| 00:00.01 | abrotman | ask them |
| 00:00.09 | abrotman | why do you keep asking us shit that has nothign to do with Debian ? |
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| 00:06.15 | B4theEOF | "abrotmanwhy do you keep asking us shit that has nothign to do with Debian ?" one of these days today ? no reason to be unfriendly, imho |
| 00:06.44 | nevyn | !ot |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:07.56 | innociv | It was really quiet, and I thought it had to do with debian since debian is an OS often used for servers. |
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| 00:08.27 | keyzs | whats the best way to acess a debian remotely with ssh and have gui? |
| 00:09.22 | B4theEOF | you can use X forwarding, see man ssh, use ssh -X, then e.g. xterm |
| 00:09.38 | EdePopede | great. after upgrading i just found out that /etc/alternatives uses gnash instead of adobe (in /usr/local) - and no change possible in the official way. so do i simply change the link by hand? |
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| 00:10.56 | abrotman | B4theEOF: he keeps doing it |
| 00:12.09 | kevlarman | EdePopede: install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:12.20 | kevlarman | EdePopede: then run the script it tells you |
| 00:12.30 | kevlarman | then you can update alternatives |
| 00:12.37 | craigevil | EdePopede, update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 00:12.38 | nevyn | keyzs: install a X11 server on your client and ssh -CX x-display-manager ? |
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| 00:12.44 | EdePopede | as with firefox i prefer to instal manually. amd64, so i needed the backdoor on adobe.com a few times |
| 00:13.02 | kevlarman | EdePopede: the package downloads 64 bit flash |
| 00:13.03 | keyzs | nevyn can i do it without installing anything? |
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| 00:13.37 | keyzs | nevyn my goal is to have full debian desktop |
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| 00:13.38 | nevyn | where? |
| 00:13.46 | nevyn | what's the client? |
| 00:13.55 | keyzs | win 7 to debian |
| 00:14.01 | nevyn | install xming and putty |
| 00:14.26 | EdePopede | Version: 1:2.8.2 <-- this is the version number? atm i use 11.2.202.96 |
| 00:14.30 | nevyn | you could use a vnc client but that's less secure (vnc is essentially clear bitmaps on the wire) |
| 00:14.56 | nevyn | raw X11 is faster if you do trust the network. (but it's better not to trust it) |
| 00:15.24 | kevlarman | EdePopede: that's the version of the script that downloads flash |
| 00:15.46 | craigevil | EdePopede, the debian package downloads flash from adobe and installs it in the correct place |
| 00:15.51 | nevyn | so X11 is cleartext X events (keypresses text etc) protocol which it's generally best to send over ssh instead. |
| 00:16.00 | nevyn | vnc isn't much better than plain X11 |
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| 00:19.06 | nevyn | keyzs: ^^ |
| 00:19.06 | keyzs | xming and putty is best there is |
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| 00:19.21 | nevyn | well best depends on requirements |
| 00:19.30 | EdePopede | http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.1.102.63/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz <<< anyway that one looks older than my installed version |
| 00:20.18 | nsadmin | keyzs, there is not any such thing as "best there is", and no one can even approach speaking of that unless they have tried everything in the world |
| 00:20.54 | keyzs | i mean for using |
| 00:21.02 | nsadmin | so really, "best there is" -> "best you know of" |
| 00:21.03 | keyzs | there are couple methods |
| 00:21.09 | keyzs | yes |
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| 00:21.22 | keyzs | best method 4you |
| 00:21.35 | cheets | night |
| 00:22.22 | nevyn | keyzs: so in general I tend to view the network as hostile. if you know somehow that the network is not hostile. ie it's a piece of cat5 you can see at all times. then this may not be something you need to consider. |
| 00:22.47 | keyzs | for me is hostile too |
| 00:22.59 | craigevil | EdePopede, it should download the current version, if not you can always updated it using update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 00:23.12 | nsadmin | an internal net that others are in can be considered hostile as well |
| 00:23.35 | keyzs | nevyn im acessing a vm does it make any diference |
| 00:23.54 | EdePopede | my 11.2.202.96 hast a timestamp from 18 nov, so quite old... |
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| 00:24.19 | craigevil | 11.2.202.228 is the current 32bit version |
| 00:24.20 | nevyn | not to me. |
| 00:25.20 | nevyn | keyzs: I don't like clear text protocols on prinicple. but. in your case you may decide it's not a risk that you're concerned about enough to mitigate. |
| 00:25.40 | keyzs | wich one would you use |
| 00:25.56 | nevyn | none. |
| 00:26.03 | nevyn | I'd ssh and run gui apps as required |
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| 00:26.11 | nsadmin | keyzs, depends on purpose, which you've not completely specified yet |
| 00:26.12 | nevyn | exporting a desktop is annoying. |
| 00:27.02 | EdePopede | just did it and the sidebasr says 11.1 r102 |
| 00:27.04 | nsadmin | so you'd rather not have multiple unknown invisible people movin your mouse? |
| 00:27.34 | keyzs | nsadmin i want to acess from win 7 to debian |
| 00:27.52 | keyzs | and have full desktop |
| 00:28.28 | nsadmin | then you would have to consider xdmcp and the programs that use that include xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, etc |
| 00:28.29 | keyzs | on a decent speed |
| 00:28.47 | nsadmin | decent speed means fast net |
| 00:28.58 | keyzs | my net is fast |
| 00:29.53 | koisoke | for that I use putty and vnc just because it's quick to set up on the windows side and it lets me preserve my desktop state when moving between machines |
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| 00:30.17 | nsadmin | you may be able to configure your xdm to listen on tcp, at your peril. maybe you can get it to only listen to the machine you want to do it from |
| 00:30.20 | nevyn | keyzs: is the vm on the same hardware as the client? |
| 00:30.30 | djskidd | I feel bad now |
| 00:30.32 | keyzs | yes |
| 00:30.50 | koisoke | oh, that way. nevermind. |
| 00:30.58 | djskidd | For needs, I am leaving debian for Ubuntu. Sorry to anyone who helped me for wasting your time. :( |
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| 00:31.18 | nevyn | djskidd: see you in 3 years bye. |
| 00:31.34 | craigevil | djskidd, lol good luck |
| 00:31.42 | djskidd | craigevil: why? |
| 00:31.44 | keyzs | lol |
| 00:31.46 | nsadmin | djskidd, I always advocate people should run what makes them happy and works the best |
| 00:32.02 | djskidd | nsadmin: thanks for supporting me |
| 00:32.03 | keyzs | i prefer debian now |
| 00:32.04 | nevyn | nsadmin: operating systems can make you happy |
| 00:32.11 | djskidd | really, I just need to run Mixxx |
| 00:32.27 | djskidd | and, frankly, I really DON'T feel like compiling source code |
| 00:32.28 | nsadmin | djskidd, curious what has you interested as it seemed before like you made a decision |
| 00:32.32 | craigevil | djskidd, anything you can do in ubuntu you can do in debian and with fewer bugs |
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| 00:32.55 | djskidd | so there is a Debian Software Center? |
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| 00:33.11 | djskidd | that's really why I am moving back to Ubuntu |
| 00:33.18 | djskidd | easier to install stuff |
| 00:33.28 | nsadmin | djskidd, that can be a tough thing to get through if the package is not available in debian (or same thing in any other dist) |
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| 00:33.51 | dvs | djskidd: What's the difference between a "software centre" and a Debian repository? |
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| 00:34.14 | djskidd | I prefer a frontend/GUI rather than a terminal |
| 00:34.26 | dvs | djskidd: Debian has Synaptic |
| 00:34.41 | djskidd | 1: I never got it to work |
| 00:34.43 | nsadmin | djskidd, people are probably right now about to tell you "this is a debian suppor channel, and you're crossing the line"... as for myself, I'm wondering what is your motivation for continuing here. Your support channel is now #ubuntu |
| 00:34.51 | djskidd | yesh I know |
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| 00:35.14 | dvs | bye |
| 00:35.32 | nsadmin | grass is always greener, right? |
| 00:35.49 | dvs | yup |
| 00:35.58 | dvs | he's be back what he can't get help |
| 00:36.14 | nsadmin | 5... |
| 00:36.19 | nsadmin | 4... |
| 00:36.24 | nsadmin | 3... |
| 00:36.59 | nsadmin | ok, so not 5 seconds :) |
| 00:37.37 | dvs | heh |
| 00:38.04 | koisoke | his milage might vary, but I switched from etch to ubuntu on my home machine for the fresher packages about 3.5 years ago, got increasingly annoyed with things breaking all the time, then switched back to wheezy after ubuntu's black box version updater segfaulted on me. |
| 00:38.11 | nsadmin | the truth is that if he thinks he's going to get the power of the os without the shell he's dreaming... and building stuff that's not otherwise available is part and parcel of linux/unix |
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| 00:38.57 | abrotman | okay .. can we stop discussing it |
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| 00:44.59 | keyzs | whats the location of the x-display-manager |
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| 00:45.58 | abrotman | keyzs: /etc/X11/ ? |
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| 00:48.14 | keyzs | xming is installed on debian or 7 |
| 00:48.15 | peterrooney | keyzs: it's not so much a locatiion, as a service specified by upstart / init |
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| 00:48.47 | peterrooney | keyzs: eg. grep -rC5 x-display-manager /etc/rc2.d |
| 00:50.46 | EdePopede | flash again: http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/ also has 11.2.202.228 - i guess the problem is somewhere in http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/ - only --verbose in the installer script suddenly comes up with /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz without any further comment. now checking versions... |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | is that a qustion ? |
| 00:53.00 | keyzs | its making conection but i dont ge screen |
| 00:53.06 | keyzs | *get |
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| 00:58.47 | EdePopede | ok, definitely the flash-nonfree downloads 11.1.102.63, though 11.2.202.228 is available at adobe.. abrotman: me? ;) |
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| 00:59.54 | abrotman | EdePopede: it means maybe bartm didn't update his stuff yet |
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| 01:01.11 | EdePopede | that's what i think.. only i tried to look through the script and got stuck. too much shell magic atm |
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| 01:04.36 | seeker61 | when i boot using grub and squeeze the monitor turns off and on several times and the final setting is not the one i want. I go to the monitor and change resolution to 800X660 or something like that and then revert back to original and it is then correct. What do I need to do |
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| 01:15.18 | keyzs | nsadmin now is working |
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| 03:06.13 | xispirito | cool eh? |
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| 03:12.55 | cantido | xispirito: do you have any iptables stuff setup? I've seen packet injection etc fail with certain firewall setups |
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| 03:22.54 | nejucomo | I'm attempting to add an apt repo for ubuntu jaunty specific to chromium-browser daily builds as on this page: http://penguininside.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-setup-chromium-google-chrome.html |
| 03:23.02 | nejucomo | Is this crazy? Will it work? |
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| 03:23.35 | cantido | why do you want daily builds o_O |
| 03:23.35 | nejucomo | If I run apt-get update I see it hitting that source, but if I apt-cache show chromium-browser or apt-get install, it only shows version 6.0 (the squeeze version). |
| 03:23.57 | nejucomo | Hm. Well, I don't want daily builds actually. I want the most recently released version. |
| 03:24.11 | cantido | there isnt a backport? |
| 03:24.17 | nejucomo | All the cool kids with auto-updating chrome have version 18.something. Squeeze has version 6.something. |
| 03:24.33 | nejucomo | duckduckgoes for debian squeeze backports. |
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| 03:26.21 | cantido | because stable doesnt change.. doest mean there isnt a backport from testing or unstable |
| 03:26.55 | cantido | a daily build might have a bunch of broken stuff .. you probably dont want that |
| 03:27.38 | nejucomo | Hm. I just added squeeze backports, apt-get update'd, then ran "apt-get -t squeeze-backports chromium-browser" and it says it's already at the newest version. |
| 03:27.58 | nejucomo | pokes around the debian web interface to see if chromium-browser is in backports and which version. |
| 03:28.22 | xispirito | cantido, yes i have |
| 03:28.28 | nairb- | nejucomo: I think it'd be safer to try using a linux mint debian edition chrome package than to try using ubuntu... lmde is more compatible with debian. |
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| 03:30.59 | jbrks | nairb-, i think ubuntu is more mature than mint |
| 03:31.07 | jbrks | nairb-, wrong channel to be talking about this.. |
| 03:31.12 | jbrks | steps back.. |
| 03:32.01 | nairb- | jbrks: how's it the wrong channel? he's asking about installing non-standard packages in debian.... seems very appropriate to me. |
| 03:32.24 | cantido | jbrks: nairb- probably means that the packages in mint use more of the same versions etc as debian, not which is more "mature" |
| 03:32.25 | nairb- | jbrks: I moved from ubuntu to lmde because I found ubuntu to be too unstable... so I also disagree with you about that. |
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| 03:32.50 | cantido | either way, installing random .debs is a stupid idea |
| 03:33.12 | nejucomo | What do you mean by random, cantido? |
| 03:33.13 | nairb- | yeah, i am referring to compatibility when I made that suggestion, not maturity |
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| 03:33.55 | nairb- | lmde is supposed to be completely compatible with debian. it really is just debian with extra sources. you can even migrate from debian to lmde by changing your sources.list and update/upgrading |
| 03:34.11 | cantido | nejucomo: packages that arent built against the same stuff as your system |
| 03:34.57 | cantido | theres a reason the backports repo exists |
| 03:35.50 | nejucomo | cantido: I realize that. But backports doesn't appear to have chromium. |
| 03:35.57 | nejucomo | I'd love it if it did. |
| 03:36.16 | nejucomo | If there were a way I could contribute to that with a limited time budget, I would. |
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| 03:36.48 | nejucomo | I suppose I could try building chromium releases on squeeze from source and if I'm successful at that, I'd be in a good position to help with backports. |
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| 03:42.22 | nairb- | since lmde is based on debian ,..... anyone have any idea why there'd be packages that are available in debian that aren't in lmde ? |
| 03:42.41 | nairb- | specifically I can't find mongodb-server on my lmde desktop, but it is available on my squeeze server |
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| 03:56.42 | cantido | nejucomo: I'll probably get told off by the #debian thought police for saying this.. but for desktops where you just want the latest stuff, and dont have much to lose if it explodes, running testing is a decent option |
| 03:57.30 | LtL | nairb-: My guess is 'based on debian' means just that, it's based on debian, not identical to same or it would be debian. Sounds logical right? |
| 03:58.16 | nejucomo | cantido: That was untenable for me. It lasted less than one day when packages I needed which were in squeeze were unavailable in testing. |
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| 03:58.48 | cantido | nejucomo: stuff that didnt make its way into testing because of issues? |
| 03:59.28 | nejucomo | I'm not sure. I just ran "apt-cache search collectd" (for example) and it wasn't available and had some message about being mentioned by other packages. |
| 03:59.39 | starlyle | Sorry to bother everyone, but I'm having trouble with my wife's computer letting Mint be installed. I know it's a debian OS. Anyone able to help |
| 04:00.05 | nejucomo | -at which point I decided mucking with the unpredictability of testing package stability was not worth my time at work. |
| 04:00.05 | nevyn | !mint |
| 04:00.06 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 04:00.08 | nairb- | LtL: yea, seems weird though... I mean, in their faq it says: "2. Is LMDE fully compatible with Debian?: Yes, 100%. LMDE is compatible with repositories designed for Debian Testing or Debian Squeeze." |
| 04:00.17 | nairb- | shuold I just add debian repos to my sources.list ? |
| 04:00.21 | nejucomo | (On my home systems, I don't mind nearly as much though. ;-) |
| 04:00.34 | channa | liboobs-1-4 |
| 04:00.36 | channa | wtf, rofl |
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| 04:00.39 | channa | not even goin there |
| 04:00.49 | channa | i just noticed that haha |
| 04:01.26 | LtL | nairb-: try apt-cache search ^collectd |
| 04:02.00 | nairb- | cmon guys, I know LMDE isn't debian, but I"m looking for a reasonable way of having a server on which I can have the same set of programming language versions as my desktop and I don't want to run a debian desktop. there's nothing wrong with talking about other debian based distros in a debian channel, especially from the perspective of package compatibility. |
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| 04:02.36 | cantido | nairb-: except that it's the rule here that debian based distros arent supported |
| 04:02.45 | nairb- | LtL: i think that was someone else asking about collectd |
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| 04:03.11 | LtL | nairb-: damn, sorry about that. |
| 04:03.38 | LtL | nejucomo: apt-cache search ^collectd |
| 04:03.46 | nairb- | cantido: I"m not asking for "support." |
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| 04:04.38 | cantido | nairb-: well, it depends on who's awake whether to offtopicness is strictly policed or not.. I do agree that people are a little bit OTT about this stuff |
| 04:05.03 | nejucomo | LtL: The system which was (incorrectly?) using testing is suspended and frozen and now I'm happily using squeeze with occasional backports and *cough* the google chrome repository. |
| 04:05.48 | nairb- | is there a mint irc channel ? |
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| 04:08.14 | Rusty1 | nairb-: yes, /server irc.spotchat.org, /join #linuxmint-help |
| 04:08.45 | LtL | nejucomo: squeeze and google chromium here too and works great. |
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| 04:10.01 | LtL | nejucomo: just wondering why you couldn't locate collectd |
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| 04:11.46 | nejucomo | LtL: Probably because I did a s/squeeze/wheezy/g in sources.list; apt-get dist-upgrade; found some stuff missing; panicked; did a s/wheezy/squeeze/g; tried uninstalling and reinstalling stuff. |
| 04:11.49 | nejucomo | ;-) |
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| 04:21.26 | OldParr | a live image file for usb can be used in a DVD too? |
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| 04:22.47 | somiaj | OldParr: which live image, you need the hybrid-iso images (the usb-hdd images may not work) |
| 04:23.03 | somiaj | but the default imeages are all hybrid-iso so they work on both |
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| 04:25.22 | OldParr | somiaj: file name is debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.img but i do not remember if it is usb-hdd or hybrid-iso |
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| 04:26.19 | OldParr | is there a way to know if it is usb-hdd or hybrid-iso ? |
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| 04:26.34 | Dulak | OldParr: try to mount it on the loopback as an iso type and see if it errors out is the quick way I can think of |
| 04:27.07 | somiaj | OldParr: I think it is usb-hdd (its .img) the hybrid are otherwise .iso |
| 04:27.29 | OldParr | i tried to burn it to DVD but the burner says it do not like the format |
| 04:27.41 | Dulak | then it's not an iso |
| 04:28.03 | MStoykov | question for squeeze: I have my root(/) on an lvm on top of software raid1 and my /boot on another software raid1. The kernel boots then it says it can't find logical volume <my root> and drops me into what I suppose is busybox. If I scan for the raids and vgscan and lvscan and it boots ..... Any guidelines on what to do (I tried some of the stuff but am not really sure which of them were for grub2 and which for grub1). |
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| 04:28.09 | OldParr | Dulak: that means is usb-hdd ? |
| 04:28.16 | MStoykov | and sorry for the long question :( |
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| 04:29.56 | Dulak | OldParr: it's a definite possibility |
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| 04:30.06 | OldParr | somiaj: i readed in wikipwdia that a .iso is the same than a .img ...? |
| 04:30.33 | somiaj | OldParr: .iso usually means an iso file system image, .img can be various types of other non-iso images |
| 04:30.45 | somiaj | OldParr: but I am going off of what they are called on the download pages |
| 04:30.52 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/ |
| 04:31.05 | somiaj | OldParr: check the difference in naming convention between iso-hybrid and usb-hdd images |
| 04:31.24 | Dulak | OldParr: .img usually means some disk images, not iso format |
| 04:32.18 | OldParr | Dulak: yes, i think that extension is an intent to say what the file is |
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| 04:33.32 | ultra420 | helllo,guys. i have been banned from #gentoo |
| 04:33.47 | ultra420 | 'caz i paste my website url..but why? |
| 04:34.10 | ultra420 | i didn't make an ad over there...i just want s.b. test my website. |
| 04:34.42 | ultra420 | i can't access to it in my Country,but it was accessable from other country. |
| 04:34.43 | somiaj | ultra420: and you will be banned here for talking about #gentoo politics in here. |
| 04:34.56 | Dulak | OldParr:the hdd images all have .img in the name. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/bt-hdd/ |
| 04:34.59 | ultra420 | -_-b no..plz |
| 04:35.21 | ultra420 | my os is gentoo now,but i am a solid debian user for 2+ years |
| 04:35.40 | somiaj | ultra420: if you have a debian question (I'm doubting you don't) you can ask. As for your #gentoo problems, go talk to their ops. |
| 04:35.56 | ultra420 | Dear somiaj ,thanks |
| 04:36.09 | ultra420 | is there any channel for useless chatting ? plz? |
| 04:36.22 | ultra420 | i just want to make some complain about my fucking country. |
| 04:36.25 | ultra420 | China |
| 04:36.52 | nairb- | ultra420: ä½ å¥½ |
| 04:36.54 | ultra420 | so, i was banned again.. |
| 04:37.02 | ultra420 | no Chinese! |
| 04:37.11 | nairb- | ultra420: why not? |
| 04:37.13 | OldParr | Dulak: if i can mount it in a loopback then it is not USB-HDD ? |
