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| 00:01.31 | eeemsi | could someone give me a hint how that could be fixed? |
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| 00:01.58 | esad | hi everyone - I am using ubuntu but I think this might be debian related |
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| 00:02.07 | esad | can I safely use the "backup" user (home in /var/backups) |
| 00:02.08 | eeemsi | i did try to install os-prober from debian stable … didn't work out so well |
| 00:02.18 | esad | to do duplicity backups there |
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| 00:02.27 | esad | not that it's going to get autopurged or something :) |
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| 00:05.44 | cento | http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2012/results.txt |
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| 00:06.32 | joshua_ | Hi! I'm looking for the source to an old version of a package that I have installed on my machine. I can't seem to find it on any of the package repos. |
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| 00:06.59 | joshua_ | (In particular, I'm looking for source matching linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64.) |
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| 00:07.40 | joshua_ | I installed this machine a few months ago, so source should still be around somewhere (per the GPL etc), but I can't seem to find it... |
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| 00:08.05 | joshua_ | Can anyone point me to where I might find the source for this version? |
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| 00:12.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | joshua_: if it was a debian package, snapshot.d.n |
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| 00:15.17 | joshua_ | that seemed to do it - -thanks! |
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| 00:22.31 | EdePopede | is it possible to install a package without exactly one of it dependencies? i see no reason to install a manager for addressbooks and emails and whatever evolution does additionally... just to have ekiga |
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| 00:24.08 | eeemsi | ok … i solved the problem via reinstall grub-pc … thanks anyway |
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| 00:24.29 | deb0 | EdePopede: if a package is not a dependcy, just recommended, you can deselect it in aptitude |
| 00:24.49 | EdePopede | it actually is one, that's the problem |
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| 00:25.31 | EdePopede | but i see surely need no software that does what evolution does according to its description |
| 00:26.05 | deb0 | EdePopede: I'd guess you'd have to build the package from source then, because the app probably won't start without a dependency installed? |
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| 00:27.52 | EdePopede | good question... i had suse+kde until last year... and at some version i HAD to install the suse kde decoration, because some kde core depended on it. and all it did was to put one of those suse animals on top of every window. no need to use it, but to install it just for nothing... |
| 00:28.22 | thespock | hey i was wondering what do you guys use for hosting? |
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| 00:29.40 | thespock | i am representing a company called Phi 9 (www.phi9.com) and they have a good deal goin |
| 00:30.07 | pmpbook | How do I find which repository http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/opencv is in? |
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| 00:30.13 | thespock | on with 1 year of free Linux/debian hosting - use the promo code 'usave40' |
| 00:30.48 | esad | wow, affiliate spam on irc |
| 00:30.51 | esad | gotta give them credit for that |
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| 00:31.54 | craigevil | pmpbook, normal debian wheezy repo, just make sure it has deb-src rather than deb in it |
| 00:32.19 | madsci44 | can anyone tell me where I might find a place where I can look up the list of packages that correspond to a given tasksel choice? |
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| 00:33.12 | pmpbook | thanks |
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| 00:36.09 | pmpbook | craigevil: So would I just add http://pastebin.com/7aKfEDJR to my sources.list? |
| 00:37.26 | pmpbook | I tried doing that |
| 00:37.32 | pmpbook | and it says it can't find the package |
| 00:37.32 | craigevil | pmpbook, more like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 00:37.32 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.38 | pmpbook | oh |
| 00:37.46 | pmpbook | hmm |
| 00:38.05 | pmpbook | Where can I get a list of the offical repositories? |
| 00:38.18 | craigevil | !sources.list |
| 00:38.18 | pmpbook | I just looked at this page http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
| 00:38.19 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 00:38.21 | pmpbook | ok |
| 00:38.23 | pmpbook | thanks |
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| 00:40.44 | craigevil | pmpbook, take a look at https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home |
| 00:41.07 | pmpbook | Thanks, ill bookmark that |
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| 00:41.55 | madsci44 | I figured out answer to my own question: "tasksel --task-packages standard" outputs ~pstandard, ~prequired, ~pimportant - I then realized I can list these via "aptitude search ~pimportant" for example.. incase anyone else is wondering |
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| 00:44.30 | pmpbook | So I added those two to my sources but apt can't find libcv-dev |
| 00:44.42 | pmpbook | Anything else I should do craigevil? |
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| 00:45.31 | craigevil | pmpbook, did you do apt-get update |
| 00:46.10 | pmpbook | that would be smart... |
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| 00:49.51 | pmpbook | thanks a lot craigevil |
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| 01:08.15 | sanitypassing | Hi, Debian is telling me it can't find libz.so.1, but I know for a fact it's installed in /usr/lib. Can anyone tell me what's going on? |
| 01:09.11 | Big_Brother | maybe it's looking for it in a different place? |
| 01:09.34 | sanitypassing | Where else could it look? |
| 01:10.52 | simonlnu | !multiarch |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 01:10.56 | Big_Brother | sanitypassing: everywhere. it could be a specific thing in /usr/lib/. |
| 01:11.26 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 01:13.29 | sanitypassing | is there anything at all I can do to try to fix this? |
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| 01:14.43 | Big_Brother | sanitypassing: look at the error. |
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| 01:15.11 | sanitypassing | it just says error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. |
| 01:15.16 | sanitypassing | but the file is there. |
| 01:16.03 | Big_Brother | what program is trying to load it? |
| 01:16.25 | sanitypassing | Just a program off Github someone posted about on reddit. |
| 01:16.51 | sanitypassing | Mixologist, or something like that. Friend wanted me to try it. |
| 01:17.20 | Arafangion | sanitypassing: You mean, you compiled it? |
| 01:17.26 | craigevil | try reinstalling zlib1g, and/or lib64z1 if you are on amd64 |
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| 01:18.09 | sanitypassing | Can't locate lib64z1. |
| 01:18.14 | craigevil | apt-file search libz.so.1 |
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| 01:18.28 | sanitypassing | command not found. |
| 01:18.35 | craigevil | will show what provides that lib |
| 01:18.43 | simonlnu | install it |
| 01:18.54 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
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| 01:20.45 | rednovae | i'm having trouble getting a process to coredump |
| 01:20.50 | rednovae | i've set ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 01:21.19 | sanitypassing | Ah, apt-file found the correct package. installing it fixed the error. Thank you. |
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| 01:33.57 | xispirito | k9copy, acirip and so on...are o debian-multimedia? |
| 01:34.02 | xispirito | #acidrip |
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| 01:35.57 | craigevil | xispirito, not acidrip, but other apps like dvdrip, lxdvdrip, |
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| 01:36.33 | xispirito | ok |
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| 01:40.04 | kdawg | me wonders whats going on the debian repository |
| 01:40.14 | kdawg | cant install anything on debian |
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| 01:42.36 | AeonImperium | anyone on here know how to get truecrypt to mount a file |
| 01:43.00 | AeonImperium | i got the gui running but it wont let me mount a drive even with admin |
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| 01:47.49 | kdawg | debian depositories down for maintenance? |
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| 01:48.52 | madsci44 | working on my install so far - maybe your mirror ? |
| 01:49.36 | kdawg | what debian you on madsci44 |
| 01:49.46 | kdawg | lenny or squezze |
| 01:50.00 | madsci44 | squeeze and sid |
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| 01:50.22 | madsci44 | the heading in the channeld says "lenny no longer on mirrors" - could that be it? |
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| 01:52.06 | kdawg | yeah i guess |
| 01:52.14 | kdawg | but i am not sure |
| 01:52.23 | kdawg | i'll just reinall the server with squeeze |
| 01:52.27 | kdawg | and hope i have no issues |
| 01:52.28 | kdawg | lol |
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| 01:52.43 | kdawg | i just reinstalled the server |
| 01:52.44 | kdawg | lol |
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| 01:55.20 | madsci44 | welcome to the future of the year before last ;) |
| 01:56.10 | kdawg | reinstalling it with vmware this time |
| 01:56.14 | kdawg | esxi 4.1 |
| 01:56.20 | kdawg | there is one small issue with that |
| 01:56.31 | kdawg | I've actually never used it before |
| 01:56.51 | kdawg | going to be a noob again |
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| 01:57.17 | Arafangion | The horror! |
| 01:57.56 | madsci44 | I get re-noobifyed every month or so |
| 01:58.16 | kdawg | haha |
| 01:58.20 | kdawg | nice |
| 01:58.31 | kdawg | anyone here any pointers with vmware? |
| 01:58.44 | kdawg | considering i want to use it to install multiple os's |
| 01:58.45 | Arafangion | kdawg: Mine would be: "Have lots of RAM". |
| 01:59.00 | kdawg | 16gig |
| 01:59.19 | Arafangion | Why VMware, incidentally? |
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| 01:59.54 | kdawg | been a year or so but i remember for virtualizationo software i here vmware is the best over zenserver |
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| 02:00.02 | kdawg | hear* |
| 02:00.18 | kdawg | many good points were listed but my stoner memory cant recall it |
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| 02:04.25 | kdawg | Arafangion why you ask me that |
| 02:04.37 | kdawg | there must be some basis to you asking that question |
| 02:05.25 | Arafangion | kdawg: There are multiple good alternatives. |
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| 02:05.52 | Arafangion | kdawg: For a windows host and a windows guest, however, vmware is the clear leader, but beyond that, I think it's less clear-cut. |
| 02:06.36 | kdawg | vmware was also one of the things that was available in the auto set up tool via ovh |
| 02:07.02 | kdawg | mananger app for reinstalling with os |
| 02:07.24 | kdawg | although here was a big list of windows/linux servers a few bsd ones |
| 02:07.48 | Arafangion | kdawg: Well, I usually use Parallels, but that betrays my Mac OS X use. |
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| 02:08.21 | kdawg | oic |
| 02:08.27 | Arafangion | kdawg: I found that Parallels had better 3D acceleration in the Guest. |
| 02:08.28 | kdawg | not sure whats better at this stand point |
| 02:08.51 | Arafangion | kdawg: I've heard good things about KVM, as well. |
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| 02:11.54 | kdawg | kvm switch i use for monitors at home |
| 02:12.20 | kdawg | but the server that i am using the virtulization technology on is located in a datacenter |
| 02:12.23 | Arafangion | kdawg: KVM as in, the VM technology that's been built into the linux kernel for a while. |
| 02:12.30 | madsci44 | Kernel Virtual Machine |
| 02:12.40 | kdawg | oic |
| 02:12.46 | Arafangion | kdawg: Ah, THAT's why you use VMware. :) |
| 02:12.51 | kdawg | i'm a bit of a linux noob i suppose |
| 02:13.07 | kdawg | well i've been using it for quit some time |
| 02:13.14 | kdawg | but i only really no how to do a few things |
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| 02:15.49 | jwayne | so before I look for hours, is there a way to add sources (let's say in /opt) to a live-build, or only deb packages can be added? |
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| 02:17.08 | Arafangion | is also interested. |
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| 02:24.28 | jwayne | nvm wasnt too hard to find in the manual |
| 02:24.53 | Arafangion | jwayne: The dpkg man page? |
| 02:24.55 | jwayne | Arafangion: possible, see manual |
| 02:25.07 | jwayne | live-build's manual |
| 02:25.26 | Arafangion | Ah, interesting - thanks. |
| 02:25.34 | jwayne | I just looked it up online or the live-manual-html would work too |
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| 02:34.17 | Arafangion | returns to researching his dream machine. |
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| 02:34.59 | Arafangion | What's the AMD HD 7970 like? I've heard that AMD has become much nicer with drivers as of recent years? |
| 02:35.22 | dvs | much too new for Debian |
| 02:35.38 | Arafangion | I'm willing to recompile the kernel. |
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| 02:36.17 | dvs | I doubt that the firmware is in the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
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| 02:36.38 | Arafangion | Ah, so it'll be a bit of work for a while yet. |
| 02:37.02 | Arafangion | I'll reuse my current, bottom-end nvidia in the meantime. |
| 02:37.53 | dvs | The 6000 series is probably still available |
| 02:38.18 | Arafangion | The HD 7970 is attractive because of it's low standby power requirements. |
| 02:38.38 | Arafangion | And yet it's very fast, and it has applications for mining. |
| 02:38.42 | dvs | never liked the double-wide video cards |
| 02:39.21 | gnarface | Arafangion: your news is old. AMD has become munch nicer but only on paper. (they've promised all kinds of shit to the press, but its all vapor thus far) |
| 02:39.39 | Arafangion | Hmm, that sucks. |
| 02:39.51 | gnarface | Arafangion: ATI before them *had* briefly become quite open-source-friendly, but that was like, 2001-2003 |
| 02:39.53 | Arafangion | So NVidia still rules the roost? |
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| 02:40.41 | gnarface | Arafangion: not necessarily, but with both lines of cards you'll need their latest proprietary driver and to make extra sure you didn't buy one of those stupid "hybrid" graphics laptops - then you're in all kinds of trouble |
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| 02:41.11 | gnarface | Arafangion: that is unless you don't do any 3d at all and only care about basic 2d functionality - then the open source drivers are often sufficient |
| 02:41.42 | gnarface | Arafangion: or, unless you have one of those radeon cards from 2001-2003 that *is* actually supported *better* by the open source radeon driver than AMD/ATI's latest |
| 02:41.48 | Arafangion | gnarface: I've often wondered how the heck those hybrid laptops work with linux and Xorg in particular, but no, this is for a new desktop system I'm researching. |
| 02:42.08 | gnarface | Arafangion: badly in general, but from what i've heard not much better on windows either |
| 02:42.29 | gnarface | Arafangion: the drivers will catch up, but i'd give it the rest of the year |
| 02:42.34 | Arafangion | Curious, last time I saw those laptops, they worked OK. |
| 02:42.38 | Arafangion | On windows, that is. |
| 02:43.00 | gnarface | Arafangion: yea, now try to install latest catalyst driver on one and then play Rage (by Id software) |
| 02:43.11 | gnarface | chances are if its an ATI 4000 series, you won't |
| 02:43.18 | Arafangion | Well, I can easily wait a year before I upgrade teh graphics card, the HD 7970's are very expensive at the moment. |
| 02:43.23 | gnarface | unless you buy a full copy of windows that is |
| 02:43.48 | Arafangion | I've been wondering about that - if video performance is important, it might be worth installing windows? :( |
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| 02:45.41 | madsci44 | I run ATI and the xorg drivers have worked quite well for me - I never install proprietaries |
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| 02:45.51 | Arafangion | madsci44: WHich card, though? |
| 02:46.12 | Arafangion | That was the other annoyance I had with AMD... Every card ws so different. |
| 02:46.16 | madsci44 | 9880's, 9685, (if i remember the numbers correctly) |
| 02:46.50 | gnarface | Arafangion: really if you're not gaming, there's a strong chance you won't even know the difference. most people really don't examine computer performance in detail |
| 02:46.51 | dvs | is running an HD4200 right now |
| 02:46.54 | madsci44 | I ran a HD4000 before that |
| 02:47.44 | Arafangion | gnarface: I'm more interested in taking advantage of the graphics units on that, really. |
| 02:47.56 | madsci44 | there was a buggy period about a year ago which passed. they had the two radeon drivers for xorg at the time and the older was being phased out |
| 02:48.00 | Arafangion | gnarface: I,e for parallel computing. |
| 02:48.13 | gnarface | Arafangion: that is driver agnostic, no? |
| 02:48.19 | Arafangion | gnarface: I don't know. |
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| 02:49.01 | Arafangion | gnarface: If I was able to use an NVidia graphics card for my graphics... And the computation on ATI, I'd be in heaven. |
| 02:49.25 | Arafangion | gnarface: (Actually, no, heaven would be to have a flawless ATI experience, but...) |
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| 02:54.32 | gnarface | Arafangion: i'm pretty sure that the former is possible... the latter, eh, i wouldn't hold your breath |
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| 02:55.41 | Arafangion | gnarface: Then that'll probably be a viable approach to investigate, I see that nouveau is stabalising. |
| 02:55.53 | dagerik | I tried to compile a kernel and got this error msg: http://folk.ntnu.no/dageriv/images/s.png Problem? |
| 02:56.16 | Arafangion | dagerik: Next time, print that out and put it on a wooden table. |
| 02:57.04 | Arafangion | dagerik: And yes, that indicates a problem, how did you compile it anyway? |
| 02:57.11 | dagerik | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 02:57.33 | dagerik | wget-ed from kernel.org |
| 02:57.52 | Arafangion | hasn't done the fakeroot approach with kernels yet. |
| 02:58.28 | Arafangion | gnarface: I'll focus my energies on other aspects of the system, the optimum computing gear is very confusing to navigate these days. |
| 02:58.43 | Arafangion | gnarface: I've recently learned that Xeon cpu's are essentially the same as i7's. |
| 02:59.08 | gnarface | Arafangion: some xeons are. there are lots of types of xeon. |
| 02:59.21 | Arafangion | That's also what's confusing me, but I'm specifically referring to the E5's. |
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| 03:00.13 | Arafangion | I've currently chosen the i7 3820 (3.6GHz) CPU. |
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| 03:00.40 | Arafangion | Which is probably the fastest CPU I can get without spending buckets of cash. |
| 03:01.14 | gnarface | Arafangion: i can tell you for certain that the nvidia GTX560 Ti works well if you know how to configure Xorg, and is cheap |
| 03:01.34 | gnarface | Arafangion: i can also tell you don't expect to be able to do SLI |
| 03:01.44 | gnarface | Arafangion: or "hybrid-sli" |
| 03:02.07 | gnarface | Arafangion: everything else is pretty solid |
| 03:02.19 | Arafangion | I'll, at most, be putting in one NVidia, and one ATI, but in the short term, I'll likely reuse my existing NVidia, and later, possibly use that ATI card. |
| 03:02.42 | kdawg | looks like vmware has a limit to what it can make the hard disc space for the virtual os's |
| 03:03.23 | Arafangion | kdawg: Wouldn't surprise me. |
| 03:03.39 | kdawg | also |
| 03:03.52 | kdawg | i am still unaware how to actually install an os on it |
| 03:06.17 | Arafangion | kdawg: I wouldn't say that too loudly, and just do more reading instead. ;) |
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| 03:07.42 | kdawg | I am a bit more trial an error |
| 03:07.52 | kdawg | going to get me a debian iso |
| 03:07.54 | kdawg | hang on |
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| 03:11.42 | kdawg | umm looking here it looks like there is 52 cds for one install |
| 03:11.43 | kdawg | Dear Kai, |
| 03:11.43 | kdawg | Welcome to My VMware! |
| 03:11.43 | kdawg | This message confirms that the following user profile was successfully created: |
| 03:11.43 | kdawg | Email: kdawg@kdawg.org |
| 03:11.43 | kdawg | Customer Number (CN): 1626677256 |
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| 03:12.13 | kdawg | oobs |
| 03:12.18 | kdawg | thats nto what i meant to paste |
| 03:12.30 | Arafangion | kdawg: Consider a netinst CD. |
| 03:12.30 | kdawg | just a url |
| 03:12.39 | Arafangion | kdawg: Alternatively, just get teh first CD. |
| 03:12.42 | kdawg | think thats what i did last time |
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| 03:13.04 | kdawg | i don't need one with a gui |
| 03:14.09 | dvs | kdawg: Then don't select "Desktop Environment" during the install |
| 03:14.28 | kdawg | yeah i new that |
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| 03:14.55 | kdawg | but i thought there used to be an install cd with just the base install versions |
| 03:15.12 | dvs | That would be netinst |
| 03:15.18 | madsci44 | netboot works excellent off a pxe server, netinst for booting from usb media |
| 03:15.34 | Arafangion | madsci44: Or CD's. |
| 03:16.17 | madsci44 | oh, yeah probably that too - I havent had to burn any for a long time now :) |
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| 03:16.44 | Arafangion | madsci44: You generally don't, in either case, with vmware. :) |
| 03:17.52 | madsci44 | i got so sick of cd/dvd's a long time ago I avoid them like crazy |
| 03:18.07 | ectospasm | madsci44: I agree, they're (mostly) worthless. |
| 03:18.30 | madsci44 | if it wasnt for the movie industry I bet they wouldnt exist |
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| 03:18.47 | Arafangion | Yeah, the only reason I'm going to get an optical drive, at all, is for DVD movies. |
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| 03:20.36 | madsci44 | least now I know it wasn't just me - lol |
| 03:22.11 | Arafangion | returns to attempting to investigate how he should get a cheaper system. |
| 03:22.43 | Arafangion | This will cost $1316 as it stands: http://pastebin.com/05U01kap |
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| 03:22.55 | Arafangion | Wondering if I can get that down to $1000 with a minimum of sacrifice. |
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| 03:24.26 | kdawg | i spent way to much money on my gaming rig |
| 03:24.43 | Arafangion | kdawg: This will effectively become my home workstation. |
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| 03:24.56 | Arafangion | For the next 4 or 6 years. |
