| 00:00.01 | Dulak | He listens real good. |
| 00:01.02 | Dulak | Yeah not as funny as I thought it would be. |
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| 00:02.46 | kfizz | If y'all are all "fukcing morons," what does that make him? :P |
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| 00:03.25 | streuner_ | "nobody is able to help and nobody listen to him..." |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | move along |
| 00:03.39 | dvs | nothing to see here |
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| 00:20.29 | drounse | hi, i just installed debian testing, how do i set up multiple mirrors to download from |
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| 00:22.51 | allorder | drounse: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ & https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ ? |
| 00:23.50 | drounse | allorder, thank you |
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| 00:24.37 | allorder | be careful |
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| 00:25.29 | lidenbrock | what is a good subversion client for debian? |
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| 00:26.07 | kevlarman | lidenbrock: i'd say the command line one, but svn is pretty terrible in general |
| 00:26.40 | drounse | allorder, i have deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ wheezy main and its super slow downloading stuff from |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | drounse: you can't do that |
| 00:27.01 | lidenbrock | kevlarman: i need the last version of mplayer :p |
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| 00:27.07 | lidenbrock | how can I get it using aptitude? |
| 00:27.15 | drounse | abrotman, thats what my sources.list says |
| 00:27.22 | drounse | i dont know why |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | drounse: you can only use one mirror at a time really .. |
| 00:28.19 | drounse | abrotman, which mirror should i use? this one is super slow |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | drounse: choose one near you |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | drounse: there's a good MIT mirror IIRC |
| 00:28.52 | drounse | well MIT is two towns over, but its really slow |
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| 00:29.26 | abrotman | towns .. |
| 00:29.48 | drounse | lol location wise im supeerclose to MIT |
| 00:29.54 | drounse | superclose* |
| 00:29.54 | lidenbrock | does anyone here got an updated version of mplayer to debian? |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | drounse: moment |
| 00:30.23 | Boohbah | lidenbrock: debian, in general, is not very updated |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | it's not ? |
| 00:30.37 | allorder | drounse: maybe try: netselect-apt |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | lidenbrock: which version do you have, which do you want? |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | allorder: that's a very slwo process .. and generally not worth it |
| 00:31.00 | allorder | abrotman: ok |
| 00:31.11 | drounse | allorder, is that a command? |
| 00:31.19 | allorder | drounse: forget it :P |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | drounse: give me a minute |
| 00:31.56 | drounse | abrotman, ok |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | drounse: i thought there was a umass mirror .. but i don't see it now |
| 00:33.23 | drounse | is there something i can run to find the closest? in ubuntu you can |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | drounse: yes, you can use "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
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| 00:34.24 | drounse | abrotman, should i change squeeze to wheezy? |
| 00:34.33 | kevlarman | abrotman: do any of those mirrors live inside ec2/s3? |
| 00:35.12 | abrotman | drounse: if oyu'r eusing wheezy, are you ? |
| 00:35.20 | drounse | abrotman, yes i am |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | drounse: then sure |
| 00:35.29 | drounse | ok |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | kevlarman: none that i know if .. not sure how well that'd work .. it'd be a ton of bandwidth |
| 00:35.54 | kevlarman | abrotman: that's exactly why i want one |
| 00:36.10 | kevlarman | currently stuck using ubuntu inside ec2 to save bandwidth |
| 00:36.50 | drounse | abrotman, so do i replace all of my repos with that? sorry i came from arch and this whole repo thing is really different |
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| 00:37.08 | abrotman | drounse: just the main one that says mit |
| 00:37.14 | drounse | abrotman, ok |
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| 00:41.07 | abrotman | drounse: any faster? |
| 00:41.27 | drounse | abrotman, im trying it now:) |
| 00:42.20 | lidenbrock | abrotman: I have the 1.0rc3-4.4.4 version of mplayer. I want the last one , but people are saying we can only get it using svn :p |
| 00:43.04 | drounse | abrotman, yes it is faster thank you |
| 00:43.34 | abrotman | drounse: that merely picks the "closest" mirror using geoip |
| 00:43.43 | abrotman | drounse: can you see which IP it's giving you ? |
| 00:43.52 | drounse | whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get |
| 00:44.00 | abrotman | !tell drounse about why aptitude |
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| 00:44.06 | cvr | lidenbrock: 1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0 is in wheezy |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | judd: versions mplayer |
| 00:44.10 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b1; sid-multimedia: |
| 00:44.11 | judd | 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0 |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | lidenbrock: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:45.03 | drounse | abrotman, 17.0.963.83 |
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| 00:45.55 | abrotman | try again ..... ? |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | 963 isn't a valid part of an IP |
| 00:46.52 | drounse | where would i find the ip? |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | aptitude update should spit it out IIRC |
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| 00:48.11 | drounse | im not seeing it:/ |
| 00:48.40 | abrotman | oh, guess not |
| 00:48.51 | drounse | should it say "Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en_US " |
| 00:49.13 | drounse | it seems like its going through every language |
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| 00:58.49 | lidenbrock | cvr: i use squeeze |
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| 01:01.55 | lidenbrock | should I update my sources.list to get that last version of mplayer? |
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| 01:02.35 | lidenbrock | brb |
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| 01:35.25 | reportingsjr | hmm, I'm running a new install of debian 6.0.4 and I'm having issues installing flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:35.54 | gnarface | reportingsjr: make sure you enabled contrib and non-free in your sources.list |
| 01:36.00 | reportingsjr | while installing it comes up with an error that wget is failing to download the the .asc key for flashplugn I guess? |
| 01:36.06 | reportingsjr | gnarface: yes, I enabled those. |
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| 01:36.36 | reportingsjr | let me reinstall to get the exact error |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | reportingsjr: the easiest way around that is to download it manually and alter the md5 it expects |
| 01:37.20 | reportingsjr | well, nevermind. I guess the issue has been fixed in the time I went to class. |
| 01:37.23 | reportingsjr | My apologies! |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | that's the way we roll around here .. |
| 01:37.47 | reportingsjr | haha |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | except dvs .. he's a little wonky .. but he's a drunken canadian |
| 01:37.58 | reportingsjr | hmm, I do have another question.. |
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| 01:38.30 | reportingsjr | now that I think of it I actually upgraded to wheezy, so I'm running gnome shell. It appears to me that the font in certain areas is very fuzzy. Any way to fix this? |
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| 01:39.07 | dvs | huh? *hiccup* |
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| 01:39.52 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:40.22 | gnarface | reportingsjr: probably *not* however if you set your dpi manually instead of letting xorg try to guess and make sure you have some *good* fonts available, *maybe* |
| 01:41.05 | gnarface | reportingsjr: (the best way to find out your display DPI is to check the user manual provided by the manufacturer. you can get a rough estimate with some math and a tape measure though) |
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| 01:41.27 | reportingsjr | gnarface: hmm, why would it have changed when going to gnome shell? |
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| 01:42.21 | gnarface | reportingsjr: every shell is different, every font is different, and an Xorg update may have changed the auto-detection mechanism to be more (or less) accurate |
| 01:42.58 | gnarface | reportingsjr: you can check your Xorg.log to figure out what it chose and why |
| 01:43.15 | gnarface | reportingsjr: it may just be the font |
| 01:43.19 | gnarface | reportingsjr: you may be able to change it |
| 01:44.10 | reportingsjr | gnarface: alright, thanks! |
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| 01:45.52 | karsten | Um. Is there a FAQ on why the Debian-packaged gem utility stashes Ruby gems in /var/lib/gems rather than someplace sane like /usr/local/lib/gems? And yes, I've found a bug report discussing this (still working my way through the threads): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448639 |
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| 01:46.20 | cantido | why would packaged stuff go in /usr/local/? |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | cantido: they're not packaged .. the gem utility is packaged |
| 01:47.01 | cantido | ah, misread |
| 01:48.00 | karsten | cantido: It's not packaged stuff. |
| 01:48.01 | cantido | still, isn't /usr/local explicitly for user stuff, i.e. dpkg, gem etc shouldn't be putting stuff there |
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| 01:48.25 | karsten | cantido: it's a package (gem is part of mumble ruby) that installs and manages third-party packages (Ruby gems) for the local installation. |
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| 01:48.44 | karsten | cantido: Effectively, this is a packaged tool for managing third-party, local, software. |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | karsten: lte's compare .. where does dh_makeperl put stuff? |
| 01:49.36 | karsten | This message actually lays out the argument I'd make pretty damned much verbatim, though I'd use more F-bombs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448639#47 |
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| 01:49.44 | karsten | abrotman: NFC |
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| 01:50.09 | karsten | abrotman: Though AFAIR, CPAN installs to /usr/local as it should. |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | cpan isn't dhmakeperl ? |
| 01:51.59 | karsten | No, but it's a Perl-related packaging tool that Does The Right Thing on debian. |
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| 01:57.45 | cantido | that whole bug report seems to point to them deciding to put it in /usr/local/.. |
| 01:57.56 | karsten | More ironic in that we're bumping into this on account of chef. And the primary chef dev is on that bug. |
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| 01:58.25 | abrotman | why would chef care? |
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| 02:03.02 | karsten | chef is written in ruby |
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| 02:03.25 | karsten | It's also dependent on gems that aren't packaged by Debian yet, so you'd have to install them from other sources. |
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| 02:03.41 | lidenbrock | hi. I need the last version of mplayer. Is it possible to get it using the aptitude command? |
| 02:04.15 | karsten | I'm not ruby-1337 enough to know where all this stuff comes from, but my Debian-Spidey senses are tingling. |
| 02:04.28 | karsten | !tell lidenbrock about backports |
| 02:04.30 | nevyn | karsten: as well they should. |
| 02:04.34 | karsten | !tell lidenbrock about dss |
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| 02:05.02 | nevyn | mentions in passing his hate for secondary package management systems. |
| 02:05.03 | abrotman | i already told him about backports .. apparently he didn't care? |
| 02:05.07 | karsten | nevyn: Yeah. This is Just Wrong[tm]. Total clusterfuck in the making. Actually, the bug makes good reading. I'm dying to see how it all comes out. |
| 02:05.20 | cantido | thought most ruby people just installed their own local version of ruby anyhow.. |
| 02:05.35 | nevyn | cantido: bad -> worse |
| 02:05.46 | gnarface | most ruby people tried to install their own local version and couldn't |
| 02:05.52 | gnarface | then bought a mac and installed their own local version on that |
| 02:05.57 | karsten | cantido: I haet haet haet haet having to manually and individually maintain and update software. |
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| 02:06.11 | cantido | nevyn: all the ruby people I know install this weird "enterprise" build thing |
| 02:06.25 | karsten | cantido: Especially software that I'm using to manage enterprise infrastructure. |
| 02:06.28 | scientes_ | cantido, ruby1.9 is alot better than that |
| 02:06.41 | scientes_ | cantido, thats just a differn't garbage collector for 1.8 series |
| 02:06.46 | cantido | scientes_: I haven't touched ruby in ages thankfully :) |
| 02:06.50 | gnarface | ruby: "we don't like linux so we're gonna reimplement it entirely in our scripting language" |
| 02:06.55 | karsten | This is my 2nd encounter with ruby packaging, and I'm still not particularly impressed by it. |
| 02:06.59 | karsten | gnarface: Heh. |
| 02:07.07 | scientes_ | gnarface, you like bash? |
| 02:07.12 | karsten | Yeah. The old shop was mostly devs on macs. |
| 02:07.16 | cantido | gnarface: what parts of linux is ruby re-implementing? |
| 02:07.21 | scientes_ | karakedi, the ruby people use gem |
| 02:07.23 | gnarface | cantido: the packaging system |
| 02:07.28 | gnarface | scientes_: yes, relevance? |
| 02:07.30 | cantido | gnarface: that isn't linux |
| 02:07.30 | karsten | cantido: The smug attitude. |
| 02:07.31 | lidenbrock | karsten: what does this have to do with my question? |
| 02:07.38 | scientes_ | and they use rvm for added insanity |
| 02:08.19 | gnarface | cantido: neither is anything outside of the kernel, especially distro-specific stuff. but you're splitting hairs there and would object just as quickly over the pedantry of saying "GNU/Linux" |
| 02:08.33 | karsten | levi501d: If you want to install a new(er) version of software, first find out if it's in your release's repo. If it's not, you may find it in either the backports archive, or yu cane build from source using sid. |
| 02:08.43 | cantido | gnarface: packaging isn't really GNU/linux either is it.. |
| 02:08.55 | karsten | lidYou haven't told us what Debian release you're running, , and apparently abrotman told you this already. So, we're sort of at an impass. |
| 02:09.06 | cantido | gnarface: having a packaing system just for ruby isn't all that insane IMHO |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | lidenbrock: read the docs at backports.debian.org .. there's a newer (not the newest) mplayer there .. see if it suits your needs |
| 02:09.21 | lidenbrock | karsten: I'm running Squeeze 6.04 |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | 6.0.4 |
| 02:09.30 | lidenbrock | abrotman: ok |
| 02:09.38 | cantido | debian-multimedia might have newer versions too |
| 02:09.56 | gnarface | cantido: clearly. but clearly you've never tried to deploy it on an enterprise system where it has to play nice with (*gasp* i know, terrifying!) other software |
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| 02:10.12 | karsten | lidenbrock: Well, that would be stable. Have you found the version of mplayer you want, say, on packages.debian.org? |
| 02:10.23 | lidenbrock | nope |
| 02:10.25 | abrotman | judd: versions mplayer |
| 02:10.26 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b1; sid-multimedia: |
| 02:10.27 | judd | 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0 |
| 02:10.29 | lidenbrock | oh, yeah |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | there they all are! |
| 02:10.36 | cantido | gnarface: the main issue for ruby is that stuff seems to change ever five minutes, so packaging all those gems etc and freezing them isn't going to be possible |
| 02:10.49 | nevyn | cantido: gem, pear, cpan burn the lot I say. |
| 02:10.52 | cantido | s/ever/every/ |
| 02:10.53 | karsten | hands lidenbrock a homework assignment and a timer set for 3 hours from now. |
| 02:11.06 | gnarface | cantido: that's a disciplinary problem upstream, nothing more |
| 02:11.20 | nevyn | eclipses horror as well. |
| 02:11.40 | cantido | gnarface: I don't think many ruby devs care as much as most debian users/admins heh |
| 02:12.03 | karsten | cantido: ... in which case, what you need is 1) a sane dependencies system so that you can actually write stable enterprisey shit, and 2) a package managemet system that both a) accomodates the changes and b) doesn't fuck with established system package management by Z) reinventing the fucking square wheel. |
| 02:12.15 | karsten | nevyn: What's pear? |
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| 02:12.20 | pavlx | hi |
| 02:12.22 | cantido | some dev stuff in debian is seriously out of date, which is fine for installing existing software.. but not so great for doing dev |
| 02:12.28 | nevyn | karsten: php's thing |
| 02:12.29 | gnarface | cantido: this is also clear, and its frustrating to me because i'd like to be able to use ruby more but my clients don't want to have anything to do with it because there's no stable api to track. |
| 02:12.34 | Dulak | karsten: the php version of cpan |
| 02:12.42 | pavlx | how to create a file *.c by shell ? |
| 02:12.52 | karsten | !tell lidenbrock about ssb |
| 02:12.56 | nevyn | pavlx: touch \*.c but I doubt you want to do that. |
| 02:12.59 | karsten | Ouch. |
| 02:13.01 | pavlx | thanks |
| 02:13.11 | karsten | Dulak: ^^ |
| 02:13.13 | pavlx | yes |
| 02:13.17 | nevyn | pavlx: as in that's probably a bad move. |
| 02:13.18 | cantido | karsten: you mean maybe have a stable repo sort of thing inside gem? |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | karsten: you realize bpo and sid are almost hte same version ? |
| 02:13.28 | pavlx | what is \ |
| 02:13.34 | cantido | pavlx: escape |
| 02:13.40 | vaco | I am looking into installing virtualbox on my debian 6 (squeeze). I see that 4.1.12 is available, but debian's states that VirtualBox OSE 3.2.10 is packaged for Squeeze. What do you guys think I should do or recommend? |
| 02:13.50 | pavlx | why a bad move ? |
| 02:14.00 | cantido | vaco: if you want USB support use the versions in the virtualbox repo |
| 02:14.16 | karsten | abrotman: I haven't kept close tabs on it. My understanding of bpo is that it's packages written for prior releases, where sid packages probably will fail to install for various deps. |
| 02:14.24 | cantido | pavlx: why would you want a source file name "*.c"? |
| 02:14.33 | karsten | pavlx: You asked how to create a file including the wildcard character '*'. |
| 02:14.42 | pavlx | because i must to write in c |
| 02:14.44 | nevyn | tho I do like FPM that seems like something at least reasonable for dealing with this crap. |
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| 02:14.46 | karsten | pavlx: A file literally named '*.c' would be a really shitty file to have. |
| 02:14.50 | vaco | cantido, thank you. |
| 02:14.58 | karsten | pavlx: Are you asing how you can write C code, generally? |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | karsten: the bot spit it out |
| 02:15.27 | abrotman | pavlx: they're trying to tell you that you don't want a file literally called "*.c" |
| 02:15.30 | karsten | abrotman: Which one's the bot these days? |
| 02:15.45 | cantido | gnarface: I haven't done anything in ruby, but I don't get the sense that it's a tried and tested product yet |
| 02:15.52 | abrotman | judd: versions mplayer |
| 02:15.53 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b1; sid-multimedia: |
| 02:15.54 | judd | 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0 |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | for the 4rdthtime |
| 02:16.11 | nevyn | pavlx: is english your first language? |
| 02:16.20 | Dulak | vaco: if you need usb in virtualbox skip the OSE and get the proprietary version straight from oracle |
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| 02:16.56 | karsten | nevyn: I'm guessing Italian probably is. |
| 02:17.06 | gnarface | cantido: unfortunately neither does anyone else who has to run multiple machines at once but believe it or not this statement would shock the shit out of ruby devs |
| 02:17.07 | karsten | nevyn: ... or at least is higher up the stack. |
| 02:17.12 | nevyn | right. |
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| 02:18.50 | cantido | gnarface: I don't think I can count the amount of times our ruby dev has updated most of ruby to fix some weird issue.. I think he would cry a lot if he had to run ruby from squeeze |
| 02:19.54 | karsten | cantido: Sure. But what about your clients? |
| 02:20.05 | nevyn | and what's your backout strategy for that. |
| 02:20.17 | nevyn | and what's the impact if theupdate goes pearshaped. |
| 02:20.21 | karsten | (assuming, say, traditional software or embedded device distribution). |
| 02:20.32 | cantido | karsten: this is start up 2.0 stuff |
| 02:20.53 | cantido | nevyn: doesn't matter so much in web 2.0 world |
| 02:21.10 | nevyn | right where we suspend all the rules of production systems until we wakeup one day and realise that bad release cost us $4 million bucks |
| 02:21.46 | Dulak | I'd say it matters more post 2.0 than it did before, myself. |
| 02:22.04 | cantido | nevyn: a lot of places don't have proper infrastructure etc these days.. the just install hacky apps on whatever cloud host is the cheapest and forget about it until it explodes |
| 02:22.10 | Dulak | DVCS changed everything. |
| 02:22.57 | cantido | nevyn: stable releases don't exist for this stuff IMHO |
| 02:23.44 | cantido | a lot of the stuff in debian doesn't really have "stable" releases upstream either though.. ;) |
| 02:23.47 | nevyn | cantido: so web 2.0 with continuous release and TDD and blah blah |
| 02:23.55 | cantido | nevyn: yep |
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| 02:24.17 | cantido | nevyn: you need to throw in some words like "agile" but that's the basic concept |
| 02:25.01 | nevyn | oh isn't agile dead. it's all about scrumm and extreme programming |
| 02:25.05 | Dulak | That's startup talk though, you do that before you need to scale. Once you need to scale that will kick you in the teeth more often than not. |
| 02:25.14 | nevyn | Dulak: right. |
| 02:25.27 | nevyn | so for a while throwing hardware at stuff will work. |
| 02:25.39 | cantido | Dulak: then you have to rewrite all of your stuff with sensible tools |
| 02:25.47 | cantido | Dulak: or rewrite the tools |
| 02:25.50 | nevyn | well not sensible tools crazy tools |
| 02:25.56 | nevyn | like hadoop and nosql and stuff. |
| 02:26.12 | nevyn | which nobody in their right mind would use unless they had to to scale |
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| 02:26.56 | karsten | And answering my question on ruby gems locations, this was fixed in 1.9.2.180-5: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/ruby1.9.1/ruby1.9.1_1.9.3.0-2/changelog |
| 02:27.05 | cantido | nevyn: eh, I thought hadoop was all about scaling ;) |
| 02:27.25 | karsten | cantido: yeah. In which case the only guy who gets to suffer si the systems admin. |
| 02:27.39 | karsten | cantido: ... and keeping the whole dev staff on the right version(s). |
| 02:27.40 | nevyn | cantido: they are. |
| 02:28.00 | cantido | karsten: or only have one ruby dev |
| 02:28.04 | nevyn | oh jsnode that shit can die in a fire too from what I hear |
| 02:28.15 | nevyn | cantido: they'll still want a new infrastructure for every release |
| 02:28.25 | cantido | nevyn: cloud hosting is cheap |
| 02:28.29 | karsten | cantido: That's a low bus number. |
| 02:28.37 | cantido | nevyn: doesn't need beardy admins etc |
| 02:28.57 | nevyn | cantido: doesn't need beardy admins.. right. |
| 02:29.02 | karsten | cantido: There's a difference between simple and easy. |
| 02:29.07 | nevyn | because dev's can run production systems just fine. |
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| 02:29.11 | cantido | nevyn: everyone is sysadmin now |
| 02:29.22 | nevyn | yeah sure. |
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| 02:30.03 | Dulak | I encourage this attitude, so when stuff blows up you can pay me and my kind double rates to clean it up. |
| 02:30.09 | cantido | if you can fire up an ubuntu instance on ec2 or whatever, you're a sysadmin ;) |
| 02:30.18 | nevyn | right... |
| 02:30.21 | nevyn | uh-huh |
| 02:30.32 | Dulak | Break all the things! |
| 02:30.38 | cantido | guesses nevyn doesn't work with startups or anything new and fancy |
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| 02:31.46 | nevyn | cantido: I don't work with anything that needs to scale. |
| 02:31.59 | Dulak | You guys are talking two different languages. Breaking a new market is much different than harvesting an established market. There are going to be few businesses that can keep the startup thing going at scale. There are a few big names that do/did it but they are the exception, not the rule. |
| 02:32.07 | nevyn | people think scaling means 200,000 seats here. whcih isn't scaling |
| 02:32.39 | nevyn | sql is still perfectly functional and fine at 200,000 seats |
| 02:33.10 | cantido | nevyn: scaling means it can work with one concurrent and still work with more concurrents.. random numbers mean nothing without any context |
| 02:33.37 | abrotman | wtf conversation is this ? |
| 02:33.42 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 02:34.05 | cantido | abrotman: ruby in production environments |
| 02:34.11 | nevyn | abrotman: a very OT one |
| 02:34.32 | cantido | nevyn: serving websites is different to serving other services.. scaling is totally different |
| 02:35.23 | nevyn | cantido: yes and no. if your a maker of widgets in wyoming your website doesn't need to scale like google or ebay |
| 02:35.27 | nevyn | it just doesn't need to |
| 02:35.48 | karsten | abrotman: Internet wang comparisons. |
| 02:38.27 | cantido | karsten: not really, I'm just saying this production environment thing doesn't really exist for a lot of people now |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | tell my bosses that |
| 02:40.51 | cantido | again, depends on the business |
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| 02:41.45 | cantido | doesn't think many nuclear reactors are running control systems written in Ruby |
| 02:42.00 | gnarface | heh |
| 02:42.05 | gnarface | no their control systems are written in visual basic |
| 02:42.10 | nevyn | ada |
| 02:42.16 | cantido | gnarface: wouldn't surprise me heh |
| 02:42.29 | cantido | gnarface: it needs to be at least 20+ years old in most cases though |
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| 02:59.03 | james3rd | I'm using sid with latest squashfs-tools (mksquashfs reports version 4.2) and I need to create a squashfs filesystem compatible with 3.0. Anyone know how to do this? With previous squashfs-tools, you'd append -3.0 to the command line; I don't see that as an option anymore. |
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| 03:02.18 | somiaj | james3rd: have you tried to read the manpage? |
| 03:03.10 | vaco | I just installed VirtualBox 4.1.12. I got this error from the gui and decided to try and run it from the terminal and well can you guys help me out? http://pastebin.com/ZJWUBsBP |
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| 03:03.40 | cantido | vaco: install the kernel headers and then do what it tells you to do |
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| 03:04.42 | simonlnu | "what's a manpage?" |
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| 03:08.21 | vaco | simonlnu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page |
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| 03:20.36 | james3rd | somiaj: man mksquashfs is "unhelpful" with regards to version compatibility. |
| 03:21.24 | james3rd | somiaj: My apologies for wandering off there, I'm still searching around. |
| 03:21.40 | somiaj | james3rd: well usually it lists all the possible options, if there isn't an option in there I would complain to their documentation. also 'command --help' will sometimes list all the possible options a command will take |
| 03:22.43 | james3rd | somiaj: I did do that. The -$version # option is gone. |
| 03:23.30 | james3rd | The -$version option wasn't in the manpage of the prior release, either, IIRC. |
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| 03:23.51 | somiaj | james3rd: hmm well seems there is a bug saying the manpage is out o date. |
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| 03:24.13 | somiaj | well the man pages I found on google all have a -2.0 option, but these are man pages from like 2005, I don't have the ability to see the current one |
| 03:25.27 | james3rd | somiaj: I've seen those, they're previous to the previous :) |
| 03:25.53 | james3rd | somiaj: Tjat |
| 03:26.24 | james3rd | somiaj: *that* is part of running sid, sometimes. Thank you, anyway. |
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| 03:27.15 | somiaj | james3rd: have you tried the changelog? If they took out an privious working '-3.0' option sometimes it is documented in the changelog |
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| 03:27.27 | wipt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.28 | james3rd | somiaj: I'm digging in there now. |
| 03:28.00 | somiaj | wipt: lenny has reached it's end of life and is no longer on the mirrors, read the /topic please |
| 03:28.03 | wipt | I changed the time, it was something like 1956 (does the UNIX epoch even go back that far?! |
| 03:28.06 | somiaj | wipt: also check out archive.debian.org |
| 03:28.08 | Dulak | wipt: lenny is in the archive now |
| 03:28.14 | wipt | oh, shoot |
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| 03:28.54 | wipt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.20 | somiaj | that is only if you want to upgrade (you should consider it but if it is a production machine do a trial run first) |
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| 03:29.57 | somiaj | you can get the latest lenny packges from archive.debian.org (note there will be no more security/bug fixes, but you can get the packages as they were at the time it hit its EOL |
| 03:30.05 | wipt | ok |
| 03:30.34 | cantido | looks like you're on powerpc too, you might want to be extra careful when you upgrade the kernel |
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| 03:30.41 | cantido | non-x86 stuff is a lot less tested |
| 03:31.01 | wipt | :/ |
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| 03:31.54 | Dulak | wipt: Unix time has the epoch at January 1, 1970 so 1956 would be a negative number. |
| 03:32.01 | wipt | sighs, looks like I'll have to boot another box to do homework |
| 03:32.24 | somiaj | just cahve your sources.list |
| 03:32.27 | somiaj | to use archive.debian.org |
| 03:32.46 | somiaj | things will work, they just won't have security updates, not a big deal for a desktop/laptop |
| 03:33.28 | cantido | Dulak: I think the time is a uint32 on most systems.. so it shouldn't go backwards heh |
| 03:34.41 | cantido | mm according to wikipedia it's an int32.. mm |
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| 03:37.11 | lidenbrock | Hi. I need an mpeg 4.4.2 decoder plugin |
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| 03:39.07 | wipt | presses up, vi puts A, presses down, vi puts B, newline, newline, presses backspace puts cursor back one place |
| 03:39.27 | wipt | that's... not normal |
| 03:39.54 | cantido | does exits vi .. starts nano come after that? |
| 03:40.32 | Dulak | wipt: you gotta set a weird vt for old macs. vt220 iirc will give you arrows and things will generally work |
| 03:41.29 | Dulak | Been a long time since I was on a ppc mac though I remember having to do something for arrow keys to work, I am just fuzzy about the details |
| 03:41.59 | wipt | I'm sshing in with putty, idk how that would affect it. I don't remember this being an issues before, either |
| 03:42.01 | peterrooney | wipt, there is also the #debianppc channel (which i suspect from your 1956 date) |
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| 03:42.30 | Dulak | wipt: exit vim and check your shell's $TERM |
| 03:42.32 | peterrooney | Dulak: someone once pointed out that linux on powerpc was a continuous IQ test |
| 03:42.48 | xavier__ | Hi. Is anyone familiar with shorewall firewall and PPPoE. I would like to know the debian way of having the firewall to start after the PPPoE connection is established. |
| 03:42.58 | cantido | peterrooney: where does it get that date from? |
| 03:43.01 | Dulak | peterrooney: I believe it. |
| 03:43.32 | Dulak | It's either Woz or Jobs' birthday iirc |
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| 03:44.00 | cantido | Dulak: the RTC defaults to it if it loses battery power? heh |
| 03:44.06 | peterrooney | cantido: it's the default nvram date |
| 03:44.15 | Dulak | I think it is woz's birthday |
| 03:44.19 | peterrooney | IIRC, it's the birthdate of somebody important |
| 03:44.29 | Dulak | Jobs was 1955, |
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| 03:44.47 | wipt | Dulak: xterm |
| 03:45.10 | cantido | mmm at least it still turns on, some of the ppc powerbooks seem to be totally dead if the nvram battery has given up |
| 03:45.35 | wipt | this is a blue G3 (400Mhz) |
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| 03:45.52 | Dulak | wipt: export TERM=vt102 then try vim again and see if that fixes the arrows |
| 03:46.04 | wipt | haven't managed to get anything working on my 8500/150 |
| 03:46.44 | wipt | Dulak: nope |
| 03:46.53 | Dulak | wipt: try vt220 then |
| 03:47.11 | Dulak | wipt: if that doesn't work I really don't remember what I had to do for that |
| 03:47.23 | wipt | Dulak, success |
| 03:48.29 | Dulak | There is a setting in PUTTY so it will force the TERM when you connect, that will make it so you don't have to set it manually everytime. |
| 03:49.28 | wipt | Dulak, that's based on the hostname? currently hostname isn't showing up on the network for this machine, not sure why |
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| 03:50.13 | lidenbrock | I need an plugin for microsoft 4.4.2 mpeg |
| 03:50.29 | Dulak | wipt: no you can change settings, then save the session under a name so you can reconnect fast, somewhere in there is a way to force it to set TERM to vt220 |
| 03:50.32 | cantido | lidenbrock: isn't that divx? |
| 03:50.47 | wipt | yeah, vi is still doing retarded stuff |
| 03:50.52 | wipt | other things, though |
| 03:51.17 | Dulak | vt220 might not have been the one then. There is a bunch of them. |
| 03:51.24 | peterrooney | wipt: I've got squeeze going on the "Blue and White" G3, with an ADB keyboard no less (about 2 years ago). the console-data package can help with setting up your keymaps. |
| 03:51.26 | wipt | I'll just do a fresh install in the future |
| 03:51.50 | peterrooney | wipt, console-data and ... loadkeys, IIRC. |
| 03:52.30 | lidenbrock | cantido: I don't know |
