| 00:00.00 | LtL | bytetracker: gentleman couldn't ssh to himself, and wondered about ssh forwarding and outside ip |
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| 00:00.19 | bytetracker | aye, tyvm |
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| 00:00.30 | nsadmin | ssh him@localhost? |
| 00:00.34 | bytetracker | many a bruises and concusions from that :) |
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| 00:00.41 | LtL | heh |
| 00:00.41 | bytetracker | I do it a lot. |
| 00:01.10 | bytetracker | gettin pretty good with it. still have my slip ups. |
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| 00:02.29 | bytetracker | LtL i assume "ssh to himself, ... " meant from oposite sides of a nat (two networks). |
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| 00:02.51 | LtL | bytetracker: ssh localhost aka 'himself' |
| 00:03.06 | bytetracker | oy, like loopback |
| 00:03.11 | LtL | correct |
| 00:03.24 | nsadmin | maybe his lo was down |
| 00:03.26 | bytetracker | aye, both are just as painful. |
| 00:03.44 | LtL | seems it suddenly worked.. |
| 00:04.06 | LtL | !next |
| 00:04.06 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:04.11 | nsadmin | works for me |
| 00:04.50 | nsadmin | LtL, for the guy that quit? |
| 00:05.07 | LtL | nsadmin: brotatoes, he left |
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| 00:05.25 | LtL | i ignore joins parts quits, but he's gone |
| 00:05.48 | nsadmin | yep, I saw him go |
| 00:05.52 | LtL | nsadmin: brotatos that is. |
| 00:06.07 | nsadmin | you say brotato... |
| 00:07.34 | nsadmin | what message was he getting when he tried? |
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| 00:09.11 | LtL | nsadmin: he claimed ssh wasn't running and no route to host upon attempts |
| 00:09.31 | nsadmin | err brb in 19 |
| 00:09.36 | nsadmin | err 10 |
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| 00:12.22 | nsadmin | no route to host, sounds like lo down |
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| 00:15.14 | LtL | nsadmin: or if he was attempting from the WAN, no port forwarding set, i dunno. apparently he fixed it. |
| 00:15.26 | LtL | he/she |
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| 00:20.56 | nsadmin | localhost tho, is special in that it NEVER leaves the machine you're on |
| 00:21.40 | nsadmin | aka, trying from the wan is not relevent here, because the target will always be also the originating machine |
| 00:22.31 | LtL | nsadmin: true, but he/she was attempting to accomplish both. |
| 00:23.14 | nsadmin | ok, so then this message he claims could have come from either attempt? |
| 00:23.47 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:24.34 | LtL | nsadmin: ssh localhost, answer was, ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused |
| 00:24.36 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:25.17 | nsadmin | ok, then: lo was up and ssh was not running or not running on the expected port |
| 00:25.48 | LtL | nsadmin: i don't think it was running, wasnt is netstat |
| 00:25.56 | LtL | *is/in |
| 00:27.15 | nsadmin | so if he had two machines A and B, on A he tried ssh localhost and on B he tried ssh A and got connection refused both times, that would strongly indicate not running |
| 00:27.37 | nsadmin | bbiaw :) |
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| 00:38.13 | bytetracker | i could be wrong, but connection refused is from the running process, i.e. wrong port, incorrect protocol, etc... |
| 00:38.16 | bytetracker | no? |
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| 00:39.13 | bytetracker | connection timedout would be a strong indication of daemon not running imho. |
| 00:39.50 | bytetracker | usually the previous err is from perms or port. |
| 00:39.59 | LtL | bytetracker: I would agree, they weren't telling me what they were doing while asking various questions. the sshd did not show up in netstat or ps, so i dunno. |
| 00:39.59 | bytetracker | imhexp. |
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| 00:40.20 | LtL | brb |
| 00:40.22 | brotatos | what package contains the dbus-launch command? |
| 00:41.22 | bytetracker | hrmm |
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| 00:46.25 | nsadmin | brotatos, packages.debian.org or apt-file (read dirs) or udd (which judd implements; /msg judd help) |
| 00:46.37 | neal | hi i installed debian using encryption and separate parittions for /usr /boot /home etc. now i want to keep /home but rinstall debian off of a cd to /usr /etc /boot etc. is this possible? |
| 00:46.54 | nsadmin | absolutely |
| 00:47.11 | nsadmin | you will have to create the users again |
| 00:47.12 | neal | how would i do it? |
| 00:47.17 | brotatos | nsadmin: http://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=dbus-launch :( |
| 00:47.20 | neal | thats ok its only my |
| 00:48.18 | nsadmin | tell the partitioner to use by not formatting, as its existing partition type and mount on /home |
| 00:48.37 | nsadmin | , file dbus-launch |
| 00:48.43 | judd | Search for dbus-launch in squeeze/i386: dbus-x11: etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus_dbus-launch, usr/bin/dbus-launch; dbus-1-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/dbus-launch |
| 00:49.32 | nsadmin | looks like you want dbus-x11 |
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| 00:50.05 | neal | ok thanks |
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| 00:50.27 | bytetracker | appropose |
| 00:50.54 | nsadmin | approposer! |
| 00:51.15 | bytetracker | sry |
| 00:51.18 | bytetracker | apropos |
| 00:51.23 | nsadmin | no worries |
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| 00:52.09 | djzn | does only CD1 install debian with desktop gnome? |
| 00:52.32 | nsadmin | do you have a good net connection? pref. wired? |
| 00:52.54 | djzn | yes |
| 00:53.07 | nsadmin | netinstall should do nicely |
| 00:53.24 | brotatos | i can ssh into my server; how do i access it when i'm not connected to my home network? |
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| 00:53.42 | bytetracker | or easier ?... apt-cache search dbus-launch -> dbus-x11, apt-cache show dbus-x11 |
| 00:53.45 | djzn | how much will i have to download in order to get full gnome |
| 00:53.48 | nsadmin | it will pull everything (incl parts of installer) from the net |
| 00:54.24 | nsadmin | cd1 may be more than you want (possibly compilers and such are there) |
| 00:54.29 | djzn | you mean the graphical installer |
| 00:54.47 | nsadmin | either graphical or not, will pull from net |
| 00:54.52 | nsadmin | that is, |
| 00:54.53 | djzn | ok |
| 00:55.03 | nsadmin | if you can get net set up early in install process |
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| 00:55.22 | nsadmin | if not, then the netinstall will install the base and you would go from there |
| 00:55.24 | djzn | for example, in CentOS |
| 00:55.31 | djzn | you need only DVD1 to perform installation |
| 00:55.38 | nsadmin | centos, haven't seen any of that |
| 00:55.40 | djzn | in debian, you need only CD1 basically |
| 00:55.44 | djzn | ? |
| 00:55.51 | djzn | or is CD1 a live cd |
| 00:55.52 | LtL | djzn: yes cd1, correct |
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| 00:56.04 | nsadmin | cd1 is 700 mb, netinstall cd is about 180 mb |
| 00:56.06 | cas2 | anyone know if it's possible to specify a Depends: line with alternates depending on whether the pkg is being built on debian or ubuntu? |
| 00:56.10 | LtL | djzn: cd1 is not a live cd |
| 00:56.21 | bytetracker | apt-cache stats gnome* |
| 00:56.21 | djzn | but it can also pull things from the net |
| 00:56.28 | djzn | if something lacks |
| 00:56.30 | bytetracker | or apt-cache stats gnome-* |
| 00:56.35 | nsadmin | and then the pkgs you install after that is only what you want |
| 00:57.17 | LtL | djzn: cd1 is the safest bet to have almost everything you need, except wpa-supplicant. |
| 00:57.34 | bytetracker | CD1 has live and installer versions |
| 00:58.08 | LtL | bytetracker: i stand corrected, never used a live cd to be honest. |
| 00:58.20 | djzn | ok |
| 00:58.23 | djzn | i will try that |
| 00:58.30 | oneme | debain live is not bad |
| 00:58.35 | bytetracker | i hate live cd's for installs |
| 00:58.44 | djzn | actually i am kinda of giving up on linux |
| 00:58.49 | bytetracker | coke pepsi really, but i just don't like them. |
| 00:58.51 | oneme | it can play youtube videos by default |
| 00:59.00 | bytetracker | djzn? why |
| 00:59.01 | oneme | gnash inside |
| 00:59.02 | djzn | after ubuntu and fedora major fails with unity and gnome 3 |
| 00:59.15 | bytetracker | look at mint djzn |
| 00:59.21 | djzn | mint is ubuntu upstream |
| 00:59.25 | djzn | wanted something more "pure" |
| 00:59.28 | djzn | if you know what I mean |
| 00:59.28 | bytetracker | yea |
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| 00:59.51 | bytetracker | but it removed unity, added cinnamon and mm? |
| 00:59.56 | oneme | pure? |
| 00:59.58 | djzn | pure cocaine you know |
| 00:59.59 | bytetracker | to give back the older gnome |
| 01:00.29 | djzn | well as for cinnamon and mate, they got all kinds of quirks |
| 01:00.40 | oneme | i used to think that linuxmint is just a group of jealous irish |
| 01:00.47 | LtL | cd1 is the pablo escobar of debian, with the exception of dvd's |
| 01:00.57 | bytetracker | and if your into media their focus is to make sure the user experience is top notch, (guided by their forum and community), hence the removal of unity, and that all vid/aud codecs are available. |
| 01:00.58 | djzn | ahahah good one |
| 01:01.01 | oneme | because ubuntu is made by british |
| 01:01.16 | djzn | i have been reluctant to install debian because... of some fan boys |
| 01:01.24 | bytetracker | theres also the debian mint release |
| 01:01.31 | bytetracker | removes the ubuntu middle man. |
| 01:01.39 | oneme | debian+mint? ha |
| 01:01.48 | bytetracker | aye |
| 01:01.59 | oneme | but chinese is there |
| 01:02.04 | djzn | there's this gayie fan boy at university.... he runs through the corridors shouting he's a DEBIAN user... |
| 01:02.05 | oneme | i won't go |
| 01:02.07 | bytetracker | instead of ubuntu modded to make mint, its debian modded to make mint. |
| 01:02.07 | oneme | hahaha |
| 01:02.30 | bytetracker | i like mint, ubu, but i love deb. |
| 01:02.40 | djzn | then he dropped debian and started to use freeBSD and that he was FReed from all the linux shit |
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| 01:02.55 | b4sh | 02:01 < bytetracker> i like mint, ubu, but i love deb. |
| 01:02.56 | b4sh | x2 |
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| 01:03.22 | oneme | i can unpack a deb then take all my want |
| 01:03.37 | bytetracker | FreeBSD is good, OpenBSD also good, NetBSD kinda worrysome... imho for what its worth. |
| 01:03.49 | djzn | my frustration is that Fedora went GNOME 3... and eventually.... RHEL will go G3 |
| 01:03.55 | djzn | is debian going to go G3 too? |
| 01:03.59 | bytetracker | they still have issues with drivers, and keeping up to date. but their getting better. |
| 01:04.14 | bytetracker | yea everyone will |
| 01:04.23 | bytetracker | because of Mark Shuttleworth |
| 01:04.32 | bytetracker | arsehat |
| 01:04.33 | djzn | wanna kill this guy |
| 01:04.43 | oneme | mark has bad teeth |
| 01:04.52 | oneme | i saw his photos |
| 01:04.57 | Daskreech | djzn: Why wouldn't they? |
| 01:04.57 | bytetracker | mark has a bad frontal lobe, and a lotta money. |
| 01:05.16 | oneme | yeah, so he is handsome for women |
| 01:05.17 | djzn | Daskreech: why wouldn't they what? |
| 01:05.25 | bytetracker | financed his own space flight, and several space studies since. |
| 01:05.40 | djzn | bytetracker: wisest phrase in a whole decade in linux world |
| 01:05.50 | Daskreech | djzn: go to Gnome 3 |
| 01:06.11 | djzn | Daskreech: because it is the unholy mess |
| 01:06.22 | bytetracker | its his fault |
| 01:06.26 | Daskreech | djzn: use KDE or xfce |
| 01:06.31 | djzn | marks? |
| 01:06.33 | bytetracker | its his fricken baby |
| 01:06.36 | bytetracker | yea |
| 01:06.38 | djzn | be right back |
| 01:07.07 | brotatos | how do i set up my server for remote access? i already have a static ip set up for basic ssh connections when i'm on my home network |
| 01:07.20 | Daskreech | bytetracker: I've no idea how you can pin a community driven project's dogged cahsing over speedbumps on someone who won't even get involved with the community |
| 01:08.11 | bytetracker | there are several blogs out there about how Ubuntu isn't worried about its community, and only about getting unity to be more like an interface for a phone so that the same linux can be on all devices. He refused to make it possible to move the icon bar on the left, to say the right side, or bottom. |
| 01:08.15 | LtL | brotatos: just login to your router and configure port forwarding for each service. |
| 01:08.33 | bytetracker | hes involved on the ubu forums. |
| 01:08.43 | bytetracker | search the forums for his name, shuttleworth |
| 01:08.56 | bytetracker | he posts there all the time telling ppl to go leap |
| 01:09.01 | Daskreech | bytetracker: I don't get how that forces fedora to use gnome3 though |
| 01:09.09 | brotatos | LtL: uhh... my router isn't too port forwarding friendly |
| 01:09.24 | bytetracker | no but connonical did |
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| 01:09.28 | bytetracker | and mark owns cannonical |
| 01:09.33 | skel | does anyone use debian as a virtual guest for their primary desktop? |
| 01:09.45 | LtL | brotatos: look into new firmware, i.e. dd-wrt or tomato. is the bomb |
| 01:10.19 | bytetracker | skel: no, my primary desktop is rarly a virt guest. |
| 01:10.21 | brotatos | LtL: it doesn't support any of those |
| 01:10.28 | brotatos | LtL: it's an old 2Wire 2701hg router |
| 01:10.43 | LtL | I'd rather drink paint than use stock linksys/cisco firmware |
| 01:10.59 | brotatos | LtL: linksys has gotten a lot better |
| 01:11.04 | brotatos | LtL: it works great on my robot |
| 01:11.21 | LtL | brotatos: oh, thats harsh, yeah cisco bought them! yay |
| 01:11.25 | skel | I've always accessed virt guests headlessly and am trying to figure out the best approach to do non-headless on one laptop HOST|GUEST stacked |
| 01:11.27 | bytetracker | netgear is a bit better imho, but cisco pure is best |
| 01:11.38 | bytetracker | i bought the cisco dsl/routers |
| 01:11.45 | LtL | brotatos: you need a _good_ router |
| 01:11.46 | brotatos | i'm going to buy a linksys router soon |
| 01:11.46 | skel | for reasons of easy backup via snapshots and ability to bring my desktop up anywhere |
| 01:11.49 | brotatos | i love those |
| 01:11.49 | bytetracker | $130.00 US |
| 01:11.51 | oneme | fake cisco routers are the best too |
| 01:11.52 | brotatos | LtL: it's a dlink |
| 01:12.11 | LtL | brotatos: thats a good brand |
| 01:12.11 | oneme | the american army is hacked |
| 01:12.14 | bytetracker | dlink hurts my head |
| 01:12.16 | brotatos | LtL: http://team1671.com/index.php/the-team/2012/the-bot/doc-viii-the-fish |
| 01:12.21 | brotatos | bytetracker: dlink is amazing |
| 01:12.41 | bytetracker | ive used 2 and wont do that again. |
| 01:12.49 | bytetracker | i guess its coke pepsi. |
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| 01:12.55 | bytetracker | i use netgear |
| 01:12.58 | brotatos | bytetracker: what's a good router brand? |
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| 01:13.07 | oneme | i won't take asus |
| 01:13.08 | bytetracker | if i need better backplane i use cisco pure |
| 01:13.10 | LtL | i'll only use routers that will accept dd-wrt or tomato, stock firmware typically sucks on low buck routers. |
| 01:13.30 | oneme | although asus uses boardcom chips |
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| 01:13.45 | bytetracker | imho the one you like is best for what you want then |
| 01:14.06 | bytetracker | a motorolla, intel, netget N900+ too. |
| 01:14.20 | bytetracker | its all about the backplane |
| 01:14.21 | oneme | intel makes routers? |
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| 01:14.31 | bytetracker | yea |
| 01:14.34 | oneme | o.o |
| 01:14.42 | ZitZ | what are some possible reasons for cron refusing to run anything I specify on a new install of wheezy? I'd like to think I have my entry formatted correctly. |
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| 01:16.31 | LtL | ZitZ: are you using crontab -e or /etc/cron.* |
| 01:16.46 | cas2 | skel: what sort of host virtualisation? kvm on linux? try virt-manager |
| 01:16.58 | ZitZ | crontab -e, would you like me to post my entry in chat?? |
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| 01:17.46 | LtL | ZitZ: crontab -e is the proper way but i'm no expert on syntax, but pastebinit, someone will know. |
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| 01:18.57 | cas2 | ZitZ: what error msg (if any) are you getting? |
| 01:19.18 | trevorriles | Hey guys, i'm setting up a webserver on squeeze and I just installed postgresql9.1 from backports. Now I am setting it up with supervisord and want to add it to supervisord's services. The problem is the only way i can find to star postgres is the init script. What happened to the 'postgres' command that is normally in a bin directory somehwere? Anyone else run into this? |
| 01:19.23 | cas2 | ZitZ: most likely cause is a) crond is not running, b) you messed up the time spec. |
| 01:19.45 | ZitZ | ... i think i might be an idiot, i was trying to start pcmanfm (to test), then i decided to test by just writing to a text file and it worked, i guess it doesn't support running gui applications? |
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| 01:20.54 | bytetracker | not unless its got a non interactive mode usually. |
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| 01:22.15 | bytetracker | oneme: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/switch-silicon/ethernet-switch-fm4000-datasheet.html |
| 01:22.20 | LtL | ZitZ: man 5 crontab for uber-reference |
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| 01:24.45 | Tramp | ZitZ: no. it has no DISPLAY, unless you (1) specify one and (2) get the auth right |
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| 01:25.59 | ZitZ | which is tricky, so i need to go about figuring out why the script i have (which requires no display obviously) works fine when run manually but fails to work when run through cron |
| 01:26.38 | bytetracker | did you add logging for cron to your syslog facility? |
| 01:26.48 | bytetracker | I don't think their is much if any by default. |
| 01:27.05 | cas2 | ZitZ: is PATH in your shell different to what crond sets? |
| 01:27.10 | ZitZ | thanks bytetracker, i will google how to do that |
| 01:27.22 | ZitZ | cas2: that's what i'm playing with right now |
| 01:28.12 | cas2 | ZitZ: quick test: set up a cron job that just runs "echo $PATH". compare to echo $PATH in shell. |
| 01:28.35 | brotatos | how do i use a previous tmux session that i detached from my terminal? |
| 01:28.44 | djzn | bytetracker: why is MShuttleworth guilty for Gnome 3 |
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| 01:34.10 | brotatos | how do i figure out what release of debian i'm on? |
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| 01:34.44 | sheep | brotatos: lsb_release -a? |
| 01:35.10 | Tramp | !version |
| 01:35.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 01:36.15 | djzn | bytetracker: hey |
| 01:36.23 | xreal | How can I check, if my iSCSI target is working? |
| 01:36.26 | xreal | iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p 127.0.0.1 ?` |
| 01:36.32 | djzn | what was that about MS about being blamed for gnome 3 |
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| 01:36.38 | djzn | curious now |
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| 01:38.16 | nsadmin | djzn, more free information flow on that topic in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:38.28 | djzn | ok |
| 01:39.14 | brotatos | sheep: thanks |
| 01:39.23 | Daskreech | djzn: You can use KDE or Xfce if you like |
| 01:39.32 | nsadmin | most traffic in here will be focused on supporting debian users or installers with debian support issues |
| 01:39.36 | djzn | daskreech: will try that |
| 01:39.42 | djzn | xfce looks horrible |
| 01:39.46 | brotatos | is xbmc nonfree software? i can't seem to find a page for it on the wiki |
| 01:39.51 | djzn | kde may differ in some distros |
| 01:39.57 | ZitZ | xbmc is in debian-multimedia |
| 01:39.59 | Daskreech | recommends KDE 4.7 but that's Wheezy |
| 01:40.20 | bytetracker | djzn aye |
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| 01:40.52 | joey64 | use gnome or only console ，yeah |
| 01:40.56 | nsadmin | , versions xbmc |
| 01:40.58 | judd | Package: xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; wheezy-multimedia: 11.0~rc2-0.0; sid-multimedia: 11.0-0.0 |
| 01:41.10 | bytetracker | djzn check lxde |
| 01:41.13 | nsadmin | oh, it;s not in debian |
| 01:41.25 | nsadmin | it's in debian-multimedia |
| 01:41.32 | Daskreech | :-) |
| 01:41.36 | nsadmin | so there could indeed be a legal issue with it |
| 01:41.38 | bytetracker | i pref openbox/blackbox pekwm and other minimal stuff |
| 01:41.47 | brotatos | how would i change releases if i really wanted to? |
| 01:42.26 | ZitZ | brotatos, you don't need to change releases, you just need to add the debian-multimedia repository |
| 01:42.28 | bytetracker | brotatos: releases ? i.e. ver 5.x to 6.x or desktops/win mgrs. |
| 01:42.36 | brotatos | ZitZ: that's what i was thinking |
| 01:42.38 | ZitZ | google debian-multimedia, you'll see what i mean |
| 01:43.55 | bytetracker | thats another reason i use mint on occasion, cause I can use pkg repo's from mint, ubuntu, PPA's, and deb repos. Thats a lot of choices. |
| 01:44.05 | brotatos | bytetracker: this is for a server... |
| 01:44.28 | bytetracker | so you want to dist-upgrade from 5 to 6 |
| 01:44.42 | bytetracker | squeeze to wheezy |
| 01:44.45 | bytetracker | like so ? |
| 01:45.15 | brotatos | bytetracker: nah, i just wanted to set up an xbmc server and i don't see it in the repos |
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| 01:46.23 | ZitZ | debian multimedia has different sections depending upon what release you are on, i.e. (squeeze, wheezy, sid) |
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| 01:47.03 | ZitZ | for instance my htpc has the new (11.0 i think) xbmc running on wheezy right now |
| 01:47.25 | joey64 | see xmbc's main web |
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| 01:50.37 | bytetracker | brotatos: xbmc appears to be a sub pkg. |
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| 01:51.01 | brotatos | bytetracker: yup |
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| 01:52.08 | bytetracker | anyremote, freevo, texmf-texlive |
| 01:52.55 | brotatos | maybe just putting videos on my server, sshing and forwarding an X server will work with mplayer |
| 01:53.18 | ZitZ | brotatos: what are you trying to do |
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| 01:53.59 | brotatos | ZitZ: upload some videos and watch them remotely |
| 01:54.04 | brotatos | off my home network |
| 01:54.20 | brotatos | I'm curious if i can ssh into my server off my home network. I set up a static IP but i feel ilke i need to do more for it to work. |
| 01:54.36 | brotatos | I asked my friend to SSH into my server at her place but she can't access it. |
| 01:54.44 | ZitZ | do you have a router? |
| 01:55.04 | ZitZ | you probably have to forward port 22 in the router and in linux if you have a firewall setup |
| 01:55.28 | ZitZ | and she has to know your external ip, not your internal |
| 01:56.25 | brotatos | ZitZ: oh, you mean the IP i get from whatismyip.com? |
| 01:56.40 | brotatos | ZitZ: i set the router's firewall to DMZ mode for my server, will that work? |
| 01:57.26 | LtL | brotatos: yes but your server in not behind the router firewall while in a DMZ |
| 01:57.28 | ZitZ | yes, from whatismyip.com, you don't need to do dmz mode, and that is probably less secure, i'm not the best networking guy, so i don't know much about dmz |
| 01:57.53 | brotatos | LtL: woops |
| 01:58.58 | LtL | brotatos: tail -f /var/log/auth.log on the server and try to ssh to it. |
| 01:59.55 | brotatos | LtL: i can ssh to it just fine |
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| 02:00.15 | LtL | brotatos: but have someone outside try |
| 02:00.25 | ZitZ | brotatos: trying to stream videos from a standard home computer, on a standard home isp connection may be a little adventurous, especially with x11 ssh forwarding, but the basics of what you want to do are very possible, i stream music from my ampache server located at home all the time |
| 02:00.54 | brotatos | ZitZ: i already set up LAMP; thinking of going with MPD but apache does sound nice |
| 02:01.07 | ZitZ | brotatos: you also have to keep in mind that your external ip always changes |
| 02:01.30 | brotatos | ZitZ: always? :( |
| 02:01.49 | ZitZ | brotatos: well, the frequency depends on your isp i guess |
| 02:02.03 | LtL | brotatos: its dhcp so yes it can change but not often depending on the isp and leases |
| 02:02.04 | brotatos | ZitZ: i would need something like a domain name to stop that wouldn't i? |
| 02:02.37 | ZitZ | yeah, dydns has a service where you put a script on your server that runs periodically and updates the dns with your new ip |
| 02:02.56 | brotatos | i'll just get a free domain name off a subnet or something |
| 02:03.16 | brotatos | LtL: what should the name of the application be for port forwarding? ssh? sshd? openssh? |
| 02:03.43 | ZitZ | the "application name" doesn't matter really when youre specifying it in the router |
