| 00:00.26 | LV-426 | bk, you could also use libvirt as a buffer allowing you to switch if necessary |
| 00:00.42 | thewanderer1 | well, no real difference from the user's point of view - KVM has been observed to be faster in data processing, but that might have been biased |
| 00:01.01 | thewanderer1 | oh, and it uses a real bootloader unlike Xen's PyGrub or sth like that |
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| 00:01.22 | thewanderer1 | the "less of a kludge" deal works for me |
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| 00:02.01 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: xen requires special kernels? |
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| 00:02.22 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: i thought that wasn't needed if you had hardware support (which kvm requires anyway) |
| 00:04.31 | bk | Thanks for the feedback guys :) (and gals?) |
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| 00:06.11 | thewanderer1 | kevlarman: DomU is simple, yes, but Dom0 is an ungodly mess |
| 00:07.19 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: domu is also somewhat capable of 3d isn't it? |
| 00:07.54 | thewanderer1 | kevlarman: <_lei_> hi everybody ... i have a problem with i915 and X under squeeze maybe anyone knows what to do --> http://pastebin.com/gHiCna76 |
| 00:08.15 | thewanderer1 | ↑ was actually a Xen VGA passthrough problem - it didn't work. so yes, "somewhat". |
| 00:08.31 | kevlarman | i looked at how kvm does 3d and decided my next vm is not going to be kvm |
| 00:09.03 | thewanderer1 | VirtualGL? eh :P |
| 00:09.17 | thewanderer1 | perhaps SPICE will remedy things |
| 00:09.25 | _lei_ | its a GMA 3150 |
| 00:09.28 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: if there's vnc involved, you're doing something horribly wrong :( |
| 00:09.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah well |
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| 00:10.17 | thewanderer1 | _lei_: I'd seek help in a Xen-specific channel if I were you - they're more likely to know what to do |
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| 00:12.21 | _lei_ | thanks for the hint |
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| 00:23.06 | ross` | is there a default log file that shows logins |
| 00:23.19 | thewanderer1 | ross`: well, /var/log/auth.log |
| 00:23.53 | ross` | something that shows less information |
| 00:23.59 | ross` | similar to last |
| 00:25.45 | thewanderer1 | wtmp stores that, but it's not much of a log |
| 00:26.05 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you can extract this information from auth.log |
| 00:26.11 | boudiccas | hey thats prety neat, never knew about 'last ' before |
| 00:26.16 | boudiccas | pretty |
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| 00:30.29 | krisfremen | umm... |
| 00:30.31 | linux-ninja | could having a gateway in an alias interface bring consequences? I noticed that the networking service complaint a bit but work when using this procedure? |
| 00:30.34 | krisfremen | this is weird.. |
| 00:30.36 | krisfremen | my swap is full |
| 00:30.40 | krisfremen | I mean totally full |
| 00:30.55 | krisfremen | but I still have about 7 gigs of ram free, why is this happening? |
| 00:31.03 | krisfremen | Mem: 16469736k total, 9560180k used, 6909556k free, 32096k buffers |
| 00:31.03 | krisfremen | Swap: 1316856k total, 1315888k used, 968k free, 4363244k cached |
| 00:31.19 | krisfremen | can anyone explain this to me please? and how can I reduce swap usage? |
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| 00:32.33 | LV-426 | use top > O > p to see process swap use, perhaps it will offer a clue |
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| 00:33.53 | krisfremen | oh wow.. wtf.. chromium? |
| 00:34.07 | krisfremen | thanks LV-426 |
| 00:35.10 | LV-426 | krisfremen, plenty of other reasons to switch to firefox, but feel free to make swap usage yours ;] |
| 00:35.44 | krisfremen | I do use firefox.. |
| 00:36.00 | krisfremen | I used chromium to test something out.. and it went on to consume all swap |
| 00:36.02 | krisfremen | go figure |
| 00:36.04 | krisfremen | only 3 tabs |
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| 00:36.34 | krisfremen | is there a way to clear up swap? |
| 00:37.22 | krisfremen | Swap: 1316856k total, 1315884k used, 972k free, 5723084k cached |
| 00:37.29 | krisfremen | cached is still going up.. should that worry me? |
| 00:37.47 | iz | maybe try chromium -purge-memory-button |
| 00:37.55 | krisfremen | chromium is closed.. |
| 00:37.57 | krisfremen | linux swap |
| 00:38.31 | LV-426 | try this: swapoff -a && swapon -a ; make sure you have enough free mem before. |
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| 00:38.52 | iz | do you still have a bunch of stuff open consuming memory? |
| 00:39.39 | krisfremen | I have 16 gigs of ram.. I mean.. none of it is being used pretty much |
| 00:39.39 | LV-426 | wouldn't mind to learn about a more elegant ( i.e per process ) approach ... |
| 00:39.40 | iz | also there is a swapiness proc setting |
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| 00:40.11 | iz | and also.. if you have 16 gigs of ram.. do you really even need swap? |
| 00:40.51 | ari__ | iz: asked myself the same thing |
| 00:40.55 | krisfremen | I only have it in case there's an emergency |
| 00:41.01 | ari__ | ;) |
| 00:41.07 | ari__ | what might that be? |
| 00:41.13 | iz | krisfremen: just turn off swap, imho |
| 00:41.15 | ari__ | but yeah.... one never knows 4 sure |
| 00:41.19 | krisfremen | accidentally running 2-3 vms at the same time |
| 00:41.21 | iz | if you have 16g of ram and you are barely using it |
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| 00:41.54 | krisfremen | Swap: 311520k total, 311520k used, 0k free, 7404040k cached |
| 00:41.59 | iz | would you rather have it tell you that you can't turn on the 3rd vm? or have it swap to disk and slow down everything when you try to start that 3rd VM? |
| 00:42.00 | krisfremen | cached is still going up :S |
| 00:42.07 | LV-426 | wonders if you could mount a ramfs & have it act like a swap partition |
| 00:42.37 | ari__ | restart? :D -> lol |
| 00:42.58 | krisfremen | I have stuff running that I can't really quit :/ |
| 00:43.11 | krisfremen | it's not cpu or memory consuming.. just time consuming |
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| 00:44.36 | krisfremen | what is causing cached to go up? |
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| 00:44.45 | krisfremen | can top measure what apps are causing it? |
| 00:46.25 | krisfremen | I guess it's normal then.. |
| 00:46.30 | krisfremen | I've just never noticed it that high up |
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| 00:48.59 | krisfremen | thanks guys |
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| 00:52.12 | debianx | Hi, i want to remove ALL OF lxde and install awesome, whats the best way to do this? |
| 00:53.27 | dvs | !remove lxde |
| 00:53.34 | dvs | Oh, we need that |
| 00:54.41 | debianx | so i do !remove lxde or not? |
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| 01:04.16 | boudiccas | ,versions rhythmbox |
| 01:04.17 | judd | Package: rhythmbox on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.6-1; squeeze: 0.12.8-3; sid: 2.96-3; wheezy: 2.96-3 |
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| 01:19.38 | tekzilla | its not possible to use sshfs with the normal 'mount' right ? |
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| 01:21.33 | fluxspace | Hi, im wondering what is the best lightweight desktop environment, ive used LXDE. But id like something even lighter. Im currently in fluxbox |
| 01:22.13 | Patsantre | tekzilla, possible but you have to provide own /sbin/mount.sshfs |
| 01:22.33 | Patsantre | fluxspace, look at dwm :) |
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| 01:22.43 | dvs | fvwm? |
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| 01:23.14 | fluxspace | ill look at both |
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| 01:23.45 | tekzilla | Patsantre: aah thanks very interesting, so thats how mount determines the supported filesystems |
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| 01:26.27 | linux2 | I'm trying to get timidity and jackd to work in harmony, but if jackd is running it prevents timidity from connecting to the ALSA default device since it is using the device. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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| 01:30.35 | fluxspace | linux2, do you need timidity? |
| 01:31.06 | gnarface | fluxspace: obviously or he wouldn't be bothering with it |
| 01:31.22 | linux2 | fluxspace, yeah. I'm trying to get it to work with rosegarden. |
| 01:31.57 | Patsantre | linux2, http://www.fail2fail.com/index.php?archives/22-English.html&serendipity[lang_selected]=en |
| 01:32.06 | gnarface | linux2: i've never done this before, but if jackd and timidity just both use alsa devices can't you just set them to both use plug:dmix ? |
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| 01:33.25 | linux2 | humm ok. I'll give that a try. Patsantre, thanks for the link. I'll use that asound.conf example and see if it works |
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| 01:34.27 | linux2 | gnarface, I don't have an asound.conf file yet, but I'm assuming that creating one at /etc/asound.conf should be ok? |
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| 01:36.12 | gnarface | linux2: yea but... what version of debian are you using by the way? in any relatively recent version of alsa, the 'default' device should be defaulted to 'plug:dmix' behavior anyway, so any alsa programs using 'default' *should* share by default, performance issues and driver bugs related to software mixing (if relevant to your hardware) aside |
| 01:36.41 | gnarface | linux2: maybe one of them is using 'hw:0,0' by default instead? |
| 01:36.49 | gnarface | linux2: and your card doesn't do hardware mixing? |
| 01:37.00 | boudiccas | ,versions timidity |
| 01:37.01 | judd | Package: timidity on i386 -- lenny: 2.13.2-20; squeeze: 2.13.2-39+b1; sid: 2.13.2-40; wheezy: 2.13.2-40 |
| 01:37.11 | gnarface | linux2: again, just guessing. i don't have any timidity or jack experience at all |
| 01:37.40 | sauvin | I've been having terrible trouble with iceweasel crashing after removing gnash and installing the flashplayer-nonfree (or whatever it was) because gnash was trying to bake my machine. Has anybody else seen this? |
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| 01:39.21 | linux2 | gnarface, humm ok. I'm on wheezy right now so I would think that it should default to plug:dmix. I have and HDA intel card and I'm not sure if it supports hardware mixing. |
| 01:39.40 | gnarface | linux2: it definitely does not. |
| 01:40.09 | gnarface | linux2: are you trying to record? |
| 01:40.18 | gnarface | linux2: don't forget about plug:dsnoop |
| 01:40.32 | linux2 | gnarface, not trying to record, just playback actually |
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| 15:10.31 | Ronis_BR | hi fellows |
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| 15:10.47 | Ronis_BR | banshee does not show system tray icon in XFCE, any ideas? |
| 15:11.01 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 15:11.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 starving dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:11.06 | raven737 | hi, quick question, i want to mount a folder from another debian system locally |
| 15:11.21 | raven737 | for example via cifs but without any links |
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| 15:11.29 | raven737 | is that possible? |
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| 15:12.14 | nsadmin | there is bind mounting |
| 15:12.17 | Ronis_BR | nevermind... |
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| 15:12.29 | Ronis_BR | the problem was between the keyboard and my chair :) |
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| 15:12.49 | EmleyMoor | thewanderer1: ... and watch as it all falls to bits again |
| 15:12.56 | raven737 | nsadmin: does that work remotely? |
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| 15:13.16 | raven737 | eh i guess not, but i could bind locally to a new fodler which i would then share, right? |
| 15:13.46 | nsadmin | let's clarify what you want first... I saw "local" and assumed you want to mount a dir on the same machine |
| 15:14.29 | raven737 | nsadmin: yes, sorry. I guess local would be ok. So if i use bind any links would be ignored/not shown? |
| 15:14.40 | nsadmin | there's a net block thing in the kernel; no idea how it works. also, you could try nfs... thirdly there's samba |
| 15:14.49 | thewanderer1 | EmleyMoor: well, you need to do routing on the NAT box anyway |
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| 15:15.03 | nsadmin | wait, what do you mean about no links? |
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| 15:15.36 | EmleyMoor | thewanderer1: I am investigating whether I need to bother - my new router might be able to work with it like my old one did |
| 15:16.27 | raven737 | nsadmin: ok we have a lot of symlinks and we want to run some file size logger over that path. we obviously don't want it to follow the links. |
| 15:17.26 | raven737 | nsadmin: this program is a windows program that accesses a file share (via samba). I tried to set follow symlinks = no in smb.conf but that did not work (even after restart) |
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| 15:19.59 | boston8372 | thx for ssh help guys ... worked |