| 03:52.33 | wipt | petemc, a few years back I had it running well with IonWM. that was like 6 years ago, though. |
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| 03:53.30 | Dulak | wipt: putty has some keyboard settings too, like forcing keys and control keys to default to linux. I'm pretty sure I solved the issue in the putty settings, not on the server. |
| 03:53.46 | Dulak | wipt: setting TERM manually was just troubleshooting, not a solution. |
| 03:54.36 | wipt | many thanks for your help! |
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| 04:02.41 | pbase | when approximately is wheezy going stable?? |
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| 04:06.18 | sanitypassing | dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdc1 should be enough to make a bootable USB, right? |
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| 04:07.30 | cantido | sanitypassing: um.. I don't think that's going to work |
| 04:07.40 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 04:07.43 | sanitypassing | what can I do then? |
| 04:07.47 | cantido | sanitypassing: read the docs that come with the hd-media stuff, or use unetbootin |
| 04:07.51 | sanitypassing | (I'm on Ubuntu currently) |
| 04:07.54 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 04:08.36 | cantido | sanitypassing: unetbootin will take the iso and make a bootable usb setup.. so you don't need to download anything extra |
| 04:08.47 | sanitypassing | Ok |
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| 04:12.29 | somiaj | sanitypassing: for debian isos it would work, but you may have to cat it to /dev/sdc (for bootloader reasons) |
| 04:12.52 | cantido | somiaj: they'll boot from harddisk/usb? |
| 04:12.54 | somiaj | cantido: debian provides hybrid iso's which can be written directaly to usb media for booting. |
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| 04:13.03 | cantido | oh cool :) |
| 04:13.06 | sanitypassing | so dd ... will work? |
| 04:13.14 | cantido | apparently so |
| 04:13.28 | somiaj | though I belive you have to write the to the actual device (not just a partition on the device). If you want to partition it up or have more control, you can put a custom grub on your usb drive |
| 04:13.28 | sanitypassing | well shit, that saves me time. Hell of lot easier. |
| 04:13.55 | somiaj | and with a custom grub on that usb drive configre it to boot from an iso in a file system directally |
| 04:14.02 | sanitypassing | how do I know if I'm writing to the actual device, andn ot a partition? |
| 04:14.03 | Sean-Der | What is the correct way to set fonts for X? It is a single user system and I want to use Terminus as the default font |
| 04:14.11 | somiaj | sanitypassing: /dev/sdc vs /dev/sdc1 |
| 04:14.13 | cantido | sanitypassing: /dev/sdc -- device |
| 04:14.17 | sanitypassing | ok. |
| 04:14.36 | cantido | wonders how that works.. |
| 04:14.40 | sanitypassing | so then my first command was correct? |
| 04:15.10 | cantido | sanitypassing: no, you're writing to the partition.. knock off the 1 |
| 04:15.15 | sanitypassing | oh, ok |
| 04:15.33 | somiaj | sanitypassing: note writing to /dev/sdc will destory the partition table. |
| 04:15.38 | cantido | sanitypassing: that will kill the partition table though, so don't do it if you want to keep stuff on there |
| 04:15.56 | sanitypassing | the only thing on it is a bootable ubuntu installer. :) |
| 04:16.23 | sanitypassing | I keep all important data on an 500 GB external drive. |
| 04:16.31 | cantido | wishes it was as easy as that to create USB installers last time he installed.. |
| 04:16.50 | sanitypassing | and anything *really* important (ssh keys, for example) is encrypted and uploaded to dropbox |
| 04:17.07 | somiaj | cantido: if you grab the usb-hdd images from live.debian.net you can partition the rest of the drive as another parition so you have a live system/installer with extra space |
| 04:17.16 | somiaj | cantido: though windows doesn't like that second partition. :/ |
| 04:17.36 | cantido | sanitypassing: a LUKS encrypted usb drive is really good for that.. KDE can do the unlocking etc :) |
| 04:17.58 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 04:18.03 | sanitypassing | I'll have to look into that |
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| 04:18.57 | cantido | somiaj: might play with that next time I install a machine that doesn't have a CD drive |
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| 04:19.39 | cantido | the only machines I've installed recently are ones you have to bring up with debootstrap on another machine |
| 04:19.58 | sanitypassing | hmm, dd sure likes to take it's time. |
| 04:20.12 | cantido | sanitypassing: writing to usb flash isn't fast |
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| 04:20.23 | somiaj | cantido: I think a custom grub in which you can just point it at various images on the partition, that way you can change the image fairly easy, or have multiple options. |
| 04:20.25 | sanitypassing | yeah |
| 04:20.38 | sanitypassing | still, taking forever. D: |
| 04:21.00 | cantido | sanitypassing: I would run sync after it's finished to make sure it actually got written too :) |
| 04:21.16 | sanitypassing | just sync /dev/sdc? |
| 04:21.22 | cantido | just sync |
| 04:21.25 | sanitypassing | ok. |
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| 04:21.37 | onyx | when doing an apt-get update, I am waiting ages, with loads of Translation entries appearing. How to get rid of them? |
| 04:21.53 | cantido | somiaj: I'm not sure what I would do with multiple images, stable and testing on the same drive could be handy |
| 04:23.18 | somiaj | cantido: I would use it more just so I didn't have to deal with different size images and repartionting the drive each upgrade. |
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| 04:24.36 | cantido | I'd get it all setup and end up using the flash drive for something else before I actually get to use it heh |
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| 04:27.54 | nsadmin | onyx, you don't... if these are packages what you want depends on, you have no choice if you want to still have debian (meaning its package database remaining stable) |
| 04:28.39 | cantido | nsadmin: the translation things download with the package lists.. |
| 04:30.16 | nsadmin | what are they for exactly? |
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| 04:30.37 | cantido | no idea |
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| 04:30.44 | sanitypassing | ok, it's finish copying, and I entered "sync", and got no output. Is this good, I assume? |
| 04:30.52 | cantido | sanitypassing: yep |
| 04:30.52 | sanitypassing | ls |
| 04:30.57 | sanitypassing | err, wrong window |
| 04:31.00 | sanitypassing | ok, thanks |
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| 04:55.21 | hanibana | how can I see the packets (for example by tcpdump) AFTER DNAT applied by iptables DNAT rule? |
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| 04:56.12 | nevyn | tcpdump on the internal interface? |
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| 04:56.33 | nevyn | or use a iptables rule to route to a userspace socket. |
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| 04:58.59 | hanibana | nevyn: I get tcpdump with "-i any" (all nics), but don't see packet be NATed. |
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| 05:00.56 | mactimes | Hi. I'm taking lessons on how to create linux device drivers and I'm facing an issue. Here are the instructions I've received, but it seems that something is wrong. http://pastebin.com/92hykR8u |
| 05:01.53 | mactimes | It says "hellok" and "byek" are undeclared. |
| 05:02.26 | nevyn | mactimes: you need a space between static and int |
| 05:02.28 | cantido | mactimes: you don't seem to have spaces between static and int and static and void |
| 05:02.29 | nevyn | and static and void |
| 05:03.11 | cantido | if you don't really know any C or linux internals writing kernel code is not for you.. |
| 05:03.29 | nevyn | this seems like not the place to start learning C |
| 05:03.47 | mactimes | nevyn cantido I've seen that before, and even if I fix that, I have the same issue. |
| 05:04.25 | nevyn | mactimes: in line 17 staticint should be static int |
| 05:04.29 | nevyn | you fixed this already? |
| 05:04.41 | nevyn | and you get the same issue that hellok isn't defined? |
| 05:05.29 | mactimes | nevyn Yeah. Sorry if I pasted the original code. The one running on the VM is correct. The one running in the VM has the correct return types. |
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| 05:06.25 | mactimes | nevyn I'm not learning C, but I've never written code for kernel modules before. That's what I'm learning. |
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| 05:06.52 | nevyn | can you paste the code that doesn't compile? |
| 05:07.02 | nevyn | or update the pastebin? |
| 05:07.02 | cantido | the printk's look weird to me too.. isn't there meant to be a comma in there.. or is the level a macro? |
| 05:07.13 | mactimes | nevyn Sure. Let me just setup ssh server on the VM. |
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| 05:07.40 | nevyn | there should absolutely be a , I think |
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| 05:07.48 | nevyn | !ops Chat5118 |
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| 05:08.28 | dax | Chat5118: cut that out, please. |
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| 05:08.54 | cantido | nevyn: KERN_ALERT etc just define strings it seems |
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| 05:09.22 | nevyn | cantido: but doesn't printk, take a loglevel and a string? |
| 05:09.23 | Chat5118 | Bgb |
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| 05:09.28 | nevyn | ie two arguments. |
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| 05:09.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ltl complains about: Chat5118 chan flooding |
| 05:10.02 | cantido | nevyn: it doesn't seem so, it uses the same thing (level string + format) in the printk header |
| 05:10.23 | cantido | nevyn: I guess it's printf or whatever that is doing the work takes the level from the start of the string |
| 05:10.41 | nevyn | so how are they concatenated? |
| 05:10.48 | nevyn | it has to be two arguments... |
| 05:11.49 | LtL | ChanServ: appreciate the quiet time. don't be a dick. |
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| 05:12.00 | cantido | nevyn: "string""string" becomes a single arg.. |
| 05:12.14 | LtL | didnt see him leave |
| 05:12.41 | mactimes | nevyn Here: http://pastebin.com/qnhXrNi1 |
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| 05:13.48 | mactimes | nevyn Sorry for the mess in the previous source, but the instructor is sort of a "clown" and inserts f**ing "smiles" in the printed messages too... |
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| 05:14.34 | simonlnu | it's back |
| 05:15.03 | Chat5118 | Saturday ssss |
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| 05:15.13 | simonlnu | !ops Chat5118 |
| 05:15.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: Chat5118 |
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| 05:15.27 | simonlnu | thank you \o/ |
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| 05:16.25 | rgwu | he must not like debian |
| 05:16.31 | cantido | mactimes: that looks fine to me.. |
| 05:16.34 | mactimes | nevyn I fixed the code here. Thank you for your time. |
| 05:16.51 | nevyn | mactimes: what was wrong? |
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| 05:17.21 | mactimes | cantido In fact, it is not. The dumb instructor is too worried about inserting f**ing smiles in the code than putting correct ";" in the end of the instructions. |
| 05:17.52 | mactimes | nevyn Missing a semi-colon in the end of "MODULE_LICENSE" line. |
| 05:18.09 | cantido | mactimes: um, humans make errors |
| 05:18.11 | mactimes | nevyn I've never used that before, so, made a test and it worked with that. |
| 05:18.42 | mactimes | cantido Nah. He is just too "funny" to pay attention to what's important instead of writing clean and concise code. |
| 05:18.50 | cantido | If you use a decent editor it should have highlighted that for you too.. |
| 05:18.57 | mactimes | nevyn cantido But thank you for your time and attention. |
| 05:19.19 | cantido | if you have no respect for the teacher you ain't going to learn much he |
| 05:19.25 | cantido | s/he/heh/ |
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| 05:19.33 | mactimes | cantido I'm using emacs-nox in the VM. Haven't configured a thing on it. Just installed emacs for writing the code and compiling it. |
| 05:19.48 | cantido | likes eclipse's CDT :) |
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| 05:20.02 | mactimes | cantido Well, if he had respect for his students, he would be writing precise code for his lessons. |
| 05:20.07 | cantido | except when it doesn't find headers that exist grrr |
| 05:20.16 | mactimes | cantido AND testing it prior to publishing them. |
| 05:20.44 | cantido | well, it's a bit weird that he gave you code that didn't even compile.. but I've pushed code that I wrote and didn't test |
| 05:20.53 | cantido | short of time etc |
| 05:21.40 | mactimes | cantido Well, I always test my code prior to pushing it anywhere. I don't like misleading people, mainly if they are learning something from me. |
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| 05:22.34 | cantido | try to setup your editor or whatever for highlighting etc though.. it makes spotting dumb mistakes a lot easier |
| 05:22.42 | mactimes | nevyn cantido Once again, thank you for your attention and time. |
| 05:22.47 | nsadmin | headers can exist without being installed... and, can exist and be installed and still not found unless ./configure provided info |
| 05:23.16 | nsadmin | s/provided info/has been provided with info/ |
| 05:23.33 | cantido | nsadmin: well my issue is that CDT doesn't seem to be able to parse headers from newlib well enough to register types in stdint.h as being valid |
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| 05:24.05 | cantido | nsadmin: and it isn't that it needs a define or something to turn on those parts of the header.. it just seems the indexer is broken |
| 05:24.06 | nsadmin | normally, cpp starts that proces... what's cdt/ |
| 05:24.13 | nsadmin | ? |
| 05:24.22 | cantido | nsadmin: C development tool, in eclipse |
| 05:24.43 | cantido | i.e. an editor with syntax checking, code completion etc |
| 05:25.07 | nsadmin | yeah, eclips is somewhat familiar :) |
| 05:25.42 | cantido | a very useful tool either way :) |
| 05:25.52 | cantido | wonders if eclipse in debian is still from the stone age |
| 05:26.25 | nsadmin | dunno... I always download it and just untar it in places where I want to use it |
| 05:26.33 | cantido | yeah me too |
| 05:26.48 | cantido | last time I used the packaged version it was 2 years out of date I think |
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| 05:27.38 | cantido | ,versions eclipse |
| 05:27.38 | mactimes | cantido You should give netbeans a try. Works pretty well. |
| 05:27.40 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.2-1; wheezy: 3.7.2-1 |
| 05:28.24 | cantido | mactimes: The android tools for netbeans aren't so great.. I can do everything in eclipse (android, embedded c, little linux apps).. don't want to have netbeans and eclipse running :) |
| 05:28.45 | nsadmin | should try backporting to squeeze |
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| 05:29.48 | cantido | is 3.7.2 indigo? |
| 05:29.49 | mactimes | cantido I see. |
| 05:30.20 | nsadmin | dunno; I've been using 3.6.2 pretty exclusively |
| 05:30.58 | mactimes | cantido How's the support for developing applications for Android? I've never developed a single thing for Android... |
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| 05:31.31 | nsadmin | eclipse is the "official supported" ide for android |
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| 05:31.42 | cantido | mactimes: everything works fine, none of the android tools are packaged in debian though, so you'll probably want your own copy of eclipse in $HOME |
| 05:32.52 | mactimes | cantido Yeah. I used to run eclipse for small things, but always as a copy on my $HOME. Installing it system-wide requires admin rights all the time for updates/upgrades. |
| 05:33.14 | mactimes | cantido That can be truly annoying. |
| 05:33.24 | cantido | I think the debian packages allowed your own updates in .eclipse in $HOME |
| 05:33.32 | cantido | I haven't used it for years though |
| 05:33.43 | mactimes | cantido Yup. But debian packages where always out-of-date. |
| 05:33.56 | cantido | yep, see above :) |
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| 05:34.14 | mactimes | cantido It's simpler downloading it from Eclipse and extracting it. =] |
| 05:34.42 | mactimes | cantido Plus, it makes it much better when making backups of $HOME. |
| 05:34.50 | nsadmin | mactimes, ya gotta be paying attention to the conversation ^W^W what people are saying |
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| 05:35.24 | nsadmin | that was soooo 27 seconds ago :) |
| 05:35.28 | mactimes | nsadmin Sorry! |(^_^)| Reinstalling clean VM to test stuff. I think I'll just stand as an observer. =] |
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| 05:36.10 | cantido | in the meantime I've actually broken my eclipse install.. yay |
| 05:36.36 | nsadmin | just pay contention and you'll eventually resemble that remark... |
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| 05:43.11 | FDFlock | the Debian stable version of Eclipse is ancient indeed ("Galileo")... Which brings my question, how can one migrate his Eclipse settings+plugins+workspacesettings from a Windows installation (that I have in a VM) to Linux. |
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| 05:44.05 | FDFlock | Let's say I install Wheezy and it's newer version of Eclipse... Is there any resource saying which files are cross-platform and which aren't? Or which files from the Windows installation can be copied to ~/.eclipse ? |
| 05:44.06 | nsadmin | FDFlock, if they'v e done the job correctly, you should be able to copy a dir and be done |
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| 05:44.41 | FDFlock | s/it's/its/ |
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| 05:46.18 | nsadmin | you may have to migrate the settings. but to be direct, the best info is going to be among the eclipse docs |
| 05:47.17 | FDFlock | Yeah, I guess. (Reconfiguring all plugins from scratch would take me 2 hours!) |
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| 05:49.52 | FDFlock | in the end, whatever I do, I guess I'll end up just unzipping the whole thing in ~ and not using the package manager. It's probably more straightforward this way, since no other users on the machine need it. Of course, I'll have to stop mounting home "noexec"... |
| 05:50.17 | cantido | you can export most of the eclipse settings, not sure if there is a mass export option anywhere |
| 05:50.20 | FDFlock | Any disadvantages of this approach? (beyond the obvious) |
| 05:50.26 | nsadmin | if you mean the settings that may be placed among the various projects, those are kept in a specific dir for workspaces, and if you told that initial dialog to continue showing up, you can then have your eclipse on different sets of workspaces/projects |
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| 05:50.49 | FDFlock | nsadmin: I had more some silly plugins like RSE in mind |
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| 05:52.09 | nsadmin | also with all the object serialization features in java, it would be possible to export settings... all they would have had to do was use those features for the plugin settings |
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| 05:53.06 | cantido | plugin settings are stored in XML in your workspace I think |
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| 05:56.20 | FDFlock | Anyway, it's probably the only case of a PMS making things more complicated instead of much simpler, and that's because of the special nature of Eclipse and the fact that I want to migrate settings from elsewhere, so it's not Debian's fault or anything |
| 05:56.24 | FDFlock | hates circumventing the PMS |
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| 05:57.06 | nsadmin | if it is xml in the workspace, then taring it up ought to do it |
| 05:57.37 | fredl | hmm |
| 05:57.41 | fredl | wow |
| 05:57.53 | FDFlock | yes, I think so, it's just that I would also have to install the exact same set (and versions) of plugins. not difficult though. |
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| 05:58.35 | nsadmin | FDFlock, yeah, I'd say it's pretty much time for you to try :) |
| 05:58.49 | cantido | FDFlock: eclipse is pretty self contained.. it doesn't stick things all over your fs :) |
| 05:59.53 | nsadmin | if the settings are not in the workspace dir, then it might be somewhere where you untarred exlipse and subsequently installed the plugins |
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| 06:01.27 | FDFlock | is too bored and tired right now :P |
| 06:01.43 | FDFlock | I think I'll have more time for "playing" with such things (and hopefully Wheezy!!) in June. (That's sad.) I'm looking forward to update my whole Debian installation though. |
| 06:02.12 | FDFlock | oh well, forgive all the typos |
| 06:02.50 | FDFlock | Thank you both for your responses! (going to get some more sleep) |
| 06:04.23 | nsadmin | if you want to directly transfer the settings files, I would advise to use the precise same version of eclipse on either side of win/linux |
| 06:04.51 | cantido | I think you can get away with not having all the same plugins installed though |
| 06:05.09 | cantido | I have moved workspaces to different machines with fresh eclipse installs before |
| 06:05.13 | nsadmin | and then see if you can upgrade eclipse in linux |
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| 06:06.23 | FDFlock | BTW, only CDT is in backports |
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| 06:09.22 | cantido | I wonder if anyone actually uses the eclipse, netbeans etc packages that are in debian |
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| 06:10.08 | nsadmin | not me, and for my usual reason... I don't want debian having any control over the versions I have |
| 06:10.22 | FDFlock | Well, I tried to, until I realized how ancient it was. |
| 06:10.57 | FDFlock | eg. RSE (the SSH Eclipse plugin) doesn't work well in Galileo, but does in the latest Eclipse. |
| 06:12.02 | nsadmin | what about the git plugin? is it any good? yet? :) |
| 06:12.03 | FDFlock | I don't have any problem using the Debian stable versions, except for such dev.tools and darktable. Thankfully the latter is also backported. |
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| 06:12.39 | FDFlock | nsadmin: I tried it and it seemed to work much better as well. |
| 06:12.51 | cantido | nsadmin: still doesn't work right for me.. it won't import git based projects that weren't created inside of eclipse |
| 06:13.12 | cantido | I have about 45 projects open.. I'm not going to recreate them all for the git plugins sake |
| 06:13.22 | FDFlock | Even though it was in the Windows VM! (egit completely re-implements git in Java) |
| 06:14.04 | FDFlock | cantido: perhaps that's also the problem, that it doesn't use the "real" git codebase at all |
| 06:14.36 | cantido | FDFlock: maybe.. I quite like git's commandline interface so I don't mind much |
| 06:14.52 | cantido | the SVN plugin is helpful when resolving conflicts etc |
| 06:15.28 | FDFlock | cantido: I can't get the hang of its CLI |
| 06:15.55 | FDFlock | cantido: in fact, I think that for git "CLI" means "CLumsy Interface" |
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| 06:16.15 | cantido | I think dolphin (kde's file manager) has a nice plugin for syncing and pushing |
| 06:16.22 | cantido | it did for SVN at least |
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| 06:29.53 | simonlnu | supports git too |
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| 06:31.48 | gr33n7007h | How do you enable 'root' login on Debian squeeze kdm ? |
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| 06:33.22 | Boohbah | gr33n7007h: why would one want to allow graphical root login ever? |
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| 06:33.35 | gr33n7007h | for pentesting |
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| 06:33.51 | Boohbah | facepalm |
| 06:34.11 | Boohbah | gr33n7007h: #backtrack probably knows |
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| 06:34.37 | gr33n7007h | already asked in #backtrack-linux |
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| 06:35.07 | Mkaysi | Stop X, login as root with TTY and run startx |
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| 06:35.15 | Mkaysi | But as already said, it's not recommended. |
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| 06:35.21 | Mkaysi | s/X/your window manager/ |
| 06:35.29 | Mkaysi | has done it accidentally once |
| 06:35.31 | gr33n7007h | doesn't work X server wont start |
| 06:35.59 | gr33n7007h | hang on TTY? |
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| 06:36.42 | cantido | gr33n7007h: you can run stuff as root in X without logging in as root.. |
| 06:37.11 | gr33n7007h | yeah just a pain in the butt sudoing everything |
| 06:38.03 | Boohbah | do you know about the sudoers file? |
| 06:38.18 | gr33n7007h | no |
| 06:38.31 | Boohbah | try 'man sudoers' |
| 06:38.54 | gr33n7007h | let's do some research |
| 06:38.56 | cantido | does sudo handle passing the token through to root? |
| 06:39.07 | gr33n7007h | no |
| 06:39.13 | Boohbah | %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:39.22 | cantido | I always use sux for running stuff as root in X |
| 06:39.30 | Boohbah | allow users in the wheel group sudo access to all commands with no passwd |
| 06:39.31 | Boohbah | handy |
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| 06:39.45 | gr33n7007h | kwl! |
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| 06:40.06 | Boohbah | make sure to use visudo to edit the sudoers file |
| 06:40.07 | nevyn | notes that su-to-root remains in existance. |
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| 06:40.13 | nevyn | despite being an ugly hack. |
| 06:40.24 | Boohbah | nevyn: sudo -i |
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| 06:42.14 | gr33n7007h | nano /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc and edit AllowRootLogin=Flase to true if anyone else wants to know!! The power of google |
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| 06:43.30 | gr33n7007h | Which is more reliable Debian / Ubuntu ? |
| 06:44.07 | streuner_ | gr33n7007h: /msg dpkg why Debian |
| 06:44.16 | nsadmin | gr33n7007h, read up on debian history incl. how ubuntu does its dev and did its dev before (they changed a little recently) |
| 06:44.56 | nsadmin | because like it or not... ubuntu is part of debian history |
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| 06:46.01 | gr33n7007h | ubuntu wont let you talk about debian |
| 06:46.22 | nsadmin | not true. #ubuntu, not ubuntu |
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| 06:47.00 | gr33n7007h | I'm a Debian ninja now! ;) |
| 06:47.25 | streuner_ | why |
| 06:47.38 | gr33n7007h | Coz Debian rocks! |
| 06:47.52 | streuner_ | tell us news :-) |
| 06:48.30 | streuner_ | Do you have a certain reason? |
| 06:48.36 | gr33n7007h | But not as good as MAC OSX i'm afraid :/ |
| 06:49.25 | gr33n7007h | Debian is an absolutly awesome distro for pentesting! |
| 06:49.50 | streuner_ | ic |
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| 06:51.15 | bk | Will debian keep init or go to systemd? |
| 06:51.34 | nsadmin | we're getting way off the topic here,,, when I said you should search for and read up on debian history especially as it pertains to ubuntu, I meant you should do that from your browser and not make discussion here... -maybe- it'll be ok discussed on #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:52.18 | streuner_ | bk, there was a discussion in debian-devel lately, IIRC |
| 06:53.01 | gr33n7007h | nsadmin, very sorry dude! |
| 06:53.36 | nsadmin | oh, no problem... I was hoping to get you pretty much centered on your interest |
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| 06:53.58 | bk | streuner_: so that is you telling me to ask there correct? |
| 06:54.26 | Bluemalkin | hi - does anyone know of a .deb apt repo which supports multiple versions of a package? |
| 06:54.32 | streuner_ | bk, no, debian-devel as ML (mailing-list) |
| 06:54.40 | bk | oh |
| 06:54.46 | Bluemalkin | reprepro does not keep archives |
| 06:55.06 | streuner_ | bk, ML is available as archive in www.debian.org , btw. |
| 06:55.28 | bk | streuner_: yea, i gotcha, thanks :) |
| 06:55.33 | streuner_ | np |
| 06:55.49 | nsadmin | Bluemalkin, normally not that it could be installed on any version of debian... libraries and their versions are involved |
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| 06:56.32 | Bluemalkin | nsadmin: what do you mean ? |
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| 06:56.57 | gr33n7007h | nsadmin, Thanks. I will do some research on Debian. GIYF. Gotta love you and leave you. Bye! |
| 06:57.12 | Dulak | Bluemalkin: it's possible to have different versions of a program installed as different program names, as python2.6, python2.7, python3.1, etc are. |
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| 06:57.46 | Bluemalkin | Dulak: I know - I kind of want to avoid that approach |
| 06:57.51 | gr33n7007h | How do you exit this channel? |
| 06:58.03 | Dulak | gr33n7007h: /part |
| 06:58.08 | gr33n7007h | thanks |
| 06:58.09 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.19 | gr33n7007h | part ot leave |
| 06:58.23 | gr33n7007h | *or |
| 06:58.27 | nsadmin | either should work |
| 06:58.33 | gr33n7007h | oh ok! |
| 06:58.37 | nsadmin | I think both need the channel name |
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| 06:59.04 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 06:59.13 | Dulak | Bastid |
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| 08:02.50 | born2troll | hey guys... how to take away my +q in #debian-offtopic? did not deserve it in the first place anyway... |
| 08:03.14 | born2troll | you really decide i cant be in your community because of a nick? |
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| 08:21.13 | whomee | hi there, when i do a debsescan --suite squeeze on a machine (that obviously have squeeze) it complains about some packages are out-of-date but they are not? anyone have seen the same problem? |
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| 08:23.18 | krion | hey guys |
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| 08:25.42 | Eninem | hay use guise |
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| 08:28.51 | carpediembaby | hi, i would like to parse a debian package list (Packages.gz) and make an xml out of it .. are there any tools which would do that? i would want it to be flexible because i have to make a customized xml.. but my problem is that i dont know the exact grammer |
| 08:29.01 | carpediembaby | preferably in perl or python |
| 08:29.39 | krion | i try to add a "branch" from a running repository |
| 08:29.44 | krion | here is my setup |
| 08:29.51 | krion | http://pastebin.com/u7MhXyG2 |
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| 08:34.03 | dark-sun | hi every one |
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| 08:34.42 | dark-sun | I'm on debian testing, after update (last night) my mouse does not work properly |
| 08:34.58 | dark-sun | even alt+tab does not work some times |
| 08:35.36 | nsadmin | soecifics please, doesn't do what? what mouse? connected how? if you know, what drivers are in effect and relevent? |
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| 08:35.52 | dark-sun | it's my laptop |
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| 08:36.18 | simonlnu | *specific*, not generic |
| 08:36.31 | dark-sun | look it was working quite fine |
| 08:36.37 | nsadmin | once there is enough sicco information, |
| 08:36.42 | nsadmin | we will continue |
| 08:36.45 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 08:36.45 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 08:36.53 | dark-sun | common guys |
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| 08:37.06 | dark-sun | I just need to revert that update |
| 08:37.13 | simonlnu | we're not common ;p. |
| 08:37.14 | dark-sun | i guess the package is |
| 08:37.30 | Iridos | well, I am... common as muck |
| 08:37.41 | dark-sun | xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.7 |
| 08:37.48 | dark-sun | according to synaptic logs |
| 08:38.11 | dark-sun | I've tried to use "force-version" in synaptic |
| 08:38.14 | dark-sun | but it's disabled |
| 08:38.19 | dark-sun | any idea? |
| 08:38.41 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.01 | dark-sun | nsadmin✪ I'm worrying about dependencies |
| 08:40.17 | nsadmin | I'm not |
| 08:40.32 | nsadmin | I'm suggesting a place you might find the other package |
| 08:40.49 | dark-sun | nsadmin✪ and I should install it with dpkg? |
| 08:40.58 | nsadmin | is there one? |
| 08:41.13 | nsadmin | or, more to the point, is there more than one? |
| 08:41.19 | simonlnu | quit synaptic first |
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| 08:41.40 | nsadmin | I didn't say you should install it; |
| 08:41.50 | dark-sun | hold on a sec. |
| 08:41.52 | nsadmin | I think probably you should find out what is wront |
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| 08:43.14 | dark-sun | nsadmin✪ there's just version 2.7.0 |
| 08:43.17 | dark-sun | :( |
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| 08:43.43 | dark-sun | nsadmin✪ i think it's a bug from x-server |
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| 08:44.06 | dark-sun | it's not like mouse does not work at all |
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| 08:44.17 | dark-sun | it just does not work as it should be |
| 08:44.33 | petern_ | in what font is that 5-pointed-star-in-a-circle a : ? |
| 08:44.36 | Camber | Hi all, I just got a message from my drupal install that it thinks the domain name is one I've never heard of. Could anyone help me determine where on the server it found that information? |
| 08:44.36 | nsadmin | so far you have provided no details on that part, in fact you've refused (so far) to go there... I'm inclined to make very short suggestions in the direction you're going. you've provided no details on what you upgraded from or to, so it's a very good chance you have more information on your situation than I do, making my participation irrelevent |
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| 08:45.07 | Camber | the domain name can be found under /var/lib/mysql ib_logfile1 and ibdata1 when I use grep |
| 08:45.24 | dark-sun | I can't scroll here, is should go to terminal |
| 08:45.33 | dark-sun | brb guys |
| 08:46.11 | alex- | Anyone can help me to restore the permissions for a folder? |
| 08:46.13 | nsadmin | if you think it's a bug in x, find that bug definitively and either see if it's already reported to the BTS (/msg dpkg bts) and if not, report it yourself |
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| 08:47.53 | nsadmin | alex-, chmod for changing permissions on a directory (folder), file, char or block device node, link or other filesystem object |
| 08:48.42 | krion | ok for my previous question |
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| 08:49.08 | Camber | Guys, I'm really worried that my debian install may have been hacked, could anyone help me? |
| 08:49.11 | nsadmin | dark-sun, I'm taking this tack because you're witholding information |
| 08:49.11 | krion | cding into a repository is not the correct way to dpkg-scanpackages, because filename patch will not be correct |
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| 08:49.50 | cantido | Camber: you don't say why you think you've been hacked |