| 02:03.51 | ZitZ | just the port and the internal ip matter |
| 02:03.55 | LtL | brotatos: ssh i would think, possibly sshd |
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| 02:04.49 | brotatos | TCP or UDP? |
| 02:04.55 | LtL | brotatos: tcp |
| 02:05.06 | brotatos | port range? I'm using 42 for sshd |
| 02:05.35 | LtL | brotatos: if thats what your /etc/ssh/sshd_config says, line 4 |
| 02:05.48 | brotatos | LtL: so 0 to 42? |
| 02:05.54 | brotatos | then map to host port 42 |
| 02:05.57 | LtL | brotatos: 42 and 42 |
| 02:06.09 | brotatos | LtL: sweet |
| 02:08.21 | brotatos | i'm getting an odd error now |
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| 02:08.43 | brotatos | 'rxvt-unicode-256color': unknown terminal type. |
| 02:08.50 | brotatos | even though i'm in an ssh... |
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| 02:09.16 | Daskreech | bytetracker: what's good about lxde ? |
| 02:09.26 | brotatos | Daskreech: it's lightweight |
| 02:10.20 | Daskreech | brotatos: bytetracker was recommending it as an alternative to Gnome3 I tihnk it would need more than just being lightweight to have that be a suitable replacement |
| 02:10.29 | LtL | brotatos: 42 is used by windows (wins) you might need to use a different port |
| 02:10.47 | brotatos | LtL: shoot; ok |
| 02:11.09 | ZitZ | brotatos: why did you decide not to use 22? |
| 02:11.16 | brotatos | ZitZ: security |
| 02:11.32 | kevlarman | it doesn't offer much security if you do things right |
| 02:11.38 | kevlarman | but it does help keep your logs clean |
| 02:12.05 | brotatos | kevlarman: yay |
| 02:12.06 | ZitZ | is that really more secure, it is basically just trying security through obscurity, the better security is proper keys, no root logins, and good passwords |
| 02:12.31 | brotatos | i'm not too concerned about security |
| 02:12.41 | brotatos | at most, i'm just going to put code, homework, and media on there |
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| 02:13.39 | kevlarman | ZitZ: it means you don't get a couple hundred login attempts every day from china |
| 02:13.53 | LtL | kevlarman: so true! |
| 02:14.02 | LtL | PRC that is |
| 02:14.03 | ZitZ | lol, yeah |
| 02:14.06 | brotatos | is it realy that common? |
| 02:14.10 | LtL | very |
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| 02:14.27 | brotatos | no root logins |
| 02:14.29 | brotatos | hmm |
| 02:14.31 | brotatos | ok |
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| 02:14.37 | ZitZ | i've been using the apf-firewall with files from online blocking whole ranges |
| 02:15.02 | brotatos | i just want to get my server up and running |
| 02:15.05 | brotatos | then worry about security |
| 02:15.17 | brotatos | ~$ htop |
| 02:15.20 | brotatos | Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode-256color. |
| 02:15.22 | brotatos | what's going on? |
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| 02:15.45 | LtL | brotatos: x11 forwarding? |
| 02:15.55 | brotatos | LtL: no, i didn't enable that yet |
| 02:16.10 | LtL | brotatos: i don't know then. |
| 02:16.27 | ZitZ | did you /etc/init.d/sshd reload? |
| 02:16.34 | brotatos | ZitZ: yes |
| 02:16.37 | LtL | brotatos: what machine is saying that, local or remote |
| 02:16.45 | brotatos | LtL: remote |
| 02:16.59 | LtL | brotatos: reboot it |
| 02:17.13 | brotatos | LtL: it's just /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 02:17.16 | brotatos | no d |
| 02:17.18 | LtL | something got whacked |
| 02:17.27 | brotatos | LtL: i'm going to wait until my file transfer is done |
| 02:17.31 | brotatos | scp'ing media over |
| 02:17.56 | LtL | brotatos: are you on port 42 |
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| 02:18.11 | brotatos | LtL: port 49 |
| 02:18.17 | brotatos | LtL: just switched |
| 02:19.01 | brotatos | oh god why is it lagging so horribly |
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| 02:19.51 | LtL | brotatos: not a good port, plaintext password |
| 02:20.11 | brotatos | LtL: what's a good port? |
| 02:20.56 | brotatos | 443? |
| 02:20.59 | rausted | I have a strange problem when installing debian amd64 netinst. in the apt config stage I get 'mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze). I'm 99% sure that I have internet though, because when I do wget http://www.google.com in vt4 it works. |
| 02:21.10 | LtL | brotatos: i'd need to pull up rfc1437 er something, 48000 maybe |
| 02:21.27 | brotatos | LtL: i had no idea ports could go that high |
| 02:21.33 | LtL | brotatos: definetly not 443 |
| 02:21.39 | brotatos | lol |
| 02:21.41 | brotatos | i was kidding about that |
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| 02:21.48 | LtL | brotatos: 65536 ports |
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| 02:22.15 | somiaj | rausted: what mirror are you using? |
| 02:22.20 | LtL | brotatos: you want a port no other service uses or allocated for |
| 02:22.43 | rausted | somiaj: kernel.org |
| 02:23.12 | rausted | somiaj: but I get the same for all other mirrors |
| 02:23.58 | rausted | and here is something stranger, when I do wget mirrors.kernel.org it works, but when I do wget mirrors.kernel.org/debian I get 404 |
| 02:24.00 | somiaj | rausted: have you tried http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ |
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| 02:24.19 | rausted | somiaj: same error |
| 02:24.21 | somiaj | rausted: When kernel.org got hacked the mirrors were taken down, no clue if they restored them or not. |
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| 02:24.57 | somiaj | well does look like the kernel.org mirrors are back up. NOt sure what the issue is then |
| 02:25.19 | JurassicJon | DNS problems? |
| 02:25.23 | somiaj | rausted: the netinstall contains a minimial or base system on it (you can install it without the internet) |
| 02:25.23 | JurassicJon | sometimes that happens |
| 02:25.26 | rausted | somiaj: I think they did, because I can wget mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dist/squeeze/Release from another computer it works |
| 02:25.49 | somiaj | rausted: so you can complete the install without having the internet, then figure out your issue once you have a full base system installed and not just the partial installer console |
| 02:25.59 | rausted | JurassicJon: I'm pretty sure DNS got autoconfigured corrently (no errors afaik) |
| 02:26.23 | rausted | somiaj: are you sure I can? The installation won't let me go on without mirrors |
| 02:26.41 | somiaj | rausted: it is the squeeze netinstaller right? (not the business card cd)? |
| 02:26.55 | rausted | yes, the ~160mb image |
| 02:27.24 | brotatos | my network is suddenly going extremely slow |
| 02:27.24 | somiaj | that contains the base system, there should be a way to skip the mirror selection |
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| 02:27.58 | rausted | yeah, turns out there is. Still I have no clue what caused the error though |
| 02:28.21 | cemiotic | somiaj: hi, how old are you? |
| 02:28.45 | rausted | I'll continue with minimal install and if someone finds out what happened, I'd love to know. |
| 02:28.48 | somiaj | cemiotic: its offtopic and not relevant. |
| 02:29.26 | cemiotic | curiosity killed the cat |
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| 02:30.50 | passstab | hi |
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| 02:31.17 | passstab | how do i make a custom cd based on debian ? |
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| 02:31.50 | somiaj | passstab: install cd or live cd? |
| 02:32.02 | passstab | both |
| 02:32.15 | somiaj | passstab: check out live.debian.net for the tools to make custom live images |
| 02:32.28 | JurassicJon | i wonder if the system bios clock being out of sync might be what is screwing the wget |
| 02:32.35 | somiaj | passstab: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD is also useful |
| 02:32.37 | JurassicJon | windows has that problem |
| 02:33.10 | passstab | thanks |
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| 02:33.26 | LtL | JurassicJon: NFS has a problem with that, wget shouldn't. |
| 02:33.45 | passstab | i have a dream of getting debian in libraries |
| 02:33.54 | bytetracker | Daskreech: agreed, on lxde, its just another ui that he hadn't tried before, he mentioned he didnt like xfce, gnome3, kde, etc... so i suggested lxde. |
| 02:34.05 | bytetracker | Daskreech: just to take a look. |
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| 02:34.55 | somiaj | passstab: there is an educational version of debian (more geared twoards schools) but it could have stuff relevant to libaries |
| 02:35.29 | somiaj | passstab: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 02:35.44 | bytetracker | I don't personally think its a good replacement for something as complete as gnome 2.x, but its nicer than xfce, which I personally like, and less than gnome 2.x imho. |
| 02:36.04 | somiaj | bytetracker: DE's are overrated. (: |
| 02:36.55 | bytetracker | i personally use openbox/blackbox tint2 and mostly console apps. |
| 02:37.04 | bytetracker | so i would have to agree. |
| 02:37.12 | jwayne | fluxbox, prah prah |
| 02:37.22 | bytetracker | fluxbox is good too. |
| 02:38.46 | bytetracker | openbox is heavy in foss, which is why i ended up sticking with it, blackbox works on both win32 (when im forced) and linux. but i do use fvwm, fluxbox, and others like xmonad, twm, etc... |
| 02:38.49 | jwayne | although I may end up using gnome for a DE since some of the apps I'ld like to use keep asking to install gnome libraries.. and I end up using as much space as a default install eh |
| 02:38.56 | rausted | after completing the minal install my computer only boots from network (intel pxe etc) |
| 02:39.21 | rausted | Is there any explanation for this? |
| 02:39.43 | streuner_ | BIOS? |
| 02:39.54 | passstab | i figure a library system is mostly a web console with diffrent user accounts set pu |
| 02:39.56 | bytetracker | only boots from? have you changed the bios order or turned off pxe in the bios. |
| 02:40.00 | passstab | up |
| 02:40.23 | rausted | lenovo I guess? Yes I changed the boot order, hd is first, ethernet last |
| 02:40.28 | streuner_ | rausted: Debian doesnt change your BIOS entires :-) |
| 02:40.45 | rausted | I know, that's why I;m completely clueless as to what happened |
| 02:41.37 | bytetracker | can u disable pxe altogether in the bios, or get to a boot selection window? on my comp its F11. |
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| 02:42.04 | rausted | yes I did that already, I can't boot from hd |
| 02:42.13 | bytetracker | any error? |
| 02:42.20 | rausted | My guess is that mbr got overwritten and the whole hd appears to be garbage |
| 02:42.22 | rausted | no errors |
| 02:42.43 | rausted | which is strange because the minimal install recongnized a Windows partition |
| 02:42.55 | rausted | so it should create grub entries for it |
| 02:43.05 | bytetracker | it should have. |
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| 02:43.41 | bytetracker | you can try booting into admin mode and running grub-install again. |
| 02:44.04 | rausted | how do I boot in admin? |
| 02:44.14 | bytetracker | telinit 1 |
| 02:44.24 | rausted | in vt4 per say? |
| 02:44.44 | bytetracker | recovery mode? |
| 02:44.49 | bytetracker | single user mode? |
| 02:44.56 | bytetracker | depending on what its called. |
| 02:46.09 | brotatos | ZitZ: i changed the port to 48001 and forwarded it but it changed the private IP to 0.0.0.0 :( |
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| 02:46.42 | rausted | can debian boot from a logical partition? |
| 02:46.46 | sheep | yes |
| 02:46.55 | ZitZ | brotatos: that's the internal ip of your remote machine? |
| 02:47.06 | bytetracker | hrmm, no more inittab |
| 02:47.17 | bytetracker | oh, ugh, nvm. |
| 02:47.26 | brotatos | ZitZ: internal as in the one from whatismyip.com? |
| 02:47.32 | bytetracker | poopoontoo |
| 02:47.42 | bytetracker | friggen upstart |
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| 02:47.49 | ZitZ | brotatos: as in what it is leasing from your router |
| 02:48.03 | LtL | brotatos: internal and whatsmyip are two different things |
| 02:48.04 | brotatos | ZitZ: at home, i ssh into using 192.x.x.x |
| 02:48.25 | ZitZ | brotatos: so your router has no external connection |
| 02:48.34 | brotatos | ZitZ: now what? |
| 02:48.53 | LtL | brotatos: reboot your router |
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| 02:49.08 | ZitZ | lol, that's about all i can think of |
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| 02:49.26 | LtL | brotatos: and restart networking on the local machine |
| 02:49.48 | LtL | brotatos: hopefully ip's dont change |
| 02:49.53 | brotatos | LtL: they probably will |
| 02:50.41 | brotatos | shoot |
| 02:50.43 | LtL | brotatos: i doubt it |
| 02:50.44 | brotatos | i don't know how to restart it |
| 02:51.25 | LtL | brotatos: you need to be more specific on which machine we talk about |
| 02:51.49 | LtL | brotatos: localbox /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:51.54 | brotatos | LtL: woops; i meant restarting the router |
| 02:51.59 | brotatos | i'll just unplug it |
| 02:52.01 | LtL | router, login, reboot |
| 02:52.02 | brotatos | then plug it back in... |
| 02:52.59 | LtL | brotatos: that will possibly change the local machine if it's not 192.168.1.1 |
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| 02:53.05 | LtL | brotatos: that will possibly change the local machine if it's not 192.168.1.100 |
| 02:54.59 | LtL | brotatos: rebooting the router should keep your local machine at the same address |
| 02:55.18 | bytetracker | unless the router is the DHCP |
| 02:55.23 | LtL | brotatos: the server is static right |
| 02:55.35 | bytetracker | then they'll have to get new ip's, which will likely be handed the same ones. |
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| 02:56.01 | brotatos | hello |
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| 02:57.45 | brotatos | LtL: do i need to reboot the server too? |
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| 02:58.13 | LtL | brotatos: the router will keep its address most likely, its wan address. the server shouldnt need a reboot |
| 02:59.01 | LtL | brotatos: just 'ip addr' on the subneted boxes to check |
| 02:59.23 | LtL | brotatos: wget -qO- ifconfig.me/ip |
| 02:59.40 | brotatos | LtL: do i have to login on the remote server in order to use ssh? |
| 02:59.45 | brotatos | it's not letting me in now |
| 02:59.49 | LtL | that will tell you your outside address, i doubt it will change |
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| 03:00.45 | LtL | brotatos: as long as its up and running you can ssh to it |
| 03:00.55 | brotatos | LtL: it's not allowing me to ssh into it :( |
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| 03:01.07 | LtL | brotatos: whats the error |
| 03:01.18 | xreal | Is there a benchmarking tool, which benchmarks random access? |
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| 03:02.37 | brotatos | LtL: nevermind i typed the ip in wrong |
| 03:02.52 | cbobo | Hello, on an install of Lenny does anyone know why the source.list is bad? I am unable to do apt-get update without some of it falling? |
| 03:02.53 | LtL | brotatos: syntax is everything |
| 03:03.13 | brotatos | LtL: wait the syntax is right :( |
| 03:03.24 | LtL | brotatos: can you ping it |
| 03:03.46 | brotatos | LtL: Host Unreachable |
| 03:04.03 | brotatos | LtL: http://codepad.org/dsiKDccj |
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| 03:05.03 | LtL | brotatos: its ip changed i bet |
| 03:05.09 | brotatos | :| |
| 03:05.16 | LtL | brotatos: can you ping the router] |
| 03:05.36 | brotatos | LtL: yes |
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| 03:06.14 | LtL | brotatos: do you have local access to the server |
| 03:06.39 | LtL | brotatos: open a terminal and get its ip |
| 03:07.17 | brotatos | LtL: /sbin/route? |
| 03:07.47 | LtL | brotatos: can you login to your router and see what machines are addressed. |
| 03:08.19 | brotatos | i did |
| 03:08.25 | brotatos | destination: 192.168.1.0 |
| 03:08.30 | brotatos | gateway: 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:08.39 | brotatos | the iface is eth0 |
| 03:09.29 | LtL | brotatos: that sounds right, thats ifconfig right |
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| 03:09.47 | LtL | er route rather |
| 03:09.51 | brotatos | yes, route |
| 03:10.05 | brotatos | so i would ssh using 192.168.1.0 |
| 03:10.10 | brotatos | however, it doesn't seem to be working |
| 03:10.19 | LtL | brotatos: are both machines in front of you? |
| 03:10.31 | brotatos | LtL: yes |
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| 03:11.05 | brotatos | LtL: it still doesn't have an internal IP |
| 03:11.07 | brotatos | it's still 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:11.12 | brotatos | oh wait |
| 03:11.14 | luckz | how do I check whether updating a specific package will restart the service it provides? |
| 03:11.16 | brotatos | not it says the IP address is not set |
| 03:11.22 | LtL | brotatos: open a terminal on each one, do a 'ip addr' what does eth0 say on each |
| 03:12.04 | brotatos | LtL: oh |
| 03:12.10 | brotatos | LtL: for some reason the server can't ping google |
| 03:12.17 | brotatos | LtL: i don't think it's connected to the internet |
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| 03:12.27 | LtL | brotatos: i agree |
| 03:12.28 | somiaj | luckz: you'll have to look at the postinst/preinst scripts |
| 03:12.33 | bytetracker | luckz: open the .deb, and check the post file. |
| 03:12.43 | brotatos | LtL: it can ping the router though |
| 03:12.46 | somiaj | luckz: but I would just assume that upgrading a service will restart it as it needs to be running off the new binary. |
| 03:12.50 | brotatos | well this explains a lot |
| 03:13.01 | brotatos | LtL: how do I connect it to the internet via cli? |
| 03:13.13 | brotatos | LtL: it's already connected to the router via ethernet |
| 03:13.19 | brotatos | LtL: eth0 state is UNKOWN |
| 03:13.36 | bytetracker | sudo ifup eth0 |
| 03:13.41 | somiaj | brotatos: I prefer to use /etc/network/interfaces (you can configure your internet interfaces in that file) |
| 03:13.46 | bytetracker | sudo ifconfig eth0 up |
| 03:13.49 | LtL | brotatos: on the server restart networking |
| 03:13.52 | luckz | somiaj: it's my irc client, so it's not *exactly* the sort of service that should just be restarted |
| 03:13.55 | somiaj | brotatos: once they are configured you can use the debian ifup/ifdown scripts. |
| 03:14.07 | luckz | bytetracker: how do I open a .deb? tar/gz? |
| 03:14.11 | somiaj | luckz: an irc client is not a service |
| 03:14.11 | bytetracker | or sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:14.13 | LtL | brotatos: bytetracker will work too |
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| 03:14.33 | luckz | somiaj: it's somewhere inbetween in this case :) |
| 03:14.54 | brotatos | "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some itnerfaces... (warning. Reconfiguring network interfaces ... done." |
| 03:15.02 | somiaj | luckz: if it were an irc server (like ircd) I'd expect it to be restarted. If it is a client, it will be left alone until you rerun the client on the new binary. |
| 03:15.03 | brotatos | ip addr now says eth0 is down |
| 03:15.07 | brotatos | how do i bring it up? |
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| 03:15.56 | LtL | brotatos: sudo ifup eth0 |
| 03:16.24 | brotatos | pinged google; 100% packet loss |
| 03:16.41 | brotatos | LtL: after sudo ifup eth0, ip addr reports that the state of eth0 is unknown |
| 03:17.27 | luckz | somiaj: well, the preinst has nothing about stopping the service, unlike mysql-server-5.1.preinst for example, but the postins uses invoke-rc.d to start it. I guess it will just go 'already started' and do nothing thus? |
| 03:17.27 | bytetracker | sudo ifconfig eth0 up |
| 03:17.32 | bytetracker | sudo ifup eth0 |
| 03:17.43 | bytetracker | sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:17.49 | bytetracker | or start |
| 03:17.57 | somiaj | luckz: what package is it? |
| 03:18.02 | luckz | somiaj: quassel-core |
| 03:18.37 | brotatos | LtL: nope; using sudo ifup eth0 ruins everything |
| 03:18.52 | brotatos | luckz: networking restart sets it to UNKNOWN state |
| 03:19.11 | somiaj | luckz: is the central core ran by a /etc/init.d/foo script or just laucned by the user that wants to use it? |
| 03:19.34 | luckz | somiaj: by a script. but the script returns "already running" if told to start it, and the preinst does not quit it. as far as I can tell. |
| 03:19.42 | LtL | brotatos: eth0 is hot-plugged reboot it |
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| 03:19.59 | brotatos | ok |
| 03:20.14 | bytetracker | if the ifup messes up, try sudo ifconfig eth0 up |
| 03:20.30 | bytetracker | usually 1 or the other works, its affected by how the cards are configured. |
| 03:21.05 | somiaj | brotatos: care to share your /etc/network/interfaces (on a pastebin site) |
| 03:21.09 | brotatos | it's hanging at Starting MTA: |
| 03:21.18 | bytetracker | lol |
| 03:21.18 | brotatos | there we go |
| 03:21.21 | bytetracker | well then |
| 03:21.41 | bytetracker | config your MTA :) |
| 03:21.42 | brotatos | oh there we go |
| 03:21.53 | brotatos | debian: Mar 31 19:01:04: robin: unable to resolve host debian |
| 03:21.55 | brotatos | what's going on? |
| 03:22.03 | bytetracker | dns |
| 03:22.08 | LtL | brotatos: i wonder if its the static address |
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| 03:22.31 | bytetracker | paste your /etc/network/interface file on pastebin please. |
| 03:22.40 | brotatos | bytetracker: i can't share my files on pastebin because i'm not connected to the internet |
| 03:22.52 | bytetracker | how are you talking to us now? |
| 03:22.57 | brotatos | bytetracker: laptop |
| 03:23.00 | bytetracker | and do u have a usb stick |
| 03:23.04 | somiaj | brotatos: check /etc/resolv.conf for your nameserver |
| 03:23.06 | LtL | brotatos: you edited that for staic address right |
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| 03:23.27 | bytetracker | well add valid nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:23.43 | luckz | somiaj: will it also run .prerm or is that only for actual removals, not updates? |
| 03:24.02 | somiaj | luckz: that should only be for removing the package, not upgrading |
| 03:24.04 | bytetracker | in the form of nameserver 206.13.28.12<enter> |
| 03:24.10 | bytetracker | 1 nameserver per line. |
| 03:24.12 | bytetracker | up to 3 |
| 03:24.22 | somiaj | nameserver 8.8.8.8 (I belive that is googles nameserver) |
| 03:24.30 | luckz | that is google's, yes |
| 03:24.55 | bytetracker | Personally I would remove everything or disable it in your runstate until your cards are working then bringing in your daemons 1 at a time. |
| 03:25.09 | brotatos | i have one nameserver |
| 03:25.12 | brotatos | nameserver 192.168.1.254 |
| 03:25.27 | bytetracker | do you have a DNS server on that ip? |
| 03:25.34 | brotatos | bytetracker: no |
| 03:25.41 | bytetracker | thats the prob |
| 03:25.54 | bytetracker | it needs a valid nameserver to resolv addresses |
| 03:26.08 | brotatos | bytetracker: my hostname is debian, what should my resolve address be? |
| 03:26.25 | LtL | brotatos: that auto addressing, correct that |
| 03:26.25 | bytetracker | you cant put random addresses everywhere and expect it to work. |
| 03:26.42 | brotatos | http://codepad.org/30L3uXUw |
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| 03:26.48 | brotatos | that's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:26.52 | brotatos | i copied it over using a memory key |
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| 03:27.15 | brotatos | ok |
| 03:27.27 | somiaj | brotatos: either use nameserver 192.168.1.1 or nameserver 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf to get a valid nameserver |
| 03:27.43 | somiaj | (assuming your gateway is a router and will most likley have a nameserver on it) |
| 03:27.47 | bytetracker | your network is wrong |
| 03:27.52 | brotatos | ok; now what? |
| 03:27.58 | brotatos | bytetracker: what's wrong with it? |
| 03:28.08 | bytetracker | 192.168.0 |
| 03:28.15 | somiaj | yea nice catch bytetracker |
| 03:28.23 | brotatos | bytetracker: what should it be? |
| 03:28.33 | bytetracker | unless your router is on 192.168.1.1 thats wrong too. |
| 03:28.38 | LtL | brotatos: your /etc/network/interfaces is wrong on the network line |
| 03:28.42 | bytetracker | network addy is 192.168.1.0 |
| 03:28.54 | brotatos | ok |
| 03:29.02 | brotatos | add a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:29.06 | brotatos | anything else i need to change? |
| 03:29.22 | brotatos | add nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:29.22 | bytetracker | your network and broadcast lines arn't neeeded in order for it to work fyi. but you can put them in. |
| 03:29.29 | LtL | brotatos: should be good |
| 03:29.37 | bytetracker | no nameserver in this file |
| 03:29.44 | bytetracker | dont put one in here |
| 03:29.44 | brotatos | bytetracker: i added one |
| 03:29.53 | bytetracker | nameserver in resolv.conf |
| 03:29.53 | brotatos | bytetracker: oh ok |
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| 03:30.37 | bytetracker | ipaddy 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:30.38 | brotatos | still can't ping google |
| 03:30.48 | bytetracker | is your router on 1.1? |
| 03:30.50 | somiaj | brotatos: can you ping your gateway |
| 03:31.00 | bytetracker | 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:31.06 | bytetracker | <= your gateway |