| 03:25.10 | madsci44 | famous last words |
| 03:25.26 | madsci44 | (heeh) |
| 03:25.27 | Arafangion | madsci44: I once used a desktop for 8 years. |
| 03:25.58 | Arafangion | madsci44: I use them until they break. :) This one, however, is still working, but I obsessed too much with x86 compatibility and low wattage. ;) |
| 03:25.59 | madsci44 | I generally did the same but lately seems more difficult |
| 03:26.11 | Arafangion | How so? |
| 03:26.53 | madsci44 | well in the semi-old days pc100 was standard for a long time - sockets were around longer, drive interfaces etc.. |
| 03:27.16 | Arafangion | madsci44: You can still get second hand parts. |
| 03:27.34 | madsci44 | i still have my old machine from like 1998 - one of my first permanent debian boxes |
| 03:27.38 | Arafangion | madsci44: I think 4 years is reasonable, 8 years /might/ be possible, but I do personally doubt it. |
| 03:27.47 | Arafangion | Today, that is. |
| 03:28.46 | madsci44 | its definitely reasonable |
| 03:29.14 | kdawg | sweeet i figuring some shit out with vmware |
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| 03:31.40 | kdawg | currently installing debian squeez |
| 03:31.43 | kdawg | e ;p; |
| 03:31.45 | kdawg | lol |
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| 03:32.23 | madsci44 | everytime i see that name i think of orange juice... |
| 03:32.38 | madsci44 | maybe i have a vitC deficiency |
| 03:33.04 | kdawg | haha |
| 03:33.06 | kdawg | nice |
| 03:33.14 | madsci44 | ill have to quit smoking before wheezy comes out |
| 03:33.24 | kdawg | haha |
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| 03:33.36 | kdawg | speaking of smokin i need a smoke |
| 03:33.54 | Arafangion | is disgusted with the amount of dust his vacuum cleaner picked up. |
| 03:34.41 | kdawg | Virtual Machine Size cant be more then 256 gigs |
| 03:34.58 | Arafangion | kdawg: No reason you'd want one that big, anyway. |
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| 03:36.42 | Arafangion | kdawg: If you want one that big, you really want a SAN. |
| 03:37.06 | Arafangion | Or a dedicated HDD for that VM, but I personally wouldn't trust a windows host with tha.t |
| 03:37.08 | Arafangion | *that. |
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| 03:41.08 | ectospasm | madsci44: it's funny... I only keep an optical drive for ripping (BD and DVD)... and the occasional audio CD (for the fiance) |
| 03:41.40 | ectospasm | ...but the CDs for the fiance are a formality. She just accesses my share via SFTP (WinSCP) |
| 03:42.03 | Arafangion | I really should rip my DVD collection, but I don't know if that's legal. |
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| 03:42.13 | Arafangion | Perhaps it is, under "format shifting" laws. |
| 03:42.35 | madsci44 | yikes |
| 03:42.56 | madsci44 | i figure what i do in the privacy of my own cave with my own belongings is legal enough |
| 03:43.12 | Arafangion | madsci44: That's rarely the case. |
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| 03:43.25 | Arafangion | madsci44: An extreme example would be bomb manufacture. ;) |
| 03:44.00 | Arafangion | I plan to do a hackintosh, though, so things will become grey soon. |
| 03:44.42 | madsci44 | well i dont see how they could have ipods and mp3 players if "format shifting" was illegal... but yeah, grey i guess |
| 03:45.06 | Arafangion | madsci44: It was illegal, you had to buy the mp3's before. |
| 03:45.13 | Arafangion | madsci44: In the US, however, it was legal under 'fair use'. |
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| 03:45.56 | madsci44 | it was legal here in canada too |
| 03:46.14 | Arafangion | Australia needed a specific law to make it legal, due to a very strict copyright law. |
| 03:46.38 | madsci44 | they recently brought the canadian version of sopa through though - so now who knows - but i dont think it would stand challenge |
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| 03:47.49 | Arafangion | madsci44: Facebook is interested in some new version of that, so it sounds like some form of SOPA will indeed pass. :( |
| 03:48.18 | madsci44 | i blocked facebook in all my gateways :) |
| 03:48.54 | Arafangion | madsci44: Evil. :) |
| 03:49.03 | madsci44 | lol |
| 03:49.50 | Arafangion | madsci44: People at your place might actually get work done, though. :) |
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| 03:50.05 | Arafangion | is still dreaming of his dream machien. |
| 03:50.18 | madsci44 | thats part of the theory :) I dont have cable for that reason either |
| 03:50.22 | kdawg | the canadian version past |
| 03:50.22 | Arafangion | I'm tempted to get a mac, but it won't be as powerful, or as cheap. |
| 03:50.25 | kdawg | i heard it didn't |
| 03:50.44 | Arafangion | madsci44: I can still get facebook on my mobile, but I don't waste as much time on it. |
| 03:51.07 | Arafangion | madsci44: I'm in an awkward position, though - I use social media a lot, but I don't actually spend much work time on it. |
| 03:51.15 | Arafangion | madsci44: Compiles still take most of my time! |
| 03:51.23 | kdawg | googling what the l LVM means |
| 03:51.25 | Arafangion | (I mean, unit test execution) |
| 03:51.29 | kdawg | camt remember |
| 03:51.41 | Arafangion | kdawg: llvm? How is that relevant? |
| 03:51.45 | cantido | kdawg: logical volume manager? |
| 03:51.58 | kdawg | its from the debian installer about disc space |
| 03:52.20 | kdawg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
| 03:52.20 | Arafangion | kdawg: I wouldn't bother much with that. |
| 03:52.23 | kdawg | guessing its this |
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| 03:52.41 | cantido | kdawg: yes that's it.. if you don't know what it is you don't need it :) |
| 03:52.45 | Arafangion | kdawg: Your VMware instance already provides an abstraction, after a fashion. |
| 03:53.01 | madsci44 | its good if your requirements are likely to change and you need to be able to resize without redoing everything |
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| 03:53.17 | Arafangion | Even then, it's not a big deal to reshuffle everything. |
| 03:53.17 | madsci44 | if your requirements are reasonably fixed then its overhead |
| 03:53.30 | Arafangion | Automatic striping is nice, though. |
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| 03:53.52 | kdawg | yeah not comfortable enough with linux and such to do automatic scripting lol |
| 03:54.07 | madsci44 | with being able to throw or exchange volumes on mount points its not a big deal though |
| 03:54.08 | kdawg | ut i did some irc scripting over 10 years ago |
| 03:54.14 | kdawg | but only using mIRC |
| 03:54.15 | kdawg | lol |
| 03:54.16 | Arafangion | kdawg: Nobody mentioned scripting. |
| 03:54.25 | Arafangion | madsci44: Indeed. |
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| 03:54.27 | kdawg | striping |
| 03:54.28 | kdawg | obbs |
| 03:54.44 | kdawg | i miss read it |
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| 03:55.14 | Arafangion | kdawg: Enter is not punctuation. |
| 03:55.56 | kdawg | sorry i type as my head thinks |
| 03:56.03 | kdawg | slower then some people |
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| 03:56.06 | cantido | What does rred do when apt-get is updating sources? is it to do with the diffs? |
| 03:56.22 | cantido | kdawg: think, type, then press enter? |
| 03:56.59 | cantido | has a client that writes all his messages in skype in lines of 3 words max.. |
| 03:57.01 | kdawg | well first thing that came to mind was striping when i read it then i hit enter lol. |
| 03:57.50 | kdawg | But yeah for you guys i will try hard not to make so many short sentences i'll just ramble a lil here but you no its not a short message. |
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| 03:58.39 | madsci44 | i have to mind myself of the same habit kdawg - no idea where it comes from |
| 03:58.47 | cantido | has been waiting for at least 20 minutes for apt-get update to finish :( |
| 03:59.21 | Arafangion | madsci44: Probably SMS'ing, where responses were limited to 160 characters. |
| 03:59.59 | Arafangion | wonders if his desk can cope with the new computer. |
| 04:00.09 | cantido | madsci44: I think some people do it because they think you'll get distracted while they write the full sentence(s) |
| 04:01.15 | madsci44 | I always think of something after I press enter and instinct is to just type. its good practice to make me think BEFORE i hit enter though. perhaps it will help maintain my attention span :) |
| 04:02.50 | madsci44 | actually cantido - thats a good point - sort of like keepalive while your getting a longer point out - thats true. |
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| 04:08.47 | kdawg | sry my white ass is cookin in the kitchen |
| 04:08.52 | kdawg | thats one thing i no i am good at lol |
| 04:09.27 | ectospasm | cookin' ain't hard... for me it's a motivation thing. |
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| 04:09.35 | cantido | <insert reply along the lines of "sweet bro" here> |
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| 04:10.27 | cantido | is there any way to stop apt-get/aptitude trying to use ipv6? |
| 04:10.34 | madsci44 | cooking and eating is what i do when im waiting for downloads - or compiles. |
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| 04:11.48 | madsci44 | apt-cacher-ng is such a great concept - but it always gets stuck on files here an there. |
| 04:12.34 | cantido | all my machines are different archs, so caching doesn't really help much |
| 04:13.02 | madsci44 | I use it to conserve download bandwidth - we rural canadians pay through the nose for it. |
| 04:13.41 | cantido | I would save maybe a few meg for -all packages |
| 04:14.34 | madsci44 | I just completed about a gig download - ill be installing the same arch maybe six more times tomorrow so it will pay off in my case |
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| 04:15.23 | cantido | damn, everything thinks it can use ipv6 .. :/ |
| 04:15.47 | Arafangion | In american english, does "Groceries" mean "Anything you get from the supermarket", or just "Food stuffs"? |
| 04:16.18 | madsci44 | umm? mostly foodstuffs you get from the supermarket i think |
| 04:17.04 | sheep | Usually it refers to any consumable thing bought at a sueprmarket |
| 04:17.12 | Arafangion | Hmm, that's what I thought. |
| 04:17.24 | sheep | this also includes things like paper towels, toilet paper, soap, shampoo, and beer |
| 04:17.29 | Dagger2 | cantido: do you have anything in `ip -6 r` other than lines that begin with fe80::? |
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| 04:17.38 | madsci44 | definitely beer. |
| 04:18.24 | Arafangion | sheep: Curious definition of 'consumables'. |
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| 04:18.45 | sheep | Arafangion: well they're things used in the home that eventually have to be replaced |
| 04:19.07 | madsci44 | i.e. coffee filters |
| 04:19.12 | sheep | plus there are food-related things like cooking spray and baking powder, which shouldn't be eaten on their own |
| 04:19.17 | cantido | Dagger2: yeah, I apparently have some global addresses |
| 04:19.34 | ectospasm | consumable items... eggses... light bulbs... HDDs... |
| 04:19.52 | Arafangion | Fair enough. |
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| 04:20.12 | Dagger2 | cantido: you should fix your connectivity then, or remove the addresses |
| 04:20.19 | cantido | Arafangion: I think there's a book that explains this stuff.. Oxford English Dictionary rings a bell |
| 04:20.33 | ectospasm | pshaw... dictd is all you need |
| 04:20.39 | cantido | Dagger2: I think it's coming from the ISP.. only happening since I moved house yesterday |
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| 04:20.48 | Dagger2 | cantido: do you mind pastebinning `ifconfig`? I may be able to tell you something about the addresses |
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| 04:21.28 | Arafangion | cantido: That's british, though, isn't it? |
| 04:21.57 | cantido | Dagger2: http://pastebin.com/7SyqKcf1 |
| 04:22.14 | cantido | Arafangion: they have differences between american and british english noted... and they cover both |
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| 04:22.31 | Arafangion | Nice. |
| 04:22.34 | Arafangion | I should get one. |
| 04:24.01 | cantido | Dagger2: I have ipv6 setup on a box in the outside world and it can't connect to any of these addresses I've been getting on my machines since yesterday |
| 04:24.05 | ectospasm | I gave my grandfather my "pocket" OED a few years ago... I'm glad he found use for it. |
| 04:25.25 | madsci44 | oh god i forgot to check for pulseaudio - please dont install pulseaudio |
| 04:25.34 | Riviera | the pocket was the one with the 9 pages per page and the lense? :) |
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| 04:26.44 | Dagger2 | cantido: agreed, I can't reach it either. I can tell you you're getting it because of something your home router is doing. if it has a "send RAs" or "send Routing Advertisments" option or anything mentioning SLAAC, you might want to turn that off |
| 04:27.57 | cantido | Dagger2: according to the stuff I read online.. NTT uses ipv6 between you and your isp .. and then you get a public ipv4 address from them.. I guessed it was something to do with their use of ipv6 |
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| 04:28.32 | Dagger2 | cantido: and if not, you can set Linux to ignore them by setting /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/accept_ra = 0 |
| 04:28.57 | kdawg | anyone on the install ever had issues configure apt-mirror |
| 04:29.02 | kdawg | debian? |
| 04:29.06 | cantido | Dagger2: as far as I know the router has zero ipv6 support :/ |
| 04:29.17 | kdawg | tried like 8 mirrors none connect |
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| 04:29.56 | madsci44 | are you going through a proxy or something? |
| 04:30.01 | kdawg | nope |
| 04:30.14 | kdawg | unless vmware setup a proxy i dont no about |
| 04:30.15 | madsci44 | switch to a terminal console and try pinging |
| 04:30.26 | madsci44 | did your network autoconfiguration succeed? |
| 04:30.35 | kdawg | nope |
| 04:30.51 | kdawg | had to manually put in the subnet mask and ip and such |
| 04:31.06 | Dagger2 | cantido: do you have a link for that? it sounds... strange but not impossible that they'd do it that way, but even if they do it shouldn't result in your computers getting v6 addresses, since it should be between your router and the ISP, and not have anything to do with the LAN |
| 04:31.11 | madsci44 | that would have to work before you could reach a mirror - if you did manually then check it from a terminal console |
| 04:31.32 | cantido | Dagger2: it's all in Japanese.. |
| 04:31.58 | madsci44 | (like ctrl-alt-f1 to switch, enter to get a prompt, ping www.mirror.org(or whatever) ) |
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| 04:33.48 | Dagger2 | cantido: which I can read... somewhat |
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| 04:34.24 | cantido | I'll try and find the page again.. |
| 04:34.38 | kdawg | i'll have to ping mirror from my home pc |
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| 04:35.07 | madsci44 | I guess just ping anyting to see if you have a connection |
| 04:35.24 | kdawg | pings fine from here |
| 04:35.25 | madsci44 | (from the installer console ) |
| 04:35.49 | kdawg | doesn't working i am using vsphere |
| 04:35.51 | kdawg | client |
| 04:35.51 | Dagger2 | cantido: thanks... this isn't the first time I've encounted NTT + broken IPv6, and I'm curious about what's up with it |
| 04:35.54 | kdawg | to connect to cmware |
| 04:36.10 | kdawg | vmware* |
| 04:36.21 | cantido | Dagger2: http://flets-w.com/hikari-p/ryuuijikou/pppoe/ -- not the same page, but similar |
| 04:36.23 | madsci44 | ..and the installer is running within the vmware client? |
| 04:37.00 | cantido | Dagger2: getting it to even work yesterday was painful |
| 04:37.04 | cantido | hates moving house |
| 04:37.23 | madsci44 | im not familliar with vmware unfortuantely - maybe its not passing network connectivity to your installation session |
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| 04:37.52 | kdawg | weird |
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| 04:39.38 | bobweaver | Does anyone know if there is a tool to take a read out of dpkg-query -list then filter down add comments for a .deb the control file ? yes have read the manual. but no I do not have it all down yet |
| 04:39.56 | bobweaver | s|comments|commas |
| 04:44.12 | Dagger2 | cantido: doh, the most interesting part is in an image... and I can read approximately ten kanji without a romanizer :( |
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| 04:46.01 | cantido | Dagger2: rikaikun or rikaichan are good.. still it's all crazy techno japanese |
| 04:46.44 | cantido | Dagger2: I think the basic point is that your ISP sites on the other side of NTT's network.. Their windows install CD seems to do all of the magic to setup up the link |
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| 04:47.29 | cantido | Yesterday I couldn't get the ISP side working, so I just got the wife to run the windows CD.. once that worked I chucked the isp username and password into the router and it just worked :) |
| 04:49.43 | madsci44 | what apache engine is best to run on a local install together with php and mysql? I keep getting conflicts with mpm-worker and dependancies of elements related to php or mysql components |
| 04:50.15 | cantido | madsci44: if you're only running a little site, look at lighttpd with php via fastcgi :) |
| 04:50.32 | cantido | madsci44: modphp conflicts with mpm-worker because it doesnt work IIRC |
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| 04:51.01 | madsci44 | its an experimental site I test things before I beam to a production server - so I prefer to run apache to minimize possible differences |
| 04:51.45 | Dagger2 | cantido: that makes some sense. effectively both you and your ISP connect to NTT's private network, and then you tunnel to the ISP with PPPoE. and if the network is private, there's no reason it has to be v4 |
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| 04:53.09 | cantido | Dagger2: yeah, there seems to be an interface for the CTU or whatever thing to set it all up.. the windows CD seemed to do all that though, you could see it creating a PPP interface with the NTT login details, then once it had the ISP details it deleted and creating another one with the ISPs stuff instead |
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| 04:53.56 | Dagger2 | cantido: but then a) your router would need to do PPPoE over v6 (unlikely here in the UK, but maybe they do that over there because of NTT?) and b) there's no reason for you to be getting v6 addresses on your own network if that was all that was going on |
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| 04:54.35 | cantido | Dagger2: no idea.. the router is a US one I picked up over there. So it has zero ipv6 support from what I can tell |
| 04:55.05 | cantido | Dagger2: I have wireshark running now though, maybe something interesting will pop up |
| 04:55.21 | cantido | notes that UK isps all suck ass |
| 04:55.35 | Dagger2 | cantido: strange. the address has ff:fe in it, so it must be coming from SLAAC... which means something must be sending RAs |
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| 04:55.46 | madsci44 | wonders if they are worse than canada isps |
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| 04:56.14 | Dagger2 | cantido: you could try rdisc6 or radvdump to see if you're getting RAs/see what they say |
| 04:56.23 | cantido | Dagger2: I don't have much grip on IPv6 .. I'll try that |
| 04:56.44 | cantido | madsci44: imagine having a 100mb/s connection, but getting throttled for using it |
| 04:56.45 | Dagger2 | cantido: they don't _all_ suck. Andrews & Arnold are decent |
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| 04:57.18 | cantido | Dagger2: I had virgin media, plusnet etc.. demon on 56k was still the best :) |
| 04:57.27 | Dagger2 | cantido: but then they use BT DSL lines, so there's always that looming over your connection |
| 04:58.07 | kdawg | debian require dhcp? |
| 04:58.14 | cantido | kdawg: no |
| 04:58.27 | madsci44 | cantido: thats exactly what they do here too |
| 04:58.49 | cantido | madsci44: the internet sucks everywhere except here then :) |
| 04:59.06 | madsci44 | lol |
| 04:59.22 | kdawg | umm |
| 04:59.35 | kdawg | getting this thing to connect to mirros might be hard |
| 05:00.23 | madsci44 | maybe you need to run a driver for it to get through the vmware? (probably my wild guessing is not helpful. ) |
| 05:01.32 | cantido | Dagger2: with rdisc6, from is the router that is giving your interface an address? |
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| 05:02.23 | Dagger2 | cantido: yeah. should say "from fe80::<modified MAC address>" |
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| 05:02.41 | cantido | yeah |
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| 05:02.54 | cantido | wonders if this is the misses' laptop |
| 05:03.53 | Dagger2 | in fact it says "source link-layer address" on the line above, so no need to do the conversion back yourself |
| 05:04.42 | cantido | Dagger2: mac address isn't from any of the machines on the network :/ |
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| 05:06.33 | cantido | mac address is for something made by "ALAXALA Networks Corporation" apparently :) |
| 05:06.46 | cantido | which seems to be a Japanese switch/router maker |
| 05:06.55 | kdawg | asking in vmware channel now |
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| 05:09.25 | madsci44 | kdawg: is there a setting for NAT in your vmware properties for the linux machine? |
| 05:09.31 | Dagger2 | cantido: it must be something reachable on your local LAN (although if your router is bridging your LAN to its upstream connection, that might be a machine in another building...) |
| 05:11.17 | kdawg | i don't think so |
| 05:13.08 | Dagger2 | cantido: can you pastebin `ip neigh`? |
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| 05:16.39 | ayaka | does ssh-copy-id not support sepcific port? |
| 05:16.53 | cantido | Dagger2: that's from a different machine than the last paste btw |
| 05:19.13 | Dagger2 | cantido: got it. fair enough on not wanting all your MACs public |
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| 05:21.18 | Dagger2 | cantido: I guess either .2.1 or .2.254 are your v4 default gateway, neither of which share a MAC address with the v6 gateway, so it must be something else sending them |
| 05:22.46 | cantido | Dagger2: .2.1 is the main gateway to the internet |
| 05:23.11 | cantido | .2.254 is this machine, not sure why it would be in there :/ |
| 05:23.46 | cantido | ah, that's list of neighbors |
| 05:23.52 | cantido | read the manpage |
| 05:24.03 | Dagger2 | I guess you could try `ping6 fe80::212:e2ff:fe70:a1c4%eth0` (or %br0), if it takes more than 1ms to reply it's probably something outside your house/apartment |
| 05:24.48 | Dagger2 | beyond that... I have no idea what it is. but it's definitely broken, because it's advertising addresses that are unreachable from the internet :( |
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| 05:25.11 | cantido | Dagger2: no reply comes :/ |
| 05:26.27 | madsci44 | kdawg: the top answer in this post might be relevant to you : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/175876/how-do-i-fix-my-vms-network-connection-if-it-seems-to-be-running-ok-from-the-ho |
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| 05:27.55 | kdawg | i'll take a look at that |
| 05:28.01 | kdawg | i think i may have solved that problem |
| 05:28.04 | kdawg | now i have a new one |
| 05:28.05 | kdawg | lol |
| 05:28.21 | madsci44 | lol i was about to say "oh good!" |
| 05:29.00 | Dagger2 | cantido: le sigh. looks like you might be stuck with setting accept_ra = 0 on everything |
