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| 00:00.09 | taxman | chainloader? |
| 00:00.13 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm just curious, but when new stable releases of Debian are generally made, is apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade the fastest way to upgrade? |
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| 00:00.55 | taxman | in theory, you can load any os, including bsd or windows |
| 00:01.04 | vz2albynes | anyone?? |
| 00:01.13 | scwizard | wtf |
| 00:01.26 | scwizard | but when I picked it as the root filesystem |
| 00:01.36 | scwizard | and executed a shell in the instalation enviroment |
| 00:01.42 | scwizard | I have the /usr stuff there |
| 00:01.46 | dvs | Keith-BlindUser: The release notes for each release shows the best way to upgrade. |
| 00:01.48 | Keith-BlindUser | vz2albynes: What? I arrived late to the discussion. |
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| 00:02.00 | dwon | 8: /tmp |
| 00:02.00 | dwon | 9: /home |
| 00:02.01 | dwon | let me try this again. I'm going to install without a bootloader, then I'll reboot and figure out how to get the menu that lets you install the bootloader again |
| 00:02.02 | dwon | you might want to get a coffee or make yourself some popcorn or something |
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| 00:02.30 | dwon | well, that was delayed |
| 00:02.32 | Keith-BlindUser | Oh dear. |
| 00:02.45 | Keith-BlindUser | Don't want the no-paste rule to be violated, do we? |
| 00:02.47 | scwizard | it seems what's going on is that /usr isn't mounting |
| 00:02.59 | scwizard | how do I remount sde5? |
| 00:03.05 | vz2albynes | hi Keith-BlindUseri was wondering, is there a "boot CD" that when loaded would detect all hdds and have option to boot to external hdd running debian OR internal hdd running windows? |
| 00:03.45 | Keith-BlindUser | Not sure if such a CD exists, personally. |
| 00:03.59 | scwizard | umount /usr gives "/usr not mounted" but mount says it is mounted :( |
| 00:04.21 | dwon | scwizard: On a working system, I usually do something like: mount /dev/sde1 /target ; chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 00:04.27 | scwizard | then mount /dev/sde5 /usr gives "/dev/sde5 already mounted or /usr busy" |
| 00:04.29 | dwon | and then run "mount -a" from inside the chroot |
| 00:04.41 | dwon | scwizard: are you in a chroot environment? |
| 00:05.00 | Keith-BlindUser | If he's in a working ssytem, that might work.. |
| 00:05.05 | scwizard | I selected "execute a shell in /dev/sde1" |
| 00:05.06 | dwon | scwizard: something tells me that you misunderstand the installer environment, and making it worse |
| 00:05.10 | dwon | oh, ok |
| 00:05.17 | scwizard | so I did that |
| 00:05.25 | scwizard | I did "execute a shell in /dev/sde1" |
| 00:05.33 | scwizard | then I did "umount /usr" |
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| 00:05.45 | scwizard | and I got "/usr not mounted" |
| 00:05.48 | Keith-BlindUser | Just curious, just so the rest of us know, but are you working with stable/unstable/testing etc? That might help. |
| 00:05.49 | joar | "Irssi: warning SSL handshake failed: Success" |
| 00:05.54 | joar | wat |
| 00:06.00 | scwizard | then I did "mount /dev/sde5 /usr" |
| 00:06.08 | scwizard | and got "mount: /dev/sde5 already mounted or /usr busy" |
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| 00:06.36 | taxman | remount |
| 00:06.44 | scwizard | oh oh wait |
| 00:06.47 | scwizard | I screwed something up |
| 00:06.51 | Keith-BlindUser | Uhoh. |
| 00:06.53 | scwizard | let me get out of this silly chroot |
| 00:07.14 | scwizard | before I did a shell in the installer enviroment and mounted /usr someplace silly |
| 00:07.16 | taxman | i used 'remount' to load my pathetic linux into the ram |
| 00:07.18 | scwizard | now I need to undo that |
| 00:07.58 | taxman | who is using your /usr? |
| 00:08.08 | scwizard | I was just ignore that /usr nonsense |
| 00:08.15 | scwizard | it was me being dumb |
| 00:08.22 | dwon | scwizard: Rather than choosing "Execute a shell in /dev/sda1", did you try "Reinstall GRUB boot loader"? |
| 00:09.06 | scwizard | yeah it was the first thing I tried |
| 00:09.06 | scwizard | let me try it again |
| 00:09.06 | scwizard | it might work now |
| 00:09.06 | dwon | oh, heh. that fails |
| 00:09.11 | scwizard | ok it works now |
| 00:09.19 | scwizard | I reinstalled grub on /dev/sde |
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| 00:09.31 | Keith-BlindUser | Haha..well that's cool. So Grub was your problem? |
| 00:09.49 | dwon | ah, the installer's a bit weird |
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| 00:10.14 | dwon | if you do the billions-of-partitions thing, the "reinstall GRUB boot loader" menu option doesn't work (GREAT!) |
| 00:10.29 | Keith-BlindUser | I haven't ever had to play with the installation system for Debian, as the server I work with always uses network installations, and thus, once done is ready to boot with Grub, etc. So no mounting problems, etc to speak of. |
| 00:10.52 | dwon | you have to run the chroot shell, then run "umount -a" (to clear the mtab, which lies), then run "mount -a" (to actually mount the filesystems), and then you can run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 00:11.02 | scwizard | yeah I did something like that |
| 00:11.04 | scwizard | now it worked |
| 00:11.09 | scwizard | now ima reboot the system |
| 00:11.12 | Keith-BlindUser | Heh |
| 00:11.15 | dwon | aaand that still doesn't work, because something's read-only |
| 00:11.16 | Keith-BlindUser | Sounds like quite a lot of work. |
| 00:11.25 | Keith-BlindUser | Lets just hope your reboot goes well. |
| 00:11.27 | dwon | I always just install "everything on one partition", so I've never noticed |
| 00:11.40 | Keith-BlindUser | gwillen: Why everything on one partition? |
| 00:11.44 | Keith-BlindUser | Oops |
| 00:11.55 | Keith-BlindUser | think I meant another user.. |
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| 00:12.21 | dwon | because it's the simplest, it's the easiest to resize, and I never end up with the condition where I'm out of space on one partition and have lots free on another |
| 00:12.42 | dwon | Another advantage, apparently, is that the installer isn't broken when you do that |
| 00:13.06 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah. |
| 00:13.07 | dwon | Also, if you do it on LVM, and you leave a little free space on the volume group, you can do live snapshot backups |
| 00:13.25 | Keith-BlindUser | LVm is awesome indeed for that type of thing. |
| 00:13.41 | scwizard | so what now? |
| 00:13.45 | scwizard | reinstall with one partition and lvm |
| 00:13.47 | scwizard | and it'll work? |
| 00:14.01 | scwizard | or fiddle with the rescue installer some more? |
| 00:14.21 | scwizard | ima do the former |
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| 00:14.26 | dwon | scwizard: if you haven't done anything with the system yet, that's probably a good idea. full-disk encryption would be good, too. |
| 00:14.26 | Keith-BlindUser | That's up to you. Any important data on the system? |
| 00:14.32 | scwizard | I'm not sure if I even want /home to be the only install with actual room on it |
| 00:14.40 | scwizard | nty to full disk encryption |
| 00:15.02 | scwizard | ecryptfs CVE-2011-1831 Race condition allowing local privilege escalation |
| 00:15.10 | dwon | no, not ecryptfs |
| 00:15.11 | scwizard | that sorta thing |
| 00:15.17 | Keith-BlindUser | If you have anything you must keep on the system as it stands, why not back it up first? |
| 00:15.19 | dwon | dmcrypt |
| 00:15.31 | Keith-BlindUser | You can probably use the installation CD or whatever you're using to do this. |
| 00:15.57 | scwizard | hmm fine I guess I will |
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| 00:16.58 | Keith-BlindUser | As to if you should just reinstall right away, that's as I say kind of up to you. See what's important, save it somewhere, then if you want try a reinstallation, wich hopefully should, work just fine. |
| 00:17.11 | dwon | Keith-BlindUser: I think it's a fresh install, right scwizard |
| 00:17.13 | Keith-BlindUser | That's my recommendation. |
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| 00:17.25 | tidux | I'm having a problem with reportbug |
| 00:17.29 | tidux | it's not mailing my bug reports |
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| 00:17.53 | scwizard | yeah |
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| 00:18.02 | tidux | hmm |
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| 00:18.08 | tidux | looks like a delivery failure |
| 00:18.08 | dwon | scwizard: "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" <-- full disk encryption |
| 00:18.18 | dwon | and then "All files in one partition" |
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| 00:19.20 | dwon | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/newyears-resolution-full-disk-encryption-every-computer-you-own |
| 00:19.42 | scwizard | oh great, by doing that it forces me to do a full format of the thing |
| 00:19.50 | garo | there are so many updated packages in wheezy today, any special reason ? |
| 00:19.51 | scwizard | which is gonna take foreverrrrrrr cause it's 400GB IDE |
| 00:20.06 | dwon | scwizard: It does? Oh, it does. Heh. |
| 00:20.13 | scwizard | it's still a 0% :( |
| 00:20.20 | scwizard | time for minecraft! |
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| 00:20.25 | dwon | lol |
| 00:20.34 | dwon | I'm addicted to that game |
| 00:21.02 | taxman | i won't play flash or java or online games |
| 00:21.12 | taxman | html5 games are the future |
| 00:21.37 | dwon | taxman: did you see the Mozilla html5 game? |
| 00:22.00 | taxman | yes |
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| 00:22.20 | taxman | there is new one on news |
| 00:22.23 | dwon | oh, apparently there are a bunch. I was talking about the MMO with the meme references |
| 00:22.34 | taxman | mozilla quest something |
| 00:22.48 | dwon | found it: BrowserQuest |
| 00:22.52 | taxman | oh |
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| 00:23.01 | dwon | http://browserquest.mozilla.org/ |
| 00:23.04 | taxman | i don't play yet |
| 00:23.18 | taxman | maybe i will try it at 5 years later |
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| 00:30.22 | DJSKiDD | hey all |
| 00:30.59 | DJSKiDD | i want to install debian to my netbook |
| 00:31.11 | DJSKiDD | and I have a question: |
| 00:31.18 | DJSKiDD | do I really need all 50 CDs? |
| 00:31.23 | dvs | no |
| 00:31.26 | beder | no |
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| 00:31.34 | beder | first dvd should be fine |
| 00:31.35 | DJSKiDD | just CD1? |
| 00:31.40 | dvs | yup |
| 00:31.46 | DJSKiDD | awesome |
| 00:31.51 | beder | unless you want kde |
| 00:31.57 | dvs | ????? |
| 00:31.59 | DJSKiDD | nah, GNOME is fine |
| 00:32.13 | beder | dvs, kde is on dvd2 isn't it? |
| 00:32.18 | DJSKiDD | it is GNOME, right> |
| 00:32.19 | DJSKiDD | ? |
| 00:32.34 | dvs | beder: you can download KDE after the basics are installed |
| 00:32.44 | beder | yes gnome it's the default |
| 00:33.03 | DJSKiDD | and I already know about Mixxx (which I will need) |
| 00:33.08 | DJSKiDD | Skype should work |
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| 00:33.46 | beder | dvs, right, I like to have everything I need at hand on install, so I assume everyone else does... my mistake |
| 00:34.37 | beder | I think I still have some Slackware mentality left |
| 00:34.55 | dvs | beder: Personally, I'd rather get the basics working then add the things you want afterwards |
| 00:35.08 | dwon | beder: heh. I remember when we had to do that. :) |
| 00:35.23 | dwon | beder: got your video timings set up yet? ;) |
| 00:35.34 | beder | heh |
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| 00:35.49 | beder | just having mouse middle button working right from start is a huge step forward |
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| 00:36.25 | beder | good'ol' xorg.conf |
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| 00:37.38 | dwon | you mean XF86Config ? |
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| 00:55.23 | beder | dwon: sure, xf86config is what you used to easily right to xorg.conf |
| 00:55.31 | beder | *right -> write |
| 00:55.42 | dwon | no, the file itself used to be called /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 00:56.05 | dwon | back before the XFree86 license change caused everyone to jump to Xorg |
| 00:56.34 | beder | hmm |
| 00:56.39 | beder | I didn't use Debian back then |
| 00:58.28 | beder | what year are you talking abou? |
| 00:58.38 | beder | I started with Slackware 8 |
| 00:58.51 | beder | and it was already using /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:59.17 | beder | so that's the one I first struggled with :-) |
| 00:59.36 | beder | perhaps you're from even older times |
| 00:59.51 | dwon | The XFree86 license change happened in 2004 |
| 00:59.57 | dwon | by then, X was auto-detecting most stuff |
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| 01:00.13 | dwon | What was XFree86 4.4 |
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| 01:01.36 | dwon | Back when there was XFree86 3, you had to manually configure all your video hardware. There were separate tools that would prompt you for your monitor's maximum resolution, etc., but it just wrote a config file that sometimes didn't work |
| 01:02.03 | dwon | I started using Slackware in 1998, then switched to RedHat and was probably using Debian by 1999 |
| 01:02.26 | dwon | holy crap, that was a while ago |
| 01:02.35 | beder | yep, in 1998 I actually had 11 years old |
| 01:03.02 | beder | I think I was playing simpsons on windows 3.11 in a very old black and white hanniken (or something like that) laptop |
| 01:03.07 | dwon | I was 15. :) |
| 01:03.29 | dwon | nice |
| 01:03.59 | dwon | I remember Windows 3.1, although I didn't use it that much. |
| 01:04.14 | beder | it was I had at that time, even though windows 95 and 98 were already out |
| 01:04.25 | beder | darker times from technology here in Brazil |
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| 01:05.30 | dwon | At school, we mostly had DOS machines running Novell NetWare. At home, I had a Tandy CoCo 3, followed by an Amiga which I had until high school (oh man, I was spoiled!). |
| 01:05.40 | beder | lol |
| 01:05.42 | beder | really |
| 01:05.46 | beder | I never had an Amiga |
| 01:05.52 | dwon | Then I got a PC running Windows 95 B. I upgraded it to Win98, was disappointed, and installed Slackware 3.5 |
| 01:05.58 | beder | I think that's an american/european thing, we didn't have that stuff here in the south |
| 01:06.03 | dwon | So I only was a DOS/Win user at home for about a year |
| 01:06.06 | dwon | ever |
| 01:06.15 | beder | I always dual-booted |
| 01:06.16 | dwon | as my main OS, anyway |
| 01:06.29 | beder | first because I lived with my mother, and then girlfriend |
| 01:06.36 | dwon | I dual-booted for a little while, but then I got Quake running under Linux, so there was no longer any need :) |
| 01:06.44 | beder | ohh yeah, quakeworld... |
| 01:06.56 | beder | with the mods to make the textures look oh so nice |
| 01:07.15 | dwon | I played the original Team Fortress. :) |
| 01:07.21 | beder | nice! |
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| 01:07.40 | dwon | Probably the most popular map was "the one called 2 forts" - 2fort5r.bsp |
| 01:07.46 | beder | haha |
| 01:07.52 | beder | that's a painful map on TF2 |
| 01:08.02 | dwon | it exists in TF2? |
| 01:08.07 | beder | 2fort, yes |
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| 01:08.27 | dwon | oh yeah, it looks similar |
| 01:08.33 | scwizard | this time the rescue menu didn't give me reinstall grub :/ |
| 01:09.00 | dwon | grub didn't install again? |
| 01:09.05 | beder | you debian guys and you grub, what's wrong with LILO anyway :-) |
| 01:09.15 | dwon | you actually can still install lilo |
| 01:09.24 | dwon | I think |
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| 01:09.34 | beder | I started using Debian 2 months ago, for my monography |
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| 01:10.02 | scwizard | oh because I choose not to install it |
| 01:10.04 | scwizard | like an idiot |
| 01:10.05 | scwizard | :/ |
| 01:10.11 | dwon | heh |
| 01:10.17 | beder | I'll be implementing some distributed file systems (hadoop, ceph, lustre), and figured it would be easier to have the packages ready instead of compiling from the source |
| 01:10.19 | scwizard | bleh |
| 01:10.28 | scwizard | well at least it lead to a different error than the one I got last time |
| 01:10.43 | beder | will have harder things to worry with than to struggle with implementing them |
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| 01:11.57 | beder | scwizard: share your error with us :-) |
| 01:12.17 | beder | I'm bored anyway, the beer is running out, won't hurt to try and help |
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| 01:14.03 | scwizard | well I'm trying to install grub right now |
| 01:14.16 | beder | is it in a VM or a different machine? |
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| 01:15.10 | dwon | beder: he did a fresh install, but for some reason grub either didn't get installed or it got installed to the wrong place, and rescue mode apparently doesn't like the "separate partitions" mode |
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| 01:15.27 | dwon | beder: so he reinstalled using LVM + dm-crypt and one big filesystem |
| 01:16.02 | beder | I guess he's not installed grub to the MBR |
| 01:16.06 | beder | *installing |
| 01:16.11 | beder | anything wrong with that? |
| 01:16.23 | beder | I always installed LILO/grub to the MBR and never had nay problems |
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| 01:17.07 | dwon | beder: scwizard claims that's exactly what he already did |
| 01:17.17 | beder | well.. should work then |
| 01:17.23 | dwon | that's what I said |
| 01:17.24 | scwizard | yeah but I screwed up and didn't install grub |
| 01:17.30 | scwizard | so now I'm going to reinstall and make sure to install grub this time |
| 01:17.37 | beder | you mean you clicked the wrong button? |
| 01:17.42 | dwon | hold on a few mins |
| 01:18.33 | beder | can't you boot with the install CD, go through the graphical screens and stuff and skip directly to the boot loader part? |
| 01:18.59 | beder | then the installer would detect your linux partition and ask to install grub again |
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| 01:19.04 | beder | I'm guessing though |
| 01:19.04 | dvs | better yet, rescue mode |
| 01:19.07 | somiaj | yes, though I prefer just opening another console, alt-f2 -- mount your root file system, dev/ and proc/ inside then chroot into it. |
| 01:19.21 | dwon | scwizard: so when I install using rescue mode it prompts me: "Passphrase for /dev/sda5". Did you get anything like that? |
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| 01:19.41 | scwizard | yeah and I shelled into the enviroment I installed, I even apt-get installed grub |
| 01:19.42 | dwon | and then choose /dev/debian/root as the root filesystem |
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| 01:19.53 | scwizard | but everything was all wierd, so I'm just going to reinstall |
| 01:19.55 | dwon | heh. no "reinstall grub" option |
| 01:20.00 | scwizard | I apt-get installed grub |
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| 01:20.02 | scwizard | then I typed "grub" |
| 01:20.04 | scwizard | and it's like "not found" |
| 01:20.40 | dwon | well, the command it grub-install |
| 01:20.42 | dwon | there is no "grub" command |
| 01:20.44 | beder | I do'nt think there's a "grub" command |
| 01:21.01 | beder | root@debian:~# grub- |
| 01:21.01 | beder | grub-bin2h grub-kbdcomp grub-mkfont grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 grub-ntldr-img grub-set-default |
| 01:21.01 | beder | grub-editenv grub-menulst2cfg grub-mkimage grub-mkrelpath grub-probe grub-setup |
| 01:21.01 | beder | grub-fstest grub-mkconfig grub-mklayout grub-mkrescue grub-reboot |
| 01:21.01 | beder | grub-install grub-mkdevicemap grub-mknetdir grub-mount grub-script-check |
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| 01:21.16 | dwon | mount /boot ; grub-install /dev/sda |
| 01:21.17 | scwizard | ooo |
| 01:21.18 | scwizard | I see |
| 01:21.18 | beder | oops |
| 01:21.18 | dwon | ^ worked for me |
| 01:21.20 | scwizard | DOH |
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| 01:22.15 | dwon | Hah! and once I do that, it gives me the "Reinstall GRUB boot loader" option |
| 01:22.18 | beder | tabbing doesn't work on rescue mode? (honest question) |
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| 01:22.22 | dwon | like it need it now |
| 01:22.29 | dwon | beder: it should |
| 01:23.35 | beder | ohh I have a question... I noted that debian has this neat auto-complete for commands |
| 01:23.39 | beder | what package is that? |
| 01:23.52 | dwon | dammit, Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't come out until near the end of the month. I'm running 10.10 on my desktop, kinda hating it, and I want to try the upgrade so that I can decide whether I want to wipe it and switch back to Debian |
| 01:24.02 | beder | like on apt-get upd<tab> it gives you "update" |
| 01:24.18 | dwon | beder: oh, that kind of tabbing. It probably doesn't work |
| 01:24.20 | beder | or java <tab><tab><tab> it even separates folders with "." |
| 01:24.30 | dwon | beder: I thought you meant using tab to navigate the menus, for some reason |
| 01:24.31 | beder | right, but what does that? |
| 01:24.36 | beder | yeah, that's what I originally meant |
| 01:24.37 | dwon | bash-completion, I think |
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| 01:24.42 | beder | I went off-topic now bnecause I rememberd that |
| 01:24.59 | beder | hmm |
| 01:24.59 | Keith-BlindUser | dwon: Isn't Debian better than Ubuntu generally? And don't ask me why they aren't coming out iwth 12.04 until later. I still think, that when the next stable release is made, Debian will have far better package versions than Ubuntu. |
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| 01:25.18 | beder | oh I remember some guys doing a port of "back-completion" for slackware |
| 01:25.22 | beder | so it really works hu |
| 01:25.26 | beder | I always figured it was garbage |
| 01:25.29 | Keith-BlindUser | My thoughts at least. Look at how mnay versions in the present 10.04 LTS releases they are behind on Apache2 for instance. |
| 01:25.32 | dwon | Keith-BlindUser: I switched to Ubuntu because I happened to be reinstalling anyway (upgrade from i386 to amd64), and everyone was saying how Ubuntu was all the rage |
| 01:25.36 | dwon | this was before Unity |
| 01:25.47 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah |
| 01:25.56 | dwon | My server's still running Debian |
| 01:27.09 | beder | I've seen people talking good things about Mint, what you think of that? |
| 01:27.21 | beder | is it similar to Ubuntu on it's ease-of-use or does KDE spoils everything? |
| 01:27.23 | Keith-BlindUser | Not sure, as I haven't tried using it. |
| 01:27.34 | beder | I'm a KDE kind of guy, so I'm biased |
| 01:27.36 | dwon | Don't they just ship random proprietary drivers and possibly-illegal codecs? |
| 01:27.44 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm a bit concerned with installation accessibility such as teh Speakup kernel extention for Linux for textual console access. |
| 01:27.48 | beder | I don't have problems with proprietary |
| 01:28.01 | beder | using Opera as we speak |
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| 01:28.15 | Keith-BlindUser | I know that in the next stable release, Debian's installer will, at long last, have oficial support for Speakup, and software speech, as an option in the isntallation program. |
| 01:28.15 | beder | actually ON Opera to connect to iRC |
| 01:28.34 | dwon | Some proprietary user-space stuff is fine (some also sucks), but proprietary *drivers* are always buggy crap, from what I've seen. |
| 01:28.41 | dwon | and they never get fixed, unlike FOSS drivers |
| 01:28.49 | Keith-BlindUser | Yeah. |
| 01:28.52 | beder | I think the only proprietary driver I had to use is nvidia's |
| 01:29.04 | beder | which is like the exception, because it's awesome |
| 01:29.08 | beder | IMO |
| 01:29.10 | Keith-BlindUser | Just chuck your card for an Intel mobile, or something that probably has OpenSource. :D |
| 01:29.12 | dwon | no, I have the same problems with their drivers |
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| 01:29.43 | beder | yeah my current laptop is all intel onboard |
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| 01:29.46 | Keith-BlindUser | Not sure if the Intel cards have FOS drivers or not, actually. |
| 01:30.01 | dwon | if I was going to deal with nvidia cards, I'd run nouveau |
| 01:30.17 | dwon | but really, I just don't buy nvidia hardware because I don't like to support them |
| 01:30.34 | dwon | they were the company that basically started the trend toward not disclosing how their video cards worked |
| 01:30.59 | dwon | so they can fuck off, as far as I'm concerned. |
| 01:31.14 | beder | I gotta admit, I always used Linux because I thought it worked better, I never really worried about philosophy and what-not |
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| 01:31.25 | dwon | They're basically the reason why Linux 3D video is 5 years behind everyone else. |
| 01:31.56 | scwizard | grub-install /dev/sde |
| 01:31.59 | beder | hell, I have an oracle course going on, and they are some son'of'a'bitches |
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| 01:32.09 | scwizard | gives "error: no such disk. Auto detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/hostname failed. |
| 01:32.12 | dwon | The philosophy isn't just some high-minded ideals. I apparently do a lot of uncommon things with my machines, and I've had nothing but problems with proprietary drivers, including nvidia's |
| 01:32.29 | beder | really... that's good to know |
| 01:32.35 | scwizard | however when I go to chose a root filesystem, I have /dev/sde1, /dev/sde2, /dev/sde5, /dev/mapper/sde5_crypt |
| 01:32.37 | beder | I never really had any problems with them |
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| 01:32.48 | scwizard | /dev/hostname/root, /dev/hostname/swap_1 |
| 01:33.01 | scwizard | so how can there be no such disk as /dev/sde?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/ |
| 01:33.17 | dwon | They also suffer from NIH syndrome. Instead of using the usual Linux subsystems or X11 frameworks, they roll their own incompatible versions, so as soon as the infrastructure upgrades, their drivers don't. |
| 01:33.31 | beder | scwizard: what appears when you do "df" ? |
| 01:33.50 | scwizard | beder, cannot read talbe of moutned file system: input/output error |
| 01:34.01 | beder | what's in your /etc/fstab? |
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| 01:34.18 | dwon | scwizard: Just run "fdisk -l" |
| 01:34.40 | beder | ohh that looks too dwon :-) |
| 01:34.48 | scwizard | beder, a bunch of stuff do I really have to transcribe it all |
| 01:34.51 | scwizard | dwon, I wil ltry that |
| 01:35.03 | dwon | scwizard: if you have a camera, you could upload a photo somewhere |
| 01:35.09 | dwon | scwizard: how old is your hard drive? |
| 01:35.19 | scwizard | dunno |
| 01:35.32 | scwizard | fdisk -l gave me a bunch of text |
| 01:35.45 | dwon | "fdisk -l" lists all the partition tables it can find |
| 01:35.48 | scwizard | yes |
| 01:35.54 | beder | and on thsi bunch of text, what do you have on /dev/sdx ? |
| 01:36.01 | dwon | what about "ls /dev/mapper/" |
| 01:36.01 | scwizard | /dev/dm-0 /dev/dm-1 /dev/dm-2 |
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| 01:36.16 | beder | nothing like: |
| 01:36.32 | beder | ./dev/sda1 2048 206847 102400 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
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| 01:36.52 | beder | ./dev/sda3 * 502048768 619242942 58597087+ 83 Linux |
| 01:36.59 | scwizard | beder, no, however I'm on /dev/sde |
| 01:37.04 | dwon | is there anything that ends in -root ? |
| 01:37.04 | scwizard | more percisely |
| 01:37.17 | dwon | beder: this is encrypted LVM |
| 01:37.18 | scwizard | /dev/hostname/root |
| 01:37.25 | beder | oh, ok |
| 01:37.30 | beder | I never used that |
| 01:37.34 | beder | I'll have to refrain |
| 01:37.40 | beder | that sucks :( |
| 01:37.47 | scwizard | dwon, I have control, hostname-root hostname-swap_1 sde5_crypt |
| 01:38.00 | dwon | ok. Are you in the chroot? |
| 01:38.13 | dwon | I'm a bit lost as to where you are right now |
| 01:39.36 | scwizard | dwon, yes |
| 01:39.41 | scwizard | I'm in the chroot |
| 01:39.54 | dwon | and you haven't installed grub yet, right? |
| 01:40.02 | scwizard | inside the chroot I installed grub |
| 01:40.13 | dwon | what did you run? |
| 01:40.18 | scwizard | then I did grub-install /dev/sde |
| 01:40.30 | scwizard | and I got: cannot read table of moutned file systems, IO error |
| 01:40.33 | scwizard | df gives the same message |
| 01:40.39 | dwon | ok, hold on |
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| 01:43.12 | dwon | do you get an error when you run: |
| 01:43.14 | dwon | cat /proc/self/mountinfo |
| 01:43.44 | scwizard | dwon, ext2 /dev/hostname/root rw error=continue |
| 01:43.58 | dwon | is /boot mounted? |
| 01:44.03 | scwizard | dwon, no |
| 01:44.06 | dwon | type mount /boot |
| 01:44.12 | dwon | then re-run grub-install |
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| 01:44.18 | scwizard | hostname/root tmpfs proc sysfs |
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| 01:46.19 | scwizard | dwon, can't open /etc/mtab for writing: IO error |
| 01:46.35 | scwizard | cat /etc/mtab IO error |
| 01:46.39 | dwon | sounds like your hard disk isn't doing so well |
| 01:46.44 | scwizard | can't stat /etc/mtab IO error |
| 01:46.46 | dwon | try mount -n /boot |
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| 01:47.07 | scwizard | ok it seems to be mounted |
| 01:47.10 | scwizard | but it complained a bit |
| 01:47.24 | scwizard | what argument do I pass to grub install? |
| 01:47.26 | scwizard | /dev/sde5? |
| 01:47.29 | dwon | /dev/sde |
| 01:47.45 | dwon | grub-install /dev/sde |
| 01:47.45 | beder | grub-install --now --ignore-errors --stop-fucking-around |
| 01:47.52 | dwon | lol |
| 01:47.54 | scwizard | "installation finished, no error reported" |
| 01:48.23 | beder | "no news is good news" |
| 01:48.31 | dwon | about that IO error. run this: dmesg |
| 01:48.50 | dwon | it should spew a bunch of log messages, but I'm interested in the IO errors. What kind of IO errors are they? |
| 01:48.53 | dwon | usually it says |
| 01:49.07 | dwon | I suspect your hard drive might be dying |
| 01:49.07 | scwizard | dmesg | grep IO gives |
| 01:49.36 | scwizard | nothing about errors |
| 01:49.38 | scwizard | \o.o/ |
| 01:49.53 | dwon | I wouldn't use grep. It's at the bottom of the log, and the errors are multiple lines, and I don't think they actually say "IO" in them |
| 01:50.10 | dwon | just let the whole thing spew and then use Shift-PGUP and Shift-PGDN to scroll |
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| 01:50.13 | beder | and there should be errors, dmesg gives you a history and not current stuff |
| 01:50.27 | beder | it's a log |
| 01:50.54 | scwizard | beder, I didn't go over every line, I will though if I continue to have problems |
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| 01:51.40 | beder | what now? |
| 01:51.48 | beder | reboot and test? |
| 01:51.52 | Arafangion | Stupid screen. If the computer turns the display off... The screen uses MORE power. |
| 01:51.53 | dwon | scwizard: I suggest once you get your system booting, install the "smartmontools" and then run "smartctl -a /dev/sde" and look for the overall health |
| 01:51.56 | beder | I'm curious for you :-) |
| 01:52.21 | dwon | Arafangion: wtf? |
| 01:52.44 | dwon | yup, once grub is installed, you should be able to just type "reboot" |
| 01:53.00 | Arafangion | dwon: Yeah, the only rationale I can think of is that it's actively trying to determine which input now has a signal, and to display a fairly stupid box on the screen to check the signal. |
| 01:53.07 | scwizard | dwon: nope ;_; |
| 01:53.25 | dwon | scwizard: yeah, if you're already getting IO errors, you've got a hardware problem, I suspect |
| 01:54.15 | scwizard | dwon, so you think it would work with a different hard drive? |
| 01:54.24 | dwon | scwizard: yeah, probably |
| 01:54.42 | dwon | Arafangion: My Samsung LCD monitor is so awesome. If you use a resolution other than 1920x1080, it displays a helpful box saying "not optimal resolution". Then, after about 30 seconds, it blacks out the screen and moves that box around |
| 01:54.43 | Arafangion | tries xset -dpms |
| 01:54.56 | Arafangion | dwon: I have the same. |
| 01:55.01 | dwon | if you press the button to dismiss that box, it *STILL* blacks out the screen |
| 01:55.10 | dwon | really irritating when you're trying to debug things like scwizard is |
| 01:55.23 | Arafangion | dwon: It displays that message too, despite the fact I *am* using that resolution, but slightly slower refresh rate. :( |
| 01:55.46 | dwon | oh, yeah, I find you have to use the reduced blanking interval on most LCDs |
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| 01:56.06 | Arafangion | dwon: It's crap. |
| 01:56.15 | Arafangion | dwon: The things don't even have vesa mounts, either. |
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| 01:58.06 | scwizard | dwon, I will try another HD |
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| 01:59.35 | dwon | oh wait, the reduced blanking interval is a different thing. I have a different monitor that used to auto-detect the wrong resolution. It was actually the right resolution, but it sampled and scaled anyway, so it looked like crap |
| 01:59.36 | dwon | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=516471 |
| 02:00.03 | dwon | Arafangion: mine (Samsung) does, at least |
| 02:00.14 | dwon | or it has some holes. No idea if the dimensions are right |
| 02:00.20 | Arafangion | dwon: Mine seems to have a samsung-specific backing plate. |
| 02:00.42 | dwon | Arafangion: can it be removed to expose VESA mounts? |
| 02:02.17 | Arafangion | dwon: The holes are too far apart, and the rest of the plastic gets in the way of the mounts. |
| 02:02.30 | dwon | yay |
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| 02:05.31 | Arafangion | dwon: It's times like this when I wish I just bought Dell. |
| 02:06.39 | dwon | Arafangion: Are they worth it? I always saw brand-name computers as just an extra expense with no real benefit (well, a phone number that I'll never call), but the last time I actually checked that assumption was sometime in the early 2000s. |
| 02:08.43 | Arafangion | dwon: They're convenient. |
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| 02:09.52 | Arafangion | dwon: And increasonly, the only way to get decent value for form factors you actually want. For example, if you want a "mini" computer, Dell, Shuttle, and Apple are the only real contenders, and even there, Apple *kills* the market. |
| 02:10.26 | Arafangion | dwon: Although, I'm Australian, if you're European or American, you can probably get far cheaper parts prices. |
| 02:11.29 | Arafangion | Which reminds me... |
| 02:11.49 | Arafangion | Debian People! How nicely does Debian work on an Apple MacBook Air? |
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| 02:12.20 | Arafangion | Or am I better of virtualising it... |
| 02:12.49 | dwon | I find that when you virtualize, you lose a lot of the "feel" of the OS. |
| 02:13.06 | Arafangion | dwon: Unless you run it full-screen. |
| 02:13.14 | dwon | yeah, I suppose |
| 02:14.12 | dwon | If I had a MacBook Air, I'd run Debian on it, but I probably wouldn't buy one to run Debian on. They have nvidia video, don't they? |
| 02:14.17 | Arafangion | I'm torn between sub-optimal drivers, virtualisation, or just sucking it up and forgetting about Debian, making do with the native system. It does, after all, have a decent dev environment and X11. |
| 02:14.43 | Arafangion | dwon: Intel HD Graphics, which is promising. :) |
| 02:14.49 | dwon | oh, that could be good |
| 02:15.12 | dwon | I use a Mac at work. It's okay, but the command-line is suboptimal, and the X11 support is kinda buggy |
| 02:15.15 | Arafangion | dwon: It might not boot linux though by default. |
| 02:15.39 | Arafangion | dwon: Have you tried homebrew? THe X11 support is known to be buggy, but it's usable. :( |
| 02:15.51 | dwon | I've been using MacPorts |
| 02:16.33 | dwon | It's usable, but there are things about the UI that I really miss. Like holding down Alt and then dragging to move/resize the window. |
| 02:16.37 | Arafangion | The latest thing is homebrew. |
| 02:16.52 | Arafangion | dwon: Oh, so you're not running X11 full-screen. |
| 02:17.00 | Arafangion | dwon: Try... What's the name... |
| 02:17.02 | dwon | There's a thing for OSX called "Zooom/2", which I bought, but there's a race condition so it doesn't actually work nicely |
| 02:17.16 | beder | honest, what's the point of using a Mac to run Linux? won't be just an overpriced hardware? |
| 02:17.18 | Arafangion | infinite-labs.net/afloat/ |
| 02:17.29 | dwon | beder: nice form factor; that's about it |
| 02:17.38 | beder | the whole point of a mac is to run os x, I think |
| 02:17.54 | dwon | beder: I know someone who installed Debian (or maybe it was Ubuntu) on a Mac Mini in order to have a portable server |
| 02:18.02 | Arafangion | beder: Nice form factor with Core7, and you have a system that can literally run *any* modern consumer OS. |
| 02:18.26 | beder | ok then |
| 02:18.26 | Arafangion | Oh, and yeah... Apple has the whole market when it comes to mac mini's. |
| 02:18.33 | Arafangion | Dell comes second... But it's not as small. |
| 02:18.42 | beder | I guess I've always seen the whole point of Mac as an overpriced hardware to run OS X |
| 02:18.52 | dwon | Arafangion: I think the race condition thing is inherent to the OS, though. There's no "grab" on OSX like there is in X11 |
| 02:19.14 | Arafangion | dwon: Ask about in #macdev, one of the guys there works on AFloat. |
| 02:19.29 | Arafangion | beder: Some of their hardware is *massively*, and stupidly overpriced. |
| 02:19.43 | Arafangion | beder: But their laptops and mini's are very well priced, at least in the Australian market. |
| 02:19.51 | dwon | I'll try it when I go back to work, but I don't ever see myself switching to OSX as a primary OS. |
| 02:20.03 | dwon | at best, I might buy a mac mini and use that for movies or something |
| 02:20.23 | dwon | but every time I think of doing that, I look at the prices and think about what I could get instead |
| 02:20.31 | Arafangion | dwon: Well, as a dev, it'd be nice having access to one - remote access, even, for compiling a mac app. |
| 02:20.42 | Arafangion | brb |
| 02:20.48 | dwon | Arafangion: I just tell people "patches welcome" :) |
| 02:21.16 | beder | Arafangion: yeah here in brazil a mac is at least three times the price of an equivalent pc |
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| 02:21.24 | dwon | There are some PyCrypto build issues on OSX that people have reported, if you want to look at them: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pycrypto/+bugs |
| 02:21.26 | beder | go brazil >-; |
| 02:21.29 | beder | :-/ |
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| 02:21.40 | djskidd | hello |
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| 02:22.01 | djskidd | so I am now installing debian |
| 02:22.05 | dwon | yay! |
| 02:22.17 | djskidd | i hope it is much better than Windows 7 |
| 02:22.42 | djskidd | well, it's Linux. Of course it's better |
| 02:23.04 | djskidd | mmm, lies |
| 02:23.04 | dwon | unless you want to run Silverlight ;P |
| 02:23.10 | dwon | which you don't |
| 02:23.11 | xio21 | we are using our ISP to relay mail for a co-located server. just don't feel like setting up smtp on the server itself. unfortunately our ISP is horrible and ends up on spam lists constantly. any suggestions for a cheap/free smtp relay? |
| 02:24.18 | dwon | xio21: You could sign up for a fastmail.fm account, and then just use their relay |
| 02:24.27 | dwon | xio21: or get a VPS and host one yourself |
| 02:24.45 | xio21 | dwon: we already have a VPS- the point is to avoid setting up our own SMTP. |
| 02:25.24 | djskidd | I hope that my network adapter will work |
| 02:25.27 | dwon | xio21: eh? apt-get install postfix, add yourself to mynetworks, and problem solved |
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| 02:25.36 | dwon | xio21: it's like a 20-minute job |
| 02:26.11 | xio21 | :) I'm sure it it is. i'm hoping for a 2 minute job. i'm insanely busy. run a small and growing company. |
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| 02:26.41 | dwon | xio21: You've already spent more than 2 minutes on IRC... |
| 02:27.01 | beder | look out for the dot com boom |
| 02:27.21 | dwon | I work for a similarly small and growing company. We tried the outsourcing thing, and it sucked up a ton of my time |
| 02:27.25 | xio21 | tell me about it... i found a 2 minute solution before. why not again? |
| 02:27.36 | ThinkRob | beder: :D |
| 02:27.47 | Arafangion | beder: Here... It's probably only 0.25% more expensive than an equivalent system, unless you compare it to a cheap, crappy 'netbook' that has a crap CPU. |
| 02:27.49 | xio21 | dwon: i didn't say it was the right think to do. i think you are right. i should do it right. but... time |
| 02:27.59 | dwon | We're currently using http://fastmail.fm for our individual accounts, and our servers still just relay through our own postfix box |
| 02:28.00 | Arafangion | beder: And the air's still thinner. |
| 02:28.13 | beder | Arafangion: yeah I have friends moving to the U.S., and they say it's WAY easier to get macs over there |
| 02:28.22 | xio21 | dwon: i think i'm going to do the fastmail.fm thing. thanks |
| 02:28.37 | Arafangion | beder: I suspect that's really all it gets down to. |
| 02:28.52 | dwon | If you're looking for a one-stop SMTP relay, they don't seem to exist. SendGrid would never bounce any email (it had its own web-based "errors" queue), and authsmtp had some weird whitelisting thing that completely broke mailing lists |
| 02:29.14 | Arafangion | beder: However you look at it, though, a Mac Pro (ie, their desktop), is a rediculously expensive machine. |
| 02:29.15 | xio21 | bender: can you even get a mac outside the us? Isn't Apple's market share like 99% US and one other country? |
| 02:29.32 | djskidd | graah, the mouse speed is too fast |
| 02:29.36 | Arafangion | xio21: Of course. |
| 02:29.38 | djskidd | can I slow it down after setup? |
| 02:29.44 | dwon | djskidd: yes |
| 02:29.55 | djskidd | good, that speed is horrible |
| 02:29.56 | beder | xio21: you can, but in my case it's expensive it's as expensive as fucking a top-notch whore |
| 02:30.01 | Arafangion | djskidd: The setup screen is probably a very low resolution, as well. |
| 02:30.01 | xio21 | bender: even Google's user base is like largely German and US if i recall. |
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| 02:30.26 | beder | xio21: everyone uses google in Brazil, and on whole europe too... I think you're biased for some weird reason |
| 02:30.36 | beder | also Argentina, Chile, all over america latina |
| 02:30.41 | beder | probably on India too |
| 02:30.55 | ThinkRob | My money's on the Mac Pro going away with the next refresh or so. |
| 02:31.03 | djskidd | Arafangion: Yeah, I guesstimate 800x600 |
| 02:31.05 | Arafangion | Australia, too, although Microsoft Bing seems to be making ingrounds. |