| 03:31.07 | brotatos | bytetracker: no, it's on 192.168.1.254 |
| 03:31.11 | brotatos | woopsies |
| 03:31.22 | bytetracker | then correct the file for gateway to 254 |
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| 03:31.35 | bytetracker | then restart networking |
| 03:31.35 | rausted | Is it possible that the idiots in Lenovo replaced MBR with an ntfs partition? My new laptop is supposed to use One Key Recovery, which seems to be booting separetly when called. Also, there is an unexplained 100mb ntfs bootable partition by default. |
| 03:31.52 | brotatos | pinged google |
| 03:31.54 | brotatos | lost only 1 packet |
| 03:31.57 | brotatos | lets see if i can ssh now |
| 03:32.34 | bytetracker | rausted, 100mb partition is your recovery parttition, it probably has an image on it |
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| 03:32.59 | bytetracker | when you press the button it loads the hidden partition, and walks you through recovery usually. |
| 03:33.02 | brotatos | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.0 port 48001: Network is unreachable |
| 03:33.03 | brotatos | :( |
| 03:33.13 | rausted | no the 100mb was the only bootable partition by default. Root windows was primary but not bootable. |
| 03:33.19 | bytetracker | 192.168.1.0 is a network, not a machine. |
| 03:33.23 | somiaj | rausted: you can't put a ntfs parttion on the mbr |
| 03:33.25 | bytetracker | you ssh to a machine not a networkl. |
| 03:33.31 | brotatos | bytetracker: woops |
| 03:33.32 | LtL | brotatos: i doubt thats the address of your server |
| 03:33.39 | brotatos | LtL: what is it using route? |
| 03:33.56 | LtL | brotatos: no |
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| 03:34.13 | LtL | brotatos: ip addr on the server |
| 03:34.23 | brotatos | eth0 is UNKNOWN |
| 03:34.27 | rausted | somiaj: Yeah I know, but they must have done something in mbr to accomodate for one key recovery. One key recovery should work independent of mbr |
| 03:34.29 | bytetracker | ssh <username>@192.168.1.254 |
| 03:34.47 | brotatos | bytetracker: 192.168.1.254 is the router |
| 03:35.00 | rausted | somiaj: for example if I install grub on mbr, one key recovery should still be able to restore windows |
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| 03:35.05 | brotatos | i can ping google now (no packet loss) |
| 03:35.12 | bytetracker | ok |
| 03:35.13 | bytetracker | kewl |
| 03:35.14 | LtL | brotatos: the router should be 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:35.20 | brotatos | LtL: it's not |
| 03:35.32 | bytetracker | what machine do you have running the sshd |
| 03:35.43 | brotatos | bytetracker: debian 192.168.1.0 i think |
| 03:35.47 | rausted | so my guess is, they made a custom bootloader on mbr which boots from the 100mb partitiion, if one key recovery hasn't been called. |
| 03:35.49 | bytetracker | not possible |
| 03:35.50 | LtL | well that can be changed so its ok i guess |
| 03:35.56 | bytetracker | try again |
| 03:36.04 | brotatos | bytetracker: how do i figure it out? |
| 03:36.15 | brotatos | ip addr is 192.168.1.10 |
| 03:36.19 | bytetracker | how many physical machines do you have |
| 03:36.27 | brotatos | there we go |
| 03:36.28 | bytetracker | you have a laptop |
| 03:36.29 | brotatos | 192.168.1.10 |
| 03:36.31 | brotatos | laptop |
| 03:36.33 | brotatos | server |
| 03:36.35 | brotatos | desktop |
| 03:36.37 | LtL | brotatos: ssh to 192.168.1.10 |
| 03:36.37 | brotatos | router |
| 03:36.40 | brotatos | + sister's laptop |
| 03:36.42 | brotatos | LtL: worked! |
| 03:36.53 | bytetracker | whats the laptops ip? |
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| 03:36.56 | somiaj | rausted: what is one-key recovery...it could be your bios just ignoring the mbr.. |
| 03:37.37 | rausted | somiaj: why would the bios ignore the mbr? One key recovery is essentialy a key in the back of the laptop that factory restores everything. |
| 03:37.44 | a5m0 | anyone know of the smallest/lightest way to do google voice to sip bridging (heavy would be pbxinaflash) |
| 03:38.00 | bytetracker | somiaj: 1 key recovery is IBM's idea of getting back to working fast. You hit this one key on the machine, and it blasts down an image on your machine from a hidden partition and resets your box. fast. |
| 03:38.23 | ectospasm | ...I'm using GNOME3-fallback with XMonad, and every time I log in I get the sad computer ("Oh no!") message. It's just an annoyance, I can kill the window easily (Mod4+C), but I can't seem to find any clues as to what it's complaining about... |
| 03:38.41 | brotatos | bytetracker: laptop's ip is 192.168.1.73 |
| 03:38.43 | rausted | bytetracker: Yeah, and to do that these morons messed with mbr |
| 03:39.01 | bytetracker | does your box boot to main disks? |
| 03:39.06 | rausted | bytetracker: So essentially I can't have grub and one key recovery in mbr at the same time. |
| 03:39.07 | bytetracker | rausted. |
| 03:39.22 | rausted | bytetracker: no, it doesn't boot to disk |
| 03:39.24 | bytetracker | you can if you change the img on the hidden part. |
| 03:39.58 | brotatos | LtL: According to my router, there's no IP set for debian. |
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| 03:40.12 | rausted | bytetracker: change the img to what? |
| 03:40.16 | brotatos | LtL: http://gyazo.com/fdd508262ab729b79da349f461ad53d3 |
| 03:40.30 | bytetracker | the image that lenovo placed on the box to reset your os |
| 03:40.37 | bytetracker | it has an mbr in it. |
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| 03:40.50 | bytetracker | the mbr is just the first 512 bytes of the hdd |
| 03:40.54 | brotatos | How do I set an IP for the server? |
| 03:41.15 | rausted | bytetracker: yeah, the thing is that when I try to do one click recovery I get to intel PXE as well. |
| 03:41.16 | bytetracker | hence the first 512 bytes of the iso |
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| 03:41.34 | LtL | brotatos: you have the interfaces file set for static don't you |
| 03:41.43 | rausted | So one key recovery reads the mbr as well. |
| 03:41.49 | brotatos | LtL: yes... |
| 03:42.06 | LtL | brotatos: well the router want to issue it via dhcp |
| 03:42.30 | rausted | bytetracker: also, when installing grub, I got the error: 'ioctl send to partition' many times. |
| 03:42.46 | brotatos | LtL: do I have to change it to DHCP, restart it, then grab the IP and set it back to static? |
| 03:42.47 | bytetracker | basically the image lenovo gave you needs to be modified if you modify the disks to dual boot. |
| 03:42.53 | LtL | brotatos: i'm not familiar with setting static addresses, im assuming the interface file is wrong |
| 03:43.09 | rausted | bytetracker: isn't that what grub does? |
| 03:43.10 | bytetracker | so you'll need to replace the image they gave you with a new one of your disk, after you get it all set up. |
| 03:43.15 | LtL | brotatos: i would set it to dhcp |
| 03:43.19 | bytetracker | grub is a boot loader |
| 03:43.24 | brotatos | LtL: take a look http://pastebin.com/bkCvuBfY |
| 03:43.25 | bytetracker | so it helps boot. |
| 03:43.53 | bytetracker | the 1 button recovery is not a boot loader, it just instructs the machine to re-image the drive with the iso in the hidden partition. |
| 03:43.54 | brotatos | LtL: if i set it to dhcp, how will i ssh into it without having to check for the ip (if it changes)? |
| 03:44.24 | brotatos | LtL: changed it to dhcp, now just restart networking? |
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| 03:45.02 | rausted | bytetracker: I don't think that's the case, I overwrote MBR and 1 key recovery got screwed up as well. |
| 03:45.27 | LtL | brotatos: that might work |
| 03:45.46 | brotatos | the ip changed |
| 03:45.51 | brotatos | it still indicates inactive |
| 03:45.57 | brotatos | ip address isn't set |
| 03:45.58 | brotatos | :( |
| 03:46.05 | rausted | bytetracker: Plus there is a dialog window when calling 1 key recovery, it behaves like a bootloader. |
| 03:46.21 | LtL | brotatos: did you comment out the static |
| 03:46.23 | bytetracker | a selectable bootloader right? |
| 03:46.32 | bytetracker | i.e. pick what to boot... |
| 03:46.41 | rausted | bytetracker: yes, something like that |
| 03:47.06 | rausted | bytetracker: So it's either part of BIOS or a bootloader written on hd |
| 03:47.11 | brotatos | LtL: yes |
| 03:47.15 | bytetracker | I have 4 ibms here with it, ive played with several different versions of it. |
| 03:47.37 | LtL | brotatos: if you leave them running the addresses won't change, they will just renew leases |
| 03:47.37 | rausted | did you manage to keep 1 key recovery and also install deb? |
| 03:47.56 | LtL | brotatos: reboot |
| 03:48.09 | LtL | brb |
| 03:48.18 | bytetracker | yea |
| 03:48.24 | bytetracker | what model is your machine? |
| 03:48.29 | rausted | ideapad u400 |
| 03:52.09 | rausted | bytetracker: you said you need to replace the image on the 100mb partition with something else, right? What did you replace it with? |
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| 03:53.00 | bytetracker | rausted this explains a bit of it http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-4UFUYK |
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| 03:57.59 | rausted | bytetracker: I don't think the link applies to my machine, the BIOS seems to be different, there is no 'press f11' option. |
| 03:58.08 | bytetracker | rausted: you can get a new dl of that software - http://consumersupport.lenovo.com/us/en/DriversDownloads/drivers_list.aspx?CategoryID=301264 |
| 03:58.21 | bytetracker | no not directly, but you see how it can be modified. |
| 03:58.25 | brotatos | LtL: what should i do for a static ip address? |
| 03:58.37 | bytetracker | that was a very basic example. |
| 03:59.00 | bytetracker | that last url is for your machine specifically. |
| 03:59.16 | bytetracker | IdeaPad U400 |
| 03:59.20 | brotatos | I can't find a guide for a static ip on the debian wiki. |
| 03:59.22 | LtL | brotatos: i don't use them so i can't give you accurate info on that, sorry |
| 03:59.41 | brotatos | LtL: how do you ssh into your home server? |
| 04:00.15 | bytetracker | brotatos: try googling debian filetype:interfaces |
| 04:00.29 | LtL | brotatos: i keep all my machines at the same subnet addresses and my outside ip changes maybe twice a year |
| 04:00.39 | rausted | bytetracker: I can no longer boot into windows, so downloading One Key Recovery is out of the question. Are there any recovery disks for One Key Recovery? |
| 04:00.51 | brotatos | LtL: do you happen to have a guide i could check out? |
| 04:01.13 | LtL | brotatos: i unplug my router and boot each machine in order i want addresses issued |
| 04:01.17 | Lns | brotatos, 'man interfaces' |
| 04:01.35 | LtL | if something gets off but its really not necessary |
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| 04:02.28 | brotatos | LtL: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually ? |
| 04:02.46 | brotatos | LtL: wuouldn't that work? |
| 04:02.52 | Lns | sorry if i'm chiming in without reading enough backscroll |
| 04:02.53 | LtL | brotatos: http://debianserver.wikidot.com/squeeze:config-network-static |
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| 04:03.22 | bytetracker | the Lenovo OneKey Recovery |
| 04:03.32 | bytetracker | not the Lenovo OneKey software |
| 04:03.59 | bytetracker | the second column, not the first |
| 04:04.18 | bytetracker | it should be a bootable cd or something |
| 04:04.27 | bytetracker | aside from 32bit 64bit |
| 04:04.41 | LtL | brotatos: use my url, some of those wiki's are old, squeeze is new |
| 04:05.20 | LtL | brotatos: my url is for squeeze, could help |
| 04:05.33 | brotatos | LtL: thanks; nameserver is the ssh address correct? |
| 04:05.34 | rausted | you mean that right? http://consumersupport.lenovo.com/us/en/DriversDownloads/drivers_show_5314.html |
| 04:05.57 | LtL | brotatos: nope not that i know of |
| 04:05.59 | rausted | it's a windows exe |
| 04:06.36 | brotatos | LtL: SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 04:06.37 | brotatos | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 04:06.39 | LtL | brotatos: nameservers are the dns servers from your isp |
| 04:07.12 | brotatos | LtL: so i can be anything really? |
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| 04:07.43 | LtL | brotatos: no, some ppl use google's nameservers |
| 04:08.49 | bytetracker | rausted have you tried pressing F11 prior to windows booting, just after bios post? |
| 04:08.54 | brotatos | LtL: how's this look? http://gyazo.com/5e86f23d7edaef97e0bd88ecc524c723 |
| 04:08.54 | LtL | brotatos: nameserver resolve your outside address, your router issues your subnet addresses if you use dhcp |
| 04:08.55 | bytetracker | did that get you in at all? |
| 04:09.18 | rausted | yeah I tried it, didn't do anything |
| 04:09.23 | brotatos | LtL: are google's nameservers free? |
| 04:09.40 | bytetracker | yes its an exe. but i believe its a zip file, self extracting exe. |
| 04:09.49 | rausted | what's strange is that even when I boot in hd from the bios boot menu, I still end up booting from Intel PXE |
| 04:09.54 | bytetracker | I.e. when you run it it unzips |
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| 04:10.15 | bytetracker | heh, can you disable it in the bios? |
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| 04:10.20 | bytetracker | pxe boot |
| 04:10.20 | rausted | oh, I see. I don't have any windows machines though, I'll try it in wine. |
| 04:10.28 | LtL | brotatos: your gateway is only 3 octets, and yes googles are free |
| 04:10.30 | bytetracker | you can get UBCD |
| 04:10.50 | LtL | brotatos: i dont know if your gateway is correct |
| 04:10.57 | rausted | bytetracker: no I can't, I just put it on the bottom of the boot list. What's a UBCD? |
| 04:10.58 | brotatos | LtL: gateway is just router |
| 04:11.00 | bytetracker | its a windows based live cd with a burner, you can build a usb stick as a bootable live cd, and burn a cd. |
| 04:11.03 | LtL | i guess it is |
| 04:11.08 | bytetracker | UBCD ultimate boot cd |
| 04:11.12 | brotatos | LtL: so it's 192.168.1.254 |
| 04:11.34 | rausted | sigh... I guess I'll be buying CDs in bulk... |
| 04:11.43 | LtL | brotatos: the router acts as a gateway fot LAN to WAN |
| 04:12.03 | brotatos | maybe i should just use arch linux... |
| 04:12.05 | bytetracker | or Dareks Boot n Nuke is a good bootable windows cd too. |
| 04:12.16 | LtL | brotatos: according to the url i gave you its right. |
| 04:12.21 | bytetracker | you don't have a couple blanks? |
| 04:12.39 | LtL | brotatos: you'll fix this |
| 04:12.48 | bytetracker | in linux if you have an iso you can use unetbootin to put an iso on a usb stick. |
| 04:13.07 | brotatos | ok; it's fixed |
| 04:13.08 | bytetracker | then you can boot from the usb stick, and make the windows iso, and burn it. |
| 04:13.14 | LtL | brotatos: if abrotman or the others were here they would know, i'm no expert |
| 04:13.18 | brotatos | now i just need to figure out the internal ip |
| 04:13.30 | rausted | bytetracker: I'm out of CDs, and unetbootin failed me earlier today. I'll get some blanks and try that. |
| 04:13.42 | LtL | brotatos: somiaj is good, dvs, and others but they may be busy |
| 04:13.43 | bytetracker | sorry brother |
| 04:14.17 | rausted | thanks for the info though, I'll see what I can do with it |
| 04:14.22 | bytetracker | you don't by chance live on west coast US do u? |
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| 04:14.51 | bytetracker | i can give you some blanks :) i have more than plenty :) |
| 04:14.59 | bytetracker | LtL I know but my brain hurts |
| 04:15.04 | brotatos | LtL: any clues for the internal IP? |
| 04:15.12 | scientes | what makes you r brain hurt? |
| 04:15.22 | LtL | brotatos: i don't understand the address of your router for one thing |
| 04:15.27 | rausted | bytetracker: Nope, East coast. Thanks though, I'll get to the market tomorrow. |
| 04:15.40 | brotatos | LtL: it's always been 192.168.1.254 |
| 04:15.42 | brotatos | i don't know why |
| 04:15.59 | LtL | brotatos: what router is it |
| 04:16.14 | brotatos | 2wire 2701hg-b |
| 04:16.20 | brotatos | it's a POS |
| 04:16.23 | bytetracker | rausted: ubcd and dban are the two best windows based bootable cd's im aware of. when dealing with windows crap i find its best to be in a windows environment. |
| 04:16.40 | LtL | brotatos: well i tend to agree with that |
| 04:17.02 | brotatos | LtL: the operation times out when my friend tries to log in |
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| 04:17.31 | Rusty1 | hirens bootcd |
| 04:17.31 | rausted | bytetracker: yeah, I'm downloading ubcd right now. From there I can probably just run fixmbr and get my windows back |
| 04:17.46 | LtL | brotatos: imho the router ip should be 192.168.1.1 as well as the gateway of eth0 |
| 04:17.48 | bytetracker | well crap, umm, try this out vmware player is free, linux version available. and there are windows based vm's for playing around. you might be able to do it now |
| 04:17.59 | bytetracker | use a usb as the cd |
| 04:18.12 | bytetracker | rausted: for dban or ubcd |
| 04:18.36 | brotatos | LtL: well, since we established that it's 192.168.1.254, could we move on? |
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| 04:18.46 | LtL | brotatos: but it's the math that counts and your config should work |
| 04:18.53 | rausted | oh, good idea. I'll get an image of Windows from... the official microsoft downloads page, that is, and try it. |
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| 04:19.31 | bytetracker | and as for unetbootin failin you, ive never had an issue, but there is an HP tool usb boot disk creator or something like that. just check the version number when searching, and download it from HP's site only. its a good tool too. |
| 04:19.48 | bytetracker | always use sticks < 8Gb, pref 4Gb |
| 04:20.06 | rausted | yep, I'm using 4gb |
| 04:20.19 | bytetracker | no partitions on the stick either, fat32 |
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| 04:20.26 | LtL | brotatos: this is a 'proper' way is all. http://debianserver.wikidot.com/squeeze:config-network-static |
| 04:20.42 | bytetracker | rausted: if it has partitions you are likely to have issues. |
| 04:20.57 | LtL | brotatos: you can change that routers address i bet but lets not argue |
| 04:21.03 | brotatos | yeah |
| 04:21.10 | brotatos | it pings |
| 04:21.11 | rausted | oh, wait. I was installing Xubuntu 10.10 to see if it can fix the mbr issue and now I can boot into grub :-D |
| 04:21.13 | brotatos | just fine |
| 04:21.27 | LtL | brotatos: the firmware seems archaic |
| 04:21.34 | brotatos | the only issue i have at this point is the state of eth0 is UNKOWN according to eth0 |
| 04:21.36 | brotatos | oh, it is |
| 04:21.40 | bytetracker | no partitions on usb stick = usb floppy bootable usb stick. partitions = disk and it gets wonky. |
| 04:21.41 | rausted | bytetracker: Well, I'll be damned, I have my partitions back! |
| 04:21.45 | brotatos | it's an hp pavilion a500n bought in 2001 LtL |
| 04:21.49 | bytetracker | fantastic :) |
| 04:22.00 | bytetracker | ok forget everything i said |
| 04:22.03 | bytetracker | lol |
| 04:22.06 | rausted | lol |
| 04:22.08 | bytetracker | but backup your mbr |
| 04:22.18 | rausted | will do, thanks bro |
| 04:22.34 | bytetracker | sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=bootsect.iso bs=512 count=1 |
| 04:22.38 | bytetracker | something like that |
| 04:23.01 | rausted | yeah I've done this before |
| 04:23.05 | bytetracker | you can get your PBR and EBR too if you want |
| 04:23.19 | bytetracker | same but add 1, 2, 3, 4 etc... |
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| 04:23.31 | rausted | in count? |
| 04:23.45 | rausted | oh, I see what you mean |
| 04:23.47 | rausted | ok |
| 04:23.53 | bytetracker | PBR = Partition Boot Record, EBR = Extended Partition Boot Record. |
| 04:23.53 | LtL | brotatos: on the unknown box, try sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth0 |
| 04:24.08 | bytetracker | use the number of the partition for your extended. etc... |
| 04:24.19 | rausted | yeah, I got it |
| 04:24.26 | bytetracker | kewl |
| 04:24.32 | bytetracker | shutting up now |
| 04:24.44 | rausted | :P thanks a bunch |
| 04:24.54 | bytetracker | np |
| 04:25.00 | bytetracker | u fixed it though |
| 04:25.03 | bytetracker | :) |
| 04:25.16 | bytetracker | now if i could only fix my nVidia, i would be in heaven |
| 04:25.21 | rausted | I didn't ubuntu did. No idea how though |
| 04:25.28 | brotatos | LtL: it's up |
| 04:25.32 | rausted | what's up with yout nvidia? |
| 04:25.37 | bytetracker | reflowing didn't work, :( |
| 04:25.38 | brotatos | state UNKNOWN |
| 04:26.04 | brotatos | and it pings fine |
| 04:26.08 | rausted | ouch, sorry no idea how to fix that |
| 04:26.09 | bytetracker | card works great in all situations but when playing 3d games or intensive progs |
| 04:26.21 | bytetracker | you ever reflowed? |
| 04:26.24 | LtL | brotatos: do you have net |
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| 04:26.30 | bytetracker | scared the pee outa me the first time |
| 04:26.32 | brotatos | LtL: yes, it pings to google jut fine |
| 04:26.40 | brotatos | LtL: i sshed into it after i put eth0 back up |
| 04:26.43 | LtL | brotatos: try elsewhere |
| 04:26.43 | brotatos | it's all good |
| 04:26.48 | brotatos | ok |
| 04:27.06 | LtL | brotatos: i'm damn glad bro |
| 04:27.34 | rausted | bytetracker: never tried it, it's too risky |
| 04:27.35 | bytetracker | rausted: when i play a 3d game the screen goes black and the comp reboots. 100% of the time. |
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| 04:27.42 | bytetracker | reflowing? |
| 04:27.45 | bytetracker | nah |
| 04:27.55 | bytetracker | i figured out a real safe way |
| 04:27.56 | LtL | brotatos: drop 50 bucks on a linksys 54gl and install dd-wrt |
| 04:27.58 | rausted | after reflow or before? |
| 04:28.03 | brotatos | LtL: i'm broke |
| 04:28.04 | bytetracker | both |
| 04:28.11 | bytetracker | thats why i reflowed the card |
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| 04:28.22 | brotatos | LtL: send me a link to the linksys router that's 54$ |
| 04:28.34 | LtL | brotatos: sec |
| 04:28.43 | rausted | what card do you have? |
| 04:28.45 | bytetracker | ive rebuild the machine about 8 times, different drivers |
| 04:28.48 | brotatos | LtL: it freaking timed out :( |
| 04:28.49 | bytetracker | no luck. |
| 04:29.12 | bytetracker | nVidia GeForce Go 7950 GTX 512mb Daughter board. |
| 04:29.23 | bytetracker | Alienware Area 51 m9750 |
| 04:30.08 | bytetracker | i suspect its the n100 chip and sli, which i am not using. |
| 04:30.18 | rausted | glxgears works? |
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| 04:30.57 | somiaj | bytetracker: including the -legacy packages? |
| 04:32.42 | LtL | brotatos: http://tinyurl.com/79m6vp6 |
| 04:33.28 | LtL | brotatos: only caveat no 802.11'n' protocol |
| 04:33.54 | LtL | mines been been brunning for years |
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| 04:35.17 | LtL | brotatos: does logging into your router display your REAL nameservers? |
| 04:35.34 | brotatos | LtL: i don't know... :( |
| 04:35.49 | brotatos | LtL: i'll give you a screenshot i guess |
| 04:36.02 | LtL | brotatos: http://router-ip |
| 04:36.31 | LtL | if it even has http access |
| 04:38.49 | bytetracker | somiaj: aye, it doesn't work in windows XP either. Which is the stock config the machine was built in. I ghosted the drive and put it back to factory spec. does the same thing. |
| 04:39.03 | bytetracker | it just blows up. |
| 04:40.00 | brotatos | LtL: i go it to work |
| 04:40.34 | LtL | brotatos: how old is your router |
| 04:40.43 | brotatos | LtL: bought it in 2006 |
| 04:40.46 | somiaj | bytetracker: the card could just be bad (or have bad memeory) |
| 04:41.03 | brotatos | LtL: 2wire routers are made by AT&T - hence hte lack of open source firmware support |
| 04:41.44 | Some_Person | brotatos: Actually, it's the other way around -- AT&T routers are made by 2wire |
| 04:41.46 | LtL | brotatos: mine may be that old, i forget, it has a linux kernel in it though. wheeee |
| 04:41.59 | brotatos | Some_Person: oh :( |
| 04:42.34 | LtL | brotatos: you live in the usa |
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| 04:43.24 | Some_Person | brotatos: what's wrong with it anyway? |
| 04:43.37 | brotatos | Some_Person: it times out whenever someone calls someone or we receive a call |
| 04:43.56 | brotatos | Some_Person: if you download at the max speed, it shuts down the DSL and you have to wait about 5 minutes for it to start up |
| 04:44.02 | brotatos | Some_Person: it can't handle torrents |
| 04:44.24 | brotatos | Some_Person: i can't replace the firmware because it lacks tomato support |
| 04:44.49 | Some_Person | brotatos: Huh, that's weird. I can't imagine why calls would affect the router (unless you have U-Verse, but you mentioned buying it in 2006 so I'm guessing you don't) |
| 04:44.53 | LtL | brotatos: dsl eh, argh |
| 04:44.57 | Some_Person | You probably need to contact AT&T |
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| 04:45.08 | brotatos | Some_Person: i'm moving; no point |
| 04:45.10 | brotatos | it's just annoying |
| 04:45.22 | brotatos | that my parents were paying for a 1998 internet service for a 2012 price |
| 04:45.48 | Some_Person | By the way, new firmware generally won't fix problems like this. If anything, it might create new problems due to possible incompatibility |
| 04:45.57 | brotatos | i'd imagine so |
| 04:46.02 | Some_Person | People generally use custom firmware to access new features, not fix problems |
| 04:46.04 | brotatos | but it'd at least be easier to manage |
