| 00:01.03 | gnarface | jelly-home: the point is eventually one disk isn't always enough, and sometimes you DO have rogue users |
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| 00:01.30 | gnarface | jelly-home: and no, i don't have any of those anymore :-p |
| 00:01.31 | jelly-home | we are inclusive towards users in all colours |
| 00:01.35 | jelly-home | hides |
| 00:02.18 | dvs | paints himself blue |
| 00:02.44 | Darxus | Dude. dist-upgrade finished without an error this time. |
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| 00:06.20 | Iridos | dvs, smurf, smurf! |
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| 00:06.28 | dvs | Navi'i! |
| 00:06.30 | Iridos | jelly-home, that's one for you! |
| 00:08.48 | sanitypassing | is it safe to add the backports mirror, or will that break shit? |
| 00:09.07 | dvs | sanitypassing: backports is fine |
| 00:09.12 | sanitypassing | Ok, cool |
| 00:09.27 | antiisolo | is there a preffered alternative to flash player for web browsers? |
| 00:09.40 | antiisolo | or a recommandation |
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| 00:10.12 | Iridos | dvs, what will you smurfs think of next! |
| 00:10.35 | dvs | Iridos: A Gargamel toxin! |
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| 00:10.51 | Iridos | I see |
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| 00:14.01 | Iridos | shouldn't that be "chatscreamer"? |
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| 00:23.32 | ChibaPet | I despise policykit. Totem can't play a DVD. Sigh. |
| 00:23.41 | ChibaPet | "not authorized" |
| 00:24.07 | LtL | antiisolo: gnash |
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| 00:24.33 | abrotman | ChibaPet: talk to your admin ? |
| 00:25.28 | ChibaPet | abrotman: Please, I don't wish to have to preface everything I say in here with "abrotman, feel free to disregard this next question." You've already demonstrated that you've got some sort of personality problem. Just go away please. |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | wow .. someone has anger management issues |
| 00:25.57 | abrotman | you didn't ask a question .. nice try though |
| 00:26.05 | ChibaPet | No, I've simply heard too much from you. You're really the only personality in here that annoys me. |
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| 00:26.29 | abrotman | oddly, i've recieved a few comments from others that you're annoying .. |
| 00:26.52 | ChibaPet | I know. I'll /ignore you and be happier for it. Should have done that a while back. |
| 00:26.57 | gotmynick | peace brothers |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | doesn't bother me .. less help for him |
| 00:27.41 | Darxus | Meh, grub2 didn't work out, installed grub-legacy, ran update-grub, worked. |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | some people are so angry .. |
| 00:28.19 | gotmynick | Darxus, scenario ? grub2 always worked for me, eve on EFI machines |
| 00:28.36 | ChibaPet | So, anyway, I noted issues with this in the past with network manager, and to resolve that I turned off the nox11 directive in /etc/pam.d/common-session and ran my windowing stuff through /usr/bin/ck-launch-session, but that seems not to be the issue here. |
| 00:29.01 | sanitypassing | what's the command to start/stop/restart daemons? |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | sanitypassing: invoke-rc.d |
| 00:29.15 | ChibaPet | "sudo service daemonname restart" |
| 00:29.19 | sanitypassing | Ok, cool. Thanks. |
| 00:29.19 | ChibaPet | is one such, sanitypassing |
| 00:29.30 | ChibaPet | get the name in question from your /etc/init.d |
| 00:29.31 | gotmynick | I was going to say start-stop-daemon |
| 00:29.35 | abrotman | sanitypassing: invoke-rc.d .. don't depend on the ability to use sudo |
| 00:29.45 | ChibaPet | service cleans your environment - safer |
| 00:29.55 | Darxus | gotmynick: Upgraded from lenny to squeeze, followed http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html, rebooted, machine didn't come up, when I went down to check it out, it said it failed to load the kernel (I think it said something about loading a ramdisk, error, load kernel first). Rebooted, booted via old grub instead of chain-booting, worked, installed grub-legacy.... |
| 00:29.55 | Iridos | anyone for /etc/init.d/<daemon> start? |
| 00:30.10 | LtL | sanitypassing: /etc/init.d/<service> start | stop | restart |
| 00:30.11 | dvs | Iridos: not me! |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | Iridos: generally not the "approved" way anymore .. |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | Iridos: doesn't stop me from using it :) |
| 00:30.23 | ChibaPet | Iridos: That works, but it leaves your environment somewhat uncontrolled. |
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| 00:30.38 | ChibaPet | man 8 service |
| 00:30.48 | Iridos | that's been good enough for me the last 15 years, it'll be good enough for others! |
| 00:30.52 | Iridos | or else! |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman | Shouldn't the init script control its environment? |
| 00:31.15 | ChibaPet | Debian ships service(8), but certainly, Debian doesn't force you to use it. |
| 00:31.32 | gotmynick | Darxus, grub2 is more capable than grub-legacy (i.e. /boot on lvm) your issue seems to be a corner case |
| 00:31.45 | Darxus | Awesome :/ |
| 00:32.04 | gotmynick | or a upgrade script issue |
| 00:32.14 | Darxus | I'm using grub2 on my workstations. Just got around to upgrading this old server. |
| 00:32.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: they almost never do. Hell, many daemons still hold the tty open |
| 00:32.23 | ChibaPet | Boot on lvm should be okay. |
| 00:32.33 | gotmynick | with grub2 |
| 00:32.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: it will all get better with systemd! |
| 00:32.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: i haven't seen any in awhile .. |
| 00:32.54 | Darxus | I should just wipe and reinstall this system with decent partitions. |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | Darxus: it's possible it's not the upgrade that's the problem, but the hardware |
| 00:33.26 | Darxus | abrotman: How? |
| 00:33.30 | ChibaPet | So, anyone have ideas about Totem and what it wants to be authorized? |
| 00:33.30 | abrotman | how what? |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | does |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | Darxus: how could it be the hardware? |
| 00:33.57 | Darxus | abrotman: Yes. |
| 00:34.27 | jdolan_ | is the version of ldd in wheezy "recursive"? |
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| 00:34.40 | jdolan_ | i have a program i linked against libsdl, and ldd is telling me that i'm now linked against ALL of libsdl's dependencies. |
| 00:34.44 | jdolan_ | which makes no sense. |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | Darxus: hardware can make known the prescence of corner software bugs .. i had servers that couldn't use mdraid because the installer couldn't resync the drives after creating the partition tables |
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| 00:35.00 | abrotman | Darxus: it was a 2008ish SCSI system |
| 00:35.06 | Darxus | Ah, okay. |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | Darxus: just saying, it's possible |
| 00:35.20 | Darxus | Sure. |
| 00:35.29 | abrotman | Darxus: what about your situation is so odd ? |
| 00:35.37 | Darxus | No idea. |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | Darxus: old hardware? |
| 00:35.52 | abrotman | Darxus: crazy drive configuration? |
| 00:35.57 | Darxus | *Shrug*, 4 years? |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | that's not old :) |
| 00:36.31 | cantido | jdolan_: SDL projects are linked against libflac etc here.. even though I don't use them.. seems normal enough though |
| 00:36.38 | Darxus | I think it's using hardware raid0, I don't even remember at this point. |
| 00:36.38 | cantido | jdolan_: this is on testing |
| 00:36.52 | abrotman | Darxus: i'd be skeptical .. most motherboards don't have true hardware raid |
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| 00:37.38 | Darxus | Ah, no, no raid at all on this machine. |
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| 00:37.47 | Darxus | I must have raided it sibling. |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | what was the error using grub2? |
| 00:38.28 | Darxus | When it booted, it said something about failing to load the main kernel and fallback kernel, and something about needing to load the kernel before the ram disk. |
| 00:38.31 | EdePopede | hi all, one quick question: what is the truth about debian6/amd64 and skype? any hacks needed or does it work out of the box? http://wiki.debian.org/skype makes me not want to even try it. updated on 29th, but no word of 2.2beta, no link to a repo, only direct download, and it says that even in 64git packages there is a 32bit version. |
| 00:39.01 | cantido | EdePopede: it works fine for me.. the 64bit packages are indeed only 32bit binaries |
| 00:39.12 | nevyn | wfm |
| 00:39.13 | cantido | EdePopede: IIRC they just depend on the right ia32 libs packages |
| 00:39.19 | abrotman | Darxus: that sounds like an initramfs issue .. but i'd guess grub1 would have the same issue |
| 00:39.20 | nevyn | right. |
| 00:39.26 | jdolan_ | cantido, makes it rather nightmarish to produce a distributable binary tho. |
| 00:39.42 | jdolan_ | cantido, the point of linking against SDL dynamically is that i can avoid all of its dependencies. |
| 00:39.48 | jdolan_ | that's the _entire_ point of it. |
| 00:39.49 | jdolan_ | :) |
| 00:39.54 | cantido | jdolan_: why? libsdl is linked against flac etc.. |
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| 00:40.13 | jdolan_ | yes but i can ship a binary, and as long as the user has *an* SDL installed, i'm all good (mostly) |
| 00:40.14 | cantido | jdolan_: if you build sdl without flac etc I don't think you'll see those libs anymore |
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| 00:40.32 | Darxus | abrotman: I agree :) |
| 00:40.35 | EdePopede | cantido: thx. only a couple or do i have to fill my disk with hundreds of 32bit libs? |
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| 00:40.48 | jdolan_ | cantido, this isn't an issue for me or my box. i'm trying to produce a distributable binary. |
| 00:41.00 | cantido | EdePopede: um, well most of it is in ia32-libs, which you probably have installed anyhow |
| 00:41.19 | cantido | jdolan_: have you tried it against another libsdl? |
| 00:41.21 | Darxus | Gotta go home, thanks for the help. |
| 00:41.33 | cantido | can't wait for sdl1.2 to die.. |
| 00:41.45 | kevlarman | cantido: good luck with that |
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| 00:42.06 | EdePopede | /usr/li32? if so, ~90MB so far |
| 00:42.07 | cantido | kevlarman: sdl1.3 and 2.0 are in progress for debian, in experiemental :) |
| 00:42.28 | kevlarman | cantido: 1.3 and 2.0 are not compatible with programs written against 1.2 |
| 00:42.48 | cantido | kevlarman: it's not hard to rework your apps.. |
| 00:42.54 | jdolan_ | cantido, not yet |
| 00:43.08 | cantido | kevlarman: you can have a source tree that builds against 1.2 and 2.0.. I have one |
| 00:43.32 | kevlarman | cantido: and you can have games without a publicly available source tree |
| 00:43.48 | jdolan_ | yea ^ that. |
| 00:43.55 | jdolan_ | sdl1.2 won't be dying in the next 3 years. |
| 00:44.04 | cantido | jdolan_: I think ldd is just resolving the libraries that libsdl is linked against, it doesn't mean that your binary is linked against them.. what flags are you passing to gcc/ld? |
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| 00:44.26 | cantido | kevlarman: ugh, and there is/was a compat package |
| 00:44.31 | jdolan_ | cantido, it's rather long and oogly (thanks autotools :D) -- one second. |
| 00:45.02 | cantido | jdolan_: the cflags I get from pkg-config for sdl only links SDL from what I can remember, not all the other stuff |
| 00:45.18 | jdolan_ | cantido, same here. |
| 00:45.26 | jdolan_ | so maybe ldd is just being paranoid / eager/ |
| 00:45.39 | jdolan_ | libtool: link: gcc -I.. -std=c99 -pipe -g -O2 -pedantic -W -Wall -I/include -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -std=c99 -pipe -g -O2 -o quake2world quake2world-main.o ../client/.libs/libclient.a ../server/.libs/libserver.a -ldl -lX11 -lXext -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so -lncurses -ljpeg -lGL -lSDL -lSDL_image -lSDL_mixer -lm -lz -lstdc++ |
| 00:45.43 | cantido | jdolan_: it resolves everything from what I remember |
| 00:45.59 | jdolan_ | ok, i don't think it used to (?) |
| 00:46.09 | jdolan_ | but, so then how the hell do i know what i need to bundle? lol. |
| 00:46.20 | cantido | jdolan_: SDL_mixer will be pulling in libflac, vorbis etc |
| 00:46.20 | jdolan_ | (for a distributable package) |
| 00:46.25 | kevlarman | jdolan_: google says ldd -v |
| 00:47.37 | cantido | jdolan_: if you want to make it 100% redistributable you should make it static anyhow |
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| 00:48.40 | jdolan_ | cantido, my plan was to use -rpath and \$ORIGIN in conjunction. |
| 00:48.53 | jdolan_ | and ship a handful of shared objects alongside my executables. |
| 00:49.01 | jdolan_ | $pkg/bin and $pkg/lib kinda thing. |
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| 00:49.16 | cantido | jdolan_: do you have multiple binaries? |
| 00:49.22 | jdolan_ | yes |
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| 00:49.34 | jdolan_ | 3. |
| 00:49.55 | kevlarman | more like 5 if the .so's pull in dependencies like this |
| 00:50.06 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, they don't. |
| 00:50.17 | cantido | jdolan_: well, instead trying to pull apart which libs you need from debian.. why not build SDL in your tree? |
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| 00:50.38 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, oops, cgame pulls in a few (GL and SDL) |
| 00:51.37 | kevlarman | cantido: does that even change anything? other than making the build process more painful |
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| 00:51.50 | jdolan_ | i was wondering the same thing. |
| 00:51.55 | cantido | kevlarman: it means all of the libs you are linking against are in the same place |
| 00:52.10 | kevlarman | cantido: ever try building an sdl that supports ossv4 device enumeration without breaking your audio? |
| 00:52.10 | cantido | kevlarman: so you know exactly what you have to ship |
| 00:52.28 | cantido | kevlarman: only insane people use OSS |
| 00:52.30 | jdolan_ | cantido, but then i'd statically link against my "own" sdl, and still have all of its deps as my own. |
| 00:52.48 | kevlarman | cantido: well alsa and pulse just don't work |
| 00:52.56 | kevlarman | so i have one choice left |
| 00:52.57 | cantido | jdolan_: you don't want to statically link because you have multiple binaries right? |
| 00:53.06 | jdolan_ | cantido, right. |
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| 00:53.10 | cantido | floating point use in the kernel yay |
| 00:53.11 | mparodi | Hello |
| 00:53.23 | kevlarman | cantido: it's optional if you really hate it |
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| 00:53.37 | kevlarman | cantido: plus it somehow manages to use much less cpu than pulse doing the same thing |
| 00:53.43 | cantido | jdolan_: so you can build your own sdl and link against that .. I do exactly that for Android |
| 00:54.02 | cantido | kevlarman: ALSA |
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| 00:54.09 | kevlarman | cantido: doesn't work |
| 00:54.14 | jdolan_ | but what does that solve cantido? i still need SDL_image and SDL_mixer. |
| 00:54.21 | jdolan_ | i guess maybe i'm just screwed. |
| 00:54.31 | kevlarman | cantido: it mangles audio when resampling, has massive cpu usage, and massive latency |
| 00:54.33 | jdolan_ | this wasn't very difficult on Mac at all, btw. |
| 00:54.48 | mparodi | I'm trying to setup a tunnel through ssh to a remote machine that I want to use as a proxy. I think I'm doing something wrong because I don't have internet when I enable the proxy on Iceweasel. |
| 00:54.53 | mparodi | how would you do that? |
| 00:54.55 | cantido | jdolan_: well, you seem to want to use debians libaries right? You'll need all of the stuff libsdl is linked against.. all the stuff ldd is telling you about |
| 00:55.19 | sanitypassing | God damn, 100 MB worth of packages on the build-dep for vlc. O_o |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | mparodi: there are a few dozen howtos on the internet .. which have you used? |
| 00:55.28 | kevlarman | cantido: no he does not want to use debian's libsdl |
| 00:55.34 | cantido | kevlarman: there have been massive arguments with the OSS guy where he proved why OSSv4 isn't in the kernel.. enough said |
| 00:55.36 | mparodi | https://calomel.org/firefox_ssh_proxy.html <- abrotman |
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| 00:56.00 | cantido | kevlarman: so which libs does he want to copy into his dist? |
| 00:56.00 | mparodi | basically: ssh -C2qTnN -D 8080 username@remote_machine.com |
| 00:56.12 | mparodi | is that correct? |
| 00:56.13 | kevlarman | cantido: the ones that are harder to find packages for |
| 00:56.34 | kevlarman | e.g. SDL_thread is not commonly packaged |
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| 00:57.14 | abrotman | mparodi: should the -D 8080 be first, the rest before username? |
| 00:57.19 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, cantido, this is hilarious: http://pastebin.com/9FGA4adC |
| 00:57.33 | jdolan_ | _wtf_ |
| 00:57.45 | mparodi | abrotman, uh? |
| 00:57.58 | kevlarman | jdolan_: i think you found a bug |
| 00:58.04 | cantido | kevlarman: so, instead of writing the tiny makefile to build the things you need you grep ldds output and copy bits and bobs from it :/ |
| 00:58.06 | abrotman | mparodi: i see,your howto has it that way |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | mparodi: have you tried using something like wget or something ? |
| 00:58.49 | cantido | kevlarman: why does it have sdl and ncurses? heh |
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| 00:59.03 | cantido | jdolan_: ^^ that was for you |
| 00:59.04 | jdolan_ | cantido, game console. |
| 00:59.09 | cantido | jdolan_: ah |
| 00:59.14 | jdolan_ | cantido, specifically dedicated server console. |
| 00:59.28 | jdolan_ | cantido, http://quake2world.net/pages/media |
| 00:59.34 | kevlarman | jdolan_: well, you found your list |
| 00:59.46 | kevlarman | jdolan_: wanna pastebin `which ldd`? |
| 00:59.47 | mparodi | abrotman, good idea, let me check |
| 00:59.50 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, you think i can safely bundle just those? i kinda doubt it. |
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| 01:00.03 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, /usr/bin/ldd |
| 01:00.12 | kevlarman | jdolan_: i mean the contents |
| 01:00.13 | sanitypassing | hey, how can I tell if I've got GPU drivers installed? |
| 01:00.20 | kevlarman | jdolan_: it should be a shell script iirc |
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| 01:00.48 | kevlarman | jdolan_: the system ones you obviously can't |
| 01:01.08 | kevlarman | jdolan_: i say bundle SDL_image/mixer and call it a day |
| 01:01.19 | kevlarman | the rest are easily available |
| 01:01.21 | cantido | jdolan_: if you're going to package debian's libSDL-1.2.so.0 you will need all of the stuff it's linked with |
| 01:01.35 | kevlarman | cantido: no one said anything about debian's libsdl |
| 01:01.44 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, http://pastebin.com/CP1RVK7D |
| 01:02.01 | sanitypassing | If I install the nouveau drivers, and later install the NVIDIA drivers, will it automatically detect and use the NVIDIA ones? |
| 01:02.24 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, i would need to bundle SDL_image and SDL_mixer's deps, tho. |
| 01:02.29 | jdolan_ | i believe. |
| 01:02.35 | kevlarman | jdolan_: which are? |
| 01:02.40 | cantido | sanitypassing: you have to tell it to use the nvidia driver in the Xorg config still |
| 01:02.44 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 01:02.45 | jdolan_ | vorbis, flaac and friends. |
| 01:03.15 | kevlarman | those should all be pretty common |
| 01:03.23 | kevlarman | you could build statically linked versions too |
| 01:03.52 | cantido | kevlarman: should I quote your rant about making the build process more complicated? |
| 01:04.03 | sanitypassing | is there any benefit, performance-wise, to installing the nvidia drivers over nouveau? |
| 01:04.09 | sanitypassing | (outside of 3d applications) |
| 01:04.13 | kevlarman | cantido: who said anything about making it part of the build process |
| 01:04.17 | kevlarman | sanitypassing: vdpau |
| 01:04.29 | sanitypassing | kevlarman: sorry? |
| 01:04.37 | kevlarman | sanitypassing: hardware video decoding |
| 01:04.39 | cantido | sanitypassing: the nouveau drivers seem to support va-api to some degree now.. other than that I'm not sure about how much of a gap there is |
| 01:04.43 | sanitypassing | Oh, right. |
| 01:04.43 | kevlarman | nouveau doesn't support it yet |
| 01:04.47 | sanitypassing | Ok |
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| 01:05.04 | sanitypassing | so if I want hardware decoding, go for nvidia? |
| 01:05.06 | cantido | kevlarman: they do, just not everything the nvidia drivers do |
| 01:05.21 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, so you're suggesting i build my own static libSDL* and bundle those with the app? |
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| 01:05.47 | voyagepbx | hey guys |
| 01:05.52 | Dulak | nouveau just needs a little more time to mature, it's getting pretty good, but still a ways from acceptable substitute, imo. |
| 01:05.58 | voyagepbx | I have a custom script I want run at login |
| 01:06.21 | voyagepbx | but if I put it in the bashrc file sftp breaks |
| 01:06.26 | sanitypassing | so then I should just stick with nvidia drivers |
| 01:06.34 | voyagepbx | do I put it in the .profile file |
| 01:06.39 | Iridos | voyagepbx, test if the shell is interactive |
| 01:06.42 | cantido | jdolan_: I do exactly that for the Android version of an SDL app.. |
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| 01:07.13 | voyagepbx | ? |
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| 01:07.37 | cantido | sanitypassing: the nvidia drivers a more likely to work. Some people don't like having closed source stuff in their systems though |
| 01:07.41 | voyagepbx | default is a bash shell but I need this script to show uo for all who login |
| 01:07.49 | factor | Does debian have a repo for google earth |
| 01:07.52 | Dulak | voyagepbx: at the top of bashrc there is a test for PS1, did you put your change above or below that test? |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | factor: there's a package to install it for you IIRC |
| 01:08.15 | cantido | factor: debian used to have an installer package. Not sure if it still exists |
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| 01:08.23 | voyagepbx | if below it works fine for ssh in but sftp breaks |
| 01:08.30 | factor | found something in apt but did not work |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | !tell factor about googleearth |
| 01:08.34 | voyagepbx | it wont allow sftp |
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| 01:10.03 | sanitypassing | Hargh, the nvidia drivers in squeeze are really oudated. o_O |
| 01:10.21 | kevlarman | sanitypassing: the ones in backports are kinda decent |
| 01:10.28 | kevlarman | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 01:10.29 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 295.33-1; sid/non-free: 295.33-2 |
| 01:10.31 | sanitypassing | Alright, I'll use those. |
| 01:10.39 | kevlarman | 280 |
| 01:10.43 | sanitypassing | yeah |
| 01:10.51 | sanitypassing | sid is 295 |
| 01:10.53 | sanitypassing | not too far off |
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| 01:11.13 | Iridos | voyagepbx, man bash, search for $- |
| 01:11.29 | kevlarman | there's actaully a really nice feature in 285 that is slipping my mind atm |
| 01:11.37 | kevlarman | but that only matters for 3d |
| 01:11.57 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.57 | cantido | jdolan_: readelf -d will give you the stuff you have directly linked against btw |
| 01:12.13 | kevlarman | cantido: so will ldd -u for some reason |
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| 01:14.24 | jdolan_ | lawl. |
| 01:14.57 | jdolan_ | quite true! |
| 01:15.01 | jdolan_ | thanks cantido |
| 01:15.05 | cantido | kevlarman: I don't like the fact that it says "unused" etc.. the man page for readelf sounds better |
| 01:15.14 | voyagepbx | so I should use a $- and then the script |
| 01:15.18 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, and i have decided that the list is actually not very exotic and shipping the binary as-is should work for most people. |
| 01:15.25 | Dulak | voyagepbx: there is .bash_login but I don't know if sftp will run that or not, I would have thought sftp would be a non-interactive shell but if it works under your PS1 test it's doing an interactive shell. |
| 01:15.31 | kevlarman | jdolan_: makes sense |
| 01:15.36 | jdolan_ | cantido, he was pointing out the irony in -u :) |
| 01:15.49 | Iridos | voyagepbx, no, you should check with $- if it's interactive, only execute if it is |
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| 01:16.16 | jdolan_ | kevlarman, i meant to say "kevlarman and i have decided.." |
| 01:16.24 | jdolan_ | tab-complete-comma-fail. |
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| 01:17.34 | cantido | jdolan_: well, you could always test it.. always helps |
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| 01:18.51 | cantido | if it is non-OpenGL 2D stuff I wouldn't bother with sdl1.2 to begin with ;p |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | you guys are still on about SDL ? |
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| 01:22.54 | sanitypassing | I want to add the VLC repository to /etc/apt/sources.list, but it's only available for sid. if I do this, running squeeze, is this going to cause errors? |
| 01:23.08 | cantido | sanitypassing: don't do that |
| 01:23.14 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 01:23.27 | cantido | sanitypassing: if you need a newer version of VLC look for a backport |
| 01:23.36 | sanitypassing | backport was out-dated |
| 01:23.52 | cantido | why do you need the latest vlc? |
| 01:23.59 | sanitypassing | no reaso specifically |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | no reason to potentially mess up my box and stuff ... |
| 01:24.14 | sanitypassing | backports was 1.x, and the latest is 2.x though. |
| 01:24.15 | jdolan_ | cantido, you didn't look at the link huh? :) |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 01:24.24 | cantido | jdolan_: which link? |
| 01:24.25 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 2.0.0-6; sid: 2.0.1-4; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.2 |
| 01:24.32 | jdolan_ | cantido, http://quake2world.net/pages/media |
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| 01:24.40 | abrotman | sanitypassing: there are no backports ? |
| 01:25.07 | cantido | jdolan_: so it's all opengl .. cool |
| 01:25.31 | jdolan_ | yep |
| 01:25.39 | sanitypassing | abrotman: I guess not? |
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| 01:26.15 | cantido | only gets to do 2D stuff in opengl :( |
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| 01:26.35 | abrotman | sanitypassing: if you don't *need* a newer VLC, dont' risk messin gup your box |
| 01:26.46 | voyagepbx | ok using the .bash_login works better but now I found aa new bug |
| 01:26.47 | sanitypassing | I just need something in 2.x |
| 01:26.54 | cantido | sanitypassing: what for? |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | sanitypassing: NEED for what? |
| 01:27.03 | cantido | has only noticed that the UI changed |
| 01:27.04 | sanitypassing | and I don't mind messing up my box. I've already done it once today, and everything is backed up anyway |
| 01:27.15 | sanitypassing | Peformance optimizations, mostly |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | and i'm out |
| 01:27.25 | sanitypassing | 2.x runs a lot faster, and my computer can use that. |
| 01:27.39 | cantido | sanitypassing: you mean va-api support? |
| 01:28.51 | cantido | abrotman: it could be worse, they could by trying to recompile everything with -march=native ;) |
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| 01:45.43 | sanitypassing | do I need to add a new line in sources.list for contrib, or can I append it to a pre-exisitng deb ... entry? |
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| 01:46.14 | cantido | sanitypassing: add contrib after where main is |
| 01:46.19 | sanitypassing | Ok, thanks. |
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| 01:46.59 | sanitypassing | should I add it to all entries, or just "squeeze main" (the first two entries that aren't the installer disc) |
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| 01:47.36 | cantido | you should add it to the entries that you want contrib packages from |
| 01:47.49 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 01:47.52 | sanitypassing | Thanks |
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| 01:50.05 | linux2 | I just did a fresh install of debian testing on an older laptop I have. And it has an ATI RV635 graphics card. When the system boots up and starts KDM the whole screen just turns into a bunch of colored noise and I can't see anything. Even switching to the different terminals doesn't work. |
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| 01:50.18 | linux2 | Is anyone familiar with this and ATI cards and what I might do to fix the problem? |
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| 01:54.22 | mparodi | ah, it works now. it was ssh -L, no ssh -R :) |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | you're still playing with that? |
| 01:55.08 | mparodi | I meant, -D |
| 01:55.28 | mparodi | (actually maybe there's a way to do the same with -D) |
| 01:56.04 | mparodi | abramart, yes, I'm using it now. why? |
| 01:56.48 | cantido | thinks abramart sounds like a magic shop |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | i thought you'd figured it out by now |
| 01:56.57 | mparodi | ssh -L port:host:hostport user@server |
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| 01:58.22 | mparodi | argh, too many people with "ab" at the start of their nicks u.u |
| 01:58.34 | mparodi | you can't use ab+TAB |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | mparodi: abr<tab> |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | or fix your IRC client |
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| 01:59.45 | sanitypassing | will restarting gdm also restart X server? |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:00.12 | sanitypassing | ok, thank you. |
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| 02:01.59 | morgawr | hello everyone.. I'm back with yet another sound problem.. now sound just stopped working altogether |
| 02:02.05 | morgawr | I think I missed up pulseaudio/alsa |
| 02:02.20 | morgawr | pulseaudio is just saying "dummy output", can somebody please help me figuring out th problem? |
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| 02:05.06 | morgawr | nobody? :( |
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| 02:16.14 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i know the current coordinates of my mouse? |
| 02:16.21 | superlinux-hp | is there a tool? |
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| 02:30.15 | morgawr | so I guess nobody can help me with the fact taht suddenly no sound is coming out and I don't know why alsa/pulseaudio stopped recognizing my audio card out of the blue, right? |
| 02:30.18 | morgawr | :( |
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| 02:31.19 | scientes | xev+evtest |
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| 02:31.48 | abrotman | morgawr: i hate to ask, tried a reboot ? |
| 02:32.00 | morgawr | abrotman: yeah.. I tried several times |
| 02:32.01 | karlpinc | morgawr: You could always try looking at the logs. (But I know nothing about sound.) |
| 02:32.06 | morgawr | now it says that no audio card can be found |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | morgawr: tried to reconfigure the packages ? |
| 02:32.20 | morgawr | I think it's a problem with firmware/drivers |
| 02:32.26 | abrotman | sends karlpinc a ^G |
| 02:32.32 | morgawr | yeah, tried reconfiguring linux-sound-base and alsa-base |
| 02:32.38 | abrotman | and pulse? |
| 02:32.51 | morgawr | since alsa is not even working, I guess pulse isn't working either |
| 02:33.27 | bk | Hey guys, looking at virtualization products for a VPS, what is preferred on debian? Xen vs KVM is what im looking at now. |
| 02:33.27 | morgawr | but yeah, no luck |
| 02:33.42 | morgawr | if I run "alsaplayer" it says |
| 02:33.43 | morgawr | /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so failed to load |
| 02:33.43 | morgawr | NOTE: THIS IS THE NULL PLUGIN. YOU WILL NOT HEAR SOUND!! |
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| 02:33.58 | abrotman | morgawr: reinstall the package that owns that file ? |
| 02:34.17 | naptastic | Is there an installer for Debian Unstable or something like it? |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | judd: file usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so |
| 02:34.22 | naptastic | (Ubuntu doesn't count!) |
| 02:34.25 | judd | Search for usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so in squeeze/i386: alsaplayer-alsa: usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | naptastic: a) no, use stable, upgrade to whatever b) ubuntu doesn't install Debian |
| 02:35.13 | naptastic | abrotman, stable does not include support for my network interface, so upgrading is not an option :-( |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | !tell naptastic about kmuto |
| 02:35.33 | morgawr | abrotman: I tried install libalsaplayer, alsaplayer-alsa and all the likes but still no luck |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | !tell naptastic about netinst |
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| 02:35.58 | bk | !tell |
| 02:36.10 | abrotman | !tell naptastic about d-i |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | naptastic: enough info for you ? |
| 02:36.23 | karlpinc | naptastic: And, you can get newer kernels from backports.debian.org, with newer drivers. |
| 02:36.59 | naptastic | abrotman, yes, thank you |
| 02:37.12 | morgawr | how can I be sure that my system detects my audio card successfully? |