| 05:30.02 | cantido | Dagger2: it doesn't seem to be breaking anything yet, just makes connecting to anything that does have ipv6 setup take a lot longer |
| 05:30.32 | Dagger2 | cantido: that's what I call broken :) |
| 05:30.44 | cantido | I can live with it for now :) |
| 05:31.15 | cantido | once I have some of my pile of machines all nicely racked up I'll fix the network ;) |
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| 05:32.01 | cantido | might do some more reading about ipv6 in the meantime |
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| 05:38.56 | cantido | Dagger2: thanks for the help btw :) |
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| 05:46.45 | Dagger2 | and thanks for the extra info about Japan IPv6 brokenness :) |
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| 05:47.13 | kdawg | now i just need to make ssh server not use port 22 |
| 05:47.19 | kdawg | googling |
| 05:47.22 | kdawg | never done it before |
| 05:47.40 | Dagger2 | Google's per-country chart at http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/ has Japan marked as problematic too, so it's not just you seeing this |
| 05:48.21 | cantido | Dagger2: the isp before last gave you an ipv6 address that worked I seem to remember.. |
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| 05:48.51 | cantido | so, I think it works for some people at least |
| 05:50.11 | Dagger2 | cantido: oh, the other two things I can think of trying are `nmap -sP 192.168.2.0/24`, which might turn up a v4 address for 00:12:e2:70:a1:c4... and `arping -i br0 00:12:e2:70:a1:c4` |
| 05:51.00 | Dagger2 | and watching Wireshark to see if 00:12:e2:70:a1:c4 sends anything interesting. and now I really am out of ideas for trying to work out what the heck it is |
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| 05:51.52 | askhader | Do I need to reinstall if I replace my mainboard? |
| 05:52.24 | cantido | askhader: you shouldn't, you might need to rebuild your initramfs |
| 05:52.59 | cantido | Dagger2: yeah, running wireshark now. arping didn't bring up anything when I tried earlier |
| 05:53.03 | raptor67682 | a question. how would you get the filename without extension and extension with AWK for myfilanemrandom.mrp4 ? |
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| 06:00.48 | kdawg | dam it my problem is not fixed |
| 06:01.02 | kdawg | why can't everything just be simple |
| 06:01.03 | kdawg | lol |
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| 06:01.17 | Chr|s | hiya |
| 06:01.40 | Chr|s | im thinking about dual booting with debian. Can anyone give me some suggestions? |
| 06:02.51 | kdawg | depends really what you want to do mate |
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| 06:04.18 | Chr|s | well, I want to be able to dualboot. already have partitions made |
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| 06:16.27 | DrManhattan | is it possible to enable the unstable branch for a single package? |
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| 06:17.43 | cantido | no |
| 06:18.01 | DrManhattan | that hurts my feelings. |
| 06:18.07 | DrManhattan | you can do that in gentoo. |
| 06:18.18 | cantido | use backports |
| 06:18.45 | DrManhattan | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zoneminder |
| 06:19.21 | DrManhattan | oh thats cool its in testing anyhow, thanks! |
| 06:20.00 | cantido | so you're running testing? |
| 06:20.17 | cantido | packages from unstable should install in testing without issues in most cases |
| 06:21.35 | DrManhattan | I didn't check the documentation - the docs on the zoneminder website appear to be slightly outdated. They say its only in unstable, but it's in all three |
| 06:21.49 | DrManhattan | I apologize for wasting your time |
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| 07:15.17 | kdawg | i figured out my vnware problem |
| 07:15.21 | kdawg | to in extent |
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| 07:15.44 | kdawg | i need to create a dhcp server within debian |
| 07:15.51 | kdawg | in order for it to connect to the internet |
| 07:15.57 | kdawg | using something like iptables |
| 07:16.10 | eamonnw | where can i get a lenny repo |
| 07:16.10 | kdawg | anyone have any ideas what i should use for a progra, |
| 07:16.24 | cantido | kdawg: dnsmasq can do dns caching and dhcp |
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| 07:16.40 | kdawg | oh wait i will need the internet to download that |
| 07:16.45 | kdawg | oh god |
| 07:16.56 | cantido | kdawg: do you just need to get an ip via dhcp? |
| 07:17.35 | kdawg | well since esxi does not have a dhcp server i need to tell it where and how to connect supposibly |
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| 07:18.47 | cantido | kdawg: give it a static address.. |
| 07:19.29 | kdawg | i need to set up a virtual router |
| 07:19.52 | cantido | there is a package in debian called ipmasq that can do that |
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| 07:20.05 | cantido | or you can use one of the firewall scripts or setup iptables yourself |
| 07:20.15 | nsadmin | s/is/was/ |
| 07:20.37 | nsadmin | , versions ipmasq |
| 07:20.38 | judd | Package: ipmasq on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
| 07:21.07 | kdawg | using squeeze |
| 07:21.08 | kdawg | but |
| 07:21.21 | kdawg | my problem is slightly different |
| 07:21.32 | kdawg | as i can't use the internet to download anything onto it |
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| 07:24.49 | cantido | ipmasq is gone? damn |
| 07:25.14 | nsadmin | yep |
| 07:25.33 | nsadmin | get the source package while you can... I still use ipmasq on my router |
| 07:26.36 | cantido | I use firehol, which is dead upstream it seems.. hopefully it won't disappear |
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| 07:29.38 | woshty | is there a replacement for modconf? |
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| 07:37.16 | Jareth3d | Which virtualisation system sould I use on Debian? (remote server / multi ip) |
| 07:37.44 | streuner__ | woshty: why do you need it? |
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| 07:41.00 | streuner | woshty: i think its still in stable... |
| 07:41.07 | streuner | judd, versions modconf |
| 07:41.09 | judd | Package: modconf on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.9; squeeze: 0.3.11 |
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| 07:42.23 | streuner | woshty: i guess, you already know that -> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/modconf.html |
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| 07:46.41 | woshty | streuner: yes, i know it is in stable but it is just gone from testing and everything else .. sometimes useful things just disappear |
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| 07:53.57 | nsadmin | so modconf is removed from unstable/testing? |
| 07:54.17 | nsadmin | lemme read that link |
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| 08:27.49 | newzhuntr | if so which package would it be in ? |
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| 09:04.18 | torpid | then reload it |
| 09:04.39 | alex- | not for ssh |
| 09:04.51 | emss | alex-: for local logins /etc/passwd set the shell to /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 09:05.51 | emss | man 8 nologin |
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| 09:11.44 | alex- | ah |
| 09:11.50 | alex- | I get this when installing: FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
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| 09:12.42 | tenzind | hi, i am using debian testing. when i do a aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree, the installation process stops with this error: ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc how do i solve this ... |
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| 09:13.07 | somiaj | tenzind: have you checked the bts |
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| 09:13.41 | mah454 | How can change squid 403 html page ? |
| 09:13.47 | mah454 | where is html PATH ? |
| 09:13.51 | tenzind | somiaj: i did .. but could not find a solution ... i found people reporting some checksum error |
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| 09:14.38 | somiaj | tenzind: well I just tried to wget that file, it exsist, so wonder what is stoping wget from accessing it. |
| 09:14.57 | somiaj | tenzind: is your nameserver resolving that ip correctly, or do you have some strange firewall up? |
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| 09:15.16 | ksuhku | alex-, installing what? |
| 09:15.42 | alex- | ksuhku: sudo |
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| 09:15.45 | alex- | htop |
| 09:15.46 | tenzind | somiaj: i am connected through a proxy, but when i do wget myself, i can get that file ... |
| 09:16.18 | somiaj | tenzind: then sounds like something in the flashplugin-nonfree isn't using the proxy correctly... |
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| 09:17.08 | somiaj | tenzind: if you can grab the file might be able to modify the postinst script (or what ever part is failing) by providing the file and commenting out the wget line |
| 09:17.34 | bitHipy_ | do we (debian users) really need a popup nagging us that there is 14% of mouse battery left? |
| 09:18.00 | tenzind | somiaj: you mean i get the source, modify some stuff and build the deb myself? |
| 09:18.02 | somiaj | bitHipy_: that is most likely part of gnome |
| 09:18.11 | bitHipy_ | it's pretty annoying, and preferences don't have a disable option |
| 09:18.48 | somiaj | tenzind: I mean if it is the postinst script failing you edit it and reconfigure the package with 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 09:19.11 | somiaj | bitHipy_: again this is probabaly a feature of the de you chose to use. my wireless mouse dies just fine with no warnings. (: |
| 09:21.10 | bitHipy_ | somiaj: well the feature may be a gnome feature, but isn't it Debian devs who would have decided to configure it this way by default? A tray icon is enough -- nagging popups in addition is overkill |
| 09:21.20 | tenzind | hmm.. |
| 09:21.44 | somiaj | bitHipy_: what version of debian do you run? |
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| 09:21.50 | bitHipy_ | somiaj: sqeeze |
| 09:22.14 | somiaj | bitHipy_: You could find the culprit and file a wishlist bug |
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| 09:22.33 | bitHipy_ | somiaj: i'll probably do that |
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| 09:23.29 | somiaj | tenzind: if all you want is flash to work, you could grab the plugin from adobe and copy it to ~/.firefox/plugins (or wherever your browser looks for such things) |
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| 09:23.58 | somiaj | tenzind: also if you want to file a bug report, seems to me it is something to do with your proxy and wget not able to grab the file it needs |
| 09:24.51 | tenzind | somiaj: i tried downloading flash player from adobe choosing ubuntu deb ... but my iceweasel says it doesnt know apt protocol ... |
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| 09:27.22 | alex- | Segmentation faultsts... 0% |
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| 09:30.29 | avernos | is it possible to start a xsession inside a terminal that is running on another xsession? |
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| 09:33.14 | __zero | do you guys know of any program to modify network packets on the fly? |
| 09:33.33 | EmleyMoor | __zero: modify them how? |
| 09:34.23 | __zero | EmleyMoor, I'm doing an assignment of showing how a man in the middle attack works, let's say the packets get modified (the content) |
| 09:34.57 | EmleyMoor | Oh, right. I don't know of anything that makes that easy... |
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| 09:38.48 | tenzind | somiaj: thanks for the proxy hint ... had to modify my .wgetrc to set the correct proxy settings ... :) |
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| 09:51.56 | alex- | How to enter a folder with sudo? |
| 09:51.59 | alex- | sudo cd isn't working |
| 09:52.10 | jelly-home | alex-: what are you trying to achieve |
| 09:52.35 | jelly-home | ie. why do you want to "enter a folder with sudo" |
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| 09:53.36 | ompaul | alex-: sudo -i then as root cd would be how I would do it ... but you obviously want to do something like run a command in there so sudo vi /bar/foo might be your clue for the day but who knows |
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| 09:56.47 | peterrooney | sudo cd does exactly what it's supposed to, but that is different from what you want to accomplish. I'd say nine times out of ten, when someone thinks 'sudo cd blah' is the solution, what they['re really looking for is, 'sudo ls blah' |
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| 10:00.17 | alex- | cd /var/log/apache2/ |
| 10:00.18 | alex- | -bash: cd: apache2/: Permission denied |
| 10:00.41 | alex- | jelly-home: ompaul peterrooney |
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| 10:00.58 | jelly-home | alex-: that's for the cd, and what do you want to do afterwards? |
| 10:01.15 | alex- | to enter the folder |
| 10:01.27 | jelly-home | alex-: why? Interactive maintenance? |
| 10:01.33 | alex- | to view the logs |
| 10:01.41 | peterrooney | alex-: Repeat, what are you actually trying to do? sudo runs the command *as the other user* and then pust you as you were before |
| 10:01.48 | alex- | enter the folder |
| 10:01.50 | jelly-home | alex-: do what peterrooney said, instead. |
| 10:01.56 | ompaul | alex-: sudo -i and look in there |
| 10:02.04 | ompaul | or as above |
| 10:02.05 | jelly-home | alex-: sudo ls /var/log/apache2/ |
| 10:02.05 | peterrooney | s/pust/puts/ |
| 10:02.08 | alex- | -i ? |
| 10:02.14 | ompaul | alex-: man sudo |
| 10:02.24 | ompaul | you've been around here long enough :) |
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| 10:02.39 | ompaul | you should know -i and -s |
| 10:02.40 | Big_Brother | anyone here with a RAID card which works in debian? |
| 10:03.02 | jelly-home | Big_Brother: 3ware usually work. |
| 10:03.09 | ompaul | Big_Brother: most scsi out of the box in dell work for me that I have (perc iirc) |
| 10:03.41 | Big_Brother | jelly-home: 3ware? not 3com? |
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| 10:04.07 | jelly-home | Big_Brother: I've never heard of 3com making hw raid adapters |
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| 10:05.52 | Big_Brother | jelly-home: then it was 3ware which was recommended to be avoided. |
| 10:06.56 | ompaul | Big_Brother: you asked a question about peoples experience, by this it suggests you have no experience, and then you denigrade the experience offered. |
| 10:08.23 | jelly-home | Big_Brother: I didn't say they performed well, but they worked. :-) |
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| 10:08.49 | Big_Brother | ompaul: I asked for someone with a working RAID card in debian. not their experience. |
| 10:09.12 | ompaul | I gave one - he gave one you disputed it have a nice day |
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| 10:10.03 | ompaul | and in a moment of clarity you have to know about working RAID cards, you can't know they work without experience |
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| 10:11.49 | jelly-home | mostly has experience with HP's own SmartArray and the kind of LSI low-end hw raid in IBM and Dell boxen |
| 10:12.24 | ompaul | I don't cover the hp stuff but I do have IBM and Dell low end machines |
| 10:12.29 | ompaul | with raid in them |
| 10:12.30 | jelly-home | would not recommend discrete equivalents of those LSI cards to anyone |
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| 10:13.39 | ompaul | alex-: as an aside you should be aware if you have a root password set you can do this also: su -c "ls /var/log/apache2/" |
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| 10:14.23 | alex- | nah i disabled root |
| 10:14.57 | ompaul | alex-: I don't I just don't let people log onto boxes as root, similar end result, different paradigim |
| 10:15.59 | alex- | ah |
| 10:17.28 | ompaul | wonders where the extra i came from, no matter |
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| 10:35.18 | alex- | When I connect to SFTP i get this: Error:Server unexpectedly closed network connection. Error:Could not connect to server |
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| 10:36.17 | cantido | thinks it means what it says.. |
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| 10:36.52 | Woet | alex-: that sounds bad, hope you get it solved |
| 10:36.53 | Woet | !+next |
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| 10:37.22 | alex- | Why do I get it? |
| 10:37.45 | Woet | alex-: which port are you connecting to? |
| 10:37.49 | alex- | 2233 |
| 10:37.57 | cantido | alex-: are you the guy that couldn't get apt working yesterday? |
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| 10:38.08 | Woet | alex-: and your open ssh server lists on 2233? |
| 10:38.13 | alex- | yes |
| 10:38.23 | alex- | cantido: the host fixed something for the vps so everything works now |
| 10:38.31 | Woet | alex-: and which client are you using to connect to SFTP? |
| 10:38.33 | cantido | thinks alex- still has a broken iptables setup.. |
| 10:38.46 | bunny69 | does anyone in here use cpulimit? it is mean to work with multicore but when i try to set e.g. 150% it says that max is 100%... so single core only... any ideas, folks? |
| 10:38.52 | bunny69 | meant* |
| 10:38.59 | alex- | cantido: that's on another system |
| 10:39.02 | alex- | Woet: filezilla |
| 10:39.33 | bunny69 | alex-: please use a decent ftp client, e.g. total commander |
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| 10:39.40 | bunny69 | and is that sftp or ftps? |
| 10:39.45 | alex- | sftp |
| 10:39.49 | Woet | alex-: and you configured filezilla as SFTP? |
| 10:39.54 | alex- | yes |
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| 10:40.05 | Woet | alex-: what's the server IP? |
| 10:40.14 | bunny69 | so what's the prob? |
| 10:40.23 | alex- | Woet: can I pm you? |
| 10:40.28 | Woet | sure |
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| 10:40.53 | Woet | alex-: I meant, pm me the IP.. |
| 10:41.16 | bunny69 | and what about my cpulimit problem? any ideas how to limit a process to more than 100% on multicore box? |
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| 10:42.14 | cantido | bunny69: a process can't use over 100% I don't think.. if the program is multithreaded it could have multiple threads and use time across multiple cpus |
| 10:42.24 | alex- | Woet: done |
| 10:42.49 | Woet | working fine, alex- |
| 10:42.55 | Woet | Error:Authentication failed. |
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| 10:43.16 | alex- | Woet: see pm |
| 10:43.18 | ksuhku | bunny69, have you read the manual page? |
| 10:44.01 | alex- | Woet: login to it |
| 10:44.01 | Woet | alex-: what does /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log say? |
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| 10:46.03 | alex- | http://pastebin.com/KHmTu1Vy |
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| 10:46.27 | Woet | alex-: so what's the mystery? |
| 10:46.30 | cantido | alex-: it's telling you exactly what is wrong |
| 10:46.31 | Woet | fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/home/test" |
| 10:46.47 | alex- | chown test:test/home/test |
| 10:46.51 | alex- | what's wrong with this command then? |
| 10:47.05 | jelly-home | alex-: it's missing a space? |
| 10:47.09 | cantido | alex-: you need a space between the new owner/group and the target |
| 10:47.15 | alex- | that was a typo |
| 10:47.22 | alex- | chown test:test /home/test |
| 10:47.31 | cantido | alex-: what does it tell you |
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| 10:47.38 | Woet | alex-: stat /home/test |
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| 10:48.01 | alex- | http://pastebin.com/beAarr9G |
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| 10:48.42 | jelly-home | alex-: there's nothing wrong with that command in itself, but if you're trying to set up sftp-only chroot, be aware that sshd wants you to set /home/test to be owned by root:root |
| 10:48.58 | alex- | but then my user can't acces it anymore |
| 10:49.00 | alex- | or am i wrong? |
| 10:49.17 | jelly-home | alex-: then you create a subdirectory owned by test |
| 10:49.48 | jelly-home | how, what ARE you trying to achieve? |
| 10:49.51 | jelly-home | now* |
| 10:50.00 | alex- | Give access to the user 'test' for directory /home/test/ |
| 10:50.10 | jelly-home | alex-: you already did that. |
| 10:50.24 | alex- | uh |
| 10:50.32 | alex- | yes but the user can't edit files in it |
| 10:50.49 | alex- | chmod 0755 /home/joe ? |
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| 10:51.09 | stevez | Hi. Please, someone can explain me why all HOWTO's about environment variables are suggesting that local installations should be in $HOME/bin? I just don't understeand -- if I compile a program from hand I don't give PREFIX=/home/username, but something like PREFIX=/home/username/local - and bin also lands here. |
| 10:51.36 | alex- | Hmm isn't there any way how I also can give access to the directory other than root? |
| 10:51.52 | jelly-home | alex-: how is that user connecting to your system? |
| 10:51.59 | alex- | sftp |
| 10:52.04 | jelly-home | sftp only? |
| 10:52.07 | alex- | yes |
| 10:52.15 | jelly-home | with chroot? |
| 10:52.35 | alex- | yes |
| 10:52.59 | jelly-home | then make them write to /home/test/upload or wherever |
| 10:53.00 | cantido | stevez: if you give it that prefix the configure script will put bin in $PREFIX, that's what prefix is for |
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| 10:53.16 | alex- | jelly-home: isn't there any way for /home/test/ ? |
| 10:53.20 | cantido | stevez: if you don't give it a prefix it will usually go in /usr/local/ |
| 10:53.30 | jelly-home | alex-: not that I know of. |
| 10:53.46 | jelly-home | alex-: that's how sftp chroot works. |
| 10:53.50 | stevez | cantido: I know. But why all howto/wiki/faq's descripe "local" path for normal user as $HOME/bin? |
| 10:54.02 | alex- | ok thanks |
| 10:54.06 | cantido | stevez: no idea.. but does it matter? |
| 10:54.14 | stevez | cantido: I don't like to make mess in my $HOME with PREFIX=/home/username |
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| 10:54.24 | stevez | cento: yes :) |
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| 10:54.37 | cantido | stevez: ugh, put the stuff where ever you want and use that path |
| 10:54.49 | stevez | cento: they should write $HOME/local/bin |
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| 10:55.23 | cantido | stevez: only to have someone else they should do it some other way? |
| 10:55.24 | stevez | cantido: as am I doing to this day. Just was curious about that. |
| 10:55.28 | ksuhku | stevez, ok you convinced me, I'll go change "all howto/wiki/faq's" |
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| 10:55.45 | cantido | s/else/else tell them/ |
| 10:55.47 | stevez | ksuhku: ;-) |
| 10:55.59 | cantido | stevez: is it defined in the FHS |
| 10:56.01 | cantido | ? |
| 10:56.32 | stevez | didn't check it myself |
| 10:56.33 | cantido | makes a directory per application for stuff compiled in $HOME.. |
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| 10:58.24 | cantido | putting everything in $HOME/ or $HOME/local/ sounds like a nightmare to me,.. if the application is in it's own directory you can delete it without worrying about all the other stuff |
| 10:58.28 | stevez | cantido: then you need to add more lines to $PATH, /home/username/app1/bin:/home/username/app2/bin... keeping all in /home/username/local would be easier I think... |