| 04:46.14 | LtL | Some_Person: thats true |
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| 04:46.51 | LtL | brotatos: actually, dd-wrt is kinda complicated |
| 04:46.58 | Some_Person | LtL: Are you LjL, and if so, why did your j turn into a t? |
| 04:47.34 | Some_Person | Yeah, I would never recommend dd-wrt to a newbie |
| 04:47.45 | LtL | Some_Person: i'm LTL, LjL I spoken to though in ubuntu a long time ago, nice guy. |
| 04:48.03 | Some_Person | LtL: Ok, sorry |
| 04:48.10 | LtL | np man |
| 04:48.22 | Some_Person | I was just curious; your nick is just too similar to his not to be |
| 04:48.36 | Maleko | does anyone know how to chroot sftp usage to user's own home dir only? |
| 04:48.46 | LtL | my nick sucks but ive used itv since 1995 |
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| 04:49.34 | rausted | Maleko: Make everything else u-r? |
| 04:50.41 | LtL | LTL = Less than Truck Load ...it's an industry term. |
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| 04:50.54 | Some_Person | LtL: Ah, I see |
| 04:50.58 | Maleko | rausted: i dont know if thats a good ide |
| 04:51.00 | Maleko | idea |
| 04:51.22 | LtL | ltl means serious money in the trucking business |
| 04:51.39 | Maleko | i want their ssh access to still works as normal |
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| 04:52.06 | rausted | Maleko: lol, yeah sorry, it's late and I'm getting stupid |
| 04:52.57 | brotatos | how does my /etc/hosts file look? http://pastebin.com/Cxz6KMXU |
| 04:53.04 | brotatos | apparently i can't resolve the hostname debian |
| 04:53.09 | LtL | whips open pandora |
| 04:53.42 | brotatos | oh it's fine |
| 04:53.55 | ectospasm | I don't like Pandora because you gotta pay to get a standalone client |
| 04:54.40 | ectospasm | last.fm let's you use any of a number of non-web clients. |
| 04:54.54 | ectospasm | ...for free. |
| 04:54.54 | Some_Person | ectospasm: You do? I swear I've tried Pithos before and it worked fine |
| 04:55.10 | ectospasm | Some_Person: well, the "official" Pandora client. |
| 04:55.19 | Some_Person | Ah |
| 04:55.33 | ectospasm | (me is basing this all off a pitch for subscribing to Pandora) |
| 04:55.48 | Some_Person | Well, who really cares about being official? |
| 04:56.52 | rausted | Maleko: http://www.serverschool.com/server-configuration/jail-ftp-users-to-their-home-directories/ |
| 04:57.54 | LtL | brotatos: disable avahi-daemon it's evil |
| 04:58.07 | brotatos | LtL: how? |
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| 04:58.41 | LtL | brotatos: sudo update-rc-d avahi-daemon disable |
| 05:00.06 | LtL | brotatos: my /etc/hosts http://pastebin.com/Y2XGKeCu |
| 05:01.39 | Maleko | rausted: sftp != ftp ;) |
| 05:01.54 | Maleko | no worry about that |
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| 05:02.11 | LtL | brotatos: back it up if you change it |
| 05:02.50 | LtL | brotatos: i wouldnt mess with it, looks fine |
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| 05:02.55 | brotatos | yeah |
| 05:02.59 | brotatos | don't want to anymore anyways |
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| 05:03.58 | Sue | Are there any non-pinning repo-based methods of installing newer versions of Oracle Java or OpenJDK (either work)? |
| 05:04.01 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to customize my bash prompt on Debian. I've tried placing it in the .profile and .bash_profile but neither seem to work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:04.03 | TheWarden | http://pastebin.com/q4iabShJ |
| 05:04.25 | somiaj | TheWarden: .bashrc is where I have mine |
| 05:04.37 | LtL | TheWarden: me too |
| 05:05.39 | LtL | on a black background, white fonts this is cool |
| 05:05.42 | LtL | PS1="\[\033[1;37m\][\[\033[1;34m\]\u\[\033[1;37m\]@\[\033[0;31m\]\h\[\033[1;37m\]] \[\033[0;34m\]\W \[\033[1;37m\]\$\[\033[0m\] " |
| 05:05.42 | TheWarden | oh really... mm I'll give that a try then. thanks. |
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| 05:06.20 | somiaj | seems the difference is .bash_profile is execued only for login shells, while .bashrc is excued an any interative shell startup (such as launching an xterm) |
| 05:06.47 | LtL | took me forever |
| 05:07.20 | TheWarden | somiaj: interesting.... thanks. |
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| 05:08.05 | somiaj | LtL: PS1='\[\033[01;33m\][\[\033[00;32m\]\u\[\033[00;31m\]@\h\[\033[01;37m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[01;33m\]]\[\033[00m\] ' -- yours is fairly similar to mine. (: |
| 05:08.29 | LtL | somiaj: lemme try it. sec |
| 05:10.03 | LtL | somiaj: i like it! |
| 05:13.09 | LtL | somiaj: i think i'll keep that, danke :) |
| 05:15.40 | LtL | brotatos: is stuff working ok? |
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| 05:18.43 | bytetracker | well im out for the night |
| 05:18.48 | bytetracker | have a good one all |
| 05:18.59 | LtL | bytetracker: g'night |
| 05:19.22 | brotatos | LtL: yeah, i just hate myself right now |
| 05:19.32 | LtL | brotatos: why |
| 05:20.10 | brotatos | i feel so dumb; i spent an entire day setting up a static ip |
| 05:20.18 | brotatos | parents are yelling because i haven't been preparing for my ap test |
| 05:20.19 | brotatos | s |
| 05:20.48 | LtL | brotatos: hey, don't feel bad man... we've all been there.. |
| 05:21.06 | brotatos | and now i can't get passwordless ssh'ing to work |
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| 05:22.23 | LtL | brotatos: I don't bother with that.. |
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| 05:25.00 | borkedhelix | does anyone have experience doing a net install with a realtek r8168 nic? |
| 05:25.13 | borkedhelix | i'm getting a blank screen at "detecting network hardware" |
| 05:25.57 | borkedhelix | i downloaded the unofficial non-free firmware iso, and i can see eth0 just fine on another console |
| 05:27.56 | LtL | borkedhelix: can you get a lspci -nn |
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| 05:29.18 | LtL | hrm, that may not be much help during install, i never use netinst |
| 05:29.49 | borkedhelix | sure, one sec |
| 05:31.01 | LtL | borkedhelix: i don't know how to get past the hang to load the module anyway |
| 05:32.18 | borkedhelix | i'll type out the NIC line from lspci -nn |
| 05:32.27 | borkedhelix | it's on another box so i have to switch back and forth |
| 05:32.42 | LtL | borkedhelix: just eed the hex bus id |
| 05:32.46 | LtL | need |
| 05:32.57 | borkedhelix | oh, ok |
| 05:33.41 | borkedhelix | i believe the hex id is 10ec:8168 rev 03 |
| 05:34.56 | LtL | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 05:34.57 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 05:36.47 | LtL | borkedhelix: running squeeze? |
| 05:37.02 | borkedhelix | yeah, just downloaded the 6.0.4 net install |
| 05:37.21 | borkedhelix | LtL both official and unofficial |
| 05:37.37 | LtL | borkedhelix: maybe the cd1 has it, netinst may not |
| 05:38.33 | borkedhelix | LtL: debian is not my flavor of choice typically so i'm not sure which disks i need for a barebones system |
| 05:38.44 | borkedhelix | LtL: can I just use CD/DVD 1? |
| 05:38.46 | LtL | i suppose it would pull it off the net but not sure. i hate realtek china junk |
| 05:38.55 | borkedhelix | LtL: yeah, me too |
| 05:39.30 | LtL | borkedhelix: i'm sure you can, whether it will work i couldn't say, chances are better though. |
| 05:39.42 | somiaj | LtL: glad you liked it. (: |
| 05:39.54 | borkedhelix | LtL: ok, i'll give it a try. thanks |
| 05:40.27 | LtL | good luck, hope it works, i'm sure theres a way |
| 05:40.56 | LtL | somiaj: it rocks |
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| 05:45.34 | LtL | for those that dont wanna mess with ~/.bashrc paste this into a terminal, it'll go away when you close the term. |
| 05:45.42 | LtL | export PS1='\[\033[01;33m\][\[\033[00;32m\]\u\[\033[00;31m\]@\h\[\033[01;37m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[01;33m\]]\[\033[00m\] ' |
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| 05:46.57 | LtL | we've got lightening here, if i go 'pewf' you'll know why |
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| 05:50.09 | borkedhelix | LtL: I just remembered I've got a box with a 3c905b nic i've been meaning to throw away |
| 05:50.16 | borkedhelix | we'll see if that works |
| 05:50.21 | LtL | borkedhelix: i didn't answer your question, cd1 will give you a full install as will dvd, the latter i'vbe never used. |
| 05:50.36 | borkedhelix | LtL: cool, thanks |
| 05:51.07 | LtL | borkedhelix: advanced install will give you lots of options. |
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| 05:55.13 | LtL | borkedhelix: i always keep a spare ethernet card around, just in case. |
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| 06:02.28 | borkedhelix | LtL: thankfully it worked |
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| 06:02.42 | borkedhelix | disabled the internal NIC, and it's working now |
| 06:02.57 | LtL | borkedhelix: sweet |
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| 06:11.30 | dmbaturin | If I'm going to use the same key and certs with multiple services (e.g. cyrus-imap and postfix), what is the best practice for access control? |
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| 06:12.31 | dmbaturin | Or the best practice is just to use dedicated cert for each service? |
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| 06:24.15 | LtL | dmbaturin: I think everybody is sleeping, which i'm about to do. |
| 06:24.24 | LtL | night all |
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| 06:27.57 | TheWarden | How do I alter a jar file under Debian? I need to delete a file and then add some files to it but each time I try to delete a directory it gives me an error. |
| 06:28.18 | dmbaturin | TheWarden: jars are plain zips. |
| 06:28.45 | dmbaturin | Still I'd suggest to rebuild it from source. |
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| 06:29.47 | TheWarden | dmbaturin: well that is what I understand but I still get errors. let me get the error message. Ahh rebuilding from source is not an option and not how its suppose to be modified according to online instructions all over the place. |
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| 06:37.42 | TheWarden | I can open the minecraft_server.jar with Archive Manager.. then I try to delete a directory in the jar it says operation not permitted. archive not support. |
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| 06:39.26 | TheWarden | I'm not sure what to do. I've done this before on Windows with 7-zip. Do I need a different archive manager or add-on? |
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| 06:40.25 | TheWarden | there must be a way |
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| 06:51.29 | Lint | TheWarden, what zip utility do you use? |
| 06:52.07 | TheWarden | Lint: Archive Manager that comes default in Debian |
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| 06:52.54 | Lint | TheWarden, it's just GUI, it cannot read or create archives by itself |
| 06:53.33 | TheWarden | Lint: what do I need to install to support zip then? |
| 06:53.55 | somiaj | TheWarden: apt-cache search unzip |
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| 06:55.31 | TheWarden | somiaj: actually I looked and I have unzip installed. |
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| 06:55.51 | somiaj | TheWarden: unzip -e file.zip (Will extract the zip file) |
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| 07:05.17 | Lint | he needs zip to modify archives |
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| 07:07.30 | bony | i am getting an error while i upgrade my system it says "unable to overwrite /usr/share/maven-repo/javax/servlet/servlet-api/2.5/servlet-api-2.5.pom" dpkg says that another package libservlet2.4-java is also trying to write the file |
| 07:08.05 | bony | i tried to check /var/dpkg/info/ post or preinst files for both the packages but didn't find any |
| 07:08.39 | bony | only list and md5sum files are there for both the packages libservlet2.5-java and libservlet2.4-java |
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| 07:10.10 | somiaj | bony: upgrade from what version of debian? |
| 07:10.30 | bony | somiaj: sid |
| 07:10.39 | somiaj | have you checked the bts? |
| 07:10.48 | bony | well no how to check that? |
| 07:10.56 | somiaj | I don't see libsevlet2.4-java in sid anymore |
| 07:10.58 | somiaj | seems to be removed |
| 07:11.02 | bony | oh |
| 07:11.02 | somiaj | I would just remove that package |
| 07:11.06 | somiaj | bony: bugs.debian.org |
| 07:11.25 | somiaj | bony: you should check the bts to see if others have issues with that upgrade |
| 07:11.26 | bony | well i tried to remove that package but it is getting into a loop like it says that some packages depend on it |
| 07:11.37 | bony | somiaj: ok i will check the bts |
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| 07:15.02 | bony | i just ddged(searched the web) for the error and found few links that says "try to overwrite X, which is also in Y" |
| 07:15.06 | bony | just going through the links |
| 07:15.12 | bony | hope i will find an solution |
| 07:15.20 | bony | i will go through the bts too. |
| 07:15.50 | Lint | bony, you can use --force-overwrite or something similar |
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| 07:16.24 | somiaj | bony: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666256 |
| 07:16.30 | somiaj | should just use the bts, there is that bug right there. (: |
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| 07:17.15 | somiaj | though there is no solution there |
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| 07:18.45 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah I want to remove a directory from the archive and then add some files/directories to the archive. I'll check the man pages. |
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| 07:19.07 | bony | somiaj |
| 07:19.17 | bony | i found a way to get it solved |
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| 07:19.48 | bony | one blog said to give the comman dpkg -i --force-overwrite <full path of the package to be installed> and then apt-get -f install |
| 07:19.55 | bony | it worked |
| 07:19.58 | bony | :) |
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| 07:25.25 | TheWarden | good night all |
| 07:26.25 | joey64 | I'm |
| 07:26.53 | joey64 | I'm in +8.00 |
| 07:27.27 | joey64 | So this time is afternoon |
| 07:27.44 | joey64 | Have a good night |
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| 07:39.03 | peterrooney | lately I've been finding a stray consoles anywhere from vt13 to vt64. I'm wondering how I could track down what program activates it. |
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| 08:03.28 | UnixDev | is there some way to run a command after lintian when using debuild but without explicitly using a command line hook? i.e. by modifying the rules file somehow? |
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| 08:03.34 | ParkerR | I don't get it. Why does httrack on Windows get a nice UI but on linux we have to use a browser to use a web UI? |
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| 08:17.46 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: it doesn't really matter what kernel is installed inside the VM if you can't use it at all, does it |
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| 08:22.31 | An_Ony_Moose | I can no longer run apt-get dist-upgrade properly because it hangs at the kernel images when trying to unmount /var/lib/os-prober/mount . How can I fix this? |
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| 08:24.39 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home yes. i am now trying to mtach it with the provider setup |
| 08:24.45 | An_Ony_Moose | I can't even shut down properly, have to use init 0 |
| 08:25.03 | gnarface | An_Ony_Moose: just out of curiosity, did udisks-daemon crash on you? |
| 08:25.46 | An_Ony_Moose | gnarface: not that I know of. What is it and how would I find out? |
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| 08:27.08 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 08:27.15 | Bartzy | How do I check information about a public key in openssl ? |
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| 08:29.33 | metaphysician | i m learning Common Lisp. How do I setup Emacs as an IDE for programming in CL? How to setup to be able to compile, evaluate code in Emacs itself? I am on Squeeze. |
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| 08:30.10 | metaphysician | i installed slime and cl-swank packages |
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| 08:31.02 | metaphysician | when i C-c C-b to compile, Emacs says "Not connected" |
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| 08:31.51 | gnarface | An_Ony_Moose: try dmesg, and ps ... just wondering if its the same problem i was having. |
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| 08:36.14 | deexenigma | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.33 | WormFood | I'm from the US, but I'm not in the US :P |
| 08:36.41 | deexenigma | lmao |
| 08:36.50 | deexenigma | helpful, very helpful, it's down from here in aus |
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| 08:37.10 | WormFood | is there a page that tells the status of the debian mirrors? It seems the mirror I'm using is not responding, and hasn't for the last few days |
| 08:37.26 | WormFood | deexenigma, I use a vpn in usa, and I have no problems accessing it earlier today |
| 08:38.07 | An_Ony_Moose | gnarface: seems to be running fine |
| 08:38.16 | deexenigma | WormFood, I only just noticed it, been playing with some proxies and went to the google.com page, its 404, has been since i found it that way for last 15-20. |
| 08:38.17 | WormFood | loading for me...but that does not mean a lot, because they're using anycast, and you may be routed to a bad server (unlikely, but possible)...any problems you have should clear up quickly |
| 08:38.30 | WormFood | I just now tried it, no problems. |
| 08:39.02 | deexenigma | must be a bad connect from aus, im running without proxy and getting 404 message, and downforeveryone thinks its fine |
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| 08:40.38 | WormFood | I had my account banned on google, for using proxies (that is what I think it was...I think I triggered some security, because it screwed with all of my accounts) |
| 08:41.05 | WormFood | on my VPN, I don't run all routes over the vpn, so some may appear to originate from USA, and others from China....that may raise some flags |
| 08:41.41 | WormFood | I sent them an email, and they fixed it |
| 08:41.52 | deexenigma | WormFood, fair enough, I wasn't logging in etc. just browsing to that site in particular, i can happily get through to aust, china, russia, and cz fine |
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| 08:42.13 | Iridos | WormFood, http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 08:42.50 | WormFood | there is no chinese google...they closest thing you get is google.hk |
| 08:43.04 | WormFood | thanks Iridos, that is what I was looking for |
| 08:43.43 | Iridos | dont ask me what X:1 is |
| 08:44.08 | deexenigma | WormFood, my apologies, not chinese, japanese, and just pulled up german, I imagine its a connect from my end. |
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| 08:44.33 | WormFood | probably a bad route at the BGP level, or something like that |
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| 08:45.16 | Big_Brother | google.cn shows a linked image to google.hk. |
| 08:45.30 | Big_Brother | well, google.com.hk |
| 08:45.51 | WormFood | in China, google.cn redirects you to google.hk |
| 08:46.21 | Big_Brother | iirc, google shutdown operations in china because of the government's requests to block certain content. |
| 08:46.31 | WormFood | I don't think that was it |
| 08:46.37 | WormFood | I think it was because they were hacked |
| 08:46.41 | WormFood | by the chinese |
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| 08:47.35 | Big_Brother | we're both right. :| |
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| 08:47.56 | Big_Brother | "In Jan 2010, Google announced that in response to a Chinese-originated hacking attack on them and other US tech companies, they were no longer willing to censor searches in China and would pull out of the country completely if necessary." |
| 08:48.32 | Big_Brother | couple months later, google began redirecting searches from google china to google hk. |
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| 08:49.02 | WormFood | where do I get the list of the list of mirrors I can feed to apt-spy with the -w option, or a url for the -u option? |
| 08:49.16 | WormFood | I never used google.cn, except as an example |
| 08:49.51 | WormFood | like google.cn for tiananmen square, and you'd get nothing interesting, but the same search on google.com would get a lot of the "tank man" pictures |
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| 08:50.29 | WormFood | I was teaching english for a while, and I had students that didn't believe that actually happened...of a class of 10 students, 8 hadn't heard of it, and didn't believe it...the other two saw it on tv in hk |
| 08:50.39 | Big_Brother | truth-be-told, I was just throwing in information. |
| 08:51.22 | WormFood | anyways....where do I get a url or list of mirrors to use with apt-spy? |
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| 08:54.23 | WormFood | d'oh, apt-spy has that feature built in, "apt-spy update" |
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| 09:02.37 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: I'm saying there's probably no pont in doing that |
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| 09:04.44 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home confirmed. |
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| 09:09.41 | An_Ony_Moose | I can't apt-get dist-upgrade because after installing a new kernel, os-prober calls umount /var/lib/os-prober/mount which for some reason hangs. Can anyone help? |
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| 09:10.21 | elf | hi guys... i'm doing a "modprobe fuse" (coz s3fs requires fuse to be installed), but i'm getting this error... does anyone know what package needs to be installed or what the fix is? FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 09:16.12 | jelly-home | elf: run depmod -a |
| 09:16.23 | jelly-home | see if it helps |
| 09:16.36 | elf | ah cheers |
| 09:16.53 | elf | ok so that file is there now... but then: FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
| 09:16.58 | elf | hrrm |
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| 09:17.55 | one_user | let me guess, you recompiled the kernel for yourself !? |
| 09:18.24 | elf | nope |
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| 09:20.25 | elf | unless the vps provider did something wird |
| 09:20.27 | elf | weird |
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| 09:32.07 | darkelfjuggalo | ok, I have a built in webcam on my Netbook... my Skype will find it, the webcam's video and picture taking program will find it...but when I try to use a browser based service to access my webcam, my browser cannot find it |
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| 10:10.18 | jelly-home | !ops bitchin` |
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| 10:10.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: bitchin` |
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| 10:39.30 | nio | hello all i need to update the debian respository pls guide |
| 10:39.45 | nio | i am using debian lenny |
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| 10:40.25 | valdyn | nio: /topic |
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| 10:40.55 | _ramo | hi |
| 10:41.02 | _ramo | how can i see which are big files on a parition? |
| 10:41.03 | folivora | nio: You need to upgrade to squeeze.. lennys repos can be found from archive, so you can check depencies before starting the upgrade ... |
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| 10:41.26 | folivora | _ramo: with du |
| 10:41.27 | Woet | nio: lenny is EOL, upgrade before asking questions |
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| 10:41.38 | jozefk | :) |
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| 10:41.48 | nio | are you not supporting lenny |
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| 10:42.04 | Woet | nio: no, it's EOL. |
| 10:42.05 | tremon | nio: Debian is no longer supporting lenny |
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| 10:42.10 | folivora | nio: lenny has End Of Life eq EOL |
| 10:42.21 | Woet | nio: for about 2 months by now |
| 10:42.26 | Woet | nio: upgrade to squeeze. |
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| 10:43.06 | folivora | nio: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html <- fyi |
| 10:43.40 | folivora | nio: tho see with uname which flavour you're running |
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| 11:05.20 | HeXiLeD | tremon after playing with the box and shut it down, the tech support may jave done something and the box now boots from a default provided kernel . however udev seems broken as i cannot get fdisk -l and or mount dev/sda2 . this was upgrade from lenny to squeeze. any suggestions ? |
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| 11:11.34 | tremon | HeXiLeD: only thing I can think of is udev version and kernel version don't play along. You'd need to ask on a specialized channel or the udev mailing list |
