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| 00:00.58 | dstorrs | pardon, folks. I'm trying to install the perl module Net::Address::IP::Local on squeeze. AFAICT, there is no package for it, which surprises me since it's been around for a while. Am I missing something, or should I look for an alternative (cpan install / whatever)? |
| 00:01.16 | xixor | not running on old crappy hand-me-down hardware, not dual booting... just a top-end machine.. running debian, 24/7 |
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| 00:02.15 | streuner_ | xixor: i would ask debian-isp then |
| 00:02.52 | dstorrs | I found this: http://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/dcontrol?package=libnet-address-ip-local-perl&version=0.1.2-2 but http://search.debian.org/ returns nothing |
| 00:03.31 | xixor | streuner_: debian-isp? |
| 00:03.48 | streuner_ | xixor: yes, the mailing-list |
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| 00:05.58 | streuner_ | good night |
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| 00:24.36 | xixor | engla: yeah.. having trouble.. I have rEFIT installed, partitioned/shrunk the mac hard drive, wrote a testing-iso disk to USB key, when I boot from the USB key I get "Non-system disk" |
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| 00:29.29 | cads | Hi, I'd like to put linux on my laptop. I've used both debian and ubuntu in the past, and have a few concerns about both, in comparison to OSes like win7 (current OS), and OSX. But I'm doing some coding now, and really missing the linux environment (I've been working in a debian VM, but it's just not the same). |
| 00:29.48 | cads | It will also serve as a general desktop environment. My main concerns with linux is that in the past I've had to put work into configuring hardware (xorg problems, needing special kernel modules), networking (file sharing with other OSes, wireless), and multimedia (mp3 codecs, ALSA problems). |
| 00:30.04 | xixor | cads: ha, you're in the same boat as me.... I'm trying to install linux on my mac because running it in a VM just doesn't feel the same |
| 00:30.16 | cads | I've had these kinds of issues with both distributions, but have tended to have more issues with debian |
| 00:30.50 | cads | xixor, I wish you success :) |
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| 00:31.55 | cads | I am wondering if anyone can contrast the current experience between debian and ubuntu, especially with regards to the built in laptop and multimedia capabilities |
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| 00:32.50 | cads | I should perhaps accept that I will have to do some command-line fiddling with configuration issues either way |
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| 00:33.18 | engla | xixor: did you write to /dev/rdisk* note the r? also I haven't used refit so I don't know if that changes anything |
| 00:33.55 | cads | but I'd like to be able to access as much configuration as possible through graphical configuration apps.. this mostly applies for wireless/networking/sharing |
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| 00:34.34 | xixor | enga: Yeah, I did do that actually... I wonder if I should try a different install image? |
| 00:34.44 | cads | for more involved things I can work with documentation and howtos |
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| 00:38.28 | cads | I may simply dive into debian, and forget the notion of ubuntu as a kind of linux security blanket, but I have minimal free time, and little skill to efficiently deal with little issues |
| 00:38.51 | engla | xixor: I don't know. The information you can find is a mess really, EFI support and GPT and everything |
| 00:39.19 | cads | hah, mostly I'd like some reassurance that things are better for laptops than they were, say two years ago |
| 00:39.21 | xixor | engla: yeah, its a bit of a tangled mess... I appreciate that apple isn't very forthcoming about hardware details, so there is a bit of trial-and-error involved |
| 00:39.26 | engla | one MBP install howto for debian that is linked from the wiki, it uses an ubuntu install image to boot then installing debian with debootstrap.. |
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| 00:39.47 | xixor | cads: I think there is a general difficulty on getting linux support on the latest hardware |
| 00:40.29 | xixor | cads: companies can be less than completely open about details. If you were using your same hardware from 2 years ago, I would say, absolutely yes, things would be much better now |
| 00:40.49 | engla | xixor: which iso did you use? |
| 00:40.50 | xixor | cads: if you have a new machine, Z77 chipset, with an ivy-bridge engineering sample running intel 4000HD on-die GPU... probably not |
| 00:41.20 | xixor | engla: I was following the instructions from the arch wiki you pasted to me |
| 00:41.29 | engla | if it's hardware and intel graphics then the solution is easy, get a newer kernel |
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| 00:42.00 | engla | xixor: ok. I used those instructions for copying to USB but with a netboot ISO (amd64, debian testing snapshot from 19 jan) |
| 00:42.09 | xixor | engla: following that arch wiki, I used dd to write the netinstall .iso to usb key, held down the option key at boot to boot from the usb key... get an invalid disk error |
| 00:42.21 | engla | hm strange |
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| 00:43.37 | blahdeblah | Anyone Nagios/Icinga users around? I'm debating whether i should install from Debian repo, or go straight to the source. Both squeeze packages are quite old and a number of stable releases from upstream have been released since. |
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| 00:43.52 | blahdeblah | FWIW, I'm reluctant to add wheezy/sid packages to my squeeze machines, but would that be less effort than maintaining a direct download installation? |
| 00:44.44 | gnarface | dpkg: tell blahdeblah about backports |
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| 00:44.56 | blahdeblah | Didn't think of checking there. |
| 00:44.59 | blahdeblah | looks |
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| 00:46.05 | gnarface | blahdeblah: even if there isn't a package already compiled, its often easier to do a simple sid backport of the source package than it is to compile and package from upstream source. |
| 00:46.31 | xixor | engla: I am going to try another install image |
| 00:47.04 | gnarface | blahdeblah: don't under any circumstances at all ever just install a wheezy/sid/ubuntu/any other distro, branch, or revision package on your squeeze system |
| 00:47.26 | blahdeblah | No, i would use pinning |
| 00:47.33 | blahdeblah | But i try not to do that if i can help it |
| 00:48.05 | blahdeblah | But even the sid version of nagios3 is from 2010... |
| 00:48.40 | blahdeblah | Icinga version in backports looks pretty recent. |
| 00:48.43 | blahdeblah | I might go with that. |
| 00:48.50 | cads | thanks for the input xixor.. the machine is maybe a year and a half old |
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| 00:49.25 | cads | xixor: I'll try the live disk |
| 00:49.38 | xixor | cads: live disks are a good idea. Are you thinking of debian stable, or debian testing? |
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| 00:50.36 | cads | stable. though |
| 00:50.50 | cads | though I'll admit I kind of like the flash of testing :) |
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| 04:07.23 | pbase | I had downloaded debian stable iso earlier in 2011. can I use jigdo to update the iso contents? or will I have to get the iso in a jigdo format? |
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| 04:08.38 | buu | So.. |
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| 04:09.07 | buu | I've got a computer. Running debian. The computer has installed: 2x 2GB sticks. 2x 1GB sticks. /proc/meminfo thinks it has 3.1GB of ram. I'm very confused. |
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| 04:09.30 | pbase | buu: 32 bit os |
| 04:09.38 | pbase | use a 64 bit os |
| 04:09.40 | buu | Linux workbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:09.47 | buu | Is that not 64bit enough? |
| 04:09.52 | pbase | yes it is |
| 04:10.24 | pbase | well there may be a case |
| 04:10.26 | buu | So.. |
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| 04:10.37 | pbase | if you have just updated the kernel to 64 bit |
| 04:10.47 | buu | Clean install, rebooted,e tc. |
| 04:11.02 | pbase | hmm no idea then |
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| 04:12.30 | pbase | how much memory does the bios report? |
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| 04:13.36 | buu | uh |
| 04:13.45 | buu | I don't really have a good way to tell |
| 04:13.52 | pbase | your memory modules "might" be non-functional |
| 04:14.05 | buu | Yeah, I guess so |
| 04:14.18 | buu | Not sure what combination of 2x1 and 2x2 gives me "3" but |
| 04:14.20 | pbase | or they have diff frequencies |
| 04:15.03 | pbase | try swapping the slots |
| 04:15.10 | pbase | I mean the modules in the slots |
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| 04:16.27 | pbase | a simple way I would have tried is to incrementally add the modules one at a time and see when I get the problems |
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| 04:17.01 | buu | Yeah, I guess so. |
| 04:17.43 | pbase | what proc are you using |
| 04:18.01 | pbase | gues has to be a new one as you are using 6 gigs |
| 04:18.38 | buu | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU |
| 04:19.02 | pbase | its a family.. which is the processor |
| 04:19.14 | pbase | in this this family |
| 04:19.41 | buu | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz |
| 04:19.45 | buu | ? |
| 04:19.51 | pbase | yeah |
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| 04:29.27 | pbase | no idea the proc specs seems all fine and compatible |
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| 04:40.04 | Tux | trying to install debian on a Compaq Presario SR1103WM and it will not work. Ubuntu 11.10 works on the same exact machine. |
| 04:40.30 | Tux | default -> hangs 2 seconds later at "switching to clocksource jiffies" |
| 04:40.52 | Tux | no*apic -> initramfs init gets killed and machine kernel panics |
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| 04:43.24 | Tux | have checked the ISO against md5sums |
| 04:49.57 | Lns | Tux, is your hardware clock stable? (sorry can't think of anything else) |
| 04:50.41 | Tux | hmm... let me check |
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| 04:54.06 | sirriffsalot_ | Hey! I can't get sound coming from VLC to come out of more than "playback_1" and "playback_2" through JACK... any ideas? |
| 04:54.19 | Tux | Lns, I fixed that but it still does not boot. |
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| 04:55.59 | sirriffsalot_ | Any ideas on my surround issue?:) |
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| 04:56.29 | Tux | Now saying "Switching to clocksource pit" and hangs there too |
| 04:56.34 | Tux | with the no*apic |
| 04:57.03 | Tux | Let me start Ubuntu on it so you can get more info |
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| 05:00.45 | sirriffsalot_ | Can no one help with this?:( |
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| 05:01.00 | Tux | sirriffsalot_, I am not a master in JACK 9_9 |
| 05:01.15 | sirriffsalot_ | Tux: just a surround issue:/ :D |
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| 05:02.49 | Lns | Tux, what version of debian? |
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| 05:33.32 | alesan | hi |
| 05:33.55 | alesan | has anybody used those usb internet keys? |
| 05:34.34 | alesan | I would like to reach a host over ssh using one of those keys (on that host) |
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| 06:44.01 | lasher | I'm trying to find a distro that will support my videcard well - Lenny seems like the go - but is it good to go for this distro? |
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| 06:45.28 | mah454 | I installed sarg log analyzer for squid |
| 06:45.30 | nsadmin | foreach tryDist in dists begin try tryDist end |
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| 06:45.56 | lasher | and if mirrors ar down does that mean netinstall wont work? |
| 06:46.21 | mah454 | this program generate reports but I need repomove old's sarg reports . How can do this ? |
| 06:46.23 | nsadmin | no, it has a backup of minimal and installer |
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| 06:47.02 | Trewas | lasher: having no idea what your video card is I'd say that lenny is probably not the best choice in general for good hardware support, because it is fairly old |
| 06:47.54 | lasher | the card is ati radeon x1650pro - i read that older distro's work with the propriety drivers |
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| 06:49.04 | Trewas | I have no idea about radeons, but newer is usually better if you have to consider whether the distro supports your video card |
| 06:49.22 | lasher | i think I'll justgive up on the card and go with testing |
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| 06:50.38 | rozie | lasher: what is your card? |
| 06:50.50 | rozie | oh, I see |
| 06:51.18 | rozie | lasher: it works pretty well with radeon driver |
| 06:51.47 | rozie | I had x1600 mobile in my previous laptop |
| 06:51.48 | lasher | so they say - but it was almost unusable with ubuntuband mint |
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| 06:52.16 | rozie | well, I don't use fancy 3d effects on desktop |
| 06:53.14 | rozie | running old distro will cause more problems - unpatched security bugs and so on |
| 06:53.15 | lasher | i find certain elements of compiz extremely productive |
| 06:53.34 | nsadmin | lasher, if this is for a server and especially for a remote, consider carefully before rejecting stable |
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| 06:53.49 | kleanchap | Is there a gui tool for lvm on debian? |
| 06:53.55 | lasher | no it's for a desktop |
| 06:54.02 | seroki | what is the least amount of hardware you need to run compiz or compiz-fusion adequately |
| 06:54.05 | rozie | I'd just buy some suported nvidia card |
| 06:54.31 | rozie | or modern ati/amd |
| 06:54.37 | lasher | yeah - it's really a nice card though - in windows it's great for agp |
| 06:55.10 | lasher | but yes.. i will never buy ati again |
| 06:55.20 | rozie | so said I |
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| 06:55.44 | rozie | but bought laptop with amd instead of intel |
| 06:55.57 | rozie | in fact it has both cards |
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| 06:56.56 | Arafangion` | Does the Wifi on the Intel 79 chipset work in debian? |
| 06:57.00 | Arafangion` | Intel X79, rather. |
| 06:57.01 | Trewas | seroki: even old intel "gpus" are good enough for compiz, at least for the basic composition without fancy effects |
| 06:57.12 | WuxiIxuw | Hello |
| 06:57.33 | Arafangion` | seroki: If it helps, I have an NVidia Ion2 working with what must be Compiz just fine, on an Atom CPU. |
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| 06:58.08 | WuxiIxuw | Please I do not know a lot about debian or linux but i must use a vps for my website and secure it as possible to run my website ... i would like to ask for help for how to add the website and secure the vps. |
| 06:58.15 | dissidentat | ,tell dissidentat -about bat |
| 06:58.25 | seroki | I think the last time i used compiz-fusion was when i tried it out on my high-end pc in 2009. Are they at 1.0.0 yet? |
| 06:58.28 | WuxiIxuw | the vps using debian-6.0-x86-minimal |
| 06:58.37 | WuxiIxuw | running on an open vz system |
| 06:58.59 | WuxiIxuw | the reason i am choosing debian is the main server machine running debian |
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| 06:59.26 | WuxiIxuw | also because i do not know about linux or do not have any special preferences |
| 06:59.49 | WuxiIxuw | i tried to follow tutorials from how to forge but get a lot of bash- command not found |
| 06:59.59 | rozie | Arafangion`: take a look on Debian's wiki |
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| 07:00.02 | WuxiIxuw | so how can i get started for this topic |
| 07:00.07 | lasher | seroki: 0.8.8 is the stable |
| 07:00.20 | Arafangion` | rozie: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 07:01.32 | rozie | Arafangion`: if it's visible with lspci command, you can use Debian hcl |
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| 07:01.54 | Arafangion` | rozie: It's difficult to run lspci on a board you don't have yet - I'm trying to determine if I should get it. :( |
| 07:01.57 | WuxiIxuw | i am here right now : http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-nginx-with-php5-and-mysql-support-on-debian-squeeze |
| 07:02.11 | Arafangion` | rozie: I'm looking at this board in particular: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/P9X79_DELUXE/#specifications |
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| 07:02.33 | WuxiIxuw | http://pastebin.com/jSQumQW6 |
| 07:02.39 | WuxiIxuw | this is the error I've now |
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| 07:03.31 | rozie | Arafangion`: you need to find out what wifi card is used on this chipset |
| 07:04.06 | Arafangion` | rozie: Yes, that's the trouble. |
| 07:04.08 | rozie | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices |
| 07:04.17 | rozie | intel is pretty well supported |
| 07:04.37 | Arafangion` | rozie: I'm wondering if I should consider running windows on it, and then running Debian in it if it just so happens that the wifi isn't quite supported. |
| 07:04.49 | Arafangion` | But that'll probably annoy me, I've used Debian for over a decade. |
| 07:05.07 | WuxiIxuw | hope someone may help me |
| 07:05.37 | Arafangion` | WuxiIxuw: You may want to find a consultant, or find yourself a local installation of debian to familiase yourself with it. |
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| 07:06.23 | rozie | but well, it may be some other chipset, not Intel |
| 07:06.29 | WuxiIxuw | Arafangion`: It is already installed on the vps right now but I do not know how to go on |
| 07:06.41 | WuxiIxuw | Arafangion`: this is why i am here right now :) |
| 07:06.56 | rozie | I'd ask Asus for details |
| 07:07.13 | Arafangion` | Hmm, as in, email them, asking if they work with linux? |
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| 07:07.37 | xbix | just run liive cd debian & look for your chpset working |
| 07:07.52 | Arafangion` | xbix: How would I do that before I order it? |
| 07:09.28 | WuxiIxuw | Arafangion`: what do you mean |
| 07:09.42 | Arafangion` | WuxiIxuw: With what? |
| 07:10.24 | rozie | Arafangion`: and what exactly is chipset for the wifi |
| 07:10.47 | WuxiIxuw | (9:06:54 AM) Arafangion`: Hmm, as in, email them, asking if they work with linux? |
| 07:10.51 | rozie | xbix: he didn't buy the board yet |
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| 07:11.17 | Arafangion` | rozie: Seems to be Realtek 8111E and/or Intel 82579V |
| 07:11.31 | Arafangion` | WuxiIxuw: That was in response to rozie's suggestion, to me. |
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| 07:12.53 | Arafangion` | rozie: It's a socket 2011 board, which is very new. |
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| 07:13.50 | WuxiIxuw | Oh |
| 07:13.55 | WuxiIxuw | Ok, |
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| 07:14.08 | rozie | Arafangion`: Intel 82579V |
| 07:14.11 | rozie | is wired one |
| 07:14.48 | rozie | http://www.twm-kd.com/linux/realtek-rtl81688111e-and-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 07:14.52 | Arafangion` | rozie: I guess that means that the Realtek 8111E's the wireless. |
| 07:15.27 | rozie | looks like Realtek is also wired one |
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| 07:15.46 | Arafangion` | rozie: Promising, though. |
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| 08:11.15 | pavlov | hello |
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| 08:14.47 | Timmy | how can i use wicd instead network manager ? i have installed wicd, but it seems that it is using network manager, and if i remove network manager nothin will work, how can i set everything to use wicd instead after removing network manager? |
| 08:15.36 | valdyn | Timmy: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 08:17.40 | Timmy | valdyn, i can't understand it. i mean i don't know what i have to look for |
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| 08:24.08 | pavlov | Why is it that when I attempt to "apt-get remove evolution", gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment will also be removed? |
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| 08:27.11 | Iridos | pavlov, because they're metapackages, so is gnome |
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| 08:33.03 | pavlov | I'm reading up on metapackages now. |
| 08:33.06 | Iridos | pavlov, they're also marked as autoinstalled and only present because of the "gnome" package |
| 08:33.08 | pavlov | thanks |
| 08:33.34 | Iridos | pavlov, apt-cache show gnome | less search with /evolution |
| 08:33.49 | Iridos | dpkg, metapackage |
| 08:33.49 | dpkg | from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 08:33.58 | Iridos | dpkg autoremove |
| 08:33.58 | dpkg | autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>. |
| 08:35.07 | Iridos | pavlov, I wasn't exact... gnome is removed because it depends on evolution. It's a metapackage, so doesn't contain anything, but it _does_ depend on gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment, which are marked "auto" and so are automatically removed when no other package depends on then |
| 08:35.29 | Iridos | well, "automatically" aptitude just does it, apt-get suggests you run apt-get autoremove |
| 08:35.41 | pavlov | I have a shell script I'm writing to automate installation of my debian packages. Do you have any suggestions for how I should go about doing this? |
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| 08:36.06 | Iridos | depends... |
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| 08:36.25 | Iridos | there is preseeding for automated installs using the installer |
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| 08:36.59 | Iridos | or, if you want to clone the packages of an existing machine to another, you can do |
| 08:37.06 | Iridos | dpkg, debian clone |
| 08:37.06 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 08:37.13 | Iridos | this |
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| 08:38.06 | Iridos | ( you can also /msg dpkg preseeding for more on the installer method) |
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| 08:45.17 | pavlov | thanks |
