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| 00:02.44 | thewanderer1 | strace -p 20218 |
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| 00:02.51 | thewanderer1 | (you need strace package for that, obviously) |
| 00:03.12 | sssilver | thhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/576753/ |
| 00:03.19 | sssilver | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/576753/ |
| 00:03.32 | sssilver | and so on and so forth |
| 00:03.35 | sssilver | infinitely |
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| 00:04.38 | abrotman | not good |
| 00:05.00 | abrotman | sssilver: can you restart the apache process safely? |
| 00:05.06 | sssilver | abrotman: sure |
| 00:05.14 | sssilver | shall I? |
| 00:05.55 | abrotman | sssilver: hold on a sec .. if you look in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog .. do you see errors about IO ? |
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| 00:07.18 | sssilver_ | hey sorry disconnected |
| 00:07.21 | sssilver_ | shall I restart it? |
| 00:07.23 | thewanderer1 | sssilver: the process itself seems harmless, based on the strace printout - it was probably running on a terminal, and then something dropped it |
| 00:07.49 | thewanderer1 | also I am not sure how it is related to Apache |
| 00:07.55 | sssilver_ | thewanderer1: why the r/w errors then? |
| 00:08.16 | thewanderer1 | sssilver: I think it's trying to communicate to a terminal which went away |
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| 00:08.44 | sssilver_ | hm |
| 00:08.46 | thewanderer1 | the i/o strings resemble ncurses. looks legit. |
| 00:08.53 | abrotman | sssilver: hold on a sec .. if you look in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog .. do you see errors about IO ? |
| 00:09.11 | thewanderer1 | and yeah, tell abrotman about the log contents, that's one more thing to check |
| 00:10.15 | sssilver_ | abrotman: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/576760/ |
| 00:10.46 | sssilver_ | CPU went up to 100% since March 14 |
| 00:10.50 | sssilver_ | and didn't go down since |
| 00:11.29 | thewanderer1 | funky errors in the log - failure to delete PHP session files? |
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| 00:11.45 | sssilver_ | I don't use any PHP on this server |
| 00:12.03 | sssilver_ | only Python |
| 00:12.10 | thewanderer1 | still, you have log entries from PHP garbage collection |
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| 00:12.19 | thewanderer1 | it'll normally happen if you have PHP installed at all |
| 00:13.03 | thewanderer1 | sssilver_: what happens if you run: |
| 00:13.06 | thewanderer1 | [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -delete |
| 00:13.17 | thewanderer1 | (this is the line that was mentioned in the logfile) |
| 00:13.37 | sssilver_ | thewanderer1: nothing |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | do you use apache at all ? |
| 00:13.56 | sssilver_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:13.59 | sssilver_ | abrotman: for SVN |
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| 00:14.32 | sssilver_ | I don't remember installing PHP on this server |
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| 00:14.48 | arietis | hi, can anyone suggest good console based DC++ client? so far i have found microdc2 only |
| 00:15.02 | thewanderer1 | sssilver_: perhaps it was installed manually if you selected "web server" in the installer |
| 00:15.17 | thewanderer1 | er, automatically, even. |
| 00:15.21 | sssilver_ | thewanderer1: which php tells me nothing |
| 00:15.43 | thewanderer1 | sssilver_: apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:15.50 | thewanderer1 | is there a version installed? |
| 00:16.18 | sssilver_ | Doesn't appear so. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/576763/ |
| 00:16.21 | DaveNull | maxlifetime is part of php5-common |
| 00:17.53 | sssilver_ | hmm |
| 00:17.56 | thewanderer1 | aha, right |
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| 00:18.40 | abrotman | he could have other PHP installed |
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| 00:18.54 | abrotman | why not dpkg -l "*php*" ? |
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| 00:19.38 | sssilver_ | abrotman: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/576764/ |
| 00:20.28 | thewanderer1 | yeah, leftovers of previously installed PHP that has later been removed |
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| 00:20.57 | thewanderer1 | I don't think there is anything particularly suspicious going on |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | he could just restart apache |
| 00:21.36 | thewanderer1 | you could run "memtester" (it's a package name) and see if it returns any errors, since whiptail shouldn't ever end up like that, but nothing malicious seems to be in progress |
| 00:21.46 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: that whiptail there was not a child of apache... |
| 00:22.04 | DaveNull | maybe check the cron... |
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| 00:22.47 | abrotman | thewanderer1: did i misread it? sure looked that way? |
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| 00:22.52 | abrotman | bah, i already closed it |
| 00:23.06 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I think so, yes - ASCII trees can be confusing at times |
| 00:23.35 | sssilver_ | crontab -l is empty |
| 00:23.40 | sssilver_ | for root that is |
| 00:23.49 | thewanderer1 | the crontab is a non-issue |
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| 00:24.12 | thewanderer1 | sssilver_: so just run memtester, verify that your memory is alright, kill the whiptail and you're good |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | thewanderer1: well dman it .. maybe if the whole internet used fixed width fonts we wouldn't have this issue |
| 00:24.36 | gadien | FDFlock, Hey, made it back to Ubuntu in one piece |
| 00:25.01 | sssilver_ | thewanderer1: how do I use memtester? |
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| 00:25.46 | thewanderer1 | sssilver_: just run it, I think - and surely there's a manpage for it |
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| 00:26.38 | gadien | Whats the go with Debian? I just installed it (couldn't get a Network connection) and it had no GUI? |
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| 00:26.52 | abrotman | the go ? |
| 00:26.53 | sssilver_ | gadien: "it had no GUI" makes no sense |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | and you don't need a GUI for linux |
| 00:27.16 | sssilver_ | do you understand the difference between a distribution, linux and GUI? |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | do i? |
| 00:27.44 | gadien | well how do you use things? such as xchat |
| 00:27.49 | sssilver_ | does gadien |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | you'd need a GUI for xchat .. but you don't need a GUI for IRC |
| 00:28.13 | robokop | netcat is enough for IRC |
| 00:28.23 | sssilver_ | gadien: you run a window manager and then xchat on top of it |
| 00:29.00 | thewanderer1 | gadien: well, the first question is: did you select "graphical desktop environment" during the install? |
| 00:29.04 | sssilver_ | gadien: debian runs pretty much all of the window managers available for Linux |
| 00:29.08 | gadien | tty7 is non-existant |
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| 00:29.14 | seeker61 | am i right with the following guidance? apt-get install gdm3 |
| 00:29.29 | seeker61 | for the gui that is wanted? |
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| 00:29.42 | seeker61 | or apt-get install kde |
| 00:29.52 | gadien | thewanderer1, well, no internet so no options |
| 00:29.57 | abrotman | gadien: have you read the install guide ? |
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| 00:31.30 | seeker61 | gadien; if you have no internet then how are you on here |
| 00:33.22 | gadien | abrotman, well, enough to install the so called netinstall to a usb flash. but didn't have drivers to use my wireless usb (TP-LINK 150Mbps) to the wireless network at home |
| 00:33.49 | gadien | because this is my Ubuntu partition :) |
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| 00:34.05 | gadien | seeker61, as above |
| 00:34.29 | thewanderer1 | tasksel should solve the problem I suppose |
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| 00:35.11 | seeker61 | i have a windows management issue. when all is done boot into gdm3 i have to go to monitor and change resolution to 800X600 and then apply and then reverse the resolution and then all is well. What file needs to be changed to make the default resolution as it is now and how do i find out what the resolution is |
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| 00:39.55 | thewanderer1 | hmm, does virtio-blk seem extremely sluggish in KVM to anyone else? it only does 60MB/s for me and has greater latencies as opposed to 120MB/s and low latencies on the host |
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| 00:41.02 | gadien | question is: now that I've got the bare basic Debian system installed, how do I a: install the drivers for wireless usb and b: start the process for the gnome desktop |
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| 00:41.46 | Ring0` | Hey. I have usb devices in /proc/bus/usb . how can i pass/mount them to my chroot environment? |
| 00:42.39 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: well... mount -t proc proc /mnt/chroot/proc |
| 00:42.57 | gadien | is there a bots channel for Debian? |
| 00:43.28 | thewanderer1 | bots channel? |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | gadien: why not talk to the bot here? |
| 00:43.59 | gadien | well, ubuntu has a bots channel: ubuntu-bots |
| 00:44.11 | Ring0` | didnt do the trick thewanderer1. I've done that already |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | gadien: which wifi adapter do you have? |
| 00:44.16 | Ring0` | But it seems to be empty |
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| 00:45.18 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: the proc is the same inside and outside of the chroot... maybe you need /dev bindmounted? |
| 00:45.20 | gadien | abrotman, I have a TP-LINK TL-WN721N |
| 00:45.27 | thewanderer1 | (and/or sysfs) |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | !tel gadien about tl-wn721n |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | !tell gadien about tl-wn721n |
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| 00:46.36 | abrotman | gadien: and you installed squeeze/ |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:46.49 | gadien | abrotman, yes |
| 00:46.53 | Ring0` | thewanderer1: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev ? |
| 00:47.02 | Ring0` | and /sys ? |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | gadien: see what the bot told you |
| 00:47.30 | gadien | abrotman, but when it came to DHCP I couldn't do anything but skip |
| 00:47.38 | scientes | Ring0`, you dont need to bind mount sys or proc, mount them directly |
| 00:47.41 | abrotman | that's because you're missing the driver |
| 00:47.43 | gadien | bot told me nothing |
| 00:47.52 | abrotman | the bot told you |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | you just can't find it |
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| 00:48.09 | scientes | haha, indeed abbe |
| 00:48.15 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: mount --bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev |
| 00:48.21 | abbe | thanks scientes :) |
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| 00:48.38 | scientes | if a tree falls in the forrest.... |
| 00:48.50 | thewanderer1 | *quantum decoherence happens!* |
| 00:48.52 | gadien | abrotman, what does that mean? and I didn't see anything from the bot |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | look in all of your IRC windows |
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| 00:50.07 | Ring0` | Still nothing :/ This is so confusing |
| 00:50.17 | Ring0` | pci and input are in |
| 00:50.20 | Ring0` | just usb are empty |
| 00:52.38 | Ring0` | How do I "stop" chroot jail anyway. even if i unmount proc, the processes started there are still running? |
| 00:52.39 | antiiraj | Hi everyone. I just recently installed 6.0.4 with windowz 7 previously installed, but GRUB didn't have my windows there. Where is the file that I can edit to put the boot option in for windows |
| 00:52.46 | Ring0` | there means inside chroot env. |
| 00:52.46 | scientes | !tl-wn721n |
| 00:52.47 | dpkg | ath9k_htc is a driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
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| 00:53.03 | gadien | abrotman, oic, I thought it would come up in this chat... so I have to download and install ath9k_htc on the Debian partition, do you know what else I should do? |
| 00:53.14 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: there is no jail |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | gadien: did you read the whole thing ? |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | scientes: really? the bot already told him .. that was silly |
| 00:53.28 | antiiraj | I tried searching online but everytime I they say where it is located it isnt there |
| 00:53.30 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: if you run a process, it's just a process. want to kill it? kill it :P |
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| 00:54.00 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: and about USB - check if your usb dir is maybe really only a symlink? |
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| 00:54.13 | scientes | abrotman, well it seemed like he was confused about it |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | scientes: he jsut has to learn to use his IRC client |
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| 00:55.13 | gadien | abrotman, firmware required.. how do I ask a bot about atheros firmware? |
| 00:55.21 | Ring0` | hehe thewanderer1 |
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| 00:55.34 | abrotman | gadien: did you read the WHOLE factoid ? |
| 00:55.36 | Ring0` | regarding this source: http://www.npcglib.org/~stathis/blog/2011/12/04/entering-and-exiting-a-chroot-jail-properly/ |
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| 00:55.52 | Ring0` | you can see that he mounts /proc/bus/usb manually (even that he mounted /proc) |
| 00:55.58 | Ring0` | so did I and it worked. |
| 00:56.06 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: oh, usbfs... |
| 00:56.07 | Ring0` | Weird but still solved |
| 00:56.11 | scientes | wierd |
| 00:56.36 | gadien | abrotman, short of reading the rest on the browser |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | gadien: what is the other requirement the factoid lists? |
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| 01:00.48 | abrotman | .. the factoid isn't that big ... |
| 01:00.57 | gadien | abrotman, I don't see any other requirement.. or don't understand what your pointing at |
| 01:01.46 | gadien | abrotman, linux 2.6.3? |
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| 01:02.24 | abrotman | is that really what it says? which kernel do you have? |
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| 01:03.30 | gadien | I wish I knew how to query the bot.. |
| 01:03.58 | thewanderer1 | /msg dpkg yourquery |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | gadien: okay, since you don't know what you're doing .. let me spell it out .. yes, you'd need firmware, but your kernel is *way* too old. You can fix that, but you need internet on the box .. |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | gadien: can you plug the machine into a switch iwth a network cable? |
| 01:04.36 | gadien | well, Ubuntu's 3.0, Debian I'm not sure.. didn't write it down |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | i know what you have .. it's too old |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | you would need a network cable to resolve the issue |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | or we can make a new ISO and reinstall? |
| 01:05.57 | gadien | ok, thanks. so I connect via ethernet.. then... |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | then you read the instructions at backports.debian.org and install a newer kernel, and then get the firmware for your wifi card .. get that all osrted out ... then you configure your sources.list, then you aptitude update, and then you install gnome and xorg (those are the package names) |
| 01:07.02 | gadien | ISO sound ok, since I know what I did with the last one.. |
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| 01:10.50 | gadien | great.. so I log onto Debian, via ethernet, type in backports.debian.org and get a stable kernel, then firmware, configure sources.list? |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | goes to look for a desk |
| 01:12.32 | gadien | lol, I'm sorry.. I'm pathetic |
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| 01:19.00 | reportings | hmm, I have tried downloading debian dvd isos, but every time I check the md5sum my download is different than that listed on the file server. |
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| 01:30.10 | toxicsgz | Debian Squeeze, nvidia GeForce GTS 450. Want 1910x1080 resolution for 22" monitor, which driver, vesa, nv or nouveau? |
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| 01:34.32 | abrotman | the one that works ? |
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| 01:35.40 | gadien | why doe's Squeeze have an out-dated kernel... |
| 01:36.04 | abrotman | it has a stable kernel |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | gadien: squeeze was released over a year ago |
| 01:36.34 | gadien | right. |
| 01:36.50 | abrotman | is that somehow confusing |
| 01:37.08 | gadien | no, just annoying. |
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| 01:37.36 | abrotman | it's no different than any other OS |
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| 01:40.04 | gadien | mmm |
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| 01:44.40 | wipt | is nvi is the default debian install? or is it vim, or another clone? |
| 01:45.49 | boston8372 | vi for me |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | wipt: i think it's vim-tiny now |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | nvi is still available though |
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| 01:48.10 | wipt | abrotman: thanks! |
| 01:48.36 | boston8372 | nvi package 1.81 ----- 4.4BSD re-implementation of vi |
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| 02:01.35 | Hans_Henrik | i deleted /dev/null and i would like it back.. what now? x.x |
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| 02:02.58 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
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| 02:04.13 | Hans_Henrik | abrotman: no idea why i did that |
| 02:04.38 | jordanm | Hans_Henrik: mknod /dev/null c 1 3 |
| 02:04.42 | Na_Klar | My debian server shows up with a strange behavior: Sometimes, when you ping (or request otherwise) the server it does not answer for 2~3mins. Then everything is fine. It shows only when you make a >new< request. Constant (high frequenty periodic) requests never fail. I cannot find any error in any log file. What could that be? |
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| 02:05.14 | jordanm | Hans_Henrik: mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3 |
| 02:05.18 | Hans_Henrik | jordanm: ty. should i also chmod |
| 02:05.25 | bytetracker | evenin all |
| 02:05.27 | Hans_Henrik | guess thats a yes, ty |
| 02:06.00 | toxicsgz | $ grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log Does this list the driver in use or the drivers that are installed? |
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| 02:10.14 | gise | after lenny->squeeze my grub tries to load hd (1,1) and I have to manually change it to 0,1 to boot.. how do I make this permanent? |
| 02:12.32 | beder | gise tried grub-mkconfig or grub-install yet? |
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| 02:20.28 | yates | what is debian's package manager? |
| 02:20.50 | beder | aptitude |
| 02:21.32 | beder | http://wiki.debian.org/Apt |
| 02:21.35 | yates | beder: thank you. |
| 02:21.52 | yates | does debian have rolling upgrades? or otherwise how are upgrades handled? |
| 02:22.17 | beder | there are three "versions" - squeezy, wheezy and sid |
| 02:22.29 | beder | squeezy is the extremely stable version, rarely sees any updates |
| 02:22.33 | yates | alpha, beta, release? |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | !releases |
| 02:22.40 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
| 02:23.02 | beder | wheezy is equivalent to "testing", and sid is unstable |
| 02:23.16 | yates | "Hey, Sid!" |
| 02:23.26 | beder | indeed |
| 02:23.37 | Crogge | Someone knows how I can check with a script If I connected via SSH or via the local console? |
| 02:23.38 | yates | !stable |
| 02:23.38 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | yates: please msg the bot |
| 02:24.08 | yates | abrotman: how do i do that? |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | yates: /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:24.22 | Crogge | Like (if login=ssh) ... (if login=local) ... how can I do that in a shell script? |
| 02:24.48 | abrotman | Crogge: set | grep TTY .. see what's there |
| 02:25.27 | Crogge | Mhh local and ssh says "HOSTTYPE=i486" |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | you don't have an SSH_TTY or something ? |
| 02:25.57 | yates | are there any more "primitive" linux distros than debian? isn't debian the utilmate developer's linux since it's very customizable? |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | !tell yates about lfs |
| 02:26.19 | Crogge | no it shows only hosttype |
| 02:26.25 | yates | yeah, i know about linux from scratch |
| 02:26.33 | beder | yates: debian still have a lot of tools that help you get by |
| 02:26.49 | yates | right, i meant the most primitive *distro* |
| 02:26.57 | beder | gentoo comes to mind |
| 02:27.00 | yates | i'm not sure what i mean by that. |
| 02:27.01 | beder | slackware too |
| 02:27.01 | Crogge | mmh was a bad idea to write "set" on a slow framebuffer xD |
| 02:27.24 | beder | or you can even go *bsd |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | that's why i mentioned grep ? |
| 02:27.26 | Na_Klar | Is it >normal< to have 13 input ICMP message failes in 6 days? |
| 02:27.34 | Crogge | I wanted to see the full output |
| 02:27.37 | yates | beder: ewe! |
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| 02:28.25 | Crogge | But I think I found the correct way abrotman |
| 02:28.29 | Crogge | "TERM" |
| 02:28.30 | lorentzfactor | okay, having some issue with fglrx, it seems to work ok, but has horrible resolutions, when I use the driver from ati themselves it get better reso, but it's horribly laggy |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | Crogge: but i can make TERM say anything |
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| 02:28.47 | Crogge | SSH says xterm and local says linux |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | i guess i can make any envvar say anything |
| 02:29.24 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 02:29.34 | Crogge | So I guess I can use TERM for my shell scrpt? |
| 02:29.48 | Crogge | Like if(!xterm) ... |
| 02:29.58 | abrotman | try the 'tty' command ? |
| 02:30.06 | Crogge | Because I want to run a script when the user logins, but that shouldnt happen via SSH |
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| 02:30.29 | Crogge | mhh ye that could work too |
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| 02:30.50 | Crogge | default local login is always /dev/tty1 I guess? |
| 02:31.04 | Onionnion | is there a nvidia debian help channel or something like it? |
| 02:31.11 | beder | if I remember correctly, .bashrc is not called when you login through ssh |
| 02:31.26 | Crogge | It is called by default on my installation |
| 02:32.09 | Crogge | Same with other distros like Ubuntu, it calls also .bashrc when a SSH user is logging in |
| 02:32.20 | Crogge | in older versions it wasnt calling it by default |
| 02:32.26 | beder | really |
| 02:32.28 | beder | .profile too? |
| 02:32.34 | Crogge | dunno didnt check that |
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| 02:32.59 | abrotman | Onionnion: this is probably as close as you'll get, but you have to be lucky enough to find someone that wants to help you with that stuff |
| 02:32.59 | beder | also try .bash_profile while you're at it |
| 02:33.28 | Crogge | I dont have that |
| 02:33.34 | beder | yeah, create it |
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| 02:34.15 | Crogge | yes its also calling .bash_profile |
| 02:34.15 | Onionnion | My problem is that I just installed nVidia drivers and now all video playback (YouTube, video players, etc) has completely messed up colors. Google is not helping me find a solution |
| 02:34.44 | beder | yikes |
| 02:34.49 | beder | why would they do that |
| 02:34.57 | beder | it's a standard debian install you have there? |
| 02:35.21 | Crogge | Maybe you use Maybe you use YPbPr instead of RGB Onionnion |
| 02:35.28 | Crogge | yes beder |
| 02:35.41 | Onionnion | What do you mean Crogge ? |
| 02:36.06 | Crogge | Well that you use the wrong color set |
| 02:36.08 | nsadmin | color schemes? |
| 02:36.29 | nsadmin | private color maps per window? |
| 02:37.05 | Crogge | nah I think he is using the wrong color type for his video output |
| 02:37.14 | Crogge | some screens support only rgb |
| 02:37.29 | Crogge | I think the Nvidia drivers have some auto detection |
| 02:37.34 | Crogge | but it doesnt works always |
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| 02:37.54 | Crogge | I had a similiar issue with my htpc |
| 02:38.35 | Onionnion | this is odd. any text I place above the video has a bunch of dots in it |
| 02:39.18 | Onionnion | this pretty much explains the issue: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1535717&postcount=1 |
| 02:39.28 | Onionnion | except there isn't a fix |
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| 02:46.02 | toxicsgz | I still can't work out how to get full screen resolution, any help appreciated? |
| 02:47.48 | bytetracker | I can give it a whack |
| 02:48.07 | Crogge | A real geek is using cga resolution |
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| 02:48.43 | jbrks | toxicsgz, see if there's any "e-did" warnings/errors in the X log.. |
| 02:49.30 | toxicsgz | in /etc/X11 ? |
| 02:49.58 | jordanm | logs don't go in etc |
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| 02:50.24 | jordanm | toxicsgz: what version of debina are you using? pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:50.59 | Onionnion | is going to give up on this for now |
| 02:51.09 | toxicsgz | 6.0.4 squeeze |
| 02:51.12 | Onionnion | will make a forum thread tomorrow |
| 02:51.19 | gadien | How do I install kernel 2.6.35 and beyond? can I do it with aptitude? |
| 02:51.24 | jordanm | toxicsgz: pastebin the log |
| 02:51.38 | jordanm | gadien: on squeeze? |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | gadien: did you read the instructions at backports.debian.org ? |
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| 02:56.25 | Crogge | Is there a possibility to show two terminals on the same screen in Debian? |
| 02:56.35 | gadien | abrotman, I'm there, I can't see where I says on any of the pages how to install a newer kernel. I went to the packages in squeeze-backports > kernel but I don't know which one to install |
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| 02:57.27 | beder | Crogge: you mean outside of X? |
| 02:57.28 | abrotman | gadien: the INSTRUCTIONS link ? |
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| 02:57.38 | Crogge | Yeh without X |
| 02:58.07 | toxicsgz | jordanm http://pastebin.com/0w5Vv9j7 |
| 02:58.25 | beder | I don't think I've ever seen that |
| 02:58.33 | toxicsgz | sorry I am new to debian, might be a bit slow :) |
| 02:59.29 | Crogge | I saw it somewhere beder |
| 02:59.49 | beder | closest I seen to this is multiple files on vim, but has asbolutely nothing to do with ti :P |
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| 03:00.14 | abrotman | Crogge: you can use 'screen' and do it side by side IIRC |
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| 03:01.09 | jordanm | toxicsgz: what kind of video card do you have? lspci |
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| 03:01.14 | beder | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34 |
| 03:01.16 | beder | indeed |
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| 03:01.33 | beder | nice |
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| 03:01.57 | toxicsgz | jordanm nvidia GeForce GTS450. yes PCI |
| 03:02.04 | beder | "Essentially GNU Screen is a windowing system for the console." |
| 03:02.13 | beder | seems pretty cool |
| 03:03.05 | jordanm | !tell toxicsgz about bpo |
| 03:03.06 | gadien | abrotman, it tells you to put deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main in sources.list then aptitude -t squeeze-backports install "package" so what package am I supposed to install for kernel 2.6.35 or newer |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | !tell gadien about search |
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| 03:03.41 | jordanm | actually, a newer kernel module isn't going to help you |
| 03:03.46 | jordanm | !tell toxicsgz about nvidia |
| 03:03.56 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 03:03.57 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 295.33-1; sid/non-free: 295.33-2 |
| 03:04.18 | jordanm | toxicsgz: you will want to install the proprietary nvidia drivers from squeeze backports. see the factoids |
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| 03:06.26 | beder | I've been hearing about this backports since I first started entering here |
| 03:06.29 | beder | it seems like a pain |
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| 03:07.18 | jordanm | add a repo and use it |
| 03:07.20 | jordanm | not a pain |
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| 03:09.09 | beder | looks like some sort of workaround |
| 03:09.25 | toxicsgz | jordanm Do I really need the proprietary drivers, I don't think I will be needing 3D support, would vesa or nv not give me 1910x1080 ? |
| 03:09.38 | somiaj | toxicsgz: what is your video card? |
| 03:09.40 | gadien | jordanm, so 2.6.35 is all I need. |
| 03:09.54 | toxicsgz | GeForce GTS 450 |
| 03:09.57 | toxicsgz | PCI |
| 03:10.13 | somiaj | toxicsgz: pci-E I hope you mean, anyways nouveau will work for that card |
| 03:10.21 | toxicsgz | Yes :) |
| 03:10.22 | somiaj | toxicsgz: but I think you will need the kernel and xorg from squeeze-backports |
| 03:10.41 | bytetracker | aye, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 03:10.43 | somiaj | toxicsgz: I know nouveau support for the fermi core was only added in like kernel 3.1 or something |
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| 03:11.10 | beder | just out of curiosity, would it work the same way if you download the kernel source and compile it yourself? |
| 03:11.12 | bytetracker | using it now, cause 295 and a cpl others hose me up |
| 03:11.13 | somiaj | toxicsgz: (that is you if you prefer that over the non-free drivers, I will still grab those from squeeze-backports as well) |
| 03:11.28 | beder | and boot it through grub or lilo off course |
| 03:11.37 | toxicsgz | I just want my system as stable as possible. |
| 03:11.50 | somiaj | beder: I think it is far easier to just install a kernel from backports as opposed to build one yoruself |
| 03:12.08 | toxicsgz | Which is why I have choosen Debian, and a steep learning curve it seems :0 |
| 03:12.18 | bytetracker | toxicsgz: nouveau are more stable in many areas than non-free nvidia drivers, but you lose certain featers that are card specific. |
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| 03:12.21 | beder | somiaj: yeah I get that, but if I want to compile a new kernel from source, would it work the same way? |
| 03:12.26 | somiaj | beder: it is really a few steps, 1) add a squeeze-backports source to sources.list 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get -t squeeze-backports install liux-image-3.2-<ver> |
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| 03:12.40 | somiaj | beder: yes that is all a backport is, newer software compiled against the squeeze libaries |
| 03:12.49 | somiaj | beder: you can either get them premade or compile them yourself. |
| 03:12.50 | beder | got it |
| 03:12.56 | beder | I see |
| 03:12.59 | beder | thanks |
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| 03:13.36 | beder | would apt-get bother me if I compile a custom kernel? |
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| 03:13.38 | somiaj | bytetracker: the non 3D support on nouveau is holding in back in comparision to the free radeon drivers. |
| 03:13.43 | somiaj | beder: use kernel-package |
| 03:13.58 | toxicsgz | I am afraid this is over my head at the moment, I do not know how to use the information. How do I download the proprietary drivers? |
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| 03:14.01 | somiaj | beder: it is tool that compiles the kernel into a .deb, then install it with dpkg -i and it will work like any other kernel. |
| 03:14.14 | toxicsgz | or nouveau? |
| 03:14.36 | beder | somiaj: would it give me the same options I get through make config ? |
| 03:14.53 | somiaj | toxicsgz: 1) add 'deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free' to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:15.14 | somiaj | !tell beder -about kernel-package |
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| 03:15.38 | somiaj | beder: if you know how to compile a kernel the only difference is instead of typing 'make bzimiage' |
| 03:15.50 | jordanm | toxicsgz: no, vesa will not give you 1910x1080 |
| 03:15.51 | somiaj | beder: you type 'make-kpkg --revision=1.name kernel_image' |
| 03:15.55 | bytetracker | somiaj: yea, but even that stuff isn't necessarily implemented properly in the drivers. 2D f.e. i get artifacts and weird triangle's stretched (usually where shadows should be) in the non-free but not in nouveau. |
| 03:16.17 | somiaj | beder: also I prefer make menuconfig (over make config) |
| 03:16.21 | jordanm | toxicsgz: nv is dead and will never support your card. nouvea supports your cards, but only in newer versions that can't be installed in squeeze |
| 03:16.23 | toxicsgz | thx jordanm |
| 03:16.44 | toxicsgz | So the prop' driver is my only option. |
| 03:16.46 | somiaj | toxicsgz: once you add that source to your sources.list run apt-get update. |
| 03:17.19 | jordanm | toxicsgz: your easiest path is proprietary drivers. if you *really* didn't want proprietary drivers for some kind of moral reason, your next option would be an upgrade to testing, which is really not recommended for beginners |
| 03:17.29 | jordanm | or anyone who uses their system to do work |
| 03:17.32 | toxicsgz | somiaj can I do that in /System/ Administration/Software Sources? |
| 03:17.34 | somiaj | toxicsgz: then to install the non-free drivers install the following packages from squeeze-backports, linux-image-3.2-<ver>, linux-headers-3.2-<ver>, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-dkms, xserver-xorg |
| 03:18.01 | somiaj | toxicsgz: if that is synamptic, yes though I don't really like synamptic itself (it somethines doesn't work with other things nicely) |
| 03:18.27 | beder | somiaj: apparently there's a script (/usr/sbin/modconf) that deals with the modules, so we don't have to woryr about initrd afterwards too... looks cool |
| 03:18.38 | beder | somiaj: thanks |
| 03:19.04 | somiaj | beder: yea make-kpkg automatates the whole thing the th intrid I think is ceated when you install the package. Note when I compiled kernels I avoided intrid images, but I didn't see the point on a custom kernel |
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| 03:19.28 | somiaj | beder: there is a --initrd option for make-kpkg |
| 03:19.47 | beder | somiaj: I used to compile my own kernels when I used slackwar,e been using debian for a couple of weeks, still trying to understand the "debian way" of doing certain things |
| 03:20.14 | somiaj | beder: debian way basically means 1) compile a deb 2) install the deb via dpkg package management tools |
| 03:20.22 | somiaj | beder: as opposed to just compliing/installing |
| 03:20.34 | beder | right, because of package management |
| 03:21.18 | beder | but isntead of just blacklisting things, you actually include them on the pkg mgnt tool |
| 03:21.20 | somiaj | note debian actually works well in many cases with 'make install' -- just put things in /usr/local and you'll be fine, but then you sometimes have to do special things to get dpkg/apt to know you installed that from source for dependencies, but there are even ways to do that. |
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| 03:22.18 | beder | yep, getting the hang of it |
| 03:22.19 | somiaj | but I use to install various software (such as wine, firefox, etc) in /usr/local -- as long as things don't depend on them. But using dpkg makes things far easier to manage |
| 03:22.35 | somiaj | so I compile my software into a custom .deb whenever I can |
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| 03:23.21 | beder | cool |
| 03:24.28 | beder | so using dpkg -i also uninstalls the old package |
| 03:24.33 | beder | if there is one |
| 03:24.47 | somiaj | well -i means install |
| 03:24.51 | somiaj | so you want -r or --purge |
| 03:25.01 | somiaj | note if you install a package via dpkg -i |
| 03:25.01 | beder | I mean if you're updating something |
| 03:25.02 | jordanm | -i will upgrade if its an upgrade |
| 03:25.09 | jordanm | unlike rpm |
| 03:25.10 | beder | "2. If another version of the same package was installed before the new installation, execute prerm script of the old package." |
| 03:25.15 | Na_Klar | my iptables throws constantly this line (LOG): http://codepad.org/a4g4jP49 .. what does that mean? 0/255 ?? a deny for all ports? |
| 03:25.40 | beder | jordanm: right, that's what I understood from the manual |
| 03:25.43 | somiaj | beder: oh yes, yup it will upgrade the package for you. Note once the package is installed you can use apt-get/aptitude to remove it (just incase things afterward get installed that dpend on it) |
