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| 00:00.23 | tremon | no, you already have a working PV and VG. the pvcreate and vgcreate have been done by the installer |
| 00:00.55 | toxicsgz | How do I update iceweasel? 'apt-get install iceweasel' ? |
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| 00:02.54 | engla | toxicsgz: apt-get update first |
| 00:02.56 | hoverbear | toxicsgz: If iceweasel needs to update it'll be updated in the next "apt-get update" or "apt-get install iceweasel", make sure to update your repos before doing so :) |
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| 00:03.42 | netkevin | Hey, is there a guide somewhere for all the different kernel packages? |
| 00:03.42 | toxicsgz | thx |
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| 00:04.41 | netkevin | E.g., how 686 is different from 486, what the -bigmem variant includes, etc. |
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| 00:26.59 | Iridos | huh... that qualifies as broken? thought it'd be an improvement |
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| 01:00.43 | vaco | I'm starting to notice that flash is kinda of clunky. For example somethings wont load where other times it takes a while to load, but stops randomly. Flash was setup originally for initial installation. Is this a common issue? |
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| 01:02.18 | jelly-home | vaco: uh, are you sure flash gets installed in "initial installation" of Debian at all? |
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| 01:02.32 | Sebboh | Hi. init.d scripts contain calls to a shell function named log_daemon_msg. Where is this function defined? Or, is it not a function? Can I make all those log messages go to a file? |
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| 01:03.09 | jelly-home | !tell Sebboh about bootlog |
| 01:03.14 | vaco | jelly-home: haha I came to that assumption when flash games load and I havent tried to install flash |
| 01:03.38 | jelly-home | vaco: which debian release are you using? |
| 01:04.08 | jelly-home | I guess it's possible a desktop install would come with gnash, but gnash is almost unusable |
| 01:05.07 | Iridos | or some remains in $HOME from a previous install? |
| 01:05.27 | vaco | jelly-home: im using a 64bit of squeeze |
| 01:05.41 | Sebboh | I don't have a /etc/default/bootlogd, shall I create one? I'd just try it, but doing so involves a reboot. :) |
| 01:06.07 | jelly-home | vaco: I find 32bit browser and 32bit adobe flash to still be slightly more stable than 64bit |
| 01:06.23 | vaco | wack |
| 01:08.09 | Sebboh | jelly-home: I didn't have package bootlogd installed. Doing that now. Thanks! |
| 01:08.15 | vaco | whats really weird is that I did the install with a i386 dvd and ended up 64bit |
| 01:10.09 | jelly-home | vaco: huh, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
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| 01:11.43 | vaco | jelly-home: it says i386, but grub says 64bit |
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| 01:12.20 | jelly-home | the kernel actually does not matter much. Your userspace is 32 bit. |
| 01:12.29 | jimi_c | I have a python package installed with setup.py which installs in /usr for redhat systems, but on debian things are going in /usr/local/*. Is there an easy way to change that? |
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| 01:14.05 | vaco | jelly-home: ok thank you for the clerification there. Ok I am pretty sure I gnash. Is there a proper way to remove it? |
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| 01:14.22 | vaco | or just a "apt-get remove" |
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| 01:15.23 | vaco | I am looking through their docs on their site and don't see anything specifying how to remove it |
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| 01:24.11 | pav5088 | I'd like to remove a task and all deps (ie. task-lxde-desktop ) but this task isn't listed in tasksel... (this is a wheezy install) |
| 01:24.28 | pav5088 | How can I do this? |
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| 01:38.03 | peterrooney | pav5088: aptitude ; followed by deborphan and/or apt-get [ --recon ] autoremove |
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| 01:42.43 | peterrooney | pav5088: if you're absolutely sure of the task name, direct from command line (rather than the ncurses interface) would be something like aptitude remove ~tlxde-desktop (and add a --simulate in case I'm braindead) |
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| 01:44.43 | pav5088 | peterrooney, it's quite strange... I removed the task packages with aptitude, and no deps were removed... and I installed/removed several packages... but now all of a sudden the deps are getting blown away (and I was only installing another package) - obviously I need to know some more about aptitude. |
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| 01:46.56 | antiwire | hey, I'm getting the following line error when to try to execute 'update-rc.d openbsd-inetd stop' Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/sbin/update-rc.d line 500. |
| 01:47.08 | antiwire | and it won't actually stop the service |
| 01:47.15 | antiwire | I'm on wheezy |
| 01:47.18 | peterrooney | pav5088: I don't know off the top of my head that aptitude has anything directly like apt-get's autoremove feature. |
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| 01:51.33 | sneex | no one uses invoke anymore ? Debian has changed a lot :P |
| 01:51.41 | somiaj | antiwire: have you checked the bts reports for your package. also do you get the same thing with /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd stop? |
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| 01:54.43 | antiwire | somiaj: I just talked to the dudes on oftc and they straightened me out. :) |
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| 01:55.19 | antiwire | I was doing it wrong |
| 01:55.51 | somiaj | yea I don't use update-rc.d to start/stop servirces, just manage the links |
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| 01:56.26 | sneex | invoke[tab] command start/stop ? |
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| 01:57.48 | somiaj | sneex: various ways, I call the scripts directly as I typed above. |
| 01:57.57 | somiaj | but yes that way works, (: |
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| 02:00.27 | sneex | ok - query - is debian more stable since 6 hasgone full swing? Maybe *I* am broken but I have slaughtered two fuile systems now :P |
| 02:00.45 | sneex | debian 6 on both :P |
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| 02:18.51 | somiaj | what are you doing to your systems to cause issues in stable |
| 02:18.56 | somiaj | are you installing packages from other repos? |
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| 02:20.28 | bytetracker | evenin somiaj |
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| 02:26.51 | somiaj | bytetracker: greetings |
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| 02:46.04 | peterrooney | Great. Loading any page with flash content results in segfault. |
| 02:46.49 | peterrooney | I don't know who I should chastise first, mozilla foundation or adobe. |
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| 02:48.41 | somiaj | have you tried another browser? The debian flash installer isn't seeming to install the latest flash you could try upgrading from adobe |
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| 02:52.38 | peterrooney | somiaj: crashes both iceweasel and epiphany. Huh. I don't recall any updates recently. |
| 02:53.19 | somiaj | see a few bugs about segfaulting and crashing in the bts |
| 02:53.29 | innociv | I have an attack on my system using up all my cpu. How am I supposed to figure out what it is when i can't even connecT? |
| 02:53.32 | somiaj | what version of debian you running peterrooney ? |
| 02:53.42 | peterrooney | somiaj: stable |
| 02:53.46 | innociv | Seems to be a ddos attack as it only happens with network up |
| 02:54.08 | innociv | but the attack doesn't use super high network. |
| 02:54.51 | somiaj | innociv: check the logs (this is on your aws server, just shut off the elastic ip so you can get to it and try to figure it out)? |
| 02:55.11 | innociv | yes i can drop the ip. |
| 02:55.15 | innociv | Which log? /var/log/sys? |
| 02:55.20 | somiaj | peterrooney: strange, what version of flash in about:plugins -- are you using the iceweasle from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 02:55.59 | somiaj | innociv: that is one place to start, not sure which one would give you the best info. |
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| 02:56.23 | somiaj | maybe start a top log, then bring the network up and let the attack happen see if it records what process eats teh cpu (though not sure how to log that) |
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| 02:56.44 | Dulak | innociv: what web server are you using? |
| 02:56.56 | innociv | amazon ec2 |
| 02:57.18 | Dulak | innociv: no the web server. apache? nginx? cherokee? |
| 02:57.23 | innociv | Ah. Lighttpd |
| 02:57.37 | innociv | I would guess that it is php or lighttpd that is the culpret here too. |
| 02:57.39 | somiaj | just getting tons of requests causing the webserver to go crazy? |
| 02:57.41 | Dulak | innociv: you using ssl for https? |
| 02:57.46 | innociv | Not using https |
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| 02:58.39 | Dulak | there was a denial of service on web servers not too long back but I think it was tied to ssl, so if you aren't using ssl that is not the issue |
| 02:59.01 | innociv | i'm going to stop lighttpd and put it back up |
| 02:59.24 | peterrooney | somiaj: sorry for delay, had to re-install. Version is listed as "Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202" |
| 02:59.45 | Dulak | innociv: what version of lighttpd? |
| 03:00.05 | innociv | 1.4 something. |
| 03:00.34 | somiaj | that seems like the current version of flash peterrooney.... |
| 03:00.36 | innociv | not sure how to check it |
| 03:00.55 | Dulak | innociv: yeah there is a slow request denial of service bug in almost all 1.4.x lighttpd below 1.4.26 |
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| 03:01.07 | somiaj | ,versions lighttpd |
| 03:01.08 | judd | Package: lighttpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny3; squeeze: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1; sid: 1.4.30-1; wheezy: 1.4.30-1 |
| 03:01.22 | innociv | Ahh. |
| 03:01.23 | somiaj | I'd think the one in squeeze should be fixed if it is known |
| 03:01.48 | innociv | Actually using ubuntu since I moved to AWS :( |
| 03:01.59 | Dulak | it's showing 1.4.28, and the bug was supposed to be fixed in 1.4.27 |
| 03:02.00 | innociv | Because they have their "please use me" ubuntu build. |
| 03:02.03 | somiaj | then I would be asking questions in ubuntu. (: |
| 03:02.13 | innociv | But I'm still a debian user at heart. |
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| 03:02.23 | kevlarman | i really hate it too :( |
| 03:02.29 | Dulak | innociv: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/38036 |
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| 03:02.34 | kevlarman | but it's hard to argue with the s3 mirrors |
| 03:02.40 | innociv | but you're right, for this issue, since it's their package maintainer not debians here |
| 03:02.45 | somiaj | use their ubuntu image to make a custom debian image with debootstrap |
| 03:02.52 | innociv | somiaj, i considered it |
| 03:02.54 | Dulak | innociv: personally I prefer nginx over lighttpd |
| 03:03.10 | innociv | dulak, i first tried using nginx like 3 years ago and the documentation was terrible.. |
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| 03:03.21 | innociv | I noticed it's improved an insane amount, but now i've used lighttpd all this time |
| 03:03.31 | Dulak | On EC2 I use the rightscale debian squeeze AMIs, they are super lightweight and you can just uninstall the rightscale package to get back to a base debian. |
| 03:04.07 | innociv | took down lighttpd and either the attacks stopped, or it's indeed a lighttpd exploit |
| 03:04.48 | Dulak | innociv: run lighttpd --version or whatever to see what version you have, hell even dpkg -l | grep lighttpd should give you the base version |
| 03:05.09 | innociv | 1.4.28 |
| 03:05.20 | innociv | So it should be fixed. |
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| 03:06.16 | innociv | So it's either php or lighttpd... |
| 03:06.33 | Dulak | The DOS exploit I linked was supposed to be fixed in 1.4.27, but that's not to say there isn't another one just like it, or that debian/ubuntu patches on the package didn't bring it back. |
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| 03:07.05 | z3x334u | does Debian support Xen? |
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| 03:07.16 | innociv | Or it could be they they coincidentally stopped that attack |
| 03:07.34 | somiaj | z3x334u: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 03:10.23 | acx0 | what's the preferred way to manage startup scripts, using update-rc.d or insserv? |
| 03:10.47 | somiaj | eitehr works, update-rc.d calls inserv in the long run anyways |
| 03:10.56 | innociv | Okay yeah I'm certain now. They did the attack again. I stop lighttpd and immediately it is fine |
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| 03:11.02 | somiaj | update-rc.d is a debian script if you think that makes it more offical acx0 |
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| 03:12.27 | innociv | Dulak, do you recall if there is something I can look for in access.log? Or would it not show? |
| 03:13.16 | Dulak | innociv: It's just specially crafted requests, look for duplicate request strings in the log and see what file/url they are hitting that is causing the problem |
| 03:13.34 | innociv | yeah not seeing that :( |
| 03:13.54 | innociv | Took the last 1000 lines and don't see a bunch of repeats or anything |
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| 03:14.13 | acx0 | somiaj: I see. just so I understand correctly, boot scripts are stored in /etc/init.d, and the rc.d system manages startup scripts for different runlevels by creating symlinks in the appropriate rcN.d dir? |
| 03:14.54 | somiaj | acx0: with a few of the /etc/rc?.d being for start up and shut down |
| 03:15.22 | somiaj | acx0: but yes scripts in /etc/init.d/ links in /etc/rc?.d (usually done in paticular orders) |
| 03:15.22 | Dulak | innociv: get tmux or screen going, renice your shell and tmux or screen so you get priority cpu, then start it up let it get hammered, then use strace to see what is going on under the hood |
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| 03:15.57 | Dulak | innociv: renice sshd too in case you get disconnected when it gets slammed |
| 03:15.59 | acx0 | somiaj: okay, so if I were to use update-rc or insserv to remove a startup script, it would just remove the symlink right? |
| 03:16.36 | innociv | Oh god this is pretty above my experience and knowledge level. I do have screen installed to start with. |
| 03:17.21 | innociv | which priority is highest? |
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| 03:18.47 | Dulak | innociv: -20 is highest priority, 19 is lowest |
| 03:19.06 | innociv | Ok. |
| 03:19.18 | Dulak | innociv: you only need to go 1 less than whatever everything else is running at though |
| 03:19.47 | Dulak | innociv: don't put stuff to -20, ever |
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| 03:20.49 | innociv | er well how do i see the priority of everything else? Is that "PRI" in htop? All are 20. |
| 03:22.09 | Dulak | innociv: no the NI not the pri |
| 03:22.25 | Dulak | innociv: usually it's 0 by default |
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| 03:22.39 | innociv | Ok. They're all 0. So I just set ssh to -1, open screen and set that screen to -1 also? |
| 03:23.12 | Dulak | innociv: I typically renice to -5 in that situation, because some daemons use -2 and -4 |
| 03:23.41 | Dulak | innociv: but -1 would be fine I'd bet since whatever is going crazy is liable to be default 0 |
| 03:24.11 | innociv | Yeah everything running is 0. But -5 wouldn't hurt no? |
| 03:26.22 | innociv | Bleh it's a different attack now |
| 03:26.35 | innociv | making me send out lots of data. |
| 03:26.59 | innociv | Oh I forgot to put iptables up after reboot |
| 03:28.07 | Dulak | innociv: -5 is fine, you just don't want to be at -20 which is realtime, it's not fun |
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| 03:30.40 | Dulak | Well it would be fine, it's putting whatever is sucking up the cpu at -20 that is the horrible idea, which I learned the hard way a long time ago. 'oh hey it's taking all the cpu? well let's renice to -20 so it can really have it all....' |
| 03:31.01 | Dulak | talk about a facepalm |
| 03:32.05 | innociv | Oh lmao |
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| 03:33.13 | innociv | Ah nice |
| 03:33.44 | innociv | I see hte 50% cpu usage in htop but i dont use anything using it |
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| 03:34.18 | Dulak | once you renice your shell and screen the cpu can hit 100% and you'll still be able to do stuff |
| 03:34.23 | innociv | Lost connection :/ |
| 03:34.27 | innociv | yes until i got dc'd |
| 03:34.52 | Dulak | Yes did you renice sshd? |
| 03:34.58 | innociv | Yes I did |
| 03:35.06 | innociv | it still disconnected me. |
| 03:35.12 | Dulak | Hmmm. |
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| 03:36.47 | innociv | I was in htop for about 10 seconds and i saw the cpu usage going 30%-100% but i didn't see any process using more than 3%.. |
| 03:36.51 | innociv | and the 3% was htop |
| 03:38.10 | innociv | I may have to install nginx... :( |
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| 03:38.51 | innociv | going to drop out php and try that first though |
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| 03:39.25 | Dulak | innociv: you reconnected on ssh after you reniced sshd? What I do is have sshd reniced to -5 in rc.local, so anytime I connect via ssh everything gets -5 to start, the shell and any command I run. |
| 03:39.35 | innociv | nope couldn't connect |
| 03:39.56 | Dulak | innociv: you should have reconnected to the -5 sshd, then started things up |
| 03:39.57 | innociv | dulak, well like I said it didn't show any process using up all that cpu.. |
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| 03:40.04 | innociv | I couldn't reconnect |
| 03:40.16 | innociv | where is rc.local? |
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| 03:40.27 | Dulak | innociv: Arg. renice sshd, logout, login again, start web server |
| 03:40.35 | _joey | I downloaded netinstall debian 6.0.4. Inserted CD disc in a system, booted, it doesn't see usb keyboard. I cannot start install to load the modules. How do get around this problem? Thanks! |
| 03:40.51 | Dulak | innociv: /etc/rc.local |
| 03:41.22 | somiaj | _joey: that is odd, does the bios see the keyboard? |
| 03:41.23 | innociv | er... so what do I put in there? How would I know the pid? |
| 03:41.52 | _joey | somiaj: no |
| 03:42.08 | innociv | I just took the pid from htop before. |
| 03:42.34 | _joey | somiaj: can I edit config files on iso to start install automatically |
| 03:42.51 | _joey | it would load usb modules and the keyboard would be working |
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| 03:44.33 | Dulak | innociv: this is the line from mine: /usr/bin/renice -5 $(ps -ef | awk '/\/usr\/sbin\/sshd/{print $2}') |
| 03:45.42 | innociv | and exit 0 at the end still, right? |
| 03:45.51 | _joey | oh well. I was going to setup file server on older system with large space. It gives me trouble. I may get WinXp install instead |
| 03:45.54 | somiaj | _joey: there are preseed things you can do, but if your bois can't see your keyboard either not sure what to do. |
| 03:46.14 | somiaj | _joey: this is for an older computer? Can you take the drive out and put it into another machine to put the os on it? |
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| 03:46.25 | _joey | it's ms keyboard 800 |
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| 03:46.51 | Dulak | _joey: go into the bios and set the usb to legacy mode, or bios mode. |
| 03:47.08 | _joey | it works with linux. it just BIOS does not see it, and there is install menu. one needs to press enter to continue to load kernel modules |
| 03:47.24 | _joey | at the menu |
| 03:47.31 | Dulak | _joey: I have that problem with usb keyboard on an old machine but in the bios there is a setting 'usb os' or 'usb bios' setting it to bios lets the usb keyboard work |
| 03:47.45 | _joey | Dulak: keyboard does not work I cannot go to the BIOS |
| 03:48.11 | somiaj | _joey: well you can try to write a preseed to install it that way, but I would suggest putting the hd in another macine, install on the hd, move it back |
| 03:48.31 | Dulak | That's weird even with the setting off I can get into the bios, it's the grub prompt that won't see the keyboard |
| 03:49.07 | _joey | I don't have another machine at home |
| 03:49.27 | _joey | it maybe easier to find an old ps/2 keyboard |
| 03:49.35 | innociv | Oh hell. I can't disable fcgi php on lighttpd because then it'll show the php files as plain text. |
| 03:49.42 | somiaj | have one of those older usb -> ps2 adaptors |
| 03:49.49 | _joey | oh! |
| 03:49.53 | _joey | I should have it somewhere |
| 03:50.19 | Dulak | innociv: just turn off the fcgi part and let the php error |
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| 03:50.58 | Dulak | innociv: you just need to see if it's a php thing or the server that is being hammered |
| 03:51.15 | innociv | yeah but i'm pretty sure if i turn off fastcgi, it's going to show the pages as plain text. |
| 03:52.08 | _joey | somiaj: would it matter if the adapter is for mouse. it's got mouse on it and it's ps/2 - usb |
| 03:52.26 | somiaj | oh yea those were for mice, give it a try |
| 03:52.41 | somiaj | but yes I just rember the adapter not that it was for mice |
| 03:52.53 | somiaj | it can't hurt. (: |
| 03:55.53 | innociv | This is so frustrating. |
| 03:56.33 | innociv | If I use cloudflare, all source ips are going to look like cloudflare's dns aren't they? |
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| 03:57.44 | somiaj | innociv: what ever did you do to get someone targeting your servers? |
| 03:57.57 | innociv | Made a better site than them, I believe. |
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| 03:59.28 | Dulak | innociv: I am not sure how cloudflare works but if you only see their ips in your logs you have to get logs from them for real traffic. |
| 03:59.54 | innociv | And then how am I supposed to block them when I can't block by ip? :\ |
| 04:00.31 | Dulak | innociv: likely once you figure it out you can report it to them and they will filter for it, that's kind of their entire marketing message. |
| 04:01.23 | Dulak | innociv: but it's looking more and more likely it's a php thing someone is hitting, if it were static requests you wouldn't be seeing it, behind a cdn |
| 04:01.36 | innociv | Yeah. I'm thinking of trying to go behind cloudflare again |
| 04:01.51 | Dulak | innociv: Oh I thought you were behind a cdn |
| 04:02.00 | innociv | I was before but it wasn't working |
| 04:02.05 | innociv | Still got attacked hard |
| 04:04.55 | Dulak | I had that problem after I got a blank page to #3 on google search results. I bumped someone and they proceeded to hammer my site for months. |
| 04:05.21 | Dulak | Best part is I'm still #3, the page is still blank, and the server never went down. |
| 04:06.29 | innociv | lol |
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| 04:23.45 | dwon | !wine |
| 04:23.45 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 04:23.55 | dwon | !newer wine |
| 04:23.55 | dpkg | The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for wheezy/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to squeeze with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support. |
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| 04:25.05 | dwon | :-/ |
| 04:25.17 | somiaj | dwon: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 04:25.40 | somiaj | dwon: also I prefer to compile wine myself, it installs just fine in /usr/local and if you keep the source around you can make uninstall it |
| 04:27.03 | dwon | Well, the point of installing Debian is that I don't have to compile everything myself. |
| 04:27.17 | dwon | reads about how wine is out of date in sid, and missing entirely from wheezy. |
| 04:28.12 | somiaj | yes, but due to the inactivity of the wine matainers I don't really consider it part of debian. |
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| 04:28.51 | dwon | It really is too common that Debian packages are out-of-date. |
| 04:29.18 | dwon | At least they removed it from wheezy, rather than keeping an obsolete version. |
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| 04:29.28 | grothendieck | problem caused by lazy maintainers or packages in non-free being buggy == debian's fault |
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| 04:29.38 | dwon | wine isn't non-free |
| 04:29.44 | grothendieck | I know |
| 04:30.40 | grothendieck | It is not very well maintained |
| 04:30.53 | dwon | I wonder if Debian should adopt a more agressive NMU policy. IIRC, a maintainer can disappear for months, and unless there's a security hole, nobody else will touch it. |
| 04:31.48 | grothendieck | but then you end up with the other problem you mentioned |
| 04:31.57 | grothendieck | "the point of installing debian is I don't have to compile everything from scratch" |
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| 04:32.48 | cantido | grothendieck: letting other DD's update packages where the maintainer has gone AWOL would mean you don't have to compile your own versions. |
| 04:32.55 | grothendieck | oh |
| 04:33.05 | grothendieck | I thought he meant removing unmaintained packages from repos |
| 04:33.12 | grothendieck | misunderstanding |
| 04:33.28 | grothendieck | it would be nice if it were easier to commit to debian repository |
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| 04:33.45 | grothendieck | instead of having to go through like three levels of high priests |
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| 04:34.31 | dwon | Well, I meant two things. Yes, unmaintained packages should be removed from the repos, at least if they're unusable. But any DD should be able to just fix all the bugs on their own system, NMUing as necessary if they don't get a response in, say, a week. If every DD could do this, we'd have a much better system. |
| 04:34.32 | cantido | it would be nice if some DD's actually wanted to maintain their packages opposed to just have the status of "DD" |
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| 04:35.36 | dwon | I think part of the problem is that the current system sort of worked when Debian was on the upward slope of its hype cycle. You could get away with a lot of inefficiencies when you had a *ton* of contributors. |
| 04:36.47 | cantido | dwon: you basically only need a buddy that's in Debian to get into Debian.. which means contributors might only be competent according to their friend.. |
| 04:37.28 | cantido | dwon: some packages never get fixes because the DD has zero idea how to do it.. or they have zero idea and do it anyway like what happened with openssl |
| 04:37.57 | Sysop_Clubber | cantido u women |
| 04:38.24 | Sysop_Clubber | cantido fuck you |
| 04:38.28 | Sysop_Clubber | sex ohhh |
| 04:38.47 | nsadmin | Sysop_Clubber: try bradp.com |
| 04:39.03 | nsadmin | you deserve each other :P |
| 04:39.15 | Sysop_Clubber | nsadmin fuck your mother |
| 04:39.52 | cantido | wonders why nsadmin knows about a multi-cd dating education package.. |
| 04:39.54 | nsadmin | Are you somehow hurting? |
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| 04:40.31 | nsadmin | cantido, went thru one of their programs |
| 04:41.11 | dwon | nsadmin: Please tell me it consists of, "Treat women like people; Don't be a scumbag." |
| 04:41.11 | nsadmin | I couldn't get into it, it seemed harsh, intense and a touch mean-spirited |
| 04:41.51 | nsadmin | dwon, no, not a chance :) but authenticmanprogram.com does |
| 04:42.06 | cantido | dwon: nah, it says "show women your collection of debian install disks dating all the way back to potato install floppies" :) |
| 04:42.28 | dwon | Potato? I won't date anyone who didn't at least run slink. |
| 04:42.33 | nsadmin | so that you can say your disk is getting bigger |
| 04:43.20 | cantido | has a feeling their wouldn't be many females that match dwon's requirements :( |
| 04:43.40 | dwon | Well, the slink thing was a joke, but cantido is right, anyway. |
| 04:43.45 | Hydroxide | reminds everyone that Debian users and contributors include both men and women - don't assume that everyone in the community is male and try not to use sexist humor |
| 04:43.56 | nsadmin | however there are lots of woman engineers at MIT |