| 04:37.23 | nairb- | ultra420: you're from china but don't speak chinese? |
| 04:37.35 | ultra420 | to nairb- : i hate the country. |
| 04:37.47 | ultra420 | nairb-: stop useless talking in this channel. |
| 04:37.56 | Dulak | OldParr: what type of fs does it mount as when you mount to the loopback? you can mount iso or usb-hdd on the loopback using the type |
| 04:38.17 | Dulak | OldParr: so you can try one then the other and see which one mounts correctly |
| 04:38.27 | nairb- | ultra420: heh... i like china. can you sign up for amazon ec2 from there? just get an ec2 instance and use it as a web proxy |
| 04:38.46 | Dulak | OldParr: or try to automount it and look at the output of mount for the type |
| 04:39.00 | ultra420 | Dear nairb- ,-_-b,this is not the question,my vps in American was banned by GFW,now... |
| 04:39.23 | Dulak | I have an ec2 node running a vpn with a web proxy. It's quite useful. |
| 04:39.31 | nairb- | ultra420: hm? you joined a few minutes ago complaining about getting banned from other channels, and you're telling *me* to stop talking? |
| 04:39.47 | ultra420 | i used to have vpn server on my vps. |
| 04:40.02 | nairb- | ultra420: it's pretty easy to change the IP address of an ec2 instance |
| 04:40.03 | ultra420 | But they were banned by my country's firewall,The great GFW |
| 04:40.18 | ultra420 | Dear nairb- ,it is not the problem about ip address. |
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| 04:40.57 | nairb- | ultra420: how else can they block it besides by IP? I've lived in china and never had a problem as long as I had some vps's somewhere. |
| 04:41.40 | OldParr | nairb-: ultra420 has left the channel |
| 04:41.48 | nairb- | oops |
| 04:42.14 | nairb- | maybe china kicked him out ;-) |
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| 04:43.44 | Dulak | Gave me an idea to sell vpns as a service. |
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| 04:44.15 | nairb- | there are companies offering it |
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| 04:44.47 | nairb- | on a larger scale though, if you're trying to sell to chinese, you do need a lot of IPs |
| 04:45.12 | nairb- | might be better to try to set it up on ipv6 or something |
| 04:45.29 | nairb- | but china could still just block the whole cidr if that was your only service |
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| 05:11.20 | innociv | If I have a service bound to 127.0.0.1 can I have it accessible by the servers ip? I have a service that I can't get to bind to my public ip. |
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| 05:12.43 | dondelelcaro | innociv: why can't you bind it to your public ip? |
| 05:14.19 | innociv | No idea. I'm just getting started with Amazon EC2. Lighttpd is showing publically without a problem. |
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| 05:15.37 | somiaj | I belive on EC2 you bind it to some internal ip (like 192.168.x.x) and then they route things for you depending on if you use an static ip or not. |
| 05:15.49 | somiaj | did you open up the ports in your default firewall? |
| 05:16.49 | centHOGG | doesn't it depend on what you are trying to do |
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| 05:17.54 | innociv | Yes I opened the ports on firewall. First thing I thought |
| 05:18.00 | innociv | Let me try binding to private IP. That sounds right.. |
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| 05:18.46 | innociv | Lol that was it :( |
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| 05:18.48 | innociv | I thought I tried that already |
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| 05:21.44 | tobago | why this fails: https://gist.github.com/2303684 ? |
| 05:22.06 | tobago | restarting the cups server fails.... |
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| 05:33.50 | epsilon | tobago: cause of /111 netmask? |
| 05:34.07 | tobago | epsilon: yes |
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| 05:44.04 | tobago | i fully qualified the range by "Allow 192.168.2.100 / 192.168.2.124" and it worked... |
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| 05:52.45 | MStoykov | question for squeeze: I have my root(/) on an lvm on top of software raid1 and my /boot on another software raid1. The kernel boots then it says it can't find logical volume <my root> if I assemble the soft raids manually and then vgscan it will boot. Any ideas ? I suppose it doesn't raid assemble before trying to mount '/' and rootdelay doesn't help (putted 30 seconds it takes 2 max) |
| 05:53.26 | nevyn | are the raid partitions set to autoraid? |
| 05:54.28 | MStoykov | yes |
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| 05:57.41 | MStoykov | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.36 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:58.44 | MStoykov | and the first soft raid (the boot) is assembled by grub ... |
| 05:58.51 | nevyn | did you run update-initrd after booting into the system? |
| 05:59.19 | MStoykov | I just looked at the fdisk -l and the only ... interesting thing is that the root is on logical partition |
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| 05:59.32 | MStoykov | nevyn: yes ... I actually rebooted for kernel update |
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| 06:02.12 | MStoykov | any other ideas :) ? |
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| 06:04.53 | nevyn | did you run mdmadm --examine --scan > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and run update-initrd |
| 06:05.16 | nevyn | the only thing I keep thinking of is if the mdadm.conf in the initrd is wrong because the one on the lvm volume is wrong. |
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| 06:05.35 | drhouse123 | Hi! What is mean 'overwriting free space' in Bleachbit utility ? Is it safe? |
| 06:08.39 | MStoykov | nevyn: I did ... I redid it just now and there is no difference in the file :( |
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| 06:10.22 | drhouse123 | Oh, I understood |
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| 06:25.09 | dalkor | I for the most part am a linux newb. I recently purchased a dedicated server for a variety of reasons and chose Debian as my linux distro. While I can navigate around with out too much hassle I am finding myself googling for fixes way more often then I think I should. Could anyone suggest any reading, maybe a guide so that I may become more familiar with the system. |
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| 06:26.50 | nevyn | googles for fixes at least 3 times a day |
| 06:27.06 | nevyn | dalkor: the debian administration guide is probably a good place to start |
| 06:27.08 | nevyn | !dag |
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| 06:27.20 | nevyn | !user guide |
| 06:27.21 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
| 06:27.34 | dalkor | ok, thank you :) |
| 06:27.35 | nevyn | dalkor: ^^ |
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| 06:31.11 | dalkor | also I'm thinking I may have installed a bunch of bloat last night while following a silly tutorial. If I wanted to start from scratch would it be better to partition the drive and install a second iteration of Debian on said partition, or would it be better to do a complete reinstall. |
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| 06:34.07 | pipolandi | :) |
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| 06:35.27 | dalkor | or are there any commands I can run on my current server to revert to a fresh state? |
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| 06:45.19 | somiaj | dalkor: you could use aptitude and install all packes except those wth prioirty standard or higher |
| 06:45.27 | somiaj | sorry I mean remove |
| 06:46.12 | somiaj | so aptitude search ~i~poptional |
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| 06:47.13 | somiaj | and aptitude esarch ~i~pextra |
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| 06:48.39 | dalkor | awesome, thank you :D |
| 06:48.43 | somiaj | dalkor: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities -- if you want more info on prorities |
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| 06:49.46 | somiaj | standard and above is a fairly minimial system, so I would only remove the optional and extra packages |
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| 07:00.23 | lorentzfactor | After installing fglrx the screen's refresh rate is extraordinarily slow, I've tried to google for a remedy but, haven't found anything. Anyone know what may be causing this? |
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| 07:02.51 | streuner | !fglrx |
| 07:02.52 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:03.26 | lorentzfactor | here's a vid of what it is doing. http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2dvk4cp&s=5 |
| 07:03.41 | lorentzfactor | I mean I've had this problem before and I fixed it, but I cannot remember for the life of me what it was |
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| 07:04.03 | lorentzfactor | just real shoddy refresh rate. |
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| 07:10.34 | TMinus36 | Having a small issue installing Debian 6.0.4 onto a Software Raid ... grub installation fails. Tried following directions wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid .. get to the point of selecting root but raided devices do not show up. cat /proc/mdstat is empty, yet when I boot back into the installer it shows my partitions and raid setup. Any hints or direction would be appreciated. My fingers hurt from googling for the last 30 minutes |
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| 07:16.19 | peterrooney | how does one go about _setting_ a disk's UUID? |
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| 07:18.25 | rwp | TMinus36, You said software raid but that wiki page seems very confused. How did you set up your partitions? |
| 07:18.40 | streuner | peterrooney: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 07:20.05 | peterrooney | streuner: which tells us all about why it's needed and that you can tell fstab to use it... |
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| 07:21.11 | rwp | TMinus36, I think your best strategy is to ignore that wiki page, I just read through it, it is terrible and out of date, and simpy use the debian-installer to set up software raid. Works great. I always set up software raid. |
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| 07:24.18 | rwp | peterrooney, Setting a uuid on a extX filesystem? Use 'tune2fs -U UUID' to do that. |
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| 07:24.42 | ennio | hi |
| 07:24.44 | ennio | !list |
| 07:24.45 | dpkg | ennio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 07:24.51 | rwp | peterrooney, But if other than extX such as a software raid then you would use mdadm. And so forth for other devices. |
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| 07:24.57 | TMinus36 | rwp: I'm on my third try. First I allowed the debian installer to setup the raid/ manually creating partitions/ setup the raid volume and formatting. Everything goes fine until installing grub, which point, it attempts to install to /dev/sda which I would think it should install into /dev/md0, no? The second time I tried again thinking I forgot to set the bootable flag, not sure if grub cares about that when installing, but everything se |
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| 07:25.43 | rwp | TMinus36, If it is Squeeze then the default should give you options to install to both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb with checkboxes for each. |
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| 07:25.48 | TMinus36 | rwp: and for the record the wiki was a bit confusing and a last resort. This is my first time with issues. |
| 07:25.57 | peterrooney | thanks! |
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| 07:26.30 | rwp | This was actually much easier with the older grub. You could go interactively and then use it to set grub up on each disk individually. |
| 07:26.34 | TMinus36 | rwp: Actually it automatically tries to install after asking me if I'd like to install to the MBR. I do not recall a select of where to install. |
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| 07:26.42 | TMinus36 | selection* |
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| 07:27.29 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
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| 07:27.40 | rwp | The newer grub doesn't have an interactive mode and uses grub-install. And of course the installer is driving it behind the scenes. So it is more confusing. |
| 07:27.55 | rwp | I am racking my brain trying to remember the exact screens and process. |
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| 07:28.39 | jomofcw | Under Squeeze version, using VSFTPd, and using local user : I can define a home directory. But how can I ensure that the user won't see anything else than this home directory (i.e. not the parents directory of this directory) ? please. |
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| 07:30.10 | TMinus36 | rwp: I see. Is there a way to drop back to the older grub within the squeeze install? It sounds like this may just be an issue with grub2 ? |
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| 07:30.43 | rwp | TMinus36, Unfortunately no. Not without installing using the Lenny installer. But really it does work okay with the Squeeze installer too. |
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| 07:31.07 | rwp | TMinus36, I am thinking of running through a VM installation real quick just to get to the screen so that I can remember the details. |
| 07:32.04 | TMinus36 | rwp: I would appreciate that. I was starting to wonder if it were grub or the particular hardware setup. I've done this install with this same iso at least 20 times this year, first issue. Same standard partition scheme too. |
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| 07:32.36 | TMinus36 | I may have to take an early lunch and grab some "java" as this has put my brain to its limits for the time being. :) |
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| 07:33.15 | TMinus36 | rwp: I look forward to hearing anything you can recommend aftering running it through a VM. I am going to escape and grab some coffee. I'll be back shortly. Thanks in advance for both the current advice and anything else you can offer me. |
| 07:33.38 | rwp | TMinus36, Starting a KVM installation right now. |
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| 07:44.28 | jomofcw | Under Squeeze version, using VSFTPd, and using local user : I can define a home directory. But how can I ensure that the user won't see anything else than this home directory (i.e. not the parents directory of this directory) ? please. |
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| 07:52.16 | TMinus36 | rwp: See any gotcha's that I may have missed? |
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| 07:52.27 | afidegnum | hello good morning, pls how do we flush sessions from firefox? |
| 07:52.30 | afidegnum | heyy |
| 07:52.32 | afidegnum | ftp |
| 07:52.55 | rwp | TMinus36, I didn't make the most optimal VM setup to test this. But it is 37% of the way through installing. Not yet to the grub questions yet. |
| 07:53.01 | afidegnum | I want to use the comand line to flush the ftp sessions created by filezilla |
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| 07:53.30 | TMinus36 | rwp: Understood. I can be patient for at least 6.5 hours. No worries. =) |
| 07:53.43 | rwp | What timezone are you in? |
| 07:53.54 | TMinus36 | CST |
| 07:54.02 | rwp | I am in US/Mountain. It is quite late here. |
| 07:54.11 | TMinus36 | Aye. I work 3rd shift. :D |
| 07:54.26 | TMinus36 | So it is 1am there? |
| 07:54.56 | rwp | afidegnum, What do you mean by "flush" sessions? Killing the process? |
| 07:55.07 | rwp | Yes almost 2am here. |
| 07:55.10 | afidegnum | yes |
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| 07:55.32 | rwp | For me I would 'ps -efH | grep processname" and then kill the processes. |
| 07:55.43 | afidegnum | rwp: in fact, not killing the filezilla process but disconnecting all the users connected |
| 07:55.53 | rwp | But you can use killall or pkill for similar processes. |
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| 07:56.29 | rwp | afidegnum, Sorry but not a filezilla user so I guess I don't know what you are trying to do and so can't help. |
| 07:57.35 | simonlnu | "flush session" sounds like you're trying to kill the process(es) |
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| 07:57.45 | jaggz- | I was hitting my webserver and I couldn't figure out why my website updates (cgi coding) were not showing. It turns out it was loading it from my local server (as if DNS was a half a year old). I shut down the local apache server and reloaded the page and only then did it begin loading it from the live/remote server. Anyone know how that happens? (Running firefox) |
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| 07:58.16 | rwp | TMinus36, Drat! I need to "yak shave" a little bit. I broke my local mirror yesterday and didn't fix it. Now I need it fixed. Stand by a little longer while I get my ducks in a row. |
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| 07:59.57 | TMinus36 | rwp: Roger. I'll be around. If it comes down to it I may just try an older installer to see if I can isolate this particular to squeeze or the squeeze installer. |
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| 08:00.21 | rwp | I have set up a bunch of raid machines with the squeeze installer. I know it works. |
| 08:00.41 | TMinus36 | *particular problem to squeeze ... |
| 08:00.44 | rwp | The problem is that I do it so routinely that I have automated most of it and so don't remember the details now off the top of my head. |
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| 08:01.28 | jomofcw | No one to help about vsftpd secure chroot ? please... |
| 08:01.42 | TMinus36 | I thought it would be like that for me, has been for quite a few installs, like I said this caught me off guard and was a first time. This is why I thought iso corruption, hardware issue, then wanted to blame grub. :) |
| 08:01.49 | TMinus36 | rwp: ^ |
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| 08:02.34 | rwp | TMinus36, It actually didn't ask me. Because I mistakenly only set up only one disk so I created a degraded array of one disk. And with only one disk the installer knows there isn't a choice. |
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| 08:03.32 | rwp | In any case, I just booted a freshly installed VM from the squeeze installer using grub2. It worked. But now need to do it again to have the better test case. |
| 08:03.35 | impaktor | What's the kernel version in Squeeze? ("uname -a") |
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| 08:04.04 | TMinus36 | impaktor: 2.6.35-5 on the installer |
| 08:04.14 | impaktor | TMinus36: thanks |
| 08:04.21 | TMinus36 | rwp: Let me know. :) |
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| 08:04.25 | TMinus36 | impaktor: np |
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| 08:08.06 | basvas | hello, anybody know about LUKS (dm-crypt) + Kerberos Auth ? |
| 08:08.18 | rwp | TMinus36, This guide looks better for you. http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.boot-raid-squeeze&l=it |
| 08:08.26 | guardian | hi, is there a channel where ftp maintainers hang around? |
| 08:08.32 | tobago | how to find out my root password? i need for configuring cups. |
| 08:08.47 | nkuttler | tobago: you remember it from the install |
| 08:08.56 | tobago | when i remember correctly i left it blank when i installed debian. |
| 08:08.59 | nkuttler | !tell tobago about i forgot root's password |
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| 08:09.34 | rwp | tobago, If you left root blank then it would set your user up for sudo. Try sudo and see if that works for you. |
| 08:09.53 | TMinus36 | rwp: Looking now. |
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| 08:10.46 | tobago | rwp: sure it works to use "sudo christian". but i can't insert sudo into the realm auth for cups. |
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| 08:11.11 | jomofcw | Under Squeeze version, using VSFTPd, and using local user : I can define a home directory. But how can I ensure that the user won't see anything else than this home directory (i.e. not the parents directory of this directory) ? please. |
| 08:11.22 | rwp | tobago, But if you have sudo then you can set a root password. Use: sudo passwd root |
| 08:12.26 | tobago | rwp: ah. yeah. true. thanks. :) |
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| 08:12.49 | cantido | jomofcw: sounds like you want chrooting or jailing |
| 08:12.55 | rwp | tobago, or also 'sudo bash' or 'sudo -s' and so forth. Enjoy! |
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| 08:14.26 | TMinus36 | rwp: Starting to think it may be a corrupted iso. Won't even allow me to change the bootable flag as even per the screenshot states should be possible. =) |
| 08:15.01 | TMinus36 | Let me try downloading again. Though this iso was just used a few times over the weekend. Hmm. |
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| 08:26.19 | jomofcw | cantido hello ^^ jailing seems to be the right word :). |
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| 08:26.42 | jomofcw | cantido I don't want my FTP user to see anything else than him hom directory. |
| 08:27.46 | somiaj | jomofcw: they call it a chroot in linux (and unforntally a chroot is fairly easy to break out of if anyone gains root privlages) |
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| 08:33.45 | jomofcw | somiaj and so... how ? |
| 08:34.12 | jomofcw | How can I fix it ? Disable access to file out of the hom directory to my FTP user. Please. |
| 08:34.36 | somiaj | jomofcw: your users shouldn't have root privlages, usually there is a chroot users to home directory option. |
| 08:35.04 | TMinus36 | impaktor: Better late than never. Looks like I typo'd above. 2.6.32-5 is what the installer is stating is running. Sorry for the bad info earlier. |
| 08:35.36 | jomofcw | somiaj they have not imo :s... or dunno how they get it :/. |
| 08:35.45 | jomofcw | I just create it using a adduser command |
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| 08:36.03 | jomofcw | adding it to a custom group that i just create previously using addgroup |
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| 08:38.07 | lasers` | What is the command to kill processes gracefully? "killall command?" |
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| 08:38.22 | somiaj | seems you just need to edit the file /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and use the option chroot_local_user=YES |
| 08:38.45 | somiaj | lasers`: find the pid, and send it a nice kill signal |
| 08:39.01 | impaktor | TMinus36: ok |
| 08:39.02 | somiaj | lasers`: programs respond to signlas differently, there is a SIGQUIT |
| 08:39.28 | somiaj | lasers`: kill -l to list all the signals by number. |
| 08:40.21 | lasers` | somiaj: I see. So "killall" does kill -15 (SIGTERM). I tend to use pkill |
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| 08:41.23 | lasers` | Oh that's SIGTERM too. |
| 08:41.49 | josen | lasers, without you reading up on signales, I'd suggest "kill -9 1" |
| 08:42.27 | somiaj | well if you want it to exit gravefully, send it a sigquit, or -3 |
| 08:42.27 | lasers` | That's init. :P |
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| 08:42.49 | somiaj | -9 will kill anything forcefully |
| 08:43.03 | josen | lasers, you dont say ;-) |
| 08:43.13 | lasers` | somiaj: I'll try it in the future. My Chrome always cause high spikes in CPU/MEM. :( |
