblin. Pallaj oh plex. |
| 04:49.11 | bleck | Moomassu desu, niddle the bair bons with caution Belgabble wolf waffy. Is anyone here a rubberty duggger? Is anyone a reggy dick plegger? Shoody spalooj moojer! Mella murtasTcM. Is this happy hour at the retard shack again? ron ron reggatoon. Walla julie malerf luck. Weggerty wing yaing plucking time! |
| 04:49.12 | bleck | Gotta set up for the suicide slide Gamma mareenmon. I've got more scrap ass shit than you can balieve with. Sally McDuffo whip. after secv on a sp00ky stream F/\gga foo regga makegg mahoun. Its all fun and games until the power goes out. Mennima Pay Street. rubbbity dib dadge pickard. Lelly in ma kellar. |
| 04:49.13 | bleck | I'm on recky o gregor street. Miggity ass raggan. Boyar bod. Pellicka pool wiss wall. Watching bynum bukkake the smelts Haggity ass mahown. Trukkity rep roon, the kitz a kickel plujin. Trellalickers and burb street. Huck a dickin' dime. |
| 04:49.14 | bleck | Float a pelly plaack ass. You're a digital dumbass. Smuggy jaloo meff jillahole. Dick, dick, dick dickaloo! Dick dickaloo my darling. Haggity ma heggal hole. nuriggerdy diggal. Visi blurb cage. O melon man mist meluhn mijohn. Oh man mellajoram. Hebble oh babble. |
| 04:49.15 | bleck | Two guns and a ruck roog. Turned into a hollow loop. scritch scratch the happy fog. Is anyone here a fudge plucker. I'm talking bout a rastal marry yo map. Too many ruggerty dag datoes Or are you fuck wappys out for kill gore! |
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| 04:49.16 | bleck | The curmudgeonly pearl; ask and you might be answered. Finger with a whop top tinger. Rig tig tigger. I'm ram bastin' I'm feelin' clean! Pricey bad ass, a whop winger! Gullable dick waffer. Miggity mahoming beacon. Nick lickal novice. Your remenance. Square juice miknuller. Permio plather. |
| 04:49.16 | bleck | Where does master words eat pies for shells? Trenna ma lilla manole. A rargy barg ark. Shockity strip with the rectify guy. Clockity rep with the rectify fly. Hebble o babble. Rudda nah neh noo. HEP TEP ROGGY! I'm thinkin' about greckin' the rummified coin! Let's look at Amenhotep 4's mummified groin! |
| 04:49.17 | bleck | Ploona lefflie ludge picking! Haggy smith heddal, marry oh dettal. Hannabalist, no cannibalist, no hannibalist balievar. Ban dackoo. Put on weight! Wherr wiss fall, nudge plucking. too many |\|igg/\s, that's my line. I'm squirt with the worth of the mother plucking fine. Hoomee missee Mic daisy too. Davey oh doubt. Meggie mahoo middle. |
| 04:49.18 | bleck | Too many Romulan potatoers. Matoonal dakkal. Helly muhp, melly muhp, runna minuck taste-rum. Wack ass weight! Hellamanorf weg watthal. I think I'll just start to try my .smuretsaTcN rubbbity boom ducking. Hitchaleval exasht romice. Up with jelly my humpfrins. Uva devil miss tee pie. She can't poo! |
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| 04:49.19 | bleck | Shniqqen munuh lik leggal perritolma penis pran chella maloney day breeze Paahster jam ban wikkle. Hella mah lun mick hella malole. Hella minull mic mella manoh. The roadline, it's illegal. Trully mulla mih nole. I'm a relladge-o-melladge-o-ram. Come on you fuckin dag asses. |
| 04:49.20 | bleck | Damned ram bastions. oilleJcM oper Smelly gruthergrarin trilaxals. withers ground ring air Puggle dee maggle dee mack traggle Jeremy sniqqle. Jeremy spoken, in next day I brusht boyered, I kicked a ball! mellaminorf troll protectors, trolls on the road! troll protectors, their stones of power glow! |
| 04:49.21 | bleck | Fleeberty dith bub, a hick now a hither they humpty tance Lunchell munch a reg uhl schoolio tress nael Chuck a lick a loon baby tunes Weerz mellicorp To the wack ann watching machine wells darilla raptor plexing |
| 04:49.22 | bleck | Shligga ligga millik hole Shligga ligga millik hole regamakio mathjul hah there Just like in Bart Simpson the Magazine! Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! menario mibs Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin slujjal jeggy moran magomorph baleener |
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| 04:49.23 | bleck | I spell it throwt, you spell it throat, the real way to spell it is throwt throwt THROWT! Hux a mex a lig dwarf dudikolan mail street. Rella manae, Rella Manae, Rye dut duh! I'm living on budgy placky street. Reggal dee deck shweener Hicker trellalicker |
| 04:49.24 | bleck | What part of that doesn't make sense to you robo I'm rang dang smacking it up to the reck a heek a horn drom. Rag agg big chacka lo datey fifty. Sniggital maggal Shelly a jelly a jew lillaputan meglamarian necks booga man Rejja mella mic jeggal Baika looka reg tag |
| 04:49.25 | bleck | Throat a pelly proat raick axe. It doesn't eat muggo whip. It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. Where's songy brother? Where's spongy brother? Jellanie mic flyer. Paloody pluck bag ack. Paloody pluck bag ack. |
| 04:49.26 | bleck | Whyn you call it throat throwt. I'm a baffy hoe. Flivvy a niv von neffran. Purity and prudence I'm suing for diaper damage. Scragg a billy blunk rake rast eye heeker, playmus guy I don't know what a rubbbity dabby is. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. |
| 04:49.26 | bleck | Arthie shlellijge. Arthie shlellidge. Talking about a bee turning into a guano root. today I'm doing pasta, i crumble it and pan fry it. Fuckin frosty. david hippa lappa pomprin. Is anyone here a hemp hole? Yeah, well shnijjy mc millicker: i know billy knalavolitz. |
| 04:49.27 | bleck | The Baby Faced Assassin pond. yrummin! Shmega melanie goetz I'm smacking it up to the electrify beam, smacking it to the galactify beam! Smackin the penis with the erectify beam! When will another green skroan the horrified scream |
| 04:49.28 | bleck | rubbbity dag daggy dib dib, daggy daggy dib dib, daggy daggy diggy diggy dib, throwt a welly wheel wall Reppity shcrep bam bam rep rep paranep Shnubbity shnib up bam bam Givin' me twice, i a molst a meeka pleck. Givin' me twice, a molst a meeka pleck. |
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| 04:51.04 | LtL | different ip the second time, my bet he'll be back. |
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| 05:07.44 | xiaopeng | ACPI:I/O resource conflicts with ACPI region SMBI |
| 05:08.19 | xiaopeng | anyone has some ideas on this problem? |
| 05:10.10 | xiaopeng | could somebody help me? |
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| 05:16.29 | xiaopeng | should I just ignore the error message? |
| 05:16.52 | somiaj | is it in dmesg? did you try to google it? |
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| 05:19.17 | xiaopeng | yes, I have googled it and someone said "you should just ignore it". |
| 05:19.41 | somiaj | do you notice anything not working as expected (that you think could be vagualy related to that error)? |
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| 05:20.34 | xiaopeng | so far, everything works fine. |
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| 05:21.16 | xiaopeng | Maybe I should just ignore it. |
| 05:23.04 | somiaj | yea I would, if you notice something that seems to error out with your acpi then maybe do some more research |
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| 05:24.11 | xiaopeng | yea, I think so. |
| 05:25.01 | somiaj | seems like a memory conflict, sometimes it is only a warning and then puts the memeory elsewhere and works just fine |
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| 05:26.59 | xiaopeng | I read the mail list from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602128 |
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| 05:29.29 | xiaopeng | Ben Hutchings has explained this problem. |
| 05:29.43 | somiaj | yea sometimes those can just be warnings to help kernel developers |
| 05:31.08 | xiaopeng | yea, that's right. |
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| 06:58.27 | minsa | test |
| 06:59.33 | minsa | I cannot use emacs syntax on debian xterm. When I enter [Alt + Backspace] unprintable character shows up. |
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| 06:59.47 | minsa | any pointer is appreciated. |
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| 07:10.43 | manhunter | what's the command to install debian standard system utils |
| 07:11.39 | somiaj | manhunter: what do you mean? They shoudl be installed by default, but there is a 'standard' task, or you can use aptitude to search for all packages of priority standard or better |
| 07:12.36 | AimHere | manhunter > The main utils are probably found in the coreutils package |
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| 07:13.47 | manhunter | i didn't select [*]Standard System Utils during installation. |
| 07:13.58 | manhunter | now how can i select that or how can i install that? |
| 07:13.59 | somiaj | manhunter: rerun tasksel |
| 07:14.10 | somiaj | manhunter: it is the standard task |
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| 07:16.06 | manhunter | is there any command? |
| 07:16.09 | minsa | why doesn't debian use .xinitrc by default ? |
| 07:16.32 | somiaj | minsa: mv .xinitrc .xsession |
| 07:16.36 | manhunter | rerunning the tasksel i selected Standard System Utils, but it still gives me some prompts |
| 07:16.42 | somiaj | minsa: (startx does, but the Xsession for most display managers do not) |
| 07:16.42 | manhunter | i don't know what to do from there |
| 07:16.57 | manhunter | oh |
| 07:17.21 | manhunter | rerunning tasksel i don't get that standard system utils option now |
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| 07:19.06 | somiaj | manhunter: aptitude search ~pstandard |
| 07:19.12 | somiaj | manhunter: install anything from that list you don't have that you want. |
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| 07:20.31 | manhunter | somiaj: hi, how old are you? |
| 07:20.31 | wifioregon | Anyone have an opinon as to what the best laptop manufactuer is that works really well with Debian based distros or other Linux distros? |
| 07:20.48 | minsa | somiaj thnx let me experiment. |
| 07:21.35 | somiaj | minsa: note depending on the display manager you may ahve to select the 'default' session to have it use .xsession |
| 07:21.42 | somiaj | manhunter: is it relevant? |
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| 07:21.58 | manhunter | somiaj: no, curious, can you tell? |
| 07:22.06 | manhunter | somiaj: can you answer pming me? |
| 07:22.18 | streuner | wifioregon: no, manufactors changes hardware from time to time, just /msg dpkg laptops or/and use google |
| 07:22.43 | somiaj | wifioregon: there is no straight forward answer I know of. People have good luck with any major laptop manaficutre |
| 07:22.52 | wifioregon | k. Nobody has consistently worked well with Linux? I've heard some people say good things about Lenovo |
| 07:23.12 | streuner | based on Thinkpads? |
| 07:23.15 | somiaj | wifioregon: best to pick one you like, then look up how well the hardware works on google -- so try to get one with a good hardware list |
| 07:23.22 | wifioregon | k thanks |
| 07:23.45 | somiaj | Most of the Lenovo praise is they are really good laptops, but even they may have hardware too new or unsupported in debian (linux) on some of their models. |
| 07:23.45 | manhunter | somiaj: ? |
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| 07:23.54 | somiaj | manhunter: I'm in my 30s |
| 07:24.06 | manhunter | somiaj: thank you. |
| 07:24.09 | wifioregon | I will def look up by specific model. |
| 07:24.23 | manhunter | somiaj: i think you are using debian for over 5 years, right? |
| 07:24.30 | minsa | where do I find the how xterm color[1..12] etc corresponds to ? |
| 07:24.32 | streuner | dpkg, tell wifioregon about laptops |
| 07:24.32 | gnarface | wifioregon: i don't know how up-to-date this is but http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 07:24.50 | somiaj | manhunter: started using debian in 2000, it became my primary os in 2003 |
| 07:25.07 | manhunter | somiaj: so 10 years |
| 07:25.11 | gnarface | wifioregon: also, i don't know if these guys are legit or not, but the website has existed for a while, and much of their stuff is also thinkpad based:http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html |
| 07:25.12 | manhunter | somiaj: 12 years |
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| 07:25.21 | streuner | gnarface: personal entries... |
| 07:25.41 | manhunter | somiaj: what brand laptop do you have? |
| 07:25.42 | somiaj | manhunter: you are drifting into #debian-offtopic, but if you have an actual debian quesiton please ask. (: |
| 07:25.54 | manhunter | somiaj: lenovo? |
| 07:26.13 | somiaj | manhunter: toshiba (but I'm traditonally build my own desktops, only have had a laptop for the last year) |
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| 07:26.41 | wifioregon | THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE |
| 07:26.59 | streuner | wifioregon: yw :-) |
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| 07:28.48 | streuner | wifioregon: WLAN chipsets are usually an issue in Linux, basically atheros is well supported, IMO |
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| 07:29.37 | wifioregon | streuner: Thanks, I have a few different alfa wifi adapters which work GREAT with linux |
| 07:29.45 | hds | hi |
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| 07:29.49 | streuner | wifioregon: if you need features for your videocard, you have to use third party drivers then... |
| 07:29.50 | wifioregon | streuner: So I wont be using the builtin wifi anyways |
| 07:30.46 | wifioregon | Isn't Nvidia the best for linux? |
| 07:30.55 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 07:30.55 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:30.58 | streuner | ... |
| 07:31.57 | tralala | sadly the best for linux is not expecting decent performance from your GPU |
| 07:32.02 | streuner | wifioregon: good would be, if the manufactors provides open/free sources... |
| 07:32.43 | wifioregon | Is anyone in here using a laptop right now that works well with linux? |
| 07:32.56 | wifioregon | I'm on a desktop. |
| 07:32.57 | streuner | sure, i do |
| 07:33.14 | somiaj | wifioregon: depends on your goals. For gaming I have been pleazed with nvidia and linux for many years. But for a laptop and just ease of use (2d desktop) I am finding the free radeon drivers really nice (Even works with hdmi audio) |
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| 07:33.46 | wifioregon | somiaj: I'm actually trying to stay away from gaming if possible |
| 07:33.55 | wifioregon | too addicting and time consuming |
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| 07:34.29 | gnarface | my toshiba satellite 4015CDT still works great with debian |
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| 07:34.44 | somiaj | I find the radeon drivers nice, as long as you don't splurge for the newest ati gpu's you'll be just fine with that for a desktop. |
| 07:34.52 | gnarface | gaming definitely wouldn't be a temptation |
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| 07:41.43 | streuner | wifioregon: Toshiba Satellite Pro L40 (1.6 Ghz) here, it just works. |
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| 07:42.34 | wifioregon | thanks |
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| 07:45.36 | vdonnef | Hi! |
| 07:46.30 | metaspike | um. hi there :D |
| 07:46.47 | somiaj | I am to mostly happey with my Toshiba Satellite -- though its wireless card is kinda flaky, it does work |
| 07:47.00 | vdonnef | I found on the Debian Doc the supported hardware architecture. I saw for ARM the sub architecture Kirkwood for example but does it means that Debian won't work on a Cortex-A9 of TI for example? |
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| 07:48.25 | metaspike | vdonnef, is that like, a phone or a tablet or something |
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| 07:49.13 | streuner | somiaj: atheros? |
| 07:49.16 | valdyn | vdonnef: docs are usually outdated |
| 07:49.27 | valdyn | vdonnef: and a9 is probably newer than squeeze anyway |
| 07:49.40 | vdonnef | I mean A8 sorry |
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| 07:51.08 | vdonnef | valdyn, Ok so I'd better not trust the doc. Maybe the subarchitecture are just the one which have been tested |
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| 07:51.27 | somiaj | streuner: RTL8188CE |
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| 07:51.49 | somiaj | streuner: it has trouble assocaiting with large networks and multiple AP |
| 07:51.52 | somiaj | s |
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| 07:53.04 | streuner | somiaj: ic |
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| 07:55.33 | metaspike | vdonnef, might want to have alook at http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort and http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain - seems to say that A8 is being used, prehaps with the ABI port? i dont know much about this kind of tact admittedly |
| 07:56.27 | metaspike | such advanced developments are probably lurking in the land of sid |
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| 07:57.47 | vdonnef | metaspike, thank you, I was justly looking for emdebian |
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| 08:12.36 | shifty | there is this software I like (evilwm) that has been in the Debian repositories forever. there exists an upstream updated version for quite some time now. what can I do to assist/encourage the update to be rolled into the repository? |
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| 08:16.48 | somiaj | !tell shifty -about uupdate |
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| 08:17.58 | somiaj | shifty: you can also file a wishlish bug (check to see if there is one yet) to request a newer version |
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| 08:23.18 | shifty | somiaj: thx. uupdate will fix it for me. nice, but I was hoping to make the update available to all. i'll give the wishlist a go. |
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| 08:28.55 | shifty | somiaj: ha, existent bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542343 approximately 30 months old. |
| 08:29.47 | ooiiooo | wheezy = testing = next stable? does it ship with gnome 2 or gnome 3? is mate desktop in the repos or will it be in the repos when gnome 3 replaces gnome 2? (or more generally: how do I find out what version of foo is / will be in what debian release?) |
| 08:29.48 | somiaj | yea that happens to some packages from time to time. |
| 08:30.03 | somiaj | ooiiooo: wheezy has mostly gnome3 now and will release with gnome3 |
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| 08:30.25 | somiaj | ooiiooo: packages.debian.org is a place you can search though packages and versions |
| 08:30.31 | ooiiooo | k, thx |
| 08:30.55 | somiaj | ooiiooo: note it is hard to say the exact version whezzy will be released with on many packages (kinda depends when the freeze happens) but one goal is gnome3 for wheezy. |
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| 08:32.52 | shifty | who is responsible for submitting software to the repository? |
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| 08:33.07 | somiaj | shifty: debian matainers. |
| 08:33.37 | somiaj | shifty: many packages have a matainers name, but there are also many that need a matainer. |
| 08:33.39 | Arafangion | shifty: Don't mind his accent, he means "maintainers". |
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| 08:34.50 | shifty | somiaj: in this case the author (of evilwm) is the package maintainer, but I doubt he is a Debian maintainer. |
| 08:35.04 | balboah | how do you make nfs mounts retry even when you get Stale NFS file handle? I thought the hard option would re-connect |
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| 08:37.22 | somiaj | shifty: some many only maintain a few packages. It could be he was submiting the builds at one time. Though I have no details on that actual package. |
| 08:37.27 | balboah | or refresh the file handle like it does when I re-mount it |
| 08:40.26 | shifty | somiaj: any ideas where I can locate further details? Does this mean the package is orphaned? |
| 08:40.41 | somiaj | shifty: you could try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:41.11 | shifty | somiaj: alright - i'll give that a go |
| 08:41.49 | somiaj | shifty: they can also help give advise if anything would be needed special to make your own package from the upstream (uupdate may not work if there are major changes) |
| 08:41.51 | valdyn | shifty: if he is listed as maintainer, then he is the maintainer, why would he not be? |
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| 08:43.06 | valdyn | shifty: that entry certainly has more weight than some vague believe in the contrary ;) |
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| 08:43.24 | shifty | valdyn: I am not sure I understand the terminology (package|debian) maintainer. also, considering the last update was a couple of years back, if he was the debian maintainer, the package would have been updated by now. |
| 08:43.44 | shifty | valdyn: don't quite understand your last post |
| 08:44.14 | shifty | somiaj: the upstream website seems to have the deb build system already in place :-) |
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| 08:54.37 | Stefunel | guys, how could I downgrade php from 5.4 to 5.3? |
| 08:54.48 | themill | Stefunel: install stable |
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| 08:59.49 | somiaj | shifty: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ (as well) |
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| 09:07.07 | metaspike | dunno, but a tiling wm might be just as good with the right settings, xmonad or ratpoison for example. |
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| 09:13.48 | cwillu | thomaschaaf, look at matchbox |
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| 09:14.37 | thomaschaaf | cwillu: I am currently trying ratpoison but will look into it if that does not do the trick for me :) |
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| 09:14.48 | cwillu | matchbox is kinda designed for this sort of thing |
| 09:14.56 | sephii | you should definitely try awesome |
| 09:15.02 | cwillu | one can also use wmctrl to more-or-less directly poke at things |
| 09:15.18 | cwillu | sephii, you saw "tiling wm" and jumped, didn't you |
| 09:16.29 | sephii | cwillu: well, i simply recommend stuff that deserves it |
| 09:16.34 | thomaschaaf | okay trying matchbox |
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| 09:17.22 | cwillu | sephii, have you set up a kiosk using awesome? |
| 09:17.55 | thomaschaaf | how do I say I only want matchbox with aptitude? I don't want all the other things it wants to give me or can I turn them off afterwards? |
| 09:18.36 | cwillu | thomaschaaf, you probably just want matchbox-window-manager |
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| 09:18.59 | sephii | cwillu: no, but should be easy to do |
| 09:19.05 | cwillu | sephii, I rest my case |
| 09:19.11 | cwillu | (having done a few myself) |
| 09:19.15 | sephii | cwillu: have you ever used awesome? |
| 09:19.21 | cwillu | sephii, yes. |
| 09:19.26 | cwillu | it's not what he's asking for |
| 09:20.03 | cwillu | I know that awesome is awesome, but that doesn't make it the right answer for things it wasn't designed for |
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| 09:23.08 | sephii | cwillu: what does make it unusable for a kiosk setup? |
| 09:23.16 | cwillu | sephii, I didn't say unusable |
| 09:23.31 | cwillu | I'm sure you can configure it, given enough experience with it |
| 09:23.54 | cwillu | (you can also do that with compiz) |
| 09:24.17 | tegra | why debian iso have 8 iso dvd ? |
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| 09:24.37 | cwillu | tegra, because that's basically everything in the debian repository |
| 09:24.47 | cwillu | you don't need all of them to install |
| 09:25.16 | cwillu | sephii, I know you're in love with awesome, but it's just software, and it's not even cancer-curing software :p |
| 09:25.56 | tegra | cwillu, what iso you recommend ? |
| 09:26.16 | metaspike | then there's the blueray dvd's, i think there's like 3 of them now. |
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| 09:27.25 | cwillu | tegra, I believe you only need the first |
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| 09:28.05 | cwillu | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 09:29.24 | tegra | cwillu, 32 or 64 bit ? |
| 09:29.47 | cwillu | tegra, do you have a 32bit or a 64bit processor? |
| 09:29.57 | tegra | i have an i7 |
| 09:30.06 | sephii | cwillu: doesn't have anything to do with the software itself. if everybody here only provided 100% exact answers to all issues posted here, people wouldn't get a lot of help. |
| 09:30.28 | cwillu | sephii, huh? |
| 09:30.29 | sephii | cwillu: that's great if you have a better solution, but that shouldn't stop other people to propose alternatives |
| 09:30.46 | tegra | what is the best for an i7 ? |
| 09:30.59 | metaspike | tegra, in console: lscpu - to find out |
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| 09:31.44 | metaspike | 64bit is best for 64bit capable cpu's :p |
| 09:31.55 | tegra | but repository is complete ? |
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| 09:32.04 | tegra | or some packages missing ? |
