| 00:00.16 | nsadmin | you should have exactly one choice |
| 00:00.17 | Dinkum | should i choose 2nd one 500 GB |
| 00:00.22 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 00:00.40 | Dinkum | now... |
| 00:01.06 | Dinkum | create volume group .... create logical volume.... delete volume group ... extend volume group |
| 00:01.57 | nsadmin | we're going to create two logical vols |
| 00:02.04 | somiaj | toxicsgz: that is the deb cdrom line |
| 00:02.22 | nsadmin | one called home, the other called root |
| 00:02.28 | toxicsgz | somiaj |
| 00:02.36 | toxicsgz | opps hang on a moment. |
| 00:02.49 | nsadmin | for now we'll make them pretty small |
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| 00:03.06 | nsadmin | 10g for home, 10g for root |
| 00:03.15 | Dinkum | why small? |
| 00:03.18 | toxicsgz | somiaj http://pastebin.com/R2FCXtyP |
| 00:03.36 | nsadmin | because it's very easy later to alter the size of them |
| 00:03.47 | nsadmin | you will have wayyyyyyyyyyyy plenty room to grow |
| 00:03.58 | Dinkum | :D |
| 00:04.20 | Dinkum | it is asking me logical volume name |
| 00:04.30 | kevlarman | Dinkum: that name is for your benefit |
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| 00:04.41 | nsadmin | home |
| 00:04.46 | Dinkum | ok |
| 00:04.55 | nsadmin | the other will be called root |
| 00:05.23 | Dinkum | done |
| 00:05.41 | nsadmin | so you have both logical vols? |
| 00:05.45 | Dinkum | yes |
| 00:05.55 | nsadmin | ok, you're done configuring lvm |
| 00:05.57 | Dinkum | Finish -- should i select |
| 00:06.16 | nsadmin | this will take youback to the partitioner |
| 00:06.23 | Dinkum | yes |
| 00:07.04 | Dinkum | now I have 10 G of both LV root and LV home + 1.5 TB Free Space |
| 00:07.12 | nsadmin | right now the layout of your 2tb drive is... 500mb, 500gb, and about 1500 gb free/unpartitioned space |
| 00:07.30 | Dinkum | yes |
| 00:07.51 | nsadmin | good... you should be in the partitioner, and you should see the two logical vols in the list |
| 00:08.07 | Dinkum | yes |
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| 00:08.24 | nsadmin | ok, click on the vol called root |
| 00:08.40 | nsadmin | and you should see a detail page for it |
| 00:08.46 | nsadmin | use as ext3 |
| 00:08.50 | nsadmin | mount point / |
| 00:08.57 | nsadmin | finished setting up |
| 00:09.05 | kevlarman | i'd suggest ext4 |
| 00:09.17 | nsadmin | or ext4, your choice |
| 00:09.18 | kevlarman | 10 minute fsck times are just not reasonable on a desktop |
| 00:09.44 | Dinkum | ok ext4 / |
| 00:09.51 | nsadmin | then, |
| 00:09.58 | nsadmin | go to the home vol |
| 00:10.06 | nsadmin | use as ext4 |
| 00:10.11 | nsadmin | mount point /home |
| 00:10.13 | Dinkum | what is small f means after 10 G |
| 00:10.17 | nsadmin | done setting up |
| 00:10.27 | nsadmin | f is "will format" |
| 00:10.40 | Dinkum | ok i am done with /home |
| 00:10.50 | nsadmin | ok, partitioning is done |
| 00:11.08 | kevlarman | (10 minutes was for my 200gb partition that was close to full, i don't want to think about what it would do on my 1tb /home) |
| 00:11.09 | Dinkum | what about my empty 1.5TB |
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| 00:11.22 | nsadmin | use it for something else much later |
| 00:11.27 | nsadmin | :) |
| 00:11.32 | Dinkum | and nsadmin what about /var /usr /bin etc |
| 00:11.45 | nsadmin | they will be in /home |
| 00:11.49 | nsadmin | err no |
| 00:11.51 | innociv | Wow. I set the dns to point directly to my server and suddenly 600mb/sec hit. Rofl. I guess cloudflare and amazing elb was doing something |
| 00:11.53 | nsadmin | they will be in / |
| 00:12.03 | Dinkum | ok automatic |
| 00:12.08 | nsadmin | it will be really easy to change that later |
| 00:12.12 | Dinkum | we don't have to create them |
| 00:12.28 | nsadmin | you can, AND you don't have to |
| 00:12.37 | Dinkum | can i have 500 GB for my download stuff |
| 00:12.39 | nsadmin | again you have wayyyyy plenty of space |
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| 00:12.47 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 00:13.06 | nsadmin | you can set that up after debian is installed |
| 00:13.11 | Dinkum | ok |
| 00:13.18 | Dinkum | so for now what should i do |
| 00:13.35 | nsadmin | tell the partitioner you're done |
| 00:13.40 | Dinkum | Finish Partitioning and write changes to disk |
| 00:13.45 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 00:13.56 | nsadmin | it will now format all the partitions |
| 00:14.02 | Dinkum | swap space error |
| 00:14.17 | nsadmin | oh forgot that :) |
| 00:14.23 | Dinkum | hehehehe |
| 00:14.33 | nsadmin | ok, go back in the partitioner |
| 00:14.38 | Dinkum | ok i m in |
| 00:14.43 | nsadmin | configure lvm |
| 00:15.12 | nsadmin | we may have to make root and home again |
| 00:15.12 | Dinkum | ok |
| 00:15.21 | nsadmin | or maybe not |
| 00:15.21 | Dinkum | no problem |
| 00:15.33 | nsadmin | show configureation |
| 00:15.34 | Dinkum | i am in the lvm config |
| 00:16.10 | nsadmin | what do you see? |
| 00:16.35 | nsadmin | maybe even have to make the vol group again? |
| 00:16.49 | Dinkum | volume group = debian -- Uses physical volume /dev/sda2 (499998MB) --- provides logical volume: Home and root |
| 00:16.52 | Dinkum | no problem |
| 00:16.58 | Dinkum | you want me to delete |
| 00:17.11 | nsadmin | no, create new log vol |
| 00:17.31 | nsadmin | if he has 12g ram, how big swap? |
| 00:17.41 | Dinkum | 1.5 times |
| 00:17.54 | Diopter | That's entirely unnecessary unless you're hibernating. |
| 00:17.55 | nsadmin | ok, so 18g swap |
| 00:17.58 | nsadmin | ? |
| 00:18.10 | Dinkum | ok |
| 00:18.29 | Dinkum | done |
| 00:18.32 | Dinkum | 18G |
| 00:18.39 | nsadmin | Diopter, so if I want my laptop with 4g to be able to hibernate, how much swap? |
| 00:18.41 | frostschutz | m( |
| 00:19.20 | Diopter | nsadmin: At least 4G, + some extra. In that case, 1.5 makes sense. |
| 00:19.27 | Dinkum | so should i choose ext4 |
| 00:19.28 | nsadmin | ok, done conf lvm |
| 00:19.46 | innociv | Diopter, ow that loudbalancer on rackspace charges for incming bandwidth.. |
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| 00:19.48 | Dinkum | hmmno swap area |
| 00:19.49 | nsadmin | dinkum, cool, thanks... been wanting that. |
| 00:19.53 | innociv | incoming* |
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| 00:20.18 | nsadmin | did you call that log vol "swap"? |
| 00:20.21 | innociv | Going to cost me like 5 cents per second. |
| 00:20.28 | pouilet | what does "fglrx: No Matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@0:17:0) found" mean? |
| 00:20.30 | Dinkum | yes |
| 00:20.34 | Dinkum | hehehe |
| 00:20.38 | Diopter | innociv: Do you Need a load-balancer yet? |
| 00:21.00 | Diopter | innociv: Start more simply. Until you're actually Balancing across 2+ boxes, you don't need a LB :P |
| 00:21.00 | nsadmin | ok good, go into the partitioner, click on the swap vol, use as swap |
| 00:21.00 | nsadmin | done |
| 00:21.10 | innociv | Looks like it. I exposed the server directly and hit with 600mbps. Oddly, I can view the webserver with the ip directly but the dns doesn't seem to be working |
| 00:21.11 | Dinkum | yup done GURU |
| 00:21.25 | innociv | well I thought I needed it to filter traffic. |
| 00:21.27 | nsadmin | ok, done partitioning |
| 00:21.29 | Dinkum | now should i say finish |
| 00:21.36 | nsadmin | yep |
| 00:21.51 | innociv | the load balancer having throttling and filtering is attractive. |
| 00:21.52 | Dinkum | installing the base system |
| 00:21.52 | nsadmin | btw, you need to save this :P |
| 00:22.03 | nsadmin | good! you're on your way |
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| 00:22.13 | Diopter | innociv: It is, but you can just filter on your single web-server, if that's all you've got |
| 00:22.15 | Dinkum | ok i am not going anywhere |
| 00:22.38 | nsadmin | so originally you said "help me with partitioning", we're done with that, I'm taking a shower! |
| 00:22.59 | Dinkum | heheheh, ok go ahead, i will disturb you later |
| 00:22.59 | nsadmin | because partitioning makes me feel... so dirtyu... |
| 00:23.14 | nsadmin | anyone can help from here. |
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| 00:24.24 | nsadmin | I'll leave you with this: if you want another 500g, you can make another PV (Physical Vol) and either add it to your existing vol group or make a separate vol group |
| 00:24.51 | nsadmin | then you can add 500g logical vol for, umm, forgot |
| 00:25.00 | innociv | Odd. Seems cloudflare is being derpy |
| 00:25.19 | nsadmin | derpy derpy cloudflare! |
| 00:25.28 | Dinkum | ok |
| 00:25.46 | Dinkum | thanks nsadmin |
| 00:26.09 | nsadmin | and there will be a LOT of people to help you... just ask directly, specific informative concise and -complete- question |
| 00:26.24 | Dinkum | i will try to |
| 00:26.29 | Dinkum | thank you so much |
| 00:26.33 | nsadmin | yep... |
| 00:26.35 | nsadmin | bye! |
| 00:26.37 | Dinkum | i am glad i come to know this chat |
| 00:26.41 | Dinkum | bye |
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| 00:30.39 | pouilet | i have catalyst 12.3 installed (propietary) and compiled module fglrx.ko, and x segfaults with a fglrx: No Matching device section for instance (PCI0@0:17:0) found |
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| 00:56.12 | Dinkum | guys how to install firefox on squeeze |
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| 00:57.57 | wdroberts | the best way is to get it straight from mozilla. are you on a 32 or 64-bit system? |
| 00:58.04 | wdroberts | they offer precompiled downloads |
| 00:58.25 | Dinkum | 64 bit |
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| 01:00.43 | Dinkum | hmm i went to the firefox site and downloaded a file tar.bz2 |
| 01:00.49 | Dinkum | what to do with this file |
| 01:01.36 | wdroberts | that's the 32-bit, one sec and i'll find the 64-bit link (they don't offer it on their website) |
| 01:01.40 | Dinkum | install firefox on squeeze |
| 01:01.59 | Dinkum | sorry the last message is not for this forum |
| 01:02.24 | wdroberts | http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/11.0/linux-x86_64/ -> pick your language and get the .tar.bz2 |
| 01:02.25 | krautguy | Dinkum, here is a video that should show all you want to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYEFEKH8mN4 |
| 01:03.05 | wdroberts | once you download it, you can extract it in your file browser and run it without any special configuration |
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| 01:04.05 | wdroberts | krautguy: now we know that stephen hawking uses debian! o_O |
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| 01:06.51 | krautguy | nah, you could use the video without listening to the "audio" :D |
| 01:07.14 | cantido | or just install iceweasel that is in squeeze? |
| 01:07.32 | carni | my wireless card is intel N-100,,,I have download compact-wireless driver from wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download ,,unpacked and make ,,,then got error message "/sbin/modprode: invalid option --'l' " ,OS is wheezy-amd64 |
| 01:07.33 | krautguy | yes, but that was not the question, i think |
| 01:08.13 | cantido | carni: um why would you need compat-wireless on wheezy.. wheezy has linux 3.2 |
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| 01:09.32 | carni | cantido : can't find wireless |
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| 01:10.02 | carni | cantido "ifconfig -a" ,there is no wlan0 or wifi0 ... |
| 01:10.39 | cantido | have you installed the correct drivers and firmware? |
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| 01:11.13 | Dinkum | krautguy: i did what was shown in the video not working for me :( |
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| 01:11.30 | krautguy | hmm |
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| 01:11.40 | cantido | Dinkum: use iceweasel |
| 01:12.08 | Dinkum | yes it is already there |
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| 01:12.16 | Dinkum | how come it is already there |
| 01:12.44 | carni | cantido: I did not install anything ...so I have use compat-wireless-driver which I use under squeeze,,,it works well.. |
| 01:12.55 | kd123 | If I setup a network proxy via Gnome's Network Proxy setting, does all the connections the computer makes go through that proxy? Even third-party programs? |
| 01:13.08 | kd123 | I'm setting the proxy to go through tor |
| 01:13.32 | thewanderer1 | I've compiled my kernel with an embedded cmdline. however, it does not seem to work right: the arguments are "initrd=\EFI\debian\initrd33.img root=/dev/sda2 ro", but it never loads the initramfs (generated by make-kpkg)... |
| 01:13.48 | bk | hi all :) |
| 01:13.50 | thewanderer1 | however, if I launch it via EFI Shell 2.0 and type the same arguments, it works like a charm |
| 01:14.04 | cantido | carni: compat-wireless seems to be back ported drivers for 2.6 series kernels, you dont want that |
| 01:14.14 | cantido | carni: you should have 3.2 if you are running wheezy |
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| 01:14.53 | carni | cantido: thanks |
| 01:14.57 | kd123 | thewanderer1: have you tried running "update-initramfs -u" |
| 01:15.09 | thewanderer1 | kd123: hmm, the initramfs has just been generated |
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| 01:15.28 | cantido | thewanderer1: the bootloader can override the commandline unless you set the option to only use the embedded one IIRC |
| 01:15.40 | pouilet | i have catalyst 12.3 installed (propietary) and compiled module fglrx.ko, and x segfaults with a fglrx: No Matching device section for instance (PCI0@0:17:0) found.. what do i do? |
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| 01:15.52 | thewanderer1 | cantido: it's searching for sda2, which makes me think that *at least* the root= part works |
| 01:15.59 | thewanderer1 | but maybe it does weird things to backslashes? |
| 01:16.06 | kd123 | thewanderer1, Oh I see that it doesn't even load initramfs |
| 01:16.44 | kd123 | thewanderer1, you could list /dev/sda2 with it's UUID... sometimes the UUID will work and the /dev/sda2 won't |
| 01:16.53 | cantido | thewanderer1: mmm not sure,.. is linux able to load an initrd like that? thats usually the bootloaders job |
| 01:17.04 | thewanderer1 | kd123: I have tried the UUID, same result |
| 01:17.07 | kevlarman | pouilet: did you blacklist radeon? |
| 01:17.23 | thewanderer1 | cantido: as I said, it works with UEFI shell (I'm using UEFI_STUB as bootloader) |
| 01:17.31 | carni | cantido: did you mean compat-wireless do not surpport wheezy(kernel-3.2) yet? |
| 01:17.54 | cantido | carni: compat-wireless backports newer drivers to older kernels.. you have a new-ish kernel |
| 01:18.19 | kd123 | thewanderer1, oh ok |
| 01:18.21 | kd123 | pouilet... have you tried to just use the Squeeze Backports fglrx? |
| 01:18.45 | kd123 | backports version of fglrx is Catalyst 11.4 |
| 01:18.48 | cantido | thewanderer1: the kernel commandline is in the first few lines of output isnt it? do they match? |
| 01:18.57 | thewanderer1 | cantido: I have no idea how to capture that |
| 01:19.06 | thewanderer1 | oh wait... VM! |
| 01:20.49 | thewanderer1 | okay, any ideas how to capture the output in qemu/kvm? |
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| 01:21.51 | cantido | mmm setup a serial console? or take loads of screenshot really quick heh |
| 01:21.58 | toxicsgz | How do I restart X |
| 01:23.03 | kd123 | toxicsgz, "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
| 01:23.12 | thewanderer1 | cantido: no serial console possible - if I pass any boot args, the will override my defaults :/ |
| 01:23.24 | toxicsgz | kd123 thx |
| 01:23.40 | kd123 | toxicsgz, you're welcome |
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| 01:25.09 | reportings | I just tried installing chrome from a package, but after installing it hasn't been put in any of the Applications menus. Anyone know why? |
| 01:25.17 | reportings | I can run it just fine from terminal |
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| 01:28.04 | pouilet | kd123: Oh, i see that sounds perfect.. you mean something like this : http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary but with the apt-get -t backports (i have backports in my sources) |
| 01:28.10 | thewanderer1 | okay, so the cmdline is ok |
| 01:29.05 | kd123 | pouilet... yes, but you have to uninstall the Catalyst 12.1 driver first |
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| 01:29.34 | lorentzfactor | I'm having a serious issue and not sure what is going on.. |
| 01:29.45 | lorentzfactor | when I run apt-get -f install |
| 01:29.46 | kd123 | pouilet, I think the command to install backports fglrx is "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver fglrx-control" |
| 01:29.55 | lorentzfactor | it suggests I remove my ENTIRE system |
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| 01:30.01 | thewanderer1 | so despite the cmdline being correct, the kernel still does not load the initramfs, it seems |
| 01:30.05 | lorentzfactor | apt-cache unmet shows a load of missing deps |
| 01:30.12 | lorentzfactor | but, how to fix my dep tree? |
| 01:30.33 | thewanderer1 | oh wait... the initrd is on FAT32....... |
| 01:31.19 | kd123 | lorentzfactor, this is pretty basic but have you tried updating your sources via "apt-get update"? |
| 01:31.26 | lorentzfactor | yep |
| 01:31.28 | kd123 | that might correct it |
| 01:31.29 | lorentzfactor | did that already :( |
| 01:31.33 | kd123 | hmm... |
| 01:31.37 | lorentzfactor | hang on |
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| 01:32.40 | lorentzfactor | kd123: yeah I did |
| 01:32.43 | lorentzfactor | I dunno what's going on |
| 01:32.51 | lorentzfactor | it says I have like 300 I need to remove |
| 01:33.05 | lorentzfactor | and I'm pretty sure tcpiplib looking stuff doesn't need to |
| 01:33.18 | kd123 | hmm... is your base install squeeze? |
| 01:33.22 | lorentzfactor | yes |
| 01:33.34 | kd123 | ok so it's not trying to update lenny then... |
| 01:33.52 | lorentzfactor | nah |
| 01:34.15 | lorentzfactor | I mean won't it stop working if it uninstalls all that crap? |
| 01:34.21 | lorentzfactor | it isn't wanting to replace it with anything |
| 01:34.28 | lorentzfactor | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:34.37 | kd123 | you could comment out your /etc/apt/sources.list file... apt-get update... this might clear something and then uncomment the file and run apt-get update again |
| 01:34.39 | lorentzfactor | I'd expect not upgraded to pop, were it trying to upgrade things |
| 01:34.54 | kd123 | yeah... I think it'd break your system |
| 01:34.57 | lorentzfactor | can I just move it to another name and try? |
| 01:35.14 | lorentzfactor | and just update and go? |
| 01:35.18 | lorentzfactor | or is that needed |
| 01:35.29 | kd123 | sure you could rename sources.list to like sources-backup.list |
| 01:35.34 | lorentzfactor | lolyeh |
| 01:35.36 | lorentzfactor | ok |
| 01:35.38 | lorentzfactor | lemme try this |
| 01:35.41 | kd123 | ok |
| 01:37.00 | lorentzfactor | I don't even know tbh lol |
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| 01:37.23 | lorentzfactor | debian's package mgmt is one of those things you don't question how it works |
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| 01:38.33 | kd123 | tbh? |
| 01:39.41 | simonlnu | to be honest |
| 01:40.05 | kd123 | ah lol ok |
| 01:40.12 | kd123 | thanks simonlnu |
| 01:40.29 | simonlnu | np |
| 01:42.21 | lorentzfactor | kd123: does apt-get remove do something bad? |
| 01:42.32 | lorentzfactor | should it maybe have been uninstall? |
| 01:42.41 | lorentzfactor | do both exist, what is the diff? |
| 01:43.13 | kd123 | remove is uninstall |
| 01:43.22 | kd123 | remove will uninstall a package |
| 01:43.34 | kd123 | purge will uninstall a package and config files |
| 01:43.46 | lorentzfactor | that's what I thought |
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| 01:43.56 | lorentzfactor | so ok , the guy I'm helping a-g remove python |
| 01:44.04 | lorentzfactor | cos he needed a higher version for something |
| 01:44.11 | lorentzfactor | and apt wouldn't do it |
| 01:44.28 | kd123 | you can have multiple version of python installed |
| 01:44.31 | lorentzfactor | he's smart, but never used linux, and I've little with debian's pkg mgr |
| 01:44.35 | lorentzfactor | o |
| 01:44.48 | lorentzfactor | that's nice to know... now |
| 01:44.54 | lorentzfactor | after it uninstalled half of gnome lol |
| 01:45.03 | lorentzfactor | I still don't get that, what caused it |
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| 01:45.32 | kd123 | a lot of stuff in gnome is dependent on python2.6 I think |
| 01:45.52 | kd123 | so by removing python2.6... it probably removed the apps that depend on it |
| 01:46.00 | lorentzfactor | ugh |
| 01:46.19 | kd123 | you can run 'apt-get install gnome' to reinstall all the missing gnome packages |
| 01:46.24 | lorentzfactor | ok see I wasn't expecting that (I come from gentoo and and helping him... we have to manually remove deps with a separate command ) |
| 01:46.36 | kd123 | ah I see |
| 01:46.38 | lorentzfactor | well am helping him. |
| 01:46.48 | lorentzfactor | but still I didn't understand what had happened lol |
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| 01:47.48 | kd123 | It should list the packages it will install... when you run apt-get install gnome... |
| 01:48.12 | lorentzfactor | yeh |
| 01:48.14 | lorentzfactor | it did |
| 01:48.19 | kd123 | you can also do "apt-get -s install gnome" and the "-s" flag will simulate the action so you can see what it's going to install and do |
| 01:48.21 | lorentzfactor | it's been installing for a bit |
| 01:48.22 | kd123 | ok |
| 01:48.27 | kd123 | ah ok |
| 01:48.35 | lorentzfactor | well I don't want him to reboot into - - - - |
| 01:48.55 | lorentzfactor | that half of xorg would prolly leave him with =-\ |
| 01:49.13 | lorentzfactor | So, explain that to me again. Removing a package, strips its deps too? |
| 01:49.19 | lorentzfactor | or rather reverse deps? |
| 01:49.23 | craigevil | yes |
| 01:49.31 | lorentzfactor | how...very...unfortunate. |
| 01:49.42 | lorentzfactor | for him...anyhow |
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| 01:49.56 | craigevil | no how very nice, installing a package also installs its depends |
| 01:49.59 | kd123 | yeah I just ran "apt-get -s remove python2.6" and it removed half of gnome :P good thing I simulated it :) |
| 01:50.14 | lorentzfactor | craigevil: lol well yeh |
| 01:50.35 | lorentzfactor | I'm just not familiar with apt and it's inner workings |
| 01:50.42 | lorentzfactor | spent entirely too much time with portage |
| 01:50.48 | lorentzfactor | not anyone's fault |
| 01:51.06 | lorentzfactor | just he's sorta on dialup speeds, so gnome = 1.5hrs |
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| 01:51.45 | lorentzfactor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.52 | lorentzfactor | whelp... bbl |
| 01:52.14 | kd123 | lorentzfactor... if he needs python3.1 you can install that via apt-get too |
| 01:52.23 | kd123 | apt-get install python3.1 |
| 01:52.37 | lorentzfactor | allrighty |
| 01:52.51 | lorentzfactor | should I stop this download and do that first? |
| 01:53.03 | kd123 | no |
| 01:53.09 | kd123 | let gnome reinstall |
| 01:53.12 | lorentzfactor | heh ok |
| 01:53.18 | kd123 | :) |
| 01:53.25 | lorentzfactor | oh what it's like to be fresh with the nix... |
| 01:53.35 | kd123 | lol |
| 01:53.44 | lorentzfactor | seriously -> LOL... |
| 01:54.00 | kd123 | I'm trying to force all my connections to be routed through tor, I've directed gnome's network proxy to tor.... but I've read that the Network Proxy only recommends programs be routed through the proxy |
| 01:54.01 | lorentzfactor | I was cackling when I get a message "uhm... I tried to remove python, and it deleted gnome!" |
| 01:54.11 | kd123 | lol |
| 01:54.34 | Dinkum | guys i need help in installing skype on debian squeeze |
| 01:54.44 | lorentzfactor | kd123: define programs in this context |
| 01:55.14 | craigevil | Dinkum, download the .deb from the skype website, dpkg -i foo.deb, apt-get -f install |
| 01:55.23 | kd123 | How can I setup iptables to block all connections expect for my tor proxy |
| 01:55.25 | kd123 | dinkum, does skype have a .deb package? |
| 01:55.38 | kd123 | lorentzfactor, umm programs that use udp not just tcp |
| 01:55.39 | Dinkum | let me check |
| 01:55.49 | lorentzfactor | that's everything no? |
| 01:56.00 | kd123 | well yeah lol |
| 01:56.02 | lorentzfactor | I'm confused what it says to ONLY use |
| 01:56.48 | Dinkum | yes skype is there for linux |
| 01:56.54 | kd123 | well with gnome network proxy you put in your proxy settings... but It doesn't force it... some stuff will still go around the proxy |
| 01:57.05 | kd123 | like udp connections I've heard |
| 01:57.08 | lorentzfactor | ah |
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| 01:57.26 | kd123 | so I'm trying to block any connections not using the proxy via iptables |
| 01:57.30 | lorentzfactor | can you wildcard source and proxy exit? |
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| 01:57.39 | lorentzfactor | and block everything else? |
| 01:57.50 | kd123 | wildcard source? |
| 01:58.09 | lorentzfactor | * |
| 01:58.17 | Dinkum | craigevil: which command to run dpkg or apt-get |
| 01:58.21 | craigevil | kd123, why would you want everything to use tor? apt/aptitude will run slow as hell if at all |
| 01:58.30 | lorentzfactor | or something akin to that |
| 01:58.38 | craigevil | Dinkum, both, dpkg wont install the depends |
| 01:58.43 | kd123 | lorentzfactor, ah yeah ok |
| 01:58.58 | lorentzfactor | I just meant if you make only one way in / out. it has to go that route.. |
| 01:59.05 | lorentzfactor | maybe give exception to apt |
| 01:59.21 | kd123 | craigevil, Yeah I know... |
| 01:59.28 | craigevil | not to mention if you stream music/videos they won't play |
| 01:59.59 | Dinkum | what are the complete commands |
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| 02:00.02 | Dinkum | please |
| 02:00.12 | lorentzfactor | well if it's just a broad one in one out proxy, he can drop it for things he's not concerned about ... |
| 02:00.12 | kd123 | craigevil, yeah I'm not going to do streaming on it |
| 02:00.16 | craigevil | torify browser, IM, irc , then use either i2p or a vpn |
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| 02:00.42 | lorentzfactor | either way, best or not. I just for the trivia of it, can you force 100% of traffic through the proxy |
| 02:00.45 | lorentzfactor | and how |
| 02:01.06 | Dinkum | craigevil: dpkg -i foo.deb giving me error |
| 02:01.08 | craigevil | set Gnome proxy settings then set proxy is your bashrc |
| 02:01.23 | craigevil | Dinkum, foo is just an example use whatever the skype package is called |
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| 02:01.33 | Dinkum | oh |
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| 02:02.11 | kd123 | craigevil..... wouldn't you have to use iptables to block all other connections |
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| 02:02.27 | Dinkum | craigevil: so many packages are missing |
| 02:02.44 | kd123 | Dinkum... what you're missing try to install via apt-get |
| 02:02.52 | kd123 | what's it say your missing? |
| 02:03.15 | craigevil | Dinkum, right thats why you run apt-get -f install |
| 02:03.39 | craigevil | dpkg doesn't install depends, you might want to install gdebi since it does |
| 02:03.39 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, craigevil |
| 02:03.48 | craigevil | shutup dpkg |
| 02:05.23 | Dinkum | wow thank you craigevil 2nd command did the trick |
| 02:06.18 | lorentzfactor | lol |
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| 02:07.15 | kd123 | lorentzfactor, I found this https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/BlockNonTorTrafficDebian ... describing how to block all non tor traffic in debian |
| 02:07.19 | kd123 | so apparently it's possible |
| 02:07.20 | Dinkum | guys i need another help, i need to install gtalk can anybody tell me is it possible |
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| 02:07.49 | somiaj | Dinkum: apt-cache search gtalk (try that)? |
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| 02:08.08 | kd123 | Dinkum... find the .deb package for gtalk and then use the gdebi command to install |
| 02:08.23 | lorentzfactor | ah that makes sense |
| 02:08.49 | lorentzfactor | plus your udp hangsout |
| 02:09.07 | lorentzfactor | well I guess it could go through |
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| 02:12.47 | craigevil | there is no gtalk for linux, pidgin will connect to gtalk |
| 02:15.27 | tensorpudding | empathy too |
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| 02:20.08 | vaco | hello... I am looking for some help. I am very new to debian. I just installed squeeze. I am trying to use apt-get but it seems to be referencing to the dvds. I tried looking online for the past couple of day for any references on how to change this and haven't come across anything. Can you guys help me out |
| 02:20.37 | cantido | vaco: comment out the dvd lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:20.46 | craigevil | !tell vaco about sources.list |
| 02:22.03 | vaco | cantido, I have done this but when I do I don't get anything. Yes the dvd issue is gone but I dont know how to set it up so that I can start installing things |
| 02:23.02 | cantido | vaco: you should have some sources that point to http repos.. |
| 02:23.10 | cantido | vaco: and then run apt-get update |
| 02:23.28 | vaco | so the repos should already be there? |
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| 02:23.45 | cantido | I dont have your files, so you would need to check that |
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| 02:26.27 | vaco | haha ok |
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| 02:26.32 | craigevil | vaco, not if you didnt have an internet connection during install |
| 02:26.52 | craigevil | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:27.27 | vaco | I did not have a connection durring install so there are some that are commented out. |
| 02:27.33 | thewanderer1 | so the situation is this: EFI Shell can boot my kernel, but it can not boot itself using EFI_STUB... O.o |
| 02:27.36 | ac_slater | Hey everyone. While installing debian on a newer machine, I get fdisk reporting Partitions aren't aligning to physical sectors. I understand my new disk has 4k sectors as opposed to 512b sectors. How should I install deb knowning this? |
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| 02:28.06 | thewanderer1 | ac_slater: you can use GPT instead of MBR - gdisk will align the partitions automatically |
| 02:28.21 | ac_slater | the will grub1 like that? |
| 02:28.33 | ac_slater | ie - will grub < 2.0 boot that? |
| 02:29.28 | ac_slater | ah nvm I googled it and it will. Thanks! I'll look into it |
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| 02:30.02 | vaco | craigevil: http://pastebin.com/Enb9q3h4 |
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| 02:31.43 | craigevil | vaco, uncomment everything except the cd, and add deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free or a different mirror |
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| 02:32.17 | craigevil | Official Debian mirrors http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 02:32.45 | vaco | thank you I appreciate the help |
| 02:33.50 | ac_slater | thewanderer1: Hate to bother you, I know fdisk likes to report funky things... how can I go about finding the correct sector size of my disk so I know things are working correcty? |
| 02:33.57 | ac_slater | s/correcty/correctly |
| 02:34.51 | thewanderer1 | ac_slater: I have no idea how to query the sector size, maybe dmesg should tell you - but some disks lie. gdisk uses a safe alignment (several MB), though... |
| 02:35.42 | ac_slater | thewanderer1: Ah gotcha. Maybe I'm too much of a newb. Do you think I should trust `gdisk` and it's auto detection? |
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| 02:36.40 | thewanderer1 | ac_slater: yes. however, GPT and gdisk are not used by default in the installer... I partitioned on my own when installing on an SSD before launching the installer. |
| 02:37.05 | ac_slater | thewanderer1: yea that's what I'm working on now, I know enough to do that :p |
| 02:37.13 | ac_slater | thewanderer1: Thanks for the help man |
| 02:37.21 | ac_slater | (or woman) |
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| 02:38.27 | PEPE_LEPU | buenas |
| 02:39.01 | thewanderer1 | ac_slater: and don't forget about that legacy MBR area in case your machine can't boot from GPT for some reason... |
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| 02:39.55 | ac_slater | thewanderer1: I know it can boot from GPT since the previous installation of windows was GPT. But thanks for the heads up |
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| 02:40.05 | Dinkum | Guys i need help - I need tabular telnet and ssh manager for debian linux something like securecrt |
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| 02:49.43 | ectospasm | Dinkum: screen or tmux isn't enough for you? |
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| 02:51.30 | ac_slater | Dinkum: Gnome's remote desktop tool is pretty much tabular and supports telnet and ssh |
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| 02:51.57 | ectospasm | ...or GNOME terminal |
| 02:52.12 | ac_slater | ectospasm: I assume since he asked, he wanted something with a UI |
| 02:52.28 | ac_slater | GUI* |
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| 02:53.22 | ectospasm | but telnet and SSH are text clients... well, SSH has X forwarding, but he didn't mention that. |
| 02:54.14 | ac_slater | ectospasm: "manager" to me says it has features like bookmarkable hosts, tabs (GTK notebook maybe), etc. But you may be right |
| 02:54.49 | ectospasm | I know GNOME Terminal can use bookmarks |
| 02:55.10 | ectospasm | ...I don't really use it anymore, so I can't immediately tell. |
| 02:55.15 | vaco | you guys have any docs that you would recommend for linux noobs? |
| 02:55.20 | ac_slater | rly? I was unaware. Idk, I thought he wanted GUI. Yea, I use urxvt |
| 02:55.33 | ac_slater | ectospasm: ↑ |
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| 02:56.13 | efdal | #net |
| 02:56.51 | ectospasm | vaco: yeah, Learning UNIX (O'Reilly) |
| 02:57.17 | vaco | ok thanks ectospasm |
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| 02:59.48 | Blazember | hi |
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| 03:00.39 | Blazember | i need an old, debian etch iso netinstaller. could anybody help please with the address? |
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| 03:01.46 | somiaj | Blazember: check archive.debian.org |
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| 03:08.49 | Blazember | thanks somiaj |
| 03:09.08 | Blazember | unfortunately i couldn't find there |
