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| 00:00.37 | veebull | dpkg ubuntu2debian |
| 00:00.37 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse | You will probably *not* end up with an actual Debian install, therefore it is not supported by #debian. You can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script, or /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 00:01.32 | veebull | nice... not only not supported by #debian (and one would assume not by #ubuntu either), the link in the message is broken ;) |
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| 00:02.39 | veebull | vimpulse, debian is still more of a PITA than I care for when it comes to some hardware. Things that 'just work' in other distros don't in Debian (not that its the only one) |
| 00:03.07 | pfred1 | veebull then fix them until they work |
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| 00:04.21 | veebull | ...or I could just run something that already works as my primary distro, and tinker in Debian on the side. |
| 00:06.14 | calrogman | Things that 'just work' in other distros usually 'just work' in Sid. Has something to do with running the 3.2 kernel instead of 2.6.32. |
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| 00:07.03 | abrotman | veebull: don't use that script .. it's not useful in this situation |
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| 00:07.59 | abrotman | veebull: honestly, i'm not sure half of what vimpulse is saying makes any sense .. |
| 00:08.39 | boudiccas | just a general linuxy question, what are the keypresses to use to move between desktops please? |
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| 00:09.00 | abrotman | boudiccas: depend son the desktop |
| 00:09.00 | boudiccas | gnome |
| 00:09.25 | vimpulse | abrotman: my mistake, I see now that it's tarzeau's script, not yours. |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | definitely not mine .. i'd never recommend that |
| 00:09.38 | abrotman | boudiccas: 2/3? |
| 00:09.49 | vimpulse | tarzeau: the link http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse is broken :) |
| 00:09.55 | boudiccas | default with squeeze |
| 00:10.03 | abrotman | vimpulse: no one cares .. it was a pile of crap to begin with .. stop talking about it |
| 00:10.16 | veebull | calrogman, thats where I'm tinkering with... starting with a 6.0.4 install, then a snapshot, upgrade to wheezy, then a snapshot, then try out sid... |
| 00:10.22 | vimpulse | abrotman: well, gotta go anyway. Gnight. |
| 00:10.48 | boudiccas | ,versions gnome |
| 00:10.49 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+7; sid: 1:3.0+8 |
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| 00:11.11 | boudiccas | abrotman, 1:2.30+7 |
| 00:11.47 | boudiccas | so i guess that its gnome 2 |
| 00:12.57 | boudiccas | i thought that it was CTRL +F5 to go to desktop 5, but it doesnt work |
| 00:14.20 | Peroxyde | F1-F7 are tty0-tty6, the rest of the function keys are for xscreens |
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| 00:15.27 | boudiccas | so what are the keypresses to use to move between desktops from the keyboard please? |
| 00:16.31 | Flynsarmy | I set up 'Mail Server' with tasksel yesterday however the default from name is currently www-data@my.ip - how can i change that to no-reply@ ? |
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| 00:20.51 | Atrika | hi #debian, I need you help. I have a VPS running debian 5.0 and I think I've accidently destroyed its source list. I can almost install no software with apt-get and I get 404 errors while updating. What should I do to fix this? |
| 00:21.48 | kevlarman | Atrika: see the /topic |
| 00:26.47 | boudiccas | Atrika, upgrade to squeeze |
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| 00:28.56 | pfred1 | I have this installed libdbus-qt-1-1c2 0.62.git.20060814-2 but when I run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b it says: pkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libdbus-qt-1-dev (>= 0.60) how do I go about getting what i have to satisfy the dependency? |
| 00:29.36 | cantido | pfred1: you need the -dev package |
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| 00:30.12 | pfred1 | cantido ah k right |
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| 00:34.57 | pfred1 | cantido thanks it is working! |
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| 00:38.13 | ar9 | anyone know why switching konqueror to webkit makes it stop working? |
| 00:38.32 | boudiccas | whats the command please to ascertain what your graphics card is? i think that it starts with 'grep .....' i've looked in my terminal history but its not there |
| 00:38.48 | pfred1 | ar9 I've seen that question before today ... |
| 00:39.11 | pfred1 | boudiccas lspci |
| 00:40.20 | boudiccas | pfred1, thanks, thats got it :) |
| 00:40.30 | pfred1 | boudiccas np |
| 00:40.57 | pfred1 | there is a grep command with your X log that may or may not spit out what you have |
| 00:41.30 | pfred1 | boudiccas grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:41.49 | pfred1 | prefers lspci ... |
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| 01:09.09 | pmpbook | how do I force fallback grapgics in gnome 3? |
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| 01:09.55 | ar9 | remove gnome-shell works |
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| 01:10.53 | pmpbook | would rather not |
| 01:11.33 | gnarface | yes, gnome 3 sucks |
| 01:11.42 | gnarface | yes, we're sorry |
| 01:11.42 | gnarface | no, we can't fix it |
| 01:11.47 | gnarface | we didn't do it |
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| 01:12.05 | pmpbook | well I just want to force fallback |
| 01:12.19 | gnarface | also deleting gnome-shell would be nothing of value lost - rxvt-unicode is the only shell you need |
| 01:12.22 | pmpbook | everything I see online says there is an option in system settings under graphics |
| 01:12.24 | pmpbook | but I don't see it |
| 01:12.52 | gnarface | i wonder if that config is still stored in plain text somewhere |
| 01:13.17 | larrikin_ | I use remote X.. how much use is gnome3 to me ? |
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| 01:15.27 | gnarface | larrikin_: if you mean remote X over ssh X11-forwarding, none at all. if you use VNC or something of the sort however... well in that case i'd consider it actively harmful, but some may consider it "of use" |
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| 01:17.06 | pmpbook | hah, I was actually wanting to use vnc with this box |
| 01:17.10 | pmpbook | great |
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| 01:20.27 | gnarface | pmpbook: well the only thing it'll really do to make it worse is make it even slower, but that will be similar for any graphically-intense desktop environment |
| 01:21.05 | pmpbook | well, its more the fact that the gui appears broken on this box |
| 01:21.31 | pmpbook | so I just wanted to put it into fallback to see if that would work |
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| 02:04.00 | Achylles | Hi I've removed 'tr' command from my bash. How do I reinstall this unix command? |
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| 02:04.17 | Achylles | bash: tr: command not found |
| 02:04.56 | Bronze | Achylles: using a package manager? on which distro? |
| 02:05.10 | Achylles | debian |
| 02:05.20 | Achylles | using root |
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| 02:05.51 | Achylles | I was in /usr/bin and did rm tr |
| 02:06.01 | Bronze | heh. why? (dont answer that) |
| 02:06.08 | Achylles | :( |
| 02:06.38 | Bronze | um - you need some kind of apt operation and I'm not an apt user. |
| 02:06.51 | Bronze | (maybe by this time tomorrow.. ) |
| 02:07.13 | Achylles | because I was installing a program called 'thinkrock' > tr as well |
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| 02:08.44 | Bronze | ah, well "tr" has been a staple on *NIX systems for decades. I suggest leaving it in place so things that depend on it don't break. |
| 02:09.25 | Bronze | lessee - in theory - find the package that tr comes in, then find a command for the apt package managersa that checks for and fixes missing files in a package |
| 02:09.37 | nevyn | dpkg -S /usr/bin/tr |
| 02:09.38 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/bin/tr is installed! |
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| 02:10.03 | nevyn | dpkg -S /usr/bin/tr |
| 02:10.04 | nevyn | coreutils: /usr/bin/tr |
| 02:10.04 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/bin/tr is installed! |
| 02:10.10 | Bronze | nevyn: is that the real world answer (as opposed to my theory mumbling)? |
| 02:10.15 | nevyn | ok. so removing coreutils is in the list of really bad ideas |
| 02:10.39 | Bronze | ayup :) |
| 02:10.54 | Bronze | nevyn: whats the -S do? |
| 02:11.00 | nevyn | to fix it after rmming the file /usr/bin/tr |
| 02:11.13 | nevyn | Achylles: apt-get install --reinstall coreutils |
| 02:11.24 | jron | I notced 7 DVDs for the armel debian 6.0.4 armel port (cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/armel/bt-dvd/MD5SUMS) yet every mirror only seems to have two DVDs. What am I missing? Thanks! |
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| 02:11.33 | nevyn | Bronze: search the package database for what package contains "/usr/bin/tr" |
| 02:12.03 | nevyn | Achylles: thinkrock should not call it's executable tr |
| 02:12.11 | Bronze | nevyn: so the fix is " apt-get install --reinstall coreutils" and that takes care of Achylles issue? |
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| 02:12.21 | nevyn | that will re-install /usr/bin/tr |
| 02:12.23 | nevyn | yes |
| 02:12.56 | Bronze | yay! :) |
| 02:13.37 | Achylles | Bronze, yeah! But. This is the name of its executable :( |
| 02:13.38 | cantido | jron: not sure why that is.. all I can think of is that it actually is only two dvds (a lot of the stuff in debian isn't useful for any existing armel machine) and the other hashes are for something else.. |
| 02:13.38 | peterrooney | I think tr is even excluded from the alternatives framework. |
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| 02:14.14 | Bronze | Achylles: try it (if you haven't already) |
| 02:14.31 | cantido | jron: most of the stuff you could actually run on an armel machine will be on the first dvd |
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| 02:15.30 | jron | cantido: thanks for the info. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious after looking at the md5s. |
| 02:15.33 | Devastator | you can always create another name for thinkrock using symlink |
| 02:15.59 | cantido | jron: there aren't many armel machines you can actually install from media either ;) |
| 02:16.02 | Achylles | Bronze, Many thx. I has solved the issue :) |
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| 02:16.34 | Achylles | Devastator, I will. Thanx |
| 02:17.06 | jron | cantido: it sounded like I could pull packages from the dvd to use in the raspi distro... I could be way off on that though. |
| 02:17.26 | cantido | jron: don't bother, just use a http mirror |
| 02:17.37 | jron | cantido: this won |
| 02:18.18 | cantido | jron: if you're installing a bunch of pi you can setup an apt-cache or apt-proxy to speed it up |
| 02:19.06 | cantido | is glad they switched to debian from fedora as the official distro.. |
| 02:19.08 | jron | cantido: this won't be on the web for awhile so I was hoping to test some of the packages out without pulling from repos. |
| 02:19.37 | cantido | jron: how would you make the iso images accessible to the pi? |
| 02:20.15 | jron | hoping it will pick up my usb dvdrom but I could always extract the iso to a thumbdrive to pull packages from if it doesn't. |
| 02:20.20 | nevyn | Achylles: thinkrock should not call it's executable tr |
| 02:20.43 | cantido | wonder if usb actually works on the pi without causing a kernel panic .. heh |
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| 02:20.58 | cantido | jron: I guess that would work |
| 02:21.06 | Achylles | nevyn, Yes. But. it is the name > tr |
| 02:21.18 | jron | cantido: lots of unknowns atm. should be fun to play with though. =) |
| 02:21.30 | cantido | jron: have you actually got the board yet? |
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| 02:22.09 | cantido | jron: arm machines are insanely slow, but I wonder if the GPU in the broadcom SoC will make the pi actually usable |
| 02:22.21 | jron | cantido: no. I doubt I'm even in the first round of shipments even though it felt like I jumped on the ordering process pretty quickly. I should know in a day or two. |
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| 02:23.30 | cantido | jron: I would have ordered one if it had an LCD controller. It could have replaced my debian/armel wall clock :) |
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| 02:24.05 | cantido | hardware assisted directfb or xorg would be nice |
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| 02:25.18 | jron | cantido: I'm going to try and use one as a freeradius server and another for a home automation project that will end up turning into a disaster. :P |
| 02:25.44 | cantido | jron: GPIO etc in linux is ugh.. fun |
| 02:26.03 | cantido | it should have enough grunt for freeradius though |
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| 02:29.03 | fragrant | If i type vi i get something, but if i type vim, i don't get anything |
| 02:29.08 | fragrant | Which package is responsible for having vi in console/tty? |
| 02:29.31 | fragrant | Which package contains vi? |
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| 02:31.04 | fragrant | Anyone? |
| 02:31.07 | LDungeon | sounds like you already have vi, then... |
| 02:31.19 | fragrant | Which package contains the vi? |
| 02:31.25 | fragrant | How is vi installed on debian? |
| 02:31.34 | peterrooney | fragrant: /msg dpkg search - also, aptitude install aptfile && apt-file update && apt-file search <some file name> |
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| 02:32.12 | peterrooney | apt-file should be mentioned more often. |
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| 02:32.37 | dvs | peterrooney: It's too late to "file" now. ;-) |
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| 02:32.47 | fragrant | Which package contains the vi? |
| 02:35.00 | peterrooney | fragrant: blessed if I know, but apt-file can tell you - typically, I'd ask it something like ' apt-file search bin/vim ' |
| 02:35.37 | fragrant | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 02:36.02 | craigevil | !tell fragrant about search |
| 02:37.18 | fragrant | bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 02:39.28 | peterrooney | fragrant: which is why I said, aptitude install aptfile ; apt-file update ; apt-file search <somefilename> |
| 02:40.09 | peterrooney | apt-file knows about EVERY package, but it takes a few moments to set up for the first time. |
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| 02:40.54 | LDungeon | so... is there something provided by apt-file that isn't available via dpkg-query -S <filename>? |
| 02:41.20 | peterrooney | LDungeon: information about packages not currently installed |
| 02:41.24 | fragrant | aptitude install apt-file |
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| 02:44.41 | fragrant | I have installed vim |
| 02:44.45 | fragrant | There is no , vi now |
| 02:44.51 | fragrant | apt-file search vi |
| 02:44.54 | fragrant | no vi |
| 02:45.19 | peterrooney | fragrant: did you run apt-file update first? |
| 02:45.22 | fragrant | apt-file search bin/vi |
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| 02:45.25 | fragrant | Yes |
| 02:45.34 | fragrant | I get vim, not vi |
| 02:46.59 | peterrooney | 19:30:39 <fragrant> If i type vi i get something, but if i type vim, i don't get anything |
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| 02:47.16 | fragrant | No |
| 02:47.22 | fragrant | I have installed vim |
| 02:47.29 | fragrant | There, so vi links to vim |
| 02:49.00 | jtrucks | immortal on |
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| 02:52.10 | gnarface | no package for curl-loader? but why? |
| 02:52.14 | gnarface | cries |
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| 02:53.21 | linux2 | I've been trying to get cups to work, but for some reason it will only print blank pages. I've tried removing and re-adding the printer. I've also run apt-get purge on cups and as many cups related packages as I could and re-installed, but still just blank pages. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:55.08 | gnarface | linux2: replace toner? |
| 02:55.29 | dvs | checks if the printer is on fire |
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| 02:55.58 | linux2 | gnarface, I have checked the toner level and also printed a test page directly on the printer which does work. Toner is at 85%. |
| 02:57.02 | linux2 | after some update, although I'm not sure when as I seldom print, caused it to no longer work from this laptop or my laptop at work printing to a totally different printer. |
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| 02:59.06 | gnarface | linux2: cups has a local http-accessible web control panel on port 700 something i think |
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| 02:59.35 | gnarface | linux2: maybe 600 something. anyway, surf a browser to it and i'm sure you can re-add your printer or whatever |
| 02:59.38 | dvs | 631 |
| 02:59.44 | gnarface | linux2: ^^ |
| 03:00.00 | linux2 | gnarface, I tried that, but no luck yet. |
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| 03:00.27 | linux2 | I've removed and re-added the printer several times and also tried printing over server different network protocols as it is a networked printer |
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| 03:00.38 | linux2 | all protocols print the same blank page |
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| 03:01.48 | linux2 | I would think maybe it is my printer or something else, but this is affected two different laptops on two different networks with two different printers. Both laptops are running testing. |
| 03:02.03 | gnarface | linux2: aah, it all becomes clear now |
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| 03:02.29 | sherl0ck | i need to add the updated hplip WHEZZY package to my debian SQUEEZE installation, how would i upgrade this one package? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hplip |
| 03:03.07 | dvs | ,version hplip |
| 03:03.08 | judd | Package: hplip on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; sid: 3.12.2-1; wheezy: 3.12.2-1 |
| 03:03.33 | sherl0ck | judd: yea i need 3.12 |
| 03:03.50 | sherl0ck | whats the best way to do this? |
| 03:03.59 | linux2 | gnarface, I'm as puzzled as you are. I would think that purging the system of all the old cups files and config files would have cleared out whatever was messing it up, but nothing there either. Cups also isn't throwing any errors when it's printing. |
| 03:05.23 | gnarface | linux2: you mentioned a recent update? |
| 03:05.39 | gnarface | linux2: maybe its time to check the bug tracker for the version of cups you installed |
| 03:06.04 | linux2 | gnarface, it might be helpful to note that printing a test page from cups yields this error "PDF file is damaged - attempting to reconstruct xref table..." |
| 03:06.29 | dvs | !tell sherl0ck about ssb |
| 03:06.41 | gnarface | linux2: it may be, but not to me |
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| 03:45.40 | JohnnyonFlame | I've hit no during the installation when it asked to add the repos and download updates, now I need these repos restored |
| 03:46.01 | JohnnyonFlame | Can anybody lend me a hand? |
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| 03:47.48 | nevyn | JohnnyonFlame: apt-setup |
| 03:48.09 | JohnnyonFlame | thanks nevyn |
| 03:48.34 | JohnnyonFlame | nevyn: Running as root: bash: apt-setup: command not found |
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| 03:49.37 | nevyn | JohnnyonFlame: my bad apt-config |
| 03:51.56 | JohnnyonFlame | nevyn: I don't get how am I supossed to use this tool |
| 03:52.08 | JohnnyonFlame | It returns some inconclusive output once ran |
| 03:53.26 | nevyn | hrm.. you're right it's not the tool I was thinking of. |
| 03:53.27 | nevyn | ummm |
| 03:53.51 | Devastator | there's a tool but i can't remember its name, i think it's apt-netselect |
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| 03:54.13 | JohnnyonFlame | Devastator: Not found. |
| 03:54.22 | Devastator | it first scans for the fastest mirror then generates a sources.list |
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| 03:55.07 | Devastator | netselect-apt |
| 03:55.20 | JohnnyonFlame | not found either |
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| 03:56.10 | JohnnyonFlame | I'll just recycle sources.list from another rig |
| 03:56.11 | Devastator | apt-setup-udeb? |
| 03:56.12 | JohnnyonFlame | thanks anyways |
| 03:56.22 | Devastator | p[ss |
| 03:56.24 | Devastator | opss |
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| 03:57.07 | JohnnyonFlame | I have to get this done because these open-source radeon drivers are burning my lap. :P |
| 03:57.18 | JohnnyonFlame | this done fast* |
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| 03:58.20 | Rusty1 | apt-spy |
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| 04:00.59 | simonlnu | install it |
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| 04:27.15 | boudiccas | hmm, apt-spy is quite powerful, but i'm not sure how it relates to apt-get say? |
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| 04:29.59 | kopilo | apt-spy that sounds new |
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| 04:30.30 | ryao | Is the Debian kernel 3.0.0-16 compiled with CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y? |
| 04:30.48 | nevyn | probably not. |
| 04:31.04 | nevyn | ryao: check /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 04:31.17 | ryao | nevyn: I am afraid that I am not running Debian to be able to check. |
| 04:31.48 | ryao | nevyn: I am trying to handle an upstream bug report where a user claims to be using that kernel. I think his issue might involve kernel preemption, but I need to know how his kernel was compiled. |
| 04:31.59 | kopilo | btw I'm generally not a major fan of gui applicaitons, but just used gadmin-samba and was rather pleasently surprised. Sure everything it does could be done maunally, but it just takes the headache out of it imho |
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| 04:33.08 | excalibr | hello. how do i purge all packages with status deinstall? |
| 04:33.27 | michals | lo all, if one upgrades a rootfilesystem from reiserfs to ext4 by rsyncing all files out via rescue-system, then mkfs.ext4 on the root-partition, and rsyncing all back, doing some chroot into the newly copied filesystem with sys & dev redirected, and doing some update-initramfs -u and also a "lilo", for the mbr: what else could be broken, that the system doesnt boot? (/etc/fstab is changed from ... / reiserfs defaults 0 0 to .../ ex |
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| 04:34.19 | michals | me is kinda stuck on a production system :D |
| 04:34.26 | gnarface | michals: is this squeeze? |
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| 04:34.30 | michals | lenny |
| 04:34.38 | michals | wanted to migrate before upgrading |
| 04:34.40 | koobs_ | Hi, can i create an alias OF an interface? |
| 04:35.03 | gnarface | michals: ah... probably a mistake there, because your version of grub is probably too old for ext4 |
| 04:35.05 | michals | it should be most current lenny, though...i did full dist-upgrade etc. |
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| 04:35.18 | kopilo | you can create a pseudo interface |
| 04:35.20 | koobs_ | Ideally id like to create a named carp0 interface that used or referenced eth0 |
| 04:35.27 | michals | its lilo there, but i have no clue what version, and how to change it to grub lol |
| 04:35.46 | gnarface | michals: ah. hmm. i haven't messed with lilo in a while but no doubt its an old version of that too |
| 04:36.47 | michals | trying to find out which lilo it is: seems to be a good idea :) |
| 04:37.22 | koobs_ | pseudo ? |
| 04:37.59 | koobs_ | i just want to do something like iface carp0 inet static ucarp-interface eth0 to pass the right args over to ucarp |
| 04:38.05 | michals | LILO version 22.8 |
| 04:38.10 | koobs_ | but ifup cant 'see' a real 'carp0 |
| 04:38.30 | michals | anybody knows it that LILO version 22.8 supports ext4? And how to "blindly" change to some grub via chroot? *g* |
| 04:38.33 | koobs_ | so it cries |
| 04:38.35 | michals | if* |
| 04:39.14 | michals | never liked lilo, but always accepts it |
| 04:40.02 | michals | oh and it is initrd.img-2.6.26 |
| 04:40.17 | michals | dont tell me this is too early version for ext4 :x |
| 04:40.28 | gnarface | michals: i think with tune2fs you can change an ext3 filesystem to ext4, (one way only, can't convert them back, as with ext2->ext3) maybe you should consider changing to ext3, then doing the upgrade to squeeze, then doing the update to ext4 *after* that? |
| 04:40.30 | kopilo | koobs you could try renaming the interface with udev, won't give you an alias though |
| 04:40.44 | gnarface | michals: i'd be shocked if it wasn't man... lenny is OOOLD |
| 04:40.49 | koobs_ | yeh, thats getting a lil rediculous, i dont like to fiddle with that kind of inderaction :) |
| 04:40.56 | koobs_ | i appreciate the help though |
| 04:41.18 | koobs_ | i was just thinking, kinda of like how when you install the right 'things' you get names to use like bri0 bond0 and vlan0 |
| 04:41.19 | michals | hmmm |
| 04:41.25 | koobs_ | cant i do the same thing ? |
| 04:41.29 | kopilo | I wonder if you could do something like.. KERNEL==?eth*?, SYSFS{address}==?00:12:34:fe:dc:ba?, NAME=?eth0? :: KERNEL==?eth*?, SYSFS{address}==?00:12:34:fe:dc:ba?, NAME=?carp0? |
| 04:41.59 | michals | i think its a try worth..i will just mkfs.ext3 over the crap, and will rsync the files back again after reformat :) |
| 04:42.02 | koobs_ | kopilo: id REALLY like to stick to standard interfaces/ifup conventions and what they provide, and im struggling getting the granularity and terness i need already |
| 04:42.10 | kopilo | xD |
| 04:42.17 | gnarface | michals: good luck |
| 04:42.18 | koobs_ | kopilo: im use to just ifconfig carp0 create on freebsd |
| 04:42.23 | koobs_ | and like 'its done' |
| 04:42.37 | koobs_ | not trolling :) |
| 04:42.38 | kopilo | nods |
| 04:42.58 | koobs_ | do you know how bridge/vlan and tunnel stuff 'create's naming conventions like bri0 vlan0 and tun0 in interfaces? |
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| 04:43.18 | koobs_ | how do they 'become' usable as real interface names in interfaces? |
| 04:43.22 | kopilo | I have no idea sorry |
| 04:43.25 | koobs_ | mmm k |
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| 04:43.54 | gnarface | koobs_: you mean the names themselves? linux its [device type abbreviation][id] instead of [driver abbreviation][id] |
| 04:44.02 | koobs_ | hmm |
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| 04:44.14 | koobs_ | so could i create a stub carp device or something that did NOTHING |
| 04:44.16 | koobs_ | ? |
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| 04:44.30 | koobs_ | that way id be able to use carp0 as an iface 'name' without ifup having a cry |
| 04:44.46 | koobs_ | the ucarp binary im working with is the only thing that needs to be invokved on if-up anyway |
| 04:44.48 | gnarface | koobs_: you could create a dummy0 device that does nothing and just sits there looking like a network device connected nowhere that has no hardware |
| 04:44.52 | koobs_ | it doesnt need to do any real driver stuff |
| 04:44.55 | koobs_ | hmmm |
| 04:45.00 | koobs_ | can i create a carp one ? |
| 04:45.32 | gnarface | koobs_: i know what carp is but i'm not familiar with it. on a tangential note you may be interested to know that the BSD kernel is available for debian ... |
| 04:45.40 | koobs_ | where do these dev definatiions like bond/tun/bri/vlan live ? |
| 04:45.47 | koobs_ | lol, i know :) |
| 04:45.55 | koobs_ | but if youve gone the freebsd kernel, you might as well go the userland |
| 04:46.06 | koobs_ | since its not that different to begin with :) |
| 04:46.10 | kopilo | I'm not familar with carp but I am familiar with crap (sorry had to be done) |
| 04:46.12 | gnarface | koobs_: i assume they're hardcoded into the network layer of the kernel, above the drivers themselves. but i'm not a kernel programmer either |
| 04:46.13 | koobs_ | and really, i want ports :) |
| 04:46.42 | koobs_ | gnarface: i know when you apt-get vlan - you get the use of vlanX syntax in interfaces |