| 02:37.20 | morgawr | because I'm almost sure that's the problem |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | morgawr: cat /proc/asound/cards IIRC |
| 02:37.37 | morgawr | I don't have /proc/asound |
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| 02:38.03 | abrotman | probably because that .so is missing |
| 02:38.12 | naptastic | though I don't think y'all quite undeerstood; the Squeeze (6.0.4) installer kernel doesn't have drivers for my NIC, so most of those solutions won't work. |
| 02:38.22 | naptastic | HOWEVER! the kmuto solution looks lovely |
| 02:38.31 | naptastic | I'm downloading it now, thanks abrotman ! |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | naptastic: you didn't read them all :) |
| 02:38.56 | abrotman | morgawr: see if that file really doesn't exist |
| 02:38.57 | morgawr | abrotman: and the solution would be...? |
| 02:39.00 | morgawr | m |
| 02:39.20 | naptastic | abrotman, "If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection" <- no |
| 02:39.21 | morgawr | the file exists |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | naptastic: keep reading, look at teh URls |
| 02:39.33 | morgawr | /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so |
| 02:39.42 | engla | naptastic: you could install the backports kernel just throught usb stick or similar |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | engla: that's roughly what kmuto does anyway .. but if he's not going to go to testing/unstable, he should switch to the bpo kernel |
| 02:40.13 | morgawr | http://pastebin.com/1NzUvRCW this is what I get when I try to run alsaplayer |
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| 02:40.59 | abrotman | morgawr: and if you 'dpkg-reconfigure alsa' ? |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | morgawr: did you try running 'file' on that file ? |
| 02:41.15 | naptastic | yeah, I intend to do with testing or unstable later, but I need internet access before I can do that... and no 2.6.35 kernel will do that for me |
| 02:41.44 | morgawr | /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0x2e1006bfd98bd7d2f3c8ce12ef9ecd28db910af3, stripped |
| 02:41.50 | morgawr | that's the output of "file" |
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| 02:41.56 | abrotman | morgawr: and 'dpkg --print-architecture' ? |
| 02:42.04 | morgawr | when I try "dpkg-reconfigure alsa" it says "no package for alsa" |
| 02:42.16 | morgawr | abrotman: I'm on a 64bit, so amd64 |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | eh .. alsa-base maybe .. whatever it is now |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | morgawr: you could be i386 on 64bit .. i am |
| 02:42.49 | morgawr | abrotman: nah, I'm amd64... anyhow, I did reconfigure alsa-base multiple times |
| 02:42.56 | morgawr | I'm fairly sure the problem is that it doesn't see the sound card itself |
| 02:42.58 | morgawr | and not alsa |
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| 02:43.27 | abrotman | morgawr: lspci -nn .. find the card for oyur audio card |
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| 02:44.43 | morgawr | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1c20] (rev 04) |
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| 02:45.30 | abrotman | morgawr: time to look through logs |
| 02:46.14 | morgawr | mm |
| 02:46.39 | morgawr | should I look for something in lsmod? |
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| 02:47.00 | cantido | it should be intel-hda |
| 02:47.03 | morgawr | http://pastebin.com/MFedT0We these are the modules I have |
| 02:47.05 | cantido | or hda-intel .. |
| 02:47.12 | morgawr | no intel |
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| 02:47.15 | karlpinc | morgawr: Probably not. But the driver is snd-hda-intel according to the judd bot. |
| 02:47.49 | morgawr | if I'm missing that, how do I find it so I can install it? |
| 02:47.52 | cantido | which kernel is this? |
| 02:48.07 | morgawr | 3.2.0-2-amd64 (debian testing) |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | log time! |
| 02:48.46 | morgawr | abrotman: what should I be looking for? |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | errors relating to sound ? |
| 02:49.18 | karlpinc | morgawr: I think the judd bot only reports on squeeze kernels, so the driver may not be right after all. |
| 02:49.23 | cantido | well, it could be that snd-hda-intel doesn't know about that pci id.. |
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| 02:49.42 | abrotman | it's snd_hda_intel on my box |
| 02:49.46 | cantido | karlpinc: that's the right driver I think, I have almost the same chip |
| 02:49.48 | morgawr | abrotman: that sounds pretty broad and not really to the point... the thing is, the sound card isn't even detected.. it's not that sound isn't working |
| 02:50.05 | morgawr | how do I install that driver then? do I recompile the kernel or what? |
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| 02:50.18 | abrotman | it has the driver |
| 02:50.18 | cantido | morgawr: what happens if you try to load snd-hda-intel with modprobe? |
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| 02:50.32 | morgawr | cantido: what's the command? |
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| 02:50.36 | abrotman | modprobe foo |
| 02:51.01 | karlpinc | morgawr: The kernel is supposed to find the card and load the module. If it's not then it is likely logging something. (You'd think so anyway.) |
| 02:51.05 | cantido | if it says no such device or similar it doesn't know about your audio chipset |
| 02:51.10 | morgawr | libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:924 command_do: Error running install command for snd |
| 02:51.13 | morgawr | ERROR: could not insert 'snd_hda_intel': Operation not permitted |
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| 02:51.25 | morgawr | (yes, I ran it as root) |
| 02:51.51 | morgawr | anyhow, do you have any idea why I have no /proc/asound? Everybody on the internet say to check there but I don't even have it |
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| 02:52.12 | abrotman | your driver isn't loaded .. you have no audio devices presented to the OS |
| 02:52.12 | cantido | morgawr: the other parts of alsa probably aren't loaded |
| 02:52.38 | cantido | loading an alsa driver will cause the mixer etc stuff to get loaded |
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| 02:53.43 | cantido | has never seen that error before.. |
| 02:54.06 | morgawr | oh well |
| 02:54.10 | morgawr | I think I might try to reboot agai |
| 02:54.12 | morgawr | again |
| 02:54.14 | morgawr | I'll brb |
| 02:54.18 | morgawr | thanks for the help anyhow guys |
| 02:54.18 | cantido | morgawr: get dmesg output |
| 02:54.22 | cantido | after rebooting.. |
| 02:54.29 | morgawr | will do |
| 02:54.29 | morgawr | later |
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| 02:55.05 | karlpinc | I suppose his hardware could be broken.... (point finger, point finger!) |
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| 02:55.54 | sanitypassing | what's the best filesystem to use for an externel drive when compatibility between linux, mac and windows is wanted? |
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| 02:56.20 | cantido | sanitypassing: FAT32 is ok if you don't need massive files/filesystems |
| 02:56.36 | karlpinc | (for some value of "ok".) |
| 02:56.37 | cantido | can't remember if OSX can read/write NTFS |
| 02:56.42 | sanitypassing | hm, the disk util isn't giving me the option of FAT32 |
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| 02:56.58 | sanitypassing | do I need to install something to provide support? |
| 02:57.27 | sanitypassing | oh, or do I need to format it to FAT, and change the parition type to FAT32? |
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| 02:57.32 | cantido | sanitypassing: I don't think disk util will allow you to create FAT filesystems.. but you can read them from what I remember |
| 02:57.38 | sanitypassing | hmm |
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| 02:57.42 | morgawr | here I am |
| 02:57.47 | morgawr | audio still seems not to work |
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| 02:57.53 | cantido | karlpinc: there aren't many FS that can be read/written on all three |
| 02:57.54 | morgawr | http://sprunge.us/IHff this is the output of dmesg |
| 02:58.01 | sanitypassing | ok. |
| 02:58.28 | karlpinc | cantido: Agreed. I too wonder about OS/X and ntfs. |
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| 02:58.44 | cantido | sanitypassing: linux can read HFS, not sure about writting,.. windows and osx can read/write ext3 with a driver I think |
| 02:58.53 | morgawr | I see stuff like |
| 02:58.56 | morgawr | [ 15.148270] snd: Unknown symbol unregister_sound_special (err 0) |
| 02:58.58 | cantido | the driver didn't work on OSX last time I tried it |
| 02:58.58 | abrotman | morgawr: you did something .. |
| 02:58.58 | sanitypassing | the drive is currently ntfs, but it doesn't want to work under debian |
| 02:58.59 | morgawr | could it be the problem? |
| 02:59.00 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: dosfstools |
| 02:59.04 | morgawr | abrotman: what? |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | morgawr: reinstall your kernel package |
| 02:59.18 | sanitypassing | karlpinc: already latest version |
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| 02:59.41 | morgawr | abrotman: how do I reinstall a kernel through apt-get/dpkg? I've always compiled them from scratch... |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | man apt-get |
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| 03:00.28 | morgawr | is the kernel package "linux-headers-etcetc"? |
| 03:00.32 | sanitypassing | ok, so if I can't do FAT32, is FAT an acceptable substitute? |
| 03:00.41 | cantido | morgawr: its linux-image-blah |
| 03:00.42 | sanitypassing | Or should I just work on getting NTFS support to work on debian |
| 03:00.59 | cantido | sanitypassing: NTFS 3g apparently works pretty well |
| 03:01.00 | morgawr | cantido: mmk, thanks |
| 03:01.09 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 03:01.16 | sanitypassing | I guess I'll stick with NTFS then. |
| 03:01.17 | sanitypassing | Thanks |
| 03:01.31 | cantido | sanitypassing: I don't really trust that stuff though.. NTFS is all reverse engineered |
| 03:01.33 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: Just make sure that the drive is not got the MS virtual disk stuff on it. |
| 03:01.41 | sanitypassing | karlpinc: the what? |
| 03:01.53 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: It's like lvm, but of course they call it something else. |
| 03:02.03 | sanitypassing | how do I tell if it's there? |
| 03:02.08 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: (And you can only use entire devices, not partitions.) |
| 03:02.13 | sanitypassing | can format under windows if that makes a difference |
| 03:02.17 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: file -s /dev/foo would probably do it. |
| 03:02.38 | sanitypassing | karlpinc: what does that command do? |
| 03:02.42 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: Where foo is the entire device. |
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| 03:03.05 | sanitypassing | nevermind, read manpage |
| 03:03.24 | sanitypassing | hmm |
| 03:03.24 | cantido | sanitypassing: can you write to an NTFS fs on OSX? |
| 03:03.28 | sanitypassing | cantido: no idea |
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| 03:03.48 | sanitypassing | OSX isn't a huge concern, I guess |
| 03:03.59 | sanitypassing | I just mainly need native Window and Linux |
| 03:04.15 | sanitypassing | (native on Windows, I can install stuff on linux) |
| 03:04.19 | cantido | sanitypassing: OSX can do NFS, so you can export the files over the network without resorting to samba |
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| 03:04.45 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: You could always wikipedia ntfs to see about os/x support. |
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| 03:04.55 | morgawr | oh well, what do you know.. reinstalling the kernel worked :) |
| 03:05.01 | morgawr | thanks to everyone that helped me out |
| 03:05.08 | morgawr | sorry for asking stupid questions |
| 03:05.16 | sanitypassing | OSX is read-only |
| 03:05.18 | karlpinc | morgawr: Perhaps a fsck is in order? (Like, what could have broken that?) |
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| 03:05.51 | morgawr | karlpinc: I was listening to music with banshee, then watched a movie with mplayer (gnome-mplayer if that matters) and after that banshee didn't output sound anymore |
| 03:06.11 | cantido | morgawr: maybe your disk is on it's way out |
| 03:06.15 | morgawr | so I checked pulseaudio and it said dummy output, even after restarting... I removed pulseaudio and reinstalled it, then stuff happened and joined this channel :| |
| 03:06.32 | morgawr | cantido: I hope not.. I did a healthy check this morning and it found no problem |
| 03:06.32 | karlpinc | morgawr: Sounds like it could be heat related. |
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| 03:06.37 | morgawr | heat? |
| 03:07.08 | karlpinc | morgawr: Hardware fails as it gets hotter. Cooling must be adequate. Etc. |
| 03:07.35 | Morgawr | karlpinc: yeah yeah.. but I doubt it's a heat problem, especially from hard drives.. but oh well, as long as it doesn't happen again, I'm fine with it |
| 03:07.41 | Morgawr | I probably messed up something myself |
| 03:08.15 | cantido | karlpinc: if the module was written to disk correctly it shouldn't have gotten corrupted without writing it.. if the cpu was going crazy enough to overwrite random parts of the disk you would know about it |
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| 03:08.38 | Morgawr | anyhow, thanks again for the help |
| 03:08.46 | Morgawr | it's 5am over here, I think I'll head to sleep :) |
| 03:08.56 | karlpinc | cantido: There's always bad ram, flakey psu-s under load.... |
| 03:08.57 | cantido | Morgawr: I would run debsums at some point.. |
| 03:09.11 | gasull | so mosh isn't available in Debian any more? |
| 03:09.53 | Morgawr | cantido: alright :) |
| 03:09.57 | Morgawr | thank you guys, good night! |
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| 03:10.04 | cantido | karlpinc: true, but I would have thought the kernel would crash or the machine check stuff would kick if there were issues that serious :) |
| 03:10.13 | karlpinc | ,versions mosh |
| 03:10.15 | judd | Package: mosh on i386 -- wheezy: 1.1-1+b1; sid: 1.1.3-1 |
| 03:10.41 | karlpinc | gasull: You might have to backport yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" in your irc client. |
| 03:11.50 | gasull | karlpinc: thanks |
| 03:12.28 | karlpinc | gasull: (One of the bots knows how to check backport dependences, but I forget how to do it.) |
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| 03:17.09 | karlpinc | judd: checkbackport mosh |
| 03:17.10 | judd | Backporting package mosh in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 03:17.14 | cantido | Is there a tool that can show the differences between to elf binaries? |
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| 03:18.03 | karlpinc | cantido: You could always do a paid of hd-s and then wdiff them. (uh...) |
| 03:18.09 | karlpinc | s/paid/pair/ |
| 03:18.25 | cantido | whats hd-s? |
| 03:18.50 | karlpinc | cantido: hex dump "man hd" |
| 03:19.05 | cantido | ah ok |
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| 03:19.40 | karlpinc | cantido: What are you trying to do? (You could reverse assemble them, run strings, etc. and diff those.) |
| 03:19.54 | cantido | is trying to work out why binutils 2.21 generates a working m68k binary, but binutils 2.22 creats something that writes all over memory |
| 03:20.17 | cantido | I think I might use objdump to disassemble everything and compare that. |
| 03:20.30 | cantido | nm shows that everything is in the same place and same size :/ |
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| 03:22.27 | karlpinc | cantido: Well. There you go then. The 1 bit difference in the version string between 2.21 and 2.22; the data's driving the show! |
| 03:22.59 | cantido | haha, maybe |
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| 03:32.04 | cantido | karlpinc: the disassebly is identical,.. so it isn't that string heh |
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| 04:30.03 | educr0w | I think is not dependencies, but I just want to install what I want with minimum deps.. |
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| 04:43.15 | buhman | http://absdev.org/network2.png is a spectacularly terrible picture of my network ; I want to go from "10.4.6.28" to 10.4.4.0/24. Currently, the server can access 10.4.4.0/24 |
| 04:45.34 | codepal | any specific reason why I shouldn't use Debian 6 in a Hyper-V vm ? |
| 04:47.20 | buhman | codepal: if the kernel included in squeeze doesn't have the hyperv guest drivers? |
| 04:47.34 | buhman | codepal: other than that it's hyper-v you mean? |
| 04:48.55 | codepal | i'm being told by a predominantly windows server sys admin that I should put up with having a centos server |
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| 04:49.14 | buhman | no doubt because he doesn't use it himself |
| 04:49.25 | codepal | I'm asking, is there any real / perceived reasons why I shouldn't demand debian 6 |
| 04:49.35 | codepal | instead |
| 04:49.43 | usv | anyone knows where disappeared virtualbox.org ? |
| 04:49.44 | buhman | if the alternative is centos? absolutely zero |
| 04:49.58 | buhman | usv: kvm swallowed it whole |
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| 04:50.36 | codepal | anybody else got a debian 6 biased opinion on this issue? |
| 04:50.57 | cantido | codepal: you should google up when the drivers when into the mainline.. |
| 04:51.02 | codepal | I love debian, wouldn't really want to have to learn to sys admin centos myself.... |
| 04:52.25 | codepal | by drivers you mean hyper-v kernel support? |
| 04:52.41 | cantido | codepal: where does the kernel come from for hyperv? does it use the kernel from the guest os? or is it configured outside? |
| 04:54.17 | codepal | afaik - the kernel is seperate from hyperv - but there are specific kernel modules that have been developed for the mainline kernel by microsoft to help with performance & monitoring |
| 04:54.44 | codepal | which from what I've gathered are mostly only available in linux 3.0 |
| 04:54.48 | codepal | or greater |
| 04:54.55 | cantido | codepal: I mean, do you have control over the kernel? |
| 04:55.31 | codepal | if I'm installing this new vm, then I'd have to say yes, right!??! |
| 04:55.51 | codepal | hyper-v doesn't dictate the kernel you install in the vm |
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| 04:56.09 | codepal | you could custom compile it |
| 04:56.09 | cantido | well, on some xen hosts you can only use a kernel from the ones you get provided |
| 04:56.40 | codepal | this is a dedicated server I'm referring to |
| 04:56.52 | codepal | the hyper-v will be running 6 vm's |
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| 04:57.08 | codepal | some windows ones and a couple of linux ones, afaik |
| 04:57.12 | codepal | so... |
| 04:57.31 | cantido | codepal: yes, I don't know how hyper-v works in regards to how the kernel is loaded.. you might be able to get away with running debian on a provided kernel |
| 04:57.41 | cantido | i.e. one that is all patched up for hyper-v |
| 04:58.45 | codepal | http://j.mp/IDOLER |
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| 05:00.24 | buhman | heh, wouldn't that be cool to be Greg Kroah-Hartman, so you can say "haha, your code sucks!" |
| 05:00.28 | buhman | (to microsoft) |
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| 05:10.41 | antiisolo | hey i have installed firefox onto my debian squeeze, and have removed iceweasel. But I cant get flash to work. I have tried syslink the mozilla/plugins folder to both .mozilla/plugins and lib/firefox/plugins but it doesnt seem to be picking it up, any ideas? |
| 05:11.14 | xbix | good morning everyone |
| 05:11.26 | naptastic | morning |
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| 05:27.34 | a_r_un | hi |
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| 05:30.44 | a_r_un | i just install squeeze on my new thiknpad x220 but it doesn't detect my intel advanced 6205 wifi card |
| 05:30.53 | a_r_un | i loaded iwlagn module |
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| 05:33.44 | xbix | antiisolo: are you install firefox from sources or just put it somewere & run it? if first /use/lib/firefox/plugins, if second /%path_to_your_firefox%/plugins. restart firefox |
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| 05:33.55 | sanitypassing | is there any way to get VLC 2.x to build under squeeze without breaking the system? |
| 05:34.27 | cantido | sanitypassing: did you explain why you must have 2.x yet? |
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| 05:35.10 | Richard_Cavell | cantido: because it's the newest and therefore the best |
| 05:35.22 | sanitypassing | sighs. |
| 05:35.29 | antiisolo | xbix, i did it manually because I didnt see a way to do it through sources, but i do have it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 05:35.56 | cantido | sanitypassing: you sigh.. if you just want newer stuff you can actually say that |
| 05:35.57 | sanitypassing | Peformance, better format support (especially for mkv), better audio handling |
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| 05:36.12 | antiisolo | a_r_un, i dont know if this will help you, but when I set up to use backports, and updated my linux kernal to 3.2, it fixed all my issues with my wireless card |
| 05:36.12 | cantido | sanitypassing: have you looked at debian multimedia? |
| 05:36.15 | jpinx | sanitypassing: try backporting? |
| 05:36.21 | antiisolo | a_r_un http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 05:36.22 | sanitypassing | there is no backport. |
| 05:36.34 | cantido | jpinx: the backport for squeeze is 1.3 |
| 05:36.34 | jpinx | sanitypassing: build your own backport |
| 05:36.39 | a_r_un | antiisolo: ok, let me try that |
| 05:36.42 | a_r_un | thanks |
| 05:36.43 | sanitypassing | Trying to, refuses to compile. |
| 05:37.04 | jpinx | ! ssb |
| 05:37.04 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:37.13 | cantido | sanitypassing: I think that if you really want better support for formats etc that VLC isn't the issue.. VLC depends on a bunch of libraries for that stuff |
| 05:37.51 | trench | sanitypassing: why not mplayer? |
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| 05:38.10 | sanitypassing | I like VLC. |
| 05:38.31 | trench | okey |
| 05:38.58 | cantido | vlc 2 only came into testing recently, I haven't noticed any difference except the UI to be honest.. va-api etc started working after an Intel driver update |
| 05:38.58 | trench | sanitypassing: backport it then? :P |
| 05:39.14 | sanitypassing | sure, if I can get the dependencies satisfied. |
| 05:39.47 | jpinx | sanitypassing: did you read that ssb factoid? |
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| 05:39.52 | sanitypassing | going over it now |
| 05:40.14 | sanitypassing | it's safe to add the deb-src for sid? |
| 05:40.18 | cantido | sanitypassing: do you need to upgrade ffmpeg in the process? |
| 05:40.26 | jpinx | it will attempt to sort out dependencies |
| 05:40.35 | sanitypassing | Yeah |
| 05:40.37 | cantido | I think you'll end up building a bunch of backports in the end |
| 05:40.52 | sanitypassing | I don't mind building packages, as long as it doesn't break the system |
| 05:41.06 | trench | sanitypassing: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-i386/package/vlc |
| 05:41.08 | jpinx | sanitypassing: I've done ssb before - it works |
| 05:41.31 | sanitypassing | trench: is that a backport? |
| 05:41.36 | trench | yeah |
| 05:41.45 | sanitypassing | ah, it's i386 |
| 05:41.45 | cantido | did say to check debian multimedia |
| 05:41.46 | trench | 2.0.1-0 |
| 05:41.54 | sanitypassing | I'm amd64. |
| 05:42.10 | cantido | sanitypassing: check the debian multimedia page.. they have amd64 too |
| 05:42.11 | sanitypassing | and I was told i386 doesn't play well with amd64 in squeeze |
| 05:42.17 | sanitypassing | ok. |
| 05:42.25 | trench | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-amd64/package/vlc |
| 05:42.28 | trench | there |
| 05:42.36 | sanitypassing | hmm. |
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| 05:42.39 | sanitypassing | how did I miss that? |
| 05:42.57 | jpinx | offers trench a bigger spoon ;) |
| 05:42.58 | trench | by not reading the full page |
| 05:43.39 | sanitypassing | hmm. |
| 05:43.42 | sanitypassing | well, thanks |
| 05:43.46 | trench | yw |
| 05:43.56 | a_r_un | antiisolo: which kernel did you install on your thinkpad ? |
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| 05:45.11 | trench | a_r_un: seen this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_6.0_(squeeze)_on_a_ThinkPad_X220 ? |
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| 05:46.02 | a_r_un | trench: yes, i followed it, but i couldn't get my wifi card detected |
| 05:47.21 | a_r_un | mine is debian 6.0.4 |
| 05:47.31 | a_r_un | but it shouldn't make much diff I beliebe |
| 05:47.35 | a_r_un | believe* |
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| 05:47.39 | trench | yeah |
| 05:47.42 | trench | true |
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| 05:48.47 | a_r_un | 6205 is a popular card and well supported |
| 05:48.55 | a_r_un | but it's weird that it doesn't work |
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| 05:50.55 | sanitypassing | hmm, that .deb for VLC won't install. |
| 05:51.47 | trench | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00284.html some talking about it here |
| 05:51.58 | jpinx | sanitypassing: what did you use? |
| 05:52.10 | trench | but that person only have trouble connecting to a wlan |
| 05:52.42 | sanitypassing | jpinx: sudo dpkg -i X.deb (where x = the package) |
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| 05:53.12 | jpinx | sanitypassing: and the error? |
| 05:53.20 | a_r_un | i can't even get the OS to detect the card |
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| 05:53.23 | a_r_un | :( |
| 05:53.26 | sanitypassing | lemme gist it. |
| 05:53.29 | a_r_un | let me try the new kernel |
| 05:53.40 | jpinx | sanitypassing: pastebinit |
| 05:53.49 | sanitypassing | is there a difference? :/ |
| 05:53.54 | cantido | a_r_un: is the card listed in lspci? |
| 05:53.58 | a_r_un | nop |
| 05:54.11 | trench | that's strange |
| 05:54.14 | cantido | a_r_un: is it usb? in lsusb? |
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| 05:54.45 | sanitypassing | jpinx: http://pastebin.com/fzEjq88e |
| 05:54.52 | sanitypassing | feels dirty, using pastebin. |
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| 05:55.26 | trench | sanitypassing: you are missing some packages |
| 05:55.32 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 05:55.34 | trench | sanitypassing: that'swhy :P |
| 05:55.39 | izepstan | hi, hello there, i have a webserver with courier pop3 and imap running, now different american ip adresses try to login continuously, how should i block them? |
| 05:55.49 | sanitypassing | trench: is there a command to satifsy the dependencies? |
| 05:55.53 | izepstan | on the web i found this "fail2ban" |
| 05:55.59 | izepstan | should i work with this? |
| 05:56.14 | cantido | izepstan: fail2ban will work.. you need to look over the docs on the site |
| 05:56.19 | a_r_un | new kernel did the trick :) |
| 05:56.42 | jpinx | !tell izepstan about fail2ban |
| 05:56.50 | cantido | izepstan: It should just be a case of editing the jail.conf to enable the courier parts though |
| 05:57.20 | xbix | izepstan: iptables |
| 05:57.31 | trench | sanitypassing: add the source in your /etc/apt/sources.list http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m you find your country in there |
| 05:57.44 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 05:57.48 | cantido | xbix: fail2ban can use iptables to do the blocking .. :) |
| 05:58.57 | sanitypassing | trench: aptitude is telling me that's not correct |
| 05:59.01 | xbix | cantido: why then need fail2ban& =) |
| 05:59.05 | xbix | ?* |
| 05:59.19 | cantido | xbix: to work out which hosts to ban automatically using the logs |
| 05:59.53 | trench | sanitypassing: that? |
| 05:59.54 | cantido | xbix: once you ban one bot you'll just get another trying the same things |
| 06:00.07 | sanitypassing | trench: ? |
| 06:00.19 | trench | sanitypassing: you need to find your mirror that works |
| 06:00.26 | sanitypassing | where is a mirror list? |
| 06:01.02 | sanitypassing | nevermind, I think I found it |
| 06:01.03 | trench | sanitypassing: http://debian-multimedia.org/ you see the Mirror link on the left side |
| 06:01.20 | xbix | cantido: nice. i did not know about fail2ban. thank for info |
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| 06:02.01 | sanitypassing | there aren't any US mirrors on that list. O_o |
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| 06:03.16 | xbix | sanitypassing: us mirrors. german mirrors. other mirros. what's the difference? |
| 06:03.31 | sanitypassing | language? |
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| 06:04.03 | xbix | localization does not depend from mirrors |
| 06:04.11 | sanitypassing | Oh, ok. |
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| 06:04.44 | xbix | because this is MIRRRORS |
| 06:04.45 | sanitypassing | I added a canadian mirror, but now its giving me a GPG error. |
| 06:04.55 | a_r_un | for i5 should i install amd64 kernel ? |
| 06:04.58 | xbix | add gpg key |
| 06:04.59 | cantido | sanitypassing: you need to add the signing key |
| 06:05.11 | cantido | a_r_un: amd64 will work yes |
| 06:05.20 | a_r_un | i686 won't ? |
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| 06:05.28 | cantido | a_r_un: whether you *should* install amd64 depends on a few things |
| 06:05.38 | cantido | a_r_un: do you have 4GB or more RAM? |
| 06:05.39 | ssfdre38 | hey where can i get the Wheezy iso to test it? |
| 06:05.44 | sanitypassing | cantido: I can't find the key anywhere. |
| 06:05.45 | a_r_un | I have 4GB |
| 06:05.55 | cantido | a_r_un: install amd64 then |
| 06:06.01 | a_r_un | ok thanks |
| 06:07.02 | xbix | ssfdre38: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 06:07.22 | rook2pawn | xbix: bah, those links are screwy |
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| 06:07.37 | rook2pawn | the http ones are basically forever and will break b4 they finish downloading |
| 06:07.48 | mah454 | dpkg bash |
| 06:07.48 | dpkg | i guess bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:07.54 | mah454 | dpkg advdef |
| 06:07.54 | dpkg | mah454: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:08.04 | rook2pawn | and the bittorrent is a complete failure as thjey never update the tracker to give permission to the newer files |
| 06:08.44 | trench | sanitypassing: wget http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-multimedia-keyring_2010.12.26_all.deb |
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| 06:10.03 | sanitypassing | Ok, I added the signature. |
| 06:10.18 | sanitypassing | So do I just sudo apt-get install ..., or is there something else I'm missing? |
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| 06:10.36 | trench | yes and no |
| 06:10.40 | sanitypassing | ok |
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| 06:11.39 | sanitypassing | what am I missing? |
| 06:13.03 | alalwe | Trying to install weechat, getting dependency problems. Any ideas? http://www.klistrain.se/visa/N04yftAe |
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| 06:14.15 | xbix | alalwe: dinstall all depending files |
| 06:14.21 | xbix | install* |
| 06:14.35 | alalwe | never mind |
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| 06:18.20 | sanitypassing | Nope, can't figure this out. |
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| 06:24.58 | antiisolo | xbix, is there anything i can possibly be missing? ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/firefox/plugins? i dont know why its not picking it up |
| 06:25.08 | antiisolo | about:config isnt even showing any plugins |
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| 06:26.28 | sanitypassing | ok, so I added debian-multimedia to my sources.list, but I still can't get VLC to install. |
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| 06:31.20 | jbrks | !multimedia |
| 06:31.42 | jbrks | sanitypassing, works? |
| 06:31.51 | sanitypassing | what works? |
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| 06:39.13 | mick_laptop | is there ever a valid reason for gnome to popup w/ a message that says "someone else is logged in, please put in your root password to reboot" |
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| 06:39.29 | mick_laptop | this is a desktop |
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| 06:40.04 | mick_laptop | I do ssh out from this box, and I do su to root at times |
| 06:40.13 | mick_laptop | could it have complained because of that? |
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| 06:43.26 | xbix | raaaaahhhh!!! my internet provider was crashed. only skype & irc are working. no http |
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| 06:43.56 | FDFlock | mick_laptop: I 've not encountered this Gnome message, but sounds like a good feature. What if you type "users" in your terminal? Do you see others? |
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| 07:07.01 | xthree | Hai |
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| 07:23.52 | bfig | if i write SOMEVAR="...." in my .bashrc, and $SOMEVAR is a directory, why can't i cd $SOMEVAR ? |
| 07:24.31 | SPF | bfig: you have to use export SOMEVAR="..." |
| 07:25.25 | bfig | SPF, the variable is visible from the prompt, ie, if i do "echo $SOMEVAR" it echoes the correct value |
| 07:25.45 | bfig | i obviously just tried your sugestion before commenting this |
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| 07:26.52 | bfig | (and it didn't work) |
| 07:26.58 | mick_laptop | FDFlock: I haven't seen it today |
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| 07:27.31 | mick_laptop | it did manage to scare the crap out of me though |
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| 07:36.22 | xbix | haha. i`m again in internet |
| 07:36.27 | xbix | урааа!! |
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| 07:39.24 | SPF | bfig: strange, it works for me. are you sure you are using bash? |
| 07:39.40 | bfig | SPF, that is a good question. how can i check? |
| 07:40.12 | bfig | gnu bash 4.2.20 according to bash --version |
| 07:40.43 | SPF | if you type ps you should see that bash is started |
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| 07:41.11 | bfig | yes |