| 03:09.27 | Blazember | but this url is my friend: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r7/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 03:09.33 | Blazember | thanks a lot |
| 03:09.34 | _pouilet | i did apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver and when it downloaded it got it from ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 03:10.18 | _pouilet | even though I have deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main in my sources.list |
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| 03:24.46 | solocommand | Hey folks, I'm getting the following error when trying to configure xorg: "(WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de10c5 (Dell M116N [GeForce 405]) at 03@00:00:0" followed by "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." Would that indicate I have the incorrect nVidia driver installed? |
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| 03:28.02 | Konomi | solocommand: Did you install something yourself? It comes with nv and nouveau by default, iirc. |
| 03:28.10 | ectospasm | solocommand: possibly, which one do you have installed? IF you don't know if you've installed the official (non-free) NVidia driver, you probably haven't |
| 03:28.36 | Konomi | is this a Laptop? |
| 03:29.06 | solocommand | I didn't install anything when I installed xorg, but I got noveau errors so I decided to grab the non-free driver installer from the nvidia site |
| 03:29.19 | Konomi | Yeah that wasn't a good idea |
| 03:29.23 | solocommand | D: |
| 03:29.24 | Konomi | that stuff is in the repos already, in a proper format |
| 03:29.38 | Konomi | the nvidia driver actually messes up your system and you have to go back and repair it if you want to use the repo drivers again |
| 03:30.09 | Konomi | but the 2D driver nv should still work; try setting that under the device section /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:30.29 | solocommand | Well on the plus side it doesn't look like it installed, looking at the nvidia-installer.log, gcc version mismatch. Perhaps it only disabled noveau |
| 03:30.39 | Konomi | oh ok, it probably failed then. |
| 03:30.54 | solocommand | I don't have an xorg.conf :/ |
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| 03:31.02 | Konomi | To use the one from the repo, you will need to pull in debian non-free |
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| 03:31.40 | Konomi | Are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:31.55 | solocommand | apt-get |
| 03:32.14 | Konomi | apt-get may cause issues in the long run, it doesn't track dependancies as well, its recommended to use aptitude |
| 03:32.47 | Konomi | in any case backup /etc/apt.sources.list, edit it with nano , find the lines that have 'main' , 'contrib', etc' at the end, and add nonfree |
| 03:33.11 | Konomi | non-free is the exact spelling, sorry |
| 03:33.28 | solocommand | should I bother with apt-get then, or just use aptitude? |
| 03:33.38 | Konomi | They both have the same syntax. Just invoke aptitude instead. |
| 03:33.43 | Konomi | (for the most part) |
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| 03:35.46 | ectospasm | yeah... I use aptitude mostly, since it handles dependencies better. Sometimes that's a bad thing--when aptitude wants to remove a bunch of packages to satisfy some dependencies, apt-get "just works" |
| 03:35.59 | Konomi | apt-get is more direct. |
| 03:36.12 | Konomi | But it can be a double edged blade that bites you one day |
| 03:36.15 | ectospasm | I've wondered if I'm slowly foobarring my system that way |
| 03:36.23 | toxicsgz1 | somiaj thank you very much for all your help :D |
| 03:36.50 | Konomi | solocommand: Oncew you've added non-free, I'm not sure what the exact process is for NVIDIA these days; but I believe you need the package nvidia-glx, dkms and nvidia-kernel-dkms. |
| 03:37.06 | solocommand | Ok |
| 03:37.21 | Konomi | nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings are a good idea too. |
| 03:37.49 | Konomi | Hopefully the proprietary installer hasn't hosed your driver base yet. |
| 03:38.25 | Konomi | nvidia-xconfig creates xorg.conf |
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| 03:39.13 | Konomi | Another minor note: If this is wheezy, The latest NVIDIA drivers do not support kernel 3.3, You need to use 3.2, 3.1, or 2.6. |
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| 03:41.23 | Konomi | solocommand: As for the error you got, the 4xx family was only recently (~1 year) supported by the official NVIDIA drivers, and I don't believe that support has made its way into any Open Source drivers yet. |
| 03:41.47 | innociv | What's an easy way to add multiple iptables rules at once? Do I just add a semicolon behind each line. or a slash? |
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| 03:49.34 | solocommand | konomi: I'm running squeeze. It's an htpc/storage box not a laptop, not sure if I said that. |
| 03:49.45 | solocommand | Just looking around to see if those are the right packages :) |
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| 03:51.25 | Konomi | The packages are probably different on squeeze, not sure. |
| 03:51.38 | Konomi | I'm not sure when debian switched from pure nvidia-glx to nvidia-glx+nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 03:52.26 | Konomi | solocommand: I found a package in the repos called nvidia-installer-cleanup. you should probably run this first. |
| 03:52.37 | Konomi | Just in case. |
| 03:52.55 | solocommand | not finding that package |
| 03:53.06 | Konomi | Meh... I figured squeeze will be different. :P |
| 03:53.07 | solocommand | is that part of non-free? wonder if I have the apt source wrong |
| 03:53.11 | solocommand | lol |
| 03:54.31 | craigevil | ,versions nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 03:54.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-installer-cleanup on i386 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 20111111+1~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 20111111+3; wheezy/contrib: 20111111+3 |
| 03:55.12 | Konomi | I forgot about backports. :) |
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| 03:57.45 | solocommand | Hmm, I see backports and contrib in the update log, but still can't locate that package |
| 03:58.45 | kd123 | solocommand your backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list should look like this -> "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" |
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| 03:58.53 | innociv | can I just put my iptable rules in a bash file and just "sudo sh iptables.sh"? |
| 03:58.57 | kd123 | then run "sudo apt-get update" |
| 03:59.44 | solocommand | I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib backports non-free |
| 03:59.52 | solocommand | Should contrib be seperate as well? |
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| 04:00.33 | kd123 | solocommand no you need a separate backports line... you can't add backports to your normal squeeze line |
| 04:00.34 | innociv | Looks like I can |
| 04:00.36 | craigevil | solocommand, look at what kd123 typed you dont just add "backports" to the normal repo |
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| 04:01.13 | kd123 | solocommand, do you understand? |
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| 04:01.19 | solocommand | Yep. |
| 04:01.47 | acu | I am looking for coolest, most impresive GUI theme - envin - can anyone suggest something ? |
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| 04:02.22 | kd123 | ok |
| 04:02.51 | kd123 | acu, look at compiz |
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| 04:13.14 | solocommand | Ah, I must have missed that |
| 04:13.19 | SleepyKonomi | The one in squeeze is probably too old. |
| 04:13.31 | SleepyKonomi | The drivers in the repos in Wheezy work with a GT 330 at least. |
| 04:13.37 | SleepyKonomi | Dunno about 4xx |
| 04:14.04 | SleepyKonomi | I just checked, they're the same version as the nvidia installer... |
| 04:14.23 | yang | how do you prevent computer going into sleep mode? |
| 04:15.04 | SleepyKonomi | anyway, bed time. Good luck if you find any solution. btw, the gcc mismatch error can be solved by making sure the requied version of gcc is installed, then going sudo su, and finally typing export gcc="gcc-4.5" or similar before invoking the instlaler. |
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| 04:15.35 | solocommand | cool, thanks for your help. |
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| 04:19.39 | ectospasm | yang: you can set the power settings in GNOME's screensaver settings... not sure about KDE |
| 04:20.04 | yang | i see is it acpi/apci related |
| 04:20.45 | vaco | I am trying to setup firfox, but I am running into issues because of iceweasel. I seen online that all external software should go into "/opt" but when I go into opt even as su I don't see anything can you guys help clearify somethings please? |
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| 04:22.09 | littlegirl | Hey there, does Debian offer long-term support on any of its releases? |
| 04:22.13 | r31n | vaco did you move the extracted file to /opt? |
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| 04:23.29 | vaco | re1n: no because I did not want to overwrite iceweasel. I wanted to preserve iceweasel and still have firefox as well |
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| 04:24.37 | ectospasm | littlegirl: as long as old-stable is supported, I'd say "yes" |
| 04:24.57 | vaco | I have firefox extracted in its folder on my desktop and it works fine when I double click on it but I want to set it up properly so it shows up in the application menu and when I type firefox in the terminal it will bring firefox up and not iceweasel |
| 04:25.10 | vaco | those are the end results that I want |
| 04:25.27 | ectospasm | littlegirl: ...but Debian doesn't have the concept of LTS like Ubuntu (or other open source projects) |
| 04:25.50 | littlegirl | ectospasm: Thanks! How long is the old-stable support? Just as a comparison to Ubuntu's LTS schedule. |
| 04:27.36 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell littlegirl about lenny |
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| 04:28.46 | r31n | vaco idk if this will help you but since noone else is saying anything, i think this article might help you |
| 04:28.46 | r31n | http://www.libre-software.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux-mint |
| 04:28.50 | littlegirl | ectospasm: Thanks. So about three years or so, eh? |
| 04:29.16 | ectospasm | littlegirl: looks like it, but that's not a hard and fast rule, afaict |
| 04:30.05 | littlegirl | ectospasm: Do they ever do it in less? My son is looking to replace Ubuntu, but would like to go with something that he doesn't have to upgrade every year or two. (: |
| 04:31.01 | ectospasm | current stable (squeeze) should stick around for another year or two before wheezy becomes stable. |
| 04:31.16 | Crooks_mobile | look at something with a rolling release cycle |
| 04:31.16 | littlegirl | ectospasm: Wheezy is just an absolutely awesome name. (: |
| 04:31.48 | littlegirl | He was happy with Ubuntu, but they radically changed the desktop, so he's shopping around, and doesn't like what I use. (: |
| 04:31.59 | vaco | r31n: Thank you but this is one of the articles that I was talking about, but thank you. I will try and push through ;) |
| 04:32.09 | littlegirl | We also just read that Xubuntu will be basing itself on Debian from October of this year on. |
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| 04:32.20 | vaco | haha double thank you |
| 04:32.31 | ectospasm | littlegirl: if he liked old Ubuntu, he may have good luck with Linux Mint |
| 04:32.59 | littlegirl | ectospasm: Thanks - I'll tell him to check it out. (: |
| 04:33.46 | Dinkum | Guys i need help - I need tabular telnet and ssh manager for debian linux something like securecrt |
| 04:34.07 | ectospasm | Dinkum: have you tried gnome-terminal? |
| 04:34.19 | Dinkum | nope |
| 04:34.55 | ectospasm | Dinkum: it has tabs, supports bookmarks, and can be used for any shell program, not only telnet and SSH. |
| 04:35.08 | Dinkum | how to run or install |
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| 04:39.16 | ectospasm | Dinkum: if you've got GNOME installed, it's already installed. Applications/Accessories/Terminal... |
| 04:40.20 | Dinkum | yes |
| 04:40.31 | Dinkum | but i van't save my connections |
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| 04:43.38 | ectospasm | Dinkum: write a script that can restore your connection with a single command. I use aliases for that purpose |
| 04:44.52 | Dinkum | i have n idea how to write the script, can you give me some sample |
| 04:47.24 | ectospasm | Dinkum: echo alias server1="ssh ip.server1.com -l username -p PORT" >> .bashrc && . .bashrc |
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| 04:48.28 | ectospasm | Dinkum: type server1 at the console after this, and it will connect to ip.server1.com |
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| 04:49.37 | Dinkum | can i send password as well, why .bashrc && . .bashrc |
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| 04:50.13 | ectospasm | Dinkum: ". .bashrc" reloads .bashrc, so the change takes effect. |
| 04:50.44 | Dinkum | so i have to do this 30 times if i hav 30 devices |
| 04:50.55 | Dinkum | for once and then i just say the device name |
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| 04:51.29 | macrobat | use a function that takes arguments or put it in its own script, then |
| 04:52.16 | ectospasm | Dinkum: assuming your hosts accept RSA keys, you should probably use RSA keys rather than storing the passwords in plaintext in a script. |
| 04:52.41 | Dinkum | ectospasm actually it is a home lab |
| 04:52.54 | Dinkum | simple telnet with password |
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| 04:53.05 | ectospasm | Dinkum: also, does SecureCRT have a Linux client? That might be more expedient than trying to replicate the functionality of free tools. |
| 04:53.10 | ectospasm | s/of/in/ |
| 04:53.15 | macrobat | idk, use putty? |
| 04:53.55 | Dinkum | yes they have but not free and it is not workin in debian squeeze |
| 04:54.11 | acu | what do you need to start compiz once installed ? |
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| 04:55.19 | Dinkum | where can i get the complete reference of the script you gave me |
| 05:00.02 | gnarface | cross-compler for amd64? |
| 05:00.14 | gnarface | arm-linux-gnueabi- command not found? |
| 05:00.26 | gnarface | help? |
| 05:00.41 | ectospasm | gnarface: phrase your questions more intelligently |
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| 05:01.44 | thewanderer1 | how do I make the kernel load an initrd when it has been supplied in CONFIG_CMDLINE ? trying to boot directly from UEFI, but it does not seem to be loading any initrd unless I pass it directly from UEFI Shell... |
| 05:02.11 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. it does not seem to be using the built-in cmdline for initrd loading) |
| 05:02.42 | gnarface | ectospasm: http://paste.debian.net/162396/ |
| 05:02.58 | gnarface | ectospasm: i'm missing a package, i think |
| 05:03.06 | gnarface | ectospasm: happen to know which one? |
| 05:03.14 | ectospasm | unfortunately, no |
| 05:03.21 | ectospasm | I do very little cross compiling |
| 05:03.26 | ectospasm | (read: none) |
| 05:03.40 | gnarface | http://paste.debian.net/162396/ anyone know which package i'm missing here? |
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| 05:03.46 | gnarface | i'm on sid |
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| 05:06.51 | wooden_ | My socket file /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 has been deleted, so X forwarding has stopped working for me. However, the file descriptor is still held open by X, as I can see in lsof output. I tried copying the file descriptor from /proc/$PID/fd/$FD back to /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 but that didn't work. How can I get my lovely socket back? |
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| 05:13.38 | educr0w | Hello, ia64 is for intel? |
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| 05:13.58 | ectospasm | educr0w: yes |
| 05:14.08 | thewanderer1 | educr0w: for Intel Itanium, yes. it won't run on your desktop/laptop. use amd64 for those. |
| 05:14.08 | ectospasm | educr0w: for their "Itanium" chips. |
| 05:14.34 | ectospasm | educr0w: what thewanderer1 said... (-; |
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| 05:14.51 | Jello187 | hi, how to turn off FTP_RESTRICT_TO_HOME? |
| 05:14.57 | Jello187 | i am using pureftpd on debian |
| 05:15.32 | educr0w | is a netbook with n550 processor, amd64, thanks :) |
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| 05:22.38 | educr0w | I have arch but I am considering change to debian (for stability), I am comparing version of packages, in arch I have xorg-server 1.12.0.901-1, in debian packages stables says xserver-zorg 1:7.5+8+squeezy1, how do I read that? is version 7.5? |
| 05:28.17 | Diopter | educr0w: That's a metapackage/virtual package. The xserver-xorg-core package in Squeeze is 2:1.7.7-14, which is off the 1.7.7-14 source. |
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| 05:28.56 | Diopter | educr0w: Wheezy and Sid have 1.11, experimental has 1.12 |
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| 05:31.41 | educr0w | I want to use openbox, I'm not too expert, I don't know what advantages I have with 1.12 and which not with 1.7 |
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| 05:32.58 | educr0w | for example, now I have thunderbird 11.0.1 with all my emails, will I be able to backup them and use them in thunderbird in debian? |
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| 05:37.55 | FDFlock | educr0w: what does that have to do with anything?! a thunderbird profile is a thunderbird profile |
| 05:38.10 | educr0w | because the versions |
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| 05:38.23 | kleanchap | I have a fully operational Debian running. At this point, is it possible to convert the file systems to encrypting file systems? |
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| 05:39.40 | FDFlock | educr0w: it will work with the same/newer t-bird, but keep that "backup" because it's not a backup unless you have >=2 copies |
| 05:40.02 | FDFlock | I wuld a oid an older thunderbird |
| 05:40.10 | FDFlock | *avoid |
| 05:40.20 | FDFlock | *would |
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| 05:40.51 | educr0w | ok, thanks! I'll try |
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| 05:46.28 | bytetracker | well im out, have a good night all. |
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| 05:48.43 | educr0w | goodnight! |
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| 05:50.51 | educr0w | Can I set unstable repo to install xorg 1.11, openbox 3.5, thunar 1.2, etc and after install them, switch repo back to stable? |
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| 06:07.25 | \\z | So, let's try this again... maybe someone has an idea now |
| 06:07.33 | \\z | I tried upgrading from lenny to squeeze |
| 06:07.43 | \\z | The way it was described by the dpkg bot |
| 06:07.48 | \\z | And I got this: |
| 06:07.50 | \\z | http://pastebin.com/EeqaGaDx |
| 06:08.13 | \\z | Probably related to my SSH connection being terminated halfway through the upgrade process |
| 06:08.17 | \\z | And I didn't screen it |
| 06:08.26 | \\z | So I had to kill the process and start over |
| 06:08.33 | \\z | And then I've been getting this error |
| 06:08.35 | \\z | And now |
| 06:08.51 | \\z | I get this same error every time I try to apt-get update/upgrade/install/remove anything |
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| 06:09.13 | \\z | I read in some posts it helps to apt-get remove grub-something |
| 06:09.35 | \\z | Which I tried, but not only did I not have it installed in the first place |
| 06:09.56 | \\z | But I also got the same error again (157.dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (--configure):) |
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| 06:10.47 | \\z | Someone told me to check the preinst/postinst/etc files and try to find the error in there |
| 06:11.08 | \\z | But a) I'm not sure it's related to any specific package, as I get the error for everything apt/aptitude related I do |
| 06:11.51 | \\z | And b) even if it was, I don't think I'm experienced enough to find an issue... linux isn't exactly my strong suit |
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| 06:12.06 | \\z | And neither is Perl, which appears to be the language that those scripts are written in |
| 06:12.15 | sandwitch | \\z: is grub installed? |
| 06:12.32 | \\z | It's not mentioned anywhere in /boot |
| 06:12.39 | \\z | Is there a better way to check? |
| 06:12.46 | \\z | Where would it be under in aptitude? |
| 06:12.50 | sandwitch | dpkg -l | grep grub |
| 06:13.00 | dpkg | ii | grep grub 2.8-5.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:13.00 | \\z | ok one sec |
| 06:13.11 | \\z | Nada |
| 06:13.14 | \\z | So guess not |
| 06:13.23 | sandwitch | \\z: cause i see in line 156 : User postinst hook script [/sbin/update-grub] failed to execute: No such file or directory |
| 06:13.34 | \\z | So.... I need grub? |
| 06:13.41 | sandwitch | you really do |
| 06:13.47 | sandwitch | theats the bootloader |
| 06:13.53 | boudiccas | \\z, have you got good backups? because you'll need them if you reboot |
| 06:13.56 | \\z | x.x As I said, not very experienced |
| 06:14.10 | \\z | Backups for? My data? |
| 06:14.10 | sandwitch | so dont'reboot |
| 06:14.17 | \\z | I already rebooted, and it worked |
| 06:14.36 | \\z | Someone told me that I need grub or lilo to reboot |
| 06:14.40 | \\z | But..... it works |
| 06:14.41 | boudiccas | backups of your /home directory |
| 06:15.07 | \\z | I just typed reboot, it says rebooting, terminates the SSH connection, so I need to relog |
| 06:15.08 | \\z | But it works |
| 06:15.25 | \\z | Is there another bootloader that I could have? |
| 06:15.35 | streuner | lilo |
| 06:15.39 | \\z | Oh, I should mention, this is a remote virtual server |
| 06:15.45 | \\z | If that has to do with anything |
| 06:15.52 | sandwitch | try apt-get install grub-pc-bin if your on i386 or amd64 |
| 06:15.58 | \\z | amd64 |
| 06:15.59 | \\z | I'll try |
| 06:16.26 | streuner | and change your nick, before i get eyecancer! |
| 06:16.29 | \\z | Can't find that package, but it can find grub-pc |
| 06:16.41 | \\z | lol um... ok |
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| 06:17.53 | whatever | That works x.x |
| 06:18.50 | Guest88629 | So, I'm trying to install grub-pc now, it says it extracted a linux command line from /etc/default/grub |
| 06:18.54 | Guest88629 | But the command line is empty |
| 06:19.04 | Guest88629 | Ugh @.@ |
| 06:19.10 | sandwitch | thats okay |
| 06:19.14 | sandwitch | thats a append rule |
| 06:19.49 | sandwitch | if this wont work guess you need grub-legacy |
| 06:20.37 | sandwitch | if grub is installed you could try 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 06:21.38 | Guest88629 | It asked for a device to be installed on, and I could only select one.. so I did, but it just says "failed to install on that device" |
| 06:22.59 | Guest88629 | Meh need to afk rq |
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| 06:32.51 | notze | hi |
| 06:34.18 | notze | if i ping a domain www.test.de and i get response from www.test1.de both on the same server and ip |
| 06:34.25 | notze | whats the reason for that? |
| 06:37.31 | gwillen | notze: it means that a DNS lookup for www.test.de yields some address, but a lookup for that address yields www.test1.de |
| 06:37.40 | gwillen | they're the same server, and you're using one name |
| 06:37.46 | gwillen | but it defaults to a different name |
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| 06:38.22 | notze | can it be changed so it defaults to the one that is pinged |
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| 06:39.27 | channa | im having problem with my nvidia driver, i get glx loaded etc in xorg.conf, everything works fine for awhile, then 3d acceleration starts dragging, glxgears 5fps, nvidia kernel driver still loaded, is there anyway to check what happened to glx xorg module after xorg is started? |
| 06:39.35 | channa | only thing in the logs just says glx was loaded ok |
| 06:39.38 | gwillen | notze: if you ping -n, it will just show the address, and not show the name |
| 06:39.43 | channa | im thinking maybe some other driver is messing with it |
| 06:39.50 | channa | i removed nouveau |
| 06:39.53 | channa | but i dont know what else to do |
| 06:39.55 | gwillen | notze: I'm not aware of a way to get it to show the name you entered, but I'm also not aware of anything that would make that very useful |
| 06:40.16 | notze | gwillen: but what is beest practice? |
| 06:40.37 | notze | its normal that you get a diffrent result |
| 06:40.39 | channa | and i cant seem to find anything on google about anyone else having this issue or what the solution might be, i cant be the only one |
| 06:40.50 | channa | this happens all the time for me on deb, i reinstalled too |
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| 06:41.02 | gwillen | notze: yeah, that's totally normal |
| 06:41.03 | channa | everything works ok when i first boot, then it starts happening |
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| 06:43.11 | notze | but look |
| 06:43.31 | kleanchap | I have a fully operational Debian running. At this point, is it possible to convert the file systems to encrypting file systems? |
| 06:44.34 | channa | the poor man way, would be to back up all the files on / |
| 06:44.48 | channa | make a new install, i know its a pain, make that install encrypted |
| 06:44.57 | channa | then restore the files in / from a livecd |
| 06:45.07 | channa | that should work.. |
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| 06:45.38 | channa | just make sure all the acl bits are backed up |
| 06:45.51 | notze | truecrypt does it on tle fly on windows |
| 06:45.55 | notze | never used on linux |
| 06:45.57 | channa | yea i know |
| 06:45.59 | channa | but for linux its tricky |
| 06:46.04 | channa | i just use the deb installer |
| 06:46.10 | channa | do make dmcrypt partition and put / on it |
| 06:46.17 | channa | or luks inside of that |
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| 06:46.24 | channa | if you want multiple logicals, for swap etc |
| 06:46.44 | channa | thats easier for your system partitions |
| 06:46.55 | channa | for linux, then you can use truecrypt for other stuff |
| 06:47.15 | kleanchap | This is more than I thought. Probably will have to reinstall the whole darn thing again. |
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| 06:47.48 | channa | yea i know, i just did a fresh install too, i feel your pain |
| 06:47.50 | GTRsdk | how do I connect via ethernet? |
| 06:48.01 | GTRsdk | I did a fairly minimal install, so I am at a tty |
| 06:48.11 | channa | thats how i do it too |
| 06:48.26 | channa | and make sure i tell apt to ignore recommends, then install xorg server from there |
| 06:48.32 | GTRsdk | the ethernet controller is an Atheros AR8152 v1.1 (rev c1) |
| 06:48.40 | channa | apt-get wants to pull lots of junk |
| 06:48.45 | channa | synaptic doesnt |
| 06:48.49 | channa | i know they're just front ends |
| 06:48.53 | channa | but they have diff behavior by default |
| 06:49.07 | channa | i just edit apt.conf |
| 06:49.22 | channa | synaptic is more conservative |
| 06:49.27 | channa | wont even pull aspell for xchat xd |
| 06:50.05 | channa | ive installed synaptic manually with dpkg, doesnt depend on anything, but if u install synaptic with apt-get by default it will pull tons of packages |
| 06:50.29 | channa | so i sort of messed up my minimal system but im learning |
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| 06:51.10 | channa | and if you forget to check the standard system utilities during debian setup, u can still install those with tasksel install standard, assuming you did absolute minimal install |
| 06:51.33 | streuner | GTRsdk: is atl1c loaded? |
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| 06:51.47 | channa | or aptitude install ~pstandard ~pimportant ~prequired |
| 06:51.51 | zok_ | hi guys |
| 06:51.51 | GTRsdk | atl1c? how would I load that? |
| 06:52.01 | streuner | GTRsdk: modprobe atl1c |
| 06:52.15 | zok_ | where's xorg.conf in Debian? |
| 06:52.24 | channa | its not there by default, it configures itself |
| 06:52.31 | streuner | config files usually lives in /etc |
| 06:52.36 | boudiccas | zok_, nowhere, its not needed |
| 06:52.45 | GTRsdk | streuner: So now should it be possible to dhclient eth0? |
| 06:52.55 | zok_ | so, how can I change my driver from nouveau to nvidia then? |
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| 06:53.09 | channa | you have to run x setup, i forget the command, which doesnt work right for me anyway, it always complains and quits, i use nvidia driver anyway so i use the nvidia tool to generate a xorg.conf in my case |
| 06:53.10 | streuner | GTRsdk: well, i have no idea if it need firmware too... |
| 06:53.18 | zok_ | i was always editing proper sections of xorg.conf and it was just simple |
| 06:53.31 | streuner | GTRsdk: but you need to configure interfaces as well, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 06:53.32 | zok_ | but i cant figure out how to do it in Debian ;) |
| 06:53.37 | zok_ | any advices? |
| 06:54.07 | channa | lemme see if its in my bash hist |
| 06:54.07 | zok_ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Methods ive read it, and it doesnt describe how to change driver ;} |
| 06:54.42 | channa | Xorg -configure should generate a xorg.conf for u |
| 06:54.48 | channa | just make sure u kill x first |
| 06:54.56 | channa | lemme know if that owrks |
| 06:55.00 | channa | it complained about something for me |
| 06:55.59 | channa | i use nvidia-xconfig to do it |
| 06:56.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps s can you tell me how to find as log of aptitude removals of packages? |
| 06:56.07 | zok_ | but, if it's not needed, what for should i generate it? |
| 06:56.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | i would like to see when logwatch was removed.. |
| 06:56.32 | channa | if you wanted to customize the sections and modify stuff u need it, otherwise u dont |
| 06:56.34 | zok_ | k, reboot |
| 06:56.46 | zok_ | brb, i hope. ;-) |
| 06:56.51 | channa | its just not needed anymore by default, thats why its missing |
| 06:57.02 | streuner | GTRsdk: what is the pciid for that device, btw? (use lspci -nn) |
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| 06:57.24 | streuner | GTRsdk: it seems to me its wireless |
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| 06:59.30 | GTRsdk | streuner: It says ethernet controller. The network coontroller is a GBroadcom BCM4313 (802.11b/g/n) |
| 06:59.39 | GTRsdk | *broadcom |
| 06:59.40 | streuner | GTRsdk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/02/msg00173.html |
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| 07:00.22 | channa | im having issues with apt-mark too, i mark packages i want to keep and apt-get still wants to remove them, it doesnt recognize the change, |
| 07:00.37 | channa | so i finally configured apt.conf not to offer crap to remove |
| 07:00.49 | streuner | GTRsdk: please pastebin the whole output of "lspci -nn" to a pastebin. |
| 07:00.52 | channa | then i gotta do it all over again in deborphan |
| 07:01.21 | GTRsdk | streuner: how do I do that when I cannot connect to the system or have it connect to a site? |
| 07:02.01 | channa | deborphan wants to remove packages i installed manually in synaptic, and apt-get dont recognize my apt-mark selections |
| 07:02.05 | streuner | GTRsdk: just give us the pciid of it then |
| 07:02.26 | GTRsdk | which part is the pciid then? |
| 07:02.36 | streuner | 05:07.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10) |
| 07:02.46 | streuner | 10ec:8139 for example |
| 07:03.28 | GTRsdk | the Atheros pciid: 14e4:4727 |
| 07:03.32 | streuner | 10ec:8139 <-- pciid for an ethernet device |
| 07:03.40 | GTRsdk | err wait |
| 07:03.42 | streuner | judd, pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 07:03.43 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 07:03.44 | GTRsdk | that was for broadcom |
| 07:04.16 | GTRsdk | atheros: 1969:2060 |
| 07:04.28 | streuner | judd, pciid 1969:2060 |
| 07:04.29 | judd | [1969:2060] is 'AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'atl1c' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:2060 |
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| 07:05.35 | GTRsdk | looks like the kernel might be a little too out of date then? uname -a shows 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 07:05.51 | streuner | GTRsdk: ok, so what happens if you modprobe atl1c? |
| 07:06.08 | streuner | GTRsdk: look at the output of dmesg then... |
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| 07:06.44 | GTRsdk | it just ... um... goes? It doesn't complain about errors in the tty |
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| 07:07.16 | sandwitch | aint you missing 'firmware-atheros' ? |
| 07:07.29 | streuner | GTRsdk: ifconfig, is eth0 listed there? |
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| 07:09.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok... i feel l,ike something sneaky is going on |
| 07:09.12 | mr_claus | hi, i try to use netboot with a preseed file to start an installation with enabled ssh remote console, it does work but i don't get the console, it seems the installer could not get the Release file, but in the logs i can see the URL and con second console it is possible to fetch it with wget, any ideas if i have forgotten somthing important in the preseed file? |
| 07:09.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | my logwatch bin disappeared... |
| 07:09.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | configds are there still and i see no removl in the aptitude log |
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| 07:09.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i cant find any history of it in my bash history file |
| 07:09.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
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| 07:11.50 | streuner | sandwitch: #607480 |
| 07:12.28 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs #607480 |
| 07:12.31 | dpkg | #607480:I[installation-reports] installation-reports: Toshiba Satellite Pro C650: Grub installation fails (); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:42:01 UTC [] |
| 07:13.00 | streuner | well, the installer didnt detect eth... |
| 07:13.03 | SLFCore | anyone uses debian as a gaming distro? |
| 07:13.07 | GTRsdk | streuner: Nope. Only lo |
| 07:13.10 | sandwitch | okay |
| 07:13.17 | streuner | makes sense then |
| 07:14.07 | GTRsdk | takes a look at firmware-atheros package |