| 04:46.53 | koobs_ | so it must be 'plugged in' somewhere |
| 04:46.57 | gnarface | koobs_: you can alias all day long, for whatever its worth... you can have eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1, eth0:fdjsakffdsafdas ... whatever floats your boat really |
| 04:47.10 | koobs_ | might look at what files it provides (vlan that is) |
| 04:47.17 | koobs_ | yeh, problem is, i dont want eth0 in the name |
| 04:47.19 | kopilo | isn't that pseudo names though? |
| 04:47.25 | koobs_ | probably |
| 04:47.26 | kopilo | eth0:carp |
| 04:47.27 | michals | do you guys consider it sane if one does copy a whole rootfilesystem via rescue system out with rsync -varlHpEogtSW and after reformat copy it back again to new partition, editing fstab, and update-initramfs -u, or is there some official migration guide for changing rootfilesystems? |
| 04:47.34 | koobs_ | theres always more than one way to do or call things in linux :) |
| 04:47.55 | koobs_ | kopilo: problem is, im talking about 100 carp addresses, and manually failing them over to live migrate traffic |
| 04:47.57 | michals | i think its easier to just restore reiserfs-backup with latest lenny, and repeat above after squeeze got installed |
| 04:48.12 | koobs_ | kopilo: an accidental space in ifup eth0 :carp1, is a massive fail. |
| 04:48.19 | koobs_ | ifdown eth0 :carp1 rather |
| 04:48.26 | koobs_ | bye bye all 'aliases' |
| 04:48.33 | koobs_ | and the primary interface as well |
| 04:48.38 | gnarface | michals: did you re-run lilo after the change? |
| 04:48.44 | michals | yes |
| 04:48.51 | gnarface | michals: you're not using UUID's in your fstab are you? |
| 04:49.00 | koobs_ | how do i list what files a package provides ? |
| 04:49.09 | michals | inside chroot-prepare |
| 04:49.11 | gnarface | koobs_: dpkg -L [package name] |
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| 04:49.14 | koobs_ | gracias |
| 04:49.28 | koobs_ | oh, i have to install it first |
| 04:49.32 | gnarface | koobs_: case sensetive (-l lists packages, not contents) |
| 04:49.36 | koobs_ | for non installed packages (was looking at aptitudes man page) |
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| 04:49.41 | kopilo | mirror a system using purely rsync is a little insane |
| 04:49.42 | michals | im not using uuids yet, i had some debian system upgraded and it went all right by not changing it manually |
| 04:49.43 | gnarface | koobs_: oh, apt-file searches stuff non-installed |
| 04:49.58 | koobs_ | apt-file ? |
| 04:50.04 | koobs_ | thats new |
| 04:50.05 | gnarface | koobs_: yes, its not installed by default |
| 04:50.14 | koobs_ | meh, i know theres an arg for apt-get or aptitude, brb |
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| 04:51.10 | koobs_ | gah, or not |
| 04:51.29 | kopilo | nyan_cat has quit :/ |
| 04:51.34 | koobs_ | does apt-file use local info , or does it inspect deb-src;s ? |
| 04:51.51 | michals | lol all i am able to find is http://www.kosik.org/blog/2011/05/how-to-root-filesystem-migration-from-reiserfs-to-ext4-made-easy/ :-( |
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| 04:53.00 | koobs_ | nice |
| 04:53.18 | koobs_ | apt-get --download-only install vlan && dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/vlan_1.9-3_amd64.deb |
| 04:53.19 | gnarface | koobs_: uh, i think it functions like apt-get, where you run apt-file update to get a local cache from your deb-src lines |
| 04:53.19 | koobs_ | ;) |
| 04:53.23 | koobs_ | so alem. |
| 04:53.26 | koobs_ | its all good :) |
| 04:53.27 | gnarface | koobs_: eh, or you could do that |
| 04:53.44 | koobs_ | or apt-file, but im a minimal-package-list nazi |
| 04:53.48 | koobs_ | which is why i also love ports :) |
| 04:54.04 | koobs_ | interesting though |
| 04:54.06 | kopilo | osx ports? |
| 04:54.20 | koobs_ | it provides pre-up and post-down scripts |
| 04:54.24 | koobs_ | kopilo: freebsd |
| 04:54.26 | kopilo | ahh |
| 04:54.48 | koobs_ | doesnt look like it hooks into /dev or anything |
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| 04:55.13 | koobs_ | http://pastebin.ca/2137773 |
| 04:55.34 | koobs_ | in order to use the vlanX syntax in interfaces that is |
| 04:55.50 | DBordello | Any reason enabling IOMMU in the bios would prevent the machine from booting? It loads the ramdisk and freezes (display go dark and network never boots). Disabling IOMMU works fine. |
| 04:56.21 | gnarface | DBordello: isn't IOMMU some sort of flash card reader? |
| 04:56.32 | DBordello | gnarface, no, it is related to virtualization |
| 04:57.43 | kevlarman | DBordello: don't run a 3.1 or 3.2 |
| 04:57.46 | kevlarman | iirc |
| 04:57.56 | DBordello | kevlarman, 2.6.32 |
| 04:58.14 | gnarface | DBordello: according to my brief googling it could be related to AGP or PCI-e DMA |
| 04:58.35 | gnarface | DBordello: out of curiosity, do you have more than one video card in this machine? perhaps even one on-board on the motherboard? |
| 04:58.48 | kevlarman | ,versions linux-image |
| 04:58.48 | DBordello | gnarface, indeed I do, 6 actually |
| 04:58.49 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 04:58.54 | kevlarman | ,versions linux |
| 04:58.56 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in i386. |
| 04:59.03 | kopilo | x.x |
| 04:59.04 | koobs_ | ah crap. |
| 04:59.25 | koobs_ | ucarp has no if-down script |
| 04:59.37 | kevlarman | DBordello: i'm guessing open source drivers? |
| 04:59.44 | DBordello | Actually, I am guessing I am missing a iommu flag to the kernel |
| 04:59.45 | gnarface | DBordello: the first thing i would try then, about 10 seconds after the point where it looks like it went black screen and froze up, would be to plug a nice large frequency range CRT into each card in turn |
| 05:00.04 | DBordello | gnarface, I wish I had one of those :) |
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| 05:00.16 | kevlarman | DBordello: it should boot with iommu, but X won't start with iommu |
| 05:00.22 | kevlarman | (at least with ums) |
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| 05:00.40 | gnarface | DBordello: my hypothesis here of course being that maybe it doesn't die at all, maybe one of the other video cards or ports takes over. pure speculation though |
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| 05:00.53 | kevlarman | gnarface: your speculation is horribly wrong |
| 05:01.02 | gnarface | kevlarman: nice to see you too |
| 05:01.10 | kevlarman | this sounds like a known bug with iommu in recent kernels |
| 05:01.22 | gnarface | but he said he was using 2.6.32... |
| 05:01.25 | kevlarman | DBordello: what happens if you append nomodeset to your kernel's command line |
| 05:01.29 | JohnnyonFlame | hey there, I've got most of my laptop's touchpad working under debian squeeze XFCE |
| 05:01.33 | JohnnyonFlame | but my right click doesnt work |
| 05:01.48 | JohnnyonFlame | neither by a double-finger tap, neither by hitting the actual key |
| 05:01.58 | kevlarman | gnarface: i don't know what the last working version is |
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| 05:02.07 | DBordello | kevlarman, let me give that a shot |
| 05:02.07 | kevlarman | it very well could be that far back |
| 05:02.08 | JohnnyonFlame | MultiTouch doesn't seem to work either |
| 05:02.20 | JohnnyonFlame | It's a Synaptics touchpad btw |
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| 05:07.41 | bmhatfield | JohnnyonFlame: Have you take a look at man 5 synaptics? http://linux.die.net/man/5/synaptics |
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| 05:07.56 | bmhatfield | I'm not sure if it will help, but it mentions some config options that might be relevant to you. |
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| 05:08.30 | rednovae | i'm trying to set up a chroot for php5 and debian, and right now i'm stuck on an error that says Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. You need to recompile PHP. |
| 05:09.27 | bmhatfield | JohnnyonFlame: There's also some Gentoo information and examples for the parameters mentioned in the above link, it might be useful as you try to solve the problem: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Synaptics_Touchpad |
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| 05:10.54 | JohnnyonFlame | bmhatfield, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 05:11.16 | bmhatfield | np |
| 05:11.23 | JohnnyonFlame | debian's proving to be quite a challenge, had to compile loads of modules to get this notebook up and "running" |
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| 05:13.28 | JohnnyonFlame | (II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left |
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| 05:14.01 | JohnnyonFlame | Uhhhh... why would it find it as only one "left" button |
| 05:14.04 | DBordello | well, nomodeset and iommu=calgary and iommu=force didn't help |
| 05:14.17 | JohnnyonFlame | when I actually have left, right and multitouch |
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| 05:16.20 | bobweaver | Hello there I am trying to do something that I have never done before and would like to hear some better ways of doing it. 1) I need to understan how I can addgroups and addusers that are in the debian policy about ID and also how to not hardcode the group ID's. My question is if I take out the hardcode userid how does adduser know what group to go in. Here is a paste of what I am talking about http://paste.debian.net/163769/ |
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| 05:20.44 | Timmy | how can i find information about processor of a computer? i mean its model and architecture |
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| 05:20.59 | DBordello | Timmy, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:21.03 | BeastNZ | ^ |
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| 05:21.12 | prsn | I am on squeeze. I need to build some software that requires gcc >4.6. What can I do? |
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| 05:23.46 | Timmy | DBordello: thankyou |
| 05:23.47 | kevlarman | prsn: /msg judd checkbackport gcc-4.6 |
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| 05:24.00 | kevlarman | err check-backport |
| 05:24.23 | prsn | I can't entirely parse that output |
| 05:24.31 | prsn | it mentions unsatisfiable dependencies |
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| 05:25.01 | kevlarman | prsn: that more or less means you're screwed |
| 05:25.22 | prsn | can I choose less? :P |
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| 05:25.30 | johnnyonflame | My touchpad still only detects a single button |
| 05:25.30 | wodemaye | can anyone tell me why this doesn't work? |
| 05:25.31 | johnnyonflame | :( |
| 05:25.40 | johnnyonflame | I cant rightclick or anything |
| 05:26.10 | wodemaye | nvm |
| 05:26.22 | prsn | kevlarman: how hard is switching to wheezy? Are there any other approaches I should try first? |
| 05:26.55 | prsn | also, seriously? how can it be impossible to get the latest gcc on debian stable? |
| 05:28.28 | bobweaver | can you not compile it your self and or make .deb for it are you sure that it is not in the backports ? |
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| 05:30.17 | DBordello | What is the "proper" way to upgrade my kernel? Add squeeze-backports? |
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| 05:31.33 | prsn | bobweaver: I probably can compile it myself! I just asked how to get it, kevlarman said to msg judd check-backport, and then said I was screwed |
| 05:31.53 | prsn | is compiling it myself likely to be straightforward? |
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| 05:47.58 | intore_ | hi, i have a question about samba-ldap. workgroup declaration in smb.conf must the same of domain name declared in smbldap.conf? |
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| 05:56.37 | intore_ | hi, i have a question about samba-ldap. workgroup declaration in smb.conf must the same of domain name declared in smbldap.conf? |
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| 06:08.34 | thomaschaaf | I am currently building software I want to install on a bunch of different devices with the same source and settings. They have the same hardware (might be slightly different over time though) and exactly same software needs to be installed. What would be the way to go for this? Create a chef/puppet configuration? Is there something good I can read? |
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| 06:09.46 | koobs_ | plenty |
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| 06:24.24 | naiv | , |
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| 06:24.57 | naiv | I forgot this channel bot name |
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| 06:30.05 | gnarface | naiv: there are more than one. the info bot is dpkg, the dpkg bot is judd (don't ask me why) |
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| 06:44.38 | ChrisH | On my Dell D800 (in Docking station and Dual Head config) with Debian stable 6.0.4 I used "suspend to disk" for the first time and the shutdown looked horrible. External monitor showes out of range, the internal psychodelic patterns. I switched off after a while using the power button. Suprisingly this morning it came up from suspended mode. Q: Where to start troubleshooting that? |
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| 06:49.22 | cantido | ChrisH: you mean fixing the junk on the screen? |
| 06:49.39 | ChrisH | cantido: mainly that + auto-poweroff |
| 06:50.13 | cantido | The patterns I think you'll have to live with. Suspend to disk should shut the machine off though |
| 06:50.42 | ChrisH | That would be fine, too. |
| 06:50.58 | ChrisH | On normal poweroff it does switch off. |
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| 06:52.49 | ChrisH | It might be relevant, that I am using NFS $HOME NIS and Automounter, as I just saw some complaints from my server's arpwatch during startup of the Laptop. |
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| 06:55.15 | milligan | A mate has an old debian lenny server. Am I OK replacing lenny with squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list, then doing a dist-upgrade or is that asking for trouble ? |
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| 06:55.41 | civillian | milligan: check the topic |
| 06:55.44 | ChrisH | milligan: ask the bot about upgrading from lenny, |
| 06:56.05 | cantido | milligan: see the topic, it's mostly a case of upgrading your kernel and udev before doing everything else |
| 06:56.46 | cantido | ChrisH: mmm maybe it's waiting on home to umount before it cuts the power. I'm not sure how you go about debugging it |
| 06:56.51 | Mmike | What is the rationale of mysql logging to syslog, in debian? |
| 06:57.50 | ChrisH | Mmike: Why not? |
| 06:59.16 | Mmike | because it's filling syslog and daemon log with sql-related stuff that should go to /var/log/mysql |
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| 06:59.34 | Mmike | (not to mention that binlogs/relaylogs should realy be in /var/lib/mysql or somewhere, not in /var/log/mysql) |
| 07:00.07 | Mmike | And I do have mysql.err in /var/run/mysql, how wrong is that? |
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| 07:02.12 | ChrisH | Mmike: my /etc/mysql/my.cnf has some comments on logging: Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :) and a few lines above the log to file has this comment: Be aware that this log type is a performance killer. |
| 07:02.42 | Mmike | Yes, mine to :) That's why I'm asking here - not sure how that is improvement. |
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| 07:04.06 | Mmike | syslog can also trash my disks, in the same manner mysql would |
| 07:04.21 | Mmike | and I just can't split mysql stuff to separate partition now without fiddling with syslog configuration] |
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| 07:04.37 | ChrisH | Fireing logs to syslog (via pipe, UDP) is asyncronous and can be done to a central syslog server. At least that option is used in prodction environemnts |
| 07:04.53 | Mmike | and, it seems non-standard. Apache is not logging to syslog, postgres is not loggign to syslog (at least not default installs) |
| 07:05.00 | Mmike | So why mysql is? |
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| 07:06.36 | ChrisH | I do not know. But I know the problems if programs log to their own logfiles and do not care about house keeping. On Debian/Linux this is pretty simple. On UNIX[TM] Systems it can be a nightmare. |
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| 07:08.16 | Mmike | ChrisH, I run several postgres and mysql installations, and I'm having hard time with mysqlelles, because of default setting to log to syslog :/ |
| 07:08.44 | Mmike | at least the way it is set up on debian - i get daemon.log and syslog files grow very huge |
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| 07:11.26 | judgen | hi |
| 07:11.53 | judgen | Debians as guest on virtualbox has an framebuffer driver right? |
| 07:12.04 | judgen | or should i use some other VT sollution |
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| 07:14.31 | cantido | judgen: I don't think there is a driver.. the vesa one should work |
| 07:14.44 | cantido | judgen: there is an accelerated driver for xorg I think |
| 07:14.52 | judgen | i will not be using xorg |
| 07:15.07 | judgen | it is just an test enviroment for cli video plugins |
| 07:15.30 | cantido | cli meaning directfb or something? |
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| 07:16.03 | judgen | command line interface video player plugins |
| 07:16.10 | judgen | i will not have X on the system |
| 07:16.34 | nevyn | judgen: why? |
| 07:16.55 | cantido | well, if you boot up debian in virtalbox you will get the vesa fb I think.. which can handle different video modes from what I remember |
| 07:17.10 | cantido | it just isn't fast, but that doesn't matter for text |
| 07:17.16 | judgen | it is a testing scenario, why would you say "why" to that? |
| 07:17.35 | judgen | vesa is probably not going to do it for me then. |
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| 07:17.49 | cantido | judgen: are you outputting video to the framebuffer? |
| 07:17.56 | tarzeau | vimpulse, indeed... |
| 07:17.59 | judgen | i do not need 3d or anything like that, but accelerated video would be nice |
| 07:18.19 | cantido | judgen: most of the framebuffer drivers are very simple |
| 07:18.48 | cantido | and support layers like directfb only support acceleration on some really old crappy GPUs |
| 07:18.49 | tarzeau | dpkg forget ubuntu2debia |
| 07:18.49 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'ubuntu2debia' to forget, tarzeau |
| 07:18.52 | tarzeau | dpkg forget ubuntu2debian |
| 07:18.53 | dpkg | i forgot ubuntu2debian, tarzeau |
| 07:18.58 | tarzeau | dpkg ubuntu2debian is http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/ |
| 07:18.59 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 07:18.59 | judgen | cantido: yeah, i mean cvlc and mplayer among others play video beautifully on my nvidia system. |
| 07:19.15 | cantido | judgen: what do they use to talk to the framebuffer? |
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| 07:20.13 | judgen | no idea, on this computer though there is no free ATI driver that supports my card, and fglrx does not have the capabillity to use directfb |
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| 07:21.09 | cantido | directfb can work on any framebuffer (I use it on an atmel lcd controller).. it just isn't accelerated on anything but some old maxtor cards and maybe some old ATI cards |
| 07:21.09 | judgen | i am writing a new windowing plugin for mplayer for twin |
| 07:21.41 | cantido | Using SDL is nice because your stuff will run on directfb and on top of x11 |
| 07:21.43 | cantido | :) |
| 07:22.28 | judgen | cantido: yes it is, not the point.. why would you need a windowing plugin for mplayer when you have X to handle windows? |
| 07:22.51 | cantido | judgen: why do you need windows? |
| 07:23.01 | judgen | cantido: i do not |
| 07:23.01 | cantido | directfb has a window manager AFAIK |
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| 07:23.15 | judgen | cantido: url? |
| 07:23.41 | cantido | http://directfb.org/index.php?path=Platform%2FSaWMan |
| 07:23.43 | judgen | cantido: it is just a fun project i am working on |
| 07:25.07 | cantido | judgen: I don't totally get what you want to do.. but anything that works on the fb should work, it just won't be amazingly fast |
| 07:25.09 | judgen | cantido: in Sawman, could i have four terminals like that or is it just those samples that work? |
| 07:25.42 | cantido | judgen: I've never needed to use it |
| 07:25.46 | judgen | cantido: it does not need to be very fast, just enough to put out 24fps of video i guess. |
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| 07:28.06 | cantido | I guess you'll just need to try it.. there doesn't seem to be a specific virtualbox driver anyhow |
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| 07:29.43 | judgen | ok no problem, thanks for your help |
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| 07:30.21 | judgen | it is rather sad that there is no free ati driver for my system though, then i could have been running it native |
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| 07:30.52 | cantido | the vesa driver on the hardware will be faster than in virtualbox |
| 07:31.28 | chalcedony | W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 07:31.51 | chalcedony | i did one of the fixes on http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1308 |
| 07:32.00 | chalcedony | # apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 07:32.25 | chalcedony | but i still got the error when i repeated the apt-get update command |
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| 07:33.40 | ChrisH | chalcedony: Its german but the commands are clear: http://www.hyperblog.de/hoergen.php/2009/03/15/mit_apt_key_einen_gpg_schlussel_hinzufug |
| 07:33.51 | chalcedony | ChrisH, thank you :) |
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| 07:35.05 | chalcedony | W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 07:35.08 | chalcedony | still doing it |
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| 07:36.37 | chalcedony | ChrisH, i did the command, i can't read the german |
| 07:37.43 | chalcedony | i'm having one of those nights where you start to do 'thing a', but you need 'thing b' to do thing a... and to do 'thing b' i need c d e f g h i .. etc |
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| 07:40.14 | ChrisH | chalcedony: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1139127/debian-apt-get-update-error-public-key-is-not-available-no-pubkey-id a more debian version in english |
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| 09:05.18 | intore | hi, i can't authenticate with ldap user credential from my client, ldap server is on debian squeeze. using getent passwd i can see all the ldap users but i can't login with. coul you help me please? |
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| 09:15.37 | sephii | Guest4631: Django, but that's not the right channel for this kind of questions |
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| 09:17.34 | judgen | The installer CD could not run on my system properly, guessing too old kernel. |
| 09:17.46 | marsfligth | Hi, I have a hard disk in EXT3 filesystem that few days a go has been corrupted, no ways to mount it. Then I used 'fsck.ext3' command and now all files are into a folder named 'lost-found' and there are at maximum the half part of files that i had before that disaster. So, now, what can I do? I already saved the files available and the disk has been tested with the diagnostic tool in extended mode twice, always wit success. |
| 09:17.47 | judgen | just black picture |
| 09:17.47 | marsfligth | So, the physic media it is OK, then, I'll try all that is possible to retrieve the original partition structure and obviously the files too ;-) Thank for reading and help me, Paolo |
| 09:18.12 | judgen | oh well, maybe next time |
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| 09:19.11 | sephii | marsfligth: is the lost+found dir on the same disk that crashed? |
| 09:19.32 | boudiccas | marsfligth, did you have backups of this data? |
| 09:19.56 | marsfligth | sephii: yes |
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| 09:20.50 | judgen | aaw maan, is there any way to get away from the distortion at bootup (makes the computer unusable) without having nomodeset in grub? |
| 09:21.42 | sephii | marsfligth: bad luck then, the remaining content of your files might have been overwritten by the content of the lost+found dir |
| 09:21.50 | judgen | first i thought it was trying to output to the vga/dvi ports instead of the laptop monitor. Tried with an external screen and rame result. |
| 09:21.52 | marsfligth | boudiccas: I just rescued a part of files that where on that disk, and now I backuped them on other disk, but a full backup of the disk before the disaster missing ... |
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| 09:23.26 | marsfligth | sephii: but if I recreate the same partition structure with his hard links, |
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| 09:24.35 | boudiccas | marsfligth, after losing >all< my home data in an error on my part, i now back up every 3 hours to an external h/d, and once a fortnight i tar up the daily backup to a dvd. I'm not going to get caught again like i did. i'd advise you to start a regular backup plan to minimise problems like you're now having |
| 09:24.46 | marsfligth | sephii: do you hink that 'fsck' overwrite the jurnaling? |
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| 09:25.18 | sephii | marsfligth: you'd still need the partition table, which you lost. there are software that allow you to recreate some of the partition table from the contents, but because you wrote on that disk, it has obviously ovewritten some of this content |
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| 09:28.34 | boudiccas | in a terminal window, using the 'history' command, how do you page up the list of commands please? |
| 09:28.47 | marsfligth | sephii: in the past i lost many importan files and now i had 2 hd that where only for backup, and his mirror. and every day by rsync i updated all, but that day when a hd ddin't mount, rsync had become crazy, in few minutes has deleted all files in the mirror disk |
| 09:29.13 | marsfligth | only after i understood the reason |
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| 09:29.21 | Arafangion` | marsfligth: You had a silly backup system, then. |
| 09:29.54 | marsfligth | Arafangion`: please define 'silly' |
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| 09:30.10 | Arafangion` | marsfligth: You lost data. |
| 09:30.53 | marsfligth | what i mistook is that i set rsync to poin to mount points and not to the dev |
| 09:32.27 | sephii | marsfligth: the first thing you should have done is unmount the disk, then remount it read-only and try to recover the files. if you only had removed files but no new files written on the disk, you'd have a good chance to recover them |
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| 09:33.11 | marsfligth | when rsync found an empty mount point, it is just a folder, was empty because the hd was offline and at 6 pm the rsync cron started deleting all the mirror tha is in ext4, so impossible to get back the data |
| 09:34.00 | sephii | marsfligth: so it just deleted you mirror right? not the source files |
| 09:34.16 | sephii | marsfligth: ...or did you execute rsync with --delete? |
| 09:34.20 | marsfligth | sephii: it is to late, im been too faar |
| 09:34.32 | marsfligth | yes |
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| 09:34.50 | sephii | marsfligth: then you had a silly backup system |
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| 09:35.33 | marsfligth | sephii: i know, it is a stupid prtice, but it keep the mirror exactly as the source hd |
| 09:36.00 | judgen | Can i install 2.6 kernel in wheezy somehow? |
| 09:36.11 | sephii | marsfligth: ...and the source exactly as the mirror, which is obviously not what you want |
| 09:36.21 | judgen | i only find a dummp package in the repos |
| 09:36.24 | judgen | dummy |
| 09:36.32 | marsfligth | sephii: ok, i admit it, but w/o --delete, i have to check manually every time |
| 09:38.24 | marsfligth | sephii: just a curiosity, if i had set the device path like /dev/sd1 instead he his mount point, rsync would be stopped? |
| 09:38.29 | Iridos | marsfligth, actually... I suggest rsnapshot or the like for the future... it also just keels an 1:1 copy of the disk, but also keeps version from the last N backups |