| 07:41.12 | bfig | it is |
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| 07:42.42 | bfig | maybe it is a difference between ' and " |
| 07:42.49 | bfig | checks |
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| 07:43.13 | SPF | bfig: you could also try cd "$SOMEDIR" |
| 07:43.25 | bfig | tried and didn't work either |
| 07:44.20 | SPF | does the path have any special characters like spaces? |
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| 07:46.52 | bfig | SPF, ~/. ... |
| 07:47.41 | bfig | they are not very special, shouldn't it just transform them to a string? they don't escape anything or do weird things |
| 07:47.56 | bfig | it is something like ~/.foo/bar/baz |
| 07:48.06 | bfig | tried both wrapped in ' and in " |
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| 07:48.39 | afidegnum | Hello, good morning, pls I m in troubble, my VPS can send messages but can't receive. what is the problem what should I do to solve it? here is the pastebin of the error message I received. http://pastebin.com/Tk0M7kYv |
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| 07:50.12 | SPF | bfig: it seems that bash doesn't like ~ |
| 07:50.52 | simonlnu | $HOME has to be defined for ~/ to work |
| 07:51.09 | simonlnu | better to use ${HOME} or $HOME |
| 07:51.12 | bfig | ok |
| 07:51.24 | bfig | what's the difference between ${HOME} and $HOME ? |
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| 07:52.45 | SPF | simonlnu: even if you'd use ~user/.foo/bar/baz it doesn't work |
| 07:52.56 | bfig | SPF, thanks! now works :) |
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| 07:54.03 | SPF | bfig: I assume with export MYHOME="${HOME}/.foo/bar/baz" ? |
| 07:54.16 | bfig | yes |
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| 08:00.56 | aplund | Does anyone know if there is an in tree package for EFI binutils? |
| 08:01.06 | aplund | err.. like in the repos I mean. |
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| 08:01.31 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 08:01.59 | Bartzy | if I have a web server with a document root pointing to a symlink. The symlink points to dir1. Then I change the symlink to point to dir2 |
| 08:02.03 | Bartzy | I need to restart the web server, right ? |
| 08:02.24 | Bartzy | Because it has a fd open for dir1 already, and thinks this is were the symlink points to ? |
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| 08:04.45 | afidegnum | any insight about my issue ? |
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| 08:05.53 | [PL]Kamyk | hi all :) |
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| 08:17.08 | eugenmayer | doesn dpkg-reconfigure ignore preseeds read with debconf-set-selections just beforehand? |
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| 08:21.26 | eugenmayer | out of any reason i have to use —no-reload with dpk-reconfigure to get this working |
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| 08:38.02 | imgrey | good day #debian |
| 08:38.16 | imgrey | could somebody tell me how to add icon on the top bar in gnome 3 ? |
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| 08:52.21 | guardian | are arguments passed to pre/post rotate scripts when using logrotate? |
| 08:52.29 | guardian | and since it's not documented, should one rely on that? :/ |
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| 09:02.58 | intore_ | morning, i want to set /etc/skel/ on my server for next users i'll add on ldap and i'd like every user has mozilla and openoffice by default |
| 09:03.24 | hanibana | As a Linux sysadmin, I'm dealing with lots of informations, contacts, technical documents, and ... Is there any tool (a knowledge management system?) to organize all of these, as a whole, which give easy and quick access to these kind of information...? |
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| 09:06.19 | intore_ | morning, i want to set /etc/skel/ on my server for next users i'll add on ldap and i'd like every user has mozilla and openoffice by default. how is the procedure to actualize it? |
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| 09:07.51 | c0rnel | hello all |
| 09:07.59 | Iridos | "has" mozilla and openoffice? |
| 09:08.17 | c0rnel | where is debian installer looking after firmware? |
| 09:08.26 | intore_ | Iridos: sorry? |
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| 09:10.15 | c0rnel | /usr/local/lib/firmware - Location for manually installed firmware. |
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| 09:14.02 | Iridos | intore_, what does that mean? |
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| 09:14.30 | Iridos | dpkg, tell c0rnel about firmware images |
| 09:15.29 | c0rnel | Iridos, thank you |
| 09:15.39 | Iridos | or do you have firmware that's not packaged at all? |
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| 09:16.28 | intore_ | Iridos: maybe my english is not perfect, i want every user has by mozilla and openoffice by default on his profile |
| 09:16.39 | c0rnel | i have a tar.gz from here : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ |
| 09:17.05 | c0rnel | Iridos, ^ |
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| 09:19.43 | Iridos | don't use the wheezy installer, that's for testing the installer |
| 09:20.19 | Iridos | intore_, your english is fine... I just wonder what "to have something on your profile" means. The commandline-command "mozilla"? |
| 09:22.07 | intore_ | Iridos: i want every user has on his desktop mozilla, openoffice and some shared folders by default |
| 09:23.37 | Iridos | oh, you mean a link in the "$HOME/Desktop" directory |
| 09:25.24 | Iridos | no, skel needs no "update", it's used whenever you make a new user... and I'm not so sure if including Desktop/ in there is such a good idea as that is obviously generated by something else |
| 09:25.32 | Iridos | e.g. by nautilus |
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| 09:26.00 | Iridos | and if it already finds it present, what will it do? |
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| 09:37.40 | dark-sun | hi people |
| 09:37.46 | dark-sun | ... and bots |
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| 09:38.37 | setog3 | do you know a presentation software (like powerpoint), that will work under my debian ? (I am not convinced by libreoffice, want to try something different that support including video inside presentation, and that can easyly import slide from old powerpoint presentation) |
| 09:38.44 | dark-sun | my touchpad driver is not working properly, what should I do to track the issue? |
| 09:38.44 | mstevens | Anyone else having trouble with the mozilla.debian.net repos today? |
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| 09:39.58 | dark-sun | does not use mozilla.debian.net... |
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| 09:50.00 | Iridos | setog3, openoffice could have videos in presentations and so I bet libreoffice does as well... you do need the correct gstreamer plugins, though |
| 09:50.54 | Iridos | dark-sun, check logs first? |
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| 10:10.42 | ChrisH | I noticed iceweasel changed the default search engine with 616115... How do I get google back? Manage Search enignes simply points me to addons.mozilla.org. Searching the web was yet not successfull, most probably wrong search string used |
| 10:13.08 | xbix | ChrisH: put in address: about:config & go to string browser.search.defaultenginename. set it to Google |
| 10:13.42 | intore_ | Iridos: what do you suggest to do this? |
| 10:14.14 | xbix | ChrisH: also change other search string sa you wish |
| 10:14.54 | xbix | strings as* |
| 10:15.30 | xbix | sorry for my orthography |
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| 10:16.54 | codepal | being presented with the choice of a lifetime... either apache2 or lighttpd -- who wants to weigh in their vote? |
| 10:16.56 | dark-sun | people I'm using debian wheezy, why in the world synaptic "force-verion" is disabled? |
| 10:17.14 | ksk | codepal: depends on your needs |
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| 10:17.31 | ksk | if its just a random website go and use apache (if you need or want or like its features) |
| 10:17.44 | ksk | it its more like a high performance thigny go ahead and try lighttpd |
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| 10:17.56 | codepal | I can reconfigure right? |
| 10:18.06 | ksk | mhm? |
| 10:18.20 | ChrisH | xbix: I assumed its similar... thanks for the tip, seems like a restart is needed. I still do not see google as option still only the ones which had been there before. |
| 10:18.40 | Dulak | codepal: the real question is how much do you know about running a web server already? |
| 10:18.51 | codepal | I just chose apache, what I really want to do is nginx static content and pass-through php stuffs to something else |
| 10:18.53 | xbix | ChrisH: restart firefox |
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| 10:19.01 | dark-sun | feels like he's talking to his balls... |
| 10:19.04 | codepal | anybody experienced with ISPConfig? |
| 10:19.20 | codepal | dark-sun, wheezy is testing |
| 10:19.38 | codepal | dark-sun, which will probably explain mulitple brokenesses |
| 10:19.39 | dark-sun | codepal✪ so what? I can't downgrade? |
| 10:19.50 | codepal | dark-sun, including your balls |
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| 10:20.21 | Dulak | Just how often do you talk to them anyways? |
| 10:20.22 | dark-sun | codepal✪ look dude, I just want to downgrade a package. u got any idea about that? |
| 10:20.36 | codepal | dark-sun, downgrade or fix the problem in synaptic by doing - apt-get remove synaptic |
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| 10:20.42 | XATRIX | hi guys, i've got a problem. i've an outdated version of Debian system on my VPS server , how can i update the packages... ? |
| 10:20.42 | XATRIX | http://pastebin.com/25sr1ASS |
| 10:20.49 | dark-sun | Dulak✪ believe me, they need attention. ;) |
| 10:21.09 | XATRIX | don't tell me about the upgrade, cause it's not gonna be possible in a few weeks |
| 10:22.17 | codepal | dark-sun, http://j.mp/Ir0ODq |
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| 10:23.02 | dark-sun | codepal✪ thanks dude, I'm reading that |
| 10:23.24 | codepal | dark-sun, there's also a good howto somewhere else |
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| 10:23.41 | codepal | dark-sun, I think it may be on the askubuntu site |
| 10:23.49 | codepal | it's all debian stuff |
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| 10:40.46 | sunbeam | how can I maximize a window (terminal for example) in debian (XFCE4 Desktop env) with keystrokes? |
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| 10:43.58 | colo-work | sunbeam, try Alt+F5 |
| 10:44.20 | ksuhku | sunbeam, also read http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/preferences |
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| 10:45.49 | nsadmin | sunbeam, what thing is accepting keystrokes that might maximize something? |
| 10:48.46 | gabedain | Is anyone having trouble with ftp.au.debian.org wheezy? |
| 10:49.01 | Iridos | nsadmin, the keyboard? |
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| 10:50.09 | nsadmin | Iridos, ahh yes,,, the keyboard's a listenen to the--- fingerbone... |
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| 10:50.45 | nsadmin | and somthin's a listenin to tha... keyboad |
| 10:51.06 | Iridos | my ears... the kbd says "click-clack" |
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| 10:51.31 | nsadmin | click clack, ear attack? |
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| 10:54.02 | nsadmin | which one is the minimaler: lxde, xfce? |
| 10:54.05 | Iridos | actually once one of my colleagues back then complained my typing was too loud! So mabbe yes |
| 10:54.32 | XATRIX | guys, can you help me with this situation ? |
| 10:54.40 | XATRIX | http://pastebin.com/25sr1ASS |
| 10:54.56 | nsadmin | I knew this guy, before he got a laptop he had this habit sometimes of banging hard on single keys... |
| 10:55.10 | nsadmin | then he got a laptop, the habit didn't go away... |
| 10:55.34 | nsadmin | XATRIX, a brief abstract of your situation? |
| 10:55.47 | FDFlock | well, I have a mechanical keyboard.... |
| 10:56.00 | FDFlock | quite swett, but i avoid using it - too loud! |
| 10:56.05 | FDFlock | *sweet |
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| 10:56.22 | Iridos | XATRIX, there are no security updates for lenny anymore because support for Lenny ended in Februrary. Upgrade to squeeze |
| 10:56.30 | nsadmin | I'm trying to motivate myself to read the post... (also pastebin.com is annoying/problematic; gist.github.com is one site that is not) |
| 10:57.17 | Iridos | it's actually ok since I told flasblock I want to block all flash from it and not see the annoying arrow that lets me start some web-bug |
| 10:57.28 | nsadmin | XATRIX, you might like to install libapp-nopaste-perl which will give you the executable "nopaste" which you can pipe things to |
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| 10:57.39 | gabedain | Apt-get is resolving all repository mirrors as 32.1.10.16. apt-get update and fetching from the repository manually works. I've tried a few DNS configurations on my router. What could be the problem? |
| 10:58.05 | XATRIX | nsadmin: thanks... i'll try to . |
| 10:58.13 | nsadmin | a web bug is caught by definition, no? |
| 10:58.20 | XATRIX | Iridos: so, there's no possibility to update anything ? |
| 10:58.31 | gabedain | Correction: it is SOMETIMES resolving all mirrors as that IP, but ALWAYS with ftp.au.debian.org |
| 10:58.45 | Iridos | XATRIX, update anything WHAT? |
| 10:58.45 | nsadmin | no, the last updates were sometime last month,,, no more, at all. |
| 10:59.01 | nsadmin | good point |
| 10:59.13 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny |
| 10:59.14 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 11:00.15 | nsadmin | right, it did end on the 6th, and, someone said the team did one last update in march just to clear the pipes... there is no more security updates at all |
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| 11:01.06 | Fluggs | hi |
| 11:01.21 | Fluggs | i'm running a debian server with apache2 and froxlor |
| 11:01.31 | Fluggs | and i seem to have a problem with froxlor |
| 11:01.35 | Fluggs | i edited the php.ini, restarted the system and neither froxlor nor apache started |
| 11:01.39 | Fluggs | when trying to run apache2ctl, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/index/iHWWcJkU |
| 11:01.43 | Fluggs | when i comment out line 10 (and line 13, as i get a syntax error there, too), and try to run apache2ctl, i get the error "bad user name xxx" |
| 11:01.47 | Fluggs | and that's where i am now |
| 11:01.51 | caraconan | Good morning. Scenario: laptop without ethernet NIC (not working) but with working Wifi interface. What's the best approach to finish installation? Looks like I have to burn CD's #1 and #2, any other ideas? I know that Ubuntu supports an installation from a wifi interface. Thanks |
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| 11:01.54 | nsadmin | ok, check out apache error logs |
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| 11:02.06 | Iridos | Fluggs, there's no froxlor in debian |
| 11:02.32 | nsadmin | caraconan, use netinst, leave network unconfigured. This will cause the installer and the base to come from the cd |
| 11:02.39 | xbix | caraconan: netinstall |
| 11:02.49 | caraconan | It doesn't works: grub failed to install |
| 11:02.53 | nsadmin | then you will have debian base, which may be a better platform for trying to get your wireless going |
| 11:02.54 | Fluggs | Iridos: what? |
| 11:03.09 | nsadmin | why did grub fail to install? |
| 11:03.16 | Woet | Fluggs: froxlor is not included in debian, and hence not supported in this channel |
| 11:03.21 | Woet | Fluggs: contact froxlor for support. |
| 11:03.22 | Fluggs | ah |
| 11:03.26 | caraconan | mmm actually I was trying with CD 1, but not with netinst, but I'm sure it will not work... Anyway I will try. Thanks |
| 11:03.34 | Fluggs | mh, the #froxlor channel seems to be kinda dead |
| 11:03.43 | Woet | Fluggs: does not mean it's suddenly a valid topic in #debian |
| 11:03.46 | Dulak | Fluggs: you have the libapache2-mod-fcgid package installed? |
| 11:03.47 | caraconan | Just the f... red error, I didn't check logs |
| 11:03.53 | nsadmin | caraconan, why are you so sure? what version of debian? |
| 11:04.01 | caraconan | 6.x |
| 11:04.12 | caraconan | My point is CD 1 > netinst |
| 11:04.13 | Fluggs | Dulak: i don't know, but the server ran till i restartet it |
| 11:04.17 | nsadmin | ok, did you say it's a laptop? |
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| 11:04.23 | caraconan | Yes |
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| 11:04.32 | Fluggs | *restarted |
| 11:04.42 | nsadmin | caraconan, true. 600+ mb > 180 mb. |
| 11:05.01 | nsadmin | other than that, what's greater about it? :) |
| 11:05.01 | caraconan | Any other approaches? I just want to finish the installation |
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| 11:05.20 | Fluggs | Dulak: how do i find out? |
| 11:05.25 | nsadmin | one thing you could do for now is use the cd to rescue into it |
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| 11:05.39 | Dulak | Fluggs: dpkg -l | grep libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 11:05.53 | nsadmin | but until you have a boot loader seems it will be inconvenient |
| 11:06.06 | Fluggs | yeah, it seems that i have |
| 11:06.24 | caraconan | This is my only complain about Debian: the installer. It's not good at all |
| 11:06.27 | sunbeam | colo-work: ALT+F5 doesn't |
| 11:06.43 | sunbeam | nsadmin: ? |
| 11:06.44 | Fluggs | Dulak: "rc libapache2-mod-fcgid 1:2.2-1+lenny1 an alternative module compat with mod_fastcg" |
| 11:06.49 | sunbeam | how can I maximize a window (terminal for example) in debian (XFCE4 Desktop env) with keystrokes? |
| 11:07.28 | nsadmin | I've been doing web dev with tcl for years... happy with it... having said that, how good or bad of an idea is it to learn php? |
| 11:07.51 | eSa| | sunbeam, alt-f10 or f11 for fullscreen |
| 11:07.59 | Dulak | Fluggs: is it apache 2 or 2.2? |
| 11:08.03 | xbix | sunbeam: F11 |
| 11:08.10 | sunbeam | eSa|: thanks |
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| 11:09.20 | Fluggs | Dulak: how do i find out? |
| 11:09.34 | Dulak | Fluggs: what version of debian are you on? squeeze? |
| 11:10.45 | Fluggs | uff, i don't know very much about the server |
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| 11:11.40 | nsadmin | I don't want to... seeing the problems reported here, makes it appear that php is fairly unstable in terms of how compatible changes made to the php interpreter are when the next point release comes out |
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| 11:12.41 | Dulak | nsadmin: it's a good idea if you want to find a lot of work, but if you want to actually code things for yourself, or you can choose something else, you should. |
| 11:13.22 | Bald0z | hi there, please help. i am upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but my ssh connection timed out during the question "do you want to use dash instead of sh" |
| 11:13.22 | nsadmin | yep that's exactly whhere my mind is |
| 11:13.34 | Bald0z | how can I resume the process? |
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| 11:13.51 | Bald0z | I tried apt-get -f install |
| 11:13.56 | Bald0z | but APT is locked (of course) |
| 11:14.05 | nsadmin | while job is money, I shudder at the idea of looking at all the incompatible crap out there |
| 11:14.10 | Iridos | nsadmin, you can mix html and php in all kinds of ways, which can be very convenient... |
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| 11:14.51 | Iridos | Bald0z, you cannot... run it the next time inside screen. Kill the process, cross fingers and re-run your last command |
| 11:15.23 | Dulak | Yeah always run a dist-upgrade in screen or tmux, in the future. |
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| 11:15.47 | Fluggs | Dulak: /etc/debian_version tells me that i'm running debian 5.0.9 |
| 11:15.52 | Bald0z | okay. thx for your help |
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| 11:16.37 | Iridos | Bald0z, it'll probably ok, though... you might wait until it actively stops doing stuff.. then it'll probably hang in a configure-prompt |
| 11:16.55 | Bald0z | I am sure it is already hang in a configure prompt |
| 11:17.01 | Bald0z | about using dash as default shell |
| 11:17.06 | Bald0z | so it should be doing nothing |
| 11:17.13 | Dulak | Fluggs: it's acting like fcgi isn't enabled from that error message, as root run a2enmod and choose fcgid from the list, to make sure it's enabled |
| 11:17.19 | Bald0z | should i run apt-get dist-upgrade after killing apt ? |
| 11:17.25 | Bald0z | as I did before |
| 11:17.26 | Bald0z | ? |
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| 11:17.52 | Iridos | yes, I'd just re-run what I was doing |
| 11:17.56 | bittin | is linux-image-3.3.0-trunk-powerpc stable or do i wanna run linux-image-3.3.0-rc6-powerpc? |
| 11:18.06 | Iridos | if it doesn't work, still time to think of some alternative :) |
| 11:18.16 | xbix | Bald0z: run it in screen |
| 11:18.20 | Fluggs | Dulak: i googled a bit, and someone had the problem that some config files were missing |
| 11:18.28 | Dulak | Fluggs: if that doesn't fix it you need to go to #apache and get help with your config |
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| 11:18.49 | Fluggs | the people in #apache sent me to debian / froxlor people :S |
| 11:18.55 | xbix | Bald0z: for more information read man screen |
| 11:18.56 | Dulak | bittin: trunk would be the newest most unstable version |
| 11:19.10 | bittin | Dulak, ah |
| 11:19.19 | bittin | so what is the difference with trunk and rc6 ? |
| 11:19.21 | Bald0z | yeah, sure, going to. I know screen but never used it before. |
| 11:19.59 | Dulak | bittin: rc6 stands for release candidate 6, so its going to be locked, it won't change, because it's up to be a release |
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| 11:20.07 | bittin | ah |
| 11:20.32 | bittin | so its better to use rc6 if i want a stable computer then ? |
| 11:20.33 | bittin | :) |
| 11:20.49 | Dulak | bittin: yes probably |
| 11:21.05 | bittin | good, thx for clearing that up |
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| 11:22.59 | jubo2 | First off.. |
| 11:23.39 | jubo2 | recites "Shukran, shukran, shukran Debian GNU/Linux devels" |
| 11:23.46 | Iridos | Bald0z, there's also dtach, which might or might not be simpler |
| 11:24.55 | jubo2 | now I have a really nub question.. "How do I 'sudo cp' a directory" ( Dolphin says when I use the GUI that it can't move the file because of permissions ) ? |
| 11:24.58 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 11:24.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 11:25.10 | Iridos | 3.3.x is in experimental and he asks which one is "stable"? |
| 11:25.12 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 11:25.50 | bittin | Iridos, it still seems stable enough for daily use |
| 11:26.05 | bittin | 3.3.0-rc6-powerpc |
| 11:26.16 | bittin | but not changing to trunk then |
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| 11:27.46 | nsadmin | also, aren't kernels in the x.odd.y numbering considered experimental or at least in development? |
| 11:28.04 | Iridos | what's wrong with 3.2.0 |
| 11:28.09 | Iridos | or is this a bad case of SNS? |
| 11:29.17 | nsadmin | bittin, aha. so you've tested it extensively? |
| 11:29.20 | bittin | Iridos, dunno i like being bleeding edge if it works |
| 11:29.23 | bittin | nsadmin, hmm? |
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| 11:29.54 | nsadmin | you say "seems stable enough for daily use"... what data do you have to back that statement up? |
| 11:30.17 | bittin | if it starts Xorg and the apps i use iam happy :p |
| 11:30.33 | bittin | anyways iam off, cya later |
| 11:30.35 | Iridos | nsadmin, it's just SNS... |
| 11:31.05 | nsadmin | yes... and I'm still giving him (not s or n but) S! |
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| 11:31.52 | Iridos | you're not in #d-o anymore, btw? |
| 11:32.20 | nsadmin | me? |
| 11:32.23 | Iridos | yeah |
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| 11:32.31 | Iridos | I would add another comment, but not here :) |
| 11:33.03 | nsadmin | #d-o, forgot what the o os |
| 11:33.06 | nsadmin | is |
| 11:33.34 | Iridos | o as in offtopic |
| 11:33.42 | nsadmin | oh, not right now |
| 11:34.23 | Iridos | o as in oh not right now |
| 11:34.24 | Iridos | o as in ok |
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| 11:36.39 | Fluggs | Dulak: when enabling fcgid: http://pastebin.com/ExWt095q |
| 11:36.59 | nsadmin | there seems to be something up with you right now, and I'm curious, what exactly is going on? |
| 11:37.22 | Dulak | Fluggs: something is messed up, you show the package installed but the file is missing... |
| 11:38.01 | Dulak | Fluggs: this was working with fast-cgi before you changed things or you were trying to use fast-cgi for the first time? |
| 11:38.03 | nsadmin | I'll be there in a sec... |
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| 11:38.16 | Fluggs | Dulak: i don't know |
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| 11:38.46 | Lint | are there programs to prewiew a console fong (bitmap one)? |
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| 11:40.11 | Fluggs | Dulak: i did a backup btw |
| 11:40.24 | Fluggs | the error was yesterday |
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| 11:40.54 | Fluggs | and i did a backup from 12/04/04, i think |
| 11:41.10 | Fluggs | at that time, the server went well |
| 11:41.27 | Fluggs | so it's very confusing that the backup doesn't |
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| 11:42.27 | Dulak | Fluggs: not sure what to tell you man, it's definitely broken for fast-cgi. Worst case you comment out that fastcgi config stuff and run without that site for now until you figure it out |
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| 11:42.59 | nsadmin | and cgi, fast or not is wayyyyy yesterday's petunias... |
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| 11:43.18 | nsadmin | where yesterday == 1998 :) |
| 11:43.33 | xfire78xx | giorno :) |
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| 11:47.07 | Fluggs | Dulak: when running a2enmod to enable fcgid, it seemed to be disabled |
| 11:47.35 | Fluggs | as it said "Enabling module fcgid." |
| 11:47.52 | Dulak | Fluggs: Yes I think that's normal, it lists them all and lets you enable already enabled mods. It's a very simple script, nothing fancy |
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| 11:49.29 | nsadmin | if you can't enable the disabled, does that mean you can only enable the enabled? |
| 11:49.57 | Fluggs | Dulak: but when i ran a2enmod a second time to enable fcgid, it said that it is already enabled |
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| 11:50.18 | notze | hey guys i just updated and got : Vorbereitung zum Ersetzen von linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-41 (durch .../linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-41squeeze2_amd64.deb |
| 11:50.29 | Dulak | I haven't run apache in like 8 years man, I just felt sorry for you getting bounced around from channel to channel. |
| 11:50.34 | notze | where can i check that a new kernel is release and that it will replaced? |
| 11:50.40 | Fluggs | ahh, okay :D |
| 11:51.49 | notze | Inst linux-base [2.6.32-41] (2.6.32-41squeeze2 Debian-Security:6.0/stable [all]) is it this ? |
| 11:52.00 | nsadmin | notze, can't read german |
| 11:52.12 | notze | prpeparing update |
| 11:52.14 | notze | is it |
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| 11:56.07 | nsadmin | what is it you want to do? was there a problem? |
| 11:57.37 | xbix | i know what hi want. hi want ask something but i don`t understand what about |
| 11:57.57 | nsadmin | what do you want? |
| 11:58.05 | nsadmin | start with that |
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| 11:59.08 | kleanchap | How do I install Adobe Flash on my Debian system? |
| 11:59.30 | nsadmin | it's in non-free |
| 11:59.54 | nsadmin | , versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:59.56 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 12:00.21 | kleanchap | Are there any instructions on how to install it? All I am finding is flash plugin non-free....but no clear instructions. |
| 12:00.22 | Lint | are there programs to prewiew a console fong (bitmap one)? |
| 12:00.41 | nsadmin | try just installing the package |
| 12:01.09 | jelly | !tell kleanchap about non-free sources |
| 12:01.10 | nsadmin | xbix, start with what you want... explain that first |
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| 12:02.00 | xbix | nsadmin: i dont want anything. i said about notze question |
| 12:02.10 | kleanchap | jelly, Thnx |
| 12:02.25 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 12:03.25 | MarKsaitis | can I directly upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 12:03.38 | mjt | MarKsaitis: that's the plan at least |
| 12:03.54 | MarKsaitis | can I do it now? |
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| 12:03.55 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, yes, they're adjacent |
| 12:04.07 | mjt | modulo the bugs yes you can |
| 12:04.10 | nsadmin | what has you wanting wheezy? |
| 12:04.19 | taxman | yeah, that's a one-way ticket -- Nine Muses |
| 12:04.28 | taxman | s/a/an |
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| 12:04.33 | nsadmin | oh, good point. |
| 12:04.34 | MarKsaitis | I want newer tryton in there |
| 12:04.40 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, back up first. |
| 12:04.45 | MarKsaitis | I have openvz with debian 6. i want to upgrade |
| 12:04.56 | MarKsaitis | empty server, nothing to back up now |
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| 12:05.09 | MarKsaitis | should we test it out? |
| 12:05.37 | taxman | if you like to try bleeding-edge packages, you should use a distro with rolling release |
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| 12:05.57 | taxman | such as, gentoo or netbsd |
| 12:06.17 | nsadmin | nothing in /home even? |
| 12:06.21 | MarKsaitis | taxman, ;] |
| 12:06.44 | MarKsaitis | \/join #gentoo |
| 12:06.46 | MarKsaitis | woops |
| 12:07.00 | taxman | ubuntu is like debian |
| 12:07.03 | nsadmin | as taxman indicates, this upgrade is one-way since debian does not and will not ever support downgrades |
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| 12:07.16 | jelly | nsadmin: then again, which distro does |
| 12:07.30 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 12:07.58 | xbix | taxman: but testing debian is more stable then ubuntu release |
| 12:08.05 | DaveNull | jelly, Arch does, afaik |
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| 12:08.18 | eugenmayer | what would be the apt-get "downgrade" syntax to downgrad libc6 to 2.11.3-2 with libc6-i686 and libc6-bin |
| 12:08.21 | taxman | sure. ubuntu is for dummies |
| 12:08.50 | eugenmayer | xbix: on servers? Yes. On clients? no. |
| 12:08.59 | nsadmin | eugenmayer, that sounds to me like an extreme action... what has you interested? |
| 12:09.23 | eugenmayer | nsadmin: installing ruby1.8-dev which is, on squeeze, depending on libc6 ..-3 |
| 12:09.29 | eugenmayer | sorry, -2 |
| 12:09.34 | eugenmayer | while −3 is installed. |
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| 12:10.02 | eugenmayer | nsadmin: i have no idea how this ever happend. Now frankendebian, no backports. Its on all my servers. |
| 12:10.33 | nsadmin | ohman... do you have backups? |
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| 12:11.14 | eugenmayer | you mean me? No need, i have done this downgrade on 10 servers already, but i want to automate this |
| 12:11.25 | eugenmayer | i need ruby1.8-dev for my chef-client |
| 12:11.32 | eugenmayer | (boostraping it) |
| 12:11.49 | nsadmin | then you need ruby 1.8 itself |
| 12:12.00 | eugenmayer | you need both |
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| 12:12.09 | eugenmayer | ruby and ruby-dev |
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| 12:13.09 | ChrisH | Given I want to rollout an openvpn config with deb-depenedies and several extra files using a debian package. No compiling needed. Where do I find a howto? |
| 12:13.12 | eugenmayer | downgrade? |
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| 12:13.47 | sunbeam | How can I change the server I use to resolve DNS? I'd like to use/set it to 8.8.8.8 (google) |
| 12:13.50 | sunbeam | Is this recommendable? |
| 12:14.01 | MarKsaitis | anyways. im on debian 6 64bi. How do I perform full update and then upgrade to wheezy or wheely, whatever is called? |
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| 12:14.38 | eugenmayer | sunbeam: vim /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 12:14.39 | ChrisH | sunbeam: quick version vi /etc/resolv.conf might collide witrh Network manager or simialr |
| 12:15.09 | nsadmin | sunbeam, no, saddling google with your dns traffic is ok for once or twice, but not permanently... you would be better off running your own caching-only dns |
| 12:15.40 | sunbeam | nsadmin: ok |
| 12:15.49 | ChrisH | sunbeam: why do you no longer want to use the previous one? |
| 12:15.49 | sunbeam | nsadmin: why it is not ok for long term? |
| 12:16.01 | nsadmin | because google is not yours |
| 12:16.38 | sunbeam | ok, but if i would use my own one.. that would mean this one simply gets it from my ISP directly, right? |
| 12:16.44 | sunbeam | (before it is cached of course) |
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| 12:17.13 | MarKsaitis | im on debian 6 64bi. How do I perform full update and then upgrade to wheezy or wheely, whatever is called? |
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| 12:17.15 | ChrisH | sunbeam: ACK |
| 12:17.15 | guk | if you use your ISP's DNS you get a few wins on small things |
| 12:17.18 | xbix | MarKsaitis: make backup if you want. then replace squeeze to wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:17.22 | guk | most larger ISP's have a google cache searver |
| 12:17.30 | guk | and if your not using your ISP's DNS you won't be redirected too it |
| 12:17.36 | nsadmin | not necessarily. if you install a dns server (and point your machines in your net at it), the server will make queries for you |
| 12:17.49 | guk | I know we got 4 of em here, so if you use someone elses DNS you bypass the local cache and have to get all your datas on the internets |
| 12:17.56 | nsadmin | it may or may not use your ISP |
| 12:18.06 | sunbeam | I own a few dedicated debian servers.. Is installing / configuring such DNS server hard? |
