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| 00:05.08 | engla | well the lag might make the messages all arrive at the same time, inducing the kick |
| 00:05.26 | Macer | ugh |
| 00:05.39 | Macer | mcabber is awesome for using with gtalk but that status pane is driving me crazy |
| 00:05.43 | Macer | it is a waste of screen space :) |
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| 00:07.24 | gustavo_cm | [ Hi there. GParted shrunk my /home ext4 partition bud didn't update the superblock. How can I solve it? I tried fsck, but nothing. |
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| 00:08.07 | n-iCe | Worked! |
| 00:08.11 | n-iCe | I am in my laptop now! |
| 00:08.15 | n-iCe | I need now my wireless!! |
| 00:08.17 | taime1 | hello, chromium wants to uninstall vlc and vice versa.. i think it has to do with libavcodec53 conflicting with libav-etra-53. is there any way to have chromium anbd vlc installed at the same time? |
| 00:08.58 | engla | gustavo_cm: sounds tricky |
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| 00:09.15 | gustavo_cm | engla: it "pains" tricky too... |
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| 00:09.53 | gustavo_cm | engla: thanks for the atention. Do you know how to remake the superblock with the correct information or how to force an expaansion of the partition? |
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| 00:10.09 | rames | hello all - any greybeards know how to get access to the bash completion data? can't remember that command that puts things in the ~lookup hash??~ that bash uses |
| 00:10.32 | taime1 | im sorry.. its libav-format-extra and libavcodec that seem to be conflicting. either way, it won let me have both chromium and vlc . only one or the other... what gives? |
| 00:10.48 | rames | i'm not trying to add new autocompletion things (ie: foo<tab>...) but trying to figure out what foo<tab> in bash would look up (for executable commands) |
| 00:10.50 | engla | gustavo_cm: I don't know much no. I'm thinking that it's possible to expand the partition again without touching the filesystem |
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| 00:15.41 | rames | anybody know a way to list / iterate what commands are available in user's path? |
| 00:16.17 | ArmOrAttAk | ls |
| 00:16.35 | gustavo_cm | engla: I think it too. But I can't find any way to do that ;/ |
| 00:16.43 | rames | ahh.... 'compgen -c' is what i'm looking for... |
| 00:16.49 | gustavo_cm | Do you know some IRC channel of "disk experts"? |
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| 00:27.23 | n-iCe | hello how do I install network-manager? I already installed the package but the icon is not there |
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| 00:27.28 | n-iCe | after I rebooted, thanks |
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| 00:32.30 | n-iCe | hello |
| 00:32.34 | n-iCe | any way to install this card? 07:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 00:34.49 | dvs | n-iCe: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 00:34.56 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: did you install network-manager-gnome? are you using ubuntu or debian? |
| 00:35.09 | n-iCe | debian |
| 00:35.16 | n-iCe | I did that dvs but the wifi is still not up |
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| 00:35.55 | engla | gustavo_cm: you can try to find a channel for gparted? Or try #debian or #debian-next on the OFTC network |
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| 00:37.18 | allorder | n-iCe: install firmware-realtek in backport |
| 00:37.51 | n-iCe | allorder: how |
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| 00:38.32 | allorder | n-iCe: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 00:39.00 | gustavo_cm | engla: thanks, I found #gparted @ irc.gnome.org |
| 00:39.03 | n-iCe | whats the difference |
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| 00:41.06 | n-iCe | allorder: now? |
| 00:41.51 | allorder | n-iCe: |
| 00:41.53 | allorder | ? |
| 00:42.00 | n-iCe | yes? |
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| 00:42.44 | allorder | n-iCe: I don't understand your question |
| 00:42.52 | n-iCe | i installed from backport, and now? |
| 00:43.36 | allorder | n-iCe: your wifi should work |
| 00:43.42 | dvs | reboot |
| 00:43.46 | n-iCe | reboot? ok |
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| 01:06.42 | gnarface | is there an easy way to check the files of all installed packages against their package checksum? |
| 01:07.00 | gnarface | you'd think that'd be something already built in |
| 01:07.05 | buu | So, guys. I have two debian systems over a network. *Something* inbetween the two systems is rate limiting each connection to 500KBps. I've asked the people who own both sides of the link and they both claim they aren't limiting it. That being said, I'm trying to transfer 1gb+ files across this link and the slowness is annoying. Does anyone have any suggestions for programs that can use multiple connections to transfer a single file? |
| 01:08.19 | gnarface | buu: you sure you don't have a local problem with throughput? |
| 01:08.57 | gnarface | buu: you could break the file up into multiple chunks and try to transfer them all at once separately on the existing connection... |
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| 01:09.27 | buu | gnarface: Yes, I can download from other places at greater than 500k |
| 01:09.46 | buu | And yes, chunking the file and then launching parallel connections would be the idea, but I don't really want to do it manually.. |
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| 01:13.01 | gworao | am surprised to find partition named 'msdos' in the grub config file. what's the reason for this? |
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| 01:14.25 | Bluemalkin | can someone recommend a .deb apt repo tool that can support multiple versions? |
| 01:15.07 | jwayne | multiple versions of what? |
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| 01:16.01 | jwayne | pretty sure apt-get lets you specify which repo to use.. which would have your different version |
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| 01:16.35 | dvs | Bluemalkin: You can't have multiple versions of the same package installed at the same time. |
| 01:17.08 | Bluemalkin | I need to have an apt server that can host multiple versions for development purposes |
| 01:17.36 | jwayne | well I interpreted that question wrong... |
| 01:17.49 | nsadmin | Bluemalkin, as you must have seen, apt repos do handle multiple versions already. could you be much more specific as to what you want to do? |
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| 01:19.00 | gworao | how does the grub generator knows about the drive and partition that exist? |
| 01:19.03 | Bluemalkin | apt repos can handle mutiple versions by having the version numbers in the package name - I do not wish to do it that way, I want to have one package name available in different versions e.g. package_1.0_all.deb amd package_2.0_all.deb |
| 01:19.29 | nsadmin | jwayne as originally stated, the question was open to a lot of different interpretations :) |
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| 01:20.45 | nsadmin | first you'd have to build all the packages against the libs which exist in the debian you folks are working with |
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| 01:23.15 | nsadmin | see postgresql as an example of something that can have more than one version, which can even coexist on the same machine at the same time... I think they did put version numbers in the package names tho |
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| 01:24.32 | Macer | hm |
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| 01:24.50 | nsadmin | Hiero Magnificence? |
| 01:24.52 | Bluemalkin | yes they put version numbers in the package |
| 01:25.12 | nsadmin | the other thing they do |
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| 01:25.49 | nsadmin | is they have a package postgresql-common that creates what is called "clusters", which are data areas for a specific version of postgres |
| 01:27.07 | nsadmin | so for example, databases, their schemas, tables, rules, views, procs, etc etc are stored in the data areas initially set up by scripts in postgresql-common package |
| 01:30.55 | Bluemalkin | hmmm |
| 01:31.10 | Bluemalkin | I've created this question on ask ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/123000/debian-apt-repository-with-archive-support |
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| 01:34.29 | engla | Bluemalkin: you can have multiple different releases, just like testing and unstable |
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| 01:47.30 | boudiccas | how do i edit the menus on squeeze please? i want to amend an item in the office menu, but cant seem to drill down to it |
| 01:48.44 | hoort | Hi.. I was running debian 6.0GNOME live cd and it suddenly froze. |
| 01:48.52 | hoort | SSHd is installed and was running |
| 01:49.05 | hoort | but it doesn't accept requests. |
| 01:49.35 | hoort | and ping works. |
| 01:49.41 | lasers | boudiccas: Gnome? |
| 01:49.48 | boudiccas | lasers, yes |
| 01:49.58 | lasers | boudiccas: Try alacarte |
| 01:50.05 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 01:50.18 | hoort | if i can't recover the iceweasel session and 2 files in my volatile live homefolder i'll have lost >12 hrs of work. (sloppy, i know. i've learned my lesson.) |
| 01:50.48 | hoort | C+A+f1 doesn't do anything |
| 01:51.04 | hoort | C-A-DEL doesn't either. |
| 01:51.11 | hoort | any suggestions for what i could try? |
| 01:51.26 | hoort | i thought debian was supposed to be the king of stability... |
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| 01:52.30 | nsadmin | boudiccas, debian has a common menu system, which is arranged by other packages to read it... so gnome, kde and maybe fvwm reads it |
| 01:53.14 | nsadmin | dunno what menu item or menu you're interested in; if it's in the common part you should learn to edit that |
| 01:53.24 | gnarface | hoort: was it flash that crashed iceweasel? |
| 01:53.38 | hoort | gnarface: i think it was gvim |
| 01:53.46 | hoort | i had several cases of GNash running. |
| 01:54.08 | hoort | meld might've done it too.. |
| 01:54.10 | hoort | or gvim. |
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| 02:04.35 | nsadmin | you had several cases of gnash?! what's the prognosis? |
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| 02:06.34 | boudiccas | nsadmin, its librewriter in the office menu |
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| 02:07.42 | nsadmin | sec... |
| 02:07.49 | nsadmin | , versions menu |
| 02:07.51 | judd | Package: menu on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.41; squeeze: 2.1.44; sid: 2.1.46; wheezy: 2.1.46 |
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| 02:09.46 | nsadmin | I think what menu does is collect information from installed packages when they request to have menu items added, and then when (things like) gnome starts, it reads the data the menu package collects and add a menu to the (thing like) gnome menu system |
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| 02:31.21 | atula | what do I do to add log reading permission for a user? I vaguely remember that I should add user to adm group, is that correct ? |
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| 02:36.15 | pokoloko | should i go for lxde or xfce ? |
| 02:36.16 | gnarface | atula: correct |
| 02:37.03 | atula | gnarface: thank you |
| 02:37.37 | cyfi | what is linux label in mount -t option? |
| 02:37.49 | cyfi | ext ?? something I forget |
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| 02:38.18 | dvs | cyfi: Use "auto" if you don't know |
| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | atula, perhaps you can figure that out... ls -ld /var/log then do it again without the d |
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| 02:39.12 | atula | nsadmin: that's root |
| 02:39.34 | nsadmin | root root? or root somethingelse |
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| 02:39.56 | nsadmin | and, what's the first word and the second word mean? |
| 02:40.03 | atula | root root |
| 02:40.23 | nsadmin | and what perm on that dir |
| 02:40.24 | atula | owner and group are both root |
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| 02:40.43 | atula | 755 I believe |
| 02:40.43 | nsadmin | yes, good... what about the files inside? |
| 02:41.10 | cyfi | what do usb devices ususally show as in /dev ? |
| 02:41.18 | nsadmin | ok, so the 5 on the end means anyone can filescan (aka ls) and cd in there |
| 02:41.28 | hoort | anyone know the version of iceweasel included in debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 02:41.29 | hoort | ? |
| 02:41.35 | atula | nsadmin: it seems like a few files are own by grou root, mostly adm, some utmp and 1 ntp |
| 02:41.49 | atula | nsadmin: I think I'm fine with adm perms for now |
| 02:41.52 | dvs | hoort: 3.5 but the latest can be gotten easily |
| 02:42.01 | atula | I'll just sudo to read the root logs, nsadmin |
| 02:42.03 | atula | thanks anyway |
| 02:44.05 | nsadmin | so what I hear you saying, is that from your observations, it's fairly inconsistant, especally when you consider the group ownership when considering how a given user can gain permission to read all logs |
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| 02:44.32 | hoort | dvs: u know any cmdline flags to have it do its best to recover the last session at the time that it was previously killed without rendering the tabs into ram until each one is activated? thanks, btw. |
| 02:45.05 | dvs | hoort: no idea |
| 02:45.15 | hoort | dvs: oh well :-/ |
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| 02:46.58 | nsadmin | and, given what you have observed, I agree that it's inconsistant |
| 02:47.04 | danilom | can anyone help me, with a DVD writer in debian wheezy, i cant burn or read in it. |
| 02:47.29 | danilom | root@debian2:/home/danilo# mount /media/cdrom |
| 02:47.30 | danilom | mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 |
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| 02:47.48 | Ogmios | I am running kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae and squeeze on a dell mini 1018, having issues with suspsend, system will not wake up, cursor in upper left, requires reboot. I know it could be 101 things, but I was hoping someone might have experience with this hardware and this problem. I am also using a SSD drive only. |
| 02:48.02 | danilom | my fstab line for dvd /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:48.11 | hoort | although... dvs does that correspond to firefox 3.5? |
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| 02:48.23 | dvs | yes |
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| 02:50.15 | nsadmin | danilom, what is in the drive when you try to mount? |
| 02:50.57 | danilom | nsadmin i try with a dvd with data, and with a cd |
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| 02:52.05 | nsadmin | and the cd has? |
| 02:52.30 | danilom | nsadmin, data and i use it for install the OS |
| 02:52.55 | danilom | nsadmin, now when i try to read some disk or burn a dvd i cant |
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| 02:55.28 | gjergj | what is goodtext editor like notepad++ for debian |
| 02:55.44 | cyfi | emacs |
| 02:55.58 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:56.13 | dvs | I'd say kedit |
| 02:56.16 | nvz | gjergj: gedit comes with gnome and has all sorts of plugins available as well as a python interface to extend it |
| 02:56.24 | buu | VIM |
| 02:56.30 | dvs | bah! |
| 02:56.31 | buu | ALL HAIL THE VIMNOTOAD |
| 02:57.31 | gjergj | :) |
| 02:57.57 | buu | Also I still need a program that will open multiple connections to a single host to download the same file -=[ |
| 02:58.30 | nsadmin | emacs is not like normal editors. while it's powerful and probably worth learning for its advanced features, it's likely not what you are used to. Same with vi, vim and all variations. |
| 02:58.37 | nvz | idk what youre talking about but in any case the server would have to support that |
| 02:58.48 | nsadmin | kate is nice. |
| 02:59.02 | gnarface | emacs has built-in documentation |
| 02:59.08 | gjergj | i remember names of this softwares |
| 02:59.14 | nvz | yes she is, she's also cheap.. heh |
| 02:59.20 | buu | nvz: I have root on both machines |
| 02:59.26 | buu | Surely this should be possible |
| 02:59.27 | gjergj | havent use linux while |
| 02:59.36 | nvz | buu: then why on earth would you want to have multiple connections? |
| 02:59.53 | buu | nvz: Because something, somewhere, is capping individual connection speed to 500k =[ |
| 03:00.02 | nsadmin | nano is also unlike notepadlike text editors, and it's very easy to learn |
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| 03:01.48 | nsadmin | emacs doesn't play well with the systemwide cut/paste buffer |
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| 03:03.14 | gnarface | which "system wide" cut/paste buffer is that nsadmin, you mean the one that's part of gtk or the one that's part of X? |
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| 03:10.13 | nsadmin | gnarface, the one having to do with x (not the console one) |
| 03:10.32 | nsadmin | err actually I have not tested the console one |
| 03:12.23 | gnarface | nsadmin: i've never had any problems with it... |
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| 03:15.29 | engla | gnarface: gtk uses X to store clipboards.. |
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| 03:15.44 | nsadmin | don't get me wrong... I love emacs... and, I observed the questioner asked for a notepad-like editor, and I assumed that something along the lines of kate which has a very similar user interface, was along the lines of what he had asked for |
| 03:16.31 | allejo | I'm not sure if this would be the correct channel, but is it possible to create a .deb package without using any sort of tool? because afaik, .deb files are just .ar files |
| 03:16.53 | engla | allejo: yes |
| 03:16.53 | nsadmin | emacs and vi(m) are just too special |
| 03:17.28 | engla | allejo: you might want to use text editors and archiving tools though |
| 03:17.30 | gnarface | engla: maybe i'm thinking of iceweasel's clipboard then |
| 03:17.58 | nsadmin | allejo, debhelper is pretty standard these days... having said that, it is possible |
| 03:18.26 | allejo | is there any documentation on how a .deb file is created? |
| 03:18.51 | allejo | I would be using archiving tools and a text editor |
| 03:18.55 | nsadmin | the packaging manual, yes |
| 03:19.10 | gnarface | the packaging manual still pretty much just tells you to use debhelper |
| 03:19.31 | gnarface | specific details on how one would do this by hand with ar and a text editor are pretty sparse |
| 03:19.46 | nsadmin | allejo, such a package wouldn't make it into for example the debian archive; I take it tho, that's not your intent |
| 03:19.50 | gnarface | maybe looking at the code for debhelper is the best plan |
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| 03:20.33 | allejo | gnarface, ah that's a good idea thank you |
| 03:21.04 | gnarface | allejo: you should really read the manual TOO though, it'll answer a lot of questions if you haven't |
| 03:21.12 | allejo | nsadmin, that's not my intent, I simply want to build a .deb package by hand mainly for proof of concept and to learn how |
| 03:21.14 | gnarface | dpkg tell allejo about nmg |
| 03:21.46 | allejo | ah thank you gnarface :) |
| 03:21.53 | nsadmin | building a .deb without tools, btw, is actually one of the questions/requirements of the debian maint test |
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| 03:23.25 | allejo | nsadmin, oh awesome. for once i'm going to learn something for a test that i want to learn |
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| 03:24.34 | simonlnu | oh really. hmm. it's actually pretty easy, if tedious. |
| 03:24.50 | gnarface | simonlnu: is it actually documented anywhere you know of? |
| 03:24.54 | gnarface | simonlnu: specifically? |
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| 03:25.05 | nsadmin | you might also go to gnu.org, get the hello package, unpack it and read every file... |
| 03:25.10 | simonlnu | 2 tarballs, and a file. iirc in nmg ;) |
| 03:25.20 | nsadmin | and then get the debianized source of the same package, and read every file |
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| 03:25.48 | simonlnu | one is the installed files, the other is the control metadata |
| 03:26.04 | simonlnu | the file is a format spec |
| 03:26.06 | nsadmin | simonlnu, yes, the text file is probably in all versions... the two tarballs in version 2 |
| 03:26.15 | simonlnu | yup |
| 03:26.26 | simonlnu | version 2's been around since forever |
| 03:26.53 | seacow | I have a Debian box at home which I ssh to using its IP, but the IP I'm using is apparently internal to my home LAN (i'm no computer pro, so bear with me here). Is it possible for me to ssh to it from a remote location over the Internet? If so, how? |
| 03:27.02 | simonlnu | then you just ar it |
| 03:27.33 | nsadmin | humor, ar ar ar |
| 03:28.23 | allejo | thank you very much for all the help. i appreciate |
| 03:28.41 | gnarface | seacow: yes you'd use your public ip instead and forward a port through your firewall |
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| 03:29.57 | seacow | gnarface: Thank you. So I can get my public IP by going to www.whatismyip.com and … could you give me an example of the second part or explain it? I never really understood port forwarding. |
| 03:31.36 | gnarface | seacow: unfortunately the second part is going to be hardware specific - you need to consult the manual for whatever piece of plastic network gear you put between your computer and the internet. your ISP may or may not have provided it for you |
| 03:32.04 | seacow | gnarface: OK, thanks |
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| 03:39.25 | gjergj | i get this xorg error |
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| 04:16.21 | buu | So uh, how do I change the hostname of a system? |
| 04:17.13 | Flynsarmy | I'm on debian squeeze on an amazon ec2. i've installed 'mail server' with tasksel (it didn't ask me any questions - just completed) but when i attempt to send emails by typing 'mail my@email.com', entering a subject then message then hitting ctrl+d, i don't get the email. any ideas why? typing mailq returns nothing |
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| 04:18.18 | nkuttler | Flynsarmy: try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 04:18.18 | buu | Flynsarmy: Uh, you're firewalled on the machine? The email host is dropping your ip? |
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| 04:19.09 | Flynsarmy | buu: unsure. I enabled SMTP inbound in amazon console - everything out is enabled i believe - i haven't set any firewall rules or anything. nkuttler doing so now. thanks |
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| 04:21.12 | jelly-home | Flynsarmy: what was the exit status of the mail process. inspect the logs of the mail server. |
| 04:21.55 | jelly-home | I think they're in /var/log/exim4/mainlog for exim |
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| 04:24.53 | Flynsarmy | jelly-home: nkuttler: got it working. thanks for yoru help :) |
| 04:25.58 | buu | Well that wasy easy |
| 04:26.06 | buu | So anyway |
| 04:26.13 | buu | Is there anythuing other than /etc/hostname I need to change? |
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| 04:28.42 | Flynsarmy | one last quick question guys: if i block inbound SMTP port to that server, i'll still be able to send from it, just not receive to it. correct? |