| 03:25.59 | jordanm | Na_Klar: iptables -L -n | grep LOG |
| 03:26.04 | beder | so creating a .deb also means it will create a remove script for you? |
| 03:26.43 | jordanm | beder: debhelper will create a prerm and postrm script for you if you use debhelper to create the package |
| 03:26.47 | somiaj | beder: what do you mean by remove script? Yes many packages have a post/pre install/remove script, but this is dependent on the debian/rules in the source. Simple ones may not need either. |
| 03:26.48 | Na_Klar | jordanm, http://codepad.org/JBWCq20Y |
| 03:26.55 | jordanm | by default, dpkg will just remove all files that were installed by the deb |
| 03:27.07 | jordanm | without a "script" |
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| 03:27.08 | Na_Klar | jordanm, it has the right position after all rules |
| 03:27.14 | cantido | except any conf files you define :) |
| 03:27.15 | beder | I see |
| 03:27.18 | Na_Klar | (but not the reject ones) |
| 03:27.31 | beder | pretty neat |
| 03:27.32 | somiaj | beder: the debian matainers guide is a good read if you want to know more about the policies behind debian packages. |
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| 03:27.41 | cantido | beder: it just tracks which files got added to the directory you build into and removes them when you uninstall |
| 03:27.49 | Crogge | That split screen console stuff works fine :> |
| 03:27.50 | jordanm | Na_Klar: then you are not actually dropping or rejecting the packet |
| 03:27.54 | Crogge | So many screens ... |
| 03:27.59 | somiaj | beder: though you don't need much knowledge to create them in simple cases again /msg dpkg kernel-package and /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 03:28.04 | Crogge | splits his Debian screen into 128 pieces |
| 03:28.25 | nsadmin | whoa! random power of 2! |
| 03:28.29 | beder | wow |
| 03:28.34 | beder | just learned about that maintainers guide http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 03:28.38 | beder | thanks |
| 03:28.39 | Na_Klar | jordanm, how do you mean that? Here is the whole iptables btw: http://codepad.org/YW08KkjZ |
| 03:28.57 | nsadmin | beder, and the packaging manual |
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| 03:29.30 | jordanm | Na_Klar: the packets being logged with "denied" actually are not denied, only logged |
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| 03:30.46 | Na_Klar | jordanm, but after the LOG there only comes the deny rules ... so they get logged then denied. But I also do not get what is there logged? |
| 03:31.01 | nsadmin | the rules and the way you have to do it is slightly awkward... you put the log rule that matches what you want to deny, then put the same rule that actually denies the same thing |
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| 03:31.38 | Na_Klar | I wanted to log the denies |
| 03:32.41 | nsadmin | so, for each log rule that matches one thing or a range of things you want to deny, you need the same matching rule that instead of logs, denies. |
| 03:32.43 | jordanm | Na_Klar: looks like a broadcast packet |
| 03:33.22 | Na_Klar | jordanm, where does it come from? |
| 03:33.55 | Na_Klar | nsadmin, did you look at the whole iptable as I pasted? |
| 03:33.57 | jordanm | Na_Klar: 00:25:90:71:50:23:08:00 |
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| 03:34.12 | jordanm | Na_Klar: my guess would be a DHCP broadcast |
| 03:34.22 | Na_Klar | jordanm, well that's a mac address ... |
| 03:34.27 | Na_Klar | hm |
| 03:34.31 | Na_Klar | dhcp |
| 03:34.49 | Na_Klar | the server is in a computer-center .. there wouldn't use a dhcp, would they? |
| 03:35.00 | Na_Klar | (own machine) |
| 03:35.05 | toxicsgz | somiaj I have added the source and run the update. How do I install the packages? |
| 03:35.43 | jordanm | Na_Klar: they might, for PXE booting |
| 03:35.53 | nsadmin | dpkg -i thepackageyouwanttoinstall |
| 03:35.53 | dpkg | installs thepackageyouwanttoinstall into nsadmin's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 03:35.53 | toxicsgz | apt-get install <package name>? |
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| 03:36.10 | somiaj | toxicsgz: not quite |
| 03:36.18 | somiaj | toxicsgz: first apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 |
| 03:36.20 | toxicsgz | :) |
| 03:36.22 | Na_Klar | jordanm ... hm ... I read something about pxe while looking at iftop ... |
| 03:36.27 | nsadmin | after building the package source, first look in .. |
| 03:36.29 | somiaj | toxicsgz: get the name of the kernel image package you want to install |
| 03:36.42 | somiaj | toxicsgz: after you have the name, lets install it |
| 03:36.58 | somiaj | toxicsgz: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-3.2-<ver> linux-headers-3.2-<ver> |
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| 03:37.26 | nsadmin | wait, did you say you built a package from source? |
| 03:39.22 | Na_Klar | jordanm, my machine (which is housed in their center) does not use pxe boot at all. But maybe other machines in their center do ... |
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| 03:40.03 | jordanm | Na_Klar: maybe. if they offer an automated rescue environment, its probably PXE boot |
| 03:40.20 | Na_Klar | jordanm, ah you were right, there is a periodical request to /255 from bootps *:bootpc |
| 03:40.41 | Na_Klar | * to bootps from bootpc |
| 03:40.49 | toxicsgz | somiaj what kernel image package name am I looking for? |
| 03:40.54 | nsadmin | oh, nm me; I misinterpreted something |
| 03:41.18 | somiaj | toxicsgz: uname -r |
| 03:41.59 | toxicsgz | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:42.07 | somiaj | toxicsgz: depends on your arc (32bit or 64bit in many cases) |
| 03:42.17 | somiaj | toxicsgz: so you will want a version that has a -amd64 in it |
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| 03:43.37 | Na_Klar | jordanm, how do I allow that requst? -A INPUT -p udp ... but how do I specify when I do not want to allow all udp requests? .. the LOG line seems not to be helpful besides it says it is udp .. |
| 03:44.08 | jordanm | Na_Klar: there is no real reason for you to accept that request |
| 03:44.24 | Na_Klar | jordanm, that is right. but it disturbs my log |
| 03:44.36 | toxicsgz | somiaj apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 outputs a list of them, all for 64bit? |
| 03:45.05 | somiaj | toxicsgz: yes I think the name will be like linux-image-3.2-amd64bpo.1 (or something like that |
| 03:45.10 | somiaj | I don't want to look it up |
| 03:45.21 | dvs | makes somiaj look it up |
| 03:45.44 | somiaj | overloads |
| 03:45.44 | toxicsgz | :) |
| 03:45.48 | dvs | toxicsgz: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 03:45.55 | toxicsgz | Can I pastebin you the output? |
| 03:46.00 | somiaj | toxicsgz: if you want |
| 03:46.19 | somiaj | toxicsgz: really trying to teach you to search for your own package names, (: |
| 03:46.36 | nsadmin | toxicsgz have mercy... don't use pastebin.com :) |
| 03:46.55 | jordanm | Na_Klar: maybe: iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m addrtype --srctype BROADCAST -j ACCEPT |
| 03:47.08 | Na_Klar | jordanm, I'll give a try, ty |
| 03:47.10 | jordanm | Na_Klar: or you could add a negation to your log for the --srctype |
| 03:47.21 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 03:47.25 | jordanm | ! --srctype |
| 03:47.38 | Na_Klar | true dat |
| 03:47.43 | jordanm | sorry, that should be --src-type |
| 03:47.52 | Na_Klar | indeed |
| 03:49.32 | toxicsgz | somiaj http://pastebin.com/qtfDYVQQ |
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| 03:50.21 | jordanm | toxicsgz: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 03:51.07 | somiaj | toxicsgz: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 03:58.42 | bytetracker | Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. <--- |
| 03:59.13 | dvs | bytetracker: Uh... that's backwards. |
| 03:59.36 | Na_Klar | jordanm, that worked perfectly. Excluded broadcasts from the log. ty |
| 04:00.04 | toxicsgz | somiaj Unable to locate package? |
| 04:00.05 | bytetracker | uh, yea, but intentionally. Either order, the point is not lost. |
| 04:00.50 | Delf | while cypying a file over samba, it stops @ random %. What's going on? No error in the samba log. Client is win7 coyping from Debian wheezy. |
| 04:00.58 | bytetracker | but yes, I did intentionally reverse the proper order. |
| 04:01.24 | toxicsgz | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-3.2-linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 04:01.32 | toxicsgz | is that the correct command? |
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| 04:02.19 | dvs | toxicsgz: You included an extra "linux-image-3.2-" at the beginning. |
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| 04:03.00 | bytetracker | toxicsgz: linux-image-3.2.0-0 |
| 04:03.26 | bytetracker | toxicsgz: 3.2- will fail |
| 04:03.45 | bytetracker | sorry dvs to stomp on your answer. |
| 04:03.53 | dvs | grumbles |
| 04:04.20 | bytetracker | dvs: no ill intent meant, honestly. |
| 04:04.45 | lorentzfactor | Whenever I run pidgin, it fails with bus error, I looked but just see old bug reports with no resolution, any ideas? |
| 04:04.48 | dvs | grumbles something about "fish" |
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| 04:06.17 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: more specific errors would be better, pastebin if you prefer. but don't paste here. |
| 04:06.35 | lorentzfactor | heh |
| 04:06.58 | lorentzfactor | k hold on |
| 04:07.22 | bytetracker | slides a beer down to dvs :) |
| 04:07.40 | lorentzfactor | bytetracker: actually |
| 04:07.47 | lorentzfactor | I'll paste it in here |
| 04:07.50 | lorentzfactor | $pidgin |
| 04:07.51 | lorentzfactor | Bus error |
| 04:07.53 | lorentzfactor | $ |
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| 04:08.05 | lorentzfactor | literally all it says |
| 04:08.06 | bytetracker | quite literally the full error there ? lol |
| 04:08.10 | lorentzfactor | yes |
| 04:08.18 | lorentzfactor | hence the...problems finding resolution |
| 04:08.21 | bytetracker | tail dmesg, or syslog |
| 04:09.09 | lorentzfactor | Apr 5 22:55:50 HomeNet kernel: [ 804.770006] pidgin[4758] trap stack segment i |
| 04:09.09 | lorentzfactor | p:7f35c0e670dd sp:7fff7da4fa70 error:0 |
| 04:09.11 | lorentzfactor | that's it |
| 04:09.30 | lorentzfactor | not particularly..enlightening unfortunately |
| 04:10.29 | bytetracker | aight, try 'strace pidgin' |
| 04:10.33 | lorentzfactor | okay now, also |
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| 04:10.37 | lorentzfactor | disabled audio |
| 04:11.01 | lorentzfactor | and now it gave me the segfault message "this probably isn't your fault, if it continues, please contact the devs" etc. |
| 04:11.05 | lorentzfactor | no info beyond that |
| 04:11.09 | lorentzfactor | ok |
| 04:12.22 | Rusty1 | there is a #pidgin channel, maybe they've seen this |
| 04:12.41 | lorentzfactor | ok, I figured it debian may have seen it |
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| 04:12.46 | lorentzfactor | as it works fine on my gentoo machine |
| 04:12.49 | lorentzfactor | just not this debian one |
| 04:13.17 | lorentzfactor | didn't know if maybe different audio drivers or something, considering that audio bus seemed to be causing the intial error |
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| 04:13.51 | Rusty1 | wait here or ask there |
| 04:13.52 | bytetracker | are you using MSN? |
| 04:14.34 | somiaj | toxicsgz: you need apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 04:14.39 | lorentzfactor | msn? |
| 04:14.40 | lorentzfactor | yeh |
| 04:14.46 | lorentzfactor | works fine on this computer here |
| 04:14.56 | lorentzfactor | but not that one, obviously |
| 04:14.57 | beder | so, still the backports issue |
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| 04:15.15 | lorentzfactor | well, not sure... cos it isn't even really starting up msn or not |
| 04:15.45 | lorentzfactor | I wonder, since this is first time I've played with 64bit debian, if maybe I'm missing some 32bit libs needed by libpurple |
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| 04:17.37 | bytetracker | I searched this 'linux pidgin ip sp' at search.yahoo.com and thats what came up. aside from a load of audio programs messing pidgin up. |
| 04:17.47 | kripz | i installed debian without selecting "desktop" package. i then installed xfce etc. do i need to change any kernel settings? |
| 04:19.28 | beder | kripz: why you're asking that? |
| 04:19.32 | beder | kripz: something's not working? |
| 04:19.37 | bytetracker | just another http://linuxidx.com/linux.php?q=pidgin+ip+sp |
| 04:19.55 | kripz | beder, desktop responsive seems slow, i thought it may be configured for "server" mode? |
| 04:20.08 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: if there is anything missing apt-get check would find it. or apt-get -f install will install anything missing. |
| 04:20.10 | toxicsgz | somiaj that has left me with a messge in terminal, my prompt says END, I cannot inout anything and closing terminal will kill the process? |
| 04:20.42 | beder | kripz: tried running "top" to check if there's anything messing with your cpu? |
| 04:20.45 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: I doubt there's anything missing from the 32bit lib. I think your on the right track reguarding audio, or aps. |
| 04:21.04 | lorentzfactor | bytetracker: oddly... it worked just fine when executed using strace :| |
| 04:21.25 | lorentzfactor | first time it has actually run, no less |
| 04:21.45 | lorentzfactor | actually it seems to work fine now |
| 04:21.58 | lorentzfactor | after I installed emesene |
| 04:22.05 | lorentzfactor | which makes zero sense |
| 04:22.10 | lorentzfactor | but.. ok.. lol nvm |
| 04:22.15 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: strace traps the errors and continues, but prints them out. |
| 04:22.32 | lorentzfactor | hrm, so. it'll run even if it normally wouldn't |
| 04:22.49 | lorentzfactor | but then, if it seg faulted earlier, that's not something you can continue from |
| 04:22.57 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: so you can see the failures, and work them out. WIthout strace, the program captures the failure, prints it and quits. |
| 04:23.09 | lorentzfactor | yeh the failure was a seg fault though |
| 04:23.18 | lorentzfactor | I figure that's destructive no way about it |
| 04:23.23 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: the segfault never reaches pidgin |
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| 04:23.34 | lorentzfactor | ah. |
| 04:23.36 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: its stopped and trapped by strace |
| 04:23.40 | lorentzfactor | ok |
| 04:23.51 | bytetracker | lorentzfactor: so pidgin thinks its all kewl. |
| 04:24.16 | Delf | anyone please? |
| 04:24.17 | Delf | while cypying a file over samba, it stops @ random %. What's going on? No error in the samba log. Client is win7 coyping from Debian wheezy. |
| 04:25.00 | lorentzfactor | nope bytetracker works fine now sans strace |
| 04:25.01 | lorentzfactor | =s |
| 04:25.04 | lorentzfactor | mechanics syndrome |
| 04:27.18 | bytetracker | kewl, ok lol |
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| 04:29.37 | somiaj | toxicsgz: pastebin what you have...also pastebin apt-cahce policy linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 04:29.37 | bytetracker | Delf: what are you copying 1 file or a dir structure? |
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| 04:30.06 | bytetracker | Win7 has a load of new file shareing policies related to homegroup. |
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| 04:36.25 | dondon | baby don't hurt me, no more |
| 04:37.52 | beder | and the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon |
| 04:38.11 | xthree | Little boy blue and the man on the moon |
| 04:38.24 | beder | :) |
| 04:38.28 | beder | great song |
| 04:38.38 | beder | tears me up everytime |
| 04:39.18 | toxicsgz | somiaj I cannot copy the text in the terminal |
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| 04:41.11 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 04:41.11 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 04:44.46 | toxicsgz | somiaj Done it ;) http://pastebin.com/pYDeJbMy |
| 04:44.52 | Delf | bytetracker: a few files |
| 04:45.21 | Delf | bytetracker: I'm not using homegroup. |
| 04:46.11 | somiaj | toxicsgz: what command did you type to get that output... |
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| 04:47.02 | bytetracker | Delf: you might not be but Windows7 is |
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| 04:47.26 | Delf | somiaj: I don't remember what you helped me with last time. But I forgot to say thanks. Thanks! |
| 04:47.53 | Delf | bytetracker: Those services are disabled. Also, it worked fine with squeeze. |
| 04:47.59 | toxicsgz | 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux -image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 04:48.32 | toxicsgz | somiaj 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux -image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64' |
| 04:49.08 | toxicsgz | somiaj here is the apt-cache output. |
| 04:49.17 | toxicsgz | :) in a minute |
| 04:49.35 | somiaj | toxicsgz: have no clue how you got that output from that command. also there is no space between the linux and the -image-... part |
| 04:49.57 | arinov_debian5 | hello |
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| 04:50.58 | somiaj | toxicsgz: I think you didn't paste the whol thing. Should try to include the command you type in your paste |
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| 04:51.58 | toxicsgz | OK. I will chase this up tomorrow, late here now. Thank you somiaj, I feel I am part the way there. |
| 04:52.48 | Delf | I'm off to bed too. Goodnight! |
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| 04:54.01 | cantido | Has anyone actually had SMART detect a disk failure? I have a disk that is making bagging sounds and the smart utils still say it's ok :/ |
| 04:54.20 | cantido | s/bagging/banging/ |
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| 04:55.09 | somiaj | cantido: I saw someone in here who smart was reporting failures. |
| 04:55.24 | metaspike | SMART can only detect certain elements associated with total, imminent disk failure when they occur. it's hardly fool proof |
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| 04:55.42 | cantido | metaspike: yeah, fare enough I guess |
| 04:55.59 | somiaj | cantido: though sometimes you need to run the self tests as opposed to just looking at the smart data |
| 04:56.20 | cantido | somiaj: yeah, I did short and long tests and there aren't any issues from what I can see |
| 04:57.58 | cantido | starts backing up |
| 04:58.43 | Na_Klar | Okay, that's it: Could someone please explain me why this tcp request got rejected althougth the iptables should allow it? http://codepad.org/LN7TpBBJ |
| 04:59.47 | cantido | Na_Klar: not really an answer.. but is there any reason you don't use something like firehol that makes iptables less of a jungle? |
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| 05:00.36 | Na_Klar | cantido: jungle? I do not think it is a jungle in any way ... sorry |
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| 05:00.45 | arinov_debian5 | where can i find debian 5 repositrory? |
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| 05:02.40 | cantido | arinov_debian5: lenny is on archive.debian... you should use squeeze |
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| 05:19.21 | bytetracker | archives.debian.org |
| 05:19.32 | bytetracker | didn't specifically look |
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| 05:20.06 | bytetracker | well gnight all. |
| 05:20.32 | taxman | except me |
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| 05:24.00 | cuphand | have we done the rtl8192cu driver yet today? |
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| 05:25.49 | cuphand | specifically the belkin n300 usb adapter |
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| 05:28.08 | cuphand | its the F7d2102 |
| 05:29.06 | cuphand | I am having problems installing it with Squeeze on an old armada m300 |
| 05:29.34 | cuphand | though it installed easioly on my presario desktop |
| 05:29.52 | cuphand | *bigger better) |
| 05:29.54 | cantido | armada m300.. thats some old p2 thing right? |
| 05:30.00 | cuphand | p3 |
| 05:30.07 | cuphand | 500 mhz |
| 05:30.31 | cantido | not that old then ;). What is the issue with the usb adapter? is it detected when you plug it in? |
| 05:32.18 | sharpk | if I get a "the following packages have unmet dependecies" using apt-get, is there a command to install all the depends? |
| 05:32.32 | somiaj | cuphand: did you install the non-free firmware? |
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| 05:33.45 | gnarface | sharpk: that's what apt-get does automatically. its telling you it tried and couldn't. something may be wrong with your package tree. it could be corrupted, or maybe your repo data is just out-of-date. when is the last time you had run apt-get update before this? |
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| 05:34.30 | gnarface | cuphand: doesn't that thing have a normal ethernet device you can use first? |
| 05:34.38 | sharpk | gnarface, just now, (i'm trying to install xbmc eden (v11) from debian-multimedia on squeeze, even though it's listed on the wheezy backport).... |
| 05:34.40 | cuphand | sorry ..power cord fell out |
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| 05:35.05 | cuphand | gnarface..yep but I want wireless |
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| 05:35.27 | cuphand | i'm on eth0 now |
| 05:35.49 | gnarface | cuphand: so you got a fully working squeeze install already, you're just trying to switch over? |
| 05:36.11 | raviks | #flood |
| 05:36.34 | somiaj | cuphand: did you install the non-free firmware? |
| 05:36.45 | gnarface | sharpk: aah... well. |
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| 05:37.10 | somiaj | cuphand: you might also need a newer kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 05:37.15 | gnarface | sharpk: sorry i don't know crap about debian-mm |
| 05:38.34 | cuphand | I have another wireless usb adapter with the rti8187 driver..ut its a long adapter that sticks out the back of the laptip and is pretty broken...I bought this Belkin N300 with thw F752102 dreiver...and it isnt,,,out of the box working...I tried compat as well as using the realtek download and |
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| 05:39.00 | sharpk | well, anyone here know how I'd install xbmc eden (for wheezy/sid) on squeeze? |
| 05:39.21 | gnarface | dpkg: tell sharpk about ssb |
| 05:39.52 | cuphand | somiaj: this squeeze is 2.6 something kernel wise I think |
| 05:40.36 | cuphand | If I upgrade I'll get the gnome 3 de wont I? |
| 05:40.53 | cuphand | the kernel |
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| 05:41.22 | cantido | cuphand: no, just get the kernel from backports |
| 05:41.31 | somiaj | cuphand: no, use squeeze-backports, just get a new kernel and firwmare |
| 05:41.32 | cuphand | I think I need to stick with gnome 2 on this old lapytop |
| 05:41.51 | somiaj | cuphand: the rest will be squeeze stable, so only the stuff for the wifi is added |
| 05:41.57 | somiaj | !tell cuphand -about squeeze-backports |
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| 05:42.12 | cuphand | i backported for..uh |
| 05:42.17 | cuphand | flash |
| 05:42.23 | streuner | a lightweighted window-manager would be better, IMO |
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| 05:42.44 | cantido | a 500mhz p3 isnt crazy slow.. |
| 05:42.58 | streuner | my 1.6 is slow |
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| 05:43.03 | streuner | Ghz* |
| 05:43.07 | cantido | streuner: atom? |
| 05:43.17 | cantido | 1.6ghz atom == p3 700mhz ;) |
| 05:43.18 | cuphand | its pretty crazy slow with..wmv and the like...forget live Youtube |
| 05:43.27 | streuner | celeron, with GNOME and firecrap almos a nightmare |
| 05:43.40 | cantido | cuphand: yeah, dont expect to decode h264 on that without hardware decoding |
| 05:43.43 | michael-i | Hi all. I'm looking for some correct terminology to lead me on my way. I'm trying to create a new debian package and cross compile it. Part of the compile must be native though, to generate helper bits for the rest. What logic in ./debian does this: rules? |
| 05:43.54 | cuphand | mines a copper something P3.. |
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| 05:44.13 | cuphand | 500 mhz and topped out ram at 320 |
| 05:44.49 | cantido | michael-i: is the package for another arch or just has cross-compiled stuff in it? |
| 05:44.49 | gnarface | cuphand: i salute you for keeping it alive :) |
| 05:45.10 | cuphand | Iused for 50 bucks in 2008 |
| 05:45.22 | cuphand | on fleabay |
| 05:45.25 | michael-i | cantido: the package is to be compiled for another arch |
| 05:45.36 | cantido | cuphand: thats not a really really low end machine, something like lxde would probably help though |
| 05:45.41 | streuner | sure, but 4 years for a laptop is like 50 for an human... |
| 05:45.43 | michael-i | part of that process though must be native to bootstrap things... |
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| 05:46.09 | cantido | michael-i: mmm I dont think debian really supports cross compiling packaging .. emdebian has some tools for it I think |
| 05:46.22 | cuphand | cantido...this machine has lost its pc card functionality |
| 05:46.45 | cuphand | I ahd a ton of pc wireles scards |
| 05:46.55 | michael-i | cantido: i have other packages (that I've created) working fine. just looking how to toggle host/dest during specific periods of the compile |
| 05:47.22 | streuner | cuphand, listen to cantido and install something like lxde, openbox etc. etc. |
| 05:47.29 | cantido | cuphand: I'm surprised the screen still works.. the screen cable died on all the laptops I had longer than a year or so |
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| 05:47.55 | cuphand | cantido m300? |
| 05:47.56 | cantido | michael-i: mmm don't you get vars like HOSTCC and TARGETCC passed in? |
| 05:48.04 | gnarface | cantido: that's cause you keep buying fucking apple products |
| 05:48.26 | cantido | cuphand: I had a compaq m300 something at one point, but that was a p2 |
| 05:48.39 | cantido | gnarface: only bought an apple machine once,.. |
| 05:48.44 | gnarface | cantido: i've got 3 old toshiba laptops here in fully functioning order that have outlasted every single mac made to date after the first titanium powerbook |
| 05:48.46 | michael-i | cantido: yes but I'd rather handle all of that at a higher level, use the hooks debian provides |
| 05:48.51 | metaspike | woah! lol |
| 05:49.06 | cuphand | squeeze is great on this with gnome2...Its the wireless device issue that plagues my point and click sensibilities |
| 05:49.45 | cantido | gnarface: I had a toshiba explode once.. |
| 05:50.02 | gnarface | cantido: these are well before the sony batteries that exploded |
| 05:50.03 | cantido | girlfriend poured orange juice over it |
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| 05:50.07 | gnarface | haha |
| 05:50.20 | gnarface | i've managed to keep these dry so far, luckily |
| 05:50.29 | cantido | my one and only mac book was killed by another girlfriend and some cider.. maybe its a curse |
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| 05:50.47 | gnarface | i think i can certainly say i got my money's worth out of them. |
| 05:51.15 | cantido | stole this laptop from a company he did some consulting for |
| 05:51.24 | cantido | free is always better :p |
| 05:51.27 | gnarface | hah |
| 05:51.48 | gnarface | there's a couple i used in my day i certainly wish i *had* stolen |
| 05:52.00 | gnarface | those old ibm thinkpads from before lenovo run debian great |
| 05:52.06 | gnarface | and are still really nice laptops |
| 05:52.09 | cantido | I want a laptop that doesnt have at least one issue with debian |
| 05:52.16 | cantido | this HP suspends randomly |
| 05:52.19 | gnarface | haha |
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| 05:53.05 | gnarface | my satellite pro 4105CDT has no issues with debian... |
| 05:53.30 | gnarface | and its still got enough horsepower to order pizza |
| 05:53.38 | cantido | nothing at all? it suspends properly etc? |
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| 05:53.45 | cuphand | gnarface ...how about satellite 105cs running win95 and xchat |
| 05:54.08 | gnarface | cuphand: hah i've got a 405cs or two... |
| 05:54.11 | streuner | hm, i have a satellite pro too, it works just fine - typical Linux issues... |
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| 05:54.22 | cuphand | and a compaq contura 20 mb ram runs xchat |
| 05:54.31 | streuner | nothing special about the distro |
| 05:54.54 | gnarface | cantido: yea works great, just kinda slow |
| 05:54.56 | cuphand | 405cs...gotta have at least 64 mb ram |
| 05:55.11 | cantido | 64mb of RAM isnt fun anymore |
| 05:55.24 | cantido | even with barely anything installed |
| 05:55.26 | cuphand | hasnt been for at least awek |
| 05:55.33 | cuphand | week |
| 05:55.43 | cuphand | (year) |
| 05:56.34 | cuphand | will I get the Belkin N300 adapter working without a kernel upgrade ? |
| 05:56.43 | cantido | Is there a light browser in debian anymore? I think dillo is gone :/ |
| 05:56.48 | gnarface | !belkin |
| 05:56.49 | dpkg | Belkin is a manufacturer of computer hardware. For wireless LAN adapter support, locate its model number, then ask me about <f5d6020>, <f5d6050>, <f5d6051>, <f5d7000>, <f5d7001>, <f5d7010>, <f5d7011>, <f5d7050>, <f5d7051>, <f5d8011>, <f5d8013>, <f5d8053>, <f5d8055>, <f5d9050>, <f6d4050>, <f7d1101>, <f7d1102>, <f7d2101> or <f7d2102>. For other models, ask me about <what's my wireless>. |
| 05:56.49 | cuphand | on the armada m300 |
| 05:57.13 | streuner | cuphand: USB? |
| 05:57.19 | cuphand | yep |
| 05:57.29 | cuphand | fd72102 |
| 05:58.14 | gnarface | !f7d2102 |
| 05:58.14 | dpkg | The Belkin F7D2102 "N300 Micro Wireless USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device. For support of version 3000 (USB ID 050d:2103, Realtek RTL8192CU chip), ask me about <rtl8192cu> and <f7d2102 new_id>. |
| 05:58.20 | cuphand | I set it up on my desktop using the compat-wireless download |
| 05:58.31 | cantido | this is like a dpkg based text adventure.. |
| 05:58.39 | gnarface | !rtl8192cu |
| 05:58.39 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 05:58.42 | innociv | Getting DDoS'd again. Seems to be different from the UDP floods before since I have UDP blocked entirely. What should I do to identify what sort of attack it is? I can't actually run tcpdump during an attack since I get locked out from ssh. |
| 05:58.44 | cuphand | yep the 8192cu |
| 05:59.11 | cantido | innociv: ask your ISP? |
| 05:59.16 | cuphand | i did the firmware |
| 05:59.30 | cuphand | as per dpkg |
| 05:59.30 | streuner | cuphand: did you read the factoid? |
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| 05:59.58 | streuner | ((rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39) |
| 06:00.04 | cuphand | yes streuner: |
| 06:00.14 | gnarface | cuphand: did you try module-assistant? |
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| 06:00.21 | gnarface | !realtek firmware |
| 06:00.23 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su> and <r8712u> drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for the RTL8111D(L) and RTL8105E Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. Firmware required by the <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> drivers are all packaged since firmware-realtek version 0.34. |
| 06:00.23 | streuner | so try a kernel of backports |
| 06:00.32 | cuphand | well then it should be out of the bow with the squeeze kernel |
| 06:00.39 | cuphand | box* |
| 06:01.02 | gnarface | i thought squeeze was 2.6.32 still? |
| 06:01.05 | streuner | nah, squeeze using 2.6.32 |
| 06:01.09 | streuner | sure |
| 06:01.36 | streuner | is searching for the backports kernel factoid... |
| 06:01.43 | cuphand | so.. |
| 06:01.52 | cantido | cuphand: what happens exactly? I don't think you said what the issue is yet |
| 06:03.01 | cuphand | while doing the make install withn the copat-wireoless download it stalls |
| 06:03.13 | cuphand | compat* |
| 06:03.27 | cantido | doesnt know what compat-wireless is :/ |
| 06:03.45 | streuner | gnarface: i think we confused cuphand with too many factoids now, he hasnt even the chance to read only 1 |
| 06:03.50 | cuphand | its a kernel refresh for wireless devices |
| 06:04.52 | cuphand | does dpkg know what copat-wireless is ? |
| 06:05.01 | cuphand | compat* |
| 06:05.08 | streuner | !listkeys copat-wireless |
| 06:05.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'copat-wireless' by key returned no results. |
| 06:05.18 | streuner | !listvals copat-wireless |
| 06:05.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'copat-wireless' by value returned no results. |
| 06:05.22 | cantido | cuphand: mmm I just googled it.. if the driver is in a newer kernel (which it seems to be) why not just install the newer kernel? |
| 06:05.47 | cantido | its not going to make anything slower or install gnome 3 ;) |
| 06:05.57 | cuphand | This is a Linux wireless compatibility package which provides the latest |
| 06:05.57 | cuphand | Linux wireless subsystem enhancements for kernels 2.6.24 and above. |
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| 06:06.31 | cuphand | cantido: ok |
| 06:07.06 | streuner | cuphand, /msg dpkg bpo kernel (for details) |
| 06:07.22 | cuphand | here? |
| 06:07.28 | streuner | and please READ it, yes |
| 06:07.37 | cuphand | ok...ty |
| 06:07.39 | streuner | /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 06:07.47 | CGC002 | cantido: In regards to your earlier question about which browser to use on that machine, you might want to give links2 a try, although it may not be as user-friendly as dillo |
| 06:08.23 | cantido | CGC002: is it a graphical browser? |
| 06:08.41 | CGC002 | cantido if you run links2 -g, then yes |
| 06:08.55 | cantido | mm I'll take a lookie later then :) |
| 06:09.07 | cantido | has too many old shit computers |
| 06:09.48 | cuphand | squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 06:09.57 | cuphand | what is that? |
| 06:10.11 | cantido | magic |
| 06:10.42 | cuphand | ok...that explains it |
| 06:11.02 | cuphand | II was worried there for a sec |
| 06:11.44 | cuphand | the bpo kernel explanation ...is a little beyond me |
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| 06:12.42 | Diopter | It's not too magical. |
| 06:12.55 | streuner | cuphand: <bpo> is a factoid in terms of dpkg, just /msg dpkg bpo |
| 06:13.07 | Diopter | Though they did decide to not use /'s for separators, which makes it look a little more alien |
| 06:13.57 | cantido | Diopter: it's just extracting the machine type from the running kernel isnt it? |
| 06:14.09 | Diopter | Just says to eat text which has some non-hyphens, then a hyphen, then some non-hyphens, then a hyphen |
| 06:14.16 | Diopter | So yes, it grabs the machine type :) |
| 06:14.22 | cuphand | streuner: I read it...and still need an explanation of installing a backport to the newer kernel in the aptiude packmager I guess huh? |
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| 06:14.46 | streuner | cuphand: you need to read the instructions |
| 06:15.10 | Diopter | You could significantly simplify the regex, though |
| 06:15.22 | streuner | cuphand: <bpo> mention a URL about... |
| 06:15.28 | Diopter | Since most regexes are greedy by default, you can just s/.*-// |
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| 06:15.35 | Diopter | And it will eat up until the last hyphen. |
| 06:16.22 | cantido | Diopter: uname has a machine type option too.. but it gives x86_64 on amd64 :/ |
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| 06:16.23 | cuphand | streuner...no url mentioned...have a read |
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| 06:16.46 | streuner | cuphand: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 06:17.41 | Diopter | cantido: That's because an amd64 instruction set is a x86_64 machine type ;P |
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| 06:19.59 | cantido | Diopter: yeah, it give me the complete arm arch version on an arm machine. oh well |
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| 06:20.25 | cantido | s/give/gives/ |
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| 06:22.38 | sharpk | tried the apt-get -b thing, not sure if I'm doing it wrong (child process failed), but has anyone successfuly installed xbmc 11 (eden) on squeeze? |
| 06:22.48 | sharpk | from debian-multimedia? |
| 06:23.23 | cantido | is the debian mm repo for squeeze? |
| 06:23.31 | cantido | maybe it needs backports too |
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| 06:24.35 | sharpk | well, I'm trying to install the xbmc package from the wheezy section, because the squeeze one is still xbmc 10.5... |
| 06:24.42 | sharpk | wanted to upgrade to 11 cause 10 is a bit buggy |
| 06:24.55 | Diopter | sharpk: Why are you using -b? Are you getting the source package for some reason? |
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| 06:25.07 | cantido | sharpk: the wheezy repo is going to depend on stuff that is in wheezy |
| 06:25.11 | sharpk | diopter some in the chat "dpkg"'d me about it... |
| 06:25.18 | cantido | sharpk: hence it cant find the packages it depends on.. |
| 06:25.22 | sharpk | cantido, can those dependecies not be installed? |
| 06:25.27 | sharpk | on squeeze? |
| 06:25.45 | cantido | sharpk: if there isnt a squeeze backport.. you might have more luck building it from source |
| 06:26.01 | Diopter | Comes down to what it depends on. |
| 06:26.17 | Diopter | The list is quite long for xbmc-bin |
| 06:26.22 | sharpk | sorry for my ignornace (really new to this) but building it from source implies what exactly? (dpkg -i), or what? |
| 06:26.32 | cantido | sharpk: when I used to run xbmc I used to just compile it from git or whatever because the release versions were always buggy |
| 06:26.48 | Diopter | Implies getting the source package, or a copy of the source from version control or right from their site |
| 06:27.06 | Diopter | Source package is the easiest since there's significant tooling to end up with a Debian package |