| 02:31.15 | Arafangion | ThinkRob: Lets hope. |
| 02:31.21 | ThinkRob | Apple really seems to be bailing on the pro market lately. |
| 02:31.24 | Arafangion | ThinkRob: The whole notion of a single-cpu xeon is stupid. |
| 02:31.28 | xio21 | beder: Macs are insanely expensive in the US too. I'm not sure how it compares though. Given that Europe has a 20% VAT built-into all purchases I can see where the price jump is though. The European market i think discourages spending vs the US which pushes spending |
| 02:31.53 | Arafangion | xio21: The US economy *depends* on spending. |
| 02:32.09 | djskidd | Can't wait till I'm 21. |
| 02:32.10 | dwon | Arafangion: not from Intel's point of view. They can sell their 4-core Xeons that have 3 defective cores. :) |
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| 02:32.19 | beder | xio21: lets say a regular PC here is the equivalent of U$1000,00. a Mac is the equivalent of U$4,000. realy. |
| 02:32.30 | djskidd | I hope to move to the UK at 21. |
| 02:32.30 | xio21 | beder: i'm not biased against google actually. i just recall some numbers (if you know what the numbers are i'd love to know) i read somewhere indicated Google's market share was mostly german and US. I could be confusing this with Apple. or something else though. |
| 02:32.35 | Arafangion | dwon: I forgot about that. :) |
| 02:32.56 | Arafangion | beder: Yikes. Considered importing it yourself? |
| 02:33.05 | beder | Arafangion: taxes are 60% |
| 02:33.16 | Arafangion | beder: Wow, that's high. |
| 02:33.21 | beder | Arafangion: plus the price of sending it |
| 02:33.26 | dwon | every economy depends on spending |
| 02:33.29 | Arafangion | beder: That tax is a killer. |
| 02:33.38 | beder | Arafangion: yes, it REALLY sucks |
| 02:33.43 | Arafangion | dwon: To very different amounts. Going to be interesting in Australia... People are saving more. |
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| 02:33.50 | beder | Arafangion: anything above U$300,00 gets taxed on 60$ |
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| 02:34.14 | Arafangion | beder: Oh, import taxes. Even so, that's high. |
| 02:34.34 | Arafangion | beder: Still, it could still be cheaper. |
| 02:35.05 | Arafangion | beder: I bought a vacuum the other day here, locally. I've calculated that, with the exchange rate and everything, the RRP here was 1.5 times the RRP there. :( |
| 02:35.13 | dwon | 60%, wtf? |
| 02:35.20 | beder | Arafangion: you have to consider the price to send it here too |
| 02:35.24 | dwon | Isn't there some sort of US-AUS free trade agreement? |
| 02:35.34 | beder | dwon: I'm in brazil... |
| 02:35.34 | Arafangion | dwon: beder isn't Australian. |
| 02:35.44 | dwon | oh |
| 02:36.01 | dwon | Is someone here from Australia? I'm getting everyone here confused. |
| 02:36.03 | Arafangion | beder: Yes, arguably, but I"m not flying the item down indivudually! Surely they could send it on the next airplane. |
| 02:36.07 | Arafangion | dwon: I am!!! |
| 02:36.34 | beder | Arafangion: well, I don't see anyone buying it like that here... so I guess it's not worth it |
| 02:36.38 | dwon | ah, ok |
| 02:36.45 | beder | Arafangion: what I do see is people having friends that are on the States to import it for them |
| 02:36.51 | beder | Arafangion: then you pay "only' the 60% tax |
| 02:37.09 | Arafangion | beder: There's a few very useful sites that give you a 'US Address'. |
| 02:37.36 | Arafangion | beder: comgateway.com, in particular. |
| 02:37.46 | beder | Arafangion: I heard of that... never looked into it though.. I guess I will ;) |
| 02:38.07 | Arafangion | beder: I can't remember how much it was, though - I got work to pay for whatever it was I got through that. :) |
| 02:38.25 | Arafangion | beder: Company would only ship to US addresses, though, which was why I used comgateway. |
| 02:38.26 | beder | heh |
| 02:38.31 | beder | I see |
| 02:38.38 | beder | I'm going to... get busy... for a while... |
| 02:38.41 | beder | be back in a few mins |
| 02:38.51 | Arafangion | beder: A while == a few minutes? |
| 02:38.56 | dwon | I don't know what enforcement is like, but It's probably still considered taxable. It might get stopped at the border if it's not properly declared. |
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| 02:39.08 | Arafangion | dwon: I think you still have to declare it, etc. |
| 02:39.08 | beder | isn't it? |
| 02:39.19 | Arafangion | dwon: And they do inspect the invoices, everything. |
| 02:39.23 | beder | yep |
| 02:39.45 | dwon | and with a 60% tax, I bet they can afford to check things pretty often... :( |
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| 02:40.02 | beder | also, they know what the package of a computer looks like |
| 02:40.16 | beder | so they go for those ones |
| 02:40.20 | Arafangion | Or things that probably have batteries. You have to declare them especially. |
| 02:40.41 | dwon | "hazardous materials"? |
| 02:40.44 | Arafangion | Yep. |
| 02:41.37 | dwon | Well, you could remove the battery. UNLESS IT'S AN APPLE PRODUCT. Hah! |
| 02:41.48 | Arafangion | beder: Incidentally... In Australia the income tax rate is 50%, unless you're a citizen, in which case it's means tested. |
| 02:42.07 | Arafangion | dwon: That'll be tricky for non-apple products, too. |
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| 02:42.31 | dwon | holy crap. Remind me never to work in Australia |
| 02:42.44 | Arafangion | dwon: Eg, my samsung phone was packaged *with* the battery, not in the phone itself, but good luck taking it out of teh packaging *before* shipping. |
| 02:43.25 | dwon | well, you could if it were being sent to a US address first; you could have them do it. But it's probably not worth it. |
| 02:43.48 | dwon | What does the average middle-income Australian pay in income tax, percent-wise? |
| 02:44.03 | Arafangion | dwon: Australia apparently has the most complicated tax system in the world. |
| 02:44.10 | Arafangion | dwon: The simple answer is: "It depends". |
| 02:44.18 | dwon | What do you pay? |
| 02:44.57 | Arafangion | dwon: My tax this year isn't representative, I managed to get the government to give me back $4k. :) |
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| 02:45.11 | djskidd | \o/ debian installed! |
| 02:45.24 | djskidd | now to install a huge ammount of aps |
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| 02:45.37 | Arafangion | dwon: In Australia, if you work for someone else, your employer will automatically withdraw tax. |
| 02:45.49 | dwon | Install ALL the packages!!</hyperbole*1.5> |
| 02:45.55 | dwon | (not really; you can't) |
| 02:45.57 | Arafangion | dwon: You then have to determine if that amount is correct and apply for a correction - and I use an accountant for that. |
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| 02:47.07 | Arafangion | dwon: I imagine that you might pay zero tax if you're earning $20k/year... Or 45% tax if say, earning $90k/year, but that first 20k is at zero percent, and so on. |
| 02:47.26 | Arafangion | dwon: And then there's all the tax rebates, of which there are a fair few. |
| 02:47.29 | nrdb | I have a wheezy armv5tel system... when I plug a usb device in it does not generate a /dev/hidraw? device .... :-( ... any ideas why? do I need a kernel module loaded? |
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| 02:47.51 | dwon | Arafangion: Sounds very similar to our system in Canada. |
| 02:48.10 | Arafangion | dwon: Interesting. |
| 02:48.14 | dwon | Arafangion: although I think we charge foreigners under more-or-less the same rules as citizens |
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| 02:48.45 | dwon | That's definitely the case for permanent residents. |
| 02:48.58 | Arafangion | dwon: We charge foreigners the maximum and then some, to (supposedly) cover medical expenses to the economy, because they don't have a tax file number, etcetera. |
| 02:49.44 | dwon | Wow. I think if you're resident in a province for 3 months, regardless of citizenship, you get our health insurance and pay the same taxes as us. |
| 02:49.53 | dwon | citizenship has basically nothing to do with taxation, as far as I understand |
| 02:50.10 | dwon | where it can get hairy is when you're, say, a U.S. citizen, since the US taxes all its citizens' worldwide incomes |
| 02:50.31 | Arafangion | dwon: DOn't you simply get taxed multiple times? |
| 02:50.31 | beder | dwon: I wished Debian installed as much stuff as Slackware out-of-the-box... |
| 02:50.45 | beder | dwon: it don't even get VIM with all the cool indent and colors |
| 02:50.56 | djskidd | ooo, VIM |
| 02:50.57 | Arafangion | dwon: (For the respective income) |
| 02:51.09 | Arafangion | beder: emacs! |
| 02:51.21 | Arafangion | beder: (I use vim emulation in emacs) |
| 02:51.22 | dwon | Arafangion: I don't really know how it works. There's some treaty; I hear it's not too bad in the end, but you need an accountant to navigate it all |
| 02:51.32 | Arafangion | dwon: Fair enough. |
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| 02:52.03 | nrdb | dwon, that tax scheme seems unfair as if your not living in US you aren't getting anything for your money. |
| 02:52.11 | dwon | beder: Yeah. On the other hand, I have a local Debian mirror, so I just quickly install what I need when I need it. :) |
| 02:52.14 | djskidd | gah, how to install a .deb from base debian |
| 02:52.23 | beder | djskidd: dpkg -i |
| 02:52.25 | djskidd | clean install debian |
| 02:52.29 | beder | dwon: that's a nice thing to have... |
| 02:52.43 | beder | djskidd: now I missed you.. apt-get ? |
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| 02:53.16 | dwon | djskidd: I usually use aptitude, and then just browse the packages I want. |
| 02:53.27 | dwon | unless I know the package name, then I apt-get install packagename |
| 02:53.30 | beder | djskidd: you want to install a .deb you downloaded, or you want to get it by it's name magically: |
| 02:53.37 | djskidd | I have it as a .deb |
| 02:53.41 | beder | djskidd: for .deb, use dpkg -i, for magic use apt-get |
| 02:53.42 | dwon | You actually don't want to install .debs yourself |
| 02:53.54 | dwon | you lose the cryptographic signatures when you do that |
| 02:54.02 | djskidd | I do not have internet yet, this deb is to get the network adapter to work so I can do magic |
| 02:54.12 | dwon | oh, heh. dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 02:54.14 | dwon | (as root) |
| 02:54.26 | Arafangion | Or if they have complex dependencies, dpkg -i *.deb |
| 02:54.33 | beder | or sudo -i dpkg -i magic.deb ;) |
| 02:54.39 | dwon | there's also apt-zip |
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| 02:54.44 | beder | affter edditing /etc/sudoers |
| 02:54.49 | Arafangion | beder: The evil-i! |
| 02:54.56 | nrdb | I have a wheezy armv5tel system... when I plug a usb device in it does not generate a /dev/hidraw? device .... :-( ... any ideas why? do I need a kernel module loaded? |
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| 02:55.47 | nrdb | Arafangion, use it all the time. |
| 02:56.01 | djskidd | does sudo work in terminal for debian? |
| 02:56.33 | nrdb | djskidd, I do |
| 02:56.36 | simonlnu | duh |
| 02:56.50 | beder | what?? |
| 02:56.59 | beder | "does sudo work in terminal for debian" |
| 02:57.00 | beder | sorry? |
| 02:57.16 | djskidd | it says I need superuser priviledges, so I typed sudo, then the command |
| 02:57.17 | beder | you have to "visudo" and give your user permission first, but yeah |
| 02:57.34 | simonlnu | privileges |
| 02:57.39 | djskidd | oh son of a b*tch |
| 02:57.49 | djskidd | I just needed to type su |
| 02:58.02 | dwon | beder: I think the user you create when you first install the system is automatically in the "sudo" group. |
| 02:58.12 | beder | dwon: as far as I remember, no |
| 02:58.21 | dwon | it is if you don't specify a root password |
| 02:58.25 | djskidd | now how do I get the network adapter to work? |
| 02:58.26 | dwon | I just tried it |
| 02:58.35 | beder | why wouldn't you specify a root password??? |
| 02:58.39 | beder | you're crazy dwon |
| 02:58.42 | beder | oh dwon you so crazy |
| 02:58.52 | dwon | beder: None of my machines have root passwords. The root account is disabled, and you access root using sudo |
| 02:59.04 | beder | oh dwon you not so crazy anymore |
| 02:59.04 | dwon | or ssh pubkey auth |
| 02:59.12 | beder | you smart dwon |
| 02:59.12 | Arafangion | can't remember his root password. |
| 02:59.24 | beder | you fucked Arafangion |
| 02:59.27 | beder | ;p |
| 02:59.34 | djskidd | hey, I need help here |
| 02:59.35 | nrdb | beder, when using 'sudo' with no root password, it asks for the uses password. |
| 02:59.37 | Arafangion | beder: I haven't needed it since I installed the system, last year. :) |
| 02:59.42 | dwon | It's the default on Ubuntu, and if you press enter on the root password prompt in the Debian installer, it set it up that way. |
| 02:59.53 | dwon | I think the wall of text it gives you when prompting for the root password tells you that. |
| 02:59.57 | djskidd | ladies, you're both ugly. now, how do I get the network adapter to work |
| 03:00.00 | djskidd | ? |
| 03:00.04 | nrdb | that is what I do. |
| 03:00.11 | dwon | djskidd: :-/ |
| 03:00.14 | dwon | djskidd: wired or wireless? |
| 03:00.14 | Arafangion | djskidd: Are you calling us *FAT*!? |
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| 03:00.17 | beder | djskidd: what adapter is that? does it have a non-free firmware? |
| 03:00.32 | djskidd | yes, it was non-free, it is realtek, wireless, please |
| 03:00.44 | dwon | djskidd: do you also have a wired ethernet port on it? |
| 03:00.51 | djskidd | why yes, yes I do |
| 03:00.55 | djskidd | so both then |
| 03:00.59 | beder | if it's a wifi adapter it's very likely you'll have to add 'non-free' to your mirrors and downloaded the firmware |
| 03:01.00 | djskidd | but I would prefer wireless |
| 03:01.09 | dwon | if you do, the easiest thing is to get that working first, then use apt-get to install the necessary stuff for wireless |
| 03:01.23 | dwon | beder is probably right about the non-free firmware |
| 03:01.28 | djskidd | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-realtek/download I downloaded that |
| 03:01.37 | djskidd | it was a .deb |
| 03:01.42 | Arafangion | I usually find that debian's wifi is sub-optimal compared with windows or mac os x. :( |
| 03:01.59 | beder | so now you dpkg -i it.deb, and then you modprobe that motherfucker! |
| 03:02.13 | nrdb | djskidd, when setting up my laptop, I used the wired connector to download stuff etc. until the wireless was working, and very rarely touched it since. |
| 03:02.18 | beder | Arafangion: I like NetworkManager very much, the widget for KDE is so pretty |
| 03:02.33 | dwon | oh, I hate NetworkManager |
| 03:02.37 | beder | :-( |
| 03:02.47 | beder | I love it! so go... plant strawberries |
| 03:02.52 | Arafangion | beder: I hate that, actually - I prefer wicd, but even so, I think the problem is with the firmware - I simply don't get the same stability and signal strength. |
| 03:02.54 | dwon | well, it's okay for wireless, but it really gets in the way for wired networks |
| 03:03.02 | beder | oh I used for wireless only |
| 03:03.07 | dwon | and its command-line support is abyssimal |
| 03:03.10 | djskidd | nrdb: I have another computer to download all the .debs, then I run it over with a flash drive |
| 03:03.11 | beder | wired it does all by it-self |
| 03:03.16 | beder | oh yeah command-line is a pain |
| 03:03.21 | beder | iwconfig all the way for command-line |
| 03:03.24 | Arafangion | The other issue I have with NetworkManager, is that it has two modes, but teh UI doesn't distinguish between them. |
| 03:03.46 | dwon | Arafangion: two modes? |
| 03:04.04 | Arafangion | dwon: Yes, something along the lines of 'explicit', and 'weirdly automatic and magical'. |
| 03:04.30 | beder | weirdly automatic only if you say so when first selecting a wireless network, isn't it? |
| 03:04.33 | beder | it's all explicit at first |
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| 03:04.51 | Arafangion | beder: Yes, /something/ you do triggers the mode change, but it's not obvious in the UI. :( |
| 03:05.03 | djskidd | awww, lotto just ended |
| 03:05.04 | beder | humm... it's actually when you first connect to a wifi network |
| 03:05.09 | Arafangion | wicd's nicer, imho. |
| 03:05.15 | Arafangion | djskidd: The half-billion one? |
| 03:05.15 | beder | it has a checkbox that says "magically connect auytoamtically to me whenever you see me" |
| 03:05.21 | djskidd | yup |
| 03:05.26 | djskidd | $640 million |
| 03:05.37 | beder | you can click on "manage connections" and change that at any time |
| 03:05.43 | djskidd | 46-23-38-4-2 23 were the numbers |
| 03:05.56 | dwon | The odds of winning the lotto are incredibly, ridiculously low anyway. I bet small amounts of money on high-risk investments instead. Like bitcoin. :) |
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| 03:06.10 | Arafangion | dwon: That lotto triggered a frenzy, regardless. |
| 03:06.15 | djskidd | now how do I get that realtek adapter to work? |
| 03:06.17 | dwon | because people can't do math |
| 03:06.21 | beder | is bitcoin still a thing? isn't that just something created to see pedo stuff on deep web? |
| 03:06.29 | dwon | beder: yes and do |
| 03:06.31 | dwon | *no |
| 03:06.38 | Arafangion | dwon: On the other hand, you *might*'ve won a half billion dollars. |
| 03:06.43 | beder | dwon you scared me at first! |
| 03:06.58 | Arafangion | dwon: While living in a depression! |
| 03:07.10 | dwon | Arafangion: well, tell you what. Run a bitcoin miner. You *might* find a string of 1000 50 BTC blocks. |
| 03:07.15 | dwon | in a few minutes |
| 03:07.18 | dwon | probably not though |
| 03:07.23 | beder | I say work |
| 03:07.38 | Arafangion | dwon: Indeed, but what would happen if i did find that? |
| 03:07.43 | beder | do your job right, get paid by the man, go home fuck your wife, raise your kids, be good to each other, and die |
| 03:07.57 | Arafangion | dwon: What would happen if there was a possibility of getting a *fortune*, for almost no investment? |
| 03:07.59 | djskidd | dwon, how do I get that .deb to work for me? I got it here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-realtek/download |
| 03:08.04 | dwon | Arafangion: then you'd have 1000 * 50 BTC, so roughly 243,500 USD at current rates |
| 03:08.12 | Arafangion | dwon: That said, I don't do lotto, don't see the point myself. :) |
| 03:08.36 | beder | djskidd: you alreayd did dpkg -i thing.deb ? |
| 03:08.41 | djskidd | yes |
| 03:09.19 | dwon | beder: bitcoin is basically a giant, shared transaction list that uses ECDSA signatures to transfer control of arbitrary amounts of "bitcoins" from one key to another |
| 03:09.23 | djskidd | beder: now how do I get the adapter to start functioning? |
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| 03:09.35 | beder | djskidd: lsmod |
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| 03:09.45 | beder | djskidd: find something that says "rtlxxxxx" |
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| 03:09.54 | beder | djskidd: than get back to me |
| 03:09.57 | djskidd | where do I find it? |
| 03:10.05 | dwon | beder: It's actually pretty clever; they use proof-of-work (computing partial hash collisions) in a way that ensures that everyone can know the "official" transaction list without any trusted third parties |
| 03:10.13 | beder | djskidd lsmod | grep rtl |
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| 03:10.17 | beder | djskidd: does it bring something? |
| 03:10.32 | beder | dwon: I have no idea of what you said... |
| 03:10.46 | djskidd | this is in terminal, right? |
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| 03:10.50 | beder | djskidd: yes |
| 03:10.54 | beder | djskidd: as root |
| 03:11.08 | Arafangion | dwon: Actually, what /is/ bitcoin? |
| 03:11.17 | beder | Arafangion: an imaginary currency |
| 03:11.37 | dwon | that sells for $4.87 USD right now |
| 03:11.39 | djskidd | grep rtl? |
| 03:11.51 | beder | djskidd: exactly like that: lsmod | grep rtl |
| 03:11.54 | beder | with pipe and everything |
| 03:12.03 | dwon | Arafangion: http://www.weusecoins.com/ |
| 03:12.34 | Arafangion | dwon: That site has a video, which I can't use. |
| 03:13.16 | djskidd | it just brings me back to the prompt |
| 03:13.29 | beder | hmmm |
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| 03:13.47 | beder | maybe the firmware has a different name... |
| 03:13.49 | dwon | Arafangion: go to http://www.youtube.com/html5 to enable HTML 5 mode, then go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo to watch the video |
| 03:14.12 | beder | if you already did dpgk -i guy.deb , maybve iut was smart enough to include itself on the init modprobe |
| 03:14.23 | Arafangion | dwon: No, I mean, unless it's subtitled, I can't watch it. |
| 03:14.29 | beder | djskidd: try rebooting and see if you can find your wireless thingies on network manager |
| 03:14.34 | djskidd | ok |
| 03:14.34 | dwon | Arafangion: click CC |
| 03:15.39 | dwon | firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:15.47 | dwon | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:15.52 | Arafangion | Wow, it does have CC's. |
| 03:15.55 | beder | dwon: what will that download? |
| 03:16.06 | djskidd | where is network manager? |
| 03:16.12 | dwon | beder: "Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel" |
| 03:16.17 | beder | djskidd: should be an icon onm your task manager |
| 03:16.22 | Epitrope | where does /etc/inittab come from? `dpkg -S /etc/inittab` -> "dpkg: /etc/inittab not found." |
| 03:16.30 | dwon | Epitrope: sysv-init |
| 03:16.32 | djskidd | task manager? |
| 03:16.40 | beder | djskidd the clock |
| 03:16.49 | dwon | Epitrope: I mean sysvinit. whatever owns /sbin/init |
| 03:16.51 | beder | djskidd: over there with the clock |
| 03:16.53 | Epitrope | dwon: generated during package install? |
| 03:16.53 | djskidd | I don't see it |
| 03:17.06 | dwon | Epitrope: I think so |
| 03:17.11 | beder | anything related to networks? an eth input? something? |
| 03:17.22 | Epitrope | dwon++ thank you |
| 03:17.23 | beder | some icon that resembles networking |
| 03:17.27 | djskidd | battery|clock|volume|current window open |
| 03:17.33 | djskidd | that is my clock area |
| 03:17.50 | dwon | the networkmanager icon only shows up if it sees your network adapter |
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| 03:18.09 | baronobeefdip | hello i need some help with bridging networking nics |
| 03:18.11 | beder | dwon: it doesn't shows up to me at all on gnome, but maybe it fucked up after I installed KDE |
| 03:18.27 | dwon | beder: It doesn't show up if all your interfaces are configured using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:18.28 | djskidd | so how do I tell it to see the realtek adapter? |
| 03:18.31 | beder | djskidd: does iwconfig shows anything? |
| 03:18.45 | djskidd | iwconfig...? |
| 03:18.51 | beder | djskidd: typing iwconfig as root |
| 03:18.55 | beder | djskidd: on a shell |
| 03:18.57 | djskidd | i'm very sorry, I'm new to debian |
| 03:19.09 | beder | no problem, you're here to learn |
| 03:19.20 | djskidd | nothing shows |
| 03:19.30 | beder | nothing? no wlan0? eth0? nothing? |
| 03:19.31 | djskidd | no wireless extensions. on both |
| 03:19.38 | baronobeefdip | i am trying to bridge eth0 to wlan0 but have wlan0 on the recieving end as in i want the wlan0 to recieve in internet and bridge it over t o eth0 |
| 03:19.38 | djskidd | well |
| 03:19.40 | beder | both what? l0 and eth0? |
| 03:19.49 | djskidd | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 03:20.01 | djskidd | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:20.05 | djskidd | that's what I see |
| 03:20.10 | beder | your wireless card is not recognized yet. you should have wlan0 too by now |
| 03:20.17 | beder | try doing what dwon said earlier |
| 03:20.19 | Arafangion | dwon: I'm still confused about bitcoins. |
| 03:20.21 | dwon | no, ignore that |
| 03:20.26 | beder | apt-get install linux-non-free-formware or something |
| 03:20.30 | beder | dwon: say it again to him |
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| 03:20.40 | dwon | beder, djskidd: Ignore what I said about linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 03:20.44 | dwon | the package is firmware-realtek |
| 03:20.48 | beder | ok |
| 03:20.49 | dwon | if you've installed it, you might have to reboot |
| 03:20.50 | baronobeefdip | i have it it working before but i never had a clear explanation on how to get it working |
| 03:20.57 | beder | djskidd: do apt-get install firmware-realtek oncommand line as root |
| 03:20.59 | njduuw | is there nowadays a way to install nvidia graphics driver from repositories? |
| 03:21.07 | baronobeefdip | i am not creating an AP when i said i want a bridge, i am creating an extender |
| 03:21.09 | beder | njduuw: PROBABLY nuveau |
| 03:21.23 | dwon | !nvidia |
| 03:21.23 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:21.25 | beder | njduuw: and if you ahve non-free on your mirrors, you'll get nvidia too I believe |
| 03:21.48 | djskidd | firmware-realtek is already the newest version. |
| 03:21.53 | djskidd | it says |
| 03:21.54 | njduuw | beder: thanks |
| 03:21.57 | dwon | djskidd: good. just reboot, then |
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| 03:22.17 | beder | dwon: I said him to reboot already, apparently didn't work yet... iwconfig only shows l0 and eth0 |
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| 03:22.35 | beder | djskidd: are you 100% sure your wireless card is realtek? |
| 03:22.39 | djskidd | yes |
| 03:22.39 | beder | maybe it's intel? |
| 03:22.51 | somiaj | what is the card? |
| 03:22.53 | djskidd | this is a Dell Inspiron Mini 1018 |
| 03:23.00 | Epitrope | dwon: you are right: debian/postinst:cp -p /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab |
| 03:23.00 | beder | djskidd: do lspci as root on command-lie |
| 03:23.04 | somiaj | (the chipset from lspci is useful) |
| 03:23.07 | dwon | djskidd: can you paste the output of lspci at http://pastebin.com/ and post the link here? |
| 03:23.11 | Epitrope | dwon: should it not be owned by the sysvinit package, then? |
| 03:23.19 | njduuw | beder: I have non-free reps already but no nvidia packages |
| 03:23.19 | beder | djskidd: and find something like "NEtowkr Controller" |
| 03:23.47 | dwon | Epitrope: Probably, but it's part of the base system, so who knows. Special things are done there for various reasons |
| 03:23.49 | njduuw | contrib non-free <-? |
| 03:24.28 | dwon | njduuw: silly question, but did you run "apt-get update" ? |
| 03:24.38 | dwon | (as root) |
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| 03:24.46 | djskidd | Network Controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 801.11b/g/n WiFi adapter (rev 01) |
| 03:24.51 | njduuw | deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 03:24.53 | njduuw | is that ok? |
| 03:24.54 | djskidd | that is what I get from lspci |
| 03:25.02 | beder | apparetly it's called nvidia-glx |
| 03:25.46 | Epitrope | dwon: then I will not file a bug. thank you! |
| 03:25.47 | beder | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay |
| 03:25.50 | beder | it's kinda confusing though |
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| 03:25.57 | djskidd | beder, dwon, Network Controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 801.11b/g/n WiFi adapter (rev 01) |
| 03:26.10 | djskidd | since you are both helping me |
| 03:26.13 | somiaj | djskidd: you'll probabaly need a kernel and firwmare from squeeze-backports |
| 03:26.14 | dwon | Arafangion: probably the easiest way to understand Bitcoin right now is to install the software on a few machines (or accounts), get a few coins and play with it: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getting_started |
| 03:26.17 | beder | djskidd: try doing modprobe rtl8188ce as root on command line |
| 03:26.41 | djskidd | modprobe: command not found |
| 03:26.46 | beder | as root! |
| 03:26.50 | dwon | Arafangion: there's also zillions of discussions on http://bitcointalk.org/ |
| 03:26.56 | beder | djskidd: as root |
| 03:27.10 | somiaj | the kerel module is rtl8192ce -- and he will need the kernel and firmware from squeeze-backports for that card |
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| 03:27.28 | djskidd | FATAL: Module rtl8188ce not found. |
| 03:27.29 | dwon | Arafangion: that wiki is pretty good, too. It takes a little while to wrap your head around it (aside from just, "it's a virtual currency"), but it's actually pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it |
| 03:27.33 | beder | djskidd: see what somiaj said, I only know about intel which is what I have |
| 03:28.12 | dwon | Arafangion: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works |
| 03:28.21 | djskidd | somiaj: where do I get the kernel and firmware? |
| 03:29.03 | beder | all I needed was iwlwifi-firmware, damn realtek ;p |
| 03:29.07 | somiaj | !tell djskidd about squeeze-backports |
| 03:29.51 | um__ | is there a recommended debian help channel for novice users? |
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| 03:30.33 | beder | njduuw: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation-1 |
| 03:30.58 | djskidd | somiaj, is this it? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/all/firmware-realtek/download |
| 03:31.10 | dwon | Arafangion: there's also a technical paper by the system's author: http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf |
| 03:31.17 | beder | njduuw: go to "Steps" |
| 03:31.34 | beder | dwon: boy you really are into bitcoins aren't you |
| 03:32.01 | dwon | beder: I'm a crypto nerd, so yeah. It's a pretty clever system. :) |
| 03:32.29 | beder | dwon: I don't know of the inner workings of it, but must be pretty clever indeed to be functioning up 'til today |
| 03:33.46 | um__ | i have installed a minimal cli only debian on virtualbox and need help connecting via putty - i got the ip from ifconfig and installed ssh but i cannot ping it and putty cannot see it |
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| 03:33.57 | njduuw | beder: thx |
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| 03:34.20 | beder | djskidd: you should be using apt-get instead of downloading the .deb ... add deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main non-free to your mirrors file |
| 03:34.38 | djskidd | i wish I had internet, I would |
| 03:35.34 | beder | djskidd: better yet, try first modprobe rtl8192ce |
| 03:35.36 | beder | what happens? |
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| 03:35.44 | beder | as root, off course |
| 03:35.48 | Arafangion | dwon: Thanks, I'm in #bitcoin now, as well, it's interesting. |
| 03:35.58 | Arafangion | dwon: I can't see myself using it though. |
| 03:36.10 | djskidd | beder: not found |
| 03:36.15 | beder | shit |
| 03:36.59 | dwon | Arafangion: I see it as being useful for micropayments or donations. FOSS authors can say, "donate to my Bitcoin account" and people can just do that, even if it's only $0.005 or whatever. |
| 03:37.26 | dwon | Arafangion: like a PayPal that doesn't suck |
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| 03:37.49 | dwon | You buy Bitcoins, transfer them, and then the recipient sells them again |
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| 03:37.56 | Arafangion | dwon: Yes, that's a plus. |
| 03:38.00 | djskidd | okay, i installed the backports, do I reboot? |
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| 03:38.38 | beder | djskidd: install wireless-tools as well |
| 03:38.48 | beder | if you don't already have it |
| 03:38.58 | beder | djskidd: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 03:39.20 | beder | djskidd: rtl8192ce is what you're looking for, it supports your card |
| 03:39.33 | beder | rtl8192ce (supported devices) |
| 03:39.33 | beder | Supports PCI-E devices based on the RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE chipsets. |
| 03:39.48 | beder | rtl8188ce is what you have, right? |
| 03:40.22 | djskidd | yup |
| 03:40.38 | beder | you should only need firmware-realtek http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-realtek |
| 03:40.42 | somiaj | yes you need to install a backported kernel (3.2 will work) and the firmware from backports |
| 03:40.42 | djskidd | it says wireless-tools is already the newest version |
| 03:41.07 | beder | djskidd: reboot then |
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| 03:41.17 | beder | installed modules should be loaded properly |
| 03:41.26 | beder | initrd is smartz on debian |
| 03:42.10 | dwon | Did anyone get the PCI ID of djskidd's wireless adapter? |
| 03:43.03 | beder | dwon: it's a realtek 8188ce |
| 03:43.04 | dwon | If this is a desktop machine, I'd just run testing |
| 03:43.16 | beder | it says it's supported on wheezy, yes |
| 03:43.22 | djskidd | are |
| 03:43.23 | djskidd | you |
| 03:43.25 | djskidd | freaking |
| 03:43.27 | djskidd | kidding |
| 03:43.27 | djskidd | me |
| 03:43.37 | beder | you actually use rtl8192ce driver |
| 03:43.39 | djskidd | still no network manager |
| 03:43.44 | beder | Wheezy |
| 03:43.44 | beder | The testing distribution currently supports Realtek RTL8188CE, RTL8188CUS, RTL8188DE, RTL8188SU, RTL8191SE, RTL8191SU, RTL8192CE, RTL8192CU, RTL8192DE, RTL8192E, RTL8192SE, RTL8192SU and RTL8192U-based devices. |
| 03:43.48 | Arafangion | dwon: I worry that bitcoin will be used only by some geeks. |
| 03:44.01 | beder | djskidd: are you running wheezy or squeezy? |
| 03:44.08 | djskidd | squeeze |
| 03:44.16 | dvs | djskidd: uname -r |
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| 03:44.33 | djskidd | in terminal, I assume as root |
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| 03:44.37 | Arafangion | dwon: And I wonder how fractional bitcoins are sent... I mean, if the bitcoin's associated with a particular wallet, how does it get associated with more than one wallet!? |
| 03:44.39 | dvs | yes |
| 03:44.56 | djskidd | 2.6.32-5-686\ |
| 03:44.57 | hendry | when i run `dpkg --set-selections`, where are those records stored? |
| 03:45.12 | dvs | djskidd: Wrong kernel, you need the backported kernel |
| 03:45.23 | dwon | Arafangion: remember, a bitcoin is not really a thing. It's a transaction in a shared database. I think the protocol supports up to 11 decimal places, and current software supports 8 |
| 03:45.25 | djskidd | *sigh* |
| 03:45.28 | djskidd | what do I need? |
| 03:45.34 | beder | djskidd: you downloaded only the backported firmware, you also need the backported kernel |
| 03:45.45 | dvs | djskidd: Did you add backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:45.45 | djskidd | and where do I get this? |
| 03:45.49 | beder | djskidd: honestly? download -testing iso and instlal again |
| 03:45.50 | Arafangion | dwon: Yet there's a fixed number of them. |
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| 03:45.59 | beder | djskidd: way less stressful |
| 03:46.06 | somiaj | beder: he needs to install the kernel from squeeze-backports and reboot into it |
| 03:46.11 | djskidd | you know what? fuck this. I'll try again tomorrow. |
| 03:46.12 | dvs | yup |
| 03:46.19 | beder | somiaj: or download wheezy and reinstlal |
| 03:46.26 | somiaj | djskidd: follow the factoid I sent you and install the kernel from squeeze backports |
| 03:46.28 | beder | somiaj: which is easier since he doesn't have internet on that pc |
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| 03:46.38 | djskidd | i'm so freaking tired right now, and I just want to sleep. I will come back tomorrow. |
| 03:46.41 | dwon | Arafangion: yup |
| 03:46.51 | djskidd | goodbye till tomorrow. |
| 03:47.02 | beder | poor guy |
| 03:47.07 | somiaj | beder: NO, that is terrible advise, don't advise people to upgrade to wheezy when the kernel and driver he needs is easily obtainable from squeeze backports with copying over a few .deb files |
| 03:47.21 | beder | ok... |
| 03:47.23 | dvs | beder: I'd rather direct him to a kmuto ISO |
| 03:47.25 | dwon | Arafangion: as for only geeks using bitcoin. Maybe, but the largest exchange performed $8.3M USD worth of bitcoin exchanges in the last month |
| 03:47.35 | dwon | Arafangion: which is small, but not "just a few geeks" |
| 03:47.37 | beder | I hate squeezy with my guts, there, I said it |
| 03:47.54 | dwon | Arafangion: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html |
| 03:47.58 | beder | it's old and "too stable" and a fucking jurassc thing |
| 03:48.07 | dvs | !sns |
| 03:48.08 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:48.08 | Arafangion | dwon: It's interesting. |
| 03:48.24 | beder | dvs: I like slackware-current, crucify me |
| 03:48.35 | beder | although I am satisfied with debian wheezy |
| 03:48.42 | beder | but squeezy... sucks =/ |
| 03:48.48 | dwon | dvs: That's bullshit. stable is also a moving target, because the hardware you can run with it gets more and more specific over time, until there's a new release |
| 03:48.50 | somiaj | beder: sure, if you want to run testing (I run sid myself) do so, but to someone new to debian giving them a possibaly broken tesing release isn't good advise, let them learn debian and use backports (: |
| 03:49.03 | beder | not sid! wheezy! :-) |
| 03:49.20 | dwon | I've run stable, testing, and unstable, and stable has always been more effort than it's worth |
| 03:49.27 | beder | I've been using wheezy since I started with debian (2 months ago after 7 years of slackware) and am happy with it |
| 03:49.31 | somiaj | I find sid better than wheezy for various reasons (mostly time to wait for fixes) |
| 03:49.50 | beder | I found squeezy just to damn old |
| 03:49.54 | beder | there is stable, and there is old |
| 03:49.54 | Arafangion | dwon: A deflatory model could actually encourage investment in bitcoins? |
| 03:49.57 | beder | squeezy is old |
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| 03:50.11 | somiaj | beder: and use it, that is why it is there, to be used, tested and hopefully you use the bts and submit bugs you find. But as advise to a new user, learn about backports. (: |
| 03:50.45 | beder | somiaj: I see your point, and I don't know enough about debian to agree or disagree with it... honestly, it's the first time I heard about "backports" |
| 03:50.54 | beder | somiaj: I'm already looking into it |
| 03:50.59 | dwon | Arafangion: Allegedly. I really have no idea. |
| 03:51.12 | beder | somiaj: so, thanks ;) |
| 03:51.42 | Arafangion | dwon: I mean, deflation would mean that if I buy one BTC today, then it's guaranteed to be worth more in a few years. |
| 03:51.57 | Arafangion | dwon: Assuming that BTC's themselves are still being used. ;) |
| 03:51.57 | dwon | Arafangion: well, not if everyone only does that |
| 03:52.03 | dwon | Arafangion: right |
| 03:53.29 | dwon | Arafangion: right now, it's not entirely clear how much BTC should be worth, though. I've seen the price fluctuate between $2.50 and $6.50 since last November. |
| 03:53.42 | njduuw | beder: now it works. thanks for the straight-forward guide |
| 03:53.43 | dwon | Unfortunately, I initially bought at $6.55 :( |
| 03:53.49 | Arafangion | dwon: I've noticed that. |
| 03:54.07 | Arafangion | dwon: It fluctuates wildly... And I suspect that it will always do so. |
| 03:54.14 | beder | njduuw: I'm very glad it worked, never installed it myself... congrats! |
| 03:54.20 | beder | njduuw: not on debian anyway |
| 03:54.51 | dwon | Arafangion: but the last few months, it's been fairly stable, occasionally jumping a few percent in either direction, but mostly just drifting, which makes it fine for same-day transfers. |
| 03:55.09 | dwon | Arafangion: especially considering you might pay a few percent in fees if you used PayPal or a credit card |
| 03:55.40 | njduuw | beder: my 5 year old daughter can now play tux race :D |
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| 03:55.53 | Arafangion | dwon: Right now, however, I'd probably still trust paypal more. They're crap, but they are at least subject to a government authority. |
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| 03:56.00 | dwon | The only disadvantage right now is that you probably would want to hold your received dollars in an exchange account until you have a few, because most banks charge some flat rate for transfers. |
| 03:56.15 | beder | njduuw: haha that's awesome news... make sure you introduce her to quakeworld at the right time |
| 03:56.27 | njduuw | :--D |
| 03:56.49 | beder | also, snes emulators are great for kids that age |
| 03:56.59 | dwon | Arafangion: What does "government authority" get you? You know how PayPal arbitrarily freezes people's accounts, right? And you can still sue someone if they rip you off, the same as you can if they steal anything of yours. |
| 03:57.17 | beder | ain't nothing like bikers mice from mars! |
| 03:57.29 | Arafangion | dwon: It means that my bank would be slightly more willing to assist. ;) |
| 03:58.41 | dwon | Arafangion: Most of what I've heard about PayPal has involves people getting ripped off *because* of PayPal's chargeback policy, or just because PayPal randomly decided to freeze their account for no particularly good reason (certainly no court order was ever involved). |
| 03:58.53 | dwon | In the end, you have to trust the other party somewhat anyway. |
| 03:59.00 | Arafangion | dwon: Indeed. |
| 03:59.10 | Arafangion | dwon: And right now, I don't recognise any of the bitcoin exchanges. |
| 03:59.33 | a111 | is there any way to automaticly restart a application when it crtashes |
| 03:59.36 | Arafangion | dwon: But I've written "bitcoin" on a sticker and put it up, it's interesting. :) |
| 04:00.13 | beder | a111: only if you make a script for it |
| 04:00.19 | Arafangion | dwon: I might end up buying 2BTC, even. :) |
| 04:00.44 | a111 | beder, have you got an example script i could look at? |
| 04:01.02 | beder | a111: I actually do, give me a few |
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| 04:01.12 | a111 | thanks :) |
| 04:01.19 | beder | a111: it's not pretty though... |
| 04:01.26 | a111 | lol |
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| 04:04.13 | tmyklebu | how do i make the 3.3.0 kernel in unstable, or the initrd that gets built, stop causing a framebuffer console? |
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| 04:05.04 | dvs | nofb as a kernel option ? |
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| 04:06.49 | tmyklebu | mmk. i'll give that a shot. |
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| 04:07.06 | tmyklebu | what step in the boot process causes this to happen? |
| 04:07.50 | tmyklebu | i didn't see anything evil when i poked around in the initrd. also didn't see anything evil in the /etc/rc*.d/ directories. (which means i probably missed it.) |
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| 04:08.21 | dvs | tmyklebu: In the /etc/default/grub file, change the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX variable |
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| 04:08.42 | dvs | tmyklebu: then run update-grub |
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| 04:09.21 | tmyklebu | no dice with the nofb. |
| 04:09.47 | dvs | huh? You changed the file already and run update-grub? |
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| 04:10.06 | Vasistha | I'm looking at this page: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xournal -- at the top I see "Supports Format: PDF Documents". I wish I could click "PDF Documents" there and get a list of other programs that also support pdf docus ... but instead I get this cryptic page about debtags. How can I do a search for packages with debtag works-with-format:pdf ? |
| 04:10.44 | tmyklebu | (yes, i do know how to use debian.) |