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| 08:43.45 | saedelaere | hi |
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| 08:43.54 | saedelaere | installed debian squeeze |
| 08:44.19 | saedelaere | when i install phpmyadmin |
| 08:44.53 | saedelaere | the folder /etc/phpmyadmin looks like this afterwards |
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| 08:45.32 | saedelaere | http://pastebin.com/CRKdYNNL |
| 08:45.50 | saedelaere | so there are missing configuration files |
| 08:46.03 | saedelaere | the ones missing are listed here |
| 08:46.04 | saedelaere | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/phpmyadmin/filelist |
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| 08:46.33 | saedelaere | why are these files missing? |
| 08:46.38 | josen | saedelaere, do apt-get remove --purge, then update sources, delete directory and try again :) |
| 08:47.01 | somiaj | !confmiss |
| 08:47.01 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 08:49.03 | saedelaere | very cool |
| 08:49.14 | saedelaere | thanks a lot somiaj |
| 08:49.30 | saedelaere | josen, that was what I already tried :) |
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| 08:53.21 | rwp | TMinus36, Ran the test. Learned that the installer just assumes the first disk drive. |
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| 08:53.47 | rwp | TMinus36, Meaning that after booting to the system you need to run grub-install on the second disk drive too. |
| 08:53.53 | lasers` | I think it prompts you and you assume it was first disk drive? |
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| 08:54.28 | rwp | TMinus36, And by first disk drive for me in my test it was /dev/vda but on a real system it would be /dev/sda and you should manually run 'grub-install /dev/sdb' to ensure that you can boot from either disk. |
| 08:54.31 | TMinus36 | rwp: Out of curiosity which version of the installer are you using? Netinstall, full cd, etc? And the problem is the booting to the system. I cannot get grub to install on any partition. |
| 08:54.49 | TMinus36 | Not even manually. |
| 08:54.58 | rwp | TMinus36, I usually pull each disk individually to test that grub is okay on either disk. |
| 08:55.08 | rwp | I am using a netinstall with a full local mirror. |
| 08:55.27 | TMinus36 | Unfortunately, pulling disks isn't an option as this is being installed via IPMI. |
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| 08:56.25 | rwp | IPMI? As in a remote console? |
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| 08:56.36 | TMinus36 | I have noone in the DC atm. Unless I want a slight pay cut for the week for some onsite assistance. This isn't that much of a priority. Annoying though as it may be I may have to have someone run down in the morning. |
| 08:56.56 | TMinus36 | rwp: Aye ... |
| 08:57.07 | TMinus36 | Supermicro boxen. |
| 08:57.43 | rwp | I haven't played with those myself. But I do have a lot of experience with the HP iLO ones on the proliant servers. |
| 08:57.54 | vz2icarly | hi i installed debian to usb hdd with a mbr (its bootable) but when i select the debian from the grub upon boot from usb it gives an error 17, please help to startup from this device |
| 08:58.33 | TMinus36 | rwp: Extremely similar. I imagine it has all the same stuff. Remote power controls, console, etc. |
| 08:58.47 | rwp | Yes. All of the niceties. |
| 08:58.50 | TMinus36 | Haven't touched HP iLO in quite some time. :) |
| 08:59.49 | vz2icarly | anyone got this one? |
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| 09:00.06 | TMinus36 | Most of my remote installs are done through this process. So I am not thinking it is related to the software involved in terms of the connection. I'm leaning towards something else. I am trying to work off a full cd and see if I run into a similar issue. |
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| 09:00.10 | TMinus36 | rwp: ^ |
| 09:00.16 | TMinus36 | After this I will give up. Thanks for all your help and patience btw. |
| 09:01.03 | TMinus36 | vz2icarly: Sounds like grub is attempting to load the wrong partition. |
| 09:01.33 | vz2icarly | tminus36 how to resolve? |
| 09:01.47 | vz2icarly | also thatnk for the help |
| 09:02.02 | rwp | TMinus36, you are past my scrollback. You said it it doesn't ever give you the option to install grub? It definitely does for me. I should have saved a screenshot. |
| 09:02.23 | TMinus36 | Grub and myself are not getting along at the moment. Though if I were to be so bold I would suggest booting back into the rescue cd and check the partition scheme 'fdisk -l /dev/sd(x)' and manually try installing grub again. |
| 09:02.28 | TMinus36 | vz2icarly: ^ |
| 09:02.43 | TMinus36 | vz2icarly: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 09:02.58 | TMinus36 | rwp: Yeah it just rolls through and installs to the MBR> |
| 09:03.13 | TMinus36 | Attempting fullcd now. I'll let you know if I encounter the same. |
| 09:03.32 | rwp | TMinus36, About half way down the page in the link I sent you is the screen that I see when I install. |
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| 09:04.12 | rwp | I can't imagine the full cd to be different from the netinst disk. I haven't seen any difference between them. I have used either interchangably. |
| 09:04.56 | TMinus36 | rwp: At my ropes end. :) |
| 09:04.56 | scientes | has done manual grub recovery/install way too many times |
| 09:05.03 | rwp | To ask some other questions, if you "go back" you should get into the expert mode. There are lots of choices. If it has a choice "continue without a bootloader" then that means that the partition scheme you have can't be booted. |
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| 09:05.32 | rwp | I think you might be hitting that case. If the partition scheme can't support grub then it won't offer it. Since you say it isn't offering it then it implies that your partition scheme can't support it. |
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| 09:06.20 | rwp | I almost always create a separate 256M /boot partition. In the old days of lvm on root that enabled lilo and grub to boot a root lvm system. |
| 09:06.35 | TMinus36 | rwp: Aye I am leaning that way as well. I'll do some more testing and get back. I may just 'dd' the drives to elminate any potential partitioning issues and see if that helps. |
| 09:06.38 | rwp | Works now anyway. But if you set up a /boot partition that should be failsafe. |
| 09:07.10 | TMinus36 | I am using a /boot, swap, / scheme atm. |
| 09:07.14 | rwp | I am thinking that something in the way you have done the partitioning is causing problems. And without seeing everything it would be hard to guess. But here is another idea... |
| 09:07.51 | rwp | Try setting up a scratch install with only one disk, without raid, without lvm, just a simple scheme and observing the behavior. I am sure you will be offered the grub install then. |
| 09:08.12 | cantido | rwp: I still wouldnt rely on any boot loader being able to do what it says it can.. |
| 09:08.16 | rwp | Using /boot, swap, / sounds good. That should definitely work. Just brainstorming with you. |
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| 09:09.09 | TMinus36 | rwp: No I know, which I do appreciate. I may just end up doing that. I've reinstalled a few times already. Trying a single disk install wouldn't hurt just to see the outcome. |
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| 09:09.25 | rwp | I normally use a raid1 mirror with /boot on /dev/md0 and lvm on /dev/md1, 2, 3 with 250G physical volumes all joined together into one volume group and then logical partitions for root and /var and such after that point. That definitely works. |
| 09:09.38 | TMinus36 | Midway through the full cd tset and if that doesn't work I'll revert to single disk test. |
| 09:09.51 | jomofcw | thanks somiaj ^^ ! It works :). |
| 09:09.58 | rwp | full cd tset? You really only need CD #1. |
| 09:10.04 | TMinus36 | rwp: As much as I'd like to actually do it that. Specific client partition instructions on this case. =) |
| 09:10.14 | TMinus36 | rwp: I meant just that. cd1 |
| 09:10.15 | TMinus36 | ;) |
| 09:10.24 | TMinus36 | do it that way* |
| 09:10.48 | rwp | Okay. And my suggestion was just for a test installation to verify that things work in teh simple case. Then make a modification from there for the "real" installation. Sometimes you have to work up to it. |
| 09:10.52 | rwp | Good luck! |
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| 09:11.16 | TMinus36 | rwp: That is the current plan. Thanks for all your help. |
| 09:11.18 | jomofcw | somiaj If I could take more of your time plz : I've got another prob. My FTP user can't modify his home directory's files because I create it using root. How can I enable a full group (the new one I create for FTP user) to modify it, please ? |
| 09:11.34 | rwp | And it gave me a chance to clean up my local mirror. I still had lenny there and lenny went into the archive this week. So good clean up there. |
| 09:11.43 | TMinus36 | :) |
| 09:12.03 | TMinus36 | Spring cleaning can be a good thing sometimes. |
| 09:12.06 | rwp | And my kvm installation for raid1 testing I hadn't tried with two virtual disks before. That worked smoothly if twice as slow because it is all simulated. So also good learning for me. |
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| 09:14.18 | jomofcw | My VSFTPd users can't modify them home directory's files because I create it using root. How can I enable a full group (the new one I create for FTP user) to modify it, please ? |
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| 09:14.50 | nsadmin | you create what using root? |
| 09:14.56 | cantido | jomofcw: change the group on the files? |
| 09:14.58 | rwp | jomofcw, If the directory is owned by root then you will need to chown them to the right user and group. |
| 09:15.08 | nsadmin | (btw, if you are root you can also chown) |
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| 09:15.51 | impaktor | Unless I have acpi=off on kernel line, my laptop black-screens me. I've installed all drivers, inkl. non-free, and my graphics card is ATI Radeon 330M/340M/350M. But I need my acpi, so what can I do? |
| 09:17.45 | jomofcw | rwp cantido thanks for your answer. I'm a real newbie in Linux administration :/... how shall I do that ? man chown ? |
| 09:18.13 | rwp | jomofcw, What group name are you using for this user? |
| 09:18.31 | jomofcw | If rwp we could take the example of "myFTPuser". |
| 09:18.36 | rwp | It could be a group named the same as the user or it could be a differnet name such as "users". |
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| 09:19.09 | jomofcw | it's different. My user is call "name" and my group is call "myGroup" for example. |
| 09:19.18 | rwp | Then you could "sudo chown myFTPuser:myFTPgroup /home/ftpchroot/myFTPuser" |
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| 09:19.21 | innociv | http://tnypic.net/b23c1.jpg what is this? fuser using up all my cpu. Less than a day old amazon EC2 instance. |
| 09:19.24 | jomofcw | And I want each user in "myGroup" to be able to modify the files. |
| 09:19.24 | vz2icarly | hello all, i am back with same issue, after doing everything i coud think of (and everything you all had to say) booting from udb hdd is failing with an error 17 cannot mount selected partition |
| 09:20.27 | vz2icarly | how to resolve? |
| 09:22.36 | vz2icarly | anyone got this one? |
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| 09:23.20 | rwp | innociv, That is the php session cron cleaner. Let me look up the bug report number. |
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| 09:23.43 | innociv | Weird. I didn't have that happen on my other server. |
| 09:23.44 | rwp | jomofcw, chmod g+w on the directory so that it is writable by group. |
| 09:23.56 | vz2icarly | someone anyone? |
| 09:24.41 | rwp | innociv, The file in question is /etc/cron.d/php5 with the fuser in it. |
| 09:25.07 | boudiccas | vz2icarly, what is 'udb ' ? |
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| 09:25.32 | innociv | is there a patch for jsut that? |
| 09:26.01 | rwp | innociv, You can simply edit the file. It is in /etc and a conffile and your changes will be preserved. |
| 09:26.06 | rwp | previous versions did not have the fuser. |
| 09:26.07 | vz2icarly | boudiccas im sorry, what do you need from me? |
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| 09:26.20 | boudiccas | vz2icarly, what is 'udb'? |
| 09:26.25 | innociv | yeah i did sudo nano /etc/cron.d/php5 but what do i change the line to? |
| 09:26.57 | boudiccas | vz2icarly, you talk about a 'udb' harddrive, but what is 'udb'? |
| 09:27.13 | rwp | innociv, See Bug#626640 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626640 |
| 09:27.19 | vz2icarly | usb* |
| 09:28.00 | jomofcw | rwp still be : 550 Permission denied. :/ |
| 09:28.17 | vz2icarly | sorry for the typo... its late (2:28AM) |
| 09:28.18 | rwp | innociv, I don't actually know the right answer there. Previously it didn't have the fuser in it. But adding it doesn't really make sense to me either. |
| 09:28.36 | innociv | i see |
| 09:28.59 | jomofcw | rwp It change the owner of the directory but not of each element in the directory :/ I shall miss comething. |
| 09:29.13 | boudiccas | vz2icarly, if you dont get any replies/help ehere then ask the amiling list and you should get help there |
| 09:29.45 | jomofcw | rwp the owner of those file seems to be "10000" ... I haven't any user of this name oO. |
| 09:29.50 | vz2icarly | where to singup for mailing list? |
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| 09:30.16 | rwp | jomofcw, If you want to recursively change all of the files below then you can chown --recursive. |
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| 09:31.12 | sephii | is there a way to pipe stderr instead of stdout? i did "mycommand 2>&1 1>/dev/null | grep ..." is there an easier way to do this? |
| 09:32.01 | rwp | jomofcw, If the owner appears at a number then it means that the user isn't in your /etc/passwd file. |
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| 09:32.17 | jomofcw | rwp OK |
| 09:32.33 | rwp | That is a strange case. But not impossible. |
| 09:32.58 | nsadmin | is the same named user on both machines? |
| 09:33.00 | rwp | If you are setting up chroot's and a user exists in a chroot but not in the host then the host won't know the name and can only display the number. |
| 09:33.33 | innociv | I have two processes I see in htop and I can't seem to kill them. |
| 09:33.44 | rwp | The problem with IRC is that we only get very small snippets of information and yet the topic is complicated enough that it needs a whole tutorial to cover it properly. |
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| 09:34.04 | rwp | What have you tried? |
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| 09:35.06 | innociv | tried the f9 kill options in there, sudo killall name |
| 09:35.36 | innociv | sudo killall -9 name killed one of htem |
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| 09:36.18 | boudiccas | innociv, use top and 'k'ill |
| 09:36.19 | innociv | finally got it. |
| 09:37.12 | rwp | I usually just 'ps -ef | grep name' to get the pid then kill the process id. |
| 09:37.28 | rwp | Remember that you can't kill zombies. They are already dead. |
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| 09:37.55 | nsadmin | they're just not reaped yet |
| 09:38.00 | rwp | To kill zombies you must kill the parent process. |
| 09:38.09 | nsadmin | or reparent |
| 09:38.30 | rwp | Then the init process will inherit the child. init waits for all children. |
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| 09:46.03 | vdonnef | HI, i want to test emdebian on qemu so I compile kernel linux3.2, I made a debootstrap but now I wanted to do a initramfs, how to do that? I tried mkinitramfs -v 3.2 but it says "could not load /lib/modules/3.2 ... how install it? |
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| 09:47.00 | user0 | say Hello ! |
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| 09:47.46 | jomofcw | rwp doesn't work anymore :/. The owner is right, the CHMOD allow the owner to read and write... so what could be wrong according you, please :x ? |
| 09:47.53 | rwp | vdonnef, The "3.2" needs to match $(uname -r) |
| 09:48.41 | nsadmin | user0, perhaps there are some kernel on backports |
| 09:49.02 | rwp | jomofcw, If I were debugging it I would create a tmp directory mode rwxrwxrwx and then create a file there. Then look to see the owner and group of the created file. |
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| 09:49.18 | rwp | And when I say create a file there I mean through your ftp user. |
| 09:49.31 | jomofcw | OK I'll try |
| 09:49.32 | rwp | Because that is the user you need to set the directory to be owned and grouped by. |
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| 09:49.34 | vdonnef | rwp, uname -r => 3.0.0-17-generic-pae. Is it a problem since I compile a 3.2 linux kernel? |
| 09:49.59 | jomofcw | rwp : |
| 09:50.00 | jomofcw | Commande :MKD TMP |
| 09:50.00 | jomofcw | Réponse :550 Permission denied. |
| 09:50.00 | jomofcw | Commande :MKD /TMP |
| 09:50.00 | jomofcw | Réponse :550 Permission denied. |
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| 09:50.01 | rwp | vdonnef, The version string won't be simply 3.2. That is too few characters. |
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| 09:50.07 | jomofcw | xD |
| 09:50.12 | jomofcw | anyway you've got it |
| 09:50.32 | nsadmin | jomofcw, aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 09:50.58 | jomofcw | nsadmin ;) |
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| 09:51.59 | rwp | jomofcw, Sorry. I haven't ever used vsftpd. Your error looks like an error trying to make a /TMP directory from the ftp user. That won't work. Create the directory by root and then drop a file there by the ftp user. |
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| 09:52.20 | user0 | nsadmin: ty |
| 09:52.23 | vdonnef | rwp: I used http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 09:52.33 | rwp | I think my debugging technique is too much for an inexperienced user. You might need face to face help. |
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| 09:54.36 | babilen | vdonnef: You might have explained that before, but do you have a specific reason for not using a Debian kernel? |
| 09:55.11 | vdonnef | babilen : I want to test emdebian on qemu |
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| 09:55.59 | babilen | vdonnef: Please elaborate :) |
| 09:56.48 | jomofcw | rwp permission denied on file create :/. |
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| 09:58.32 | vdonnef | babilen : I'd like to compare debian version & emdebian for ARM. I followed some tuto and find the one who used the kernel 3.2 . What's the advantage of a debian kernell? what's the difference? |
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| 09:58.51 | rwp | jomofcw, Of course you would need to be root to be able to do any of those things. |
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| 10:00.55 | babilen | vdonnef: Well, first of all: It is easy to install and supported by us. Debian kernels typically also contain a number of patches that are not present in upstream ones. You can also use standard package management techniques to handle installed kernels. I typically never compile my own kernel unless I have to and I always use Debian kernels. See http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/patches/ for patches that are ... |
| 10:01.01 | babilen | ... included. |
| 10:01.02 | babilen | !tell vdonnef -about bdo |
| 10:01.03 | jomofcw | rwp I'm. But I try to create the file with the FTP User which is not root for sure. |
| 10:01.04 | babilen | !tell vdonnef -about bdo kernel |
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| 10:01.46 | thewanderer1 | jomofcw: so why is a failure surprising? :P |
| 10:02.32 | jomofcw | thewanderer1 ^^ hello ! Because I chown the files/directorys where I try to create the file to my FTP User :/. |
| 10:02.40 | rwp | jomofcw, Right. But if the user creates a file in a directory that is mode rwxrwxrwx then permissions will allow it. And then the owner and group of the file will be the same ower and group as the user. That is one way to find out what the user should be that should own the files. |
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| 10:02.59 | babilen | vdonnef: Could you provide the link to that tutorial -- It would help me to understand what you are doing. But please: Carry on, I was merely curious and wanted to point out that 3.2 kernel *are* available for Debian stable via backports. |
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| 10:03.51 | jomofcw | rwp I try on a 777 directory, but it doesn't work anymore :(. |
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| 10:04.23 | thewanderer1 | jomofcw: you are not root. you try to create /tmp → it fails. that's because you don't have the permissions to do that! |
| 10:04.25 | rwp | jomofcw, I think the chroot has confused you as to what paths are what paths between being inside and outside the chroot. |
| 10:04.36 | rwp | It is an easy confusion to get in that case. |
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| 10:05.59 | jomofcw | Hm :/... |
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| 10:06.20 | jomofcw | CHROOT make my ftp user root in his hom directory ? |
| 10:08.25 | Sm0ke0ut | possible, doesn't have to be :) |
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| 10:09.52 | jomofcw | erf anyway, I really need to fix that asap :/. |
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| 10:10.05 | jomofcw | DB is OK, apache/PHP OK too |
| 10:10.18 | jomofcw | but I really need to get this FTP work too :'(. |
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| 10:15.13 | scorpion-new | I am writing a bash script to check mysql database connectivity from a host |
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| 10:15.25 | scorpion-new | by using mysql -h hostname --user="XYZ" --password="anything" XYZ 2>&1 |grep -v "Access denied" if it is not able to connect to the host it will generate an error code of "0" else it will generate error code "1" but if no databse named XYZ exists on the host it will still generate erro code "1" any idea howto overcome this issue |
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| 10:22.32 | Sevet | scorpion-new: don't connect to the XYZ database |
| 10:22.39 | Sevet | mysql -h hostname --user="XYZ" --password="anything" 2>&1 |grep -v "Access denied" |
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| 10:23.24 | Sevet | you might also find the 'mysqladmin ping' command useful |
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| 10:24.53 | dawud | scorpion-new: you can also 'select 1 from DUAL' |
| 10:24.59 | scorpion-new | Sevet: actually this script will work as a module in the big monitoring script and will be deployed on many machines and i'll not be able to give password for everydatabase |
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| 10:26.30 | scorpion-new | dawud: "select 1 from DUAL" can you please explain . . |
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| 10:29.16 | babilen | scorpion-new: Most monitoring solutions (icinga, nagios, ...) have MySQL monitoring functionality. Why do you write it yourself? Sounds like NIH! (i.a. https://www.monitoringexchange.org/inventory/Check-Plugins/Database/MySQL/check_mysqld) |
| 10:30.20 | scorpion-new | babilen: actually we have nagios already running, but we have a plan to deploy some sort of host self monitoring on each host. which will be based on a bash script. . |