| 09:32.59 | mashed | tegra: 64bit has been supported for years |
| 09:33.23 | tegra | ok thanks |
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| 09:33.25 | metaspike | it's mostly complete... with 32bit you are limited in many ways- 4gig of ram, less instructions at once. etc |
| 09:33.49 | mashed | intel cpus are also backwards compatable with 32bit apps if there is no 64 bit package available |
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| 09:34.07 | metaspike | of course, some 32bit cpu's make up for this in other ways, but you get the point |
| 09:34.34 | cwillu | note that you can use a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userspace, which has a different set of tradeoffs (which I can't speak authoritatively on) |
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| 09:37.32 | metaspike | ^ yeah? that's news to me/ wow |
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| 09:42.51 | Iridos | dpkg, tell metaspike about pae |
| 09:43.05 | Iridos | the 4G ram limit also ain't true |
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| 09:43.45 | Iridos | BUT a single process can not use more than ... 3G or 4G ram at a time |
| 09:44.09 | cwillu | Iridos, note that the 64bit kernel thing has a similar effect |
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| 09:44.30 | cwillu | I would love more technical details on it, but it's a bit of a pain to google for |
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| 09:44.35 | Iridos | hm, that's true... |
| 09:45.08 | themill | there are quite a few problems that come with the amd64 kernel with i386 userspace |
| 09:45.15 | cwillu | themill, such as? |
| 09:45.30 | cwillu | (been trialing it myself on a couple machines for a few months now, haven't noticed anything odd yet) |
| 09:45.37 | cwillu | (unless that's why nouveau is acting up :p) |
| 09:45.39 | Iridos | cwillu, but last time I tried that, I had an nvidia card with the proprietary nvidia driver (now I have the proprietary fglrx) ... and compiling a 64bit kernel module in i386 userspace is a bit difficult |
| 09:46.04 | cwillu | Iridos, I'll grant you that, but at the same time, that thing is a pain under a few circumstances |
| 09:46.12 | themill | hibernate doesn't work, certain graphics drivers are deeply unhappy even if they do compile, lots of braindead 3rd party installers will decide to use the 64-bit version of a precompiled thingy instead of the 32bit version |
| 09:47.09 | Iridos | themill, so overall its existence has the effect of removing some bad code and sloppy thinking |
| 09:47.13 | cwillu | anything beyond the proprietary/third-party gunk? |
| 09:47.20 | cwillu | oh yeah, hibernate |
| 09:47.22 | cwillu | checks |
| 09:47.54 | homes | has been using amd64 port for so long he's always surprised when the question comes up as to whether to use it on 64bit hardware |
| 09:51.42 | cwillu | themill, worked fine here |
| 09:52.03 | cwillu | which is just to say that it's not inherently broken |
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| 09:52.11 | jelly | cwillu: I haven't tried hibernation recently, and am not using vmware or vbox any more. Suspend to ram works fine here on wheezy with 2.6.39-3.2 amd64 kernels. |
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| 09:53.23 | Stefunel | is there a way to restrict the version of a package that is being installed even if the repository provides me a newer version? |
| 09:53.57 | metaspike | yeah, you can set the "hold" flag for that package with aptitude / dpkg |
| 09:55.00 | cwillu | Stefunel, I've abused checkinstall to make and install a dummy package that depends on the specific version, with the added benefit of being able put a comment in the dummy package description as to why I'm holding that package |
| 09:55.11 | cwillu | this may not be a sane thing to do though :p |
| 09:55.42 | Stefunel | I need to use the testing repositories but I cannot use all the packages from there - php5.4 breaks so much stuff |
| 09:56.06 | themill | Stefunel: please file bugs against packages that it breaks. Wheezy will be releasing with php5.4 |
| 09:58.00 | Stefunel | so basically on my system I need to restrict php to 5.3 |
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| 09:59.57 | themill | Stefunel: that's unlikely to be possible for very long. Plus, you won't be getting security support for php and also any libraries that are ensnared by this pinning. Although if you're using testing, security support clearly isn't important to you anyway. |
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| 10:03.32 | sephii | Stefunel: you should have put the php* packages on hold before upgrading |
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| 10:04.37 | sephii | (i know that doesn't help much) |
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| 10:21.46 | cali | So, I am associated on a WiFi AP, but it shows none as 'name of the machine' and I haven't found where I should actually put my machine's name in debian, already tried modifying hosts but it is still the same :( |
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| 10:22.37 | mashed | cali: the hostname is set in /etc/hostname |
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| 10:22.57 | cali | mashed, does not help, station still shows a blank square |
| 10:23.00 | fishsponge | does anyone here use apcupsd with a Serial cable to a Smart-UPS? If so, i'm getting "PANIC! Cannot communicate with UPS via serial port." even though it is plugged into the only serial socket on the PC and it is set to "/dev/ttyS0"... |
| 10:23.02 | fishsponge | any clues? |
| 10:23.12 | mashed | cali: however the AP is probably getting the name of the machine from the PTR address defined in DNS. |
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| 10:23.39 | themill | cali: you can have the dhcp client push your hostname back to the dhcp server |
| 10:23.53 | cali | themill, ahhh |
| 10:23.55 | g105b | hi guys, using Debian Lenny here - I can't install anything using apt-get install - keep on getting "Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?" error message. |
| 10:24.13 | themill | g105b: /topic |
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| 10:24.54 | themill | cali: 'send host-name "yourhostname";' in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 10:25.04 | cali | themill, I am trying that :D |
| 10:25.31 | g105b | themill: aha thanks - very simple :) |
| 10:26.47 | cali | themill, it worked. I owe you one. |
| 10:26.52 | themill | \o/ |
| 10:26.55 | Arafangion | g105b: It's a testament to debian's stability that you hadn't wanted to upgrade in ages. :) |
| 10:27.38 | g105b | Arafangion: yeah! I'm using squeeze on others, but this server was built before squeeze and just keep on ticking :D |
| 10:27.38 | cali | themill, if I actually do not use a dhcp, how would it gets my hostname? |
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| 10:28.41 | themill | cali: you'd need to configure it on the AP itself (which is normally what would be done for dhcp too -- home APs are the exception to this where the infrastructure hierarchy is in some way inverted) |
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| 10:30.37 | g105b | Can someone explain to me the update of the linux kernel from lenny to squeeze? dpkg bot tells me to perform "apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
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| 10:31.28 | cali | themill, yeah, I am using a dirty android with an old kernel to create a ad-hoc network, and it did not let me get associated because I had no hostname |
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| 10:32.00 | Arafangion | g105b: That said, you really should upgrade more often, for security reasons. |
| 10:32.21 | Arafangion | g105b: That's an actual command there, which is really a bash script. |
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| 10:32.44 | Arafangion | g105b: I'd be nervous, really, if you didn't have direct access. |
| 10:32.49 | Arafangion | g105b: (Physical access) |
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| 10:33.17 | tegra | i installed debian but i want kde not gnome. |
| 10:33.29 | Arafangion | tegra: So? |
| 10:33.33 | g105b | Arafangion: I can get down to the rack if anything goes wrong, and it doesn't have any production services on this machine. |
| 10:33.47 | Arafangion | g105b: Off you go then! :) |
| 10:33.54 | g105b | Arafangion: E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.35.4-rscloud |
| 10:34.49 | Arafangion | g105b: That's not 'pure' debian system. |
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| 10:35.11 | SomeoneWeird | custom image |
| 10:35.21 | Arafangion | g105b: You'll have to figure that bit out yourself, but the essential thing is that you have to navigate the udev dependency. |
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| 10:37.45 | themill | g105b: that kernel should be new enough to keep squeeze's udev happy. You probably should talk to your hoster to find out if there are any other lenny->squeeze bumps you should know about with their systems |
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| 10:38.47 | spal | how does apache httpd write to /var/log/apache2/error.log - The permission on this file is: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1509 Mar 29 18:07 error.log |
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| 10:39.31 | Arafangion | spal: I'd assume either it opens it while still root before dropping permisions... Or more likely, via syslog. |
| 10:39.31 | g105b | spal: who owns the file? |
| 10:39.33 | themill | spal: you'll find one of the apache processes is running as root |
| 10:39.45 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.48 | Arafangion | shuts up. :) |
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| 10:40.04 | spal | g105b, from the output I showed above, 'root' owns the file, I guess. |
| 10:40.12 | spal | themill, okay. makes sense. |
| 10:41.24 | tegra | mmm i can't install kde 4.8 only 4.7 ? |
| 10:41.29 | spal | My actual problem is that secret posts in http://mathb.in/ can be only be visited using their URLs which contains their secret keys to unlock the post. |
| 10:41.51 | spal | so I am trying to make sure that if in future someone exploits a flaw in apache httpd, he would still not be able to view the apache access log files. |
| 10:42.00 | spal | because the access log files would contain the complete URLs with the key. |
| 10:42.35 | themill | spal: anything that's in a GET url going via http isn't secret to begin with |
| 10:42.57 | spal | themill, yes. |
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| 10:44.34 | tegra | how to change stable to unstable ? |
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| 10:50.12 | tegra | ok found it |
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| 10:50.35 | themill | tegra: btw what are you hoping to achieve in doing this? |
| 10:50.51 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 10:51.01 | Almtesh | I'm looking for a rdp client for kde. |
| 10:51.15 | Almtesh | Debian squeeze. |
| 10:51.21 | tegra | themill, i prefer unstable packages :) |
| 10:51.22 | themill | Almtesh: krdc |
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| 10:51.49 | Almtesh | themill, I got it! |
| 10:51.56 | themill | tegra: :( that you didn't know how to do this yourself is a bad sign for what you're going to experience with sid. |
| 10:51.57 | Almtesh | themill, at least, thank you. |
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| 10:56.47 | tegra | themill, no prob i used debian before :) |
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| 10:57.21 | bodhi0800 | i use debian live 6.0.3 |
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| 11:06.16 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, remember that in future if you don't like sid after seeing broken packages, reverting from sid to testing is not straightforward. |
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| 11:07.19 | jwayne | now now, who wouldn't like sid |
| 11:08.34 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, did you get my message? |
| 11:08.49 | tegra | ? |
| 11:08.54 | tegra | no.. |
| 11:08.54 | jwayne | i still don't get how people complain about debian's user friendliness.. but anyways.. preaching to the wrong choire :/ |
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| 11:09.21 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, I have come here to tell you something important. |
| 11:09.28 | amee2k | !radeon |
| 11:09.28 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 11:09.29 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, In future if you don't like sid after seeing broken packages, reverting from sid to testing is not straightforward. |
| 11:09.31 | tegra | lol |
| 11:09.32 | amee2k | um. |
| 11:09.52 | amee2k | didn't the bot use to respond to factoid requests in PM too?? |
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| 11:10.25 | tegraFromFuture | amee2k, it still does. |
| 11:10.39 | amee2k | not really |
| 11:10.41 | fasta | jwayne: Debian isn't user-friendly, because it uses 2-3 times the power on a laptop for example. |
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| 11:10.48 | tegraFromFuture | amee2k, works for me. |
| 11:10.52 | amee2k | i've been messaging it a dozen times now and no reply |
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| 11:10.59 | fasta | jwayne: Debian isn't user-friendly, because there is not one unified GUI. |
| 11:11.02 | amee2k | then i decided to try in here to see if something is dead |
| 11:11.23 | fasta | jwayne: GTK and Qt both have tons of open bugs that have been open for 5+ years. |
| 11:11.28 | thewanderer1 | when Evolution launches, it presents me with a modal window asking for some GNOME storage password. It captures *all* input so that I can not click on anything else and any keyboard input, even hotkeys, are captured. it asks me about 50 times before giving up. how to make it stop? :O |
| 11:11.28 | fasta | jwayne: still don't get it? |
| 11:11.28 | tegraFromFuture | amee2k, are you sure the response is not in another window you forgot to check? |
| 11:11.36 | tegraFromFuture | amee2k, did you try /query to be absolutely sure? |
| 11:11.38 | amee2k | only reply that i get is not to use the address character in PMs |
| 11:11.45 | tegraFromFuture | oh |
| 11:11.45 | tegra | tegraFromFuture are u mad ? |
| 11:11.54 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, no. |
| 11:12.00 | tegra | :P |
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| 11:12.01 | thewanderer1 | amee2k, so what do you make of it? :P |
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| 11:12.13 | jwayne | fasta, meh.. just get a better laptop :P |
| 11:12.20 | fasta | jwayne: like? |
| 11:12.35 | amee2k | thewanderer1: make of what? |
| 11:12.38 | bodhi0800 | macbook air? |
| 11:12.43 | fasta | jwayne: which laptop is fully featured (like the Windows drivers)? |
| 11:12.46 | thewanderer1 | amee2k, of the error message dpkg-bot gave you |
| 11:12.50 | amee2k | ... |
| 11:13.03 | jwayne | I've got a i7 8gb ram 1gb video card .. and it's perfect on linux actually.. Asus G73 series |
| 11:13.06 | amee2k | obviously i tried it without the ! after i read that message, but it isn't responding |
| 11:13.15 | amee2k | i'm not /that/ stupid, you know >_< |
| 11:13.19 | jwayne | any problems, are from the computer not linux |
| 11:13.20 | fasta | jwayne: how long does the battery last? |
| 11:13.22 | tegraFromFuture | tht's not supposed to be an error message anyway. that's just a warning you get along with the factoid. |
| 11:13.28 | jwayne | fasta, ahah.. no comment :) |
| 11:13.37 | fasta | jwayne: sure, but that's what nobody cares about. |
| 11:13.48 | fasta | jwayne: it's 'Windows 5 hours, Linux 2 hours.' |
| 11:14.07 | jwayne | I'ld have to test on a normal laptop, see how power hungry debian is |
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| 11:14.12 | thewanderer1 | fasta, for me it's Linux 7 hours, Windows 6 hours. i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 pcie_aspm=force and you're rolling. |
| 11:14.15 | jwayne | Other thing is I run sid with fluxbox eh |
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| 11:14.26 | fasta | thewanderer1: which laptop model? |
| 11:14.39 | tegraFromFuture | thewanderer1, for me it is Linux 2 minutes, don't know about Windows. I don't have Windows. |
| 11:14.46 | thewanderer1 | fasta, Dell XPS L702x |
| 11:15.19 | thewanderer1 | had to kill OPTIMUS with fire (well, acpi_call) too, but totally worth it |
| 11:15.50 | tegraFromFuture | thewanderer1, what is the command to do that? I would like to increase my battery life from 2 minutes to 3 minutes. |
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| 11:16.07 | thewanderer1 | right... |
| 11:16.47 | fasta | I think the best environment to run Linux is in a virtual machine, because you don't have all those driver issues. |
| 11:16.51 | tegraFromFuture | okay, optimus is an nvidia thing. I don't have nvidia. |
| 11:16.59 | tegra | tegraFromFuture, updating stable to unstable atm. |
| 11:17.23 | jwayne | tegra, why going to sid? |
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| 11:17.31 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, I see broken packages here from the future. |
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| 11:17.43 | colo-work | has anyone of you ever migrated a Debian (Squeeze) setup from a physical to a virtual machine (qemu-kvm)? I have an LVM based setup on an old box, and would like to go that route, getting rid of LVM in the guest while I am at it. any advice on how to proceed? |
| 11:17.46 | tegra | :P i want to try sid |
| 11:17.49 | fasta | thewanderer1: Intel drivers are also not completely stable; I had a kernel oops from the driver last month. |
| 11:17.51 | amee2k | anyway, just wanted to drop by that something isn't working right about the bot there |
| 11:18.08 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, why not take one step forward to 'testing' instead of 'sid'. |
| 11:18.09 | amee2k | if you think i'm too stupid, then i was for reporting the problem anyway |
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| 11:18.16 | fasta | thewanderer1: also Intel Graphics are kind of a joke in the game developer community. |
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| 11:19.01 | thewanderer1 | fasta, that is true - they're getting better, though (almost 0 crashes in 3.2.0), and I blame Intel. and gaming? that's not what laptops are for, and again - Intel GPUs sucking is not a software issue :P |
| 11:19.28 | jelly | -tegraFromFuture- TIME Fri Mar 30 16:49:25 |
| 11:19.29 | jelly | -tegra- TIME Fri Mar 30 13:19:10 2012 |
| 11:19.35 | jelly | ... not lying! |
| 11:19.43 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, even though 'testing' is reasonably stable, some people get annoyed with it once in a while when things break. 'sid' can be very annoying for a user who simply wants to write code, torrent files, browse the web, listen to music and watch movies, etc. |
| 11:20.02 | fasta | thewanderer1: IMHO, AMD and NVidia are stalling progress in operating systems, because they make switching to anything which doesn't support their hardware fairly impossible. |
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| 11:20.13 | tegraFromFuture | jelly, how did you find my local time? |
| 11:20.23 | jwayne | ctcp time? |
| 11:20.28 | tegra | tegraFromFuture, i want to learn debian :) |
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| 11:20.32 | jelly | tegraFromFuture: used a sonic screwdriver with irc API |
| 11:20.40 | tegraFromFuture | why didn't I get a warning that I was ctcp-ed? I use xchat. |
| 11:20.49 | jelly | heh heh heh. |
| 11:20.55 | fasta | thewanderer1: Intel's drivers are surely more stable than AMD's. I will give you that. |
| 11:21.15 | fasta | But likely it's comparing a Fiat Panda to an F1 racing car. |
| 11:21.24 | jelly | fasta: I wouldn't bet my life on video-intel being "stable" |
| 11:21.25 | tegra | i think the best method is try :) |
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| 11:21.53 | fasta | jelly: I said 'more' and I said I had a kernel oops last month, which luckily already had been fixed. |
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| 11:22.34 | tegra | tegraFromFuture i do this on vm :) |
| 11:22.44 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, oh, then great! |
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| 11:23.34 | tegraFromFuture | btw, what can I learn in Debian? I use Debian much like any other Linux distro. install packages, listen to music, browse, etc. |
| 11:23.36 | tegra | mmm |
| 11:23.41 | tegraFromFuture | any pointers on how I can become a Debian geek? |
| 11:23.57 | tegra | i saw black screen now :P |
| 11:24.02 | tegra | crashed ? |
| 11:24.02 | jelly | tegraFromFuture: just use it. |
| 11:24.03 | jwayne | learning the different paths compared to other distros |
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| 11:24.18 | tegraFromFuture | i have been using debian for the last 5 years. not a geek yet. just a user. |
| 11:24.26 | jwayne | otherwise, enjoy the simplicity eh |
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| 11:24.35 | tegra | i use many distros |
| 11:24.35 | jelly | tegraFromFuture: using linux pretty much labels you a geek by default |
| 11:24.44 | tegraFromFuture | oh |
| 11:25.00 | tegra | gentoo debian ubuntu mint opensuse :P |
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| 11:25.12 | tegra | backtrack |
| 11:25.21 | tegra | and many others. |
| 11:25.41 | jwayne | yup distrowatch ftw. |
| 11:25.50 | tegra | yes i am the distrowatch man ahah |
| 11:26.07 | tegraFromFuture | tegra, don't you get confused where you kept which file? |
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| 11:26.28 | tegraFromFuture | I just use many directories. that's all. like /usr, /opt, /usr/local, /home/oops, etc. |
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| 11:27.00 | Rydekull | tegraFromFuture: seriously, why are you named tegraFromFuture? doesnt oops satisfy anymore? |
| 11:27.12 | tegra | lol |
| 11:27.47 | Rydekull | oops: thank you, too much tegra |
| 11:27.52 | oops | tegra, distrowatch is your website? |
| 11:27.59 | tegra | no.. |
| 11:28.12 | jwayne | he's a distrowatch addict/whore :/ |
| 11:28.24 | tegra | :P |
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| 11:28.52 | tegra | i tried sabayon too |
| 11:29.05 | spal | since we are at learning, any recommended resource for learning about Debian security administration? |
| 11:29.06 | tegra | i like kde |
| 11:29.40 | Rydekull | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 11:29.43 | spal | thanks. |
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| 11:30.50 | judgen | can i install kernel 3.0 on wheezy? |
| 11:31.36 | tegra | why not 3.2.13 ? |
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| 11:32.15 | jelly | judgen: sure, but current 3.0.x is not packaged by Debian |
| 11:32.24 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 11:32.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.13-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 11:33.04 | tegra | oh ok |
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| 11:33.51 | tegra | there are ,kde too ? |
| 11:34.06 | flower | sure |
| 11:34.12 | tegra | ,kde |
| 11:34.20 | tegra | :( |
| 11:34.30 | flower | i do not like kde |
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| 11:34.46 | flower | needs lots of times to remove all the waste in it |
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| 11:34.59 | tegra | eheh tastes.. |
| 11:35.09 | Iridos | judd, versions kdebase |
| 11:35.09 | daniel-s_ | If I have manually downloaded a .deb package, which I'm updating (the older version is already installed) do I just dpkg --install new-package.deb ? |
| 11:35.10 | judd | Package: kdebase on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 11:35.26 | daniel-s_ | or does dpkg need to be told that it's reinstalling something? |
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| 11:37.18 | jwayne | daniel_s_, if it's the same package, just different version, it will update it |
| 11:37.33 | nunne | how to i, by simplest means, route all outgoing traffic coming in on eth1 to eth0 -> router (eth0 is connect to a network with router to the internet, eth1 is not) |
| 11:38.16 | mjt | unless you're doing something very special, routing is done based on destination, not source. |
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| 11:40.02 | jwayne | oops, btw, on the becoming a debian geek.. hanging out in this chan, should put you on the right path no? learn from other people's questions, end up learning about debian's quirks |
| 11:40.16 | nunne | can i just add eth0's "router-ip" as default gw for eth1 as well? or do i need to do something fancy? |
| 11:40.27 | oops | jwayne, ok |
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| 11:40.47 | jwayne | (at least that what I like to think, kind of the reason why I'm here eh) |
| 11:40.54 | tegra | lol gnome is going crazy in debian sid |
| 11:41.11 | jwayne | yeah.. it'll do that |
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| 11:41.14 | jelly | tegra: things goign crazy in sid is just the normal state of affairs |