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| 04:11.12 | dvs | tmyklebu: Then reboot, grab something from the C+D, and come back |
| 04:11.20 | tmyklebu | dvs: i did. |
| 04:11.50 | dvs | hmmm... |
| 04:11.55 | tmyklebu | dvs: i speak through a rebooted machine. 'nofb' is at the end of /proc/cmdline. |
| 04:12.13 | tmyklebu | this seems to happen when loading modules. my first thought is to blame nvidiafb. |
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| 04:12.27 | tmyklebu | how do i make the module blacklist known to the initrd? |
| 04:13.06 | dvs | tmyklebu: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d and put "blacklist nvidiafb" in it |
| 04:13.07 | tmyklebu | (i added a line to /etc/modprobe/blacklist.conf.) |
| 04:13.48 | tmyklebu | update-initramfs -u -k all is the correct incantation? |
| 04:14.15 | dvs | you need the kernel version if you use the -k option |
| 04:14.36 | tmyklebu | yes, i gave it 'all', which it claims to accept. |
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| 04:16.02 | tmyklebu | nope. i guessed wrong. |
| 04:17.15 | ParkerR | Not my most productive use of debian http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/screenshots/2012_03_31_00:02:41.jpg |
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| 04:18.38 | tmyklebu | it was the 'nouveau' module. |
| 04:18.52 | tmyklebu | blacklist that and the bullshit stops happening. |
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| 04:20.24 | tmyklebu | someone should obviously add this to the default /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf =) |
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| 04:20.46 | ParkerR | tmyklebu, Thats why I install nvidia from the get go |
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| 04:22.17 | tmyklebu | ParkerR: shrug. i upgraded my kernel and i got fbcon'd a few seconds into boot repeatably. |
| 04:22.43 | ParkerR | tmyklebu, Ahh |
| 04:24.05 | tmyklebu | ParkerR: i go out of my way to avoid lunacy on the console. (and no, i don't have X11 installed and so i don't much care for broken proprietary drivers.) |
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| 04:25.10 | ParkerR | I installed debian testing netinst and chose not to install the graphical environment during install. Installed what I wanted from there and have been pretty happy |
| 04:25.42 | ectospasm | ParkerR: yeah, I think I'm gonna do that from now on. KDE continues to be an abomination. |
| 04:26.04 | ParkerR | I installed x and openbox from the start. Then went to xfce |
| 04:26.26 | ectospasm | I'm in love with GNOME3 fallback + XMonad at the moment |
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| 04:26.59 | ectospasm | I don't see myself switching from XMonad any time soon. |
| 04:27.13 | tmyklebu | X11 is the abomination. |
| 04:27.21 | tmyklebu | KDE is nowhere near as abominable. |
| 04:27.34 | scientes | ugggh |
| 04:27.37 | scientes | likes gnome-shell |
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| 04:28.18 | ParkerR | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/screenshots/2012_03_31_00:28:02.jpg |
| 04:28.29 | rozz_ | How can I get a hash of a file in linux? |
| 04:28.29 | ectospasm | tmyklebu: at least many of X11's anomalies are hidden from most casual users. |
| 04:28.39 | ectospasm | rozz_: what kind of hash file? |
| 04:28.46 | ectospasm | oh,dur |
| 04:29.10 | ectospasm | rozz_: what kind of hash do you want? try md5sum, sha1sum, sha256sum... etc. |
| 04:29.28 | rozz_ | ectospasm: Thanks. |
| 04:29.58 | tmyklebu | ectospasm: um. so graphics is an inherently real-time problem. there's a user staring at the screen and users get impatient. it's insane to write a network-transparent solution to this problem. |
| 04:30.43 | ectospasm | tmyklebu: especially when you actually try to use it over a network it's terrible! |
| 04:31.09 | ParkerR | Only thing I need to do is clean up a bit. Have a bunch of files scattered everywhere |
| 04:31.11 | tmyklebu | well, it doesn't work anymore because of all the scar tissue that's accumulated around trying to make it handle the real-time aspect. |
| 04:31.28 | ParkerR | I like xorg |
| 04:31.34 | ectospasm | isn't this a discussion for #debia-offtopic? |
| 04:31.44 | tmyklebu | probably. |
| 04:31.47 | ectospasm | s/a-o/an-o/ |
| 04:31.55 | tmyklebu | i guess i've solved my immediate problem, so... |
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| 04:38.29 | ironcamel | I am running the debian live cd on my new laptop. I want to make sure things work fine before I install it. It doesn't seem to be picking up wireless networks. The network manager thing only shows "Wired Network" |
| 04:38.35 | ironcamel | Any suggestions? |
| 04:39.13 | ThinkRob | You may need to install firmware for your WLAN card. |
| 04:39.22 | ThinkRob | What sort of card do you have? |
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| 04:39.58 | boudiccas | oh! thanks! |
| 04:40.03 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: is there a command I can run to find out? |
| 04:40.21 | ThinkRob | lspci will show the hardware, but I kinda guessed you might know off-hand. :D |
| 04:40.40 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: the specs just say Internal 802.11 B+G+N Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Combo Module |
| 04:40.47 | ThinkRob | Hm. |
| 04:40.54 | boudiccas | where can i get an wheezy iso please? i've looked at http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images but cant find a download link or url, can anyone help please? |
| 04:41.11 | ThinkRob | boudiccas: wheezy is testing, not unstable. |
| 04:41.26 | boudiccas | well, i still want a wheezy iso |
| 04:42.13 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: looks like Realtek Semiconductor Co. |
| 04:42.19 | ThinkRob | Ah. |
| 04:42.22 | ThinkRob | Hmmm. |
| 04:42.23 | ThinkRob | Model? |
| 04:42.41 | ironcamel | https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/serval |
| 04:42.54 | ThinkRob | I meant the model of the card. |
| 04:43.01 | ThinkRob | lspci should tell you. |
| 04:43.15 | ironcamel | Ltd. RTL8188CE |
| 04:43.30 | ironcamel | 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) |
| 04:43.33 | ThinkRob | Might be newer than squeeze. |
| 04:43.50 | ThinkRob | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 04:44.08 | rook2pawn | ironcamel: ah i have that exact one RTL8188ce |
| 04:44.19 | ironcamel | rook2pawn: cool. what should i do? |
| 04:44.32 | ThinkRob | You might need a newer kernel than 2.6.32 |
| 04:45.06 | ironcamel | well, uname says i have 2.6.32 |
| 04:45.14 | rook2pawn | you download from realtek rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0006.0321.2011 |
| 04:45.29 | rook2pawn | they have a giant source thing that you compile |
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| 04:45.36 | ThinkRob | Personally I've learned to be very, very wary of using drivers from Realtek. |
| 04:45.56 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: Yeah, but it's easy enough to build a newer one. |
| 04:46.01 | ThinkRob | Or to use one from backports. |
| 04:46.11 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: to use one what from backports? |
| 04:46.21 | ironcamel | kernel? |
| 04:46.22 | ThinkRob | A kernel. |
| 04:46.23 | rook2pawn | ThinkRob: the instructions are amazingly clear |
| 04:46.26 | rook2pawn | surprisingly |
| 04:47.00 | ThinkRob | What, the instructions from Realtek? |
| 04:47.06 | ironcamel | installing from realtek, i still need network connectivity |
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| 04:47.26 | ironcamel | because i don't have make, gcc etc. by default |
| 04:47.27 | ThinkRob | My issue with them has never been the quality of the instructions... |
| 04:48.10 | rook2pawn | ironcamel: they also have this one that seems to be specific to 8188CE http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
| 04:48.43 | rook2pawn | however at the time when i compiled mine, the 8188CE driver wasnt available on their page and people said the 8192CE would work, and it did |
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| 04:49.12 | ThinkRob | Yeah, you could always use ndiswrapper and the Windows drivers. |
| 04:49.15 | ThinkRob | But that's... ew. |
| 04:49.35 | ironcamel | i really don't want to do the ndiswrapper crap |
| 04:49.40 | rook2pawn | i believe i downloaded the files ontoa USB from a connected machine, and then had GCC on my laptop already |
| 04:49.55 | ironcamel | rook2pawn: live cd doesn't have gcc |
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| 04:50.03 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: I don't blame you. |
| 04:50.37 | ThinkRob | IIRC the rtl8187 driver should support the rtl8188. You could try loading it and seeing if it does. |
| 04:51.02 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: loading it how? |
| 04:51.27 | rook2pawn | ooh .. the closeset thing to getting it to work IMO is if i were to bundle the directory and send it to you and you could install it since its already compiled |
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| 04:51.40 | ThinkRob | Well, you'd have to be running a kernel that has it enabled, and then you'd just modprobe it. |
| 04:51.50 | Vasistha | how to search for packages that have specific debtags? |
| 04:52.00 | ThinkRob | rook2pawn: That would only work for a specific kernel. |
| 04:52.17 | ThinkRob | rook2pawn: So, apart from RHEL's kernel, pretty useless. |
| 04:52.48 | ironcamel | 8187 shows up with modprobe -l |
| 04:53.06 | ThinkRob | Well try loading it and see if it picks up the hardware. |
| 04:53.12 | ThinkRob | I suspect it won't but give it a shot. |
| 04:53.37 | ironcamel | rook2pawn: but you are running a newer kernel than me |
| 04:55.10 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: after I modprobe it what do i do? |
| 04:55.18 | ironcamel | restart networking? |
| 04:55.30 | ThinkRob | First, I'd check if dmesg shows anything interesting. |
| 04:55.44 | ThinkRob | Then see if iwconfig lists it. |
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| 04:56.05 | ironcamel | iwconfig does not list it |
| 04:56.37 | ThinkRob | And dmesg doesn't show any complaints from the driver? |
| 04:56.44 | ironcamel | dmesg has no complaints |
| 04:56.53 | ThinkRob | Yeah, well in that case I'm thinking that the chip may be too new for the kernel. |
| 04:56.57 | ironcamel | just says: regiestered new interface driver rtl8187 |
| 04:57.02 | ironcamel | ok |
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| 04:57.31 | ThinkRob | No idea really, I mean... I don't have any Realtek WLAN gear, so I'm not really familiar with getting their stuff to work under Linux. |
| 04:57.53 | ThinkRob | I always rip it out of my boxes and replace it with Atheros or Intel cards since I know those can generally work under Linux and FreeBSD. |
| 04:58.20 | streuner | rtl8192ce - Supports PCI-E devices based on the RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE chipsets. |
| 04:58.38 | ThinkRob | Yeah, try that. |
| 04:58.51 | streuner | ntroduced in Linux 2.6.38,7 enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2. |
| 04:58.54 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: do i un-modprobe the other one? |
| 04:59.07 | ThinkRob | Well, you're kinda SOL with 2.6.32 |
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| 04:59.21 | streuner | , kernels |
| 04:59.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.13-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 04:59.24 | ThinkRob | You'd have to either install a newer kernel from backports or something else or make your own. |
| 04:59.38 | ThinkRob | Personally, I'd just install make-kpkg and build my own 3.3 |
| 04:59.51 | ThinkRob | Easy enough to do, and there are plenty of other benefits from a newer kernel. |
| 05:00.07 | ThinkRob | Much better power savings being the main one that comes to mind. |
| 05:00.27 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: why build your own instead of enabling backports? |
| 05:01.12 | ThinkRob | 1) Newer. 2) grsecurity + PaX 3) Control over what's included and what's not. |
| 05:01.22 | ThinkRob | 2+3 are the big ones for me. |
| 05:01.30 | streuner | ironcamel: /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 05:02.04 | streuner | or just use packages.debian.org and get the deb |
| 05:02.51 | streuner | ironcamel: details are here - http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 05:02.57 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: because backports is all or nothing? it includes stuff you don't want? |
| 05:03.09 | ironcamel | streuner: thanks! |
| 05:03.10 | ThinkRob | And doesn't include stuff I do. |
| 05:03.58 | ThinkRob | For example: there's a lot of stuff that I want built in instead of built as modules. Obviously the bpo kernel isn't gonna do that. |
| 05:04.10 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: are you running squeeze? |
| 05:04.13 | ThinkRob | Yep. |
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| 05:04.25 | ironcamel | and when you want something newer, what do you do? |
| 05:04.31 | ThinkRob | I don't. |
| 05:04.45 | ironcamel | you never need a newer package? |
| 05:04.47 | ThinkRob | Apart from the kernel and Xorg, everything else is straight from stable. |
| 05:05.11 | ThinkRob | Yeah, I pulled Xorg from backports, but everything else is from stable. |
| 05:05.37 | ironcamel | so you turned on backports, installed Xorg, and then turned off backports? |
| 05:05.43 | ThinkRob | Aye. |
| 05:05.52 | ThinkRob | Well, not quite. |
| 05:06.10 | ThinkRob | It's still enabled, but I set the pin priority so that it's not used for anything. |
| 05:06.27 | ironcamel | streuner: which of the kernels listed above should i get? |
| 05:07.47 | streuner | ironcamel: streuner> Introduced in Linux 2.6.38,7 enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2 (squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1). |
| 05:08.13 | streuner | ironcamel: so the 3.2 kernel of bpo should be ok |
| 05:08.18 | ThinkRob | I'd use the 3.2.x ones. |
| 05:08.33 | ironcamel | and i can just download a deb and dpkg it? |
| 05:08.48 | ThinkRob | I'd just enable the backports repo if I were you. |
| 05:08.48 | streuner | sure |
| 05:08.54 | ThinkRob | That way you can get updates. |
| 05:09.02 | ironcamel | that sounds good |
| 05:09.13 | ThinkRob | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 05:10.24 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: i just want to download to my old laptop, copy deb to new laptop, and install new kernel that way |
| 05:10.47 | ThinkRob | You can do that to start and then enable the backports repo. |
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| 05:10.58 | ThinkRob | That way you'll get up and running and then be all set up to get future updates. |
| 05:11.03 | ironcamel | that sounds good |
| 05:11.13 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: whats a good/easy way for me to find the deb |
| 05:11.26 | ironcamel | searching on packages.debian.org returned 1000 results |
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| 05:13.25 | ironcamel | What is the difference or relationship between backports and testing? |
| 05:13.55 | ThinkRob | testing is a totally different branch of Debian. |
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| 05:14.05 | ThinkRob | Backports simply provides backports of select packages to stable. |
| 05:14.27 | ThinkRob | Testing isn't intended for general desktop use, backports + stable are. |
| 05:14.27 | ironcamel | does testing = sid? |
| 05:14.30 | ThinkRob | No. |
| 05:14.32 | ThinkRob | unstable = sid |
| 05:14.41 | ThinkRob | testing = whatever the upcoming release is |
| 05:14.43 | sheep | testing is wheezy right now, right? |
| 05:14.48 | ThinkRob | Currently that's wheezy. |
| 05:14.52 | ThinkRob | Correct, sheep. |
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| 05:17.24 | ironcamel | damn, can't figure out how to use this search http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=search |
| 05:17.28 | ironcamel | what should i search for |
| 05:18.03 | ThinkRob | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3.2 |
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| 05:19.24 | ironcamel | should i grab 3.2.0-2 ? instead of 3.2.0-0 that streuner recommended? |
| 05:19.42 | r3m | Hi i modified a lua script that came with a package, i forget to make a backup of the file. how to reinstall only this file |
| 05:19.47 | ThinkRob | Those are all based on 3.2.12 |
| 05:20.01 | ThinkRob | Debian does its kernel package versioning somewhat... differently than one might expect. |
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| 05:20.19 | ThinkRob | Basically, sub-minor upstreams aren't necessarily reflected in the package name. |
| 05:20.25 | streuner | r3m, apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 05:20.30 | r3m | streuner: thanks! |
| 05:20.55 | streuner | r3m, wait, you want only the script, did you modify other files from the package? |
| 05:21.21 | r3m | streuner: no |
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| 05:23.01 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: You want the bpo package(s). |
| 05:23.11 | ironcamel | linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 05:23.17 | ironcamel | i think that's what i should get |
| 05:23.24 | streuner | ironcamel: please read the wiki about we told you, you also need the firmware and wireless-tools... |
| 05:23.32 | ThinkRob | If you have a 64-bit-capable x86 CPU, yes. |
| 05:23.36 | ThinkRob | But see above. |
| 05:23.43 | ThinkRob | Make sure you read the rest of the wiki. |
| 05:23.53 | ironcamel | hmmm, which wiki, the backports one? |
| 05:23.58 | ThinkRob | No. |
| 05:24.09 | ThinkRob | The wiki.debian.org one we posted way up earlier. |
| 05:24.18 | ThinkRob | Personally, I'd just connect up to Ethernet and install the necessary packages through apt |
| 05:24.20 | streuner | <streuner> ironcamel: details are here - http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 05:24.29 | ironcamel | ah |
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| 05:25.35 | ironcamel | streuner: so that means i need to download more debs? |
| 05:25.47 | ironcamel | it wants me to aptitude install stuff |
| 05:26.00 | ThinkRob | ^ |
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| 05:26.15 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: oh |
| 05:26.23 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: so i should just enable backports? |
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| 05:26.44 | ThinkRob | I would. |
| 05:26.59 | ironcamel | ok, that seems easier |
| 05:27.14 | ironcamel | i'll have to do this tomorrow then |
| 05:27.18 | ironcamel | thanks for your help! |
| 05:27.22 | ironcamel | ThinkRob++ |
| 05:27.25 | ironcamel | streuner++ |
| 05:27.25 | MyNickIsLongerTh | I've been using Ubuntu for quite a while, but I'm wondering whether there might be some advantages to Debian over ubuntu? |
| 05:27.46 | ironcamel | MyNickIsLongerTh: i'm switching from ubuntu to debian as well |
| 05:27.48 | streuner | MyNickIsLongerTh: /msg dpkg why Debian |
| 05:27.50 | ironcamel | trying to at least :) |
| 05:27.55 | MyNickIsLongerTh | heh |
| 05:28.04 | MyNickIsLongerTh | (I'm a bit frustrated with Ubuntu) |
| 05:28.07 | ironcamel | me too |
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| 05:28.13 | ironcamel | that unity ui is crap |
| 05:28.32 | ThinkRob | MyNickIsLongerTh: No Unity and no rich dot-com millionaire with a grand vision for the distro. Both of these can be pros or cons depending on whom you ask. |
| 05:28.37 | ironcamel | its a crappy ripoff of apple's crappy os |
| 05:28.55 | aBound | Debian is far more stable than Ubuntu and Ubuntu uses Debian's unstable branch for it's non-lts releases and for it's lts release it uses Debian's testing branch. |
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| 05:29.09 | MyNickIsLongerTh | I'm not a fan of Unity, but I am a fan of gnome 3 |
| 05:29.11 | ironcamel | even when i installed openbox. ubuntu somehow had dug its claws into that. |
| 05:29.11 | aBound | Ubuntu is more bleeding edge and uses a newer kernel. |
| 05:29.22 | ironcamel | gnome 3 is broken as well imo |
| 05:29.28 | ironcamel | gnome shell i mean |
| 05:29.28 | MyNickIsLongerTh | iron: how so? |
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| 05:29.41 | ironcamel | MyNickIsLongerTh: have you tried alt-tabbing between windows for example? |
| 05:29.49 | aBound | Ubuntu LTS releases are more stable over time as they mature. |
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| 05:29.58 | MyNickIsLongerTh | I think so, but I don't usually switch windows via alt-tab |
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| 05:30.01 | MyNickIsLongerTh | what happens when you do? |
| 05:30.07 | ThinkRob | Unity isn't horrible IMHO, and it does have the advantage of being developed by people with slightly less of a "fuck you, you're wrong" attitude than the GNOME project... but it's not great. |
| 05:30.13 | ironcamel | MyNickIsLongerTh: if you have 2 terminals open it doesn't switch between them |
| 05:30.20 | MyNickIsLongerTh | (I'm not on my ubuntu machine's console at the moment) |
| 05:30.23 | ironcamel | i'm a coder, so i need to switch between terminals often |
| 05:30.33 | ironcamel | it switches between "apps" instead of between "windows" |
| 05:30.39 | ThinkRob | Then again, I use openbox + tint2 on one box and mwm/OCDE on another, so what the hell do I know... |
| 05:30.39 | MyNickIsLongerTh | interesting |
| 05:30.48 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: i use openbox as well |
| 05:30.48 | MyNickIsLongerTh | does control-tab switch windows? |
| 05:30.58 | ironcamel | MyNickIsLongerTh: alt-~ |
| 05:31.03 | ironcamel | or alt-` |
| 05:31.53 | MyNickIsLongerTh | so debian updates less frequently? |
| 05:32.07 | ThinkRob | They don't use bleeding-edge software. |
| 05:32.16 | ThinkRob | Releases are "when they're ready". |
| 05:32.24 | MyNickIsLongerTh | I've often found that an ubuntu upgrade breaks things badly |
| 05:32.34 | ThinkRob | Which generally means older packages, but the upshot is that this means more stable, better-tested packages. |
| 05:32.36 | sheep | well the stable branch isn't updated as frequently, but it does get updates for bug fixes and security fixes |
| 05:32.41 | MyNickIsLongerTh | like, oops, you weren't expecting to continue to use 3D drivers, were you? |
| 05:32.46 | ThinkRob | sheep is correct. |
| 05:32.55 | sheep | but a new stable release is relatively infrequent compared to ubuntu |
| 05:33.02 | ThinkRob | Security fixes are of course regularly offered. |
| 05:33.34 | MyNickIsLongerTh | is there anything that would prevent me from installing something more bleeding edge on top of it, such as gnome shell, or the latest chrome, etc? |
| 05:33.41 | ThinkRob | Sanity? |
| 05:33.43 | MyNickIsLongerTh | ha |
| 05:33.55 | MyNickIsLongerTh | ok, besides that |
| 05:34.01 | ironcamel | MyNickIsLongerTh: i installed the latest chrome from google |
| 05:34.03 | ThinkRob | I mean... yeah, you could install GNOME 3 on squeeze, but then you'd have GNOME 3. |
| 05:34.06 | ThinkRob | But yes, you can. |
| 05:34.09 | ironcamel | on my linux mint debian box |
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| 05:34.37 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: squeeze still has the sane gnome ui? |
| 05:34.42 | ThinkRob | I'm not a fan of Chrome, so I don't know about that personally. |
| 05:34.46 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: It does. |
| 05:34.57 | MyNickIsLongerTh | are there any limitations that you see in debian that you might not find in another distro? |
| 05:34.58 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: cool! but then wheezy is going to be gnome shell? |
| 05:35.03 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: Although I personally I dumped GNOME ages ago. |
| 05:35.06 | ThinkRob | No idea. |
| 05:35.23 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: yeah, i'm pretty happy with openbox |
| 05:35.28 | MyNickIsLongerTh | is performance any better, worse, or the same as ubuntu? |
| 05:35.32 | sheep | there is testing and unstable, but those can be tricky to maintain sometimes and occasionally break |
| 05:35.36 | ironcamel | but for like when my wife gets on the computer |
| 05:35.40 | ThinkRob | I stopped caring about GNOME after they spent ages explaining why users didn't need to be able to configure lid close behavior. |
| 05:35.43 | ironcamel | she probably will not want to use openbox |
| 05:35.51 | ThinkRob | MyNickIsLongerTh: Absolutely impossible to say. |
| 05:35.56 | ThinkRob | The performance of what? |
| 05:35.58 | ironcamel | but for here, the gnome shell limitations probably wont matter anyway |
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| 05:36.06 | ThinkRob | What software? What operating conditions? What hardware? |
| 05:36.06 | ThinkRob | Etc. |
| 05:36.27 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: XFCE would be my recommendation to people who want a nice normal GUI. |
| 05:36.40 | sheep | it's funny watching the health sciences, engineering, and biology majors try to use the desktops running GNOME in the linux lan |
| 05:36.52 | MyNickIsLongerTh | think: program launch time, time for windows to render, power usage, etc. |
| 05:37.06 | ironcamel | well, xfce is pretty ugly imo |
| 05:37.07 | streuner | dpkg, gentoosmite MyNickIsLongerTh |
| 05:37.07 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling MyNickIsLongerTh, and when it's all done, MyNickIsLongerTh runs 8% slower than previously |
| 05:37.11 | ironcamel | openbox even looks better :) |
| 05:37.24 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: Uh... it's completely themeable. |
| 05:37.30 | ironcamel | oh, cool |
| 05:37.31 | MyNickIsLongerTh | streuner: ha |
| 05:37.49 | ThinkRob | MyNickIsLongerTh: Again, you're asking for an absolute answer to something that is heavily dependent on specifics. |
| 05:38.48 | MyNickIsLongerTh | think: my current linux box is a Core 2 architecture Pentium desktop with 2 GB RAM |
| 05:39.08 | MyNickIsLongerTh | it's not a particularly fast machine |
| 05:39.13 | ThinkRob | I don't know what to tell you, other than that there is no way to provide an accurate answer. |
| 05:39.30 | ThinkRob | Aw screw it. Yeah, it'll be exactly 7.8% faster at opening windows. |
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| 05:39.33 | ThinkRob | Better? |
| 05:39.34 | ThinkRob | :P |
| 05:39.36 | MyNickIsLongerTh | haha |
| 05:39.36 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: what do you think about this, could i just install wheezy? |
| 05:39.42 | streuner | MyNickIsLongerTh: WELL, if you just ask in that way, basically both distros use a Linux kernel... |
| 05:39.55 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: I would not recommend testing unless you know how to fix things that break. |
| 05:39.58 | aBound | One distro might have a newer kernel. ha :P |
| 05:40.11 | MyNickIsLongerTh | how about maintenance? |
| 05:40.35 | streuner | aBound: newer kernels arent faster, they just supports more hardware in most cases. |
| 05:40.46 | MyNickIsLongerTh | in ubuntu, I can do apt-get upgrade, but there's also a way to set it to update automagically |
| 05:41.09 | aBound | streuner, I know but they also have bug fixes and security fixes. |
| 05:41.15 | MyNickIsLongerTh | does debian support that as well? |
| 05:41.27 | ThinkRob | MyNickIsLongerTh: Yes. |
| 05:41.33 | Arafangion | Oh, new kernels _could_ be faster. |
| 05:41.44 | MyNickIsLongerTh | do they support the same drivers? |
| 05:41.56 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: do you have an opinion about crunchbang linux? |
| 05:41.57 | aBound | In existence there could be a flaw in an older kernel. |
| 05:42.09 | ironcamel | i have it on one of my computers |
| 05:42.09 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: Yes. |
| 05:42.26 | ironcamel | it seems to be squeeze, + a crunchbang repo enabled |
| 05:42.30 | ThinkRob | It's squeeze plus a couple packages with openbox + tint2 pre-configured. |
| 05:43.02 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: will i be frowned upon by #debian people if i installed that? |
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| 05:43.17 | ThinkRob | I'll still love you. |
| 05:43.21 | ironcamel | haha |
| 05:43.24 | ThinkRob | :D |
| 05:43.25 | aBound | Nobody likes fluxbox? :P |
| 05:43.25 | streuner | aBound: the real headaches are the "modern" browser and "modern" DEs, IMO :-) |
| 05:43.35 | ThinkRob | No, it's still basically squeeze. |
| 05:43.37 | ironcamel | i remember i asked a question about linux mint debian, which i am currently running, and i got yelled at |
| 05:43.38 | aBound | What's a DE? |
| 05:43.47 | ThinkRob | But honestly, if you're gonna do that, why not just... you know... keep running squeeze? |
| 05:43.55 | streuner | desktop-environment, like GNOME or KDE. |
| 05:44.04 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: That's because Mint is pretty different from Debian. |
| 05:44.16 | ThinkRob | (I guess. I don't really yell at people, so I don't know.) |
| 05:44.32 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: were you saying i should just keep running squeeze? |
| 05:44.38 | streuner | aBound: those things make the machines really slow |
| 05:44.40 | ThinkRob | As opposed to Crunchbang? |
| 05:44.42 | ThinkRob | Yeah, I would. |
| 05:44.51 | ironcamel | ThinkRob: because of this whole kernel thing |
| 05:44.55 | ironcamel | and wifi issue |
| 05:44.56 | aBound | Bottlenecks. :P |
| 05:45.30 | ThinkRob | IIRC Crunchbang uses the standard squeeze kernel. |
| 05:45.30 | aBound | I would probably wait for Debian 7.0 if I were to use Debian. :P |
| 05:45.34 | ThinkRob | Or at least it did when I checked. |
| 05:46.02 | ironcamel | then yeah, there is no advantage really |
| 05:46.05 | ThinkRob | ironcamel: I'd just plug in the wired NIC, install the requisite packages, and stick with squeeze. |
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| 05:46.11 | ThinkRob | But do as you wish. |
| 05:46.16 | Rosenzweig | Does anyone mind helping me with a simple grub issue? |
| 05:46.21 | ironcamel | i'll probably end up doing that |
| 05:47.11 | aBound | I heard nVidia was hopping on the Linux bandwagon. |
| 05:48.48 | ThinkRob | aBound: Yeah, they joined the Linux Foundation, IIRC. Too bad their drivers are still closed-source and rather finicky. |
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| 05:49.01 | ThinkRob | I like 'em well enough for their FreeBSD support though. |
| 05:51.04 | aBound | ThinkRob, No doubt but who knows they might change their minds. |
| 05:51.04 | MyNickIsLongerTh | what do you prefer about openbox? |
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| 05:51.39 | aBound | If FreeBSD had the same amount of hardware support as Linux I would be using that. |
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| 05:54.58 | um__ | 1st time xen install - i installed a minimal cli debian within virtualbox. the help doc http://wiki.debian.org/Xen is no help at all - it is written for someone already familiar enough with xen to not need such a help doc in the first place |
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| 05:55.09 | um__ | can someone please direct me to better documentation for xen on debian 6 |
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| 05:56.22 | aBound | I would say try the Xen website for documentation. But I can't say if that'll help. |
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| 06:00.29 | aBound | :P |
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| 06:03.41 | aBound | Wow, all of a sudden the channel died. |
| 06:04.21 | beder | HELLO I'M ALIVE |
| 06:04.27 | beder | and drunk |
| 06:04.32 | beder | but mostly alive |
| 06:05.54 | aBound | teehee |
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| 06:11.08 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
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| 06:14.42 | boudiccas | ,versions libreoffice |
| 06:14.43 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.4.6-2; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; experimental: 1:3.5.1-1 |
| 06:15.33 | boudiccas | ,versions kmymoney |
| 06:15.34 | judd | Package: kmymoney on i386 -- squeeze: 3.98.1-2; sid: 4.6.2-1; wheezy: 4.6.2-1 |
| 06:15.38 | beder | devhell: I don't see any error |
| 06:15.56 | beder | wait, yes I do, I'm blind I think |
| 06:16.10 | beder | tr apt-get autoremove and apt-get -f install |
| 06:16.18 | beder | see how that goes |
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| 06:19.12 | steve11 | Are securing and/or hardening appropriate tasks for a debian install to be used for personal computing? |
| 06:19.27 | steve11 | (as opposed to a server ) |
| 06:20.11 | beder | steve11: if you want it to be, sure |
| 06:20.47 | steve11 | would you consider it overkill for the average user |
| 06:20.51 | beder | yes |
| 06:21.09 | beder | but I like top-notch |
| 06:21.19 | beder | I like having kernel 3.2 and KDE 4.8 |
| 06:21.23 | beder | what do YOU like? |
| 06:21.26 | steve11 | yeah i have that kind of 'make it better' itch, i know what you mean |
| 06:21.33 | steve11 | i want closer to perfect |
| 06:21.41 | beder | there's no perfect |
| 06:21.44 | steve11 | as streamlined as possible, fast as possible, etc |
| 06:21.51 | beder | there's stable, there's old, and there's cutting-edge |
| 06:22.04 | beder | I find wheezy quite stable, and squeeze quite old, and sid quite unstable |
| 06:22.14 | beder | but I am sure there a ton of people that disagree with me |
| 06:22.18 | beder | it's your choice really |
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| 06:22.25 | steve11 | have you hardened your install? |
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| 06:23.24 | beder | I'm running wheezy, without modifications, and I access it through a router that doesn't accept incoming conncetions |
| 06:23.28 | beder | not sure if that's what you mean |
| 06:23.46 | beder | and the only service I have running is sshd that I access from my LAN |
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| 06:24.15 | beder | if you want to know if I made any modifications to iptables, or if I set up any custom firewall, the answer is no |
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| 06:25.00 | steve11 | awesome |
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| 06:25.28 | beder | I don't see the need on a home computer really |
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| 06:25.43 | beder | if someone wanna brute force my sshd server well, they sure will get my monography! |
| 06:25.49 | beder | and my bookmarks! |
| 06:25.52 | beder | so what? |
| 06:25.54 | steve11 | hah |
| 06:25.56 | beder | why would anyone bother? |
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| 06:26.49 | steve11 | does ssh allow file transfers? |
| 06:26.56 | steve11 | is that what you use it for on your LAN? |
| 06:26.58 | beder | yes, a protocol called SCP |
| 06:27.28 | steve11 | do you have to make the tunnel before you can send something via SCP? |
| 06:27.34 | beder | no |
| 06:27.35 | beder | wait |
| 06:27.41 | beder | you mean, you have to connect through ssh? |
| 06:27.48 | beder | you do ahve to give a user/pass or a key |
| 06:27.50 | steve11 | yes, do you have to do that first? |
| 06:27.58 | beder | not first, it's a different thing |
| 06:28.06 | beder | same principle and same port though |
| 06:28.31 | steve11 | would you say that's the most efficient way to transfer files directly between linux machines on a LAN |
| 06:28.37 | beder | the scp command opens an ssh connection and transfers a file through it |
| 06:28.44 | steve11 | didn |
| 06:28.48 | steve11 | t know that! |
| 06:29.11 | beder | there are quicker ways |
| 06:29.27 | beder | there's a ṕythong script that opens an http server on a given folder and share the contents of it |
| 06:29.32 | beder | it won't be encirpted or anything |
| 06:29.36 | steve11 | i was looking into that tonight |
| 06:29.39 | beder | but you won't need a user nor a password |
| 06:29.42 | steve11 | just local, secure file transfer |
| 06:29.49 | steve11 | two machines both in my apartment |
| 06:30.00 | steve11 | say, a huge .avi file |
| 06:30.01 | beder | than go ssh/scp |
| 06:30.13 | steve11 | awesome |
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| 06:30.22 | steve11 | this will be my first time setting up ssh |
| 06:30.29 | steve11 | is it a service that just needs to be enabled? |
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| 06:31.06 | steve11 | (i will be looking this up during -not lazy - but i like hearing things from actual people) |
| 06:31.12 | beder | sshd is the daemon that must be running in the servers, correct |
| 06:31.24 | beder | it will allow a client to use ssh/scp to connect to it |
| 06:31.34 | beder | sshd -> daemon (server) |
| 06:31.36 | beder | ssh -> client |
| 06:31.39 | steve11 | ahhh |
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| 06:32.24 | steve11 | did you set up a machine at your place that's just a server? |
| 06:32.34 | steve11 | i think that'd be a cool project |
| 06:32.40 | steve11 | THE BEDER CLOUD |
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| 06:32.47 | beder | haha |
| 06:32.49 | beder | no man |
| 06:33.06 | beder | I have two machines only on my LAN. mu laptop and a desktop |
| 06:33.17 | beder | the desktop is a window smachine that the GF uses |
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| 06:33.27 | beder | the laptop is...we ll... my laptop that runs debian |
| 06:33.34 | steve11 | so the router is a huge factor here as far as security |
| 06:33.41 | beder | honestly, I use mostly sambaclient to connect to windows |
| 06:34.15 | beder | well, the router won't forward any ports you don't tell it to. which by default are none. So none of your computers are actually "exposed to the internet" by default |
| 06:34.24 | steve11 | yeah i've been surprised at how well debian (and the derivatives) work with windows shares and the like |
| 06:34.44 | steve11 | that's good to know, that's my concern about setting up ssh and things |
| 06:34.57 | beder | smbclient is pretty much default on any distro, and the compatiliby with konqueror/tunar is amazing |
| 06:35.01 | steve11 | i don't know a ton yet and worry about opening up something or setting it up wrong |
| 06:35.29 | beder | if you type \\192.169.132.1 (for example)on the "run" window from gnome or kde they'll pretty much connect to said windowsmachine |
| 06:36.00 | beder | but as far as "internet" is concerned, if you have adsl you ahve a router, and if you have a router it will only allow incoming conncetions if you tell it to |
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| 06:36.50 | steve11 | it's all very fascinating and overwhelming at first |
| 06:37.07 | steve11 | what kind of laptop do you run your debian on |
| 06:37.21 | beder | haha |
| 06:37.25 | beder | a very regular one |
| 06:37.32 | beder | an HP with Intel Pentium |
| 06:37.37 | steve11 | i'm not a gear nerd |
| 06:38.04 | beder | me neither :-) |
| 06:38.09 | steve11 | i'm talking with you right now on a sh*t*ass $300 netbook with a 1.6ghz processor |
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| 06:38.18 | steve11 | which runs like SUPREMO with debian |
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| 06:38.26 | steve11 | i have become a total fanboy |
| 06:38.40 | steve11 | i want to like buy debian shirts and stuff it's ridiculous |
| 06:39.12 | beder | hahah |
| 06:39.13 | beder | good man |
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| 06:39.27 | beder | to be honest, I'm not much of a debian fan boy even tough I am using it right now |
| 06:39.34 | beder | but it is a good distro to be hooked up to |
| 06:39.40 | beder | at least it's not ubuntu :-) |
| 06:39.44 | steve11 | i like it so much i can't even describe, i have no idea why though |
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| 06:39.50 | steve11 | haha what's bad about ubuntu? |
| 06:40.05 | beder | you'll never learn linux using ubuntu, you'll learn ubuntu |
| 06:40.14 | beder | debian is a little bit like that too, but not so much |
| 06:40.15 | nyuszika7h | Hi. I think that my UTF-8 support is working properly, but I see weird characters in aptitude-curses' main screen. I'll screenshot in a sec. |
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| 06:41.46 | steve11 | probably beyond my scope |
| 06:41.53 | steve11 | beder, thanks for the words buddy have a good one |
| 06:42.06 | beder | sure man |
| 06:42.09 | beder | enjoy your ride |
| 06:42.12 | beder | it will be a fun one |
| 06:43.56 | boudiccas | ,versions gnome |
| 06:43.57 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+7 |
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| 06:44.49 | nyuszika7h | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51590303/aptitude-weird-characters.png |
| 06:45.33 | boudiccas | ,versions opera |
| 06:45.34 | judd | No package named 'opera' was found in i386. |
| 06:46.05 | nyuszika7h | ,versions opera-browser |
| 06:46.07 | judd | No package named 'opera-browser' was found in i386. |
| 06:46.12 | boudiccas | ,versions iceweasel |
| 06:46.13 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-13; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-13; sid: 10.0.3esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.3esr-2; experimental: 11.0-3 |
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| 06:46.53 | nyuszika7h | You might want to take this to a /query, and apparently Opera isn't in squeeze nor squeeze-backports |
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| 06:48.37 | beder | the binary form opear's site works quite well |
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| 06:56.31 | nyuszika7h | Can anyone help me? |
| 06:56.54 | nyuszika7h | 08:40:15 nyuszika7h | Hi. I think that my UTF-8 support is working properly, but I see weird characters in aptitude-curses' main screen. 08:44:49 nyuszika7h | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51590303/aptitude-weird-characters.png |
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| 07:03.33 | valdyn | nyuszika7h: your ssh client needs to have utf-8 enagled too |
| 07:04.01 | valdyn | nyuszika7h: *enabled*, and obvious the font used needs to have at least all glyphs used |
| 07:04.02 | nyuszika7h | valdyn: KiTTY is set to UTF-8, and line drawing characters work properly in my IRC client |
| 07:04.09 | nyuszika7h | Hmm, maybe it's a font issue then. |
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| 07:04.55 | nyuszika7h | I changed to Consolas, now I see something different, but I don't know is it supposed to look like that. |
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| 07:06.14 | nyuszika7h | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51590303/aptitude-weird-characters-2.png |
| 07:06.31 | valdyn | nyuszika7h: looks good |
| 07:06.37 | nyuszika7h | Ok |
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| 07:37.49 | daskreech | why does the linux-headers package require gcc4.3 ? |
| 07:37.57 | daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:38.00 | wiherek | hi |
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| 07:40.33 | daskreech | hi |
| 07:40.40 | wiherek | I have a VPN: 4GHz, 4GB RAM. I will use it for Drupal sites, based on NGINX and Varnish. Now I need to choose OS. I get to choose from Debian 6 minimal 32 / 64 bit, Ubuntu 10.10 32 / 64 bit or Ubuntu 11.04 32 or 64 bit. Which one should I choose (and why?) |
| 07:40.43 | valdyn | daskreech: nothing wrong with it. The reason linux-headers depends on a specific gcc version is that the matching kernel was compiled with that version |
| 07:41.07 | valdyn | wiherek: you mean vps, i guess |