| 06:27.12 | cantido | sharpk: download the source, install the -dev packages it needs and compile it.. the reason only an older version is available for squeeze might be that it needs a ton of newer packages though |
| 06:27.12 | sharpk | I'd be happy to do that but my novice in all this prevents it... |
| 06:27.14 | sharpk | how would I go about that? |
| 06:27.19 | sharpk | specfically for xbmc 11? |
| 06:27.56 | sharpk | cantido, is there a way to get all those dependent packages at once, automatically? |
| 06:28.03 | sharpk | or would I have to install them one by one? |
| 06:28.07 | sharpk | and which packages, at that? |
| 06:28.09 | cantido | sharpk: is this going to be a media centre? you might be better off just installing testing |
| 06:28.37 | sharpk | cantido, maybe, I know that I need a 3.2 kernel (which is what i have now on squeeze), is wheezy @ 3.2? |
| 06:28.50 | cantido | wheezy is 3.2 yes |
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| 06:29.30 | sharpk | hmm, I guess I was foolish to install squeeze to begin with, took 5 days of troubleshooting jus to get audio over HDMI working (after upgrading to 3.2 kernel)... |
| 06:29.49 | sharpk | I guess the "testing" portion of the name threw me off, thought it might be dangerous for someone unexperienced like me... |
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| 06:30.19 | cantido | sharpk: well there is that.. but if its just a media centre stuck under a tv I dont see the problem |
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| 06:30.49 | cantido | if it's running my bank account.. no, dont install testing, unless it can randomly add money |
| 06:30.53 | sharpk | well, I'd see it'd function mainly as a media center but also as a medium for me to learn linux through, day by day... |
| 06:31.21 | Diopter | Testing is less stable than stable. Unsurprisingly. But that difference in stability isn't likely something you'll run into often if you're not taxing a machine with a lot of interdependent software running 24/7/365 |
| 06:31.27 | innociv | My ISP is Amazon AWS so I'm not syked about what going of response I'll get if any with their free support |
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| 06:31.53 | Diopter | innociv: Should switch to Rackspace :P |
| 06:32.11 | sharpk | OK, cool. this may be silly, but is there a way to just upgrade to wheezy without a reinstall? |
| 06:32.19 | Diopter | sharpk: Indeed there is! |
| 06:32.21 | innociv | eh |
| 06:32.27 | cantido | well, if you're already running linux 3.2 from backports, you basically have the most dangerous part of testing |
| 06:32.35 | innociv | I hear rackspace deals with ddos attacks poorly too |
| 06:32.49 | Diopter | sharpk: Update your /etc/apt/sources.list appropriately to point to wheezy, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:32.53 | cantido | packages might break from time to time.. so don't upgrade everything all the time |
| 06:33.04 | cantido | innociv: why are you getting ddos'ed? |
| 06:33.12 | Diopter | innociv: What do you mean by "poorly"? A DDoS can't be "dealt" with well by anyone, under any circumstance, period. |
| 06:33.40 | cantido | Diopter: unless the isp will sink the traffic for you.. you can't really stop it though |
| 06:33.44 | Diopter | Also, full disclosure, I'm a cloud deployment engineer at Rackspace, and I deal with datacenter and Linux networking every day. |
| 06:33.44 | innociv | I think because I have a better site than this other guy. |
| 06:34.00 | cantido | Diopter: can you move my slicehost slice? ;p |
| 06:34.05 | Diopter | So my opinions while colored perhaps, are valid I'd say ;P |
| 06:34.10 | Diopter | cantido: I can find someone who can! |
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| 06:34.36 | cantido | wants the more memory for less dosh! |
| 06:34.43 | sharpk | diopter, thanks, had to -f in the apt-get, but it's going now..... |
| 06:34.52 | Diopter | cantido: And yeah, we advertise null-routes to the 13 providers (ISPs) we have when there's a DDoS that doesn't die down. |
| 06:34.55 | innociv | Diopter, well obviously I can't just let myself get ddos'd either. :( Anyway amazon doesn't charge for incoming bandwidth so as long as the ddos doesn't make my cpu go nuts, or send data back, i'm good with amazon i'd think |
| 06:34.58 | Diopter | Upstream suppression ftw |
| 06:35.07 | innociv | Before the attacks were UDP floods. They seemed to change tactics.. |
| 06:35.19 | Diopter | innociv: With RS's "Cloud Servers", which is the direct competitor to AWS, you also don't get charged for incoming bandwidth. |
| 06:35.25 | Diopter | It's free with no caps or limits :) |
| 06:35.26 | cantido | innociv: if you know who it is.. why not report them to their isp? |
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| 06:35.43 | innociv | I don't have proof. The attacks aren't coming from their server, seems to be a botnet. |
| 06:35.43 | Diopter | Not trying to convince you to switch, just clarifying |
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| 06:36.42 | innociv | I wish the networks, you know, blocked all traffic from botnets so this stuff didn't happen. Eventually effected computers wouldn't be able to access any other computer |
| 06:36.55 | cantido | innociv: how do you know what traffic is from a botnet? |
| 06:37.02 | r4co0n | Hello. I need to manually migrate my vserver from lenny to squeeze. Can you recommend some manuals and howtos, I may want to improve some things while I'm at it. Server is running: ssh2 apache2 php mysql exim4 dovecot roundcube perl, atm |
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| 06:37.24 | Diopter | innociv: So these DDoSes... are you actually getting your connection saturated? Or is it just a bunch of valid requests or SYN floods or similar that are blowing up Apache/etc? |
| 06:37.37 | cantido | r4co0n: do you mean the host machine, or an environment inside vserver? |
| 06:37.49 | cantido | isnt sure vserver is still in debian.. |
| 06:37.52 | innociv | Before it was just connection saturated, but now I'm seeing cpu getting used up too |
| 06:37.57 | cantido | I thought it was getting phased out |
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| 06:38.13 | cantido | innociv: you're using iptables to block the packets right? |
| 06:38.15 | Diopter | innociv: If your interface isn't getting saturated, you can just do your own filtering. |
| 06:38.36 | samantha-r-- | does the netinst kernel not speak wpa? it asks only for a wep key ... my wlan isn't wep. |
| 06:38.49 | Diopter | Plenty of DDoS blocking tools, or even some simple scripting to identify things like SYN floods and collect the source IPs into summarized blocks |
| 06:38.50 | innociv | cantido, i have no iptables setup at the moment as amazon AWS has their firewall. |
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| 06:39.11 | innociv | On their firewall i'm just allowing ssh, 80, 3306, 8080 |
| 06:39.21 | Diopter | innociv: That doesn't help you if the ports are open, which they surely will be |
| 06:39.33 | Diopter | Oi, 3306? Do you really need to hit mysql directly over the intarwebs? |
| 06:39.42 | innociv | Yeah i jsut removed that. |
| 06:39.44 | innociv | It was on by default |
| 06:39.45 | cantido | innociv: are they hitting applications on those ports? |
| 06:40.00 | innociv | not sure, cantido. That's the thing is that I'm not seeing a way to look. |
| 06:40.07 | innociv | When/if I can get back in, I can look at lighttpd access log |
| 06:40.08 | cantido | innociv: tcpdump? |
| 06:40.10 | Diopter | netstat -ntp? |
| 06:40.16 | innociv | Can't tcpdump because I can't even get into ssh |
| 06:40.26 | cantido | innociv: does AWS not have a console? |
| 06:40.32 | Diopter | Oh, it's actually denying you service currently :P |
| 06:40.38 | innociv | Yeah. |
| 06:40.41 | Diopter | Guessing your system load is fun |
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| 06:40.53 | innociv | cantido, it does. I'm just not seeing a place where I can view the incoming traffic |
| 06:41.02 | innociv | I see where it says it's 80mb/sec, but no detail on packets |
| 06:41.07 | Diopter | Is that it? |
| 06:41.10 | cantido | innociv: they dont have a console where you can get a shell? |
| 06:41.13 | Diopter | Man. |
| 06:41.31 | cantido | innociv: i.e. other providers allow you get a console via xen or whatever, so you can get access without network |
| 06:41.39 | innociv | Yes let me try that again |
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| 06:41.56 | yctn | hi |
| 06:42.17 | cantido | or if the fw allows just block everything from anywhere except your ip |
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| 06:42.46 | yctn | my mailserver try's to send this message every 20 minits. why is that? and how should i stop it :http://pastebin.com/PP7qrKsP |
| 06:42.56 | innociv | access log looks normal to me |
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| 06:43.50 | cantido | yctn: looks like you have a cronjob that is generating output |
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| 06:44.21 | gonzoism | I somehow got aptitude to delete every package I have installed. I think I should/could have ran "aptitude keep-all" anytime prior to keep this from happening. is there any way to undo? |
| 06:44.29 | cantido | yctn: maybe a package that needs to be purged because it still has a cron snippet in /etc/.. |
| 06:44.44 | yctn | how should i do that |
| 06:45.04 | yctn | or how can i find out which package that is because i'm sure that in my /etc/crontab i dont have anything |
| 06:45.08 | yctn | that might cause this |
| 06:45.26 | cantido | yctn: is there anything in hourly etc? |
| 06:45.44 | yctn | 7 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 06:45.51 | yctn | that i have in my /etc/crontab |
| 06:46.13 | gonzoism | yctn: cat /etc/cron* | less |
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| 06:46.17 | cantido | there might be a snippet in the /etc/cron.* dirs |
| 06:46.20 | gonzoism | yctn: see anything in there you don't like? |
| 06:46.42 | gonzoism | yctn or: cat /etc/cron*/* | less |
| 06:47.04 | yctn | http://pastebin.com/1RXMCZne |
| 06:47.12 | yctn | dont see anything that might cause this |
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| 06:47.24 | gonzoism | cantido: sorry for interrupting. i didn't think before I typed. |
| 06:47.31 | innociv | Argh |
| 06:47.45 | cantido | gonzoism: no problem :) |
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| 06:47.57 | innociv | I saw something that looked important. Said "SYN SENT" or something in netstat -ntp |
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| 06:48.07 | innociv | but the stupid console closed when I changed tabs or something |
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| 06:48.41 | Diopter | innociv: It's likely a syn flood, yes |
| 06:49.10 | innociv | New to me, I'm looking. |
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| 06:50.07 | innociv | Is there anything simple you can suggest or is there just a lot I need to read up on? |
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| 06:50.23 | yctn | hmm |
| 06:50.31 | cantido | can't do anything on the interwebs these without get ddos'ed these days.. <sigh> |
| 06:50.33 | Diopter | Bit of both, actually |
| 06:50.38 | cantido | s/these// |
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| 06:50.45 | innociv | cantido, yeah. ;( Lol. |
| 06:51.07 | Diopter | There's a few scripty bits folks have thrown together that will count the SYN_* states in netstat and give you lists of connection count by source IP |
| 06:51.17 | samantha-r-- | not liking having this hot laptop on my thighs because it won't do wpa for wireless install. should bitch in bts. |
| 06:51.21 | Diopter | Which you can then convert into iptables rules to drop the traffic |
| 06:51.35 | cantido | samantha-r--: did you try the WPA key in the same field? |
| 06:52.02 | innociv | You mean there is a debian package that'll automatically detect and add the sources to iptables to block them? |
| 06:52.03 | samantha-r-- | cantido: yes. it complains that it's not a valid wep key :) |
| 06:52.18 | Diopter | innociv: That's not what I meant, no. But hey, there might be :P |
| 06:52.32 | innociv | Oh. What then, is there a name to look for? |
| 06:52.36 | cantido | samantha-r--: was worth a try ;) not sure why having to use wired means you have to have the laptop on your lap though |
| 06:53.08 | cantido | innociv: you could probably do something with fail2ban |
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| 06:53.41 | yctn | anyone an idea ? |
| 06:53.50 | samantha-r-- | candito: physical layout of the space. the switch is buried in a corner out of the way behind the big desktop. all i have are 6' cat6 cables. so it either sits on my lap or it kinda hangs in the air, given the location of the power. |
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| 06:54.24 | gonzoism | i am so irritated off at aptitude right now. it just wiped every change i have ever made to my system. i suggest everyone run the command "aptitude keep-all" if you are happy with your system right now. |
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| 08:18.21 | innociv | Oh yes that looks right. |
| 08:18.23 | Diopter | Throw that IP in the accept rule I gave you at the top of the chain, try the rules back in... |
| 08:18.37 | Diopter | The default route won't change and isn't resolved over DNS, so you should be fine there. |
| 08:19.46 | innociv | But there is still a problem that that IP changes. |
| 08:19.46 | innociv | Oh? |
| 08:19.46 | Diopter | Does your webserver get its IP(s) from DHCP? |
| 08:19.46 | Diopter | If not, then the default route doesn't change. |
| 08:19.46 | innociv | Oh. I see the problem |
| 08:19.46 | innociv | it sees only that IP as the source connection |
| 08:19.46 | innociv | This won't work. |
| 08:19.46 | Diopter | Oh? Your load-balancers are SNAT'ing. hah |
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| 08:19.46 | Diopter | Using X-Forwarded-For |
| 08:19.52 | Diopter | Not just passing traffic through. |
| 08:19.58 | Diopter | So, nope, it won't work that way :P |
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| 08:20.16 | innociv | yeah it was seeing that same ip from every request, which is a TON of requests. |
| 08:20.20 | Diopter | nod |
| 08:20.22 | innociv | Seeing the load balancer ip, or something |
| 08:20.37 | innociv | Erm, so is there a way to modify that rule or is it all no good? |
| 08:20.40 | Diopter | So... you're going to need to do something fun like run an ngrep or tcpdump looking for X-Forwarded-For |
| 08:20.59 | Diopter | And trying to correlate it with active connections |
| 08:21.00 | innociv | You mean manually with each attack? |
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| 08:21.08 | Diopter | More like continuous :P |
| 08:21.24 | innociv | So something that keeps checking and banning ips. |
| 08:21.30 | Diopter | Mmhmm... |
| 08:21.39 | innociv | Not iptables itself, but it adds the iptable ban rule. |
| 08:21.42 | Diopter | Or, potentially, you could screw with the SYN timeouts |
| 08:21.49 | Diopter | And connection recycling |
| 08:22.05 | Diopter | (sysfs/sysctl values) |
| 08:22.22 | Sevet | can you put the iptables rule on the load balancer instead? |
| 08:22.26 | Diopter | Do you have syncookies enabled, out of curiosity? |
| 08:22.27 | innociv | Yeah I wish I could remember that daemon name. Though I wonder if it'd mistakenly block the load balancer too, now. |
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| 08:22.36 | innociv | sevet, good question. The rules look very simple |
| 08:22.54 | Diopter | My assumption is the LBs are owned by Amazon |
| 08:23.06 | innociv | yes |
| 08:23.10 | Diopter | So... syncookies? |
| 08:23.14 | Sevet | right, probably not then |
| 08:23.19 | innociv | It only has port(range) and source. |
| 08:23.27 | innociv | in their external firewall. |
| 08:23.42 | Sevet | ah the cloud. fixes some problems. creates new ones. :) |
| 08:23.50 | innociv | mhm |
| 08:24.09 | Diopter | It's a barrel of fun, let me tell you. |
| 08:24.38 | Diopter | innociv: sysctl -q net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies |
| 08:24.44 | Diopter | = 1 or 0? |
| 08:24.58 | innociv | 1 |
| 08:25.05 | Diopter | k |
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| 08:27.42 | yctn | helllo guys. my debian server try's to send this email Report from /etc/init.d/mpt-statusd on freegamehosting.nl |
| 08:27.45 | Diopter | Welp, bedtime. Your problem is a very interesting one, I'll have to think about how to grep out information appropriately. Maybe the approach would be to have the web server pipe out x-forwarded-for header info to some processor... |
| 08:27.48 | yctn | how can i stop this ? |
| 08:28.04 | innociv | Thanks for what you've done so far. |
| 08:28.11 | Diopter | Or to put a lightweight proxy in front of the real daemon, to eat the headers |
| 08:28.11 | innociv | I do think there might be specific stuff on amazons forum for this. |
| 08:28.25 | Diopter | Could be! |
| 08:28.30 | Diopter | Anyhow, 'night |
| 08:28.34 | innociv | they do make it so servers can communicate privately with another. |
| 08:28.45 | innociv | So that's an option if their micro server can handle it, which is like a light processor and 600mb of ram |
| 08:28.47 | yctn | can i savely remove mpt-statusd? |
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| 08:30.17 | yctn | can i savely remove mpt-statusd? |
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| 08:36.06 | ws2k3 | anyone? |
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| 08:36.39 | tremon | yctn: you can if you have backups |
| 08:36.45 | sharpk | sweet potatoes! the wheezy GUI is so much smoother/better... good stuff |
| 08:37.11 | ws2k3 | how u mean ? |
| 08:37.35 | ws2k3 | i'm asking because the last time i did remove that package my server was unable to boot again |
| 08:37.49 | ws2k3 | or maby i can configure it that it dont send emails |
| 08:38.33 | tremon | ws2k3: there's no such package in Debian. If you want to know what happens if you remove it, make a backup and do it |
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| 08:38.49 | tremon | ws2k3: and it seems you've already answered your question |
| 08:39.04 | ws2k3 | well on the internet i see i can savely remove the package |
| 08:39.18 | ws2k3 | but i wanted to verify here becauset the last time i did my machine didnt boot anymore |
| 08:39.27 | ws2k3 | and yeah there is such a package in debian |
| 08:40.38 | tremon | ,info mpt-status |
| 08:40.39 | judd | Package mpt-status (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: get RAID status out of mpt (and other) HW RAID controllers. Version: 1.2.0-7; Size: 26.3k; Installed: 124k |
| 08:41.02 | ws2k3 | http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/report-init-mpt-statusd-help-201845632.html |
| 08:41.14 | ws2k3 | here thay saying i can savely remove it but i just want to make sure |
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| 08:44.38 | innociv | https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=334387񑨳 Well I did find this. |
| 08:46.20 | tremon | slightly o/t: anyone happen to have a patch/extension for iceweasel to kill that insidious "untrusted certificate" nonsense? I want untrusted pages to just load as plain http sites, not have to fight iceweasel for it |
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| 09:33.30 | Rydekull | any debian-ppc(or rather, yaboot) guru around? :-P |
| 09:34.00 | Rydekull | http://pastebin.com/8h0mK7Ui |
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| 09:48.31 | r4co0n | I followed these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9#Bind_Chroot to run bind9 chrooted on my system. But when trying to restart bind9, i get this error in syslog: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f36d0fc6/ As a note, I changed the suggested directory for the chroot to /var/chroot/bind9 as opposed to /var/bind9/chroot |
| 09:49.26 | r4co0n | any idea what went wrong? |
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| 09:51.32 | Ix-Xitan | find where is ur named.conf' |
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| 10:01.42 | r4co0n | Ix-Xitan, what would be an appropriate command to achieve that? I tried "find / named.conf" and got too much output, I added -P to avoid symbolic links and piped it to "grep named.conf", so resulting command is "find / named.conf | grep named.conf". Dont know if this is non-sense... |
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| 10:01.51 | nettezzz | servus |
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| 10:02.24 | nettezzz | how can I do with medieveal dpkg|apt-* what does in rpm system ``rpm -qa --last'' ? |
| 10:02.25 | r4co0n | result is "find -P / named.conf | grep named.conf |
| 10:02.30 | mogaj | While installing gimp from software center am getting this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/917161/ My OS ubuntu 11.10 |
| 10:02.30 | r4co0n | " |
| 10:02.51 | nettezzz | thanks |
| 10:04.00 | dalkor | ok postfix/dovecot installed... Any suggestions on web clients? All I've ever used is Horde. |
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| 10:04.26 | themill | nettezzz: leave the insults out of it if you want help (and probably you won't find anyone here who agrees with your assessment). You'll also need to explain what that command actually does. |
| 10:04.35 | themill | mogaj: you want #ubuntu |
| 10:04.45 | mogaj | ok |
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| 10:06.21 | innociv | I'm getting FIN_WAIT2 flooding DDoS'ing my server |
| 10:06.32 | cbmuser | anyone having problems with gnome-shell in testing? |
| 10:06.44 | cbmuser | I'm having *exactly* this issue now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646215 |
| 10:06.58 | cbmuser | I was just replying to this bug realizing it has been archived already |
| 10:07.01 | irctoo | cbmuser, don't have any problem with gnome-shell is not possible :) |
| 10:07.05 | r4co0n | find found /var/lib/named/etc/bind/named.conf |
| 10:07.41 | cbmuser | irctoo: people are too fast closing bug reports |
| 10:08.12 | r4co0n | dalkor, maybe have a look at roundcube |
| 10:09.27 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/mWcznqpF similar ip blocks that aren't legitimate users |
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| 10:12.10 | nettezzz | themill: servus dude: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/76103639 .. this command list the all changes by date in rpm database, so you are able to trace when you have upgraded|installed your packages |
| 10:12.57 | r4co0n | Ix-Xitan, "find -P / named.conf | grep named.conf" found named.conf at /varlib/named/etc/bind/named.conf |
| 10:13.15 | r4co0n | Ix-Xitan, /var/lib* |
| 10:13.34 | nettezzz | themill: ps. sorry man, but how can you that firmly reject what i have said about dpkg|apt when it's obvious, that you don't even know a rpm basics :D |
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| 10:14.12 | calculon | exit |
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| 10:14.31 | themill | nettezzz: that's hardly "basics" and I've done my best to forget the pain of using that crap for years. |
| 10:14.35 | themill | nettezzz: /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:15.28 | irctoo | oh no !!!! you want read log !!!! |
| 10:15.46 | nettezzz | okay themill .. thanks, pushing forward |
| 10:15.52 | irctoo | they are no parser with GTK GUI ? :) |
| 10:17.13 | bunny69 | is there a tool for debian that will allow creating fake idents? |
| 10:17.37 | bunny69 | there used to be one 10 years ago... can't recall |
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| 10:18.04 | bunny69 | there was a config where one would put a real acc name and fake one |
| 10:18.19 | themill | nettezzz: http://paste.debian.net/162281/ may also be of interest if you want to parse the log file |
| 10:19.23 | nettezzz | themill: excellent !!! i started writing something like that minute ago :D |
| 10:20.02 | r4co0n | Sorry for repost, but I followed these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9#Bind_Chroot to run bind9 chrooted on my squeeze system. But when trying to restart bind9, i get this error in syslog: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f36d0fc6/ As a note, I changed the suggested directory for the chroot to /var/chroot/bind9 as opposed to /var/bind9/chroot . Someone asked where my named.conf is situated, the original resides at /var/lib/named |
| 10:20.02 | r4co0n | /etc/bind/named.conf, the path mentioned in the paste "/etc/bind/named.conf" is valid though, in the chroot and globally. |
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| 10:20.21 | calculon | testmessage |
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| 10:21.16 | eugenmayer | hello, when writing deb packages, i seem to be not able to trigger on "reconfigure" in postinst … at least debconf is never called. Can anybody give me a hint? |
| 10:22.20 | nettezzz | themill: thanks again .. JFYI, we have hundred of customers and thousands of deployed linuxes, but this one (and maybe 2-3 others - i'd say 2% of enterprise customers) extorted us to use debian instead of rhel|sle .. if there's real demand to not pay for license we're using centos or fedora|suse |
| 10:23.57 | eugenmayer | nettezzz: i think thats reasonable. The commercial support and warranty is just a very strong argument for custeroms in the enterprise |
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| 10:24.15 | latmen | ciao |
| 10:24.22 | latmen | !lista |
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| 10:24.42 | justinas | Good morning. |
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| 10:24.50 | themill | latmen: no warez here |
| 10:24.53 | justinas | symbol __get_cpu_features, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 10:25.03 | justinas | WTF is that!? |
| 10:25.40 | nettezzz | eugenmayer: but useless these days when linux is just turning to class common technology and there are 10 times more smart young fools dealing with it on good practise level |
| 10:26.07 | nettezzz | ^^ compared to 10 years ago |
| 10:26.14 | themill | eugenmayer: you'll note that http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts doesn't include a "reconfigure" stage |
| 10:26.15 | justinas | True, true. |
| 10:26.52 | eugenmayer | themill: interesting.. |
| 10:27.00 | themill | eugenmayer: also, debconf prompting should be in the "config" script not the "postinst" script. |
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| 10:27.23 | eugenmayer | there is a config script? |
| 10:27.26 | cantido | nettezzz: lots of people knowing how to just about login to ssh doesnt make support contracts etc any less worthwhile.. otherwise Redhat would have gone out of business by now |
| 10:27.32 | themill | eugenmayer: if you make one, yes :) |
| 10:27.35 | eugenmayer | themill: well i seem to do it all wrong, holy |
| 10:27.41 | eugenmayer | themill++ |
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| 10:28.42 | themill | eugenmayer: the debconf-devel(7) and debconf(7) documentation is quite good, plus take a look at what other (relatively simple) packages are doing. |
| 10:29.04 | cuphand | when upgrading the kernel from backports are the headers included or do I need to care ? |
| 10:29.29 | eugenmayer | themill: in the graph, iam not sure when config is exectuted. i guess befor "post install", right? |
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| 10:30.40 | Starman83 | hi |
| 10:30.46 | cuphand | I'm upgrading to get the rtl8192cu driver to work |
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| 10:30.55 | Starman83 | quick question: What starts dhclient during the boot process? |
| 10:30.58 | Starman83 | I can't find it in init.d |
| 10:31.14 | Starman83 | nor in if-up.d |
| 10:31.39 | themill | Starman83: /etc/network/interfaces normally |
| 10:31.54 | themill | eugenmayer: actually, (if possible) all the config scripts are executed right after the packages are downloaded. That's why you get a pile of debconf prompts in one hit and then it goes off to do the preinst/unpack/postinst phases of each dependency cycle |
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| 10:32.07 | Starman83 | themill: this is just a config fire |
| 10:32.26 | eugenmayer | themill: thats import for me, as i need debconf values in postinst |
| 10:32.26 | Starman83 | I'd like to know how to restart dhclient and reload its configuration |
| 10:32.50 | themill | Starman83: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 10:32.58 | Starman83 | oh i see |
| 10:32.59 | Starman83 | thanks |
| 10:33.17 | Starman83 | Is there a way to do it in one call? cause I'm on a ssh terminal? |
| 10:33.29 | eugenmayer | themill: so basically DEBIAN/config ? where can i find a barebone for that..seem to miss that |
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| 10:34.20 | eugenmayer | themill: ah! there is no barebone. its a script only, no params. |
| 10:34.40 | themill | eugenmayer: well, it's debian/config in the source package (I presume you're using a tool like debhelper to do this). |
| 10:35.17 | Starman83 | I have added a supersede statement to my dhclient.conf. Why won't this be used? |
| 10:36.12 | Starman83 | supersede nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:37.13 | eugenmayer | themill: thank you a lot. but still, iam not sure what happens on dpke-reconfigure |
| 10:37.19 | themill | Starman83: I believe it should be «supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;» I'm not aware of any synonyms for "domain-name-servers" |
| 10:37.33 | eugenmayer | themill: "upgrade" ? |
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| 10:37.36 | Starman83 | Oh i see |
| 10:38.17 | themill | eugenmayer: debconf-devel(7) covers this explicitly |
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| 10:38.37 | Starman83 | How is it that my ssh connection will be preserved despite of triggering ifdown/ifup. This is magic |
| 10:39.01 | Starman83 | Nope. resolv.conf still reads the old dns server (which has not been superseded) |
| 10:40.05 | Starman83 | hey, it worked |
| 10:40.09 | Starman83 | I missed a semicolon |
| 10:40.13 | Starman83 | Thanks the mill. You are the best! |
| 10:40.18 | Starman83 | (themill) |
| 10:40.19 | eugenmayer | themill++ |
| 10:40.29 | themill | \o/ |
| 10:40.32 | eugenmayer | promotes themill to "hero" |
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| 10:40.47 | Starman83 | just fyi: option that worked is "supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4;" |
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| 10:41.48 | forgotten_hero | asf |
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| 10:43.36 | cuphand | how bout the Ralink RT370 usb wireless adapter out of the box in kernel 3.2 ? |
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| 10:49.38 | eugenmayer | themill: http://pastebin.de/raw/?id=24982 |
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| 10:50.10 | eugenmayer | reading this, i imagine that i complely failed before. I actually inversed anything best-practice suggested :) |
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| 10:50.20 | Starman83 | cya guys, thanks for the help |
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| 10:52.03 | eugenmayer | themill: nevertheless, on reconfigure config is run, i get asked, but postinst:configure seems to be not executed (or with the "old" values). If i rerun configure, debconf has the new value as default, so it has been saved |
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| 10:58.24 | haotian | Linux-net-tools and Linux-route2 any of them relevant with debian ? |
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| 11:12.29 | np_complete | hi |
| 11:12.38 | haotian | modprobe ipv6 |
| 11:12.38 | haotian | ip tunnel add |
| 11:12.57 | haotian | the above ? or the below one ? |
| 11:12.59 | ElliotGao | hi |
| 11:12.59 | haotian | ifconfig sit0 up |
| 11:12.59 | haotian | ifconfig sit0 inet6 tunnel |
| 11:13.18 | np_complete | I installed squeeze, then updraded to wheezy. but kernel 3.2 needs acpi=off to boot up, and will only detect 4 cores, instead of 8 (i got an i7). |
| 11:13.21 | haotian | which one for debian squeeze |
| 11:14.24 | np_complete | previously (few months ago), I did pretty much the same and all went fine, but yesterday installing the CUDA SDK, it FUCKED my system! like removed /usr/bin, and weird stuff, so I had to reinst again. |
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| 11:17.11 | vdonnef | Hi, I try to install the second stage on my ARM target but I have the following message :Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:17.11 | vdonnef | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.39 | z|2 | Is there a way to manually uncompress .deb-s with zlib? |
| 11:18.51 | z|2 | or to uncompress .a or .so files directly with zlib? |
| 11:19.15 | z|2 | what about zlib-flate? |
| 11:19.39 | themill | you might want to look at the file formats |
| 11:19.44 | z|2 | or the python or perl functions of zlib |
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| 11:19.58 | z|2 | ar file format? |
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| 11:21.57 | daemonkeeper | z|2: Debian binary packages are already compressed. |
| 11:22.38 | z|2 | daemonkeeper: is there a way to just download a .deb until I can uncompress the config section? |
| 11:22.53 | daemonkeeper | the "config section2? |
| 11:22.59 | z|2 | yes |
| 11:23.00 | daemonkeeper | s/2/"/ |
| 11:23.09 | daemonkeeper | What's that? The control file? |
| 11:23.18 | z|2 | daemonkeeper: yes |
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| 11:23.29 | haotian | question: http://ideone.com/Oxtzt |
| 11:23.38 | z|2 | what If I just need the control section of a .deb |
| 11:23.49 | z|2 | and don`t want to download all of the file? |
| 11:24.04 | z|2 | would that be possible? |
| 11:24.15 | themill | z|2: what are you really trying to do? (Other than ask many disconnected, vague questions) |
| 11:24.17 | z|2 | daemonkeeper: what do you think? |
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| 11:24.40 | z|2 | I don`t need the files of a .deb archive |
| 11:24.47 | z|2 | I just need the control section |
| 11:25.09 | z|2 | downloading just 10% of a .deb file to save bandwith and extract the control section. |
| 11:25.13 | z|2 | is it possible? |
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| 11:25.54 | z|2 | is it possible to uncompress a partially downloaded zlib archive? |
| 11:26.25 | daemonkeeper | You want to look at the Packages.gz file on your favorite mirror. Aside you should really answer themill's questions. |
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| 11:28.04 | SimonQuest | hi all |
| 11:28.13 | Woet | hi Simon, are you on a quest? |
| 11:28.15 | SimonQuest | need some help |
| 11:28.20 | SimonQuest | quest? |
| 11:28.36 | Woet | .. nevermind |
| 11:29.01 | SimonQuest | joke :) |
| 11:29.03 | SimonQuest | sorry |
| 11:29.11 | SimonQuest | english is not my fist languaje |
| 11:29.15 | Woet | but if you need help, go ahead and ask |
| 11:29.21 | SimonQuest | thank you |
| 11:29.30 | SimonQuest | I've got a cloud server with debian squeeze |
| 11:29.36 | SimonQuest | configured apache and svn |
| 11:29.45 | Woet | by cloud you mean a VPS which got an overhyped name? |
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| 11:30.03 | SimonQuest | rackspace cloud |
| 11:30.22 | Woet | yea, that's what I said, an overpriced VPS with an overhyped name |
| 11:30.24 | Woet | go on :p |
| 11:30.29 | SimonQuest | :) |
| 11:30.30 | SimonQuest | ok |
| 11:30.48 | SimonQuest | when I commit something to svn I get a 409 conflict message |
| 11:31.14 | z|2 | no it is not in .gz - format it is in zlib format. |
| 11:31.20 | z|2 | ar x would help |
| 11:31.33 | samantha-r-- | i once asked rackspace for a quote for a full rack of servers with a 200mb commit and very specific configurations of hardware. they couldn't manage to even meet or exceed the amount of drive space i asked for. considering that i was looking at something costing $10k/mo, you'd think they'd have paid attention. |
| 11:31.33 | Woet | z|2: as has been asked to you many times, what are you trying to do? |
| 11:31.34 | SimonQuest | which, after some googling, I understand being due to apache and svn to compiled against different apr library version |
| 11:31.36 | z|2 | ... but wanna make this directly via zlib from python/perl |
| 11:31.49 | z|2 | I need the md5sums |
| 11:31.50 | Rydekull | http://paste.debian.net/162291/ |
| 11:31.55 | Rydekull | am i missing something here? :-) |
| 11:31.58 | Woet | samantha-r--: that's pocket money for them |
| 11:32.10 | z|2 | this information is neither in Packages nor in Contents-amd64 |
| 11:32.16 | themill | z|2: not all packages contain the md5sums of the files |
| 11:32.19 | z|2 | the md5sums of the files, not of the packages |
| 11:32.28 | z|2 | dowsn`t mind |
| 11:32.37 | z|2 | of those which contain it |
| 11:32.39 | themill | z|2: what are you *really* trying to do. Please be more verbose so we can help you. |
| 11:32.55 | z|2 | get the md5sum for every file online |
| 11:33.12 | samantha-r-- | waits patiently for Mathematica to install. |
| 11:33.19 | Woet | z|2: okay, why? |
| 11:33.48 | z|2 | to assemble a file-md5sum list which is needed by some other program |
| 11:33.54 | SimonQuest | anyone wanting to help with the SVN issue? can open a private chat |
| 11:33.58 | themill | z|2: fine. be vague. |
| 11:34.04 | z|2 | unpacking all the archives would be very time consuming |
| 11:34.24 | z|2 | I don`t want to unpack the contents.gz |
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| 11:34.30 | z|2 | just the control.gz |
| 11:34.48 | techouse | hmm, what package provides php/apache with bzip2 functionality? |
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| 11:35.00 | techouse | i got zip and gzip but no bzip2 |
| 11:35.06 | samantha-r-- | z|2 if you won't explain exactly what you're doing and why, we can't help you, and won't bother trying. it's entirely likely that the thing you want to do could actually be done some other, more intelligent way, but we don't know how to point you in that direction. next stupid question? |
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| 11:35.33 | daemonkeeper | (like reading Packages.gz) |
| 11:35.59 | z|2 | no Packages.gz contains the md5sums of the packagese |
| 11:36.09 | z|2 | I need the md5sums of the files |