| 09:38.52 | Iridos | marsfligth, then it'd have just copied one file, which is the device |
| 09:39.04 | sephii | marsfligth: well, it's too late but next time maybe use a backup system like burp or similar |
| 09:39.48 | Iridos | sephii, "burp" doesn't SOUND very promising for a backup system, actually |
| 09:40.17 | Arafangion | Personally, for desktops, I like backintime. |
| 09:40.22 | marsfligth | nobody has tried 'unison'? |
| 09:40.58 | marsfligth | i read about it, and it seems very interesting |
| 09:41.01 | sephii | Iridos: yeah, and "libcaca" doesn't SOUND very promising too but it's still a great library :) |
| 09:41.08 | Iridos | boudiccas, depends on your terminal. shift-pgup for xterm. do "history |less" instead |
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| 09:42.08 | sephii | marsfligth: unison is great. I'm using it to sync some content between my machines and a server that holds a central copy. some kind of self-hosted dropbox. i never used it to backup stuff though and I'm not sure it was designed for that |
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| 09:42.18 | intore | hi, i can't authenticate with ldap user credential from my client, ldap server is on debian squeeze. using getent passwd i can see all the ldap users but i can't login with. coul you help me please? |
| 09:42.19 | Iridos | sephii, I agree on the name, altough I have doubts on its usefulness :) |
| 09:42.34 | duplo_ | Hello, I'm looking for GNU GCC/G++ at least version 3.4.4 |
| 09:43.08 | duplo_ | But its only available on lenny, what can I do? |
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| 09:43.40 | langner | Hi! Any maintainers here that could help me with packaging? |
| 09:43.41 | Iridos | huh, what? |
| 09:45.33 | marsfligth | sephii: anyway, after this secon disaster in my *nix experience, form now i switch off 'cron' for few years ;-) only by hand on a terminal tha interact wit me |
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| 09:47.34 | Iridos | marsfligth, I missed the start of this... you had 2 copies - original and backup. I only saw that the disk was offline.. so how did you lose both? The backup was lost, because rsync deleted files on it, seeing an empty disk... and the original? |
| 09:47.53 | marsfligth | anyway, jut to make a try, seen that i have not chance to rescue all my files, what tool can you suggest me other than 'fsck'? i mean a bomb tool ... |
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| 09:48.33 | Iridos | langn... |
| 09:48.42 | Iridos | ah... self-resolving |
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| 09:50.19 | thewanderer1 | is there an XMPP/Jabber client with support for XEP-0198, in particular, for message acknowledgements and retransmissions? |
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| 09:51.22 | Arafangion | thewanderer1: Why don't you ask Jabber people? |
| 09:51.29 | Arafangion | thewanderer1: Eg, in the jabber conference room. |
| 09:52.05 | wolfric | is it possible to change the "change" time of an inode? ie the change field if you do stat file? |
| 09:52.07 | thewanderer1 | right... :P |
| 09:52.17 | Arafangion | wolfric: 'touch', iirc. |
| 09:52.48 | Arafangion | Yep - touch. |
| 09:53.15 | wolfric | that's not the change time |
| 09:53.20 | wolfric | that's the modify and access time |
| 09:53.34 | Arafangion | wolfric: What's the change time, then? |
| 09:53.43 | wolfric | change is the last time the inode was changed |
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| 09:53.48 | marsfligth | Iridos: the scenario: i have 3 hds. 1 for system and work, second for backup the 1 hd, the third is for create a double copy of the backup (mirror). What happened, cron started rsync --delete going to copy the secon hd to cyncronizze it to the thrd. when rsync has found a simple moun point (a empty folder) because the hd #2 was offline, it has interpreted that no mor file where present on the source, then, obioviusly it has |
| 09:53.50 | marsfligth | deleted all my 1 TB miro hd ............ |
| 09:53.58 | wolfric | such as doing touch even if you set it to something other than "right now" |
| 09:53.59 | Arafangion | wolfric: Wouldn't that be fs specific, then? |
| 09:54.52 | wolfric | i'm guessing if it was and someone did know the answer anyway, they'd just say "hey yeah but it's only for this filesystem" |
| 09:54.55 | Arafangion | wolfric: And you don't want to change the modify time? |
| 09:55.07 | sephii | marsfligth: so it just deleted the contents of the mirror disk, not the source files right? |
| 09:55.08 | wolfric | no i want to change the change time |
| 09:55.24 | wolfric | or know if it can be changed anyway |
| 09:55.29 | Iridos | sephii, that's what I was actually asking.... |
| 09:55.59 | Iridos | now if I read that correctly, there's even 3 copies of the same. One got erased... so what about the other 2 |
| 09:56.00 | Arafangion | wolfric: Which filesystem? |
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| 09:57.00 | wolfric | Arafangion: some linux filesystem such as ext2/3/4 |
| 09:57.06 | marsfligth | my last chanche its to undelete the mirror disk #3, that was only been deleted. problem is that is an ext4 fs, and there are few probabilities that it will rescue all |
| 09:57.23 | Arafangion | wolfric: I dont' think ext2 has 'change' times, as distinct from the modify time? |
| 09:57.43 | wolfric | Arafangion: fine ext3 then |
| 09:57.52 | wolfric | Arafangion: do you know the answer if it was any filesystem? |
| 09:57.59 | marsfligth | with ext2 should be easyer, no journaling |
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| 09:58.51 | marsfligth | but i didn't used for his limitations |
| 09:59.58 | Lovecraft | bocaneri: Hows things? |
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| 10:01.56 | sauvin | lovecraft: things are OK. What's up on your end? :) |
| 10:01.59 | Arafangion | wolfric: Actually, you're right, ext2 does have change times, as described on http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ext2.txt |
| 10:02.51 | Lovecraft | sauvin: Well enough, winter is done .. spring is coming on. Woodticks will be here soon. |
| 10:03.16 | sauvin | Oh, lovely. |
| 10:03.33 | Lovecraft | chewy |
| 10:03.36 | Lovecraft | heh |
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| 10:04.02 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: not a single system tool is designed to change ctimes - it could be done, but probably someone decided it shouldn't |
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| 10:04.26 | Lovecraft | Hardly any snow, everything is dead and dry. |
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| 10:10.07 | consequent | I'm partitioning a debian server. Can anyone recommend a partition scheme? I'm thinking of / 500MB /usr 3-5GB /var 10-15 GB /mount 10GB |
| 10:10.13 | DelTree | lvm |
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| 10:10.44 | consequent | should I make one primary partition for boot then do the rest in lvm? |
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| 10:11.32 | DelTree | iirc grub2 even reads in lvm... |
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| 10:12.02 | DelTree | but a small primary ext2 for /boot still is a good idea... |
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| 10:13.26 | ChrisH | DelTree: I accidently once did setup a box with a md for /boot but nothing in. /boot is inside mirrored LVM and the box is booting fine. |
| 10:13.30 | thewanderer1 | consequent: you're better off with an integrated /usr with / |
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| 10:14.33 | DelTree | ChrisH: doesn't surprise me... grub2 is no bootloader... it's a full os... at least for disk part... |
| 10:15.20 | thewanderer1 | personally, I like to boot off a pendrive and use Linux's initramfs for initializing arrays etc. |
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| 10:16.41 | boudiccas | can anyone recommend a text editor to me that allows you to highlight a word and press CTRL + B and the word is 'bolded', and then you can save the document as foobar.txt please? |
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| 10:17.09 | boudiccas | i've tried kwrite and leafpad and neither of then can do it |
| 10:17.37 | ChrisH | boudiccas: NO ASCII Text exitor is capable of that. |
| 10:17.37 | BigRedS | boudiccas: that'd require rich text wouldn't it? |
| 10:17.40 | galexydeb | boudiccas: not possible |
| 10:17.44 | BigRedS | so, er, abiword? |
| 10:17.51 | ChrisH | Libreoffice |
| 10:17.55 | BigRedS | shudders |
| 10:18.06 | boudiccas | hmmm. |
| 10:18.06 | Arafangion | Emacs probably can. |
| 10:18.11 | BigRedS | shudders again |
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| 10:18.25 | ChrisH | BigRedS: Why did I expect that :) |
| 10:19.24 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: why not something like /* TODO: huh? */ |
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| 10:19.56 | sephii | there's certainly a vim plugin for that |
| 10:20.09 | thewanderer1 | for custom highlights? for sure |
| 10:20.17 | BigRedS | ChrisH: well, i'd just suggested abiword, I felt honour-bound do dislike LO :) |
| 10:20.46 | ChrisH | BigRedS: It was on the second one... [X]Emacs |
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| 10:23.03 | boudiccas | this is for blog posts in nanoblogger, so it has to have the output as txt to enable it to be parsed by nanaoblogger |
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| 10:23.34 | Iridos | consequent, what about /home? And yes... I wouldn't split off /usr... perhaps /usr/local if you expect heavy use of it ... apart from that... depends on your use? For a lot of systems just / (system) and /home (user-data) works well enough |
| 10:23.45 | consequent | Any other ideas for a good server partition scheme? (: |
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| 10:23.58 | Iridos | boudiccas, then read about nanoblogger syntax... |
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| 10:24.30 | consequent | How do I make / a logical volume? |
| 10:24.45 | Iridos | boudiccas, it probably takes html... so for use <b> bold </b> |
| 10:24.52 | ChrisH | consequent: Depending on the expected load and use... I normal use / /usr /var /export /home /tmp |
| 10:24.58 | BigRedS | ChrisH: ah! I wondered if that was it. Well, of course it was expected than! |
| 10:25.00 | BigRedS | *then |
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| 10:25.50 | ChrisH | consequent: / gets a logical volume the same way as any other Filsystem. Debian Installer helps you. |
| 10:26.51 | consequent | I can only make 4 primary partitions. What needs to be outside the lvm partition as primaries? |
| 10:27.35 | ChrisH | The stuff from redmond if needed on multi boot boxes.... You did not yet explain what the system is planed for. |
| 10:28.06 | thewanderer1 | consequent: /boot ext2, everything else is on LVM so you only get 2 MBR partitions |
| 10:28.35 | consequent | LAMP server |
| 10:29.21 | ChrisH | my recommendation: create extra lvols for the application data and logs |
| 10:29.28 | DelTree | one of the primaries can be extended... remember... ;) |
| 10:29.35 | consequent | I did 4GB swap, 2 GB /, 30GB lvm container |
| 10:29.40 | DelTree | (but with lvm you don't need to go that far)... |
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| 10:30.09 | ChrisH | consequent: / should be in LVM |
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| 10:30.51 | Iridos | I think there's really no point everyone suggesting something at random on little or no data |
| 10:31.09 | Iridos | consequent, look at http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
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| 10:32.10 | Iridos | as I said... just putting pretty much everything in one partition works good enough if you don't have very heavy use on <something> |
| 10:32.19 | Iridos | or $something |
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| 10:32.34 | Iridos | and what you might want to split off depends heavily on $something |
| 10:33.23 | Iridos | /home is generally a good idea if you expect to have any user data... /var/www can be a good idea for similar reasons (i.e. can reinstall system without touching user data) |
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| 10:33.44 | cento | hi |
| 10:33.59 | consequent | I want a separate /var/www and /var/mail |
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| 10:35.00 | Iridos | so just take separate /var? |
| 10:35.17 | cento | anyone can help me (or send me an usefull link) to configure kvm on a server with a single nic? i need to use a public ip for host and another public if for guest (I how 2 public ip). I have problem to use eth0:0 (I suppose) and bridging |
| 10:35.22 | Iridos | there's also /var/logs, which can be fast-growing if you run a webserver with _lots_ of accesses |
| 10:35.33 | thewanderer1 | consequent: well, use LVM for the pools |
| 10:35.52 | cento | *ip |
| 10:36.17 | cento | s/if/ip & s/how/own/ |
| 10:36.55 | thewanderer1 | cento: don't use aliases. use a bridge, assign an address to the bridge, give KVM a virtio-net interface, assign the interface to the said bridge, layer 2 is done - now just give the VM an address and you're fine |
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| 10:38.20 | cento | thewanderer1, but in this way, can I have a public IP for the server and another public IP for the virtual-machine? |
| 10:38.25 | consequent | I realized what I was doing incorrectly nvm thanks for the assistance |
| 10:38.58 | thewanderer1 | cento: sure |
| 10:39.15 | cento | if I connect eth0 -> br0 , and use br0 as NIC of virtual-machine, my virtual machine use NAT and don't have public ip :( |
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| 10:39.52 | thewanderer1 | cento: because you're running in NAT mode instead of bridged mode surely |
| 10:40.16 | cento | I need to change configuration when I install virtual-machine? |
| 10:40.25 | thewanderer1 | cento: what are you using? libvirt? |
| 10:40.35 | cento | yes |
| 10:41.02 | cento | I have a ubuntu-server, but I want to install Debian inside with a public IP |
| 10:41.05 | thewanderer1 | cento: at the end of VM creation, it has NIC selection. choose "use shared device" and type in the bridge name |
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| 10:41.13 | cento | but ubuntu-server need to have the different public ip |
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| 10:42.47 | thewanderer1 | in short, instead of a "virtual network" for the NIC, choose a custom device name and type in your bridge |
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| 10:43.14 | cento | thewanderer1, but how I need to configure the host? with this? -> http://paste.debian.net/163798/ |
| 10:43.19 | mikkelb | Hello! Does anybody here speak Dutch? |
| 10:43.29 | Woet | mikkelb: #debian-nl |
| 10:43.35 | mikkelb | Thanks Woet |
| 10:43.46 | thewanderer1 | cento: no. the host should not know *anything* about the VM's public IP. |
| 10:43.47 | Woet | dpkg: debian-n |
| 10:43.47 | dpkg | Woet: are you using Windows? |
| 10:43.49 | Woet | dpkg: debian-nl |
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| 10:43.56 | Woet | hmm |
| 10:43.57 | Woet | dpkg: debian-nl |
| 10:43.57 | dpkg | Woet: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:44.01 | thewanderer1 | !nl |
| 10:44.02 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 10:44.06 | Woet | ah, thanks |
| 10:44.09 | Woet | dpkg: nl |
| 10:44.13 | Woet | i see |
| 10:44.14 | cento | thewanderer1, I don't need to touch the host, it's true? |
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| 10:44.22 | thewanderer1 | cento: remove the whole br0:0 stanza |
| 10:44.27 | cento | ok |
| 10:44.36 | cento | but br0 is good? |
| 10:45.03 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 10:45.32 | cento | in this way, the host have MY_IP_1 , true? |
| 10:45.53 | cento | now I configure guest and I install public IP inside guest? |
| 10:45.59 | thewanderer1 | cento: yes |
| 10:46.02 | cento | (I try now) |
| 10:46.06 | thewanderer1 | are you using virt-manager? |
| 10:46.10 | cento | yes |
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| 10:46.23 | thewanderer1 | cento: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RwZQgPmZGEg/TnknNGqx9JI/AAAAAAAAAAM/3rwd685HTVY/s1600/bridge-interface-virt-manager.png |
| 10:46.30 | cento | I know ONLY virt-manager :) (waiting gnome boxes) :) |
| 10:46.32 | thewanderer1 | for reference, this is how the network config should look |
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| 10:46.46 | thewanderer1 | (more or less) |
| 10:46.59 | cento | the bridge name need to be br0 or I need to use another name? |
| 10:47.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah, br0 |
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| 10:47.18 | cento | aahhh I understand |
| 10:47.28 | cento | br0 work as bridge for local and virtual nic |
| 10:47.33 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 10:47.35 | cento | ok |
| 10:47.41 | cento | thanks , I try |
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| 10:48.25 | thewanderer1 | don't forget to make eth0 "iface eth0 inet manual" instead of static - you don't want an address on eth0 |
| 10:48.36 | cento | yep |
| 10:49.19 | cento | but I also need to set options like "bridge_ports, bridge_fd, bridge_hello" and so on? |
| 10:50.08 | thewanderer1 | on eth0? no |
| 10:50.33 | thewanderer1 | for br0, you only really need bridge_ports - but setting bridge_fd and the rest won't hurt |
| 10:50.49 | cento | ok |
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| 10:51.14 | cento | and in the virtual machine I need to use the same trick? |
| 10:51.27 | cento | eth0 manual and br0 with IP_2 ? |
| 10:51.48 | cento | or in the VM I need to configure eth0 as usual? |
| 10:52.25 | thewanderer1 | just configure eth0 in the VM - no bridging there |
| 10:52.28 | cento | ok |
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| 10:56.04 | cento | thewanderer1, why virt-manager needs bridge-utils as depency? -.- |
| 10:56.49 | thewanderer1 | cento: it doesn't - it is a Recommends: not a Depends: |
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| 11:08.31 | Devastator | judd ,versions iptables |
| 11:08.57 | Devastator | wrong syntax i guess.. |
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| 11:11.29 | cento | thewanderer1, installation freeze on ntp setup |
| 11:11.30 | cento | lol |
| 11:11.43 | ChrisH | If a debian Bug I posted a note to is closed, is it good-practice to confirm its fixed by sending a reply to the bug? |
| 11:12.20 | thewanderer1 | cento: it works for me - maybe a problem with Ubuntu's KVM |
| 11:13.26 | cento | thewanderer1, however the new IP (IP2) is pingable, but installation process freeze -.- |
| 11:13.36 | cento | when try to set the clock |
| 11:14.32 | thewanderer1 | cento: switch to tty4 (alt+f4 in installer) and see what's happened |
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| 11:23.19 | ovisor | hi all, I have a problem with my Xorg.conf, after installing the nVidia drivers, "nvidia-xconfigure" doesn't work |
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| 11:23.59 | ovisor | *"nvidia-xconfig" that is |
| 11:25.01 | ovisor | clear |
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| 11:32.51 | Rix | how do i kill user session - not to kill his processes, but to terminate his ssh.. i dont want to show "gone - no logout" and in uptime 4 users instead of less |
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| 11:33.51 | thewanderer1 | Rix: well, find his ssh on the process list and kill it? |
| 11:33.52 | Rix | there are 2 users currently logged in but it shows 4 users - two of them gone - no logoout |
| 11:34.04 | Rix | pts/2 what does that mean |
| 11:34.09 | thewanderer1 | pseudo terminal 2 |
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| 11:34.32 | Rix | there are no ssh processes |
| 11:34.36 | Rix | apart from ssh-agent |
| 11:35.01 | thewanderer1 | does "w" show them as logged on? |
| 11:35.03 | Rix | and the bash process is only run by me |
| 11:35.06 | Rix | no |
| 11:35.22 | Rix | but last | login shows them as gone without logout |
| 11:35.30 | Rix | and uptime shows 4 users instead of 2 |
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| 11:35.36 | Rix | w shows the 2 users |
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| 11:44.44 | Rix | :)) |
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| 11:56.50 | onegin | im having trouble getting ulimit -u to work in my user's .profile, it is being completely ignored, other ulimit options work like -v but not -u |
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| 11:56.59 | onegin | will work in .bashrc, but i want it in .profile |
| 11:57.04 | onegin | why isnt it working |
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| 11:57.14 | onegin | ulimit -a will show unlimited |
| 11:57.40 | onegin | my other options are being executed, but not that one |
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| 11:59.38 | onegin | ok it will work when i log in from tty but not graphical login, something is overriding my ulimit -u, but my other ulimit options in .profile work |
| 11:59.58 | cento | thewanderer1, but you suggest to use Hypervision or virtio , for the nic? |
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| 12:00.29 | thewanderer1 | cento: virtio... no idea what this Hypervision is |
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| 12:01.17 | cento | thewanderer1, your screenshot show hypervision :) |
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| 12:01.25 | cento | *hypervisor |
| 12:01.57 | thewanderer1 | cento: you can use virtio or hypervisor default, it's the same thing |
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| 12:16.13 | me-1 | hi...how can i install LXDE after just base install..? |
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| 12:17.15 | thewanderer1 | me-1: have you tried apt-get install lxde? :P |
| 12:17.57 | me-1 | thewanderer1, will i install..? I think I will have to install X11 1st |
| 12:18.18 | CruX| | me-1: why ? |
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| 12:18.49 | CruX| | what should be installed automatically |
| 12:19.05 | thewanderer1 | me-1: you said LXDE... if you want a local X display, then yes, install xserver-xorg and some display manager (gdm/xdm/slim), too |
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| 12:19.34 | kripz | how do i upgrade packages from the backport repository? |
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| 12:21.24 | me-1 | CruX|, thewanderer1 I am just asking. I am a new user . I will be really glad if i can do it by just apt-get install lxde . remember i installed base system from CD1 and unchecked D.E |
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| 12:23.07 | thewanderer1 | me-1: LXDE can operate just fine without X.org (local display), for example over SSH, which is why it does not install X by default - it's required if you want to use a local display, keyboard etc. |
| 12:23.49 | me-1 | thewanderer1, what is a local display..? |
| 12:24.03 | thewanderer1 | me-1: a monitor hooked up to your PC :P |
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| 12:24.46 | me-1 | thewanderer1, this is a laptop . it has only 128 MB ram so i want LXDE instead of gnome 2 |
| 12:24.50 | thewanderer1 | for the typical usage, you need xserver-xorg. I was just explaining why LXDE doesn't install it by default as a dependency |
| 12:25.37 | thewanderer1 | it'll be pretty slow on 128MB, even with LXDE |
| 12:26.10 | me-1 | thewanderer1, slow to the point of unuseable..? |
| 12:26.53 | bobweaver | what about flux or openbox ? |
| 12:26.56 | thewanderer1 | the desktop itself should be okay, but avoid web sites with animations and lots of images like the plague. also, install chromium-browser instead of iceweasel, the latter will grind the system to a halt |
| 12:27.07 | bobweaver | ahh I see nm |
| 12:27.11 | Iridos | avoid running a browser? :P |
| 12:27.11 | thewanderer1 | bobweaver: LXDE uses openbox, just loads more components but they can be disabled I guess |
| 12:27.56 | bobweaver | cool I did not know that learn something new all the time as it was more of a question for myself then a anwser for others :) |
| 12:28.24 | bobweaver | I ahve to reboot just upgraded my system from 32bit to 64 wish me luck I am going to need it |
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| 12:28.56 | thewanderer1 | I choose to wish him good backups in retrospect... |
| 12:29.04 | Iridos | note that he didn't say "I'll be back" |
| 12:29.42 | me-1 | final question should i install xserver-xorg + lxde or lxde alone and how (if you can type the cli commands) |
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| 12:30.17 | Iridos | I'd just go with openbox for starters... who needs that DE crap |
| 12:30.26 | Iridos | dpkg, install xorg |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
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| 12:32.28 | me-1 | install lxde |
| 12:32.39 | karlpinc | !tell me-1 about msg the bot |
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| 12:33.40 | bobweaver | well that was no good |
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| 12:34.00 | bobweaver | just about everything failed there |
| 12:34.16 | karlpinc | bobweaver: Yup. There's no transition path between architecturs. |
| 12:34.25 | karlpinc | bobweaver: But there is, sorta. |
| 12:34.33 | karlpinc | !tell bobweaver about aptitude clone |
| 12:34.34 | bobweaver | I tought that I fixed that with debootstrap |
| 12:35.08 | bobweaver | I am on different computer now but running apt-get -f install |
| 12:35.17 | bobweaver | seems like the docs are wrong |
| 12:35.25 | bobweaver | I followed to the T |
| 12:35.54 | karlpinc | bobweaver: There's docs for changing from 32 to 64 bit? |
| 12:35.55 | bobweaver | http://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
| 12:36.42 | thewanderer1 | the doc should probably have a disclaimer at the beginning |
| 12:36.47 | bobweaver | I guess that is wiki not Doc so I see how could be wrong |
| 12:37.11 | bobweaver | umm it does |
| 12:37.54 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 12:37.58 | thewanderer1 | it's not disclaimerish enough. and lacks red... |
| 12:38.28 | bobweaver | also debian is going to blow out my speakers |
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| 12:38.41 | bobweaver | evertime I reboot I here a huge Pop |
| 12:38.51 | abrotman | don't do that ? |
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| 12:38.57 | bobweaver | like it make me cringe that is how bad it is |
| 12:39.09 | bobweaver | what reboot or shut down computer |
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| 12:39.24 | thewanderer1 | well, I've seen that happen on hardware with funky BIOSes |
| 12:39.43 | bobweaver | how do you mean "funky " |
| 12:39.50 | bobweaver | my bios is cool as could be |
| 12:39.59 | thewanderer1 | new and relatively unknown |
| 12:40.06 | bobweaver | it is when shutting down that this happens maye alsa |
| 12:40.19 | karlpinc | bobweaver: So, perhaps upgrading the bios would fix it. |
| 12:40.39 | thewanderer1 | it may be alsa after all - see if you hear sth like that when muting |
| 12:41.20 | bobweaver | well I got to get running again |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | that guide is awful .. i'd have just backed up and reinstalled |
| 12:41.34 | kqr | what might be wrong if i have a pxe-booted debian which works fine on one kind of laptop, but on another kind (slightly older) it segfaults half of the programs i try to run? |
| 12:42.06 | kqr | (seems to be ld-2.11.3.so in this particular case, but i remember some kind of c++ library from earlier too) |
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| 12:43.17 | bobweaver | well here is the thing it i taking like 12 hr to DL just the 32bit version I have even looked at local I mean in my back yard mirrors I have no clue way it is taking that long |
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| 12:46.50 | bobweaver | what is the point of having sudo out of the box if there is no user using it @_@ |
| 12:47.14 | Iridos | dunno, what is? |
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| 12:48.02 | bobweaver | bloat ? |
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| 12:49.18 | bobweaver | here goes another 12hr of downloading. Gosh some of the things I do too learn |
| 12:49.33 | bobweaver | flippen linux certifed computer |
| 12:50.43 | bobweaver | dude that wrote that crap sould be punched in the face |
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| 12:50.53 | abrotman | bobweaver: security? |