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| 09:00.29 | sp4rc | guys i am looking for paste tool like fpaste for fedora, any help? |
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| 09:01.04 | Iridos | what does fpaste do |
| 09:01.35 | cromag | ah |
| 09:01.38 | cromag | pastebinit |
| 09:01.41 | sp4rc | it's a script for fpaste.org (pastebin) |
| 09:01.54 | Iridos | or nopaste |
| 09:02.00 | sp4rc | e.g. $ cat /etc/my.conf | fpaste |
| 09:02.02 | Iridos | dpkg, nopaste |
| 09:02.03 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 09:02.10 | cromag | dpkg, pastebinit |
| 09:02.10 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 09:02.21 | cromag | tada :D |
| 09:02.32 | Iridos | yes, but that is by default configured to use pastebin.com, which annoys people |
| 09:02.37 | Iridos | dpkg, pastebinit config |
| 09:02.38 | dpkg | To configure pastebinit in squeeze to use paste.debian.net, echo "<pastebinit><pastebin>http://paste.debian.net</pastebin><author>$USER</author><format>text</format><jabberid>nobody@nowhere.org</jabberid></pastebinit>" > ~/.pastebinit.xml |
| 09:02.40 | sp4rc | i should have asked my question more specific, is there a nopaste server especially for debian? |
| 09:02.46 | sp4rc | ah |
| 09:02.58 | cromag | it anoys people ? |
| 09:03.04 | cromag | how come ? |
| 09:03.21 | sp4rc | yes, why should this annoy people? |
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| 09:03.45 | sp4rc | everyone on irc starts streaming at you if you start pasting many lines of configuration |
| 09:03.47 | Iridos | pastebin.com? lots of ads (that I admittedly don't see), flash-bus etc |
| 09:03.59 | cromag | ah |
| 09:04.05 | Iridos | sp4rc, not putting stuff into a pastebin... choosing pastebin.com as your pastebin |
| 09:04.05 | cromag | understandable |
| 09:04.19 | Iridos | which is the default for pastebinit in squeeze |
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| 09:04.28 | cromag | well, it's possible to change anyways as you pointed out |
| 09:04.39 | Iridos | which, so I heard, has been finally changed to used debians pastebin in wheezy |
| 09:04.58 | cromag | that's smart. |
| 09:05.11 | Iridos | cromag, yes... and as usual we talked a long time about it, me pointing it out |
| 09:05.18 | cromag | heh |
| 09:05.52 | Iridos | so I try to just suggest nopaste for now, which has a different default |
| 09:06.10 | cromag | i agree with you on that |
| 09:06.18 | cromag | it's the same, just another bin |
| 09:06.20 | sp4rc | hm default seems to be gist.github.com |
| 09:06.24 | Iridos | pastebinit in its default also broke within the last half year because pastebin.com changed their interface |
| 09:06.30 | cromag | fail |
| 09:06.56 | Iridos | heh |
| 09:07.02 | Iridos | well, I myself reconfigured pastebinit :) |
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| 09:08.26 | sp4rc | hm nopaste complains with: "App::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Pastie.pm line 13" |
| 09:08.38 | sp4rc | and "App::Nopaste::Service::ssh: No NOPASTE_SSH_SERVER set at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste.pm line 44." |
| 09:08.49 | sp4rc | but it works and provides a link |
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| 09:09.23 | sp4rc | unfortunately theris no documentation under /usr/share/doc/nopaste* |
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| 09:11.01 | sp4rc | can someone help my on my simple bash script and tell me how i need to quote my directory on line 73? https://gist.github.com/2383025 |
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| 09:12.23 | sp4rc | i have already tried "/home/sp4rc/VirtualBox VMs" and /home/sp4rc/VirtualBox\ VMs |
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| 09:16.29 | sirriffsalot__ | Hello...:) I connect the master_out 1 and 2 to "playback_1,2,3,4,5,6" in JACK connections as appropriate, right? For some reason there still only comes sound out from center and sub... Same goes for doing that with the VLC output, could someone please help?:) |
| 09:16.34 | sephii | sp4rc: you could try the following: SRC_DIRS=<<<EOD ... your content ... EOD (on a new line) |
| 09:17.21 | sp4rc | sephii: thanks, but whats the difference |
| 09:18.51 | sephii | sp4rc: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/here-docs.html |
| 09:19.28 | sirriffsalot__ | No one has a clue?:/ |
| 09:19.31 | sephii | sp4rc: try to quote the entry in the heredoc block |
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| 09:26.57 | laurus | What should $JAVA_HOME be set to in Debian for OpenJDK? |
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| 09:43.39 | Iridos | jkh87y9, failed |
| 09:44.15 | Iridos | sirr... |
| 09:44.22 | Iridos | youth of today... so impatient |
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| 09:49.20 | Iridos | sp4rc, I think actually it tries nopaste first, but they also changed how their form looks like... so it tries the next pastebin from a list of things and so you end up with the github thingy |
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| 09:49.59 | Iridos | (just a guess) |
| 09:50.11 | Iridos | huh |
| 09:50.22 | Iridos | what's zmdc and why is it doing a zmaudit |
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| 09:51.17 | darsie | Hi! I want to virtualize debian to remotely test a certain boot setup. I have never virtualized before. Which do you recommend? |
| 09:51.26 | Iridos | argh, zoneminder... one sholdn't install all kinds of crap just because it's mentioned in here and one is curious about it but then has no time to look at it more closely :( |
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| 09:52.53 | Iridos | darsie, I've not done a lot with virtualization, but we have some nice factoids on stuff... you can /msg dpkg factoid on every further <factoid> mentioned in <>brackets |
| 09:52.55 | Iridos | dpkg, virtualization |
| 09:52.56 | dpkg | For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>. |
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| 09:53.40 | darsie | Specifically I want to use the debian installer to remotely install debian via ssh. |
| 09:53.48 | darsie | ok ... |
| 09:53.56 | Iridos | that has nothing to do with virtualization, though |
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| 09:55.17 | Iridos | and the installer doesn't do that... the installer is booting & running from cdrom and uses the console |
| 09:55.17 | darsie | Iridos: No, but I want to try it virtualized before I do it for real, so I don't lock the machine accidently. |
| 09:55.44 | darsie | Iridos: It can be compiled to accept ssh logins and do the install from there. |
| 09:56.48 | Iridos | darsie, hm... actually I wonder if that isn't more work than having a rescue disk ready and fix stuff up if really you end up with a machine not booting |
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| 09:57.34 | darsie | The machine usually is just in the next room, but I still want to do it remotely to gain this ability. |
| 09:57.48 | Iridos | also not sure how useful a testcase that is against getting a system that doesn't boot (which is rare, though) |
| 09:57.49 | darsie | But right now I'm 300 km from it. |
| 09:57.54 | Iridos | heh |
| 09:57.59 | Iridos | ok, fairysnuff |
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| 09:58.24 | Iridos | so it's for the same reason you want to do it inside a virtual machine? |
| 09:59.36 | darsie | The machine may lock up e.g. because the d-i picks the wrong NIC. So I want to try this first virtualized, then I'll run it for real and reinstall squeeze. |
| 10:00.01 | Iridos | if you install from linux to linux, there's also debootstrap |
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| 10:00.39 | Iridos | which means not using the installer |
| 10:00.55 | darsie | hmm |
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| 10:01.51 | darsie | Iridos: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 10:02.50 | Iridos | hehe "These instructions are not for the weak of heart." |
| 10:03.03 | darsie | :) |
| 10:03.20 | Iridos | I dunno... I wouldn't recommend that, except possibly for the learning experience |
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| 10:03.52 | darsie | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/DebianInstaller_Remotely_with_Multiple_Network_Interfaces |
| 10:04.55 | Iridos | also this pretty much assumes you have apt and a build environment and debian dev-tools on a system |
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| 10:06.09 | darsie | I have debian. But I installed a clean squeeze on a small partition, because the other installations were not clean enough for the d-i compilation. |
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| 10:06.49 | fasta_ | I get setgid: Operation not permitted when I execute a 4755 file as a normal user. How can I make it accept that? |
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| 10:14.19 | UT2K3 | hi guys! I have to create stats about the delivery time of mails from a backup-mx to the main mailserver. The backup-mx is using postfix. Does anybody now a snippet or a tool to read from the postfix log how long the delivery of a mail takes? |
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| 10:22.33 | fasta_ | Has Debian disabled the setuid bit for shell scripts? |
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| 10:23.41 | jelly-home | fasta_: no. Linux kernel has. |
| 10:24.11 | fasta_ | jelly-home: hmm, questionable decision, but ok. |
| 10:24.21 | jelly-home | fasta_: setuid #! scripts are explicitely disable in the kernel, have been for 15 years |
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| 10:24.38 | jelly-home | use sudo or your own binary wrapper |
| 10:24.58 | fasta_ | jelly-home: it seems fairly arbitrary to discriminate bash and not C. |
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| 10:25.09 | fasta_ | jelly-home: yes |
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| 10:27.40 | Slamd64 | hello. i have issue with netinstall. i have wlan atheros ath5k. when the installer shows up and tries to detect wlan card it freezes. on laptop i have a switch, and when i release switch and again activate led is off, which means that rfkill kills wlan radio. wlan is recognized out of box and it is on list. please help |
| 10:28.28 | jelly-home | fasta_: it's not bash in particular, it's any #! interpreter script |
| 10:28.55 | Iridos | fasta_, there's also suidperl |
| 10:29.18 | Iridos | fasta_, and it's not _falsely_ discriminating |
| 10:29.30 | Iridos | read up on the security implications if you think so |
| 10:30.20 | jelly-home | security implications are meh. It's just a Linux quirk, all the other unices Deal With It |
| 10:31.14 | alex- | is there any way how I can block ip's after several faulty logins/ |
| 10:31.16 | alex- | ? |
| 10:31.22 | alex- | is fail2ban the right tool for this? |
| 10:31.27 | jelly-home | it is, alex- |
| 10:31.33 | alex- | ah |
| 10:31.34 | alex- | thanks |
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| 10:33.07 | Iridos | jelly-home, yeah... like IRIX... "as hard to get root as to steal the milk bottle from a newborn when the mother is away" |
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| 10:35.18 | alex- | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 10:35.20 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.22 | alex- | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 10:35.24 | alex- | is this bad? |
| 10:36.00 | Woet | run apt-get update |
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| 10:36.06 | Woet | and see whether you get any errors, like keys missing |
| 10:36.13 | alex- | nope |
| 10:36.32 | alex- | is it better to use a proxy or not? |
| 10:36.33 | ougogo | HI all |
| 10:36.34 | alex- | for apt |
| 10:36.47 | jelly-home | alex-: it does not matter, really |
| 10:36.54 | alex- | ok |
| 10:36.55 | Iridos | alex-, do you have debian-keyring installed? |
| 10:36.57 | ajohnstone | Hi, want to test a number of scenarios for high availability. I.e. network cable being pulled, which I am testing again an environment on vagrant (virtualbox headless). Which will be applied at random. What tests would you apply to test? Remove intefaces, high IO, high CPU. Whats the best way to test OOM killing the machine? |
| 10:37.02 | alex- | Iridos: i don't know |
| 10:37.18 | Iridos | run dpkg -l debian-keyring |
| 10:37.21 | alex- | jelly-home: which port do i have to open for the proxy to work? |
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| 10:37.32 | Iridos | ops, that must be wrong |
| 10:37.35 | alex- | No packages found matching debian-keyring. |
| 10:37.38 | Iridos | I don't have that installed! |
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| 10:38.47 | alex- | Which port do I have to open in the firewall for the apt proxy to work? |
| 10:38.50 | Iridos | so wtf is it called now |
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| 10:39.35 | thunder1212 | is gui there in the debian cd 1 |
| 10:40.23 | Iridos | it was installed for me once, though... perhaps that's enough to still have the keys |
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| 10:40.49 | jelly-home | debian-archive-keyring is what Iridos wanted to write |
| 10:41.07 | Iridos | isn't that for the snapshots archive? |
| 10:41.12 | jelly-home | no. |
| 10:41.22 | Iridos | jelly-home, has there been more renaming-to-maximize-confusion going on? |
| 10:41.28 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 10:41.41 | Iridos | sounds like it, though |
| 10:41.55 | ougogo | I've a question. I've a web server in "/www". I've a lot of files in "/home/xxx/". Is it possible to grant access at anyone to ".dem" (only .dem and not other) (for download it) files contained in "/home/xxx/" from my web server ? For example, have a php page that lists all ".dem" on directory "/ home / xxx /". Thanks ! |
| 10:42.01 | thunder1212 | hi |
| 10:42.03 | jelly-home | debian-keyring is maintainers, debian-archive-keyring is debian mirrors |
| 10:42.26 | jelly-home | Iridos: it's confusing without hhaving ever been renamed |
| 10:42.27 | thunder1212 | Iridos, is gnome there in debian cd 1 iso |
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| 10:43.14 | Iridos | jelly-home, I see how that would save some work |
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| 10:43.53 | Iridos | I'm also pretty sure one used to have debian-keyring installed... perhaps it's old age creeping up on me |
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| 10:44.03 | thunder1212 | is gnome desktop environment present in debian cd1 which i have downloaded |
| 10:44.17 | Iridos | dpkg, tell thunder1212 about cd contents |
| 10:44.34 | Iridos | thunder1212, I think so, but check yourself |
| 10:44.43 | Iridos | with the info dpkg just gave you in a private message |
| 10:46.36 | jelly-home | Iridos: that may be, but one did not use it to help with apt mirror verification |
| 10:47.53 | Iridos | ok, then I'm sure I used to think so :) |
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| 10:50.11 | Iridos | dpkg, ping |
| 10:50.12 | dpkg | Yes, iridos, you are online. |
| 10:50.14 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 10:50.26 | thunder1212 | dpkg, ping |
| 10:50.27 | dpkg | Yes, thunder1212 you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 10:50.56 | Iridos | schrödingers connection :-/ |
| 10:50.56 | somiaj | thunder1212: if you goto live.debian.net you can download a live image based on gnome which I think is slightly more complete than the gnome on cd1. |
| 10:51.34 | thunder1212 | somiaj, thanks, i saw that buthave already downloaded cd1 |
| 10:51.36 | somiaj | (you can install from the live image as well), though if the computer has a decent network connenction you can install with the netinstaller and then get gnome packages directally from the net |
| 10:51.56 | somiaj | it should be easy enough to download anything your missing from the net if you use that to install |
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| 10:53.36 | Iridos | which will, btw, be part of the install routine... |
| 10:54.00 | Iridos | thunder1212, so don't worry about all that if the computer you install has internet connectivity |
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| 11:00.04 | fasta | I have a line like %adm ALL=NOPASSWD: /opt/command * , but why am I being asked for a password when I do sudo /opt/command? |
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| 11:01.12 | Iridos | gah... pidgin relies on what network-manager thinks the status of the network is... so since I reconfigured to use interfaces, it refuses to connect |
| 11:01.29 | Iridos | good that there's a bug report that says one has to start with -f |
| 11:01.58 | fasta | Iridos: evolution too has that problem, but with no way to work around it. |
| 11:02.29 | Iridos | fasta, seems like a(nother) good reason to scrap gnome and end the experiment if iridos can live with gnome |
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| 11:03.09 | fasta | Iridos: what do you think it is? Malice or incompetence? |
| 11:03.31 | Iridos | no idea |
| 11:03.57 | Iridos | fasta, but I think if you go away from metacity/gnome completely, the programs will detect that and run normally |
| 11:04.07 | Iridos | dunno, though |
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| 11:04.46 | somiaj | fasta: why do you have that extra * at the end of /opt/command? |
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| 11:06.20 | fasta | somiaj: the command takes two arguments. |
| 11:06.57 | somiaj | fasta: I don't think you need it, because once you can run the command you can send it any arguments. Also is your user in the adm group. |
| 11:07.13 | fasta | somiaj: yes |
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| 11:07.24 | Iridos | fasta, ah... from the bug One other note about this bug - if you have network-manager installed |
| 11:07.24 | Iridos | but not configured with any interfaces, you should purge it from your |
| 11:07.24 | Iridos | system entirely, since it will cause problems with pidgin unless you use -f. |
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| 11:07.34 | Iridos | fasta, so... incompetence :) |
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| 11:08.37 | somiaj | now if only we could remove dbus requirement from pidgin |
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| 11:09.15 | fasta | somiaj: Debian doesn't need to distribute pidgin anymore, imho. |
| 11:09.15 | Iridos | like saying "do NOT talk to strangers, even if, no, speciall if they offer you candy"? |
| 11:09.36 | fasta | somiaj: because platform independent package managers already distribute it. |
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| 11:11.20 | fasta | somiaj: there is a difference between sudo foo and sudo /foo/foo apparently even if they resolve to the same file. |
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| 11:15.56 | Iridos | it's still stupid... why can't I keep my network-manager config in case I decide to use it again |
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| 11:16.56 | Coweater | if you don't purge the package the config should remain |
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| 11:17.23 | Coweater | or you could just back it up... |
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| 11:17.29 | Iridos | I know |
| 11:17.32 | Iridos | and just tried... |
| 11:17.40 | Iridos | purging isn't necessary |
| 11:17.46 | Iridos | just removing network-manager is enough |
| 11:18.20 | Iridos | the guy in the bug report said "should purge it[...]" and I first believed him |
| 11:18.24 | Iridos | then thought of checking up |
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| 11:21.54 | Iridos | jelly-home, you said you run amd64 kernel with i386 userspace, iirc |
| 11:22.10 | Iridos | what graphics driver do you use with that? |
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| 11:24.13 | Iridos | or phrased the other way around, should I bother trying that if I want the fglrx module |
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| 11:26.45 | cantido | wonders if the DRM parts of the kernel can handle being used with 32bit drivers.. |
| 11:27.33 | cantido | Iridos: I don't see the point in running i386 on amd64 anymore really though, unless you have some special CAD or something app that won't work any other way |
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| 11:30.11 | jelly-home | Iridos: nvidia binary |
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| 11:32.16 | Iridos | jelly-home, and didn't you have to compile the kernel module? and how the heck could you? |
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| 11:33.12 | Iridos | cantido, I used to have lots of software that fell into that category, so I installed this machine i386 and even if it might not be necessary anymore, I don't see much of a point in reinstalling |
| 11:33.30 | jelly-home | Iridos: that's what we have dkms for |
| 11:33.56 | cantido | Iridos: I have EDA apps that only have 32bit versions.. but I haven't found anything that won't run on top of an amd64 userland yet.. |
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| 11:34.30 | jelly-home | cantido: heh, my special app is from adobe and is a browser plugin |
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| 11:34.42 | cantido | jelly-home: flash works fine here |
| 11:34.48 | cantido | and has done for at least a year |
| 11:35.28 | jelly-home | I'm making a point of not trying amd64 more than once a year |
| 11:35.49 | Iridos | I do hit some 4G limits occasionally... perhaps a 64bit kernel wouldn't hurt |
| 11:35.59 | Iridos | 4G RAM and 4G max filesize, it seems |
| 11:36.11 | cantido | Iridos: 32bit apps can never use more than 4gb total address space |
| 11:36.42 | jelly-home | and 1GB is kernel's anyway |
| 11:36.47 | Iridos | hm, so could only help with the filesize limit |
| 11:36.57 | cantido | jelly-home: you can configure that :) |
| 11:37.08 | jelly-home | cantido: yes, to a minimum of 1GB |
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| 11:38.04 | cantido | is not sure why anyone would ever have 2gb/2gb split |
| 11:38.09 | jelly-home | Iridos: there is no filesize limit of 4GB that's bound to architectural limits, it's either your app or your fs |
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| 11:41.18 | Iridos | jelly-home, hmm... xfs? |
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| 11:41.41 | cantido | Iridos: everything in xfs is 64bit IIRC |
| 11:42.02 | cantido | a 32bit machine can still work with 64bit datatypes.. |
| 11:42.09 | fasta | I get /usr/lib/wine/wineserver: Symbol `wine_casemap_upper' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking after an apt-get install wine. |