| 04:28.46 | jelly-home | buu: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 04:29.02 | jelly-home | Flynsarmy: right |
| 04:29.05 | Flynsarmy | thanks :) |
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| 04:38.10 | JohnA | Could somebody recommend a documant management system, primary requirement is must be able to handle scanned images. |
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| 04:44.40 | hort | can someone please help me troubleshoot why my mic doesn't work? |
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| 04:49.43 | nevyn | JohnA: knowledgetree |
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| 04:50.03 | nevyn | JohnA: but most of these suck |
| 04:50.11 | nevyn | and are built on sucky interface models. |
| 04:50.20 | nevyn | (checkout modify checkin) |
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| 04:52.48 | JohnA | I looked at Knowledgetree, but it like most of the ones I have looked at aimed at electronic docus, we are looking for something to handle the existing archive of paper docs, plus furture electronic stuff. |
| 04:53.11 | bai | hi, is anyone aware of some good cluster package management tool to simplify running large datacenter operations - something where you can visually compare package versions between groups of machines, etc |
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| 04:54.19 | nevyn | bai: puppet? |
| 04:54.46 | bai | we've played a bit with puppet but it's a bit more heavyweight than I was imagining |
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| 04:54.58 | nevyn | bai: there's open NMS and friends |
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| 04:55.08 | bai | we have several hundred debian machines which were installed over a 6 year period, we're doing rolling updates on the older systems but even within newer installations, we use debian packages internally for some aspects of release management - so it would be nice to be able to just get a snapshot of what's on a given system, along with versions, and see what's different |
| 04:55.37 | nevyn | or if you wnat "commercial" BMC and CA will happily take 6 figgures USD for solutions to this problem |
| 04:55.48 | bai | yeah I'm not a fan of commercial :P |
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| 04:56.28 | nevyn | bai: so I like puppet but chef would also help |
| 04:56.43 | bai | is there something like dpkg --get-selections which can dump the versions for every package installed? |
| 04:56.44 | nevyn | in that they provide normalised installed package list data |
| 04:56.57 | nevyn | bai: dpkg -l |
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| 04:57.23 | bai | ah, duh. thought that required a specific package argument |
| 04:58.31 | cantido | would have thought one of the monitoring packages would have a plugin for checking with apt/dpkg about upgrades etc |
| 04:58.53 | bai | this would be enough to build a simple diff tool between two systems. chef and puppet are more for management after the fact - but in some cases people have gone in and made changes to systems which bypassed the tools which the ops guys use for bulk management |
| 04:59.00 | cantido | even the shitty hosting cp ispconfig can do it .. :) |
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| 05:01.53 | peterrooney | bai: dpkg -l is rather sensitive to column width; if you're storing in files, experiment with the COLUMNS variable. |
| 05:03.36 | peterrooney | I mention this because frequently, dpkg -l truncates the version |
| 05:03.44 | bai | ahh, good to know |
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| 05:03.55 | bai | thanks |
| 05:04.39 | cantido | I think there are perl,python etc libraries to interact with dpkg too.. that might be a bit saner than parsing the output.. |
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| 05:06.13 | bai | yeah maybe. I'll check 'em out. I'm just brainstorming right now....had to deal with a tricky three-way merge where we were updating 20 servers from separate clusters which were each configured at different times with different releases of the software |
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| 05:06.46 | bai | halfway through checking package versions manually I figured "there's got to be a better way" |
| 05:06.54 | bai | sounds like the setup for an infomercial, really |
| 05:07.03 | peterrooney | bai, there usually is. |
| 05:07.16 | cantido | bai: you install packages and then manually configure each machine? |
| 05:07.36 | bai | cantido: we use FAI to roll out the bulk systems, and have defined different classes based on the role the machine plays |
| 05:08.02 | bai | but then as the application develops, sometimes we have to pull in versions of libraries which aren't available through the traditional repositories |
| 05:08.15 | bai | so we have our own internal repository for tracking those packages |
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| 05:08.57 | bai | but then when you roll out a cluster running a specific version of the application, it relies one set of libraries, and then maybe 3 months later you have a separate cluster running software which relies on even newer libraries... |
| 05:09.40 | cantido | and the issue is upgrading an older cluster to the newer version? |
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| 05:10.27 | bai | in the end that's always what we want to do, but it often makes sense to be able to do that on a piecemeal basis, so you don't have to worry about breaking applications running on older machines when you roll out new stuff |
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| 05:11.09 | bai | tonight that's what we were doing, a clean reset across all one class of systems to make sure they're all running a homogenous set of software |
| 05:12.08 | bai | but it's likely that from this point forward, development will continue at its standard unrelenting pace, and in a few months we'll need to carve out a subset of the cluster to run a newer version of the software on |
| 05:12.22 | cantido | it sounds like vm's or containers would be useful.. put an app in an LXC container so you don't have to worry about upgrading libraries for that app breaking anything else |
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| 05:14.14 | bai | well, we use vms for secondary systems, development stuff, etc. but for our live servers we have a pretty well understood traffic pattern and load balancing system, we're not really looking to rearchitect that |
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| 05:14.53 | cantido | yeah, I wouldn't want to re-work a few hundred running systems that's for sure |
| 05:15.44 | peterrooney | cantido: I would, I hate scheduled summer vacation. |
| 05:16.03 | cantido | you guys get vactions? |
| 05:16.09 | cantido | doesn't even get to sleep |
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| 05:16.38 | buu | I heard of sleep once |
| 05:18.18 | cantido | bai: I know a search engine that doesn't begin with G that uses yum/rpm to manage their clusters of machines.. to avoid any library issues their system basically reinstalls the system with their latest base image and does everything from scratch when they deploy an app |
| 05:18.58 | cantido | I managed to get their frontend deployment scripts etc to work with dpkg :) |
| 05:19.04 | bai | hmm. that sounds like it could be a bit overkill for incremental releases, heh |
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| 05:20.22 | cantido | yeah, their stuff is short lived though.. maybe a site will run for a week or two, it's package up into a package that depends on all the stuff it needs like php, apache,mysql and get's deployed to a bunch of machines |
| 05:20.40 | cantido | s/get's/gets/ |
| 05:21.15 | bai | ah, ok. yeah we tend to just juggle up to 3-4 different versions of our software at once, we're pretty good about getting the old stuff updated, it's just a semi-painful process when it does happen |
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| 05:22.32 | cantido | do you package upgrade scripts etc in your debs? |
| 05:23.18 | bai | no most of our own packages are just simple file archives, no fancy scripts - although there's probably some parts of the process which could benefit from them |
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| 05:29.25 | kleanchap | I like fslint. Simple gui app to look for duplicate files. |
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| 05:31.35 | cantido | needs something that will sort out the jungle that is $HOME |
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| 05:33.05 | _znull | Hello, anyone could help me with httpd on debian ? http://paste.debian.net/163621/ how can I calculate those values? for my server |
| 05:34.38 | kleanchap | Type in 'ls -l | sort' and that should sort everything in your $PWD. |
| 05:34.53 | cantido | _znull: I would read the apache manual.. |
| 05:36.01 | _znull | cantido : i'm doing that .. |
| 05:37.38 | buu | _znull: Better question is, what are you trying to do with this server? |
| 05:37.46 | buu | The numbers will change dramatically |
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| 05:41.10 | _znull | buu : ( I got nginx as httpd proxy .. but still something is wrong let me show you). |
| 05:41.33 | allejo | I haven't had any luck with building a .deb manually. I've been reading the NMG but I haven't seen anything where it shows how to do it manually. they all mention using some sort of tool |
| 05:42.02 | _znull | buu : http://paste.debian.net/163622/ |
| 05:42.30 | _znull | buu : i don't understand why the IO is so high and still read/write is very low..from what iostat says |
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| 05:43.11 | buu | uh |
| 05:43.31 | buu | _znull: load 419? |
| 05:43.39 | _znull | buu : yeah |
| 05:43.48 | buu | _znull: never put 3000 as maxservers |
| 05:43.55 | peterrooney | _znull: I wonder how many zombies you have |
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| 05:44.03 | buu | _znull: Put like, 30 |
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| 05:44.21 | _znull | buu : and ServerLimit ? |
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| 05:44.43 | buu | Sorry, I meant serverlimit. But what is apache actually serving? |
| 05:44.54 | cantido | thought the apache manual actually told you how to select sensible values |
| 05:45.03 | buu | I'm sure it does someplace |
| 05:45.08 | buu | but 3000 is ridiculous |
| 05:45.32 | cantido | yeah, I don't think it says "set this as the biggest number you can think of right now" |
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| 05:48.45 | _znull | buu : ok. but any ideea from where is that high IO ? |
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| 05:54.16 | buu | _znull: Uh, swap? Severload? Programs running? |
| 05:54.39 | buu | That's not exactly something you can answer from a pastebin.. |
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| 05:58.26 | _znull | buu : http://paste.debian.net/163624/ |
| 05:59.08 | cantido | at least your load average has gone down |
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| 05:59.14 | _znull | buu : http://paste.debian.net/163625/ |
| 05:59.33 | _znull | 185.11, 141.64, 166.74 its up again |
| 06:00.50 | cantido | it could be all of those apache2 processes |
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| 06:02.36 | _znull | why swap is not being used grr and another 12GB of ram.. I do have big-smp kernel |
| 06:03.29 | cantido | you actually want it to use swap? |
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| 06:07.04 | sanitypassing | Hi, can anyone tell me how to set up desktop notifications for icedove? |
| 06:07.47 | peterrooney | _znull: not wanting to pry too much, but what are your mountpoints? |
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| 06:08.28 | peterrooney | _znull: not wanting to pry too much, but what are your mountpoints for /dev/sdaN ? |
| 06:09.23 | _znull | http://paste.debian.net/163627/ |
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| 06:12.09 | _znull | peterrooney : http://paste.debian.net/163627/ before was 5.0 but it seems ISP upgraded the server to 6.0 but did only half of the job.. apt-get upgrade says i need to upgrade 500 packages |
| 06:13.04 | cantido | _znull: one of your pastes showed you have linux 2.6.26 running.. that should be 2.6.32 for squeeze |
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| 06:14.11 | peterrooney | _znull: That sounds terrible. Lenny to Squeeze interrupted at some unknown point? /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 06:14.27 | peterrooney | is shaking in his boots |
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| 06:15.29 | cantido | peterrooney: he has almost 200 days, someone probably did the first stages (the kernel etc) and then when it came to rebooting gave up |
| 06:15.33 | _znull | peterrooney : no ideea what they did.. but it was 5.0 yesterday |
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| 06:17.37 | cantido | _znull: you only need to upgrade the package that contains /etc/debian-version to make it look upgraded, it's probably mostly still 5.0 |
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| 06:17.51 | peterrooney | _znull: It could be just that, 500 packages needing updating. does aptitude --simulate dist-upgrade give a better solution? |
| 06:18.03 | cantido | s/debian-version/debian_version/ |
| 06:18.33 | peterrooney | _znull: more importantly, what does your sources.list say... |
| 06:18.44 | _znull | peterrooney : http://paste.debian.net/163628/ |
| 06:19.10 | raptor67682 | hi, hej, could you code me and maintain a rc2 daemon, alternative to gdm,kdm,..., which will be called 'ddm' and based onto STARTX and DIALOG? |
| 06:19.39 | _znull | peterrooney : http://paste.debian.net/163629/ |
| 06:19.40 | raptor67682 | DDM would use : startx , su - , and dialog to work |
| 06:19.46 | raptor67682 | please |
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| 06:21.07 | peterrooney | _znull: well, it does offer a reasonable solution; does your server require the said libmagick et al? |
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| 06:21.47 | peterrooney | ,versions libmagick10 |
| 06:21.49 | judd | Package: libmagick10 on i386 -- lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny4 |
| 06:22.07 | peterrooney | ,versions libmagick++3 |
| 06:22.09 | judd | Package: libmagick++3 on i386 -- squeeze: 8:6.6.0.4-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze1 |
| 06:22.19 | _znull | peterrooney : don't think so.. I have some CMS which needs PHP and gd but no imagemmagick |
| 06:22.24 | peterrooney | ,versions libmagickwand3 |
| 06:22.25 | judd | Package: libmagickwand3 on i386 -- squeeze: 8:6.6.0.4-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze1 |
| 06:23.33 | peterrooney | so, it looks like some packages underwent name chagnes with their upgrades, but (in the case of magick), it's not insurmountable. Just install the new packages once completed. |
| 06:23.53 | peterrooney | _znull: gd? |
| 06:23.59 | _znull | peterrooney : ok how should I proccede? |
| 06:24.06 | _znull | peterrooney : php-gd |
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| 06:25.54 | _znull | peterrooney : aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:25.56 | peterrooney | _znull: I'd check that the six problematic packages are either (a) not actually needed, or (b) have replacement packages available (some small research might be needed). |
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| 06:27.09 | peterrooney | if true*, then just aptitude dist-upgrade, followed by installation of replacements, * I'm till nervous about what state your sources.list is in. |
| 06:27.27 | _znull | peterrooney : well i don't need those packages. |
| 06:28.03 | _znull | peterrooney : http://paste.debian.net/163629/ if you have not seen this(sources.list) |
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| 06:30.41 | peterrooney | _znull: and you've read lenny->squeeze? especially the part about firmware? |
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| 06:30.46 | peterrooney | !lenny->squeeze |
| 06:30.49 | _znull | peterrooney : do you have any sources list with squeeze? |
| 06:31.08 | _znull | peterrooney : ok reading |
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| 06:33.02 | peterrooney | _znull: your list looks as well as can be - lenny removed, and squeeze is currently stable (I cannot speak to how dotdeb names their repositories) |
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| 06:37.31 | _znull | peterrooney : http://paste.debian.net/163631/ ( i forgot how to add that key..) |
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| 06:43.12 | _znull | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:43.14 | peterrooney | _znull: so did I. aptitude install something keyring something |
| 06:43.37 | peterrooney | _znull: you're totally on top of this. maybe run apt-get update first |
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| 06:56.30 | atula | whenever I do a "sudo a2enmod expires.load" I get: ERROR: Module expires.load does not exist! I checked and the module is there. Does anyone know the reason this is happening ? |
| 06:56.55 | atula | I have on debian 6 |
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| 07:03.53 | _znull | peterrooney : W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d101m_ucode.bin for module e100 this is not good |
| 07:05.19 | _znull | peterrooney : thats the network card |
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| 07:06.56 | buu | atula: Because you're just supposed to type "a2enmod expires" ? |
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| 07:07.08 | atula | buu: got it. thank you. |
| 07:07.12 | buu | =] |
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| 07:21.58 | deb0 | hi, I installed the XFCE task in aptitude, and my settings are not saved in XFCE. The root terminal does save them. |
| 07:22.50 | deb0 | I had deselected everything in installation setup and chose xfce afterwards in aptitude (and gdm). |
| 07:23.54 | deb0 | The chosen resolution does not stick, or the background colour in lxterminal for example. |
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| 07:34.38 | _V_ | Hi, I'm looking to package some code in a git repository that I'm working on. Can anyone point me to some docs/tutorials that deal with the case where the packager *is* the upstream? |
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| 07:35.31 | peterrooney | _znull: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree ( I too, have experience the horror of built-in intel ethernet) |
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| 07:37.22 | _znull | peterrooney : k did that.. doing apt-get upgrade and reboot. |
| 07:37.30 | lautriv | hello, my nfs4 (sid, 3.3.2) stopped working for some reason, everything in kernel is enabled , export reports no error but i get "mount.nfs4: Protocol not supported" is there anything known ? |
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| 07:44.54 | peterrooney | is carving a protective circle into the hardwood floor |
| 07:45.38 | zmo_ | Hi, im packaging something. A dependence of mine installs itself starting ncurses configurator (dpkg-reconfigure?); to avoid this i ve tried with a "DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive" in a preinst file.. but i doesn't do the trick |
| 07:46.01 | zmo_ | anyone already knows something ? |
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| 08:13.22 | Crypticfortune | NFS mystery time! So, recently after switching NFS file servers for NFS booted clients, some of our lab's users started noticing that stuff like pmount wasn't working, despite being in the plugdev group. It seems like group permissions are not being properly resolved over NFS (server client both squeeze). |
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| 08:14.03 | jeredepp | anybody got experience with virtualization of a debian on a debian(no gui) |
| 08:14.45 | Crypticfortune | For example, I go "echo foo > foo; chgrp plugdev foo; chmod g=r,o= foo" as root, all's well, then as a normal user in plugdev go "cat foo" and get "permission denied." Any idea why?? |
| 08:15.03 | jeredepp | i want to hear your opinion on some opensource virtualization software |
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| 08:15.10 | cardamon | Having a java problem. |
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| 08:16.05 | cardamon | But it's entirely of my own making. Eclipse complains about a missing libswt-gtk.so after switching to Sun's JDK. |
| 08:16.32 | cantido | jeredepp: kvm works, if you only need containers lxc is good |
| 08:17.20 | jeredepp | can you do snapshots of the runnin systems in kvm? |
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| 08:18.30 | Crypticfortune | jeredepp: VirtualBox can do snapshots nicely, but it's kind of lacking in areas like limiting the guest VM's resource consumption (afaik) |
| 08:18.33 | sephii | Crypticfortune: have you tried login it off and on again? |
| 08:18.44 | Crypticfortune | sephii: yep. restarted the whole client. |
| 08:18.55 | cantido | jeredepp: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page |
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| 08:19.17 | jeredepp | guess there's no way around testing everything |
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| 08:24.50 | _znull | peterrooney : apt-get upgrade is done. should I reboot or is anything else should I check before? |
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| 08:35.35 | Crypticfortune | Ah! problem fixed, but I don't really understand. removing RPCMOUNTDOPTS=--manage-gids from /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server fixed it, but I don't think that should have been necessary.... |
| 08:36.08 | Crypticfortune | those user groups do exist on the NFS server....I suspect this might be an ldap bug or something... |
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| 08:50.52 | peterrooney | _znull: yes, you should be able to reboot and then do a full dist-upgrade |
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| 08:57.05 | WuxiIxuw | Please any one here tried vps from rocketvps.com ? any feed back please? |
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| 09:07.33 | joltcan | WuxiIxuw: have a look at lowendbox.com and see if they are mentioned there |
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| 09:54.05 | spaceace85 | I've just added a 3TB drive to my media center, and when I do fdisk -l I see "Partition 1 does not start on a physical sector boundary." on the partition I just created. |
| 09:54.12 | spaceace85 | oops |
| 09:54.22 | spaceace85 | Anyway, should I be concerned? |
| 09:57.35 | ksk | fdisk can handle gpt-style partitions this day? |
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| 09:57.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | afaik not |
| 09:57.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | use parted |
| 09:58.15 | ksk | was just related to spaceace85's question |
| 09:58.57 | spaceace85 | I see |
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| 09:59.20 | spaceace85 | I don't know what a gpt-style partition is |
| 10:00.06 | ksk | "linux 3tb harddrive" into google helps ;) |
| 10:00.19 | k4z | Hi, i installed debian-amd64.. and now my kernel is x86_64 but dpkg --print-architecture says i386 - why? |
| 10:00.22 | engla | ksk: gdisk can |
| 10:00.26 | ksk | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html - looks good to me |
| 10:00.43 | ksk | ye i know, just wanted to tell spaceace85 fdisk may not be his tool of choice |
| 10:00.45 | ksk | thanks anyway :) |
| 10:01.04 | spaceace85 | thanks guys, i'll check it |
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| 10:03.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | k4z: how did you install? what version? |