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| 12:18.28 | guk | if you don't plan on doing anything other then resoving DNS for your hosts apt-get install bind should pretty much get you going |
| 12:18.29 | nsadmin | no, just install bind9 and you're done |
| 12:18.29 | sunbeam | But then again, I don't want to give them unnecessary extra traffic |
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| 12:19.52 | nsadmin | have the dns server on one machine, point all machines at it, then the cache it keeps is added to and benefits from all your macnines |
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| 12:21.44 | abrotman | xbix: that's not correct |
| 12:21.51 | abrotman | !tell MarKsaitis about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 12:22.28 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, im good, already reading dodebian on blogspot |
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| 12:23.36 | boston8372 | ubuntu |
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| 12:24.04 | abrotman | boston8372: wrong channel |
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| 12:24.14 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: uhm, okay .. good luck |
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| 12:24.37 | boston8372 | was looking to trigger that African thing. i am debian thru and thru |
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| 12:25.56 | nsadmin | wait, what did you want to trigger? |
| 12:26.08 | nsadmin | you ended up triggering abrotman :) |
| 12:26.42 | boston8372 | anyone here never try EC2 |
| 12:26.58 | xbix | boston8372: wtf EC2? |
| 12:27.03 | taxman | amazon ec2? |
| 12:27.19 | boston8372 | i'm just saying. straw man give it a kick |
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| 12:27.44 | boston8372 | sometimes i need 20 servers |
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| 12:27.51 | Iridos | not so hard tot trigger abrotman :P |
| 12:28.06 | taxman | people are tend to use ubuntu one and dropbox here |
| 12:28.10 | nsadmin | boston8372, alrightey then :) got a debian support issue to ask about? :) |
| 12:28.18 | taxman | so-called cyberlocket |
| 12:28.25 | Iridos | boston8372, I guess you mean... /msg dpkg literal start a distro war |
| 12:28.45 | boston8372 | huh |
| 12:29.05 | Iridos | with "that african thing" |
| 12:29.06 | Iridos | oh well |
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| 12:30.25 | boston8372 | a slow channel perhaps some folks have never heard of EC2 |
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| 12:30.48 | MarKsaitis | im upgrading, is that any good? http://pastebin.com/YJxczbjD |
| 12:31.04 | MarKsaitis | im upgrading from squezy to wheyzy =) |
| 12:31.40 | xbix | MarKsaitis: show me your uname -a |
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| 12:31.51 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: the bot told you how |
| 12:32.06 | nsadmin | boston8372, initial suspected trolling is now confirmed... this is a debian support channel... perhaps you'd like to comment on ec2 and who knows or doesn't and what channels are slow somewhere else |
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| 12:32.27 | abrotman | pot .. kettle .. |
| 12:32.35 | nsadmin | purple! |
| 12:32.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: HI! |
| 12:32.37 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, dunno what it told, but im following a guide http://dodebian.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/upgrade-guide-edition-2-start.html |
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| 12:32.46 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: you'd do better to follow the bot |
| 12:32.51 | PerfDave | Hello there abrotman |
| 12:33.05 | MarKsaitis | xbix, Linux server 2.6.32-238.19.1.el5.028stab092.2 #1 SMP Thu Jul 21 19:23:22 MSD 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:33.35 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: wait .. you're going to upgrade your *internet-facing* VPS to wheezy, which has 0 security support? |
| 12:34.11 | abrotman | waits for teh FLW quote |
| 12:34.16 | tensorpudding | wheezy is not released yet, you shouldn't be using it |
| 12:34.18 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, yeah =) I only have port 22 open |
| 12:34.26 | taxman | ssh? |
| 12:34.30 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: so you thnik port 22 can't have security issues? |
| 12:34.32 | tensorpudding | it could explode, at any time! |
| 12:34.45 | tensorpudding | it's why they call it testing |
| 12:34.47 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: So what about IP stack vulns in the kernel? :) |
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| 12:35.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: stop with common sense .. jeez |
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| 12:35.18 | abrotman | PerfDave: clearly he's a pro .. |
| 12:35.22 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, I am staying with the same kernel |
| 12:35.25 | boston8372 | actually i use debian on EC2 |
| 12:35.34 | boston8372 | not sure what ya babbling about |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: that doesn't invalidate what he seaid |
| 12:35.49 | abrotman | said |
| 12:35.58 | xbix | boston8372: are you herad about "иди на хуй отсюда и не мешай людям общаться"? |
| 12:36.07 | Woet | runs debian sid on all his production machines |
| 12:36.08 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: So you're going to run testing branch with stable kernel? |
| 12:36.17 | boston8372 | yes i heard about that |
| 12:36.38 | abrotman | PerfDave: it's a VPS |
| 12:36.40 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, well as soon as it will be released, I will upgrade again. i dont store financial info so I am not afraid to stay on testing distro for few months ;] |
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| 12:37.00 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: hte internet thanks you for the spam .. |
| 12:37.02 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, yes, why not, only for a short time |
| 12:37.19 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: short time? how soon is the release coming? |
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| 12:37.45 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, whenever it comes, shouldnt takelong |
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| 12:37.50 | abrotman | hehehe |
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| 12:38.01 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: you must be new to Debian |
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| 12:38.30 | abrotman | Wheezy hasn't even frozen yet .. haven't really heard rumblings about it freezing yet |
| 12:38.37 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, I am not. I have a debian stable server elsewhere for few years now |
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| 12:38.53 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: wheezy likely won't release for at least a year |
| 12:38.55 | PerfDave | Wheezy should freeze in June 2012, so probably release in September if things go smoothly, December if they don't. |
| 12:38.59 | MarKsaitis | a proper server I own connected to 200mbit line I own as well |
| 12:39.08 | abrotman | just one ? |
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| 12:39.25 | boston8372 | i have 20 on EC2 |
| 12:39.25 | abrotman | PerfDave: you're so optimistic .. it's cute :) |
| 12:39.36 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, just one I own myself, and 1 new vps |
| 12:39.53 | PerfDave | abrotman: I've noticed the ftpmasters being more proactive about kicking stuff out of testing that doesn't look like it's being fixed, rather than waiting for the freeze. |
| 12:40.05 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: running testing on any internet facing box is extremely unwise .. it'll likely be compromised |
| 12:40.07 | boston8372 | why build it more than once |
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| 12:40.43 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, im only testing things out =) |
| 12:40.53 | PerfDave | was just looking to see when Perl >=5.12 and Postgres >=9.1 would be in stable :) |
| 12:40.58 | Iridos | PerfDave, note, this one is even CALLED wheezy |
| 12:41.06 | Iridos | might be an omen |
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| 12:42.06 | abrotman | PerfDave: currently 848 RC bugs .. |
| 12:42.30 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: we can't stop you .. good luck . |
| 12:42.36 | jelly | PerlDave? |
| 12:42.38 | Lint | are there programs to prewiew a console fong (bitmap one)? |
| 12:42.41 | PerfDave | They just closed one of mine claiming the package (cgi-irc) was dead upstream, which the upstream author found amusing. |
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| 12:42.46 | nsadmin | tcldave! |
| 12:42.59 | Iridos | wish I could update all my pet bugs to rc status whenever they occur |
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| 12:43.19 | PerfDave | Iridos: Become co-maint on all the packages you've filed bugs against ;) |
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| 12:43.50 | coywolf | hi all |
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| 12:44.08 | xbix | coywolf: привет |
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| 12:44.16 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, im only testing. empty server. takes 1 min to reinstall |
| 12:44.18 | abrotman | xbix: english, last warning |
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| 12:44.30 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: good luck |
| 12:44.40 | coywolf | xbix: can you skype? |
| 12:44.52 | abrotman | PerfDave: FWIW, ajaxterm might be useful to you ? |
| 12:45.03 | xbix | abrotman: ok. sorry. reflex. =) |
| 12:45.16 | PerfDave | abrotman: Thanks, but I have ssh :) |
| 12:45.18 | abrotman | !tell xbix about ru |
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| 12:46.56 | boston8372 | Где туалет? |
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| 12:47.42 | abrotman | boston8372: this channel is english only, please take it somewhere else |
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| 12:51.28 | MarKsaitis | so the fact that this wheezy isnt frozen yet means that I will be able to update my software packages as i go? |
| 12:51.35 | MarKsaitis | until its frozen? |
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| 12:51.58 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, within the limitation of what's put out for it |
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| 12:52.18 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, what would you like to test about it? |
| 12:52.30 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, that's kinda a weird question... I'm not sure we understand what it means |
| 12:53.07 | nsadmin | if you end up finding problems, the maints would appreciate heads-ups |
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| 12:53.47 | MarKsaitis | well. Lets say we have company A which releases soft A. Updates it, add new features and bigfixes every month. When a distro freezes, we do not get these things do we. But since it isnt frozen, I will be able to update my distro and get a newer package, no? |
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| 12:54.35 | cyberbob | hi all Can i install fresh debian 6.0.4 6rbit with raiser fs as centos don't have raiserfs support while fresh instllation |
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| 12:54.52 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, let's additionally say company A reports changes downstream and invites downstream to update from upstream |
| 12:54.53 | MarKsaitis | for example, I may have version 1 of software A on my wheezy today. By the time wheezy will freeze, that software package in it will be 1.2 or something, is that not right? |
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| 12:55.07 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, that depends on who maintains the package and how quickly he packages a new version |
| 12:55.27 | cyberbob | or same snereo with the debian ? |
| 12:56.04 | MarKsaitis | Iridos, nsadmin I have noticed that majority of software in frozen distributions stays the same version ALL THE TIME and never gets updated - thats a real life situation |
| 12:56.21 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, nobody gets paid for packaging, so it's a bit difficult to withhold their pay if they don't package something in a timely manner :P Someone else might jump in and package a new version though, if he cares enough |
| 12:56.28 | nsadmin | well that's what frozen means :) |
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| 12:58.07 | MarKsaitis | Iridos, it' not about the reasons for these things, it's about the reality. In theory everybody says that stuff is updated in stable distros etc bla bla bla, I noticed that it is completelly not the case in real life. Stable distro turns in to an old piece of garbage within a year with out of date software packages |
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| 12:59.20 | Bald0z | MarKsaitis, no one says everybody is updated inside stable distros. |
| 12:59.28 | Bald0z | it's totally the opposite, actually |
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| 12:59.36 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, that's kinda the definition of "stable" as used... if stuff is ever-changing, how could you call it stable? Squeeze is "stable" and that means no new versions get in. Security bugs are fixed by applying patches, but no new features are allowed |
| 12:59.38 | Bald0z | everybody says that stable distros have old packages |
| 12:59.41 | Iridos | dpkg, tell MarKsaitis about stable |
| 12:59.48 | PerfDave | Stable distros are stable, i.e. unchanging, except for security updates. That's the point. |
| 12:59.59 | MarKsaitis | so how come it's stable but having out of date software with bugs and olf versions =) |
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| 13:00.28 | Bald0z | out of date software actually means stable, usually |
| 13:00.29 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, even the bugs are stable... if you fix too many minor bugs, you inadvertedly introduce new ones |
| 13:00.37 | MarKsaitis | Iridos, well, you can call a newer soft stable whenever the software developers say that this piece of soft is now stable =) |
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| 13:00.45 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, right, stable is not ever updated except for very important bug fixes. This is what is meant by stable. |
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| 13:01.07 | Lint | are there programs to prewiew a console fong (bitmap one)? |
| 13:01.37 | Bald0z | I was thinking like you , MarKsaitis , at first. but try to see the full picture, a stable "distro" has old packages but well tested by lot of people |
| 13:01.37 | nsadmin | this is the second time I've heard mention of a "console fong".... what's that? |
| 13:01.38 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, but we talk of the distribution as a whole. And that's not stable anymore if stuff keeps changing all the time |
| 13:01.49 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, because changes need constant attention |
| 13:02.07 | Bald0z | and there's the evil regression in every bug-fix effort |
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| 13:02.53 | babilen | Lint: Are you thinking of something like xfontsel or gnome-specimen? |
| 13:02.57 | MarKsaitis | lets say you have a calculator V1. Your distro is frozen, but the company has released calculator V2 stable. Why on earth that company should keep developing if we will not be able to use it's soft for the next 3 or 5 years until we get a new frozen distro? Even though calculator V2 is stable |
| 13:03.00 | Bald0z | also, I think that "core" features of a software are present in early releases. with later and newer releases, you get new features, that normally are not needed |
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| 13:03.23 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, so the whole thing is stopped at one point. Everyone who sees a minor bug that is really annoying fixes it on his own system with the safe knowledge that it stays fixed until he upgrades to the next stable version |
| 13:03.23 | Bald0z | it is not the programmer who can say it's stable |
| 13:03.31 | Lint | babilen, they are for truetype fonts |
| 13:03.42 | nsadmin | Bald0z, it's the tester |
| 13:03.46 | babilen | MarKsaitis: You are conflating two senses of "stable" here. Debian's definition of it (i.e. unchanging) has nothing to do with the other (i.e. working, bug-free, ...) |
| 13:03.48 | Lint | but something similar, yes |
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| 13:04.02 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: You're arguing against the fundemental way that Debian does releases. The way Debian does releases is a good thing, and it's why many people use Debian. If you don't like it, use another distro. |
| 13:04.08 | Bald0z | yeah babilen got the point |
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| 13:04.15 | Bald0z | two different "stable" concepts here |
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| 13:04.39 | Bald0z | one is software-package point of view, the other is distro point of view |
| 13:04.48 | MarKsaitis | babilen, well if its working and bug-free, is that not about what we should care? working + bug-free = ready to use |
| 13:04.54 | Bald0z | I like debian "stable" point of view |
| 13:04.55 | Iridos | Bald0z, well, programmers of a software can of course do that... but if a distro would then rip out the older "unstable" version to replace it with the programmers "stable" one, stuff people just got working/fixed with that version would behave differently... and they would need to figure things out again |
| 13:04.59 | babilen | Lint: Hmm -- Doesn't xfontsel work for bitmap fonts as well? I guess you can use fontforge, but that might be overkill. |
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| 13:05.22 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: So you upgrade software A to its new stable release, and then software B which links into its libraries breaks. |
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| 13:05.48 | PerfDave | Anyway, there's no point discussing this. Debian isn't going to change its release process just because MarKsaitis says so. |
| 13:05.55 | jelly | MarKsaitis: it's a common scenario to use Debian stable as a platform, and put a very small amount of newer software on it |
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| 13:06.12 | PerfDave | jelly: Or just to use Debian stable because newer != better ;) |
| 13:06.22 | babilen | MarKsaitis: No -- A stable release is about *unchanging* behaviour. People use systems in production and want to be completely sure that their behaviour does not change for as long as the system is supported. We try very hard to *also* make sure that stable (in Debian's sense) releases are bug-free though. |
| 13:06.28 | Iridos | MarKsaitis, the distro is there for all its users, not for the developers of a single software, who are assumed to be able to make their own arrangements for their software |
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| 13:06.41 | Bald0z | PerfDave, just trying to explain to MarKsaitis the reasons behind the release process... |
| 13:07.11 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, is there a distro which can keep multiple libraries with different versions for backwards compatibility so other crap doesnt break? Or is there a distro which has stable core and ability to install any kind of apps on it - like the iphone handles it =) |
| 13:07.31 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, how much are you going to pay those developers? |
| 13:07.32 | babilen | MarKsaitis: You might like any of the BSDs |
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| 13:07.36 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: You can't install any kind of apps on an iPhone, just the ones that Apple lets you. |
| 13:07.40 | abrotman | hi, #debian .. |
| 13:07.47 | babilen | hehe |
| 13:07.57 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Dbeian does exactly that - it keeps multiple versions of many libraries for compatibility. |
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| 13:08.52 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, well, think about it. You have same ios there, but you can install calculator V2 today and upgrade to calculator V3 tomorrow - no hassle =) same with all soft on it. |
| 13:09.05 | Iridos | hi abrotman, do you have a question? :D |
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| 13:09.11 | MarKsaitis | nsadmin, well, pay isnt my problem is it |
| 13:09.13 | babilen | MarKsaitis: It might help if you would actually tell us what you want. We are probably able to provide better support if there is an actual problem that you'd like to see fixed. |
| 13:09.29 | Bald0z | MarKsaitis, I am giving up explaining debian if your OS of comparison is iOS. sorry for that. |
| 13:09.35 | DelTree | MarKsaitis: if you're an iphone fan... then just go away and, please, die asap... |
| 13:09.37 | tdn | I am co-author on a free Python framework for rapid application development that I would like to have included in Debian. We already maintain our own debian and ubuntu packages, but it would be nice to get them included in the Debian packages. I am willing to be the package maintainer. What is the process for this? Where do I start? |
| 13:09.39 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, so debian keeps libraries? you just said stuff would break because of a new library :D |
| 13:09.58 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: You can install any apps you like on your Debian system. But the distro doesn't provide packages in the way you're asking for, and never will. |
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| 13:10.02 | babilen | DelTree: That was uncalled for and not healthy for the community. |
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| 13:10.04 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Do you know how ELF linking works? |
| 13:10.13 | abrotman | !tell tdn about nmg |
| 13:10.14 | MarKsaitis | DelTree, no im not. I just gave an example =) |
| 13:10.21 | jelly | PerfDave: I don't have many production machines that run pure stable. |
| 13:10.24 | abrotman | !tell tdn about dm |
| 13:10.28 | PerfDave | jelly: I do :) |
| 13:10.30 | MarKsaitis | I am a fan of whatever works good |
| 13:10.36 | abrotman | tdn: alternately, you can find a sponsor in the channel the bot is about to give you |
| 13:10.37 | DelTree | MarKsaitis: it's just anything but an example... |
| 13:10.39 | Bald0z | debian stable does. really ! |
| 13:10.42 | abrotman | !tell tdn about mentors |
| 13:10.51 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, I dont know what ELF is |
| 13:11.01 | tdn | abrotman, thanks. |
| 13:11.03 | Bald0z | works good != has all of it's software packages updated to lastest version |
| 13:11.08 | abrotman | tdn: the -mentors channel is probably a great place to start |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | tdn: note it's on OFTC |
| 13:11.23 | abrotman | works well ? |
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| 13:11.44 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Fine. What you're proposing does not scale to tens of thousands of package-managed applications and libraries in a tested, coherent distribution. If you don't understand the way libraries, linkers and loaders work, you'll just have to take our word for it. |
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| 13:12.13 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Debian does not do what you're asking it to do. It will not change the way it works for you, because it works the way it does for very good reasons. |
| 13:12.25 | abrotman | or use static binaries |
| 13:12.40 | Bald0z | only problem with debian stable is when you need a new feature of a software that's not included in debian stable. but no one stops you from downloading software source and compiling it. sometimes you even don't need that, gentle people make backports. |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | or you can make your own backport package |
| 13:13.11 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, (a) it might be if you have a desire for something specific you wish to accomplish. (b) this is going back and forth and round and round... fun... and, better discussed somewhere like #debian-offtopic. one thing to note, is this discussion and thousands like it in many forms are archived for your research pleasure. You're invited to check that out, and reminded they have already occured. |
| 13:13.26 | babilen | MarKsaitis: I can only repeat it again: Please let us know if you have an actual problem you'd like to see fixed. It is much easier to support you and provide sensible advice if we know what your problem really is. |
| 13:14.15 | nsadmin | and support is what's on topic |
| 13:14.30 | MarKsaitis | babilen, thank you =) |
| 13:14.51 | tdn | abrotman, great, thanks. |
| 13:15.13 | MarKsaitis | why debian developers dont have + or op here? It is very hard to know which ones are you |
| 13:15.39 | MarKsaitis | so, is building a new custom .deb called backporting? |
| 13:15.40 | nsadmin | why is that important? |
| 13:16.12 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: No, backporting is compiling a source package from a more recent branch against an older branch. |
| 13:16.16 | babilen | !tell MarKsaitis -about backport |
| 13:16.22 | nsadmin | no, taking an already composed package and building it on a different dist (to be linked with available libs) is backporting |
| 13:16.26 | MarKsaitis | nsadmin, in general. As babilen and other said, I can always tell devs if I have found a serious reproducable bug in testing |
| 13:16.37 | karlpinc | MarKsaitis: See the <overview> factoid for ways of getting "other", including newer, software into debian stable -- as a user. (Type "/msg dpkg overview" into your irc client.) |
| 13:16.43 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: That's why Debian has a Bug Tracking System, that's not what IRC is for. |
| 13:16.46 | MarKsaitis | babilen, ok understood |
| 13:16.56 | nsadmin | yes, you can. and this communication is best conducted on the |
| 13:17.01 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 13:17.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 13:17.53 | abrotman | so full of fail .. |
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| 13:18.36 | nsadmin | that's the nature of a bug tracking system :) |
| 13:18.44 | MarKsaitis | No LSB modules are available. |
| 13:18.45 | MarKsaitis | when i did lsb_release on wheezy =) |
| 13:18.52 | babilen | MarKsaitis: There are also ways to get other ways to get newer versions into Debian stable (and thereby destablizing it ;) -- The means to do so depends on the actual packages you'd like to see upgraded. It is also an option to track testing or unstable. All of these approaches have their merits and problems and it is unclear what the best solution is for you. So: What do *you* want and what do you expect us to do? |
| 13:19.16 | karlpinc | MarKsaitis: Who knows. wheezy breaks. That's why it's called testing. |
| 13:19.33 | babilen | It also has no security support |
| 13:19.44 | babilen | Anyway -- This is getting nowhere. |
| 13:19.59 | nsadmin | back n forth n round n round |
| 13:20.19 | MarKsaitis | im only testing as I said =) |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | on the internet ... |
| 13:20.45 | babilen | !tell rdn -about rfs |
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| 13:21.07 | karlpinc | MarKsaitis: If you want to help with debian testing go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org. They will expect you to have read the bug reports. |
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| 13:21.22 | MarKsaitis | makes no diff to me =) I dont think somebody will scan my open ports in the next hour and will be able to use "yet to exist" exploits for that testing soft |
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| 13:22.05 | MarKsaitis | is wheezy using upstart? |
| 13:22.19 | MarKsaitis | or planning to? |
| 13:22.26 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Why do you care? |
| 13:22.38 | babilen | MarKsaitis: Severe security bugs might already have been fixed in stable and unstable while they still remain open for a long time in testing. If this doesn't concern you: Fail enough. |
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| 13:22.41 | MarKsaitis | im just interested, as ubuntu is migrating there |
| 13:22.45 | babilen | *Fair |
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| 13:23.09 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: Debian is using a different system |
| 13:23.19 | abrotman | last tim ei tried upstart, the box didn't boot |
| 13:23.40 | babilen | And it is still very much undecided which init system will be used in Debian in the future. |
| 13:23.54 | MarKsaitis | babilen, ok. I have port 22 open on new wheezy' sshd . For somebody to exploit me, I would need to have a bug in sshd right? |
| 13:24.12 | babilen | MarKsaitis: Yes |
| 13:24.15 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, yeah i know its sysv |
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| 13:24.46 | MarKsaitis | babilen, so, I suppose shd in wheezy is stable version isnt it? |
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| 13:26.39 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: That depends on what you mean by "stable version". |
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| 13:27.00 | PerfDave | It's not the Debian stable version. There's no reason why it would be the OpenSSH upstream version. |
| 13:27.13 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, stable software version - all working no bugs |
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| 13:27.21 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:27.33 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 13:27.34 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 13:27.42 | sunbeam | I don't see an option to disconnect with filezilla |
| 13:27.45 | sunbeam | any idea how i can do this? |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | he must be new to debian .. |
| 13:27.51 | abrotman | sunbeam: close the window ? |
| 13:27.57 | sunbeam | nvm |
| 13:27.58 | sunbeam | yea |
| 13:28.01 | sunbeam | or ctrl-d |
| 13:28.25 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, i ment stable as in software itself, not the distro. Dont confuse yourself :) |
| 13:28.34 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: There's no such thing as software with no bugs. |
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| 13:28.54 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, ok then, software with all known bugs fixed then, hows that |
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| 13:29.13 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Check the BTS, the package changelog, the upstream BTS and the upstream changelog |
| 13:29.20 | babilen | MarKsaitis: No bugs? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=openssh-server -- But *please* all I am saying is that testing does not receive *any* security support from us. That means that fixes for potentially severe exploits will have been fixed in stable and unstable whereas it might take a long time for them to make it into testing. |
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| 13:31.29 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: it's the same definition, don't confuse yourself |
| 13:31.32 | MarKsaitis | babilen, so why a new distro doesnt take a stable core soft like openssh? |
| 13:31.44 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, it may well be |
| 13:32.01 | babilen | MarKsaitis: What is "a stable core soft" ? |
| 13:32.12 | MarKsaitis | I only dotn understand which version of openssh-server is it on that bugs page |
| 13:32.13 | abrotman | sunbeam: i haven't used it in a bit .. i recall there's a computer with an X through it in the tool bar? |
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| 13:32.41 | abrotman | smells osmething funny .. |
| 13:32.41 | babilen | MarKsaitis: It's the newest one (i.e. the one in unstable -- the latest upstream released that has been packaged) |
| 13:32.57 | MarKsaitis | babilen, I suppose a core soft is something what is a critical part of the system, like this openssh soft, kernel, core libs, other core deamons |
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| 13:34.00 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: ssh isn't a critical part of the system |
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| 13:34.48 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, I agree. Ok it isnt critical, but it is critical in a sense of usage as completelly everybody want to use it and it needs to be operational |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | thinks this is beyond Debian |
| 13:35.20 | nsadmin | has been for the last hour at least |
| 13:35.30 | babilen | MarKsaitis: Just to give you a *very* short overview of how Debian works: 1. Packages with new upstream versions are uploaded to unstable 2. These packages transition to testing after being quarantined for ~10 days *unless* bugs of a certain priority have been filed against them. 3. Testing is frozen and we try to fix *all* remaining bugs higher than a specific priority 4. Once there are no (or very few) bugs we release the set of software as the ... |
| 13:35.30 | MarKsaitis | it is beyound in a sense that it's not maintained by debian, but it isnt beyond in a sense that we are just talking about it as an example in the case |
| 13:35.36 | babilen | ... next (unchanging) stable release. 5. Rinse and repeat |
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| 13:36.19 | nsadmin | he's refusing to stop, or more correctly ignoring requests to stop and feigning ignorance |
| 13:36.48 | educr0w | thinks is a arch user looking for debian problems to be happy with arch |
| 13:37.17 | sunbeam | in virtualbox, sometimes, when i mount 3 directories from my windows 7 host to my debian squeeze guest. There is no content in the directories mounted. Any clue how come? |
| 13:37.23 | nsadmin | can a problem be happy with an arch? |
| 13:37.25 | MarKsaitis | babilen, I understand that =) so when you choose latest unstable openssh for the new upcoming release, how do you know that this piece of software will be fixed and stable when you are going to release the distro? |