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| 11:44.17 | Iridos | hmm... now that you mention it... not sure I've seen it on my machine. Just sure I've seen it on the pogoplug which has a vfat usb stick plugged in |
| 11:44.44 | cantido | Iridos: because it's FAT*32* :) |
| 11:45.10 | Iridos | yeah... I know |
| 11:45.32 | alex- | Which ports do I need to open in my firewall to get apt-proxy to work? |
| 11:45.44 | Iridos | guess I wasn't thinking about it a lot and just assumed my system had the same limit |
| 11:45.56 | Iridos | cantido, right, says 8EB |
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| 11:46.21 | cantido | Lots of stuff that was created in the olden days assumed that 4GB was enough for ever and ever.. |
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| 11:46.38 | Iridos | ha, in the olden days |
| 11:46.52 | Iridos | when dragons still haunted the castles' keep |
| 11:47.14 | Iridos | alright... just created a 23G file |
| 11:47.35 | cantido | at least we have common 64bit machines now and we didn't settle with bank switching++ |
| 11:48.03 | Iridos | oh... and actually already had a virtualbox image of 13G there *smacks head* |
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| 11:49.23 | cantido | all 32bit userland code should run fine though, the only real issue I can see is with stuff like flash that you have a mismatch between the library and the app you want to use it with.. but flash has just worked for ages :) |
| 11:49.30 | cantido | even skype just works now |
| 11:49.46 | Iridos | yeah, but do I want to reinstall? |
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| 11:50.11 | cantido | Iridos: if it's not worth it, just make a mental note for next time |
| 11:50.23 | Iridos | anyway, it was more stuff like macromodel, which I could share into one of two licenses for a computer at university |
| 11:50.46 | Iridos | or CNS, which now has a 64bit version, so has VMD |
| 11:51.20 | Iridos | there was just a load of non-free (or semi-free) stuff that wasn't ready |
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| 11:52.01 | cantido | IMHO binary stuff should ship with the libs it needs.. and that would work in most situations |
| 11:52.22 | Iridos | I think it did... |
| 11:52.34 | Iridos | but would you want to install a 64bit system to find out it doesn't? |
| 11:52.42 | cantido | hates binary stuff that is compiled against some crappy old version of redhat |
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| 11:53.31 | Iridos | cantido, cns, also not FOSS, you would compile yourself... but I wasn't sure how well that would work on 64bit linux |
| 11:53.43 | Iridos | also... if you stick with 32bit, you could just copy everything over :P |
| 11:53.47 | cantido | Iridos: you can have a 32bit chroot too |
| 11:54.03 | Iridos | yeah... but what for make life hard? |
| 11:54.15 | cantido | the only issue is when you want a 32bit library with a 64bit app.. i.e. 32bit flash, 64bit browser |
| 11:54.53 | cantido | Iridos: I run some apps that have linux versions in a windows vm still because the linux versions are shitty heh |
| 11:54.57 | taxman | flash is not an important issue anymore. we have html5 now |
| 11:55.14 | taxman | for both video and game |
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| 11:55.35 | cantido | if you don't want to use any sites for the next 5 or so years, yeah |
| 11:56.07 | Iridos | are there any html5 ads yet? |
| 11:56.20 | taxman | java, flash and silverlight should be killed |
| 11:56.27 | taxman | html5 is the future |
| 11:56.38 | Iridos | oracle seems to try pretty hard with the 1st of those |
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| 11:57.19 | Iridos | preventing distributions from distributing it seems to be a good step in that direction |
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| 11:57.50 | Iridos | why would you make it easy for people to use your stuff, if you could just as well make their life a living hell? |
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| 11:59.10 | cantido | taxman: html5 existing doesn't mean that all the stuff using flash etc goes away though ;) |
| 11:59.45 | Iridos | it could! |
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| 12:00.55 | cantido | Iridos: debian might have nice shiny new browsers,.. but lots of people don't. You'd be insane to just throw everything away and go html5 only |
| 12:00.58 | Iridos | cantido, remember "dos is dead"? :) |
| 12:01.26 | Iridos | cantido, haha... you're the first one to call stuff in stable "shiny" and even more "new" |
| 12:01.59 | cantido | stuff in stable is from a million years in the future compared to ie6 |
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| 12:05.38 | taxman | cantido, video.js provide html5 as a flash fallback |
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| 12:10.14 | cantido | taxman: doesn't matter, that existing doesn't mean that every site that uses flash video automagically uses it.. html5 existing doesn't mean that all those system control webapps that use java applets magically go away |
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| 12:12.44 | taxman | java applets are epic dying on the internet |
| 12:12.59 | taxman | i wish flash is the next |
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| 12:14.31 | cantido | taxman: java applets are still used for stuff like KVM over IP in server controllers etc |
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| 12:18.43 | Arafangion` | Java applets are still very alive. (Unfortunately) |
| 12:19.00 | stew | java applets are much better than flash |
| 12:19.06 | gnarface | eh |
| 12:19.09 | Iridos | taxman, German online tax forms still use java... |
| 12:19.12 | gnarface | i'd call it a toss up really |
| 12:19.16 | Iridos | or you can use their splendid windows-only software |
| 12:19.37 | stew | i get a fully functional free virtual machine. i get complete control over the permissions |
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| 12:20.45 | superlinux-hp | hi all |
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| 12:21.03 | cantido | only dislikes java applets that refuse to work on anything but java 5 |
| 12:21.16 | cantido | or 1.5 or whatever it is/was called |
| 12:21.45 | superlinux-hp | I want to able to change my CPU frequency without putting root password at all. how can I configure gnome as such? |
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| 12:22.46 | cantido | superlinux-hp: gnome should have some UI for it.. like in a battery monitoring widget like kde has |
| 12:22.51 | swi | Hello. I'm trying to mount nfs4 on client, it's mounted but i dont see any files. |
| 12:24.16 | alex- | Will fail2ban work if I don't have iptables? |
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| 12:25.41 | Iridos | alex-, it can if you configure it that way |
| 12:25.52 | alex- | hmm |
| 12:25.56 | alex- | or shall I jus disable it then? |
| 12:25.57 | alex- | just * |
| 12:26.13 | Iridos | are you asking us to do your thinking for you? |
| 12:26.34 | alex- | npo |
| 12:26.36 | alex- | no |
| 12:26.38 | alex- | i'm asking for a suggestion |
| 12:26.40 | alex- | :) |
| 12:26.47 | nsadmin | usually people only ask us to read to them |
| 12:27.13 | Iridos | or to guess what they are really asking from a "it doesn't work, what shall I do now" |
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| 12:27.32 | Arafangion` | What's blue-ray like in debian these days? |
| 12:27.38 | Iridos | (of course without specifying "it" any closer) |
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| 12:28.05 | Iridos | (or "doesn't work", for that matter) |
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| 12:28.28 | Iridos | dunno |
| 12:28.31 | Iridos | perhaps dpkg knows |
| 12:28.41 | Iridos | dpkg, blueray |
| 12:28.41 | dpkg | Blu-ray Disc (BD) is an optical disc storage medium with 25GB capacity per layer. The Debian CD team produce BD images of <Squeeze> and weekly <testing> builds for i386, amd64 and source architectures, available via _jigdo only_. Ask me about <jigdo>, <install debian> and <weekly builds> ; .jigdo files are within "jigdo-bd" directories of {i386,amd64,source}. http://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD |
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| 12:29.11 | Iridos | seems it's like... you can install from it |
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| 12:31.09 | swi | what package i need to have on client to moutn nfs ? |
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| 12:31.50 | Arafangion` | Hmm, seems that it's possible to watch BD's as well, but with more difficulty than DVD's. I'll forget it. |
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| 12:33.55 | Zharf | no one really uses optical media anymore anyway ;) |
| 12:34.15 | Iridos | monitors? |
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| 12:36.27 | Iridos | newspapers! |
| 12:36.42 | Iridos | TV! |
| 12:37.00 | oi-polloi | dvd's n cd's |
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| 12:37.34 | alex- | which port do i need to open to make apt-get wto work? |
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| 12:38.29 | Iridos | wto? |
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| 12:40.19 | cantido | oi-polloi: all the dvd rental places that are still around are a mirage? |
| 12:40.36 | cantido | Zharf: ^ that was for you |
| 12:41.07 | Iridos | good ole highlighting random guys custom :) |
| 12:41.16 | Iridos | don't you agree, _jesse_? |
| 12:41.41 | oi-polloi | catntido: guess so |
| 12:41.54 | Iridos | oh, wasn't so random :) |
| 12:42.06 | cantido | alex-: you don't need ports open to get apt-get to work, unless you have outward blocking |
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| 12:42.54 | cantido | Iridos: ugh, not random, I just made a mistake about who made the original point |
| 12:43.08 | alex- | cantido: outward blocking? |
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| 12:43.12 | alex- | which port does apt or apt-proxy uses? |
| 12:43.13 | Iridos | I already realized |
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| 12:43.57 | cantido | alex-: apt-get uses http or ftp.. you don't need ports open to the outside because all the connections originate from your machine |
| 12:44.24 | cantido | alex-: apt-proxy probably has a port setting in it's config that is documented in it's docs |
| 12:44.32 | alex- | hmm i will disable proxy |
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| 12:46.07 | cantido | alex-: you don't need apt-proxy unless you have more than one machine.. |
| 12:47.11 | Iridos | perhaps you should just ask the <real question> |
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| 12:47.57 | alex- | 0% [Connecting to ftp.nl.debian.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 12:48.09 | alex- | cantido: I do need to open ports... |
| 12:48.13 | alex- | It aint working |
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| 12:49.02 | cantido | alex-: check your sources.list and change ftp:// to http:// |
| 12:49.04 | Iridos | how come you have outgoing ports blocked anyway? |
| 12:49.16 | Iridos | ha, that was going to be my next point :) |
| 12:49.18 | cantido | maybe you have out going ftp blocked |
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| 12:49.26 | Iridos | yeah, but what for |
| 12:49.31 | alex- | Outgoing packets are set to allowed |
| 12:49.37 | alex- | everything from the server to the net is allowed |
| 12:49.39 | cantido | Iridos: resnets have that sort of stuff |
| 12:49.58 | Iridos | whatnets? |
| 12:50.00 | alex- | cantido: it is http://. not ftp:// |
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| 12:50.15 | cantido | Iridos: university resident networks |
| 12:50.27 | alex- | sources.list: http://pastebin.com/shCKhwe6 |
| 12:50.28 | Iridos | really? never encountered that on any uni net |
| 12:50.41 | cantido | alex-: can you connect to other http sites like google.com? |
| 12:50.45 | Iridos | alex-, and you can't use a browser either? |
| 12:50.55 | alex- | browser on a server? |
| 12:51.07 | Iridos | what server |
| 12:51.10 | cantido | alex-: lynx, w3m.. |
| 12:51.18 | cantido | Iridos: I think he means headless |
| 12:51.29 | Iridos | and why would a server be in a network where outgoing connections are blocked |
| 12:51.39 | alex- | outgoing connections aren't blocked |
| 12:51.48 | Iridos | and how can it be a server when there aren't incoming connections :) |
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| 12:52.08 | Iridos | froxlor /o\ |
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| 12:52.34 | Iridos | cantido, I dunno what foxlor does... except that it seems unerringly good at breaking Debian for people who then come here |
| 12:52.36 | cantido | alex-: http is port 80 btw |
| 12:52.43 | alex- | I applied a firewall to incoming connections |
| 12:52.48 | alex- | cantido: I know that http is port 80. |
| 12:52.53 | alex- | cantido: i have apache running on port 80 |
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| 12:53.06 | alex- | Iridos: if you ook good you can see that the deb is commented out |
| 12:53.08 | ntsasng | Hi! |
| 12:53.18 | ntsasng | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&arch=amd64&keywords=pidgin |
| 12:53.19 | Iridos | well, this doesn't do anything but an outgoing connect to the debian servers on port 80 |
| 12:53.28 | ntsasng | How to upgrade pidgin 2.10? |
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| 12:53.43 | Iridos | alex-, I do see... the comment was just done in a moment of shock :) |
| 12:53.51 | alex- | nope |
| 12:53.53 | alex- | I don't use it anymore |
| 12:53.57 | alex- | had it installed but it sucks |
| 12:53.58 | Iridos | judd, versions pidgin |
| 12:54.00 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2; sid: 2.10.2-1; wheezy: 2.10.2-1; experimental: 2.10.2-1.1 |
| 12:54.02 | cantido | alex-: the issue you're having is outgoing, not incoming |
| 12:54.05 | alex- | I can't see what i'm doing with it |
| 12:54.14 | alex- | what port incoming does needs to be opened? |
| 12:54.21 | cantido | alex-: you don |
| 12:54.23 | Iridos | alex-, we told you: none |
| 12:54.27 | cantido | 't need any |
| 12:54.41 | Iridos | this is a normal http connection, just like any browser would make |
| 12:54.45 | alex- | then why isn't it working? |
| 12:54.53 | cantido | because your config is stuffed |
| 12:54.59 | ntsasng | judd: i has build pidgin 2.9 from source code and then i reinstall Debian Squeeze, i can't do it |
| 12:55.00 | ntsasng | :( |
| 12:55.00 | judd | No package named 'has' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:55.23 | alex- | lol @ judd |
| 12:55.27 | alex- | cantido: stuffed? |
| 12:55.33 | cantido | broken |
| 12:55.49 | cantido | alex-: do you have a firewall script or iptables rules? |
| 12:55.53 | alex- | what config? |
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| 12:56.06 | alex- | cantido: iptables |
| 12:56.13 | Iridos | ntsasng, wheezy has 2.10, but there is no backport for squeeze, so you have to backport it yourself |
| 12:56.18 | Zharf | cantido, people who use them don't count as people who have any clue! |
| 12:56.19 | Iridos | dpkg, tell ntsasng about ssb |
| 12:56.21 | alex- | tcp/80 is opened |
| 12:56.31 | Iridos | ntsasng, see private message from dpkg which tells you how |
| 12:56.55 | cantido | alex-: that's incoming .. i.e. other machines can connect to your port 80, you might not be letting connections to port 80 on other machines |
| 12:56.56 | Iridos | alex-, try telnet google.com 80 |
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| 12:57.07 | ntsasng | Iridos: thankz |
| 12:57.15 | alex- | Iridos: timed out |
| 12:57.36 | alex- | outgoing traffic is allowed |
| 12:57.46 | alex- | incoming only some ports (http, ssh, mysql n stuff) |
| 12:57.57 | cantido | lives somewhere where minidisc is still popular.. |
| 12:58.20 | cantido | alex-: are you logging the stuff iptables is doing somewhere? |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | alex-: its obviously not allowed when your connection to google times out |
| 12:58.40 | alex- | valdyn: which ports does telnet uses? |
| 12:58.54 | valdyn | alex-: you specified the port 80 |
| 12:59.00 | cantido | alex-: 80 if you tell it to.. |
| 12:59.05 | Iridos | alex-, so... is that enough proof, that it's nuffin to do with apt-get or anything... you can't do outgoing connections |
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| 12:59.18 | alex- | but outgoing connections are on accept |
| 12:59.26 | Iridos | you keep claiming that in face of the evidence |
| 12:59.34 | cantido | loves firehol even more now |
| 12:59.55 | valdyn | alex-: why dont you try reasoning instead of "but this has to ..." |
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| 13:00.37 | Iridos | also, I start wondering why you need a firewall at all... do you have services running that should only be available in the local net? |
| 13:00.38 | fasta | If I execute sg somenewlycreatedgroup 'rm -rf /usr' as root, what will happen? |
| 13:01.51 | valdyn | fasta: nothing |
| 13:02.00 | fasta | valdyn: because? |
| 13:02.04 | Iridos | if you what? |
| 13:02.13 | valdyn | fasta: err |
| 13:02.18 | valdyn | fasta: i missed the "as root" |
| 13:02.29 | Iridos | sg? |
| 13:02.32 | valdyn | fasta: your /usr will be deleted completely |
| 13:02.39 | valdyn | Iridos: switch group |
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| 13:02.47 | Iridos | yeah... just checked |
| 13:02.50 | Iridos | never seen it before |
| 13:02.54 | valdyn | fasta: that sg is quite redundant |
| 13:03.04 | fasta | valdyn: why? |
| 13:03.13 | Iridos | because you're root already |
| 13:03.18 | Iridos | who cares what group root is in |
| 13:03.32 | valdyn | fasta: because root has all permissions, you cannot add anything to that |
| 13:03.47 | fasta | valdyn: I am actually running it as sudo, but I think that's redundant too. |
| 13:03.57 | Iridos | valdyn, objection, your honor, you can... a magic cookie ;) |
| 13:04.01 | valdyn | fasta: sudo is a program, not a user to run as |
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| 13:04.13 | fasta | valdyn: well, sudo is root. |
| 13:04.43 | Iridos | fasta, man sudo, look at synopsis, -u username |
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| 13:05.46 | alex- | Iridos: for security |
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| 13:06.38 | Iridos | alex-, run only the daemons you need and configure the ones you only want accessible from localhost to only bind to "lo" and there is no need for a firewall |
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| 13:12.44 | fasta | How can I make sudo -u bar -g foo command work if sudo -u bar command already works? |
| 13:13.08 | Iridos | what? |
| 13:13.29 | Iridos | fasta, EUNPARSABLE |
| 13:13.39 | fasta | Iridos: I am sure that valdyn can parse it. |
| 13:13.51 | Iridos | wanna bet? |
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| 13:14.39 | fasta | Iridos: but I can refrase it in more human language: how can I specify the group which is allowed to run a particular command in combination with a particular user? |
| 13:14.43 | c3 | Does someone know this error? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a89ee332/ |
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| 13:19.36 | Iridos | haha Sorry, user k is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/id' as k:fuse on apc. |
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| 13:20.49 | Iridos | c3, are you running this as root and it's already running as your normal user? |
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| 13:22.49 | ougogo | HI. I've a folder x with a link to an other folder y. Fold x is root folder of my web server. I want to acces to folder y. But when I put "http://myip/y", I've a 403 - Forbidden. Hox can I resolve this? I use lighttpd. Thanks ! |
| 13:22.54 | Iridos | fasta, and the question is still not clear... if the user is already allowed to run something, the group usually doesn't matter anymore |
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| 13:23.26 | fasta | Iridos: the group does matter. |
| 13:23.35 | c3 | I dont know Iridos |
| 13:23.38 | Iridos | not for access |
| 13:23.53 | Iridos | or... not for access if you already have it |
| 13:23.55 | c3 | Its a servers with alot of people on it... |
| 13:24.03 | c3 | server* |
| 13:24.05 | fasta | Iridos: that's what you think. |
| 13:24.18 | fasta | Iridos: just answer the question and you will solve my problem, please. |
| 13:24.35 | fasta | Iridos: the problem is running something as user X and group Y. |
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| 13:24.50 | fasta | Iridos: and make it such that sudo allows that. |
| 13:24.53 | valdyn | fasta: fasta your question is not precise and ambigous at best |
| 13:25.05 | c3 | Iridos thats message comes up alot in kern.log |
| 13:25.06 | Iridos | fasta, just like that... only sudo doesn't seem to allow users to switch to groups... |
| 13:25.36 | valdyn | fasta: are you confusing +s with +x ? |
| 13:25.52 | fasta | valdyn: if +s is suid bit, then I don't see why. |
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| 13:26.11 | fasta | valdyn: is what I want even possible without sg? |
| 13:26.21 | valdyn | fasta: we dont know what you want |
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| 13:26.30 | valdyn | fasta: youre not saying it |
| 13:26.58 | fasta | valdyn: I want to run a command named C as user X and group Y in a way that sudo allows it. |
| 13:27.02 | c3 | damn now i get the same message but now with profile="/usr/lib/dovecot/imap" |
| 13:27.38 | valdyn | fasta: your program has to run as root and set its own uid and guid |
| 13:27.59 | valdyn | fasta: or a wrapper script using sg and su may do that |
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| 13:28.16 | fasta | valdyn: ok, then I just need to add an su call. |
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| 13:29.18 | valdyn | fasta: this whole thing sounds like one of those examples where you want to start by telling us the actual problem, before you ask about solving in a specific possibly broken way |
| 13:29.56 | fasta | valdyn: I want to disallow Internet access to a wine application which I did by writing an iptables rule that drops all traffic of this group. |
| 13:31.33 | fasta | valdyn: it seems I can either set the user or the group, but not both. |
| 13:31.50 | valdyn | fasta: what is the point of breaking network access for one program? |
| 13:32.09 | fasta | valdyn: it's a closed source application, so I consider it to be a black box. |
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| 13:32.57 | fasta | valdyn: so? |
| 13:33.12 | valdyn | fasta: youre trying to jail it by reimplementing a jail |
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| 13:34.09 | valdyn | fasta: im sure theres alot of methods to achieve what you want |
