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| 00:02.08 | pfred1 | I think i was just using aptitude to resolve too many dev deps http://pastebin.com/3vfYtTsm |
| 00:02.26 | pfred1 | I am going to have to go back and uninstall some Squeeze packages |
| 00:02.59 | pfred1 | it is like playing Jenga I swear! |
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| 00:03.55 | somiaj | pfred1: were you installing -dev libaries from lenny to help with this? |
| 00:04.53 | pfred1 | somiaj there was some stuff not available for Squeeze as I can recall for the most part I was trying to stay with my repo as much as I could |
| 00:05.18 | pfred1 | but I think i might have been trying a bit too hard looking it over again |
| 00:05.23 | abrotman | in reality, he should probably setup a repository and pin it |
| 00:06.02 | pfred1 | the last time I installed KDE from source it took 3 weeks |
| 00:06.05 | somiaj | wouldn't that depend on if the depends were mostly >= vs = |
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| 00:06.17 | pfred1 | but the libc on that box was incompatible and that was the biggest hurdle |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | pfred1: what about using Trinity instead of this mess you're trying to shoehorn in ? |
| 00:07.09 | pfred1 | abrotman I've considered it and still might but I wanted to try this first it has proven to be more problematic than I initially thought it would be |
| 00:07.40 | pfred1 | with the different gcc none of it even builds without some porting |
| 00:07.56 | abrotman | pfred1: i mean .. they have packages already made for squeeze |
| 00:08.04 | pfred1 | I know |
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| 00:17.29 | siya | anyone here who knows how to write just a toc to a cdrw? |
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| 00:17.59 | siya | cdrdao insists I have valid wav files but I don't want to write those, just the toc |
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| 00:20.35 | thewanderer1 | huh, why is none of those a conffile? /etc/exports, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts ? |
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| 00:21.05 | simonlnu | so they don't get overwritten accidentally? |
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| 00:21.32 | thewanderer1 | well, I need to find all config files that have changed since system install, whether or not they're considered a conffile |
| 00:21.43 | thewanderer1 | also, new files that were created in /etc |
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| 00:23.38 | cheese1756 | Hi. I seem to be encountering a weird bug with Debian and Chrome. Some letters of the text on roughly the top quarter of the screen are faded. If I scroll down, they are fine. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 00:24.28 | abrotman | just in chrome? |
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| 00:24.54 | cheese1756 | abrotman, The same thing happens in Xchat too, but it is much less pronounced |
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| 00:25.08 | kevlarman | cheese1756: sounds like your backlight is fading |
| 00:25.28 | Rix_2 | hi, how can i view by whom is a process runned |
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| 00:25.52 | cheese1756 | kevlarman, Where could I change that? |
| 00:26.00 | cheese1756 | Rix_2, Top or htop should work, or ps aux |
| 00:26.19 | kevlarman | cheese1756: debian doesn't have a command to replace hardware :P |
| 00:26.29 | Rix_2 | thanks |
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| 00:26.59 | cheese1756 | kevlarman, Oh, it would be a hardware problem. I was fine in Slackware, though |
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| 00:27.06 | mparodi | Hello guys |
| 00:27.08 | cheese1756 | I might boot up a LiveCD of Fedora or something to test |
| 00:27.11 | cheese1756 | Hi mparodi |
| 00:27.15 | cheese1756 | No problem Rix_2 |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | cheese1756: that's a good plan |
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| 00:27.35 | mparodi | does anyone know how to create Alsa plugins? I created this one to use a ladspa plugin but it doesn't work: http://paste.kde.org/460352 |
| 00:27.50 | mparodi | (yes, I tried to ask in #alsa but none is reading there) |
| 00:28.17 | cheese1756 | mparodi, You might have better luck in ##linux |
| 00:28.25 | mparodi | alright, thanks |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | or #alsa? |
| 00:28.33 | mparodi | lol |
| 00:28.38 | mparodi | <mparodi> (yes, I tried to ask in #alsa but none is reading there) <-- abrotman |
| 00:28.43 | calrogman | Rix_2: `ps ax -O user' |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | ah, missed that |
| 00:28.55 | cheese1756 | Also, is there a way for me to change the system wide font? |
| 00:28.55 | Rix_2 | thanks |
| 00:29.01 | cheese1756 | I do like Liberation Serif quite a bit |
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| 00:30.29 | thewanderer1 | cheese1756: system → preferences → appearance, I guess? |
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| 00:31.26 | cheese1756 | Yeah, that seems correct thewanderer1. Thank you |
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| 00:34.55 | cantido | mparodi: the docs in the kernel tree might have the info you need |
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| 00:46.06 | wilfredor | I havent space in /, and I can't install nothing |
| 00:46.12 | wilfredor | someone could help me? |
| 00:46.23 | wilfredor | I can't fix a package broked |
| 00:46.29 | wilfredor | because I havent space for fix that |
| 00:46.33 | abrotman | wilfredor: apt-get clean ? |
| 00:46.44 | wilfredor | I do it already that |
| 00:47.00 | wilfredor | another solution? |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | wilfredor: du -sh /* .. use paste.debian.net |
| 00:47.32 | wilfredor | paste? |
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| 00:47.57 | wilfredor | abrotman: ok ok |
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| 00:49.09 | wilfredor | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/163892/ |
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| 00:50.08 | abrotman | wilfredor: why do you have 900MB in /root/ ? |
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| 00:50.25 | abrotman | wilfredor: also, what is "df -h" |
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| 00:50.56 | wilfredor | abrotman: That is a very good size, Or not? |
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| 00:52.01 | abrotman | wilfredor: i'm waiting to see 'df -h' in a pastebin |
| 00:52.17 | wilfredor | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/163893/ |
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| 00:52.43 | abrotman | wilfredor: clean up /root/ |
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| 00:53.27 | wilfredor | abrotman: but /root/ is void |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | it has 900MB |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | out of the 1.2GB for / |
| 00:53.55 | wilfredor | abrotman: rm -R root ? |
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| 00:54.02 | abrotman | wtf .. i didn't say that |
| 00:54.12 | abrotman | look in /root/ see what's taking 900MB |
| 00:54.21 | wilfredor | ls show nothing |
| 00:54.28 | peterrooney | wilfredor: also, df -h /* might tell a lot more about where the problem really is. and NEVER rm /root |
| 00:54.35 | abrotman | wilfredor: ls -al ? |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | peterrooney: you mean du -h /* ? |
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| 00:54.53 | abrotman | peterrooney: which he already did ? |
| 00:55.12 | peterrooney | wilfredor: maybe du -h /* /.* just to be sure about hidden directories |
| 00:55.22 | peterrooney | abrotman: yes, du, brain parity error there |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | peterrooney: see above .. he already pasted 'du -sh /*' |
| 00:55.31 | wilfredor | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/163894/ |
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| 00:56.33 | abrotman | wilfredor: why have you been running X as root ? |
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| 00:57.02 | wilfredor | abrotman: gedit |
| 00:57.10 | abrotman | wilfredor: uhm .. that's a poor reason |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | wilfredor: du -sh /root/.* .. paste please |
| 00:57.26 | wilfredor | ok |
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| 00:58.28 | Funkadelic | When I export an NFS share to 192.168.0.0/24, it shares it with the whole LAN, right? What does that address actually mean though? I got 192.168.0.0/24 from a NFS setup guide, but I don't see what that address leads to. |
| 00:58.52 | wilfredor | abrotman: kiwix is the problem |
| 00:58.54 | wilfredor | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/163895/ |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | shocker |
| 00:59.06 | wilfredor | I could mv kiwix and make a link? |
| 00:59.14 | dvs | Funkadelic: it's a range of addresses |
| 00:59.14 | wilfredor | how to do that? |
| 00:59.19 | abrotman | wilfredor: you sohuld stop running X as root |
| 00:59.24 | abrotman | wilfredor: learn about using gksudo |
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| 00:59.36 | gnarface | Funkadelic: this is somewhat of a simplification but basically you can think of it as range notation that means basically "192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.255" |
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| 01:00.04 | wilfredor | abrotman: ok, gksudo, thanks |
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| 01:00.20 | Funkadelic | I see. Is that in the IP protocol or soemthing? Is 24 like a mode or port or whatever? |
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| 01:01.12 | gnarface | Funkadelic: its a bitmask. think of it like this: 1111111111/3 == 1111111XXX |
| 01:01.24 | peterrooney | Funkadelic: it's the number of bits in common, out of a 32 bit address |
| 01:01.25 | gnarface | Funkadelic: yea its in the IP protocol. |
| 01:01.45 | gnarface | peterrooney: no its the number of bits NOT in common |
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| 01:02.02 | nvz | Funkadelic: ipv4 addresses are 32bits, each segment is 8 bits /24 means the mask is 255.255.255.0 or 24bits which leaves 8bits which is a class c range |
| 01:02.07 | kaie | hello. on wheezy amd64. I'm trying to run a valgrind script in 32 bit mode, because that's the only config supported by that test suite... I'm trying to find libc6-dbg-i386 - I suspect that doesn't exit... |
| 01:02.08 | gnarface | peterrooney: its the ones that "don't matter" or "are allowed to be anything" starting from the end |
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| 01:03.23 | kaie | and idea where I could find an equivalent of libc6-dbg-i386 ? if that doesn't exist, I'll have to reinstall with 32 bit... |
| 01:03.30 | nvz | Funkadelic: a bit mask represents the bits that are not used, so 255.255.225.0 means 192.168.0.0 translates to 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.255 |
| 01:04.01 | Funkadelic | So basically /24 says that 192.168.0.0 has to be exactly as written for the first 24 out of 32 bits, so 192.168.0. has to be consistent, but the "foo" in 192.168.0.foo can be anything |
| 01:04.05 | Funkadelic | right? |
| 01:04.35 | gnarface | peterrooney: oh yea, that's right, i had it backwards |
| 01:04.37 | wilfredor | abrotman: fixed, thanks, kiwix is wikipedia offline |
| 01:04.41 | nvz | Funkadelic: pretty much, the /24 translates to the subnet mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:04.42 | kaie | ok. my issue is already being discussed here http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2012/04/msg00012.html |
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| 01:05.00 | karsten | Funkadelic: You familiar with ipcalc? |
| 01:05.13 | karsten | Funkadelic: It's a useful tool for visualizing this stuff, including bitmasks. |
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| 01:05.17 | Funkadelic | karsten: I'm not familiar with ipcalc (yet). Suppose it was 192.168.0.0/16. Would the sub |
| 01:05.32 | Funkadelic | bleh early send |
| 01:05.43 | karsten | Funkadelic: 'ipcalc 192.168.0.0/24' will show you the network/address segments. |
| 01:06.12 | Funkadelic | Suppose it was 192.168.0.0/16. Would the subnet mask be 255.255.0.0? And it would be 192.168.foo.bar? |
| 01:06.40 | nvz | Funkadelic: /16 is a class b range, subnet mask 255.255.0.0 results in 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 |
| 01:07.31 | karsten | Funkadelic: Yes. |
| 01:07.38 | nvz | Funkadelic: class a range is a /8 but you can use any mask you want.. can be /9 or /17 or anything.. just most common to use a class A, B, or C range which is /8 /16 /24 |
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| 01:08.17 | Funkadelic | nvz: what would /9 be? for example |
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| 01:08.34 | nvz | Funkadelic: 192.128.0.0 - 192.255.255.255 |
| 01:08.45 | karsten | Funkadelic: aptitude install ipcalc |
| 01:08.48 | nvz | heh |
| 01:09.07 | Funkadelic | karsten: just did that, trying now |
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| 01:10.28 | nvz | Funkadelic: bit masks are used for all kinds of things, another common use is file permissions which use masks such as the user mask or directory mask that control what permissions a newly created file has... its easiest when you remember that regardless of the scheme used to display a number its always binary in the circuits.. heh |
| 01:11.40 | Funkadelic | darn you, binary! I wish I were a computer so I could read it more easily and not even have to use various interfaces |
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| 01:12.24 | nvz | Funkadelic: ips usually look more like decimal numbers, and file permissions like octal numbers.. but thats just the human redable form.. its still a binary number and the bit mask is a simple binary function.. |
| 01:13.00 | nvz | Funkadelic: ipv6 uses hex because they're much larger numbers |
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| 01:14.11 | Funkadelic | I wish they'd just use dec because it's the easiest to interpret, even though it's longer. Otherwise we might as well use all 36 characters of letters and numbers. |
| 01:14.15 | gnarface | you can still type ips in integer notation right into your web browser if you want |
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| 01:14.44 | Funkadelic | gnarface: I wonder... can you type them in binary right into the web browser? |
| 01:15.09 | nvz | Funkadelic: the 32bit ipv4 address is a big binary number, but the 128bit ipv6 is even a large decimal, heck its rather large even as hex.. |
| 01:15.11 | gnarface | Funkadelic: never tried binary... i think it might exceed the character limit or something |
| 01:16.01 | Funkadelic | Is 192.168.0.1/24 the same as 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 01:16.10 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:16.28 | gnarface | Funkadelic: i think in some places you can even write it as 192.168.0/24 |
| 01:16.57 | Funkadelic | gnarface: that could save some time, and it's practical. |
| 01:17.04 | karsten | Funkadelic: Install a binary clock. |
| 01:17.12 | karsten | Funkadelic: Watching the time tick by helps. |
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| 01:18.04 | joe371 | Funkadelic, so do you have an application that you're applying this to, or are you just learning it? |
| 01:18.12 | Funkadelic | karsten: that's a good idea! I'll buy a bunch of physical binary clocks and replace the decimal ones all around my house just to confuse everyone. >:D |
| 01:19.04 | Funkadelic | joe371: I sort of have an application, but I don't really need to know all about it. I'm just wondering why an NFS setup guide tells me to put 192.168.0.0/24 to export to everything in the LAN. |
| 01:19.42 | joe371 | ah, cool |
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| 01:20.13 | Funkadelic | But now I have a hugely increased understanding about all that. I had seen bitmasks dozens of times but never knew what they did lol |
| 01:20.31 | gnarface | http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1351203/major-openssl-security-issue-found-and-fixed is this openssl fix in debian yet? |
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| 01:23.10 | nvz | Funkadelic: I tried hex, binary and decimal in chrome, and only the decimal worked HTTP://2915183399 you can try it and see.. should go to http://173.194.43.39/ which is google |
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| 01:23.38 | nvz | Funkadelic: had me curious about that one. Haha. I never tried it before |
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| 01:24.10 | nvz | Funkadelic: other browsers could work for all I know with binary or hex.. but chrome googles when you put in http:// then a hex or binary number |
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| 01:25.15 | nvz | Funkadelic: I think I may actually start giving people decimal links just to make them think I'm weird |
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| 01:28.34 | gnarface | its also a good way to obscure actual link locations from dumb people |
| 01:28.41 | gnarface | i see it in a lot of spam |
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| 01:35.47 | nvz | its too bad paste.debian.net rewites the URL and is not the actual URL, or else I could do something like HTTP://1311761331/163892/ haha. |
| 01:36.41 | nvz | probably isn't a pastebin out there where I can write the whole url of a paste in decimal |
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| 01:41.59 | nvz | well I stand corrected: http://3494121795/2138055 a pastebin URL entirely in decimal |
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| 01:43.33 | nvz | apparently pastebin.ca doesn't use a redirection... now I can go write a plugin for pastebinit to make decimal post urls to annoy people :-P |
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| 01:44.13 | gnarface | haha |
| 01:44.13 | wolle | DLSizeSELEDLsMsg |
| 01:44.14 | wolle | English-translated Anime[gg]_EUREKA_SEVEN_AO_-_02_[A08B456C].mkvDL488.1 MiB2139613043 |
| 01:44.16 | wolle | English-translated Anime[Commie-Commie] Sakamichi no Apollon - 02 [A5422D71].mkvDL244 MiB14711513409 |
| 01:44.20 | gnarface | and so it has begun |
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| 01:44.52 | abrotman | wolle: take it somewhere else |
| 01:46.06 | nvz | unfortunately its a crappy pastebin.. I think paste.debian.net is the nicest I've seen.. |
| 01:46.26 | bandu | debian has a pastebin? okay, using that now. |
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| 01:54.17 | nevyn | paste.debian.net |
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| 01:55.18 | abrotman | nevyn: like pastebinit ? |
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| 01:58.09 | tesla_dv1 | Anyone who is familiar with hardware raid and growing a filesystem please help if you can. I have a adaptec 6xxx card with multiple disks atatched in a raid5. I've recently added another disk to the array and joined it with adaptecs tool. The raid is optimal but Debian still shows the filesystem the old size. I've tried to use resize2fs but it fails and says the device is as big as it gets... any ideas? |
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| 01:58.46 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: what size is the underlying device? have you grown that? |
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| 01:59.41 | tesla_dv1 | what tool would you grow that with? It is a standard setup (no lvm) with an ext4 filesystem on top of it. It has been added and expanded into the array through adaptecs tool. |
| 01:59.57 | tesla_dv1 | so yes I believe so. |
| 02:00.05 | jordanm | if its not LVM, you have to resize the partition offline |
| 02:00.15 | jordanm | something like GNU parted will do it |
| 02:00.20 | tesla_dv1 | I have it unmounted |
| 02:00.35 | jordanm | tesla_dv1: you need to resize the partition before you can grow the filesystem |
| 02:00.56 | tesla_dv1 | OK, what is a decent tool to resize the partition with? |
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| 02:01.07 | jordanm | you won't be able to unless the partition is already at the end of the disk |
| 02:01.13 | jordanm | GNU parted |
| 02:01.42 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: first, has the underlying device gotten bigger? |
| 02:01.58 | tesla_dv1 | Yes |
| 02:02.18 | tesla_dv1 | it shows larger in the array (adaptec tool) |
| 02:02.22 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: then you just need to change the size of the partition in the partition table, assuming it's the last partition, and then grow the filesystem |
| 02:02.32 | tesla_dv1 | It is the only parition |
| 02:02.41 | tesla_dv1 | parted and resize2fs should do the job then? |
| 02:02.45 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: did you create a partition table? |
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| 02:03.07 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: yes, or if it's the only one, you can just use fdisk, and change the size of the partition |
| 02:03.09 | tesla_dv1 | yes a gpt type table |
| 02:03.15 | dondelelcaro | oh, then use parted. |
| 02:03.45 | dondelelcaro | though this would be YA example of why the use of lvm without partition tables is useful |
| 02:03.50 | jordanm | tesla_dv1: parted /dev/sdxx; resize 1 1 -1 (to make the one partition take the entire disk) |
| 02:04.08 | tesla_dv1 | I've read the man page, it only speaks of ext2 filesysyems, is this safe to use? |
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| 02:04.44 | tesla_dv1 | for an ext4 FS that is. |
| 02:04.44 | jordanm | don't use the filesystem functionality, just the partitioning |
| 02:04.53 | tesla_dv1 | ok giving it a go now |
| 02:05.07 | jordanm | make sure you have backups |
| 02:05.29 | jordanm | its generally a safe operation, but always best to be safe |
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| 02:05.40 | tesla_dv1 | 6tb later and 56 hours i do :) |
| 02:06.14 | tesla_dv1 | It asks the following when attempting to list the partitions on the block device: Error: The backup GPT table is not at the end of the disk, as it should be. This might mean that another operating system believes the disk is smaller. Fix, by moving the backup to the end (and removing |
| 02:06.14 | tesla_dv1 | the old backup)? |
| 02:06.32 | tesla_dv1 | I assume yes to this? |
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| 02:06.46 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 02:08.14 | JohnA | Does anybody have any recommendations as to a DMS? Most docs would b scanned document images. We want to move a large collection of client records online and provide some sort of search capability. Linux based a must. webdav compatibility/capability desirable. |
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| 02:08.44 | tesla_dv1 | get this when attempting: Error: The backup GPT table is not at the end of the disk, as it should be. This might mean that another operating system believes the disk is smaller. Fix, by moving the backup to the end (and removing |