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| 11:36.45 | themill | z|2: until you tell us what you're actually trying to do, you're not going to get any more information from anyone here. |
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| 11:38.25 | Silencer | hello, could someone help me ? |
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| 11:39.38 | z|2 | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2010-March/005568.html |
| 11:39.43 | SimonQuest | please, anyone wanting to help fix a bug with svn and apache join channel #apachesvn |
| 11:39.44 | z|2 | implement this for Debian. |
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| 11:40.19 | Silencer | is somone here ? |
| 11:40.33 | taxman01 | no |
| 11:40.40 | jelly | Silencer: yes. Go ahead and |
| 11:40.41 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:40.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:40.46 | themill | z|2: does reinventing debsums really help anyone? |
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| 11:41.12 | Silencer | i just instaled debian, and then PC starts i just get a blanck screen with running lines, any ideas ? |
| 11:41.18 | hyper_ch | hi there, how do I compile something with -fPIC enabled? |
| 11:41.22 | z|2 | debsums does can only be used locally with the generate=all options |
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| 11:41.31 | z|2 | online repositories are not supported |
| 11:41.32 | _ramo | hi |
| 11:41.40 | _ramo | how can i see the whole "history" ? |
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| 11:41.47 | z|2 | it would be an "extension" of debsums |
| 11:41.56 | z|2 | for online retrieval of checksums. |
| 11:42.17 | jelly | having an online trusted page for lookup and listing valid sums, like Solaris used to, would be useful |
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| 11:44.43 | joltcan | hyper_ch: you typically add it to the CC_FLAGS in your makefile |
| 11:44.44 | SimonQuest | can anyone help me with setting up svn? I get a "409 conflict" message when trying to commit... apparently it's due tue apr library |
| 11:44.46 | ansgar | z|2: If you want this, the archive management softwre should be taught to provide the information. |
| 11:45.16 | Silencer | !aski just instaled debian, and then PC starts i just get a blanck screen with running lines, any ideas ? |
| 11:45.18 | hyper_ch | joltcan: where is that makefile usually? |
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| 11:45.37 | samantha-r-- | Silencer: probably video drivers. |
| 11:45.44 | joltcan | hyper_ch: in the directory of the stuff you are trying to compile |
| 11:46.09 | z|2 | ansgar: dpkg-deb can unpack deb; yes. |
| 11:46.14 | joltcan | hyper_ch: or just add -fPIC to your gcc command line |
| 11:46.15 | hyper_ch | joltcan: I have a Makefile and Makefile.in but neither has a CC_FLAGS |
| 11:46.15 | Silencer | i didn't select user interface |
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| 11:46.31 | Silencer | so there should be no video drivers |
| 11:46.41 | z|2 | however having that directly in debsums would be an advantage as it would run from any platform/distsro. |
| 11:46.59 | z|2 | and possibly simpler to implement |
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| 11:48.03 | sp4rc | guys i am running debian stable on amd64 and can't change my grub2 background image |
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| 11:48.37 | sp4rc | i put a splah.png file to /boot/grub and added the line "GRUB_BACKGROUND="/boot/grub/splash.png" to /etc/default/grub |
| 11:48.45 | sp4rc | after that i ran update-grub2 |
| 11:49.08 | sp4rc | the output shows it found the correct image but the grub menu remains blue on black background |
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| 11:49.35 | sp4rc | this new grub2 is so confusing |
| 11:49.46 | pouilet | is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-dvd/ available on torrent? |
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| 11:50.20 | pouilet | I see alot of messages on google of people claiming that they cannot download any ISO of debian with the debian tracker |
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| 11:51.48 | z3x334u | does Debian have AppArmor? |
| 11:52.02 | hyper_ch | joltcan: I tried to export CFLAGS="-fPIC" and did reconfigure, make clean and make again... but it still fails |
| 11:52.30 | themill | pouilet: there's little point in even making the DVDs of the testing installer let alone distributing them via bittorrent. /msg dpkg install wheezy |
| 11:52.43 | pouilet | is there a working Bittorent tracker for debian? bttracker.debian.org:6969 no one is registereing the weekly builds with the tracker |
| 11:53.23 | pouilet | themill: that means http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-dvd/ is completely useless |
| 11:53.31 | themill | pouilet: you also probably don't want the weekly build anyway. |
| 11:54.02 | eugenmayer | themill: i can install the pkg with dpkg -i but when using aptitude, i get an error: dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von openvpn-kw-maintain-ng (--configure): configured to not write apport reports |
| 11:54.08 | eugenmayer | themill: any ideas? |
| 11:54.35 | pouilet | the weekly is at 3.2 and when i upgrade from 2.6 using wheezy testing sources it trashes my display so i wanted to start from a non-upgrade way to use 3.2 |
| 11:54.46 | themill | dpkg: tell pouilet about kmuto |
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| 11:54.51 | DelphiWorld | hello folks |
| 11:55.04 | DelphiWorld | if someone can answer this question that would be pretty FUN ;) |
| 11:55.10 | DelphiWorld | can Linux do IGMP Snooping? |
| 11:55.27 | DelphiWorld | i am multicasting on my Debian machine and i don't want all traffic to go to the switch except if someone request it |
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| 11:55.35 | themill | eugenmayer: (you might do better in #debian-mentors on OFTC at some stage) |
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| 11:56.27 | format_c | DelphiWorld: does it make sense? This is typica |
| 11:56.40 | eugenmayer | themill: thanks! |
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| 11:56.41 | DelphiWorld | format_c: mean? |
| 11:56.44 | format_c | Lly a feature of network switches |
| 11:57.05 | format_c | Not hosta |
| 11:57.05 | eugenmayer | themill: nobody there :/ |
| 11:57.07 | DelphiWorld | format_c: obligated to be a network switch, can't linux do it ? |
| 11:57.37 | themill | eugenmayer: wrong network |
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| 11:57.52 | format_c | Ok this is a detail I didn't knew |
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| 11:58.39 | format_c | So your host bridges? |
| 12:00.03 | DelphiWorld | format_c: that's the issue, i have a simple switch but i want deb if they can IGMPSnoop the traffic comming from them |
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| 12:01.10 | format_c | Usually if bridges do not support multicast snooping, they flush those frames on all ports. |
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| 12:02.09 | DelphiWorld | format_c: so you mean i do a bridge on my debian ? |
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| 12:03.33 | mirco | Hi all, I'm trying to install wheezy on an Dual-G5 from 2004, but the installer fail's to mkfs! |
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| 12:03.49 | ShapeShifter499 | Yay! Lol |
| 12:03.56 | format_c | As I said, multicast snooping on your debian box only makes sense if your box acts as a network switch (multiport bridge) |
| 12:03.58 | ShapeShifter499 | Sorry about the problems |
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| 12:04.36 | format_c | Moreover to make multicast snooping operational you need a querier in your L2 network |
| 12:04.39 | julius__ | hi |
| 12:04.57 | format_c | IGMP Querier |
| 12:05.12 | DelphiWorld | format_c: i have my VLC as a Mcast client |
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| 12:05.24 | julius__ | i took a look at a i386 debian mirror, there you can download debian-6....cd-1 up until cd-52 whats with the numbers? |
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| 12:05.32 | DelphiWorld | format_c: but the issue here is that Debian is the MultiCaster, so IGMPProxy won help |
| 12:06.50 | nemofish | is this normal behaviour from corn? http://pastebin.com/Ws9Wajt8 (paste from /var/log/auth.log) |
| 12:07.01 | nemofish | cron |
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| 12:08.06 | z|2 | I doubt that half-downloading .debs should be supported by dpkg-deb |
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| 12:08.53 | z|2 | what we need is a consistency check: is the .deb downloaded to a sufficient degree to extract the controls.gz |
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| 12:09.47 | DelphiWorld | how to create a bridge and add eth0 to it ? |
| 12:09.48 | themill | z|2: as ansgar said, this should be pursued at an archive level using the archive management software. |
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| 12:10.11 | z|2 | so apt-get ? |
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| 12:10.38 | z|2 | doesn`t make a difference at what level |
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| 12:10.48 | z|2 | the question is about the file format of .debs |
| 12:10.54 | z|2 | about the header information |
| 12:10.58 | Carlos_Tico | Hi guys i have a question i am getting this message grandchild #2405 failed with exit status 127 while runnin cron |
| 12:11.00 | themill | z|2: no... apt-get is not the archive management software |
| 12:11.02 | z|2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar_(Unix) |
| 12:11.08 | z|2 | does not work for me |
| 12:11.18 | z|2 | no ASCII string in there |
| 12:11.20 | themill | z|2: .debs are ar files. See deb(5) |
| 12:11.30 | z|2 | and zlib-flate doesn`t find a zlib-header |
| 12:11.49 | format_c | DelphiWorld: whatch that out : http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bridge#Snooping |
| 12:12.05 | ajithkanu | Hello While I was installing driver for printer I got error. http://pastebin.com/6MsHkYmL ,http://imagebin.org/206935 |
| 12:12.10 | DelphiWorld | format_c: you rocks a lot you know ? |
| 12:12.19 | themill | z|2: I've never heard ar files describe as zlib before... |
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| 12:13.42 | Carlos_Tico | hello ? |
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| 12:13.55 | Carlos_Tico | can any one give me a hand with cron ? |
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| 12:14.06 | _ramo | do you guys know a good root server provider in europe? |
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| 12:14.27 | phr3ak | Carlos_Tico: |
| 12:15.15 | Carlos_Tico | Yeah |
| 12:15.19 | Carlos_Tico | phr3ak |
| 12:15.27 | Carlos_Tico | cant manage to run a cron job |
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| 12:15.59 | phr3ak | details? |
| 12:16.30 | Carlos_Tico | got this message in log |
| 12:16.37 | Carlos_Tico | "/USR/SBIN/CRON[2590]: (CRON) error (grandchild #2591 failed with exit status 127)" |
| 12:17.06 | phr3ak | check cron binary |
| 12:17.25 | Carlos_Tico | how ? |
| 12:17.34 | Carlos_Tico | i can run the command from shell |
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| 12:17.43 | Carlos_Tico | manually but not in a cron job |
| 12:17.58 | phr3ak | try to run /usr/sbin/cron as non-root for test |
| 12:18.11 | phr3ak | ~$ /usr/sbin/cron |
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| 12:18.17 | phr3ak | /usr/sbin/cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied |
| 12:19.05 | phr3ak | where did you specify the cron job? global crontab file? |
| 12:19.05 | Carlos_Tico | "/usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 1340: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
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| 12:19.42 | Carlos_Tico | var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
| 12:19.42 | kandahar | hi all |
| 12:20.03 | Carlos_Tico | edited that file and include the job there |
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| 12:20.21 | phr3ak | you need set the PATH in the shell script |
| 12:20.49 | phr3ak | because the cron's PATH is differ than yours |
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| 12:21.07 | phr3ak | or use absolute path for binaries |
| 12:21.37 | guardian1 | hi, i need to store millions of <4KB files. which filesystem would you use? |
| 12:21.39 | Carlos_Tico | how can i include the path in the shell scrip |
| 12:22.04 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: source /etc/profile etc .. or just create the one you need |
| 12:22.05 | Carlos_Tico | my script its in root and / |
| 12:22.06 | phr3ak | see your PATH nviroment and set in the shell script |
| 12:22.19 | phr3ak | export |
| 12:22.25 | format_c | Carlos_Tico: you should edit crontabs by using crontab -e |
| 12:22.28 | phr3ak | export PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games" |
| 12:22.46 | Carlos_Tico | I edited crontab with crontab -e |
| 12:23.13 | abrotman | phr3ak: what about /sbin and /usr/sbin/ ? |
| 12:23.27 | phr3ak | it was an example |
| 12:23.35 | abrotman | he may take it literally? :) |
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| 12:24.01 | Carlos_Tico | how can i do with this script |
| 12:24.02 | ajithkanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.05 | Carlos_Tico | http://pastebin.com/9KNubtSE |
| 12:25.24 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: at the top .. PATH="whatever/you/want/need" |
| 12:25.31 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: after teh shebang .. |
| 12:25.41 | Carlos_Tico | the path of the script or what ? |
| 12:25.55 | Carlos_Tico | thats what i dont understand ? |
| 12:25.59 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: no, the bath of the binaries you're referenceing .. you'ren ot using full full paths |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | stabs his keyboard |
| 12:26.12 | jelly | is there an easy way to search for request-for-removals from archive? I can't find why is libcdb-deb (src:tinycdb) not in sid any more. |
| 12:26.26 | eugenmayer | themill: i cannot simply get it work. Errror code 30. Is there a "debug mode" ? |
| 12:26.32 | Carlos_Tico | <phr3ak> because the cron's PATH is differ than yours --> what do you mean whit this ? |
| 12:26.32 | format_c | Sendmail is AKAIK in /usr/sbin |
| 12:26.33 | abrotman | !tell jelly about removals |
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| 12:27.08 | phr3ak | Carlos_Tico: type export |
| 12:27.11 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: root's path is different than the user .. so you should ensure the path the sccript has is what you need |
| 12:27.13 | cian1500ww | I keep getting a /bin/bash no found error when trying to chroot into a debootstrap filesystem |
| 12:27.21 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: in your script, type "echo $PATH" .. see what it's set to |
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| 12:27.49 | abrotman | jelly: btw, can take awhile to find the correct reason in that huge file |
| 12:27.58 | phr3ak | Carlos_Tico: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Practices#Debugging |
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| 12:28.26 | jelly | abrotman: yeah. I haven't found any in 2010-2012 tho |
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| 12:28.46 | mirco | anyone in here running PPC install's? |
| 12:28.50 | jelly | ,versions libcdb-dev --arch amd64 |
| 12:28.51 | judd | Package: libcdb-dev on amd64 -- lenny: 0.76; sid: 0.77; squeeze: 0.77; wheezy: 0.77 |
| 12:28.54 | jelly | ,versions libcdb-dev |
| 12:28.55 | judd | Package: libcdb-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.76; sid: 0.77; squeeze: 0.77; wheezy: 0.77 |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | for which package ? |
| 12:29.01 | Carlos_Tico | this is export |
| 12:29.02 | Carlos_Tico | http://pastebin.com/uEDY5aKS |
| 12:29.03 | jelly | abrotman: I'm just blind. |
| 12:29.06 | abrotman | mick_laptop: i am .. |
| 12:29.10 | jelly | as a proverbial bar |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | mick_laptop: mistab |
| 12:29.13 | jelly | bat! |
| 12:29.17 | abrotman | mirco: i am |
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| 12:29.35 | phr3ak | insert this line to your script first: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 12:29.39 | mirco | abrotman: on Apple HW? |
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| 12:29.50 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: from the script ... |
| 12:29.56 | Carlos_Tico | ok |
| 12:30.00 | Carlos_Tico | let me test |
| 12:30.02 | abrotman | mirco: yes .. but it's not near me .. it's at home .. why? |
| 12:30.34 | mirco | I've been trying to install on a Dual-G5 but it always hangs at mkfs, no matter what FS I use |
| 12:30.52 | abrotman | mirco: i have a G4 mini .. which installer are you using ? |
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| 12:31.10 | Carlos_Tico | that line after #!/bin/sh or first line ? |
| 12:31.20 | haotian | which package I need for modprobe ipv6 ? |
| 12:31.24 | haotian | ii iproute 20100519-3 networking and traffic control tools |
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| 12:31.34 | abrotman | haotian: should be in your kernel, what is uname -r ? |
| 12:31.37 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: after |
| 12:31.51 | haotian | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:31.56 | abrotman | haotian: you already have it |
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| 12:32.04 | mirco | abrotman: I've been trying with wheezy KDE-CD from this week and with 6.04 net installer CD |
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| 12:32.11 | haotian | for tunnel broker, do I go the ifconfig way ? |
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| 12:32.24 | mirco | tried with install64 and expert64 |
| 12:32.25 | phr3ak | Carlos_Tico: ofcourse after the shebang. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29 |
| 12:32.44 | abrotman | mirco: how big is the drive? how long did you wait? |
| 12:32.53 | Carlos_Tico | thanks let me try that one :P |
| 12:33.04 | phschwartz | Is there a way to create a package that is noarch? Using dpkg-deb I can only seem to make packages that are arch specific. |
| 12:33.17 | mirco | abrotman: it's the original 160GB Maxtor drive's in there |
| 12:33.38 | abrotman | mirco: so it should take max five minutes? |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | phschwartz: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:34.02 | abrotman | mirco: did you check the debug terminal ? |
| 12:34.10 | haotian | abrotman :: which one for my kernel, http://pastebin.com/F3Vc3N3e |
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| 12:34.36 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 12:34.49 | abrotman | haotian: i have no idea what you're trying to accomplish .. i couldn't answer that |
| 12:34.50 | mirco | abrotman: I've been waiting longer and it not only hangs it even tells it failed sometimes, no I'll do so and post in a few minute's |
| 12:34.59 | jelly | phschwartz: if you're hacking up a package using dpkg-deb, just put Archictecture: all into the control file |
| 12:35.24 | abrotman | mirco: that sounds fishy .. check the debug screen in alt-f3 (i think, might be f4) |
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| 12:35.36 | abrotman | mirco: are you sure the harddrive is stable ? |
| 12:35.37 | JosefAssad | I'm new to bugs.d.o. I wanted to submit a reply to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605032. I sent it by mail to 605032@bugs.debian.org but it isn't showing up on the bug page. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 12:36.06 | mirco | abrotman: 10.5.8 was running fine from RAID1 till last night... |
| 12:36.26 | abrotman | mirco: you could try booting a live CD and see if it can format the drive? |
| 12:37.06 | mirco | abrotman: have tried gentoo and it didn't mkfs the drive telling it's in use, but it wasn't mounted! |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | mirco: you checked with 'mount' ? |
| 12:37.32 | mirco | shure! |
| 12:37.49 | mirco | fishy…. |
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| 12:37.57 | abrotman | indeed |
| 12:37.58 | haotian | abrotman :: trying to tunnel my ipv4 end to ipv6 |
| 12:38.06 | phr3ak | Carlos_Tico: state? |
| 12:38.07 | abrotman | hoarycripple: i won't be any help to you |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | jebus |
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| 12:38.19 | abrotman | hoarycripple: sorry, nickfail |
| 12:38.20 | mirco | it's loading partman… |
| 12:38.21 | haotian | manprobe command doesn't run |
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| 12:38.27 | abrotman | haotian: i won't be any help for that |
| 12:38.31 | abrotman | haotian: modprobe ? |
| 12:38.39 | phr3ak | Carlos_Tico: status? |
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| 12:39.18 | Carlos_Tico | thanks guys working fine now !!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:39.32 | mirco | It's stuck at 52% while loading partitioner… and I can't reach the debug console with alt-F4 |
| 12:39.45 | Carlos_Tico | thanks phr3ak and abrotman :P |
| 12:39.57 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: enjoy |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | mirco: alt-f3 ? |
| 12:40.19 | mirco | tried that too... |
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| 12:40.42 | mirco | damn mac keyboard: alt-fn-F3 |
| 12:40.43 | haotian | tunneling question: http://pastebin.com/EptbJXQX |
| 12:41.10 | Carlos_Tico | another question guys ... |
| 12:41.17 | Carlos_Tico | is it safe to install fail2ban ? |
| 12:41.33 | Carlos_Tico | and does it automatically setups with iptables ? |
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| 12:41.44 | mirco | Carlos_Tico: if you setup it up the right way... |
| 12:42.26 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: are you just trying to stop automated ssh attempts? |
| 12:42.33 | Carlos_Tico | yes |
| 12:42.36 | Carlos_Tico | basically |
| 12:43.03 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: fail2ban won't stop someone really wanting to get into your box .. it's just as effective to change the sshd port |
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| 12:43.42 | Carlos_Tico | I see... |
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| 12:44.57 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: fail2ban essentially says "Hey you tried/failed 3 times in the last minute, i'll ban you" .. if someone wants into your box, they'll see that, wait for the ban to be liefted, slow their attempts |
| 12:46.49 | abrotman | Carlos_Tico: but hey, sure .. install it, just configure it correctly :) |
| 12:47.05 | Carlos_Tico | and fail2ban will automatically use ipatables for the ban right ? |
| 12:47.21 | abrotman | it should |
| 12:47.44 | abrotman | just be careful you don't lock yourself out |
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| 12:48.55 | xand | I would install fail2ban and not change ssh port |
| 12:49.06 | xand | which is just annoying and non-standard |
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| 12:49.31 | xand | you can whitelist addresses so they'll never be blocked |
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| 12:50.12 | xand | and unless you have very weak passwords, fail2ban will never allow enough time for anyone to guess them |
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| 12:50.40 | Carlos_Tico | Ok i will give a shoot then |
| 12:50.56 | mirco | abrotman: http://img692.imageshack.us/i/imagemhpv.jpg/ |
| 12:51.09 | Carlos_Tico | another question is there a way to setup a dynds in iptables |
| 12:51.10 | haotian | tunneling question: http://pastebin.com/EptbJXQX |
| 12:51.14 | Carlos_Tico | or it just takes ip's |
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| 12:51.23 | xand | though fail2ban only supports legacy IP :( |
| 12:51.31 | Carlos_Tico | for example to whitlist a dydns |
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| 12:51.49 | Carlos_Tico | but in iptables ? |
| 12:52.26 | \\z | Hey, I'm getting 404 errors for everything that isn't ignored when trying to update packages with aptitude/apt-get |
| 12:52.41 | themill | \\z: please pastebin the entire output for us |
| 12:53.32 | \\z | themill: http://pastebin.com/CJUY7113 |
| 12:53.36 | xand | Carlos_Tico: you can use DNS names with iptables, but it won't work with dyndns |
| 12:53.47 | eugenmayer | my package installs just find using dpkg -i my.deb … but when using apt-get install .. it fails with code 30. Any ideas how to debug this? |
| 12:53.56 | \\z | I checked the addresses in sources.list, and I can reach them fine |
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| 12:54.20 | abrotman | mirco: next time, consider picpaste.com .. less adcrap |
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| 12:54.35 | xand | \\z: because lenny no longer has any updates. |
| 12:54.47 | \\z | xand: Oh? >< |
| 12:54.48 | mirco | abrotman: OK |
| 12:55.08 | xand | \\z: it's no longer supported as of last month I believe :) |
| 12:55.13 | xand | time to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 12:55.56 | abrotman | mirco: have you tried without mdraid ? |
| 12:56.11 | \\z | Mhk I'll try that, thanks |
| 12:56.22 | mirco | abrotman: it already is without... |
| 12:56.31 | mirco | tried to install to sda only |
| 12:56.48 | abrotman | mirco: madm wouldn't care if you weren't using raid ? |
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| 12:57.14 | babilen | !tell \\z -about release notes |
| 12:57.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell \\z -about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:58.15 | \\z | sweet, thanks |
| 12:58.18 | \\z | I'll give it a shot |
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| 13:02.42 | mirco | abrotman: here's another one with wheezy hanging at 52% too! http://picpaste.com/Foto-CC5Q0Qoa.JPG |
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| 13:04.02 | mirco | according to gentoo lived the machine has it's date set to 1970… cause I had to replace the PRAM battery! |
| 13:04.23 | mirco | might that be a reason? |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | mirco: doubtful .. |
| 13:04.47 | phr3ak | \\z: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | mirco: when you get to the partitioner .. make sure it's not using software raid .. use stratight filesystems |
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| 13:06.08 | mirco | I've been trying to use LVM and raid yesterday, today I removed all part's and only tried with straight FS |
| 13:06.28 | abrotman | mirco: also i should note there is a #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:06.58 | mirco | abrotman: which I tried, but my client told it's invite only! |
| 13:07.12 | themill | mirco: wrong network |
| 13:07.16 | josen | mirco, then you did something awfully wrong |
| 13:07.47 | abrotman | mirco: I had an old IBM server, when I would try to use mdraid, the same thing would happen |
| 13:08.54 | josen | you have problems installing on newworld ppc, I guess? |
| 13:08.59 | mirco | josen: I only clicked so it tried to connect to debianppc on wrong server... |
| 13:09.08 | mirco | josen: yeap |
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| 13:09.31 | josen | mirco, which mac are you running on? Just switched to Linux+PC in November'11 and ran some Linux for school-servers for 6-8 yrs on PPC/Apple. |
| 13:10.09 | mirco | josen: I'm on a Dual-G5 2.0 from 2004: PowerMac7.3 |
| 13:10.28 | josen | Okay, this rules out the 137GB Problem, some older G3/Graphite G4s had. |
| 13:10.38 | eugenmayer | why ever installing debian on a MAC :) Holy |
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| 13:11.18 | mirco | eugenmayer: why I don't wanna run with an old 10.5 when all my other system's are on 10.7... |
| 13:11.21 | josen | eugenmayer, when you get grands for a single vendor and you run a 99% apple network, macs is what you get as servers. |
| 13:11.30 | josen | *grants |
| 13:11.53 | eugenmayer | josen: using macs for servers is just the same categroy. |
| 13:12.13 | eugenmayer | Dont forget to put the white, perfect rounded cubes into the racks! |
| 13:12.37 | abrotman | eugenmayer: i bought a mini to install linux and jack into my tv .. small, quiet, cheap (refurb) |
| 13:12.38 | josen | eugenmayer, youre wrong. i have two macpros 2006 models in production as virtualization hosts running Debian there. |
| 13:12.41 | eugenmayer | dont get me wrong, iam using a MAC / OSX and i would never replace my desktop with debian. But i would neither ever replace my debian servers with OSX |
| 13:12.56 | indigo | high-fives eugenmayer |
| 13:12.57 | josen | also, they run stable since 2006. |
| 13:13.07 | mirco | josen: I still have those two 160GB Maxtor from delivery in there... |
| 13:13.10 | abrotman | eugenmayer: god .. i wish they'd let me rip OSX from this macbook and install linux .. |
| 13:13.11 | eugenmayer | and i would holy shit never buy expesnive apple hardware to stuff a linux on it |
| 13:13.28 | eugenmayer | thats like buring money. |
| 13:13.48 | josen | eugenmayer, i switched to linux myself just recently and am in the process of switching my whole friends over. |
| 13:13.48 | indigo | system76 sells a thing that's very much like a mini, with ubuntu already on it |
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| 13:14.05 | abrotman | josen: whatabout half friends? :) |
| 13:14.11 | eugenmayer | abrotman: to be honest, i bought a mac because of OSX, not the hardware. Debian Deskopt is not even slightly compareable. Not with gnome, not with KDE. I used those for 11 years.. |
| 13:14.15 | abrotman | indigo: i know .. i also wanted to help test linux on PPC |
| 13:14.27 | mirco | can we come back to my G5 hanging at damn partman… :-( |
| 13:14.58 | abrotman | eugenmayer: i very much disagree .. i'd trade OSX for linux in a second |
| 13:15.01 | indigo | abrotman: that's an old mini! |
| 13:15.09 | eugenmayer | abrotman: very very odd :) |
| 13:15.13 | abrotman | indigo: i i know .. i bought it awhile ago |
| 13:15.13 | eugenmayer | (for me) |
| 13:15.18 | josen | abramart, me too. depends on the tasks one has to do and how much it costs. computer=tool. |
| 13:15.24 | abrotman | mirco: have you checked to make sure the partition table is clean ? |
| 13:15.37 | abrotman | josen: yeah, but this is a work-supplied tool .. i don't have a choice :) |
| 13:15.50 | haotian | what does it mean, "routing to ::/0" as in -> "ip route add ::/0" |
| 13:15.55 | mirco | abrotman: I rewrote with mac-fdisk from gentoo |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | my choices were Dell+win, Macbook .. |
| 13:16.04 | mirco | but how can I check if this is clean |
| 13:16.06 | abrotman | mirco: rewrote or erased ? |
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| 13:17.57 | josen | abramart, I switched from a 8-core mac pro, 24gig of memory to a amd dual-core 6000+ 4gig memory. and it runs my workload _even faster_ so at least for me, its linux. but I also have a strange use-case. |
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| 13:18.58 | mirco | josen: two dozen of apps with hundert's of windows? |
| 13:19.28 | josen | firefox with 4 windows and around 80-100 tabs per window and around 250-300 terminals and four scripts to manage the mess. |
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| 13:20.11 | josen | on linux i can have this on commodity hardware without swapping without spending a penny (hat this stinker lying around). apple? -> macpro and good gpu |
| 13:20.27 | karlpinc | josen: You might want to look at <synergy>, possibly. |
| 13:20.35 | josen | what is that? |
| 13:20.43 | ggherdov | Hi all. My filesystem is in a messy state, I need to run "fchk -y" by hand. But for that, I need a shell, which isn't as straightforward. Holding SHIFT after the bios gave my the grub menu. What are now the kernel boot option I need to pass ? |
| 13:20.50 | abrotman | josen: synergy.sf.net or something like that .. |
| 13:20.54 | abrotman | though i'm not sure how it helps here |
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| 13:21.15 | josen | this? http://synergy-foss.org/ |
| 13:21.25 | karlpinc | !tell josen about synergy |
| 13:21.33 | abrotman | josen: yes |
| 13:21.41 | abrotman | still not sure how it helps |
| 13:22.06 | josen | i dont need that. i have a numpad via usb which i use to enter shortcodes to switch to the right virtual desktop. works freaking fast and great. |
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| 13:29.45 | pbase | hi I was checking my old kernels list (http://pastebin.com/9WuT4Epi) How do I remove the old kernels ? |
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| 13:30.35 | pbase | debhelper: |
| 13:30.46 | abrotman | pbase: aptitude remove |
| 13:30.50 | abrotman | or purge |
| 13:31.07 | pbase | abrotman: I did that but the 2.6 kernels don't get listed |
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| 13:31.50 | pbase | abrotman: though they are listed in the kernel |
| 13:32.00 | pbase | list |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | pbase: dpkg -P foo |
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| 13:33.15 | vampi-the-frog | hey guys, if i chmod a-x a file in /etc/cron.daily, will it be excluded from the next cron daily runs? |
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| 13:33.22 | abrotman | pbase: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* | egrep "^rc" | xargs dpkg -P |
| 13:33.27 | abrotman | whoops .. don't use that |
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| 13:34.14 | abrotman | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "linux-image*" | egrep "^rc" | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 13:34.20 | abrotman | evil .. |
| 13:34.26 | pbase | abrotman: dpkg -P foo works |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | vampi-the-frog: should be |
| 13:34.34 | abrotman | pbase: right .. |
| 13:34.37 | vampi-the-frog | yes ty |
| 13:34.41 | pbase | ty |
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| 13:40.38 | eugenmayer | can someone explain, why this http://pastie.org/3738925 adds the 10.0.0.0 route for 255.0.0.0 over openvpnbr0 ? |
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| 13:42.20 | eugenmayer | i editted it http://pastie.org/3738925 to use not confuse with openvpnbr0 as its rather maintainbr0 |
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| 13:45.50 | oznt | hi people, i'm try to use the jumanji browser, but I can't get hinting to work, is anyone here using Jumanji ? |
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| 13:48.13 | cheets | Anyone haver lenovo G570 and dual boot? |
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| 13:48.59 | daemonkeeper | Milos|Netbook: Are you the Milos I think you would be? Can we expect to hear from you in a foreseeable future? |
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| 13:52.11 | Milos|Netbook | daemonkeeper, umm what? |
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| 13:52.22 | dinkum | Hi everybody |
| 13:52.29 | dinkum | I am new to linux |
| 13:52.29 | daemonkeeper | Milos|Netbook: Are you the same person sending us (at Apache) patches? |
| 13:52.39 | dinkum | and the reason for coming to linux is to run GNS3 |
| 13:52.42 | bensons | hi there. i have some debian squeeze boxes and 2 of them got stuck when loading reiserfs kernel module (2.6.32). means modprobe hangs in unint. sleep [D], is this a known issue? |
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| 13:53.02 | dinkum | currently running LUBUNTU |
| 13:53.11 | cheets | Anyone have a problem using windows dual booting on their laptops. When I hibernate and reboot I cannot change my boot device. |
| 13:53.13 | dinkum | and my keyboard keypad is not working |
| 13:53.14 | Milos|Netbook | daemon, no sorry it seems you have the wrong Milos. :) |
| 13:53.21 | daemonkeeper | Milos|Netbook: Oh, sorry. Ignore me, then. Nick clashing. :) |
| 13:53.22 | dinkum | but i can see that gns3 performance is good |
| 13:53.27 | dinkum | don't want to use unity |
| 13:53.44 | daemonkeeper | dinkum: This is #debian. |
| 13:53.48 | dinkum | so anybody here who can help me in gns3 on ubuntu |
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| 13:53.54 | dinkum | oh sorry |
| 13:53.55 | dinkum | debian |
| 13:53.56 | daemonkeeper | dinkum: Debian is not Ubuntu. And neither Lubuntu. Or whatever. |
| 13:54.12 | dinkum | so that is the point i want to leave them and come to debian |
| 13:54.26 | dinkum | i have downloaded the first dvd of debian |
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| 13:54.30 | dinkum | it has 8 |
| 13:54.34 | dinkum | do i need to download all |
| 13:54.37 | daemonkeeper | You don't need all of them. |
| 13:54.54 | Milos|Netbook | daemonkeeper, I see. Well, it's lovely to know there's another Milos who's into Apache :) |
| 13:54.56 | dinkum | so 1 is enough |
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| 13:55.12 | dinkum | i have downloaded 64 bit one |
| 13:55.17 | daemonkeeper | If you have a working and reasonably fast Internet connection you can perfectly work with the first DVD or even the ~250M netboot image. |
| 13:55.47 | dinkum | i have 8 mb connection and can download 1 Mbit/s |
| 13:55.57 | dinkum | i already have dvd 1 |
| 13:55.59 | bensons | so anyone here is actually using reiserfs on 2.6.32? |
| 13:56.06 | dinkum | which i think will help me setup the system initially |
| 13:56.14 | daemonkeeper | dinkum: That's enough, then. Just boot it and install. |
| 13:56.41 | dinkum | deamonkeeper i want to use debian as my primary OS |
| 13:56.42 | daemonkeeper | dinkum: Generally you do not need the installer DVDs at all unless you're working on a location without Internet access. |
| 13:56.50 | dinkum | because I hate moving around |
| 13:56.56 | dinkum | and most of the time my pc remain on |
| 13:57.34 | dinkum | i want cover all the shortcomings of windows by running vm |
| 13:57.52 | dinkum | but i want to stick myself to linux specially debian |
| 13:58.08 | dinkum | i have couple of questions before i start the procedure |
| 13:58.20 | dinkum | one i want to have the root priveliges |
| 13:58.25 | dinkum | as gns3 need that |
| 13:58.28 | dinkum | is it possible |
| 13:58.37 | dinkum | to always log in as root |