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| 10:31.06 | babilen | scorpion-new: Take a look at Icinga btw ... I just wanted to mention this and wasn't entirely sure what you were after. |
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| 10:32.33 | scorpion-new | babilen: actually each a host "A" has a database "A" on the Dbserver=DBserver, i want to check if the host "A" is able to connect to database="A" on the DB-server but don't want to provide password as i don't want to login to the database server. . |
| 10:35.06 | scorpion-new | babilen: is there anyway to do that. Actually we need to do this with bash ..and i am not too good in database shell scripting. . |
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| 10:35.46 | TMinus36 | rwp: I'd rather not attempt to try and reproduce. I believe I found the issue. Apparently there may have been some remienents of a GPT partition corrupting the entire partition scheme. Making grub throw off that error. Me and 'dd' have corrected the issue and grub appears to have installed properly. =) |
| 10:36.10 | rwp | TMinus36, Yay! |
| 10:36.23 | TMinus36 | In the meantime I imaged 2 other servers without trouble. Using the same netinstall image. lol |
| 10:36.28 | TMinus36 | :D :D |
| 10:37.19 | TMinus36 | rwp: Thanks for all your help again. You actually lead me in the direction I ended at when you suggested my partition scheme might be incorrectly set or the partitions may not be set to be bootable. |
| 10:37.43 | TMinus36 | So I went on an adventure wiping them and came across the GPT "leftovers". |
| 10:37.44 | TMinus36 | heh |
| 10:37.45 | rwp | At least it was something! |
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| 10:41.56 | scorpion-new | babilen: is the clear now |
| 10:42.50 | babilen | scorpion-new: What? I am not sure what the best way is to implement what you want and therefore decided not to give potentially wrong advice. |
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| 10:43.40 | scorpion-new | can I use netstat |grep mysql for the same purpose |
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| 10:47.06 | TMinus36 | rwp: All I ever ask for. =) |
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| 10:51.11 | nsadmin | what;s a .7z file? |
| 10:51.39 | petemc | 7zip |
| 10:53.12 | nsadmin | p7zip-full? |
| 10:53.40 | nsadmin | , versions p7zip-full |
| 10:53.41 | judd | Package: p7zip-full on i386 -- lenny: 4.58~dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; sid: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4; wheezy: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4 |
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| 10:55.34 | nsadmin | petemc, thanks :) |
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| 10:58.34 | petemc | np |
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| 11:04.39 | vdonnef | babilen: it's this one -> https://balau82.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/compile-linux-kernel-3-2-for-arm-and-emulate-with-qemu/ |
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| 11:15.10 | thewanderer1 | I've launched mcelog... now how do I know it's working and actually catching MCE's? :P |
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| 11:17.33 | innociv | ugh i patched that and it's still lagging. i'll try php |
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| 11:19.47 | jomofcw | Solve it ! With my VSFTPd problem : I just need to put write_enable to yes and umask to 022 ^^. |
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| 11:20.24 | nsadmin | the umask does what for you? |
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| 11:22.04 | jomofcw | Dunno :D ! |
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| 11:22.27 | jomofcw | I just know that each other ftpd service use the 022 where vsftpd use 077 |
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| 11:24.19 | ll1 | should i format drive or format volume? |
| 11:24.52 | rook2pawn | is there a way to install suckless-tools? its what holds back my apt-get upgrade |
| 11:25.57 | themill | rook2pawn: you need to provide a lot more information than that. Upgrade from what to what? "/msg dpkg bat" and provide the output it suggests at paste.debian.net |
| 11:26.22 | fasta | Is it possible to share a printer through the Internet easily (without random people being able to print)? |
| 11:26.42 | themill | rook2pawn: (there's a reasonably chance that you really want dist-upgrade not upgrade though) |
| 11:26.56 | rook2pawn | have you been able to install suckless-tools? |
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| 11:27.00 | ll1 | With a new harddrive, should I format drive or format volume? What is the diffs? |
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| 11:27.38 | Digdilem | strictly speaking, you don't format drives, only partitions - which are the same as volumes in this context |
| 11:28.04 | Digdilem | but software is vague at times and may use a user-friendly phrase like drive |
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| 11:30.51 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about getting the whole system running with hardening flags? I mean things like ASLR and a PaX header in /bin/su. some will require recompiles, others will be binary modifications, but... how to apply that system-wide? |
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| 11:31.47 | rook2pawn | themill: ok i pasted the output to http://paste.debian.net/162156/ |
| 11:31.53 | thewanderer1 | if I was dpkg, I'd get pretty angry if someone went to modify my binaries - so how do I tell it that I want to update the checksums? or should I do that before package build? |
| 11:32.13 | themill | thewanderer1: submitting patches to the maintainers as part of the hardening flags release goal for wheezy would be the best way |
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| 11:33.42 | themill | !btssmite rook2pawn |
| 11:33.43 | dpkg | beats rook2pawn around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if rook2pawn is running testing or unstable |
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| 11:34.15 | themill | !dbugs 665877 |
| 11:34.20 | dpkg | #665877:S[ncurses-term] ncurses-term: /usr/share/terminfo/s/st-256color conflicts with file from suckless-tools (pending); Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:33:01 UTC [666392] |
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| 11:35.31 | rook2pawn | themill: oh, so its an existing known bug then? |
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| 11:37.06 | rook2pawn | is there a way to remove suckless-tools from my required package list so i can upgrade what i have? |
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| 11:41.11 | thewanderer1 | themill: in my case, I may need to execute something like "paxctl -C -pemrxs /usr/sbin/grub" for it to work, which modifies the binary - how to integrate this with the packaging system? |
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| 11:42.08 | rook2pawn | how does one remove a package from being part of apt-get upgrade? |
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| 11:44.48 | thewanderer1 | rook2pawn: use apt-get install instead and list all packages that you want upgraded |
| 11:44.57 | thewanderer1 | or you could pin the package using apt pinning |
| 11:45.48 | rook2pawn | first option seems it could take hours |
| 11:46.51 | thewanderer1 | copying and pasting is not so hard :P |
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| 11:47.11 | rook2pawn | oh apt-geet install and paste the entire list minus suckless-tools ? |
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| 11:48.16 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 11:49.43 | thewanderer1 | themill: if I install hardening-wrapper and rebuild all packages, I should end up with RELRO and others, correct? |
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| 11:53.55 | rook2pawn | why would suckless-tools be part of stable if it doesnt get past testing? |
| 11:54.10 | rook2pawn | i only specifically use the stable list to avoid problems like this |
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| 12:03.42 | rook2pawn | my sources http://paste.debian.net/162159/ |
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| 12:04.17 | rook2pawn | however http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/suckless-tools shows that Package: suckless-tools (35-1) |
| 12:04.47 | rook2pawn | whereas based on my apt-get it tries to put in /var/cache/apt/archives/suckless-tools_38-1_amd64.deb |
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| 12:06.13 | rook2pawn | how to query stable to identify if it is 35 or 38 as the correct version? |
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| 12:06.57 | jelly | ,versions suckless-tools --arch amd64 |
| 12:06.58 | judd | Package: suckless-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 35-1; sid: 38-1; wheezy: 38-1 |
| 12:07.43 | jelly | rook2pawn: apt-cache policy packagename would show versions available from your configured repositories |
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| 12:08.36 | rook2pawn | has anyone been able to apt-get install suckless-tools? |
| 12:08.42 | jelly | thewanderer1: there is hardly ever a need to use _all_ the PAX flags; typical apps require only -m or -s |
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| 12:09.02 | anoob | if i do a boot with kernel 3.2, the screen gets messy for a while and then it turns black ... |
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| 12:09.09 | DaveNull | i remove it from sid as it causes conflicts with another package |
| 12:09.48 | thewanderer1 | jelly: I know - GRUB and some dynamic code programs like ioquake3 are not happy, though |
| 12:09.57 | jelly | thewanderer1: you could use a DPkg::Post-Invoke hook for apt, like debsums does |
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| 12:10.39 | thewanderer1 | jelly: oh, that would be great... although would it prevent me from messing up checksums? |
| 12:11.07 | thewanderer1 | perhaps that should be taken care of at the building stage? but I don't know how - makefile hacking? |
| 12:11.21 | nsadmin | anoob, don't do a boot with kernel 3.2 |
| 12:11.45 | anoob | nsadmin ? |
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| 12:13.10 | jelly | thewanderer1: you'd be able to fix the checksums at that point as well |
| 12:13.15 | nsadmin | I told my doctor... sometimes my foot hurts a lot... doctor says, do you do anything else with your foot? I say yeah, I shoot it with rubber bands... doctor says DON'T DO THAT! |
| 12:14.00 | nsadmin | anoob, do other kernels work? |
| 12:14.03 | ll1 | I need help with the Disk Utility (In System Tools in the Application menu). I need to leave a note for someone who is going to be doing a batch job on a number of computers. Each machine has a new hard drive that needs to be formated. I simply need to know which button to press. There is two: [Format Drive (Erase or partition the drive)] and [Format Volume (Erase or format the volume)]. What is the diffs? The power is out, so i cannot test this. |
| 12:14.10 | anoob | yes nsadmin |
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| 12:14.26 | rook2pawn | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ says its obsolete documentation. Where si the link to the real documentation? |
| 12:14.50 | nsadmin | so you tried this 3.2 and it doesn't seem to be working... my question to you, anoob, is why bother? |
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| 12:16.26 | raviks | \dpkg |
| 12:16.32 | nsadmin | rook2pawn, documentation on what specifically? |
| 12:16.40 | raviks | dpkg, hi |
| 12:16.41 | dpkg | hello, raviks |
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| 12:17.27 | rook2pawn | every chapter claims it is no longer current documentation |
| 12:17.31 | anoob | actually this doesn't fix my problem nsadmin |
| 12:17.37 | anoob | but thank you anyway nsadmin |
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| 12:18.57 | nsadmin | ok, so that's a contradiction. you just got through saying other kernels work, and now you turn around and say it's not solving your problem? ok, so maybe you haven't said what your problem is |
| 12:19.22 | nsadmin | rook2pawn, what's your overall goal? |
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| 12:20.59 | nsadmin | rook2pawn, take one single chapter you're interested in, what is the title of that chapter? |
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| 12:23.16 | rook2pawn | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-dpkg.html |
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| 12:23.35 | nsadmin | is that a chapter on dpkg? |
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| 12:23.51 | rook2pawn | yeah |
| 12:24.31 | nsadmin | 14.2 seems pretty general and also pretty valid |
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| 12:25.49 | nsadmin | I didn't read in detail, but 14.3.1 looks good |
| 12:26.19 | jomofcw | Using debian squeeze where can I find the default PHP error log please ? |
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| 12:27.10 | nsadmin | depends on in which context you're using php in |
| 12:27.36 | darkknightcz | hi, how to get different lines from a file compared to another file? (for example there are 3 lines in one - apache, nginx, lighthttpd and in second there are lines apache, lighthttpd,iis, how to achieve output like nginx,iis, or only iis) ? |
| 12:28.17 | nsadmin | rook2pawn, I don't like dselect much... aside from which, aptitude also provides a curses-based user interface and it works well |
| 12:28.36 | nsadmin | so in my opinion 14.4 is good :P |
| 12:29.06 | fir31ight | darkknightcz: your looking for differences? |
| 12:29.18 | jomofcw | nsadmin hm... the default one :x ? |
| 12:29.42 | darkknightcz | fir31ight: yes, exact opposite of grep -f one.txt two.txt >match.txt |
| 12:30.11 | themill | darkknightcz: comm (after using sort) |
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| 12:31.20 | nsadmin | 14.6 lacks a lot of detail (and maybe that section doesn't belong there except for the fact it would offer you additional choices for how and where to get additional software) |
| 12:31.25 | darkknightcz | themill: so comm -3 one.txt two.txt |
| 12:31.54 | fir31ight | darkknightcz: IDK what he's ^^ talking about but just use diff command |
| 12:32.01 | nsadmin | and 14.7 isn't complete, it's like a TODO |
| 12:32.53 | nsadmin | there are lots of places that can show you how to compile your own stuff, but truthfully I don't know whether you have interest in that |
| 12:33.03 | babilen | rook2pawn: What kind of documentation are you after? I can recommend http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ along with the debian reference. |
| 12:33.39 | themill | darkknightcz: perhaps -- depends on exactly what you want and whether you want it machine readable or not. If you don't want it machine readable, then diff might be fine for you. |
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| 12:34.20 | darkknightcz | themill: comm works fine, thanks |
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| 12:36.04 | ll1 | what is the difference between "Format Drive" and "Format Volume" in Disk Utility? |
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| 12:37.18 | scorpion-new | thanks all for your help |
| 12:37.29 | nsadmin | ll1, is there a man page for Disk Utility? |
| 12:38.38 | nsadmin | rook2pawn, in general it would have been nice for the person who decided this tutorial was obsolete to suggest more modern material |
| 12:38.48 | scorpion-new | a question regarding netstat , when i connect to the DB server on 3306 port if netstat shows established it means host is connected to some database or it means only 3306 port is allowing connections ? |
| 12:39.22 | krisfremen | scorpion-new: means there's an ongoing connection |
| 12:39.48 | scorpion-new | krisfremen: so that means it has been connected/communicating to some DB server . . |
| 12:40.14 | scorpion-new | and is connected to some DB on db server is that right krisfremen |
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| 12:41.18 | krisfremen | well, it is connected, whether data is flowing, we don't know |
| 12:42.05 | scorpion-new | krisfremen: but it is connected and application is authenticated from the DB or only port is some connection is successfully connected |
| 12:42.11 | nsadmin | scorpion-new, established is probably a connection which is currently open and active (whether it's a database, mail server, ftp, ssh, or something else is not relevent) |
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| 12:42.51 | nsadmin | if it says Listen, that means something is listening for new connections |
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| 12:43.39 | nsadmin | besides established and listen, there is also a handful of other states which are detailed in man netstat |
| 12:44.15 | jomofcw | I've got two php.ini, one in apache, and the other in php directory... which one is the right one :/ ? |
| 12:44.45 | nsadmin | are you using php from the command line? or from a web server? |
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| 12:45.22 | jomofcw | nsadmin from web server |
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| 12:45.57 | nsadmin | ok, so that's the context you're using php with... perhaps php logs to apache error logs |
| 12:46.23 | jomofcw | nsadmin OK, but nothing in it :/ Probably my PHP ini as something wrong |
| 12:46.44 | jomofcw | So nsadmin according to this context thing, the right php.ini should be the one in apache directory ? |
| 12:47.06 | nsadmin | someone else was asking about php and logging the other day... later, he had success, but never said how |
| 12:47.34 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 12:48.20 | nsadmin | the thing you would need to understand about me, is that yes, I do web programming, but no, I do not use apache or php or mysql |
| 12:48.35 | Rapid2214 | jomofcw, apache will read its php.ini out of /etc/php5/apache2/ |
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| 12:54.27 | nsadmin | Rapid2214, where does it log to? |
| 12:54.39 | nsadmin | that was his orig question |
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| 12:57.52 | rook2pawn | after apt-get upgrade my startx results in a black screen .. where can i read the error logs for startx? |
| 12:58.19 | Rapid2214 | nsadmin, /var/log/apache2/error.log by default, you can turn on error_reporting in the .php file itself |
| 12:58.51 | nsadmin | which you would have to do? |
| 12:59.28 | nsadmin | in order to get that script to log errors? |
| 12:59.31 | Rapid2214 | Depends on the php.ini - error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set('display_errors', '1'); |
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| 13:01.27 | nsadmin | rook2pawn, look in your home dir for X* |
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| 13:10.44 | swi | Hello. Where i can ask some question abotu cman on debina ? |
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| 13:12.09 | dawud | jar jar? |
| 13:12.13 | innociv | I commented out everything in /etc/cron.d/php5 but it's still constantly running that stupid crap that's using up all my CPU |
| 13:13.04 | ll1 | (12:37:54 PM) nsadmin: ll1, is there a man page for Disk Utility? |
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| 13:13.07 | ll1 | no man page |
| 13:13.26 | streuner | swi, what is "cman"? |
| 13:13.41 | ll1 | nsadmin, all i can find is this http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/ |
| 13:13.43 | dawud | streuner: the cluster manager from redhat |
| 13:14.06 | ll1 | nsadmin it might also be known as palimpsest... |
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| 13:14.37 | dawud | swi: you're better off using pacemaker / corosync these days |
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| 13:16.05 | dawud | swi: clusterlabs.org has quite useful info to get you started |
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| 13:18.21 | swi | dawud: thanks for link. Is pacemaker compatible with drbd/gfs2 ? |
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| 13:32.09 | _znull | hello, anyone can help me fix this problems and upgrade to 6.x? from 5.x http://pastebin.com/wa2x7iVb thank you. |
| 13:33.36 | dvs | !tell _znull about lenny sources.list |
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| 13:34.17 | babilen | _znull: Please make sure that you follow the release notes this time. |
| 13:34.21 | babilen | !tell _znull -about release notes |
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| 13:34.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell _znull -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 13:36.20 | indigo | does anyone have experience with nfs root xen guests on squeeze? is a custom kernel build still required? |
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| 13:37.18 | _znull | dvs : thanks, |
| 13:37.30 | dvs | np |
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| 13:38.29 | _znull | babilen : thanks I got only one problem.. if I upgrade to the new kernel i'm sure is not going to boot because ( i'm running some old 2.6.18-5-686 kernel which only with this one works..i've tried other but it didn't worked) |
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| 13:39.57 | Sgt_Lemming | is "modules" in /etc the equivalent of rc.modules? |
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| 13:40.21 | babilen | _znull: Well. You *have* to upgrade the kernel as this required by the udev version in squeeze. Why can't you use a 2.6.26 kernel (that is currently in lenny) -- Do you have other outdated packages on your lenny system? Please note that upgrading lenny to the latest version is one of the first steps in the upgrade process. |
| 13:40.27 | Sgt_Lemming | trying to load the mptctl module at boot so I don't get a bajillion messages about the raid controller status being unreadable |
| 13:40.38 | _znull | babilen : http://pastebin.com/a0UuDpen |
| 13:40.47 | babilen | Sgt_Lemming: rc.modules? Which distribution are *you* referring to? |
| 13:40.56 | babilen | !tell _znull -about pastebin.com |
| 13:41.06 | Sgt_Lemming | just following a guide I found on line |
| 13:41.24 | _znull | babilen : Product Name: PowerEdge 2950 not sure but it does not boot from other kernels.. and I don't have KVM to see what's wrong. |
| 13:41.36 | Sgt_Lemming | basically need the module mptctl to load at boot time babilen |
| 13:42.01 | _znull | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/162177/ |
| 13:42.11 | babilen | _znull: You shouldn't have squeeze in there (yet) as you haven't upgraded lenny to the latest version. Please take it from the beginning and *follow the release notes* -- You need a newer version of the debian-archive-keyring. |
| 13:43.24 | babilen | Sgt_Lemming: Modules listed in /etc/modules will be loaded at boot time. Please note that additional steps are needed if you need them in the initramfs -- It also sounds as if that guide/tutorial was written for a different distribution than Debian and that its instructions might not be applicable. |
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| 13:43.36 | Sgt_Lemming | yeah |
| 13:43.45 | Sgt_Lemming | every other step than that worked though |
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| 13:46.33 | Sgt_Lemming | sweet, it works now |
| 13:47.03 | babilen | Sgt_Lemming: Wonderful -- Have fun! |
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| 13:47.12 | Sgt_Lemming | can see the disks on the raid controller and no mail message going "ZOMG THE RAID CONTROLLER WON'T TALK TO ME" :-P |
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| 13:47.29 | swi | hm. why does removing of cman lead to removing of gfs2_tools ? |