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| 07:41.15 | wiherek | yea :) |
| 07:41.36 | daskreech | valdyn: ah kk |
| 07:41.43 | valdyn | !why debian |
| 07:41.44 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 07:41.53 | valdyn | !why not debian |
| 07:41.58 | valdyn | hah! surprise! |
| 07:42.05 | valdyn | wiherek: ^^ |
| 07:42.24 | Rix | can someone explain how should i make 2. of preparation under windows -=10:40:53=- [V-o-o-d-o-o!admin@VoodooNet.biz] :) |
| 07:42.28 | Rix | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 07:42.45 | Rix | # dd if=debian-*-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX # where sdX is the device your USB media is using |
| 07:42.46 | Rix | this |
| 07:43.08 | wiherek | ok, but 64 or 32 bit? |
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| 07:43.55 | valdyn | wiherek: doesnt matter |
| 07:44.33 | Rix | 64 |
| 07:44.37 | valdyn | wiherek: or its not possible to give a qualified answer without some in depth analysis that you can only do *after* the system is running |
| 07:44.41 | Rix | but the system i will install debian is 32 |
| 07:45.39 | Rix | i have empty usb.. i can reboot in the machine using another live usb to do the trick but is there a way just to built the image under windows |
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| 07:46.13 | daskreech | valdyn: why does dpkg have a deb? how would you install the .deb if you don't have dpkg in the first place? |
| 07:46.36 | valdyn | daskreech: how do you think new versions of dpkg get installed? |
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| 07:47.57 | daskreech | valdyn: Right I guess for updates. But say when you are doing in netinstall. does it install a deb of dpkg first? or does it just copy the binaries to the right place then installs the deb it downloaded which overwrites the binaries installing it? |
| 07:48.15 | Rix | is it possible to # dd if=debian-*-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX # where sdX is the device your USB |
| 07:48.18 | Rix | under windows |
| 07:49.00 | valdyn | Rix: wrong channel |
| 07:49.19 | Rix | where should i go i read this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
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| 07:50.36 | dekatch^ | Rix you want a windows and debian dual install? |
| 07:50.46 | valdyn | daskreech: the installer probably has a few udebs that are extracted. I dont know what happens exactly. |
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| 07:51.29 | Rix | dekatch^ i want to install a debian on a machine that has only usb stick, i have a laptop on a windows and want to make the image for the usb and then plug it to the other machine to install |
| 07:52.00 | daskreech | valdyn: Wouldn't those still need dpkg? |
| 07:52.12 | daskreech | Rix: It has no hard drive? |
| 07:52.14 | Rix | i am reading this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller and don't know that to do under my laptop's windows |
| 07:52.19 | Rix | it has hard drive |
| 07:52.21 | valdyn | daskreech: sure |
| 07:52.22 | dekatch^ | you have a laptop on a windows running! uhm, thats so simple, download unetbootin, create a bootable usb stick with debian and run this |
| 07:52.29 | daskreech | Rix: look at unetbootin |
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| 07:52.39 | Rix | thanks |
| 07:52.42 | Rix | :))) |
| 07:52.43 | valdyn | daskreech: this is not very hard or complex |
| 07:52.45 | daskreech | valdyn: hmmm |
| 07:52.55 | valdyn | daskreech: theres no chicken and egg problem |
| 07:53.10 | daskreech | valdyn: so you can apt-get remove dpkg and then reinstall it? |
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| 07:53.28 | dekatch^ | Rix, make sure you have enough partitions! read some tutorials before you proceed |
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| 07:54.11 | Rix | and isnt it better to run a live usb then follow the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller and built the image on the other usb stick |
| 07:54.25 | dekatch^ | Rix i strongly recommend following this method http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/17/how-to-dual-boot-debian-6-and-windows-7/ |
| 07:54.29 | Rix | instead of doing it on win |
| 07:55.00 | dekatch^ | Rix, create your usb stick on a windows! that doesnt matter |
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| 07:55.21 | valdyn | daskreech: *I* can |
| 07:55.23 | dekatch^ | but follow this tutorial http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/17/how-to-dual-boot-debian-6-and-windows-7/ |
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| 07:55.56 | daskreech | valdyn: lol :) emphasis noted |
| 07:56.17 | valdyn | daskreech: its not very hard, think about it |
| 07:56.42 | daskreech | well you remove dpkg which gets rid of the packages |
| 07:56.52 | daskreech | I mean the files |
| 07:57.17 | daskreech | if you download the deb package I suppose you could just extract it and put the files back yourself then run dpkg again |
| 07:57.32 | valdyn | daskreech: sure |
| 07:57.58 | daskreech | presuming that you had extraction tools |
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| 08:14.35 | devios | was trying to get fully updated to squeeze, and got a weird error following reboot into 2.6.32-5-686, and subsequent "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", while doing aptitude purge '~o' - http://paste.debian.net/161492/ - anyone have any clue what's going on there or how to fix? |
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| 08:14.45 | nixit | Hi. What ports can open for IRC? |
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| 08:15.21 | nixit | ðÒÏÓÔÉÔÅ, ÂÌÑ, ÍÏÊ ÆÒÁÎÃÕÚÓËÉÊ. |
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| 08:15.49 | ompaul | nixit: 6667 is normal and this is an english language channel |
| 08:16.05 | devios | nixit: default irc port is tcp 6667, but many irc networks use non-standard ports, and/or different ports for ssl connections, like 9999, 7000, 6697, etc. |
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| 08:17.21 | BenNZ | devios: there is little point running upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 08:17.50 | nixit | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.07 | devios | BenNZ: thx, but the error comes from running "aptitude purge '~o'" |
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| 08:18.24 | devios | BenNZ: the upgrade and dist-upgrade work fine |
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| 08:18.58 | BenNZ | devios: i dont see the point in running them both |
| 08:19.10 | devios | nixit: if you are trying to run an irc server, i suppose you'd have to open a port (probably 6667) |
| 08:19.55 | devios | BenNZ: ah, that's a discussion for someone well above my knowledge level |
| 08:20.13 | devios | BenNZ: i just want my aptitude-purge command to work. |
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| 08:21.20 | devios | BenNZ: without suggesting i remove my currently-running kernel as a solution to a problem i dont understand |
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| 08:21.48 | BenNZ | devios: what package are you wanting to remove? |
| 08:22.23 | devios | http://paste.debian.net/161492/ |
| 08:23.14 | BenNZ | devios: i wouldnt recommend removing those? |
| 08:23.25 | devios | exactly. |
| 08:23.39 | sephii | what driver should I use for 3d acceleration on an intel 945GM chipset? I tried the intel one, but as stated in the README file, it's a 2d driver |
| 08:23.47 | mjt | linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 -- that's some old linux install... ;) |
| 08:24.03 | BenNZ | devios: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 08:24.21 | valdyn | sephii: thats the right driver, even for 3D |
| 08:24.47 | devios | BenNZ: get rid of config files for packages i no longer need, via the command: aptitude purge '~o' |
| 08:25.15 | BenNZ | devios: what packages do you no longer need? |
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| 08:25.49 | mjt | devios: you may try installing udev and busybox (and maybe libvolume-id0 too) explicitly before doing that |
| 08:25.55 | devios | BenNZ: the ones listed at the top of that pastebin that are going to be removed. |
| 08:26.22 | mjt | devios: but it really is a very old install, if you'll try to upgrade it to squeeze it will be problematic. |
| 08:26.48 | devios | mjt: im pretty sure it's fully updated to squeeze now. |
| 08:26.54 | mjt | no |
| 08:27.14 | mjt | ,versions initramfs-tools |
| 08:27.15 | judd | Package: initramfs-tools on i386 -- lenny: 0.92o; lenny-backports: 0.94.4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.98.8; squeeze-backports: 0.99~bpo60+1; sid: 0.101; wheezy: 0.101 |
| 08:27.23 | mjt | well. might be :) |
| 08:27.30 | mjt | ,versions libvolume-id0 |
| 08:27.31 | judd | Package: libvolume-id0 on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3 |
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| 08:27.48 | mjt | you're running udev from pre-lenny |
| 08:28.14 | valdyn | devios: why would you say that its fully upgraded? how would you know? |
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| 08:29.12 | devios | mjt: valdyn: maybe "fully updated" was a bad choice of words, but I'm trying to run this purge command at the end of following the steps to upgrade to squeeze |
| 08:29.44 | mjt | anyway. install udev and busybox from squeeze, and after that you'll be able to remove the old cruft. |
| 08:29.51 | devios | mjt: valdyn: that said, the system was kind of in between lenny and squeeze for some time, due to using "stable" in the sources.list file instead of squeeze or lenny |
| 08:30.02 | mjt | um |
| 08:30.09 | mjt | that's dubious statement :) |
| 08:30.17 | devios | no kidding |
| 08:30.20 | valdyn | devios: theres even older stuff on your system |
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| 08:30.40 | mjt | gcc-3.3-base, ipchains... oh well ;) |
| 08:31.22 | devios | "udev is already the newest version." |
| 08:31.30 | mjt | which? |
| 08:31.34 | mjt | ,versions udev |
| 08:31.35 | judd | Package: udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 175-3.1; wheezy: 175-3.1 |
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| 08:31.59 | valdyn | devios: we want to see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:32.07 | mjt | current udev depends on libvolume-id1, not libvolume-id0 |
| 08:32.33 | devios | http://paste.debian.net/161515/ |
| 08:33.11 | mjt | um. no, not libvolume-id1. |
| 08:33.29 | valdyn | devios: "apt-cache policy udev" |
| 08:34.06 | devios | http://paste.debian.net/161516/ |
| 08:34.10 | mjt | devios: you can run http://stateful.de/~carsten/bin/apt-listrepository -- it will print, for each _installed_ package, where it is from according to your current sources.list |
| 08:34.27 | sephii | valdyn: alright thanks |
| 08:34.30 | mjt | here we go |
| 08:34.59 | valdyn | devios: you need to fix your backports pin that you or someone else setup a long time ago.. |
| 08:35.00 | mjt | that's a nice mix of versions... |
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| 08:35.20 | devios | valdyn: what's a that? lol |
| 08:35.31 | mjt | paste /etc/apt/preferences pls |
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| 08:36.16 | mjt | it'd be a miracle if the system will boot and work after all this :) |
| 08:36.30 | devios | http://paste.debian.net/161517/ |
| 08:36.47 | valdyn | haha, nice! |
| 08:36.57 | mjt | just remove everything from ther |
| 08:36.58 | mjt | e |
| 08:37.01 | valdyn | devios: remove the whole file! |
| 08:37.25 | devios | then what? |
| 08:37.26 | mjt | you can keep the file but remove the content ;) |
| 08:37.35 | mjt | and try upgrading again |
| 08:38.09 | mjt | but i bet the original system was installed before sarge |
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| 08:38.19 | devios | mjt: ya |
| 08:38.21 | mjt | smells like potato |
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| 08:39.09 | mjt | or more likely woody |
| 08:39.09 | devios | well this looks scary: http://paste.debian.net/161519/ |
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| 08:39.28 | mjt | remove makedev |
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| 08:39.55 | devios | apt-get remove makedev ? |
| 08:40.01 | valdyn | devios: those "errors" are not a problem |
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| 08:40.18 | mjt | but i wonder why the fs is read-only |
| 08:40.22 | wtf911 | fuckin nigger |
| 08:40.38 | wtf911 | get money bitch3zzzzzzz |
| 08:40.45 | valdyn | !ops wtf911 |
| 08:40.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: wtf911 |
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| 08:41.37 | wtf911 | LMAOOO |
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| 08:41.41 | wtf911 | !ops valdyn |
| 08:41.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wtf911 complains about: valdyn |
| 08:41.51 | wtf911 | fuck you |
| 08:42.05 | wtf911 | do something bitch |
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| 08:42.34 | devios | mjt: valdyn: so what next? |
| 08:42.54 | valdyn | devios: upgrade your system |
| 08:43.04 | wtf911 | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 08:43.34 | BeastNZ | :0 |
| 08:43.53 | wtf911 | :0 indeed |
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| 08:44.28 | Rydekull | Silence |
| 08:44.45 | peterrooney | You cannot possibly be that stupid. Ergo, you are vicious. |
| 08:45.24 | Rydekull | i like how he felt frustrated when everything just went silent :-P |
| 08:46.45 | guardian | morning |
| 08:47.15 | guardian | is there a security difference between 1) run backup script as root 2) run backup script as unprivileged user that can sudo "rdiff-backup" without passwd? both triggered by cron |
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| 08:48.02 | valdyn | guardian: thats an obvious situation, why are you asking? |
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| 08:49.39 | guardian | is it that obvious? :/ creating an unprivileged backup user who in the end needs to sudo to operate the backup looks really close to having a backup script in root's home (protected with proper permissions) |
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| 08:51.41 | HeXiLeD | crap ... i deleted /usr/bin/ by mistake on a remote box. any ideas ? |
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| 08:51.50 | BeastNZ | eh...nice joke |
| 08:52.02 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 08:52.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged bunnies. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 08:52.43 | guardian | valdyn: dare to educate me? :) |
| 08:53.11 | daskreech | HeXiLeD: ctrl+z ? :) |
| 08:53.15 | peterrooney | HeXiLeD: do not log out at all; cd /var/cache/apt/archive; for i in * ; do dpkg -i "$i" ; done # plus, invoke $LC_DEITY |
| 08:53.27 | born2troll | guys is there ANY chance to get a newer alsa then the backport release? |
| 08:53.29 | valdyn | guardian: the only thing that backup user provides for you as protection from programming mistakes when he is not root |
| 08:53.44 | valdyn | guardian: the only thing that backup user provides for you *is* protection from programming mistakes when he is not root |
| 08:53.48 | daskreech | born2troll: yes |
| 08:54.09 | born2troll | daskreech, tell me more :) |
| 08:54.18 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.18 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii' |
| 08:54.25 | Rydekull | peterrooney: dpkg is in /usr/bin :-P |
| 08:54.27 | devios | valdyn: mjt: thx a ton - rebooted, then purge worked. |
| 08:54.46 | streuner | born2troll: why do you need a newer version? |
| 08:55.15 | born2troll | streuner, cause wine sound is lagging bad but maybe its just cause of pulseaudio... |
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| 08:55.54 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: Right.. so.. do you have another system running debian nearby, or a backup in someway for /usr/bin, nearby? |
| 08:56.00 | daskreech | born2troll: You can get newer packages from unstable or of course you can compile/package from the source repo |
| 08:56.24 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull i can get another system with debian. then upload the content ? |
| 08:56.28 | daskreech | valdyn: heehee Looks like my scenario just came up :) |
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| 08:56.36 | born2troll | daskreech, would you mind sending me a link... i cant find it |
| 08:56.44 | streuner | born2troll: what kind of kernel do you use? |
| 08:56.47 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: I'd upload the content of /usr/bin yes, then do what peterrooney said |
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| 08:56.53 | streuner | born2troll: 3.2 ? |
| 08:57.04 | HeXiLeD | going to try |
| 08:57.05 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: either mount nfs, copy by sftp, ftp, yeah, whatever services you can use on that machine |
| 08:57.07 | born2troll | streuner, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 08:57.11 | guardian | valdyn: allright, so storing my backup script in root's home, and running it as root as per root's crontab looks like less hassle. thank you for answering |
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| 08:57.32 | daskreech | HeXiLeD: you can grab the .dpkg deb from packages.debian.org and extract it then run dpkg against your apt cache |
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| 08:57.54 | streuner | born2troll: i dont see the need to use both alsa *and* pulse*, but anyway there is a kernel 3.2 in backports (/msg dpkg bpo kernel) |
| 08:58.00 | Lint | recalls a video driver removing /usr during install |
| 08:58.16 | Rydekull | guardian: The advantage of creating a user being able to execute that script is that you can remotely kick it into running |
| 08:58.45 | Error4o4 | when setting server's hostname.. /etc/hostname is it correct to set it as hname.domain.tld or only hname ? |
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| 08:58.55 | Rydekull | guardian: however, I'd still say you should store that backup-script in a "root-only" location, since you dont want anyone else then root to edit it |
| 08:59.25 | valdyn | Error4o4: only the hname |
| 08:59.30 | Error4o4 | valdyn: thanks |
| 08:59.49 | born2troll | streuner, why would i wanna upgrade the kernel? :o |
| 08:59.52 | Rydekull | Lint: I removed /etc on an AIX-machine once, due to a "bug" or feature as they actually called it in ksh |
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| 09:00.14 | streuner | born2troll: ALSA is the kernel by default... |
| 09:00.19 | streuner | in * |
| 09:00.44 | Rydekull | Lint: I had a symlink to /etc and if I removed that symlink with "rm /etc/" It'd remove the /etc-directory instead |
| 09:00.57 | Rydekull | Lint: If I however, removed it with "rm /etc" it wouldnt |
| 09:01.17 | Rydekull | Lint: ksh completion adds a / in the end of your double-escape however, so... |
| 09:01.40 | guardian | Rydekull: i guess I can securely kick that backup script by logging in as root with SSH key + PermitRoogLogin forced-commands-only equally securely? |
| 09:01.56 | guardian | guys sorry if i look slow, i'm inexperienced but full of good will nonetheless! |
| 09:01.57 | Rydekull | guardian: never permit root login |
| 09:01.59 | Rydekull | guardian: ever |
| 09:02.24 | Rydekull | (remotely that is) |
| 09:03.20 | guardian | hmm with sshd's PermitRootLogin foced-commands-only, if the forced command is compromised into a malicious one, then some attacked already have had access to the box anyway? |
| 09:03.29 | guardian | s/attacked/attacker |
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| 09:16.58 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, guess you mainly need to copy /usr/bin/dpkg and /usr/bin/apt-get |
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| 09:17.26 | HeXiLeD | iam installing debian on virtual box to d upload the files |
| 09:17.28 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, oh... and /usr/bin/awk |
| 09:17.36 | Iridos | then... how about |
| 09:17.40 | Iridos | dpkg, reinstall everything |
| 09:17.40 | dpkg | i heard reinstall everything is apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 09:17.49 | Iridos | (grep is in /bin/) |
| 09:17.57 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, ^^^ |
| 09:18.47 | Iridos | that's potentially better than copying all files in /usr/bin as a different install might have additional packages installed |
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| 09:20.06 | HeXiLeD | i see. what you mean and agree |
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| 09:20.38 | HeXiLeD | as long as i can get apt and dkpg |
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| 09:33.35 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, dpkg might need additional stuff from /usr/bin, (unpackers like ar and tar if that's not coded into dpkg itself) but you'll get errors for those |
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| 09:33.48 | Iridos | oh, tar's in bin |
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| 09:36.02 | dpkg | guest62858: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:36.39 | nick1st | I need reverse ssh command execution. How can I connect to a remote computer and make a *local* application start on the remote computer's x11 server? I mean without any intervention on the remote computer. |
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| 09:38.47 | cippaciong | hi everyone! |
| 09:38.51 | Iridos | nick1st, not easily anymore. you need the magic cookie... that used to be in ~/.Xauthority but now since gdm3 is somewhere else |
| 09:38.54 | cippaciong | I'm new to debian |
| 09:39.05 | cippaciong | I'm on testing right now |
| 09:39.12 | cippaciong | and i was trying to install wine |
| 09:39.25 | cippaciong | when I discovered is not in testing repo |
| 09:39.35 | cippaciong | does anyone know the reason? |
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| 09:41.05 | Iridos | nick1st, something like /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-youruser-KJ5gM8/database - the shells on the machine have that file set in $XAUTHORITY... so you can get the value of XAUTHORITY from /proc/<somePID>/environ , then copy the database file to ~/.Xauthority or use xauth to extract/list it... then just set DISPLAY=:0 (supposing the display is :0) and start the application |
| 09:41.33 | Iridos | judd, versions wine |
| 09:41.34 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 09:41.45 | Iridos | cippaciong, there's wine-unstable... or you can take the one from sid? |
| 09:41.52 | Iridos | dpkg, why is wine not in testing |
| 09:41.52 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
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| 09:42.02 | Iridos | cippaciong, also, follow the links in ^^^^ |
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| 09:42.36 | nick1st_ | Sorry, bad connection. If you answered in the meantime please send again. |
| 09:42.39 | Iridos | judd, versions wine-unstable |
| 09:42.40 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.36-1 |
| 09:42.48 | cippaciong | I'll read now |
| 09:43.05 | Iridos | <Iridos> nick1st, not easily anymore. you need the magic cookie... that used to be in ~/.Xauthority but now since gdm3 is somewhere else <Iridos> nick1st, something like /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-youruser-KJ5gM8/database - the shells on the machine have that file set in $XAUTHORITY... so you can get the value of XAUTHORITY from /proc/<somePID>/environ , then copy the database file to ~/.Xauthority or use xauth to extract/list it... then just set DISPLAY=:0 |
| 09:43.05 | Iridos | (supposing the display is :0) and start the application |
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| 09:43.52 | cippaciong | so |
| 09:43.57 | cippaciong | mainly is missing |
| 09:44.03 | jelly-home | !tell cippaciong about wine-unstable |
| 09:44.03 | cippaciong | due to some dependencies |
| 09:44.08 | cippaciong | that are not in testing |
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| 09:44.19 | HeXiLeD | Iridosjust found a nother problem. my remote install is 64bit and vbox does not take x86_64 but i686 . will the install still help me for the files i need ? |
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| 09:45.18 | nick1st_ | Iridos: Why not easily *anymore*? Did it use to be easy? |
| 09:45.49 | nick1st_ | Iridos: Oh, I see. It's about the magic cookie. |
| 09:45.58 | cippaciong | what should I do with wine-unstable? |
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| 09:50.13 | jelly-home | cippaciong: read what dpkg, the bot, told you in a private message (it may be in a separate tab/window) |
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| 09:51.36 | slikts_ | how do I list packages by source? I want to remove dotdeb packages I have |
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| 09:54.25 | slikts_ | dpkg --get-selections doesn´t show package source |
| 09:54.25 | dpkg | slikts_: are you using Windows? |
| 09:54.43 | slikts_ | dpkg: yes, I´m installing Debian packages on windows |
| 09:54.43 | dpkg | no idea, slikts_ |
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| 09:56.36 | jelly-home | slikts_: are they not all versioned with "dotdeb" somewhere in there? |
| 09:56.58 | cippaciong | jelly-home, what is the funciotn of dpkg user? |
| 09:57.01 | slikts_ | jelly-home: somewhere, but where? |
| 09:57.02 | cippaciong | anyway |
| 09:57.28 | cippaciong | i would say wine-unstable should be ported to testing |
| 09:57.33 | cippaciong | insted of squeeze |
| 09:57.34 | jelly-home | cippaciong: it's a bot with a facts database. did you get the message? |
| 09:57.41 | cippaciong | yes |
| 09:57.55 | jelly-home | you can probably use those as-is on testing. |
| 09:58.02 | cippaciong | ok |
| 09:58.07 | cippaciong | so just add the repo |
| 09:58.15 | cippaciong | and then install wine-unstable |
| 09:58.17 | cippaciong | right? |
| 09:58.17 | jelly-home | cippaciong: there is no repo. |
| 09:58.24 | cippaciong | oh |
| 09:58.31 | cippaciong | so install everything one by one? |
| 09:58.39 | cippaciong | package + deps? |
| 09:58.50 | jelly-home | why one by one? |
| 09:59.05 | cippaciong | wine-unstable + dependencies |
| 09:59.17 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, you can't copy stuff directly... but you can just get the correct .deb packages for the amd64 architecture and unpack them... .deb packages are just "ar" archives and inside there are .tar.gz archives |
| 09:59.33 | jelly-home | cippaciong: you can install multiple .deb binary packages in one command line. |
| 09:59.44 | cippaciong | yes ok |
| 09:59.52 | jelly-home | slikts_: in... their version number. |
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| 10:00.05 | jelly-home | slikts_: dpkg -l |grep dotdeb |
| 10:00.07 | cippaciong | what i meant was that is not the same as having a repo |
| 10:00.11 | slikts_ | jelly-home: thanks |
| 10:00.11 | Enzinho | !lista |
| 10:00.22 | cippaciong | I have to manually update and so on |
| 10:00.51 | jelly-home | cippaciong: update? |
| 10:01.03 | Enzinho | yes |
| 10:01.14 | cippaciong | when new versions are out |
| 10:01.27 | Iridos | you must have meant !list |
| 10:01.46 | jelly-home | cippaciong: correct |
| 10:01.50 | cippaciong | ok |
| 10:01.54 | cippaciong | btw |
| 10:02.00 | cippaciong | is there any chance that wine |
| 10:02.06 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 10:02.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:02.17 | cippaciong | will be put in the testing repo someday |
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| 10:02.29 | cippaciong | ? |
| 10:02.36 | cippaciong | maybe in the future.. |
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| 10:04.04 | jelly-home | cippaciong: http://bugs.debian.org/585409 |
| 10:04.22 | Iridos | well, yes... things usually migrate from sid to testing within a few weeks... but obviously some bug is holding it back? |
| 10:04.35 | Iridos | like e.g. the one jelly pasted |
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| 10:05.26 | cippaciong | ok |
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| 10:05.41 | cippaciong | I think this could be fine for me |
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| 10:05.52 | cippaciong | I have my primary arch installation |
| 10:06.10 | cippaciong | and i can use wine on it until it comes to testing |
| 10:06.31 | cippaciong | It's better form me insted of using wine-unstable |
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| 10:07.27 | HeXiLeD | Iridos it's the first time doing this with debian. since i cannot copy directly how should i proceed ? and can i still use a i386 install to get the files for the x86_64 ? |
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| 10:07.42 | nick1st | I'm not sure how (about "not easily anymore. you need the magic cookie... that used to be in ~/.Xauthority but now since gdm3 is somewhere else <Iridos> nick1st, something like /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-youruser-KJ5gM8/database - the shells on the machine have that file set in $XAUTHORITY... so you can get the value of XAUTHORITY from /proc/<somePID>/environ , then copy the database file to ~/.Xauthority or use xauth to extract/list it |
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| 10:08.16 | nick1st | [it]... then just set DISPLAY=:0"). |
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| 10:08.59 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, squeeze, right? |
| 10:09.29 | HeXiLeD | yes |
| 10:09.43 | HeXiLeD | i can use another box i have here to install 64 bit ..just more .. work ... |
| 10:09.55 | HeXiLeD | resources i have ... time .. it's another matter |
| 10:10.18 | HeXiLeD | the hosting remote box is down for 24h now :S |
| 10:10.32 | dekatch | u only can have time when u take some !!! |
| 10:10.44 | HeXiLeD | i am taking all |
| 10:10.53 | HeXiLeD | and that means 24/7 |
| 10:10.53 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, huh... it's down? so how will you get a shell on it again? |
| 10:11.02 | HeXiLeD | down for services . |
| 10:11.05 | cippaciong | ok |
| 10:11.15 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.15 | Iridos | think it'll boot properly without /usr/bin ? |
| 10:11.25 | cippaciong | I think my question had an answer |
| 10:11.25 | Iridos | the point was not to log out... |
| 10:11.26 | cippaciong | =) |
| 10:11.33 | HeXiLeD | yah. no problems with booting |
| 10:11.33 | cippaciong | jelly-home, thanks |
| 10:11.40 | Iridos | logging in? |
| 10:11.41 | cippaciong | Iridos, thanks |
| 10:11.48 | HeXiLeD | i can use a remote live cd to chroot |
| 10:11.52 | cippaciong | bye! |
| 10:12.31 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, as I said... just download the package, unpack and take the dpkg binary |
| 10:13.06 | HeXiLeD | download from deb mirrors correct ? |
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| 10:14.40 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: mind, you cannot chroot into a 64bit installation with a 32bit kernel running |
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| 10:15.04 | HeXiLeD | yes. no problem with the chroot |
| 10:18.40 | HeXiLeD | on the remote box inside /var/cache/apt/archives i have quite a lot of packages. i assume i can recover from there . correct ? |
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| 10:20.36 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, mkdir packages; cd packages; wget http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.15.8.12_amd64.deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_i386.deb apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gawk/gawk_3.1.7.dfsg-5_amd64.deb ; for i in *; do mkdir $i-dir; (cd $i-dir && ar x ../$i;tar -xvzf data.tar.gz); done |
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| 10:21.53 | HeXiLeD | if i had wget ... |
| 10:21.57 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, actually... there might still some runtime libraries missing |
| 10:22.02 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, on your OTHER system... |
| 10:22.09 | HeXiLeD | ok |
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| 10:23.38 | Iridos | I'm also on i386, though... |
| 10:24.19 | HeXiLeD | i am downloading all the content from remote :/var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:24.25 | Iridos | it gets a bit difficult ... |
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| 10:24.47 | HeXiLeD | i can also install a 64bit if it makes it easier |
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| 10:31.26 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, just run the command I gave you, and copy dpkg, awk and apt-get to the machine... then run the apt-get command from the factoid |
| 10:31.34 | Iridos | should be fine, as /usr/lib wasn't deleted |
| 10:31.41 | HeXiLeD | ok |
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| 10:36.25 | xreal | Which port does iSCSI in Debian run on default? |
| 10:37.18 | HeXiLeD | since this is all new to me .. where should i copy ?/usr/bin Iridos ? and can you rephrase factoid ? |
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| 10:38.44 | Iridos | dpkg, reinstall everything |
| 10:38.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall everything is apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 10:42.12 | xreal | Seems like iSCSI from Debian isn't compatible with Windows 8: ietd: isns_scn_handle 882: unknown function 1 0 1 0 0 |
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| 10:44.40 | diffy | I think it might be a module that isn't loaded or that the UUID is wrong, even though update-grub autotected it ilke this |
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| 10:47.55 | slikts_ | where could I read about manually backporting a package from testing? |
| 10:48.18 | slikts_ | I just want to get php-fpm on squeeze in the most painless way |
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| 10:52.14 | guardian | slikts: wait a bit, php 5.4 is about to enter squeeze-backports |
| 10:52.30 | guardian | http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html |
| 10:52.58 | slikts_ | guardian: will it be today? |
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| 10:53.29 | guardian | slikts_: not sure, http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-changes/2012/03/mail2.html |
| 10:53.59 | guardian | in the meantime, I used dotdeb's package but if you can wait a couple of days, just go php5.4 |
| 10:54.03 | Rix | what graphical interface should i use for asus eeepc 701 with debian 6 (no graphical interface installed) for best compatability |
| 10:54.15 | Rix | sth like lxde maybe |
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| 10:54.39 | slikts_ | guardian: is it possible to use single dotdeb packages, like just the php-fpm package from them? |
| 10:54.46 | ColloquyUser | I like gnome |
| 10:55.11 | guardian | nope |
| 10:55.38 | guardian | well i didn't go that route, i just took everything related to php from dotdeb, but that was 2 months ago |
| 10:55.39 | slikts_ | I don´t understand anything, and the http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ page is light ondetails |
| 10:56.15 | slikts_ | it would be kind of nice if there was something to rtfm... |
| 10:56.29 | guardian | that's instructions on how to install a package from the backports repo, not how to backport yourself |
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| 10:56.42 | guardian | in fact there is a bot command on that channel that makes dpkg tell you about how to backport a package yourself |
| 10:56.46 | FernandoBasso | ip addr del 192.168.1.201/24 dev eth1 returns a 'RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address'. Any ideas? |
| 10:56.47 | guardian | but i can't remember it |
| 10:56.58 | slikts_ | I think it was /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:57.12 | slikts_ | yes |
| 10:57.23 | guardian | i didn't backport myself because it was too much hassle, mainly because of libc6 dev issues, my box runs a 2.6 xen kernel |
| 10:58.02 | slikts_ | I´ll try to backport |
| 10:58.08 | guardian | anyways, about php 5.4 in squeeze backports it should happen soon |
| 10:58.26 | slikts_ | guardian: took only a month since it´s released :/ |
| 10:58.29 | guardian | but i don't really know how soon, as I learnt about the new queue etc just few days ago :) |
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| 10:58.42 | slikts_ | why the hell does Pidgin insert a tilde instead of an apostrophe |
| 10:58.54 | guardian | the mails say submitted on march 28: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-changes/2012/03/msg00803.html |
| 10:59.10 | guardian | don't know exactly the process and how long it takes from that point |
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| 11:02.41 | HeXiLeD | Iridos assuming i did things right http://dpaste.com/724732/ ... |
| 11:03.07 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724734/ |
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| 11:03.54 | Iridos | huh... why aren't they a+x? |
| 11:04.05 | HeXiLeD | i only cp the contents of /usr/bin from the generated packages |
| 11:04.06 | Iridos | chmod a+x /usr/bin/* |
| 11:04.12 | Iridos | oh, you copied, right |
| 11:04.29 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, chmod a+x /usr/bin/* |
| 11:04.37 | HeXiLeD | done |
| 11:04.39 | Iridos | and use "gawk" in the command instead of "awk" |
| 11:04.59 | HeXiLeD | # apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|gawk '{print $2}'` |
| 11:04.59 | HeXiLeD | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:05.17 | HeXiLeD | need to upload that too right |
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| 11:06.02 | Iridos | but... you said you only deleted /usr/bin |
| 11:06.23 | HeXiLeD | yes |
| 11:06.35 | HeXiLeD | i have content in /lib |
| 11:06.36 | Iridos | but that's /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10 |
| 11:06.54 | HeXiLeD | yes. i have no idea. i am uploading |
| 11:07.05 | Iridos | so did you delete /usr/lib as well? |
| 11:07.10 | Iridos | i.e. all of /usr? |
| 11:07.11 | HeXiLeD | no |
| 11:07.29 | Iridos | so why are you then missing /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10 |
| 11:07.32 | HeXiLeD | bin games include lib lib32 lib64 local sbin share src<-- /usr |
| 11:07.34 | guardian | can someone explain me how the backports NEW queue work? http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html so php5.4.0-3~bpo60+1 is in the new queue since 2 days then what? how long does it take before next step? |
| 11:07.37 | HeXiLeD | i have no idea |
| 11:07.57 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.16 | Iridos | not /lib... /usr/lib |
| 11:08.20 | HeXiLeD | i was having some upgrade errors before the "mistake" |
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| 11:08.37 | HeXiLeD | yes usr/lib is full |
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| 11:09.42 | Iridos | and what do you see with ls /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so* |
| 11:10.00 | HeXiLeD | # ls /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so* |
| 11:10.00 | HeXiLeD | /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10 /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10.1 |
| 11:10.09 | HeXiLeD | but i just uploaded |
| 11:10.28 | HeXiLeD | the error stil persists |
| 11:10.45 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724737/ |
| 11:11.16 | Iridos | I wonder if /usr/bin/ld is somehow needed for loading a runtime library |
| 11:11.22 | Iridos | but that would be kinda scandalous |
| 11:11.31 | Iridos | err |
| 11:11.42 | Iridos | you did get the correct architecture everywhere? |
| 11:12.10 | HeXiLeD | can you rephrase ? |
| 11:12.14 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, argh, my fault... |
| 11:12.33 | Iridos | I am on i386, so I had to edit the URLs I gave you... but I did not do it in one of them |
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| 11:12.45 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.55 | HeXiLeD | n problem. |
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| 11:15.07 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724739/ correct ? |
| 11:15.35 | Rydekull | looks good |
| 11:15.54 | Iridos | yeah... or just do it for the apt one |
| 11:16.07 | Rydekull | oh |
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| 11:16.32 | Iridos | I just got a bit lazy searching the URLs, so I used things like apt-get -d --print-uris --reinstall install gawk to get them |
| 11:16.39 | slikts_ | so it turns out I can't use Pidgin or Geany on Windows due to a years old GTK+ bug… |
| 11:16.46 | Iridos | but of course then have to change the "i386" to "amd64" in each |
| 11:17.39 | Rydekull | slikts_: cant use pidgin on windows? |
| 11:18.08 | slikts_ | Rydekull: gtk+ doesn´t work with my keyboard layout |
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| 11:18.24 | slikts_ | well, I´m using Pidgin now, but the keyboard layout is messed up |
| 11:18.38 | slikts_ | Geany is truly unusuable, since you can´t get single quotes |
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| 11:18.49 | slikts_ | thanks Gnome devs! |
| 11:19.17 | Rydekull | whats your keyboard layout and what makes it messed up? |
| 11:19.45 | slikts_ | Rydekull: it´s a variation of US international |
| 11:19.58 | slikts_ | Rydekull: the dead key produces incorrect characters |
| 11:20.16 | jelly-home | here's an apostophe for you, slikts_: ' |
| 11:20.23 | Rydekull | haha |
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| 11:20.33 | slikts_ | jelly-home: yes, I´ll copypaste that now |
| 11:20.41 | Rydekull | ´ ` ' " |
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| 11:20.57 | slikts_ | it´s all better now |
| 11:21.21 | jelly-home | you're still using the ´ accent instead of it I see |
| 11:21.39 | slikts_ | sorry, it´s 10+ years of muscle memory |
| 11:21.49 | slikts_ | or motor memory or whatever |
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| 11:22.25 | HeXiLeD | Iridos same issue libapt-pkg.so.4.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 11:22.35 | HeXiLeD | and it's there /usr/lib |
| 11:22.50 | Rydekull | do you have the full output? |
| 11:23.37 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724743/ |
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| 11:27.01 | Rydekull | what does apt-get install -f give you? |
| 11:27.19 | joey64 | sudo ldconfig |
| 11:27.23 | HeXiLeD | any apt-get gives me : apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 11:27.51 | Rydekull | yeah, what try joey64's ldconfig |
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| 11:28.17 | HeXiLeD | ok apt works |
| 11:29.00 | HeXiLeD | but now i get http://dpaste.com/724746/ lots of it |
| 11:29.16 | HeXiLeD | as well as Package tcl8.5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:29.16 | HeXiLeD | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 11:29.16 | HeXiLeD | is only available from another source |
| 11:29.30 | HeXiLeD | when running re-install |
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| 11:30.48 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.01 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724747/ |
| 11:31.05 | joey64 | sudo aptitude update ， then install again |
| 11:31.17 | HeXiLeD | on it |
| 11:31.32 | Rydekull | Uh, your main issue is to reinstall current packages |
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| 11:32.21 | HeXiLeD | yes. anything that leads me to it |
| 11:32.25 | jelly-home | joey64: what's with all the "sudo" |
| 11:32.28 | ompaul | looks on and things I would have said apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and see where that leaves you |