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| 15:20.43 | mashed | does anyone actively use RPC or is is mostly dead? |
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| 15:21.45 | nsadmin | raven737, ok, that's a lot different from what I thought you wanted originally... one wrinkle here, is you're using a program running under windows, and windows doesn't understand enough about unix filesystems to do what you want |
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| 15:23.12 | raven737 | nsadmin: yes, i know. So i wanted to somehow make a samba share that simply hides any links. |
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| 15:24.11 | nsadmin | what I would think, is if the program that actually determines the size would run on the linux or other unix machine, and maybe use du with some options to come up with the number, and then transmit the number down the wire |
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| 15:25.27 | nsadmin | because something that is on a different platform wouldn't understand about links, and cound stuff twice, and etc. |
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| 15:26.23 | raven737 | nsadmin: yes. This app is called 'SpaceObserver' and apperently cost a lot of money so i should make it work (properly) with the linux shares :( |
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| 15:27.27 | nsadmin | maybe you could ask them if they provide a solution similar to the one I outlined, or something else that might work, or is willing to look into fixing the problem |
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| 15:29.09 | raven737 | nsadmin: ok i will heck. Thanks for the help! |
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| 15:31.43 | sorrymyeng | why wine compiling in that way: "gcc ... cpu_arm.o cpu_arm.c" "gcc ... cpu_ppc.o cpu_ppc.c"? why it does it for all processors? |
| 15:31.46 | nsadmin | raven737, it is certainly worth a conversation... for example if you can come up with a script that provided text lines like |
| 15:31.56 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.15 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.51 | nsadmin | and then send this file to the (expensive) app, perhaps that could be a workable solution |
| 15:33.06 | alteoma1900 | a debian squeeze box acts as a masq box with eth0 and eth1 via firehol. the setup is working. additional i want to route traffic for other lans to a vpn box(openvpn - which is also running). i have setup the routes and they work when firehol is disabled, but if i enable it, the routes stop working. how can i setup static routes in fireholes? |
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| 15:34.56 | thewanderer1 | how can I find all packages that I have installed from testing? |
| 15:35.17 | nsadmin | wouldn't that be all of them? |
| 15:35.29 | thewanderer1 | not here :) |
| 15:36.04 | nsadmin | maybe apt-cache policy <package> could be parsed |
| 15:36.26 | nsadmin | you'll have to see if it indicates what you need |
| 15:37.12 | thewanderer1 | right... looping through all of them :P |
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| 15:37.41 | nsadmin | you want to remove them? |
| 15:37.58 | thewanderer1 | rather downgrade |
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| 15:40.37 | nsadmin | remember that may not be possible for all packages; in particular, those packages that have data that have a different form on the newer, and has to be converted is an issue. reason, most times the downconverter is simply omitted, to the point it's never made |
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| 15:41.45 | thewanderer1 | I know - it's mostly libs and tools like init and wpasupplicant |
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| 15:43.02 | nsadmin | well you might do the following... |
| 15:43.54 | nsadmin | get a list of those packages by whatever means (as mentioned, apt-cache policy <pkgname> might have that info in some form) |
| 15:44.27 | thewanderer1 | I may have to come up with a apt-cache parser, indeed |
| 15:44.31 | nsadmin | then examine that list... try to determine if there is a data component that might be converted |
| 15:44.51 | nsadmin | well, an apt-cache policy parser |
| 15:45.00 | nsadmin | if that's what it is even |
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| 15:47.30 | especially-corn | hello, can anyone tell me why i don't have javac in my path if i have both open6jdk and open7jdk? |
| 15:47.42 | sunbeam | does anyone know how I can have the same mouse wheel behavior on debian as i have in windows? |
| 15:47.48 | sunbeam | so that i can scroll when i press it |
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| 15:48.44 | nsadmin | anyway... separate that list into two "partitions" of the original list, one for no data component, one for no data component. the latter list, you can just remove those packages and then feed the list to aptitude install (with sources.list pointing at the earlier dist) |
| 15:48.46 | thewanderer1 | sunbeam: scroll in what program? in Web browsers, it's a feature of the respective software AFAIK |
| 15:48.59 | sunbeam | in web browsers |
| 15:49.28 | sunbeam | thewanderer1: not possible in iceweasel, chrome |
| 15:49.37 | thewanderer1 | sunbeam: there's probably an extension which enables that |
| 15:49.44 | kqr | is it possible to get a sensible /proc populated on a pxe booted system? |
| 15:49.57 | thewanderer1 | kqr: what do you expect it to have? |
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| 15:50.12 | kqr | thewanderer1, well, /proc/partitions and /proc/mounts i guess would be a good start |
| 15:50.15 | sunbeam | thewanderer1: nice! |
| 15:50.15 | phuzion | Would removing nscd from a system break anything? |
| 15:50.16 | sunbeam | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.23 | phuzion | Or would it just result in a lot more DNS traffic coming out of the box? |
| 15:50.26 | nsadmin | and with the former list, you might have to handle each separately, noticing what data would be upconvierted and at least saving that data so that you can (at worst case, manually) convert it |
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| 15:50.39 | thewanderer1 | kqr: on my netbooted Debian, it looks quite sensible |
| 15:50.56 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: it'll work with the behaviour you described |
| 15:51.14 | kqr | thewanderer1, they don't exist on mine, which makes partimage sad |
| 15:51.23 | phuzion | thewanderer1: just more DNS traffic? |
| 15:51.28 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, now it could be that you have certain packages installed or certain sets of packages that paint you into a corner |
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| 15:51.47 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: yeah yeah, I just needed a list, I'll process it myself |
| 15:51.52 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: yes |
| 15:52.14 | thewanderer1 | kqr: /proc/mounts always exists - are you sure you have mounted /proc? O.o |
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| 15:52.46 | kqr | thewanderer1, procfs /proc tmpfs defaults 0 0 |
| 15:52.55 | kqr | thewanderer1, says my fstab |
| 15:53.04 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, also consider the possibility of just reinstalling debian... an extreme action of course... |
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| 15:53.20 | thewanderer1 | kqr: uhhh, it's not supposed to be tmpfs... -t proc |
| 15:53.32 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: it's in a usable state, still |
| 15:53.55 | nsadmin | ok, good enuf... |
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| 15:54.29 | kqr | thewanderer1, where does it keep the contents then? on ram by default? |
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| 15:55.05 | thewanderer1 | kqr: it is a virtual filesystem and you are supposed to mount it with type "proc", not tmpfs |
| 15:55.06 | kqr | thewanderer1, i need it to be diskless |
| 15:55.10 | kqr | okay |
| 15:55.40 | kqr | thewanderer1, should the line be |
| 15:55.40 | thewanderer1 | let me fetch an fstab from my diskless install... |
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| 15:55.49 | kqr | thewanderer1, yeah that'd be grand, really |
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| 15:55.55 | phuzion | thewanderer1: thanks. I've got a VPS with limited resources, I'm stripping out all non-essential services |
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| 15:56.08 | phuzion | So, nscd was consuming a few megs of RAM, and I wanted it gone if it wasn't gonna break anything |
| 15:56.13 | kqr | thewanderer1, as a side note, have you tried diskless installs with read-only /? |
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| 15:56.33 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: well, start with replacing rsyslog with something lighter |
| 15:56.47 | kqr | thewanderer1, i didn't quite manage that because Stuff wanted to write to /etc (stupid Stuff) |
| 15:56.47 | thewanderer1 | kqr: I run on ro /, some parts are aufs, others are tmpfs |
| 15:56.56 | thewanderer1 | I don't allow writing to /etc |
| 15:57.08 | thewanderer1 | if you have stuff doing that, tell it to stop :P |
| 15:57.11 | kqr | thewanderer1, doesn't Stuff complain about /etc/mtab? |
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| 15:57.21 | thewanderer1 | kqr: ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 15:57.34 | kqr | i had tons of problem booting because nothing wanted to mount without an mtab |
| 15:57.39 | kqr | oh |
| 15:57.42 | phuzion | thewanderer1: why no writing to /etc? |
| 15:57.42 | kqr | that's right |
| 15:57.49 | kqr | as soon as i have a proc |
| 15:58.12 | kqr | phuzion, if you have multiple computers running off of the same root, you don't want them tinkering with each others file systems |
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| 15:59.17 | phuzion | kqr: I have my own filesystem, nothing to worry about there |
| 15:59.39 | kqr | phuzion, then there's no problem of the same scale that i can think of |
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| 16:00.03 | phuzion | ok, cool |
| 16:00.09 | thewanderer1 | kqr: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6cfad7df/ is my fstab |
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| 16:00.24 | kqr | phuzion, i'm doing a massive ghosting, so i want to hook up 40 or so computers to the same switch and then run them off of the same file system |
| 16:00.33 | kqr | phuzion, then i expect them not to interfere with each other |
| 16:00.50 | kqr | thewanderer1, thanks a bunch, i'll see what i can find out |
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| 16:03.11 | phuzion | and wow, I just re-read what thewanderer1 was saying earlier, I thought he was talking to me, nevermind kqr |
| 16:03.25 | phuzion | thewanderer1: What would you recommend as a replacement for rsyslog? |
| 16:03.45 | kqr | phuzion, haha, no problem :D |
| 16:04.02 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: sysklogd is pretty small |
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| 16:04.05 | kqr | thewanderer1, but wait a minute |
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| 16:04.14 | kqr | thewanderer1, /proc isn't populated until the machine boots |
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| 16:04.33 | thewanderer1 | kqr: /proc is populated as soon as the kernel is started |
| 16:04.35 | kqr | thewanderer1, how am i supposed to symlink to /proc/mounts? |
| 16:04.49 | kqr | thewanderer1, can i just do a dead link and then when proc is populated it'll be used? |
| 16:04.56 | thewanderer1 | kqr: sure |
| 16:05.00 | ChrisH | phuzion: Not read all requirements you might have mentioned, but syslog-ng has fine options to for use at a sysloghost |
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| 16:05.05 | thewanderer1 | (especially applies if you are in a chroot) |
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| 16:05.31 | phuzion | ChrisH: I'd just like to reduce the amount of RAM everything is using, as I'm extremely limited on resources |
| 16:06.16 | nsadmin | I am trying to determine whether pkg-config honors PKG_CONFIG_PATH as the man page says it does... specifically, it's supposed to return the basename of the .pc file corresponding to the package the user wants as specified by the first parameter to pkg-config |
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| 16:11.42 | jkyle | if I need vlan trunking for network connectivity during install, how might I go about configuring that? |
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| 16:12.02 | acu | can anyone help me install a git program (it is to convert normal graphics files to pes - for embroidery) this PesConvert was made by Linus - but I do not know how to install it - here is the link - http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/pesconvert.git;a=summary |
| 16:14.27 | nsadmin | acu, I'd say, try to find out if this thing exists in debian |
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| 16:16.50 | nsadmin | it doesn't look like it's in squeeze... I just ran apt-cache search pesconvert and got no results |
| 16:18.03 | acu | nsadmin: thanks - I just did a search too - it seem that perhaps in sid - otherwise I should just compile it ? |
| 16:18.13 | babilen | acu: It has a Makefile that defines three targets. (pesconvert, update-mime and gnome-thumbnailer) -- The first is save to call and will compile the program. The latter two make changes to the system for which you have to be root -- Not sure if those are needed, but take a look yourself and decide. |