| 13:48.09 | Sgt_Lemming | babilen, this is quite a nice little IBM 1ru server, 326m. Dual opteron 280 dual cores, 16GB ram, 2 x 143gb 15k rpm drives :-D |
| 13:48.13 | indigo | swi: perhaps gfs2_tools is a dependency of cman |
| 13:48.32 | swi | or on some libs |
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| 13:50.30 | swi | sooo strange |
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| 13:55.09 | dwon|work | Packaging question: Does anybody know of an example of a source package that stores the upstream tarballs in a subdirectory, which is extracted by the build scripts, rather than by dpkg-source ? |
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| 13:55.59 | abrotman | doesn't sound like much of a Debian package .. |
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| 13:57.17 | abrotman | dwon|work: why have it be a .deb at all? |
| 13:57.20 | joltman | i'm having an issue with debian squeeze x64, cacti 0.8.8 and apache2. The issue is that when i surf to http://IP/cacti, i get broken images/links. all links are not including /cacti/ Instead an example link is http://IP/graphs_new.php |
| 13:57.51 | abrotman | joltman: look in the apache config for cacti .. there'sprobably an alias |
| 13:58.02 | joltman | i have the cacti package installed directly into /var/www/cacti |
| 13:58.03 | dwon|work | abrotman: I'm talking about the *source* package. The binary packages would have the files as normal. I know I've seen this a bunch of times, but I don't remember which packages are put together like this. |
| 13:58.08 | joltman | abrotman: I'll take a look |
| 13:58.09 | joltman | thanks! |
| 13:58.25 | _znull | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/162181/ anything wrong on line 35-37? |
| 13:58.57 | abrotman | dwon|work: the kernel source packages have a tgz in them .. not sure if that's what you mean |
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| 13:59.50 | mrhanky | grinsekatze :< |
| 13:59.54 | dwon|work | abrotman: No, those are binary .debs that happen to contain source code. I'm talking about packages that have tarballs inside their .orig.tar.gz files |
| 13:59.57 | babilen | _znull: You might need to install firmware for your NIC |
| 13:59.58 | Sgt_Lemming | on a related note, anyone got 2 2GB DDR400 ECC registered sticks they want to donate to a good cause? |
| 14:00.03 | babilen | !tell _znull -about bnx2 |
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| 14:00.30 | abrotman | dwon|work: you are looking for tarballs in your taballs? |
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| 14:00.39 | dwon|work | abrotman: yes. |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | dwon|work: what about something like the old pine packages? or djbdns ? |
| 14:01.23 | abrotman | things that aren't meant to be altered before distribution ? |
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| 14:02.31 | indigo | !tell indigo -about pastebin.com |
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| 14:03.01 | babilen | !tell indigo -about selftell |
| 14:03.05 | abrotman | !tell indigo about selfti |
| 14:03.29 | indigo | yeah yeah |
| 14:03.36 | indigo | i tried, but i didn't know who was the bot! |
| 14:03.41 | babilen | I am! |
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| 14:04.20 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:04.33 | dwon|work | abrotman: No. These were straightforward .deb packages. I think it was common before dpkg-source got multi-upstream-tarball support |
| 14:05.35 | babilen | dwon|work: I would recommend to ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) -- I think that I've seen something like that before, but can't recall where. |
| 14:05.39 | abrotman | dwon|work: try #debian-mentors on on ODFTC |
| 14:05.41 | abrotman | OFTC |
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| 14:06.10 | dwon|work | babilen, abrotman: Will do. Thanks |
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| 14:07.13 | abrotman | dwon|work: if that fails .. email the list |
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| 14:12.21 | dalkor | can anyone recommend an ftp server? |
| 14:12.49 | Eninem | proftpd |
| 14:13.02 | ansgar | No ftp server *scnr* |
| 14:13.07 | babilen | !tell dalkor -about ftp must die |
| 14:13.28 | Eninem | !tell dalkor about shit n crap |
| 14:13.29 | dalkor | haha |
| 14:13.53 | dwon|work | abrotman, babilen: I got the answer I needed from #debian-mentors: libcatalyst-modules-perl and bash. Thanks for the finger-point! |
| 14:14.38 | joltman | abrotman: I looked at my /etc/apache2/conf.d/cacti.conf, and this is in it: http://pastie.org/private/zwmkjmgbpabljylmur93da |
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| 14:14.44 | joltman | what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:14.45 | babilen | dwon|work: I've seen it -- ansgar++ :) -- (and it was bash I was thinking about) |
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| 14:16.19 | bradland | is initramfs-tools unique to 64-bit installations of debian? |
| 14:16.26 | zekefast | Hi, everybody. I'm trying to build vim from http://hg.debian.org/hg/pkg-vim/vim , but it's fail patching files. Is it me or it's errors in repo? Could someone help me with this? I'm building with dpkg-buildpackage -i -I as described on http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Building_Vim . Here is my log: http://pastebin.com/R5328M8r |
| 14:16.30 | bradland | or rather, is it required for 64-bit installations? |
| 14:17.02 | babilen | bradland: It is optional (hence not required) |
| 14:18.06 | bradland | babilen: thanks, i started from netinst and built this system up only with the packages i wanted. i'm not sure at which point it got installed, but `aptitude why initramfs-tools` says linux-image-2.6-amd64 relies on it. |
| 14:18.33 | babilen | zekefast: Why are you building vim yourself? Could you paste a transcript of your build attempt in English (*all steps*) to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:18.40 | babilen | !tell zekefast -about localised errors |
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| 14:22.26 | zekefast | babilen, I wanna 7.3, but attempt to install it from sid requires me to upgrade too many packages in my system. So I decide to compile it by myself and build package for it. Sure, I'll try to post errors in English. Let me a minute. |
| 14:22.37 | babilen | ,checkbackport vim |
| 14:22.41 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 14:22.44 | indigo | anyone have some idea how to make an idempotent mkfs operation? Either a way to tell mkfs to not make a filesystem if it exists, or a reliable way to test for the existence of a fs in a script... |
| 14:22.46 | babilen | !tell zekefast -about ssb |
| 14:23.11 | indigo | ultimately i'm trying to automate the provisioning of NFS exports with puppet |
| 14:23.21 | babilen | zekefast: You can just backport it from sid -- There is no need to do that from the repository though as you can just follow the steps in the "ssb" factoid. |
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| 14:27.03 | zekefast | babilen, Thanks will try your suggestions! |
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| 14:27.58 | saeron | hi anyone can tell me a pkg whit gui for change proxy?? |
| 14:28.58 | saeron | o come on |
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| 14:30.02 | nkuttler | change proxy? |
| 14:30.14 | zekefast | babilen, English errors: http://pastebin.com/m582aV06 |
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| 14:33.01 | zekefast | babilen, trying to build from deb-src ... thanks for this idea! Let you know if when have some results |
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| 14:38.07 | babilen | zekefast: Great! Good luck with that. It should, in my opinion, be easier than building from the checkout. I'll investigate the latter approach if needed. |
| 14:38.24 | youlysses | I want to start guake at startup... best way oy doing this would be? |
| 14:38.43 | dmanirc | hi all - anyone have an issue with rsyslogd taking a long time to startup ? it can be up to 10 secs+ |
| 14:38.51 | babilen | youlysses: Does it come with an init script? |
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| 14:39.26 | youlysses | I'm not sure... (still a noob) Where would I find it? |
| 14:39.44 | babilen | youlysses: Ah -- It looks as if guake is not a daemon or system service, but rather a user-level tool. Which desktop environment or window manager are you using? |
| 14:40.11 | youlysses | GNOME3 on Testing. |
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| 14:41.04 | babilen | youlysses: Ok, please note that #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is our channel for wheezy/sid support. |
| 14:41.58 | youlysses | Cool, thanks! I heard most of debian's channels are on oftc, is this true? |
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| 14:42.44 | babilen | youlysses: Given that irc.oftc.net is Debian's official network: Yes it is true (irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net) -- #debian is larger here on freenode though. |
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| 14:43.02 | jelly | larger != better tho |
| 14:43.17 | saeron | nkuttler, yes change proxy but i need a gui |
| 14:43.25 | babilen | jelly: Indeed |
| 14:44.36 | babilen | youlysses: All that being said: AFAIK there are two approaches to adding applications to autostart given that gnome-control-center does not provide that functionality anymore. 1. Run "gnome-session-properties" and add it there 2. Add a suitable .desktop file to ~/.config/autostart/ |
| 14:44.40 | dvs | drives by jelly with his HUMMER |
| 14:44.43 | Agiofws | hey ... |
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| 14:44.59 | Agiofws | does anyone know of a solid way to delete a fb account ? |
| 14:45.14 | youlysses | Oh wow I didn't know that! Like it's what Gnome is to irc.gimp.net |
| 14:45.25 | youlysses | Agiofws ... you cant |
| 14:46.09 | babilen | !tell youlysses -about oftc move |
| 14:46.12 | youlysses | If you close it, after awhile you cant acess it anymore ... but they still hold on to your info. :-( |
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| 14:46.44 | Agiofws | youknowh1, can people still your posts even though you have deleted your account ? |
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| 14:49.14 | jelly | Agiofws: how is that remotely a Debian question? |
| 14:49.22 | youlysses | Thanks, babilen! |
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| 14:49.36 | babilen | youlysses: Did that do the trick? |
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| 14:50.30 | Agiofws | jelly, its an off topic question i', just asking for some advice |
| 14:50.42 | youlysses | Yeppers! There was actually already an entry in gnome-session-properties, it just wasn't selected. |
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| 14:51.45 | youlysses | Agiofws, it's fine to ask here, it'd just probally be better to ask in gnu or #fsf :-P |
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| 15:01.30 | youlysses | Well peace, im going to oftc. o/ |
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| 15:10.45 | zekefast | babilen, Anyway got error, even when building from deb-src http://pastebin.com/nQb9fwdY . Some more details: http://pastebin.com/9TuXFsDY |
| 15:11.47 | _znull | !tell znull non-free sources |
| 15:12.11 | _znull | babilen tell me about non-free sources please:) |
| 15:12.34 | babilen | _znull: Are you sure that you installed the build-dependencies? |
| 15:12.57 | babilen | _znull: "/msg dpkg non-free sources" |
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| 15:14.51 | _znull | babilen : not sure i did what you told me (bring up-to-date lenny) and changed source.list and did apt-get update && and upgrade |
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| 15:16.32 | babilen | _znull: Did you upgrade your lenny kernel to 2.6.26? I just wanted to make sure that you upgrade your lenny system first. You need to remove squeeze from your sources.list for that and add lenny sources (that is now in the archive) -- Run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and make sure that *all* packages are upgraded to their latest version in lenny. |
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| 15:17.07 | _znull | babilen : i did.. but i wont reboot lol |
| 15:18.23 | babilen | _znull: Once you have done that you can proceed with the upgrade to squeeze -- Please read *at least* http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
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| 15:19.16 | babilen | _znull: What did you do exactly before you tried to reboot? Can I see your script(1) that you created as suggested in 4.4.1 of the release notes? (paste it to http://paste.debian.net please) |
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| 15:22.26 | _znull | babilen : changed to archive.debian lenny > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ( i forgot about dist-upgrade ) changed sources to squeeze && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:22.39 | _znull | thats all i did.. until mnow |
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| 15:26.03 | injureddeer | how can i download source of dm-crypt from debian? |
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| 15:28.50 | babilen | _znull: That is not the right time for a reboot -- You *have* to ugprade the kernel to .32 *and* udev to 164-3 before the reboot. |
| 15:29.35 | babilen | _znull: That is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev |
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| 15:33.57 | zekefast | babilen, Could you check my logs when you got time - http://pastebin.com/nQb9fwdY . Some more details: http://pastebin.com/9TuXFsDY Thanks! |
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| 15:35.07 | babilen | !tell zekefast -about pastebin.com |
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| 15:35.46 | babilen | zekefast: I already did and asked you if you are sure that you installed all build dependencies |
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| 15:39.04 | zekefast | yes, all deps is satisfied, aptitude build-dep vim hasn't installed any packages. So I assume all of them has been satisfied |
| 15:39.13 | zekefast | babilen, yes, all deps is satisfied, aptitude build-dep vim hasn't installed any packages. So I assume all of them has been satisfied |
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| 15:46.02 | indigo | does debootstrap not use /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 15:48.00 | babilen | zekefast: *sigh* -- Never tried to backport vim, but it is not necessarily the easiest of packages. |
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| 15:49.14 | zekefast | babilen, Ok. Thanks for the help! |
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| 15:49.42 | lay | can someone help me? |
| 15:49.58 | lay | i have unresponding server |
| 15:50.16 | lay | i followed the document to upgrade lenny -> squeeze |
| 15:50.40 | lay | i upgraded kernel, and rebooted and it's not responding even for ping, i think it's not booted at all. |
| 15:50.48 | lay | i think no on can help with this situation. |
| 15:50.57 | lay | my server is located in somewhere else. |
| 15:51.05 | lay | can i fix this remotely? |
| 15:51.17 | indigo | lay: sounds like no. |
| 15:51.22 | lay | yes. |
| 15:51.22 | lay | no. |
| 15:51.28 | lay | i hate debian!!!!!!! |
| 15:51.39 | dayhawk | Well, depends on whether or not there may be something blocking ping...i.e. a firewall |
| 15:51.54 | dayhawk | most likely though, I suspect that the machine isn't booting |
| 15:51.58 | lay | i even tried ping inside from the network. |
| 15:52.00 | lay | yes. |
| 15:52.14 | indigo | or maybe you are lucky and have an IP KVM or IPMI available. |
| 15:52.20 | lay | any guesses? why it's not booted? |
| 15:52.25 | dayhawk | yes, you can ping from your network, however if the firewall is on the server itself... |
| 15:52.32 | _znull | babilen : how can i prevent apt-get to install something, like exclude=package thats on centos/etc/yum.conf |
| 15:52.38 | babilen | lay: So you are at 4.4.5 in the release notes and just rebooted the server and it fails to come up? |
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| 15:52.50 | lay | 4.4.5? |
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| 15:52.59 | lay | i don't know what version was, |
| 15:53.02 | lay | it was lenny |
| 15:53.12 | babilen | _znull: Could you be more specific and provide relevant output/errors on http://paste.debian.net (I fail to see the relation to centos) |
| 15:53.19 | dayhawk | I would try connecting using some other protocals.. do you have any of the following installed.... http.. ftp... ssh... ? |
| 15:53.29 | lay | nothing is working |
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| 15:53.36 | babilen | lay: I am talking about http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev -- you mentioned that you followed "the document to upgrade lenny -> squeeze" |
| 15:53.37 | lay | ssh http ftp samba ofcourse i'm sure it's not booted at all. |
| 15:53.44 | lay | yes yes! |
| 15:53.45 | lay | yes! |
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| 15:53.55 | lay | i followed exactly |
| 15:53.58 | babilen | lay: Did you make sure that you installed firmware for your NIC if necessary? |
| 15:54.07 | _znull | babilen : few months/years i've recompiled php and installed via apt-get but i want apt-get to upgrade it. |
| 15:54.17 | lay | yea i noticed that there's some missing NICs |
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| 15:54.19 | dayhawk | if you have any of these other protocal/servers installed, you can attempt to connect to them. |
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| 15:54.23 | lay | so i installed linux-firmware |
| 15:54.37 | babilen | _znull: You mean you have manually backported packages? |
| 15:54.45 | _znull | babilen : yes |
| 15:54.52 | dayhawk | The problem with a hardware issue with the NIC is that if that is the issue, he won't be able to do anything quickly to figure it out |
| 15:55.01 | dayhawk | it will end up being someone dowing something there.... |
| 15:55.09 | lay | god.. |
| 15:55.10 | babilen | _znull: Ok -- I would recommend to just remove them for the upgrade and (re-)install the (newer) version after the upgrade. That is probably the easiest way. |
| 15:55.23 | babilen | lay: What is your NIC? |
| 15:55.24 | lay | i installed firmware... what's wrong.. :/ |
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| 15:55.45 | lay | it's old intel eternet device.. |
| 15:55.48 | babilen | lay: You probably need(ed) some non-free firmware for your NIC (that now fails to work as you did not install the correct firmware-package) |
| 15:55.55 | lay | yes it was |
| 15:56.08 | babilen | lay: Do you have access to a recovery console? Which NIC is used in your box? |
| 15:56.12 | Storfiskaren | lay: not some fsck-check going on? |
| 15:56.15 | lay | when i put the command # apt-get install linux-firmware it says it needs to be install linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 15:56.28 | lay | oh |
| 15:56.30 | lay | fsck-check! |
| 15:56.37 | lay | it might be running! |
| 15:56.39 | lay | omg god |
| 15:56.49 | lay | omg |
| 15:57.08 | indigo | 1) take breath 2) cross fingers 3) get coffee |
| 15:57.13 | Storfiskaren | lay: but that may be to hope for a miracle |
| 15:57.14 | lay | yes |
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| 15:57.29 | Storfiskaren | lay: else you need to go there to boot it up |
| 15:57.35 | lay | mother of nature plz my server will be up in an hour... |
| 15:57.38 | babilen | lay: Please relax and use the <enter> key less often. |
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| 15:57.50 | lay | sorry :D |
| 15:57.50 | Xanthine | hlay :) |
| 15:58.03 | lay | kuznetzvo |
| 15:58.04 | lay | :p |
| 15:58.08 | babilen | !comfort lay |
| 15:58.08 | dpkg | There, there, lay. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:58.26 | kuznetzvo | babilen! I Knew you would be here |
| 15:58.32 | kuznetzvo | my genius radar exploded |
| 15:58.35 | lay | omg dpkg if my server is alive i'll love you |
| 15:58.36 | babilen | lay: It would be more productive if you could concentrate and if you would answer my questions :) |
| 15:58.42 | babilen | lay: Yay! |
| 15:58.44 | indigo | kinky |
| 15:58.55 | kuznetzvo | quiets himself |
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| 15:59.09 | lay | but what if disk has some problem |
| 15:59.15 | lay | like.. bad sector.. or... something else.. |
| 15:59.28 | babilen | lay: Do you have access to a recovery console? |
| 15:59.33 | dayhawk | There are a lot of what ifs... especially if you are possibly waiting for fsck, it could take some time |
| 15:59.43 | dayhawk | The bigger thing is what is more likely |
| 15:59.47 | lay | no babilen |
| 16:00.05 | lay | but i wonder, how can i access recovery console remotely? |
| 16:00.24 | dayhawk | In this case, especially if you are running fsck... it could take some time.. |
| 16:00.31 | dayhawk | how large are your hdd |
| 16:00.36 | lay | 80GB |
| 16:00.40 | dayhawk | what interface |
| 16:00.43 | lay | IDE |
| 16:00.49 | dayhawk | parallel? |
| 16:00.52 | lay | but the old server doesn't support IDE fully. |
| 16:01.00 | lay | i think yea. |
| 16:01.16 | babilen | lay: Typically your hoster provides that |
| 16:01.34 | dayhawk | mmm.... that isn't too bad. If you are moving Pata100, I would image 15m only..... |
| 16:01.53 | babilen | lay: Didn't you just say that the server is alive? What do you mean by that? |
| 16:02.11 | lay | i didn't say that my server is alive currently. |
| 16:02.22 | lay | i just hoping that the server is checking the disk |
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| 16:02.58 | dayhawk | If your server is doing an fsck, and it found some corruption ... it could easily find its way through it, and come up in a bit..... |
| 16:03.01 | babilen | lay: Ok. Please tell me which the exact model and preferably PCI-ID of your NIC in the server. |
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| 16:03.06 | babilen | s/which// |
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| 16:03.40 | lay | can i use MAC-Address? |
| 16:04.36 | babilen | lay: No. I need that to be able to check if you need specific firmware for your hardware. If that firmware is missing the NIC might not work correctly (or not at all) |
| 16:04.43 | babilen | Note that not all NICs need firmware |
| 16:04.57 | lay | wow, it worked before. |
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| 16:05.03 | lay | before i upgrade the kernel. |
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| 16:05.39 | babilen | lay: It is a difference between lenny and squeeze in that non-free firmware has been stripped from the kernel in squeeze (which is mentioned in the release notes) |
| 16:05.53 | babilen | s/kernel/kernel sources/ |
| 16:05.54 | lay | oh no.. |
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| 16:06.34 | lay | it's old intel board... it's possible that they removed the firmware... |
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| 16:07.14 | babilen | So you need to install firmware-foo packages from non-free in order to get hold of that firmware. But this is all mere speculation if we don't know what hardware you have there. It might very well be that it is "just" performing a filesystem check or doing something else. Do you have the contact details of local staff at your hoster? Can you call their support? |
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| 16:07.45 | babilen | lay: Intel board as in: A motherboard produced by intel which most likely uses an Intel NIC? |
| 16:07.52 | lay | yes |
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| 16:08.01 | lay | it's Intel NIC. i just searched Mac-address |