| 08:50.00 | Camber | I just got a message from my drupal install that it thinks the domain name is one I've never heard of. Could anyone help me determine where on the server it found that information? |
| 08:50.11 | nsadmin | Camber, what domain name? |
| 08:50.25 | Camber | flywheels.com.au |
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| 08:50.33 | nsadmin | are you in .au? |
| 08:50.39 | Camber | I am not |
| 08:50.44 | dark-sun | i'm dark-sun |
| 08:50.57 | dark-sun | ok |
| 08:51.07 | nsadmin | ok, could drupal be? |
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| 08:51.22 | nsadmin | did you recently install drupal? |
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| 08:51.58 | Camber | A few months ago, It's in development and I haven't yet assigned a domain name, so I was expecting an ip address, it came back with that domain name. |
| 08:52.06 | dark-sun | nsadmin: what should i provide to get this x-server issue fixed? |
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| 08:52.36 | nsadmin | do you have any files in your home dir starting with X? |
| 08:53.45 | nsadmin | Camber, ok, I don't believe that's evidence of your being hacked then |
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| 08:54.13 | nsadmin | is drupal some kind of perl proxy? |
| 08:54.20 | Camber | That's a big relief. Though that domain name does seem to appear in the mysql logs - but I don't know how to read them. |
| 08:54.24 | nsadmin | , info drupal |
| 08:54.25 | judd | No package named 'drupal' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 08:54.38 | Camber | drupal is a content management system |
| 08:54.44 | alex- | nsadmin: I can't login to my users homedir anymore. Permissions are messed up. |
| 08:54.45 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 08:54.57 | alex- | nsadmin: And I can't visit anything on my IP address that's in /var/www/ |
| 08:55.00 | alex- | Also permissions problem |
| 08:55.00 | nsadmin | alex-, can you log in as root? |
| 08:55.05 | alex- | Yes |
| 08:55.19 | nsadmin | what's the user name |
| 08:55.25 | alex- | What one? |
| 08:55.33 | nsadmin | the one you can't log into |
| 08:55.34 | alex- | the 'normal' u ser? |
| 08:55.37 | alex- | alex |
| 08:55.40 | dark-sun | nsadmin: no, but I have .Xsession-errors |
| 08:55.53 | alex- | nsadmin: i login with alex |
| 08:55.57 | alex- | (normally) |
| 08:56.01 | rook2pawn | hi, i have /usr/include/gnu/stubs-64.h but i need stubs-32.h.. what do i need to get that? |
| 08:56.19 | nsadmin | , file stubs-32.h |
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| 08:56.23 | judd | Search for stubs-32.h in squeeze/i386: libc6-dev: usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h |
| 08:56.24 | rook2pawn | i am on amd64 3.2 backports |
| 08:56.31 | rook2pawn | wow thanks |
| 08:56.43 | cantido | rook2pawn: it's only in i386.. |
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| 08:56.52 | rook2pawn | oh |
| 08:57.02 | rook2pawn | :( |
| 08:57.04 | nsadmin | you may or may not be able to install/use that |
| 08:57.14 | rook2pawn | damn my extra 32 bits |
| 08:57.24 | cantido | rook2pawn: what is your target? |
| 08:57.37 | cantido | rook2pawn: i.e. you shouldn't use the 32bit structs etc for a 64bit target |
| 08:57.45 | Camber | nsadmin: This is in the apache access log: ./var/log/apache2/access.log.1:92.240.68.152 - - [06/Apr/2012:14:26:25 +0100] "GET http://www.flywheels.com.au/images/productLargeBikeLift.gif HTTP/1.1" 503 6129 "-" "webcollage/1.135a" |
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| 08:58.41 | alex- | nsadmin: any clue? |
| 09:00.52 | rook2pawn | cantido: i am g++ -o obj/release/accessors.o where this is all in googlev8 |
| 09:01.47 | nsadmin | Camber, can you tail -f that log? |
| 09:02.08 | cantido | rook2pawn: well, I have no idea what that source looks like.. but maybe it's not detecting the target correctly .. i.e. if you're calling g++ manually you aren't passing in the defines that it's configure script or whatever configures |
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| 09:02.56 | nsadmin | alex-, as root, ls -ld /home/alex |
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| 09:03.42 | Camber | nsadmin: have done. You'll have to excuse my lack of knowledge though -- I don't know how to view further back in the log, only shows results from today. |
| 09:04.06 | nsadmin | Camber, right... let's see... |
| 09:04.42 | nsadmin | did you see that? |
| 09:04.54 | alex- | nsadmin: what does that command does? |
| 09:05.29 | Camber | Me? I saw nothing. |
| 09:05.45 | alex- | nsadmin: I re-created the directory: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 10 11:05 /home/alex/ |
| 09:05.51 | nsadmin | alex-, ls lists files, -ld means long listing, on directory |
| 09:05.55 | alex- | drwxrwsr-x 7 www-data root 4096 Apr 7 11:37 /var/www/ |
| 09:06.08 | nsadmin | www-data? why? |
| 09:06.13 | alex- | for /var/www/ |
| 09:06.15 | nsadmin | oh, that's ok |
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| 09:06.30 | nsadmin | didn't read the whole line. |
| 09:06.39 | robokop | ownership is weird for home dir |
| 09:06.44 | alex- | any way to fix these 2? |
| 09:06.48 | nsadmin | but your home dir, that's a problem |
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| 09:06.57 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.07 | alex- | Any way to just 'reset' them to the stock permissions? |
| 09:07.11 | nsadmin | let's hold off on that |
| 09:07.17 | alex- | ? |
| 09:07.20 | nsadmin | dunno what those are |
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| 09:07.35 | alex- | I'll create a new user |
| 09:07.42 | nsadmin | just a sec |
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| 09:08.33 | alex- | SSH Session immediatly closes |
| 09:08.38 | alex- | after i connected with the new user |
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| 09:08.47 | Camber | nsadmin: Sorry, I know you're stretched between helping multiple people right now. Did you want me to paste you that section of the log? I'm not sure how to go up to it. |
| 09:08.59 | nsadmin | while chown can be a dangerous command (as evidenced by only root can use it), |
| 09:09.06 | nsadmin | camber, sec |
| 09:09.18 | nsadmin | are you still tail -fing? |
| 09:09.48 | Camber | I just typed tail -f to my apache log |
| 09:09.49 | nsadmin | alex-, chown alex.alex /home/alex |
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| 09:10.02 | alex- | done |
| 09:10.11 | nsadmin | try logging in as alex |
| 09:10.21 | alex- | nope |
| 09:10.24 | alex- | session just dissapears |
| 09:10.26 | alex- | ssh session * |
| 09:10.37 | nsadmin | why this time? |
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| 09:10.58 | Camber | It's just sitting there, it isn't moving because nobody should know of the ip address. |
| 09:11.02 | alex- | on my linux system i can see something more: Could not chdir to home directory /home/alex: Permission denied |
| 09:11.07 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.10 | alex- | Connection closed |
| 09:11.11 | gnugr | alex-: try "chown -R alex:alex /home/alex/" |
| 09:11.26 | phb | Anyone know if there are any debug symbols available for libapt-pkg.so? Can't find any :( |
| 09:11.34 | alex- | same problem GNU |
| 09:11.37 | alex- | GNUgr * |
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| 09:11.46 | nsadmin | type that without the quotes, very carefully |
| 09:11.59 | alex- | i did |
| 09:12.03 | alex- | chown -R alex:alex /home/alex/ |
| 09:12.10 | phb | err, and I'm an idiot. the symbols I'm looking for is actually for apt-ftparchive |
| 09:12.14 | alex- | drwxr-xr-x 2 alex alex 4096 Apr 10 11:05 /home/alex/ |
| 09:12.29 | nsadmin | yep, that looks good |
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| 09:12.41 | alex- | still same problem |
| 09:12.51 | alex- | I think more permissions are messed up |
| 09:12.53 | nsadmin | ok, du -s /home/alex |
| 09:13.05 | nsadmin | could be |
| 09:13.11 | alex- | 4 /home/alex |
| 09:13.16 | alex- | But what mainly needs to work now is /var/www/ I think |
| 09:13.18 | alex- | I want to run a website |
| 09:13.20 | alex- | :P |
| 09:13.26 | nsadmin | ok, are you root right now? |
| 09:13.30 | alex- | yes |
| 09:13.56 | nsadmin | with the parens: |
| 09:14.04 | alex- | drwxrwsr-x 7 www-data root 4096 Apr 7 11:37 /var/www/ |
| 09:14.04 | Dev0n | is there anything to do to generate more entropy for openpgp key creation ? I did ls -R / but no luck |
| 09:14.33 | nsadmin | (cd /home ; tar cfp /root/home-alex.tar alex) |
| 09:14.45 | alex- | with the ( ? |
| 09:14.48 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:14.56 | alex- | done |
| 09:15.15 | nsadmin | look in /root, notice there is a tar file there now |
| 09:15.19 | alex- | yes |
| 09:15.35 | nsadmin | that's a backup of your (possibly empty) home dir |
| 09:15.43 | alex- | i already made a backup of it |
| 09:15.45 | alex- | on another partition |
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| 09:15.58 | nsadmin | I'd like to see ls -l /bin/bash |
| 09:16.00 | alex- | and i actually did mv instead of cp |
| 09:16.15 | alex- | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 926536 Apr 10 2010 /bin/bash |
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| 09:16.30 | nsadmin | try: bash |
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| 09:16.53 | nsadmin | do you get error? |
| 09:17.13 | alex- | no |
| 09:17.23 | nsadmin | ok, type: exit |
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| 09:17.40 | alex- | it says: exit |
| 09:17.57 | nsadmin | still as root, install nopaste: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 09:18.35 | alex- | what is it? |
| 09:18.52 | nsadmin | it's a good pastebin... doesn't use pastebin.com |
| 09:19.11 | alex- | what's bad about pastebin.com ? |
| 09:19.35 | nsadmin | ads, crashes my browser, coupla others |
| 09:19.49 | nsadmin | maybe harmless but definitely annoying |
| 09:20.02 | alex- | installed |
| 09:20.08 | nsadmin | ok, good... |
| 09:20.37 | nsadmin | ls -aCF /home/alex | nopaste |
| 09:20.58 | nsadmin | it probably will use github |
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| 09:21.26 | alex- | App::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Pastie.pm line 13 |
| 09:21.28 | alex- | App::Nopaste::Service::ssh: No NOPASTE_SSH_SERVER set at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste.pm line 44. |
| 09:21.29 | alex- | http://gist.github.com/2349698 |
| 09:21.42 | alex- | When will github things be removed? |
| 09:22.05 | nsadmin | Camber, do you see 10 lines of your log and no shell prompt at the bottom? |
| 09:22.22 | nsadmin | dunno :) |
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| 09:22.44 | Camber | nsadmin: Yes, but just the cursor indicator at the bottom |
| 09:23.13 | nsadmin | perfect... I'm going to try something, watch the tail |
| 09:23.53 | nsadmin | alex, so your home dir is totally empty |
| 09:24.02 | Camber | nsadmin: The IP address of the server isn't my IP address, would you like me to PM you the ip address? |
| 09:24.29 | alex- | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:24.46 | Camber | nsadmin: Or are you experimenting something with that flywheels domain? |
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| 09:24.58 | alex- | nsadmin: i moved the files from it because it wasn't working |
| 09:25.07 | nsadmin | no, not necessary... I'm just trying to see if the domain name is connected somehow to your machine |
| 09:25.17 | nsadmin | could you show that log entry again? |
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| 09:25.46 | nsadmin | alex-, grep alex /etc/passwd |
| 09:25.49 | Camber | ./var/log/apache2/access.log.1:92.240.68.152 - - [06/Apr/2012:14:26:25 +0100] "GET http://www.flywheels.com.au/images/productLargeBikeLift.gif HTTP/1.1" 503 6129 "-" "webcollage/1.135a" |
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| 09:26.01 | alex- | nsadmin: alex:x:1000:1000:alex:/home/alex:/bin/bash |
| 09:26.05 | Camber | You mean that one? |
| 09:26.22 | nsadmin | alex, that looks good, so not the problem |
| 09:26.38 | nsadmin | Camber, yeah... keep watching the tail |
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| 09:27.03 | nsadmin | did you just see an additional line? |
| 09:27.24 | newzhuntr | how do i redirect stdin from shell script to something like /dev/null |
| 09:27.26 | Camber | No, last entry to the apache log was over 20 mins ago |
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| 09:29.11 | nsadmin | ok, does your ip end in .3? |
| 09:29.34 | alex- | nsadmin: I mostly prefer /var/www/ to work |
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| 09:29.43 | nsadmin | newzhuntr > /something/like/dev/null |
| 09:29.44 | Camber | Mine? No. |
| 09:29.46 | alex- | nsadmin: Failed to create virtual server : 'alex.nl.eu.org' is not a valid address |
| 09:30.01 | newzhuntr | nsadmin: stdIN |
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| 09:30.18 | nsadmin | you want it to read from /dev/null? |
| 09:30.29 | nsadmin | newzhuntr < /something/like/dev/null |
| 09:30.48 | newzhuntr | no i dont want stdin |
| 09:31.09 | nsadmin | your script could just ignore it |
| 09:31.18 | newzhuntr | how do i disable stdin |
| 09:31.25 | nsadmin | close it |
| 09:31.30 | newzhuntr | k |
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| 09:31.44 | newzhuntr | whats the command to disable stdin |
| 09:31.45 | nsadmin | but that's per process |
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| 09:32.42 | nsadmin | yourcommand < /dev/null doesn't work? |
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| 09:33.12 | samu | curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to webapi.allegro.pl:443 |
| 09:33.15 | newzhuntr | yes its going wild on me |
| 09:33.22 | samu | I'm helping my friend with debian, he has some ssl problems with PHP |
| 09:33.31 | samu | I asked him to do curl -I on the site, to which he cannot connect |
| 09:33.44 | samu | why might he be getting this error? It does not appear to show up on freebsd, or gentoo |
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| 09:34.06 | cantido | samu: tell curl to be more verbose |
| 09:34.23 | cantido | samu: you should be able to get the complete trace of what happened |
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| 09:34.50 | newzhuntr | see im using stdin to run typed commands in shell script but when a command is running and the enter key is pressed down .. when the command exits it gives me a whole lot of extra newlines on screen |
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| 09:35.23 | secret_hamster | has anyone got experience of using Debian (Squeeze) with a clustered filesystem on a SAN |
| 09:35.53 | secret_hamster | I'm looking for some guidance on implementing a multiaccess filesystem for a set of ftp servers. |
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| 09:36.36 | cantido | newzhuntr: don't press the enter key down? |
| 09:36.38 | secret_hamster | looking at the packages for GFS2 it mentions these are highly experimental and not for production use. So what are my alternatives. |
| 09:36.43 | newzhuntr | cantido: thanks |
| 09:36.48 | samu | cento: http://wklej.org/id/728481/ and it freezes. |
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| 09:37.10 | cantido | secret_hamster: I've tried glusterfs .. wasn't too impressed.. seemed like a massive hack and was slow as hell |
| 09:37.18 | cento | ? |
| 09:37.32 | nsadmin | Camber, so if you didn't see the log entry, the web server you have on that IP is probably not getting material from it... |
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| 09:37.50 | nsadmin | I'm able to get that graphic from the site |
| 09:37.51 | secret_hamster | cantido, well I'm looking for something with performance as that's our reason for using a SAN cluster |
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| 09:38.21 | Camber | nsadmin: I'm sorry, I'm really confused. I've never heard of that website, what is the domain doing on my server? |
| 09:38.25 | newzhuntr | im guessing its the subshell that is throwing out newlines to screen tho |
| 09:38.32 | erenrich | secret_hamster: considered "ceph"? |
| 09:38.36 | erenrich | didn't read the backlog |
| 09:38.47 | cantido | secret_hamster: are the machines all in the same room? |
| 09:38.58 | nsadmin | no information about that as far as I know |
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| 09:39.32 | newzhuntr | j #bash |
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| 09:40.02 | nsadmin | Camber, I have no idea |
| 09:40.31 | nsadmin | I wonder if that's some kind of example |
| 09:40.34 | erenrich | secret_hamster: also consider "moosefs" |
| 09:40.40 | secret_hamster | cantido, yes they are, they will all be housed in the same DC |
| 09:40.43 | erenrich | has varying levels of experience w/ these |
| 09:41.00 | Camber | Doesn't look good. The term flywheels does come up in multiple files when I grep the server for it, but I don't know how to read those logs |
| 09:41.31 | secret_hamster | erenrich, so far I've only really been looking at gfs2 as that's the only one I can really tell so far that seems to be doing what we want, but I'll look up those too |
| 09:41.43 | nsadmin | you mean drupal logs? |
| 09:42.04 | Camber | No debian logs |
| 09:42.21 | nsadmin | are any of those logs recent? |
| 09:42.24 | Kooky | Maybe I a bit out of date, how about afs? |
| 09:42.33 | cantido | secret_hamster: I'm not sure any of the solutions that run on top of fuse are very fast. If the machines are in the same room and connected by a good network maybe it won't matter so much |
| 09:42.46 | erenrich | that might be a better fit |
| 09:42.53 | Camber | http://pastebin.com/z6khcTWQ |
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| 09:43.25 | guardian | hello |
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| 09:43.27 | guardian | i'm getting perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 09:43.31 | cantido | erenrich: have you used moosefs? what did you think of it? |
| 09:43.32 | guardian | after having upgraded squeeze |
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| 09:43.40 | guardian | i tried to dpkg-reconfigure locales without success |
| 09:43.46 | guardian | do you also face those messages? |
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| 09:44.11 | Camber | Well the access log is on the 6th - I wasn't even working on the 6th, and nobody else should be aware of the IP address, so I honestly don't know what it's doing there. |
| 09:44.20 | erenrich | cantido: seems solid if a little tricky to set up |
| 09:45.15 | nsadmin | ok, and no log entries are from today? |
| 09:45.29 | nsadmin | the 6th, 4 days ago? |
| 09:46.13 | Camber | Yeah, not sure about the mysql ibdata1 and ib_logfile1 logs as I don't know how to read them, but grep says the string is in there somewhere |
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| 09:46.33 | cantido | erenrich: glusterfs seemed to fail after a few days and needed constant attention to keep it running.. we went back to rsyncing files.. |
| 09:46.47 | cantido | erenrich: might give moosefs a go :) |
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| 09:47.19 | alex- | nsadmin: I did a purge of apache2, rebooted my system, installed apache2 again. Same error :\ |
| 09:47.30 | Camber | Also found in the drupal log that cron was attempted from phpMyAdmin/scripts/setup.php -- I've changed the phpMyAdmin URL so that file doesn't exist there. |
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| 09:48.01 | alex- | nsadmin: any way to fix /var/www/ permissions? |
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| 09:48.16 | vdonnef | Hi, I'm trying to use dpkg-cross. I want to convert a i386 package into a armel package but the following command fail "dpkg-cross -A --arch armel -b *_i386.deb" |
| 09:48.38 | nsadmin | alex-, not sure how they are broken |
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| 09:49.39 | nsadmin | Camber, when? and, are you running ntp? |
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| 09:49.59 | Camber | That was on 8th, I don't know what ntp is |
| 09:50.08 | secret_hamster | hum ceph seems to be a distributed system, not a cluster fs. I'm looking for (potentially) lots of hosts accessing the same file space |
| 09:50.26 | nsadmin | does date show a reasonably close date? correct timezone? (just makign sure) |
| 09:50.46 | alex- | nsadmin: I set my default config to /home/www/ |
| 09:50.49 | alex- | but same problem now |
| 09:51.20 | nsadmin | same as? |
| 09:51.27 | alex- | nsadmin: [Tue Apr 10 11:50:30 2012] [error] [client 84.106.39.243] (13)Permission denied: access to / denied |
| 09:51.31 | alex- | same as the permission denied |
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| 09:51.44 | nsadmin | oh, ls -ld / |
| 09:52.00 | alex- | drwx------ 23 root root 4096 Apr 10 11:05 / |
| 09:52.07 | Camber | Yeah, 2 minutes out from the clock on my computer |
| 09:52.19 | erenrich | cantido: i know of a really big moosefs cluster (dozens of Ts) that hasn't fallen over |
| 09:52.21 | Camber | No, one minute |
| 09:52.42 | nsadmin | alex, chmod 755 / |
| 09:53.04 | alex- | nsadmin: but this is home dir right? |
| 09:53.10 | alex- | erm |
| 09:53.10 | nsadmin | nope |
| 09:53.11 | alex- | this is / |
| 09:53.14 | nsadmin | that's your / |
| 09:53.17 | alex- | uh |
| 09:53.21 | alex- | sure about this? |
| 09:53.30 | nsadmin | yep, just checked mine |
| 09:53.35 | alex- | drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Apr 10 11:05 / |
| 09:53.42 | nsadmin | yeah, that's what mine is |
| 09:53.51 | alex- | and it works |
| 09:53.53 | alex- | :D |
| 09:53.53 | nsadmin | now try stuff ;) |
| 09:53.56 | cvr | Hi, im being spammed by cron every hour "PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0" I assume its got something todo with me reverting php5 from 5.4 to 5.3 after an upgrade yesterday, any ideas on what that means? |
| 09:54.42 | nsadmin | alex, careful with chmod and chown |
| 09:54.48 | alex- | nsadmin: thanks :D |
| 09:54.51 | alex- | this fixed everything |
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| 09:55.04 | nsadmin | do you understand unix-style file permissions? |
| 09:55.06 | alex- | yes |
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| 09:55.12 | alex- | but i didn't know what one was wrong\ |
| 09:55.22 | nsadmin | ok, so we're done :) |
| 09:56.01 | alex- | nsadmin: Thanks you very much :D |
| 09:56.09 | nsadmin | yep |
| 09:56.37 | nsadmin | and as a final note, you told me that error message, "can't access /" |
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| 09:56.58 | nsadmin | so I said, "check perms on / by doing ls -ld /" |
| 09:57.08 | alex- | ye that's what apache error log gave me |
| 09:57.10 | alex- | or access log |
| 09:57.24 | thomaschaaf | my debian broke when I aptitude upgrade I get "perl: warning: SEtting locale failed." |
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| 09:57.36 | alex- | Where is the best place to store my websites? |
| 09:57.37 | nsadmin | so both logging in as alex and your web server are both working? |
| 09:57.43 | alex- | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:58.25 | nsadmin | I dunno what the debian recommendation is... I do web dev, but with completely different stuff (no apache, no php, no mysql) |
| 09:58.33 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/3760956 |
| 10:00.05 | nsadmin | Camber, could I get you to do me the favor of installing libapp-nopaste-perl ? |
| 10:00.12 | guardian | fuck i overlooked instructions about boot options when migrating from linux-image-xen-686 to linux-image-686 3.2 from squeeze backports |
| 10:00.29 | guardian | i tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-686 but it doesn't do the same (setup screens etc) |
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| 10:00.37 | guardian | hints please :/ |
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| 10:01.39 | Camber | nsadmin: ok, installed |
| 10:01.41 | nsadmin | guardian, (may or may not help but) you say you overlooked some instructions... what exactly did this cause? |
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| 10:02.09 | guardian | the box rebooted correctly, but it's still the old kernel as per uname -a |
| 10:02.46 | johndoe | which tool do you recommend me to combine a picture and a song into a video? |
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| 10:04.10 | cantido | erenrich: sorry, got distracted. That's good to know. Going to try it out when I get time |
| 10:04.13 | sunbeam | I want to use a shared folder with vbox on my debian guest system (win7 is host) |
| 10:04.17 | sunbeam | i mount it |
| 10:04.25 | sunbeam | and it is in /media - but it is empty, while on the host system there are files/folders etc in it |
| 10:04.28 | sunbeam | Any idea what goes wrong? |
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| 10:05.07 | nsadmin | Camber, see, pastebinit mostly uses pastebin.com which does a coupla annoying things (incl crashing konq every time) so the thing I just asked you to install an executable called nopaste which accepts text pipelines (like, somecommand | nopaste) and outputs a url |
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| 10:06.38 | sunbeam | found it nvm |
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| 10:07.06 | Camber | Ok, I've never heard of either pastebinit or nopaste |
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| 10:07.38 | nsadmin | oh ok, what was your paste using pastebin.com earlier? (dodmn |
| 10:07.51 | nsadmin | didn't necessarily want to open it0 |
| 10:07.54 | nsadmin | ) |
| 10:08.26 | Camber | nsadmin: It was just the output from my grep of flywheels |
| 10:09.00 | Camber | grep -r -i flywheels ./ |
| 10:09.10 | Camber | Just to show you where the term was showing up |
| 10:09.22 | nsadmin | ok, could you run that grep again, and this time, | nopaste |
| 10:09.50 | nsadmin | and what's your pwd? |
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| 10:10.54 | Camber | / |
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| 10:11.35 | nsadmin | oh ok, so everywhere |
| 10:12.06 | Camber | Yeah, searching the whole server, though it doesn't appear to be finding anything with the pipes afterwards |
| 10:12.13 | Camber | grep -r -i flywheels ./ | nopaste |
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| 10:12.39 | nsadmin | yeah exactly |
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| 10:13.10 | cvr | Hi, im being spammed by cron every hour "PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0" I assume its got something todo with me reverting php5 from 5.4 to 5.3 after an upgrade yesterday, any ideas on what that means? |
| 10:14.37 | cantido | cvr: you need to fix your php cli config .. there is some thing that uses the cli version of php every hour and you'll get any startup errors from cron |
| 10:15.39 | mmaton | ugh |
| 10:15.45 | nsadmin | cvr: one way: google for "PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in" |
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| 10:16.53 | Camber | nsadmin: I'm lost man. I hope you know what you're talking about because I don't, I have no idea where this domain came from and I don't know what to do. Do you think the server has been hacked? And what did this nopaste do? It's just sitting there now. Not sure if it's still searching. |
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| 10:17.23 | nsadmin | Camber, at this point still trying to gather info |
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| 10:18.12 | Camber | In the grep results, it shows a bunch of items similar to the following: grep: ./var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock: No such device or address - is that normal? |
| 10:18.31 | guardian | i upgraded from a 2.6 xen kernel to 3.2 from backports and didn't pay attention i had testing in my sources, now libc6 2.13.27 (from testing) is installed, is there a way to know which package depends on it? (maybe with aptitude why)? |
| 10:18.41 | nsadmin | that may be because mysql is not running? |
| 10:18.59 | Camber | nsadmin: mysql is running. |
| 10:19.16 | nsadmin | try this |
| 10:19.39 | nsadmin | shutdown apache then mysql, then start mysql, then apache |
| 10:19.50 | nsadmin | see if that sock file exists then |
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| 10:20.06 | cvr | nsadmin: thanks for the pointers looks like pdo.so was being loaded through a link & new config file, deleted one and we'll see how it goes, ty |
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| 10:20.25 | dokma | is it safe to remove joydev on a desktop where I have no joystick or a touchpad ?? |
| 10:20.39 | cantido | dokma: from your kernel config? |
| 10:20.52 | dokma | I thought of blacklisting |
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| 10:21.02 | nsadmin | if no, maybe apache is trying to contact mysql in a way that mysql is not expecting, per its config |
| 10:21.14 | cantido | dokma: any reason why? |
| 10:21.17 | nsadmin | I can't be totally authoritative on the details |
| 10:21.35 | nsadmin | cvr, welcome |
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| 10:23.35 | nsadmin | wow thats old |
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| 10:24.14 | savr | !tell savr about moo |
| 10:24.30 | nsadmin | savr, or! /msg dpkg moo |
| 10:24.45 | savr | cool |
| 10:24.46 | dokma | cantido: no particular reason, I just love to poke around the kernel |
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| 10:26.03 | Iridos | Camber, you're getting lost in all kinds of irrelevant details. Can you paste the message that actually got you worried in the first place? |
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| 10:27.43 | Iridos | pastebin* |
| 10:27.46 | Camber | Iridos: It's a message from drupal: http://pastebin.com/nGbzRWBr |
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| 10:28.19 | Camber | I've never heard of that flywheels domain before, the website isn't assigned a domain |
| 10:28.27 | cantido | maybe you have an ip address that was once used for that domain and drupal is getting it via reverse dns? |
| 10:29.00 | Camber | I grep flywheels and it does appear on the server, but I'm not sure if the context means anything in particular |
| 10:29.42 | Camber | cantido: Perhaps, how could I test that to be the case? |
| 10:29.45 | simonlnu | context matters.. *where* is this flywheels? |
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| 10:30.19 | Camber | Here are the results from the grep: http://pastebin.com/z6khcTWQ |
| 10:31.48 | simonlnu | wth? |
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| 10:32.58 | guardian | aptitude search '?narrow(~i, ~Abackports)' <— lists packages installed from backports, i don't know aptitude search well… can I search "no from stable"? so that it also lists packages from testing? |
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| 10:33.10 | Camber | simonlnu: Is there something odd in that paste, or are you confused about what I've sent you? Because I should warn that I have no idea what I'm doing! |
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| 10:33.36 | savr | I can only get error messages out of dpkg |
| 10:33.47 | savr | its ignoring anything else I say in private |
| 10:33.50 | savr | (the bot |
| 10:34.18 | savr | is there a syntax that I am meant to use |
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| 10:34.29 | savr | e.g. I got an error message about using ! |
| 10:34.34 | simonlnu | well, first that ibdata stuff has to do with mysql's innodb. second, that ip in the httpd log a) has no reverse dns entry b) points to an entirely different host than that flywheels one |
| 10:34.47 | Iridos | savr, no need to use ! in private messages, just omit that |
| 10:35.00 | Iridos | which is, actually, what the message tells you |
| 10:35.11 | simonlnu | ah, webcollage, that's a bot |
| 10:35.11 | savr | Iridos: saying moo doesn't get a reponse |
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| 10:35.30 | simonlnu | it's associated with spammers of various sorts |
| 10:35.34 | savr | hmmm |
| 10:35.39 | savr | its is working! |
| 10:35.47 | savr | don't know what I was doing wrong |
| 10:35.50 | savr | thanks!\ |
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| 10:35.59 | Camber | simonlnu: So it is a hack? They seem to have successfully changed what the server thinks the domain name is? |
| 10:36.05 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I am using apt-cache policy php and it says: Candidate: 5.1.6-27.el5_5.3 What means el5_5.3? |
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| 10:36.40 | simonlnu | it's not a "hack"... first, the server sent a 503. second, that's a probe, not a "hack". |
| 10:36.40 | dnano91 | hey, i'm trying to install debian with a usb stick, but the installer's trying to find a cd to get the packages... so how can i tell the installer to use the usb?? |
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| 10:38.31 | Iridos | what _is_ /var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile* |
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| 10:39.23 | simonlnu | innodb log file... mostly useless . sort of like a journal on a journalling fs, iirc. |
| 10:39.44 | simonlnu | (useless to humans anyway) |
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| 10:40.04 | Camber | simonlnu: I'm not sure what a probe is. The fact that I got an email from my server stating that the domain is something that it isn't sounds worrying to me. I don't know if it got that information externally, or a variable has changed on the server to flywheels. |
| 10:40.10 | Iridos | so, kinda irrelevant, too |
| 10:40.46 | simonlnu | Iridos: well, sort of. it shows that at some point the mysqld has/had that data in a db it manages. |
| 10:40.54 | Iridos | yeah |
| 10:41.23 | Iridos | but as that doesn't even point to the correct database, it's useless |
| 10:41.25 | simonlnu | Camber: so what *is* the domain its supposed to have? |
| 10:41.35 | simonlnu | it's |
| 10:41.44 | Camber | simonlnu: It doesn't currently have one. Just an IP address appears usually. |
| 10:42.11 | simonlnu | did you check /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:42.45 | simonlnu | what about the nameservers the machines uses? |
| 10:42.50 | simonlnu | machine* |
| 10:43.25 | simonlnu | what about the files in the drupal instance? |
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| 10:43.57 | Camber | hosts just contains localhost etc. No sign of flywheels. Nothing came up from the drupal files when I used grep to search flywheels |
| 10:44.22 | alex- | Any way to be root with SFTP ? |
| 10:44.28 | alex- | e.g. sudo command |
| 10:44.38 | simonlnu | it's not a shell |
| 10:44.57 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.00 | Iridos | if ssh allows that |
| 10:45.25 | simonlnu | smacks the admin who would allow that |
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| 10:46.36 | alex- | Iridos: I don't want ssh root access |
| 10:46.40 | simonlnu | alex-: what's the *real* question? |
| 10:46.53 | alex- | How to do sudo with SFTP |
| 10:46.55 | alex- | XD |
| 10:47.05 | Iridos | well, have fun |
| 10:48.02 | simonlnu | alex-: What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 10:48.21 | alex- | simonlnu: editting /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 10:48.23 | dnano91 | hey, i'm trying to install debian with a usb stick, but the installer's trying to find a cd to get the packages... so how can i tell the installer to use the usb?? |
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| 10:48.48 | rook2pawn | alex-: i dont know about sftp but i know scp allows you to work as root |
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| 10:49.12 | alex- | rook2pawn: how? |
| 10:49.13 | simonlnu | alex-: um, ssh in. "su -" then edit, or "sudoedit". |
| 10:49.24 | Iridos | rook2pawn, only if ssh is configured to allow root to log in |
| 10:49.30 | alex- | simonlnu: that's ssh, not sftp |
| 10:49.34 | Iridos | which I think it is by default |
| 10:49.49 | simonlnu | i did say "ssh in" ... |
| 10:50.00 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 10:50.01 | rook2pawn | i just apt-get install open-ssh or something and then i can access via scp |