| 13:34.31 | valdyn | fasta: the easiest one might be to add a few 127.0.0.1 entries to /etc/hosts for whatever that app tries to access |
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| 13:35.06 | fasta | valdyn: it is a black box => I do not know what it wants to access. |
| 13:35.22 | fasta | valdyn: there are a lot of methods, yet you cannot name one. |
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| 13:35.36 | Iridos | fasta, you can do it with sudo just like you did, but you have to allow the user to use -g in /etc/sudoers |
| 13:35.53 | abrotman | can't you remove the network access in wine itself? |
| 13:36.12 | valdyn | im sure he could |
| 13:36.44 | fasta | abrotman: that's a bit drastic (just return false when trying to connect). |
| 13:36.51 | Iridos | maybe, but I think wine doesn't make that easy for you |
| 13:37.09 | fasta | But I don't like to maintain stacks of patches. |
| 13:37.15 | Iridos | I'd also like such an option... wine --no-network |
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| 13:37.33 | Arafangion` | I wonder what selinux would be like there? |
| 13:37.39 | abrotman | overkill ? |
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| 13:38.43 | Iridos | fasta, what does the line for your user look like in /etc/sudoers? |
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| 13:39.24 | Iridos | huh, and sudo refuses to run if root has write access to /etc/sudoers... how stupid is that |
| 13:39.47 | Arafangion` | Iridos: It's a good idea, you shouldn't directly edit that file. |
| 13:39.55 | Iridos | wei not |
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| 13:40.05 | fasta | Iridos: and how do I allow that? |
| 13:40.32 | Iridos | I was going to tell you changing the line you currently have |
| 13:40.41 | Arafangion` | Iridos: You should use visudo instead. |
| 13:41.21 | Iridos | mh, I don't see why |
| 13:41.39 | Iridos | it's not a file users are usually allowed to change like passwd/shadow |
| 13:41.41 | Iridos | but ok |
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| 13:42.08 | Iridos | not that those are "busy" on a desktop system either :) |
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| 13:43.35 | fasta | Iridos: fasta ALL=NOPASSWD:SETENV: wine <lots of arguments> |
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| 13:44.16 | fasta | Iridos: I also have similar lines for things calling sg. |
| 13:44.32 | fasta | Iridos: but ... the problem is that I want to set both user and group. |
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| 13:45.10 | Ray69 | Hi |
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| 13:46.39 | Iridos | fasta, hmm |
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| 13:48.08 | Iridos | fasta, this allows root to become ALL groups with sudo: root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 13:48.27 | Iridos | fasta, the bit allowing it is the :ALL inside the (ALL:ALL) |
| 13:48.56 | fasta | Iridos: no, it is not. |
| 13:49.03 | Iridos | yes it is |
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| 13:49.32 | fasta | Iridos: or perhaps it is. |
| 13:49.36 | Iridos | would you please take care to do sentences like "I disagree, because" instead of saying stuff like "no, it is not"? |
| 13:49.49 | fasta | Iridos: yeah, sorry. |
| 13:49.59 | Iridos | it's increasing my frustration-factor with you dramatically if you do, up to the point where I will just walk away |
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| 13:52.28 | Iridos | which is a pity, because the question is actually interesting |
| 13:52.46 | Iridos | specially, as I found malware/spyware in one of my .wine directories on the laptop recently |
| 13:53.25 | Iridos | so I kinda wonder if I shouldn't do what you're doing right now |
| 13:53.34 | fasta | Iridos: it just keeps saying that user fasta is not allowed to execute <large command> as fasta:nointernet on machine name. |
| 13:53.43 | Iridos | right |
| 13:53.50 | Iridos | it says that for all groups |
| 13:53.58 | Iridos | because you haven't allowed it to join any groups |
| 13:54.08 | fasta | Iridos: IMO, security is incredibly unnecessarily complicated. |
| 13:54.09 | Iridos | so it did for me, before I added the :ALL |
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| 13:54.21 | Iridos | well... dunno about that |
| 13:54.22 | fasta | Iridos: allowed it to join any groups? |
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| 13:54.33 | fasta | Iridos: how? |
| 13:54.36 | Iridos | but the sudoers manpage seems close to unreadable to me |
| 13:54.39 | Iridos | I just told you |
| 13:54.48 | Iridos | I changed |
| 13:54.53 | Iridos | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:54.56 | Iridos | to |
| 13:55.03 | Iridos | root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 13:55.20 | fasta | Iridos: ok, I thought you meant that as an example. |
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| 13:56.05 | fasta | Iridos: after adding that, no change. |
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| 13:56.33 | fasta | Iridos: there was a change. |
| 13:56.36 | fasta | Iridos: it seems to work. |
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| 13:57.29 | Iridos | also using a separate user is maybe not so bad... |
| 13:57.38 | fasta | Iridos: yeah, I will do that later. |
| 13:57.39 | Iridos | although access to X will be cumbersome |
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| 13:57.55 | Iridos | hm, but a different group would also do |
| 13:57.56 | fasta | Iridos: I have also considered a VM. |
| 13:58.09 | iz | just xhost + :b |
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| 13:58.14 | Iridos | I hate the way that wine applications now just are called "ie6.exe" or whatever |
| 13:58.21 | abrotman | iz: uh, no |
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| 13:58.27 | Iridos | and you can't just do ps aux |grep -i wine to catch all wine processes |
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| 13:58.43 | fasta | Iridos: that's fairly easily disabled, I think. |
| 13:58.44 | iz | x.org only uses localhost now, right? |
| 13:58.50 | Iridos | oh, is it? |
| 13:58.51 | Iridos | how? |
| 13:58.57 | fasta | Iridos: there are binfmts. |
| 13:59.22 | fasta | Iridos: you can also make .iridos files execute by the Iridos program if you want. |
| 13:59.39 | fasta | Iridos: so, there is something in the wine package which adds those rules. |
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| 13:59.51 | fasta | Iridos: so, all you need to do is write something which undoes that. |
| 13:59.54 | andresvia | Hi. |
| 14:00.12 | Iridos | but doesn't that break stuff? wine seems to call additional .EXE programs |
| 14:00.13 | fasta | Or is it undos? |
| 14:00.26 | fasta | Iridos: highly unlikely. |
| 14:00.28 | Iridos | possibly :) |
| 14:00.36 | iz | wine is unDOS |
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| 14:01.08 | iz | but it is undoes, gramatically, i believe |
| 14:01.24 | xixor | yo, I can't remember how kernel naming goes. The kernel 3.x branch is a devel branch? |
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| 14:03.45 | Iridos | /usr/sbin/update-binfmts --disable wine |
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| 14:03.58 | Iridos | hm... will see ... that wasn't too hard |
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| 14:07.06 | valdyn | xixor: no |
| 14:07.15 | valdyn | xixor: theres no branches |
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| 14:09.43 | xixor | valdyn: ah, ok |
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| 14:10.11 | xixor | valdyn: upgrading the kernel to 3.2.2 is as simple as aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 ? |
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| 14:13.33 | Iridos | if you have backports enabled or are on wheezy, in principle, yes |
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| 14:13.44 | Iridos | doesnt hurt to cross finger when rebooting, though |
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| 14:17.01 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 14:17.27 | AthomIk | search for speech Recognition on linux debian ? |
| 14:17.28 | xixor | hm..... I am still fighting with the installer |
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| 14:21.06 | pfalcone | AthomIk, you might want to check the CMU Sphinx systems |
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| 14:25.25 | bunny69 | hello folks |
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| 14:27.55 | bunny68 | lost conn... did anyone reply to my incron q? |
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| 14:29.05 | AthomIk | pfalcone: sphinx package existe ? i use sid |
| 14:29.12 | AthomIk | or must compile |
| 14:30.20 | abrotman | AthomIk: apt-cache search sphinx |
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| 14:32.20 | Iridos | bunny68, <bunny69> hello folks |
| 14:32.25 | Iridos | zazzit |
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| 14:35.05 | bobweaver | Hello there I have a question about packging and was wondering if there is a channel for that or if I should ask here. I know I know !ask right |
| 14:35.31 | abrotman | bobweaver: for Debian ? |
| 14:35.36 | DaveNull | AthomIk, yes... Sphinx package exists |
| 14:35.40 | fasta | What does ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument mean and why can't it just use English for error messages? |
| 14:35.44 | DaveNull | i use it on Testing |
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| 14:36.09 | bobweaver | both debian and ubuntu I like the idea for all \ |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | have you read the new maintainer guide? |
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| 14:36.36 | bobweaver | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-debian-rules ??? |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | not quite what i meant, and what's up with all the question marks? |
| 14:37.08 | Iridos | bunny68, if you said anything else, it was after your connection was gorn |
| 14:37.17 | bobweaver | was wondering if that is the link ? that is what I have read |
| 14:37.19 | AthomIk | DaveNull: ok i search, but not in standard debian repo |
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| 14:37.36 | abrotman | bobweaver: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 14:37.49 | fasta | Hmm, found the problem already. |
| 14:37.52 | abrotman | bobweaver: no idea how ubuntu does things, you'd have to ask them |
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| 14:38.16 | abrotman | bobweaver: in general, if your package is in Debian, it should be in Ubuntu, so packaging for Debian should be good enough |
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| 14:40.15 | bobweaver | thanks abrotman this is a big step for me. I want to release great code I just got some hints from the ubuntu devs. But this is 100% going to be for debian and ubuntu but no rpm that is later in the years. I can not thank you enough here is what I am doing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/trunk/files Once again Thanks |
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| 14:41.13 | abrotman | josephbobweaver? :) |
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| 14:42.52 | pfalcone | I have a thinkpad W520 that has its hard disk protected by bitlocker drive encryption (and as such, the TPM chip is enabled). |
| 14:43.23 | pfalcone | do I need to take ownership first of the TPM before I wipe out the hard disk to install debian solely on the hard drive? |
| 14:43.32 | DaveNull | Athomik : it's in testing and unstable repos |
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| 14:44.06 | AthomIk | is not sphinx, not cmusphinx.... |
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| 14:44.08 | alket | Is it possible to create deb package for ubuntu with binary files, basicly to put all the content on /opt/ ? |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | alket: ask #ubuntu, this is #debian, we support Debian here |
| 14:44.50 | alket | I thought it is the same |
| 14:44.51 | DaveNull | apt-cache policy sphinx-common |
| 14:45.01 | abrotman | alket: then it would be called Debian, right? |
| 14:45.03 | DaveNull | Installed: 1.1.3+dfsg-3 |
| 14:45.28 | alket | abrotman, I assumed since its binnary files changing location it would be the same |
| 14:45.37 | DaveNull | Rebelz: |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | alket: Then i'm sure #ubuntu could answer your question .. have a nice day |
| 14:46.13 | alket | abrotman, ok never mind, how can I do it in debian then ? |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | alket: not funny, go to #ubuntu |
| 14:46.28 | AthomIk | DaveNull: is another sphinx Description-en: documentation generator for Python projects |
| 14:46.33 | nsadmin | alket, that's the problem, it's not the same... so we'd have to learn 2 dists |
| 14:46.34 | bobweaver | abrotman, bobweaver is a name of a drummer that I like |
| 14:46.44 | abrotman | bobweaver: i was kidding .. good luck |
| 14:46.51 | alket | abrotman, be cool man |
| 14:46.56 | alket | Ill ask in ubuntu |
| 14:47.01 | abrotman | Thanks! |
| 14:47.22 | DaveNull | AthomIk, ah, ok... i thought you speak of the Sphinx documentation processing :) |
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| 14:49.33 | AthomIk | DaveNull: well i tought you speak too much... :) |
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| 14:50.26 | bunny68 | i'm having this strange issue with incron... it gets triggered exactly 10 times within same second on simple file_close_write... wtf is this happening? |
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| 14:52.14 | Iridos | incron actually sounds cool |
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| 14:57.25 | djrazr | Hay, does somebody know a good Application for Debian, if possible Gnome to see all connected clients, with ip connections and packages? |
| 14:57.34 | djrazr | Beside netstat :D |
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| 15:02.00 | abrotman | impatient |
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| 15:02.56 | injureddeer | how can i secure lock screen on debian wheezy xfce? |
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| 15:03.17 | Iridos | xlock? |
| 15:03.21 | injureddeer | xflock4 is shit, this really only block screen, because keyboard don't |
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| 15:04.08 | Iridos | xscreensaver? |
| 15:04.13 | injureddeer | my keyboard shortcuts work over xflock lol |
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| 15:04.28 | Iridos | huh |
| 15:05.26 | injureddeer | Iridos: how can i run xscreensaver from command line |
| 15:05.29 | injureddeer | for lock? |
| 15:05.41 | Iridos | injureddeer, perhaps something broken in your setup (well, or with xflock)... start an xterm, ctrl-left-click, select "secure keyboard" - keystrokes should only go to that xterm until you unselect the option the same way again |
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| 15:05.49 | xmrk | I am running using debian live and I only have two avaialbe screen resolutions. I tried xorg & randr and nothing changes. Is it because that I am on live usb that these resolutions are not avaialable? |
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| 15:06.10 | ZitZ | hi there, i'm trying to make sure i setup an advanced format drive correctly, i used parted to setup a gpt partition, and fdisk tells me that sector size is 512 logical and 4096 physical and the io size is 4096/ 4096, my concern is the fact that it has 512 logical sectors, i have read that causes performance issues, can anyone clarify? |
| 15:06.54 | injureddeer | Iridos: how can i lock from command line with xscreensaver? |
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| 15:09.05 | Iridos | injureddeer, don't have it on this machine... but locks itself after a time. Rund xscreensaver-command (iirc) to send commands to it and/or configure it |
| 15:09.48 | injureddeer | xscreensaver-command -lock |
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| 15:09.55 | injureddeer | but xflock run xscreenserver |
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| 15:10.48 | tremon | ZitZ: "logical" sectors is the sector size of the (S)ATA interface, you can't change it. The only point of attention is that your partitions are created on physical-sector boundaries, which parted does by default (iirc) |
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| 15:11.50 | Iridos | injureddeer, do the test with the xterm... I think something might preventing programs from grabbing the kbd |
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| 15:12.26 | ZitZ | oops, i thought physical is what I couldn't change. And I read that WD firmware lies to the OS and says it has 512 byte sectors for XP compatibility. |
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| 15:18.38 | xmrk | does anyone know if live cd only offers 2 resolutions? |
| 15:18.41 | thunder1212 | hello |
| 15:19.28 | thunder1212 | i have some questions |
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| 15:19.57 | johnfg | hi folks! |
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| 15:20.17 | ZitZ | hi |
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| 15:21.14 | thunder1212 | xmrk, what 2 resolutions do you mean? |
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| 15:22.08 | thunder1212 | i have a laptop and it works properly only with linux 2.6.38 why is this so? |
| 15:22.31 | xmrk | on my xrandr I only have 1024x768 and 800x600 avaialble |
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| 15:23.00 | xmrk | and I want 1366x768 just as on my ubuntu (same machine) |
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| 15:23.55 | johnfg | Just sshed into one of my machines and noted 2nd day in a row a weird file. I removed this same named file yesterday. |
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| 15:24.20 | thunder1212 | xmrk, may be theres some graphics problem, r u using nvidia |
| 15:24.35 | thunder1212 | iRabbit, |
| 15:24.38 | thunder1212 | Iridos, |
| 15:24.49 | injureddeer | where can i disable shortcut that made my windows smaller when I press <super>L (aka Windows key + L)? |
| 15:25.03 | injureddeer | it dont minimalize, but made window smaller |
| 15:25.06 | johnfg | C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt is its name, but I dont have anything connected to a windoze machine. |
| 15:25.58 | xmrk | thunder1212: I am using AMD e-series |
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| 15:27.22 | thunder1212 | xmrk, ok thats no issue, does ur board have integrated nvidia graphics |
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| 15:28.28 | injureddeer | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/732130/Przechwycenie%20obrazu%20ekranu%20-%2014.04.2012%20-%2017%3A27%3A43.png - when I press WindowsKey+L on iceweasel |
| 15:28.36 | xmrk | I have no idea to be honest. I mean resolution works great in ubuntu, it's just debian (I am on live system though, do you think this has to do with anything?) |
| 15:28.59 | thunder1212 | xmrk, no it doesn't.. |
| 15:29.27 | thunder1212 | i ahve some doubt |
| 15:30.25 | thunder1212 | can i use debian permanantly on my laptop if, i want to... i mean i install once and forget.. and can someone plz help configuring it |
| 15:30.30 | AthomIk | ok, now i search for alsa-devel for julius in debian..... |
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| 15:30.41 | AthomIk | no find lib alsa ? wrong name ? |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | xmrk: lspci -nn .. look for a video card |
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| 15:31.54 | Iridos | thunder1212, |
| 15:32.22 | Iridos | how should I know. windows key is compose for me. |
| 15:32.27 | xmrk | abrotman: ATI is the only thing I see |
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| 15:32.33 | xmrk | no nvidea |
| 15:32.58 | tremon | xmrk: amd e-series? is that the llano-based gpu-in-cpu cores? |
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| 15:34.06 | thunder1212 | Iridos, i have a laptop dell vostro and it works with linux kernel 2.6.38-* but anything below that or above that doesn;t work properly |
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| 15:34.48 | xeon123 | I installed debian 6 in Xen, but the OS stucks in the GRUB. Why? |
| 15:34.55 | xmrk | tremon: http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/2731052/lenovo-laptop-amd-e-series-processor-15-6-display-4gb-memory-black-reviews/reviews.htm |
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| 15:35.38 | AthomIk | alsa-lib is now libasound2-dev , but i have this....... |
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| 15:37.17 | fasta | If I run something via sudo -u foo -g bar somecommand, how do I give it access to the sound devices? |
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| 15:37.24 | sneex | so my question is: If I copy the /var/lib/samba directory tree from a box that was on the domain to a box that *never* joined the domain -- would I be able to log into that domain? |
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| 15:38.01 | fasta | User foo already has access to the sound devices. |
| 15:38.12 | fasta | It seems it just ignores that piece of information. |
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| 15:38.30 | thunder1212 | Iridos, what could be the reason for this, if i use any linux verison say 2.6.32 i run low graphics mode.. and if i use linux 3.0 and above my cpu fan runs at 100% and the laptop gets overheated.. help me out plz |
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| 15:40.12 | thunder1212 | Iridos, u there? |
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| 15:42.26 | thunder1212 | i installed debian 6 on the laptop and it was running in low graphics mode.. bcoz the kernel was 2.6.32 and also the wlan wasn;t working.. i tried to update but still no use.. |
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| 15:45.07 | thunder1212 | dpkg, ping |
| 15:45.08 | dpkg | Yes, thunder1212 you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 15:46.52 | xixor | Hello, I am installing debian-testing-amd64 on a macbook pro 5,3 (summer 2009, 3.06ghz core2duo). At the beginning of the installer it says that I need some non-free firmware files to operate: b43/ucode16_mimo.fw. Where can I download this file? |
| 15:47.38 | fasta | xixor: likely from your Mac itself? |
| 15:48.22 | xixor | seems like they might be here: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 15:49.53 | thunder1212 | 1220 |
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| 15:50.45 | nsadmin | supposedly you can get a .tar.gz which you can extract to a usb drive, and then have that drive connected when you boot the installer |