| 16:18.20 | nsadmin | yeah, seems that way |
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| 16:19.07 | babilen | acu: I wouldn't necessarily call update-mime and gnome-thumbnailer unless you have to |
| 16:19.48 | nsadmin | it would be much better (if you determine you have to do it) to find out what they do first, in detail |
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| 16:23.09 | cactusbin | sup bros |
| 16:24.31 | nsadmin | so that you can do it in a way that uses the debian tools so you can keep your debian installation happy (if that[s what you want... I invite you to notice, if it's not happy, things usually snowball) |
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| 16:32.02 | acu | nsadmin and babilen - I am trying to compile from the latest snapshot http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/pesconvert.git;a=summary --- when I do make - and I get this error - gcc -Wall -g -c -o png.o png.c - --- png.c:3:17: fatal error: png.h: No such file or directory --- compilation terminated. make: *** [png.o] Error 1 - can anyone help |
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| 16:32.48 | sorrymyeng | if i stop "make", it will start from the begining on the next run? |
| 16:33.16 | acu | !make |
| 16:33.17 | dpkg | well, make is a tool to build your project. The dependencies to build your project is specified usually in a Makefile. Makefile may have targets, which can be invoked by make targetname, e.g. make love. For more, man make. See also <makefile>. |
| 16:33.39 | acu | !make clean |
| 16:33.40 | dpkg | sweeps acu under the carpet |
| 16:33.52 | babilen | acu: Works fine here ("make pesconvert" that is) -- Do you have build-essential installed? What exact command are you running and what is the error? (→ http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 16:34.10 | babilen | acu: It doesn't define a clean target and please stop playing with the bot. |
| 16:34.20 | Escherial | hey, i'm having kind of a hard time upgrading to python 2.7, which i desperately need for a project at work :\ |
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| 16:34.41 | acu | !paste |
| 16:34.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 16:34.57 | babilen | sorrymyeng: It will do whatever is necessary to satisfy the outstanding goals -- If some are satisfied already they will not be redone unless you clean them. |
| 16:34.59 | Escherial | i've tried and succeeded to get my box up to python 2.6 in the past, but my sources/installed packages are in such a weird state that i don't know if it's meaningful to say i'm on any particular version now |
| 16:35.17 | babilen | acu: Stop playing with the bot. |
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| 16:35.25 | sorrymyeng | babilen: thanks! |
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| 16:36.13 | nsadmin | acu, directly, that indicates a file (png.h) has not been found. Zooming out into c-knowledge-realm, this is a header file that is likely part of a larger collection of files, both headers and libs... so, taking all that into account, you need the lib package that includes those files. Debian splits this lib into at least two parts, one needed when a program using it runs, and one needed when a program wants to be built using it |
| 16:36.21 | babilen | Escherial: How are you upgrading? I would *strongly* recommend to *not* tamper with the system-wide installed Python (and in particular the default version) |
| 16:36.33 | nsadmin | the latter is where the png.h will be |
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| 16:36.56 | Escherial | babilen: ok, so assuming that i don't, how can i get python 2.7 somehow running on my machine? |
| 16:37.02 | babilen | Escherial: What exactly are you trying to achieve? Would a virtualenv (→ http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv) be an option? (You can install software there with pip) |
| 16:37.06 | somiaj | sorrymyeng: you will have to make sure you have all the required develment tools/libs installed. Also is this on a amd64 or i386 system? |
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| 16:37.07 | Escherial | formatting and reinstalling is an option, if need be :\ |
| 16:37.36 | nsadmin | Escherial, as extreme an action as that is |
| 16:37.40 | Escherial | babilen: i'm using virtualenv; the problem is that i generated a virtualenv on a machine running python 2.7, but it won't run on my home box that's running 2.6 |
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| 16:37.53 | babilen | Escherial: Well, you typically install it to /usr/local (use stow to manage that), and delete /usr/local/bin/python so it doesn't shadow the default "python" |
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| 16:38.25 | babilen | Escherial: In short: Don't use the package management system, but compile it yourself and make sure it ends up in /usr/local -- Read "/msg dpkg stow usage" |
| 16:38.27 | nsadmin | I think both pythons can be installed |
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| 16:38.48 | acu | babilen: I have build-essential installed - here is a paste - http://paste.debian.net/163012/ |
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| 16:39.06 | Escherial | alright; i'll try compiling and installing it myself, then...i imagine i'm going to have a lot of issues with not having the right dependencies, as i installed debian on this machine several years ago |
| 16:39.06 | acu | babilen: do you use squeeze |
| 16:39.16 | Escherial | i don't remember how to check the version... |
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| 16:39.25 | oskie | it seems I can't chmod g+s on a dir if my group does not own the directory. why is this? |
| 16:39.27 | babilen | nsadmin: I am not convinced that you can easily install python2.7 from wheezy/sid on squeeze. |
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| 16:40.36 | nsadmin | , versions python |
| 16:40.37 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
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| 16:40.44 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 16:40.53 | nsadmin | I agree |
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| 16:41.32 | babilen | Escherial: you can install the build-dependencies of python2.6 with "aptitude build-dep python2.6" -- That should cover most. You can also take a look at the Debian package for 2.7 -- http://alioth.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-python/python-defaults-debian/annotate/head:/debian/control |
| 16:41.34 | Escherial | does it help at all that /etc/debian_version contains 6.0.4? |
| 16:41.48 | babilen | Escherial: The configure step also informs you if something is missing |
| 16:41.48 | Escherial | babilen: ah, thanks, i'll take a look :) |
| 16:42.06 | Escherial | i'm just afraid that i'll spend half the day chasing down dependencies one by one, but we'll see, heh |
| 16:42.07 | nsadmin | that means you're running latest point release of squeeze |
| 16:42.41 | babilen | Escherial: it is not *that* hard -- IIRC the only thing I needed was some zip lib for ... what was it? the bz2 module or so?! |
| 16:43.09 | babilen | Escherial: sorry, it's been a while and I can't recall it. You'll be informed if something is missing though. |
| 16:43.23 | acu | babilen nsadmin - did you look at my paste - any hints ? |
| 16:43.28 | babilen | would start with python2.6's build-deps and take it from there. |
| 16:43.43 | babilen | acu: Not yet, otherwise I would have replied to you. |
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| 16:44.05 | babilen | acu: And no, I am not using squeeze, but sid. |
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| 16:45.11 | nsadmin | I didn't yet |
| 16:45.13 | babilen | acu: Please run "make pesconvert" not "make" ... same error? That also doesn't look like a git clone (git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/pesconvert.git |
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| 16:46.13 | babilen | acu: btw, make and gcc are depdencies of the build-essential metapackage so you don't have to install them explicitly |
| 16:47.24 | nsadmin | also, you should limit things you do as root at least on general principle |
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| 16:48.00 | acu | babilen - I am going to convert a virtual machine from wheezy do sid - if it is a git clone - I need to do something else ? - I did make pesconvert - the same message on Wheezy |
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| 16:49.13 | ParadoxG | How do I add man pages? I have some in $HOME/man that I want to be included. |
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| 16:49.21 | nsadmin | acu, does it support usere? |
| 16:49.23 | babilen | acu: http://paste.debian.net/163016/ |
| 16:49.26 | nsadmin | users |
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| 16:50.27 | babilen | ParadoxG: Set your MANPATH accordingly |
| 16:51.05 | thewanderer1 | "iwlist scan" shows a WPA2 AP with WEP-40 (?!) groupwise cipher and with no pairwise/auth available. what's going on? O.o |
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| 16:52.00 | ParadoxG | I did export it, and I can see it has the correct folder |
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| 16:52.34 | ParadoxG | If I type 'manpath' I get 'manpath: warning: $MANPATH set, ignoring /etc/manpath.config' |
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| 16:53.13 | mashed | wth iceweasel is still on v3 |
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| 16:53.20 | mashed | backports where art thou |
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| 16:54.14 | nsadmin | mashed, |
| 16:54.15 | kqr | anyone have any experience in getting an nfs client running in a diskless network booted debian (my nfs-common doesn't want to start because statd doesn't) |
| 16:54.23 | nsadmin | !iceweasel |
| 16:54.23 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced Firefox in Debian since Etch. Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, sse gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 16:54.26 | kqr | + a question mark i guess |
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| 16:57.20 | mashed | nsadmin: yeah im aware but does debian have any HTML5 compat browser |
| 16:57.42 | mashed | i thought if anything would be it would be iceweasel |
| 16:58.14 | nsadmin | there;s a whole repo that's not backports |
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| 16:58.27 | mashed | idd but they generally suck |
| 16:58.41 | mashed | badly crafted packages etc |
| 16:58.47 | thewanderer1 | kqr: well, why doesn't statd start? :P |
| 16:58.59 | nsadmin | found it |
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| 16:59.04 | nsadmin | mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:59.11 | kqr | thewanderer1, hell if i knew. do you have any idea where i should look to find out? |
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| 16:59.14 | thewanderer1 | kqr: hint hint: is your "lo" interface up? if you forget about lo, strange things will happen |
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| 17:00.06 | mashed | nsadmin: doing that no |
| 17:00.07 | mashed | now |
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| 17:00.15 | kqr | thewanderer1, yeah, lo is up |
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| 17:02.03 | thewanderer1 | kqr: if you are running off NFS root, you don't need statd at boot time as this is handled by the kernel - at what stage are you experiencing the failure? |
| 17:02.41 | kqr | thewanderer1, i want one mount point to be rw, to allow the clients to store stuff there |
| 17:03.07 | kqr | thewanderer1, i have added an entry in my fstab, but it won't be mounted because nfs-common can't be started because statd fails to start |
| 17:03.33 | thewanderer1 | kqr: okay... and rpc.statd doesn't start? try launching it manually: rpc.statd -dF |
| 17:03.46 | thewanderer1 | observe the errors |
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| 17:04.07 | acu | babilen: if I do pesconvert (master u=) $ ls --- I get - bash: syntax error near unexpected token `master' why is that - what do I need to do ? |
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| 17:04.15 | kqr | thewanderer1, Failed to open directory sm and failed to create /var/lib/nfs/state.new |
| 17:04.39 | thewanderer1 | kqr: uhuh, is that Squeeze? |
| 17:05.05 | kqr | thewanderer1, should be, yeah |
| 17:05.14 | thewanderer1 | kqr: and can you paste the exact error messages? |
| 17:05.39 | thewanderer1 | nothing should be using /var/lib for state-keeping |
| 17:05.41 | babilen | acu: The "(master u=)" is just part of my PS1 that shows me the status of a git repository if I'm in one. The only commands I ran were "git clone git://....", "cd pesconvert", "ls", "cat Makefile" and "make pesconvert" |
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| 17:05.57 | kqr | thewanderer1, sure, just a minute while i copy them |
| 17:06.26 | xy | what happened to debian.org? |
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| 17:07.25 | acu | babilen: I got the same fatal error: png.h: No such file or directory - absolutely weird - anyhow I am updating a virtual machine from wheezy to sid - and see |
| 17:07.26 | kqr | thewanderer1, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/24760c65/ |
| 17:07.28 | kqr | thewanderer1, that should be it |
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| 17:08.45 | thewanderer1 | kqr: is that pasted or retyped? |
| 17:08.49 | kqr | thewanderer1, retyped |
| 17:09.17 | nsadmin | xy, try www.debian.org |