| 02:08.44 | tesla_dv1 | the old backup)? |
| 02:09.18 | tesla_dv1 | oops i mean: Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. Compatible features are has_journal, dir_index, filetype, sparse_super and large_file. Use tune2fs or debugfs to remove features. |
| 02:09.34 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: there should be an option to not have parted resize the filesystem |
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| 02:09.47 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: since you want to use resize2fs, not parted |
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| 02:10.01 | dondelelcaro | rarely uses parted, though |
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| 02:10.03 | tesla_dv1 | resize2fs does nothing |
| 02:10.27 | unomystEz | hey all, any thoughts on ATI Radeon 6320 vs Nvidia ION2 performance in general? Haven't ever used the radeon driver before. I'm hoping it can play 1080p video without issues |
| 02:10.39 | krisfremen | guys, is there a command line google to check the ranking of a page for a keyword? |
| 02:10.39 | tesla_dv1 | The filesystem is already xxx blocks long. Nothing to do! |
| 02:10.48 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: resize2fs resizes the filesystem *after* you have resized the partition |
| 02:11.02 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: it won't do anything until that has happened and the partition table has been reloaded |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | krisfremen: you could use wget and parse the text returned ? |
| 02:11.12 | somiaj | unomystEz: what kinda of applications? My ati 4200 does 1080p just fine for desktop stuff. |
| 02:11.13 | tesla_dv1 | it won't let me resize with parted |
| 02:11.24 | unomystEz | somiaj: xmbc |
| 02:11.34 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: parted should be able to resize just the partition, not the filesystem. |
| 02:11.40 | pfred1 | somiaj but can you play 2 1080p videos at the same time? |
| 02:11.44 | krisfremen | abrotman: yeah... I guess, but I was hoping there would be something else.. |
| 02:11.59 | nevyn | abrotman: does it work with paste.debian.net |
| 02:12.08 | jordanm | AFAIK, google does not offer an API for using their searches |
| 02:12.09 | somiaj | pfred1: never tried but I play 1080p video over hdmi just fine on my bigscreen from this laptop |
| 02:12.12 | unomystEz | from what I read, the proprietary ati driver is the way to go for acceleration similar to nvidia I guess |
| 02:12.31 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: you may have to delete the partition in parted and add it back with the same start and correct end |
| 02:12.43 | pfred1 | unomystEz I just got a nVidia 520 for $15 and it rox |
| 02:12.55 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: see http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_mono/parted.html#SEC30 |
| 02:13.03 | unomystEz | pfred1: I know nvidia is good. I just hope this radeon can drive video. |
| 02:13.11 | dioz | weird! |
| 02:13.13 | unomystEz | well, will have to see when it arrives I suppose |
| 02:13.20 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: hrm... actually, that's not a good example. |
| 02:13.38 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: but anyway, removing it and then creating a new primary partition with the same start and a new end should work just fine. |
| 02:14.25 | tesla_dv1 | dondelelcaro: won't that eraze my data? |
| 02:14.28 | tesla_dv1 | erase* |
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| 02:16.32 | pfred1 | unomystEz I did sort of like how ATI handles twin monitors a little better than nvidia does in some ways |
| 02:16.57 | tesla_dv1 | resize 1 1 -1 |
| 02:17.00 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: no. |
| 02:17.14 | tesla_dv1 | ok so just do a rm 1 in parted, and recreate? |
| 02:17.17 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: it'll just remove the entry from the partition table, and then you'll add it right back. |
| 02:17.33 | dondelelcaro | tesla_dv1: though you should have backups of it, and you should print out the partition table data first |
| 02:17.49 | dondelelcaro | (and parted *also* has a rescue command which should recreate the right partition table too) |
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| 02:49.50 | Ogmios | I am running kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae and squeeze on a dell mini 1018, having issues with suspsend, system will not wake up, cursor in upper left, requires reboot. I know it could be 101 things, but I was hoping someone might have experience with this hardware and this problem. I am also using a SSD drive only. |
| 02:50.31 | somiaj | Ogmios: I would start with looking though your logs and seeing what is hanging durning teh resume |
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| 02:52.09 | Ogmios | somiaj: that is the problem, it goes to sleep fine, but it never wakes up, so no log data |
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| 02:53.18 | somiaj | so the logs end after it says 'put to sleep' you see nothing during the resume? |
| 02:53.22 | Ogmios | I just have "_" in the upper left corner and no disk activity |
| 02:53.24 | Ogmios | correct |
| 02:53.44 | Ogmios | I have to do a reboot |
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| 02:54.22 | tesla_dv1 | dondelelcaro: looks like it didn't work, I ran parted, removed the partition on the disk re-added, ran e2fsck and then resize2fs. Mount the disk, same size and read speads are incredibllly slow... any ideas? |
| 02:54.36 | tesla_dv1 | Or am i doomed to rebuild :( |
| 02:55.51 | gnarface | tesla_dv1: don't plug two ide drives to the same channel? |
| 02:57.00 | tesla_dv1 | its a sas drive |
| 02:57.31 | gnarface | tesla_dv1: what is sas? |
| 02:57.40 | tesla_dv1 | the drives |
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| 02:58.25 | dvs | serially attached SCSI? |
| 02:58.29 | tesla_dv1 | and a reboot fixed the speed |
| 02:58.33 | tesla_dv1 | yes dvs |
| 02:58.36 | gnarface | never seen that before |
| 02:58.39 | tesla_dv1 | but not the size damn! |
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| 02:58.53 | abrotman | gnarface: roughly the same interface as SATA, different commands IIRC |
| 02:59.30 | tesla_dv1 | "enterprise" class, got them cheap as dirt thought :) |
| 02:59.39 | gnarface | tesla_dv1: having trouble getting > 2TB? |
| 02:59.58 | tesla_dv1 | no its at 4 now, attempting to expand to 6 |
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| 03:02.46 | Lord_D | i need to get squid on deb6. any pointers? |
| 03:02.47 | tesla_dv1 | its so strange parted shows: Model: Adaptec ac_raid (scsi)Disk /dev/sdb: 5991GB but he partition table shows: 1 1049kB 3994GB 3994GB ext4 primary |
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| 03:05.37 | Lord_D | please help. im new to linx. i need to install squid and its not in apt-get. someone mentioned sources.list.... im kind of lost here |
| 03:05.57 | dvs | ,version squid |
| 03:05.58 | judd | Package: squid on i386 -- lenny: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.STABLE7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.STABLE9-2.1; sid: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1; wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1 |
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| 03:06.58 | Lord_D | the latest i guess.. i need to run an http proxy server. |
| 03:08.01 | kopilo | Lord_D sources.list is the list of repositories apt will check for packages in. |
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| 03:10.56 | cantido | if you only need proxying and no caching consider tinyproxy too |
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| 03:11.18 | Lord_D | is it easy for a noob to set up? |
| 03:11.20 | kopilo | yeah personally I find squid overly complex |
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| 03:12.06 | cantido | Lord_D: tinyproxy mostly just works out of the box |
| 03:12.32 | Lord_D | great, how do i get it |
| 03:12.34 | cantido | I think you have to tell it what interface to listen on and that's it |
| 03:12.39 | cantido | aptitude install tinyproxy |
| 03:13.32 | Lord_D | im runnind tails. it doesnt have aptitude |
| 03:13.43 | kopilo | :/ |
| 03:13.44 | cantido | wtf is tails? |
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| 03:14.04 | Lord_D | https://tails.boum.org/ |
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| 03:14.49 | kopilo | apt-get install tinyproxy ? |
| 03:14.55 | cantido | how many million almost debians do we need ffs |
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| 03:15.04 | kopilo | lololol |
| 03:15.18 | kopilo | *buntu is bad enough :p |
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| 03:15.41 | Lord_D | yay worked |
| 03:15.50 | Lord_D | i think.. |
| 03:16.15 | Lord_D | yup. its up. thank you kopilo |
| 03:16.18 | kopilo | np |
| 03:16.49 | kopilo | can you install aptitude with apt-get install aptitude |
| 03:16.51 | kopilo | ? |
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| 03:17.41 | Lord_D | lol ya. it looks like its going |
| 03:17.47 | kopilo | lol |
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| 03:18.06 | kopilo | just that aptitude tends to be more friendly, for things like searching |
| 03:18.17 | Lord_D | how to i run tiny proxy? |
| 03:18.23 | Lord_D | or connect to it? |
| 03:19.25 | kopilo | probably is already running but |
| 03:19.27 | kopilo | man tinyproxy tinyproxy.conf |
| 03:20.10 | kopilo | to start/stop tiny proxy I would imagine it would be something like $sudo service tinyproxy start |
| 03:20.19 | kopilo | $sudo tinyproxy stop |
| 03:20.26 | kopilo | opps |
| 03:20.35 | kopilo | $sudo service tinyproxy stop |
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| 03:24.03 | Lord_D | where can i find that config file? |
| 03:25.06 | wha43v3r | Hi Debian users! Does anyone here messing-up with OpenVAS? :) Please, if you do, answer here ^_^ Thanks! |
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| 03:27.18 | wha43v3r | hm* |
| 03:27.21 | wha43v3r | ( |
| 03:27.40 | Lord_D | ive used it in backtrack\ |
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| 03:29.11 | wha43v3r | oh |
| 03:29.24 | wha43v3r | so I have a problem |
| 03:29.38 | wha43v3r | When time comes to add user with administrator rights (according to openvas-check-setup), after I trying add user with ' sudo openvasad -c 'add_user' -n admin -r Admin ' get error ' Failed to create user admin! ' Unfortunately, no other data is provided (((( |
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| 03:46.02 | Dame | hi. wanted to know how to resolve unmet dependencies of aptitude package installations. thanks! |
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| 04:18.22 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | hey, just installed vsftpd but it seems that for some reason, when I try to connect to my server, it is not using vsftpd, but instead, it's using Pure-ftpd even though i never installed it :-\ |
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| 04:19.15 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | any ideas? |
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| 04:20.50 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | anyone? :-\ |
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| 04:25.08 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | anyone here? |
| 04:25.39 | asido | ofc |
| 04:26.12 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | ofc? |
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| 04:27.27 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | so how can I determine how ftp is connecting but not using vsftp? |
| 04:28.27 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | vsftp isn't even running (it seems like it wont' start) yet the server still has FTP access for some reason |
| 04:29.34 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | all I see when I run aptitude search ftpd is this: |
| 04:29.36 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | v proftpd - |
| 04:29.37 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | v proftpd-abi-1.3.3a - |
| 04:31.21 | TehRabbitt-Lappy | this is on squeeze btw |
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| 05:05.20 | acu | hey guys - did anyone used heartbeat ? If I have one system with postgresql some other web based applications and apache - is the heartbeat a continuos clone which does the high availability ? |
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| 05:10.15 | huwenfeng | Is there any method to restrict size of a NFS client can use up for a NFS mount point? |
| 05:11.36 | cantido | mmm I think you can do that with quota.. |
| 05:11.40 | cantido | but not sure |
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| 05:22.50 | superlinux-hp | hi. my network wireless card on my laptop times out the connection after a long uptime. if i reboot everything goes back to normal. what should I do in this regard? |
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| 05:24.14 | acu | superlinux-hp: most probably you do not have the right driver firmware - what linux distribution do you use ? - what version ? |
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| 05:24.28 | huwenfeng | cantido: yes, I trying to dig into that. |
| 05:24.40 | superlinux-hp | acu debian with backports added |
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| 05:26.15 | TuxBlackEdo | how do i change my window size for my ~/.vnc/xstartup? it's at 1024x768, but when i look in the xstartup file i see "xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10" |
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| 05:27.52 | jvcleave | hello - trying to install xf86-input-tslib-0.0.6 manually but it is saying "No package 'xorg-server' found" and says I can maybe use XORG_CFLAGS. Any idea what those would be? |
| 05:28.01 | acu | superlinux-hp, debian wheezy squeeze ? |
| 05:28.08 | superlinux-hp | acu, i am asking in #ubuntu too. this is my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/JidTZpve |
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| 05:28.13 | superlinux-hp | squeeze |
| 05:28.17 | acu | what wifi card do you have |
| 05:28.26 | acu | lspci ? lsmod ? |
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| 05:29.11 | superlinux-hp | 0d:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030 (rev 34) <= lspci |
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| 05:30.03 | superlinux-hp | lsmod => iwlwifi |
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| 05:31.54 | acu | superlinux: I am sure you went through this - if not - read it ----> http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 05:32.12 | acu | superlinux-hp, ^^^^ |
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| 05:35.18 | superlinux-hp | acu all that is already done! |
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| 05:35.57 | superlinux-hp | the wiki has just one little difference. my card is not (rev 02) |
| 05:36.10 | superlinux-hp | but it supports the same model |
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| 05:37.24 | derebel | is there any way to setup isp-style email without a postgres or mysql db? |
| 05:37.27 | acu | superlinux-hp, is it possible that the router freezes ? - I know the other drivers from broadcom were having some issues on wheezy - but you are on stable - it should be ok - unless you have some IP conflicts - is this static IP or dhcp ? how many dhcp servers (routers) do you have in the network |
| 05:37.42 | superlinux-hp | no |
| 05:38.00 | fark-red | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:38.00 | fark-red | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:38.00 | fark-red | sed --in-place=.old 's/^#\(net.ipv4.ip_forward=1\)/\1/' /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 05:38.00 | fark-red | sysctl -p |
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| 05:38.11 | superlinux-hp | my router is ok. when i rebooted my laptop everything is back |
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| 05:38.41 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, what? |
| 05:38.52 | superlinux-hp | what was that for? |
| 05:39.12 | superlinux-hp | acu, it's a static IP set on my wireless card |
| 05:39.37 | superlinux-hp | it could be a conflict. i'll check |
| 05:39.43 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, one moment don't english |
| 05:40.06 | acu | superlinux-hp, do you have any other wireless device connected and it does not freeze ? - you can go in the router and see what errors you get there too - however - I see that IPV6 is complaining - you can take that off - I forgot - there are some details there |
| 05:40.08 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, I have a hotspot (coova-chilli) |
| 05:40.35 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, I need re-create this rules with use vuurmuur |
| 05:40.40 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 05:40.52 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, the idea |
| 05:41.28 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, is config the firewall on this mismo server |
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| 05:42.14 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, the iptables rule funciona but, i am deleted to use vuurmuur |
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| 05:43.07 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, because I'dont iptables |
| 05:43.22 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, sorry.. not much into firewall stuff |
| 05:43.47 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, :( |
| 05:44.10 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, but know read this rule? |
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| 05:45.05 | superlinux-hp | what you wrote above i use as a usual iptables setup |
| 05:45.30 | superlinux-hp | i donno this vuurmuur |
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| 05:50.05 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, i is use vuurmuur right now, but need have this rule |
| 05:50.25 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, to this need understand |
| 05:51.30 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, if you understand this rule, is all, i need also |
| 05:51.45 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, you talk very broken english. where are you from? |
| 05:51.56 | fark-red | also change only :) |
| 05:52.24 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, latino |
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| 05:52.45 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, I have problems with English |
| 05:52.49 | fark-red | sorry |
| 05:53.02 | superlinux-hp | oh! i am an arab. but cannot bear broken language. hehe |
| 05:53.13 | superlinux-hp | look now |
| 05:53.42 | superlinux-hp | add this line 1st to /etc/sysctl.conf : |
| 05:53.46 | superlinux-hp | net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 05:53.58 | superlinux-hp | and then run : sysctl -p |
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| 05:54.14 | superlinux-hp | this will apply it, and then the computer will be a router |
| 05:54.39 | _V_ | Hi, I'm getting a dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot fstat file mypackage.deb when building mypackage |
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| 05:55.12 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, jeje ok |
| 05:55.20 | _V_ | All I have in the rules file is the dh $@ rule and an overriden build rule |
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| 05:56.49 | superlinux-hp | next... add the line "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" to the last line of any startup script in /etc/init.d realted to networking. this way it will always make eth0 a shared connection |
| 05:57.03 | superlinux-hp | when you boot it must work |
| 05:57.39 | superlinux-hp | you can even run "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" as root now |
| 05:57.40 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, i have this line in /etc/rc.local this is fine? |
| 05:58.04 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, ain't that too early in the boot process? |
| 05:58.27 | superlinux-hp | make your own |
| 05:58.45 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, ok perfect |
| 05:58.46 | superlinux-hp | make your own startup script |
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| 05:59.25 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, this is just a quick for the impatient |
| 05:59.29 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, this is all? one script in init.d to start on boot? |
| 05:59.36 | superlinux-hp | yes |
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| 06:00.24 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, ok thanks, I take english classes :) |
| 06:00.32 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, remember to change "eth0" to what ever card you want to make it as a shared "water tap" |
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| 06:01.47 | fark-red | superlinux-hp, entendido |
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| 06:02.34 | superlinux-hp | fark-red, use the card that connects facing the internet |
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| 06:06.15 | niman | hi my repository dependency is lost and i cant install packages how i can fix thix problem ? |
| 06:06.28 | kbar | have u tried clearing cache? |
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| 06:14.34 | lay | plz somebody help |
| 06:14.54 | lay | i'm installing debian, while few steps later, nothings happening |
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| 06:17.32 | lay | just bluescreen... |
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| 06:19.17 | bandu | lay: did that for me, too. just wait. |
| 06:19.42 | lay | howlong? |
| 06:19.49 | bandu | if nothing happens in 30 minutes, then something is wrong. |
| 06:19.53 | bandu | took it 10-15 for me. |
| 06:20.02 | lay | do u know y? |
| 06:20.07 | bandu | i dont. |
| 06:20.16 | lay | im trying to install by expert mode |
| 06:20.41 | lay | im outside... |
| 06:21.01 | bandu | oh, i see. |
| 06:21.43 | lay | http://i.imgur.com/mSPsY.jpg |
| 06:21.45 | lay | god.. |
| 06:22.08 | bandu | you should be fine. |
| 06:22.11 | bandu | relax. |
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| 06:22.36 | cantido | uses FBI tv show image zooming tech to get lay's passwords off the sticky notes |
| 06:23.05 | bandu | lawl. |
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| 06:24.21 | cantido | the fbi can zoom a 90x90 8bit gif up to 1080p size with no aliasing :) |
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| 06:26.25 | jelly-home | information theory be damned? |
| 06:26.58 | bandu | apparently. |
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| 06:27.56 | cantido | you haven't watched any tv then.. ;) |
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| 06:28.32 | cantido | likes the other shannons law about not shooting up into the sky |