| 04:44.13 | cantido | didn't realise anyone was being sexist.. |
| 04:44.26 | cantido | oh the thought crime |
| 04:44.29 | cantido | cries |
| 04:44.55 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, that;s just nuts... remember this IS the internet... |
| 04:45.04 | dwon | cantido: perhaps not, but these sorts of conversations tend to get ugly. Hydroxide's right. |
| 04:45.48 | dwon | There are probably women on this channel right now, who don't identify as women because they don't want to deal with the bullshit. |
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| 04:45.58 | simonlnu | yup |
| 04:46.17 | cantido | dwon: well, to be honest why does anyone even need to mention their gender here? |
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| 04:46.30 | luke3321 | Should |
| 04:46.32 | luke3321 | t |
| 04:46.32 | nsadmin | dwon, and a few who do. |
| 04:46.33 | luke3321 | need to |
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| 04:46.38 | cantido | dwon: most people say "he" etc because most people here are male and it's just easier |
| 04:46.40 | luke3321 | (Stupid enter key) |
| 04:46.57 | grothendieck | I once used my girlfriend's laptop to get on IRC and it gave me her name as default username |
| 04:47.10 | grothendieck | IRC has never been more helpful |
| 04:47.15 | nsadmin | cantido, and said women have been known -here- to object to being called a "he" |
| 04:47.18 | grothendieck | and then talkative after being helpful |
| 04:47.24 | luke3321 | I think in many cases the use of a word like "he" is like saying "manpower", it is oftern accepted to mean men and women |
| 04:47.32 | Hydroxide | cantido: women still get alienated by male-centric humor (e.g. dating jokes that assume the other party is a woman, or male genitalia jokes.) I'm not trying to slap down the gender-neutral "he" pronoun in English |
| 04:47.59 | Hydroxide | though "they" has a long history of being another gender-neutral singular pronoun all the way back to the 1500s at least, despite what grammarians say |
| 04:48.21 | cantido | Hydroxide: my wife would be insulted that everyone cut out any dating humour etc just because of the presence of women |
| 04:48.29 | nsadmin | "they" is more gender-neutral than "he" |
| 04:48.30 | luke3321 | True, but schools today teach that use of the word "they" is wrong |
| 04:48.41 | Hydroxide | cantido: at least accept that dating humor of any kind is off-topic in #debian :) |
| 04:48.42 | grothendieck | russian has a gender neutral pronoun, being superior to english in nearly every way |
| 04:48.43 | cantido | Hydroxide: my wife likes penis and fart jokes.. a lot of females do |
| 04:49.06 | nsadmin | said schools are probably full of it |
| 04:49.07 | Hydroxide | cantido: do it somewhere where it's on-topic and okay with the audience. whether you're okay with it here or not, it's definitely off-topic |
| 04:49.08 | simonlnu | switch to a language that has a different set of types, like animate/inanimate ;). |
| 04:49.14 | reportings | why?! |
| 04:49.25 | reportings | why does the debian installer have so many issues connecting to the internet? |
| 04:49.40 | cantido | reportings: what issues are you having? |
| 04:49.40 | dwon | reportings: eh? |
| 04:49.44 | reportings | I don't know if I have ever succeeded in having it connect whether wireless or wired |
| 04:49.46 | nsadmin | ok, ontopic please... we have guests |
| 04:49.52 | reportings | nsadmin: haha |
| 04:50.06 | nsadmin | reportings, let's back up, so you're trying to install? |
| 04:50.18 | reportings | well, it does the "trying to connect.. dhcp blah blah" and then fails |
| 04:50.21 | reportings | nsadmin: correct |
| 04:50.29 | Hydroxide | reportings: depending on your chipset, you might need to have firmware available during the install. that's a lot less common for wired installs, but occasional chipsets require it |
| 04:50.31 | nsadmin | ok, wired or wireless? |
| 04:50.33 | reportings | nsadmin: 6.0.4 stable netinst |
| 04:50.41 | nsadmin | what arch? |
| 04:50.45 | reportings | amd64 |
| 04:50.49 | nsadmin | ok |
| 04:50.54 | nsadmin | ok, wired or wireless? |
| 04:51.04 | reportings | it is currently wired directly to the router |
| 04:51.18 | grothendieck | router uses dhcp? |
| 04:51.21 | reportings | yes |
| 04:51.25 | grothendieck | firewall? |
| 04:51.30 | nsadmin | one of the virtual consoles has more detailed logs |
| 04:51.32 | reportings | no |
| 04:51.34 | Hydroxide | reportings: btw, the debian installer in 6.0 doesn't support WPA (it suppots open and WEP), but in 7.0 the installer will support WPA. |
| 04:51.42 | Hydroxide | reportings: debian in general supports it fine |
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| 04:51.52 | Hydroxide | !firmware |
| 04:51.52 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:51.58 | Hydroxide | !installer firmware |
| 04:51.59 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 04:52.01 | reportings | Hydroxide: damn, I don't have any extra disks to get 7. How unstable is 7 at this point? |
| 04:52.01 | nsadmin | well he says wired |
| 04:52.12 | Hydroxide | reportings: stick with 6.0 for now |
| 04:52.16 | cantido | Hydroxide: if he/she/it didn't have firmware I don't think they would be at the dhcp stage |
| 04:52.20 | Hydroxide | reportings: see the "installer firmware" links it said |
| 04:52.25 | nsadmin | you can install 6 abd upgrade to 7 |
| 04:52.39 | Hydroxide | cantido: many situations exist where it would see the NIC without firmware but not work properly without firmware |
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| 04:52.48 | cantido | reportings: have you tried using a static ip? |
| 04:52.52 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, just a sec, he says he's using wired at the moment... what did you see I missed? |
| 04:52.53 | reportings | nsadmin: I actually have 6 installed from DVD-1.iso that I grabbed, but it was acting really wonky |
| 04:53.13 | nsadmin | in what way? |
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| 04:53.21 | nsadmin | I can';t do anything with that :) |
| 04:53.24 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: certain chipsets need firmware for wired. it's rare but does exist |
| 04:53.31 | reportings | haha, yeah. Let me explain a bit more. |
| 04:54.08 | reportings | I installed 6 off of DVD-1.iso yesterday and like every other time I have tried in the past year, networkmanager completely fails to let me connect to WPA2 wireless networks. |
| 04:54.08 | Hydroxide | reportings: if you're in the installer, can you go to a terminal (alt+f2) and get to a prompt and type lspci and tell us what it says for your Ethernet controller? |
| 04:54.09 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, wired... w-i-r-e-b (oops, kant spel) |
| 04:54.19 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: right. I know what wired is. |
| 04:54.19 | cantido | if you can't get the netinst to install.. get the first CD, install that and then fix the issue from inside debian, a lot easier :) |
| 04:54.34 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: there are situations where wired Ethernet nics, i.e. the kind with a cable, need firmware |
| 04:54.37 | nsadmin | it's also what he's using :) again, what did you read I missed :) |
| 04:54.39 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: it's rare, but it does exist |
| 04:54.45 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 04:54.53 | reportings | cantido: well, I installed like 15 different libraries trying to upgrade wpasupplicant and said forget it, this is a new install and is supposed to be clean... |
| 04:54.55 | cantido | some broadcom cards need firmware IIRC |
| 04:54.57 | nsadmin | can he run lspci? |
| 04:54.59 | luke3321 | my NIC needs firmware |
| 04:55.02 | luke3321 | it can happen |
| 04:55.06 | luke3321 | s/can/does/ |
| 04:55.08 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: just asked him to. are our lines crossing? :) |
| 04:55.19 | cantido | I didn't think you would get an interface without firmware though |
| 04:55.26 | dwon | ^ |
| 04:55.28 | Hydroxide | cantido: that happens too. |
| 04:55.31 | cantido | i.e. the module should fail to load if you don't have firmware |
| 04:55.35 | nsadmin | yeah, they must be atm |
| 04:55.38 | luke3321 | I had a time where without firmware the NIC would go, but only at 20kbps |
| 04:55.47 | reportings | Hydroxide: it's an atheros gigabit etherent controller |
| 04:55.52 | cantido | Hydroxide: never seen it, but I trust you :) |
| 04:56.07 | Hydroxide | reportings: can you give us the specific chipset name? |
| 04:56.26 | reportings | Atheros Communications L1 Gigabit Ethernet (rev b0) |
| 04:56.46 | nsadmin | reportings, does that do wired -and- wireless? atheros is known as a wireless device provider, and has been very linux friendly |
| 04:56.52 | reportings | nope, just wired |
| 04:56.57 | reportings | gigabit ethernet :) |
| 04:57.10 | reportings | I have a seperate card for wireless |
| 04:57.22 | reportings | which is also Atheros... |
| 04:57.24 | nsadmin | oh ok, are you in the installer now? |
| 04:57.43 | reportings | nsadmin: I am, but I can cancel it currently and bring up debian if you want |
| 04:57.44 | nsadmin | and, are you doing graphic or text-based install? |
| 04:57.49 | reportings | graphical |
| 04:57.50 | cantido | wonders if that ethernet chipset needs a newer kernel to work correctly.. |
| 04:57.56 | nsadmin | wait there's a debian on it now? |
| 04:57.58 | Hydroxide | cantido: yeah, wondering too |
| 04:58.38 | cantido | would the shell on one of the VTs to set an ip and see if I can ping the machine from somewhere |
| 04:58.42 | reportings | nsadmin: I installed it yesterday successfully, but wpasupplicant had some sort of bug that wouldn't let me connect to my wireless (wpa2) and after installing a bunch of libraries decided I wanted to try a clean install again. |
| 04:58.48 | cantido | s/would/would use/ |
| 04:58.59 | nsadmin | will it connect wired? |
| 04:59.11 | reportings | cantido: I was on ubuntu 10.10 previously with no problems, so whatever that kernel was is alright |
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| 04:59.25 | Hydroxide | reportings: in that case, yeah, you probably want to have firmware available |
| 04:59.27 | cantido | is ubuntu using 2.6.32? |
| 04:59.28 | reportings | nsadmin: well, it was a really bad connection for some reason. Sometimes it wouldn't work, othertimes it would. |
| 04:59.31 | Hydroxide | reportings: do you have a USB stick available that you can wipe? |
| 04:59.36 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 04:59.37 | Hydroxide | reportings: or an SD card + reader? |
| 04:59.44 | reportings | Hydroxide: usb, yes |
| 05:00.21 | Hydroxide | reportings: ok. download this |
| 05:00.23 | Hydroxide | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/firmware.tar.gz |
| 05:00.36 | Hydroxide | reportings: actually, you don't have to wipe it as long as it's some filesystem Linux can read (FAT* is fine) |
| 05:00.42 | Hydroxide | reportings: extract that into the root of the usb stick |
| 05:00.46 | reportings | nsadmin: and I tested that my actual connection wasn't bad. Was getting 30Gb/s on another computer, varied from nothing to 20Mb/s on squeeze |
| 05:00.53 | nsadmin | the good news is we should be able to do this... I guess Hydroxide or someone put the thought of going to wheezy... |
| 05:00.54 | Hydroxide | reportings: then restart the installer with that usb stick in there |
| 05:01.18 | Hydroxide | reportings: that should let you install with maximum firmware available |
| 05:01.18 | reportings | Hydroxide: ok, let me download that |
| 05:01.34 | Hydroxide | reportings: and the installer will use it if your hardware requires it, but not otherwise |
| 05:01.54 | grothendieck | having gentoo installer flashbacks |
| 05:01.57 | nsadmin | how much effort would it take to get wpa and possibly wpa2 into the installer? |
| 05:02.02 | reportings | grothendieck: tell me about it |
| 05:02.09 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: it's already there in wheezy's installer |
| 05:02.18 | nsadmin | so... |
| 05:02.20 | nsadmin | zero :) |
| 05:02.25 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: yup :) |
| 05:02.29 | Hydroxide | well |
| 05:02.29 | reportings | Hydroxide: what all do I have to do besides put the thumb drive in? |
| 05:02.32 | Hydroxide | nonzero, but it happened already |
| 05:02.53 | Hydroxide | reportings: nothing. if you've extracted the contents of that tarball into the root of the filesystem, and it's a standard USB key format like a single partition of fat32 or whatever, it's enough |
| 05:02.59 | Hydroxide | reportings: the installer will check for it |
| 05:02.59 | reportings | oh.. |
| 05:03.02 | nsadmin | reportings, you need to have extracted the firmware tarball onto it |
| 05:03.02 | reportings | I have to extract it |
| 05:03.17 | reportings | give me like 10 minutes then, as this computer is a chromebook so I can't do that here |
| 05:03.24 | Hydroxide | reportings: ah ok |
| 05:03.26 | nsadmin | mount the stick to say /mnt |
| 05:03.46 | nsadmin | once you've done that... oh, anything on the stick you want to save? |
| 05:03.50 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: no need to wipe it |
| 05:04.10 | luke3321 | having flashbacks to compiling the firmware for his NIC. |
| 05:04.26 | nsadmin | true... but we're doin stuff that could make it go bad |
| 05:04.28 | Hydroxide | luke3321: except it's already there and it'll add contrib and non-free if required to get you updates to your firmware |
| 05:04.33 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: extracting a tarball? no :) |
| 05:04.44 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: but, yes, if he installs debian to the usb stick by mistake, that would be a problem |
| 05:04.47 | nsadmin | pulling the stick while it's mounted... |
| 05:04.54 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: no need to do that either |
| 05:04.57 | reportings | Hydroxide: heh, I'll be sure not to do that |
| 05:05.01 | Hydroxide | reportings: :) |
| 05:05.12 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: the installer does unmount filesystems before rebooting |
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| 05:05.30 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, right, I'm saying these things are -possible-, so a bit of due caution is appropriate |
| 05:05.44 | reportings | why? Why NetworkManager? Why must you torment me? |
| 05:05.58 | luke3321 | Hydroxide: mhm. I just meant the need of extra firmware was reminding me of another quite bad D-I firmware issue I had. Wasnt saying this issue needed customed compiled stuff :P |
| 05:06.00 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: sure, though not any more than doing anything else with a usb stick, so we're just disagreeing on how much caution is due. no worries, I guess we're agreeing |
| 05:06.01 | reportings | start up squeeze.. NM decides to connect to wireless |
| 05:06.05 | nsadmin | reportings, we're wayyyy ahead of ourselves :) |
| 05:06.18 | Hydroxide | luke3321: right. D-I firmware is so much easier to handle now than pre-squeeze |
| 05:06.30 | luke3321 | Hydroxide: It was squeeze |
| 05:06.37 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, all I'm suggesting is he make sure he's got what he wants to save off the stick |
| 05:06.39 | Hydroxide | err, than pre-lenny |
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| 05:07.02 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: ok. he's heard our thoughts, reportings will make a judgment call and act accordingly |
| 05:07.18 | reportings | I will just wipe it |
| 05:07.21 | Hydroxide | luke3321: oh, the firmware itself wasn't new enough? wow. that isn't a firmware issue, that's a version issue |
| 05:07.23 | reportings | nothing at all on the stick |
| 05:07.35 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: I also started by asking him if he had a usb stick he can wipe... :) |
| 05:07.38 | nsadmin | reportings, ok, umm :) good enuf :) |
| 05:07.44 | reportings | what are the flags for decompressing tar.gz? |
| 05:07.47 | nsadmin | oh ok :) |
| 05:07.50 | reportings | tar xvf? |
| 05:07.50 | Hydroxide | reportings: tar xzf |
| 05:07.55 | reportings | ah, xzf! |
| 05:07.58 | Hydroxide | or tar xzvf if youwant to see |
| 05:08.00 | Hydroxide | the output |
| 05:08.02 | nsadmin | with -C /mnt |
| 05:08.20 | Hydroxide | new enough GNU tar will guess the z for you, but don't count on that |
| 05:08.34 | nsadmin | or, where did you mount the newly erased stick (oh, and how did you erase?) |
| 05:09.01 | luke3321 | Hydroxide: The problem ended up being that the firmware we have in the repos was a slightly different "flavor" of the firmware my NIC needed. |
| 05:09.06 | Hydroxide | luke3321: ah |
| 05:09.16 | nsadmin | reportings, where is the stick mounted? |
| 05:09.18 | luke3321 | Hydroxide: Though now it is packaged in kernel 3.x |
| 05:09.28 | Hydroxide | luke3321: yeah, was going to ask if the issue still existed in wheezy. glad it doesn't |
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| 05:09.30 | reportings | nsadmin: /media/C119-something/ |
| 05:09.34 | reportings | oh god, what have I done? |
| 05:09.43 | reportings | I accidentally decompressed it into ~/ |
| 05:09.44 | reportings | hahaha |
| 05:09.51 | Hydroxide | reportings: ok, so just move the debs over |
| 05:09.59 | nsadmin | ok, try this... |
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| 05:10.02 | Hydroxide | reportings: something like mv ~/firmware*.deb /media/C119-something |
| 05:10.11 | Hydroxide | reportings: then eject the usb stick safely using your GUI |
| 05:10.14 | grothendieck | anybody know if photorec can find a .key file? I installed debian over ubuntu and forgot to backup a directory with an android app key and want to recover it. testdisk won't work because my current ext3 partition is the same size as my previous ext4 partition. |
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| 05:10.18 | reportings | done and done |
| 05:10.18 | Hydroxide | reportings: then when it's done, remove the stick |
| 05:10.35 | reportings | why remove it? |
| 05:10.36 | luke3321 | Hydroxide: I would done something about it long ago if the problem still was there. call it the duty of a DM lol |
| 05:10.37 | nsadmin | tar xfz firmware*.tar.gz -C /media/C119-something/ |
| 05:10.39 | Hydroxide | reportings: oh, same machine? no need |
| 05:10.41 | grothendieck | I haven't written much data to the drive so it isn't very likely overwritten |
| 05:10.45 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: he extracted them already |
| 05:10.50 | reportings | alrighty, done and done |
| 05:10.55 | reportings | rebooting to the dvd |
| 05:10.56 | nsadmin | into his home dir :P |
| 05:10.57 | Hydroxide | reportings: cool |
| 05:11.05 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: you're really missing a lot of the lines I type... :) |
| 05:11.07 | nsadmin | oh, he did it already? |
| 05:11.12 | reportings | nsadmin: yes, I shall remember that -C option from now on |
| 05:11.17 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: I helped him move it from his homedir to the disk |
| 05:11.36 | nsadmin | yes, because I'm trying to pay attention to him and things are moving too fast |
| 05:11.47 | nsadmin | ohok |
| 05:11.48 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: no worries |
| 05:11.55 | grothendieck | reportings: NOW CHROOT AND COMPILE THE KERNEL!! |
| 05:12.01 | Hydroxide | :D |
| 05:12.05 | reportings | god no |
| 05:12.17 | Hydroxide | don't forget -funroll-loops |
| 05:12.24 | reportings | ok, so I'm back at the install menu |
| 05:12.37 | nsadmin | chrooty tooty fresh n frooty? |
| 05:12.39 | cantido | -O0 FTW! |
| 05:12.45 | reportings | Hydroxide: nsadmin: choose graphical install, install, advanced options? |
| 05:12.47 | Dulak | it's like ricer linux all over again |
| 05:12.49 | Hydroxide | reportings: just normal |
| 05:12.54 | Hydroxide | reportings: or normal graphical if you want |
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| 05:13.08 | reportings | graphical it is! |
| 05:13.11 | luke3321 | install from the CL? challenge accepted |
| 05:13.12 | nsadmin | reportings, do you want to wipe the prev install? |
| 05:13.20 | reportings | nsadmin: I will indeed |
| 05:13.48 | nsadmin | ok, you'll have to make sure to set the format flag on the already existing partitions |
| 05:13.49 | reportings | nsadmin: I'll just do that with the partitioner, yeah? |
| 05:13.55 | reportings | yarp |
| 05:13.57 | nsadmin | yep |
| 05:13.58 | Hydroxide | reportings: it's set up by default to notice if you've provided firmware, and in the event your hardware needs it, it'll let you use it with one press of enter (or some graphical equivalent), and will add contrib and non-free to sources.list if required for getting updates |
| 05:14.14 | reportings | Hydroxide: how can I tell that it is doing this? |
| 05:14.19 | Hydroxide | reportings, nsadmin: or just tell it to use the entire disk in one of the automatic partitioning modes. that works too for wiping the old install |
| 05:14.23 | Hydroxide | reportings: it'll mention it to you |
| 05:14.24 | reportings | Hydroxide: because it is now at the "Configure the network" screen |
| 05:14.31 | Hydroxide | reportings: see if it works |
| 05:14.41 | reportings | hooray! |
| 05:14.42 | reportings | :P |
| 05:14.51 | Hydroxide | reportings: it works? |
| 05:14.57 | reportings | yeah |
| 05:15.02 | reportings | another question.. |
| 05:15.16 | cantido | reportings: you only get one a day |
| 05:15.17 | reportings | for the user accounts you are supposed to create one that has root access or something |
| 05:15.18 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, I'd say he could do what he proposed in the earlier install |
| 05:15.21 | reportings | what is the deal with that? |
| 05:15.25 | reportings | cantido: hahaha |
| 05:15.39 | Hydroxide | reportings: by default debian uses a normal unprivileged user account plus a root account with a root password |
| 05:15.49 | cantido | reportings: root has root access, if you want to give root privs to normal users setup sudo |
| 05:15.50 | Hydroxide | reportings: it's possible to change that by giving an option to the installer, or just change your config post-install |
| 05:15.50 | reportings | I noticed that when I log into debian later the login uses that root user name thing |
| 05:16.13 | nsadmin | Dinkum was installing a few hours ago... got it installed and filled his /home which is an lv... anyone help him add more space? |
| 05:16.19 | reportings | e.g. I name my user account jon and that account jonroot and it displays that name at login instead |
| 05:16.35 | Hydroxide | reportings: the normal way in debian is to log in as the non-root user you create during install, and use su (or sudo if you install + configure it) for root purposes |
| 05:16.54 | Hydroxide | reportings: certain graphical things will elevate privileges via PolicyKit and so ask for your non-root account password instead |
| 05:17.00 | reportings | Hydroxide: ok, so what is the point of that "jonroot" account? |
| 05:17.04 | Dulak | reportings: using the root account for non-admin stuff in general is a bad bad idea. |
| 05:17.04 | reportings | ohhh |
| 05:17.16 | reportings | Dulak: yes, I do not deny this |
| 05:17.27 | Hydroxide | reportings: jonroot is for su for administrative purposes or logging in as root in a rare situation where you need to |
| 05:17.27 | reportings | but why a separate account from root? |
| 05:17.43 | Hydroxide | reportings: oh |
| 05:17.52 | cantido | has never seen this ${USER}root thing |
| 05:17.55 | Hydroxide | reportings: you shouldn't be creating a separate account from root in the installer |
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| 05:18.03 | nsadmin | because root has full destory privs and those are being held back to normal users |
| 05:18.10 | Hydroxide | reportings: with admin privs |
| 05:18.17 | Hydroxide | reportings: there are two accounts you create during the installer |
| 05:18.26 | Hydroxide | reportings: one of them is a normal unprivileged non-administrative account |
| 05:18.34 | Hydroxide | reportings: and one of them is root, with the username root |
| 05:18.40 | Hydroxide | reportings: plain and simple |
| 05:18.43 | reportings | I'm getting three then |
| 05:18.46 | reportings | I set the password for root |
| 05:18.54 | nsadmin | and, said not-privd acct is what you should use mostly |
| 05:18.56 | reportings | then I have to set up a second account for... |
| 05:18.56 | Hydroxide | reportings: one of the questions it asks is for the human / display name of the non-root account |
| 05:19.01 | Hydroxide | reportings: maybe that's the confusing bit? |
| 05:19.05 | reportings | the "a user account will be created for you to use instead of the root account for non-administrative activities" |
| 05:19.15 | cantido | reportings: when you login as jon with your normal password you see jonroot@.. as the shell prompt? |
| 05:19.21 | nsadmin | well do what you want... that's the recommendation |
| 05:19.21 | reportings | ah, maybe that is it |
| 05:19.51 | reportings | cantido: yes, maybe I am just a colossal idiot |
| 05:19.52 | reportings | haha |
| 05:19.57 | Hydroxide | reportings: for example, if your name is Jon Smith, one of the answers to the question will be "Jon Smith" and another might be "jon" as your username. plus the root password too. |
| 05:20.00 | reportings | yeaaahhh |
| 05:20.10 | reportings | sorry about that one |
| 05:20.13 | Hydroxide | np |
| 05:20.37 | cantido | still doesn't get the ${USER}root thing heh |
| 05:20.58 | reportings | cantido: that's what I used as the full name of my account, haha. I was very confused |
| 05:21.05 | cantido | reportings: aaaah |
| 05:21.10 | Dulak | cantido: He put usernameroot as the real name on the user account |
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| 05:21.16 | nsadmin | cantido, yeah, meetoo |
| 05:21.35 | cantido | you made me confused.. I thought it was some new feature that I don't have because I haven't installed in years |
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| 05:22.21 | reportings | partitioning now, awesome. :) |
| 05:22.25 | reportings | thank you guys! |
| 05:22.28 | Hydroxide | \o/ |
| 05:22.33 | reportings | I will doubtless have more questions later |
| 05:22.44 | reportings | probably concerning wireless stuff at some later point |
| 05:22.52 | cantido | passes reportings the donation bowl |
| 05:22.56 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 05:23.09 | reportings | dribbles some blood in the bowl |
| 05:23.14 | reportings | there's my tithings! |
| 05:23.27 | nsadmin | it's a bowl and not a cup so you can donate more |
| 05:23.36 | reportings | but.. I need my blood! |
| 05:23.52 | cantido | makes a mental note that atheros chipsets seem to have a valid interface that doesnt work without firmware |
| 05:23.54 | Hydroxide | (might as well mention that debian does accept donations, but totally not required...virtual blood works well enough) |
| 05:24.03 | Hydroxide | cantido: not all atheros chipsets, either |
| 05:24.09 | Hydroxide | cantido: but, yeah, stuff like this exists |
| 05:24.18 | cantido | Hydroxide: I think that's a bit shit really, the module should just not load |
| 05:24.32 | nsadmin | if you donate virtual blood, we will exchange for virtual... |
| 05:24.38 | nsadmin | !beer |
| 05:24.38 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 05:24.49 | Hydroxide | cantido: the module might also work for other chipsets which don't need firmware |
| 05:24.56 | nsadmin | !beer reportings |
| 05:24.56 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for reportings |
| 05:25.13 | Hydroxide | cantido: in which case it would make sense - linux driver modules don't generally fail to load simply because you don't have the hardware |
| 05:25.24 | Hydroxide | cantido: at least if you try to load them |
| 05:25.31 | nsadmin | did you get past the net stuff? |
| 05:25.36 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: he did |
| 05:25.46 | nsadmin | and his net configured? |
| 05:25.51 | cantido | Hydroxide: mmm lots of modules will complain no such device if you don't have the hardware |
| 05:26.21 | cantido | it should at least wait to check it has everything it needs before registering an interface with the kernel |
| 05:26.23 | grothendieck | question (again): I have a 1TB hard drive that used to have /home as ext4 ubuntu partiton, now /home is ext3 debian partition -- testdisk sees my ext4 partition but can't recover it because there isn't enough space on the disk (since the partition size I want to recover == partiton size I am running testdisk from) |
| 05:26.23 | Hydroxide | cantido: guess it depends on the type of hardware module |
| 05:26.23 | reportings | nsadmin: indeed it is configured. I'm currently waiting for the hard drive to be partitioned |
| 05:26.28 | grothendieck | wat do? |
| 05:26.34 | Hydroxide | cantido: yes, that much I 100% agree with |
| 05:27.02 | grothendieck | other than get a 2TB hard drive and run testdisk from that one... |
