| 00:00.09 | nsadmin | also needed for that, knowing a few packages and knowing what they need |
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| 00:04.36 | uski | hello there; I'm trying to tighten the iptables rules of an host. I want to allow apt-get to fetch its databases from security.debian.org. I did something like iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -d security.debian.org -J ACCEPT, but that doesn't work perfectly as iptables only create a rule for the first ip of security.debian.org. Is there a magic way to have rules created for each ip ? |
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| 00:06.08 | nsadmin | uski, you will need a rule per IP. |
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| 00:06.27 | nsadmin | iptables doesn't look up dns |
| 00:06.41 | nsadmin | well except when the rule is first created |
| 00:07.00 | uski | nsadmin, yea, but can't it at least create a rule per ip when the rule is first created ? |
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| 00:07.32 | nsadmin | you'd need to iterate on the ips (look at dig_ |
| 00:07.34 | nsadmin | ) |
| 00:07.41 | uski | I see, thx |
| 00:09.21 | nsadmin | uski, one thing to explore is creating a script that does it |
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| 00:10.01 | uski | nsadmin, yea, I can do this; but I thought something simple would exist :) |
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| 00:11.07 | nsadmin | once you write this script, it will exist! |
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| 00:12.02 | nsadmin | try this... dig security.debian.org |
| 00:13.17 | uski | my problem is that I'd need to update the firewall rules regularly (in a cron script or with an apt hook) because the IPs might change |
| 00:13.48 | uski | nsadmin, im lazy, i'll do that some point in the future, it's 2am here and I better go to bed :) but thanks for the ideas ! :) |
| 00:14.36 | nsadmin | consider an old package called ipmasq... what it does is it looks at the network existng on your machine, and from the information, it calculates a firewall (as a set of iptables rules) |
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| 00:20.03 | randall_ | lo all, im hardening some mysql-installation, could anybody tell me what i destroy in longterm by deactivating sql-user debian-sys-maint and disabling mysqladmin? :) |
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| 00:23.21 | randall_ | i mean if i do backup/restore of dbs by an own script, i could safely ignore mysql always complaining on a restart? |
| 00:23.23 | themill | randall_: you lose at least the ability for the logrotate configuration to work correctly and probably also other maintainer scripts |
| 00:23.59 | randall_ | right, logrotate is already handleled by my maintaining script |
| 00:24.00 | nsadmin | randall_, not sure since I don't use mysql. In debian, there is an attempt made to allow the admin to make these kinds of changes. Where possible and where understood, it tries to keep these changes, which are considered changes to the machines's configuration |
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| 00:25.39 | randall_ | hmm, i read something about upgrade problems: granting privileges do change from major sql-version to another one (like from lenny to squeeze), but if i take care on that on my own, i wonder what else might go wrong on daily basis |
| 00:26.03 | nsadmin | one thing, if the machine you are doing this to is some kind of production and/or mission critical remote, you're advised to copy it to a staging server, make your changes only on that machine and evaluate what happens |
| 00:27.30 | nsadmin | and actually the issue of remote or local is not so relevent except the remote requires more care |
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| 00:28.10 | randall_ | yup thats what im doing right now, but i lack other ideas, since im not good in dbs :D ...maybe some cronjob somewhere hidden which bombs the mysql down in 2days or something like that after default installation, and blind removal of debian-sys-maint, and probably disabling sqlmyadmin (often mentioned as myadmin on the configs)somehow |
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| 00:28.27 | randall_ | remote queries are not a problem :) |
| 00:28.56 | themill | randall_: I'd have to say that I'm not a fan of making work for myself... I wouldn't bother with this. |
| 00:30.33 | nsadmin | randall_, what are the consequences of a breach? what's the worst that could happen? |
| 00:30.46 | randall_ | i saw some other guy getting ugly hacked through some visible databases and a wrong default mode leading to wrong access grant, so i try to avoid that; probably something will just do /etc/mysql/debian.cnf worldreadable and im fu**ced as well :P |
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| 00:32.07 | randall_ | worstcase is i put that into production, and while me being on a hot beach, our boss callsup telling me sql just got closed :D |
| 00:32.26 | themill | if someone has the ability to change permissions on /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, then you've already lost |
| 00:33.09 | nsadmin | for one thing, you're advised to make periodic backups of all of the mysql databases... you'll have to find out how to make and how to restore the dumps. you will likely also need to know the exact version of the mysql and also all addons to it |
| 00:33.33 | randall_ | thats it, but i wouldnt care because debian-sys-maint user around in the mysql.user |
| 00:33.38 | randall_ | is not there! |
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| 00:34.01 | nsadmin | maybe you should hire someone who is expert in these areas |
| 00:34.08 | themill | randall_: if someone has root on your box, then they don't need to be able to read /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 00:34.21 | themill | (or for the user to exist in the mysql.user table) |
| 00:34.40 | nsadmin | well "they don't need to be able to read ..." is not quite correct. |
| 00:35.07 | nsadmin | what is more correct and also more to the point, is root -is- able to read anything on the box |
| 00:35.28 | randall_ | sure, but lets keep it at sql-level |
| 00:35.40 | themill | nsadmin: umm... no, my statement is quite correct. root can alter the database without needing the information in that file. |
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| 00:36.57 | themill | randall_: anyway, you really are just making work for yourself here. Websites being scribbled on doesn't happen through debian-sys-maint, it happens through sql injection in poorly written web apps. |
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| 00:38.01 | randall_ | mhm maybe i should readd him, using some kind of minial granted rights |
| 00:38.12 | randall_ | minimal |
| 00:38.38 | randall_ | its just too many errors without him :D |
| 00:39.16 | nsadmin | and this is one of many reasons to consider postgres, the server of which will refuse to run as root, and root access to databases can be strictly controlled |
| 00:40.09 | randall_ | mysql is also running jailed here.^^ |
| 00:40.39 | randall_ | would you guys consider GRANT SELECT, RELOAD, SHUTDOWN, PROCESS, SHOW DATABASES, SUPER, LOCK TABLES enough for debian-sys-maint ? |
| 00:41.22 | nsadmin | is this a money-making operation? |
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| 00:41.47 | randall_ | no |
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| 00:45.40 | nsadmin | what does it have now? |
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| 00:49.03 | nsadmin | since you wouldn't have changed the production server (as mentioned before) before testing your change on a separate machine, the production server should have everything intact |
| 00:49.26 | randall_ | sec |
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| 00:50.13 | randall_ | SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, CREATE, DROP, RELOAD, SHUTDOWN, PROCESS, FILE, REFERENCES, INDEX, ALTER, SHOW DATABASES, SUPER, CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, LOCK TABLES, EXECUTE, REPLICATION SLAVE, REPLICATION CLIENT |
| 00:50.28 | randall_ | too much i find |
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| 00:54.22 | nsadmin | what is the purpose of the database? of any web site that reads/writes it? |
| 00:54.31 | Digit | have you separate machine to this goal? |
| 00:54.32 | Digit | wow |
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| 00:55.03 | randall_ | no im in vm with copy of rootfs |
| 00:55.12 | Digit | aha |
| 00:55.18 | randall_ | kinda separate :) |
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| 00:56.17 | randall_ | so what you guys think, i am missing from above long list to debian-sys-maint, if it has atm the short one? |
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| 00:57.53 | tesla_dv1 | Greetings, I have a debian 3.2.0-2 box that refuses to wake from suspend with an attached keyboard or more importantly a mceusb IR remote. It used to to work on previous kernel versions. I have verified that /proc/acpi/wakeup is properly enabled for all USB devices. I |
| 00:58.15 | tesla_dv1 | I've also attempted to create a udev rule, nothing appears to function, any ideas? |
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| 00:58.32 | nsadmin | randall_, no idea without more info |
| 00:59.03 | randall_ | thanks anyway for your help :)) |
| 00:59.41 | randall_ | Got some Bitcoin address? I can send donation if you want :) |
| 01:00.00 | Digit | tesla_dv1: maybe you need firmware upgade |
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| 01:00.17 | nsadmin | randall_, use it to hire a dba |
| 01:00.37 | tesla_dv1 | Digit: which firmware are you talking about? |
| 01:01.03 | randall_ | haha id think about it :) |
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| 01:02.52 | Digit | i was have the wireless network interface with old firmware, and i can't use the newest kernel, because the firmware too old |
| 01:03.30 | tesla_dv1 | Digit, shouldn't be the problem, just can't resume from suspend unless getting up and using the button on the machine :/ |
| 01:03.33 | Digit | (sorry im learn english : ) |
| 01:03.35 | nsadmin | how does it know the firmware is old? |
| 01:03.54 | tesla_dv1 | a keyboard should wake a machine from suspend, and this does not even function :( |
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| 01:05.32 | randall_ | early bios` had some function where one could activate power-on by keyboard: probably you have to activate it first before trying keyboard; another thing is: do you use native connection emulating keyboard on IR-receiver? if not, you have to look for something like POWER by IR, but i dont think this will be around on bios... |
| 01:06.16 | randall_ | getting IR-Keyboard with native ps2 or usb-connection on receiver could fit for enabled bios power on |
| 01:06.17 | tesla_dv1 | checked bios, the ir is setup properly and is able to put the machine to sleep, works fine also on two other machines |
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| 01:06.35 | randall_ | firmware bug! ;) |
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| 01:06.43 | tesla_dv1 | I figure if I can get the direct-attatched keyboard to work I can then proceed with the IR setup.. |
| 01:07.02 | randall_ | yes thats your way |
| 01:11.09 | Digit | you does'nt listen me ;) |
| 01:11.26 | Digit | you doesn't listen me ;) |
| 01:13.12 | Digit | correctly: |
| 01:13.13 | Digit | don't listen me |
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| 01:17.07 | notbird | #/r/fantasy |
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| 01:27.05 | wolfric | how do you find out the release version of debian? |
| 01:27.19 | wolfric | as in r1 r2 r3 etc |
| 01:29.05 | nsadmin | you can look at /etc/debian_version |
| 01:29.36 | nsadmin | it's been awhile since I've seen rX |
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| 01:31.25 | wolfric | nsadmin: if it's 6.0.4, does that mean release 4? |
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| 01:32.04 | wolfric | also, any idea what that would have looked like for etch? that setup has 4.0 (yes i know outdated) |
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| 01:35.21 | nsadmin | it's the 4th point release of squeeze |
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| 01:36.14 | osman | M1 ARANIO |
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| 01:37.01 | allorder | Hi everyone, whats the difference between squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates in the repo ? |
| 01:37.13 | allorder | same thing ? |
| 01:37.31 | nsadmin | show the full url |
| 01:38.10 | nsadmin | - is not a directory separater, / is |
| 01:38.17 | allorder | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:38.19 | allorder | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:38.37 | allorder | oops |