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| 11:32.38 | ompaul | but then I have no backstory |
| 11:32.44 | ompaul | goes away again |
| 11:33.34 | HeXiLeD | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 11:33.35 | HeXiLeD | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libc6'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 11:34.08 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: pastebin the whole output please |
| 11:34.32 | Rydekull | I beleive you are gooing to hit a whole lot of scripts pre-instaalls that fails, but yeah |
| 11:34.58 | joey64 | If you're in root,don't need input Audi |
| 11:35.08 | joey64 | Audi |
| 11:35.22 | joey64 | sudo |
| 11:35.35 | Rydekull | heh, funny |
| 11:35.37 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: did you also wipe anything in /var? |
| 11:35.53 | jelly-home | The following NEW packages will be installed: base-files # weird. |
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| 11:36.18 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: or forgot to mount /var ? |
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| 11:36.56 | HeXiLeD | this http://dpaste.com/724750/ leads to http://dpaste.com/724751/ . /var is working |
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| 11:37.36 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724757/ <-- var |
| 11:37.53 | joar | in wheezy testing, SSL has been broken |
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| 11:38.21 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/status* /var/backups/*status* please |
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| 11:38.26 | Janni | Hello. |
| 11:38.39 | s70rm | hi |
| 11:38.46 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724758/ @ jehan |
| 11:38.50 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home |
| 11:38.51 | HeXiLeD | :) |
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| 11:39.22 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: please don't do any further installations until you figure out why apt thinks base-files and other essential packages are not installed. |
| 11:39.32 | lsmith | anyone have an RTFM link for me to understand how to setup "Default-Start" in an init.d script? |
| 11:39.46 | HeXiLeD | i have no idea |
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| 11:40.23 | Rydekull | lsmith: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 11:40.25 | Janni | I have a problem: I'd like to use the mechanism of KDE or Gnome for mounting storage devices as a user without actually using the desktop environment. I'm having trouble finding documentation on the archictecure these desktop environments use. Anyone got a hint? |
| 11:40.30 | lsmith | thx .. just found that too .. |
| 11:40.44 | lsmith | now i just need to remember how run levels work .. reading .. |
| 11:40.51 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: what about "dpkg -l base-files base-passwd bash bsdutils coreutils cpio cron dash dpkg libc6" and "dpkg --print-architecture" ? |
| 11:41.12 | lsmith | i guess i can probably just copy this from another similar init.d script i have |
| 11:41.51 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724759/ should i risk it ? |
| 11:41.54 | Rydekull | lsmith: well... or you read that page and use the information there? |
| 11:42.01 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: you should listen to jelly-home |
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| 11:42.25 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home http://dpaste.com/724760/ |
| 11:42.39 | HeXiLeD | yes Rydekull :) |
| 11:42.40 | Rydekull | ... |
| 11:42.42 | lsmith | Rydekull: sure .. though it doesnt explain run levels .. how just how to configure the run levels for the script |
| 11:42.50 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: he told you to insert two seperate commands |
| 11:43.01 | HeXiLeD | /usr/bin# dpkg --print-architecture |
| 11:43.02 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: dont just copy the whole line and paste it, read it, follow it |
| 11:43.02 | HeXiLeD | amd64 |
| 11:43.30 | HeXiLeD | was too quick and noticed my mistake |
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| 11:44.00 | Rydekull | lsmith: http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryBootProcess%5Cb%29 |
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| 11:45.05 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: it's still weird that apt-get -f install thinks those are "NEW packages" to be installed |
| 11:45.08 | lsmith | ok thx .. |
| 11:45.24 | Rydekull | lsmith: anything else you want me to search up for you on the wiki? |
| 11:45.29 | Rydekull | lsmith: :-) |
| 11:45.32 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home i agree. should i go for it ? |
| 11:45.39 | lsmith | Rydekull: nah .. i am good for now :) |
| 11:45.57 | lsmith | actually .. could you send an email to my sysadmin to check if its ok if i install this init.d script? ;) |
| 11:46.11 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: you could install debian-archive-keyring manually with dpkg, first, to get rid of the authentication warning. |
| 11:46.13 | Rydekull | sure, let me review the script for you and give me his email |
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| 11:47.21 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: can you also pastebin the output of say "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg base-files apt" |
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| 11:48.11 | boudiccas | is this the place to give feedback re wheezy or should i go to #debian-next on OFTC ? |
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| 11:48.19 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home http://dpaste.com/724763/ |
| 11:48.20 | HeXiLeD | ummm |
| 11:48.27 | jelly-home | boudiccas: -next |
| 11:48.27 | Rydekull | jelly-home: Hrm, it feels like dpkg itself has some problem |
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| 11:48.48 | boudiccas | jelly-home, k, thanks |
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| 11:49.06 | jelly-home | boudiccas: erm. IRC channels are not the proper way to give feedback to Debian -- use bug reports for that. |
| 11:49.19 | joar | how do you submit bugs to bugs.debian.org? |
| 11:49.23 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: why are they i386 packages? |
| 11:49.28 | joar | ah, found it |
| 11:49.43 | HeXiLeD | i have no idea Rydekull . i am surprised to find that |
| 11:49.53 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: have you accidentally installed 32bit apt? |
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| 11:50.20 | Rydekull | he has indeed |
| 11:50.35 | Rydekull | 13:12 < Iridos> I am on i386, so I had to edit the URLs I gave you... but I did not do it in one of them |
| 11:50.38 | Rydekull | 13:12 < Iridos> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_i386.deb must of course be http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb |
| 11:50.38 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: dpkg -s dpkg libc6 apt base-files |
| 11:50.48 | HeXiLeD | i followed this :http://dpaste.com/724765/ |
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| 11:51.27 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: yes, but before that, you did install the i386-version, right? |
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| 11:51.50 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724766/ from dpkg -s dpkg libc6 apt base-files |
| 11:51.54 | jelly-home | or a 64bit dpkg |
| 11:52.11 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull as far i know i did not. i have no clue why it is like this since i installed the OS |
| 11:52.52 | HeXiLeD | it's box has been up for 2years ,. 2 days ago i updated from lenny to squeeze and the problems started |
| 11:53.00 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: ok, it looks as if this system is supposed to be amd64. Does "file /usr/bin/apt" say it's a 32bit or a 64bit binary? |
| 11:53.33 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: make that apt-get |
| 11:53.43 | HeXiLeD | i dotn have the command file |
| 11:53.54 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: what about ldd /usr/bin/apt-get, then? |
| 11:54.10 | HeXiLeD | no ldd |
| 11:54.27 | jelly-home | oh well. |
| 11:54.40 | HeXiLeD | in the middle of all these problems i deleted usr/bin by mistake |
| 11:54.56 | Rydekull | hehe, something you hopefully never will do again |
| 11:55.00 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: download and unpack the CORRECT, amd64 apt package, not the i386 one. |
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| 11:56.11 | HeXiLeD | yes i did correct jelly-home : http://dpaste.com/724767/ |
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| 11:56.47 | HeXiLeD | then i cp the content of urs/bin for the 3 packages to the remote box |
| 11:57.05 | jelly-home | and yet apt somehow thinks it's on an i386 system |
| 11:57.29 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 11:58.02 | HeXiLeD | Distribution : Debian 6.0.4 |
| 11:58.02 | HeXiLeD | Kernel : 2.6.32.2-xxxx-std-ipv4-64 |
| 11:58.02 | HeXiLeD | [ latest version 2.6.38.2 ] |
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| 11:58.31 | HeXiLeD | 2.6.32.2-xxxx-std-ipv4-64 #4 SMP Sat Sep 18 12:07:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:58.49 | HeXiLeD | i cannot explain why apt things it's i386 |
| 11:58.54 | HeXiLeD | *thinks |
| 12:00.39 | lsmith | Rydekull: all kidding aside .. if you feel like it i would appreciate it if you could have a quick look at http://pastebin.com/mKGshJ7B .. that being said .. i tested the script and it seemed to do what i expect it should, so its probably ok |
| 12:00.39 | jelly-home | that's not a debian kernel at all, but nevermind that |
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| 12:01.38 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: I presume you've booted a livecd? Can you do a "file /path/to/mountpoint/usr/bin/apt" ? |
| 12:01.52 | jelly-home | outside the chroot? |
| 12:02.04 | lsmith | hmm no .. there is an issue if the server is killed but the pid file is still there. |
| 12:02.05 | lsmith | fixing .. |
| 12:02.08 | HeXiLeD | no . i am on the install . by i can boot from live cd and then chroot |
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| 12:02.36 | jelly-home | yeah, try that |
| 12:02.46 | HeXiLeD | ok .. 3 minutes |
| 12:02.58 | jelly-home | or download file .deb and install with dpkg |
| 12:03.17 | HeXiLeD | easier . i was doing that for the keyring too |
| 12:03.27 | Rydekull | lsmith: well, Sure, I'd code things little differently, but it looks pretty neat. only thing I'd make sure off is having a known PATH |
| 12:03.49 | lsmith | a known PATH? |
| 12:04.37 | Rydekull | PATH |
| 12:04.40 | Rydekull | echo $PATH |
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| 12:04.53 | Rydekull | with whatever commands you are using in the script |
| 12:05.04 | lsmith | ah k |
| 12:05.09 | idimmu | id also remove the /bin/sh |
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| 12:05.41 | idimmu | cos some platforms have this pesky habit of symlinking it to totally arbitrary shells |
| 12:05.50 | jelly-home | idimmu: and replace it with what exactly? |
| 12:05.56 | idimmu | and some scriptos have this pesky habit of assuming sh == bash |
| 12:06.11 | idimmu | which gets quite upsetting when you realise you're running it on a platform that has sh symlinked to dash |
| 12:06.18 | idimmu | well if its bash, sym link it to bash |
| 12:06.22 | Rydekull | lsmith: you sure you dont have something to add to required-start/stop? |
| 12:06.22 | idimmu | er |
| 12:06.25 | idimmu | shbang it to bash |
| 12:06.26 | idimmu | sorry |
| 12:06.27 | jelly-home | idimmu: it's not bash. |
| 12:06.33 | Rydekull | its sh |
| 12:06.42 | Rydekull | :-P |
| 12:06.49 | idimmu | ok |
| 12:06.50 | jelly-home | that simple script uses no bash functionality, it's all POSIX sh |
| 12:06.56 | idimmu | cool then |
| 12:07.09 | lsmith | Rydekull: required? think i need to read up on that |
| 12:08.03 | Rydekull | 6 hours and 20 minutes to go until I have to turn on every electrical device I own and make sure that I use them to their full extents |
| 12:08.25 | lsmith | still debugging the issue of why it isnt removing the pid file if the server isnt running .. there was an incorrect ! .. but it seems APPCHK isnt doing what i would expect it to do .. ah i think i know why |
| 12:08.38 | Janni | c |
| 12:08.42 | Trewas | Rydekull: the earth hour? :) |
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| 12:09.21 | Rydekull | Trewas: yes |
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| 12:09.49 | mah454 | where can i download v4l-dvb ? |
| 12:09.59 | mah454 | I use debian testing |
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| 12:11.14 | jelly-home | mah454: is there something wrong with the modules that come with the kernel you already have? |
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| 12:12.56 | lsmith | thx all .. |
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| 12:13.15 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home i re-did the whole thing and now it is fixed http://dpaste.com/724775/ for apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg base-files apt |
| 12:13.40 | HeXiLeD | i may have committed some mistake somewhere |
| 12:14.25 | Rydekull | That looks better :-) |
| 12:14.27 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: alright, now wipe all those i386 packages from the cache, apt-get clean, and reinstall everything from dpkg -S /usr/bin |
| 12:15.16 | HeXiLeD | all the files i get form dpkg -S /usr/bin output , correct ? |
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| 12:15.31 | jelly-home | not the files, the packages. |
| 12:15.39 | HeXiLeD | yes . sorry my mistake |
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| 12:16.40 | jelly-home | dpkg -S /usr/bin | tr -d ',' | sed 's#: /usr/bin$##' |
| 12:16.41 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin | tr -d ',' | sed 's#: /usr/bin$##' package |
| 12:16.46 | jelly-home | dpkg: be quiet |
| 12:16.46 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 12:16.47 | Rydekull | heh |
| 12:16.49 | Rix | how do i make the script that makes my laptop sleep on closing the lid to be disabled |
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| 12:16.58 | jelly-home | dpkg: no you |
| 12:16.58 | dpkg | jelly-home: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 12:17.17 | servant12 | hello all, my command "find "$PWD" -type f|sort -n" still sorts the files being with '10' before files beginning with '1 |
| 12:17.39 | Rydekull | Rix: "the script"? |
| 12:17.51 | Rix | there has to be some sh |
| 12:18.01 | Rix | acpi |
| 12:18.58 | Rydekull | Rix: how about providing some information about what you are running on your laptop? |
| 12:19.11 | Rix | debian 6 |
| 12:19.36 | Rix | ok i went to /etc/acpi/actions and edited lid.sh (put exit 0 in the beginning) and it works |
| 12:19.39 | Rix | :) |
| 12:19.45 | Rix | i hope it's not wrong |
| 12:19.46 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724781/ @ jelly-home |
| 12:20.04 | HeXiLeD | oh wait |
| 12:20.38 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: 14:16 < jelly-home> dpkg -S /usr/bin | tr -d ',' | sed 's#: /usr/bin$##' |
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| 12:20.50 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: you are not using the reinstallation command line. |
| 12:21.33 | Rydekull | Rix: whatever floats your boat, but, I'd rather figure out what you are actually running, like, if its gnome that does it or whatever. But you found a solution, if you're happy with it, go with it |
| 12:21.47 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724785/ @ jelly-home |
| 12:21.59 | Rydekull | heh |
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| 12:22.32 | Rix | Rydekull thanks :} |
| 12:22.33 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: install coreutils and sed via download and dpkg, then |
| 12:23.09 | jelly-home | packaging scripts will still fail, but not as much |
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| 12:23.55 | jelly-home | it might be a good idea to first reinstall Essential packages |
| 12:24.12 | joar | I'm having this issue, but in Debian https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/861137/comments/9 |
| 12:24.24 | joar | should I submit a bug for it to debian too? |
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| 12:25.03 | jelly-home | joar: yes. You can link to the ubuntu report in it. |
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| 12:26.21 | HeXiLeD | on coreutils and sed. 1 sec |
| 12:26.32 | HeXiLeD | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/coreutils |
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| 12:28.53 | HeXiLeD | ok i have these 4 to install http://dpaste.com/724788/ . i assume they are what was mentioned |
| 12:29.10 | Rydekull | apt-get --reinstall -d install coreutils sed tr |
| 12:29.18 | Rydekull | oh, no tr |
| 12:29.27 | HeXiLeD | yah :S |
| 12:30.16 | jelly-home | Rydekull: tr is part of coreutils. |
| 12:30.20 | Rydekull | yeah |
| 12:30.23 | Rydekull | that's what I meant :-) |
| 12:30.27 | Rydekull | I just copied it wrong |
| 12:30.35 | Rydekull | hence my "Oh, no tr" |
| 12:30.36 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: why are you installing libc6-udeb ? |
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| 12:30.54 | HeXiLeD | a bit ago seemed to be needed |
| 12:31.09 | HeXiLeD | i will start by coreutils and sed first |
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| 12:31.49 | guardian | i'm setting up hourly dumps of mysql databases, is it a wise choice to put those dumps into /var/backups/mysql ??? FHS doesn't say much about /var/backups in fact apart from "it's reserved" but Debian uses it |
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| 12:31.59 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:33.11 | MRCracker | hi, i cant hear sound from my spkeaker |
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| 12:33.40 | ompaul | guardian: pick your own place and suck them from there, as long as the sending machine and receiving machines know what they are doing who cares |
| 12:34.16 | guardian | allright :) |
| 12:34.19 | jeffrin | MRCracker: details please .... |
| 12:34.25 | guardian | well i just want to do it well(tm) |
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| 12:35.22 | jeffrin | MRCracker: which player are you using ? |
| 12:35.32 | ompaul | guardian: I have my source files I back up on a regular basis, I just make sure I can restore them later if needs be that is all that counts |
| 12:35.44 | MRCracker | jeffrin: all players |
| 12:35.53 | MRCracker | also with aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 12:36.06 | jelly-home | !tell MRCracker about alsa checklist |
| 12:36.15 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull if i try to force apt-get install -f --reinstall coreutils http://dpaste.com/724794/ |
| 12:36.15 | jeffrin | MRCracker: does the play give any error message ? |
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| 12:36.40 | MRCracker | jeffrin: no, Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 12:36.56 | HeXiLeD | dpkg-preconfigure is on the system |
| 12:37.06 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: im just curious, who told you to do that? :-) |
| 12:37.12 | jeffrin | MRCracker: your sound may be mute related |
| 12:37.21 | HeXiLeD | came to my mind ... Rydekull |
| 12:37.41 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: you were told to download the packages, and install them with dpkg |
| 12:37.48 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: ask the bot which package "find" belongs to, /msg judd file bin/find |
| 12:37.49 | jeffrin | MRCracker: do you have alsamixer installed |
| 12:37.50 | HeXiLeD | yes and i on it .. |
| 12:38.01 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: then download and install it with dpkg |
| 12:38.05 | HeXiLeD | but having trouble :( |
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| 12:38.42 | MRCracker | 1- already added 2- done 3- pulse... started. output: E: [pulseaudio] main.c: D-Bus name org.PulseAudio1 already taken. 4- yes 5- no sound 6- trying |
| 12:39.11 | jelly-home | MRCracker: well then, stop pulseaudio first |
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| 12:39.18 | MRCracker | this is started from some hours ago. may be after updates |
| 12:39.55 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: apt-get --reinstall -d install coreutils sed ; cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:39.59 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: and install them |
| 12:40.14 | jelly-home | MRCracker: or if you want to keep using it, use pavucontrol to configure it and tell it which apps should send sound to which audio outputs |
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| 12:40.38 | MRCracker | jeffrin: http://paste.debian.net/161535/ |
| 12:40.49 | MRCracker | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/161535/ |
| 12:40.52 | jelly-home | MRCracker: which debian release are you using? |
| 12:41.06 | MRCracker | testing |
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| 12:43.33 | MRCracker | jeffrin: yes, installed. |
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| 12:44.03 | jelly-home | MRCracker: pulseaudio is started as your user. To stop it and make sure it doesn't start automatically again, "echo autospawn = no >> ~/.pulse/client.conf" and then "pactl exit" |
| 12:44.20 | jeffrin | MRCracker: try to start alsamixer |
| 12:44.35 | HeXiLeD | the problem is not getting the files . http://www.cyberciti.biz/ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html dpkg -i package.deb --> http://dpaste.com/724796/ <-- i need find. and it is not in /usr/bin . since it seems i need find to use dpkg how do i install it to be able to use it ? |
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| 12:45.01 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: again, install findutils first. |
| 12:45.30 | HeXiLeD | on it |
| 12:45.53 | MRCracker | jelly-home: pactl exit |
| 12:45.53 | MRCracker | Connection failure: Connection refused |
| 12:45.53 | MRCracker | pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused |
| 12:45.57 | MRCracker | ahh... |
| 12:46.25 | MRCracker | jeffrin: tried, nothing muted |
| 12:46.44 | jelly-home | MRCracker: that looks as if it had been already stopped. No processes listed in ps -fe |grep pulseaudio ? |
| 12:47.39 | MRCracker | jelly-home: no, i have two instance |
| 12:47.51 | jelly-home | kill them, then |
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| 12:48.34 | MRCracker | jelly-home: done |
| 12:48.55 | MRCracker | jelly-home: pactl exit give same error |
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| 12:50.53 | jeffrin | MRCracker: alsamixer GUI or cmd line ? |
| 12:50.53 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724804/ @ jelly-home i am stuck :( |
| 12:51.14 | MRCracker | jeffrin: under terminal |
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| 12:51.20 | guardian | jelly-home: hi, any opinion on jailkit? (following up our discussion about rbash and openvz yesterday) |
| 12:51.55 | jeffrin | MRCracker: does it show Card: PulseAudio |
| 12:52.38 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: Do the same with findutils like you did with apt and dpkg? :-) |
| 12:52.41 | MRCracker | jeffrin: when i press f6 there is no pulseaudio |
| 12:52.51 | HeXiLeD | thinking about it |
| 12:52.56 | HeXiLeD | i was looking at the code |
| 12:53.06 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: dpkg --extract findutils_4.4.2-1+b1_amd64.deb / |
| 12:53.14 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: and then install it with dpkg. |
| 12:53.39 | Rydekull | hrm, clever |
| 12:53.44 | jelly-home | guardian: no experience with it |
| 12:53.50 | guardian | ok |
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| 12:55.18 | jeffrin | MRCracker: select your sound card related using F6 |
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| 12:55.59 | MRCracker | jeffrin: selected, nothing changed :( |
| 12:56.58 | HeXiLeD | with a dew errors but seem to be installed http://dpaste.com/724810/ |
| 12:57.10 | slikts_ | how do I fixed KCI error |
| 12:57.35 | jeffrin | MRCracker: have turned on your speaker volume |
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| 12:58.01 | MRCracker | jeffrin: solved |
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| 12:58.06 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: can you please always make sure you copy until your next # |
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| 12:59.05 | jeffrin | MRCracker: do you hear sound now |
| 12:59.36 | MRCracker | sound was mouted, sound bar was on 100 but at bottom it MM instead off 00, pressed m and now i can hear sound now |
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| 13:00.00 | Iridos | he hears a cracking |
| 13:00.29 | MRCracker | sorry for bad english, thank all |
| 13:00.41 | jeffrin | MRCracker: happy sound to you :) |
| 13:00.48 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: Well, that's good news atleast, Try and get install-info and perl installed |
| 13:01.00 | MRCracker | jeffrin: ;-) |
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| 13:02.07 | slikts_ | I demand to speak to a manager |
| 13:02.34 | Rydekull | slikts_: manager of what? |
| 13:02.38 | Rydekull | slikts_: gardens? |
| 13:02.42 | slikts_ | of #debian |
| 13:02.51 | Rydekull | slikts_: why? |
| 13:03.00 | slikts_ | I want to file a complaint |
| 13:03.06 | Rydekull | slikts_: about? |
| 13:03.12 | slikts_ | about the KCI error I´m having |
| 13:03.18 | slikts_ | jk |
| 13:03.26 | slikts_ | sorry |
| 13:03.27 | Rydekull | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 13:03.28 | Rydekull | :-) |
| 13:03.31 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724814/ @ Rydekull it's the best i seem to be able |
| 13:03.49 | HeXiLeD | dpkg-preconfigure in available |
| 13:04.00 | HeXiLeD | but needs perl .. |
| 13:04.08 | slikts_ | yet another day ruined by gnome devs |
| 13:04.10 | HeXiLeD | ok get it manually ? |
| 13:04.22 | Rydekull | Stop using apt-get to install already |
| 13:04.29 | Rydekull | We've told you to use dpkg? |
| 13:05.23 | HeXiLeD | i though... my mistake .. going to be with dpkg only now |
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| 13:05.44 | Rydekull | One package at a time, makes us happy campers |
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| 13:06.59 | HeXiLeD | eheh.. i see now. the list is long :) |
| 13:07.33 | Iridos | aah |
| 13:07.56 | Rydekull | Iridos: tag |
| 13:08.01 | Rydekull | goes on a bathroom break |
| 13:09.03 | joar | is there any moderation queues for bugs in buds.debian.org |
| 13:09.07 | Iridos | tags Rydekull back before he can leave and runs away quickly |
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| 13:09.16 | yang | [A |
| 13:09.43 | Iridos | joar, no... you send email, it appears within a day or two |
| 13:09.54 | slikts_ | http://dpaste.com/724816/ why can´t I install build-essentials |
| 13:10.12 | slikts_ | dpkg bot tells me to install that to backport a package |
| 13:10.13 | dpkg | slikts_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 13:13.32 | tremon | ,versions libc6 |
| 13:13.33 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-27; wheezy: 2.13-27 |
| 13:14.04 | tremon | slikts_: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 13:14.53 | slikts_ | tremon: http://dpaste.com/724817/ |
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| 13:16.36 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: how's it going? |
| 13:16.39 | tremon | slikts_: I think you have removed a squeeze-updates line from /etc/apt/sources.list, or you installed libc6 manually. The libc6 version you have currently installed is not in any of your sources (check apt-cache policy libc6) |
| 13:17.13 | HeXiLeD | unpacking and installing Rydekull . looks ok so far |
| 13:17.27 | slikts_ | tremon: this is my sources.list http://dpaste.com/724819/ |
| 13:17.32 | HeXiLeD | one or 2 errors here and there but overall seems to be going |
| 13:17.47 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: unpacking and installing what? :-) |
| 13:18.10 | HeXiLeD | all packages from the output of : dpkg -S /usr/bin | tr -d ',' | sed 's#: /usr/bin$##' |
| 13:18.31 | Rydekull | right, ok |
| 13:18.34 | HeXiLeD | apt-get --reinstall -d install /path ... and then dpkg -i |
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| 13:19.17 | Rydekull | Not really what I suggested, but if you say its going fine, then its going fine :-) |
| 13:19.38 | tremon | slikts_: you're missing deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main, that is where your libc6 comes from |
| 13:19.59 | slikts_ | thanks |
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| 13:20.27 | HeXiLeD | as long as i can get back to a stable install. then i would liek to reinstall as you suggested . since there were more errors on the box |
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| 13:22.18 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724822/ @ Rydekull . all those packages. |
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| 13:24.00 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: yeah, but I suggested that you fixed perl and install-info, so that most errors might go away |
| 13:24.26 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: when you get no errors on a dpkg-install, then you can just use apt-get on the bunch of them |
| 13:24.55 | slikts_ | what is sid? |
| 13:25.00 | HeXiLeD | the errors i get form time to time are like this update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/bin/info because link group infobrowser is broken. |
| 13:25.05 | Rydekull | but, doing what you are doing, dpkg per package, is just fine :-) |
| 13:25.08 | slikts_ | nvm, googled it |
| 13:25.12 | Rydekull | slikts_: unstable = sid |
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| 13:25.57 | tremon | !sid |
| 13:25.58 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 13:26.22 | slikts_ | I want to build the debs for php-fpm from sid, but how do I search for the correct name of the php-fpm package in sid? |
| 13:26.30 | ompaul | slikts_: are you aware that everyone here is a volunteer |
| 13:26.56 | slikts_ | ompaul: no, what kind of a business is this |
| 13:27.09 | ompaul | this is not a business |
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| 13:27.30 | ompaul | !debian |
| 13:27.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 13:27.39 | slikts_ | ompaul: that´s unpossible! |
| 13:27.46 | ompaul | slikts_: happy saturday |
| 13:27.55 | slikts_ | thanks, you too |
| 13:29.42 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull once this is done.. i still have my main problem. the problem that caused all this. when upgrading from lenny to squeeze i lost mysql and udev ability to mount /dev/sda2 which causd the box not to be responsive. this lead me to mount the HDs from live rescue cd and see what was going on. among the problems i also had a fail kernel update as grub, grub legacy and grub2 were all there and to make |
| 13:29.42 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.08 | slikts_ | how to check if squeeze satisfies the dependencies of a sid package? I remember somebody doing it with a bot command here yesterday |
| 13:30.16 | ompaul | it can't |
| 13:30.20 | ompaul | squeeze is stable |
| 13:30.39 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: One error at a time :-) |
| 13:30.45 | HeXiLeD | ok. all packages are done with dpkg -i . 7 not fully installed or removed. |
| 13:30.50 | HeXiLeD | of course. |
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| 13:31.16 | slikts_ | ompaul: yesterday somebody told me I can use php5-fpm from sid in squeeze if I build it myself and they used some bot command to verify that its dependencies are satisfied in squeeze |
| 13:31.21 | HeXiLeD | so lets see now ... ummm... scrolls up |
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| 13:32.06 | lcc | can I print and sell debian cd's? |
| 13:32.41 | slikts_ | gpl doesn´t prohibit commercial distribution |
| 13:32.44 | Arafangion | lcc: No, but you can get your own cd's, burn the debian ISO's onto them, put on a label, then sell them. :) |
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| 13:33.20 | HeXiLeD | well dist-upgrade is doing it's thing for the 7 packages. more success than errors ... |
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| 13:34.32 | tremon | lcc: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info |
| 13:34.59 | ompaul | slikts_: then go back to your logs - it is not usually that you will see something from SID going to compile freely (not saying it won't happen but SID is a moving target and you end up not being able to reproduce the results and then having a not changing part of php and all of a sudden you wonder why your computer is hacked and so it is you not debian with the issue :) |
| 13:35.07 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: could we get to see the whole output from that? |
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| 13:35.33 | HeXiLeD | 1 failed package now. 6 done |
| 13:35.38 | slikts_ | ompaul: yes, I thought of going back to the logs, but they are on a different machine that I can´t access from home |
| 13:36.44 | slikts_ | ompaul: also, my alternative to using a sid package is to use dotdebs, what do you recommend? |
| 13:36.49 | HeXiLeD | 1 sec |
| 13:36.50 | ompaul | slikts_: well wasnt here yesterday to read mine - check the web for someone logging here publicly |
| 13:36.58 | slikts_ | ompaul: hmm, okay |
| 13:37.00 | ompaul | !dotdeb |
| 13:37.00 | dpkg | dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. To remove: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" |
| 13:37.29 | slikts_ | ompaul: I know those things, and the package I want is not in backports |
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| 13:38.04 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724828/ @ Rydekull |
| 13:38.18 | slikts_ | I was led to believe backporting from sid manually is the better option |
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| 13:39.01 | HeXiLeD | right now the only thing that occurs to me is : apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 13:39.02 | slikts_ | actually, I was led to believe choosing ubuntu-server would have been the better option, but that train has left already |
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| 13:40.35 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: apt-get --reinstall install man-db |
| 13:41.37 | HeXiLeD | right now the only thing that occurs to me is : apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 13:41.40 | HeXiLeD | ups |
| 13:41.42 | HeXiLeD | sorry |
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| 13:41.44 | HeXiLeD | same here |
| 13:41.48 | HeXiLeD | same error |
| 13:42.25 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724830/ |
| 13:42.33 | slikts_ | debian turned me into a newt :( |
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| 13:43.47 | tremon | HeXiLeD: what's wrong with aptitude reinstall ~i? |
| 13:44.33 | HeXiLeD | well.. i dont use aptitude. only apt-get . i mean .. i never used it ... has advantages ? |
| 13:44.57 | Rydekull | tremon: we've just gotten his /usr/bin back, nothing wrong with it as such, but just trying to fix the small errors so we can find any real ones easiers before he go there again :-) |
| 13:45.14 | tremon | HeXiLeD: well, for one, it accepts search queries as a package list |
| 13:45.20 | alazare619 | hmm |
| 13:45.41 | tremon | Rydekull: I was responding to the dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}' part |
| 13:45.53 | Rydekull | tremon: that's from dpkg I believe :-) |
| 13:45.59 | Rydekull | tremon: so, ask dpkg |
| 13:46.13 | Rydekull | (the bot) |
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| 13:48.24 | marsfligth | [OT] What desktop enviroment is planned to be used on next Debian release? I googled a lot, but I didn't find answers |
| 13:49.18 | tremon | marsfligth: the closest thing to a "default" is gnome3 |
| 13:49.39 | tremon | marsfligth: but there's no such thing as a default debian install |
| 13:50.46 | dvs | tremon: ??? "Desktop Environment" is selected by default, and on the standard install disk that is Gnome. |
| 13:51.10 | marsfligth | tremon: Thanks, it is exactly what I did want read/listen ... I'm very depressed about it |
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| 13:51.58 | marsfligth | dvs: we where spoken about next Debian release |
| 13:52.06 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: Well, I'd go for the apt-get --reinstall line from before now |
| 13:52.23 | benedikt | This article (http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/configuring-static-routes-in-debian-or-red-hat-linux-systems.html) suggests using ̀ route` for adding static routes in the `interfaces' file. is there any reason to not use `ip route`? |
| 13:52.26 | tremon | dvs: the point I was trying to make was that not many of debian's users use tasksel, choose DE and leave it at that |
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| 13:53.04 | ompaul | benedikt: there is none |
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| 13:53.14 | Rydekull | benedikt: well, no, it says you can use both |
| 13:53.28 | ompaul | benedikt: route is an older command |
| 13:53.51 | dvs | tremon: But tasksel is automatically run as part of the installation process and "Desktop Environment" is selected by default. |
| 13:54.00 | HeXiLeD | i just did Rydekull : http://dpaste.com/724832/m then i started to get all the other packages and http://dpaste.com/724835/ |
| 13:54.09 | Rydekull | benedikt: it is giving you an example |
| 13:54.13 | slikts_ | why did "aptitude build-dep php5-fpm" install a lot of packages... |
| 13:54.30 | marsfligth | does exist an off-topic Debian irc channel? |
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| 13:54.50 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: You really must give us the whole output, from the command, to where the command ends, in other words, from # to # |
| 13:54.58 | HeXiLeD | ok |
| 13:55.02 | tremon | marsfligth: #debian-offtopic |
| 13:55.18 | marsfligth | tremon: thanks |
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| 13:55.26 | Rydekull | marsfligth: You could start reading /topic aswell :-) |
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| 13:57.26 | marsfligth | Rydekull: I'll do. At the moment My problem is to decide about next Distro, seen that the new Gnome is not right for the use thaT I doing |
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| 13:58.56 | slikts_ | "aptitude build-deps php5-fpm" completes successfuly, but running "apt-get -b source php5-fpm" results in this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libc-client-dev |
| 13:59.00 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724837/ @ Rydekull |
| 13:59.23 | slikts_ | I´m trying to follow "dpkg ssb" instructions |
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| 14:01.06 | slikts_ | I also can´t find public logs for this channel |
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| 14:02.26 | tremon | HeXiLeD: since it's now all cached, how about find /var/cache/apt/archives -name \*.deb -exec dpkg -i '{} \; ? This will avoid dependency cycle problems like the one you pasted, but will install everything that's still the apt cache |
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| 14:02.51 | slikts_ | this really sucks, I should have just used debports |
| 14:03.18 | slikts_ | I mean dotdeb |
| 14:04.20 | alazare619 | slikts_: this channel isnt logged |
| 14:04.34 | HeXiLeD | tremo is that cmd line all complete ? it gives me > |
| 14:04.48 | tremon | I forgot a ' |
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| 14:05.20 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.38 | tremon | oops. s/should/&n't/ |
| 14:05.43 | HeXiLeD | laughs |
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| 14:05.52 | Bartzy | How do I use/install my laptop webcam in debian squeeze ? |
| 14:06.00 | Bartzy | How do I even see if it's recognized ? :\ |
| 14:06.08 | slikts_ | how do I fix this? Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libc-client-dev. |
| 14:06.09 | HeXiLeD | i did not mean to say it was just about ' |
| 14:06.10 | Bartzy | the wiki has been less helpful in that... |
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| 14:06.46 | tremon | HeXiLeD: obviously I didn't test it, but the command should be complete as-is |
| 14:07.06 | slikts_ | apt-cache policy libc-client-dev returns nothing |
| 14:07.13 | HeXiLeD | yes. it is. i actually typed it wrong. my mistake. it's been many hours around this |
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| 14:07.17 | slikts_ | how do I find where libc-client-dev is supposed to come from? |
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| 14:08.23 | Rydekull | !tell slikts_ about build-dep |
| 14:08.48 | slikts_ | Rydekull: thanks |
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| 14:09.56 | HeXiLeD | some weird progress http://s13.postimage.org/k4xsbhz91/unable.png i did purge these files... or so i tried. |
| 14:09.59 | tremon | slikts_: apt-cache search libc-client-dev gives me libc-client2007e-dev |
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| 14:10.25 | tremon | HeXiLeD: that's for later worry, nothing will break |
| 14:10.37 | slikts_ | tremon: can I maybe just install that libc-client2007e-dev package? |
| 14:10.43 | HeXiLeD | yah. |
| 14:10.47 | slikts_ | I guess I´ll try |
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| 14:11.12 | tremon | silently weeps about virtual build dependencies |
| 14:12.35 | slikts_ | "apt-get -b source php5-fpm" seems to be doing something now |
| 14:12.46 | slikts_ | before it was failing |
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| 14:14.31 | HeXiLeD | i have mdadm installed but i wonder if i really need it. the harddrive has 2 partitons. no raid . to my knowledge this package is only for raid or am i wrong ? |
| 14:14.47 | tremon | HeXiLeD: you're not |
| 14:14.50 | ompaul | slikts_: where are you grabbing the source from? |
| 14:14.53 | Rydekull | apt-cache show mdadm |
| 14:14.59 | slikts_ | ompaul: I don´t know |
| 14:15.11 | slikts_ | ompaul: I´m following the "dpkg ssb" instructions |
| 14:15.48 | tremon | ompaul: there's only one version of php5-fpm in the archives |
| 14:15.55 | ompaul | slikts_: pastebin the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:16.58 | slikts_ | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/161545/ |
| 14:18.37 | ompaul | slikts_: thanks |
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| 14:22.38 | slikts_ | ompaul: do the sources look correct? |
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| 14:23.22 | ompaul | slikts_: for what you want it does seem so |
| 14:24.03 | ompaul | slikts_: remember you now own the fpm security issues going forward so you will be rebuilding regularly |
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| 14:24.48 | tremon | slikts_: minor nit: you don't really need the deb-src line for security (you don't have it for squeeze main either) |
| 14:24.59 | slikts_ | ompaul: I expect I´ll be able to switch to a proper backport when it´s available |
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| 14:25.21 | slikts_ | tremon: hmm, okay |