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| 07:19.08 | GTRsdk | Just out of curiosity... Has anyone tried the latest wheezy installers? |
| 07:19.17 | GTRsdk | Are they broken (daily & weekly)? |
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| 07:20.04 | streuner | why not using kmuto instead? |
| 07:20.27 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 07:20.27 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 07:22.14 | streuner | GTRsdk: surely debian-boot and/or #debian-boot (OFTC) should know better.. |
| 07:23.01 | carni | under wheezy ,,I have install chrome use "apt-get install chromium" ,,and I have download libflashplayer.so ,but where should I put ? |
| 07:24.31 | carni | any help? |
| 07:24.44 | GTRsdk | carni: it might be best to apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 07:25.12 | pav5088 | = Ubuntu desktop refugee... are there any resources that people can point me to for desktop environment options using Debian? |
| 07:25.37 | carni | But ,,how to locate chrome install path? |
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| 07:25.51 | carni | GTRsdk But ,,how to locate chrome install path? |
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| 07:26.09 | streuner | carni: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 07:26.27 | sheep | carni: did you try apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 07:26.47 | GTRsdk | pav5088: there is KDE, GNOME, LXDE, fluxbox (which some question is really a DE), and others |
| 07:27.14 | streuner | pav5088: XFCE is fine too :-) |
| 07:27.22 | channa | fluxbox is what a de should be |
| 07:27.42 | sheep | fluxbox is just a window manager. a DE usually includes a window manager, a panel, appearance settings, and a file manager |
| 07:27.59 | channa | ok point |
| 07:28.11 | channa | but u can configure panels and such |
| 07:28.26 | channa | so whats a good standalone file manager |
| 07:28.28 | sheep | right, but it's still really just managing windows |
| 07:28.38 | channa | something lean |
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| 07:28.45 | sheep | pcmanfm is pretty light |
| 07:28.49 | channa | hmm |
| 07:29.29 | carni | sheep: thanks I have download x64.deb ,and use dpkg -i .... |
| 07:30.04 | sheep | carni: but did you do the actual apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 07:31.41 | reklipz | Hey all. I'm reading that in order to solve my touchpad issues on my laptop, I need to add something of the ilk "i8024.reset" to my grub cfg line to load the kernel ("linux" line). |
| 07:32.35 | reklipz | Does anyone know what this actually does? There are many more options, such as i8024.nomux, i8024.nopnp, i8024.noloop, that the author says I should add as well, but that seems excessive and as though the author doesn't know what he's doing. |
| 07:33.04 | reklipz | s/i8024/i8042/ |
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| 07:38.24 | blubberdi | I wonder what your actual issues are. |
| 07:38.50 | a111 | Happy National GAS A KIKE day |
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| 07:41.56 | simonlnu | !ops a111 |
| 07:41.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: a111 |
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| 07:44.00 | reklipz | blubberdi: You wonder what my actual issues are? |
| 07:44.04 | blubberdi | yes |
| 07:44.20 | reklipz | My actual issue is that I cannot use my touchpad under Debian. |
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| 07:44.36 | blubberdi | you mean it doesn't react at all? |
| 07:44.42 | reklipz | Correct sir. |
| 07:45.08 | reklipz | I used to think it was a hardware issue; loose solder joint. I would stress the keyboard/laptop, and sometimes it would work. |
| 07:45.21 | reklipz | It appears that doesn't work anymore; I must have just gotten lucky. |
| 07:46.03 | reklipz | Jamming on the keyboard seems to make it "work" sometimes, for others and myself. |
| 07:46.04 | blubberdi | hmm, that's strange. and have you tried the i8042.reset and i8042.nomux options? |
| 07:46.15 | reklipz | I booted into a Windows 7 install disc, and the mouse works fine. |
| 07:46.32 | reklipz | blubberdi: I have not yet; I am in the middle of an update, but I will do that ASAP. |
| 07:46.34 | blubberdi | and the keyboard doesn't work there, either? |
| 07:46.43 | reklipz | The keyboard works just fine, actually. |
| 07:46.52 | blubberdi | ah, okay |
| 07:46.53 | reklipz | It's the touchpad that has issues; only the touchpad. |
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| 07:47.38 | reklipz | I have a feeling that i8042.* will fix the issue, but I have no idea what they do. Searching Google isn't returning any useful page discussing the i8042 driver / grub module, either. |
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| 07:48.03 | blubberdi | reklipz, that has nothing to do with grub. it's a kernel thing |
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| 07:48.06 | reklipz | I generally like to understand what the fix is doing. |
| 07:48.14 | reklipz | blubberdi: Sorry, yes, kernel module/driver. |
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| 07:48.30 | blubberdi | reklipz, install the kernel documentation package and read it up in kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 07:50.20 | reklipz | blubberdi: Found docs on kernel.org, thanks! The docs aren't very verbose, but it's better than nothing I suppose. |
| 07:50.22 | blubberdi | reklipz, if it's similar to the issues others are having (found when googling), like spurious inputs and such, then i'd guess i8042.nomux is quite probable to help. so it doesn't mistake something your laptop has as multiplexing device |
| 07:50.52 | Furai | test |
| 07:51.31 | reklipz | On my end, the touchpad either works, or it doesn't. When it works, it works without issues until a cold reboot, at which point it could stop working again. The keyboard always works, and there are no spurious inputs on either. |
| 07:52.34 | reklipz | I will try combinations of the likely candidates (nomux and reset). Thanks for the help; kernel-parameters.txt is exactly what I was wanting. |
| 07:52.45 | blubberdi | hmm, then maybe i8042.reset is more probable to help. in any case, it doesn't hurt trying the options. you don't have to modify the grub config files permanently for that. just change it temporarily in the grub boot menu |
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| 07:54.39 | reklipz | blubberdi: interestingly, my laptop battery is shot; I don't boot with it in. A user reported that his issues seemed related to the power configuration; how charged the battery was, whether or not the laptop was plugged in, etc. |
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| 07:54.55 | Furai | test |
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| 07:55.28 | boudiccas | Furai, please test in #debian-offtopic |
| 07:56.21 | blubberdi | reklipz, it may be that your laptop uses the PS/2 interface for battery status, too ... that might explain the issues |
| 07:56.23 | Furai | Sorry. |
| 07:56.33 | Furai | I wasn't aware it was sending it across all networks... |
| 07:56.48 | Furai | I was doing it only in Quakenet... |
| 07:56.53 | Furai | My bad. |
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| 07:59.47 | __zero | maybe this is a bit off-topic.. but what could be the cause of me not able to ping a computer that belongs to my local network (the ping command just waits there, doesn't say there's no route to host or anything) |
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| 07:59.57 | __zero | and the other computer doesn't have a firewall |
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| 08:00.23 | __zero | and i can ping other computers on the network |
| 08:01.20 | blubberdi | it's probably sending no ping replies |
| 08:01.48 | __zero | blubberdi, i cannot ssh as well... |
| 08:01.54 | __zero | i just want to know what it means |
| 08:02.09 | blubberdi | it means it either doesn't receive or doesn't send |
| 08:02.47 | blubberdi | if all else fails, also check the network cable. lit LEDs don't necessarily mean the cable is okay |
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| 08:03.46 | reklipz | blubberdi: well, reboot time. It's apparently impossible to focus on the freenode webchat input box without using the cursor+click... |
| 08:05.09 | blubberdi | reklipz, you could configure keyboard shortcuts for changing the focus or even emulate mouse movement. anyways, you'll have to reboot sooner or later, if you want to try the options ;) |
| 08:05.11 | __zero | blubberdi, ill do that, thanks |
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| 08:05.52 | alkisg | Hi, I've a problem with start-stop-daemon, i.e. I'm probably using the wrong arguments and it tries to run the service even though it's already running, what am I doing wrong? |
| 08:05.52 | alkisg | start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --exec "$DAEMON" --pidfile "$PIDFILE" --test -- --pidfile "$PIDFILE" --logfile "$LOGFILE" epoptes |
| 08:05.52 | alkisg | Would start /usr/bin/twistd --pidfile /var/run/epoptes.pid --logfile /var/log/epoptes.log epoptes . |
| 08:05.56 | alkisg | # ps -fC twistd |
| 08:05.57 | alkisg | UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD |
| 08:05.57 | alkisg | root 1435 1 0 09:20 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/twistd --pidfile /var/run/epoptes.pid --logfile /var/log/epoptes.log |
| 08:06.38 | reklipz | blubberdi: I tried using the numpad for mouse movement in X, but I can't remember the shortcut to turn it on. the tab key doesn't seem to change focus for some strange reason. |
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| 08:09.26 | blubberdi | alkisg, yes, read the "--exec" option in the start-stop-daemon manpage |
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| 08:09.45 | alkisg | blubberdi: should I use "twistd" there instead of "epoptes"? |
| 08:10.32 | alkisg | has read the manpage but it's still unclear to him what the error is... :( |
| 08:11.18 | blubberdi | alkisg, i'm not sure of your environment. it's just the behaviour that you described matches what the manpage has to say about the option. mind that the real executable is python |
| 08:11.34 | alkisg | Ah, /me tests with python... |
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| 08:12.18 | alkisg | Indeed, "/usr/bin/python already running."... now to find how can I match with only the pid, so that a more reasonable message is shown... |
| 08:12.21 | alkisg | Thank you |
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| 08:13.05 | Timmy | in here:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/armel/iso-cd/ what the difference is between update discs and other discs? |
| 08:13.15 | Funkadelic | It seems like there aren't any irc channels/servers for non-geeky stuff |
| 08:13.26 | blubberdi | alkisg, you can match with pid and exec, just use the startas option to give your $DAEMON to |
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| 08:13.38 | Timmy | funkadelic: #defocus |
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| 08:14.29 | Funkadelic | Oh cool, that's what I was looking for Timmy |
| 08:14.53 | Timmy | wait until you get the voice |
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| 08:17.11 | alkisg | Thanks again blubberdi, I think this one's ok: start-stop-daemon --start --startas /usr/bin/twistd --oknodo --pidfile "$PIDFILE" -- --pidfile "$PIDFILE" --logfile "$LOGFILE" epoptes |
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| 08:19.00 | blubberdi | alkisg, i'd really suggest giving /usr/bin/python to exec, with startas specified, it will not try to start standalone python. it's not the safest to check only for a pid. you might stumble over a different process that happened to be started with the same pid |
| 08:19.32 | alkisg | Ty, testing that... |
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| 08:27.10 | reklipz | blubberdi: Well, the touchpad works. I didn't modify the kernel params. |
| 08:27.58 | reklipz | I booted once with a new battery in: worked fine. remove the battery, booted via AC adapter (two times), still works. Crazy. I'll keep the i8042 params in my pocket for a rainy day. |
| 08:28.07 | reklipz | blubberdi: Thanks for your help! |
| 08:28.27 | boudiccas | reklipz, thats called the 'Hawthorne Effect; |
| 08:28.31 | blubberdi | reklipz, yeah, you might need to try them one time ;) you're welcome |
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| 08:30.01 | reklipz | Time to configure a real IRC client. See you all soon! |
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| 08:30.55 | hid3 | Hello folks. Does anyone remember when squeeze was 'frozen'? |
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| 08:32.04 | simonlnu | !squeeze |
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| 08:32.04 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.4>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 08:32.31 | hid3 | nothing useful |
| 08:32.37 | simonlnu | Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06 |
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| 08:32.46 | simonlnu | count backwards ;p |
| 08:32.51 | hid3 | Well, I asked about the freeze date |
| 08:32.57 | hid3 | How much backwards? |
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| 08:33.27 | simonlnu | why does that matter? i'm curious. |
| 08:34.12 | hid3 | Okay. I remeber here was the voting system where you could guess the next stable release date. 1) I want to review the last votes for squeeze 2) I want to set a vote for Wheezy release date |
| 08:34.41 | hid3 | Looks like it will be released on Februarys usually |
| 08:34.52 | hid3 | I want to vote for Feb 5 |
| 08:34.57 | simonlnu | !wheezy pool |
| 08:34.57 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
| 08:35.08 | simonlnu | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 08:35.08 | dpkg | ! chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 08:35.10 | hid3 | !squeeze bet |
| 08:35.22 | hid3 | !squeeze bet |
| 08:35.22 | dpkg | The pool about when <Squeeze> would release was won by hid3 with 2011-02-05. stew was the most off-track. Ask me about <squeeze pool 1> and <squeeze pool 2> to see the bets placed. See also <wheezy pool>. |
| 08:35.32 | hid3 | oh great |
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| 08:35.56 | simonlnu | !win hid3 |
| 08:35.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, hid3! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 08:36.08 | simonlnu | *grin* |
| 08:36.45 | hid3 | Okay, let's wait for it to be frozen first... |
| 08:36.58 | hid3 | I believe June is expected to be the date |
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| 08:42.20 | mrokooie | Hi all, I had squeeze on my laptop and yesterday I have upgraded to sid, after upgrading I found that gnome-control-center is not installed because some version conflicts, so I solved the conflict by installing cheese-common 3.2.2 manually (gnome-control-center uses libcheese1 and libcheese1 depends on cheese-common 3.2.2) but now I wanna install empathy and It's depend on libcheese3 so I should have cheese-common 3.4.0-2 |
| 08:42.36 | mrokooie | What can I do to solve this conflict? |
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| 08:45.12 | boudiccas | mrokooie, what on earth made you jump to sid? why not go with wheezy and get some measure of stability? |
| 08:45.32 | Iridos | you heard it... he likes solving problems :) |
| 08:46.05 | Iridos | not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 08:46.41 | Funkadelic | sid is about as stable as most other distros |
| 08:46.53 | mrokooie | :) Yes, I think this way too |
| 08:47.32 | Funkadelic | I had less problems with Debian sid than with fedora. I still do prefer Testing though |
| 08:47.33 | Iridos | you mean with other distros it's normal that stuff breaks and you're sometimes not able to boot anymore? |
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| 08:48.22 | Funkadelic | that's never happened to me on anything, but I haven't had many problems with sid. It actually fixed more than it broke over wheezy |
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| 08:48.55 | mrokooie | I didn't have major problems like boot problem before with sid, just these small problems |
| 08:48.55 | Iridos | hehe |
| 08:49.02 | Iridos | btw. note topic |
| 08:49.02 | Funkadelic | Doesn't Sid have wine in its repo? Wheezy doesn't. |
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| 08:49.40 | boudiccas | ,versions wine |
| 08:49.41 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 08:50.00 | mrokooie | So, what's the solution? |
| 08:50.10 | Iridos | I meant the bit that says "wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)" |
| 08:50.11 | mrokooie | should I try to install an old version of empathy? |
| 08:50.42 | Iridos | mrokooie, I think you just can't have all? If you can't have both versions.... well, in sid things are in flow? |
| 08:51.36 | mrokooie | OK, I'll try to install previous version of empathy, I will tell the result here ;) |
| 08:52.10 | Funkadelic | too bad there's not a way to just use a library for a single program |
| 08:52.40 | Iridos | yeah... cheese went from libcheese1 to libcheese2 ... and as there's very few other things depending on it... |
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| 08:53.06 | Iridos | actually gnome-control-center is the only non-cheese thing except gir1.2-cheese-3.0 that depends on libcheese1 |
| 08:53.17 | Iridos | hm, well, at least seen from squeeze |
| 08:53.45 | Iridos | Funkadelic, but there is! You make a wrapper and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH or, a bit more hacky LD_PRELOAD |
| 08:53.57 | bitHipy | is Disk Utility non-destructive? |
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| 08:54.13 | Iridos | it's just that you do that outside the package system and so it'll break when you finally upgrade |
| 08:54.39 | Iridos | Disk Utility? |
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| 08:54.47 | Funkadelic | Iridos, then could that be a solution to mrokooie's problem? |
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| 08:55.15 | Funkadelic | he could just grab that library, stick it somewhere, and make that wrapper use that library instead ofthe default one? |
| 08:55.15 | bitHipy | Iridos: Disk Utility is part of recent debian installations.. it's a standard tool for partiititioning, etc |
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| 08:55.57 | Iridos | Funkadelic, no... his problem are dependencies, which apt is all about. he can easily have anything he wants outside the package/dependency system by installing from source in /usr/local... but when you use packages, you play to the rules of the packages |
| 08:57.14 | Iridos | bitHipy, oh, that's the thing the installer uses? well... re-partitioning is hardly ever non-destructive :) |
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| 08:59.20 | blubberdi | disk utility? never heard about that. does it have a packaged pendant? |
| 08:59.43 | bitHipy | Iridos: Gnu Parted (i think that's the name) offers non-destructive partitioning |
| 09:00.00 | bitHipy | blubberdi: not sure what you're asking |
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| 09:00.07 | Iridos | blubberdi, I guess it must... been looking what it might be called for the last 5 minutes, but couldn't find |
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| 09:00.12 | blubberdi | ah, parted, that i know |
| 09:00.40 | blubberdi | you should probably call it by that name instead, bitHipy, so people know what you're talking about ;) |
| 09:00.49 | bitHipy | Iridos: there are partition operations that /can/ be non-destructive, if carefully implemented, but many tools are needlessly destructive |
| 09:01.18 | bitHipy | blubberdi: I'm not actually asking about parted though.. that's just an example of a non-destructive tool |
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| 09:01.32 | bitHipy | i'm actually asking about "Disk Utility" |
| 09:01.36 | blubberdi | well the "needlessly" part is debatable. for instance it's quite hard to be nondestructive on bootable windows partitions |
| 09:02.06 | bitHipy | blubberdi: some operations must be necessarily destructive -- others, not so |
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| 09:02.41 | bitHipy | blubberdi: e.g. shrinking a partition when there's space to spare can theoretically be non-destructive |
| 09:02.42 | blubberdi | yes, that's true. what operation in particular are you refering to? |
| 09:02.47 | Iridos | I dunno... try it and see - preferrably on an usb stick that you don't care about. I would think you're giving sufficient warning, but... well, some need more warning than others. |
| 09:03.20 | Iridos | bitHipy, nothing stops you from partitioning the disk with the utility of your choice before you run the installer, though |
| 09:03.23 | bitHipy | blubberdi: removing a partition that doesn't exist (but the partition table suggests that it does exist) |
| 09:03.31 | blubberdi | well, theorhetically, bitHipy. the problem is that the tool must have heavy inside knowledge of the filesystem that's on the partition. or access to a tool that does have that knowledge |
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| 09:03.55 | bitHipy | blubberdi: there are tools that can do that |
| 09:04.08 | bitHipy | blubberdi: i'm merely asking if "Disk Utility" is one of them |
| 09:04.15 | blubberdi | bitHipy, yes, there are, but not for any filesystem and not equally well for any file system |
| 09:04.43 | boudiccas | bitHipy, but what is this 'disk utility' called? |
| 09:05.21 | blubberdi | he means the parted component of the installer |
| 09:05.25 | blubberdi | boudiccas ^ |
| 09:05.30 | bitHipy | boudiccas: not sure.. it's in System->Admin->Disk Utility |
| 09:05.37 | bitHipy | (in the menu) |
| 09:05.43 | blubberdi | erm, so he doesn't |
| 09:06.07 | blubberdi | don't know what "Disk Utility" is. i usually go by the real program name or the package name |
| 09:06.16 | bitHipy | the debian live cd has it in the System->Disk Utility menu |
| 09:06.47 | boudiccas | well, its not in 6.0.4 gnome |
| 09:06.53 | blubberdi | start it and look what its real name is. probably in the about menu entry |
| 09:06.57 | bitHipy | blubberdi: i don't know the package name.. i've just discovered this tool for the first time in the menu |
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| 09:07.21 | Iridos | on an installed system? |
| 09:07.24 | Iridos | it's not in my menu |
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| 09:07.58 | boudiccas | Iridos, its not in gnome on 6.0.4 |
| 09:08.03 | bitHipy | Iridos: i saw it on the live CD |
| 09:08.09 | boudiccas | but it seems to be on the live cd |
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| 09:08.26 | blubberdi | bitHipy, well start it and then find out the real name of the program ;) |
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| 09:09.44 | Iridos | right... there's also #debian-live on irc.oftc.net ... they might know more about the programs the live cd comes with |
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| 09:10.26 | Iridos | anyway... all those "non-destructive" things that change partitions are risky, so you should have good backups ready anyway |
| 09:10.35 | Iridos | so you might just as well try |
| 09:11.14 | Iridos | blubberdi, I would guess it's gnome-disk-utility |
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| 09:11.52 | Iridos | or palimpsest |
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| 09:13.18 | blubberdi | going by the package description it does not mention resizing filesystems, so i guess it probably can't |
| 09:13.20 | bitHipy | Iridos: yes, I already have a backup -- but it took me hours to make it, so I don't want to use it unless I have to |
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| 09:13.46 | Iridos | bitHipy, well, why don#t you install a program that you know and trust then? |
| 09:13.55 | blubberdi | bitHipy, you can just get yourself a gparted live cd/usb stick and resize from there |
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| 09:14.25 | blubberdi | yeah, or use gparted from the debian live cd |
| 09:14.26 | Iridos | blubberdi, what would be wrong with installing gparted (or whatever) from the debian live-cd he already uses? |
| 09:14.31 | bitHipy | blubberdi: will do. I was just hoping to find out if the live CD (already on-hand) would work |
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| 09:14.41 | blubberdi | Iridos, sure, just didn't think about that ;) |
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| 09:14.49 | bitHipy | blubberdi: ah, I didn't realize gparted was on the live cd |
| 09:15.01 | Iridos | bitHipy, installing software on debian is generally one command away... |
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| 09:15.15 | bitHipy | Iridos: even on a live cd? |
| 09:15.24 | blubberdi | bitHipy, i don't know if it's installed by default, but you can easily install it |
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| 09:15.49 | blubberdi | bitHipy, yes, even on a live cd, although the installation will be transient and go away after a reboot |
| 09:16.00 | Iridos | bitHipy, I haven't used the live CD... but it's hard to imagine how it wouldn't be... at most you have too edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then run "apt-get update" |
| 09:16.18 | bitHipy | k |
| 09:16.19 | Iridos | right... and of course what you install on a ram-disk is gorn afterwards |
| 09:16.33 | bitHipy | good enough |
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| 09:17.49 | blubberdi | but i can see your point that it would be beneficial for the live cd to have a tool like that installed by default |
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| 09:18.33 | Iridos | depends what you want to do with it... |
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| 09:19.52 | bitHipy | live CDs are commonly used to modify partitions, because it's a way to run debian w/ the HDD unmounted |
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| 09:21.55 | Iridos | I wouldn't know enough people using a live-cd to say with statistical certainty what they are or are not "commonly used to" *shrug* |
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| 09:22.32 | alex- | Anyone can help me out with this?: Forbidden. You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 09:22.34 | alex- | Some permissions have been reset |
| 09:22.37 | alex- | Even home dirs can't be accessed anymore |
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| 09:23.13 | bitHipy | Iridos: if you know people w/ just one bootable HDD, you can safely assume they use a live CD to change partitions |
| 09:23.30 | bitHipy | (b/c the drive must be unmounted to play with the partition) |
| 09:23.30 | Iridos | or an installer disk... |
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| 09:23.43 | kingaragon | hi |
| 09:23.50 | kingaragon | !list |
| 09:23.50 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:23.54 | Iridos | alex-, fsck the drive? |
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| 09:24.50 | alex- | what is fsck? |
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| 09:25.11 | Iridos | checking the filesystem for errors? |
| 09:25.16 | Eninem | lol |
| 09:25.41 | Woet | Iridos: you do know he just broke his server by setting the wrong permissions? |
| 09:25.42 | syslq | alex-: it's exactly like chkdsk on windows |
| 09:25.49 | Woet | not really needed to do a fsck.. |
| 09:26.02 | alex- | Woet: the problem is, I don't set anything |
| 09:26.09 | Iridos | Woet, no... how should I guess at that? Not many people do this |
| 09:26.25 | Woet | Iridos: because it being wrong by something fsck will fix is highly unlikely :p |
| 09:26.27 | Woet | alex-: are you root? |
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| 09:26.57 | alex- | Woet: yes |
| 09:27.09 | Iridos | Woet, no doubt... but as I said - the number of people deliberately or accidently changing permissions of / to something unusable isn't so great |
| 09:27.21 | Woet | alex-: and what are you running on the server to manage the sites? |
| 09:27.54 | r4co0n | Hello. I got problems setting up phpmyadmin with mysql in squeeze. Apparently dbconfig-common cant connect to the mysql server, ACCESS DENIED. I quadruple-checked I entered the right password and even fully reinstalled mysql, it is a fresh server. I don't know what I did or went wrong, can you suggest an approach to fix this? |
| 09:28.06 | alex- | Woet: I installed ISPConfig, then webmin, then removed ispconfig, and then installed froxlor |
| 09:29.05 | Woet | alex-: okay, and have you tried correcting the permissions? |
| 09:29.17 | alex- | no |
| 09:29.19 | alex- | how can i do that? |
| 09:29.33 | Woet | alex-: you don't know how to change permissions? |
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| 09:30.00 | alex- | I know how, but not to which settings |
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| 09:30.22 | Woet | alex-: that depends entirely on what froxlor wants |
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| 09:30.27 | Woet | alex-: ask them |
| 09:30.29 | xwalk | Is there any weird things that chkrootkit does with avahi? |
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| 09:31.09 | alex- | Woet: I'll de-install froxlor |
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| 09:31.20 | Woet | alex-: okay. |
| 09:31.21 | alex- | But I don't think it haves got to do anything with the problem |
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| 09:31.33 | alex- | Woet: To what do I need to set the file permissions |
| 09:31.44 | Woet | alex-: as I said, it depends on what froxlor wants |
| 09:31.53 | Woet | alex-: I have no idea how it sets up your system |
| 09:32.01 | alex- | No I mean by default |
| 09:32.02 | Woet | alex-: suphp, php cgi, fastcgi, mod_php |
| 09:32.04 | alex- | Without froxlor |
| 09:32.12 | Woet | alex-: that depends on your setup too. |
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| 09:32.43 | alex- | Default debian setup with apache n stuff |
| 09:33.01 | Iridos | who's froxlor? |
| 09:33.09 | Woet | alex-: with the default debian setup you know that 1 site can access all other sites, right? |
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| 09:34.05 | alex- | yes |
| 09:34.11 | alex- | I want to set the permissions to default |
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| 09:34.38 | Woet | alex-: 755 |
| 09:34.55 | alex- | to what folder? |
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| 09:35.16 | Woet | to the folder you think is set wrong |
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| 09:35.19 | alex- | chmod 755 www |
| 09:35.26 | alex- | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 09:35.34 | Woet | okay, then it's another folder. |
| 09:35.56 | Iridos | then set permissions for / first? |
| 09:36.03 | alex- | to what? |
| 09:36.13 | Woet | 755 |
| 09:36.14 | Iridos | chmod a+rx / |
| 09:36.17 | alex- | uh |
| 09:36.19 | alex- | there is 1 problem |
| 09:36.25 | alex- | I mounted my centos partition on /centos/ |
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| 09:36.30 | alex- | but I don't want to chmod that one too |
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| 09:37.15 | Woet | alex-: have you done the website folder yet? |
| 09:37.24 | Woet | alex-: /var/www/website.com, or whatever structure froxlor uses |
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| 09:37.58 | alex- | I removed froxlor |
| 09:38.07 | alex- | I did chmod 755 -r www |
| 09:38.09 | alex- | when i was in /var/ |
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| 09:39.04 | Woet | and where are the websites located? |
| 09:39.55 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.02 | alex- | But what I'm trying to access now is /var/www/ |
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| 09:40.38 | Woet | alex-: and you have an index file? |
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| 09:40.43 | alex- | yes |
| 09:40.45 | alex- | index.html |
| 09:40.45 | giaco | hello |
| 09:40.50 | Woet | alex-: then change it on that file too |
| 09:40.55 | alex- | Already did |
| 09:40.57 | alex- | 755 |
| 09:41.03 | alex- | chmod 755 index.html |
| 09:41.18 | Woet | then I don't know. |
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| 09:41.40 | giaco | I've a debian lenny server, but I can't risk a dist-upgrade now. I need to download some packages but the lenny repository is out-of-date. How can I configure it as an oldstable and keep working? |
| 09:41.44 | alex- | anyone haves a clue? |
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| 09:42.16 | jelly-home | !tell giaco about lenny sources.list |
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| 09:42.42 | Iridos | Woet, so now is the time to suggest to fsck the drive? :D |
| 09:42.48 | giaco | jelly-home: thank you |
| 09:43.07 | Woet | Iridos: no, it's time he contacts his server admin cause he or froxlor broke the system |
| 09:44.10 | alex- | any way to fix it? |
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| 09:44.57 | z3x334u | the over 10 year old o/s Windows XP is still very user friendly and everything just works, Linux still has a lot of catching up to do and should focus on making a more refined version of XP |
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| 09:46.17 | petemc | what a ridiculous statement |
| 09:46.49 | AimHere | The first thing we should do is make apt-get run in the background and hog 100% cpu for hours on end, in order to match the XP user experience |
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| 09:48.33 | gimm | ciao |
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| 09:51.01 | Lint01 | AimHere, it already has xapian which does exactly this |
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| 09:51.54 | alex- | any way to restore debian permissions? |
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| 09:54.18 | xingu | must be rough coming to linux so late in the game; it was far easier to nudge the troll-o-meter over that pathetic 2.5 in the SLS days. |
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| 09:54.37 | gimm | ciao |
| 09:55.07 | gimm | LIST |
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| 09:56.02 | gimm | !list |
| 09:56.02 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 10:38.01 | SLFCore | windows xp FTW |
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| 10:39.38 | bk | lol |
| 10:39.52 | Iridos | can we perhaps move on? |
| 10:40.12 | bk | what are we moving on to? |
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| 10:40.35 | Iridos | debian stuff of any nature |
| 10:40.49 | bk | I <3 Linux? |
| 10:41.04 | bk | SLFCore: go do that in ##linux, the response will be priceless |
| 10:41.27 | Iridos | like that wine-unstable from sid again has this bug in chemdraw where all letters become black boxes... while the squeeze version works |
| 10:41.34 | Iridos | and who's gonna do someting about it |
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| 10:41.45 | bk | hmm, good question |