| 10:03.44 | jelly | k4z: that means you didn't install amd64 architecture, but i386, the 32bit one |
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| 10:04.29 | k4z | Kamping_Kaiser: default install from debian6.0.4-ia64.dvd.iso ;) |
| 10:06.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | k4z: ia64? thats itanium |
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| 10:10.13 | k4z | Kamping_Kaiser: right, my folk, thanks :) |
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| 10:12.42 | seacow_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:14.05 | saz | seacow_: use screen |
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| 10:14.45 | seacow_ | saz: thank you. so like "screen mathprogram -t -a start"? |
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| 10:15.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | k4z: :) |
| 10:15.20 | saz | seacow_: http://www.rackaid.com/resources/linux-screen-tutorial-and-how-to/ |
| 10:17.44 | saz | seacow_: Connect to your server and run screen. Inside screen run your command. To detach press CTRL+A D. To attach later run screen -x |
| 10:18.26 | peterrooney | saz: Short form: normally, just screen. After that, ^A C creates a new shell, ^A " shows a numbered list of which shells are running, ^A <number> switches to that window, ^AN goes to Next window, ^A P goes to previous window, and ^A D detatches from the screen session so you can end your ssh connection. |
| 10:19.14 | peterrooney | saz: man screen shows how to re-attach to runnning screens if you had several screen sessions going. |
| 10:19.48 | saz | peterrooney: I know how to use screen. :) seacow_ was asking. |
| 10:19.52 | peterrooney | screen may be as versatile as SSH |
| 10:20.10 | peterrooney | saz: sorry, brain fart parity error. |
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| 10:25.21 | heroid | hey i got an apple powerpc |
| 10:25.32 | heroid | and i installed debian on it |
| 10:25.43 | heroid | but the wireless drivers arent working |
| 10:27.16 | warhead | heroid, check http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 10:27.33 | heroid | ok thanks |
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| 10:28.30 | vampi-the-frog | hey guys how can I tell which cron job is running? |
| 10:28.46 | vampi-the-frog | cause it's definately running, just can't figure out which one |
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| 10:29.41 | ksk | use pstree to see what was executed by cron |
| 10:29.52 | vampi-the-frog | yes i used ps in the meanwhile |
| 10:29.58 | vampi-the-frog | how can I tell how long it has been running? |
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| 10:34.57 | sephii | vampi-the-frog: TIME column? |
| 10:35.05 | vampi-the-frog | yes thanks |
| 10:35.19 | Krigsforbryter | Contab to run every 30 min was "*/30 * * * *", Rigth? |
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| 10:35.37 | llutz | Krigsforbryter: yes |
| 10:35.47 | Krigsforbryter | llutz: tnx :) |
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| 10:36.08 | petern_ | hi, how can i set up ssh to require public keys and password authentication? |
| 10:37.52 | babilen | petern_: What do you mean by "keys *and* password" ? Both are sufficient. I would probably recommend to set #PasswordAuthentication to no and use keys with passphrases. |
| 10:38.05 | babilen | s/Both are/Each is/ |
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| 10:39.43 | petern_ | poor man's two-factor |
| 10:40.00 | petern_ | therefore, key and password, heh |
| 10:41.16 | babilen | Why not force key-based authentication and use passphrases on those keys? They can be easily handled with ssh-agent on the client-side and are probably the most secure way to authenticate for the poor man |
| 10:42.42 | petern_ | obviously i use keys with passphrases |
| 10:43.55 | petern_ | pretty sure ssh-agents aren't the most secure way to authenticate |
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| 10:44.14 | petern_ | easiest way to log in without a password, sure. that's not what i want. |
| 10:44.27 | babilen | You still have to unlock the key with the passphrase |
| 10:44.39 | petern_ | not after it's in your ssh-agent |
| 10:44.51 | petern_ | and it's still not 2-factor |
| 10:45.13 | babilen | Well, a user needs the key and know its passphrase |
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| 10:45.55 | babilen | But I see what you are after -- I don't know how to force key *and* password at the same time. #openssh might though |
| 10:46.39 | babilen | There are also plenty of hits if you search for that online, but I would ask in #openssh |
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| 10:47.37 | petern_ | yes, plenty of hits talking about password-*less* logins :) |
| 10:47.54 | babilen | AFAIR you can only use one method of authentication with OpenSSH |
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| 10:48.21 | gnarface | i suspect it would also require pam configuration editing anyway |
| 10:48.43 | babilen | I don't quite see why you have a problem with key+passphrase. You can even configure ssh-agent to not cache it -- Don't know from the top of my head how to do it, but it shouldn't be that hard. |
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| 10:49.33 | gnarface | its trivial; dont' run ssh-agent |
| 10:50.15 | cybrhuman | may I ask how we make new lvm volumes? I think the machine is set up with lvm, |
| 10:50.18 | babilen | gnarface: Sure, but you must be able to configure this as well. Surely not running ssh-agent is a solution ... |
| 10:50.28 | babilen | !tell cybrhuman about lvm |
| 10:50.45 | babilen | cybrhuman: In particular you are after "lvcreate" |
| 10:51.22 | gnarface | the issue of two-factor authentication with regards to legal health record storage/retrieval requirements is not one i think linux is prepared for "out of the box" |
| 10:51.34 | gnarface | however you shouldn't have to get TOO creative to do such a thing with custom software |
| 10:51.54 | gnarface | might be an interesting thing to submit as a feature request to openssh though |
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| 10:53.46 | babilen | petern_: What do you really need? Do you have to comply to some regulations or is this merely about your private setup? What is the problem with key+passphrase? You *might* be able to hack something along the lines of http://linuxconnect.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/forcing-public-key-and-password-in.html but I am *really* not sure if that is something one wants to advocate. |
| 10:55.13 | babilen | petern_: http://serverfault.com/questions/161699/how-can-i-increase-ssh-security-can-i-require-both-a-key-and-password is another discussion on serverfault. Once again repeating what I said in the beginning. What do you need/want? |
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| 10:58.13 | petern_ | as i said, two-factor authentication |
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| 10:58.29 | petern_ | public-key is one-factor |
| 10:58.33 | petern_ | server password could be another factor |
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| 10:59.30 | petern_ | there is no way to enforce a password policy on a public key |
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| 11:05.02 | jargon- | anybody else getting "Bad Archive" errors with netboot on ftp.x.debian.org mirrors today? |
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| 11:11.03 | riddlebox | hello, if I download a debian iso and use unetbootin to put that onto a usb drive can I install debian from the usbdrive? |
| 11:11.34 | cantido | riddlebox: yes |
| 11:12.00 | cantido | you can apparently also do cat debian.iso > /dev/myusbstickdevicenode too |
| 11:12.16 | riddlebox | hrmm I will try it again, it started to boot but had error |
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| 11:12.54 | babilen | !tell riddlebox -about usb install |
| 11:13.03 | babilen | riddlebox: unetbootin is known to cause problems |
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| 11:13.31 | jeredepp | it also could be the brand of your usb stick |
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| 11:13.40 | cantido | riddlebox: booting from usb isn't an exact science |
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| 11:13.42 | jeredepp | specially with sandisk |
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| 11:15.43 | riddlebox | cantido, I have been doing it for awhile but this was this first time I ever had any problems |
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| 11:15.50 | mrtnt86 | I have a bash script executed by cron with 60s interval: "*/1****martin/home/martin/script.sh". What happens if "script.sh" runs longer than 60s? The "script.sh" is started again with different process ID? |
| 11:16.03 | lorimar | hi there. i'm pretty new to debian. I'm in the process of upgrading from lenny to squeeze. during the apt-get dist-upgrade process, i got the following error regarding the grub and the new kernel: http://pastebin.com/TE77Huwb |
| 11:16.07 | cantido | riddlebox: certain bios refuse to boot anything from usb |
| 11:16.39 | lorimar | i haven't rebooted yet out of concern that there will be problems booting using the new version of grub (grub2) |
| 11:16.40 | riddlebox | cantido, I know this laptop can, I have done it many times, maybe it was my download I will redownload and check the md5sum |
| 11:16.42 | cantido | riddlebox: unetbootin has worked for me every time I've used.. probably about 5 machines in total |
| 11:17.12 | jeredepp | riddlebox: have you completely wiped your stick? |
| 11:17.39 | riddlebox | jeredepp, yeah I format it before I put any iso on it |
| 11:18.29 | riddlebox | ok just put another image on it so I will reboot and see if it works with this one |
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| 11:18.45 | jeredepp | riddlebo: beacuase i had that problem with sandisk sticks and usb drives, everytime i plugged it in it created a file wich made it impossible to boot, i had to scatter the volume first before it would actually work |
| 11:18.48 | babilen | lorimar: That shouldn't happen during the dist-upgrade step. You *are required* to upgrade the kernel and udev *before* the dist-upgrade and reboot as detailed in the release notes. |
| 11:18.53 | babilen | !tell lorimar -about release notes |
| 11:18.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell lorimar -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:20.14 | babilen | lorimar: Or does this happen after you upgraded the kernel/udev and rebooted already? The "no such file or directory" error is also suspicious. |
| 11:20.19 | lorimar | babilen: so apparently i've screwed that up then |
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| 11:20.24 | cantido | babilen: it seems to be complaining about grub not the kernel |
| 11:20.36 | lorimar | I was going based on the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#proposed-updates |
| 11:20.37 | babilen | cantido: Indeed |
| 11:20.48 | cantido | didn't grub go away? i.e. he needs grub2? |
| 11:20.50 | babilen | lorimar: What did you do exactly? At which step in the upgrade process are you? |
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| 11:21.29 | lorimar | I've already done an apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:21.41 | babilen | lorimar: Yeah, those instructions are perfect. Are you at 4.4.5 or at 4.4.6? |
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| 11:22.11 | babilen | lorimar: Sounds as if you skipped 4.4.5 :-/ |
| 11:22.33 | lorimar | babilen: apparently so |
| 11:23.02 | lorimar | babilen: that's what i get for not having any caffene before attempting this |
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| 11:24.22 | lorimar | babilen: anything i can do to save this system at this point? |
| 11:24.28 | babilen | Apparently the postinst of inux-image-2.6.32-5-686 fails - The question is why? Do you have /sbin/update-grub? What happens if you run it manually? Which version of grub is installed at the moment? What about udev? |
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| 11:25.22 | lorimar | babilen: i apparently do not have /sbin/update-grub |
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| 11:26.18 | riddlebox | ok got the usb drive working....before i selected to start it like it was a livecd..this time i selected the gui install and it workednright away |
| 11:26.46 | lorimar | babilen: not sure what version of grub i have at this point |
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| 11:27.20 | babilen | lorimar: "aptitude versions ~i~ngrub" should answer that |
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| 11:28.37 | lorimar | babilen: 0.94-64 |
| 11:28.44 | lorimar | sorry, typo |
| 11:28.48 | lorimar | 0.97-64 |
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| 11:30.05 | babilen | lorimar: That is grub 1 -- May I see that output? |
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| 11:30.35 | lorimar | babilen: http://pastebin.com/KRTjiNA3 |
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| 11:33.14 | babilen | lorimar: That is not the output of "aptitude search ~i~ngrub" :) -- And please use http://paste.debian.net -- Unfortunately I have to leave now. (lunch) -- I would make sure that you have grub installed (either grub-legacy (1) or grub-pc) -- Run "dpkg --configure -a" which will configure pending packages. |
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| 11:34.50 | lorimar | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/163664/ |
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| 11:35.08 | babilen | lorimar: That should run the postinst of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 (and hence install grub) -- All that being said: It might still not work due to you not following the proper procedure. You might actually want to forget about the dist-upgrade step and continue with udev/kernel installation. |
| 11:35.25 | lorimar | babilen: i've reached my maintanance window on this now regardless. will have to wait until tomorrow morning to do anything further |
| 11:35.26 | babilen | lorimar: Ah, so you have /usr/sbin/update-grub? |
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| 11:35.53 | babilen | lorimar: Well, ok. That is unfortunate -- It might be that you have to restore from backups and try again. |
| 11:35.57 | ChesterX | hey guys, which cd should i download (debian stable) to get the xfce desktop? |
| 11:36.04 | ChesterX | or the kde for that matter |
| 11:36.31 | babilen | !tell ChesterX -about install xfce |
| 11:36.36 | babilen | !tell ChesterX -about install kde |
| 11:36.40 | babilen | !tell ChesterX -about various cd1 |
| 11:37.06 | lorimar | babilen: that will have to wait for tomorrow too unfortunately |
| 11:37.32 | babilen | ChesterX: But basically: You can use every image to install every desktop environment. I would recommend to the netinstall if you have a working (wired) network connection during the installation. On what kind of hardware are you installing? |
| 11:38.03 | cantido | lorimar: you should be ok.. you should still have a working kernel :) |
| 11:38.14 | babilen | (2.6.26 that is) |
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| 11:38.37 | lorimar | cantido: hopefully. guess i will find out tomorrow if i try to reboot |
| 11:38.40 | cantido | lorimar: I would make a debian-install cd ready for tomorrow though, just in case you need to boot into the rescue system |
| 11:38.57 | babilen | lorimar: You *are* using grub2 (grub-pc) not grub1 btw |
| 11:40.05 | babilen | I wonder why update-grub fails -- I *guess* it is due to udev, but I am not entirely sure. |
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| 11:42.17 | lorimar | babilen: sorry, was afk a sec. i have /usr/sbin/update-grub and /usr/sbin/update-grub2 |
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| 11:43.07 | cantido | I have both of those on sid.. I think they are the same thing.. |
| 11:43.31 | cantido | they do the same thing at least :) |
| 11:43.45 | lorimar | babilen: here is the output of dpkg --configure -a http://paste.debian.net/163665/ |
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| 11:45.15 | cantido | lorimar: that looks right, it's running grub-update |
| 11:45.45 | lorimar | cantido: good sign then. so i might be ok for tomorrow then? |
| 11:46.33 | cantido | lorimar: even if you can boot off of the disk you're ok, if you boot the install cd you can jump into the installed system :) |
| 11:46.39 | cantido | s/can/can't/ |
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| 11:47.21 | cantido | you need to update the kernel and udev then reboot anyhow I think, so you'll soon find out |
| 11:47.45 | lorimar | cantido: thanks for your help, guess i'll be back tomorrow |
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| 11:57.54 | Mohsen_Hassani | While installing Debian using a USB, I get an error "Debootstrap warning" Saying can't find file://...gnupg_1.4.10-4_amd64.deb was corrupt |
| 11:58.16 | Mohsen_Hassani | I'm using the same USB at the same time for installing Debian on other Laptops and they worked good! |
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| 12:04.04 | calrogman | How come #debian-next is invite only? |
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| 12:05.12 | Famic | hi |
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| 12:05.50 | riddlebox | cantido, ok I am up and running on this laptop with debian now, I was thinking I had a livecd when I first booted, not that it was just an install disc |
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| 12:06.10 | cantido | riddlebox: glad it all worked out :) |
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| 12:06.43 | Famic | anyone would know why when adding content to a long line in jed, it will break in two lines ? |
| 12:07.19 | riddlebox | cantido, yeah, I have been meaning to get debian running on here, I have become dissatisfied with the other distros and know I will be happy with debian, my server has been running it for over 2 years and never has an issue |
| 12:07.43 | cantido | I've been using debian too long to use anything else :/ |
| 12:08.01 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know if there is a way to specify into crontab that I want multiple command to execute? |
| 12:08.12 | Woet | _Christophe_: command1 && command2 |
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| 12:08.17 | _Christophe_ | It seems mine don't work using ';' (semicolon character) |
| 12:08.19 | Woet | _Christophe_: or just 2 crontabs |
| 12:08.36 | _Christophe_ | Woet, I don't want the second depend on the first one |
| 12:08.43 | Woet | _Christophe_: then 2 crontabs. |
| 12:08.46 | cantido | chaining with && is good because if the first fails the second won't run |
| 12:08.52 | _Christophe_ | Yes |
| 12:08.55 | _Christophe_ | Just take a look |
| 12:09.04 | _Christophe_ | Hummm |
| 12:09.05 | Woet | _Christophe_: take a look at what? |
| 12:09.09 | _Christophe_ | Pastebin maybe |
| 12:09.17 | Woet | [14:08:36] <_Christophe_> Woet, I don't want the second depend on the first one |
| 12:09.17 | Woet | [14:08:43] <Woet> _Christophe_: then 2 crontabs. |
| 12:09.19 | riddlebox | cantido, I do have a question, when I run aptitude install blah there is an app that fails, the bcm43-firmware-installer ....how do I clear it so it doesnt try to install it everytime? |
| 12:09.32 | _Christophe_ | Woet, you'll see ;) |
| 12:09.40 | calrogman | riddlebox: Fails how? |
| 12:09.43 | cantido | riddlebox: aptitude remove .. is it failing to configure? |
| 12:09.45 | Mohsen_Hassani | While installing Debian using a USB, I get an error "Debootstrap warning" Saying can't find file://...gnupg_1.4.10-4_amd64.deb was corrupt |
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| 12:10.08 | cantido | Mohsen_Hassani: check dmesg in one of the virtual terminals |
| 12:10.10 | riddlebox | cantido, yeah because it was the wrong card |
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| 12:10.59 | _Christophe_ | Woet, cantido, look: http://pastebin.com/ZriaXxFf |
| 12:11.13 | _Christophe_ | What I want to do : |
| 12:11.31 | _Christophe_ | I want the first line execute on monday to friday at 20:30 |
| 12:11.54 | Woet | http://pastebin.com/LG3ntaNS |
| 12:12.05 | _Christophe_ | I want the stop command execute each monday to friday moring at 06:30 |
| 12:13.06 | _Christophe_ | And as I want the rsync command to turn the most time during the week-end so just stop and start |
| 12:13.11 | _Christophe_ | I look Woet |
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| 12:13.32 | _Christophe_ | *I'll look |
| 12:14.12 | cantido | _Christophe_: why do you need two scripts? |
| 12:14.18 | _Christophe_ | Lol Woet |
| 12:14.28 | _Christophe_ | It is easier |
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| 12:14.55 | cantido | you should look at start-stop-daemon |
| 12:15.02 | _Christophe_ | Woet, don't you think it could be betteer in another way? |
| 12:15.11 | Woet | _Christophe_: listen to cantido |
| 12:15.13 | _Christophe_ | Do you have an idea why my script don't work? |
| 12:15.34 | danilom | hi all, |
| 12:15.35 | _Christophe_ | Actually, I can't spend to much time on this scripts :( |
| 12:15.50 | _Christophe_ | Thanks for start-stop-daemon |
| 12:16.04 | danilom | i cant open read or burn in a DVD sata writer, when i try to mount |
| 12:16.05 | danilom | root@debian2:/home/danilo# mount /media/cdrom |
| 12:16.05 | danilom | mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 |
| 12:16.15 | danilom | im using wheezy |
| 12:16.52 | _Christophe_ | Woet, and cantido, what I want is not a king of daemon. |
| 12:16.56 | danilom | this the line in fstab |
| 12:16.57 | danilom | /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 12:17.05 | _Christophe_ | I manage multiple script like the one I posted |
| 12:17.13 | _Christophe_ | For multiple machines |
| 12:17.23 | cantido | it's starting and stopping some rsync job? |
| 12:17.32 | _Christophe_ | So I have the couple start/stop for each machine |
| 12:17.45 | _Christophe_ | It is complete script |
| 12:17.47 | cantido | how does it check the job is running? |
| 12:17.50 | _Christophe_ | Not just a rsync command |
| 12:17.51 | calrogman | What problem are you having with the crontab you pasted, exactly? |
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| 12:18.15 | _Christophe_ | The start don't work on satursday and sunday |
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| 12:18.49 | _Christophe_ | cantido, the stop look for the call to the complete script path in the process list |
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| 12:20.15 | cantido | why doesn't stop && start work? if it's not running stop exits with an error? |
| 12:20.27 | _Christophe_ | Yes |
| 12:20.53 | _Christophe_ | Because the last thing I do is: ps aux | grep "$SCRIPTS_ROOT/$BACKUP_ID/rsync_$BACKUP_ID" | grep -v grep >> /dev/null |
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| 12:21.16 | _Christophe_ | So if this return 1 because there no such process it will exit with 1 |
| 12:21.23 | _Christophe_ | So && wil not work |
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| 12:21.38 | _Christophe_ | Waht I don't understand is why does the ';' (semicolon) don't work |
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| 12:22.21 | calrogman | Minor nitpick, not sure if it will help: you're only redirecting stdout and stderr for the rsync_start script. |
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| 12:23.13 | _Christophe_ | Humm |
| 12:23.41 | _Christophe_ | Actually for the stop command I can remove the redirection |
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| 12:24.29 | cantido | can't remember how cron runs the jobs |
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| 12:24.51 | _Christophe_ | :( |