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| 11:17.13 | LordDoskias | i'm running squeeze but i want to install a package from unstable, so I have added the unstable repos to my source.list and also have made appropriate changes in /etc/apt/preferences so that only package I specify will be installed from unstable |
| 11:17.33 | LordDoskias | but irrespective of whether I speceify -t unstable with aptitute it always shows the packages from unstable. here is my configuration: http://paste.debian.net/161646/ |
| 11:17.59 | Woet | LordDoskias: because you have "Package: *" ? |
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| 11:18.26 | tremon | LordDoskias: a=squeeze is wrong |
| 11:18.41 | LordDoskias | i got this from here: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Installing/Linux/Debian/Squeeze |
| 11:19.43 | LordDoskias | can you point me to a tutorial explaining what the proper configuration would be? I'm now reading this: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 11:19.52 | LordDoskias | but this guy basically shows the same thiing in his preferences file |
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| 11:20.04 | tremon | LordDoskias: the archive is stable, its name is squeeze. Try with either a=stable or n=squeeze, and verify with apt-cache policy |
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| 11:21.15 | tremon | LordDoskias: and actually, I prefer APT::Default-Release instead of archive-wide pinning |
| 11:21.39 | LordDoskias | tremon, this is beyond me, if you can give me a link i will take a look at it :) |
| 11:21.56 | LordDoskias | you mean instead of * to use APT::Default-Release? |
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| 11:22.35 | LordDoskias | btw it is working onw :D |
| 11:22.36 | LordDoskias | thanks |
| 11:23.30 | tremon | LordDoskias: APT::Default-Release is set in apt.conf, not preferences. It raises the priority of an entire suite to 990 |
| 11:24.04 | LordDoskias | but is it normal that if I want to install say deluge-web from unstable aptitude to require uninstalling all compiler etc and updating them to unstable release? |
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| 11:24.53 | slikts_ | how do I undo the changes from "aptitude build-dep php5"? |
| 11:25.43 | tremon | LordDoskias: many people here will say the premise isn't normal, so there's no telling what might happen. In this case, yes it's normal because testing has been moving to a multiarch architecture. Pulling in a package from unstable will also pull in multiarch-support and the entire C library and toolchain from unstable |
| 11:25.54 | tremon | LordDoskias: hence, why it's not supported or advocated |
| 11:26.34 | jelly-home | slikts_: I don't know of a better way than looking at its output (or logs) and removing all those packages |
| 11:26.35 | LordDoskias | tremon, then is there a way to get a source package from unstable and automatically compile it with whatever i have on the current system? |
| 11:26.39 | tremon | slikts_: aptitude markauto ~sdevel usually does the trick, but may be overly broad. See which packages it will remove and purge them explicitly |
| 11:26.45 | jelly-home | LordDoskias: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:27.10 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport deluge-web |
| 11:27.12 | judd | Backporting package deluge-web in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 11:28.37 | LordDoskias | jelly-home, so it is there? |
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| 11:29.25 | slikts_ | tremon: I used aptitude remove ~sdevel |
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| 11:31.32 | LordDoskias | after i follow the instructions at the backports page and run aptitude update and do "aptitude -t squeeze-backports show deluge-web" as requested on the web site i get: Unable to find an archive "squeeze-backports" for the package "deluge-web" |
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| 11:32.36 | jelly-home | ,versions deluge-web |
| 11:32.37 | judd | Package: deluge-web on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; sid: 1.3.3-2; wheezy: 1.3.3-2; experimental: 1.3.4-1 |
| 11:32.53 | jelly-home | LordDoskias: did you get the private message from dpkg? |
| 11:33.07 | jelly-home | LordDoskias: type /msg dpkg ssb in your irc client. |
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| 11:33.46 | LordDoskias | ok, but i thought there was a backport version but if there isn't i'd go the deb recompile way |
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| 11:35.46 | cali | I got a process in D state, how do I kill it? |
| 11:36.07 | Bartzy | How can I start a init.d script after another init.d script ? |
| 11:36.16 | jelly-home | cali: make the nfs mountpoint or disk it's waiting on, wake up |
| 11:36.17 | Bartzy | or maybe just at the end , after all other init.d scripts have started ? |
| 11:36.32 | cali | jelly-home, it is apache2 in fact. |
| 11:36.34 | jelly-home | cali: you can't kill the process itself. |
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| 11:37.16 | \\z | Hey, I seem to have an issue with apt-get update... I keep getting lots of 404 errors |
| 11:37.24 | \\z | How can I check if my sources are up to date? |
| 11:37.44 | cali | jelly-home, so I have no way but rebooting the machine? |
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| 11:38.23 | jelly-home | cali: again, figure out what the process is hung on, and see if you can make that disk or mount point work again |
| 11:38.47 | cali | jelly-home, well it is apache2, 3 of them. |
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| 11:39.03 | \\z | The links in /etc/apt/sources.list seem to work fine if I access them outside of apt/aptitude |
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| 11:39.35 | tremon | Bartzy: assuming you are using dependency-based boot: check man insserv, you can edit a script's LSB header (preferably copy it to /etc/insserv/overrides) and let insserv update its config |
| 11:39.50 | jelly-home | cali: that's the process. D state means it's doing IO. That IO is going to or from a disk. You need to figure out which disk or which mountpoint is problematic. |
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| 11:40.22 | tremon | \\z: either the mirror you're using is (temporarily) offline, or you're using a release that has been EOL'ed two months ago |
| 11:40.40 | cali | jelly-home, how do I do that? |
| 11:40.58 | Bartzy | tremon: Can't I do it from the init.d script itself ? |
| 11:41.43 | Bartzy | tremon: I Just want it to start after all others |
| 11:41.50 | tremon | Bartzy: sure. But every time the package gets upgraded, dpkg will pester you because it wants to override the modified version |
| 11:42.15 | jelly-home | cali: strace to see which syscall the process is hung on, lsof to see which files it has open, dmesg or /var/log/kern.log to see if the kernel is complaining about problems with mountpoints or block devices. |
| 11:42.16 | tremon | err... s/override/overwrite/ |
| 11:42.47 | cali | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 11:43.38 | jelly-home | cali: common causes are problems with NFS or fuse-based mount points. Less common, block device ("disk") issues. |
| 11:43.40 | cali | jelly-home, lsof hangs as well. |
| 11:43.51 | jelly-home | yeah, that can happen |
| 11:43.56 | jelly-home | reboot |
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| 11:44.52 | seblabel | hey! |
| 11:44.53 | jelly-home | cali: if your machine is a VM, problems in the host system can show as block devices going weird in guests |
| 11:45.02 | cali | jelly-home, no it is not a VM. |
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| 11:45.17 | cali | jelly-home, I think it does that because I have upgraded a lot of things and still haven't rebooted it. |
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| 11:50.03 | chris_99 | hi, is there a way to get debian to run with <64M RAM |
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| 11:50.27 | tremon | chris_99: even the installer requires at least 64 (iirc) |
| 11:51.16 | chris_99 | ah, this is for a VM, i've installed it already with a largeish amount of RAM |
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| 11:51.47 | tremon | chris_99: why would you contrict a vm like that? |
| 11:52.30 | chris_99 | i need to run an experiment with different ammounts of RAM |
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| 11:53.30 | tremon | chris_99: 64 is likely going to be your lower bound |
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| 11:53.55 | chris_99 | darn :( |
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| 11:57.33 | alex- | I'm running a host OS for OpenVZ or Xen virtualisation, any way to make this one secure? |
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| 11:58.04 | alex- | Since I'll only be running SSH (port 22), SFTP (port 22), and https (port 443), I don't need to open that much ports in the firewall |
| 11:59.19 | HeXiLeD | why idea why i get this df: `/nfs': No such file or directory df: `/power': No such file or directory when i do : df -h ? |
| 11:59.39 | Bartzy | tremon: That's fine by me - but how do I do it in the init.d script ? :\ |
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| 12:03.22 | tremon | HeXiLeD: because your provider is giving you a half-broken kernel |
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| 12:03.55 | jelly-home | chris_99: you can probably boot a base system with 64MB, but don't expect to be able to upgrade it in reasonable amounts of time. |
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| 12:04.29 | HeXiLeD | tremon could it be for lack of any needed packages ? |
| 12:04.38 | jelly-home | chris_99: if you took an older release like Debian 3.0, with a 2.4 kernel, it might be more usable |
| 12:05.05 | Bartzy | tremon? :) |
| 12:05.31 | tremon | HeXiLeD: not likely, df is asking the kernel about currently active mountpoints. If those mountpoints don't exist, the kernel is lying |
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| 12:05.59 | tremon | Bartzy: have you found the LSB info block at the beginning of every init script? |
| 12:06.33 | Bartzy | tremon: Yes. |
| 12:06.42 | Bartzy | tremon: I want a specific init.d script to start after all else |
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| 12:07.38 | chris_99 | yeah i might have to do that jelly-home |
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| 12:07.59 | chris_99 | although the latest debian seemed to run ok with 64M i need to go below that ideally |
| 12:08.23 | tremon | Bartzy: check stop-bootlogd, that does the same |
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| 12:08.36 | HeXiLeD | i sent them a few screenshots. i am also now going to use just one partition to host everything and i think i can have it running. then fix mysql , get a more recent backup and thenn.. for the price i pay for atom cpu ; might as well host this myself like i used to have. the question i am dwelling is hosting this on a box/tower or laptop atom. i have my a 4 TB .3.2 ghz dual core 4gb ram doing other th |
| 12:08.37 | HeXiLeD | ings. |
| 12:09.05 | Bartzy | tremon: What is stop-bootlogd? Where do I find it ? |
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| 12:10.48 | noob_at_work | Hi guys, I hope you can help me. Whenever I run my update manager in Debian Stable 6.0.4 and there are updates the following occurs: I click install updates and it proceeds to install then I get 3 messages "An error ocurred the installation was aborted installed post installation skript gave the value 127" the second popup is "An error ocurred and downloading was aborted install Archives() failed the third one is "1 update installed Your |
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| 12:23.47 | r4co0n | hello. i have a problem with installing new extensions to gnome3 on a wheezy netbook. trying trough iceweasel, i can only de- and reactivate existing plugins, some of which being already installed trough for me now longer working platform at extensions.gnome.org . please help me fix this |
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| 12:31.58 | lduros | hi, I like to create a debian package for my personal use and for learning purposes. I would like to create it so that the directory is installed in /usr/lib/ -- I'm trying to find a tutorial on how to do this with chroot |
| 12:31.59 | lduros | thanks |
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| 12:35.02 | injureddeer | if i have 2 debian pc, how can i send msg from 1 (server) to 2 (desktop) for example as noticy ? |
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| 12:36.00 | alex- | Is there any way to give a user less permissions? e.g. to not let him do wget or something |
| 12:38.02 | nevyn | injureddeer: noticy? |
| 12:38.33 | daniel-s_ | hi, what's the command to refresh time from a time server? |
| 12:38.46 | daniel-s_ | my clock isn't adjusting for daylight savings |
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| 12:40.46 | dekatch | daniel-s google ntp server? |
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| 12:43.04 | nkuttler | !ntp |
| 12:43.04 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 12:43.13 | rdz | hi all. is it a problem if a cronjob does not return immediately, but lets say only after an hour? does cron handle that? |
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| 12:51.14 | seblabel | hey |
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| 12:51.45 | seblabel | i would like to know what driver is used by xorg on my laptop antiquity |
| 12:51.52 | seblabel | how can i do that ? |
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| 12:53.20 | jelly-home | rdz: cron doesn't care. However if you're asking whether cron will refrain from running the same job again if the first is not finished? It won't. |
| 12:53.45 | rdz | jelly-home, thanks.. that's even good then.... |
| 12:54.01 | jelly-home | rdz: * * * * * sleep 3600 # you will have 59-60 jobs running at the same time |
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| 12:54.18 | rdz | i see |
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| 13:04.33 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 13:04.46 | HardDisk_WP | i got a sh*tload of files named ps.TIMESTAMP.txt |
| 13:04.47 | HardDisk_WP | now i want to grep for the first textfile, sorted by timestamp, which contains "perl" |
| 13:05.01 | HardDisk_WP | how do I do this? |
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| 13:07.25 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: tricky, because you have to parse the dates out of the string. |
| 13:07.45 | HardDisk_WP | phogg, shouldn't a alphabetical sort help? |
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| 13:08.01 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: maybe. What's the format of TIMESTAMP? |
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| 13:08.26 | HardDisk_WP | YYMMDDHHMM |
| 13:08.26 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: and would it be okay to update the text files such that their filesystem modification time equals TIMESTAMP at the end? |
| 13:08.41 | HardDisk_WP | that's a copied dataset from a wiped machine |
| 13:09.14 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: in that case a purely numeric sort would do, yes? find . -name 'ps*txt' | sort -t. -k2 # something like that |
| 13:09.16 | HardDisk_WP | unfortunately the copy process involved a fat32 usb stick, somewhere in the transfer the file times got messed up |
| 13:09.33 | phogg | but we could fix them, you see |
| 13:09.42 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 13:10.31 | HardDisk_WP | but the main question is how do I then grep correctly? |
| 13:10.58 | HardDisk_WP | grep -rni perl . gives me a ton of lines containing perl, like "./ps.1203301230.txt:114:20005 14596 0.3 0.3 46016 12888 ? S Mär27 11:44 perl |
| 13:10.58 | HardDisk_WP | " |
| 13:11.10 | HardDisk_WP | the problem is that the output is not sorted |
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| 13:12.44 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: look at sort -k and -t |
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| 13:12.50 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 13:13.30 | Hans_Henrik | using gnome+vino vnc server, this is the second time it has happend, last time i fixed it by rebooting the server. There is no keyboard connected to the physical computer at all (there is just a net-cable and a power supply connected.); After a few hours, the server gets stuck on CAPS LOCK. then after a few minutes, SHIFT button gets stuck. i cant get it off.. any idea what i can do to turn off caps-lock/shift? |
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| 13:14.13 | Rydekull | have you tried holding it in for a few seconds? |
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| 13:15.21 | Hans_Henrik | if 5 seconds count, yes, tried it with both buttons. |
| 13:15.24 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: you can update the file's modification time this way: while IFS= read -r -d '\n' file ; do ts=$(cut -d. -f2<<<"$file") ; touch "$file" -t "${ts:0:10}.${ts:10}" ; done < <(grep perl whatever) |
| 13:15.28 | HardDisk_WP | perfect, the hacker process was started at 2134 |
| 13:15.33 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: approximately, ymmv |
| 13:16.17 | HardDisk_WP | now lets check for the apache logs which wordpress was outdated this time -.- |
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| 13:16.28 | phogg | ah, except .${ts:10} should be omitted |
| 13:16.33 | phogg | since your timestamp is to the minute only |
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| 13:17.15 | christia1 | Hi, we have some services running on different systems (Redime, Databases, SOAP Services, WebApps, Java Backends, ...). Could someone suggest me a tool to monitor these tools? |
| 13:17.55 | Rapid2214 | christia1: What are the actual services? MySQL? Apache? |
| 13:17.56 | phogg | christia1: depends on what type of monitoring you need, but nagios is a common choice |
| 13:18.19 | phogg | for your case some assembly would be required |
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| 13:19.02 | Rapid2214 | I also use Zabbix - which take abit to setup bit is rather featureful |
| 13:19.21 | lduros | hello -- trying to learn to create deb packages. I've just created a package using equivs-control and equivs-build, with a single file in the Files line as follows: myFile /usr/lib/my-package/myFile -- now, I was trying to make a symlink as /usr/bin/myFile for /usr/lib/my-package/myFile -- how would I do that? |
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| 13:23.17 | Rix | how can i reset my lan card (device) |
| 13:23.21 | Rix | i want to restart it |
| 13:24.15 | phogg | Rix: ifdown? |
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| 13:26.03 | Rix | phogg will this start it after taking the interface down |
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| 13:31.33 | marsfligth | Does 'umount' empty the trash on removable devices while it 'umount' the file system/volume? |
| 13:32.26 | uabn93 | noob q: is there a difference between debian an ubuntu in terms of free as in freedom software? |
| 13:32.54 | uabn93 | doesnt debian have a nonfree repo? |
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| 13:38.01 | HeXiLeD | any ideas about the event scheduler error ? http://dpaste.com/725248/ When upgrading from lenny to squeeze and my sql from 5.0 to 5.1 |
| 13:38.22 | marsfligth | Does 'umount' command to empties the trash on removable devices while it is executing? Or to empty the trash i have to use 'rm' or some specific tool? |
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| 13:43.02 | seby | ciao a tutti |
| 13:43.40 | frostschutz | marsfligth: linux doesnt really have a concept of trash. if you have a file manager that moves things into a trashcan folder instead of deleting them, then they are not deleted, and umount does not delete them |
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| 13:47.43 | einyx | any sponsor online? :) |
| 13:49.08 | marsfligth | frostschutz: I asked beacuse 'Nutilus', when umounts a removable volume ask alway for empty the trash, but in my case even pressing 'clean the trsh' button, it crashes and close itself |
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| 13:49.42 | frostschutz | marsfligth: I know nothing about nautilus so I can't help, sorry :) |
| 13:50.17 | marsfligth | np, frostschutz. Thaks anyway for the help |
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| 13:55.21 | wooy | Hi, `netstat -tlnp` returns for a process this local address: :::80 Not sure what it means - localhost? equivalent to 0.0.0.0? |
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| 14:06.35 | wooy | ah got it, the latter... |
| 14:06.38 | frostschutz | wooy: in ipv6, zeroes can be abbreviated as :: |
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| 14:07.11 | wooy | frostschutz, thx got it. it is eqivalent to 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 14:07.14 | wooy | thx |
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| 14:08.20 | Jasutin | hey guys, I'm having trouble setting up my wireless interface on Debian. The wiki advises using "network-manager-gnome," but when I try to use aptitude install network-manager-gnome, it tells me there's no such package |
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| 14:15.08 | dvs | ,versions network-manager-gnome |
| 14:15.09 | judd | Package: network-manager-gnome on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.2.0-2; sid: 0.9.4.1-1 |
| 14:15.44 | einyx | searching a mentor! |
| 14:16.59 | Woet | einyx: #debian-mentors |
| 14:17.16 | Woet | i believe |
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| 14:17.26 | Woet | and debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:21.36 | Araewuir | Hi |
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| 14:21.42 | Araewuir | I need help please |
| 14:21.48 | Jasutin | yea, they all pretty much tell me the same thing |
| 14:21.49 | dvs | !ask |
| 14:21.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:21.57 | Jasutin | I need to get network-manager-gnome |
| 14:22.02 | Araewuir | To install debian from a USB |
| 14:22.03 | Jasutin | but I can't install it with aptitude install |
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| 14:22.29 | dvs | Jasutin: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list using paste.debian.org |
| 14:22.34 | Jasutin | k |
| 14:22.52 | Araewuir | But it doesn't work if I just let the iso, nor if I copy its content on the USB |
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| 14:24.45 | dvs | Araewuir: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
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| 14:25.21 | Araewuir | Ok, thx a lot ^^ |
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| 14:30.22 | Jasutin | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/161671/ |
| 14:30.39 | Jasutin | there's my sources.list |
| 14:31.46 | dvs | Jasutin: for starters, lines 7 and 16 need to be uncommented and line 4 needs to be commented |
| 14:32.08 | adrian15 | My route problem once again: http://paste.debian.net/161610/ . I hope Rydekull does not angry at me. I actually had some videocard problems. Now the systems seems to be quite stable. Thank you if you can give me any clues. |
| 14:33.00 | dvs | Jasutin: This line needs to be added: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 14:42.18 | weeky | hello, how can i make my ethernet to work on 1Gb ? I have all equipment for 1Gb, but is working at 100mbps. |
| 14:43.01 | dvs | weeky: cat 6 cable? |
| 14:43.16 | alex- | weeky: are you sure you have all the equipment? |
| 14:43.17 | weeky | sure |
| 14:43.27 | alex- | weeky: 1 Gb router, cat5e or cat6 cable |
| 14:43.31 | alex- | 1 Gb networkcard |
| 14:43.39 | weeky | sure i have all equpment, i have 3 pc's and this debian pc is not working at 1gb |
| 14:43.44 | alex- | and how do you know it's working at 100 ? |
| 14:44.20 | weeky | on my router i have 2 colours when a pc is connected (orange for 100mbps and green for 1gb) |
| 14:44.27 | alex- | ah |
| 14:44.30 | weeky | *switch |
| 14:44.39 | alex- | try another cable / port |
| 14:45.13 | weeky | i tryed all posibility, bot this debian pc is connecting only at 100 |
| 14:45.50 | weeky | i change cables, eth cards ... only explication is a "setting" |
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| 14:47.18 | weeky | how can i see cards speed on my debian system ? |
| 14:47.45 | Rapid2214 | weeky: mii-tool |
| 14:48.03 | Rapid2214 | weeky: That will show the current speed its running at |
| 14:48.05 | dvs | weeky: ip link |
| 14:48.22 | weeky | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 14:48.32 | alex- | lol |
| 14:48.40 | weeky | ? |
| 14:48.52 | alex- | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 14:48.52 | alex- | no MII interfaces found |
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| 14:49.29 | weeky | drivers problem ? |
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| 14:49.43 | alex- | dunno |
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| 14:50.16 | alex- | debhelper: what is kanaalgrens? |
| 14:50.21 | alex- | debhelper: and why did you put it to 1254? |
| 14:50.31 | alex- | anyone knows how I cna solve my problem? |
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| 14:51.12 | po_taka | i have problem with sound. I can 'listen' only 1 program at time. Eg: i play video on youtube, some 1 skype me; video end and then i hear skype beep. Where i should look for solution ? |