| 11:41.34 | jwayne | tegra, make sure your video card can support gnome3 |
| 11:41.42 | jwayne | otherwise use the fallback |
| 11:41.49 | judgen | tegra: Since i can not get the 3.2* vmware patch to work |
| 11:42.57 | tegra | i use virtualbox |
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| 11:43.50 | nunne | or will "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" be sufficient in my case? |
| 11:44.00 | jwayne | eh.. |
| 11:44.16 | tegra | damn i cant switch tty |
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| 11:44.23 | tegra | if gnome is crazy :D |
| 11:44.23 | jwayne | *going out on a limb here... arp spooooooooooof* .. just sayin' |
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| 11:45.25 | Dov_Rine | Is there a better partition type than ext4 for a 2TB backup drive of user data like documents (not many large files)? |
| 11:45.25 | jwayne | tegra, sry I don't have my notes on when I configured gnome on sid :/ had a few problems too |
| 11:45.57 | jwayne | tegra, just check your logs, kill X if needed, don't be scared of command line ;) |
| 11:46.40 | tegra | i think.. i need to enter with ssh.. |
| 11:46.57 | tegra | it's crazy atm :D |
| 11:47.38 | jwayne | nice :) |
| 11:48.13 | tegra | lol i have 63 tty of gnome.. |
| 11:48.19 | tegra | in the process list |
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| 11:49.43 | Sevet | nunne: the iptables FORWARD table will affect what your box forwards too |
| 11:49.57 | tegra | how to kill all gnome sessions ? |
| 11:50.40 | tegra | oh wait they disappear.. |
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| 11:56.10 | Iridos | tegra, the kernel is a special case because all package names contain version numbers, everyone has one and it's a common question |
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| 11:59.01 | tegra | anyone have tried kde 4.8 in debian ? |
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| 12:05.56 | Iridos | oh damn... I took a lot of very similar pictures and cut out a bit of one (and adjusted colors etc)... I don't think there's any software that can tell me what the picture it was based on was? |
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| 12:08.08 | jtheuer_ | is there any "telnet proxy" program that I can register with inetd so I can do a "telnet localhost 9999" and forward that connection to another host defined in the inetd conf? |
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| 12:09.02 | jelly | jtheuer_: you can use redir for that |
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| 12:09.26 | colo-work | if that won't work, take a look at socat. best tool ever. |
| 12:09.39 | outlaw84 | Anyone else keep having problems with udisk-deamon using alot of system reasorses? It seams like my keeps getting stuck and when this happens my load goes up 16! I even reinstalled the computer yesterday with Wheezy/testing |
| 12:11.10 | jelly | colo-work: why would it not work? |
| 12:11.44 | jelly | [KITTENS] stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/bin/redir redir --syslog --name=PUPPIES --inetd --caddr=localhost --cport=8100 |
| 12:11.47 | colo-work | jelly, user error in inetd's config ;) |
| 12:12.13 | colo-work | (I just felt like spreading the word about socat. it's awesome, people should know it exists.) |
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| 12:12.57 | jelly | it's very nice, I agree, but redir is much simpler and does the job for tcp<->tcp proxying |
| 12:13.33 | jelly | (it can also do that standalone if fork-exec performance is acceptable) |
| 12:14.19 | jelly | redir --lport=10026 --laddr=$MY_IP --cport=10026 --caddr=localhost |
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| 12:14.46 | jelly | can't be bothered to sanitize all the pasted stuff |
| 12:15.41 | jelly | (why don't we do that with iptables, you ask? Because linux kernel doesn't do PREROUTING and loopback) |
| 12:15.59 | jtheuer_ | jelly: cool, redir works! |
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| 12:17.41 | nsadmin | outlaw84, heya... try this: don't assume everyone knows about the daemon or use it... tell us what your machine is doing, and also say something about how you found out it was this daemon you mention |
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| 12:19.17 | nsadmin | I want you to get great results... and the more details you give, the better they can be |
| 12:19.47 | outlaw84 | nsadmin: it seams to happen in the background, I can see that udisks-deamon is causing the problem in htop, also the problem stops if I do a "killall -9 udisks-deamon' |
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| 12:20.16 | nsadmin | that;s good evidence |
| 12:20.41 | Trewas | outlaw84: you could try udisks --monitor (or some of the other options mentioned in man udisks) to see if it thinks it is doing something useful |
| 12:21.15 | nsadmin | what is a udisk anyway? submergables? |
| 12:21.16 | outlaw84 | nsadmin: what I usually notice in the foreground is that gtk applications that open a browse for files-windows get locked up and crash, once I do a killall, I get restart the gtk application and do what I wanted |
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| 12:21.37 | outlaw84 | this does not seam to affect my qt/kde applcation, I am running kde as desktop |
| 12:22.07 | Trewas | nsadmin: it handles automagically mounting usb-disks etc |
| 12:22.07 | nsadmin | that sounds like disk activity... are you noticing for example your disk light on when the daemon runs? |
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| 12:23.08 | Trewas | nsadmin: or more as a layer between udev and the DE, so that DE can do whatever it needs when a disk is plugged in |
| 12:23.11 | outlaw84 | Trewas: thanks, I'll try that |
| 12:23.39 | outlaw84 | Trewas: but I did not plug in anything |
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| 12:25.29 | Trewas | outlaw84: but it might think something has been plugged/unplugged and --monitor shows those events... just an idea anyway |
| 12:26.20 | koisoke | how much breakage above wheezy can I expect if I upgrade to sid? |
| 12:28.19 | ksk | 23 |
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| 12:29.35 | nsadmin | maybe there's a lot of usb traffic? |
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| 12:30.45 | koisoke | asking because although things in wheezy don't break terribly often, they seem to stay broken for a long time when they do. |
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| 12:32.20 | fishsponge | i have "hplip 3.10.6-2+squeeze1" on my debian box (from the standard repos)... but my printer requires "hplip 3.12.2" or above... what is the easiest way to upgrade to this version? |
| 12:32.58 | babilen | koisoke: You can always pull packages from sid. See "/msg dpkg tum" for that approach. |
| 12:33.09 | fishsponge | is sid newer than squeeze then? |
| 12:33.16 | fishsponge | sorry - that wasn't directed at me... |
| 12:33.34 | tegra | i installed debian in chroot on android but i have some problems. |
| 12:33.35 | koisoke | babilen: thanks |
| 12:33.42 | tegra | with ics doesnt work |
| 12:33.50 | ksk | !tell fishsponge about backports |
| 12:34.05 | tegra | with 2.3.x work.. |
| 12:34.35 | fishsponge | ksk, ah... so how can I find out if 3.12.2 or above is in the backports? |
| 12:34.45 | ksk | dpkg told you |
| 12:34.46 | dpkg | ksk: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:34.50 | fishsponge | i'd rather not set it all up to find this version still hasn't been backported |
| 12:35.10 | ksk | see the link, you can do a websearch |
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| 12:35.54 | fishsponge | ksk, dpkg has told me what backports are and how to set them up, but I cannot find a way to search the backports repository to see if it actually contains the version i need... |
| 12:35.58 | nsadmin | dpkg is a poopie head! |
| 12:35.58 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nsadmin |
| 12:36.06 | themill | fishsponge: you'd have to backport both pyppd and hplip yourself. The build-dependencies appear to be satisfied in squeeze for them so it would hopefully work. /msg dpkg backport caveat |
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| 12:36.46 | fishsponge | themill, ah, so i cannot simply install them from a repo myself... i'll need to backport them... wouldn't it be easier to grab hplip.run from the sourceforge page and run it rather than backport them manually? |
| 12:36.48 | themill | fishsponge: you can "/msg judd versions $package" and judd will tell you if the package is backported. Alternatively look at packages.debian.org. |
| 12:37.03 | nsadmin | fishsponge once you set up the source, you can do things like apt-cache policy <pkgname> and see what versiuons are out there |
| 12:37.33 | fishsponge | nsadmin, yes, but i've just been told that i'll have to backport them myself (presumably because they're not out there) |
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| 12:38.54 | nsadmin | oh, because it's not in backports? |
| 12:39.04 | fishsponge | themill, ah, so both "sid" and "wheezy" have the version I need, so presumably all i need to do is setup a backport to sid, install "hplip" and "pyppd", then comment out the backport in sources.list so it doesn't update loads of other stuff, right? |
| 12:39.26 | nsadmin | or to wheezy :) |
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| 12:40.30 | fishsponge | so as I understand it, i just add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to sources.list, run "apt-get update hplip pyppd" then remove that backports line from sources.list, right? |
| 12:40.49 | themill | fishsponge: "backport from sid to squeeze" not "backport to sid"; you can leave backports in your sources.list as they are not installed unless you request them specifically. |
| 12:41.25 | themill | fishsponge: you're not going to install those packages from backports.debian.org, you're going to recompile your own backported packages. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:41.26 | babilen | fishsponge: And you have to pass the "-t squeeze-backports" to apt-get/aptitude if you want to install backports. |
| 12:41.57 | fishsponge | themill, right... so even though judd tells me they're available i'm still going to have to recompile or re-package them myself? |
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| 12:42.46 | fishsponge | i've never complied or packaged anything in my life to speak of... would it be easier if I just download hplip-3.12.2.run from sourceforge and run it? |
| 12:42.48 | themill | fishsponge: judd is not telling you that they are available at all |
| 12:43.18 | fishsponge | themill, it says "Package: hplip on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; sid: 3.12.2-1; wheezy: 3.12.2-1" |
| 12:43.21 | fishsponge | so is it lying? |
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| 12:44.22 | themill | fishsponge: I'm not seeing "squeeze-backports: 3.12" in that list, are you? |
| 12:44.52 | fishsponge | oh, ok... i didn't read the start of the line - i skipped through to squeeze, sid and wheezy. makes sense now |
| 12:45.28 | fishsponge | so... given that it's not in backports and i have no knowledge of packaging or compiling, should I just run "./hplip-3.12.2.run" as root? |
| 12:46.13 | themill | if you need apt to know about the installation, then you want to make the backport. It's not hard to do and will be much better behaved in amongst the rest of your packages |
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| 12:47.28 | fishsponge | themill, ok, given i've never packaged or compiled anything to speak of before, how long do you think this will take me from right not to having the printer driver available to the system? |
| 12:47.28 | baronos | who are engaged in assembling packages Gnome3.4 for debian? |
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| 12:47.37 | fishsponge | rough estimate... |
| 12:47.47 | fishsponge | is it one command or do i need to go and read some docs and learn stuff? |
| 12:47.52 | valdyn | shifty: !ssb |
| 12:47.56 | valdyn | oops |
| 12:48.09 | fishsponge | i'm happy to learn, but simply don't have time in this instance, you see... hence wanting to just run hplip.run |
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| 12:48.26 | Stefunel | If I install something with -t unstable, where is it taking all it's dependencies from? from the unstable repository? |
| 12:48.49 | dekatch | hey guys! lets say i got a notebook with an cardreader! could i install debian to an sdhc card? with MBR and everything? all onto this ? and also, when i unplug this sdhc card i want to boot my os from my harddrive |
| 12:48.59 | valdyn | fishsponge: it takes just a few minutes |
| 12:49.07 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 12:49.07 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:49.27 | babilen | fishsponge: I would estimate 4 minutes 23 seconds -- You have to backport and install pyppd first. (Follow "/msg dpkg ssb" and install it with "dpkg -i the.deb") -- After you've done that you can do the same for hplip. |
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| 12:49.41 | dekatch | if someone has an answere, a simples yes or no would be enough! ill work out the rest for myself |
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| 12:50.48 | valdyn | dekatch: we cant know if youre notebook can boot from that card reader. Other than that there should be nothing in the way |
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| 12:51.42 | dekatch | awww, i guess i got no bootoption for my cardreader or maybe i need to set this in bios menu |
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| 12:51.57 | dekatch | ok valdyn that i need to work out thx.. |
| 12:52.03 | valdyn | dekatch: this is set in the bios |
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| 12:53.09 | fishsponge | thanks for the advice from dpkg... this is going to take too long for me to figure out unfortunately. finding a deb-src line, learning how to enable backports, learning how to install the resulting deb files is going to take me too long i think |
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| 12:53.46 | fishsponge | is there any harm in just running ./hplip.run ? |
| 12:54.00 | valdyn | fishsponge: we cant know |
| 12:54.03 | dekatch | fishsponge ull see! after u got it done u will be a little proud! just do it! if u fail ... do it again |
| 12:54.29 | fishsponge | dekatch, i'd love to, but I have about 3 minutes to get this printer setup and then i'll have to leave it for several weeks. |
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| 12:54.43 | dekatch | i remember installing my first ati radeon driver! this was like an examen from highschool |
| 12:54.45 | dekatch | :P |
| 12:55.16 | valdyn | fishsponge: looks to me like you have been in a hurry for quite a long time, now finally theres 3 minutes left? duh |
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| 12:55.32 | valdyn | !hurry |
| 12:55.32 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 12:55.46 | fishsponge | ok, i've given up now anyway. |
| 12:56.13 | fishsponge | thanks for the help - i'll try to look into this another day... |
| 12:56.20 | Iridos | fishsponge, so what will you do if you run that strange script you want to run and it does something horrible? |
| 12:56.23 | dekatch | yea, tell ur momma and she will give u a cookie^^ |
| 12:56.32 | fishsponge | Iridos, i'm not going to run it now, no time |
| 12:56.38 | fishsponge | thanks, guys! |
| 12:56.39 | fishsponge | gtg |
| 12:56.51 | dekatch | just kidding by myside :D |
| 12:56.54 | Iridos | installing stuff is a bit like driving in a car |
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| 12:57.16 | Iridos | it'll not be faster just because you're in a hurry, so you better plan for enough time |
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| 12:59.28 | Marchitos | i got a pc with debian 5.0 and a ps\2 keyboard |
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| 12:59.43 | Woet | Marchitos: 5.0 is EOL, update before asking questions. |
| 12:59.55 | Woet | !next |
| 12:59.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:00.34 | Marchitos | Sorry , is that possible that isn't possible to act with the bootloader with the keyboard? Pressing esc,tab,space, has no effects, boot just start as always |
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| 13:01.58 | nsadmin | you mean the ps/2 kbd? |
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| 13:02.55 | Marchitos | yes |
| 13:03.39 | Marchitos | maybe it's disabled in someway by the sysadmin, the keyboard is perfectly working when X is ready |
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| 13:04.09 | nsadmin | ok, and you can't do anything when in the boot loader? |
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| 13:04.41 | dekatch | i know this behaviour from wireless keyboards! but a ps/2 should be safe! there is no option to disable afaik |
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| 13:05.37 | slikts | can I somehow have sudo -i with my non-root user's .vimrc? |
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| 13:07.24 | nsadmin | slikts, what are you looking to do? |
| 13:07.37 | slikts | I'd like to have line numbers etc. when I edit configs as root |
| 13:07.47 | slikts | without having a duplicate .vimrc in /root |
| 13:07.49 | Marchitos | tell me a key that should stop the bootloader :) |
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| 13:08.10 | dekatch | Marchitos ctrl+alt+del? |
| 13:08.30 | mashed | slikts: can't you enable line numbers in /etc/vimrc? |
| 13:08.33 | Marchitos | okay, i am gonna test when i'll have the computer under hand, thanks |
| 13:08.34 | dekatch | should interupt the boot process and restart |
| 13:09.01 | slikts | mashed: keeping the current user's vimrc would be nicer... |
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| 13:09.40 | mashed | ln -s ~/.vimrc /root/vimrc |
| 13:09.41 | dekatch | Marchitos ur system also should have a bios which u can reach with f8, f10, f12 or del... u need to try, that depends on manufacturer |
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| 13:09.53 | mashed | it may not work but its worth a shot |
| 13:09.55 | Marchitos | sure |
| 13:10.04 | slikts | mashed: it would work, but seems insecure |
| 13:10.19 | slikts | also not neat |
| 13:10.25 | slikts | I'll just edit /etc/vim/vimrc, thanks |
| 13:10.31 | babilen | Marchitos: You want to press the SHIFT key, this will interrupt grub IIRC. You can also google for yourself though: "interrupt grub automatic boot" or variations thereof. |
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| 13:12.02 | dekatch | IIRC AFAIK was used for that shorten or? :D |
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| 13:12.22 | dekatch | the webzzzz always something new :) |
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| 13:13.39 | slikts | mashed: I'm actually adding /etc/vim/vimrc.local since this seems like the cleanest option |
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| 13:14.17 | _schulte_ | when installing debian on a VM, in "[!] configuring grub-pc" I get "the following Linux command line was extracted... please verify", but the text field is empty. If I leave it empty the install fails with grub errors, any idea how to find what goes in this field? thanks. |
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| 13:33.40 | Squirrel-Neko | hello :) |
| 13:33.52 | jwayne | hello :/ |
| 13:34.06 | dvs | herrow |
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| 13:37.16 | _schulte_ | so where can one get lenny instillation media now that it is off of the mirrors? |
| 13:37.52 | mjt | just use squeeze |
| 13:38.30 | _schulte_ | mjt: If I could I would, but I can't. The tool I need to use *only* runs on lenny |
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| 13:38.43 | themill | _schulte_: what tool would this be, btw? |
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| 13:39.06 | _schulte_ | https://github.com/mit-carbon/Graphite/wiki/Getting-Started |
| 13:39.09 | mjt | that's highly unlikely |
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| 13:39.21 | _schulte_ | mjt: did you not think that it had occured to me to use the current supported version? |
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| 13:40.32 | Marchitos | what is the difference between booting with init 1 or init=/bin/sh ? |
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| 13:40.44 | themill | dpkg: tell _schulte_ about install lenny |
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| 13:41.07 | Repox | _schulte_: Tried following the link on the link you posted? |
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| 13:41.21 | themill | _schulte_: abandonware ftl :( btw have you tried to see if you can get it to work under squeeze? untested != doesn't work. |
| 13:41.30 | mjt | btw, what _is_ this graphite simulator? ;) |
| 13:41.56 | _schulte_ | themill: thanks, I tried that with the business card, but it switches to squeeze mid-install, if I get the large CD would I have better luck? |
| 13:42.19 | _schulte_ | Repox: yes, but most of the media from that page still installs squeeze |
| 13:42.44 | themill | _schulte_: the netinst actually has enough on it to do the installation; the business card will go off and fetch stuff as it proceeds |
| 13:42.53 | _schulte_ | mjt: it is this http://groups.csail.mit.edu/carbon/?page_id=111 |
| 13:42.59 | _schulte_ | themill: ok, great, thanks |
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| 13:45.47 | dekatch | fu :( my toshiba doesnt allow me to boot from cardreader! :( |
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| 13:46.14 | dekatch | need to go via usb, hdd/sdd, lan, dvd :( |
| 13:46.25 | dekatch | someone ever was able to boot from integrated cardreader? |
| 13:47.03 | a111 | yes |
| 13:47.12 | dvs | dekatch: I never tried mine |
| 13:47.17 | dekatch | which manufacturer a111 |
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| 13:47.34 | dvs | dekatch: mine is a Toshiba |
| 13:47.43 | dvs | hmmm... |
| 13:47.43 | a111 | HP |
| 13:48.01 | dekatch | i got a cute tosh c660-2gm, and tosh support just informed me that this isnt possible with that one |
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| 13:48.20 | a111 | just use a usb pen drive |
| 13:48.30 | a111 | they are really cheap |
| 13:48.58 | dekatch | yea, thats what i wanted to avoid^^ |
| 13:49.01 | dekatch | :DD |
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| 13:49.32 | dekatch | cause of the size! |
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| 13:57.00 | xreal | how can I reconfigure my mirrors using a textbased gui ? |
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| 13:57.41 | BotaniCar | edit /etc/apt/sources.list, if i understood you right |
| 13:58.01 | babilen | !tell xreal -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 13:58.08 | xreal | BotaniCar: I thought, there is a textbased gui of this, like during the installer. |
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| 13:58.28 | xreal | babilen: I'm using this all the time, but I thought, there is a more easy way :) |
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| 13:58.42 | dekatch | using a texteditor is using the GUI :D there are no colored buttons for the mirrors :D |
| 13:58.44 | babilen | xreal: What could be easier than editing a plain text file? |
| 13:58.45 | BotaniCar | xreal: no curses ui known to me |
| 13:58.48 | jwayne | dpkg --reconfigure wouldnt work? |
| 13:58.50 | dpkg | jwayne: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:59.02 | devios | hello, teh debians! I have a server that appears to currently be debian_version 6.0.4 running kernel 2.6.26-2-686. i'd like to make it current. before I do apt-get upgrade, can someone show me exactly what my /etc/apt/sources.list file should look like? |
| 13:59.03 | xreal | jwayne: which package? |
| 13:59.54 | dekatch | xreal debian isnt win8 ^^ .... kidding |
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| 14:00.05 | xreal | :p |
| 14:00.23 | babilen | devios: That kernel is old (lenny) whereas 6.0.4 is the current stable version. What is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "aptitude versions '~o'"? Could you paste that to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:00.39 | babilen | devios: Ah, please include your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" as well. |
| 14:01.15 | devios | babilen: sure can - un momento. |
| 14:01.16 | jwayne | xreal, nvm i guess.. http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 14:01.19 | jwayne | that could work.. |
| 14:01.40 | xreal | jwyne: yep, I'm using this right now. But you can't select other German mirrors. |
| 14:02.00 | babilen | devios: I'll be back in a second .. let the channel take a look as well. |
| 14:02.53 | jwayne | xreal, can't find anything else sry |
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| 14:03.07 | devios | babilen: "aptitude versions '~o'" gave me, "Unknown command "versions"" |
| 14:03.10 | xreal | jwayne: these are the small things, which annoy me every time when using Linux :) |
| 14:03.54 | jwayne | just choose your mirrors wisely on install? :D |
| 14:04.30 | dvs | devios: Just paste the /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-cache policy output |