| 05:27.22 | nsadmin | well kernel modules should at least be documented well :) anything else is icing |
| 05:28.02 | cantido | nsadmin: if the modules don't complain d-i needs to |
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| 05:28.18 | cantido | nsadmin: i.e. have a list of pci-ids that must have firmware |
| 05:28.32 | nsadmin | grothendieck, can you reduce the partition size? or is it full? |
| 05:28.44 | Hydroxide | cantido: makes sense to fix it upstream tbh |
| 05:29.20 | Hydroxide | cantido: if that happens too soon to get it the whole kernel version into a stable release, then once the relevant maintainer accepts the fix, maybe debian can cherry-pick it into its tree |
| 05:29.21 | reportings | can anyone recommend a good and fast mirrow? |
| 05:29.24 | cantido | Hydroxide: yep, blacklists etc suck |
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| 05:29.39 | Hydroxide | reportings: depends on where you are |
| 05:29.47 | reportings | midwest of the US (ohio) |
| 05:29.48 | nsadmin | cross between a mirror and a sparrow? |
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| 05:30.10 | nsadmin | probably http.us.debian.org will be fine |
| 05:30.11 | cantido | nsadmin: sparrow with a set of harddisks on its back |
| 05:30.18 | Hydroxide | reportings: you can use ftp.us.debian.org or one of the .edu or .gov sites in ohio from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:30.23 | Hydroxide | or http.us.debian.org, yes |
| 05:30.29 | grothendieck | nsadmin: Not at all full. |
| 05:30.58 | grothendieck | 686GB free on /dev/sda6 which is where I hope that file lives |
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| 05:31.24 | Hydroxide | reportings: (most of those are already pre-loaded as options in the installer, but you can enter one manually if you prefer) |
| 05:31.25 | nsadmin | you mean something was deleted that you want back? |
| 05:31.47 | reportings | Hydroxide: just stuck with normal ftp.us.debian.org :) |
| 05:32.00 | grothendieck | yes, I have an android app that I can't update without the private key I used to sign it and (stupid stupid stupidly) did not realize that file wasn't backed up |
| 05:32.01 | reportings | hopefully this gets me nice, up to date software |
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| 05:32.11 | reportings | esp. for wpasupplicant |
| 05:32.18 | grothendieck | this was on an ext4 partition that I overwrote when I switched from ubuntu to debian |
| 05:32.27 | nsadmin | reportings, we'll see once it's installed |
| 05:32.47 | cantido | grothendieck: how many apps do you have signed with that key? |
| 05:32.59 | grothendieck | Just one. |
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| 05:33.33 | cantido | mmm well, if worst comes to worst upload the app with a new key and put a message in the description to use the new one |
| 05:33.35 | grothendieck | It might not be worth it but I would really like to be able to make an update instead of require everyone using it to download a new app. |
| 05:33.50 | nsadmin | grothendieck, hmm. it might be possible to recover that, but don't count on it |
| 05:34.05 | nsadmin | you have it somewhere else? |
| 05:34.30 | grothendieck | nsadmin: I think it is possible to recover it since I have 686/1000 GB free on my disk |
| 05:34.45 | grothendieck | Sadly, no. I have checked every flash drive and DVD backup I made. |
| 05:35.03 | grothendieck | Picked the wrong time (between backups) to switch to debian |
| 05:35.29 | nsadmin | grothendieck, sorry to hear that... Hope it doesn't leave a bad taste |
| 05:35.50 | grothendieck | It was 100% my fault |
| 05:35.56 | cantido | nsadmin: the google page about the key signing stuff does tell you to back it up because if you lose it you're screwed.. |
| 05:36.01 | grothendieck | and the awful unity thing ubuntu made |
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| 05:36.18 | grothendieck | cantido: yes but nobody reads those things :p |
| 05:36.28 | nsadmin | some people like unity... so far I have not seen it |
| 05:36.40 | grothendieck | I found it annoying and intrusive |
| 05:36.42 | cantido | grothendieck: my key is backed up on a LUKS'd usb drive :) |
| 05:36.58 | cantido | doesnt want to tell 3000 users to download a new copy of his app |
| 05:37.35 | grothendieck | good call |
| 05:38.15 | grothendieck | cantido: what app did you write? |
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| 05:39.07 | nsadmin | cantido, make another luksd usb stick, and put it in a safe deposit box |
| 05:39.26 | grothendieck | oh something else I wanted to ask -- can somebody explain what LVM is to me? I'm not quite sure I get it. |
| 05:39.56 | nsadmin | grothendieck, it's a way of having storage for filesystems in much more flexible ways |
| 05:40.24 | nsadmin | easy to add space for filesystems |
| 05:40.35 | grothendieck | hm |
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| 05:40.47 | grothendieck | that sounds nice, is there a drawback to using it? |
| 05:40.53 | cantido | nsadmin: I have it backed up in the cloud too :) |
| 05:41.18 | Dulak | grothendieck: most filesystems only grow, they don't shrink so well usually |
| 05:41.19 | nsadmin | cantido, the way that came out doesn't give me much confidence :) |
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| 05:41.38 | nsadmin | Dulak, right, xfs doesn't shrink |
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| 05:42.09 | nsadmin | ext3 does, ext4? |
| 05:43.32 | nsadmin | grothendieck, one thing it can do is have filesystems across physical drives, and that's one thing I don't recommend... if you will have multiple drives, put them in a real hardware raid array then put lvm on top of htat |
| 05:43.51 | Dulak | you can't non-destructively shrink any ext FS afaik |
| 05:44.21 | nsadmin | what would it destroy? |
| 05:44.26 | grothendieck | inodes? |
| 05:44.41 | nsadmin | ones in use? |
| 05:44.47 | Dulak | you have to reformat on the shrunk partition, you can't actually shrink the FS, just the partition |
| 05:45.05 | Dulak | so you shrink the partition, then format it again. |
| 05:45.12 | nsadmin | well anyway I've been growing only so far |
| 05:45.25 | Dulak | yeah growing is non-destructive |
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| 05:45.37 | Dulak | You can just keep adding to it until you run out of inodes |
| 05:45.51 | grothendieck | cool |
| 05:45.53 | Dulak | But shrinking you have to reformat |
| 05:46.31 | nsadmin | so, let me get this clear... say you have 10 g filesystem and you grow it to 20g... you don't get more free inodes? |
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| 05:47.37 | Dulak | You get more inodes yes, but the block size is the same |
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| 05:48.10 | nsadmin | oic, the block size remains the same, and maybe you run out of blocks |
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| 05:48.26 | Dulak | An inode is a block. |
| 05:48.53 | Dulak | Block size describes the smallest size an inode can be |
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| 05:49.21 | nsadmin | anyway,, I'm off to see purpler pastures... |
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| 05:49.42 | Dulak | Anyways I said it badly using inodes, you can grow the fs non-destructively but cannot shrink it that way. |
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| 05:50.48 | nsadmin | reportings, hows your install going |
| 05:51.13 | reportings | nsadmin: It has installed, putting some basics on now (chrome, etc_ |
| 05:51.19 | reportings | trying to make sure everything is going to work |
| 05:51.39 | nsadmin | cool... and, when it boots does the net come up properly? |
| 05:52.03 | reportings | ethernet, yes. |
| 05:52.31 | reportings | wireless will at least connect now, but it has disconnected and prompted me for a password once now. |
| 05:52.42 | nsadmin | ok, sounds like the next push is your wireless |
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| 05:53.03 | nsadmin | hmm, that's better than nothing :) |
| 05:53.09 | reportings | yeah |
| 05:53.20 | nsadmin | guess you'll be tethered a bit longer |
| 05:53.31 | reportings | hmmm |
| 05:53.36 | reportings | so.. I installed chrome |
| 05:53.43 | reportings | and it didn't get put in any menu |
| 05:53.49 | reportings | I can run it via terminal |
| 05:54.00 | nsadmin | try update-menus as root |
| 05:54.30 | reportings | nope |
| 05:54.57 | nsadmin | hmm. are you running kde? |
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| 05:55.12 | nsadmin | or gnome? neither? |
| 05:56.10 | nsadmin | I'd say that things aren't horrible, and you'll find a way to get that part going as well as the wireless |
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| 05:56.40 | nsadmin | oh, dokg -s firmware-nonfree | grep status |
| 05:56.41 | reportings | gnome |
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| 05:57.10 | nsadmin | wait, that won't do it unless you put Status |
| 05:57.19 | nsadmin | or grep -i |
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| 05:57.45 | reportings | nsadmin: "Package `firmware-nonfree` is not installed..." |
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| 05:58.04 | nsadmin | let's see, do I have the packagename right |
| 05:58.04 | z3x334u | is there a debian install iso that already has Lxde? |
| 05:58.15 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 05:58.41 | nsadmin | if you install the minimal and get your net going early in the install, you can download whatever |
| 05:58.47 | z3x334u | how do i install lxde after installing debian, i'm a noob |
| 05:59.03 | nsadmin | after installing, that will be easy |
| 05:59.32 | z3x334u | is there a desktop environment after i install debian? |
| 05:59.34 | nsadmin | -maybe- during install, that would be harder if there's no tack for it |
| 05:59.44 | nsadmin | not necessarily |
| 05:59.46 | Hydroxide | firmware-nonfree isn't a package name |
| 05:59.53 | Hydroxide | dpkg -l 'firmware-*' |
| 05:59.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching 'firmware-*' |
| 06:00.02 | Hydroxide | (but not the bot) |
| 06:00.32 | nsadmin | , versions firmware* |
| 06:00.33 | judd | No package named 'firmware*' was found in i386. |
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| 06:01.32 | z3x334u | nsadmin, lxde website has an iso prepackaged with debian 6.0.3 is that fine? i think lxde.org is down tho |
| 06:01.34 | reportings | and there goes the wireless... |
| 06:01.47 | Dulak | , firmware-linux-free |
| 06:01.55 | Dulak | , versions firmware-linux-free |
| 06:01.57 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-free on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1; squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze: 2.6.32-41; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-41squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-43; sid: 3; wheezy: 3 |
| 06:01.58 | reportings | hmm, maybe if I upgrade wpasupplicant to sid version |
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| 06:02.34 | z3x334u | i want to install debian 6.0.4 tho |
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| 06:02.52 | nsadmin | , versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:02.53 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.35; wheezy/non-free: 0.35 |
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| 06:03.17 | Dulak | There is a backport for that, nifty |
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| 06:03.49 | hanibana | I've two valid IP addresses: IP1 and IP2. Is it possible to forward connections from IP1:port1 to IP2:port2 with a simple iptables DNAT rule? |
| 06:03.58 | raptor67682 | good morning world |
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| 06:04.10 | nsadmin | z3x334u, you can easily upgrade a 6.0.3 once installed |
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| 06:04.33 | beekow | hi all |
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| 06:05.18 | z3x334u | i don't know linux commands tho, right now i am using Mint Ubuntu Lxde version |
| 06:06.32 | Dulak | I switched to Linux Mint Debian edition on my netbook, it's interesting. |
| 06:07.00 | z3x334u | i prefer lxde tho |
| 06:07.55 | reportings | how bad of an idea would it be to replace my /etc/sources with testing stuff if I just installed stable? |
| 06:08.28 | kevlarman | reportings: that's the generally recommended way to install testing |
| 06:08.32 | luke3321 | reportings: you could do that to run a full upgrade |
| 06:08.39 | kevlarman | reportings: just don't mix stable and testing |
| 06:08.45 | kevlarman | one or the other |
| 06:08.51 | reportings | kevlarman: so if I do it then I have to switch all of my sources? |
| 06:09.01 | reportings | how unstable is testing? Good enough for day to day use? |
| 06:09.08 | Dulak | z3x334u: lxde is just a package on almost all linux distros, you can run lxde on any of them really. |
| 06:09.29 | Dulak | reportings: It makes you want to never update once you get a working setup |
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| 06:09.35 | luke3321 | reportings: Im on testing right now. Stable enough that I can use it for work |
| 06:09.43 | Dulak | reportings: that's why I stopped using testing and sid both. |
| 06:09.53 | z3x334u | so should i install Mint Debian, and install lxde on top? is it difficult to do? |
| 06:10.02 | luke3321 | Really? You all have had issues with testing? |
| 06:10.28 | Dulak | z3x334u: I'm just saying any linux should have lxde available as a package to install. You should install the one you like, not the one I like. |
| 06:11.09 | Dulak | luke3321: For the entire 3 years I ran testing on my workstation, every upgrade was like pulling teeth for me. I got sick of dreading having to do updates. |
| 06:11.56 | luke3321 | Dulak: Interesting... I run updates daily and almost never see issues... |
| 06:12.33 | reportings | how difficult is it to downgrade once you have updated? |
| 06:12.46 | luke3321 | you cant |
| 06:12.50 | Dulak | reportings: Like putting toothpaste back in the tube. |
| 06:12.51 | reportings | or could you just switch the sources back and wait a few months for updates to get pushed to stable |
| 06:12.54 | luke3321 | AKAIK |
| 06:13.39 | Dulak | reportings: that doesn't work so well unless you cross a stable release in that few months. |
| 06:13.48 | reportings | ah |
| 06:14.22 | z3x334u | dulak does mint debian use kde? and how does it run on your netbook? |
| 06:15.02 | luke3321 | Dulak: If you don't mind my asking, what issues where you having? |
| 06:15.05 | Dulak | z3x334u: it's gnome-shell by default but mate, cinnamon, kde, and lxde all available as packages |
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| 06:16.43 | Dulak | luke3321: The main thing was the configs. I have a lot of customization and every update I had to meld my configs to be sure I didn't miss changes. The second biggest issue was the kernel. Tons of fits with things not working from version to version, or regressions, like a kernel upgrade causing my battery to discharge almost 2x as fast. |
| 06:17.03 | Dulak | luke3321: In july of last year I gave up and moved to stable with backports. |
| 06:17.40 | luke3321 | Dulak: Ah. I cherry pick my kernels to avoid that BS |
| 06:18.32 | Dulak | luke3321: it was easy enough to go back on that, it just got tedious spending all the time required compared to 'it just works' in stable. |
| 06:19.14 | Dulak | I only need a few things from backports, and a couple things like node I just cut my own packages to keep on the bleeding edge anyways. |
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| 06:20.14 | reportings | hmmm, strange |
| 06:20.34 | luke3321 | Dulak: Ah. Well, if it works for you, that's all that really matters, right? :P |
| 06:20.48 | reportings | I am getting "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" |
| 06:21.07 | reportings | does that mean I have to go through the update list and check off every package so they all get installed or something? |
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| 06:21.34 | Dulak | luke3321: yeah. I'm on mint debian on my netbook and they do a rolling distro based on testing, so it insulates me from the worst of it. |
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| 06:22.41 | luke3321 | Dulak: I've heard good things about mint. I just tried Debian first and really loved it. Been with it ever since |
| 06:23.11 | fredl | hello. I seem to be experiencing problems connecting to libvirtd on my KVM server |
| 06:23.25 | Dulak | It's debian testing, with the mint extras. I am liking it, and it's just debian with icing. |
| 06:24.03 | luke3321 | Mmmmmm Icing..... I'll have to try it sometime |
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| 06:30.57 | GTRsdk | Okay so I've installed Iceweasel and I also have gnash installed |
| 06:31.11 | GTRsdk | I can't see any flash content. Instead, it is only white |
| 06:31.35 | GTRsdk | oh and by the way... I'm using PowerPC |
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| 06:34.03 | educr0w | hello, is possible to have some testing/unstable packages in stable version? |
| 06:34.25 | Arafangion` | educr0w: Possible? Yes. Sensible? No. |
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| 06:38.22 | bitHipy | is Gnome desktop currently working on wheezy? I lost it after doing "aptitude dist-upgrade" from a clean squeeze install -- followed by an "aptitude install emacs" |
| 06:38.59 | bitHipy | after rebooting, there was no X11 login. I had to login to a text prompt, and type 'startx' |
| 06:39.30 | kevlarman | bitHipy: did you look at the list of packages removed/installed? |
| 06:39.39 | bitHipy | and then the desktop that appeared was a bit minimal, not the usual icons |
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| 06:39.51 | educr0w | Arafangion`: for example stable version has thunar 1.0 an there is thunar up to 1.3 with some improvements, it doesn't make sense to have a newer version of some packages (not all) ? |
| 06:39.52 | bitHipy | kevlarman: yes, there was a /lot/ of changes |
| 06:40.11 | kevlarman | bitHipy: did gnome get removed? |
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| 06:41.05 | bitHipy | kevlarman: not sure. I did an 'aptitude install gnome' after I lost X11 |
| 06:41.17 | Arafangion` | educr0w: You want a backport, if one exists. You may consider doing a simple sid backport, but that may be rather involved. |
| 06:41.29 | bitHipy | kevlarman: in the aptitude output, I noticed errors about missing icons |
| 06:42.01 | bitHipy | (when installing emacs)... those were gnome icons that were reported missing |
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| 06:43.05 | raptor67682 | CLI Internet browser: sthg better than ELINKS? |
| 06:43.14 | raptor67682 | (what you favor) |
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| 06:43.22 | blubberdiblub | raptor67682, w3m for instance |
| 06:43.32 | bitHipy | raptor67682: elinks is the only one that can handle javascript afaik |
| 06:43.36 | Arafangion` | raptor67682: lynx is sometimes better, as is links2. |
| 06:43.48 | Arafangion` | bitHipy: Indeed, but there are a lot of forks. |
| 06:45.28 | educr0w | Arafangion`: I didn't get any result searchin in backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ that is why I asked if is possible to install some packages only |
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| 06:46.38 | Arafangion` | educr0w: So, then, you want to investigate backporting it yourself. |
| 06:46.43 | bitHipy | is there a better alternative to Gnome to try that is perhaps more developed in Wheezy? |
| 06:46.44 | raptor67682 | bitHipy: Javascript is very important indeed. I though that w3m could too |
| 06:46.47 | Arafangion` | !tell educr0w about ssb |
| 06:47.00 | raptor67682 | bitHipy: Openbox with a lot of scripts in there :) |
| 06:47.12 | raptor67682 | bitHipy: and tint2 |
| 06:47.18 | raptor67682 | bitHipy: it is fast |
| 06:47.38 | bitHipy | raptor67682: ty, will check it out |
| 06:47.52 | educr0w | Arafangion`: thank you, I'll investigate about that :) |
| 06:48.30 | Arafangion` | educr0w: Whatever you do, don't directly upgrade to sid. |
| 06:48.52 | Arafangion` | educr0w: Because unlike testing, which will break and which you are expected to know how to deal with... |
| 06:48.57 | raptor67682 | bitHipy: openbox is for geeks, it has nothing in there such as icons, ... you have to work on it. Nothg faster than openbox !! |
| 06:49.08 | Arafangion` | educr0w: Sid never becomes stable. Testing will eventually become stable, but Sid is always Sid. |
| 06:49.10 | raptor67682 | (desktop) |
| 06:49.34 | bitHipy | raptor67682: ok, i'll try openbox. does it work well in wheezy? |
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| 06:49.40 | raptor67682 | Arafangion`: when is the next testing to become stable? |
| 06:50.04 | Arafangion` | raptor67682: I don't know - I think most people here would say: "When it's ready"? |
| 06:50.08 | raptor67682 | bitHipy: openbox is amazing well coded. nothg better really. they are excellent coders. They have high policy |
| 06:50.21 | Arafangion` | raptor67682: You don't want to have it before then, do you? ;) |
| 06:50.23 | raptor67682 | Arafangion`: thank you |
| 06:50.29 | educr0w | Arafangion`: oh no, I just want some apps only |
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| 06:51.21 | innociv | http://tnypic.net/b4356.jpg I know it's not malware on my machine using on the cpu because it only happens with network up. Some packet is making lighttpd or php go crazy |
| 06:51.47 | bitHipy | raptor67682: ok, but if it's not been seen working well in wheezy (unstable), then it's a gamble |
| 06:52.31 | Diopter | raptor67682: I'm not sure I agree that Openbox is for geeks. Tiling WMs that disagree with the invention of the mouse are for geeks, like Xmonad :P |
| 06:52.33 | innociv | going to try disabling php. If that fails rebuild lighttpd from source. If that fails i guess I have to learn nginx :( |
| 06:52.40 | Diopter | innociv: Uhm, question |
| 06:52.48 | Diopter | innociv: Why are you using lighty with php? |
| 06:52.52 | innociv | Why not? |
| 06:52.56 | innociv | I used fastcgi for php |
| 06:53.25 | Diopter | innociv: Because lighty blows hardcore chunks when gatewaying to PHP. Even moreso if you're not using php-fpm |
| 06:53.47 | innociv | Really? I got pretty massive performance increases over a basic apache+mod_php configuration |
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| 06:54.21 | Diopter | innociv: Then that just means you were doing apache wrong. But that's beside the point. |
| 06:54.27 | bitHipy | Diopter: does Xmonad not make use of the mouse at all? or does it simply make the keyboard work for more things? |
| 06:54.31 | Diopter | innociv: If you're going to use PHP, FPM is what you want. |
| 06:54.31 | luke3321 | Just write your own http server that ignores the contents of its request and always returns hello world text |
| 06:54.34 | innociv | Oh I know apache can be tuned to use a lot less resources. |
| 06:54.35 | luke3321 | :D |
| 06:54.41 | GTRsdk | okay gnash has an update available, so I'm updating... to see if that helps :) |
| 06:54.56 | Diopter | innociv: If you'd like to run nginx and php, it's fairly simple to combine the two on Debian, with php5-fpm. |
| 06:55.29 | innociv | yeah i will probably end up doing this if the problem turns out to be lighttpd and not php |
| 06:55.55 | Diopter | innociv: It almost certainly is. lighty just fails at managing a lot of php FCGI requests, particularly if they keep the sockets open a long time |
| 06:56.18 | Diopter | innociv: They used to have an entry on their FAQ about it, too. Let's see if it's still there. |
| 06:56.49 | innociv | diopter well it's an attack doing it, not normal usage.. |
| 06:56.57 | Arafangion` | innociv: iirc, php isn't the primary reason for lighty, it provides fcgi + php as a workaround for when you just happen to want to use it. |
| 06:57.07 | innociv | But if lighttpd is vulnerable to attacks, good reason to drop it |
| 06:57.20 | Diopter | innociv: It's just... bad at handling real load. Legitimate or otherwise. |
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| 06:57.29 | Diopter | I'd run screaming from it. |
| 06:57.37 | innociv | Youtube and other big sites use lighttpd though, even though more use nginx |
| 06:58.13 | innociv | It's more a thing of when I chose lighttpd, nginx had super bad documentation that were half translated russian pages on a quarter of the documentation. |
| 06:58.18 | Diopter | ... I highly doubt that Youtube does their primary proxying and load-balancing through lighttpd. |
| 06:58.23 | innociv | And lighttpd config was super simple and nice. |
| 06:58.33 | Diopter | And nginx has substantially increased their documentation awesomeness recently. hehe |
| 06:58.55 | innociv | Hm I think you're right and they just use lighttpd for the streaming video part |
| 06:59.02 | innociv | diopter, i've noticed. |
| 06:59.22 | innociv | But I've been very very comfy with lighttpd so I need a great reason to change. |
| 07:00.13 | Diopter | innociv: http://highscalability.com/blog/2012/3/26/7-years-of-youtube-scalability-lessons-in-30-minutes.html |
| 07:00.27 | Diopter | Apparently in 2008/2009, YouTube were still trying to use lighty + apache |
| 07:00.51 | bitHipy | anyone using wheezy? with a gui? |
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| 07:01.14 | Diopter | Seems like now they're using lighty to do the CDN, for purely static content streaming. |
| 07:01.36 | Diopter | Which makes sense. Basically anything lightweight can do that well, so long as it's not multiplexing I/O like *gi |
| 07:02.38 | innociv | According to that they still use lighttpd for static content |
| 07:02.42 | innociv | yeah |
| 07:02.44 | Diopter | Indeed. |
| 07:03.08 | Diopter | Anyhow, at the very least you should move to php-fpm |
| 07:03.12 | Diopter | If not nginx + php-fpm |
| 07:03.22 | Diopter | Then at least you have an adaptive, robust PHP process manager |
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| 07:05.15 | innociv | Yeah if this doesn't happen with php off i'll try php-fpm. If it still happens i'll drop lighttpd |
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| 07:05.29 | innociv | Maybe i'll still switch to nginx later. Right now i just need to stop the attacks |
| 07:06.26 | Diopter | nods |
| 07:06.38 | Diopter | PHP off is a good first start. In fact, just don't turn it back on |
| 07:06.42 | Diopter | You won't miss it. |
| 07:06.44 | Diopter | ;P |
| 07:06.47 | innociv | I have my iptable rules in a file and I apply them with iptables-apply. How do I have them apply on reboot? If I google, there are just dozens and dozens of ways people say to set up iptables. |
| 07:06.55 | innociv | Lmao, diopter. |
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| 07:07.14 | innociv | I don't like any of the alternatives for dynamic content except for node.js |
| 07:07.29 | Diopter | innociv: The easiest production way that I use on Debian-based systems that's immune to package availability, upgrades, etc, is to do two things: |
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| 07:08.36 | Diopter | innociv: 1) iptables-save > /etc/network/iptables.rules 2) cat > /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables << EOF\n#!/bin/sh\niptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables.rules\nEOF\n; chmod +x /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 07:08.59 | reportings | ..... wheezy uses gnome-shell? |
| 07:08.59 | Diopter | innociv: I.e., store the output of iptables-save, and restore it when interfaces get brought up. |
| 07:09.14 | somiaj | innociv: depends, since it is a single command you can run it in /etc/rc.local (easiest), or you can set it up as an postup script to run when your interface gets brought up. Or you can write a custom /etc/init.d/ script and turn the firewall on/off as a service |
| 07:09.17 | Diopter | reportings: No. Wheezy's default GUI environment is Gnome, and *Gnome* uses gnome-shell. |
| 07:09.20 | innociv | Hm. Looks like the attack is still working with php down |
| 07:09.22 | Diopter | reportings: There is no other Gnome anymore. |
| 07:09.40 | reportings | Diopter: well, I better learn to use it then! haha |
| 07:09.54 | Diopter | reportings: Or you can go play with the fork of Gnome 2! |
| 07:10.07 | Diopter | reportings: Not sure if it's in Debian proper, but I think Mint uses it. |
| 07:10.24 | Diopter | innociv: Tricksy. Maybe switch to serving just a single static page? |
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| 07:11.08 | innociv | I only have one static page on my site. |
| 07:11.13 | innociv | All others are dynamic |
| 07:11.15 | Diopter | lol, well ok then |
| 07:11.48 | innociv | http://pastie.org/3747399 and these are basically my iptable rules ,except 10/sec with a 50 burst. |
| 07:11.58 | innociv | the ip in there is my own so I could test out the blocking |
| 07:12.13 | reportings | blegh. Fuzzy font! |
| 07:12.28 | innociv | .. if nginx doesn't fix this i'm going to.. I don't kno what |