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| 06:30.17 | lay | brb |
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| 06:33.37 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. Is there apache2.4 backported to Squeeze? |
| 06:33.57 | cantido | hid3: it's not in testing yet, so nope |
| 06:34.17 | hid3 | Well, I think we need it ASAP, as it seems to be better.... |
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| 06:35.09 | kopilo | trying this but scp seems to hang when trying to connect : :http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
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| 06:35.32 | cantido | hid3: I think they should make sure it works first ;) |
| 06:36.38 | hid3 | cantido: Testing isn't frozen yet, right? So if I understand correctly, it might appear in Wheezy/testing soon, right? |
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| 06:37.14 | cantido | it's in experimental at the moment, it will move into unstable once they're happy with it |
| 06:37.31 | cantido | there was a mail about it on debian-announce or something.. |
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| 06:38.16 | kopilo | oh nvm sftp != scp apparently |
| 06:38.40 | jelly-home | hid3: are you willing to pay for that ASAP to happen earlier? |
| 06:38.54 | jelly-home | will backport for food |
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| 06:40.42 | cantido | I'm surprised no one has created yet another debian fork called apache24ian |
| 06:41.46 | jelly-home | who needs forks for a couple packages |
| 06:41.49 | karsten | cantido: Have you heard about my next ubuntu fork? |
| 06:41.52 | karsten | bashuntu |
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| 06:42.18 | niman | kbar, no how can i do that ? |
| 06:42.23 | lay | i found the problem section while installing |
| 06:42.25 | karsten | And after that, I'm going to fork an Ubuntu for for Ubuntu users. |
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| 06:42.37 | karsten | Ubuntubuntu. |
| 06:42.43 | lay | it stucks when finding ethernet card |
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| 06:42.53 | karsten | So you can ubuntu your ubuntu while you're ubuntuing your ubuntu. |
| 06:42.59 | lay | nothings happening on the screen |
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| 06:43.03 | cantido | karsten: then someone can make xubuntuubuntu? |
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| 06:43.14 | karsten | Oh. !offtopic. |
| 06:43.48 | cantido | lay: if you hit ctrl-alt-f? you should be able to get a shell and see what is going on |
| 06:44.05 | lay | i'm waiting but i think debian squeeze doesnt support my old intel STL2 board |
| 06:44.06 | cantido | f? meaning "one of your f keys" |
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| 06:44.11 | lay | thx for information |
| 06:44.15 | lay | ill try |
| 06:44.57 | lay | i'm outside atm hrm |
| 06:46.20 | lay | if its same after waiting many times, what options i have? |
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| 06:50.55 | kbar | what, niman |
| 06:50.57 | kbar | lol |
| 06:52.34 | kopilo | rolls head along keyboard due to trying to chroot ssh access |
| 06:54.46 | nevyn | why would you do that? |
| 06:55.21 | kopilo | well want to force sftp-only + chrooted access |
| 06:55.47 | kopilo | so that if someone asks for "ftp" access I just give them the details for a sftp locked account |
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| 07:01.40 | niman | kbar, i cant install packages because dependencies lost |
| 07:01.51 | niman | kbar, how can i fix it ? |
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| 07:05.16 | squibby | hey guys. any way to make avahi reverse name resolution not slow. in lieu of just turning it off |
| 07:05.36 | squibby | it makes everything take too long to respond. traceroutes with resolution set, ssh, etc |
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| 07:21.12 | lay | it says it needs some non free driver.. |
| 07:21.19 | lay | network driver omg.. |
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| 07:22.53 | lay | should i fix this problem after install debian without network? |
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| 07:23.19 | nevyn | lay: what network card? |
| 07:23.30 | lay | e100m? |
| 07:23.50 | lay | i barely remember tho i just gave up setting network |
| 07:24.01 | lay | its installing base system atm |
| 07:24.31 | lay | i think i can install the driver after..... ahhh |
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| 07:24.57 | lay | this is nightmare.. why debian doesnt support non free network drivers for network install ce |
| 07:24.59 | lay | cd* |
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| 07:25.16 | lay | last time i install, it was all fine... |
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| 07:34.13 | assem` | could someone point me to a guide for extracting and rebuilding a package to change a version dependency which is satisfied but formatted differently? |
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| 07:41.00 | Seb | assem`: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 ? |
| 07:41.25 | LordDeath | with the latest openssl update do I have to restart any daemons? |
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| 07:42.32 | sivik | in debian squeeze, bonded eth ports with intel 82576 cards, getting a no 802.3ad response from the link partner for any adapters in the bond |
| 07:42.52 | sivik | Tried different versions of the linux drive, same issue, kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 07:42.56 | sivik | anyone know a fix? |
| 07:46.38 | LordDeath | "SASL Authentications failed 719 Time(s)" |
| 07:47.09 | LordDeath | I should add smtp to my fail2ban config, too :-S |
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| 07:49.49 | assem` | Seb: thanks but this is actually not what i wanted; i found the solution was to dpkg-deb -e and -x, modify the version in the control file, and dpkg-deb -b. (i didn't have the source package available) |
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| 08:33.59 | lay | i didnt know i have to use usb or floppy disk for non free driver |
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| 08:34.07 | lay | god....... |
| 08:34.22 | sivik | yes lay? |
| 08:34.59 | lay | :( i didnt have to use before squeeze |
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| 08:35.34 | lay | i only needed debian cd year ago sigh |
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| 08:55.48 | SPF | I have 2 ethernet devices, eth0 and eth1. If I do a ping -I eth1.ip dest.ip, I can see in the tcpdump that it uses the eth0.mac as source mac address. Any reason why it's not using eth1.mac? |
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| 08:56.16 | SPF | the OS is virtualized (vmware) |
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| 08:57.07 | jelly | SPF: is there a route from to dest.ip via eth1? |
| 08:57.10 | jelly | s/from// |
| 08:57.23 | Crypticfortune | Eek! In wheezy GDM3 is spawning thousands of non-starting copies of itself... Why??? |
| 08:57.35 | Crypticfortune | made a mess out of /var/log >_<;; |
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| 08:57.48 | SPF | jelly: there's only one route to 0.0.0.0 164.48.52.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:57.49 | jelly | SPF: if there's no route set up, you won't be able to use eth1's address as source |
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| 08:58.16 | lay | :-( |
| 08:58.28 | SPF | jelly: so I should add another default route for eth1? |
| 08:59.03 | pbase | I am using synaptics and when updating (reloading), it fetches all the language translations.. how do I stop it from fetching the translations? |
| 08:59.14 | jelly | SPF: not exactly, you'll have to use policy-based routing |
| 09:00.04 | Crypticfortune | SPF: having 2 default routes is kind of undefined behavior i think... you could make your sole default route use eth1, then everything would use eth1 =P |
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| 09:01.20 | pbase | where is the help bot? |
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| 09:02.24 | SPF | Crypticfortune: aint it possible to have a default gateway per ethernet device? |
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| 09:04.39 | Crypticfortune | SPF: nope. IP > ethernet in OSI terms |
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| 09:08.48 | linedash_ | Hi folks. Quick Q if I could. Had someone install lenny on a box this morning; then ran apt-get update + apt-get dist upgrade w/out doing a and upgrade first. Been sat at 'preconfiguring packages' for about an hour now |
| 09:09.56 | linedash_ | Can it be safely updated w/out doing an upgrade of lenny to current before doing the dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:10.37 | ansgar | linedash_: Umm, Lenny? |
| 09:11.34 | linedash_ | yeah; he had no net access and only a lenny cd laying around |
| 09:12.11 | Woet | now he has net access and he can just download squeeze |
| 09:12.35 | linedash_ | no usb key/cd/dvd burner |
| 09:12.51 | linedash_ | otherwise I'd have suggested the same |
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| 09:13.50 | linedash_ | Well; how about a slight change of question. Is it safe to kill a dist-upgrade in the face if it's only downloaded the packages and got to 'preconfiguring packages' ? |
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| 09:20.14 | cads | hi, I'm having trouble with hibernation |
| 09:20.36 | cads | I'm on debian sqeeze, on a laptop |
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| 09:21.21 | cads | when I hibernate the machine powers down, but when I power back up it goes through the normal boot process and brings me to a login screen. |
| 09:21.45 | cads | It doesn't restore my applications, it looks like a normal bootup |
| 09:22.23 | cads | should I look at any particular logs to learn what's happening? |
| 09:25.28 | linedash_ | so yeah; does anyone know if you can safely stop a dist-upgrade if it's only downloaded the packages + got to 'preconfiguring packages' ? |
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| 09:26.13 | linedash_ | as it's been stuck at preconfiguring packages for over an hour at this point |
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| 09:29.33 | gnugr | linedash_:see /topic, "lenny no longer on mirrors", you should upgrade to squeeze "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
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| 09:34.11 | linedash_ | gnugr: yes; that's what I'm trying to do at the moment |
| 09:34.59 | linedash_ | but I'm not at the machine locally and the dist-upgrade has been stuck at 'preconfiguring packages' for well over an hour at this point - so I need to know if it can be stopped safely at that point or not |
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| 09:35.58 | babilen | sephii: Hey sephii -- Did you settle on a backup solution? I am just about to start playing with some, but thought I ping you before that :) |
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| 09:37.02 | leirbag | hi, is it possible to move the lock of /var/cache/apt/archives/lock to another repository, like /var/lock/ ? |
| 09:37.34 | Sevet | why would you want to? |
| 09:38.32 | leirbag | Sevet: to share /var/cache/apt/archives/ with others machine :) |
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| 09:39.18 | Sevet | then you'd have multiple machines editing files in there at the same time because they wouldn't be sharing the same lock |
| 09:40.13 | Sevet | if you're wanting to cache the downloads... |
| 09:40.13 | leirbag | only if they are both downloading the same files at the same moment ? |
| 09:40.18 | Sevet | !tell leirbag about apt-mirror |
| 09:40.38 | linedash_ | never mind - I'll just have him reinstall the box and try again. |
| 09:40.43 | babilen | !tell leirbag -about apt-cacher-ng |
| 09:40.50 | babilen | !tell leirbag about approx |
| 09:41.00 | Sevet | yea, apt-cacher is the one i was thinking of |
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| 09:54.46 | terron | How can I get debian to stop deleting my /tmp files? I'm trying to use it to store some files I will be generating and then uploading so they don't clog up my user directory, but they keep getting deleted before I get a chance to upload them |
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| 09:56.02 | Arafangion | terron: You do realise that 'tmp' means 'temporary'? |
| 09:56.26 | llutz | terron: if you insist, set TMPTIME=X in /etc/default/rcS |
| 09:56.29 | terron | yes, but temporary shouldn't mean "less than a minute" |
| 09:57.17 | terron | llutz: I thought TMPTIME was the number of days and only applied at boot |
| 09:57.27 | llutz | terron: ignore me, i misread you. |
| 09:57.42 | Arafangion | terron: Something else is happening there. :( |
| 09:58.04 | terron | it's a brand new installation, just ported this script over... |
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| 10:01.29 | Arafangion | terron: If you have created a file in /tmp and it's automatically being deleted, without a reboot, something else is going on. I suggest you check your crontab settings. |
| 10:01.37 | Arafangion | terron: You may have setup a tmp file monitor. |
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| 10:35.39 | Ixium | what version should i use as an experienced linux-user (for desktop use) debian stable, testing, unstable or experimental? |
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| 10:36.30 | darkelfjuggalo | anyone understand how to use transmission bittorrent to open a torrent file? |
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| 10:36.50 | simonlnu | Ixium: experimental isn't a full release so you can't use it like you can any of the others |
| 10:37.24 | Ixium | unstable gives severe breakage? |
| 10:37.31 | simonlnu | darkelfjuggalo: tried "open" or "new" ? |
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| 10:37.58 | simonlnu | Ixium: better to know the package management system first before you go through with sid. |
| 10:38.16 | Ixium | you can auto load torrrent-files from a folder |
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| 10:39.44 | Ixium | simonlnu: i know apt-get ( am a former debian-user, but i hated stable because of the old packages) --- switched to arch linux.... |
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| 10:41.52 | Ixium | Got some new packages by apt-pinning, but after a while my whole system died of dependency-problems... |
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| 10:42.29 | darkelfjuggalo | nvm, it is just taking a long time to connect, i just looked and it is downloanding now |
| 10:42.46 | calrogman | Yeah, Unstable isn't *that* unstable. A few packages might break every now and then. If they do, wait it out and do another dist-upgrade in a week to fix them. If a broken package stops you from booting at all, use something like the SystemRescueCD to chroot in and fix it. |
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| 10:45.09 | simonlnu | Ixium: pinning is dicey if you don't know what you're doing. if you used to use it, and it's not say a production server, go have fun with sid :P. |
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| 10:47.34 | marone | Hello, I have a fully configured Debian install on a machine, which i need to replicate to 15 machines - is there an easy way to create a USB stick with an installer? |
| 10:47.38 | Ixium | calrogman: i just want a system which just works, with newer packages (no bleeding edge) , but without the breakage (NO I DON'T WANT TO USE UBUNTU :P) |
| 10:49.17 | Crypticfortune | Ixium: fedora? =P |
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| 10:50.03 | calrogman | So, use testing? |
| 10:50.08 | simonlnu | Ixium: only thing now is that in a little while (next month, probably june) a release is coming up, so it might break of have issues then. judicious use of holding packages is going to help that. |
| 10:50.24 | Crypticfortune | Ixium: seriously though, if unstable is too breaky for you, testing is also good. |
| 10:50.40 | simonlnu | Ixium: sid is pretty stable right now, but if you want testing, go for it. just keep an eye on security issues. |
| 10:51.42 | Ixium | Crypticfortune: am using archlinux now, but have problems every now and then with breaking packages |
| 10:52.10 | Bac0n | have some problem running testing... i think everytime a kernel update comes it loads filesystem modules ... fuse ufs qnx4 hfsplus hfs.... probably everyone of them |
| 10:52.57 | calrogman | You could always try using Gentoo with unstable packages unmasked, have fun with that. :) |
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| 10:54.00 | Crypticfortune | I can't say that for testing is bullet proof as I'm doing battle with wheezy's GDM3 as we speak... damn thing keeps spawning thousands of copies of itself >_<;; |
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| 10:55.23 | calrogman | Crypticfortune: #650183? |
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| 10:56.27 | Crypticfortune | calrogman: yeah that seems to be the same problem |
| 10:56.58 | calrogman | Crypticfortune: things like that are why I have a ~/.xinitrc :) |
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| 10:58.24 | Crypticfortune | I think it might have been a glx diversion issue actually..."switching from mesa->nvidia, installing new nvidia drivers, rebooting" seems to have fixed it. |
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| 10:59.20 | Ixium | thanx guys... I have enough info for now i think am going to stick to arch for a while ;) |
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| 10:59.56 | Crypticfortune | calrogman: sadly this is a box users who don't understand startx =P |
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| 11:06.52 | pcormack | was more going for the Monty Burns approach... but ok! |
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| 11:09.37 | calrogman | ahoy, pcormack |
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| 11:11.36 | infernix | has anyone in here worked with infiniband on debian? |
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| 11:12.07 | infernix | i just don't understand why the OFED stack has to be such a pain in the butt to get working on anything that's not RHEL or SLES |
| 11:14.07 | infernix | i would pay serious money to anyone who can get the 1.5.4.1 OFED release built and packaged for squeeze |
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| 11:17.36 | qwertz | Hi, i want to nat my ip addresses when they are going to the internet if they stay in my private network no address translation is necessary. "iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -j SNAT ! -d 10.0.0.0/8 --to-source W.X.Y.Z" will do it for the 10.X.X.X net but how can I add the 192.168.0.0/16 net? add another iptables entry or ist there some kind of "or" to the -d option? |
| 11:18.50 | sunbeam | how can i find what the current password of a user (ssh) is? |
| 11:19.04 | sunbeam | is it safe to change the username of a ispconfig3 created user? |
| 11:19.13 | sunbeam | the current password crypted is fine too |
| 11:19.33 | Sm0ke0ut | you can't view the password of the current user |
| 11:20.10 | Sm0ke0ut | all those passwords are stored in a one way encryption |
| 11:20.20 | Sm0ke0ut | (aka hash) |
| 11:21.29 | sunbeam | i know, but that doesn't change for the same password, right? |
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| 11:21.39 | deever | hi |
| 11:22.07 | deever | a disk previously connected via sata i've connected via usb. now when i try to boot from it, lvm seems to fail. it just can't find any volumes anymore! :( |
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| 11:22.13 | deever | how can i fix that? |
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| 11:50.11 | allorder | derwaffenss: kill -9 pidnumber ? |
| 11:50.23 | sephii | derwaffenss: netstat -natp and kill the pid of the corresponding process |
| 11:51.23 | derwaffenss | k thnks |
| 11:52.01 | Warptwist | Hi. I'm having trouble configuring dovecot, using a guide from http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze - the problem is that dovecot has moved config from /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf to /etc/dovecot/conf.d/ |
| 11:52.14 | Warptwist | And they have chnaged a lot of syntax... |
| 11:53.03 | Warptwist | Oh, and in conf.d there is 18 different conf files... (very confusing to newcomers like me) :) |
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| 12:01.00 | raz | is there a variant of dpkg -L that lists only the actual files (not the paths?) |
| 12:01.04 | raz | i'd like to tar up a pkg |
| 12:01.19 | raz | (the files that were installed by it) |
| 12:02.36 | gnugr | Warptwist:read in "/usr/share/doc/dovecot-{common,imapd,pop3d}/README.Debian" also join #dovecot on irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:05.54 | kesroesweyth | I'm running debian 6.0.4 and trying to get the recent OpenSSL update. When I run 'openssl version', it says I have 0.9.8o. Is that the most recent version? |
| 12:07.21 | Warptwist | gnugr: thanks :) |
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| 12:08.03 | gnugr | ,versions openssl |
| 12:08.05 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze11; wheezy: 1.0.1-4; sid: 1.0.1a-3 |
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| 12:08.41 | gnugr | kersoesweyth: check ^^^^^^^ |
| 12:09.08 | kesroesweyth | judd, I'm not positive how to interpret that information. |
| 12:09.23 | kesroesweyth | Do I have "4squeeze7"? |
| 12:09.34 | kesroesweyth | Oh, wait. I see. |
| 12:09.45 | kesroesweyth | So I should be set then, eh? |
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| 12:11.17 | allorder | 0.9.8o-4squeeze11 |
| 12:11.26 | sephii | raz: what about this? for file in `dpkg -L mypackage`; do test -f $file && echo $file; done |
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| 12:11.49 | sephii | raz: replace the echo part by tar -a and you're fine |
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| 12:12.06 | raz | sephii: yes, sort of. I did it manually now because some of the paths are actually dedicated to the package (i.e. /var/spool/foo) while others are clearly not (/var) |
| 12:12.08 | Riviera | pax can read from stdin. |
| 12:12.10 | sephii | raz: -r sorry |
| 12:12.41 | raz | not sure why /var is listed in there, dpkg probably just lists the intermediate paths (no idea why) |
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| 12:14.15 | kesroesweyth | Isn't the 0.9.8 update very recent? I haven't run apt-get upgrade in a week or two and yet it looks like I have the update. Could it be running automatically |
| 12:14.22 | Riviera | raz: dpkg -L package-name | pax -wf package-name.tar -x ustar # http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/howto/pax |
| 12:14.59 | raz | Riviera: i don't think that solves the problem. this will probably make me a nice archive containing my entire system including /var, /opt, /usr, /etc ;) |
| 12:15.26 | Riviera | raz: Another test for files only would solve it? |