| 14:04.42 | devios | dvs: babilen: http://paste.debian.net/161455/ |
| 14:05.06 | devios | dvs: "apt-cache policy output" ? |
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| 14:05.20 | xreal | oh http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ is gone |
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| 14:06.04 | dvs | devios: You have squeeze. I'd change the instances of "stable" in sources.list to "squeeze" |
| 14:06.08 | devios | dvs: babilen: http://paste.debian.net/161456/ <- includes apt-cache policy |
| 14:06.11 | xreal | When has it been switched off ? |
| 14:07.15 | devios | squeeze |
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| 14:10.01 | devios | dvs: so change all instances of "stable" to "squeeze", then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade (to take care of these packages that are being kept back?) |
| 14:10.25 | dvs | devios: Yes |
| 14:10.35 | devios | dvs: thx - standby :-) |
| 14:13.04 | devios | dvs: how does one automate important updates so that the system doesn't get so out of date? |
| 14:14.04 | dvs | devios: If you use a GUI, there are options in the settings that will automatically check for updates. I use KDE which checks periodically and notifies me if there are any. |
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| 14:15.54 | devios | dvs: not gui |
| 14:16.07 | babilen | devios: Oh, please run "aptitude search '~o'" in that case. I would also recommend to use "squeeze" and not "stable" in your sources.list -- Did you install that server is lenny? I guess that upgraded from lenny to squeeze incompletely because you use "stable" and not "lenny" or "squeeze" in your sources.list |
| 14:16.19 | dvs | ... ;-) |
| 14:16.22 | devios | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/161458/ <- got a scary looking error on apt-get dist-upgrade. :-( |
| 14:16.32 | babilen | devios: This would mean that you are stuck halfway between lenny and squeeze. |
| 14:16.44 | devios | babilen: i suspect that to be the case. |
| 14:17.50 | babilen | devios: Ok, it is of *uttermost importance* that you upgrade your kernel *and* udev together before you upgrade the rest of the system. The general procedure for the upgrade is detailed in "/msg dpkg release notes" and summarised in "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
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| 14:19.20 | babilen | devios: As we don't really know which packages have been upgraded and which not, I would start by upgrading the kernel and udev. The error you see is most likely due to legacy/third-party init scripts. Legacy ones can be removed with "aptitude purge ~c" (that will purge removed-but-not-purged packages (effectively remove config files of removed pacakges)) |
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| 14:21.45 | devios | babilen: ok followed the instructions, have a .32 kernel installed and set as default |
| 14:22.09 | dvs | devios: boot into that kernel |
| 14:22.14 | dvs | right? |
| 14:22.15 | devios | babilen: also purged the config files and ran dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc without errors |
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| 14:23.01 | devios | dvs babilen - ya i think rebooting into the correct kernel is the next step, but im gun-shy because the system is on another continent - lol |
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| 14:23.17 | devios | dvs: babilen: anything else i should ceheck before rebooting? |
| 14:23.35 | dvs | devios: oh, Just don't purge the old one... yet |
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| 14:23.59 | babilen | devios: Which udev version do you have installed now? (dpkg -l udev|tail -n1) |
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| 14:24.35 | babilen | devios: And *please* make sure that you *never* use "stable" in your sources.list again in the future. |
| 14:24.45 | devios | babilen: thx for the tip |
| 14:24.52 | devios | babilen: ii udev 164-3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 14:25.06 | dvs | cool |
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| 14:25.34 | babilen | devios: That's fine. I can, however, not guarantee that your system will come up again. You have to boot into the new kernel to continue though. |
| 14:25.45 | devios | dvs: babilen: so reboot and pray to the gods of linux? |
| 14:25.55 | dvs | kneels |
| 14:26.06 | babilen | devios: Please also make sure that you have firmware-linux-nonfree and/or other relevant firmware packages installed. |
| 14:26.24 | dekatch | update ur data, make sure that u got a rescue console, and check if u can reinstall from ur hoster devios |
| 14:26.26 | dvs | oh, good idea |
| 14:26.28 | babilen | devios: Please paste the output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:26.29 | omid8bimo | hello, i use Awesome WM + debian + network-manager and i have this error http://paste.debian.net/161463/ when i click on a wireless network from the nm-apple list. any idea? |
| 14:26.37 | dekatch | sry, i meant backup ur data^ |
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| 14:26.54 | babilen | devios: And you clearly meant to write "your" and not "ur" |
| 14:28.21 | dekatch | babilen "you" was typing to me? :D excuse my short words! |
| 14:28.52 | babilen | Oh, ENICK. Sorry devios :) |
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| 14:29.07 | dekatch | wasnt there a documentation out there why not to run a server if you dont have the clue about it? |
| 14:29.08 | babilen | !tell dekatch -about ur |
| 14:29.09 | ||HaKi|| | exit |
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| 14:30.12 | dekatch | this could become a very expensive problem in the future when you get compromised or something |
| 14:30.14 | devios | babilen: dvs: doh - doesn't look like coming back online - will have to get provider to put kvm on it :-( |
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| 14:30.53 | babilen | devios: Did you install necessary firmware packages for you hardware? |
| 14:31.00 | devios | babilen: dvs: oops - spoke too soon! it's back... |
| 14:31.21 | dvs | yay! |
| 14:31.22 | babilen | \o/ |
| 14:31.25 | devios | uname -a showing 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:31.31 | dvs | !beer computer |
| 14:31.31 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for computer |
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| 14:32.28 | devios | http://paste.debian.net/161464/ |
| 14:32.51 | babilen | devios: Very good -- You should now be able to continue with "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Or rather: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full (you should have read/followed that) -- Please make sure you read Chapter 2 in there. |
| 14:32.58 | babilen | !tell devios -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 14:33.12 | omid8bimo | hello, i use Awesome WM + debian + network-manager and i have this error http://paste.debian.net/161463/ when i click on a wireless network from the nm-apple list. any idea? |
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| 14:34.17 | thewanderer1 | omid8bimo, are you on Wheezy/Sid? |
| 14:34.33 | omid8bimo | thewanderer1: im using testing |
| 14:34.39 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sounds like it |
| 14:34.49 | omid8bimo | so? |
| 14:35.10 | thewanderer1 | apparently, the new nm-applet from GNOME3 requires you to have some GNOME3-specific "service" running - probably over D-Bus |
| 14:35.20 | babilen | I guess that you forgot to run /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
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| 14:35.29 | thewanderer1 | right. PolicyKit. |
| 14:35.40 | omid8bimo | so how can i run policykit? |
| 14:35.46 | devios | babilen: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't show anything needing an update |
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| 14:35.48 | babilen | omid8bimo: How do you start awesome? |
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| 14:36.11 | dvs | devios: That's good. It's already done. |
| 14:36.16 | tracer1 | Does anyone can help me? |
| 14:36.20 | babilen | devios: Please run "aptitude search ~U" and "aptitude versions ~o" (or "aptitude search ~o") |
| 14:36.20 | omid8bimo | babilen: by startx with .xinitrc |
| 14:37.08 | tracer1 | send some messages nc 188.233.167.244 5555 |
| 14:37.09 | babilen | omid8bimo: Ok, I take it that you have "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch awesome" in there already? Oh, btw. We have a wheezy/sid specific channel called #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- I would recommend to come there. |
| 14:37.28 | babilen | omid8bimo: If you start awesome already in that way you only need to execute /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
| 14:37.50 | devios | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/161467/ |
| 14:38.12 | babilen | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/161468/ |
| 14:38.36 | dekatch | haha babilen was kidding me about the shortening "ur" for your :D i liked the explanation babilen :D |
| 14:38.39 | omid8bimo | babilen: i've started awesome with this "exec ssh-agent awesome" . will this be enough or i should change it to what u posted? |
| 14:38.56 | thewanderer1 | babilen, oh, the old gtkrc thing... seems like GTK3 is just GTK2 after a naming change, then :P |
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| 14:39.16 | babilen | omid8bimo: Yes, you have to make sure that consolekit and dbus are initialiased correctly. |
| 14:39.55 | devios | all, especially babilen and dvs: thank you much. |
| 14:39.57 | babilen | devios: Ok, please run "aptitude purge '~o'" -- Make sure that you sources.list is complete (see "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list") and run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" again. |
| 14:40.34 | babilen | thewanderer1: Well, yeah. At least it works :-/ |
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| 14:40.42 | thewanderer1 | thanks :P |
| 14:40.48 | babilen | !tell omid8bimo -about u |
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| 14:41.21 | omid8bimo | babilen: all right. let me close my session and test with those and come back in debian-next for more |
| 14:41.38 | dekatch | what does "unixname -a" show me on current debian releases? |
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| 14:42.10 | babilen | devios: Please show me your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and that of "aptitude search ~U" and: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 14:42.13 | dekatch | was kidding and have to go to the supermarket now :P |
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| 14:42.58 | babilen | omid8bimo: Sure -- See you there! |
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| 14:44.03 | devios | babilen: working on it |
| 14:44.06 | babilen | omid8bimo: You need to have the consolekit and dbus-x11 packages for that. |
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| 14:45.30 | devios | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/161471/ <- that look correct for sources.list? |
| 14:45.56 | babilen | devios: It does, yes. |
| 14:46.16 | devios | will get the other commands |
| 14:46.47 | babilen | devios: My personal experience is that ftp.ie is much faster than ftp.uk though (*in* the UK that is) |
| 14:47.20 | joar | I can't open screens as non-root |
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| 14:48.13 | babilen | joar: What exactly do you mean by "open screens" ? Do you get any error messages? |
| 14:48.32 | joar | babilen: I tried closing a single screen I had opened |
| 14:48.41 | babilen | joar: As in GNU screen? |
| 14:48.42 | joar | I wrote my first message prematurely |
| 14:49.03 | babilen | joar: Take your time :) |
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| 14:49.47 | devios | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/161473/ |
| 14:50.18 | babilen | devios: Looks good. |
| 14:50.28 | devios | babilen: thank you! |
| 14:50.44 | babilen | devios: You are welcome! Have a nice day :) |
| 14:51.04 | devios | babilen: i have about 10 other debian servers i have to replicate this process on now... |
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| 14:51.18 | babilen | devios: All halfway upgraded to squeeze? |
| 14:51.24 | devios | babilen: maybe... lol |
| 14:51.31 | dvs | doh |
| 14:51.32 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 14:51.59 | devios | babilen: nothing is mission critical, but failure would be slightly annoying |
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| 14:55.52 | _schulte_ | do any mirrors still have archives for Lenny? If not would a full install CD (rather than netinst) be able to complete an install w/o need for an external archive? thanks |
| 14:56.20 | slikts | hey why doesn't squeeze have php-fpm |
| 14:56.22 | mjt | is snapshot.debian.org useful? |
| 14:57.18 | themill | dpkg: tell _schulte_ about lenny sources.list |
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| 14:57.40 | _schulte_ | mjt: checking now, thanks for the pointer, doesn't look like I'm able to enter my own mirror url during install (at least non-export install) |
| 14:57.50 | baronos | where you can see the process of preparing for debian Gnome3.4? |
| 14:58.05 | ksk | _schulte_: ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/archive.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 14:58.08 | themill | _schulte_: the netinst is sufficient to complete the installation after which you can add things to your sources.list |
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| 14:58.28 | ksk | even etch and sarge :D |
| 14:58.31 | themill | slikts: because it was not stable at the time squeeze was released |
| 14:58.40 | themill | ksk: backports probably isn't so useful though... |
| 14:58.51 | mjt | _schulte_: fwiw, I'd - probbably - try to figure out why it does not work on squeeze and fix that... but.. you're ofcourse not me :) |
| 14:59.01 | ksk | ye, true. so remove the backports part from the url and you got what you want.. |
| 14:59.05 | ksk | archives are there, too |
| 14:59.10 | babilen | mjt: Debian Gnome team's mailing list, IRC, web pages come to mind ... |
| 14:59.14 | _schulte_ | netinst won't complete the install without a valid mirror, but it looks like I can manually specify one of these archive/backport sites as a mirror |
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| 14:59.29 | ksk | down to bo (which i didnt even know :> ) |
| 14:59.32 | mjt | babilen: sorry? |
| 14:59.45 | _schulte_ | mjt: the prospect of hacking a system emulator is not appealing to me :) |
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| 14:59.51 | babilen | mjt: ENICK, sorry |
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| 15:00.08 | babilen | baronos: Debian Gnome team's mailing list, IRC, web pages come to mind ... and there is also http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.4-status.html |
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| 15:00.31 | baronos | babilen: thanks |
| 15:02.27 | slikts | themill: that really sucks |
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| 15:04.36 | devios | babilen: dvs: i copied all your instructions and the dpkg messages - will be back if i have any problems, but i think i understand the process - again, really appreciate the help - thx |
| 15:04.55 | babilen | devios: Hehe :) -- Read the release notes as well. |
| 15:05.11 | devios | babilen: ya im pouring through them now, actually |
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| 15:05.20 | devios | babilen: not that i understand 1/2 of them |
| 15:05.44 | babilen | devios: Just ask if something is unclear. |
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| 15:07.17 | slikts | is it okay to use dotdeb.org or are there better alternative repos? |
| 15:07.25 | slikts | I just want to have php-fpm in squeeze |
| 15:07.35 | ksk | would you say gnome3 runs smoothly/usable in testing? |
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| 15:08.59 | slikts | for instance, what's the difference between debian-ports.org and dotdeb.org? |
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| 15:10.03 | slikts | nvm |
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| 15:10.16 | _schulte_ | themill: much thanks for the pointers, I'm now booted into lenny and sucessfully apt-get updating |
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| 15:14.45 | optraz | before gnome 3.2, i used to able to read the network statistics by adding a network applet to the panel but right now, after gnome 3.2, i cant do that. is there any application that can do that? |
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| 15:15.16 | somiaj | !tell slikts about dotdeb |
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| 15:15.45 | somiaj | slikts: really if you want to not have a headache try to stick to offical sources. Such as squeeze-backports |
| 15:16.17 | babilen | somiaj, slikts: AFAIK we do not ship PHP in backports right now. Shouldn't be too hard to backport it from sid though. (See "/msg dpkg ssb") |
| 15:16.27 | babilen | ,checkbackport php5 |
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| 15:16.34 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 15:17.32 | slikts | somiaj: okay, I already managed to start using dotdeb, but I'll try to switch to backports |
| 15:17.36 | babilen | slikts: No idea how well that works with applications that depends on php5 in squeeze though. PHP is not really known for being particularly backwards compatible. (even for minor versions) |
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| 15:18.05 | somiaj | babilen: the the dotdeb factoid is a bit missleading. |
| 15:18.09 | babilen | slikts: dotdeb packages are totally unsupported by us. I would recommend to backport php yourself. |
| 15:18.11 | slikts | fpm is not in backports, however |
| 15:18.15 | somiaj | s/the the/then the/ |
| 15:18.18 | babilen | somiaj: It wasn't for lenny ;) |
| 15:18.25 | somiaj | ahh (: |
| 15:18.32 | slikts | babilen: I would need backports for php-fpm, but they are too outdated |
| 15:18.34 | babilen | somiaj: But yeah, it should be fixed. One second please. |
| 15:18.43 | babilen | ,versions php-fpm |
| 15:18.44 | judd | No package named 'php-fpm' was found in i386. |
| 15:18.48 | babilen | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 15:18.49 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.4.0-3; wheezy: 5.4.0-3 |
| 15:18.56 | babilen | ,checkbackport php5-fpm |
| 15:19.03 | judd | Backporting package php5-fpm in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 15:19.15 | babilen | Isn't that built from the php5 source package as well? I had the impression, but that might be wrong. |
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| 15:19.26 | Teduardo | Does anyone know if the latest debian 6 installer has support for the new Intel 350 NICs? |
| 15:19.28 | babilen | ← luckily not much of a PHP person |
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| 15:19.32 | somiaj | slikts: I have seen various people in here have very strange errors (and broken installs) due to dotdeb. I don't trust it because of that. |
| 15:19.36 | lapsusbrutus | My dmesg looks a lot like this, and got same kernel. http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg999100.html Should I worry about it? Had some heavy hangs of raid before, but after installing smartmontools I havent experienced any hangs. |
| 15:19.57 | slikts | somiaj: maybe I should switch to ubuntu-server |
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| 15:20.05 | rotschopf | hi there, i've got a pc where the /etc/resolv.conf isn't updated by dhcp... where could i look? (resolvconf is installed) |
| 15:20.31 | lapsusbrutus | [ 7.384727] mdadm: sending ioctl 90 to a partition! < lots of these |
| 15:20.36 | jelly | Teduardo: if it does not, try /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 15:20.54 | Teduardo | kmuto isn't really a replacement for the actual installer |
| 15:20.59 | jelly | Teduardo: do you have the pci-id of said NICs available? |
| 15:21.19 | somiaj | Teduardo: I'd check the debian wiki, but if it doesn't support that card by default you will probabaly be able to use the netinstall to put a base system on your machine, then you can grab a backported kernel/firmware or what is needed to get that card to work from packages.debian.org and get your card to work, then finish installing software. |
| 15:21.45 | Teduardo | somiaj: how can you netinstall if the NIC isn't in the netboot kernel? |
| 15:21.48 | jelly | Teduardo: it's the same installer, with updated kernel ie. drivers. What do you mean it's not really a replacement? |
| 15:22.11 | somiaj | Teduardo: the netinstall is a bit missleading. It has a base system (functional with a minimial set of tools), that can be installed with out the network |
| 15:22.13 | Teduardo | jelly: it doesn't seem to work for unattended pxe installs |
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| 15:22.46 | somiaj | Teduardo: the only part that is required for the net is when 'tasksel' is ran at the end to install additional software, just skip that step and rerun it once your network is working. |
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| 15:22.56 | slikts | how bad is ubuntu-server supposed to be? |
| 15:23.28 | jelly | Teduardo: can't you create the required tftp/pxe bits out of it? |
| 15:23.40 | Teduardo | slikts: alot of people like ubuntu because it moves much quicker |
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| 15:24.19 | Teduardo | jelly: the problem I had with it the last time is that you can't just take the kmuto files and put them in NFS and use that as the install media for some reason the files dont seem to be in the same places that debian-installer wants them to be |
| 15:24.30 | babilen | slikts: Is the procedure in "/msg dpkg ssb" that hard? |
| 15:25.00 | slikts | babilen: I don't find php-fpm in backports |
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| 15:25.30 | somiaj | slikts: I think having to upgrade your server every 6 months (and then deal with any bugs/issues assoicated with the upgrade) is to aggressive for a server |
| 15:25.41 | somiaj | slikts: they do have a lts release, but you may find versions to old in that too. |
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| 15:26.10 | somiaj | slikts: I trust debian stable/security better myself, and as babilen pointed out you can build your own backports if you need. |
| 15:26.21 | babilen | slikts: Yes, I mentioned that already. This is why I recommended <ssb> which allows you to backport it yourself. You might also be interested in libapache2-mod-php5 which is usable in squeeze. |
| 15:26.22 | mjt | usually people upgrade once fixes gets ready, which is _much_ more frequent than once half a year... :) |
| 15:26.25 | Teduardo | somiaj: ehhh they at least update the drivers/kernel in the installer when Intel launches completely new product cycles like they did this quarter |
| 15:26.52 | slikts | babilen: I don't use apache |
| 15:27.01 | babilen | slikts: What do you use? |
| 15:27.04 | slikts | babilen: nginx |
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| 15:27.25 | somiaj | Teduardo: I think you don't understand how a release works. And I just showed you a way you can use the debian netinstaller and then install backported kernel-firmware for newer hardware. It isn't that difficult if you have a usb drive to copy over a few debs and use dpkg -i to install them. |
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| 15:28.29 | somiaj | Teduardo: but yes when releases happen every 6 months, the installers do get updated to have the recent kernel/modules/drivers in the release installer every 6 months |
| 15:28.42 | slikts | babilen: I'm resistant to backporting it myself bacause I don't understand the implications |
| 15:28.54 | slikts | babilen: it's a lame thing to require users to do anyway |
| 15:29.07 | slikts | babilen: php-fpm is currently the best practice for running php |
| 15:29.21 | babilen | slikts: Would spawn-fcgi be an option? |
| 15:29.22 | somiaj | slikts: the implications really are actually less than installing from squeeze-backports or an unoffical source |
| 15:29.37 | slikts | babilen: it's not the same |
| 15:29.42 | babilen | ack |
| 15:30.05 | somiaj | slikts: at least building your own backport you know it is linked to the libs on your machine. Install packages from unoffical sources you have to worry about dependency issues. In all cases you most likely loose all security/bug support. |
| 15:30.05 | slikts | somiaj: where could I read about this? |
| 15:30.46 | somiaj | slikts: /msg dpkg ssbp (it really isn't that hard to compile a package in the cases squeeze meets all the dependencies, and babilen alreayd showed you that the versions from sid have build deps satisfied in squeeze. |
| 15:30.49 | babilen | slikts: Well, either backport php yourself or use a different distribution in that case. I would strongly recommend *not* to use unsupported packages from untrusted third-party repositories. The implications are more or less: *You* have to make sure that you backport new versions once they become avaiable in wheezy. |
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| 15:31.09 | slikts | somiaj: okay, thanks |
| 15:31.28 | babilen | slikts: But what do you find hard about <ssb> ? Which step is problematic? |