| 12:24.57 | _Christophe_ | Thanks ;) |
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| 12:26.12 | calrogman | cantido: man 5 crontab ;) |
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| 12:31.29 | calrogman | _Christophe_: This is gonna sound silly, you do have a \n at the end of the last line of the crontab, right?... |
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| 12:33.42 | cantido | _Christophe_: btw command; command; works fine here.. |
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| 12:35.02 | jelly | gives _Christophe_ pgrep -f |
| 12:35.14 | _Christophe_ | ? |
| 12:35.18 | _Christophe_ | Hummm |
| 12:35.48 | _Christophe_ | calrogman, my crontab works well it is just this line with the stop/start |
| 12:36.09 | _Christophe_ | pgrep, I'll look |
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| 12:37.38 | Woet | [14:15:35] <_Christophe_> Actually, I can't spend to much time on this scripts :( |
| 12:37.49 | Woet | yet you're working on it for more than 15 minutes now instead of my solution |
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| 12:38.10 | _Christophe_ | Woet, I think I'll apply your suggestion :) |
| 12:38.16 | calrogman | What happens if you `echo -e "/path/rsync_stop\n/path/rsync_start" > /path/rsync_restart' and run rsync rsync_restart on the last line? |
| 12:38.42 | calrogman | :s/rsync rsync/rsync/ |
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| 12:39.40 | _Christophe_ | In my Syslog the command is been logged :Apr 14 21:00:01 ns366200 /USR/SBIN/CRON[29100]: (root) CMD ( /path/to/rsync_stop; /path/to/rsync_start > /dev/null 2>&1) |
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| 12:40.23 | _Christophe_ | lol calrogman |
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| 12:41.27 | calrogman | Are you laughing because I'm funny or because you prefer Emacs? :) |
| 12:42.06 | _Christophe_ | Because you're funny:) |
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| 12:42.41 | _Christophe_ | calrogman, I don't understand your test |
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| 12:44.08 | calrogman | Let me clarify: what happens if instead of the rsync_stop; rsync_start command in the crontab, you put those in a seperate script and run that instead? |
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| 12:44.15 | _Christophe_ | Thanks jelly for pgrep command ;) |
| 12:44.31 | _Christophe_ | Ah ok |
| 12:44.41 | _Christophe_ | Good idea calrogman, I'll do it :) |
| 12:44.51 | _Christophe_ | Thanks for all your solutions guys :) |
| 12:44.59 | _Christophe_ | I really appreciate ;) |
| 12:46.17 | calrogman | You can repay me by giving me a recommendation for my CV, "This guy can fix tricky sh*t". :P |
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| 12:47.02 | calrogman | If it works, of course. |
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| 12:47.25 | jargon- | anybody else getting "Bad Archive" errors with netboot on ftp.x.debian.org mirrors today? |
| 12:47.32 | cantido | if not he can put "don't hire this guy!!" on your cv? heh |
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| 12:48.24 | calrogman | Well, funemployment works for me. |
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| 12:48.52 | _Christophe_ | Lol calrogman |
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| 12:49.15 | vlt | Hello. Is there a way to create a block device (of a fixed size) in RAM without an losetup'd file in a tmpfs as overhead? |
| 12:49.27 | cantido | calrogman: like working from home without pretending to work :) |
| 12:49.59 | calrogman | Exactly! More time for angbanding. :) |
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| 13:05.12 | intore__ | hi, i've a debian squeeze server with ldap installed. i want that every user will logon using his ldap credentials from the ubuntu clients will have him home directory on the server. could someone help me in the configuration please? |
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| 13:09.15 | caravel | intore__: I can *not* help you with this, however 1) a wild guess would be that you'd need NFS configured too 2) you probably need to tell more details about where you are stuck, or you may not receive any help at all |
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| 13:13.09 | yeled | does anyone know if archive.debian.org is rsync/ftpsyncable ? |
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| 13:13.26 | intore__ | caravel: i asked before about the general argument. well. i didn't install nfs, i use samba because there will be some windows pc will login in the network. in smb.conf do i have to specify every home directory of every user? |
| 13:15.18 | caravel | intore__: no, IIRC you can use variables for user/group names in samba conf |
| 13:16.35 | Kriminel1 | continuing my infected VPS image saga, i have installed ispcp that comes with an anti-rootkit scanner. Here is the last part of the log: http://pastebin.com/CFSUVJnr anything i can do about that? Something that doesnt require a wipe/reinstall of the image? |
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| 13:17.20 | intore__ | caravel: like %u? |
| 13:17.31 | cantido | Kriminel1: backup your data and reinstall it .. that's the only way to be sure |
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| 13:18.11 | micols | would you use aptitude for debian upgrades of servers or apt-get and why? , I saw some sysadm using aptitude and I didn't know why he didn't use apt-get instead |
| 13:18.12 | Kriminel1 | cantido: did that 4 times already, the problem is that the host is so pro they have their OpenVZ images pre-infected or something |
| 13:18.41 | cantido | Kriminel1: well, if they are pre-infected.. why the hell are you still using them? |
| 13:18.50 | cantido | them == that isp |
| 13:19.24 | Kriminel1 | cantido: good question, at this point i spent so much time trying to sort this shit out i cant back down now, wondered if i can clean my instance and let them be |
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| 13:20.18 | cantido | don't waste the time, get your money back and get hosting somewhere else like amazon |
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| 13:20.47 | Kriminel1 | i have 2 instances running on EC2 but they dont provide west coast instances |
| 13:20.52 | Kriminel1 | i need 2 on the west coast too |
| 13:21.48 | cantido | I would prefer latency over pre-rootkit'ed os images :/ |
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| 13:22.19 | Ahmeds | Hi |
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| 13:23.03 | calrogman | micols: I use aptitude except when I need to sue apt-get to upgrade aptitude because there's a horrible bug in aptitude. Commands are executed by cron(8) when the minute, hour, and month of year fields match the current time, and when at least one of the two day fields (day of month, or day of week) match the current |
| 13:23.18 | calrogman | Whoops, wrong paste buffer... |
| 13:23.20 | Kriminel1 | cantido: i completely agree |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | uses aptitude to upgrade aaptitude all the time |
| 13:23.32 | calrogman | http://bugs.debian.org/?bug=669060 |
| 13:23.37 | simonlnu | ame here |
| 13:23.39 | simonlnu | s |
| 13:23.50 | simonlnu | (and less typo prone too) |
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| 13:24.13 | rednovae | i'm in the middle of a competition so i can't report this now but where can i submit a bug report for debian's lighttpd package? |
| 13:24.28 | simonlnu | !reportbug |
| 13:24.28 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | calrogman: uhm .. but has been fixed .. |
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| 13:24.52 | abrotman | calrogman: try again |
| 13:25.05 | calrogman | Yeah, abrotman, but to fix it, you need to upgrade aptitude. If your copy of aptitude is afflicted by the bug, it won't work, so you have to use apt-get. |
| 13:25.29 | simonlnu | !dbugs 669060 |
| 13:25.30 | calrogman | That's the first time I've used apt-get in years. |
| 13:25.33 | dpkg | DONE:#669060:I[apt] Apt: E: Internal error: APT::pkgPackageManager::MaxLoopCount reached in SmartConfigure (); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:42:01 UTC [669044 669093 669135] |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | calrogman: that's the danger of running unstable .. i don't feel bad for you .. |
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| 13:26.29 | calrogman | Good, I don't either. I just got unlucky, and it's all fixed now anyway. |
| 13:26.52 | abrotman | if you're running usntable, it will happen sooner or later .. everyone gets bit |
| 13:27.13 | calrogman | Fortunately, this bug wasn't rabid. |
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| 13:27.24 | cantido | bugs are part of the fun |
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| 13:27.51 | calrogman | They're good fun and satisfying to fix, aren't they cantido? :) |
| 13:28.11 | caravel | intore__: I don't know, I don't use samba like this, look at man sbm.conf ... |
| 13:28.18 | abrotman | you fixed it ? |
| 13:28.23 | cantido | I don't upgrade all that often,.. I haven't had anything break for ages |
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| 13:28.52 | cantido | last thing that broke for me was mesa giving out stupid glx versions strings .. I doubt many people noticed that |
| 13:29.13 | calrogman | I didn't fix that bug, I just upgraded to the version that was fixed (by somebody else). |
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| 13:30.15 | calrogman | That's how most people fix problems with their systems on unstable, doing an `aptitude upgrade'. |
| 13:30.43 | micols | calrogman: why not use apt-get ?:) |
| 13:30.59 | micols | apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:31.08 | _znull | peterrooney : server is up and running but the same old loads.. |
| 13:31.10 | micols | i always used apt-get |
| 13:31.19 | calrogman | Well I did this time, because aptitude was broken. :P |
| 13:31.37 | babilen | calrogman: To be fair: That bug has been reported and was fixed within a *very* short timeframe. apt-listbugs helped most users to not run into this problem -- You might want to stick to some unstable-best-practices and run (at least!) apt-listbugs |
| 13:31.45 | micols | but i like ncurses too, i just dont see a big reason for aptitude overhead for such things :) |
| 13:32.02 | micols | it must have some features apt-get doesn't |
| 13:32.09 | micols | for upgrades |
| 13:32.42 | cantido | micols: apt-get apparently has the main feature which is removing automatically installed packages.. I've never seen apt-get actually do it though |
| 13:32.43 | calrogman | babilen: I have apt-listbugs installed and hooked in to aptitude. I upgraded aptitude before the bug was reported. |
| 13:33.07 | micols | there is both apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:33.23 | micols | so don't know why people use aptitude for that? |
| 13:33.26 | micols | (in cron) |
| 13:33.36 | micols | could it be some locking issue, apt locks? |
| 13:33.41 | peterrooney | _znull and did you change the rather extreme 30000 spares? |
| 13:33.44 | cantido | aptitude seems to eat a lot of cpu time working out how to resolve conflicts :/ |
| 13:33.46 | abrotman | micols: your question doesn't make sense |
| 13:33.47 | calrogman | I use aptitude because I prefer its dependency resolution. |
| 13:33.57 | abrotman | cantido: it does, but that can save you in some circumstances |
| 13:34.04 | micols | abrotman: apt locks so you cannot use apt when upgrading |
| 13:34.12 | micols | apt-get install won't work i.e. |
| 13:34.13 | abrotman | cantido: and honestly, on a modern system, not that noticable |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | micols: that doesn't make any sense |
| 13:34.33 | cantido | abrotman: yeah, it's worth the 20 minutes or so it takes for aptitude to output anything on 2 of my machines :) |
| 13:34.34 | micols | but the question is why does anyone use aptitude over apt in cron(8) |
| 13:34.36 | micols | for system upgrades |
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| 13:34.42 | micols | automatic system upgrades |
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| 13:35.03 | abrotman | micols: for the same reason they'd use aptitude over apt-get in normal circumstances? |
| 13:35.11 | abrotman | cantido: 486? |
| 13:35.17 | cantido | abrotman: arm and sh4 |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | cantido: last time i booted my 486, it didn't take aptitude 20 minutes to do stuff |
| 13:35.53 | cantido | the sh4 only has 64mb of ram and it constantly has to swap to keep aptitude running |
| 13:35.57 | micols | ok, thought it might have been better at the job, apt-get is faster probably |
| 13:36.03 | abrotman | the 486 has 36MB |
| 13:36.16 | abrotman | cantido: though i think it's still running lenny at this point |
| 13:37.11 | cantido | mm maybe I had disk issues or something.. running off of CF and SD cards ain't great |
| 13:37.20 | cantido | apt-get is fine on both of those machines though |
| 13:37.31 | calrogman | To find out why you should use apt-get, please run `aptitude why apt-utils'. :) |
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| 13:40.53 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 13:40.58 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.27 | peterrooney | mutters, "what he said" |
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| 13:41.58 | cantido | is still waiting for the output!! |
| 13:42.09 | calrogman | Very helpful, `why' is an example of a feature aptitude has that apt does not. |
| 13:42.11 | _znull | peterrooney : any ideea how can I debug the load? |
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| 13:43.13 | peterrooney | _znull: if I recall rightly, you were loading up your apache server with 30000 spares. |
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| 13:44.15 | burhan | are packages from debian testing included in backports? |
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| 13:45.11 | babilen | burhan: Packages on http://backports.debian.org are backported from testing to stable |
| 13:45.15 | _znull | peterrooney : i lower those.. but i think is something wrong with the disk.. is doing only 3mb/s and io is about %30 |
| 13:45.43 | burhan | babilen, only those? |
| 13:45.47 | babilen | Yes |
| 13:46.45 | peterrooney | _znull: and swap not being used... what does swapon -s reveal? |
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| 13:47.21 | babilen | burhan: Or rather: A small subset of packages in testing are backport to stable and made available on http://backports.debian.org . It is, however, possible to backport packages yourself from testing/sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb". Check first if all build-depedencies can be satisfied with "/msg judd checkbackport $PKG" |
| 13:48.05 | _znull | peterrooney : /dev/sda2 partition 7815612 0 -1 |
| 13:48.26 | burhan | babilen: are you sure about that URL? Its redirecting me to backports-master.debian.org which isn't opening |
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| 13:51.11 | babilen | burhan: bellini is down |
| 13:51.27 | peterrooney | Huh. I was sure your swap wasn't mounted, for some reason. At a bit of a loss, I'm afraid. |
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| 13:51.47 | babilen | burhan: Hmm, but bdo is not hosted on bellini :-/ |
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| 13:53.21 | babilen | burhan: bdo is hosted on morricone which is (like bellini) also sponsored/hosted at the University of British Columbia -- I guess they have some problems. Not entirely sure and would have to investigate. The URL is, however, correct |
| 13:54.03 | berzerka | hello there, debian folks. i am running this (testing) system since august 2008 and decided to get rid of some of the cruft which has accumulated over the years. when i query the "manually installed" packages with "aptitude search '~i!~M!~E'", i get a list of 1827 packages, which is certainly not correct as i can also tell by many package names in that list. could it be that only aptitude properly marks pkgs installed as dep as automatically insta |
| 13:54.03 | berzerka | lled? i always used apt-get all those years... |
| 13:54.11 | burhan | babilen: I'll bookmark it. My question I suppose is - is there a nomination process for backporting? |
| 13:54.28 | babilen | burhan: Not really. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:54.30 | burhan | babilen: can I expect say python2.7 to be backported? |
| 13:54.41 | dshep | how big should my /boot be? |
| 13:55.00 | cantido | burhan: that would probably break tons of python apps.. so I don't think that'll happen |
| 13:55.04 | burhan | I do not want to compile a custom python for our servers (since we have local deb mirrors). |
| 13:55.24 | burhan | cantido: I am hoping it would be included along side python3 |
| 13:55.25 | jelly | dshep: 200MB can fit half a dozen kernel+initrds |
| 13:55.37 | dshep | jelly: thanks :) |
| 13:55.54 | berzerka | dshep: mine is ~500Mb, contains ten legacy kernel versions and is 33% full. |
| 13:56.16 | babilen | burhan: I wouldn't necessarily expect that to happen - But you could ask in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) if somebody plans to work on that. It's not hard to install it to /usr/local though and manage it with stow. you can, furthermore, easily install modules for 2.7 in virtualenvs with pip. That is further eased by virtualenvwrapper. |
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| 13:58.59 | calrogman | Your /boot should be however big you want it to be and if it needs to get bigger you should make it bigger. Assuming LVM is built into the kernel and you're using Grub2 or LILO, a LVM'd /boot is possible. |
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| 14:00.20 | cantido | calrogman: /boot shouldn't be massive either.. some bios don't like big partitions etc. A 200MB /boot on a simple partition using ext3 should work for everything |
| 14:00.34 | burhan | babilen: yes, but virtualenv works on system python ... or did I miss something? |
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| 14:02.43 | calrogman | cantido: Last I checked, the size of /boot doesn't matter if you're using LILO with LBA. I can see a problem arising with a /boot that's not the first partition on the disk, if you're using Grub2 and it's silly 2 stage thing it's got going on though. |
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| 14:04.26 | cantido | calrogman: you get more interesting problems if you use more interesting machines :) |
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| 14:04.50 | berzerka | my plan is to go through the (wrong) list of "manually" installed packages, deleting all packages which i know i installed myself and call markauto on the rest. now the question is: should i be using aptitude as command line tool, or is apt-get (nowadays?) equally capable of tracking automatically installed packages? |
| 14:05.00 | babilen | burhan: I used to fork virtualenvwrapper to give me a mkvirtualenv2.7 -- but we should continue this discussion in #python |
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| 14:05.37 | cantido | spent hours getting debian installed on a sparcstation20 only to find it couldn't boot from partitions >2GB |
| 14:05.38 | jayflux | hi, my debian hasnt updated to apache 2.4. What repository do i need |
| 14:05.45 | ondrejk | hi, how can i rdiff-backup only directories /home/foo and /home/bar? excluding all other |
| 14:06.14 | cantido | jayflux: if you are using stable you won't get apache 2.4 |
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| 14:06.31 | cantido | it's still in experimental I think |
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| 14:06.35 | jayflux | cantido: ok answers my question i suppose |
| 14:06.37 | oops | what's the difference between "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main" and "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" in sources.list? |
| 14:06.43 | jayflux | I checked wikipedia and apache 2.4 is stable |
| 14:06.53 | jayflux | ^ cantido do i just need to wait? |
| 14:06.55 | babilen | !tell jayflux -about stable |
| 14:07.07 | jordanm | jayflux: it's upstream stable, not debian stable |
| 14:07.36 | jayflux | I think i need to learn the different of those |
| 14:07.41 | calrogman | ondrejk: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/rdiff-backup.1.html See section `FILE SELECTION' |
| 14:07.44 | jayflux | buyt i got an idea what you mean |
| 14:07.45 | jayflux | thanks |
| 14:07.51 | berzerka | oops: squeeze-updates is for security updates. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_archive_basics |
| 14:08.10 | oops | berzerka, but I was able to install apache2 from squeeze-updates |
| 14:08.13 | cantido | jayflux: upstream "stable" releases can take a very long time to get into a release.. mysql was really really old for ages |
| 14:08.15 | babilen | jayflux: Debian's stable release *do not change* unless it is needed to fix security related or grave bugs. You definitely won't see apache2.4 in stable at all. It might, once it has been uploaded to unstable and transitioned to testing, be backported to http://backports.debian.org |
| 14:08.52 | oops | berzerka, I mean the entire apache2 httpd. |
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| 14:08.57 | oops | berzerka, not just security updates. |
| 14:09.01 | babilen | jayflux: dpkg (our bot) should have sent you a private message with a some details on what "stable" means in the context of Debian |
| 14:09.14 | jayflux | thabnks guys |
| 14:09.17 | jayflux | thanks* |
| 14:09.26 | jackweb | Hello! I would like to block an IP addr in my computer. I use the following command at startup: `route add -host xyz.com reject`. I would like to run it automatically at boot. What's the best way to do it? To put it into /etc/rc.local file? |
| 14:09.50 | burhan | jackweb: use apf ? |
| 14:09.52 | berzerka | oops: well yes, it contains the full packages, they are simply updated more regularly with security fixes. |
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| 14:10.08 | jayflux | babilen: shame i hear 2.4 is really good, massive improvement :( |
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| 14:10.25 | babilen | jayflux: All that being said: apache2.4 is currently in experimental (/msg dpkg experimental) to give our developers some time to test various configurations with this new release. It *will* eventually be uploaded to unstable and might make it into the next stable release. (cf. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/apache2) |
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| 14:10.48 | jayflux | ok thanks, answered my question. |
| 14:10.57 | cantido | jayflux: Someone will probably eventually package it for squeeze, you would be on your own keeping it running though |
| 14:10.58 | jayflux | Whats the best repositories to use btw for stable |
| 14:11.16 | jayflux | I was on dot deb but accidently downloaded a load of unstable (exprimental) stuff |
| 14:11.23 | jayflux | like php4 etc |
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| 14:11.32 | babilen | jayflux: Sure, we will try to get it into the next stable release, but only if it is save to do so and doesn't introduce a plethora of other problems. That still won't change the fact that stable releases *do not change* (hence "stable") once they have been released. |
| 14:11.40 | burhan | that dotdeb breaks more things than it fixes :/ |
| 14:11.44 | babilen | !tell jayflux -about dotdeb |
| 14:11.55 | cantido | jayflux: php4 is more oldstable than unstable |
| 14:12.20 | jayflux | 5.4 i mean |