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| 01:39.14 | allorder | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free & deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:39.17 | allorder | same thing ? |
| 01:39.29 | wolfric | i would imagine, security? |
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| 01:40.27 | nsadmin | they're just arranged differently |
| 01:40.53 | allorder | in the final its the same ? |
| 01:41.21 | nsadmin | final? |
| 01:41.26 | allorder | end |
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| 01:42.16 | nsadmin | so, I have a vague idea of what you're curious about. what I want is a very definite idea, no fog or fuzz |
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| 01:54.30 | terron | Is there a better way to do this command: /usr/games/fortune fortunes -s | tr '\n' ' ' | tr '\t' ' ' |
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| 02:05.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all, can someone help me with iptables? http://paste.debian.net/164334/ is what i've got, but i can't get an http connection to the remote server. i've tried with and without ,RELATED, without ad with --protcol and i'm about fed up |
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| 02:08.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | just realised i'm on an openwrt host, so i'll try their channel |
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| 02:12.31 | nsadmin | Kamping_Kaiser, also #netfilter |
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| 02:23.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 02:55.13 | mrtn | Is it technically correct to say that into the extended partition one can create logical partitions? |
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| 03:06.40 | BLZbubba | anyone here familiar with e4defrag? |
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| 03:08.48 | BLZbubba | and will it work on squeeze? |
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| 03:09.49 | nsadmin | BLZbubba, usually ext234 keep themselves defragged |
| 03:10.17 | LtL | mrtn: yes, you can have multiple logical partitions within an extended partition. |
| 03:10.32 | nsadmin | , file bin/e4defrag |
| 03:10.33 | mrtn | LtL, thanks! |
| 03:10.36 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 03:11.34 | BLZbubba | nsadmin: key word "usually" :) |
| 03:11.34 | nsadmin | BLZbubba, not familiar with it, and it appears to not be in debian. are you sure of the name? |
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| 03:12.10 | BLZbubba | wheezy e2fsprogs has it |
| 03:12.14 | BLZbubba | from what i understand |
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| 03:12.40 | BLZbubba | but it needs kernel features so maybe it is simply not usable on the squeeze kernel (yet) |
| 03:13.54 | nsadmin | understanding the nature of C and filesystems, if you can find its source, you can compile it |
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| 03:14.41 | nsadmin | I'll just have to say, determine its exact requirements... anything less than that is a guess and won't have you moving forward |
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| 03:16.44 | wolfric | what would i hcange my sources.list file to for etch to get packages off archive |
| 03:19.18 | nsadmin | why not upgrade to lenny, and then squeeze? |
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| 03:20.00 | nsadmin | you're presently running old old stable |
| 03:20.18 | wolfric | nsadmin: yes, running etch for testing |
| 03:20.21 | wolfric | not production |
| 03:20.25 | wolfric | anyway sure i found my answer |
| 03:20.42 | nsadmin | testing what? :) |
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| 03:47.14 | ross` | um, for some reason for other accounts but mine squirrelmail is giving them an imap server connection error |
| 03:47.17 | ross` | anyone know why |
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| 03:51.52 | Rusty1 | the account is hosted where, ross` ie are you connecting from within a network that the host is on? |
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| 03:52.35 | ross` | Rusty1: yea using internet host option |
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| 04:02.00 | Rusty1 | ross`: if there have been no changes to the setup on your end then i would check with hosting provider |
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| 04:03.01 | ross` | Rusty1: ~/Maildir needs to exist |
| 04:03.02 | ross` | apparently |
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| 04:12.32 | nsadmin | well the exact name of the dir that needs to exist is probably configurable... for example it's possible to keep the whole Maildir outside of anyone's home dir |
| 04:15.04 | nsadmin | the default is, however, recommended since the default configuration of mail clients is probably aware of that dir |
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| 04:39.30 | Funkadelic | If I copy a bunch of files from one place on an sshfs mount to another on that same sshfs mount, is it just as fast as cp? |
| 04:40.06 | Funkadelic | or will it send everything to the client it is mounted on and back, creating a network bottleneck? |
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| 04:41.44 | nsadmin | hell no, it comes to you over an ssh connection that could be thousands of miles long with hundreds or routers and then there's that little matter of ssh being an encrypted connection... |
| 04:42.13 | nsadmin | how would you do the actual copy? |
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| 04:46.26 | nsadmin | if you have a mount on one mount point and another mount on another mount point, and then you use cp -- which is not cognizent of sshfs, I don't see any way that sshfs smarts could be applied |
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| 04:53.15 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure that even if you have one mount point on one dir, and you use cp, the data gets transfered from remote to local to remote |
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| 04:53.42 | rasusto | Funkadelic: you would experience a network bottleneck, yes. cp is run locally, which means all of the files have to be run through your machine and then back over the network to the remote machine |
| 04:53.45 | nsadmin | any sshfs smarts would have to do remote - remote |
| 04:54.24 | rasusto | Funkadelic: if you are using sshfs, that means you have login credentials on the remote machine. log in through ssh and do cp that way. |
| 04:55.46 | nsadmin | and, I'm guessing that it would take a redesign of how cp works (like: if (smarts are applicable) { try to do remote - remote } else { do normal cp } |
| 04:57.29 | Funkadelic | I would do the copy through ssh, but I'd rather have something graphical to work with because I have to copy about 50 out of 100 directories, and the ones I have to pick out don't have any particular pattern |
| 04:57.43 | Funkadelic | rasusto, nsadmin ^^ |
| 04:58.30 | Funkadelic | but a lot of them start with the same words |
| 04:59.00 | rasusto | what you can do is move them all into a new folder |
| 04:59.00 | Funkadelic | Do I have any graphical option that doesn't have a network bottleneck? |
| 04:59.26 | rasusto | as long as the copy/move is within the same mount point you won't have the bottleneck (I don't think so) |
| 04:59.29 | nsadmin | do you understand the underlying issue? (to have you say "wamt tp use GUI" in making me curious as to whether you heard and understaood what's been said |
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| 04:59.51 | rasusto | give me a minute I'm gonna try this |
| 05:00.16 | Funkadelic | is rasusto correct in that a copy or move within the same mount doesn't have a network bottleneck? |
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| 05:00.27 | rasusto | testing..... |
| 05:00.46 | nsadmin | rasusto, the common understanding being cp would have to particupate in the smarts... not impossible... |
| 05:01.11 | Funkadelic | I don't know what smarts are. |
| 05:01.12 | rasusto | I was wrong |
| 05:01.24 | rasusto | there still is a bottleneck, I just tried it |
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| 05:01.32 | Funkadelic | lol that sounds bad in the wrong context :P (what I just said) |
| 05:01.55 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, you just walked into a joke I'm not going to present :) |
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| 05:02.53 | rasusto | haha |
| 05:04.05 | rasusto | I'm out of ideas, Funkadelic |
| 05:04.14 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, smarts for these kinds of cases means specialized code to improve a situation which when left to the general case has disadvantages |
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| 05:05.36 | nsadmin | the only way the general case helps you is if you ssh into the remote and run cp there |
| 05:05.58 | Funkadelic | Oh I see nsadmin. I think the best option so far is just to move the directories one by one, or maybe rsync a list I just type in while looking at that list in a second window |
| 05:06.11 | Funkadelic | (rsync because it's kinda big all together) |
| 05:07.21 | Funkadelic | rsync -rPRvh fileA fileB subdirC /path/to/dest/ would copy A, B, and C to the destination, right? |
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| 05:07.51 | nsadmin | I don't really understand rsync |
| 05:07.59 | rasusto | wait, why are you using rsync? |
| 05:08.15 | Funkadelic | Because it gives me progress |
| 05:08.32 | Funkadelic | with the -P option |
| 05:08.34 | nsadmin | I still get the feeling you're not understanding the underlying issues |
| 05:08.50 | Funkadelic | what are the underlying issues? I am interested |
| 05:09.08 | nsadmin | already discussed. all you have to do is scroll up |
| 05:09.14 | rasusto | any program you run on your local machine is working through sshfs |
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| 05:09.27 | rasusto | working through sshfs is what causes the bottleneck |
| 05:09.40 | Funkadelic | Oh, yeah. |
| 05:10.12 | rasusto | the only way to get around that is perform the copy on the remote machine |
| 05:10.14 | Funkadelic | I wonder if I could mount something through ssh |
| 05:10.20 | rasusto | be it through ssh, or some other method |
| 05:10.29 | Funkadelic | instead of through sftp |
| 05:10.35 | Funkadelic | wouldn't that solve the issue? |
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| 05:10.53 | rasusto | no |
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| 05:11.13 | nsadmin | after you read all that, if there are things you don't understand, you can ask about that (but having to repeat the whole thing is going to take more time than I have) |
| 05:11.21 | rasusto | they work essentially the same way |
| 05:11.38 | rasusto | sftp uses ftp through ssh and sshfs uses fuse through ssh |
| 05:11.59 | rasusto | the way the system mounts the filesystem isnt the problem |
| 05:12.12 | rasusto | the problem is that you are mounting the filesystem over the internet |
| 05:12.14 | nsadmin | well actually, if you ssh into the machine, then you'll have shell access on the remote, and a cp on the remote will not go over the net |
| 05:12.46 | rasusto | ^that was my first suggestion |
| 05:12.48 | nsadmin | that would be the only way of having it go fast, since it's only disk i/o at that point |
| 05:13.28 | Funkadelic | sftp uses ftp through ssh? I thought sftp uses a whole different protocol through ssh, and ftp over ssh is different from that |
| 05:14.19 | nsadmin | rasusto, I figured... probably between the two of us we've said "run cp on the remote" about 5 times now :) |
| 05:14.38 | rasusto | Funkadelic: type 'man sftp' |
| 05:14.38 | Funkadelic | but sftp details are kind of besides the point |
| 05:15.32 | rasusto | its still better than the ubuntu channel |
| 05:15.51 | damacus | indeed sftp is different from just ftp tunneled over ssh |
| 05:16.01 | nsadmin | ahh, if sftp details are besides the point, then effectively you've factored them out, which leaves only the general case |
| 05:16.08 | Funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.08 | Funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.15 | Funkadelic | from the manual |
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| 05:17.00 | nsadmin | yeah, just like ssh and scp, sftp also uses the same type of connection |
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| 05:18.12 | damacus | SFTP is not FTP run over SSH, but rather a new protocol designed from the ground up by the IETF SECSH working group. It is sometimes confused with Simple File Transfer Protocol. [1] |
| 05:18.35 | damacus | Barrett, Daniel; Richard E. Silverman (2001), SSH, The Secure Shell: The Definitive Guide, Cambridge: O'Reilly, ISBN 0-596-00011-1 |
| 05:19.45 | nsadmin | damacus, isn't it just an alias for scp? |
| 05:20.10 | damacus | no |
| 05:20.16 | nsadmin | I understand it's not ftp (which requires two ports) |
| 05:20.24 | damacus | /usr/lib/sftp-server |