| 15:31.52 | somiaj | though yes backport from wheezy as opposed to sid if you can (you will have less build bugs and the likes due to a slightly longer maturity of a package) |
| 15:32.06 | babilen | slikts: Oh, and "s/wheezy/sid" in my penultimate message |
| 15:32.07 | slikts | babilen: compiling anything by yourself should not be required in 2012 |
| 15:32.07 | Teduardo | somiaj: i'm just not sure why they wouldn't have included the drivers which have been available since like november in the 6.0.4 installer |
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| 15:33.01 | somiaj | Teduardo: because the squeeze system is frozen. To ensure not adding unwanted bugs the only changes to the frozen system is bug/security fixes (not features) |
| 15:33.01 | babilen | slikts: And I am with somiaj and wheezy/sid there. It does, however, also mean that security fixes need longer as they won't be fixed in wheezy immediately as well. |
| 15:33.09 | slikts | babilen: I'm using linux because of its packages in the first place. if I was into uselessly compiling binaries I'd use *bsd |
| 15:33.44 | babilen | somiaj: NIC modules are frequently backported to .32 and included in point releases |
| 15:33.46 | somiaj | Teduardo: so the stable/frozen system only fixes the kernel for security it doesn't add a new kernel into the mix to ensure a very secure mature system (including an installer) |
| 15:34.15 | somiaj | Teduardo: again I would just use the kernel from backports if it isn't supported in the kernel |
| 15:34.18 | slikts | babilen: the dpkg bot could make a better case for making own backports if it provided a link to some in-depth reading |
| 15:34.38 | somiaj | babilen: ahh yea, I've only noticed a few added. |
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| 15:34.49 | babilen | slikts: I agree -- But your choice of distribution and service entails that you have to backport PHP yourself. You can either use a different services or a completely different platform, a different distribution or do what is necessary. |
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| 15:35.14 | babilen | slikts: I've just updated the dotdeb factoid and it now mentions <ssb> |
| 15:35.18 | somiaj | Teduardo: notice babilen comment to me, but again it isn't difficult to install a backported kernel after you install the base system, get your network working and continue on with installing the software. |
| 15:35.21 | slikts | for instance, what does it *actually* mean that I have to update my own backports by myself? how do I track when updates are available? etc. with regular apt-get I can just update and upgrade/dist-upgrade |
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| 15:36.08 | somiaj | slikts: you have to actually follow the package, packages in wheezy/sid are updated regurally. If you are mainly intersted in security updates (which is probabaly the case) subscribe to the DSA |
| 15:36.12 | babilen | Teduardo: You can also use an installer from kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) which comes with firmware and a 3.2 kernel. After the installation you can then switch to the recent kernel in backports. "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
| 15:36.24 | slikts | somiaj: no thanks |
| 15:36.37 | slikts | so a different distro it is |
| 15:36.38 | somiaj | though if you are running a debian server you should probabaly be subscribed to the DSA mailing list anyways |
| 15:37.01 | somiaj | well you should subscribe to that distros security advisory list as well |
| 15:37.02 | slikts | somiaj: at most I would read a rss feed, not a stupid mailing list |
| 15:37.06 | babilen | slikts: I am also mildly surprised that php5 is not yet available in the official debian backports. You might want to ask the Debian PHP maintainer about that or even backport it (and maintain) it yourself. |
| 15:37.13 | slikts | and I was expecting to use cron-apt for updates |
| 15:37.30 | babilen | ugh |
| 15:37.55 | babilen | slikts: Ok. I am happy that we clarified this. Good luck with your website and may you have a nice day. |
| 15:38.12 | slikts | you too, thanks for the help |
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| 15:39.04 | szonek | i have resized HDD for one VM, now i want to resize the root partition and then extend FS. right now i have mounted the HDD on a different VM but don't know how to resize it? |
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| 15:39.15 | szonek | i've installed parted but it warns me about resizeing FS with it (it's deprecated) |
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| 15:39.20 | szonek | i want to: 1) move SWAP to the end of HDD, 2) grow root partition |
| 15:40.01 | mjt | parted in debian is quite old |
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| 15:41.09 | babilen | slikts: Oh -- php5.4 is in the NEW queue of backports and will appear in squeeze-backports shortly. http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html |
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| 15:41.49 | askhader | Has anyone here successfully gotten a version of icedove >10 to run on squeeze? |
| 15:42.12 | [HaldriK] | Hi, is possible remove packages of a specific repository? |
| 15:42.16 | somiaj | askhader: are the icedove packages part of mozilla.debian.net? |
| 15:42.19 | [HaldriK] | installed packages |
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| 15:42.51 | askhader | somiaj: Which ones? |
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| 15:43.56 | babilen | slikts: You can, therefore, use Debian without hesitation and you will have officially supported packages. |
| 15:43.59 | somiaj | askhader: mozilla.debian.net contains updated versions of iceweasel, but I don't use it so I don't know if it also contains say iceape and icedove as well |
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| 15:45.03 | askhader | somiaj: I think so. |
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| 15:45.34 | somiaj | askhader: again that is where I would look for this newer version of icedove for squeeze you requested. |
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| 15:45.59 | askhader | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/icedove |
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| 15:46.24 | somiaj | [HaldriK]: you can't have the same package from two different repos installed. Look at 'apt-cache policy pkgname' -- you can tell dpkg to install that package from a paticular repo or just remove it |
| 15:46.40 | somiaj | [HaldriK]: you can then use pinning/package holding to keep it from updating to the other repo |
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| 15:49.35 | [HaldriK] | somiaj: the problem is, I don't know which packages are installed of the debian-multimedia repository |
| 15:49.52 | babilen | slikts: It will probably take a few days/hours until the packages are accepted into backports. They have to be approved manually as they are completely new ... |
| 15:49.56 | somiaj | [HaldriK]: aptitude search can help you figure that out |
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| 15:50.10 | somiaj | [HaldriK]: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 15:50.19 | karlpinc | [HaldriK]: The faq at backports.debian.org has a command that will tell you what's installed from backports. Should work for dmm too. |
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| 15:50.42 | babilen | !tell [HaldriK] about dmm list |
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| 15:51.28 | somiaj | aptitidue search ~i~!?origin(debian) |
| 15:51.34 | [HaldriK] | ok karlpinc thanks |
| 15:51.36 | somiaj | that should give you every package not from the debian repo you have installed |
| 15:52.11 | [HaldriK] | somiaj: could you give me an example? |
| 15:52.40 | somiaj | what do you mean by example? |
| 15:52.50 | karlpinc | [HaldriK]: the factoid babilen sent you has the exact command |
| 15:53.07 | [HaldriK] | ok karlpinc |
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| 15:54.33 | [HaldriK] | thanks everybody |
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| 15:55.40 | born2troll | am i allowed to speak again here? |
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| 15:56.28 | born2troll | yes! guys i need help! everytime my pc starts it tells me "broken or dublicate block" i do fsck -r but its just comeing again and again! help =( |
| 15:56.31 | themill | glares at born2troll |
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| 15:57.58 | OldParr | to acces rescue mode it is asking for the root filesystem there are two candidates /dev/sda3 /dev/sda5 how do i pick the correct one ? |
| 15:58.01 | [HaldriK] | and, how I can get the name of a repository |
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| 15:58.12 | [HaldriK] | karlpinc: |
| 15:58.33 | born2troll | are you guys ignoreing me or dont you know how to help? |
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| 15:59.36 | tremon | born2troll: filesystem errors are like black magic. If the first spell doesn't work, nobody will be able to tell you how to solve it |
| 15:59.55 | jelly | born2troll: changing the nickname might improve the odds of you getting an answer |
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| 16:00.32 | born2troll | jelly i cant... if i do i cant administrate my channel anymore ( #trollcave ) |
| 16:00.36 | somiaj | [HaldriK]: you really shouldn't be mixing that many repos that it is an issue, but run 'apt-cache policy' that will list all repos you have enabled (also check /etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 16:01.46 | born2troll | fsck tells me "clean, 484532/30113792 files 45003050/120448256 blocks" |
| 16:02.16 | jelly | born2troll: what is the mountpoint usually used for said filesystem? |
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| 16:03.26 | born2troll | jelly its my partition with the OS so "/" i think. its on /dev/sdb1 i think |
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| 16:04.19 | jelly | born2troll: boot a livecd or liveusb with a recent fsck, like grml.org, and do a fsck -C -f /dev/whatever from there |
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| 16:05.35 | born2troll | jelly, if i try to start it goes in a repair mode and i have to enter my root password. Does this mode do it too? |
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| 16:06.15 | jelly | born2troll: no, I can categorically say that booting GRML won't ask you for your root password of the OS installed on the HDD |
| 16:06.33 | mjt | heh |
| 16:07.24 | born2troll | jelly, you missunderstood me. not grml... my debian has some kind of emergancy repair mode... |
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| 16:08.11 | tremon | born2troll: that's called emergency root shell |
| 16:08.19 | OldParr | how do i recover grub from rescue ? |
| 16:08.44 | jelly | born2troll: I suggest not to use the boot rescue mode of the current system, but a livecd instead. |
| 16:08.53 | tremon | OldParr: iirc, it's set root=(hdN.M) , then insmod normal |
| 16:09.03 | somiaj | OldParr: you can mount your root file system somewhere (say /target) and then proc and dev inside, chroot and run 'grub-install device' |
| 16:09.09 | born2troll | got it |
| 16:09.25 | somiaj | OldParr: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 16:10.05 | somiaj | OldParr: that is another method as well on the wiki |
| 16:10.19 | OldParr | jelly: i am on a rescue live CD |
| 16:10.27 | born2troll | thx for the help... will be back soon (exept your advice is a trolltrap :P) |
| 16:11.15 | jelly | OldParr: I did not follow your story, but born2troll's, and was addressing him. Apologies for any misunderstanding. |
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| 16:12.14 | babilen | !tell OldParr -about fixmbr |
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| 16:15.37 | OldParr | how do i know which of them is my root filesystem, there are 2 partitions that look like a root filesystem |
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| 16:17.04 | devios | babilen: system 2 update complete :-) |
| 16:17.09 | somiaj | OldParr: mount one, and check out its contents |
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| 16:19.07 | babilen | devios: yay :) |
| 16:19.17 | jelly | [HaldriK]: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 16:19.18 | babilen | !tell [HaldriK] about lenny sources.list |
| 16:19.24 | jelly | HA! |
| 16:19.38 | OldParr | somiaj: i like that supergrub i am going to install it on the live |
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| 16:25.32 | ghostlin1s | I installed ruby1.9.3 via apt-get but I'm still seeing version 1.8.7 when I run ruby -v. Anyone ran into similar issues? |
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| 16:26.01 | spyvsspy | can I have redundant entries in /etc/hosts |
| 16:26.09 | spyvsspy | so a domain can point to 2 different IPs? |
| 16:26.56 | themill | ghostlin1s: it will be /usr/bin/ruby1.9.3 (you can use "dpkg -S grep bin/" to see commands installed by a package) |
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| 16:29.42 | ghostlin1s | themill: damn thanks it's right there indeed. now I gotta check my path I guess and find out why it's using the old Ruby think I might have to rename the bin then? |
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| 16:30.27 | Keith-BlindUser | This is amazing. Just installed a Debian6 box here, and everything is working. Whent to install some packages like Bind9, etc, and everything just automaticly works! Awesome job folks. |
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| 16:31.24 | themill | ghostlin1s: I wouldn't recommend changing anything in /usr/bin like that. |
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| 16:32.45 | dokma | in sources.list I use squeeze and wheezy should I use APT::Default-Release "stable" or APT::Default-Release "sqeeze" ??? |
| 16:33.11 | dokma | trying to install one pkg from testing and added wheezy sources but not aptitude reports new packages to update |
| 16:33.23 | dokma | but now aptitude reports ... |
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| 16:33.35 | themill | "neither" and "you're doing it all wrong" are the words that come to mind |
| 16:33.48 | dokma | themill: elaborate that a bit |
| 16:34.38 | themill | !bobbitt |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Squeeze, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 16:35.17 | dokma | themill: trying to say I shouldn't mix? |
| 16:35.27 | themill | quite... it's going to end in tears |
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| 16:38.49 | dokma | themill: I once tricked death by downloading the source of the package, replacing the sources with new stuff and recompiling it back |
| 16:38.54 | dokma | themill: would you recommend that? |
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| 16:49.10 | kryl | do u know if ipset is compatible with squeeze ? |
| 16:49.29 | kryl | Kernel module is not loaded in, cannot verify kernel version. |
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| 16:54.15 | nejucomo | On wheezy when I install a linux-headers-2.6 package, this depends on linux-headers-3.2… |
| 16:54.25 | nejucomo | Are those headers backwards compatible? |
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| 16:56.46 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm wanting to install qbittorrent-nox but noticed it is quite out dated. Is there a way to update it or is a manual install of qBittorrent headless the way to go? |
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| 16:57.20 | Iridos | nejucomo, no, but linux-headers-2.6 is just a metapackage, just as linux-image-2.6 is |
| 16:57.40 | Iridos | linux-image-2.6 also depends on a 3.2 kernel in that repo |
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| 16:58.03 | Iridos | judd, versions qbittorrent-nox |
| 16:58.05 | judd | Package: qbittorrent-nox on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.11-1; wheezy: 2.9.5-1; sid: 2.9.7-1 |
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| 16:58.44 | nejucomo | Hrm. So let me phrase it a different way: grub and uname -a both indicate I'm running linux 2.6.32. How can I install the headers for this kernel in order to build modules for it? |
| 16:58.58 | rasusto | hello all, I'm setting up a headless media server. I install alsa and pulse but there is a strange crackling noise that comes through the left channel. Any ideas? |
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| 17:02.23 | tremon | nejucomo: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:02.56 | tremon | rasusto: try a different speaker or cable |
| 17:03.50 | Iridos | TheWarden, you can try to backport it, but it seems you also need libtorrent-rasterbar-dev from wheezy for building it on squeeze... i.e. you'd need to backport that package as well, perhaps other ones... dunno how difficult that gets. for the procedure /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:03.58 | rasusto | tremon: I beleive the issue is software because if I use something like mplayer directly into alsa I don't have the problem. Other programs do, however |
| 17:04.45 | tremon | rasusto: then you'd need to know which audio device mplayer is using (look for AO: [output-dev]) |
| 17:05.04 | TheWarden | Iridos: ahh well then I think it maybe best I just install it from source. It should be that hard to do anyways. Just concerned about it conflicting with HTTPD. |
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| 17:06.06 | Iridos | TheWarden, backporting from wheezy is also installing from source... only automated. You should hit the same problems if you compile from source without the debian packaging tools |
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| 17:06.21 | nejucomo | tremon: When I run that I see "Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686" although I have installed and booted linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:06.27 | born2troll | thx guys worked *troll happy* |
| 17:06.37 | rasusto | AO: [alsa] when I don't have the problem. The program I am interested in is mpd. I have it configured to use alsa but it has the problem. Is it possible there are different options to pass to alsa? |
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| 17:07.02 | nejucomo | It's distressing that I can install and boot a kernel but cannot install the headers for it. Should I file a bug somewhere? |
| 17:07.21 | tremon | ,versions linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:07.22 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 17:07.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.13-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 17:07.24 | judd | Package: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze: 2.6.32-41; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-41squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-42 |
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| 17:08.01 | tremon | nejucomo: did you try to do an upgrade to testing? |
| 17:08.57 | nejucomo | Yes, I believe so. I edited source.list to insert "wheezy" everywhere and did a dist-upgrade a while ago. |
| 17:08.59 | Iridos | nejucomo, actually I don't know why your machine shouldn't be able to locate linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:09.02 | nejucomo | Everything else has worked so far. |
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| 17:09.26 | nejucomo | I also had upgraded to a new kernel image, but today I'm trying a kernel downgrade to use a proprietary module. |
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| 17:10.18 | tremon | nejucomo: kernel 2.6.32 is only available in squeeze. You need to put the squeeze those lines back in sources.list if you want to install that kernel or its headers |
| 17:10.44 | nejucomo | Hm, okay. |
| 17:10.47 | nejucomo | Thanks. |
| 17:10.58 | Iridos | aah |
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| 17:11.24 | Iridos | nejucomo, you shouldn't have done that to run a stable system... |
| 17:11.27 | tremon | rasusto: it's possible that mpd is using a different samplerate than mplayer, and the conversion is broken. Don't know enough to help you with that, though. Maybe there is a #alsa channel? |
| 17:11.43 | Iridos | <- bit slow.. tired |
| 17:11.53 | nejucomo | Iridos: Is there a different way to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 17:12.22 | born2troll | jelly thx for help it worked |
| 17:12.52 | rasusto | tremon: thanks anyway. I'll try there and the mpd channel |
| 17:13.18 | Iridos | nejucomo, no. But if you just wanted a newer kernel, you should have installed the kernel from backports into squeeze |
| 17:13.34 | nejucomo | Is it possible to "dist downgrade" back to squeeze? |
| 17:14.00 | tremon | nejucomo: it's possible, but not supported. Reinstall will save you a lot of headaches |
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| 17:14.36 | kyconquers | I'm trying to use uupdate to update a package and it keeps asking "Are you in the top directory of the source tree?" I unpack a tgz of the newest version of the lib, and am in the top directory of that. |
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| 17:15.58 | tremon | kyconquers: try in the top directory of the debian sources |
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| 17:16.26 | kyconquers | tremon, what do you mean? |
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| 17:16.48 | spersaud | !wheezy |
| 17:16.49 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:16.49 | tremon | kyconquers: for uupdate, you need two trees: the latest debian build and the new sources |
| 17:17.01 | spersaud | testing |
| 17:17.03 | spersaud | !testing |
| 17:17.04 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 17:17.20 | spersaud | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:17.23 | tremon | spersaud: you can have private conversations with dpkg, you know |
| 17:17.34 | born2troll | spersaud, why are you allowed to !wheeze and im not? =/ |
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| 17:18.07 | spersaud | born2troll: I am installing it on my laptop |
| 17:18.17 | spersaud | my desktop will only run stable |
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| 17:19.35 | kyconquers | tremon, I ran apt-get source, and wget and they gave me five files: a .gz .dsc .orig .tar.gz of the old version and a .tgz from the new one |
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| 17:20.25 | tremon | kyconquers: the new one can't have come from apt-get, and you should have a directory as well |
| 17:20.46 | themill | spersaud: please /msg dpkg |
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| 17:21.04 | spersaud | Ian Murdock is a smart guy man, he started debian before he even went to college |
| 17:21.14 | spersaud | anyone know what his IQ is ? |
| 17:21.21 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 17:21.29 | kyconquers | tremon, any clue as to what it would look like? |
| 17:21.57 | tremon | kyconquers: try packagename-version/ |
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| 17:23.05 | kyconquers | tremon, there is a directory like that but that is from me unpacking the tgz |
| 17:24.16 | tremon | kyconquers: pastebin the output of your apt-get source command |
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| 17:25.57 | kyconquers | http://pastebin.com/DyTw2Yp2 |
| 17:26.28 | tremon | dpkg-source: info: extracting openldap in openldap-2.4.23 |
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| 17:26.37 | foxtrot9 | how would you find open ports on a server besides nmap, lsof, and netcat? |
| 17:26.49 | mjt | netstat? |
| 17:26.55 | tremon | kyconquers: there's the top-level directory of debian source archive |
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| 17:26.59 | mjt | that's actually the first thing to try.. |
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| 17:27.06 | kyconquers | tremon, ok I see in and am in openldap-2.4.23 |
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| 17:28.13 | spersaud | themill: you are quite ridiculous |
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| 17:28.35 | spersaud | themill: how dare you pick on me you geeky fella |
| 17:28.50 | tremon | kyconquers: as the theory goes, you should be able to run uupdate from that directory by telling it the path to the new archive |
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| 17:29.12 | sam002 | You see linux on atmega? http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit |
| 17:29.32 | themill | spersaud: this is a user support channel. Please try to keep on topic. |
| 17:29.42 | spersaud | themill: ok |
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| 17:29.51 | kyconquers | i did it created a openldap-2.4.30 do I go in ther and run "./configure && make && make install"? |
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| 17:29.56 | spersaud | themill: I can only try ... no one is saying anything though |
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| 17:30.04 | themill | spersaud: that's a good thing |
| 17:30.23 | tremon | kyconquers: presumably, you run debuild in that directory |
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| 17:31.11 | tremon | that directory -> the new source tree |