| 10:41.47 | bk | i know im not |
| 10:41.49 | bk | because i cannot |
| 10:41.53 | Iridos | but you could learn! |
| 10:42.00 | bk | i could, but i have to work |
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| 10:42.36 | tremon | Iridos: you mean that 3-year old development version of wine? |
| 10:43.07 | Iridos | tremon, I dunno... just saw that some backported version I ran had the bug again |
| 10:43.19 | Iridos | after it had been present for 10 years... older wine versions also didn't have it |
| 10:43.20 | tremon | Iridos: upstream just released 1.5.1 |
| 10:43.23 | Iridos | yeah |
| 10:43.46 | Iridos | probably should compile that, see if the bug persists (which I bet it does) and file an upstream-bug against it |
| 10:43.51 | Iridos | which sadly is a lot of effort |
| 10:44.25 | Iridos | specially good would be to provide a patch ... and probably there is some OTHER bug in some OTHER damn windows software that is fixed by whatever causes this bug |
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| 10:45.05 | tremon | resists the urge to make an offtopic remark on proprietary software |
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| 10:45.47 | Iridos | well.. there's nuffin for structure drawing that would rival chemdraw |
| 10:46.01 | tremon | Iridos: do you know about the builds on carbon-project.org? |
| 10:46.15 | Iridos | there's 20 different little projects that all don't really cut the mustard |
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| 10:46.31 | Iridos | tremon, oh... actually I did, but forgot :) |
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| 10:48.56 | alex- | Woet: does this applies to me? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/476 |
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| 10:51.49 | mah454 | Where can i download debian 5 ? |
| 10:51.53 | mah454 | I need link |
| 10:52.13 | stockholm | mah454: you want lenny? |
| 10:52.18 | alex- | mah454: you can't |
| 10:52.31 | stockholm | mah454: its on archive.debian.org |
| 10:52.41 | stockholm | alex-: why cant he? |
| 10:52.43 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny |
| 10:52.43 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 10:52.52 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny iso |
| 10:52.52 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. Security support for Lenny ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. |
| 10:53.21 | alex- | stockholm: because it's EOL |
| 10:53.37 | alex- | but not sure |
| 10:53.56 | stockholm | alex-: that is perhaps a reason to upgrade, but if he wants lenny, he can still have it. |
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| 10:54.03 | alex- | ah |
| 10:54.06 | alex- | yes |
| 10:56.34 | fatalerrors | hello guys |
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| 10:56.59 | fatalerrors | i have a problem with my debian nfs v4 server |
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| 10:57.30 | fatalerrors | i've put all my homes directories on it for practical reason |
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| 10:58.14 | fatalerrors | the probelm is that wine is complaining it i'm not proprietary of my home directory |
| 10:58.22 | fatalerrors | and i need it for work |
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| 10:58.44 | Iridos | what's wine complaining? |
| 10:58.56 | fatalerrors | all my userid and name are synchronised |
| 10:59.16 | fatalerrors | wine: '/home/jeff' is not owned by you, refusing to create a configuration directory there |
| 10:59.35 | bensons | names do not matter, uid must fit |
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| 11:00.42 | fatalerrors | yes but when i do a ls -la in home dir from a client the uid and gid are 4294967294 instead of 1000 |
| 11:01.16 | fatalerrors | on the nfs server the uid is ok (1000) |
| 11:01.56 | fatalerrors | do you have an id of what's going wrong ? |
| 11:02.07 | bensons | ^^ |
| 11:02.17 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 11:02.18 | Iridos | check the logs |
| 11:02.24 | tremon | mumbles something about idmapd |
| 11:02.45 | HardDisk_WP | under windows, there are programs like process explorer which have a "history" function which shows which process was created by which user and which parent process |
| 11:02.46 | tremon | fatalerrors: did you export with squash_all? |
| 11:02.47 | HardDisk_WP | is there anything alike for linux? |
| 11:02.58 | fatalerrors | Iridos: wish ones (the server is debian and the client gentoo) |
| 11:03.07 | fatalerrors | tremon: checking that |
| 11:03.17 | Iridos | fatalerrors, both, but my bet would be on the client |
| 11:03.22 | tremon | HardDisk_WP: pstree I think |
| 11:03.57 | HardDisk_WP | tremon, doesnt work with forked processes, thats the problem |
| 11:04.07 | HardDisk_WP | i want to find out which process spawned another |
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| 11:04.44 | fatalerrors | my params are : (rw,subtree_check,async,anonuid=1001,anongid=1001) |
| 11:04.52 | pmo | HardDisk_WP, can the judge |
| 11:05.00 | pmo | HardDisk_WP, can / call |
| 11:05.00 | Iridos | all processes are forked, except init :) |
| 11:05.12 | pmo | Iridos, don't kill init |
| 11:05.23 | Iridos | HardDisk_WP, pstree should do it... so will plain ps in the PPID column |
| 11:05.24 | HardDisk_WP | pmo, friend of mine got his server pwned with the same stuff like me |
| 11:05.38 | pmo | sounds god exist in linux, since if you kill init, you make linux to die :( |
| 11:05.40 | HardDisk_WP | there's a forked perl process calling sendmail |
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| 11:06.02 | pmo | HardDisk_WP, strace |
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| 11:06.28 | tremon | HardDisk_WP: please, cut your losses and reinstall. stop trying to rescue a compromised system, you'll fail |
| 11:06.34 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 11:06.35 | Iridos | if the parent process died, then init kinda inherits the process and there's no way to tell what it was... |
| 11:06.43 | HardDisk_WP | hey, i've wiped my system already |
| 11:06.56 | HardDisk_WP | there it turned out to be an outdated version of wordpress |
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| 11:07.05 | Iridos | and yeah, what tremon said... you can spend ages trying to undo stuff somone might have done and can never be sure you did |
| 11:07.09 | HardDisk_WP | yep |
| 11:07.12 | tremon | HardDisk_WP: you didn't do a good job if you're compromised again |
| 11:07.12 | pmo | HardDisk_WP, i didn't read it all, what sort of problem do you have ? |
| 11:07.21 | HardDisk_WP | tremon, this time it's not my machine |
| 11:07.33 | tremon | ah... same cure, though |
| 11:07.39 | HardDisk_WP | wipe and reinstall |
| 11:07.58 | HardDisk_WP | and keep track which friends do not update their wordpress setups |
| 11:08.56 | pmo | top .. may help.. |
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| 11:10.09 | pmo | or ps -edf | grep -i perl |
| 11:10.28 | fatalerrors | tremon: exportfs: /etc/exports:1: unknow keyword "squash_all" |
| 11:10.36 | pmo | or while true ; ps -edf | grep -i perl ; end |
| 11:10.37 | tremon | fatalerrors: check /etc/idmapd.conf, make sure they're identical and rpc.idmapd is running on both |
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| 11:10.54 | fatalerrors | tremon: ok |
| 11:11.15 | tremon | fatalerrors: it should've been all_squash, I guess |
| 11:11.33 | fatalerrors | tremon: haaaa ok ;) |
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| 11:12.03 | riex\- | Hello, can somebody please help me to fix this error: http://pastebin.com/5HxtQnzE - I am getting this error when I am trying to run "sudo apt-get update" |
| 11:12.46 | Iridos | the error is right there, where you're using ubuntu |
| 11:12.59 | Rapid2214 | riex\-: It seems your DNS is not working, can you browse the internet ok? |
| 11:13.03 | pmo | riex\-, sounds related to internet access |
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| 11:13.25 | pmo | could be /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:13.33 | riex\- | nope i cannot |
| 11:13.42 | riex\- | how do i fix this problem pmo? :P |
| 11:13.56 | Rapid2214 | Have you setup networking? |
| 11:13.59 | pmo | riex\-, echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" >/etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:14.00 | riex\- | yep |
| 11:14.20 | Rapid2214 | Agreed with pmo |
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| 11:14.30 | Lufti | hi |
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| 11:22.49 | bensons | 8.8.8.8 is considered evil |
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| 11:23.27 | Rapid2214 | bensons: How so? :D |
| 11:23.28 | pmo | bensons, evil, that's google |
| 11:24.16 | pmo | and we all pray by google every time of the day, at least most of us.. lol |
| 11:25.29 | pmo | preachers were used to tell you what you think, kings of divin right, next were news media / tv. and now google alike :) |
| 11:26.14 | pmo | what you think / what to think |
| 11:27.24 | bensons | pmo: exactly :) |
| 11:27.43 | bensons | no need to pass even more data |
| 11:28.16 | bensons | anyway, thats my opinion :) |
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| 11:28.51 | pmo | bensons, i didn't have any free dns ip in mind, also that one is pretty easy to remember |
| 11:29.10 | pmo | bensons, whatever is net was all broken, and the man do reinstall as we talk.. |
| 11:29.23 | bensons | pmo: i usally use 4.2.2.6 |
| 11:29.44 | pmo | bensons, nice one :) from mormons ? :) ;-) lol |
| 11:29.49 | bensons | hehe |
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| 11:34.03 | alex- | bensons: http://www.opendns.com/ |
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| 11:35.57 | bensons | alex-: yes sure would also work, but in case you are somewhere and lacking a proper dns 4.2.2.6 is the fastest solution. afterwards for sure, either use your isp dns, your own one or something like that |
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| 11:36.14 | xwalk | I'm not too familiar with how avahi works or how chkrootkit works, but it's telling me I have a packet sniffer attached to one of my interfaces: http://pastebin.com/u7xQ3DpN. Anyone know what I should do about this? I have to be honest that I don't really know where to start. |
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| 11:38.18 | erchpt | i used net install and picked an empty root password. now i can't su with my user password like something said i should be able to. what went wrong? |
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| 11:39.21 | alexturner_deb | Hey guys, i've got old server that I've just powered up and I've tried to run an apt-get update to install a package though I cant find any of the Lenny repo |
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| 11:39.34 | alexturner_deb | 's anymore, how can I upgrade the box? |
| 11:39.39 | born2troll | o_O i can |
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| 11:40.12 | bensons | born2troll: congrats |
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| 11:42.08 | tremon | xwalk: just remove avahi-daemon, I've never seen it used anywhere. If you can't, add allow_interfaces=lo to the config |
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| 11:43.16 | Lufti | cd #owncloud |
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| 11:43.19 | Lufti | ahh, lol |
| 11:43.30 | Lufti | terminal vs xchat :P |
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| 11:44.19 | tremon | !tell alexturner_deb about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:44.36 | valdyn | xwalk: avahi is not malicious, and it has to be a packet sniffer |
| 11:44.49 | valdyn | xwalk: you may need it or not, up to you |
| 11:44.57 | tremon | valdyn: it's not useful either imho :) |
| 11:45.04 | valdyn | xwalk: same for dhclient |
| 11:45.21 | valdyn | tremon: it is for a specific purpose, thats hardly a matter of opinion |
| 11:45.47 | xwalk | valdyn: I had a feeling it was something like that, but I was too paranoid and ignorant to let it go without question. Apparently, rhythmbox recommends it. |
| 11:45.48 | tremon | valdyn: do you know the purpose? Because I genuinely don't know... |
| 11:46.06 | valdyn | tremon: its for ip autoconfiguration |
| 11:46.32 | tremon | ah, the 169 range? |
| 11:46.35 | valdyn | tremon: or something like dhcp, but without any server, instead in a p2p method |
| 11:46.56 | valdyn | tremon: yea, iirc |
| 11:47.48 | valdyn | xwalk: rhythmbox uses avahi, but that part is unrelated to the autoipd functionality |
| 11:48.23 | valdyn | xwalk: thats service discovery |
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| 11:50.45 | valdyn | xwalk: rhythmbox needs it to see media servers ( like itunes ) |
| 11:50.56 | xwalk | valdyn: Ah, I see now. |
| 11:51.55 | xwalk | I guess when I saw "packet sniffer" I thought, "Packet sniffers? That's what those darn hackers use!" |
| 11:52.15 | tremon | xwalk: it's also what network technicians use to debug their network |
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| 11:52.46 | valdyn | xwalk: its just a program that can listen and inject any traffic instead of being bound to a port |
| 11:52.58 | valdyn | xwalk: some services need that |
| 11:53.53 | xwalk | Well, today I learned then. I like mornings like that. |
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| 11:55.36 | pie_ | how can i completely remove x11? |
| 11:55.50 | pie_ | i have a bunch of lacale files and configs i dont need |
| 11:55.57 | pie_ | i dont know how topurge the remaining packages |
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| 11:56.17 | Rapid2214 | apt-get autoremove |
| 11:56.20 | tremon | pie_: aptitude purge ~sx11 |
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| 11:56.28 | pie_ | thanks |
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| 12:16.55 | pouilet | when i type apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver it installs it from ftp.debian.org not backports.debian.org and i have my sources.list setup to say deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-packports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 12:17.47 | tremon | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 12:17.49 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-2-2; sid/non-free: 1:12-3-1 |
| 12:18.05 | tremon | pouilet: there is no version in squeeze backports |
| 12:18.13 | pouilet | oh wow |
| 12:18.27 | pouilet | thats very good to know! thanks |
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| 12:18.40 | pouilet | is there something non-impactful |
| 12:18.53 | pouilet | like a game i can apt-get -t squeeze-backports that i can install to make sure |
| 12:19.03 | pouilet | my apt-get in general will read from backports when i want to |
| 12:19.36 | tremon | pouilet: not sure what you're asking |
| 12:20.16 | pouilet | oh ok nvm |
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| 12:57.31 | peaple | ciao |
| 12:57.40 | peaple | !lista |
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| 13:01.00 | arjun_ | !moo |
| 13:01.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/*office/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:01.05 | Black_Prince | italians ... |
| 13:01.37 | raptor67682 | how to know which file is using libhpaio during scanning ? |
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| 13:01.54 | raptor67682 | (driver) |
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| 13:02.53 | Black_Prince | lsof thatfile ? |
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| 13:14.25 | nsadmin | raptor67682, what's a scanning? |
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| 13:17.18 | Dinkum | hi nsadmin |
| 13:17.33 | icaunus | Hi everyone, does anybody know when testing will go stable? |
| 13:18.01 | kleanchap | When I install Debian for the first time, how does the disk encryption work during setup? For each time I reboot, do I need to enter a password before the file system is mounted? |
| 13:18.05 | Dinkum | Hi everybody and Good morning |
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| 13:18.44 | Dinkum | I need to install urdu fonts - as when i open facebook in google chrome my fonts are just rectangle |
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| 13:19.28 | nsadmin | Dinkum, as it happens... I'm here |
| 13:19.49 | nsadmin | but, not particularly awake right now :) |
| 13:20.11 | nsadmin | however, I am curious: how did the rest of the install go? |
| 13:20.39 | Dinkum | i still want to thank you alot nsadmin |
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| 13:22.02 | Dinkum | I need to install URDU FONTS, can anybody help me I am using DEBIAN SQUEEZE |
| 13:22.05 | nsadmin | you're welcome... now, that partitioner tool in the installer... I have told people over and over there needs to be something that looks the same as that partitioner |
| 13:22.43 | nsadmin | but, to my knowledge there's not an exact replica of that in debian once installed... |
| 13:22.57 | bzed | icaunus: when its ready. |
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| 13:23.49 | Dinkum | nsadmin: would you please help me in installing vmware workstation 8 and urdu fonts |
| 13:24.27 | nsadmin | so, you'll have to do the steps more manually when you want to do anything like, make new logical vol or partition, make a partition which is a pv, make new vg or not, add pv to vg (and why you would want to do so) |
| 13:24.49 | Dinkum | is .bundle file have to be extracted |
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| 13:25.12 | icaunus | @ bzed , no release dat yest .. got it. |
| 13:25.19 | icaunus | yet |
| 13:25.33 | icaunus | i'll just install 6 then |
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| 13:26.44 | Dinkum | anybody i need help installing vmware 8 and urdu fonts for google chrome |
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| 13:27.37 | Iridos | dpkg, search |
| 13:27.38 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
| 13:27.52 | Iridos | specifically, maybe "apt-cache search urdu" might help you? |
| 13:27.57 | Iridos | dpkg, vmware |
| 13:27.57 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 13:28.29 | Dinkum | thanks dpkg |
| 13:28.40 | Dinkum | and what about urdu fonts |
| 13:28.58 | nsadmin | you can try apt-cache search urdu |
| 13:29.11 | Iridos | nsadmin, I think I just said thatß |
| 13:29.17 | Iridos | s/ß/?/ |
| 13:29.19 | nsadmin | oh, didn't see it :) |
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| 13:29.31 | ChrisH | Looking http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666256 What does Merged with 666770 mean? Is a fix for one of them expected to fix both of them? |
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| 13:30.13 | Iridos | ChrisH, 2 people reported the same bug separately... at some point someone noticed it's the same bug, really and merged them... |
| 13:30.23 | Dinkum | yes there are 2 fonts |
| 13:30.27 | nsadmin | Dinkum is a new debian user, and a good thing to get him doing is searching for things |
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| 13:30.51 | Dinkum | and some other things, i don't know that they are related to fonts or not |
| 13:31.09 | nsadmin | Dinkum, also there are several commands you should start to read up about since you have lvm |
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| 13:32.21 | Iridos | ChrisH, in effect just means you should look at the other bug, too, as either bug might have hints about a workaround... |
| 13:32.23 | ChrisH | Iridos: And which one is the one to monitor? I know from other OS that Bug reports get closed as duplicate of XYZ. Am I right to subscribe to both of them? |
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| 13:33.10 | ChrisH | Iridos: OK... no one has a real w/a and I will wait for a fix and not report another bug :) |
| 13:33.15 | Dinkum | nsadmin: I searched and i found few things but how to install them? |
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| 13:33.45 | nsadmin | Dinkum: the first word you see on those lines is the name of a package |
| 13:34.05 | nsadmin | like |
| 13:34.27 | nsadmin | foo-bird if the foo spits, wear it |
| 13:34.38 | nsadmin | the package name is foo-bird |
| 13:34.41 | XonXor17 | hi I have a problem with samba regarding permissions when I'm trying to create a shared folder with nautilus-share. Any ideas? |
| 13:34.43 | Dinkum | ok |
| 13:34.57 | Dinkum | and to install it i just do apt-get install foo-bird |
| 13:35.06 | nsadmin | correct |
| 13:35.10 | Dinkum | yaaay |
| 13:35.13 | Dinkum | thanks |
| 13:35.14 | Iridos | ChrisH, actually dunno... from reading bugs, I think both just stay open but are closed (and tagged) together? See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#merge |
| 13:35.17 | Dinkum | let me try |
| 13:35.18 | nsadmin | or aptitude install foo-bird |
| 13:35.56 | nsadmin | if you look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:36.11 | nsadmin | you will see mostly debian package files (they end in .deb) |
| 13:37.02 | nsadmin | take a look at the file name of one of them |
| 13:37.44 | Dinkum | i got both of them but i don't know they are properly installed or not |
| 13:38.16 | nsadmin | you can look at dpkg -s foo-bird (if foo-bird is installed) |
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| 13:38.25 | nsadmin | it's a lot of output |
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| 13:38.57 | nsadmin | if you look at the line that starts Status: |
| 13:39.03 | Dinkum | no still i can see rectangles |
| 13:39.46 | nsadmin | rectangles? |
| 13:39.47 | ChrisH | Iridos: Thanks... Answered my Q so far. Waiting for a fix or w/a now. |
| 13:39.59 | Dinkum | yes instead of urdu font i see rectangles |
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| 13:40.15 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 13:40.44 | Dinkum | even though i installed these two ttf-nafees and ttf-paktype |
| 13:41.07 | Dinkum | do i have to enable them somewhere, do i have to log off and log in or restart |
| 13:41.28 | nsadmin | they should be available |
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| 13:42.23 | Dinkum | well i will chek them on internet |
| 13:42.32 | Dinkum | what is .bundle files? |
| 13:42.38 | Iridos | there's also the non-ttf versions of those fonts-nafees,fonts-paktype |
| 13:42.48 | nsadmin | that seems like a macintosh thing |
| 13:43.00 | Iridos | Dinkum, maybe need to log out and back in? But usually fonts just appear |
| 13:43.25 | nsadmin | yang2, frank gambale wrote a song called yang |
| 13:44.23 | Dinkum | guys why my internet on phone is so choppy is debian continously downloading something |
| 13:44.41 | yang2 | oh |
| 13:45.20 | XonXor17 | samba is giving me this error '...cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied' - How do I set the permissions then ? |
| 13:45.34 | Dinkum | yaaaay log out and log in solved the issue |
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| 13:50.41 | Dinkum | i love you guys, if i stick with you one day i will be able to help others |
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| 13:51.52 | Dinkum | guys i need to install GCC 4.3.5 or better |
| 13:52.58 | ompaul | Dinkum: in your debian type apt-cache policy gcc |
| 13:53.56 | Dinkum | installed (none) |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | !b-e Dinkum |
| 13:54.51 | dpkg | Dinkum: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:55.25 | Dinkum | hmm what does that mean dpkg |
| 13:55.35 | abrotman | it's a command .. you should run it |
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| 13:56.10 | Dinkum | running.... |
| 13:57.17 | Dinkum | hmm now i have another query, you guys are so great |
| 13:57.26 | Dinkum | Kernel Headers?? |
| 13:57.30 | Dinkum | how to install them |
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| 13:58.35 | ChrisH | XonXor17: Mine has drwxrwx--T 2 root sambashare 4096 Dec 30 2010 /var/lib/samba/usershares/ |
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| 13:59.52 | MRCracker | hi, i hava hibernate problem |
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| 14:00.51 | Iridos | well, winter's over, spring is at the door |
| 14:00.57 | abrotman | Dinkum: apt-cache search kernel headers |
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| 14:01.11 | Iridos | so... rejoice? |
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| 14:02.05 | Dinkum | long list abortman :( what to select what to not |
| 14:02.18 | tremon | Iridos: you're being hemisphere insensitive |
| 14:02.44 | Iridos | tremon, that makes me an hemispherist, I guess |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | Dinkum: look through them .. what seems appropriate? |
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| 14:03.38 | Dinkum | linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:04.03 | Dinkum | isn't there a package which install everything |
| 14:04.14 | Dinkum | related to kernel header |
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| 14:08.32 | tremon | Dinkum: there's linux-headers-amd64 which will track the latest headers, just like linux-image-amd64 will track the binary kernel image |
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| 14:16.11 | RixiM | where can i find a full mirror of debian 5.09? |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | RixiM: archive.debian.org |
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| 14:17.27 | RixiM | abrotman: thanks, i've been looking for some time. |
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| 14:18.01 | tremon | RixiM: for two months, probably. That's when Lenny went out of support |
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| 14:18.20 | Dinkum | thank guys |
| 14:18.52 | Dinkum | is debian keep on downloading something how can i check the traffic on which debian is using |
| 14:19.24 | abrotman | at that moment? or total? |
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| 14:20.00 | Dinkum | at the moment |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | iftop or jnettop |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | Dinkum: you know .. people write descriptions for packages ... you can search those descriptions |
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| 14:22.52 | Dinkum | hmm right |
| 14:22.57 | pouilet | so i installed 3.2.0-0.bp0.1-amd64 and i want to install catalyst and want to use catalyst from backports |
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| 14:23.22 | Dinkum | i am trying all those too butinitially nothing make sense to me and after some reading and from the help of you guys things getting better |
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| 14:23.48 | Dinkum | i need tabular terminal to connect to my home lab and gns3 routers can anyone help me in that |
| 14:24.12 | pouilet | I see http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze-backports/fglrx-driver but someone told me that fglrx-driver is not part of backports! |
| 14:24.21 | pouilet | what is the deal? |
| 14:24.39 | pouilet | they said it is part of stable according to ,versions? |
| 14:24.40 | cantido | pouilet: they lied to you |
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| 14:25.24 | cantido | Dinkum: you mean a terminal emulator that can handle multiple shells in tabs.. konsole can do that, gnome's probably can |
| 14:25.28 | pouilet | so whenever I apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver it ALWAYS grabs it from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian NOT http://backports.debian.org |
| 14:25.32 | tremon | cantido: ask judd |
| 14:26.08 | pouilet | even though I hav ea line in my sources.list that says deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:26.10 | cantido | doesnt want to |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | Dinkum: you need to learn how to do your own research .. |
| 14:26.48 | pouilet | multiple shells? i use screen for that |
| 14:26.50 | Dinkum | but how to you know save the sessions so that i can open them later |
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| 14:27.15 | pouilet | can anyone help me install fglrx-driver with apt-get |
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| 14:27.18 | cantido | Dinkum: you would need to keep the shell running, screen can help with that |
| 14:27.18 | pouilet | from backports |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | pouilet: what doesn't work ? |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | !tell Dinkum about fish |
| 14:27.40 | cantido | Dinkum: the terminal emulator cant save the state of the shell and restart it later |
| 14:27.46 | pouilet | screen -S <your named session, like "irc"> , then ctrl+a, d to detach |
| 14:27.52 | pouilet | screen -r irc to restore |
| 14:28.25 | Dinkum | no i mean as we can save them in securecrt and then later do have to put ip port and password |
| 14:28.34 | pouilet | abrotman: whenever I apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver it ALWAYS grabs it from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian NOT http://backports.debian.org |
| 14:28.51 | pouilet | abrotman: even though I hav ea line in my sources.list that says deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | pouilet: apt-cache policy fglrx-driver .. use a pastebin |
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| 14:29.14 | tremon | prefers the fire to the fish quote |
| 14:29.21 | cantido | Dinkum: thats saving the connection details.. you can configure ssh so that it has the port settings for hosts IIRC and bash completion with complete the hostnames for you |
| 14:29.34 | cantido | Dinkum: you shouldnt be saving passwords though, learn how to use keys |
| 14:29.48 | cantido | s/with/will/ |
| 14:29.58 | pouilet | can't paste it but it says candidate: 1:10-9-3 Version Table: 1:10-9-3 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian /squeeze/non-free amd64 packages |
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| 14:30.31 | Dinkum | actually cantido i have cisco lab and i also want to make lab in gns3 but i want to save them so that i can connect to them later, these are just home labs |
| 14:31.00 | cantido | Is there any way to get dropbear 2012.55-1 to work with fail2ban? The old patch doesnt work any more |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | pouilet: did you 'aptitude update' ? or apt-get update ? |
| 14:31.24 | cantido | Dinkum: newer cisco kit can talk SSH from what I remember and use keys.. |
| 14:31.31 | cantido | hasnt touched cisco stuff in ages |
| 14:32.00 | cantido | Dinkum: terminal emulators are a bit different to Putty on windows though.. there are key ring apps for storing passwords etc |
| 14:32.07 | pouilet | abrotman: doing that now (i am on a fresh install and want to do it right this time) |
| 14:32.50 | pouilet | abrotman: okay repeated command apt-cache policy fglrx-driver : |
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| 14:33.23 | pouilet | candidate: 1:10-9-3 version table: 1:11-4-2~bpo60+1 0 http://backports.... and then the other one http://ftp.us.debian |
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| 14:34.24 | pouilet | candidate: 1:10-9-3 version table: 1:11-4-2~bpo60+1 0 http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports/non-free amd64 Packages |
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| 14:36.15 | pouilet | now that policy shows the backports listed first, do i just apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver ? |
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| 14:38.03 | Dinkum | nsadmin are you there |
| 14:38.11 | Dinkum | i have a question |
| 14:39.30 | cantido | thinks google might know the answer |
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| 14:40.58 | pouilet | success! its using backports |
| 14:41.23 | Ryccardo | NFS over ethernet feels so fast compared to USB :D |
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| 14:44.59 | KQuery | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bclcKR9fcng/Tkdwd9iYvZI/AAAAAAAAAEk/jDMOSn7HtYQ/vZU8S.jpg |
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| 14:45.36 | cantido | mmm NFS over 100MB ethernet isn't that great compared to a decent USB2 disk |
| 14:45.53 | Ryccardo | yeah, that PC has USB 1 |
| 14:45.57 | Iridos | probably not a link we want to follow... |
| 14:46.09 | cantido | kermit the frog doing a moon |
| 14:46.44 | Dinkum | assalam-o-allaikum |
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| 14:46.49 | Dinkum | sorry |
| 14:47.00 | cantido | Ryccardo: oh, yeah, anything is better than usb1 ;) |
| 14:47.15 | Iridos | cantido, 5.4 inch floppy disks? |
| 14:47.35 | cantido | Iridos: cassette tape is better than usb1 |
| 14:47.36 | Ryccardo | only 2 minutes to copy most of my music collection :d |
| 14:47.54 | Iridos | cantido, those were only used to pirate music! |
| 14:48.06 | pouilet | Wow, okay, installing fglrx-driver from backports without installing ANYTHING from AMD was a complete success! |
| 14:48.07 | Iridos | cantido, causing untold harm to the music industry! |
| 14:48.10 | cantido | used to get all his software on cassette tape.. |
| 14:48.35 | cantido | pouilet: you just needed to do apt-get update in the end right? |
| 14:49.04 | pouilet | yes, to get apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver to pull from backports |
| 14:49.15 | pouilet | but that was ALL i installed. and it totally, completely worked |
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| 14:49.32 | pouilet | i have no idea how or why, but this was an awful, awful, 2 day expereince |
| 14:49.34 | cantido | apt-get used to bitch if you added a source and didn't run update.. or maybe it was aptitude |
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| 14:49.59 | pouilet | i mean, how was i supposed to know that i needed to not use the propietary AMD driver |
| 14:50.10 | pouilet | and then the fixes to the propietary driver led me into a world of darkness |
| 14:50.18 | cantido | pouilet: you are using it.. just debian packaged version |
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| 14:50.37 | cantido | pouilet: installing something from outside debian is always the last resort |
| 14:50.43 | pouilet | yeah |
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| 14:50.57 | born2troll | guys is there a way to change the owner of an entire file structure? |
| 14:51.05 | pouilet | i realized that when i compiled linux3.4 and thought I'd just be able to go on my merry way |
| 14:51.09 | cantido | born2troll: chown -R |
| 14:51.16 | Ryccardo | born2troll: `chown -R user:group folder` |
| 14:51.16 | Iridos | like... sell the disk? |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | that'll go poorly |
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| 14:51.48 | born2troll | awww... i tired -r |
| 14:51.50 | cantido | unix has folders? :p |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | man pages are hard .. |
| 14:52.03 | Ryccardo | cantido: the GUI does ;) |