| 14:12.28 | babilen | jayflux: You use stable repositories. If you really need newer version you can install some selected backported packages from http://backports.debian.org -- Do *not* mix it with anything else. |
| 14:12.29 | jayflux | ok ill remove dot deb from my sources.list |
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| 14:12.41 | babilen | ,versions php5 |
| 14:12.42 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.1~rc1-1 |
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| 14:12.59 | babilen | ,versions php5.4 |
| 14:13.01 | judd | No package named 'php5.4' was found in i386. |
| 14:13.14 | babilen | didn't we have php5.4 in squeeze-backports? |
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| 14:14.34 | jelly | the php team kinda-sorta promised it |
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| 14:15.01 | jackweb | burhan: I've already installed apf-firewall. Do APF use iptables or is it something else? |
| 14:15.04 | jelly | obviously it hasn't happened yet so far to date |
| 14:15.18 | calrogman | jackweb: /etc/rc.local |
| 14:15.38 | babilen | jelly: I think that I saw it in the NEW queue the other day. Unfortunately morricone (the machine hosting bdo) seems to be down and can't check it. |
| 14:15.53 | jelly | bdo is bdead? |
| 14:15.55 | burhan | jackweb: it uses iptables |
| 14:16.00 | cantido | calrogman: that wouldn't handle the interface going down |
| 14:16.14 | burhan | jackweb: but you may not have good resolution if the block isn't working on boot (ie, DNS might not be working) |
| 14:16.40 | babilen | jelly: Can you reach http://backports-master.debian.org ? |
| 14:17.05 | Night_Elf | Hi all. A noob question but anyhow... in /etc/network/interfaces I have a stanca of "auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet static" and address and mask and all follow. Now I have added another interface, eth1, but I don't want it to have an address, just to bring it up. What should I add in the /etc/network/interfaces for it? |
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| 14:17.40 | burhan | Night_Elf: I think just `auth eth1` |
| 14:17.46 | burhan | err auto eth1 |
| 14:18.16 | babilen | jelly: bellini is down due to a hardware failure (according to #d-d's /topic) -- morricone is hosted at the same location and seems to be down as well. |
| 14:18.19 | Night_Elf | burhan: I have that, but it didn't bring eth1 up on restart. |
| 14:18.37 | Night_Elf | burhan: so I thought maybe some other options should be there as well. |
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| 14:18.55 | jelly | babilen: well they didn't say which hw failed, could be an UPS or a router |
| 14:18.59 | burhan | Night_Elf: how do you know its not up? |
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| 14:19.20 | berzerka | Night_Elf: can't you use 'inet static' and just leave out the address etc lines? |
| 14:19.24 | jelly | babilen: yeah, tcptraceroute stops at 23 a1-a0.net.ubc.ca (142.103.78.249) 218.708 ms 218.571 ms 218.538 ms |
| 14:19.45 | Night_Elf | burhan: I issued a simple ifconfig, it was not there. Also, a virtual machine that is supposed to use it in bridge mode, didn't function. |
| 14:20.06 | burhan | Night_Elf: what happens when you do ifup eth1 |
| 14:20.32 | jelly | Night_Elf: something like iface eth1 inet manual \n \t up ifconfig eth1 up |
| 14:20.48 | jelly | Night_Elf: but if you have bridging, just configure bridging |
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| 14:21.24 | jelly | Night_Elf: bridge-utils-interfaces(5) for details |
| 14:21.46 | cldwalker | hi all, anyone know a way to skip the configuration dialog when installing postfix? DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and -y aren't working |
| 14:21.57 | Night_Elf | jelly: Actually I just bring it up without an ip address and then let the vm (which is configured to have its own interface in bridge mode from the host) manage itself. |
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| 14:25.02 | berzerka | Night_Elf: i _think_ the way the ifup scripts work, it should be possible (if rather hackish) to put a inet static with an "address up" line in the interfaces file. maybe you want to try that. |
| 14:25.21 | combatvet | Can someone send me a link to debian live usb |
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| 14:27.25 | berzerka | Night_Elf: forget what i just proposed :P |
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| 14:27.35 | jackweb | burhan: I've used command apf -d X and it works; thanks |
| 14:28.14 | Night_Elf | jelly: berzerka: I am currently reading and cheking the options for that. Thanks for the hints. I don't want to add an "ifconfig eth1 up" in the /etc/rc.local file. It would get the job done, but it will be sort of .. not standards compatible. |
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| 14:29.17 | dvs | combatvet: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:29.25 | ajaykools | Hi, I am getting errors for installing apache2. I have tried to purge and reinstall. Here is the error that I get http://paste.debian.net/163681/ |
| 14:29.34 | combatvet | Thanks |
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| 14:29.41 | jelly | Night_Elf: what's wrong with a manual stanza |
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| 14:30.28 | Night_Elf | jelly: nothing wrong. I am just testing. But in my local vm, as I can't do that on the intended hardware right now. It has stuff running. |
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| 14:33.08 | Night_Elf | jelly: the man page for interfaces says the manual method has no options. Does that mean that in the /etc/network/interfaces I just need: "auto eth1 \n iface eth1 inet manual" ? |
| 14:33.40 | jelly | Night_Elf: and you need an actual command to bring the link up |
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| 14:37.08 | Night_Elf | jelly: I see. So I just place a file /etc/network/if-up.d/eth1.sh and to its simplest containing "ifconfig eth1 up" ? I am unfamiliar with the if-*.d/ grammar. |
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| 14:39.24 | jelly | Night_Elf: no, just add an up line in the inet manual stanza, like " up ip link set dev eth1 up" |
| 14:39.38 | jelly | or "up ifconfig eth1 up" |
| 14:39.51 | calrogman | So this probably isn't the best place to ask, but does anybody here know if LILO can boot a kernel on a btrfs filesystem? |
| 14:40.18 | berzerka | Night_Elf, jelly: yes this seems to work. you should also put a corresponding "down ifconfig eth1 down" there |
| 14:40.40 | berzerka | or the respective ip call.. |
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| 14:41.29 | cantido | calrogman: lilo can boot almost anything because it codes a list of blocks where the kernel is into the bootloader |
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| 14:41.47 | cantido | calrogman: it just means it isn't all that flexible |
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| 14:43.14 | calrogman | Oh I know it's not flexible, I switched over to it when Grub2 became a thing. The configuration is so much nicer. :) |
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| 14:44.24 | cantido | calrogman: lilo's config? |
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| 14:44.59 | cantido | grub2's config does seem insanely complex compared to grub1.. but I guess there's a reason for that |
| 14:45.36 | burhan | Can someone point to me the correct page to understand package naming conventions (for versions). gnome (1:3.0+7) <-- what is +7 in this? |
| 14:46.08 | sephii | ajaykools: paste your sources.list |
| 14:46.11 | calrogman | The reason has something to do with configurating the doodickle so it functions correctly when an inverse polaroid storm (yes, polaroid like camera) hits the jinglewhatsit and types M-x butterfly into emacs. |
| 14:46.14 | babilen | cantido: It really isn't that bad. Just read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' and edit *only* /etc/default/grub -- I actually find it a bit easier. (provided that the scripts are not buggy) |
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| 14:46.53 | cantido | babilen: I don't touch it.. everything just works these days |
| 14:47.16 | cantido | the symlinks in / and lilo days weren't so good |
| 14:47.33 | ajaykools | sephii, http://paste.debian.net/163682/ |
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| 14:53.09 | sephii | ajaykools: how did you purge it? seems like you're getting a big mess with these insserv scripts |
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| 14:53.42 | ajaykools | sephii, yes big time. I can't even remove a script I wrote. |
| 14:53.55 | ajaykools | sephii, I purged using aptitude |
| 14:53.57 | sephii | ajaykools: what's this keymap script? |
| 14:54.05 | intore__ | hi, someone knows how insert ldap administrator passwd in smbldap_bind.conf? i don't want write it in clear, could i copy the one i used in slapd.conf? it's encypted |
| 14:54.15 | ajaykools | sephii, an xmodmap setup that I have to run on every boot |
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| 14:56.04 | sephii | ajaykools: did you edit any init script by hand? or do you have insserv overrides in /etc/insserv/overrides? |
| 14:56.28 | ajaykools | sephii, no |
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| 14:57.35 | sephii | ajaykools: can you try to remove the services insserv is complaining about as well? |
| 14:57.53 | ajaykools | sephii, I cant even do that. Tried doing that. |
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| 14:58.45 | sephii | ajaykools: what's the error? |
| 14:59.14 | ajaykools | sephii, the same. LSB tags missing |
| 14:59.20 | sephii | ajaykools: you might want to try apt, it's not as smart as aptitude, which is sometimes better |
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| 14:59.53 | sephii | ajaykools: the lsb tags message is just a warning |
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| 15:00.32 | Camber | Hi all. I'm running drupal on a debian web server and it reports error -110 connection timed out when attempting to load a particular external rss feed. When I view the feed in the browser, it loads fine. Is there anything I can use in debian to find the route of where it's failing to load the external feed? |
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| 15:01.04 | ajaykools | sephii, rsyslog has a loop |
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| 15:02.05 | burhan | Camber: check the php logs |
| 15:02.14 | sephii | Camber: try to wget the feed from your server? |
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| 15:03.41 | Camber | sephii: Connection timed out :/ |
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| 15:04.21 | sephii | ajaykools: what does insserv -nv say? |
| 15:04.36 | ajaykools | sephii, sudo apt-get remove --purge <package> ? |
| 15:04.38 | sephii | Camber: try to wget something like http://www.debian.org |
| 15:04.45 | sephii | ajaykools: yeah or apt-get purge |
| 15:05.07 | Camber | sephii: Yeah, just did the google logo and it works fine. Does that indicate it's a problem with the server I'm getting the feed from? |
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| 15:05.27 | ajaykools | sephii, innserv -nv gives the same loop error at rsyslog |
| 15:05.47 | sephii | Camber: it can be the server that's blocking you, or your server that's blocking external requests to this server |
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| 15:06.35 | Nucleus | I'm trying to install firefox in Debian, i have uninstalled Iceweasel and i'm trying to install firefox using the update from the repository of other distro like mint or ubuntu, i'm not sure if it's possible or not, hhich is the best way ? |
| 15:06.41 | sephii | ajaykools: not sure if that could help, but paste your /etc/init.d/rsyslog script |
| 15:06.45 | Camber | sephii: Is there any way to determine which? I can actually log into the external server ssh of needed. |
| 15:06.57 | somiaj | Nucleus: why don't you just get iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 15:07.43 | sephii | Camber: oh, the other server is yours too? I guess you should start by checking your /etc/hosts.deny file and maybe do an iptables -L |
| 15:07.45 | somiaj | Nucleus: DO NOT mix debian sources with other distro's sources, that is only asking for trouble (you will get more than just firefox from that repo that could then cause your system to be buggy/inscure or just broken) |
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| 15:08.54 | ajaykools | sephii, http://paste.debian.net/163687/ |
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| 15:09.07 | Camber | sephii: It isn't owned by me directly, but I have permission to work on it. What's iptables -L? |
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| 15:09.58 | sephii | Camber: it lists the entries you have in iptables |
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| 15:11.02 | ajaykools | sephii, I can't even purge apache2.2-common. It is partially configured. |
| 15:11.05 | sephii | ajaykools: I don't see anything weird in the header... but i'm no insserv expert. have you tried using apt-get instead of aptitude? |
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| 15:11.36 | ajaykools | sephii, yes, tried both |
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| 15:11.51 | sephii | ajaykools: and if you apt-get install apache2.2-common ? |
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| 15:13.21 | Night_Elf | jelly: berzerka: thanks for the hints, and sorry for I was afk for a while. |
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| 15:13.46 | ajaykools | sephii, fails at configuring apache2.2-common |
| 15:13.56 | Flawless | Hi guys. Debian has some debian-specific emacs policies. Can anyone tell me what startup files are loaded after /etc/emacs{,23}/site-start.d ? I've put a new default color scheme in there, but it wont take, because some later file overrides it |
| 15:13.56 | Camber | sephii: Both are empty. I doubt it would be blocked based on the ip address, perhaps something else :/ |
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| 15:14.31 | sephii | ajaykools: same errors with insserv related stuff? |
| 15:14.42 | ajaykools | sephii, yes |
| 15:14.57 | sephii | ajaykools: maybe dpkg-reconfigure apache2.2-common? although I'm not sure it will work with a half-configured package... |
| 15:15.07 | Camber | sephii: I suppose if I was to wget, but the other way around (server b to server a) it would indicate which end the block is on? Unless I couldn't wget either way |
| 15:15.09 | ajaykools | Debian should move towards upstart :) |
| 15:15.38 | calrogman | ajaykools: Don't even joke about that. |
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| 15:16.30 | Nucleus | Does anyone know how/where i add a new repository link ? |
| 15:16.37 | Nucleus | :| |
| 15:16.43 | sephii | Camber: you could try that yes. you could also try to run a network sniffer like tcpdump and check what's going on |
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| 15:17.00 | ajaykools | calrogman,Then help me with insserv |
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| 15:18.15 | Camber | sephii: ok, thanks for the help :) |
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| 15:23.38 | karlpinc | ajaykools: Did you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/insserv/* and the insserv man page? |
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| 15:24.24 | ajaykools | karlpinc, I am getting these errors about insserv since I updated. I was not getting them earlier, and I have not played around with any of the scripts. |
| 15:24.38 | ajaykools | But, no I have not read those docs. |
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| 15:41.01 | karlpinc | ajaykools: Your script is not lsb compliant. See the insserv man page for a listing of the proper "headers" or read the stuff in the doc dir. |
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| 15:43.14 | burhan | can someone tell me (or trigger the bot to tell me) the page that lists ISO for testing |
| 15:43.42 | burhan | !testing |
| 15:43.48 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 15:44.04 | burhan | oh hey bot is public :) |
| 15:44.16 | karlpinc | !tell burhan about msg the bot |
| 15:44.32 | karlpinc | burhan: The usual approach is to install stable and upgrade. |
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| 15:44.53 | burhan | oh good cause I already have stable iso |
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| 15:45.28 | tekzilla | trying to partition a 3tb drive, fdisk says "you must set cylinders", cfdisk says "cannot get disk size". any idea whats going on ? |
| 15:46.03 | karlpinc | tekzilla: ? Too big for the bios? |
| 15:46.37 | tekzilla | karlpinc: yeah i thought about that.. bios should be from around 2006 |
| 15:46.43 | karlpinc | tekzilla: Is it efi (sp?)? You may have to use parted. |
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| 15:47.41 | tekzilla | karlpinc: i'll try a bios update later, thanks |
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| 15:48.34 | burhan | is there a laptop HCL for debian? |
| 15:48.37 | karlpinc | tekzilla: That was just a guess. |
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| 15:49.10 | deb0 | Why wouldn't XFCE save my settings? The xfce root terminal does save its settings though. |
| 15:49.42 | dshep | so i reinstalled debian from the same install media and the second time i get a non-graphical grub screen vs the graphical one the first time, why the difference? |
| 15:50.06 | jargon- | anybody else getting "Bad Archive" errors with netboot on ftp.x.debian.org mirrors today? |
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| 15:50.23 | burhan | jargon-: I just downloaded one right now, no errors |
| 15:50.30 | tekzilla | karlpinc: yeah but it makes sense, cant see other reasons. off to eat |
| 15:50.37 | jargon- | burhan: ok,thanks |
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| 15:51.29 | karlpinc | dshep: No clue. If it's a bug in the installer you could ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, that's for the installer developers. But, you know, it ususally you, not the software. :-) |
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| 15:53.57 | ironm | hello. Please allow me one question: I have tested shortly virt-manager to manage KVM VMs. Is there a better choice? |
| 15:54.11 | ironm | thank you in advance for any hints ;) |
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| 15:57.34 | dshep | karlpinc: thanks, will try that |
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| 16:04.08 | Nucleus | Who can give a name of a programme like Brasero but a programme that already has an option to erase discs. :| Brasero doesn't have and i only use dvd rw. |
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| 16:05.59 | dthrvr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.51 | karlpinc | !tell Nucleus about search |
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| 16:15.02 | kupo | I'm getting connection refused using network-console installer on squeeze |
| 16:15.05 | kupo | anyone know why? |
| 16:15.16 | kupo | sorry "Permission Denied" |
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| 16:19.15 | burhan | kupo: obviously the permission is denied. Are you root? In wheel group? Using sudo? |
| 16:19.32 | kupo | burhan: this is the installer |
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| 16:20.16 | kupo | burhan: your question doesn't actually make sense in this context |
| 16:20.28 | burhan | sorry you are getting this from the installer itself? Then it sounds like a proxy issue. |
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| 16:21.25 | kupo | burhan: it's a local lan though |
| 16:21.36 | kupo | burhan: yea it's freaking weird |
| 16:21.53 | burhan | I ran into that at work on a Windows lan with a proxy :/ |
| 16:22.01 | tash | I've got about 30-50 debian servers to manage. Quarterly, I check to make sure nobody has access that shouldn't. And I've been doing 'cat /etc/passwd' and just eyeballing it. Is there some easier way to do this? Maybe even to check them all at once? |
| 16:22.31 | burhan | tash: how about controlling the access using a central server? |
| 16:23.15 | krisfremen | tash: put them in a git repo and make a script that fetches them from time to time and emails you if there are changes |
| 16:23.23 | krisfremen | that's how I monitor my servers.. |
| 16:23.33 | krisfremen | well, for stuff other than servers |
| 16:23.35 | krisfremen | than users* |
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| 16:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | tash: You could install something like tripwire that would email you any time there was a change. |
| 16:23.52 | burhan | tash: I want to say puppet would do this ... but I haven't used it exactly in your scenario |
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| 16:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | Nucleus: I don't believe it's necessary to erase dvd's. |
| 16:24.50 | krisfremen | tripwire is good too, but if someone has gotten access to stuff that they shouldn't.. they check for tripwire and such |
| 16:25.08 | kupo | tash: you probably want to use cfengine or a configuration managent tool |
| 16:25.35 | jhutchins_lt | krisfremen: Well, if they have root access you're hosed anyway. |
| 16:25.36 | kupo | tash: at the very least rsync from a master file to your machines |
| 16:25.59 | kupo | tash: wait are they all supposed to have the SAME /etc/passwd? |
| 16:26.22 | arnoldB | is there a irc channel for APT (sourcecode) related questions? |
| 16:26.25 | arnoldB | *an |
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| 16:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | We're assuming that a) All of the servers have the same users, and b) We're worried about people adding new accounts - which would have other symptoms. |
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| 16:27.31 | ajaykools | karlpinc, Thanks a lot. I want to run a script on boot, where should I add them? |
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| 16:28.27 | tash | kupo: I need to think about that for a minute, probably not... |
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| 16:28.44 | tash | I essentially want to make sure that nobody outside of our ops team has a a user account |
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| 16:29.16 | tash | so if I had something that would email me the /etc/passwd file of every server once a quarter or something that'd be pretty cool, so I wouldn't have to ssh to all the damn servers |
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| 16:29.43 | JPT | why don't you limit the ops you don't trust to defined commands using sudo? |
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| 16:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | tash: Are the servers within a private network, or are they distributed over the internet? |
| 16:30.39 | tash | private |
| 16:30.42 | JPT | ah, yeah. and etckeeper is an awesome helper. add a commit hook and you're done. |
| 16:30.44 | tash | JPT: idk :) |
| 16:30.54 | jhutchins_lt | tash: In that case, use NIS and you only have one file to worry about. |
| 16:31.01 | arnoldB | tash: am I right that other people also have root access to the systems? |
| 16:31.15 | tash | actually, nobody outside of ops has root access |
| 16:31.20 | tash | but still |
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| 16:31.44 | tash | and there are some servers that do different things than others, so they in some cases have different passwd files |
| 16:31.52 | tash | I don't think I want to sync 1 passwd file across them all |
| 16:32.35 | JPT | well, you could use stuff like openldap to control accounts across the machines |
| 16:32.43 | JPT | it might be worth it |