| 13:37.48 | MarKsaitis | sunbeam, checked permissions? |
| 13:38.04 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: "fixed and stable" meaning what exactly? |
| 13:38.05 | ChibaPet | MarKsaitis: things don't go straight from unstable to stable, they go through testing first |
| 13:38.14 | babilen | MarKsaitis: Because the version in testing has either no serious bugs filed against it or these bugs have been fixed before the release? |
| 13:38.15 | cbmuser | anyone knows what could be the reason why GDM_LANG is not set during login? |
| 13:38.27 | cbmuser | using Debian Wheezy/GDM3 |
| 13:38.46 | c0rnel | MarKsaitis, have you installed wheezy? |
| 13:38.55 | educr0w | nsadmin: archlinux, I've read on internet that archlinux had many packages from debian repo, maybe he wants to know when is going to be available some package |
| 13:38.55 | ChibaPet | MarKsaitis: And before testing becomes stable, there is a freeze during which new versions reaching unstable aren't moved to testing. |
| 13:39.37 | MarKsaitis | babilen, so if debian 7 is gonna be realeased after 10 months, when you choose openssh, you know that this piece of soft is gonna be stable with no bugs as well before the distro release? |
| 13:39.43 | sunbeam | MarKsaitis: what should i check about perms? |
| 13:39.45 | babilen | MarKsaitis: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/10/18/understanding-debians-release-process/ |
| 13:39.50 | MarKsaitis | c0rnel, yes I did. Works just fine =) |
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| 13:40.05 | c0rnel | MarKsaitis, have you met the firmware problem? |
| 13:40.18 | c0rnel | MarKsaitis, if yes, how did you fix it? |
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| 13:40.47 | MarKsaitis | sunbeam, on windows, allow full access to everyone for that folder |
| 13:41.03 | sunbeam | ok i don't think that will change anything |
| 13:41.05 | sunbeam | but I will check |
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| 13:41.36 | MarKsaitis | c0rnel, dont think I met this one yet =) |
| 13:41.48 | c0rnel | MarKsaitis, ok, thnx :) |
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| 13:42.12 | c0rnel | i can't get the installer to load the (compressed) firmware from usb stick |
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| 13:42.36 | c0rnel | i can mount the stick by hand, but the installer still doesn't look interested in what's there :) |
| 13:42.52 | PerfDave | c0rnel: Installing wheezy? Try asking #debian-next |
| 13:43.14 | dvs | on oftc |
| 13:43.48 | babilen | Corey: You have to either unpack the firmware tar.gz to the stick or copy the /lib/firmware into place manually, or just place the .debs directly on the stick IIRC |
| 13:43.48 | c0rnel | PerfDave, seems to be invite-only :) |
| 13:43.59 | c0rnel | PerfDave, thank you |
| 13:44.05 | babilen | Corey: Sorry, ENICK |
| 13:44.12 | dvs | heh |
| 13:44.13 | babilen | c0rnel: ^^^ |
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| 13:44.21 | babilen | !tell c0rnel -about firmware image |
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| 13:44.43 | babilen | curses c0rnel's eLiTe "name" ;) |
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| 13:45.02 | c0rnel | i've even tried the cd's that supposedly have the non-free firmware. they still want to laod the firmware from removable devices, and fail, and as a bonus, they don't have the modules of the installer kernel |
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| 13:45.37 | c0rnel | babilen, thank you, i'll try that |
| 13:45.46 | babilen | c0rnel: How do you create the USB stick and which image do you use? |
| 13:45.58 | c0rnel | babilen, i install from cd |
| 13:46.06 | c0rnel | netinst |
| 13:46.12 | MarKsaitis | is there a distro which treats hardware controlling and technical backends different as opposed to the applications which are met and consumed by the user? |
| 13:46.14 | c0rnel | the wheezy daily build from today |
| 13:46.16 | babilen | c0rnel: Which image do you use? (exactly) |
| 13:46.18 | c0rnel | babilen, ^ |
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| 13:46.37 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Sounds like a question for ##linux |
| 13:47.02 | c0rnel | babilen, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:47.16 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, not neceserilly, there might be a debian fork I dont know off =) I mean iphone works this way doesnt it. |
| 13:47.22 | babilen | c0rnel: I would strongly recommend to *not* use a potentially broken and untested debian-installer, but the stable version of the *installer*. (The testing installer is not meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer) -- I would furthermore recommend to install squeeze (minimal) first and take it from there. |
| 13:47.23 | c0rnel | when trying the "free-firmware" installer |
| 13:47.31 | ChibaPet | So, other than source or on-disk configs, can someone recommend an overview of policykit? |
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| 13:47.49 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: No, that's not how the iPhone works. And ##linux would be the better place for that question. |
| 13:47.55 | c0rnel | babilen, thank you very much |
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| 13:48.16 | ChibaPet | and.... the same, for consolekit? |
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| 13:48.30 | babilen | c0rnel: The dailies/weeklies are not really a priority right now and they may very well be completely broken. If you need a newer kernel *during the installation* you can get a stable debian-installer with firmware and newer kernel images from kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
| 13:48.42 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, well in a sense, iphone doesnt care about al that stuff, you upgrade any app whenever you want |
| 13:48.47 | babilen | c0rnel: And yeah: Follow up support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 13:49.25 | c0rnel | babilen, ok |
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| 13:50.25 | sunbeam | when i type 'mount' i see none of the vbox windows 7 host shared folders appear there. how can I make this possible that those are mounted ? |
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| 13:52.01 | intore_ | hi, i installed an ldap server in debian squeeze server. am inserting the account in the directory. with pam is possible to create the home directory of an user at the first login. i want that every user has in his profile mozilla and openoffice calc and writer. how do i have to modify /etc/skel? |
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| 13:53.06 | MarKsaitis | babilen, who is package maintainer for tryton on debian? And why is he not upgrading this package to 2.2? |
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| 13:53.54 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Applications are not part of the iOS operating system, so it's not the same thing at all. |
| 13:53.56 | ksk | MarKsaitis: ask packages.debian.org |
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| 13:54.23 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, thats what im saying. it's a good point that apps are not part of the system, isnt it |
| 13:54.31 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: No |
| 13:54.51 | ksk | :) |
| 13:55.02 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: If you want that, go install iOS on your server ;) |
| 13:55.06 | MarKsaitis | and why not? |
| 13:55.29 | c0rnel | babilen, as you've said, unpacking the archive into usb stick worked! thank you very much |
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| 13:55.50 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: I use Debian because I benefit from Debian's quality assurance on every bit of software I use. I know they're going to work, and they're going to work together. |
| 13:56.09 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: If you want a system where there's no QA on the apps, sounds like you want FreeBSD |
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| 13:57.19 | ansgar | MarKsaitis: Try drawing a clear line between "system" and "apps" first. Just doing that is not that easy. |
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| 13:57.42 | MarKsaitis | well, PerfDave, I want you to explain me why it is not good that apps are not a part of the main system as I dont understand why is it bad |
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| 13:58.42 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, PerfDave, on #debian-offtopic please |
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| 13:59.25 | MarKsaitis | so anyways http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/tryton-modules-all I cant see who maintains that package |
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| 14:00.06 | nsadmin | , mainttryton-modules-all |
| 14:00.16 | nsadmin | , maint tryton-modules-all |
| 14:00.16 | judd | Package tryton-modules-all version 15 was uploaded by Mathias Behrle on 2011-05-25, last changed by Mathias Behrle and maintained by Debian Tryton Maintainers. |
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| 14:00.35 | ansgar | MarKsaitis: It's written on the right side. But 2.2 seems to be in testing/unstable. |
| 14:00.47 | ksk | MarKsaitis: "developer information" |
| 14:00.49 | ksk | not too hard :P |
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| 14:02.56 | lapsusbrutus | guys, installed lxde on a minimal debian, but wireless isnt working. wireless card works, but the gui doesnt (installed wicd). Anyone have an idea what could be wrong? wicd seems to not finding the wlan interface |
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| 14:03.30 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, lspci -nn |
| 14:03.40 | nsadmin | and look for the line describing your wireless |
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| 14:03.44 | lapsusbrutus | wireless cards work well, and can iwlist scan, etc |
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| 14:04.03 | nsadmin | this has nothing at all to do with x, graphics, lxde or anything like that |
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| 14:04.24 | MarKsaitis | ansgar, well mabye 2.2 is unstable testing, but 2.0 is definatelly stable, but it is not being package for ubuntu squeeze for some reason |
| 14:04.36 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: AR5212/AR5213 |
| 14:04.42 | boston8372 | MarKsaitis: i love this quote from twitter, mae me think of you "Everyone thinks their opinion matters. Don't argue with a nobody. A farmer doesn't bother telling a pig his breath smells like shit." |
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| 14:05.06 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, the whole line from lspci -nn (only the one line) |
| 14:05.39 | lapsusbrutus | ill netcat it, just a sec |
| 14:05.39 | MarKsaitis | Posterdati, exactly, ur current opinion doesnt matter to anyone |
| 14:05.50 | MarKsaitis | I like this quote as well |
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| 14:08.34 | MarKsaitis | babilen, in theory and debian philosophy, should new stable bug-free packages/soft be packed for stable current debian? |
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| 14:09.07 | dvs | MarKsaitis: That won't happen. |
| 14:09.09 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: http://www.debian.org/ will answer that question |
| 14:09.28 | boston8372 | M there is no such thing as bug free get over it |
| 14:09.30 | ansgar | MarKsaitis: Packages aren't updated in a release (with some exceptions), newer versions only go into the next release. |
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| 14:09.41 | MarKsaitis | ok. It's just that somebody said I should ask package maintainers on why did they not pack a new version |
| 14:09.41 | ansgar | MarKsaitis: Also there is no such thing as "Ubuntu Squeeze" ;) |
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| 14:10.17 | MarKsaitis | ansgar, I prob confused myself, my bet =) |
| 14:10.18 | lapsusbrutus | 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01) |
| 14:10.46 | dvs | ,pciid 168c:0013 |
| 14:10.47 | judd | [168c:0013] is 'AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0013 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 14:10.56 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: If there's a new upstream release, asking why it's not in unstable is a reasonable question. Asking why it's in stable is not. |
| 14:11.03 | cbmuser | I'm affected by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646215 which has been archived; is it ok to unarchive and reopen the bug? |
| 14:11.15 | cbmuser | I have generated debug logs which I'd like to attach to the bug report |
| 14:11.47 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, ok. Does "upstream" mean a new stable soft version? |
| 14:11.50 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: I installed firmware-linux-nonfree to get the e100 module, it runs and all good. problem is not with the card, but wicd |
| 14:12.05 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: http://www.debian.org/ will answer that question |
| 14:12.25 | PerfDave | !tell MarKsaitis -about upstream |
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| 14:12.58 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: maybe need to set things correctly in interfaces file too.. now: auto wlan0 .. nothing more. |
| 14:13.14 | gnugr | lapsusbrutus:you also need "firmware-atheros" |
| 14:13.39 | lapsusbrutus | hmm ok, Ill try that. |
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| 14:13.59 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, does iwlist scan work? |
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| 14:14.21 | MarKsaitis | here is a question, will it be ok to use kernel 2.6.32-238.19.1.el5.028stab092.2 in a new debian wheezy/wheezy (whatever its named) when it will come out? |
| 14:14.37 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: yep |
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| 14:15.00 | nsadmin | and you get waps? |
| 14:15.03 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: That would seem to be a RedHat-packaged kernel, not a Debian one. |
| 14:15.07 | lapsusbrutus | did install firmware-atheros && reboot |
| 14:15.18 | lapsusbrutus | crossing fingers :) |
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| 14:15.45 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, should that worry me at all? |
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| 14:16.21 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: There's no guarantee that a Debian stable release will function with a kernel from anything other than itself. It might do, it might not. |
| 14:16.30 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, you cannot get support for it here (no questions), and likely also not on #redhat |
| 14:16.54 | MarKsaitis | I bet I shouldnt worry about it then |
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| 14:17.23 | nsadmin | you'll be the one maintaining it for yourselv |
| 14:17.24 | ksk | MarKsaitis: theres the rumor about that the 2.6 based rhel kernel will not work with wheezys libc (cuz its kernel 3.0 related) |
| 14:17.37 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: *shrug* Whether you worry about it or not is up to you. Whether it works or not is anybody's guess. |
| 14:18.14 | MarKsaitis | ksk, the interesting thing is that im already on this kernel and wheezy |
| 14:19.11 | lapsusbrutus | problem persists :\ The on off button for wireless on wicd is useless, and wicd cant find wlan0 nor any networks.. iwlist scan works well hmm puzzled.. |
| 14:20.24 | Sevet | has anyone seen mysqld fail to start with 'Can't create IP socket: Permission denied' on squeeze? |
| 14:20.30 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, see if you can establish a connection in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:20.52 | lapsusbrutus | are there other progams with gui that are usable? nm-applet gets the whole gnome with it, so thats a no go |
| 14:21.17 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, first try to get a wireless connection going |
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| 14:21.37 | nsadmin | once you KNOW whether this works, then worry about what gui app controls it |
| 14:22.08 | lapsusbrutus | hmm thats a good idea nsadmin, |
| 14:22.21 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: I'd try running http://ltp.sourceforge.net/ or similar on it to check for regressions. |
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| 14:23.17 | HideMe | Know of a Debian update manager for multiple servers? |
| 14:24.10 | PerfDave | HideMe: What would you want this "update manager" to do? I run apticron on my servers, mailing in to Bugzilla |
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| 14:25.32 | gnugr | lapsusbrutus: try "aptitude -f install" to be sure no depends are missing |
| 14:25.46 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, http://gist.github.com/2359628 |
| 14:25.57 | Orphis | Hi, I'm having a problem using some internal tool packaged and tested on squeeze (python2.6) to work with my sid (python2.7) |
| 14:26.32 | Orphis | My python2.6 install can import the files properly, but python2.7 doesn't find the files |
| 14:26.43 | PerfDave | Orphis: What's the tool? Is it a Debian package? |
| 14:26.55 | Orphis | PerfDave: Yes, internal tool packaged as a debian package |
| 14:26.58 | HideMe | PerfDave, something like FreeBSD security report and the tool Ubuntu has to consolidate packages/updates across multiple servers. |
| 14:27.01 | PerfDave | Orphis: What's the package name |
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| 14:27.13 | PerfDave | HideMe: I don't know what either of those do :) |
| 14:27.15 | Orphis | PerfDave: That's an internal tool in my company |
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| 14:27.26 | Orphis | PerfDave: Let's call it "foo" |
| 14:27.31 | PerfDave | Orphis: I don't see how this is a Debian question then. I'd try asking a Python channel. |
| 14:27.46 | Orphis | PerfDave: That's debian packaging |
| 14:27.50 | PerfDave | Orphis: So what? |
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| 14:28.14 | PerfDave | Orphis: You've written a Python script that works with 2.6 but not 2.7. How you install it on your servers is pretty irrelevant. |
| 14:28.38 | PerfDave | Orphis: Simple answer is don't run sid on your work systems ;) |
| 14:28.42 | Orphis | PerfDave: I'd expect #debian to be able to tell me how to properly package something that works in sid |
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| 14:29.00 | Orphis | PerfDave: It would be the same thing with wheezy |
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| 14:29.26 | PerfDave | Orphis: If your python script doesn't work in 2.7 then that's the problem, not the packaging. The correct way to package it is to say it requires Python 2.6 |
| 14:29.30 | PerfDave | And then it won't install on 2.7 |
| 14:29.35 | PerfDave | On a system with 2.7, sorry |
| 14:29.50 | Orphis | PerfDave: Package says >= 2.5 |
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| 14:30.43 | PerfDave | Orphis: You packaged it, fix your packaging. |
| 14:30.46 | Orphis | PerfDave: I'm guessing there's something wrong in the dh_python2 script or in the control files |
| 14:30.58 | lapsusbrutus | thanks gnugr nsadmin, going to test a little. setting up wpa-supplicant.conf now :) |
| 14:31.19 | Orphis | PerfDave: Thanks Mr Obvious, I've came here to get some help on packaging |
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| 14:31.44 | PerfDave | Orphis: What are you trying to achieve here? If you want to make your Python script work on 2.7, that's a different thing from making your package not install on a system with only 2.7 available. |
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| 14:32.10 | MarKsaitis | PerfDave, is there ltp package I can install? |
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| 14:32.54 | PerfDave | MarKsaitis: Why are you asking me this, instead of using the Debian package search tools, or Google, or the LTP homepage I already sent you? Take some responsibility and try to learn something! |
| 14:32.55 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, can you get a connection going? |
| 14:32.55 | Bald0z | updating from lenny to squeeze, I get this warnings: error: superfluous RAID member (2 found). |
| 14:33.10 | Bald0z | during the configuration of GRUB |
| 14:33.26 | Bald0z | i have an md0 and md1 |
| 14:33.28 | Bald0z | md0 is root |
| 14:33.41 | Bald0z | and is a raid-1 with 3 members |
| 14:33.43 | Orphis | PerfDave: I'm trying to make the packaging work with both squeeze and wheezy |
| 14:34.11 | Bald0z | might it be because of that ? |
| 14:34.39 | PerfDave | Bald0z: That sounds reasonable... |
| 14:34.40 | ansgar | Orphis: #debian-python (on OFTC) might be more helpful. |
| 14:34.55 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:34.59 | Bald0z | what scares me is that it is called "error" |
| 14:35.10 | PerfDave | Orphis: Like I say, it looks like the problem is with your Python code, not with your packaging. |
| 14:35.13 | Orphis | ansgar: Thanks a lot, I'll go there |
| 14:35.21 | Bald0z | wonders if squeeze will ever boot on his machine |
| 14:35.25 | Bald0z | :) |
| 14:35.59 | Orphis | PerfDave: How can you say that the code is wrong if it's not even found when trying to import it ? |
| 14:36.42 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: not yet :\ but debian deserves a love song.. wow running at 95 mb ram and 900mhz prosessor lovely |
| 14:36.56 | Bald0z | I have told the installation process that I want to chainload grub2 into my old grub. is that safe ? |
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| 14:37.13 | PerfDave | Orphis: The description you've given suggests that your code is at fault. If that's not the case, that's a seperate question. Either way, a Python channel, or a Debian Python channel, might understand your requirements better since you're failing to explain them here. |
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| 14:37.46 | dvs | Bald0z: it worked for me but I eventually removed grub 1 |
| 14:38.04 | Orphis | PerfDave: Seriously: <Orphis> My python2.6 install can import the files properly, but python2.7 doesn't find the files |
| 14:38.07 | Bald0z | did you first rebbot once ? |
| 14:38.09 | Bald0z | *reboot |
| 14:38.35 | Bald0z | and then you did remove grub1 ? |
| 14:38.47 | dvs | Bald0z: exactly |
| 14:38.59 | Bald0z | with "update-from-grub-legacy" ? |
| 14:39.00 | Orphis | PerfDave: The problem was explained pretty well, if you don't know or don't even try to read what I say, just point me to #debian-python like ansgar kindly did |
| 14:39.31 | PerfDave | Orphis: I wasn't aware that #debian-python existed. Given I didn't understand your explanation, I'd say it wasn't very good. |
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| 14:39.59 | Bald0z | dvs, thx for the feedback, i'll cross my fingers then |
| 14:40.18 | Bald0z | another thing: how should I fix this problem: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100 |
| 14:40.30 | Bald0z | e100 should be my network card, so kinda important |
| 14:40.50 | Bald0z | I understand I should I add contrib non-free to my repositories |
| 14:41.04 | gnugr | Bald0z:that means you need firmware but fist thing first |
| 14:41.27 | dvs | fist?!? Watch out! |
| 14:41.43 | gnugr | wrong typping |
| 14:41.46 | gnugr | sorry |
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| 14:41.55 | gnugr | first*** |
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| 14:42.15 | Bald0z | ok I need those firmwares, but how can I do that? |
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| 14:42.25 | nsadmin | PerfDave, if each party takes 100% responsibility for both sides of a communication, things work better, and explanations that previously were thought to have lower quality tend to work better |
| 14:42.49 | Bald0z | the installation process was talking about adding contrib e non-free trees to the repositories |
| 14:43.02 | Bald0z | but then how can I tell my apt to fetch those firmwares? |
| 14:43.17 | gnugr | Bald0z: first as you said add "main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:43.29 | nsadmin | try aptitude install linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 14:43.41 | nsadmin | , versions linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 14:43.42 | judd | No package named 'linux-firmware-nonfree' was found in i386. |
| 14:43.58 | nsadmin | hmm, wrong name, jst a sec |
| 14:43.59 | dvs | ,version firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:44.00 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.35; wheezy/non-free: 0.35 |
| 14:44.15 | nsadmin | dvs: thanks :) |
| 14:44.19 | dvs | np |
| 14:44.25 | Bald0z | wonderful guys |
| 14:44.26 | Bald0z | thx |
| 14:44.37 | nsadmin | so try installing that one |
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| 14:45.15 | Bald0z | installing... |
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| 14:45.51 | nsadmin | you might not need to reboot |
| 14:46.23 | Bald0z | well, I am still using my old kernel, as I didn't reboot yet since dist-upgrade |
| 14:46.27 | nsadmin | and, once you think you're all set, a reboot will tell you if everything works |
| 14:46.39 | Bald0z | I just want to make "almost sure" that reboot will go flawlessy |
| 14:47.01 | nsadmin | oh, is this a remote vserver of some type? |
| 14:47.14 | Bald0z | cool, update-initramfs didn't complain about firmware missing anymore |
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| 14:47.27 | nsadmin | yay :) |
| 14:47.32 | Bald0z | no, not really, just an old machine on my parent's balcony |
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| 14:47.50 | Bald0z | kind of boring to connect a monitor to it ;) |
| 14:47.50 | nsadmin | how close are you to that balcony? |
| 14:47.59 | gnugr | hehe |
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| 14:48.07 | Bald0z | well, at the moment a bunch of KMs |
| 14:48.17 | Bald0z | but I can get physical access if I need to |
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| 14:48.25 | Bald0z | just would like to avoid if possible :) |
| 14:48.29 | faustische | Hi, my root partition is full; can I rsync /lib and /opt to my home folder and create a symlink to them in root? |
| 14:48.34 | Bald0z | but it's something I take into account for upgrading the distro |
| 14:48.39 | nsadmin | oh, and you're getting ready to reboot... you may wish to be there on reboot |
| 14:48.42 | faustische | Does it work? |
| 14:49.02 | Bald0z | yeah, nsadmin, I think I'll wait to be there to reboot |
| 14:49.24 | Bald0z | I have many things to fix in the meantime. this upgrade is taking longer than I thought :) many changes from lenny to squeeze |
| 14:49.35 | nsadmin | you will have one shot if you reboot before that, after which you'll have some driving to do |
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| 14:49.55 | Bald0z | yeah, in fact, no hurry |
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| 14:50.19 | intore_ | hi, i've debian squeeze. i want modify /etc/skel/ and put inside mozilla and openoffice but i don't know how do it. could you help me please? |
| 14:50.24 | nsadmin | does the upgrade you made include a kernel? |
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| 14:50.35 | Bald0z | yes nsadmin, it does |
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| 14:51.13 | nsadmin | ok, sounds like you have this well in hand |
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| 14:51.52 | Bald0z | I think I had 2.6.26 and going to 2.6.32 |
| 14:52.00 | faustische | How do I chroot on a live cd to my hard disk? I have different partitions for different folders. |
| 14:52.11 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin, gnugr: in desperation I installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome. Didnt get as much junk with it as I thought.. But wireless worked flawlessly there.. hmm strange. |
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| 14:52.19 | dvs | Bald0z: You upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 14:52.26 | Bald0z | yes, dvs, I am |
| 14:52.41 | MarKsaitis | how can I install a package which exists on squeeze but doesnt exist on wheely? |
| 14:52.47 | dvs | Bald0z: You need the new udev as well |
| 14:53.03 | Bald0z | nsadmin, kind of well in hand.... we will see on reboot :) |
| 14:53.05 | nsadmin | lapsusbrutus, were you able to establish a connection? |
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| 14:53.32 | Bald0z | udev for HAL ? what do I need to know ? |
| 14:53.53 | nsadmin | MarKsaitis, build it on your wheezy after getting the sources from squeeze |
| 14:54.15 | MarKsaitis | ok |
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| 14:54.33 | Bald0z | I am running 2.6.26 and will soon reboot into 2.6.32 |
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| 14:54.53 | Bald0z | I thought 2.6.26 already had udev ? |
| 14:55.19 | Bald0z | ah, dvs, now I see you said "you need the *new* udev as well" |
| 14:55.23 | dvs | yes |
| 14:55.34 | Bald0z | any major changes that I need to know? or should I install it manually ? |
| 14:55.41 | intore_ | any ideas? |
| 14:55.46 | dvs | Install it manualy |
| 14:56.18 | MarKsaitis | how do i install .deb package I already have downloaded? |
| 14:56.34 | lapsusbrutus | MarKsaitis: dpkg -i aouaoeu.deb ? |
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| 14:56.48 | faustische | I created the symlinks now I received a kernel panic! |
| 14:56.49 | MarKsaitis | woops |
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| 14:57.32 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: yea, but rebooted, and nm-applet finds nothing.. lol |
| 14:57.40 | Bald0z | faustische, I think you need to hard link for /lib/* to work |
| 14:57.55 | Bald0z | a soft link on the dir might not be enaugh |
| 14:57.57 | faustische | Bald0z: thank you |
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| 14:58.19 | lapsusbrutus | ahh now it finds them after reboot, all seems good |
| 14:58.26 | nsadmin | the thing about nm, is, if an interface is "mentioned" in /etc/network/interfaces, nm will ignore it |
| 14:58.28 | lapsusbrutus | working :D |
| 14:58.53 | nsadmin | excellent |
| 14:59.02 | gnugr | +1 |
| 14:59.08 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: yeah, thats seems like was the case with nm.. but probably wasnt the case with wicd |
| 14:59.25 | lapsusbrutus | thanks a lot for your help gnugr nsadmin :) |
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| 14:59.47 | nsadmin | np, glad it worked out |
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| 15:00.52 | sunbeam | oh my gosh filezilla is such trash ftp app |
| 15:00.53 | sunbeam | does anyone know a decent one ? which also allows fxp (server to server) |
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| 15:01.00 | faustische | I only have free space on other partitions so I reckon I cannot use a hard link for moving around /lib and /opt! |
| 15:01.05 | faustische | Any idea? |
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| 15:01.28 | lapsusbrutus | me like: running fast as a breeze on 512mb ram (using only 73) and on 900Mhz This is cool |
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| 15:01.54 | faustische | A hard link cannot span filesystems. |
| 15:02.57 | Bald0z | yep you are right |
| 15:03.18 | Bald0z | can't you just move /opt ? that's not system-critical |
| 15:03.32 | Bald0z | I think for /lib you might need a dedicated partition that you mount directly on /lib |
| 15:03.47 | Bald0z | and looks you don't have unpartitioned space to do that |
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| 15:04.35 | Bald0z | lapsusbrutus, /me too. my server is 256mb ram with 1ghz cpu and very responsive |
| 15:04.49 | faustische | Bald0z: ok, I'll try moving /opt |
| 15:05.07 | Bald0z | is /home already away ? |
| 15:05.21 | Bald0z | that's the common space-eater |
| 15:05.37 | faustische | Bald0z: it's on a /dev/sdb9 (dedicated partition) |
| 15:05.43 | Bald0z | ok |
| 15:06.22 | faustische | Bald0z: I'll let you know in a minute |
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| 15:11.26 | faustische | Is it a cpnequivalent to "rsync -va"? |
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| 15:11.57 | faustische | Is there a "cp" equivalent to "rsync -va"? |
| 15:12.25 | faustische | Rsync returns an error: connection unexpectedly closed |
| 15:12.31 | DammitJim | do you guys know a good source for c programming using the serial port? |
| 15:12.42 | babilen | DammitJim: I recommend to ask in ##c |
| 15:13.14 | DammitJim | babilen, I guess serial is serial... doesn't matter if it's linux or windows? |
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| 15:14.01 | Bald0z | faustische, looks like wrong syntax |
| 15:14.03 | babilen | DammitJim: My thoughts went rather along the lines of: ##c probably knows much more about relevant sources concerning C programming than #debian |
| 15:14.14 | DammitJim | good point |
| 15:14.15 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 15:14.27 | Bald0z | rsync handles both ssh and remote rsync daemon endpoints |
| 15:14.29 | DammitJim | why is that ## and we are # |
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| 15:14.58 | babilen | DammitJim: Primary/Non-Primary channels -- http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#primarychannels |
| 15:15.07 | faustische | Bald0z: I'm using rsync -vaz to mirror my folders, is it the wrong syntax? |
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| 15:15.29 | Bald0z | I think you need to put : in the endpoint |
| 15:15.38 | faustische | Bald0z: ah, thanks |
| 15:15.47 | Bald0z | don't remember it right now |
| 15:15.48 | babilen | faustische: That is, most likely, not the complete command. Please show us your command and the error in a pastebin. Also note ^^^ |
| 15:15.48 | bet0 | Hello, somebody have added megasr driver while debian 6 installing? |
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| 15:16.17 | HideMe | Does anyone here use apt-dater? |
| 15:16.23 | babilen | bet0: I have no idea. Given that there are many Debian users I wouldn't be too surprised. |
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| 15:20.55 | bet0 | Hello, somebody have added megasr driver while debian 6 installing? |
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| 15:27.14 | faustische | Wow! I just fixed my full root partition using symlinks. Thanks guys! Me love Debian long time! |
| 15:27.15 | MiGueLL_ | hello, I want to create one new user in my debian server in /home/ and I don't know why, All my users added to the system can enter in /home and see info about any /home/user account, could you tell me please how could I make private all /home/user account for they cannot be accessed by simple users? Thanks. |