| 14:52.06 | Iridos | let's go juggling! |
| 14:52.20 | cantido | abrotman: reading is overrated |
| 14:53.00 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 14:53.09 | cantido | Ryccardo: my GUI is a blinky white cursor on a sea of black.. where's the folders? ;p |
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| 14:53.33 | Ryccardo | I have a VM with Debian Sid from 2003 installed -- KDE 3 used to be so good :\ |
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| 14:53.58 | cantido | Ryccardo: kde4 isn't so bad now. it works a lot better than it used to |
| 14:54.06 | pouilet | so i want to disable GDM from starting up (i think it might be gdm3) "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" Is this the best way to disable this? |
| 14:54.12 | cantido | it still has lots of stupid bugs though :/ |
| 14:54.19 | abrotman | pouilet: yes |
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| 14:55.03 | Ryccardo | cantido: well, I hate how they tried to make it "a clone" of Win/OSX -- file indexing? high end GUI? on a Pentium 3? |
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| 14:56.06 | cantido | Ryccardo: the file indexing thing is crap.. but most people have new-ish machines and would prefer to have features rather than suffer for the small amount of people that still use P3 hardware.. |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | if you don't like it, don't use it .. end of story |
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| 14:56.32 | Vespakoen | Hey guys, maybe you can help me, Im trying to install Debian on my mac (dual boot) with reFit, I got it installed but it doesn't boot, looks like my MBR is not good (http://pastie.org/3744999) when i try to sync it (on boot with the partition tool) i get an error "not found returned from gptsync.efi" anyone got a clue? |
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| 14:56.55 | cantido | Vespakoen: um, I used to run that setup.. |
| 14:57.14 | Vespakoen | cantido, then i hope you can help me =D |
| 14:57.26 | Vespakoen | I should note, i have lion installed, maybe that is causing problems ? |
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| 14:57.51 | pouilet | How do i remove avahi as well? some random page said "update-rc.d avahi-daemon remove" is not enough to stop avahi! |
| 14:58.01 | cantido | Vespakoen: I think I created space for Debian with the osx tools.. then installed refit, I don't remember when I did the gpt and mbr partition table |
| 14:58.13 | cantido | Vespakoen: I never got grub to work though, I had to use lilo |
| 14:58.30 | Vespakoen | i see... |
| 14:58.40 | cantido | and then I deleted OSX and just used the firmwares MBR booter thingy and everything was great :) |
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| 15:00.20 | Vespakoen | hmmzz guess i should've done that =P |
| 15:00.29 | cantido | Vespakoen: do you really need OSX? |
| 15:00.45 | Vespakoen | hehe |
| 15:00.46 | born2troll | how to change the group? chgroup? |
| 15:00.52 | Vespakoen | not sure yet, hence the dual boot |
| 15:00.55 | cantido | born2troll: man chown |
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| 15:01.13 | Ryccardo | born2troll: "chgrp" or just change both with chown |
| 15:01.24 | pouilet | How can i see what apt-get install <pkg> wwhat other packaages are going to be brought in? |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | pouilet: it tells you |
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| 15:02.01 | cantido | Vespakoen: If I remember correctly it's just a case of making space on the disk in osx, installing debian to the free space and installing an MBR bootblock on the partition (I think) so that refit finds it |
| 15:02.12 | cantido | Vespakoen: I'm trying to dig up the tutorial I followed at the time |
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| 15:03.03 | cantido | Vespakoen: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Double_boot_-_Mac_OS_X_.26_Debian |
| 15:03.05 | Vespakoen | ok cool |
| 15:03.37 | cantido | if its an older macbook there are issues with the EFI firmware not being able to run 64bit grub and some other issues like that |
| 15:03.45 | cantido | high quality apple software ;) |
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| 15:04.47 | Vespakoen | mid 2010 =( ? |
| 15:05.15 | cantido | I think that's new-ish .. my macbook that had the issues was 2008 or 2009 I think |
| 15:05.24 | cantido | it's long since departed |
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| 15:05.57 | Vespakoen | oops |
| 15:06.08 | cantido | there are 32bit grub packages in amd64 I think though for exactly that reason |
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| 15:07.28 | Vespakoen | I am talking to some guy in MacOSX channel, he states that installing linux on a mac is a death sentence for your machine |
| 15:07.34 | cantido | I think I wrote the bit about Japanese keyboards on that page.. and it says 2008. |
| 15:07.43 | Vespakoen | becuase of the power management stuff mac uses |
| 15:08.22 | cantido | Vespakoen: well, its not hard to go back to OSX. Considering it's basically an intel reference design I don't see why it would have any issues with linux |
| 15:08.34 | cantido | all of the issues I had were apples crap firmware |
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| 15:09.20 | Vespakoen | The guy says that it will bake the CPU =P |
| 15:09.30 | bitHipy | why is the "netinst" release triple the size of the "businesscard" release? |
| 15:09.31 | Vespakoen | any linux, and the newer the mac, the worse |
| 15:09.40 | bitHipy | what's the purpose of the "businesscard" release? |
| 15:09.46 | cantido | Vespakoen: The cpu has thermal protection built in ;) |
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| 15:10.09 | Vespakoen | ill tell him that |
| 15:10.10 | cantido | Vespakoen: the machine will turn off if it gets to "baking" temp |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | bitHipy: to fit on business card CDs ? |
| 15:10.19 | abrotman | bitHipy: generally, use the netinst |
| 15:10.20 | Dinkum | can anybody tell me how to create a script to open multiple router in tab on gnome-terminal |
| 15:10.20 | Vespakoen | oh, he says it has to do with voltage |
| 15:10.43 | bitHipy | abrotman: why woulding the businesscard release make the netinst redundant? |
| 15:10.52 | bitHipy | s/wouliding/wouldn't/ |
| 15:10.57 | cantido | Vespakoen: maybe he's just trying to put you off.. once you use debian a bit you won't want OSX anymore |
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| 15:11.27 | Vespakoen | hehe i know, but if it fries my machine, it is aproblem, i would have to solder 1000 pins at the same time to get a new CPU on there =P |
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| 15:12.23 | bitHipy | does "businesscard" = "minimal"? Someone recommended the minimal install to me, and I think that's what I want |
| 15:12.28 | abrotman | bitHipy: not really .. the business card *requires* a working network to get a base install, the netinst does not |
| 15:12.36 | cantido | Vespakoen: Apple will fix it for you .. you don't solder BGA packages by hand anyhow, and you need xray etc to do it properly.. so don't even worry about that |
| 15:12.37 | abrotman | bitHipy: no, you want the netinst |
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| 15:12.59 | bitHipy | okay, thanks abrotman |
| 15:13.03 | Vespakoen | yeh i know, was more of a joke |
| 15:13.23 | Vespakoen | so the guy says, the management of over-heating / over-powering is not in the chip-itself, only in xeon processors |
| 15:13.32 | Vespakoen | and the support for it is only in "mac" |
| 15:13.52 | cantido | Vespakoen: I think all intel chips have had internal thermal protection since the P3 |
| 15:14.35 | cantido | Vespakoen: either way, if it breaks Apple need to replace it unless you live in some country that doesn't have sensible consumer protection laws.. |
| 15:14.56 | Ryccardo | cantido: yeah, the problem is that the CPU internal implementation is "stop at 80°C, run at 79°C as much as you want" |
| 15:14.58 | Vespakoen | ok so the guys says (and states he is "has been a certified Apple tech for thirty-one years, it's my job to know this shit :)") : it'll panic on overtemp. it won't panic on 'almost panic temps for far too long', which is a mechanical death waiting to happen |
| 15:15.08 | Vespakoen | and: All Core-class CPUs, no matter what platform they are in, can and usually do hand over control to an SMbus-class device. Xeons do their own. |
| 15:15.19 | cantido | Vespakoen: you trust an apple tech? |
| 15:15.26 | Ryccardo | tl;dr put an ice cube on your CPU |
| 15:15.27 | Vespakoen | hehe |
| 15:15.29 | Vespakoen | i dunno |
| 15:15.29 | Vespakoen | =P |
| 15:15.55 | cantido | Ryccardo: the junction temp is like 100c+.. 80 is ok I guess |
| 15:15.55 | abrotman | sounds like a fanboi |
| 15:16.10 | cantido | Vespakoen: I have a feeling he just wants to put you off installing linux |
| 15:16.16 | Ryccardo | yeah, that 80°C was an example |
| 15:16.55 | cantido | Ryccardo: if it gets hot enough to cause the joints to fail Apple will need to replace it.. not fit for purpose etc |
| 15:17.19 | Vespakoen | im not sure if apple will replace something when linux is floating around on a disk |
| 15:17.19 | Vespakoen | =P |
| 15:17.26 | cantido | Vespakoen: they dont have a choice |
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| 15:17.57 | cantido | Vespakoen: they replaced the "logic board" in my macbook even though it was running linux |
| 15:18.06 | Vespakoen | I see? but i have to drive 200 km's to get to an apple store though =P |
| 15:18.15 | Dinkum | can anybody tell me how to create a script to open multiple router in tab on gnome-terminal |
| 15:18.20 | Ryccardo | Linux is legal and it's their fault anyway for depending on kernel support for critical system security safeguards |
| 15:18.35 | cantido | Vespakoen: yeah, thats one of the reasons I will never buy their stuff again |
| 15:18.52 | Vespakoen | yeh, since i know this, im never going to do so again =P |
| 15:19.06 | Vespakoen | building a product on top of unix and not supporting it, is asshole behaviour |
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| 15:19.25 | cantido | they did replace the screen my girlfriend cracked by shutting the lid with a pen on the keyboard though .. for free.. |
| 15:20.22 | dalkor | that's because with the amount they overcharge for their products they can afford it. |
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| 15:20.53 | cantido | yep, seriously over priced and osx is horrible |
| 15:21.01 | Vespakoen | Yeh i get that, but i don't know, im a little afraid of baking it, losing it for a week, and when that happends i am basically dead for a weak =P |
| 15:21.24 | Ryccardo | cantido: it's actually quite good, but they're making it too n00b-friendly |
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| 15:22.30 | cantido | Ryccardo: I'll take debian over it any day |
| 15:22.53 | Ryccardo | same, to be honest |
| 15:23.05 | cantido | 100+ MB updates to make a keyboard work correctly.. something seriously wrong with that |
| 15:23.09 | Ryccardo | that's why I actively use 2 computers ;) |
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| 15:23.34 | cantido | has 5 on this desk alone.. |
| 15:23.55 | Ryccardo | cantido: thinking about it, the biggest fail of OS X is -- last time a very basic GUI app should need 30+ MB of RAM = ? |
| 15:24.15 | cantido | Vespakoen: don't worry about it.. if it does explode get your money back and get a generic machine for half the price |
| 15:24.25 | Vespakoen | hehehe |
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| 15:24.35 | Vespakoen | i like my mac! (the outside that is) |
| 15:24.53 | Vespakoen | would be nice if someone would make a "generic" motherboard to put into it |
| 15:25.27 | cantido | Vespakoen: the motherboard is designed by Intel.. ;) |
| 15:25.34 | Vespakoen | oh i see =P |
| 15:25.37 | Vespakoen | well the MBR then |
| 15:25.39 | Vespakoen | ? |
| 15:25.47 | cantido | Vespakoen: on the partition table? |
| 15:26.27 | Dinkum | hello guys any body I need help in writing a script to open gnome-terminal in tabs with title |
| 15:26.28 | Vespakoen | I have no clue what exactly it is that makes linux not run correctly on a mac, but that part stinks, and should be replaced =P |
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| 15:26.43 | Ryccardo | it will run OK |
| 15:26.49 | Ryccardo | but always at full power |
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| 15:27.00 | cantido | Vespakoen: you should be able to use grub-efi.. but apples EFI firmware is broked |
| 15:27.08 | Angesius | !list |
| 15:27.08 | dpkg | angesius: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 15:27.11 | cantido | Ryccardo: cpufreq etc will work |
| 15:27.34 | cantido | Ryccardo: all that stuff is done via ACPI etc nowadays. Crazy PC standards! |
| 15:27.45 | abrotman | Dinkum: man gnome-terminal didn't help ? |
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| 15:28.02 | Ryccardo | (personally, I don't even care if it always runs at 100% -- that's the power I paid for ;W ) |
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| 15:28.10 | Angesius | !list |
| 15:28.11 | dpkg | angesius: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 15:28.22 | Dinkum | making no sense to me |
| 15:28.23 | abrotman | P-P-P-Powerbook |
| 15:28.23 | Angesius | !list |
| 15:28.23 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 15:28.28 | Dinkum | how to create a script |
| 15:28.33 | Angesius | !list |
| 15:28.34 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 15:28.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 15:28.35 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@151.54.81.49] by abrotman |
| 15:28.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 15:28.39 | abrotman | and we're done with that |
| 15:28.45 | Dinkum | what have i learned that i have to save the file .sh extension |
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| 15:28.49 | abrotman | Dinkum: google "bash programming" |
| 15:29.02 | jacobw | !tldp |
| 15:29.02 | dpkg | hmm... tldp is The Linux Documentation Project: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 15:29.11 | abrotman | no one remembers P-P-Powerbook :( |
| 15:29.13 | valdyn | Dinkum: no you dont ( the .sh extension ) |
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| 15:29.21 | Dinkum | bash programming |
| 15:29.27 | cantido | Ryccardo: I don't think you can run a recent laptop at full power 24/7 without it shutting down |
| 15:29.31 | Ryccardo | abrotman: that guy was a genius :p |
| 15:30.32 | cantido | needs some sort of external fan :/ |
| 15:31.11 | cantido | Dinkum: extensions don't really matter.. |
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| 15:35.07 | Dinkum | but can i have some sample to work on |
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| 15:36.21 | Ryccardo | Dinkum: the first line should be >> #!/bin/bash << -- that's all the standard stuff ;) |
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| 15:36.36 | cantido | Dinkum: If you can't write it then how will you understand enough to edit what someone else has done? |
| 15:36.43 | sysom | hi guys , when i'm trying to open skype , debian said http://pastie.org/3745180 |
| 15:37.00 | sysom | i have libasound.so.2: in my library but .... :-( |
| 15:37.07 | cantido | sysom: on amd64? |
| 15:37.19 | sysom | cantido: yes |
| 15:37.22 | cantido | sysom: make sure you have the ia32-libs stuff installed |
| 15:37.30 | Dinkum | actually right now my goal is to make sure i can access my lab |
| 15:37.36 | SgrA | I'm trying to use HUAWEI EC156 on my laptop (HP RV513) using wvidal. I've set up wvdial.conf but when I try to run wvdial, http://pastebin.com/aPVU5wtA . |
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| 15:37.41 | sysom | cantido: yes , i have installed but after skype |
| 15:37.52 | Dinkum | as i can in windows through securecrt |
| 15:37.54 | sysom | remove and try install again? |
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| 15:38.04 | Dinkum | i have securecrt installed in debian but it is not working :( |
| 15:38.08 | cantido | sysom: no, it should be fine, are you using their .deb package? |
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| 15:38.27 | sysom | cantido: yes i have installed it from deb package |
| 15:38.38 | Dinkum | something like securecrt in debian linux |
| 15:38.43 | tap10 | whats the package name for CAMELLIA cipher in debina? |
| 15:39.03 | lay | is there any cheap way for out-of-band management? |
| 15:39.13 | lay | my serverboard doe |
| 15:39.22 | lay | don't support anything |
| 15:39.31 | cantido | lay: you mean on machines without a BMC? |
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| 15:40.01 | cantido | sysom: mmm it just works here, but I'm using testing. Are you on squeeze? |
| 15:40.03 | lay | bmc? |
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| 15:40.19 | cantido | lay: board management controller.. that extra ethernet port on a server |
| 15:40.28 | sysom | cantido: yes im on squeeze , http://pastie.org/3745198 |
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| 15:40.44 | lay | yes. my serverboard is old intel STL2 |
| 15:41.15 | lay | it only supports serial redirection. i also need to control the power remotely. (reboot remotely..) |
| 15:41.20 | cantido | lay: if you don't have hardware support.. the best you can probably do is setup grub etc so that you get a serial console |
| 15:41.30 | cantido | lay: and make sure you can get access to the serial console somewhere |
| 15:41.43 | cantido | lay: or pickup a cheap old management card off of ebay |
| 15:41.50 | lay | it requires another server to control the server via serial console? |
| 15:42.02 | lay | it supports any kind of servers? |
| 15:42.09 | lay | thanks for the information cantido |
| 15:42.23 | cantido | lay: you won't get power management without hardware support |
| 15:42.48 | cantido | lay: if you don't mind doing some electronics you could do something with an arduino and some relays ;) |
| 15:43.13 | lay | arduino? |
| 15:43.19 | cnx | i asked in #debian first you would think their maintainers would know |
| 15:43.30 | lay | are you talking about some logical...something? |
| 15:43.49 | lay | oh electronics prototyping platform! |
| 15:43.57 | SgrA | I'm trying to use HUAWEI EC156 on my laptop (HP RV513) using wvidal. I've set up wvdial.conf but when I try to run wvdial, http://pastebin.com/aPVU5wtA . |
| 15:43.59 | cantido | lay: I think if you get an old dell pci management card off of ebay you can get KVM over IP etc.. I can't rememeber which card it is though, and getting drivers etc for those old cards isn't easy |
| 15:44.06 | cnx | anyone? |
| 15:44.11 | cnx | no maintainers here? |
| 15:44.26 | sysom | cantido: ah i see i have not libasound.so.2 for 32 bit |
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| 15:44.52 | cantido | lay: yeah, you could build yourself a little board with ethernet that can control power and redirect a serial console over ethernet :) |
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| 15:45.03 | lay | omg that's amazing! |
| 15:45.11 | cantido | sysom: ah, I forget which package that is in.. |
| 15:45.15 | abrotman | guess he didn't want to wait ... |
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| 15:46.04 | tremon | he didn't ask a question either... |
| 15:46.09 | sysom | cantido: but how i can install it for lib32? |
| 15:46.47 | Rydekull | abrotman: actually, he did |
| 15:46.56 | Rydekull | abrotman: 17:38 < tap10> whats the package name for CAMELLIA cipher in debina? |
| 15:47.04 | lay | old pci management card wouldn't support power management right? or it depends on a card? |
| 15:47.13 | Rydekull | oh |
| 15:47.18 | Rydekull | abrotman: sorry, that was for tremon :-D |
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| 15:47.27 | tremon | Rydekull: r u talking 2 me? :) |
| 15:47.35 | Rydekull | yeah, but failing horribly at it |
| 15:47.38 | cantido | lay: um, not 100% sure on that .. |
| 15:47.57 | tremon | Rydekull: I hope we're not supposed to track questions across nick changes? |
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| 15:48.18 | cantido | sysom: stable has lib32asound2 apparently |
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| 15:48.37 | tremon | wouldn't have known to answer that question anyway |
| 15:48.52 | Rydekull | tremon: just saying he did ask a question :-) But I agree, its a bit bad to change nick like that all of a sudden |
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| 15:49.17 | sysom | cantido: i have not :-( |
| 15:50.15 | abrotman | eyeballs Rydekull |
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| 15:51.04 | Rydekull | shuffles uneasily |
| 15:51.08 | Rydekull | it wasnt me |
| 15:51.14 | Rydekull | avoids highlighting again |
| 15:51.21 | cantido | lay: I read some blog about using old dell cards in normal PCs, can't find it now.. but you can probably google up some blogs of people that have done the same thing |
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| 15:51.36 | cantido | ,versions lib32asound2 |
| 15:51.36 | judd | No package named 'lib32asound2' was found in i386. |
| 15:51.48 | cantido | mmm how do you search in amd64? |
| 15:52.02 | tremon | cantido: --arch amd64 |
| 15:52.12 | cantido | ,versions lib32asound2 --arch amd64 |
| 15:52.13 | judd | Package: lib32asound2 on amd64 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.23-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; sid: 1.0.25-2; wheezy: 1.0.25-2 |
| 15:52.18 | lay | okay cantido thank you |
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| 15:52.57 | cantido | lay: there are some cards that should work in any machine, but those are crazy expensive .. I think they're called ERIC or something |
| 15:53.11 | cantido | sysom: it seems to be in there :/ |
| 15:53.21 | sysom | cantido: so? |
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| 15:53.44 | tremon | looks forward to the day that lib32asound2 will be replaced by libasound2:i386 |
| 15:53.47 | lay | hrmm.. |
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| 15:54.42 | somiaj | tremon: is that the method so you can basically install any 32bit lib on a 64bit system (As opposed to the premade ones)? |
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| 15:55.00 | cantido | somiaj: it's the multiarch stuff |
| 15:55.01 | tremon | somiaj: yes, it's the planned multiarch syntax |
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| 15:55.11 | tremon | * what he said |
| 15:55.22 | cantido | if you're running testing or unstable you should be seeing it when you install stuff |
| 15:55.24 | somiaj | oh good, I recall them trying to introduce something like that few years ago that didn't work, glad they got back to the idea. |
| 15:55.51 | somiaj | I'm running sid but I haven't seen it, though I haven't done much so I didn't notice |
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| 15:58.24 | tremon | somiaj: try dpkg -la, packages that have been declared multiarch-ready (and m-a:same iirc) should be arch-annotated now |
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| 16:00.53 | cantido | will we get a single port for arm in the end then? like armel + armhf packages for anything that needs it? |
| 16:01.20 | somiaj | tremon: ahh seeing some foo:amd64 libs, (: |
| 16:02.03 | tremon | cantido: don't know, but it's certainly possible |
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| 16:02.33 | cantido | It would be nice to have ARMv5+ etc packages for libc etc |
| 16:02.50 | cantido | oh and SH4A packages :) |
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| 16:06.20 | demoniccow | Does ndiswrapper work with wicd? |
| 16:06.42 | cantido | is ndiswrapper even needed anymore? |
| 16:06.57 | demoniccow | For usb wireless cards, yes |
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| 16:07.11 | demoniccow | For most build in ones, no |
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| 16:07.21 | cantido | demoniccow: I have never needed it for any usb wireless dongle |
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| 16:08.01 | cantido | as far as I can tell there are drivers for almost every chipset out there |
| 16:08.06 | demoniccow | I needed to install ndiswrapper for mine to work |
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| 16:08.53 | demoniccow | But i want to re-install debian so i dont have gnome running in the backround with lxde, if i remove gnome it removes ndiswrapper to for some reason |
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| 16:17.49 | Dinkum | Hi guys I am back |
| 16:18.03 | pikaro | hi! I'm trying to clean my system of useless clutter, and thus marked any packet I didn't consider to provide a frontend (e. g. those ending in -common, those saying they provide a framework, those starting with lib) as automatically installed, assuming anything necessary to packets I didn't mark would stay on the system on apt-get autoremove. however, the autoremove list presented to me now is quite long, and I wonder if I got the purpose of a |
| 16:18.03 | pikaro | uto/manu installed wron. did I? |
| 16:18.27 | Dinkum | thanks for the headstart now i have created a script which can open all my routers in a single window of gnome-terminal with multiple tabs yaaaay |
| 16:18.29 | pikaro | *wrong |
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| 16:19.18 | Dinkum | but now i want to know how to send a password initially because when it connect to my router it ask for password can i automate this can some one help me |
| 16:19.29 | SgrA | I'm trying to use HUAWEI EC156 on Samsung RV513, but when I run wvdial, http://pastebin.com/4FnfBNMb . This is my /etc/wvdial.conf: http://pastebin.com/VjvQgrX4 . |
| 16:19.49 | Ryccardo | pikaro: "autoremove" removes all auto-installed packages (only as long as this doesn't break Depends:) |
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| 16:20.55 | pikaro | so I got the concept right? because if any other packet depended on the libraries I marked as automatically installed, they wouldn't be autoremoved, right? |
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| 16:21.55 | Ryccardo | yeah, the idea is right |
| 16:22.30 | pikaro | so I just need to trust the maintainers that their depends are complete ;) ok thanks! |
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| 16:34.41 | Dinkum | guys i have wireless speakers and wireless headset but they are not installed in Debian but when I was working with Ubuntu they were installed automatically |
| 16:34.50 | Dinkum | how can i install them in Debian |
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| 16:35.36 | cantido | Dinkum: do you even try to work out how to do something before asking here? |
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| 16:36.22 | Dinkum | yup |
| 16:36.34 | Dinkum | there is no driver on the official website |
| 16:36.37 | DeadPanda | Hey all. I'm considering installing Debian Testing on my home workstation, but I've been running it at the lab and Gnome Shell's mighty unstable (restarting itself at least once an hour); was that just an artefact of having an ATI card, what's people's mileage on NVIDIA? |
| 16:36.40 | abrotman | Dinkum: so what did you try ? |
| 16:36.57 | Dinkum | and i searched the ubuntu forum for the same with no luch |
| 16:36.59 | abrotman | DeadPanda: i've been using gnome3 for months, haven't had the shell restart once |
| 16:37.12 | abrotman | DeadPanda: but my video card is intel .. |
| 16:37.21 | cantido | DeadPanda: Xorg should be hiding hardware issues from software |
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| 16:38.06 | DeadPanda | cantido, in an ideal world, in which unicorns fly across the sky crapping rainbows. certainly hasn't been my experience with fglrx (or radeon) |
| 16:38.24 | DeadPanda | cantido, abrotman: thanks all, I guess I'll just have to give it a try |
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| 16:38.42 | cantido | DeadPanda: what I'm saying is that gnome doing something that crashes the ati drivers arent really gnome's fault ;) |
| 16:39.04 | DeadPanda | cantido, no, we can all agree it's clutter's fault |
| 16:39.09 | abrotman | DeadPanda: FWIW, try it as a different user .. make sure it's not your setup |
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| 16:40.02 | Dinkum | so guys any pointers.. |
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| 16:40.43 | cantido | DeadPanda: um, if you know what the issue is.. why aren't you busy fixing it? ;) |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | Dinkum: so what did you try ? |
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| 16:41.12 | DeadPanda | cantido, something about binary drivers and my cards not being supported by the open source driver yet /sigh/ |
| 16:41.21 | cantido | guesses .. Googled for "my speakers don't work" and then asked here |
| 16:41.42 | Dinkum | abortman: i went to the official site to see any notes regarding linux, I went to ubuntu forum to see someone posted any question, I searched google to find any relevent post article or anything, nothing found |
| 16:41.59 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, can you explain the problem again? |
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| 16:42.16 | abrotman | Dinkum: you googled "wireless speakers <model> Debian" ? |
| 16:42.29 | cantido | DeadPanda: yeah, the drivers not being great isn't gnome's fault though.. anyhow the nvidia drivers seem pretty good, intel is also good if you don't want really good 3d |
| 16:42.46 | cantido | DeadPanda: the intel drivers support va-api now from what I can tell though |
| 16:42.46 | Dinkum | I have a wireless speaker Aluratek Bump, it has it's on bluetooth dongle |
| 16:43.02 | DeadPanda | cantido, NVIDIA for CUDA, not much choice |
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| 16:43.28 | DeadPanda | cantido, anyway, thanks - I prefer the Debian environment, so worst case I'll just use XFCE |
| 16:43.47 | cantido | DeadPanda: KDE4 works ;) |
| 16:44.05 | DeadPanda | cantido, never got around to liking that for some reason :/ |
| 16:44.40 | cantido | I wouldn't use LXDE on a powerful machine anyhow.. throwing away a ton of useful features for no reason there |
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| 16:45.05 | cantido | if you less than a gig of RAM and a processor that is hand built out of TTL logic.. maybe |
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| 16:45.55 | DeadPanda | cantido, I'm not averse to giving it another try (may well do), but... I don't know, never liked the feel of it. It's just personal bias, though, so ymmv. |
| 16:46.12 | DeadPanda | cantido, although QT is nice to work with |
| 16:46.28 | Dinkum | abortman nothing came up with that query |
| 16:47.06 | cantido | DeadPanda: Gnome always made me think my computer was stuck in the 80's.. the widgets etc weren't great last time I used it.. might have changed now |
| 16:47.12 | cantido | likes glib etc though |
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| 16:47.33 | abrotman | Dinkum: wait .. why would the OS care about the speakers? aren't they driven by the sound card? |
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| 16:47.57 | Dinkum | they are wireless |
| 16:47.57 | cantido | abrotman: I think they're using audio over bluetooth.. |
| 16:48.07 | raptor67782 | how to do apt-get install and exclude one dependency? |
| 16:48.22 | raptor67782 | I dont want to install x11-common |
| 16:48.24 | abrotman | raptor67782: take the package apart and change that |
| 16:48.29 | cantido | Dinkum: do you have bluz-* installed? there is a package for handling audio IIRC |
| 16:48.31 | abrotman | raptor67782: for what package that you're trying to install ? |
| 16:48.40 | raptor67782 | abrotman: I d not undestand |
| 16:48.46 | abrotman | raptor67782: for what package that you're trying to install ? |
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| 16:48.52 | raptor67782 | apt-get install imagemagick withou x11-common |
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| 16:49.07 | abrotman | raptor67782: but it' snot installing X |
| 16:49.12 | Dinkum | how to check that cantido |
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| 16:49.30 | abrotman | Dinkum: man dpkg |
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| 16:49.37 | somiaj | x11-common really isn't a package to worry about, it has very little in it |
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| 16:50.14 | beli | hi there....squeeze -> squid -> is it possible to auth against mysql db? i cannot find squd_db_auth on my system |
| 16:50.23 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, simple bit of debugging; "tail -f /var/log/messages" and try to pair your speakers |
| 16:50.24 | Dinkum | apt-cache policy bluz --- nothing found |
| 16:50.35 | vaco | Hi I'm pretty new to linux. How would I extract a zipped file "tar.bz2" that has spaces in through the terminal? |
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| 16:50.44 | abrotman | vaco: quote it |
| 16:51.02 | cantido | vaco: tar xjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 16:51.02 | abrotman | vaco: tar -options "foo file.tar.bz2" |
| 16:51.07 | cantido | vaco: man tar :) |
| 16:51.16 | abrotman | why bother .. he has you |
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| 16:51.36 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, also, you have installed pulseaudio-module-bluetooth? (assuming you're using pulse) |
| 16:51.38 | vaco | haha thank you all i did man it but I must of skipped over the quote part |
| 16:51.41 | vaco | thanks again |
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| 16:51.59 | tremon | vaco: quoting isn't in the tar manual |
| 16:52.04 | cantido | vaco: bash completion should have added the escaping for you :) |
| 16:52.07 | raptor67782 | somiaj: I do not need it |
| 16:52.14 | Dinkum | DeadPanda how can i check that I have it or not and If I don't have it how can I install it |
| 16:52.23 | raptor67782 | no need to install x11-common, ... it is a headless server |
| 16:52.30 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, just try to install it, "sudo aptitude install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth" |
| 16:52.36 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, if it isn't installed, that'll add it for you. |
| 16:52.40 | somiaj | raptor67782: You are missing the point of x11-common. |
| 16:52.49 | tremon | raptor67782: the imagemagick maintainers disagree with you, apparently |
| 16:52.50 | Dinkum | no it is not installed |
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| 16:53.07 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, before you do that - which version of debian are you running, and which desktop environment? |
| 16:53.18 | tremon | raptor67782: if you really want to break your system, check equivs and create a dummy package that provides x11-common |