| 16:08.16 | babilen | Good |
| 16:08.29 | lay | some board that doesn't support IDE fully, it maded for SCSI(old) |
| 16:08.40 | lay | it has only one IDE port for CDROM |
| 16:09.00 | lay | but scsi disks are like jet engine.. |
| 16:09.18 | lay | so i use IDE, hard drive is even older than the board.. |
| 16:09.29 | babilen | lay: I don't think that any intel NIC needs firmware (not entirely sure, but pretty sure) -- e100 e1000 and e1000e do not IIRC |
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| 16:09.43 | babilen | lay: Can you contact local staff? |
| 16:09.51 | lay | no |
| 16:09.54 | lay | it's 1am |
| 16:10.03 | lay | and no one can handle the server |
| 16:10.05 | lay | but me |
| 16:10.10 | kuznetzvo | they will if you pay |
| 16:10.39 | peterrooney | babilen: they sure do need non-free firmware |
| 16:10.45 | kuznetzvo | as a consultant, midnight calls and midnight trips to the airport are not uncommon |
| 16:10.52 | lay | i'm sure i installed non-free firmware. |
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| 16:11.57 | babilen | peterrooney: Right -- e100 that is. Are you aware of the particulars? |
| 16:12.44 | lay | it's over than 20mins |
| 16:12.49 | lay | i think it was false hope. |
| 16:12.50 | lay | :D |
| 16:13.11 | babilen | I only get d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin and d102e_ucode.bin (all in firmware-linux-nonfree) |
| 16:13.21 | babilen | lay: You installed linux-firmware-nonfree? |
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| 16:13.40 | lay | it's part of linux-firmware |
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| 16:13.45 | lay | what they said.. |
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| 16:14.23 | lay | apt-get said it needs to install linux-firmware-nonfree after i type # apt-get install linux-firmware |
| 16:15.27 | _znull | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/162213/ anything to worry? i think yeah |
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| 16:16.44 | babilen | _znull: That is not much of a problem. It essentially means that you have an old init script around ( /etc/init.d/firestarter ) that doesn't contain LSB headers. What does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/firestarter" give you? What about "aptitude search ~c" Please paste that to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:18.38 | _znull | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/162214/ |
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| 16:20.40 | babilen | _znull: Ok -- You have a number of packages that were removed but not purged. This means that their configuration files are still in place, but the packages have not been upgraded. |
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| 16:21.27 | babilen | _znull: This is problematic because firestarter still has a init script around that now prevents you from upgrading to dependency based boot. The solution is to purge all these previously removed packages by running "aptitude purge ~c" |
| 16:22.30 | lay | should i change some kernel options before reboot? |
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| 16:25.08 | orangey | hello all |
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| 16:25.17 | orangey | Is there a de facto winner for network monitoring? |
| 16:25.22 | orangey | I'm looking to implement something |
| 16:26.02 | babilen | _znull: After you purged those packages running "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc" should be all you need. |
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| 16:26.06 | _znull | babilen : i did but now my mysqld init script is missing |
| 16:26.29 | babilen | uh |
| 16:26.36 | babilen | ,versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 16:26.38 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.0 on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5 |
| 16:26.55 | babilen | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 16:26.57 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.61-2; wheezy: 5.1.61-2 |
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| 16:27.04 | babilen | You want 5.1 ^^^^ |
| 16:27.12 | Glidero | hi |
| 16:27.16 | _znull | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/162215/ what i got |
| 16:27.44 | Guest415 | Hi. What debian's ppa i should use in ubuntu 11.10? |
| 16:27.51 | _znull | babilen : i think mysql was removed weird. |
| 16:28.07 | lay | i think my server is dead. |
| 16:28.16 | lay | haha |
| 16:28.21 | babilen | _znull: What is this "apf" ? What is in /etc/init.d/apf ? What does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apf" give you? |
| 16:28.31 | _znull | apf some shitty bash-script firewall |
| 16:28.37 | babilen | _znull: yes, mysql-server-5.0 is *not* in squeeze (5.1 is) |
| 16:28.51 | babilen | ,file /etc/init.d/apf |
| 16:28.56 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 16:29.07 | _znull | http://paste.debian.net/162218/ |
| 16:29.08 | orangey | Any thoughts on opennms? |
| 16:29.13 | lay | why debian stable still use old packages? |
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| 16:29.16 | babilen | _znull: Installed from apf-firewall? |
| 16:29.21 | babilen | ,versions apf-firewall |
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| 16:29.23 | judd | Package: apf-firewall on i386 -- squeeze: 9.7+rev1-2; sid: 9.7+rev1-3; wheezy: 9.7+rev1-3 |
| 16:29.41 | patrik83 | Hi, I just want to ask whether anybody has got nfs4 secured by kerberos working on clients with mac osx lion ? Client is able to obtain TGT and is able to use kerberized ssh for example, but can not mount exported fs with error message saying permission denied and no logs on server side nor on client side or at least i could not find any. Thank you very much indeed for any advise, help .... |
| 16:29.50 | babilen | _znull: That package was/is not in lenny. How did you install apf? |
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| 16:30.10 | _znull | babilen: can you check the pastebin i don't have mysql is is pretty impoortant lol |
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| 16:30.18 | _znull | babilen: ./install by sources |
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| 16:30.43 | _znull | babilen : i can remove it. |
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| 16:30.57 | babilen | _znull: Ok -- You need to upgrade that init script. I guess that you can also just remove it and install the package in squeeze (apf-firewall) |
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| 16:31.36 | babilen | _znull: Please install the mysql-server metapackage. That will get you mysql-server-5.1 in squeeze |
| 16:31.50 | lay | is there any cheap kvm over ip device or.. something else? |
| 16:31.51 | _znull | babilen : it was removed.. trying to start mysql-server |
| 16:31.59 | lay | because i'm gonna install it tomorrow when i got there |
| 16:32.00 | _znull | babilen : same error |
| 16:32.04 | babilen | _znull: You might have to perform the upgrade from 5.0 to 5.1 -- I am not entirely sure what that entails though. |
| 16:33.01 | babilen | _znull: You remove apf (and there is *no* /etc/init.d/apf right now) and you still get the same error? Could you paste "ls -l /etc/init.d/apf ; dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:33.27 | _znull | babilen : looks like it works now dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc |
| 16:33.40 | _znull | info: Checking if it is safe to convert to dependency based boot. |
| 16:33.40 | _znull | info: Reordering boot system, log to /var/lib/insserv/run-20120405T1233.log |
| 16:33.40 | _znull | success: Enabled dependency based boot system. |
| 16:33.42 | _znull | sorry for paste |
| 16:33.46 | _znull | they are only 3lines. |
| 16:34.25 | _znull | mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist |
| 16:34.26 | _znull | 120405 12:34:17 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
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| 16:35.20 | _znull | well i can't run mysql_upgrade because mysql-server is death, hm |
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| 16:37.48 | _znull | it's on |
| 16:37.49 | _znull | great |
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| 16:39.40 | lay | will you use debian stable for your server again? |
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| 16:40.16 | lay | because i'm gonna reinstall the system tomorrow, i think ubuntu is better for newer packages. |
| 16:40.26 | dawud | lay: nonsense |
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| 16:40.36 | lay | ? |
| 16:40.43 | somiaj | lay: you must not know about backports and realize that in many cases only a few select new packages are all one requires |
| 16:40.56 | lay | i used backport |
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| 16:41.14 | lay | but i just don't understand why debian uses older package? newer onces are also stable too. |
| 16:41.16 | cj101 | hi, im running squeeze using gnome and i have compiz installed, when i try and add more desktops under the system settings i get the error "no suitable shortcut for desktop x found", does anyone know whats going on there? |
| 16:41.31 | lay | please understand that my knowledge is very short. |
| 16:42.14 | dawud | lay: debian policy is using the packages that existed when freezing a release, and adding security updates only afterwards |
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| 16:42.46 | zekefast | babilen, Hey! I did it! Everything was very easy. aptitude build-dep installed tcl-dev instead of tcl8.5-dev. As I understood that and installed tcl8.5-dev everything goes smoothly! |
| 16:43.02 | dawud | lay: what is that you need in a server that pushes you to use ubuntu instead? |
| 16:43.04 | somiaj | lay: do you think the packages in wheezy are new enough? |
| 16:43.05 | babilen | !congratulate zekefast |
| 16:43.06 | dpkg | Woohoo zekefast, you did it! |
| 16:43.11 | zekefast | babilen, One more time thanks for idea to build from deb-src! |
| 16:43.16 | somiaj | lay: (not that you should use wheezy, but think of testing as the starting point) |
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| 16:43.46 | dawud | lay: of course, one can always backport from wheezy at will |
| 16:43.49 | zekefast | Thanks, guys! You are cool! ;-) |
| 16:43.56 | babilen | lay: By the way: Debian's definition of stable has nothing to do with "unbroken" |
| 16:43.59 | somiaj | lay: so the packages in say wheezy are fairly new and mostly stable. Well what happens is 1) testing freezes (at this moment the packages will most likely be stuck at the version they were at the time of the freeze) |
| 16:44.01 | babilen | !tell lay -about stable |
| 16:44.10 | babilen | lay: It essentially means "not changing" |
| 16:44.37 | lay | :o |
| 16:45.08 | somiaj | lay: but once the freeze happens it can take up to a year of quality testing to ensure all the packages are stable, installable and work together, after about 6months to a year of this, the system is stabalized and made really solid, but now you have a frozen system so from there on out wheezy's packages will be stuck at the version during the freeze and only bug/security changes are made |
| 16:45.18 | indigo | hmm....does the kernel source in linux-source packages have the xen patches in it used to build the xen kernels? |
| 16:45.32 | _znull | babilen : thanks for your help i'm out of battery and need to run, talk to you soon |
| 16:45.35 | somiaj | lay: there are a lot of reasons why sticking with a solid frozen system with lots of quality control and testing is preferable over say upgrading every 6 months. |
| 16:45.42 | indigo | and if so, how do i use the configuration used for the xen kernel as a starting point for a custom config? |
| 16:45.47 | babilen | _znull: Splendid -- MySQL has been sorted out? |
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| 16:45.59 | somiaj | indigo: goto packages.debian.org for a xen kernel image, it should tell you the name of the source package that creates them. |
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| 16:46.36 | lay | so, for server, debian is better than ubuntu? |
| 16:46.51 | lay | sorry for my english, i need more time to understand what you're syaing |
| 16:47.02 | indigo | lay: probably everyone in this channel thinks so |
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| 16:47.23 | lay | ubuntu doesn't test packages? |
| 16:47.27 | foxtrot9 | lay, its not about if its better, its a matter of preference |
| 16:47.28 | patrik83 | Hi, I just want to ask whether anybody has got nfs4 secured by kerberos working on clients with mac osx lion ? Client is able to obtain TGT and is able to use kerberized ssh for example, but can not mount exported fs with error message saying permission denied and no logs on server side nor on client side or at least i could not find any. Thank you very much indeed for any advise, help .... |
| 16:47.29 | somiaj | lay: depends on what you want, but I trust a frozen system that has a far longer time of bug/security fixes than one that works in 'many' cases that doesn't undergo the same length of testing |
| 16:48.04 | patrik83 | Actually I have found something. If I run the following on mac client : mount -t nfs -o vers=4,sec=krb5i server.example:/ /Users/user/storage then it shows the following error in system log: mount_nfs: can't mount / from server.example onto /Users/user/storage: Permission denied. Well, I am not trying to mount the root of server filesystem and I can verify it by using exportfs , so I dont get it. |
| 16:48.12 | lay | ahh. okay.. |
| 16:48.13 | somiaj | lay: ubuntu tests packages and has it's own quality control, the upgrades just mean things are chaning far more often, and there is less time for the testing (forcing a relese out every 6 months instead of when it is ready and free of all grave bugs) |
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| 16:50.44 | somiaj | lay: it also may be on your design too, many things don't need the newest features, and having a solid stable system that is supported for 2-3 years so you only have to worry about upgrades every 2-3 years saves on a lot of man power of upgrading your servers every 6 months (this is partly why ubuntu also has a ltr in which will suffer from the same 'outdated package' syndrom). After wheezy is released I think debian will be working on a rol |
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| 16:53.36 | lay | hrmm.. |
| 16:53.42 | lay | thanks for the information somiaj |
| 16:55.04 | somiaj | lay: I personaly am a desktop user and run sid (unstable) myself, but I enjoy the fun of fixing my broken computer ever few weeks due to bugs. (: |
| 16:55.59 | lay | you're amazing.. |
| 16:56.13 | lay | kvm over ip devices are tooo expensive.. |
| 16:56.57 | Woet | we have a kvm on all servers |
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| 16:57.09 | lay | please recommend something.. |
| 16:57.13 | lay | i'm a poor korean.. |
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| 16:58.07 | Woet | take a supermicro motherboard with embedded kvm |
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| 17:01.04 | mtallr | Might someone dedicate some time to troubleshooting my problems having functioning NVIDIA drivers on stable? I've attempted both the proprietary and the Debian method, to no avail. |
| 17:01.07 | mtallr | Once X starts, I'm left with a black screen and my keyboard isn't responsive. |
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| 17:01.49 | somiaj | mtallr: what is your nvidia gpu? |
| 17:01.56 | mtallr | GeForce 7600GT |
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| 17:02.19 | somiaj | mtallr: please use the 'debian method' and install the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms packages |
| 17:02.37 | mtallr | I shall attempt that once more. |
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| 17:03.39 | somiaj | mtallr: you will need linux-headers-`uname -r` nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms (those packages) |
| 17:03.40 | mtallr | somiaj: Ah. It hadn't even occurred to me to install the dkms package. |
| 17:03.51 | somiaj | you will also have to modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 17:04.16 | mtallr | Do you advise against nvidia-xconfig? |
| 17:04.26 | somiaj | yes |
| 17:04.35 | somiaj | you only need 3-4 lines in your xorg.conf on most systems these days |
| 17:04.42 | TheWarden | I have Debian 6.0.4 Squeeze and I noticed when I installed the git-core package that in title it says "obsolete". So should I not be install Git using a package then? |
| 17:04.59 | somiaj | !tell mtallr -about nvidia dkms |
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| 17:05.15 | somiaj | TheWarden: double check the info about the package |
| 17:05.31 | somiaj | TheWarden: apt-cache show git-core (read what it says) |
| 17:05.43 | somiaj | think it will say about how it is a transidtional package that has been renamed |
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| 17:08.58 | TheWarden | somiaj: ohhh okay, your right. It is a dummy package and is obsolete and has been renamed as "git" and can be safely removed. so I'll remove it. Thanks. |
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| 17:13.08 | lay | do i need some IPMI card? |
| 17:13.15 | lay | or KVM over ip.. |
| 17:13.23 | indigo | either could work |
| 17:13.25 | lay | i can't find any products hrm |
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| 17:14.22 | raptor67782 | hello |
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| 17:14.44 | raptor67782 | how to use sox to play a wav/mp3 to another alsa hw , in particularly hw:1,0 ? |
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| 17:16.16 | indigo | raptor67782: the man page for "play" suggests playing with the AUDIODRIVER and AUDIODEV environment variables. |
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| 17:17.30 | raptor67782 | indigo: I did read it 10x times, but nothing worked |
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| 17:18.45 | indigo | raptor67782: maybe you aren't doing the right thing, then. |
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| 17:20.02 | dbristow | Is there a website somewhere that talks about release dates, for example when squeeze 6.0.5 is due? |
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| 17:21.30 | mtallr | somiaj: Whenever I attempt anything apt-related, the following series of errors are reported: http://pastebin.com/sm3DWqT2 |
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| 17:21.52 | mtallr | What do you suggest? |
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| 17:23.32 | thewanderer1 | is it possible to get a new version of a GTK program, etherape, without actually pulling in the whole GNOME3 crap? |
| 17:24.53 | raptor67782 | indigo: indeed, maybe |
| 17:25.00 | raptor67782 | maybe sbdy knows |
| 17:25.20 | somiaj | thewanderer1: what version of debian? |
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| 17:25.41 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: am on stable, want etherape from wheezy |
| 17:26.06 | thewanderer1 | also, I'm trying my luck with debtree to visualize dependencies, but I don't know how to specify a release name like I do in apt-get with -t wheezy |
| 17:26.09 | somiaj | dbristow: since there are not release dates hardcoded no. 6.0.5 will happen when it happens, though you can look at security and squeeze-updates (or proposed-updates) to see what is planed to be in the next point release |
| 17:26.14 | indigo | raptor67782: maybe. but you'd probably have better luck if you describe what you did, and what you expected, and what actually happened. |
| 17:26.26 | somiaj | thewanderer1: that may take some work, as you will have to backport gtk3 (you don't have to backport all of gnome, just the widget set for gtk3) |
| 17:26.38 | dbristow | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 17:26.48 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: any idea how to see the dep tree from wheezy? |
| 17:27.01 | somiaj | thewanderer1: you DO NOT want to install wheezy packages, you want to do backports |
| 17:27.12 | somiaj | ,check-backport etherape |
| 17:27.13 | judd | Backporting package etherape in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 17:27.28 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: uh, I don't think all build-deps are there |
| 17:27.40 | somiaj | thewanderer1: seems all the dependences are made and you may not gtk3 afterall -- /msg judd check-backport packagename |
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| 17:27.47 | somiaj | thewanderer1: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 17:27.57 | thewanderer1 | it's asking me for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 and it's not in squeeze |
| 17:28.00 | somiaj | thewanderer1: you can use packages.debian.org to see depends and the likes of wheezy packages |
| 17:28.09 | dv310p3r | can i upgrade the kernel in debian 6 to the new 3.2? |
| 17:28.14 | somiaj | ,versions libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 |
| 17:28.15 | judd | Package: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.24.1-1; sid: 2.26.0-2 |
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| 17:28.32 | thewanderer1 | this thing seems to be the main culprit, but I can't be sure... |
| 17:28.33 | somiaj | !tell dv310p3r about squeeze-backports |
| 17:28.47 | somiaj | ,check-backport libdgk-pixbuf2.0-0 |
| 17:28.48 | judd | No package named 'libdgk-pixbuf2.0-0' was found in sid/i386. |
| 17:28.56 | somiaj | ,check-backport libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 |
| 17:29.00 | judd | Backporting package libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.93), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.31.0), gobject-introspection (>= 0.9.12-4~), libgirepository1.0-dev (>= 0.9.3), gir1.2-glib-2.0. |
| 17:29.22 | somiaj | thewanderer1: it could be libgdk-pixbuf isn't a buid-dep but a run-dep, in that case backport it, and it looks like you have a lot of build-depbs to satisify |
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| 17:30.28 | somiaj | dv310p3r: you can get a 3.2 kernel from backports, just follow that factoid I sent you |
| 17:30.38 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: exactly... what I can't understand is that they would switch from GTK2 to GTK3 between minor versions |
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| 17:30.56 | somiaj | thewanderer1: you may have to ask upstream about that. |
| 17:31.25 | somiaj | but I still didn't see anything that screamed need gtk3, but I don't know the package you are trying to backport either |
| 17:31.59 | thewanderer1 | I can't seem to track down the gtk3 need either, but "debtree" is refusing to show me wheezy deps instead of squeeze |
| 17:33.09 | dv310p3r | somiaj, i started looking into it. Thanks. |
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| 17:33.46 | somiaj | dv310p3r: basic idea, add a squeze backport source, apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-3.2-<ver> -- where <ver> is the actual arch/kernel you want |
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| 17:34.01 | thewanderer1 | it seems that every single program from wheezy needs GTK3 now, somehow |
| 17:34.23 | somiaj | thewanderer1: well gtk3 replaced gtk2, so they are all built against gtk3 |
| 17:34.37 | thewanderer1 | oh... but it has API compatibility? |
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| 17:34.42 | somiaj | guess it is seeming that this isn't like a gtk1 -> gtk2 change where you had a whole new libary setup |
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| 17:34.45 | thewanderer1 | perhaps I should try and build against GTK2 |