| 12:16.06 | raz | Riviera: some directories are also legit, i don't see an automatic way to determine that |
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| 12:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | kesroesweyth: If it's doing automatic upgrades it's because you set it up to do that. |
| 12:16.32 | kesroesweyth | jhutchins_lt, I don't recall ever doing so. How can I check? |
| 12:16.37 | raz | Riviera: i.e. i want /var/lib/munin, but not /var/lib or /var |
| 12:16.44 | Riviera | raz: pff, then just archive /var, /opt, /usr, etc. too ;-P |
| 12:17.02 | wilfredor | Hi |
| 12:17.03 | wilfredor | Turning off the computer displays an error memory dump and many crazy random numbers. |
| 12:17.12 | raz | Riviera: yea, i just scratched the illusion of a small, generic "backup-deb' script.. ;) |
| 12:17.18 | Riviera | raz: hm, don't. |
| 12:17.43 | raz | Riviera: welcome to the real world, where dont's frequently turn into must's.. ;) |
| 12:17.47 | kesroesweyth | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.57 | Riviera | raz: Wouldn't something like "okay, all files, with their paths + empty directories" be good enough? |
| 12:18.18 | raz | Riviera: well, when backing up my monkey-patched munin then i really want that /var/lib/munin directory, because that's where the actual data ends up |
| 12:18.39 | raz | Riviera: i.e. ideally i don't want to think about it every time i need it (yes, it should never be needed, but you know how it goes..) |
| 12:18.50 | Riviera | raz: ah, that directory is in dpkg -L output, but not any files? |
| 12:19.12 | raz | Riviera: yup, the pkg only creates the empty directory - munin then fills it with data. same for data-directories in other pkgs. |
| 12:19.22 | Riviera | raz: But that still appears solvable. |
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| 12:19.36 | raz | Riviera: i could blacklist stuff like /var and /var/lib .. |
| 12:19.41 | Riviera | raz: Nah! |
| 12:19.43 | Riviera | raz: What about this: |
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| 12:19.55 | Riviera | raz: "Okay, include all "deepest hierarchy directories" |
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| 12:20.30 | Riviera | raz: There'd be /var /var/lib /var/lib/munin, excluding /var and /var/lib, leaving only .../munin, the "deepest." |
| 12:20.41 | Riviera | raz: What do you have to complain about this approach? :) |
| 12:20.45 | raz | Riviera: that _might_ work. but it seems tricky to implement and i'm almost sure there will be corner cases where it fails |
| 12:20.49 | nikhatzi | hello everybody. i see that wine 1.4 is stable, but can't find it in debian's squeeze repository. how can i install it? thank you in advance |
| 12:21.14 | Riviera | raz: The implementation should be my worry. |
| 12:21.25 | raz | Riviera: what about (made up) /usr/share/munin/foo.pl vs /usr/share/munin/lib/bar.pl |
| 12:21.27 | Riviera | raz: You worry about corner cases, think :) |
| 12:21.38 | raz | i guess that would miss foo.pl then |
| 12:21.49 | Riviera | raz: yes, if foo.pl isn't included. |
| 12:21.51 | raz | (if foo.pl is a directory :P) |
| 12:21.59 | Riviera | Hm. |
| 12:22.07 | Riviera | raz: well, can this happen? :) |
| 12:22.14 | raz | Riviera: who knows? ;) |
| 12:22.17 | Riviera | raz: Find out :) |
| 12:22.28 | raz | it's all rather nasty. would be easier if dpkg would simply not spit out intermediate parts. |
| 12:22.30 | raz | paths* |
| 12:22.47 | raz | those are not declared anywhere in the pkg itself anyways, i wonder why it's even doing that |
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| 12:23.16 | raz | -L, --listfiles package-name... |
| 12:23.22 | raz | List files installed to your system from package-name. |
| 12:23.23 | Riviera | raz: Hm. But isn't this information present? Would a "purge" remove files in /var/lib/munin? |
| 12:23.26 | raz | the man-page is clearly lying :P |
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| 12:23.58 | raz | Riviera: yes. actually it would complain that /var/lib/munin is not empty. but it would definitely not remove /var. |
| 12:24.03 | Riviera | raz: so |
| 12:24.18 | Riviera | raz: You see what I mean. |
| 12:24.27 | Riviera | raz: "Backup everything purge would remove / complain about." |
| 12:24.44 | raz | Riviera: yes, you propose i run locate /, dpkg -P pkg, locate /, diff between the two locate db's, then back that up :P |
| 12:24.56 | Riviera | raz: hah 8) |
| 12:25.10 | raz | perhaps there's a verbose dry run for dpkg -P... hmm |
| 12:25.13 | Riviera | raz: No, I propose you lazy butt find out where purge gets its information from :) |
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| 12:25.41 | raz | ranting on irc is the path of lesser resistance :P |
| 12:25.50 | thewanderer1 | while listing /srv, `ls` process hangs. there is an NFS mount under /srv. however, if I run `ls` with strace, it works just fine O.o |
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| 12:26.10 | raz | thewanderer1: strace does these wonderous things sometimes |
| 12:26.17 | Riviera | raz: But please don't do that. Otherwise I'd feel tempted to find it out for you, and I'd really prefer to be the lazy butt here :) |
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| 12:26.33 | wilfredor | When I'm Turning off the computer displays an error memory dump and many crazy random numbers. |
| 12:26.40 | raz | Riviera: hehe.. well, i don't need the functionality bad enough to really dig into.. where-ever dpkg stores its data |
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| 12:27.19 | Riviera | raz: I believe the docs about -P say where it gets that information from. |
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| 12:28.29 | Riviera | raz: ah okay, it's sadly not that easy, a removal script cares for that. |
| 12:29.02 | raz | Riviera: i could grep that script :P |
| 12:29.05 | abrotman | raz: what's going on? files remain after a purge? |
| 12:29.23 | Riviera | raz: well, not really :) |
| 12:29.32 | raz | abrotman: dpkg -L listing intermediate path's (/var etc.) - this makes it infeasible to use the output for a quick dpkg -L foo | tar -T -cf /tmp/foo.tbz |
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| 12:29.59 | Riviera | abrotman: no, the real issue is that raz would like to make backups of his installed packages, data included. |
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| 12:30.05 | abrotman | raz: why is that? there is a method to repack a package |
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| 12:30.14 | raz | abrotman: does that include the data? |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | judd: info dpkg-repack --release squeeze |
| 12:30.33 | judd | Package dpkg-repack (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: puts an unpacked .deb file back together. Version: 1.32; Size: 11.6k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/dpkg-repack/ |
| 12:30.36 | abrotman | raz: no idea, never used it |
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| 12:30.53 | thewanderer1 | okay, the NFS server is dead, but apparently strace makes ls go on instead of hang? O.o |
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| 12:31.12 | abrotman | raz: but even still, using dpkg -L might not be what you want .. it's entirely possible the program will create /var/llib/foo/ on first run, not when installed |
| 12:31.25 | raz | abrotman: i'd argue dpkg -L should be fixed (perhaps with flag for backwards compatibility). but i'm aware it would take 10-15 years to get that through the debian processes. ;) |
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| 12:31.55 | abrotman | raz: still not sure why -L doesn't work |
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| 12:32.08 | raz | abrotman: that's true. however it would be a more reasonable approximation than what it does now. as it stands, dpkg -L is lying. |
| 12:32.25 | raz | i'm almost sure my munin.deb did *not* install /var ;) |
| 12:32.28 | abrotman | why does it lie? those are abssolute paths |
| 12:32.30 | abrotman | pathes |
| 12:32.32 | abrotman | paths |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | raz: ah .. i see your issue |
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| 12:33.01 | raz | :) |
| 12:33.07 | abrotman | raz: pass dpkg -L to a test -f .. see if it's a file .. if so, back it up ? |
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| 12:33.41 | raz | abrotman: yea we've been there in the discussion. that then fails to catch the data-directorie |
| 12:33.42 | raz | s |
| 12:33.52 | raz | and perhaps some other stuff |
| 12:34.12 | abrotman | but dpkg -L may not know about those anyway ... as i pointed ouyt above |
| 12:34.28 | raz | in reality i think it always does |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | always is a strong word |
| 12:34.38 | raz | true |
| 12:34.44 | raz | it should be manifested in the guidelines for the future |
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| 12:34.49 | raz | and dpkg -L should be fixed |
| 12:35.03 | raz | who's the dpkg maintainer? ;) |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | raz: perhaps make evil assumptions that any directory less than three deep is not part of what you want to backup ? |
| 12:35.16 | raz | abrotman: *shudder* ;) |
| 12:35.22 | abrotman | so you'd get /var/lib/foo/ but not /var/lib/ |
| 12:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | raz: The only thing wrong with how dpkg works is that it isn't meant to do what you're doing with it. It doesn't need to be fixed. |
| 12:35.25 | wilfredor | abrotman: thanks for your help yesterday |
| 12:35.32 | abrotman | wilfredor: cheers! |
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| 12:35.39 | raz | jhutchins_lt: i'd still say dpkg -L is clearly lying |
| 12:35.46 | abrotman | raz: it's not lying |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | not at all |
| 12:36.04 | abrotman | raz: the package claims to own those files because it will have to create them if they do not exist .. |
| 12:36.25 | raz | abrotman: that should be implicit. |
| 12:36.32 | abrotman | try to put /var/lib/foo/ in place if /var/lib/ doesn't exist .. |
| 12:37.00 | abrotman | raz: personally, i'd rather it be explicit .. i don't want things going on behind my back with packages |
| 12:37.09 | raz | abrotman: yes, it's clear that it actually *does* that. but i don't see why dpkg -L would list those paths explicitly when they're not actually part of the package manifest. |
| 12:37.27 | thewanderer1 | raz: there is no manifest... |
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| 12:37.45 | passstab | is there a way i can build a netinstall testing .img for the raspberry pi? |
| 12:37.51 | abrotman | raz: and packages follow guildelines .. so finding the data dirs shouldn't be that hard .. you could script this, and you could have done so by now |
| 12:37.56 | abrotman | passstab: ARM ? |
| 12:38.09 | passstab | yes armel |
| 12:38.18 | thewanderer1 | raz: you just pack a directory hierarchy, and if it contains /var, it's included as one of the package's dirs :P |
| 12:38.19 | abrotman | !tell passstab about arm |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | passstab: they'd probably know more |
| 12:38.48 | passstab | ok thanks |
| 12:39.02 | abrotman | raz: i understand your frustration, but it's not unworkable |
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| 12:40.40 | abrotman | raz: but why would you want to back up the whole package instead of just reinstalling the package, then restore the data ? |
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| 12:42.04 | robin_debspace | Hi there… I'm running Debian Squeeze on my server and was using an SSH tunnel in order to access my Apache proxy, which only accepts connections from the server's IP address. This used to work just fine until before, but now I keep getting "connection timed out" messages on the console… Does anyone know what could be going on here?... |
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| 12:43.44 | kesroesweyth | What was the sort option to sort output of a command like du so the files are arranged by size, while being aware of GB, MB, etc? |
| 12:43.45 | abrotman | robin_debspace: your work admin figured out what you were doing? |
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| 12:44.01 | kesroesweyth | Sorry for the poorly worded question, it's early. I don't see what I'm looking for in the man page for sort. |
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| 12:45.06 | abrotman | kesroesweyth: not sure that's doable .. usually i leave off the -h from du and sort -n |
| 12:45.13 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Lol nope, I'm not trying to access anything from work :-) I'm only trying to tunnel my home network traffic through my server xD |
| 12:45.35 | kesroesweyth | abrotman, I know it is, only because someone here showed it to me before. Wish I could remember! |
| 12:45.55 | kesroesweyth | Ah, it's -h. |
| 12:46.07 | kesroesweyth | human-numeric-sort |
| 12:46.25 | kesroesweyth | "compare human readable numbers (e.g. 2K 1G)" |
| 12:46.33 | abrotman | ah, that's a newer option,sorry |
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| 12:46.50 | kesroesweyth | Yeah, the server I'm in now doesn't list it as an option. |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | robin_debspace: so retrace the setup steps .. |
| 12:47.04 | abrotman | kesroesweyth: squeeze has it .. |
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| 12:48.02 | deever | sephii: not that i'd be aware of...it's just a standard debian installaion |
| 12:48.12 | deever | s/installaion/installation/ |
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| 12:49.26 | robin_debspace | abrotman Hmmm… There not that many setup steps really… The proxy modules are loaded and working, and all that's to do on the client is to issue ssh root@server.example.com -L 8080:server.example.com:80 - that's what I use at the moment and it worked just fine for a couple hours, now the connection keeps timing out all the time… If I put up a normal tunnel without port redirection, e.g. ssh root@server.example.com, that works just fine... |
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| 12:50.13 | abrotman | checked the logs to see if it states why it's dying ? |
| 12:50.16 | abrotman | is it even dying? |
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| 12:50.55 | deever | the device node doesn't exist: "ALLERT! /dev/mapper/myvg-myvol does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 12:51.23 | robin_debspace | abrotman I checked Apache's error.log but couldn't find anything, and /var/log/auth.log also appears to have no helpful info… Is there anywhere else I should check? |
| 12:51.44 | abrotman | syslog? messages? |
| 12:51.49 | abrotman | ssh log if there is a separate one |
| 12:51.54 | rtjure | What is efficient to use if I want to mount a remote Filesystem? |
| 12:52.23 | rtjure | It is the local network, but only 100mbit |
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| 12:52.49 | robin_debspace | Yeah true, I should check messages.log, haven't got a separate SSh log file just yet… I'm also thinking it could maybe be my router over here that's causing issues, not sure about that though. |
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| 12:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | rtjure: cifs(smb), nfs, sshfs... |
| 12:55.53 | rtjure | cifs and sshfs might not be that efficient, the processing power is limited. nfs is a native linux format but is it still up to date? |
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| 12:57.15 | gnarface | rtjure: nfs rules, just read the docs (its all clearer and simpler than samba by far) |
| 12:57.19 | Devastator | sorry if this question has been answered already, but can anybody tell me why iptables isn't listed in debian-backports? |
| 12:57.22 | rtjure | I will always have to deal with different character encodings. But thank u for ur answer jhutchins_lt |
| 12:57.32 | gnarface | rtjure: also, fyi nfs speed is good |
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| 12:58.01 | rtjure | cool, I'll check into nfs. |
| 12:58.16 | ansgar | Devastator: Why should it be? |
| 12:59.40 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Hmmm… I just reproduced the issue, but I wasn't able to find anything at all… used tail on /var/log/syslog right after it timed out and also grep'd through the log but nothing at all... |
| 12:59.48 | Devastator | ansgar squeeze has version 1.4.8-3, according to some netfilter devs, there was major changes >1.4.10, wheezy has 1.4.12.2-1 (I think), just wondering |
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| 13:01.49 | abrotman | robin_debspace: you could tail -f /var/log/* if that's easier |
| 13:01.57 | abrotman | robin_debspace: you may also have to set the log into debug mode |
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| 13:03.41 | robin_debspace | abrotman Hmmm yeah, could try… Although I'm quite certain that I should have looked at the right logs, and the tail -f output will probably break as soon as the connection times out… Will try both the tail command and debug mode though. |
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| 13:04.39 | abrotman | robinsmidsrod: do it insside of a screen session |
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| 13:09.07 | edenroz | hello |
| 13:09.15 | intore_ | hi, am configuring an ldap server on debian squeeze. i installed and configured nslcd but i can't see all the user of the directory ldap. i created an user on ldap used by nslcd for lookups and i put it in the nslcd.conf as binddn but it doesn't run. do you have ideas? |
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| 13:12.50 | edenroz | i have a usb 5.1 card (cm206) installed, only front right and front left are working... |
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| 13:13.30 | edenroz | no rear, no center |
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| 13:13.30 | K4k | Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but... I'm looking for the iso to sid. Does this actually exist or do you do a netinstall and just change the apt repos to sid after install and update? It's been a while since I last had to re-install my system. |
| 13:14.11 | deever | sephii: still there? |
| 13:14.14 | jordanm | there is no iso for sid |
| 13:14.42 | K4k | jordanm: thank you, I thought I was going crazy for a minute :) |
| 13:15.06 | Kromgol | Anyone spanish here? I need help. |
| 13:16.03 | sephii | deever: I think debian uses uuids by default, you might want to check your /etc/fstab file. but i never really used lvm so things are certainly different |
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| 13:16.14 | petern_ | hmm |
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| 13:17.44 | alak_ | debian or ubuntu |
| 13:18.13 | intore_ | hi, am configuring an ldap server on debian squeeze. i installed and configured nslcd but i can't see all the user of the directory ldap. i created an user on ldap used by nslcd for lookups and i put it in the nslcd.conf as binddn but it doesn't run. do you have ideas? |
| 13:19.43 | gnugr | intore_:you better join #ldap on irc.freenode.net |
| 13:19.46 | Devastator | great, you have waited 9 minutes before asking again.. it must be a record |
| 13:20.12 | pcormack | heheh |
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| 13:20.39 | jargon- | intore_: amakuru? |
| 13:20.55 | intore_ | jargon-: nissawa! |
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| 13:21.15 | intore_ | jargon-: where are you from? |
| 13:21.43 | jargon- | nigeria, but i'm half rwandan. your nick caught my eye ;-) |
| 13:22.14 | intore_ | jargon-: hi! am italian, i work in burundi |
| 13:22.45 | jargon- | intore_: that's awesome. how is burundi? i was in rwanda for xmas but didn't make it to burundi |
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| 13:23.25 | intore_ | jargon-: mmmm, many problems in burundi |
| 13:23.38 | Chelsea | How do I fschk a ntfs partition? Fschk does only check ext2/3? Google can't seem to help. |
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| 14:01.29 | erebel55 | themill: yeah that worked fine |
| 14:01.32 | mooglenorph | oh, sweet, there's a console-terminus package... thanks. this font looks awesome. |
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| 14:02.19 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 14:02.20 | themill | erebel55: when you don't set a root passwd, the installer sets up sudo for you in that way. You can change your root passwd now with "passwd" if you didn't want that |
| 14:02.45 | Chelsea | jhutchins_lt, thanks. I'll try it. |
| 14:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | erebel55: When you use su (preferably with the - option) you need the password of the account you are switching to. |
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| 14:03.14 | jhutchins_lt | erebel55: sudo, on the other hand, wants the password of the account you are running from. |
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| 14:03.50 | erebel55 | sweet thanks guys :) |
| 14:03.54 | pppoe_dude | though i've been using debian for a long time, I have a kind of newb-ish question. For a new, inexperienced user, how stable is the testing release, and does it have a risk of breaking after apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Wow, yet another intelligent option handled automatically. <3 debian! |
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| 14:04.09 | johnfg__ | jhutchins_lt, But, of course, he'll need the root passwd to be able to install sudo. |
| 14:04.31 | jordanm | pppoe_dude: yes, it has risk of breaking on upgrade during transitions |
| 14:04.36 | jordanm | !tell pppoe_dude about testing |
| 14:04.55 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: Depends where in the development cycle it is, yes it will break, and for someone who doesn't know how to back out broken packages or apply configuration work-arounds it's not a good idea. |
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| 14:05.04 | pppoe_dude | jordanm, so not recommended for new users. I guess I may have to recommend a distribution based on debian then? |
| 14:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: The reason for running testing is to test it, not to have shiney new packeges. |
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| 14:05.36 | jordanm | pppoe_dude: what is wrong with stable? |
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| 14:06.39 | pppoe_dude | jordanm, well, for my purposes, nothing (am using it right now), but for the users I am recommending it to, they are new to linux, and they may need newer packages. |
| 14:07.27 | themill | pppoe_dude: "need"? most probably not, really. |
| 14:07.46 | pppoe_dude | i suppose. Firefox can be installed manually, and LibreOffice as well |
| 14:08.05 | themill | pppoe_dude: backports of both of those exist; /msg dpkg mdn;; /msg dpkg bdo |
| 14:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: There's no reason to install firefox. |
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| 14:10.51 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, well, iceweasel was very outdated |