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| 15:27.38 | faustische | Everything is working as expected and the system is up and running again |
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| 15:28.30 | ansgar | MiGueLL_: Just change permissions and maybe the umask? |
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| 15:30.19 | MiGueLL_ | ansgar could you tell me please the command or any example? Thanks. |
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| 15:32.25 | ansgar | MiGueLL_: Any UNIX/Linux introduction should tell you. And if you administrate any system with several users, it certainly shouldn't hurt to read that. |
| 15:32.46 | babilen | MiGueLL_: You don't want newly created home directories for new users to be readable by other users on the system? Or do you only want to change the permissions of the directories that have been created until now? |
| 15:32.58 | babilen | !tell MiGueLL_ -about general cli tutorial |
| 15:34.04 | sunbeam | what a good gui ftp client (with fxp support) for debian squeeze xfce ? |
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| 15:35.34 | ksk | kill it with fire... :> |
| 15:37.20 | Bald0z | faustische, good to hear that |
| 15:37.33 | TuRnaD0 | i am trying to transfer a file from my user to my tss_user, i want to put the file in home/Tss_server :/ it tells me i can't get access to that folder, anybody know why ? |
| 15:38.49 | Bald0z | sunbeam, I heard of iglooftp pro, but I think it isn't free |
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| 15:39.10 | sunbeam | Bald0z: any idea what price? |
| 15:39.16 | sunbeam | lets check |
| 15:39.19 | ChrisH | TuRnaD0: transfering as root using mv? Otherwise be more detailled and maybe pastebin |
| 15:39.48 | Bald0z | less than 100 bucks |
| 15:40.00 | Bald0z | you can also take a look at crossftp |
| 15:40.03 | Bald0z | pro |
| 15:40.18 | Bald0z | that's 25$ |
| 15:40.24 | TuRnaD0 | ChrisH: what is the full command please |
| 15:40.27 | sunbeam | i need a free one actually nvm |
| 15:40.33 | sunbeam | just the default ones are no good |
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| 15:40.45 | Bald0z | I never found a good FXP software for free |
| 15:40.53 | Bald0z | I think it's something you need to pay |
| 15:41.08 | sunbeam | I will just download the files i need to transfer first |
| 15:41.13 | Bald0z | or take the route of developing free ones until they are solid |
| 15:41.23 | Bald0z | crossftp pro has 30 day free evaluation |
| 15:41.38 | Bald0z | might get your job done |
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| 15:42.38 | sunbeam | like which Bald0z |
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| 15:43.38 | ChrisH | !tell TuRnaD0 about pastebin |
| 15:43.42 | Bald0z | did you try filezilla, sunbeam ? |
| 15:43.51 | Bald0z | I don't like it, but might fit your needs |
| 15:44.02 | Bald0z | and it's free as in free speech :) |
| 15:44.03 | sunbeam | im trying now |
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| 15:45.50 | sunbeam | i didnt like it a lot but i guess this the only proper option |
| 15:46.19 | kqr | hello. i'm trying to boot a debian over my network, and i have almost succeeded. it's just that when i have typed my username to log in, and pressed enter, it tells me it's "unable to determine your tty name" and won't let me type my password. any idea why that is? |
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| 15:47.35 | sunbeam | whats a good code editor in debian squeeze with sftp (ssh ftp) or ftp plugins? |
| 15:48.50 | nsadmin | free beach! |
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| 15:50.36 | ChrisH | wonders what a code editor is... vim or emacs are good editors |
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| 15:51.49 | sunbeam | yea but you need to be 20 years working with cli's to be able to use them |
| 15:52.04 | Iridos | ChrisH, an editor that fails when you try to write a letter to your ole mum but has no problems with C, perl or python :P |
| 15:52.29 | Iridos | sunbeam, really? so how do people ever start using them? |
| 15:52.36 | grobda24 | hello. I'm considering installing the nvidia graphics driver from the experimental repositories because I want the latest nvidia release |
| 15:52.44 | sunbeam | i got no idea, but vim is extremely hard if you need to access remote servers |
| 15:52.50 | sunbeam | if you have some projects that you run locally its fine |
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| 15:53.28 | ChrisH | vi is working excellent even over modem lines... used that over years on 9k6 lines |
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| 15:53.37 | grobda24 | If I install the experimental repository will that take priority if I install any other software as I only want the experimental nvidia package and everything else from stable |
| 15:53.37 | sunbeam | i highly doubt a webdev that codes websites/templates etc that didn't use debian primary as a desktop env before will 'just start' using vim as coding tool |
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| 15:54.02 | jordanm | grobda24: no, the default pin is 1 |
| 15:54.11 | Iridos | sunbeam, see if you can use sshfs and everything becomes "local" |
| 15:54.12 | jordanm | !tell grobda24 about experimental |
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| 15:54.34 | sunbeam | Iridos: well, not a lot hosting companies provide ssh access |
| 15:54.44 | Iridos | sftp runs over ssh |
| 15:54.44 | sunbeam | most do ftp for a simple webhosting account |
| 15:54.46 | sunbeam | so what then? |
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| 15:54.56 | Iridos | and you specifically mentioned sftp |
| 15:55.02 | sunbeam | yea ok maybe wrong said |
| 15:55.12 | grobda24 | jordanm, thanks :) |
| 15:55.56 | Iridos | well, what then... edit on a local copy, upload when satisfied? |
| 15:56.09 | sunbeam | Iridos: do you ever code any website? |
| 15:56.18 | sunbeam | That's maybe possible for a hello world site |
| 15:56.21 | sunbeam | but not for a large project |
| 15:56.36 | kqr | for a large project, wouldn't you use version control anyway? |
| 15:56.42 | sunbeam | not every company |
| 15:56.47 | Iridos | so you have a large project that you have to make websites for, but that doesn't give you ssh accesss? |
| 15:56.49 | ChrisH | sunbeam: Do I understand you code on a production side? |
| 15:56.57 | kqr | ChrisH, seems like it |
| 15:57.12 | sunbeam | but still, even if you just need to alter an already existing website, something goes wrong, you need to change 10 files for a few changes |
| 15:57.14 | Iridos | just "ftp for a simple webhosting account"? |
| 15:57.29 | sunbeam | What are you going to do? download them -> change one by one -> upload? |
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| 15:57.53 | sunbeam | Iridos: yes |
| 15:58.03 | Iridos | all the more reason to test on a local copy so things DO NOT go wrong?! |
| 15:58.10 | sunbeam | i know ftp sucks, but most hosting companies provide SSH and no ftp |
| 15:58.10 | kqr | sunbeam, that's how web development usually works |
| 15:58.37 | ChrisH | My way of doing changes to production site and systems is: Test on testing systems and script the changes to apply them to production. |
| 15:58.39 | krisfremen | my company works with the SEO company.. |
| 15:58.42 | krisfremen | they're so idiotic.. |
| 15:58.46 | krisfremen | they do changes directly on the live site |
| 15:58.51 | krisfremen | and they're usually mistakes |
| 15:58.54 | sunbeam | for large projects, where i don't have server ssh access to, i normally setup a debian system here locally and setup everything |
| 15:58.58 | krisfremen | and I'm like... "we pay $4500 for this??" |
| 15:59.03 | sunbeam | ChrisH: yes that's what i do now, but not everytime |
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| 15:59.22 | krisfremen | they have no revision control.. no management over who changes what.. |
| 15:59.24 | krisfremen | it's terrible.. |
| 15:59.40 | ChrisH | krisfremen: sounds like a nightmare |
| 15:59.51 | sunbeam | ChrisH: its not that when your boss asks, fix this issue (on a large site) where just ftp access is granted you can just download and setup everything (takes 40 mins) and then reupload it |
| 15:59.56 | krisfremen | ChrisH: it is.. and I have to fix their mistakes.. I have no idea why they even hire that company.. |
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| 16:00.33 | sunbeam | i don't say working without revision control / svn is a good thing, but not every project uses that |
| 16:00.33 | kqr | sunbeam, do you never work on sites for more than a single change? |
| 16:00.40 | sunbeam | kqr: sure |
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| 16:01.01 | kqr | sunbeam, i guess my question was badly phrased |
| 16:01.05 | Bald0z | goodbye everyone and thanks for the nice chat |
| 16:01.10 | kqr | sunbeam, do you often work on sites for only a single change? |
| 16:01.13 | krisfremen | sunbeam: yes, but if multiple people work on a project.. revision cntrol is kind of a must.. |
| 16:01.29 | krisfremen | same thing happens when I work on dev projects for consulting.. everyone sends me zips.. I'm like wtf?! |
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| 16:01.35 | ChrisH | sunbeam: you could setup small Virtualsystems at you side or at hosting side to test changes there |
| 16:01.44 | sunbeam | ChrisH: yes that's what I do now |
| 16:01.55 | sunbeam | ChrisH: so I probably just need sftp at this time, you guys are right :) |
| 16:01.56 | kqr | krisfremen, are you lucky enough that the zips have a date in their filename? |
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| 16:02.14 | sunbeam | but still, i used to work for a company where we had an alexa 3.2k site that i needed to change WITHOUT ssh access |
| 16:02.17 | ChrisH | krisfremen: Revision controll is usefull even if you work alone |
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| 16:02.52 | sunbeam | setting it up here locally would have taken me (for this site) maybe a while and that was not desired |
| 16:03.00 | sunbeam | anyway, for most cases i guess you are right that sftp can be used |
| 16:03.08 | lapsusbrutus | how to avoid dhcp at startup? but want it to dhcp when cable plugged in |
| 16:03.51 | ChrisH | sunbeam: You should be able to use sshfs if sftp is possible. Should, as I was not able to test it. |
| 16:04.09 | sunbeam | ChrisH: ok, any good tutorial on sshfs? |
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| 16:04.26 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 16:04.28 | sunbeam | its a local users account i am editing files with (local as in i have root on the local running machine) |
| 16:04.34 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:04.40 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, makes it dhcp when you plug the cable in |
| 16:04.49 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, about the startup thing i have no idea |
| 16:05.04 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, (those lines go in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 16:05.07 | lapsusbrutus | kqr: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:05.41 | lapsusbrutus | that line + auto eth+ makes it try to connect during startup, slowing portable down a lot, hmm |
| 16:05.59 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, ohl |
| 16:06.02 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, oh* |
| 16:06.17 | ChrisH | sunbeam: apt-get install sshfs && man sshfs :) thats all needed. Only adding sshfs to fstab is more sophistocated |
| 16:06.25 | sunbeam | oh, and the reason i just don't like vim for coding large projects is because the lack of a proper gui, simple as that. |
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| 16:06.46 | sunbeam | I cannot work with it |
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| 16:06.55 | lapsusbrutus | kqr: ok got it now |
| 16:06.58 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
| 16:06.59 | sunbeam | Editing or writing a simple bash script with VIM is ok for me |
| 16:07.00 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, yeah? |
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| 16:07.04 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, i'm curious |
| 16:07.16 | LV-426 | is there any tool to generate random ipv6 local addresses ? |
| 16:07.48 | krisfremen | sunbeam: I can't use anything but vim.. I only use NetBeans when I have to code in Java |
| 16:07.49 | Dagger2 | LV-426: do you mean ULA ranges, e.g. http://www.simpledns.com/private-ipv6.aspx? |
| 16:08.04 | lapsusbrutus | kqr: removed iface eth0 inet dhcp from interfaces, looks like network-manager takes care of autoing it when cable plugged in :) |
| 16:08.07 | LV-426 | yes |
| 16:08.16 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, oh |
| 16:08.30 | ChrisH | sunbeam: If you use the word "coding" it allways refers to writing HTML code? |
| 16:08.41 | sunbeam | ChrisH: and css/js/php |
| 16:08.50 | lapsusbrutus | but auto eth0 is needed I think |
| 16:09.22 | LV-426 | thanks Dagger2 |
| 16:09.27 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, i was going to say "how pretty" but then i realised network-manager sounds like something with lots and lots of dependencies |
| 16:09.35 | ChrisH | sunbeam: what GUI do you need for coding? |
| 16:09.46 | sunbeam | ChrisH: something equivalent to notepad++ on windows |
| 16:09.55 | krisfremen | sunbeam: gvim? |
| 16:10.12 | kqr | ChrisH, some people are find it easier to grasp the overall picture of something large when they have more fancy windows and stuff |
| 16:10.16 | sunbeam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.28 | krisfremen | it's a gui for vim |
| 16:10.30 | lapsusbrutus | kqr: yea.. :\ some, but not as many as I thought. runs on only 65 mb of ram totally not counting disc caching :D |
| 16:10.44 | sunbeam | krisfremen: package vim-gnome? |
| 16:10.44 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, that's nice |
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| 16:11.00 | kqr | lapsusbrutus, i'm just used to everything gnomey wanting to bring in ALL of gnome |
| 16:11.15 | krisfremen | sunbeam: I prefer vim-gtk2 |
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| 16:11.58 | lapsusbrutus | lxde + minimal debian , and the ugly part: network-manager network-manager-gnome But wasnt as intrusive as I thought. |
| 16:12.07 | sunbeam | krisfremen: is there a plugin option in gvim? |
| 16:12.11 | sunbeam | i cant find it |
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| 16:12.45 | krisfremen | sunbeam: plugins? like? |
| 16:12.48 | lapsusbrutus | calling it a day.. bb all, and thanks for helping guys :) |
| 16:13.01 | ChrisH | sunbeam: I have no idea that notepad++ is... I use vi,vim, gvim and rarely *emacs... Mainly if I missed a " somewhere in bash code. emacs: indent-region is helpfull then |
| 16:13.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sunbeam about cream |
| 16:13.38 | Iridos | sunbeam, or perhaps xemacs, which features some nice, big friendly buttons but can still do everything an emacs can (afaik) |
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| 16:13.57 | DaveNull | sunbeam, have a look à Geany |
| 16:14.07 | DaveNull | s/à/at |
| 16:14.11 | sunbeam | krisfremen: sftp |
| 16:14.26 | krisfremen | sunbeam: umm.. just use sshfs? |
| 16:14.34 | draget_ | Is there a term that expresses the difference between a package I installed on purpose and one that was pulled as a dependency? Like 'intended to be installed'? Something that allows for example removing all dependencies of a programm since they were only installed as a dependency and not intended programm? |
| 16:14.41 | Iridos | tries cream out of curiosity |
| 16:14.49 | Iridos | mmh, doesn't seem to be vim anymore |
| 16:14.58 | sunbeam | krisfremen: if you edit files in that sshfs - do you edit them as the ssh account? sorry maybe very stupid question :p |
| 16:15.17 | Iridos | sunbeam, yes... obviously |
| 16:16.23 | Iridos | as it supplies only that accounts credentials, anything else would be impossible |
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| 16:18.03 | sunbeam | ok |
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| 16:18.17 | sunbeam | apt-get install sshfs is enough? |
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| 16:19.42 | faustische | Is Squeeze the latest stable release ofnDebian? |
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| 16:20.03 | faustische | *of debian |
| 16:20.11 | draget_ | I assume aptitude tracks in some kind of database which packages were installed 'by the user itself' and which were just pulled as a dependency, or? |
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| 16:21.28 | ChrisH | sunbeam: should be, you need to part of the fuse group |
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| 16:22.28 | born2troll | guys i need to restart alsa so it rereads my /etc/asound.conf . Got any idea? |
| 16:22.50 | faustische | Am I upgrading the right way?: apt-get -u dist-upgrade autoremove |
| 16:23.29 | faustische | born2troll: maybe: # /etc/inid.d/alsa restart |
| 16:23.41 | faustische | born2troll: or stop then start |
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| 16:24.04 | AlexAnteMachina | hi all |
| 16:24.18 | born2troll | faustische, well its alsa-utils and that was my first try too :P |
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| 16:25.02 | born2troll | they dont seem to really stop... i can stop them every secound and they just keep on going... |
| 16:25.15 | AlexAnteMachina | can I simply replace "wheezy" by "testing" in sources.lst to make it a rolling release system? |
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| 16:25.24 | sunbeam | how can I find which users are currently added to one group? |
| 16:25.29 | ChrisH | sunbeam: I did a sshfs mount and this is what the sshd logged: sshd[25372]: subsystem request for sftp <-- so sftp es needed |
| 16:25.49 | ChrisH | sunbeam: grep GROUP /etc/group |
| 16:25.55 | born2troll | AlexAnteMachina, yes |
| 16:26.03 | AlexAnteMachina | coooooo! |
| 16:26.07 | AlexAnteMachina | +l |
| 16:26.10 | AlexAnteMachina | :D |
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| 16:26.35 | sunbeam | ChrisH: ok thanks |
| 16:26.38 | AlexAnteMachina | thanks born2troll |
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| 16:26.40 | born2troll | ChrisH, well im no pro but cat /etc/group |grep -i username should do that |
| 16:27.21 | babilen | getent passwd username |
| 16:27.27 | kqr | when i try to read man pages (and other things) on my network booted debian, libstdc++ segfaults a lot. if i try to do the same thing on the system when it's chrooted, there's no problem. does anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 16:27.43 | ChrisH | born2troll: Does work, but needs double number of forks. grep -i username /etc/group is better |
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| 16:28.58 | born2troll | ChrisH, probably... i just have these pipeline thinking burned in my mind :D |
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| 16:30.19 | JohK | can someone help me with dmks |
| 16:30.33 | sunbeam | ChrisH: which user do I need to add to the fuse group? root or sunbeam (my own) |
| 16:30.34 | babilen | ah, group .. What is the task? getent it probably still the right tool :-/ |
| 16:31.28 | JohK | for me dkms consistently fails, until I remove the corresponding module manually (in the filesystem, not with dmks) |
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| 16:31.45 | JohK | every single update dkms fails |
| 16:32.00 | ChrisH | sunbeam: the user that call sshfs, from my understanding sunbeam |
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| 16:32.16 | born2troll | babilen, i think just to look up who is in his group |
| 16:32.33 | babilen | "his group" ? |
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| 16:33.02 | babilen | JohK: How does it fail? Could you paste the actual error and other relevant output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:33.13 | ChrisH | babilen: its on having the local user in fuse group to sshfs |
| 16:33.26 | born2troll | babilen, cat /etc/group|grep -i $whoami if i am right...+ |
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| 16:33.53 | JohK | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/162885/ |
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| 16:34.07 | babilen | Ah, "getent group fuse" in that case ... Or "id" or "groups" or "groups USERNAME" if the question is "In which groups am I currently?" |
| 16:34.09 | User_San | hello, i need help with a webcam of mine: i am using streamer to take a picture, but there are some problems with setformat... |
| 16:34.16 | abrotman | getent is generally better |
| 16:34.27 | User_San | http://paste.debian.net/162884/ |
| 16:35.03 | babilen | JohK: That is in sid, isn't it? |
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| 16:35.44 | babilen | JohK: I think I've read something about the nvidia drivers being broken. Lets check the bts ( http://bugs.debian.org ) and meet again in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where we support wheezy/sid |
| 16:35.55 | JohK | babilen: wheezy/sid |
| 16:36.14 | ChibaPet | Random question, is there reasoning behind Debian's copying a zone file to /etc/localtime rather than symlinking into /usr/share/zoneinfo? |
| 16:36.21 | babilen | JohK: Which kernel do you have? |
| 16:36.44 | JohK | babilen: its not dependent on kernel versions |
| 16:36.53 | JohK | I've had that ever since I changed to dkms |
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| 16:37.17 | Iridos | ChibaPet, does that mean you want a random answer? |
| 16:37.28 | JohK | babilen: 2.6.39-2-amd64 |
| 16:37.47 | ChibaPet | No, in fact, it means that the question doesn't correspond to anything that's been discussed recently. Sorry, I need to be more careful and not assume people are native English speakers. |
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| 16:38.05 | born2troll | babilen, i have to kill my alsa (or at least get it to reload his /etc/asound.conf) but the prozess id is jumping around like mad... got any idea? |
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| 16:39.04 | babilen | JohK: Ok, please try upgrading to a recent kernel (3.2) -- Most easily done by installing the linux-image-ARCH metapackage (e.g. linux-image-amd64) -- And let us continue this in #debian-next. This might very well be a bug in the newest NVIDIA package. Have you tried the version in wheezy? |
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| 16:39.17 | JohK | babilen: it is not a kernel problem |
| 16:39.35 | JohK | babilen: #debian-next is invite only? |
| 16:39.46 | babilen | JohK: On irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 16:39.47 | JohK | babilen: and I won't upgrade the kernel |
| 16:39.50 | babilen | ok |
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| 16:40.59 | ChibaPet | JohK: How recently did you see this? I'm running Wheezy with the binary blob from nVidia and an upgrade... last night? ...didn't evince problems with nVidia. |
| 16:41.36 | ChibaPet | Iridos: Were you thinking of answering the question, or did you just want to shoot off a sarcastic rejoinder for the pleasure of being anonymously nasty to someone? |
| 16:41.39 | JohK | ChibaPet: no like every time dkms is run by dkpg |
| 16:41.47 | Iridos | ChibaPet, well, that'S a pity, I have _lots_ of random answers... as to a specific answer to your question... |
| 16:41.48 | born2troll | okey... i give up... i still have sound but i dont know why... |
| 16:42.03 | ChibaPet | JohK: Let me run it now and see if I can reproduce that. I'm not at the system physically, but that won't matter for this. |
| 16:42.08 | Iridos | ChibaPet, just shoot off a sarcastic rejoinder... i was going to try to answer nontheless.. |
| 16:42.57 | Iridos | ChibaPet, of course, I can only guess at the reasoning, not being the person who did it... but I guess whoever judged it to be a "configuration file" and then followed http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files |
| 16:43.44 | Iridos | (10.7.2 Location) |
| 16:43.59 | ChibaPet | Iridos: Cool. The reason I ask, for what it's worth, is that I just booted a normally-Debian system with boot media for another Lignux, to verify that it was valid media, and it did something unexpected with time. So I looked at my localtime and realized that I wasn't sure what it corresponded to. I did a bunch of checksums and found it, and later found it independently using strings(1), but then it occurred to me that I remembered other systems doi |
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| 16:44.37 | ChibaPet | I should have thought to look at policy. Thank you for the reminder. |
| 16:45.49 | Iridos | I'm not sure I agree with a classification as "config file", though, as it's not really human-readable |
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| 16:46.20 | Iridos | or, let me rephrase, I disagree with that :) |
| 16:46.21 | ChibaPet | Hm, 10.7.2 would seem to support a symlink into /usr/share/zoneinfo. But it's not a big deal, I was just curious. |
| 16:46.33 | Timmy | how can i get a list of installed packages? |
| 16:46.38 | ChibaPet | Timmy: dpkg -l |
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| 16:47.51 | nsadmin | Timmy, dpkg --help |
| 16:48.02 | sunbeam | how can I unmount a sshfs? |
| 16:48.02 | Iridos | ChibaPet, and your sentence was truncated after "systems do" |
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| 16:48.09 | seeker61 | where is a good place to research the step by step that is taken when squeeze boots. i.e. grub opens and then a screen for os selection and then what file is opened after that |
| 16:48.27 | ChibaPet | Iridos: ty, it ended: systems doing it differently, and became curious. |
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| 16:49.09 | ChibaPet | seeker61: There might be something online, but the Unix Systems Administration Handbook has one of my favourite descriptions of this process. Their Linux equivalent might also. |
| 16:49.14 | Iridos | ChibaPet, no, 10.7.2 would support having a symlink from /usr/share/zoneinfo into /etc |
| 16:49.21 | Timmy | thank you nsadimn. know how can i use this list to install these applications on another computer automatically? |
| 16:49.31 | Iridos | dpkg, debian clone |
| 16:49.32 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 16:49.35 | Iridos | Timmy, ^^^ |
| 16:49.46 | seeker61 | ChibaPet: thanks i will go see what i can find |
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| 16:50.30 | Timmy | thank you |
| 16:50.31 | ChibaPet | Iridos: Ah, yeah. I need to stop thinking. It's not going well today. A nap would be nice. |
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| 16:52.20 | Iridos | ChibaPet, still find it a bit borderline ... configuration files "are intended to be modified by the system administrator" how does he do that with this binary crap? |
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| 16:53.14 | ChibaPet | We can compile timezone files, but that doesn't suggest that the resulting blob is itself an editable config file. |
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| 16:54.04 | Owner | is there a debian kfreebsd channel |
| 16:54.15 | ChibaPet | Owner: There is on oftc. |
| 16:54.29 | Owner | what is it called |
| 16:54.34 | ChibaPet | oftc:#debian-kbsd |
| 16:54.38 | Owner | thx |
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| 16:55.59 | ChibaPet | JohK: For what it's worth, I can reproduce your DKMS issue at home. |
| 16:56.20 | JohK | HA! |
| 16:56.32 | JohK | ChibaPet: babilen can you elaboreate? |
| 16:56.33 | ChibaPet | Oh, perhaps it's not identical. Can you point me to your screenshot again? |
| 16:56.48 | JohK | ChibaPet: http://paste.debian.net/162888/ |
| 16:57.28 | ChibaPet | No, not seeing that, sorry. It complains to me about an identical version being installed already. |
| 16:57.37 | ChibaPet | Have you tried m-a clean nvidia-kernel ? |
| 16:57.44 | JohK | nope |
| 16:57.47 | ChibaPet | Try that? |
| 16:58.07 | JohK | ChibaPet: the problem is, that I have tried numerous things in the past, which all solved the sympton |
| 16:58.10 | sunbeam | Do I have to run sshfs mount as root? |
| 16:58.16 | sunbeam | i cannot get it to work as normal user |
| 16:58.23 | JohK | ChibaPet: but it happens again and again |
| 16:58.24 | sunbeam | I'm member of the fuse group |
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| 16:59.00 | ChibaPet | JohK: Cleaning can help, if you have a borqued build half-done. |
| 16:59.05 | abrotman | sunbeam: who owns the mount point? |
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| 17:00.03 | sunbeam | abrotman: the user (sunbeam) |
| 17:00.08 | sunbeam | but mounting like I try it now doesn't work |
| 17:00.20 | sunbeam | /home/sunbeam/mounts |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | sunbeam: what's the actual error ? |
| 17:00.43 | abrotman | sunbeam: and did you just add yourself to the fuse group, or did you have it when you logged in ? |
| 17:01.02 | sunbeam | abrotman: i just added myself to the fuse group |
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| 17:01.19 | sunbeam | fuse:x:112:root,sunbeam |
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| 17:01.56 | sunbeam | abrotman: no error. the dir mounts is just not containing anything |
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| 17:02.00 | sunbeam | abrotman: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? mounts |
| 17:02.08 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Group changes take affect on login. |
| 17:02.08 | sunbeam | that is how it looks like in ls -la |
| 17:02.13 | sunbeam | karlpinc: i rebooted anyway |
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| 17:02.24 | karlpinc | s/affect/effect/ *sigh* |
| 17:02.37 | sunbeam | sudo sshfs -o idmap=user sites@192.168.1.250:site.local /home/sunbeam/mounts |
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| 17:02.54 | ChrisH | sunbeam: remove the sudo! |
| 17:03.00 | sunbeam | ChrisH: not possible |
| 17:03.10 | born2troll | guys i dont get it... some programs have sound and some dont... can you please help me setting up my alsa properly? |
| 17:03.11 | sunbeam | ChrisH: fuse: bad mount point `/home/sunbeam/mounts': Permission denied |
| 17:03.38 | nkuttler | born2troll: which ones do/don't? |
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| 17:03.53 | ChrisH | sunbeam otherwise only root can read the file.. does id -a show the fuse group? |
| 17:04.04 | born2troll | terminal has no sound at all, skype has the boxes on my screen and media player has my headset |
| 17:04.07 | born2troll | its a mess :S |
| 17:04.51 | abrotman | sumuh .. what ? |
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| 17:04.59 | abrotman | sunbeam: uh what ? |
| 17:05.02 | somiaj | born2troll: by default alsa should be using dmix -- do you use a custom ~/.asoundrc file? |
| 17:05.08 | sunbeam | ChrisH: yes |
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| 17:05.13 | abrotman | sunbeam: that's not normal .. usually indicates a filesystem issue |
| 17:05.19 | sunbeam | it's not |
| 17:05.19 | jelly-home | sunbeam: make sure /home/sunbeam/mounts is owned by you, not root. |
| 17:05.23 | sunbeam | oh btw |
| 17:05.33 | sunbeam | the sshfs i am mounting is on this local system |
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| 17:05.47 | sunbeam | jelly-home: it is |
| 17:05.48 | born2troll | somiaj, ye i have type hw card 2 (headset) |
| 17:06.01 | sunbeam | jelly-home: its owned by sunbeam:sunbeam |
| 17:06.07 | jelly-home | sunbeam: pastebin "ls -ld /home/sunbeam/mounts" and "cat /proc/mounts" |
| 17:06.13 | karlpinc | sunbeam: /home/sunbeam/mounts is a directory? (Just checking. I'd expect a different error if it was not.) |
| 17:06.23 | sunbeam | jelly-home: after mounting with all the ?? ?? ? ? ? shit before /mount ? |
| 17:06.24 | jelly-home | sunbeam: run "cat /proc/mounts" as both you and root |
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| 17:06.39 | jelly-home | sunbeam: current state. |
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| 17:06.55 | somiaj | born2troll: if you use a custom ~/.asoundrc to set the sound cards you override the default dmix settings. I know there is a way to enable dmix in your custom .asoundrc file, I just find the documentation on such a thing lacking. |
| 17:07.14 | somiaj | born2troll: and with out dmix you cannot get software mixing with alsa (unless you setup something like pulseaudio) |
| 17:07.37 | jelly-home | sunbeam: oh: run them both as user and as root, there ought to be differences |
| 17:07.58 | sunbeam | mounting as root perfectly works btw |
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| 17:08.08 | sunbeam | just not as sunbeam user (with sunbeam owning tyhe mount dir) |
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| 17:08.26 | ChrisH | sunbeam: pastebin what ypu were asked for |
| 17:08.43 | abrotman | sunbeam: ls -ld /home/sunbeam/mounts/ .. is all ?s ? |
| 17:08.48 | sunbeam | argh |
| 17:08.49 | born2troll | somiaj, so dmix could solve it? |
| 17:08.52 | sunbeam | after reboot it seems to work |
| 17:08.52 | sunbeam | wtf |
| 17:08.58 | sunbeam | hold on let me retry |
| 17:09.27 | somiaj | born2troll: if your card supports dmix, yes that is the alsa built in software mixer. |
| 17:09.46 | somiaj | born2troll: on debian systems it is turned on by default, but as soon as you use your custom .asoundrc file you can override those default settings |
| 17:09.51 | somiaj | born2troll: what is soundcard #0 on your system? |
| 17:10.24 | born2troll | gimme a sec i paste you that stuff |
| 17:10.28 | sunbeam | it seems to work |
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| 17:10.36 | sunbeam | strange |
| 17:10.41 | sunbeam | maybe some error in fs |
| 17:10.52 | sunbeam | although i doubt that since its a brand new virtual box |
| 17:10.56 | sunbeam | on a new hdd |
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| 17:11.44 | born2troll | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/162890/ |
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| 17:12.07 | karlpinc | sunbeam: If you mounted it as root and didn't umount it and then tried as sunbeam then you would not have permissions. |
| 17:12.20 | sunbeam | karlpinc: no i mount it now as sunbeam |
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| 17:12.52 | sanitypassing | Hi, my monitor is only showing the possible refresh rates of 50 and 51 Hz, despite supporting up to 60 Hz @ 1920x1080. Is there any way I can make it use 60 Hz instead of the current 50 Hz? |
| 17:13.19 | ChrisH | sanitypassing: CRT or TFT/LCD? |