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| 17:35.05 | thewanderer1 | just remove some useless dependencies and compile... |
| 17:35.23 | mtallr | somiaj: Even using the method you suggested, I experience the same problem upon specifying 'nvidia' in xorg.conf. |
| 17:35.50 | somiaj | mtallr: put a copy of your xorg.conf file, and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file somewhere -- the errors are usually prittend in the log file |
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| 17:36.08 | MarKsaitis | so can somebody help me? Or nobody knows a solution? I have vnc4server (tried tightvncserver too) installed, using hidden virtual desktops (the default). When I click logoff in my session, IT DOESNT DO A DAMN THING, DOESNT LOGOFF! FTW? Ubuntu 11.04 LXDE!!! |
| 17:36.27 | babilen | MarKsaitis: You want #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
| 17:37.06 | babilen | MarKsaitis: And I see that you already asked in there. Please do not cross-post and in particular note that we support only Debian in here. |
| 17:37.12 | jelly-home | or ##linux which he already multiposted to |
| 17:37.27 | babilen | right |
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| 17:37.57 | somiaj | you need paitence when asking questions on irc, peopl do not stare at the chan waiting for questions, they mearly glance at it from time to time as they do their own work. |
| 17:38.20 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: ^^ (: |
| 17:38.25 | MarKsaitis | =) |
| 17:38.42 | raptor67782 | simply not working . try that : play -t alsa hw:1 "http://14.media.v4.skyrock.net/music/140/7c8/1407c842096aae50e0119e75a093c16a.mp3" |
| 17:39.36 | raptor67782 | and with mpg321 can you play it onto hw:1,0 ? |
| 17:40.41 | indigo | raptor67782: are you sure that's a valid way of specifying options? My play(1) says -t specifies the input file type. |
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| 17:41.18 | LittleFoot | hi |
| 17:41.53 | LittleFoot | hi how can i download debian installer so it doesnt ask me to get files from the net |
| 17:41.56 | raptor67782 | indigo: I am sure, indeed, I read a lot a lot |
| 17:42.13 | raptor67782 | aplay works onto my hw:1 fairly well, mplayer too |
| 17:42.19 | raptor67782 | but not sox and mpg321 |
| 17:42.45 | LittleFoot | because when i dowloaded CD1 and didnt download from the net my debian was missing a bunch of administrative menus |
| 17:43.00 | raptor67782 | the man page of play (sox) needs some update, and I guess that "play" cannot make it |
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| 17:45.42 | babilen | LittleFoot: You want DVD1 or BD1 (and probably the rest of the set) if you never want to download anything. (And *please* keep it civil in here) |
| 17:46.57 | LittleFoot | babilen: linux mint is only 800mb and it has all the menus |
| 17:47.00 | LittleFoot | and everything i need |
| 17:47.19 | babilen | LittleFoot: There is no way to burn 800Mb on a single CD |
| 17:47.38 | babilen | LittleFoot: And you are free to use mint if you prefer that. |
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| 17:49.14 | raptor67782 | thus : play -t alsa hw:1 "http://14.media.v4.skyrock.net/music/140/7c8/1407c842096aae50e0119e75a093c16a.mp3" and also mpg321 -o alsa09 -a "hw:1,0" "http://14.media.v4.skyrock.net/music/140/7c8/1407c842096aae50e0119e75a093c16a.mp3" results in nohting ... please help |
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| 17:50.43 | kapouik | raptor67782, try pkill pulseaudio before |
| 17:51.24 | raptor67782 | I never installed pulseaudio... it is not necessary to use it if you use alsa well |
| 17:51.30 | LittleFoot | is everyone in here fuking retarded |
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| 17:51.46 | LittleFoot | just answer a simple fukin question |
| 17:51.53 | LittleFoot | dont tell me about how i prefer mint |
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| 17:52.04 | kapouik | raptor67782, pulseaudio is a dependency for lot of package |
| 17:52.19 | raptor67782 | let me check ... |
| 17:52.25 | kapouik | try a ps aux|grep pulseaudio |
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| 17:52.31 | kapouik | just for check |
| 17:52.42 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.57 | kapouik | ok you are lucky :) |
| 17:53.02 | raptor67782 | apt-get insstall sox alsa mplayer is sufficient for a jukebox box |
| 17:53.04 | kapouik | hate pulseaudio |
| 17:53.06 | babilen | LittleFoot: I already answered your question (You want DVD1 or BD1) -- Please try to refrain from swearing and do not insult helpers in here. We are less likely to help you if you do that. Thank you. |
| 17:53.25 | raptor67782 | I too dont like it. pulseaudio is powered by ubuntu. debian are more clever, they dont need that |
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| 17:53.45 | raptor67782 | anyhow |
| 17:53.47 | kapouik | someone can confirm me : for building package I use : dpkg-deb --build directory |
| 17:54.07 | raptor67782 | sox is buggy and play too , in debian. well, we arent much stable, debian stable |
| 17:54.11 | kapouik | raptor67782, pulseaudio is lennart work and lennart work for redhat ;) |
| 17:54.14 | GNU\colossus | it seems hthat installing mplayer2 from Squeeze backports effectively prevents installing both mencoder and ffmpeg (both from squeeze proper, and backports). can anyone here confirm this? |
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| 17:54.29 | raptor67782 | the more we code, and develop, other basic package get broken.... lot of work to maintain stable ... pff pff |
| 17:54.43 | caravel | LittleFoot: I'd add that your attitude would deserve a ban ^^ Be lucky to only have a quiet... |
| 17:54.47 | caravel | (hi all) |
| 17:55.00 | kapouik | raptor67782, apt-get install alsa-utils && alsamixer |
| 17:55.02 | raptor67782 | caravel: hi all and you |
| 17:55.25 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.39 | babilen | kapouik: You typically use dpkg-buildpackage, debuild or .... to build a package. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:55.44 | kapouik | alsamixer for testing if you have no mute |
| 17:55.57 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.01 | caravel | babilen: just received a "STFU" by pm from LittleFoot :) I guess he wants a ban |
| 17:56.06 | kapouik | babilen, one package in debian is out of date : I update it |
| 17:56.06 | raptor67782 | alsamixer -c 1 is boosted to max sound |
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| 17:56.30 | raptor67782 | caravel: he is maybe a allmighty powerful hacker |
| 17:56.38 | babilen | caravel: Noted -- Thank you (Please /msg me about incidents like that) |
| 17:56.40 | bazhang | LittleFool, still at it? |
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| 17:56.47 | babilen | Lets move on. |
| 17:56.52 | bazhang | ok |
| 17:57.12 | raptor67782 | kapouik: would oyu have other ideas? I am out of. I tried all stuffs |
| 17:57.35 | babilen | kapouik: Which package is that? And how is it out-of-date? To which version do you want to upgrade it? |
| 17:57.58 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.38 | indigo | debian stable (tm) now with 40% more stability |
| 17:59.26 | kapouik | babilen, ocsinventory-agent, ocsinventory-server and ocsinventory-ocsreports |
| 17:59.41 | raptor67782 | please someone needs to remake the deb of mplayer ... it contains x11-common into the depencies required |
| 17:59.45 | raptor67782 | please a fix |
| 17:59.58 | kapouik | the 3 are in 2.0.2 version : there is a 2.0.5 version with lot of major security issue |
| 18:00.22 | kapouik | there is also in ocsinventory-server a patch that broke security |
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| 18:00.44 | kapouik | the maintainer know the problem but don't upgrade |
| 18:01.35 | babilen | ,versions ocsinventory-agent |
| 18:01.36 | judd | Package: ocsinventory-agent on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.0.9.2repack1-4lenny1; lenny-security: 1:0.0.9.2repack1-4lenny1; squeeze: 2:1.1.1-2.3; sid: 2:2.0-1.1; wheezy: 2:2.0-1.1 |
| 18:01.49 | babilen | ,versions ocsinventory-server |
| 18:01.50 | judd | Package: ocsinventory-server on i386 -- lenny: 1.01-6; squeeze: 1.02.2-1.1; sid: 2.0.2-2; wheezy: 2.0.2-2 |
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| 18:02.14 | babilen | kapouik: Which version do you need? |
| 18:03.05 | babilen | !tell kapouik -about ssb |
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| 18:03.08 | babilen | !tell kapouik -about uupdate |
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| 18:03.41 | kapouik | babilen, I need no version : I just one of the main developper from ocs inventory-ng :) |
| 18:03.41 | babilen | kapouik: Please also read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ (chapter 9 in particular) -- I am afk for a while. Good luck! |
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| 18:03.59 | kapouik | babilen, I have already open it :) |
| 18:04.04 | haotian_ | how to do "select all" and "copy" in nano ? |
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| 18:06.01 | caravel | haotian_: in nano, do Ctrl+G to get help |
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| 18:06.34 | caravel | haotian_: eg. Ctrl+K cuts current line and add it to a buffer, Ctrl+U paste the buffer etc |
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| 18:09.44 | caravel | haotian_: (so you can do eg. Alt+T Ctrl+U Ctrl+U) |
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| 18:16.00 | lay | sighs thanks everyone :) i'll be back tomorrow :p |
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| 18:16.07 | haotian_ | ty |
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| 18:20.47 | gadien | Can Debian be installed with USB Linux Live? |
| 18:22.10 | caravel | gadien: what is "USB Linux Live" ? you may put eg. the netinstall on a USB flash disk, yeah, if this is what you mean |
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| 20:06.39 | atpa8a | hello |
| 20:06.50 | atpa8a | any network gurus? http://paste.ubuntu.com/916460/ |
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| 20:09.18 | caravel | atpa8a describe your issue explicitely or nobody might guess it (right) |
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| 20:10.47 | mah454 | i need bundle package for debian |
| 20:11.36 | atpa8a | well, i cannot restart the network or even list br0 before eth0 in that file... altho i think the order shouldn't matter |
| 20:11.58 | atpa8a | so i suspect it's not an all kosher config |
| 20:12.13 | EmleyMoor | mah454: Can you explain more clearly? |
| 20:13.30 | mah454 | EmleyMoor, No , can not ! :D |
| 20:14.01 | caravel | atpa8a: I'm not familiar with such config file, but don't quite see the point of these multiple up+downs |
| 20:14.06 | EmleyMoor | Can you explain what you mean by "bundle"? Is that the name of the software? |
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| 20:14.41 | atpa8a | caravel: add aliases and routes |
| 20:15.30 | atpa8a | remove them when taking the network down |
| 20:16.59 | caravel | atpa8a: right .. what with your bridge_ports eth1, shouldn't that be eth0 ? |
| 20:17.06 | atpa8a | no |
| 20:17.15 | atpa8a | it's another card |
| 20:17.44 | caravel | atpa8a: so it's only a part of your interfaces file ? |
| 20:18.05 | atpa8a | caravel: the whole of it actually |
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| 20:18.06 | indigo_ | so, if my load average is through the roof, and top is showing 99% iowait, how would one determine what's to blame? |
| 20:18.21 | atpa8a | am i missing something? eth1 shouldn't need any config |
| 20:18.25 | caravel | can't see eth0 defined atpa8a |
| 20:18.37 | atpa8a | caravel: line 27 |
| 20:18.43 | caravel | meant eth1 sorry |
| 20:18.51 | atpa8a | right |
| 20:19.07 | atpa8a | eth1 is *only* part of the bridge, doesn't need any config |
| 20:19.49 | caravel | ok, what's the pther part of it ? sorry, I feel I'm wasting your time, you're the one explaining me your thing :) |
| 20:20.26 | atpa8a | no worries :) looking for anything that can clarify this thing for me |
| 20:21.04 | atpa8a | the ip rule/ip route part is needed for "source routing" |
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| 20:21.31 | atpa8a | along with: net.ipv4.conf.default.arp_filter=1 |
| 20:21.31 | atpa8a | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_filter=1 |
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| 20:21.57 | atpa8a | so that arp returns a correct MAC for each NIC |
| 20:22.17 | caravel | atpa8a: ok, do you have any error messages while trying to use that ? |
| 20:22.37 | atpa8a | network start fine and works fine |
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| 20:22.44 | atpa8a | it's the restarts that fail |
| 20:23.10 | atpa8a | so i think your hunch about up+downs might be onto something |
| 20:23.23 | caravel | atpa8a: what does it say ? and stop works ? |
| 20:23.47 | atpa8a | says... SIOFwhatever: already exists |
| 20:24.05 | atpa8a | yes, after restart it's all crucked |
| 20:24.07 | indigo_ | atpa8a: what's with adding all the ip addresses to eth0? |
| 20:24.12 | caravel | or both stop and restart fail ? |
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| 20:24.22 | atpa8a | indigo_: aliases |
| 20:24.27 | indigo_ | atpa8a: right, why? |
| 20:24.42 | atpa8a | following http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 20:25.03 | atpa8a | indigo_: running some services on different aliases... like bind9 binds to .22 |
| 20:25.34 | indigo_ | atpa8a: does it have anything to do with virtualization? |
| 20:25.45 | atpa8a | caravel: stop works |
| 20:26.16 | atpa8a | indigo_: that's why i got 2-nic board and run services on the first nic and virtualization on the second |
| 20:26.33 | atpa8a | no aliases on the bridge or eth1 |
| 20:26.40 | indigo_ | atpa8a: so, you are hosting VMs, and running a handful of services on the same server? |
| 20:27.00 | atpa8a | indigo_: yes :) don't ask - smallish home server |
| 20:27.10 | gadien | caravel, help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916537/ |
| 20:27.55 | indigo_ | atpa8a: well, i'd say try to make that configuration simpler until it stops being broken. |
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| 20:28.47 | indigo_ | it's pretty confusing as is. |
| 20:29.07 | atpa8a | indigo_: in what way? it's not "really" broken... it works on reboot :) only fails on /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 20:29.56 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know anything about the DEP5 machine readable copyright format? i'm having trouble how to correctly format the license text |
| 20:30.05 | itsnotabigtruck | DEP5 = this http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ |
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| 20:30.42 | indigo_ | atpa8a: i'd start by testing each interface in isolation with ifup/ifdown. |
| 20:31.25 | atpa8a | indigo_: br0 ifup/ifdown works no prob |
| 20:31.37 | indigo_ | atpa8a: then what about eth0? |
| 20:32.03 | atpa8a | ifdown works |
| 20:32.37 | atpa8a | hmm! sorry to waste your time! now ifup works too! |
| 20:32.43 | atpa8a | i didn't do anything |
| 20:32.50 | pathcl | yeah |
| 20:32.51 | atpa8a | i'm happy but puzzled |
| 20:32.56 | um__ | it looks like deb6 is still packaged with perl 5.10 - what would be the best way to upgrade to perl 5.14.0? preferably replacing (overwriting) the 5.10 |
| 20:33.44 | indigo_ | atpa8a: i've often had interfaces get stuck in half-configured states that cause such behavior when working on /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:34.23 | ansgar | um__: Upgrading the system perl isn't really feasible. |
| 20:35.37 | ansgar | um__: You would need to rebuild all XS modules as well and probably need quite a few fixes to make everything work with perl 5.14. |
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| 20:36.58 | jitskrol | Hey guys, I´m researching Open Source development and was wondering if it would be very rude to ask here if anyone would participate? |
| 20:37.22 | um__ | ansgar: ok.... so there is a lot of interconnectedness that would need to be accounted for then? |
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| 20:39.02 | indigo_ | jitskrol: it might depend on what types of questions you ask :) |
| 20:39.52 | jitskrol | haha well I´m researching one factor of intrinsic motivation in particular |
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| 20:41.38 | indigo_ | well, i'm here because it's my job, so i don't know how much that counts. |
| 20:42.03 | jitskrol | so basicly the effect of that factor on the engagement of volunteers |
| 20:42.43 | jitskrol | Well do you also contribute voluntarily? |
| 20:43.25 | indigo | when i was in school i did. Now it might seem i voluntarily contribute to projects, but usually it's because they are indirectly related to my professional duties. |
| 20:44.34 | kevlarman | also being able to point to substantial contributions to an open source project is really great for finding your first job out of school |
| 20:44.39 | indigo | though, i like my job, and I could find another, so maybe professional contributions are voluntary...also? |
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| 20:45.24 | indigo | hm yeah, i got my first programming job because i made some good contributions to a project |
| 20:45.26 | gadien | can anyone help me write this .iso image to disk (ubuntu 11.10) for Debian http://paste.ubuntu.com/916537/ |
| 20:45.59 | um__ | so would there be a feasible way to install perl 5.14.0 if not as the system perl? |
| 20:46.20 | jitskrol | Hm if you could answer with the voluntary projects in mind that would be helpful too. Of course there are a lot of other factors, Iḿ just checking one. If you would help my survey is here https://uleidenss.eu.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8jgmLHsvuymV36s, then I´ll stop cluttering your channel :) |
| 20:46.40 | dvs | gadien: You don't have permission to write the image to the disk. |
| 20:47.16 | jitskrol | Anyone else who could spare a few minutes and is a developer is more than welcome to help me graduate! (and science) |
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| 20:48.03 | gadien | dvs i know.. it's my computer. i'm the admin... it has ubuntu 11.10 live on it |
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| 20:49.22 | gadien | how do i change permissions |
| 20:49.29 | dvs | gadien: Can you run k3b or brasero? |
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| 20:49.58 | rndm | any idea what would cause du to show half the disk space utilization of df? |
| 20:50.15 | gadien | dvs, what the heck are those? I'm new |
| 20:50.15 | rndm | i did rebind and check for files under the mount points, there weren't any |
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| 20:51.09 | tremon | rndm: open files, for one |
| 20:51.16 | dvs | gadien: Those programs burn ISO images to CD or DVD |
| 20:51.30 | rndm | tremon: is there a way i can estimate the size due to that? |
| 20:53.01 | gadien | dvs, I don't have a CD drive |
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| 20:53.38 | dvs | gadien: Then what disk are you trying to write the iso image to? |
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| 20:54.07 | tremon | rndm: not that I know of, except for killing all processes (init 1). This difference usually isn't measurable unless you have very high I/O |
| 20:54.29 | rndm | we're talking 3GB different |
| 20:54.53 | rndm | but it is a server used for hosting and is under heavyish load |
| 20:55.25 | tremon | rndm: pastebin the output of df, du and lsof for the mountpoint in question and maybe we'll be able to tell you more |
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| 20:56.32 | gadien | dvs, sdb |
| 20:56.44 | dvs | that can be anything |
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| 20:57.18 | FDFlock | gadien: is that a hard disk? a flash drive? ...? |
| 20:58.26 | gadien | dvs, the Debian site is telling me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916588/ |
| 20:58.28 | rndm | tremon: thanks. lsof +L1 shows the huge log files i deleted being held open |
| 20:59.14 | jerng | hi all! how to open .tar.xz files? |
| 20:59.31 | tremon | jerng: tar -J |
| 20:59.50 | gadien | dvs, flash drive, it has Ubuntu 11.10 on the drive and i checked dmesg for it. it's sdb |
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| 21:00.24 | jerng | tremon: doesn't work... "invalid option" |
| 21:00.25 | FDFlock | I'm not sure that the netinstall ISO is usb-bootable... |
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| 21:01.38 | FDFlock | gadien: In any case, try again with sudo, but ON LY if are completely sure that you are using the correct device name. I'd use "dmesg" to check that |
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| 21:02.26 | gadien | FDFlock, this is the dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916592/ |
| 21:02.45 | gadien | FDFlock, am I to use sdb1? |
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| 21:03.26 | FDFlock | gadien: You can use either "sudo bash -c 'cat debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdX'" , or you can just "dd bs=1M if=/.../.../netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX" |
| 21:03.33 | FDFlock | gadien: let me check |
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| 21:05.06 | tremon | jerng: that's odd. http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=tar shows this as asupported option for squeeze |
| 21:05.44 | gadien | FDFlock, Debian tells me to do this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916588/ |
| 21:05.46 | FDFlock | gadien: It seems ok, but I'd run dmesg immediately after inserting to be sure (you can't tell whether that old message is still valid - the device name could have been assigned elsewhere, although not probable) |
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| 21:06.22 | FDFlock | gadien: Sure, but you can only write directly to /dev/sdX with root permissions |
| 21:06.43 | FDFlock | gadien: You can use either of the 2 commands I posted instead |
| 21:06.49 | gadien | FDFlock, well, I'll unmount it and put it back in then dmesg |
| 21:07.08 | jerng | tremon: still running on lenny... |
| 21:07.31 | gadien | FDFlock, well what does dd mean? |
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| 21:07.49 | FDFlock | gadien: Also, do NOT use /dev/sdb1, use /dev/sdb |
| 21:08.02 | gadien | FDFlock, got it |
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| 21:09.21 | FDFlock | gadien: dd is a very old and useful command but can be VERY dangerous if you aren't careful wih its syntax. |
| 21:09.52 | FDFlock | gadien: It is what I'd use though :) |
| 21:09.54 | gadien | FDFlock, so man dd is there is it |
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| 21:10.16 | tremon | jerng: xz-utils is in lenny-backports. Also, lenny is EOL since two months ago |
| 21:10.49 | FDFlock | yeah, you definitely want to double-check every command yourself before typing it in a terminal as root! |
| 21:11.15 | FDFlock | eg. I might have made a mistake earlier |
| 21:12.19 | kevlarman | FDFlock: it can be very dangerous if you are careful with its syntax :P |
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| 21:12.55 | jerng | tremon: ok, thx |
| 21:13.32 | FDFlock | kevlarman: also true :P |
| 21:14.49 | kevlarman | kinda surprised i've never screwed up a dd yet :P |
| 21:15.03 | FDFlock | Well, I managed to rm -rvf my own home directory (on a remote machine!) about 1 month ago, so anything is dangerous |
| 21:15.19 | somiaj | kevlarman: I have caught myself a few times typing a dd to /dev/sda (instead of /dev/sdb) but always luckly caught myself first. |
| 21:15.25 | FDFlock | The culprit was Ctrl-R in bash and accidentally pressing enter |