| 15:51.06 | xixor | Yeah, I think I found it here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/testing/current/ |
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| 15:51.20 | fasta | Sounds works for user foo, but when I use sudo -u foo -g somegroup command, it doesn't. |
| 15:51.36 | thunder1212 | iri |
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| 15:53.10 | nsadmin | fasta, why do you want to use sudo for that? |
| 15:53.26 | fasta | nsadmin: I have discussed that over the past hours. |
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| 15:54.34 | Iridos | nsadmin, he apparently wants to block internet access to programs running under wine using iptables rules that check for the group... |
| 15:55.01 | fasta | Iridos: everything basically works, except for this tiny thing: sound. |
| 15:55.18 | Iridos | is the user in the audio group? |
| 15:55.28 | fasta | Iridos: which user? |
| 15:55.35 | Iridos | the one you're sudoing into |
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| 15:55.41 | fasta | Iridos: yes |
| 15:55.48 | Iridos | then shouldn't matter |
| 15:55.54 | fasta | Iridos: except it does. |
| 15:56.09 | Iridos | try sudo -u youruser -g yourgroup id |
| 15:56.11 | Iridos | and see |
| 15:56.38 | fasta | Iridos: I already tested that; it works. |
| 15:56.46 | fasta | Iridos: which means the problem is still there. |
| 15:56.55 | Iridos | does it list the group in "groups=[list]" |
| 15:57.18 | Iridos | the audio group* |
| 15:57.27 | nsadmin | maybe you're not in all the secondary groups due to sudo |
| 15:57.30 | fasta | Iridos: oh, sorry, I first need to change sudoers for that to work. |
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| 15:57.37 | fasta | nsadmin: that's what I thought. |
| 15:57.51 | nsadmin | sudo -u foo -g bar groups |
| 15:57.52 | fasta | nsadmin: but even with -P it doesn't work. |
| 15:58.14 | Iridos | works fine for me, but I have just (ALL:ALL) |
| 15:58.16 | Iridos | so it better |
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| 15:58.51 | xixor | so is everyone using 3.2.x kernels on their desktop linux machines now? |
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| 15:58.56 | fasta | Iridos: in the command specification or for root? |
| 15:59.08 | Iridos | dpkg, tell xixor about polls |
| 15:59.21 | Iridos | in the sudoers file |
| 15:59.30 | fasta | Iridos: same question |
| 15:59.47 | Iridos | I told you the exact line above... |
| 15:59.58 | fasta | Iridos: that was for root. |
| 16:00.00 | nsadmin | * everyone :No such nick/channel |
| 16:00.16 | fasta | Iridos: and I already told you that I already had that. |
| 16:00.33 | nsadmin | fasta, do this and tell us what it says: sudo -u foo -g bar groups |
| 16:00.44 | fasta | nsadmin: it says I have no access :) |
| 16:00.52 | fasta | nsadmin: yeah, I will add the entry. |
| 16:00.59 | Iridos | the output of id would also have been sufficient |
| 16:01.08 | fasta | Iridos: that says the same thing for the same reason. |
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| 16:02.03 | Iridos | so you lied <fasta> Iridos: I already tested that; it works. |
| 16:02.20 | fasta | Iridos: no, I meant on the real command. |
| 16:03.31 | fasta | That's odd. |
| 16:03.35 | Iridos | great... claws also thinks it has no network since I switched from network-manager |
| 16:03.44 | fasta | I still cannot set -g now. |
| 16:04.03 | xmrk | my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not doing anything |
| 16:04.23 | fasta | Ok, now I can. |
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| 16:05.56 | fasta | Iridos: it gives the expected output: including the audio group. |
| 16:06.05 | fasta | Iridos: so, it doesn't solve the problem. |
| 16:07.15 | Iridos | try aplay or the like next |
| 16:07.56 | Iridos | also time to check ls -Ll /dev/snd/* |
| 16:08.04 | Iridos | /dev/dsp |
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| 16:10.37 | anddam | hello |
| 16:11.06 | anddam | are virtualbox-guest-source and -dkms mutually exclusive? I'd say so from description but they don't conflict |
| 16:11.14 | anddam | do I need both of them? |
| 16:12.08 | Iridos | did you try installing just the dkms one? |
| 16:12.37 | anddam | still not (good ol' TIAS) I'm trying to figure what they do, they both seem to provide kernel module, the latter package with dkms |
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| 16:13.18 | Iridos | dkms tries to do everything automatically |
| 16:13.28 | Iridos | I guess the other one is for your own meddling |
| 16:13.33 | BLZbubba | is there a way to tell udisks to ignore a device? |
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| 16:14.53 | anddam | Iridos: trying |
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| 16:19.31 | anddam | VM hangs when quitting X, are packages xorg and xserver-xorg-core enough for a complete install or am I missing something?^ |
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| 16:20.56 | anddam | answer to self: yes, 3D acceleration is culprit |
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| 16:22.38 | xmrk | where is my xorg.conf? when I type 'locate' it says that command not found |
| 16:22.40 | dagerik | If i compile and install a new linux kernel, debian should load up just fine right? Same with other distros? |
| 16:22.53 | abrotman | xmrk: it's not used anymore |
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| 16:23.05 | abrotman | xmrk: Xorg is supposed to "Do The Right Thing" |
| 16:23.17 | xmrk | really? so I can't edit it? |
| 16:23.28 | xmrk | I need to change my screen resolution though |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | from X? use xrandr |
| 16:24.12 | abrotman | xmrk: if oyu use xrandr, you can see what the max possible is |
| 16:24.14 | xmrk | I tried that but I am only left with 2 resolutions (and I want a different one) |
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| 16:24.30 | abrotman | maybe your card only supports two ? |
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| 16:24.55 | xmrk | my max is 1024x768 and I need 1366x768. No, because on ubuntu I use the 1366x768 |
| 16:25.21 | abrotman | and your video card is ? |
| 16:25.39 | xmrk | ati |
| 16:25.50 | abrotman | that's a brand .. keep going |
| 16:26.05 | xmrk | how can I check exactly, abrotman? |
| 16:26.13 | abrotman | i already told you |
| 16:26.19 | xeon123 | I installed debian 6 in Xen, but the OS stucks in the GRUB. Why? |
| 16:27.06 | xmrk | lspci -nn ? |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | sure |
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| 16:29.00 | anddam | xeon123: I guess your question is a bit vague |
| 16:29.22 | xmrk | abrotman: they give me a bunch of info, which one should I tell you? |
| 16:29.24 | Asif | hi....what version of debian I should use If have old laptop pentium III with 128 mb ram..?? |
| 16:29.48 | abrotman | xmrk: oddly, your video card |
| 16:29.52 | xeon123 | I installed debian 6 in Xen. Debian 6 uses Grub 2 as a bootloader. The problem is that the image is note launching. |
| 16:29.54 | abrotman | Asif: squeeze, i386 |
| 16:30.06 | xeon123 | not launching. |
| 16:30.36 | xeon123 | During the initialization, the OS stops in the bootload. |
| 16:30.37 | xmrk | dvanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device [1022:1510] |
| 16:30.38 | xmrk | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9802] |
| 16:30.50 | abrotman | xmrk: run 'update-pciids' .. then check again |
| 16:30.51 | Asif | abrotman, I mean what desktop enviroment , 128 mb ram |
| 16:30.58 | abrotman | Asif: the one you like ? |
| 16:31.53 | anddam | do I need to add vbox* modules to /etc/modules after installing virtualbox-guest-dkms? |
| 16:32.07 | anddam | Asif: with 128 I'd say none |
| 16:32.27 | Asif | abrotman, will CD1(gnome) wirk with only 128 mb ram..? |
| 16:32.42 | anddam | Asif: have you ever used GNOME? |
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| 16:32.52 | xmrk | abrotman: can I just run archey and tell you from that? |
| 16:33.10 | Asif | anddam, i have used gnome 2.x |
| 16:33.34 | dawud | Asif: I succesfully run ratpoison in a 256MB box. You could try it. Problem will be the other graphical tools. |
| 16:34.13 | anddam | dawud: I want to try one of those tiling wm |
| 16:34.24 | abrotman | xmrk: if you don't want my help, i'll quit wasting my time |
| 16:34.32 | anddam | dawud: does ratpoison have mouse integration? |
| 16:34.35 | abrotman | Asif: that'll be slow .. xfce? fluxbox? |
| 16:34.40 | Asif | dawud, debian squeeze gnome runs fine on 256 ram + 512 swap but in this case i have only 128 mb ram |
| 16:34.53 | anddam | Asif: TIAS |
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| 16:35.04 | anddam | if it's fine you keep it, if not you drop it |
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| 16:35.21 | dawud | anddam: ratpoison is a (GNU)screen-alike window manager, and therefore, focused in key-bindings |
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| 16:35.29 | xmrk | abrotman, dude I run the command, and I am just unsure which line I should tell you. I don't see one line stating the card, it's just different ports and repeats itself |
| 16:35.29 | dawud | anddam: sure you can use a mouse, though |
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| 16:35.36 | fruitwerks | anyone use cron-apt? the config options are confusing.. I just want to knnow if there are updates, not install anything |
| 16:35.57 | dawud | anddam: but that defeats the very purpose of a rat-poison, doesn't it? |
| 16:36.10 | Asif | anddam, i wont mind if it runs slow but usable |
| 16:36.15 | anddam | dawud: nope, I use tmux a lot but still switch panes and scroll history with mouse |
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| 16:36.39 | anddam | actually trackpad, feels very natural |
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| 16:37.03 | anddam | xmrk: pastebin the output and someone will help |
| 16:37.13 | dawud | anddam: I was kinda kidding. ratpoison is great. If you are used to tmux/screen, you'll find it easy to use |
| 16:37.14 | xmrk | okay thanks |
| 16:38.26 | abrotman | xmrk: did you run update-pciids ? |
| 16:39.05 | dawud | anddam: I only use the mouse where I can't avoid it: web sites pentadactyl can't handle, and the like |
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| 16:39.59 | xmrk | abrotman: update-pciids: /usr/share/misc/pci.ids.new is read-only |
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| 16:40.59 | tremon | xmrk: that's indeed an AMD Fusion APU. You need binary firmware which is not in squeeze by default. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:41.14 | xeon123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.51 | anddam | when I use sudo I cannot use tab to complete commands in PATH, how can I fix this? |
| 16:43.14 | anddam | fresh squeeze install from netinst |
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| 16:43.30 | anddam | added sudo, added my user to sudo group |
| 16:43.49 | alex- | http://pastebin.com/ydS9XUPa |
| 16:44.50 | abrotman | xmrk: run it as root |
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| 16:46.23 | xmrk | abrotman: Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2012-04-09 03:15:02 |
| 16:46.44 | xmrk | tremon: so should I download the package? |
| 16:46.51 | abrotman | xmrk: now paste.debian.net .. show us 'lspci -nn' |
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| 16:48.37 | xeon123 | When I'm installing debian, how do I know if I got an error during installation? |
| 16:48.56 | alex- | What does this means?: I prepended the following part to /etc/init.d/vzquota (do not forget to remove the second shabang line): |
| 16:49.13 | tremon | xeon123: what do you mean? The full-red screens are pretty hard to miss... |
| 16:49.23 | xmrk | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/163255/ |
| 16:49.25 | xeon123 | ok. |
| 16:49.31 | xeon123 | tremon: thanks. |
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| 16:50.27 | abrotman | hehe nee |
| 16:50.30 | xeon123 | can I install GRUB (not grub 2) in debian 6 |
| 16:50.31 | xeon123 | ? |
| 16:50.55 | tremon | alex-: "prepend" = put in front of, i.e. insert at the beginning of the file |
| 16:51.07 | tremon | ,versions grub-legacy |
| 16:51.09 | judd | Package: grub-legacy on i386 -- squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-66; wheezy: 0.97-66 |
| 16:51.38 | abrotman | xmrk: also pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:52.00 | nsadmin | why legacy? the grub folks won't support it |
| 16:52.32 | tremon | nsadmin: are you asking me or xeon123? |
| 16:52.33 | xeon123 | nsadmin: because I install debian 6 in Xen, and with Grub 2 the OS won't start. |
| 16:52.50 | tremon | nvm |
| 16:52.50 | abrotman | xeon123: i'd suspect you messed up the install somehow |
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| 16:53.19 | xmrk | abrotman: permission denied |
| 16:53.29 | nsadmin | xeon123, you mean to start the hypervisor and the dom0? |
| 16:53.30 | alex- | tremon: thanks |
| 16:53.31 | xeon123 | abrotman: I installed the basic and the simple way to do it. Say yes to everything. |
| 16:53.47 | alex- | insserv: warning: script is corrupt or invalid: /etc/init.d/../rc6.d/S00vzreboot |
| 16:53.51 | alex- | why do I get this? |
| 16:53.56 | xeon123 | nsadmin: It's to start domU |
| 16:53.58 | abrotman | xmrk: as root? |
| 16:53.59 | Joestar79 | can anyone please translate "setfacl -Rm u:www-data:rwx logs" and "setfacl -Rm u:www-data:rx pydocs" with the equivalent chmod commands? |
| 16:54.25 | xmrk | yes |
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| 16:54.39 | nsadmin | ahh. maybe you don't need grub at all to start domUs |
| 16:54.44 | xeon123 | nsadmin: I'm assuming that dom0 is the host that it runs the xen image (domU). |
| 16:54.46 | woshty | why does nfs kernel server in wheezy depend on sysv-rc? |
| 16:54.53 | xmrk | I downloaded the firmware packages (non free) but I am not sure how I should run them |
| 16:55.07 | xeon123 | nsadmin: But I need a bootloader. |
| 16:55.51 | tremon | Joestar79: there is no equivalent chmod command |
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| 16:55.54 | nsadmin | it's a xen term... it means the installation that controls/starts the others (which are domUs_ |
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| 16:56.16 | abrotman | woshty: is that a trick question ? |
| 16:56.30 | fasta | Iridos: sudo -u fasta -g anygroup aplay foo.wav does not work. Leaving out the -g does work. |
| 16:57.10 | nsadmin | xeon123, anyway, I just wanted you to know you have more choices than you thought |
| 16:57.42 | fasta | abrotman: don't you know this? |
| 16:57.51 | woshty | abrotman: no, unfortunately not |
| 16:58.01 | tremon | xmrk: I'm not sure, but I think you need to install them as usual, then quit X (the graphics system), rmmod radeon, modprobe radeon. Simply restarting X may be enough, or might not be |
| 16:58.20 | Iridos | fasta, sounds to me like you _do_ lose the audio group |
| 16:58.30 | xeon123 | nsadmin: what choices do I have? |
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| 16:58.59 | Iridos | "bad", "worse" and "horrible"? |
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| 17:00.34 | nsadmin | you can use grub legacy or grub2 to start the dom0, and it's possible to start the domUs without any boot loader... you use one of the xen tools to do it |
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| 17:01.17 | xeon123 | nsadmin: but during the installation, I couldn't skip the bootloader menu. |
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| 17:01.42 | xeon123 | nsadmin: I must define a bootloader. |
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| 17:01.58 | nsadmin | ok, so you used the installer? btw, how did you start it? |
| 17:02.21 | fasta | Iridos: I can get aplay to work too. |
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| 17:02.30 | xeon123 | nsadmin: I started using the debian6 iso. |
| 17:02.45 | fasta | Iridos: but playing something is not the same as reading audio input from a microphone. |
| 17:02.51 | nsadmin | for the dom0 or the domU? |
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| 17:03.16 | xeon123 | for the domU |
| 17:03.31 | xeon123 | than, using vnc I accessed the installation menu. |
| 17:03.36 | woshty | abrotman: why doesnt it work with file-rc? |
| 17:04.05 | nsadmin | you have a choice there too: you can use debootstrap after arranging and mounting the storage for it |
| 17:04.38 | xmrk | so how can I run this non free firmware package? |
| 17:04.44 | xeon123 | nsadmin: how? |
| 17:05.02 | woshty | abrotman: nvm, sth is broken here |
| 17:05.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:05.20 | nsadmin | I just said how, outlining the steps. which step are you asking about? |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | xmrk: paste your sources.list .. we'll do this the easy way |
| 17:05.39 | alex- | lolwut depends on apt-show-versions; however: Package apt-show-versions is not configured yet. |
| 17:05.41 | alex- | How do i configure it? |
| 17:06.17 | abrotman | alex-: what is lolwut ? |
| 17:06.25 | alex- | some package :P |
| 17:06.35 | abrotman | :P |
| 17:06.47 | alex- | How do i conigure apt-show-versions? |
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| 17:07.36 | xmrk | abrotman: I ran it as a root but still got bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied |
| 17:07.51 | abrotman | xmrk: something is wrong with that file then |
| 17:08.01 | alex- | abrotman: How do i conigure apt-show-versions? |
| 17:08.07 | abrotman | what is lolwut? |
| 17:08.11 | alex- | it's webmin |
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| 17:08.31 | abrotman | so you're just making shit up so we'll help you |
| 17:08.31 | xeon123 | nsadmin: Now I want to install grub-legacy. How do I do it? |
| 17:08.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:08.46 | alex- | Nah people mostly say: go complain in #webmin |
| 17:08.48 | xmrk | so should I just run the firmware package? and how would I do that? |
| 17:08.48 | me-1 | hi...when Debian 7 will be released |
| 17:08.54 | abrotman | me-1: no one knows |
| 17:08.57 | alex- | That's why I changed the name of it abrotman |
| 17:09.05 | Iridos | no bets yet? |
| 17:09.12 | Iridos | anyway, what do you win when you win the bet |
| 17:09.18 | nsadmin | the package is called grub-legacy |
| 17:09.21 | me-1 | abrotman, no road map..? |
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| 17:09.34 | abrotman | me-1: sure, but no time table .. it's ready when it's ready |
| 17:09.35 | alex- | abrotman: how do i configure it? :\ |
| 17:09.54 | woshty | abrotman: the bpo version of nfs-common depends on insserv or file-rc |
| 17:10.12 | abrotman | woshty: okay, so what's the problem then ? |
| 17:10.38 | tremon | alex-: man dpkg |
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| 17:11.28 | somiaj | me-1: probably more than a year, I expect the freeze to happen sometime near the end of this year. |
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| 17:12.09 | Iridos | you do? |
| 17:12.14 | me-1 | somiaj, ok , and when support ends for squeeze..? |
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| 17:12.30 | Iridos | me-1, one year after wheezy has been released |
| 17:12.39 | somiaj | me-1: 1 year after the release of wheezy (or when the next stable after that comes out -- what ever is first) |
| 17:12.42 | somiaj | most likely the year |
| 17:12.43 | alex- | tremon: dpkg --configure apt-show-version |
| 17:12.51 | somiaj | me-1: Id estimate about 2 more years of support for wheezy, give or take |
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| 17:13.01 | somiaj | arg I mean 2 more years support for squeeze |
| 17:13.18 | xmrk | abrotman: do you know how I could run that firmware package? |
| 17:13.29 | me-1 | then its ok . i will stick to squeeze |
| 17:13.38 | abrotman | xmrk: you shuld edit your sources.list, and add non-free to your sources |
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| 17:14.00 | nsadmin | and contrib |
| 17:14.18 | tremon | looks puzzled, then hands alex- a question mark |
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| 17:15.07 | Iridos | looks questioning and hands tremon a puzzle |
| 17:15.10 | woshty | abrotman: it picks file-rc, which wont install; hmm, and i have to correct myself: i am running squeeze .. how would i switch from sysv-rc to file-rc? |
| 17:15.26 | abrotman | woshty: seems like oyu might have to ? |
| 17:15.34 | xeon123 | nsadmin: Do you remember about the configuring grub-pc menu? |
| 17:15.38 | woshty | abrotman: or install insserv |
| 17:16.05 | alex- | http://pastebin.com/MLEUx69L |
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| 17:16.27 | alex- | What is going wrong? |
| 17:16.39 | abrotman | probably the admin |
| 17:17.00 | alex- | ? |
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| 17:17.11 | alex- | what admin? |
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| 17:17.49 | WuxiIxuw | Please i want some help to setup the vps |
| 17:17.58 | alex- | WuxiIxuw: Me too |
| 17:18.11 | alex- | WuxiIxuw: define setup |
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| 17:19.27 | tremon | alex-: "fork failed: Cannot allocate memory". Either your box is severely overloaded or the debconf database is corrupted |
| 17:19.38 | alex- | I'll reinstall |
| 17:19.39 | alex- | maybe overloaded |
| 17:19.45 | alex- | it's a OpenVZ VPS |
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| 17:20.51 | Iridos | or you could check how much memory you have available and how much of that is free... |
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| 17:22.45 | xmrk | granting the fact that I can't access sources.list, is there other way I can do the firmware installation? |
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| 17:23.19 | somiaj | xmrk: why can't you access sources.list? Do you not have root permissions? |
| 17:24.08 | tremon | knows better than to question the Redmond approach to problem-fixing |
| 17:24.18 | xmrk | somiaj: when I run as a root I get this "bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied" (I'm on live usb) |
| 17:24.38 | somiaj | xmrk: that is a text file you edit with a text editor, not a binary you run |
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| 17:25.01 | somiaj | xmrk: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:25.01 | alex- | Is it normal that apache2 asks 400 mb ram? |
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| 17:25.48 | xmrk | somiaj I just did that and I have 3 links in it |
| 17:26.03 | TheAvatar301 | alex-, very individual - mine uses like 700-1000MB |
| 17:26.26 | somiaj | alex-: where are you sing this? But here I have a few apache processes wanting 400MB of virt ram |