| 17:09.23 | kqr | thewanderer1, but i don't see any typos apart from one capital O which should've been small |
| 17:09.25 | nsadmin | debian.org seems to be stuck |
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| 17:12.04 | thewanderer1 | kqr: hmm. try launching it once with a rw root so that it creates the files, then revert to ro... and /var/lib should never be used for runtime files, this qualifies as a bug |
| 17:12.21 | kqr | thewanderer1, okay |
| 17:12.32 | thewanderer1 | kqr: you can probably get away with bind-mounting some tmpfs over /var/lib/nfs |
| 17:13.19 | kqr | thewanderer1, however, i think i got those errors /with/ a rw root, now that i look at my configs |
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| 17:13.39 | babilen | acu: Show me please :) (exact commands + output) |
| 17:13.51 | thewanderer1 | kqr: that could only mean cosmic rays interfering |
| 17:13.53 | kqr | thewanderer1, i'll just try again to confirm |
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| 17:14.48 | kqr | thewanderer1, it seems to have worked now |
| 17:15.05 | kqr | thewanderer1, i have no idea if it was the rw root or tmpfs over /var/lib/nfs |
| 17:15.38 | thewanderer1 | kqr: I may have not noticed because I always run rw / and customize the systems on a client before deploying as ro |
| 17:15.54 | kqr | thewanderer1, sounds like that could be the case yeah |
| 17:16.37 | thewanderer1 | it's going to get better in Wheezy with just a single tmpfs dir (/run) :P |
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| 17:21.24 | acu | babilen: here is another try - http://paste.debian.net/163024/ |
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| 17:22.24 | acu | I am still in wheezy - I am almost done with updating that virtual machine to sid - hopefully it works there (by the way - in squeeze I got other errors) |
| 17:22.53 | stew | I'm suddenly having a wierd problem. mpg123, ogg123, and pianobar are all playing music about 10% too fast. even weirder to me is that mplayer plays things normally |
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| 17:23.56 | lasers` | What is the trigger for !status of gnome in wheezy/sid ? |
| 17:24.49 | babilen | acu: I assume that you need libpng-dev (not sure which version -- I have libpng12-dev) |
| 17:25.33 | babilen | lasers`: Could you rephrase that question? I don't quite understand it :-/ |
| 17:26.01 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 17:26.24 | RichiH | partially upgrading from lenny -> squueze -> wheezy sucks |
| 17:26.36 | stew | aplay seems to play wav at the right speed flac -d -c | aplay - is correct speed too |
| 17:26.39 | babilen | lasers`: Are you mayhaps looking for http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.4-status.html |
| 17:26.54 | RichiH | dpkg will not be able to install /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-libc-dev_3.2.12-1_amd64.deb due to the data.tar.xz |
| 17:26.54 | dpkg | RichiH: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:27.02 | RichiH | yah yah, eat a shovel |
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| 17:27.23 | RichiH | anyway, this means wget & dpkg galore |
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| 17:27.40 | lasers` | babilen: Yes. I was looking at a different website recently. (Gnome 3.0). Thank you for the correct link. |
| 17:28.12 | RichiH | this is a corner case, but /me considers filing a bug so it predepends |
| 17:28.29 | RichiH | babilen, stew: comments on yes/no and severity? |
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| 17:30.03 | stew | RichiH: you want linux-libc-dev to predepend on a newer dpkg? |
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| 17:30.21 | stew | does that mean all with a data.tar.xz predepend on a newer dpkg? |
| 17:30.35 | RichiH | yes |
| 17:30.43 | RichiH | basically |
| 17:30.54 | RichiH | that's non-trivial for many/most users to fix, i guess |
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| 17:32.25 | stew | something tells me we're going to go get all those pre-depends in there, and it will end up being "upgrade dpkg first" in the release notes |
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| 17:35.48 | RichiH | hmm |
| 17:36.03 | stew | but I don't see why not file |
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| 17:36.37 | stew | ask in #debian-dpkg? |
| 17:36.44 | RichiH | good point, will do |
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| 17:36.55 | RichiH | as i see things, it's critical or disregard |
| 17:36.55 | kqr | does anyone know why curses-like terminal applications (man pages, funky dialog boxes and whatnot) doesn't exit at all on my network booted system? |
| 17:37.15 | kqr | it's like the terminal knows how to draw them once, but not how to handle them after that |
| 17:37.16 | RichiH | depending on if "read release notes" is enough to prevent "unusable system without manual intervention" |
| 17:37.25 | kqr | vi seems to work, but that's about it |
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| 17:40.37 | thewanderer1 | kqr: that doesn't sound netboot-related O.o |
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| 17:40.51 | kqr | thewanderer1, no, probably not, but it's really frustrating nonetheless |
| 17:40.53 | thewanderer1 | maybe funky video drivers |
| 17:41.02 | kqr | thewanderer1, and it doesn't do that when i chroot to it |
| 17:41.10 | thewanderer1 | hmmm |
| 17:41.33 | thewanderer1 | kqr: does that happen on local installs with that client? (try Debian Live on a pendrive for example) |
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| 17:42.26 | kqr | thewanderer1, it's that particular install, and it has occurred on 2/2 computers so far |
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| 17:43.55 | phuzion | is there something lighter than fail2ban that I can implement? |
| 17:45.01 | dondelelcaro | phuzion: fail2ban is pretty simple |
| 17:45.14 | dondelelcaro | phuzion: not sure how else you'd do what fail2ban does without doing it the way fail2ban does it |
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| 17:46.01 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it could use a lighter language, say, C, but that's about it :P |
| 17:46.15 | phuzion | dondelelcaro: I really only use it for SSH, would DenyHosts be lighter on resources or no? I'm extremely limited on resources like RAM and CPU |
| 17:46.42 | nkuttler | phuzion: who are you trying to keep out? |
| 17:46.46 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: looks like you got ripped off with that VPS... |
| 17:46.51 | phuzion | nkuttler: botnets or whatnot |
| 17:47.05 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: why don't you just disable passwords and use PKI? |
| 17:47.43 | kqr | thewanderer1, oh. you wouldn't have guessed |
| 17:47.45 | phuzion | thewanderer1: It's not meant to be a fully featured system that I can do a million things on, I really only use it for hosting a couple tiny static content websites and my Quassel core. I don't use PKI because I don't always have my keys with me. |
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| 17:47.58 | kqr | thewanderer1, it seems those programs didn't like it when no user was logged in |
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| 17:49.20 | thewanderer1 | kqr: O.o |
| 17:49.37 | thewanderer1 | kqr: perhaps you were just missing TERM env variable? |
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| 17:50.29 | thewanderer1 | phuzion: well, it's either keys or worrying that somebody might crack your passwords. or you could change your TCP port to some other than 22, and treat it as a poor man's "defense"... |
| 17:51.12 | phuzion | and just run with no fail2ban whatsoever? |
| 17:51.27 | thewanderer1 | yeah, if you consider it too heavy |
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| 17:51.48 | phuzion | With PKI, would you still run fail2ban, or is it unnecessary when running PKI? |
| 17:51.56 | phuzion | given unlimited resources |
| 17:51.56 | thewanderer1 | unnecessary |
| 17:52.17 | phuzion | Hmm, maybe I'll look into that |
| 17:52.58 | acu | babilen - indeed it was libpng12-dev and libcairo2-dev - so it finally compiled - now I have to learn to use the converter :) It seem no documentation was there - perhaps I am lucky - anyhow MANY THANKS babilen for your help |
| 17:53.14 | kqr | thewanderer1, could be something as simple, yeah |
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| 17:54.26 | kqr | thewanderer1, however, i have problems with locks on my shared rw nfs location |
| 17:54.44 | kqr | thewanderer1, when i mount it it says "svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97)" |
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| 17:55.09 | kqr | thewanderer1, and when i try to access files it says "lockd: cannot monitor 192.168.0.1" (which is the ip of the server where the file is) |
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| 17:56.16 | thewanderer1 | kqr: the lockdv1 is a bogus error message. and for lockd, apply the usual debugging procedure... perhaps lockd needs another rw location |
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| 17:56.32 | thewanderer1 | one more thing that comes to mind is maybe you forgot to run lockd on the server |
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| 17:59.27 | abrotman | .win 4 |
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| 18:04.12 | kqr | thewanderer1, it would seem that it is lacking a few of the files it put in /var/lib/nfs during the installation |
| 18:04.21 | kqr | thewanderer1, obviously, as i put /var/lib/nfs on tmpfs |
| 18:04.42 | kqr | thewanderer1, however, i can't very well put /var/lib/nfs on a separate nfs share, because that would be very circular of me |
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| 18:05.44 | thewanderer1 | kqr: just put it on tmpfs and make sure it is mounted very early |
| 18:06.03 | thewanderer1 | say, hack the nfs-common script to mount the tmpfs right before starting the services |
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| 18:06.27 | thewanderer1 | using dependencies would be saner, but still a hack to the script, so... :P |
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| 18:08.25 | kqr | thewanderer1, but if that was the problem, wouldn't restarting nfs-common make it go away? |
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| 18:08.43 | thewanderer1 | kqr: it should |
| 18:09.39 | kqr | thewanderer1, it doesn't |
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| 18:10.04 | thewanderer1 | well, down to debugging then |
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| 18:10.14 | thewanderer1 | launch lockd with debug options, see what it comes up with |
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| 18:18.13 | mmiikkee | fyu |
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| 18:21.06 | kqr | thewanderer1, it would seem on apt-get as though i didn't even have lockd installed, curiously enough. i guess i'll see soon if it made any difference |
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| 18:22.28 | kqr | thewanderer1, nope, that wasn't it. i'll have to call it a day now though, and see what i can find out tomorrow |
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| 18:29.40 | gparent | Hey, I've been running checkinstall for the past 30 minutes and I suspect it might be looping, anyway to find out? I'm not experienced with strace but htop seems to show different commands eventually popping up, but sometimes paths come up twice or things like that |
| 18:29.46 | gparent | I'm using checkinstall with ruby 1.9.3 |
| 18:30.18 | gparent | "Copying files to the temporary directory..." is the last entry |
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| 18:36.38 | grobda24 | gparent, had this problem myself but can't remember how I solved it. Had something to do with cancelling the copy and starting over. Review all settings and state of the build you are installing. |
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| 18:37.08 | gparent | grobda24: you mean you solved it by cancelling and starting over? |
| 18:37.16 | gparent | and did you have to change settings afterwards or did it just work? |
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| 18:37.25 | gparent | I had to use a different commandline because checkinstall is apparently broken |
| 18:37.33 | gparent | I added --fstrans=no and --install=yes |
| 18:37.43 | grobda24 | gparent, yes, it stuck sometimes ... as I said review your settings |
| 18:37.51 | grobda24 | *it gets stuck |
| 18:38.03 | superlinux-hp | tell me guys, with samba, which antivirus is recommended? |
| 18:38.11 | gparent | The way you worded it I wasn't sure if it would occasionally get stuck regardless of my settings |
| 18:38.14 | gparent | :) |
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| 18:38.26 | grobda24 | k |
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| 18:39.08 | superlinux-hp | or how for example kaspersky compares to clamav? |
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| 18:39.38 | gparent | grobda24: gah... cancelled, ran command as-is, it Just Worked. |
| 18:39.52 | gparent | I think this is the first time ive had an issue where Linux acted differently running the same command twice |
| 18:39.57 | gparent | usually that's a Windows thing, reboot and all. |
| 18:40.04 | gparent | Thanks for the help |
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| 18:40.49 | grobda24 | no problem |
| 18:41.03 | caravel | superlinux-hp: looked into this recently : as far as I understand it, on-access module from clamav/clamd is clamuko and is *not* recommended on production machines |