| 12:51.05 | bobweaver | what about it ? |
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| 12:51.48 | bobweaver | oh sudo you are saying |
| 12:52.31 | bobweaver | but what i dont get is why if it is not assigned to a user what good is it doing there it is just sitting there waiting to be configed ? |
| 12:52.58 | bobweaver | I have no troubl doing that once I reinstall that is |
| 12:53.16 | bobweaver | gosh I would 100% fight the dude that made that wiki |
| 12:53.23 | abrotman | then don't install it .. i have plenty of boxes without sudo |
| 12:53.29 | bobweaver | And I am a small dude |
| 12:53.43 | abrotman | i realize sudo is a huge package .. |
| 12:53.44 | bobweaver | it comes out of the box on squeeze |
| 12:53.51 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
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| 12:54.00 | bobweaver | umm I just seen it happen |
| 12:54.01 | abrotman | judd: info sudo --release squeeze |
| 12:54.02 | judd | Package sudo (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. Version: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.2; Size: 577.1k; Installed: 920k |
| 12:54.07 | abrotman | OMG .. 1MB! |
| 12:54.20 | abrotman | bobweaver: it does it when you choose certain packages at install |
| 12:54.32 | bobweaver | sweet thanks |
| 12:54.39 | nevyn | psuedo tty. |
| 12:54.44 | abrotman | i can install squeeze today with no sudo at all |
| 12:54.44 | nevyn | bleh |
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| 12:55.24 | bobweaver | yea you can the dude with years of experience |
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| 12:56.19 | abrotman | years? i've been using Debian for two months! |
| 12:56.36 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I'm trying to trim & slim Squeeze as much as possible. now it's 545MB. I've installed localepurge, but the kernel package is still 100MB + 50MB headers O.o |
| 12:57.04 | thewanderer1 | apart from that, I have no idea what to remove to make it a sub-300MB install |
| 12:57.05 | abrotman | thewanderer1: headers? |
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| 12:57.12 | abrotman | thewanderer1: deborphan may help |
| 12:57.18 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yes, kernel headers. I needed them for $something |
| 12:57.23 | abrotman | bobweaver: i'm kidding, i've been using Debian for avery long time |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | thewanderer1: also trim down your logrotate if that's storing a bunch of stuff |
| 12:57.44 | thewanderer1 | huh, deborphan itself takes 2MB :P |
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| 12:57.48 | bobweaver | and it is like sid if you do not know how to install or where to get iso the you are not worthy :) |
| 12:57.57 | bobweaver | whats up with that |
| 12:57.59 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: logs are not important, this install is loaded to RAM |
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| 12:58.22 | abrotman | bobweaver: because things break, and if you can't figure out how to install it, you probably don't have the basic skills to run it on a regular basis |
| 12:58.26 | bobweaver | I thought that it is about freedoom to do what ever you want even if that is breaking you computer |
| 12:58.33 | abrotman | thewanderer1: deborphan |
| 12:58.45 | abrotman | bobweaver: we can't stop you .. but doesn't mean we have to help you either :) |
| 12:59.31 | thomaschaaf | I am using the following init script https://github.com/komola/node-eyefi/blob/master/init to run the program on boot. I would like to change the init script so that it is started by someone else. should I simply add "su USERNAME" before line 101 ? |
| 12:59.41 | Strogg | resumes yesterday's battle with udev |
| 13:00.05 | abrotman | thomaschaaf: did you try it ?you may want a -c in there also |
| 13:00.11 | bobweaver | abrotman, how to learn then get shoved into corner |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | bobweaver: huh? |
| 13:00.28 | bobweaver | plz dont take thatt the wrong why these are just questions |
| 13:00.31 | bobweaver | :>) |
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| 13:00.53 | bobweaver | like the saying if you push a dog into a corner he will bit you |
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| 13:01.06 | abrotman | bobweaver: we're just saying that sid/unstable is not an easy thing to use .. why should we make it easy for you to install it and shoot yourself in the food .. |
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| 13:01.25 | thewanderer1 | the purpose of this trimming is to have the OS load into RAM... has anyone managed to make it <200MB? |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | bobweaver: and then you might run around sayinh "Debian sucks" because you used sid, and it broke, which it's expected to do |
| 13:01.29 | bobweaver | but if you teach the dog that you are helping him and not wanting to harm him then he loves to go into the corner |
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| 13:01.35 | abrotman | thewanderer1: that's tiny, unlikely |
| 13:01.47 | bobweaver | great point |
| 13:01.47 | thewanderer1 | I just can't track down the top space users |
| 13:01.59 | abrotman | !tell thewanderer1 about sort by installed |
| 13:02.03 | abrotman | w/in 6 |
| 13:02.08 | tralala | how do I add directories to sys.path in debian? |
| 13:02.14 | tralala | python |
| 13:02.40 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I mean, I did that but apart from the usual offenders (100MB of kernel modules) there is nothing, just all libs seem to be extra huge |
| 13:02.41 | kripz | how do i upgrade packages from the backport repository? |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | !tell tehwaabout sort by size |
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| 13:02.48 | abrotman | grr |
| 13:02.49 | sephii | tralala: set the PYTHONPATH env var? |
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| 13:02.53 | abrotman | !tell thewanderer1 about sort by size |
| 13:03.05 | abrotman | kripz: the instructions on the site tell you |
| 13:03.07 | tralala | sephii, thank you |
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| 13:03.51 | kripz | abrotman, they only explain how to install a package |
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| 13:04.10 | bobweaver | to be 100% honest this is my 3rd time coming back to debian so there must be something that I like about it |
| 13:04.21 | abrotman | bobweaver: the logo? |
| 13:04.22 | sephii | bobweaver: maybe the logo |
| 13:04.28 | sephii | shit |
| 13:04.29 | TheBlackDazed | hi guys... I've downloaded the latest version of Debian from rapidshare, where can I find the appropriate serial or crack? |
| 13:04.38 | abrotman | kripz: it should upgrade it .. if not, you can install it again |
| 13:04.40 | bobweaver | no I do not think that that is it but maybe |
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| 13:04.52 | abrotman | TheBlackDazed: debian.org will help you |
| 13:04.52 | bobweaver | lol |
| 13:04.53 | Iridos | <bobweaver> I thought that it is about freedoom to do what ever you want even if that is breaking you computer |
| 13:05.12 | Iridos | bobweaver, right... that's freedom and it includes the freedom to fail miserably and be laughed at |
| 13:05.23 | bobweaver | true |
| 13:05.35 | kripz | abrotman, the problem is that i have lost track which packages are from backport |
| 13:05.37 | bobweaver | but will that make a community stronger or worse ? |
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| 13:06.02 | bobweaver | the man that fails gets back up again and wipes off his shirt and still goes for it |
| 13:06.03 | Iridos | thewanderer1, and one of the main goals of emdebian is to make install-size smaller |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | kripz: moment |
| 13:06.12 | bobweaver | then ares hole laugh |
| 13:06.22 | bobweaver | because they have no life them self |
| 13:06.34 | Iridos | thewanderer1, and I think install-size is like 60M? |
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| 13:06.38 | bobweaver | and its funny |
| 13:07.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kripz about bdo list |
| 13:08.15 | bobweaver | also the guy that gets laughed at walk away and invents jocky-gtk or something like that |
| 13:08.17 | bobweaver | Burn |
| 13:08.25 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 13:08.29 | Iridos | bobweaver, as was said... helping a man onto the way where he will fail and be laughed at might be considered a disservice... if you run sid, you'll have to figure out a lot of stuff for yourself and not rely on others, so why not start with that _before_ you run sid? |
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| 13:09.13 | dsdeiz | hey, where are bash functions usually created? just in .bashrc? |
| 13:09.30 | bobweaver | oh I have ran sid for a while now I see what you are saying I just want to get a clear view from the community |
| 13:09.42 | sephii | dsdeiz: or in an external file that you source from your bashrc |
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| 13:10.25 | dsdeiz | ah cool. thanks. was wondering if there was a file where functions reside like .bash_aliases |
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| 13:11.17 | bobweaver | I am also just pissie because some jack-wagon wrote a awesome wiki |
| 13:11.22 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: of the whole system? |
| 13:11.24 | jordanm | there is /etc/bash.bashrc, but it doesn't define functions by default |
| 13:11.43 | bobweaver | progile boys |
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| 13:11.49 | bobweaver | profile * |
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| 13:12.24 | bobweaver | what is it /etc/profile,.d/something |
| 13:13.45 | jordanm | bobweaver: all the files there are sources by /etc/profile |
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| 13:13.49 | Iridos | thewanderer1, yeah... most probably that doesn't include X |
| 13:14.55 | prsn | I've managed to successfully install gcc 4.7 on squeeze via these instructions http://nosemaj.org/debian-gcc-4-7 |
| 13:15.04 | prsn | but I don't seem to have access to the stl |
| 13:15.17 | Iridos | thewanderer1, dammit... someone from #emdebian did add some rough install sizes after I asked there about it to the webpages... now can't find it |
| 13:15.34 | prsn | can i tell this installation where it already is? Do I need to install a new version? |
| 13:15.51 | Iridos | thewanderer1, I dunno... the whole webpages are a bit of a mess |
| 13:16.45 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: mine doesn't have X either |
| 13:16.47 | bobweaver | functions or alais ? |
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| 13:17.36 | bobweaver | sorry jordanm ^^ |
| 13:17.42 | jordanm | prsn: its using LD_LIBRARY_PATH to specify the location of libs |
| 13:18.03 | prsn | I set that already, as indicated in the last paragraph of those instructions |
| 13:18.06 | woshty | i am trying to use iozone3, how does it work? i installed the package but dont seem to have an executable or docs .. |
| 13:18.19 | prsn | oh but I guess I have to add the location of the stl |
| 13:18.22 | prsn | where would that normally be? |
| 13:18.24 | jordanm | bobweaver: I have one of the two files debian can put in there and it doesn't define either, it just sources /etc/bash_completion |
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| 13:19.02 | jordanm | prsn: /lib/ or /usr/lib/ |
| 13:19.04 | woshty | nvm |
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| 13:19.27 | bobweaver | these are environment variables ? |
| 13:19.51 | prsn | jordanm: is it safe to just add those to LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Won't the older versions of stuff that's in 4.7's libs folder conflict? |
| 13:20.09 | Iridos | thewanderer1, hmm http://emdebian.org/emdebian/flavours.html "50Mb unpacked and configured", just the most basic; 90MB as "debian equivalent" most basic package selection |
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| 13:20.41 | jordanm | prsn: I have no idea, but you are only setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH in your current envrionment. starting a new shell would revert things back to normal, so you can test |
| 13:20.43 | prsn | jordanm: also, just adding them didn't work :/ Still can't find iostream |
| 13:20.58 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: hmmm, nice. I might use that indeed... |
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| 13:21.01 | jordanm | bobweaver: read the files |
| 13:21.24 | Iridos | thewanderer1, continues with "A standard run with debootstrap, creates a chroot consuming 228Mb of space, of which 52Mb are the downloaded packages (which debootstrap retains inside the chroot)." |
| 13:21.39 | Iridos | thewanderer1, not sure what you end up with |
| 13:21.48 | Iridos | or what choices you really have |
| 13:21.55 | Iridos | I find the webpages a bit cryptic |
| 13:22.43 | thewanderer1 | true. and it works with normal amd64? |
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| 13:25.02 | Strogg | does udevadm control --reload-rules actually work? |
| 13:25.09 | Iridos | hm, good question... I always assumed so... |
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| 13:25.43 | Strogg | hrmmmm. maybe there's just a big delay. hrmm |
| 13:25.46 | Iridos | thewanderer1, it's only meant for arm... but you could still use the source packages? |
| 13:26.09 | Iridos | urgh, it's still all on lenny |
| 13:26.35 | prsn | jordanm: looking around the output that the 4.7 installation produced, I see include/c++/4.7.0/iostream |
| 13:26.58 | prsn | but adding include or include/c++/4.7.0 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't help |
| 13:27.04 | Iridos | thewanderer1, ok, forget it. :P |
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| 13:27.46 | klync | win 1 |
| 13:27.52 | klync | err.... |
| 13:27.55 | iiiii | I nwver got udevadm to actually reload...i always had to reboot |
| 13:28.01 | Iridos | !win klync |
| 13:28.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, klync! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 13:28.43 | prsn | jordanm, are you still around? Anyone else interested in helping me get gcc4.7 set up under squeeze? |
| 13:28.48 | Iridos | thewanderer1, I find the page very confusing... but for "Grip" it says Support is available for i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, armhf, mips and mipsel. |
| 13:28.59 | Iridos | thewanderer1, main problem is that it's all still on lenny |
| 13:29.14 | jordanm | prsn: personally, I would have just debootsrapped a sid installation and done the compiling inside of the chroot |
| 13:29.28 | jordanm | prsn: that's the common way of building packages |
| 13:29.33 | prsn | well, the advice i got in here last night was to install it myself :/ |
| 13:29.44 | prsn | i wish someone had said that when i asked.. |
| 13:29.46 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: oh... it's out then :/ |
| 13:30.15 | prsn | jordanm: would you recommend that I give up and do that instead? |
| 13:30.31 | prsn | this seems like such a minor include path problem... |
| 13:30.50 | klync | folks, is there a way for me to get .debs from lenny? I don't want to dist-upgrade atm, but I really want to get this perl module installed (and not via cpan shell either :P). thoughts? |
| 13:31.00 | Iridos | thewanderer1, I dunno, don#t understand the process. Perhaps look at the emdebian-crush and emdebian-grip packages (I'll do that as well to see if I can make statically compiled binaries for an arm device I have where I don't want to change the whole OS) |
| 13:31.05 | jordanm | prsn: that's what I would have done from the start. I don't have any more input on how to proceed with the current way though. perhaps a C++ specific channel can help more |
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| 13:31.33 | jordanm | !tell klync about snapshot |
| 13:31.46 | klync | thx jordanm :D |
| 13:32.26 | Iridos | thewanderer1, right... look at emdebian-grip; that's what you want to rebuild your packages with |
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| 13:33.58 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 13:34.27 | jordanm | prsn: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PROJECT_DIR/output/lib/ |
| 13:35.00 | jordanm | prsn: the library path needs to be set to where you set the --prefix on the previous compiles, with /lib added on |
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| 13:36.00 | johnfg | I'm in rescue mode and I can't get grub to install properly. I'm trying to reinstall it on /dev/sda after trying to change a system on /dev/sdb. I'm running squeeze, latest on /dev/sda: /boot=/dev/sda2, /=sda3. I had wanted to work on getting rid of my lenny on /dev/sdb, but in the process have messed up my grub. |
| 13:36.50 | johnfg | Right now i'm at the Enter rescue mode, Rescue operations, <options> |
| 13:37.11 | jordanm | johnfg: grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda |
| 13:37.23 | jordanm | johnfg: mount -o remount,rw /; update-grub |
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| 13:38.19 | johnfg | When I ran update grub after choosing to Execute a shell in /dev/sda3, it gave an error about something not being mounted, and it did *not* recognize the os's, and grub wouldn't boot. |
| 13:38.44 | klync | johnfg: best option might be to unplug sdb while working on sda, and vice versa, until you're ready to migrate to the new os |
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| 13:39.14 | johnfg | jordanm: Should I choose the Execute a shell in /dev/sda3? |
| 13:39.23 | johnfg | Or klync? |
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| 13:39.42 | johnfg | In order to properly execute those commands? |
| 13:39.44 | jordanm | johnfg: you need to remount it as rw, or update-grub will not be able to write to it |
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| 13:40.51 | johnfg | So, choose the Execute a shell in /dev/sda3, which is /, then do the grub-install, or do the mount first? |
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| 13:42.35 | TheBlackDazed | int i = i; << why gcc doesn't complain this line? i wasn't defined. |
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| 13:44.41 | jordanm | TheBlackDazed: are you using -Wall? |
| 13:44.43 | johnfg | jordanm: I tried that. The grub-install seemed to work, but when I run update-grub, it gives the errors: mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/lib/os-prober/mount': No such file or directory. |
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| 13:45.07 | jordanm | johnfg: is /var on a seperate partition? |
| 13:45.13 | TheBlackDazed | jordanm: yes |
| 13:45.20 | johnfg | It gives that error 18 times, then done. |
| 13:45.21 | jordanm | TheBlackDazed: ask ##c |
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| 13:45.33 | johnfg | jordanm: Yes, /var is on a separate partition. |
| 13:45.40 | jordanm | johnfg: you need to mount it |
| 13:45.55 | johnfg | same as root? |
| 13:46.05 | jordanm | johnfg: you need to mount it at /var |
| 13:46.25 | johnfg | i.e., i mean mount -o remount,rw /var? |
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| 13:46.41 | jordanm | no, you don't need to remount it if its not mounted at all |
| 13:46.48 | jordanm | mount /dev/blah /var |
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| 13:51.36 | johnfg | ok, it found lenny on /dev/sdb after mounting /var, and I'm booting that now. But why didn't it find anything on /dev/sda? |
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| 13:52.14 | johnfg | I need squeeze on /dev/sda back! |
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| 13:54.25 | johnfg | Maybe once lenny's done booting, I can see if there's a backup of grub.cfg on /dev/sda at /boot/grub/grub.cfg. |
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| 13:56.16 | Fedexarg | Do you now where I can find information about this: "debian installation update and search packages after install" |
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| 13:59.59 | sephii | Fedexarg: on google? |
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| 14:00.56 | Fedexarg | sephii: may be… |
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| 14:01.49 | sephii | Fedexarg: i mean, this channel is not a search engine. if you have a question, ask it. don't just post random keywords |
| 14:02.27 | metalx1000 | Hello, I'm using SID and I don't see cdrecord in the repose. HAs it been replaced with something else? or does anyone have any recommendations on a Command line tool for buring ISO? |
| 14:02.46 | Fedexarg | sephii, I understand, so my question is: The debian installaer updates the install packages after install? |
| 14:03.09 | thewanderer1 | metalx1000: hmmm, wodim? |
| 14:03.20 | metalx1000 | thewanderer1: thanks, I'll check that out. |
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| 14:04.34 | metalx1000 | thanks thewanderer1, it seems to be burning :) |
| 14:04.46 | sephii | Fedexarg: what are "the install packages"? |
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| 14:05.15 | Fedexarg | sephii: sorry about my English! Debian installer |
| 14:07.11 | sephii | Fedexarg: so you're wondering if the debian installer performs a package upgrade after installation? |
| 14:07.20 | Fedexarg | sephii: Yes! |
| 14:07.53 | sephii | Fedexarg: no it doesn't |
| 14:08.28 | Fedexarg | sephii: thanks a lot |
| 14:08.29 | jordanm | netinst will install the newest packages for that release, so there is no reason to upgrade later |
| 14:08.36 | sephii | Fedexarg: the versions you get installed depend on the medium you use to install Debian. If you're installing from a cd-rom for example, you'll get the versions that are on the cd-rom. But if you're using a netinstall, you'll automatically get the latest versions of these packages |
| 14:08.46 | sephii | (that are on the remote repositories) |
| 14:09.14 | Fedexarg | sephii: I´m using netinstall |
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| 14:11.11 | sephii | Fedexarg: so the versions you get depend on the remote repositories |
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| 14:14.12 | johnfg | Hey BenNZ! You know to reinstall grub on squeeze? |
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| 14:15.39 | BenNZ | johnfg: sudo mount /dev/sdxy /mnt && sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdx usually works for me |
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| 14:16.57 | johnfg | jordanm: BenNZ from the squeeze dvd rescue mode? |
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| 14:20.33 | johnfg | I didn't leave, but whoever the other johnfg was left :-) |
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| 14:21.21 | BenNZ | johnfg: i thought that was you , lol |
| 14:22.22 | pseubodot | looks in |
| 14:22.29 | pseubodot | did anything happen to the php5-suhosin package? |
| 14:22.31 | unixabg | if a person wanted to ship out debian desktops to remote users (something like vnc) but with audio included what would |
| 14:22.41 | unixabg | they use on the server? |
| 14:22.48 | johnfg | From what I did before, with jordanm's help, there's a grub.cfg somewhere that's only got lenny on /dev/sdb! |
| 14:22.52 | unixabg | I do not think vnc will do audio. |
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| 14:23.21 | johnfg | It's not the grub.cfg at /dev/sda2, which actually looks correct. |
| 14:23.43 | Arafangion | I've not used either of these, but apparently rdesktop should, not sure. The best I've seen, though, is nomachine's offering with nxdesktop, but I haven't tried that either. |
| 14:24.30 | BenNZ | johnfg: have you got lenny and squeeze installed on the same computer |
| 14:24.31 | Arafangion | nomachine's very impressive, and there is a free version, 'freenx', however I suspect it's comparatively rather outdated now. |
| 14:24.47 | klync | pseubodot: many distros decided that the patch wasn't worth pushing any more; php incorporated a lot of the fixes it provided |
| 14:24.49 | Arafangion | unixabg: Those. :) |
| 14:25.04 | johnfg | So, I'm just about at the rescue mode, and am, and need to pick a a device to use as root file system. yes, squeeze is on /dev/sda, and lenny on /dev/sdb. |
| 14:25.10 | klync | pseubodot: eg http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00079.html |
| 14:25.49 | johnfg | My squeeze / (root partition) is at /dev/sda3. Is that what I should select? |
| 14:26.34 | BenNZ | johnfg: do you use a seperate /boot |
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| 14:27.03 | pseubodot | klync: many thanks, I'll disable. |
| 14:27.04 | johnfg | BenNZ: Yes, I have squeeze /boot at /dev/sda2. |
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| 14:27.52 | BenNZ | johnfg: then use sda2 and change --root-directory to --boot-directory |
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| 14:29.27 | johnfg | BenNZ: I selected /dev/sda2, i.e. /boot at the root directory in rescue mode. I'll then Execute a shell in /dev/sda2. Were you saying to execute a command about --root-directory there? |
| 14:29.45 | johnfg | as the root directory, not at. |
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| 14:30.31 | BenNZ | johnfg: ok i was saying to tell grub install that dev/sda2 was /boot not / |
| 14:30.42 | johnfg | Ok, that didn't work, as it says no usable shell was found on your root file system (/dev/sda2). |
| 14:31.38 | BenNZ | johnfg: are you able to boot lenny? |
| 14:32.13 | johnfg | Yeah, I can, but right now I'm in a #environment at /dev/sda3. |
| 14:32.28 | johnfg | From the squeeze install dvd rescue mode. |
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| 14:34.02 | BenNZ | johnfg: be easier to boot lenny i would think and run the command i said before |
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| 14:34.23 | johnfg | But isn't lenny using grub legacy? |
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| 14:36.01 | johnfg | Is there a way from grub2, which just came up with the grub> prompt, didn't see anything, to setup grub.cfg or get it to read it? |
| 14:36.06 | BenNZ | johnfg: yes it was sorry , that wont work then |
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| 14:37.50 | johnfg | I set, from the grub> prompt, root(hd0,msdos3). What would I enter next? |
| 14:38.19 | johnfg | tab completion doesn't seem to be helping a whole lot. |
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| 14:38.49 | BenNZ | johnfg: never installed grub that way so not sure |
| 14:38.50 | puchu | hi |
| 14:39.02 | johnfg | This is squeeze on a 32bit, x86, all updates. |
| 14:39.57 | puchu | does debian set any specific stuff for ttyUSB* devices? i can't read from a device (i can but i only get data trash) - but reading the same device on another pc (gentoo) it works - stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 gives me the same set options |
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| 14:41.09 | klync | puchu: i wonder if it's a difference of default permissions? does `dmesg | tail` show you anything interesting? |
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| 14:42.31 | puchu | klync: no |
| 14:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | puchu: I'd do a more thorough search of dmesg for messages about the serial ports being initialized. |
| 14:43.08 | johnfg | Anyone able to help with getting grub reinstalled for squeeze? |
| 14:43.15 | jhutchins_lt | !grubfix |
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| 14:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | !fixgrub |
| 14:43.25 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 14:43.53 | puchu | jhutchins_lt klync i try to reboot - maybe this helps |
| 14:44.20 | klync | puchu: unless you've installed a new kernel, rebooting won't do much for you |
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| 14:44.24 | jhutchins_lt | puchu: Rebooting rarely fixes anything in linux unless you've done something else to fix it. |
| 14:44.47 | puchu | i know but i got a kernel crash message some hours ago |
| 14:44.54 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I disagree |
| 14:45.04 | puchu | on debian it fixed sometimes problems |
| 14:45.16 | johnfg | jhutchins_lt: You think that will work from rescue mode? |
| 14:45.29 | puchu | but it seems this is debian specific on gentoo its like this - it works when it works - a reboot doesn't fix fix |
| 14:45.36 | jordanm | I work with crappy hardware that "drops" drives. the fix... reboot the server |
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| 14:46.08 | puchu | debian also get a kernel dump when i use the network card |