| 13:58.46 | daemonkeeper | You do not want or need that. |
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| 13:59.45 | dinkum | i want that |
| 14:00.04 | daemonkeeper | You don't. |
| 14:00.12 | dinkum | 2nd question which i noticed while i was using ubuntu 11.10 |
| 14:00.20 | dinkum | i installed teamviewer |
| 14:00.27 | dinkum | and accessed my pc from office |
| 14:00.38 | dinkum | but the fonts were so bad |
| 14:00.43 | dinkum | that i can hardly work |
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| 14:01.25 | dinkum | any help i can get in accessing the clear sharp pc from anywhere |
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| 14:01.37 | daemonkeeper | I'm afraid we can't help you. Teamviewer is non-free software, not supported in Debian. Ask the company providing hopefully support for it. |
| 14:01.56 | daemonkeeper | i.e. the company offering that product. |
| 14:01.58 | dinkum | hmm do u know any free |
| 14:03.21 | daemonkeeper | Most desktop environments include a Desktop sharing applications. More alternatives include various VNC derivatives. |
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| 14:04.05 | dinkum | actually i want something which work on port 80 |
| 14:04.12 | dinkum | as it is open almost everywhere |
| 14:04.48 | daemonkeeper | I guess switchting the port is the least problen. |
| 14:04.51 | daemonkeeper | *problem |
| 14:05.06 | dinkum | and the client on the other side should not need to be installed |
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| 14:05.16 | dinkum | because many time i work on pc where i am not an admin |
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| 14:15.07 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 14:15.15 | ZenWalker | If iceweasel crash, where is the log? |
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| 14:15.53 | mirco | josen: there is only two more ppl in debian-ppc, which don't respond… Have used finnix 104 to start a debian based live session |
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| 14:17.48 | XonXor17 | Does anyone know how to install Kazam desktop recorder on a debian machine? |
| 14:17.52 | mirco | josen: when running mkfs.ext4 after some time it hangs and after another minute i got: "udevd[id]: timeout: killing '/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdaX' [id]" |
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| 14:20.08 | snama | Hello, I have a quick question about gtk2 theme properties |
| 14:20.29 | jhutchins_wk | ZenWalker: iceweasel doesn't usually log anything. |
| 14:20.40 | snama | the thing is that I want to reset all theming properties. I understand I just have to remove a few config files. I just do not know which ones |
| 14:21.02 | themill | ZenWalker: you might find something in ~/.xsession-error |
| 14:21.03 | themill | s |
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| 14:22.51 | xreal | What parameters do *you* use to run iozone? |
| 14:23.52 | ralf__ | hello, there seams something broken with gcc and/or binutils in squeeze on x64. can somebody confirm that the following segfaults and/or has maybe some hints and/or can test it in sid? -> http://paste.debian.net/162314/ |
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| 14:29.41 | jelly-home | ralf__: gcc -s -static -o a a.c is enough |
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| 14:30.59 | ralf__ | jelly-home: ok, it was just a copy/paste from my makefile |
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| 14:32.03 | jelly-home | doing a separate gcc -static without strip, and strip -s on the binary, avoids the reloc symbol issues and the segfault |
| 14:33.02 | jelly-home | I don't have a sid amd64 installation to test with a newer gcc |
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| 14:33.15 | prodnix | Hi all I have a problem with my debain VM, "(Reading database ... 85%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'file' is missing final newline" happens whenever i try using apt or aptitude. TIA |
| 14:33.44 | ralf__ | jelly-home: thanks, good work around, but it seams to be a bug or? i can compile other sources with that "-s -static" combination without problems |
| 14:34.01 | ralf__ | jelly-home: other == larger code |
| 14:34.05 | martin3z | hi all, i need unrar file, but unrar-free failed, prop is packed in rar 3., any ideas? |
| 14:34.20 | jelly-home | ralf__: I have no idea.. have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:34.24 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 14:34.25 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 14:34.37 | themill | prodnix: can you pastebin the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/file.list for us? |
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| 14:35.23 | themill | dpkg: tell martin3z about rar |
| 14:36.07 | prodnix | themill: cat cant read it, has all sorts of wierd symbols |
| 14:36.34 | martin3z | i know taht rar in in non-free , i have all 8 DVDs in my local repo, and ls -lR | grep rar don't give me it |
| 14:36.40 | themill | prodnix: filesystem issues? (either in the VM or on the host?). That should be a nice simple text file. |
| 14:37.09 | prodnix | themill: can i delete it and rebuild it? |
| 14:37.22 | themill | martin3z: non-free tends not to be on the media |
| 14:37.22 | martin3z | it looks like i can find rar in my repo wher i have all 8 DVDs, is it actually in debian? |
| 14:37.29 | martin3z | cant* |
| 14:37.59 | martin3z | themill: aha, so it is the problem, thanks |
| 14:38.31 | themill | prodnix: you could delete that file (possibly recreating it) and then reinstall the "file" package. But I'd be worried why this happened... |
| 14:38.33 | ralf__ | jelly-home: hopyfully i did the right query option i found no existend bug report |
| 14:38.41 | somiaj | martin3z: there is a free and non-free rar tool |
| 14:38.54 | martin3z | somiaj: but where? |
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| 14:39.14 | somiaj | hmm I guess not, I seem to rember a rar-nonfree vs rar |
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| 14:40.06 | ZenWalker | jhutchins_wk: themill: thanks |
| 14:40.08 | martin3z | somiaj: right, but unrer-free doesn't work for files packed with rar version 3.0 |
| 14:40.17 | martin3z | so almost all archives from net |
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| 14:41.24 | somiaj | ahh yea it was unrar-free -- yea I think you are out of luck if that dosen't work |
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| 14:42.02 | pouilet | on startup of kernel 3.2 my display is .. garbled? and i didn't even choose graphical workstation package (i just chose laptop & standard system utilities) |
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| 14:43.19 | somiaj | pouilet: what video card? Sounds like a framebuffer or kms setting |
| 14:43.37 | somiaj | martin3z: yea if the unrar-free doesn't support it you may be out of luck on DSFG free software for rar archives |
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| 14:44.24 | pouilet | somiaj: AMD Radeon HD 6310M |
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| 14:45.00 | pouilet | its one of those "mobility radeon" |
| 14:45.03 | dvs | pouilet: Install the firmware-kernel-nonfree package |
| 14:45.14 | ralf__ | martin3z: there are linux tar's on rarlabs.com, not debian packages but you can extract rars ;) |
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| 14:45.48 | somiaj | ralf__: you know if they are DSFG free? |
| 14:46.08 | ralf__ | somiaj: no |
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| 14:46.14 | ralf__ | somiaj: (i dont know) |
| 14:46.38 | somiaj | debian does have rar/unrar in its archives that work, he was just looking for free alternatives |
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| 14:46.59 | somiaj | also no page rarlabs.com, and rarlab.com looks like winrar/rar which I'm guessing is non-free |
| 14:47.06 | ralf__ | somiaj: ah ok, then i missunderstood |
| 14:47.12 | martin3z | ok i will find out on rarlabs |
| 14:47.58 | somiaj | martin3z: from that site you only get a 'Trial' license. |
| 14:48.03 | pouilet | dvs: can you be more specific, do i apt-get install firmware-kernel-nonfree? |
| 14:48.21 | somiaj | pouilet: you will need to enable the non-free repos in sources.list first |
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| 14:48.43 | martin3z | somiaj: ralf__: so, what is your prop to get free best unpacker then... |
| 14:48.53 | dvs | pouilet: Yes |
| 14:49.03 | somiaj | martin3z: yea the rarlab.com is the same thing that is in debian non-free |
| 14:49.27 | somiaj | martin3z: it seems that for rar archives there is no free (according to the DSFG) alternative that works. |
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| 14:50.07 | somiaj | martin3z: I just use the non-free unrar when ever I needed it (very rare), but I would just avoid rar's. (: |
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| 14:51.00 | martin3z | it sound depressive, since i find on net a lot of them.. all ppl use it |
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| 14:51.46 | martin3z | it should be zip or tar used instead |
| 14:51.47 | somiaj | I don't think you know what free vs non-free means |
| 14:51.58 | martin3z | i know |
| 14:52.08 | somiaj | oh wait...yea it is most people dont understand the difference |
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| 14:52.18 | somiaj | if you can download a 'free' tool and they are popular use it. :/ |
| 14:52.20 | martin3z | licence for software and algorithm |
| 14:52.46 | somiaj | martin3z: I have never liked rar's myself, this seems to reinforce that. (: |
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| 14:53.38 | pouilet | somiaj: i type apt-get install firmware-kernel-nonfree but it didn't know what that was |
| 14:53.54 | martin3z | ok ok , i just have to go find out what to do with those rars i have |
| 14:53.57 | somiaj | pouilet: I said you first have to enable the non-free kernel repo |
| 14:54.04 | somiaj | !tell pouilet -about non-free |
| 14:54.18 | themill | martin3z: have you installed the "unrar" package from non-free yet? |
| 14:54.19 | pouilet | somiaj: in my sources.list it says squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 14:54.23 | somiaj | martin3z: seems it is the algorithim that is the issue in this case |
| 14:54.28 | somiaj | pouilet: did you do an apt-get update? |
| 14:54.33 | martin3z | themill: no |
| 14:54.41 | themill | ... |
| 14:55.03 | somiaj | pouilet: package name is firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 14:55.14 | martin3z | themill: my config is with local repo, i dont take net repos in my sources.list, it my choice |
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| 14:55.38 | themill | good luck, then. |
| 14:55.40 | martin3z | themill: i have weak net and had 2 reinstallation after upgrades |
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| 14:56.12 | martin3z | themill: my nat was break when i was upgradeing dist :( |
| 14:56.13 | somiaj | martin3z: goto packages.debian.org and download that one/two packages you need? |
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| 14:56.35 | martin3z | somia: yes i think this i my way :) |
| 14:56.44 | pouilet | somiaj: ok, it installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but my screen is still garbled |
| 14:56.52 | pouilet | on reboot |
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| 14:58.07 | somiaj | lsmod | grep radeon -- do you have that module enabled pouilet? |
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| 14:59.15 | somiaj | or maybe check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ to disable setting of the framebuffer mode |
| 15:00.05 | pouilet | great, ill check that |
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| 15:01.43 | pouilet | somiaj: lsmod | grep radeon, showed nothing |
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| 15:01.58 | pouilet | will check grub too see if there is something about framebuffer |
| 15:02.15 | gimbal | Hi folks - got a Grub issue. I've built and installed a new kernel, but it's not booting succesfully. I think I've got it narrowed down to a matter of the 'root' kernel param being given to the kernel by grub.cfg (as generated with the appropriate tools). My question is: Why does my custom kernel have root=/dev/sda2 when the other kernels (Ubuntu distributed) all have root=UUID=etcetc ? 4 |
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| 15:02.35 | gimbal | I mean, why does it give the device for just that custom kernel, but the UUId for the other kernels, when the scripts generate grub.cfg ? |
| 15:03.08 | gimbal | tried tracing that back, looked at /etc/grub.d/10_linux just failing to make sense of it |
| 15:03.32 | FDFlock | well, rar is alos inferior to |
| 15:03.41 | bensons | gimbal: thats because grub2 simply makes no sense ;) |
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| 15:03.52 | FDFlock | 7zip, but that's off-topic |
| 15:04.01 | gimbal | bensons: hm. I can somehow believe that that would be the best answer ;} |
| 15:04.08 | FDFlock | gimbal: both should work |
| 15:04.14 | FDFlock | i think :) |
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| 15:04.54 | gimbal | FDFlock: well I'm lost then ... getting an error at boot time "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(0,0)" but just with that custom kernel |
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| 15:05.54 | themill | gimbal: did you compile in your filesystem and hardware modules? |
| 15:06.06 | gimbal | I know that I technically *can* change the perms on grub.cfg and just fix th at root= option so it matches the others, but then again, that would be a hack ;} |
| 15:06.10 | dkr | weird. doing a etch->lenny upgrade. the new kernel was put in grub and not in lilo so I figured I'd just do grub-install /dev/hda but head -c 512 /dev/hda|strings actually shows me LILO *and* GRUB |
| 15:06.16 | FDFlock | bensons, gimbal : I'll agree that grub "legacy" had a significantly better UI compared to the over-engineered grub2, however this is a kernel thing, not a grub thing |
| 15:06.55 | themill | gimbal: there's nothing stopping you from doing so as a test... but I suspect you'll find that that test fails to boot too |
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| 15:07.11 | gimbal | themill: I used the same kernel configuration from the kernel I'm running now, just changed a few processor options |
| 15:07.24 | _ramo | hi |
| 15:07.33 | themill | gimbal: and did you have it make an initramfs too? |
| 15:07.34 | _ramo | does debian has sometihng like "vmbuilder" ? |
| 15:07.34 | FDFlock | is the option actually passed to the kernel you want to boot? That's the question - if it is, grub is ok |
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| 15:08.04 | gimbal | themill: Hmmmmmmmm. That might be it. Muchos gracias in advance - I used make-kpkg to build the kernel, maybe didn't add all the right salt, pepper, and command line args for that |
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| 15:08.37 | FDFlock | _ramo: What's vmbuilder and for which VM technology? |
| 15:08.55 | __zero | I'm going to install xchat but I can see that alsa-base package is going to be installed as well... I'm using pulse since it comes by default on wheezy, will installing alsa-base break my sound configuration? I've had lots of problems regarding audio and I really don't like to play with it much |
| 15:09.32 | themill | ,why xchat alsa-base --release wheezy |
| 15:09.45 | judd | Packages xchat and alsa-base in wheezy/i386 are linked by 1 chains: xchat â–· alsa-utils â–· alsa-base |
| 15:09.54 | _ramo | FDFlock: i found this: http://wiki.debian.org/VMBuilder vmbuilder is a tool to build up vms with virsh i guess |
| 15:09.58 | _ramo | virsh/kvm |
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| 15:10.08 | themill | __zero: you could consider disabling recommends for that install or just adding "alsa-utils-" to the command line. |
| 15:10.14 | gimbal | themill: I'll rebuild the kernel pakage with the option "--initrd" added to the make-kpkg call - I'm guessing that'll fix it. Thanks |
| 15:10.23 | themill | gimbal: have fun |
| 15:10.39 | gimbal | will do! :} |
| 15:10.43 | __zero | themill: I'll try |
| 15:10.45 | gimbal | []? |
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| 15:10.56 | gimbal | cheers and such ;} |
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| 15:12.24 | __zero | themill: worked, thanks |
| 15:12.29 | themill | \o/ |
| 15:12.31 | FDFlock | _ramo: your question was whether Debian has VMbuilder. Isn't the answer obvious? You pointed it to me yourself! So, what's the question ? |
| 15:12.36 | themill | pats judd |
| 15:12.46 | _ramo | FDFlock: yeah, i found it after asking |
| 15:12.55 | _ramo | so, i guess vmbuilder is not available for debian |
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| 15:14.10 | skirmisha | hi |
| 15:14.16 | skirmisha | can someone help me pls |
| 15:14.34 | __zero | skirmisha, what is it? |
| 15:14.41 | skirmisha | i have broadcom wifi chip 4312, but can not get it working on more than 5 mb/s |
| 15:14.54 | skirmisha | i am thinking to update firmware |
| 15:15.03 | skirmisha | but don't know which one to put |
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| 15:15.18 | skirmisha | any ideas which one is better |
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| 15:15.31 | skirmisha | it is b43 firmware |
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| 15:16.10 | __zero | skirmisha: have you checked you're router configuration? |
| 15:16.20 | __zero | your* |
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| 15:17.24 | skirmisha | yes, i have spent 4 hours today to test with diff options and channel width |
| 15:17.29 | FDFlock | skirmisha: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices ? Or do you mean something else? |
| 15:17.46 | pouilet | somiaj: still garbled screen after grub boo |
| 15:17.46 | FDFlock | skirmisha: Did you try different channels? |
| 15:17.46 | skirmisha | but i have 2 laptops, on windows laptop speed is approx 12 mb |
| 15:17.57 | skirmisha | tried all channels |
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| 15:18.14 | skirmisha | on linux laptop max is 5 mb whatever i do |
| 15:18.17 | zukalk | hi, question about APT. say i downgrade a package from v2 to v1 because of some unwanted behaviour. i mark it as held back so that dist-upgrade won't undo my downgrade. however, i want my package to be upgraded to a new v3 once it is released, in the hope that what drove me out of v2 has been fixed. how can i do that? |
| 15:18.20 | skirmisha | it is mikrotik 571U |
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| 15:18.28 | pouilet | i did a lspci and it says "VGA Comptabile Controller: ATI 9802" |
| 15:18.58 | FDFlock | ATi? good luck! |
| 15:19.40 | skirmisha | 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) |
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| 15:20.18 | skirmisha | i see there are diff drivers/firmware |
| 15:20.25 | skirmisha | lp-phy |
| 15:20.27 | skirmisha | and legacy |
| 15:20.31 | skirmisha | what is the diff |
| 15:20.53 | skirmisha | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 15:23.15 | skirmisha | For 802.11b/g devices with a BCM4312 LP-PHY chipset (PCI ID 14E4:4315), install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer: |
| 15:23.15 | skirmisha | aptitude install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
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| 15:24.57 | FDFlock | skirmisha: I don't think you should care about the PHY[sical] part; for your card you can use wl, according to that page |
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| 15:25.22 | FDFlock | Also the debian page says wl, too |
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| 15:39.30 | johnfg | hi folks! |
| 15:40.58 | johnfg | I've got a debian squeeze system that I'd like to convert to lvm, partly so I can learn to use lvm and its tools. Any special caveats about the conversion process or the best tutorial to learn how to do the conversion? |
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| 15:43.09 | karlpinc | johnfg: Nothing special you need to know. Have backups, in case you blow away your disk by accident. |
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| 15:44.31 | johnfg1 | karlpinc: Right, although if that happens, that would be the machine to nuke. |
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| 15:45.13 | johnfg1 | karlpinc: So, if you would recommend a howto for the converstion...? |
| 15:45.24 | johnfg1 | conversion...? |
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| 15:46.15 | rjj | What's the safest way to clean out from files from /var/log? A few of my logs have grown to 30GB apiece over the last few days and I need to squash them. |
| 15:46.18 | karlpinc | johnfg1: Just any old howto that tells you how to copy filesystems. Something that gives you an rsync command would be good. Otherwise, ibm developerworks has something good on lvm, I recall. |
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| 15:46.58 | karlpinc | rjj: "man logrotate"? |
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| 15:47.17 | benvei | Does vnstat log IPv6 Traffic? |
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| 15:48.07 | karlpinc | johnfg1: You may need to boot from, say, the debian install cd in rescue mode to copy the root filesystem. (Although that's if you want to do it "cleanly". You can get by with losing log entries and such and just copy from a running system.) |
| 15:48.08 | mirco | abrotman: josen: it seem's my damn prob was just some bad RAM! removed the non Apple Module's and now the installer seems to run through… Not yet ready, but I'll see! |
| 15:48.31 | rjj | karlpinc: that is awfully helpful. I guess for some reason logrotate hasn't been running. |
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| 15:49.29 | karlpinc | rjj: It may not rotate some logs often. Also, if you've a script that dies I've had that abort the rotation and the remaining logs don't rotate. |
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| 15:49.51 | karlpinc | rjj: (a pre/post rotate script run from the logrote configs.) |
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| 15:51.03 | pouilet | zomfg, its fixed |
| 15:51.18 | pouilet | radeon now works with 3.2 linux |
| 15:51.20 | karlpinc | johnfg1: You're basically doing a backup/restore, so those are the howtos needed for the conversion. |
| 15:53.07 | rjj | karlpinc: would you mind giving me a few pointers on logrotate? All I'm getting is the copyright information. |
| 15:53.39 | drhouse123 | Hi! What is mean app_name[8323] general protection ip: ?fff45545 error ? |
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| 15:54.01 | drhouse123 | Explain me it please |
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| 15:54.24 | karlpinc | rjj: It's all driven from a config file. See the examples in the man page. |
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| 15:55.03 | skirmisha | back again |
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| 15:57.01 | karlpinc | drhouse123: Probably that program "app_name" running as process number 8323 is trying to access memory that it's not allowed to get. The cpu instruction pointer is fff45545. Or maybe not. It depends on the program producing the error. |
| 15:57.49 | drhouse123 | karlpinc: Is it usually bug in package? |
| 15:57.57 | jelly-home | drhouse123: "it was buggy, tried to access memory it did not have permissions for, and it may have crashed" |
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| 15:59.04 | jelly-home | drhouse123: can you show the actual line from the log, without hiding potentially relevant data? |
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| 15:59.33 | jelly-home | drhouse123: in fact, pastebin that, and some 10-20 lines before and after. |
| 15:59.35 | jelly-home | !paste |
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| 15:59.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 15:59.49 | drhouse123 | jelly-home: karlpinc thanks very much; just some app crashed in ubuntu; from their channell I didn't get answer |
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| 16:00.14 | drhouse123 | But now I have Debian testing |
| 16:00.32 | jelly-home | drhouse123: good, because we cannot support ubuntu in here |
| 16:00.35 | \\z | So.. I was in the process of updating my debian version from lenny to squeeze through an SSH connection, but the connection terminated |
| 16:00.46 | \\z | Now I logged in again and not sure how to resume |
| 16:01.10 | \\z | I tried starting update again |
| 16:01.21 | \\z | But it said "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)" |
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| 16:01.29 | \\z | And "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" |
| 16:01.41 | themill | \\z: well, is another process using it? |
| 16:01.42 | \\z | So I'm guessing it's still running in the background... can I return to it somehow? |
| 16:01.56 | jelly-home | \\z: did you run it inside screen or similar? |
| 16:02.08 | \\z | jelly-home: No |
| 16:02.12 | themill | !status lock |
| 16:02.13 | jelly-home | then no |
| 16:02.13 | dpkg | If you have errors that there the dpkg status database cannot be locked, check to see if another package management tool is already running. This might be aptitude, dpkg, update-manager, unattended-upgrades, synaptic, ... Find out by running (as root): fuser -vi /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:02.23 | \\z | themill: I'm guessing my previous process is still running? |
| 16:02.36 | \\z | I just lost the SSH connection, the debian box was still running |
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| 16:03.53 | caravel | hi all |
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| 16:04.03 | \\z | Not sure how to read it... but it lists the user root, a PID and under ACCESS it says F.... |
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| 16:04.09 | caravel | \\z: you should definitely install, learn and use "screen" |
| 16:04.11 | \\z | And dpgk for COMMAND |
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| 16:04.29 | \\z | caravel: Noted, will do |
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| 16:04.38 | Gadien | caravel, Hello |
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| 16:04.46 | \\z | Anything I can do now? Is it ok to just kill this process? It was mid update |
| 16:04.47 | caravel | \\z: so if you loose your connexion, nothing to worry : screen -r |
| 16:05.17 | \\z | caravel: I've had limited screen exposure before, so I know roughly how it works, I just didn't bother with it since my latest reinstall |
| 16:05.21 | Iridos | well... do you have any other choice but to kill it now? |
| 16:05.36 | \\z | Iridos: I don't know, that's why I'm asking |
| 16:05.41 | \\z | Is there any way to resume it? |
| 16:05.51 | Iridos | not really |
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| 16:06.06 | caravel | \\z: yes, kill it and restart it (as long as you don't reboot the box :D you should be fine) |
| 16:06.06 | \\z | Mhk |
| 16:06.15 | \\z | Alrighty, thanks |
| 16:06.38 | Iridos | my point was... so you can as well go ahead and kill it an look what pieces there might be to pick up... |
| 16:07.08 | Gadien | caravel, I spoke to you before, but I don't have any history of the conversation :( |
| 16:07.47 | caravel | Gadien: :) use some IRC client, that will permit you to store all logs |
| 16:07.58 | \\z | Iridos: I'm a bit scared of looking for pieces of my server's OS, as my linux savviness can be summed up by roughly zero |
| 16:08.34 | \\z | Although something.... just happened, lol |
| 16:08.40 | \\z | I killed the process, started a new update |
| 16:08.45 | \\z | And it's finished now, apparently |
| 16:09.10 | Gadien | caravel, well I use xchat, but I'm not sure of storing the logs, is there a chance I could get a virus |
| 16:09.25 | caravel | \\z: good, then to make sure, do an apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:09.30 | caravel | Gadien: logs are plain text :D |
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| 16:10.24 | Iridos | Gadien, well... don't kiss people who have a running nose, is my advice |
| 16:10.52 | Gadien | Iridos, lol ok |
| 16:11.19 | \\z | Um... it wants me to restart some services before it can continue |
| 16:11.26 | \\z | And one of those services is SSH |
| 16:11.30 | \\z | That's a problem, no? |
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| 16:12.40 | \\z | Apparently not... I hit ok, as it wasn't giving me much of a choice |
| 16:12.43 | \\z | And the update continued |
| 16:12.53 | caravel | \\z: No. If the update was heavy, might be a good idea to restart anyway (eg. new kernel). However, you probably want todouble check your sshd config : if you had modified it while an update was proposed, make sure to merge both |
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| 16:13.45 | \\z | kk, though I never did any modding |
| 16:14.15 | \\z | Um... may be a dumb question, but as I said I'm not very linux savvyy... how do I restart the system from SSH? |
| 16:14.30 | caravel | \\z: then you should be fine. Remember too that apt-get dist-upgrade* is usually required for the corest updates (kernel) |
| 16:14.44 | caravel | \\z: just type reboot ^^ |
| 16:14.50 | bklive | reboot as root\ |
| 16:14.52 | \\z | kk cheers |
| 16:15.08 | Gadien | I'm trying to install Debian, but I have a problem with a: getting the kernel I need for the ath9k_htc wifi device cause I have squeeze (stable) |
| 16:16.20 | Iridos | caravel, that's not true... dist-upgrade will also remove and add packages if needed... not something required for a kernel with a new patchlevel |
| 16:16.23 | caravel | Gadien: from which release is it supposed to be supported ? |
| 16:16.26 | bklive | apt pin the sid repos and install sid/linux-image |
| 16:16.27 | apt | ACTION laughs as bklive gets the sid repos and install sid/linux-image in a headlock, screaming 'Say Uncle!' |
| 16:16.56 | Gadien | can someone send me info about ath9k_htc to dpkg? I don't know how to do it |
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| 16:17.16 | nimbius_ | hi debian |
| 16:17.29 | nimbius_ | how painful would it be to dist-upgrade from 3.1 to 6? |
| 16:17.30 | bklive | Gadien: do you have the .deb package already? |
| 16:17.34 | caravel | Iridos: hmm, thanks, but I was stating this purely from my experience, had a few times kernel packages automatically left aside with upgrade, and applied with dist-upgrade (?) |
| 16:17.54 | dvs | Gadien: I dont think the 2.6.32 kernel is up to the task. Id get a kmuto install CD and try the install that way. |
| 16:18.01 | Gadien | caravel, the bot for ath9k_htc tells us with kernel |
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| 16:18.35 | nimbius | could i reasonably expect a distupgrade like this to succeed? |
| 16:18.48 | bklive | nimbius: no. but you can give it a shot. |
| 16:18.48 | Iridos | caravel, I think they would if the kernel version changes (which it should not in squeeze) - because then the meta-package (if one has it) depends on a new kernel with a different version in the package name... |
| 16:18.56 | caravel | nimbius: how painful would it be to fresh reinstall in your case ? :D |
| 16:18.56 | Gadien | dvs, I have to do it via usb. this is an eeepc 1000H |
| 16:19.04 | nimbius | caravel: probably not painful at all. |
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| 16:19.33 | caravel | Iridos: ok, thanks ^^ |
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| 16:20.00 | nimbius | cool thx |
| 16:20.00 | dvs | Gadien: Oh, I'm not sure if the kmuto image can transfer to a USB drive but I can't see what it couldn't. |
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| 16:20.31 | Iridos | caravel, although... man page of apt-get only speaks of "[dist-upgrade] may remove packages [...] if needed" |
| 16:20.31 | Iridos | s/needed/necessary/ |
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| 16:20.49 | caravel | nimbius: then if I were you, I'd fresh reinstall - major upgrades like this would prevent you to get the benefits from some new features/choices of packages to accompish some task |
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| 16:21.48 | caravel | Iridos: I would have sweared that upgrade would remove obsolete ones, but you make me doubt now :) |
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| 16:21.55 | caravel | sworn ? hmm |
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| 16:24.37 | Gadien | dvs, would it be as simple as cat > ... sdb? |
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| 16:25.03 | Iridos | caravel, no... if you don't have the meta-package (e.g. linux-image-2.6 ), then the kernel isn't touched at all (except for security patches). If you do, the meta-package is upgraded and depends on a new version of the kernel... so this is then pulled in. I guess your old kernel would have the "autoremove" flag set, so it would be removed with apt-get autoremove after your upgrade. Aptitude might do it within the same step, as it autoremoves with every o |
| 16:25.04 | Iridos | peration. |
| 16:25.28 | rjj | Does logrotate usually take a long time to run when it comes to large files? |
| 16:25.56 | dvs | Gadien: Yes |
| 16:26.07 | caravel | Iridos: ooohhh rrriight :) that explains my confusion (yes I use the meta packages). Thanks a LOT for your detailed clarification. |
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| 16:27.01 | pouilet | cannot believe EVERYTHING now works (crappy realtek wifi card, terribad mobility radeon) |
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| 16:28.11 | Iridos | hm, actually that wasn't so bad as explanations go... perhaps I should make it into a factoid... it's not obvious to the outsider how kernel upgrades are handled |
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| 16:28.36 | caravel | pouilet: yes, you can. Debian rocks! :) |
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| 16:28.38 | Gadien | dvs, cool, would you know the bash command to do that if you can't do it with sudo? |
| 16:28.47 | gwz | hey, I am trying to install a package needed for my wifi to work, is it possible to download the dependencies etc using debian sources site? |
| 16:28.50 | karlpinc | Iridos: Last I paid attention you had to purge to get rid of old kernels. |
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| 16:29.12 | Iridos | karlpinc, what do you mean with "purge"? |
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| 16:29.37 | Gadien | dvs, reason i ask is cause I've had to do it before but the log wasn't saved in the irc client |
| 16:29.41 | pouilet | is purge required to get rid of files in /lib/modules etc? |
| 16:29.43 | karlpinc | Iridos: "aptitude purge linux-image-x.x.x" As if the kernel itself was a config file to be gotten rid of. |
| 16:29.50 | dvs | Gadien: As root, it would be something like "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX; sync" where sdX is where your USB drive is and debian.iso is the Debian ISO file. |
| 16:29.51 | Iridos | hmm |
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| 16:30.17 | Iridos | karlpinc, ok, intersting - so it could be autoremoved, but would still stick around |
| 16:30.19 | karlpinc | Iridos: This lets the old kernel hang around until a manual operation removes it after reboot. |
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| 16:30.29 | Gadien | dvs, I can't do it as root, I'm using ubuntu 11.10 |
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| 16:30.40 | karlpinc | Iridos: So upgrading does not break things badly, like the modules. |
| 16:30.56 | karlpinc | pouilet: yes. |
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| 16:30.58 | dvs | Gadien: You can't be root and you can't use sudo? |
| 16:31.11 | Gadien | dvs, can't even log in as root or I don't know how to do it |
| 16:31.37 | caravel | Gadien: you probably should go to #ubuntu :) |
| 16:31.38 | karlpinc | !tell Gadien about ubuntu |
| 16:31.51 | dvs | Gadien: From a command line, "su -" should do it but you have to know the password |
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| 16:32.05 | dvs | karlpinc: He's trying to create a Debian ISO image from Ubuntu |
| 16:32.21 | dvs | I hope |
| 16:32.27 | caravel | oh ok. Didn't I guide you a few days ago on this, Gadien ? |
| 16:32.48 | Gadien | dvs, ubuntu dindn't give me a choice for password. |
| 16:33.11 | jelly-home | Gadien: does "sudo -i" give you a root shell to work in? |
| 16:33.16 | rjj | karlpinc: this whole logrotate business doesn't seem to be going well. |
| 16:33.19 | caravel | Gadien: on Ubuntu, the first user during install, automatically has sudo privilege I think |
| 16:33.30 | Gadien | caravel, Yes, that's what I'm saying. but I have no history of it |
| 16:33.50 | caravel | Gadien: what do you mean by "no history" ? |
| 16:34.10 | Gadien | caravel, ok, I'll just ask ubuntu about it. |
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| 16:34.29 | karlpinc | rjj: If you're compressing you'd need enough space for the compressed file and the original, during the compression process. |
| 16:34.43 | rjj | well, I'm not compressing these big boys at all |
| 16:34.44 | somiaj | pouilet: no need to /msg me, but on debian running the file from amd.com can mess up your debian install in the idea that it puts files in your system that dpkg doens't know about so they could easily get overriden in an upgrade |
| 16:34.53 | Gadien | caravel, cause I didn't have the log to file turned on. |
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| 16:35.10 | caravel | Gadien: so what ? did you install that Ubuntu yourself ? |
| 16:35.11 | somiaj | pouilet: you will most likely just want the fglrx-drivers from non-free on backports (this is the same drivers (maybe a slightly older version)) but put into a debian package |
| 16:35.13 | rjj | I just wrote the config so that it would clean out all the massive logs |
| 16:35.14 | karlpinc | pouilet: See footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 16:35.41 | karlpinc | rjj: Well? |
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| 16:35.55 | rjj | ... it's still running and the logs aren't showing any differences |
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| 16:36.48 | Gadien | caravel, yes, I have a master password I always use.. but it doesn't work and stupid ubuntu didn't give me a choice of root password |