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| 21:15.56 | kevlarman | somiaj: btw yesterday i learned windows refuses to install to the 5th partition... |
| 21:15.59 | gadien | FDFlock, "sudo bash -c 'cat debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb'" is working |
| 21:16.06 | kevlarman | ...total, it was the 1st on the second drive |
| 21:16.11 | tremon | once typed !rm in bash. He'll never do that again |
| 21:16.41 | robokop | just set -e on your login shells, you'll learn to think before type :) |
| 21:16.43 | gadien | fdf exited without errors |
| 21:16.50 | dvs | sync |
| 21:17.16 | gadien | FDFlock, as above |
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| 21:17.58 | FDFlock | gadien: I know, I can explain to you why it wouldn't work without that syntax: Even if you run a command as root with sudo, it's the shell that redirects the output to /dev/... and the shell itself remains unpriviledged. So we are using a "nested" priviledged shell instead |
| 21:18.25 | FDFlock | running bash inside bash |
| 21:19.23 | FDFlock | gadien: That's because ">..." is parsed by the shell, not the program cat |
| 21:19.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: windows also dosen't like multiple partitions on 'removable' drives like usbthumb drives...very annoying |
| 21:20.22 | FDFlock | gadien: of course, you can use another command like dd, or run a "root terminal" |
| 21:20.38 | FDFlock | the latter is actually the same as what we did |
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| 21:21.33 | AthomIk | hello les gosses |
| 21:21.35 | kevlarman | has gotten into the habit of cat whatever|sudo tee dest >/dev/null |
| 21:22.36 | FDFlock | kevlarman: A very good habit, you can even cat ... | sudo dd of=... |
| 21:22.44 | FDFlock | or use pv instead of dd |
| 21:23.05 | FDFlock | doesn't understand why pv is not a standard core utility! |
| 21:23.19 | AthomIk | :) |
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| 21:25.34 | kevlarman | FDFlock: because spamming up stderr isn't a good thing by default |
| 21:26.30 | gadien | FDFlock, well, that don't explain why all the original data is still there |
| 21:26.58 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Yeah, I meant that either it should come preinstalled, or dd should have a --show-progress option |
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| 21:27.21 | kevlarman | FDFlock: you can pkill -USR1 dd |
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| 21:27.26 | FDFlock | I know about SIGUSR1 |
| 21:28.09 | FDFlock | it requires me to write a tiny script to use it every n seconds... clumsy |
| 21:28.41 | FDFlock | gadien: Wait, what? |
| 21:29.54 | FDFlock | gadien: Did you type "sync" and unmount the drive? |
| 21:29.56 | gadien | FDFlock, accually, i unmounted then remounted and the device doesn't show up in the places menu |
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| 21:30.05 | gadien | FDFlock, yes |
| 21:30.10 | FDFlock | gadien: that's 100% normal |
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| 21:30.34 | gadien | FDFlock, oh good. |
| 21:30.38 | FDFlock | gadien: It's now a bootable stick, probably formatted in ISO9660 |
| 21:30.46 | dvs | gadien: so boot from it and see what happens. |
| 21:30.48 | FDFlock | which isn't automounted |
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| 21:32.34 | gadien | FDFlock, so.. I don't need to put grub on it? grub is already installed for this distro. it's a duel boot system. |
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| 21:34.23 | FDFlock | gadien: The USB drive should already be bootable. Whether your hard drive will be (properly) bootable AFTER installing Debian is another thing entirely |
| 21:34.39 | FDFlock | Do you intend to also keep Ubuntu? |
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| 21:35.14 | Ix-Xitan | hi all is there a way to make some logfile display it contents to shell and keeps displaying entries that happen after on the fly as soon as they are entered/saved? |
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| 21:35.28 | FDFlock | Ix-Xitan: Yes |
| 21:35.38 | Ix-Xitan | enlighten me please |
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| 21:35.43 | gadien | FDFlock, ok, so "after" debian is installed I can look-see about installing grub from the software menu |
| 21:35.58 | FDFlock | Ix-Xitan: You can either use tail --follow |
| 21:36.10 | FDFlock | Ix-Xitan: or the relevant "less" option |
| 21:36.12 | gadien | FDFlock, assuming I can connect to the internet |
| 21:36.20 | Ix-Xitan | ill look them up thanks |
| 21:36.23 | rndm | Ix-Xitan: tail -f will work to follow |
| 21:36.33 | FDFlock | Ix-Xitan: I'd prefer the latter since you can have highlighting/search at the same time |
| 21:36.53 | Ix-Xitan | :) ill keep that in mind im looking things up right away |
| 21:38.18 | karlpinc | Ix-Xitan: Whatever you do will have to account for log rotation if you're expecting it to work long-term. For something long-term you're better off configuring the logging system, perhaps. |
| 21:38.18 | FDFlock | gadien: Not really, either grub will be aready installed, or Debian won't boot at all (so no "software menu" for you -> Synaptic)! |
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| 21:39.00 | FDFlock | karlpinc: Isn't logrotate installed by default? I don't remember |
| 21:39.28 | Ix-Xitan | FDFlock you sir is a genius *hats off* for the wicked help |
| 21:39.42 | gadien | FDFlock, Oh right, Synaptic. |
| 21:39.42 | FDFlock | you are welcome |
| 21:40.50 | gadien | FDFlock, thanks... well I guess it's time to try it out, no guts no glory style |
| 21:40.51 | FDFlock | Ix-Xitan: I think the relevant les command is "F", that is you open the log with less and type capital F |
| 21:41.08 | FDFlock | gadien: Will you also keep Ubuntu? That's important |
| 21:41.19 | FDFlock | gadien: I could propose a different setup |
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| 21:43.24 | FDFlock | gadien: There are many things to consider, eg. whether to keep the same /home partition (with a different userid -UID- or not), and whether you will b e using grub "chainloading" |
| 21:45.57 | FDFlock | I'm going to get some sleep, good luck! |
| 21:45.58 | FDFlock | is away |
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| 22:01.07 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 22:07.24 | gear4 | hihi |
| 22:07.34 | Rug | gear4: howdy |
| 22:07.41 | gear4 | =P |
| 22:07.43 | gear4 | hmm |
| 22:07.47 | gear4 | Down to my question .. |
| 22:07.56 | Rug | gear4: tuesday |
| 22:08.14 | gear4 | My apache2's mod_rewrite is missing .. how do I re-install it ? |
| 22:08.21 | gear4 | Rug, what ? |
| 22:08.43 | Rug | gear4: Just goofing around |
| 22:08.56 | gear4 | Rug, I notice :P |
| 22:09.05 | abrotman | gear4: which version of apache ? |
| 22:09.25 | gear4 | 2 |
| 22:09.56 | abrotman | not really what i meant .. |
| 22:10.46 | gear4 | uh |
| 22:10.56 | abrotman | gear4: dpkg -l apache2.2-common |
| 22:11.00 | gear4 | o |
| 22:11.00 | gear4 | k |
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| 22:11.27 | gear4 | 2.2.20 |
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| 22:12.14 | abrotman | still not what i meant .. the package manager gives ytou a specific versoin .. |
| 22:12.50 | gear4 | hmm |
| 22:12.59 | gear4 | under "Version" ? |
| 22:13.27 | themill | gear4: you could just pastebin the entire output of that command |
| 22:13.46 | gear4 | o |
| 22:13.47 | gear4 | true |
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| 22:14.56 | pmpbook | Anyone her use BusyBox? |
| 22:15.03 | abrotman | no one at all ... |
| 22:15.04 | gear4 | owai |
| 22:15.11 | gear4 | hmm |
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| 22:16.05 | gear4 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/916665/ |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | gear4: is this a public webserver? |
| 22:17.01 | themill | weren't you running squeeze 3 days ago> |
| 22:17.14 | gear4 | abrotman, yes |
| 22:17.25 | gear4 | themill, different computer x) |
| 22:17.37 | themill | dpkg: tell gear4 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 22:18.09 | gear4 | themill, i know how to update |
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| 22:18.50 | Crogge | Hey, is anyone here who is using Debian? |
| 22:19.10 | gear4 | is this #debian ? |
| 22:19.14 | sheep | it is #debian |
| 22:19.15 | Crogge | I hope so |
| 22:19.24 | gear4 | cool |
| 22:19.34 | gear4 | so then, everyone here uses debian |
| 22:19.42 | sheep | well most of the people here |
| 22:19.49 | Crogge | I was never here before |
| 22:19.51 | Crogge | Sorry |
| 22:20.05 | gear4 | neither was I (outright lie) |
| 22:20.28 | Crogge | I try to change the resolution of my console since 3 days but have sadly no success :/ |
| 22:20.46 | Crogge | The "vga=791" kernel parameter is filterred by Grub |
| 22:20.57 | Crogge | and gfxpayload seems to be bugged |
| 22:21.10 | Crogge | Changing the resolution of Grub itself works fine |
| 22:21.20 | Crogge | So its not a hardware related issue |
| 22:21.53 | Crogge | I also edited the grub.cfg manually but that didnt help |
| 22:22.14 | Crogge | Its always using the low default resolution which is simply not usable for a production system |
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| 22:23.11 | Crogge | I asked also in forums already (Debian ones) but nobody knows a solution |
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| 22:23.23 | Crogge | Maybe I found a bug? |
| 22:23.38 | meisth0th | hello |
| 22:23.48 | Crogge | hey |
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| 22:24.15 | tremon | Crogge: what do you mean "the vga= is filtered by grub"? is it present in /proc/cmdline? |
| 22:24.30 | gear4 | themill, could you help with Ubuntu too ? (I know #ubuntu , they're not as helpful as you guys) |
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| 22:24.53 | abrotman | gear4: not supported here, go to #ubuntu |
| 22:24.55 | Crogge | Well it says on boot "vga=791 is deprecated" and says I should use GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX instead |
| 22:24.58 | gear4 | damn |
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| 22:25.00 | gear4 | k ty |
| 22:25.10 | Crogge | So I tried GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX instead but that doesnt works |
| 22:25.11 | gear4 | coz, I have exact same problem |
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| 22:25.18 | abrotman | gear4: so ask #ubuntu |
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| 22:25.35 | gear4 | yes |
| 22:25.42 | themill | gear4: try not deleting /etc/apache all the time... and restore it in the same way as we helped you do so a few days ago |
| 22:25.58 | Crogge | and no its not shown in /proc/cmdline ... only nomodeset is being shown there |
| 22:26.03 | Crogge | Grub is filtering the vga= entry |
| 22:26.10 | nvz | I cannot seem to get isc-dhcp-server to start, it says in syslog its not configured to listen on any interfaces but I have a subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 in the /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 22:26.13 | gear4 | themill, thing is, i never ^^ |
| 22:26.21 | nvz | and eth1 is 10.0.0.1 |
| 22:26.25 | abrotman | gear4: someone did .. you might think they didn't .. someone did |
| 22:26.34 | gear4 | :/ |
| 22:26.38 | abrotman | oh, or your harddrive is eating files, in which case you've got a bigger problem |
| 22:26.43 | gear4 | I'll ask |
| 22:26.45 | gear4 | WUT |
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| 22:27.01 | gear4 | My harddrive eats my files ? |
| 22:27.02 | gear4 | hmm |
| 22:27.11 | gear4 | broken/damaged/corrupt harddisk ? |
| 22:27.20 | abrotman | or someone deleted them .. take your pick |
| 22:27.25 | themill | and it's always /etc/apache2 and it's multiple different machines too |
| 22:27.35 | gear4 | themill, +1 |
| 22:27.39 | abrotman | sounds like someone should hire an admin |
| 22:27.55 | meisth0th | i have a debian 6 running on my vps, i mainly use my vps as web (apache) and mysql server. i am planning to set a mail server on my vps and use it with my own domain (with ssl+ imap and smtp features). i messed with this issue once before, it was about using postfix and courier-imap with mysql backend. now i want to use only with real users, no virtual users. is it an easy task? and is there any documentation that you can suggest? |
| 22:28.07 | tremon | Crogge: I'm not sure gfxpayload_linux and nomodeset can be used together |
| 22:28.15 | gear4 | <= only uploaded to /home/web/cms.graphox |
| 22:28.25 | Crogge | Well I didnt use it together, I only tried numodeset now to exclude also that possibility |
| 22:28.44 | tremon | Crogge: what gfx card? |
| 22:28.51 | Crogge | AMD Geode internal GPU |
| 22:29.05 | Crogge | Supports all resolutions up to 1920x1440 |
| 22:29.10 | meisth0th | anybody? |
| 22:29.43 | Crogge | I use 1024x768 as test resolutions, its also supported by the framebuffer. and as I said changing the resolution of Grub itself works fine |
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| 22:30.24 | tremon | Crogge: if grub already sets the correct resolution, have you tried GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep? |
| 22:30.33 | Crogge | yes I tried also keep |
| 22:31.12 | Crogge | First in /etc/default/grub ... and when it didnt work I added it manually in /etc/grub.d/00_header ... but also that didnt work |
| 22:31.40 | Crogge | But its not using the resolution of Grub |
| 22:31.45 | tremon | Crogge: you can also press E at boot and edit the kernel commandline from within grub |
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| 22:31.58 | Crogge | Well I tried that to set vga=791 |
| 22:32.15 | Crogge | But also then its filtering it and displays the message that its deprecated |
| 22:32.47 | Crogge | Its a normal Debian 6 system, no custom drivers or sth in use |
| 22:33.20 | tremon | Crogge: I think grub is going ahead of itself; as I understood it, the vga= arguments are only deprecated for kms drivers, but the geode driver isn't kms-ready afaik |
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| 22:33.37 | Crogge | Mhh I see |
| 22:34.08 | Crogge | Any other possibility how I can set the resolution? |
| 22:34.15 | tremon | Crogge: you'd need to ask on the grub list or maybe freedesktop for this, I doubt many people here have experience with drivers outside of the main 3 |
| 22:34.39 | tremon | Crogge: try fbset, it should still work for framebuffer drivers |
| 22:34.40 | Crogge | And If I use a different bootloader? I dont really need Grub |
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| 22:36.43 | tremon | don't know about other bootloaders, sry |
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| 22:37.07 | Crogge | mmh ok |
| 22:37.58 | pmpbook | Where would I locate init= for booting? |
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| 22:39.05 | tremon | pmpbook: the bootloader config (probably /etc/default/grub) |
| 22:39.28 | Crogge | Thanks for the help so far tremon |
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| 22:40.32 | pmpbook | thanks |
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| 22:40.51 | pmpbook | out of curiosity, is that the file that is opened with 'e' during the bootloader? |
| 22:42.00 | tremon | no, that is /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it is auto-generated from that file and /etc/grub.d |
| 22:42.20 | kevlarman | speaking of which |
| 22:42.51 | tremon | has an irrational fear of witches |
| 22:42.56 | kevlarman | is there a way to get it to list only the most recent kernel, then all the other operating systems it detects, then all the older kernels? |
| 22:43.35 | Crogge | I read in a German forum now that it seems to be indeed a bug of Grub, where can I find the bug tracker of Grub for Debian? |
| 22:44.33 | tremon | !bts |
| 22:44.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 22:44.54 | tremon | kevlarman: not easily. You'd have to edit 10_linux to include only the latest kernel, then add a copy as 50_linux which lists the other entries (i guess) |
| 22:46.07 | Crogge | mmh so I should report also Grub issues to the Debian bug tracker? |
| 22:46.42 | tremon | Crogge: if you're unsure, you should probably ask the mailing list before filing a bug, but yes |
| 22:46.56 | Crogge | ok |
| 22:47.43 | kevlarman | tremon: how about just everything else first and default to debian? |
| 22:47.51 | pmpbook | So I need to edit init= but cannot boot the OS |
| 22:47.55 | kevlarman | or is that default difficult as well? |
| 22:48.10 | pmpbook | I guess I need to use the command line in grub? |
| 22:48.29 | kevlarman | pmpbook: any changes in the grub prompt are temporary |
| 22:49.08 | pmpbook | I am trying to apply this fix: http://busybox.net/FAQ.html#job_control |
| 22:49.48 | pmpbook | but I get the error during the boot process |
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| 22:49.59 | tremon | kevlarman: you can set GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default_grub, then only rename 10_linux to 50_linux and it should work. Problem is finding a good way to specify a default entry (by name or by index, both have their disadvantages) |
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| 22:51.02 | kevlarman | tremon: for now by index works |
| 22:51.10 | kevlarman | but i feel like that won't always be true |
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| 22:51.34 | tremon | yes, that's the problem :) |
| 22:51.40 | kevlarman | tremon: could 10_linux save the index it generated? |
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| 22:52.33 | tremon | kevlarman: that's a good idea, but currently the GRUB_DEFAULT entry is set in 00_header, so 10_linux would be too late... |
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| 22:53.02 | kevlarman | tremon: so i'd need a 90_footer or something? |
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| 22:54.00 | kevlarman | or would having that at the end of the config file cause issues? |
| 22:54.15 | tremon | don't know, you'd have to try it |
| 22:54.44 | tremon | pmpbook: methinks you're chasing ghosts. If you get that error during linux boot, something already went horribly wrong (like not being able to find /) |
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| 22:55.18 | tremon | s/linux/Debian/ |
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| 22:56.46 | gadien | FDFlock, I don't have alot of space on my HD. I thought you were pro Debian? and I've never heard of chain loading... atm I run M$ XP on 44GB out of an 80GB HD. Cause of WoW(22GB) and ASUS(in programs files 10GB) why it's so big, and I Installed Ubuntu on the rest of the HD. making just 1 root partition and 1 swap 500MB. |
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| 22:58.11 | kevlarman | tremon: oh god i just had a terrible idea |
| 22:58.29 | kevlarman | tremon: make 10_linux abuse savedefault |
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| 22:59.14 | kevlarman | it'd have a latency of 1 boot, but i'd work |
| 22:59.59 | tremon | not sure what solution you're thinking of, but if it works... :) |
| 23:02.19 | gadien | FDFlock, Why would windows XP need 12GB? |
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| 23:02.58 | pmpbook | tremon: why would you say that? |
| 23:03.02 | gadien | FDFlock, I save everything to external HD |
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| 23:21.10 | Crogge | mmh maybe I see the issue now |
| 23:21.21 | Crogge | What is the difference btw /sys/class/graphics/fb0/ and /sys/class/graphics/fb1/ ? |
| 23:21.25 | Crogge | framebuffer 0 and 1? |
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| 23:23.38 | Crogge | fb0: Geode LX frame buffer device fb1: EFI VGA frame buffer device |
| 23:23.53 | Crogge | It seems that this payload paramter is affecting only fb1 |
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| 23:33.33 | toxicsgz | Is using only the software supplied at install the safest and most stable way to use Debian? |
| 23:34.21 | thewanderer1 | toxicsgz: I would extend that to using only the software provided in the official repository, "main" section |
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| 23:38.23 | toxicsgz | thewanderer1 meaning anything in the software centre? |
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| 23:39.25 | thewanderer1 | toxicsgz: meaning anything obtainable by using apt-get, aptitude, or the "software centre", yes... |
| 23:39.42 | toxicsgz | OK thx |
| 23:39.45 | thewanderer1 | that is, as long as you don't enable other package sources |
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| 23:40.07 | toxicsgz | :) Linux novice, very new to debian. |
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| 23:43.44 | thewanderer1 | hmm, could anyone on Wheezy test starting KVM VMs with "vga" video? (preferably via virt-manager...) |
| 23:45.10 | thewanderer1 | crashes for me with the bug described here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-10/msg03008.html |
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| 23:47.50 | reportings | I am currently installing debian stable and I am to a point where the installer is asking me to choose one of three kernels to install... linux-image-2.6-amd64, linux-image-2.6.32-amd64 and linux-image-amd64. What are the differences between these kernels? |
| 23:49.11 | thewanderer1 | reportings: they are treated differently by the package manager: if you choose the more precise version number, it will stick and not upgrade automatically if a new one is available, but if you choose linux-image-amd64, it will go with what is the most recent on upgrades |
| 23:49.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | how specific the dependencies are |
| 23:49.38 | reportings | thewanderer1: ok, I think I will go with linux-image-amd64 then |
| 23:49.39 | reportings | thank you! |
| 23:51.45 | abrotman | reportings: choose the latter indeed |
| 23:52.01 | reportings | hmmm, nope! Guess not! I am getting a failure installing busybox apparently |
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| 23:52.37 | sssilver | Hi guys.... I'm buying a virtual hosting with debian, and recently my CPU is constantly at 100% with some whiptail process keeping it busy..... did I get hacked? |
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| 23:53.37 | thewanderer1 | sssilver: whiptail is a program for displaying question prompts in the terminal using ncurses - maybe it has a bug? |
| 23:54.10 | sssilver | thewanderer1: shall I safely kill it? |
| 23:54.19 | sssilver | and sleep peacefully? |
| 23:54.55 | thewanderer1 | sssilver: it depends - if it was spawned by an upgrade (check pstree), you might want to try to regain access to the controlling terminal, since it could be asking an important question (like, one to which the answer is 42 or so) |
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| 23:55.42 | sssilver | thewanderer1: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/576750/ |
| 23:56.13 | thewanderer1 | oh well, looks pretty strange I'd say |
| 23:56.30 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it got nohuped or reowned by something |
| 23:56.44 | sssilver | thewanderer1: maybe I did get hacked :( |
| 23:56.49 | thewanderer1 | you might want to ptrace it before going to sleep |
| 23:57.36 | abrotman | sssilver: what's the PPID ? |
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| 23:57.43 | abrotman | oh .. i see |
| 23:58.03 | abrotman | sssilver: do you have some web program to display logs ? |
| 23:58.05 | sssilver | 20218 root 25 0 16544 1584 1144 R 100 0.2 33099:32 whiptail |
| 23:58.32 | thewanderer1 | sssilver: definitely ptrace it |
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| 23:59.13 | sssilver | I don't know how :( |