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| 05:20.37 | nsadmin | but in any case it is run over ssh |
| 05:20.45 | damacus | ssh is love. |
| 05:21.58 | Funkadelic | ^ +1 |
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| 05:22.21 | nsadmin | we know this because existing ssh public keys on the remote do work with sftp |
| 05:22.55 | rasusto | What you're referring to as sftp, is in fact, ssh/ftp, or as I've recently taken to calling it, ssh plus ftp. ftp is not an file copying program unto itself, but rather one free component of a fully functioning sftp system made useful by the ftp protocol, ssl encryption, and TCP/IP protcols that comprise a full sftp as defined by rasusto. |
| 05:23.26 | nsadmin | rasusto, remember that the original ftp requires two ports |
| 05:25.03 | rasusto | yes, I am reading the wikipedia article |
| 05:25.42 | damacus | nsadmin: i read the backlogs - can't you just perform the cp's on the remote end? |
| 05:25.51 | damacus | if both source/destination are on the sshfs mount point |
| 05:26.14 | rasusto | damacus: we've been saying that all along |
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| 05:26.27 | rasusto | I believe Funkadelic wanted to do it graphically |
| 05:26.36 | _accid | hey all... new to debian, how do i extract a .deb file |
| 05:26.57 | damacus | oh, sorry, I see it was Funkadelic asking, not you. |
| 05:27.00 | Funkadelic | yeah, a graphical solution would be fastest for me |
| 05:27.00 | damacus | but yeah. |
| 05:27.22 | nsadmin | damacus, according to a test rasusto did, running cp on the remote is the fastest most efficient case |
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| 05:27.45 | nsadmin | he could run the client over xdmcp |
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| 05:27.50 | Funkadelic | I'm picking out dozens of randomly dispersed folders from a big main directory |
| 05:28.06 | nsadmin | he wouldn't like the nonresponsiveness of that |
| 05:28.12 | damacus | well.. depending on how down and dirty you want to get, and your administrative access/authority on the system |
| 05:28.37 | damacus | you could always install an X filemanager like Xfe and ssh -X into the box and use it that way |
| 05:28.38 | rasusto | _accid: extract or do you mean install? |
| 05:28.43 | Funkadelic | I own the system, so that might actually be an option |
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| 05:30.05 | nsadmin | damacus, that's exactly the thing that he wouldn't like |
| 05:30.51 | rasusto | ssh into the remote machine and use mc ^.^ |
| 05:31.14 | nsadmin | and that would not be because the transfers wouldn't be fast (they would) but the ui would be so incredibly laggy he wouldn't even notice how fast the actual copies would be |
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| 05:31.57 | damacus | oh, right that reminds me |
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| 05:32.08 | damacus | X is chatty, you'd want to go -C -X |
| 05:32.25 | damacus | its perfectly reasonable over broadband |
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| 05:32.45 | damacus | for shits and grins I've occasionally used iceweasel from my cruddy openvz VPS |
| 05:32.56 | damacus | works surprisingly well |
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| 05:35.48 | my53|f | http://pastebin.com/KkSvM99T do you have any suggestion to fix last errors? |
| 05:35.59 | nsadmin | maybe that would work for him... on the other hand if he has a textual list of files, then I'd say the shell would be better |
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| 05:37.35 | rasusto | yeah is there any way to extract a list of directories from a file browser? |
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| 05:43.46 | nsadmin | I had the impression the list was already in textual form |
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| 05:46.36 | nsadmin | you mean like the list of dirs (and maybe files) in the browsed dir? |
| 05:48.53 | nsadmin | because in well-implemented file mgrs, you could just "copy" and later "paste" |
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| 05:59.32 | my53|f | http://pastebin.com/KkSvM99T do you have any suggestion to fix last errors? |
| 06:00.39 | Mohsen_Hassani | I want to install Debian using Flash Memory (net install) and using Debian DVD, but while installing I get the error Debootstrap warning |
| 06:02.10 | nsadmin | my53|f, not so fast... what's this about, what program, if there are error messages to present, what exactly was the command line (exact text only) that produced them |
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| 06:02.26 | nsadmin | also |
| 06:02.38 | nsadmin | I'm not reading anything from pastebin.com... choose another. |
| 06:02.41 | sanitypassing | is there any kind of commandline translate tool available? |
| 06:03.04 | my53|f | nsadmin: cat /var/log/kern.log | grep ACPI |
| 06:03.34 | nsadmin | oh, ok, good enuf... I'm not familiar with acpi errors |
| 06:05.26 | my53|f | nsadmin: which paste do you read? it seems i've issues with atk0110 module |
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| 06:15.42 | my53|f | Mohsen_Hassani: do you have check MD5sum? why use dvd too? or netinstall or dvd! |
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| 06:22.28 | momo_corse | asd3. |
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| 06:33.45 | Devastator | damn this newer kernel is fast! |
| 06:35.45 | simonlnu | Devastator: which one? |
| 06:35.59 | Devastator | 3.2.0-2 |
| 06:36.05 | simonlnu | ah |
| 06:37.36 | jwayne | totally got a software to package now.. woots.. |
| 06:39.20 | kleanchap | I want to execute multiple commands in sequence in a single line. Is ";" the separator between each command on the single line? |
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| 06:40.15 | jwayne | yes, ls ; echo "hello world", for example |
| 06:40.16 | peterrooney | kleanchap: normally yes; there's also #bash |
| 06:40.23 | greyEAX | so um |
| 06:40.25 | greyEAX | fresh install |
| 06:40.28 | greyEAX | try to use alsamixer |
| 06:40.30 | greyEAX | get this error |
| 06:40.31 | greyEAX | cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
| 06:40.33 | greyEAX | why |
| 06:40.49 | peterrooney | !enter |
| 06:40.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:41.11 | rainfyre | Devastator: are you running that on squeeze? |
| 06:41.20 | Devastator | rainfyre wheezy |
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| 06:41.48 | buu | HELLLLLLLLLLp |
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| 06:41.55 | rainfyre | Devastator: yeah ok |
| 06:42.10 | Devastator | is there another way to check boot log instead of dmesg or /var/log/messages? |
| 06:42.33 | rainfyre | Devastator: where are you noticing the speed increase? I also run LMDE and it updated to 3.2.0-2 within the last week or so |
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| 06:42.42 | buu | I'm trying to install debian on a machine via network boot, do I need to have it talking directly to a dhcp server that supports network booting? |
| 06:42.56 | jwayne | rainfyre: so LMDE is finally in the 3.x? |
| 06:43.18 | rainfyre | jwayne: yes as of last Sunday I believe |
| 06:43.28 | jwayne | nice, bout time. |
| 06:43.39 | rainfyre | jwayne: sorry, it's been running 3.x for quite a while now |
| 06:43.44 | Devastator | rainfyre well, i was in 3.0.0-2 and now system is boots faster |
| 06:43.49 | rainfyre | jwayne: just updated to 3.2.x last week though |
| 06:43.56 | rainfyre | Devastator: ahh ok, cool |
| 06:44.26 | jwayne | rainfyre: oh ok.. I'll have to upgrade my grandma's netbook ;) |
| 06:45.22 | rainfyre | jwayne: heh yeah. that's insane that you put lmde on your grandms's netbook :) |
| 06:45.48 | rainfyre | jwayne: but with update pack 4 things might break, it's a major upgrade. I had to re-do my wifi drivers and stuff |
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| 06:46.37 | jwayne | I've got LMDE and made her interface as minimal as possible.. only chrome, skype and solitaire are available to her account.. no updates nothing.. and it's stable as hell so far, only user errors so far ;P |
| 06:47.01 | jwayne | I'll have to update skype, I think they fixed the multiple-instance problem |
| 06:47.03 | Devastator | boot+fluxbox wouldn't take more than 20 secs |
| 06:47.47 | rainfyre | jwayne: I love it, it's been bombproof for me too. the mint team tests the wheezy packages for an additional month before they're released to the lmde repos. |
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| 06:48.14 | rainfyre | jwayne: I don't know, I use it and it works great. I don't want to get booted from here for being off-topic though :p |
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| 06:49.12 | jwayne | hehe |
| 06:49.40 | rainfyre | jwayne: I'm laughing with my g/f about that you put lmde on your grandma's netbook. that made my day :) |
| 06:50.04 | jwayne | well, I also was able to put the icons huge for her.. |
| 06:50.14 | jwayne | changed color of the taskbar and what not.. |
| 06:50.58 | jwayne | funniest thing, she didn't want a boot splash.. she wanted the text, that way she can see the progress |
| 06:51.00 | rainfyre | jwayne: I love it. with the update it's going to automatically try to use gnome 3 or gnome-shell though, I had to install MATE so that I could use it |
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| 06:51.25 | rainfyre | jwayne: gnome 2 isn't in lmde anymore if you were using it |
| 06:51.51 | jwayne | ah. shucks. I'll move her to squeeze then |
| 06:52.09 | jwayne | (or not update, obviously) |
| 06:52.26 | rainfyre | heh |
| 06:53.08 | rainfyre | MATE looks and acts exactly like gnome 2, that was the whole idea. I can't tell the difference |
| 06:54.03 | jwayne | Googling MATE. |
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| 06:55.11 | rainfyre | jwayne: I'd never heard of it before the update pack 4. it ships now with cinnamon, gnome shell, gnome 3 or mate. |
| 06:55.27 | jwayne | ok |
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| 06:57.52 | jwayne | I think I'll try MATE on this machine.. |
| 06:58.00 | jwayne | rather than using the fallback |
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| 06:58.51 | rainfyre | jwayne: it let me keep everything set up just how I learned how to use it. mintmenu and all. |
| 06:59.04 | rainfyre | jwayne: gnome-shell was really strange |
| 06:59.16 | jwayne | it is strange eh. |
| 06:59.31 | jwayne | I would use it, if I was on a desktop and big screen |
| 06:59.45 | jwayne | Laptop, I'ld rather use panels |
| 06:59.47 | rainfyre | yea |
| 06:59.53 | rainfyre | seemed like I couldn't configure normal things |
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| 07:00.38 | rainfyre | yeah |
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| 07:10.21 | greyEAX | are there any filesystems that are supported natively by both linux and windows? |
| 07:10.46 | greyEAX | i want to dualboot, but i dont want to jump through hoops to try and use files from each system |
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| 07:12.19 | SpComb | greyEAX: easiest by far is cifs/samba :) |
| 07:12.25 | SpComb | if you have a NAS |
| 07:12.34 | greyEAX | nas? |
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| 07:12.45 | SpComb | network fileserver |
| 07:13.02 | greyEAX | oic |
| 07:13.21 | greyEAX | i dont think i do |
| 07:13.37 | greyEAX | basically i just want to use my windows partition for gayman and loonix for everything else |
| 07:13.52 | greyEAX | but i want to be able to say, play music from my linux part while im gayman on windows |
| 07:14.17 | waldvogel | greyEAX: ntfs support ist pretty good... but you can also use FAT32 |
| 07:14.34 | greyEAX | yeah ntfs support is garbage so i figured that was out the window |
| 07:14.44 | greyEAX | fat32 doesnt seem bad |
| 07:14.57 | greyEAX | but idk if that means ill be taking a performance hit or smth |
| 07:15.05 | waldvogel | well, ntfs support is NOT garbage IMO |
| 07:15.20 | waldvogel | of course you have to use ntfs-3g |
| 07:15.41 | cantido | there is an ext driver for windows that sort of works too |
| 07:15.47 | greyEAX | does ntfs-3g have full support though though? |
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| 07:15.53 | greyEAX | like reading/writing/loving? |
| 07:16.07 | greyEAX | i remember seeing in the linux kernel something about write support being dodgy for ntfs |
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| 07:16.42 | waldvogel | it's pretty good I think... can do everything |
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| 07:17.19 | greyEAX | k |
| 07:17.24 | greyEAX | cos i just looked into fat32 |
| 07:17.30 | greyEAX | and max filesize is like 4gb |
| 07:17.30 | cantido | greyEAX: the ntfs support in the kernel and ntfs-3g are different things, ntfs-3g is fuse based |
| 07:17.32 | greyEAX | which is terrible |
| 07:17.38 | greyEAX | cantido, oic cool |