| 14:46.15 | puchu | only a reboot makes it useable again |
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| 14:46.32 | jordanm | puchu: that's a bug that should be reported, or possibly fixed in newer kernels |
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| 14:47.36 | puchu | jordanm i know - debian stable is using a really old kernel and maybe the "enhancements" also introduces some nice glitches :) |
| 14:47.54 | straterra | really old? |
| 14:48.03 | puchu | 2.6.32 |
| 14:48.05 | straterra | 2.6.32 isn't THAT old |
| 14:48.13 | puchu | thats really olf for me |
| 14:48.17 | puchu | old |
| 14:48.35 | puchu | on my other pc i use 3.3.2 :) |
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| 14:50.20 | jordanm | puchu: you can install a newer kernel from backports |
| 14:50.52 | puchu | yeah but this backports suck - i stick with the current version |
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| 14:51.16 | puchu | btw 2.6.32 was released 13/3/2009 and thas old ;) |
| 14:51.25 | jordanm | suck? |
| 14:51.33 | johnfg | Ok, when I followed the directions from fixgrub, it returned: Cannot find list of paritions! (Try mounting /sys.) |
| 14:51.34 | jordanm | they are the same packages targetting for the next release |
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| 14:52.28 | luana | cao |
| 14:52.30 | johnfg | I used /tmp as the target from fixgrub. Where would I mount /sys? |
| 14:52.32 | luana | list! |
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| 14:53.13 | w0bni | http://www.lightclinics.no/ some Norwegian beauty clinic |
| 14:53.15 | w0bni | notice anything? :D |
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| 14:54.10 | sephii | w0bni: oh... wait |
| 14:54.13 | w0bni | sephii: ooooh wait |
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| 14:54.24 | johnfg | after following the directions for fixgrub, and getting the error about no partitions, where would? I mount /sys |
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| 14:55.53 | w0bni | sephii: that is the debian logo, isn't it? ) |
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| 14:56.45 | johnfg | Where should I mount /sys? |
| 14:57.19 | sephii | w0bni: wait? a debian logo? i thought you posted the link because of the naked women |
| 14:57.26 | w0bni | sephii: haha |
| 14:57.33 | sephii | w0bni: indeed, it looks like a bold version of the debian logo |
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| 14:57.52 | w0bni | http://www.lightclinics.no/web/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/slides-clinic.jpg |
| 14:58.04 | w0bni | thought it was made by some Debian-lover before I saw the horribly unreadable text |
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| 14:58.47 | sephii | nerds usually have a poor sense of design and ux in general |
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| 14:59.11 | johnfg | Ok, kinda by accident, squeeze is booting. What's the best way, from squeeze, to do the update of grub that will recognize, as it should, any os's installed? |
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| 15:00.20 | pozic | Can I see why some external usb device is accessed somewhere? |
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| 15:01.00 | pozic | It's almost as if some stupidly designed applications goes around hunting all day long for already existing volumes anywhere. |
| 15:01.57 | johnfg | So how about the command? Do I need to simply run sudo update-grub2? |
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| 15:02.40 | pozic | johnfg: read the wiki or something. |
| 15:02.48 | pozic | johnfg: this has been answered a million times before. |
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| 15:20.37 | bobweaver | all right was not that bad this time with download I stared when I first started talking |
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| 15:21.07 | bobweaver | way way less then the 12 hrs it took before this was like only 3 |
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| 15:24.16 | passstab | is there a single cd for base install? |
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| 15:24.50 | jpinx | passstab: yes CD1 - strangely ;) |
| 15:25.06 | passstab | lol thanks |
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| 15:25.28 | jpinx | ym :) |
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| 15:27.14 | nimbius | hi debian. know anywhere i can still get a lenny mirror? |
| 15:27.46 | jpinx | in the archives - can't remember the url offhand.... |
| 15:27.58 | jpinx | nimbius: ^^ |
| 15:28.13 | somiaj | nimbius: archive.debian.org (/msg dpkg lenny) |
| 15:28.44 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.48 | nimbius | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.49 | nimbius | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.04 | jpinx | !lenny |
| 15:29.05 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 15:29.27 | nimbius | thanks :) |
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| 15:31.40 | shomon | hi, how can I open a port in debian? sorry for the newb question... |
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| 15:32.50 | somiaj | shomon: by default debian doesn't have a firewall as there should only be services running on ports you install |
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| 15:34.21 | Delf | Everytime I reboot, eth0 is down but eth1 is up. How can I change this? I enable eth0 but after restart, eth0 is down again. |
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| 15:35.34 | somiaj | Delf: depends on what you use to bring up/down the interfaces, but unless you have network-manager installed check out /etc/network/interfaces and 'man 5 interfaces' |
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| 15:35.56 | Delf | somiaj: I'm using the network manager in tray? |
| 15:36.21 | somiaj | then configure network manager correctly and note that its settings don't take effect until you login to gnome (or what ever wm) and it loads |
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| 15:37.40 | Delf | I'm using firestarter and it cannot start because one of the eths is down. Don't want to login to gnome everytime :( |
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| 15:40.57 | prsn | can someone walk me through backporting libboost1.49-dev? /msg judd checkbackport indicates that it should work |
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| 15:42.18 | jpinx | prsn: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 15:44.37 | DammitJim | I recently upgraded from unison 2.32 to 2.40 |
| 15:44.43 | DammitJim | how can I go back to 2.32 on my wheezy box? |
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| 15:44.58 | DammitJim | I'm trying to sync with a server running 2.32 and it doesn't like the fact that my client is on 2.4 |
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| 15:47.12 | jordanm | !tell DammitJim about downgrade |
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| 15:48.49 | DammitJim | thanks jordanm I got it |
| 15:48.49 | DammitJim | after doing it, unison is still complaining... weird |
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| 15:50.41 | prsn | okay, I have backports in my sources, I see that on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libboost that libboost-all-dec is in sid, but when I sudo aptitude -t squeeze-backports install "libboost-all-dev" it just says no packages will be installed |
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| 15:55.12 | Dev0n | when editing interfaces and you have something like eth0:1 eth0:2 etc, do they inherit things from eth0 and anything defined by children overrides them ? |
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| 15:56.31 | Amnesia | question, when will debian fix openssl..? |
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| 15:56.38 | Amnesia | CVE-2012-2110 <- that vulnerability |
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| 15:58.30 | shomon | somiaj, thanks... I guess I would like to know how to tell what ports are open and maybe what firewall is running |
| 15:58.44 | prsn | can anyone help me with this backport? |
| 15:59.10 | prsn | As far as I can tell I've followed the instructions, and the package should exist |
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| 16:04.47 | unixabg | Arafangion: ok thanks. I was curious of packages in stock debian that might exist that can do the audio. again thanks. |
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| 16:05.15 | ChibaPet | prsn: Not everything in Sid exists in Backports. |
| 16:05.33 | ChibaPet | I'd suggest using packages.debian.org to search. |
| 16:05.49 | prsn | wait i thought i was searching backports |
| 16:06.00 | prsn | i clicked 'packages' from backports.debian.org |
| 16:06.00 | ChibaPet | A way to find your way to the right place is to go to backports.debian.org and click "packages" in the left column. |
| 16:06.11 | prsn | ... :P |
| 16:06.17 | ChibaPet | That, yes. |
| 16:06.23 | prsn | as i pasted above |
| 16:06.25 | ChibaPet | So, I go in there and search for "boost" and nothing turns up. |
| 16:06.29 | prsn | i see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libboost |
| 16:06.45 | prsn | and that shows libboost-all-dev in sid |
| 16:06.55 | ChibaPet | I thought you were asking about backports, not Sid. |
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| 16:07.10 | prsn | I am, and I thought that i was searching backports |
| 16:07.18 | ChibaPet | Now you know better. :) |
| 16:07.19 | prsn | since i clicked packages from backports.debian.org |
| 16:07.35 | ChibaPet | Try this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=boost&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
| 16:07.59 | prsn | ok, but i already know it's not there i guess |
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| 16:08.11 | prsn | I also tried to follow the instructions for making the debs myself |
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| 16:08.17 | prsn | which I also couldn't get to work |
| 16:08.31 | ChibaPet | Which instructions, prithee? |
| 16:08.41 | prsn | the ones from /msg dpkg backports |
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| 16:09.20 | prsn | in particular <simple sid backport> |
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| 16:09.50 | sorrymyeng | hi everybody, help me please: http://paste.kde.org/459986/ |
| 16:09.52 | ChibaPet | Hm, I tend to not do it that way, but that seems reasonable. |
| 16:09.55 | prsn | I guess the part I'm not positive about is step 2 about enabling backports |
| 16:10.19 | prsn | the link to more detail doesn't actually have any more detail, but i thought i had done this in the past |
| 16:10.25 | prsn | so maybe i'm missing something there |
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| 16:10.28 | ChibaPet | prsn: I suspect that's to get some build infrastructure in place that you might want. I tend to just grab the source package and see if it'll build, after apt-get build-dep the-thing |
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| 16:10.43 | prsn | build-dep didn't do anything, is the problem :/ |
| 16:10.44 | SuperNull | hey guys if i do a vmstat 1 10 .. and it constantly shows 1000ish io:bo .. is this a good indicator the drive cant take the load ? |
| 16:10.54 | ChibaPet | Sometimes there won't be equivalent packages handy, but oftentimes you can get away with it. |
| 16:11.12 | ChibaPet | build-dep not doing anything suggests that you have all the packages requires to build the package you want |
| 16:11.23 | ChibaPet | so, what happens when you say apt-get -b source libboost ? |
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| 16:12.06 | prsn | E: Unable to find a source package for libboost1.49-dev |
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| 16:13.20 | ChibaPet | Also, do you have deb-src (your-favourite-mirror)/debian/ wheezy main in your sources.list? |
| 16:13.35 | ChibaPet | (or sid) |
| 16:13.52 | prsn | yes |
| 16:13.58 | prsn | sid |
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| 16:14.22 | prsn | or |
| 16:14.23 | prsn | hmm |
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| 16:14.31 | prsn | maybe i only have the backports source |
| 16:14.37 | prsn | and I thought that was what i needed |
| 16:14.49 | ChibaPet | It would be if what you wanted existed in backports. |
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| 16:15.06 | prsn | what line do I actually want? |
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| 16:15.22 | ChibaPet | substitute the mirror of your choice in the sample line I gave |
| 16:15.44 | ChibaPet | you want sources from "something newer" since that's where the version you need exists |
| 16:16.11 | robin_debspace | Hi all… I've got a little problem here: I'm running a server with Debian Squeeze and would like to use it as a proxy, but only for myself to access the internet through my network when travelling... |
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| 16:16.36 | robin_debspace | As it's running Apache, I configured mod_proxy to deny all connections except those originating from localhost... |
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| 16:17.07 | robin_debspace | Now, I hoped that if I set up an SSH tunnel and used this to access the proxy, Apache would see this as originating from localhost but this isn't the case... |
| 16:17.14 | robin_debspace | Is there any way I could do this? |
| 16:17.16 | ChibaPet | robin_debspace: Unless you want to be running a web server, I'd maybe suggest connecting to a local squid over ssh and not using apache. |
| 16:18.06 | robin_debspace | ChibaPet yes yes, I want to run Apache, and it's already working as a web server... |
| 16:18.22 | ChibaPet | In fact, I'd set up a Squid regardless, for that purpose. |
| 16:18.26 | robin_debspace | I was hoping to get around the need to use Squid, as I think it may be too complex for my purposes... |
| 16:18.28 | ChibaPet | Even if there's already Apache there. |
| 16:18.34 | ChibaPet | But Apache isn't? :) |
| 16:18.56 | ChibaPet | I tend to think Apache can be a tangle, whereas Squid's fairly straightforward. |
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| 16:19.53 | robin_debspace | Haha… Really? For me it's pretty much the other way round - but true, Apache can be a pain in the ass sometimes xD |
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| 16:21.00 | robin_debspace | And well, using Apache proxying over SSH would give me something fairly easy to implement and easy to setup security over SSH... |
| 16:21.26 | hanasaki | is there a repository that has apache cassandra? |
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| 16:22.04 | hanasaki | http://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/DebianPackaging from debian instead of the preceding |
| 16:22.09 | sorrymyeng | how to access local directory from remote server?! there are full internets of how to do it vice-versa only! |
| 16:22.35 | ChibaPet | sorrymyeng: sshfs |
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| 16:23.28 | ChibaPet | sorrymyeng: http://www.unix-tutorials.com/go.php?id=6678 |
| 16:23.31 | sorrymyeng | ChibaPet: yes, but only for vice-versa way exactly |
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| 16:24.16 | ChibaPet | sorrymyeng: It should work from either side. |
| 16:24.28 | sorrymyeng | ChibaPet: i told you, not remote->local, but local->remote |
| 16:24.41 | sorrymyeng | ChibaPet: it dont |
| 16:25.01 | ChibaPet | Ah, sorry, I must be confused then. Perhaps someone else can help you. |
| 16:25.49 | sorrymyeng | ChibaPet: it doesnt*. local machine have no adress in internet, as it is suggested in your example |
| 16:26.01 | cardamon | Anyone got suggestion for reading .cbr? |
| 16:26.35 | ChibaPet | sorrymyeng: So, in that case, something you can do is to ssh to the remote machine passing a remote port back to your local machine. |
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| 16:26.52 | ChibaPet | Then you don't need your local machine to have any sort of sane accessible address. |
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| 16:27.58 | ChibaPet | You can, if needed, bridge connections from two sides that are obscured in this way, if you have a central point that is accessible. But be aware of the trust implications here. |
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| 16:29.04 | karlpinc | sorrymyeng: If you want something more featureful than ssh, like having the local box retry when the connection is broken, you can use a full-fledged vpn like openvpn to maintain the connection between the 2 boxes. But ssh is quick and easy. |
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| 16:30.21 | sorrymyeng | ChibaPet: feww found it, thanks http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=SshfsFaq#Is_there_some_neat_way_to_do_it_in_reverse.3F |
| 16:30.49 | karlpinc | sorrymyeng: ( ChibaPet is suggesting you use -R with ssh instead of -L.) |
| 16:32.05 | ChibaPet | Yes, that. |
| 16:32.33 | sorrymyeng | thank you guys!:) |
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| 16:33.16 | sorrymyeng | that is my bad that i have no patience to read manuals carefully |
| 16:33.50 | cardamon | sorrymyeng: And that is why you fail. |
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| 16:34.17 | cardamon | sorrymyeng: Granted, if you'd read the manual, you might have failed anyway because it was badly written. |
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| 16:34.34 | ChibaPet | cardamon: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+cbr |
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| 16:35.08 | cardamon | ChibaPet: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+suggestion |
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| 16:36.26 | somiaj | shomon: by default there is no firewall running, and the ports that are open are only the ports you have installed a server for. Though you could use things like netstat -a if you wanted to. |
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| 16:36.59 | somiaj | Delf: maybe don't use network manager and configure your network properly. I would suggest learning about the debian interfaces file |
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| 16:37.23 | Delf | somiaj: are you referring to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:38.23 | karlpinc | Delf: Yes. |
| 16:38.24 | somiaj | Delf: man 5 interfaces, and yes |
| 16:38.36 | Delf | somiaj: Yes, thank you. I did set it up. |
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| 16:40.07 | somiaj | by default network-manager will ignore any interfaces configured with the interfaces file, though even with wireless I prefer using the interfaces file over network-manager |
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| 16:41.08 | ChibaPet | Network Manager does more work for you than the interfaces file, especially with regard to wireless scanning, but it brings with it a bunch of infrastructure that I dislike. |
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| 16:42.09 | ChibaPet | I'm starting to prefer it by hand, in direct correspondence with the degree to which my scanning wrapper script completes and gains features. |
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| 16:43.08 | somiaj | ChibaPet: iwlist wlan0 scan -- yes it does more work than is needed constanlly running in the background doing work |
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| 16:43.55 | Delf | somiaj: You prefer the interface file because it gets things done before daemons starts? |
| 16:43.58 | ChibaPet | iwlist wlan0 scan drowns you in data. :P But yes, unwanted work in the background is the cost of the nice, up to date list of available networks it gives you. |
| 16:44.42 | ChibaPet | I'll share (and possibly even package) my wrapper script at some point. Orders nodes by signal strength, makes the output terser, etc. |
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| 16:45.02 | somiaj | Delf: I prefer it because I don't have some damn daemon running in the background. The interface file is simple and it is easy to bring my network up on any known network |
| 16:45.31 | somiaj | yea I'm not a wirless romer, my wireless card sucks for that in the first place. |
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| 16:45.50 | sorrymyeng | it doesnt work:( http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=SshfsFaq#Is_there_some_neat_way_to_do_it_in_reverse.3F http://paste.kde.org/460058/ |
| 16:46.20 | ChibaPet | sorrymyeng: Start by getting command of ssh and port handling, and then worry about sharing your filesystem. |
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| 16:47.15 | ChibaPet | Pay attention to -L and -R in the manual, and see if you can get them to open ports for you. Point them at things that will answer so you have some positive feedback. Install and look at netcat as a useful tool to help set up test situations. |
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| 16:47.52 | sorrymyeng | ChibaPet: dont exactly shure what you mean, but ssh is working: as you can see in paste - i connected to the server |
| 16:48.21 | ChibaPet | sorrymyeng: What you want to do ends up being quite a bit of fun. But I'm not talking about a plan SSH connection, I'm talking about mastering the port forwarding you'll need to do to do what you want. |
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| 16:51.27 | calamari | I'm attempting to package a kernel module. Is there a suggested naming convention for kernel module packages? |
| 16:52.01 | somiaj | calamari: is this for local use on your machine? |
| 16:52.18 | calamari | somiaj: I don't understand the question |
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| 16:52.48 | somiaj | calamari: What is the use of this module package you are making? |
| 16:52.49 | calamari | somiaj: it will be used by other people too |
| 16:53.04 | calamari | somiaj: hardware support |
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| 16:54.29 | somiaj | calamari: Will the others be running the same kernel as you compiled the module for? I think the convention in such a case is modulename-`uname -r` or modulename-kernel-`uname -r` |
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| 16:54.38 | calamari | hmm I'm seeing quite a few packages with a trailing -dkms. I might look into that |
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| 16:55.21 | somiaj | the dkms is a framework that means you distribute the source for the kernel module, and if the linux-headers are installed it will compiled the module for that kernel |
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| 16:55.35 | somiaj | (well source + any binary blobs) |
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| 16:55.51 | calamari | cool, that's what I'm hoping for (compile on install) |
| 16:56.18 | calamari | looks like that is the answer then. I will read up on how to make a dkms package. thanks! |
| 16:56.27 | somiaj | yea dkms is the new framework that will automtically do this whenever the package is installed or a new kernel is installed and upgraded |
| 16:56.42 | somiaj | (the older method was to use module-assistant, but I don't think many use that any more) |
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| 17:14.53 | tharkun | I've been struggling to backport cups from sid into squeeze. I am conscious I am in need of some black magic. Where can i get a lead on what to search on google to achieve this goal? |
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| 17:16.42 | somiaj | ,check-backport cups |
| 17:16.48 | judd | Backporting package cups in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.93~), ghostscript (>= 9.02~). |
| 17:17.02 | somiaj | tharkun: you'll fist have to backport cdbs and ghostscript |
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| 17:17.05 | jazzanova | i have compiled a deb package and installed the kernel. but before reboot i want to tell grub to have a fallback, so that I can only try to boot the new kernel once. is there teh proper way to do this on debian ? |
| 17:17.14 | somiaj | tharkun: /msg judd check-backport cdbs |
| 17:17.25 | somiaj | tharkun: then do the same for ghostscript and track down until you backport all the build depends |
| 17:17.43 | somiaj | tharkun: (or modify the debian/rules script if you think you can force it to depend on the versions in squeeze) |
| 17:18.21 | somiaj | wow cups uses the cdbs, thought that was depricated, suprised to see an offical package depend on it |
| 17:18.43 | somiaj | jazzanova: do you have other kenrels installed |
| 17:18.49 | jazzanova | somiaj: yes |
| 17:18.52 | somiaj | jazzanova: by default grub will generate an entry for every kernel in /boot |
| 17:19.07 | tharkun | somiaj: i told you :) Some blackmagic is definetely required |
| 17:19.13 | somiaj | jazzanova: you should be fine, but you can check the file /boot/grub/menu.cfg (or something like that) |
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| 17:19.15 | jazzanova | i know that, but this is a remote box, and I want to test bootin a new kernel. |
| 17:19.27 | themill | somiaj: there's nothing more official about cups than any other package; cdbs isn't really deprecated, it's just a pita that many wish would go away |
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| 17:19.59 | jazzanova | somiaj: if it fails to boot, I will just ask the admin of the hosting compnay to reboot and it would back into the old one. |
| 17:20.31 | somiaj | jazzanova: I belive (I don't have experience with this) but you will want to set your known good kernel as the default kernel option |
| 17:20.45 | jazzanova | ok |
| 17:20.53 | somiaj | jazzanova: not sure how to do this since by default grub just does it by version numbers. After that there is a way to tell grub that on the next boot choose this option |
| 17:21.15 | jazzanova | ok, i was wondering if anyone has done it so that I can follow a howto |
| 17:21.44 | somiaj | themill: ahh I thought now that dh7 contained all the abilty to do simple debian/rules scripts it replaced the need for cdbs. |
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| 17:22.13 | themill | somiaj: oh, it has. That doesn't mean that people prefer their black magic made of makefiles rather than made of perl |
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| 17:23.35 | somiaj | yea people don't like to change, if the black magick works, so be it. |
| 17:24.58 | somiaj | tharkun: well hopefully that points you in the right direction to get the black magick working...chicken on your computer may help. |
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| 17:29.29 | bobweaver | Hello I am back with such Great news. so after installing 1 repos are all messed up I go to the dang wiki and guess What THERE is NO links to debians repos just tell how they work which I know I just wanted the links. Oh and there is also another great thing grub is not seeing my other partitions fdisk -l works great but update-grub still finds only debian what up with that ? |
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| 17:30.16 | tharkun | somiaj, themill: thanks for the pointing in the right direction. I hope this ends up well :) |
| 17:30.17 | bobweaver | had to go to 3rd party site to even get repo link |
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| 17:30.37 | bobweaver | where do bugs get filed |
| 17:31.24 | themill | bobweaver: if the installer doesn't have network access or you chose not to configure apt at install time, then your sources.list is not populated. |
| 17:31.32 | somiaj | bobweaver: http://www.debian.org/mirror/index.en.html -- is that what you were wanting? |
| 17:32.01 | themill | bobweaver: you probably need to install the "os-prober" package |
| 17:32.08 | bobweaver | gezz would be cool if there was like a big thing that was like look here |
| 17:32.14 | bobweaver | themill thansk |
| 17:32.18 | bobweaver | thanks * |
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| 17:32.52 | prsn | How do I tell dpkg -i to replace an older version of something? |
| 17:33.00 | bobweaver | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:33.17 | bobweaver | prsn does it own its own |
| 17:33.32 | prsn | I'm on squeeze, I have libboost1.42 installed, i just built the .debs for 1.49 from sid, but when i dpkg -i them it says they conflict with 1.42 |
| 17:33.54 | themill | prsn: that's not going to end well |
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| 17:34.10 | bobweaver | find old .deb dpkg -r <old deb> |
| 17:34.13 | bobweaver | then update |
| 17:34.18 | prsn | themill: well, I'm following the advice of someone in this channel.. |