| 16:53.28 | valdyn | raptor67782: I wonder why you worry just about x11-common when the *other* dependencies are huge and substantial while x11-common is not |
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| 16:54.00 | Dinkum | ohohoh |
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| 16:54.03 | cantido | wonders why you would bother with wireless speakers over bluetooth.. surely you can manage <10m worth of wire |
| 16:54.16 | Dinkum | I am running Squeeze I installed yesterday for first time |
| 16:54.17 | raptor67782 | If I do not need it, why to install it. I am sure that imagemagick will work without |
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| 16:54.29 | valdyn | raptor67782: it wont |
| 16:54.30 | raptor67782 | and I will not break the box if I havent x11-common, isnt it? |
| 16:54.34 | abrotman | raptor67782: it's not installing X |
| 16:54.35 | somiaj | raptor67782: imagemagick contains 'display' which does use X. being dependent on a small common package to allow for this is a nice way to go about it, since x11-common barely takes up a meg of space |
| 16:54.45 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, I'll be back in 15 minutes, for now, install that bluetooth package for pulse, logout/login again and check your audio properties for an output device (assuming you've paired the speakers with the system) |
| 16:54.58 | Dinkum | i am getting lots of errors after running the command |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | has Dinkum verified sound works at all ? |
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| 16:55.32 | Dinkum | yes My sound card is attached to headsets which are not wireless and it is working |
| 16:55.41 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.02 | raptor67682 | test |
| 16:56.04 | abrotman | fail? |
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| 16:57.14 | abrotman | raptor67682: you realize it's not actually installing X, right ? |
| 16:57.40 | raptor67682 | abrotman: sure, I do realize. no x11 installed |
| 16:57.42 | Dinkum | abortman my sound is working without any issues, only wireless is not working |
| 16:57.58 | valdyn | raptor67682: you have plenty X installed. Otherwise you complaining about x11-common makes no sense |
| 16:58.05 | raptor67682 | I have only a space of 600 mb, and I cannot install things that are not necessary at all |
| 16:58.17 | cantido | raptor67682: x11-common isn't massive.. |
| 16:58.27 | abrotman | judd: info x11-common --release squeeze |
| 16:58.28 | judd | Package x11-common (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure. Version: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; Size: 272.5k; Installed: 568k |
| 16:58.32 | raptor67682 | cantido: I know ... |
| 16:58.32 | somiaj | its like 500k if that, and it is nessercary. |
| 16:58.34 | abrotman | oh dear .. 568k ... |
| 16:58.37 | cantido | and you'll probably install other stuff that is linked against x11 at some point |
| 16:58.59 | abrotman | raptor67682: anyway .. you'd have to recompile the package to not hvae X dependencies |
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| 16:59.08 | abrotman | raptor67682: and then you'd be responsible for security patches, etc |
| 16:59.18 | raptor67682 | I am scared that apt-get get to ask other stuffs than x11-common |
| 16:59.32 | raptor67682 | if apt-get install, mess up then the box wiht x11 stuffs? |
| 16:59.38 | abrotman | raptor67682: it will tell you what it's installed |
| 16:59.40 | abrotman | installing |
| 16:59.42 | valdyn | raptor67682: yes, lots |
| 16:59.52 | tremon | raptor67682: if you don't trust apt-get then use dpkg |
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| 17:00.07 | cantido | or just get a bigger disk |
| 17:00.09 | abrotman | wtf .. that won't help |
| 17:00.13 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.16 | raptor67682 | sthg like this |
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| 17:00.30 | valdyn | raptor67682: x11-common is *not* the package to worry about |
| 17:00.31 | cantido | raptor67682: and then the thingy you installed wouldn't work |
| 17:00.34 | ksx4system | how do I force remove package? |
| 17:00.38 | ksx4system | I can't remove MariaDB |
| 17:00.44 | nkuttler | !tell ksx4system about errors |
| 17:00.47 | somiaj | ksx4system: why cna't you remove it, what errors do you get? |
| 17:01.14 | ksx4system | somiaj: error code 1 from dpkg |
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| 17:01.19 | abrotman | ksx4system: use a pastebin .. |
| 17:01.24 | ksx4system | somiaj: I was trying to downgrade 5.5 to 5.3 |
| 17:01.28 | somiaj | ksx4system: we need more than that, usually the actual error is a line or two above that |
| 17:01.30 | ksx4system | abrotman: w8 |
| 17:01.35 | abrotman | english ... |
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| 17:01.49 | raptor67682 | I do not need it x11-common... I try to save space... even <1mb. I have a plug box wiith squeeze of 9 Watts only. I write on a SD card. |
| 17:01.59 | valdyn | oh ffs |
| 17:02.08 | cantido | raptor67682: get a bigger SD card |
| 17:02.24 | raptor67682 | thus I have no flexbility for extra packages... if not needed. |
| 17:02.24 | cantido | raptor67682: and if you're so tight on space you dont want to be running debian |
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| 17:02.44 | ksx4system | abrotman, somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/162451/ |
| 17:02.45 | raptor67682 | and by the way, why to always add non necessary packages to dependencies? |
| 17:02.46 | cantido | raptor67682: i.e. debian includes tons of docs etc.. it's not designed to fit into a tiny space |
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| 17:03.07 | ksx4system | by the way I've changed repositories from these for 5.5 to these for 5.3 |
| 17:03.15 | ksx4system | official AskMonty ones of course |
| 17:03.20 | raptor67682 | cantido: it does although very well. Nothing is better than debian |
| 17:03.32 | cantido | raptor67682: it's not unnecessary.. there are some nox versions in debian .. x11-common is tiny |
| 17:03.50 | ksx4system | any reinstall/uninstall/upgrade/downgrade of MySQL and MariaDB is real hell under Debian |
| 17:03.50 | tremon | raptor67682: emacs is better than debian |
| 17:03.52 | tremon | runs |
| 17:03.58 | ksx4system | but one of my apps can't run 5.5 |
| 17:03.59 | cantido | raptor67682: a 16gb SD is cheap, go and buy one instead of wasting time breaking stuff |
| 17:04.00 | somiaj | raptor67682: again you understand that imagemagick contains the 'display' command? |
| 17:04.07 | nkuttler | ksx4system: debian doesn't support downgrades |
| 17:04.10 | ksx4system | so I'll have to downgrade to 5.3 |
| 17:04.30 | ksx4system | nkuttler: but I still can delete newer one, swap repository lines and install older one |
| 17:04.33 | ksx4system | that's a good downgrade |
| 17:04.37 | raptor67682 | somiaj: ah yes, display, that's true... I forgot. Thank you |
| 17:04.44 | nkuttler | !tell ksx4system about downgrade |
| 17:05.16 | cantido | raptor67682: if you really want you could build your own -nox version of imagemagick. not worth the time for a few hundred k |
| 17:05.29 | somiaj | raptor67682: so wouldn't you rather a case like this to depend on a very small common package to allow for that, as opposed to a lot more? |
| 17:05.56 | ksx4system | nkuttler: omg, so I can't just purge whatever possible from 5.5 using any available force and install it again? |
| 17:06.01 | abrotman | ksx4system: you realize mariadb isn't in Debian ? |
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| 17:06.23 | nkuttler | oh that as well? |
| 17:06.30 | raptor67682 | cantido: I scroll again the apt-get . and I was surprise that one cannot exclude what he wants during apt-get install. I thought that it was possible ... or maybe with potatoes |
| 17:06.42 | ksx4system | abrotman, it's not of course |
| 17:06.53 | ksx4system | but MySQL used to cause exactly identical issue |
| 17:06.57 | peterS | raptor67682: if you want that sort of fine control, the full-screen aptitude interface is much nicer |
| 17:07.01 | cantido | raptor67682: you can't exlude things that a package depends on as that would result in a broken system |
| 17:07.18 | peterS | it takes some getting used to, certainly, but it's very nice once you are used to it |
| 17:07.41 | cantido | raptor67682: you can do pinning etc so that stuff you don't want can't be installed, but that makes packages that depends on those packages uninstallable |
| 17:08.19 | abrotman | ksx4system: a) downgrades aren't supported b) Debian doesn't put more than one version of mysql in a version of Debian AFAIK |
| 17:08.26 | cantido | raptor67682: you could get the source for imagemagick, work out how to stop it building parts that need to link against X11 libs and build a package that doesn't need x11-common |
| 17:08.36 | peterS | anyway, 'apt-get install' can remove things if you say 'packagename-' instead of 'packagename'. But there isn't a corresponding suffix for "don't install or upgrade, but if it's already present, don't remove it" |
| 17:08.55 | abrotman | !tell raptor67682 about equivs |
| 17:08.57 | tremon | peterS: there is, : |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | that'll fix him up :) |
| 17:09.37 | ksx4system | abrotman: but uninstall is supported, right? |
| 17:09.50 | ksx4system | abrotman: all I want to do is uninstall. nothing less, nothing more for now. |
| 17:09.51 | peterS | tremon: oh? huh, that's not documented. so, like, apt-get install foo libfoo0: will upgrade foo but not libfoo0 even if it wanted to? |
| 17:10.22 | ksx4system | abrotman: well, it looks like I'll have to rebuild the server |
| 17:10.31 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, any luck? |
| 17:10.36 | tremon | peterS: ah, don't actually know about apt-get. I was thinking of aptitude |
| 17:11.00 | Dinkum | nope |
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| 17:11.38 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, doh - like I said, try "tail -f /var/log/messages" while you pair your speakers with the system, watch for any warnings |
| 17:11.57 | abrotman | ksx4system: i doubt it .. |
| 17:12.00 | cantido | http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa .. mmmmm |
| 17:12.12 | ksx4system | abrotman: well... so if apt supports uninstall - why can't i do it? |
| 17:12.14 | Dinkum | i don't pair anything there are no buttons on my speaker for pairing |
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| 17:12.39 | abrotman | ksx4system: why don't you debug the script |
| 17:12.48 | ksx4system | abrotman: how? |
| 17:12.53 | ksx4system | abrotman: I have no idea... |
| 17:12.57 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, I'm confused. Are these connected to a transciever via the 2.5mm jack on your sound card or something? |
| 17:13.16 | cantido | Dinkum: check the wiki page I posted a link to |
| 17:13.20 | DeadPanda | *3.55 |
| 17:13.26 | ksx4system | abrotman: in most cases Debian is rock stable and works perfectly but sometimes it crashes on me worse than Windows and OS X did |
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| 17:13.38 | Dinkum | it has its own wireless bluetooth type device |
| 17:13.50 | cantido | ksx4system: kernels crash .. debian isn't a kernel |
| 17:14.00 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, and how do you connect that to your system? |
| 17:14.01 | abrotman | ksx4system: because you're doing things you're not supposed to |
| 17:14.08 | cantido | DeadPanda: my guess is that the speakers are locked to the dongle |
| 17:14.25 | cantido | DeadPanda: or they just pair with the first device to talk to them |
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| 17:15.22 | ksx4system | cantido: but apt and aptitude are integral parts of Debian. these cause most of my problems |
| 17:15.23 | raptor67682 | peterS: so you mean : apt-get install ? The following NEW packages will be installed: imagemagick libice6 liblcms1 liblqr-1-0 libmagickcore3 libmagickwand3 libsm6 libxt6 x11-common 0 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded. After this operation, 9134 kB of additional disk space will be used |
| 17:15.50 | peterS | raptor67682: that looks normal, yeah. is it a problem? |
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| 17:15.57 | cantido | ksx4system: PEBKAC ;) |
| 17:16.34 | tremon | raptor67682: please stop this. You have been given at least two workarounds for your situation and at least ten reasons why you should rethink your requirements |
| 17:16.46 | cantido | ksx4system: I've never actually had dpkg crash .. sometimes packages can't be uninstalled because their postrm or whatever script fails.. |
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| 17:16.59 | cantido | but I've never seen dpkg or apt-get actually crash |
| 17:17.16 | Dinkum | Guyz now somehow I have all of them in volume control Logitech and SYNIC_Wireless Audio Analog |
| 17:17.48 | Dinkum | but I don't know how to switch the voice from one to another at the moment the output is my wired headphone |
| 17:18.25 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, System Settings -> Sound -> Output |
| 17:18.27 | cantido | raptor67682: you'll always be fighting to have any disk free with 1gb |
| 17:18.31 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, select the device to use from the list |
| 17:18.33 | ksx4system | cantido: well, it'll be much easier and faster to ask VPS provider if they have a backup |
| 17:18.56 | ksx4system | or just reinstall this box (I don't care about data, these are all backups of an old box) |
| 17:19.42 | cantido | raptor67682: you can probably find a 2GB SD card for nothing and it would help you to no end |
| 17:20.13 | Dinkum | I changed no audio at all now |
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| 17:20.25 | raptor67682 | cantido: I have to finish the box for a colleague, I havent much choices (+ it is holiddays) |
| 17:20.55 | cantido | raptor67682: how much more stuff do you intend to install? |
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| 17:21.27 | cantido | raptor67682: if 9MB is a problem you're going to have to stop any logging etc to stop the root fs from filling up |
| 17:21.59 | cantido | you might as well use OpenWRT or something that is meant to go into a small space |
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| 17:22.54 | cantido | by the time you've installed nullmailer, dropbear etc to free up as much space as possible you've undone the point of having debian over openwrt |
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| 17:24.19 | Dinkum | Youtube has no voice at all now, even changing back to the normal one not helping |
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| 17:27.01 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, Flash is probably a bad thing to test audio with anyway, it breaks in all kinds of ways |
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| 17:27.36 | DeadPanda | Dinkum, without physically seeing your setup, I can't really help more; it doesn't seem you're entirely clear on how the speakers actually connect to the system, and without knowing that, there's nothing we can do |
| 17:28.22 | raptor67682 | cantido: I have isntall elinks, alsa, mpg321, sox, irssi, ssh |
| 17:29.17 | cantido | raptor67682: install everything you want and then go back and peel off any stuff that's taking up space.. |
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| 17:29.52 | lay | every products are too expensive.. |
| 17:29.58 | cantido | but if a few mb is a problem it's not going to run for long before everything starts failing because root is full |
| 17:30.02 | lay | or lacks of information. |
| 17:30.18 | cantido | lay: for your system management? |
| 17:30.21 | lay | yes.. |
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| 17:30.29 | lay | lack* |
| 17:30.41 | cantido | lay: it's expensive stuff.. |
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| 17:31.06 | lay | :c i'd just buy some barebone for homeserver |
| 17:31.19 | Dinkum | hi guys where can i post the image so that people can see |
| 17:31.20 | raptor67682 | cantido: debian is really great for that. You install it as server (300-400mb), and then you had few little stuffs and quickly you build a small harddisk space server... debian is great |
| 17:31.36 | cantido | lay: you can buy proper servers with management built in from ebay pretty cheap.. |
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| 17:32.05 | cantido | raptor67682: IMHO 1GB is too small to have a workable system now |
| 17:32.14 | Ryccardo | ^ |
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| 17:32.33 | Ryccardo | if you want any decent GUI, 3 GB is a bare minimum |
| 17:32.50 | bensons | even without gui you will need more than 1GB |
| 17:32.54 | cantido | Ryccardo: this is on an ARM plug computer I think, so it won't have any UI stuff |
| 17:32.56 | raptor67682 | cantido: but you can have a 300-400mb server install, so ? it looks feasible, no? |
| 17:32.58 | Lint01 | base system is slightly more than 1 GB |
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| 17:33.15 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.20 | cantido | raptor67682: 400mb for the raw binaries.. and then the system starts running and caching stuff, logging etc |
| 17:33.32 | cantido | raptor67682: and soon everything starts failing because there is no space on root |
| 17:33.39 | raptor67682 | cantido: you mean : /var/log ? |
| 17:33.54 | Dinkum | cantido would ou please take a look now i have drivers installed I think but when I am changing there is no audio output |
| 17:34.03 | cantido | it only takes one app to start outputting some crap for a few days to fill up the tiny amount of free space you'll have |
| 17:35.11 | cantido | then you start replacing SSH etc with the mini versions like dropbear and you basically lose all of the features that make it worth running debian |
| 17:35.40 | bensons | and besode that, who cares. hdd space is cheap nowadays |
| 17:35.45 | bensons | s/beso/besi/ |
| 17:36.00 | cantido | bensons: he's running off of an SD card |
| 17:36.16 | bensons | even a 4gb sd card is cheap! :) |
| 17:36.17 | cantido | a newer SDHC card will be a ton faster too :) |
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| 17:36.21 | cantido | yep |
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| 17:38.47 | cantido | I run an ARM box off of a 2GB SD card.. even that is too small, a bunch of updates will make it impossible to install them in one go and I have to pick through them with aptitude to make the .debs fit on disk and upgrade in stages |
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| 17:42.41 | bensons | cantido: yep, mine runs a alix on 4gb cf, thats enough |
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| 17:44.09 | cantido | bensons: CF kicks SD's ass :) |
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| 17:44.57 | Iridos | didn't know sd has an ass |
| 17:45.08 | cantido | Iridos: it's slow as ass ;) |
| 17:45.37 | Iridos | as they say... an ass can do the work of an ox in a time of no horses... |
| 17:46.04 | bensons | hehe |
| 17:46.50 | cantido | knows that SD cards don't like doing complete kernel builds 3 or 4 times a deal |
| 17:46.53 | cantido | s/deal/day/ |
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| 17:47.45 | bensons | cantido: cross compile it :) |
| 17:47.48 | Ryccardo | feelin' bored? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUPSuQRnUPA :P |
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| 17:48.20 | cantido | bensons: The ARM machine runs distcc to ship the work out to 2 amd64 boxes :) |
| 17:48.38 | lay | do you think i can make some console redirector(serial redirector) using.. Arduino? |
| 17:49.06 | cantido | lay: to ethernet? I think there are already existing projects that do just that |
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| 17:49.29 | Ryccardo | netcat? |
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| 17:50.13 | cantido | Ryccardo: he wants server management on a budget |
| 17:50.34 | tremon | ilo without the i? |
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| 17:51.05 | cantido | tremon: I think he wants a serial console and power cycling etc |
| 17:51.23 | cantido | Arduino + Ethernet shield + some relays |
| 17:51.27 | Ryccardo | can something emulate a keyboard? |
| 17:51.36 | cantido | yeah |
| 17:51.39 | Ryccardo | (shift+alt+sysrq+B) |
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| 17:52.10 | Ryccardo | well, assuming it won't ever panic |
| 17:52.17 | lay | Arduino + Eternet shield is more expensive than the server itself lol |
| 17:52.20 | cantido | Ryccardo: no much point emulating the keyboard if you can't see the screen.. you could just hook the reset switch up to the controller |
| 17:52.43 | cantido | lay: heh, you can get old rack mount servers off of ebay for < $200 |
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| 17:52.50 | Ryccardo | just walk up to the computer, so low budget huh? |
| 17:53.00 | innociv | How do I filter the lines of a log? I just want to see lines with 07/Apr/2012:13:4 |
| 17:53.09 | cantido | innociv: grep |
| 17:53.10 | Ryccardo | innociv: grep, I'd say |
| 17:53.13 | lay | my server is like < $20 |
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| 17:53.26 | cantido | lay: you get what you pay for :) |
| 17:53.26 | lay | haha.. |
| 17:53.39 | cantido | did you get RAID1 for that? |
| 17:54.17 | lay | no raid |
| 17:54.24 | lay | just one IDE hard drive |
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| 17:54.41 | Ryccardo | btw, I upgraded my 10GB hdd to an 80GB one for FREE, thank whoever throws away hard drives (with content) next to the trash cans |
| 17:54.48 | cantido | save up another $20 for another machine and build a HA cluster |
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| 17:55.16 | innociv | "grep -v '07/Apr/2012:13:4' lighttpd/access.log |
| 17:55.16 | innociv | "? Seems to be returning everything. |
| 17:55.34 | cantido | innociv: drop the -v |
| 17:55.45 | Diopter | innociv: -v inVerts the search. |
| 17:55.46 | innociv | ... oh |
| 17:55.46 | lay | http://i.imgur.com/hT00i.jpg |
| 17:55.54 | innociv | Lmao was looking at something and got confused |
| 17:56.12 | Ryccardo | how many fans does that thing have :o |
| 17:56.34 | lay | um.. 4? |
| 17:56.34 | Ryccardo | :o |
| 17:56.34 | cantido | pci-x slots? |
| 17:56.37 | lay | 64bit i guess |
| 17:56.55 | cantido | lay: what are you going to be running on it? |
| 17:57.06 | lay | actually.. nothing |
| 17:57.14 | lay | i'm gonna run some transmission.. (seedbox) |
| 17:57.19 | lay | and irc bouncer.. |
| 17:57.22 | lay | znc+weechat |
| 17:57.28 | cantido | sounds like more than nothing |
| 17:57.30 | lay | and some webservices.. |
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| 17:58.44 | lay | i want linux x.x |
| 17:58.45 | cantido | lay: if you have the budget you might be better of with a VPS |
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| 17:59.10 | lay | i have to pay monthly it's way too much |
| 17:59.16 | cantido | lay: you wouldn't have to worry about power etc then, you would have a control panel to do that stuff |
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| 17:59.33 | lay | control panel |
| 17:59.33 | lay | ? |
| 17:59.44 | cantido | lay: to do stuff like reboots |
| 18:00.06 | cantido | lay: and usually you get a console to fix stuff if you break networking :) |
| 18:00.07 | lay | oh if i use VPS? |
| 18:00.30 | lay | i know :) i used to use IDC, it was expensive.... |
| 18:01.16 | lay | they do anything what i ask even at the middle of night, because i pay them :p |
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| 18:01.18 | innociv | .. wait a minute |
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| 18:03.14 | lay | my server is stuck in some office, i think they don't even care about the black big case behind them. electricity is free, internet is free.. |
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| 18:04.12 | cantido | lay: thats why you want remote management I guess? |
| 18:04.26 | lay | problem is it's too far away from here and if i go there to fix the server, they will notice that 'oh i forgot there's your server! go get it we don't need anymore' |
| 18:04.31 | lay | end of story. |
| 18:04.49 | lay | :p |
| 18:05.40 | lay | i'm thinking about barebone home server too. hrm.. |
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| 18:13.25 | xand | Xyrael_: spammer. |
| 18:13.32 | xand | cut it out |
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| 18:13.40 | bitHipy | GRUB problems.. I installed debian to one of a few partitions, but the Squeeze-GRUB installer only found one of my existing OS's |
| 18:14.14 | bitHipy | so I opted not to install grub (figuring I can just add a row for the new OS) |
| 18:14.32 | bitHipy | but my old version of GRUB does not handle ext4 |
| 18:14.50 | bitHipy | How can I install the latest grub? |
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| 18:15.10 | bitHipy | the Debian Live CD does not have "grub-install" |
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| 18:15.45 | bitHipy | expert mode wants to force a reinstallation |
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| 18:16.23 | Diopter | bitHipy: Do rescue mode, spawn a shell in your installed system, grub-install from inside it |
| 18:16.31 | Diopter | bitHipy: Possibly installing the grub package first if needed. |
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| 18:17.16 | Ryccardo | bitHipy: ^ which means "select the rescue option while you are at the load modules from DVD page" |
| 18:17.56 | bitHipy | Diopter: i'll try that, but I got the impression I would be forced down a lengthy process |
| 18:17.59 | Diopter | Actually rescue mode can be chosen from the grub menu right after booting. |
| 18:18.01 | bitHipy | i'll give it a try |
| 18:18.29 | Diopter | bitHipy: Your installed system should know what it needs to do a grub-install, you just need to get into it. |
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| 18:19.16 | Diopter | bitHipy: The manual way is to mount / and maybe /boot if it's separate, bind mount /dev and maybe /proc,/sys, then chroot into the mounted /. Rescue mode does that for you |
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| 18:20.13 | lay | how about... |
| 18:20.18 | lay | this?: http://i.imgur.com/peMmi.png |
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| 18:21.06 | lay | i think i can hack the router's firmware |
| 18:21.15 | Ryccardo | Ethernet to serial? does that thing even exist? :O |
| 18:21.36 | lay | :O |
| 18:22.14 | Ryccardo | would be useful for those like me who have modern laptops without serial :\ |
| 18:22.15 | Diopter | Yes, it's called a rollover cable. |
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| 18:22.25 | Diopter | But it's not actually ethernet Protocol to serial. |
| 18:22.34 | Diopter | It's just wired directly. |
| 18:22.49 | Diopter | They're used for console ports on networking devices, usually. |
| 18:22.55 | lay | how about Ethernet to reset |
| 18:22.59 | lay | :p |
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| 18:24.15 | cantido | lay: if you can get a router than can run OpenWRT it probably has a UART and some GPIO pins.. |
| 18:24.39 | Diopter | Ryccardo: If you need a serial port and don't have one, the easiest thing to do is get usb -> serial |
| 18:25.11 | Ryccardo | yeah, but asking for that stuff in mainstream electronics stores just gets you jaughs |
| 18:25.40 | cantido | ebay :) |
| 18:25.48 | Diopter | cantido: I used an FTDI usb->TTL rx/tx to get a serial console on my Linksys e4200 |
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| 18:26.10 | Diopter | Turns out the 3.3v pins were hiding in the section marked 5v on the board. |
| 18:26.12 | cantido | Diopter: I have about 5 or six of those connected to various things :) |
| 18:26.34 | Diopter | cantido: It's quite handy. Turns a $150 machine into something worth a lot more. |
| 18:26.44 | Diopter | Especially since you can tftp upload to them even if they're bricked |
| 18:27.28 | cantido | knows where you can get an ARM system with 256MB of RAM that'll ram debian for $60 ;) |
| 18:27.34 | lay | this is what i need..: http://i.imgur.com/TNHJE.gif |
| 18:27.38 | cantido | s/ram/run/ |
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| 18:27.48 | lay | please tell me cantido |
| 18:27.50 | lay | :c |
| 18:28.44 | cantido | um, that aint going to work |
| 18:28.47 | Ryccardo | lay: idea -- serial modem, use the line relay (which can be toggled with ATH0 and ATH1) :D |
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| 18:29.04 | Diopter | I know where you can rent a Linux server with 256MB of RAM, free/unlimited inbound bandwidth, 4 CPU cores, 10GB of disk for < $60/mo :P |
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| 18:29.33 | lay | 4 cpu cores but 256mb ram |
| 18:29.41 | cantido | Diopter: not as cool as owning your own ARM system :) |
| 18:29.46 | lay | Ryccardo: what is ATH0? |
| 18:30.08 | lay | i want to make some ARM system :o |
| 18:30.09 | Diopter | Yarp. Because it's a VM in a public cloud. Smallest slice is 256MB, but there's plenty of CPU to go around. |
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| 18:30.44 | Ryccardo | lay: an AT command, you send that over serial and it picks up the line or viceversa |
| 18:31.33 | lay | can i use my android phone for this? |
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| 18:38.13 | lay | http://i.imgur.com/jyTAj.png |
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| 18:38.50 | lay | i wish thats possible... |
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| 18:38.51 | owen1 | i got 2.6.32-5-amd64 in a vm. is this the same debian i would get from http://www.debian.org/distrib/ ? |
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| 18:46.32 | gparent | Hi, anyone seasoned with grub? I'm having an interesting problem where my computer will boot to hard drives that aren't even plugged in when I install grub, even though the motherboard's BIOS settings are correct and set to the right disks. |
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| 18:47.04 | gparent | So say I install grub on hard drives 1 and 2, while 3-6 aren't plugged, it will then boot on 3-6 when I plug them back |
| 18:47.19 | Ryccardo | they have a higher priority in the BIOS |
| 18:47.24 | Diopter | gparent: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that your computer is not, in fact, booting to hard drives that aren't even plugged in. |
| 18:47.30 | gparent | Like I said, bios settings are correct. |
| 18:47.35 | gparent | Diopter: I mean they obviously are plugged |
| 18:47.39 | gparent | during the grub install they arent |
| 18:47.39 | Diopter | :P |
| 18:47.53 | gparent | (basically I meant to say the OS prober shouldnt find anything, but it is hard disabled) |
| 18:48.05 | Ryccardo | try physically swapping the ports they're connected to |
| 18:48.28 | Diopter | gparent: Have you tried opening the grub command line and looking at the drives it sees and the order it sees them in? |
| 18:48.32 | gparent | Possible BIOS bug is not to be excluded as I only have one motherboard to try this on, by the way. |
| 18:48.35 | Ryccardo | or maybe your firmware is biased (lolapple) |
| 18:48.55 | gparent | Diopter: I have, but I really suck at GRUB related stuff. I can give you any information you need, HDD uuids, grub configs, outputs, etc. |
| 18:49.28 | gparent | My exact configuration is 2x1TB drives (new install), 4x2TB drives (older install), grub installed on both pairs, priority in BIOS is set to the newer pair |
| 18:49.40 | gparent | I'm booting off RAID1 in both cases |
| 18:50.16 | gparent | Let me swap cables |
| 18:50.27 | gparent | basically try Ryccardo's solution |
| 18:51.00 | owen1 | how to install upstart on squeeze? i try aptitude install upstart but get conflict with sysvinit. |
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| 18:53.03 | gparent | Ryccardo: if I change my configuration from 1TB,1TB,2TB,2TB,2TB,2TB to 2TB,2TB,1TB,1TB,2TB,2TB, the computer does not find grub. |
| 18:53.29 | gparent | so it seems to at least by trying to boot on the 0th drive. |
| 18:53.36 | gparent | be* |
| 18:54.43 | gparent | okay this is interesting |
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| 18:55.11 | gparent | if I'm set to boot on my older install, but with my newer install plugged as 3rd and 4th drives |
| 18:55.22 | gparent | then GRUB loads from the 3rd or 4th drive |
| 18:55.45 | Ryccardo | Could someone post the default sources.list of Unstable? |
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| 18:57.33 | gparent | weirdest grub issue ive ever had |
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| 19:16.53 | gparent | Diopter / Ryccardo: I think I'll avoid the bug by performing my backup on the new drives from the older drives, then wiping the partitions off the new RAID |
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| 19:17.04 | gparent | Since there will be nothing else to boot on the problem should disappear. |
| 19:17.07 | gparent | Thanks for the help. |
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| 19:17.17 | gparent | off the old RAID* |
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| 19:18.47 | Ryccardo | `make xconfig` |
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| 19:21.05 | sweb | i cant change port of sshd |
| 19:21.20 | owen1 | i get 'upstart: Conflicts: sysvinit but 2.88dsf-13.1 is installed' when trying to intstall upstart on squeeze. any ideas? |
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| 19:22.16 | pem3v78 | sweb, why not ? |
| 19:22.41 | sweb | i use this method http://linuxlookup.com/howto/change_default_ssh_port |
| 19:22.55 | gparent | I don't think upstart can be installed with sysvinit owen1 |
| 19:23.02 | gparent | they both provide /sbin/init |
| 19:23.06 | gparent | which is quite important in linux |
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| 19:23.56 | pem3v78 | sweb, it should do it |
| 19:24.07 | gparent | Unless I've misread that description... |
| 19:24.08 | owen1 | gparent: can i get rid of sysvinit? |
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| 19:24.19 | valdyn | owen1: why would you want to install upstart? |
| 19:24.22 | gparent | I don't want to give you bad advice |
| 19:24.24 | valdyn | !judd: versions upstart |
| 19:24.29 | gparent | But you'd probably know if you had the experience to do it |
| 19:24.30 | valdyn | judd: versions upstart |
| 19:24.30 | el_seano | can anyone tell me how to manually designate a filesystem's mountpoint from inside of an installer? |
| 19:24.31 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; sid: 0.6.6-2; wheezy: 0.6.6-2 |
| 19:24.40 | Guest53102 | just installed debian 6 cd image 1 and 4 |
| 19:24.47 | gparent | el_seano: you mean in the partitioner? |
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| 19:24.53 | gparent | you choose mount point "Enter manually" |