| 18:41.45 | superlinux-hp | caravel, so you think I have to install kaspersky or similar? |
| 18:41.45 | caravel | superlinux-hp: clamd can be queried from various manner, tough, by smbd as well (I assume) |
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| 18:43.12 | caravel | superlinux-hp: so, I don't think anything about what you have to do :) I think clamd was built with email in mind first, but takes some configuration for sure |
| 18:43.52 | caravel | superlinux-hp: I meant, but seems operable in a various way, however it takes some configuration for sure |
| 18:44.06 | caravel | in various ways* |
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| 18:44.27 | superlinux-hp | caravel, but what i aim at is how intelligent it's compared to kaspersky for example |
| 18:44.43 | superlinux-hp | how much it is intelligent |
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| 18:45.24 | caravel | superlinux-hp: No idea, I'm sure you can find plenty of antivirus comparisons out there |
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| 18:45.38 | superlinux-hp | yes you're right |
| 18:45.52 | caravel | superlinux-hp: All I am saying is : shall you go the clamav route, make sure your read entirely its documentation. In a word, just installing it doesn't do the scanning |
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| 18:46.21 | superlinux-hp | caravel, I know.. cos samba has to call it |
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| 18:46.27 | caravel | superlinux-hp: rather, it setup a service which can be configured to scan stuff |
| 18:46.32 | caravel | superlinux-hp: right |
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| 18:47.20 | JordiGH | Hm, Perl version 0.55 is "lower" than 0.6 (they actually use decimal numbers as version numbers). But dh-make-perl produces a .deb with version 0.55 dpkg thinks 0.55 is a higher version than 0.6 |
| 18:47.26 | JordiGH | How does real Perl packaging handle this issue? |
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| 18:49.25 | jelly-home | package as 0.60 ? |
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| 18:49.43 | JordiGH | I see. |
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| 18:50.26 | jelly-home | which module are you talking about and is it already in Debian? |
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| 18:50.38 | JordiGH | No, no, it's for internal distribution at workplace. |
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| 19:00.38 | damian473 | hi, any idea what could go wrong in case like this? I've used my touchpad since yesterday w/o problems but after I've did apt-get upgrade it got "sloppy", works, but meh, it's not so sensible as it used to be, where may be problem? |
| 19:01.17 | damian473 | I've checked mouse settings but nothing there... it's like it was before |
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| 19:01.49 | fasta | I had zero space left, then I mv'ed a directory with 6GB and then there was still zero space left. How can I see where that space went? |
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| 19:11.38 | sweb | how can i get more info via `apt-get upgrade` |
| 19:11.47 | tremon | fasta: if processes have file handles open on the moved files, they won't be removed until those processes release the files |
| 19:11.59 | fasta | tremon: I already looked there. |
| 19:12.03 | jelly-home | fasta: du does not help? |
| 19:12.09 | fasta | jelly-home: no |
| 19:12.11 | boston8372 | locate find |
| 19:12.18 | boudiccas | sweb, what information are you looking for? |
| 19:12.19 | tremon | sweb: man apt-get. I know aptitude has -vVWR, at the least |
| 19:12.23 | fasta | jelly-home: I used baobab too. |
| 19:12.30 | jelly-home | fasta: as root? |
| 19:12.34 | ^Busy^ | On this box, when I run top, htop, etc. I can't see processes by users other than myself unless I'm logged in as root -- how do I remove this? |
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| 19:12.56 | sweb | boudiccas: witch repository is selected for this packages |
| 19:13.00 | jelly-home | ^Busy^: are you using a custom kernel? |
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| 19:13.02 | sweb | somthing like yum |
| 19:13.09 | ^Busy^ | jelly-home: Yes. |
| 19:13.16 | ^Busy^ | I assume I'll have to re-compile? |
| 19:13.22 | jelly-home | ^Busy^: it's a common feature in the grsecurity patch set. |
| 19:13.30 | ^Busy^ | Ah, okay. Thank you. |
| 19:13.41 | ^Busy^ | `Linux teeger 3.2.13-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64` |
| 19:13.42 | ^Busy^ | Yes. |
| 19:13.46 | fasta | jelly-home: as root |
| 19:14.29 | thewanderer1 | ^Busy^: the kernel can be configured to allow a certain GID to see all processes - check your config |
| 19:14.33 | jelly-home | ^Busy^: it can be built so that only one specific group can access things under /proc |
| 19:14.39 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 19:15.04 | jelly-home | so if it's built that way, you can just add yourself to that group |
| 19:16.10 | ^Busy^ | Alright, thanks gus. |
| 19:16.11 | ^Busy^ | guys |
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| 19:23.10 | _ramo | hey |
| 19:23.17 | _ramo | i've installed debian squeeze on my system |
| 19:23.22 | _ramo | and now i want to open some ports |
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| 19:24.47 | _ramo | i've installed mysql and the port was opened |
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| 19:25.55 | Storfiskaren | _ramo: if you have a firewall, you need to configure it to open the ports |
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| 19:26.21 | thewanderer1 | _ramo: that is, by default, all ports are "open" |
| 19:26.32 | Storfiskaren | _ramo: i e if you have a firewall installed on your system, else everything should be open |
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| 19:27.31 | cdown | Hi -- is anyone else having problems with the latest wicd-curses in sid? I just safe-upgraded and am getting "urwid.util.TagMarkupException: Invalid markup element: None" |
| 19:27.45 | cdown | The wicd daemon itself appears to be working, just not wicd-curses. |
| 19:27.54 | cdown | wicd-curses was upgraded in the safe-upgrade. |
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| 19:33.37 | tronne | how can I restart the graphical interface? I tried logging in as a user but it just got stuck on the wallpaper with a movable mouse pointer |
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| 19:34.39 | jelly-home | tronne: which Debian release are you using? |
| 19:34.50 | tronne | +++ |
| 19:34.57 | cdown | tronne: Depends on what you mean by "the graphical interface". |
| 19:35.30 | cdown | You probably want to restart your DM. |
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| 19:36.52 | tronne | that's what I meant |
| 19:37.00 | fasta | jelly-home: I now see there is a difference between setting a check mark next to allocated space and not doing that. |
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| 19:37.20 | fasta | jelly-home: the difference being exactly the amount of space that was/is lost. |
| 19:37.27 | fasta | jelly-home: does that help? |
| 19:37.28 | tronne | 2.6.32 |
| 19:37.37 | tronne | -5 |
| 19:37.51 | cdown | tronne: Are you using the default desktop environment that comes with Squeeze? |
| 19:38.03 | tronne | probably |
| 19:38.25 | cdown | You probably want ''service gdm3 restart'' |
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| 19:40.08 | tremon | tronne: try ctrl-alt-backspace, don't remember if it's enabled by default |
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| 19:40.58 | jelly-home | tronne: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 19:41.40 | jelly-home | tremon: if you're on Debian 6, the default is "gdm" so "service gdm restart" as root |
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| 19:51.47 | fruitwerks_ | can I upgrade to squeeze and keep grub1 and my custom 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:52.09 | mjt | upgrade from what? |
| 19:52.25 | fruitwerks_ | mjt: sorry, lenny |
| 19:52.54 | jelly-home | ,versions grub-legacy |
| 19:52.55 | judd | Package: grub-legacy on i386 -- squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-66; wheezy: 0.97-66 |
| 19:53.14 | mjt | custom kernel wont be touched if you built it properly (so it does not clash with kernels used by debian) |
| 19:53.32 | _ramo | thewanderer1: it's a minimal debian squeeze installation |
| 19:53.38 | _ramo | id didn't installed a firewall |
| 19:53.41 | Iridos | there's this udev thingy, though... depends on his kernel version |
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| 19:53.50 | _ramo | and nmap localhjost is not showing all ports |
| 19:53.56 | sweb | how to install `pecl` on debain ? |
| 19:54.04 | mjt | nmapping localhost is a very smart idea |
| 19:54.07 | sweb | php5-dev is install but pecl command not found |
| 19:54.08 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 19:54.09 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 19:54.13 | jelly-home | !tell fruitwerks_ about udev squeeze |
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| 19:54.39 | Iridos | ah, didn't know we had that as a separate factoid |
| 19:54.54 | Iridos | ha |
| 19:54.59 | jelly-home | fruitwerks_: make sure your kernel is fresh enough, and the release notes will probably tell you about that one CONFIG_ setting that's important |
| 19:54.59 | Iridos | I'd have said 2.6.28 |
| 19:55.21 | jelly-home | can't remember it, something about sysfs and deprecated |
| 19:55.33 | fruitwerks_ | 2.6.32.28-openvz it was very difficult to build for this hardware |
| 19:55.53 | fruitwerks_ | apt shows I don't have grub installed..? |
| 19:56.14 | jelly-home | fruitwerks_: while the upgrade process _will_ try to install grub2, you can install grub-legacy later on or perhaps at installing the kernel time |
| 19:56.40 | jelly-home | fruitwerks_: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l grub\* | grep ^.i " ? |
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| 19:57.10 | fruitwerks_ | I'm mostly worried about my openvz stuff, running 2 containers and it was not fun or easy to get it all working :).. on sec on the paste |
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| 19:57.22 | jirka_on_d | sweb>try to upgrade pear |
| 19:57.27 | mjt | can't grub2 be marked as on hold? |
| 19:57.27 | fruitwerks_ | No packages found matching grub*. |
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| 19:58.19 | jelly-home | huh |
| 19:58.36 | fruitwerks_ | maybe we got hacked lol |
| 19:58.48 | pickcoder | p0wned |
| 19:58.52 | jelly-home | fruitwerks_: are you sure you're running it on the host ;-) |
| 19:59.01 | ompaul | being hacked is not what you want to advertise |
| 19:59.01 | fruitwerks_ | lilo.. what else is there? |
| 19:59.09 | jelly-home | extlinux! |
| 19:59.18 | jelly-home | the choice of the sick-with-grub2 generation |
| 19:59.21 | mjt | extlinux is actually very good |
| 19:59.25 | fruitwerks_ | yeah I am on the physical machine |
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| 20:01.28 | fruitwerks_ | no grub.. no lilo, no grub.conf - only thing in boot is the kernel and a copy of the config |
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| 20:02.01 | fruitwerks_ | might help to mount boot.. yes I do have a grub.conf |
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| 20:02.45 | sanitypassing | Hi, I recently compiled and installed a program from source. Is there any easy way to find all the installed files, and remove them? |
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| 20:03.04 | streuner_ | /usr/local/ |
| 20:03.15 | bensons | you never know |
| 20:03.44 | jelly-home | fruitwerks_: how does it boot?!?!? ;-) |
| 20:03.55 | fruitwerks_ | so boot is intact but grub is not installed - suggested lenny to squeeze docs? |
| 20:04.13 | fruitwerks_ | has udev at least |
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| 20:08.27 | fruitwerks_ | where can I find out what version of openvz utils are provided with squeeze? |
| 20:08.41 | tremon | sanitypassing: not really. If you still have the build tree, some programs come with a make uninstall command. Otherwise, you should've used checkinstall |
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| 20:09.15 | ompaul | fruitwerks_: apt-cache search openvz |
| 20:09.37 | ompaul | fruitwerks_: apt-cache policy foo after thta |
| 20:09.42 | fruitwerks_ | I don't have a squueze install yet |
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| 20:10.11 | streuner_ | fruitwerks_: use packages.debian.org then |
| 20:10.33 | bensons | fruitwerks_: vzctl is at version 3.0.24 |
| 20:10.41 | tremon | fruitwerks_: ask judd, versions <pkg) |
| 20:11.22 | fruitwerks_ | my current version is higher than the one reported |
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| 20:12.09 | fruitwerks_ | so I will likely need to recompile those after upgrading |
| 20:12.48 | fruitwerks_ | what guide does anyone recommend for upgrading lenny to squeeze? |
| 20:13.00 | tremon | fruitwerks_: if you installed your current version correctly (ssb), apt-get will recognize the higher version and not install the squeeze version |
| 20:13.37 | fruitwerks_ | doubt I did that.. I'm a gentoo junkie, so 'the debian way' usually upsets me :) |
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| 20:14.03 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite fruitwerks_ |
| 20:14.03 | dpkg | spends 6 days recompiling fruitwerks_, and when it's all done, fruitwerks_ runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 20:14.29 | tremon | lol |
| 20:14.33 | grothendieck | hahaha |