| 10:58.50 | BenNZ | anyone know why when i try to mount a usb flash drive with a fat32 fs type , with sudo mount /dev/sdg1 /mnt/test . get an error message , wrong fs type ? |
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| 10:58.57 | jelly-home | stevez: symlinks are his friends. |
| 10:59.03 | cantido | stevez: shells have loops |
| 10:59.12 | nsadmin | well not "lines" |
| 10:59.29 | nsadmin | I have a shell func that adds a dir to PATH |
| 10:59.38 | ksuhku | BenNZ, missing some kernel config like win codepages or some other shit? |
| 10:59.38 | cantido | stevez: i.e. I have a dir with 7 or 8 cross toolchains.. they are added to my path with a three line loop |
| 11:00.20 | BenNZ | ksuhku: ok how do i check that? |
| 11:01.15 | ksuhku | BenNZ, check dmesg or try a generic default kernel |
| 11:01.38 | petemc | BenNZ: does 'fdisk -l' as root show sdg1 ? |
| 11:01.46 | BenNZ | petemc: yes |
| 11:01.49 | stevez | nsadmin, cantido: could you share this on some pastebin? I think you have this in your .bashrc/.zshrc/.profile? |
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| 11:02.03 | BenNZ | ksuhku: ok , ill have a look |
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| 11:02.59 | cantido | stevez: you can drop any little script you like in /etc/profile.d/ |
| 11:03.06 | sp4rc | guys, i am running debian squeeze on amd64 and an nvida graphicscards |
| 11:03.27 | sp4rc | has anyone of you suffered from an unstable system using the nvidia module version 195.36.31-6 |
| 11:03.30 | sp4rc | ? |
| 11:03.35 | sp4rc | my system randomly freezes |
| 11:03.42 | nsadmin | stevez, sure. meanwhile... I have it in my .bashrc and .bash_profile is one line: . .bashrc (otherwise it will not be sourced) |
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| 11:03.53 | sp4rc | check my memory and disks... they are fine... |
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| 11:04.51 | stevez | and how do you handle $LD_LIBRARY_PATH for these local installations? |
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| 11:05.37 | cantido | stevez: I've never needed to mess with that |
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| 11:05.51 | stevez | okay. |
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| 11:06.07 | cantido | I try not to have tons of stuff compiled in $HOME |
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| 11:07.50 | sp4rc | anyone? |
| 11:08.17 | nsadmin | http://gist.github.com/2391943 <-- take a look |
| 11:08.21 | Eninem | around |
| 11:08.39 | stevez | nsadmin: thank you. |
| 11:09.35 | ksuhku | sp4rc, try support@nvidia.com |
| 11:10.01 | cantido | sp4rc: try the nvidia driver that's in backports, that might help |
| 11:10.02 | sp4rc | my question was if anyone of you is suffering from an unstable system like me? |
| 11:10.07 | cantido | or make it much worse .. |
| 11:10.21 | sp4rc | unfortunately i don't see anything in the logs |
| 11:10.37 | ksuhku | my system is perfectly stable, then again, I don't use binary shit |
| 11:10.38 | sp4rc | my system just freezes... and absolutly nothing in the logs |
| 11:11.02 | cantido | sp4rc: can you reproduce it or is it random? |
| 11:11.21 | sp4rc | cantido: it happens randomly |
| 11:11.36 | sp4rc | as i said: memory is fine (checked with memtest86+) |
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| 11:11.48 | sp4rc | disks are also fine according to smartctl |
| 11:11.53 | sp4rc | also fsck... etc. pp |
| 11:11.59 | cantido | sp4rc: if you get a hard lock up the driver (or some other piece of kernel) could be broken or you have something overheating or bad power supply etc |
| 11:12.16 | sp4rc | i can't tell it's nvidias kernel module for sure just a gues, as i am trying to pinpoint it down |
| 11:12.32 | cantido | sp4rc: well, try upgrading it or uninstalling it |
| 11:12.58 | sp4rc | also tried to run 'stress' to test my systems stability... oddly i was not able to crash iht |
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| 11:15.36 | sp4rc | hm also if cpu temperature would be a problem then my mainboard would start beeping |
| 11:15.50 | cantido | sp4rc: it could be any piece of hardware |
| 11:15.53 | nsadmin | sp4rc, maybe that rules out hardware as the problem (incl cpu, mobo, video card, slots) |
| 11:15.59 | nsadmin | oh and ram |
| 11:16.03 | sp4rc | so i don't think overheating is the problem |
| 11:16.10 | sp4rc | nsadmin: checked that, it's fine |
| 11:16.11 | cantido | sp4rc: it could be weird power in your house |
| 11:16.15 | kwork | maybe you can see the gpu temp via some software |
| 11:16.32 | sp4rc | is there a tool i can use to stresstest my gpu? |
| 11:16.33 | kwork | thou gfxes usualy control the fan speed themselves even if os fails |
| 11:16.42 | kwork | usualy they just run at max speed |
| 11:17.12 | kwork | thats good question, never tried to stresstest gpu on linux |
| 11:18.37 | cantido | sp4rc: why do you think the gpu is the issue? |
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| 11:19.14 | sp4rc | cantido: i am trying to stepwise pinpoint the problem |
| 11:19.38 | sp4rc | and now i am trying to exclusively test my gpu/graphiccard |
| 11:19.46 | cantido | if you think the gpu is the problem try a different one, try newer drivers etc |
| 11:19.50 | sp4rc | if it crashes imediatly |
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| 11:20.12 | kwork | sp4rc: are you using custom or package kernel ? |
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| 11:20.31 | sp4rc | kwork: i am using package kernel |
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| 11:21.07 | sp4rc | http://dpaste.org/c1eR4/ |
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| 11:21.46 | kwork | i have usualy used the drivers directly from nvidia site then package ones |
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| 11:21.50 | kwork | they tend to be newer |
| 11:21.51 | sp4rc | is there a way i can debug this? or at least get something to log? |
| 11:22.15 | sp4rc | feels like searching for a black cat in a dark room |
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| 11:22.36 | cantido | sp4rc: if you setup a serial console you might be able to get some output before the machine locks |
| 11:23.06 | cantido | or you could just try the newer drivers/kernel from backports and see if it helps |
| 11:23.32 | kwork | sp4rc: aswell sometimes networking still works even if local console fails |
| 11:23.48 | sp4rc | kwork: tried that before it really locks up |
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| 11:24.25 | sp4rc | cantido: isn't the version i am running directly from backports? |
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| 11:25.27 | cantido | sp4rc: you said your nvidia driver is 195 something.. I think backports is 2xx |
| 11:25.31 | cantido | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 11:25.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 295.33-1; sid/non-free: 295.40-1 |
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| 11:26.39 | sp4rc | hm okay, then how can i update my nvidia kernel module without messing up all my packages? i already have the backports repo in my sources.list |
| 11:27.01 | cantido | sp4rc: if backports messed up your packages what would be the point in having them? |
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| 11:38.03 | sp4rc | cantido: the point is: i don't know how to update my nvidia packages with the one from backports.org |
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| 11:40.46 | sp4rc | "# apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-glx" that tells me nvidia-glx is already in the latest version |
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| 11:55.29 | alex- | iptables-restore: line 23 failed |
| 11:55.33 | alex- | line 23: COMMIT |
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| 11:57.33 | Woet | alex-: that sounds bad, hope you get it solved |
| 11:57.35 | Woet | !+next |
| 11:57.35 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 11:57.51 | montreux | Hi, I am using debirf to build images that're fetched over tftp to boot diskless clients. It works well. In dhcp for each client i am using 'option host-name', to setup client hostname. But when I log into the server, /etc/hostname is empty even if in dhcp.lease I can see that option host-name presents. Any clue? |
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| 11:59.01 | Arafangion | wonders why his "vindaloo curry", sold in his supermarket, doesn't actually contain vinegar. |
| 11:59.04 | alex- | Woet: yes, that's why i am here |
| 11:59.24 | Woet | alex-: maybe you should ask actual questions then, rather than paste random error messages and sit back until we guess your question |
| 11:59.34 | alex- | dpkg, tell woet about next |
| 11:59.41 | Woet | alex-: the error messages are pretty obvious, as proven to you previously. |
| 11:59.51 | alex- | Do I have to remove the commit line |
| 11:59.53 | alex- | ? |
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| 12:00.35 | Arafangion | alex-: Only if you don't care about what line 23 is supposed to do, whatever it's supposed to do. |
| 12:00.56 | alex- | it does COMMIT |
| 12:01.19 | Woet | alex-: there is an error with the lines above. did you manually edit the file you are restoring? |
| 12:01.32 | alex- | yes |
| 12:01.36 | Woet | alex-: you should not do so. |
| 12:01.42 | bunny69 | and what about my cpulimit problem? any ideas how to limit a process to more than 100% on multicore box? |
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| 12:01.51 | Woet | alex-: you adjust iptables by running the commands, then do iptables-save and -restore without editing it |
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| 12:02.05 | Woet | alex-: you can put several COMMIT lines in the file to see which line causes the error |
| 12:02.24 | Woet | alex-: an error on the COMMIT line means a command somewhere before that line caused an error. |
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| 12:02.51 | pem3v78 | bunny69, describe the matter |
| 12:02.52 | alex- | how can i find out while line? |
| 12:02.57 | Woet | [14:02:05] <Woet> alex-: you can put several COMMIT lines in the file to see which line causes the error |
| 12:03.35 | alex- | now it hangs |
| 12:03.39 | alex- | the restore command |
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| 12:06.31 | Woet | alex-: no, your connection most likely broke because your firewall is not properly configured |
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| 12:15.08 | daniel-s_ | I'm getting the following error: |
| 12:15.10 | daniel-s_ | from gi.repository import Gtk |
| 12:15.11 | daniel-s_ | ImportError: No module named gi.repository |
| 12:15.39 | daniel-s_ | however the package python-gobject is installed (I think that's the relevant one) |
| 12:16.00 | daniel-s_ | anyone else got this problem, from google, it seems to be a common one for people with debian |
| 12:20.50 | vlade_imir | alex-: can you paste the iptables-save output you're trying to restore ? |
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| 12:23.13 | Tuhin | Debian Hybrid ISO will work as USB persistance? |
| 12:23.29 | Tuhin | Live USB persistance |
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| 12:31.54 | GreatLord | HI |
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| 12:32.13 | nvz | not yet, but we're working on it |
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| 12:32.56 | Tuhin | nvz: u answered my question? |
| 12:33.13 | nvz | no, GreatLord said HI |
| 12:33.23 | nvz | I said, not yet, but we're working on it |
| 12:33.34 | Tuhin | Debian Hybrid ISO will work as USB Live persistance? |
| 12:33.44 | nvz | I don't even have a clue what you're talking about |
| 12:34.00 | Tuhin | ok |
| 12:34.07 | GreatLord | I need help to figout what dlink dns-320 image.cfs type of format how to create and mount it. any one known how or where getting help with that |
| 12:35.14 | GreatLord | when That is done I can offer a firmware with debian on for dlink dns-320 |
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| 12:37.53 | tekzilla | GreatLord: maybe this works http://dns-300.sergeyzh.org/wiki/howto/unpack_dlink_firmware |
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| 12:38.51 | tekzilla | just googled it btw, first page for "extract d-link firmware" |
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| 12:40.15 | GreatLord | tekzilla: it depns which device u want hacking |
| 12:41.15 | tekzilla | GreatLord: i was hoping the 300 and 320 images were similar |
| 12:41.33 | GreatLord | tekzilla: got the source code for dns-320 but dlink did not ship with instruction how to create or build the last part I need |
| 12:41.43 | GreatLord | the image.cfs |
| 12:41.45 | nvz | its def sunday |
| 12:42.32 | GreatLord | tekzilla: dns-320/325 is a nas and the frimware extract is diffent againts other model |
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| 12:43.37 | GreatLord | extract the firmware to uImage uRamdisk defualt.tar.gz and image.cfs is easy I wrote that program doing that for dns-320/325 |
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| 12:43.47 | GreatLord | one year ago and release it |
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| 12:44.46 | GreatLord | the hard part is the fileformat for image.cfs their linux is store |
| 12:45.07 | tekzilla | GreatLord: ok then sorry for my quick shot :) just tried to help. hope you can figure it out |
| 12:45.17 | ironm | hello. Please allow me one question: how is it possible (if at all) to create a debian install repository from a debian iso image doing it offline? Thank you in advance for any hints. |
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| 12:46.33 | GreatLord | tekzilla: I and 3 other people have been provide almost all hw spec and how to build u own custom firmware for dns-320 |
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| 12:47.00 | GreatLord | if some can help with the last part I will be very happy |
| 12:47.31 | rozie | ironm: what exactly you want to achieve? |
| 12:48.02 | rozie | but more general, without presenting partial solution, pls |
| 12:49.10 | ironm | rozie, to prepare a partial local install debian repo (form particular iso image) for off-line installations of PVM clients on XCP (xen) |
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| 12:49.57 | ironm | s/form/from/ |
| 12:50.08 | rozie | ironm: can you use PxE? |
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| 12:50.27 | ironm | rozie, not quite |
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| 12:51.54 | rozie | ironm: take a look on apt-mirror |
| 12:52.00 | rozie | http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:53.12 | ironm | thank you rozie. As far as I know apt-mirror do it in another way .. not from local iso image with only some packages |
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| 12:56.40 | man_in_shack | looks around |
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| 12:56.40 | tekzilla | ironm: i guess you could populate apt-mirrors (or similar tools/daemons) cache from the iso |
| 12:56.40 | man_in_shack | anyone know of software i can use to model mechanical systems? |
| 12:56.40 | ironm | thank you tekzilla .. i will check it :) |
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| 12:57.18 | ironm | man_in_shack, maybe: scilab - Scientific software package for numerical computations |
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| 13:24.25 | Tuhin | whats the min ram needed for debian lxde? |
| 13:25.08 | ompaul | Tuhin: just saw it boot a rasberry pi |
| 13:25.12 | ompaul | but who knows |
| 13:25.32 | Tuhin | rasberry pi? |
| 13:25.53 | ompaul | a small computer about the size of a phone |
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| 13:26.17 | guk | mmm pi |
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| 13:26.28 | Tuhin | which de? |
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| 13:26.44 | Tuhin | gnome? lxde? openbox? |
| 13:26.49 | nvz | chocolate mousse |
| 13:26.50 | ompaul | lxde I have run it 512 ram on an old laptop shared graphics and it was horrid did it on 1gig and it was nice |
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| 13:27.23 | ompaul | lxde is the default with squeeze for the pi computer |
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| 13:27.49 | Tuhin | pi is arm cpu |
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| 13:27.50 | guk | When does the pi computer come out ? can you purchase it now ? |
| 13:27.52 | xixor | do people ever run debian on top end machines? qudcore i7, 32gb of ram, big fast GPU, on a desktop type configuration, not head less server? |
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| 13:28.16 | Tuhin | how abt old p3 with 256/512mb ram |
| 13:28.16 | Tuhin | yes |
| 13:28.22 | guk | hey |
| 13:28.24 | guk | thats my computer |
| 13:28.30 | Tuhin | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rasberry%20pi&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGYQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Ftechnology%2Fla-fi-tn-raspberry-pis-35-computer-starts-shipping-today-20120413%2C0%2C2319213.story&ei=VsyKT5S4McStrAfFuKGtCw&usg=AFQjCNGsyEF7M2SZ-aIJiUpH2KqdoLrLXg&cad=rja |
| 13:28.55 | ompaul | Tuhin: it might just run, but it will CRAWL |
| 13:29.00 | guk | Dual P3 450Mhz with 512mb RAM |
| 13:29.42 | Tuhin | what about 900MHz athlon xp with 256mb ram |
| 13:29.52 | ompaul | still horrid |
| 13:29.53 | guk | makes a mint little mini server |
| 13:30.05 | Tuhin | its an old spare pc |
| 13:30.10 | guk | as long as your not running X ... or lots and lots of users it works perfect |
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| 13:30.34 | guk | I know this is a debian channel but I personally find the *BSD's take shitt...erm slow computers a little nicer if your plans are for routing |
| 13:30.41 | guk | what would you do with such mini box |
| 13:31.05 | Tuhin | hmm server and sxperimenting |
| 13:31.17 | Tuhin | experimenting* |
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| 13:31.21 | guk | yeah yeah bud ... it should run great, keep X off it tho |
| 13:31.33 | Tuhin | Debian Hybrid ISO will work as USB Live persistance? |
| 13:31.33 | guk | and think light when you run things ... ie lighthttpd > apache |
| 13:31.45 | guk | USB Live ? explain ? |
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| 13:32.05 | guk | like install debian on it using the USB live ? |
| 13:32.09 | Tuhin | booting Debian from USB flash drive as Live |
| 13:32.17 | Tuhin | no |
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| 13:32.47 | Tuhin | will have Debian Boot from USB as Live media+ persistance = saved settings in USB itself |
| 13:32.56 | guk | ooh, how do you plan on booting this USB stick ... my old P3 can't do USB booting |
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| 13:33.34 | Tuhin | i want to take this USB evwhere wit me and use it in ANY pc |
| 13:33.41 | Tuhin | with* |
| 13:33.44 | guk | ooohhh... ok ok |
| 13:34.01 | guk | yeah you can put a little partition on the USB key and call it /home or whatever |
| 13:34.01 | Tuhin | i have multiple PCs/laptop |
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| 13:34.36 | guk | heh, I never use live USB's except for data recovery too slow |
| 13:34.38 | ompaul | Tuhin: but know this, some older hardware will not boot from USB |
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| 13:34.46 | ompaul | guk: or installs |
| 13:35.03 | Tuhin | yes i knwo my 900Mhz athlon Mb cant boot from USB |
| 13:35.11 | Tuhin | https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/420179-creating-a-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-with-persistence-for-non-techies |
| 13:35.11 | guk | nope, I had to spend 30 minutes finding a blank ISO to burn a CD for my p3 ... and then try to find a working CD ROM drive |
| 13:35.20 | guk | because im so horrible for putting broken stuff in a pile |
| 13:35.21 | guk | >:( |
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| 13:35.39 | Tuhin | it says only USB HDD iso supports live persistance.... i want to use the Hybrid ISO |
| 13:36.00 | guk | 900MHz ... it might be able ... and can't you emulate a USB-HDD based on the bootsector of the USB key ?? |
| 13:36.05 | guk | ie it looks like a HDD |
| 13:36.19 | Iridos | jelly, you said you use amd64 kernel with i386 userland and proprietary nvidia... that has to complie a kernel module? And nvidia-kernel-dkms should be able to do that? How could you compile a 64bit kernel module with a 32bit compiler? |
| 13:36.40 | Tuhin | that 900Mhz not my only target... i want to boot ALL pc ANYWHERE i go |
| 13:37.11 | Tuhin | all pc = all new which CAN boot from USB |
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| 13:37.46 | andresvia | Hi. |
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| 13:41.20 | xixor | I am running aptitude upgrade on a debian testing system that hasn't been updated lately... resolving conflicts is taking quite a while and using up my entire cpu... just let it run and wait? |
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| 13:46.18 | bitHipy_ | xixor: i noticed teh same thing |
| 13:46.43 | bitHipy_ | i don't recall if I waited it out |
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| 13:47.13 | mooglenorph | Hi. I just got squeeze installed on my netbook with intel i915 graphics. |
| 13:47.26 | mooglenorph | And I can't figure out how to get the framebuffer for vtty's up to a decent resolution |
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| 13:47.59 | mooglenorph | I'm passing video=i915 modeset=1 to the kernel in grub, and I thought that should work. |
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| 13:51.26 | else- | anyone knows if its possible to disable my touchpad mouse movements while still having two finger scrolling enabled? |
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| 13:52.52 | lihongwu | Hi,mooglenorph, have to tried installing the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver? |
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| 13:53.51 | jelly-home | Iridos: easily, and it Just Works |
| 13:54.15 | mooglenorph | lihongwu: no, this computer doesn't have X11 on it |
| 13:55.20 | mooglenorph | lihongwu: I need the driver even if I'm not using X, to have a good framebuffer? |
| 13:56.26 | jelly-home | mooglenorph: the second boot param ought to say "i915.modeset=1" |
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| 13:56.58 | xixor | ah, dist-upgrade |
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| 13:57.47 | jelly-home | mooglenorph: but modeset is default -- at the time of modprobe i915, the console ought to automatically switch to fb mode |
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| 13:58.15 | jelly-home | mooglenorph: this is, in fact, what would happen if you started X |
| 13:58.40 | Iridos | jelly-home, not for me, it does not... just did an (security) upgrade where I found out I already have an amd64-kernel installed... of course the dkms compile fails |
| 13:58.44 | burhan | what is the default KDE that comes with squeeze? |
| 13:59.04 | Iridos | ... not to my surprise |
| 13:59.17 | mooglenorph | jelly-home: that's odd, because the text during GRUB looks much more "high-resolution" than text in the vtty |
| 13:59.40 | mooglenorph | is there a way to verify from the console what the resolution is? |
| 13:59.43 | xixor | burhan: http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/ |
| 13:59.43 | jelly-home | Iridos: with linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential installed? |
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| 14:00.04 | burhan | xixor: I am wondering if its the same version that comes with kubuntu 11.10 |
| 14:00.08 | lihongwu | Have you tried to build i915 into your initramfs? |
| 14:00.21 | mooglenorph | lihongwu: nope |
| 14:00.29 | Iridos | jelly-home, I'm runnin the -bigmem one right now |
| 14:00.54 | Iridos | so no $(uname -r), but let me check |