| 14:11.19 | pppoe_dude | the one that comes with stable, and it also has a few bugs that made it less usable for my purposes. |
| 14:11.29 | jhutchins_lt | the most current version is available. |
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| 14:11.52 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, of iceweasel? I guess I didn't look through other repositorise |
| 14:12.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | pppoe_dude: as jhutchins said, testing is exactly what it says... if you like being able to have the latest release of various packages, and are okay with running into a bug here and there, and having to find ways to work around them, or fix them, then testing is for you... but if you just want things to "work out of the box" testing is not a good choice. |
| 14:12.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | though some may argue with me |
| 14:12.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | pppoe_dude: nothing wrong with iceweasel tbh |
| 14:12.46 | pppoe_dude | TehRabbitt-Work, there is something wrong with the version that ships with stable |
| 14:12.58 | pppoe_dude | iceweasel in itself is just as good as firefox. |
| 14:13.07 | pppoe_dude | if not better |
| 14:13.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | pppoe_dude: whats wrong with it? maybe there's a way to fix / work around it |
| 14:13.12 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: 3.5 is a bit old, doesn't give you the current gmail features for instance, but there's no reason to keep the old version. |
| 14:13.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | Ah. |
| 14:13.29 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: I don't see how it could be better, it's the same code. |
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| 14:13.44 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, i was referring to the version that ships with stable |
| 14:14.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | Hm why not just install firefox from testing rather than setup the whole system as testing? |
| 14:14.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | just like in the past i've grabbed packages from sid to be used on my testing system |
| 14:14.35 | pppoe_dude | i guess my question would be: is there a relatively easy way, with the ability to do updates normally, etc. , to set up a debian stable machine with the latest versions of iceweasel and libre office, and have plugins and codecs as well? |
| 14:14.42 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: Because mixing releases is a VERY BAD idea. |
| 14:14.45 | pppoe_dude | TehRabbitt-Work, should not mix repos |
| 14:15.14 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: Yes. You were given the links above. |
| 14:15.32 | pppoe_dude | and again see question above, my aim is to have a system where one doesn't need to worry about stability. |
| 14:15.35 | mooglenorph | Hmm, how do I set up terminus? I'm looking at the docs for console-setup right now, and for terminus-console. Those are the right packages to be looking at? (in /usr/share/docs) |
| 14:15.44 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: See message from themill @ :08. |
| 14:15.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: I mean remove the old version, and install just the new version |
| 14:16.07 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, ah just saw that now, will check it otu |
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| 14:16.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | pppoe_dude: the other option if you *really* want the latest version, there's always source lol |
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| 14:16.45 | pppoe_dude | TehRabbitt-Work, this is not for me, this is for a beginner who knows little to nothing about linux. |
| 14:16.53 | TehRabbitt-Work | Ah, lol |
| 14:17.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | so keeping it updated would be an issue :-\ |
| 14:17.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
| 14:17.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | esp if you do it from source / they have no idea how to do that |
| 14:17.18 | pppoe_dude | i think backports looks promising |
| 14:17.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | backports are always good |
| 14:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: Mixing releases is a great idea if you want a reason to do a clean install. |
| 14:17.57 | mooglenorph | oh nvm |
| 14:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | !tell TehRabbitt-Work about mdn |
| 14:18.03 | pppoe_dude | ok, one more question, can one install debian from a Debian Live CD? |
| 14:18.07 | mooglenorph | I can just do dpkg-reconfig console-setup |
| 14:18.10 | mooglenorph | debian is awesome |
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| 14:18.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: any experience tryign to figure out why my freshly installed VPS has an FTP server running that I never installed one on? lol Pro-FTPD apparently runs accepting connections via port 21, however, I am trying to install vsftpd.... but no matter what I try, pro-ftpd still listens on port 21 |
| 14:18.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | i've reinstalled debian like 3 times on the VPS... using Debian 6 i386 minimal |
| 14:18.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | (squeeze) |
| 14:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: a) Shut pro-ftpd down, b) uninstall pro-ftpd. |
| 14:19.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: well that's the thing, it's not running, nor is it installed X_X |
| 14:19.31 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: It's probably something your provider uses to transfer files to the server or something. You should probably check with their support. |
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| 14:19.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | I did a ps aux | grep pro-ftpd etc but nada lol |
| 14:19.50 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: Provider support. |
| 14:20.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins: so you think it's the FTP running on the VM Host itself? |
| 14:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: The process is not necessarily named pro-ftpd, use the minimum probable match (ftp). |
| 14:20.34 | TehRabbitt-Work | ah good thinking |
| 14:20.35 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: Also check netstat to see what process is listening on that port. |
| 14:21.15 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: Also, don't use ftp, use sftp. |
| 14:21.19 | wilfredor | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks |
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| 14:21.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: I want to use vsftpd... or is this a bad choice? |
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| 14:22.12 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: sftp is better. Really depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 14:22.26 | colo-work | everything ftp is a bad choice. |
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| 14:22.33 | colo-work | the protocol is the culprit. |
| 14:22.34 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 14:22.35 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 14:23.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: okay well nothign shows up in ps aux for "ftp" so let me check netstat... whats the best way of checking the port assigned to the process? |
| 14:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | colo-work: Nothing wrong with the openssh sftp daemon. |
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| 14:23.52 | colo-work | jhutchins_lt, yeha. because it doesn't do FTP. |
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| 14:24.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm well this is weird because as far as I can tell, there is *nothing* listening on port 21 yet if I try to FTP to it, I get a welcome banner / tries to connect |
| 14:24.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | mind you these are the IPs assigned to my server (public IPs) |
| 14:25.04 | K4k | If I set my source.list file to any thing other than squeeze I get "W: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.blah.blah_dists_testing_contrib_i18n_Translation_en Encountered section with no package header. Anyone have suggestions on a fix? |
| 14:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: To be honest the only option I ever really used was -a, there are better things like -p that are more useful. |
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| 14:26.11 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: No reason not to play with it and see which options are most useful to you. |
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| 14:26.34 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: That's not entirely true. |
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| 14:26.56 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: It's whatever specific source you're trying to set, not the fact that it's something other than squeeze. |
| 14:26.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: hm this is weird it suddenly isn't there anymore |
| 14:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:27.05 | TehRabbitt-Work | maybe it's gone after the last reformat lol |
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| 14:27.27 | K4k | jhutchins_lt: I was trying to change from squeeze to testing. |
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| 14:27.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: so what's the best ftp / SFTP daemon to use? |
| 14:27.47 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: Why? Are you going to test for bugs and report them? |
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| 14:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: I think the best is the sftp daemon that's in ssh. |
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| 14:28.41 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: We've just built out an sftp system to replace our old ftp servers at the GSA. |
| 14:28.47 | K4k | jhutchins_lt: I generally like running slightly newer than "stable" so that I can contribute bug reports, yes. |
| 14:28.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: Hm nice :D |
| 14:29.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | so SFTP > FTP by far? |
| 14:29.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | works the same way? |
| 14:29.32 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: No, works differently, that's the point. |
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| 14:30.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_lt: so which package should I be looking into? |
| 14:30.30 | K4k | jhutchins_lt: At this point, however, I'm more interested in learning why this error appears than in actually switching to testing. |
| 14:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: I'd strongly suggest sticking with stable a while longer until you understand the packaging system and what the errors you're getting are trying to tell you. |
| 14:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: There's an error in your source config, it doesn't point to the right thing. |
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| 14:31.30 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: Remember that while the package numbers on stable may appear to be older, the packages have been tested and patched. |
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| 14:31.59 | tharkun | Gentlemen I accidentally installed version 9.1 of postfix from bpo but it lacks sqlite support is there a safeway to downgrade to the locally compiled version and is there a way to tell aptitude not to mess up with postfix' |
| 14:32.03 | tharkun | ? |
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| 14:32.31 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: You have to manually install packages from backports unless you have hacked the apt config. |
| 14:32.55 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: sorry but that is not the case here. |
| 14:32.58 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Perhaps there is a module to provide support? |
| 14:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Unless you've hacked it, it won't install automatically from bdo. Just doesn't work that way. |
| 14:33.21 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: the module is trivial to add. but it seems the maintainer does not care to add it |
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| 14:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I meant a seperate debian package. Yeah, it's up to the packagers what they enable. |
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| 14:33.56 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: ok, i installed bpo as per the libreoffice instruction set. I will check it though |
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| 14:34.29 | K4k | jhutchins_lt: you're saying that there is an error in the sources.list file? I'm not sure how that could be since I just installed and the only modification was to change "squeeze" to "testing" (I am a bit new to using the apt manager) |
| 14:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Enabling bdo doesn't upgrade anything unless it's an explicit request for a backport or there is a dependency. |
| 14:34.59 | jhutchins_lt | K4k: That is why I suggest you get to know apt better before messing with testing. |
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| 14:35.59 | lasers | I have a question about znc. I want to set up znc, but the version is outdated and I can't find anything in backport. Suggestions? |
| 14:37.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lasers about ssb |
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| 14:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | lasers: Are you looking for a specific feature? |
| 14:38.04 | johnfg__ | !ssb |
| 14:38.04 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 14:38.17 | lasers | jhutchins_lt: Thank you. No specific feature... Just this. http://wiki.znc.in/Installation#Debian |
| 14:38.30 | lasers | jhutchins_lt: "Warning: Debian Stable has very old version by default." |
| 14:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | lasers: That's not necessarily a bad thing. |
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| 14:39.06 | fasta | Is there any program to record my desktop which actually works? recordmydesktop just gives a black screen. |
| 14:39.32 | lasers | jhutchins_lt: That's true. I don't mind it for irssi and other thing, but this being znc, I have no idea how bad/behind it is. |
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| 14:39.53 | lasers | jhutchins_lt: I'll use znc in the repo, it surely can't be bad. :) |
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| 14:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt-Work: Sorry, didn't see your question, openssh. |
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| 14:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | lasers: If there isn't a backport there's probably not that much that's new. |
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| 14:49.15 | StoneCypher | So I set squeeze up, and updated apt-get. After that, aptitude still only sees MySQL from 2008. Am I missing a step? Normally I use other distros. |
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| 14:50.16 | ymas | StoneCypher, have you updated your repository lists or are you still using the disc? |
| 14:51.07 | StoneCypher | oh. probably the disc. |
| 14:51.15 | deever | sephii: ah sorry, the LV doesn't use UUIDs of course...mb #lvm is the better place to ask... |
| 14:51.39 | ymas | StoneCypher, that'll probably explain the dated packages. You've got to use a current repository and run apt-get update :) |
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| 14:52.00 | StoneCypher | i don't really understand why the discs are half a decade behind, but okay, i'll see what i can do to fix that |
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| 14:53.59 | injureddeer | hello, how can i block kernel image upgrade due to apt-get upgrade? |
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| 14:54.13 | ymas | StoneCypher, http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 14:54.41 | StoneCypher | thank you :) |
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| 14:55.15 | pcormack | injureddeer: checkout apt-pinning |
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| 14:57.54 | injureddeer | pcormack: i know but i dont know how write rule |
| 14:57.59 | StoneCypher | i have to be misunderstanding. i added the deb lines to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:58.03 | injureddeer | apt-pinning: command not found |
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| 14:58.08 | StoneCypher | and updated both apt-get and aptitude |
| 14:58.13 | StoneCypher | and it's /still/ showing mysql 5.1 |
| 14:58.15 | injureddeer | StoneCypher: what u wanna do? |
| 14:58.26 | injureddeer | apt-get remove mysql and apt-get install mysql |
| 14:58.30 | injureddeer | or apt-get upgrade |
| 14:58.41 | ymas | StoneCypher, that's the version of MySQL on Debian Squeeze :) |
| 14:58.46 | StoneCypher | ymas: what the hell |
| 14:58.53 | injureddeer | StoneCypher: u wana new? |
| 14:58.56 | StoneCypher | ymas: 5.1 is from 2008, and has /serious/ security problems |
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| 14:58.59 | injureddeer | you can use from unstable for example |
| 14:59.04 | injureddeer | but this is not good... |
| 14:59.11 | injureddeer | StoneCypher: not in debian |
| 14:59.13 | ymas | StoneCypher, the packaging team patch security issues :) |
| 14:59.15 | injureddeer | debian is secure |
| 14:59.17 | injureddeer | yeah |
| 14:59.22 | injureddeer | there is power of debian |
| 14:59.24 | injureddeer | this is STABLE |
| 14:59.25 | StoneCypher | lol no. |
| 14:59.31 | StoneCypher | you two just stop right fucking now. |
| 14:59.37 | StoneCypher | you don't know what the hell you're talking about. |
| 14:59.48 | pcormack | injureddeer: GUI? synaptic? |
| 14:59.49 | StoneCypher | the debian team has *not* patched the mysql 5.1 auth problem. |
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| 14:59.55 | injureddeer | pcormack: shell |
| 14:59.57 | injureddeer | StoneCypher: apt-get install unattended-upgrades -y |
| 15:00.17 | injureddeer | pcormack: /etc/apt/preferences i know but i dont know what rule i need |
| 15:00.28 | StoneCypher | god, i really thought debian was a sane distro |
| 15:00.37 | StoneCypher | i can't believe you people are shipping 2008 server software |
| 15:00.38 | injureddeer | for just dont upgrade kernel (because i have there drivers and i dont wanna do it again and again after upgrade system) |
| 15:00.46 | injureddeer | StoneCypher: man... |
| 15:00.53 | injureddeer | look this example |
| 15:00.55 | StoneCypher | no. |
| 15:00.57 | injureddeer | there was PHP remote exploit |
| 15:01.02 | injureddeer | there was local kernel exploit |
| 15:01.04 | injureddeer | in last time |
| 15:01.06 | StoneCypher | ignored. |
| 15:01.08 | injureddeer | noone work on debian stable |
| 15:01.20 | StoneCypher | this is unbelievably irresponsible |
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| 15:01.28 | injureddeer | he trolling us? |
| 15:01.32 | injureddeer | or he is just stupid |
| 15:01.33 | injureddeer | :) |
| 15:01.53 | StoneCypher | i'm wiping debian from every machine in the office if i don't get a coherent explanation that isn't based on a novice telling stories about php |
| 15:01.58 | injureddeer | good |
| 15:01.58 | Ixium | pacman -Qi mysql |
| 15:01.59 | Ixium | Name : mysql |
| 15:01.59 | Ixium | Version : 5.5.23-1 |
| 15:01.59 | Ixium | URL : https://www.mysql.com/products/community/ |
| 15:01.59 | Ixium | :P |
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| 15:02.04 | injureddeer | StoneCypher: go on windows server |
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| 15:02.34 | Ixium | :P |
| 15:02.34 | injureddeer | Ixium: if you need paste more that 2 lines please use paste website |
| 15:02.38 | StoneCypher | ixium: does pacman work on debian? (i started under arch, but arch was too broken to work with) |
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| 15:03.13 | Ixium | StoneCypher: don't think pacman works under debian |
| 15:03.16 | injureddeer | so someone know how just block upgrade of kernel? |
| 15:03.25 | injureddeer | Ixium: you should ignore him, he is troll |
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| 15:03.36 | StoneCypher | so basically, "ditch pacman if you don't want server software with five year old critical security vulnerabilities" ? |
| 15:03.40 | StoneCypher | er, ditch debian |
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| 15:03.54 | injureddeer | he is lame and idiot... |
| 15:03.54 | Ixium | StoneCypher: you can pull in packages from unstable or testing |
| 15:04.08 | injureddeer | there is really no security vulnerabilities |
| 15:04.15 | StoneCypher | i don't trust a software community that makes these choices |
| 15:04.19 | injureddeer | i work in security/forensic and really he say bullshit |
| 15:04.31 | StoneCypher | more than five years and it's still in testing despite having live exploits in the wild? |
| 15:04.34 | StoneCypher | debian is not for me. |
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| 15:04.40 | injureddeer | we have AVDS and other security hardware/software withupdates every hew hours |
| 15:04.46 | Ixium | <StoneCypher> i don't trust a software community that makes these choices >>> go with suse :P |
| 15:04.51 | injureddeer | he is stupid |
| 15:04.55 | injureddeer | really, ignore him |
| 15:05.06 | injureddeer | too stupid to use linux |
| 15:05.07 | injureddeer | :D |
| 15:05.08 | Ixium | well i use arch ;) |
| 15:05.21 | injureddeer | i use only debians |
| 15:05.28 | injureddeer | i am wasnt hacked |
| 15:05.33 | injureddeer | never |
| 15:05.41 | injureddeer | debian everywhere :] |
| 15:05.49 | injureddeer | notebook, netbook, servers |
| 15:05.56 | injureddeer | desktops |
| 15:05.57 | injureddeer | :] |
| 15:06.00 | Ixium | i started with debian... but found a lot of packages are very old on stable |
| 15:06.07 | injureddeer | first of all |
| 15:06.16 | injureddeer | who the fuck show mysql on internet? |
| 15:06.20 | injureddeer | :D |
| 15:06.27 | injureddeer | and who dont filter connections to mysql |
| 15:06.42 | Ixium | :P |
| 15:06.42 | crash82 | Ixium, yes, that happens you can compile if you whant something more recent |
| 15:07.23 | injureddeer | 17:03 < injureddeer> so someone know how just block upgrade of kernel? |
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| 15:07.23 | injureddeer | how should look rule in /etc/apt/preferences :> |
| 15:07.23 | Ixium | crash82: i know that's why i am using arch ( compiles on the fly :P ) |
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| 15:07.29 | pcormack | injureddeer: after a little reading it is possible using dpkg --set-selections |
| 15:07.34 | Ixium | anyway... |