| 07:12.39 | innociv | It's a low data attack. |
| 07:12.54 | innociv | And i'm using the amazon EC2 with the 5 processing units. |
| 07:13.08 | innociv | Er, or high cpu server I should say |
| 07:13.38 | Diopter | innociv: Are you getting hits on your -m recent -j DROPs? |
| 07:13.44 | Diopter | innociv: I noticed you took out the --rsource |
| 07:14.00 | innociv | No. |
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| 07:14.21 | Diopter | Oh, wait, it's the default. Nevermind! |
| 07:14.28 | Diopter | some iptables expert I am ;P |
| 07:14.34 | innociv | Yeah that may have been why i took it out. |
| 07:14.36 | Diopter | At least not at 2am, lulz |
| 07:14.46 | innociv | I'm terrible at them but learned a lot the past 2 days |
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| 07:15.06 | innociv | I was running into a hashlimit 65535 problem earlier |
| 07:15.13 | Diopter | Well I use {ip,eb,arp}tables for a living, but yeah |
| 07:15.24 | innociv | I believe that's why i'm getting legitimate traffic unserved while hashlimit is filtering out bad trafic. |
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| 07:15.37 | Diopter | mm |
| 07:15.57 | innociv | It'll filter out like 95% of traffic, cpu and memory all fine, but get hashlimit error flooding system log and legitimate traffic still isn't served. |
| 07:15.58 | pikaro | hi! syslog constantly tells me about a reference to a deleted inode on dm-0, which is getting on my nerves. I have no experience with LVMs, however (haven't got any set up), so I don't know how to get rid of this. can I just fsck the device? |
| 07:16.05 | Diopter | So, is your PHP custom? Or something common like wordpress? |
| 07:16.08 | innociv | but, that's not the issue at the moment. |
| 07:16.11 | innociv | completely custom |
| 07:16.18 | Diopter | Got lots of rewrites? |
| 07:16.23 | innociv | Rewrites? |
| 07:16.25 | Diopter | Or is it something simple we could cook up an nginx conf for |
| 07:16.29 | Diopter | Yeah, URL rewriting |
| 07:16.36 | innociv | Just one. |
| 07:17.27 | Diopter | Could try setting up nginx on a completely different port and -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8888 -j ACCEPT it |
| 07:17.40 | Diopter | Point it at the same root, see if it works |
| 07:17.44 | Diopter | Then swap it out if so |
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| 07:18.04 | innociv | No reason for that. I just shut off lighttpd |
| 07:18.09 | Diopter | Mm |
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| 07:19.15 | Diopter | Well, a good place to start with a basic layout for an nginx config using FCGI for php would be something like: http://wiki.nginx.org/WordPress |
| 07:19.24 | innociv | It was devouring cpu with a low network attack and php disabled. Clearly it was lighttpd's fault. |
| 07:19.33 | innociv | Though, I could have tried building lighttpd from source. |
| 07:20.02 | innociv | It could have been a debian/ubuntu package problem. There was an issue with lighttpd, someone said, that was fixed already before my version. |
| 07:20.10 | Diopter | innociv: You'd install php5-fpm, replace the server line in the 'upstream' block with "server unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock;" |
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| 07:20.43 | Diopter | innociv: The rest is pretty much as-is, with the exception of server_name and root, assuming your index file is index.php. |
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| 07:21.42 | Diopter | innociv: This config would go in /etc/nginx/sites-available/blah, then ln -s to that from sites-enabled, and delete the link for sites-enabled/default |
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| 07:21.56 | Diopter | innociv: Should get you off the ground rapidly |
| 07:22.11 | Diopter | innociv: Adding your rewrite is easy too, if you want to |
| 07:23.12 | innociv | Hm. |
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| 07:23.34 | innociv | am i using fastcgi_pass? |
| 07:23.38 | simonlnu | there's a nice script to do stuff like enable sites |
| 07:23.54 | Diopter | innociv: Yes. It points to the name of the "upstream" FCGI provider |
| 07:24.02 | simonlnu | yup |
| 07:24.04 | Diopter | innociv: In this case, it's named "php". Defined in the upstream block up top. |
| 07:24.16 | Diopter | innociv: Just make sure it only has a "server" line that points to the unix socket for php5-fpm |
| 07:24.36 | innociv | oh |
| 07:24.43 | innociv | In your example. I was looking at nginx default file |
| 07:25.02 | Diopter | Yes. My example. Toss the link to the default file |
| 07:25.13 | Diopter | It has lots of other stuff that we don't need to just get off the ground rapidly |
| 07:25.32 | simonlnu | has a working wp config |
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| 07:25.44 | innociv | I don't use wp. He was just using that for an example |
| 07:25.49 | Diopter | ^ |
| 07:25.52 | simonlnu | i don't use the upstream stuff though |
| 07:26.22 | Diopter | simonlnu: We're interested in using php-fpm in this case, and using an upstream block makes it easy to abstract it out of your site configs. |
| 07:26.23 | simonlnu | (i probably should, would simplify things for me ;) |
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| 07:26.38 | Diopter | simonlnu: Since you can put an upstream block into the main nginx config, and refer to it by name in site configs |
| 07:26.40 | Diopter | :P |
| 07:26.52 | Diopter | But that's getting ahead of ourselves for now! |
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| 07:28.17 | innociv | And I should just touch /etc/nginx/fastcgi.conf so that's there I guess? Is that extra conf to apply ontop/override of php.ini? |
| 07:28.43 | simonlnu | what's php.ini have to do with this? |
| 07:28.50 | innociv | php5-fpm.. |
| 07:29.04 | Diopter | Oh, pardon, that should be /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params. I forgot their example is for another distro |
| 07:29.07 | Diopter | Which names it differently |
| 07:29.29 | Diopter | So just include fastcgi_params; instead of fastcgi.conf; |
| 07:29.42 | innociv | Hm? Oh |
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| 07:29.58 | stronda | alguem ae? |
| 07:30.04 | innociv | Getting 403's on php though |
| 07:30.28 | simonlnu | iirc that wiki page is unusual in its usage of "fastcgi.conf" versus "fastcgi_params" |
| 07:30.46 | simonlnu | but i'm nitpicking... |
| 07:31.04 | simonlnu | check your nginx log |
| 07:31.31 | innociv | how do I find the php5-fpm.sock location to make sure? |
| 07:31.33 | Diopter | innociv: There's access and error, probably want error |
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| 07:31.41 | Diopter | innociv: ls -la /var/run/php* |
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| 07:33.11 | innociv | Looked there already. But i'm actually using ubuntu now. I can ask there. |
| 07:33.32 | Diopter | I don't mind if you keep asking here. I run Ubuntu server in prod, too |
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| 07:33.43 | Diopter | Though usually not with php-fpm, heh heh. |
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| 07:34.59 | Diopter | Looks like it doesn't use a unix socket by default on Ubuntu, just TCP |
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| 07:35.21 | vyadhaka1 | I am trying to connect to a windows share but unable to, it was working fine previously, I changed the network setup and now I cannot connect, I can ping the windows PC fine. Where do I start looking to find the fault |
| 07:35.30 | innociv | Yeah ubuntu and debian are similar. I used debian a long time and don't like ubuntu's channel as much |
| 07:35.37 | Diopter | innociv: So you need to edit /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/www.conf for the line that says listen =, and change it to listen = /var/run/php5-fpm.sock |
| 07:35.42 | Diopter | Or comment/copy |
| 07:35.49 | Diopter | Then restart the service |
| 07:36.45 | Diopter | vyadhaka1: What did you change about the network setup? |
| 07:36.52 | innociv | Looks like it's working but it's REALLY slow. This is on an ip only I know. |
| 07:37.00 | innociv | It seems that it's not delivering javascript rather |
| 07:37.11 | innociv | And it's hanging trying to serve them. |
| 07:38.16 | Diopter | innociv: That sounds like it's an issue with how we're telling it to find content. |
| 07:38.21 | Diopter | innociv: Or some rewriting. |
| 07:38.26 | Diopter | Try hitting the URL for the js directly |
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| 07:38.35 | scientes_ | like some slow compiled regexp |
| 07:38.40 | innociv | Now it's not delivering any content at all |
| 07:38.51 | Diopter | innociv: Aha. So that's probably your iptables rules |
| 07:38.58 | Diopter | Hence why I wanted it on a different port originally :P |
| 07:39.01 | scientes_ | what is the http server innociv ? |
| 07:39.15 | innociv | Hm.. I really doubt it but i'll see |
| 07:39.20 | innociv | nginx |
| 07:39.41 | scientes_ | has gotten working php+fastcgi with nginx |
| 07:39.47 | vyadhaka1 | Diopter: previously I had the internet connection sharing from the windows pc to the Debian laptop (both directly connected via LAN cable), now it's the other way around, I get internet connection fine and I can access samba shares fine from the Win 7 PC but I cannot access windows 7 shares from debian |
| 07:39.51 | scientes_ | using spawn-fcgi (extracted from lighttpd project) |
| 07:39.59 | scientes_ | and i did it with systemd |
| 07:40.36 | innociv | My current rules don't open 8081 do they? http://pastie.org/3747399 If i'm not mistaken, this should only have 22, 80, and 8080 open |
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| 07:41.01 | Diopter | innociv: correct. |
| 07:41.13 | Diopter | innociv: Just add an -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8081 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:41.18 | Diopter | Near the top. |
| 07:41.21 | Diopter | So maybe -I INPUT :P |
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| 07:42.41 | mah454 | How can download this link with wget : http://downloads.nessus.org/nessus3dl.php?file=Nessus-5.0.0-debian6_amd64.deb&licence_accept=yes&t=1542b864a6c4b03f190b380c2d77f544 |
| 07:42.56 | innociv | -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 8081 -j ACCEPT? Still hanging bad... |
| 07:43.20 | Diopter | Did you change nginx to listen on 8081? |
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| 07:43.27 | innociv | Yes |
| 07:43.47 | Diopter | netstat -lntp confirms? |
| 07:43.54 | innociv | hm... |
| 07:43.54 | Diopter | Just being thorough :P |
| 07:44.01 | innociv | but curl localhost:8081 comes up instantly :( |
| 07:44.23 | Diopter | Cool. So maybe your load-balancer or something else is having trouble |
| 07:44.24 | innociv | well i think curl localhost:8081 confirms to |
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| 07:44.30 | innociv | Not using loadbalancer anymore |
| 07:44.35 | Diopter | Interesting |
| 07:44.36 | innociv | connecting straight to the ip |
| 07:44.44 | Diopter | Want to PM me the IP so I can see how it behaves for me? |
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| 07:46.58 | mah454 | where can i download nessus debian package ? |
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| 07:49.40 | cvr | anyone having issues with the latest wheezy amd64 kernel? I've just updated my server and it hard locks the system when trying to boot that kernel |
| 07:50.18 | scientes_ | cvr, on what message? |
| 07:50.21 | scientes_ | does it lock |
| 07:50.31 | scientes_ | when you boot without the "quiet" option |
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| 07:53.24 | cvr | it doesnt show any of the normal booting dialogue just spews alot of stuff on the screen such as 0.531360] [<fffffffffffff81350170] ? gs_change+0x13/0x13 |
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| 07:55.03 | cvr | i'll upload a photo of the screen if that helps at all? |
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| 07:58.47 | scientes_ | well, you should report it |
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| 07:59.12 | scientes_ | although i understand its kinda a pain to type it down |
| 07:59.21 | scientes_ | if you had a serial console would be nice |
| 08:00.10 | scientes_ | cvr, the best thing you can do for developers is do a bisect of the kernel source |
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| 08:00.45 | scientes_ | cvr, to find the first bad commit |
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| 08:02.48 | cvr- | scientes_: sorry i missed your previous messages had a network issue as the server usually looks after dns/dhcp that part is fixed now |
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| 08:03.17 | scientes_ | cvr-, what i said was that if you have a serial console you could do easy copy/paste of the error |
| 08:03.26 | scientes_ | anything that causes the comp to not boot is clearly a bug |
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| 08:03.41 | scientes_ | are you using any non-free modules, like fglrx or nvidia, or broadcom? |
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| 08:04.20 | scientes_ | cvr-, if not, then the most helpful thing you can do is a git bisect to find the first bad commit |
| 08:05.04 | cvr- | ahhh, no not using any of those, but was in the process of upgrading so I could test out the non-free nvidia driver |
| 08:05.37 | scientes_ | as long as the problem happens before you load the nvidia driver, then your golden |
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| 08:06.11 | scientes_ | a git bisect takes some effort, but it is very useful in fixing error |
| 08:06.23 | scientes_ | cvr-, so 2.6.32 (squeeze) worked? |
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| 08:07.40 | cvr- | sorry this is wheezy, and it was booting the 3.1.0-1-amd64 fine and still does |
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| 08:10.32 | cvr- | scientes_: actually its 3.2.0-1-amd64 on that machine |
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| 08:12.18 | z3x334u | Happy Easter Weekend Friends :) |
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| 08:12.56 | cvr- | z3x334u: same to u |
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| 08:16.47 | blairsooley | Safe No problems found with quassel-irc.org Safe |
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| 08:16.59 | scientes__ | back |
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| 08:17.06 | scientes__ | sry cvr |
| 08:18.16 | cvr | scientes__: nps, yeh I was just saying this is a wheezy install running 3.2.0-1-amd64 that boots fine 3.2.0-2-amd64 locks up the system |
| 08:18.57 | scientes__ | that 2.6.32 boos fine |
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| 08:19.24 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.30 | factor | what does that mean. |
| 08:19.40 | factor | what is 3.4.14 |
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| 08:20.04 | factor | trying to run a precompiled program , but getting a libcstd++ error |
| 08:20.23 | scientes__ | factor, probably means your libstdc++ is too old |
| 08:20.40 | factor | can I install also , a newer version |
| 08:20.42 | factor | say from testing |
| 08:20.55 | factor | and have both |
| 08:21.10 | factor | using debian stable |
| 08:21.19 | scientes__ | the newer one would replace the old one |
| 08:21.28 | scientes__ | but that is a library that stays binary compatible |
| 08:21.33 | factor | is the newerone backward compat |
| 08:21.39 | factor | cool |
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| 08:22.43 | scientes__ | libstdc++6 (4.4.5-8) in stable |
| 08:22.48 | scientes__ | so doesn't make sense yet |
| 08:22.55 | scientes__ | oh wait, glibc |
| 08:22.59 | factor | ahh |
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| 08:23.14 | scientes__ | no, that is glibc |
| 08:23.16 | factor | yes this is the std++ |
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| 08:23.34 | scientes__ | i always get glibc and glib from gtk confused |
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| 08:24.03 | scientes__ | yeah maybe it needs an older version of std++ |
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| 08:24.34 | factor | how can I check what version of libcstd++I have |
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| 08:25.08 | scientes__ | apt-get install libstdc++6 |
| 08:25.10 | scientes__ | will tell you |
| 08:25.16 | scientes__ | wait it doesnt |
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| 08:25.54 | scientes__ | im not sure but even lenny has 4.3 |
| 08:26.16 | scientes__ | maybe you should ask in #gcc |
| 08:26.19 | scientes__ | cause i dont really know |
| 08:26.32 | scientes__ | that library should be totally backwards compatible |
| 08:27.22 | scientes__ | #glibc exists |
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| 08:29.40 | factor | shows I have 4.4.5-8 |
| 08:30.30 | factor | can I make a symlink to make it look like the old one |
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| 08:31.41 | scientes__ | its accesing it already at so.6 |
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| 08:32.29 | mr_claus | hi, what kind of languages are supported within debian-installer (netboot)? if i try to use "de" or "de_DE" or "de_DE.UTF-8" i get the log message "Preseeded locale ignored: unsupported language" |
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| 08:33.49 | scientes__ | mr_claus, the installer supports german |
| 08:34.18 | scientes__ | but on the error, idk |
| 08:34.31 | scientes__ | mr_claus, are you using the daily build or the stable d-i? |
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| 08:34.47 | mr_claus | scientes__: i use the stable 6.0.4 |
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| 08:35.36 | scientes__ | factor, try strings /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 | grep GLIBCXX |
| 08:36.08 | mr_claus | scientes__: i used "ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz", do i need more files or packages? |
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| 08:36.46 | factor | scientes__, thanks |
| 08:37.08 | __zero | does it make any sense that free -m and gnome-system-monitor report different free memory sizes? |
| 08:37.23 | factor | GLIBCXX_3.4.13 is my newest version |
| 08:37.32 | factor | looks like I need to grab the one from testing |
| 08:37.43 | factor | <scientes__> Thanks |
| 08:37.54 | scientes__ | __zero, yes, because there is before and after caches |
| 08:38.46 | scientes__ | __zero, look at /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches in man proc for more information |
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| 08:39.09 | __zero | scientes__, thank you |
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| 08:41.01 | luke3321 | scientes__: Nice tip! |
| 08:41.37 | __zero | scientes__, that fixed it, thank you, but how did it happen? |
| 08:42.06 | factor | how can I download only , so I can manually install libstdc++ |
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| 08:48.28 | factor | can I do a nodeps install, since it backwards compat |
| 08:48.35 | factor | of libstdc++ |
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| 09:41.41 | lukash_ | Also i need to refuse survey participating. Where i can find list of all preseed options? |
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| 09:48.39 | raptor67682 | do you know a way to simulate gmrun or grun wiht xterm so that temporally ESC key closes Xterm (under openbox)? |
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| 09:50.00 | Maccer | Is there a way to temporarily install a package from sid? (iceweasel in particular) |
| 09:50.27 | valdyn | !mdn |
| 09:50.27 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 09:50.32 | valdyn | Maccer: ^^ |
| 09:50.53 | Maccer | oic. |
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| 09:53.15 | Maccer | Thanks valdyn! |
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| 10:00.23 | lukash_ | I've figured out with survey, but i also need to disable mirror selection during installation. Any help? |
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| 10:02.05 | Iridos | you did find the wiki page? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 10:09.35 | TP_ | which Linux Live CD has built in support of Beryl 3D? |
| 10:09.48 | TP_ | I want to use it for demo purpose |
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| 10:15.13 | tbsaunde | is it possible to add devices to inactive md arrays? |
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| 10:17.30 | valdyn | tbsaunde: to what end? |
| 10:17.41 | valdyn | tbsaunde: why not activate it? |
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| 10:20.45 | tbsaunde | valdyn: it only has 1 of 3 drives in it currently |
| 10:21.02 | valdyn | tbsaunde: then its not a raid |
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| 10:22.18 | valdyn | tbsaunde: what type of raid is this supposed to be? |
| 10:22.55 | tbsaunde | valdyn: raid 5 |
| 10:23.20 | valdyn | tbsaunde: "adding" a disk to a raid is meant to leave the data intact |
| 10:24.14 | tbsaunde | valdyn: so, I have three disks that should have a raid 5 on them, I suspect the data is fine, but the meta data may be a little screy |
| 10:24.32 | tbsaunde | they weren't in use as a raid for a while, and have moved between machines |
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| 10:24.44 | tbsaunde | I would like to put them in a raid |
| 10:25.01 | tbsaunde | well, rather tell linux to treat them as a raid |
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| 10:27.42 | Maccer | www.pastebin.com/tw27EPxN -- Happens when I try to install build-essentials. |
| 10:28.07 | Maccer | I just need some gcc libraries and sources so I can compile c programs. |
| 10:28.34 | ZitZ | i have an xml file with <schemalist> tags inside of it, how do i install this into gconf or some other method? |
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| 10:32.22 | Iridos | Maccer, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy ... hm, and content of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:35.43 | rook2pawn | is it possible to read the contents of a file into the clipboard? |
| 10:35.54 | Maccer | Iridos: www.pastebin.com/R0DVBiGN |
| 10:36.11 | Iridos | rook2pawn, yes |
| 10:36.16 | Iridos | don't ask me how, though, I forgot :) |
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| 10:36.50 | Maccer | you mean input the file into the clipboard, or output? |
| 10:37.07 | Maccer | (sorry, I don't understand his question that well.) |
| 10:37.33 | Maccer | But I mean, it would depend on the clipboard manager though, rook2pawn |
| 10:37.39 | Iridos | rook2pawn, actually, look at xsel |
| 10:37.45 | Iridos | or xclip |
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| 10:40.00 | Iridos | judd, versions g++ |
| 10:40.01 | judd | Package: g++ on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4; sid: 4:4.6.3-4; experimental: 4:4.7.0-4exp1 |
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| 10:43.53 | Iridos | Maccer, that looks ok... |
| 10:44.01 | Maccer | I know. :s |
| 10:44.53 | Iridos | what happens if you just do apt-get install g++ |
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| 10:45.46 | Maccer | Iridos: www.pastebin.com/zPd8fxeX |
| 10:46.41 | rook2pawn | xclip with a bash function i found on google called "cb" seemed to do the trick |
| 10:46.42 | Iridos | oh... and do use aptitude to install build-essential... it has much better dependency resolver (just change apt-get to aptitude in the command) |
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| 10:47.19 | Iridos | actually there's also "aptitude why-not g++"... but I think that sounds cool but never produces usable output |
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| 10:47.46 | Iridos | judd, versions g++-4.4 |
| 10:47.47 | judd | Package: g++-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.7-1; wheezy: 4.4.7-1 |
| 10:48.23 | Maccer | Iridos: Ahh, aptitude is much nicer. Sorry, I don't use debian often. It is my second choice behind ArchLinux though. :> |
| 10:48.57 | Iridos | well... it's more "intelligent" |
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| 10:49.00 | Iridos | which can be good or bad |
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| 10:49.43 | luke3321 | "Aptitude, please install this for me." "OKAY. Let me remove GNOME at the same time. Cool?" |
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| 10:50.19 | Iridos | luke3321, sounds good... can't abide gnome |
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| 10:50.46 | luke3321 | Iridos: I'm using i3 :P ditched gnome when it went to 3.x |
| 10:51.05 | Maccer | There we go. I just got aptitude to downgrade the versions. I don't know why it was one release higher though. Maybe it's when sources.list was acting up. |
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| 10:51.39 | Iridos | I knew you were mixing |
| 10:51.45 | mah454 | I need like yourfreedom.jar software . |
| 10:52.04 | tremon | luke3321: aptitude, i (r)eject your proposed solution, please don't even try to suggest item (N) to me again. (N)ow give me a new solution |
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| 10:52.36 | Iridos | tremon, "Aptitude here, can I instead remove all of X?" |
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| 10:53.00 | tremon | lols and weeps at the same time |
| 10:53.01 | luke3321 | tremon: Very nice. Only happened to me once. Don't get me wrong, I exclusivley use aptitude |
| 10:53.34 | kleanchap | I am in the process of reinstalling my Debian system. However, this time (for the first time) I plan to use LVM to manage hda1 and hda2. The main goal is to encrpt some of the partitions and not the / or /usr or /home. Any advise on how to go about accomplishing this? |
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| 10:53.59 | tremon | actually, it happens to me all the time. My favourite is aptitude install pkg/experimental, then aptitude: "proposed solution: remove pkg" |
| 10:54.00 | eugenmayer | actually, is it allowed to have a 10.66.0.0 setup with a 255.255.255.0 netmask? ( or must it be 10.66.1.0 ) ? |
| 10:54.20 | tremon | eugenmayer: it's allowed |
| 10:54.41 | luke3321 | tremon: Those are the best. I wake up every morning hoping that aptitude will try removing the package I am trying to install |
| 10:54.54 | eugenmayer | tremon: thanks |
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| 10:55.32 | Iridos | you do? |
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| 10:56.46 | luke3321 | The worst is time I didn't notice that aptitude had marked gnome for removal... That was quite the issue to fix |
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| 11:19.55 | diverdude | How can i find out what version of php the php-elisp repo package for emacs supports? |
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| 11:30.53 | abrotman | diverdude: look at the dependencies? |
| 11:31.26 | diverdude | abrotman: how? |
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| 11:32.01 | abrotman | diverdude: get the Packages file, open it up? |
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| 11:51.12 | Dinkum_ | guys i need to increase my /home but i don't know how it work |
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| 11:51.45 | luke3321 | is your drive fully partitioned? |
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| 11:57.55 | nevyn | Dinkum_: what's the output of df /home ? |
| 11:58.14 | Dinkum_ | any book for partitioning or how to manage disk partitions from within Debian |
| 11:58.54 | abrotman | Dinkum_: did you use LVM? do you have free drive space? |
| 11:58.59 | abrotman | wtf hat? |
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| 11:59.06 | Dinkum_ | yes |
| 11:59.14 | abrotman | there were two questions |
| 12:00.48 | nevyn | and 0 answers.... |
| 12:02.09 | Dinkum_ | here is the ouput of df /home = http://pastebin.com/Wq8bzkX5 |
| 12:02.53 | abrotman | that didn't answer either question i posed |
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| 12:03.05 | abrotman | Dinkum_: why do you need more space? you have plenty |
| 12:03.20 | Dinkum_ | abortman yes i am using LVM and yes I have drivespace |
| 12:03.21 | nevyn | yes it does... |
| 12:03.38 | nevyn | it tells you he's using lvm and the name of the lv |
| 12:03.40 | Dinkum_ | yesterday my system was telling me you 0 bytes in /home |
| 12:03.46 | abrotman | Dinkum_: ABR<TAB> .. irc is not hard |
| 12:03.49 | Dinkum_ | so i deleted everything from download |
| 12:04.01 | Dinkum_ | then it was showing me 100% in cache |
| 12:04.05 | Dinkum_ | i deleted all the cache |
| 12:04.23 | Dinkum_ | oh thanks abrotman |
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| 12:07.26 | Dinkum_ | so abrotman i don't need to do anything |
| 12:07.36 | Dinkum_ | do you need to see any other output |