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| 10:51.17 | alex- | simonlnu: what do you mean? |
| 10:52.00 | simonlnu | ssh foo@bar.tld ; then run su - or sudoedit to edit the file.... |
| 10:52.20 | Camber | simonlnu: You said it wasn't a hack, but was a probe. Is that not as serious as a hack? If I had a domain set, would it not have affected anything in that email? |
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| 10:53.02 | cantido | thinks someone should get managed hosting.. |
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| 10:53.43 | guardian | hey do you know how to fix this? "perl: warning: Setting locale failed" happens after aptitude upgrade… i already dpkg-reconfigure locales without any success |
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| 10:54.09 | simonlnu | that was a request by a host in latvia to that domain, by a bot called webcollage. as you can easily find out, it's a spam bot (google it). i don't know where you got that domain, but sems to me something's not quite right with your setup somewhere. |
| 10:54.23 | simonlnu | cantido: no kidding... heh |
| 10:54.29 | babilen | alex-: Do *not* allow root logins. Disable password logins and only allow keybased (or kerberos) ones with passphrases. You *do* not want to edit files via SFTP, but you want to actually log into the server and then acquire superuser privileges. Everything else is potentially problematic. |
| 10:54.40 | Camber | Ok, thanks. |
| 10:57.55 | alex- | babilen: isn't there one way how i can do sudo over sftp? |
| 10:58.06 | simonlnu | alex-: NO |
| 10:58.14 | alex- | :( |
| 10:58.15 | simonlnu | IT'S NOT A SHELL |
| 10:58.25 | simonlnu | you need a shell to do that |
| 10:58.44 | alex- | :( |
| 10:59.02 | cantido | the question is.. if you need to edit those files, why can you only edit them as root |
| 10:59.11 | simonlnu | we told you how to do it, where that's possible. |
| 10:59.13 | cantido | there is a reason only root can edit them |
| 10:59.56 | Harzilein | he should be able to set it up with sftp -s |
| 11:00.37 | alex- | cantido: because normal users aren't allowed to edit config files |
| 11:01.02 | cantido | alex-: there's your answer. you aren't meant to be editing those files |
| 11:01.35 | simonlnu | subsystem? it won't ask him for any prompts... |
| 11:01.56 | Harzilein | he can have a private suid-root sftp binary |
| 11:02.13 | Harzilein | then he calls it with sftp -s /path/to/sftp-binary |
| 11:02.17 | simonlnu | he would have to set it up ;) |
| 11:02.35 | Harzilein | yeah, well, just saying that it is certainly possible |
| 11:02.53 | simonlnu | but to edit ? easier ways. |
| 11:03.07 | alex- | I prefer sftp |
| 11:03.13 | alex- | i can mount sftp as a local filesystem |
| 11:03.42 | Iridos | Harzilein, didn't meet the requirement to so "sudo within sftp" |
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| 11:05.01 | Harzilein | Iridos: make the subsystem a shellscript running sudo, when he already sudoed in another session he does not need to enter a password for a while. there, sudo for sftp |
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| 11:06.18 | \\z | Hey, just had a PATH issue and someone recommended that instead of amending the PATH variable I can create a symlink in the /usr/bin folder (which is currently in the PATH) to the folder I wanted to include |
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| 11:07.01 | \\z | It sounded like a weird way to do it, so I wanted to ask is there anything actually bad about this? Or common practice? |
| 11:07.08 | cantido | \\z: if you're going to create a symlink do it in /usr/local/bin |
| 11:07.36 | Iridos | right |
| 11:08.05 | \\z | cantido: At the risk of revealing my ignorance on the subject, what's the difference? :X |
| 11:08.06 | Iridos | \\z, nuffin weird to it, but stay out of /bin and /usr/bin where the packages put their stuff |
| 11:08.31 | Iridos | \\z, the difference is, that no package ever puts anything in /usr/local/bin |
| 11:08.36 | \\z | I see |
| 11:08.39 | \\z | Makes sense, ty |
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| 11:08.51 | cantido | setting the PATH will be easier to manage if it's a lot of stuff.. like a toolchain or something |
| 11:08.54 | Iridos | and all the stuff in there will be "your mess" |
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| 11:09.22 | cantido | or if you want to override stuff you should use $PATH |
| 11:10.57 | \\z | It's just one file that, for some reason, didn't install in one of the usual /bin locations (even though it shouldn't, according to the doc) |
| 11:11.08 | \\z | So I guess symlink to the path where it actually installed in is ok? |
| 11:11.28 | cantido | \\z: yes |
| 11:11.35 | \\z | Alrighty, thanks |
| 11:11.50 | \\z | And I meant even though it should* not shouldn't >< |
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| 11:13.33 | Iridos | \\z, err.. if you install stuff outside debians packaging system, I would suggest you put all that to /usr/local/ |
| 11:14.09 | \\z | Ok... stupid ruby gems x.x |
| 11:14.40 | \\z | They have their own installer, something apt-get like, and I don't think it follows the usual rules :X least it doesn't seem that way |
| 11:15.15 | Harzilein | alex-: |
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| 11:15.26 | alex- | yes? |
| 11:15.29 | Harzilein | $ mkdir sshfs ; sshfs -o sftp_server="/usr/bin/sudo /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" harzilein@localhost:/ sshfs |
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| 11:15.35 | alex- | what does that does? |
| 11:16.07 | Harzilein | sshfs$ touch foo ; ls -l foo |
| 11:16.07 | Harzilein | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 10 13:15 foo |
| 11:16.34 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 11:16.36 | Harzilein | alex-: you said you want to use sftp with fuse |
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| 11:17.22 | alex- | fuse? |
| 11:17.30 | alex- | sudo ? |
| 11:17.32 | cantido | Iridos: is that hands on head and screaming? |
| 11:17.47 | Harzilein | <alex-> I prefer sftp |
| 11:17.47 | Harzilein | <alex-> i can mount sftp as a local filesystem |
| 11:18.32 | Iridos | cantido, possibly pulling hair out |
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| 11:19.24 | Iridos | cantido, so, really it's /õ\ ˝\o/˝ |
| 11:19.40 | alex- | what does that command does? |
| 11:19.51 | \\z | Ok, another question >< I put a symlink in /usr/bin, how can I find/remove it? |
| 11:20.10 | cantido | \\z: rm works for symlinks |
| 11:20.24 | \\z | And how do I find it? I don't remember specifying a name |
| 11:20.26 | cantido | Iridos: :) |
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| 11:20.52 | Harzilein | alex-: you specify a different sftp subsystem, one that is wrapped by sudo. you must have passwordless sudo setup somehow, perhaps the timestamp thing i mentioned |
| 11:21.06 | \\z | Ah I suppose ls shows them as x -> y? |
| 11:21.22 | babilen | yay, passwordless sudo |
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| 11:22.43 | jelly | sudoes babilen |
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| 11:26.09 | meadhikari | Hey, why is this not working echo "http://google.com" | wget I get wget missing url |
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| 11:26.37 | alex- | sudo service sshd restart |
| 11:26.38 | alex- | sshd: unrecognized service |
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| 11:28.21 | vdonnef | Hi! Is it possible to create an arm deb package on a i386 machine? |
| 11:29.04 | cantido | vdonnef: as far as I know debian doesn't really support cross compiling of debs but emdebian have some tools for it |
| 11:29.49 | Iridos | meadhikari, stdin is not the same as a commandline-argument... man xargs |
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| 11:29.54 | cantido | , versions binutils |
| 11:29.55 | judd | Package: binutils on i386 -- lenny: 2.18.1~cvs20080103-7; lenny-backports: 2.20-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-16; sid: 2.22-6; wheezy: 2.22-6 |
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| 11:30.29 | cantido | Is judd able to look in debian-ports? |
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| 11:30.50 | cantido | wants to know what version of binutils is being used by m68k |
| 11:30.55 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.57 | alex- | what does this means? |
| 11:30.59 | vdonnef | cantido, ok. I saw dpkg-cross but it doesn't work. Emdebian provides tools which could be helpfull? |
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| 11:31.44 | cantido | vdonnef: they provide cross toolchains and some tools for doing cross building.. I haven't touched the cross building tools though |
| 11:33.07 | meadhikari | Iridos, How could you pipe input to such commands, actually i was using "nmcli con up uuid" and need to pipe a input to it |
| 11:33.11 | alex- | nvm it works |
| 11:33.51 | Iridos | meadhikari, did you look at "man xargs"? |
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| 11:37.31 | Mkaysi | Hi, does "aptitude build-dep" need "deb" line in sources.list or is "deb-src" enough for it? |
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| 11:38.11 | Iridos | deb, it's installing packages |
| 11:38.16 | Iridos | and isn't that apt-get build-dep? |
| 11:38.37 | Mkaysi | Both apt-get and aptitude have build-dep command |
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| 11:39.06 | Iridos | Mkaysi, if you're backporting to squeeze, try satisfying build dependencies from squeeze, though... don't add testing/unstable repos to satisfy build-deps... |
| 11:39.29 | Iridos | if you can't get all from squeeze, you should backport the needed libraries and -dev packages, too |
| 11:39.49 | Mkaysi | I am on Debian Sid and I am wondering can I add deb-src line of one Ubuntu PPA and then get build depencies for package in that PPA and then compile it |
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| 11:40.23 | nodiscc | Mkaysi: not recommended nor supported by debian, but I can tell you that should work |
| 11:40.35 | Mkaysi | Thanks :) |
| 11:40.37 | Iridos | Mkaysi, in principle, yes. Only package names in ubuntu can be different, so you might need to edit the .dsc file to reflect debian package names |
| 11:40.57 | Mkaysi | will see that soon |
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| 11:53.30 | alex- | Anyone can help me with setting up BIND ? |
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| 11:57.18 | nodiscc | alex-: https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 ; https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/BIND |
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| 11:59.56 | cantido | alex-: if you don't need all of the features of bind, maradns is smaller and easier to setup |
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| 12:01.18 | alex- | idk |
| 12:01.20 | alex- | I just want my websites to work |
| 12:01.31 | boston8372 | what is the prob |
| 12:01.41 | Eninem | stop being a whiny bitch alex- |
| 12:01.46 | Eninem | :D |
| 12:01.51 | Eninem | chill bro |
| 12:01.51 | alex- | dunno if I need bind9 for my websites |
| 12:01.55 | alex- | I need nameservers |
| 12:01.57 | alex- | for my domains to work |
| 12:02.11 | izepstan | hi, hello there, what is the easiest way to make url dependet redirections without apache running? |
| 12:02.15 | cantido | If you don't know what you need you should get managed hosting |
| 12:02.22 | cantido | or do some reading before jumping into it |
| 12:02.48 | boston8372 | oh yeah managed hosting solves problems lol |
| 12:03.20 | sunbeam | /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/dash, however we need /bin/bash, not /bin/dash. Therefore we do this: |
| 12:03.23 | sunbeam | is this recommendable? |
| 12:03.24 | ksk | sure it does, you pay people, they solve your problems :) |
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| 12:03.46 | ksk | sunbeam: we didnt get what you did, you may pastebin it |
| 12:04.21 | cantido | boston8372: people trying to get something running without prior research etc causes more problems ;) |
| 12:05.00 | sunbeam | ksk: install dash instead of bash |
| 12:05.21 | boston8372 | alex is better off on his own |
| 12:05.38 | alex- | boston8372: I don't think so |
| 12:05.51 | boston8372 | i stand corrected |
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| 12:06.10 | boston8372 | ok what is the bind issue |
| 12:06.53 | alex- | I don't know how to setup nameservers |
| 12:08.06 | boston8372 | alex perhaps someone should do it for you and document it |
| 12:08.15 | ChrisH | alex-: If you do not know how-to setup a nameserver, you should not run one in/on the internet. BTW., most NICs reqeust 2 Nameserver in different networks. |
| 12:08.39 | boston8372 | have someone remote and do it and doc it for you |
| 12:08.45 | alex- | Who? |
| 12:08.56 | boston8372 | ask someone here |
| 12:09.13 | cantido | ChrisH: two different ip's is usually enough, no one checks that they are in different networks, on different machines etc |
| 12:09.14 | ChrisH | alex-: where are you located? |
| 12:09.48 | alex- | ChrisH: holland |
| 12:10.17 | boston8372 | explain your config / firewall someone will jump in |
| 12:10.35 | cantido | so instead of either paying someone to host your stuff, paying someone to properly run it, or reading up on how to do it properly.. you should have someone unknown from IRC do it? |
| 12:10.43 | ChrisH | cantido: Hungarian NIC does :) They did not accept our hidden-primary setup we made for customer in automotive with 800+ Domains all over the TLDs |
| 12:11.03 | edogawaconan | hello |
| 12:11.03 | alex- | boston8372: clean debian install |
| 12:11.22 | edogawaconan | can someone point me to a good iptables/netfilter tutorial/book/guide? |
| 12:11.31 | cantido | ChrisH: they are one of the stricter ones then.. a lot of vps etc hosts give you two ips so that you can run a dns server.. .com etc is fine with that |
| 12:11.31 | Rydekull | alex-: http://freedns.afraid.org |
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| 12:12.08 | alex- | Rydekull: i'm banned ther |
| 12:12.10 | alex- | there * |
| 12:12.18 | Rydekull | haha, wtf? |
| 12:12.24 | boston8372 | that's right cantido why not |
| 12:12.27 | Rydekull | alex-: Ho.. wh.. say what? |
| 12:12.34 | alex- | Depending on the severity of the reason for your account's suspension, you may qualify for re-activation by setting up a premium membership. (This is true if you own multiple accounts). |
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| 12:13.02 | Rydekull | alex-: what did you do to get banned there then? |
| 12:13.12 | cantido | alex-: the people hosting your machine, vps, whatever might even offer DNS hosting.. you might want to check |
| 12:13.13 | alex- | Do NOT setup more accounts. Opening a new account will not help, as records inside of a frozen account are frozen systemwide until properly resolved. |
| 12:13.21 | nevyn | fhs says /srv debian defaults to /var/www |
| 12:13.25 | alex- | cantido: How can I check? |
| 12:13.29 | nevyn | sigh |
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| 12:13.33 | nevyn | damn scrollback |
| 12:13.50 | Rydekull | alex-: Well, contact your hosting provider or just buy DNS-hosting from a local hosting provider in your country and you'll be set |
| 12:13.51 | cantido | alex-: look at their help pages, the control panel they give you |
| 12:14.34 | alex- | cantido: they don't have any help pages, and i don't really understand the control panel |
| 12:14.37 | alex- | the control panel is proxmox |
| 12:14.57 | boston8372 | them dang control panels. wtf |
| 12:14.59 | Rydekull | alex-: Send them an email then? |
| 12:15.04 | Rydekull | how hard can it be? |
| 12:15.30 | alex- | they don't have an email address |
| 12:15.40 | boston8372 | who here has a real techie question |
| 12:15.54 | alex- | and their support is currently offline |
| 12:15.55 | alex- | so i can't ask them |
| 12:16.08 | edogawaconan | I can use a pointer to a good iptables/netfilter tutorial/book/guide |
| 12:16.17 | Rydekull | alex-: wait for them to come online then, we cant really help you any more on that subject ya know |
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| 12:16.35 | abrotman | alex-: how is this realted to Debian ? |
| 12:16.39 | edogawaconan | apart of lmgtfy |
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| 12:17.06 | boston8372 | edo u struggling with iptables ya say what is the prob |
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| 12:17.55 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 12:18.01 | edogawaconan | something so I can actually understand what this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Netfilter-components.svg |
| 12:18.10 | Bartzy | What's a good place to store my application files in a server? :) |
| 12:18.21 | Bartzy | is /opt fine ? or there is something more suitable ? |
| 12:18.32 | abrotman | Bartzy: what kind of files? |
| 12:18.41 | Rydekull | Bartzy: /opt i suitable for third-party applications, but it kinda depends on what the applications does and what files |
| 12:18.57 | Rydekull | is* |
| 12:19.02 | abrotman | !tell Bartzy about fhs |
| 12:19.05 | Rydekull | is on a train |
| 12:19.21 | Bartzy | abrotman: Well, it's a web application, but I want /var/www/my_app to be a symlink to someplace else in the filesystem, since I'm using a deployment tool |
| 12:19.33 | cantido | Does the m68k port work without an FPU? |
| 12:19.36 | Bartzy | I guess /opt/my-app is suitable ? |
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| 12:19.55 | abrotman | Bartzy: so look where something like horde or mediawiki puts files .. IIRC, it's /usr/lib/<appname>/ |
| 12:20.05 | Rydekull | Bartzy: I'd just push /var/www a lever down/up(depending on how you see it) and still keep it in /var/www, imho. |
| 12:20.07 | abrotman | erm ... /usr/share/<appnapme> |
| 12:20.17 | cantido | Bartzy: you can link stuff, but you need to make sure you don't configure the web server not to follow symlinks |
| 12:20.21 | abrotman | cantido: they have a small/friendly channel on OFTC |
| 12:20.23 | nevyn | fhs says /srv |
| 12:20.31 | nevyn | so /srv/my-app |
| 12:20.33 | nevyn | but.. meh |
| 12:20.34 | cantido | abrotman: cool, debian-m68k? |
| 12:20.36 | Bartzy | cantido: Yep. |
| 12:20.43 | abrotman | !tell cantido about m68k |
| 12:20.45 | Bartzy | abrotman: /usr/lib/ is a weird place to put it .. I think |
| 12:20.45 | Rydekull | nevyn: agreed |
| 12:20.50 | boston8372 | well edo we cant google better than you. them stacks are personal. |
| 12:21.01 | abrotman | Bartzy: i meant /usr/share/ :) |
| 12:21.01 | boston8372 | good luck |
| 12:21.06 | Bartzy | abrotman: Ah. |
| 12:21.11 | abrotman | boston8372: try edo<tabl> |
| 12:21.11 | cantido | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 12:21.19 | nevyn | thinks /var/www is stupid. but not as stupid as /home/httpd |
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| 12:21.41 | izepstan | hei, my question, i have a debian xen server with some vm's. now some url points to the ip of the xen host, how can i make a url dependent redirection to client ip, without apache htaccess redirection fuck... |
| 12:21.43 | Bartzy | well, /srv is cool |
| 12:21.46 | Rydekull | nevyn: /var/www has gotten so common though, so I, aslong as many others have gotten used to it |
| 12:21.46 | abrotman | nevyn: as long as it's documented .. who cares :) |
| 12:21.52 | Rydekull | nevyn: but, from the start, I disliked it |
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| 12:22.15 | cantido | variable data, www .. makes sense to me |
| 12:22.30 | nevyn | www isn't variable it's static |
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| 12:23.03 | Bartzy | Now I wonder if I should just tell my web server to serve: /srv/my-app/current as the docroot (current is a symlink to my-app/releases/some_timestamp_release/), or symlink /srv/my-app/current to /var/www/my-app/ |
| 12:23.07 | Rydekull | izepstan: Im not really following what you want to accomplish, perhaps you can lead with an example? |
| 12:23.31 | Rydekull | izepstan: I got several different options in my head on what you might want to do, but not sure which one you really want |
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| 12:23.59 | abrotman | Bartzy: or change DocumentRoot ? |
| 12:24.07 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 12:24.22 | Bartzy | abrotman: putting the docroot in /var/www/ is more understandable, even if it's just a symlink |
| 12:24.26 | abrotman | oh .. missed that |
| 12:24.35 | sunbeam | whats considered a good mp3 player for xfce? anyone? |
| 12:24.39 | anti_theocon | i have a problem with the bootloader not picking up my windows 7 install - |
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| 12:24.57 | abrotman | sunbeam: audacious? |
| 12:25.01 | boston8372 | debian rocks. does a tebow. |
| 12:25.11 | nevyn | anti_theocon: do you have os-prober installed? |
| 12:25.22 | anti_theocon | no - is that an debian app? |
| 12:25.34 | nevyn | it's a package |
| 12:25.45 | nevyn | it probes for non-linux os's and builds the grub config |
| 12:25.57 | anti_theocon | ok and i shall try it - sounds like what i need - ur a life-saver |
| 12:26.23 | nevyn | so install it. and then run update-grub |
| 12:26.30 | izepstan | Rydekull: ok, i have a root-server somewhere in a datacenter, then i have a local network at my workplace, with have one public IP. now i set up a backup-xen-server in my local environement, to have a geo-undependet backup. |
| 12:26.53 | nevyn | should get more aggressive about pruning down his kernel drivers. |
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| 12:27.19 | nevyn | then again building --enable-kitchen-sink has saved my butt.. |
| 12:27.20 | nevyn | sigh. |
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| 12:28.02 | izepstan | Rydekull: now i have a dns entry for all domains running there, something like backup.url. this points to the public ip on my workplace, on the FW i have NAT Port 80 to my xen-backup-server, on this running backup instances of the vm's |
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| 12:28.46 | izepstan | Rydekull: what i wanna do is now, redirect theses requests on the xen-backup-server to the matching vm |
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| 12:29.17 | izepstan | Rydekull: something like a url dependet nat |
| 12:29.36 | abrotman | that's apache redirection .. not netfilter |
| 12:29.45 | Rydekull | izepstan: You need apache then |
| 12:29.57 | izepstan | Rydekull: no chance without apache? |
| 12:30.13 | Rydekull | well, something else that does the smae thing as apache |
| 12:30.14 | Rydekull | but yeah |
| 12:30.16 | Rydekull | no |
| 12:32.02 | izepstan | Rydekull: but apache would do a redirection? |
| 12:32.12 | abrotman | it can, yes |
| 12:32.41 | izepstan | can i do if url is backup.url.com the send http request to ip 192.168.xx.xx ? |
| 12:33.12 | ChrisH | izepstan: sounds at first glance like you want a reverse-proxy apache running |
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| 12:33.34 | izepstan | ChrisH, yes that sound more comfortable |
| 12:33.34 | Jello187 | End of channel list. |
| 12:34.04 | sunbeam | abrotman: like a million packages get installed with audacious |
| 12:34.07 | sunbeam | is that correct/ |
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| 12:35.32 | abrotman | sunbeam: you can try -R .. or look for a smaller mp3 player .. does it have to be a GUI ? |
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| 12:37.48 | izepstan | would the squid proxy server be a good choice? |
| 12:37.50 | sunbeam | abrotman: yes |
| 12:37.56 | saulotoledo | Hello, I'm trying install posgresql inside a chrooted squeeze system (made with debootstrap) and I'm receiving this error: The program "postgres" is needed by initdb but was not found in the same directory as "/usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/initdb |
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| 12:38.17 | sunbeam | abrotman: pulseaudio: Failed to connect to server: Connection refused |
| 12:38.23 | sunbeam | when i start audacious in terminal |
| 12:38.26 | abrotman | is the daemon started ? |
| 12:38.28 | sunbeam | any idea how to fix this? |
| 12:38.31 | sunbeam | abrotman: how can i see? |
| 12:38.35 | abrotman | i have pulse installed, didn't even know it was used |
| 12:38.54 | sunbeam | (audacious:11141): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed |
| 12:39.07 | pom | What does "To quit: Ctrl-^" mean? What key is ^? |
| 12:39.37 | abrotman | sunbeam: maybe try quod-libet instead .. it's a GTK app |
| 12:39.50 | abrotman | pom: carret .. above teh 6 on the US keyboard |
| 12:39.57 | pom | On my keyboard I get that character from shift-pressing and then push space. |
| 12:40.17 | pom | Above the 6? I've got F-keys there. |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | no .. shift-6 |
| 12:40.33 | abrotman | ^ |
| 12:40.45 | phaidros | is it possible to have chrooted sftp/scp users (openssh) editing cronjobs/their crontab? a symlink is obviously useless, but is there a way? |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | pom: if you don't understand, find a picture of a US keyboard |
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| 12:41.50 | sunbeam | abrotman: audacious works fine after reboot |
| 12:41.56 | sunbeam | abrotman: how can i check if it left more errors? |
| 12:42.02 | sunbeam | in /var/log/syslog? |
| 12:42.13 | pom | I understand. But I don't know how that translates to my keyboard. I can't type that character with a single combination keypress. |
| 12:42.53 | abrotman | sunbeam: run it from the console ? |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | sunbeam: but reqally quodlibet might be less .. stuff on your box |
| 12:43.40 | sunbeam | i'm already running it, works quite ok |
| 12:43.46 | sunbeam | is this the unix equivalent for winamp? |
| 12:43.53 | abrotman | close enough, yes |
| 12:44.11 | cantido | sunbeam: xmms2 is in debian I think.. it's a winamp clone |
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| 12:46.13 | abrotman | cantido: no |
| 12:46.16 | abrotman | not even close |
| 12:46.30 | cantido | it looks a lot like winamp .. |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | cantido: it's a server/client model, with a few dozen interfaces (last i checked anyway) |
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| 12:47.36 | cantido | ok ignore that then :). If you don't need a good library thing.. vlc plays almost anything |
| 12:47.44 | sunbeam | the small icons on the left bottom of the desktop env of xfce4 - how can i place one (eg. iceweasel) new app there? |
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| 12:54.19 | quitte | hi. has anyone gotten the vdpausink to work with gstreamer? |
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| 13:09.57 | Samwan | hi guys |
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| 13:10.20 | Samwan | is there a known working armel port of the libflashplayer.so working under debian? |
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| 13:12.17 | xbix | hi guys |
| 13:12.46 | quitte | Samwan: i doubt anyone got the android flashplayer working on generic linux |
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| 13:13.24 | Samwan | quitte: under ubuntu tegra2's platform ( arm ) it seems to work |
| 13:13.25 | Samwan | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100#Installing_Adobe_Flash |
| 13:13.35 | Samwan | but I am targeting OMAP3 or OMAP4 and debian |
| 13:13.45 | Samwan | so I don't know if I will face any problems |
| 13:14.02 | quitte | Samwan: surprisingly it seems you are right. those instructions might actually work : http://www.linuxforu.com/2012/03/linux-desktop-experience-arm-mips/ |
| 13:14.16 | Iridos | Samwan, only i386 and amd64 right now http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:15.18 | Samwan | Iridos: what about the oen source port? it was something like gnash, I don't remember |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | adobe didn't port flash to linux .. use gnash ? |
| 13:15.48 | Iridos | Samwan, but you can of course try that runtime library... |
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| 13:16.14 | Samwan | okay, but nobody can tell me if it will really work? |
| 13:16.21 | Iridos | !tias |
| 13:16.21 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 13:16.42 | Samwan | It would be more like "spend 170 USD, try and see" |
| 13:16.52 | Samwan | but well, I will have o |
| 13:16.53 | Samwan | to* |
| 13:16.53 | quitte | Samwan: it's just a single file. if it doesn't work delete it and there'll be no hgarm done |
| 13:17.04 | Iridos | Samwan, gnash is in armel and even the new armhf... |
| 13:17.32 | quitte | Samwan: sounds good. i'll take a root ssh shell and $170 to drop a file in your system |
| 13:17.43 | Samwan | okay, thank you, I will try, is there any place to report it as working if it will, so others won't face the same question in future? |
| 13:18.03 | Samwan | quitte: what do you mean? |
| 13:18.13 | Samwan | I was talking of 170 USD to buy the OMAP hardware |
| 13:18.20 | quitte | ah i see |
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| 13:19.00 | abrotman | use gnash ? |
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| 13:19.21 | Iridos | Samwan, gnash will definitely run... with the limitations it has |
| 13:19.48 | Iridos | also I would guess Nokias meego/maemo have some adobe flash plugins for their browser |
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| 13:20.14 | xbix | gnash == cutted adobe flash 7(!) |
| 13:20.21 | sunbeam | I just plain installed apache and a bunch of apache plugins/addons on debian squeeze. What would be the best way now to add sites ? |
| 13:20.23 | xbix | it`s too old |
| 13:20.54 | abrotman | xbix: you won't have a choice soon |
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| 13:22.00 | Iridos | abrotman, why not |
| 13:22.03 | xbix | sunbeam: the best way? $ man apache |
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| 13:23.14 | Iridos | oi think it's called "configuring the webserver" |
| 13:23.17 | Iridos | :D |
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| 13:23.30 | Iridos | the best way to do it is to shun emacs and use vi(m) |
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| 13:24.23 | nevyn | hrm anyone have an idea why make-deb makes a -image file that's 64kish then just stops? |
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| 13:24.47 | jelly | nevyn: what's make-deb? |
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| 13:24.59 | nevyn | make deb-pkg |
| 13:25.01 | nevyn | even |
| 13:25.07 | jelly | leave it running |
| 13:25.15 | jelly | wfm |
| 13:25.22 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:25.26 | Lint02 | is there a text editor in debian with easy macro support? |
| 13:25.30 | nevyn | it's not getting bigger tho. |
| 13:25.35 | nevyn | emacs? |
| 13:25.38 | xbix | vim |
| 13:25.53 | nevyn | emacs is just piles and piles of macros |
| 13:26.05 | jelly | very nice of the kernel people to provide a way to build packages |
| 13:26.07 | Lint02 | can vim do mouse selection? or it is text-only editor? |
| 13:26.52 | xbix | Lint02: apt-get install cream |
| 13:26.59 | xbix | enjoi |
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| 13:27.17 | robokop | Lint02: yes it can :help mouse |
| 13:27.32 | Lint02 | !dpkg cream |
| 13:27.33 | dpkg | Cream is a configuration of the <Vim> text editor - conforming to Common User Access standards - for making Vim more approachable for beginners. Packaged for Debian, invoked by running 'cream' (default vim is untouched). http://cream.sf.net/ |
| 13:27.53 | xbix | like gvim |
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| 13:29.44 | Iridos | can I have some coffee with that cream? |
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| 13:30.01 | xbix | Iridos: & tea too |
| 13:30.48 | xbix | also he brings a newspaper |
| 13:33.17 | nevyn | jelly: hrm yay finished. |
| 13:33.33 | jelly | see! |
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| 13:40.11 | _znull | hey, I have a server it's possible to create a bootable ISO DVD? |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | Iridos: they won't be distributing a stand-alone, only with chrome |
| 13:41.02 | quitte | _znull: as in a live-DVD? |
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| 13:41.18 | abrotman | _znull: look at bootcd |
| 13:41.20 | Iridos | abrotman, chromium? |
| 13:41.33 | abrotman | not sure that counts |
| 13:41.40 | _znull | quitte : as in.. copy everything from my current server and make it bootable. |
| 13:42.02 | abrotman | judd: info bootcd |
| 13:42.03 | judd | Package bootcd (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: run your system from cd without need for disks. Version: 3.23; Size: 79.8k; Installed: 332k |
| 13:42.31 | xbix | _znull: read about squashfs. |
| 13:43.16 | _znull | xbix: thanks, i forgot to mention the server is kinda far..so only remote access i have. |
| 13:44.04 | xbix | _znull: $man scp |
| 13:44.06 | xbix | =) |
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| 13:45.35 | Iridos | $man? |
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| 13:47.01 | xbix | when a write "$" i mean that command with user priveleges |
| 13:47.07 | xbix | "#" root |
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| 13:51.51 | xbix | working day i over. may The Root help you |
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| 13:54.53 | ChrisH | My KDE4 has issues with the dual-head config. It does on each logout forget not to clone the displays. kdebase-bin 4:4.6.5-1 |
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| 13:57.34 | caravel | ChrisH: I experience this as well, to my understanding this is Xorg-related. You can force the dual head you want in Xorg conf, that's what I do (internal only) |
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| 14:00.18 | educr0w | I am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have .xinitrc (exec ck-launch-session dbus-session $HOME/.xstart) and .xstart (openbox-session), if I do that now X and Openbox doesn't start, if I delete and just run startx works fine, why could be that? |
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| 14:01.09 | thewanderer1 | educr0w: have you checked ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:01.16 | Iridos | caravel, I don't think that can be xorg-related... guessing how that works: some config in the DE/WM runs xrandr on login |
| 14:01.26 | ChibaPet | How about using .xsession instead of .xinitrc? |
| 14:01.29 | Iridos | caravel, the display manager in gnome doesn't have any problems |
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| 14:01.49 | ChibaPet | I don't remember why one or the other is invoked, but I use .xsession here with xdm and it does what I want. (Which includes starting openbox...) |
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| 14:03.03 | educr0w | thewanderer1: let me check :) |
| 14:03.06 | ChibaPet | Note that in Wheezy you need to remove the nox11 from /etc/pam.d/common-session to have your session management work properly. |
| 14:03.21 | ChibaPet | with xdm |
| 14:03.47 | ChrisH | caravel: on my stable KDE4 installation it works as expected. |
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| 14:04.24 | ChrisH | caravel: is there a simple way to dump the current running config? |
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| 14:09.00 | caravel | ChrisH: xrandr -q |
| 14:09.36 | caravel | ChrisH: or xrandr --current |
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| 14:11.14 | Iridos | hm, Makefile for a program has a couple of compiler choices to compile fortran |
| 14:11.21 | caravel | ChrisH: I have a nVidia card here, and when I was using nouveau+xrandr, I could run scripts, as a workaround, things like xrandr --output LVDS-1 --auto --output VGA-1 --auto --right-of LVDS-1 |