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| 14:53.34 | Jasutin | dvs: Okay, I've added that line, commented out 4 and uncommented lines 7 and 16. Anything else I need to do? I still seem to be having the same problem. |
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| 14:53.53 | dvs | Jasutin: aptitude update |
| 14:54.23 | alex- | any way to check my internet speed? |
| 14:54.26 | alex- | with cli? |
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| 14:54.47 | Jasutin | dvs: can't resolve ftp.debian.org or ftp.us.debian.org |
| 14:55.18 | dvs | Jasutin: Can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 14:55.44 | Jasutin | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 14:56.00 | dvs | Jasutin: There is something wrong with your network. |
| 14:56.33 | Jasutin | I thought that's what network manager was for. :P |
| 14:56.49 | Jasutin | does debian have some other gui built-in that can detect/connect to networks? |
| 14:56.55 | Jasutin | or am I stuck doing this a different way |
| 14:58.00 | dvs | Jasutin: You can configure the /etc/network/interfaces file manually if wireless-tools and wpasupplicant is installed already |
| 15:01.06 | alex- | any way to check my internet speed? |
| 15:01.07 | alex- | with cli? |
| 15:01.42 | frostschutz | wget some linux iso image and see how fast it goes? |
| 15:02.25 | alex- | frostschutz: but how can i be sure the other server isn't slow? |
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| 15:05.09 | lduros | what would I need to do for a link to create a symlink in a debian rules file? |
| 15:05.56 | lduros | here is what my rules file looks like now: http://paste.debian.net/161679/ |
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| 15:11.18 | damiano | hi all. are businesscards ido broken? i would like to install debian sid but while following the steps of the program i get this error on menu "installing base system": "release file invalid: no voice for main/binary-i386/Packages", same on another amd64 pc |
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| 15:11.29 | damiano | businesscards iso* |
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| 15:12.13 | dekatch | first of all its an OS not an programm |
| 15:12.20 | dekatch | OS= Operating System |
| 15:13.09 | damiano | while following the steps of the installation program, thanks |
| 15:13.54 | dekatch | do you have the righht architectur? |
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| 15:14.04 | dekatch | tried to redownload it? |
| 15:14.16 | dekatch | are the hash files ok? |
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| 15:15.15 | damiano | i should check |
| 15:15.29 | alex- | how can I check my internet speed? |
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| 15:16.05 | po_taka | alex-: (06:04:08 PM) frostschutz: wget some linux iso image and see how fast it goes? |
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| 15:16.17 | gnugr | damiano:why not a netinst image which requires no network to install? |
| 15:16.22 | alex- | po_taka: <alex-> frostschutz: but how can i be sure the other server isn't slow? |
| 15:16.43 | po_taka | alex-: ask friend to check is it OK |
| 15:17.12 | dekatch | po_taka that doesnt show you how fast your internet is! if your source only allows up to 100Mbit and you get 1000Mbit then you will know why |
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| 15:17.35 | alex- | po_taka: what dekatch said |
| 15:17.50 | alex- | po_taka: my friend will also have 100Mbit |
| 15:17.53 | alex- | on that server |
| 15:17.58 | mooperd | hello. I have a socks proxy working quite nicely so I can route all my trafic via my server in my home country wherever I am in the world. I would like to share that socks server to my collegues but it doesn't seem to swing. any ideas? I am currently using the command ssh -D*:2000 -g root@31.3.x.x |
| 15:18.20 | po_taka | use 1Gb server |
| 15:18.43 | alex- | po_taka: how do I know which one is a 1Gb server?\ |
| 15:18.54 | alex- | po_taka: and how do I know it isn't under load that it will only give 100 Mbps? |
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| 15:18.58 | dekatch | alex why do you dont ask your ISP? |
| 15:19.11 | alex- | dekatch: they say 100 Mbps |
| 15:19.17 | alex- | dekatch: but I want to be sure since it's a VPS |
| 15:19.24 | dekatch | there are also some websites available which check your internet speed |
| 15:19.26 | po_taka | speedtest servers are usually 1Gb |
| 15:19.35 | alex- | how can i do speedtest over cli? |
| 15:19.36 | NiLon | speedtest.net works for me |
| 15:19.39 | dekatch | but then you need x installed |
| 15:19.56 | mooperd | dekatch: not all of x |
| 15:20.01 | dekatch | i would avoid this on a vps |
| 15:20.24 | mooperd | for xforwarding you just need a little bit of x |
| 15:20.51 | alex- | and then I still need to install flash |
| 15:20.52 | alex- | and a GUI |
| 15:20.54 | alex- | and firefox |
| 15:20.56 | dekatch | alex, its an vps? then your 100% on a shared 100mbit switch |
| 15:20.56 | frostschutz | alex-: if its a server you could seed an interesting torrent (e.g. new ubuntu when it comes out 27th of april?), something lots of people download, and see how fast it sends stuff out... ;) |
| 15:21.12 | dekatch | you will get mostly 80Mbit,,, i guess |
| 15:21.17 | alex- | dekatch: yes, but I want to see the network load, since the server isn't used very much |
| 15:21.28 | NiLon | freexxx.torrent and share it at reddit |
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| 15:21.48 | frostschutz | alex-: to answer your other question, you never know if another server is talking to you at full speed; but if all servers are slow for you its probably you |
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| 15:21.58 | alex- | hmm |
| 15:22.02 | alex- | How can I check? |
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| 15:23.24 | dekatch | <alex->dekatch: yes, but I want to see the network load, since the server isn't used very much: |
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| 15:23.31 | dekatch | you cant know |
| 15:23.33 | po_taka | alex-: make 10 tests on 10 different servers, all are slow = you are the problem |
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| 15:23.42 | mooperd | Alex. you can but two virtual machines and see how fast they can talk to each other? |
| 15:23.55 | chaser12 | When commenting out a line, Do you need to have a space after "#" for proper syntax? |
| 15:24.23 | dekatch | no |
| 15:24.38 | chaser12 | dekatch: thanks |
| 15:24.42 | alex- | mooperd: but this means I'll have to buy another VPS |
| 15:25.22 | mooperd | alex-: you could put a webserver on the virtual machine and get your friends to hammer it with a web server benchmark for 24 hours so you can get an accurate graph of the available bandwidth |
| 15:25.33 | alex- | hmm |
| 15:25.40 | alex- | how to do web server benchmarks? |
| 15:26.08 | alex- | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 15:26.08 | alex- | no MII interfaces found |
| 15:26.13 | mooperd | alex-: press the refresh button lots and lots |
| 15:26.39 | alex- | ah |
| 15:26.43 | alex- | how can i do mii-tool? |
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| 15:26.47 | mooperd | You have to have really good freinds for that |
| 15:27.18 | mooperd | alex-: what are you going to be doing that saturates a 100mbit connection? |
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| 15:27.40 | alex- | mooperd: nothing, i just want to check the speeds |
| 15:27.47 | mooperd | alex-: why? |
| 15:27.59 | alex- | mooperd: why not? |
| 15:29.28 | mooperd | You could drink beer and pistolwhip ethnic minorities instead. Its probably more fun than benchmarking internet connections. |
| 15:29.51 | WormFood | http://freenode.net/privacy_change.html big changes coming to freenode |
| 15:29.55 | mooperd | just buy the vps. install flash and use speedtest.net. |
| 15:30.03 | mooperd | then uninstall flash |
| 15:30.29 | WormFood | that speedtest thing you can install on your server, is pretty cool. I've installed it on my server. The only downside is you have to keep it updated, or it will quit working. |
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| 15:31.01 | dekatch | WormFood there is nothing to install, just open a website and run speed test |
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| 15:31.25 | WormFood | dekatch, and how are you supposed to install it on your server? |
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| 15:32.07 | WormFood | unless by "open a website", you mean, get a server, and install the speed test thingy on it |
| 15:32.08 | dekatch | but, to prevent all of that really unimportant crap! just download an netinstall from debian |
| 15:32.23 | alex- | is debian server 1000? |
| 15:32.27 | Jasutin | what exactly is installing debian just off of CD1 alone giving you? |
| 15:32.29 | dekatch | thats around 150MB and you will see you 8 to 12 Mega Bytes per second |
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| 15:32.37 | dekatch | ALEX YOU ON A SHARED 100MBIT SWITCH |
| 15:32.40 | dekatch | you dont need 1000 |
| 15:32.42 | dekatch | sry caos |
| 15:32.44 | dekatch | caps |
| 15:32.45 | Jasutin | I don't seem to have a c compiler, networkmanager, or anything |
| 15:32.49 | alex- | true but on my new server i am |
| 15:32.50 | Jasutin | which is making things really difficult on me |
| 15:32.51 | alex- | on 1000 |
| 15:32.53 | WormFood | Jasutin, based on the popularity package, the put the most popular packages on the first CDs |
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| 15:33.32 | frostschutz | alex-: check ifconfig / ethtool what it negotiated with |
| 15:33.58 | alex- | frostschutz: what? |
| 15:34.02 | Jasutin | WormFood: does it come with a c compiler by default/ is it supposed to? |
| 15:34.16 | WormFood | hahaha...I'm sure it does not |
| 15:34.25 | Jasutin | :| |
| 15:34.28 | WormFood | at least, not on the 1st CD |
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| 15:34.38 | dekatch | that reminds me on kids with their first vps,,, omg 100Mbit need speedtest wooaahahah 12MB per second whooaaa this is like pr0n |
| 15:34.42 | mooperd | exit |
| 15:34.43 | mooperd | exit |
| 15:34.44 | WormFood | and do you mean "DVD", when you say "CD", or are you really working with CDs? |
| 15:34.48 | mooperd | \exit |
| 15:34.57 | frostschutz | alex-: ethtool eth0. what does it say for speed, duplex, ... |
| 15:35.05 | Jasutin | well, I installed it on a usb stick.. but I'm pretty sure it was the CD |
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| 15:35.34 | Jasutin | it's just giving me a whole host of problems right now. |
| 15:35.39 | WormFood | I have a usb stick that can hold a double layer DVD...so a "usb stick" does not mean much |
| 15:36.00 | WormFood | change hosts then |
| 15:36.07 | WormFood | :P |
| 15:36.11 | WormFood | if only it was that easy |
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| 15:36.39 | Jasutin | it's definitely the CD |
| 15:36.47 | Jasutin | I don't have a flash drive big enough to hold the DVD right now |
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| 15:36.54 | WormFood | yeah, you're gonna be very limited with that |
| 15:36.57 | Jasutin | and it's only disc 1 |
| 15:37.00 | Jasutin | hum.. |
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| 15:37.10 | WormFood | I suggest you invest in a bigger usb flash disk, since they're so freakin' cheap now. |
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| 15:37.12 | Arafangion | I'm having difficulty with kgpg. When I select a key and set it as 'trust fully', the key is still regarded as trusted. |
| 15:37.21 | Arafangion | How do I specify that I trust a key? |
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| 15:38.17 | Jasutin | well, I'll try it |
| 15:38.21 | Jasutin | hope I'm not wasting my time :P |
| 15:38.26 | Jasutin | these problems are redundant, though |
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| 15:38.44 | Jasutin | it's telling me I can't install gcc because I don't already have it |
| 15:38.46 | Jasutin | bit of a headache |
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| 15:40.38 | oskie | is there a command to automatically install debian build dependencies? |
| 15:41.10 | daemonkeeper | apt-get build-dep sourcepackage |
| 15:41.15 | oskie | thanks! |
| 15:41.39 | LinuxGuy20091 | Hello I have manually downloaded a few hundred packages that I have made into a trivial repository on my NAS box and access them via FTP in sources.list. However I really would like to organize them into a proper pool structure. What tool can accomplish this? |
| 15:42.25 | daemonkeeper | !reprepro |
| 15:42.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages. http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>. |
| 15:43.16 | LinuxGuy20091 | daemonkeeper: Thank you. |
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| 15:48.12 | hesco_home | No matter which apt command I use seems I only get: |
| 15:48.12 | hesco_home | Err http://http.us.debian.org lenny/main netselect 0.3.ds1-12.1 |
| 15:48.12 | hesco_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.12 | hesco_home | Tried to install netselect-apt, only to see the same error again. |
| 15:48.12 | hesco_home | Can someone please help? |
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| 15:51.22 | hesco_home | I'm seeking help in circumventing apt-* errors of the form: Err http://http.us.debian.org lenny/main netselect 0.3.ds1-12.1; 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 15:51.41 | daemonkeeper | hesco_home: -^ topic |
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| 15:54.02 | hesco_home | Well thanks daemonkeeper: but that all sounds like plenty of risk to assume for a production server. |
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| 15:54.20 | daemonkeeper | hesco_home: It's a greater risk to use unsupported software |
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| 15:56.07 | hesco_home | I have a short and rapidly closing window today to get the deed done. I've come to trust debian but the risks, if encountered would ruin my whole month. |
| 15:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | Terrible, terrible DOOM!!! I tell you if you keep using lenny a day beyond support. |
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| 15:57.19 | daemonkeeper | hesco_home: What shall I say? It's not Lenny's EOL came entirely unexpected. |
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| 15:58.36 | hesco_home | sounds like I need to schedule an upgrade for another weekend then. |
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| 15:59.30 | Arafangion | Times used to be that people complained that debian wasn't updating fast enough. |
| 15:59.35 | hesco_home | did not seem like that long since I had built this server, you'd hope to get more than two years out of the effort. |
| 16:00.12 | daemonkeeper | hesco_home: You got 3. |
| 16:01.25 | Arafangion | It was released in Feb 2009. |
| 16:01.30 | alex- | Another nice distro: #openmediavault |
| 16:01.31 | alex- | Based on debian |
| 16:01.42 | NiLon | I wonder if upgrading to squeeze requires a reboot |
| 16:01.50 | Arafangion | NiLon: Yes. |
| 16:01.55 | NiLon | crap |
| 16:02.03 | nkuttler | hesco_home: upgrading debian goes usually very smoothly. i think the only major problem i've ever seen was with a sendmail install (i didn't maintain) |
| 16:02.05 | daemonkeeper | NiLon: Yes. Obviously you need a reboot to boot into the new kernel. |
| 16:02.20 | alex- | Force reboot? |
| 16:02.25 | alex- | Or can you wait with rebooting? |
| 16:02.31 | Arafangion | Squeeze relies on udev. |
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| 16:03.08 | alex- | Does upgrading needs downtime? |
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| 16:03.25 | hesco_home | only if it goes wrong. |
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| 16:03.33 | nkuttler | alex-: if it's critical for you test on a different machine |
| 16:03.35 | daemonkeeper | For the reboot only. Some services may be down during the upgrade itself. |
| 16:03.37 | dvs | hesco_home: That's what backups are for |
| 16:03.58 | alex- | Knaldgas: hoi |
| 16:04.01 | nkuttler | and you need to reboot, yeah, restart some services etc. so a few seconds of downtime will happen |
| 16:04.01 | alex- | nkuttler: ah |
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| 16:04.11 | hesco_home | restoring backups is not a trivial, lets squeeze this into to our Sunday afternoon plans thing. |
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| 16:04.36 | alex- | What is the best backup software? |
| 16:04.39 | dvs | clears his calendar |
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| 16:04.46 | nkuttler | alex-: i like backuppc |
| 16:04.54 | alex- | is it cli? |
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| 16:04.58 | Arafangion | hesco_home: Then your backups need to be fixed. Incidentally, you can still access the archive, iirc. |
| 16:04.58 | hesco_home | alex: would depend on what and how much you are backing up. |
| 16:05.05 | alex- | Uh I dunno |
| 16:05.08 | nkuttler | alex-: there's a web ui as well you can use |
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| 16:05.17 | daemonkeeper | hesco_home: You want to subscribe to debian-(devel-)announce by the way. |
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| 16:05.58 | hesco_home | I mostly use some combination of tar, gunzip, mysqldump, pg_dump and rsync myself |
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| 16:06.12 | hesco_home | daemonkeeper: apparently. |
| 16:06.30 | Arafangion | hesco_home: Also, lenny is now 'oldstable', see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable for (some) more information. |
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| 16:06.55 | alex- | eh, I did ctrl z when installing a package |
| 16:06.57 | alex- | any way to continue it? |
| 16:07.07 | Arafangion | alex-: In bash? |
| 16:07.10 | dvs | alex-: fg? |
| 16:07.20 | daemonkeeper | Arafangion: No. Lenny was oldstable for the entire last year. It's nothing but dead now. |
| 16:07.25 | alex- | dv_: fg?? |
| 16:07.27 | alex- | Arafangion: yes |
| 16:07.32 | nkuttler | Arafangion: lenny is obsolete |
| 16:07.33 | Arafangion | deadalnix: That page points to the archive, though. |
| 16:07.35 | alex- | dvs: thanks |
| 16:07.37 | dvs | Arafangion: lenny is no longer on the mirrors |
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| 16:08.01 | dvs | np |
| 16:08.29 | Jayrays | how do I configure my wireless connection if I don't have networkmanager? |
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| 16:09.14 | dvs | Jayrays: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 16:09.20 | Arafangion | dvs: It might still be beneficial to access a lenny repo, though, in order to use the latest lenny before the update to squeeze. |
| 16:09.33 | Knaldgas | alex-: Hi :) |
| 16:09.42 | alex- | What is the best backup method? |
| 16:09.50 | alex- | Knaldgas: dutch? |
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| 16:09.57 | dvs | Arafangion: True. They should update lenny before moving onto squeeze |
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| 16:10.03 | Knaldgas | Danish |
| 16:10.09 | alex- | ah |
| 16:10.14 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.14 | alex- | ibilities. Quitting... |
| 16:10.14 | alex- | invoke-rc.d: initscript backuppc, action "start" failed. |
| 16:10.14 | alex- | dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van backuppc (--configure): |
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| 16:10.16 | dpkg | alex-: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 16:10.25 | alex- | Hmm |
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| 16:10.33 | alex- | Anyone knows what's wrong? |
| 16:10.39 | alex- | ?> |
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| 16:10.58 | Arafangion | 02:10 <dpkg> alex-: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 16:11.24 | alex-_ | Uh I can't join the channel anymore on my other client. |
| 16:11.24 | alex-_ | Why? |
| 16:11.31 | alex- | uh |
| 16:11.33 | alex- | ah it works again |
| 16:11.36 | alex- | Anyone knows what's wrong? |
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| 16:12.13 | Arafangion | alex-: Did you read the error message? |
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| 16:12.55 | alex- | Anyone knows what's wrong? |
| 16:13.07 | alex- | Arafangion: yes i did |
| 16:13.16 | Arafangion | alex-: Did you do what it said? |
| 16:13.47 | alex- | Arafangion: i'll try sth else |
| 16:13.51 | alex- | other software |
| 16:13.52 | alex- | lol |
| 16:13.54 | alex- | erm |
| 16:14.00 | alex- | What is a good backup tool? |
| 16:14.21 | alex- | To backup my home dir |
| 16:14.42 | Arafangion | gets to bed. |
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| 16:14.54 | alex- | ? |
| 16:14.56 | alex- | damn |
| 16:14.59 | alex- | i don't receive messages |
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| 16:15.04 | Bartzy | How do I setup a init.d script to run after all other init.d scripts ? |
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| 16:15.56 | Jayrays | what does it mean if I use iwlist scan and it says: "wlan0 doesn't support scanning : Network is down" |
| 16:16.06 | dondelelcaro | Jayrays: it means that wlan0 is down |
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| 16:16.15 | alex- | Sorry got disconnected |
| 16:16.18 | alex- | anyone said something? |
| 16:16.22 | alex- | Because of the kick I got problems |
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| 16:18.23 | somiaj | Jayrays: ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 16:34.57 | po_taka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.14 | somiaj | po_taka: you need some sort of software mixing since your card doesn't have hardware mixing |
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| 16:36.29 | somiaj | po_taka: do you use a custom .asoundrc (by default alsa should be using dmix -- software mixing for alsa) |
| 16:37.18 | somiaj | many people like to use pulseaudio, and that will work provided all of your apps know how to talk/use pulseaudio |
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| 16:40.42 | LayBot | recommends pulseaudio |
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| 16:44.33 | Cscope | i want to disable the file indexing service/daemon that comes with squeeze by default, is there a command line i can type to switch that from boot to disabled, or so? |
| 16:45.34 | ksk | hey guys. will there not be openvz in wheezy? right now its not in the testing repo, afair. |
| 16:47.21 | noname001 | hi I am having some problems with terminator |
| 16:47.29 | alex- | ksk: #openvz |
| 16:47.32 | noname001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.40 | noname001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.47 | noname001 | ImportError: No module named terminatorlib.optionparse |
| 16:47.58 | noname001 | any ideas what this could cause the problem |
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| 16:48.09 | noname001 | I think it has somethign to do with python devs |
| 16:48.10 | somiaj | Cscope: what file indexing service? I can't think of one that is default or what you mean? |
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| 16:49.02 | somiaj | noname001: that doens't even look like a debian package. What software are you installing in /usr/local? |
| 16:49.07 | daemonkeeper | ksk: OpenVZ and Vserver were dropped in Wheezy. |
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| 16:49.15 | ksk | daemonkeeper: thanks |
| 16:49.24 | noname001 | terminator |
| 16:49.31 | noname001 | not a debian package |
| 16:49.31 | noname001 | ? |
| 16:49.49 | daemonkeeper | ksk: Use something more modern likeheezy |
| 16:49.53 | somiaj | noname001: I have no clue how you installed something in /usr/local but it isn't from a default debian package. Where did you get this software you installed. |
| 16:50.01 | daemonkeeper | ksk: Use something more modern like Xen, KVM, lxc. |
| 16:50.18 | noname001 | apt-get install terminator |
| 16:50.21 | noname001 | debian repo |
| 16:50.47 | themill | noname001: look carefully at your error message -- no debian package puts things in /usr/local |
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| 16:51.52 | somiaj | hmm, strange can't seem to find that package on packages.debian.org yet it is in my apt-cache |
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| 16:52.31 | dvs | somiaj: Maybe it's a shape-shifing terminator? ;-P |
| 16:52.36 | daemonkeeper | Mostly because packages.d.o is currently down. |
| 16:53.24 | dvs | daemonkeeper: Ah, that's why my package lookups are failing |
| 16:53.39 | Cscope | somiaj: i don't know the name, but when I boot into a KDE desktop there's a taskbar-status-icon thing that says file index search is running, and then later finished, if i remember |
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| 16:54.17 | somiaj | Cscope: still not something I reconize, but I don't use KDE (or any DE for that matter) |
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| 16:54.30 | noname001 | hmmm themill : you may have a case here |
| 16:54.40 | somiaj | Cscope: can you figure out the name of the program putting the systray icon there. |
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| 16:55.22 | somiaj | noname001: did you try to install that program from say a .tar.gz file or source? |
| 16:55.29 | Cscope | somiaj: good idea, i'll try, ; few minutes |
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| 16:55.55 | noname001 | no |