| 16:36.54 | karlpinc | rjj: This is probably why it's not cleaning out the logs automatically. Something's broken. You can use lsof to see what files it has open to see what it's doing-ish. |
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| 16:37.17 | karlpinc | Gadien: sudo wants the password that goes with your username.... |
| 16:37.33 | rjj | I think I might just solve this problem later tonight. |
| 16:37.33 | caravel | Gadien: if you are logged in as the first user defined during install, then, sudo should work with your own password |
| 16:37.54 | Gadien | karlpinc, I've tried it a dozen times |
| 16:38.00 | karlpinc | rjj: Meanwhile, you can use a separate config file that does just the logs you're interested in. |
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| 16:38.27 | caravel | Gadien: and what error do you get ? unauthorised ? |
| 16:38.46 | karlpinc | rjj: Or just "echo -n '' > /var/wahteverlog" will empty the log file, but you'd need to restart or otherwise signal the daemons that have it open in order to recover the disk space. |
| 16:38.49 | Gadien | caravel, well my user password doesn't work for this root system |
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| 16:39.16 | Gadien | caravel, yea gadien@gadien-1000H:~$ su |
| 16:39.17 | Gadien | Password: |
| 16:39.17 | Gadien | su: Authentication failure |
| 16:39.18 | caravel | Gadien: you don't need "root system". Just open a console as your user, and type sudo su - |
| 16:39.31 | karlpinc | !tell Gadien about paste |
| 16:39.39 | karlpinc | Gadien: (fyi) |
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| 16:40.34 | Gadien | karlpinc, I have to superuse the superuser? |
| 16:40.59 | karlpinc | Gadien: No. What prompt are you getting? "$" or "#"? |
| 16:41.20 | caravel | Gadien: sudo gives you privilege elevation. su - logs you in as root. Since you are a sudoer, you're not asked for any pwd else than yours |
| 16:41.29 | Gadien | # I'm now root |
| 16:41.43 | karlpinc | Gadien: Ok. You're root. You don't need sudo or su. |
| 16:41.51 | caravel | Gadien: congrats, now you can do your cat my.iso /dev/sdX |
| 16:42.06 | caravel | sorry, missing > :) |
| 16:42.20 | \\z | I'm getting a weird error when trying to finish the update... |
| 16:42.23 | \\z | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (--configure): |
| 16:42.24 | \\z | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.24 | dpkg | \\z: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 16:42.42 | \\z | Mhk |
| 16:42.50 | dvs | !tell \\z about paste |
| 16:43.17 | Gadien | karlpinc, thanks, but I wish to god it would do it with sudo as username |
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| 16:43.38 | bklive | just use su -c 'whatever you want' |
| 16:43.42 | \\z | I can't even scroll up far enough for the whole output x.x |
| 16:43.54 | dvs | !tell \\z about pastebinit |
| 16:43.55 | bklive | \\z: use less |
| 16:43.57 | jelly-home | \\z: grab as much as you can, then |
| 16:43.57 | caravel | bklive: Gadien is still on Ubuntu, no root pwd |
| 16:44.13 | bklive | sudo passwd root lol |
| 16:44.18 | caravel | :) |
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| 16:44.38 | caravel | bklive: it's just to permit doing the cat iso > usb key ^^ |
| 16:44.44 | caravel | anyway |
| 16:45.19 | \\z | http://pastebin.com/zpjkv9qF |
| 16:45.29 | caravel | wonders why sudo 'cat my.iso > /dev/sdZ' wouldn't work ^^ |
| 16:45.33 | Gadien | caravel, so ubuntu IS the cause.. what do you mean by root print working directory? |
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| 16:45.47 | bklive | why not 'dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdX' |
| 16:46.25 | dvs | bklive: That'll work too. |
| 16:46.36 | \\z | Um, I got the error above when I was trying to fix it... I read on a thread that it helped to uninstall grub, which I didn't even have installed |
| 16:46.41 | \\z | The error is the same though |
| 16:46.46 | \\z | I'll make a new paste of the update |
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| 16:47.56 | caravel | Gadien: no, by pwd I meant password |
| 16:48.06 | Gadien | caravel, this is what I mean about restrictions, (if I was talking to you about it) Ubuntu restricts you from doing it the convetional way rather than Debian giving you a root password to use |
| 16:48.22 | themill | \\z: do you have the "grub-pc" package installed? |
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| 16:48.40 | Gadien | caravel, oic, thanks |
| 16:48.44 | caravel | Gadien: no, Ubuntu let you do things with sudo |
| 16:48.52 | \\z | themill: I'll check after this |
| 16:49.03 | caravel | Gadien: anyway, did you get your usb stick now ? |
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| 16:49.17 | Guest8927 | ?? |
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| 16:49.49 | Gadien | caravel, I haven't even left this screen yet.. i'll do it shortly |
| 16:50.18 | \\z | http://pastebin.com/EeqaGaDx |
| 16:50.22 | \\z | Full update log now |
| 16:50.47 | Gadien | caravel, is there a root user timeout? |
| 16:50.56 | \\z | And no, no grub-pc installed |
| 16:51.27 | Gadien | I just want to install Debian.. sorry for talking about ubuntu |
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| 16:52.32 | caravel | Gadien: no. There is a sudo timeout, between two sudo commands thou, as user |
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| 16:54.24 | caravel | Gadien: (that sudo timeout is only about prompting password) |
| 16:54.51 | caravel | \\z: I find it real strange that you had no grub installed. How can you boot ? |
| 16:55.09 | Gadien | caravel, np |
| 16:56.07 | \\z | caravel: I told you I'm a newb :\ I don't know much about linux |
| 16:56.15 | \\z | Is grub essential to booting? <_< |
| 16:56.38 | \\z | I'll check aptitude if I have something similar installed.... where should it be in? |
| 16:56.57 | caravel | \\z: well, you need some boot loader ^^ Grub is precisely that. Lilo is an alternative |
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| 16:57.12 | xhhj | Hello! |
| 16:57.13 | \\z | Where would that be in? x.x |
| 16:57.17 | caravel | \\z: ls -la /boot should tell you some |
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| 16:57.42 | xhhj | I'm getting really big fonts in Iceweasel's menus, but not in rendered webpages. What could be the problem? |
| 16:58.04 | karlpinc | caravel: Some people also like syslinux. And why not? It boots everything, but evfi (sp?), and isn't complicated like grub. |
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| 16:58.15 | \\z | Nothing resembling lilo or grub in there |
| 16:58.44 | \\z | vmlinuz, if that means something |
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| 17:00.43 | \\z | Maybe because I was mid-update when the errors started happening? Could that have screwed it up somehow? |
| 17:00.53 | dkr | xhhj: the menus are gtk fonts, the fonts in rendered web pages can be specified by the web pages themselves, you can override them with your own in iceweasel prefs |
| 17:01.21 | dkr | or set a minimum size |
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| 17:01.59 | karlpinc | xhhj: There might possibly be something in |
| 17:02.11 | karlpinc | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 Dunno. |
| 17:02.18 | caravel | \\z: how did you install debian ? |
| 17:02.53 | caravel | karlpinc: sure. grub is default in debian nowadays I think |
| 17:02.55 | somiaj | xhhj: if you want bigger fonts in the webpage hit 'ctrl-+' |
| 17:03.01 | Gadien | might I ask where I can find the kmuto image? |
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| 17:03.10 | somiaj | xhhj: otherwise it is a gtk theme setting or dpi setting |
| 17:03.13 | xhhj | No, I'm trying to make the fonts in the UI smaller. |
| 17:03.40 | caravel | \\z: anyway, better be sure you have a boot loader, or you won't boot again :) |
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| 17:04.09 | haotian | how can I revert these -> http://ideone.com/BBCPq Note: I already ran "ip route del" on terminal |
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| 17:07.12 | dkr | xhhj:perhaps system...prefs...appearance...fonts to adjust? if iceweasel's menus very different from other menus in your system, maybe you have some kind of custom iceweasel theme installed? (add-ons...appearence) |
| 17:07.19 | XonXor17 | Is debian squeeze optimized for hyper-threading? |
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| 17:07.26 | xhhj | dkr: i'm using awesome |
| 17:07.37 | \\z | caravel: I just rebooted with no issues |
| 17:07.39 | valdyn | XonXor17: yes |
| 17:07.54 | jelly-home | XonXor17: it's not "optimized". HT, however, _will_ work. |
| 17:07.55 | XonXor17 | valdyn: thanks |
| 17:07.55 | dkr | xhhj: I've no idea what that is. :) |
| 17:07.59 | valdyn | XonXor17: or no, as you wish, that question makes no sense |
| 17:08.33 | XonXor17 | so I will see no difference in performance? |
| 17:08.44 | valdyn | XonXor17: between what? |
| 17:08.50 | caravel | \\z: your PC is super magic. Do not ever bin it :) |
| 17:09.16 | dkr | caravel: remove a bootloader package doesn't remove it from the mbr |
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| 17:09.29 | caravel | dkr: yeah, it's what I was thinking ^^ |
| 17:09.54 | caravel | dkr: I just don't use the put grub onto the MBR here |
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| 17:09.58 | XonXor17 | I mean if I enable hyper-threading on my computer will I see any difference in performance? |
| 17:10.21 | caravel | s/use the// |
| 17:10.22 | valdyn | XonXor17: if you mean "see" as in objectively notice, no |
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| 17:10.37 | valdyn | XonXor17: if you mean "see" as in "measurable" then probably yes |
| 17:11.00 | valdyn | XonXor17: that should have been "subjectively notice", not objectively |
| 17:11.00 | dkr | "Hyper-threading requires not only that the operating system support multiple processors, but also that it be specifically optimized for HTT,[2] and Intel recommends disabling HTT when using operating systems that have not been optimized for this chip feature." |
| 17:11.23 | XonXor17 | valdyn: oh ok thanks |
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| 17:11.38 | xhhj | OK, I added gtk-font-name="sans 6" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and all appears normal for now |
| 17:11.39 | valdyn | dkr: in that sense debian is optimised for ht |
| 17:11.45 | caravel | \\z: I think you'll need to reinstall grub-pc, otherwise (I think) further kernel updates won't get reflected in grub menu |
| 17:11.50 | XonXor17 | dkr: thats the reason I asked this question |
| 17:11.50 | dkr | valdyn: nod |
| 17:12.34 | dkr | it's odd phrasing we should probably blame on marketers. supporting it doesn't technically mean optimized |
| 17:12.44 | jelly-home | XonXor17: depending on the CPU and workload, you're likely to see none or some benefits. |
| 17:12.52 | valdyn | or a slowdown |
| 17:12.57 | jelly-home | not really |
| 17:13.01 | valdyn | or negative benefits |
| 17:13.02 | valdyn | yes |
| 17:13.18 | XonXor17 | so you're saying I should disable it ? |
| 17:13.19 | jelly-home | valdyn: not with recent HT-capable CPUs, just old P4s |
| 17:13.35 | dkr | valdyn: like being a too hyper kid and bouncing around between cores? :) |
| 17:13.43 | jelly-home | XonXor17: no. We're saying "try it and see". |
| 17:13.55 | valdyn | XonXor17: just use the default |
| 17:14.20 | jelly-home | I could offer anectodal evidence, but it doesn't say much. |
| 17:14.26 | valdyn | jelly-home: how do "new" chips avoid this? by having more duplicate silicon? |
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| 17:14.47 | XonXor17 | ok thanks for the fast responses you guys :) |
| 17:14.52 | jelly-home | valdyn: I have no idea. It just works better. |
| 17:15.01 | valdyn | alright |
| 17:15.07 | dkr | XonXor17: "not optimized for hyper-threading technology (e.g. Windows 2000 and Linux older than 2.4)," debian stable is not older than 2.4 |
| 17:15.15 | jelly-home | For me. On this i3-540. When compiling kernels. |
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| 17:16.57 | XonXor17 | dkr: infact on the documentation it says "Windows XP SP1 is optimized to take advantage of Hyper-Threading technology" |
| 17:17.30 | XonXor17 | dkr: it doesn't mention anything about linux thats why I asked |
| 17:17.39 | valdyn | for all i know winxp before that was not even dual-core enabled |
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| 17:18.40 | hoverbear | Hmmm, anyone know why a iwlwifi driver on an intel Ultimate-N card might have terrible performance in debian (~150 kb/s tops) whereas works fine (1+ mb/s) in windows? |
| 17:19.46 | gadien | might I ask where I can find the kmuto image? If someone said where I missed it cause I had to log out |
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| 17:20.01 | somiaj | !kmuto |
| 17:20.02 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 17:20.26 | haotian | how can I revert these -> http://ideone.com/BBCPq Note: I already ran "ip route del" on terminal |
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| 17:21.43 | gadien | Somiaj why can't I auto complete you name? thankyou |
| 17:22.20 | somiaj | gadien: what do you mean? If tab isn't compliting it might be something wrong with your irc client |
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| 17:22.55 | hoverbear | somiaj: It's because he was using a captial letter most likely |
| 17:23.02 | hoverbear | Some clients are picky |
| 17:23.02 | gadien | somiaj, nvm, it was case sensitive. |
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| 17:25.51 | loki6000 | hi guys anyone used zeroshell before ? i have a little problem, the captive portal authenticates ok, and it routes to the internet from the lan. i am on irc, i can ping etc.. after authentication but for some reason i cannot browse :( any ideas ? |
| 17:26.34 | daGrevis | I have some problems with creating deb package of stratagus ( http://stratagus.sourceforge.net/ ). I need it to compile wargus ( http://wargus.sourceforge.net/index.shtml ). This is what terminal outputs - http://pastie.org/3740093 . |
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| 17:27.18 | \\z | caravel: lol, I have no idea what I'm doing >< fyi this is a virtual server, I had the option to preinstall debian (lenny), which I did |
| 17:27.37 | Woet | \\z: then contact your host that they install a non-EOL version of debian, like squeeze |
| 17:27.58 | \\z | To reinstall I'd have to scrap what I have on there currently and then reconfigure all that shit |
| 17:28.07 | \\z | I'm not quite at that point yet |
| 17:28.17 | Woet | \\z: I have no clue why you would start off with an EOL OS in the first place |
| 17:28.26 | Woet | \\z: or why you would take more than 1 year to upgrade |
| 17:28.27 | \\z | What's EOL? |
| 17:28.30 | Woet | end of life |
| 17:28.37 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: There are reasons. |
| 17:28.39 | Woet | not supported, not updated, security leaks, etc. |
| 17:28.43 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: no, there are not. |
| 17:28.50 | themill | \\z: what's the current output of "uname -r" on that machine? |
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| 17:29.05 | \\z | Woet: I chose the most current version they had on there |
| 17:29.06 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: No, there are reasons you don't know about. The fact that you're ignorant of them does not mean they don't exist. |
| 17:29.13 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: enlighten me. |
| 17:29.23 | Woet | \\z: that's why you should contact them, or just upgrade |
| 17:29.23 | \\z | I had no idea squeeze was even out yet, because everything was working as it should |
| 17:29.27 | \\z | Until now ;p |
| 17:29.28 | Woet | !lenny->squeeze |
| 17:29.30 | themill | jhutchins_wk, Woet: perhaps take it to a /msg ... |
| 17:29.33 | Woet | !+lenny->squeeze |
| 17:29.34 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 17:29.47 | \\z | themill: 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 17:30.04 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: Let's say you have an application that you developed and tested on lenny, then you had to reorganize the company and no longer have the ability to test and certify the app on squeeze. |
| 17:30.04 | \\z | Woet: I'm trying to upgrade right now |
| 17:30.38 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: It may actually be more practical to manually patch security issues than to do a whole system upgrade. |
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| 17:31.08 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: if you can't test/certify an app within 1 year, you're doing something wrong. |
| 17:31.19 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: There are also third party systems that don't necessarily work with the most current releases. |
| 17:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: VMware, for instance, tends to lag. |
| 17:31.48 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: VMware running lenny vs squeeze VMs?! |
| 17:32.08 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: VMware has been it's own OS for quite some time now, it's no longer installed within an OS. |
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| 17:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: I know of specific issues with RedHat as opposed to Debian, but it still happens regardless of distro. |
| 17:33.08 | gadien | what am I supposed to do after installing a package? update? |
| 17:33.18 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: The 3.x kernels are going to throw a lot of third-party things for a loop. |
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| 17:33.56 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: VMware runs on a streamlined version of RedHat that's customized/optimized by VMware. |
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| 17:34.18 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: which has it's own updates and patches, you don't have to update the underlying OS |
| 17:34.22 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Sorry, just saw your suggestion. |
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| 17:34.33 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: I understand if you can't upgrade redhat/centos machine within 1 year, but that's why they're supported for like 10 years |
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| 17:34.51 | daGrevis | I have tons of errors like this when building dep package. http://pastie.org/3740148 Any idea how to fix it? :( |
| 17:34.52 | karlpinc | !tell gadien about readme.debian |
| 17:34.54 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: debian in general makes it very easy to upgrade and can definitely be tested, tested again, certified and deployed within 1 year |
| 17:35.06 | jhutchins_wk | Woet: We're ot, take it to ot or msg please. |
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| 17:35.25 | karlpinc | gadien: Then use the package. |
| 17:35.54 | Woet | jhutchins_wk: upgrading debian seems pretty OT to me :) |
| 17:35.55 | bubba42 | hi I'm new to debian (am a slackware + redhat person) ... on debian where do u install stuff u would on /usr/local on slackware or redhat ? |
| 17:36.29 | dvs | bubba42: that works but /opt is more recent. |
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| 17:36.39 | karlpinc | bubba42: Debian conforms to the <fhs>, just like rh, so /usr/local is fine. |
| 17:37.04 | gadien | karlpinc, thanks |
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| 17:37.19 | somiaj | bubba42: what do you want to install in /usr/local and why? |
| 17:37.39 | karlpinc | dvs: /opt is for corporate kludgeing. |
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| 17:37.59 | techouse | how do i check which package provides me with a library file? |
| 17:38.13 | karlpinc | !tell techouse about apt-file |
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| 17:38.26 | karlpinc | techouse: You can also use -S with dpkg, depending. |
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| 17:38.52 | techouse | karlpinc: k :) |
| 17:39.43 | toxicsgz | Is anyone using the nvidia proprietary drivers with squeeze? |
| 17:39.58 | karlpinc | !tell toxicsgz about anyone |
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| 17:40.33 | techouse | apt-cache: /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10) <-- halp :P apt-file search libz.so.1 returns nothing |
| 17:40.34 | techouse | :/ |
| 17:41.18 | karlpinc | techouse: Did you do a "apt-file update" first? (Gotta do this the first time, at least.) |
| 17:41.18 | kevlarman | ,versions zlib |
| 17:41.19 | judd | No package named 'zlib' was found in i386. |
| 17:41.21 | themill | techouse: nothing in debian files packages in /usr/local |
| 17:41.22 | techouse | ah |
| 17:41.41 | themill | err... "nothing in debian provides files in /usr/local" |
| 17:41.50 | toxicsgz | I ask 'anyone' as those that do might be able to assist me with the installation of this driver? |
| 17:42.39 | karlpinc | toxicsgz: You'd best explain what the problem is that you're having doing the install. |
| 17:42.52 | toxicsgz | So... need help installing nvidia proprietary drivers, or drivers that might enable 1910x1080 resolution. |
| 17:43.06 | techouse | Can't get http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Contents-amd64.gz Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 17:43.07 | karlpinc | !tell toxicsgz about nvidia |
| 17:43.08 | techouse | :/ |
| 17:43.16 | techouse | yea, the server is still lenny |
| 17:43.22 | karlpinc | toxicsgz: (That's all I know about nvidia drivers.) |
| 17:43.33 | techouse | i'm begging the admin to upgrade it for like 6 months already :/ |
| 17:44.02 | karlpinc | techouse: Lenny is out of security support, so that url is gone. |
| 17:44.17 | themill | dpkg: tell techouse about lenny sources.list |
| 17:44.17 | toxicsgz | karlpinc yes I have been there twice now without success. |
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| 17:44.46 | themill | techouse: that sources.list from archive.d.o is there to help you complete the ugprade and for historical interest... not to keep you running lenny indefinitely. |
| 17:45.27 | karlpinc | techouse: (You need to have a fully updated lenny before you upgrade to squeeze.) |
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| 17:45.29 | techouse | nah, i'll grab a sledgehammer and talk to the admin on tuesday |
| 17:45.29 | techouse | :P |
| 17:45.39 | themill | good plan |
| 17:45.40 | techouse | i won't do it via ssh |
| 17:45.43 | techouse | no way |
| 17:45.49 | techouse | not even via ssh+screen |
| 17:46.21 | techouse | + i read that mysql has to be somehow manually fixed from lenny to squeeze |
| 17:46.35 | techouse | so, hell, if i'm paying for it they might as well fix it :P |
| 17:46.40 | karlpinc | !tell techouse about readme.debian |
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| 17:47.04 | toxicsgz | Would like to run 1910x1080 without proprietary drivers if possible, vesa, nv or nouveau? |
| 17:47.05 | jhutchins_wk | techouse: If you upgrade mysql from lenny backports it's not a problem. |
| 17:47.14 | techouse | i want 5.5 |
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| 17:47.23 | techouse | like i got on Fedora |
| 17:47.26 | jhutchins_wk | techouse: I think the release notes explain, it's a pretty simple fix. |
| 17:47.38 | karlpinc | techouse: That stuff is in the readme.debian, and other stuff in the packages docs dir if it's not debian specific. Debian tends to upgrade databases by letting the old package remain and having a procedure for upgrade and then the old package must be manually removed. |
| 17:47.49 | somiaj | toxicsgz: put a copy of your sources.list on a pastebin and then output of 'apt-cache policy nvidia-glx' |
| 17:48.06 | techouse | k, thanx for the info :) |
| 17:48.29 | toxicsgz | somiaj thank you for all your help yesterday, I have not progressed unfortunately. |
| 17:49.19 | techouse | the thing that i noticed and didn't know why it was happening was, that when i exported the local mysql 5.5 data to the server's mysql 5.1 the server got slow on searching the database |
| 17:49.35 | techouse | so i fixed the tables and recreated them and all that stuff |
| 17:49.51 | techouse | but it still got mysqld running at 100% for a simple query |
| 17:49.57 | toxicsgz | somiaj can I PM them to you so I can easily copy and paste your help for later reference, have not set up logs yet. |
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| 17:50.13 | techouse | but on my local mysql 5.5 on fedora it was running normally |
| 17:50.15 | somiaj | toxicsgz: please don't, use paste.debian.net |
| 17:50.15 | Iridos | toxicsgz, usually, the monitor/graphics cards are just queried for available resolutions... sometimes that fails, then you might have to make your own xorg.conf, possibly with modelines. You can make a basic xorg.conf with X -configure (when X isn't already running) - there is no xorg.conf by default, as everything should be autodetected. About modelines, you can /msg dpkg modeline |
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| 17:50.38 | techouse | so...i kinda did an overhaul on those tables and now they work |
| 17:50.41 | techouse | kinda odd |
| 17:50.47 | somiaj | Iridos: he has a fermi (gts 450) card so he'll need stuff from backports which is where he got stuck |
| 17:51.06 | toxicsgz | very stuck :) |
| 17:51.24 | Iridos | somiaj, what kinda card is that? |
| 17:51.52 | toxicsgz | I am not sure it is fermi? |
| 17:51.54 | Iridos | I mean... if accelerated 3D stuff isn't a requirement, shouldn't be hard? |
| 17:51.56 | somiaj | Iridos: just a standard geforce card |
| 17:51.57 | techouse | it's a core |
| 17:52.02 | kevlarman | toxicsgz: geforce 4 series is fermi |
| 17:52.17 | kevlarman | toxicsgz: (and 5) |
| 17:52.23 | Iridos | yeah, just looked |
| 17:52.24 | toxicsgz | ok |
| 17:52.27 | somiaj | Iridos: does vesa support 1920x1080? Yea my suggestion was either nouveau or nvidia-nonfree |
| 17:52.36 | techouse | and 6, those which exist in some odd laptops |
| 17:52.46 | somiaj | problem is you need a 3.1 or newer kernel for even decent 2d support on fermi from nouveau |
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| 17:52.53 | toxicsgz | Correct no need for 3D acceleration |
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| 17:53.35 | kevlarman | somiaj: i think you're still better off with the blob on fermi |
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| 17:54.06 | toxicsgz | Now you are going over my head again :D |
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| 17:54.08 | Iridos | no, I think vesa stops at lower resolutions |
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| 17:54.35 | toxicsgz | how can I see what driver I am currently using? |
| 17:54.44 | somiaj | Iridos: which is why lastnight I was in the process of getting toxicsgz to install a 3.2 kernel from backports (I was just going ot have him use nvidia non-free cause it works ince) but we are stuck getting his backports up |
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| 17:54.54 | somiaj | toxicsgz: still waiting for a copy of your sources.list file |
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| 17:55.29 | Iridos | somiaj, maybe... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg wiki lists that as "HD 1080" |
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| 17:55.37 | toxicsgz | coming |
| 17:55.45 | gadien | how can I find out what file system my sdb flash drive is using? |
| 17:55.50 | Iridos | somiaj, in the SVGA article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVGA |
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| 17:56.31 | Iridos | hm, but svga >vesa? They made a pretty mess out of those standards |
| 17:57.02 | gigilsu | Could someone help me with a configuration problem? My css files are giving me a 404. |
| 17:57.15 | somiaj | gadien: fdisk -l /dev/sdb (it tells you the partition ID which may not be accurate but usually is) |
| 17:57.32 | dvs | or mountr |
| 17:57.35 | dvs | or mount |
| 17:57.40 | gigilsu | I just installed debian squeeze distro but I'm not able to get the site to work properly |
| 17:57.53 | toxicsgz | somiaj where to find sources list in file system? |
| 17:57.58 | somiaj | toxicsgz: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:58.01 | gigilsu | actually, the only page I can get to is home page |
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| 17:58.09 | gadien | somiaj, ty |
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| 17:59.33 | IR9763 | hii |
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| 18:01.12 | somiaj | kevlarman: I actually tried nouveau with a 3.1 kernel and my gtx460 (fermi) and its 2d support worked really nice. The thing I enjoyed most was the kms support that the non-free blob doens'thave |
| 18:01.50 | kevlarman | somiaj: i consider kms a bit of an antifeature :( |
| 18:02.05 | kevlarman | somiaj: it means i can't hotswap drivers |
| 18:02.13 | somiaj | kevlarman: why is that, I really love it with my radeon free drivers on my laptop |
| 18:02.26 | somiaj | ahh yea, that is one annoying thing (having to blacklist drivers) |
| 18:02.34 | kevlarman | somiaj: not even blacklisting |
| 18:02.40 | kevlarman | i mean upgrading drivers without rebooting |
| 18:02.49 | toxicsgz | somiaj sources list. |
| 18:02.51 | toxicsgz | http://pastebin.com/vXs2HUG6 |
| 18:02.53 | kevlarman | (if the tty's are using the driver, you can't unload the module) |
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| 18:03.17 | kevlarman | somiaj: also vdpau making flash use <10% of an 800mhz core is really awesome |
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| 18:03.27 | somiaj | kevlarman: ahh well since the driers are included in the kernels I don't think of updating the driver wth out updating the kernel |
| 18:03.33 | kevlarman | (somehow i'm the only person out there who has 0 issues with flash+vdpau) |
| 18:03.52 | kevlarman | somiaj: if i ran the open source drivers i don't think i could resist hacking them myself |
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| 18:04.06 | somiaj | toxicsgz: so you didn't follow anything I said last night. *sigh* step 1) add the squeeze-backport sources |
| 18:04.25 | somiaj | toxicsgz: first off you will want 'contrib' and 'non-free' |
| 18:04.40 | somiaj | so replace line 7 with 'deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free' |
| 18:04.42 | dvs | toxicsgz: 3) comment out line 5 |
| 18:05.01 | somiaj | toxicsgz: and as I showed you there add that contrib and non-free part to each of your sources line |
| 18:05.10 | somiaj | and yes as dvs said, comment out your deb cdrom line |
| 18:05.11 | toxicsgz | Yes did follow and have the notes, fresh install as wanted to swap HDDs, have some notes, will add it again. |
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| 18:10.33 | \\z | So, any last suggestions on how to fix my situations before I purge everything and do a clean install? |
| 18:10.42 | toxicsgz | Somiaj new source list |
| 18:10.44 | toxicsgz | http://pastebin.com/DM2r1rLx |
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| 18:11.03 | gadien | So, between Ubuntu and Debian, what folders can be shared for a partition? eg: /home and how big should I make them. |
| 18:11.49 | dvs | toxicsgz: You STILL didn't follow all the instructions |
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| 18:12.38 | karlpinc | gadien: The problem with sharing /home between distros is that different application versions sometimes require different configuration file versions. (You could also share /tmp no doubt, if you have one.) |
| 18:12.48 | toxicsgz | I am sorry, very new to debian and very slow :) |
| 18:12.54 | somiaj | gadien: one note with sharing /home is different versions -- what karlpinc said |
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| 18:13.20 | somiaj | toxicsgz: you didn't follow any of what I told you (except add the backport sources) |
| 18:13.24 | somiaj | toxicsgz: comment out line #5 |
| 18:13.35 | somiaj | toxicsgz: add 'contrib non-free' options to all your other sources you may need them |
| 18:13.55 | dvs | toxicsgz: Give dvs all your money |
| 18:13.56 | gadien | karlpinc, ok, so there arent any folders they can share |
| 18:13.58 | dvs | oops |
| 18:14.14 | karlpinc | gadien: One solution is to share /srv, and put a sub-directory in there that will also be a sub-directory in your personal home directory, and just be sure to put everything in there that you want to share. |
| 18:14.27 | somiaj | gadien: you can share /home for the most part (i've done it before across multiple distros) there are just issues dependingon the software you use you may run into. |
| 18:14.48 | toxicsgz | somiaj the gedit file is read only? |
| 18:14.53 | karlpinc | gadien: I've not tried sharing /home much, so can't comment on how much of a problem it will really be. |
| 18:14.58 | somiaj | toxicsgz: you have to edit it as root |
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| 18:15.21 | somiaj | I shared it on a dual boot of debian/gentoo and it worked mostly fine. |
| 18:15.42 | karlpinc | gadien: You can always mount filesystems from other distros, anywhere you like, and see the data that way. |
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| 18:16.21 | somiaj | gadien: if you don't want to deal with possible issues, what you could do is have two seperate directorys in /home say /home/debian_user and /home/ubuntu_user |
| 18:16.32 | gadien | karlpinc, to me, /home is where I put my txt files and pictures.. sound.. no applications run from it (as it shouldn't) |
| 18:16.34 | karlpinc | gadien: So sharing is fine, when mounting filesystems, but different filesystems "belong" to different distros. |
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| 18:16.53 | karlpinc | gadien: Stuff like your browser cookes/settings/etc all go in /home. |
| 18:16.59 | somiaj | gadien: but give both users the same user id in their repsecitve os, that way your user and read/write to both of those directories, but your $HOME is set so you don't have to worry about conflicting config files. |
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| 18:17.06 | dvs | gadien: Run "ls -A" |
| 18:17.16 | dvs | in your home dir |
| 18:17.28 | gadien | somiaj, ok thankyou both |
| 18:17.30 | somiaj | gadien: it is the applicaiton config files we are worried about (not your actual personal data) |
| 18:18.10 | karlpinc | somiaj: I like that solution. And he can symlink folders if he does not what to have to keep track of what's in which of the 2 home dirs. |
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| 18:18.44 | karlpinc | gadien: See the -s option of the ln command. |
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| 18:19.39 | gadien | somiaj, well, as far as I'm concerned, files that are distro dependant shouldn't be in the /home folder |
| 18:19.57 | somiaj | gadien: these files are not distro dependent they are application dependent |
| 18:20.09 | karlpinc | gadien: But where else would you put your personal configuration settings? |
| 18:20.10 | somiaj | gadien: where do you thing gnome/firefox/etc stores the 'user specific' info |
| 18:20.47 | gadien | somiaj, well, thats what I mean't. so FF would be an issue with config files |
| 18:20.49 | somiaj | gadien: again this is only a 'slight' issue and really depends on the software and differences in versions between the two oses |
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| 18:21.51 | gadien | somiaj, ok ty |
| 18:22.02 | somiaj | gadien: $HOME is really the only place a user has full write privlages (cept mayabe /tmp) and so it is the most reasonable place to put user specific config files |
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| 18:22.22 | somiaj | gadien: also all applications by default look for their config files there, so it would take a lot of rewriting code to move that stuff elsewhere. |
| 18:22.31 | somiaj | well user config files (/etc is for system config) |
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| 18:23.42 | toxicsgz | somiaj how to open source list as root? |
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| 18:29.17 | \\z | Ugh... I'm getting the error on everything apt-related now |
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| 18:29.44 | \\z | I can't even remove packages anymore |
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| 18:31.16 | Iridos | ya know... without saying what the exact error is... that's kinda a non-information |
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| 18:31.49 | dvs | Iridos: It hurts when I do this |
| 18:32.22 | gadien | somiaj, karlpinc so, If I don't store LARGE personal stuff like pictures and music (which I don't) the /home folder isn't needed by me, if I want information from the other distro I can just collect it from that disto's /home folder and put it in the current disto /home folder.. I think there should be a folder for non-application dependant files like personal txt files and a picture for your wall paper instead of having 2 copie |
| 18:32.22 | gadien | s of the same thing. |
| 18:32.28 | \\z | Iridos: Sorry, was thinking the people from before were still around |
| 18:32.37 | \\z | Iridos: I tried upgrading from lenny to squeeze |
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| 18:32.40 | \\z | I got this: http://pastebin.com/EeqaGaDx |
| 18:32.43 | Iridos | dvs, take two aspirin and jump around a bit |
| 18:33.04 | \\z | Now I get this dpkg error all the time: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (--configure): |
| 18:33.09 | \\z | subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 18:33.16 | \\z | (Line 158 in the paste) |
| 18:33.25 | kevlarman | is there a way to create a user without a password (and force that user to set one on first login)? |
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| 18:33.52 | Iridos | dpkg, tell \\z about postinstall |
| 18:33.56 | babilen | believes that people will stop using pastebin.com one day ... It is an ad-ridden clusterfuck of a useless website |
| 18:34.21 | Iridos | babilen, talk with the guy who maintains pastebinit, not us! |
| 18:34.25 | kevlarman | (well, i know about passwd -e, but that doesn't help with the user changing his password since it asks for the current one) |