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| 17:13.32 | sunbeam | Does anyone know a good code editor with tab view possibility? |
| 17:13.36 | somiaj | born2troll: your asoundrc files are overwriting the dmix settings |
| 17:13.40 | sanitypassing | ChrisH: LCD. |
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| 17:14.19 | born2troll | somiaj, rm them? |
| 17:14.20 | somiaj | born2troll: first I would suggest this, backup/move those config files out of place, and then see if you have software mixing on the USB-Audio device (since it is sound card 0) -- this will show you |
| 17:14.28 | somiaj | born2troll: this will show you that dmix is indeed working |
| 17:14.30 | ChrisH | sanitypassing: then, as far as I understood, the refresh rate does not matter |
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| 17:14.36 | somiaj | born2troll: I would mv them somewhere as backup, not just rm them |
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| 17:14.50 | sanitypassing | I see. |
| 17:14.52 | karlpinc | sunbeam: Emacs has buffers, but I don't know if you can make them show in the gui as tabs or if you have to use the menu to switch. |
| 17:14.59 | sanitypassing | I guess it's not a problem then. Thanks. |
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| 17:15.12 | sunbeam | karlpinc: i tried it but couldnt find |
| 17:15.46 | born2troll | somiaj, they are moved. |
| 17:16.55 | somiaj | born2troll: ok now stop any prgoram that is accessing that usb sound card, then run a few programs and see if you get software mixing (i.e. multiple sources making sound) |
| 17:17.37 | somiaj | man to bad the alsa dmix documenation isn't that good, I personally haven't found a way to get dmix working with forcing a default soundcard with .asoundrc myself |
| 17:18.42 | karlpinc | sunbeam: http://emacswiki.org/emacs/TabBarMode |
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| 17:20.35 | HideMe | PerfDave, what was the name of that program you use for package reports? |
| 17:21.06 | HideMe | n/m |
| 17:21.07 | HideMe | :) |
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| 17:21.25 | karlpinc | sunbeam: You need to install emacs-goodies-el. |
| 17:21.40 | Guest42392 | hmm, it seems that GRUB2 can't boot if there are two similar RAID sets on a machine |
| 17:21.45 | sunbeam | gedit does have a tabbed view |
| 17:21.48 | Guest42392 | oops |
| 17:21.54 | sunbeam | but it doesn't allow to make text smaller which totally sucks |
| 17:21.55 | jelly-home | define similar |
| 17:22.06 | sunbeam | and misses a million other handy keystrokes hotclciks |
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| 17:22.32 | thewanderer1 | so how does one boot with two RAID sets? I had two (md/0) listed in GRUB rescue shell, which seems strange |
| 17:23.21 | born2troll | somiaj, i found i quite different .asoundrc on slackware tutorials... shall i paste it to you? |
| 17:25.08 | somiaj | born2troll: I really don't know asoundrc that well (I use a hardware mixing sound card). But yes you will have to configure dmix if you want software mixing. There are various examples out there you can look at |
| 17:25.19 | born2troll | http://paste.debian.net/162892/ somiaj |
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| 17:26.00 | somiaj | you can try that, again I'm unsure if that will override the default dmix settings in debian or not |
| 17:26.39 | somiaj | born2troll: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Sound#ALSA_configuration -- an example of a dmix .asoundrc file I found |
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| 17:28.37 | thewanderer1 | apart from bindmounts, is there anything that could make rm -rf'ing a Debian chroot extremely dangerous? |
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| 17:29.30 | somiaj | thewanderer1: I can't think of anything by default....I've done it a few times (though if you ever put in hardlinks and the likes it could be trouble). (: |
| 17:29.32 | born2troll | somiaj, ill try that one next... looks pretty good |
| 17:29.56 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: hard links to directories? uhuh :D |
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| 17:30.54 | somiaj | thewanderer1: but I have done just that to a few chroots and never had any issue (again the obvious make sure you unmount your /home or what ever other things you hid inside the chroot) |
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| 17:31.26 | thewanderer1 | ok |
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| 17:32.06 | bookmark | hi |
| 17:32.20 | bookmark | does anyone know if i need some runtime package to run an sdl application? |
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| 17:32.45 | Lint | libsdl |
| 17:33.08 | bookmark | E: Unable to locate package libsdl |
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| 17:33.33 | somiaj | bookmark: apt-cache search libsdl |
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| 17:34.24 | somiaj | looks like the base package is libsdl1.2debian |
| 17:34.28 | somiaj | (well at least on sid) |
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| 17:34.57 | bookmark | ok i have that already installed |
| 17:35.04 | FrostofSparta | What would be the best way to utilize the usb control on my Battery Backup with my Debian Server. I would want it to send me an e-mail/text if it lost power and shut down. |
| 17:35.15 | faustische | http://pastebin.ca/2135087 : After attempting to install the Nvidia driver (the .run binary) and removing packages while the root partition was 100% full, I get this error while issuing any apt command. |
| 17:35.25 | faustische | I have freed up space in the root partition |
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| 17:35.39 | bookmark | Thanks all |
| 17:35.49 | faustische | I have googled the error messages but I have been unable to pinpoint the problem |
| 17:36.23 | faustische | Any ideas? |
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| 17:37.29 | JasonWoof | how do I get evince to stop opening up the thumbnail column all the time? |
| 17:37.33 | JasonWoof | I never ever want to see it |
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| 17:38.04 | JasonWoof | I've tried the "save current settings as default" thing several times |
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| 17:38.56 | faustische | insserv: There is a loop at service rmnologin if started |
| 17:39.07 | faustische | the system also reports dependency problems |
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| 17:39.57 | born2troll | somiaj, that .asoundrc i pasted you workes like a miracle! u should give it a shot! |
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| 17:40.07 | jhutchins_wk | faustische: You didn't post the error aptitude is giving you. |
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| 17:43.06 | jhutchins_wk | faustische: Did you fsck the disk? |
| 17:43.36 | somiaj | born2troll: I just have no need for it (I use hardware mixing sound cards)....I just know dmix was what you wanted. (: |
| 17:43.52 | faustische | jhutchins_wk, yes, I did |
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| 17:44.16 | faustische | jhutchins_wk, the system did it automatically |
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| 17:45.03 | Iridos | somiaj, isn't dmix on by default now? |
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| 17:45.26 | Iridos | we had that only yesterday... |
| 17:45.37 | born2troll | somiaj, sorry i never tried your suggestion... your one was next on my list. In fact its called .asoundrc_next in my ~ but i dont dare changeing a bit right now :S |
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| 17:46.04 | somiaj | Iridos: if you want to configure alsa to use say sound card 2 as the default and you write a simple .asoundrc file to do this, you disable the default settings (Thus disabiling dmix) |
| 17:46.27 | somiaj | born2troll: oh you used that simple config file that you pasted from slackware? |
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| 17:47.52 | somiaj | I should rember that, because it would be nice to have a simple way to change the default sound card without disabling the default dmix settings |
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| 17:49.51 | born2troll | somiaj, yes... i dont know what to say... everything works :D |
| 17:50.06 | somiaj | well good, I will maybe look into those options. (: |
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| 17:52.30 | thewanderer1 | is there perhaps a way to realign misaligned partitions? i.e. they are not on 4K boundaries at the moment - or should they start at sector 1? |
| 17:53.30 | born2troll | somiaj, thx anyway... i felt like hunting a shadow in the dark and you where the guy who showed me in what room it is hiding :P |
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| 17:55.34 | Lns | thewanderer1, have you looked at gparted? |
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| 17:56.34 | TuRnaD0 | OMG i am getting crezy here :P google is my freind, yes? but google dos not understand what i meen :P i need to delete a file and rm -rf command dos not work :P it's a ini file |
| 17:56.35 | thewanderer1 | Lns, the GUI tool? nope, no GUI here. I know parted can move/resize partitions, but would it help in case I have RAID partitions and LVM embedded in them? |
| 17:56.37 | TuRnaD0 | help please |
| 17:56.52 | thewanderer1 | TuRnaD0, what error message are you getting? |
| 17:56.58 | DasEi | TuRnaD0: repeat your question ? |
| 17:58.16 | DasEi | thewanderer1: gparted, as said, on the UNmounted drive, and re-check uuids in fstab afterwards, backup important dats beforehand |
| 17:58.19 | TuRnaD0 | thewanderer1, absaloutly nothing :P no message o_O |
| 17:59.11 | jelly-home | TuRnaD0: was it you that configured this system or someone else? Which Debian release is it? |
| 17:59.26 | thewanderer1 | DasEi, is it even possible to resize mdraid partitions and LVM PVs? |
| 18:00.12 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: yes to the latter. Yes with the same caveats as other partition resizing for the former. |
| 18:00.39 | jelly-home | does gparted know how to do it? NFC |
| 18:00.44 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 18:00.46 | DasEi | thewanderer1: yes, it is |
| 18:00.57 | thewanderer1 | okay, let's ask parted |
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| 18:01.22 | ries | hello! What proxy DNS deamon should I install if I just want to speedup local DNS resolutions? |
| 18:01.31 | jelly-home | one can, however, point gparted to /dev/md0 from the command line instead of it enumerating just the physical devices |
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| 18:03.07 | TuRnaD0 | jelly-home yes, i configured it, and i used Debian 6.0.4 and used netinstall in terminal |
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| 18:04.12 | CampinSam | Ok, so, I'm running a dual-boot with windows 7, and a borked ubuntu on my main desktop. I've downloaded cd1, for debian stable, and put it on a usb with unetbootin, using hdmediax64. Can I easily overwrite both windoze and ubuntu from the debian graphical installer, and get a clean system that way? |
| 18:05.45 | jelly-home | TuRnaD0: please pastebin the outputs of "ls -ld /path/to/your/file.ini", "df /path/to/your/file.ini", "lsattr /path/to/your/file.ini" and "cat /proc/mounts" |
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| 18:06.01 | FDFlock | CampinSam: yes |
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| 18:06.06 | jelly-home | !tekk TuRnaD0 about paste |
| 18:06.10 | jelly-home | !tell TuRnaD0 about paste |
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| 18:06.28 | CampinSam | FDFlock: sweet. |
| 18:06.34 | FDFlock | CampinSam: I'd choose the text-mode installer, though, in "expert mode" (sounds scary, but it isn't) |
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| 18:06.48 | CampinSam | FDFlock: why? just curious. |
| 18:06.57 | thewanderer1 | ries, dnsmasq? |
| 18:07.18 | ries | let me try that |
| 18:07.38 | FDFlock | CampinSam: it's actually the same, but I like the more "spartan" environment; it conveys a sense of robustness and reliability, that's all! |
| 18:07.42 | jelly-home | ries: which app are you running? Is the machine online the whole time or intermittently offline? |
| 18:07.49 | FDFlock | It's still the very same (excellent) installer |
| 18:08.19 | ries | jelly-home: it's a VM to test glassfish clustering. I experience slow connection and response time and my suspicion is DNS resolving |
| 18:08.22 | CampinSam | FDFlock: mmm.. well, I imagine the gui installer would be slightly easier, yes? I'm just looking for a rather quick install, so I can get in, and compile my wireless drivers. |
| 18:08.44 | FDFlock | CampinSam: not really, it's exaxtly the same, try both and you'll see |
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| 18:09.20 | CampinSam | FDFlock: interesting, would there happen too be any screencasts that you know? saw one for the graphical installer. |
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| 18:09.42 | FDFlock | CampinSam: BTW in "expert mode" there are some useful options; if you don't know what to change, leave the defaults and it'll do the same as the non-expert mode |
| 18:10.33 | FDFlock | "any screencasts that you know" -> not at this moment |
| 18:10.45 | FDFlock | really has to be AFK for a while |
| 18:10.53 | CampinSam | I see. |
| 18:11.03 | CampinSam | Well, thanks for the quick answers. |
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| 18:13.16 | sunbeam | how can I make the font size smaller in just 1 debian terminal window? |
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| 18:13.39 | kevlarman | sunbeam: which terminal? |
| 18:13.43 | jelly-home | ries: hm. Personally I like dnscache (package dnscache-run) for heavy users (eg. mail servers w/ RBL enabled) but it's absent from Debian 6. pdns-recursor is ok as well, but be careful about its RAM usage. |
| 18:14.29 | jelly-home | ries: on a smaller scale, unscd may be good enough _if_ your app is using the resolver library and not doing DNS lookups on its own |
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| 18:15.02 | ries | it's just to see right now if it's a DNS issue, I 'think I have filled in my hosts.conf correctly with order hosts,bind |
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| 18:15.29 | ries | and filled in all the needed items in hosts.conf, so it 'should' work… so I am not 100% sure yet if it's DNS related… so just testing :) |
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| 18:19.38 | jelly-home | unscd, then |
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| 18:20.57 | jelly-home | ries: and you might want to read and take a look at nsswitch.conf as wel |
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| 18:21.41 | ries | jelly-home: Ahh yes… |
| 18:21.43 | jelly-home | enabled avahi ("mdns") and ipv6 can cause resolver delays |
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| 18:22.40 | ries | jelly-home: it shows hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 18:23.01 | Kotus | how to run .jar |
| 18:23.08 | jelly-home | ries: does a simple "getent hosts google.com" also show a delay? |
| 18:23.13 | ries | koisoke: java -jar <jarname>.jar |
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| 18:23.19 | Kotus | ok!@ |
| 18:23.47 | ries | jelly-home: hard to measure… but not seconds.. |
| 18:24.13 | ries | less then a second, but not 'instant' |
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| 18:24.35 | MARCOSCARS02 | july|2: jeje |
| 18:24.43 | MARCOSCARS02 | july|2: helow xDD |
| 18:24.47 | ries | jelly-home: this goes instant : getent hosts 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:24.57 | july|2 | jajaja |
| 18:25.08 | ries | this shows a slight delay : getent hosts rvt.local |
| 18:25.17 | july|2 | pa todo en ingles |
| 18:25.21 | july|2 | me muero marc |
| 18:25.23 | MARCOSCARS02 | july|2: sí |
| 18:25.29 | MARCOSCARS02 | july|2: jaja asi practicas XD |
| 18:25.30 | jelly-home | !es |
| 18:25.31 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 18:25.33 | july|2 | no se ingles |
| 18:25.39 | MARCOSCARS02 | july|2: si pones -esjeje |
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| 18:26.00 | july|2 | si me voy a español |
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| 18:27.51 | jelly-home | ries: can you pastebin the output of "strace -tt -TT getent hosts rvt.local" |
| 18:27.55 | irule | hi, I have a "Communication controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem (rev 01)" and would like to make it work in a new linux with kernel 3.0.0-12-generic-pae , is this possible? |
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| 18:28.20 | jelly-home | !tell irule about hsf |
| 18:28.32 | jelly-home | !tell irule about ubuntu |
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| 18:29.21 | ries | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/n25NjXk9 |
| 18:29.36 | linux-ninja | is there a way to get the latest debian reference in PDF...all I see is the HTML version on the site |
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| 18:31.01 | sunbeam | how can I make the font size smaller in just 1 debian terminal window? |
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| 18:31.09 | gnugr | linux-ninja: apt-get install debian-reference-en |
| 18:31.26 | ries | jelly-home: I think what I need to that the resolver first looks in /etc/hosts |
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| 18:31.52 | ries | jelly-home: that's why I added order hosts,bind to /etc/host.conf |
| 18:31.56 | linux-ninja | gnugr, I want to have a PDF version so I can carry around in my IPAD |
| 18:32.15 | linux-ninja | I found a few online but they appear outdated, 2007 downwar |
| 18:32.21 | jelly-home | ries: wipe your host.conf, it's supposed to do that by default. What are you using the ".local" domain? |
| 18:32.26 | jelly-home | Why* |
| 18:32.48 | ries | jelly-home: because it's all local to my own computer and VM's |
| 18:32.52 | jelly-home | ries: .local is reserved for avahi/zeroconf/mdns usage |
| 18:33.08 | ries | jelly-home: Ahhh…. let me change that then..... |
| 18:33.09 | jelly-home | ries: pick something else if you can, anything but .local |
| 18:33.25 | ries | hahah… ok ….. amazing that I had to pick that :) |
| 18:34.13 | jelly-home | yeah, you weren't the only one to make that mistake, so did Microsoft in their default AD configurations :-| |
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| 18:34.54 | gnugr | linux-ninja:look for Rafael Hertzog's debian handbook, i think it is ready (google it) |
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| 18:43.34 | linux-ninja | gnugr, the book is not ready yet |
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| 18:48.56 | gnugr | linux-ninja: if you install debian-reference-en you can get it as "gzipped" if that helps you |
| 18:49.16 | linux-ninja | gnugr, I really want a PDF for the IPAD and read on the go |
| 18:49.51 | gnugr | as pdf exists only a chapter of debian handbook |
| 18:49.52 | linux-ninja | The debian reference is HTML that is on the site is great, too bad they don't provide a PDf or EPUB |
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| 18:50.43 | raptor67682 | hello world |
| 18:50.53 | linux-ninja | gnugr, where is the PDF you mentioned |
| 18:51.06 | gnugr | http://debian-handbook.info/blog/ |
| 18:51.11 | raptor67682 | a question, how to dd wiht "dd if=/dev/sdc | gzip -c9 > sshfs/backup.gz" with a PROGRESS BAR (like wget) ? |
| 18:51.35 | raptor67682 | maybe with PV (monitor pipe) ? |
| 18:51.46 | july|2 | raptor67682: hi |
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| 18:52.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps if i wanted to make .deb files to push out my changes for my server where is the info located at to do this? |
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| 18:53.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i found it |
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| 18:54.20 | linux-ninja | gnugr, I will work with the HTML while the book gets ready |
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| 18:54.22 | linux-ninja | Thanks |
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| 18:56.30 | CampinSam | Hey real quick, just too make sure, I can install debian easily enough without any internet, right? |
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| 18:58.40 | gnugr | CampinSam:yes you can install debian without internet with getting netinstall netinst.iso |
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| 18:59.58 | CampinSam | gnugr: uhh.. sorry? the 'cd1' iso for amd64, will that work just the same? |
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| 19:00.33 | gnugr | i think not, only netinstal can do that |
| 19:00.41 | gnugr | netinstall* |
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| 19:01.12 | CampinSam | gnugr: I meant hdmedia and stuff.. But what is so different, isn't netinstall smaller? |
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| 19:01.22 | gnugr | checking it |
| 19:01.46 | ries | jelly-home: Made all the changes in the VM's and my own computer… result it still the same... |
| 19:02.05 | ries | I am going to look for a other reason… |
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| 19:05.07 | gnugr | CampingSam: i found this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 19:06.33 | CampinSam | gnugr: mmmmm... I've already got my usb with debian hdmediax64 on it, from unetbootin.. Just wanting too make sure that will work, otherwise, I'm not sure what you're getting at. |
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| 19:07.20 | gnugr | well, yes you can try this minimal install |
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| 19:20.42 | boudiccas | ,versions vnstat |
| 19:20.43 | judd | Package: vnstat on i386 -- lenny: 1.6-1; squeeze: 1.10-1; sid: 1.11-1; wheezy: 1.11-1 |
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| 19:29.02 | fulgor | how can i reappear the default notification area on the top right corner. Gnome stable |
| 19:29.15 | fulgor | how is it labeled |
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| 19:37.08 | kleanchap | In /etc/fstab, what are <dump> and <pass>. These are the last two items for each file system configuration line. |
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| 19:39.37 | timo | kleanchap: 'man fstab' has a good explanation of them |
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| 19:42.05 | fulgor | which is the bar located to right on default with the active connections? |
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| 19:46.51 | gele | hello, i'm trying to install plymouth on squeeze. i've followed these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
| 19:47.24 | gele | but every time i reboot i see the same text output, no graphical stuff. strangely enough, i do see the animation while the computer is shutting down for reboot. |
| 19:47.33 | gele | any idea what's wrong? |
| 19:47.50 | gele | i do have the 'splash' option in every kernel option line in grub.cfg, i checked that. |
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| 19:50.42 | gnugr | gale: edit /etc/default/grub to modify following those instructions |
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| 19:51.05 | gele | gnugr: i did. |
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| 19:51.20 | boudiccas | i'm keen to try out wheezy but dont want to lose my squeeze setup or have to reinstall it again. so cna i install it into a VM? |
| 19:51.25 | boudiccas | can |
| 19:51.32 | fulgor | which is the bar located to right on default with the active connections? |
| 19:51.33 | gele | and after running update-grub2 i had that option in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. that's what i meant. |
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| 19:51.54 | gele | boudiccas: yes, but gnome3 won't work in a vm. |
| 19:52.13 | boudiccas | gele, damn, i wanted to use gnome. k, thanks |
| 19:52.31 | gele | boudiccas: well, it will "work", but it will use the fallback shell, not the new fancy one. |
| 19:52.43 | DaveNull | ? |
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| 19:52.53 | mjt | what's needed for gnome shell to work? |
| 19:52.53 | gnugr | gele:as root you did "update-grub"? |
| 19:53.00 | gele | gnugr: yes. |
| 19:53.04 | mjt | just compositing extensions or something else? |
| 19:53.04 | DaveNull | Gnome3 works perfectly well in a vm |
| 19:53.17 | mjt | it depends on the vm i guess |
| 19:53.22 | boudiccas | k, if i want to use kde how do i go about it please? is there naywhere in the wiki which will guide me through setting it up? |
| 19:53.27 | DaveNull | yes... Virtualbox is ok |
| 19:53.41 | gele | DaveNull: ok, it didn't when i tried it in qemu-kvm. |
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| 19:53.52 | gnugr | gele: and you can't boot at all now? |
| 19:54.05 | DaveNull | qemu forces you to use Fallback, yes |
| 19:54.09 | mjt | and it depends on the settings of the vm too, i guess |
| 19:54.17 | gele | gnugr: i can boot, i just don't get any splash. i see the usual init text output. |
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| 19:54.29 | mjt | f.e. i don't see a reason why it should fall back with qemu & spice |
| 19:55.36 | boudiccas | does this mean that i have two choices? quemu or virtualbox? |
| 19:55.42 | DaveNull | because Gnome needs compositing |
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| 19:55.55 | DaveNull | no, if you want real gnome, you have no choice |
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| 19:56.17 | DaveNull | Virtual Box + Virtual box guest additions in the guest |
| 19:56.29 | boudiccas | DaveNull, so if i want real gnome i must use virtualbox then? |
| 19:56.34 | DaveNull | yep |
| 19:56.43 | mjt | what's wrong with qemu in this context DaveNull ? |
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| 19:56.44 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 19:56.47 | gnugr | gele:does it looks like this"GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"? |
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| 19:57.15 | gele | gnugr: yep. |
| 19:57.20 | DaveNull | mjt: it seems that qemu only allow fallback mode |
| 19:57.30 | mjt | do you know _why_ ? :) |
| 19:57.40 | boudiccas | DaveNull, i have 127gig left on my h/d, is that enough for installing wheezy in virtualbox please? |
| 19:57.40 | DaveNull | but i don't know : i'm using VB :) |
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| 19:57.53 | mjt | i as qemu-kvm maintainer want to know, but i guess i'll have to check myself :) |
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| 19:58.15 | DaveNull | boudiccas, i've installed Sid in a 16G virtual box |
| 19:58.19 | gele | boudiccas: that's plenty. the installer recommends 6gb for the /usr partition by default. |
| 19:58.23 | DaveNull | so, yes, it's far enough |
| 19:58.34 | gele | though you can get away with half that if you want. |
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| 19:58.45 | boudiccas | DaveNull, thanks, i might well try it then |
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| 19:59.13 | fulgor | anyone know how to reappear the notification tray which is by default on the top right in debian stable - gnome 2.30 |
| 19:59.25 | DaveNull | and dont forget to install virtualbox-guest-additions in your virtual Wheezy |
| 20:00.01 | gele | fulgor: right-click panel -> "Add to panel" -> choose "Notification area". |
| 20:00.10 | boudiccas | DaveNull, what will they do please? |
| 20:00.21 | fulgor | thats it? |
| 20:00.27 | gele | fulgor: it should be. |
| 20:00.30 | DaveNull | vb-guest additions install a module that emulate a graphic card |
| 20:00.33 | fulgor | the tray with the connections and wifi |
| 20:00.38 | gele | fulgor: yes. |
| 20:00.40 | fulgor | and battery ect |
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| 20:00.41 | fulgor | ok |
| 20:00.47 | boudiccas | ah, right, thank you |
| 20:01.01 | DaveNull | (and other things... but the graphic card is the key for Gnome) |
| 20:01.07 | gele | does virtualbox support kvm? |
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| 20:03.19 | fulgor | the square with the blue cyrcle and the big i in it? |
| 20:03.44 | jacobw | gele: what do you mean? |
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| 20:09.13 | SuperNull | hey guys, Anyone have experience with iperf not changing bandwidth when doing udp ? |
| 20:09.39 | fulgor | ok |
| 20:09.41 | fulgor | did that |
| 20:09.52 | fulgor | but networkmanager isnot in that tray |
| 20:10.48 | jacobw | SuperNull: changing bandwidth? |
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| 20:16.33 | sunbeam | I would like to remove a dir called .svn in all subdirs of the dir I am in |
| 20:16.35 | sunbeam | how can I best do this? |
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| 20:17.39 | bazi | < find . -iname ".svn" -type d -delete > , maybe? |
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| 20:19.09 | sunbeam | wow that was easy sorry |
| 20:19.26 | bazi | did it work? |
| 20:19.27 | n1x4 | Sup guys.. I have debian installed on an ARM device and was wondering how do I remove a device before shutdown/reboot automatically. Right now I have to 'sudo rm /dev/rtc0' manually because when I wrote a script and put it in /etc/rc6.d named S10rmdev or K10rmdev it just wouldn't work.. Didn't execute soon enough.. |
| 20:19.36 | sunbeam | bazi: sec |
| 20:19.50 | sunbeam | bazi: no |
| 20:19.54 | bazi | eh im not sure about this, maybe you wait for a better answer |
| 20:19.57 | bazi | ojk |
| 20:19.58 | sunbeam | sudo find . -iname ".svn" -type d -delete |
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| 20:20.06 | sunbeam | find: `.': Permission denied |
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| 20:20.50 | bazi | ah |
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| 20:21.15 | brasouli | what would be the Debian equivalent to portaudit (8) on FreeBSD? |
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| 20:22.10 | n1x4 | anyone? |
| 20:22.17 | bazi | sunbeam, http://www.softpanorama.org/Tools/Find/using_exec_option_and_xargs_in_find.shtml |
| 20:22.23 | bazi | use exec to rm -r |
| 20:22.44 | n1x4 | still doesn't work man... |
| 20:22.51 | n1x4 | not executing soon enough |
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| 20:23.40 | boudiccas | what is 'ccl' which is running as root and using all my cpi cycles please? |
| 20:23.57 | bazi | n1x4, exec was related to sunbeam |
| 20:24.12 | n1x4 | Ahh, my bad |
| 20:24.27 | n1x4 | so i take it no one has any clue then uh |
| 20:24.27 | CampinSam | anyone know where I can download the build-essential packages? |
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| 20:25.06 | bazi | guys, do you know if CIFS caches directory rights in remote directories? We tried to connect a directory and using a subdirectory for each user, but the ownership+rights of the remote folders dont change on the client |
| 20:25.10 | boudiccas | okay, ccl has gone now, but what was it? |
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| 20:27.04 | n1x4 | No wonder I still use Arch... |
| 20:28.57 | mactimes | n1x4 I was just reading backwards what your issue was, and, in fact, was about to give you a reply. |
| 20:29.44 | n1x4 | meh... got it |
| 20:29.48 | n1x4 | thanks though |
| 20:30.00 | n1x4 | took too long for you'll to figure it out |
| 20:32.51 | mactimes | CampinSam man aptitude --> _download_ section |
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| 20:35.13 | geever | hi |
| 20:35.51 | boudiccas | to create a virtual machine on my system does it require me to reformat my current h/d or will it carve some of it out for its usage please? this is my firsttime at using a vm so i'm not sure what i'm doing and would welcome any url you have to teach me the right way of doing vm things |
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| 20:36.22 | n1x4 | Wow..... Just ............WOW... |
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| 20:36.42 | mactimes | CampinSam You can also download and install the virtual package and use aptoncd |
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| 20:36.51 | geever | For a project I need SDL and libjpeg8. libjpeg8 is in conflict with the SDL in Squeeze. Do you have a solution for it? |
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| 20:37.49 | mactimes | boudiccas Try VirtualBox |
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| 20:38.26 | mactimes | boudiccas Default options will provide you with a file, containing a virtual disk for the virtual machine. |
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| 20:38.46 | boudiccas | mactimes, i am trying to use virtualbox but dont want to have toreformat my h/d |
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| 20:39.12 | dondelelcaro | geever: uh... doesn't seem to conflict to me... |
| 20:39.41 | mactimes | boudiccas Would you mind reading my reply to you, again, slowly, and see if you REALLY understood what I meant to tell you? |
| 20:39.49 | aguitel | i am in kde testing right now ,anyway to remove kde and install xfce ? |
| 20:39.57 | dondelelcaro | geever: in fact, I have both installed. |
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| 20:40.07 | geever | dondelelcaro, If I install libjpeg8-dev, it removes all sdl libs as sdl-image is linked to libjpeg62... |
| 20:40.41 | boudiccas | mactimes, i saw your first reply recommending virtualbox, but did not see your second, more comprehensive reply. |
| 20:40.54 | geever | removing libjpeg62 wants to remove the half system.... |
| 20:41.01 | mactimes | boudiccas Ok. So now you know. =) |
| 20:41.03 | kevlarman | dondelelcaro: same issue here, i can't have both sdl headers and jpeg6 headers at the same time :( |
| 20:41.15 | DaveNull | boudiccas, don't worry... Just give the size you want to reserve for your Guest... |
| 20:41.33 | kevlarman | (i have one thing that only builds with sdl headers around, and another that only builds with jpeg6 headers around) |
| 20:41.52 | boudiccas | DaveNull, k, thanks, i just dont want to lose data because of it |
| 20:42.04 | DaveNull | When you will install the new OS in the virtual box, "entire disk" means "the virtual space" |
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| 20:42.36 | DaveNull | so, you cannot (afaik) erase any data from your host |
| 20:42.42 | boudiccas | DaveNull, ah right, thanks |
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| 20:43.30 | dondelelcaro | geever, kevlarman: ah; it looks like the version of libsdl in stable is only meant to be compiled against libjpeg6c2; you'll have to use the version from unstable which supports libjpeg8 |
| 20:43.46 | dondelelcaro | geever, kevlarman: I'm not sure if libjpeg uses symbol versioning, which is why that doesn't already work |