| 14:11.25 | n1x4 | Morning gents.. I just installed debian-arm on a 7in noname chinese netbook (can't remember where I got the files but the hostname == 'william' when it's booted). It works alright I suppose buggy as hell and all the perms. are out of wack but my question is, after I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade the thing spits out tons of x86 or hex code then goes into kernel panic and locks up (only during reboot/halt). Anyy thoughts |
| 14:11.52 | Iridos | pgf90, mpif90, xlf90, ifort, f95 and gfortran... I know pgf90 is commercial... any of the others in debian an a potential better choice than gfortran? |
| 14:12.00 | caravel | Iridos: good to know cf gnome, thanks |
| 14:12.31 | Iridos | caravel, cf? |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | n1x4: you'd probably want to ask #debian-arm on OFTC |
| 14:12.59 | educr0w | ChibaPet: I renamed .xinitrc to .xsession, maybe is a consolekit or dbus error, is ok in debian exec ck-launch-session dbus-session openbox-session ? |
| 14:13.24 | karlpinc | n1x4: I'm curious. You installed debian-stable with the netinstall? |
| 14:13.28 | n1x4 | Ahhh, ok... I tried debian-arm but no such channel.. |
| 14:13.47 | unkmar | help with aptitude errors: http://pastebin.com/Yb4hg41f |
| 14:13.49 | karlpinc | n1x4: On irc.debian.org. (or otfc.net) |
| 14:14.15 | unkmar | I've already attempted 'aptitude' -f without success. :( |
| 14:14.38 | n1x4 | karlpinc: No no man. I Just copied files from a tarball onto a SD and booted it up then ran upgrade from there |
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| 14:14.52 | n1x4 | Thanks guys... Sorry bout the wrong # |
| 14:14.56 | ChibaPet | educr0w: I don't use dbus-session here. Is it necessary? |
| 14:15.09 | ChibaPet | educr0w: I also don't see a dbus-session executable. |
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| 14:16.38 | educr0w | ChibaPet: uhm I came from arch, there I need console kit and dbus so thunar can automount usb for example, maybe dbus-launch is what dbus-session is on arch ? |
| 14:17.13 | thomaschaaf | I want to pretify the boot screen. I want to show an image or something instead of the cryptic text. My users get scared :( Can you point me in the right direction? |
| 14:17.23 | ChrisH | caravel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183143 seems to match |
| 14:17.34 | caravel | Iridos: cf. <Iridos> caravel, the display manager in gnome doesn't have any problems |
| 14:17.38 | caravel | :) |
| 14:17.47 | ChibaPet | educr0w: That may be the case. I thought I was getting Thunar automounting without it, but I may be confused. |
| 14:17.52 | Iridos | thomaschaaf, after a while the text stops being crypic and becomes insanely valuable when something goes wrong... while the picture is useless :) |
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| 14:18.11 | ChibaPet | educr0w: verifying |
| 14:18.42 | karlpinc | thomaschaaf: There's something, but I forget what. Perhaps search with debtags? |
| 14:19.28 | educr0w | ChibaPet: I remember that consolekit was for permissions, dbus for messaging, then thunar-volman and gvfs for automount, maybe is different with debian |
| 14:19.30 | Iridos | dpkg, tell thomaschaaf about plymouth |
| 14:19.34 | caravel | ChrisH: yes, thanks for the bug link |
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| 14:20.12 | Iridos | I still think text during boot is way cooler than showing some stupid piktscher |
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| 14:20.57 | ChibaPet | educr0w: No, you're very likely right. I'm not seeing automounting now, and I'm not running ck-launch-session or dbus-launch. |
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| 14:21.17 | caravel | ChrisH: dual head is (was ?) very very dodgyto start with under KDE, you may want to read that story https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=753450 Maybe, it got improved since |
| 14:21.45 | Iridos | caravel, I guessed you meant that... but what's "cf"? |
| 14:21.46 | educr0w | ChibaPet: ohh ok, I'll change dbus-session to dbus-launch and see what happen :) |
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| 14:22.35 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 14:22.57 | metalfan_ | is it true that linux can boot from a 80gb drive even if the bios has a 2.1gb limitation? |
| 14:23.01 | caravel | Iridos: ok :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cf. |
| 14:23.22 | ksk | metalfan_: sure. it can use just the 2.1G |
| 14:23.34 | educr0w | ChibaPet: nice, thank you!! X and Openbox starts, now I will install thunar and other stuff :) |
| 14:23.37 | ksk | but the answer to what you wanted to ask instead should be yes, too |
| 14:23.39 | ChibaPet | good good |
| 14:23.40 | metalfan_ | so if the first partition is below the bios limit it will work? |
| 14:23.55 | ChibaPet | educr0w: note that there are packages that will get a lot of what you want for you |
| 14:24.16 | ChibaPet | Look at xfce4 and xfce4-goodies. |
| 14:24.32 | ChibaPet | Beats installing by dribs and drabs and missing something. |
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| 14:25.10 | sunbeam | Is there a way to have the clicked wheel of the mouse behave the same on debian xfce as on windows? (eg. so that you can scroll with it) ? |
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| 14:26.12 | Iridos | caravel, cash flow! |
| 14:26.31 | metalfan_ | ksk do you mean only 2.1 gb from that drive will be available even after booting? |
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| 14:27.11 | educr0w | ChibaPet: ok thanks! |
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| 14:28.28 | Lint02 | why debian vim requires _ruby_ ? |
| 14:28.50 | bluewulf | my guess is scripts Lint02 , there is Vi |
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| 14:29.38 | unkmar | strange, only aptitude was confused by the damaged status package. |
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| 14:31.45 | karlpinc | metalfan_: /boot must be in the 2.1 gb. |
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| 14:32.26 | Lint02 | sunbeam, it depends on toolkit |
| 14:32.29 | metalfan_ | karlpinc but if theres another partition covering the rest of the drive, can it be used after boot or is the whole drive limited to 2.1gb? |
| 14:33.01 | pfred1 | 2.1 GB seems a blit cramped today |
| 14:33.13 | Dinkum_ | guys i am unable to ssh to my server, my port is open and i can "telnet myip port" and it shows open but using putty giving me error |
| 14:33.16 | karlpinc | metalfan_: I'm not clear. I'd bet that the whole drive could be used. You might possibly need a kernel command line parameter to tell the kernel how big the drive really is. |
| 14:33.18 | sunbeam | Lint02: how do you mean toolkit |
| 14:33.33 | metalfan_ | pfred1 it is |
| 14:33.42 | karlpinc | Dinkum_: What error? |
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| 14:34.02 | pfred1 | I'm up to 6.6GB on / and I'm just getting started installing stuff |
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| 14:34.12 | karlpinc | !tell metalfan_ about kernel parameters |
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| 14:34.29 | metalfan_ | pdred1 2.1gb means a pentium 1 system...im just asking out of curiosity |
| 14:34.34 | Dinkum_ | karlpinc: "server unexpectedly closed network connection" |
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| 14:35.02 | karlpinc | Dinkum_: Can you ssh to the box's IP number from the box itself? |
| 14:35.02 | pfred1 | metalfan_ some of the stuff I do is hard enough without adding more arbitrary limits |
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| 14:35.16 | Dinkum_ | yes |
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| 14:35.35 | metalfan_ | pfred1 im sure it is and im not expecting to work on that thing |
| 14:35.54 | metalfan_ | pfred1 even a 1.6ghz turion (amd mobile) is not fast enough for my day to day work |
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| 14:36.39 | karlpinc | Dinkum_: Sounds like some sort of firewall in the way. But, you can also look at the logs on the server to tell what's happening. /var/log/syslog has everything. (You could also crank up the verbosity, either in the server logs or somewhere in putty.) |
| 14:36.41 | pfred1 | metalfan_ there is no such thing as fast enough just as fast as I can go |
| 14:36.42 | linux-fox | hi, all |
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| 14:37.28 | pfred1 | which brings me to my quesiton does anyone here know of any directions for reconfiguring gcc on Debian? |
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| 14:37.31 | caravel | Iridos :D |
| 14:37.37 | Skilz_ | Greetings Comrades! |
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| 14:39.00 | sunbeam | I just started using debian as a desktop environment system. Does anyone have some recommendable applications for me that are worth installing? |
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| 14:39.09 | sunbeam | (eg. that are pretty common on windows etc) |
| 14:39.34 | pfred1 | sunbeam like games? |
| 14:39.36 | dvs | Synaptic! |
| 14:39.39 | SkilZ | sunbeam, Yes comrade I will tell you, one minute please. |
| 14:39.56 | karlpinc | sunbeam: That's a pretty broad question. What are you trying to get done? |
| 14:39.57 | colo-work | sunbeam, iceweasel (from mozilla.debian.net), mplayer2 (from squeeze-backports), icedove/mutt, vim/gvim. all you need. |
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| 14:40.25 | ansgar | colo-work: Nonono, you miss emacs there. |
| 14:40.32 | karlpinc | xeyes! Can't live without xeyes! |
| 14:40.37 | pfred1 | ansgar I'm glad you said it |
| 14:40.55 | SkilZ | sunbeam, Iceweasel, Icedove, VLC, XChat, qtorrent, Gimp |
| 14:40.57 | pfred1 | karlpinc I want to embed xeyes into my taskbar |
| 14:41.02 | sunbeam | just normal average web designer (design i still do in CS).. but tools like to code the designs (i normally do in notepad++) |
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| 14:41.36 | sunbeam | SkilZ: icedove is equivalent of thunderbird, right? |
| 14:41.43 | Dinkum_ | thanks guys |
| 14:41.44 | pfred1 | sunbeam I use bluefish if i want to make an html document |
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| 14:41.47 | Dinkum_ | port was conflicting |
| 14:41.50 | Dinkum_ | now working |
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| 14:42.32 | karlpinc | sunbeam: I tend to use emacs for all that sort of editing. Enable the <non-free> repos and install emacs23-common-non-dfsg for the docs/tuitorial. Some prefer vi. It's a religious thing. |
| 14:42.40 | pfred1 | sunbeam see if you like gedit |
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| 14:45.04 | pfred1 | sunbeam what karlpinc said is something you should try out enable contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list file then run aptitude update |
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| 14:46.03 | sunbeam | i did enable contrib and non-free already. howtoforge advised that in the perfect desktop tutorial |
| 14:46.08 | SkilZ | sunbeam yes |
| 14:46.17 | karlpinc | sunbeam: There's gimp, and inkscape, and ImageMagick. And perhaps xsane. |
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| 14:46.36 | pfred1 | sunbeam I have to do it myself there are a few non-free things I can't live without |
| 14:46.42 | sunbeam | i like vim, but i also would like to have some tool with which i can edit files live with ftp/sftp/ftpoverssh on a remote server |
| 14:46.53 | sunbeam | does anyone know a good (simple) text editing tool that can do this? |
| 14:46.56 | karlpinc | sunbeam: dia is sometimes useful. |
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| 14:47.14 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Use sshfs and mount the remote system and use any editor you like. |
| 14:47.21 | ansgar | pfred1: Are the punctuation marks missing on your keyboard? It's hard to read what you write. |
| 14:47.36 | pfred1 | ansgar no you're just blind |
| 14:47.51 | ansgar | I see. |
| 14:48.39 | sunbeam | karlpinc: what if my hosting account is only reachable through ftp? |
| 14:48.39 | pfred1 | is experiencing network technical difficulties today |
| 14:49.11 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Then it's as good as cracked anyway? |
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| 14:49.35 | sunbeam | i don't know, not every hosting account provides ssh access |
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| 14:49.43 | sunbeam | i don't say that's good or something, actually it pretty sucks |
| 14:49.45 | sunbeam | but still |
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| 14:51.48 | karlpinc | sunbeam: You can open the file "/ftp:user@host/path/to/file" with emacs. Emacs is pretty simple. You must remember 1 thing. Holding down ctrl and then pressing the x key and then holding down ctrl and pressing the c key exits. Everything else works as you might expect. |
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| 14:52.28 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Holding down ctrl and pressing the g key is also useful occasionally. It means "stop what you're doing, I goofed". Sometimes you need that. |
| 14:52.31 | pfred1 | I'd like to change this in my gcc config --build=i486-linux-gnu along with a few other things to more suit my system what is the best way to go about it? |
| 14:53.09 | sunbeam | hmm |
| 14:53.13 | karlpinc | sunbeam: If you exit emacs, it'll ask if you want to save the file. |
| 14:53.25 | sunbeam | i think emacs is too much command line for me |
| 14:53.39 | sunbeam | I want something like notepad++ for windows |
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| 14:54.13 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Emcas has a full gui. (I just don't use it.) If you use the gui you don't need to remember ctrl-x, ctrl-c. |
| 14:54.25 | karlpinc | sunbeam: oops, the syntax is: |
| 14:54.28 | sunbeam | ok lets check emacs out |
| 14:54.33 | karlpinc | `/ftp:USER@HOST:FILENAME' |
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| 14:55.25 | sunbeam | whats considered a good virus scanner for debian squeeze? |
| 14:55.26 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Trouble with using a mouse is that it takes forever to reach for the mouse and forever again to get your fingers back in the right place on the keyboard. You can be a lot more productive if you don't use the mouse. |
| 14:55.28 | pfred1 | karlpinc I installed the kitchen sink but for some odd reason I still can't get emacs to wash my dishes for me |
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| 14:55.50 | AminCX | how can i enter into another as i am root ? i want to enter into www-data user . |
| 14:56.30 | pfred1 | AminCX su www-data |
| 14:56.53 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 14:56.55 | AminCX | @pfredl: oh thank you i forgot that :-D |
| 14:57.02 | pfred1 | np |
| 14:57.07 | Almtesh | I'm running debian squeeze with a KDE desktop. |
| 14:57.21 | Almtesh | I'm using KMail as emal client. |
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| 14:57.40 | Almtesh | I want it to display custom headers in email displaying. |
| 14:57.59 | sunbeam | Almtesh: you like KDE more than XFCE? |
| 14:58.17 | pfred1 | Almtesh yours might be more of a KDE question |
| 14:58.18 | Almtesh | I've already found how to send custom header, but, nevermind that configuration, I can see them. |
| 14:58.22 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Mostly nobody bothers with virus scanners. People use clamav to scan for viruses on traffic passing through to protect MS Windows hosts. |
| 14:58.32 | Almtesh | sunbeam, I'm running KDE. |
| 14:58.51 | Almtesh | pfred1, that's a KDE question indeed, but not a KDE answer with it. |
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| 14:59.08 | karlpinc | sunbeam: clamtk is the gui front-end for clamav. |
| 14:59.09 | Almtesh | pfred1, so I'm taking a broader point of view. |
| 14:59.17 | pfred1 | Almtesh #kde is dead? |
| 14:59.19 | Almtesh | The channel is ##linux. |
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| 14:59.36 | Almtesh | pfred1, #kde is nearly six feet under. |
| 15:00.02 | pfred1 | Almtesh I have building 3.5.10 on my list of things to do |
| 15:00.14 | Almtesh | Nobody even talks about another subject. |
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| 15:00.34 | Almtesh | pfred1, what ? |
| 15:00.41 | Almtesh | pfred1, ressucite #kde? |
| 15:01.05 | pfred1 | Almtesh i want to make KDE 3.5.10 debs for my Squeeze boxes |
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| 15:01.40 | Almtesh | pfred1, make it, you mean… compile it? |
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| 15:01.50 | Almtesh | pfred1, I will not see you for a while. |
| 15:01.51 | pfred1 | Almtesh that is part of the process |
| 15:02.42 | pfred1 | Almtesh I have the source debs from Lenny it shouldn 't be too bad |
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| 15:03.51 | karlpinc | sunbeam: If you really wanted to you could run something like samhain. Install the debtags package and type "aptitude search ~Gadmin::monitoring~Gsecurity" if you want a list of other interesting security-ish stuff. |
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| 15:05.32 | pfred1 | how do I change my gcc target in Debian? |
| 15:06.29 | Almtesh | pfred1, that's not debian's ones. |
| 15:06.39 | pfred1 | Almtesh ? |
| 15:06.55 | Almtesh | pfred1, there's a file called README or INSTALL in the sources. |
| 15:06.57 | karlpinc | pfred1: Have your read the gcc info pages. It's hard to believe that there's not a .gcc file, or an environment variable or something. |
| 15:07.00 | pfred1 | Almtesh gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) |
| 15:07.13 | Almtesh | pfred1, there's a option to put on the ./configure script to do that. |
| 15:07.27 | pfred1 | Almtesh OK so I need to rebuild gcc? |
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| 15:07.49 | pfred1 | fair enough |
| 15:07.51 | Almtesh | pfred1, no, in the KDE's sources. |
| 15:08.02 | Almtesh | How do you rebuild gcc, with gcc? |
| 15:08.09 | pfred1 | Almtesh I'm not that far along yet |
| 15:08.21 | pfred1 | yeah you bootstrap it I've done it before |
| 15:08.31 | pfred1 | you actually build gcc with gcc |
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| 15:08.40 | pfred1 | stage 1 stage 2 |
| 15:08.56 | Almtesh | I eard gcc were not a compilator for gcc. |
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| 15:09.14 | Almtesh | pfred1, so the question is, how the first gcc was compilated? |
| 15:09.29 | pfred1 | you can compile stage 1 with whatever you have but by the end of stage 2 gcc has built itself |
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| 15:10.16 | pfred1 | least that is how it used to work it has been a while |
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| 15:16.21 | karlpinc | !tell sunbeam about overview |
| 15:16.29 | karlpinc | sunbeam: ^^ since you're new. |
| 15:16.47 | babilen | !tell sunbeam -about introduction |
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| 15:24.02 | n-iCe | where can I read about changelogs of a driver rtl8187 to know if changes have been made and in which kernels |
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| 15:25.14 | karlpinc | n-iCe: packages.debian.org is probably your best bet. |
| 15:25.14 | jordanm | n-iCe: kernel changelogs |
| 15:27.33 | n-iCe | ok, thanks |
| 15:27.44 | n-iCe | question, is unstable using the last kernel.org stable kernel? |
| 15:27.50 | n-iCe | or uses kernel.org rc kernels? |
| 15:28.03 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 15:28.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 15:28.56 | n-iCe | so sid is unstable |
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| 15:29.03 | n-iCe | ,gnome |
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| 15:29.11 | EmleyMoor | sid is, and always will be, unstable |
| 15:29.44 | Seb | n-iCe: there are rc kernels in unstable, but also the latest stable ones |
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| 15:30.05 | n-iCe | how unstable is sid, I mean crashes a lot? |
| 15:30.09 | sunbeam | karlpinc: its ok. I realise that security on debian is mostly a matter of proper configuring |
| 15:30.29 | sunbeam | and that there doesn't exist much well organised malware for debian |
| 15:31.12 | sunbeam | actually proper awareness is 99.9% of security on *any* os i think |
| 15:31.18 | xbix | Stable...unstable...rc..no rc.... But ene ub6250 card reader still not full supporting. Can't read superblock. |
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| 15:34.13 | n-iCe | could not find debian unstable, just testing |
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| 15:35.11 | anigma | can I add as many ipv6 addresses as I want on a single interface (eth0) ? |
| 15:35.36 | ubu64 | n-iCe: could be anything, it's unstable |
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| 15:35.53 | EmleyMoor | anigma: Within reason, you should be able to |
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| 15:35.58 | bh | mornin all |
| 15:36.02 | jordanm | there is probably some limitation to the number, but its probably higher than you would ever need |
| 15:36.16 | ubu64 | n-iCe: even debian itself changes |
| 15:36.33 | jordanm | !tell n-iCe about stable |
| 15:36.37 | n-iCe | ubu64: I'm downloading testing |
| 15:36.39 | jordanm | !tell n-iCe about unstable |
| 15:36.48 | bytetracker | mornin again :) |
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| 15:38.47 | ubu64 | n-iCe: I ran unstable for a while to use newer packages and it was somewhat ok, but you will probably have problems in the long run, even if it works at first. Testing can be better, but stable is best if you can live with older packages. Do you need a particular version of a package? |
| 15:39.52 | ubu64 | Do you really need a newer package? :) |
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| 15:41.09 | n-iCe | ubu64: well the lastest rtl8187 driver, don't know if comes with the kernel or what |
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| 15:42.29 | ubu64 | n-iCe: no idea about drivers sorry |
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| 15:48.52 | Jazo | which command i need to use create new user for shh ? |
| 15:49.03 | Sm0ke0ut | adduser |
| 15:49.19 | babilen | Jazo: What is shh? Users are typically created with adduser. Please read "man adduser" |
| 15:49.35 | Jazo | thank u |
| 15:49.49 | xbix | may be shh=ssh? |
| 15:49.55 | Jazo | yes |
| 15:49.58 | Jazo | ssh |
| 15:50.03 | Jazo | my bad |
| 15:50.10 | babilen | Could have been something else - Who knows!?! |
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| 15:52.04 | _stefanos_ | guys, with the latest updates on wheezy, i lost my skype settings and is not able to detect my onboard sound card. I have created alsaoptions in /etc/modprobe.d/ and up to now was OK. anyone can suggest anything? |
| 15:52.39 | jordanm | complain to skype? skype is not part of debian |
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| 15:53.07 | _stefanos_ | eeemmm...sound card problems even with google talk plugin? |
| 15:53.21 | krisfremen | complain to google? |
| 15:53.57 | _stefanos_ | i guess i logged in the wrong time to ask for a question. my bad |
| 15:54.16 | krisfremen | thing is, we don't really do tech support for all the plugins that come from various 3rd parties |
| 15:54.36 | _stefanos_ | it's a sound card issue with debian, not plugins |
| 15:54.54 | krisfremen | ok, do go on |
| 15:54.57 | jordanm | _stefanos_: setting being reverted on upgrade would be a bug. since it is not part of debian, you can not file a bug with the debian bug traker |
| 15:55.28 | _stefanos_ | ok |
| 15:56.42 | babilen | _stefanos_: Sound is not working *at all* or just not in skype? You might also be interested in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where we provide support for testing/unstable btw |
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| 15:57.41 | sunbeam | what's considered a proper ftp server app on debian? |
| 15:57.43 | sunbeam | proftpd? |
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| 15:58.26 | babilen | !tell sunbeam -about ftpmustdie |
| 15:58.53 | _stefanos_ | babilen: instead of use the onboard card, in my sound devices (of Skype) it displays only PulseAudio server (local) |
| 15:59.07 | babilen | !tell sunbeam -about ftpd |
| 15:59.21 | babilen | sunbeam: But really: Please do *not* put yet another insecure ftp server out there ;) |
| 15:59.55 | babilen | _stefanos_: Ok -- Do you have configured PA to be the default ALSA device? Is sound working *in other applications* ? Does speaker-test work? |
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| 16:00.28 | _stefanos_ | babilen: yes it works just fine. |
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| 16:02.27 | babilen | _stefanos_: "it" ? I assume that is either the entirety of "other applications" or "speaker-test" (presumably the latter) -- Have you configured ALSA so that PA is used as the default device? Is sound working for you flash plugin? |
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| 16:03.27 | _stefanos_ | babilen: as i said already, the sound works ok with tests and whatsoever. only certain plugins stopped working for some reason |
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| 16:04.52 | babilen | _stefanos_: We can't help you with skype -- I am merely trying to assess the problem. Is it reproducible with *any* software that comes from Debian? Did you configure ALSA so that PA is used as the default device? |
| 16:05.05 | babilen | _stefanos_: Is sound working in your flash plugin? |
| 16:05.31 | _stefanos_ | yes i can see movies with VLC, from youtube etc |
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| 16:06.22 | babilen | _stefanos_: Did you configure ALSA so that PA is used as the default device? |
| 16:06.31 | _stefanos_ | what's PA? |
| 16:06.32 | babilen | will stop asking the same question over and over again now |
| 16:06.38 | babilen | _stefanos_: pulseaudio |
| 16:06.55 | _stefanos_ | yes pulseaudio sees it as the first audio device |
| 16:08.05 | _znull | how can I enable a virtual host in debian with a2dissite ? thanks? |
| 16:08.16 | babilen | _stefanos_: But you didn't configure alsa specifically? In particular you do not have a /etc/asound.conf *or* ~/.asoundrc with the following content: http://paste.debian.net/162755/ ? |
| 16:08.28 | babilen | _znull: a2ensite? |
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| 16:09.55 | _znull | babilen : thanks again :) |
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| 16:10.15 | _stefanos_ | babilen: no, i don't have either of the both files you have mentioned. |
| 16:10.32 | babilen | _znull: You probably want to read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:11.28 | babilen | _stefanos_: Try it with that configuration. If it persists: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/bd-p/Linux |
| 16:11.41 | _stefanos_ | ok thanks |
| 16:11.43 | babilen | !tell _stefanos_ -about pulseaudio |
| 16:12.07 | babilen | _stefanos_: This configuration is also discussed in the forum post linked in the factoid dpkg just told you about |
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| 16:13.11 | _znull | babilen : how many years you have experience in *nix? |
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| 16:13.32 | Eninem | 8 |
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| 16:14.24 | tony87 | ciao |
| 16:14.26 | tony87 | hello |
| 16:14.31 | _stefanos_ | babilen: i have created the .asoundrc in my home directory. to apply the changes to my system, what command is it? |
| 16:14.34 | tony87 | !list |
| 16:14.35 | dpkg | tony87: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 16:14.38 | babilen | _znull: 13 - But that should be irrelevant. |
| 16:15.04 | babilen | _stefanos_: You have to restart pulseaudio -- It is probably easiest to just relogin or restart. |
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| 16:15.13 | _stefanos_ | cool, thanks :) |
| 16:15.18 | _znull | babilen : why ? experience = time no? |
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| 16:21.55 | tony87 | #musicmtv |
| 16:22.00 | Vespakoen | Hey guys, I need some help with dualbooting Debian and Mac OS X, I had it working perfectly, until I added a partition that would share data between debian and linux, I think the GPT & MBR records still look fine, but i could be wrong: http://pastie.org/3762840 what do you think? |
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| 16:22.47 | Vespakoen | Oh, btw, I use reFit, and when i choose linux on startup, it shows GRUB Resque> |
| 16:23.11 | Vespakoen | probably my debian partition got fucked by me adding another partition ? |
| 16:23.15 | Sean-Der | What do people use for a minimal install on a laptop for power management. I use Openbox as a tiling window manager and I am looking for a power management solution |
| 16:23.33 | Vespakoen | monat tiling manager =D |
| 16:24.06 | Sean-Der | spetrwm is my first choice, but I can't use it with my keyboard :( |
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| 16:26.33 | xbix | e16. Simple, quick, lightweight. Usebility over 9000. |
| 16:27.11 | Sean-Der | e16 is too much. I want a WM that doesnt exist |
| 16:27.26 | henry-nicolas | Hi everyone, I'm running Wheezy with gnome on a toshiba laptop. While suspend/hibernate is working perfectly, I would like to tell the system to not suspend if I close the lid while being in runlevel 0 (it's okay in runlevel 2 with gpm but at shutdown, I use to close the lid before the shutdown to complete; then suspending isn't what I wanted). I did tune some stuffs in /etc/debian/acpi-support, without a chance, I'm running upower, pm-utils, acpi-s |
| 16:27.27 | Sean-Der | Everything should be keyboard driven imo :D |
| 16:27.28 | henry-nicolas | upport... any though? |
| 16:27.32 | xbix | TWM |
| 16:27.36 | xbix | =) |
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| 16:27.48 | abrotman | Sean-Der: ratpoison ? |
| 16:28.15 | abrotman | can do everything fairly simply with only a keyboard in gnome3 |
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| 16:29.01 | babilen | henry-nicolas: It's a gnome thing. One second! I would also like to note that testing/unstable is typically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:29.02 | Sean-Der | Never actually used ratpoison! Maybe I phrased my question awkwardly but I am looking for a console based solution to Laptop power management. Maybe conky? |
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| 16:29.36 | abrotman | henry-nicolas: grep the logs to see if you're chaninging run levels, don't do anyting if you are ? |
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| 16:29.53 | Sean-Der | abrotman, XFCE is too heavy for me. I am a control freak so GNOME would kill me haha |
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| 16:30.17 | henry-nicolas | babilen: not a gnome thing; when I'm in run level 0 gdm is already shutted down, I just close the lid too quick |
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| 16:30.34 | tremon | Sean-Der: O |
| 16:30.34 | abrotman | Sean-Der: i just want stuff out of my way, don't generally care what it looks like .. i don't want ot have to fuss like oyu're doing now :) |
| 16:30.43 | tremon | hmm, let's try again |
| 16:30.58 | tremon | Sean-Der: I've been fairly happy with i3 |
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| 16:32.11 | abrotman | used to use blackbox a fair amount |
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| 16:33.26 | Sean-Der | abrotman, Well at least I am not in a TTY with tmux or screen it could always be worse :D |
| 16:33.53 | hoverbear | Sean-Der: Nothing wrong with that in some cases. |
| 16:34.02 | Sean-Der | I need to stop messing with my workstation so much I got distracted from stuff that is actually useful |
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| 16:34.15 | abrotman | Sean-Der: why would that be worse? |
| 16:35.26 | Sean-Der | Didn't mean bad as in I don't like the console. Just as far as being unable to settle on a GUI |
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| 16:35.52 | henry-nicolas | abrotman: I just checked the logs and indeed, it's switching to runlevel 0 then I close the lid before full power off then the laptop goes in suspend mode |
| 16:35.54 | Sean-Der | vim + ncmpcpp + lynx could do 99% of what I do everyday |
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| 16:40.51 | nvz | Sean-Der: I haven't looked at it in ages, but lynx was pretty limited last I used it.. links2 or w3m at least provide modern functionality.. frames, javascript, images, things like that |
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| 16:45.13 | sunbeam | how can I restore apache2 installation like it was at beginning? |
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| 16:45.38 | superlinux-hp | hi |
| 16:45.38 | nvz | sunbeam: you could hose your configs by doing a purge |
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| 16:46.43 | sunbeam | nvz: i want /etc/apache2/sites-available and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled like they were |
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| 16:47.21 | nvz | sunbeam: yes, well doing a apt-get --purge remove will get rid of /etc/apache2/ and when you install it again they will be new |
| 16:47.31 | superlinux-hp | I have my laptop HP pavillion dv6. I don't see /proc/acpi/fan . ans sensor detect could not find anything. and I want to keep my CPU fan running and always on. what should I do? |
| 16:48.16 | nvz | superlinux-hp: thats a bad idea.. and /proc/acpi is deprecated |
| 16:48.56 | superlinux-hp | nvz, just teach what I should do , then |
| 16:48.57 | nvz | superlinux-hp: not only does it waste power but it consumes dust and in the long run makes the cooling system fail due to wear on the fan barrings and being clogged up with debris |
| 16:49.14 | nvz | superlinux-hp: if your cooling system is not suffecient, then it needs serviced, not turned up |
| 16:49.32 | superlinux-hp | nvz, the laptop is brand new bro |
| 16:49.40 | sunbeam | nvz: this won't install all the other apache-*** packages I installed? |
| 16:49.48 | sunbeam | nvz: this won't install = this won't alter ? |
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| 16:50.02 | superlinux-hp | I got it this very christmas |
| 16:50.25 | nvz | sunbeam: if they are dependencies they would be removed too yes.. there is another way to just overwrite the configs.. but I don't know it off hand |
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| 16:50.42 | sunbeam | i just need to find that default file, that's all |
| 16:51.23 | nvz | !tell sunbeam about confnew |
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| 16:51.37 | nvz | sunbeam: dpkg should have an answer for you |
| 16:52.06 | nvz | sunbeam: thats safer than actually removing because that would remove dependencies as well.. this is just a reinstall with new configs |
| 16:52.37 | somiaj | confmiss might be another factoid to look at sunbeam |
| 16:52.47 | superlinux-hp | nvz, what you are said is correct but i want it as such just, fan is always on, for now. |
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| 16:53.17 | nvz | superlinux-hp: I don't see what the problem is then, I'm telling you as a technician certified in both hardware and linux that having your laptops fan running constantly is a very bad idea for overall health of your system.. it will wear your bearings, clog your system with dust, and degrade your battery much faster while providing no benefit at all |
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| 16:54.13 | nvz | my laptop is at like 45degC right now and the fan is off. thats perfectly normal |
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| 16:54.47 | superlinux-hp | nvz, 57 degrees centigrade for intel i7, is that ok? |
| 16:54.51 | nvz | superlinux-hp: if there even is such a device node, it would likely be filed under the new /proc/sys/ as /proc/acpi/ is a deprecated interface |
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| 16:55.21 | superlinux-hp | and i get 85 degrees sometimes when i run VMware |