| 17:34.22 | bobweaver | what kinda package is not in the same name |
| 17:34.35 | bobweaver | I would look at control file under /debian for that one |
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| 17:34.53 | prsn | themill: why do you say that, and what would you recommend? |
| 17:34.54 | bobweaver | they should see each other and just update |
| 17:35.01 | themill | prsn: then that would be extremely bad advice, or you have misunderstood what they say |
| 17:35.11 | bobweaver | well you can remove the old one with dpkg |
| 17:35.23 | themill | prsn: mixing releases is an incredibly bad plan and doing so with boost is even worse. |
| 17:35.38 | bobweaver | then just install the new one But still should update on its own |
| 17:35.56 | bobweaver | where is the new maintianers guide |
| 17:35.57 | prsn | themill: what should I do then? |
| 17:36.04 | themill | prsn: what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 17:36.05 | bobweaver | Oh and os-prober is installed |
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| 17:36.26 | bobweaver | has been thisle time who |
| 17:36.31 | prsn | themill: boost 1.42 won't build with gcc 4.7, which is required for the package I'm *actually* trying to build |
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| 17:36.42 | prsn | themill: (and it also requires boost, of course0 |
| 17:36.43 | prsn | ) |
| 17:36.47 | themill | prsn: gcc 4.7 also isn't in squeeze... |
| 17:36.48 | bobweaver | damit I have to play with my touchpad |
| 17:36.53 | prsn | themill: yes, I know |
| 17:36.55 | BigTuna- | when one of my users login I want to run a java program that takes input. Proper way to do that to add a line to my .profile ? |
| 17:36.58 | prsn | themill: I've just painstakingly set it up |
| 17:37.03 | prsn | themill: over the last day or so |
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| 17:38.54 | bobweaver | This is NUTS one link needs to the next and then to the next and I have spent a hr looking for one flippin line to insert into /etc/apt/source.list |
| 17:39.17 | chalcedony` | bobweaver, *sigh* some days are like that |
| 17:39.46 | bobweaver | who is in charge of the wiki some dude on lsd |
| 17:40.29 | themill | bobweaver: umm... you're making even less sense than the wiki. Also, it's a wiki.. you can edit it yourself. |
| 17:40.39 | bobweaver | check out this cool mirror here http://backports-master.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
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| 17:41.06 | bobweaver | from http://backports-master.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 17:41.08 | BigTuna- | seems to be working. How can make my java program restart automatically if it crashes? |
| 17:41.14 | themill | bobweaver: that's not actually a list of debian mirrors... |
| 17:41.27 | bobweaver | I know it is the backports |
| 17:41.37 | prsn | themill: you seem to have some knowledge that the way I'm going about this is wrong, can you help me find the right way? |
| 17:41.45 | pozic | BigTuna-: please just fix the program itself. |
| 17:41.51 | bobweaver | Wherre is THE LIST |
| 17:41.53 | bobweaver | lol |
| 17:42.00 | BigTuna- | i did that but just in case for some reason it stopped |
| 17:42.04 | bobweaver | sorry about caps did not mean it |
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| 17:42.23 | pozic | BigTuna-: programs don't stop for some reason. |
| 17:42.30 | BigTuna- | fair enough |
| 17:42.34 | themill | bobweaver: didn't somiaj give you that over 10 min ago? |
| 17:42.36 | bobweaver | BigTuing na cron that crap or someth |
| 17:42.48 | bobweaver | arghh touchpad |
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| 17:43.03 | pozic | BigTuna-: by that I mean that I haven't ever observed a program crashing because it wasn't a programmer error. |
| 17:43.07 | bobweaver | Yeah it is cool leads me to dead ends |
| 17:43.09 | pozic | BigTuna-: in theory, it is possible. |
| 17:43.12 | bobweaver | I love 404 |
| 17:43.15 | bobweaver | :) |
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| 17:43.31 | themill | dpkg: tell bobweaver about make squeeze sources.list |
| 17:43.40 | BigTuna- | i'll have cron check it to be safe… wasn't sure if there was another way people do it |
| 17:43.49 | pozic | BigTuna-: but assuming your code is already completely bug free, there is cron, or you can write a kernel module. |
| 17:43.52 | bobweaver | while loop that reads pid |
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| 17:44.02 | bobweaver | from ps ? |
| 17:44.05 | themill | prsn: if it's sensible to run wheezy instead of squeeze, then that would be the path of least resistance here. Otherwise, try working in a wheezy chroot instead of bastardising squeeze like this. |
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| 17:45.21 | pozic | themill: it's not possible to get 3d hardware accelleration in a chroot, is it? |
| 17:45.46 | prsn | themill: I have no idea how to do that and have invested many hours into getting 4.7 working. Do you really think it is impossible for me to get this to work? |
| 17:46.06 | themill | pozic: should be possible |
| 17:46.07 | pozic | themill: e.g. run Squeeze under Alt-F8, and Wheeze under Alt-F9. |
| 17:46.09 | prsn | themill: if so, how do i set up a wheezy chroot? |
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| 17:46.17 | pozic | Wheezy |
| 17:46.21 | themill | prsn: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:46.45 | bobweaver | love the bot 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80] |
| 17:47.02 | pozic | themill: but the Wheezy and Squeeze kernel are different. |
| 17:47.03 | prsn | themill: but, seriously, is that what I should be doing? It sounds like a huge amount of work when I'm already so close |
| 17:47.12 | pozic | themill: how exactly do you see that working? |
| 17:47.20 | bobweaver | gezzz /E: Some index files failed to download, |
| 17:47.23 | pozic | prsn: what error do you get? |
| 17:47.36 | pozic | prsn: I agree it's an extreme pain. |
| 17:47.39 | themill | bobweaver: that's the most useless error you could provide us with |
| 17:47.45 | themill | pozic: what's the kernel got to do with this? |
| 17:47.49 | prsn | pozic: right now libboost1.49 conflicts with 1.42 |
| 17:47.53 | pozic | themill: _graphics_ drivers. |
| 17:48.08 | prsn | pozic: but I'm not positive 1.49 will solve my problem |
| 17:48.09 | themill | pozic: so? |
| 17:48.11 | bobweaver | yeah its what I got |
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| 17:48.22 | pozic | themill: so, Squueze wants different drivers than Wheezy. |
| 17:48.29 | pozic | Squeeze |
| 17:48.38 | themill | pozic: how do you think the backports kernel works? |
| 17:48.38 | bobweaver | so I took out the source d now no error so that is the one that is erroring out |
| 17:48.54 | bobweaver | I like apt-get source thou |
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| 17:49.09 | pozic | themill: there must be some ABI at some point. |
| 17:49.13 | themill | bobweaver: please put the full command you gave and the complete output of it in a pastebin |
| 17:49.17 | themill | pozic: not reall |
| 17:49.18 | themill | y |
| 17:49.26 | prsn | pozic: the really weird thing is that i ran aptitude remove on 1.42 |
| 17:49.32 | prsn | pozic: and it says it is gone |
| 17:49.36 | pozic | themill: ok, then I will just say I don't know. Here is your chance to explain it. |
| 17:49.46 | prsn | pozic: but dpkg -i still says it is there and conflicts |
| 17:49.59 | pozic | prsn: why don't you just get boost from source? |
| 17:50.08 | pozic | prsn: basically ignore whatever Debian has to offer here. |
| 17:50.16 | prsn | I thought I did.. |
| 17:50.18 | prsn | or |
| 17:50.27 | pozic | prsn: I mean real source, not deb-src. |
| 17:50.34 | prsn | I was trying to follow /msg dpkg's instructions for backporting |
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| 17:50.49 | prsn | at someone else's suggestion here earlier |
| 17:50.51 | pozic | prsn: that usually leads to misery unless you are very familiar with it. |
| 17:51.00 | Amnesia | question, I changed my PS1 in /etc/bash.bashrc as well as in /etc/profile |
| 17:51.05 | Amnesia | but none of it has effect |
| 17:51.17 | Amnesia | I don't feel like setting it in .bashrc.. ( which works ) |
| 17:51.18 | prsn | well.. maybe people here should stop immediately pointing newbies to that path then :/ |
| 17:51.32 | pozic | prsn: lots of people don't know anything here. |
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| 17:51.48 | themill | prsn: that simple backport works fine for most things -- it's not going to go nicely with core libraries like boost. |
| 17:51.57 | prsn | i see |
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| 17:52.14 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 17:52.17 | pozic | themill: please explain how Squeeze + Wheezy can be setup in detail to show two different high-performance applications running in each system. |
| 17:52.34 | pozic | themill: because, that requires two x servers and AFAIK, that's impossible. |
| 17:52.37 | prsn | so, I should just download boost source myself? I'm scared building that will be a whole new hassl |
| 17:52.40 | prsn | e |
| 17:52.43 | themill | pozic: why does it need two x servers? |
| 17:53.03 | aboudreault | Hi, what is the new sources of a emdebian ? looks like buildd.emdebian.org is not good anymore |
| 17:53.20 | pozic | themill: presumably Squeeze X and Wheezy X are not the same program? |
| 17:53.59 | themill | pozic: you can display programs running in your wheezy chroot on your squeeze host's x server |
| 17:54.23 | bobweaver | check out this cool error http://paste.debian.net/163836/ |
| 17:54.23 | themill | pozic: schroot's "desktop" flavour of chroot makes this very easy for you btw |
| 17:54.35 | judgen | i have such an lovely desktop now =D |
| 17:54.36 | judgen | http://tinyurl.com/skarmbildenmin |
| 17:54.52 | judgen | so functional and beautiful |
| 17:54.58 | bobweaver | as you can see there are 3 os and only 2 in grub |
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| 17:56.10 | pozic | themill: you only change the user land and you keep the graphics driver and other kernel services from wheezy? |
| 17:56.15 | prsn | if I do install boost myself, how do I make sure it gets used instead of the version aptitude already installed? |
| 17:56.31 | pozic | prsn: these are basic questions. |
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| 17:56.46 | pozic | prsn: how old are you? |
| 17:56.53 | sorrymyeng | hi again, look at this please: http://paste.kde.org/460136/ |
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| 17:57.34 | prsn | pozic: I don't really see how age is relevant. Experience with specific linux processes does not scale linearly with age... |
| 17:57.45 | bobweaver | +1 |
| 17:57.50 | pozic | prsn: it is not specific to Linux. |
| 17:58.03 | pozic | prsn: it works that way on all POSIX systems. |
| 17:58.09 | prsn | *facepalm* |
| 17:58.25 | pozic | prsn: what did I say? |
| 17:58.31 | prsn | experience with ANY TECHNICAL DISCIPLINE does not scale linearly with age |
| 17:58.57 | bobweaver | !3.2.X >bobweaver |
| 17:58.59 | pozic | prsn: ok, so you are too afraid to share your age. That's ok. |
| 17:59.12 | klync | pozic: a/s/l isn't really fodder for #debian nor is calling people names |
| 17:59.22 | prsn | pozic: you were being helpful, and now you are being a bully |
| 17:59.23 | bobweaver | dpkg tell bobweaver about linux-image |
| 17:59.24 | pozic | prsn: anyway, the advice is the same. Read a few books on how it is supposed to work. |
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| 17:59.57 | pozic | prsn: everybody else also had to do that. That said, reading the FAQ for boost might also explain a few things. |
| 18:00.11 | pozic | prsn: building boost is not a difficult task. |
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| 18:00.31 | DammitJim | l |
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| 18:00.32 | pozic | prsn: go to #boost for specific issues if you have tried it. |
| 18:00.57 | pozic | klync: you are an inventive little person. |
| 18:01.11 | pozic | klync: you listed 4 things of which only one applies. |
| 18:01.18 | bobweaver | dpkg tell bobweaver about bleeding-edge |
| 18:01.24 | bobweaver | dpkg tell bobweaver about bleeding edge |
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| 18:01.38 | dioz | breeding edge? |
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| 18:01.39 | bobweaver | you have to be kidding me |
| 18:01.44 | dioz | isn't that when stuff is mainly broken |
| 18:01.57 | dioz | the company i work for is bleeding edge |
| 18:01.58 | bobweaver | yeah like if you want to help build things |
| 18:02.01 | dioz | pretty much everything is broken |
| 18:02.05 | pozic | dioz: ^^ |
| 18:02.12 | bobweaver | dpkg is suprer sexist |
| 18:02.13 | dpkg | bobweaver: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 18:02.18 | Marchitos | i have a debian 5.0 installed with grub timeout set to 0. Is that normal that keyboard does not stop grub booting? |
| 18:02.28 | dioz | "we don't always test our code but when we do it's in production" |
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| 18:02.45 | pozic | dioz: that's the way all companies do it. |
| 18:02.52 | themill | bobweaver: please /msg dpkg; it doesn't respond to random jibberish though, it has predefined keywords |
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| 18:03.00 | pozic | dioz: just like when they transport oil or toxic chemicals. |
| 18:03.03 | klync | dioz: i hear ya.... take a deep breath and remember that it keeps you employed :P |
| 18:03.04 | dioz | okay brb |
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| 18:03.48 | pozic | Single hull ships can cause massive environmental damage? Oh, well, but they are much cheaper. YADA YADA YADA. Did you say something? |
| 18:03.56 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:06.23 | bobweaver | ahh thanks I was going to say that I like gregs wiki alot better then that one |
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| 18:06.39 | bobweaver | lets see |
| 18:06.48 | bobweaver | dpkg tell bobweaver about backports |
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| 18:08.12 | chalcedony | i have 3 internal hard drives, the one i'm on, a 500 Gb, and a 2Tb the 2Tb is new, unformatted, i can't get it to see it. |
| 18:09.06 | bobweaver | Does debian version of grub Not see Ubuntu ? |
| 18:09.11 | bobweaver | simple question |
| 18:09.23 | bobweaver | sees doz |
| 18:09.49 | \marco | hi all |
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| 18:10.30 | chalcedony | bobweaver, hopefully i'm on debian squeeze |
| 18:10.32 | \marco | I've a strange problem with NetworkManger on my Debian testing, offers only WEP as auth |
| 18:10.41 | Boohbah | chalcedony: so fdisk (cfdisk) the new drive and make some partitions, then format it |
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| 18:10.56 | chalcedony | Boohbah, it can't see it to do it? |
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| 18:11.00 | bobweaver | do you have wpa suplication installed |
| 18:11.05 | \marco | yep |
| 18:11.09 | bobweaver | if you all even have that |
| 18:11.17 | \marco | it was working until 30minute ago |
| 18:11.29 | bobweaver | what is card ? and are mods loaded ? |
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| 18:11.45 | bobweaver | rfkill list all <~~ anything blocking it ? |
| 18:11.48 | \marco | the card is an intel wireless ( mod ipw2200 ) loaded |
| 18:12.09 | bobweaver | any errors in dmesg ? |
| 18:12.11 | \marco | card is working, only the auth not |
| 18:12.32 | \marco | there's something with NM, one sec |
| 18:12.39 | kevlarman | \marco: does the card support WPA? |
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| 18:12.42 | kevlarman | mine didn't |
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| 18:13.01 | \marco | kevlarman: yep, since 30m ago |
| 18:13.08 | \marco | until |
| 18:13.41 | Boohbah | chalcedony: sudo fdisk -l |
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| 18:14.34 | \marco | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.40 | \marco | from daemons.log |
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| 18:15.07 | chalcedony | Boohbah, thanks moment phone |
| 18:15.08 | bobweaver | some more cool stuff http://paste.debian.net/163837/ |
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| 18:15.38 | \marco | any idea? |
| 18:15.58 | bobweaver | apt-get -f install get me no where quick |
| 18:16.03 | marcm | how can I replace GRUB2 with GRUB1 in Debian 6? I am trying to make a KVM template. |
| 18:16.29 | \marco | http://paste.debian.net/163838 <------ $ iwlist wlan0 auth |
| 18:17.01 | Woet | what would cause disk IO in a KVM vps to be ~ 30 mb/s but the host easily hitting ~ 200 mb/s? |
| 18:17.04 | \marco | the card support WPA |
| 18:18.37 | bobweaver | this is bull you know for all the people with there nose in the air that call other distro names and just love to talk. this is nuts I have installed gentoo and it is easier I thought that that was harder ? I thought that debian was like the ohh lay lay of the OS would for devoloping .debs On I guess I was wrong |
| 18:19.09 | bobweaver | I see that it is the people with there nose in the air that have not seen any of the stuff comming out around them must be sad to be stuck in the past |
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| 18:19.47 | \marco_ | re |
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| 18:20.26 | tremon | marcm: you want grub-legacy |
| 18:20.30 | bobweaver | this is nothing but a mock I mean sudo is installed there is no user under it out of the box what is the point in that |
| 18:20.44 | bobweaver | and you all call other os bloated |
| 18:21.28 | bobweaver | programs with no reason to be installed I can see things being installed but why have things that are installed that are not in use ? |
| 18:21.44 | bobweaver | flippin touch pad keeps skipping lines |
| 18:21.47 | marcm | tremon I know, I would like to do a fresh install of Debian 6 using the Debian 6 ISO in my KVM virtual machine, and I'd like to install grub-legacy instead of GRUB2, because only grub-legacy will work for a template. I have found out that GRUB2 won't boot of the template. |
| 18:21.57 | \marco | any other reason for having only WEP with NetworkManager |
| 18:22.14 | bobweaver | debian has something wrong with there grub |
| 18:22.24 | bobweaver | dosent see all os |
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| 18:22.43 | bobweaver | there is something funny going on around here |
| 18:22.47 | tremon | marcm: enable expert options, select "no bootloader" (iirc) |
| 18:22.51 | marcm | bobweaver well, I know :) but I also know that grub-legacy will work. I did a template for CentOS 6.2 |
| 18:22.59 | dvs | bobweaver: apt-get install os-prober |
| 18:23.18 | marcm | tremon do I select that during the install? |
| 18:23.29 | bobweaver | it is installed |
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| 18:24.05 | marcm | bobweaver tremon - the way I make templates is pretty crude. I do a dd after the install to an img file. so far it's the only way to do it for KVM |
| 18:24.07 | tremon | marcm: yes. don't know the exact phrasing, but you need to lower debconf priority |
| 18:24.33 | tremon | marcm: loop and debootstrap? |
| 18:24.46 | bobweaver | I can just image kvm or xen on this |
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| 18:25.19 | marcm | bobweaver I did a Xen PV template for Debian 6, that was easy, because Xen PV uses PyGrub |
| 18:25.29 | finnguy | hi. which do you recommend for regular home computer: stable or testing? |
| 18:25.46 | marcm | finnguy for a desktop? |
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| 18:25.49 | finnguy | yes |
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| 18:26.31 | bobweaver | here check this out grub is awesome http://paste.debian.net/163842/ |
| 18:26.36 | marcm | finnguy hard to tell, I'm not sure if I would install Debian on a desktop unless I would need stability and reliability over bleeding edge |
| 18:26.58 | bobweaver | stability are you kinding me |
| 18:27.18 | bobweaver | the thing has crashed to times now |
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| 18:27.22 | bobweaver | this is stable |
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| 18:27.35 | bobweaver | md5sums where great also btw |
| 18:27.36 | marcm | bobweaver might be a hw issue? |
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| 18:27.48 | bobweaver | this is a linux cert computer |
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| 18:28.03 | bobweaver | there is no propratry crap |
| 18:28.05 | marcm | bobweaver that paste doesn't work |
| 18:28.18 | bobweaver | of cource it dosent |
| 18:28.30 | marcm | bobweaver a CPU is proprietary for example |
| 18:28.58 | marcm | bobweaver so is the Human Brain... only God knows how it works exactly... |
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| 18:29.29 | bobweaver | just to prove I posted it there http://postimage.org/image/horf79whd/full/ |
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| 18:30.17 | marcm | bobweaver ah, multiboot with Windows |
| 18:30.30 | bobweaver | no there are three there |
| 18:30.37 | bobweaver | and only 2 are showing up |
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| 18:30.45 | bobweaver | I do asp work now and then |
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| 18:31.28 | bobweaver | hence windoz |
| 18:31.46 | bobweaver | this is a triple boot |
| 18:32.00 | bobweaver | fuck it I rub works will make ubuntu root there g |
| 18:32.08 | bobweaver | TOUCJ{AD |
| 18:32.19 | bobweaver | eff this Im out |
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| 18:36.10 | n1x | hello guys |
| 18:36.19 | n1x | i'm trying to install alsa on my squeeze and |
| 18:36.22 | Guest64922 | have problem |
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| 18:36.52 | Guest64922 | when i'm compiling alsa-utils , output is configure: error: required curses helper header not found |
| 18:37.00 | Guest64922 | any ideas? |
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| 18:39.46 | karlpinc | Guest64922: Install the package instead? |
| 18:39.52 | tremon | Guest64922: apt-cache search curses|grep -- -dev ? |
| 18:40.40 | Guest64922 | tremon: nothing.... |
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| 18:41.02 | Guest64922 | karlpinc: yes i'm installing from source |
| 18:41.10 | Guest64922 | compiled alsa-drivers and alsa-libs |
| 18:41.16 | Guest64922 | and cannt compile alsa-utils |
| 18:41.59 | Guest64922 | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory ,, when i'm opening alsamixer |
| 18:42.03 | nvz | maybe if you refrain from using the carriage return for punctuation, changing your nick in the middle of a question that spans multiple lines, and ask something on topic, you could get more help |
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| 18:42.54 | karlpinc | Guest64922: No. I'm asking _why_ you're installing from source when there's a package available? |
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| 18:45.27 | bobweaver | and with ubuntu http://postimage.org/image/bktjjbbqp/full/ |
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| 18:46.00 | wolfric | just going to throw this out there as ##c doesn't seem to know... does anyone happen to know why this will spike cpu http://pastebin.com/is8GZTWK |
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| 18:49.02 | bobweaver | funny how things work out like that makes me think that there is something in grub that 1 dosent let ubuntu come thou or 2) well part one and no documentation that I seen might have to spend 20 days looking for it |
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| 18:49.17 | bobweaver | where to file bugs |
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| 18:49.54 | bobweaver | let me guess there is nothing like launch pad for debian ? |
| 18:49.55 | peterrooney | wolfric: I think they know, but are not saying. It looks like a standard fork bomb to me. |
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| 18:50.04 | forgotten | www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 18:50.37 | bobweaver | thanks forgotten |
| 18:50.42 | tremon | wolfric: you're missing a wait() call? Hard to believe that would create an infinite loop, but this is not the right channel. Ask #glibc or #gcc ? |
| 18:50.47 | forgotten | bobweaver: ;-) np |
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| 18:51.18 | karlpinc | bobweaver: If there's anything different about the debian setup see the <readme.debian>. |
| 18:51.18 | bobweaver | dang it thou one link leads to the next that is going to put me in rabbit hole I have seen this before I am scared |
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| 18:51.23 | karlpinc | !tell bobweaver about readme.debian |
| 18:52.02 | forgotten | bobweaver: its bug reporting, not alice and wonderland. |
| 18:52.04 | karlpinc | bobweaver: The most important thing to know if you're new to linux is footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 18:52.18 | bobweaver | karlpinc, just to let you know I know how to and do not v.well but I make .deb packages |
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| 18:53.20 | bobweaver | I am head of this https://launchpad.net/zpanelcp also the new ubuntu wiki team I am also a member and do all the local stuff IE hours bug jams ect |
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| 18:53.36 | ania__ | hi |
| 18:53.38 | ania__ | all |
| 18:53.48 | bobweaver | that is why I am saying that it is important to me to figure this out it is my future we are talking about |
| 18:54.29 | jordanm | wolfric: probably because /bin/sh is constantly trying to read from a tty that doesn't exist |
| 18:54.32 | bobweaver | forgotten, have you ever filed a bug anywhere else It is real easy to do |
| 18:54.38 | ania__ | quick question i am on ubuntu for about 2 years now .....should i go for debian now? isnt it gonna be to hard....or outdated??? |
| 18:55.03 | bobweaver | ania__, you do not want to hear from me about that |
| 18:55.16 | karlpinc | bobweaver: Humm. Grub2 in general _seems_ overdesigned. But it's also dealing with PC hardware, which is designed-broken so what do I know. Too bad you have to figure it out. Some folks have abandoned grub2 and gone to syslinux, but that won't work for efi. |
| 18:55.20 | ania__ | why? |
| 18:55.35 | bobweaver | debian is cool but run in virtual box to test out or something like that first |
| 18:55.37 | ania__ | tell me what you think |
| 18:55.50 | karlpinc | !tell ania__ about hard to use |
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| 18:56.27 | sauvin | is in the process of wiping out windows 7 and installing debian in its place |
| 18:56.28 | bobweaver | I think that it is a great os |
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| 18:56.48 | ania__ | so its not worth of hassle? |
| 18:56.50 | klync | ania__: only you know what's best for you. i would *never* run ubuntu on a server; it's on my desktop at home right now bc my mobo needed non-free ethernet drivers and i was in a rush; i regret not taking the time and will switch it back to debian one of these days |
| 18:56.54 | bobweaver | ania__, why is the question from me to you |
| 18:57.59 | bobweaver | like I am using debian because ubuntu devs tell me that there is more options for dh_make and dpkg over all |
| 18:58.37 | ania__ | i just can swallow any more that "feature" like global menu or side bar |
| 18:58.58 | bobweaver | you have seen throw back correct ? |
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| 19:00.55 | forgotten | bobweaver: i've submitted a few in my time yes, and no not all easy, some are more of a pain than Debian. |
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| 19:07.09 | karlpinc | ania__: You can explore the bot's factoids for more info. Type stuff like "/msg dpkg overview" or "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" into your irc client. |
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| 19:07.57 | karlpinc | ania__: What I like about debian stable is that it does not change, except every few years. Then I can upgrade and go on. I like my computer to keep working. (See the <moving target> factoid.) |
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| 19:08.47 | karlpinc | !tell bobweaver about reportbug |
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| 19:12.28 | bobweaver | so you all have any clue what is going on in12.04 and the bugs ? something crashs and your launchpad account pops up asks if you want to file checks to see if is all ready there if so add that it is effecting you. if not there asks you to file a bug or you can quit. Are you all ever going to do anything like that ? |