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| 18:34.51 | babilen | Iridos: "-b http://paste.debian.net" |
| 18:34.54 | themill | Iridos: pastebinit doesn't default to pastebin.com in wheezy onwards and can be trivially configured to not do so in sqeeze too. |
| 18:35.02 | babilen | ^ +1 |
| 18:35.10 | themill | (or /msg dpkg pastebinit config) |
| 18:35.17 | kevlarman | babilen: #python has a bot that repastes to an ad-less site :P |
| 18:35.26 | Iridos | themill, I know it can be... but people will keep using the default |
| 18:35.32 | kevlarman | when it sees pastebin.com links |
| 18:35.40 | Iridos | haha |
| 18:35.50 | Iridos | kevlarman, does it solve the captcha when pastebin.com asks for one? |
| 18:36.03 | babilen | hehe |
| 18:36.06 | themill | Iridos: no it doesn't which makes it useless |
| 18:36.07 | Iridos | which it seems to do quite randomly |
| 18:36.15 | kevlarman | Iridos: i have no clue how it works, but i've never seen it fail |
| 18:36.40 | kevlarman | Iridos: i think it just doesn't make enough requests to set off the captcha |
| 18:36.53 | kevlarman | Iridos: also it obviously only request raw links |
| 18:36.53 | themill | kevlarman: it failed the other day when I was in #python |
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| 18:37.48 | Iridos | themill, good to hear it stopped to default on pastebin.com, though... what's the new default in wheezy |
| 18:38.23 | jelly-home | can I hold every package coming from src:nvidia-graphics-drivers easily? |
| 18:39.11 | themill | Iridos: paste.d.n |
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| 18:39.56 | Iridos | \o/ |
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| 18:40.26 | jordanm | jelly-home: aptitude hold '~i~nnvidia-.*'? |
| 18:40.28 | themill | jelly-home: aptitude hold '?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' might work... adding ?installed might be worthwhile. forbid-version might do all you need though |
| 18:41.19 | \\z | Iridos: I'm not sure if I understand completely.... what can I do with these scripts (preinst, postinst, etc.) to alleviate this issue? |
| 18:41.23 | themill | (there are packages from that source package that aren't nvidia-* and I don't know if the deps are strict enough to prevent a partial upgrade) |
| 18:41.49 | Iridos | \\z, fix it :) (or remove the cause why it fails) |
| 18:42.19 | \\z | @.@ |
| 18:42.53 | \\z | Guess this is it for me then :) afk salvaging data to do a clean reinstall |
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| 18:43.39 | Iridos | \\z, the factoid actually tells you how to *ahem* "fix" it if you don't want to bother... but might be worth having a look what causes the error |
| 18:43.48 | Iridos | specially as... this was the kernel? |
| 18:44.29 | kevlarman | so there's no way for me to create a new user other than to tell them what their password is somehow? |
| 18:44.51 | \\z | Iridos: Sorry, I mentioned before I'm not very linux savvyy... this doesn't seem like something I can just fix in the time it would take me to reinstall the entire system |
| 18:45.09 | gadien | I think there may be a problem with my screen resolution... I think some programs are displaying the ok or apply button below the clickable interface. my screen is a 10" eeepc 1000H and display settings only lets me change the width of the screen.. can I change height? |
| 18:45.15 | Iridos | \\z, but... but... what about the learning experience? |
| 18:45.21 | kevlarman | i can't disable password authentication on ssh (even though i really want to), so i really don't like the idea of sending them their password in cleartext |
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| 18:46.40 | \\z | Iridos: Sounds tempting, but this isn't exactly my kind of science :) |
| 18:46.54 | Iridos | kevlarman, you _can_ do what you originall said - give them empty password then force them to change it... only that that's worse than setting some random password and emailing it to people |
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| 18:47.17 | kevlarman | Iridos: well, passwd won't accept an empty password |
| 18:47.23 | Iridos | \\z, you surely mean "not yet" ... and, as we say - it's not rocket science! |
| 18:47.34 | Iridos | kevlarman, it won't? in what stage? |
| 18:47.35 | \\z | Rocket science is more up my alley XD |
| 18:48.10 | Iridos | so this should be easy :) |
| 18:48.17 | \\z | Doesn't look that way @.@ |
| 18:48.27 | \\z | Anyway, need to afk, maybe give it another shot later @.@ |
| 18:48.29 | kevlarman | Iridos: "No password supplied" for the new password |
| 18:48.32 | \\z | Thanks for the patience^^ |
| 18:48.49 | jelly-home | alright, I got aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %v %d' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' to first list the packages in a dpkg -l like output, except for some reason aptitude does not want to limit %p to 30 characters |
| 18:49.03 | kevlarman | Iridos: i'd ideally prefer the password to not work for anything (and for passwd to not ask their current password when they change it for the first time) |
| 18:49.15 | kevlarman | i was hoping passwd -el or something would do that |
| 18:49.51 | Iridos | actually my sshd doesn't allow login with empty password... which is sensible |
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| 18:50.26 | karlpinc | kevlarman: Easy! Just write your own PAM module. ;-) |
| 18:50.37 | kevlarman | Iridos: ah got it |
| 18:50.42 | kevlarman | Iridos: passwd -ed user |
| 18:50.48 | todd | LOL! Product Manager X: "I need a XML feed of one of our sites content to present to a vendor." Dev X: "Use the verve feed." PMX: "But that's RSS" |
| 18:50.52 | todd | picks self up off floor |
| 18:51.26 | kevlarman | but that depends on sshd to deny logins on empty passwords :( |
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| 18:59.45 | karsten | Is there a file viewing tool which allows interactive filtering of visible lines? I'm thinking of something like the ability to run various "grep" filters, but interactviely expand/collapse a file you're actively viewing. |
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| 19:01.57 | karlpinc | karsten: Lordy, sounds like yet another emacs mode. (No idea if there is one.) |
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| 19:02.54 | Iridos | sounds like the command line to me... ls *some*thing*else*txt |
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| 19:04.11 | karsten | karlpinc: There's some stuff like that in vi too with some of its expand/collapse modes. I was thinking emacs as well. Right now I'm just using 'vim -' to read from stdin, then running various filters and undo to revert them. |
| 19:04.40 | Iridos | karsten, perhaps midnight commander? |
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| 19:05.18 | karlpinc | karsten: You want to filter within a file? |
| 19:05.20 | themill | karsten: I think multitail can do that, but it's a lot of keystrokes to define the filters |
| 19:06.01 | karsten | karlpinc: Yeah. Log file, chasing down leads, summerizing info. |
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| 19:06.27 | karsten | Iridos: shell works somewhat, but it's tricky figuring out where to start. |
| 19:06.37 | karsten | Iridos: ... as in -- chopping a file down to the relevant bits. |
| 19:07.06 | Iridos | oh - within a file? I thought you wanted to filter filenames |
| 19:07.41 | Iridos | karsten, I usually just use egrep -v 'things|that|I|don't|want|in|a' file |
| 19:07.48 | karsten | No. |
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| 19:08.17 | karlpinc | karsten: Well, emacs _is_ extensible. Go for it! (Or check the mailing list archives for a script.) |
| 19:08.36 | karsten | I'm thinking "less", but where I can run filters within the viewer itsself. Maybe even save frequently-used filters. |
| 19:08.49 | karsten | karlpinc: Yeah, but does it have a decent editor and file viewer? |
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| 19:08.57 | karsten | ducks |
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| 19:09.24 | karlpinc | karsten: less has &pattern.... |
| 19:09.42 | bytetracker | check out less, |
| 19:10.10 | karsten | There was a point in my life I actually had learned to use emacs and found it useful. Then, unfortunately, had a boss where "if HP didn't include it, it doesn't need to be there". |
| 19:10.13 | karsten | Asshat. |
| 19:10.15 | bytetracker | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2338812/how-can-i-view-log-files-in-linux-and-apply-custom-filers-while-viewing |
| 19:10.23 | bytetracker | http://serverfault.com/questions/117013/how-can-i-view-log-files-in-linux-and-apply-custom-filers-while-viewing |
| 19:10.25 | karsten | karlpinc: Well gawd dayum. |
| 19:10.32 | bytetracker | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?less |
| 19:10.55 | karsten | I ... never knew that. |
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| 19:11.48 | karlpinc | karsten: The option was probably created out of vacuum energy the moment I searched for it in the less man page just now. ;-) |
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| 19:12.08 | bytetracker | lol |
| 19:12.37 | karsten | karlpinc: Fucking quantum eigenprogrammers. |
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| 19:12.51 | karlpinc | wishes there was a magical "what's new and useful" now that I've upgraded document. |
| 19:12.54 | jelly-home | do they even exist |
| 19:13.19 | Iridos | yes, but they're half-dead |
| 19:13.37 | karsten | karlpinc: apt-get changelog <package> |
| 19:13.37 | Iridos | which makes the fucking... half-necromantic |
| 19:13.55 | karsten | First reference I see to @ filtering is Jan 2011. I suspect it's recent. |
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| 19:14.26 | themill | & works in squeeze. Can't say I'd ever heard of it though... you learn something every day! |
| 19:14.28 | karsten | And I can confirm that it's not on an older RHEL box where it would be really fucking useful. |
| 19:14.33 | karlpinc | karsten: Gosh, that's only 3,141 changelogs to read. Why didn't I think of that. :) |
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| 19:14.45 | karsten | karlpinc: so ... where the hell *did8 * you learn this trick? |
| 19:15.13 | karlpinc | karsten: Searched the man page. |
| 19:15.13 | jelly-home | karsten: so make apt-listchanges show/mail you only the NEWS.Debian |
| 19:15.45 | themill | apt-listchanges isn't going to tell you about new features from upstream, as a general rule |
| 19:16.00 | jelly-home | but it often fails to m... yeah. |
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| 19:17.03 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | Hey nerds |
| 19:17.29 | Woet | !ops |
| 19:17.29 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 19:17.39 | Woet | dpkg: ops WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 19:17.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: woet complains about: WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 19:18.11 | karsten | Oooooooh! You can do negative filters. &!pattern == all lines *NOT* matching pattern |
| 19:18.28 | karsten | When's the last time helix was on the channel? |
| 19:18.45 | peterS | in freenode? probably awhile ago |
| 19:18.51 | peterS | (hi karsten) |
| 19:18.59 | karsten | peterS: Hola! |
| 19:19.11 | karsten | I actually met her IRL a few years back. |
| 19:19.19 | peterS | ah yes she did move to the bay area |
| 19:20.36 | abrotman | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW: Do you have a Debian question ? |
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| 19:22.01 | karsten | !win karlpinc |
| 19:22.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, karlpinc! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:22.12 | karsten | karlpinc: Thanks, that's actually pretty much exactly what I was looking for. |
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| 19:23.45 | peterS | whoa ... less &pattern is ... I'm with karsten. Why don't they tell us about these features up front? |
| 19:23.51 | peterS | maybe there was a memo and I missed it |
| 19:24.08 | abrotman | accidental features! |
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| 19:26.19 | Iridos | that's like me and ... forgot ... had integrated the feature 5 years before I noticed |
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| 19:26.25 | Iridos | and never heared about & in less either |
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| 19:27.06 | Iridos | oh, right using + instead of ; in grep |
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| 19:27.28 | peterS | Iridos: you mean in 'find', I assume |
| 19:27.34 | Iridos | err, right |
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| 19:27.49 | jordanm | that's actually part of POSIX |
| 19:27.55 | Iridos | freudian slip... was just looking in greps manpage for what it was, when I remembered |
| 19:28.15 | peterS | jordanm: really? I should see if it's in solaris 10 + 11, which I have handy access to in my day job |
| 19:28.20 | Iridos | but who KEEPS reading manpages of basic programs like find... |
| 19:28.25 | peterS | I did notice they have -print0 and xargs -0 |
| 19:28.29 | Iridos | or their changelogs |
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| 19:29.59 | peterS | jordanm: oh hey. yes, solaris 10 and 11 both mention -exec ... {} + in the manpage |
| 19:30.04 | karsten | Iridos: I read known-program manpages with some frequency. |
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| 19:30.28 | Iridos | doesn't that get very boring over time? |
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| 19:31.04 | catsup | i fucking LOVE upgrading debian |
| 19:31.10 | catsup | stable to stable |
| 19:31.27 | catsup | you sit there and HOPE AND PRAY that it will just work |
| 19:31.33 | catsup | AND IT ALWAYS DOES |
| 19:31.35 | catsup | =D |
| 19:31.45 | Iridos | not always |
| 19:31.51 | abrotman | files complaints in /dev/null |
| 19:31.52 | catsup | oh well that's why you still hope and pray ;) |
| 19:31.56 | peterS | catsup: well, it sometimes bugs you about merging your conffile changes.. |
| 19:32.08 | catsup | peterS: not if you disable that... |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | wonders what catsup is doing that makes "stable to stable" so tricky |
| 19:32.27 | catsup | it's not tricky |
| 19:32.27 | jelly-home | php! |
| 19:32.29 | peterS | he didn't say it's tricky. he's saying more or less the opposite |
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| 19:32.36 | peterS | that you think it'll be tricky and it's always smooth |
| 19:32.39 | catsup | it's glorious |
| 19:32.45 | abrotman | did he mean oldstable to stable ? |
| 19:32.50 | catsup | no no |
| 19:33.02 | catsup | well, yes, that happens to be what this upgrade was |
| 19:33.07 | dawud | is there a known debian-way to build selinux reference policy from upstream sources? |
| 19:33.10 | catsup | but i am talking about upgrading stable in general |
| 19:33.32 | abrotman | why wouldn't it work ? |
| 19:33.36 | peterS | also, stable 'apt-get update' will never suggest that as part of keeping your machine up to date, you install Internet Explorer 9 |
| 19:33.36 | kevlarman | abrotman: i've always found large upgrades far more painful than any suffering sid caused me :\ |
| 19:33.39 | catsup | not just this particular stable |
| 19:33.41 | catsup | abrotman: dude |
| 19:33.43 | peterS | unlike ... some platform stable update tools |
| 19:33.44 | catsup | abrotman: come on man |
| 19:33.45 | abrotman | kevlarman: you're doing it wrong :) |
| 19:34.03 | catsup | abrotman: it's a complicated system |
| 19:34.11 | abrotman | thinks this is the most he's seen peterS in months .. |
| 19:34.18 | catsup | unstable fails to upgrade cleanly on a regular basis |
| 19:34.21 | peterS | probably true |
| 19:34.33 | catsup | the fact that stable seems to almost never ever fail is remarkable |
| 19:34.43 | kevlarman | abrotman: maybe debian stable is less painful than some of my other experiences |
| 19:34.55 | catsup | oh yes, and if you compare it to other distros |
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| 19:35.09 | catsup | which i won't because i'm not here to complain, but to rejoice |
| 19:35.12 | catsup | =D |
| 19:35.14 | kevlarman | but i'd literally have to replace half the packages to make it usable for me :( |
| 19:35.23 | abrotman | then it's not stable |
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| 19:36.24 | somiaj | gadien: orginize your $HOME how ever you want as was mentioned, you can create a symlink between he two home directories, and have them owned by the same user id. |
| 19:36.33 | karsten | The only enhancement I'd like on top of that is something like mutt's filtering, where you can re-edit the filter as you start typing it again. |
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| 19:37.22 | karsten | ... and perhaps an indication of where lines have been dropped. |
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| 19:38.17 | b4h4 | in XChat, how can i disable function when pressing up or down button it shows me a history of commands? |
| 19:38.24 | darkknightcz | someone who understands postfix here? mails from my smtp server are refused by google smtp servers |
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| 19:40.22 | karsten | http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/bugs.html http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/bugs.html |
| 19:40.36 | karsten | From http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/bugs.html it seems to have shown up in version 420. |
| 19:40.41 | karsten | Sorry for the multi-paste, lags. |
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| 19:41.42 | badgoat | hi everybody |
| 19:41.51 | badgoat | there a new web site if you need a nice dual boot ! http://www.linux2deal.byethost4.com |
| 19:42.08 | simonlnu | go away |
| 19:43.39 | simonlnu | doesn't like spammers |
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| 19:44.51 | _live | hi #debian. i'm used to bsd's "tun" and "tap" devices. does debian have a "tap" device or is it encapsulated in the "tun" device? |
| 19:44.58 | gadien | somiaj, thankyou |
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| 19:45.18 | _live | should i look at ifconfig src? |
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| 19:52.16 | darkknightcz | how to pass the greylisting? (mail are getting refused) |
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| 19:55.18 | babilen | darkknightcz: Which greylisting? |
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| 19:56.51 | savemem | i am running squeeze a Pentium III laptop with 256MB. I can NOT upgrade the RAM. I am running X with a light window manager called icewm, i edited /etc/nittab and limited the number of ttys to 2. I am NOT running xdm. What config files can this desktop newbie modify to save more memory? |
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| 19:58.33 | abrotman | savemem: you shold look at the number of services you're running .. |
| 19:59.11 | abrotman | savemem: do you need things like portmap, sshd, telnetd, whatever is running |
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| 20:00.31 | tremon | savemem: for light usage, it should be more than enough. My desktop at rest (squeeze+e17) used no more than 70MB resident, and I didn't do anything special |
| 20:00.47 | karsten | savemem: what abrotman said. Look to see what you're running. 'top' or 'htop' are good at showing you what's using memory (focus on "resident" not total "virt"). |
| 20:00.50 | Iridos | tremon, until you started a browser :) |
| 20:01.00 | tremon | savemem: try uzbl or epiphany (whatever it's called nowadays) as browser, iceweasel is a hog |
| 20:01.02 | karsten | savemem: ... and in my experience, the worst offenders are web browsers. |
| 20:01.07 | tremon | yeah what Iridos said |
| 20:01.10 | karsten | savemem: Essentially: you can't run a graphical one. |
| 20:01.26 | savemem | i am right now. how can i disable sunrpc? do i need avahi-daemon? |
| 20:01.30 | karsten | Pity dillo isn't more usable. |
| 20:01.58 | Iridos | tremon, followed by openoffice :D |
| 20:02.00 | karsten | savemem: No, that's dispensible. |
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| 20:02.10 | tremon | sunrpc can be uninstalled if you don't need nis or nfs |
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| 20:02.21 | tremon | koffice all the way... |
| 20:02.25 | karsten | savemem: What's your goal for this box? For basic shell tools it should be fine. |
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| 20:02.34 | karsten | koffice, abiword, gnumeric, possibly. |
| 20:02.55 | william__ | hello everyone, here can i ask for support help in debian? |
| 20:03.05 | karsten | william__: Yes. |
| 20:03.12 | savemem | karsten: i use my PIII laptop as my desktop machine. I am broke and cannot afford to buy new hardware |
| 20:03.28 | savemem | i am right now. how can i disable sunrpc? do i need avahi-daemon? |
| 20:03.30 | karsten | !tell william__ about ask |
| 20:03.31 | william__ | ok, well my problem with mi video (intel) when i run a page like this http://epaper.orbis.pe/epaper/epaper.html?tpu=Peru21&edi=El%20Otorongo%20&pub=06_04_2012 , when i change the page appear strange flashes of black color, other example is in virtualbox (windows), i open an powerpoint in presentation mode, the video is corrupted and i can't use the machine |
| 20:03.34 | veryhappy | hi guys, i want to install debian from one harddisk partition to another harddisk partition, but now he asks me for cdrom drivers or wants me to use a cdrom drive to install the software, can't i solve this problem that i only use the harddisk? |
| 20:04.09 | karsten | savemem: Um, even some really old hardware would be more capable than that thing. Just saying. |
| 20:04.18 | tremon | !tell veryhappy about debootstrap |
| 20:04.31 | pmo_ | veryhappy, debootstrap |
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| 20:05.30 | veryhappy | thank you guys |
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| 20:05.43 | veryhappy | bye :) |
| 20:05.48 | savemem | karsten: when i got the laptop it was running XP just fine but I did NOT want to keep XP as the OS despite my girlfriend's pleas to keep it because it was a bit faster than debian is right now. |
| 20:05.50 | veryhappy | you've helped me |
| 20:05.56 | sharpk | anyone know why on wheezy system settings>screen, the maximum "turn off after:" is 1 hour and not never? |
| 20:06.00 | sharpk | how do I set it to never? |
| 20:06.55 | tremon | sharpk: you can't (assuming you're talking about gnome3) |
| 20:06.56 | savemem | i am looking at services right now. how can i disable sunrpc? do i need avahi-daemon? |
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| 20:08.19 | sharpk | tremon, yes, I think it is running gnome3, but SERIOUSLY? you can't have the system not turn the screen off? that seems odd? is there something I can modify/download to achieve this? |
| 20:09.06 | tremon | sharpk: I can't speak for the decisions of the gnome team, and enough has been said about that already. Maybe gnome-tweak-tool can help you in this |
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| 20:09.45 | savemem | anyone? |
| 20:10.05 | Iridos | savemem, top oO (or oQ, oN) is your friend? |
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| 20:10.13 | pmo_ | sharpk i suspect the adequate command should be xset |
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| 20:11.01 | savemem | Iridos: i am looking at services right now. how can i disable sunrpc? do i need avahi-daemon? |
| 20:11.16 | Iridos | savemem, someone already answered that up there... |
| 20:11.34 | savemem | cannot see the answer |
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| 20:12.20 | Iridos | <karsten> savemem: No, that's dispensible. |
| 20:12.39 | Iridos | <tremon> sunrpc can be uninstalled if you don't need nis or nfs |
| 20:12.51 | savemem | Iridos: i do not understand that answer |
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| 20:13.19 | robokop | i want to dd zero a the harddisk on a remote system and shut it down afterwards, how do i make sure i can still halt after wiping the harddisk? |
| 20:13.22 | MollocH | Hey Guys, need a little help. I tried to install a little gameserver using hldsupdatetool.bin. I always get an "binary cannot be executed" error. Apparently this is caused by the fact the file is a 32bit application and I'm running 64 bit debian with own compiled kernel (uname -r shows: "2.6.38.2-xxxx-std-ipv6-32"). I tried installing ia32-libs but that didn't help. Any suggestions ? perheaps anything went wrong when I compiled the |
| 20:13.24 | Iridos | why not? |
| 20:13.33 | savemem | Iridos: i do not want to unstall sunrpc, i only want to disable the service |
| 20:13.46 | tremon | savemem: man update-rc.d |
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| 20:14.12 | ompaul | robokop: you can't but you can try - you have your ssh session in there but then you don't have /sbin/shutdown if you zero the disk |
| 20:14.19 | Iridos | savemem, what's the point of having something installed that you don't run? |
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| 20:15.10 | karsten | savemem: If you don't understand the answer, yes, you can get rid fo sunrpc. NIS & NFS are used for file sharing across NFS file mounts in a cluster. |
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| 20:16.53 | tremon | karsten: not just clusters, anything run by solaris servers qualifies. I also prefer nfs to cifs for linux-to-linux networking |
| 20:17.03 | guardian | we're using a samba server that serves thousands / millions of small files (< 4KB), and I was wondering, would an SSD disc help, or would the speed boost be rendered useless by network + samba io latency? |
| 20:18.09 | savemem | karsten, Iridos and everyone here: i am a desktop newbie and this laptop is also used by my girlfriend who used to have a mac and does not like GNU/Linux geekiness, especially cryptic man pages |
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| 20:18.28 | karsten | tremon: My point being: it's generally something you'd worry about in the enterprise, possibly for advanced technical personal computing. Not for general laptop use. |
| 20:18.32 | william__ | how can i see the error of xorg , debian is testing and my version of driver is xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.18.0-1 |
| 20:18.35 | tremon | guardian: have you run bonnie++ on the server directly, on the server via cifs://localhost/ and a client and compared the results? |
| 20:19.07 | tremon | karsten: you're correct, but "cluster" has an entirely different meaning than "enterprise networking" |
| 20:19.23 | tremon | william__: /var/log/Xorg.* |
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| 20:19.42 | savemem | i am looking at services right now. do i need avahi-daemon? |
| 20:19.44 | guardian | tremon: nope! didn't know about bonnie++. i was seeking for others' experience before buying 512GB ssds :) |
| 20:19.56 | guardian | tremon: thank you for the pointer, i'll try that |
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| 20:20.25 | tremon | savemem: no |
| 20:20.59 | MollocH | noone any idea ? |
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| 20:21.49 | tremon | MollocH: does the kernel have 32-bit executable support? |
| 20:22.04 | MollocH | that's a good question |
| 20:22.09 | MollocH | how to check that ? |
| 20:22.35 | william__ | tremon: i see but there aren't (EE) and i have a video corruption |
| 20:23.17 | ompaul | savemem: you could consider looking in a search engine ot work out what avahi-daemon is http://linux.die.net/man/8/avahi-daemon and then workm out what it is, in one persons judgement it is no in another's it may be yes, and both could be valid |
| 20:24.08 | tremon | MollocH: it's somewhere in the kernel config, don't know exactly where. I'd guess under syscall support or executable formats |
| 20:24.21 | MollocH | I'll check that :D |
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| 20:27.19 | MollocH | oh right |
| 20:27.29 | tremon | MollocH: it's likely CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION |
| 20:27.29 | MollocH | ia32 emulation is what I'm looking for I suppose = |
| 20:27.31 | MollocH | ? |
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| 20:27.34 | tremon | :) |
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| 20:28.39 | Iridos | anyway, shouldn't you know if you compiled a custom kernel? |
| 20:29.03 | tremon | william__: it's probably a display bug then, see if you can isolate it or maybe it's already been reported, check http://bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 20:30.24 | MollocH | I'll compile the kernel again with ia32 support :D thanks for your helkp tremo :D |
| 20:30.39 | tremon | MollocH: it's tremon, yw |
| 20:30.47 | MollocH | +n :D |
| 20:30.47 | william__ | tremon: ok i'll search |
| 20:30.49 | tremo | oh yes, indeed... |
| 20:30.51 | tremo | :-/ |
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| 20:35.37 | dawud | has anyone tried to rebuild selinux-policy-default using upstream sources? |
| 20:36.15 | tremon | dawud: I've rebuilt selected modules, yes |
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| 20:37.55 | dawud | tremon: did you need to tweak paths and stuff or simply used upstream? |
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| 20:39.14 | tremon | dawud: I did have to tweak paths. For one, most init.d script paths are different from upstream, and with multiarch, shared library paths are different too |
| 20:40.05 | dawud | tremon: I've read about it (very briefly) from http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/03/06/selinux-debian-2012-03/ |
| 20:40.33 | dawud | tremon: are you by any chance running in (previously known as) strict mode? |
| 20:40.57 | tremon | dawud: yes, without unconfined_t |
| 20:43.35 | dawud | tremon: I'm interested in getting strict to run in a desktop environment, and therefore, defining a consistent way (a 'debian way' perhaps) to pack upstream sources might provide a wider coverage for new modules/software and so forth |
| 20:44.20 | tremon | ah... I'm running it on a non-X server and even then I still have some modules in permissive mode. X is going to take some work I fear |
| 20:44.30 | tremon | dawud: you do know about permissive mode? |
| 20:45.06 | dawud | tremon: I've read some very interesting stuff about permissive domains in Dan's blog, yes. |
| 20:45.12 | tremon | good |
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| 20:46.25 | dawud | tremon: X is not (by far) fully supported in selinux as of today, I'm afraid |
| 20:47.25 | william__ | i'd like to report my bug of xorg in debian, someone know how to do that? |
| 20:47.46 | dawud | tremon: anyways, thanks for the insights. |
| 20:48.04 | tremon | dawud: good luck. I've found #selinux to be especially helpful |
| 20:48.42 | tremon | william__: install reportbug |
| 20:49.07 | william__ | ok i have reportbug |
| 20:49.22 | tremon | then reportbug xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 20:50.33 | dawud | tremon: yep. I tried there, advice was to ask Russell Coker himself (wrt to debian packaging). |
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| 20:51.29 | alechiko | Ive installed debian 6 with luks + dm-crypt. On fedora, the installer sets up a nice graphic front end during the boot sequence that asks for your encryption passphrase. Any chance of something similar like that on debian? |
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| 20:57.07 | Lauthals | Hello |
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| 21:03.54 | firztspawn | errr... forgive my ignorance but what blogposts? |
| 21:04.54 | innociv | How do I view a packet? tcpdump only seems to show them in hex, not human readable ascii |
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| 21:05.12 | nickdurfe | wireshark? |
| 21:05.28 | tremon | innociv: if all else fails, maybe try xxd -r |
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| 21:06.02 | tremon | firztspawn: blog.freenode.net -- currently unresponsive |
| 21:06.13 | innociv | tremon, what would the whole line be if i wanted to listen on port 8080? |
| 21:06.27 | firztspawn | ok ty |
| 21:06.28 | innociv | tcpdump xxd -r dst port 8080? |
| 21:06.39 | innociv | that doesn't work :x |
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| 21:07.57 | tremon | innociv: xxd --help, it's a separate command |
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| 21:08.02 | innociv | oh |
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| 21:10.01 | firztspawn | martinp13 any chance the blog site link can go in the topic for reference? |
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| 21:10.19 | firztspawn | or the FAQ |
| 21:10.19 | innociv | When I try to xxd -r packets.log readable.log I get "^@ FRG^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@" etc |
| 21:11.08 | drhouse123 | innociv: Oo awesome |
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| 21:12.08 | innociv | packets.log looks like http://pastebin.com/ZzNFFYEH |
| 21:13.01 | pmade | I need to place libvirt/qemu vm disk images in /home/libvirt because of disk space issues. But when I do that I get permission denied. I thought it might be SELinux, but apparently it's not running. What's so special about /var/lib/libvirt/images? |
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| 21:14.38 | tremon | innociv: my man tcpdump gives me -A and -w. They didn't work for you? |
| 21:16.23 | innociv | Oh. A does. Didn't see that. |
| 21:16.27 | william__ | tremon: i can't report the bug , Connecting to reportbug.debian.org via SMTP... SMTP send failure: (421, 'busoni.debian.org: Too much load; please try again later') |
| 21:16.39 | tremon | so try again later... |
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| 21:17.21 | Iridos | hehe |
| 21:17.30 | Iridos | "what could this error mean... what should I do about it?" |
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| 21:21.47 | phuzion | What's the procedure for installing something from testing? |
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| 21:23.40 | jordanm | !tell phuzion about ssb |
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| 21:27.45 | Emulatorman | Hi for all, i'm André Silva (alias Emulatorman), a Parabola distro Hacker https://parabolagnulinux.org/hackers/#Emulatorman and i'm porting icedove-10.0.3-3 from Debian to Parabola distro (derivate from Archlinux) using the source code from your distro repo http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ |
| 21:28.17 | Emulatorman | I have a error build bug related from this source code and i put the bug report on Mozilla Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743292 |
| 21:28.26 | alechiko | Ive installed debian 6 with luks + dm-crypt. On fedora, the installer sets up a nice graphic front end during the boot sequence that asks for your encryption passphrase. Any chance of something similar like that on debian? |
| 21:30.06 | Emulatorman | so, if someone to know this build error and can to help me, i would be grateful |
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| 21:34.53 | Lauthals | What is the best IRC-Client for Linux? |
| 21:35.47 | Emulatorman | Lauthals: i use pidgin to talk on irc |
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| 21:36.30 | Lauthals | Emulatorman: I too, you see. |
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| 21:37.00 | Emulatorman | Lauthals: :) |
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| 21:38.09 | Iridos | dpkg, best |
| 21:38.09 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:38.10 | jelly-home | Lauthals: most people seem to use irssi. Or xchat. |
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| 21:38.43 | Iridos | but yeah... pidgin is more a IM thingy... not so overly well suited for irc, perhaps |
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| 21:39.08 | Iridos | although irc isn't so very demanding? |
| 21:39.47 | Lauthals | jelly-home: XChat I have hear befor. Which benefits has these programm? |
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| 21:40.37 | Iridos | weeell... you get a free beer every Sunday... but we're not supposed to tell you that |
| 21:40.46 | jelly-home | hey. |
| 21:41.09 | Iridos | ops, sorry... mum's the word |
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| 21:43.24 | Lauthals | dpkg: low consumption, high performance. Extensive functionality |
| 21:43.24 | Lauthals | Irssi looks nice. But what in the world is *ICB*? |
| 21:43.24 | dpkg | Lauthals: no idea |
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| 21:45.02 | Lauthals | It seen to me that SILC is dead. |
| 21:45.19 | tremon | it's just restin' |
| 21:45.25 | dvs | heh |
| 21:45.30 | kombi | suphp drives me up the wall... how does one debug the thing? |
| 21:46.01 | alechiko | Ive installed debian 6 with luks + dm-crypt. On fedora, the installer sets up a nice graphic front end during the boot sequence that asks for your encryption passphrase. Any chance of something similar like that on debian? |
| 21:46.10 | tremon | hopes to never see su and php in the same word again |
| 21:46.26 | kombi | tremon: it's a package...;) |
| 21:46.46 | tremon | kombi: that doesn't mean I like the combination... |
| 21:47.03 | Lauthals | tremon: I hope so. |
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| 21:47.22 | tremon | alechiko: I guess nobody knows, but RH's boot splash is plymouth and it's available in Debian too |
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| 21:48.14 | kombi | well, I apt-get installed it, checked all configs, restarted apache but to no avail.. |
| 21:48.20 | Lauthals | tremon: A encrypted chat is a nice idea. "Off-the-Record Messaging" is not very popular or wide speaking. |
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| 21:48.54 | kombi | alechiko: you are welcome to help maintain the package! |
| 21:49.05 | gear4 | hey, how could I connect to a VPN from Debian Squeeze ? |
| 21:49.18 | kombi | gear4: openvpn |
| 21:49.31 | gear4 | kombi, connect to .. |
| 21:49.36 | gear4 | not make |
| 21:49.39 | Diopter | gear4: What kind of VPN? |
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| 21:49.50 | gear4 | OpenVPN kind |
| 21:49.57 | gear4 | Can have L2TP |
| 21:49.58 | kombi | ?? |
| 21:50.06 | vlt | ? |
| 21:50.15 | FreezingCold | Could someone provide me with a link on how to create a new user that is able to use sudo in debian? I'm coming from a different distro, thanks! |