| 16:55.35 | nvz | superlinux-hp: in general there is not a CPU on the market today that you have to worry about until its consistantly abover 65degC under light loads.. means you need new thermal paste and to clean the dust out of your heatsink |
| 16:55.47 | nvz | superlinux-hp: your machine will not shut down until about 95degC so.. |
| 16:56.02 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
| 16:56.04 | Q| | Using gdebi to install rubygems-1.3.7-3_all.deb, which displays following error message: "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: rubygems1.8 (= 1.3.7-3)" - I don't get it to be honest |
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| 16:56.26 | superlinux-hp | but i just hate the noisy fan! |
| 16:56.32 | Q| | Does this mean, there is "some" package out there, that needs rubygems1.8? Or what does it actually mean? |
| 16:56.41 | nvz | superlinux-hp: I thought you were asking how to KEEP it on.. |
| 16:56.50 | nvz | superlinux-hp: are you saying it IS staying on all the time? |
| 16:57.16 | Iridos | looks like |
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| 16:58.09 | nvz | superlinux-hp: I recently setup an auto-hide panel on my system that montiors CPU cores, GPU, HDD temp and allows me to control the throttle on the CPU.. perhaps what you need is to be using a different govenor to keep your cpu clocked lower.. |
| 16:58.10 | superlinux-hp | it stays on when it reaches over 65degrees and calms down under 50C |
| 16:58.34 | nvz | superlinux-hp: if you're doing intensive stuff, thats normal |
| 16:58.54 | superlinux-hp | nvs by default it's clocked on 800MHz and by ondemand |
| 16:58.58 | nvz | however if you're just light web browsing and using IRC then your CPU is over working itself and should be throttled as low as it goes |
| 16:59.27 | nvz | superlinux-hp: the GPU is generally what generates the most heat.. when doing 3d stuff |
| 16:59.35 | superlinux-hp | mmm |
| 16:59.48 | nvz | its normal for a fan to run when under load from 3d apps |
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| 17:00.48 | nvz | superlinux-hp: if your chief complaints are a noisy fan and hot machine and its brand new.. I'd say you didn't buy a very good machine and may need to look into alternate cooling solutions and change of use habit |
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| 17:01.03 | thelifelessone | Hi, I have an NTFS-formmated external drive that I'm trying to mount to debian, but it keeps giving me some error about permissions. Does anyone know what could be going wrong? |
| 17:01.21 | nvz | many laptops are simply not designed to be used on your lap.. heh. it traps the heat cause the intake is usually right where your leg would be |
| 17:01.43 | somiaj | thelifelessone: do you want to write to the partition? |
| 17:01.52 | thelifelessone | somiaj: Yeah, read and write. |
| 17:02.03 | nvz | I try stress to people I know to consult a professional when purchasing hardware so they get something that actually addresses all their needs and isn't poorly constructed |
| 17:02.04 | somiaj | thelifelessone: first you need to install the package ntfs-3g (so you can get write primisions) |
| 17:02.19 | superlinux-hp | nvs i am not really a fan of laptops. I just love desktops cos i can customize them |
| 17:02.20 | somiaj | thelifelessone: second, linux cannot use the nts partitions, it assigns all of them to a single user/group |
| 17:02.24 | thelifelessone | Ok |
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| 17:02.33 | somiaj | thelifelessone: so use uid, gid to give the user/group correct ownership |
| 17:02.41 | thelifelessone | how do I do that? |
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| 17:02.46 | nvz | superlinux-hp: well you can customize laptops highly.. just not poorly made ones.. heh.. see avadirect.com |
| 17:02.47 | somiaj | thelifelessone: I usually do this mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt -o uid=username |
| 17:02.51 | thelifelessone | ok |
| 17:02.54 | superlinux-hp | it's just a gift on christmass |
| 17:03.01 | thelifelessone | Will I need to do this every time I connect the drive? |
| 17:03.01 | somiaj | thelifelessone: provided /dev/sdb2 is your ntfs partition |
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| 17:03.23 | nvz | superlinux-hp: sometimes when I wind up with a machine that just isn't wokring out I try sell it to someone before I break it and go buy one more suited to my needs |
| 17:03.32 | somiaj | thelifelessone: depending on your system. If you use an automounter you can configure it to send the correct uid info |
| 17:03.48 | thelifelessone | Ok |
| 17:04.01 | nvz | Kinda torn on this laptop.. cause it was a gift as well.. and its hardware is suffecient perhaps even ideal for my needs, but its construction is piss poor |
| 17:04.03 | somiaj | thelifelessone: you can also configure it in /etc/fstab for the UUID of the partition so it is preconfigured (I personally just mount manually and type it out each time, but that is me) |
| 17:04.09 | thelifelessone | How can I figure of the correct device? It's not listed when I run mount |
| 17:04.44 | juicy | hi, is there a way I can broadcast a message but just to a certain user? |
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| 17:04.51 | nvz | thelifelessone: are you using a GNOME desktop? |
| 17:04.53 | somiaj | thelifelessone: if it is a usb device that you just pluged in dmesg | tail should be sufficent |
| 17:05.29 | somiaj | thelifelessone: that should tell you the device and partitions that was just connencted, you can use fdisk -l /dev/sdc (for example) to get the partition table if there are multiple parttions |
| 17:05.29 | thelifelessone | nvz: Yes. Fresh install from the x86-64 iso |
| 17:05.29 | superlinux-hp | nvs it's just convenient to me. ofr my work snd the like. and selling something of sentimental meaning like a gift from my younger brother feels like killing someone you know.. |
| 17:05.29 | thelifelessone | Ok |
| 17:05.33 | nvz | thelifelessone: gnome uses a volume manager which has hooks in gconf for its settings, and you can put those additional mount options in gconf so it happens automatically |
| 17:05.51 | somiaj | thelifelessone: though again I do things manually, others may have better advise for using gnome's automatic tools for such a thing -- I just don't like automatic things |
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| 17:06.06 | jordanm | juicy: "write" maybe |
| 17:06.16 | juicy | thanks :) |
| 17:06.18 | Iridos | nvz, dunno... my laptop is now, perhaps 8yo, and the fan seems to run pretty much all the time. I opened it up, got thermal paste and removed the dust-bunnies... which seemed to help a little bit for a week or two, then it was back. Dunno if I remember wrong, but in my memory, there used to be long periods when the fan wasn't running. Maybe has something to do with that recentish kernels don't understand the sensor anymore (i.e. I cannot get the temperat |
| 17:06.19 | Iridos | ure with lm-sensors) and the fan stuff seems to be done without involving anything linux |
| 17:06.22 | thelifelessone | well automounting would probably be easier for me |
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| 17:06.52 | somiaj | thelifelessone: then look though the gnome system tools/menu they should have a disk/volume manager of some sorts you can use |
| 17:06.54 | nvz | thelifelessone: a compromise between automatic and manual as somiaj is advising you on, would be a panel applet that mounts a device.. I'd recommend using UUIDs or Labels in that scenario as USB devices will rarely have the same device name |
| 17:07.21 | thelifelessone | Ok |
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| 17:08.21 | nvz | Iridos: could be any number of things, yes.. sometimes us tech savvy people overlook our own problems and just get on with life and don't take the time to investigate it thoroughly if it works.. heh |
| 17:08.24 | juicy | jordanm: but I wanna send it to all users logged in under one user, |
| 17:08.49 | juicy | jordanm: I have a bunch of people logged in as a user so they can ssh tunnel, thats why |
| 17:09.02 | thelifelessone | Ok, I tried the mount command, and it says the device does not exist, but I opened the Disk Utility, and used the device it told me my drive was listed under (/dev/sdb) |
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| 17:09.45 | Iridos | nvz, I just don't use the laptop much anymore :P But really I suspect it's because the fan isn't steered by anything set in the kernel, but probably runs on some bios-routines only |
| 17:09.48 | nvz | Iridos: one of the most common mistakes I find in servicing machines that are overheating and shutting down or such.. is use of far too much thermal grease which I believe actually spreads the heat down around the cpu trapping it more than transferring it.. the idea with thermal paste is to apply a small dot of it and let the heat sink spread it as it smashes against the chip.. if it leaks out the sides.. you used too much |
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| 17:09.52 | thelifelessone | I tried mounting it within the disk utility as well, and it's telling me I need to mount as root. |
| 17:10.04 | Iridos | well... can't force support that was removed from the kernel back - of course I could run a 2.4 kernel again |
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| 17:12.09 | ubu64 | Hi, what is the best way to create a vlan interface currently? vconfig is deprecated? |
| 17:13.08 | jelly-home | ubu64: if you're using /etc/network/interfaces for static ip configuration, just name your interfaces like eth0.50 |
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| 17:13.45 | born2troll | guys i installed pulseaudio from source but for some reason alsa is not connection to it... |
| 17:14.06 | ubu64 | jelly-home: OK, thanks, that worked, seems I got a Virtualbox problem. :) |
| 17:14.11 | jelly-home | ubu64: man vlan-interfaces |
| 17:14.11 | somiaj | born2troll: why did you install it from source? |
| 17:14.20 | ubu64 | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 17:14.35 | born2troll | somiaj, there was a bug using it with wine |
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| 17:14.46 | somiaj | born2troll: #debian will not support source installs of course. |
| 17:14.53 | born2troll | -.- |
| 17:15.04 | somiaj | born2troll: what version was the bug fixed? |
| 17:15.30 | nvz | feels the need to go figure out how to stop banshee from doing stupid OSD that always seems to be in the way of reading something else that is actually relevant to what he is doing |
| 17:15.33 | thelifelessone | Ok! I've got it mounted to /mnt |
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| 17:15.56 | born2troll | somiaj, i dont know... i dont even know if it got fixed at all... just downloaded the newest (1.1) ./configured made and installed |
| 17:16.10 | somiaj | born2troll: do you still have pulseaudio installed from a debian package as well? Did you have all the correct -dev libs for alsa (libasound2-dev I belive) to get it to complie with the correct options |
| 17:16.32 | somiaj | born2troll: well I would go run 'make uninstall' and hope there is an uninstall script, and figure out what the bug is and why you need a newer version |
| 17:16.43 | somiaj | born2troll: then check sid for the newer versin and /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 17:17.13 | nvz | thelifelessone: when using a desktop system, its best to make a directory under /media/ and mount there.. because this is understood by open desktop standards to be a removable media, and it will show up automatically on the desktop when mounted there |
| 17:17.14 | born2troll | somiaj, if i use the version from sid i have to update like 100 librarys |
| 17:17.27 | somiaj | born2troll: you do not USE the version from sid, you make a backport of it |
| 17:17.31 | somiaj | !tell born2troll -about ssbp |
| 17:17.48 | somiaj | ,check-backport pulseaudio |
| 17:17.49 | judd | Backporting package pulseaudio in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: liborc-0.4-dev (>= 1:0.4.11). |
| 17:17.59 | somiaj | ,check-backport liborc-0.4 |
| 17:18.00 | judd | No package named 'liborc-0.4' was found in sid/i386. |
| 17:18.11 | somiaj | ,check-backport liborc-0.4-0 |
| 17:18.12 | judd | Backporting package liborc-0.4-0 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 17:18.40 | born2troll | oh screw you guys im going to boot slackware |
| 17:18.42 | born2troll | so much simpler |
| 17:18.47 | somiaj | born2troll: seems you have a slight issue where you have to backport the liborc lib as well, but you should then be able to compile pulseaudio just fine |
| 17:18.52 | somiaj | ,versions pulseaudio |
| 17:18.53 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 1.1-3+b1; wheezy: 1.1-3+b1 |
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| 17:19.10 | somiaj | and sid has 1.1 -- that way you can install the newest pulseaudio as a debian package and get it to integrate with your system |
| 17:19.52 | Iridos | actually... I found a bug reappear in wine-unstable 1.3.28 but the bug is not yet present in the wine 1.0.1-3.1 in squeeze... how'd I go about finding the version where the bug re-appeared? |
| 17:19.56 | nvz | banshee-- |
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| 17:20.14 | nvz | ugh.. just realized nowhere in its settings or gconf entries is there anything related to the damn OSD |
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| 17:20.38 | nvz | so I either gotta figure out how to make the gnome OSD exclude messages from banshee or I gotta use something else cause its pissin me off. heh |
| 17:20.52 | somiaj | Iridos: why not upgrade to 1.4 and see if it still there? (I'd suggest that first since no one wll be supporting 1.3.28) |
| 17:20.57 | nvz | I know what song is playing.. I CAN HEAR IT.. duh.. haha |
| 17:21.14 | Iridos | somiaj, well... I'd bet it's still there |
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| 17:22.06 | somiaj | Iridos: then it is parsing change logs and for wine that is a pita -- also have you checked the winehq bug tracking system. |
| 17:22.24 | born2troll | somiaj, i run the uninstall but for some reason its still there... also did apt-get remove pulseaudio... |
| 17:23.07 | somiaj | born2troll: unforntally that is the bad part about sorce installs, once you run 'make install' things just get copied onto your system and if you aren't sure where and what you could have a lot to clean up |
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| 17:23.36 | somiaj | born2troll: if the 'make uninstall' is not removing everything that it installed, you may have to figure out what it installed and remove it yourself/undo what ever the script did |
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| 17:24.25 | DziugasLietuvis | Supah |
| 17:24.28 | DziugasLietuvis | Anybody in? |
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| 17:24.37 | somiaj | nobody |
| 17:24.43 | DziugasLietuvis | Damn |
| 17:24.45 | Iridos | somiaj, didn't they have a download of debian packages for 1.4? |
| 17:24.50 | DziugasLietuvis | Shut the fuck up |
| 17:24.54 | DziugasLietuvis | I FUCK BITCHES |
| 17:24.54 | Iridos | carbon-something? |
| 17:24.57 | born2troll | somiaj, it seems to be uninstalled just a view things did not realise that now... anyway if i shall make it from source i need a little babysitting from you =) |
| 17:25.01 | DziugasLietuvis | FYCK FCUC |
| 17:25.03 | DziugasLietuvis | BITCH BITCH |
| 17:25.05 | DziugasLietuvis | MAADWDAS |
| 17:25.06 | DziugasLietuvis | FILWQDa |
| 17:25.06 | DziugasLietuvis | d |
| 17:25.07 | DziugasLietuvis | ad |
| 17:25.07 | DziugasLietuvis | aw |
| 17:25.07 | DziugasLietuvis | da |
| 17:25.07 | DziugasLietuvis | sd |
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| 17:25.11 | Iridos | hehe |
| 17:25.15 | Lint02 | !ops |
| 17:25.16 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 17:25.19 | Iridos | doesn't even need ops |
| 17:25.20 | somiaj | Iridos: not for squeeze |
| 17:25.29 | somiaj | Iridos: and it is actually 1.5 (not 1.4) |
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| 17:25.41 | Iridos | somiaj, 1.4 is what they think is "stable"? |
| 17:25.48 | somiaj | born2troll: again follow the instructions from /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 17:26.03 | somiaj | Iridos: yes 1.4 is what wine is calling stable and 1.5 is their developeent branch |
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| 17:26.15 | somiaj | Iridos: but the person making debian packgaes is only making 1.5 packages and only making them for sid |
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| 17:26.53 | somiaj | Iridos: /msg dpkg newer-wine (I thnk that is the factoid) |
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| 17:27.34 | twobitsprite | just installed a fresh debian testing system (install base stable, upgrade to testing), then installed xserver-xorg, kde-full and kdm... but it's not starting at boot |
| 17:27.54 | Iridos | without the "-" but yes, that's what I meant |
| 17:27.56 | somiaj | Iridos: if you want I help you make a custome wine package from the 1.4 source (My method makes a single package, so it is easy to install/uninstall and isn't split up) |
| 17:28.12 | twobitsprite | in fact, it almost looks like none of my runlevel 2 services are starting... |
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| 17:28.21 | born2troll | somiaj, i would love to but dpkg is flameing me and not telling a thing... |
| 17:28.21 | somiaj | Iridos: I use the cdbs (common debian build system) with dh_make, its like 2 extra commands from a basic source comiple |
| 17:28.27 | Iridos | somiaj, if there were kinda all versions in the debian archives, I could just go along those |
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| 17:28.35 | somiaj | born2troll: did you send it he message 'ssbp' |
| 17:28.41 | somiaj | !tell born2troll -about ssbp |
| 17:28.47 | sp4rc | guys, where can i find fsck.ntfs please? |
| 17:29.03 | somiaj | Iridos: yea unforntally the debian matainers don't care about wine. |
| 17:29.06 | jordanm | somiaj: most devs have/are moving away from cdbs in favor of debhelper |
| 17:29.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell sp4rc -about pdo |
| 17:29.13 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sp4rc about apt-file |
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| 17:29.35 | somiaj | jordanm: I know and I have been meaning too, but haven't found good/simple documentation to show me the differnecs, so I use cdbs out of I know it. |
| 17:29.51 | jelly-home | sp4rc: if there are real issues with the NTFS you need chkdsk from windows. |
| 17:30.02 | somiaj | jordanm: wasn't it dh7 that introduced a way you could do basically the same thing as the cdbs. |
| 17:30.02 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: the debhelper documentation is pretty complete |
| 17:30.09 | jordanm | somiaj: the new mainter guide only covers debhelper |
| 17:30.12 | born2troll | i got that one.... never mind... i replace the squeeze in the deb-src line with sid. Is that right? |
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| 17:30.31 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: and yes. It's an even smaller rules file than cdbs, and significantly more comprehensible |
| 17:30.32 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: yea I don't think I was looking for debhelper, but for dh_make manpages and the likes. (: |
| 17:30.48 | dondelelcaro | (and cdbs actually uses debhelper anyway) |
| 17:30.54 | twobitsprite | hmm, wonder if it helps to actually install xorg :P |
| 17:31.08 | somiaj | dondelelcaro, jordanm: thanks I will go look at the new matianers guide. (: |
| 17:31.10 | born2troll | somiaj, okey i replaced sqzeeze with sid in the src line...still feeling very uncomfortable... =/ |
| 17:31.27 | somiaj | born2troll: as long as it is a deb-src line it is ok (this won't give you access to binaries only source) |
| 17:31.30 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: but if you're actually interested in wine, I'm fairly certain that the wine developers would enjoy some assistance |
| 17:32.11 | jordanm | yeah... they need help packaging 50 different versions... |
| 17:32.51 | Iridos | somiaj, anyway... I don't think anyone fixed this bug after they went to the trouble of re-introducing it |
| 17:33.05 | somiaj | I just don't know what sort of assistance I could be. I really just have a simple system to compile a custom package (not split it up into libs/depends for various setups) |
| 17:33.19 | Iridos | somiaj, this thinking comes partly from the fact, that they intruduce the bug about 10 years ago and it was only fixed about perhaps 3 years ago |
| 17:33.23 | somiaj | Iridos: I would use the winehq bug system and submit it. |
| 17:33.26 | sp4rc | i know there is 'dpkg -S file' but this only works for installed packages |
| 17:33.35 | somiaj | sp4rc: look into apt-file |
| 17:33.45 | sp4rc | how can i find out which package i need to get file xyz? |
| 17:33.46 | jordanm | somiaj: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585409 |
| 17:33.56 | Iridos | somiaj, yeah... but the problem they always have is... the bugs appear together with commercial software... so not easy for them to test... |
| 17:33.59 | jordanm | !tell sp4rc about search |
| 17:34.29 | jordanm | !tell sp4rc about apt-file |
| 17:34.31 | Iridos | sp4rc, the factoid I let dpkg tell you told you that... look for a private message from dpkg |
| 17:34.39 | Iridos | jordanm, I did that already! |
| 17:34.43 | sp4rc | okay thanks |
| 17:34.49 | jordanm | Iridos: oops |
| 17:34.52 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 585409 |
| 17:34.56 | dpkg | #585409:I[wine] Please package wine1.2 series (sid squeeze wheezy); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:39:01 UTC [589371 589773 658970] |
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| 17:35.44 | krisfremen | what's a good GUI for doing a diff on tab delimited values? |
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| 17:36.16 | born2troll | somiaj, i cant hit the requirements to build pulseaudio... |
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| 17:36.44 | jordanm | krisfremen: meld, maybe |
| 17:36.52 | dondelelcaro | krisfremen: wdiff or similar |
| 17:36.58 | Iridos | judd, versions wine-unstable |
| 17:36.59 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.36-1 |
| 17:37.04 | dondelelcaro | (though that's not a GUI) |
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| 17:39.30 | krisfremen | dondelelcaro: I kind of wanted gui, since the amount of data I'll be going through is.. well huge |
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| 17:40.21 | xbix | gui for diff....may be you need gui for ping?(sorry, byt this realy stuped) |
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| 17:40.54 | jordanm | xbix: GUI diff tools can be really nice for dealing with git merges on a large code base |
| 17:41.05 | Iridos | krisfremen, (x)emacs ediff feature marks what exactly on a line has been changed, which can be... useful |
| 17:41.33 | krisfremen | xbix: I work with a lot of cli tools, but this is just not feasible on cli |
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| 17:42.41 | jordanm | quite a few of the "git mergetool" possibilitties are GUI diff tools |
| 17:42.44 | nkuttler | krisfremen: what are you trying to accomplish? you could import it into libreoffice, a database and what not |
| 17:43.02 | nkuttler | if you really need a visual of the data.. meh |
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| 17:44.16 | krisfremen | basically.. it's data from about 5 sources.. I need an "easy" way to sift through them and apply or reject changes.. and all has to be done manually.. |
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| 17:44.48 | krisfremen | and it's not just a few lines, about.. 2000 lines with about 50 columns each |
| 17:45.07 | catsup | [d@hydra:~]$ (df -h /srv/downloads/; df -m /srv/downloads)|grep /srv/ |
| 17:45.08 | catsup | /dev/mapper/raid1-downloads 492G 87G 380G 19% /srv/downloads |
| 17:45.08 | catsup | /dev/mapper/raid1-downloads 492M 87M 380M 19% /srv/downloads |
| 17:45.10 | catsup | wtf? |
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| 17:46.19 | Iridos | you've been hacked |
| 17:46.22 | Iridos | cracked* |
| 17:46.34 | catsup | unlikely |
| 17:46.42 | Iridos | hm, actually snapshots for wine baffle me |
| 17:46.48 | catsup | [d@hydra:~]$ which df |
| 17:46.50 | catsup | /home/d/bin/df |
| 17:46.52 | catsup | oic |
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| 17:47.39 | Iridos | catsup, you've been hacked by yourself? |
| 17:47.54 | catsup | haha i guess so |
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| 17:48.27 | Iridos | "unlikely" |
| 17:48.27 | Iridos | :D |
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| 17:53.22 | pa7iQ | hi, so if I understand correctly, I can use 8+ gb ram on a 32bit debian with pae kernel? |
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| 17:53.46 | kevlarman | pa7iQ: not that it's a good idea, but if you really wanted to, yes |
| 17:54.14 | pa7iQ | why would it be a bad idea? |
| 17:54.26 | pa7iQ | is it slow? |
| 17:54.31 | kevlarman | because it's a hack compared to a 64 bit kernel |
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| 17:54.53 | kevlarman | and each process is still limited to 4gb of address space |
| 17:55.03 | pa7iQ | yes of course, |
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| 17:55.39 | kevlarman | pa7iQ: if you really need a 32 bit OS, you can run it on a 64 bit kernel |
| 17:55.53 | pa7iQ | but as a user, I don't care if it's a hack or an elegant solution, the point is it works |
| 17:56.46 | kevlarman | pa7iQ: why use a hack (which will by definition be not as well supported) when the proper solution is just as easy? |
| 17:56.59 | pa7iQ | i'll look into upgrading to 64bit later, thanks kevlarman for the info |
| 17:57.05 | Iridos | pa7iQ, I use that with 12G of Ram... actually managed to hit the 4G/process a couple of times |
| 17:57.16 | twobitsprite | so... I installed the nvidia dkms package, but xorg doesn't like it... it loads nouveau, nv and fbdev, but for each one it says "couldn't load module" |
| 17:57.19 | Iridos | 2-3 times in over a year |
| 17:57.34 | kevlarman | pa7iQ: note there's a difference between a full 64 bit OS and just a 64 bit kernel |
| 17:57.47 | kevlarman | former is generally a better idea, but the latter is an easy upgrade |
| 17:57.50 | jordanm | twobitsprite: install and run nvidia-xconfig |
| 17:58.02 | Iridos | yes... running a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userspace is... "a hack" |
| 17:58.03 | Iridos | :P |
| 17:58.13 | kevlarman | Iridos: less of one than PAE |
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| 17:58.33 | pa7iQ | kevlarman: a full 64bit os upgrade would mean replacing all packages with 64bit versions? |
| 17:58.47 | jordanm | pa7iQ: it would mean a reinstall |
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| 17:58.51 | Iridos | kevlarman, more so? |
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| 17:59.02 | Zal | Does apt care (or even know) if a .deb in a repository is actually a symbolic link to a real deb file of another name? |
| 17:59.11 | pa7iQ | and I can just install a 64bit kernel only.. that would be easy yes |
| 17:59.24 | kevlarman | Iridos: 32 bit process support in 64 bit kernels isn't a hack |
| 17:59.26 | pa7iQ | but a full reinstall, I would like to avoid that |
| 17:59.51 | Iridos | kevlarman, no, but running a 64-bit kernel from a pure 32bit userspace is |
| 17:59.58 | kevlarman | Iridos: why? |
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| 18:00.11 | Iridos | kevlarman, how do you compile custom kernel modules? |
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| 18:00.41 | kevlarman | Iridos: in wheezy and up you can even have most of both userlands sitting side by side if you wanted |
| 18:01.04 | twobitsprite | jordanm: yep, that was it... :P |
| 18:01.22 | Zal | in other words, will anything complain if I ask to install "stable-foo.deb" which in the repo is a link to '1.45-foo.deb' ? |
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| 18:01.53 | pa7iQ | thanks for the info everyone |
| 18:01.55 | Iridos | kevlarman, you note that that didn't answer the question :) |
| 18:02.02 | somiaj | Zal: it shouldn't but I belive the standard is to use a meta package |
| 18:02.22 | somiaj | Zal: but I know on the actual mirrors stable is a link to squeeze, and it works just fine. |
| 18:02.36 | Zal | somiaj, thanks, do you happen to know a good link that describes meta-packages? |
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| 18:02.50 | kevlarman | Iridos: the only reason to do that is blob graphics drivers, and i'm assuming you aren't running a desktop if you need those |
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| 18:03.10 | Zal | found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages |
| 18:03.11 | Iridos | kevlarman, you aren't? |
| 18:03.13 | Iridos | huh |
| 18:03.20 | somiaj | Zal: http://davehall.com.au/blog/dave/2009/10/27/building-debian-and-ubuntu-meta-packages |
| 18:03.24 | somiaj | Zal: I found that in google. |
| 18:03.24 | kevlarman | Iridos: err |
| 18:03.39 | Zal | somiaj, excellent, thanks very much for the tips |
| 18:03.41 | somiaj | Zal: basic idea is the package is really nothing more than a place holder that depends on the actual package. |
| 18:03.43 | kevlarman | Iridos: i mean if you are avoiding a 64 bit OS |
| 18:03.52 | Iridos | ?? |
| 18:03.58 | somiaj | Zal: though they can be more complicated (look at the xorg meta package for example) |
| 18:04.01 | Zal | somiaj, got it, looks exactly like what I need |
| 18:04.04 | krisfremen | who's avoding 64 bit oses? |
| 18:04.11 | krisfremen | hell we'll be up to 128bits soon |
| 18:04.13 | kevlarman | Iridos: that said, testing and up make it fairly easy to build 64 bit code on a 32 bit os |
| 18:04.32 | Iridos | kevlarman, say you have kinda a lot of kinda proprietary 32bit-software and it's just easier to stick with 32bit... also if you might need to build that software |
| 18:04.53 | Iridos | kevlarman, yeah... we'll see how that "true multiarch" stuff works out |
| 18:05.11 | kevlarman | Iridos: i've already set it up :P |
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| 18:05.22 | kevlarman | haven't tried building wine with it yet though |
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| 18:06.49 | Iridos | right |
| 18:06.52 | Iridos | which I'm just trying |
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| 18:07.12 | somiaj | kevlarman: is really going to be much differnt than building wine in amd64 now? |
| 18:07.28 | kevlarman | somiaj: i'll be able to satisfy all the dependencies for once |
| 18:07.30 | somiaj | (i'd hope that the current ia32-libs package provides a meta/transitional package to the new multiarch version) |
| 18:07.33 | kevlarman | other than that no it shouldn't be |
| 18:07.38 | twobitsprite | dammit... still can't add the pager widget to my kde panel... anyone running kde in testing and having this problem? |
| 18:07.50 | somiaj | I never had any issues buidling wine on amd64, though you must need some depends I don't care about or need. |
| 18:08.00 | kevlarman | somiaj: yup |
| 18:08.13 | kevlarman | gstreamer is the one that's really difficult to get on 64 bit distros |
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| 18:08.35 | somiaj | ahh I guess I don't see why I needed gstreamer as all the thigns I use wine for work without it |
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| 18:09.14 | kevlarman | somiaj: you can replace its functionality with windows libraries |
| 18:09.27 | twobitsprite | ugh... nevermind... the problem is that the widget doesn't show anything unless you have more than one desktop, and I guess kde in wheezy is defaulting to 1 desktop now |
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| 18:09.51 | kevlarman | but having things work out of the box (and with free libraries) is obviously better |
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| 18:10.47 | pa7iQ | twobitsprite: works for me on unstable kde |
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| 18:11.15 | twobitsprite | yeah, it works, it's just that it defaults to only 1 desktop, in which case the pager widget shows nothing |
| 18:11.42 | twobitsprite | just upped the number of desktops and had like 10 pager widgets show up :P |
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| 18:12.55 | Iridos | so why does the wine stuff in experimental depend on wine-unstable |
| 18:13.10 | somiaj | ,versions wine |
| 18:13.11 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 18:13.23 | Iridos | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 18:13.24 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.36-1 |
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| 18:13.34 | Iridos | that kinda doesn't make sense |
| 18:13.37 | kevlarman | oh god that's still there? |
| 18:13.44 | Iridos | why would 1.1.24-2 depend on... 1.1.36? |
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| 18:13.54 | kevlarman | it needs to either be updated to something reasonable or removed |
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| 18:14.17 | somiaj | Iridos: that package too is out of date, I think the debian wine packages are just in a bad state and hopefully they will have something useable by wheezy as it seems to be issues for some. |
| 18:14.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: tbh, i think it needs to not be packaged at all |
| 18:15.01 | jelly-home | !newer wine |
| 18:15.01 | dpkg | The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for wheezy/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to squeeze with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support. |
| 18:15.04 | kevlarman | somiaj: unless backports are willing to release a new version every 2 weeks |
| 18:15.05 | Iridos | somiaj, http://snapshot.debian.org/package/wine/ gave me the impression I could at least go pretty much version by version if the bug re-appeared until 1.1.24 ... |
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| 18:15.44 | kevlarman | somiaj: 3 month old wine is hopelessly out of date as a general rule, 2 year old is just unreasonable |
| 18:15.51 | Iridos | so tried to backport/install 1.1.24 |
| 18:15.57 | somiaj | kevlarman: many people won't need the newest wine to get what they want. I think the issue is more how to satisfy all the different things people want/need wine to depend on. |
| 18:16.05 | Iridos | but... well, it depends on wine-unstable, which is weird |
| 18:16.19 | jelly-home | Iridos: don't bother with those at all. |
| 18:16.37 | somiaj | kevlarman: again depends on what you want to do, wine is really only out of date if it doesn't run the application you want, and I really only see this effect new or online/evoloving games. |
| 18:16.41 | kevlarman | somiaj: that means debian doing all support for their packaged wine |
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| 18:17.20 | kevlarman | somiaj: i think a third party repository is a much better solution |
| 18:17.35 | Iridos | jelly-home, seems I must |
| 18:17.48 | kevlarman | Iridos: 1.1.24 is unreasonably ancient |
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| 18:17.57 | jelly-home | Iridos: use curan's source (or binaries) instead, unless you know with certainty your app requires a specific 1.1.x version |
| 18:18.13 | Iridos | jelly-home, so any idea how I then can track down a bug that was fixed in the squeeze version but is again present in 1.3 wine? |
| 18:18.13 | Iridos | that's a LOT of versions to cover |
| 18:18.23 | kevlarman | Iridos: wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting |
| 18:18.27 | jelly-home | Iridos: is it present in 1.4-1.5 as well? |
| 18:18.31 | Iridos | plus debian patches |
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| 18:18.56 | jelly-home | Iridos: eh, build from source |