| 20:14.38 | fruitwerks_ | dpkg: don't forget to recompile fruitwerks_ with the new version of fruitwerks_ |
| 20:14.38 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, fruitwerks_ |
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| 20:21.23 | Iridos | streuner_, we need an snssmite, too! |
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| 20:23.03 | tremon | sns? |
| 20:23.08 | Iridos | dpkg, sns |
| 20:23.09 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:23.10 | streuner_ | Iridos: those people who think that some switches solve basic problems are without brain |
| 20:23.44 | fruitwerks_ | if I already have udev, not updating grub, or kernel, is there any reason to reboot? |
| 20:23.48 | streuner_ | Iridos: a smite wouldnt help ;-) |
| 20:23.49 | Iridos | switches? |
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| 20:24.01 | dondelelcaro | fruitwerks_: generally not. |
| 20:24.11 | streuner_ | Iridos: some configure stuff which solve everything... |
| 20:24.29 | Iridos | nosmoke.exe |
| 20:24.43 | fruitwerks_ | going out for a smoke :D |
| 20:24.56 | kevlarman | Iridos: you don't like the magic blue smoke? |
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| 20:26.34 | streuner_ | in most cases DE's and modern browsers gives most headaches |
| 20:26.36 | Iridos | kevlarman, I do... but mostly I like to stay it in the computer compounds that can make it. Also, I meant (e.g.) http://www.frivolity.com/teatime/Computers/NOSMOKE.html |
| 20:27.22 | streuner_ | and these problems arent solveable via configure software, IMO |
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| 20:32.59 | emilnd | Hey, I installed debian on an old computer about three weeks or so, I did it with an netinstall and everything worked great, no problem to connect to Internet or what so ever. Now, I have not touched it sins and when I boot it up, there is absolutly no Internet acces or anything :s Have been seraching around some but I think I need realtime help, will someone help me? You will get a cake! |
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| 20:34.10 | streuner_ | emilnd: via WLAN or eth? |
| 20:34.19 | emilnd | eth |
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| 20:34.37 | streuner_ | emilnd: check out interfaces then |
| 20:34.44 | streuner_ | !interfaces |
| 20:34.45 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 20:35.36 | emilnd | Well, that gave me more info than I found on Internet^^ I come back when I tried some! |
| 20:36.32 | streuner_ | emilnd: edit /etc/internet/interfaces and run "ifup eth0" |
| 20:37.14 | streuner_ | emilnd: /etc/network/interfaces, sorry |
| 20:37.24 | emilnd | np, and yes I will. |
| 20:38.31 | _stefanos_ | can someone tell me what exactly might be the issue and whenever I right-click on either in Thunar or Nautilus it closes the window? |
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| 20:40.09 | streuner_ | Thunar sounds like XFCE? |
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| 20:40.33 | _stefanos_ | yes |
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| 20:40.44 | streuner_ | so you are using XFCE? |
| 20:40.58 | _stefanos_ | I used to and switched back to Gnome 3 Fallback mode |
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| 20:42.05 | bronaugh | who's maintaining the octave package? |
| 20:42.10 | bronaugh | (ie: are they in here) |
| 20:42.23 | streuner_ | bronaugh: apt-cache show octave |
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| 20:42.58 | streuner_ | bronaugh: or better, just use packages.debian.org and look for devels... |
| 20:43.08 | bronaugh | ugh. |
| 20:43.33 | bronaugh | yeah. the package needs some serious help... the build relies on symlinks which aren't present on a (normal, unmodified) debian system... |
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| 20:45.51 | streuner_ | bronaugh: in this case, just feel free to send patches :-P |
| 20:46.02 | bronaugh | I'd rather be lazy and submit bugs; heh. |
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| 20:47.27 | nkuttler | heh.. did i download the wheezy installer accidentally? there's wheezy everywhere in my sources list.. |
| 20:47.32 | streuner_ | critzises is one thing, helpful is something other |
| 20:47.39 | nkuttler | did... |
| 20:47.50 | nkuttler | no wonder the box doesn't boot properly :| |
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| 20:49.29 | streuner_ | nkuttler: some iso which doesnt work yet? |
| 20:49.33 | nkuttler | reinstall... hack.. reinstall.. |
| 20:49.47 | nkuttler | yeah, got the testing businesscard iso somehow.. |
| 20:50.00 | nkuttler | well the install worked fine but the box doesn't boot for some reason |
| 20:50.13 | streuner_ | nkuttler: ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) about |
| 20:50.14 | bronaugh | streuner_: just using dpkg-buildpackage to work around this brain damage. |
| 20:50.37 | Iridos | bronaugh, that seems impossible... all packages are built automatically and with pbuilder |
| 20:50.45 | streuner_ | nkuttler: they should know which iso work and which doesnt |
| 20:51.01 | bronaugh | Iridos: well; octave from sid links against a bunch of things which don't exist |
| 20:51.07 | bronaugh | libmetis.so, for example. |
| 20:51.09 | nkuttler | streuner_: well it's not really an installer problem, the install worked |
| 20:51.17 | Iridos | oh sid |
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| 20:51.21 | Iridos | still... |
| 20:51.40 | bronaugh | I agree; still shouldn't happen. but it has here. |
| 20:52.03 | Iridos | libparmetis-dev: /usr/lib/libmetis.so |
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| 20:52.21 | Iridos | libscotchmetis-dev: /usr/lib/libmetis.so |
| 20:52.28 | Iridos | just a missing dependency |
| 20:52.32 | streuner_ | nkuttler: "but the box doesn't boot for some reason,,," well, if you say so... :-P |
| 20:52.35 | bronaugh | yeah. now how about... |
| 20:52.48 | bronaugh | libccolamd.so libcolamd.so libcamd.so libamd.so libumfpack.so libmetis.so libcholmod.so |
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| 20:53.05 | bronaugh | (sorry, libmetis in there; but point stands) |
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| 20:53.54 | bronaugh | I gave up after creating all of those symlinks. |
| 20:53.58 | bronaugh | (and removed them afterwards) |
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| 20:58.06 | RealFart | I think you all are a bunch of shitheads |
| 20:58.15 | RealFart | so I am going to teach these assholes a lesson |
| 20:58.17 | RealFart | :> |
| 20:58.24 | RealFart | 1. I really hate niggers! |
| 20:58.37 | RealFart | 2. I really don't give a shit about UK's hate speech laws! |
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| 20:58.43 | streuner_ | RealFart: idiot |
| 20:58.45 | nikhil_ | hi |
| 20:58.48 | kbar | wtf? |
| 20:58.48 | nikhil_ | guys |
| 20:58.54 | streuner_ | some troll |
| 20:58.55 | nikhil_ | I need help with debian packaging |
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| 20:59.11 | nikhil_ | can someone please tell me if the Depends field in the debian control file is missing |
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| 20:59.16 | nikhil_ | why would the repo break? |
| 20:59.36 | nikhil_ | and btw, can Depends field contain none keyword |
| 20:59.36 | streuner_ | nikhil_: #debian-mentors (OTFC) |
| 20:59.50 | nikhil_ | I am aware that pre-depends field can contain none value |
| 20:59.51 | bronaugh | gotta mean oftc there :) |
| 20:59.59 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: you don't need anything in Depends: |
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| 21:00.02 | streuner_ | sorry, OFTC |
| 21:00.03 | nikhil_ | but not sure about depends field |
| 21:00.06 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: but that would actually be kind of unusual |
| 21:00.35 | nikhil_ | if there is no dependency for a package, but can I enforce Depends field to be used but with value none |
| 21:00.36 | nikhil_ | ? |
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| 21:01.16 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: if the package doesn't depend on anything, the Depends: field is empty or not present. |
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| 21:02.01 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: Depends: none means that you're depending on the package called none, which doesn't exist. |
| 21:02.16 | nikhil_ | right dondelelcaro |
| 21:02.23 | nikhil_ | so would that result in a failure? |
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| 21:02.39 | nikhil_ | having Depends: with no value is resulting in a repo breakage |
| 21:02.43 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: it would just make your package uninstallable unless something else provided a package called none. |
| 21:02.49 | nikhil_ | having no Depends: is good |
| 21:03.20 | nikhil_ | but how do I ensure Depends: defined but with no value packages not get uploaded |
| 21:03.37 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: uh... it shouldn't, unless something is broken. |
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| 21:05.33 | nikhil_ | ok |
| 21:05.45 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: and iirc, dpkg-gencontrol should remove empty Depends: fields anyway. |
| 21:05.48 | nikhil_ | so essentially anything supplied to Depends: |
| 21:05.55 | nikhil_ | will be taken as a package literally |
| 21:05.59 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: yes. |
| 21:06.21 | nikhil_ | there is no keyword which will say none or no package dependency even if Depends: control is defined |
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| 21:06.53 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: why would there be? if you don't want a dependency relationship, you don't have a Depends: field, or it is empty. |
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| 21:07.27 | nikhil_ | lets say I am using a template control file that defines a dependency relationship |
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| 21:07.46 | nikhil_ | and mistakenly I left the depends: field empty and created the package and uploaded it to the repo |
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| 21:07.50 | nikhil_ | that is causing my repo to break |
| 21:08.01 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: then you aren't using dpkg-gencontrol or you're doing something else crazy |
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| 21:08.21 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: and in general, you shouldn't be using templates in the first place; that's what substvars are for. |
| 21:08.31 | nikhil_ | yeah I know :-) |
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| 21:08.40 | dondelelcaro | ok... so what's the problem? |
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| 21:08.48 | nikhil_ | any usage examples of dpkg-gencontrol please |
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| 21:09.00 | dondelelcaro | nikhil_: any debian package uses dpkg-gencontrol. dpkg-buildpackage calls it. |
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| 21:09.29 | dondelelcaro | well, it's actually called as part of debian/rules binary, but whatever |
| 21:09.30 | streuner_ | nkuttler: have more patience or you use debian-boot (ML) too... |
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| 21:12.31 | nkuttler | streuner_: already installing stable.. |
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| 21:13.23 | nikhil_ | I am new debian .. so pardon my dpkg knowledge |
| 21:13.37 | nkuttler | aye, lenny boots fine. will be running wheezy soon |
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| 21:19.27 | bronaugh | ok, silly question time. |
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| 21:19.35 | bronaugh | where can I configure the default 'make' behaviour for dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 21:20.06 | bronaugh | (ie: I want to add -j8 or -j16 to defaults) |
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| 21:25.06 | mjt | there's no such place |
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| 21:25.24 | mjt | note lots of packages will fail to build with -j2+ |
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| 21:26.09 | nikhil_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:26.12 | nikhil_ | for clarification |
| 21:26.15 | nikhil_ | :-) |
| 21:26.18 | nikhil_ | see you later friends |
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| 21:26.26 | bronaugh | mjt: 'lots'? |
| 21:26.29 | bronaugh | curious which ones do. |
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| 21:26.46 | bronaugh | (I haven't had a single thing fail to build with -j<whatever> for years and years) |
| 21:27.00 | mjt | postfix is my latest example |
| 21:27.07 | bronaugh | yay. |
| 21:27.09 | mjt | hit that issue just today |
| 21:27.13 | bronaugh | mail hate :) |
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| 21:27.33 | bronaugh | so how come it fails? |
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| 21:28.25 | mjt | lots of possible reasons, again |
| 21:28.44 | emilnd | streuner_: I have tried alot of diffrent interfaces now. With no luck at all.. At the moment it has everything but the ipadress set as an other archlinux machine I've got, or it looks the same when I use ifconfig. In rc.conf on arch it only defines eth0 as network and leaves everything else blank, i.e broadcast, gateway etc. So I gues that one is using dhcp? If you need to know, in my router webbpage, I can't find any sign of the debian, b |
| 21:28.46 | mjt | most boils down to makefiles not preparing for parallel execution |