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| 12:08.26 | abrotman | Dinkum_: df -h .. how big is /home/ ? 10GB? how big are other partitions ? |
| 12:09.20 | Dinkum_ | http://pastebin.com/iCn0RppA |
| 12:09.36 | Dinkum_ | my total HD is 2TB |
| 12:09.58 | Dinkum_ | df --help |
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| 12:10.02 | Dinkum_ | sorry |
| 12:10.15 | superuser_ir | how to install unstable package in debian (for example php5.4 |
| 12:11.05 | luke3321 | Dinkum_: You have 1.6G left. Thats not a ton, but still a bit of space |
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| 12:11.41 | luke3321 | Dinkum_: Plenty of other free space on the drive, but it is fragmented across many paritions |
| 12:12.13 | luke3321 | Dinkum_: And shrinking partitions is risky, at best (in my experience) |
| 12:12.25 | Dinkum_ | are you looking in media -- only Disk1 is part of this HD -- others are different HD |
| 12:12.55 | Dinkum_ | there is another 500 GB unpartitioned on that HD |
| 12:12.56 | derebel | luke3321, if done properly there usually isn't a big problem, take a backup and always run deadly tasks like partition changes with a battery backup |
| 12:12.56 | luke3321 | Ah. Right you are. Been awake a bit too long. Letters are blurring together.. |
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| 12:13.10 | abrotman | Dinkum_: you have 8GB free .. that should be fine unless you're downloading DVDs |
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| 12:13.49 | luke3321 | derebel: Of course. "done properly" being the key phrase. I was just saying it isnt a walk in the park |
| 12:14.07 | Dinkum_ | when I installed that i did something like this ... 500 MB /boot .... 500 GB LVM - 10 G / -- 10 G /home -- 18 G Swap |
| 12:14.38 | abrotman | i odn't think so ... |
| 12:14.47 | derebel | luke3321, bootable gparted does the hard work, biggest problem i see is people doing it without a backup, you lose power and you're hosed |
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| 12:16.22 | luke3321 | derebel: I've seen that too. I've done it myself more times than I would have liked, sucessfully every time. It still is a risky move at some level, that's all I'm saying :P |
| 12:16.42 | ManDay | How can I purge (completely remove) the remains of all packages which are a) Already removed (but not yet purged) b) no longer needed? |
| 12:17.19 | luke3321 | superuser_ir: Lookup apt-pinning |
| 12:17.51 | luke3321 | superuser_ir: I am assuming you are running stable? |
| 12:18.04 | Dinkum_ | abrotman: and luke3321 any advise for me |
| 12:18.12 | abrotman | don't download DVDs? |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | luke3321: do not suggest that .. he'll make a mess of his system |
| 12:18.30 | abrotman | ManDay: dpkg -P |
| 12:18.55 | Dinkum_ | but i do :D |
| 12:19.04 | luke3321 | abrotman: Is there another way (short of download and dpkg -i all of the packages) to do that? |
| 12:19.05 | abrotman | then i guess you download them one at a time |
| 12:19.07 | Dinkum_ | well i have changed the path of my downloads :D |
| 12:19.16 | abrotman | luke3321: that's even worse .. wtf |
| 12:19.26 | luke3321 | abrotman: That's what I mean |
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| 12:19.38 | luke3321 | abrotman: Lesser of two evils |
| 12:19.39 | abrotman | luke3321: perhaps start with asking why he needs it to begin with ? |
| 12:19.43 | Dinkum_ | now what i want to learn is how to increase the space of any mount |
| 12:20.09 | luke3321 | abrotman: Fair enough |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | "hey, lthis guy on IRC said it work .. lololol" |
| 12:20.37 | luke3321 | ? |
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| 12:22.04 | ManDay | abrotman: That doesn't help me and doesn't answer my question |
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| 12:22.43 | tremon | ManDay: what's your definition of b) ? |
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| 12:24.13 | abrotman | ManDay: you want me to give you the entire command? |
| 12:24.26 | abrotman | man dpkg .. look at the -P option |
| 12:24.41 | abrotman | if you want to do all pcakages at once, use a little shell magic |
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| 12:37.05 | Jolein | hi all |
| 12:37.57 | Jolein | i have problems with sound configuration |
| 12:38.22 | Jolein | in the asound there is a device 2 se |
| 12:38.23 | Jolein | t |
| 12:38.40 | Jolein | but how do i list my sound devices to know if its the right one ? |
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| 12:42.58 | TuRnaD0 | can anybody help me please, i want to install and try debian for the first time, but realy don't know where to start, want to learn the commands and stuff, så i can learn to make a server and control it with putty |
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| 12:43.16 | tremon | Jolein: not sure what you're asking, but does aplay -L help you? |
| 12:43.49 | alex- | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.gz Could not resolve 'ftp.nl.debian.org' |
| 12:44.03 | nkuttler | !tell TuRnaD0 about ig |
| 12:44.20 | Jolein | default:CARD=U0x46d0xa01 |
| 12:44.20 | Jolein | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.20 | Jolein | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.26 | Jolein | that should be the default device |
| 12:44.30 | tremon | !paste |
| 12:44.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 12:44.35 | Jolein | then why isnt it playing ? |
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| 12:45.06 | tremon | !tell Jolein about alsa-checklist |
| 12:45.17 | lapsusbrutus | Jolein: didnt get what your problem is, but just installed alsa and no sound? |
| 12:45.38 | Jolein | no i reconfigured the asound.conf a while back with help from here |
| 12:45.42 | Jolein | and it worked |
| 12:45.45 | Jolein | till 10 mins ago |
| 12:45.47 | Jolein | just no sound |
| 12:45.53 | Jolein | i tried restarting alsa |
| 12:45.57 | Jolein | and still no sound |
| 12:46.23 | Jolein | now when i try to press F6 in alsamixer and select the usb sound it just exits |
| 12:46.45 | lapsusbrutus | Jolein: last time I had problems with alsa a reboot magically fixed it. restarting alsa wasnt enough :) |
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| 12:46.55 | Jolein | lapsusbrutus i relogged |
| 12:46.58 | Jolein | still nothing |
| 12:47.04 | Jolein | ok ill try rebooting >.> |
| 12:48.07 | alex- | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.gz Could not resolve 'ftp.nl.debian.org' |
| 12:48.09 | alex- | anyone? |
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| 12:48.58 | tremon | dns ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 12:49.01 | tremon | !dns ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 12:49.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:49.15 | abrotman | alex-: put your /etc/apt/sources/list in a pastebin |
| 12:49.37 | tremon | ah, disabled. nvm |
| 12:49.38 | abrotman | alex-: alex- can you resolve any hosts? |
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| 12:49.49 | abrotman | thankfully .. we'd end up with more bot silliness |
| 12:49.57 | tremon | :) |
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| 12:50.43 | alex- | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/VgWX9Zsh |
| 12:50.52 | Jolein | ok i gues that fixed it |
| 12:50.59 | Jolein | maybe my usb hub crashed |
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| 12:51.12 | abrotman | alex-: can you resolve any hosts? |
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| 12:51.28 | alex- | how can i check? |
| 12:51.37 | Rydekull | alex-: nslookup google.com ; ifconfig -a ; netstat -nr |
| 12:51.40 | abrotman | alex-: host www.google.com |
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| 12:53.29 | alex- | nope |
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| 12:53.44 | alex- | no rsult |
| 12:53.46 | alex- | result * |
| 12:53.49 | alex- | how to fix? |
| 12:54.04 | Rydekull | Pastebin it |
| 12:54.14 | alex- | pastebin what? |
| 12:54.24 | Rydekull | the commands and the results |
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| 12:54.51 | abrotman | alex-: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 12:57.18 | alex- | I forgot somethign in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:57.21 | alex- | I forgot gateway :P |
| 12:57.23 | alex- | now it works |
| 12:57.25 | alex- | thx |
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| 13:00.47 | pokoloko | hello |
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| 13:05.22 | renzhi | I want my system to always use a specific DNS to resolve hostname, so I added the line "supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, but that does not seem to work. How can I do that? |
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| 13:06.54 | poko1oko | Hello all, anyone have any experience with nm-applet not showing wireless networks (but allows you to connect to saved ones) ? |
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| 13:08.38 | beardy | !fixresolvconf |
| 13:08.38 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
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| 13:10.46 | lapsusbrutus | Jolein: you got it to work? :) |
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| 13:11.51 | bensons | !fixresolvconf the ugly way |
| 13:11.51 | dpkg | If you can't be bothered configuring either <resolvconf> or your DHCP client to properly handle your DNS settings, then you can do this: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). But realise that this is a truly ugly hack. |
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| 13:12.27 | abrotman | bensons: you can msg the bot |
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| 13:12.41 | abrotman | bensons: you really shouldn't use the ugly method |
| 13:12.57 | bensons | abrotman: i was just curious ;) |
| 13:13.03 | sysom | hi guys , i have one problem. after reinstall of my debian sqeeze i lost sound in my headphones. when i plug jack into the laptop soundcard , speakers isn't muted and i not hear sound in my headphones |
| 13:13.09 | renzhi | changing /etc/resolv.conf works only for 2 seconds, it is overwritten quickly |
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| 13:13.55 | sysom | what can i do? :-) |
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| 13:31.17 | sp4rc | guys i am running jwhois 4.0-1 on debian stable amd64 and get "[Unable to connect to remote host]" all over the time |
| 13:31.36 | sp4rc | my wireshark log does not show any firewall issues |
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| 13:31.49 | sp4rc | is there a known bug in this package? |
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| 13:32.19 | sp4rc | a whois-query is working by the way |
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| 13:42.42 | \\z | Can I somehow add something to the PATH of every user as root? |
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| 13:43.12 | tremon | \\z: /etc/environment |
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| 13:49.32 | gabedain | I want to create a keyboard mapping in X that allows me to have vi-like modes and vi-like commands. What I was thinking is mapping the Mod4 or Caps-Lock or Escape (after I swap it with Caps-Lock) to permanently put me into Mode_switch or ISO_Level3_Shift until it is pressed again. Does anyone know of this having been done already? If not, do you know how to map the Mod4, etc. keys like I said? |
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| 13:50.30 | solocommand | Just started getting a lot of segfaults recently in apache2 and php...not sure how to resolve. Any recommendations? |
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| 13:51.54 | sKeiths | i have kodak esp c310 printer, found drivers on source forge, but in the INSTALL file it says (debian and ubuntu now have packages in repositories you can install) i am having trouble trying to find these packages. amd64 squeeze. any help. |
| 13:52.33 | abrotman | solocommand: sounds like bad hardware or cracked box |
| 13:53.20 | solocommand | Could a bad hard drive cause it? |
| 13:53.25 | \\z | tremon: Will the PATH I specify there completely overwrite user-specific PATH or just amend it? |
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| 13:54.16 | abrotman | solocommand: possibly |
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| 13:55.57 | sKeiths | found package, c2esp. i think squeeze is just too old to have it. |
| 13:56.19 | solocommand | abrotman: Actually, reboot seemed to resolve. I guess if it starts happening I'll pull the drives |
| 13:56.29 | tremon | \\z: neither, it's processed before user-specific env settings |
| 13:56.31 | solocommand | There's a smart status tool somewhere right? |
| 13:57.12 | abrotman | solocommand: smartmontools or osmething lke that |
| 13:57.19 | abrotman | solocommand: that sound pretty suspicious |
| 13:58.33 | solocommand | Yeah. Not sure what's up. I think I read somewhere that bad libs could cause segfaults too, I've been playing around with nvidiaglx trying to to get xorg working. Might be related? |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | on a server? |
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| 13:59.09 | solocommand | It's an htpc/file server |
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| 13:59.29 | abrotman | anyway, yes .. bad libraries could cause it .. that's why i mentioned the box being compromised |
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| 14:00.36 | solocommand | Hmm. |
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| 14:07.47 | gabedain | Anyone know how to map a Mod key to NOT switch off on key lift? (i.e. work like Caps-Lock?) |
| 14:08.01 | abrotman | stickykeys? |
| 14:08.10 | gabedain | abrotman: looking it up |
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| 14:10.20 | todo | ciao |
| 14:10.27 | todo | hello |
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| 14:10.42 | todo | !list |
| 14:10.42 | dpkg | todo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 14:12.10 | NiLon | um what |
| 14:12.19 | \\z | tremon: I see, thanks for that |
| 14:12.23 | NiLon | !list |
| 14:12.23 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 14:12.57 | tremon | yearns for a great firewall of Italy |
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| 14:13.23 | NiLon | I was kind of hoping that it would have been localized reply :p |
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| 14:17.00 | jelly-home | NiLon: it's localized for Italians, who seem to be the only users perusing that trigger |
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| 14:19.50 | gabedain | abrotman: xkbset sticky seems to make the mod keys stick until any key is pressed. Do you know how to make it so that a _particular_ mod key sticks until that same key is pressed again? |
| 14:20.35 | tremon | gabedain: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-15.html ? |
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| 14:22.43 | gabedain | tremon: thanks. and that should work for Mode_switch too? |
| 14:23.18 | tremon | don't know, have never used it myself |
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| 14:24.59 | gabedain | tremon: will figure it out, thanks |
| 14:25.04 | todo | ciaoo |
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| 14:25.14 | dpkg | todo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 14:40.57 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 14:41.16 | Bartzy | I added squeeze backports to sources.list, did aptitude update, and now when I do aptitude upgrade, it wants to upgrade stuff to the backports version |
| 14:41.17 | Bartzy | mysql-client-5.5 |
| 14:41.24 | Bartzy | Even thought 5.1.49 is installed... curl, other stuff.. |
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| 14:41.36 | Bartzy | Shouldn't it be only when I ask it to specifically install something from backports via -t ? |
| 14:43.12 | Bartzy | ah |
| 14:43.14 | Bartzy | It's stupid dotdeb |
| 14:43.37 | Bartzy | Don't ever use it |
| 14:43.39 | Bartzy | stupid repo |
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| 14:44.30 | Bartzy | I have another issue |
| 14:44.36 | Bartzy | munin package suggests httpd |
| 14:44.43 | Bartzy | I have httpd installed from source (nginx). |
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| 14:44.58 | Bartzy | How can I deny nginx-light from being installed when doing aptitude upgrade ? :\ |
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| 14:45.49 | nio | hello everyone i am using debian 6 for the first time and while doing the apt update the problem is comming and stating that i should increase the catche size |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | i could have told you not to use dotdeb |
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| 14:48.44 | nio | i tried apt-get autoclean but it is giving the error Reading package lists... Error!nE: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824. (man 5 apt.conf)nE: Error occurred while processing wmhdplop (NewVersion1)nE: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_PackagesnE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opene |
| 14:49.57 | tremon | nio: google can answer that question for you |
| 14:50.11 | abrotman | !tell nio about mmap |
| 14:50.23 | nio | tremon then what this channel is for haha |
| 14:50.24 | abrotman | nio: how many sources do you have? |
| 14:50.29 | abrotman | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:50.45 | tremon | nio: it's for questions that google can't answer |
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| 14:51.54 | abrotman | not that it stops you from answering other questions that are easily answered ... |
| 14:51.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:52.08 | tremon | depends on my mood... |
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| 14:58.49 | hoverbear | Debian and KDE play nice together I take it? |
| 14:59.11 | daemonkeeper | Why not? |
| 15:00.44 | hoverbear | daemonkeeper: In my previous experience on some other distros KDE can be rather problematic |
| 15:01.35 | daemonkeeper | What exactly does you come in mind? |
| 15:02.23 | hoverbear | daemonkeeper: Well my last try my gpu was basically unsupported even though it worked fine in every other DE I tried (Including gnome 3 etc( |
| 15:02.54 | daemonkeeper | oO KDE works fine with every video driver supported by X (minus desktop candy) |
| 15:03.21 | hoverbear | daemonkeeper: Yeah the problem was with the compositor iirc |
| 15:03.48 | daemonkeeper | That can be disabled. That said, that's not a problem specific to Debian. |
| 15:04.16 | hoverbear | daemonkeeper: Of course not. It was a problem with KDE itself |
| 15:05.01 | daemonkeeper | Just saying: If you have a specific problem with your video card and KDE, Debian won't make a difference. |
| 15:05.49 | hoverbear | daemonkeeper: Yes :) It is apparently fixed in 4.8 so I'm just waiting |
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| 15:14.27 | nio | solved the apt-get problem thanx all and specially dpkg |
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| 15:16.41 | Tachyoniz | hi guys,this is my website http://zohirmenina.jimdo.com/ you can find there web info sites,search engines,web directories,science sites... |
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| 15:18.15 | Agiofws | hello |
| 15:18.54 | Agiofws | i am trying to upgrade chrome from within synaptic but i am getting this error |
| 15:19.09 | Agiofws | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-beta/google-chrome-beta_17.0.963.46-r119351_i386.deb |
| 15:19.09 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.22 | Agiofws | what should i include in my source.list ? |
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| 15:20.10 | abrotman | ask uh .. google ? |
| 15:20.19 | tremon | lols |
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| 15:22.18 | cbmuser | the package network-manager-gnome still contains /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop and hence starts "nm-applet", but according to my current understanding, GNOME3 already contains a network-manager frontend and nm-applet is therefore not required to start, is it? |
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| 15:22.38 | cbmuser | I can use network-manager in GNOME3 perfectly without nm-applet running |
| 15:22.56 | cbmuser | in fact, the dialogs of nm-applet interfere with the network-manager frontend in GNOME3 |
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| 15:27.36 | cbmuser | Agiofws: run apt-get update first |
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| 15:36.30 | Agiofws | hello |
| 15:36.37 | Eninem | hello |
| 15:37.15 | Agiofws | can nayone tell me what excude or include in my source.list file to eliminate the errors i am getting when i try to update |
| 15:37.15 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/oiSVIMuv |
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| 15:37.38 | Dudytz | hi all ... my debian/postfix/dovecot (with sasl authentication) system is working well ... but, how to prevent a smtp authenticated user to send emails with a from field other than her email address? (the e-mail address is the username) |
| 15:37.43 | lapsusbrutus | Agiofws: did you do the apt-get update? |
| 15:38.04 | Agiofws | yes and i got the above error |
| 15:38.55 | Atlantic777 | thunderbird -> icedove migration, there are many suggestions over the web but I'm confused. Does icedove use ~/.icedove or ~/.mozilla-thunderbird? |
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| 15:39.16 | Atlantic777 | And what to do? Just to copy my backup folder? |
| 15:39.22 | Atlantic777 | Any ideas? :) |
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| 15:39.42 | daemonkeeper | It uses ~/.icedove |
| 15:40.06 | Agiofws | why are you migrating ? |
| 15:40.24 | Agiofws | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/dists/beta/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 74.125.230.142 80] |
| 15:40.38 | Atlantic777 | I was using gentoo until yesterday, I ruined it and had to have working machin till tomorow. :) |
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| 15:41.02 | lapsusbrutus | Agiofws: What do you install from google? Id remove that one :p |
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| 15:41.47 | Agiofws | lapsusbrutus, chrome |
| 15:42.08 | Agiofws | line 29 ? |
| 15:42.10 | Rusty1_64 | how would i properly remount /dev/disk/by-uuid/a8b0e268-aaa0-49ef-9008-65ac3dfd36d1 on / type ext4 (ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
| 15:42.11 | Rusty1_64 | , rw ? |
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| 15:42.39 | Rusty1_64 | mount -a -o rw doesnt do it |
| 15:43.18 | fahi | Rusty1_64: mount / -o remount,rw |
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| 15:43.52 | lapsusbrutus | Agiofws: That link sure gives me a 404 error in my firefox.. so must be wrong then. You should check with google to get the correct path :) |
| 15:44.19 | Agiofws | ok |
| 15:44.20 | innociv | ugh... |
| 15:44.23 | Rusty1_64 | fahi: mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda6 read-write, is write-protected |
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| 15:45.08 | Rusty1_64 | dunno how, seems when i get an apt error the fs remounts itself ro |
| 15:45.15 | tremon | Rusty1_64: that error doesn't invalidate fahi's answer, which is correct |
| 15:45.34 | Rusty1_64 | tremon: didnt say that it did |
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| 15:46.16 | fahi | Rusty1_64: the fs might be corrupted |
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| 15:46.43 | Rusty1_64 | fahi: thx, will fsck |
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| 15:47.28 | lapsusbrutus | Agiofws: http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/T72-NiQiauE |
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| 15:48.39 | cheets | anyone here had issues with raid controllers and dual booting with windows 7 ?# |
| 15:48.49 | fahi | Rusty1_64: also check for hardware problems (using smartctl) |
| 15:48.52 | cheets | I got linux installed on another partition |
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| 15:49.09 | cheets | and it boots in ahci mode only but windows doesn't like that, it prefers the raid option in the bios |
| 15:49.26 | Rusty1_64 | fahi: smartmontools at the ready, will do |
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| 15:53.47 | DNS777 | hi :) somebody knows which package contains the libgame library? |
| 15:59.18 | jelly-home | !tell DNS777 about search |
| 15:59.34 | Agiofws | can anyone here see a Duplicate sources.list entry http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze/main i386 in http://codepad.org/Lx1zEotd this message is quite anoying |
| 16:00.24 | fahi | Agiofws: there might be something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 16:01.06 | jelly-home | DNS777: try: /msg judd file libgame* |
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| 16:02.07 | ri0t | is there something going on with libc6 versions? i have 2.11.3-3 installed, but it looks like the development stuff is all 2.11.3-2 |
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| 16:02.25 | Agiofws | ok fahi like what ? |
| 16:02.38 | DNS777 | jelly-home: thx i was alreadys lookin, but cant find it. thats why i ask |
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| 16:03.05 | jelly-home | DNS777: if judd or apt-file or packages.debian.org can't find it, it's not there |
| 16:03.10 | fahi | Agiofws: try grep debian-multimedia /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 16:03.32 | jelly-home | fahi: can't grep directories, dude |
| 16:03.45 | fahi | jelly-home: yes, I forgot to postfix a * |
| 16:03.53 | Agiofws | fahi, ok there was do i just comment it out ? |
| 16:04.05 | tremon | grep -r anyone? :) |
| 16:04.09 | Iridos | DNS777, as amazing as that sounds, not _every_ library ever in existance was packaged for debian :) |
| 16:04.36 | DNS777 | hm ya |
| 16:04.44 | fahi | Agiofws: well since it's defined twice you can just comment it out in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:04.57 | fahi | jelly-home: I'm not a dude, either |
| 16:05.33 | jelly-home | fahi: alright, dudette! |
| 16:05.52 | fahi | jelly-home: I just don't like being called dude |
| 16:07.12 | Agiofws | fahi, i commented it out in my a /etc/apt/sources.list.db is that ok ? |
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| 16:08.20 | fahi | Agiofws: there is no such file recognized by apt, it's okay if you comment it out in either sources.list or sources.list.d/whatever... just go ahead and try it |
| 16:08.22 | Lint01 | how can I unpack *.dz files? |
| 16:08.51 | Agiofws | ok thank you fahi and the rest |
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| 16:12.08 | Iridos | Lint01, what does "file" say the archive is? |
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| 16:16.32 | Rusty1_64 | fahi: was quite a mess fsck found, all is fixed with my thanks |
| 16:16.51 | fahi | Rusty1_64: glad it worked. :) |
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| 16:17.43 | innociv | When iptables is dropping something, will it still show up in netstat? |
| 16:18.14 | innociv | I'm trying to figure out why I'm still being attacked when behind cloudflare. I want to know if they are somehow getting my actual IP, or if the attacks are going through cloudflare.I |
| 16:18.23 | innociv | In netstat I just see cloudflare ips |
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| 16:20.49 | tremon | innociv: iirc, netstat shows only open connections, not packets, right? |
| 16:21.02 | Lint01 | Iridos, gzip compressed data |
| 16:21.10 | innociv | Alright. How should I see this then? |
| 16:21.37 | tremon | innociv: I think you want a packet sniffer like tcpdump or wireshark |
| 16:21.41 | innociv | have 10mil dropped pakcets in the past few minutes |
| 16:21.51 | tremon | ouch |
| 16:22.01 | fahi | Lint01: then gunzip; if it doesn't work try dzip, which is not in debian. |
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| 16:22.28 | tremon | or, use iptables LOG target, and don't forget to rate-limit! |
| 16:23.35 | Iridos | Lint01, then gunzip should do it |
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| 16:24.07 | Iridos | at least the first bit of packing |
| 16:24.28 | Iridos | perhaps some joint archive name like tgz for tar.gz |
| 16:24.31 | thewanderer1 | can I export the same directory with and without auth (sec=krb5i vs. sec=sys) to different hosts on NFS4? |
| 16:24.34 | Iridos | or a typo |
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| 16:27.19 | Guest52055 | Hi. Can anyone tell me, will the next release of debian stick with gnome 2.x? |
| 16:27.27 | Guest52055 | Hi. Can anyone tell me, will the next release of debian stick with gnome 2.x? |
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| 16:28.10 | innociv | http://pastie.org/3747399 These are my rules at the moment. I should put something like "-A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate -m limit -limit 5/minute -limit-burst 10 -j LOG"? |