| 16:56.04 | noname001 | this is a pure deb package |
| 16:56.12 | noname001 | but will try to purge it and reinstall it |
| 16:56.16 | gnugr | somiaj:are you looking for this? : ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/terminator/ |
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| 16:57.20 | somiaj | gnugr: I was just wanting a list of versions for squeeze. I found the package just find in my apt-cache. But p.d.o explains why I was getting unexpected results. |
| 16:57.41 | somiaj | noname001: before you purge it, do a dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/terminator |
| 16:58.02 | somiaj | noname001: unless you are using unoffical packages that file is there for some reason other than a debian package. |
| 16:58.18 | noname001 | sorry mate too late |
| 16:58.21 | noname001 | have done it already |
| 16:58.25 | noname001 | and it works |
| 16:58.28 | noname001 | now |
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| 16:59.09 | noname001 | themill, somiaj : thx |
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| 17:01.11 | Cscope | somiaj: Nepomuk Strigi File Indexing ? |
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| 17:03.11 | alex- | DEBIAN GUYS |
| 17:03.14 | alex- | why no openvz support? |
| 17:03.20 | Cscope | hmm maybe it's just part of KDE and i should just disable it with the check-box i see here |
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| 17:05.34 | somiaj | alex-: use the bts or packages.qa.debian.org contain info about why a package was removed from debian. Though p.d.o is down right now so I'm having trouble getting the info |
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| 17:06.44 | daemonkeeper | In this case reading the Squeeze(!) release notes is enough. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#deprecated |
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| 17:11.29 | djskidd | How do I tell the OS to execute a .jar as a program, and NOT try to extract it like an XZF? |
| 17:11.59 | alex-- | djskidd: rightclick |
| 17:12.05 | alex-- | djskidd: run with Java |
| 17:12.10 | Cscope | djskidd: did you try "java program.jar" |
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| 17:12.34 | djskidd | I don't have a "Run With Java" option |
| 17:12.36 | somiaj | I thought it was java -jar file.jar |
| 17:12.45 | somiaj | man java for more info |
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| 17:13.54 | djskidd | bash: java: command not found |
| 17:14.22 | djskidd | somehow I don't think I even have Java... |
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| 17:15.20 | demoniccow | Whats the best terminal emulator? |
| 17:15.30 | somiaj | demoniccow: best is subjective. I like xterm myself |
| 17:15.53 | demoniccow | i like xterm to, i was just wondering if there was a majorly prefered one |
| 17:16.07 | jelly-home | !best |
| 17:16.07 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 17:16.42 | demoniccow | im actaully in terminal mode right now though :D, i find it exiting because im used to using a gui. So using terminal is exiting for me |
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| 17:16.52 | djskidd | The best dubstep publisher is debateable |
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| 17:16.57 | mcloy | need help with postfix send php based script email . |
| 17:16.57 | mcloy | <br />SMTP -> ERROR: AUTH not accepted from server: 503 5.5.1 Error: authentication not enabled<br />SMTP -> FROM SERVER:250 2.0.0 Ok |
| 17:16.57 | mcloy | <br />SMTP Error: Could not authenticate. |
| 17:17.02 | djskidd | is it Monstercat or UKF? |
| 17:17.10 | demoniccow | ukf ftw |
| 17:17.26 | djskidd | demoniccow: I prefer Monstercat |
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| 17:17.44 | demoniccow | I like monstercat for electro |
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| 17:18.47 | djskidd | I need to go get Java |
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| 17:19.09 | demoniccow | I would get java if i wasnt on a machine with 512 mb of ram |
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| 17:19.45 | djskidd | oh crap, a .bin |
| 17:20.03 | djskidd | someone tell me how I deal with this piece of crap? |
| 17:20.27 | jelly-home | djskidd: run it. |
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| 17:20.49 | silvertip257 | it probably self extracts ./something.bin ... might need to chmod +x it first |
| 17:20.52 | jelly-home | alternatively, use java-package to convert it to .deb |
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| 17:23.39 | jelly-home | course, you have to get java-package itself from sid, first :-| |
| 17:23.44 | jelly-home | ,versions java-package |
| 17:23.45 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; sid/contrib: 0.50; wheezy/contrib: 0.50 |
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| 17:24.39 | po_taka | tnx (07:39:44 PM) somiaj: many people like to use pulseaudio, and that will work provided all of your apps know how to talk/use pulseaudio |
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| 17:25.56 | blubbar | in a script, how do I say somehting like <all but the last two args> and <last two args>? |
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| 17:30.11 | oliva | hi there ... I'm expericing slow flv video play. This happens with any player, flash, html5, vlc, minitube. Avi play is ok |
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| 17:32.37 | dr_diamond | blubbar, you could parse the arguments with a loop |
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| 17:33.57 | HeXiLeD | jelly-home i just re-installed the box. this time with gentoo.. guess what ? same udev/ kernel issue. i cannot mount of use the dev/sda/ they are their kernels broken the provider is OVH . ovh.com and all their country services. |
| 17:34.21 | HeXiLeD | i am out of there. i dont even care about having paid 2 years in advance. VERY bad service. |
| 17:34.43 | jelly-home | or it's just the way that VM soltions works |
| 17:34.57 | HeXiLeD | cant be. my first install was good |
| 17:35.26 | HeXiLeD | i have had home servers better than their service. |
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| 18:09.42 | SLFCore | hey i need an invite |
| 18:09.50 | SLFCore | for debian-next |
| 18:09.57 | valdyn | SLFCore: oftc |
| 18:10.04 | SLFCore | huh? |
| 18:10.31 | valdyn | SLFCore: try #debian-next on oftc, not freenode |
| 18:10.41 | SLFCore | thanks |
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| 18:12.02 | crazydiamond | Hi. I have Debian lenny installed on remote server and apt-get don't works, i.e. URLs from /etc/apt/sources.list provide 404 (lenny's support has ended AFAIK). Is there a way to use other sources in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:12.31 | themill | crazydiamond: upgrading to squeeze would be the best plan. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:12.48 | crazydiamond | But it's remote server |
| 18:13.01 | engla | crazydiamond: all the information is at debian.org. http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120310 |
| 18:13.23 | crazydiamond | engla: themill: thanks! |
| 18:13.31 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 18:14.02 | Bartzy | I have a custom init.d script. How can I set it up so it will start only after mysql is started, and stopped before mysql is stopped ? |
| 18:16.22 | somiaj | Bartzy: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 18:17.01 | somiaj | that will set the run order, but due to it can take a bit of time for mysql to launch, there is no way using that to ensure that mysql is fully running and accepting connenctions by the time your script is run |
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| 18:20.27 | Bartzy | somiaj: So.. nothing to be done ? |
| 18:20.37 | Bartzy | only something custom in my init.d script ? |
| 18:21.30 | somiaj | as far as I know. I know that gives you some ordering, but also know the system doens't pause until mysql is completely up and running |
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| 18:23.50 | somiaj | you could give it a try, I mean if you add a Required-Start $mysql (or whatever the mysql init script calls itself) it should wait for it to be running |
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| 18:24.21 | somiaj | I just recall someone having issues getting the timing to work right (as in mysql was starting but not fully accepting connenctions by the time the other script run). I would suggest playing around with it. |
| 18:25.29 | Bartzy | somiaj: I think it's without $ ? |
| 18:25.37 | Bartzy | that $ is only for virtual facilities ? |
| 18:25.42 | engla | sounds like something systemd can do.. |
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| 18:26.55 | tbrown | I am a new user of Debian and I was wondering am running a HP 2000-369wm AMD readion Proceccor and the Network Drivers For WIFI and Other Drivers Were can I get them At if you have a link please:) |
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| 18:29.49 | OldMonk | hi, i have a 5MB /var/lib/dpkg/available and a 4.5MB /var/lib/dpkg/status, how can i compress them to only keep installed/available packages? |
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| 18:29.56 | Bartzy | somiaj: Thanks a lot, it works! :p |
| 18:30.01 | Bartzy | somiaj: It's without the $, just mysql. |
| 18:30.07 | tbrown | I am a new user of Debian and I was wondering am running a HP 2000-369wm AMD readion Proceccor and the Network Drivers For WIFI and Other Drivers Were can I get them At if you have a link please:) |
| 18:31.00 | Bartzy | somiaj: I actually tried that with $ ($mysql) a few hours ago, then gave up. After reading the link you provided, I figured out it's without $ if it's not a virtual facility. Should really read docs more carefully :| |
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| 18:34.55 | Cscope | tbrown: i could be wrong but the Wifi adapter is probably either going to be supported by the kernel or a kernel module, or the linux drivers will be available from the manufacturer, or you will have to use NDIS wrapper on a windows-based driver for it |
| 18:35.55 | Cscope | and that last one probably isn't really a viable option, on second thought |
| 18:36.52 | OldMonk | tbrown: can you get the PCI IDs of those cards? if yes, then you can look up whether they're supported or not |
| 18:40.25 | tbrown | OldMonk: were do you search for it what website if you know if there will be supported |
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| 18:40.55 | OldMonk | tbrown: i'm lazy, i just search for "<pci ID> linux driver" |
| 18:41.07 | brotatos | i got this mail recently: http://pastebin.com/nNerr6in |
| 18:41.10 | brotatos | how do i fix this? |
| 18:42.46 | OldMonk | brotatos: looks like /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime is either empty or non-existent |
| 18:43.15 | tbrown | OldMunk: Thank you I will let you know if I find anything |
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| 18:43.32 | OldMonk | the name is Monk. Old Monk. |
| 18:44.00 | skel | brotatos: it looks like your cron script is just using deprecated args in one of its commands |
| 18:44.24 | brotatos | i didn't even tell it to do that lol |
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| 18:44.39 | OldMonk | skel: ISTR facing this problem on a server, and it was due to that missing file |
| 18:44.57 | skel | brotatos: well as time goes on and you upgrade etc, the commands have args that might change |
| 18:45.15 | OldMonk | so +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) evaluates to NULL, and find thinks -delete is the argument to -cmin |
| 18:45.17 | skel | brotatos: or you're improperly escaping the var after cmin and it thinks -delete is part of the option |
| 18:45.28 | skel | OldMonk: ah ok, that makes sense |
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| 18:45.58 | OldMonk | brotatos: cat /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime |
| 18:46.47 | tabakhase | why is a default squeeze running bind9 and lwresd? |
| 18:46.50 | OldMonk | oh wait... |
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| 18:47.03 | OldMonk | maxlifetime returns empte |
| 18:47.05 | brotatos | OldMonk: |
| 18:47.10 | brotatos | OldMonk: http://pastebin.com/0siHFqyN |
| 18:47.13 | OldMonk | empty too |
| 18:47.18 | OldMonk | brotatos: sorry, run it |
| 18:47.38 | skel | I'm worried about the state of debian. eventually there will be no more toy-story characters left and the distro will die off =/ |
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| 18:48.07 | skel | we need to hitch this wagon to a new pixar franchise! |
| 18:48.11 | brotatos | OldMonk: ran it and no errors poped out |
| 18:48.11 | OldMonk | brotatos: you need to set session.gc_maxlifetime in some php.ini file, in /etc |
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| 18:48.24 | OldMonk | brotatos: you didn't get any output at all, right? |
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| 18:48.31 | brotatos | OldMonk: nope |
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| 18:48.42 | OldMonk | brotatos: so set that session.gc_maxlifetime |
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| 18:50.31 | tbrown | OldMonk: Can you run windows drivers on Debian Running WIne HQ or something |
| 18:51.05 | OldMonk | tbrown: i believe you can use ndiswrapper, but i wouldn't know any further details about it |
| 18:51.14 | Iridos | skel, no worries... there will be always new toy-story characters.... just wait until toy-story XXXIV |
| 18:51.30 | dimitrios2008 | hi all. Lenny no longer on mirrors. I have a lenny system and I don't have the time to upgrade to squeeze right now. What are the options if I need to keep it going for some time? |
| 18:51.33 | skel | Iridos: =P |
| 18:52.27 | Iridos | dimitrios2008, what do you mean? It doesn't stop running just because there are no security updates anymore |
| 18:53.01 | skel | dimitrios2008: if you mean package access etc, you could setup a local mirror on a webserver in your home and add it to your sources.list |
| 18:53.42 | Iridos | no need |
| 18:53.48 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny sources.list |
| 18:53.48 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 18:54.41 | skel | Iridos: ah! good to know =] |
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| 18:57.04 | dimitrios2008 | skel , Iridos: thanks. Yes, what I meant is that installing new packages will not be possible if the repositories in my sources.list are not valid |
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| 18:58.50 | dimitrios2008 | skel, Iridos: I did an aptitude update last night and now when I do aptitude safe-upgrade... I get WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! (three packages listed). Do you know what this means? |
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| 19:01.23 | Knaldgas | I've tried to make a diskless Wheezy, but I have run into trouble with tmpfs set-up. Anyone with a little experience on this? |
| 19:02.16 | skel | dimitrios2008: it just means they're from repositories outside of the debian official ones I think |
| 19:02.22 | skel | can anyone validate that? |
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| 19:03.20 | skel | dimitrios2008: like if you add external apt sources, you need to make sure you trust who they come from otherwise you could be installing a back-door or other things on your system |
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| 19:06.56 | dimitrios2008 | skel: What puzzles me is that if the official repositories were moved to http://archive.debian.org, then they should be giving errors in aptitude i.e. they should not be found by my aptitude update... The Warning message I get when I try the aptitude safe-upgrade means that they are there but not trusted. |
| 19:08.09 | Bartzy | I need to package a debian box and want to make sure it's small. What can I do besides aptitude clean ? |
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| 19:08.24 | Bartzy | What are the obvious ways to get rid of temp/not-needed data ? |
| 19:10.14 | skel | dimitrios2008: are you sure they're referring to packages from the official / archive repo? I'm guessing its some 3rd party repo you may have added |
| 19:11.14 | dimitrios2008 | skel, I will check again |
| 19:11.43 | mcloy | any help with postfix. here are my config files http://pastebin.com/qUbYFarM and here is the error ERROR: Password not accepted from server: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure. FROM SERVER:421 4.7.0 ip-10-111-31-180.ec2.internal Error: too many errors |
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| 19:14.08 | dimitrios2008 | to be honest, the reasonable option is to upgrade to forget about lenny and move to squeeze altogether... |
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| 19:18.08 | gnugr | mcloy: read this guide, it might help you :http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
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| 19:21.59 | mcloy | gnugr, read alot |
| 19:22.37 | gnugr | mcloy: i dont know about postfix, i guess most of us use exim4 |
| 19:23.47 | gnugr | mcloy: for more help you can also join #postfix on irc.freenode.net |
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| 19:28.41 | Bartzy | Is there any easy way to check via a script if a public key is already added to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
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| 19:31.43 | An_Ony_Moose | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/574641/ can anyone help? My USB stick isn't working anymore... |
| 19:33.33 | Iridos | An_Ony_Moose, what should we do... miracle healing? |
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| 19:33.58 | An_Ony_Moose | Iridos: make it slightly more clear to me what is going on? :/ |
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| 19:36.18 | Iridos | An_Ony_Moose, most likely has reached the end of its lifetime? or at least some sectors? Or might be some problem with the USB connector... could try at a different machine? |
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| 19:38.20 | An_Ony_Moose | Iridos: it's relatively new, something like 3 months. I haven't been doing a lot of reads/writes and it seems to work on this other computer I'm trying it on |
| 19:38.38 | birdpoop | Hi, can anybody please help me debug this? http://pastie.org/3710554 |
| 19:38.46 | dvs | ew |
| 19:38.46 | An_Ony_Moose | Iridos: but wouldn't a problem with the USB connector mean other devices not working with this machine either? |
| 19:38.57 | Iridos | probably |
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| 19:39.34 | kyconquers | is there a default x server? or a way to tell if one is running and what it is? |
| 19:39.45 | An_Ony_Moose | ah it works on a different port on the same machine |
| 19:40.00 | An_Ony_Moose | damn. This is the most inconvenient of ports to breaj.... |
| 19:40.09 | dvs | kyconquers: the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file is a good start to look at |
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| 19:42.50 | mcloy | any help with postfix. here are my config files http://pastebin.com/qUbYFarM and here is the error ERROR: Password not accepted from server: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure. FROM SERVER:421 4.7.0 ip-10-111-31-180.ec2.internal Error: too many errors |
| 19:43.07 | kyconquers | dvs no such file exists |
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| 19:43.43 | An_Ony_Moose | well thanks Iridos |
| 19:44.09 | samantha-r-- | in a shell script, is there a way to grab the current directory name as a variable? eg metaflac --blahblah > [dirname].txt? |
| 19:44.24 | An_Ony_Moose | samantha-r--: $PWD |
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| 19:46.12 | dvs | kyconquers: Did you try to start X? |
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| 19:48.42 | tbrown | How do I extract a exe file am using the command unzip -a .exe I cant do it it making me mad it giving me a head ace please help |
| 19:49.46 | petemc | is the exe a zip file? |
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| 19:50.33 | tbrown | petemc: Am not really shew do I change it to a zip file and how do I do it lol:) |
| 19:50.55 | petemc | tbrown: what does 'file foo.exe' say? |
| 19:51.02 | Iridos | you can only unzip it if the exe really is also a zip archive... |
| 19:51.03 | petemc | replace foo with the actual name |
| 19:51.48 | Iridos | unzip filename.exe |
| 19:51.52 | Iridos | ah |
| 19:51.55 | Iridos | too slow |
| 19:52.00 | Knaldgas | My wheezy diskless is giving up waiting for root device, any hints? |
| 19:52.33 | tbrown | it was a sp56036 it said end of cetral directory signature not found. either thios file is not a zip file, or it consititues one disk of a multi-part archive. IN the latter case the central direcotry and zipfile comment will be found on the last disk of this archive |
| 19:54.25 | kyconquers | dvs no I'm trying to run a application but I receive "Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running" |
| 19:54.45 | samantha-r-- | $PWD shows gives me the full path. all i need is the present directory ... a full pathname creates results that aren't helpful. |
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| 19:56.36 | dvs | kyconquers: see if this shows /usr/bin/X: ps -aux | grep X |
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| 19:57.00 | Chat1617 | Hello |
| 19:57.02 | tbrown | unzip -a tb.exe tb.exe end of central directory signature not found. Either this file is not a zipfile, or it constutes one idsk of a multi part archive. in the latter case the central direcory and zipfile comment will be found on the alst disks of this archive Unzip: cant find zipfile directory in one of tb.exe or tbe.exe.zip and cannot find tb.exe.ZIP period |
| 19:57.14 | Chat1617 | People talk |
| 19:57.35 | petemc | tbrown: file tb.exe |
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| 19:58.22 | tbrown | Yes I change the name because it gave me a error message the same one it use to be sp56036.exe |
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| 19:58.55 | petemc | tbrown: run the command 'file tb.exe' , tell us the output |
| 19:59.31 | gnugr | samantha-r--: what exactly you want see/find in bash |
| 19:59.51 | tbrown | tb.exe: PE32 Executable for ms windows (GUI) intel 80386 32-bet |
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| 20:00.33 | samantha-r-- | gnugr: i want to dump the stdout of a command to a text file. i want the text file to be named the same as the present working directory, plus an arbitrary extension. so if the present dir is dmb2001-01-01.blah.blah, the file, in the present directory, would be called, dmb2001-01-01.blah.blah.ext |
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| 20:01.27 | tbrown | Are you still there?? |
| 20:01.28 | seblabel | command > ${PWD}.ext |
| 20:01.55 | seblabel | command > "${PWD}".ext |
| 20:02.25 | petemc | tbrown: that doesnt look like a zip file |
| 20:02.42 | samantha-r-- | seblabel: that puts the file one hop up the tree, which is not what i want |
| 20:03.07 | seblabel | sorry, i just arrived |
| 20:03.17 | seblabel | can you explain your goal ? |
| 20:03.20 | tbrown | How can I extract a exe file then that was my first question omgosh people |
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| 20:03.51 | gnugr | samantha-r--:do you want to "cat /path/to/file.ext"? |
| 20:04.11 | samantha-r-- | seblabel: the script is presently this: metaflac --show-md5sum *.flac > "${PWD}".ffp ... i want the .ffp file to appear in the current directory, with the current directory's name. |
| 20:04.23 | WinstonSmith | tbrown: execute it with wine with an "/?" switch. most MS service packs have an extract switch |
| 20:04.27 | kyconquers | dvs bash: /usr/bin/:: No such file or directory but there is a directory /usr/bin/X11/ |
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| 20:05.18 | Authoritarianism | What is the name of the Java runtime package for Debian? |
| 20:05.30 | tbrown | winstonSmith: How do I find one to extract then WHat program 7zip or winhq |
| 20:05.36 | dvs | kyconquers: ps -aux | grep X |
| 20:05.56 | WinstonSmith | tbrown: you run it with wine, like "wine tb.exe /?" |
| 20:06.07 | tbrown | ok |
| 20:06.08 | seblabel | samantha-r--: i'm sorry, i dont get it |
| 20:06.17 | seblabel | can you give an exemple ? |
| 20:06.19 | haotian_ | safe-upgrade |
| 20:06.19 | haotian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.19 | haotian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.21 | haotian_ | does it mean that, if there is an application installed but I didn't use it, it will remove it ? |
| 20:06.44 | kyconquers | dvs yes 6 processes including grep |
| 20:07.06 | dvs | kyconquers: is any /usr/bin/X ? |
| 20:07.22 | samantha-r-- | seblabel: second line of the script, such that the script actually produces the output i want, would be mv "${PWD}".ffp . |
| 20:07.29 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: use "${PWD#*/*/}" |
| 20:07.50 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: that will leave only the name of the current dir |
| 20:07.50 | kyconquers | dvs the other 5 are /usr/bin/Xvfb |
| 20:08.03 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: erm wait |
| 20:08.26 | WinstonSmith | grumbles |
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| 20:08.37 | dvs | kyconquers: I don't know what that is |
| 20:09.02 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: use "${PWD##*/}" |
| 20:09.03 | kyconquers | dvs "root 26398 0.0 1.0 56564 5124 pts/2 S 11:34 0:00 /usr/bin/Xvfb :105 -ac -nolisten tcp -screen 0 640x480x8" |