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| 15:08.24 | Ixium | gotta go, see ya later guys |
| 15:08.24 | pcormack | injureddeer: echo my-package-name hold | dpkg -set-selections |
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| 15:08.24 | injureddeer | hmm |
| 15:08.28 | injureddeer | so easy |
| 15:08.53 | dav1d | Hello, I have a new minimal debian squeeze installation, I need the zlib now, whenever I try to install lib32z1, I get: E: Unable to locate package lib32z1 |
| 15:09.03 | dav1d | is it the wrong one? |
| 15:09.33 | pcormack | and to remove a hold its the same command with "install" instead of hold |
| 15:09.47 | injureddeer | pcormack: |
| 15:09.47 | injureddeer | # echo linux-image-3.2.0-1-686-pae hold | dpkg -set-selections |
| 15:09.47 | injureddeer | dpkg: error: conflicting actions -e (--control) and -s (--status) |
| 15:09.50 | dpkg | injureddeer: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | injureddeer: I would expect that that should be --set-selections |
| 15:10.40 | injureddeer | jhutchins_lt: thx work |
| 15:10.40 | injureddeer | pcormack: thx |
| 15:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | injureddeer: posix convention is that single dash is for single-letter options, double is for descriptive words. |
| 15:10.45 | pcormack | injureddeer: np |
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| 15:11.10 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: or to terminate options |
| 15:11.10 | flock-_ | hello. anyone can help me with grub? I need to change my kernel |
| 15:11.30 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Never seen that actually used, though I've seen it documented. |
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| 15:11.50 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i've used it in this channel |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | tons of times |
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| 15:39.33 | flock-_ | how can I erase grub2 and install lilo? |
| 15:40.03 | valdyn | flock-_: why dont you read the lilo documentation? |
| 15:40.17 | calrogman | flock-_: Install the lilo package, configure lilo.conf, install lilo. Use lilo -M if you need to restore your MBR. Then unisntall your Grub packages. |
| 15:41.11 | flock-_ | calrogman, I've installed the lilo package however the lilo.conf is missing |
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| 15:41.36 | calrogman | flock-_: liloconfig |
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| 15:42.28 | calrogman | TehRabbitt-Work: chown lighttpd $logfile; chmod a-xo-r $logfile |
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| 15:42.43 | robertzaccour | How do I get my wireless card (RTL8188CE) working in Debian? What input command do I do? |
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| 15:43.37 | flock-_ | calrogman, Your /etc/fstab configuration file gives device UUID=4a9-826f-3c9426a00876 as the root filesystem device. This doesn't look to me like an "ordinary" block device. Either your fstab is broken and you should fix it, or you are using hardware (such as a RAID array) which this simple configuration program does not handle. |
| 15:44.31 | calrogman | flock-_: Now would be a good time to read lilo.conf(5) |
| 15:45.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | calrogman: chmod: invalid mode: `a-xo-r' |
| 15:46.08 | flock-_ | dont have the lilo.conf remember? :P |
| 15:46.33 | robertzaccour | I'm trying to figure out how to get my wireless card working. I'm used to Ubuntu. |
| 15:47.05 | valdyn | flock-_: why are you trying to use the obsolete lilo? |
| 15:47.18 | calrogman | TehRabbitt-Work: I've never been good at chmod sytnax :) Try a-x,o-r |
| 15:47.34 | calrogman | flock-_: So write one. `man lilo.conf' |
| 15:47.45 | robertzaccour | has anyone here gotten a wireless card working before that didn't automatically work by default? |
| 15:47.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | drw-rw---- 2 lighttpd lighttpd 4096 Apr 20 15:07 rayabbs.com |
| 15:47.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | Starting web server: lighttpd2012-04-20 15:42:06: (log.c.118) opening errorlog '/var/log/lighttpd/rayabbs.com/error.log' faile |
| 15:48.25 | jordanm | TehRabbitt-Work: dirs need +x |
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| 15:48.32 | lasers | Hi. I'm having issues with compiling znc. I kept getting swig2.0 replacing swig. No build-dep znc. Ran that command again only to get swig replacing swig2.0. |
| 15:48.35 | valdyn | !wikifaq TehRabbitt-Work Permissions |
| 15:48.35 | calrogman | Um, that's directory, so it'll need u+x |
| 15:48.35 | dpkg | TehRabbitt-Work: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 15:48.54 | robertzaccour | Is this the right chat for Debian help? |
| 15:49.04 | valdyn | !tell robertzaccour -about smart questions |
| 15:49.05 | flock-_ | valdyn, can't change my kernel with this stupid grub :P |
| 15:49.07 | valdyn | !tell robertzaccour -about ask |
| 15:49.11 | calrogman | robertzaccour: Well I get mine working using rfkill, but it sounds like you're missing some firmware. |
| 15:49.33 | valdyn | flock-_: why would grub not allow you to change kernel? |
| 15:49.34 | robertzaccour | calbasi, my wireless card is RTL8188CE |
| 15:49.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | no no, it's because lighttpd is not running as user lighttpd for some weird reason |
| 15:49.46 | valdyn | flock-_: why would lilo fix that? |
| 15:49.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | so how do I tell it to use lighttpd |
| 15:49.56 | flock-_ | valdyn, i am not familiar with that.. but with lilo I do it easly |
| 15:50.07 | calrogman | robertzaccour: aptitude install firmware-realtek |
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| 15:50.10 | valdyn | flock-_: yet you cant read lilo error messages? |
| 15:50.19 | valdyn | flock-_: im confused |
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| 15:50.39 | robertzaccour | calrogman, Is that all I have to do? wow sounds easy |
| 15:50.57 | robertzaccour | calbasi, so aptitude install firmware-realtec RTL8188CE? |
| 15:51.10 | flock-_ | ok, you arent trying to help. you just do that mindfuck game. pls just don't replay me if you are not in the mood to |
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| 15:51.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | figured it out X_X |
| 15:51.36 | valdyn | flock-_: no, im actually serious |
| 15:51.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | server.username = "lighttpd" |
| 15:52.17 | calrogman | flock-_: Read the manual. Seriously. It'll save you a lot of hassle. |
| 15:52.25 | dav1d | mh, when pressing g in aptitude (2 times), the curses gui closes and it prompts be to press enter, then the gui reopens but nothing is installed or updated, any ideas why? |
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| 15:54.46 | jwayne | Why would plugins not be detected by Firefox (replaced Iceweasel), Chrome sees them.. and I did link the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins in the Firefox directory.. |
| 15:54.49 | calrogman | robertzaccour: Yeah, all you have to do is `aptitude install firmware-realtek' and maybe reload the kernel module. |
| 15:55.21 | jordanm | jwayne: ask #mozilla |
| 15:55.50 | kleanchap | Will "cp -R" retain the extra files in the destination directory that are not in the source? |
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| 15:56.04 | jordanm | kleanchap: yes |
| 15:56.21 | kleanchap | jordanm, Thnx! |
| 15:56.21 | jordanm | if you don't want that, you need rsync with --delete |
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| 15:57.37 | kleanchap | I am sort of merging different data disk into one place. I don't want to delete anything yet. |
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| 16:01.06 | robertzaccour | calbasi, ok thanks I don't know how to reload a kernel module but I'll try some stuff I found in forums |
| 16:02.04 | calrogman | robertzaccour: The easiest way would be to just reboot :) |
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| 16:06.41 | _ramok | can i set somehow the default character set when connection via ssh to a client? |
| 16:07.59 | jordanm | _ramok: `locale` |
| 16:08.44 | _ramok | jordanm: it's on both sites utf8 |
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| 16:09.43 | jordanm | _ramok: that contains 110k characters, you don't want a dump of that |
| 16:09.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay this is really weird... |
| 16:10.22 | _ramok | jordanm: what do you mean? |
| 16:10.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | when lighttpd is running, It takes a really long time to connect via FTP however when I stop it, it connects instantly |
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| 16:41.10 | squisher | Hey folks, anyone here with an areca raid controller? I can't seem to be able to get smart infos out of it |
| 16:41.46 | abrotman | squisher: scsi ? |
| 16:42.23 | squisher | abramart, it's a sas controller, but the disks are sata |
| 16:42.29 | squisher | arc1882 |
| 16:42.39 | squisher | abrotman, ^ |
| 16:43.38 | jordanm | squisher: try something like -d sat /dev/sgx |
| 16:44.16 | squisher | jordanm, areca doesn't seem to expose individual sgX devices. I have one sg device for the controller, and there is -d areca,N -- it's just not working for me though |
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| 16:44.46 | squisher | to me it seems I'd need -d sat -d areca,N , but I don't think smartctl parses that correctly :) |
| 16:44.55 | jordanm | squisher: N is to be replaced with a number |
| 16:45.03 | squisher | haha yeah |
| 16:45.09 | squisher | I'm aware of that :) |
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| 16:48.42 | abrotman | squisher: but the controller has to support those functions ? |
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| 16:49.24 | squisher | abrotman, seems like that's missing, which is kinda nuts to me |
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| 16:50.45 | fragrant | Hi, i'm getting shutdown message |
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| 16:50.54 | fragrant | It's shuting down after 60 seconds |
| 16:51.05 | fragrant | http://pastebin.com/DeMy64fF , is it a cron? |
| 16:51.29 | fragrant | Is it a cron? |
| 16:51.33 | fragrant | How can i stop it? |
| 16:52.14 | gauteh | fragrant: shutdown -c |
| 16:52.58 | fragrant | But why do i get that message every now and then? |
| 16:53.01 | fragrant | Is it a cron? |
| 16:53.43 | fragrant | If i click the cancel, it appears again |
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| 16:55.04 | gauteh | fragrant: it says aptdaemon shutdown requested, perhaps related to package installed |
| 16:55.06 | bzed | fragrant: it seems to something called aptdaemon you have installed |
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| 16:55.32 | squisher | fragrant, are you using ubuntu? |
| 16:55.41 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.41 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.42 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.51 | bzed | that stuff is even in debian |
| 16:55.58 | fragrant | debian |
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| 16:56.10 | fragrant | how can i remove aptdaemon? |
| 16:56.10 | bzed | fragrant: jsut remove that crap and use something that works |
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| 16:56.51 | bzed | heh, seems the software-center stuff uses that thing |
| 16:56.53 | bzed | oh well. |
| 16:57.18 | fragrant | I removed all |
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| 16:57.53 | fragrant | http://pastebin.com/YSmj8b1a |
| 16:57.59 | fragrant | Is there any problem? http://pastebin.com/YSmj8b1a |
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| 17:00.10 | fragrant | Would anyone answer? |
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| 17:01.44 | jordanm | fragrant: no, as long as you didn't want software-center |
| 17:03.37 | abrotman | and really .. who does? |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | waits for jordanm to file more bugs on software-center |
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| 17:04.54 | sidux | http://onibushacker.forum-livre.com/ |
| 17:04.58 | jordanm | hey... those bugs were RC |
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| 17:23.53 | nimbius | Could not open /dev/grsec. |
| 17:24.00 | nimbius | anyone know a way around that for gradm2? |
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| 17:26.39 | bzed | nimbius: build a grsec patched kernel? |
| 17:26.41 | squisher | nimbius, permissions? |
| 17:26.46 | bzed | (and install it...) |
| 17:26.49 | jelly-home | !wayttd nimbius |
| 17:26.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, nimbius? |
| 17:27.27 | nimbius | exempt dmidecode from grsec rules. grsec is enforcing rules currently but cannot be operated on by gradm2 |
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| 17:28.55 | lasers | How do I compile 32bit on 64bit? I already saw the last section on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq -- but meh. I need more than that. Also, "build-dep" should have arch option? |
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| 17:29.24 | haxi | mh, is it normal that under wheezy my lastest kernel linux-image package aviaible is 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:36.44 | thewanderer1 | where can I find a database of well-known UIDs? like I want to know what UID "messagebus" should have. |
| 17:37.49 | thewanderer1 | ,versions linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 17:37.50 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 on i386 -- sid: 3.2.15-1; wheezy: 3.2.15-1 |
| 17:37.59 | thewanderer1 | haxi: ↑ |
| 17:38.25 | thewanderer1 | I used amd64 but presumably there's some 686 as well |
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| 17:39.30 | cheako | Hello, I'm looking for the doc that describes Debian commitment to have granularity with respect to splitting packages. |
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| 17:40.00 | cheako | My mind can't think of the word just now. |
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| 17:40.49 | haxi | should I rename myself dumb-guy? thanks guys. |
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| 17:41.05 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.52 | cheako | Debian Social Contract, thanks jhutchins_lt :) |
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| 17:43.07 | cheako | hmm, no that's not it. |
| 17:43.11 | cheako | Close. |
| 17:43.51 | jordanm | cheako: if its not part of policy, the there is not commitment |
| 17:44.26 | cheako | Yeah, I chose too stong of a word... remember my mind isn't working for me atm. |
| 17:44.30 | jordanm | !policy |
| 17:44.31 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
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| 17:45.02 | cheako | I was looking at the policy, nothing really stood out. |
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| 17:46.24 | cheako | Am I making things up or is Debian have a goal to NOT package say GIMP with all of it's various extensions in one package? |
| 17:46.57 | jordanm | cheako: are all the extensions from the same source package? |
| 17:46.58 | cheako | If not then, is there a document that reflects this idea? |
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| 17:47.47 | cheako | jordanm: Hypothetical, so answer for both yes and no please. |
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| 17:48.25 | Sami345 | Why there is no netbeans-ide package in the current stable? O.o |
| 17:48.56 | cheako | In fact it's like asking if you can answer my question, with only two possible choices why bother asking to ask, just answer the question twice and then I can chose the answer that best applies to me. |
| 17:49.05 | jordanm | cheako: if they are from the same source package, then its the mainters discretion. oterwise, it must be split |
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| 17:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I think he's asking where that policy is defined or documented. |
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| 17:49.48 | cheako | jordanm: Ahh, so I'm miss-understanding the situation. |
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| 17:50.53 | cheako | I though that maintainers were at least highly encouraged to split modular packages. |
| 17:51.28 | somiaj | cheako: if you want to read up on the policies check the debian matainers guide |
| 17:51.34 | cheako | For example I'm confident that large documentation sections are split, though as you said this may be left up to the mainters discretion. |
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| 17:52.02 | cheako | somiaj: That's right, I'm looking for the documentation on this issue. |
| 17:52.27 | jordanm | cheako: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.3 |
| 17:52.34 | somiaj | cheako: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 17:52.56 | abrotman | cheako: encouraged is not the same as a policy violation |
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| 17:56.18 | cheako | Yeah, that link to ch-docs.html#s12.3 is great. |
| 17:56.22 | cheako | thank you. |
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| 17:58.43 | lcc | just switched from ubuntu to debian, and I like it. |
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| 17:59.32 | cheako | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-embeddedfiles <--- you can find this in the strangest of places, but this demands that "library components" be packaged separately. |
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| 18:01.12 | jordanm | cheako: I don't see an embeddedfiles ection |
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| 18:01.29 | jordanm | cheako: or "library components" on that page |
| 18:01.31 | cheako | 4.13 |
| 18:01.39 | cheako | 4.13 Convenience copies of code |
| 18:02.07 | jordanm | cheako: that means that software should not provide duplicate libraries |
| 18:02.38 | jordanm | cheako: eg ntop upstream provides a libgeoip, but it already exists in debian, therefore should not be included in the ntop package |
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| 18:03.05 | cheako | Yeah, it's a bit different then what I was asking about. I guess I should have stated that I'm looking for fuzzy matches too. |
| 18:03.09 | jordanm | cheako: shared libs only need to be packaged serperately when they may be useful to other packages |
| 18:03.56 | cheako | Actually the section doesn't say "library, it just says code copied from other projects. |
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| 18:04.37 | cheako | Though, this would be impossible to adhere to if the code wasn |
| 18:04.47 | cheako | 't library. |
| 18:04.55 | thewanderer1 | so, assuming I need to add a "messagebus" user to a shared /etc/passwd, how would I know what UID it should have? |
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| 18:05.50 | cheako | thewanderer1: I'd allocate a specific range for 'global' UIDs that are outside the ranges debian uses for local account. |
| 18:06.06 | cheako | There are user deffined ranges listed in the policy manual :) |
| 18:06.21 | HideMe | Anyone using apt-dater and experienced "permission denied" with the public key? |
| 18:06.27 | jordanm | adduser starts outside of the defined range already |
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| 18:06.39 | jordanm | you should never manually edit /etc/passwd |
| 18:06.41 | themill | thewanderer1: that's a dynamically defined user |
| 18:06.50 | robertzaccour | is Debian live Gnome version 3+? |
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| 18:07.30 | thewanderer1 | themill: hmm ok... I'll just allocate some |
| 18:07.40 | cheako | jordanm: I'm misunderstanding you. Whatever adduser does IS then the defined value. |
| 18:07.51 | themill | thewanderer1: yep. adduser --quiet handles that situation quite happily. |
| 18:08.17 | thewanderer1 | adduser --system --quiet, no? |
| 18:08.20 | calrogman | Oh sweet, my ratio just went over 1.0 for the first time in a long time. |
| 18:08.23 | calrogman | http://www.theonion.com/articles/this-is-the-happiest-day-of-my-life-lies-man-holdi,2655/ |
| 18:08.24 | DasEi | robertzaccour: yes |
| 18:09.08 | cheako | thewanderer1: Would you further define your setup? |
| 18:09.17 | cheako | How is /etc/passwd shared? |
| 18:09.36 | themill | thewanderer1: that's what /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst does, yes. |
| 18:09.41 | thewanderer1 | cheako: NFS server, NFS client, same passwd |
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| 18:09.48 | robertzaccour | DasEi, Oh ok cool. If I can get my wireless working I might use it as default, but then again the Mint rolling release sounds good also. |
| 18:10.08 | cheako | wow, that's hard core. /etc on an NFS mount? |
| 18:10.14 | DasEi | robertzaccour: vm's are your friend to play around |
| 18:10.19 | thewanderer1 | cheako: diskless machines |
| 18:10.38 | cheako | In that case you can just let dpkg run, the first package to add a user will be the last. |
| 18:10.39 | robertzaccour | DasEi, I normally use live sessions for testing hardware |
| 18:11.09 | thewanderer1 | cheako: yeah well, I just have to keep the passwds in sync and the server doesn't have dbus, for example |
| 18:11.20 | DasEi | least usb to safe saw and disks, nor ? |
| 18:11.21 | cheako | thewanderer1: Well, yeah for diskless everything is remote... But I guess my WTF comes from having /etc shared among hosts. |
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| 18:11.39 | cheako | Think about things like /etc/hostname for one. |
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| 18:11.52 | thewanderer1 | cheako: hostnames are fully dynamic, I've already taken care of that |
| 18:12.11 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds like ajob for NIS. |
| 18:12.23 | thewanderer1 | I resigned from using LDAP and MySQL for that just yesterday |
| 18:12.33 | cheako | thewanderer1: Your not using a shared folder for /etc, you are just cloning the passwd file? |
| 18:12.51 | cheako | I'd use rsync to do bi-directional mirroring. |
| 18:12.53 | thewanderer1 | cheako: I just copy passwd between server and client, yes |
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| 18:13.11 | thewanderer1 | but it's shared among clients, in a poor-man's-NIS fashion |
| 18:13.29 | cheako | thewanderer1: Yeah, that's good. The way you said that the password file was the "SAME" I was thinking that they shared a single inode. |
| 18:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You might look into actually using NIS, it's a rather good system and does more than just passwords. Besides which, it provides tools for remote updates - you can change your password on one box, it will replicate to all. |
| 18:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You can change it on a client and it updates the master. |
| 18:14.46 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I'm not going to use NIS for passwords, ever. NSS yes, PAM over NIS sounds like the most insecure thing in the world |