| 17:26.43 | alex- | somiaj: a vps |
| 17:26.54 | alex- | without apache my system uses 34 mb |
| 17:26.58 | alex- | with apache 475 or something |
| 17:27.16 | tremon | alex-: depends on what you're doing with it. My apache processes keep below 10MB but I'm not using any modules. |
| 17:27.18 | somiaj | xmrk: did you add 'contrib' and/or 'non-free' to the end of your source lines |
| 17:27.50 | alex- | tremon: clean install |
| 17:27.54 | alex- | tremon: apt-get install apache2 |
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| 17:28.10 | xmrk | no I have not. Do I add 'contrib' at the end of the 3 links? and save it? |
| 17:28.32 | tremon | alex-: virtual size of resident memory? |
| 17:28.39 | tremon | s/of/or/ |
| 17:28.40 | alex- | tremon: i don't know |
| 17:28.47 | alex- | htop says 4xx |
| 17:29.02 | tremon | in what column? |
| 17:29.37 | alex- | top |
| 17:29.42 | alex- | 400/1024 |
| 17:29.50 | alex- | Wtf is wrong with my server: http://pastebin.com/cC9Ac80G |
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| 17:30.51 | somiaj | alex-: seems like you have some misconfigured init.d scripts, where did you install openvz from? |
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| 17:31.46 | somiaj | alex-: also figure out if it is virt or res memory ussage you are looking at. Virtual memory ussage lists the total of all memeory (included files on the hd) used by the pocess and may not be the actual physical memeory used. |
| 17:32.28 | xmrk | abrotman: here it is http://paste.debian.net/163262/ |
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| 17:33.43 | xmrk | somiaj: I posted my source.list and I wonder what I have to do next to install firmware? |
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| 17:35.01 | somiaj | xmrk: replace 'main' with 'main contrib non-free' |
| 17:35.04 | somiaj | at the end of each line |
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| 17:35.36 | somiaj | so add contrib and non-free to it as you have been advised to do multiple times |
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| 17:37.10 | fasta | Iridos: I got it to work in the end. |
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| 17:38.43 | xmrk | somiaj: I have edited the source.list and saved it. Now do I do do xrandr? |
| 17:39.17 | justin_ | My laptop screen does not turn back on after resuming from suspend. How do I find out the problem? |
| 17:39.24 | Iridos | fasta, so what was it |
| 17:39.40 | fasta | Iridos: it was wine. |
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| 17:40.19 | fasta | Iridos: the other sudo related things likely also were needed, but wine didn't have the standard configuration. The chosen configuration should also work, but is likely a bug. |
| 17:40.42 | somiaj | xmrk: umm, I don't think you will be able to do that on a live system |
| 17:40.48 | Iridos | heh |
| 17:41.06 | somiaj | xmrk: you will need some sort of persestance to ensure that the firmware is ready when the machine reboots to load the firmware which won't work on a live system |
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| 17:42.13 | fasta | Iridos: pretty hard to find ;) |
| 17:42.29 | merlin1991 | I've got a debian minimal (squeeze) server here and would like to enable users to mount any smb share on the network |
| 17:42.53 | somiaj | merlin1991: do these mounts change regurally? |
| 17:42.56 | merlin1991 | smbfs is deprecated, and cifs needs either root or an entry in fstab, what's the 3rd option I need? |
| 17:43.08 | tremon | somiaj: as I said a couple of pages back, it should be possible to quit X, rmmod radeon and modprobe radeon |
| 17:43.10 | somiaj | merlin1991: if they are static mounts, you can have eneteries in fstab like you said |
| 17:43.22 | xmrk | somiaj: okay, so if I install debian, and download the firmware package, edit sources.list and reboot my machine will there be more resolutions to choose from? or would I have to do something after reboot to see the new resolutions? |
| 17:43.28 | tremon | even on a live cd, but obviously I haven't tried it |
| 17:43.30 | somiaj | xmrk: listen to tremon then |
| 17:43.51 | somiaj | tremon: I recall some issues with the kms modules, they didn't like to seem to unload correctly |
| 17:44.08 | merlin1991 | somiaj: the mounts change quite often :/ |
| 17:44.11 | tremon | well, since it's a livecd, no harm in trying :) |
| 17:44.12 | somiaj | tremon: my experience is with nouveau though, I had to black list it because I couldn't unload it and load the nvidia module if it got detected. |
| 17:44.27 | anddam | abrotman: about xrandr, I'm in vbox guest and I see 1024x768 as max screen size, how do I tell X to use 1280x800? |
| 17:44.49 | somiaj | tremon: correct, I was thinking that too, but was also thinking if we have to hold his hand to modify the sources.list file, the rest could take a bit. (: |
| 17:45.28 | tremon | xmrk: do you have a text console on ctrl-alt-f1? can you login on that? |
| 17:45.52 | somiaj | xmrk: correct, that would be the easiest way. Install debian so you are aren't running on the live system. Then changs you do are perminate, and once you have the nonfree firmware, the radeon driver will work great. But as tremon is saying if you want to you can try to do this on the fly (I just think it won't work but don't take my word on that) |
| 17:45.58 | somiaj | xmrk: so have fun and try it first. :D |
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| 17:46.38 | xmrk | thanks for your help somiaj! |
| 17:47.17 | xmrk | tremon: if I go to that terminal how do I come back? I dont want to leave the irc just incase something goes wrong |
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| 17:49.23 | tremon | xmrk: ah, you're using the live environment to chat too. That might become an issue, because you'll have to quit X later on. But you can switch back to X with ctrl-alt-f7 (likely) or ctrl-alt-f8 (unlikely on a livecd) |
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| 17:49.49 | tremon | xmrk: try switching to and fro first, so we know that that works |
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| 17:51.45 | xmrk | ok |
| 17:52.00 | xmrk | it works |
| 17:52.02 | xmrk | :PPP |
| 17:52.07 | tremon | :) |
| 17:52.20 | xmrk | I made a root password |
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| 17:53.18 | merlin1991 | somiaj: I tried the fstab way for now, but it only works so far as mounting |
| 17:53.28 | merlin1991 | on umount I get umount: /home/user/smb mount disagrees with the fstab |
| 17:53.48 | xmrk | tremon dear, what should I do in the f1 terminal? |
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| 17:54.24 | somiaj | merlin1991: did you check why it disagrees look at the output of mount and compare it to /etc/fstab |
| 17:54.47 | tremon | ok. Now what you're going to do, in short: 1) login on the text console 2) stop the graphical environment 3) unload the driver 4) reload the driver 5) restart the graphical environment |
| 17:54.48 | somiaj | merlin1991: my other suggestion was to give your users the ability to run mount / umount in a sudoers file. |
| 17:55.00 | merlin1991 | and wrek havok? |
| 17:55.24 | somiaj | tremon: we still need him to install the non-free firmware, he hasn't ran apt-get update and installed it yet I belive. |
| 17:55.25 | tremon | xmrk: better read this through write it down, because after step 2) you won't have this chat window open anymore |
| 17:55.35 | tremon | somiaj: thanks. oops :) |
| 17:56.12 | somiaj | merlin1991: well you can be very specific about the command they run, so they can't just run mount and umount on anything, but try to limit them to only doing this for smb shares |
| 17:56.13 | tremon | xmrk: step 0): open a root terminal and run apt-get update |
| 17:56.44 | merlin1991 | somiaj: for now I'll try to align my fstab and the actuall mount, but it's giving me headaches |
| 17:56.52 | somiaj | merlin1991: but I think configuring the ones they are allowd to mount/unmount in /etc/fstab is the best way and if new shares get added you'll have to add them. |
| 17:56.57 | tremon | or, use sudo. if it's available in the live cd |
| 17:57.30 | xmrk | what do you mean log in to terminal? should I just be a root? |
| 17:58.01 | tremon | xmrk: yes you need to be root |
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| 17:58.14 | xmrk | awesome. keep going with your steps |
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| 17:58.35 | tremon | you can safely run step 0 now, there's no risk with it |
| 17:59.14 | xmrk | done |
| 17:59.15 | tremon | when that's done, I'll write out the exact commands for the rest |
| 17:59.28 | tremon | ok, step 0.1: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:59.46 | xmrk | should I do that now? |
| 17:59.54 | tremon | yes, still safe :) |
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| 18:01.01 | merlin1991 | somiaj: found the gotcha, had no trailing / for the source, which worked for mounting but not for unmounting |
| 18:01.13 | xmrk | done |
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| 18:01.47 | tremon | xmrk: you should have a file /lib/firmware/radeon/CAICOS_mc.bin now, is that correct? |
| 18:02.42 | xmrk | tremon: yes I opened it but it was empty |
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| 18:03.42 | tremon | it's probably not empty, just unreadable. As long as it's there, it'll be fine |
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| 18:05.11 | xmrk | how do I make sure it's there. I just typed nano 'name of the file' |
| 18:05.41 | tremon | xmrk: you could have used find /lib/firmware/radeon from the command line |
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| 18:06.36 | tremon | now, for the fun: 1) press ctrl-alt-F1 and login as root (you probably already did that before) 2) type "service gdm3 stop". This is where it gets dangerous, because you'll no longer be able to return here with crtl-alt-f7 |
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| 18:06.55 | yang2 | Hi ! IS anyone using DVB-T on Linux ? |
| 18:06.59 | xmrk | find: `/lib/firmware/radeon/CAICOS_mc.bin': No such file or directory |
| 18:07.01 | sturles | Yes. |
| 18:07.06 | yang2 | sturles: you ?= |
| 18:07.08 | sturles | I use DVB-T. |
| 18:07.10 | tremon | hrm... |
| 18:07.11 | yang2 | ok |
| 18:07.16 | yang2 | sturles: with USB stick or ? |
| 18:07.22 | sturles | PCI card. |
| 18:07.49 | yang2 | Can I ask you stuff in a query ? |
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| 18:07.58 | xmrk | tremon: what puzzles me is that I dl the non free package extracted it and it just sits there in in DL folder |
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| 18:08.12 | tremon | good thing you checked again :) |
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| 18:08.19 | sturles | Yes, but don't expect quik answers. It has been a long time since I set it up. |
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| 18:10.03 | tremon | xmrk: if you still have the .deb, just use dpkg -i <.deb> to install it. The install command before should've explicitly mentioned the one from backports (apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree/squeeze-backports). Either command will work |
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| 18:13.15 | xmrk | okay so basiclly I didn't have to download the package, I could have just used the command apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree/squeeze-backports and edit my sources.list? |
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| 18:14.33 | nsadmin | well if you have net you could have done something like that yes |
| 18:14.36 | tremon | xmrk: yes, but the other way around (first edit sources.list, then use apt-get). Since this is a live-cd, there is very little difference. On a regular system, if you download it manually you (obviously) will not get updates |
| 18:15.11 | tremon | xmrk: do you have the firmware file now? |
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| 18:15.58 | xmrk | I have firmware-linux-nonfree_0.35~bpo60+1_all.deb |
| 18:15.59 | gochilla | hey, does anyone know their ins and outs with iptables a bit? |
| 18:16.01 | xixor | Does anyone think they can give me a quick hand with grub? I am trying to get the options: nouveau.noaccel=1 blacklist=vga16fb into the kernel at bootup (debian testing), hardware is a macbook pro 5,3 with an nvida 9600GT GPU, which has a known problem with the nouveau nvidia drivers that cause it to lock up on boot (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1442133) |
| 18:16.30 | tremon | xmrk: and if you installed it, you should have /lib/firmware/radeon/CAICOS_mc.bin as well |
| 18:16.45 | nsadmin | gochilla, iptables is mostly about ins and outs... |
| 18:16.55 | gochilla | nsadmin: :) you again |
| 18:17.03 | gochilla | nsadmin: but you're right |
| 18:17.07 | nsadmin | where?? |
| 18:17.13 | twobitsprite | is sun-java not even in wheezy any more? |
| 18:17.20 | twobitsprite | I can't find the packages in aptitude |
| 18:17.37 | xmrk | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/163264/ |
| 18:17.46 | tremon | xixor: /etc/default/grub |
| 18:17.48 | gochilla | nsadmin: do you know if there is a way to delete a whole chain inluding all links to it? |
| 18:17.56 | nsadmin | are you looking to learn or which? |
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| 18:18.22 | GTRsdk | Can anyone help me get rid of the KDE cursors? |
| 18:18.35 | nsadmin | that part I don't remember specifically |
| 18:19.05 | tremon | xmrk: I thought you said the .deb was in your downloads directory? |
| 18:19.43 | nsadmin | gochilla, but let's see... it should be in man iptables |
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| 18:20.13 | tremon | gochilla: it's called Flush |
| 18:20.33 | tremon | gochilla: nvm, that will not delete it, only empty it |
| 18:20.44 | nsadmin | look at -n and -x |
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| 18:21.27 | nsadmin | by links you mean rules? |
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| 18:22.01 | arietis | why apt-get update takes so long time now? |
| 18:22.06 | Mogget | Anyone have an idea if there are systems developed for pushing syslog data to databases instead of /var/log? |
| 18:22.11 | xmrk | tremon: in my download folder I have the .deb plus the extracted content of the .deb I think I'm just going to install debian properly and use the command + sources.list and reboot to get these resolutions. Also after reboot would I go to xrandr and change the resolution from there? |
| 18:22.11 | gochilla | nsadmin: i checked the man page |
| 18:22.26 | nsadmin | look at -n and -x |
| 18:22.34 | GTRsdk | I've removed some of the KDE packages and even KDM, but the cursor is still set as the KDE one. How can I change it to the GNOME or LXDE one? |
| 18:22.59 | nsadmin | and I'm looking with you |
| 18:23.02 | xixor | tremon: ok, thanks. I am in rescue mode, I don't have the grub manpage, where do I enter "nouveau.noaccel=1 blacklist=vga16fb" into /etc/default/grub? |
| 18:23.17 | tremon | xmrk: yes, but you might still need to edit sources.list like you did on the live cd. I don't think the installer enabled non-free by default |
| 18:23.21 | homekevin | If you use xterm in unicode mode, does it need one font with all the glyphs? Or is it possible to combine fonts for a more complete set? |
| 18:23.35 | gochilla | nsadmin: -x wont do it, because there are still links from filter:INPUT to my chain |
| 18:23.55 | gochilla | nsadmin: so i will have to delete the -j's first and then -x the chain |
| 18:24.08 | xmrk | tremon: all right. Thanks for your help man, and anyone else who helped me out! |
| 18:24.27 | gochilla | nsadmin: the problem is that i want to do this with a script and dont know the link numbers in the respective chains ... |
| 18:24.32 | nsadmin | right, that's what it says... seems you have to delets the rules in the chain first |
| 18:25.05 | gochilla | nsadmin: y, i think i will have to change my method of adding and deleting rules |
| 18:25.06 | tremon | xixor: that'll be a problem. if you edit /etc/default/grub you still need to run update-grub to generate the new config file |
| 18:25.07 | homekevin | arietis: presumably one of your repositories is slow or offline. |
| 18:25.13 | nsadmin | well if you delete rule 1, the other rules will get lower (by 1) rule numbers |
| 18:25.26 | arietis | homekevin: i'll show output in a sec |
| 18:25.28 | nsadmin | so you can then delete rule 1 again |
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| 18:25.29 | gochilla | nsadmin: i got another hint: iptables-save | grep "mychain" .... |
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| 18:25.41 | gochilla | nsadmin: and then iptables-restore |
| 18:25.46 | gochilla | that might work |
| 18:26.02 | tremon | xixor: you're better off htting E in the grub menu, adding the parameters manually. That way you'll know exactly that they work. After you've booted into debian, you can edit /etc/default/grub from there |
| 18:26.09 | nsadmin | give it a whot |
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| 18:26.13 | nsadmin | shot |
| 18:26.31 | arietis | https://gist.github.com/731a2ed2a48c63097254 here is the output |
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| 18:29.53 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:29.58 | nsadmin | gochilla, also there's that thing where it says there can't be references to that chain, if there are, you have to do something about that |
| 18:30.07 | homekevin | arietis: Try a different mirror, I guess |
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| 18:30.39 | DexterF | I can ssh into a machine with key auth, but mounting an sshfs (that used to work ok for ages) says: read: connection reset by peer. cannot figure why. pointers? |
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| 18:31.25 | homekevin | DexterF: connection reset usually means you tried to connect to a port that has no service running. |
| 18:31.37 | GTRsdk | looks like I've found it |
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| 18:31.53 | homekevin | DexterF: So make sure you are hitting the machine you think you are, and the port you think you are. |
| 18:31.54 | xthree | DexterF: http://xkcd.com/138/ |
| 18:31.55 | DexterF | homekevin: ssh on port 22 works fine |
| 18:31.59 | gochilla | nsadmin: y, i just learned that /sbin/iptables shouldn't be used because it's obsolete (for most purposes) and to use iptables-save and restore instead |
| 18:32.18 | gochilla | nsadmin: so it's back to reading :) |
| 18:32.27 | DexterF | xthree: classic |
| 18:32.36 | homekevin | DexterF: Are you totally sure port 22 is what you are using in both cases? Config options can change this. |
| 18:32.47 | homekevin | DexterF: Try 'nc -v <host> 22' |
| 18:32.50 | nsadmin | obsolete? they must mean there are scripts that geberate rules |
| 18:33.01 | xixor | tremon: yeah, I am trying to edit the grub menu with E |
| 18:33.09 | homekevin | I geberate rules every day |
| 18:33.36 | nsadmin | and do you also fromlugate them?? |
| 18:33.40 | tremon | xixor: then just add the parameters on the "linux" line, after the root= parameter |
| 18:33.41 | DexterF | homekevin: Connection to vaultofsages.de 22 port [tcp/ssh] succeeded! as "ssh user@host" with no further options succeeds no big surprise |
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| 18:34.18 | xixor | tremon: ah, ok |
| 18:34.27 | xixor | tremon: I wasn't adding it to that part of the file, I was adding it above that |
| 18:34.32 | ^Busy^ | Hi. How can I execute a command in a _new_ window within an existing screen session? |
| 18:34.36 | homekevin | DexterF: Maybe try sftp, since I think that's what sshfs uses. |
| 18:34.38 | nsadmin | gochilla, do you know about Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides? |
| 18:34.56 | homekevin | DexterF: It's possible sftp isn't enabled, but I wouldn't expect a reset in that case. |
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| 18:36.18 | EmleyMoor | ^Busy^: Ctrl-A n |
| 18:36.20 | DexterF | homekevin: sftp user@host says subsystem request failed on channel 0 |
| 18:36.20 | tremon | xixor: file? You were in the grub menu? |
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| 18:36.30 | EmleyMoor | Er, Ctrl-A c |
| 18:36.41 | nsadmin | screen is multisession but I don't think it's multiple window |
| 18:37.10 | ^Busy^ | EmleyMoor: If I do that, it opens my shell, which means by the time I'm done I'd have ~40 BASH sessions running doing nothing. I want to be able to run the command in a new window with nothing else via CLI, if that makes sense. |
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| 18:37.25 | homekevin | DexterF: Hm, so that may be it. If you control the server look at 'man sshd_config' for the Subsystem option. |
| 18:37.32 | ^Busy^ | The same way `screen -US command command` doesn't start a new shell. |
| 18:37.36 | EmleyMoor | ^Busy^: In the same screen session, you can't |
| 18:37.53 | ^Busy^ | Ah, okay. |
| 18:37.55 | DexterF | homekevin: root is a friend of mine. I'll see him anyway later. |
| 18:37.56 | xixor | tremon: ah, great! that did it, I got my debian system booted for the first time now |
| 18:37.56 | ^Busy^ | Thanks. |
| 18:38.01 | DexterF | homekevin: thanks for the hints |
| 18:38.04 | nsadmin | ^Busy^, it's the shell that interprets the command |
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| 18:38.42 | nsadmin | you might be able to do "command ; exit" |
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| 18:39.32 | ^Busy^ | nsadmin: BASH remains running until the process ends. |
| 18:39.38 | ^Busy^ | Thanks anyway, though. |
| 18:40.00 | nsadmin | right, unless you exec |
| 18:40.17 | ^Busy^ | What do you mean? |
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| 18:40.57 | ^Busy^ | Oh, right. `exec <command> ; exit` works. |
| 18:41.03 | nsadmin | exec foo causes foo to replace the process which runs the exec |
| 18:41.11 | EmleyMoor | No exit needed |
| 18:41.17 | ^Busy^ | Ah, right. |
| 18:41.23 | ^Busy^ | That's perfect, then. Thank you both. |
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| 18:41.48 | tremon | xixor: now, you can edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub :) |
| 18:41.50 | nsadmin | look into fork and exec and wait |
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| 18:42.04 | ^Busy^ | Alright. |
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| 18:42.52 | nsadmin | the way the shell runs a command... it forks itself... the parent continues being a shell... the child, execs the command |
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| 18:44.40 | nsadmin | at that point you have two processes, which could run at the same time... if you don't say & the shell will wait for the command to finish |