| 07:17.45 | greyEAX | well to be honest i dont know crap about nothing |
| 07:18.01 | greyEAX | im just working off of information picked up on my own |
| 07:18.18 | cantido | the "32" part in fat32 points to it's max file size .. |
| 07:18.19 | greyEAX | basically im more worried about accessing files from linux in windows |
| 07:18.24 | greyEAX | cantido, yeah |
| 07:18.27 | cantido | s/it's/its/ |
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| 07:18.45 | greyEAX | cos like i said the only thing id be using windows for would be games if i do this |
| 07:19.00 | greyEAX | so not of lot of accessing the win7 part would be necessary |
| 07:19.04 | greyEAX | but id still want it to be functional |
| 07:19.58 | cantido | if you only want to access small files and you don't care about perms etc.. fat is ok |
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| 07:20.14 | greyEAX | well im thinking |
| 07:20.19 | greyEAX | if ntfs-3g works |
| 07:20.25 | greyEAX | then i can just do that |
| 07:20.33 | cantido | it's well documented etc so you shouldn't have a situation where reverse engineered drivers kill the fs :) |
| 07:20.42 | greyEAX | oic |
| 07:22.09 | greyEAX | i really wanna figure out these audio errors then |
| 07:22.14 | greyEAX | if im gonna use debian as my main |
| 07:22.17 | greyEAX | :| |
| 07:22.36 | jvcleave | so x11 takes a minimum of 30MB? |
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| 07:22.51 | jvcleave | of ram? |
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| 07:23.59 | greyEAX | can anyone help me with my mic issue? |
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| 07:24.05 | greyEAX | should i switch to pulseaudio instead of alsa? |
| 07:24.23 | greyEAX | i dont really know much about the audio stuff in linux and its the major thing that is dissuading me from sticking with linux |
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| 07:25.12 | jwayne | greyEAX: did you install both alsa-base, pulseaudio? |
| 07:25.13 | aBound | Audio stuff? What you mean by that. |
| 07:25.19 | aBound | Oops. |
| 07:25.20 | aBound | :P |
| 07:25.36 | cantido | can play mp3 and flac just fine in debian ;) |
| 07:25.57 | aBound | Bans banshee forever :) |
| 07:26.06 | greyEAX | jwayne, yeah |
| 07:26.17 | aBound | VLC can play flac and mp3's with ease. |
| 07:26.19 | aBound | :) |
| 07:26.42 | jwayne | greyEAX: ok, open up alsamixer and make sure your mic isn't muted then.. pulse is your client, alsa is your driver (server basically) |
| 07:26.47 | greyEAX | i cant open alsamixer |
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| 07:26.50 | greyEAX | thats part of the problem |
| 07:26.52 | peterrooney | greyEAX: there do exist some ext3 drivers for windows XP, but I can't remember if the ext3fs project has continued to vista, 7, or 8. |
| 07:27.00 | greyEAX | cannot load mixer controls invalid argument |
| 07:27.18 | greyEAX | peterrooney k thx ill look that up now |
| 07:27.37 | jwayne | greyEAX: you get sound output though? |
| 07:27.45 | greyEAX | yeah |
| 07:27.50 | greyEAX | and i get it from more than one application at once |
| 07:27.50 | greyEAX | which is nice |
| 07:28.09 | greyEAX | i dont think i have an alsaconf though |
| 07:28.11 | greyEAX | i read that that might fix it |
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| 07:28.19 | greyEAX | but at the same time it broke being able to play more than one sound at once |
| 07:28.50 | jwayne | I've done without alsaconf. |
| 07:29.00 | cantido | would have hoped most chipsets could do hardware mixing by now.. |
| 07:29.10 | peterrooney | i thought alsaconf was discontinued |
| 07:29.23 | peterrooney | ,versions alsaconf |
| 07:29.24 | judd | No package named 'alsaconf' was found in i386. |
| 07:29.27 | jwayne | greyEAX: have you checked your logs? maybe there's more information as to why you get that error |
| 07:29.29 | greyEAX | well im using built in audio on my motherboard |
| 07:29.36 | greyEAX | i dont know how to check |
| 07:29.37 | greyEAX | or rather |
| 07:29.41 | greyEAX | i dunno where it saves loge |
| 07:29.43 | greyEAX | *logs |
| 07:29.53 | jwayne | just your messages i would hope |
| 07:32.14 | greyEAX | ill brb |
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| 07:33.32 | greyEAX | haha what am i listening to |
| 07:33.40 | greyEAX | whoops wrong channel |
| 07:33.54 | greyEAX | i am back however |
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| 07:37.50 | Darvince | test |
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| 07:54.25 | greyEAX | what is .asoundrc compared to alsa.conf? |
| 07:54.29 | greyEAX | or asound.conf |
| 07:54.33 | greyEAX | i dont really understand all this |
| 07:54.38 | greyEAX | and i dont want to break stuff |
| 07:54.46 | greyEAX | but i dont want to just sit here doing nothing to fix my problem |
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| 07:56.58 | steppe_ | hi |
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| 08:04.10 | buu | "ping: sendmsg: no buffer space available" |
| 08:05.08 | buu | Brand new linux box, new install/hardware, I boot it up, and run ping. It pings 664 times then prints out that error message and the network dies |
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| 08:10.33 | buu | HELP |
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| 08:11.00 | buu | Also dmesg is useless |
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| 08:44.40 | buu | Anyone? |
| 08:44.51 | FirePowi | Heh |
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| 08:44.55 | FirePowi | Yes :-) |
| 08:45.03 | k-man | buu, what is the error? |
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| 08:45.12 | k-man | and does it always work 664 times exactly? |
| 08:46.26 | jelly-home | buu: new hardware often had quirks that need to be addressed in drivers. Try a different (newer) kernel. |
| 08:48.04 | buu | jelly-home: I'm attempting to find one but am slightly confused |
| 08:48.29 | buu | k-man: after some amount of heavyish network load ping starts saying things like "ping: sendmsg: no buffer space available |
| 08:48.38 | buu | And networking dies |
| 08:48.44 | buu | (Although I can still ping localhost) |
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| 08:49.16 | jelly-home | buu: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:49.27 | buu | jelly-home: Squeeze |
| 08:49.37 | jelly-home | buu: what does "uname -r" say at present time? |
| 08:49.47 | buu | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:50.02 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell buu about bdo kernel |
| 08:50.23 | jelly-home | buu: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 08:51.40 | buu | jelly-home: I have backports already, is there some reason they don't show up when I do apt-cache search linux-image ? |
| 08:51.45 | buu | Or search bpo or similar |
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| 08:52.50 | buu | Also performing the search bdo kernel tells me to perform only gives me a list of 3.2.0 kernels |
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| 08:53.10 | jelly-home | buu: 3.2.0 is newer than what you have now |
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| 08:53.25 | buu | Good point |
| 08:53.37 | buu | installs and hopes for the best |
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| 08:57.26 | buu_ | Woo, success so far |
| 08:58.08 | jelly-home | did it pass 664 pings already |
| 08:58.22 | buu_ | It's up to 128, I'll let you know =] |
| 08:58.37 | buu_ | jelly-home: I could pretty consistently make the network die by joining an irc channel with a few hundred users |
| 08:58.42 | buu_ | And it's still working so far |
| 08:59.10 | FirePowi | Welcomme in FreeNode ^^' |
| 08:59.12 | FirePowi | -m |
| 08:59.43 | nsadmin | -in+to |
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| 09:00.22 | FirePowi | How ? |
| 09:00.38 | nsadmin | Yes, it's true... |
| 09:00.44 | nsadmin | I AM indian... |
| 09:00.54 | FirePowi | Welcome in to in FreeNode ? |
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| 09:01.18 | nsadmin | -in-in |
| 09:01.24 | Ragnar | heh |
| 09:01.26 | FirePowi | Ah ok :-) |
| 09:01.36 | FirePowi | Welcome to FreeNode :p |
| 09:01.39 | FirePowi | Thanks |
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| 09:19.29 | ITHKS_NOR | Hey all. How do i fix the problem with mysql-server not starting after upgrading from lenny to squeeze ? |
| 09:20.23 | themill | dpkg: tell ITHKS_NOR about mysql squeeze |
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| 09:29.37 | nopf | hey. i just did a dist-upgrade on some sid-derivate.... now on the graphical login a only get my "hostname" which changes to "debian gnu/linux unsatble(sid)" when i click. no userlist. what do i do? reinstall gdm or what? *is* it gdm? |
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| 09:32.03 | themill | nopf: please ask your derivative's help channel/form/mailing list. |
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| 09:34.02 | Sami345 | Is trash located in the swap maybe? |
| 09:34.21 | nopf | yeah, thought so... will do after reinstalling gdm3... |
| 09:34.28 | nopf | Sami345: that's for me? |
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| 09:34.51 | nopf | ...the logs say something about gdm and permission... hm |
| 09:35.01 | Sami345 | nopf, no, it is just a question |
| 09:35.09 | nopf | Sami345: oh :) |
| 09:35.30 | Sami345 | I am just wondering how come I had already items in trash on a freshly installed system with partition formatted :D |
| 09:35.42 | Sami345 | I didn't format swap so... |
| 09:35.50 | themill | Sami345: no. ~/.local/share/Trash/ is the normal location |
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| 09:37.23 | nopf | seems like the dist-upgrade only went partially through... on 'reinstall gdm' i get loads of 'setting up ...' for things having nothing to do with gdm... maybe it works later :) |
| 09:37.45 | sl0wz | dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 09:37.51 | sl0wz | i think thats the line |
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| 09:39.07 | nopf | yeah. i just wonder why that has to be triggerd by me. well living on sid this may be normal :) |
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| 09:41.07 | themill | the answer would be in the output of your previous apt run |
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| 09:55.16 | project2501a | where on earth is the postgres channel? |
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| 09:57.23 | Eninem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:06.38 | nopf | ... works no :) |
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| 10:08.16 | nopf | err *now* :) |
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| 10:15.31 | project2501a | Eninem: looks like #postgresql is +i |
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| 10:16.45 | jubo2 | I need make or gmake ... which package to install? I hear saying there is a 'build-essentials' or something very similar that has make |
| 10:17.19 | project2501a | jubo2: if you need *just* make, apt-get install make |
| 10:17.20 | valdyn | !b-e jubo2 |
| 10:17.21 | dpkg | jubo2: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 10:17.49 | jubo2 | 'k thanks.. |
| 10:19.43 | Eninem | eh i got in ok project2501a |
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| 10:25.36 | TuRnaD0 | is there a test program to see if my hardware is working right ? |
| 10:25.42 | jubo2 | Ok.. got make.. now need latex.. aptitude says "no package named latex and over 40 packages contain string latex" |
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| 10:26.02 | rudi_s | jubo2: aptitude install texlive |
| 10:26.16 | jubo2 | rudi_s: tnx |
| 10:26.23 | rudi_s | np |
| 10:27.05 | klys | TuRnaD0: ls /sys/devices |
| 10:27.53 | TuRnaD0 | thx klys |
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| 10:40.57 | Kelly | hello, i have made update and upgrade all my debian backports |
| 10:41.04 | Kelly | and my gdm doesn't start |
| 10:41.16 | Kelly | anyone can help with nvidia install? |
| 10:41.24 | nkuttler | !tell Kelly about nvidia |
| 10:41.24 | Kelly | i only have sheel :S |
| 10:42.16 | Kelly | thanks nkuttler |
| 10:42.25 | Kelly | i made that :S and doesn't help:( |
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| 10:44.36 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 10:44.37 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 10:50.27 | project2501a | !smart questions |
| 10:50.28 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 11:14.47 | wodemaye_ | hi, my gnome-panels seem to have all crashed and alt-f2 doesn't work. is there any way for me to get a nautilus window back without rebooting? |
| 11:15.17 | wodemaye_ | if i access virtual terminal 1 and execute `nautilus`, will it start a whole new instance of x in that VT? |
| 11:16.02 | valdyn | wodemaye_: nautilus is just a file manager, it does not start X |