| 18:18.59 | somiaj | kevlarman: so your solution is to remove wine from debian, works for me. But third party repos are usually fairly bad. It would be nice to have 1.4 in wheezy when it releases and leave the third party/complining it yourself to those who want to. |
| 18:19.15 | kevlarman | somiaj: and when 1.4 is unsupported? |
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| 18:19.43 | Iridos | jelly-home, dunno, I must have compiled/packaged 1.3.28-0.5 at some time... for some game, I think(??), then took a lot of time for me to notice that it breaks chemdraw... again |
| 18:19.44 | jelly-home | kevlarman: 1.4 is the stable branch, going to be supported for quite a while. |
| 18:19.56 | kevlarman | jelly-home: i'm the one usually doing the support |
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| 18:20.11 | Iridos | jelly-home, so I installed the squeeze-version again and, indeedy, the bug isn't present in that |
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| 18:20.26 | kevlarman | jelly-home: as much as we try to help people with the stable branch, after about 1.5.10 the answer more often than not becomes "upgrade to the current version" |
| 18:20.36 | HS^ | hi i have added lines to cron with crontab -e |
| 18:20.40 | HS^ | but they are not running |
| 18:20.47 | HS^ | is it possible that cron has to be started ? |
| 18:20.52 | HS^ | crond or something? |
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| 18:21.03 | kevlarman | jelly-home: that said, it's entirely possible that 1.6 will become the stable branch long before debian is willing to update |
| 18:21.12 | Iridos | HS^, how do you know it's not running? |
| 18:21.24 | jelly-home | kevlarman: of course, a stable release would not carry 1.4.x updates because they don't fix RC bugs so... putting wine in volatile (sorry, stable-updates) could be an option |
| 18:21.53 | HS^ | Iridos the command should write a file to /tmp/testfile.txt |
| 18:21.54 | jelly-home | kevlarman: how much do you want to bet wheezy will be out before wine 1.6? |
| 18:21.58 | HS^ | when i run the command it works |
| 18:22.04 | HS^ | but through cron it never writes |
| 18:22.17 | HS^ | can i paste the 2 cron lines here? |
| 18:22.18 | kevlarman | jelly-home: i mean 1.6 being released while wheezy+1 is still a year off |
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| 18:22.35 | Iridos | HS^, what is the exact command? yeah... perhaps concatenate into one line |
| 18:22.44 | HS^ | * 0 * * * /usr/bin/php /var/www/cron/cron_everyhour.php |
| 18:22.44 | HS^ | * * 1 * * /usr/bin/php /var/www/cron/cron_everyday.php |
| 18:22.48 | HS^ | thats it |
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| 18:22.50 | kevlarman | jelly-home: and i didn't mean 1.4.x |
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| 18:23.04 | HS^ | i expect the first to run every hour and the second to run every day |
| 18:23.16 | kevlarman | jelly-home: you really do need to keep up with the current development version for a lot of programs |
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| 18:23.42 | kevlarman | (yes most of those, but not all, are games) |
| 18:23.52 | Iridos | kevlarman, bah, you really need to stick with the squeeze version for the program I sometimes need |
| 18:24.09 | jelly-home | Iridos: so keep multiple wines. |
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| 18:24.31 | Iridos | jelly-home, yeah... considering it... but would also be nice to pin down what it is |
| 18:24.33 | kevlarman | Iridos: track down the commit that broke it, and it'll be fixed in 2 weeks as a general rule |
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| 18:24.44 | Iridos | kevlarman, that's what I'm trying to! |
| 18:24.55 | HS^ | Iridos do u see anything wrong? |
| 18:25.04 | jelly-home | Iridos: reproduce using upstream build from source, bisect |
| 18:25.16 | Iridos | kevlarman, but there's a huge amount of commits between 1.0.1 and 1.3.x |
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| 18:25.25 | kevlarman | Iridos: around 15 steps |
| 18:25.39 | kevlarman | Iridos: binary searches are kinda awesome |
| 18:25.54 | Iridos | will see |
| 18:25.57 | kevlarman | Iridos: now, building 1.1.x (up to about 27?) is a pain right now |
| 18:26.04 | Iridos | each step means compiling the crap and getting dependencies right |
| 18:26.22 | kevlarman | Iridos: the dependencies is a one time thing |
| 18:26.45 | kevlarman | early 1.1.x requires a patch to build on modern systems |
| 18:26.52 | kevlarman | but stable might be old enough to not need it |
| 18:27.09 | Iridos | HS^, no, seems fine. you are aware, that /usr/bin is not part of PATH in the cron environment? I wonder if the php script tries to execute anyhing from there... |
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| 18:27.42 | kevlarman | Iridos: make sure you set up ccache unless you have 6 cores though |
| 18:27.45 | HS^ | dont know what you mean Iridos |
| 18:27.46 | wamty | in fdisk , printing the partition table, is it normal for the Start cylinder of the 2nd partition to be the SAME value as the End of the earlier partition? |
| 18:27.50 | HS^ | when i run the command it works |
| 18:27.55 | kevlarman | (4 for sandy bridge) |
| 18:27.59 | wamty | i remember it used to be a difference of 1, but right now on checking both my machines ive found the above. |
| 18:28.06 | wamty | both are primary paritions |
| 18:28.54 | Iridos | HS^, things in /usr/bin are not found when run from crontab. Except - as you did - if you supply the full path. So the bit you showed looks fine, but the script you run might still call things in /usr/bin |
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| 18:29.40 | HS^ | so it doesnt work |
| 18:29.49 | HS^ | is there a service that needs to be enabled? |
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| 18:31.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell HS^ about PATH |
| 18:31.13 | wamty | ideas? |
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| 18:32.03 | Iridos | kevlarman, har har... and may I point out, that at this point it benefits me to run i386 squeeze? |
| 18:32.04 | Iridos | :D |
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| 18:32.13 | fragrant | Hi, why is the sound low? from alsamixer, the Line, Master is higher |
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| 18:32.36 | Iridos | kevlarman, with PAE to allow for the 12G |
| 18:32.43 | kevlarman | Iridos: i actually don't know if wine that old builds cleanly on squeeze |
| 18:33.01 | kevlarman | there's the libpng issue that you don't have to worry about, and there's another one i forget |
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| 18:33.05 | Iridos | huh? I'm building the newest, as the website suggests |
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| 18:33.17 | kevlarman | Iridos: if you're bisecting down to 1.0 i mean |
| 18:33.22 | Iridos | or trying to... dunno if I can get all the dependencies |
| 18:33.46 | Iridos | kevlarman, nah... bug reappeared... it also was introduced some 10 years ago or so...but no need to search for that |
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| 18:34.07 | kevlarman | Iridos: what bug? |
| 18:34.14 | kevlarman | actually, let's take this to #winehq |
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| 18:36.39 | fragrant | Would anyone answer? |
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| 18:36.54 | xbix | about? |
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| 18:37.26 | fragrant | Why is the sound low? from alsamixer, the Line, Master is higher |
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| 18:38.46 | xbix | switch to max all. May be trouble with your acoustic, not with alsa? |
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| 18:39.23 | fragrant | With the same alsa from other distro i get loud sound |
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| 18:40.31 | xbix | Front, rear & other out to max |
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| 18:40.51 | fragrant | xbix: Yes, maximizing all from alsamixer, looks it works |
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| 18:42.08 | xbix | what about sound level in your player? |
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| 18:42.52 | fragrant | xbix: Yes, maximizing all from alsamixer, looks it works |
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| 18:47.03 | lorentzfactor | I just did a dist upgrade, and now installing anything wants to remove a load of packages, but I"m unsure how safe that is... |
| 18:47.28 | lorentzfactor | http://pastebin.com/DBjrHNeg |
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| 18:47.39 | lorentzfactor | is this just old packages from prior dist? |
| 18:47.43 | lorentzfactor | or something mucked up |
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| 18:53.37 | sanitypassing | Hi, can anyone tell me how I can add Japanese text support to my installation? |
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| 18:54.06 | TuRnaD0 | when i delete a user on debian, dos everything that i installet on that user, be deleted ? or do i have to uninstall the programs manuely ? |
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| 18:54.38 | ^Busy^ | TuRnaD0: If the user installed programs with the package manager via `sudo`, they must be removed manually. |
| 18:54.39 | jordanm | TuRnaD0: users do not have write access to install applications unless they do so in their home directory |
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| 18:58.20 | TuRnaD0 | jordanm: what is the command to give permission to users ? |
| 18:58.44 | jordanm | TuRnaD0: you can't they would have to escalate their permissions to root through su or sudo |
| 18:58.54 | jordanm | TuRnaD0: in both cases, the installation is being done by root |
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| 18:59.35 | TuRnaD0 | thank you jordanm :) |
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| 18:59.46 | jordanm | np |
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| 19:00.07 | TuRnaD0 | and thank you ^Busy^ :) |
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| 19:00.21 | ^Busy^ | np |
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| 19:00.53 | R0b_ | I have a server that seems to be stuck 1 hour behind for UTC. I used rdate and was able to set the local time to the correct time, how do I set UTC it is still an hour behind |
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| 19:02.32 | jelly-home | R0b_: can you show what "TZ=UTC date" and "date" commands actually say? |
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| 19:03.04 | Amnesia | question where are generaterd locales located? |
| 19:03.15 | R0b_ | jelly-home, date says: Tue Apr 10 15:02:50 EDT 2012 |
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| 19:07.13 | R0b_ | jelly-home, date -u says the right time.. ummm.... |
| 19:07.14 | R0b_ | grins sheepishly |
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| 19:10.47 | jelly-home | Tue Apr 10 19:10:46 UTC 2012 |
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| 19:11.26 | Amnesia | anyone on that quesiton? |
| 19:11.28 | Amnesia | question* |
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| 19:12.52 | Amnesia | dawud: also the ones generated...? |
| 19:13.00 | Amnesia | cause I can't find the utf ones over there |
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| 19:13.03 | Amnesia | I generated en_US.UTF-8 .. |
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| 19:14.50 | sanitypassing | is the debian.org mirror throttled? |
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| 19:15.34 | TuRnaD0 | what is alternative for "putty" on debian ? if it's the Terminal, how do i connect to a server ? |
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| 19:15.49 | Amnesia | TuRnaD0: ssh ..? |
| 19:15.51 | sanitypassing | TuRnaD0: Just use ssh |
| 19:15.52 | ompaul | ssh -C user@otherbox |
| 19:16.20 | TuRnaD0 | thx := |
| 19:16.22 | TuRnaD0 | :) |
| 19:16.22 | sanitypassing | You might need to add the openssh and openssl packages, but they should already be there |
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| 19:16.39 | ompaul | the client should be there already |
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| 19:16.53 | TuRnaD0 | Thank you guys, this is a great channel :D |
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| 19:35.25 | _Sam-- | hi, i forget what im doing wrong. trying to compile something from source ; have gcc installed ; have build-essential installed, when i try to ./configure i am getting checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
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| 19:36.02 | streuner | what are trying to compile? |
| 19:36.13 | streuner | you* |
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| 19:36.26 | _Sam-- | an afp client for mounting shares from an apple server. |
| 19:36.48 | _Sam-- | http://sourceforge.net/projects/afpfs-ng/ |
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| 19:37.44 | streuner | great "es it works. Documentation could be better, but hey it's beta." |
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| 19:38.09 | _Sam-- | if you have any other more suitable for rsyncing files from an apple file server to linux boxes, im all ears. |
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| 19:38.29 | kevlarman | _Sam--: um, rsync? |
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| 19:38.55 | _Sam-- | you cant rsync --- if you cant mount it...duh? |
| 19:39.11 | _Sam-- | so i have no way to use rsync, unless i can SEE the filesystem, which is AFP |
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| 19:39.19 | kevlarman | _Sam--: i generally use rsync over ssh |
| 19:39.46 | _Sam-- | that COULD work for this , rsync -e ssh....but using the shares would be the best, still. |
| 19:39.56 | _Sam-- | thanks for the idea. |
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| 19:40.38 | kevlarman | there's also an nfs server in macports, but i can't comment on its quality |
| 19:41.06 | _Sam-- | would be better if i could just make my gcc work properly. |
| 19:41.08 | streuner | OSX is fine, as long as you using it in there *OWN* world... |
| 19:41.15 | _Sam-- | so why is configure failing ? |
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| 19:41.37 | tremon | _Sam--: see config.log |
| 19:41.39 | streuner | well, configure log should tell you |
| 19:41.41 | _Sam-- | i have latest gcc for squeeze. i have build-essential...but cant configure / compile the source. |
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| 19:42.01 | streuner | missing -dev packages? |
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| 19:42.21 | kevlarman | _Sam--: look at config.log |
| 19:42.23 | _Sam-- | thank you. it seems to be permissions. |
| 19:42.30 | streuner | oh |
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| 19:42.42 | _Sam-- | ./configure: line 2890: ./a.out: Permission denied |
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| 19:42.49 | tremon | _Sam--: compiling on a noexec mount? |
| 19:43.05 | _Sam-- | nope, compiling on the root filesystem....in /usr/src....weird. |
| 19:43.08 | _Sam-- | as root. |
| 19:43.16 | tremon | _Sam--: don't do that |
| 19:43.39 | _Sam-- | http://www.pastie.org/3763955 |
| 19:44.14 | drwahl | why are sun-java-[jre,jdk] packages absent from sid? |
| 19:44.25 | drwahl | and wheezy |
| 19:44.39 | streuner | because java sucks? |
| 19:44.51 | dvs | no, oracle does |
| 19:44.56 | tremon | drwahl: because oracle doesn't want anyone using them anymore |
| 19:44.56 | streuner | sure |
| 19:45.14 | tremon | _Sam--: file a.out? |
| 19:45.27 | _Sam-- | i dont even know where its trying to write it. |
| 19:45.34 | streuner | dvs: you call names, but you are really think java is something useful? :-P |
| 19:45.39 | _Sam-- | ./ it looks like |
| 19:45.53 | drwahl | maybe i should come at this from a different angle: my browser (google-chrome) is not running java applets with openjdk installed. word around the net is that it's looking for sun java packages (which aren't in sid/wheezy). what's a boy to do? |
| 19:45.54 | _Sam-- | but the directory is chmod 777 .... so i dont know why it couldnt write there |
| 19:46.28 | dvs | streuner: I find it at least intriguing |
| 19:46.45 | kevlarman | _Sam--: tmp maybe? |
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| 19:47.09 | tremon | drwahl: point your browser to www.java.com and install it manually? |
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| 19:47.21 | _Sam-- | it says its trying to write a.out to ./a.out |
| 19:47.24 | _Sam-- | dunno...weird. |
| 19:47.29 | streuner | and the headaches starts |
| 19:47.37 | drwahl | tremon: sure, i guess i could bypass the packaging system... was hoping for a more graceful solution |
| 19:47.39 | kevlarman | _Sam--: it's trying to execute it, not write it |
| 19:47.41 | streuner | (www.java.com) |
| 19:48.01 | tremon | drwahl: as I said, the graceful solution has been made impossible by oracle |
| 19:48.20 | streuner | dvs: ^^^ |
| 19:48.23 | drwahl | tremon: ya, that's a sufficient answer. thanks for the insight |
| 19:48.37 | _Sam-- | kevlarman : i cant find any a.out's that have been been recently created anyplace... |
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| 19:48.44 | dvs | streuner: Yup, that's what I sez |
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| 19:49.08 | _Sam-- | using find . -name a.out from / produces nothing. |
| 19:49.17 | kevlarman | _Sam--: it probably cleans up, strace will tell you where it tries to write it |
| 19:49.23 | kevlarman | make sure you have it trace children |
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| 19:49.42 | Hans_Henrik | can i give 1 user several passwords? |
| 19:49.43 | Carnophage | drwahl: install java-package and use it to prepare java packages easily |
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| 19:50.12 | tremon | _Sam--: configure probably removes its test files, but the log should show you the contants of conftest.c and the exact commands it used. Did you pastebin all of config.log? |
| 19:50.35 | tremon | Hans_Henrik: why would you want to? |
| 19:50.53 | _Sam-- | tremon : no i did not. will gladly do that now. |
| 19:51.08 | tremon | s/contants/contents/ |
| 19:51.21 | drwahl | ok, so i tried installing from the binary downloaded from java.com, and i tried using the java-package package from the repos, and still no luck. my browser still doesn't seem to find java |
| 19:51.24 | Hans_Henrik | tremon: there is 1 user that has all the GUI-stuff running. several people needs access to that 1 account; the password already on that account is too obscure for me to remember |
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| 19:53.15 | _Sam-- | tremon : http://www.pastie.org/3763998 |
| 19:54.49 | tremon | _Sam--: see the here document in configure itself, around line 2800, put it in a file conftest.c and try to compile it with gcc |
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| 19:54.54 | streuner | mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592/ |
| 19:55.09 | streuner | Golden Earring - Eight Miles High |
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| 19:56.45 | tremon | Hans_Henrik: so, you have multiple people that need access to an already running X session? |
| 19:57.07 | tremon | wonders how many design faults went into writing that program |
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| 20:03.35 | Morgawr | hello everyone.. I just installed a new debian distro on this computer, I was wondering why I can't share the sound between different applications at the same time.. if I'm watching a youtube video, Banshee doesn't work. If I'm listening to music, youtube doesn't have any video.. |
| 20:03.39 | Morgawr | etc etc |
| 20:03.41 | Morgawr | any idea? |
| 20:04.00 | drwahl | Morgawr: i'm sure i'll get berated for this, but is alsa installed? |
| 20:04.16 | tremon | berates drwahl |
| 20:04.16 | _Sam-- | tremon : dunno. the crap compiled fine on another debian squeeze machine. |
| 20:04.18 | drwahl | doesn't like pulseaudio |
| 20:04.26 | streuner | too |
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| 20:04.31 | _Sam-- | cant explin why it fails on that one.....any tips would helpful. |
| 20:04.42 | Hans_Henrik | tremon: yes |
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| 20:05.06 | Morgawr | drwahl: yes it's installed |
| 20:05.34 | streuner | !dmix |
| 20:05.34 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem allowing an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously, without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 20:05.47 | Gromgull | say - in aptitude on the console, when resolving conflicts it says "the following actions will resolve this dependency" ... is there a way to actually chose one of these? |
| 20:05.55 | jelly-home | loves pulseaudio while it works |
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| 20:06.14 | streuner | jelly-home: you do read too much :-P |
| 20:06.17 | drwahl | i like the idea of pulseaudio, i just haven't had success in getting it setup and reliable |
| 20:06.18 | tremon | Hans_Henrik: there are very few ways to connect to an already running X session. Using xhost would be one, but you'd better be very sure that the network is trustworthy |
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| 20:06.38 | _Sam-- | (not to mention afpfs used to be a debian package , dont know where it went -- it was based on this source code) |
| 20:06.43 | Morgawr | so yeah wait, what do I have to do to share sound between applications? |
| 20:06.48 | drwahl | Hans_Henrik: X11vnc would give you access to an already running X11 session |
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| 20:07.24 | streuner | jelly-home: pulse* isnt bad, i have to read its docs one day... |
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| 20:09.00 | Morgawr | is it possible at all to have youtube playing AND banshee playing and get both audio at the same time? |
| 20:09.31 | Hans_Henrik | drwahl: when the screen is untouched for some time, it requires re-writing the accounts password to get access.. guess i can disable that though |
| 20:09.39 | tremon | Morgawr: ask dpkg about dmix, or scroll up |
| 20:10.07 | Hans_Henrik | drwahl: (even when using x11vnc) |
| 20:10.13 | Morgawr | http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix <-- this gives me 404 :| |
| 20:10.25 | streuner | Morgawr: or get a good soundcard :-) |
| 20:10.38 | dvs | he |
| 20:10.48 | Hans_Henrik | cant connect to opensrc.org at all here |
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| 20:11.13 | tremon | Morgawr: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc#dmix |
| 20:11.17 | Morgawr | streuner: this one is good enough to work normally, I'd rather solve the problem instead of walking around it |
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| 20:11.57 | Morgawr | thanks tremon, will give it a good read then |
| 20:11.59 | tremon | Morgawr: I'd try pulseaudio before trying any of this though, if pulseaudio works for you it's guaranteed to be much easier than configuring alsa |
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| 20:12.33 | Morgawr | tremon: I have no idea how to get that to work, I have both pulseaudio and alsa on this machine |
| 20:12.57 | streuner | Morgawr: to tell you the truth, i cannot see any effort using serveral streams at the same time |
| 20:13.11 | Morgawr | I execute banshee |
| 20:13.20 | Morgawr | and then I load a youtube video |
| 20:13.24 | Morgawr | and only one of those plays |
| 20:13.31 | Gromgull | has there been some big kde package rename? from kdebase-X to kde-X ? |
| 20:13.47 | drwahl | Gromgull: i use the virtual package kde-full |
| 20:13.49 | Morgawr | and even if I'm watching youtube and then close it and open banshee, it takes a few minutes for it to start running |
| 20:14.09 | tremon | Morgawr: use paplay to see if pulse is running (or pulseaudio --check), start it if it isn't (pulseaudio -vv would be a good start). Then configure your programs to use pulse |
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| 20:15.19 | Morgawr | tremon: looks like pulseaudio is running |
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| 20:15.27 | Morgawr | how do I configure it to run as default sound handler? |
| 20:15.49 | Morgawr | gnome3 isn't really helpful with this |
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| 20:16.10 | jelly-home | !cve lookup CVE-2012-1182 |
| 20:16.10 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2012-1182 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-1182 |
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| 20:17.00 | User_007 | hello guys, i am having some problems with a webcam on ARM... http://pastebin.me/2f00e4ad6dec61c756532d846e020773 |
| 20:17.10 | User_007 | can you help me please? |
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| 20:17.54 | tremon | Morgawr: pulseaudio is the only sound handler for gnome3, so that should be fine. I'm just trying to find the asoundrc recipe for pulse. iirc, it's something like pcm.!default pulse; |
| 20:18.14 | Morgawr | should I remove alsa? |
| 20:18.26 | tremon | Morgawr: no |
| 20:18.28 | Morgawr | http://ananthgs4geeks.blogspot.it/2011/10/setting-up-pulseaudio-in-debian-lenny.html reading this guide so far... |
| 20:18.31 | User_007 | please help: http://pastebin.me/2f00e4ad6dec61c756532d846e0210a9 |
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| 20:18.45 | streuner | Morgawr: ALSA is part of the kernel... |
| 20:18.55 | guardian | i was wondering, what's the point of logrotate's postrotate & sharedscripts compared to using lastaction? |
| 20:19.13 | tremon | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#Advanced_ALSA_Configuration |
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| 20:20.26 | tremon | Morgawr: ^^ |
| 20:20.29 | twobitsprite | guardian: I believe the difference is one is run whether or not the log was actually rotated...? |
| 20:21.05 | Morgawr | tremon: thanks a lot... so yeah, I set up the .asoundrc.. do I have to restart something now? |
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| 20:21.39 | tremon | Morgawr: not sure, maybe only the application |
| 20:21.40 | guardian | twobitsprite: man says about lastaction: after postrotate script is run and only if at least one log is rotated. |
| 20:22.26 | tremon | so, postrotate script is per-file and lastaction is per-run? |
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| 20:22.56 | twobitsprite | tremon: that might be it... yeah, looking over the man pages, it seems like postrotate happens after each file, and lastaction is after all the files for that block |
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| 20:23.34 | jelly-home | guardian: the point it probably: lastaction is fresh (I don't remember it), while postrotate and sharedscripts have existed for a while |
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| 20:25.17 | Morgawr | tremon: okay, it kind of works now.. thanks |
| 20:25.33 | Morgawr | there's some audio differences in volume and youtube still gives me troubles, but it's better than nothing :) |
| 20:26.17 | tremon | Morgawr: there used to be a tool pavucontrol where you could see/edit/reroute indivdual application streams in pulseaudio, not sure if it still exists |
| 20:26.58 | guardian | jelly-home: would make sense |
| 20:27.02 | Morgawr | tremon: gonna give it a go, thanks |
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| 20:28.36 | streuner | SharkMuttleworth: nice nick :-) |
| 20:29.36 | streuner | dpkg, SharkMuttleworth++ |
| 20:29.48 | guardian | jelly-home: i'm looking into logrotate's changelog but can't find when lastaction first appeared |
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| 20:30.36 | SharkMuttleworth | Thanks :D |
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| 20:30.56 | streuner | SharkMuttleworth: we unterstand us ;-) |
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| 20:33.44 | laidback_01 | So... I'm trying to install debian 6 on a Dell server which is using Broadcom network cards. Debian's policy of not including the binary blob to load the nic has stopped the install ... Does anyone have a pointer as to where to get these binary blobs which seem to be so evil? |
| 20:33.57 | Furao | I'm building my own debian package, and I have one of my package that depends on some other python package… that is only available for import after the trigger for python-support is done… but this is done at the end of the apt-get install $mypackage. but in my postinst I run a script that need to import this library… is there a way for me to force python-support to set things before the end? |
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| 20:34.27 | streuner | Furao: does the package have a name? |
| 20:35.05 | Furao | well it's two package that I made and it's not publicly available |
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| 20:35.45 | streuner | Furao: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 20:36.01 | Furao | it's a channel? |
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| 20:36.16 | streuner | sure, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 20:36.25 | tremon | laidback_01: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/, search for common firmware packages |
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| 20:43.20 | afidegnum | hello good morning all, I have been trying for the past 8 days now to fix this. I can send an email from my server but can't receive an email from it. I have created an A record to point to my vps server with mail, email and so on, but nothing seems to work. can you pls assist? |
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| 20:43.57 | nickdurfe | Try an MX record |
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| 20:45.14 | jelly-home | laidba... eh |
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| 20:45.22 | afidegnum | I have use my IP address as teh mx record |
| 20:45.24 | afidegnum | but still |
| 20:45.30 | User_007 | Hello Guys, i am trying to run a webcam to take some pictures (using cli), but i get some errors -> http://paste.debian.net/162793/ |
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| 20:45.47 | User_007 | Can you please help me with that? |
| 20:46.16 | jelly-home | tremon: <kmuto> or <firmware images> are easier to use |
| 20:46.21 | sanitypassing | Hi, can anyone tell tell me the name of the Japanese language pack? |
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| 20:46.47 | nvz | User_007: are you scripting this or something? |
| 20:47.00 | tremon | jelly-home: they're the links directly below the tarball links, right? |
| 20:47.05 | scientes | sanitypassing, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_%28East_Asian%29#Debian-based_GNU.2FLinux |
| 20:47.24 | scientes | sanitypassing, also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_%28East_Asian%29#Japanese |
| 20:47.29 | sanitypassing | Thanks |
| 20:47.31 | User_007 | nvz: at first i just want to take a picture, so i am just using the command on bash |
| 20:47.54 | jelly-home | tremon: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:47.59 | jelly-home | tremon: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 20:48.13 | tremon | way ahead of you... |
| 20:48.26 | nvz | User_007: I'm only asking because when I went to see if my webcam worked on this new laptop I figured maybe I should just try it first.. opened cheese and it just worked. May be the same for you.. heh |
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| 20:49.31 | afidegnum | any answer pls? |
| 20:49.33 | User_007 | nvz, on my laptop the same camera worked as plug and play with cheese |
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| 20:50.02 | tremon | jelly-home, to answer my own question: yes the links in <firmware images> are the same as the links on the installer page |
| 20:50.05 | nvz | User_007: so why exatly are we debugging doing things the hard way? |
| 20:50.25 | User_007 | nvz: but on this computer it don't work, it has no GPU, so i can't load a GUI) |
| 20:50.35 | nvz | ah |
| 20:50.40 | jelly-home | tremon: what, Debian pointing the user to EVIL, FIRMWARE LADEN bootables?!?!? |
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| 20:51.14 | tremon | maybe the website has been defaced... ;) |
| 20:51.14 | User_007 | nvz, i just tested it... the camera may run on other computer |
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| 20:52.18 | jelly-home | tremon: oh, the yellow box and red X are sufficiently frightening I guess |
| 20:52.36 | tremon | I suppose so... |
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| 20:53.04 | jelly-home | this, THIS is why Debian will NEVER be on FSF's list of Free GNU/Linux distros |
| 20:53.38 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: well, that plus offering contrib and non-free archives at all |
| 20:53.49 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 20:53.55 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: but they did put out a press release approving of our separation of firmware |
| 20:54.22 | nvz | User_007: doing just streamer -o foobar.jpeg as said in the manpage worked for me |
| 20:54.23 | jelly-home | good thing Debian took out the tar and GNU Libc manual out in retaliation |
| 20:54.28 | SharkMuttleworth | jelly-home: Does FSF approval matter any more? Debian sticks to strong principles. The FSF is fairly militant in its refusal of non-free software |
| 20:54.29 | User_007 | nvz: i just tried streamer on my laptop... worked fine... but on this computer it just don't work |
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| 20:54.50 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: heh, I can see how that looks like retaliation even though it wasn't ;) |
| 20:55.00 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: (timing was also radically different) |
| 20:55.03 | jelly-home | SharkMuttleworth: please adjust your sarcasm detector. |
| 20:55.08 | nvz | User_007: the program is horribly documented, there are two examples and it doesnt even mention any of those switches you used in the manpage or in the -h |
| 20:55.37 | ompaul | SharkMuttleworth: is debian called Debian GNU/Linux for nothing, just wondering |
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| 20:55.48 | nvz | User_007: if it were me, I'd promptly uninstall it and look for something else.. heh. if the streamer -o foobar.jpeg doesnt work |
| 20:55.52 | hoverbear | Man iwlwifi drivers suck on linux |
| 20:56.03 | Hydroxide | ompaul: it's called Debian GNU/Linux because we acknowledge the GNU aspect explicitly - yes, that was originally an FSF request |
| 20:56.05 | User_007 | nvz: it seems that the program is fine, |
| 20:56.12 | Hydroxide | ompaul: also in the distant past the FSF actually sponsored Debian |
| 20:56.15 | SharkMuttleworth | ompaul: It's called GNU/Linux to satisfy the ego of a certain individual |
| 20:56.34 | nvz | User_007: its not fine.. its a command line program which requires command line options that are not documented.. heh |
| 20:56.37 | scientes | SharkMuttleworth, the FSF specifically does not endorse Debian GNU/Linux |
| 20:56.37 | Hydroxide | SharkMuttleworth: ompaul: and currently Debian GNU/kFreeBSD exists which makes it a lot less gratutious - that really is a descriptive name |
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| 20:56.44 | scientes | SharkMuttleworth, so take your trolling elsewhere |
| 20:56.51 | User_007 | nvz: streamer --help |
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| 20:57.17 | User_007 | nvz: it seems that the program is fine, i must have to compile some other module o get jpeg to work |
| 20:57.33 | Hydroxide | scientes: he's right that it was an FSF request, and at one point in the distant past they did endorse Debian |
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| 20:57.37 | SharkMuttleworth | scientes: I'm aware of the FSF not endorsing Linux, which makes it even more bizarre to use the horrendous "GNU/Linux" moniker. No trolling. |
| 20:57.37 | Hydroxide | even sponsor it |
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| 20:57.47 | ougogo | HI all |
| 20:57.55 | scientes | Hydroxide, they even once sponsored Debian |