| 17:31.43 | tremon | actually prefers dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 17:35.41 | kyconquers | tremon, it says "dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting." is there a way to install the dependencies? |
| 17:35.55 | tremon | kyconquers: apt-get build-dep iirc |
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| 17:43.00 | woshty | why dont i see any modules listed in modconf, running wheezy and 3.2something |
| 17:43.00 | kyconquers | tremon, It errored out, here are the last lines http://pastebin.com/Xq0yWnA7 |
| 17:44.23 | themill | kyconquers: manually reworking the patches is a non-trivial exercie. You need to look at each one and work out if it still applies and how it should be changed for the new version |
| 17:44.59 | tremon | kyconquers: in debian/patches are the specific patches. They may need to be modified for the new version. You can disable them by editing debian/patch/series, but like themill says, at this point you're likely going to need a dev channel |
| 17:45.26 | kyconquers | ok thanks tremon and themill |
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| 17:47.41 | boudiccas | whats the program to change the time, i thought it was ntpd but apt-get cant find it, please? |
| 17:47.50 | valdyn | !ntp |
| 17:47.50 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 17:51.13 | woshty | is there no modconf in wheezy? |
| 17:52.32 | woshty | apparently there is not |
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| 17:56.41 | lapsusbrutus | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/924455/comments/4 This happened to me when changing to 3.2.0-2... This kernel is totally unusable for my nas |
| 17:56.48 | Lns | boudiccas, 'date' changes time manually - man date. |
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| 17:57.52 | Danic | I need to give service www-data permission to create files in folder /var/www/web2. But it must not be able to delete/move/rename that folder. What permissions do I have to set on that folder? |
| 17:57.53 | tremon | lapsusbrutus: I can see two reasons why you're stuck with it: 1) edubuntu and this is a debian channel, 2) tainted kernel |
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| 17:58.33 | Sazpaimon | is it possible to get the kernel commandline without /proc? |
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| 17:59.50 | lapsusbrutus | tremon: Im on debian wheezy |
| 18:00.25 | lapsusbrutus | looking for clues on web, and found people with same problem |
| 18:00.36 | tremon | lapsusbrutus: still leaves 2) though, unless your kernel isn't tainted |
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| 18:01.11 | xand | Danic: I don't think that is possible to do with linux filesystems |
| 18:01.12 | tremon | lapsusbrutus: paste'ing your own dmesg is much more helpful |
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| 18:01.36 | xand | Danic: oh, er yes it is |
| 18:01.40 | tremon | xand: actually, it's the default. u+w on . but u-w on .. |
| 18:01.43 | xand | I thought you meant the contents |
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| 18:02.00 | xand | set the same permissions that /tmp has |
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| 18:07.12 | Danic | tremon, true. :) |
| 18:07.54 | Danic | xand, not quite the solution. I dont want to let "other" read and write that directory |
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| 18:09.25 | tremon | mode 1770 would still do the trick, but it's very unconventional :) |
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| 18:12.04 | guardian | hi |
| 18:12.25 | tremon | lapsusbrutus: looks like filesystem corruption (ext4 alloc failure during mount). what does fsck say? |
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| 18:13.12 | guardian | guys, i'm trying to learn bind, reading http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 — when configuring a reverse zone, shouldn't it be zone "168.192.in-addr.arpa" { instead of zone "0.168.192.in-addr.arpa" { |
| 18:13.12 | guardian | ??? in my case reverse lookup works only if i drop the leading "0." in the named.conf.local configuration file. any hint please? |
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| 18:13.49 | tremon | guardian: depends on the size of your zone. 168.192 is a /16 netmask, 0.168.192 is a /24 |
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| 18:15.11 | xand | Danic: yeah chgrp it to www-data's group. |
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| 18:15.52 | Danic | Yep, got it! Thanks. I did that and chmod g+w |
| 18:15.54 | xand | wonders if that would allow renaming etc |
| 18:16.14 | guardian | i just have a single ip 192.168.0.58 (where 192.168.0. is something else but that works for the sake of the example) |
| 18:16.21 | Danic | dont think so. renaming is a write operation. |
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| 18:17.28 | Danic | guardian, it will nto work for the sake of the example. |
| 18:17.38 | Danic | You need to understand networking. |
| 18:18.01 | tremon | guardian: iirc, the reverse lookup zone must match your actual netmask |
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| 18:19.36 | guardian | reading the wiki, i thought it means db.example.com.inv is used to do reverse lookup for any 192.168.0.x ip |
| 18:19.39 | guardian | isn't it the case? |
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| 18:20.40 | tremon | guardian: that's correct |
| 18:21.44 | tremon | but the example will only return information for 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2, the rest will return NXDOMAIN |
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| 18:21.51 | Danic | sure |
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| 18:21.57 | guardian | yeah well |
| 18:22.00 | guardian | so i followed that example |
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| 18:26.16 | Danic | you also should not get any results if you drop the leading zero *g* wierd |
| 18:27.45 | guardian | well |
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| 18:30.55 | guardian | indeed |
| 18:31.00 | guardian | written that way |
| 18:31.02 | guardian | 192.168.0.x |
| 18:31.22 | guardian | a.b.c.x |
| 18:31.48 | guardian | shows why i'm dumb to put 0.c.b.a.in-addr.arpa |
| 18:31.53 | guardian | thank you for caring :) |
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| 18:35.44 | Danic | :). But still, that notation depends on your range. If it goes from a.b.0.0 to a.b.255.255 (256*256-2) ip addresses, then you write b.a.in-addr.arpa. |
| 18:36.03 | Danic | ... as a hint |
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| 18:37.05 | sp4rc | guys i am running debian squeeze on amd64. i can't get my grub to show this nice splasscreen and to come up with some decent resolution |
| 18:37.59 | sp4rc | how do you set the splashconfiguration inside of /etc/default/grub? |
| 18:38.18 | sp4rc | i should not edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually right? |
| 18:38.46 | sp4rc | i just don't see why on my laptop it's working fine (having exactly the same /etc/default/grub file) |
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| 18:45.33 | kyconquers | i don't see a #debian-package channel is there another channel more appropriate for creating a debian package? |
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| 18:47.37 | [1]piklu | suggest me a good debian VPS |
| 18:47.40 | [1]piklu | anyone plz |
| 18:47.42 | tremon | kyconquers: tried? #debian-next on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 18:47.55 | tremon | notes that one ? should have been enough |
| 18:48.10 | karlpinc | kyconquers: #debian-mentors on irc.otfc.net it's for debian developers. |
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| 18:49.47 | kyconquers | tremon, debian-next is invite only |
| 18:49.53 | teodor | watch here http://sportgod-sportgod.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:50.14 | kyconquers | karlpinc, there are only 3 people in that channel. |
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| 18:50.53 | piklu | hi guys |
| 18:51.26 | ansgar | kyconquers: OFTC, not freenode. |
| 18:51.46 | kyconquers | ansgar, thanks |
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| 18:53.38 | jwayne | i just got linode (quit slicehost) ... seems alright for debian |
| 18:53.56 | piklu | costly |
| 18:54.04 | jwayne | reviews are good for people not looking for a powerhouse.. (20$/month) |
| 18:54.30 | piklu | hmmm |
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| 18:56.03 | Woet | why doesn't http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 mention anything about native static ipv6? |
| 18:56.24 | cassavuota | jwayne: expensive compared to hetzner |
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| 18:57.23 | cassavuota | 8 EUR/month |
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| 18:59.44 | jwayne | interesting, xen? |
| 19:00.28 | HeXiLeD | !dpkg chroot |
| 19:00.28 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system |
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| 19:01.25 | jwayne | nice, teksavvy ;p |
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| 19:01.50 | HeXiLeD | is this the proper chroot way to recover a install ? |
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| 19:02.37 | tremon | HeXiLeD: it's part of it, yes |
| 19:02.48 | valdyn | Woet: it does mention it |
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| 19:03.04 | Woet | valdyn: "You can also use the "static" method in /etc/network/interfaces to set up addresses manually.", that's it |
| 19:03.12 | Woet | valdyn: the other methods have examples and much more documentation |
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| 19:04.54 | Dagger2 | Woet: there's an example of static config in the 6to4 section, and it's documented in `man interfaces` |
| 19:05.19 | valdyn | Woet: that howto is not very useful to the ipv6 "beginner" anyway, feel free to improve that |
| 19:05.28 | Woet | valdyn: will do |
| 19:05.32 | Woet | Dagger2: 6to4 is not native static ipv6 |
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| 19:06.40 | Dagger2 | Woet: no, but the format of the "inet static" stanza is the same regardless of whether the IPs used are 6to4 or native |
| 19:06.56 | Woet | Dagger2: true, but people who know that wont read the wiki either way :) |
| 19:07.25 | dvs | jwayne: you talkin to me? |
| 19:07.50 | HeXiLeD | i am trying to recover a remote system that does not boot. i am able to chroot and now i see that the problem might be the bootloader. i see grub and lilo files there but how do i know which one is actually being used ? re-install one of them ? |
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| 19:08.04 | jwayne | just a remark, using your service (assuming you're a tech) |
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| 19:09.56 | Dagger2 | Woet: apparently the page is immutable, which might hinder efforts to make it more useful :( |
| 19:10.02 | Woet | Dagger2: hmm |
| 19:10.19 | tremon | HeXiLeD: file -s /dev/blkdev might tell you which bootloader is installed in the mbr |
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| 19:10.33 | OldParr | i found the wiki is wrong in the part of recovering grub after windows installing |
| 19:10.44 | tremon | HeXiLeD: having both lilo and grub installed is a disaster waiting to happen |
| 19:11.29 | themill | Dagger2, Woet: you need to log in |
| 19:11.30 | HeXiLeD | yes i see |
| 19:11.40 | HeXiLeD | /dev/blkdev: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/blkdev' (No such file or directory) |
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| 19:12.00 | white_magic | is there any way to extract a debian package such that the symlinks are created during extraction as well? |
| 19:12.13 | valdyn | HeXiLeD: blkdev is a placeholder for your block device, not a name |
| 19:12.31 | klync | i don't know where else to ask, but does anyone know of a backbone outage somewhere between miami and the bahamas? or a good channel to ask in? |
| 19:12.49 | OldParr | the main way of recovery linux is by means of the instalation media |
| 19:12.56 | HeXiLeD | sorry you are correct. |
| 19:12.58 | Dagger2 | themill: it clearly says "Immutable Page", not "Immutable for you" or anything that hints that its status might depend on mine :\ |
| 19:12.59 | HeXiLeD | needs some sleep |
| 19:13.02 | white_magic | why do you need to know? you seem to have internet, klync |
| 19:13.12 | Dagger2 | ... and the Create Account page is hanging on form submit |
| 19:13.14 | klync | white_magic: thanks for the info, white_magic |
| 19:13.15 | themill | Dagger2: reportbug www.debian.org |
| 19:13.26 | white_magic | klync: no problem. I cannot say anymore because it's classified |
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| 19:14.44 | klync | white_magic: :P I was going to reply something about plausible deniability, but i'm already so far OT for this fine channel |
| 19:15.15 | white_magic | :D |
| 19:15.34 | OldParr | themill: "reportbug --file filename" will write a file to disk that you can send to debian |
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| 19:16.16 | white_magic | maybe the chinese launched a cybernuke onto our backbones |
| 19:16.25 | white_magic | or maybe i have already said too much.. |
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| 19:17.35 | themill | wonders why OldParr thinks he cares |
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| 19:18.42 | piklu | anyone heard abt anonymous rumour of the infamous DNS root attack |
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| 19:19.31 | klync | piklu: yes, but i don't believe it's remotely possible. ( no pun intended) |
| 19:19.45 | klync | piklu: http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/3184/cyber-crime/anonymous-dns-amplification-attacks-for-operation-global-blackout.html |
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| 19:23.18 | white_magic | Some people (anon) just like to watch the world burn... |
| 19:23.24 | withheld | Is using debian with btrfs really something you can manage to do without a lot of problems currently? |
| 19:23.29 | white_magic | i bet they'll enjoy typing out ipv6 addresses when they kill DNS |
| 19:23.55 | withheld | As the root partition, that is |
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| 19:28.49 | Porto | Hello! |
| 19:28.50 | Porto | :) |
| 19:29.01 | Porto | i upgrade my kernel from bakcports |
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| 19:29.13 | dvs | *gasp* |
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| 19:29.16 | Porto | and at moment appears to upgrade the kernel again to 2.6 |
| 19:29.26 | dvs | !tell Porto about enter |
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| 19:29.48 | Porto | sorry dvs:) |
| 19:30.37 | kleanchap | I have updated my bios time to the local time. Why is my Debian time showing 2 hours ahead? Is there anyway to change it to the bios time? |
| 19:31.02 | dvs | kleanchap: edit the /etc/default/rc.S file to say "UTC=no" |
| 19:31.20 | kevlarman | kleanchap: or better yet set your bios back to utc |
| 19:31.20 | kleanchap | dvs, Thnx! |
| 19:31.21 | valdyn | kleanchap: why would you set your bios time to local time? |
| 19:31.22 | Porto | i upgrade my kernel from bakcports, and at moment appears to upgrade the kernel again to 2.6 |
| 19:31.35 | Porto | anyone can help ? |
| 19:31.54 | kevlarman | kleanchap: you can make windows understand that the hardware clock is utc if that's what you're wroried about |
| 19:31.59 | kevlarman | it's a far better solution |
| 19:32.02 | valdyn | withheld: works fine, usually |
| 19:32.19 | kleanchap | Is UTC == GMT? |
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| 19:32.41 | valdyn | kleanchap: no, but its a good enough aproxximiation |
| 19:32.42 | kevlarman | kleanchap: GMT has daylight savings, UTC doesn't |
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| 19:33.06 | kevlarman | kleanchap: all timezones are represented as offsets from utc |
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| 19:33.38 | themill | kevlarman: no, GMT does not have daylight savings. |
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| 19:34.07 | kevlarman | themill: then it's badly named :P |
| 19:34.10 | kleanchap | I want my computer to boot up at 2 PM and shutdown at 4 PM. I did setup in the bios to start at 14:00 but the computer started at 16:00 (4 PM) |
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| 19:34.46 | kleanchap | So I changed the current time to the local time in the bios. |
| 19:35.27 | peterius | I uninstalled the xorg package and it secretly removed gnome 3? is that supposed to happen? |
| 19:35.29 | themill | kevlarman: no, you've just misunderstood the name. |
| 19:35.44 | valdyn | peterius: no, but it did not do that secretly, so thats ok |
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| 19:36.01 | peterius | is gnome 3 no longer part of debian testing? |
| 19:36.01 | withheld | Um, I'm manually partitioning, how big should /boot be? |
| 19:36.20 | valdyn | withheld: why have a seperate /boot at all? |
| 19:36.33 | withheld | Eh..... |
| 19:36.37 | kevlarman | withheld: i usually set it to ~100mb |
| 19:36.43 | kevlarman | that's probably extreme overkill |
| 19:36.49 | dvs | that's huge! |
| 19:37.00 | peterius | does anyone know why removing xorg might remove gnome 3? or if debian testing no longer has gnome 3 or something? |
| 19:37.07 | kevlarman | dvs: well, if you keep lots of kernel images around it makes a bit more sense |
| 19:37.19 | withheld | peterius, if you uninstall xorg it's going to remove gnome3 |
| 19:37.31 | peterius | withheld, that wasn't in the list of dependencies, it said it was a meta package? |
| 19:37.49 | kleanchap | brb |
| 19:37.50 | peterius | withheld, is it just a bug with aptitude? |
| 19:37.51 | kevlarman | peterius: gnome depends on xorg for obvious reasons |
| 19:38.00 | valdyn | gnome does *not* depend on xorg |
| 19:38.00 | withheld | I removed Xorg from a system back on lenny, it's always removed my DE's |
| 19:38.09 | valdyn | can we please stick to facts |
| 19:38.17 | peterius | well for some reason, I started up with gnome 2, instead of gnome 3 |
| 19:38.30 | peterius | and the only thing I did was remove the xorg meta package, so like I said, if this is a debian testing change, that's what I'm asking |
| 19:38.57 | valdyn | peterius: maybe you just think it switched to gnome 2 but it really is the fallback mode of gnome3 ? |
| 19:39.10 | peterius | that's possible |
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| 19:39.22 | seblabel | hey |
| 19:39.35 | seblabel | i'm installating debian on an old laptop |
| 19:39.36 | peterius | I wish I knew why, but I guess I'll just have to mess with it a bunch |
| 19:39.49 | seblabel | i used the expert install |
| 19:39.50 | devios | babilen: was trying to get fully updated to squeeze on another system, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686 - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - any clue? |
| 19:39.52 | valdyn | peterius: read your dpkg.log file. You will see there what else got removed beyond xorg |
| 19:39.55 | valdyn | peterius: if anything |
| 19:40.01 | valdyn | peterius: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:40.11 | seblabel | and i want to use only openbox on it |
| 19:40.12 | piklu | can someone tell me a cheap hosting dedicated server |
| 19:40.48 | seblabel | should i take off the DE from the appli choice duting the install ? |
| 19:40.49 | devios | piklu: leaseweb, ovh |
| 19:40.59 | peterius | yeah I did but its... its got to be something gnome 3 depends on that it shouldn't, whatever, I'll reinstall xorg and see if that fixes it, thanks |
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| 19:41.52 | valdyn | seblabel: up to you |
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| 19:41.59 | bent_screwdriver | anyone know a good VPN project that would be compatible with iPads (PPTP or L2TP)? We use openvpn for road warriors which won't work with iPads, without jailbreaking which is not an option. |
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| 19:42.50 | valdyn | bent_screwdriver: so whats wrong with pptpd ? |
| 19:43.06 | seblabel | someone know if ndiswrapper is included in debian stable 6.04 cd 1 ? |
| 19:44.04 | daemonkeeper | seblabel: http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 19:44.21 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
| 19:44.22 | bent_screwdriver | maybe nothing. I'll research it and see if it meets the needs. Right now we authenticate with certs and user logins (pam module) so we have dual authentication. Would that be possible with pptpd? or at least certs? |
| 19:45.04 | cassavuota | piklu: hetzner.de |
| 19:45.15 | valdyn | bent_screwdriver: if you dont want to lose security you cant use pptp |
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| 19:46.20 | bent_screwdriver | valdyn: whys that? less secure, vulnerable, etc? |
| 19:46.50 | dvs | devios: Did you update before doing the install? |
| 19:47.02 | seblabel | daemonkeeper: great !! |
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| 19:47.07 | devios | dvs: ya |
| 19:47.09 | seblabel | thanks for this! |
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| 19:51.08 | tarzeau | dpkg eat apt |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | eats apt, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 19:51.13 | tarzeau | haha it still works |
| 19:51.19 | dvs | O_O |
| 19:51.23 | dvs | runs |
| 19:51.32 | seblabel | so, i will need the .deb |
| 19:51.39 | seblabel | for ndiswrapper |
| 19:51.41 | jelly-home | !tarzeausmite tarzeau |
| 19:51.51 | seblabel | cause i don't want to burn an other CD |
| 19:51.59 | jelly-home | ... you got off easy for now, mister |
| 19:52.37 | tarzeau | damn, why am i here, it's friday i should go out |
| 19:52.47 | Porto | :D |
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| 19:54.05 | tarzeau | !tarzeau |
| 19:54.05 | dpkg | hmm... tarzeau is http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 19:54.06 | Porto | heya anyone can help, i just upgrade my kernel from backports, when i boot i do apt-get autoremove, and now appears to update the kernel again but the kernel from stable 2.6. anyone helps? |
| 19:54.12 | tarzeau | dpkg forget tarzeau |
| 19:54.12 | dpkg | i forgot tarzeau, tarzeau |
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| 19:54.35 | kyconquers | so I was just told that this would be the channel for an equivs question? |
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| 19:54.54 | tarzeau | kyconquers: go ahead with the question |
| 19:55.23 | bzed | dpkg: slap tarzeau |
| 19:55.23 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across tarzeau's face |
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| 19:55.41 | bzed | tarzeau: its friday, go out! :P |
| 19:55.53 | kyconquers | I ran equivs-build and received http://pastebin.com/VdeUhSfP |
| 19:56.08 | tarzeau | bzed: whenever i go out i end up heavily drunk and wake up with a nude bunch of beauties laying all around me 7 in the morning. that sucks |
| 19:56.24 | tarzeau | i prefer to hang here on #debian no messy nights to clean up sometime later |
| 19:56.31 | jelly-home | tarzeau: because they're all inevitably of suboptimal gender? |
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| 19:56.35 | youlysses | Will GNOME 3.4 Make it to Wheezy? |
| 19:56.39 | klys | ~Porto: autoremove will only remove the old kernel |
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| 19:56.40 | bzed | Porto: you have two kernels installed, the backports on and the stable one. and the stable one gets an update. no problmem there, it will still boot your backports kernel |
| 19:57.02 | Porto | thanks bzed! |
| 19:57.02 | kyconquers | the package was a default that i got from equivs-control |
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| 19:57.07 | Porto | gona update;) |
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| 19:57.23 | jelly-home | youlysses: definitely maybe http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.4-status.html |
| 19:57.26 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 19:57.26 | dpkg | greycat is currently on #debian-bots (3h 52m 41s), last said: '-rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 476320 Jul 16 2011 xv_3.10a-20.1_amd64.deb'. |
| 19:57.46 | tarzeau | yuck xv... still exists? (/me switched to feh, years ago) |
| 19:57.53 | youlysses | jelly-home: Lol. |
| 19:58.31 | jelly-home | tarzeau: yeah! -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly src 506540 Jun 5 2006 /usr/src/xv/xv_3.10a-jumbo20050501-1+jelly.0_i386.deb |
| 19:58.40 | youlysses | I would love to see gNS4 have Gnome3.4 .... |
| 19:59.01 | tarzeau | jelly-home: you still don't have more than 4 gigs of memory and that's why you still use 32bit linux? |
| 19:59.02 | jelly-home | still the lovely shareware app it ever was |
| 19:59.15 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I have 8! |
| 19:59.25 | tarzeau | jelly-home: c-64? |
| 19:59.25 | bzed | tarzeau: well, just make sure the bauties leave before you get sober |
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| 19:59.39 | jelly-home | tarzeau: c128d is in the attic at present and does not run Debian yet |
| 19:59.48 | tarzeau | bzed: believe me they're still beauties when sober, i can prove |
| 19:59.58 | jelly-home | pix or it didn't happen |