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| 11:16.26 | wodemaye_ | valdyn, but its a graphical app. so what happens when i run the command in a nongraphical virtual terminal? |
| 11:16.35 | valdyn | wodemaye_: try and see |
| 11:16.46 | wodemaye_ | i don't want to crash anything as i'll lose more work. |
| 11:16.49 | wodemaye_ | i'm in a live cd. |
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| 11:17.18 | wodemaye_ | valdyn, will it restart my gnome-panels in VT7 if I run it in VT1? |
| 11:17.21 | jozefk | :) |
| 11:17.30 | wodemaye_ | hi jozefk |
| 11:17.32 | valdyn | wodemaye_: save your work, try these things yourself |
| 11:17.47 | valdyn | wodemaye_: and dont waste our time like it was free please |
| 11:17.56 | jozefk | did you heard about Ctrl+S sometimes? |
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| 11:19.47 | jozefk | if not, this is the right way to learn about it :) |
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| 11:21.22 | lelu | has the awstats package been abandoned on debian? |
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| 11:22.54 | babilen | lelu: It has not AFAICT -- http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/awstats.html -- What gives you the impression? |
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| 11:23.38 | lelu | babilen: well I just installed it using aptitude and /usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/wwwroot/cgi-bin/awstats.pl doesn't exist |
| 11:24.12 | lelu | amongst other irregularities |
| 11:25.21 | Kelly | what is the best driver for nvidia nvidia driver from nvidia site or nouveau? |
| 11:25.51 | wodemaye_ | valdyn, how am i wasting your time? if you don't think a question is worth answering, don't answer it... |
| 11:27.01 | jozefk | Kelly, the best one is the one which is working good for you |
| 11:27.21 | Kelly | thanks jozefk ;) |
| 11:27.37 | babilen | lelu: So you found problems with the package. Why do you think that /usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/wwwroot/cgi-bin/awstats.pl should exist? I can see /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl in the file list. |
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| 11:28.45 | babilen | lelu: What other irregularities are these? Irregular in regard to what? Have you read /usr/share/doc/awstats/README.Debian.gz ? |
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| 11:29.32 | lelu | babilen: Yes. My problem is that google provides links to documentation that is out of date with surprisingly little documentation on the irregularities between what the documentation says and what should be done in debian. I would expect that /usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/wwwroot/cgi-bin/awstats.pl should exist because the package install script tells me it should and the update pl script references it |
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| 11:31.06 | babilen | lelu: You seem to be using documentation that has not been written for Debian. Which scripts are you referring to? I was under the impression that you installed the package from Debian rather than using some installation script? Could you please paste your commands and the errors you see? I would furthermore recommend to read the README.Debian.gz and not some documentation that is not applicable. |
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| 11:32.05 | babilen | lelu: Paste them to http://paste.debian.net that is |
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| 11:34.24 | corpus | hello to all |
| 11:34.36 | lelu | babilen: I did install from debian. The install went as such http://bin.cakephp.org/view/112517324 |
| 11:35.18 | lelu | Following instructions from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/277 and http://www.debianadmin.com/apache-log-file-analyzer-using-awstats-in-debian.html |
| 11:35.44 | babilen | lelu: Why do you think that you have to run that perl script? Why do you think that you have to run it as your normal user? Please bear with me as I am *not* familiar with awstats, but I am willing to learn. |
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| 11:37.13 | babilen | lelu: Those articles are *very* old -- I wouldn't base anything I do on documentation that is older than 4 years. Give me a minute while I read README.Debian.gz |
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| 11:37.36 | lelu | Im reading the README.Debian atm |
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| 11:38.13 | babilen | lelu: Have you read it and configured awstats accordingly? Did you follow the "Quick'n'dirt setup? |
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| 11:40.35 | babilen | lelu: There is also extensive documentation in /usr/share/doc/awstats/html -- I can't really talk you through configuring it, but I don't have the impression so far that the Debian package is buggy. |
| 11:42.10 | lelu | babilen: I believe I have it all working now… Just need to import 100+ gziped apache log files |
| 11:42.10 | lelu | haha |
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| 11:42.25 | babilen | lelu: It also seems as if awstats_configure.pl makes assumptions about the installation location that are not true on Debian (e.g. "/usr/local/awstats" (line 16-22 in your paste)) -- I am not convinced that it can/should be used like you did. |
| 11:42.51 | lelu | I agree. |
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| 11:42.55 | babilen | lelu: Ok - Do you believe that the Debian package is buggy or that some documentation could be better? |
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| 11:44.01 | TomLM | Firefox is in another language how do i change it to english? (Tried googling even tried asking mozilla) |
| 11:44.07 | lelu | Until you mentioned it I didn't know that the README.Debian.gz existed, which is partly because I was trying to do things quickly and didn't look at the package file list. That documentation is well written and I now know what went wrong. |
| 11:44.50 | babilen | !tell lelu -about readme.debian |
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| 11:45.30 | babilen | lelu: It is a standard file that is shipped with almost every Debian package if it diverges from upstream. (Or if the maintainer just want to give some guidance on how to use/configure a package) |
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| 11:46.16 | babilen | lelu: Enjoy your statistics! :) |
| 11:46.28 | lelu | Thankyou |
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| 11:47.27 | babilen | TomLM: How did you install firefox? Debian does not come with firefox, but with Iceweasel. |
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| 11:47.49 | TomLM | babilen, I downloaded it from the linuxmint repositories. |
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| 11:48.17 | babilen | TomLM: We really cannot support that. I would recommend to ask in a mint channel. |
| 11:48.22 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 11:48.26 | babilen | TomLM: Are you using Debian? |
| 11:48.37 | TomLM | Yes. |
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| 11:49.01 | babilen | TomLM: Why did you install software from mint then? Do you know about http://mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 11:49.20 | TomLM | No i did not know about that. |
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| 11:52.04 | babilen | TomLM: http://mozilla.debian.net gives you newer versions of Icweasel (current release, beta and aurora) -- It also contains localisation packages such as iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw (traditional chinese)) -- It should contain all you need. Please *never ever* mix Debian with anything but backports. In particular never mix it with Ubuntu/Mint/Aptosid/.../based-on-Debian |
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| 11:52.36 | TomLM | Okay |
| 11:52.41 | babilen | TomLM: I would therefore strongly recommend to remove the mint packages and add http://mozilla.debian.net -- You can then install iceweasel 11 from there along with whatever localisation package you want. |
| 11:53.22 | TomLM | When i run apt-get update it shows this, http://pastie.org/3833201 |
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| 11:57.21 | threadlock | TomLM: is the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package installed as the mozille.debian.net page suggested? |
| 11:57.31 | threadlock | mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:57.46 | TomLM | Nope. |
| 11:58.00 | threadlock | then that's why |
| 11:58.08 | babilen | ^ this ;) |
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| 12:00.08 | Amarande | hrm. did youtube suddenly stop supporting the version of flash that gnash in squeeze uses? |
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| 12:00.21 | Amarande | it was working fine till a day or so ago and now I can't seem to watch *anything* |
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| 12:01.37 | babilen | Amarande: I would recommend HTML5/WebM w/ IW 11 from http://mozilla.debian.net in lieu of flash. Can't comment on gnash though (works fine with non-free flash player fwiw) |
| 12:02.22 | Amarande | ah there we go. apparently after a while iceweasel starts to silently fail to run certain plugins properly (such as gnash) until the browser is restarted :S |
| 12:02.33 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 12:02.46 | Amarande | babilen, that's fine and dandy if you're creating your own pages. it's not so much an option when you're trying to view existing web content that you didn't create. :) |
| 12:04.33 | babilen | Amarande: Youtube works fine with it -- http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 12:05.38 | gnugr | Amarande:check for "flashplugin-nonfree" and "flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound" |
| 12:06.26 | Amarande | oh yay. the html5 thing does work quite well. :) |
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| 12:22.22 | Listar | hi, i have installed the lm-sensors, and when i finish the sensors-detect the fan1 2 and 3 appears 0 RPM's anyone can help? |
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| 12:33.24 | TomLM | I SUCK BALZ! |
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| 12:33.59 | Eninem | this is true |
| 12:34.07 | TomLM | Someone on remote desktop did that. :S |
| 12:34.18 | Eninem | lol |
| 12:34.26 | babilen | TomLM: Please refrain from such statements in the future. Thank you :) |
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| 12:42.01 | __zero | my computer just completely froze, had to restart, which logs should I go to to try to see what happened? |
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| 12:46.37 | Boreeas | So I'm trying to set up IPv6 support on my vserver, but "modprobe ipv6" gives me "FATAL: Module ipv6 not found." - How do I get/install that module? |
| 12:47.54 | Dagger2 | Boreeas: if it's OpenVZ, you're stuffed, because the provider controls the kernel. you'll have to contact them |
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| 12:48.14 | Dagger2 | Boreeas: assuming they don't already have it loaded, of course... does `ifconfig | grep inet6` give anything? |
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| 12:49.33 | babilen | Boreeas: Check your kernel config -- It might very well be compiled into the kernel (grep -i ipv6 /boot/config-$(uname -r)) |
| 12:49.36 | Boreeas | Dagger2: Yes, ifconfig gives me two local addresses and a global one. But lsmod | grep ipv6 doesn't give me anything |
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| 12:49.55 | Dagger2 | Boreeas: oh... well, if you have addresses, then you're good to go |
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| 12:50.15 | Boreeas | Huh. Alright then |
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| 12:50.19 | Boreeas | Thanks |
| 12:50.22 | Dagger2 | Boreeas: ipv6 is compiled into the kernel starting from squeeze, so there is no module |
| 12:50.27 | babilen | Boreeas: It will be if you are using a Debian kernel -- So please verify your assumptions first. |
| 12:50.56 | Dagger2 | Boreeas: (also, if you're on an OpenVZ VM, lsmod will be empty anyway) |
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| 12:51.15 | SALARIA | which type of verification is good? server level or client level? |
| 12:51.34 | babilen | SALARIA: Verification of what? And how is this related to Debian? |
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| 12:52.20 | Boreeas | Dagger2: Oh, I didn't know that - I followed the instructions of the hoster who told me to use lsmod to check that. Great :P |
| 12:52.25 | SALARIA | Sorry! Its for a website in PHP, but php channel is invite only so could not join it. Looking for this small help here! O.o |
| 12:52.55 | SALARIA | any other channel suggestion? |
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| 12:54.16 | babilen | SALARIA: You have to register with your account (/msg nickserv help register) in order to be able to /join ##php -- Note that your account has already been registered. Ask in #freenode if you forgot your password. |