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| 14:25.54 | Rydekull | HeXiLeD: hows it going? |
| 14:26.37 | slikts_ | anyway, thanks for all the help |
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| 14:29.15 | zelo | what path targets kdmrc file? |
| 14:29.57 | seblabel | hey, i'm using debian and i would like to know what to do if i don't want to use gnome, but just openbox |
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| 14:30.42 | Rydekull | seblabel: stop using gnome and start using openbox |
| 14:30.43 | seblabel | i already installed openbox |
| 14:30.44 | zelo | seblabel install openbox and remove gnome :) |
| 14:31.00 | seblabel | zelo: how can i remove gnome ? |
| 14:31.09 | seblabel | i removed gnome-core |
| 14:31.11 | Rydekull | you dont need to remove it to dont use it |
| 14:31.14 | zelo | seblabel try to change session type in your login manager |
| 14:31.40 | seblabel | but, when i start the computer, i still have a connexion window and a choice with gnome in it |
| 14:31.58 | zelo | it will stay tehre until you dont remove it or change your configuration |
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| 14:32.27 | seblabel | maybe that removing gnome-core is not enough? |
| 14:33.13 | seblabel | it would be also great to not have this connexion window, but just a terminal with login : passwd : |
| 14:33.21 | seblabel | and then, if needed, startx |
| 14:33.23 | thomaschaaf | Is there a way to dynamically add a Wireless NEtwork with wpa_cli? I don't want to edit the config file and then reload it. I'd rather just add the network some how. |
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| 14:36.37 | thomaschaaf | Ah now I understood it.. you first add a network and then you set it :) |
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| 14:39.00 | Rydekull | seblabel: just stop gdm from starting then? |
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| 14:40.39 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull reinstalling after doing what tremo suggested . |
| 14:40.54 | HeXiLeD | then i have a few packages to remove and fix grub |
| 14:41.21 | tremon | apologizes to __tremo |
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| 14:41.54 | __tremo | actually it's not your fault :) |
| 14:42.11 | tremon | :) |
| 14:42.18 | __tremo | so you are welcome... |
| 14:43.04 | HeXiLeD | VERY |
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| 14:43.45 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 14:44.29 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.35 | Bartzy | Anyone here has a Dell Latitude E54x0 (E5400/5410/5420) and got the web cam to work on Debian squeeze ? :\ |
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| 14:46.43 | djskidd | hello again |
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| 14:47.29 | djskidd | dwon, are you still here? |
| 14:47.37 | gele | hello! i've been experimenting with really small and fast distributions like tiny core linux, which are nice because they start really fast and need very little memory for a basic desktop. i use it e.g. for reading ebooks on a netbook. is there any way to get debian to boot up that fast and use that little space with standard packages and configuration tools? |
| 14:47.38 | dwon | I came back |
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| 14:47.45 | djskidd | dwon, awesome! |
| 14:47.57 | djskidd | apparently I may need to get "Wheezy" |
| 14:47.59 | djskidd | ? |
| 14:48.41 | gele | i suppose i'd need a much smaller kernel and possibly a way of putting the whole root fs in a ramfs. |
| 14:49.35 | dwon | djskidd: cool; hopefully that will help |
| 14:50.09 | djskidd | does it have kernel 3.2 |
| 14:50.18 | djskidd | apparently I need that kernel |
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| 14:50.59 | tremon | gele: unless you're working on embedded systems, I wouldn't bother with custom kernels. You will gain disk space, but memory usage and speed are only minimally affected |
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| 14:51.49 | gele | tremon: doesn't the time it takes to load the kernel affect the boot time? |
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| 14:52.36 | gele | boot time is really the main thing for me, i want to be able to just turn the computer on and start reading without having to use suspend-to-ram. |
| 14:52.37 | djskidd | what is jigdo? |
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| 14:52.58 | tremon | gele: are you booting over a serial link? A kernel+initrd is 10MB, hard disk speeds are in excess of 80MB/s. You do the math |
| 14:53.28 | gele | hm, ok. |
| 14:54.01 | gele | i suppose i should look at turning off all services i don't need then. |
| 14:54.05 | dwon | djskidd: Most of the Debian mirrors don't have CD images. jigdo lets you reconstruct CD images using files you download from any Debian mirror. |
| 14:54.12 | dwon | !tell djskidd about jigdo |
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| 14:54.31 | tremon | gele: I have a htpc running on debian wheezy (testing). power-on to screen is 30s, but power-on to grub is 24s. |
| 14:54.55 | tremon | so all time is spent outside of debian |
| 14:55.14 | dwon | tremon: ouch |
| 14:55.19 | djskidd | that looks complicated. I'll stick with uTorrent |
| 14:55.31 | dwon | djskidd: yup, that works too. |
| 14:55.58 | gele | tremon: it takes a lot longer to boot for me than 6 seconds. |
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| 14:56.20 | djskidd | -_- 1 seeder for Wheezy? Really? |
| 14:56.52 | dwon | djskidd: jigdo's also handy if, for example, you have the DVD images and you want to make CD images. You can point it at your mounted DVD image and it'll use the files from there. |
| 14:56.57 | tremon | gele: my root is on an ssd, and like I said, it's a htpc so it runs almost no services |
| 14:57.05 | dwon | djskidd: which torrent is this? |
| 14:57.24 | djskidd | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent that one |
| 14:58.29 | dwon | djskidd: oh, yeah, because they're weekly builds, they change every week, so there aren't a lot of seeders. I'll see if I can add a couple. :) |
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| 14:59.01 | djskidd | i THINK i |
| 14:59.07 | djskidd | oops |
| 14:59.22 | djskidd | i THINK i will go with a standard FTP browser sownload |
| 14:59.26 | Trewas | djskidd: why not just download the .iso? |
| 14:59.28 | dwon | djskidd: What OS are you on now? jigdo-lite is pretty easy to use, if you have it installed |
| 14:59.28 | Trewas | yeah :) |
| 14:59.38 | slikts_ | running apt-get -b source php5-fpm failed with this cryptic error: http://paste.debian.net/161550/ |
| 15:00.05 | slikts_ | I think my experiment with backporting has failed and I´m going to use dotdeb |
| 15:00.10 | djskidd | I am on Windows XP. |
| 15:01.23 | somiaj | djskidd: you still trying to get your wireless card working? |
| 15:02.12 | djskidd | somiaj: Yes |
| 15:02.53 | somiaj | djskidd: what arch are you using? (i368 or amd64 for yer kernel)? |
| 15:03.14 | djskidd | i386 |
| 15:03.30 | somiaj | do you use the 686 kernel or 686-pae kernel? do you know? |
| 15:03.38 | djskidd | no, I don't know |
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| 15:03.51 | somiaj | do you have more than 4gigs of ram? |
| 15:03.58 | djskidd | no, only 1GB |
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| 15:05.19 | somiaj | djskidd: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-486 |
| 15:05.32 | somiaj | djskidd: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek |
| 15:05.43 | somiaj | download those two deb packages, install them with dpkg -i on your system |
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| 15:05.52 | somiaj | that should be enough to get that wireless card working |
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| 15:06.17 | somiaj | (you have the same card I do, it works in linux. Though I have small issues with it on large networks with multiple AP's it works fine on my home network) |
| 15:06.19 | slikts_ | do I need security.debian.org in sources.list if I already have cdn.debian.net/debian? |
| 15:06.31 | slikts_ | doesn´t cdn include security stuff |
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| 15:07.25 | somiaj | slikts_: nope, you need security.debian.org sepertally |
| 15:07.32 | somiaj | cdn just points you to the fastest main mirror |
| 15:09.23 | djskidd | gah so many required's |
| 15:09.36 | djskidd | do I need all of them? |
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| 15:10.25 | somiaj | djskidd: those are the depends, you should have them on your system |
| 15:10.39 | somiaj | djskidd: just scroll down, you should only need 2 packages (the kernel and the firmware) |
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| 15:11.21 | mooglenorph | Hi. I need to virtualize windows so I can put music on my iphone. I'm on debian stable. What's the simplest virtualization solution possible for this application? |
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| 15:11.56 | djskidd | mooglenorph: I like VirtualBox |
| 15:14.29 | somiaj | mooglenorph: do you have a windows license? vbox requires a full install of windows and you need to be licensed. Seems you can get itunes to work in wine if you would rather use that. |
| 15:15.19 | mooglenorph | My school gives out windows for free |
| 15:15.33 | mooglenorph | Hmm, I didn't know itunes could work in wine... |
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| 15:16.00 | djskidd | So what do I do with the kernel file? |
| 15:16.05 | somiaj | mooglenorph: it doesn't get the best ratings on winehq.org, but googling 'linux itunes' give pages that suggest using it in wine |
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| 15:16.43 | rodcorporation | Hello guys! I'm with a problem with my Debian Squeeze that doesnt recognize my iPod Touch 3G. Show for me when I connect my iPod, the message: "Unhandled lockdown error (-4)". I try to install libimobiledevice 1.0.7 that have a support with iOS 5 and doesnt do nothing =[ |
| 15:17.06 | somiaj | djskidd: you should have two files that are foo.deb |
| 15:17.20 | somiaj | djskidd: copy them over to your linux system, do a dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb |
| 15:17.26 | djskidd | okay |
| 15:17.28 | somiaj | djskidd: reboot onto the new kernel, your wireless card should work then |
| 15:17.33 | djskidd | any particular order? |
| 15:17.42 | somiaj | djskidd: you can install them both in the same line |
| 15:17.50 | somiaj | djskidd: (otherwise kernel first) |
| 15:18.06 | mooglenorph | somiaj: that's madness. I didn't even bother checking wine because last time I tried to use itunes on linux (four or five years ago) it was basically impossible. |
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| 15:19.08 | mooglenorph | I'll give wine a go and if that doesn't work I'll use virtualbox with free windows from my university... thanks all. |
| 15:19.19 | somiaj | rodcorporation: not sure if you need a newer kernel or not for that, (do some research) but you can get a 3.2 kernel from backports.debian.org f you need |
| 15:19.39 | somiaj | mooglenorph: the version of wine in debian is fairly outdated, if you want a new one have you ever compiled source code? |
| 15:19.58 | slikts_ | what isn´t outdated in debian? |
| 15:20.08 | tremon | slikts_: its users |
| 15:20.22 | djskidd | says kernel breaks initramfs-tools |
| 15:20.37 | somiaj | mooglenorph: using the wine source and running, ./configure, make, make install will install wine in /usr/local (just keep the source around so you can make uninstall it) |
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| 15:20.49 | rodcorporation | Hi! I'm using kernel 3.2.0-0.bcop.2-amd64. I installed with backports =] |
| 15:21.03 | somiaj | djskidd: ok go back to the page that I linked you and grab the backported version of initramfs-tools |
| 15:21.26 | somiaj | djskidd: looks like you might need to grab the linux-base file as well |
| 15:21.33 | somiaj | djskidd: ll [08:21] [somiaj(+i) |
| 15:21.37 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/initramfs-tools |
| 15:21.46 | somiaj | djskidd: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-base |
| 15:21.47 | rodcorporation | somiaj, I'm using kernel 3.2.0-0.bcop.2-amd64. I installed with backports =] |
| 15:21.55 | mooglenorph | somiaj: oh, yeah, I can compile stuff. I'll go get the latest wine, then. |
| 15:22.37 | somiaj | slikts_: debian is not the distro for everyone, but really if you learn how debian does things it works really well and gives you a rock solid stable system |
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| 15:23.16 | slikts_ | somiaj: I´d happily agree with you if I could |
| 15:23.42 | slikts_ | somiaj: after seeing the backport compilation crash and burn I can´t agree, though |
| 15:23.55 | somiaj | slikts_: but wine hasn't been updated in debian since lenny for the most part. So really the wine version in debian is the version from oldstable |
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| 15:24.34 | slikts_ | the virtual dependency problem I had also didn´t leave a good impression |
| 15:24.46 | HeXiLeD | ok ... all re-installed ... if you are still there Rydekull http://dpaste.com/724864/ my problem now is with udev and grub. in order to be able to boot the box without rescue mode i have to remove /dev/sda2 from fstab. this partition holds only /home/* while i am able to boot like this from the install i am however not able to get hardware info such as with fdisk. in other words it's like udev does not |
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| 15:25.06 | somiaj | slikts_: you should not be getting dependency problems in squeeze. But again you seem to want software that is not in debian stable. Yes it will be work to get it in debian stable. |
| 15:25.20 | slikts_ | in the end, I´m trying to get something that´s been released for a long time (php-fpm) and is a best practice for something as widely used as PHP, and debian doesn´t allow me to do this without giving headaches |
| 15:25.43 | djskidd | now just dpkg all of them? |
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| 15:25.58 | dwon | slikts_: That's why I run testing or unstable on most of my machines |
| 15:26.01 | slikts_ | I find not having php-fpm is just damning |
| 15:26.09 | jelly-home | mooglenorph: iTunes basically does not work well, or at all. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347 http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=iTunes |
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| 15:26.37 | slikts_ | dwon: can I upgrade squeeze to testing in-place? |
| 15:26.47 | slikts_ | dwon: like, just by changing the repositories |
| 15:27.11 | somiaj | slikts_: http://andriigrytsenko.net/2011/05/nginx-php-fpm-for-debian/ (there is some instructions if you want to build from source and install in /usr/local) |
| 15:27.15 | djskidd | somiaj: Do I dpkg all at once? |
| 15:27.29 | somiaj | djskidd: that is what I would do |
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| 15:27.41 | jelly-home | slikts_: yes, with all the caveats using testing brings. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:27.51 | somiaj | djskidd: and again if it complains that you are missing something, go grab it and repeate. You will eventally get everything (sorry I cannot give you a complete list of what you need) |
| 15:28.02 | chris_99 | hi, does anyone know what the lowest ammount of memory debian can run with these days? |
| 15:28.14 | jelly-home | slikts_: there is no undo -- if it doesn't work out, you'll have to reinstall |
| 15:28.25 | somiaj | slikts_: the source package for php-fpm is php5 (so build that source) |
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| 15:28.50 | slikts_ | somiaj: I don´t want to manually build anything |
| 15:28.51 | tremon | HeXiLeD: pastebin /proc/mounts and /boot/grub/device.map |
| 15:29.03 | somiaj | slikts_: apt-get build-dep php5 && apt-get -b source php5 |
| 15:29.06 | djskidd | compressed data is corrupt |
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| 15:29.12 | djskidd | so I grab the kernel again? |
| 15:29.16 | jelly-home | slikts_: then I suggest waiting for the php 5.4 backport to appear in squeeze-backports |
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| 15:29.30 | slikts_ | somiaj: hmm, okay |
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| 15:29.42 | somiaj | slikts_: then use the dotdeb packages if you really really want to. (I wouldnt suggest that but there is no reason why you cannot do that). Just realize that is NOT supported. Or yes php 5.4 has been backported, and hopefully php5-fpm comes with that |
| 15:29.50 | somiaj | slikts_: it should be there soon |
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| 15:30.02 | jelly-home | somiaj: have you ever tried backporting a huge source like php5? It's not trivial. |
| 15:30.42 | slikts_ | let´s see if apt-get build-dep php5 && apt-get -b source php5 works |
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| 15:30.55 | somiaj | jelly-home: I know its not trivial, and I'm hoping this recentally backported php5.4 fixes this issue people seem to have. |
| 15:30.56 | slikts_ | it´ll probably take forever |
| 15:30.58 | jelly-home | casually suggesting it to a user wary of manually building anything is unwise |
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| 15:31.28 | somiaj | jelly-home: so if these php 5.4 packages weren't recentally backported, what would have been your suggestion? |
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| 15:32.09 | somiaj | slikts_: I would wait for the offical packages to make it into backports, they have been backported and are just waiting aproval. |
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| 15:33.24 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724866/ @ tremon |
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| 15:34.16 | jelly-home | somiaj: I wouldn't suggest anything further |
| 15:34.20 | djskidd | i think it's finally working!!! |
| 15:34.35 | tremon | HeXiLeD: what's this machine used for? cramfs? /dev2? |
| 15:34.36 | djskidd | it says done. do I reboot? |
| 15:34.45 | somiaj | djskidd: once you install the newer kernel yes. |
| 15:35.04 | HeXiLeD | first time i am seeing /dev2 |
| 15:35.08 | djskidd | it says a process is still running in the terminal |
| 15:35.09 | tremon | HeXiLeD: you can rebuild device.map with grub-mkdevicemap, but manual editing may be in order |
| 15:35.12 | HeXiLeD | it's a vps |
| 15:35.14 | djskidd | is that because I am root? |
| 15:35.20 | HeXiLeD | ok |
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| 15:35.52 | jmd | Is wheezy at all usable these days? |
| 15:36.14 | DaveNull | i'm using it daily |
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| 15:37.26 | tremon | HeXiLeD: if that doesn't work, you need to contact the hosting provider, you appear to be using a custom boot sequence |
| 15:37.33 | djskidd | how do I find out what kernel I have in terminal? |
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| 15:38.51 | HeXiLeD | tremon http://dpaste.com/724867/ and yes it looks like it but i can boot from live cd rescue and have the system displaying it's normal output |
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| 15:39.18 | DaveNull | djskidd, cat /proc/version |
| 15:39.37 | xreal | Seems there are serious problem when accessing iSCSI target on Squeeze from Windows. Any experience? |
| 15:39.41 | HeXiLeD | tremon for exmaple : # grub-mkconfig /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?) |
| 15:39.55 | HeXiLeD | udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
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| 15:40.12 | tremon | HeXiLeD: pastebin ls -l /dev/disk/by-*/ |
| 15:40.56 | djskidd | are |
| 15:40.57 | djskidd | you |
| 15:41.00 | djskidd | freaking |
| 15:41.01 | Rosenzweig | Hey, I installed Windows 7 the other day on my laptop and when I went to restart my computer and log into Debian, I noticed grub was gone. Well after some difficulties (I accidentally created a new linux partition through rescue mode) I managed to get Super Grub2 Disc on a CD. |
| 15:41.01 | djskidd | kidding |
| 15:41.02 | djskidd | ME |
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| 15:41.26 | Rosenzweig | Well anyways, I started up my old Debian system and now it won't load gdm3 automatically. |
| 15:41.28 | djskidd | oh the irony. I'm about to explode, and Explode by Droptek comes on on my iPod. |
| 15:41.54 | Rosenzweig | Actually, I typed in a command "invoke-rc.d gmd3 start" or something to start up gdm3 and it just doesn't do anything. |
| 15:41.56 | Rosenzweig | Sits on console. |
| 15:42.04 | HeXiLeD | tremon nothing like that there http://dpaste.com/724870/ |
| 15:42.10 | somiaj | djskidd: uname -r |
| 15:42.13 | djskidd | WIRELESS ADAPTER |
| 15:42.17 | djskidd | Y U NO WORK |
| 15:42.18 | HeXiLeD | udev does not seem to be doing it's work |
| 15:42.29 | Rosenzweig | Does anyone have a clue on what I should do? |
| 15:42.59 | somiaj | jmd: wheezy is as usuable as it always is. You can get it to work if you can deal with thigns that break. If small amounts or large amounts are broken is basically random and depends on what software you use |
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| 15:43.11 | Yukiteru | Rosenzweig: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 |
| 15:43.19 | djskidd | so the wireless adapter is STILL not working |
| 15:43.20 | tremon | Rosenzweig: check /var/log/Xorg.* for obvious error messages (also check creation time of last logfile) |
| 15:43.21 | somiaj | djskidd: so you are booted up into the new kernel (does uname -r say 3.2.0-bpo) |
| 15:43.25 | Rosenzweig | Ahh, okay |
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| 15:43.45 | djskidd | somiaj: yesh |
| 15:44.11 | somiaj | djskidd: 'iwconfig' does that show your wireless card and its wireless extensions? |
| 15:44.37 | Rosenzweig | Yukiteru, I think that did the trick. |
| 15:44.41 | Rosenzweig | My answer solved in one line. |
| 15:44.42 | Rosenzweig | Thanks. |
| 15:45.06 | djskidd | YES! YES IT DOES!!! |
| 15:45.11 | Rosenzweig | Now I just have to fix grub completely and delete that whoopsy linux partition. |
| 15:45.33 | djskidd | now how do I turn it on? |
| 15:45.42 | somiaj | djskidd: so seems your wireless card is detected, now lets get it running. Are you trying to use network manager for it or do you just have a command line? |
| 15:46.11 | djskidd | I want to have Network Manager doing the work, but it doesn't show up |
| 15:46.28 | DaveNull | somiaj: on my box, uname -r don't give the real kernel version, but the debian package number |
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| 15:46.55 | somiaj | DaveNull: paste the output of uname -r |
| 15:47.05 | benedikt | TrueCrypt seems to be a mess. Is there a good alternative? |
| 15:47.09 | DaveNull | 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
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| 15:47.17 | somiaj | djskidd: is your wireless card 'wlan0' ? |
| 15:47.22 | somiaj | DaveNull: that is your kernel version |
| 15:47.26 | djskidd | somiaj: yup |
| 15:47.37 | djskidd | it has a ton of wireless-related info next to it |
| 15:47.38 | DaveNull | Debian 3.2.12-1 as says cat /proc/version |
| 15:47.41 | tremon | HeXiLeD: apt-get -o "Dpkg::Options=--force-confask" --reinstall install udev will allow you to review all changes to udev's config |
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| 15:48.36 | somiaj | DaveNull: I guess it is what you need the version number for, then uname -r is the version number you need if you want to install any header packages and the likes |
| 15:48.40 | tremon | HeXiLeD: but I'm worried by the existence of /dev/MAKEDEV, that suggests udev might be disabled entirely |
| 15:48.52 | somiaj | djskidd: grep wlan0 /etc/network/interfaces (do you get anything returning from that)? |
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| 15:49.22 | djskidd | no, nothing |
| 15:49.40 | DaveNull | somiaj, yes... but, afaik Debian is the only distro to do it that's way... hence my trouble when i first realize that |
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| 15:50.49 | djskidd | somiaj: no returns |
| 15:51.08 | tremon | always replaces "debian is the only" with "debian is the first", makes for much better reading |
| 15:51.32 | HeXiLeD | tremon http://dpaste.com/724878/ and yes there is a problem with udev. the box had 183 days uptime until i did the upgrade from lenny to squeeze and then just froze after a few days. i tested and benchmarked the hardware to be sure that nothing was physical. |
| 15:51.50 | somiaj | djskidd: hmm, trying to see why network manager is not seeing the wireless device (I have never used network manager myself) |
| 15:52.17 | somiaj | DaveNull: it makes things like apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` useful. (: |
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| 15:52.55 | DaveNull | yep, i well understand the reason of this choice but... |
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| 15:54.03 | djskidd | Sofa King... |
| 15:54.12 | djskidd | BRILLIANT |
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| 15:55.38 | tremon | HeXiLeD: so, the problem is not in udev's config. Is udev even running? ps -ef |grep udev |
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| 15:56.02 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724883/ |
| 15:56.14 | HeXiLeD | wait |
| 15:56.21 | HeXiLeD | ignore that |
| 15:56.25 | djskidd | so how can I at least get connected to the home network here? |
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| 15:56.51 | somiaj | djskidd: what kinda of encryption does your home network use (wep, wpa or none) |
| 15:56.56 | djskidd | WEP |
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| 15:57.23 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724884/ yes seems to tremon |
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| 15:57.55 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: is the system now booted properly or still from a livecd or rescue mode? |
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| 15:59.18 | djskidd | somiaj, wep encrypted |
| 15:59.22 | HeXiLeD | no. it's been booted from it's regular boot mode but without having sda2 mounted to be able to boot it. but what it loads is what we see. so far i have not been on live cd or chroot / rescue mode |
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| 16:00.01 | tremon | HeXiLeD: does udevadm settle complete without error, or does it hang? |
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| 16:00.09 | HeXiLeD | right now i believe if i reboot it .. i will only be able to boot from live cd and then have to chroot. however like this i am able to see more udev output |
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| 16:00.20 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: pastebin cat /proc/mounts |
| 16:00.23 | HeXiLeD | no output from udevadm settle |
| 16:00.44 | somiaj | djskidd: http://paste.debian.net/161559/ |
| 16:00.45 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724886/ |
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| 16:00.57 | somiaj | djskidd: put those three lines in your /etc/network/interfaces and then type 'ifup wlan0' |
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| 16:01.49 | HeXiLeD | reboot it form live cd jelly-home ? |
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| 16:02.36 | tremon | HeXiLeD: we're reaching the point where I'm out of options. Try restarting udev, and issue udevadm trigger --verbose --subsystem-match=block |
| 16:02.43 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: it looks as if initramfs -> real system transition did not happen properly |
| 16:03.06 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: that cramfs root should not exist after initramfs |
| 16:03.25 | tremon | jelly-home: ah, cramfs is cpio-compressed ramfs? |
| 16:03.43 | jelly-home | it's what debian uses for initramfs yes |
| 16:03.44 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724888/ for mount |
| 16:04.14 | jelly-home | but I don't see whast that would be a problem. |
| 16:04.26 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: why do you think there are issues with udev at all? |
| 16:04.55 | tremon | jelly-home: he's missing /dev/disk/by-* entries |
| 16:05.01 | djskidd | was I supposed to remove the previous entry? |
| 16:05.20 | somiaj | djskidd: you had a privious entry for wlan0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:05.21 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home as tremon says and more . |
| 16:05.25 | tremon | HeXiLeD: that mount list looks better, grub-probe still can't find root fs? |
| 16:05.36 | djskidd | no, for lo |
| 16:05.44 | HeXiLeD | tremon it is weird .. |
| 16:05.51 | somiaj | djskidd: yes leave the entry for lo there |
| 16:06.25 | jmd | So it looks as if I'll have to dual boot until I know that wheezy is usable. |
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| 16:06.33 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: boot a livecd like grml.org, mount your system, mount --bind /sys, /dev and /proc in there, chroot into it, then dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:06.53 | somiaj | jmd: define usable? What is it that you want to do and why doesn't squeeze and backports fix your problems. |
| 16:06.54 | jmd | Can anyone point me to a tutorial showing me how to resize my multipath device? |
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| 16:07.30 | djskidd | okay, I typed ifup wlan0 in terminal, now what? |
| 16:07.31 | jelly-home | tremon: that's probably because some tools needed for udev helpers are still missing after HeXiLeD's wiping his /usr/bin |
| 16:07.32 | HeXiLeD | i cant boot a live cd like that. the box 8000km away |
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| 16:07.52 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home no the problem was like this before the wipe |
| 16:08.05 | HeXiLeD | happened after upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:08.29 | somiaj | djskidd: does it bring up your interface (you should see it trying to get an IP and then finally get one |
| 16:08.30 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: so it's an unrelated issue? |
| 16:08.36 | HeXiLeD | right now things are like after the upgrade |
| 16:08.38 | HeXiLeD | yes |
| 16:08.56 | djskidd | I saw it get an IP in the terminal |
| 16:09.03 | somiaj | djskidd: ping google.com |
| 16:09.07 | HeXiLeD | this issue is what caused me to make the mistake regarding /usr/bin |
| 16:09.15 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: I wouldn't mess further with the machine before gaining console access |
| 16:09.27 | HeXiLeD | define console axx ? |
| 16:09.37 | djskidd | it is pinging google.com |
| 16:09.48 | somiaj | djskidd: you are online |
| 16:09.49 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: being able to boot a livecd and fix any boot issues |
| 16:09.57 | HeXiLeD | i can do that |
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| 16:10.13 | HeXiLeD | the system has it's only live cd boot and allows me to boot from it . |
| 16:10.16 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: you just said you couldn't |
| 16:10.26 | jelly-home | so which is it |
| 16:10.29 | HeXiLeD | not for choice of the live cd |
| 16:10.37 | tremon | jelly-home: it's a vps. live-cd boot != physical access |
| 16:10.38 | HeXiLeD | the one it is provided . |
| 16:10.49 | HeXiLeD | so.. boot from it ? |
| 16:11.03 | jelly-home | tremon: console access != physical access, either |
| 16:11.15 | tremon | jelly-home: ah. gotcha :) |
| 16:11.19 | djskidd | wow that internet is slow as hell |
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| 16:12.00 | djskidd | let's see... |
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| 16:12.09 | djskidd | ah there I am |
| 16:12.18 | wizkid5059 | here I is |
| 16:12.20 | HeXiLeD | i will try a couple things. normal reboot and then well then if normal reboot fails to bring it back on .. live boot is the only option |
| 16:12.25 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: that was supposed to clear up the packaging situation. |
| 16:12.30 | wizkid5059 | both computers are connected to the same network |
| 16:12.39 | djskidd | and lag is minimal |
| 16:13.01 | tremon | HeXiLeD: without being able to generate an initramfs, I wouldn't count on a normal boot solving your problems. I'd go straight to live-cd |
| 16:13.03 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: if it makes your system unbootable, it's not worth the trouble |
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| 16:13.42 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: is this physical hardware or a virtualized environment? Which VM solution? |
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| 16:14.11 | djskidd | Can I run Ubuntu applications? |
| 16:14.13 | HeXiLeD | most likely wount. but options are running out. however from live boot udev creates the missing problems |
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| 16:14.37 | HeXiLeD | it's a VM but not sure which. this product is no longer for sale |
| 16:14.47 | somiaj | djskidd: don't mix debian repos with ubuntu packages, that is asking for trouble |
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| 16:14.54 | somiaj | djskidd: what application are you wanting to run? |
| 16:14.55 | tremon | HeXiLeD: from a live-cd, udev shouldn't matter. Your device files should be bind-mounted from the live cd |
| 16:15.07 | djskidd | Mixxx |
| 16:15.11 | djskidd | mixxx.org |
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| 16:15.39 | somiaj | never heard for that |
| 16:15.54 | somiaj | djskidd: apt-cache search mixxx (it is in the debian repo) |
| 16:15.54 | LordDeath | when I install fail2ban on my system, will the default configuration activate it immediately? |
| 16:15.55 | HeXiLeD | well.. from live boot for example after chroot fdisk works and displays whats on the machine while right now from regular boot it outputs nothing |
| 16:16.06 | somiaj | djskidd: though you may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and include squeeze sources |
| 16:16.13 | somiaj | !tell djskidd about squeeze sources.list |
| 16:16.57 | tremon | HeXiLeD: that's because without an argument, fdisk searches /dev for block devices. If they aren |
| 16:16.57 | HeXiLeD | i ses no other option other than live boot |
| 16:17.05 | tremon | 't there, fdisk will output nothing |
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| 16:17.14 | HeXiLeD | fdisk -l for example |
| 16:17.45 | HeXiLeD | it is weird .. because i can mount /dev/sda2 but i cannot list it |
| 16:17.53 | tremon | HeXiLeD: you haven't performed the udevadm trigger I asked btw... |
| 16:18.00 | HeXiLeD | i did . and no output |
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| 16:18.36 | tremon | HeXiLeD: no output? not even from virtual loop devices? |
| 16:18.46 | HeXiLeD | nothing |
| 16:18.48 | djskidd | ahh, good old nano |
| 16:18.51 | tremon | HeXiLeD: is /sys mounted? |
| 16:19.02 | HeXiLeD | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 16:19.21 | tremon | that's funky... |
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| 16:19.54 | EvilGenius101 | anyone here on a 32bit debian. I need a copy of libnspr.so.4 |
| 16:19.58 | HeXiLeD | it is weird as somethings work and but others that work with it do not and act like nothing was working |
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| 16:22.19 | HeXiLeD | i am going to boot it ... |
| 16:22.22 | djskidd | Could I just compile some source code? |
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| 16:23.28 | somiaj | djskidd: well you have to install build-essential and then some -dev libs, but yes you can compile source code |
| 16:23.28 | chris_99 | is 64M RAM the lowest debian will go these days? |
| 16:23.42 | somiaj | djskidd: just be careful when you install it, if you aren't you could mess up your system |
| 16:23.47 | tremon | HeXiLeD: when you're on the livecd, could you re-run the udevadm trigger? I'm curious. Here's my output: http://paste.debian.net/161566/ |
| 16:24.09 | FDFlock | EvilGenius101: which version of Debian? And would you really install software that some random guy on IRC gave you? :) |
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| 16:24.52 | EvilGenius101 | I just need it for a flash media server. i got 10s of servers there ain't nothing in that sever even if he got his hands on it. (squeeze) |
| 16:25.39 | HeXiLeD | wellwell it booted from the install.. lets see |
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| 16:26.01 | torvald | Could i ask for some help here. Im trying to install debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst on a Intel Xeon Quad-Core - E5620 but i only get this error when installing the base system: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources". Installing from USB made with Unetbootin. Any tip? :/ |
| 16:26.11 | FDFlock | EvilGenius101: Ok, I have 32bit squeeze, but no "libnspr.so.4" ...I have libnspr4.so though |
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| 16:26.26 | EvilGenius101 | let me confirm |
| 16:26.36 | EvilGenius101 | thats the one. |
| 16:26.37 | jelly-home | chris_99: 64MB was barely enough for dpkg and apt 8 years back. 256MB might be a more sensible value. |
| 16:26.46 | EvilGenius101 | if you could upload it somewhere. mediafire.com or rapidshare.com |
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| 16:27.07 | tremon | EvilGenius101: why not just reinstall the package it came in? |
| 16:27.23 | EvilGenius101 | i've tried everything short of reinstalling OS (which i cannot at the moment) |
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| 16:28.03 | EvilGenius101 | It doesn't come with any package. I even did apt-get install libnspr* (which installed 4 pkgs) still it wants more |
| 16:28.26 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: it sounds like a very old version of the library, or a very new one |
| 16:28.37 | FDFlock | EvilGenius101: Well, the package name is "libnspr4-0d" |
| 16:28.45 | chris_99 | this is a pity jelly-home, i get some kind of vfs error when i start it up with 32M |
| 16:28.54 | jelly-home | judd: file /libnspr.so.4 |
| 16:28.59 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 16:29.06 | EvilGenius101 | FDFlock I got that one. I just need the 32 bit library that is in /lib or /usr/lib |
| 16:29.10 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: not in Debian (any more) |
| 16:29.36 | EvilGenius101 | All my servers are 64 bit, the n00bs are hosting company installed 32 bit and now want me to pay $50 more |
| 16:29.39 | EvilGenius101 | for a reinstall. |
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| 16:30.00 | EvilGenius101 | I can't be arsed to wait another day, Will have to just make due and get a new server end of billing peroid |
| 16:30.01 | FDFlock | weird... anyway, I can upload it somwwhere for you, although I'd advise against such a thing (in principle) |
| 16:30.06 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: can you pastebin the full ldd /path/to/binary output? |
| 16:30.25 | EvilGenius101 | hold on |
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| 16:30.31 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 16:30.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 16:30.41 | EvilGenius101 | i know i know |
| 16:30.45 | LordDeath | how can I restart sshd? |
| 16:31.00 | LordDeath | iI don't see it in /etc/init.d |
| 16:31.12 | EvilGenius101 | http://paste2.org/p/1961823 these are the ones i need. |
| 16:31.35 | djskidd | Where does Epiphany put downloads? |
| 16:31.42 | tremon | LordDeath: /etc/init.d/ssh on my server |
| 16:32.07 | Rydekull | LordDeath: dpkg -l openssh-server |
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| 16:33.00 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: ia32-libs is installed already I presume? |
| 16:33.00 | LordDeath | tremon: thx |
| 16:33.10 | LordDeath | now I denies root logins ^^ |
| 16:33.39 | EvilGenius101 | ia32-libs |
| 16:33.43 | EvilGenius101 | sorry, not installed |
| 16:33.49 | EvilGenius101 | E: Unable to locate package ia32-libs |
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| 16:34.24 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: so that's a 32bit system, then? |
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| 16:34.32 | EvilGenius101 | yes |
| 16:34.42 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: what's stopping you from installing libnspr4-0d package? |
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| 16:34.54 | EvilGenius101 | I have. but it didn't help. |
| 16:35.16 | jelly-home | judd: file file libnspr4.so |
| 16:35.20 | jelly-home | judd: file libnspr4.so |
| 16:35.22 | judd | Search for file in squeeze/i386: [truncated] debianutils: bin/tempfile; less: bin/lessfile; sendfile: etc/cron.weekly/sendfile, etc/csh/login.d/sendfile; crossfire-server: etc/crossfire/ban_file, etc/crossfire/dm_file; ax25-tools: etc/ax25/ax25.profile; grun: etc/grun/consfile; popfile: etc/default/popfile; apt-file: etc/bash_completion.d/apt-file; ezmlm-browse: etc/ezmlm- |
| 16:35.23 | judd | browse/Makefile; dkms: etc/dkms/template-dkms-mkdeb/Makefile; etckeeper: etc/etckeeper/pre-commit.d/20warn-special-file; exim4-config: etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_address_file; drupal6: etc/drupal/6/profiles/default/default.profile |
| 16:35.28 | judd | Search for libnspr4.so in squeeze/i386: libnspr4-0d: usr/lib/libnspr4.so; iceape-browser: usr/lib/iceape/libnspr4.so |
| 16:35.47 | EvilGenius101 | no such file or direc |
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| 16:35.50 | nocturnal | I have a serverlist.txt with one host per line, each host is already setup with my public ssh key. I do while read -r host; do ssh -t "$host" sudo apt-get update; done < serverlist.txt but I get "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified" as error. |
| 16:35.59 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: and if you run the binary with env LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libnspr4.so |
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| 16:37.08 | slikts_ | Build command 'cd php5-5.4.0 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
| 16:37.11 | slikts_ | yay, this sucked |
| 16:37.20 | karlpinc | nocturnal: You're probably better off allowing root to login using keys and setting up root's authorized_keys file, perhaps with "command=apt-get update". |
| 16:37.23 | slikts_ | it failed at mysql again |
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| 16:37.39 | EvilGenius101 | ./fmsmaster: error while loading shared libraries: libnspr4.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
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| 16:39.11 | djskidd | Do I have to restart every time I dpkg install something? |
| 16:39.24 | karlpinc | nocturnal: You can make and use a key other than your own identity for this, and use ssh -i to specify the key. |
| 16:39.42 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: sounds like you... managed to get a 64bit copy of libnspr4.so somehow? |
| 16:39.44 | karlpinc | djskidd: No. Only kernels and stuff like glibc need a reboot. |
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| 16:40.11 | karlpinc | djskidd: See also <readme.debian>. |
| 16:40.12 | EvilGenius101 | Yea, I slapped a 64 bit when nothing worked. I thought i'd give it a go |
| 16:40.17 | karlpinc | !tell djskidd about readme.debian |
| 16:40.20 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: pastebin the output of file /opt/adobe/fms/fmsmaster /usr/lib/libnspr4.so |