| 20:09.16 | samantha-r-- | okay. script that does what i want is here: http://pastebin.ca/2134592 however, i want to reduce this to a single line, so that it works ONLY in the present directory |
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| 20:10.20 | dvs | kyconquers: I have no idea what that is. |
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| 20:11.03 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: metaflac --show-md5sum *.flac > "${PWD##*/}".ffp |
| 20:11.10 | seblabel | yes |
| 20:11.13 | seblabel | he is right |
| 20:11.17 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: the mv is redundant |
| 20:11.24 | seblabel | also right |
| 20:11.35 | WinstonSmith | \o/ |
| 20:11.40 | seblabel | :) |
| 20:12.27 | samantha-r-- | bingo. that's exactly what i need, tyvm. |
| 20:13.11 | seblabel | you were really right! |
| 20:13.12 | WinstonSmith | yw |
| 20:13.29 | WinstonSmith | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashSheet#Parameter_Operations #a must read about PE |
| 20:13.41 | samantha-r-- | my version was creating the ffp file in the parent. but in some use cases i might not have write privs to the parent |
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| 20:14.29 | seblabel | samantha-r--: what is the aim of metaflac ? |
| 20:14.51 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: you can always metaflac --show-md5sum *.flac > ~/"${PWD##*/}".ffp to create it in your home dir |
| 20:15.00 | samantha-r-- | metaflac views and modifies metadata on flac files. |
| 20:15.10 | samantha-r-- | i do not want it in the home dir, it must be with the flac files in the present working directory |
| 20:15.29 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: that is what the 1st version does |
| 20:15.30 | seblabel | ok |
| 20:15.39 | samantha-r-- | winstonsmith, yes, thank you :) |
| 20:15.43 | samantha-r-- | is most excellent |
| 20:15.55 | seblabel | you can use the command find to do the job for all your directories |
| 20:16.02 | WinstonSmith | my pleasure |
| 20:16.27 | samantha-r-- | sadly seblabel, cleaning up my collection does not lend itself to that kind of automation. i wish it did. |
| 20:16.45 | seblabel | why not ? |
| 20:16.49 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: heh i feel for you. |
| 20:17.05 | WinstonSmith | passed long hours setting id3 tags right |
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| 20:17.52 | seblabel | samantha-r--: we can maybe help you with this |
| 20:17.53 | samantha-r-- | seblabel, i'm cleaning up, standardizing, and organizing live recordings that come off a torrent site i participate on. the volume is such, and the variations are such, that by hand is the only way to manage it |
| 20:18.00 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: if you have a GUI, did you try Easytag? |
| 20:18.18 | seblabel | samantha-r--: ok |
| 20:18.29 | samantha-r-- | WinstonSmith, i'm not even doing tagging. i'm doing filenames, fingerprints, and .txt files for flac and shn shows |
| 20:18.40 | samantha-r-- | tagging is a whole different crisis |
| 20:18.51 | samantha-r-- | and shn files don't support tags anyway |
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| 20:19.14 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: ah ok. well good luck then! |
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| 20:20.04 | samantha-r-- | i have a file rename util in windows that will help considerably. alas, i've not found anything as simple and powerful under *nix. so samba it is. |
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| 20:23.02 | Latmen | ciao |
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| 20:23.08 | Latmen | !lista |
| 20:23.08 | samantha-r-- | and while i'm doing it, i'm creating an access database of the shows as well. last time i looked, i didn't have the largest collection of my bad in the world, but i was in the top 5 |
| 20:23.11 | samantha-r-- | band |
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| 20:24.54 | Marcker | A touchpad problems... |
| 20:25.14 | samantha-r-- | touchpads are always a problem. i wish i could simply disable mine. or get a laptop without one. |
| 20:25.29 | Marcker | with HP Mini;;; |
| 20:25.39 | WinstonSmith | samantha-r--: install touchfreeze |
| 20:25.59 | Marcker | scroll functions do not work |
| 20:27.21 | Marcker | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Mini210/Squeeze |
| 20:27.56 | dvs | Marcker: Have you tried using two fingers to scroll up and down? |
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| 20:28.50 | Marcker | dvs , hahha, yes... arrow keys too |
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| 20:30.34 | samantha-r-- | curses IO-bound raid. |
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| 20:32.22 | ArmOrAttAk | i'm having problems logging into mysql on squeeze |
| 20:32.52 | ArmOrAttAk | mysql will not accept a password |
| 20:33.10 | Iridos | dpkg, ifmp |
| 20:33.10 | dpkg | Iridos: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:33.13 | Iridos | dammit |
| 20:33.14 | ArmOrAttAk | i've blanked the password and still can't login |
| 20:34.11 | Iridos | dpkg, forgot mysql root password |
| 20:34.12 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
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| 20:34.24 | ArmOrAttAk | have any of you experienced this problem and found a solution? |
| 20:34.30 | Iridos | or perhaps you're not using the right command to connect? |
| 20:34.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell ArmOrAttAk -about i forgot mysql root password |
| 20:34.33 | ArmOrAttAk | i've done that dpkg |
| 20:34.45 | dondelelcaro | ArmOrAttAk: ok, if you've done that, what part of it fails? |
| 20:34.52 | ArmOrAttAk | mysql -u root -p |
| 20:34.59 | dondelelcaro | ArmOrAttAk: and it fails with what? |
| 20:35.14 | dondelelcaro | ArmOrAttAk: can you log into mysql when you use --skip-grant-tables? |
| 20:35.20 | ArmOrAttAk | sec.. |
| 20:35.27 | ArmOrAttAk | yes dondelelcaro |
| 20:35.58 | dondelelcaro | ArmOrAttAk: ok, and you set a password? and there is a root user? |
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| 20:38.54 | ArmOrAttAk | seems my last reboot has fixed it, thanks anyway. |
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| 20:42.08 | tbrown | Command line ndiswrapper -i downloads/setup.inf it says that is already installed but I dont see my wifi on am getting kind of scared |
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| 20:42.22 | StaffGiraffe | stupid. |
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| 20:43.40 | Iridos | well... |
| 20:43.41 | Iridos | !next |
| 20:43.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:43.47 | gokili | Hi, I'm a noob trying to install debian 6 server onto a VPS over VNC |
| 20:43.48 | gokili | Debian install: The network autoconfiguration was succesful. However, no default route was set: the system does not know how to communicate with hosts on the Internet. |
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| 20:49.46 | born2troll | guys i would like to have pulseaudio 0.9.23 i am using debian stable... where to get? |
| 20:50.07 | dvs | ,versions pulseaudio |
| 20:50.09 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 1.1-3; wheezy: 1.1-3 |
| 20:51.28 | born2troll | dvs, that tells me? |
| 20:51.30 | Iridos | gokili, that seems to be a contradiction in itself :) ("The network autoconfiguration was succesful.") |
| 20:51.43 | dvs | born2troll: it's not available |
| 20:52.08 | born2troll | dvs, what is lenny? |
| 20:52.21 | dvs | born2troll: Debian 5 |
| 20:52.49 | born2troll | dvs, sweet! i go with debian lenny pkg |
| 20:53.13 | dvs | born2troll: ??? That's only version 0.9.10 |
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| 20:53.28 | born2troll | dvs, agh... even older... |
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| 20:53.49 | born2troll | never mind... who needs wine anyway... im going to read a book... |
| 20:53.54 | dvs | born2troll: squeeze has 0.9.21 which is the closest |
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| 20:57.30 | autojack | the man page of dpkg offers some possible solutions but I'm wondering if there is a "right" way. |
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| 21:34.52 | rysiek|pl | ohai |
| 21:35.18 | rysiek|pl | are there any known problems with LibreOffice updates right now? |
| 21:35.39 | rysiek|pl | trying to do aptitude upgrade fails here with: |
| 21:35.40 | rysiek|pl | ERROR: Cannot determine language! |
| 21:35.47 | rysiek|pl | and soffice does not work |
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| 21:37.46 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: yes if you had apt-listbugs installed it would have warned you |
| 21:37.55 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: check the bts (assuming youa re running wheezy or sid) |
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| 21:38.48 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: okay, thanks |
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| 21:39.56 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: actually, running aptosid here, but that does not change much |
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| 21:40.30 | somiaj | what is aptosid? |
| 21:40.44 | somiaj | !aptosid |
| 21:40.45 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:40.51 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: that is not a debian problem, go bother them |
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| 21:41.03 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: yeah, I figured you will say something like that |
| 21:41.12 | somiaj | though basing something on debian sid without some QA is asking for trouble |
| 21:41.30 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: well, it is Debian Sid with a little QA |
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| 21:41.39 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: and a rolling-release approach |
| 21:41.48 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: anyways go get support from #aptosid this is not supported by #debian |
| 21:41.55 | ompaul_ | rysiek|pl: #aptosid on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:41.55 | gnarface | i thought SID *WAS* a rolling-release approach |
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| 21:42.04 | ompaul_ | gnarface: no it is not |
| 21:42.13 | gnarface | ompaul_: what's the difference? |
| 21:42.18 | gnarface | ompaul_: other than semantics? |
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| 21:42.25 | rysiek|pl | here we go with the discussion. ah well, I promise not to mention "aptosid" any more on this channel |
| 21:42.37 | somiaj | gnarface: it is not a release |
| 21:42.39 | ompaul_ | there was the freeze last time when testing went freeze so sid almost stopped |
| 21:42.39 | rysiek|pl | gets some popcorn |
| 21:42.51 | gnarface | somiaj: right. so the only difference IS semantics |
| 21:42.57 | rysiek|pl | this might get entertaining, actually |
| 21:43.09 | ompaul_ | rysiek|pl: go to #aptosid on irc.oftc.net it might be more enteraining |
| 21:43.40 | somiaj | and who knows what aptosid does in their QA to change packages. If you actually ran debian sid that is simi supported here (though this support is mostly for debian stable) |
| 21:43.55 | rysiek|pl | ompaul_: I got the message the first time around, thanks :) |
| 21:44.32 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: well, turned out that *was* a debian sid issue, and I got my answer already, so I guess asking here was the right approach. |
| 21:44.53 | rysiek|pl | somiaj: of course I will get badgered and butched for saying that, but whatever |
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| 21:45.02 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: if you want to run debian sid do so, also learn about the bts. If you want to run a dervative of it, go ask them for best pratices. |
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| 21:48.48 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: acutally it is a known issue, and running sid things like apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are both vital things to have installed so you can avoid breaking things durning an upgrade |
| 21:49.19 | rysiek|pl | thanks, didn't know that - already installed those |
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| 21:53.39 | craigevil | rysiek|pl, no problems with LibreOffice here, i run sid, but atm I am using LibreOffice from experimental |
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| 21:54.10 | craigevil | LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
| 21:54.40 | krautguy | hi everyone.. where can i download Beta- or Testing versions of Debian? |
| 21:55.27 | AimHere | krautguy> Most of the debian mirrors linked from the debian site will get you the 'Unstable' and 'Testing' versions |
| 21:55.28 | rysiek|pl | craigevil: right. I'll probably install that, then, thanks. |
| 21:55.38 | rysiek|pl | craigevil: it's 3.4.something here |
| 21:56.08 | AimHere | krautguy, it might be relatively easy just to upgrade an existing stable installation, if that's what you're after, using "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:56.48 | somiaj | krautguy: if you are new to debian you should run debian stable + backports (you will have less issues) |
| 21:56.50 | krautguy | ah okay. right. I just couldn't find the download links, cause i always looked in the bittorrent-mirros.. |
| 21:56.53 | krautguy | thanks |
| 21:57.04 | craigevil | rysiek|pl, apt-get install -t experimental libreoffice , works ok good luck |
| 21:57.28 | rysiek|pl | :) |
| 21:57.34 | autojack | I'm trying to get -o Dpkg::Pre-Invoke to work on an apt-get install, but it seems to do nothing. anyone ever use this? |
| 21:58.11 | rysiek|pl | craigevil: could you pastebin me your Preferences file? I don't have experimental repos added yet |
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| 21:59.14 | craigevil | rysiek|pl, just copy your sid line in /etc/apt/sources.list and change 'sid' to say experimental |
| 22:00.01 | rysiek|pl | craigevil: yeah, bud I would also need apt preferences with the experimental repos opinned so that I don't get the whole system upgraded to experimental, don't I |
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| 22:00.52 | craigevil | rysiek|pl, nope doesnt work that way, no pref file needed |
| 22:01.18 | rysiek|pl | intredasting |
| 22:01.23 | craigevil | rysiek|pl, exp is like using backports on stable nothing gets installed from there unless you tell it to |
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| 22:02.19 | lcc | the only problem with wheezy is that there are updates like every day. |
| 22:07.36 | negge | does anyone know how exactly I'm supposed to get the ESR version of Icedove from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 22:08.01 | negge | I edited my sources.list but version 5.0 is still the newest version according to apt-cache policy |
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| 22:10.08 | Blue1 | negge: yes that is the latest in the repos |
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| 22:11.29 | rysiek|pl | craigevil: cool, thanks |
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| 22:12.35 | craigevil | negge, havent seen an esr version of icedove, icedove 10.0.0-3 is in sid |
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| 22:13.24 | craigevil | negge, which is the same as iceweasel 10.0.3esr-3 0 but without the 'esr' |
| 22:14.26 | Blue1 | i installed the non approved thunderbird and firefox from the website and went from there. |
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| 22:15.47 | taulus | I fear this may be a dumb question but can I run Blender, Gimp, LibreOffice in Debian 6? |
| 22:16.17 | Blue1 | i have gimp and libreoffice installed, dunno what blender is. |
| 22:16.21 | CGC002 | i have blender installed, it's a 3d modeling program |
| 22:16.26 | CGC002 | but yes, you can |
| 22:16.27 | Blue1 | ahh |
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| 22:16.33 | streuner | !blender |
| 22:16.33 | dpkg | Blender is a free software, cross platform 3D creation suite, allowing fully integrated modeling, animation, rendering, post production and interactive 3D creation and playback. Its internal render engine supports ray tracing. http://www.blender.org/ #blenderchat and #blenderqa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:16.41 | taulus | :) thank you. |
| 22:16.51 | streuner | judd, versions blender |
| 22:16.52 | judd | Package: blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; sid: 2.62-1; wheezy: 2.62-1 |
| 22:17.32 | streuner | taulus: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 22:20.00 | themill | taulus, streuner: there's no need to go to dmm for blender |
| 22:21.08 | streuner | you are so smart |
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| 22:25.21 | gnarface | what type of throughput should i see from samba these days? |
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| 22:25.24 | gnarface | from cifs? |
| 22:25.39 | gnarface | is it still like, 25% of the max throughput of nfs? |
| 22:25.51 | petemc | i get 90MB/s with gigabit |
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| 22:30.13 | epsilon | with PC-Components of last few years, full GBit |
| 22:30.28 | epsilon | incl encryption |
| 22:31.16 | epsilon | many small files still slow as hell of course |
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| 22:32.51 | johnLAPACHE | Hi, plz how to route a process ? |
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| 22:33.47 | sheep | johnLAPACHE: what do you mean by that? |
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| 22:37.33 | simonlnu | route a process... explain what you want to do instead. |
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| 22:37.56 | johnLAPACHE | I have two interfaces and i dont want a process uses the default route |
| 22:38.50 | simonlnu | you want to bind a process to a certain ip or interface, not route it. |
| 22:39.26 | simonlnu | and then that will do the routing already, due to the already set up routes. YCGT |
| 22:40.00 | project2501a | amazon should sell a "latent telepathy module" |
| 22:40.15 | project2501a | so we can slap it on our heads and know what our significant others are thinking. |
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| 22:43.07 | taulus | How do I install propriety drivers for my GTS450 gpu? |
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| 22:43.39 | dvs | ??? no such thing |
| 22:43.41 | project2501a | taulus: apt-get install baseutils; wget the drivers from nvidia |
| 22:44.04 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 22:44.04 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:44.12 | project2501a | or what streuner said |
| 22:44.19 | simonlnu | nvidia dkms ;p |
| 22:44.30 | streuner | taulus: why do you think you need nvidia binaries? |
| 22:45.47 | taulus | To use my graphics card, I had to use them with linuxmint, I am quite new to all this and very new to debian. |
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| 22:50.31 | willmore | Is there a SPARC specific debian channel? |
| 22:50.44 | Bunnyh | hi! could anyone guess what's my problem installing debian on an lvm root? when trying to install grub, I just get a fatal error. the interesting thing is, I just got it working an hour ago, before reinstalling. I got the fatal error that time, too, but somehow was successful after trying again |
| 22:51.03 | Bunnyh | i'm using a wheezy image downloaded yesterday |
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| 22:52.03 | Bunnyh | that time I was trying out btrfs, but now that I was going to install it again on ext4, it just doesn't work |
| 22:53.11 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i am trying to install XFCE beside KDE .... but it wants to remove ' libfam0 ' ... would that break my KDE desktop ? |
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| 22:57.48 | gnugr | cobra-the-joker: better to ask at #debian-kde i think |
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| 22:59.15 | cobra-the-joker | gnugr: its nearly empty ? |
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| 22:59.57 | Bunnyh | nevermind, just noticed on the f4 windows what the error was |
| 22:59.58 | gnugr | its on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:00.03 | Bunnyh | /target/proc wasn't mounted |
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| 23:00.19 | Bunnyh | guess the installer is broken, after all |
| 23:01.11 | Bunnyh | I was somehow able to get the installer to mount that for me the last time, though |
| 23:01.28 | irinix | ahoy, just got a proliant dl320 from the office, it had been running win2k adv. server, but I was required by my boss to wipe the drives. I'm considering debian "squeeze" 6.0.4 as a server operating system. Do you guys know if this is going to be a headache? |
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| 23:08.00 | the9a3eedi_ | hey, is it just me or is gtk3 slower than gtk2? |
| 23:08.13 | the9a3eedi_ | like, not as snappy, etc. .... reminds me of kde |
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| 23:09.25 | Arafangion | the9a3eedi_: Consider disabling any theme effects you have, such as animated menus. |
| 23:09.42 | the9a3eedi_ | I've got no effects on. Drawing just seems slow in general |
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| 23:09.58 | the9a3eedi_ | scrolling for example, among other things |
| 23:10.18 | crossfader | hi, |
| 23:10.19 | crossfader | does anybody know a mirror of the debian lenny packages, which is still online? |
| 23:10.54 | Arafangion | the9a3eedi_: You have smooth scrolling? |
| 23:11.46 | the9a3eedi_ | not as far as I know.. actually I'm running on MATE. I just did not like gnome 3 (nor did I like its classic mode) after upgrade and got fed up lol |
| 23:12.20 | the9a3eedi_ | gtk2 apps under mate are nice and fast and snappy. gtk3 however is slow |
| 23:12.25 | dvs | !tell crossfader about lenny |
| 23:13.17 | the9a3eedi_ | since gtk3 and qt4 are emphasizing a lot on compositing and whatever, I'm starting to think that it's my drivers, or maybe X11 |
| 23:13.46 | the9a3eedi_ | but the opensource ati drivers were running very well so far, havent had any issues with it |
| 23:13.47 | simonlnu | don't need compositing for either of them |
| 23:14.29 | the9a3eedi_ | true... but I can't find any explaination why qt4 and gtk3 are slow lol |
| 23:14.44 | irinix | got a proliant dl320 from the office, it had been running win2k adv. server, but I was required by my boss to wipe the drives. I'm considering debian "squeeze" 6.0.4 as a server operating system. Do you guys know if this is going to be a headache? |
| 23:15.39 | crossfader | ok, i better not ask for inofficial mirrors here |
| 23:15.51 | crossfader | which might still be online |
| 23:16.10 | themill | crossfader: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 23:16.33 | dvs | !tell crossfader about lenny sources.list |
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| 23:17.15 | crossfader | well i had no time to set up my own mirror in time |
| 23:17.25 | the9a3eedi_ | hmm.. perhaps it's the theme... gtk3 apps seem to be using a different them than my gtk2 apps.... can't figure out how to change that though |
| 23:17.42 | themill | crossfader: please read what dpkg has told you. All of it. |
| 23:18.01 | crossfader | sorry |
| 23:18.02 | crossfader | :) |
| 23:18.23 | crossfader | i did n t see the links |
| 23:18.26 | crossfader | thanks |
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| 23:18.57 | irinix | !tell irinix about hp proliant |
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| 23:45.54 | irinix | Anyone here know anything about LSI MegaRAID? |
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| 23:48.34 | samantha-r-- | need a command to rename files ... no change to the filenames, except i want to remove the colons. some idiot put colons into some filenames and it's breaking my file sharing. how can i do this easily? i'm looking at 51 files. |
| 23:49.38 | Arafangion | would hesitate to call that person an idiot. |
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| 23:49.58 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 23:50.06 | ZitZ | hi |
| 23:50.24 | samantha-r-- | i wouldn't. colons are illegal filename characters under windows. since the target audience for this peron's work product is primarily windows users ... they are an idiot. |
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| 23:50.47 | ragnar76 | i just did an update and got this message : "Current status: 0 updates [-14]." what means "-14" ? |
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| 23:50.53 | born2troll | #debian-offtopic |
| 23:50.54 | Arafangion | samantha-r--: Most people don't tend to remember all of window's quirks. |
| 23:52.25 | Arafangion | samantha-r--: In any case, try aptitude search rename |
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| 23:52.34 | Arafangion | There's a few options there. |
| 23:52.44 | Arafangion | To keep a backup. |
| 23:52.48 | Arafangion | *Do keep a backup. |
| 23:52.49 | dvs | ragnar76: You just installed or updated 14 packages |
| 23:53.03 | born2troll | would you guys mind to take the silence in #debian-offtopic from me? =/ |
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| 23:55.54 | streuner | just for #entertainer? ;-) |
| 23:56.43 | streuner | born2troll: ask them not #d |
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