| 16:28.15 | tremon | thewanderer1: it should work fine |
| 16:28.29 | nkuttler | Guest52055: no |
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| 16:28.48 | Guest52055 | nkuttler: Do you know what it will be, then? |
| 16:28.54 | thewanderer1 | tremon: hmm ok, how do I specify it in the config? |
| 16:28.58 | Guest52055 | nkuttler: Or where I can get this info? |
| 16:29.00 | nkuttler | Guest52055: i'll give you one guess |
| 16:29.10 | Guest52055 | nkuttler: Please dont say unity. |
| 16:29.13 | nkuttler | Guest52055: check what's in testing. that will become stable one day |
| 16:30.43 | Guest52055 | nkuttler: They are dumping it for unity, arent they? |
| 16:30.53 | tremon | thewanderer1: host1(sec=sys,...) ; host2(sec=krb5i,...) -- be careful about fsid=0 declarations though, things can get hairy if you also set a global virtual root e.g. *(fsid=0,...) |
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| 16:31.04 | nkuttler | Guest52055: don't know, don't care |
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| 16:33.08 | thewanderer1 | tremon: oh, thanks, looks good |
| 16:33.09 | tremon | innociv: you're missing an argument after --ctstate? |
| 16:33.55 | innociv | ay yeah --ctstate INVALID |
| 16:33.59 | innociv | But then it looks right? |
| 16:34.04 | tremon | thewanderer1: actually, if you specify them on the same line, drop the ; -- that was for readability, but you can actually place such exports on the same line, separated by spaces |
| 16:34.25 | thewanderer1 | tremon: I know :P |
| 16:34.35 | tremon | great :) |
| 16:35.22 | tremon | innociv: should work. Are you sure you want to capture invalid? a typical ddos sends syn packets, which should be ctstate new, right? |
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| 16:36.01 | tremon | doesn't know that much about firewalling with connection tracking |
| 16:36.35 | innociv | tremon, i'm getting tons of invalid. |
| 16:36.41 | tremon | ok |
| 16:36.42 | innociv | I have that hashlimit to catch bad syn floods. |
| 16:36.46 | innociv | Since syn can be good, no? |
| 16:36.54 | tremon | syn is essential |
| 16:36.57 | guardian | does open-iscsi logs somewhere? |
| 16:37.03 | innociv | Yeah |
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| 16:39.19 | tremon | looks confused at the system load of 9.6 on his nas... |
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| 16:39.59 | Viktorious | Hey, I have a really new atheros wifi chipset, which is not really well supported. After hours of searching to set-up wifi, my friend showed me this link that says my chipset is supported by the ath9k driver. |
| 16:40.35 | sawjig | tremon, lots of I/O will do that |
| 16:40.37 | hoverbear | http://dpaste.com/728605/ <-- Getting this after booting KDE, everything seems to work fine otherwise... Any ideas? |
| 16:40.42 | Viktorious | When I used sudo modprobe ath9k, the module becomes initialized, but no new network interfaces are created. |
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| 16:41.06 | dvs | Viktorious: I'd try getting a backported kernel to get it to work. |
| 16:41.09 | Viktorious | And upon system restart, I have to reload the module, because once i start up, if i run lsmod, ath9k isn't loaded. How can I load ath9k from boot? |
| 16:41.14 | Rusty1_64 | Viktorious: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:41.21 | Viktorious | @dvs I tried that, but it didn't work. I'm using 2.6.32-5 |
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| 16:41.33 | innociv | -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate INVALID -m limit -limit 5/minute -limit-burst 10 -j LOG is giving me "Applying new ruleset... iptables-restore v1.4.10: option `limit' requires an argument" |
| 16:41.42 | tremon | sawjig: I know, I was pumping a 6GB video onto it. 1GB network and slow raid5 controller doesn't go that well together :) |
| 16:41.53 | dvs | Viktorious: What is the exact number for the chipset? |
| 16:41.55 | Viktorious | I followed instructions here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857808&page=7. But it didn't work. |
| 16:41.56 | DNS777 | Viktorious: for some folks the wicd worx better with ath9k |
| 16:42.02 | Viktorious | Atheros AR5B125 |
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| 16:42.22 | Viktorious | I am using wicd as my network manager, but th eproblem is, the computer doesn't recognize my chipset as a wifi chipset. |
| 16:42.33 | DNS777 | :/ |
| 16:42.41 | Rusty1_64 | innociv: tried the #netfilter channel ? |
| 16:42.50 | innociv | I will |
| 16:42.54 | Viktorious | When running windows, it identifies it as AR5B125 in pci bus 7. In linux, it identifies it as simply a network controller in pci bus 7. But I don't have wifi interfaces |
| 16:43.11 | Viktorious | For now, I'd like to know how to start modules during boot? |
| 16:43.26 | valdyn | Viktorious: the module is loaded automatically |
| 16:43.30 | DNS777 | in /etc/modules |
| 16:43.40 | valdyn | Viktorious: or if its not loaded automatically then it does not support your device |
| 16:44.21 | Viktorious | I looked in /etc/modules, and it only says loop |
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| 16:45.59 | Viktorious | Whenever I boot up Debian, the first messsage I get is always pci 0000:07:00, BAR 6: No parent found for ..... |
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| 16:47.09 | dvs | Viktorious: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0032 |
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| 16:47.59 | Viktorious | Yeah that's my exact device |
| 16:48.06 | Viktorious | PCI ID is the same |
| 16:48.10 | dvs | Viktorious: look at the kernel version |
| 16:48.15 | Viktorious | Ah... |
| 16:48.20 | Viktorious | So I need 2.6.38? |
| 16:48.26 | dvs | At least |
| 16:48.32 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 16:48.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 16:48.48 | guardian | does open-iscsi logs somewhere? after reboot I'm missing a mount and I don't know the targetname, but maybe it's somewhere in a log? |
| 16:49.01 | Viktorious | If I upgrade the kernel, theoretically would it work? |
| 16:49.06 | dvs | Yes |
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| 16:50.07 | Rusty1_64 | 3.0 and above |
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| 17:10.10 | ageis | my apache 2.2.22 is mysteriously crashing on debian wheezy. a while after restarting the service i check to see if its running and its not anymore. if anyone would like to take a look at my error.log and tell me whats going on: http://jaggedsoft.net/error.log |
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| 17:13.04 | Lint01 | why Debian has no Tajik fonts? |
| 17:13.34 | thewanderer1 | what's a program for desktop notifications on Squeeze that integrates nicely with the desktop(s)? Ideally, I'd call something like `notify "PEBKAC detected. Please replace the faulty part."` and it'd display a notification in the notification area or something visible yet non-intrusive |
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| 17:17.04 | p_masho | anyone help.. got a problem with a machine (new install) not booting up .. the LVM is not stating can cant figure out why ? and tips please http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1559234 |
| 17:17.41 | StatueInDetroit | Hi, I am using Debian Linux on my server and apt is not working because ftp.us.debian.org is being resolved to IPv6 (AAAA records) by my DNS, which my network does not support. |
| 17:17.53 | StatueInDetroit | What should I do? |
| 17:18.58 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: If your network doesn't support IPv6, then it should still work. The problem is likely that you have bogus IPv6 *routes*, causing your machine to think you have IPv6 connectivity. |
| 17:19.05 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: What's the output of "ip -6 route" ? |
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| 17:19.32 | dwon | (Don't paste it here, paste it in #flood) |
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| 17:19.40 | dwon | (or to a pastebin) |
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| 17:20.40 | Dagger2 | or alternately, that the v4 site is unreachable, and it tries v6 as a last resort (and only reports the last IP it attempted) |
| 17:21.21 | Dagger2 | in which case, I guess the thing to try is to make sure sources.list is set to http://ftp.us.debian.org/ and then verify with wget that you can get that page |
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| 17:21.26 | StatueInDetroit | dwon: Bogus IPv6 records? |
| 17:21.37 | Dagger2 | really needs to try and reproduce this problem locally... |
| 17:21.38 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: Not records; routes. |
| 17:22.07 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: Like a gateway address |
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| 17:22.38 | StatueInDetroit | dwon: My gateway is an IPv4 address. |
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| 17:23.00 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: Paste the output of "ip -6 route" here: http://paste.debian.net/ and then post the resulting url in this channel |
| 17:24.31 | ageis | ^nevermind i figured out my problem. its probably APC |
| 17:24.36 | StatueInDetroit | dwon: http://paste.debian.net/162522/ |
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| 17:25.22 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: Ok, it's not the routing table, then. Maybe Dagger2 is right |
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| 17:26.19 | StatueInDetroit | dwon: Hmm. Could it be my host? |
| 17:26.46 | dwon | StatueInDetroit: Could be. |
| 17:26.50 | dwon | anyway, gotta go. Good luck |
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| 17:28.01 | injureddeer | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ijt86Tsq -- how change 'change' date? |
| 17:28.17 | Dagger2 | looks like I may well be, I just tried removing all v6 addresses and routes from a host and dropping traffic to the mirror on the firewall... apt-get shows "connecting to <v4 address>" for a bit, and then spams the screen with "failed to connect to ftp.us.debian.org (<v6 addr>)" messages |
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| 17:29.42 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: so yeah, it's quite possible your real problem is that you can't reach the site over v4. try changing sources.list to use http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ temporarily (and doing apt-get update) |
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| 17:31.29 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: Hmm. Could it be that the nameserver I'm using is returning AAAA when I want A records? |
| 17:31.50 | Dagger2 | no, that won't happen |
| 17:32.18 | Dagger2 | what's probably happening is that apt-get correctly tries the A records first, but it can't connect to them... so it gives the AAAA records a go anyway (which obviously fail) |
| 17:32.26 | injureddeer | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ijt86Tsq -- how change 'change' date? |
| 17:32.33 | Dagger2 | and then it only reports the last attempt it made, which is the AAAA record |
| 17:33.38 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: wget is able to connect it looks like, but apt is always going IPv6 and failing |
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| 17:34.20 | Dagger2 | is apt-get configured to use http:// or ftp://? I can see the later being more likely to fail |
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| 17:35.15 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: They are all using the http:// scheme. |
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| 17:37.13 | Dagger2 | hm, have you tried changing them to .ca. (i.e. the canadian mirrors) and running `apt-get update`? |
| 17:37.48 | hoverbear | Hmmm, how can I save the tunables from powertop? |
| 17:38.57 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: No, are they more reliable? |
| 17:39.13 | __zero | is there any command to print 1 sentence per line from a text full of sentences separated by whitespaces? like the opposite of xargs.. |
| 17:39.19 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: Okay, this is really odd what is happening with a wget test: https://gist.github.com/2338679 |
| 17:40.12 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: well, they're *different* |
| 17:40.23 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: hm, that doesn't look right. no A records at all? |
| 17:40.55 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: I'm not sure, but it looks like wget went right to the AAAA record without trying the A record! |
| 17:41.24 | Dagger2 | it would list A records there if it found any |
| 17:41.50 | Dagger2 | do you have dig/host installed? what do `host ftp.us.debian.org` and `dig A ftp.us.debian.org` say? |
| 17:42.36 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: Checking |
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| 17:43.08 | Dagger2 | also, switching to .ca. may indeed help here, the .us. hostname is somewhat unusual in having six A records, which I suppose could feasibly be breaking something in your network |
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| 17:44.04 | Lint01 | why Debian has no Tajik fonts? looks like a blatant racism to me |
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| 17:44.44 | kleanchap | I finished installing Debian and this time the installation process was a bit different. I did not get the prompt for selecting what packages I would like from "Development" or "Servers" categories. How do I get to customize the package install at this point? |
| 17:45.01 | Rydekull | Lint01: You've got to be kidding me? |
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| 17:45.18 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: Result: https://gist.github.com/2338706 |
| 17:45.25 | hoverbear | kleanchap: tasksel might do it |
| 17:45.36 | Lint01 | no, it has fonts for neighboring countries, but not for Tajikistan |
| 17:46.05 | Lint01 | there's got to be a reason to single it out like this |
| 17:46.06 | hoverbear | Today I learned there is a Tajikistan. It's nice to meet you. |
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| 17:46.21 | Rydekull | Lint01: If you say so, I dont even have an idea what fonts Tajikistan uses, but if you claims it would be for racism, you're barking up the wrong tree |
| 17:46.31 | kleanchap | hoverbear, Thnx. I will try that. |
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| 17:48.22 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: I think my host where my dedicated server is might be dodgy. :( |
| 17:48.31 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: your DNS server is just broken... although it looks like it's working right now |
| 17:48.53 | kleanchap | hoverbear, Is there a gui based tasksel? |
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| 17:49.10 | hoverbear | Anyone got a clue on how to implement the tunables from powertop in a permanent state? |
| 17:49.18 | hoverbear | kleanchap: Not that I'm aware of |
| 17:49.48 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: you could switch to 74.82.42.42 (HE) or 8.8.8.8 (Google)'s public servers, or run your own |
| 17:49.56 | xingu | StatueInDetroit: what does dig @208.69.84.9 ftp.us.debian.org aaaa return? |
| 17:50.02 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: Why is it broken, because it's not returning A records? |
| 17:50.04 | kleanchap | hoverbear, That's ok. Thnks though. |
| 17:50.19 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: ah, ok, it works *some* of the time. if you spam the dig command it eventually starts returning records, but then forgets them after a while |
| 17:51.03 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: yeah, and note the SERVFAIL in the dig's output. I don't know exactly what the problem is, but it's having some sort of trouble |
| 17:51.07 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: So, it's basically gone foobar. |
| 17:51.50 | StatueInDetroit | Are there any reasons why using Google's might be a bad idea on a web server? |
| 17:52.18 | StatueInDetroit | (Or Hurricane Electric) |
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| 17:52.20 | Dagger2 | xingu: it's actually a public resursor, so you can try yourself. methinks it's run by someone that doesn't have a clue what they're doing :/ |
| 17:53.29 | Rydekull | Lint01: actually; I found something useful and someone you might be able to ask more about it |
| 17:53.34 | xingu | Dagger2: looks like a gslb setup to me, seems to be multiple servers answering for that address one of which is on its ass. |
| 17:53.51 | Rydekull | Lint01: Mind you, i certainly recommend _ASKING_ for information, and not going all out playing a racism-card directly |
| 17:53.51 | Lint01 | Rydekull, ... |
| 17:53.56 | Rydekull | Lint01: look here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ch-languages.en.html |
| 17:53.58 | Dagger2 | StatueInDetroit: I can't think of any. I personally prefer to avoid Google, because... well, they're Google, and I don't want to tell them about all the DNS queries I make, but other than that |
| 17:54.10 | Rydekull | Lint01: search for tajik and you'll find a section with a email address |
| 17:54.16 | Rydekull | Lint01: Good Luck! :-) |
| 17:54.31 | Dagger2 | xingu: ah, that makes sense |
| 17:54.32 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2: I'll go with Hurricane Electric then ;-) |
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| 17:56.01 | xand | recommends getting ipv6 connectivity. ipv4 is legacy ;) |
| 17:56.47 | StatueInDetroit | Dagger2 and xingu, thanks so much for testing the DNS for me. |
| 17:56.59 | valdyn | Lint01: tajik seems to show up correctly here, so debian seems to have such fonts |
| 17:57.31 | kleanchap | hoverbear, FYI. The Synaptic Package Manager allows you to select the package installs via gui. |
| 17:57.31 | Rydekull | I think it does, from what I could understand |
| 17:57.32 | StatueInDetroit | I am going to go call up my host and rip him apart now for not knowing how to keep a nameserver working. |
| 17:57.41 | Lint01 | valdyn, strange |
| 17:57.48 | Rydekull | valdyn: question would be, if some certain characters might be missing, but I dont enough Tajik to know that ;-) |
| 17:57.58 | Rydekull | know enought* |
| 17:58.01 | Rydekull | ... |
| 17:58.02 | Rydekull | enough |
| 17:58.13 | xand | TBH I don't think many people have heard of that country or language :| |
| 17:58.14 | hoverbear | kleanchap: Yeah but that's not tasksel, but alright :) |
| 17:58.49 | Rydekull | xand: The country, surely, that they have their own characters, not as likely |
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| 17:59.02 | xand | Rydekull: I'd never heard of it. |
| 17:59.10 | hoverbear | Anyone have any ideas on how to get powertop tunables persistant across restarts? |
| 17:59.12 | Rydekull | then again, people think sweden and switzerland are the same |
| 17:59.21 | xand | and no I'm not american :p |
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| 17:59.29 | Rydekull | and some seem to think georgia is nothing but an american state |
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| 18:00.19 | xingu | Rydekull: they're easy to tell apart; sweden for cheap beer, switzerland for great beer. :D |
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| 18:00.48 | Rydekull | xingu: cheap?! |
| 18:01.06 | xingu | giggles |
| 18:01.07 | Rydekull | xingu: Im sorry, but where are you getting a connection between sweden and cheap? IKEA? :-P |
| 18:01.27 | xingu | Rydekull: extra points if you can find a decent suisse beer :D |
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| 18:01.49 | xand | sweden is not cheap |
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| 18:03.22 | valdyn | Lint01: http://picpaste.com/pics/taj-ORHevv86.1333908180.jpg <- thats taj? |
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| 18:04.36 | Lint01 | valdyn, that is plain russian |
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| 18:04.52 | valdyn | Lint01: ok, i dont know how to test then |
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| 18:05.40 | Rydekull | Lint01: Give him a tajik-text |
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| 18:07.34 | Lint01 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_alphabet#Cyrillic |
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| 18:09.03 | valdyn | Lint01: so this is just about cyrillic? |
| 18:09.25 | Lint01 | just? |
| 18:09.44 | valdyn | Lint01: only, theres no doubt that cyrillic is supported |
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| 18:10.27 | Lint01 | it is partially supported, some specific letters are missing |
| 18:10.54 | valdyn | ok, i cant see anything missing |
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| 18:11.06 | Akuw | Hi |
| 18:11.21 | Rydekull | Lint01: can you provide an example of what specific letters that are missing? |
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| 18:11.34 | Akuw | i need to encrypt my files dir to protect my docs and the docs in my external hd |
| 18:11.39 | Akuw | what can i use? |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | Lint01: we need you to give us a website that does not work properly |
| 18:11.57 | valdyn | Lint01: that wikipedia site works perfectly fine as far as I can see |
| 18:12.02 | Rydekull | (and preferably show us a screenshot on how its not working for you) |
| 18:12.20 | Akuw | last time i almost lost my laptop, so if this happen again i want nobody can access my files |
| 18:12.25 | Lint01 | ok let's see |
| 18:13.07 | valdyn | Lint01: the alfabet as seen on wikipedia: а б в г ғ д е ё ж з и ӣ й к қ л м н о п р с т у ӯ ф х ҳ ч ҷ ш ъ э ю я |
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| 18:14.00 | Rydekull | UTF-8 <3 |
| 18:14.27 | Lint01 | letters ӣ ӯ ҷ come from some fallback font and look different from the rest |
| 18:15.01 | Iridos | Akuw, the answer is a lot of "depends" :) |
| 18:15.04 | Iridos | dpkg, encryption |
| 18:15.05 | dpkg | Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 . See also <dm-crypt>, <ecryptfs>, <encfs>, <gpg>, <luks>. |
| 18:15.44 | Akuw | i am trying to use encfs |
| 18:16.02 | Iridos | Akuw, if it's only very few files, gpg might be best, which means you encrypt after use and decrypt again before use |
| 18:16.28 | Akuw | when i use encfs ~/.protegida ~/protegida the folder is no created |
| 18:16.37 | valdyn | Lint01: I cant argue about the quality of the glyphs, but everything is there |
| 18:16.45 | valdyn | Lint01: ҒӢҚӮҲҶ too |
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| 18:17.01 | Akuw | the app only ask if i want to create dir but don`t create |
| 18:17.58 | Lint01 | bah I'll submit a bug against font then |
| 18:18.08 | Rydekull | Akuw: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/04/62-how-to-use-encrypted-directories-with-encfs-and-fuse |
| 18:18.19 | Rydekull | Lint01: make sure you provide images on how its supposed to look |
| 18:18.26 | Iridos | actually... I think I also should have a look.. at some point soon, I want to put make a gnucash database... and that doesn't support encryption on its own |
| 18:18.27 | valdyn | Lint01: add a patch to that bug report if you can |
| 18:19.07 | Rydekull | Akuw: Im not sure, it was long time since I tried it, but iirc I used that guide back then |
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| 18:20.16 | Iridos | what's the outputfile avifix creates? Is it supposed to modify the input-file? |
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| 18:22.50 | Rydekull | Akuw: looking up on it, these days it seems like it's supposed to create folders like you say, can you show your output? |
| 18:23.07 | Rydekull | Akuw: and, do you mind doing a truss/strace on the command aswell? |
| 18:23.26 | Rydekull | Akuw: like truss -o truss.log -fal <command> |
| 18:23.39 | Iridos | truss still exists? |
| 18:23.44 | Rydekull | meh, strace, whatever |
| 18:23.58 | Rydekull | works in mixed environments |
| 18:24.16 | Rydekull | I work on UNIX-systems most of the times mind you ;-) |
| 18:24.35 | Iridos | Rydekull, welcome to the 21st century :) |
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| 18:24.44 | Rydekull | Akuw: oh oh oh |
| 18:24.56 | Rydekull | Akuw: by the way... make sure you just put a random password, not your real one |
| 18:25.11 | Rydekull | Akuw: (The truss/strace will probably capture your password and I dont want to know it) |
| 18:25.53 | Rydekull | Iridos: When the x86-world catches up with Power virtualization, let me know ;-) |
| 18:25.56 | __zero | quick bash question, how do I reuse part of a command? Im trying to execute 5 different commands but they all start the same way http://pastebin.com/PVg9PEvP |
| 18:27.38 | fbs | put it in a function? |
| 18:27.46 | Iridos | Akuw, actually... when I try that, the error is: When specifying daemon mode, you must use absolute paths (beginning with '/') |
| 18:28.23 | fbs | function tmp (a b c) { sudo -u ... gsettings set $a $b $c } or something |
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| 18:28.57 | Akuw | ok |
| 18:29.04 | __zero | fbs, mmm, ok I think I'll try that |
| 18:29.05 | Akuw | i am testing another procedure |
| 18:29.12 | Iridos | Akuw, then, when I specify full path, it creates the rootdir (mountpoint must already exist, of course) |
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| 18:30.13 | Iridos | Rydekull, truss... now you made a wave of nostalgia crash over me! |
| 18:30.20 | Rydekull | haha |
| 18:30.27 | Rydekull | I use it often |
| 18:30.28 | Akuw | ok |
| 18:30.40 | Iridos | last time I used was on... irix? |
| 18:30.53 | Iridos | perhaps solaris... but I think that had gnu utils and hence strace |
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| 18:32.33 | tashbear | the live support channel is on oftc? |
| 18:32.44 | Iridos | #debian-live? yes |
| 18:32.56 | Iridos | dpkg, debian-live |
| 18:32.56 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:32.59 | tashbear | ohh I see |
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| 18:38.03 | fbs | is there a difference between deb.or& .net? |
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| 18:39.50 | somiaj | fbs: yes |
| 18:39.54 | somiaj | though I don't know what it is |
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| 18:40.01 | Iridos | hehe |
| 18:40.16 | somiaj | seems mostly like name though debian.net redirects to debian.org |
| 18:40.27 | somiaj | (so not sure why some things have a debian.net address and others a debian.org) |
| 18:40.31 | tremon | fbs: the .org domain is official, debian.net is community-driven "unofficial" components |
| 18:41.25 | Iridos | I guess this is not the time to call the factoid ".net", though |
| 18:41.47 | OldParr | gnome sensors-applet shows me 3 temperatures temp1, core0 , core1, i don't know waht are those devices ? |
| 18:42.18 | somiaj | Iridos: does seem like a useful factoid...:/ |
| 18:42.39 | tremon | as I understand, most debian subprojects start off as .net, then once they gain traction are "incorporated" into the offical Debian governance structure (like backports) |
| 18:43.03 | tremon | please get some official confirmation before putting my words into a factoid, though :) |
| 18:43.43 | somiaj | Iridos: does not seem....oi |
| 18:43.44 | Iridos | somiaj, indeed... |
| 18:43.57 | Iridos | I thought you were sarcastic |
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| 18:44.38 | Iridos | last modified 2001... |
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| 18:44.42 | Iridos | dpkg, factinfo .net |
| 18:44.42 | dpkg | .net -- created by cshobe <cshobe@user-38lc77e.dialup.mindspring.com> at Mon Jul 31 03:17:14 2000 (4269 days); last modified at Wed Feb 14 06:29:42 2001 by debian!mcppala@is7.pacific.net.hk; it has been requested 81 times, last by tremon, 3m 8s ago. |
| 18:44.55 | tremon | hey... |
| 18:45.18 | fbs | tremon: aha |
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| 18:46.29 | seblabel | hey |
| 18:46.47 | seblabel | i'm using crunchbang since 2 hours, it is based on debian |
| 18:47.11 | somiaj | seblabel: if you have a question about crunchbang, use their support (we do not support based on debian here) |
| 18:47.14 | somiaj | !crunchbang |
| 18:47.14 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 18:47.51 | fbs | LOOL i thought it was crunchbag |
| 18:48.22 | seblabel | ok |
| 18:48.39 | seblabel | that is understandable |
| 18:48.44 | Viktorious | I compiled kernel version 3, and after configuring it, and running make install, I look in my /boot folder and I see the new files there. |
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| 18:48.56 | Viktorious | I run sudo grub-mkconfig to update the grub boot list |
| 18:49.14 | Viktorious | but when I reboot there is no entry for the new kernel, only for my old one |
| 18:49.21 | fbs | Viktorious: use update-grub |