| 21:28.55 | bronaugh | so you didn't dig into why then. |
| 21:29.05 | mjt | well, you obviously know better |
| 21:29.16 | bronaugh | hey; not trying to second-guess you here. |
| 21:29.26 | bronaugh | I'm just curious. |
| 21:29.39 | mjt | most common is construct like: a b c d: ; <command> |
| 21:29.53 | mjt | where command produces all of them in one go |
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| 21:30.03 | mjt | parallel make will try to run all 4 in parallel |
| 21:30.11 | bronaugh | ... yeah, and that'll go sideways pretty fast. |
| 21:30.27 | mjt | the result will be that none of the 4 files contains correct data |
| 21:30.53 | bronaugh | any idea why people try so hard to defeat the purpose of 'make'? |
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| 21:31.01 | mjt | non-parallel make will check timestamps of all of them _after each step_ |
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| 21:31.34 | mjt | well, it's your opinion again. since i don't share it i can't answer this question |
| 21:32.03 | bronaugh | no no. my point isn't that 'make' should make everything run in parallel. |
| 21:32.21 | mjt | the above example is difficult to do "right" with parallel make in mind |
| 21:32.30 | tremon | as another point of information, recursive make can fail spectacularly if the toplevel make tries to build in several subdirs simultaneously |
| 21:33.05 | mjt | anyway, i'm out of here, it's bed time here. |
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| 21:33.14 | bronaugh | tremon: ie: if there's cross dependencies? |
| 21:33.42 | hanasaki | is there an icedtea7 for stable? |
| 21:35.12 | tremon | bronaugh: more specifically, if there are undeclared cross dependencies, but they used to be quite common |
| 21:36.07 | bronaugh | makes sense. |
| 21:36.10 | bronaugh | "works for me" mentality. |
| 21:36.31 | bronaugh | (I've been guilty of it) |
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| 21:37.23 | tremon | yes, more or less. Also, make -j used to be a corner case until a few years ago, and build systems tend to evolve slowly |
| 21:37.42 | jhutchins_wk | How do you tell if a system is using lvm? |
| 21:38.01 | bronaugh | tremon: indeed... |
| 21:38.07 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: lvdisplay? |
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| 21:40.02 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: iirc, mkinitramfs has a detection script which follows the /sys/block/device hierarchy to detect which kernel modules are required for mounting / |
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| 21:40.59 | fruitwerks_ | what is that sys something command setup told me to run after I fixed my init scripts? |
| 21:41.16 | hanasaki | hey jhutchins_wk how's the root and NIS thing doing? |
| 21:42.04 | hanasaki | jhutchins_wk lvm stuff... check the mtab and mounts .. might also be a ref in the syslog when the filesys was mounted |
| 21:42.29 | hanasaki | is there a jdk7 for stable? |
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| 21:46.53 | tremon | fruitwerks_: at a guess, maybe dpkg-reconfigure insserv? |
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| 21:48.17 | fruitwerks_ | it was a dialog about lsb warnings and purged not removed packages, I copied that package list, but missed the util it said to run to verify it :) |
| 21:48.28 | fruitwerks_ | if that was it, it did nothing |
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| 21:50.22 | tremon | I know what you're talking about, it's the message (like) "not enabled dependency-based boot because of legacy init scripts, please clean them up and try again". But I can't remember which command it was either |
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| 21:53.32 | emilnd | streuner_: Sorry to call for you again but, now my router finds the debian. But it tells me it is inactive and I can't also from it or to it.. I have no idea of where to look further :/ |
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| 22:04.37 | Baciccin | ciao a tutti |
| 22:04.41 | Baciccin | !list |
| 22:04.42 | dpkg | baciccin: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 22:08.03 | simonlnu | ciao ;) |
| 22:08.45 | fridder | so I am trying to update an outdated pkg by creating a new one(there is not a new deb in the repos) and am trying to use the uscan process |
| 22:09.48 | simonlnu | that's nice |
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| 22:09.55 | fridder | because all I need to do is go from supervisor-3.0a8-1all.deb to supervisor-3.0a12-1all.deb |
| 22:10.08 | fridder | and it keeps generating the a8 version |
| 22:10.27 | fridder | I know I am probably missing a step but I am not seeing what it is |
| 22:10.38 | simonlnu | !nmg |
| 22:10.38 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 22:10.49 | simonlnu | short version is check debian/changelog |
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| 22:25.33 | jgalt | presently stuck with a failed upgrade from stable to testing. laptop lost power durring upgrade. now only boots to console then shortly after no video. network inoperative. How can I recover this? |
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| 22:26.47 | scoates | hi. having a hard time tracking down the proper package or modprobe lines. When I do `netstat -M`, I get `netstat: no support for `ip_masquerade' on this system.` ... can someone point me in the right direction, please? |
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| 22:38.54 | bitcycle | Hey all. I installed a list of updates earlier today, but something broke and I'd like to rollback the updates that were installed. Is there an easy way to do that with apt? |
| 22:39.03 | Iridos | jgalt, boot into single-user mode? |
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| 22:39.32 | Iridos | bitcycle, no |
| 22:39.56 | Iridos | nothing should break while upgrading on squeeze, though |
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| 22:42.23 | jgalt | Iridos: does that require a special command from grub? I have in my grub menu normal and recovery. both now just disappear off to a black screen. |
| 22:42.52 | Iridos | <kernelname> single |
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| 22:48.34 | sweb | why php5 in debian have not apc ? |
| 22:48.53 | sweb | apc is part of php 5.2 and higher core !!! |
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| 22:49.40 | jgalt | Iridod: booting single user, same problem |
| 22:49.50 | jgalt | Iridos: booting single user, same problem |
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| 22:51.45 | jgalt | Iridos: rather than giving a prompt the screen goes black |
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| 22:52.30 | Iridos | well... sounds like |
| 22:52.32 | Iridos | dpkg, kms |
| 22:52.33 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 22:52.59 | Iridos | you can give that as parameter instead of single: init=/bin/bash |
| 22:53.08 | Iridos | which will load _nothing_ except bash |
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| 23:00.04 | Iridos | jgalt, so try nomodeset? |
| 23:00.15 | scoates | I'm having an iptables/NAT problem. Here's the (longish) question: http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/efc403ae4ba0d2dc6c740a7d497083d5.txt Help please? |
| 23:01.15 | Iridos | I can't stand iptables |
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| 23:02.38 | jgalt | Iridos, Tried nomodeset still a black screen, symptoms sound like you describe though - running 2.6.32 currently |
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| 23:03.16 | jgalt | Iridos, trying init bin/bash |
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| 23:05.18 | jgalt | Iridos, init=/bin/bash got me in. liiks like it may be trying to start the xserver then failing. |
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| 23:06.05 | abrotman | thought jgalt was an old timer .. but no |
| 23:06.17 | Dulak | scoates: did you try SNAT instead of masquerading? Typically you SNAT and DNAT when you want the NAT to be bi-directional, MASQ is only 1-way |
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| 23:07.24 | scoates | I did try DNAT, but I might have done it wrong. "sarcasm" doesn't have an IP in the 10.8.10 range, so I think MASQ might be the right thing here |
| 23:07.52 | simonlnu | abrotman: g4lt was the other guy |
| 23:07.55 | Dulak | Well masquerading is just a simpler SNAT, not a DNAT |
| 23:09.19 | abrotman | simonlnu: i know .. but his first name was Jon/John |
| 23:09.29 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 23:09.39 | scoates | the "sean" is always 10.8.10.10 gw 10.8.10.9, so SNAT might work. |
| 23:09.51 | scoates | tries |
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| 23:10.29 | jgalt | How can I bring up wlan0 from console? |
| 23:10.41 | abrotman | ifup wlan0 ? |
| 23:11.04 | bronaugh | that still work with NetworkManager crap? |
| 23:11.16 | bronaugh | also, how would you select SSID there? |
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| 23:11.27 | scoates | still no packets on 10.8.10.1 with # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o tun0 -j SNAT --to 10.8.10.0 |
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| 23:12.17 | abrotman | bronaugh: he didn't specify n-m |
| 23:12.26 | bronaugh | abrotman: curious for my own reasons. |
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| 23:12.48 | Dulak | scoates: --to ip.of.sean.here |
| 23:13.11 | scoates | ok |
| 23:13.16 | Dulak | scoates: it's an ip, not a network, you are specifying the ip to masq as, not a network |
| 23:13.43 | Dulak | scoates: also you may need to set a route for the network to tell it 10.8.10.0 is on the other side of the nat |
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| 23:14.06 | jgalt | abrotman: ifup fails due to / being read only |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | bronaugh: n-m has a CLI thing |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | jgalt: mount -o rw,remount / ? |
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| 23:14.36 | bronaugh | abrotman: ok |
| 23:14.41 | scoates | it already knows that. "sean" is 10.8.10.10 (gateway: 10.8.10.9), and "fkops01" is 10.8.10.1. "fkops01" and "sean" can ping each other just fine. |
| 23:14.50 | scoates | tun0 is a P-t-P network. I hope that doesn't matter |
| 23:15.15 | Dulak | scoates: without a route it will use the default route, so look at what 10.8.10.0 is pointing to in your routing table |
| 23:15.48 | scoates | sorry. I got it backwards. "sean" is 10.8.10.9 (gateway: 10.8.10.10). |
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| 23:16.05 | scoates | relevant route: 10.8.10.0 10.8.10.10 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun1 |
| 23:16.39 | scoates | and I see the packets from "sarcasm" on "sean" just not on "fkops01" (10.8.10.1) |
| 23:17.02 | Dulak | scoates: that's an issue, it's sending everything for that network throuh tun1, you need to tell the routing table to send anything for 10.8.10.1 through tun0 |
| 23:17.23 | Dulak | otherwise it is going out tun1 by default and not natted |
| 23:17.36 | scoates | oh wow. Dulak: thanks! |
| 23:17.47 | scoates | I didn't realize I had two tun devices right now. Total idiot-error. |
| 23:17.59 | scoates | changed to tun1 and it works as expected. |
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| 23:18.12 | scoates | awesome. |
| 23:18.27 | peterS | waits for him to say "thanks a tun1" |
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| 23:19.21 | scoates | womp-womp (-: |
| 23:19.42 | Dulak | scoates: the problem wasn't what I thought it was, but it works, so I'll take credit. ;) |
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| 23:20.22 | scoates | Dulak: call it very intelligent rubberducking, then (-: |
| 23:20.27 | scoates | either way, I really appreciate it. thank you. |
| 23:20.31 | Dulak | hah! |
| 23:20.33 | LTB | Hello! Just installed Debian and thereafter the gnome desktop environment... But when I reboot I can't select it at the login prompt...? |
| 23:21.06 | hanasaki | did you install gdm? |
| 23:21.15 | LTB | hanasaki: come again? |
| 23:21.23 | hanasaki | the package "gdm" |
| 23:21.25 | LTB | hanasaki: Does it not follow with the packages?:D |
| 23:21.33 | LTB | hanasaki: thanks for replying! Let me check |
| 23:21.36 | hanasaki | ltb - confirm so ;) |
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| 23:22.03 | LTB | Meh what the hell |
| 23:22.04 | LTB | Haha |
| 23:22.05 | LTB | Not installed |
| 23:22.13 | LTB | Trying that:) |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | LTB: can't select what? what is the interface? |
| 23:23.08 | LTB | abrotman: well, I can select between default, xfce4session and a bunch of others with F1 |
| 23:23.14 | hanasaki | LTB: "dpkg --get-selections | grep gdm" |
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| 23:23.25 | abrotman | LTB: how did you install gnome ? |
| 23:23.29 | LTB | abrotman: but I think hanasaki solved it, gonna check soon by rebooting;) |
| 23:23.34 | LTB | abrotman: from synaptic, haha:) |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | i meant which package ... |
| 23:23.57 | hanasaki | LTB: is runnign windows.. " check soon by rebooting" |
| 23:23.59 | LTB | abrotman: just selected the gnome desktop environment and installed with all the ones that followed |
| 23:24.16 | LTB | hanasaki: sorry? |
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| 23:24.53 | LTB | hanasaki: with gdm installed, will a relog do the trick or is a reboot in order for it to take effect? |