| 16:40.38 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: get rid of it. Rerun ldconfig. |
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| 16:41.23 | Ig0r | hi boys :)) anyone to have experience of router (TP-Link - TL-WR340G) to know ipv6 support this model or not? |
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| 16:41.32 | EvilGenius101 | ok done |
| 16:41.33 | EvilGenius101 | same error |
| 16:42.47 | jelly-home | waiting for the output of file, EvilGenius101 |
| 16:43.08 | EvilGenius101 | r /usr/lib/libnspr4.so |
| 16:43.08 | EvilGenius101 | <jelly-home> EvilGenius101: get rid of it. Rerun ldconfig. |
| 16:43.16 | EvilGenius101 | ugh yes one moment |
| 16:43.21 | Rydekull | Ig0r: I guess, no |
| 16:43.25 | EvilGenius101 | root@srv526:/opt/adobe/fms# ./fmsmaster |
| 16:43.25 | EvilGenius101 | ./fmsmaster: error while loading shared libraries: libnspr4.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 16:43.39 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: "file /opt/adobe/fms/fmsmaster /usr/lib/libnspr4.so" |
| 16:43.51 | Ig0r | oks tnx Rydekull |
| 16:44.46 | EvilGenius101 | file /opt/adobe/fms/fmsmaster /usr/lib/libnspr4.so |
| 16:44.52 | EvilGenius101 | /opt/adobe/fms/fmsmaster: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 16:44.53 | EvilGenius101 | /usr/lib/libnspr4.so: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/lib/libnspr4.so' (No such file or directory) |
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| 16:45.55 | EvilGenius101 | I removed the 64 bit libnspr and ran ldconfig before doing the above |
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| 16:48.11 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: you have a second libnspr4.so somewhere in the default library path |
| 16:48.36 | jelly-home | a second 64bit one, apparently |
| 16:48.46 | jelly-home | EvilGenius101: stracing might help |
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| 16:49.08 | EvilGenius101 | not in /lib or /usr/lib |
| 16:49.13 | EvilGenius101 | nspr is no mor |
| 16:49.22 | Rydekull | find / -name libnspr4.so -ls |
| 16:49.35 | jelly-home | it's just resting? |
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| 16:50.52 | EvilGenius101 | libnspr4.so.0d: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 16:50.55 | EvilGenius101 | Got it. |
| 16:52.17 | jelly-home | that's not the ELFCLASS64 one. |
| 16:52.19 | HeXiLeD | tremon http://dpaste.com/724897/ |
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| 16:52.23 | Knaldgas | Making a network booting debian client - Client starts fine via PXE, but the /run/lock directory seem to be created. /run is mounted on tmpfs. Any hints? |
| 16:52.39 | rking | I don't know what to say. "Goodbye.", after 16 years. =~( |
| 16:52.47 | rking | Thanks for everything, really. |
| 16:52.47 | HeXiLeD | tremon i posted from the live boot and then chroot |
| 16:52.52 | rking | (Gentoo now) |
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| 16:53.13 | jelly-home | rking: have fun! |
| 16:53.24 | rking | jelly-home: Thanks. =( I'm so sad, though. |
| 16:53.42 | jelly-home | I'm not! |
| 16:54.06 | Knaldgas | Hmm, /run/lock directory does NOT seem to be created!!! |
| 16:54.36 | jelly-home | rking: the choice of distro means very little in the grand scheme of things |
| 16:55.04 | rking | jelly-home: Yeah, I know it's a weird gesture of me... but I've come in here 1,000s of times. I can still find goofy lists.debian.org archives of some of the very first Linux questions I ever had. |
| 16:55.34 | rking | jelly-home: I think I might have even physically punched people for not being fans of Debian. |
| 16:55.52 | tremon | HeXiLeD: interesting. if you had /dev and /sys bind-mounted before chrooting, it does appear that your udev is broken |
| 16:56.21 | Rydekull | rking: this make me interested though, why gentoo? |
| 16:56.22 | tremon | HeXiLeD: can you ls -l /dev/disk/by-*/ from outside the chroot? |
| 16:56.36 | Rydekull | rking: perhaps better in #debian-offtopic though |
| 16:56.42 | LordDeath | on my debian server sendmail was preinstalled |
| 16:56.43 | rking | Rydekull: I'll tell you there. |
| 16:56.53 | LordDeath | it got removed when I installed postfix |
| 16:57.10 | LordDeath | can I safely delete the /etc/init.d/sendmail file? |
| 16:57.37 | jelly-home | LordDeath: find the package it belongs to, dpkg -S /etc/init.d/sendmail, and then purge it. |
| 16:58.09 | tremon | HeXiLeD: anyway, from inside the chroot you should now be able to: grub-mkdevicemap, update-initramfs -u -k all, and update-grub |
| 16:58.13 | HeXiLeD | tremon 1 sec. i am setting up grub |
| 16:58.21 | LordDeath | jelly-home: "sendmail-bin" |
| 16:58.27 | LordDeath | ok, I will purge it |
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| 16:59.10 | jelly-home | LordDeath: there may be other leftover packages, try dpkg -l sendmail\* | grep -v ^.n |
| 16:59.19 | FDFlock | rking: I've used both distros, and still find both of them great! Have fun whichever you choose. :) |
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| 16:59.40 | jelly-home | LordDeath: sendmail-base if I remember correctly. It's been years. |
| 16:59.46 | rking | FDFlock: Thanks! I really don't mean any ill will by coming in here.. I don't know what to do. I've known Debian longer than my firstborn son. |
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| 17:00.25 | LordDeath | jelly-home: you are right |
| 17:00.30 | FDFlock | :) |
| 17:00.40 | LordDeath | there are still sendmail-base, sendmail-cf and sendmail-doc |
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| 17:01.45 | jelly-home | LordDeath: purging al of those should clean up the situation |
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| 17:01.53 | LordDeath | it did |
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| 17:02.08 | LordDeath | and they didn't harm my postfix installation |
| 17:02.15 | LordDeath | (i hope) ^^ |
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| 17:02.57 | jelly-home | LordDeath: is /etc/mail directory now empty, or better yet, not existing any more? |
| 17:03.06 | LordDeath | no |
| 17:03.32 | LordDeath | it said that /etc/mail isn't empty and therefore it wont delete it |
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| 17:04.04 | LordDeath | I still have a /etc/mail/access file there |
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| 17:04.07 | Hans_Henrik | how can i extract a rar file? |
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| 17:04.35 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724906/ # tremon |
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| 17:05.51 | tremon | HeXiLeD: pastebin the new /boot/grub/device.map (and fstab, for good measure) |
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| 17:07.13 | tremon | HeXiLeD: the bin/man error should have been resolved by reinstalling man-db, please try again |
| 17:07.21 | HeXiLeD | http://dpaste.com/724908/ |
| 17:07.23 | bs0d | Hello everybody. How to download an X.509 vertificate of a website in iceweasel? Can't figure it out |
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| 17:09.03 | HeXiLeD | man-db errors persist |
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| 17:09.37 | LordDoskias | hello people, i think my machine might have been compromised: |
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| 17:09.57 | LordDeath | I just installed fail2ban on my debian machine |
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| 17:10.13 | LordDoskias | this is what happens when i try to do aptitude update : http://pastie.org/private/pbm9tugmbpg1t0a5svvca |
| 17:10.16 | LordDeath | is there something important to consider when using fail2ban? |
| 17:10.50 | LordDoskias | LordDeath, do iptables -L -v and see if the fail2ban chain is appropriately installed by seeing whether the rules apply to the correct port |
| 17:11.01 | tremon | HeXiLeD: you can silence the error by issuing touch /usr/bin/man, then dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:11.11 | tremon | the rest looks good. now grub-install '(hd0)', assuming that's where the server boots from and you should be good to go. At least the boot should be fine, the one remaning issue is why udev doesn't create block device nodes |
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| 17:11.46 | jelly-home | booting of iscsi, how nice |
| 17:11.53 | jelly-home | off* |
| 17:12.06 | jelly-home | tremon: I had no idea grub could do that. |
| 17:12.27 | HeXiLeD | removal and installation solved the man-db issue and pulled in groff. grub was installed on /dev/sda and yes.. udev is now one of the remaining problems. mysql is the other one. |
| 17:12.38 | jelly-home | in fact I'm not sure HeXiLeD can tamper with the boot process like that at all |
| 17:12.38 | tremon | jelly-home: where'd you find that? completely missed it |
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| 17:12.51 | jelly-home | tremon: /dev/disk/by-path |
| 17:13.12 | LordDeath | LordDoskias: thx |
| 17:13.30 | jelly-home | tremon: makes me think only "uba" devices are "local" |
| 17:13.31 | LordDoskias | LordDeath, also check with ps ax whether fail2ban is running |
| 17:14.30 | HeXiLeD | any ideas for udev ? |
| 17:14.33 | tremon | HeXiLeD: has this configuration worked correctly before? I know you dist-upgraded from lenny, but what was the boot configuration then? |
| 17:15.06 | jelly-home | tremon: but I have no experience with... whatever virtualization method is used here. kvm? xen? |
| 17:15.37 | LordDeath | LordDoskias: yes, according to htop and ps fail2ban is running |
| 17:15.55 | LordDeath | I also made a /etc/init.d/fail2ban restart and I got no error |
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| 17:16.53 | LordDeath | will fail2ban will create an entry into my logfiles when it bans a hosts, right? |
| 17:17.08 | LordDeath | -will +and |
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| 17:19.43 | HeXiLeD | tremon this is teh other kernel .. http://dpaste.com/724913/ now look at this detail from the web management http://s16.postimage.org/ls8muurwz/boot_options.png and this is what they say about kernel upgrade:http://help.ovh.com/KernelInstall http://help.ovh.com/KernelInstall . if that boot never changes... i cant boot the new kernel. |
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| 17:20.11 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 17:20.35 | HeXiLeD | unless i cheat and rename the "kernel" |
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| 17:22.14 | ragnar76 | a short question, i've done a upgrade a few minutes ago and i get this localised message here : "Aktueller Status: 0 aktualisierbare Pakete [-29]." what does the "-29" means? |
| 17:23.08 | tremon | HeXiLeD: so, they are providing kernels for you and the preferred boot method is lilo. How did you end up with grub? |
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| 17:24.04 | HeXiLeD | i have no idea how i ended up with it. as far as i know i never pulled it but it came on dist-upgrade . so .. go back to lilo ? |
| 17:24.38 | HeXiLeD | i always assumed i could use grub |
| 17:25.14 | HeXiLeD | but i did find weird being asked to config both bootloaders after upgrade |
| 17:25.46 | tremon | HeXiLeD: it depends on your setup. Are you using netboot or booting from the hd? As jelly-home already noticed, we are installing grub onto an iscsi target and that will never work |
| 17:26.09 | tremon | HeXiLeD: from the looks of it, you do not have a /boot partition on your local disk so you probably used to netboot |
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| 17:26.45 | HeXiLeD | yes netboot |
| 17:27.00 | HeXiLeD | and it's booting from the rescue option not hd option |
| 17:27.07 | tremon | HeXiLeD: configuring that is beyond our knowledge. Please don't hesitate to contact their technical support |
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| 17:27.41 | HeXiLeD | i am going to reboot from netboot to get into hd and see |
| 17:29.42 | LordDoskias | can anyone help me determine if my machine has been compromised? i've checked the passwd and shadow files - everything looks good, no unknown processes are running, netstat -ntlp also looks good but aptitude update can't find security.debian and also the mirror i've pointed it to |
| 17:29.44 | ectospasm | I've found busybox on the installer is too limiting to do any real work |
| 17:30.02 | ectospasm | LordDoskias: resolv.conf OK? |
| 17:30.12 | LordDoskias | yes |
| 17:30.26 | LordDoskias | basically it says 404 on the aptitude update |
| 17:30.45 | babilen | LordDoskias: Please paste that output along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:30.46 | ectospasm | what's the deb line for those mirrors? |
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| 17:32.40 | LordDoskias | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9f452262/ |
| 17:32.47 | djskidd | So my little brother was running around screaming Japanese at me and my parents. |
| 17:32.53 | djskidd | oops, wrong channel |
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| 17:33.04 | LordDoskias | furthermore i have ssh running on non-standart port + fail2ban |
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| 17:33.13 | guestwhatever | Is there a way on debian to force everything to obey the wishes of the root user? Some stuff doesn't work unless I login with non-root user |
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| 17:34.34 | Rydekull | adrian15: I dont see the problem with that description there. Nor do I really see what one are trying to build to have a need for that. |
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| 17:36.08 | adrian15 | Rydekull: The eth1 tries to simulate a cross-over cable. Ok. I'll write some route commands at random and you tell me if they make sense because I'm kind of a noob in route complex setups. |
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| 17:36.24 | LordDoskias | babilen, any ideas? |
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| 17:39.57 | adrian15 | Rydekull: Here you are: http://paste.debian.net/161571/ . Not sure if it's correct. And I think I am missing that anything that is being requested at eth1's ip goes back through eth1. |
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| 17:43.08 | LordDoskias | does anyone have any ideas why this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9f452262/ might be happening? |
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| 17:47.14 | petemc | LordDoskias: check the /topic |
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| 17:47.35 | LordDoskias | ah lenny no longer on mirrors |
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| 17:48.33 | LordDoskias | petemc, thanks |
| 17:48.42 | petemc | np |
| 17:48.50 | Rydekull | adrian15: I just dont get it, the article you found basically told you exactly how to do that, why dont you just use that? |
| 17:49.03 | Rydekull | adrian15: and I dont see why this would simulate a cross-over cable any more or less |
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| 17:50.30 | babilen | LordDoskias: Please ask our bot about <release notes> and <lenny->squeeze> (/msg dpkg release notes) in order to learn how to upgrade to squeeze (which you should do immediately) |
| 17:50.44 | LordDoskias | petemc, do you know if aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade will be enough to upgrade lenny to squeeze if i'm running in openvz |
| 17:51.40 | petemc | LordDoskias: see what babilen said |
| 17:51.46 | LordDoskias | i already did |
| 17:51.56 | adrian15 | Rydekull: It's a 2009 article. I just hoped something new replaced it. Well... I'm trying to setup an HA system and instead of using a conventional private network to comunicate the two hosts for DRBD/corosync traffic I will use two public addresses. |
| 17:52.04 | LordDoskias | but i can't do the stuff regarding the kernel |
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| 17:54.22 | karlpinc | LordDoskias: If you can't upgrade the kernel you can't upgrade to squeeze. |
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| 17:54.49 | born2troll | pulseaudio is a virus! its restarting and restarting! |
| 17:55.00 | dvs | kill it! |
| 17:55.10 | born2troll | its just restarting |
| 17:55.19 | born2troll | killed it 100 times |
| 17:55.49 | jelly-home | born2troll: echo autospawn = no >> ~/.pulse/client.conf |
| 17:56.16 | born2troll | jelly-home, did it, then i started the game and it was there again |
| 17:56.19 | born2troll | like a virus |
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| 17:56.28 | jelly-home | uninstall it, then |
| 17:56.28 | mcloy | which has multithreading (utilizing full bandwidth available) sendmail or any other smtp server ? |
| 17:56.34 | adrian15 | Rydekull: I got it. As I only need to communicate to one computer I just need to add a route for it in each server so that they know how to get to the another one. The commands you saw in the pastebin sounds ok or will make route command complain? Thank you. |
| 17:56.42 | babilen | born2troll: "pulseaudio -k" -- Also: "man pulseudio" and http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User |
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| 17:57.01 | born2troll | i did apt-get remove pulseaudio... works fine! |
| 17:57.09 | guardian | hmm my box has debconf-set-selections but no debconf-get-selections, is it normal? |
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| 17:58.37 | babilen | guardian: Did you install the debconf-utils package? (also see: apt-file search -x "bin/debconf-get-selections$") |
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| 17:58.54 | mcloy | which has multithreading (utilizing full bandwidth available) sendmail or any other smtp server ? |
| 17:59.20 | petemc | bandwidth isnt usually the bottleneck sending emails |
| 17:59.21 | guardian | babilen: this is it, not installed, thought it was by default |
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| 17:59.35 | babilen | guardian: yw |
| 17:59.39 | guardian | thx :) |
| 18:00.11 | petemc | mcloy: postfix or qmail have been found in some tests to send out mails faster than others |
| 18:00.32 | jelly-home | petemc: [citation needed] |
| 18:00.41 | petemc | i read it on the internet |
| 18:00.45 | babilen | hah! |
| 18:00.49 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 18:00.56 | petemc | for reals |
| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | it must be true! |
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| 18:03.02 | guardian | when backing up with rsync, which way do you prefer? 1) have the backup script on the client, triggered by cron and just use the backup "server" as a target ssh storage 2) or keep backup scripts on a backup server and schedule backups from that backup server sucking data from the different clients through ssh |
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| 18:04.08 | mcloy | petemc, what do you think about sendmail ? and do you have a comparison table ? |
| 18:04.14 | guardian | i'm asking because i'm using rdiffbackup and i want to restrict it. with 1) i'm using --restrict-update-only path option and with 2) i'm using --restrict-read-only path option |
| 18:04.14 | fasta | Why isn't it possible to copy a file from Dolphin to Nautilus? |
| 18:04.39 | jelly-home | mcloy: how many millions of mails do you need to send daily/hourly? |
| 18:04.41 | petemc | mcloy: i dont have it to hand, it was mentioned on a mailing list |
| 18:04.43 | __zero | what's the website where I can download all the .deb packages of a certain program? It also holds the information about the builds and the like.. |
| 18:04.57 | mcloy | jelly-home, yes |
| 18:04.59 | __zero | something snapshot.. |
| 18:05.14 | jelly-home | mcloy: HOW MANY? |
| 18:05.20 | mcloy | jelly-home, does sendmail and posttfix/qmail support multithreading ? |
| 18:05.27 | mcloy | 1m |
| 18:05.57 | jelly-home | mcloy: you don't need multithreading for that. Postfix and one single decent server will work. |
| 18:06.00 | mcloy | petemc, ok. what are you comments about sendmail. as compared to postfix and qmail ? |
| 18:06.07 | petemc | i use exim |
| 18:06.12 | mcloy | jelly-home, hm.. |
| 18:06.18 | babilen | !tell mcloy -about mta comparison |
| 18:06.27 | babilen | mcloy: That article is a bit old though |
| 18:06.38 | mcloy | noproblem |
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| 18:07.01 | babilen | !tell __zero about snapshot |
| 18:07.07 | OldParr | i think i erased my boot partition by mistake http://paste.debian.net/161575/ |
| 18:07.23 | babilen | __zero: Or were you thinking about http://packages.debian.org? |
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| 18:08.13 | jelly-home | mcloy: that's merely 12 mails/second average, and a physical server with decent storage setup and and efficient antispam/antivirus can easily do 20-30 mail/s |
| 18:09.08 | OldParr | is there a swap partition missing ? http://paste.debian.net/161575/ |
| 18:09.13 | mcloy | hm |
| 18:09.45 | cantoma | hey guys, in my laptop with debian squeeze suddenly while trying to turn the laptop the bootprocess stops and I am left with a shell to enter commands. During the boot messages, the errors that I could see that might be of interest are posted in here: http://pastebin.com/nX5zHz0R. What sort of commands should help me to solve this issue? |
| 18:10.05 | __zero | babilen: no, it's the snapshot one |
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| 18:11.13 | val__ | Hi guys, I am new to Linux and trying to set a background on my laptop,. When I click on background icon in System Tools, it doesnt'n respond and the whole System Tools Window freezes. |
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| 18:13.42 | Hans_Henrik | in ubuntu servers in ssh when i press the up-arrow button, i get the last command i wrote in the console (and up again for the 2'th and so on), any way to get this behavior in debian 6 ssh as well? |
| 18:14.20 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: that is bash specific methinks |
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| 18:14.55 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: check the shell - dash? |
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| 18:15.39 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: i dont know how to check |
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| 18:16.27 | Hans_Henrik | (connected on ssh via putty if that makes a difference) |
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| 18:17.06 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: env | grep -i shell |
| 18:17.30 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: which shell is it? |
| 18:17.32 | Hans_Henrik | SHELL=/bin/sh |
| 18:17.36 | fignew | val__: What graphical environment are you using? |
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| 18:17.43 | ompaul | ls -l /bin/sh |
| 18:17.56 | Hans_Henrik | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 31 16:24 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 18:18.01 | ompaul | as predicted |
| 18:18.11 | ompaul | type bash |
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| 18:18.22 | ompaul | have you got bash installed? |
| 18:18.51 | Iridos | looks like someone tried a kinda minimal install and now wonders why stuff aint very comfortable :) |
| 18:19.07 | ompaul | Iridos: possible |
| 18:19.17 | val__ | fignew, I have Gnome |
| 18:19.30 | ompaul | I'd say that like it was a bad thing ;-) |
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| 18:19.37 | ompaul | note the smiley |
| 18:19.42 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: Yes it seems i got bash installed; after typing bash<enter>, it works :p |
| 18:19.53 | nyingen | yesterday evening, my laptop (of very recent vintage) running wheezy locked up completely and had to be powered off. There are no clues in the syslog...anywhere else I should look? |
| 18:19.54 | Rydekull | Hans_Henrik: chsh -s bash <user> |
| 18:20.01 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: so set it with chsh so you can say /bin/bash |
| 18:20.10 | ompaul | and not have to turn it on every time |
| 18:20.28 | ompaul | Rydekull: I feel we have a user logged in not root (just sayin) |
| 18:20.34 | Hans_Henrik | it said chsh: Warning: bash does not exist |
| 18:20.50 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: type which bash (it's going to be /bin/bash I guess) |
| 18:20.57 | ompaul | which bash <<<<< |
| 18:21.06 | Rydekull | Hans_Henrik: chsh -s /bin/bash <user> |
| 18:21.10 | Rydekull | mutters |
| 18:21.18 | ompaul | me mutters more |
| 18:21.27 | Hans_Henrik | Rydekull: no output now |
| 18:21.40 | Rydekull | ompaul: I have a feeling he is always root, more or less |
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| 18:21.54 | Rydekull | Hans_Henrik: try and login again and see if your problem persists |
| 18:22.03 | babilen | Hans_Henrik: "getend passwd YOURUSER" gives you what? Or rather: Does it have bash? |
| 18:22.14 | babilen | err |
| 18:22.18 | Rydekull | Hans_Henrik: mind you, you have no history yet, if you havnt run bash before |
| 18:22.20 | Hans_Henrik | nope, seems it automatically ... start /bin/bash now |
| 18:22.24 | babilen | Hans_Henrik: "getent passwd YOURUSER" that is |
| 18:22.25 | fignew | val__: try launching gnome-system-tools from the terminal |
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| 18:22.39 | Rydekull | Iridos: I'd rather guess that he has went "useradd" without specifying a shell for the user |
| 18:22.45 | Rydekull | Iridos: or something along those lines |
| 18:22.53 | OldParr | is there a swap partion ? http://paste.debian.net/161575/ |
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| 18:23.02 | Hans_Henrik | babilen: hanshenrik:x:1000:1000::/home/hanshenrik:/bin/bash |
| 18:23.57 | LordDeath | I created a symlink for /usr/share/munin/plugins/fail2ban in /etc/munin/plugins but for some reasons munin doesn't create a graph for this |
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| 18:24.29 | LordDeath | I restarted the munin node and now munin shows me a "hosts blacklisted by fail2ban" category |
| 18:24.35 | LordDeath | but without any graphs |
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| 18:24.47 | LordDeath | did I miss something? |
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| 18:26.03 | ompaul | OldParr: type "free" if the bottom line has a none zero value it's telling you how big swap is |
| 18:26.21 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: so it will work going forward |
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| 18:27.42 | val__ | Hi guys, I am new to Linux and trying to set a desktop background. When I click on Backgroung icon in System Tools, the whole window freezes. I have GNOME. |
| 18:28.10 | Mp5shooter | I just installed debian squeeze inside a virtualbox VM via netinstall iso... whenever I try to traceroute something it returns * * * for all hops |
| 18:28.29 | Mp5shooter | I can ping things just fine and it has internet access and all but for some reason traceroute isn't working |
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| 18:28.59 | OldParr | ompaul: there was a free space on the extended linux partiton, i created a linux-swap type partiton with that free space, how do i make it work ? |
| 18:29.16 | LtL | val__: it's system → preferences → appearance = backround |
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| 18:29.57 | ompaul | OldParr: swapon -U uuid if it's on a uuid |
| 18:30.21 | ompaul | OldParr: add it into /etc/fstab to make it available after next reboot |
| 18:30.21 | dispos3 | Is the tracert using icmp? Not sure what is default could be udp |
| 18:30.45 | ompaul | OldParr: add it into /etc/fstab type mount -a |
| 18:30.54 | ompaul | that will mount all partitions from /etc/fstab |
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| 18:31.28 | born2troll | guys alsa is not makeing a sound on my headset and i dont know why... |
| 18:31.35 | ompaul | OldParr: there is no swappartition in there |
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| 18:32.39 | OldParr | ompaul: i created it now http://paste.debian.net/161578/ |
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| 18:33.41 | OldParr | ompaul: i think it exists in fstab because i deleted it by mistake, i am triying now to restore it |
| 18:34.10 | Hans_Henrik | ran a debian 6.0 minimal install, and apt-get update;apt-get upgrade; everything is up-to-date, then apt-get install gnome x11vnc; now on loginscreen, whenever i try to login, i see an error about "cannot update ICEAuthority file", and x11vnc seemingly crash.. the last errors from x11vnc is: caught XIO error: 31/03/2012 18:32:22 deleted 25 tile_row polling images. |
| 18:34.21 | Rydekull | Iridos: you won |
| 18:34.26 | ompaul | OldParr: this is what it should look like /dev/sda6 none swap sw |
| 18:34.29 | Hans_Henrik | i dont care much what vnc server runs there, any idea what i can try to get a working vnc server running? |
| 18:35.07 | val__ | LtL, I have Debian Wheezy and to change the desktop background I go System tools-System Settings-Background. |
| 18:35.28 | LtL | born2troll: using gnome? try right clicking volume control, open volume control, choose 'options' set 'line jack mode' to 'line out' that might work. |
| 18:35.48 | OldParr | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/161579/ |
| 18:36.14 | LtL | val__: then wheezy must be different, in squeeze its in system/prefs/appearance |
| 18:37.18 | Mp5shooter | I just installed debian squeeze inside a virtualbox VM via netinstall iso... whenever I try to traceroute something it returns * * * for all hops |
| 18:37.18 | Mp5shooter | I can ping things just fine and it has internet access and all but for some reason traceroute isn't working |
| 18:37.31 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: firstly I would guess that you don't have a full desktop installed given what you told us, so lets get a fuctional desktop you can make it lighter as time goes by apt-get install tasksel tasksel-data then run it against a full desktop that is the default desktop (full gnome thing as described by debian) then you can go and set things up |
| 18:37.52 | jelly-home | Mp5shooter: what about tcptraceroute? |
| 18:37.57 | val__ | LtL, I think it is different. Any ideas about what I can do ? |
| 18:38.02 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: we don't know what you left out so can't tell you if you should be even looking at vnc yet |
| 18:38.06 | LtL | Mp5shooter: your pings arent being acknowledged |
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| 18:38.33 | LtL | val__: no idea, that's why it's called 'testing', try google |
| 18:38.40 | Mp5shooter | jelly-home, tcptraceroute works |
| 18:38.58 | OldParr | ompaul: once the partition is added to fstab the system begins to use it ? |
| 18:39.18 | ompaul | OldParr: no mount -a and it will if you have set it up right |
| 18:39.24 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: i did apt-get install gnome; and it installed a bunch of packages then.. guess tasksel was 1 of them; tasksel-data is already the newest version. tasksel is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:39.33 | jelly-home | Mp5shooter: and does traceroute work on the host machine? |
| 18:39.56 | Mp5shooter | yes, jelly-home |
| 18:40.03 | jelly-home | blames vbox |
| 18:40.14 | Iridos | Rydekull, I did? What did I win? |
| 18:40.17 | Iridos | dpkg, win me |
| 18:40.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, iridos! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:40.35 | Mp5shooter | grrr |
| 18:40.39 | Hans_Henrik | dpkgg, win me |
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| 18:40.43 | Hans_Henrik | awe x.x |
| 18:40.47 | Hans_Henrik | dpkg, win me |
| 18:40.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, hans_henrik! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:40.49 | Mp5shooter | I wanted to use netselect-apt to get the best mirror |
| 18:40.58 | Mp5shooter | before installing debian on a flash drive ;P |
| 18:40.59 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 18:41.03 | OldParr | ompaul: before i erased i never did mount -a to make system use the swap partiton, is there any way to make the ssystem use it again without making mount -a ? |
| 18:41.06 | Knaldgas | I'm trying to get a Debian Wheezy to netboot. If I tmpfs-mounts /run in fstab the system boots but /run/lock is not existing since /run/lock is created before fstab is mounted. If I do *not* tmpfs-mount the /run, the system will not boot. I could really need some help... |
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| 18:41.21 | jelly-home | Mp5shooter: just use cdn.debian.net and get on with it |
| 18:41.28 | Mp5shooter | o |
| 18:41.29 | Mp5shooter | ok |
| 18:41.43 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: run tasksel install task-gnome-desktop |
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| 18:42.26 | ompaul | OldParr: your question does not parse - before you erased what? |
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| 18:42.39 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: no output (btw i ran it as root) |
| 18:42.56 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: it returned nothing? |
| 18:43.09 | OldParr | ompul: i erased the swap partition by mistake before we have this conversation |
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| 18:43.49 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: it did not produce any output in the console (if it technically had any return value or not, idk) |
| 18:44.24 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: then maybe you have all the stuff you need and which vnc did you install? |
| 18:44.24 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: the return value can be check with "echo $?" right after the command has finished |
| 18:44.28 | OldParr | ompaul: now i created again that swap partiton, i also added it to /etc/fstab |
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| 18:45.03 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: its called x11vnc but ill try any vnc server at this point |
| 18:45.27 | OldParr | ompaul: now i want the system to use it automatically, without having to make mount -a |
| 18:45.42 | ompaul | OldParr: if it is in /etc/fstab |
| 18:45.46 | Iridos | Hans_Henrik, x11vnc connects to an already existing X session of a graphically logged in user... |
| 18:45.50 | ompaul | OldParr: it should work on next reboot |
| 18:46.01 | ompaul | Iridos: thanks |
| 18:46.10 | OldParr | ompaul: yes of coourse |
| 18:46.17 | Lns | I thought I'd lurk in #windows for a while because it might be funny...but it just ended up being...boring. ;) |
| 18:46.18 | ompaul | OldParr: so reboot to test |
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| 18:47.08 | dispos3 | LtL: u actually answered Mp5 question, but solution was other ; ) why do u think the icmp with low ttl was not replied to on first hop? |
| 18:47.08 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: so this is your guide http://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-administring-machines-using-x11vnc.html#more-139 |
| 18:47.12 | OldParr | ompaul: how do i check if the swap partition is effectively being used ? |
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| 18:47.39 | ompaul | OldParr: you type free |
| 18:47.43 | ompaul | it should display |
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| 18:47.54 | ompaul | on the last line of that |
| 18:48.17 | OldParr | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 18:48.28 | ompaul | OldParr: have you restarted? |
| 18:48.33 | OldParr | no |
| 18:48.39 | OldParr | but i did mount -a |
| 18:48.56 | LtL | dispos3: enlighten me :) seriously! |
| 18:49.06 | ompaul | ah sorry mount -a is for real partitions - do swapon |
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| 18:50.01 | born2troll | LtL, i dont even have a sound controler in my panel |
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| 18:50.17 | OldParr | swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=d8317a67-842e-425c-a1d8-598f359118f2 |
| 18:50.28 | ompaul | OldParr: so question |
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| 18:50.44 | ompaul | why did you tell me it was /dev/sda6 |
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| 18:50.55 | LtL | born2troll: no volume icon? right click on the menu bar, try adding it |
| 18:51.29 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul: yeah i got x11vnc up and running (as root); when i log into the vnc, im presented with a login-screen that ask me what user i want to log in as. when i try to login as any user, the login screen gives me error "cannot update ICEAuthority file", and x11vnc seemingly crash. |
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| 18:51.44 | mcloy | jelly-home, babilen i have tried it on a different server too. it says sent but i dont get any mail?? what can be the reason . |
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| 18:51.50 | born2troll | LtL, okey got one |
| 18:51.54 | LordDeath | when I run "munin-node-configure --suggest" it teels me that it doesn't recommend enabling the fail2ban plugin because "fail2ban-server does not respond to ping" |
| 18:52.08 | LtL | born2troll: snoop around in there |
| 18:52.24 | OldParr | ompaul:it is sda6 ---> http://paste.debian.net/161581/ |
| 18:52.31 | ompaul | Hans_Henrik: did you read the comment by Iridos? please go back a little |
| 18:52.45 | ompaul | OldParr: and your /etc/fstab pastebin that |
| 18:52.51 | LordDeath | do I need to configure this munin plugin? |
| 18:52.57 | born2troll | LtL, there is 1 checkbox for my headset and it does no difference if it is checked or not -.- |
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| 18:53.07 | n0yd | Hey guys, I could use some help with ATI 3d acceleration. I have no ATI experience, only nvida and intel. LSPCI is :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] |
| 18:53.20 | n0yd | From what ive read I need fglrx |
| 18:53.28 | dispos3 | LtL: sorry wrong word order, i was actually asking. I guess virt box doesnt like low ttl on icmp. Yr thoughts? |
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| 18:53.34 | kevlarman | n0yd: that is far too old to be supported by fglrx |
| 18:53.36 | jelly-home | mcloy: sorry? |
| 18:53.45 | kevlarman | n0yd: use radeon (xf86-video-ati) |
| 18:53.46 | Hans_Henrik | [20:42] <Iridos> Hans_Henrik, x11vnc connects to an already existing X session of a graphically logged in user... |
| 18:53.52 | n0yd | kevlarman, not according to wiki for squeeze |
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| 18:54.04 | thomaschaaf | Hello I am trying to set the pairwise of wpa_supplicant with: "wpa_cli set_network 0 pairwise TKIP CCMP" but I get Invalid SET_NETWORK command: needs three arguments I have tried surrounding TKIP CCMP with " and ' and "' and '" |
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| 18:54.15 | n0yd | AtiHowTo |
| 18:54.19 | n0yd | woops |
| 18:54.19 | OldParr | ompaul fstab http://paste.debian.net/161582/ |
| 18:54.21 | kevlarman | n0yd: r200 is ancient |
| 18:54.25 | mcloy | jelly-home, i was tolkinga bout the sendmail |
| 18:54.32 | n0yd | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Supported_Cards |
| 18:54.38 | jelly-home | n0yd: that card is too old for fglrx, and the free drivers are the best you can bet for it |
| 18:54.39 | n0yd | kevlarman, i know but look at thaqt oage |
| 18:54.52 | n0yd | it says its supported |
| 18:54.59 | ompaul | OldParr: see your other UUID about other swap partition |
| 18:55.11 | ompaul | OldParr: you are replacing one with another |
| 18:55.16 | kevlarman | n0yd: that's definitely wrong |
| 18:55.16 | n0yd | for squeeze it says use propietary cards |
| 18:55.30 | val__ | I have Debian Wheezy and trying to change desktop background. Every time I click on Background icon, it freezes the whole System Settings window. |
| 18:55.30 | Iridos | Hans_Henrik, yeah... you can get it to connect to the gdm login-screen as root if you get the magic cookie, I think - but everything you do via VNC will be visible on the real connected monitor |
| 18:55.36 | ompaul | OldParr: then you got a problem you want to get the UUID for /dev/sda OK? |
| 18:55.39 | kevlarman | n0yd: there was no version of fglrx that supported both r200 and r700 |
| 18:55.49 | jelly-home | n0yd: nope, you use free drivers for R200. Might need non-free firmware, but the drivers are free. |
| 18:56.10 | LtL | born2troll: any preferences in volume options, enable some, make sure it's using intel alsa mixer |
| 18:56.11 | Hans_Henrik | Iridos: thats not a problem; (i dont think a monitor is connected to the computer anyway though) |
| 18:56.21 | OldParr | ompaul: well, i need to study UUID |
| 18:56.28 | born2troll | Ltl intel alsa mixer? |
| 18:56.38 | n0yd | well, i searched app foir fglrx,m and got xserver-xorg-video-radeon - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver |
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| 18:56.44 | LtL | dispos3: with vbox, i'm not sure, use tcptraceroute |
| 18:56.58 | n0yd | So what driver do i want, and where? |
| 18:57.00 | LtL | born2troll: yes alsa mixer |
| 18:57.01 | ompaul | OldParr: >> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid << |
| 18:57.25 | Iridos | Hans_Henrik, well.. it's also easier to run a vnc server that's separated from the actual existing graphics on the monitor... but well, whatever works for you |
| 18:57.33 | born2troll | LtL, nope... not a option in alsa-mixer |
| 18:57.33 | kevlarman | n0yd: you want radeon |
| 18:57.33 | n0yd | i just want basic 3d accell, for maybe cinnamon desktop or something |
| 18:57.35 | n0yd | so remove that one i paste abive/ |
| 18:57.52 | Hans_Henrik | Iridos: currently its not working for me. im trying to find something that can work for me. any ideas? |
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| 18:58.13 | jelly-home | n0yd: verify that packages: xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri are installed, and install firmware-linux-nonfree as wel |
| 18:58.54 | born2troll | LtL, nope... not a option in alsa-mixer |
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| 18:59.04 | Iridos | Hans_Henrik, I haven't followed the conversation so far... but on general lines there's http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer and... |
| 18:59.07 | Iridos | dpkg, tightvnc |
| 18:59.07 | dpkg | TightVNC is an enhanced version of <VNC> optimized for low-bandwidth (e.g. dial-up modem) connections. Packaged for Debian as tightvncserver and xtightvncviewer. http://tightvnc.com/faq.php http://tightvnc.com/freesupport.html |
| 18:59.14 | OldParr | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid ---> http://paste.debian.net/161583/ |
| 18:59.16 | LtL | born2troll: it does show alsa correct |
| 18:59.26 | jelly-home | !tell n0yd about non-free sources |
| 18:59.30 | jelly-home | !tell n0yd about radeon firmware |
| 18:59.49 | OldParr | 427d4618-d8f2-44e8-b3bd-746d31282e78 |
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| 19:00.17 | val__ | Anyone knows Debian Wheezy? |
| 19:01.07 | somiaj | val__: ask your actual question. |
| 19:01.08 | born2troll | LtL, i dont know what to say |
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| 19:01.26 | somiaj | val__: note #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is a support chan for wheezy/sid. |
| 19:01.36 | Iridos | Hans_Henrik, you need to configure a password for the server - start it on the remote host... see what it says what vnc display it offers (:0 or :1), then connect with a vnc client with something like vncviewer remotehost:0 (for added security you can also tunnel the vnc session via ssh portforwarding) |