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| 16:33.27 | tash | thanks guys, you gave me some ideas |
| 16:33.32 | tash | now I shall research |
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| 16:34.33 | kupo | tash: you probably want a configuration engine, then you can set up roles |
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| 16:40.04 | Nucleus | karlpinc i know how to search i just wanted to know directly the name of a trusted application. |
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| 16:51.12 | wolfric | how can you list files in package in debian via command line? |
| 16:51.20 | wolfric | i know you can see it on the web |
| 16:51.22 | somiaj | wolfric: dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:51.34 | somiaj | wolfric: but it has to be installed, I think you need apt-file if it insn't installed |
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| 16:52.07 | wolfric | somiaj: that lists the packages not the files |
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| 16:52.39 | tremon | wolfric: have you tried it? |
| 16:52.53 | wolfric | ah sorry my bad |
| 16:52.57 | wolfric | didn't see capital L |
| 16:53.02 | tremon | :) |
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| 16:53.53 | helmut | hi. I am looking for a tool that comes as a central server where clients behind a nat connect to. I would be able to log into any client via ssh by using the client connection backwards. any suggestions? |
| 16:53.54 | tremon | works without apt-file too though (if the package is installed) |
| 16:54.39 | wolfric | somiaj: cheers |
| 16:54.46 | tremon | helmut: if I understand you correctly, the magic word is "reverse proxy" |
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| 16:55.10 | petemc | helmut: if you have an internet facing box running ssh you can set that up yourself |
| 16:55.12 | helmut | tremon: I tried to google that. unfortunately most hits are for http proxies. |
| 16:55.14 | petemc | with ssh |
| 16:55.30 | helmut | petemc: I would like the clients not have an account on the central server. |
| 16:55.43 | petemc | ok |
| 16:55.50 | tremon | proxying ssh is known as a man-in-the-middle attack, I doubt you will find many tools for that |
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| 16:56.22 | blubberdiblub | you don't need to proxy. you can tunnel a ssh connection through another ssh connection |
| 16:56.22 | tremon | if you can reach the "central" server, look up ssh port forwarding |
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| 16:56.53 | helmut | blubberdiblub: I know, but I wish to avoid having too many accounts on the server. |
| 16:57.09 | helmut | tremon: ssh port forwarding assumes an account |
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| 16:57.30 | blubberdiblub | helmut, you can have a single account for all clients |
| 16:57.50 | tremon | helmut: ssh port forwarding assumes you can log in to the server yes, but you don't need a separate account per forwarded port |
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| 16:58.48 | helmut | blubberdiblub: port assignment is non-trivial still. |
| 16:59.05 | helmut | ok. i know that I can hack this. |
| 16:59.12 | tremon | traversing NAT is non-trivial... |
| 16:59.13 | helmut | I was looking for NIH. |
| 16:59.16 | blubberdiblub | helmut, yes, that's right. it doesn't do it by itself |
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| 16:59.43 | helmut | you know, when you have a task to solve, you first look for existing solutions, right? |
| 16:59.52 | helmut | turns out, sometimes they don't exist yet. |
| 17:01.05 | nsadmin | like when someone runs sid |
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| 17:01.29 | helmut | uhm. i just discovered an odd approach to this problem: tor hidden services. no need for a central server. just works. minimal configuration overhead. |
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| 17:02.00 | petemc | tor wouldnt exactly be suitable for enterprise |
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| 17:02.27 | helmut | petemc: right. but it works with little privs on the server and little configuration. :-) |
| 17:02.39 | petemc | all good :) |
| 17:03.08 | helmut | doesn't care about enterprise. Usually debian stuff just works. |
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| 17:04.02 | corpus | hello to all |
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| 17:04.22 | forgotten | hi |
| 17:05.01 | helmut | tremon: why did you say, that traversing nat is nontrivial? |
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| 17:06.18 | nsadmin | helmut, there are probably loads of (already written) documentation available freely on the internet on that subject |
| 17:06.42 | helmut | nsadmin: none of which comes with a management or configuration utility |
| 17:06.49 | helmut | nsadmin: it's easy to set up for one node. think 100 |
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| 17:07.21 | helmut | also note that 100 nodes mean 200 ssh processes. so when hitting 1k nodes we start to hit linux' process limits (not to mention memory requirements) |
| 17:07.58 | nsadmin | and you need connectivity like that? |
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| 17:08.32 | helmut | nsadmin: think again, why I might have asked. ;-) |
| 17:08.56 | helmut | for sure I can hack this myself. |
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| 17:09.47 | tremon | helmut: nat was designed to obfuscate endpoints. traversing it (i.e. connecting to an obfuscated endpoint) is meant to be painful |
| 17:09.59 | nsadmin | I was just commenting on the nontrivial NAT thing |
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| 17:10.30 | nsadmin | not on the whole thing |
| 17:10.43 | helmut | tremon: I guess I do not want to do that. Instead I want the client to connect to the server and let me use that connection backwards. |
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| 17:11.15 | helmut | tremon: that requires the server not to be behind nat of course. |
| 17:12.42 | tremon | helmut: how many machines do you need to make reachable? |
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| 17:13.13 | helmut | tremon: in the beginning there are 10, most likely this number rises to 50 quickly. |
| 17:13.33 | nsadmin | ahh, so what you actually need is outside connectivity... for that, get static IPs |
| 17:13.36 | helmut | tremon: so some sort of management (i.e. assigning names) is required. |
| 17:13.44 | Iridos | except for those numbers this kinda sounds like a botnet |
| 17:14.01 | helmut | Iridos: heh |
| 17:14.02 | tremon | helmut: ssh_config and iptables DNAT? |
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| 17:14.14 | helmut | tremon: i don't get it. |
| 17:14.17 | Iridos | actually, I guess even botnets have to start small |
| 17:14.55 | Iridos | helmut, you don't hit any limits if only the machines you want to connect to actually connect... |
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| 17:15.16 | tremon | helmut: use ssh_config to define hostnames that all relay to your gateway, port X. Then use port forwarding to forward port X to port 22 on the real machine |
| 17:15.46 | adv_ | trying to install python-hid, there is a link to it for lenny but all links are broken. it seems it has been removed |
| 17:15.52 | adv_ | example:http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libh/libhid/libhid_0.2.15+20060325-2.2.tar.gz |
| 17:15.56 | adv_ | how can i install it? |
| 17:16.06 | Iridos | that#s because lenny isn't supported anymore |
| 17:16.07 | helmut | tremon: yeah of course. i still need to write the management part. so I will likely come up with a full solution myself. |
| 17:16.19 | Iridos | judd, versions python-hid |
| 17:16.20 | judd | Package: python-hid on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.15+20060325-2.2 |
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| 17:16.35 | Iridos | dpkg, why is python-hid not in testing |
| 17:16.36 | dpkg | python-hid is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python-hid |
| 17:17.14 | Iridos | grr, I hate that... happens a lot recently if the package ain't just freshly-removed |
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| 17:19.02 | Iridos | adv_, what version of Debian do you run |
| 17:19.03 | adv_ | Iridos, what is supported ? |
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| 17:19.09 | adv_ | Iridos, squeeze |
| 17:19.30 | adv_ | 6.0.44 |
| 17:19.35 | adv_ | 6.0.4* |
| 17:19.38 | Iridos | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=python-hid |
| 17:20.11 | Iridos | bugs #350493 and #476525 should be the reasons it was removed |
| 17:20.17 | _abc_ | hello. Is there a *working* tutorial on tunneling with tap devices as common user (not root) using ssh -w on debian. Note the emphasis. None of the tutes work as user, they work only as root. |
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| 17:20.42 | _abc_ | It is my understanding that both ends of ssh must be root to be able to set up routing properly? |
| 17:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | ! lenny sources.list |
| 17:20.45 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 17:21.18 | adv_ | Iridos, how can i install it? |
| 17:21.19 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, I don't think you can get that running in squeeze even using the source package |
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| 17:23.44 | Iridos | hm, those were fixed, though |
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| 17:25.10 | rhaven | hi there |
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| 17:25.27 | rhaven | can someone point me in the right direction/tutorial for setting up a softAP |
| 17:25.36 | DammitJim | what would be a good language to use to convert a config file (such as /etc/network/interfaces) to XML? |
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| 17:27.31 | tremon | _abc_: you need to have the cap_sys_network capability to be able to modify the kernel's routing table. |
| 17:27.44 | Iridos | adv_, it's not in debian anymore... and the project also seems dead since 2007... see the factoid jhutchins_lt had dpkg write above... I think you might want to compile that from the source package for squeeze... "/msg dpkg ssb" for that (and change the procedure to use the lenny archives links above instead of the sid links in sources.list in the factoid) |
| 17:28.16 | buu | PERL |
| 17:28.16 | buu | ALWAYS PERL |
| 17:28.58 | adv_ | Iridos, i have compiled from src successfully, i have a problem though, ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/libhid/_hid.so: undefined symbol: assert |
| 17:29.22 | adv_ | Iridos, there is a patch for that in one thread in bugs but i don't know how to apply it |
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| 17:30.49 | Iridos | there is? |
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| 17:33.02 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 17:33.28 | johnfg | What's the proper and 'best' way to regenerate grub.cfg? |
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| 17:33.53 | johnfg | Maybe regenerate and reinstall it to sda? |
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| 17:34.49 | zykotick9 | johnfg: are you using grub1 or grub2? |
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| 17:35.09 | johnfg | zykotick9: grub2 on squeeze (sorry for not stating that before). |
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| 17:35.57 | zykotick9 | johnfg: then "update-grub" should regenerat the grub.cfg |
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| 17:39.04 | adv_ | how can i convert ubuntu src to debian? |
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| 17:49.57 | valdyn | adv_: do you think debian is somehow autogenerated from ubuntu? |
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| 17:50.13 | adv_ | did i say that? |
| 17:50.26 | valdyn | adv_: we know what you said |
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| 17:52.41 | DammitJim | what would be a good language to use to convert a config file (such as /etc/network/interfaces) to XML? |
| 17:53.07 | petemc | the one which you are most comfortable using |
| 17:53.45 | buu | DammitJim: PERRRRRRRRRRRL |
| 17:53.59 | DammitJim | hhmmm... this is tricky |
| 17:54.12 | Iridos | valdyn, and know where you live? |
| 17:54.16 | DammitJim | I guess what I need to do is parse the file to pick up data by tags |
| 17:54.38 | Iridos | xslt? |
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| 17:55.21 | jelly-home | adv_: I don't even understand what you meant by <adv_> how can i convert ubuntu src to debian? |
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| 17:55.39 | Iridos | you don't? |
| 17:55.52 | jelly-home | no. |
| 17:55.52 | calrogman | Contemplating that sentence makes the wrinkles on my brain ache. |
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| 17:56.00 | adv_ | ubuntu pkg.tar.gz to debian |
| 17:56.08 | Iridos | calrogman, brains are supposed to be wrinkled... |
| 17:56.11 | adv_ | so i can get over ./configure |
| 17:56.15 | jelly-home | adv_: and .dsc and .debian.tar.gz? |
| 17:56.17 | calrogman | They're not meant to ache though. |
| 17:56.28 | adv_ | jelly-home, they don't exist in debian |
| 17:56.37 | jelly-home | adv_: or .diff.gz instead of .debian.tar.gz? |
| 17:56.39 | Iridos | adv_, you need the .dsc |
| 17:56.52 | adv_ | hm not familiar with the process |
| 17:56.54 | Iridos | dpkg source package |
| 17:56.54 | dpkg | A source package is a set of files used to make a Debian binary <package>. The main file is the Debian source control file (<dsc>) which lists the other required files; use "dget http://.../foo.dsc" (see <devscripts>) to download the dsc and all referenced files. There is also a <tarball> and (usually) patches in <diff.gz> or <debsrc3.0> format. The dsc contains checksums and is cryptographically signed by the uploader. <policy> <nmg> |
| 17:57.07 | adv_ | ok once i have the dsc then what? |
| 17:57.24 | jelly-home | adv_: what's present in that pkg.tar.gz, where are you getting it from. deb-based package sousrce usually consist of 2-3 files. |
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| 18:00.12 | jelly-home | adv_: if you have the .dsc and the .orig. tarball and the patches, you can use dpkg-source to build it |
| 18:00.49 | adv_ | ok thanks |
| 18:00.53 | jelly-home | s/it/the binary packages/ |
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| 18:12.52 | kfogel | Any idea why system tools printer config would claim my HP LaserJet P2055dn printer is "out of toner" when the printer actually has a new toner cartridge in it? The printer is connected to the laptop via a USB cable. |
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| 18:14.17 | kfogel | (Should have mentioned: above question is re a very up-to-date Debian 'testing' system.) |
| 18:14.56 | FlickerB | Have you ran a few test pages through it? (Using the printers hardware controls) |
| 18:15.01 | FlickerB | *run |
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| 18:15.38 | tremon | kfogel: for one, hp likes to pretend it doesn't understand refilled/counterfeit cartridges |
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| 18:16.40 | _abc_ | tremon: re: cap_sys_network: okay, that is a good hint. How do I achieve that? Special group membership? Something else? |
| 18:17.07 | _abc_ | cap_sys_network brings up nothing on google or duckduck |
| 18:17.08 | kfogel | FlickerB: yes, I can print test pags, thx. |
| 18:17.13 | lasers | You're out of toner. You got swindled good by those ink companies. :< http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting says this... "Run 'hp-check -r' to troubleshoot printing or scanning issues." Try that? |
| 18:17.17 | kfogel | tremon: this cartridge is purchased from HP |
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| 18:17.27 | kfogel | lasers: see above -- cartridge is an HP cartridge |
| 18:17.35 | kfogel | lasers: trying hp-check now |
| 18:17.56 | lindenle | Best code review tool? |
| 18:17.57 | tremon | _abc_: the only way I know is setting it with setcap on the executable, which tends to be frowned upon. I may have gotten the capability name wrong though, let me check |
| 18:18.14 | _abc_ | also does anyone know why I can sometimes see references to rpc and libnss in SIP packets flowing between linphone and a remote asterisk server?! |
| 18:18.26 | Mogget | Question: I have an error with utf8 and iso-99foo, how do i debug where the error is? |
| 18:18.30 | _abc_ | tremon: setcap is a utility? Never heard of it |
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| 18:18.37 | tremon | _abc_: try cap_net_admin :) |
| 18:19.25 | kfogel | lasers: ok, complex answers back from hp-check so will take a while to digest. Thank you for the suggestion. |
| 18:19.28 | sanitypassing | hi, can anyone help me with a package dependency situation? |
| 18:19.43 | kfogel | sanitypassing: what's the problem? |
| 18:19.52 | lasers | kfogel: No problem. I hope it works! |
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| 18:20.09 | peterrooney | !ask |
| 18:20.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:20.24 | tremon | ,info libcap2-bin |
| 18:20.25 | judd | Package libcap2-bin (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: basic utility programs for using capabilities. Version: 1:2.19-3; Size: 22.0k; Installed: 152k; Homepage: http://sites.google.com/site/fullycapable/ |
| 18:20.26 | sanitypassing | kfogel: I keep trying to "apt-get build-dep" VLC, but it keeps telling me there are unmet dependencies it can't resolve. I've been trying to resolve them manually, but that isn't helping either. |
| 18:20.30 | _abc_ | tremon: okay, that may be useful, but I do not see how that can be relevant to sshd and ssh? |
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| 18:20.54 | sanitypassing | here's the output from that command: https://gist.github.com/2415599 |
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| 18:21.16 | sanitypassing | and when I try to manually resolve the dependencies, I get similar errors, just with different package names. |
| 18:21.24 | _abc_ | tremon: also, any idea how the rods rpc and references to libnss can appear in a sip data stream snoped with wireshark? |
| 18:21.25 | tremon | _abc_: I have used it in the past for qemu to manage my tap interfaces |
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| 18:21.31 | burhan | is there a way to create a custom boot media from an existing debian install? The goal is to move a virtual machine to a phyiscal one. |
| 18:21.49 | _abc_ | tremon: ah, so you used the setcap stuff on the tap itself or on /dev/net/tap? |
| 18:22.04 | tremon | _abc_: on the kvm-qemu executable |
| 18:22.18 | _abc_ | I see |
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| 18:22.24 | tremon | _abc_: did I tell you my solution was frowned upon by more knowledgeable people? |
| 18:22.25 | peterrooney | ,versions libgtk2.0-dev |
| 18:22.27 | judd | Package: libgtk2.0-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; sid: 2.24.10-1; wheezy: 2.24.10-1 |
| 18:22.30 | _abc_ | tremon: okay I will check this out by weekend |
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| 18:22.42 | _abc_ | tremon: a lot of people frown just to repeat what they read somewhere. |
| 18:22.49 | noo | hello i'm installing debian testinbg right now and I got a choice of what kernel to install and now I'm wondering what the kernel with the ending pae is? |
| 18:23.04 | _abc_ | tremon: If a tool exists then there was at least one reason for it to be crated, debugged and published. I respect that. |
| 18:23.10 | _abc_ | *created |
| 18:23.15 | tremon | !pae |
| 18:23.15 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 18:23.34 | _abc_ | And yes you can shoot yourself in the foot with some tools. You should not do that :) tremon |
| 18:23.46 | tremon | :) |
| 18:24.06 | ross` | ummm yeaaaaa |
| 18:24.09 | ross` | this is weeeirrddd |
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| 18:24.10 | ross` | ross@serenity:~/ventsrv$ ./ventrilo_srv |
| 18:24.11 | ross` | bash: ./ventrilo_srv: No such file or directory |
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| 18:24.29 | noo | tremon: thanks and now I'm left with the choice between linux-image and linux-image-3.2.0-2. what version is the linux-image" |
| 18:24.33 | ross` | i did ./ventrilo_srv with tab completion, it's definitely there.. Also chmod +x ventrilo_srv worked fine |
| 18:24.55 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: in theory, should be straightforward with squeeze (or lenny-backports (and it's long past time to upgrade from lenny)) |
| 18:25.04 | _abc_ | Are Debian kernels shipped with the SysReq special key combinations enabled or disabled? |
| 18:25.23 | sanitypassing | peterrooney: ok, but then why isn't it working? :/ |
| 18:25.34 | tremon | noo: choose the non-versioned package. It will automatically follow the latest kernel available, otherwise you're stuck with 3.2 until you manually install 3.3 (assuming that's released before wheezy is frozen) |
| 18:25.36 | sanitypassing | (I'm on squeeze, by the way, on x86_64) |
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| 18:25.59 | noo | tremon: ah ok so the one without version number means, that it will update automatically? thanks :) |
| 18:26.12 | jelly-home | _abc_: it's enabled |
| 18:26.21 | _abc_ | §"$$%&!!! |
| 18:26.36 | ross` | anyone know why bash would give me that error? |
| 18:26.40 | kfogel | sanitypassing: sorry, I'm not expert enough in build-dep to help. I do sometimes try switching between apt-get and aptitude, when I run into dep problems. |
| 18:26.47 | tremon | _abc_: that's not a recognized sysrq command |
| 18:27.03 | _abc_ | tremon: it is however polyglot cussing |
| 18:27.14 | _abc_ | I forgot to disable that on a certain system. |
| 18:27.16 | _abc_ | sigh |
| 18:27.20 | kfogel | ross`: what kind of file is ventrilo_srv ? |
| 18:27.24 | kfogel | ross`: is it a shell script? |
| 18:27.33 | jelly-home | it's not valid Perl syntax either |
| 18:27.37 | _abc_ | tremon: is it shipped enabled on stock server kernels too? |
| 18:27.37 | sanitypassing | kfogel: well, I did try to use apt-get to resolve libgtk2.0dev, but like I said, it also has dependencies which for some reason refuse to install, even when I try to install them manually |
| 18:27.47 | _abc_ | You realize any bozo can interrupt the boot process with that, right? |
| 18:27.50 | _abc_ | Is that by design? |
| 18:28.08 | tremon | _abc_: any bozo with console access, and yes, that's by design |
| 18:28.14 | _abc_ | sigh |
| 18:28.18 | calrogman | Is `tail -n 1 ./netrilo_srv' == `echo "bash: $0: No such file or directory"' by any chance? :) |
| 18:28.21 | _abc_ | Does anyone but hackers use that? |
| 18:28.24 | _abc_ | And developers? |
| 18:28.47 | kfogel | classix: :-) |
| 18:28.51 | ross` | kfogel: it's ventrilo linux server application |
| 18:28.54 | kfogel | classix: sorry, mis-completion, |
| 18:28.57 | kfogel | calrogman: :-) |
| 18:29.01 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: hard to say without seeing something like aptitude -s install <troublesome package> and apt-cache policy <troublesome package> |
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| 18:29.14 | kfogel | ross`: run 'file ./ventrilo_srv' and paste output |
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| 18:29.31 | kfogel | ross`: and 'ls -l ./ventrilo_srv' actually |
| 18:29.34 | tremon | !paste |
| 18:29.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 18:29.35 | _abc_ | tremon: imnsho production grade kernels should ship with that disabled |
| 18:29.38 | tremon | obligatory... |
| 18:29.44 | kfogel | tremon: we're talking about one line of output here |
| 18:29.51 | kfogel | tremon: I did think of that before I requested the paste :-) |