| 18:14.47 | calrogman | jordanm: You should never manually edit the passwd file unless you're a BSD user in which case it's standard fare. |
| 18:15.06 | cheako | thewanderer1: I recommend using NIS also. The solution you have dosn't scale... unless you are using something like puppet. |
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| 18:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Well, it depends on your network. |
| 18:15.38 | cheako | thewanderer1: It's not :) |
| 18:15.49 | thewanderer1 | cheako: I thought NIS used plaintext? |
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| 18:16.11 | thewanderer1 | my network tops at 10 hosts :P |
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| 18:16.28 | riex | Hello. I have just installed mysql on my debian server, but when I am typing "mysql" and trying to connect to the mysql service, i got this error: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 18:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | We've got around fifty on the NIS |
| 18:16.45 | cheako | thewanderer1: Password auth is secured, IIRC. The hash never leaves the nis master and slaves. |
| 18:16.49 | thewanderer1 | riex: use -p flag |
| 18:17.11 | thewanderer1 | cheako: hmm well, I'm using krb5 at the moment with PAM, so kind of a moot point I guess |
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| 18:17.22 | jhutchins_lt | riex: check out the readme.debian files for mysql server. |
| 18:17.44 | cheako | thewanderer1: I was going to say to use krb. So, yeah use NIS. |
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| 18:18.10 | riex | thewanderer1: I already did, but after i log out and trying typing mysql again, i got the same issue again. The mysql server must be auto connected, if you understand :p |
| 18:18.23 | thewanderer1 | I tried LDAP, it was horrible. then libnss-mysql, a bit better but slightly spammy in the logs. so I'm not sure I want to try networking NSS lookups again :/ |
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| 18:19.12 | cheako | thewanderer1: http://snap.nlc.dcccd.edu/reference/sysadmin/julian/ch05/107-109.html |
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| 18:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | riex: So your idea is to use the root account with no password for this instead of reading how to do it. |
| 18:19.32 | cheako | I guess you have to make sure you are using NIS+, but it looks secure to me at first glance. |
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| 18:19.59 | thewanderer1 | cheako: thanks for the link, it made me completely sure I want to write a script for merging passwd files instead of using NIS :) |
| 18:20.05 | bensons | NIS+ is just a pita |
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| 18:20.53 | cheako | thewanderer1: What part specifically? |
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| 18:21.15 | thewanderer1 | cheako: oak.ESG.Eng.sun.COM.:DES:unix.oak@ESG.Eng.sun.COM:5c8349c1eØ this one. |
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| 18:22.23 | thewanderer1 | if it has anything like a hierarchy, "vendors", OIDs... it's out :P |
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| 18:23.21 | slightly | is "http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Double_boot_-_Mac_OS_X_.26_Debian" the generally recommended way to install on my macbook (pro 5,5 (OS X 10.6.8)) |
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| 18:24.23 | cheako | thewanderer1: Looks liek a krb principal name to me... cname: contains the fully qualified credential name of an NIS+ principal. |
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| 18:25.01 | thewanderer1 | oh well |
| 18:25.25 | thewanderer1 | I'll keep merging passwd files till it becomes unviable, then go to NIS |
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| 18:28.37 | thewanderer1 | say, would I avoid this principal mess with just plain NIS? |
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| 18:29.31 | cheako | thewanderer1: You avoid NIS+ principal when you use krb principal. |
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| 18:30.31 | cheako | and Yes, NIS uses just a shadow table... That never is sent to the clients. |
| 18:30.35 | thewanderer1 | okay, so I can just use NIS for NSS and krb5 for actual auth? |
| 18:30.44 | cheako | Yup. |
| 18:30.49 | thewanderer1 | great |
| 18:31.18 | thewanderer1 | not that UID syncing would be any more pleasant with NIS |
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| 18:32.00 | cheako | thewanderer1: Yeah, there was actually a bug regarding that not too long ago. |
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| 18:33.07 | cheako | I loved having root account that ran csh and a toor account that ran bash. Both accounts would be UID 0 and this was a vary common practice back when bash could have been the 'thing needing root to fix'. |
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| 18:34.03 | bensons | bash to fix root? pardon? |
| 18:34.03 | cheako | As this is not so common any more it was discovered that recent versions of PAM plain can't grawk this at all, at least when using LDAP. |
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| 18:34.28 | cheako | bensons: root to fix bash, say if bash segfaults. |
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| 18:34.40 | thewanderer1 | fortunately, I'm not using LDAP for authentication |
| 18:34.54 | bensons | cheako: ah ok, my bad :) |
| 18:34.59 | cheako | bensons: You'd normally login as toor to get a nice bash shell, but root was your I'm here to fix things. |
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| 18:35.45 | bensons | :) |
| 18:35.47 | K4k | Fresh install of Debian 6, in Gnome desktop under System it appears some options are missing. Aren't there supposed to be options for Preferences and Administration? |
| 18:35.51 | bensons | csh ++ :) |
| 18:36.07 | thewanderer1 | well how about c++sh :P |
| 18:36.46 | cheako | This also gave admins a choice to have a preferred shell. |
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| 18:49.29 | robertzaccour | does Debian have a rolling release version? |
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| 18:55.29 | livtyler | how to disable selinux? I don't have any of the files mentioned in the dox |
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| 18:56.33 | Warptwist | I'm trying to remove 2 packages from my box, but get these errors, can anyone help |
| 18:56.36 | Warptwist | http://pastebin.com/index/yrM6mPCS |
| 18:56.36 | scientes | livtyler, debian doesn't enable selinux by default |
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| 18:59.28 | herbyCologne | robertzaccour: No, see http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 19:08.21 | jelly-home | Warptwist: what happens if you follow dpkg's advice? |
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| 19:11.10 | Warptwist | ypu mean dpkg --purge dovecot-pop3d dovecot-imapd? |
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| 19:13.07 | jelly-home | Warptwist: I mean the "you should reinstall it before attempting a removal" bit |
| 19:14.00 | Warptwist | I tried that with apt-get install --reinstall dovecot-pop3d dovecot-imapd... it gave the bottom most response |
| 19:14.27 | jelly-home | Warptwist: skip the "--reinstall" option, just let it try and install the packages |
| 19:14.37 | jelly-home | Warptwist: which Debian release is this? |
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| 19:15.43 | Warptwist | here is the one without --reinstall: http://pastebin.com/LWL0d9uW The release is sid |
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| 19:18.01 | jelly-home | ,versions dovecot-imapd --arch amd64 |
| 19:18.02 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on amd64 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; sid: 1:2.0.18-1; wheezy: 1:2.0.18-1; experimental: 1:2.1.4-1 |
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| 19:18.58 | lcc | is there a src cd I can download that contains the full src for CD-1, or do I have to download the entire set? |
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| 19:19.07 | lcc | is there a way to create one myself? |
| 19:20.01 | Warptwist | the version should be correct. |
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| 19:20.07 | jelly-home | Warptwist: please pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 dovecot\* | grep ^.i |
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| 19:20.47 | lcc | src-cd-1 does not contain the src for cd1 |
| 19:20.59 | Warptwist | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/S6ysCAN8 |
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| 19:21.54 | Xtreme666 | hello guys |
| 19:22.00 | jelly-home | Warptwist: the postinst scripts are trying to start the service, but for some reason the configuration seems to point to nonexistent binaries. This may be caused by a failed upgrade. I guess you could work around it by commenting out invoke-rc.d lines in relevant /var/lib/dpkg/info/package-name-here.postinst files |
| 19:22.07 | Xtreme666 | i am new to debian and i am trying to install it using netinstall versin |
| 19:22.10 | Xtreme666 | 180mb one. |
| 19:22.23 | Xtreme666 | well the problem is, when i go to installation, it asks me for a driver.. |
| 19:22.37 | Xtreme666 | and when asks me for WEP key, but my network is wka |
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| 19:22.39 | Xtreme666 | wpa* |
| 19:22.43 | Xtreme666 | what can i do? |
| 19:22.49 | jelly-home | !tell Xtreme666 about kmuto |
| 19:22.59 | Warptwist | jelly-home: will this work when trying to install the same packages that gives me the errors? |
| 19:23.30 | Xtreme666 | kmuto? |
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| 19:23.49 | Xtreme666 | !kmuto |
| 19:23.50 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 19:23.50 | jelly-home | Xtreme666: read what dpkg, the bot, tells you in the prviate message. That modified installer seems to have WPA support. I have not tested whether it works. |
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| 19:24.49 | jelly-home | Warptwist: uh... try it and see? |
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| 19:25.53 | jelly-home | Warptwist: you're meant to modify the postinst script and try to let the same package finish its configuration, using dpkg --configure packagename or dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:25.54 | Xtreme666 | jelly-home: it is suppose to download all the new pakages during installtion right? |
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| 19:26.09 | jelly-home | Xtreme666: that's what an installer image does, yes |
| 19:26.28 | Xtreme666 | what if i use a live disc for installation? |
| 19:26.50 | jelly-home | I have no idea, read the installation guide them |
| 19:27.08 | jelly-home | Xtreme666: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:27.56 | wodemaye_ | how can i upgrade to the latest iceweasel without disturbing anything else? |
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| 19:29.00 | _ramok | how can i create a "web user" ? |
| 19:29.03 | _ramok | for apache 2? |
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| 19:30.02 | Warptwist | jelly-home: what would happen if I removed the postinst files? |
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| 19:30.16 | sephii | _ramok: what do you mean by a web user? |
| 19:30.19 | waldvogel | has seen debian for the first time showing colors with boot messages (must be new in sid...) |
| 19:30.39 | jelly-home | Warptwist: the may be some leftover cruft after removing the packages |
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| 19:31.19 | jelly-home | Warptwist: you can also put "exit 0" on top of them (well, on the second line) |
| 19:31.27 | _ramok | sephii: i user that can read/write into /var/www (dcument root apache2) |
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| 19:32.00 | waldvogel | great... the nvidia lag seems to be gone too :) |
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| 19:32.27 | DasEi | waldvogel: squeeze is fine, too, specs of the box ? |
| 19:32.32 | sephii | _ramok: just use useradd |
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| 19:32.51 | waldvogel | DasEi: it's a macbook pro 5.1 |
| 19:32.59 | _ramok | sephii: but when i do this, i get: You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 19:33.16 | DasEi | waldvogel: so no problem with weak hardware |
| 19:33.22 | _ramok | i've configured a vhost like http://pastebin.com/TxGX1KPD |
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| 19:33.55 | waldvogel | DasEi: no, it was the lateest nvidia driver that caused that. they apparently fixed the security hole to hastily |
| 19:34.01 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 19:34.14 | Innocentus | I am connected to internet via mobile phone (modem) |
| 19:34.26 | Innocentus | now I want to be able to connect to my ip adress over internet |
| 19:34.36 | Innocentus | to an http server (port 80) |
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| 19:34.43 | Innocentus | is this possible or are modems filterred? |
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| 19:34.57 | DasEi | Innocentus: it is, set up a dyndns |
| 19:35.06 | sephii | _ramok: did it work before you used suexec? |
| 19:35.26 | jordanm | Innocentus: there is likely inbound filtering on a mobile network |
| 19:35.31 | _ramok | sephii: i used suexec before |
| 19:35.41 | _ramok | i just used now capistrano for deployment and the structure is different |
| 19:35.41 | Innocentus | Do I need dyndns? When I try to access the public ip address, I cannot get any connection |
| 19:35.51 | Warptwist | jelly-home: It look like putting exit 0 on the second line works, if I do it in postinst. postrm and prerm... |
| 19:35.52 | Innocentus | jordanm: are there alternatives? |
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| 19:36.03 | sephii | _ramok: what's the chmod of your /var/www/xxx directory? |
| 19:36.05 | jordanm | Innocentus: I don't know much about mobile connections, but I wouldn't be suprised if you ip changes constantly either |
| 19:36.11 | DasEi | Innocentus: also what does connect mean ? temporarly can over ssh, if just for that purpose |
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| 19:36.29 | _ramok | sephii: it's 755 |
| 19:36.32 | _ramok | 775 |
| 19:36.32 | sh4ring4n | hey, where should I add a library in debian? |
| 19:36.35 | jelly-home | Warptwist: don't do it for {pre,post}rm if you don't have to, that will definitely leave some cruft on your system |
| 19:36.49 | Innocentus | jordanm / DasEi: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ |
| 19:37.23 | DasEi | Innocentus: what happens if you tunnel over a proxy and try to ssh back in ? |
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| 19:37.55 | Innocentus | DasEi: I would have to use my VServer - but port 80 is already used their - by the VServer |
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| 19:38.02 | Innocentus | DasEi: I have to allow port 80 |
| 19:38.03 | calrogman | It's like googleing "google". It breaks the internet. |
| 19:38.11 | sephii | _ramok: try to su as www-data and cd to /var/www/ib/docs/current |
| 19:38.24 | DasEi | Innocentus: that wouldn't drop other requests |
| 19:39.08 | Innocentus | Inbound requests are needed to respond to the clients of VServer? |
| 19:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.15 | Innocentus | DasEi: I need to selectively bind - how? |
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| 19:39.40 | DasEi | Innocentus: if you got port 80 open, can also f.i. have ssh coming in there |
| 19:42.50 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 19:43.02 | sephii | jhutchins_lt: it's a valid user on systems that have apache installed |
| 19:43.16 | zmitya | I'm playing with LXC under a squeeze with a custom 3.2 kernel.. |
| 19:43.31 | zmitya | when I want to start my container I get this: http://pastebin.com/FQxKEMGx |
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| 19:43.47 | zmitya | why I don't have memory.memsw.limit_in_bytes in my cgroup ? |
| 19:44.11 | zmitya | does anybody have idea ? |
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| 19:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | sephii: That's true of lenny but not of all systems. |
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| 19:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | sephii: I presume it applies to squeeze as well, but not all systems run apache as a user with a login shell. |
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| 19:46.32 | Warptwist | jelly-home: It all worked out... thank for all your help :) |
| 19:46.41 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 19:46.56 | sephii | jhutchins_lt: nope, but you can still invoke su with -s. I've been running apache on my Debian server for the last 6 years and I always had the www-data user available |
| 19:47.10 | jelly-home | Warptwist: this is normal occurence for sid -- you're expected to fix things yourself, and file bug reports when they fail |
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| 19:48.08 | sunbeam | where are the (hashed passwords of debian users stored) I need to change pass of one but want to change it back if its wrong |
| 19:48.34 | cheese1756 | Why not just use passwd? |
| 19:49.05 | sunbeam | because i dont know what the current password is |
| 19:49.14 | cheese1756 | Do you have access to the root account? |
| 19:49.17 | damacus | /etc/shadow |
| 19:49.22 | sunbeam | and i like to be able to set it back in case ispconfig makes probs about users they created that changed passwords |
| 19:49.25 | sunbeam | cheese1756: yes |
| 19:49.27 | thewanderer1 | K4k: sunbeam /etc/shadow. it is also backed up in /var/backups automatically |
| 19:49.31 | sunbeam | thanks |
| 19:49.33 | cheese1756 | Then passwd should work, I think |
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| 19:52.04 | sunbeam | web7:!:15412:0:99999:7::: |
| 19:52.07 | sunbeam | is what it says now |
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| 19:56.34 | _ramok | does anyone know how to move the .htacces rewrite conditions into apache vhos file? |
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| 19:58.30 | sephii | _ramok: just move them from your .htaccess file to your <VirtualHost> section |
| 19:59.01 | _ramok | sephii: you think that works? |
| 19:59.09 | _ramok | i thought in vhost it has to look somehow different |
| 20:00.03 | thewanderer1 | nope :P |
| 20:00.04 | sephii | _ramok: no, it's exactly the same. check the mod_rewrite documentation on the Apache website for more info |
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| 20:00.40 | _ramok | sephii: let me try it |
| 20:00.55 | Joestar79 | hi all |
| 20:01.15 | Joestar79 | is there any way to tell how a service was started? |
| 20:01.39 | Joestar79 | let me explain better. I thought I was using Upstart to start nginx and uWSGI |
| 20:02.10 | Joestar79 | but as soon as I enter sudo service nginx restart/stop |
| 20:02.43 | Joestar79 | it says: stop: Unknown instance: |
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| 20:05.16 | wodemaye_ | Can someone help me figure ouut why my mic doesn't work? |
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| 20:05.43 | wodemaye_ | i don't know what information nis good to provide but i can do whatever diagnostic things you need. |
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| 20:22.43 | abrotman | Joestar79: you're using Upstart in Debian ? |
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| 20:23.15 | sunbeam | I mounted some dir with sshfs in => drwx--x--- 1 sunbeam 5006 4096 Apr 15 14:08 mounts |
| 20:23.18 | sunbeam | but its not accessible in ftp |
| 20:23.18 | sunbeam | any clue how come? |
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| 20:24.20 | jackbrownhf | What do you guys think about linux Mint Debian ?= |
| 20:24.47 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: they have their own channel for thinking they are great |
| 20:24.55 | ompaul | !mint |
| 20:24.55 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:25.19 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: we don't do polls of other distros, rather disruptive |
| 20:25.20 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: what's wrong in Mint Debian? do u prefer Just Debian? |
| 20:25.47 | bensons | troll? |
| 20:25.49 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: hint the conversation is over ... |
| 20:26.30 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: ok i got what you mean, i'm a linux mint ubuntu user , what will i gain switching to Debian ? |
| 20:26.57 | bensons | jackbrownhf: for a workstation? nothing. |
| 20:27.19 | jackbrownhf | bensons: i use it on my laptop |
| 20:27.35 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: install squeeze see what you think |
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| 20:28.09 | bensons | jackbrownhf: then stick to ubuntu :) |
| 20:28.11 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: and please don't try to make this conversation continue thanks |
| 20:28.34 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: ok thanks anyway |
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| 20:32.07 | abrotman | !tell jackbrownhf about why debian |
| 20:32.19 | jackbrownhf | !tell me whyyyyyy |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | i should have known that he didn't really care |
| 20:32.39 | wodemaye_ | !tell me why |
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| 20:34.20 | jackbrownhf | abrotman: just a question, what i hate of Linux Mint and Ubuntu that i have to upgrade to new version (from 11 to 12 etc.), i read that installing debian (or min debian) i will never have to upgrade to a newer version cos the distro is a continuum, did i understand right ? |
| 20:34.45 | jackbrownhf | *mint |
| 20:34.47 | tensorpudding | jackbrownhf, you heard wrong |
| 20:34.56 | Joestar79 | I was able to set up nginx + uSWGi and django 1.4 but only using http channel between NGINX and uWSGI |
| 20:35.14 | Joestar79 | if I try to used unix socket, I recieve a bad gateway |
| 20:35.17 | tensorpudding | debian has releases like ubuntu and mint |
| 20:35.18 | Joestar79 | any clue? |
| 20:35.19 | bensons | jackbrownhf: thats arch linux :) |
| 20:35.36 | jackbrownhf | bensons: ? what's arch linux ? |
| 20:36.05 | bensons | jackbrownhf: archlinux.org, but anyway.. |
| 20:36.05 | DaveNull | jackbrownhf, a Linux "rolling release" distro |
| 20:36.26 | DaveNull | like sid or testing, in fact |
| 20:36.40 | bensons | breaks every 3 months |
| 20:36.43 | tensorpudding | sid is like a rolling-release except it's not release |
| 20:36.44 | bensons | somehow |
| 20:36.53 | sunbeam | does anyone know that when i mount an fs with sshfs the folder i mount in changes group? |
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| 20:37.16 | tensorpudding | testing is not rolling release, it's more like using an ubuntu beta |
| 20:37.29 | tensorpudding | but it changes more because its gestation period is very long |
| 20:37.30 | jackbrownhf | DaveNull: means that i will never have to upgrade ? |