| 19:01.57 | LtL | born2troll: does sound work at all |
| 19:02.09 | LordDeath | I think this worked: http://munin-monitoring.org/changeset/4781 |
| 19:02.30 | ompaul | OldParr: you have an exiting entry for swap - that number should be in there and drop the one you don't want anymore |
| 19:02.36 | born2troll | LtL, i can select the headset in this fancy "multimedia sound selector" and hear it. everything else => no |
| 19:03.01 | LtL | born2troll: are you running squeeze or wheezy |
| 19:03.05 | LordDeath | I added these 2 lines into my /etc/munin/plugin-conf.d/munin-node |
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| 19:03.25 | ompaul | OldParr: s/exiting/existing/ |
| 19:03.26 | Iridos | Hans_Henrik, depending on configuration the sever can also just provide the service on the loopback interface - that means it can only be accessed from localhost (i.e. the machine itself, not from outside) - with that configuration you have to do ssh portforwarding |
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| 19:03.40 | born2troll | LtL, squeeze... it does not work on default in that sound selector... i have to turn it on usb audio |
| 19:03.58 | val__ | somiaj, I am kind of new to linux and trying to change desktop background. When I click on Background Icon in System Settings under System Utilities Application, the whole System Settings window freezes. |
| 19:05.29 | LtL | born2troll: hrm, run 'alsactl init' as root, check sysyem → preferences → sound. check in there to enable everything, make sure sound isn't muted, install alsamixergui |
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| 19:05.52 | somiaj | val__: if you are new to linux (and also debian) you shouldn't be running testing software. It could be a bug (Check the bts). |
| 19:09.02 | born2troll | LtL, lol if i disable the checkbox my headset starts blinking! |
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| 19:09.32 | OldParr | ompaul: to replace /dev/sda6 with UUID=427d4618-d8f2-44e8-b3bd-746d31282e78 in fstab ? |
| 19:09.37 | ompaul | yes |
| 19:09.41 | LtL | born2troll: checkbox for what? |
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| 19:10.01 | ompaul | OldParr: BUT you must get rid of the existing swap in there |
| 19:10.07 | LtL | born2troll: are you using usb speakers |
| 19:10.11 | born2troll | LtL, the only checkbox i have in the soundoptions... still no progress... |
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| 19:10.56 | LtL | born2troll: is there a preferences in sound options |
| 19:12.04 | born2troll | LtL, yes... i can turn the window with the one checkbox off... |
| 19:12.08 | LtL | born2troll: i have to go, bbl, look around this site, and good luck, http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA just keep asking |
| 19:12.35 | ompaul | OldParr: basically you don't want two entries in there |
| 19:12.45 | born2troll | guys i cant get the sound with alsa working on my headset. what to do? |
| 19:13.25 | ompaul | born2troll: have you any bpo stuff in there or multimedia.debian? |
| 19:13.46 | babilen | born2troll: What kind of headset is it? |
| 19:14.05 | OldParr | ompaul: yes , just to replace the device name with UUID= 427d4618-d8f2-44e8-b3bd-746d31282e78 |
| 19:15.06 | born2troll | babilen, razer megaldon |
| 19:15.20 | born2troll | babilen, http://www2.razerzone.com/Megalodon/ <-this one |
| 19:15.45 | babilen | born2troll: Is that a USB headset? |
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| 19:16.51 | born2troll | babilen, yes... if i choose "usb audio" in the multimedia sound selector i even can hear the beep but on default it does not do a thing (as well as in all other programs= |
| 19:16.55 | born2troll | *) |
| 19:17.05 | babilen | !tell born2troll -about default alsa |
| 19:17.39 | babilen | born2troll: It should work more or less flawlessly with pulseaudio though -- IIRC you've just removed it. Did you have problems with the headset before? |
| 19:18.21 | born2troll | babilen, i just uninstalled pulseaudio because it had bugs... btw ur factoid is bronken http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 does not exist |
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| 19:18.34 | babilen | born2troll: I guess that the problem is that the USB headset is *not* the default ALSA device. It is tricky to get that configured correctly as it will not always be plugged in. |
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| 19:18.42 | babilen | born2troll: I'll fix the factoid in a second, ta |
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| 19:19.11 | doughj3 | I'm trying to install php5 (and eventually the apache module) but I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/P1GM97jE |
| 19:19.32 | born2troll | babilen, i dont care about the factoid xD i like you more than dpkg anyway even her name sounds hotter :P |
| 19:19.43 | babilen | born2troll: I would suggest to play with aplay and speaker-test (read its man page! It explains how to set the output device) -- A good ALSA configuration that works well with *and* without your headset will be tricky to come up with. Did it work with PA? What about dmix? |
| 19:19.48 | doughj3 | I've tried googling but can't seem to find anything relevant |
| 19:20.20 | born2troll | babilen, what? :o |
| 19:20.30 | babilen | born2troll: Please try to stay off-topic. I am also not keen to read *any* kind of sexist remark. Thank you. |
| 19:20.46 | OldParr | fstab http://paste.debian.net/161588/ |
| 19:21.09 | babilen | born2troll: Play with speaker-test and verify that it actually *can* work. Then come up with a ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf that sets the USB headset as default. |
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| 19:21.15 | babilen | .. or just use PA |
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| 19:21.32 | born2troll | babilen, i have none of this config files even set =/ |
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| 19:22.09 | babilen | born2troll: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc |
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| 19:22.30 | OldParr | http://paste.debian.net/161589/ |
| 19:22.44 | babilen | born2troll: But play with speaker-test first. (READ "man speaker-test") -- I'd still recommend PA for easier handling of this. |
| 19:23.06 | n0yd | 'whats the difference between xserver-xorg-video-radeon - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver and xserver-xorg-video-radeon? |
| 19:23.20 | born2troll | babilen, hang on! i got an ideal |
| 19:24.27 | born2troll | babilen, alsasink device="hw:2.0" should work but i am not sure what of that stuff i have to write in the config... |
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| 19:26.47 | n0yd | arghm this guide says i need libgli-mesa-dri, its not valid. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Configuring_the_kernel |
| 19:27.05 | OldParr | ompaul: swapon -a gives no errors |
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| 19:27.14 | n0yd | Basically i just want basic 3d accelkl on the firegl200 radeon junker |
| 19:27.39 | n0yd | So i could run basic gl games or cinnamon or something |
| 19:27.43 | ompaul | OldParr: you now have 2 swap partitions |
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| 19:28.19 | ompaul | OldParr: remove the old one from /etc/fstab |
| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | n0yd: libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 19:29.02 | jelly-home | n0yd: it's probably installed already |
| 19:29.37 | n0yd | ok |
| 19:29.53 | n0yd | it was, so now just add radxeon section to xorg.conf |
| 19:30.00 | n0yd | and i should be good to go, right? |
| 19:30.01 | jelly-home | n0yd: don't touch xorg.conf |
| 19:30.12 | n0yd | where should i put it? |
| 19:30.15 | n0yd | its been ages |
| 19:30.18 | jelly-home | you don't need xorg.conf at all |
| 19:30.24 | n0yd | oh right |
| 19:30.29 | n0yd | it auto detects |
| 19:30.52 | n0yd | well lemme restart X |
| 19:31.01 | jelly-home | n0yd: if you installed the firmware package and rebooted, you ought to be set. But don't expect too much out of a R200 chip. |
| 19:31.02 | n0yd | brb, cause i dont have screen and irssi setup |
| 19:31.15 | n0yd | this is just my temp machine til my thinkpad showsup |
| 19:31.41 | n0yd | ya i insytalled the nonfree frimware pkg |
| 19:31.44 | OldParr | ompaul: yes i removed the old one, now free shows ---> Swap: 1888248 0 1888248 |
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| 19:31.57 | ompaul | good |
| 19:32.07 | ompaul | OldParr: so it is ready to be used if needed |
| 19:32.10 | OldParr | ompaul: thanks |
| 19:32.40 | born2troll | babilen, lol i dont even find test.wav |
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| 19:34.38 | n0yd | meh good enough, 583fps glxgears |
| 19:34.42 | n0yd | good enough |
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| 19:36.02 | born2troll | babilen, it works! i did it! thx for the help! you are still the king of the nerds! |
| 19:36.17 | kevlarman | n0yd: glxears is not a very good benchmark |
| 19:36.26 | n0yd | i know |
| 19:36.32 | n0yd | but at least it works |
| 19:36.34 | kevlarman | n0yd: for reference, my cpu gets ~8k fps, my gpu gets 23k |
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| 19:36.51 | OldParr | in debian wiki there is a link to a software called rescatux is it trusted by debian community ? |
| 19:36.53 | n0yd | my thinkpad will be here soon, thius things goes in the trash |
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| 19:37.19 | kevlarman | n0yd: iirc r200 should get on the order of 2000fps in hardware with open source drivers |
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| 19:38.39 | n0yd | well its not |
| 19:38.48 | n0yd | in what benchmark? |
| 19:39.39 | kevlarman | n0yd: glxgears |
| 19:40.01 | n0yd | meh |
| 19:40.03 | kevlarman | i had 2 r200 cards a few years ago |
| 19:40.13 | n0yd | how can i tell what driuver its using |
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| 19:40.26 | kevlarman | glxinfo |
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| 19:40.36 | n0yd | this thing is only a 1.5Pentium-m with 1gb of ddr |
| 19:40.52 | kevlarman | yeah that's roughly what my laptop was |
| 19:40.58 | kevlarman | it got 3k fps |
| 19:41.11 | valdyn | pentium-M, 1.5ghz, ati radeon 8500 ~ 1700hz glxgears |
| 19:41.28 | n0yd | hmmm |
| 19:41.37 | n0yd | glxgears spews lots of shit |
| 19:41.43 | n0yd | i dont see a driver |
| 19:42.03 | n0yd | grep radeon for nothing |
| 19:42.35 | valdyn | n0yd: glxinfo | grep -i renderer |
| 19:43.32 | n0yd | shit i had Removing xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 19:43.34 | n0yd | also |
| 19:43.38 | n0yd | lemme restart x |
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| 19:43.55 | evilaim | hey, I'm having a weird issue.. |
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| 19:44.05 | evilaim | I go to my site, it his index.php and downloads it... |
| 19:44.07 | evilaim | BUT! |
| 19:44.15 | evilaim | I got to wp-index.php and it works:) |
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| 19:44.23 | evilaim | so php is installed... |
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| 19:45.39 | n0yd | ok im on radeon only for sure |
| 19:46.11 | n0yd | ty ? |
| 19:46.11 | n0yd | <n0yd> my thinkpad will be here soon, thius things goes in the trash |
| 19:46.15 | n0yd | hmm |
| 19:46.28 | n0yd | 119fps gears |
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| 19:48.03 | n0yd | any ideas? |
| 19:49.08 | Iridos | dpkg, any ideas |
| 19:49.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:49.20 | n0yd | lol |
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| 19:49.41 | n0yd | im about to throw this toughbox out and wait for my beloved thinkbook |
| 19:49.55 | n0yd | the tougbook is the worst linux book ive used over the years' |
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| 19:52.22 | evilaim | wtf |
| 19:52.22 | evilaim | gar |
| 19:52.28 | evilaim | this is getting annoying |
| 19:52.29 | evilaim | haha |
| 19:53.25 | ompaul | OldParr: don't know tbh |
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| 19:53.32 | ompaul | !enter |
| 19:53.32 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:55.13 | hagbard | Howdy, so, at some time today a patch for libssl1.0.0 was uploaded to unstable for a new version of libssl1.0.0-1.0.1-3. http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssl.html still shows 1.0.1-2 as the latest unstable despite showing 1.0.1-3 and 1.0.1-4 under "news". Where would I find a built or source version of 1.0.1-3? |
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| 19:56.00 | Daskreech | Hello |
| 19:56.13 | Daskreech | are there any metapackages for acomputer state? |
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| 19:56.37 | Daskreech | Somewhat like ubuntu's -desktop or -minimal packages? |
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| 19:57.34 | jelly-home | hagbard: if you really can't wait until they hit the mirrors, you can try take a look at http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 19:59.09 | meandrain | hi |
| 19:59.10 | meandrain | I'm trying to boot a linux on ThinkPad T61 and at boot is freezed after: Starting CUPS printing spooler/server |
| 19:59.13 | hagbard | jelly-home: Thank you. I will look there. You're right, I could wait, but it's really crimping my style - it causes ssh/sshd to segfault. I guess I should just downgrade to the older version. |
| 19:59.15 | meandrain | any idea why? |
| 19:59.48 | hagbard | meandrain: yes, failing DNS lookup. How much time do you give the machine before giving up? Can you leave it trying to boot for 5 minutes? |
| 20:00.02 | jelly-home | hagbard: I guess you'll be looking for -4 then, which probably fixes stuff, having been uploaded so fast after -3 |
| 20:00.33 | meandrain | hagbard: I'll try, but as I remember it was in that state for 10 minutes |
| 20:00.44 | meandrain | what service starts after cups at boot? |
| 20:00.47 | hagbard | jelly-home: actually, according to the changelogs, the fix I need is in -3. -4 has the upstream fix. |
| 20:01.17 | hagbard | jelly-home: and incoming has a copy of -3! thank you! |
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| 20:02.27 | Daskreech | meandrain: disable cups? |
| 20:03.20 | meandrain | the message said: starting cups [ok] |
| 20:03.29 | meandrain | so it might be something after cups? |
| 20:03.40 | hagbard | jelly-home: fantastic. Again, thank you very much for your answer. |
| 20:03.44 | jelly-home | hagbard: it has a copy of both, but you'd have to build -4 for any arch other than amd64 yourself |
| 20:03.55 | Daskreech | might be. Would depend on your setup |
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| 20:04.35 | Daskreech | jelly-home: does debian have any state metapackages? |
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| 20:05.47 | fosstux | Hi! Any OTRS specialists around? |
| 20:06.29 | fosstux | I'd like to set up the web based OTRS as https://support.fosstux-it.at - but how???? |
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| 20:08.30 | jelly-home | Daskreech: what do you mean by "state" |
| 20:08.44 | born2troll | guys the sound is working now but still has poor quality... how could i improve that? |
| 20:08.54 | Daskreech | If you would like the computer to be a lamp server |
| 20:09.01 | Daskreech | or a desktop computer |
| 20:09.31 | Daskreech | jelly-home: When you are installing debian it gives you a list of roles the computer can play. Are there metapackages for those roles? |
| 20:09.40 | jelly-home | Daskreech: yeah. /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 20:09.52 | Daskreech | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 20:09.59 | ompaul | Daskreech: they are filed under tasksel |
| 20:10.04 | ompaul | ah |
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| 20:10.07 | Daskreech | ompaul: thanks :) |
| 20:10.09 | ompaul | is so slow |
| 20:10.12 | jelly-home | each one of those is basically a single metapackage |
| 20:10.23 | ompaul | ever so slightly large |
| 20:10.24 | jelly-home | !lamp |
| 20:10.24 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 20:12.33 | Daskreech | dpkg: standard task |
| 20:12.33 | dpkg | hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages, see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. |
| 20:12.54 | Daskreech | that ~ at the front of the packagename denotes what? |
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| 20:16.04 | ompaul | Daskreech: reading the message from the bot - perhaps the packages standard required and suggested |
| 20:16.32 | born2troll | guys a view programs (like battle for wesnoth) still dont get sound... what could be the cause? |
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| 20:17.08 | jelly-home | Daskreech: it's not a package name. "~p something" is aptitude's syntax for "packages with Priority value of something" |
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| 20:19.37 | Daskreech | jelly-home: Ah! |
| 20:20.05 | born2troll | guys a view programs (like battle for wesnoth) still dont get sound... what could be the cause? |
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| 20:22.01 | Daskreech | ok let me reboot and see if I get back a readable console now |
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| 20:22.57 | meandrain | I've disabled CUPS, now it stops after: "*Starting network connection manager [ok]" |
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| 20:26.16 | kichawa | hi folks |
| 20:26.50 | kichawa | when the packages from repo have build ? |
| 20:26.52 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull tremon jelly-home i am able to boot and see the screen. here is the problem when it boots http://s13.postimage.org/hcvcxsat1/boot.png http://s17.postimage.org/asnh6sdzx/boot2.png this is why i cannot access it on normal boot |
| 20:27.10 | kichawa | where can i find that kind of information ? |
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| 20:27.39 | born2troll | guys a view programs (like battle for wesnoth) still dont get sound... what could be the cause? |
| 20:27.56 | OldParr | can i burn a .img file with wodim ? |
| 20:28.59 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: the kernel already suggests you how to fix the root= parameter, use /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/sda1 |
| 20:29.00 | kichawa | born2troll: settings in alsa ? |
| 20:29.06 | mcloy | iam using sendmail and php to send email. but its not sending up. i have allowed port 25 for 0.0.0.0/0 but its not sending any emails. http://pastebin.com/M6kKLVtZ need help . how can i check and make sendmail working? |
| 20:29.28 | guardian | hey guys, in shell i'm doing VAR=$(ls | tee /dev/tty) to capture stdout to variable while keeping it on screen, is there a way to do this without requiring tee? |
| 20:29.34 | tremon | HeXiLeD: "cannot open root device sda1; please append correct root= option; here are the available partitions: hda hda1 hda2" |
| 20:29.41 | tremon | thx jelly-home :) |
| 20:29.51 | born2troll | kichawa, good idea! how to get them? :P |
| 20:29.52 | HeXiLeD | the kernel also says to be 32bit |
| 20:29.56 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: notice that it's still booting your provider's kernels, not Debian's |
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| 20:30.03 | HeXiLeD | ya |
| 20:30.35 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: so investigate how to boot the correct kernel and how to give it boot params |
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| 20:32.40 | kichawa | born2troll: or add your user to audio group |
| 20:33.44 | born2troll | kichawa, yes i checked |
| 20:34.11 | born2troll | kichawa, most things work (still in poor quality) but some like wesnoth dont =/ |
| 20:34.55 | kichawa | any log ? |
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| 20:35.35 | kallisti | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 20:35.41 | kallisti | any idea what I should do about this? |
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| 20:35.50 | dvs | kallisti: read the web page |
| 20:36.05 | mcloy | how can i know that sendmail installed is working and will send mails (i have a phpscript that says it send mails. but actually i never recieve the mail in my inbox) ? |
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| 20:36.38 | born2troll | kichawa, where? tell me where and i send you the paste |
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| 20:38.09 | jkyle | I'm adding an apt repo to my sources. their doc provides a gpg key that must be fetched via apt-key. The doc must be out fo date as the key doesn't exist, is there a way for me to determine the new key? |
| 20:38.26 | jkyle | e.g. this is what their docs recommend: apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv F87CBDE0 |
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| 20:38.51 | Naeblis | what are 'Debian build services?' |
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| 20:40.24 | born2troll | guys how to unload oss moduls? |
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| 20:40.38 | jelly-home | kallisti: install debian-multimedia-keyring, first, as http://debian-multimedia.org/ suggests |
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| 20:43.13 | kallisti | jelly-home: I figured it out. Thanks. |
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| 20:47.55 | Daskreech | When X starts the keyboard and mouse die |
| 20:47.57 | born2troll | someone can help me with that * sound... i dont know whats wrong... |
| 20:47.59 | Daskreech | what would cause that? |
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| 20:48.48 | born2troll | Daskreech, probably ur /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 20:50.48 | Daskreech | born2troll: no xorg.conf as far as I know there shouldn't be one |
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| 20:54.40 | kallisti | the wx dev packges on Debian seem to be configured incorrectly |
| 20:54.50 | kallisti | they're missing wx_gtk2u_media-2.8 |
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| 21:03.36 | Daskreech | let me pastebin the X log |
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| 21:14.30 | quebre | hi |
| 21:14.34 | quebre | i have proplem |
| 21:14.39 | quebre | configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. |
| 21:14.54 | quebre | but i just installed ia32-libs, what else do i need? |
| 21:15.42 | ompaul | quebre: what are you trying to build it on? |
| 21:15.46 | mcloy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:16.09 | quebre | ompaul: wine 1.4 |
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| 21:16.16 | ompaul | quebre: what are you trying to build it on? |
| 21:16.21 | ompaul | please read the question |
| 21:16.34 | quebre | i don't get the question.. |
| 21:16.38 | ompaul | what system - |
| 21:16.43 | quebre | debian 64bit |
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| 21:19.14 | ompaul | quebre: so I guess you want to use the not debian packages |
| 21:19.22 | quebre | yes |
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| 21:19.43 | quebre | i want to compile it from source code because i made a patch to add one feature |
| 21:19.47 | quebre | so ?... |
| 21:19.48 | ompaul | quebre: this is not supported here http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit and the channel ' |
| 21:19.54 | ompaul | #winehq |
| 21:20.10 | steve | can anyone recommend block-level incrememtal backup software? |
| 21:20.11 | quebre | but it seems to be debian releated that i cannot compile 32bit stuff |
| 21:20.17 | ompaul | #winehq |
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| 21:20.25 | quebre | i think i am missing some package |
| 21:20.28 | ompaul | that web page tells you more |
| 21:20.33 | quebre | are you able to tell me which package i need ? :p |
| 21:20.56 | ompaul | most likely but I will use the mantra of wine is not supported here unless you can apt-get it |
| 21:20.57 | Iridos | not me. I run 32bit |
| 21:20.59 | mcloy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.14 | ompaul | (apt-get install build-essential) |
| 21:22.41 | Daskreech | Figured it out. I didn't have linux-image installed |
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| 21:30.36 | Rix | -=00:28:13=- CaMPaRi [~unix@c-2ec21542-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has just joined #veselba |
| 21:30.40 | Rix | uf |
| 21:31.05 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# ls -l | grep index.html |
| 21:31.07 | Rix | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 251 Feb 28 18:28 index.html |
| 21:31.09 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# chmod o-x index.html -v |
| 21:31.11 | Rix | mode of `index.html' changed to 0754 (rwxr-xr--) |
| 21:31.13 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# ls -l | grep index.html |
| 21:31.15 | Rix | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 251 Feb 28 18:28 index.html |
| 21:31.28 | Rix | can someone explain why, thanks in advance |
| 21:31.33 | Rix | sorry for not using pastebin |
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| 21:32.09 | tremon | Rix: what filesystem? |
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| 21:32.40 | Rix | sd card, i think not ext :( |
| 21:32.55 | tremon | Rix: I'm guessing it's fat |
| 21:32.57 | Rix | fat32 |
| 21:33.10 | tremon | fat32 has no support for permissions |
| 21:33.20 | mcloy | iam having the following error. what is wrong with sendmail? Mar 31 21:30:41 ip-10-111-31-180 sendmail[24639]: q2VLUfa6024639: from=www-data, size=274, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<201203312130.q2VLUfa6024639@ip-10-111-31-180.ec2.internal>, relay=www-data@localhost |
| 21:33.21 | mcloy | Mar 31 21:30:41 ip-10-111-31-180 sendmail[24639]: q2VLUfa6024639: to=ab159ab@hotmail.com, ctladdr=www-data (33/33), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30274, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] |
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| 21:34.33 | Rix | tremon i know but is there a way to mount it with permissions by default (for example 755 for dirs and 644 for files) i dont want to change them if they have the correct perms on mount |
| 21:34.50 | quebre | X 32-bit development files not found. |
| 21:34.57 | quebre | how do i install these packages ? |
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| 21:35.37 | tremon | Rix: man mount, you want uid, gid, umask and dmask |
| 21:35.49 | Rix | thanks a lot! |
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| 21:37.09 | Achylles | how do I install gnome-shell-extensions? When I try to install it synaptic says that is going to remove gnome3 and other basic package |
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| 21:37.39 | kallisti | has anyone else had trouble with missing wx libraries when trying to install various wx language bindings? |
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| 21:48.14 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 21:48.23 | DelphiWorld | if i purge apache2 using dpkg -P apacheE |
| 21:48.25 | DelphiWorld | if i purge apache2 using dpkg -P apache2 |
| 21:48.31 | DelphiWorld | the configuration is still provided |
| 21:48.36 | DelphiWorld | how can i totaly purge it ? |
| 21:49.05 | DelphiWorld | i loved the config away and reinstalled apache but is still not ofering it during install |
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| 21:49.31 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: find out which packages use /etc/apache2 directory, and purge them all. |
| 21:49.35 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: dpkg -S /etc/apache2 |
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| 21:50.34 | DelphiWorld | you rocks jelly-home |
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| 21:50.36 | DelphiWorld | let me try |
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| 21:51.00 | jelly-home | blah, don't say I rock before verifying I haven't fed you garbage advice |
| 21:51.10 | adrian15 | Rydekull: Hi. Not sure if it was you who tried to solve my route doubts before. Well, I've managed to write a complete explanation of what I want to do. If you could take a look and tell me what do you think. Basically if I need special route commands, basic ones or if I am asking an impossible setup. http://paste.debian.net/161610/ . Thank you. |
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| 21:53.48 | Rix | rix@debian:~$ xset dpms force off |
| 21:53.50 | Rix | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 21:53.59 | Rix | maybe i must specify the display? |
| 21:55.08 | tremon | adrian15: first problem: your default gateway must be reachable in the subnet you declare. a /32 netmask is very much not useful |
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| 21:55.27 | tremon | Rix: you do if you're not running the commands from within X |
| 21:55.46 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: i purged apache2 but all others fail to purge |
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| 21:56.49 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: how do they fail? |
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| 21:58.28 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: like is complaining about apache2 mpm prefork |
| 21:58.31 | DelphiWorld | is not installed |
| 21:58.33 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: show the output on apastebin site. |
| 21:58.37 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 21:58.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 21:59.01 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: include the complete command you used, please |
| 21:59.06 | HeXiLeD | Rydekull tremon jelly-home one thing is for sure... the box never boots my/debin kernel. boots theirs. i submitted a ticket , they say that will be working on it. they have rebooted the box a couple times for me to use in rescue ... wtf?! .. anyway.. i am going to give them some time and see what happens. their system is not updating with what the box does. |
| 21:59.10 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: sure... |
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| 22:01.06 | hotwings | im not sure if this is a debian issue or what but my snd-hda-intel module is not loading when i boot the pc. the module isnt blacklisted and the only thing i have related to it is "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack-dig" in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf... i can modprobe it just fine, it just isnt loading on boot.. any ideas? |
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| 22:02.05 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/161612/ |
| 22:02.35 | DelphiWorld | hotwings: i think my pc use it |
| 22:03.32 | DelphiWorld | debhelper: purge |
| 22:03.41 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: purge |
| 22:03.42 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 22:03.53 | hotwings | DelphiWorld - huh? |
| 22:04.02 | DelphiWorld | hotwings: i mean my pc use this codec |
| 22:04.17 | DelphiWorld | hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0xe (ctl = LFE Playback Volume) |
| 22:04.17 | DelphiWorld | hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0xc (ctl = Front Playback Volume) |
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| 22:05.04 | hotwings | ok.. im not sure what that has to do with my problem though..? |
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| 22:05.26 | DelphiWorld | hotwings: LOL. i mean i don't have any issue at all with it |
| 22:05.35 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: right, so purge apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common via dpkg, at the same time |
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| 22:06.38 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: use apt-get or aptitude to see if you want to purge the remaining two: aptitude -s purge libapache2-mod-dnssd libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:07.04 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: ok, but still fail... some other packages use it |
| 22:07.22 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: are you planning to reinstall it afterwards? |
| 22:07.42 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: yeah... |
| 22:08.20 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: if you are, you may tell dpkg it's okay to break dependencies just this once: dpkg --force-depends -P apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common |
| 22:09.06 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: do "apt-get -f install" afterwards, to fix the breakage and install stuff back |
| 22:10.28 | DelphiWorld | done jelly-home :) |
| 22:10.32 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: thank you a lot buddy |
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| 22:11.17 | DelphiWorld | trying to enable ssl right now do you know how, jelly-home ? |
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| 22:13.54 | khem_ | anyone runnin gXen under Debian, I need to know what TOOLSTACK= should be set to in /etc/defaukt/xen ? |
| 22:14.02 | DelphiWorld | crap |
| 22:14.07 | DelphiWorld | configuration is still not purged |
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| 22:17.26 | adrian15 | Rydekull and maybe others. I'm sorry. I had a problem with video card and I couldn't see if you had replied or not. |
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| 22:19.00 | jelly-home | !tell DelphiWorld about confmiss |
| 22:19.42 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: done allready, conf is back;) |
| 22:19.48 | DelphiWorld | now i'm looking how do i enable ssl |
| 22:20.49 | jelly-home | !tell DelphiWorld about apache manual |
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| 22:20.54 | jelly-home | !tell DelphiWorld about a2enmod |
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| 22:21.04 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: :P |
| 22:21.40 | jelly-home | pulls at DelphiWorld's P |
| 22:22.19 | DelphiWorld | done jelly-home :P |
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| 22:23.20 | khem_ | update-rc.d: warning: ssh start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) |
| 22:23.24 | khem_ | what is this? |
| 22:24.11 | haole | i'm getting an error like this when build a debian package: dh: Unknown sequence cleanbuilddir (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install) |
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| 22:24.29 | haole | what is wrong? |
| 22:24.48 | joar | why does it take a day or two for bug reports to hit the tracker? |
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| 22:28.09 | guardian | in openssh, what defines the content of a match block? line starting by tabs? something else? |
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| 22:29.10 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: at the very least read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:29.30 | luckz | how do I check whether updating a specific package will restart the service it provides? |
| 22:29.34 | DelphiWorld | jepthat was i'm doing right now:D |
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| 22:30.39 | khem_ | WARNING: could not determine runlevel - doing soft reboot |
| 22:30.52 | khem_ | i get this on a xen enabled kernel, any idea? |
| 22:31.00 | khem_ | /j #d#xen |
| 22:31.04 | khem_ | sorry |
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| 22:36.45 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: thank you a lot buddy you helped me much |
| 22:39.40 | jelly-home | .o/ |
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| 22:40.04 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: :) |
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| 23:21.47 | brotatos | what's the commnd to figure out my public IP on my network? |
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| 23:22.52 | LtL | brotatos: goto whatsmyip.com |
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| 23:25.36 | Rapid2214 | Brontatos: You can also use #wget -qO- ifconfig.me/ip |
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| 23:27.16 | LtL | Rapid2214: nice |
| 23:27.53 | brotatos | How do I figure out my router's ip? |
| 23:28.11 | Rapid2214 | Brontatos: It will probably be your gateway |
| 23:28.16 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home i am going to try do downgrade the kernel to match what the provider has set . currently i have 2.6.32-5 active and they use -2.6.32.2. i never did play with this stuff on debian. any pointers ? how do i force the downgrade if it is even available for squeeze |
| 23:28.38 | LtL | brotatos: try 'route' should be your gateway also |
| 23:28.57 | Rapid2214 | LtL: I was just typing that :D |
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| 23:29.52 | brotatos | LtL: don't have that command |
| 23:30.26 | brotatos | i can't seem to ssh into my computer |
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| 23:30.39 | brotatos | it says my connection is refused on port 22 |
| 23:30.40 | LtL | brotatos: /sbin/route |
| 23:31.05 | brotatos | LtL: thanks |
| 23:31.15 | brotatos | LtL: do i have to forward my port for ssh? |
| 23:32.09 | Rapid2214 | Brontatos: It's not recommended to all default traffic like that through a router, cause of security, but yes - only if you are trying to connect from externally |
| 23:32.27 | brotatos | Rapid2214: thanks; how would I secure it? |
| 23:32.38 | LtL | brotatos: /bin/netstat -tunap this should be under local address column; 0.0.0.0:22 , and yes on forward if your using nat |
| 23:32.41 | Rapid2214 | Brontatos: You wouldn't do it like that |
| 23:33.18 | Rapid2214 | Brontatos: What is your setup like? There is probably a better way round it |
| 23:33.19 | brotatos | Rapid2214: why are you calling me Brontatos? |
| 23:33.33 | Rapid2214 | Brotatos: Sorry, eyes are tired :D |
| 23:34.29 | LtL | brotatos: a smart thing to do is change the port ssh listens on |
| 23:35.02 | Rapid2214 | LtL: agreed - make it a high number |
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| 23:35.04 | kallisti | so I'm trying to get my laptop to sleep when the lid is closed |
| 23:35.13 | kallisti | and I came across these lines in /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 23:35.22 | LtL | brotatos: then use port forwarding to the box you want on your subnet |
| 23:35.26 | kallisti | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.26 | kallisti | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.46 | Hans_Henrik_ | i need to give php read/write access recursivly to /root/Server/ |
| 23:35.50 | kallisti | 2 questions. 1) what are those x's? 2) where do I set LID_SLEEP so that this script will see it? |
| 23:35.57 | Hans_Henrik_ | how can i do that? |
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| 23:36.17 | kallisti | Hans_Henrik_: run it as root. |
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| 23:36.49 | Hans_Henrik_ | kallisti: i'd rather not. |
| 23:37.06 | Dulak | kallisti: the x negates a boolean logic issue with the non-x way of comparing things in bash |
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| 23:37.31 | kallisti | Dulak: ah I see. |
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| 23:37.51 | kallisti | so this script runs as root right? |
| 23:37.58 | brotatos | LtL: i'm going to change the port after i establish a connection for the very first time |
| 23:38.03 | kallisti | if I change my root .profile with LID_SLEEP = true then it should run pm-suspend, yes? |
| 23:38.13 | kallisti | *LID_SLEEP=true |
| 23:39.45 | LtL | brotatos: uh, that may not work, if it does it will only be for that session. |
| 23:40.07 | brotatos | LtL: what should I do then? |
| 23:40.12 | brotatos | LtL: set the IP static/ |
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| 23:40.42 | LtL | brotatos: what exactly do you want to accomplish |
| 23:41.04 | kallisti | Dulak: ping ^ |
| 23:41.38 | kallisti | oh wait it should be .bashrc |
| 23:41.41 | kallisti | probably |
| 23:41.51 | LtL | brotatos: changing the port keeps tons of port scanner scripts from hacking port 22 |
| 23:42.50 | LtL | brotatos: a static ip is preferred for forwarding if that's what you mean. |
| 23:42.50 | brotatos | LtL: i'll change the port later; for now i just need to configure it so that I can in fact ssh to it |
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| 23:43.37 | brotatos | LtL: now i'm getting this error - port 22: No route to host |
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| 23:43.53 | LtL | brotatos: try ssh localhost |
| 23:44.19 | Dulak | kallisti: that is from /etc/acpi/lid.sh? |
| 23:44.23 | kallisti | yes |
| 23:44.52 | brotatos | LtL: doesn't work |
| 23:44.58 | brotatos | LtL: ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused |
| 23:45.17 | Dulak | kallisti: LID_SLEEP must be set higher up the script or something, what is it? |
| 23:45.21 | LtL | brotatos: /bin/netstat -tunap is port 22 listening |
| 23:45.53 | kallisti | Dulak: it's not referenced anywhere else in the file, I'll check the includes |
| 23:45.54 | brotatos | LtL: nope |
| 23:45.58 | brotatos | LtL: how do i tell it to listen? |
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| 23:46.10 | LtL | brotatos: start the service |
| 23:46.21 | brotatos | LtL: sshd is already started; restart? |
| 23:46.55 | LtL | brotatos: /etc/init.d/ssh start or restart might do it |
| 23:47.09 | brotatos | LtL: port is still refused |
| 23:47.46 | kallisti | Dulak: aha it's in /etc/default/acpi-support |
| 23:47.50 | LtL | brotatos: netstat -tuap is ssh listed |
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| 23:48.25 | brotatos | LtL: nope |
| 23:49.02 | LtL | brotatos: then its not installed or just not running |
| 23:49.21 | brotatos | LtL: pgrep sshd |
| 23:49.23 | brotatos | 11190 |
| 23:49.25 | brotatos | It's running. |
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| 23:50.05 | LtL | brotatos: you should get two lines on that output, the search and the real pid |
| 23:50.28 | brotatos | LtL: says it's running in htop too |
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| 23:51.23 | LtL | brotatos: ps aux |grep sshd one line should be running as root, sshd |
| 23:51.57 | LtL | brotatos: /etc/init.d/ssh stop ; then start |
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| 23:52.13 | brotatos | LtL: http://pastebin.com/d2Bp1dre |
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| 23:52.51 | LtL | brotatos: have you changed the port |
| 23:52.59 | brotatos | not that i know of |
| 23:54.01 | LtL | brotatos: thats really strange |
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| 23:54.25 | LtL | brotatos: are you trying to login as root |
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| 23:54.31 | brotatos | LtL: no, robin |
| 23:54.56 | LtL | brotatos: any iptables rules |
| 23:55.01 | nsadmin | over what, ssh? |
| 23:55.05 | brotatos | LtL: haven't even set that up |
| 23:55.17 | nsadmin | try iptables -L |
| 23:55.43 | nsadmin | the normal thing is you see three chains and a default policy |
| 23:55.43 | brotatos | LtL: nevermind ig ot it |
| 23:55.46 | brotatos | see ya |
| 23:55.51 | LtL | brotatos: k |
| 23:58.21 | LtL | nsadmin: thanks for the help :) |
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| 23:58.48 | LtL | was runnin' outa answers fast. |
| 23:59.00 | nsadmin | well it didn't seem to affect anything... having said that, you're welcome |
| 23:59.08 | bytetracker | what was the original issue, i joined after it was posted. |
| 23:59.12 | LtL | just the same |
| 23:59.21 | nsadmin | same here |