| 20:44.14 | geever | why the hell... |
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| 20:44.35 | kevlarman | dondelelcaro: jpeg62/8 can coexist, but their headers can't |
| 20:45.04 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: the libraries can, but you may not be able to link against both in the same program |
| 20:45.05 | seanjean718 | hi all, I was anyone have ran into the error from mount: "wrong fs type or bad option or bad superblock on /dev/sda1". I think a power outage might have caused this. I did dumpe2fs /dev/sda1, I got "Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1" Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. Now I'm not sure what to do. |
| 20:45.13 | seanjean718 | Help! thanks! |
| 20:45.23 | kevlarman | dondelelcaro: no program would do that |
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| 20:46.09 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: actually, it would... |
| 20:46.23 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: happens all the time |
| 20:47.19 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: and what you're proposing to do, building against libjpeg8 and the version of libsdl in Debian is a classic example of how to have it happen |
| 20:48.19 | kevlarman | dondelelcaro: nono, i have 2 separate programs i contribute to and therefore have to be able to build |
| 20:48.39 | kevlarman | one of them requires libsdl headers |
| 20:48.46 | kevlarman | the other require libjpeg6 headers |
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| 20:49.00 | unkn-error | Hello! |
| 20:49.11 | unkn-error | what is the total number of packages in debian? |
| 20:49.13 | boudiccas | okay, i've created my VM of wheezy, how do I install it to the VM please? |
| 20:49.16 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: ah; yeah, that happens. One of the many reasons why I build in chroots |
| 20:49.21 | kevlarman | dondelelcaro: for some reason the sdl headers pull in the jpeg8 headers |
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| 20:49.24 | dondelelcaro | unkn-error: more then 28000 source packages |
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| 20:49.33 | mactimes | seanjean718 Do you know what the original FS is? ext2/3/4 or anything else? |
| 20:50.00 | unkn-error | thank you! |
| 20:50.08 | seanjean718 | mactimes, yes its JFS |
| 20:50.23 | seanjean718 | mactimes, I forgot to mention it was for mounting my raid array |
| 20:50.44 | mactimes | unkn-error http://packages.debian.org/stable/ Feel free to count. =] |
| 20:50.46 | kevlarman | dondelelcaro: so i'd need some sort of caching apt server? |
| 20:51.11 | seanjean718 | mactimes, it doesn't seem like I can recover the back superblocks ... I was wondering if I could just create new filesystems and remount the array on those systems and everything would be recovered |
| 20:51.16 | mactimes | seanjean718 First question: Do you know how RAID works, right? |
| 20:51.29 | seanjean718 | mactimes, yes |
| 20:51.36 | kevlarman | because i'm kinda dangerously close to the amount of bandwidth where comcrap starts sending me nasty letters :( |
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| 20:51.47 | mactimes | seanjean718 Hardware or software RAID? |
| 20:51.53 | seanjean718 | mactimes, its hardware raid |
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| 20:52.28 | mactimes | seanjean718 Have you changed hardware RAID configuration after having the system installed? |
| 20:52.43 | seanjean718 | mactime, no, not at all, |
| 20:53.12 | seanjean718 | mactimes, its been fine ... except this time..the only thing I can trace back to is recently power failure at the facility that my machine is hosted in |
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| 20:54.12 | mactimes | seanjean718 AFAIK, while dealing with the onboard hardware RAID controller, it should be transparent to the OS. |
| 20:54.35 | mactimes | seanjean718 Is the BIOS the one providing you with this message or Debian is doing so? |
| 20:54.44 | seanjean718 | mactimes, its debian |
| 20:55.16 | mactimes | seanjean718 Do you have any spare disks to test your controller while keeping your data safe? |
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| 20:55.36 | seanjean718 | mactimes, there is nothing wrong with the raid bios...if I do tw_cli (the tool to talk to the raid controller) I can see all my disks recognized. I just can't mount them on the existing devices |
| 20:55.52 | seanjean718 | mactimes, |
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| 20:56.06 | seanjean718 | mactimes, no, I actually JUST replaced this controller not too long ago |
| 20:56.29 | seanjean718 | mactimes, I have 24 disks in there and its all filled with data. |
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| 20:57.02 | mactimes | seanjean718 make a try with 'mount -r -t file_system_here /dev/yourpartitionhere /mnt' |
| 20:57.24 | seanjean718 | mactimes, I'm doing a jfs_fsck with -n |
| 20:57.32 | seanjean718 | mactimes, I'll cancel it |
| 20:57.35 | mactimes | seanjean718 Nope. |
| 20:57.50 | seanjean718 | mactimes, nope what? |
| 20:57.55 | mactimes | seanjean718 Let it run. |
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| 20:58.06 | seanjean718 | its going to be a while..I have 40 TB there |
| 20:58.16 | mactimes | seanjean718 See if it finds any fixable issues in the file system. |
| 20:58.26 | mactimes | seanjean718 ok. |
| 20:58.33 | seanjean718 | mactimes, how long would it take to run 40 TB |
| 20:58.57 | seanjean718 | mactimes, ah I should have backgrounded it.. I asked to not repair just list errors |
| 20:58.58 | jancsika | hello. on my secondary hd, how do I keep nautilus from putting deleted files in a hidden trash folder that resides on the secondary drive? |
| 20:59.03 | mactimes | seanjean718 Then cancel it and make it a try with the mount... REMEMBER the '-r' option, to mount it as READ-ONLY, just to make sure it will mount. |
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| 20:59.39 | sunbeam | what i don't like is that on debian you cannot get the same scrolling when pressing the mouse wheel behavior as in windows |
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| 20:59.42 | sunbeam | is there some way to make this possible? |
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| 21:00.05 | mactimes | seanjean718 If you can mount it fine, I'd recommend you make backups prior to trying and making fixes on those disks. |
| 21:00.11 | mactimes | seanjean718 Just to be safe. |
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| 21:00.28 | seanjean718 | mactimes, ok. I guess you've dealt with this before? |
| 21:00.54 | mactimes | seanjean718 And I think you know, but it's never too much a reminder on this. DON'T fsck mounted disks. |
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| 21:01.43 | mactimes | seanjean718 I usually run soft RAID. I prefer not relying on the hardware for that. |
| 21:01.44 | seanjean718 | mactimes, wow that seems to have worked ! |
| 21:01.54 | mactimes | seanjean718 Good. Now BACK IT UP. |
| 21:01.57 | seanjean718 | mactimes, so it works with read only |
| 21:02.03 | mactimes | seanjean718 =] |
| 21:02.15 | seanjean718 | mactimes, that's not possible to get 40TB |
| 21:02.29 | mactimes | seanjean718 Make backups, then unmount it and fsck your partitions. |
| 21:02.54 | seanjean718 | ok |
| 21:03.08 | seanjean718 | mactimes, then after I fsck the partitions, what happens, pray that the fsck fixes the problems? |
| 21:03.26 | mactimes | seanjean718 It will take a while, but you'd probably lose most of your data will be lost (if not all of it). |
| 21:03.38 | mactimes | seanjean718 Well, it will probably fix everything. |
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| 21:04.26 | mactimes | seanjean718 But since the problem has been caused by a power outage, it is not really simple math. That's unpredictable. |
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| 21:05.24 | mactimes | seanjean718 There is a good chance everything will go back to normal. But since you got plenty data there (and seems important, otherwise I think you'd have already kicked all data and set up RAID again), it's best taking the safe road. |
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| 21:05.49 | mactimes | seanjean718 ... instead of relying on pure luck. |(^_^)| |
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| 21:06.54 | aguitel | i am removing kde and will install xfce ,how to start xfce ? |
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| 21:07.11 | mactimes | aguitel Using gdm? |
| 21:07.38 | mactimes | aguitel If I recall it right, there is a selector on gdm for you to pick which one you want to start. |
| 21:07.40 | aguitel | mactimes, i remove kdm |
| 21:07.47 | aPpYe | Not sure where to begin diagnosing this problem. Remmina sourceforge site is unresponsive atm. I use Remmina to control RDP and VNC servers, and a recent update has made font scaling look really bad. Hard to describe, the interpolation of a scaled desktops does not look right. |
| 21:09.10 | mactimes | aguitel startx ? |
| 21:09.55 | aguitel | or gdm kdm or xdm |
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| 21:10.19 | mactimes | aguitel Got it? |
| 21:10.28 | aguitel | yes i will back |
| 21:10.34 | mactimes | aguitel Good. |
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| 21:11.35 | jancsika | is there a way to tell my secondary (internal) hd to put deleted files in the same trash folder as stuff on the main hd? I think it's ~/.local/share/Trash |
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| 21:13.55 | mactimes | jancsika Know how to use a console? |
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| 21:14.36 | jancsika | mactimes: yes |
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| 21:15.11 | mactimes | jancsika Cool. I think there probably are other options. From the top of my head, right now, make a hard link. |
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| 21:15.36 | mactimes | jancsika man ln |
| 21:16.18 | geever | hi, it's me again, seems I can't install testing's sdl either to solve the sdl <-> jpeg8 compatibility issue: http://pastebin.com/DV3vUw3w |
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| 21:16.20 | mactimes | jancsika Try with a soft link first. It may do what you want. |
| 21:16.24 | aguitel | mactimes, i installed xdm to start xfce ,but how make autologin ? |
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| 21:17.03 | jancsika | mactimes: so I would make the link on the secondary hd, right? It has a folder named .Trash-1000, and I assume this name is static (at least I hope so) |
| 21:17.14 | mactimes | aguitel You'll probably find autologin info in the /etc/default/xfce or something like it, or in /etc/ directory. |
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| 21:17.34 | aguitel | mactimes, ok |
| 21:17.38 | linux-ninja | debian is facinating, I have been using it for three days and I think is an awesome system. I also found my favorite service management utility chckconfig in it. Awesome! |
| 21:17.39 | mactimes | aguitel Not sure about that. |
| 21:17.56 | mactimes | aguitel Oh, wait. I think that's on xdm configs. |
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| 21:18.24 | mactimes | aguitel There will be something like 'autologin' = no / autologinusername or sort of that. |
| 21:19.23 | mactimes | jancsika Well, I wouldn't _assume_ anything if I were you. Just go and check. Then check 'man ln'. You'll find the correct syntax and options there. |
| 21:19.44 | TheAvatar | does X11 or tightvncserver not take into account, that you might have more than 100 simultaneous displays?! |
| 21:19.50 | mactimes | jancsika Like I said, try with a soft link first. Only use the hard link option if the soft link doesn't do it. |
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| 21:22.46 | boudiccas | can i install squeeze to a wheezy VM and then upgrade the squeeze to wheezy please? does that make sense? |
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| 21:23.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | no it doesn't |
| 21:23.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | what do you mean squeeze to a wheezy vm? |
| 21:24.32 | boudiccas | i have created a VM called wheezy but havnt installed an OS to it yet. i want to install sqeeze on it and then upgrade it to wheezy |
| 21:24.59 | boudiccas | is it do able please? |
| 21:25.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
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| 21:28.36 | jancsika | mactimes: hm, soft link didn't work. hard link didn't either-- told me it's not allowed for directories |
| 21:28.43 | linux-ninja | what is replacing /etc/init.d/interfaces since it is complaining that the script is depricated? |
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| 21:30.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | linux-ninja: 'it' is? |
| 21:30.48 | phogg | jancsika: define "didn't work" |
| 21:32.39 | phogg | never heard of /etc/init.d/interfaces |
| 21:32.41 | sunbeam | what i don't like is that on debian you cannot get the same scrolling when pressing the mouse wheel behavior as in windows |
| 21:32.44 | sunbeam | is there some way to make this possible? |
| 21:33.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | linux-ninja: what debian version(s) are we dealing with here? |
| 21:33.29 | jancsika | phogg: first I tried deleting the .Trash-1000 dir and making it a symlink with "ln -s ~/.local/share/Trash .Trash-1000" |
| 21:35.00 | jancsika | phogg: when deleting, Nautilus obvious wasn't accepting the symlink because it prompted me that I can't move it to trash, but do I want to delete permanently instead-- actually that's better than moving it to the hidden trash :) |
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| 21:35.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm guessing thats a freedesktop configured setting |
| 21:36.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | and that it'll abuse your symlinks if it feels so |
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| 21:36.21 | linux-ninja | Kamping_Kaiser, sorry I meant networking...;-) |
| 21:36.23 | jancsika | phogg: then I tried keeping the .Trash-1000 folder and making symlinks to the subdirs "expunged", "files", and "info" to their counterparts in my home dir. same problem. |
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| 21:38.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | jancsika: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/trash-spec |
| 21:38.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | jancsika: no way to configure trash targets :| |
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| 21:38.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | linux-ninja: then i'm guessing 'networking' is the replacement script. without more info we can't help a great deal though |
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| 21:41.05 | phogg | jancsika: try linking with full paths on both sides, or test that the link works otherwise. |
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| 21:41.25 | phogg | jancsika: actually, wait. Is that directory on gvfs or your filesystem? |
| 21:41.48 | jancsika | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks. |
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| 21:42.09 | jancsika | phogg: hm, i don't know... |
| 21:42.28 | jancsika | phogg: how do i tell |
| 21:42.44 | phogg | not totally sure |
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| 21:43.50 | jancsika | phogg: i'm accessing the secondary hd in the console from /media/foo |
| 21:44.03 | jancsika | that's where it's mounted |
| 21:45.03 | jancsika | phogg: what i don't understand is how nautilus even knows it's following a symlink, and why that would make it complain |
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| 21:51.48 | jancsika | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, it says in the spec that it MUST check to make sure it's not a symlink. I guess for security reasons? |
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| 21:52.46 | jhutchins_wk | Can someone tell me a public ntpdate server? |
| 21:53.06 | Dulak | ntp.nasa.gov |
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| 21:54.25 | streuner | jhutchins_wk: ntp.nasa.gov is good, i use it for my needs |
| 21:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | Must be firewalled. |
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| 21:55.15 | streuner | jhutchins_wk: nah |
| 21:56.06 | streuner | amset:/# ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov |
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| 21:56.06 | streuner | 11 Apr 23:55:54 ntpdate[5487]: step time server 198.123.30.132 offset 1.980850 sec |
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| 21:56.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | ntp.on.net, although its considerably closer to me then you *g* |
| 21:56.59 | jancsika | thanks for the help everyone! |
| 21:57.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | jancsika: i suspect for consistancy |
| 21:57.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | jancsika: but i still think its silly |
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| 21:59.03 | Dulak | jancsika: It's to avoid someone slipping a symlink in and you not knowing about it. What you thought was one place is really another, etc. |
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| 22:01.43 | jancsika | Dulak: The main problem is that because trash is a hidden directory, nautilus "reveals" it for the user's home trash, in the form on an icon. but it doesn't give you an icon for secondary hd trash. this is esp. bad for removable media trash-- quick google search shows a lot of confused users wondering why their thumbdrives are full when they deleted everything from the fm |
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| 22:02.50 | Dulak | jancsika: Yes it's not that great of a system, I have had that issue myself, having to replug a usb drive and empty system trash to clear the space is annoying. |
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| 22:03.57 | jancsika | Dulak: is there a place to make a feature request for nautilus? I don't see a channel here for it, and I never get a reply to anything in #gnome |
| 22:04.03 | LV-426 | google was kind enough to answer my question on how to add port forwarding to an active ssh session, thought I'd share: http://tinyurl.com/cgzqgp9 |
| 22:04.13 | phogg | jancsika: file a bug report |
| 22:04.20 | Dulak | jancsika: Just clarifying why it won't follow a symlink, it's supposed to be a form of security, but in reality if they can place a symlink they can place a hard link, and it should follow a hard link just fine. |
| 22:04.52 | phogg | jancsika: https://bugzilla.gnome.org |
| 22:05.00 | jancsika | Dulak: but i can't get a hardlink to the other drive |
| 22:05.02 | kevlarman | Dulak: most filesystems can't have hard linked folders |
| 22:05.27 | kevlarman | (and if they can, they require root to create) |
| 22:06.19 | jancsika | phogg: thanks, i'll see if anything like that's been reported, and if not file a report... |
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| 22:06.46 | phogg | kevlarman: is it a FS feature? I thought it was a general Linux feature. |
| 22:07.07 | kevlarman | phogg: hard linkes are an fs feature |
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| 22:07.24 | phogg | kevlarman: hard linked directories aka "bind mounts" are not |
| 22:07.30 | phogg | or rather, are not only |
| 22:07.39 | kevlarman | phogg: a bind mount is not the same as a hard link |
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| 22:07.52 | jordanm | directories can not be hard linked |
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| 22:08.43 | kevlarman | jordanm: some versions of ln let you try (with the warning that the kernel will probably refuse anyway) |
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| 22:09.09 | phogg | jordanm: not in most nix FSes, true |
| 22:10.54 | seanjean718 | mactimes, thanks so much .... |
| 22:11.31 | jordanm | phogg: I am pretty sure linux's VFS does not allow it all, and I am not aware of any other OS's that allow it either |
| 22:11.37 | jordanm | phogg: do you know of any? |
| 22:12.00 | jordanm | actually, i just found HFS supports it |
| 22:12.17 | phogg | jordanm: ntfs |
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| 22:13.46 | phogg | jordanm: takes the form of "Junction points" |
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| 22:14.41 | jordanm | phogg: I was just reading that, but wikipedia refers to function points as symbolic links |
| 22:14.47 | jordanm | juntion |
| 22:15.13 | kevlarman | jordanm: iirc they act a bit like unionfs as well |
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| 22:20.37 | alex- | Which firewal rule do I have to open for mysql? |
| 22:20.42 | alex- | UDP or TCP ? |
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| 22:22.20 | thewanderer1 | is my laptop waking up from suspend when really low on battery a "feature" of Debian or a funky ACPI? |
| 22:22.31 | kevlarman | alex-: mysql uses tcp |
| 22:22.41 | alex- | wikipedia says udp and tcp |
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| 22:22.47 | alex- | That's why it's confusing |
| 22:22.51 | alex- | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers |
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| 22:27.37 | andornaut | Hi, Im attempting to install debian testing. The grub install failed, so I restarted in rescue mode and ran grub-install from the rescue console. When I boot up it drops me to a grub> prompt. I can do: linux (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-3.2.0-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda2, but I get a file not found error when trying to do initrd (hd0,1)/initrd (i also tried initrd-3.2.0-2-amd64) Is there any way to do a dir listing from grub so i can see what the filena |
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| 22:28.17 | phogg | andornaut: sort of. Try tab completion |
| 22:28.45 | phogg | andornaut: while editing the initrd line type initrd /<tab><tab> |
| 22:28.56 | andornaut | phogg: ah, cool, i'll give it a shot (rebooting now) |
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| 22:29.46 | phogg | andornaut: you may have to say (hd0,1)/<tab> if you're just in the shell |
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| 22:30.56 | mkl37 | hi, i have a problem with nm-applet and its privileges |
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| 22:31.28 | andornaut | well I made it further. Now, I'm sitting at a (initramfs) prompt |
| 22:31.29 | mkl37 | if i run it from console, when i do something with it, it says he doesn't have privileges |
| 22:32.14 | mkl37 | i use debian wheezy 64 and openbox |
| 22:32.25 | alex- | What is a better way to prevent mysql timeout? Clientside or serverside? |
| 22:32.44 | mkl37 | and i have the problem since an update |
| 22:32.52 | andornaut | nvm, set the root option wrong, was able to boot up now, thanks phogg |
| 22:33.21 | phogg | andornaut: no problem, I've been in your shoes too many times |
| 22:33.27 | alex- | What is a better way to prevent SSH timeout? Clientside or serverside? |
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| 22:39.31 | andornaut | So, my root filesystem is mounted read only b/c the system tried to run fsck.btrfs on boot which is (obviously) missing ... |
| 22:39.37 | andornaut | and mount -r / doesn't work |
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| 22:40.22 | andornaut | nvm =) mount -n -o remount works |
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| 22:44.30 | andornaut | so, looks like wheezy may have a broken grub (would explain why my wheezy install failed). I read a blog post that recommended getting grub-pc from squeeze until this is fixed, is that advisable? |
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| 22:47.58 | thewanderer1 | andornaut: boot-related stuff is usually better in stable, yes |
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| 22:48.54 | andornaut | thewanderer1: k thx |
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| 22:50.57 | thewanderer1 | alex-: SSH does not timeout on its own. if anything, it may be a funky firewall in the middle. I've had SSH sessions run for days. |
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| 22:51.10 | alex- | strange |
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| 22:51.37 | thewanderer1 | many commercial (i.e. non-Linux) routers have this "feature" - notably, Linksys |
| 22:51.56 | andornaut | think i picked a bad time to try to install wheezy... I'm getting a "post-installation script" error for initramfs-tools, which is preventing me from installing anything else (apt-get -f install fails) |
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| 22:52.35 | thewanderer1 | andornaut: don't try to fix everything at once, go at it one by one :P |
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| 22:53.58 | andornaut | thewanderer1: well, i cant install grub (at least through the repository) b/c update-initramfs script is not found |
| 22:54.33 | thewanderer1 | andornaut: not found? |
| 22:54.38 | andornaut | yep |
| 22:54.45 | thewanderer1 | ,file update-initramfs |
| 22:54.50 | judd | Search for update-initramfs in squeeze/i386: dracut: usr/sbin/dracut-update-initramfs; initramfs-tools: usr/sbin/update-initramfs |
| 22:55.22 | andornaut | thewanderer1: weird, it *is* there |
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| 22:55.48 | thewanderer1 | maybe a PATH issue? |
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| 22:56.01 | andornaut | apt-get-f install yeeilds: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure): ... /var/..../initramfs-tools.postinst: update-initramfs: not found |
| 22:56.08 | sunbeam | i got a dir with 20 files called xxx.inc.php |
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| 22:56.10 | sunbeam | where xxx is a include name |
| 22:56.13 | sunbeam | i would like to get all the names of these, and only xxx (so no .inc.php) |
| 22:56.15 | sunbeam | how can I do this in bash? |
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| 22:56.38 | thewanderer1 | sunbeam: man basename |
| 22:56.50 | andornaut | thewanderer1: it was a path issue... thanks =) |
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| 22:57.16 | andornaut | thewanderer1: still, pretty weird that i'd only have /sbin:/bin:/usr/bin in my path |
| 22:57.23 | andornaut | (fresh install of wheezy) |
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| 22:57.52 | thewanderer1 | andornaut: weird indeed, see if the bashrc is sane |
| 22:57.55 | sanitypassing | how can I add a second monitor to my xorg.conf? |
| 22:58.35 | andornaut | thewanderer1: it is |
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| 23:00.17 | thewanderer1 | andornaut: hmm, which one is? the one that gets sourced? |
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| 23:01.14 | educr0w | I don't understand apt-get, I just want to install 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel' and that command wants to install all xserver-xorg-video-* and all xserver-xorg-input-*, etc, how can I just install what I want?? |
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| 23:03.18 | scientes | EduardeCalibal, if you include xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
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| 23:03.22 | scientes | then it will work |
| 23:03.30 | scientes | in the same line as the thing that requires xorg server |
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| 23:04.24 | thewanderer1 | actually, apt-get is a bit wacky - sometimes selects a suboptimal dependency |
| 23:04.28 | scientes | has done it with video-fbdev |
| 23:04.50 | moujik | Hi! i run debian sqeeze xfce . I have a monitor with native resolution 1920x1080. How can I enlarge all the icons? |
| 23:05.03 | educr0w | do you mean apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-input-evdev ? |
| 23:05.28 | mekeor | moujik: please consult #xfce |
| 23:05.43 | sephii | where does Debian set the size of the /tmp partition? I have nothing set in my fstab but df shows /tmp as a tmpfs of 421M |
| 23:06.00 | moujik | Alternatively, what DE Wm allows me to do so? |
| 23:06.07 | kevlarman | sephii: it should be in fstab |
| 23:06.08 | scientes | sephii, tmpfs is maxed by half of physical ram by default |
| 23:06.22 | thewanderer1 | sephii: are you on Squeeze? |
| 23:06.40 | educr0w | what happen with thunar for example? apt-get install thunar wants to install hal and hal-something that is now a dependecie |
| 23:06.41 | sephii | i'm running testing |
| 23:06.48 | educr0w | is not* |
| 23:06.56 | sephii | (and I have 2GB of ram) |
| 23:07.06 | mekeor | moujik: well, GNOME 3 hasn't any desktop-icons at all ;) |
| 23:07.30 | thewanderer1 | sephii: this should be managed by init scripts now |
| 23:07.41 | mekeor | moujik: but i'm sure XFCE can solve your problem. just join #xfce an ask there. |
| 23:07.47 | scientes | ..it should be handled by systemd |
| 23:08.01 | thewanderer1 | educr0w: maybe it's a Recommends? |
| 23:08.05 | moujik | makeor: sorry I meant light weight. I asked at #xfce |
| 23:08.15 | thewanderer1 | scientes: Debian does not use systemd by default, so init scripts |
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| 23:08.34 | sephii | so where can I change this default? should I simply add it in my fstab? |
| 23:08.43 | kevlarman | yup |
| 23:09.39 | educr0w | thewanderer1: I don't know, sorry, I'm new to debian, should I install everything ? |
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| 23:10.14 | mekeor | moujik: actually, most light-weight WMs don't have a certain/own file-manager (and thus "desktop"). |
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| 23:10.31 | thewanderer1 | educr0w: well, Recommended packages are usually needed for getting full functionality, so it's probably a good idea, yes |
| 23:10.59 | sephii | I'll try that, thanks |
| 23:11.09 | thewanderer1 | sephii: grep -d recurse TMPFS_SIZE /etc/init.d |
| 23:11.18 | educr0w | thewanderer1: ok, thank you! |
| 23:12.07 | thewanderer1 | well, at least I think that's it :P |
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| 23:12.32 | moujik | makeor: I had a look at crunchbang, and if you right click a menu pops up, but very small |
| 23:12.50 | mekeor | moujik: my nick is mekeor. mEkeor. howbeit. |
| 23:13.24 | mekeor | moujik: openbox. crunchbang uses openbox. |
| 23:13.32 | mekeor | moujik: you can also try fluxbox. |
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| 23:16.01 | moujik | mekeor: sorry I can't see what I'm typing. I don't know how to do it in openbox or fluxbox, that's why I'm asking, maybe someone has gone through the same issue |
| 23:17.52 | andornaut | thewanderer1: my $PATH was wrong, b/c I was in the shell you get dumped too when fsck fails. I edited fstab to tell it to *not* try to fsck btrfs (obviously) and rebooted, then checked my $PATH, and it is what you'd expect |
| 23:18.32 | thewanderer1 | andornaut: aha, problem solved :P |
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| 23:19.00 | andornaut | thewanderer1: haha yea. been a long day =) |
| 23:19.18 | mekeor | currently, an application needs root-privileges to accesss to port 80. can i make it accessable for a whole other user-group or so? |
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| 23:20.04 | moujik | Basically, I want a light weight system, where say watching flash iin browser works, and I can learn more when I want not to trying to get the next thing to work |
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| 23:20.16 | thewanderer1 | sephii: oops, I actually made a mistake in searching for the /run mounter. it's triggered early in the initramfs |
| 23:20.22 | thewanderer1 | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init:mount -t tmpfs -o "nosuid,size=20%,mode=0755" tmpfs /run |
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| 23:21.01 | thewanderer1 | then it's moved before pivot_root |
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| 23:25.30 | _lei_ | hi everybody ... i have a problem with i915 and X under squeeze maybe anyone knows what to do --> http://pastebin.com/gHiCna76 |
| 23:26.39 | thewanderer1 | _lei_: "domU"? |
| 23:26.50 | _lei_ | ja |
| 23:27.11 | _lei_ | mach nen passthrough |
| 23:27.22 | _lei_ | oh sorry |
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| 23:27.30 | _lei_ | yes... i do a pci passthrough |
| 23:27.51 | thewanderer1 | okay, then it's clearly not working as intended :P |
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| 23:28.13 | _lei_ | why? |
| 23:28.58 | _lei_ | lspci gives me good output and in dom0 the driver seems to be correctly "hidden" |
| 23:30.42 | thewanderer1 | judging by the mailing list, it's a pretty involved process, and unlikely to work at the first attempt: |
| 23:31.03 | thewanderer1 | http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2011-10/msg01101.html |
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| 23:31.12 | _lei_ | well i would be happy for a few "debugging" hints |
| 23:31.43 | _lei_ | i am pretty new to linux and have no clue how to proceed ... |
| 23:31.56 | thewanderer1 | try the newest kernel and Xen that you can |
| 23:32.10 | _lei_ | well at least "pretty new" for xen and that xorg and passthrough |
| 23:32.29 | _lei_ | Linux Komar-domU 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 22 21:14:26 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:33.21 | thewanderer1 | the guys there tested it with 3.1 and still had issues - 2.6.32 is ancient compared to that |
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| 23:34.17 | thewanderer1 | I have no experience with VGA passthrough personally, but what I have managed to glean from reading docs seems to suggest that it takes much more than just passing the device over via PCI to get this to work |
| 23:34.28 | thewanderer1 | (video BIOS is one notable example of where it could go wrong) |
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| 23:43.13 | bk | I am wondering what is better, or more desirable, on Debian. Xen or KVM? Or what does it run the best in? |
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| 23:56.55 | thewanderer1 | bk: definitely KVM |
| 23:58.26 | bk | thewanderer1: why do you say that? |
| 23:59.17 | thewanderer1 | bk: I run KVM on a daily basis, it's much easier to set up, no need to run special kernels (= less bugs), and I often see major screwups related more or less to Xen in this channel |
| 23:59.34 | bk | i see |
| 23:59.39 | CrazyGir | yea, there's no real reason to run xen in my mind |
| 23:59.45 | CrazyGir | not anymore, kvm just works |
| 23:59.49 | CrazyGir | and works well |
| 23:59.56 | bk | I am asking because I have the option in the vps world :P |