| 18:49.23 | Iridos | what's a "composite manager" |
| 18:49.51 | dvs | Viktorious: Why are you compiling a 3.0 kernel? |
| 18:49.54 | somiaj | Iridos: like compiz |
| 18:49.58 | Iridos | eww |
| 18:50.04 | fbs | Viktorious: you could als o use make-kpkg, makes .deb for your kernel |
| 18:50.04 | somiaj | Iridos: though compiz is the only one I know of |
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| 18:50.19 | Viktorious | Latest stable according to kernel.org? 3.3.1 |
| 18:50.34 | somiaj | Iridos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager |
| 18:50.41 | Iridos | somiaj, I just backported ardesia out of curiosity... it refuses to start with out a "composite manager"... from context... well, dunno shouldn't be compiz |
| 18:50.44 | dvs | Viktorious: But why do you need the absolute latest? |
| 18:50.56 | fbs | dvs: to be cool |
| 18:50.59 | somiaj | Viktorious: you can get linux kernel 3.2 from backports.debian.org |
| 18:51.05 | tremon | Iridos: maybe it's enough to start xcompmgr? |
| 18:51.10 | dvs | fbs: heh |
| 18:51.26 | somiaj | Viktorious: (for squeeze that is) and it should be recent enough for most things people would want a newer kernel for |
| 18:51.30 | Iridos | yeah... that's what I'm just trying :) |
| 18:51.56 | somiaj | Viktorious: also if you want to compile your own kernel look into kernel-package (/msg dpkg kernel-package or /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 18:54.33 | seblabel | maybe that someone could help me |
| 18:54.47 | seblabel | i want to use debian with openbox, only |
| 18:54.58 | seblabel | so, i came here a few days ago |
| 18:55.00 | Viktorious | Thanks everyone :) |
| 18:55.12 | seblabel | and lots told me about crunchbang |
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| 18:55.32 | seblabel | saying that it was really close to what i was looking for |
| 18:56.02 | Iridos | tremon, well... that was... interesting, but not such a good idea |
| 18:56.59 | Iridos | ha... worked a lot better the 2nd time with -a |
| 18:57.51 | seblabel | that is true, it's close |
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| 18:58.19 | seblabel | debian come with gnome |
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| 18:58.56 | seblabel | i was wondering how i could uninstall gnome and replcae it with openbox |
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| 18:59.30 | tremon | got fragged by suspense |
| 18:59.47 | Iridos | tremon, oh well... it was enough... but what a crappy program... it seems to run on the background, blocking all windows out and... ran over my 2 monitors and... something went wrong so couldn't select tools and stuff |
| 18:59.57 | Iridos | so |
| 18:59.59 | Iridos | do not liek |
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| 19:01.00 | tremon | that's too bad. There are other compositing managers, I know mutter and kwin do compositing by themselves |
| 19:01.35 | tremon | uses xcompmgr with e17 and that works fine |
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| 19:02.03 | Iridos | tremon, I don't mean the manager, I mean "ardesia", which I was curious what it does |
| 19:02.11 | tremon | ah... :) |
| 19:02.41 | Iridos | perhaps it#s the managers fault that it seems so crappy, though, who knows... but for sure not gonna run beryl or the like |
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| 19:04.09 | satrionics | hi. can anyone recommend a usb pcmcia card for laptop which works with debian (without binary/non-free firmware, and with a libre kernel? |
| 19:04.51 | satrionics | i bought a belkin f5u222 pcmcia usb card because i read on the net that it worked, but i cant get it to work |
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| 19:09.02 | tremon | hmm... I'm currently using a bash script to build a complex command line, but it turns out multiple arguments on that command line will be filenames with spaces in them. Is there any way bash can deal with them or should I start over in a real script language? |
| 19:10.23 | jelly-home | tremon: quotes are your friends. |
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| 19:12.07 | tremon | quoting doesn't appear to do what I want. For example, cmdline="$cmdline arg1 arg2 $next_arg" will expand all spaces in next_arg as separate commands |
| 19:12.19 | jelly-home | tremon: the #bash channel, too, if you manager to explain what you want better |
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| 19:12.40 | tremon | and cmdline="$cmdline arg1 arg2 \"$next_arg\" still expands on those spaces... |
| 19:12.48 | tremon | thx, I'll try there |
| 19:12.52 | Iridos | tremon, bash deals with them just fine if you quote correctly... |
| 19:13.04 | Iridos | tremon, note, they have "USE MORE QUOTES" in their topic |
| 19:13.09 | tremon | yes, it's the correctly part where I'm struggling |
| 19:13.19 | jelly-home | technically a command line ought to be an array, not a single string |
| 19:13.36 | tremon | ooh there's a thought... |
| 19:14.17 | Akuw | finally i can create dir and mount |
| 19:14.31 | Akuw | but i can only mount using sudo |
| 19:15.05 | Akuw | but can`t doit ho in the guide without using sudo http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/04/62-how-to-use-encrypted-directories-with-encfs-and-fuse |
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| 19:17.55 | Akuw | when try to get access to folder i got No have permission |
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| 19:24.02 | ender | i understand this is not correct chat |
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| 19:24.16 | ender | but somebody know's how entry to ##php channel? |
| 19:24.57 | ender | this chat say me that is required invitation |
| 19:25.07 | ender | and i can't acces |
| 19:25.24 | ender | Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 19:25.35 | somiaj | ender: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:25.40 | somiaj | ender: you have to register your nick |
| 19:26.07 | ender | yes i do this but no appear nothing |
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| 19:26.32 | Rydekull | ender: / /query nickserv help |
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| 19:26.34 | Rydekull | oh |
| 19:26.37 | Rydekull | ender: /query nickserv help |
| 19:26.39 | Rydekull | sorry |
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| 19:26.44 | Rydekull | added the nick afterwards :-D |
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| 19:27.13 | dommy | ciaoa tutti |
| 19:27.15 | ender | how sign the nick? |
| 19:27.15 | kleanchap | What file should I modify to load the wireless driver module? |
| 19:27.16 | dommy | !list |
| 19:27.16 | dpkg | dommy: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 19:27.31 | Rydekull | ender: read that help, it tells you how to do it |
| 19:28.10 | Rydekull | ender: you can also read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 19:28.29 | somiaj | kleanchap: it should load automatically, what wireless card and what module? |
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| 19:29.44 | deb_nobbie | hi, i am having some trouble setting the tty console screen width in Mac -OSX- host and Squeeze as Guest OS via VBox. ratpoison WM works pretty well and all the X stuff but the window size in the Ctrl+Alt+Fn consoles have smaller width, if anybody can point me in the right direction I'll thank him. |
| 19:29.56 | kleanchap | somiaj, It is Ralink RT2860 Wireless Lan Linux Driver |
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| 19:31.02 | somiaj | kleanchap: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
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| 19:32.16 | kleanchap | somiaj, Thnx. |
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| 19:36.37 | xingu | deb_nobbie: tried tinkering with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX= in the guest's /etc/default/grub ? |
| 19:37.11 | multihunter | hello |
| 19:37.42 | kleanchap | brb |
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| 19:37.47 | multihunter | i just got a debian vps and want to install some packages but it gives me "E: Unmet dependencies" error for any package |
| 19:38.03 | NiLon | try update and upgrade |
| 19:38.14 | multihunter | for eg for python pckg in says "python-setuptools: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.7.2-10 is to be installed" |
| 19:38.45 | multihunter | tried apt-get update but error "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." |
| 19:38.47 | hoverbear | Any gnome users? I can't setup auto-login with gdm3 |
| 19:38.57 | NiLon | fix your sources.list file |
| 19:38.58 | Viktorious | After running make install in my new kernel 3.3.1 folder, I see all the files copied to boot. When I run grub-update however, I notice that it finds an image of both the new 3.3.1 kernel, and my current 2.6.32 kernel. |
| 19:39.14 | Viktorious | But, there's ONLY an initrd image of the 2.6.32 kernel, and not of the 3.3.1 kernel |
| 19:39.30 | deb_nobbie | xingu: no, tried this one: gfxmode inside grub.cfg; going to look after the other you say. |
| 19:39.39 | Viktorious | How can I create an initrd image for the 3.3.1 kernel? The readme file is tailored to the LILO bootloader while I have GRUB |
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| 19:41.43 | xingu | Viktorious: mkinitramfs(8) ? |
| 19:41.50 | Viktorious | okay |
| 19:42.02 | Viktorious | Btw, sorry for being newby, but what does the (8) in brackets mean in man pages? |
| 19:42.13 | xingu | Viktorious: which section |
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| 19:42.27 | Viktorious | Any, in general |
| 19:42.47 | xingu | Viktorious: section 8 is system admin commands |
| 19:43.12 | k1ng | can anyone give me a cron rules to run something 01:57 AM to 02:03 AM |
| 19:43.30 | xingu | Viktorious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page#Manual_sections is a reasonable summary |
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| 19:44.12 | Dev0n | hey, what's a good tool to encrypt a single file ? |
| 19:44.16 | multihunter | my sources.list is "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 19:44.20 | multihunter | its not fine? |
| 19:44.21 | Dev0n | I came across ccrypt but not sure if there any better |
| 19:44.45 | xingu | k1ng: that's a time range; if you want it to run every ${interval} between the range, you'd have one answer; if you want to start at 01:57 and stop at 02:03 you'd have two cron entries, and a script that could be started and stopped. |
| 19:44.46 | dawud | Dev0n: gpg |
| 19:45.34 | k1ng | every minute |
| 19:45.41 | k1ng | so i will need 2 cronjob |
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| 19:45.56 | Dev0n | dawud, isn't that key file based? |
| 19:47.09 | xingu | k1ng: yes; because two fields (hour, minute) are variant |
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| 19:47.32 | dawud | Dev0n: yes |
| 19:47.39 | k1ng | xingu, can you give me example how to do it please |
| 19:47.45 | xingu | k1ng: so you'd need one job for 57-59/1 1 * * *, and another for 0-3/1 2 * * * |
| 19:48.22 | Dev0n | dawud, is it possible to have it prompt for a pass ? |
| 19:48.28 | k1ng | 57-59/1 1 * * * will run before 2 AM |
| 19:48.35 | k1ng | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.41 | xingu | exactly so. |
| 19:48.45 | xingu | on and after 2am |
| 19:48.57 | dawud | Dev0n: it will prompt for a passphrase |
| 19:49.18 | Dev0n | ah cool, so option to use keyfiles or passphrases |
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| 19:49.20 | Dev0n | thanks |
| 19:49.26 | Akuw | what encryption method can guaranty that if somebody get total control in my computer, the sensitive data can`t be read? |
| 19:50.12 | xingu | k1ng: amusingly enough cron's configuration file doesn't deal well with time ranges (it wants to think in terms of fields rather than seconds-since) |
| 19:50.21 | k1ng | xingu, i need to run the script every 1 secend |
| 19:50.30 | k1ng | 01:57 AM to 02:03 AM |
| 19:50.31 | xingu | k1ng: then you need something other than cron |
| 19:50.45 | k1ng | a deamon |
| 19:50.51 | xingu | exactly. |
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| 19:52.04 | Atlantic777 | How could I get newer mplayer? I'm using the stable debian. |
| 19:52.05 | xingu | k1ng: if cron were able to deal with something like seconds-since midnight, you could say 3657-7203/60 (for the every minute case)... :) |
| 19:52.42 | k1ng | hm |
| 19:52.58 | LtL | Akuw: gpg |
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| 19:53.57 | craigevil | Atlantic777, look in backports first, or you can use the debian-multimedia.org repo |
| 19:54.18 | Viktorious | I'm kind of still not being able to make a new initrd image... |
| 19:54.22 | Viktorious | From what do I make it? |
| 19:54.22 | LtL | Akuw: gpg is not disk encryption baer in mind but great for individual files. |
| 19:54.52 | Akuw | what about folder encryption? |
| 19:54.58 | Akuw | or partition |
| 19:55.21 | xingu | Akuw: luks is the usual answer these days. |
| 19:55.31 | LtL | Akuw: can't answer that, best to google. |
| 19:55.46 | Atlantic777 | Btw, I'm experiencing a bug with mplayer, fullscreen gives me just black border around small centered image of the video. Should I report that somewhere? |
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| 19:56.38 | hoverbear | Atlantic777:Have you tried multiple video formats and sizes? |
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| 19:57.19 | tremon | Atlantic777: tried with -zoom? |
| 19:57.24 | Atlantic777 | hoverbear: yes, I have. Different output drivers, different window managers and desktop environments, different codecs... |
| 19:57.31 | Atlantic777 | tremon: yep, and it's slow. |
| 19:57.50 | Atlantic777 | It works only with x11 output driver. xv doesn't give me picture |
| 19:58.02 | craigevil | Akuw, for folder or file take a look at ccrypt |
| 19:58.14 | Atlantic777 | Btw, I have ATi Mobility radeon 2400. Driver is probably radeon (free). |
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| 19:58.55 | Atlantic777 | And I have multiple monitors. |
| 19:59.08 | Akuw | i was reading about encfs and read is not safe if the intruder take total control of computer |
| 19:59.09 | tremon | Atlantic777: so the problem isn't that fullscreen gives you a small centered image, it's that xv produces no output? |
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| 19:59.47 | Atlantic777 | tremon: I really don't know whats different between x11 and xv and I don't care, TBO. :) |
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| 20:00.13 | tremon | don't bother reporting bugs if you don't care, IMO |
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| 20:01.21 | Atlantic777 | I care about bugs, I'm just not into those output drivers. :D |
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| 20:02.38 | Atlantic777 | craigevil: thanks, I got newer mplayer from backports. And.. it didn't help. So it's probably this xv thing. |
| 20:03.05 | Atlantic777 | tremon: could you point me where to look next about xv problem? |
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| 20:04.12 | multihunter | i fixed my sources.list but still i get "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." while apt-get update |
| 20:04.44 | craigevil | multihunter, that happens sometimes when the repos are syncing, just wait and try again |
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| 20:05.18 | multihunter | craigevil there are lotsa 404 not found errors there |
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| 20:05.52 | craigevil | multihunter, pastebin the errors, and your sources.list |
| 20:05.53 | tremon | Atlantic777: I'd ask on the mplayer list/channel, maybe there's a simple solution. At least I've never had problems with xv across three different radeon cards, so it is supposed to work. Filing a bug for that will get you further than an mplayer bug for "-zoom is slow" |
| 20:06.19 | iz | quick question, what package do i need for nm-applet, if i've already installed network-manager? is it network-manager-gnome or is there a better package? |
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| 20:07.09 | tremon | !tell multihunter about lenny |
| 20:08.55 | multihunter | !lenny sources.list |
| 20:08.55 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 20:12.18 | multihunter | tnx tremon and craigevil |
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| 20:14.24 | FDFlock | Hello... Is there any actually DECENT Gtk application for CD/DVD burning in the repos? Something like k3b but with better gnome integration... Minimum requirements: setting burning speed, choosing ISO9660/UDF/both, Joliet/Rockridge/none, Dual Layer DVD support. |
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| 20:14.32 | peterrooney | iz: I highly recommend installing apt-file - also, /msg dpkg search |
| 20:14.33 | FDFlock | Brasero doesn't cover most of these |
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| 20:15.06 | mmarc__ | hi guys! In Debian or Ubuntu when I'm building gcc with default configure options, I have to specify LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu with make, or otherwise the build would fail due to the missing crti.o and crt1.o. Do you know, is there a gcc configure option to point it to this location? |
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| 20:18.44 | tremon | mmarc__: tried configure --help? Also, you'd probably get more response on a gcc list (or even #c) |
| 20:19.48 | mmarc__ | hi, tremon! This issue is Debian-specific and I think it's better to ask people who are packaging gcc for debian. So this should we the right place... No? |
| 20:21.01 | iz | peterrooney: thanks, apt-file is really useful |
| 20:21.25 | tremon | mmarc__: I doubt you'll find the Debian gcc maintainers here |
| 20:21.27 | FDFlock | mmarc__: That makes me curious, what's wrong with the pre-packaged GCC? (Unfortunately I don't know how to answer your question.) |
| 20:22.11 | tremon | a simple apt-get source gcc might answer it, if you really want to know |
| 20:22.15 | mmarc__ | FDFlock: oh, it's fine! We are just learning how to build our custom gcc variation. |
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| 20:27.01 | ArmOrAttAk | how can i restore the sorting of dotfiles before letter files? |
| 20:27.28 | FDFlock | ArmOrAttAk: where ?! |
| 20:27.30 | FDFlock | ls? |
| 20:27.34 | FDFlock | nautilus? |
| 20:27.36 | FDFlock | elsewhere? |
| 20:27.50 | ArmOrAttAk | ls and konqueror and system-wide |
| 20:28.22 | FDFlock | ls != konqueror != "system-wide" (whatever that is) |
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| 20:29.12 | innociv | How do I make absolute sure that my own IP can ssh into my server? Just -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -s my.ip.here -j ACCEPT? |
| 20:29.22 | innociv | or my hosts block to make sure in case my ip changes |
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| 20:30.10 | tremon | innociv: if you want to make absolutely sure, you need iptables -I, not -A |
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| 20:30.34 | innociv | Er right and i mean make sure i put that right at the top too |
| 20:30.55 | mmarc__ | ah, I think debian patches gcc to add --enable-multilib here: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/gcccvs/branches/sid/gcc-4.6/debian/patches/gcc-multiarch.diff?view=markup&pathrev=5904 |
| 20:30.56 | Ergo^ | im looking for debian wheezy live images - live project isnt building them nowdays ? |
| 20:30.56 | FDFlock | at the top, or at the bottom? |
| 20:31.01 | mmarc__ | this should be the solution |
| 20:31.10 | innociv | What i'm thinking to try to stop these attacks is only allow cloudflare ips. |
| 20:31.19 | innociv | I figured out the attacking ips aren't going through cloudflare and normal users are |
| 20:31.32 | innociv | I'd love to know how they get my ip to attack, but eh. |
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| 20:32.51 | FDFlock | innociv: being behind the same NAT? otherwise it doesn't really make sense. |
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| 20:33.16 | innociv | FDFlock, can you reiterate? I don't understand. |
| 20:33.50 | peterrooney | innociv: where I volunteer, we switched to a non-standard ssh port three years ago, and the log files have been EMPTY since then. We still get attacked, but not via SSH. |
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| 20:34.04 | innociv | peterrooney, i'm geting attacked on port 80 |
| 20:34.04 | FDFlock | oh, you meant the IP of the SSH server, I see. in that case, they're most probably just guess/attack random IPs, I think |
| 20:34.07 | innociv | but just makign sure. |
| 20:34.17 | innociv | No the attacks are targeting me for suer |
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| 20:34.21 | innociv | sure* |
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| 20:34.27 | FDFlock | *guessing/attacking |
| 20:35.21 | FDFlock | innociv: Try changing the default port, like peterrooney suggested. |
| 20:35.25 | FDFlock | It's effective. |
| 20:35.44 | innociv | No no ssh isn't being attacked |
| 20:35.47 | innociv | port 80 is. |
| 20:35.59 | innociv | I just want to make sure i don't block myself in blocking all traffic but cloudflare |
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| 20:36.00 | peterrooney | innociv: sorry, I thought you were dealing with ssh. I am mistaken. |
| 20:36.10 | innociv | mhm. I can see how it'd come across that way |
| 20:36.21 | ssss | >guys how i can turn on sound on my headphones? i hear not sound when i plug jack into soundcard |
| 20:36.32 | FDFlock | innociv: Then you can allow ALL traffic to port xxxxx, where xxxxx is your SSH port. |
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| 20:36.54 | innociv | But they may try attacking ssh later, so may as well do this. |
| 20:37.03 | innociv | All else fails, i can still use amazons java ssh anyway |
| 20:37.08 | FDFlock | innociv: it should be quite safe with a non-default port |
| 20:37.11 | tremon | mmarc__: note that that's much more than a simple configure switch, they're patching gcc to change the default paths, not simply adding more |
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| 20:37.44 | innociv | fdflock, until they scan ports? |
| 20:37.52 | innociv | I wouldn't think port scanning is hard at all |
| 20:37.54 | mmarc__ | tremon: yeah-yeah, sure! I'm going to take the whole patch and check how it would change the things for us. |
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| 20:38.11 | multihunter | sorry again |
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| 20:38.33 | FDFlock | innociv: they wont scan 65536 ports, and even if they do (1) you'll know, (2) they still won't be able to login |
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| 20:38.44 | mmarc__ | tremon: actually, you do not even have any multilib switch, multilib support is added by default |
| 20:38.59 | multihunter | i used lenny archive sources and updated the apt-get. now when i want to install python it says "E: Broken packages" |
| 20:39.29 | FDFlock | innociv: it goes without saying that a very strong password (and preferably pup-key auth) is needed |
| 20:39.58 | _paladin | FDFlock: if you were targetting an attack, why wouldn't you scan 65536 ports? It wouldn't take much time at all |
| 20:39.59 | FDFlock | innociv: And perhaps fail2ban |
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| 20:41.02 | innociv | Yeah I haven't gotten ssh attacked *yet*. |
| 20:41.05 | FDFlock | _paladin: Well, in practice, they're mostly scanning IPs (@ the well-known port), rather than ports (of a known IP) |
| 20:41.22 | innociv | These are attacks targeted at my server. |
| 20:41.22 | FDFlock | _paladin: Of course i'm not a cracker, so I don't know |
| 20:41.26 | innociv | Have been goign on for 2 months |
| 20:41.48 | _paladin | FDFlock: Yeah, but he said he was being targetted. So it would be against a single IP and a port range |
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| 20:42.28 | FDFlock | you can always ban IPs used for port-scanning |
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| 20:42.53 | _paladin | if you can detect |
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| 20:43.01 | _paladin | an nmap stealth scan is much harder to detect |
| 20:43.29 | FDFlock | what's a "stealth scan" (technically)? |
| 20:43.54 | FDFlock | perhaps a distributed scan would be difficult to detect, that's for sure |
| 20:44.02 | FDFlock | eg. from a botnet |
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| 20:44.05 | _paladin | if the attacker is having a proper go he will know how to avoid most detection |
| 20:44.13 | _paladin | a stealth scan is a SYN scan |
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| 20:44.17 | _paladin | just a half connection |
| 20:44.18 | innociv | Looks like this set up is working great so far except my cometd isn't working.. Maybe it doesn't work behind cloudflare. Or dns is taking a while. Hm |
| 20:44.22 | FDFlock | _paladin: I see |
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| 20:44.45 | innociv | Lol nevermind it just went down. |
| 20:45.04 | _paladin | innociv: are you using an IDS? |
| 20:45.07 | FDFlock | _paladin: I still don't understand what make it "stealth"... Aren't half-open connections logged? |
| 20:45.13 | FDFlock | *makes |
| 20:45.22 | innociv | No. I tried CSF Firewall and it did not work. |
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| 20:46.02 | innociv | My rules now are super simple. |
| 20:46.04 | krisfremen | hi guys, what can I use to get a backup of a maildir in real time from an offsite server? |
| 20:46.09 | krisfremen | apart from forwarding |
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| 20:46.27 | innociv | http://pastie.org/3751916 |
| 20:46.48 | tremon | krisfremen: what's real time? |
| 20:46.50 | _paladin | FDFlock: depends on your setup, but a good chance they are yeah. There are varying levels of intensity and types of scan and depending on your IDS setup, it depends when it will trigger |
| 20:46.52 | innociv | Allow all from cloudflare, allow from myself on ssh, |
| 20:46.55 | innociv | Block anything else. |
| 20:47.01 | krisfremen | tremon: within like 30 seconds? |
| 20:47.02 | _paladin | FDFlock: but im no expert either to be honest |
| 20:47.08 | krisfremen | preferably less |
| 20:47.25 | FDFlock | _paladin: thanks for your response |
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| 20:47.45 | tremon | krisfremen: take out the drive with the maildir on it, and teleport it to the other site |
| 20:47.55 | _paladin | FDFlock: sorry I couldn't be of much more help |
| 20:47.59 | krisfremen | tremon: well.. that'd be.. expensive |
| 20:48.14 | krisfremen | tremon: I want to have just the maildir mirrored on both computers |
| 20:48.40 | tremon | it's the fastest way I can think of. I'd have suggested rsync, but that's limited by the bandwidth between the two sites |
| 20:48.42 | FDFlock | _paladin: Oh, I'm definitely not a security (or Linux) expert, i'm asking various things in order to learn :) |
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| 20:49.35 | krisfremen | tremon: what about getting the messages through IMAP and storing them somewhere else? |
| 20:49.43 | _paladin | FDFlock: me too, I usually just spend my time reading on here, but I have some nmap experience and have done some scanning on my own networks |
| 20:49.54 | krisfremen | is there something that will do that? with push maybe, so the messages are pretty much instant? |
| 20:50.04 | tremon | krisfremen: file transfer is going to be way faster than any sort of mail access protocol |
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| 20:56.26 | innociv | Is there a way to have iptables show up in htop? I have all this cpu usage from iptables dropping hundreds of thousands of packets a second, but it doesn't show a process. |
| 20:56.53 | tremon | innociv: iptables is not a daemon. the rules are handled in-kernel |
| 20:56.54 | Iridos | shows as "sys" in top |
| 20:57.10 | Iridos | possibly somewhat as "wait", dunno about that |
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| 20:58.03 | ksx4system | how do I install lua modules in 6.0 squeeze? |
| 20:58.14 | Iridos | I mean on the overview-line on the top of the screen in "top" |
| 20:58.46 | innociv | " 33M 1335M DROP tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0" So many packets.. Is that 1.3 billion? |
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| 20:59.07 | innociv | In less than 15 minutes. |
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| 20:59.34 | innociv | Only 15% cpu usage, 270mb of ram, 2.5mbps of outgoing bandwidth ,but I can't access the site :/ |
| 20:59.44 | tremon | it's 33m packets and 1.3G data |
| 20:59.45 | Sander^home | How can I mount a vfat partition with write rights for everyone, at the moment only root have write rights? |
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| 21:00.09 | Sander^home | I tried with umask=000 |
| 21:00.15 | innociv | Oh yeah |
| 21:00.26 | innociv | My brain is fried right now. :\ |