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| 12:55.21 | SALARIA | bebilen thanks.. |
| 12:55.33 | babilen | np |
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| 13:06.55 | daniel-s_ | hi |
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| 13:07.17 | daniel-s_ | does anyone have a keyboard based window manager they can recommend? |
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| 13:07.35 | daniel-s_ | I have installed awesome, but dwm seems to be more popular |
| 13:07.40 | krisfremen | daniel-s_: xmonad |
| 13:07.57 | daniel-s_ | any reason why? |
| 13:08.28 | krisfremen | well, you said awesome and dwm, tried them both, ended up with xmonnad |
| 13:08.34 | krisfremen | just a personal preference |
| 13:08.42 | krisfremen | you might not like it, but try it out |
| 13:08.59 | gnugr | daniel-s_:you can also try scrotwm |
| 13:09.27 | Rusty1_64 | xmonad is pretty cool once you get the combos down |
| 13:09.52 | daniel-s_ | ok, I want to use something that doesn't require the mouse |
| 13:10.09 | daniel-s_ | I'm on a netbook and it gets really annoying |
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| 13:10.59 | tremon | daniel-s_: you might want to try i3 as well |
| 13:11.09 | gnugr | daniel-s_: check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager |
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| 13:13.31 | dawud | daniel-s_: my personal choice is ratpoison |
| 13:14.20 | babilen | awesome++ |
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| 13:14.54 | krisfremen | rat poison is no longer in development.. is it? and itns full of bugs |
| 13:15.45 | dawud | krisfremen: I've been using upstream git for years and it works for me |
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| 13:17.50 | dawud | krisfremen: that said, it is true hat it's a bit stalled, last commit was Wed May 25 10:07:41 2011 +0200, maybe it's bug free? :) |
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| 13:18.49 | krisfremen | hmm, so they did commit a few new changes, maybe I'll try it out again |
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| 13:20.59 | dawud | krisfremen: if you do, and happen to use checkinstall in a SELinux environment, you'll need to --exclude /selinux in the checkinstall call |
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| 13:21.23 | krisfremen | thanks dawud |
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| 13:27.24 | thewanderer1 | I've apparently exceeded the maximum row number in OO.o Calc while importing a CSV... what now? :P |
| 13:28.02 | jwayne | you win? :\ |
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| 13:28.30 | dsdeiz | hi, any wiki on using xinerama for an extended desktop? |
| 13:29.05 | daniel-s_ | ok, so, I have been using awesome for a few mins |
| 13:29.06 | Dulak | split the csv into multiple files, and import pieces into seperate worksheets |
| 13:29.07 | daniel-s_ | like |
| 13:29.44 | daniel-s_ | I only chose this because for some reason the other one I installed wouldn't work |
| 13:29.51 | daniel-s_ | I think I like tiling window manager |
| 13:29.54 | daniel-s_ | *managers |
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| 13:33.36 | tremon | thewanderer1: try importing it in Base instead |
| 13:34.11 | thewanderer1 | tremon: hmm, makes perfect sense - it's a database dump :P |
| 13:36.12 | thewanderer1 | it worked - thanks! |
| 13:36.18 | tremon | yw |
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| 13:42.01 | pyxorg | Hi, I'm trying to get my printer working with my debian. This is a konica minolta. The documentation talks about "CUPS" and "PDQ driver". I didn't found anything corresponding to "PDQ" on my computer and repositories. |
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| 13:42.26 | pyxorg | I wonder if CUPS was sufficient or if I needed to get the PDQ driver |
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| 13:52.43 | TomLM | I can not hear sound on google chome (On youtube) |
| 13:55.00 | Woet | TomLM: sounds bad, hope you can get it fixed. |
| 13:55.06 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 13:55.33 | tremon | on which package should I report kernel bugs? linux-2.6? linux-image-amd64? the package of the specific kernel I'm running now? |
| 13:55.47 | Woet | tremon: the package of the specific kernel I'm running now |
| 13:56.01 | Woet | the other are just metapackages as far as I know |
| 13:56.40 | tremon | ok thanks. I thought so, but the bts says "no bugs found" on that package so I wanted to make sure |
| 13:57.08 | Woet | well, if it turns out to be wrong someone will just move it to the right package :p |
| 13:58.10 | babilen | TomLM: Make sure that you set PA as default for alsa if you use it. Something like http://paste.debian.net/164420/ in /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc |
| 13:58.32 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 13:59.31 | TomLM | Do i need to create /etc/asound.conf? |
| 14:00.23 | babilen | TomLM: Yes, you do. Note that this is only relevant if you use PA (pulseaudio) |
| 14:00.31 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 14:00.48 | TomLM | It is using alsa by default but i want to use pulseaudio. |
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| 14:07.39 | FelipeAbella | hi, how i can i see the logs of the program which locks the screen? it isn't working since i modified the xorg.conf to include another screen (and looks like xrandr stopped working because of that) |
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| 14:18.41 | TomLM | babilen, My sound still does not work. :S |
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| 14:18.59 | raptor67782 | a question, when will bar be into debian stable repositories? http://sourceforge.net/projects/clpbar/files/clpbar/bar-1.11.1/ |
| 14:19.06 | FelipeAbella | i just solved by isntalling xscreensaver, how can i configure to always start xscreensaver? |
| 14:19.39 | FelipeAbella | (something like .xinitrc, but for gnome) |
| 14:19.52 | nkuttler | raptor67782: when somebody packages and it makes it's way through sid, testing and there's a new debian release |
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| 14:20.02 | raptor67782 | sthg like : xscreensaver & |
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| 14:20.56 | rgr | just add it to your auto start apps in your gnome preferences. couldbt be easier. |
| 14:21.07 | rgr | system/prefs/startup apps |
| 14:21.08 | nkuttler | !tell FelipeAbella about xsession |
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| 14:21.21 | nkuttler | ah, gnome.. never mind |
| 14:21.23 | rgr | no need to fanny about with sys or user config files |
| 14:21.38 | rgr | though Im surprised the installer doesnt do it for you. |
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| 14:23.46 | Skilz | Hey, anyone used the Debian-med packages? |
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| 14:24.09 | Woet | Skilz: no, you would be the first. |
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| 14:24.31 | Skilz | Very interesting and great idea. |
| 14:25.04 | Skilz | I'm particularly interesting in med-oncology |
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| 14:31.36 | rgr | Woet: lol |
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| 14:32.15 | dsdeiz | hi trying to setup xinerama here but can't seem to get it work, this is my /etc/xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/5MYuv8rz current output is still a cloned monitor for 2nd monitor instead of an extended one |
| 14:32.21 | dsdeiz | any ideas? |
| 14:32.23 | rgr | Debian-med looks suspiciously like an under supported, under funded pipe dream to me. |
| 14:32.43 | rgr | dsdeiz: why xinerama? What video card? |
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| 14:33.10 | dsdeiz | intel hd.. dunno. it seems to be the one that comes out popular when i googled |
| 14:33.17 | dsdeiz | like twinview, xinerama, and xrandr |
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| 14:34.31 | rgr | well, if you dont have nvidia every one tells me xrandr is the way but I found it terribly poorly documented, with a plethora of conflicting howtos and almost nowhere to explain how to make the changes permanent. Maybe it changed. I stick with nvidia personally because their settings app actually works now ;) And that uses twinview (which is compatible with xmonad) |
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| 14:35.33 | dsdeiz | yeah, also because of my wm.. also using xmonad |
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| 14:36.42 | raptor67782 | hi , I have just compiled and tested : bar-1.11.1 from peek@tiem.utk.edu |
| 14:36.57 | raptor67782 | the program is robust, it deserves to be into stable debian |
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| 14:41.10 | dsdeiz | ok so if i use xrandr i guess it needs to be run in my .xsession? |
| 14:42.23 | Skilz | Yep |
| 14:42.27 | Skilz | What wm? |
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| 14:42.38 | dsdeiz | xmonad |
| 14:42.52 | Skilz | Hmm, not sure about that, I use Fluxbox. |
| 14:43.21 | dsdeiz | weird, the extended monitor goes to the NSP workspace :D |
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| 14:44.40 | dsdeiz | ah i think i got it now |
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| 14:56.25 | TomLM | Can someone please help me get my sound working? |
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| 14:57.57 | tremon | !alsa-checklist |
| 14:57.57 | rozie | TomLM: what's the problem? |
| 14:57.58 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 14:58.26 | aguitel | anyway to compile gwibber ? |
| 14:58.35 | TomLM | rozie, When i play something on youtube i cant hear anything. |
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| 14:59.57 | babilen | TomLM: Does sound work apart from that? (e.g. "speaker-test -t wav") ? Do other websites work or is it specific to youtube? Did you make the changes I asked you to make and restarted Pulseaudio (most easily done by logging out and back in again) |
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| 15:01.55 | TomLM | babilen, Nope. |
| 15:02.05 | babilen | To all these questions? |
| 15:02.05 | TomLM | Sound does not work at all. |
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| 15:03.03 | TomLM | babilen, All it does is http://pastie.org/3833994 with no sound. |
| 15:03.31 | babilen | That is quite a different problem than the one you reported initially. Which soundcard do you have? Is PA installed or alsa? Are the channels unmuted? (see alsa checklist above) What about the rest of the checklist? Can you raise volumes in pavucontrol? Does "speaker-test -t wav" result in sound? |
| 15:03.52 | babilen | TomLM: What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you? |
| 15:04.24 | TomLM | http://pastie.org/3834002 |
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| 15:04.51 | babilen | TomLM: Could you run "alsamixer" please? Are the channels unmuted? |
| 15:05.18 | TomLM | Nothing is muted. |
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| 15:05.28 | TomLM | The sound is on 100% |
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| 15:05.50 | babilen | TomLM: Speaker connected? Amp turned on? |
| 15:05.59 | TomLM | Yes. |
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| 15:06.30 | babilen | Could you run "alsactl init" and check the results please? |
| 15:06.36 | babilen | (as root) |
| 15:06.56 | TomLM | http://pastie.org/3834016 |
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| 15:07.18 | babilen | TomLM: Did you make the changes I asked you to make? (i.e. create /etc/asound.conf) Did you relogin? |
| 15:07.24 | TomLM | Yes. |
| 15:07.40 | TomLM | I have rebooted many times for other reasons since i did that too. |
| 15:07.51 | babilen | Ok -- do you have sound now? |
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| 15:08.09 | passstab | hi |
| 15:08.16 | TomLM | babilen, Nope. |
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| 15:09.04 | babilen | TomLM: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i audio" give you? |
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| 15:09.56 | passstab | this link includes epiphany as a dependency http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mozplugger |
| 15:10.00 | TomLM | http://pastie.org/3834034 |
| 15:10.05 | passstab | but it is the wrong one |
| 15:10.58 | passstab | should be epiphany-browser |
| 15:11.04 | babilen | TomLM: Which version of Debian do you use? Could you paste the entire output of "lspci -nn" please? |
| 15:11.10 | TomLM | Debian 6 |
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| 15:11.37 | TomLM | http://pastie.org/3834044 |
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| 15:12.35 | babilen | passstab: Nice error -- Please report that bug against mozplugger. (If it hasn't already been reported) |