| 19:24.56 | gparent | and then you can enter it |
| 19:25.06 | Guest53102 | I have a belkin usb wireless adaptor and shows up with lsusb |
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| 19:25.11 | gparent | it will crease the directory |
| 19:25.12 | pem3v78 | sweb, are you sure the daemon stopped and started again ? |
| 19:25.12 | owen1 | valdyn: i thought it will eventually replace cron and the way other distros goes to (centos, ubuntu) |
| 19:25.20 | sweb | i restart the server |
| 19:25.24 | el_seano | gparent: do you know which command it runs for it? I know the binary is partman, but I can't find any examples of its syntax |
| 19:25.26 | Guest53102 | I have wirless-tools installed and wpa_supplicant |
| 19:25.32 | owen1 | valdyn: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/faq.html |
| 19:25.33 | gparent | No idea, el_seano. |
| 19:25.36 | el_seano | drat |
| 19:25.44 | gparent | But I'm not sure I understand your question |
| 19:25.45 | Guest53102 | when I try to ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 19:25.47 | valdyn | owen1: upstart has no future as far as i can tell |
| 19:25.56 | gparent | If you want to create a mount point for a partition that is non-standard, the default partitioner during installation can do this |
| 19:25.59 | valdyn | owen1: and in its current state it will probably just break your system |
| 19:25.59 | Guest53102 | it tells me an error wlan0=wlan0 |
| 19:26.07 | gparent | Say you want a /data on hdd3 |
| 19:26.24 | gparent | you just choose file system (e.g. ext4), then go to mount point, enter manually, you type /data and you're set |
| 19:26.24 | Guest53102 | I tried to install wicd but tells me its not installable |
| 19:26.34 | valdyn | owen1: and in the best case you wont see any benefit anyway |
| 19:26.47 | sweb | pem3v78: any idea ? |
| 19:27.02 | fasta | Is it possible to see a list of patches fixing anything in Debian over time? |
| 19:27.17 | owen1 | valdyn: ok. so if i want to make sure my service is restarting on boot and also have a nice api to restart/stop it, what is my best option? |
| 19:27.22 | pem3v78 | sweb, no but you could pastebin your config file or look into /var/log/* for errors |
| 19:27.33 | valdyn | owen1: the default sysvinit |
| 19:27.46 | fasta | Preferably with some graph showing the number of bugs over time. I have the impression that people report bugs, but that nobody is listening. |
| 19:27.57 | fasta | Or rather, acting on the issues. |
| 19:28.12 | owen1 | valdyn: ok. thanks |
| 19:28.15 | valdyn | owen1: combined with insserv probably, that is supported in squeeze too iirc |
| 19:28.23 | sweb | pem3v78: http://pastie.org/private/u7xulp3krs8qc1eliel2g |
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| 19:28.46 | pem3v78 | sweb, wrong file |
| 19:28.57 | pem3v78 | sweb, sshd_config not ssh_config should be changed |
| 19:29.10 | nixfreak | so if the belkin shows up if lsusb doesn't that mean that ifconfig should see it too ? |
| 19:29.13 | nixfreak | or no |
| 19:29.20 | sweb | pem3v78: oo ,,, sorry ty |
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| 19:32.32 | Black_Beret | hello brothers |
| 19:32.37 | Black_Beret | how is your day |
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| 19:39.59 | DeadPanda | are there any utilities I can use to generate a partition recipe for a preseed file? e.g. can I fire up partman from "debian-installer" and use it to generate a partial selections file? |
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| 19:51.18 | mirc635ita | ciao |
| 19:51.27 | Rydekull | bella |
| 19:51.40 | mirc635ita | !list |
| 19:51.41 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 19:52.00 | mirc635ita | ciao belli |
| 19:52.47 | Funkadelic | How can I search winetricks for a program by name or description? For example, I can't even find vcrun2008 in any of the lists, but I found a command to install it online |
| 19:52.54 | Rydekull | mirc635ita: perché tanti italiani vengono qui e per "! list"? |
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| 19:53.36 | mirc635ita | per vedere qulche cosa di nuovo |
| 19:53.50 | tremon | Rydekull: I think it's a national meme |
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| 19:54.25 | Rydekull | mirc635ita: nuovo? Come warez? |
| 19:54.42 | Rydekull | tremon: Im just curious, for the reason |
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| 19:55.02 | Day_dreamer | hi all |
| 19:55.22 | Day_dreamer | i have managed to get sound working on debian by installing the latest alsa-drivers |
| 19:55.47 | Day_dreamer | will the next update erase this version of the drivers and replace it by another ' |
| 19:55.48 | Rydekull | mirc635ita: Questo è un canale per un progetto denominato debian. Vedi http://www.debian.org :-) |
| 19:55.51 | Black_Beret | yo anyone know whay cant acces to my wifi on my dell latitude e4310 |
| 19:56.04 | Black_Beret | in debian |
| 19:56.20 | Diopter | Black_Beret: Using Squeeze? |
| 19:56.24 | Iridos | yo, because your killswitch is on and kills the wireless |
| 19:57.04 | Black_Beret | really? |
| 19:57.12 | Diopter | Could be |
| 19:57.16 | Iridos | dunno |
| 19:57.16 | Diopter | You can tell with 'rfkill' |
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| 19:57.26 | Iridos | it's a guess as good or bad as any |
| 19:57.29 | Diopter | But it's also likely because the e4310 uses an Intel Wifi |
| 19:57.39 | Iridos | seeing as you didn't provide any data to make an _educated_ guess |
| 19:57.40 | Diopter | And the recent iwlwifi chips need recent firmware |
| 19:57.43 | Diopter | Which isn't in Squeeze |
| 19:57.55 | Black_Beret | actually is a broadcom |
| 19:58.20 | Diopter | Orly? thought all of the recent e4xxx series Dell's were iwl. |
| 19:58.28 | Diopter | Might still be a firmware issue. |
| 19:58.59 | Black_Beret | i will keep trying if i cant i will come back here |
| 19:59.13 | Diopter | Black_Beret: Have you checked dmesg to see if there's any errors when you load the module? |
| 19:59.17 | Black_Beret | i will try to the rfkill bra thanks for the advice |
| 19:59.20 | Rydekull | or you could tell people more data, like what card you actually have? |
| 19:59.25 | Rydekull | just a suggestion |
| 19:59.34 | RA3OR | lol |
| 19:59.58 | tremon | !tell Black_Beret about broadcom |
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| 20:01.07 | Funkadelic | again- How can I search winetricks for a program by name or description? |
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| 20:01.32 | Black_Beret | Mobile Broadband Mini Card Dell Wireless |
| 20:02.28 | tekzilla | i have two internet providers between two seperate interfaces, one goes through a local gateway and the other one gets the external ip directly via dhcp. to keep seperate routing tables, should i put a script in /etc/network/if-up/down.d for the dhcp interface ? |
| 20:02.35 | Tuhin_PC | iso-hybrid image in Live usb can't be used with persistance? |
| 20:02.39 | hoverbear | Yay get ot watch GOTCOK ep 1 tonight =D |
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| 20:04.16 | Diopter | tekzilla: DHCP isn't going to add routes to a routing table besides "main" |
| 20:04.41 | tekzilla | Diopter: yes, so i thought i'd add them to the specific table with a script |
| 20:04.42 | Diopter | tekzilla: So I'd say use if-up.d for the static interface's custom table and ip rule policy |
| 20:04.55 | Diopter | tekzilla: And let the DHCP one be through main. |
| 20:05.27 | Diopter | tekzilla: How are you defining your routing policy? Are you load-balancing or using source-based routing? |
| 20:05.31 | tekzilla | Diopter: ok, i wanted to have a load-balancing/failover setup |
| 20:05.55 | Diopter | Blargh. So you want DHCP to float, and static to be fallback I presume? |
| 20:05.55 | tekzilla | so i wanted each iface to have its own routing table and then set up a load balancing default route |
| 20:06.15 | tekzilla | Diopter: yes thats it |
| 20:06.22 | Diopter | The problem is whether your load-balancing default route actually goes away when one of the interfaces goes away, or not |
| 20:06.28 | Tuhin_PC | iso-hybrid image in Live usb can used with persistance? |
| 20:06.46 | Diopter | I'm not sure if it will, unless the actual interface in question goes down. |
| 20:07.07 | Diopter | tekzilla: And until that point, every other packet (assuming you're doing per-packet; otherwise every other stream) will drop :P |
| 20:07.40 | tekzilla | Diopter: so its easiest to have a normal default route thats being set by a script which checks for availability of the connections ? |
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| 20:09.56 | Diopter | tekzilla: Maybe. |
| 20:10.01 | Rydekull | Black_Beret: and your lspci / dmesg output gives you? |
| 20:10.15 | Diopter | tekzilla: I'm looking into whether ECMP cares about route reachability |
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| 20:10.51 | tekzilla | Diopter: thanks for helping me out! |
| 20:11.13 | Diopter | tekzilla: Could you setup a specific route entry that's ECMP to somewhere testable, like 8.8.8.8, and set the wrong nexthop for one of the two? |
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| 20:11.23 | Diopter | tekzilla: Something unreachable, preferably. |
| 20:12.19 | Diopter | Say, ip r a 8.8.8.8/32 nexthop via x.x.x.x dev eth0 nexthop via z.z.z.z dev eth1, where z.z.z.z is unreachable |
| 20:12.26 | Ryccardo | IRC is like whack-a-mole: as soon as a channel turns green you want to click it. |
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| 20:12.41 | Diopter | tekzilla: Then try to route several simultaneous streams to 8.8.8.8, like pings. |
| 20:12.55 | Diopter | tekzilla: (Without using 'equalize' before the nexthop chain, this will be per-stream balancing, not per-packet) |
| 20:12.58 | djrazr | Hay, lil' question.. Am running a debian box and wanna redirect incomin traffic over udp on port 1234 to an external server to this port 1234... i tried this so far, but its still not redirecting: ## http://pastebin.com/9tQkFxQb |
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| 20:14.18 | Diopter | djrazr: First the dumb question; are you actually supplying values for $EXTIP and $PORT? |
| 20:14.24 | tremon | djrazr: you don't need masquerading, that will make all outgoing traffic appear as if it's coming from that host |
| 20:14.36 | djrazr | yes u i am, this is a anonymised version :D |
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| 20:14.50 | djrazr | @tremon k... |
| 20:14.52 | Diopter | tremon: Actually he does in this case, because the response from the external host will go back to the original source directly otherwise, and will have the wrong source address in the reply |
| 20:15.05 | tremon | djrazr: don't anonymize... can only lead to confusion |
| 20:15.09 | Diopter | tremon: Which will make the original source RST or FIN. |
| 20:15.38 | djrazr | Good. Well so far nothing happend.. Restart networking now!? |
| 20:15.42 | tekzilla | Diopter: actually only the static line is up atm, i will get the other one running now! then i'll try your suggestion, looks like a good way to test it! thanks for now :) |
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| 20:15.49 | tremon | Diopter: good point... |
| 20:15.51 | Diopter | tekzilla: Sure thing. |
| 20:16.14 | Black_Beret | i love you guys |
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| 20:16.20 | tremon | djrazr: you'd probably want to limit the masquerading to an interface or to that specific dport then |
| 20:16.24 | Black_Beret | peace im back to study |
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| 20:17.04 | Diopter | djrazr: Do you have just one interface? Or, more to the point, how do you reach this other box? Out the same interface you get the UDP traffic? |
| 20:17.09 | Black_Beret | what do you need beside a miracle ... |
| 20:17.10 | djrazr | tremon: well i only have one.. so -i eth0 ? |
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| 20:17.54 | Diopter | djrazr: Ok, so you're describing a one-armed setup. This traffic is bouncing off the same interface it comes in on. |
| 20:17.55 | tremon | djrazr: would be -o eth0, but get it working first |
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| 20:18.08 | djrazr | Diopter: Yes. |
| 20:18.29 | DeadPanda | the LVM specification in a partman recipe doesn't make much sense, how do I specify which volumes constitute my physical LVM volumes, and then assign them to a volume group? |
| 20:19.05 | tremon | DeadPanda: as i understand it, partman only supports having one vg |
| 20:19.35 | tremon | in the recipes, that is |
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| 20:19.53 | djrazr | Okay.. whats up then? There r no chains in iptables yet. I set those chains i showed you on pb and nothing happens... |
| 20:20.12 | scwizard | when I "man rsyslogd" |
| 20:20.28 | DeadPanda | tremon, well, I'm writing my own recipe; but that's fine, I only have one volume group for my system |
| 20:20.36 | scwizard | I get: Rsyslogd is a system utility providing support for message logging. Support of both internet and unix domain sockets enables this utility to supâ |
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| 20:20.53 | scwizard | what's with the â symbols? It seems to be a glitch |
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| 20:21.03 | DeadPanda | tremon, I still don't really get how to specify the backing partitions and volume group though, I mean, in theory it makes sense for a _single_ partition backed LVM, but I need two partitions on separate drives |
| 20:21.13 | scwizard | I'd expect a hyphen to be there instead |
| 20:21.17 | Diopter | djrazr: So how you want your traffic to flow is: origin -> eth0 -> NAT -> SNAT -> eth0 -> external -> eth0 -> unNAT -> unSNAT -> eth0 -> origin. |
| 20:21.42 | Diopter | djrazr: The NAT/SNAT reversal works automatically when the response packets match the request packets (in reverse) |
| 20:21.59 | Diopter | djrazr: So really you were on the right track. However, a few questions that could make -j MASQUERADE not do what you want |
| 20:21.59 | tremon | scwizard: most probably, locale settings are wrong or your current terminal doesn't understand utf-8 |
| 20:22.10 | Diopter | djrazr: Do you only have one public IP on eth0? |
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| 20:22.41 | _ramo | hi |
| 20:22.48 | scwizard | tremon, my terminal is putty for windows |
| 20:22.53 | scwizard | how could I check to see if it supports utf8? |
| 20:22.55 | djrazr | Diopter: I have three, bot the two others are wired to virtual machines.. |
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| 20:23.23 | Diopter | djrazr: So what's probably happening is MASQUERADE is picking a source address that you're not expecting (it picks the primary) |
| 20:23.26 | _ramo | i've installed an apache2 webserver and created the following directory /var/www/shops/prestashop shops/prestashop has user:owner www-data:www-data ... i've created a vhost file that points to this folder |
| 20:23.32 | Diopter | djrazr: Which differs from the IP that you're getting this port 1234 traffic in on |
| 20:23.35 | _ramo | but if i try to access, i get a 403 |
| 20:23.47 | Carlos-Riper | hola |
| 20:23.49 | Diopter | djrazr: So the remote origin sees a response from the wrong IP :P |
| 20:23.50 | _ramo | i don't know what to do |
| 20:24.07 | Rydekull | scwizard: right-click on title bar of your window, change settings -> window -> translations -> scrollbar, choose utf-8 |
| 20:24.12 | Diopter | djrazr: Try iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT --to-source x.x.x.x, where x.x.x.x is the public IP you're getting the port 1234 traffic in on. |
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| 20:24.24 | scwizard | Rydekull, I did that, and now I'm getting a box instead of â |
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| 20:24.28 | tremon | scwizard: it doesn't (iirc). check the output of locale -a and select a non-utf8 locale (export LANG=), see if that helps |
| 20:24.30 | Diopter | djrazr: Unless... you're actually trying to forward this traffic into one of those VMs on the same box |
| 20:24.41 | djrazr | No am not.. |
| 20:24.48 | Rydekull | tremon: it does |
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| 20:25.06 | tremon | I stand corrected then |
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| 20:25.30 | tremon | Rydekull: missed your reply |
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| 20:25.35 | Rydekull | :-) |
| 20:25.56 | scwizard | tremon, I get C en_US.utf8 POSIX |
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| 20:26.04 | scwizard | so I'd do export LANG=en_US |
| 20:26.05 | scwizard | ? |
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| 20:26.15 | djrazr | Diopter: I dont get this now :D An additional Rule iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT --to-source 188.138.106.115 ? |
| 20:26.20 | Rydekull | stick with UTF-8, just change your default settings in putty |
| 20:26.32 | tremon | scwizard: won't help, since utf-8 is the only supported encoding |
| 20:26.40 | raptor67682 | a question, why sane scanimage makes huge JPG of scans ? |
| 20:26.42 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.57 | raptor67682 | I have about 3 mb per page |
| 20:26.57 | tremon | scwizard: ^ follow Rydekull, it's been ages since I've needed to work with putty |
| 20:27.05 | raptor67682 | at resolutin of 120. |
| 20:27.47 | scwizard | Rydekull, ok. Well when I tell putty to use UTF-8 I get a ‐ |
| 20:27.50 | Diopter | djrazr: Use the -j SNAT instead of the -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:27.51 | scwizard | but it looks like a box :( |
| 20:27.56 | scwizard | even though ychat renders it properly |
| 20:28.02 | _ramo | does someone has an idea to my issue? |
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| 20:29.07 | Diopter | _ramo: You set user:group but did you make sure the files/dirs have r and x for user and group? |
| 20:29.12 | pem3v78 | _ramo, did you restart the server, check the config debug page to see if apache loaded your config file, validate permissions |
| 20:29.13 | Diopter | _ramo: Also, check the error log |
| 20:29.45 | tremon | DeadPanda: it's been awhile since I've played with partman lvm recipes, let me check what I've done back then |
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| 20:30.01 | _ramo | Diopter: yeah, user and group has 77 recursively |
| 20:30.25 | moujik | HI! I had Vista installed on my laptop. I dual install mandriva, then tripple install Debian Squeeze. then installed xp on top of vista |
| 20:30.29 | _ramo | pem3v78: yeas, reloaded the server, in the access logs i just get 403 |
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| 20:30.36 | moujik | and now I can't get grub back |
| 20:30.38 | rneese | aternoon |
| 20:30.54 | rneese | ok I have a script I want to have run at every login |
| 20:31.08 | scwizard | why does ‐ render properly in notepad, but not putty :( |
| 20:31.10 | rneese | but I dont want then to ctl-c out out of it |
| 20:31.17 | rneese | wher would I put it |
| 20:31.18 | Diopter | moujik: Boot with a CD, choose rescue mode, spawn a shell in your installed system, run grub-install |
| 20:31.24 | DeadPanda | tremon, thanks, my best guess is to specify two physical volumes with the same vg_name{ ... }, but... there's nothing in the docs or examples to indicate that will work |
| 20:31.32 | tremon | moujik: you'll have to thank redmond for that. Use any rescue/live disk (e,g, supergrubdisk) to reinstall grub |
| 20:31.33 | _ramo | Diopter: even if i set recursevly 777 to the folders i don't get access |
| 20:31.52 | Diopter | moujik: And by "a CD", I mean a Debian install CD. |
| 20:32.07 | moujik | ok cause "reinstall grub" didn't work |
| 20:32.38 | Diopter | moujik: Your installed system knows everything it needs to know to run grub-install, you just need to get into it. |
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| 20:33.27 | tremon | DeadPanda: according to my notes, you can use X X X lvm $primary method{lvm} vg_name{my-vg-name} to create a PV for a specific volume group |
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| 20:34.01 | moujik | grub-install: not found |
| 20:34.13 | moujik | I'm using netinst usb |
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| 20:34.53 | moujik | /bin/sh: |
| 20:35.01 | DeadPanda | tremon, yup, pretty much got that, but I have two 1TB disks I need the LVM to span |
| 20:35.09 | tremon | DeadPanda: and X X X $default_filesystem in_vg{my-vg-name} lv_name{my-lv-name} to create a logical volume in a specific vg. Don't know if I've ever tested that recipe, though :) |
| 20:35.15 | jbrks | anybody knows if audio playback is possible on linux remote desktop? |
| 20:35.40 | tremon | DeadPanda: afaik, recipes don't work with multiple disks in the system |
| 20:35.53 | mcmc | hey guys, I'm having a problem with connecting a 2nd screen to my notebook which is running on debian squeeze |
| 20:36.04 | DeadPanda | tremon, ah.. do you have anything in your notes about deferring to the operator to configure partitioning from a preseed script? |
| 20:36.27 | moujik | is it not possible with netinst usb? |
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| 20:37.40 | jbrks | moujik, i'm guessing yes.. (cat debian.iso > /dev/usbdevice .. replace usbdevice with proper, usbdevice will be wiped out) |
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| 20:39.03 | moujik | so I have to download supergrubdisk, right? |
| 20:39.19 | moujik | or what's the smallest? |
| 20:39.35 | Diopter | moujik: You didn't do what I said. |
| 20:39.47 | Diopter | moujik: You booted the netinst CD, and went to a prompt there. |
| 20:39.51 | pem3v78 | _ramo, checked if apache loaded your new configuration file ? |
| 20:39.59 | tremon | DeadPanda yes: don't add d-i partman/choose_partition select finish in your preseed file :) -- In the end, it was easier for me to create a gdisk udeb than to fight the partitioner |
| 20:40.00 | Diopter | moujik: I said to choose rescue mode, when it asks how you want to boot the CD |
| 20:40.13 | Diopter | moujik: Then execute a shell In your installed system -- it will totally prompt you and everything |
| 20:40.17 | Diopter | moujik: Then you can run grub-install |
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| 20:40.44 | _ramo | pem3v78: how do i check this? i see it in sites-available |
| 20:40.46 | moujik | I don't have live CD |
| 20:40.48 | Diopter | s/CD/usb/, whatever |
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| 20:40.53 | Diopter | moujik: You don't need one. Netinst does it too |
| 20:41.03 | tremon | DeadPanda: if you really need to automate it, I guess using precreated partition schemes (with sfdisk or gdisk) and scripting them in preseed/early_command is the way to go |
| 20:41.10 | jbrks | Diopter, not even that.. i think there's a menu to support fixing grub from a boot install cd |
| 20:41.17 | Diopter | moujik: It'd work out so much better if you actually just, y'know, did what I said to do :P |
| 20:41.24 | Diopter | jbrks: I think so too, and it might even work! |
| 20:41.30 | scwizard | changing my font worked \o.o/ |
| 20:41.31 | Diopter | But apparently picking menu items is hard |
| 20:41.39 | mcmc | nobody an idea? :( |
| 20:41.42 | jbrks | Diopter, ya but those instructions you just gave is not even half way. |
| 20:41.56 | DeadPanda | tremon, thanks, for now I'll leave it to the operator until I can figure something better out |
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| 20:42.46 | Diopter | jbrks: Yes they are? Boot menu -> Rescue mode, it will prompt for the root partition, and usually guesses right. Execute a shell in installed system. grub-install. |
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| 20:46.02 | ispirto | hello, the remote backup server supports sftp and ftp but not rsync, is there a way to use incremental backups with this setup? |
| 20:46.38 | tremon | ispirto: fuse sftp mount? |
| 20:46.39 | Diopter | ispirto: If it supports sftp then it supports ssh; if rsync is installed on it, you can rsync over ssh |
| 20:47.47 | Ryccardo | RunAway: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60674284/IMG_0215.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60674284/IMG_0240.JPG |
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| 20:47.54 | rneese | ok when I reboot and go into grub how do I drop to single user mode. I locked myself out |
| 20:47.58 | ispirto | Diopter, it doesn't support ssh logins |
| 20:48.00 | rneese | I need to rm a script |
| 20:48.06 | lay | be back later, thanks #debian :D |
| 20:48.08 | ispirto | tremon, yeah, it supports sftp mounts |
| 20:48.23 | Ryccardo | rneese: do you still have the boot menu? |
| 20:48.46 | rneese | I can reboot to the menu |
| 20:48.58 | tremon | rneese: add init=/bin/bash |
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| 20:49.02 | Ryccardo | ^ |
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| 20:49.39 | Ryccardo | try with "single" first, it's less aggressive and properly starts the system |
| 20:49.46 | _ramo | how can i specify wo install only one package with apt-get ? |
| 20:49.51 | _ramo | and not to update all other packages |
| 20:50.55 | Ryccardo | _ramo: it should only install if you didn't explicitly upgrade/it's required by a Depends: |
| 20:51.17 | Ryccardo | Aptitude surely won't do that IIRC |
| 20:51.31 | tremon | _ramo: either you haven't tried apt-get install <package>, or the package depends on newer versions of other packages than you have installed. Either way, apt-get install is your only way to go |
| 20:52.12 | _ramo | because i'm doing this https://gist.github.com/3343996b1eb4e50ffe25 |
| 20:52.20 | _ramo | on a debian squeeze machine |
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| 20:52.53 | rneese | ok its not letting me add a line I hit o to add a lint |
| 20:52.58 | rneese | but its not adding |
| 20:53.32 | tremon | _ramo: please confirm that have an apt::default-release line in your apt config |
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| 20:54.00 | rneese | whats the command to add a line |
| 20:54.04 | rneese | and edit it |
| 20:54.13 | tremon | rneese: e |
| 20:54.14 | rneese | I hti o it added a blank line |
| 20:54.35 | tremon | rneese: are you the grub menu? |
| 20:54.44 | _ramo | tremon: there was a sid repo in my sources.list |
| 20:54.55 | _ramo | i removed it and run an apt-get update.... and after that the installation worked |
| 20:54.57 | rneese | yes I am in the grub |
| 20:54.57 | tremon | *in* the grub menu |
| 20:55.16 | pem3v78 | _ramo, you can use http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_info.html |
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| 20:55.40 | tremon | rneese: e will edit your current entry |
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| 20:56.31 | wail2206 | llllllllllllll |
| 20:56.58 | reCAPTCHA_ | Hey all, I want to move the minimize, maximize, close buttons to the left side of the windows.... but I can't seem to get it to work. |
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| 20:57.04 | rneese | I need to drop to single user and ten rm a line in the .bashrc |
| 20:57.08 | rneese | I added |
| 20:57.56 | tremon | rneese: we've already been there |
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| 20:58.42 | somiaj | reCAPTCHA_: this depends on your Window Manger, many don't allow you to move them |
| 20:59.00 | reCAPTCHA_ | somiaj: Sorry, it's gnome2 |
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| 20:59.28 | DeadPanda | tremon, not that I obsess much, but I'm going over the partman-auto-lvm source now, if it's possible I'll let you know :/ I'm hoping it implicitly calls vg_extend instead of vg_create /shrug/ |
| 20:59.43 | somiaj | reCAPTCHA_: I dont know which wm is default in gnome2 -- but I would go ask in #gnome (maybe they still will give advise on gnome2) |
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| 21:00.02 | LtL | rneese: press 'e' for edit at the grub menu, navigate to the boot linux line, append 'single' to that line and ctrl+x to boot. init=/bin/bash would be read-only. iirc |
| 21:00.02 | reCAPTCHA_ | somiaj: Thanks. |
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| 21:00.04 | somiaj | reCAPTCHA_: it looks like metacity was/is the default |
| 21:00.09 | tremon | DeadPanda: it's not obsessing if you don't tell anyone ;) |
| 21:00.38 | somiaj | reCAPTCHA_: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/change-metacity-button-location-in-ubuntu/ |
| 21:01.11 | somiaj | reCAPTCHA_: according to that, open up the gconf-editor, and you can go configure it there |
| 21:02.11 | rneese | its not dropping to single mode brb |
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| 21:02.56 | pem3v78 | rneese, add 1 (that's character one) at the end |
| 21:02.58 | rneese | LtL wich line I se no bot line |
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| 21:03.08 | pem3v78 | rneese, at kernel line |
| 21:03.15 | LtL | rneese: there must be |
| 21:03.21 | tremon | wonders why one would need single-user mode to edit ~/.bashrc |
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| 21:04.13 | rneese | becaause I have a menu it pulls up and you cant crtl-c out of it |
| 21:04.22 | rneese | and it wont drop to a shell |
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| 21:04.33 | LtL | rneese: it will say kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6-blah-blah |
| 21:04.34 | rneese | the line to drop to a shell is not working |
| 21:04.48 | tremon | rneese: but if you can still login to X, you can edit ~/.bashrc with your favourite editor |
| 21:04.55 | pem3v78 | rneese, can't you use another login or root ? |
| 21:05.04 | rneese | vmlinux root=/LABEL=ROOT_FS |
| 21:05.07 | LtL | tremon: agreed, don't see how ~/.bashrc would enter the picture |
| 21:05.18 | rneese | there isno x on this box |
| 21:05.21 | rneese | its a server |
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| 21:05.44 | tremon | ah... and no ftp/ssh access either? |
| 21:06.16 | rneese | I am sshing in but only root on this server at the min |
| 21:06.26 | rneese | I did not know there was no other account |
| 21:06.35 | rneese | i shot myself on this one |
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| 21:06.49 | tremon | can you do ssh broken_server /bin/sh? |
| 21:07.25 | tremon | (assuming the broken server is a good debian box and has dash as /bin/sh) |
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| 21:08.16 | raptor67682 | wiht debian squeeze: which program into repositories can combine several pdf to a single pdf? |
| 21:08.25 | LtL | rneese: this line or similar: linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=0549dab8-b8e2-4b39-bd76-a660395c5af9 ro quiet |
| 21:08.33 | raptor67682 | (gs, pdftk, imagemagick, what else?) |
| 21:09.12 | craigevil | raptor67682, pdfchain |
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| 21:09.31 | rneese | grr |
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| 21:10.03 | rneese | kernel /vmlinuz root=LABEL=ROOT_FS |
| 21:10.10 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.18 | raptor67682 | craigevil: thx anyhow |
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| 21:13.17 | ispirto | This may be a stupid question but how to use test@test.com as username for a ssh username@host |
| 21:13.41 | rneese | ? |
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| 21:13.47 | rneese | I cant get around this |
| 21:14.00 | rneese | its not letting me into single mode |
| 21:14.08 | bzed | ispirto: that makes no sense |
| 21:14.13 | Ryccardo | what does it do? |
| 21:14.22 | bzed | ispirto: I guess you mean ssh -l test@test.com host |
| 21:14.29 | rneese | it boots like normal |
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| 21:14.38 | rneese | I add single to the line |
| 21:14.57 | ispirto | bzed, yeah but i'll use duplicity and it has this option only: scp://user[:password]@other.host[:port]/some_dir |
| 21:15.00 | Ryccardo | rneese: try "2" instead of "single" -- on 2.4 kernels you did it that way |
| 21:15.13 | rneese | this is a 3.0.0 kernel |
| 21:15.17 | Ryccardo | as in runlevel 2 |
| 21:15.19 | tremon | Ryccardo: you mean 1 or S, I guess |
| 21:15.29 | tremon | ? |
| 21:15.57 | Ryccardo | right, I've been working for too much on this Sid mod ;) |
| 21:16.17 | bzed | ispirto: scp://'test@test.com'@host/ probably |
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| 21:16.34 | Ryccardo | where 2 is configured almost the same as 1 (but with no auto root login) |
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| 21:17.06 | jbrks | bzed, there's also sftp:// for some apps.. perhaps this is the one |
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| 21:18.08 | bzed | jbrks: sftp and scp are different things. |
| 21:18.10 | scoates | hello. is there a way to force a NFS mount to assume a specific uid/gid? (and if so, what are the mount options?) |
| 21:18.15 | bzed | jbrks: both use ssh, though |
| 21:18.32 | moujik | Diopter: it didn't find grub at debian root dir /dev/sda8 |
| 21:18.41 | rneese | grub o.97 |
| 21:18.42 | jbrks | bzed, sftp is meant to be faster (scp does 1 file at a time) |
| 21:18.51 | rneese | root (hd0,0) |
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| 21:19.12 | rneese | kernel /vmlinuz root=LABEL-ROOT_FS |
| 21:19.24 | rneese | initrd /initrd.img |
| 21:19.25 | moujik | Diopter: mandrivas /dev/sda5 gave help after run-install |
| 21:19.26 | Ryccardo | scoates: there (used to be?) a `mount_nfs -u uid -g gid path` iirc |
| 21:19.45 | rneese | all 3 lines in the grup |
| 21:19.47 | scoates | tries |
| 21:19.52 | bzed | jbrks: that should rarely make a difference. also that is not the problem here. |
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| 21:20.33 | scoates | no -u or -g on mount.nfs |
| 21:21.25 | Ryccardo | just checked, impossible as NFS directly uses uids for permissions :\ |
| 21:22.46 | pem3v78 | rneese, what now ? |
| 21:22.57 | tremon | scoates: the closest you'll get is abusing the anonuid/anongid options on the server (or the black magic that is idmapd for nfsv4) |
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| 21:23.11 | Brian2898 | when is debian going to adopt latest linux kernel? |
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| 21:23.31 | scoates | the server is OSX/10.6, unfortunately. |
| 21:23.36 | sheep | Brian2898: stable always sticks with whatever kernel version it had when it was frozen |
| 21:23.37 | rneese | on on the kernel line I add single it does not work |
| 21:23.46 | rneese | I have grun 0.97 |
| 21:23.52 | rneese | I need single user mode |
| 21:23.58 | Brian2898 | sheep what is kernel frozen for wheezy |
| 21:24.12 | pem3v78 | rneese, follow http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/ |
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| 21:24.55 | tremon | rneese: try adding 1 instead of single |
| 21:25.04 | Ryccardo | scoates: I assume your problem is the classic "Mac UIDs start from 501 and Linux ones from 1000"? |
| 21:25.05 | moujik | grub-install hd0 gives error cannot stat 'hd0' what's happening? |