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| 14:01.41 | sunbeam | does anyone know how I can set no timeout for my pure ftpd server? |
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| 14:01.53 | Iridos | jelly-home, actually, I just reinstalled fglrx-modules-dkms... seems that wasn't a good idea either |
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| 14:02.20 | lihongwu | well my laptop also has the i915 video card |
| 14:02.34 | lihongwu | My I've installed X... |
| 14:02.53 | lihongwu | and build i915 into the initramfs |
| 14:03.06 | Iridos | jelly-home, hm, you have a point un linux-headers-2.6-amd64 <none> |
| 14:03.10 | burhan | is there a laptop HCL for debian? |
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| 14:03.27 | Iridos | wait, that's just a metapackage |
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| 14:03.51 | Iridos | ii linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:03.59 | Iridos | jelly-home, so... yes |
| 14:04.03 | lihongwu | I'm a not a native english speaker so if what I'm speaking sounds odd ,just bear with me , bu I'm trying to help |
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| 14:06.07 | lihongwu | mooglenorph,are you there? |
| 14:06.22 | jelly-home | Iridos: dunno, could be broken in squeeze |
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| 14:06.41 | N1x_ | hello guys , #firefox is really dead channel :-) , one simple nervous question about firefox , who knows how to change text browsing mode to normal? |
| 14:06.47 | N1x_ | can't find :-\ |
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| 14:07.19 | andresvia | F7? |
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| 14:08.12 | flux242 | Hi, I'm trying to figure out if it possible to get notified if a davfs2 is mounted. Should udev help here and how the rule should look like in this case? At least SUBSYSTEM=="fuse" RUN+="/etc/showfuse.sh" doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:08.20 | Woet | N1x_: a channel being dead does not make it a valid topic on #debian |
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| 14:08.22 | N1x_ | andresvia: damn yes :-D |
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| 14:08.42 | N1x_ | Woet: who cares? :-) |
| 14:08.47 | Iridos | jelly-home, hmmm, then there should be a bug. Make any sense of the compiler error? http://paste.debian.net/163320/ looks to me as if either the real error message isn't included, or it's the /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real.... line |
| 14:08.51 | Woet | N1x_: the channel operators. |
| 14:08.57 | mooglenorph | lihongwu: yes |
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| 14:09.25 | N1x_ | Woet: ;-) |
| 14:10.49 | jelly-home | Iridos: no, but I see vbox and that v4l thing succeeded where fglrx failed |
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| 14:11.01 | floh` | hi |
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| 14:12.06 | Iridos | jelly-home, "vbox and that v4l thing"? |
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| 14:12.51 | Iridos | oh, it is that line... it's just so long, I didn't see the interesting part... |
| 14:12.54 | Iridos | /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/10-9/build/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC4) to format elf64-x86-64 (/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/10-9/build/fglrx.o) is not supported |
| 14:12.57 | jelly-home | Iridos: lines 189-193 |
| 14:13.41 | Iridos | yeah |
| 14:13.55 | Iridos | that's curious |
| 14:13.56 | jelly-home | Iridos: so it's not a general issue with amd64. It's just fglrx. |
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| 14:15.06 | Iridos | but the error says it is... :Relocatable linking [...] from format elf32-i386 [...] to format elf64-x86-64 [...] is not supported |
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| 14:16.17 | Iridos | although I cannot explain why the other 2 manage the same trick, then |
| 14:16.39 | jelly-home | Iridos: it's fglrx specific. Maybe it's trying to use the 32bit BLOB where there's a 64bit alternative. Maybe its build process is buggy. |
| 14:16.42 | floh` | i'm trying to play videos with VLC under debian squeeze, however i'm getting no image |
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| 14:17.03 | floh` | instead, vls generating lots of [swscaler @ meh] bad dst image pointers error messages |
| 14:17.29 | floh` | audio works. when using that ascii-art-output driver, i'm getting something which could be a image. |
| 14:17.42 | jelly-home | Iridos: send a radeon card over and I'll try to reproduce. |
| 14:18.16 | floh` | using any kind of x-output, however, generates these errors. |
| 14:18.27 | Iridos | ha |
| 14:18.43 | floh` | [swscaler @ 0x8e4b3c0] pal8 is not supported as output pixel format |
| 14:18.43 | floh` | [0x8b8267c] swscale scale error: could not init SwScaler and/or allocate memory |
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| 14:18.49 | floh` | might be interesting as well |
| 14:19.06 | Iridos | jelly-home, I wonder if I dare take the one from testing |
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| 14:20.17 | floh` | mplayer is able to play these files back, and vlc on another machine with another distro does as well |
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| 14:20.38 | Iridos | jelly-home, aha: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636055 |
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| 14:21.44 | jelly-home | .pal Iridos |
| 14:21.50 | jelly-home | waaaaait |
| 14:21.52 | jelly-home | !pal Iridos |
| 14:21.53 | dpkg | points at Iridos and laughs |
| 14:22.02 | Iridos | !pal jelly-home |
| 14:22.02 | dpkg | points at jelly-home and laughs |
| 14:22.22 | Iridos | well... seems he doesn't like the ugl^Wmix you're running |
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| 14:23.02 | jelly-home | wfm! |
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| 14:23.16 | Iridos | so I better forget about running a 64bit kernel |
| 14:23.23 | Iridos | or I'd need to reconfigure for radeon |
| 14:23.40 | Iridos | which I'm not too keen on, this has worked ok |
| 14:24.23 | jelly-home | you could set up an amd64 chroot and build the driver in there. Whether it'll know how to talk to its 32bit userspace libraries is another issue |
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| 14:24.44 | Iridos | jelly-home, seems to be mainly a problem of the maintainer, who doesn't like this kinda thing and doesn't want to do all the fiddly things to get it working |
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| 14:24.58 | jelly-home | s/want/know/ |
| 14:25.36 | Iridos | I mean... if it works with nvidia... I don't see that that's a substantially different situation |
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| 14:27.15 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12260992 Nov 17 04:27 nv-kernel.o.i386 |
| 14:27.16 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16662408 Nov 17 02:39 nv-kernel.o.x86_64 |
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| 14:28.17 | jelly-home | now, if you have a suitable x86_64 blob, try putting it in the right place |
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| 14:29.33 | Iridos | i do not :) |
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| 14:29.55 | Iridos | anyway, I don't know how to do all the fiddly things needed |
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| 14:30.02 | jelly-home | that sounds substantially different to me |
| 14:30.20 | Iridos | and perhaps the difference is that nvidia tried to support that, ati did not |
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| 14:30.59 | Iridos | 64-bit kernel-module need to speak to 32-bit xorg driver? |
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| 14:47.41 | sunbeam | does anyone know how I can set no timeout for my pure ftpd server? |
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| 14:55.27 | cheetzz | hi |
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| 14:58.43 | karl_k | hi all, does anyone know if there is a lenny update to samba fixing CVE-2012-1182 ? |
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| 15:03.04 | jelly-home | lenny has had no support since February, karl_k |
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| 15:04.56 | EdePopede | do i need some special packages to use the microphone? or is it enough to put all up in alsamixer? oh, and is there something like the windows soundrecorder? just to test if recording (in fact the mic) works at all |
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| 15:07.04 | Elwon | Hi, I'm running up to date Debian Squeeze (stable) on a laptop with Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E using the r8169 driver. My wireless is working fine but the ethernet won't connect. It's being detected and shows as eth0, but no matter what I do I can't even get the lights on the connection to so much as flash, let alone connect. |
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| 15:07.42 | Elwon | I've ruled out the cable as a problem. |
| 15:08.24 | Elwon | If anyone has any idea's i'd be more than grateful :) |
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| 15:08.42 | format_c | replace the cable |
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| 15:09.40 | lebek | why should `mkdir jail && cp /bin/ls jail && sudo chroot jail ls` fail with "chroot: failed to run command `ls': No such file or directory" on a clean install? |
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| 15:10.34 | karl_k | jelly-home: i know, but giving the severity of the bug i hoped someone would build a package, especially as the patches seem to be available |
| 15:10.38 | Elwon | If anyone has any idea's I haven't already tried,... i'd be more than grateful :) |
| 15:10.44 | Elwon | :P |
| 15:10.56 | jelly-home | !tell karl_k about package rebuild |
| 15:11.17 | karl_k | i tried and failed... |
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| 15:12.41 | cheetzz | is listening to: " - " |
| 15:13.00 | jelly-home | karl_k: you might consider hiring a consultant if you need to keep old systems afloat |
| 15:13.23 | jelly-home | or upgrade to squeeze as soon as possible |
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| 15:13.41 | karl_k | thanks for your advice |
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| 15:14.41 | jelly-home | lenny-backports used to have 3.5.6, I guess it shouldn't be too hard to apply the latest squeeze patch to that |
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| 15:27.18 | GNU\colossus | mooglenorph, man setfont |
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| 15:36.31 | nsadmin | so the new update wants to offer me the next 2.6.32-5 and I'm not running that kernel at all... if I were to remove that kernel would another try at the update fail to include the older kernel? |
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| 15:38.53 | jelly-home | nsadmin: yes. |
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| 15:54.10 | froginvasion | i've got some problems with jack server. at first any music player gave errors (not fatal) that jack server was not running, so i installed jack, started it using "jackd -R -d alsa". the same problem occurs (no music) but no 'no jack server running' message anymore. though aqualung, a player that is recommended to test jack playback is justrunning fine... |
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| 15:54.17 | froginvasion | (running #! with debian testing repo) |
| 15:55.12 | sunbeam | does anyone know how I can set no timeout for my pure ftpd server? |
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| 15:57.06 | gjergj | hello |
| 15:59.04 | allorder | sunbeam: did you try to edit /etc/conf.d/pure-ftpd and set timeout to 0 ? |
| 15:59.06 | nsadmin | sunbeam, there's no documentation for pureftod? |
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| 16:00.25 | gjergj | i need help to instal xfce in compaq d510 |
| 16:01.25 | nsadmin | why does it matter what kind of computer? what os are you running? |
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| 16:01.50 | gjergj | just installed debian basic |
| 16:02.02 | gjergj | annd updatedupgrated |
| 16:02.11 | gjergj | fresh |
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| 16:04.01 | ompaul | !tell gjergj about install xfce |
| 16:04.19 | ompaul | gjergj: please read message from bot thanks |
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| 16:05.03 | gjergj | ompaul: tnx m8t |
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| 16:05.20 | ompaul | gjergj: for every "ask me" line the bot says you need to /msg dpkg install x or whatever it is :) |
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| 16:06.23 | gjergj | aaight |
| 16:07.07 | sunbeam | allorder: didnt know there was the conf file |
| 16:07.15 | sunbeam | allorder: how can i find the main conf file for a package? |
| 16:07.43 | sunbeam | allorder: /etc/conf.d/pure-ftpd doesnt exist |
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| 16:09.12 | gjergj | i have ac.milan 97 soundcard is the driver package alsa ? |
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| 16:10.06 | allorder | sunbeam: /etc/proftpd.conf ? |
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| 16:16.31 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 16:16.44 | dark-sun | hi everybody |
| 16:17.20 | dark-sun | i'm seeing some packages here at "http://packages.debian.org/" but they're not in my synaptic |
| 16:17.21 | Maiku-kun | where is the history file for mc now? it was transferred from ~/.mc/history somewhere after update.. |
| 16:17.34 | dark-sun | what repository should I add? |
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| 16:19.01 | dark-sun | any body?? |
| 16:19.34 | gjergj | yes how i can serv |
| 16:19.36 | jelly-home | dark-sun: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 16:19.38 | gjergj | sir |
| 16:19.44 | jelly-home | !tell dark-sun about paste |
| 16:20.05 | dark-sun | dpkg✪ I know about it |
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| 16:20.19 | jelly-home | I see you also know about UTF-8! |
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| 16:20.32 | gjergj | sir dark-sun how i can serv? |
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| 16:20.36 | Maiku-kun | does anybody know about mc settings? |
| 16:21.19 | dark-sun | gjergj✪ what? are you a bot too? |
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| 16:22.29 | gjergj | i was thinking .. |
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| 16:22.43 | ompaul | gjergj: don't it will hurt ;-) |
| 16:22.44 | dark-sun | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/931276/ |
| 16:22.52 | dark-sun | ompaul✪ :D |
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| 16:23.26 | ompaul | dark-sun: line 20 missing contrib |
| 16:23.26 | jelly-home | dark-sun: you don't have any deb line for normal mirror. |
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| 16:23.49 | ompaul | woops forget that I read that as debian.net oh well |
| 16:23.55 | dark-sun | jelly✪ what's that? |
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| 16:24.18 | ompaul | dark-sun: line 13 |
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| 16:24.31 | gjergj | :) |
| 16:24.33 | ompaul | 14 also |
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| 16:25.02 | gjergj | where is linus torvalds |
| 16:25.05 | jelly-home | dark-sun: it means a) don't listen to ompaul, he needs newer glasses, and b) uncomment line 14 |
| 16:25.17 | dark-sun | :D |
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| 16:25.33 | gjergj | he can come and fix my linux |
| 16:25.35 | ompaul | jelly-home: accurate in a ... I'll go sit in the corner |
| 16:26.12 | dark-sun | i update it |
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| 16:26.40 | jelly-home | dark-sun: have fun with testing. If anything breaks, don't come crying! |
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| 16:27.04 | dark-sun | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/nonfree/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80] |
| 16:27.10 | dark-sun | :S |
| 16:27.13 | luxius | Hello. So I found out my box drops eth0 and reconnects it using DHCP. I have hard coded it once, so it initially uses 192.168.1.100, but suddenly it decides to reconnect and use DHCP. Now ... |
| 16:27.19 | dark-sun | may i cry now? |
| 16:27.21 | dark-sun | :D |
| 16:27.26 | luxius | I found out it was set to DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces ... changed that to static |
| 16:27.39 | jelly-home | dark-sun: you do have lots of other crap in that sources.list, but it won't break things... much |
| 16:27.43 | luxius | but WHERE does it "circumvent" this setting and use the DHCP I earlier setup? |
| 16:27.49 | jelly-home | !tell dark-sun about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:27.51 | luxius | errr, use the static IP* |
| 16:27.59 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 16:28.23 | ompaul | dark-sun: no you were told to ignore my lack of new glasses line 13 needs # that is all that means |
| 16:28.27 | luxius | wait |
| 16:28.36 | luxius | I'm in the wrong place again O.o |
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| 16:28.40 | ompaul | luxius: this is #debian - you need ... |
| 16:28.48 | luxius | yeah, got it :P |
| 16:28.52 | ompaul | bye |
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| 16:28.59 | dark-sun | dpkg✪ tell me stupid bot! |
| 16:29.11 | ompaul | dark-sun: read a message from the bot |
| 16:29.29 | jelly-home | there's no message. People using testing should know what to do themselves |
| 16:29.33 | dark-sun | ompaul✪ he does'nt talk, maybe he's angry at me |
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| 16:30.46 | dark-sun | cries... |
| 16:31.08 | nsadmin | dpkg, bot? |
| 16:31.09 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:31.11 | ompaul | dark-sun: you are trying to use testing, testing is not released software, I told you to put the # back in 13 as did jelly-home and then go again - however you missed this |
| 16:31.40 | dark-sun | ompaul✪ all right, thank you |
| 16:31.44 | ompaul | dark-sun: you basically are messing with something designed to break on a regular basis |
| 16:32.27 | ompaul | dark-sun: and when it breaks you get to keep the pieces or fix it and if you stuck to stable it most likely would not happen |
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| 16:32.55 | dark-sun | ompaul✪ i know, I'm facing with a couple of bug wit X already, but it's ok, i'll stay alive |
| 16:33.02 | luxius | "something designed to break on a regular basis" - never heard about coders going that way, but hey ... |
| 16:33.21 | nsadmin | essentially, by using testing or unstable, you agree to let us assume you are not a newbie |
| 16:33.21 | sunbeam | allorder: pureftpd |
| 16:33.33 | ompaul | luxius: as I said, #ubuntu is ever so much not here |
| 16:33.37 | sunbeam | Does anyone know if/how i can set pureftpd to NOT timeout? |
| 16:33.47 | luxius | ompaul, shut up, zealot |
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| 16:34.03 | ompaul | luxius: get a dictionary I am no zealot |
| 16:34.13 | luxius | pfft |
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| 16:34.34 | luxius | I don't need a dictionary, thank you very much, I used the correct word. |
| 16:35.23 | nsadmin | luxius, then the correct word for what you do and what you are is "troll"? |
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| 16:35.26 | ompaul | the bliss of watching the ignorant in persuit of not getting called a troll |
| 16:35.43 | nsadmin | too late for that :P |
| 16:35.44 | luxius | I eat trolls |
| 16:35.49 | ompaul | nsadmin: :) |
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| 16:36.49 | nsadmin | luxius, so if you keep it peaceful and without attitude, I don't mind if you're present even if you don't run debian |
| 16:37.07 | ompaul | found the /ignore |
| 16:37.22 | luxius | is more happy with ompaul's solution |
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| 16:49.00 | luxius | while trying to mock me for using Ubuntu someone did mention /etc/network/interfaces. Brought me a solution, it seems. |
| 16:49.05 | luxius | Thanks for that ... |
| 16:49.26 | luxius | I guess there are _some_ similarities between the two distributions |
| 16:49.48 | ironm | luxius, debian and ubuntu are nearly the same ;) |
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| 16:49.57 | luxius | that's what I claim |
| 16:49.58 | luxius | then I get mocked |
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| 16:50.28 | robin_debspace | Hi all. I've been running Debian Squeeze for quite a while now and really really enjoy using it, and I'd like to setup a Debian mirror in order to help redistributing debian-related files and packages. So, I've followed all the steps in the Wiki, downloaded the ftpsync tarball, set up everything according to the readme file, but now when i attempt to launch the script using ./ftpsync i get: @ERROR: Unknown module 'ftp' |
| 16:50.28 | robin_debspace | rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1524) [Receiver=3.0.7] |
| 16:50.40 | ironm | luxius, ubuntu bases on debian ... however in the meantime ubuntu has achieved some additional progress |
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| 16:50.49 | robin_debspace | can anyone in here possibly help me to fix this? :-) |
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| 16:51.17 | luxius | ironm, additional progress with questionable stability ... |
| 16:51.25 | ironm | robin_debspace, you can use ftp instead of rsync |
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| 16:52.07 | luxius | ironm, I'm half-way in between. I like added features like Shockwave Flash, drivers from the manufacturer, etc. - don't care much about licenses, anyway |
| 16:52.19 | cwillu | luxius, using debian hasn't exactly saved me the disruption of gnome3 :p |
| 16:52.33 | luxius | ironm, at the same time I like the strict ways of debian, as long as it doesn't go all monestary-like ... |
| 16:52.46 | robin_debspace | ironm But isn't it advisable to use rsync for stability reasons? And in this case, how could I get the ftpsync script to use FTP instead of rsync? |
| 16:52.55 | luxius | cwillu, did you use STABLE distro? ;) |
| 16:53.21 | SgrA | I want to connect my laptop to my router through USB. |
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| 16:53.31 | SgrA | Don't find many good results on Googl. |
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| 16:54.05 | ironm | cwillu, real hackers use awesome and not gnome or kde ;) ... e.g. http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/debian-live/binary-hybrid-wheezy-amd64-syslinux-awesome.iso |
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| 16:54.24 | cwillu | ironm, sorry, what's linus using these days again? |
| 16:54.43 | SgrA | Its more about using what you're comfortable with. |
| 16:54.53 | cwillu | (also, I rather hate awesome) |
| 16:55.02 | SgrA | I use wmii. o_o |
| 16:55.05 | SgrA | On Arch Linux |
| 16:55.46 | ironm | cwillu, I don't want to miss awesome in my daily work .. the most effective WM I have ever used |
| 16:56.02 | cwillu | entirely fails to care |
| 16:56.10 | grobda24 | Hello. I want to upgrade from Squeezy to Sid. Is it advisable to do a fresh install of Sid ? I only just installed Squeeze so I would not lose many settings. |
| 16:56.17 | luxius | is still confused about windows managers ... |
| 16:56.34 | ironm | why luxius ? |
| 16:56.35 | luxius | I use xcfe, but that's just part of it, right? Gnome on top, right? |
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| 16:57.15 | cwillu | luxius, it uses xfwm4 as its window manager |
| 16:57.22 | cwillu | I believe this may be a fork of metacity, not sure |
| 16:57.40 | ironm | luxius, it is more like everyone uses xorgs with lxde, kde, gnome, xfce or awesome on top .. |