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| 19:01.32 | xixor | yo, I just formatted a usb key as fat32 in windows 7, and tried to mount it: mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /mnt/usb, but I am getting a wrong fs type error... is there something I should do to format a fat32 usb key (1gb) that can be read by both linux and windows? cheers |
| 19:01.59 | abrotman | create it in linux ? |
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| 19:03.48 | xixor | so mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdc...mkfs.vat, no such file or directory |
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| 19:04.37 | xixor | looks like I need dosfstools |
| 19:05.27 | jelly-home | xixor: windows might have partitioned it |
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| 19:07.07 | Tuhin | the Hybrid ISO supports USB Live Persistance? |
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| 19:14.01 | dutchfish | Tuhin, https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/420179-creating-a-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-with-persistence-for-non-techies |
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| 19:17.54 | jpinx | xixor: usb keys come pre-formatted with vfat - or have you been fiddling with it? ;) |
| 19:18.26 | kba | why am I too stupid to configure alpine? All guides tell me to do something that's impossible, probably because they're outdated |
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| 19:18.42 | kba | so could anybody please tell me how to setup imap with alpine? |
| 19:18.57 | xixor | jpinx: this key has received various formats in it's long and storied life |
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| 19:21.11 | jpinx | xixor: dunno about W7, but I format them in XP -- no problems. Only vfat is offered as the fs |
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| 19:21.55 | xixor | jpinx: every single thing I ever do in linux is exrcruciatingly difficult |
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| 19:22.34 | jpinx | xixor: fwiw, formatting a USB stick or SD card with vfat using linux OS is often a fail -- better to use the native/matched OS/fs |
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| 19:22.52 | xixor | yeah, I installed the dosfstools, and wasn't able to format the key from linux |
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| 19:23.06 | jpinx | xixor: next time you need a ext3 on the usb stick, use a loop ;) |
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| 19:24.22 | jpinx | xixor: W<n> is not very forgiving of little anomolies in the fs setup, whereas linux is very forgiving |
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| 19:26.02 | abrotman | jpinx: i disagree .. formatting vfat in linux is better for interoperbility |
| 19:26.12 | jenkinsd | Jason's dip nords naw na nee |
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| 19:26.30 | xixor | jpinx: i have previously formatted this key in mac os x, and changed the MBR type to try to boot with EFI style apple hardware |
| 19:26.35 | xixor | so that might have something to do with it |
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| 19:27.10 | jpinx | abrotman: ymmv, but I have generally found my XP to be a bit fussy about the fs on devices |
| 19:27.40 | xixor | So.. an unrelated question. I am using debian testing. Is there a package I can install for the kernel source/headers/config for the kernel I am currently running? I am using 3.2.0-2-amd64 that came default with testing |
| 19:27.56 | jpinx | xixor: you can try dd-ing zeros onto the whole device and start again ;) |
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| 19:28.48 | xixor | jpinx: not a bad idea... how do I tell it when to stop? like how many zeros to write? |
| 19:29.06 | jpinx | whole device - it'll stop when it's full ;) |
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| 19:29.45 | xixor | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc ? |
| 19:29.57 | jpinx | xixor: check what the device is called on plug-in by looking at your syslog or dmesg |
| 19:30.24 | jpinx | I'd hate you to zero out the wrong device ;) |
| 19:30.46 | xixor | how does one switch consoles in the terminal again? cntrl+alt+F<N> ? |
| 19:31.02 | xixor | ah, got it, on my mac it is cntrl+alt+fn+F<N> needs that function key to make the F keys work |
| 19:31.15 | jpinx | no idea - I use screen ;) |
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| 19:35.09 | nsadmin | xixor, yeah... debian creates 6 text consoles... if X starts, it takes the next uncreated one (so, 7) |
| 19:35.22 | xixor | yeah, I have no X yet |
| 19:36.58 | xixor | so, when I went through the installer, I didn't install any desktop graphical system... how should I install X now? or rather... how can I check if my 9600GT video card is working? dmesg? dmidecode |
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| 19:39.07 | xixor | i'll try aptitude install xorg and see where that gets me |
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| 19:48.06 | dutchfish | Iridos, nice example of it: http://www.ted.com/talks/tal_golesworthy_how_i_repaired_my_own_heart.html |
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| 19:48.15 | dutchfish | oops wrong channel |
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| 19:49.34 | xskydevilx | I'm new to Debian and I wanted to try it out, but does that mean I'm going to have to download 40 (or over) CDs to get it working? |
| 19:49.48 | jenkinsd | no |
| 19:50.09 | jenkinsd | Download the netinstall CD and install it from the internet |
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| 19:50.33 | Iridos | s/and install it/and install the rest/ |
| 19:50.55 | jenkinsd | I recommend against burning it to 40 CDs unless your connection speed is slow and you want to install on 20 compuoters |
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| 19:51.38 | Iridos | xskydevilx, netinstall image is enough for a basic, kinda minimal system... the rest you only download the packages you actually are going to install... which is more efficient than downloading a lot of CDs or DVDs and then only install a little bit of what's on them |
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| 19:51.53 | jpinx | !netinstall |
| 19:51.53 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:51.54 | xskydevilx | Iridos: Yeah, I suppose. |
| 19:52.36 | DaveNull | remember its first Linux, installed from A LOT of floppy disks |
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| 19:53.19 | xskydevilx | I which though that there was a 700MB-ish CD to get. |
| 19:53.29 | Mogget | I need some input. Does anyone have an opinion about syslog-ng and wish to share that opinion? |
| 19:53.32 | xixor | when I interact with dpkg on irc, is there a way to get it to give wheezy specific things if they exist? |
| 19:53.43 | xskydevilx | With all the minimal stuff. It's not that I don't like downloading stuff, it's just that I like having a full offline installer. |
| 19:53.48 | tremon | xskydevilx: you can. Just get CD1 |
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| 19:54.48 | xixor | xskydevilx: to actual get a working minimal debian installation does not require much... those 40 CDs is full of every single package that debian provides.. compilers, programming languages, translations, in both source and binary format |
| 19:54.55 | Tuhin | <dutchfish> that tutorial asked for USB HDD ISO,,, i want to use Hybrid ISO to use as Persistant LIVE usb |
| 19:54.58 | jpinx | xskydevilx: the businesscard image of the netinstall is very small |
| 19:55.15 | xskydevilx | tremon: Does that have the same thing netinstall installs by default? |
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| 19:55.59 | jpinx | xskydevilx: you download the netinstall image and use that to install debian over the net - |
| 19:56.07 | tremon | xskydevilx: the installer is the same, thus so are the defaults. Whether debian's default fits entirely on cd1 I don't know |
| 19:56.11 | DaveNull | yes, but it will download the required package from the net as it need them |
| 19:56.33 | xskydevilx | I suppose it's better than having nothing locally, right? |
| 19:56.35 | jpinx | xskydevilx: see the message from dpkg |
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| 19:58.01 | xskydevilx | yeah, okay I'll get the CD1 and do an install from there. Hopefully it won't have to do a lot of downloading. |
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| 19:59.25 | hitest | DaveNull, the net installer works like a charm. just did a clean install of debian testing this am using the net install ISO. pulled down exactly what I wanted (xorg, xfce4, and assorted apps) |
| 20:00.13 | nsadmin | xskydevilx, use a netinstall |
| 20:00.20 | hitest | yep |
| 20:00.21 | nsadmin | less initial download |
| 20:00.24 | hitest | the way to go |
| 20:00.36 | nsadmin | then everything else is packages |
| 20:00.43 | xskydevilx | nsadmin, I explained why I don't want to use that. |
| 20:01.13 | xskydevilx | though, I wish I could see what's on every of the CDs. |
| 20:01.34 | hitest | xskydevilx, why download all of that stuff? |
| 20:01.35 | jpinx | xskydevilx: you can - look in debian.org |
| 20:01.36 | nsadmin | so you want all the packages yourself |
| 20:01.47 | nsadmin | is that what I'm hearing? |
| 20:02.03 | nsadmin | there's a sneaky way to do that |
| 20:02.10 | nsadmin | say you have many machines |
| 20:02.21 | xskydevilx | Well, here's what I want to do: |
| 20:02.27 | nsadmin | on your net and you want to install to them too |
| 20:02.31 | xskydevilx | I have 4 PCs on which I want to install them to. |
| 20:02.33 | jpinx | xskydevilx: for a new install when you have a connection, use netinstall |
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| 20:02.43 | xskydevilx | And downloading it on all four it loco. |
| 20:02.46 | xskydevilx | *is |
| 20:02.52 | nsadmin | then you should consider having a proxy |
| 20:02.54 | JodaZ_ | any mirrors still having lenny ?_? |
| 20:03.12 | nsadmin | whether you go with netinstall or cd1 or what |
| 20:03.22 | tremon | JodaZ_: no |
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| 20:03.28 | nsadmin | JodaZ_, lenny has been removed from the mirrors |
| 20:03.39 | nsadmin | now it's only on the archive site |
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| 20:04.22 | JodaZ_ | nsadmin, whats the sources.list entry for that ? |
| 20:04.50 | nsadmin | JodaZ_, not sure; look at archive.debian.org |
| 20:05.09 | xskydevilx | I just read the FAQ and here's a quote: "The first CD/DVD contains the installation system and the most popular packages." So, I suppose I'll go with that one. |
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| 20:05.42 | jpinx | !tell JodaZ_ about lenny |
| 20:05.44 | nsadmin | xskydevilx, so cd1 is the netinstall plus some more packages |
| 20:06.08 | xskydevilx | nsadmin, Yeah, I guess. Probably the ones that netinstall downloads and installs by default. |
| 20:06.22 | xskydevilx | nsadmin, Besides, I can get extra software later. |
| 20:06.33 | nsadmin | yes |
| 20:07.00 | xskydevilx | I like Debian's graphic installer. |
| 20:07.17 | nsadmin | and if you have that proxy installed, it will collect the packages you download so that when you want the same packages again, it comes from your proxy |
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| 20:07.37 | xskydevilx | nsadmin, hm.. interesting. |
| 20:07.52 | JodaZ_ | jpinx, but its not even a century since lenny got released ! |
| 20:08.08 | nsadmin | xskydevilx other than that, you can still use cd1 (or netinstall) |
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| 20:08.27 | tremon | JodaZ_: it's also less than a century since Intel introduced the 80286. What's your point? |
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| 20:08.32 | Delf | I am going insane. I see no errors in the samba log file. How do I enable verbose mode for logging? |
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| 20:09.05 | JodaZ_ | tremon, debian doesn't support x86 anymore ? |
| 20:09.07 | xskydevilx | nsadmin, The weird thing is that it downloaded so slow from the installer, even though I picked the right mirrors and it's going at 400 kb/s (theoretical maximum of my network) |
| 20:09.17 | tremon | not the 286... |
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| 20:09.23 | nsadmin | notices Delf is a quart low, so adds some 10/40 |
| 20:09.34 | jpinx | xskydevilx: depends on whether the machines you are installing on are *exactly* the same hardware, then install on one and just copy that over |
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| 20:10.13 | nsadmin | Delf, I think you would do that at samba |
| 20:10.30 | Delf | nsadmin: Do what? |
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| 20:10.38 | Delf | Going insane? :P |
| 20:10.41 | xskydevilx | jpinx, relatively yes, so I can just do that :) |
| 20:10.59 | nsadmin | since you want more verbose logging, you'd do that in some samba config file |
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| 20:11.37 | debian | hi |
| 20:11.39 | Delf | nsadmin: I have no clue what you mean by "that"? |
| 20:11.48 | debian | I'm debian |
| 20:11.55 | xskydevilx | hello debian |
| 20:12.08 | Guest92001 | mmm |
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| 20:12.28 | nsadmin | Guest92001, so you're two people? |
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| 20:12.50 | xskydevilx | Guest92001, identity crysis |
| 20:12.56 | skopsko | r |
| 20:12.57 | xskydevilx | Guest92001, :P |
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| 20:13.40 | Guest92001 | :( |
| 20:13.45 | Guest92001 | Well well |
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| 20:14.40 | nsadmin | Delf, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html <-- reference... logging should be set in here |
| 20:14.40 | Guest92001 | I have problems for install whatever software, I have a dependence problem, I'm amd64 squeeze, and standar source.list http://pastebin.com/1NK45bWb |
| 20:15.18 | Delf | nsadmin: Thans. I found similar link http://oreilly.com/openbook/samba/book/ch04_08.html |
| 20:15.18 | jelly-home | wilfredor: please show your sources.list |
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| 20:15.36 | wilfredor | jelly-home: squeeze official |
| 20:15.47 | wilfredor | jelly-home: wait a moment, please |
| 20:15.53 | nsadmin | Delf, that's supposed to be a good book |
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| 20:16.54 | wilfredor | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/SMexP3bD |
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| 20:17.42 | jelly-home | wilfredor: you're missing the main mirror source. /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 20:18.11 | wilfredor | jelly-home: ok |
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| 20:18.32 | nsadmin | and you should probably use http.us.debian.org instead of ftp.debian.org |
| 20:18.39 | nsadmin | that's a special mirror |
| 20:20.00 | wilfredor | jelly-home: only deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main non-free ?? |
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| 20:21.06 | nsadmin | wilfredor, if you want non-free you also want contrib |
| 20:21.50 | abrotman | not always true ... but whatever |
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| 20:22.47 | anisfarhana | abrotman: i think i know you. |
| 20:22.57 | jelly-home | wilfredor: yeah, probably "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
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| 20:23.54 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly-home, try using this web app ... it will help you to create a nice sources.list file http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 20:26.38 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly-home, it's just select what you want, copy and paste the retrieved list and run the commands at the end of the page to download and add the repository credentials to you APT ... its' really easy :D |
| 20:26.57 | jelly-home | TheCoffeMaker: thanks, I don't have a need for that |
| 20:28.12 | xixor | when I go dpkg -l <package name>, the package name has ":amd64" in the name. how do I uninstall this package? no matter how I type the name.. with or without amd64, dpkg cannot find the package |
| 20:28.41 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly-home, it's true, sorry :P ... was for wilfredor but he left :P ... sorry again :P |
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| 20:30.55 | TheCoffeMaker | dpkg --get-selections | grep whatyouarlookingfor |
| 20:30.56 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, TheCoffeMaker |
| 20:31.15 | TheCoffeMaker | xixor, read that :P |
| 20:32.02 | tremon | xixor: is it actually installed? |
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| 20:36.15 | raptor67682 | hello world. would you evtl. know another alternative to PV and RSYNC to do CP with a progress bar like wget (in our repositories stable)? |
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| 20:37.22 | nsadmin | does rsync not have a progress bar? |
| 20:37.39 | simonlnu | CP: command not found |
| 20:38.18 | JPT | rsync --progress |
| 20:38.24 | JPT | that's enough for me :) |
| 20:38.27 | nsadmin | right, RSYNC would not be found either... unix is case sensitive; the commands are rsync and cp |
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| 20:39.46 | nsadmin | what;s pv? |
| 20:39.48 | jmanuel_cool | saludos |
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| 20:40.33 | jelly-home | xixor: you're using debian testing or unstable with some multiarch support. You ought to be able to remove the package using dpkg. |
| 20:40.53 | simonlnu | ,i pv |
| 20:40.55 | judd | Package pv (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through. Version: 1.1.4-1; Size: 27.5k; Installed: 136k; Homepage: http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pv |
| 20:41.07 | simonlnu | nsadmin: ^^^ |
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| 20:41.21 | nsadmin | oh, thanks |
| 20:41.55 | nsadmin | that guy never did respond... hope he saw all that |
| 20:42.28 | simonlnu | raptor67682: apt-cache search progress meter |
| 20:42.54 | simonlnu | raptor67682: next time, ask the bot or go on the web site, or use your apt utilities |
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| 20:44.59 | xixor | is there a debian way of setting the default display manager? I don't have gdm,kdm.. only wmaker and xmonad |
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| 20:46.14 | nsadmin | is it dpkg-reconfigure x-window-manager? |
| 20:46.37 | Patsantre | Hi there. Anyone knows about some apt repository where I can get hardened (with PaX/GrSecurity patches in Gentoo manner) linux images for Debian? |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | xixor: then you don't have a display manager |
| 20:46.46 | simonlnu | display manager? um, kinda pointless to set a default when you don't have one installed ;). |
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| 20:46.50 | abrotman | xixor: do you want a display manger? |
| 20:47.16 | xixor | display managers are like gdm and kdm right? |
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| 20:47.31 | simonlnu | xdm, kdm, slim, gdm, etc |
| 20:47.34 | nsadmin | well that's the login thing for them |
| 20:47.45 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:47.46 | xixor | yeah... I am neutral on having a display manager |
| 20:47.53 | simonlnu | nsadmin: those are called display managers |
| 20:48.04 | abrotman | stop with the fancy words |
| 20:48.17 | nsadmin | but the de's themselves are a large chunk of packages |
| 20:48.31 | simonlnu | abrotman: o_O |
| 20:48.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:48.43 | simonlnu | fancy words? |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: he didn't say anything about DE ? |
| 20:49.14 | simonlnu | thinks someone is confused |
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| 20:49.27 | simonlnu | and it isn't me for once |
| 20:50.10 | nsadmin | oh, looky that... he did say display mgr and not window mgr or de |
| 20:50.40 | jpinx | points to a spade and a fork and tells simonlnu to take his pick ;) |
| 20:51.03 | simonlnu | smacks jpinx with the spade |
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| 20:51.59 | simonlnu | anyway |
| 20:52.39 | simonlnu | xixor: if there isn't a DM installed, it won't run ;). easy peasy. there's no point in trying to configure something that doesn't exist on the system. |
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| 20:53.30 | simonlnu | or config for it, even |
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| 21:06.20 | Lambertini | somebody help-me with jail ( chrood ) in debian ? |
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| 21:10.05 | Maccer | Is there a way to make a source package in debian? (i.e compile your own program/package which gets registered in aptitude) |
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| 21:11.32 | Lambertini | idk |
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| 21:14.34 | jelly-home | Maccer: if you're asking whether your can create a local repository, and put your own packages in there, the answer is yes |
| 21:14.42 | jelly-home | Maccer: /msg dpkg reprepro |
| 21:15.21 | Lambertini | somebody help-me with jail ( chrood ) in debian ? |
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| 21:15.45 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 21:15.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:16.19 | Maccer | jelly-home: I don't know to be honest. In ArchLinux you can retrieve a copy of a package, modify it, and build it back in what ever fashion you wish. |
| 21:16.41 | derric | Hello, I am setting up a HP DeskJet 932C printer with my Squeeze system and was wondering what driver from the CUPS selections would be best. |
| 21:16.43 | Maccer | I just want to trim some SDL components and enable framebuffer without x. |
| 21:16.43 | jelly-home | Maccer: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 21:16.51 | Maccer | Gotcha. |
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| 21:17.46 | xskydevilx | Yo! I got the CD1 and CD2, and I want to put them on my 2 GB USB stick. How do I do that? |
| 21:19.30 | Delf | https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2012-January/165560.html |
| 21:19.31 | dvs | !usb install |
| 21:19.33 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 21:21.02 | karlpinc | derric: I always go to linuxprinting.org, which I think now is the linuxfoundation but I can't recall the domain name. |
| 21:21.53 | derric | karlpinc: What they have FAQs there or a forum? |
| 21:22.11 | karlpinc | derric: The have a database. |
| 21:22.32 | karlpinc | derric: Anyhow, the old domain name works. IIRC. |