| 18:30.08 | ross` | ventrilo_srv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 18:30.10 | _abc_ | tremon: ergo stock debian kernels are not production kernels?! |
| 18:30.12 | tremon | doh... |
| 18:30.13 | calrogman | Actually, if a file fits more than one magic number, file will output every result. |
| 18:30.18 | kfogel | tremon: np :-) |
| 18:30.29 | kfogel | calrogman: oh -- I've never seen it do that, but thank you. |
| 18:30.44 | kfogel | ross`: how about the ls -l ? |
| 18:30.45 | sanitypassing | peterrooney: https://gist.github.com/2415645 |
| 18:30.55 | tremon | _abc_: please try to stay on-topic |
| 18:31.01 | _abc_ | O.o |
| 18:31.01 | ross` | -rwxr-x--x 1 ross ross 468420 Nov 18 2008 ventrilo_srv |
| 18:31.05 | ross` | like i said i properly chmodded it |
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| 18:31.14 | tremon | ross`: uname -a? |
| 18:31.18 | _abc_ | okay I know what I need to know now. Sigh. |
| 18:31.19 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 18:31.20 | ross` | Linux serenity.foo.mx 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:42:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:31.27 | ross` | would that matter..? 64bit |
| 18:31.29 | ross` | lol.. |
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| 18:31.43 | tremon | ross`: did you install ia32-libs? |
| 18:31.51 | kfogel | ross`: you're missing read access for non-owners, but that shouldn't matter here I guess |
| 18:31.57 | kfogel | ross`: and you're user "ross" when trying to run it, right? |
| 18:32.06 | ross` | just did :) |
| 18:32.08 | ross` | yes, i am :p |
| 18:32.29 | ross` | hey that worked |
| 18:32.32 | ross` | thanks for the package tip |
| 18:32.33 | ross` | ;) |
| 18:32.58 | kfogel | ross`: the ia32-libs worked? |
| 18:33.12 | ross` | yes |
| 18:33.24 | calrogman | I can't say I expected that to work. |
| 18:33.26 | kfogel | ross`, tremon: fascinating that the error is "no such file or directory" on the executable itself, when really it's that the dynamic linker can't find a dependency. Sheesh :-). |
| 18:33.30 | ross` | i still don't see why bash gave THAT error tho, i'm like tab completion @/@ |
| 18:33.48 | kevlarman | kfogel: that means 32 bit ld.so doesn't exist |
| 18:33.51 | tremon | in general, if an executable fails to run, you have two friends: readelf -l and ldd |
| 18:33.56 | kfogel | ross`: I've seen that error before when it's a script and the top "#!/bin/whatever" line doesn't point to an existing binary. |
| 18:33.59 | calrogman | For future reference: `ldd' |
| 18:34.01 | calrogman | It's magic. |
| 18:34.17 | tremon | kfogel: it's not that the dynamic linker can't find a dependency, the dynamic loader didn't exist |
| 18:34.24 | ross` | well works now, so im happy :D |
| 18:34.32 | tremon | ldd wouldn't have helped here, as that needs ld-linux.so to exist |
| 18:34.39 | kfogel | tremon: ?? Oh, ia32-libs provides the loader itself? |
| 18:34.45 | tremon | yup |
| 18:34.46 | kfogel | tremon: for 32-bit binaries? |
| 18:35.04 | kfogel | tremon: Whoa. My view of the universe has just changed. Cool. THank you. |
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| 18:35.15 | kevlarman | kfogel: btw you get the exact same error because it *is* the exact same error |
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| 18:35.20 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: looks like you've got some libraries from squeeze-backports installed, and it's trying to pull in dev libraries from squeeze instead. maybe force which repository with the -t option |
| 18:35.22 | tremon | kfogel: readelf -l /bin/bash |grep interpreter :) |
| 18:35.27 | kevlarman | kfogel: the interpreter for 32 bit elf files is missing |
| 18:35.46 | peterrooney | can't remember *every* command line option |
| 18:35.47 | kfogel | tremon: fascinating |
| 18:35.53 | kfogel | kevlarman: *nod* thx |
| 18:35.57 | calrogman | Yeah, it does. It provides /lib/i386-linux-gnu/ld-linux.so.2 on my Sid box, anyway. |
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| 18:36.05 | calrogman | I had no idea... |
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| 18:36.23 | kfogel | Well, I didn't get the printer help I came here for, but I ended up learning something completely different. I love IRC :-). |
| 18:36.38 | kfogel | is not being sarcastic, btw, in case wasn't clear |
| 18:36.44 | calrogman | Interactive notepad is awesome. |
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| 18:37.29 | sanitypassing | peterrooney: Ok, which repository should I force? |
| 18:37.58 | calrogman | Awesome except when this happens, that is: http://qdb.us/307481 |
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| 18:38.38 | mah454 | How can install imap server in debian ? |
| 18:39.17 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: probably squeeze-backports, but I'd take careful note of (and save in a file somewhere) which packages get pulled in case that fails and stable works better |
| 18:39.26 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
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| 18:40.43 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: I know I've been glad of saving such files on occasion when I was doing backports on lenny |
| 18:40.59 | sanitypassing | nope, I just went through all of the broken packages, and they're still telling me they can't resolve dependencies. |
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| 18:42.23 | brlja | hi, is there a tool in linux, like there is on windows, named WinDowse, which can list created windows on the desktop and modify its properties (visibility, width, height, etc) ? |
| 18:42.56 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: I'd start removing them one by one; I wonder if there's a full tree of VLC's deps somewhere? Things like this are why I'm glad nothing has tempted me to backport onto my current squeeze install. |
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| 18:43.30 | sanitypassing | yeah, there's a list somewhere, actually. I just had it open... |
| 18:43.38 | sanitypassing | there are a lot of them though, I do know that much. |
| 18:44.28 | sanitypassing | This is it: http://wiki.videolan.org/Contrib_Status |
| 18:44.36 | calrogman | brlja: I know there's lsw in suckless-tools for listing them, but I don't know about modifying properties. |
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| 18:45.58 | sanitypassing | oh, derp, I'm an idiot. The backport repositories weren't active. |
| 18:46.02 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: it's a seriously long list. What I'd try would be uninstall vlc, and then run apt-get autoremove (and maybe apt-get --purge remove $(deborphan) ) to get rid of the deps |
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| 18:46.13 | sanitypassing | Yep, done that already. |
| 18:46.16 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: ha ha |
| 18:46.45 | sanitypassing | there we go. |
| 18:46.55 | brlja | calrogman thanks, will check it out |
| 18:47.04 | sanitypassing | sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports libgtk2.0-dev sucessfully installs all dependencies! |
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| 18:47.12 | sanitypassing | so far, at least. |
| 18:47.13 | peterrooney | wonders why my second question isn't ALWAYS "paste your sources.list" |
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| 18:47.20 | sanitypassing | crosses fingers. |
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| 18:47.49 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: I've become fond of apt-get --recon and aptitude --simulate |
| 18:47.51 | sanitypassing | aw, build-dep still doesn't work. At least there aren't as many errors though time though... |
| 18:48.04 | sanitypassing | yeah, that's probably a good idea to start doing. |
| 18:48.05 | calamari | is it possible to build a tarball with a different root directory name than the one actually on the disk? Or do I basically need to create a new tree with the name I want and copy the files in and tar that? I ask because debuild is creating great source packages, but when they are extracted, the directory doesn't match the package name, and I'd like it to |
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| 18:48.52 | lasers | Hi. What is this process? "sleep 600" -- I killed and it respawned? |
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| 18:49.09 | calamari | lasers: what was the parent process? |
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| 18:49.35 | sanitypassing | There we go. Now it's working! |
| 18:49.36 | lasers | calamari: How do I find out? USER = root |
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| 18:49.54 | sanitypassing | peterrooney: Thanks for the help. :) |
| 18:49.59 | abrotman | lasers: pstree is one way, ps is another |
| 18:50.03 | sanitypassing | I would have never figured this out on my own. D: |
| 18:50.04 | peterrooney | sanitypassing: NP. |
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| 18:50.26 | calamari | lasers: ps axjf |
| 18:50.28 | peterrooney | lasers: ps -ef f is my favourite, with a wide terminal |
| 18:50.41 | sanitypassing | now, if you'll excuse me, I have to spend the next few hours obsessing over the VLC build process... |
| 18:50.49 | lasers | calamari: ├─daemon───mpt-statusd───sleep |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | so stop messing with it |
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| 18:51.19 | lasers | calamari, peterrooney: Thank you for ps. |
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| 18:51.29 | calrogman | peterrooney: oh god it's full of stars |
| 18:52.01 | abrotman | calamari: see --transform ? |
| 18:52.03 | calamari | lasers: I guess that's something raid related.. I'm not familiar with it |
| 18:52.27 | abrotman | lasers: stop killing that .. |
| 18:52.37 | lasers | calamari: Me either. :X |
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| 18:53.00 | calamari | abrotman: might work! thanks! |
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| 18:53.16 | lasers | abrotman: Yes, I now know that. Seeing "sleep 600" is vague and does not tell me anything. |
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| 19:11.48 | zmitya | hi Gents |
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| 19:12.54 | zmitya | I would like to build a 3.2 kernel for my squeeze, could you guys pelase recommend me a doc about that ? |
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| 19:13.16 | abrotman | zmitya: they have one already for you |
| 19:13.45 | zmitya | abrotman: I would liek to add grsec patch as well, so I thought I need a vanilla kernel |
| 19:13.55 | zmitya | however I have already stolen their config |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | zmitya: they probably have a patch set for it |
| 19:14.11 | zmitya | hmm |
| 19:14.12 | abrotman | !tell zmitya about grsec |
| 19:14.17 | Strogg | Does anyone know where to find a guide on writing the new udev rule format? udev has stopped complaining that my rules will be deprecated soon and has just deprecated them. :) |
| 19:14.28 | zmitya | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:14.36 | Strogg | but I did some searches and I get a million hits to third party websites with the old rule format |
| 19:14.37 | webad_13 | this will be off topic, so I apologize for it - hopefully someone can point me in the right direction or at least suggest the answer. What does tipically "screen geometry heuristics" stands for - I can enable it or disable... thank you |
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| 19:19.54 | Iridos | heuristics ~= guessing |
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| 19:21.48 | Iridos | Strogg, http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html is what our factoid has |
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| 19:29.56 | Iridos | Strogg, don't try to fight with the whole internet |
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| 19:39.36 | Kandoo | hello, when I try to install with aptitude, the packages that need to be downloaded, all have error 404 not found on the servers, how can I update the server list to servers that work |
| 19:40.12 | jordanm | Kandoo: did you run aptitude update? |
| 19:40.15 | arietis | hi, any ideas how to fix such problem? https://gist.github.com/5af838b5c8ddf85ea22d |
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| 19:40.38 | boudiccas | Kandoo, are you using lenny? or squeeze? |
| 19:40.44 | arietis | apt-get update didn't helped |
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| 19:42.30 | jelly-home | arietis: clean the cache, "apt-get clean", download again, if it happens again try a different mirror. If a different mirror fails as well, it might be you're accessing internet thru a transparent proxy. |
| 19:42.37 | Kandoo | lenny |
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| 19:43.05 | boudiccas | Kandoo, well thats your problem, lenny is outofdate with security updates and its all been archived |
| 19:43.29 | boudiccas | Kandoo, really you need to uograde to squeeze |
| 19:43.37 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Kandoo -about lenny sources.list |
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| 19:50.20 | Kandoo | allright any friendly advice on what guide to follow to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 19:50.47 | peterrooney | Kandoo: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:51.16 | peterrooney | Kandoo: also, "/msg dpkg listkeys upgrade" should give many many more hints. |
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| 20:02.03 | arietis | jelly-home: i still have same error and i don't use any proxy 100% |
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| 20:03.22 | Strogg | can anyone tell me if I'm out to lunch on this udev syntax? |
| 20:03.28 | Strogg | SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03fd", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0013", ACTION=="add", RUN+="logger 'Yay! Udev found my USB device'" |
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| 20:06.56 | Strogg | does /etc/init.d/udev stop & start actually get udev to reload all the configs? |
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| 20:12.48 | tekzilla | Strogg: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html read under "Testing and debugging" |
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| 20:14.28 | Strogg | yeah.. I've had that page open |
| 20:14.36 | Strogg | the lack of feedback is painful |
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| 20:16.59 | arietis | solved previous problem but here is another one : https://gist.github.com/2562b484e293c3427b61 |
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| 20:20.15 | arietis | any ideas? |
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| 20:22.31 | mah454 | I use debian testing with gnome-3.2 |
| 20:22.59 | shred805 | you were able to get used to it? |
| 20:23.01 | mah454 | in nautilus i have not extract here in right click ! |
| 20:23.07 | shred805 | i cant stand gnome 3 |
| 20:23.58 | jhutchins_lt | That's why there are at least three forks of gnome2. |
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| 20:26.21 | punz | If I have i386 squeeze installed, and want to use 4GB or more of RAM, can I simply install the 'bigmem' PAE kernel and be done with it? |
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| 20:27.57 | arietis | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669044 how can i fix this bug if i can't update apt? :S |
| 20:28.13 | arietis | can't upgrade* |
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| 20:29.35 | Strogg | Ok. I'm positive udev can |
| 20:29.58 | Strogg | Ok. I'm positive udev can't be reading my rules, because I have a line that should make logger run on any usb activity.. but nothing happens. |
| 20:30.02 | jhutchins_lt | punz: Yes. |
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| 20:30.17 | Strogg | even though I have called udevadm control --reload-rules |
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| 20:30.42 | punz | jhutchins_lt: thanks, just needed a simple yes/no :) |
| 20:30.43 | debianuser12 | hi |
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| 20:31.03 | debianuser12 | i have sound with "mpg321" but not with vlc or rhythmbox. someone an idea what could be the reason? |
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| 20:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | debianuser12: Your desktop or app is not set to use the correct sound device. |
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| 20:32.11 | debianuser12 | sure? because it works with mpg321? How i can test this? |
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| 20:32.21 | jhutchins_lt | !next |
| 20:32.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 20:32.42 | jhutchins_lt | debianuser12: That's the most common problem. |
| 20:32.53 | arietis | can anyone explain me pls how can i ugrade apt if current version is bugged? |
| 20:33.11 | movl | arietis: apt is just a frontend |
| 20:33.15 | movl | to dpkg |
| 20:33.17 | arietis | this is bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669060 but i didn't found any solution |
| 20:33.18 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: Depends on the bug. Are you running sid? |
| 20:33.26 | arietis | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 20:34.02 | debianuser12 | jhutchins_lt: can you help me ? maybe there is a good tutorial i found many but nothing works |
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| 20:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: Are you seeing the error? |
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| 20:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | !tell debianuser12 about alsa checklist |
| 20:35.01 | arietis | jhutchins_lt: why? it's same as in ticket |
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| 20:35.16 | jhutchins_lt | debianuser12: Other than that it's a matter of configuring gnome, vlc, rythymbox, whatever doesn't work. |
| 20:35.37 | deimos | I'm looking for a cli tool that can unpack .gpk files, these are files from a game, on windows I was able to use unreal viewer which has a linux bin, but I haven't had much luck getting it to work… wondering if anyone else knows a tool off the top of their head? |
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| 20:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: What command are you using? |
| 20:35.52 | arietis | jhutchins_lt: i'm trying apt-get install apt :D |
| 20:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: try aptitude, or try downloading the package manually and installing with dpkg. |
| 20:37.17 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: There is also #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 20:38.33 | mmnicola1 | Easy question, buying a new video card to play amnesia the dark descent, ATI or nVidia ? |
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| 20:39.41 | shred805 | nvidia |
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| 20:41.22 | arietis | jhutchins_lt: thanks, dpkg works fine |
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| 20:42.40 | arietis | but bug is not fixed in new version :( |
| 20:42.53 | derwaffenss | how to kill a task connected to a port ? |
| 20:43.51 | derwaffenss | so i kill my opera browser right ? but somehow its still chatting up to dns servers |
| 20:44.05 | mmnicola1 | thanks |
| 20:44.08 | derwaffenss | so how do i kill those tasks ? |
| 20:44.47 | nsadmin | first find out what's preventing that, and/or how they get started |
| 20:45.06 | derwaffenss | no i dont care about that |
| 20:45.19 | derwaffenss | i just want to kill those tasks |
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| 20:46.03 | derwaffenss | nsadmin: dont help me please thanks |
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| 20:46.36 | nsadmin | I see, so you don't want to think for yourself... |
| 20:46.43 | herbyCologne | hmm derwaffenss: irritating nick |
| 20:46.58 | nsadmin | s/nick// |
| 20:46.59 | derwaffenss | herbyCologne: suck on it |
| 20:47.34 | derwaffenss | nsadmin: stick to windowz |
| 20:47.34 | nsadmin | !ops derwaffenss uncooperative abusive troll |
| 20:47.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: derwaffenss uncooperative abusive troll |
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| 20:48.08 | derwaffenss | how to kill a task connected to a port ? |
| 20:48.34 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 20:48.34 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:49.00 | derwaffenss | nsadmin: dont help me please thanks |
| 20:49.02 | nsadmin | give details and history. how have you tried so far? for each thing you tried, what was the result? |
| 20:49.11 | derwaffenss | nsadmin: dont help me please thanks |
| 20:49.22 | tekzilla | derwaffenss: bad choice of nickname anyway.. |
| 20:49.31 | derwaffenss | not at all |
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| 20:50.36 | peterS | derwaffenss: (you've been quieted for bad attitude) |
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| 20:50.40 | tekzilla | yeah extreme trolling techniques |
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| 20:51.08 | nsadmin | so you must be experiencing a feeling... |
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| 20:51.15 | expertmac2 | facepalms |
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| 20:51.42 | peterS | derwaffenss: your software keeps cycling you in and out of the channel. if you are doing it on purpose, stop now. If not, please fix your client. |
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| 20:52.31 | mrmist | derwaffenss: Knock it off |
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| 20:53.00 | tekzilla | s/+q/+b/ |
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| 20:53.18 | mrmist | some impressive chanserv lag going on |
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| 20:53.31 | movl | that's better... |
| 20:53.44 | peterS | thanks mrmist, yeah I was gonna change the +q to a +b too |
| 20:54.13 | mrmist | yeah he was a bit silly |
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| 21:09.44 | a7x | hi, i'm trying to run haskell on debian stable, but looks like it really an old version. how do i use a newer one? |
| 21:10.33 | nsadmin | see if backport exists, if not make a backport... or build it yourself |
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| 21:11.28 | a7x | ok ty |
| 21:11.41 | nsadmin | , versions haskell |
| 21:11.42 | judd | No package named 'haskell' was found in i386. |
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| 21:12.00 | a7x | try cabal-install |
| 21:12.05 | nsadmin | hmm, looks like not by that name |
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| 21:12.53 | a7x | , version ghc |
| 21:12.55 | judd | Package: ghc on i386 -- wheezy: 7.0.4-8; sid: 7.4.1-2 |
| 21:13.14 | jordanm | ,versions ghc6 |
| 21:13.15 | judd | Package: ghc6 on i386 -- lenny: 6.8.2dfsg1-1.1; squeeze: 6.12.1-13; wheezy: 7.0.4-8; sid: 7.4.1-2 |
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| 21:14.26 | bmhatfield | As best I can tell, there's no backport for ghc for squeeze, just poking around myself. |
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| 21:15.24 | a7x | mh thank you anyway bmhatfield |
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| 21:15.59 | bmhatfield | I'm no expert though, and it almost certainly can be built |
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| 21:19.57 | klync | hm, it's finally time for me to upgrade my lenny box. should i worry that the lenny mirrors are no longer online for me to do one last "upgrade" before "dist-upgrade"? |
| 21:20.16 | calrogman | Nah, it should be fine. |
| 21:20.23 | klync | I <3 debian |