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| 16:58.17 | luxius | thanks, ironm, that clarifies a bit |
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| 16:58.39 | luxius | so KDE and Gnome has a lot of software bundles, but those are not dependant on the WM? |
| 16:58.41 | robin_debspace | ironm: Of course I don't know how much experience you have with Debian mirroring… But if you know how to get this to work over FTP, would you mind pointing me in the right direction? Really would like to get this to work. |
| 16:58.57 | luxius | Some are, I suppose? |
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| 16:59.20 | abrotman | robin_debspace: are you going to make this a public mirror, or just for your use? |
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| 16:59.46 | ironm | robin_debspace, there are some tools .. I would tend to use apt-mirror |
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| 17:00.00 | robin_debspace | abrotman: I'm planning to make it a public, registered mirror. |
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| 17:00.23 | abrotman | robin_debspace: there's a HOWTO on the mirrors page, also listing storage and bandwidth requirements |
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| 17:02.14 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Yeah, I know, that's what I was using to get started in the first place, the Wiki page advises you to go download a tarball containing some scripts which you then configure according to your needs. I've now done that to my best knowledge, but it's not working just yet. |
| 17:02.57 | ironm | robin_debspace, another package would be debmirror |
| 17:03.29 | robin_debspace | ironm: Hmm OK, never heard of that one before, it's not mentioned on the Wiki page… Can you also configure and use that to create a public mirror? |
| 17:04.08 | ironm | no idea robin_debspace .. with sure for your private mirror |
| 17:04.14 | grobda24 | I notice the manual says something about this - here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_system_wide_upgrade |
| 17:04.20 | pbase | I am amazed by jigdo format. I think every big file should be shared this way. wonderful concept |
| 17:04.23 | robin_debspace | OK, will check them out! Just for reference, I was using the steps described at http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror.en.html to set this up |
| 17:04.28 | abrotman | grobda24: why do you want to use sid ? |
| 17:04.37 | grobda24 | But how serious a consideration is it ? |
| 17:04.57 | grobda24 | abrotman, for latest version of LiVES 1.6.1 (vj'ing/video editor) |
| 17:05.00 | f8l | pbase: It is, but not every file can be shared this way. |
| 17:05.12 | grobda24 | The version is squeeze crshes if I go into fullscreen |
| 17:05.24 | abrotman | grobda24: are you using nvidia/ati binary drives? |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | drivers |
| 17:05.40 | grobda24 | I did a lot of checking and it appears to be LiVES ... eg. mplayer goes into fullscreen ok using SDL (LiVES uses SDL for fullscreen) |
| 17:05.47 | grobda24 | abrotman, nvidia |
| 17:05.51 | abrotman | grobda24: a smarter choice would be to use wheezy, not sid |
| 17:05.53 | grobda24 | nvidia binary |
| 17:06.03 | pbase | grobda24: isn't lives a video editor? |
| 17:06.23 | grobda24 | abrotman, oh, I see :) |
| 17:06.42 | grobda24 | Sorry new to Debian so not quite au'fai with the suites yet |
| 17:07.04 | grobda24 | Wheezy is further down stream than Sid, right ? |
| 17:07.07 | abrotman | grobda24: we can't stop you from using sid .. but the general warning is "It's called unstable for a reason" |
| 17:07.24 | robin_debspace | ironm: OK, gonna give aptitude-mirror a try. I mean, as long as it properly syncs with another mirror it's gonna work just fine, as the actual sharing of files is done through my FTP server anyway I guess. |
| 17:07.41 | grobda24 | abrotman, no, I've got it now. Thanks. Wheezy is da one. |
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| 17:07.58 | abrotman | !tell grobda24 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:08.28 | grobda24 | pbase, yes, basically |
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| 17:08.40 | pbase | grobda24: have you tried pitivi? |
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| 17:08.58 | abrotman | or kdenlive |
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| 17:10.08 | grobda24 | I might if LiVES does not live up to what I want |
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| 17:10.36 | pbase | I have used both and can suggest the better one based on your requirement |
| 17:10.55 | grobda24 | pbase, ok, well it's for live VJ'ing |
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| 17:12.11 | ironm | abrotman, hi. Do you know if there is a simple way to create (off-line) a debian install repository using iso images as input? (mounted iso has a bit different structure as native install repository ) |
| 17:13.21 | pbase | ironm: I suppose aptoncd is near to what you want but not sure of the structure part |
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| 17:13.36 | abrotman | ironm: you don't want to use the CDs, but you have the ISOs ? |
| 17:14.24 | pbase | ironm: you can unzip the iso images to extract the packages.. |
| 17:14.42 | ironm | yes abrotman |
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| 17:15.11 | ironm | pbase, thank you for the hint. can I use it offline with iso files as input? |
| 17:15.12 | abrotman | !tell ironm about reprepro |
| 17:15.13 | abrotman | ironm: maybe ? |
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| 17:15.55 | ironm | thanks a lot abrotman :) |
| 17:16.00 | gjergj | is there any non x radioplayer |
| 17:16.12 | abrotman | gjergj: radio? like a tuner card? or mp3 player? |
| 17:16.28 | gjergj | nline radio |
| 17:16.37 | abrotman | so a stream |
| 17:16.48 | gjergj | yes |
| 17:17.04 | jelly-home | gjergj: vlc-nox, mplayer, probably most audio mp3 players |
| 17:17.29 | gnarface | maybe even xmms2? |
| 17:17.30 | ironm | pbase, I will check aptoncd |
| 17:17.31 | gnarface | who knows! |
| 17:17.31 | pbase | ironm: no aptoncd creates the iso's from the installed packages |
| 17:17.38 | ironm | oh |
| 17:17.42 | jelly-home | gnarface: it has an x in its name! |
| 17:17.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: so does vlc-nox ? :) |
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| 17:18.17 | jelly-home | but this one isn't called noxmms2 |
| 17:18.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:18.44 | gnarface | it should be |
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| 17:22.16 | pbase | Can I have a common home partition for various distros installed on a system? Which way is better to install distros to try - virtual box or native install on a partition? |
| 17:22.44 | abrotman | pbase: you *can*, but differences in config files may cause you pretty severe issues |
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| 17:24.36 | pbase | abrotman: how to share data between distros then? |
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| 17:24.55 | abrotman | data? just use a shared mount point |
| 17:24.56 | ironm | pbase, I guess a common data partition makes more sense |
| 17:26.03 | pbase | thanks |
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| 17:29.12 | pbase | one thing I really don't like about debian is that it integrates deeply some graphics app - like empathy evolution and so on. Why is something I would love to know? |
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| 17:29.46 | pbase | sorry I should write gnome desktop environment |
| 17:30.27 | abrotman | pbase: many distros do this |
| 17:30.32 | pbase | why! |
| 17:30.38 | abrotman | pbase: but Debian doesn't prefer one WM over another |
| 17:31.14 | valdyn | pbase: whats wrong with integration? |
| 17:31.35 | pbase | valdyn: one cannot remove them |
| 17:31.47 | valdyn | pbase: thats wrong, you can remove them |
| 17:32.25 | pbase | valdyn: how? |
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| 17:32.42 | valdyn | pbase: like any other program |
| 17:32.44 | pbase | the dependencies don't allow them to be removed without removing the core nome env |
| 17:32.55 | valdyn | pbase: thats wrong |
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| 17:33.34 | abrotman | !tell pbase about unmarkauto |
| 17:33.50 | abrotman | pbase: another optoin is to use smaller metapackages |
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| 17:34.40 | Jayflux | don't suppose anyone could help with this error: No ionCube loader for PHP version 5.4 found in file |
| 17:35.18 | valdyn | Jayflux: what does this have to do with debian? |
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| 17:36.25 | Jayflux | valdyn how can i apt-get php 5.3 im on 5.4 and would like to roll back. |
| 17:36.46 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 17:36.46 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:36.59 | abrotman | Jayflux: where did oyu get 5.4 from ? |
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| 17:37.52 | Jayflux | abrotman no idea must have come from the dotdeb repository. I left it as stable squeeze though so no idea how 5.4 got downloaded |
| 17:38.25 | abrotman | walks away from dotdeb |
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| 17:39.38 | pbase | well thanks.. there is something I want to say though. I ended up removing around 80mb of apps installed by default on the fresh debian install. Why can't debian offer options on the webpage itself to choose packages for inclusion in the iso which I want. this will save b/w for the servers too |
| 17:40.23 | ompaul | !base install |
| 17:40.24 | dpkg | The term "base install" is often debated: if you don't select anything at the <tasksel> stage, you will end up with a very minimal system that will be missing many tools you would expect to find (at, less, file, ...). Selecting the <standard task> at the tasksel stage is highly recommended to provide you with the standard tools that should live on any unix-like machine. Also ask me about <minimal install>. |
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| 17:40.48 | abrotman | pbase: uhm, your inexperience with Debian is an issue for you .. people that have used debian for awhile don't install the way you do |
| 17:40.49 | ompaul | pbase: ^^ then you can do what you want, if that is too much for you, maybe you need to build a distro from scratch |
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| 17:40.51 | majuscule | Does anyone know what user apache2 runs as or how I can figure that out? |
| 17:40.56 | arietis | is there any way to check which mirror have lowest ping/highest update speed? |
| 17:40.57 | abrotman | majuscule: in Debian ? |
| 17:41.00 | arietis | except manual one |
| 17:41.06 | majuscule | abrotman: yep |
| 17:41.07 | abrotman | !tell arietis about apt-spy |
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| 17:41.16 | abrotman | arietis: but generally, pick the one nearest you |
| 17:41.33 | abrotman | majuscule: did you look in the apache2.conf ? (i think that's the right file) |
| 17:42.37 | majuscule | abrotman: i actually figured it out with a quick look through /etc/shadow (www-data), but I was wondering if there's an easier way for an arbitrary process |
| 17:42.43 | pbase | !minimal install |
| 17:42.44 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>. |
| 17:42.44 | majuscule | oh duh, i can just use ps |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | pbase: you can msg the bot |
| 17:43.08 | ompaul | pbase: you can do /msg dpkg minimal install ;-) |
| 17:43.17 | pbase | :-) |
| 17:43.36 | majuscule | How can I check the original ownership and permissions of a file owned by a package? |
| 17:43.48 | abrotman | majuscule: get the package and extract it |
| 17:44.05 | majuscule | eww really? apt can't handle that? |
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| 17:44.28 | abrotman | patches welcome |
| 17:44.44 | abrotman | it can verify contents, not ownership |
| 17:44.52 | ompaul | majuscule: dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/testing/grounds/ |
| 17:45.16 | majuscule | ompaul: thanks |
| 17:45.28 | majuscule | abrotman: if i ever get the time, i'd love to try |
| 17:45.46 | ompaul | majuscule: and as abrotman aid - patch it and pass on the patches that looks like a slick thing |
| 17:45.51 | pbase | ok ompaul, abrotman, I think I did the minimal install and then chose the gnome desktop environment. that installed gnome games, and several other applications which I never use. How do I choose specific apps in gnome env at the time of installation |
| 17:46.00 | abrotman | majuscule: you'd have to either keep a file on the OS to do that, or a database, or have the tool download the package |
| 17:46.15 | abrotman | pbase: in general, you don't ... you use aptitude after the install |
| 17:46.31 | majuscule | abrotman: any chance you know how dpkg handles storing the permissions? |
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| 17:46.44 | abrotman | majuscule: i just said, it doesn't .. you'd have to create a method |
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| 17:48.09 | abrotman | majuscule: might be an interesting project .. we've had a fair number of people ruin a system by changing permissions on stuff .. |
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| 17:49.15 | majuscule | abrotman: sorry i mispoke, i meant how it handles storing the hashes of files, as ompaul mentioned with `dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/file` |
| 17:49.33 | abrotman | majuscule: you're extracting the .deb file to manually inspect the files in question |
| 17:49.46 | majuscule | oh oh oh |
| 17:49.47 | majuscule | i see |
| 17:49.54 | ompaul | majuscule: -x is a testing -i is an install |
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| 17:50.15 | gjergj | im trying to install X and its asking a cd-rom |
| 17:50.16 | ompaul | majuscule: -x wants a specific destination -i is bog standard install |
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| 17:50.25 | gjergj | media |
| 17:50.29 | abrotman | gjergj: edit your sources.list ... comment out the CDROM lines |
| 17:50.32 | majuscule | yeah i see now, i didn't realize that foo.deb was ./foo.deb, thought it was pkgname(:?.deb) |
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| 17:50.37 | ompaul | gjergj: /etc/apt/sources.list is the file |
| 17:50.38 | abrotman | gjergj: then aptitude update, try agian |
| 17:50.44 | majuscule | whoops (.deb)? |
| 17:51.00 | pbase | gjergj: I had the same issue. did exactly above ^^ and it fixed |
| 17:51.18 | ompaul | majuscule: it is ?.deb so you seem to be on some ... communication problem |
| 17:51.32 | ompaul | or having one tbh |
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| 17:53.49 | majuscule | ompaul: oh, so you specify the pkgname to dpkg, it downloads the package, extracts, and checks the permissions? |
| 17:53.59 | ompaul | majuscule: no |
| 17:54.04 | majuscule | ahh |
| 17:54.08 | ompaul | part one is correct |
| 17:54.08 | majuscule | contents |
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| 17:54.15 | majuscule | i'm so sorry don't know what's with me |
| 17:54.19 | gjergj | abrotman: deleted all cd-ro sources |
| 17:54.24 | gjergj | m |
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| 17:55.19 | ompaul | majuscule: look in /var/cache/apt/archives cp something to your desktop make a dir called blerg on the desktop do dpkg something.deb blerg/ |
| 17:55.21 | gjergj | abrotman: works |
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| 17:55.33 | abrotman | you were skeptical ? |
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| 17:55.45 | ompaul | majuscule: if you don't have the package you want to investigate go to pool.debian.org or some local repo |
| 17:56.09 | ompaul | abrotman: magic blue smoke and serious mirrors business :) |
| 17:56.45 | gjergj | what i need to install to make my ipod working with deb |
| 17:57.08 | pbase | gjergj: ssh server on your device |
| 17:57.27 | ompaul | to make an ssh server apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 17:58.01 | ompaul | pbase: not all $users should install ssh servers after all not all $users use passwords other than myname1 |
| 17:58.05 | ompaul | or whatever |
| 17:59.46 | pbase | gjergj: the default credentials for your device are root/alpine. (user is root so be careful) |
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| 18:00.01 | pbase | ompaul: only root? |
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| 18:00.59 | ompaul | pbase: you could test and know ;-) |
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| 18:01.20 | pbase | ompaul: ?? |
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| 18:02.18 | ompaul | if you had tried it out like I suggested you would have this error: dpkg: error: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | thinks ompaul is confused |
| 18:02.57 | ompaul | abrotman: would not be the first time |
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| 18:03.15 | gjergj | got x working |
| 18:03.48 | gjergj | lastt question for today |
| 18:03.59 | gjergj | have to remove installed progs :D |
| 18:04.25 | abrotman | gjergj: man aptitude |
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| 18:05.44 | ompaul | pbase: abrotman was right, I lost the sense of the question out there somewhere, care to ask it some other way? |
| 18:05.47 | pbase | ompaul: I am sorry most of the stuff went overhead.. |
| 18:05.57 | abrotman | ompaul: you got lines crossed |
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| 18:06.54 | ompaul | pbase: where you said only root what did you mean? |
| 18:06.56 | Big_Aziz | всем привет |
| 18:07.02 | gjergj | removed that vlc non x to hard 2 use |
| 18:07.05 | Big_Aziz | .учше |
| 18:07.06 | gjergj | :) |
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| 18:07.22 | pbase | I meant should only the root install it? |
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| 18:07.35 | abrotman | Big_Aziz: english here |
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| 18:07.40 | pbase | ompaul: |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | or not |
| 18:07.47 | ompaul | pbase: only root can install a system package |
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| 18:08.46 | pbase | ompaul: pbase: not all $users should install ssh servers after all not all $users use passwords other than myname1 |
| 18:08.48 | ompaul | pbase: even in the test situation, and what is worth knowing about that is that if you try as not root it will not install, please also note that if you try to install without root you get that message I gave earlier |
| 18:09.34 | ompaul | pbase: also I was suggesting you copy some file to the desktop, from /var/cache/apt/archives and try extracting it as not root ... :) you would have learned that way |
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| 18:10.09 | pbase | o. I got it nw.. you are talking about permissions right? |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | ompaul: you're still confused .. |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | ompaul: majuscule was the one asking about permissions |
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| 18:11.11 | ompaul | abrotman: yes, and I took it that pbase had an interest from the "cross checking" I was getting |
| 18:11.25 | pbase | lol mix up. sorry :-) |
| 18:11.26 | ompaul | so I think I leaped into the water and told nobody :-) |
| 18:11.49 | gjergj | thnx m8 4 help |
| 18:11.56 | gjergj | have a nice day |
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| 18:13.46 | pbase | abrotman: can you ask questions on debian.. something like a quiz? |
| 18:14.51 | abrotman | can i ask ? |
| 18:15.16 | pbase | yes! it will improve the general knowledge on debian .. atleast for me! |
| 18:15.54 | ompaul | pbase: stay here, help when you can fully, if you can't watch and research the answers, you will find your skills improve, it doesn't however cure madness |
| 18:16.01 | Maccer | Does the debian expert install shell have any disk utilities I can use? (I'm trying to make room for swap) |
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| 18:16.37 | ompaul | Maccer: yes, however just using the standard install will allow that also (step away from the gui ;-)) |
| 18:16.49 | Knaldgas | I have a CIFS share on a Samba, fstab'ed with "noauto,user", but user mount gives 'This program is not installed setuid root - "user" CIFS mounts not supported.' - I'm sure this worked a couple of weeks ago, but not now - Any hints? |
| 18:16.50 | pbase | ompaul: did you meant o call me mad? that was rude.. |
| 18:17.03 | ompaul | pbase: no, I am the mad one ... hang around and find out |
| 18:17.37 | Maccer | ompaul: Oh, but can the standard install allocate and use swap during the install? That's what I'm trying to do (mkswap, swapon) |
| 18:18.02 | ompaul | chroot style install in that case methinks |
| 18:18.09 | ompaul | !tell Maccer about install |
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| 18:18.40 | abrotman | pbase: yeah, you can ask questions of all of us .. |
| 18:18.43 | peterrooney | !Sunday |
| 18:18.46 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:18.55 | abrotman | pbase: but much is documented already .. would you rather be pointed at reference material ? |
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| 18:19.20 | ompaul | Maccer: swap is created during the install, I don't know if swapon is a good idea during the install however |
| 18:19.27 | ompaul | and I don't know if it happens |
| 18:19.50 | pbase | abrotman: quick q/a 's not references... simple tricks tips |
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| 18:21.09 | pbase | peterrooney: you are one of the users on a Sunday :P |
| 18:21.26 | ompaul | pbase: stay here, it is the best way to learn lots |
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| 18:23.36 | pbase | ompaul: any tips/tricks from you? |
| 18:23.54 | pbase | ofc till the time someone comes up for help |
| 18:24.24 | ompaul | pbase: sit here watch questions, the motivation is those that are asked most often are things you should know |
| 18:24.38 | ompaul | pbase: I'll have the bot send you some stuff I think is useful |
| 18:24.48 | pbase | ompaul: yes got it. |
| 18:25.22 | Maccer | Running 8/9/10MB off of boot from debian is pretty refereshing. Some how Slackware 4.0 manages 4MB though with similar drivers. |
| 18:25.35 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 18:25.44 | Maccer | (maybe they compiled everything in -Os in 1999?) |
| 18:26.07 | Maccer | *on boot |
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| 18:28.28 | bre | help your country in online game e-sim http://e-sim.org/lan.6740/ |
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| 18:28.44 | peterrooney | pbase: I've been here since thursday |
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| 18:29.08 | *** kick/#debian [bre!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 18:29.35 | pbase | peterrooney: then probably it is the day for super intellectuals! :P |
| 18:29.53 | bre | abor better what xDX |
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| 18:30.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 18:30.07 | abrotman | jeez .. |
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| 18:31.15 | pbase | can someone expand - rtfm ? |
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| 18:31.33 | boudiccas | pbase, read the flaming manual |
| 18:31.49 | pbase | ouch |
| 18:31.55 | abrotman | pbase: there's this thing we use.. google |
| 18:32.03 | Rydekull | pbase: Read The Fine Manual |
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| 18:33.57 | pbase | does dpkg get annoyed if I play with it? |
| 18:34.12 | Rydekull | pbase: not at all, if you send it a private message |
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| 18:34.44 | pbase | will it ban me for asking really stupid questions? |