| 19:12.35 | bobweaver | this is 2012 no 1994 |
| 19:12.45 | bobweaver | or 2001 |
| 19:13.28 | bobweaver | auto bug filing |
| 19:13.35 | karlpinc | bobweaver: That'll work great on an imbedded box with 64M of ram? I think not. |
| 19:13.53 | bobweaver | this is 2012 not 2001 |
| 19:14.07 | bobweaver | lol 64 mb of ram you are funny |
| 19:14.13 | karlpinc | bobweaver: Yup. And some of us still don't run X. |
| 19:14.45 | karlpinc | bobweaver: There's probably a way to submit a bug report on-line. Dunno. Did you check? |
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| 19:15.00 | bobweaver | yeah I am on my 5th page of reading |
| 19:15.50 | Yerodin | I have a little question.... I have postfix and dovecot runnin. Sending emails works with squirrelmail but not using thunderbird. I always get disconnected with message in mail.log "no auth attempts" |
| 19:15.55 | Yerodin | Could use some help over here. |
| 19:16.13 | bobweaver | I mean it is up to the user so what ever floats you boat but you really got a chuckly out of me with the 64 mb of ram |
| 19:16.21 | bobweaver | you got a p1 in there also |
| 19:16.43 | karlpinc | bobweaver: Nah. Just a box on a usb stick. |
| 19:16.51 | bobweaver | ahh I see |
| 19:16.56 | bobweaver | v.cool |
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| 19:17.47 | karlpinc | Yerodin: Sounds like thunderbird is not sending authentication. Perhaps it's connecting to the external ip instead of to localhost, or you just didn't configure it to authenticate. |
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| 19:18.30 | Yerodin | karlpinc: It's a little vserver I have (which then is external ;-) ) |
| 19:19.19 | Yerodin | karlpinc: A friend has the same issue using mickey"ofts outlook. |
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| 19:20.12 | Yerodin | Apr 19 21:20:03 triton202 dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth attempts): rip=213.211.229.215, lip=85.25.111.218 |
| 19:20.17 | Yerodin | That's what I get :| |
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| 19:21.41 | karlpinc | Yerodin: Does anything work? (e.g. Try using telnet. I think you can talk imap straight from telnet.) |
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| 19:22.47 | Yerodin | karlpinc: telnet shows me esmtp postfix listening on port 25. How can I try imap? |
| 19:23.03 | Yerodin | Sry, I meant 220 |
| 19:23.44 | karlpinc | Yerodin: That's the first step. The second is to read the imap rfc. :-) Seriously, there's usually an example. |
| 19:23.55 | Yerodin | karlpinc: Will look for. |
| 19:23.59 | karlpinc | Yerodin: www.rfc-editor.org |
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| 19:24.54 | karlpinc | Yerodin: Or choose some other client and try that, although when it comes to figuring out what's wrong there's nothing like talking directly to the server. |
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| 19:26.08 | Days` | Hello guys, do you know if it is possible to use debian-installer-current to install debian-stable ? |
| 19:26.31 | Days` | the why is : the d-i current has updated drivers |
| 19:26.36 | karlpinc | Yerodin: In other words, figure out whether the problem is in the server config or on the client, or if something is messing with your communication. Given telnet connects the latter is probably not the problem. |
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| 19:27.17 | belak | Is there a good way to make it so all email is handled locally, apart from a single user which is sent to a specific gmail address? |
| 19:27.25 | Yerodin | karlpinc: Connecting to imap using telnet works |
| 19:27.39 | karlpinc | Days`: The current installer is for the next version of debian and is under development. We recommend the squeeze installer to install, and then upgrade to testing if desired. Unless you want to test/develop the next installer. |
| 19:27.42 | Yerodin | karlpinc: Login just pumps out "login BAD Error in IMAP command received by server." |
| 19:27.51 | belak | I tried this (http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4) but it sends everything via gmail |
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| 19:29.22 | karlpinc | Yerodin: You're probably not talking imap correctly. You could use "script" and paste the result somewhere. (But I don't have time to look at it, maybe somebody else will.) |
| 19:29.37 | Yerodin | karlpinc: My bad, now I'm logged in. |
| 19:29.40 | Days` | karlpinc: the fact is that the stable installer does not ship drivers for newest machines, we would like to use debian-installer_current to have acces to newer drivers to install a stable release (debian 6) |
| 19:29.43 | MrFrood | belak: would a .forward file for the one user do the trick? |
| 19:29.53 | karlpinc | !tell Days` about kmuto |
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| 19:30.01 | belak | MrFrood: I have no idea how to set that up |
| 19:30.08 | Yerodin | karlpinc: Any idea why telnet connects successfully and other clients don't? |
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| 19:30.27 | karlpinc | Yerodin: The other clients are not properly configured. |
| 19:30.38 | Days` | karlpinc: this link is great but is it somthing official from debian ? |
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| 19:31.00 | karlpinc | Days`: It's offically unoffical. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 19:31.10 | MrFrood | belak: a .forward file is a pretty simple text file, the search solution of your choice should give you lots of info |
| 19:31.40 | Days` | karlpinc: hmm okay thanks for the hint |
| 19:32.02 | karlpinc | Days`: Yeah. Kmuto's been doing it forever,but there's no guarentee he won't stop tomorrow. |
| 19:33.19 | belak | MrFrood: I guess my next question would be how do I reset the config of exim4 to the default? |
| 19:33.27 | karlpinc | Days`: You could also ask on #debian-boot on irc.debian.org where the installer developers are. (They're interested in developing, but....) |
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| 19:34.08 | Days` | karlpinc: thanks you for your help |
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| 19:35.14 | NoVoteLoss | how do i run an executable file as root? |
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| 19:35.22 | Yerodin | karlpinc: I don't understand it... When I'm doing telnet and imaplogin locally it works. When I do the same using my home computer it doesn't.... |
| 19:35.49 | karlpinc | Yerodin: It may be wanting more authentication from a remote client. |
| 19:35.52 | Days` | karlpinc: just to understand correctly, the kmuot's images are just for the d-i images right ? not for the installed system ( stock debian6) |
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| 19:35.59 | Yerodin | Humm... |
| 19:36.49 | karlpinc | Days`: I belive that these days the kmuto installer also installs a newer kernel too so you don't have to also boot from the kmuto installer to get a newer kernel from backports.debian.org so your box will boot. Otherwise it installs stock squeeze. |
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| 19:37.08 | Days` | karlpinc: okay thanks you |
| 19:37.50 | karlpinc | Yerodin: It's a dovecot question, and I'm not up on dovecot. |
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| 19:39.26 | karlpinc | belak: To be clear, a .forward file will work to forward local mail to anywhere. But it won't keep _all_ mail local, just mail sent to an address without an @ in it. You can redirect all mail to a local address(es) if you like, but that's more complicated. (I prefer postfix, but can't tell you how to do it offhand.) |
| 19:39.51 | Days` | Guys, just to know, is it possible in a pressed file to tell d-i which release to install (debian5, 6, testing ?) |
| 19:40.39 | Yerodin | karlpinc: Yeah, sounds somethings going weird with dovecot... |
| 19:42.42 | Days` | okay guys if you wanna know, you can boot with a recent D-I (devel), then tell it to install Stable by preseeding (d-i mirror/suite select stable) |
| 19:42.54 | karlpinc | Days`: Dunno. I might _guess_ not, because each release comes with it's own installer. I tend to control that sort of stuff with via pxeboot, and boot the appropriate installer. You might have to stoop to reading the instructions. (We usually recommend installing testing via installing stable and upgrading.) |
| 19:43.34 | Days` | karlpinc: i just rtfm, and i found that "d-i mirror/suite" does the job |
| 19:43.46 | karlpinc | Days`: Thing about the devel installer is that it's in development, so may not always work. |
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| 19:44.40 | Days` | karlpinc: yes, you right, i can take the tesing one then ( it conatina sthe drivers i need) |
| 19:44.49 | Days` | s/tesing/testing |
| 19:45.21 | karlpinc | Days`: You're still going to be faced with installing a newer kernel from <bdo>. |
| 19:45.25 | Yerodin | Using telnet imaplogin works (local and external). If I use some client as thunderbird it doesn't and pumps out: dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected (no auth attempts). Any ideas? |
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| 19:45.55 | Days` | karlpinc: what is a <bdo> ? |
| 19:45.58 | karlpinc | Yerodin: That message says you're using pop3 from thunderbird, not imap. |
| 19:46.00 | karlpinc | !bdo |
| 19:46.01 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 19:46.17 | Days` | karlpinc: oh sorry about that :) |
| 19:46.18 | karlpinc | !tell Days` about msg the bot |
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| 19:46.23 | Guest64922 | karlpinc: can i answer to your questio now? |
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| 19:46.32 | Guest64922 | forry i was afk |
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| 19:46.51 | Yerodin | karlpinc: I'm trying both and both fails with the same error. |
| 19:47.00 | karlpinc | Guest64922: Sure. But I may be afk too. :-) |
| 19:47.12 | Days` | karlpinc: we are not, because we will be installing our own kernel on the installation process , with its own drivers modules ( it's a custom kernel) |
| 19:47.28 | Guest64922 | karlpinc: remember what you asked me? |
| 19:47.33 | Days` | karlpinc: so at the reboot, everything will be fine |
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| 19:47.57 | karlpinc | Guest64922: I asked why you're compling and not using the alsa-utils package (or whatever the package is). |
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| 19:48.22 | belak | karlpinc: the main issue is that I don't seem to be able to send email remotely... |
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| 19:48.39 | belak | I get a nice error "Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 19:49.10 | BotaniCar | can someone tell me where to start looking for cause of http://pastebin.com/XTadTSAp error ? |
| 19:49.13 | karlpinc | belak: Most isps block outbound mail. You need to configure a "smart relay" so your mail all goes through your isp's smtp server. (And they may place further restrictions on what you send at that point.) |
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| 19:49.45 | karlpinc | belak: You can "dpkg-reconfigure" your mta and choose "smart host" as the easy way to make that happen. |
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| 19:50.22 | Days` | karlpinc: thx for ur help |
| 19:50.23 | belak | It just seems that whenever I configure a smart host, all mail is sent out that way, even stuff that should stay local |
| 19:50.23 | Guest64922 | karlpinc: reason why i'm compilig alsa from src was no sound in headphones but was in speakers |
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| 19:50.57 | Guest64922 | my purpose was upgrading current version to |
| 19:51.13 | karlpinc | Guest64922: Did anyone suggest you compile? That sounds like some sort of setting that needs setting. (I don't know sound so won't be able to help.) |
| 19:51.13 | Guest64922 | latest , in my opinion :-P |
| 19:51.50 | belak | Guest64922: did you check the levels? Like in alsamixer, or a similar program? |
| 19:51.58 | karlpinc | belak: You need to configure your local domain properly so that the box knows what's local and what's not. I think smarthosts will still do local delivery. |
| 19:52.15 | Guest64922 | belak: for what? for headphones sound? |
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| 19:52.34 | belak | Guest64922: with alsa, there are separate sliders for speakers and headphones |
| 19:52.44 | karlpinc | belak: "man mailname" is one thing to look at. |
| 19:52.47 | Guest64922 | yes , of course |
| 19:52.58 | Guest64922 | maybe it was alsa bug |
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| 19:53.43 | bensons | BotaniCar: try to start the smartmon script manually |
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| 19:57.30 | jhambo | Hi folks. I'm on debian squeeze and I've installed apache2. I want to configure the system to require login in order to access the webpages. This seems rather simple but I can't get it to ask for a password. I made a .htpasswd file with some users and passes. Then I put the following into httpd.conf: http://paste.debian.net/163849/. Am I forgeting something? |
| 19:58.10 | sauvin | Ralink 5390 wifi. Any help? |
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| 19:58.42 | BotaniCar | bensons, i get the "failed" message after a attempt of manual startup, nothing verbose. I have no idea if it's logging errors anywhere ? |
| 19:58.59 | belak | karlpinc: one weird thing going on... in gmail, it's showing up as the opposite of what I need... it's showing up as to belak@localhost, from whoever@gmail.com |
| 19:59.58 | bensons | BotaniCar: no idea, maybe start via bash -x /etc/init.d/<script> and see what it starts |
| 20:00.32 | BotaniCar | bensons, i parsed syslog and found something, thanks , i'll try to google my way out from here |
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| 20:01.43 | bensons | BotaniCar: have fun ;) |
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| 20:03.49 | abrotman | jhambo: the apache docs have a decent section on that .. read those yet? |
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| 20:05.10 | jordanm | jhambo: it needs to be inside of <directory> tags (or .htaccess) in the vhost configuration |
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| 20:05.26 | jordanm | not httpd.conf, which shouldn't really be edited in debian |
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| 20:06.07 | sauvin | Debian Squeeze AMD64, ralink 5390 wifi (no drivers). Help! |
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| 20:07.26 | jham | argh.. |
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| 20:09.50 | streuner_ | sauvin: /msg dpkg 5390 |
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| 20:11.00 | sauvin | Great, this means I have to use a backported kernel. |
| 20:12.03 | sauvin | Oh, and I need firmware!? |
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| 20:13.36 | cheets | Hi |
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| 20:14.22 | cheets | If I want to make sure the daily systen cron job executes in the certain order, what's the best way to do it? I thought of putting a number in front of each script |
| 20:14.53 | leftyfb | cheets: do it in the scripts |
| 20:15.36 | cheets | How do you mean? |
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| 20:16.15 | leftyfb | cheets: cron 1 script, have that script call the others in order |
| 20:16.16 | jordanm | cheets: make another script that calls your other scripts in the order you want |
| 20:17.14 | cheets | But isn't that what /etc/cron.daily/ is for? |
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| 20:17.28 | leftyfb | for running scripts daily, yes |
| 20:17.32 | jordanm | nothing about cron ensures order |
| 20:17.44 | jordanm | it only executes things based on time |
| 20:17.57 | cheets | yeah but I want it to execute my backup script before the log rotator |
| 20:18.01 | jordanm | as an alternative you can set the cron job for: script1; script2; script3.... |
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| 20:18.09 | cheets | I put my script in /etc/cron.daily/backup |
| 20:18.24 | cheets | or after the log rotator |
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| 20:19.03 | jordanm | cheets: remove the log rotator cron, have the backup script backup logs first, then call the rotator while it backs everything else up |
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| 20:20.02 | jhambo | abrotman: yah I've been reading the apache docs. That's why I'm so puzzled. It seems really simple... |
| 20:20.21 | streuner_ | sauvin: sure, but http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-ralink confuses me |
| 20:20.37 | streuner_ | sauvin: 5390 isnt mentioned there... |
| 20:20.46 | sauvin | Yea, I'm seeing. |
| 20:21.07 | sauvin | Trying to figure out the backports now in order to install a 3.2 AMD64 kernel. |
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| 20:23.45 | bronaugh | hey; so at one point there was an lxr-cvs package in lenny. how come it's not in squeeze? |
| 20:23.51 | bronaugh | and/or any other later distribution? |
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| 20:24.36 | leftyfb | I'm trying to do installations via PXE and kickstart(kickseed). One issue I'm running into is if I specify my preed file and/or my kickstart file, neither of which is manually specifying a hostname, the installation does not prompt me for a hostname, If I take them both out of the mix, it will prompt me for a hostname. |
| 20:24.37 | jhambo | jordanm: haha you are right. Should be "directory" not "Location". Unless I'm reading it wrong, the example code at "http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_auth_basic.html" is incorrect. |
| 20:25.53 | jordanm | jhambo: maybe there are synonymous |
| 20:25.55 | mintsnow | If you have the time or patience, I'd very much appreciate it if you could help me (new Debian user) with automounting. Post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/siddl/external_hdd_automount_on_squeeze/ |
| 20:26.03 | jordanm | jhambo: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/auth.html |
| 20:26.36 | sauvin | Can't install backported kernel; conflicts! |
| 20:27.03 | jhambo | jordanm: directory works but location doesn't. I guess that location is something I don't understand... |
| 20:27.26 | karlpinc | !tell mintsnow about automount |
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| 20:27.58 | streuner_ | sauvin: please show us the whole error in a pastebin |
| 20:28.20 | Joren | Hey, I'm not sure if it's related, but I just updated to squeeze, and now my /etc/init.d/networking doesn't start any of the interfaces that it should |
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| 20:28.21 | sauvin | Hrm. When Synaptics complains, I'm discovering, apt-get *itself* can just say "oh, ok..." |
| 20:28.38 | jordanm | sauvin: they have different dependency resolvers |
| 20:28.39 | Joren | Is that still the apropriate way to stop and start networking? |
| 20:28.49 | sauvin | jordanm, yea, I'm getting that impression. |
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| 20:28.58 | jordanm | Joren: start, yes, stop and restart, no |
| 20:29.03 | Joren | ahha |
| 20:29.05 | jordanm | Joren: ifup/ifdown <interface> |
| 20:29.12 | themill | Joren: there's no such thing as "stop and start networking". You should do whatever it is you actually want. |
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| 20:29.34 | jordanm | themill: usually its ifdown and ifup all interfaces, which it used to do in lenny |
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| 20:30.04 | bronaugh | ok, nm, followed the path of the bugs. |
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| 20:30.10 | themill | jordanm: yeah, but that's often not what people are thinking of when they say "restart networking". |
| 20:30.36 | themill | jordanm: (hence the functionality being deprecated and the suggestion made that you should do what you really wanted) |
| 20:30.44 | Joren | I guess what I want is the init script to work.. I am just presented with nothing when I run /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 20:31.00 | themill | Joren: what are you really trying to do? |
| 20:31.08 | jhutchins_lt | Some distros restarting networking will shutdown all net dependent programs, cycle the interface, and restart the programs. |
| 20:31.17 | Joren | get networking to start at boot |
| 20:31.27 | Joren | configured from /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 20:31.49 | jhutchins_lt | Joren: So you want to make sure network manager is NOT running. |
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| 20:32.47 | themill | Joren: and what is currently (not) happening on boot? What do you have in /e/network/interfaces? (note network not networking) |
| 20:32.47 | Joren | jhutchins_lt, It doesn't apear to even be installed |
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| 20:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's network-manager for the daemon then you need an interface, but good. |
| 20:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | That's the main reason for the warning. |
| 20:34.21 | Joren | themill, http://pastebin.com/4bytSGrY |
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| 20:35.42 | sauvin | That was a complete failure. Running off to the backported kernel breaks video. |
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| 20:38.18 | thomano | banned for what? good sound? |
| 20:38.30 | themill | sauvin: "breaks video" in what way? this works for many people. |
| 20:38.48 | themill | Joren: I can't see anything wrong with that -- in what way is it not working> |
| 20:38.50 | sauvin | Scrambled the hell out of mine, and I don't have time to chase down multiple problems. |
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| 20:39.12 | sauvin | Looks like the ralink 5390 just isn't going to work on debian squeeze. |
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| 20:39.56 | thomano | banned for what? good sound? |
| 20:40.10 | Joren | themill, neither eth0 nor lo come up when I run /etc/init.d/networking start. Nothing shows up in a regular ifconfig, and ifconfig -a shows they don't have addresses |
| 20:40.27 | thomano | banned for what? good sound? |
| 20:40.30 | themill | thomano: can we help you? |
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| 20:41.01 | thomano | banned for what? good sound? |
| 20:41.10 | thomano | banned for what? good sound? |
| 20:41.18 | nvz | apparently he wants banned for repeating :P |
| 20:42.16 | sauvin | Sometimes I think debian shoots itself in the foot with being so strict about "non-free" stuff. |
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| 20:43.01 | nvz | sauvin: I think it addresses that issue well, sorting non-free stuff into two categories |
| 20:43.19 | ompaul | that which supports the non free and that which is |
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| 20:43.32 | leftyfb | Can anyone help me with my pressed/kickstart/hostname issue? |
| 20:43.36 | sauvin | Say that again to noobs who can get things with ubuntu that debian makes difficult. |
| 20:43.39 | nvz | not to mention I didn't know debian had feet.. heh |
| 20:44.07 | sauvin | decides to try out opensuse |
| 20:44.09 | Joren | ah, ifup, ifdown no longer exist, and the init script is trying to call that |
| 20:44.11 | Joren | that might do it ;) |
| 20:44.12 | nvz | personally I rather those sorts of idiots keep using ubuntu and talk about it in their channels |
| 20:44.17 | karlpinc | !tells sauvin about hard to use |
| 20:44.36 | sauvin | Don't bother. I have debian running on a number of other machines with zero problem. |
| 20:45.05 | nvz | when I found debian I realized almost as soon as I realized I agreed 100% with their social contract and why debian documents, that this clearly wasn't for everyone |
| 20:45.07 | karlpinc | sauvin: Debian defines itself by being free. Take that away and all you have left it is a good way to procrastinate on irc. ;-) |
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| 20:45.18 | nvz | karlpinc: haha |
| 20:45.18 | sauvin | Heh. |
| 20:45.25 | sauvin | I'm gonna try opensuse anyway. Been curious. |
| 20:45.53 | nvz | whatever lets out your lizard... or whtever that thing is |
| 20:46.15 | sauvin | It isn't debian's *freedom* per se that makes me stick with it. It's its *stability*. The vast majority of cases, it's a rock. |
| 20:46.24 | somiaj | sauvin: I think the biggest issue is squeeze was the first debian release to move the non-free firmware blobs from the kernel. So it was the first atempt at how to provide a free according to the DSFG while at the same time providing tools that others may want (hence non-free) |
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| 20:47.11 | somiaj | My hope is the installer provides a 'click here for non-free' option from the start to make those who just want it to work easier from the begining but still being clear that they are not using DSFG free software. |
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| 20:47.51 | nvz | I never seen that as an issue since debian works with entirely free software and its very easy to enable non-free and contrib |
| 20:48.14 | sauvin | somiaj, I think I'd vote for that. This is very frustrating. |
| 20:48.23 | somiaj | nvz: a good number of questions in here require telling someone to add non-free and then install the firware for the wireless card or the non-free graphics drivers |
| 20:48.26 | Justin | nvz: the non-free stuff is mostly problematic when you are trying to do a netinstall and your network card needs non-free firmware |
| 20:48.48 | mintsnow | Hm..still having issues with getting ExFat to work. How frustrating. |
| 20:48.52 | nvz | having just done that in the last 6 months I dont change my statement.. heh |
| 20:49.01 | nvz | I just had to go get an installer which included the non-free |
| 20:49.07 | nvz | it was fairly easy to do |
| 20:49.16 | sauvin | IF you can find the goddamn firmware. If it involves grabbing firmware from a Windows install, well.... oops. |
| 20:49.23 | somiaj | the installer provides a way to use non-free firmware with the net installer but it sin't fine tuned, I think imporving that so from the start you can get non-free firmware would help out a lot. |
| 20:49.38 | nvz | for me it involved getting a specific installer iso that already had it on there |
| 20:49.52 | somiaj | sauvin: most network cards now have their firmware in a debian firmware package in non-free. It is getting access to that package that is the problem. |
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| 20:50.28 | nvz | but as was said earlier, this is a relatively new issue, as the kernel separation and dkms and such are all a fairly new thing to debian |
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| 20:50.56 | sauvin | Not the 5390, it isn't, and while it *might* be in the backported kernel, the backported kernel trashed the video system. |
| 20:51.20 | streuner_ | sauvin: why? |
| 20:51.20 | somiaj | yea my hope is wheezy has a much smoother way to deal with this, as I the non-free issue for wireless cards is only going to get more used as time goes on. |
| 20:51.36 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 20:51.52 | sauvin | It's why I installed Ubuntu on the other laptop - OOTB wifi. |
| 20:52.05 | streuner_ | sauvin: i can only think about sound, but not video |
| 20:52.23 | sauvin | Sound doesn't help me much - I rely on subtitles. |
| 20:52.25 | bandu | man, i dont know why i didnt install straight debian sooner. |
| 20:52.41 | bandu | they call it "unstable" but it's running extremely smoothly |
| 20:52.53 | streuner_ | bandu: just wait... |
| 20:52.56 | sauvin | bandu, congratulations. If you've installed debian and everything works, you now have a fast, solid ROCK. |
| 20:53.15 | bandu | sauvin: it's solid as one. fast too. |
| 20:53.19 | streuner_ | bandu: talking about sid :-) |
| 20:53.20 | sauvin | Well... unstable might wobble once or twice a year. |
| 20:53.22 | somiaj | bandu: sid is unstable, just wait it will break. (: |
| 20:53.43 | bandu | streuner_: nah, i have wheezy installed |
| 20:53.44 | sauvin | I've had folks tell me running sid was more stable than running ubuntu. |
| 20:53.48 | somiaj | though as long as you understand debian package managemenent and how to use the bts, you can fix almost any problem you come across. |
| 20:53.55 | bandu | sauvin: i believe it. |
| 20:53.59 | streuner_ | bandu: ok, but its almost the same :-) |