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| 21:25.21 | Maccer | Just curious, does debian use swap after loading the linux image? In a 32MB environment, it fails to process. In a 64MB one though it loads perfectly fine. |
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| 21:27.29 | derric | karlpinc: I have to ask neubie question, how does one set CUPS up to start using the linux foundation printer plugin stuff? |
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| 21:27.58 | derric | karlpinc: Oops, I forgot, find their IRC channel aye? |
| 21:28.27 | karlpinc | derric: You figure out what driver you need, then use the debian search tools (apt-file or apt-cache) to find the package containing the file. (or packages.debian.org) Then install the package like any other debian package. |
| 21:28.36 | nvz | Maccer: about 16 |
| 21:28.48 | nvz | Maccer: about 16MB is used for the initrd possibly more |
| 21:28.49 | karlpinc | derric: Or sometimes it's just obvious what package to use. |
| 21:29.28 | Iridos | derric, if you mean those ppd thingies... they're really only copied somewhere... but I think there is an "upload" possibility while you configure the printer |
| 21:29.47 | karlpinc | derric: Then you go to localhost:631 (iirc) and poke at the cups web interface to setup the printer. (You might have the right package installed already.) |
| 21:29.51 | Maccer | nvz: I've used Arch, and it boots up in ~32MB, and it uses a init too. Kind of a BSD-hybrid though. |
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| 21:30.26 | karlpinc | derric: Rarely, you can download the ppd thing and tell cups to use it (somewhere in the web printer setup). I've never had to do that but it's always a possibility. |
| 21:30.46 | xskydevilx | I've got TWO disks. Not one. Can I like merge them? |
| 21:31.25 | derric | karlpinc: Yeah, I'm at the web interface and there are a number of dirvers to choose from, foomatic, gutenprint, hpijs etc. I was wondering which one would be the best, and perhaps which would be the one to fall back to if there are problems with the others etc. |
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| 21:31.46 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: Yes. Either with mdadm or lvm. Lvm is more flexable. Depends on what you want. mdadm does all sorts of software raid. |
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| 21:32.00 | karlpinc | !tell xskydevilx about lvm |
| 21:33.11 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: Read up on raid and logical volume management. Perhaps wikipeida or ibm developerworks. |
| 21:33.52 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, But are you sure that's for what I want to do? |
| 21:34.01 | karlpinc | derric: That's where the linuxprinting.org db comes in handy. It tells you those things. (Printing is always a pain.) |
| 21:34.26 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: One of them is. Probably. You could tell us what you want to do. |
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| 21:34.58 | derric | karlpinc: Yep... Thanks, I peruse the site. |
| 21:35.18 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, Well, see I downloaded two of the CDs for installing Debian (as the docummentation suggested) and I have a 2GB USB. I don't want to just be stuck with one CD to be transported there. |
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| 21:36.27 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: The documention probably suggests the netinstall image. Unless you plan to be installing lots of boxes or somewhere where there's no internet. |
| 21:36.51 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: So, you're trying to install? |
| 21:37.22 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, Well, I said earlier that I would be doing an install on 4 different PCs. I can't cofigure a proxy (as someone suggested from above), so it's a bit silly to download it seperatly on all of those. |
| 21:38.33 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: Well, you _could_ configure a cache once you've one installed. It's easy, if you know a bit about linux/networking, and hard otherwise. You're not going to burn the cds? |
| 21:38.53 | xskydevilx | Well if I can do it via the USB, it would be faster. |
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| 21:40.06 | xskydevilx | and seeing how I already downloaded those, I don't really wanna do the netinstall. |
| 21:40.12 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: You probably want to be reading the installation guide to see what _all_ your options are. It might be easiest to put a debian-live image on the usb stick and then install from that -- if you want just one image. But I've not tried it. |
| 21:40.35 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: So you just downloaded the iso images and put them on the stick? |
| 21:40.51 | xskydevilx | Well I don't think that would work, karlpinc. |
| 21:41.09 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: Why not? |
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| 21:41.49 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, because I can't boot of off .iso files directly on the stick :P |
| 21:42.14 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: Oh, I thought you were talking about the debian-live images. So what exactly did you put on the stick? |
| 21:42.23 | karlpinc | s/images/image/ |
| 21:42.39 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, Nothing yet, that's why I'm asking you guys to help out :) |
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| 21:44.09 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: You want to take 2 install cds, put them on 1 usb stick, and be able to install from it. (?) That seems a little round-about. I can only suggest that you follow the installation guide's instructions. There might be a way to do what you want, but I can't say offhand. |
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| 21:44.59 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: (Like you might be able to put a minimal debian-live image on the usb stick along with the iso images and mount them after booting from the stick and use them to install. That's the sort of thing the install guide might help with. Still seems round-about.) |
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| 21:45.29 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, Hm, I'll see what's there. I might explore the .iso's a bit. |
| 21:45.41 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: (You'd mount the iso images loopback. But I don't know how to use them to install if you've just got the cds mounted.) |
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| 21:46.34 | sneex | You will need to layout the USB with a sysimage installer as if it were going to be live -- kind of like them other guys :P |
| 21:47.00 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, Wait, Debian has a live image as well? What does it contain? |
| 21:47.09 | sneex | debianlive is where I would start |
| 21:47.17 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: There's a lot of choices, or you can build your own. |
| 21:47.20 | sneex | >< |
| 21:47.45 | karlpinc | !debian live |
| 21:47.46 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 21:48.50 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, I might go with the GNOME one if it has most of the stuff that I can install without downloading 500MB+ of data. |
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| 21:49.18 | wilfredor | hi |
| 21:49.40 | wilfredor | Someone could help me to configurate a ati mobility radeon 4500 series at my notebook, I have squeeze and amd64 |
| 21:49.56 | boudiccas | !someone |
| 21:49.56 | karlpinc | xskydevilx: If you must have more than one cd worth, but less than 2G then debian-live is what I'd choose from the off-the-shelf options. (Not that I've read all of the install guide in a long while.) |
| 21:49.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:49.57 | sneex | whats the error? |
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| 21:50.20 | wilfredor | boudiccas: ok |
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| 21:50.35 | karlpinc | wilfredor: Actually, that was a pretty good question. |
| 21:50.47 | xskydevilx | karlpinc, Thanks for the help. I'll test it out in VirtualBox. |
| 21:50.57 | wilfredor | I downloaded the official driver from ati page but when I reboot the machine the X is failed |
| 21:51.08 | wilfredor | karlpinc: :) |
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| 21:51.43 | abrotman | you're not supposed to use the stuff from the ati website |
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| 21:52.00 | karlpinc | wilfredor: Ah. You need to do things the debian way. (See footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware) The first question is whether you can use the free driver included in debian or you need something proprietary. |
| 21:52.39 | wilfredor | karlpinc: Yes, I love supertuxkart |
| 21:53.08 | karlpinc | wilfredor: There's probably a package in non-free you can install that will install the proprietary driver for you. |
| 21:53.16 | wilfredor | and the fps is slowest with the free driver |
| 21:53.29 | wilfredor | karlpinc: I already do it that |
| 21:53.46 | karlpinc | wilfredor: You installed the package from non-free? |
| 21:53.52 | wilfredor | I tested xserver-xorg-radeon ati fglrx etc... |
| 21:54.03 | wilfredor | karlpinc: yes |
| 21:54.13 | Iridos | wilfredor, most probably fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 21:54.23 | wilfredor | Iridos: ok |
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| 21:54.44 | karlpinc | wilfredor: Sorry, don't know much about that. |
| 21:54.50 | Iridos | along with mmh, fglrx-driver and fglrx-glx I guess |
| 21:55.12 | karlpinc | + |
| 21:55.18 | wilfredor | Iridos: ok, again |
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| 21:55.47 | karlpinc | wilfredor: (oops) And then you could pastebin your X log output to see if it's really working right. (Presumabely somebody here could look at it.) |
| 21:55.47 | Iridos | the -dkms one should automatically start compiling the needed kernel module for the kernel you're running at the momemnt |
| 21:56.06 | wilfredor | karlpinc: ok |
| 21:56.12 | wilfredor | Iridos: ok, I go to reboot, wait me |
| 21:56.38 | wilfredor | If I can't comeback quickly , that's because my X is down :) |
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| 21:57.18 | pem3v78 | wilfredor, switch to text irc application like irssi ;) |
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| 21:58.18 | Iridos | reboot? |
| 21:58.45 | Iridos | oh, i see |
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| 22:01.18 | Joestar79 | hi all |
| 22:01.22 | Joestar79 | Can anyone please translate "setfacl -Rm u:www-data:rwx logs" and "setfacl -Rm u:www-data:rx pydocs" with the equivalent chmod commands? |
| 22:02.28 | Iridos | no |
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| 22:10.21 | EdePopede | hi. what options do i have with debian 6 to make contact to someone who has skype? |
| 22:10.32 | petemc | installing skype |
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| 22:11.42 | Woet | awars petemc 10 obvious answer points |
| 22:11.46 | Woet | awards too |
| 22:11.53 | petemc | :) |
| 22:12.00 | Lambertini | someone tell me why this error 'xterm': unknown terminal type. is given in a User in jail and how corrigilo |
| 22:12.00 | Iridos | well |
| 22:12.03 | petemc | its the only answer, afaik |
| 22:12.06 | Iridos | are there any less-obvious answers? |
| 22:12.16 | Patsantre | Hi, I want to copy all files from a directory to another but with excluding some certain files. How can I do it from shell? |
| 22:12.16 | Woet | no, not really |
| 22:12.18 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: "reverse-engineer it yourself" |
| 22:12.23 | Woet | the protocol is not open source |
| 22:12.25 | EdePopede | and for icq i must go to icq, download icq for linux, right? |
| 22:12.42 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: Pidgin probably supports ICQ |
| 22:12.43 | EdePopede | icq is open source? |
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| 22:13.15 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: very few protocols are free. if you want a free protocol, use XMPP / Jabber. |
| 22:13.16 | somiaj | Patsantre: rsync, it has an --exclude option |
| 22:13.16 | Iridos | Patsantre, cp file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 /new/dir/ |
| 22:13.21 | Iridos | Woet, how many? |
| 22:13.24 | EdePopede | thewanderer1: was only a rhetoric question, i had kopete (i guess) while i used it |
| 22:13.31 | Patsantre | Iridos, em, there is a lot of files |
| 22:13.35 | DaveNull | Pidgin supports ICQ |
| 22:13.44 | EdePopede | what about ekida? |
| 22:13.46 | Iridos | Patsantre, you're not being very precise :) |
| 22:13.50 | EdePopede | * ekiga |
| 22:13.51 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: there was a Skype rewrite effort, but the guy got sued by Microsoft for who-knows-what. |
| 22:14.01 | Patsantre | ICQ is reverse-engineered and well know for now and skype is not |
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| 22:14.12 | somiaj | Patsantre: so rsync --exclude '*bad' /old/dir /new/dir |
| 22:14.32 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: Ekiga does not support the Skype protocol. Skype != standard VoIP (SIP, H.232 or was it 323??) |
| 22:14.33 | somiaj | man rsync for more info, it is a nice tool |
| 22:14.38 | Patsantre | somiaj: than |
| 22:14.41 | DaveNull | But, it seems that clients like IM+ on Android supports Skype, too |
| 22:15.00 | thewanderer1 | DaveNull: via the Skype API... |
| 22:15.47 | thewanderer1 | (IPC to the Skype process running on its own) |
| 22:15.54 | DaveNull | ok |
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| 22:16.37 | Patsantre | Skype is well "obfuscated" and it is hard to get the protocol... |
| 22:17.14 | Patsantre | All connections are encrypted; moreover the binary executables is encrypted too |
| 22:17.22 | Patsantre | are |
| 22:17.35 | EdePopede | and uses kde iirc |
| 22:18.06 | Patsantre | and the only way to get it is to run it in a virtual machine and look what the CPU does |
| 22:18.14 | EdePopede | and i surely didn't switch from kde to xfce just to be forced to install the whole stuff again :/ |
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| 22:19.24 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: Skype uses Qt, not KDE I think |
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| 22:22.26 | gouchmister | I am recruiting software engineers to a collaborative development company. Anyone interested? |
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| 22:26.54 | EdePopede | weird. skype.com mentions Qt 4.4.0 – in contrast to dpkg-deb -I |
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| 22:31.29 | Iridos | Believer, well, praise your Lord for me a couple of times |
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| 22:41.44 | EdePopede | Skype is a non-free (proprietary) software. It isn't supported by Debian. It's probably wiser to use a VoIP software, like ekiga , linphone or jitsi ! <-- http://wiki.debian.org/skype – i think that told me about ekiga. but still sounds to me like "install a FLOSS client instead of proprietary and you're done" |
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| 22:44.27 | Iridos | EdePopede, right... now only gotta convince the 20 people you wanna video-talk with of that |
| 22:44.29 | Iridos | easy! |
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| 22:45.52 | yang2 | I keep geting stream errors when watching DVB-T streams, is it possible because of the non-open codecs ? |
| 22:45.56 | yang2 | [h264 @ 0x9540300] Reference 4 >= 2 |
| 22:45.57 | yang2 | [h264 @ 0x9540300] error while decoding MB 43 0, bytestream (4225) |
| 22:46.00 | yang2 | [h264 @ 0x9540300] concealing 1620 DC, 1620 AC, 1620 MV errors |
| 22:46.02 | EdePopede | is that your undertanding of helping people in FLOSS channels? just making jokes? |
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| 22:46.41 | petemc | EdePopede: lighten up |
| 22:47.26 | EdePopede | can io connect with ekiga , linphone or jitsi to skype? |
| 22:47.31 | EdePopede | s/io/i/ |
| 22:49.11 | EdePopede | and if, which one then? i don't want to install evolution or whatever only to click an entry somewhere instead of typing the name into a "connect with..." dialog |
| 22:49.46 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: only Skype can connect to Skype. nothing else. |
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| 22:50.07 | EdePopede | ok, then the wiki text misled me |
| 22:50.21 | thewanderer1 | there are programs which claim to support Skype, but all they really do is launch Skype in the background and communicate with it, issuing commands |
| 22:50.22 | boudiccas | EdePopede, evolution is a mail agent and diary keeper, why should it connect to skype? |
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| 22:51.36 | EdePopede | thewanderer1: thanks for the hint... there was a 16 year old last year or so who announced an OS that may run EVERYTHING (seems it worked just like that, by running emulations and alternative programs *g*) |
| 22:52.13 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: it's possible to run Skype on Debian, it's just not free/open-source |
| 22:52.34 | EdePopede | boudiccas: ekiga evolution-data-server{a} evolution-data-server-common{a} <<< that's the start of the list that would be installed with ekiga, which i thought would be an alternative to skype |
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| 22:53.03 | EdePopede | there seem to be some problems with amd64 though |
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| 22:53.57 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: the wiki entries are quite old... it works fine on Debian Stable amd64 for me. breaks every 5 minutes on Testing, though. |
| 22:53.58 | EdePopede | and i'm not sure about deps – skype.com mentions Qt4, dpkg-deb -I doesn't. highly irritating! |
| 22:54.12 | EdePopede | Testing? |
| 22:54.25 | EdePopede | oh, next debian? |
| 22:54.36 | EdePopede | ok, no problem, i don't plan to upgrade THAT fast *g* |
| 22:55.51 | thewanderer1 | EdePopede: indeed, Skype requires many libraries, and you need 32-bit versions of them to run |
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| 22:56.17 | thewanderer1 | because they don't really do amd64 compiles - they just package the same old i386 crap and just change the package metadata :P |
| 22:57.11 | EdePopede | just like in DOS... used to make cmp's, only 1 byte changed. here 6.0, there 6.2^^ |
| 22:57.59 | EdePopede | talk talk should really be the big software companies' houseband... 1 title fits perfectly :/ |
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| 23:17.41 | thewanderer1 | (yes, GNOME on Squeeze) |
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| 23:31.09 | pmpbook | I need to get one pacakge off the test repository: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/opencv |
| 23:31.19 | pmpbook | What is the best way to do this |
| 23:31.28 | dvs | !bdo |
| 23:31.29 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 23:31.56 | dvs | ,versions opencv |
| 23:31.57 | judd | No package named 'opencv' was found in i386. |
| 23:32.11 | eeemsi | could someone give me a hint how that could be fixed? |
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| 23:36.13 | pmpbook | the stable version doesn't support some operators I need in c++ |
| 23:36.13 | pmpbook | and would rather not build from source |
| 23:36.13 | cads | Hi, I'm in the process of an installation of debian stable from the Gnome liveDVD. The "Finish The Installation" step fails when I attempt to install the GRUB bootloader. |
| 23:36.13 | cads | the grub-pc package fails |
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| 23:36.13 | cads | I have two questions, the first is, can I safely abort the installation and attempt to install grub manually? |
| 23:36.39 | cads | the second question is why should grub fail to install? I have a couple partitions before the linux root partition - namely, a 300gb windows partition. I also have a previous instance of grub which was booting an old ubuntu installation. |
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| 23:37.07 | cads | I believe this instance of grub is installed in my MBR |
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| 23:37.59 | cads | could this be the cause of the failure? |
| 23:38.40 | cads | a solution appears to be Supergrub |
| 23:39.24 | cads | in this case, I only need to know if I can safely abort the installation at the last step, and still have a working deployment once I fix grub |
| 23:39.32 | Patsantre | doubt that grub is installed correctly |
| 23:39.41 | Patsantre | you have to abort it int the last step |
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| 23:39.49 | Patsantre | or |
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| 23:40.30 | Patsantre | you can boot again using debian cd/usbflsash/etc and run the shell and then mount the partition and chroot to it and install the bootloader |
| 23:40.46 | Patsantre | but generally it is safe to abort the installation process |
| 23:41.02 | Patsantre | moreover, for now I never use the installer to install Debian system |
| 23:41.10 | Patsantre | I use debootstrap and happy with it |
| 23:42.24 | Patsantre | After the bootstraping process I just chroot to the directory and configure hostname/locales/user-passwords by myself and install some additional software |
| 23:42.32 | Patsantre | including the bootloader |
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| 23:47.36 | cads | Patsantre, thanks for the advice and the info. I'll cancel the install process and install the bootloader manually |
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| 23:50.11 | Patsantre | cads, don't forget to change your root's password AFAIR the installer makes the change at the final state |
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| 23:51.20 | Patsantre | stage |
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| 23:51.58 | yogapants | Hi, could someone help me with this? I was setting up a Debian based box and I did nano ~/init_setup.sh |
| 23:51.59 | yogapants | then added /usr/bin/uaputl sys_cfg_ssid $SSID |
| 23:51.59 | yogapants | ## |
| 23:51.59 | yogapants | ## start of added lines ## |
| 23:51.59 | yogapants | ## This uses either WPA or WPA2 security |
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| 23:55.33 | yogapants | OK so I added the following lines to ~/init_setup.sh and got locked out because the pw was too short and now I have no clue what its using as the pw http://paste.debian.net/163290/ |
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