| 21:00.49 | innociv | It seems to me that cloudflare is failing here... I send them a support ticket. |
| 21:01.44 | tremon | you do realize that it's sunday today, and will be sunday tomorrow as well? |
| 21:01.51 | Iridos | Sander^home, and the result was? |
| 21:02.09 | Sander^home | Iridos, still drwxr-xr-x |
| 21:02.29 | tremon | Sander^home: have you tried creating files too? |
| 21:02.43 | Iridos | Sander^home, dmask is for directories? |
| 21:02.47 | Iridos | umask for files? |
| 21:02.50 | tremon | touche |
| 21:03.00 | Sander^home | Iridos, ah, ok. i'll try |
| 21:03.24 | innociv | i allowed all for my ip. I can access the site directly by ip |
| 21:03.27 | innociv | cna't with domain name. |
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| 21:04.07 | Sander^home | Iridos, still same rights after I put dmask=000 |
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| 21:05.05 | FDFlock | I don't think that iptables can have rules with domain names... |
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| 21:05.50 | FDFlock | innociv: Although some googling reveals that you can use the "string" filter |
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| 21:06.05 | Sander^home | Iridos, tremon: I can't set filepermissions on the files.. as its not stored in vfat I belive. |
| 21:06.19 | Iridos | Sander^home, what's the exact command? I just used this, and it was fine: mount /dev/sdh1 /mnt/cd1/ -t vfat -o dmask=0000,umask=0000 |
| 21:06.26 | tremon | of course it isn't, that why you have the mount options |
| 21:06.38 | Iridos | drwxrwxrwx 3 root root 24576 Jan 1 1970 . |
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| 21:06.45 | FDFlock | Sander^home: yeah, that's normal, FAT does not support Unix-style permissons... but can you create files? |
| 21:06.46 | Iridos | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 424494 Mar 30 16:42 b |
| 21:06.54 | jelly-home | Iridos: your directory SO OLD |
| 21:06.57 | innociv | FDFlock, i know. It's not iptables blocking it's cloudflare.. |
| 21:07.02 | innociv | their dns is failing |
| 21:07.23 | ksx4system | how do I install lua modules in Debian squeeze? I have dbdmysql.so and no idea where to put it |
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| 21:07.46 | Iridos | jelly-home, yeah... amazing... how DO they do it - I'm sure the usb stick wasn't even produced back then... I bet they just took a root directory from an old hard-drive and put it onto that usb stick! |
| 21:08.04 | Sander^home | Iridos, I tried with: mount -t vfat -o dmask=0000,umask=0000 /dev/sdc1 /mnt |
| 21:08.17 | Sander^home | FDFlock, I can create files |
| 21:08.23 | Sander^home | FDFlock, as root |
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| 21:08.31 | nameless` | hi |
| 21:08.39 | Sander^home | Iridos, still drwxr-xr-x |
| 21:08.57 | nameless` | does anyone knows a light ipv6 webcrawler, the goal is not to crawl internet, but to crawl a darknet |
| 21:09.28 | FDFlock | Iridos: not really, 1 Jan 1970 is a "special" day for Unix systems, if I remember correctly |
| 21:09.37 | bytetracker | howdy all |
| 21:09.41 | innociv | https://www.cloudflare.com/wiki/I_keep_seeing_%22My_Site_is_Offline%22 This is what they say. So I'm allowing traffic from allow those ips except the ip6 ones |
| 21:09.47 | innociv | I don't think i'm using ipv6 |
| 21:09.57 | Iridos | FDFlock, ... |
| 21:09.58 | Sander^home | Iridos, mount gives me this message: /dev/sdc1 on /mnt type vfat (rw,dmask=0000,umask=0000) |
| 21:09.58 | Iridos | it is |
| 21:10.23 | innociv | http://pastie.org/3751916 My rules. I allow my ip, and all of cloudflares. |
| 21:10.35 | LtL | FDFlock: Thats correct, unix time is seconds elapsed since midnight jan 1 1970 |
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| 21:11.28 | innociv | Hey Diopter? You around? You might be interested in this. :p |
| 21:11.54 | p_masho | I;ve just updated lenny to squeeze.. and the WHOLE LVM has gone.. |
| 21:12.23 | alex- | p_masho: restore your backups from before you were going to upgrade |
| 21:12.36 | Iridos | Sander^home, that's as it should be... what version of debian is that and what kernel? |
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| 21:12.38 | p_masho | it says.. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1559234 |
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| 21:13.12 | p_masho | alex-: Its a fresh install to a remote machine... at ISP.. so it a reimage... installed olde lenny and upgraded to squeeze.. |
| 21:13.22 | alex- | ah |
| 21:13.31 | Sander^home | Iridos, as it should be?.. I want write for everyone. |
| 21:13.53 | Iridos | THIS is as it should be: <Sander^home> Iridos, mount gives me this message: /dev/sdc1 on /mnt type vfat (rw,dmask=0000,umask=0000) |
| 21:14.14 | Sander^home | Iridos, yeah.. exactly. |
| 21:14.25 | Sander^home | understood. |
| 21:14.56 | Sander^home | Iridos, i'm using 2.6.32 |
| 21:16.15 | Iridos | on squeeze? |
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| 21:16.26 | Iridos | i386? |
| 21:16.39 | Sander^home | Iridos, it's x86_64 |
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| 21:19.06 | kleanchap | I am using the wifi network connection on my Debian. how do I turn off the eth0 from showing up in ifconfig? |
| 21:19.34 | dvs | Sander^home: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 21:19.54 | Sander^home | dvs, squeeze/sid |
| 21:20.07 | Iridos | huh |
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| 21:20.54 | mooglenorph | Hi, I need some help |
| 21:21.14 | Sander^home | Iridos, I tried to set another uid on the filesystem also.. still root which owns it. |
| 21:21.16 | mooglenorph | I installed 2.6.39 kernel from squeeze backports. |
| 21:21.24 | mooglenorph | And, now I can't install virtualbox from aptitude. |
| 21:21.47 | multihunter | can i upgrade my distro without losing my data? |
| 21:21.50 | mooglenorph | Looking into the situation, it seems that backports is now offering the 3.2 kernel. I don't know if it is safe or sane to upgradre to that. Any advice? |
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| 21:22.29 | dvs | mooglenorph: I'm using it right now with squeeze |
| 21:22.36 | mooglenorph | The device in question is my personal laptop, a lenovo thinkpad x200s |
| 21:22.46 | boudiccas | multihunter, yes, but its wise to backup first |
| 21:22.57 | dvs | mooglenorph: Mine is a Toshiba C650D |
| 21:23.17 | mooglenorph | Also, could someone send me to some documentation? I've been dutifully using aptitude safe-upgrade, but it doesn't seem to have been keeping my kernel up to date with whatever is in backports. |
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| 21:23.30 | mooglenorph | I'd like to have that done automatically, if that's possible |
| 21:23.53 | dvs | mooglenorph: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:24.23 | mooglenorph | oh, I might've installed the non-virtual package |
| 21:24.27 | mooglenorph | when I got this kernel a while ago |
| 21:24.28 | mooglenorph | whoops |
| 21:24.45 | Iridos | Sander^home, I dunno... if that's a sid system that hasn't been updated for a long time, I would suggest doing so |
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| 21:25.55 | mooglenorph | ah, and now dkms is running auto-install for the new kernel of virtualbox... thanks so much! |
| 21:26.14 | Sander^home | Iridos, Okay. It's pretty old. |
| 21:26.16 | mooglenorph | so, what I should learn from this is, always install the virtual kernel package from backports, and then everything will work smoothly? |
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| 21:26.24 | mooglenorph | (virtual package for my arch) |
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| 21:26.49 | dvs | mooglenorph: If you want the kernel to be automatically upgraded, yes |
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| 21:27.04 | mooglenorph | dvs: I do indeed. thanks :-) |
| 21:27.14 | dvs | np |
| 21:27.20 | mooglenorph | reboot time... |
| 21:27.22 | Iridos | Sander^home, squeeze is stable for over a year now... I dunno if that has been testing at the time, must not have been updated for over a year |
| 21:28.45 | peterrooney | multihunter: also, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:29.12 | multihunter | well my debian version is implemented with some packages :) |
| 21:29.23 | multihunter | i dunno if they work when i upgrade it |
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| 21:29.33 | Sander^home | Iridos, is it the kernel version that matters? |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | a lot fo things |
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| 21:31.32 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 21:31.33 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
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| 21:32.33 | Sander^home | jelly-home, will release names ever be out? |
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| 21:33.00 | Sander^home | ..like no more names in toystory. |
| 21:33.03 | Iridos | no, they will keep making more toy story films for debian |
| 21:33.17 | jelly-home | Sander^home: I imagine Linux will probably die out before that |
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| 21:33.52 | Sander^home | jelly-home, how many more names are we talking about? |
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| 21:34.36 | grothendieck | How many more debian releases are we talking about? at the current rate I think people will no longer know what toy story even is before debian runs out of names |
| 21:34.40 | dvs | Iridos: yay! |
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| 21:35.02 | grothendieck | or just start over from potato |
| 21:35.03 | grothendieck | :P |
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| 21:37.05 | peterrooney | or, because people shall have forgotten about ubuntu, pulmonary potato |
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| 21:37.47 | Iridos | dvs, it's a done deal... actually 2045, the debian project will purchase the rights to toy story and start producing the first open-source movie \o/ (but it's still all a big sikrit) |
| 21:38.00 | CrazyGir | hello! I just tried adding a route to a remote subnet (remote across a VPN), and received SIOCADDRT: No such process in reply |
| 21:38.28 | CrazyGir | what's SIOCADDRT trying to tell me? |
| 21:38.38 | dvs | Iridos: Nooooooo! It won't be done until 2145! ;-) |
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| 21:39.34 | dvs | CrazyGir: Whenever I see that it usually means that I forgot to include some firmware. |
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| 21:47.01 | FDFlock | Hmm... dbus-daemon suddenly started consuming 15-20% CPU and I don't know the reason because nothing particular happened... |
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| 21:50.32 | CrazyGir | dvs: what do you mean by firmware, in relation to routes? |
| 21:51.20 | CrazyGir | hilarious |
| 21:51.37 | dvs | CrazyGir: I don't think it applies in your case but I get that error (or a similar error) when I forget to include firmware for my wireless adapters |
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| 21:53.02 | gooberpeas | Can anyone tell me if the new release of debian will still use gnome? I really hate unity, but that seems to be what everyone is moving towards (ubuntu, fedora...). |
| 21:53.41 | dvs | gooberpeas: It should default to Gnome 3 |
| 21:53.51 | dvs | but anything can change between now and then |
| 21:54.16 | gooberpeas | dvs: Is gnome 3 the current version of gnome being used in debian? (sorry, n00b here). |
| 21:55.10 | abrotman | gooberpeas: not in stable |
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| 21:55.43 | gooberpeas | abrotman: What do you mean? |
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| 21:56.28 | abrotman | i mean Squeeze/Stable has gnome2.x .. testing/unstable have 3.x |
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| 21:56.47 | gooberpeas | Sorry, I am a long-time ubuntu user, but I am really not liking the direction that it is going in with Unity and lack of user control... so I am looking into switching... but I don't know yet. |
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| 22:00.03 | kleanchap | I created a group with the user manager gui and added my account to that group. The /etc/group lists me as a member of the new group. The /etc/group- does not. What process manages the /etc/group- file? |
| 22:00.07 | Sander^home | Iridos, it worked to upgrade, thanks alot! |
| 22:00.35 | Iridos | haha... still no clue what caused it... but... oh well... |
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| 22:15.14 | FDFlock | It's been half an hour that the CPU usage rose to 50% (probably 100% of a core) and I don't know why... it seems that dbus-daemon uses most of it (15-20%) but I can't suspect the cause |
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| 22:15.43 | FDFlock | the top entries of "top" don't add up to that much |
| 22:16.20 | FDFlock | anyone having such trouble with dbus? (if it is the cause) |
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| 22:26.00 | innociv | How do I get the dns servers for a site? |
| 22:26.16 | Rydekull | dig NS @google.com |
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| 22:26.34 | Rydekull | err |
| 22:26.41 | Rydekull | skip that @ |
| 22:26.45 | Rydekull | dig NS google.com |
| 22:26.51 | Rydekull | is too tired |
| 22:27.12 | joltcan | Rydekull: I just heard your bed calling for you |
| 22:27.29 | Rydekull | joltcan: Me too, which is why I just layed down in it :-P |
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| 22:29.58 | ws2k3 | what is $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 22:30.04 | innociv | Rydekull, and if i want the ip? |
| 22:30.29 | boobsbr | howdy, can I install and properly run gddrescue from wheezy on ubuntu 10.10 if gdebi says all dependencies are satisfied? |
| 22:31.13 | tremon | looks at his dig output |
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| 22:31.21 | tremon | innociv: the additional section? |
| 22:32.34 | tremon | ws2k3: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html#AEN77 |
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| 22:32.59 | innociv | Not seeing an ip. I don't see anything in man. I see the nameserver domain names, SERVER: 172.16.0.23#53 which i'm fairly certain isn't it |
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| 22:34.04 | phuzion | is there an easy way to get the most up-to-date sources.list for my install? I'm running Squeeze i386 |
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| 22:34.18 | peterrooney | boobsbr: if you feel like hosing your system, maybe. |
| 22:34.32 | siliconestyle | which architecture of debian should i download for a ~2005 x86 Dell laptop? |
| 22:34.35 | rudi_s | phuzion: apt-get update |
| 22:34.37 | dvs | phuzion: What do you mean? The sources.list generally doesnt change during a release. |
| 22:34.45 | boobsbr | peterrooney, why would it hose the system? |
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| 22:35.18 | phuzion | I want to add testing to my sources.list so I can update a package to something that hasn't been released to stable, but it's only available in testing. I want the latest sources.list to start from |
| 22:35.18 | tremon | innociv: http://paste.debian.net/162577/ is my dig output. It lists 4 nameservers and their IP's |
| 22:35.25 | peterrooney | boobsbr: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 22:35.27 | dvs | siliconestyle: probably 386 |
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| 22:35.38 | phuzion | siliconestyle: depends on the capability of the processor. |
| 22:35.45 | siliconestyle | it's an x86 |
| 22:35.47 | rudi_s | !tell phuzion about ssb |
| 22:36.00 | dvs | phuzion: You should use backports for that. |
| 22:36.05 | siliconestyle | i figure i386 is the best one for it, but i don't know what all those other ones are |
| 22:36.17 | phuzion | siliconestyle: is it a core2 duo or newer? |
| 22:36.19 | rudi_s | phuzion: Normally you can't use packages from testing, either use backports as dvs suggested or backport it itself. |
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| 22:36.47 | siliconestyle | actually i'm an idiot, it's an AMD 64 |
| 22:36.56 | siliconestyle | dual core |
| 22:37.03 | siliconestyle | so amd64 is a winner |
| 22:37.07 | phuzion | bingo |
| 22:37.12 | siliconestyle | thanks |
| 22:37.12 | dvs | siliconestyle: It has to be a Core 2 |
| 22:37.16 | peterrooney | boobsbr: changes to preinstall scripts, changes to postrm scripts, wildly different expectations of where files belong, possible filename overloading... |
| 22:37.22 | siliconestyle | it's an Athlon64 x2 |
| 22:37.37 | dvs | that'll work too. ;-) |
| 22:37.45 | siliconestyle | um.. there are 8 DVDs of debian? |
| 22:37.51 | boobsbr | peterrooney, oh ok |
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| 22:38.05 | dvs | siliconestyle: If you have a wired internet connection, you only need the first one. |
| 22:38.14 | joltcan | siliconestyle: Debian has a boatload of packages, you seldom need more than the fist one though. or first cd even |
| 22:38.29 | siliconestyle | gotcha |
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| 22:39.16 | phuzion | rudi_s: so, the package I want is in wheezy, how would I go about installing it then? Never done a backport |
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| 22:39.47 | phuzion | or dvs even |
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| 22:40.07 | dvs | phuzion: What package do you want? |
| 22:40.13 | phuzion | quassel |
| 22:40.25 | dvs | ,versions quassel |
| 22:40.27 | judd | Package: quassel on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.5.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.6.3-2+squeeze2; sid: 0.7.3-2; wheezy: 0.7.3-2 |
| 22:40.42 | phuzion | i'd like the one from either sid or wheezy |
| 22:40.51 | dvs | !tell phuzion about ssb |
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| 22:42.07 | Rydekull | innociv: dig google.com +nssearch |
| 22:42.31 | innociv | I see no ip there. |
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| 22:44.35 | phuzion | dvs: dpkg says to not add a deb line, but a deb-src line, just curious, why? |
| 22:44.54 | dvs | phuzion: you want the source code, not the binary files |
| 22:45.56 | innociv | I see domains for nameservers. |
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| 22:46.28 | phuzion | dvs: why wouldn't I want the binary files? |
| 22:47.16 | dvs | phuzion: Because you want to compile against the libraries in Debian 6. The binary packages are compiled against the libraries in unstable |
| 22:47.31 | phuzion | ahh, gotcha |
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| 23:00.52 | thewanderer1 | uh, my wireless is disconnecting all the time (iwlwifi). am on kernel 3.3, own compile, and am using the firmware from Sid. pciid is 8086:0084. I have already disabled DHCP to no effect... |
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| 23:03.15 | dvs | thewanderer1: Oh? I'm not the only one? I used the ath9k and I experienced the same thing. |
| 23:03.50 | thewanderer1 | dvs: on a new kernel as well? and it didn't happen on 3.2? |
| 23:04.01 | dvs | thewanderer1: Nope. |
| 23:04.16 | thewanderer1 | is that a <yes, no> tuple? |
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| 23:05.03 | dvs | thewanderer1: I compiled a 3.3.1 kernel and it didn't work but my 3.2.13 kernel still worked. |
| 23:05.36 | thewanderer1 | aha. well, I only get a disconnect once per a few minutes, but it's pretty annoying |
| 23:05.49 | thewanderer1 | tried disabling power management, it doesn't change anything |
| 23:06.04 | thewanderer1 | do you get a "reason=3" message in dmesg as well? |
| 23:06.13 | dvs | I never checked. |
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| 23:11.31 | educr0w | How can I copy entire home directory? I tried tar czvf /home/myuser/*, tar cvf /home/myuser/*, with *.*, I tried cp -r /home/myuser/* and *.*, only copy 2 files and only compres the 2 files and one directory, I want to save all (.dirs, .files, dirs and files) |
| 23:12.22 | jelly-home | educr0w: copy the directory, not its contents. |
| 23:12.28 | dvs | educr0w: cp -a /home/myuser ? |
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| 23:12.56 | educr0w | I didn't try that :$ |
| 23:14.35 | educr0w | is a few steps away of migrating from arch to debian :D |
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| 23:16.38 | FDFlock | educr0w: I'd also add -p (preserve) to tar, like "cd /home; tar -cJvpf mytar.txz myusername/". Also, I'd log out and use a virtual terminal before that |
| 23:16.48 | FDFlock | so that all files would be closed |
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| 23:17.10 | Bartzy | hi |
| 23:17.18 | Bartzy | I would like to disable the annoying bell sound |
| 23:17.24 | Bartzy | only 'xset b off' sets it off |
| 23:17.36 | educr0w | FDFlock: ohh ok, I will do that |
| 23:17.36 | dvs | BarthezZ: blacklist pcspkr |
| 23:17.39 | Bartzy | I tried putting it in profile, but after waking up from sleep it comes on again |
| 23:17.43 | Bartzy | dvs: That doesn't help. |
| 23:17.48 | Bartzy | only xset b off helps. |
| 23:18.09 | FDFlock | educr0w: -J uses the excellent LZMA compression algorithm, like 7zip BTW |
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| 23:18.24 | FDFlock | only new versions of tar support it |
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| 23:19.33 | joltcan | I usually use -j for bzip2 and good compatibility |
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| 23:20.06 | magn3ts | How does one install/start a service in a DEB package? |
| 23:20.17 | NiLon | Bartzy open your case and rip off that speaker |
| 23:20.24 | Bartzy | NiLon: Lol |
| 23:20.29 | NiLon | no, really |
| 23:20.29 | FDFlock | joltcan: But xz is surrely better :) |
| 23:20.31 | Bartzy | NiLon: I just tried with gnome sound manager |
| 23:20.37 | Bartzy | NiLon: I prefer to just disable it... |
| 23:20.46 | Bartzy | sec I'm letting it sleep |
| 23:21.03 | NiLon | I prefer not to install it in first place or then cut wires if I can't do that |
| 23:21.13 | Bartzy | ahhh omg |
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| 23:21.18 | Bartzy | It fixed it |
| 23:21.20 | FDFlock | joltcan: Faster and better compression, faster decompression... Only problem, it needs up to 700MB RAM |
| 23:21.24 | Bartzy | Gnome sound thingie |
| 23:21.38 | dvs | ripping out the speaker? |
| 23:21.43 | Bartzy | You couldn't imagine how frustrating it is to hear it with headphones. |
| 23:21.57 | Bartzy | pretty painful :D |
| 23:22.00 | educr0w | FDFlock: how is that about virtual console? I don't know about that |
| 23:22.29 | NiLon | dvs yes |
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| 23:22.40 | NiLon | or then just hit it with hammer |
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| 23:23.27 | FDFlock | I meant logging out of Gnome (or whatever you are using) and pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 to login. This way you can be almost sure that no files are being written in your ~ during the making of the tar |
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| 23:23.43 | Bartzy | NiLon: It's a laptop :) |
| 23:23.52 | FDFlock | If you are paranoid, log in as root for that :) |
| 23:23.53 | NiLon | not a problem! |
| 23:23.57 | Bartzy | But I found an easy way |
| 23:24.16 | FDFlock | this way not even your shell progile files would be in use |
| 23:24.22 | educr0w | I start in tty1 then startx (exec ck-launch-session dbus-session openbox-session) |
| 23:24.23 | FDFlock | *profile |
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| 23:24.54 | FDFlock | educr0w: then I guess taking the backup before startx would be OK |
| 23:25.05 | educr0w | ok :) |
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| 23:28.30 | educr0w | FDFlock: I don't have permission to write in /home, if the file.txz is in myuser/ at the same time is compressing myuser/, will I get an error? |
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| 23:30.15 | educr0w | solved! |
| 23:30.32 | FDFlock | educr0w: tar has the "--exclude=..." option for that reason (among others); I don't know whether new versions of tar use it automatically |
| 23:30.43 | FDFlock | I don't think they do |
| 23:31.11 | FDFlock | but if you have no write perms, you could use sudo |
| 23:31.43 | FDFlock | this way you can be sure that even files with 000 permissions will get backed up |
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| 23:32.24 | educr0w | ohh ok |
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| 23:33.24 | educr0w | then, if I install debian from netinstall, then X server, openbox, console kit, dbus, etc, will I keep the .xinitrc like I have now? or is different with debian? |
| 23:33.51 | kevlarman | educr0w: .xinitrc is generally in your home |
| 23:34.00 | kevlarman | which the package manager obviously won't touch |
| 23:34.46 | FDFlock | is a Gnome user, uses only ~/.Xdefault for a few things |
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| 23:35.28 | kevlarman | FDFlock: unfortunately gnome requires software from he who breaks your audio :( |
| 23:35.42 | FDFlock | lol, yes, I know ;) |
| 23:36.15 | educr0w | yes, I know, but now I have "exec ck-launch-session dbus-session ~/.xstart" and .xstart has "openbox-session and other things", all this with arch, when I change to debian, is the same or is different? |
| 23:36.40 | educr0w | sorry $HOME/.xstart |
| 23:36.50 | kevlarman | educr0w: none of this is specific to any distro |
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| 23:37.37 | educr0w | ohh ok :) |
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| 23:44.07 | marsfligth | Please, can 'fsck.ext3' overwrite the files that are into a corrupted 'ext3' fs? Many thanks |
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| 23:46.34 | jelly-home | marsfligth: if you're asking whether fsck can make things worse, the answer is yes. |
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| 23:47.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps where do i need to look for pam libraries to silence some of the logging it is doing, when pam_unix fails? i thought there was a 'quiet' option i could use but i can't find it.. |
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| 23:48.28 | jelly-home | marsfligth: if you absolutely need to get data off of your filesystem, make two images of it. Keep one image safe and unchanged, keep the original disk safe and unchanged, and run recovery tools (including fsck) on a second image. |
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| 23:48.28 | FDFlock | marsfligth: Whatever you do, please take the whole image of the corrupt partition before starting! You can use dd for that. |
| 23:48.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | the issue is i have success for winbind but not unix and thats ok, i just want it to stopp loggin after that, or least not log so much its filling up my logs |
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| 23:48.52 | FDFlock | marsfligth: What jelly-home said is an even better approach |
| 23:49.01 | FDFlock | ...if you have the space |
| 23:49.18 | jelly-home | if you don't have space, buy or borrow it first. |
| 23:49.24 | marsfligth | jelly-home: Ok, but worses like overvrite files or only on inode etc? |
| 23:49.43 | DaveNull | fm |
| 23:49.43 | FDFlock | potentially both |
| 23:49.48 | jelly-home | marsfligth: files and direcories might completely disappear. |
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| 23:51.45 | marsfligth | jelly-home: it too late to make a copy, like 'dd'. Now im in panic. im valuating to tray with data recovery ... |
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| 23:52.45 | FDFlock | marsfligth: being in panic is not a good thing, please calm yourself and start after being able to think straight. |
| 23:53.06 | marsfligth | jelly-home: thanks to have been sincere |
| 23:53.07 | FDFlock | knows because he blew up his own files a few weeks ago |
| 23:53.32 | thewanderer1 | hmm, does GNOME seem to get its input stuck for anyone else when you apply one input, then another, then release the first one? (kind of resembles this XML situation: <a><b></a> ...) |
| 23:53.36 | jelly-home | nothing like a nice disaster to remind one to MAKE BACKUPS |
| 23:56.14 | FDFlock | thewanderer1: What input exactly? Also, I had some weird problems with Gnome today that looked like a misbehaving window manager. However restarting Metacity didn't help. Debian stable, Gnome 2.30 |
| 23:56.32 | FDFlock | might be related |
| 23:56.59 | thewanderer1 | FDFlock: any two of: touchpad, trackpoint, mouse, tablet |
| 23:57.10 | thewanderer1 | let's see if I can produce a simple test case... |
| 23:58.19 | thewanderer1 | IIRC it's been there forever |
| 23:58.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i used rsyslog to remove the lines from my auth and put the in another log i guess that will have to do for now |