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| 18:34.54 | Rydekull | no |
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| 18:35.01 | pbase | ty |
| 18:36.21 | abrotman | pbase: if you abuse it, you can be banned from using it |
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| 18:37.59 | pbase | abrotman: I like it!. the one who wrote it had a good taste.. is the code for dpkg opensource? |
| 18:38.10 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:39.06 | xbix | good night everyone. |
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| 18:39.36 | superuser_ir | who know this error in dist-upgarding debian 6 ((http://pastie.org/3793753)) |
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| 18:41.46 | xok | hello all... |
| 18:42.17 | Interretano | XOK! |
| 18:42.19 | Interretano | Where've you been? |
| 18:42.22 | xok | I have Debian squeeze, need to remove mono (and tomboy as well), but aptitude is trying to remove gnome as well... |
| 18:42.24 | Interretano | I missed you. |
| 18:42.30 | Interretano | Whoever you are. |
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| 18:43.20 | xok | any chance to remove mono but leave gnome?.. |
| 18:43.21 | pbase | !tell xok about unmarkauto |
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| 18:44.03 | xbix | xok: gnome is metapackage. |
| 18:44.04 | superuser_ir | who know this error in dist-upgarding debian 6 ((http://pastie.org/3793753)) |
| 18:44.24 | xok | pbase: I have used unmarkauto but no luck... |
| 18:44.33 | abrotman | superuser_ir: that's not an error |
| 18:44.51 | xok | pbase: I have used: aptitude unmarkauto gnome and then aptitude remove mono but it says the same... |
| 18:44.57 | superuser_ir | abrotman:what is it?' |
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| 18:45.24 | superuser_ir | abrotman: is it make me mistake? |
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| 18:45.53 | pbase | xok: ompaul_ or abrotman can help probably |
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| 18:46.03 | bitHipy_ | "aptitude remove virtualbox" is not working. It says it worked, but then "dpkg -l | grep virtualbox" shows the package was not removed |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | bitHipy_: what is the status ? |
| 18:46.33 | abrotman | superuser_ir: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:46.56 | ompaul_ | pbase: please don't suggest people, I was busy with stuff for a while |
| 18:47.04 | superuser_ir | abrotman: can u give me more detail? |
| 18:47.08 | bitHipy_ | abrotman: how do I get that? do you mean "aptitude show?" |
| 18:47.14 | abrotman | superuser_ir: can you type 'you'? |
| 18:47.15 | WuxiIxuw | now it is bare bone Operating System debian-6.0-x86-minimal on my vps ... how to get started to finish the setup of the vps and secure it and add a website? |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | bitHipy_: dpkg -l is showing you the status? |
| 18:47.37 | superuser_ir | abrotman: yes,sorry |
| 18:47.50 | bitHipy_ | abrotman: it just shows package name and version. in this case, version 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1 |
| 18:48.13 | abrotman | bitHipy_: the first column has two characters |
| 18:48.25 | xok | abrotman: can you help?... |
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| 18:48.37 | bitHipy_ | abrotman: ah, I see.. i was grepping on dpkg -l... the answer is => Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
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| 18:48.53 | abrotman | bitHipy_: so what is the status? rc? |
| 18:48.55 | bitHipy_ | abrotman: the two charactors in front is "rc" |
| 18:49.08 | abrotman | bitHipy_: that means "Removed/Conf-files" |
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| 18:49.27 | bitHipy_ | abrotman: meaning, removed but conf files remain? |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:49.37 | bitHipy_ | thanks |
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| 18:50.17 | abrotman | xok: does gnome depend on mono? |
| 18:50.18 | xok | abrotman: anything please?.. |
| 18:50.50 | xok | abrotman: well, the system says so, but I am not sure it is true.. |
| 18:51.08 | abrotman | xok: maybe you sohuld look at other metapackages also |
| 18:51.22 | xok | at least, I am trying to remove tomboy for example, it says I need to remove gnome as well... |
| 18:51.51 | xok | it says: tomboy depends on tomboy but that is not true.. |
| 18:52.11 | xok | of course gnome doesn't depend on tomboy... |
| 18:52.14 | abrotman | superuser_ir: do not msg me |
| 18:52.31 | abrotman | xok: are you sure about that? which versoin of Debian is this? |
| 18:52.38 | xok | squeeze.. |
| 18:52.46 | xok | I am sure gnome doesn't depend on tomboy... |
| 18:52.58 | xok | I mean gnome can function just fine without tomboy... |
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| 18:53.10 | abrotman | xok: but it does depend on it .. which is why i suggested you look at other metapackages |
| 18:53.20 | xok | tomboy is a software for managing the notes... nothing else.. |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | xok: i know what it is |
| 18:53.34 | abrotman | judd: depends gnome --release squeeze |
| 18:53.35 | judd | Package gnome in squeeze/i386 -- depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7), gdm3 | gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.30), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.30), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.14), gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.10), rhythmbox-plugins (>= 0.12.8) | banshee (>= 1.6), rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder (>= 0.12.8) | banshee (>= 1.6), synaptic (>= 0.63), system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0), |
| 18:53.36 | judd | totem-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, gedit-plugins, evolution-plugins (>= 2.30), evolution-exchange (>= 2.30) | evolution-mapi (>= 0.30), evolution-webcal (>= 2.28), software-center, gnome-codec-install, transmission-gtk, avahi-daemon, tomboy (>= 1.2) | gnote. |
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| 18:53.39 | abrotman | and there's tomboy |
| 18:53.47 | abrotman | or you can install gnote .. there you go |
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| 18:54.18 | xok | yeah, I am trying to install gnote now.. |
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| 18:54.51 | xok | abrotman: thank you very much, I am able to remove tomboy now.. |
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| 18:55.27 | superuser_ir | I want install one package from testing repos (only one package) , what can I do |
| 18:55.28 | superuser_ir | ? |
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| 18:56.56 | sm00x | install it? |
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| 18:58.32 | superuser_ir | if I add sid repos to sources.list ,it upgarde all package to testing mode(unstable) |
| 18:58.56 | ws2k3 | hello people. some package called mpt-statusd is everytimed trying so send a mail when a raid change occoured how can i stop it sending mails > |
| 18:59.03 | abrotman | superuser_ir: so don't do that |
| 18:59.20 | jelly-home | ws2k3: uninstall it? |
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| 18:59.39 | jelly-home | ws2k3: how will you know when a disk dies? |
| 18:59.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: data will be missing? :) |
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| 19:00.27 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.34 | ws2k3 | its a rented vps so thats not my problem the hosting company should be aware of this i awwume there hypervisuer has reportingand monitoring |
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| 19:00.59 | abrotman | superuser_ir: need? |
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| 19:01.32 | jelly-home | ws2k3: if it's a vm, the package will not be useful at all. |
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| 19:02.11 | superuser_ir | abrotman :requirement |
| 19:02.23 | ws2k3 | jellly and how sure u are i can remove the package |
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| 19:02.34 | abrotman | maybe your developers should have checked on the production system to see what was available |
| 19:02.52 | ws2k3 | because the last time i removed that package my debian wasnt booting anymore |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | no ... |
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| 19:03.02 | jelly-home | ws2k3: I find that highly unlikely. |
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| 19:04.30 | ws2k3 | isnt there a way i can sopt the emailing but not uninstalling it >? |
| 19:05.08 | jelly-home | sure, find what is sending them and disable it from running. |
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| 19:06.07 | xSmurf | if I run a script from udev, how can I have it wait in the background without having udev stop? |
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| 19:06.13 | kleanchap | Are there gnome desktop weather, clock type applets on Debian? |
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| 19:06.51 | abrotman | kleanchap: for gnome2 or gnome3 ? |
| 19:06.55 | kleanchap | Do I need a different window manager which has desktop applets? |
| 19:07.00 | kleanchap | gnome2 |
| 19:07.22 | abrotman | kleanchap: pretty sure that's in the gnome-applets package |
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| 19:09.12 | ws2k3 | from what i can see mpt-statusd is causing the message |
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| 19:10.33 | pbase | sorry but I think this is a must share line by dpkg - "The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!" |
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| 19:11.37 | rot | hi, how do i download sources with aptitude? |
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| 19:12.08 | abrotman | you can't |
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| 19:12.34 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.35 | rot | abrotman: how do i do it |
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| 19:12.47 | abrotman | rot: use apt-get |
| 19:13.00 | abrotman | superuser_ir: you can backport the package or recompile the squeeze package .. good luck |
| 19:13.45 | kleanchap | Sid == bleeding edge and Squeeze == stable Am I correct? |
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| 19:13.55 | abrotman | kleanchap: yes |
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| 19:14.20 | kleanchap | abrotman, Thnx |
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| 19:15.25 | superuser_ir | abrotman: please give me a detail ? :-/ |
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| 19:15.40 | abrotman | superuser_ir: sorry, you don't want my answers |
| 19:16.17 | pbase | superuser_ir: try sorry? |
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| 19:16.39 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 19:18.26 | Iridos | superuser_ir, /msg dpkg ssb or /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 19:18.40 | Iridos | you can always ask the bot, who is rarely ever sore |
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| 19:19.43 | abrotman | not sore, not interested in spoon feeding |
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| 19:20.14 | Iridos | well, whatever :) |
| 19:20.55 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.50 | bluenemo | hi guys, i want to find out what screen my thinkpad exactly has (how much nit to be exact), therefore i need to query for its exact name, do you know any good tools for that? lshw doesnt seem to display that |
| 19:27.34 | abrotman | !tell bluenemo about whats my hardware |
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| 19:28.09 | bluenemo | wow nice thank you! |
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| 19:34.08 | Iridos | I think you can disregard the "crack it open, oooh, broken" bit |
| 19:34.27 | abrotman | it is a thinkpad .. the monitor is attached .. |
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| 19:34.54 | Iridos | my point exactly :) |
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| 19:36.10 | bittin | the trunk kernel is kinda stable in DebianPPC :o |
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| 19:36.38 | bittin | the trunk kernel is kinda stable in DebianPPC :o |
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| 19:36.48 | Iridos | !echo |
| 19:36.49 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 19:36.50 | abrotman | so you said ... |
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| 19:38.20 | atrw | what is apache in user mode? |
| 19:38.30 | abrotman | what? |
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| 19:41.33 | Iridos | actually, can one stop chromium extensions from being active on certain sites/urls, if the extension itself doesn't offer a way to exclude them? |
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| 19:51.41 | ross` | what command/file lists all currently installed packages |
| 19:51.41 | ross` | ? |
| 19:51.53 | abrotman | !tell ross` about installed |
| 19:51.54 | Iridos | ross`, dpkg -l |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | Iridos: what about rc packages? |
| 19:52.29 | Iridos | they're also listed... but he didn't ask what lists _only_ installed packages |
| 19:52.45 | abrotman | all currently installed packages? |
| 19:52.54 | Iridos | they're all listed by dpkg -l |
| 19:54.00 | ross` | is ther a way to remove default installed packages from that list? |
| 19:54.17 | ross` | i purchased a vps host and i want to see exactly what they installed on it that is different from default installation |
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| 19:54.35 | Iridos | there is no "default installation" as such |
| 19:54.51 | ross` | well how do i list "installed" packages that were installed with apt-get install post installation |
| 19:54.53 | abrotman | ross`: you can remove "optional" packages |
| 19:54.54 | ross` | or w/e |
| 19:54.59 | abrotman | ross`: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 19:55.47 | GTRsdk | Can anyone help me with getting AJAX web chat to work on my webserver? I got phpmyadmin installed and then it seems to have been broken. |
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| 19:56.34 | Iridos | ross`, why do you want to do that? |
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| 19:58.10 | ompaul_ | ross`: go read the log files in /var/log/dpkg.log AND it's friends |
| 19:59.18 | ompaul_ | ross`: however if you do that be aware that ripping out stuff if you think it provides you with security will be thrown away by the fact it is their machine |
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| 20:04.52 | thepro4ever | how do i get the latest wine for debian lenny? |
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| 20:05.54 | abrotman | thepro4ever: a) you're not even running stable b) you'd have to compile it |
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| 20:07.31 | thepro4ever | a) "you're not even running stable" makes no sense to me, b) where can i get it |
| 20:07.32 | peterrooney | thepro4ever: you don't. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:10.08 | acemi | http://www.pdateknoloji.com/ uses debian logo |
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| 20:16.28 | valdyn | acemi: so? |
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| 20:17.29 | acemi | to inform the channel |
| 20:17.59 | valdyn | acemi: that swirl is free to use for anyone |
| 20:18.20 | valdyn | acemi: and people probably find it by googling for swirl pictures |
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| 20:19.01 | Iridos | well free similar to "GPL"-free |
| 20:19.21 | Iridos | GPL also places restrictions on use |
| 20:19.22 | acemi | i did't know free is ok for logo too |
| 20:19.27 | Iridos | http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 20:20.28 | Iridos | and I'm not sure what bits are trademarked... the page isn't so clear (to me) about it |
| 20:20.36 | Iridos | only the bottle + swirl? |
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| 20:21.07 | Iridos | ah, ok... only the one with bottle is "official" |
| 20:21.08 | abrotman | !tell acemi about debian logo |
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| 20:21.40 | anisfarhana | debian logo not found , please try again. |
| 20:22.00 | abrotman | !tell Iridos about foo bar baz |
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| 20:22.35 | Iridos | what about foo bar baz |
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| 20:22.42 | streuner | Gott im Himmel, dieser abrotman bringt mich zum Irrsinn |
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| 20:24.16 | anisfarhana | abrotman: the license logo , is it the bottle or what? |
| 20:24.30 | anisfarhana | tbh this is my first time see the debian 'bottle' |
| 20:24.31 | anisfarhana | lol |
| 20:25.22 | thepro4ever | what does it mean when the "dpkg" channel utility tells me to remove "backports" from my sources.list file |
| 20:25.25 | thepro4ever | what is a backport |
| 20:25.38 | dvs | !bdo |
| 20:25.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 20:25.39 | streuner | thepro4ever: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:25.44 | dvs | oops |
| 20:26.03 | thepro4ever | so remove any line with the word backport on it then? |
| 20:27.08 | dvs | thepro4ever: it usually refers to backports.debian.org |
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| 20:31.47 | thepro4ever | upgrading to sqeeze is scary |
| 20:31.53 | thepro4ever | i hope my system comes back up after reboot |
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| 20:32.22 | streuner | if its not a production system it should be easier... |
| 20:32.50 | streuner | but, if you running a production server, we recommend to read <release notes> |
| 20:33.00 | Iridos | acemi, also, http://wiki.debian.org/ProposedTrademarkPolicy |
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| 20:35.17 | cardamon | What package do I need for iceweasel to be able to run java applets? |
| 20:35.37 | streuner | cardamon: /msg dpkg java |
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| 20:35.49 | streuner | but keep in mind java is a bitch nowadays... |
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| 20:36.46 | thepro4ever | java is a bitch? please elaborate |
| 20:37.21 | streuner | there arent new packages for Linux... |
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| 20:37.50 | streuner | so, if you want run new stuff used in websites you have usually a problem... |
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| 20:37.52 | Iridos | oracle bought sun, then changed the license... so newer versions of java cannot be distributed anymore |
| 20:37.55 | craigevil | easy enough if you want Oracle's Java, since java-package made its way back into the repos |
| 20:37.59 | Iridos | this includes versions with security fixes |
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| 20:38.51 | Iridos | craigevil, ah |
| 20:39.09 | Iridos | I wondered if that would happen (or when) |
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| 20:39.48 | craigevil | yep its nice takes maybe 5 minutes including download time to install Oracle's Java |
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| 20:40.34 | craigevil | cardamon, if you want Oracle's Java instead of Openjdk take a look at : https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/howto-install-oracle-java-on-debian-34567/ |
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| 20:41.51 | streuner | craigevil: interesting |
| 20:42.37 | cardamon | craigevil: easy enough if you want Oracle's Java, since java-package made its way back into the repos <--as far as I can tell this isn't true. sun-java6-jdk is still in squeeze. That's it, and that hasn't changed in the 8 months I've been running debian. |
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| 20:42.58 | craigevil | bah who runs stable :) |
| 20:43.06 | cardamon | Not me. |
| 20:43.17 | Iridos | me! |
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| 20:43.33 | peterrooney | craigevil: anyone who values their time? |
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| 20:44.18 | rednovae | ok, i have a problem and can't seem to fix it, and my problem is with ntpdate |
| 20:44.25 | craigevil | peterrooney, havent had any issues on sid in forever, kde4, libreoffice from exp, running on an ancient Thinkpad R40 |
| 20:44.56 | cardamon | Ugh, the icedtea-plugin uses openjdk-6. |
| 20:44.59 | Iridos | rednovae, simple... don't use it, use ntp |
| 20:45.08 | Iridos | dpkg, tell rednovae about ntpdate |
| 20:45.30 | cardamon | Well, that's fine. I didn't want those 50MB anyway. |
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| 20:45.40 | rednovae | iridos ok thanks |
| 20:46.11 | cardamon | I'm doing my taxes and needed java for a form off my campus website. |
| 20:46.55 | streuner | cardamon: well, in this case i would think about 50MB then :-P |
| 20:47.43 | streuner | well, what other choice you have then? using windows? |
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| 20:48.04 | madsci44 | what are good pdf viewer alternatives to evince? |
| 20:48.16 | streuner | octave |
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| 20:48.25 | dvs | okular? |
| 20:48.30 | streuner | judd, info okular |
| 20:48.31 | judd | Package okular (graphics, optional) in squeeze/i386: universal document viewer. Version: 4:4.4.5-2; Size: 1071.5k; Installed: 3100k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/okular |
| 20:48.34 | streuner | sorry |
| 20:48.35 | cardamon | streuner: win7 in a VM. |
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| 20:48.47 | streuner | cardamon: sure |
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| 20:48.56 | madsci44 | cool, ill look those up thanks! |
| 20:49.00 | cardamon | epdfview has weird kerning issues whenever I print. Text runs together. |
| 20:49.06 | thepro4ever | soooo, i upgraded this pc from lenny to sqeeze, on reboot it says my x-server is not configured properly, i am some how logged into my terminal and could bring up irssi, save me!!!! |
| 20:49.09 | cardamon | So I always print from xpdf. |
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| 20:49.36 | streuner | cardamon: okular is much better, IMO |
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| 20:50.16 | thepro4ever | what can i try |
| 20:50.37 | cardamon | streuner: Yeah, but requires KDE. |
| 20:50.42 | dvs | thepro4ever: Look at the apache logs for starts |
| 20:51.04 | thepro4ever | dvs: what does apache have to do with x-server |
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| 20:51.17 | dvs | oh! |
| 20:51.22 | guardian | hi |
| 20:51.24 | dvs | smacks himself |
| 20:51.39 | guardian | how do i disable login for a user? same as if I created it using adduser —disabled-login |
| 20:51.44 | dvs | thepro4ever: The /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be better |
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| 20:52.14 | dvs | guardian: use "/bin/false" as a shell in the /etc/passwd file. |
| 20:52.54 | danand | hi all, any mac book pro (8,2) owners out there? |
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| 20:53.40 | madsci44 | trying to get something a little less clunky than xpdf, without heavy gnome/kde dependancies |
| 20:53.41 | dvs | !tell danand about ask |
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| 20:53.49 | guardian | dvs: is it a clean way to do it? |
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| 20:56.20 | thepro4ever | dvs, i'm back, at the very bottom of my Xorg.0.log file it says "Fatal Server Error, No Screens Found" |
| 20:56.22 | peterrooney | guardian: put a * in the password field |
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| 20:56.48 | guardian | peterrooney: is it the same as using passwd -l? |
| 20:57.09 | Iridos | clunky? |