| 21:50.21 | Diopter | So install the openvpn package, and use the client. |
| 21:50.27 | gear4 | o |
| 21:50.32 | daemonkeeper | gear4: No. You want IPSec for that. |
| 21:50.34 | gear4 | i thought that was server only .. |
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| 21:50.37 | kombi | FreezingCold: no sudo in debian |
| 21:50.39 | gear4 | ipsec ? |
| 21:50.44 | FreezingCold | kombi: oh |
| 21:50.45 | karsten | FreezingCold: adduser. |
| 21:50.46 | tremon | FreezingCold: man useradd, man sudoers |
| 21:50.49 | karsten | kombi: Wrong. |
| 21:50.49 | trifler | FreezingCold: Create the user and then use 'visudo' to att that particular user to the sudoers list. |
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| 21:51.01 | trifler | s,att,add |
| 21:51.09 | FreezingCold | karsten: so just create a user? |
| 21:51.13 | karsten | FreezingCold: ... visudo and add the user. I think if you add the user to the wheel group they get sudo automatgickally. |
| 21:51.19 | gear4 | i usually make the user, then add to /etc/sudoers |
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| 21:51.33 | gear4 | daemonkeeper, what's IPSec ? |
| 21:51.41 | karsten | gear4: a secret. |
| 21:51.46 | karsten | gear4: What's google? |
| 21:51.54 | daemonkeeper | The answer to your problem. That's how you achieve L2TP |
| 21:51.55 | kombi | the prefered protocol for vpn |
| 21:51.57 | pickcoder | a front |
| 21:52.00 | gear4 | karsten, a social network |
| 21:52.08 | gear4 | email provider |
| 21:52.10 | daemonkeeper | Could you all please stop it? |
| 21:52.12 | gear4 | map locator |
| 21:52.21 | alechiko | kombi: maintain the package? not following |
| 21:52.29 | karsten | gear4: You speak truth. |
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| 21:52.35 | gear4 | :P |
| 21:52.38 | karsten | gear4: ... but can you speak it to power? |
| 21:52.46 | gear4 | sure |
| 21:52.49 | karsten | speaks power to truth. |
| 21:52.50 | gear4 | but where is he ? |
| 21:52.57 | gear4 | no but seriously |
| 21:53.04 | gear4 | I need a graphical interface |
| 21:53.21 | FreezingCold | I get Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode-256color. |
| 21:53.24 | karsten | !tell gear4 about ipsec |
| 21:53.26 | FreezingCold | I'm running debian in a chroot |
| 21:53.31 | FreezingCold | What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:53.38 | karsten | FreezingCold: export TERM=rxvt |
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| 21:53.50 | karsten | FreezingCold: ... maybe |
| 21:53.51 | kombi | alechiko: sorry, I meant help adapt the feature you look for |
| 21:53.53 | gear4 | karsten, what if I don't want L2TP ? |
| 21:53.56 | FreezingCold | karsten: thanks! How can I get that to stick? |
| 21:54.21 | karsten | FreezingCold: glue. |
| 21:54.28 | karsten | FreezingCold: ... or stick it in your ~/.bash_profile |
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| 21:54.55 | FreezingCold | karsten: I'm right now on the root account, should I stick it there? |
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| 21:55.10 | trifler | FreezingCold: You can stick it in /etc/profiles |
| 21:55.31 | b0xxy | anyone able to help? pritty simple question but im having problems wraping my head around it, i want to copy all contents of 1 directory(including subs) into another and force overwrite with out prompting |
| 21:55.40 | b0xxy | copy or move |
| 21:55.45 | karsten | FreezingCold: I find various remote systems don't have termcap entries for various modern terminal types. There's actually a test you can run to see if the terminal exists, and then run a case statement to assign an appropriate value of TERM (rxvt, xterm, linux, ansi, vt220, etc.) if a more useful one isn't available. |
| 21:55.49 | FreezingCold | trifler: at the end? |
| 21:56.02 | trifler | FreezingCold: Your choice. |
| 21:56.09 | alechiko | kombi: maybe it exists though |
| 21:56.18 | karsten | FreezingCold: ... I'm not sure exactly how you're getting the behavior you mention, but importing environments from other systems is usually where I run into it (ssh will pass on the TERM value to the remote system). |
| 21:56.27 | trifler | b0xxy: man cp |
| 21:56.35 | karsten | b0xxy: cp, mv, rsync, tar. |
| 21:56.38 | b0xxy | i know |
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| 21:56.44 | FreezingCold | karsten: I'm chrooting into a debian system |
| 21:56.53 | b0xxy | so cp -a |
| 21:57.01 | trifler | b0xxy: Look for recursive. |
| 21:57.03 | karsten | b0xxy: If your cp or mv are aliased as "<cmd> -i" |
| 21:57.09 | karsten | borsin: ... then unalias them. |
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| 21:57.59 | b0xxy | =$ forgot sudo |
| 21:58.01 | karsten | FreezingCold: Your chroot probably doesn't have the parent system's termcap. If you're going to chroot in there often, then fix it permanently as I noted. If you're only doing this occasionally, 'export TERM=<some_sane_value>' should work for you. |
| 21:58.02 | b0xxy | no wonder wasnt working |
| 21:58.03 | b0xxy | >.< |
| 21:58.05 | b0xxy | thank you |
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| 21:58.38 | FreezingCold | karsten: I stuck it in the /etc/profile, hopefully that'll be enough |
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| 21:58.47 | FreezingCold | I'm using this debian install for only a few programs |
| 21:59.03 | tremon | FreezingCold: alternatively, env -i chroot |
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| 21:59.21 | FreezingCold | tremon: In the chroot or the system? |
| 21:59.35 | karsten | FreezingCold: chroot. |
| 21:59.55 | karsten | FreezingCold: Always in the context of the system that doesn't have the value/termcap entry you need. |
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| 22:00.38 | tremon | FreezingCold: well, I meant replace your chroot cmd with env -i chroot, so outside of it. That's assuming the TERM variable is set by your system xterm, not autodetected from inside the chroot |
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| 22:01.06 | karsten | tremon: nice. |
| 22:01.17 | karsten | And yeah, that should fix it. |
| 22:01.32 | karsten | I think you'll end up with "linux" or similar for the chroot TERM. |
| 22:01.45 | karsten | Though FreezingCold cold tell us for sure. |
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| 22:02.38 | FreezingCold | You guys lost me :P |
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| 22:03.16 | tremon | FreezingCold: how do you enter the debian system in the chroot? |
| 22:03.28 | FreezingCold | tremon: chroot /path/to |
| 22:03.31 | FreezingCold | as root |
| 22:03.43 | tremon | FreezingCold: then try env -i chroot /path/to |
| 22:03.52 | karsten | FreezingCold: 'env' is a command that can be used to tweak your environment (and other useful stuff). |
| 22:04.13 | FreezingCold | tremon: can I do it while running the chroot, or should I do that before? |
| 22:04.15 | karsten | FreezingCold: 'env -i <command>' runs '<command>' with an empty environment. So no TERM inhereted from your current shell. |
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| 22:04.36 | karsten | FreezingCold: 'env -i chroot /path/to/chroot' will be what you want. |
| 22:04.43 | tremon | FreezingCold: neither, instead of |
| 22:04.54 | karsten | FreezingCold: Inside the chroot, run "echo $TERM" and tell me what you get. I'm curious. |
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| 22:05.15 | FreezingCold | rxvt |
| 22:05.18 | FreezingCold | Because we set that already |
| 22:05.20 | krautguy | mhh i burned the .iso-Image of the Testing release on CD, but i can't boot from it :/ |
| 22:05.21 | FreezingCold | with EXPORT |
| 22:06.16 | karsten | FreezingCold: Yeah, but if you start a new chroot shell, and DON'T explicitly set TERM, what do you get? |
| 22:06.43 | FreezingCold | rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 22:06.57 | karsten | FreezingCold: With 'env -i chroot ...' ? |
| 22:07.19 | FreezingCold | karsten: na, normally |
| 22:07.21 | FreezingCold | env: chroot: No such file or directory |
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| 22:07.46 | karsten | env -i /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 22:07.47 | tremon | hrm. env -i `which chroot` /path/to |
| 22:08.05 | karsten | Apparently 'env -i' also nukes your $PATH :) |
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| 22:08.55 | FreezingCold | nothing reports for "echo $TERM" now |
| 22:09.01 | tremon | yay |
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| 22:09.12 | karsten | Try running "less" on some file. |
| 22:09.26 | FreezingCold | tremon: isn't that bad? |
| 22:09.47 | FreezingCold | karsten: command not found |
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| 22:09.57 | tremon | FreezingCold: nope, just means that curses will have to guess |
| 22:10.04 | tremon | FreezingCold: is $SHELL set? |
| 22:10.04 | karsten | FreezingCold: I think you'll get something like "WARNING: terminal is not fully functional" invoking less. |
| 22:10.19 | karsten | FreezingCold: export PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin |
| 22:10.26 | karsten | FreezingCold: ... you've got no environment. |
| 22:10.33 | FreezingCold | karsten: ah |
| 22:10.37 | karsten | tremon: That's set by bash itself, IIRC. |
| 22:10.44 | tremon | methinks root's shell defaults to /bin/sh, which doesn't read /etc/profile |
| 22:10.59 | karsten | ls -l /proc/self/cmd |
| 22:11.13 | karsten | ls -l /proc/self/exe |
| 22:11.21 | karsten | except that points to 'ls'. |
| 22:11.27 | jelly-home | stop ls-ing yourself! |
| 22:11.32 | karsten | ls -l /proc/$PID/exe |
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| 22:12.08 | karsten | erm: ls -l /proc/$$/exe |
| 22:12.10 | karsten | Damn. |
| 22:12.17 | karsten | I'm fergettin' stuff. |
| 22:12.23 | tremon | don't do that |
| 22:12.44 | karsten | tremon: Why? |
| 22:12.48 | kevlarman | echo $0 |
| 22:12.55 | kevlarman | ^far less work |
| 22:13.04 | karsten | Point. |
| 22:13.04 | kevlarman | and works on non-linux unix |
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| 22:13.14 | karsten | Yeah, but is that defined for all shells? |
| 22:13.15 | tremon | karsten: duh. I was cat'ing it instead of ls'ing |
| 22:13.35 | kevlarman | karsten: um, yes |
| 22:13.38 | karsten | tremon: yeah, that would get you into trouble. |
| 22:13.45 | kevlarman | karsten: $0 isn't a special variable anything |
| 22:13.57 | aPpYe | is it possible to disable the prompt in update manager where it asks whether or not you want to do a safe-upgrade and make it always just perform a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:13.59 | karsten | kevlarman: All POSIX shells. But there are some, say, DOS-like shells I wouldn't swear it will. |
| 22:14.07 | karsten | kevlarman: Yes it is. It's a positional shell parameter. |
| 22:14.18 | kevlarman | karsten: which all POSIX shells support |
| 22:14.25 | FreezingCold | Why is it when I'm as a user, tab-complete for a lot of programs doesn't work? |
| 22:14.40 | kevlarman | FreezingCold: did you source /etc/bash_completion? |
| 22:14.53 | FreezingCold | kevlarman: probably not |
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| 22:15.08 | karsten | kevlarman: is csh POSIX compliant? |
| 22:15.09 | Funkadelic | If I start an rsync between A and B, and I initiate that sync from computer C, will that be significantly slower than starting it from computer A or B? |
| 22:15.22 | tremon | FreezingCold: I'm guessing you're tab-completing for binaries in /.../sbin and they aren't in your path |
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| 22:15.53 | FreezingCold | Funkadelic: sorry, are you talking about over ssh or something? |
| 22:15.58 | karsten | notes that he would have to install csh/tcsh on this box to be sure, and is somewhat happy of that fact. |
| 22:16.02 | Funkadelic | yeah |
| 22:16.02 | FreezingCold | if it's syncing from A to B, shouldn't matter how you install |
| 22:16.04 | FreezingCold | *sync |
| 22:16.08 | Funkadelic | If I start it from ssh |
| 22:16.11 | FreezingCold | no, should be the same |
| 22:16.18 | Funkadelic | Oh ok |
| 22:16.19 | FreezingCold | the data isn't touching computer C |
| 22:16.25 | karsten | Funkadelic: The answer to that question would be "it depends", but in most cases, porobably, yes, it would be slower. |
| 22:16.52 | Funkadelic | Even if the data never touches that computer? |
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| 22:17.32 | tremon | Funkadelic: but it will. Unless you're using ssh -3, all traffic will be routed through C's network card |
| 22:17.48 | FreezingCold | tremon: wait, really? |
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| 22:17.56 | FreezingCold | it sounds like he's remotely logging in |
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| 22:18.12 | karsten | Um. Can rsync do third-party transfers? |
| 22:18.29 | tremon | FreezingCold: sound like he's doing rsync //A:/path //B:/path from machine C |
| 22:18.32 | oliva | hi there ... anybody has sucessfully used intelfb at boot? |
| 22:18.51 | Funkadelic | tremen yes, that's what I'm doing |
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| 22:19.31 | Dinkum | Hello Everybody |
| 22:19.38 | Dinkum | I am new to Linux |
| 22:19.43 | Dinkum | and I want to stick to it |
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| 22:19.47 | Dinkum | specially Debian |
| 22:19.54 | Dinkum | I need help |
| 22:20.04 | Dinkum | I just installed Debian Aqueeze |
| 22:20.13 | Dinkum | Squeeze |
| 22:20.15 | \\z | Lucky you |
| 22:20.21 | \\z | I'm still stuck trying to install :) |
| 22:20.23 | Dinkum | and it is telling me that my harddik is full |
| 22:20.34 | Dinkum | I installed it in 2TB harddisk |
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| 22:21.31 | Dinkum | anyone help me please |
| 22:21.48 | karsten | !tell Dinkum about enter |
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| 22:21.52 | karsten | !tell Dinkum about pastebin |
| 22:22.07 | karsten | Dinkum: Run 'df' and pastebin the results. |
| 22:22.09 | tremon | karsten: from the installer? |
| 22:22.38 | Dinkum | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/debian-root 329233 268269 43966 86% / tmpfs 6163920 0 6163920 0% /lib/init/rw udev 6158640 308 6158332 1% /dev tmpfs 6163920 4 6163916 1% /dev/shm /dev/sda2 234297 15838 205959 8% /boot /dev/mapper/debian-home |
| 22:22.39 | karsten | Dinkum: ... alt-F2 or ctrl-alt-f2 should give you a shell where you can run commands. |
| 22:22.42 | karsten | tremon: Point. |
| 22:22.49 | tremon | karsten: apparently not |
| 22:22.51 | karsten | Dinkum: Please do NOT paste to channel. |
| 22:22.56 | tremon | !tell Dinkum about pastebin |
| 22:22.57 | Dinkum | oh ok |
| 22:22.59 | Dinkum | sorry |
| 22:23.20 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.44 | tremon | ah... alignment |
| 22:23.47 | tremon | nvm |
| 22:23.56 | Dinkum | tremon |
| 22:23.59 | Dinkum | what should I do |
| 22:24.04 | Dinkum | i am on terminal |
| 22:24.06 | Dinkum | with root |
| 22:24.10 | Dinkum | access |
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| 22:24.12 | karsten | Dinkum: Try not hitting "enter" quite so much. |
| 22:24.24 | Dinkum | oh ok |
| 22:24.29 | karsten | Dinkum: It makes your IRC posts really annoying to read. |
| 22:24.37 | Dinkum | ok sorry |
| 22:25.02 | karsten | Dinkum: Can you palstebin that output? Or are you on the box directly? From what you pasted, you are NOT out of space. |
| 22:25.12 | karsten | Though /dev/mapper/debian-root is fairly full. |
| 22:25.41 | Dinkum | i don't know palstebin, i am on that system right now |
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| 22:26.06 | karsten | Dinkum: pastebin is a website. |
| 22:26.21 | Dinkum | that is the only system i have, it took me 2 hours to install iceweasel :D |
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| 22:26.46 | Funkadelic | in a single script, can run 2 rsyncs at once? |
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| 22:27.07 | Dinkum | ok I am on pastebin website |
| 22:27.09 | tremon | Dinkum: your root filesystem is only 300MB? |
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| 22:27.28 | Funkadelic | (I'll ask #bash) |
| 22:27.31 | Dinkum | I ask debian installer to do automatic |
| 22:27.55 | tremon | Dinkum: then it definitely screwed up, unless I'm misreading it |
| 22:28.21 | Dinkum | can't I increase it |
| 22:28.42 | tremon | Dinkum: can you pastebin the output of lvdisplay? |
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| 22:29.00 | Dinkum | lvdisplay? |
| 22:29.13 | Dinkum | would you please give me the command |
| 22:29.25 | FreezingCold | I'm getting "failed to fork pty" in my chroot with synaptics |
| 22:29.28 | tremon | Dinkum: if you need to retype it, only the LV names and LV sizes will do |
| 22:29.32 | FreezingCold | What do I need to mount |
| 22:29.36 | karsten | Dinkum: If I'm reading that right, you've got a ~329MB root filesystem and nothing else. That's going to be small by a lot. Definitely not a couple of TB in there. |
| 22:30.10 | karsten | Funkadelic: You can if you background them. |
| 22:30.12 | Dinkum | No I have 2 TB |
| 22:30.30 | Dinkum | How can I show you? |
| 22:30.30 | karsten | Funkadelic: Or use a multiplexer like xargs to run multiple processes. |
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| 22:31.30 | tremon | Dinkum: lvdisplay? |
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| 22:32.53 | Dinkum | in pastebin, I pasted the lvdisplay |
| 22:33.07 | tremon | Dinkum: we need a link ;) |
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| 22:34.01 | Dinkum | http://pastebin.com/40X8jq7T |
| 22:34.42 | tremon | oh boy |
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| 22:34.58 | tremon | that default recipe makes me weep |
| 22:35.01 | pickcoder | haha |
| 22:35.04 | Funkadelic | What port does rsync use? |
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| 22:35.46 | jordanm | Funkadelic: depends on the options you gave it |
| 22:35.53 | Dinkum | i can reinstall but i don't know how to partition manually |
| 22:35.57 | Dinkum | in linux |
| 22:36.13 | tremon | Funkadelic: getent services rsync |
| 22:36.17 | Funkadelic | What port could I check to see if a server is available for an rsync transfer? |
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| 22:37.01 | jordanm | Funkadelic: are you trying to send data or pull from an rsync daemon? |
| 22:37.17 | Funkadelic | I'm first sending to it |
| 22:37.19 | pickcoder | Funkadelic: you can also use ssh if it is available for the transport |
| 22:37.30 | jordanm | 22, and you need to have an ssh account with a valid shell |
| 22:37.45 | jordanm | (on the remote server) |
| 22:37.53 | Dinkum | tremon any medicine for my cure :) |
| 22:38.05 | Funkadelic | Ok cool |
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| 22:38.47 | tremon | Dinkum: to complete the install, you can do the following: lvremove debian/swap_1 ; lvextend -l +100%FREE |
| 22:39.08 | tremon | Dinkum: but you're better off starting over. Don't use the default recipe this time |
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| 22:39.23 | Diopter | Gogo LVM |
| 22:39.30 | tremon | still isn't over the madness of a 22G swap volume |
| 22:39.55 | Diopter | tremon: You should see what it tries to do by default on our 96G RAM boxes :P |
| 22:39.59 | pikkachu | how to pass ntfs-3g specific options to udisks? --mount-options does not work |
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| 22:40.09 | tremon | weeps louder |
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| 22:40.20 | Dinkum | so tremon give me the best proportion for each and i will redo the installation and come back to offer you a coffee :) |
| 22:41.21 | tremon | Dinkum: as a quick pointer, 100M /boot, 2GB swap, 12G /, 4G /var, rest /home |
| 22:41.30 | oliva | nobody here have a working intelfb boot configuration? |
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| 22:41.44 | tremon | flavour as desired |
| 22:42.07 | kevlarman | tremon: i usually hear the advice of twice your ram for swap |
| 22:42.11 | Diopter | I've taken to not separating /var out anymore. And /tmp makes the most sense as a ramdisk. |
| 22:42.13 | kevlarman | (for suspend) |
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| 22:42.38 | kevlarman | tremon: also 12gb / is kinda small if you like to keep old stuff in your package cache |
| 22:42.38 | Diopter | kevlarman: It depends on how much RAM you actually have as to whether that makes sense or not, and you're thinking of hibernate, not suspend. |
| 22:42.47 | kevlarman | Diopter: yeah that |
| 22:42.51 | Dinkum | ok are you sure it is not going to ask me for anything else, and can you tell me in the installation screen what to select manual was the last option i think |
| 22:42.52 | tremon | kevlarman: package cache => /var |
| 22:42.57 | Diopter | ^ |
| 22:43.07 | kevlarman | tremon: ok 4gb is too small for /var then |
| 22:43.15 | kevlarman | i don't generally split it out |
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| 22:43.29 | kevlarman | windows was pissed enough about a 4 partition drive before it :P |
| 22:43.48 | Diopter | Hence the glorious magic of LVM. Or making Windows love GPT. |
| 22:43.49 | tremon | Dinkum: yes, manual. You can keep the defaults for most of the options |
| 22:44.17 | kevlarman | Diopter: i just unplugged my linux drive to install it |
| 22:44.17 | Dinkum | i have 12 Gig of RAM in my PC |
| 22:44.20 | kevlarman | but that was a pain |
| 22:44.26 | tremon | kevlarman: I split off /var for tune2fs settings, /home for easy reinstall |
| 22:44.43 | kevlarman | tremon: what settings do you change? |
| 22:44.48 | Diopter | Dinkum: If you don't plan on maxing it out a lot, then you probably don't need much swap. |
| 22:44.51 | kevlarman | yeah the /home i still do |
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| 22:45.15 | kevlarman | (and /boot because i originally had grub1 and didn't want to deal with getting it to boot from ext4) |
| 22:45.28 | Dinkum | so then I am going to do to what termon said above, right guys I will see you in 40 to 45 minutes then |
| 22:45.55 | jordanm | boot doesn't really need journaling |
| 22:46.36 | Dinkum | ok guys bye |
| 22:46.44 | tremon | kevlarman: depends on the usage, mostly inode ratio (but that's an mkfs setting) and fsck frequency |
| 22:46.46 | Dinkum | hope this time it work ciao |
| 22:46.54 | oliva | I' using video=intelfb:mode=1024x768 |
| 22:46.57 | tremon | kevlarman: and I mount / noatime, but /var relatime |
| 22:46.59 | oliva | with no success |
| 22:47.05 | oliva | am I missing something? |
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| 22:47.31 | oliva | should I somehow disable vesa? |
| 22:47.33 | oliva | how? |
| 22:48.33 | tremon | oliva: my only machine with intel gfx has i915.modeset=0 as boot option |
| 22:48.52 | toxicsgz | opps! lost a HDD :( |
| 22:49.02 | oliva | tremon: do you use intelfb? |
| 22:49.52 | Diopter | toxicsgz: Where'd you see it last? |
| 22:49.54 | tremon | oliva: nope |
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| 22:50.24 | toxicsgz | I las t saw it in the bin :) |
| 22:51.20 | oliva | tremon: thanks :) |
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| 23:13.33 | nsadmin | thinking ahead? |
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| 23:16.29 | Dinkum | Hi Guys, I need help in partiotioning, Debian is asking too many quesions, which are going over my head |
| 23:17.04 | nsadmin | Dinkum, ok, what are you partitioning and why? what has you want to? |
| 23:17.05 | Dinkum | i am on another pc now, and debian pc is right in front of me, is there somebody kind enough to help me out, thanks |
| 23:17.21 | tremon | Dinkum: shoot |
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| 23:17.27 | Dinkum | termon was helping me, I am installing debian squeeze |
| 23:17.33 | nsadmin | BANG! |
| 23:17.40 | Dinkum | Hi Termon |
| 23:17.46 | tremon | jumps up and falls to the floor |
| 23:18.02 | innociv | Wow. I just realized I didn't have logging enabled and forgot who was helping me with my ddos attacks yesterday. Their name started with a D. :/ |
| 23:18.10 | nsadmin | inefficient! |
| 23:18.18 | icecdocorp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.20 | somiaj | Dinkum: do you have anything on that disk you care about (i.e. do you need to save data on any of the partitions)? |
| 23:18.23 | innociv | Diopter I think? :x |
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| 23:18.55 | Dinkum | no nothing i care about right now, it is fully empty with previous deban installation partitions, which i want to remove and make new ones |
| 23:19.16 | somiaj | Dinkum: do you care to customize it, I would just say choose automatic parttionng and use full disk |
| 23:19.18 | tremon | nsadmin: see http://pastebin.com/40X8jq7T for his previous attempt, and why I told him not to use the default recipe |
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| 23:19.22 | somiaj | Dinkum: that way you don't have to make any decisions. |
| 23:19.26 | nsadmin | Dinkum, ok, how large is the drive? I will suggest: separate /boot and separate /home, everything else in / |
| 23:19.34 | Dinkum | 2TB |
| 23:19.39 | nsadmin | that sound good? |
| 23:19.48 | Diopter | innociv: I was. |
| 23:19.50 | Diopter | innociv: Sup |
| 23:19.50 | nsadmin | hmmmm.... |
| 23:19.53 | innociv | I made progress. |
| 23:20.20 | nsadmin | would you like to have a much smaller debian and have a lot of space unpartitioned for something else later? |
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| 23:20.50 | Dinkum | sorry i got dc |
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| 23:21.05 | Dinkum | I am on the page where it says at the end Manual |
| 23:21.07 | innociv | I installed and configured CSF firewall, which basically sets up iptables based on a config. No longer getting cpu usage going sky high, or outgoing network. http://tnypic.net/746b6.jpg |
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| 23:21.52 | nsadmin | I'm thinking: 50g free space at start for primary partitions, then put 200-500g lvm pv after the 50g |
| 23:21.52 | Dinkum | termon ... nsadmin .. sorry guys i got disconnected |
| 23:22.02 | innociv | I can still access ssh during the attacks(maybe because CSF keeps that port open and always accepting the ip of the person who connected in the config), and I can ping the site and the ping time seems fine, but can't actually access the webserver. |
| 23:22.16 | nsadmin | Dinkum, are you interested in lvm? |
| 23:22.22 | Dinkum | yes |
| 23:22.27 | nsadmin | you are? |
| 23:22.30 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 23:22.33 | Dinkum | anything which is good and stay for a long time i am interested |
| 23:22.42 | innociv | I'm guessing it's fudging up of source ips again that is making it block all traffic during attacks. |
| 23:22.56 | Dinkum | but nsadmin please guide step by step thanks |
| 23:23.02 | nsadmin | I find it good myself |
| 23:23.09 | somiaj | Dinkum: lvm is nice if you want to resize things later, but it adds another layer that makes managing partions more difficult. I prefer not using it myself. The choices is yours. |
| 23:23.09 | innociv | In netstat, I see the 200 of the 500 connections all being the same amazon ip. |
| 23:23.17 | nsadmin | ok, just so you know I have other irons in the fire |
| 23:23.28 | innociv | Hm.. I guess what I need to try is exposing public ip, and not hiding it behind cloudflare. |
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| 23:23.39 | innociv | As both replace the remote ip with x-forwarded-for. |
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| 23:23.51 | Dinkum | i will learn later but i should have something good from the beginning so that later i don't have to change, i want to take the full advantage of nsadmin help here |
| 23:24.02 | innociv | Diopter, anyway you said you worked for rackspace? |
| 23:24.12 | innociv | http://www.rackspace.com/managed_hosting/services/security/ddosmitigation/ why don't they show a price of that there? :p |
| 23:24.15 | Diopter | innociv: That is the only way you would be able to do host-side filtering, yes. |
| 23:24.33 | Diopter | innociv: And yes, I do work for Rackspace, though not in the Managed Hosting business unit :P |
| 23:24.49 | innociv | cloudflare is supposed to block the ip's themselves. I don't get it. These attacks don't show up on their dash board. |
| 23:24.52 | nsadmin | so far the drive is blank? |
| 23:25.00 | Dinkum | so i am at "Partition Disk" last option is "Manual" |
| 23:25.09 | Diopter | Probably because it's expensive, if I had to guess. One of those "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" things. But maybe not! |
| 23:25.13 | Dinkum | hmm i don't know i had the previous debian |
| 23:25.18 | nsadmin | what'[s that other partition table type for > 2tb? |
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| 23:25.20 | Diopter | innociv: However, managed hosting = bare metal, and that Is expensive compared to cloud hosting. |
| 23:25.20 | toxicsgz | Hi somiaj. will enabling 'DFSG-compatible Software with Non-Free Dependencies (contrib)' and 'Non-DFSG-compatible Software (non-free) sufice for my purpose? |
| 23:25.24 | innociv | Yeah I bet it is since those routers cost tens of thousands of dollars. |
| 23:25.44 | somiaj | toxicsgz: that is what I told you to do by adding contrib and non-free to the end of your sources.list |
| 23:25.51 | tremon | nsadmin: gpt, don't know if the installer supports it (parted does) |
| 23:25.51 | somiaj | toxicsgz: have you got your sources.list setup like I suggested yet? |
| 23:25.55 | Diopter | innociv: You could easily just open a chat with a sales person on the page there and ask. |
| 23:25.56 | innociv | What sort of annoys me is like.. DDoS attacks would stop if they weren't effective, and there wouldn't be such attacks to begin with. ;\ |
| 23:26.06 | toxicsgz | I thought so :) |
| 23:26.18 | toxicsgz | Working on it now. |
| 23:26.24 | dvs | HUH? |
| 23:26.35 | Dinkum | hmm how can i tell u guys where i am now ..... |
| 23:26.37 | innociv | I bet it's around 1k a month or more :x |
| 23:26.40 | nsadmin | tremon, does it do away with differences between primary/extended/logical? |
| 23:26.49 | innociv | I can't really afford more than $200 a month. Lol. |
| 23:26.59 | innociv | I tried staminus.net and paid $600 for something that didn't work. ;\ |
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| 23:27.04 | Diopter | innociv: How many webheads do you have? |
| 23:27.20 | tremon | yes, no more primary/extended funky business with gpt. Just 32+ partition entries |
| 23:27.26 | innociv | It's just me doing everything. I mainly write php and js/ssj. |
| 23:27.41 | innociv | Have to learn more of server stuff. |
| 23:27.45 | nsadmin | webheads? spiders?! |
| 23:28.34 | nsadmin | Dinkum, what is this machine mostly for? |
| 23:28.45 | somiaj | toxicsgz: show me a copy of your sources.list once you get it working |
| 23:28.54 | nsadmin | oops brb, just realized, clothes |
| 23:28.56 | toxicsgz | I will. |
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| 23:30.08 | Diopter | innociv: webheads = web servers you're load-balancing across |
| 23:30.11 | Dinkum | GNS3, Internet, Movies, Skype, emails, downloads, accessing my real hardware cisco labs |
| 23:30.29 | Dinkum | virtual machines too through vmware |
| 23:30.49 | innociv | Oh. At the moment I only have two sites on lighttpd. Others i've taken down since it's a pain to keep moving DNS around. |
| 23:31.43 | Diopter | innociv: Maybe you'd do well to try out RS's Cloud Servers. There's load-balancers if you need them, and you don't have to proxy traffic in |
| 23:31.47 | nsadmin | Dinkum.so desktop stuff... what cpu you have and how much ram? |
| 23:31.56 | Diopter | So you can do your own filtering if necessary. And like I said, incoming bandwidth is free |
| 23:32.05 | innociv | But can you filter traffic on the load balancers themselves? |
| 23:32.13 | innociv | The problem with amazon's is... you can't. |
| 23:32.18 | innociv | You can open and close ports. That's it. |
| 23:32.37 | Dinkum | it is dell pc XPS9000 |
| 23:32.39 | Diopter | Probably not, as you are unlikely to get a shell into them. |
| 23:32.42 | Dinkum | with 12Gig of ram |
| 23:33.12 | nsadmin | ok, so did you go for the amd64 installer? |
| 23:33.19 | innociv | Seems better to have an actual instance used as a load balancer if you need one since you can filter then direct traffic there. |
| 23:33.20 | Dinkum | yes |
| 23:33.27 | Diopter | innociv: http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/cloud_hosting_products/loadbalancers/technology/ |
| 23:33.47 | Diopter | innociv: They're Zeus boxes. The throttling might be exposed enough to be useful for this purpose. |
| 23:33.52 | nsadmin | ok, with such a large drive you must want to play with other oses from time to time |
| 23:33.55 | Diopter | Since that's exactly what you want to do. |
| 23:34.26 | innociv | exposed enough how? |
| 23:34.33 | nsadmin | and even run multiple oses at the same time |
| 23:34.50 | Diopter | innociv: The dashboard and/or API. |
| 23:34.58 | Dinkum | no |
| 23:35.00 | Diopter | innociv: Read the linkz0r! ;P |
| 23:35.05 | innociv | Since it's a charge by the hour, I am wanting to try it. I had a problem where I can't use ajax push engine behind amazon's load balancer. It'd be good to try and see if I can with rackspace |
| 23:35.08 | Dinkum | i will use vm to run windows if needed |
| 23:36.01 | innociv | Also nice that the load balancers get a static IP. |
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| 23:37.02 | Diopter | innociv: We've got a pretty sweet public cloud, my obvious bias aside :P |
| 23:37.16 | innociv | And if I can ban ips on the load balancer that's great. I can't with amazon. It says "Easily manage who can and can't access". |
| 23:37.33 | innociv | I've heard good and bad things. I will probably try it if/after this next thing fails. |
| 23:37.40 | innociv | Hell even if it succeeds I think i'm going to try it. |
| 23:38.41 | innociv | It looks to be about twice the cost of a reserved amazon instance though, so it'd have to be significantly better. :x |
| 23:38.43 | mirco | Hi all, D-I left me with a non workin |
| 23:38.47 | Dinkum | i want to stick with debian for atlease 1 year, that is how i am planning to learn |
| 23:38.50 | mirco | yaboot.c |
| 23:38.55 | nsadmin | ok, howbout a 500mb /boot outside of lvm, and a 500g pv to put the rest of the partitions in? then you'll have 1.5t unpartitioned space for later |
| 23:39.14 | toxicsgz | somiaj here it is http://pastebin.com/0Ci5wcWE |
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| 23:39.24 | mirco | one and I hope one of you has a hint, tried several opt's but none of them worked out! |
| 23:39.47 | Dinkum | so now i have deleted everything, it is showing me 2TB free space |
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| 23:40.13 | Dinkum | nsadmin: right now you are incharge, make it best whatever you think |
| 23:40.22 | toxicsgz | somiaj if it is correct do i then run apt-get update? |
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| 23:41.13 | innociv | Diopter, the other thing is that all the processing power I need to filter the attacks requires a high cpu cloud instance. I see no such option with rackspace. |
| 23:41.23 | Dinkum | nsadmin: should i go in "configure logical volume manager" |
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| 23:41.56 | nsadmin | Dinkum, first make a 500mb partition |
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| 23:42.09 | Dinkum | how? |
| 23:42.49 | nsadmin | it's in the partitioner, you should be able to make a new partition now... bb in a vew mins, gotta start these clothes |
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| 23:44.20 | Diopter | innociv: You get more CPU cores along with the higher RAM when you choose a larger instance type. |
| 23:44.43 | innociv | well, yeah, but no option for the proportions. |
| 23:44.56 | Dinkum | use as: Ext3 journaling file system .. Mount point: /home ... Label: None |
| 23:45.14 | nsadmin | that's the 500mb? |
| 23:45.26 | Dinkum | yes |
| 23:45.31 | nsadmin | if so change the mount point to /boot |
| 23:45.45 | Dinkum | ok done |
| 23:45.53 | nsadmin | after that make another partition, 500 GGGb |
| 23:46.01 | Dinkum | i double clicked on it and chose /boot |
| 23:46.05 | nsadmin | use as lvm |
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| 23:46.40 | nsadmin | after that, configure lvm |
| 23:46.43 | Diopter | innociv: If you need a more custom solution, as it says, you can contact them :P |
| 23:47.01 | innociv | I see. |
| 23:47.09 | Dinkum | u mean to say first make anothe 500 gb |
| 23:47.19 | innociv | Custom equates to $$$ for me. :p |
| 23:47.25 | Diopter | innociv: Probably. |
| 23:47.38 | nsadmin | yes |
| 23:47.49 | nsadmin | that will be used as lvm |
| 23:47.54 | Dinkum | Mount POint and Label? |
| 23:48.11 | nsadmin | see if you can use as lvm |
| 23:48.34 | Dinkum | before that i have to select done settingup the partition |
| 23:48.35 | nsadmin | or use as lvm pv |
| 23:49.07 | Dinkum | no mount point option doesn't have lvm |
| 23:49.12 | nsadmin | brb, gotta stay on time for tonite |
| 23:50.09 | toxicsgz | Did you get my sources list somiaj? |
| 23:50.19 | somiaj | toxicsgz: been afk one moment |
| 23:50.23 | nsadmin | not mount point, "use as" |
| 23:50.30 | toxicsgz | sorry, np |
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| 23:53.51 | Dinkum | physical volume for LVM |
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| 23:54.26 | Dinkum | now I have .... |
| 23:54.36 | somiaj | toxicsgz: comment out line #5 |
| 23:55.03 | Dinkum | #1 500.0 MB F ext3 /boot -------- #2 500.00 GB K lvm |
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| 23:57.30 | nsadmin | Dinkumok great |
| 23:57.38 | Dinkum | ufff thanks |
| 23:57.45 | Dinkum | now what should i do |
| 23:57.57 | nsadmin | now, get to configure lvm |
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| 23:58.14 | nsadmin | it will say "have to write partition table. want to?" |
| 23:58.24 | Dinkum | yes |
| 23:58.32 | Dinkum | what should i say ... |
| 23:58.33 | nsadmin | and you say yes |
| 23:58.52 | Dinkum | create volume group |
| 23:58.59 | nsadmin | yes |
| 23:59.07 | Dinkum | name? |
| 23:59.29 | nsadmin | umm :) debiandinkum? |
| 23:59.37 | nsadmin | what do you want to name the debian? |
| 23:59.44 | Dinkum | ok |
| 23:59.53 | Dinkum | devices for new volume group |