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| 23:25.45 | hanasaki | LTB: to keep it simple.. just reboot :) there are other ways.. but this is most simple |
| 23:25.55 | LTB | hanasaki: let's keep it simple:D |
| 23:25.59 | LTB | hanasaki: before I reboot |
| 23:26.11 | LTB | hanasaki: how would I go about making my terminal more fancy in Xfce4?:D |
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| 23:26.33 | hanasaki | I don't use xfce |
| 23:26.36 | LTB | hanasaki: I see all kinds of cool terminal looks, such as visible through to the desktop etc |
| 23:26.40 | LTB | hanasaki: oh, ok:) |
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| 23:26.45 | LTB | hanasaki: you use gnome I presume? |
| 23:26.59 | hanasaki | kde |
| 23:27.02 | hanasaki | and headless |
| 23:27.06 | LTB | Ok:) |
| 23:27.27 | abrotman | holy enter batman |
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| 23:27.40 | hanasaki | gnome3 converted me to kde |
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| 23:27.51 | LTB | :D |
| 23:28.00 | Iridos | calm down, robin :) |
| 23:28.08 | LTB | hanasaki: I had no problems installing drivers in ubuntu, but in debian I find it more tricky... I mean the sound card drivers, if that is the right terminology |
| 23:28.09 | kevlarman | hanasaki: xfce is taking gnome refugees as well if you prefer something a bit more gtkish :P |
| 23:28.17 | LTB | hanasaki: any ideas?:D |
| 23:28.36 | hanasaki | LTB: nope |
| 23:28.38 | abrotman | LTB: fix the GDM first .. then we'll cover sound ? |
| 23:28.38 | Iridos | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 23:28.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen three-legged dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | hugs Iridos, and glows |
| 23:28.49 | LTB | abrotman: good idea, still installing.. |
| 23:28.51 | hanasaki | kevlarman: how light/heavy on cpu/ram/disk is xfce vs kde? |
| 23:28.56 | abrotman | LTB: okay .. fix one problem at a time |
| 23:29.09 | kevlarman | hanasaki: xfce is a little bit lighter than gnome2 |
| 23:29.11 | hanasaki | kevlarman: any transparency support in xfce? never got it to work well for me |
| 23:29.12 | abrotman | hanasaki: probably lighter than kde by a lot |
| 23:29.16 | LTB | The synaptic install is still at "Preconfiguring packages" lol |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | kind of wishes cinnamon would get into wheezy to placate the gnome2 fans |
| 23:29.43 | LTB | Should GDM take as long as it has to install?:D |
| 23:29.48 | kevlarman | abrotman: it's still a compositor |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 23:30.02 | abrotman | LTB: a few minutes |
| 23:30.06 | kevlarman | abrotman: and it still requires pulseaudio |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | kevlarman: and? |
| 23:30.14 | LTB | Alright then... |
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| 23:30.20 | kevlarman | abrotman: 2 things i don't want |
| 23:30.30 | abrotman | kevlarman: most people complain about the look, not the sub-systems .. |
| 23:30.33 | hanasaki | abrotman: any value in cinnamon over gnome2? kde? |
| 23:30.55 | abrotman | hanasaki: i don't use KDE .. AIUI, cinnamon is "gnome2 in gnome3" |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | !cinnamon |
| 23:30.58 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. <ITP> filed as Debian bug #657395. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 23:31.02 | hanasaki | what's wrong with pulseaudio? |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | hanasaki: take a peek |
| 23:31.24 | kevlarman | hanasaki: they don't care about compatibility with existing programs very much |
| 23:31.28 | abrotman | hanasaki: it's a fifth level of abstraction for sound .. it's actually pretty nice, but people don't like it |
| 23:31.58 | kevlarman | hanasaki: when i complain about the latency it introduces they tell me my program is broken |
| 23:32.12 | kevlarman | and i should rewrite it to do things the pulse way |
| 23:32.17 | kevlarman | even though it's closed source |
| 23:32.30 | hanasaki | abrotman: kevlarman what sound does kde use? |
| 23:32.46 | kevlarman | hanasaki: kde uses phonon, which has a bunch of backends |
| 23:33.13 | abrotman | pulse really isn't that bad |
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| 23:33.17 | abrotman | in most cases |
| 23:33.26 | LTB | abrotman: it is if you want to record with ardour=( |
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| 23:33.33 | hanasaki | phonon-backend-gstreamer is all I have |
| 23:33.36 | abrotman | LTB: i use audacity |
| 23:33.39 | kevlarman | abrotman: it has some good things about it definitely |
| 23:33.51 | abrotman | application specific levels is a great thing |
| 23:33.51 | LTB | abrotman: lemme know if you need help with JACK/Ardour |
| 23:34.00 | abrotman | LTB: i use jack, not jackd |
| 23:34.02 | LTB | abrotman: can probably save you three days worth of heartache lol |
| 23:34.06 | kevlarman | abrotman: they just don't want to support my use case |
| 23:34.10 | kevlarman | so i can't use it |
| 23:34.13 | LTB | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 23:34.14 | hanasaki | so how does jack/jackd fit in? |
| 23:34.26 | LTB | abrotman: how come you don't use ardour? Such great recording software |
| 23:34.29 | abrotman | kevlarman: no one wants to help you play Leisure Suit Larry |
| 23:34.47 | hanasaki | rofl |
| 23:34.58 | hanasaki | is ardoour gnome based? |
| 23:35.00 | kevlarman | abrotman: i want programs that work now to continue working, is that so much to ask? |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | LTB: simple use, at most two tracks, acoustic guitar, audacity does what i need |
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| 23:35.14 | abrotman | kevlarman: yes .. MS would agree with me |
| 23:35.18 | LTB | hanasaki: ardour works with most I think |
| 23:35.21 | LTB | abrotman: Ok:D |
| 23:35.25 | hanasaki | so what to use to play video disks? record video / audio in kde? |
| 23:35.31 | abrotman | LTB: that said .. i'd love rosegarden to get some lovin' |
| 23:35.43 | abrotman | hanasaki: i use a PS3 :) |
| 23:35.46 | LTB | abrotman: get some lovin'?:D |
| 23:35.53 | hanasaki | playstation? |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | LTB: the interface is a bit wonky .. maybe because it's Qt-ish and i'm not used to that |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | hanasaki: yes |
| 23:36.40 | abrotman | hanasaki: i have a way larger TV than laptop . why would i watch movies on a laptop instead of a TV |
| 23:36.41 | LTB | abrotman: the interface in rosegarden you mean? |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | LTB: yeah |
| 23:37.13 | LTB | abrotman: try getting a midi-keyboard working alongside ardour, VLC and a usb-driven guitar amp |
| 23:37.20 | LTB | abrotman: friggin' nightmare |
| 23:37.38 | LTB | abrotman: if it hadn't been for those guys in #jack and #ardour I'd have hun myself haha |
| 23:37.39 | abrotman | LTB: guitar, acoustic .. |
| 23:37.43 | LTB | abrotman: haha:D |
| 23:38.00 | LTB | abrotman: Well, what do you use rosegarden for, then?:O |
| 23:38.14 | abrotman | LTB: i've bveen told i play keyboard pretty well for someone who has never had a piano lesson, but i still suck |
| 23:38.28 | abrotman | LTB: was supposed to be for the supporting cast sort of thing |
| 23:38.35 | LTB | abrotman: If you enjoy it, go with it:D |
| 23:38.40 | abrotman | and i do .. |
| 23:38.41 | LTB | abrotman: Ah, I see |
| 23:38.51 | LTB | abrotman: cheers! |
| 23:39.05 | abrotman | i think peterS is our resident musical person though |
| 23:39.06 | LTB | It's still preconfiguring the packages... |
| 23:39.14 | LTB | The hell is this download lol |
| 23:39.24 | jgalt | abrotman: finally got the mount command to run without error. ifup wlan0 gives 'Ignoring unknown interface wlan0-wlan0 |
| 23:39.41 | abrotman | jgalt: awesome . what's wrong with your box ? |
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| 23:40.21 | LTB | By the way, while we're waiting... what's a good install for handling a 5.1 surround system? |
| 23:40.31 | LTB | Right now only my two right and left speakers are giving sound |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | can't help you there |
| 23:41.11 | jgalt | abrotman: wish I knew, ended up this way after a failed upgrade from stable to testing due to power loss. |
| 23:41.42 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | that sounds very unfun |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | jgalt: did your upgrade finish ? dpkg --configure -a ? aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 23:42.21 | kevlarman | jgalt: i'd be tempted to just reinstall if that happened |
| 23:42.22 | jgalt | abortman: QUITE! |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | kevlarman: you would |
| 23:43.06 | kevlarman | speaking of which, i need to stick my desktop in a ups |
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| 23:43.23 | abrotman | in a UPS?!!? |
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| 23:44.14 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: see? those Mac miniaturization freaks know no limits :) |
| 23:44.14 | kevlarman | you know, power strip strapped to a huge lead acid battery |
| 23:44.27 | abrotman | IN A UPS?! |
| 23:44.32 | wdroberts0 | uninterruptable power supply |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | on a ups you mean? |
| 23:44.40 | thewanderer1 | hands abrotman a glass of water |
| 23:44.41 | kevlarman | yes |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | cause you know .. IN . not so much fun |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: how did you know? |
| 23:44.53 | wdroberts0 | though you do plug something "in" |
| 23:44.59 | kevlarman | abrotman: well, stick the power cord in it |
| 23:45.09 | abrotman | eww .. sounds like a USSR thing |
| 23:45.12 | LTB | hanasaki: this install is taking very long... |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | LTB: toolong for one package .. something is goofy |
| 23:46.24 | LTB | I had a terminal logged in as root |
| 23:46.27 | LTB | Would that make it wait? |
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| 23:46.57 | abrotman | no |
| 23:47.09 | jgalt | abrotman: dpkg --configure -a tries then ends with 'processing was halted because there were too many errors.' |
| 23:47.57 | abrotman | oh, that's bad |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | jgalt: paste.debian.net if you can / |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:51.11 | LTB | hanasaki: hmm.. still installing=( |
| 23:51.22 | jgalt | abrotman: hard to paste between 2 disconnected computers. bringing the one being fixed on net would help a bunch. I can retype to pastebin if that's prefered, just figured the lines have been short enough so as not to flood. |
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| 23:52.05 | abrotman | jgalt: let's start iwth the first error if possible ? |
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| 23:52.24 | alice | Hello |
| 23:52.29 | LTB | alice: Hey=) |
| 23:52.54 | alice | I'm having issues with Intel HD Graphics 3000 (Lenovo laptop) |
| 23:53.10 | alice | Can I borrow your time for a while ? |
| 23:53.12 | abrotman | alice: and what OS ? |
| 23:53.19 | alice | crunchbang |
| 23:53.32 | alice | the kernel 2.6.32 seems to bee too old |
| 23:53.35 | LTB | alice: doing a reboot... brb:) |
| 23:53.47 | abrotman | alice: crunchbang support is in #crunchbang-linux IIRC .. not here |
| 23:54.02 | alice | they sent me here ;] |
| 23:54.03 | abrotman | sorry, just #crunchbang |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | alice: well, can't help you here, it's not supported here |
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| 23:54.25 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, should I be able to launch SuperMicro remote KVM with OpenJDK6? it does nothing at the moment |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | alice: your choices are #crunchbang or ##linux |
| 23:54.28 | alice | oh |
| 23:54.34 | alice | thanks then :) |
| 23:54.41 | KerrMD | abrotman: #the underlying system is debian and does nod deviate... |
| 23:54.49 | abrotman | alice: and you can tell #crunchbang that Crunchbang isn't support In #debian |
| 23:55.07 | abrotman | KerrMD: if it were supported in #debian, it would be called Debian .. end of discussion |
| 23:55.26 | KerrMD | wow. Nice tude. ttfn |
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| 23:55.33 | jgalt | abrotman: thought I did.... or maybe I'm missing something. |
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| 23:55.51 | abrotman | jgalt: that was a bit vague .. we need the text it spits out at least .. |
| 23:56.02 | abrotman | "too many errors" isn't telling us what the first error is |
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| 23:56.54 | peterrooney | abrotman: how did you sniff out crunchbang? |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | i asked? |
| 23:57.36 | abrotman | andi have a nice tude .. whatever that is |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | checks his rear end |
| 23:58.00 | peterrooney | abrotman: it's on your ear, not your ass |
| 23:58.19 | dvs | "It's not a tuder" |
| 23:58.53 | Derpadong | tude = attitude |
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| 23:59.33 | Derpadong | =D |
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| 23:59.54 | jgalt | abrotman: ah, yes the full text, 3-4 pages worth that scroll off the screen.... not sure how to capture that. know a creative way to capture that to a file and still have the console take input and display to screen. |