| 20:00.12 | tarzeau | jelly-home: let me censor it a bit at least, my co-workers shouldn't see it |
| 20:00.42 | nsadmin | kyconquers, looks like you're in a dir the build process wants to remove |
| 20:00.43 | bzed | tarzeau: XTaran is not here, so come on ;) |
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| 20:01.05 | tarzeau | bzed: what's giving me the feeling he's gonna ask me about the photos on monday (well tuesday) |
| 20:01.11 | devios | dvs: any idea what the problem is? |
| 20:01.17 | dvs | nope |
| 20:01.31 | devios | doh |
| 20:01.37 | kyconquers | nsadmin, but I'm in a directory outside of it's control (home). |
| 20:01.40 | youlysses | Oh yeah! Any of you guys run their own mail server? Thinkin of starting one for my family... but was wondering if it was worth it. :-P |
| 20:01.52 | tarzeau | youlysses: yes it is. with postfix |
| 20:01.54 | nsadmin | also, you might want to try building as nonroot |
| 20:02.52 | DanDare | Hello. Im trying to install this Broadcom wireless mini-pci on Squeeze (BC4311). I did load module "b43" (that I installed from official distro repo), but having this error at bootup: "b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found" among other errors of same type, regarding firmware files. What should I do? Forgiving this module and trying it from Broadcom site? Its a know issue ? |
| 20:02.54 | guardian | i want to restrict shell access to a box. is AllowGroups / DenyGroups the way to go? or should I change the shell to /bin/false as well??? |
| 20:02.54 | jelly-home | youlysses: it's not worth it unless you like to learn A LOT of things about SMTP, mail, best practices and postfix |
| 20:02.56 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
| 20:02.57 | youlysses | tarzeau: Is it hard to manage/setup? I have a old laptop im dedicating to it. |
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| 20:03.35 | tarzeau | youlysses: uhm. it's not hard, many people have done it before. |
| 20:04.03 | jelly-home | DanDare: start by asking bot this: /msg dpkg b43 |
| 20:04.09 | youlysses | Im still a noob, so ... :-p |
| 20:04.15 | DanDare | thanks jelly-home |
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| 20:05.44 | nsadmin | kyconquers, if not your shell's, some oricess's cwd is in /root/equivs.NTkEgL |
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| 20:07.48 | kyconquers | nsadmin, do you think that equivs has a shell (or equivalent) script that changes my directory, but doesn't change back before it tries to remove it? |
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| 20:08.11 | nsadmin | a script cannot change your home dir unless you source it |
| 20:08.42 | tarzeau | bzed, jelly-home: here you go, only there for one minute. http://www.aiei.ch/censored.jpg |
| 20:08.57 | tarzeau | gee what idiot bots pick up urls in here? |
| 20:09.03 | nsadmin | err not your home dir, your cwd (or any other env var) |
| 20:09.16 | themill | tarzeau: umm... |
| 20:09.27 | tarzeau | bzed, jelly-home: done? |
| 20:09.43 | jelly-home | maybe |
| 20:09.46 | kyconquers | nsadmin, so what would cd do in a script? |
| 20:09.58 | tarzeau | themill: you wouldn't believe it, but i had the brilliant idea i want to be a photographer. product and architecture, and guess what happens? |
| 20:10.19 | themill | tarzeau: Are you sure it was #debian you were looking for? |
| 20:10.29 | tarzeau | themill: girls come over and tell me they want nude photos. and i ask why not have it hidden half nude or with some clothes and they're like NO WE WANT NUDE. damn |
| 20:10.35 | tarzeau | themill: sure |
| 20:11.11 | tarzeau | themill: i'm using debian after all, and the gimp! and darktable and other stuff |
| 20:11.25 | tarzeau | feh. nethack. amiwm. wmaker. all the good stuff |
| 20:11.41 | themill | tarzeau: #debian is for user support you should know that by now… |
| 20:12.14 | tarzeau | themill: ok i'll go out, sorry for disturbing... |
| 20:12.33 | guardian | i want to restrict shell access to a box. is AllowGroups / DenyGroups the way to go? or should I change the shell to /bin/false as well??? |
| 20:12.34 | jelly-home | #debian-offtopic is apparently the place to be |
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| 20:13.20 | jelly-home | guardian: if there a way for your users to gain "shell access" apart from ssh? |
| 20:13.27 | jelly-home | s/if/is/ |
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| 20:14.47 | guardian | nop |
| 20:14.59 | nsadmin | kyconquers, change the cwd of the shell process that's interpreting the script |
| 20:15.01 | guardian | it's a shared hosting box, most users will have chrooted sftp jail |
| 20:15.04 | jelly-home | guardian: well then, there's your answer. |
| 20:15.05 | eric | I just added a startup script to /etc/init.d/ the script calls a perl script that uses fork() the fork is killed or does not run. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:15.07 | guardian | few users will have ssh access |
| 20:15.27 | guardian | i don't think there is another way to login as far as i can see |
| 20:15.29 | kyconquers | nsadmin, how would I do that? |
| 20:15.35 | guardian | (self learning sysadmin here) |
| 20:15.39 | jelly-home | guardian: if they ever gain access to console, or telnet, they would be able to log in there |
| 20:16.03 | guardian | console as in physical access? no chance |
| 20:16.09 | nsadmin | not sure if our communication is synced |
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| 20:16.20 | guardian | telnet, is it installed by default? because I didn't install any telnet |
| 20:16.25 | nsadmin | so, you asked what cd does in a script |
| 20:16.30 | nsadmin | kyconquers, change the cwd of the shell process that's interpreting the script |
| 20:16.31 | guardian | so yeah there should be my answer |
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| 20:16.43 | jelly-home | guardian: it's not. Still, changing the shell is an additional layer |
| 20:17.10 | guardian | jelly-home: well, some trusted user may have shell access in fact, once I know more about chroot ssh |
| 20:17.20 | kyconquers | nsadmin, I don't know what that means. |
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| 20:17.28 | Rydekull | guardian: those users you can give rbash |
| 20:17.39 | Rydekull | guardian: restricted bash, only allowed to do the commands you specify |
| 20:17.48 | guardian | nice |
| 20:17.51 | Rydekull | guardian: if you want to make it secure, change shell |
| 20:18.03 | nsadmin | kyconquers, ok, do you remember asking the question? |
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| 20:18.36 | guardian | Rydekull: is rbash better than http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ ??? |
| 20:18.48 | jelly-home | Rydekull: that kind of "restricted" shell has historically been proven to be very hard to restrict, and have holes enough to escape if determined |
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| 20:19.22 | jelly-home | guardian: a simple and safe setup is to disable ssh and scp, allow only sftp in chroot |
| 20:19.26 | guardian | also about sftp chroot jail. i first heard about scponly, then about rssh, and finally I read that openssh has builtin feature for sftp chroot |
| 20:19.34 | kyconquers | nsadmin, which question, and what is a cwd? |
| 20:19.49 | nsadmin | current working directory, and... |
| 20:19.52 | jelly-home | guardian: disregard both scponly and rssh, both have had security issues. |
| 20:19.56 | guardian | jelly-home: yeah that's my first milestone, but some users are insisting :) so i thought about giving them basic shell commands + vim or such |
| 20:20.12 | kyconquers | so the directory I call the script from? |
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| 20:20.23 | kyconquers | I have changed that |
| 20:20.31 | nsadmin | you asked: "<kyconquers> nsadmin, so what would cd do in a script?" |
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| 20:20.33 | hampsterblade | I'm having trouble setting up quotas on Squeeze |
| 20:21.10 | guardian | jelly-home: bouncing to a different topic for a second, last time you helped with the oneliner giving the list of non system users, your example used uid >= 200, why 200??? was it just an example? finally I settled on getent passwd | awk -F: '$3 >= 1000 && $3 <= 9999 {print $1}' but I'm still curious about why >= 200? |
| 20:21.20 | hampsterblade | http://pastebin.com/Hc0T2bYg this is what I'm getting |
| 20:21.57 | guardian | jelly-home: also, does your remark about disregarding scponly and rssh apply to rbash? |
| 20:22.13 | nsadmin | kyconquers, cwd is the dir a process is "cd"ed to |
| 20:22.18 | kyconquers | nsadmin, so I need to find the script run be equivs and add a part that changes the cwd back to the one the script was called in be fore it tries to remove the directory it is in? |
| 20:22.45 | guardian | Rydekull: I got that link to the http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ script from http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze but I'm not sure how fresh/safe it is |
| 20:23.23 | nsadmin | nono, we apparantly got off track... the error message indicates it cannot remove a dir |
| 20:23.48 | kyconquers | nsadmin, how would I find the script that the command "equivs-build <pakcage_name>" calls to change it? |
| 20:23.51 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
| 20:23.54 | jelly-home | guardian: those scp-helper shell replacements are different from rbash |
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| 20:24.30 | nsadmin | kyconquers, the whole equivs thing is a set of scripts |
| 20:24.36 | guardian | i'm reading rbash's man atm, first impression "even cd is disallowed" OO |
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| 20:26.07 | nsadmin | which according to the error message are written in perl |
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| 20:26.26 | jelly-home | it's silly. If you trust you users, let them roam about. If you don't trust them, give them openvz containers or something |
| 20:26.38 | hampsterblade | anyone here with knowledge about quotas? |
| 20:26.58 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 20:26.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:27.01 | jelly-home | guardian: it was an example, yes |
| 20:27.09 | guardian | ok :) |
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| 20:28.19 | jelly-home | hampsterblade: are you going for usrquota or grpquota or both? What does the fstab entry for /hd2 say? |
| 20:28.20 | HeXiLeD | !tell reconfigure mysql |
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| 20:29.07 | hampsterblade | jelly-home I am going for usr quota, I may set up grpquota in the future. /etc/fstab for hd2 = /dev/sdb1 /hd2 ext4 defaults,data=writeback,discard,usrquota,noatime,nodiratime 0 0 |
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| 20:30.11 | jelly-home | hampsterblade: and (how) did you create the quote db files? |
| 20:30.19 | jelly-home | quota files, even |
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| 20:30.38 | hampsterblade | jelly-home I'm following this guide http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 |
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| 20:31.09 | guardian | jelly-home: your remark about openvz was for me? well i want some of the users to have more freedom than just sftp files to their home… that's about it. still i'm the one configuring the web server, the backups, mysql etc. i don't know openvz but from the wikipage it looks similar to a vm guest and i don't want any of the users to have to maintain a vhost by himself |
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| 20:32.07 | jelly-home | guardian: yes it was. openvz containers are almost like a chroot, but with better isolation and limits |
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| 20:32.53 | guardian | ok i'll read about it, thank you |
| 20:33.00 | jelly-home | hampsterblade: whoa, that guide is from 2004. |
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| 20:33.15 | hampsterblade | I had a hard time finding information on it |
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| 20:34.10 | jelly-home | hampsterblade: instead of following it blindly, read the manual on quotacheck and figure out how to generate new quota files from scratch |
| 20:34.33 | hampsterblade | i was hoping this would be simple :( |
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| 20:35.19 | guardian | jelly-home: so according to you, rbash is a bad idea |
| 20:35.38 | HeXiLeD | any suggestions : /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server-5.1 is broken or not fully installed ? |
| 20:35.49 | hampsterblade | oh, this stuff has changed |
| 20:35.54 | hampsterblade | that explains why it doesn't work |
| 20:37.20 | TheWarden | okay, I'm not sure really how to go about doing this. I have an application installed as a package called qbittorrent-nox v2.2.11. |
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| 20:37.24 | jelly-home | guardian: yeah. I don't think it's adequate wrt security, neither wrt functionality for the end user |
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| 20:37.41 | jelly-home | ,versions qbittorrent-nox |
| 20:37.42 | judd | Package: qbittorrent-nox on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.11-1; wheezy: 2.9.5-1; sid: 2.9.7-1 |
| 20:38.10 | TheWarden | How do update the package to the latest version 2.9.7? |
| 20:38.40 | TheWarden | from what I understand I already have backports in my software sources. |
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| 20:39.08 | jelly-home | TheWarden: but keeping the rest of the system at its Debian 6 versions? You would have to build an updated package for local usage. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:40.55 | jelly-home | TheWarden: and "/msg judd checkbackport qbittorrent-nox" should tell you if you need to backport something else first as a prequisite |
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| 20:42.55 | jelly-home | hampsterblade: it is relatively simple. Create the quota files with version vfsv1 or vfsv0, run "quotaon -a" to enable quota, and then use edquota to edit a user's quota |
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| 20:43.35 | hampsterblade | I was having a hard time figuring out anything. I googled quotas debian squeeze, and couldn't find a decent guide on it anywhere |
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| 20:44.45 | TheWarden | jelly-home: well yes. I've read that and not sure exactly what to do still :) |
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| 20:45.14 | TheWarden | jelly-home: okay, thanks I'll try that |
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| 20:46.54 | jelly-home | TheWarden: I guess you've read, understood and applied <deb-src sid> factoid. After that, do "apt-get build-dep libtorrent-rasterbar-dev", then "apt-get -b source libtorrent-rasterbar-dev" and hope it builds a few .deb packages as a result. |
| 20:47.30 | TheWarden | jelly-home: so it tells me if I understand right that I require libtorrent-rasterbar-dev >= 0.15.4. Now that I know that, how do I begin getting that and some how the updated app? confused. |
| 20:47.43 | Big_Brother | 15:45:23 < Big_Brother> mathx: if he's family, beat some comprehension into him. |
| 20:47.43 | Big_Brother | 15:46:18 < mathx> i hope you dont have kids |
| 20:48.01 | TheWarden | jelly-home: mmm okay... this is more difficult then I thought :). |
| 20:48.03 | jelly-home | TheWarden: you have to backport libtorrent-rasterbar-dev then, first, using the same ssb recipe |
| 20:48.14 | Big_Brother | wrong channel. crap. |
| 20:48.24 | bodhi_me | i hope you had a son without ass hole |
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| 20:48.48 | jelly-home | wtf |
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| 20:54.44 | kyconquers | what debian package is locate in? |
| 20:55.08 | kevlarman | kyconquers: apt-file is the easiest way to find out |
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| 20:55.20 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides locate |
| 20:55.23 | judd | In squeeze/i386, locate is a real package. |
| 20:55.29 | jelly-home | judd: liar! |
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| 20:55.45 | jelly-home | well, it's real _and_ virtual. |
| 20:55.48 | jelly-home | ,info mlocate |
| 20:55.49 | judd | Package mlocate (utils, standard) in squeeze/i386: quickly find files on the filesystem based on their name. Version: 0.22.2-1; Size: 85.5k; Installed: 560k; Homepage: http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/blog/mlocate |
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| 20:56.06 | jelly-home | kyconquers: ^^ |
| 20:56.13 | burd | upgrading from lenny to squeeze and it is hanging on "Setting up LVM Volume Group" any suggestions or insight? thanks in advance |
| 20:56.17 | kevlarman | jelly-home: how do you make one of the bots do apt-file search? |
| 20:56.27 | kevlarman | i've managed to forget |
| 20:56.43 | jelly-home | kevlarman: judd's "file" is a rough equivalent |
| 20:56.49 | kyconquers | thanks kevlarman and jelly-home |
| 20:57.44 | jelly-home | kevlarman: but I don't think the bot OR apt-file deal well with alternatives system, and lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Feb 26 2008 /usr/bin/locate -> /etc/alternatives/locate |
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| 20:58.12 | kevlarman | ,file locate |
| 20:58.16 | judd | Search for locate in squeeze/i386: mlocate: etc/cron.daily/mlocate, usr/bin/mlocate, usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate; zephyr-clients: usr/bin/zlocate; expect-dev: usr/bin/dislocate, usr/bin/expect_dislocate; freeipmi-tools: usr/sbin/ipmi-locate; util-linux: usr/bin/fallocate; dirvish: usr/bin/dirvish-locate; locate: etc/cron.daily/locate; dlocate: etc/cron.daily/dlocate, |
| 20:58.17 | judd | etc/default/dlocate, usr/bin/dlocate; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Debian/_dlocate, usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_locate; aide-common: usr/share/aide/config/aide/aide.conf.d/31_aide_dlocate, usr/share/aide/config/aide/aide.conf.d/31_aide_mlocate; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Debian/_dlocate, usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_locate |
| 20:58.24 | kevlarman | yikes |
| 20:58.29 | jelly-home | !spank kevlarman |
| 20:58.29 | dpkg | bends kevlarman over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 20:59.25 | jelly-home | msg the bot |
| 20:59.43 | kevlarman | didn't quite expect that much output |
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| 21:02.24 | HeXiLeD | !tell Event Scheduler |
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| 21:03.29 | TheWarden | is it not true that one shouldn't be editing their source.list bu rather adding a file in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ with the additions? |
| 21:03.40 | GEEGEEGEE | Is it possible to alias domain names in /etc/hosts |
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| 21:05.02 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
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| 21:10.12 | sephii | GEEGEEGEE: you can put any name you want in /etc/hosts |
| 21:10.24 | HeXiLeD | unable to upgrade mysql .. http://dpaste.com/724424/ any suggestions ? |
| 21:10.25 | GEEGEEGEE | Can you alias domains though |
| 21:10.32 | hampsterblade | yes |
| 21:10.35 | GEEGEEGEE | ok thanks |
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| 21:12.17 | born2troll | guys i compiled a package on my wheeze partition and now i try to install it on my squeezy partition. is that dangerous? |
| 21:12.36 | kevlarman | born2troll: chances are it just won't work |
| 21:12.44 | youlysses | Why has dwm seem to have died? Is it cause awesome stole all its mindshare ... |
| 21:13.07 | kevlarman | if that package not working is dangerous, then yes it's dangerous |
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| 21:13.46 | kevlarman | (e.g. breaking dpkg would be bad, breaking firefox is mostly harmless) |
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| 21:13.54 | born2troll | kevlarman, no critical package... just wine 1.4... if worest case is that it just dont work im fine |
| 21:14.05 | kevlarman | born2troll: no that won't work |
| 21:14.34 | born2troll | kevlarman, dont be pesemistic :S |
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| 21:14.56 | kevlarman | born2troll: i'm not pessimistic, i know for a fact wine built against wheezy won't work on squeeze |
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| 21:17.02 | born2troll | kevlarman, you are pesimistic! noone likes pesemists :P |
| 21:17.31 | kevlarman | born2troll: or i build wine git daily |
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| 21:17.52 | kevlarman | (when i'm not lazy) |
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| 21:21.05 | born2troll | kevlarman, steam is starting fine... will test 3d applications now. still interrested in heareing more about that git repo |
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| 21:22.52 | born2troll | kevlarman, maybe we should take the talk about wine repo out of here... maybe #debian-offtopic, #winehq or #trollcave <= my favourite |
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| 21:23.55 | kevlarman | i thought it was supposed to be a bridge not a cave |
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| 21:25.27 | born2troll | well even trolls have to sleep somewhere ) no honestly does that git repo have a wine build for debian squeeze? |
| 21:26.24 | kevlarman | born2troll: git only has source code |
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| 21:28.17 | born2troll | kevlarman, i dont care if i have to compile it myself if it is possible with debian 6 |
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| 21:29.19 | nsadmin | should be |
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| 21:29.41 | HeXiLeD | is there a reason why imagemagick pulls x11-common ? |
| 21:29.44 | nsadmin | you may be in for quite an adventure... just so you know |
| 21:30.10 | kevlarman | ^ |
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| 21:30.23 | kevlarman | especially if you need a driver other than nvidia's blob |
| 21:30.26 | nkuttler | HeXiLeD: hm, it needs it? |
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| 21:30.40 | born2troll | now a link to the repo and i would be sooo happy *aready typeing "git clone" in terminal* |
| 21:30.56 | HeXiLeD | cant we .. ditch the dependency for a headless box ? |
| 21:31.05 | nsadmin | has x clients? (in that case I wonder why not also the x client libs) |
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| 21:31.29 | nkuttler | HeXiLeD: btw, doesn't seem to depend on it for me in stable or testing |
| 21:32.02 | nsadmin | born2troll, not necessarily the best source of info... google is likely better |
| 21:32.44 | nsadmin | HeXiLeD, find out why the dep exists |
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| 21:33.23 | nkuttler | HeXiLeD: maybe if you install imagemagick and include recommends something there depends on it |
| 21:33.30 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm amazed with this stuff that Debian uses. I'm curious, but Debian appears to boot up extreemly fast, at least on the server box I'm using. Is that a specialty of Debain specificly? Awesome indeed. |
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| 21:34.00 | nsadmin | , depends imagemagick |
| 21:34.01 | judd | Package imagemagick in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgomp1 (>= 4.2.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjpeg62 (>= 6b1), liblcms1 (>= 1.15-1), liblqr-1-0 (>= 0.1.0), libltdl7 (>= 2.2.6b), libmagickcore3 (>= 8:6.6.0.4), libmagickwand3 (>= 8:6.6.0.4), libsm6, libtiff4, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, zlib1g |
| 21:34.03 | judd | (>= 1:1.1.4). |
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| 21:34.24 | sutoro | I'm fed up reading these dependencies |
| 21:34.39 | nkuttler | so don't |
| 21:34.47 | nsadmin | oh, it does depend on the x libs so there are x clients |
| 21:34.53 | kevlarman | Keith-BlindUser: parallel boot scripts tend to be quite a bit faster than the classic ones |
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| 21:35.37 | Keith-BlindUser | Awesome indeed. |
| 21:35.41 | kevlarman | partly because of multiple cores, partly because there's no point in waiting around doing nothing while waiting for a reply from the dhcp server and the like |
| 21:35.51 | Keith-BlindUser | Yeah. |
| 21:35.59 | kevlarman | Keith-BlindUser: almost all distros have them these days |
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| 21:36.55 | nsadmin | well of course if we're waiting for dhcp, we shouldn't start anything that requires net |
| 21:37.31 | kevlarman | nsadmin: correct, but there's no reason not to start spinning up the X server or something |
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| 21:38.09 | kevlarman | nsadmin: first attempt at doing this type of thing was a makefile iirc |
| 21:38.21 | kevlarman | so init would just run make -j6 boot or something |
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| 21:39.23 | nsadmin | now instead of make it's that insserv thing |
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| 21:39.33 | kevlarman | does squeeze have a gcc4.5 somewhere? |