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| 15:12.47 | passstab | ok |
| 15:12.54 | babilen | TomLM: Which kernel version are you running? |
| 15:13.07 | TomLM | Linux Fusion 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Mar 31 04:00:05 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:15.31 | babilen | TomLM: Ok, you really need a newer kernel on that hardware. Please read "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and install a 3.2 kernel. I would furthermore strongly recommend to install xorg from backports as well. |
| 15:15.58 | babilen | TomLM: Or rather: Just install "linux-image-amd64" and be done with it (from squeeze-backports) |
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| 15:16.30 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 15:17.06 | daniel-s_ | hi, is anyone about to make sense of this output when trying to run openra?: http://pastebin.com/5AjbJEtv |
| 15:17.11 | babilen | TomLM: Let me know if you need help with that. |
| 15:17.18 | babilen | !pastebin.com |
| 15:17.18 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:17.23 | babilen | refuses to open that link |
| 15:17.25 | TomLM | Okay. |
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| 15:19.37 | qarpfen | when encoding with ffmpeg, is it rather advisable to use vorbis or libvorbis? |
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| 15:21.23 | daniel-s_ | babilen: is that better?: http://paste.debian.net/164437/ |
| 15:21.47 | tremon | is struck with wonder as his system informs him that a 3GB tmpfs isn't large enough to compile the linux kernel |
| 15:22.15 | TomLM | babilen, It shows this http://pastie.org/3834088 how do i close that so i can continue with the install? |
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| 15:22.20 | babilen | daniel-s_: Yes, thank you. What is the content of the referenced "graphics.log" ? Which GPU do you have and how is it configured? (e.g. which driver do you use) |
| 15:22.42 | babilen | TomLM: It is a normal pager and you can get out of there by pressing "q" |
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| 15:23.40 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 15:23.47 | jwayne | loves Debian. |
| 15:24.01 | jwayne | (had to.. keeps surprising me how awesome it is eh) |
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| 15:24.50 | passstab | looks like it was fixed in sid |
| 15:24.59 | Shact | Hi guys. I just installed Debian 6 from a flash disk. I've not installed a GUI yet. At the moment I'm trying to install sudo, and it says to insert the CD. It isn't looking at the flash disk. What can I do? Thanks |
| 15:25.14 | daniel-s_ | that's my graphics.log for openra: http://paste.debian.net/164439/ |
| 15:25.46 | daniel-s_ | is that my videocard?: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGD GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 15:25.56 | daniel-s_ | the software renderer? |
| 15:26.43 | babilen | daniel-s_: Please run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" |
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| 15:26.57 | Shact | Also, if it's asking for something I don't have, how do I cancel? You'd think 'escape' but that does nothing |
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| 15:27.20 | daniel-s_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:a011] |
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| 15:28.36 | babilen | daniel-s_: Could you paste the output of "glxinfo" please? |
| 15:28.52 | TomLM | babilen, Done. |
| 15:29.03 | TomLM | Linux Fusion 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 25 10:33:35 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:29.11 | babilen | TomLM: Is it working now? |
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| 15:29.45 | TomLM | babilen, No |
| 15:30.05 | Shact | Lots of helpful people here. Think I'll try something else :D |
| 15:30.08 | daniel-s_ | http://paste.debian.net/164440/ |
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| 15:30.53 | babilen | TomLM: Hmm, well. Not quite sure what is wrong now -- Please repeat the "alsa checklist" and report results. Also run "alsactl init" again and check your mixer levels. Do you have pulseaudio installed? (i.e. "aptitude search ~i~npulseaudio") Did you play with mixer levels in "pavuontrol" ? |
| 15:31.05 | TomLM | Okay. |
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| 15:32.48 | babilen | daniel-s_: Well looks as if you card is missing the GL_ARB_fragment_shader extension. (Not sure why) -- You might want to ask in #intel-gfx about that. It might be due to the version of xserver-xorg-video-intel you have installed (you can get a newer one from "/msg dpkg bdo") or due to your hardware just not supporting that. |
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| 15:33.22 | babilen | daniel-s_: openra seems to require that, but we can't really support that as we do not ship it AFAICT |
| 15:33.29 | TomLM | babilen, Yes i have pulseaudio installed. |
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| 15:33.51 | TomLM | Also bash: pavuontrol: command not found |
| 15:34.15 | babilen | TomLM: it is "pavucontrol" not "pavuontrol" and you might have to install it explicitly. |
| 15:34.47 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 15:35.09 | babilen | How do you test right now? |
| 15:35.09 | TomLM | Is pavuontrol pulseaudio volume control? |
| 15:35.13 | babilen | yes |
| 15:35.18 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 15:35.33 | TomLM | I can get to that from Applications => Sound & Video |
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| 15:35.42 | robin_debspace | Hey all! I just upgraded a Debian Squeeze system to Testing with aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade and everything seemed to work just fine, also the system is up and running now and appears to be alright. But is there anything I should do to verify the update completed successfully and to verify my system's integrity? It's only a testing machine with non-critical data, but I just wanna make sure everything runs smoothly. |
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| 15:36.18 | TomLM | babilen, Thanks, Sound is working now. :) |
| 15:36.19 | babilen | robin_debspace: Please ask that question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) which is a channel specifically for testing/unstable support. |
| 15:36.27 | babilen | TomLM: What was needed? |
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| 15:36.48 | TomLM | I needed to Change the configuration of pulseaudio. |
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| 15:37.01 | TomLM | To "output" instead of "Duplex" |
| 15:37.03 | babilen | ok, great that it works now. Enjoy! |
| 15:37.29 | TomLM | Okay. :) |
| 15:37.40 | robin_debspace | babilen OK thanks, will do! :-) |
| 15:38.04 | babilen | TomLM: I still recommend to also update your xorg to the version in backports btw |
| 15:38.07 | daniel-s_ | babilen: ok, thanks for your help |
| 15:38.11 | TomLM | Okay. |
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| 15:39.28 | babilen | daniel-s_: it might be worth a try to test the version of xserver-xorg-video-intel in backports (/msg dpkg bdo -- install the "xorg" metapackage from squeeze-backports), but *I* am just not sure if this is a software or hardware problem. Hence my suggestion to ask in #intel-gfx (which you have done, lets wait) |
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| 15:53.31 | raptor67682 | well.. clpbar looks like this : 969.6MB at 1.2MB/s ovr: 0:00:41 104% [======================================================================== |
| 15:53.44 | raptor67682 | I never --progress more than 100%... :) |
| 15:54.33 | nsadmin | until now! congrats! |
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| 15:57.23 | TuRnaD0 | if a file gets deleted from /usr/bin how do i get it back ? |
| 15:57.30 | TuRnaD0 | was trying to install firfox |
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| 15:57.38 | jelly-home | TuRnaD0: restore from a backup, or install it again |
| 15:57.40 | babilen | !tell TuRnaD0 -about http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 15:58.14 | babilen | TuRnaD0: I wouldn't necessarily recommend to install firefox -- You can just reinstall whatever package the file you deleted belonged to or restore it from your backups. |
| 15:58.30 | raptor67682 | TuRnaD0: I think that there is a recover applications but for ext3 (aptitute debian) |
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| 15:58.53 | raptor67682 | TuRnaD0: Or Photorec ... it takes long but it works relativly well |
| 15:58.58 | babilen | TuRnaD0: Err, please see http://mozilla.debian.net for an officially supported repository for recent iceweasel (i.e. 11) releases and beta/aurora channels |
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| 15:59.23 | raptor67682 | liek windows recovery tools. |
| 15:59.40 | TuRnaD0 | thx all for the replay :D |
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| 16:00.46 | daniel-s_ | babilen: thanks, worked fine. Installed the version of xorg from backports |
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| 16:01.08 | babilen | daniel-s_: So you merely needed a newer version of the intel driver? |
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| 16:02.32 | TomLM | Java (latest) is not working on google chrome. |
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| 16:03.45 | babilen | TomLM: We do not ship/support Google chrome |
| 16:04.24 | babilen | TomLM: Are you sure that you installed an JRE and its browser plugin? (/me strongly recommends openjdk and icedtea) |
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| 16:04.34 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 16:04.50 | TomLM | What's google's java plugin? |
| 16:04.58 | nsadmin | also at least not ship java |
| 16:06.08 | flaggy | I don't know if it's a bug or I'm missing a package: when I type py-bt while attached to python interpreter I get: http://paste.debian.net/164448/ |
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| 16:09.14 | klys | flaggy: and you are running python 2.6, correct? |
| 16:10.04 | flaggy | yes |
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| 16:16.58 | klys | flaggy: upon examination of your .py, does gdb.Frame inherit from function ? |
| 16:17.24 | klys | I have docs here that state function inherits from callable . |
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| 16:29.33 | jmvidalvia | hi all!getting crazy with an error in rsync... |
| 16:29.47 | jmvidalvia | rsync -e ssh -p 2223 -avzogn rs@192.168.103.123:/home/datos/administracion/ /home/datos/administracion/ |
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| 16:30.02 | jmvidalvia | getting: rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1222) [sender=3.0.7] |
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| 16:32.47 | jelly-home | jmvidalvia: quote the whole of -e parameter. rsync -e 'ssh -p 2223' ... |
| 16:32.48 | acemi | jmvidalvia: rsync -e 'ssh -p 2223 -l rs' ... |
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| 16:33.30 | flaggy | klys: gdb.Frame doesn't seem to be an instance of function. I made the isintance test inside of /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/python2.6-gdb.py it defines a Frame wrapper which isn't a function either |
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| 16:34.32 | klys | flaggy: it appears you know what to do with it |
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| 16:35.00 | N1x__ | hi guys , can find libpisock.so.9 for debian |
| 16:35.04 | jmvidalvia | jelly-home: acemi: won't imagine how much I love. Solved. Thank you! |
| 16:35.06 | N1x__ | any ideas? |
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| 16:35.21 | N1x__ | can't* |
| 16:35.31 | klys | ~pdo |
| 16:35.31 | apt | methinks pdo is http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 16:35.55 | N1x__ | nope |
| 16:36.35 | themill | dpkg: tell N1x__ about apt-file |
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| 16:37.01 | flaggy | looking at google, it seems to be a known bug |
| 16:37.12 | N1x__ | i see |
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| 16:39.02 | mcloy | i have tried alot of times with various options like wget -E -H -k -K -p or -r but i cant get this site full download. http://mazharkaleem.wordpress.com . i need the full size .jpg . any help ? |
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| 16:40.25 | marienz | mcloy: don't spam (ask your question on the channel of the distro you actually use, and give them some time to answer it) |
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| 16:54.59 | rgr | mcloy: what do you mean the full image? YOu would get it. Also look at httrack if you're trying to download entire websites. |
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| 17:01.45 | miki | ciao |
| 17:01.53 | miki | !list |
| 17:01.53 | dpkg | miki: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 17:03.00 | daemonkeeper | ponders to provide an XDCC bot which carries Debian netinst images |