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| 20:37.40 | DaveNull | jackbrownhf, no |
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| 20:37.48 | tensorpudding | don't use sid |
| 20:38.14 | jackbrownhf | DaveNull: is that true that the internet police use Debian ? |
| 20:38.23 | damacus | sid is love |
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| 20:38.39 | karsten | jackbrownhf: No, it's the terrorists. |
| 20:38.40 | tensorpudding | rather, don't use sid on a computer that you want to have functional, store your data on, or depend on in any way |
| 20:38.46 | DaveNull | tensorpudding, bah i've both Arch and Sid... and i've less pb with Sid than with Arch |
| 20:38.48 | karsten | jackbrownhf: You've never heard of the debinistas? |
| 20:38.56 | jackbrownhf | karsten: ?? |
| 20:39.06 | ompaul | karsten: rule three ... |
| 20:39.08 | tensorpudding | it's useful to have sid available for testing if you are writing code or packaging |
| 20:39.13 | bensons | doubletap? |
| 20:39.21 | DaveNull | but for my own box, i go with testing |
| 20:39.22 | jackbrownhf | karsten: you mean Debin Laden ? |
| 20:39.23 | bensons | no that was rule 2.. |
| 20:39.26 | tensorpudding | but as they say, if sid breaks you get to keep all the pieces |
| 20:39.37 | karsten | ompaul: Isn't that "Never bring a Debian box to a Fight Club meeting and talk about it?" |
| 20:39.46 | ompaul | yeah |
| 20:40.00 | deever | after reconnecting a sata disk with the root LVM lv via usb, the initrd stops because the root lv is no activated automatically, which means i have to do a lvchange -a y. |
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| 20:40.15 | ompaul | can we all stop feeding the whatever definition for it it wants to use today please |
| 20:40.17 | deever | is there a way to reautomate that again? |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | jackbrownhf: did someone else answer your question ? |
| 20:40.49 | bensons | ompaul: but...but.. its fun? |
| 20:40.56 | abrotman | bensons: knock it off |
| 20:41.01 | bensons | mmm |
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| 20:51.39 | injureddeer | hello, how can i got working sound in iceweasel? |
| 20:51.44 | injureddeer | in vlc work :( |
| 20:52.09 | crash82 | hello , can anyone recomend a apt proxy software ? |
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| 20:52.22 | injureddeer | crash82: squid3 |
| 20:52.45 | crash82 | injureddeer, just for an apt-proxy ... Nothing simpler to configure ? |
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| 20:53.03 | sunbeam | does anyone know how i can mount a dir of an external ssh user as if it were a windows 7 dir? |
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| 20:54.23 | sephii | crash82: apt-proxy? |
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| 20:55.18 | crash82 | sephii, I'm looking into that one, are there any more that can do the same? |
| 20:55.58 | sephii | crash82: apt-cacher and apt-mirror i think |
| 20:56.22 | crash82 | going to see if there is any place recomending a specific one |
| 20:58.17 | crash82 | thanks |
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| 21:05.30 | offnod | how do i know if the kfreebsd-i386 or the i386 architecture is right for my pc? |
| 21:06.29 | offnod | #debian-kbsd |
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| 21:07.13 | DasEi | offnod: rather a #linux question, get a virtulisation and checkout distrowatch.com |
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| 21:17.40 | jpwhiting | hey all, anyone here know how I can debug why sudo no longer works? |
| 21:17.53 | jpwhiting | su still does, and sudo still asks me for my user password, but then does nothing |
| 21:19.36 | thewanderer1 | jpinx: define nothing |
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| 21:20.22 | cusco | sudo id |
| 21:20.41 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting: define "does nothing" |
| 21:20.55 | jpwhiting | thewanderer1: sudo aptitude goes back to the command line |
| 21:21.03 | jpwhiting | sudo apt-get update goes back to command line |
| 21:21.20 | jpwhiting | no matter what command I give it goes back to the command line as if it was done |
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| 21:21.44 | jpwhiting | auth.log shows sudo: jeremy : TTY=pts/3 ; PWD=/home/jeremy ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/aptitude |
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| 21:22.01 | thewanderer1 | does dmesg show anything useful? |
| 21:22.04 | jpwhiting | then pam_unix blah, session opened for user root by (uid=1000) then closed |
| 21:22.16 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, looks that it may be a PAM problem |
| 21:22.22 | jpwhiting | nope, nothing in dmesg |
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| 21:23.10 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting: I'd see what modules are enabled in account session - that often fails with custom PAM setups |
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| 21:23.14 | thewanderer1 | s/session/section/ |
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| 21:23.30 | jpwhiting | in account section of what? |
| 21:23.36 | thewanderer1 | PAM |
| 21:24.03 | thewanderer1 | check out common-account and sudo in /etc/pam.d |
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| 21:24.28 | jpwhiting | common-account has account [success=1 new_authtok_reqd=done default=ignore] pam_unix.so |
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| 21:24.37 | jpwhiting | then account requisite pam_deny.so |
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| 21:24.50 | jpwhiting | and account required pam_permit.so |
| 21:24.59 | jpwhiting | I haven't done anything special to pam though |
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| 21:25.04 | jpwhiting | that I recall |
| 21:25.34 | thewanderer1 | what does stracing the sudo process yield? (use -f to include child processes as well) |
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| 21:25.40 | ipnosi77 | cio |
| 21:25.43 | ipnosi77 | ciao |
| 21:25.50 | ipnosi77 | !list |
| 21:25.50 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 21:26.22 | thewanderer1 | I thought it was supposed to send links to Debian ISO images? |
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| 21:27.16 | jpwhiting | thewanderer1: strace sudo gives this: http://pastebin.ca/2138424 |
| 21:27.31 | jpwhiting | selinux getting in the way somehow? |
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| 21:28.41 | jpwhiting | sudo hasn't worked here for about a week or so I guess |
| 21:28.45 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting: are you running SELinux? O.o |
| 21:28.47 | jpwhiting | not sure how I broke it |
| 21:28.50 | jpwhiting | I don't think so |
| 21:29.07 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting: what does `stat $(which sudo)` say? |
| 21:29.10 | jpwhiting | just saw the /sys/fs/selunix and /selinux in here |
| 21:29.42 | jpwhiting | zsh: command not found: File: |
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| 21:29.52 | thewanderer1 | oh well, zsh... sec |
| 21:30.13 | thewanderer1 | stat /usr/bin/sudo |
| 21:30.13 | jpwhiting | stat /usr/bin/sudo gives /usr/bin/sudo |
| 21:30.38 | jpwhiting | size 75448, Access (4755/-rwsr-xr-x) |
| 21:30.50 | thewanderer1 | huh, access mode is ok |
| 21:30.57 | jpwhiting | regular file, 152 blocks, etc. |
| 21:31.24 | thewanderer1 | write(2, "must be setuid root", 19must be setuid root) = 19 |
| 21:31.49 | jpwhiting | yeah, I saw that too, very weird |
| 21:31.57 | jpwhiting | since it is setuid root, no? :) |
| 21:32.01 | thewanderer1 | does it output that? |
| 21:32.13 | jpwhiting | not when I just run sudo apt-get update |
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| 21:34.16 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, I think strace alters the execution |
| 21:34.29 | jpwhiting | ah, lovely |
| 21:34.52 | thewanderer1 | perhaps programs which are ptrace()d can not execute SUID binaries - that should explain the fallback on your normal userid |
| 21:35.06 | jpwhiting | yep |
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| 21:36.23 | thewanderer1 | there should be a way to capture all executed commands and syscalls, still |
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| 21:36.58 | thewanderer1 | I'd look into using the audit subsystem |
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| 21:38.30 | jpwhiting | what's that? |
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| 21:41.32 | alex- | my /var/log/ directory is 7.63 GB big |
| 21:41.36 | alex- | how can I find out which folder is big? |
| 21:42.00 | jpwhiting | alex-: du -sh /var/log/* |
| 21:42.17 | alex- | 2.2G /var/log/kern.log |
| 21:42.34 | alex- | 2.2G /var/log/debug 1.3G /var/log/debug.1 |
| 21:42.38 | alex- | Is this bad? |
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| 21:46.56 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting: audit subsystem of the Linux kernel. it can do the same as strace, but more transparently... |
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| 21:49.27 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting: docs are sparse, but you basically want to get syscall tracing out of it |
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| 21:53.19 | deever | after reconnecting a sata disk with the root LVM lv via usb, the initrd stops because the root lv is no activated automatically, which means i have to do a lvchange -a y. |
| 21:53.25 | deever | is there a way to reautomate that again? |
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| 21:53.30 | weissbier | hi |
| 21:53.46 | weissbier | how can i stop pulseaudio to start with mpd? |
| 21:54.05 | pmade | Is there an irc channel for discussing debian on ultrabooks? |
| 21:54.50 | nkuttler | pmade: is there something special about ultrabooks? |
| 21:55.22 | pmade | nkuttler: just that they are newer and I'm having a hard time figuring out which one to buy. |
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| 21:56.00 | pmade | it seems that portables in general have their own compatibility issues. |
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| 21:56.36 | thewanderer1 | they are just laptops. |
| 21:57.01 | pmade | Okay, in that case is there a channel dedicated to debian on laptops? |
| 21:57.16 | nkuttler | !tell pmade about laptops |
| 21:57.46 | pmade | nkuttler: thank you. |
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| 22:01.38 | sprax | Could you please add #Listen 0.0.0.0:631 to the cups.conf so it's easier to enable as a print server for other hosts? I spend half an hour googling this and banging my head every time I have to set one up. |
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| 22:05.35 | Delf | I'm installing from usb. Debian 6.0.4 amd64. I get the error "pkgsel" failed with error code 1 |
| 22:05.42 | nkuttler | sprax: sounds like you want to file a wishlist bug against cups. doesn't sound like a very good idea though |
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| 22:07.17 | sprax | nkuttler yes on the wishlist. If the box is on a private lan behind an FW it's fine. I guess I could also do 192.168.1.0:631. I run the boxes as headless servers with no UI so setting up printers locally is a gigantic hassle |
| 22:07.20 | dondelelcaro | sprax: there's a Listen localhost:631... not sure how much clearer it could be, since you'd have to find Listen yet. |
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| 22:07.58 | sprax | dondelelcaro Until I change it to 0.0.0.0:631 it only listens to requests from loopback. Not so good for sharing a resource... |
| 22:08.15 | dondelelcaro | sprax: yes, but that's how every Listen line everywhere works... |
| 22:08.20 | Delf | is pulling his hair |
| 22:08.30 | dondelelcaro | 0.0.0.0 is the ip address which means "bind to all addresses" |
| 22:08.53 | dondelelcaro | sprax: and netstat -plunt; would make this pretty obvious |
| 22:09.03 | nkuttler | Delf: which part of the install process is that? |
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| 22:10.33 | Delf | nkuttler: which part? What do you mean? |
| 22:10.35 | dondelelcaro | sprax: and file:///usr/share/doc/cups/online-docs/help/ref-cupsd-conf.html#Listen has pretty useful documentation about it... that said, a patch which was more discoverable would probably be accepted |
| 22:10.50 | sprax | dondelelcaro I understand the 0.0.0.0 thing. If the box is DHCP I guess it's the only way. I just think a one liner comment about how to accept connections from the local network would be a benefit and more helpful than "read the man page start to finish until you fully comprehend the structure of the conf and the consequences of every directive" or "netstat -plunt, then man netstat n00b" |
| 22:11.17 | nkuttler | Delf: btw there's #debian-boot @ oftc for installer support |
| 22:11.23 | nkuttler | Delf: i meant what were you just doing |
| 22:11.33 | sprax | I gmailed myself the bit so I can search it out next time, and it's working here for me, I just don't think it would be a big deal |
| 22:11.34 | sprax | shrugs |
| 22:11.58 | sprax | if you google "debian cups localhost only" you'll find I'm not the first person to battle with this |
| 22:11.59 | themill | sprax: You'd get a lot of resistance to having cups listen on public interfaces by default -- making the necessary information easier to find is feasible though |
| 22:12.39 | Delf | nkuttler: Trying to install debian |
| 22:13.06 | nkuttler | Delf: please try to be specific |
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| 22:13.31 | sprax | themill I understand, and I'm not suggesting changing the default secure setting. Just adding a line below it so when you dive into the conf it's right there infront of you. I have no idea how to open a feature bug or contact the maintainer... |
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| 22:13.44 | themill | dpkg: tell sprax about reportbug |
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| 22:14.00 | Delf | nkuttler: A fresh install. Booted from USB and continued installing. I left tasksel as it is and continued untill it stopped. |
| 22:14.15 | themill | sprax: you could file a bug report suggesting a commented out Listen line to that effect (or pointing to /usr/share/doc/cups-bsd/README.Debian.gz) |
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| 22:14.54 | thewanderer1 | Delf: have you verified the checksum of the installer medium? |
| 22:15.27 | thewanderer1 | or, at least, of the downloaded image |
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| 22:16.26 | Delf | thewanderer1: No, I havent. During installation it asks for removable drive with non-free firmware. Could it be because of that? It's a built in NIC that I have now disabled. |
| 22:16.34 | sprax | themill thanks, I will. |
| 22:16.52 | thewanderer1 | Delf: if you choose not to supply firmware at install time, it should still work fine |
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| 22:18.15 | thewanderer1 | guys, how's LXC support on Debian with libvirt? or am I better off with just the "lxc" package? and will it handle a modern kernel (3.3) just fine? |
| 22:18.35 | Delf | I've tried DVD, CD and now I'm using USB. Lets see how far I'll get this time. |
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| 22:18.56 | thewanderer1 | Delf: well, under tty4 (alt+f4 in installer) you have the logs... |
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| 22:20.07 | Delf | thewanderer1: Yes, that is where I read the pkgsel error. |
| 22:20.39 | thewanderer1 | well, any more details? |
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| 22:21.28 | boudiccas | gets out her crystal ball, gives it a good polish before usage |
| 22:21.51 | Delf | I haven't reached the point where it stops. I restarted the installation after disabling the NIC. |
| 22:22.21 | thewanderer1 | the first thing to do is get a useful error message, then try to fix it :P |
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| 22:22.45 | Delf | Now. aptitude failed (255) |
| 22:23.23 | Delf | configuring pkgsel failed with error code 1 |
| 22:23.36 | boudiccas | Delf, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:23.37 | Delf | same error as before |
| 22:23.50 | Delf | Install Debian 6.0.4 amd64 |
| 22:24.15 | boudiccas | Delf, you dont need aptitude to install |
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| 22:24.35 | boudiccas | just use the gui on the dvd, or wherever you're storage medium is |
| 22:24.42 | Delf | I'm reading what it says in F4 during install |
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| 22:28.14 | Delf | Trying the graphical install now. |
| 22:29.02 | Benkinooby | is there a common name for the following: using a vpn connection for a certain program only while using the "normal" internet connection for everything else |
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| 22:30.50 | thewanderer1 | Benkinooby: policy routing |
| 22:31.12 | Benkinooby | thewanderer1, thank you |
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| 22:36.57 | D-Boy | So I have 'set -C' on my .bashrc to avoid file overwriting if they existed, Can I permit to some commands to overpass that setting and overwrite files ? (by creating some aliases ?) |
| 22:37.12 | chalcedony | my computer seems to be trying to open every pdf i ever had.. |
| 22:38.00 | chalcedony | writer.. document viewer.. it's not just pdfs |
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| 22:41.15 | dmbaturin | What is the URL for archived lenny backports repo? |
| 22:42.00 | daemonkeeper | !lenny sources.list |
| 22:42.00 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 22:48.02 | AnthonyXD | !seen lexxan |
| 22:48.02 | dpkg | AnthonyXD: i haven't seen 'lexxan' |
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| 22:59.24 | cardamon | How does Debian manage/maintain fonts? |
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| 22:59.54 | nkuttler | !tell cardamon about fonts |
| 23:00.24 | Vesperto | Any reason why aptitude has been "Resolving dependencies" for the last 30m, thrashing my 4GB Debian in the process? |
| 23:01.03 | kevlarman | Vesperto: how much ram do you have? |
| 23:01.17 | nkuttler | Vesperto: define trash |
| 23:01.38 | Vesperto | kevlarman: 4GB nkuttler: all 4GB used up as well as swap. |
| 23:01.46 | kevlarman | nkuttler: thrash, not trash |
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| 23:02.28 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: it probably has gotten into a problem where the heuristic sucks |
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| 23:02.36 | themill | Vesperto: what are you upgrading from and to? |
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| 23:03.03 | Vesperto | Sid to Sid, ran aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 23:03.43 | pacsman | hi |
| 23:03.45 | kevlarman | themill: woody->sid obviously :P |
| 23:03.58 | Vesperto | The first time took a while but started, then it ran into an old issue (critical binaries get chmod 000 for some reason) and dpkg failed. Tried running aptitude again, still resolving. |
| 23:04.08 | themill | Vesperto: sid to sid is very rarely a "safe-upgrade" |
| 23:04.08 | pacsman | just a question, choosing between debian 6 or ubuntu-server ? |
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| 23:04.35 | Vesperto | themill: safe as in man aptitude safe. |
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| 23:04.51 | themill | Vesperto: yes. That is rarely the right approach. |
| 23:05.15 | kevlarman | Vesperto: if there's no way to resolve dependencies without removing packages... |
| 23:06.02 | Vesperto | kevlarman: in that case aptitue sugests packages to remove as a dependency solution. |
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| 23:06.14 | themill | Vesperto: try full-upgrade |
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| 23:06.22 | Vesperto | kevlarman: you either accept and it removes, or you dont and ir retries. |
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| 23:06.33 | Vesperto | themill: yeah i guess i'll have to. |
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| 23:06.59 | themill | Vesperto: you'll quite often need that for upgrades within any non-stable release. |
| 23:07.27 | Vesperto | themill: i've been using safe-upgrade for about 3 years now. |
| 23:07.56 | themill | that's nice |
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| 23:09.18 | MilitoD | ciao |
| 23:09.20 | MilitoD | !list |
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| 23:10.18 | Vesperto | With full-upgrade it keeps on telling me "No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder?" |
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| 23:11.33 | themill | Vesperto: sounds like you've got one of the situations were apt-get will fare better than aptitude. |
| 23:11.55 | Vesperto | themill: i thought aptitude was preferred these days? |
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| 23:12.23 | themill | Vesperto: yes and no. And when it comes to the middle of an apt transition, anything could happen. |
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| 23:12.55 | Vesperto | themill: i'll try apt-get then, been a while. |
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| 23:14.53 | spersaud | what should I have in /etc/mailname by default ? |
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| 23:15.09 | spersaud | I am not getting error messages from cron via mutt which I used to get before .. |
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| 23:15.25 | spersaud | I had a domain name like freshpc.biz in /etc/mailname which I deleted |
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| 23:18.53 | jhutchins | spersaud: |
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| 23:19.06 | jhutchins | spersaud: should be the FQDN of the box. |
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| 23:19.53 | spersaud | jhutchins: ?? |
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| 23:20.05 | spersaud | Fully Qualified Domain Name ? |
| 23:21.26 | spersaud | jhutchins: I set it to cpe-24-90-220-251.nyc.res.rr.com |
| 23:21.40 | spersaud | jhutchins: I send mail in django via gmail .. |
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| 23:24.04 | Baen | aloha |
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| 23:38.42 | offnod | when i install debian on a partition (macbook) do i set the bootable flag on, or will this conflict with refit? |
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| 23:41.05 | daemonkeeper | offnod: Debian (i.e. Linux) does not care about the bootable flag at all, no need to set it. |
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| 23:43.01 | offnod | thanks |
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| 23:49.06 | jmanuel | hi there, I just post a doubt http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4658799#post4658799, please if you could help I will appreciate. Thanks |
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| 23:53.12 | jmanuel | it is related to dual monitor with xfce4 distro and intel graphics card, debian squeeze |
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