| 21:25.46 | tremon | moujik: your /boot/grub/device.map is old/invalid/missing |
| 21:25.48 | scoates | Ryccardo: sort of. I just need to mount nfs with a specific gid/uid (33) so puppet doesn't freak out (and think it failed, halting the dependency chain) when it can't chown |
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| 21:26.30 | Ryccardo | scoates: hmm, that's a weird problem |
| 21:26.41 | rneese | none are working |
| 21:26.42 | scoates | yeah. /-: |
| 21:26.55 | rneese | I think its a issue in the 3.0.0 kernel build |
| 21:27.16 | scoates | putting the NFS mount on the VM (debian) makes git performance on the mac suck (and other NFS/git ghosts) |
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| 21:27.47 | pem3v78 | rneese, it has nothing to do with kernel |
| 21:28.12 | pem3v78 | rneese, what about init=/bin/bash ? |
| 21:28.30 | moujik | tremon: true that. if I try grub-install /dev/sda5 which is now debian root it gives me a warning |
| 21:28.50 | pem3v78 | rneese, if nothing works than you are not adding anything to kernel command line |
| 21:29.03 | tremon | moujik: it should. You're not actually going to install grub on top of debian, are you? |
| 21:29.33 | moujik | tremon: where then? |
| 21:29.52 | Ryccardo | moujik: doesn't `…install /dev/sda` work? |
| 21:29.52 | Diopter | moujik: Did you try just "grub-install", with no arguments? heh |
| 21:29.55 | rneese | it shows a S at the end of the line i hit b to boot |
| 21:29.58 | tremon | moujik: if I had to guess, I'd say /dev/sda. But only you can say for sure |
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| 21:30.03 | rneese | and its not dropping to single mode |
| 21:30.34 | moujik | Diopter: with no args gave me help info |
| 21:30.41 | pem3v78 | rneese, what about 1 or init=/bin/bash ? |
| 21:30.49 | tremon | rneese: so, what is it doing? what are the last lines that you see? |
| 21:31.09 | rneese | it drops down to a normal login |
| 21:31.14 | Ryccardo | rneese: are you sure you're typing in the correct line? it's a bit confusing the first times |
| 21:31.15 | pem3v78 | rneese, boot livecd if nothing works |
| 21:31.15 | tremon | rneese: try removing the root= argument, then booting and tell us what happens then |
| 21:31.20 | moujik | /dev/sda worked! |
| 21:31.27 | rneese | this is a virtual machine |
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| 21:31.42 | moujik | rebooting.. |
| 21:31.42 | pem3v78 | all the better |
| 21:32.37 | rneese | I cant get vmware workstation to boot the virtual cd |
| 21:32.41 | rneese | and boot |
| 21:32.48 | rneese | it keeps booting the hd |
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| 21:33.38 | rneese | ok got it |
| 21:33.39 | scoates | I could change the www-data user to be 501/20 … but that won't help on machines where the workstation user isn't the first user created on that machine |
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| 21:33.50 | rneese | but when I enter the passwd it loads the meu |
| 21:33.53 | rneese | ok |
| 21:33.59 | rneese | brb have to figure this out |
| 21:34.00 | thewanderer1 | uh, I seem to have a problem - a disk is making noises and hdparm -t says 5MB/s to 30MB/s (variable over time)... how to test it further? |
| 21:34.28 | tremon | thewanderer1: smartmontools |
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| 21:34.55 | tremon | backups would be nice, too |
| 21:35.03 | Ryccardo | scoates: did you know you can change UIDs? :) (but it's a major annoyance to chown everything after that) |
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| 21:35.22 | thewanderer1 | of course smart printouts are sane - no value is below 50 besides Hardware_ECC_Recovered, which is at 027 |
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| 21:35.38 | scoates | Ryccardo: right. that's what I just said; but that still doesn't work if my workstation (NFS server) users are out of sync, and I can't possibly manage that. |
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| 21:36.14 | bzed | thewanderer1: run a long online test? |
| 21:36.21 | moujik | I'm back, I'm back!!!! Thank you! Thank you Diopter and tremon! |
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| 21:36.48 | tremon | thewanderer1: I hope Reallocated_Sector_Ct is below 50 too? |
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| 21:37.38 | thewanderer1 | tremon: hope?? the lower, the worse, according to the spe |
| 21:37.40 | thewanderer1 | s/spe/spec/ |
| 21:37.48 | tremon | eyes his WD drives suspiciously, noting that they have a load_cycle_count of above 350k |
| 21:38.07 | thewanderer1 | Reallocated_Sector_Count is at 085, meaning "ok" |
| 21:38.18 | tremon | thewanderer1: yeah, depends if we're talking the status value or the raw value |
| 21:38.24 | thewanderer1 | status value |
| 21:38.34 | tremon | thewanderer1: for the counts, I prefer to look at the raw values only |
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| 21:38.45 | thewanderer1 | I don't know what the raw values should be (they are absolute), so I use the vendor-provided standard measure |
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| 21:38.51 | thewanderer1 | still... it's SLOW |
| 21:39.14 | tremon | thewanderer1: what's the raw values for UDMA_CRC_Error_Count Offline_Uncorrectable Current_Pending_Sector? |
| 21:39.35 | tremon | if they're above zero, the disk is still dying even though it's within operating specs |
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| 21:39.55 | tremon | (although, the udma error count could just be faulty wiring/bad controller) |
| 21:39.59 | thewanderer1 | tremon: respectively: 0, 62, 62 |
| 21:40.19 | epsilon | thewanderer1: post smartctl -a output on paste.debian.net plz |
| 21:40.53 | moujik | now I have to edit grub.cfg since there's no menu.lst anymore, but it says 'Do not edit' |
| 21:41.28 | Ryccardo | moujik: it'll work but your changes will be removed by `update-grub` |
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| 21:41.47 | Ryccardo | to make them permanent work with /etc/defaults/grub |
| 21:41.48 | thewanderer1 | tremon, epsilon: http://paste.debian.net/162480/ |
| 21:41.55 | thewanderer1 | shall I run a self-test? |
| 21:41.59 | tremon | thewanderer1: as I have understood these values, the disk has encountered 62 read errors it could not resolve. This may have been 62 times the same sector, or 62 different sectors. The next time this sector gets written to, the original sector will be marked as bad and a spare sector will be used instead |
| 21:42.49 | thewanderer1 | tremon: doesn't sound critical |
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| 21:43.52 | thewanderer1 | okay, so I suppose I should run a test? |
| 21:43.58 | moujik | Ryccardo: /etc/default/grub is empty - only ##### |
| 21:44.07 | tremon | thewanderer1: it's not critical, but it depends on the cause. Running a self-test won't hurt, but it probably won't help. The disk knows there's data in the sector but can't relocate it because it's currently unreadable. It will only relocate and resolve the error when this sector gets rewritten |
| 21:44.20 | epsilon | thewanderer1: the disc is broken. if you have importnt stuff on it, try backup it. |
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| 21:45.11 | thewanderer1 | epsilon: what do you base that conclusion on? just curious |
| 21:45.26 | epsilon | after that, run shred on the disc and wipe out all data. if it still has warranty from seagate, return it for RMA. if not -> trash. |
| 21:45.29 | tremon | the best-case scenario is a power spike happened during writing the sector, in which case the sector isn't physically damaged but the write failed. Worst-case is that the head touched the disk on write and will probably start hitting the disk more and more |
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| 21:45.31 | thewanderer1 | (also, it's a RAID6 member and I've been observing crap performance, guess why) |
| 21:46.32 | moujik | Ryccardo: where could I find an example of how to edit /etc/default/grub? |
| 21:46.41 | tremon | thewanderer1: I'd not take chances. Replace the disk as soon as possible, chances are it's on its way out |
| 21:46.44 | epsilon | thewanderer1: Raw Values of Reallocated_Sector_Ct, Current_Pending_Sector |
| 21:46.58 | thewanderer1 | epsilon: hmm, so it should be zero at all times? |
| 21:47.03 | epsilon | yes |
| 21:47.23 | savetheWorld | hi, I'm trying to use the debian "alternates" facility, but I haven't been able to find the actual commands that are used to operate it. Anyone got a pointer to some good doco? |
| 21:47.30 | thewanderer1 | okay, so why does it still tell me PASSED as health check result: |
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| 21:47.44 | epsilon | if these numbers are increasing in runtime -> keep a close eye on them |
| 21:47.48 | moujik | Ryccardo: does 'update-grub' run automatically on start up? |
| 21:47.56 | thewanderer1 | savetheWorld: update-alternatives - and the typo might explain why you can't find any info... |
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| 21:48.15 | tremon | thewanderer1: because all disks have a number of spare sectors. As long as there are spare sectors left, the disk is in "good health" |
| 21:48.31 | savetheWorld | thewanderer1: I am full of typo. :) |
| 21:48.44 | savetheWorld | O-minus in fact. :) |
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| 21:48.55 | thewanderer1 | tremon: that much I know - but using those spares shouldn't result in a performance drop, no? |
| 21:49.12 | thewanderer1 | so would uncorrectable basically mean I am getting bad blocks? |
| 21:49.18 | epsilon | thewanderer1: dont worry, seagate will exchange the disc for less Grown Defects |
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| 21:49.31 | tremon | thewanderer1: using spares not (other than more seeks), but trying to read a damaged sector will slow down the disk |
| 21:49.36 | thewanderer1 | aha, ATA media error in dmesg. this can't be good. |
| 21:50.02 | epsilon | yes, you have current ata errors in smart too |
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| 21:50.21 | epsilon | means replace it NOW |
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| 21:50.29 | thewanderer1 | okay, I'm RMAing it. in fact, I'm almost sure this *is* a replacement disk with the infamous green label :P |
| 21:50.34 | tremon | thewanderer1: as for terminology, yes these are bad sectors. But the manufacturers don't like to call them that. Hence the term uncorrectable |
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| 21:51.06 | thewanderer1 | thanks guys, you've cleared up a lot |
| 21:51.11 | dvs | stares at his Green label disks |
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| 21:51.47 | thewanderer1 | dvs: unlike tea, those are not the good kind |
| 21:52.04 | dvs | now you tell me |
| 21:52.37 | dvs | A small consulation is that I got them before the prices rose |
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| 21:52.58 | tremon | thewanderer1: did you say this was a raid6 drive? It's running 24/7? |
| 21:53.14 | thewanderer1 | tremon: yes, RAID6, running non-stop |
| 21:53.33 | tremon | thewanderer1: the disk is only 2 months old... |
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| 21:54.19 | thewanderer1 | tremon: oh, is it? it could be, it's probably an RMA unit that I got from Seagate and I guess they reset the dates |
| 21:54.25 | pie_ | how would you guys go about making an installation smaller? |
| 21:54.48 | tremon | power_on_hours, raw value 1541, that's only 64 days |
| 21:55.25 | thewanderer1 | yeah, looks like it |
| 21:56.42 | Ryccardo | moujik: sorry, was away -- update-grub is ran manually, and there's another file involved |
| 21:56.44 | tekzilla | Diopter: just wanted to get back to you, i realized load-balancing doesnt make too much sense for me afterall (1 very fast, 1 rather slow line) and i will go with the monitoring script, but the failover with the load-balancing route seemed to work. thanks again for your time |
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| 21:57.16 | thewanderer1 | they surely picked an RMA disk that would only last until the warranty end to send me :) |
| 21:57.50 | tremon | if you're a business customer, be sure to tell your rep that you're not pleased :) |
| 21:58.01 | moujik | Ryccardo: but grub.cfg is a read only |
| 21:58.04 | Diopter | tekzilla: You bet. Did you ever find out if nexthop'ing to an unreachable route loses packets? |
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| 21:59.04 | tremon | Diopter: it shouldn't, for tcp. The outqueue isn't dropped until packets are acked (the receiving party could ask for retransmission) |
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| 21:59.21 | tekzilla | Diopter: i should do that, was too lazy and just ran all pings in one terminal and killalled them |
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| 21:59.52 | Diopter | tekzilla: Cool. And I follow your reasoning, just that I have found a handful of kernel bugs on "should do this" when it comes to rarely used linux networking |
| 22:00.03 | Diopter | tekzilla: Like policy routing + bridges + vlans + DNATs ;) |
| 22:00.15 | Diopter | tekzilla: I'll have to test it myself sometime. |
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| 22:00.35 | thewanderer1 | tremon: no, I'm as non-business as it gets. yanking the disk as soon as I figure out which one it is.... |
| 22:00.56 | thewanderer1 | the advantage of RAID6 is that I have 2 tries :) |
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| 22:01.48 | tremon | thewanderer1: get the replacement first, then yank? less chance of another failing in the meantime... |
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| 22:02.17 | thewanderer1 | tremon: can not get a replacement without sending the faulty unit in... |
| 22:02.32 | tremon | that's bad... |
| 22:02.34 | thewanderer1 | btw. I wonder if they will reject the RMA if the disk is "still fine" |
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| 22:02.48 | thewanderer1 | heck, that's why I have RAID6 here to withstand such conditions |
| 22:02.58 | thewanderer1 | but yes, it seems like it's time to get new disks :P |
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| 22:03.30 | Ryccardo | 62 faults in 64 days isn't "still fine" |
| 22:03.35 | tremon | the disk isn't fine. 4 timeouts and 62 pending sectors within 2 months lifetime, not to mention 325 reallocated sectors already? |
| 22:03.45 | Ryccardo | unless that's a floppy, that is |
| 22:03.49 | scoates | potential hack: is there a way for me to mount --bind and specify a uid/gid? |
| 22:03.55 | tremon | didn't even notice that one... |
| 22:03.59 | scoates | (preferably without bindfs) |
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| 22:04.19 | thewanderer1 | aha, short self test failed with: electrical failure |
| 22:04.30 | Diopter | Loose power cable |
| 22:04.43 | thewanderer1 | could be. or crap grounding (it's been cut off lately O.o) |
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| 22:04.45 | Diopter | That'll nuke a drive like nothing |
| 22:05.08 | Diopter | Sadly the data cable provides enough power for the drive to half-ass it, and usually gets torched in the process |
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| 22:05.20 | thewanderer1 | hmm, could be a power cable indeed... let me check |
| 22:05.20 | scoates | bindfs does it. |
| 22:05.24 | scoates | what a hack heh |
| 22:05.46 | Diopter | scoates: All of *n?x is hacks, wrapped in pretty packages and piped together ;P |
| 22:05.53 | Diopter | That's why we likes it! |
| 22:06.06 | scoates | (-: |
| 22:06.10 | scoates | benchmarking now (-: |
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| 22:07.06 | moujik | Ryccardo: os prober seemed to fix it! |
| 22:07.26 | moujik | os prober is the king! |
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| 22:08.29 | peterrooney | Technically, a hammer is a hack, too. |
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| 22:08.45 | dvs | my favourite hack! |
| 22:09.30 | Diopter | Bag of hammers = toolkit |
| 22:10.03 | moujik | thank you everyone for quick help! |
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| 22:11.42 | raptor67782 | do you knwo a CP with a Progress-Bar (else than rsync) + into the repositories? |
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| 22:11.45 | tekzilla | Diopter: sorry, had to get a decent screenrc and ran the test, no packet loss. off to deal with the stupid script now. cheers :) |
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| 22:11.58 | Diopter | raptor67782: pipeview (pv) |
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| 22:12.25 | Diopter | tekzilla: Sweet! Thanks. So route reachability matters for ECMP round-robin, great to know. |
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| 22:13.14 | raptor67782 | apt-cache search pipeview , looks like not existing into debian stable :( |
| 22:13.26 | Diopter | raptor67782: Yes it is. That's why I put pv in parentheses. |
| 22:13.28 | Diopter | raptor67782: apt-get install pv |
| 22:13.39 | jelly-home | raptor67782: that probably ought to be expanded a bit. You could do (cd /source/dir tar cf - . ) | pv | (cd /dest/dir; tar xf - ) |
| 22:13.42 | raptor67782 | Diopter: sounds very great. Thanks a lot |
| 22:13.57 | Diopter | pv = win |
| 22:14.21 | jelly-home | it deals with streams and single files only |
| 22:14.23 | raptor67782 | is at as stable and working (and great) as CP ? |
| 22:14.23 | Diopter | Makes dd suck a lot less, too. Since sending SIGUSR1 to it doesn't spit out stats until it finishes :/ |
| 22:14.35 | raptor67782 | (I meant PV) |
| 22:14.47 | Diopter | pv is old and stable and awesome, yes. |
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| 22:14.56 | tremon | feels the urge to note that jelly-home's example can be done with tar -C |
| 22:15.05 | jelly-home | raptor67782: pv isn't a full cp replacement. If anything, it's a "cat" with a progress bar. |
| 22:15.27 | tremon | ah, ignore me |
| 22:15.27 | raptor67782 | oups ... I did : pv file.img file2.img , then I flooded my screen :=) |
| 22:15.45 | jelly-home | tremon: I have hidden a typo in there for your noting perusal! |
| 22:15.48 | Diopter | raptor67782: It's a pipe viewer. It's not a replacement for cp. |
| 22:16.10 | tremon | jelly-home: noted and ignored ;) |
| 22:16.11 | raptor67782 | I thought ... at first ... ;) |
| 22:16.13 | jelly-home | raptor67782: but you can do pv < file.img > file2.img |
| 22:16.18 | Diopter | raptor67782: It can take a file for input as a parameter, but it primarily has things piped into it and out of it. |
| 22:16.23 | jelly-home | raptor67782: use it like cat. |
| 22:16.26 | Diopter | ^ |
| 22:16.34 | jelly-home | meow. |
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| 22:17.10 | Diopter | Also, tee <() and >() in pipes with pv and tar makes for the happiness |
| 22:17.25 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.39 | raptor67782 | I wish that CP take it into its code |
| 22:17.45 | Diopter | raptor67782: Or just pv file.img > file2.img |
| 22:17.50 | raptor67782 | sthg like : cp -pb source target |
| 22:17.57 | raptor67782 | (-pb like progress bar) |
| 22:18.02 | jelly-home | raptor67782: other distros have a patched cp with a progress bar. |
| 22:18.17 | raptor67782 | and cp could use the code of pv |
| 22:18.20 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: wow |
| 22:18.27 | jelly-home | Debian is HARDCORE |
| 22:18.32 | Diopter | raptor67782: No need to tack more things onto cp when pv exists and is awesome. |
| 22:18.36 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: why? |
| 22:18.46 | Diopter | Tends to go against the *n?x philosophy |
| 22:19.10 | jelly-home | unix philosophy does not exist any more. |
| 22:19.16 | Diopter | Shh |
| 22:19.35 | Diopter | Let me cling to my feverish beliefs |
| 22:19.37 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: I read a book about origins of UNIX |
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| 22:20.02 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: that was a marvellous story ... again an US product ;) Unix was a genious idea |
| 22:20.02 | tremon | is slightly confused, leans back and strokes his beard |
| 22:20.06 | thewanderer1 | if I see ata2.00 in dmesg, which SATA port would that be? |
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| 22:20.13 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's an EXCELLENT question |
| 22:21.05 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.31 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: aha... |
| 22:21.36 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it depends on the order ata kernel drivers got loaded and the order they initialized their respective hardware |
| 22:21.43 | thewanderer1 | not good :P |
| 22:21.48 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 22:21.54 | thewanderer1 | is there any mapping that I could obtain? |
| 22:22.07 | thewanderer1 | like on which SATA port is this misbehaving sdb... |
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| 22:22.53 | tremon | thewanderer1: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path maybe, but the paths are not likely to correspond to physical locations |
| 22:23.02 | scoates | well, thanks for the [rubberducking] supprt. bindfs seems to solve the problem. I'll be back when it causes other problems. (-: |
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| 22:23.48 | jelly-home | tremon: now he "just" needs to map the scsi paths to ata paths and THEN to ports. |
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| 22:24.20 | peterrooney | Unix was pretty much the last software product produced without a deadline |
| 22:24.40 | tremon | jelly-home: that's easy. At least he already has the smartctl output which gives him the drive's serial number, so he can easily verify after yanking the drive |
| 22:24.42 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if dmesg shows first appearance of ata1 and ata2 close together, it MIGHT be that it's the second port on that controller |
| 22:24.43 | dvs | and Debian has one? |
| 22:24.50 | p_masho | help! .. I;m a newbie installing a new remote server.. somehow the disk space is missing and dont know what to do.. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1558043 |
| 22:25.08 | p_masho | there's Disk /dev/dm-1 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 22:25.25 | tremon | p_masho: one of the platters fell out of the casing? |
| 22:25.45 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: hmm, actually, out of 3 yellow cables, the one on port 2 (actually labelled as "1" - does Linux start numbering from 1? SuperMicro from 0...) leads to a disk that looks old... :P |
| 22:25.46 | p_masho | dont know.. its im germany somewhere and i;m in wales ;-) |
| 22:26.01 | Diopter | p_masho: That's because those aren't what get partitioned. Those *are* partitions, or volumes in the parlance of what you're looking at. |
| 22:26.17 | Diopter | p_masho: Your partitions are /dev/sd{a,b}{1..3}, as fdisk is showing you. |
| 22:26.34 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it starts ataX ports from 1. I have no idea why. |
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| 22:27.34 | p_masho | Diopter: I;m way outta my depth here.. but with df I gethttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/1558046 only 16 gig used.. |
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| 22:28.32 | tremon | p_masho: vgdisplay vg00 |
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| 22:29.16 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: cool. then I shall try removing the disk... |
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| 22:29.19 | tremon | hopes those softraids aren't raid0 |
| 22:29.31 | p_masho | tremon: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1558047 |
| 22:29.32 | thewanderer1 | RAID6 |
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| 22:29.55 | thewanderer1 | spindowns are for the weak! <yanks cord> |
| 22:30.13 | p_masho | ana there's >> Free PE / Size 33650 / 131.45 GB |
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| 22:30.22 | tremon | p_masho: note lines 20 and 21 |
| 22:30.38 | tremon | p_masho: next, read up on lvm |
| 22:30.39 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you COULD tell the kernel to spin it down first.... |
| 22:30.40 | p_masho | 21 is of interest.. |
| 22:31.13 | p_masho | tremon: ta ;-) |
| 22:31.30 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdWHATEV/device/delete |
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| 22:32.07 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: aha, cool... will that spin it down? thought I could just mdadm --fail, then --remove and finally hdparm -y |
| 22:33.07 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: replace hdparm with above |
| 22:33.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it sends a SCSI STOP or ATA... can't remember. But it spins mine down. |
| 22:34.00 | __zero | what's the command for knowing which package does a program belong to? |
| 22:34.31 | jelly-home | __zero: dpkg -S $(which program) |
| 22:34.32 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: oh, great to know |
| 22:34.49 | __zero | jelly-home, thanks |
| 22:35.11 | thewanderer1 | it seems that ata2.00 was the SATA1 indeed, too |
| 22:35.30 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and mor importantly, makes the kernel forget something was there, so a hotplug on the same port in the future might work |
| 22:36.07 | __zero | and one last question, if i apt-get source a package, where does it get downloaded? |
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| 22:36.20 | jelly-home | current directory |
| 22:36.35 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: is there perhaps a userspace tool that does it without my remembering the /sys paths? :P |
| 22:36.36 | __zero | jelly-home, thank you again |
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| 22:38.25 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: uh, write an alias? Or just remember /sys/block |
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| 22:39.00 | thewanderer1 | ok well, maybe I just hate interacting with the kernel via /sys |
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| 22:43.04 | owen1 | i want a quite and power efficient home server to host my test projects. any tips/sites/links i should look into? |
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| 22:43.43 | cookiemon5ter | owen1: what kind of projects ? |
| 22:44.11 | owen1 | cookiemon5ter: random websites + cron jobs + file server |
| 22:44.29 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: wait til /proc gets deprecated and removed |
| 22:44.43 | owen1 | it's a hardware question, i guess |
| 22:45.02 | cookiemon5ter | don't really need anything great for what you want |
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| 22:45.26 | owen1 | cookiemon5ter: ok. what sites should i look to buy this? (in the us) |
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| 22:46.01 | owen1 | cookiemon5ter: it's in my room, so i want it to be small and quite. |
| 22:46.03 | cookiemon5ter | i heard newegg is good |
| 22:46.16 | cookiemon5ter | owen1: what are you using now ? |
| 22:46.26 | Dinkum | Hello Everybody |
| 22:46.33 | Dinkum | is nsadmin here |
| 22:46.42 | owen1 | cookiemon5ter: old desktop. it's big and noisy |
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| 22:47.22 | cookiemon5ter | owen1: ask around for a used pc sure someone has one |
| 22:47.51 | Ryccardo | owen1: look for a Vectra VL400, if 800 MHz don't scare you |
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| 22:48.11 | thewanderer1 | owen1: first, Atom D2700 is said to be pretty good (unlike previous Atoms) - second, that may be better asked in ##hardware, but it's already been talked about today |
| 22:48.22 | owen1 | Ryccardo: it's running some cron jobs that scrape a lot of websites, so i want it to be pretty fast. |
| 22:48.22 | thewanderer1 | and yes, VL400 is good but noisy and not really as power-efficient |
| 22:48.27 | owen1 | thewanderer1: ^^ |
| 22:48.34 | Ryccardo | only a power supply fan and you might be able to find one with the internal UPS -- I have one and it's still good for being made in 2000 |
| 22:48.34 | thewanderer1 | aha... |
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| 22:48.56 | owen1 | thewanderer1: thanks, didn't know about ##hardware |
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| 22:48.59 | thewanderer1 | owen1: Intel Celeron G530 or G540 + random mobo will fit under $100 |
| 22:49.01 | __zero | owen1: i have a sheevaplug, you might wanna look at that |
| 22:49.03 | thewanderer1 | but go ahead and ask there |
| 22:49.24 | __zero | owen1: they cost around 100$ |
| 22:49.26 | owen1 | thewanderer1: __zero googling for those |
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| 22:49.59 | __zero | owen1: there is also something very interesting comming up called raspberry pi, they cost 25$ (no kidding) |
| 22:50.21 | __zero | owen1: only if memory is not a big issue for you |
| 22:50.30 | pikaro | hi! I just dist-upgraded my box, and I'm having quite some troubles. first of all, network-manager doesn't work any more, it tells me the wifi device were 'unavailable'; syslog shows it as device state: unmanaged -> unavailable (state: 'managed'). what could the device be managed by instead of network-manager? |
| 22:50.37 | owen1 | __zero: i know. but can i use it as a webserver that hosts multiple websites + running cronjobs that are a bit heavy on cpu? |
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| 22:51.43 | pikaro | uh, i meant 'reason: managed', not 'state...' |
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| 22:51.47 | __zero | owen1: raspberry pi I dont know because I don't own one, about the sheevaplug I have the old one and I have an ftp server + apache + mysql running not too heavy things |
| 22:52.31 | __zero | owen1: but i believe there's something from globalscale (that's the name of the company) that might fit your needs |
| 22:52.40 | Ryccardo | a beagleboard? |
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| 22:53.26 | __zero | Ryccardo: something like that |
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| 23:00.30 | alex- | Any way to fix my permissions problem? |
| 23:00.35 | alex- | permissions are f* up |
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| 23:01.26 | Diopter | alex-: ... what permissions problem? |
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| 23:03.09 | alex- | Diopter: Forbidden. You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 23:03.14 | alex- | When I visit my website ^ |
| 23:03.27 | nkuttler | alex-: check your error logs |
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| 23:03.30 | alex- | Or when I login to my account, I get permission denied because I don't have permissions to access my home dir |
| 23:03.47 | Diopter | alex-: You can't ssh in either? |
| 23:03.52 | alex- | Only with root |
| 23:03.57 | alex- | Not with a 'normal' user |
| 23:04.06 | Ryccardo | alex-: no problem then, chown :) |
| 23:04.13 | Diopter | alex-: Neat. Sounds like you might have clobbered permissions in a couple places. |
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| 23:05.23 | thewanderer1 | where do I find a list of all -march settings that my gcc supports? |
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| 23:06.59 | alex- | Diopter: I didn't do anything afaik |
| 23:07.02 | alex- | lol |
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| 23:08.07 | Diopter | alex-: Maybe you got hax0red. |
| 23:09.49 | alex- | Diopter: why do you think so? |
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| 23:11.32 | Diopter | alex-: Random changing of user and website permissions, when you think you didn't do anything. |
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| 23:13.09 | tremon | thewanderer1: ultimately, http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/ |
| 23:13.31 | born2troll | is this nasty javascript exploid fixed now? |
| 23:13.35 | thewanderer1 | oh well, was hoping for a local list from the binary :P |
| 23:13.45 | alex- | Diopter: how can I be sure? |
| 23:13.59 | Diopter | alex-: Google. Endless mountains of information. |
| 23:14.22 | tremon | thewanderer1: me too, but since nobody had a better answer... |
| 23:14.54 | alex- | http://9gag.com/gag/3748071 |
| 23:15.02 | thewanderer1 | thanks anyway |
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| 23:17.01 | djrazr_ | Well am a bit confused now ... I succesfull created an itable redirect from my server to an externall ip over udp / but it wont redirect from an a-record pointin to |
| 23:17.43 | born2troll | would you mind to take that +q away from me in #debian-offtopic? i have it since 1 mount and did not really deserve it in the first place -.- |
| 23:18.02 | djrazr_ | its that nick ofc :D |
| 23:18.19 | born2troll | really? ban for a nick? |
| 23:18.20 | Diopter | thewanderer1: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Submodel-Options.html#Submodel-Options |
| 23:18.28 | born2troll | i like my nick... |
| 23:19.14 | thewanderer1 | Diopter: that's what I looked at... so I suppose I should just choose the right version of the "onlinedocs" to know what my local version supports |
| 23:19.35 | Diopter | thewanderer1: Or just use -march=native and be done. Unless you're cross-compiling :P |
| 23:20.52 | peterrooney | born2troll: you may like it, but nobody in their right mind would take anything you say on the subject of debian seriously. Possibly on any IRC channel not related to motorized fishing techniques. |
| 23:21.45 | Ryccardo | ;D |
| 23:21.46 | peterrooney | s/Possibly/Possibly you won't be taken seriously/ |
| 23:21.49 | born2troll | petemc, people on slackware take me sireously and i enjoyed chatting with them a lot |
| 23:22.38 | born2troll | and they helped me on problems too... in fact they insisted to explain me slackware from a-z themself |
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| 23:28.43 | Natsukao | how to create a bbs ? |
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| 23:48.04 | Dinkum | Hi guys |
| 23:48.07 | Dinkum | is nsadmin there? |
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| 23:55.45 | p_masho | y |
| 23:56.28 | p_masho | stuck.. every time i run >> pvcreate -ff /dev/md3 << i get Can't open /dev/md3 exclusively. Mounted filesystem? .. how do i get around this.. |
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| 23:58.10 | tremon | p_masho: md3 is already an active volume group. You should be very happy with that error, because you would have overwritten all data on it |
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| 23:59.03 | tremon | p_masho: what you're looking for is the ability to add new volumes to vg00 (lvcreate), or enlarge the current volumes (lvextend) |
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| 23:59.40 | p_masho | tremon: i need to pvcreate first though ? |