| 21:20.28 | klync | thx calrogman |
| 21:20.35 | dvs | klync: You should update for the last time |
| 21:20.44 | calrogman | Of course, you should be backing everything up first anyway, just in case. |
| 21:20.59 | klync | dvs: i only noticed it's eol bc i got a 404 trying to install a perl module ... |
| 21:21.07 | klync | calrogman: i can backup; it's an ovz container :D |
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| 21:22.39 | calrogman | Has anybody else here ever used `ed', as in The Standard Text Editor? |
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| 21:23.03 | klync | calrogman: not on purpose; only when $EDITOR wasn't set :P |
| 21:23.16 | Riviera | calrogman: Why do you ask? |
| 21:23.26 | calrogman | I installed it two days ago out of morbid curiousity, and I just used it to clean up a .rtf, to remove the formatting. |
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| 21:23.35 | calrogman | It's actually really nice once you grok it a bit. |
| 21:24.10 | nsadmin | bitgrokers! |
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| 21:24.46 | calrogman | nsadmin: bitgrokers? |
| 21:24.53 | klync | calrogman: if `vi` is too bloated for what i'm doing, i switch to sed |
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| 21:26.31 | calrogman | Yeah, I've never really groked `vi', I prefer Emacs for editing text. But as I said, curiousity got the better of me... |
| 21:26.47 | Riviera | There are ed modes for Emacs. |
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| 21:27.25 | calrogman | I've read that to truly master `vi', you need to master `ed'. Maybe I'll give `vi' another chance in a few months, when I can manipulate text from `ed' like I'm running M-x butterfly. |
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| 21:28.18 | nsadmin | well if you want to use the command structure of vi |
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| 21:28.44 | nsadmin | it's really combinations of things like sed, grep, head, tail |
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| 21:29.42 | zmitya | I have a general question... after a frest deb install the squeeze runs flawlessly on my dell, however the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules file is empty.. |
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| 21:29.55 | calrogman | I never really understood the commands in `vi' or the syntax for them until after I took a look at the `ed' info pages. |
| 21:29.55 | nsadmin | but if you just want to make simple changes to text files, maybe the ed stuff is overkill? or maybe not if what you want to do is something it does well |
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| 21:30.02 | zmitya | how does the initrd knows about my megaraid_sas driver ? |
| 21:30.23 | calrogman | zmitya: udev |
| 21:30.45 | nsadmin | zmitya, because the kernel image package was installed when the raid was present |
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| 21:31.14 | nsadmin | the purpose of the initrd is mostly to mount / |
| 21:31.31 | zmitya | calrogman, nsadmin: what if I'm compiling my new 3.2 kernel ? what should I do to get the same result ? |
| 21:31.55 | nsadmin | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 21:32.11 | calrogman | Pretty much what he said. |
| 21:32.13 | zmitya | nsadmin: thats all ? will that do all the tricks ? |
| 21:32.17 | nsadmin | why do you need to compile 3.2, it's already packaged |
| 21:32.52 | zmitya | nsadmin: well, I need grsec as well |
| 21:33.12 | zmitya | that is exists only in sid but not in squeeze-backport |
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| 21:33.19 | nsadmin | zmitya, it will make a kernel image package which when later installed will notice how / is mounted and include those modules when the image install process builds the initrd |
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| 21:35.08 | zmitya | nsadmin: I'm using this site: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 21:35.28 | zmitya | so I'm compiling with: make KDEB_PKGVERSION=bla.1.0 deb-pkg |
| 21:35.33 | zmitya | is it good ? |
| 21:36.07 | nsadmin | I've never seen that |
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| 21:36.26 | nsadmin | which doesn't say almost anything :_ |
| 21:36.26 | zmitya | I meant the command "make KDEB_PKGVERSION=bla.1.0 deb-pkg" |
| 21:36.40 | nsadmin | right, never seen that |
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| 21:37.01 | zmitya | hmm, ok, it seems I want to recompile :) |
| 21:37.08 | calrogman | If you want to customise the kernel more heavily, you can copy the old config from /boot and run `make oldconfig menuconfig' in the kernel source tree before running `make-kpgk --initrd --config menuconfig kernel_image' |
| 21:38.31 | zmitya | calrogman: well, I stole my config from the squeeze-backport package and then ran make oldconfig |
| 21:39.00 | zmitya | but it seems I'l redo it with make-kpkg |
| 21:39.07 | calrogman | If you don't want to make any special customisations to fit the kernel to your hardware, that's all you need to do. |
| 21:39.19 | zmitya | great, thanks guys |
| 21:39.33 | calrogman | You might want to change the target processer from a generic x86 to your specific model and disable generic x86 support though. |
| 21:39.50 | calrogman | And change the maximum number of cores to the actual number of cores on your processor. |
| 21:39.56 | calrogman | Just to trim down the fat a little bit. |
| 21:40.05 | zmitya | yes, will do, but first I would like to try whether it boots properly |
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| 21:40.20 | calrogman | With just those customisations I see no reason why it wouldn't. |
| 21:40.31 | zmitya | can I specify the -j parameter as well ? |
| 21:41.57 | calrogman | No, if you run `make help' in the source tree it will tell you how to parrellelise the build, IIRC. |
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| 21:42.31 | calrogman | Lemme boot up a VM and check... |
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| 21:44.27 | thomaschaaf | I am currently building software I want to install on a couple different devices. Same hardware (might change slightly though) and exactly same software needs to be installed. What would be the way to go for this? Create a chef/puppet configuration? Is there something good I can read? |
| 21:46.25 | zmitya | calrogman: thanks !! however I ran out of space in /usr, need to att an other LV ;( takes some time before I can try |
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| 21:48.30 | calrogman | Ah shame that, is there nowhere else you can build it? |
| 21:49.15 | calrogman | It's generally advised that you copy the sources into the home directory of a non-privelaged user to compile it, then use `su -' or `sudo' when installing it. |
| 21:49.17 | zmitya | calrogman: yes, I just added a new LV |
| 21:49.35 | pmade | With the new NFS stuff in squeeze backports, do we no longer have an rpc.lockd? I'm having problems with a NFS client and Google says I need to run rpc.lockd. |
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| 21:54.01 | pmade | Does rpc.statd do the work for rpc.lockd now? |
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| 21:55.50 | sakrayaami | hi there, I'm stuck in one odd situation. For some reason i my disk space is full and I've got access only to the terminal. The tmp folder is empty and nothing was downloaded which could fill the disk space. Can somebody help me |
| 21:56.17 | zmitya | calrogman: it seems make-kpkg knows about -j |
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| 21:57.34 | boudiccas | sakrayaami, are you using a backup program which has eaten your available h/d space? |
| 21:57.57 | sakrayaami | not at all |
| 21:57.59 | zmitya | sakrayaami: it depends on how yout partitions are mounted .. maybe logs ? |
| 21:58.28 | zmitya | sakrayaami: du -h --max-depth=1 shows the summaries of the dirs |
| 21:58.39 | sakrayaami | let me check |
| 21:59.18 | zmitya | but takes time especially if there are lot of stuff |
| 21:59.59 | sakrayaami | yep :) |
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| 22:00.39 | sakrayaami | 13 gb is the disk space for this vm |
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| 22:11.23 | peterrooney | sakrayaami: also, a mount point can hide actual disk useage if the directory was not empty before mounting. |
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| 22:17.17 | sdschulze | Is there a simple script-compatible program to relay mail through a smart host as an unprivileged user? |
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| 22:18.42 | Boohbah | sdschulze: mailx |
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| 22:23.55 | sdschulze | Boohbah: Thanks, it was too obvious... |
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| 22:25.30 | cheese1756 | Trying Debian for the first time. Anything in particular I should know? I have experience with Ubuntu and Slackware |
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| 22:29.46 | FlickerB | cheese1756: Iceweasel is Firefox, read up on stable, testing and backports (if older software gets you down). Google and man are your friend. :) |
| 22:30.09 | cheese1756 | FlickerB: Thanks. I'll keep that all in mind. |
| 22:30.18 | counnm | hello, what is /var/lib/apt/lists/ for? what if i delete it? |
| 22:30.19 | calamari | cheese1756: don't count on PPAs tp work (dependendencies might be different) |
| 22:30.26 | calamari | *to |
| 22:30.42 | counnm | i mean, what if i delete it's content without rerunning apt-get update? |
| 22:30.46 | cheese1756 | calamari: Good to know. I'll read up on deps before using any PPA's |
| 22:30.54 | cheese1756 | *each program's deps |
| 22:31.03 | cheese1756 | Luckily Slackware gave me some experience with that |
| 22:32.40 | calamari | cheese1756: backports don't automatically count as upgrades, so that's different than ubuntu.. you have to manually select them |
| 22:33.29 | counnm | actually i get this problem https://gist.github.com/258c1efa88092b9addeb and don't actually know how to fix it; i would prefer not to run apt-get update right now |
| 22:33.50 | cheese1756 | calamari: I'm probably going to be using testing or unstable so that shouldn't be a problem, but that's good to know if I use Debian on a server |
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| 22:40.33 | sakrayaami | <zmitya> thanks it did the trick |
| 22:40.33 | sakrayaami | i'm back in the game |
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| 22:41.28 | zmitya | sakrayaami: np |
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| 23:03.22 | JohnnyonFlame | I need the rtl18168d-2.fw file to have my wifi working |
| 23:03.29 | JohnnyonFlame | anyone knows how can I get hold of such file? |
| 23:03.42 | vimpulse | JohnnyonFlame: hi. How do you know you need the file? |
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| 23:03.52 | JohnnyonFlame | because the installer tells me so? |
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| 23:04.02 | JohnnyonFlame | also, because of dmesg during a few live sessions |
| 23:04.04 | abrotman | JohnnyonFlame: do you need it to finish the install ? |
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| 23:04.11 | vimpulse | JohnnyonFlame: which installer? And what did you try so far to get the file? :) |
| 23:04.27 | JohnnyonFlame | I googled it, but got all those weird, "driver" websites |
| 23:04.30 | abrotman | judd: file rtl18168d-2.fw --release squeeze |
| 23:04.33 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | JohnnyonFlame: which version of Debian is this |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:04.54 | JohnnyonFlame | 6.04 xfce / lxde |
| 23:05.13 | abrotman | usually it would be in something like linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 23:05.19 | dvs | jubb: file rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 23:05.22 | abrotman | fail |
| 23:05.23 | dvs | ha!\ |
| 23:05.27 | dvs | judd: file rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 23:05.30 | judd | Search for rtl8168d-2.fw in squeeze/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 23:05.34 | JohnnyonFlame | yeah, but I'd like to have it so that the installer will find it. |
| 23:05.39 | JohnnyonFlame | anyway I can get it? |
| 23:05.54 | dvs | refrains fro typing lying down |
| 23:06.02 | JohnnyonFlame | any way* |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | JohnnyonFlame: after the install is done, get the firmware-realtek, put it on a USB drive, install it |
| 23:06.15 | JohnnyonFlame | hmm |
| 23:06.23 | dvs | JohnnyonFlame: There is a firmware ISO you can install from |
| 23:06.26 | vimpulse | JohnnyonFlame: what's the entire message dmesg showed you? Please tell us, BTW, whether you copied and pasted it or retyped it. |
| 23:06.32 | abrotman | !tell JohnnyonFlame about firmware installer |
| 23:06.46 | JohnnyonFlame | vimpulse: I got these yesterday |
| 23:07.14 | JohnnyonFlame | I didn't type em down |
| 23:07.15 | JohnnyonFlame | I just know it because the installer is telling me to get such file |
| 23:07.24 | vimpulse | JohnnyonFlame: actually, never mind, I don't think we need the entire message. |
| 23:07.27 | abrotman | or just ignore everything i say .. |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | problem has been solved two different ways already .. |
| 23:07.49 | JohnnyonFlame | I'll just install it |
| 23:07.53 | JohnnyonFlame | and then use a ethernet cable |
| 23:07.54 | vimpulse | abrotman: my fault. I didn't read scrollback before I requested the original message. |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | wonders why the bot didn't like --release squeeze |
| 23:08.20 | dvs | JohnnyonFlame: Using a wired connection to install is the best solution |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | oh, typo |
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| 23:10.38 | veebull | anyone here have experience with running Debian inside virtualbox? |
| 23:10.47 | vimpulse | !tell veebull about anyone |
| 23:11.14 | vimpulse | veebull: hi there. Just ask the real question please. :) |
| 23:11.27 | JohnnyonFlame | One more question |
| 23:11.33 | veebull | I'm wanting to remove the packages that come installed by default and then install new guest additions from the version I'm running now |
| 23:11.42 | JohnnyonFlame | I'm getting a "unusuable" on a 50gb partition I just got by resizing another |
| 23:11.48 | veebull | hoping it won't screw anything up ;) |
| 23:11.52 | JohnnyonFlame | so as it seems, I cant use this partition |
| 23:12.11 | vimpulse | veebull: please clarify. Try to restate your question in three sentences or more. You can press Enter between sentences if your IRC client doesn't support ultra-long lines. |
| 23:12.48 | JohnnyonFlame | veebull: Just install the linux-headers and other build-essentials and install the guest adds |
| 23:12.53 | vimpulse | veebull: try to mention the names of both the host OS and the guest OS. |
| 23:12.56 | veebull | I'm running Virtualbox 4.1.12 on Ubuntu 11.10, and have Debian 6.0.4 installed as a guest |
| 23:13.05 | JohnnyonFlame | the installer *should* replace the guest adds |
| 23:13.20 | veebull | when I go to build the guest additions on the guest, it complains that there are already guest additions installed |
| 23:13.30 | veebull | it does give the option to over write them |
| 23:13.46 | vimpulse | veebull: do you really need a newer version of the guest additions? |
| 23:14.02 | veebull | my concern is that if I over write the existing files without removing them, subsequent updates via apt might b0rk things |
| 23:14.09 | veebull | 'need' is a relative term ;) |
| 23:14.30 | vimpulse | veebull: also, are you sure that a true set of virtualbox guest additions was really already installed? |
| 23:15.04 | JohnnyonFlame | Also, after resizing a windows partiton, I'm getting "unusuable" space on a 50gb free space |
| 23:15.11 | JohnnyonFlame | how does one fix that? |
| 23:15.27 | veebull | dpkg --get-selections | virtualbox shows three packages installed: virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms, -x11, -utils |
| 23:15.29 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, veebull |
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| 23:15.44 | veebull | whoops |
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| 23:16.37 | vimpulse | veebull: sounds like you have guest additions installed. Is there anything important that you need from the newer guest additions? |
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| 23:17.22 | veebull | you mean other than proper scaling of the guest window? |
| 23:17.31 | vimpulse | JohnnyonFlame: what software says it's "unusable", and where does it tell you? Please explain in three sentences or more if possible. |
| 23:17.46 | vimpulse | veebull: what do you mean by "scaling"? |
| 23:17.50 | veebull | the version included by default in 6.x doesn't ever seem to get that right |
| 23:18.09 | tekzilla | veebull: you mean scaling in terms of the VMs screen on the host ? |
| 23:18.18 | veebull | I mean I get those annoying scroll bars on the side and bottom of the guest window, and have to scroll up or down to be able to see the whole screen |
| 23:18.21 | veebull | yes |
| 23:18.34 | tekzilla | veebull: how would that have to do anything with the guest |
| 23:18.48 | vimpulse | hi all. Sometimes laptop users remove their battery while on AC power. For example, they might do this to avoid wearing out the battery. Or to prevent the possibility of a plugged-in-battery fire while the PC is unattended. |
| 23:18.49 | vimpulse | When designing a panel battery meter, how can I make it clear to users that the battery's missing? |
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| 23:19.02 | veebull | dunno, but unless I get it all the time unless guest additions are properly installed. |
| 23:19.32 | veebull | think it has something to do with the way the display is presented to the guest video drivers? |
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| 23:19.56 | veebull | anywho, thats the primary driving factor for wanting up-to-date guest additions, for those who asked. |
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| 23:22.13 | tekzilla | veebull: if youre trying to install the updated guest additions from a .deb, you shouldnt have any problems, the existing package install will just be updated |
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| 23:22.53 | vimpulse | tekzilla: perhaps well-designed guest additions can start up the guest's Xorg with a nonstandard-size display, like 1185x860, to fit perfectly into the VirtualBox window on the host. And perhaps that's what veebull means by "scaling". |
| 23:22.57 | veebull | I'm not. I'm running the script on the Virtualbox Guest Additions iso image |
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| 23:23.32 | vimpulse | veebull: does the script just install a bunch of .deb's? |
| 23:23.55 | tekzilla | veebull: then i would remove the package first, yes |
| 23:24.09 | vimpulse | veebull: or does it dump files into random places, overwriting some system files in the process? |
| 23:24.16 | vimpulse | !virtualbox guest additions |
| 23:24.32 | vimpulse | !search virtualbox |
| 23:25.04 | veebull | vimpulse, not sure how it does it, but I think it builds them from source (have to have build-essentials and appropriate linux kernel headers installed) |
| 23:25.05 | tekzilla | in any case, removing the package first wouldnt hurt i guess |
| 23:25.57 | tekzilla | why dont you just try it already, its just a VM right :) |
| 23:27.07 | veebull | I normally *do* remove them; just finally decided to ask and see what other people who used them were doing. |
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| 23:28.14 | vimpulse | tekzilla: true. veebull: Snapshot first, then try. If it turns out not to install .deb's, you can Google; maybe someone online knows if there are .deb's of some more recent guest additions available. |
| 23:28.17 | tekzilla | yeah not a bad idea, as vimpulse said, if you knew what the install scripts were doing, you bould base your decision on that. if you dont feel like reading through them, just remove the package, make a snapshot and find out what happens.. |
| 23:29.13 | vimpulse | veebull: or: find /mnt/veebull's_guest_additions_iso -iname '*.deb' |
| 23:29.56 | vimpulse | veebull: if you get results, then the installer probably installs .deb's. If not, then maybe yes, maybe no. |
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| 23:31.02 | veebull | vimpulse, did you miss the part about requiring build-essentials and kernel headers before starting the build process? I don't think debs ever come into the picture if one isn't using the version included with the distro originally. |
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| 23:35.37 | abrotman | veebull: create a chroot on your ubuntu box to build the items for Debian ? |
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| 23:36.10 | abrotman | veebull: or take a snapshot of the Debian VM, install what you need to build, save packages, restore snapshot, install addons |
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| 23:37.22 | vimpulse | veebull: maybe it uses Dynamic Kernel Module Support. |
| 23:37.48 | vimpulse | veebull: I assume DKMS is a special case, and coexists fine with dpkg. |
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| 23:38.05 | veebull | Never mind folks, I got it handled. |
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| 23:38.08 | vimpulse | veebull: good. What was the answer? |
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| 23:39.25 | JRWR | I wanted some advice on a file system to use on across 5-10 servers that have a shared block device (iSCSI), GlusterFS and LusterFS seem to be it, but they dont say anything about shared block device support |
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| 23:40.29 | veebull | removed the existing packages same as I always have. the vbox GA build script continued griping about an apparent existing installation, even when dpkg showed nothing vbox-related installed (?!?) but I over-rode it and moved on |
| 23:40.40 | veebull | like i said, debs don't enter into it. |
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| 23:41.32 | abrotman | a chroot still would have worked, but oh well |
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| 23:41.47 | abrotman | probably a bit of overkill |
| 23:42.38 | veebull | why in the heck would I want to use a chroot in the host OS to build GA for a guest OS? I've never even *heard* of anything like that before. |
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| 23:43.16 | veebull | not saying it doesn't have a place, but it seems like Ft Knox security for a 1-car garage ;) |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | it was more about environment isolation .. but glad you solved your issue, carry on! |
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| 23:57.30 | vimpulse | JRWR: go on. What is the actual question? :) |
| 23:57.56 | nevyn | JRWR: there's also gfs |
| 23:57.56 | vimpulse | dear all: never mind the battery-not-present question, I decided copying Windows would be wisest here. See https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8734 |
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| 23:58.07 | nevyn | JRWR: what is this for? |
| 23:58.21 | nevyn | JRWR: can you solve this problem by making an nfs server? |
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| 23:58.38 | nevyn | cluster filesystems are tricky things. |
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| 23:58.57 | vimpulse | veebull: why use a VM? Also, do you know about ubuntu2debian? Ask dpkg. I believe Mr. Brotman wrote it. It's unsupported. |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | what? |