| 20:54.07 | sauvin | somiaj, you overestimate me. |
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| 20:54.28 | bandu | but yeah, i dont know why i didnt go to the souce before. |
| 20:54.34 | DijkstraGroupie | How do I update my apt-cache? Sorry for the exteme n00bness. |
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| 20:54.49 | bandu | debian is positively petrific |
| 20:54.50 | somiaj | DijkstraGroupie: apt-get update |
| 20:54.55 | somiaj | DijkstraGroupie: aptitude update |
| 20:55.16 | DijkstraGroupie | Thanks. |
| 20:55.19 | somiaj | bandu: in the future, I would suggest running stable + backports (unless you really want the fun of fixing your system when it breaks) |
| 20:55.22 | somiaj | !sid |
| 20:55.23 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 20:55.36 | sauvin | bandu, I went to Debian after having run Ubuntu for a while, a few years ago. I'd jumped from Fedora to Ubuntu because Ubuntu was craploads faster. Ubuntu then pissed me off, and so I decided to see what an unvarnished debian is like. Been using it NOW almost exclusively on my main machines for years. |
| 20:55.54 | streuner_ | hm, the factoid should be better |
| 20:56.06 | somiaj | streuner_: I like it the way it is, (: |
| 20:56.09 | sauvin | Warning: treat backported kernels with suspicion. |
| 20:56.15 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo sid |
| 20:56.16 | dpkg | sid -- last modified at Mon Nov 14 18:06:41 2011 by dondelelcaro!~don@hemlock.ucr.edu; it has been requested 1318 times, last by somiaj, 53s ago. |
| 20:56.19 | streuner_ | haha |
| 20:56.34 | streuner_ | sure |
| 20:57.07 | sauvin | waits for his copy of suse to finish downloading - these suckers are never small, are they? : |
| 20:57.22 | somiaj | sauvin: sometimes the newer video kernel modules require newer xorg, so you may have just needed the xorg backport |
| 20:57.28 | sauvin | Not looking forward to this totally, tbh. I usually hate rpm-based distros. |
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| 20:57.33 | themill | sauvin: rather than just complaining about the backported kernel, you could try to actually fix your video problem... chances are that you never installed the right video driver for it. |
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| 20:57.59 | sauvin | themill, shouldn't have had to. I don't have all day to get something running. |
| 20:58.22 | ompaul | cos there is so much irc to do and dvds to download? |
| 20:58.48 | sauvin | And crap going on in the other computer. |
| 20:59.21 | sauvin | This is a Problem, and if what somiaj said is true, you're going to be seeing LOTS of complaints. |
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| 21:00.47 | bandu | sauvin, yeah, it's so much better, so fast. |
| 21:00.54 | themill | sauvin: you started installing random packages that aren't from stable and didn't install enough of them. You then refused to do anything to try to help the situation and have spent the next hour complaining about it. Yes, it is a Problem.... but not with squeeze. |
| 21:01.22 | bandu | what's better, is it's so easy. i tried crunchbang and arch and gentoo, but those package managers are a pain. |
| 21:01.25 | sauvin | Yes, actually, it's a problem with squeeze when you have this particular chipset. |
| 21:01.31 | sauvin | Oh, forget arch. |
| 21:02.57 | streuner_ | i doubt that's a Debian problem then :-) |
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| 21:03.40 | streuner_ | typical* |
| 21:04.05 | sauvin | Like I said, debian is running on a number of other machines here with zero problem. |
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| 21:09.27 | damacus | hello - staging a machine in virtualbox to be cloned via clonezilla onto some metal, however the installation automatically installs virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms and utils - does anyone know how to prevent this? |
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| 21:09.33 | damacus | really don't want those + dependancies in the image |
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| 21:11.59 | streuner_ | damacus: whats wrong with dkms? |
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| 21:12.53 | streuner_ | damacus: and no, i have no idea HOW to prevent this |
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| 21:13.28 | streuner_ | damacus: or you just make your own deb |
| 21:13.35 | damacus | streuner_: I don't necessarily know that there's anything wrong with the dkms part. I'm just not liking that the presence of these things with X lib prereqs get pulled in |
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| 21:14.00 | damacus | not as clean as it can be. I'm going to try installing with the non-firmware netinst CD and see if it happens with that also. |
| 21:14.18 | damacus | i can always add brocade firmware and whatnot in after the fact |
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| 21:18.44 | damacus | damn.. no. standard netinst cd includes it also :( |
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| 21:21.02 | damacus | that stuff really should be part of tasksel imho |
| 21:21.05 | damacus | or otherwise prompted for |
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| 21:23.41 | marcm | how can I install Debian Squeeze with Grub Legacy instead of Grub 2? |
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| 21:24.42 | sauvin | marcm, what kind of drive are you planning on installing it on? |
| 21:25.18 | marcm | sauvin regular SATA drive, the whole drive will be dedicated to Debian, no multi boot |
| 21:25.28 | sauvin | Size? |
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| 21:27.20 | damacus | streuner_: I found this, which shows modifying the preseed: https://github.com/jedi4ever/veewee/commit/98786f91 |
| 21:27.31 | damacus | :| |
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| 21:32.09 | jhutchins_lt | damacus: Why not use grub2? |
| 21:32.21 | jhutchins_lt | damacus: 'scuse. |
| 21:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | marcm: Why? |
| 21:32.50 | sauvin | Because grub2 is a major pain in the butt? |
| 21:33.04 | dondelelcaro | grub2 is actually pretty nice... |
| 21:33.15 | jhutchins_lt | I haven't had any trouble with it. |
| 21:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | Customized it as required. |
| 21:33.31 | dondelelcaro | marcm: unless you've got a really specific reason to use grub-legacy, you should use grub2 |
| 21:33.32 | sauvin | I don't like having a simple menu.lst to edit. |
| 21:33.36 | sauvin | *not |
| 21:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | It's incredibly bloated compared to grub0, but it works. |
| 21:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | sauvin: Yeah, but you just edit /etc/defaults/grub and update. |
| 21:34.11 | dondelelcaro | sauvin: you can still edit it if you want, it's just got all of the routines to build it for yourself |
| 21:34.40 | jhutchins_lt | sauvin: It is harder to visualize the menu. It would be nice if somebody wrote a tool that would read the config and display the menu without having to actually boot. |
| 21:35.04 | jhutchins_lt | One could always run lilo. |
| 21:35.11 | sauvin | Guess my needs have always been humble enough there's been no need to "visualise". |
| 21:35.16 | sauvin | Oh, forget lilo. |
| 21:35.30 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: they're actually all in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, so you can see it pretty easily |
| 21:35.32 | streuner_ | why, lilo was really good |
| 21:35.46 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: except if you needed to do anything remotely complicated |
| 21:36.04 | ranix | !systemd |
| 21:36.05 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:41.43 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a bootloader war |
| 21:41.43 | dpkg | yaboot is the best ever! |
| 21:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | I got tired of fighting when every distro defaulted to grub, so I gave in and learned grub. |
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| 21:42.45 | forgotten | grubalub |
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| 21:43.04 | streuner_ | grub just works here, so i didnt need to learn anything about grub |
| 21:43.18 | streuner_ | it works like a charm |
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| 21:43.52 | marcm | dondelelcaro I actually do: I am making KVM virtual machine templates and you can't make a working template with Grub 2 installed |
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| 21:44.45 | Monotoko | Suppose I have a (ubuntu) server that handles example.com and all of the web hosting/DNS etc side, then I add an A record for "mail" to point to another server (debian 6), then an MX record to the zone to point to mail.example.com... and finally add example@example.com to the mail server... it should recieve all mail sent to that address, yes? |
| 21:45.02 | marcm | dondelelcaro right now KVM templates are extremely crude, all they are is a truncated dd of the virtual machine partition where you install it |
| 21:45.05 | dondelelcaro | marcm: why not? |
| 21:45.27 | marcm | dondelelcaro the template just won't boot, it's that simple :) |
| 21:46.00 | dondelelcaro | marcm: if it's a dd of the machine, it should still boot unless it's rewritten the UUID or similar |
| 21:46.19 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: Or unless the disk block addresses change..... |
| 21:46.27 | marcm | dondelelcaro it's a dd |
| 21:46.29 | forgotten | Monotoko: is DNS fully updated? Reverse pointer was created? |
| 21:46.58 | karlpinc | Monotoko: And of course the receiving side has to be setup to receive. |
| 21:47.04 | dondelelcaro | marcm: then it should work. How exatly is it failing? |
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| 21:47.57 | marcm | dondelelcaro I get a GRUB promt at boot |
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| 21:48.02 | forgotten | Monotoko: depends what mail system you're using too, some are tied to system accounts, some are not. |
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| 21:49.34 | Listar | hi, can i update the kernel backports using aptitude -t squeeze-backports and select the packages ? |
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| 21:50.33 | streuner_ | Listar, sure, using "update" via aptitude or apt-get -> /msg dpkg bpo kernel too |
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| 21:51.06 | streuner_ | Listar: just use apt-get/aptitude update |
| 21:51.15 | dondelelcaro | marcm: and then what? |
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| 21:51.27 | Listar | thanks streuner_ |
| 21:51.33 | streuner_ | np |
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| 21:51.43 | dondelelcaro | marcm: if you get a grub prompt, grub is working, or at least, somewhat working |
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| 21:53.38 | karlpinc | marcm: It's probably not finding the partition/fs in which it's supposed to root around in for it's config file so it can come up with a menu. So, when installing grub it needs to know this, and something changed. |
| 21:53.43 | damacus | Hmmm |
| 21:53.45 | Monotoko | karlpinc, the other side is controlled by plesk :) forgotten, I've updated the DNS zone on the example.com end... on the mail.example.com it uses a different reverse (I have several domains on this domain) |
| 21:53.49 | damacus | KVM templates, you say? |
| 21:53.50 | Monotoko | **IP |
| 21:54.13 | Monotoko | however! I am not receving mail... not sure if it's just because I need to wait? |
| 21:54.22 | Monotoko | I can send... which might be a good sign |
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| 21:55.41 | karlpinc | Monotoko: Start by connecting to the ip of your debian box with "telnet foo.example.com 25" and see if you can talk smtp to it and manually send an email. (The smtp rfc 2822 or 2823 -- except that's been updated) has an example. www.rfc-editor.org |
| 21:56.12 | damacus | Monotoko: if you have multiple domains on that box, enusre it's configged to accept email for example.com |
| 21:56.17 | karlpinc | Monotoko: Or, make sure dns has updated on some particular box and use the mail program of your choice there. |
| 21:56.20 | damacus | else it may be refusing mail with relay denied |
| 21:56.29 | damacus | check your logs |
| 21:56.45 | damacus | and ideally also check logs from an internet host sending mail / do what karlpinc indicated |
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| 21:57.12 | Monotoko | cheers guys... now I need to work out where plesk, being the blasted program it is, saves its logs -.- |
| 21:57.13 | damacus | ideally again from outside your network so you are going thru whatever security you have in place |
| 21:57.36 | karlpinc | Monotoko: The logs on the debian box. It'll either say messages are received or say why not. |
| 21:58.01 | Monotoko | right |
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| 21:58.16 | damacus | Monotoko: if you tell us or privmsg me the ip and a valid email account on the box, i can attempt to send a message |
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| 21:58.36 | abhisinghal | le processing: |
| 21:58.36 | abhisinghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.36 | abhisinghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.36 | abhisinghal | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 21:59.00 | streuner_ | judd, versions monodoc-base |
| 21:59.01 | judd | Package: monodoc-base on i386 -- lenny: 1.9-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.6.7-5; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-1; sid: 2.10.8.1-3 |
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| 21:59.25 | Monotoko | damacus, if I post it here are my messages likely to appear somewhere on Google? I'm sorting this out for my boss and don't want his domain coming up |
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| 22:00.05 | abhisinghal | le processing: |
| 22:00.05 | abhisinghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.05 | abhisinghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.05 | abhisinghal | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 22:00.12 | marcm | karlpinc well, I may just install Debian 6 from ISO for my KVM server, but I sure would like to make a template out of it. Debian 6 is really awesome as a server |
| 22:00.15 | streuner_ | abhisinghal: please show us the whole error and pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:00.17 | Monotoko | 2 secs... il set up an email account and PM you |
| 22:00.18 | streuner_ | too late :-) |
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| 22:00.41 | streuner_ | abhisinghal: please show us the whole error and pastebin your sources.list |
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| 22:00.49 | damacus | <3 squeeze on servers |
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| 22:01.00 | streuner_ | abhisinghal: the whole error in a pastebin too... |
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| 22:01.47 | abhisinghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.47 | abhisinghal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.47 | abhisinghal | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:01.53 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:02.02 | streuner_ | abhisinghal: in a pastebin! :-) |
| 22:02.07 | themill | abhisinghal: please put the command you gave and the *entire* output into http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 22:03.29 | streuner_ | abhisinghal: do what themill told you and add your sources.list into that too |
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| 22:36.07 | somiaj | TehRabbitt-Work: all ftp is bad!! Use sftp (usually provided by openssl) |
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| 22:38.14 | somiaj | TehRabbitt-Work: but if you must use ftp, any of the servers provided in squeeze should be just fine. |
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| 22:39.43 | kevlarman | somiaj: there's no such thing as must use ftp |
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| 22:40.10 | jvcleave | hello - I am trying to install something with apt-get but it keeps trying overwrite libts with a version that won't work - is there a way to get apt-get to ignore a dependency? |
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| 22:41.22 | somiaj | kevlarman: I would like to think that too, but it is still widelyused, :( |
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| 22:41.31 | calrogman | http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20120419.txt |
| 22:41.57 | somiaj | jvcleave: the only way I can think of you getting into that issue is mixing sources. What is your sources.list, or give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 22:42.53 | jvcleave | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib |
| 22:42.53 | jvcleave | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib |
| 22:42.54 | jvcleave | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 22:43.35 | somiaj | well nothing fishy there, is it something from squeeze-backports that is giving you this issue? |
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| 22:43.39 | jvcleave | i don't have the member:apt-cache policy right now as I am restoring the disk image :/ |
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| 22:44.25 | jvcleave | well i installed libts with a version from github as it is the only one that works for me |
| 22:44.39 | jvcleave | apt-get just doesn't seem to see it? |
| 22:44.41 | somiaj | how did you install it from github? |
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| 22:45.26 | jvcleave | manually - I am actually keeping all my notes here http://piratepad.net/quaszPHMSg |
| 22:45.33 | somiaj | ,versions libts-0.0-0 |
| 22:45.34 | judd | Package: libts-0.0-0 on i386 -- lenny: 1.0-4; squeeze: 1.0-7; sid: 1.0-11; wheezy: 1.0-11 |
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| 22:47.27 | somiaj | jvcleave: I'm unsure on the versions, is the version from github more recent than the version 1.0 in debian? |
| 22:48.24 | jvcleave | somiaj: let me check - the source is here https://github.com/kergoth/tslib |
| 22:49.35 | somiaj | jvcleave: well what is it about the version on github that works compared the version in debian that dosen't? |
| 22:49.51 | somiaj | think you could patch the debian version to work? You could maybe use something like uupdate and make your own custom libts package |
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| 22:51.25 | jvcleave | ts_calibrate runs with the version from github - the version from debian segfaults or can't find the device (touchscreen) |
| 22:52.22 | somiaj | well my only advise is you will have to make a custom debian package from the version you have |
| 22:52.25 | somiaj | or use equivs |
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| 22:52.44 | somiaj | jvcleave: /msg dpkg factoid -- check the following factoids: ssbp, uupdate, equivs |
| 22:52.49 | jvcleave | is this the page on how to do that? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html |
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| 22:54.21 | somiaj | jvcleave: note if you are ok with doing the maunal source install, equivs would be the easiest. |
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| 22:54.53 | jvcleave | somiaj: thanks - will check it out |
| 22:55.15 | somiaj | though I would suggest making a custom debian package -- but that would require more work. And you may have to setup a cross complier if you don't want to install a full build enviorment on your armel device |
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| 22:59.04 | jvcleave | I am currently building on it so it hasn't been awful |
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| 23:10.16 | coolstar-pc | Where can I see the source code for apt? |
| 23:10.45 | dondelelcaro | coolstar-pc: apt-get source apt; |
| 23:10.54 | dondelelcaro | coolstar-pc: or packages.debian.org/apt |
| 23:10.54 | somiaj | coolstar-pc: add a deb-src to your sources.list and do what dondelelcaro said |
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| 23:11.17 | somiaj | or download the source from packages.debian.org/apt -- but dondelelcaro is on top of that too. |
| 23:11.43 | coolstar-pc | dondelelcaro, somiaj: thanks guys |
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| 23:12.43 | calrogman | You know you're British when you seed a torrent at 30kbps and have to resist the urge to squeel in joy. |
| 23:12.52 | calrogman | (That's fast upstream for BT.) |
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| 23:13.41 | thewanderer1 | what files do I copy to have a complete MIT krb5 server backup? |
| 23:13.58 | calrogman | And of course, it's quarter past midnight right now. During the day you're lucky to get 10kbps upstream. |
| 23:14.34 | calamari | calrogman: throttled? |
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| 23:15.35 | calrogman | Yeah, except between midnight and 8 in the morning. |
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| 23:16.42 | calrogman | These are my favourite hours. I love getting 700kbps downstream. |
| 23:16.54 | calrogman | Our infrastructure really sucks... |
| 23:17.32 | baronobeefdip | hello i need some help with my pxe server |
| 23:18.18 | abrotman | still? |
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| 23:20.16 | baronobeefdip | yes i got the memdisk to work and it boots the iso image nicely but i have another problem |
| 23:21.25 | baronobeefdip | whenever i boot into a live cd via pxe it says that the files for a live session couldn't be found on the media, in other words it's checking the cdrom drive which is empty, how do i make it check another place for files since the cdrom drive will be empty or non exsistent |
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| 23:24.12 | pfred1 | baronobeefdip edit your sources.list file? |
| 23:24.30 | thewanderer1 | I don't think he means package installation... |
| 23:25.00 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: do you know about #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net? |
| 23:25.11 | baronobeefdip | when i boot into an iso image through pxe the splash menu comes up fine but it looks for files in the cdrom which is emptyi want it to check somewhere else |
| 23:25.11 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: not a super active channel, but they have the expertise |
| 23:25.42 | baronobeefdip | so i guess you don't have any ideas |
| 23:25.59 | pfred1 | ah he is looking to edit his root= ? |
| 23:27.02 | thewanderer1 | baronobeefdip: first of all, why are you loading an ISO image through pxe? O.o |
| 23:27.17 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 why not? |
| 23:27.19 | simonlnu | talk about bandwidth intensive |
| 23:27.31 | LV-426 | indeed, why not use the debian-installer netboot image ? |
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| 23:28.02 | baronobeefdip | i don't want to do any extractions or conversions i just simply want to download an iso image and install them over the network. also i don't plan on using any large images for dvd disks, i'll stick to the small stuff |
| 23:28.05 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: because it will look for files on the CD, not on an "ISO"... oh, and booting ElTorito images from PXE is a hack, too :P |
| 23:28.20 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 all of Linux is a hack |
| 23:28.26 | thewanderer1 | still :P |
| 23:28.37 | baronobeefdip | i just stumbled upon something involving nfs to get the live session to not look inside of the cdrom drive |
| 23:29.01 | simonlnu | cd=off ? :P |
| 23:29.08 | baronobeefdip | but i'm still searching for a clear explanation since other people have booted iso images before what isn't there any documention on how to do it |
| 23:29.19 | pfred1 | baronobeefdip you should be able to use a boot prompt command to set your root= |
| 23:29.23 | baronobeefdip | thourough documentation |
| 23:29.34 | simonlnu | thor* |
| 23:29.35 | baronobeefdip | what about nfs |
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| 23:30.53 | pfred1 | grub2 is pretty danged confusing |
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| 23:35.11 | pfred1 | I tried to run some phoronix test suite benchmarks today and all the stuff in Squeeze is too old |
| 23:35.29 | calrogman | Sounds about right. |
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| 23:35.43 | pfred1 | quickly got discouraged ... |
| 23:36.11 | pfred1 | I did one bpo for yasm but after that I was like skip it |
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| 23:38.09 | pfred1 | calrogman I ran phoronix when squeeze first came out on another system and didn't have nearly the issues |
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| 23:39.55 | pfred1 | yesterday I spent a lot of time trying to get Lenny's KDE to build and install onto Squeeze and I got the libs and the base in but aptitude hates all of it |
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| 23:40.54 | pfred1 | every time i run aptitude it insists on uninstalling it all on me |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | sonds like you did something wrong |
| 23:41.49 | pfred1 | abrotman the debs built and work |
| 23:42.05 | abrotman | okay, then guess you don't have a problem ... |
| 23:42.16 | pfred1 | abrotman so that suggests to me that i must have done soething right too |
| 23:42.32 | pfred1 | maybe not if I never run aptitude ever again |
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| 23:43.15 | pfred1 | that seems like somewhat of a harsh solution to me though |
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| 23:44.35 | thewanderer1 | znc bug, heh! |
| 23:44.35 | pfred1 | abrotman is there something I can do to get aptitude to not uninstall all of it? |
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| 23:47.01 | somiaj | pfred1: why does aptitude want to uninstall it? Do you have some dependency issue causing a conflict? |
| 23:47.19 | pfred1 | somiaj it would appear so |
| 23:47.28 | somiaj | well track down what the conflict is. |
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| 23:48.25 | somiaj | though you first say that squeeze is to old, yet you are trying to compile lenny's KDE version? Did you mean wheezy there? |
| 23:49.41 | pfred1 | somiaj no I prefer KDE 3.5.10 to later versions |
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| 23:50.20 | pfred1 | I know what the KDE is like that is packaged with Squeeze i have it on another system |
| 23:50.34 | pfred1 | and run gnome there |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | wait what? |
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| 23:53.47 | pfred1 | somiaj I am looking at the output a little closer and i see aptitude is pulling in packages to resolve dependencies and that is causing conflicts |
| 23:54.39 | somiaj | you might need to play around with equivs or something for things that depend on KDE (espically if they changed how it is packaged between lenny and squeeze). |
| 23:55.31 | pfred1 | somiaj I am beginning to think i may need to sidestep the whole package management system there are just too many interdependencies |
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| 23:56.00 | pfred1 | afaik I don't have any KDE installed on this system but the one I am building but there are still deps |
| 23:56.02 | somiaj | yea I don't see installing lenny's kde on squeeze an easy process, but kde is a huge suite. |
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| 23:56.24 | somiaj | my suggestion is ditch the DE and find yourself a nice WM youlike. |
| 23:56.37 | pfred1 | I have KDE 3.5.10 |
| 23:56.45 | somiaj | ,versions kde |
| 23:56.47 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 23:57.05 | pfred1 | lenny later on had a different KDE that I did not care for either |
| 23:57.19 | pfred1 | but i have a machine behind me with the golden KDE on it |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld give up on kde3 .. the rest of the world has |
| 23:57.58 | pfred1 | abrotman maybe the rest of the world should go take a long walk on a short pier |
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| 23:58.39 | abrotman | pfred1: okay, it's not a supported part of squeeze .. |
| 23:59.09 | pfred1 | abrotman building source packages should be |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | did you ask #kde if they'll support KDE? |
| 23:59.21 | pfred1 | I do have the official Debian source packages I am working with |
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| 23:59.25 | abrotman | or #debian-kde on oftc ? |