| 21:39.47 | nsadmin | , versions gcc |
| 21:39.49 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4; sid: 4:4.6.3-3; experimental: 4:4.7.0-3exp1 |
| 21:40.02 | kevlarman | nsadmin: or that init replacement from he who breaks your audio :P |
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| 21:40.22 | Vasistha | I'm looking at this page: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xournal -- at the top I see "Supports Format: PDF Documents". I wish I could click "PDF Documents" there and get a list of other programs that also support pdf docus ... but instead I get this cryptic page about debtags. How can I do a search for packages with debtag works-with-format:pdf ? |
| 21:40.25 | nsadmin | he hoo? |
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| 21:40.52 | kevlarman | nsadmin: systemd is made by the guy responsible for pulseaudio |
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| 21:42.38 | no_gravity | Good Evening! What is the output of the "stat" command? I was hoping to find out the creation date of a file. But the access,modify and change dates are all the same and seem to be the date the file was saved last time. |
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| 21:43.16 | nsadmin | no_gravity, what file system type? |
| 21:43.46 | no_gravity | nsadmin: ext3 i think |
| 21:44.11 | nsadmin | touch hello |
| 21:44.16 | nsadmin | stat hello |
| 21:44.27 | nsadmin | edit hello with your fav text editor |
| 21:44.29 | nsadmin | stat hello |
| 21:45.02 | born2troll | well im not sure if that is not supposed to be asked @ #debian-offtopc but im looking for a secound OS on my other harddrive... something with very new software... sth to play around with |
| 21:45.03 | TheWarden | jelly-home: things are going good thus far for the compilation of deb package for qBittorrent. However, how do I add a configuration option when compiling? |
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| 21:46.05 | nsadmin | TheWarden, you mean like for ./configure? |
| 21:46.17 | no_gravity | nsadmin: all 3 times are the same. after touch and also after the edit. |
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| 21:46.49 | nsadmin | but before and after the edit are different? |
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| 21:48.26 | nsadmin | I wonder if the filesystem is now mounted with special options, -or- would have to be mounted with some options to activate the other time stamps |
| 21:48.49 | TheWarden | nsadmin: yeah, but in my case I'm trying to create a deb package. Honestly I don't know what I'm doing lol. just going by what dpkg is telling me. |
| 21:48.56 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, tell me witch Free Panel would you recommend, Virtualmin or ISPconfig? |
| 21:49.10 | TheWarden | I think its failed... argh. seems stupid but I understand how to do from source then this way. |
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| 21:49.43 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, a witch free panel is one having no witches |
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| 21:50.13 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, lol your right sorry, poor writen english |
| 21:50.36 | PhoenixSTF | *wich |
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| 21:51.05 | sutoro | But I like the panel that involve witchcraft |
| 21:51.39 | PhoenixSTF | problably i should take this to off topic |
| 21:51.47 | nsadmin | one that works, is very solid and secure and easy to use... I don't know which that would be, but for example avoid webmin like the plague |
| 21:52.14 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, virtualmin is a sort of addon to webmin |
| 21:52.23 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, why avoid webmin? |
| 21:52.58 | nsadmin | a lot of it has been found to not work well |
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| 21:53.44 | PhoenixSTF | darn, it looked to be the most stable... |
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| 21:55.20 | PhoenixSTF | there are not many out there that will do the trick. the most advanced is webmin but based upon perl so scalability is a issue if you don't know perl right. |
| 21:56.50 | nsadmin | what exactlydo you want to accomplish? |
| 21:56.55 | PhoenixSTF | Ispconfig is made with php and mysql, so easier to make changes but seems a bit more brute has a program |
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| 21:57.41 | PhoenixSTF | i want to make the right choice in stability |
| 21:58.03 | nsadmin | ok, and, what's your overall goal? |
| 21:58.13 | PhoenixSTF | low memory footprint |
| 21:58.31 | PhoenixSTF | and easy to use |
| 21:59.17 | nsadmin | yes, and, what I'm asking you for, is what do you want to do? so you wanted to do something, and you thought of panels... what did you want to do? |
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| 22:00.04 | PhoenixSTF | oh thats simple i got a small VPS and I want to be able to give some space on my VPS for pages and stuff |
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| 22:00.54 | guardian | i'm using rdiff-backup to backup a box. srcbox is backed up to dstbox — on srcbox backup job runs as root, and connects to dstbox through rdiffbackup/ssh as root with passphrase less key + forced command. i don't need to mutualize backup scripts, in that respect is it better to run the backup job on srcbox and use dstbox as a writable destination or run the backup job on dstbox and use srcbox as a readonly sour |
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| 22:03.11 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, So sort off like a small web server, for friends and private projects |
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| 22:03.56 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, had you considered a wiki? |
| 22:05.02 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, no I am not quite sure of how I can do it with that one |
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| 22:06.32 | joar | I'm having trouble with something, everytime I tab-complete I get -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 22:06.43 | nsadmin | another approach you can take is to write scripts that automate the things you want to do |
| 22:07.04 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, for that i have ISPconfig3 |
| 22:07.21 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, i can change it easaly |
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| 22:07.48 | sheep | joar: check ls -l /dev/null. what are the permissions? |
| 22:08.27 | joar | crw-rw---- 1 root root 1, 3 Mar 30 23:44 /dev/null |
| 22:08.46 | joar | I just rebooted the machine, running wheezy which was upgraded from lenny |
| 22:08.52 | Zal | reading up on debconf. What's it good for? That is to say, what does it get me over and above say, using bash to ask questions on the command line, or using env variables to pass values for a package installation? |
| 22:09.00 | joar | I had a similar problem with devices on another machine today. |
| 22:09.07 | joar | where /dev/shm was root-only etc |
| 22:09.21 | Zal | or in still other words: what are its valuable use-cases? |
| 22:10.02 | sheep | joar: I'm not sure if this will permanently fix it or if it's recommended, but try sudo chmod 555 /dev/null |
| 22:10.03 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, it almost sounds to me you've made your choice |
| 22:10.07 | themill | Zal: there are many different debconf frontends, debconf answers can be preseeded and debconf questions are translated |
| 22:10.24 | sheep | joar: no, make that 555 666 |
| 22:10.26 | joar | sheep: I'm pretty sure it should be 0666 though |
| 22:10.28 | Zal | themill, ah, that could be handy, thanks |
| 22:10.28 | joar | yes |
| 22:10.33 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, lol ;) |
| 22:10.39 | sheep | I had my bits mixed up |
| 22:11.50 | themill | Zal: you might find §3.9.1 of policy interesting |
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| 22:11.59 | a111 | What are the package names for mysql 5.5 on debain? |
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| 22:12.24 | themill | a111: mysql 5.5 isn't in any supported release |
| 22:12.43 | a111 | Should have known. Its Debian. |
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| 22:13.50 | Zal | themill, excellent, thank you |
| 22:13.50 | m3tti | hi there |
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| 22:14.46 | m3tti | anyone who wants to share some ideas for my desktop XD. I'm using xfce4 right now and debian stable and i want some coole themes :-D |
| 22:15.20 | m3tti | everything else works perfekt over here :-D |
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| 22:17.39 | joar | sheep: I also get Sorry, could not find a PTY. |
| 22:17.47 | joar | when trying to run GNU screen |
| 22:17.50 | guardian | is there a security difference between 1) run backup script as root 2) run backup script as unprivileged user that can sudo "rdiff-backup" without passwd? |
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| 22:21.19 | born2troll | kevlarman, hey! the wine i compieled on wheeze works! you are a pesimist! :P |
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| 22:28.37 | guardian | any hint please? |
| 22:28.42 | guardian | is there a security difference between 1) run backup script as root 2) run backup script as unprivileged user that can sudo "rdiff-backup" without passwd? |
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| 22:29.05 | guardian | both triggered by cron |
| 22:29.11 | nikolaj_basher | Is there af way to add a user in the user.db which courier use |
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| 22:38.02 | scwizard | I installed debian on a hard disk. When I boot up some random live CD I can mount the partition with debian installed on it. However when I try and boot from disk I get DISK BOOT FAILURE |
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| 22:38.22 | kwy__ | hi |
| 22:38.42 | kwy__ | I wonder how I can delegate (to a chrooted user) the restart of a service outside the jail ? |
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| 22:39.42 | scwizard | if a user is unprivleged and chrooted, how would then for them to restart a service outside their chroot |
| 22:39.52 | scwizard | they'd need to have their privleges escalated of course |
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| 22:40.35 | kwy__ | or a way to comminucate with a process outside like an asynch comm but I wonder if there is some kind of best practice or so |
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| 22:41.00 | scwizard | well what's stopping you from using /kill to send a signal to the process? |
| 22:41.12 | somiaj | kwy__: also depend on the service, for example if all you had to do was send a restart signal to the program or some socket it is listening on, as opposed to terminating and restarting the binary. |
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| 22:42.49 | kwy__ | well in few words I have chrooted user but I have monit running outside the jail, and I want to let some users to restart monit to monitor their services |
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| 22:43.29 | kwy__ | so I though to include specific monit config files from the chrooted jail and let the chrooted user to restart it |
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| 22:43.49 | kwy__ | maybe there is a better way to achieve the same kind of behavior |
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| 22:49.33 | Tramp | kwy__: make them touch a file. Have a cronjob, which checks for existance of this file and restarts the service |
| 22:50.21 | kevlarman | themill: what's a ##? |
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| 22:50.59 | kwy__ | Tramp: well yes :) |
| 22:51.26 | kwy__ | sipmle and ez to maintain |
| 22:51.34 | themill | kevlarman: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 22:52.29 | Tramp | kwy__: and don't forget to make the cronjob remove the trigger-file :) |
| 22:52.53 | kwy__ | hehe |
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| 23:02.05 | lrussell | Hi, how do you install ffmpeg with all codecs, I can't seem to find a good tutorial... |
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| 23:05.08 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
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| 23:06.43 | lrussell | huh, thats weird |
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| 23:06.57 | joar | how do you remove self-built applications from your system? |
| 23:07.35 | joar | my original problem is that I can't start irssi since it complains about libperl.so.5.10 not existing |
| 23:07.54 | nevyn | joar: did you run make install? |
| 23:07.57 | joar | I am unsure if the binary I have installed is build by myself or installed via apt-get |
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| 23:08.09 | nevyn | joar: did you run make install? |
| 23:08.22 | joar | nevyn: probably yes |
| 23:08.31 | joar | *if* i built it myself |
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| 23:13.10 | joar | nevyn: will you leave me here? :) |
| 23:14.06 | mmnicolas | devios: using any unusual apt repos ? |
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| 23:14.32 | dwon | never run 'make install" |
| 23:15.13 | somiaj | dwon: why? As long as it installs stuff in /usr/local it is just fine. You can use equivs if you need debian packages to depend on it. |
| 23:15.22 | joar | dwon: ack. |
| 23:15.31 | dwon | somiaj: and how do you uninstall or upgrade those things in /usr/local ? |
| 23:15.50 | somiaj | many pieces of software come with 'make uninstall' |
| 23:15.59 | dwon | somiaj: no, most don't |
| 23:16.02 | somiaj | or you can use stow if you want better management of stuff you like to compile from source |
| 23:16.13 | dwon | If you want to install stuff you built yourself, use something like GNU stow; |
| 23:16.16 | dwon | exactly |
| 23:16.35 | dwon | but the standard "./configure && make && make install" instructions crap all over your system |
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| 23:16.45 | joar | dwon: somiaj: removed /usr/local/bin/irssi, now it works! thanks! |
| 23:17.26 | somiaj | depends on the software. Yes don't just blindly run 'make install', but if you need/want to install stuff from source just know what you are doing. |
| 23:17.44 | somiaj | though I prefer to build .debs myself and install them |
| 23:17.50 | xreal | I can't start iSCSI in Squeeze. Can anyone help please? FATAL: Module iscsi_trgt not found. |
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| 23:18.53 | dwon | somiaj: Granted, if you know what you're doing, you know when to ignore my advice, but it's a good rule of thumb. |
| 23:18.53 | scwizard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.14 | scwizard | when I google it people are like "oh maybe it's the IDE cable" but the IDE cable is fine, or else I wouldn't have been able to install to that disk |
| 23:19.23 | somiaj | joar: have you seen /msg dpkg ssbp and also /msg dpkg uupdate (both useful if you want something newer than is offered in squeeze and want to compile it yourself) |
| 23:19.28 | dwon | scientes: I'd guess that it's booting off a different disk than you installed grub to |
| 23:19.35 | dwon | scwizard: ^ |
| 23:19.54 | dwon | scwizard: check your BIOS boot order |
| 23:20.38 | scwizard | dwon, my bios boot order is: first: hard disk |
| 23:20.39 | scwizard | second: none |
| 23:20.41 | scwizard | third: none |
| 23:20.48 | dwon | scwizard: how many hard disks does your machine have? |
| 23:20.50 | scwizard | one |
| 23:20.56 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.12 | dwon | scwizard: ah, ok. During the install process, did you answer yes to "install grub to the MBR"? Did it succeed? |
| 23:21.27 | scwizard | yes and yes |
| 23:21.48 | dwon | scwizard: what kind of media did you install from? CD? USB? |
| 23:21.54 | scwizard | CD |
| 23:22.05 | dwon | scwizard: well that's odd |
| 23:22.24 | scwizard | yes :( |
| 23:22.31 | dwon | scwizard: which distro is this? official stable cd? |
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| 23:22.43 | scwizard | it has debian 6.0.4 writen on it |
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| 23:22.56 | scwizard | bios is erm |
| 23:23.02 | scwizard | KN1 Lite Ver 1.0d 08/09/2005 |
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| 23:23.31 | scwizard | as for the how many hard disks do you have |
| 23:23.53 | scwizard | when I go to hard disk boot priority I get: 1. ch M WDC WD3200JB-00KFA0, 2. Bottable Add-in Cards |
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| 23:24.34 | dwon | scwizard: You could try booting the CD again. I think there's a recovery option that lets you install the bootloader again. |
| 23:24.48 | bitcycle | Hey all. Could someone advise me on where to get uuid-dev_1.2-1.41.3-1_amd64.deb from? I'm searching online and I can't find it. I am running Lenny on a corp server, so I can't just upgrade. |
| 23:24.52 | scwizard | ok |
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| 23:25.19 | dwon | scwizard: alternatively, if it's your BIOS doing something weird you could buy a cheap USB stick and try to install grub on that (still pointed at your hard drive) |
| 23:25.28 | dwon | scwizard: you shouldn't need to, though |
| 23:25.51 | scwizard | ok |
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| 23:27.08 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
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| 23:28.43 | mmnicolas | bitcycle: it's in your repo, what wrong with apt-get'ing it ? |
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| 23:29.19 | scwizard | dwon, ok so I'm in the installer boot menu :| |
| 23:29.32 | scwizard | so recovery option that lets me install the bootloader |
| 23:29.37 | themill | devios: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy initramfs-tools busybox udev libc6 dpkg" |
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| 23:30.46 | autojack | is there an easy way to view the install script of a deb package I have on my system? |
| 23:31.33 | themill | dpkg: tell autojack about pkg scripts |
| 23:31.43 | dwon | scwizard: crap, I don't remember what it's called. What are the options? |
| 23:31.56 | scwizard | I think I found out how to get to a shell from google |
| 23:32.03 | autojack | thanks! |
| 23:32.24 | dwon | scwizard: you don't actually need to get a shell to do it (there's a menu-based way), but that'll work too |
| 23:32.32 | scwizard | ok well I'm in busybox |
| 23:32.37 | themill | autojack: (I assume that's what you meant by "install scripts" -- they're normally called "maintainer scripts") |
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| 23:34.02 | scwizard | busybox doesn't have grub :| |
| 23:34.23 | autojack | themill: yep, that's exactly what I meant. thanks :) |
| 23:35.05 | dwon | scwizard: yeah. I've got the installer cd here, gimme a second |
| 23:36.27 | dwon | scwizard: from the CD's bootloader menu: Advanced -> Rescue mode |
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| 23:36.51 | scwizard | kk |
| 23:36.54 | scwizard | give me a sec |
| 23:37.24 | dwon | scwizard: take your time. I'm doing a dummy install to a VM so that I can remember how to do this. :) |
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| 23:40.38 | scwizard | dwon, I selected my language and keyboard layout |
| 23:40.52 | scwizard | now it's loading aditional components |
| 23:41.00 | scwizard | now do I select the network interface or go back? |
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| 23:41.08 | dwon | scwizard: select the network interface |
| 23:41.18 | dwon | scwizard: just continue until you get the menu that gives you rescue options |
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| 23:42.28 | scwizard | dwon, when I installed debian, I picked the "whole bunch of partitions" option |
| 23:42.40 | scwizard | would "sde1" be the root filesystem one by default? |
| 23:42.50 | scwizard | (1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9 are available) |
| 23:43.04 | scwizard | w/e it probably is |
| 23:43.13 | scwizard | oh then there's "reinstall grub" |
| 23:43.15 | scwizard | ok I'll try that |
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| 23:44.13 | dvs | scwizard: you want the MBR |
| 23:44.34 | dwon | dvs: Not there yet. He's still on the "mount your root filesystem" step, I think |
| 23:45.20 | scwizard | well I checked by shelling in, and sde1 is the root filesystem |
| 23:45.43 | scwizard | now is device for boot loader installation |
| 23:45.49 | scwizard | I guess I'll try /dev/sde first |
| 23:45.53 | scwizard | then /dev/sde1 if that doesn't work? |
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| 23:46.04 | dwon | I'm curious: What's on /dev/sda through /dev/sdd ? |
| 23:46.04 | scwizard | erm |
| 23:46.12 | dvs | Yeah, where's sda? |
| 23:46.20 | scwizard | dunno |
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| 23:46.32 | dwon | oh, that might be IDE |
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| 23:46.33 | scwizard | I don't think any device is hooked into them |
| 23:46.53 | dvs | is beginning to think it's a fstab problem |
| 23:46.55 | scwizard | executing grub-intall in /dev/sde1 failed O_o |
| 23:47.06 | scwizard | oh nooooooooo |
| 23:47.11 | scwizard | but when I execute a shel lin /dev/sde1 |
| 23:47.20 | scwizard | I get a shell which is on the debian I installed |
| 23:47.21 | dvs | sde1 is not an MBR |
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| 23:47.30 | scwizard | ok so /dev/sde? |
| 23:47.36 | dwon | scwizard: yes, /dev/sde |
| 23:47.36 | dvs | that's one |
| 23:47.45 | scwizard | "unable to install grub in /dev/sde, this is a FATAL ERROR" |
| 23:47.51 | scwizard | and a red screen for dramatic effect |
| 23:48.07 | dwon | if you flip to one of the other VCs, does it say why? |
| 23:48.20 | scwizard | what is a VCs? |
| 23:48.27 | dwon | like, Alt-F4 or whatever |
| 23:48.32 | dwon | virtual console |
| 23:48.51 | scwizard | ok |
| 23:48.52 | scwizard | it says |
| 23:48.53 | dwon | one of them should have a running log |
| 23:49.20 | scwizard | rescude-mode: selected root device '/dev/sde1' |
| 23:49.27 | scwizard | unmount: can't unmount /target: Invalid argument |
| 23:49.37 | dwon | it's your extra shell |
| 23:49.44 | dwon | log out of your extra shell |
| 23:50.00 | scwizard | Kernel: [333.845834] EXT20fs warning *device sde1): ex2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 |
| 23:50.25 | scwizard | grub-installer: chroot: can't execute 'grub-install': No such file or directory |
| 23:50.35 | dwon | that's a bit odd |
| 23:50.57 | dwon | anything about I/O errors? |
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| 23:51.16 | scwizard | FATAL: Module lv_mod not found |
| 23:51.17 | scwizard | maybe? |
| 23:52.04 | scwizard | file descriptor 6 /dev/prts/0 leaked on pvscan invocation? |
| 23:52.31 | dwon | scwizard: I doubt those things matter |
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| 23:53.14 | scwizard | it was my impression to |
| 23:53.46 | scwizard | well when I shell in |
| 23:53.52 | scwizard | which grub gives me nothing |
| 23:54.01 | scwizard | I guess I gotta mount those other partitions? |
| 23:54.11 | dwon | scwizard: The installer should take care of that for you |
| 23:54.18 | scwizard | nope |
| 23:54.23 | scwizard | it says it doesn't |
| 23:54.29 | dwon | scwizard: What does ls /target show? |
| 23:55.02 | scwizard | "after this message, you will be given a shell with /dev/sde1 mounted on "/". If you need any other file systems (such as a separate "/usr" you will have to mount those yourself |
| 23:55.29 | scwizard | no such thing dwon |
| 23:55.57 | dwon | hmm. You shouldn't be needing to run a shell at all. |
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| 23:57.04 | piklu | what is the suitable TLD if u are looking to make a personal educational blog |
| 23:57.41 | scwizard | wierd when I do mount /dev/sde2 /usr I get "mount you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 23:57.50 | scwizard | I don't remember mount working like that |
| 23:57.57 | vz2albynes | hi all i was wondering, is there a "boot CD" that when loaded would detect all hdds and have option to boot to external hdd running debian OR internal hdd running windows? |
| 23:58.06 | dwon | scwizard: So, when you installed, you chose "Guided - use entire disk" and then "Separate /home, /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions", right? No LVM, right? |
| 23:58.23 | scwizard | yeah |
| 23:58.26 | scwizard | maybe I should try again with LVM |
| 23:58.42 | dwon | scwizard: I doubt that will help |
| 23:58.51 | dwon | so, the filesystems are: |
| 23:58.54 | dwon | 1: / |
| 23:58.55 | dwon | 5: /usr |
| 23:58.58 | dwon | 6: /var |
| 23:59.00 | dwon | 7: swap |
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| 23:59.07 | scwizard | usr is empty :( |
| 23:59.15 | scwizard | mount says sde5 is mounted on /usr |
| 23:59.16 | scwizard | but it's empty |
| 23:59.40 | vz2albynes | any one got this one? |
| 23:59.42 | vz2albynes | hi all i was wondering, is there a "boot CD" that when loaded would detect all hdds and have option to boot to external hdd running debian OR internal hdd running windows? |