| 20:57.36 | Iridos | dpkg, tell thepro4ever about no screens found |
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| 20:58.17 | danand | hi all, if there are any mac book pro (8,2) owners out there I would be very grateful if they could pastebin the output of lsinitramfs <path to their initramfs image>. I am having a bit of trouble with mine - fails to find root file system which is usually the result of a missing module... |
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| 20:58.58 | dvs | thepro4ever: Usually means that it can't find an appropriate resolution. Look for the string "(EE)" in the file. |
| 20:59.05 | peterrooney | guardian: pretty much |
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| 20:59.32 | thepro4ever | i'll logout and take another look, this would probably be easier if i could bring up iceweasel and surf the web but it won'tlet me |
| 20:59.59 | guardian | peterrooney: i don't really get the difference between passwd -d and passwd -l (apart that passwd -u reverts the lock) |
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| 21:00.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | I am using the cat command to glue together VOB files from some of my DVDs before I convert to MP4 and put them onto my NAS drive for media serving in the house. The cat command glues them all together yet takes a few minutes cause it makes a seperate copy of the data all glued together. Is there an option for cat or another command that will just glue together the files that are already on the drive instead of making a new copy of the s |
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| 21:03.47 | thepro4ever | dvs: ok so, i did find an EE message and it says "Failed to load Nvidia Driver Module" i think I need to get the latest driver from nvidia, which is rather hard to do since i can't bring up iceweasel to go to the nvidia website without some kind of display |
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| 21:04.23 | dvs | thepro4ever: I don't use nvidia so I can't help you there. |
| 21:06.40 | ix | thepro4ever: I download that driver with links/elinks all the time. Website works fine. |
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| 21:07.26 | thepro4ever | "links" is the command? |
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| 21:07.50 | thepro4ever | i'll try it |
| 21:08.01 | ix | Yes, it's a text mode browser. Available via apt. |
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| 21:08.46 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: you cannot glue several to one, but you can leave the first one in place |
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| 21:09.12 | danand | thepro4ever: could try wget... 32 bit link: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.40/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-295.40.run |
| 21:09.44 | abrotman | don't use that file |
| 21:09.52 | danand | thepro4ever: 64 bit link: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/295.40/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.40.run |
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| 21:09.59 | abrotman | don't use that file either |
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| 21:11.11 | abrotman | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 21:11.11 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 21:19.37 | Ali | i have a problem with removing phpmyadmin on squize |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | use a pastebin to show us |
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| 21:20.46 | Ali | #flood http://pastebin.com/zxsX9rpc |
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| 21:20.56 | Ali | http://pastebin.com/zxsX9rpc |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | create the file ? |
| 21:21.37 | abrotman | files |
| 21:22.18 | Ali | i want to remove phpmyadmin |
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| 21:22.57 | abrotman | i understand that |
| 21:23.15 | Ali | i did not understand your question |
| 21:23.32 | dvs | Ali: Create the files so that the uninstaller will work |
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| 21:27.53 | Ali | i did and not work |
| 21:27.55 | Ali | http://pastebin.com/FTpAzY8u |
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| 21:28.30 | abrotman | judd: file dbc_go |
| 21:28.34 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | Ali: dpkg -l phpmyadmin .. which version is this ? |
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| 21:29.17 | Ali | phpmyadmin 4:3.3.7-7 |
| 21:29.23 | bunny68 | can you use pkill in a way so it kills all pids of some user BUT one particular process of a known name? |
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| 21:29.49 | abrotman | sure, kill the PIDs ? |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | Ali: i'm going to guess you have to reinstall phpmyadmin and its dependencies |
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| 21:32.02 | Ali | http://pastebin.com/geH2AZUb |
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| 21:33.25 | Ali | i think no PID is to kill |
| 21:33.32 | Ali | for phpmyadmin * |
| 21:34.29 | abrotman | Ali: i'm going to guess you have to reinstall phpmyadmin and its dependencies |
| 21:34.53 | Ali | is it better to install phpmyadmin using pkg and dpkg -i ? |
| 21:35.08 | abrotman | Ali: it's telling you which file to create .. read the actual error messages . they're in english |
| 21:35.41 | Ali | so i must creat each file that it ask? |
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| 21:35.44 | Ali | okj |
| 21:35.46 | Ali | ok* |
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| 21:39.52 | Ali | thanks my problem solved |
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| 21:44.58 | __zero | I have a problem (some sort of...) for some reason all the inodes I access are kept in memory to never be deleted.. |
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| 21:45.07 | __zero | until i restart |
| 21:45.15 | __zero | or do the echo /proc/.. trick |
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| 21:48.40 | Oom | Does Debian have a firewall or something? I can't access the computer remotely.. |
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| 21:50.08 | Oom | localhost/192.168.2.8 gives me apache's default page yet if i try to go to my IP i get Connection reset by server, I have a DMZ on my router so all ports are open |
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| 21:50.43 | sheep | maybe your ISP is blocking it |
| 21:50.46 | Oom | no |
| 21:50.57 | Oom | i can do the same thing with other computers here |
| 21:51.03 | Oom | but this Debian desktop isnt letting me in |
| 21:51.08 | sheep | hmm... |
| 21:51.20 | Oom | i tried apache2,nginx,lighttp,sshd none work |
| 21:51.56 | jacobw | NAT |
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| 21:52.22 | Oom | i have a freebsd laptop right here and if i start a webserver on it i can get to it fine remotely |
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| 21:52.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you checked the logs? |
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| 21:53.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | increased the logging level and tried again? |
| 21:53.29 | Oom | it says nothing other than server started, server stopped etc |
| 21:54.02 | jacobw | are there any messages in access.log? |
| 21:54.17 | Oom | it works locally, i can curl localhost and get the index page but if i curl my IP i get a closed connecction |
| 21:54.35 | Oom | no there is nothing in access.log |
| 21:56.04 | abrotman | that doesn't sound like something is working |
| 21:56.32 | jacobw | iptables -A INPUT -m conntack -ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 21:57.02 | jacobw | s/tack/track |
| 21:57.31 | abrotman | he's probably not using iptables |
| 21:57.55 | Oom | could't load match contrack: /lib/xtables/libipt_contrack.so |
| 21:58.20 | jacobw | are you using iptables? |
| 21:58.26 | Oom | i just installed this |
| 21:58.33 | Oom | so i dont think so, im not a linux user |
| 21:58.39 | abrotman | Oom: what is 'uname -a' ? |
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| 21:59.14 | Oom | Linux Box 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:59.35 | abrotman | that's not what uname -a says .. anyway |
| 21:59.46 | abrotman | Oom: what is 'netstat -an | grep 80' show ? |
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| 22:00.45 | Oom | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 22:01.03 | Oom | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | Oom: are you addressing by IP or name ? |
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| 22:02.09 | Oom | for waht |
| 22:02.10 | bunny68 | i just did a huge mistake and killed my sshd... remote box... what now? |
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| 22:03.03 | AthomIk | hello |
| 22:03.08 | abrotman | bunny68: call your hoster and have them reboot the box |
| 22:03.09 | jwayne | hello |
| 22:03.24 | bunny68 | abrotman there are important data in ram disk |
| 22:03.24 | Oom | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1.1 for ServerName |
| 22:03.26 | AthomIk | where i can find ALSA header, for sid ? |
| 22:03.34 | abrotman | bunny68: okay, have your hoster login and start the sshd |
| 22:03.38 | AthomIk | what s package ? |
| 22:03.43 | bunny68 | abrotman no hope that sshd will just refresh itself or whatever? |
| 22:03.46 | abrotman | AthomIk: apt-cache -- search alsa -dev |
| 22:03.58 | bunny68 | abrotman i wrote a message to them but not really sure what they do... |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | bunny68: not unless you made it do that .. i suspect you haven't |
| 22:04.09 | bunny68 | abrotman i fucked up with pkill -v |
| 22:04.22 | bunny68 | abrotman i typed: pkill -9 -u test -v proftpd |
| 22:04.30 | abrotman | okay .. i can't help you with that |
| 22:04.31 | bunny68 | and that sucker killed everything... |
| 22:04.50 | jwayne | AthomIk: alsa-source would be my guess |
| 22:04.51 | bunny68 | but why the hell did it touch anything but user test? |
| 22:05.09 | bunny68 | i clearly put -u test |
| 22:05.14 | Oom | :? |
| 22:05.17 | bunny68 | pkill is fucked up... |
| 22:05.28 | abrotman | quit whining .. go fix it |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | jwayne: that's not what he's after |
| 22:05.39 | bunny68 | that -v worked globally and reversed -u... |
| 22:06.01 | jwayne | abrotman: there doesn't seem to be an alsa dev tho. |
| 22:06.02 | AthomIk | jwayne: alsa-source not ok for ALSA header, but i try with advice of abrotman |
| 22:06.11 | Oom | abrotman, is there something im supposed to have in /etc/hosts |
| 22:06.33 | Oom | it says 127.0.0.1 localhost and 127.0.1.1 Box |
| 22:06.57 | abrotman | Oom: it's just warning you |
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| 22:07.10 | jwayne | ah. could be libasound2-dev I guess.. let's google ;) |
| 22:07.19 | Oom | well i have no idea what the problem is |
| 22:07.48 | abrotman | AthomIk: libasound2-dev maybe ? |
| 22:08.38 | jwayne | This package contains files required for developing software that makes use of libasound2, the ALSA library. |
| 22:09.25 | abrotman | Oom: can you even ping the other box ? |
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| 22:09.44 | Oom | yes |
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| 22:10.15 | abrotman | Oom: can you telnet to port 80 on the other box ? |
| 22:10.19 | AthomIk | abrotman: i have this, now i try other with youre advice cmd..... |
| 22:10.49 | Oom | no |
| 22:10.55 | Oom | Connection refused |
| 22:11.01 | Oom | i can't access it at all remotely |
| 22:11.02 | jwayne | AthomIk: which package are you trying to install that depends on alsa headers? |
| 22:11.15 | Oom | and its right next to me, its going through the same router |
| 22:11.16 | AthomIk | abrotman: thank, but, fu.... julius cannot compile with alsa |
| 22:11.20 | Oom | via ethernet |
| 22:11.45 | AthomIk | jwayne: no package of julius exist |
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| 22:11.51 | Oom | are you sure there isn't a firewall installed by default on Debian |
| 22:11.57 | Oom | its not letting in outside connections.. |
| 22:12.04 | AthomIk | what s debian have for voice recognition ? |
| 22:12.41 | abrotman | Oom: there is not |
| 22:12.43 | AthomIk | too much complex compile julius on debian sid..... |
| 22:12.44 | jwayne | Oom: have you looked in your messages log? |
| 22:12.59 | abrotman | AthomIk: have you looked at the configure and compile logs ? |
| 22:13.00 | Oom | yes there is nothing of value |
| 22:13.06 | Oom | is there a way to disable ipv6 |
| 22:13.15 | abrotman | Oom: do you think that's the problem ? |
| 22:13.21 | Oom | possibly |
| 22:13.31 | abrotman | skeptical |
| 22:13.36 | Oom | ive been googling around for an hour now |
| 22:13.44 | Oom | 'It looks like all of your servers are listening on IPv6. You can try disabling IPv6 and then try accessing your servers world wide.' |
| 22:13.50 | jwayne | http://julius.sourceforge.jp/juliusbook/ja/desc_install.html#id2526840 |
| 22:13.58 | jwayne | even if its in japanese.. look at the commands there |
| 22:14.05 | jwayne | did you do those? |
| 22:14.05 | abrotman | Oom: on the boxitself, can you get to the apache on its IP ? |
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| 22:14.27 | Oom | no |
| 22:14.39 | Oom | only localhost |
| 22:15.01 | AthomIk | jwayne: before ask on this channel, i have read a lot of google www.... |
| 22:15.03 | Oom | ie curl localhost returns index.html |
| 22:15.05 | jwayne | what does your vhost file look like? |
| 22:15.12 | Oom | but curl IPHERE returns connection reset |
| 22:15.14 | jwayne | Oom* |
| 22:15.36 | AthomIk | jwayne: i have file on my systeme, but compile seem not see this..... |
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| 22:15.45 | abrotman | Oom: sure your router isn't interfering ? |
| 22:16.01 | Oom | positive, ive done this successfully on 5 different computers on thsi network |
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| 22:16.06 | Oom | only the one linux box isnt working |
| 22:16.10 | Oom | they are all set up the same way |
| 22:16.15 | abrotman | !tell Oom about noipv6 |
| 22:16.35 | AthomIk | this error http://paste.debian.net/163348/ |
| 22:16.50 | Oom | i had to fix that in freebsd abrotman |
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| 22:17.09 | Oom | disabling ipv6 |
| 22:17.23 | abrotman | AthomIk: so look at the configure script .. see what file it's looking for |
| 22:17.24 | Oom | can you give me the command |
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| 22:17.55 | abrotman | the bot gave it to you |
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| 22:18.14 | abrotman | (shouldn't have to disable ipv6, sounds like a network issue) |
| 22:18.16 | Oom | yes but im not familiar with grub to know what to edit |
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| 22:18.55 | abrotman | /etc/grub.d/ i'd guess |
| 22:19.17 | abrotman | or /etc/default/grub |
| 22:19.19 | jwayne | AthomIk: I'ld edit configure and look at the paths it looks for those files |
| 22:20.07 | AthomIk | jwayne: abrotman ok thk, i vi this.... |
| 22:20.29 | Oom | ipv6.disable=1 not found |
| 22:21.37 | Oom | :| |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | not found where? |
| 22:23.00 | ross`_ | win 58 |
| 22:23.02 | ross`_ | oops |
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| 22:23.43 | Oom | when i put it in /etc/default/grub |
| 22:23.50 | Oom | update-grub returned not found |
| 22:24.00 | abrotman | Oom: pastebin the file |
| 22:24.30 | Oom | CLI only |
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| 22:26.03 | Oom | yawn |
| 22:26.12 | Oom | forget it, im going back to BSD |
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| 22:26.32 | abrotman | easy enough |
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| 22:28.40 | jwayne | lol |
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| 22:30.00 | jwayne | so am I missing something for using Debian as a "desktop" distro? I'm using Sid with gnome fallback.. built from "scratch" .. and I've had little problems |
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| 22:30.49 | jwayne | would using Ubuntu be "faster" or something? .. never got the people that say Debian is not a desktop distro.. |
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| 22:36.11 | dvs | jwayne: I think it more has to do with the frequency of updates |
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| 22:36.31 | jwayne | well I fixed that with sid.. yeah |
| 22:36.54 | TheWarden | Hi, I have a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 video card and was wondering if I should be installing from Nvidia's source drivers or use nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx? |
| 22:36.54 | pingfloyd | also the stability of the repos |
| 22:37.01 | __zero | everytime I use sudo I get the following warning "sudo: unable to resolve host tofu" (tofu is my machine) why is this? |
| 22:37.06 | pingfloyd | sometime all needed dependencies won't be in place on the repo |
| 22:37.20 | dvs | jwayne: Until you have problems with sid packages. Some people wouldn't be able to get themselves out of those problems. |
| 22:37.23 | jwayne | oh.. been lucky I guess |
| 22:38.07 | pingfloyd | always do a dry run before committing an update if you're running sid |
| 22:38.11 | TheWarden | I found the package online but not in software centre or synaptic package manager. I would imagine I need to add some repository to get this package nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx |
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| 22:38.26 | jwayne | I guess so, I've had a few scuffles with this new laptop (end of 2011) but managed to fix most of the problems eh |
| 22:38.33 | TheWarden | I'm running Debian Squeeze 64-bit |
| 22:39.47 | jwayne | TheWarden: I'ld get the drivers from nvidia's website |
| 22:40.23 | AthomIk | existe voice recognition on debian ? |
| 22:41.05 | allorder | TheWarden: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers |
| 22:41.27 | TheWarden | jwayne: why not use the package? |
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| 22:43.17 | TheWarden | allorder: Thanks |
| 22:43.28 | TheWarden | jwayne: I see what you mean after reading the link allorder gave me. |
| 22:44.01 | bobweaver | Is the debian mentor program still around ? |
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| 22:44.18 | jwayne | Squeeze you're at 280ish and latest is 295ish .. not sure how lang ago 280 was.. but it seems significant |
| 22:44.20 | abrotman | bobweaver: yes |
| 22:44.26 | mentor | is a real person |
| 22:44.36 | abrotman | is skeptical |
| 22:44.39 | jwayne | lol |
| 22:45.03 | bobweaver | Hi abrotman I am looking for a packing mentor am I looking in the right direction ? |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | bobweaver: yes .. if it's for Debian |
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| 22:45.48 | bobweaver | abrotman, I would not ask if it was not for .. |
| 22:46.26 | abrotman | you'd be surprised what people ask sometimes |
| 22:46.32 | abrotman | !tell bobweaver about mentors |
| 22:47.27 | bobweaver | abrotman, here is the thing yes I am ubuntu member yes I help them out. But Why would I not want to debian as that is like the root of all good (for me) when it comes to packaging even the ubuntu packagers say That I should be packaging in debian |
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| 22:48.23 | bobweaver | Thanks abrotman !!! |
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| 22:49.21 | EdePopede | to run skype on amd64, is it enough to install ia32-libs? it misses only 2 libs from libglib2.0-0 |
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| 22:51.04 | engla | EdePopede: these are the depends for one skype package http://paste.debian.net/163354/ |
| 22:51.30 | jwayne | I just installed it earlier and I went by that ^^ |
| 22:51.40 | jwayne | ia32 will ask for a few more libraries |
| 22:51.55 | engla | ia32-libs is a lot of libraries |
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| 22:54.13 | EdePopede | aptitude show ia32-libs-gtk says, not installed... the other ones seem to be Oo |
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| 22:56.37 | jwayne | http://debinfosec.blogspot.ca/p/software-installation.html |
| 22:56.38 | EdePopede | argh... it was.. libgthread-2.0.so.0 and libglib-2.0.so.0 missing |
| 22:56.45 | jwayne | very bottom, those are what I had to install.. |
| 22:56.56 | jwayne | and their depends of course |
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| 22:58.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering if I decide to download and burn the bluray images for the testing branch, using jigdo, what are the severity of bugs or problems I might expect to have if any, on an offline machine? I mean would it be as buggy as Ubuntu for example or somewhere between Debian stable and Ubuntu stable? Im just trying to get an idea if its for me or not. |
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| 23:00.07 | EdePopede | ouch... is '+' a special character for aptitude? had to escape it |
| 23:00.14 | abrotman | that'd be a pretty silly thing to do .. they'll be out of date tomorrow |
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| 23:00.25 | engla | I'd like to have a DKMS package for the wacom drawing tablet driver. Are DKMS packages easy to create? |
| 23:00.37 | TheWarden | So if I understand correctly to install a NVIDIA video driver I can't just install the Debian package I have to get the kernel module, then user-space GLX libraries and x driver and then configure? |
| 23:01.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: But thats why the images are there on the server. For download and use. |
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| 23:01.41 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: not really, they're there to test the creation of them .. |
| 23:01.42 | TheWarden | I was just going to install the package nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx but that can't be done before doing the kernal model I believe. Is there this right? |
| 23:02.02 | TheWarden | module* |
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| 23:04.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | TheWarden: Unless there is more to your question other than to get an nvidia card working, get nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel module, nvidia-xconfig. Run nvidia-xconfig, restart X.Thats pretty much it. |
| 23:04.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | And maybe nvidia-settings |
| 23:04.53 | Funkadelic | Is this a good channel to ask about mounting an NFS share hosted on Debian onto a Windows client? |
| 23:05.05 | abrotman | Funkadelic: depends where the problem lines |
| 23:05.06 | abrotman | lies |
| 23:05.20 | dym | Hey - im using a local gateway machine to route my traffic to lan clients. Could I somehow make incoming and outgoing mails from one of my lan clients go through Spam and Viruschecks as they pass my network, even though im using IMAP connections to my mailboxes for incoming mail? |
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| 23:05.42 | Funkadelic | It's probably on the windows end because I've mounted it on other devices |
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| 23:18.11 | TheWarden | LinuxGuy2009: Oh okay, thanks. |
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| 23:18.40 | TheWarden | well I'm off to give this a go, thanks and take care all. |
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| 23:38.28 | nevyn | dym: not without actually setting up mail services internally |
| 23:38.49 | nevyn | dym: so you could do something with a local mailserver, fetchmail etc. but it's going to be serious work. |
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