| 20:58.00 | Hydroxide | scientes: that's what I just said... |
| 20:58.06 | scientes | but GNU/Linux is like 100X more descriptive |
| 20:58.14 | scientes | especially with GNU/kfreebsd and andoird |
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| 20:58.18 | Hydroxide | scientes: yeah, enough people in Debian agree with you |
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| 20:58.27 | Hydroxide | scientes: I don't think it's just to satisfy RMS |
| 20:58.29 | scientes | i've read reports that Android is "Linux that isn't linux" |
| 20:58.33 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 20:58.33 | Hydroxide | but it probably was originally at his request |
| 20:58.34 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:58.37 | scientes | which is just bizarre |
| 20:58.39 | User_007 | nvz: the computer is not running a common debian kernel, instead it's running a custom (2MB) arm kernel |
| 20:58.43 | Hydroxide | nkuttler: thanks for the nudge, you're right |
| 20:58.44 | scientes | android is linux without GNU |
| 20:58.45 | Hydroxide | shuts up :) |
| 20:59.03 | Hydroxide | points everyone else at what nkuttler so correctly said |
| 20:59.22 | ougogo | I've a probleme. I've a centos 6 server with openvz. I've a VM with a dedicated IP, I can acces to this server, i can ping IP from this, but not domaine name. Anyone have a solution ? Thanks ! |
| 20:59.43 | SharkMuttleworth | ougogo: This channel is for Debian, not CentOS... |
| 21:00.01 | nkuttler | ougogo: you want #centos |
| 21:00.39 | ougogo | I juste realized my mistake . . . really sorry U_u (this is because my VM is on debian) |
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| 21:01.11 | scientes | ougogo, then it is On topic, you need to set your /etc/resolv.con |
| 21:01.18 | scientes | */etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:01.37 | scientes | ougogo, ask your host what DNS server to use, and set that in resolv.conf |
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| 21:03.49 | User_007 | how do i get wich modules do i need to run streamer ? |
| 21:04.09 | nvz | User_007: I'm not terribly familiar with this stuff as all I do is put tape over or remove cameras.. but seems to me that the program finds the camera which means the kernel side of things is fine |
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| 21:04.34 | nvz | User_007: unless there is a jpeg driver which I somehow highly doubt.. |
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| 21:05.32 | User_007 | nvz: the error part seems to be about the file formats... may i hae to install any lib in order to get it working? |
| 21:05.38 | tremon | User_007: maybe you'll have more success in #v4l? |
| 21:05.45 | nvz | User_007: if you're just trying to take a picture you need to do what I said and type streamer -o foobar.jpeg and if that doesnt work I need to see the output of that |
| 21:06.21 | nvz | User_007: because what you showed me is using command line options that are not documented and I have no clue what they do, and all I can gather from this is that it cannot create a movie file.. which I dont know why the heck its making a movie in the first place |
| 21:06.36 | User_007 | nvz the output is here http://paste.debian.net/162793/ |
| 21:07.20 | nvz | User_007: thats the output of a command with 3 undocumented switches, not the command I told you to type |
| 21:07.47 | nvz | I dont know what parts of that are relevant and what arent because what you typed has no documentation |
| 21:08.03 | nvz | and near as I can tell its not even trying to take a picture, its trying to make a movie |
| 21:08.30 | User_007 | the output is the same... |
| 21:08.36 | User_007 | let me do it again |
| 21:08.38 | nvz | I find that hard to believe |
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| 21:10.43 | User_007 | nvz: here i ran what you said and after a debug version: http://paste.debian.net/162800/ |
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| 21:12.58 | User_007 | nvz: i run it twice, once as you said and after i run with a -d (debug) |
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| 21:15.18 | User_007 | nvz: any clue? |
| 21:15.44 | nvz | User_007: didn't have a clue when we started.. but I'm still looking.. |
| 21:16.05 | User_007 | humm |
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| 21:16.35 | nvz | User_007: I dont understand what this movie writer is and what that has to do with anything.. this program is horribly documented I'd suggest trying something better docmented |
| 21:16.55 | User_007 | nvz: like what? |
| 21:16.56 | nvz | User_007: I have found online that users having this issue had better luck using ffmpeg for example.. which is very well documented |
| 21:17.16 | nvz | User_007: personally I didnt even know ffmpeg could do this, but apparently it can |
| 21:18.51 | nvz | User_007: you may very well have a kernel issue, but regardless we cannnot debug output messages from something neither of us understands and doesn't have documentation ;) |
| 21:19.37 | User_007 | nvz ok so |
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| 21:24.20 | nvz | hmm.. well think this could've been a libv4l issue.. but didn't get that far so oh well |
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| 21:28.40 | bk | I am working on choosing a VPS host, the one I have found offers Xen or KVM, what should I pick when using debian? Or does it really matter? |
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| 21:30.01 | jhutchins_wk | bk: That's a good question and I'm sure there's a definitive answer for it - check the forums! (And check back here too) |
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| 21:32.05 | bk | jhutchins_wk: this is forums.debian.net right? |
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| 21:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | bk: think so. |
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| 21:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | bk: I know we get people in here who know virtualization. My work is all VMWare, and I've done parallels, but I'm hardly an expert (or even knowledgable). |
| 21:37.37 | Na_Klar | Should one DROP forward requests or REJECT them? |
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| 21:39.21 | Na_Klar | (in respect to iptables) |
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| 21:40.32 | daemonkeeper | Na_Klar: Depends whether you want to be friendly or rude (or paranoid) |
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| 21:41.13 | dvs | likes rude! |
| 21:41.31 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:44.50 | streuner | dpkg, open ports |
| 21:44.51 | dpkg | somebody said open ports was # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp $port_number |
| 21:45.18 | streuner | that was the wrong factoid |
| 21:45.26 | Na_Klar | daemonkeeper, okay ... which one is the friendly one? xD |
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| 21:45.59 | daemonkeeper | Na_Klar: Guess? "Dear caller: There is no such peer. kthxbye" or "pff. get lost. I won't bother replying you" |
| 21:46.25 | Na_Klar | daemonkeeper, I see what you wanna say there ... |
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| 21:50.42 | philipp_ | guys is there a way to switch alsa hw device on the fly? |
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| 21:52.20 | Na_Klar | Does REJECT also reject-with-somehting on UDP ports? Or only TCP? Since you do not "have to" answer UDP requests .. |
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| 21:53.55 | FDFlock | perhaps ICMP? |
| 21:53.58 | FDFlock | is not sure |
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| 21:55.03 | daemonkeeper | Na_Klar: UDP is connection-less |
| 21:55.31 | Na_Klar | daemonkeeper, so it won't reject-with-something in any way |
| 21:55.47 | FDFlock | daemonkeeper, Na_Klar : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICMP_Destination_Unreachable |
| 21:56.01 | FDFlock | see code #3 |
| 21:56.13 | Na_Klar | FDFlock, ty |
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| 21:56.32 | FDFlock | Of course I'm not sure, you'll have to test it. |
| 21:56.33 | daemonkeeper | I didn't say it is not sent. I said "UDP is connection-less", i.e. it does not make too much sense there. |
| 21:57.41 | Na_Klar | the reject message is an icmp message, so it is not relevant if the request was over tcp or udp .. somehtin like that .. ^^ |
| 21:57.44 | FDFlock | As I understood the question, it was more about REJECT vs DROP. An interesting question BTW |
| 21:58.06 | Na_Klar | yea, right |
| 21:58.14 | daemonkeeper | The difference between REJECT and DROP is exactly the ICMP message you linked. |
| 21:58.27 | Na_Klar | indeed |
| 21:58.52 | Na_Klar | that was why I asked in regard to UDP .. but I did not consider that the reject message is icmp anyways |
| 21:59.42 | daemonkeeper | However, since UDP is connection-less there is no state associated with a packet sent to a destination. Thus, it doesn't matter very much whether the sender gets a REJECT message or not. |
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| 22:00.45 | FDFlock | UDP is connectionless, applications that use UDP aren't; they might implement state on top of UDP themselves. And such an app could be the port scanner of an attacker |
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| 22:01.30 | daemonkeeper | Yes. But that must not rely on a ICMP control message. That's my point, as UDP protocols need to be designed in a way not to get any ACK anyway. ;) |
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| 22:01.48 | daemonkeeper | err application level protocols on top of UDP |
| 22:02.19 | philipp_ | guys is there a way to switch alsa hw device on the fly? |
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| 22:08.46 | Na_Klar | philipp_, it is not possible, since the alsa library reads its configuration files only the first time when some device is opened. |
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| 22:10.19 | Na_Klar | an application would have to re-read the configuration, which it could if it would use the alsa api, but it surely does not .. |
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| 22:12.01 | philipp_ | Na_Klar, so is there a command to reset alsa? service alsa-utils restard workds? |
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| 22:13.19 | Na_Klar | philipp_, alsa reload or alsa force-reload could somehow work |
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| 22:13.41 | Na_Klar | but this won't change the configuration neccessarily |
| 22:13.53 | johnLAPACHE | Hi, is there someone ok wirh dante ? |
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| 22:14.36 | Na_Klar | dante is ok as an poet .. |
| 22:14.55 | Na_Klar | *a |
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| 22:15.37 | johnLAPACHE | lol, im not english so there is a way to understand me quickly ^^ |
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| 22:16.12 | streuner | Na_Klar: "va al inferno" |
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| 22:17.31 | johnLAPACHE | So here is my conf ( http://pastebin.com/G6E4mDC6 ), but when i curl with it, it returns a "connection timed out" |
| 22:17.37 | Na_Klar | streuner: le disputazoini de li filosofanti |
| 22:17.41 | streuner | Na_Klar: its italian, and its in german "geh zur Hoelle" |
| 22:19.14 | streuner | Na_Klar: thats what Dante says ;-) |
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| 22:20.51 | Na_Klar | johnLAPACHE, dante seems to be something like a socket listener or the like. It is not debian related from my point of view. |
| 22:21.43 | johnLAPACHE | its a debian package =) |
| 22:21.50 | johnLAPACHE | really |
| 22:22.12 | Na_Klar | I do not think #debian support every debian package ... that would be thousands ... |
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| 22:22.46 | daemonkeeper | And you judge which package in stable is supported and which not? |
| 22:22.55 | abrotman | Na_Klar: we try |
| 22:23.03 | abrotman | Na_Klar: if you odn't want to, excuse yourself |
| 22:23.22 | Na_Klar | well, I did not know that. My respects to you guys .. |
| 22:23.23 | simonlnu | you *don't* have to help. you can always keep quiet/lurk. |
| 22:23.52 | johnLAPACHE | Yeah, you right, I not found any other place to ask some questions. Any ideas ? |
| 22:23.56 | abrotman | johnLAPACHE: though you should probaby say what you're trying to do and what doesn't work |
| 22:24.04 | simonlnu | i'd suggest lurking for a while, see how this place works first. |
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| 22:25.17 | streuner | Na_Klar: sorry to be rude, but what should that be good for, at all? |
| 22:25.45 | Na_Klar | apologizes for the assuming assumption of what #debian supports or not |
| 22:25.46 | streuner | Na_Klar: you are running a desktop system |
| 22:25.48 | simonlnu | what?! streuner sorry?! OMG! :P j/k |
| 22:26.06 | Na_Klar | streuner, are you sure you want to ask that me? |
| 22:26.14 | streuner | Na_Klar: sure |
| 22:26.22 | jelly-home | dante is a SOCKS proxy implementation, server and client and a LD_PRELOAD wrapper library to socksify unaware apps |
| 22:26.28 | Na_Klar | streuner, so what should be good for what at all? |
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| 22:26.44 | streuner | Na_Klar: true, it makes no sense to me... |
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| 22:27.08 | abrotman | streuner: maybe you should lurk for awhile ? |
| 22:27.08 | Na_Klar | streuner, I do not get your point at all? What are you talking about? |
| 22:27.13 | simonlnu | Na_Klar: it's cool. just to be clear. debian stable is supported. anything not there isn't. for starters. second, it has to be debian-related, so like e.g. the web site is down, we'll redirect people to the right channel(s) (including filing bugs). |
| 22:27.23 | johnLAPACHE | Hahaha |
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| 22:28.12 | simonlnu | Na_Klar: there's more to it than that, but i suppose you probably figured that out. =) |
| 22:28.30 | simonlnu | touché abrotman ;) |
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| 22:28.49 | Na_Klar | simonlnu, thx for the absolution and explanation. I appreciate :-) |
| 22:29.05 | simonlnu | oh yeh, this too: DON'T IRC AS root ! |
| 22:29.26 | streuner | root__: just login as user, you are able to talk here then... |
| 22:30.12 | Iridos | simonlnu, also, if you do "!list", we're allowed to make fun of you? |
| 22:30.17 | simonlnu | hell, i'm paranoid about clients connecting to remote sites as root. |
| 22:30.38 | simonlnu | Iridos: that's an unspoken rule :P |
| 22:31.02 | sanitypassing | Hi, I'm trying to add the VLC mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list, but everytime I run apt-get update, it tells me that it can't retrieve the packages. I believe this is due to it trying to pull x86-64 packages, when the mirror does not have any. How can I tell aptitude to look for x86-only packages? |
| 22:31.15 | Iridos | simonlnu, apologies for speaking it, then |
| 22:31.37 | streuner | simonlnu: you should me better |
| 22:31.40 | streuner | know* |
| 22:31.41 | simonlnu | laughs |
| 22:31.47 | streuner | idiot |
| 22:31.48 | abrotman | sanitypassing: what is dpkg --print-architecture ? |
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| 22:32.05 | sanitypassing | amd64 |
| 22:32.13 | simonlnu | streuner: yes, that's why i'm teasing you. ;) |
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| 22:32.15 | sanitypassing | I did make sure I selected the right iso. :/ |
| 22:32.17 | abrotman | sanitypassing: so what makes you think you can use i386 packages ? |
| 22:32.37 | sanitypassing | Because amd64 is an extension onto the x86 architecture? |
| 22:32.57 | simonlnu | mm, not quite. |
| 22:33.05 | sanitypassing | well, in terms of compatibility |
| 22:33.13 | simonlnu | mm, not quite. |
| 22:33.17 | sanitypassing | :/ |
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| 22:34.04 | simonlnu | they share a common ancestor. you'll need some support libraries to run different architectures. |
| 22:34.11 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 22:34.14 | craigevil | sanitypassing, if you are running Wheezy just install the version in sid, if you are on stable /msg dpkg ssb or use the dmm repo |
| 22:34.17 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: you can't mix i386 and amd64 packages in current Debian stable. That feature is only now being introduced in unstable branch. |
| 22:34.24 | sanitypassing | I'm running squeeze |
| 22:35.21 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: if the vlc upstream's repository has sources, you might be able to build a package for local use from their sources. /msg dpkg package rebuild\ |
| 22:35.37 | Iridos | you know... that'll be a lot funnier in a year or so when people say "I'm running wheezy" |
| 22:35.39 | ksk | hey debian. |
| 22:35.41 | simonlnu | without the \ :) |
| 22:35.42 | ircWALK | most secure linux irc client? |
| 22:35.44 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: sorry, make that /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 22:35.50 | ksk | am i getting it right debians samba is affected by this one? |
| 22:35.53 | ksk | https://www.samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2012-1182 |
| 22:36.00 | simonlnu | ircWALK: one that isn't running |
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| 22:36.05 | EmleyMoor | 3 |
| 22:36.10 | jelly-home | !cve lookup CVE-2012-1182 |
| 22:36.11 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2012-1182 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-1182 |
| 22:36.17 | sanitypassing | jelly-home: You mean compile it locally? I've been trying that for about an hour. |
| 22:36.30 | sanitypassing | Too many dependencies that won't satifsy. |
| 22:36.30 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: using their deb-src? |
| 22:36.40 | sanitypassing | I can't even get the mirror to load. |
| 22:37.17 | jelly-home | ksk: does that link answer your question |
| 22:37.24 | ksk | jelly-home: yes, thanks. nice thingy! |
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| 22:43.30 | sanitypassing | Ok, trying build-dep again. It's telling me that it can't run because an unsatisfied dependency can't be met, but it's saying that said dependency is a different version, or something. |
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| 22:43.58 | Fluggoleum | hi |
| 22:44.10 | sanitypassing | libgnutls-dev : Depends: "libgnutls26 (= 2.8.6.1+squeeze2) but 2.12.18-1 is to be installed" |
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| 22:48.11 | Iridos | judd, versions libgnutls26 |
| 22:48.12 | judd | Package: libgnutls26 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; squeeze: 2.8.6-1+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.8.6-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.8.6-1+squeeze2; sid: 2.12.18-1; wheezy: 2.12.18-1 |
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| 22:48.36 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: you seem to have deb ... (binary package) lines for something other than squeeze enabled. Don't do that. |
| 22:49.03 | sanitypassing | I have Google Chrome and Spotify mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list, and nothing more |
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| 22:49.38 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 libgnutls26 libgnutls-dev" |
| 22:49.54 | sanitypassing | sure, just a moment |
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| 22:50.02 | Iridos | sanitypassing, you have wheezy or sid in your sources.list, else it wouldn't want to install 2.12.18-1 of libgnutls26 |
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| 22:51.28 | sanitypassing | https://gist.github.com/2355273 |
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| 22:51.47 | sanitypassing | I don't remember putting wheezy or sid in sources.list |
| 22:52.06 | sanitypassing | and I've only had this installation for ~8 hours, so there really wasn't time to forget |
| 22:52.12 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: you had it at some point, installed at least one package from there, and removed it |
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| 22:52.28 | Iridos | sanitypassing, that's old-age creeping up? |
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| 22:52.45 | sanitypassing | Iridos: I'm only 18, so I hope not. :) |
| 22:52.59 | Iridos | ha... earlier for some :P |
| 22:53.04 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: there's no other way to get libgnutls26: Installed: 2.12.18-1 |
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| 22:53.22 | jelly-home | also, misspelled "libc6" in that command |
| 22:53.27 | sanitypassing | whoops. |
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| 22:54.03 | sanitypassing | there, fixed the gist |
| 22:54.17 | streuner | gist? |
| 22:54.29 | sanitypassing | It's like pastebin, but on github. |
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| 22:54.35 | streuner | sources.list? |
| 22:54.41 | sanitypassing | I can gist that. Just a moment. |
| 22:55.04 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: you'll want to find out what packages got upgraded to versions not available in squeeze, and downgrade or uninstall them |
| 22:55.20 | sanitypassing | sources.list: https://gist.github.com/2355326 |
| 22:55.32 | sanitypassing | jelly-home: how difficult will that be? |
| 22:55.37 | jelly-home | !tell sanitypassing about not available |
| 22:56.13 | streuner | insane |
| 22:56.27 | streuner | this sources.list is insane |
| 22:56.50 | sanitypassing | fuse, fuse-utils, libblkid1, libfuse2, libmount1, libp11-kit0, mount, multiarch-support, ntfs-3g |
| 22:56.51 | sanitypassing | streuner: is it? |
| 22:57.00 | streuner | sanitypassing: sure |
| 22:57.07 | sanitypassing | :( |
| 22:57.52 | sanitypassing | it'll probably be easier to just reinstall, wouldn't it? |
| 22:58.26 | jelly-home | streuner: what's insane exactly? There's one duplicate line, and the rest seems fine |
| 22:58.59 | streuner | jelly-home: yes, the duplicate lines makes headaches to me, true |
| 22:59.16 | sanitypassing | which line is a duplicate? |
| 22:59.45 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: carefully install versions of mount and fuse stuff from squeeze, purge multiarch-support and ntfs-3g for the time being since they're either not essential or not part of squeeze |
| 22:59.52 | streuner | deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free, for example |
| 23:00.00 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: 5 and 13 |
| 23:00.19 | sanitypassing | so remove and reinstall, or what? |
| 23:00.33 | streuner | just comment them |
| 23:00.47 | streuner | via "#" |
| 23:00.51 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: remove multiarch-support and ntfs-3g, downgrade others to versions from squeeze |
| 23:00.55 | sanitypassing | ok. |
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| 23:01.03 | sanitypassing | I think I know how to do that. |
| 23:01.04 | jelly-home | ,versions multiarch-support |
| 23:01.05 | judd | Package: multiarch-support on i386 -- sid: 2.13-27; wheezy: 2.13-27 |
| 23:01.48 | sanitypassing | Holy shit, I entered apt-get remove multiarch-support ntfs-3g, and it's telling me it'll remove 1GB of data |
| 23:02.04 | jelly-home | it's telling you more than that. |
| 23:02.07 | streuner | sanitypassing: a clear Debian system depends always on a clear sources.list |
| 23:02.08 | sanitypassing | I did something wrong. |
| 23:02.25 | sanitypassing | this is going to remove gnome is I run it |
| 23:02.26 | streuner | otherwise you get headaches |
| 23:02.48 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: so don't do it. Instead, try just installing an older ntfs-3g |
| 23:02.55 | jelly-home | ,versions ntfs-3g |
| 23:02.56 | judd | Package: ntfs-3g on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1; squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; sid: 1:2012.1.15AR.1-1; wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.1-1 |
| 23:03.40 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: see which version is available using apt-cache policy ntfs-3g, and force installation of specific version like apt-get install ntfs-3g=1:2010.3.6-1 |
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| 23:04.24 | sanitypassing | it's telling me 1:2012.1.15AR.1-1 |
| 23:04.44 | streuner | sid then :-) |
| 23:05.03 | sanitypassing | :/ |
| 23:05.06 | sanitypassing | maybe I am getting old |
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| 23:05.28 | sanitypassing | aaanyway, downgrading will let me the run apt-get upgrade to get proper squeeze packages, right? |
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| 23:05.38 | streuner | sanitypassing: what does "dpkg - libc6|tail -1" say, btw? |
| 23:06.01 | sanitypassing | dpkg needs an action? |
| 23:06.10 | dpkg | sanitypassing: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:06.19 | streuner | sanitypassing: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:06.34 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: that's the idea, yes |
| 23:06.36 | TheAvatar | What could be causing a high CPU usage, when according to 'top' no running process uses >1% CPU (they are all at 0%, but sometimes one process jumps to 1% for a few seconds). Yet top claims the CPU usage is 60-100% constantly, and the load is just slowly increasing. Disk IOPS is '6' according to iostat |
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| 23:07.00 | sanitypassing | "ii libc6 2.11.3-3 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libaries" |
| 23:07.14 | streuner | dpkg, versions libc6 |
| 23:07.15 | TheAvatar | e.g., running 'ps aux' takes maybe 10 minutes |
| 23:07.16 | dpkg | no idea, streuner |
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| 23:07.23 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 23:07.24 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-27; wheezy: 2.13-27 |
| 23:07.43 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: top does not show process that live for a short period and die, atop is better in that regard |
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| 23:08.21 | TheAvatar | jelly-home, I see, but the amount of processes living for a very short time should be on a minimum though - but of course there's some |
| 23:08.32 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: how do you know that? |
| 23:09.52 | TheAvatar | jelly-home, because I have some idea about what runs on the server, so a few things run through cron, else it is persistent processes just about all of it |
| 23:10.24 | TheAvatar | I also recall 'top' shows "Last PID" but guess that's only on FreeBSD - that could help identify whether a lot of processes are being spawned and then dying |
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| 23:11.10 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: so you're guessing, basically. Next thing to check for is IO strain, oft. caused by swapping because of memory strain. What does "free" command say? Does swap usage change on repeated runs? |
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| 23:13.28 | TheAvatar | jelly-home, of course you are always somewhat guessing I guess. free is rather persistent. Same for SWAP (and memory (almost)) - and I guess SWAP would also show up as IOPS? But it does use almost 2GB swap, but it always does that |
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| 23:14.47 | jelly-home | static usage of swap is not problematic, paging in or out is. |
| 23:15.05 | jelly-home | "vmstat 1" can show it |
| 23:16.18 | TheAvatar | swap (si and so) is just 0 for the past 30 seconds. io (bi and bo) is usually 0, but has a few peaks every 6th second or so |
| 23:16.54 | jelly-home | bo every 5 seconds is just ext3 flushing dirty blocks, normal |
| 23:17.01 | TheAvatar | http://pastebin.com/yyrgZz07 |
| 23:17.21 | TheAvatar | so guess that looks pretty normal? |
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| 23:19.18 | jelly-home | except the first column, process waiting to read() sometihng from disk |
| 23:19.20 | streuner | sanitypassing: any questions? |
| 23:19.47 | TheAvatar | jelly-home, it is a virtual machine, but everything else on the same host is running just fine, so it seems to be isolated to this virtual machine |
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| 23:20.17 | TheAvatar | but I don't get how disk can be an issue with pretty low KB/s read/write and IOPS don't look that high to me either |
| 23:20.20 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: anything suspicious in /var/log/kern.log / dmesg? |
| 23:20.24 | sirtophat | Can I make sound made from cat'ing a file into /dev/dsp come out of the headphone jack instead of internal speakers of the laptop |
| 23:20.31 | sirtophat | from SSH |
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| 23:20.46 | TheAvatar | kern.log is empty - nothing in dmesg of importance (last message is rather old) |
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| 23:22.47 | skydrome | hi can apt/aptitude tell me what package brought in another package as a dep? |
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| 23:23.17 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: if you press 1 in top, it's going to show per-core usage, is there at least one core using lots of time for io "wa"it? |
| 23:24.46 | TheAvatar | no, not now - but actually - I tried restarting vmware-tools, and now it actually seems to have stopped (ye, that was just because vmware tools has been annoying before on other servers) |
| 23:25.17 | TheAvatar | io wait jumps to <50% once in a while, but not very much |
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| 23:25.30 | TheAvatar | but really - everything looks completely normal now |
| 23:25.39 | TheAvatar | load dropped from 13.x to 0.6x and still dropping a bit |
| 23:26.02 | jelly-home | could be just a timing issue or some other vmware weirdness |
| 23:26.25 | jelly-home | what's the host OS, ESX? |
| 23:26.42 | Dulak | TheAvatar: this is your own setup or a hosted one? |
| 23:26.51 | TheAvatar | hard to say - the other issues I had was only vmware tools leaking memory. ESX4.1 (U2 I believe) |
| 23:26.52 | jelly-home | things seem to work better when guest additions are installed |
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| 23:27.11 | TheAvatar | indeed it does. Dulak: well, own setup but hosted in a dc |
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| 23:27.37 | TheAvatar | but I think I will conclude that was it for now and keep these new tools in mind for another good time - might ease up checking for issues a lot later on |
| 23:27.44 | Dulak | vmware gave me fits for far too long. I went from being able to run a box at 15% capacity using vmware, to 70% capacity using KVM and SmartOS. |
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| 23:28.25 | born2troll | where can i see the hw devices that alsa has? |
| 23:28.29 | TheAvatar | I use cpu that adds up to just about 1 core (out of 8) and only 27GB RAM used of 48, and usually everything runs just fine |
| 23:28.32 | born2troll | sry but i dont find a good tutorial... |
| 23:28.42 | abrotman | did you ask #alsa ? |
| 23:28.50 | jelly-home | I have to say I just love our ESX4.0 and vSphere |
| 23:28.59 | TheAvatar | hard to say which is the best now a days - people also say Hyper-V R2 is like a zillion times better than the almost useless Hyper-V |
| 23:29.28 | TheAvatar | same - at work we run like 20-30 ESXi4/5 (free license) servers - works flawlessly |
| 23:29.41 | born2troll | got it never mind |
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| 23:29.51 | TheAvatar | but thanks a lot for your inputs |
| 23:29.53 | Dulak | jelly-home: What sort of capacity do you run at though? In my experience once you get over 15% vmware starts to chug. |
| 23:30.01 | Darxus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.03 | TheAvatar | always nice to go here (1:30am my time) and there's people ready to help out |
| 23:30.25 | Darxus | I'm getting that when I try to upgrade to a squeeze kernel from lenny, my partitions are not full. |
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| 23:30.40 | jelly-home | Dulak: 15% or what? memory use on nodes can be up to 70-80%, and our workload in general does not use much CPU time |
| 23:30.47 | jelly-home | 15% of* what |
| 23:31.51 | TheAvatar | my biggest issue with this server is when running image backup, it causes a few hogs on the disk due to running at full speed of the disks - during normal working hours, there's no issues at all (being at ~15% cpu and 60% RAM sustainable) |
| 23:32.21 | Dulak | jelly-home: 15% of cpu. Over that and i/o contention becomes an issue and your vpses start to have issues. I sell vps to clients and could only run a box at 15%, once a switched off to using kvm on smartos instead I could load a box to 70% and the users get the same experience. |
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| 23:33.00 | TheAvatar | http://pastebin.com/A2vs8rjC |
| 23:33.01 | jelly-home | Dulak: I have not seen that at all. We do have moderately decent SAN storage. |
| 23:33.11 | Dulak | I always thought solaris handled load so well because of the hardware, but it really is the OS. |
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| 23:33.43 | Dulak | You said you don't have high cpu though, so how can you say you haven't seen it? |
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| 23:33.58 | jelly-home | Dulak: peaks are maybe 30% |
| 23:34.14 | Dulak | Is it a blade? |
| 23:34.16 | TheAvatar | thanks a lot guys - think I can head off to bed now - take care |
| 23:34.34 | jelly-home | Dulak: these are indeed blades |
| 23:35.13 | Dulak | jelly-home: yeah those handle i/o better than just vmware running bare on my machine. |
| 23:35.47 | Dulak | jelly-home: I can see that, just couldn't see spending all that money for blades when what I have runs perfectly fine on smartos and kvm. |
| 23:36.25 | jelly-home | can't see why they would, they have "normal" qlogic HBAs and broadcom ethernet connectivity |
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| 23:36.44 | jelly-home | just like our 1U or 2U servers |
| 23:37.11 | Dulak | I don't believe it either but didn't want to argue the point. All I know is I don't miss vmware at all. |
| 23:37.34 | jelly-home | yeah, whatever works |
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| 23:51.51 | Darxus | I was wrong, it was actually filling up one of the partitions. |
| 23:51.56 | Darxus | There was free space, but not enough. |
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| 23:54.34 | Darxus | Years ago my boss insisted this root partition be 250 megabytes. Ugh. |
| 23:54.53 | sanitypassing | what. |
| 23:55.08 | gnarface | well when the kernel smaller that probably made sense... |
| 23:55.22 | jelly-home | it was the default in the installer! |
| 23:55.35 | sanitypassing | is the debian.org package mirror throttled at all? |
| 23:55.38 | gnarface | however if /var and /usr and /home are on their own partitions, that should still be plenty unless you're putting stuff there that doesn't belong |
| 23:55.40 | geggam | an OS should fit in 250 MB |
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| 23:55.46 | gnarface | well, and /tmp |
| 23:56.56 | jelly-home | and who in their sane mind uses a separate /usr this side of the century |
| 23:57.11 | sanitypassing | insane people? |
| 23:57.22 | gnarface | people with more than one harddrive |
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| 23:57.40 | gnarface | people who don't think a laptop is the epitome of computing hardware? |
| 23:57.44 | jelly-home | sanitypassing: mirrors are IME not throttled at all, but policies might vary |
| 23:57.54 | sanitypassing | jelly-home: Ok, cool. Thanks. |
| 23:58.39 | jelly-home | gnarface: people with full-height 600MB SCSI-1 disks? |
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| 23:59.29 | gnarface | jelly-home: maybe! so?! |
| 23:59.39 | jelly-home | gnarface: in 2000?! |