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| 17:06.02 | garo | Suppose foo is a package, after running "aptitude install foo" it asks some configuration questions and i already know which questions it will ask. |
| 17:06.32 | abrotman | garo: debconf-set-selections |
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| 17:06.37 | garo | Is it possible to install foo in a other way so that i already provide the answers too those questions ? |
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| 17:08.01 | garo | abrotman: that's probably what i need, thanks ! |
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| 17:12.42 | eugenmayer | after copying my root to a new parition, i get "not a pxe disk" on boot. Any ideas? |
| 17:13.11 | eugenmayer | all i did is, created a new part, ext3 formatted, rsync -a all the root files, changed grub / fstab |
| 17:13.33 | eugenmayer | it worked when i formatted the root as xfs, but then i reformatted it to ext3 |
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| 17:18.49 | mcloy | rgr, yes. but i cant get the full image |
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| 17:25.29 | PhilFromWork | hello, can somewhere here point me in the right direction for a question about why the latest 3.2.0.2 kernel doesn't support vfat and how I can get support for it again? |
| 17:25.44 | PhilFromWork | I'm using Debian Testing |
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| 17:26.44 | boudiccas | PhilFromWork, #debain-next over on oftc.irc.net |
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| 17:26.58 | boudiccas | #debian-netx |
| 17:27.11 | boudiccas | bollocks! #debian-next |
| 17:27.32 | PhilFromWork | boudiccas: cheers, I knew what you meant. |
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| 17:30.11 | Shact | Hello. I wondered if someone could help me install Intel video drivers? Currently video plays very badly. I did find the page, http://intellinuxgraphics.org but can't follow it. Cheers |
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| 17:31.02 | engla | Shact: xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
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| 17:31.28 | Shact | Engla. Hi. Just type it like that, really? |
| 17:31.42 | Xtreme | guys totem has replaced by default flash player. how can i get my flash player back for nettuts? |
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| 17:32.08 | engla | Shact: nah, that's a package name that you need to install |
| 17:32.19 | Shact | Ah right. I will try. Thanks |
| 17:33.05 | engla | Shact: but on a "regular" install that package should already be there |
| 17:33.33 | Shact | engla, no archives found. I installed from minimal so I could learn things |
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| 17:35.04 | darkknightcz | hi, does someone have idea why i cannot telnet server on port 25 from external ip? (squeeze, postfix, iptables -A FORWARD -i tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT didnt help) |
| 17:35.23 | Xtreme | anyone? |
| 17:36.35 | valdyn | darkknightcz: incoming port 25 is enabled by default and adding a rule to the FORWARD chain is for something else |
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| 17:36.50 | Shact | If I paste this into sources.list, is that right? git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:37.01 | Shact | Or does it need to be deb git://... |
| 17:37.12 | darkknightcz | valdyn: my bad, i meant INPUT |
| 17:37.28 | engla | Shact: you're making things too complicated, that's really not the way |
| 17:37.29 | valdyn | darkknightcz: some isps block 25 |
| 17:37.50 | Shact | engla, well what is the way then? it can't find it in the standard repos |
| 17:38.05 | darkknightcz | valdyn: hmm, it is possible, thanks |
| 17:38.14 | engla | Shact: run apt-get update first? |
| 17:38.32 | engla | Shact: make sure your sources.list is correct for your release of debian |
| 17:38.44 | vlade_imir | darkknightcz: try "iptables -A INPUT -i 'external_interface' -p tcp --dport 25 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
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| 17:38.56 | Shact | engla, nope didn't help |
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| 17:39.34 | darkknightcz | vlade_imir: same thing |
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| 17:40.02 | vlade_imir | darkknightcz: could you paste the output of a iptables-save dump ? |
| 17:40.15 | Shact | Why when I go to this page, http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/xserver-xorg-video-intel doesn't it have the repo details at the very top? Surely of all the pieces of information you could want on the page, that's the most useful |
| 17:41.03 | nsadmin | do you want to solve a problem or fix a website? |
| 17:41.10 | engla | Shact: it's in squeeze, it's in main |
| 17:41.25 | engla | Shact: because you don't need this information per-package |
| 17:42.06 | darkknightcz | vlade_imir: http://pastebin.com/NsrJhZRx |
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| 17:42.36 | Shact | people will search for packages though. When they find them the repo info would be helpful. If someone would just paste that info I'd be sorted |
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| 17:43.19 | engla | dpkg: tell Shact sources.list |
| 17:43.40 | Shact | I'm well aware of sources.list and the command didn't work |
| 17:43.44 | engla | I'm not so good at dpkg it appears. ask the bot |
| 17:43.47 | Shact | OBVIOUSLY it isn't in my cources. list |
| 17:44.02 | nsadmin | Shact, go to gist.github.com and put your sources.list there |
| 17:44.33 | Shact | nsadmin, what in the world makes you think my debian is online yet? |
| 17:44.34 | nsadmin | there's nothing OBVIOUS about it until you provide the file |
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| 17:45.12 | Shact | I'm going. I can figure this out myself faster than talking here.if anyone wanted to help they'd have pasted the repo line long ago. |
| 17:45.15 | jwayne | Shact: bud, you installed debian "minimal" and come in here asking for help.. and you're acting like an ass. |
| 17:45.20 | nsadmin | ok, how many lines start with deb (not # and not deb-src) |
| 17:46.01 | Shact | Becuae no-one will hep. You're all just having a laugh. Trolling as they call it now. You all know the answer and all refuse to paste it |
| 17:46.06 | nsadmin | that is true, you're being aggressive and borderline uncooperative |
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| 17:46.41 | nsadmin | Shact, that's going to include me unless you drop the bullshit |
| 17:47.02 | vlade_imir | darkknightcz: look like a conf problem with dovecot/fail2ban, you can deleted the rule I gave you earlier |
| 17:47.03 | engla | I'm not laughing. if I had fun I'd pursue helping better |
| 17:47.04 | nsadmin | I do NOT have time for you if you fail to cooperatel. |
| 17:47.23 | Shact | not one of you is being co-operative. you are all witholding the info deliberately. i'm going. I can do this quicker on my own. bunch if hypercritical trolling knobs |
| 17:47.43 | Shact | btw i haven't read anything anyone wrote in the last few minutes :P on't care if the answer is there |
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| 17:47.49 | nsadmin | ok, good luck with that... I may be back later |
| 17:48.11 | jwayne | nsadmin: it's national troll day it would seem |
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| 17:48.25 | nsadmin | yeah, and today there's no time for that |
| 17:48.51 | darkknightcz | vlade_imir: fail2ban isnt the problem, dovecot neither, nothing in logs... it just looks like it isnt listening on that port, i will ask my provider about blocking that ports |
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| 17:50.04 | jackweb | Hello! When I set iptables rule, will it be remembered after reboot? Or do I need to run another command to store the blocked IP? |
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| 17:51.05 | Sm0ke0ut | it will not be remembered by default |
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| 17:54.13 | jackweb | Sm0ke0ut: thanks for the answer |
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| 18:00.59 | jackweb | so... I am going to use iptables-save and restore it using a special line in file in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:01.26 | jackweb | but, I found that I need add 'pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.conf' after |
| 18:01.36 | jackweb | iface eth0 inet static |
| 18:01.42 | jackweb | but I don't have it in my file |
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| 18:02.52 | jackweb | http://pastebin.com/91z4wNhf -- this is my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 18:03.59 | jackweb | what to do? |
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| 18:06.45 | pcormack | jackweb: add the pre-up indented after the iface eth0 inet static line |
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| 18:09.40 | pcormack | jackweb: http://paste.debian.net/164473/ |
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| 18:11.08 | jackweb | pcormack: ok, thanks, but what should I do with my previous /etc/network/interfaces content? |
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| 18:12.02 | Defusal | hi everyone, say i use a cpuset to limit all processes to core 0 by default, how can i give root processes priority so that if a process had to ever deadlock and use 100% of the core, it will not lock up my SSH and other critical system services? |
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| 18:12.32 | pcormack | jackweb: looking at that paste network manager is looking after that interface |
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| 18:12.41 | pcormack | can you not add it via gui? |
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| 18:13.36 | nvz | Defusal: pam user limits come to mind |
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| 18:14.37 | nvz | Defusal: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_administrators_security_guide/16_Linux_Limiting_and_Monitoring_Users.html#PAM |
| 18:14.43 | Defusal | nvz, i don't want to limit the resources that can be used |
| 18:14.50 | Defusal | but prioritize critical services |
| 18:15.14 | nvz | Defusal: then use nice/renice set_priority() etc.. |
| 18:15.22 | nvz | the fact is, I don't think you know what you want |
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| 18:15.30 | nvz | which is why you're asking |
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| 18:16.05 | Defusal | nvz, well yeah i don't want to manually prioritize each process, since i don't spawn things like SSHd |
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| 18:17.01 | Defusal | i just don't want critical services to be unresponsive due to a process deadlocking |
| 18:17.12 | Defusal | since i need to put everything on a single core |
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| 18:18.01 | nvz | Defusal: so which is it, are you going to manually stop the unlikely from happening or let the system do it? |
| 18:18.07 | valdyn | Defusal: one single process cannt deadlock the rest normally |
| 18:18.46 | nvz | Defusal: using the tools I mentioned I can think of a dozen ways to do what you're unnecessarily doing.. the easiest being using user limits, and if thats an issue then make a new user to run these services and use its userlimits |
| 18:18.52 | Defusal | valdyn, if a process uses 100% of the core, it could cause an issue |
| 18:18.56 | valdyn | Defusal: no |
| 18:19.27 | Defusal | valdyn, never under any circumstances |
| 18:19.30 | Defusal | are you sure? |
| 18:19.47 | Defusal | i was under the assumption that was a possible issue |
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| 18:19.56 | valdyn | Defusal: its not |
| 18:20.03 | Defusal | nvz, ok thanks i will look into it |
| 18:20.08 | Defusal | valdyn, alright |
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| 18:20.55 | nvz | its theoretically possible in the event that the root user has processes of much higher priority |
| 18:20.56 | valdyn | Defusal: possible issues are memory load making a system unusuably slow and naturally, bugs |
| 18:21.22 | Defusal | valdyn, memory shouldn't be an issue |
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| 18:21.51 | Defusal | i will have all processes resources monitored in the future, but i don't have time to do that for now |
| 18:22.12 | Defusal | but theres 16GB ram, so the chance of that being exhausted at the moment is not likely |
| 18:22.21 | jackweb | pcormack: ok, thanks for the help (on /etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 18:22.43 | Defusal | is manual the recommended way to interface with cpusets in debian? i know suse has a 'cset' python util |
| 18:23.07 | ethos | How do you remove quickstart shortcuts in gnome3? |
| 18:23.51 | nvz | !cpuset |
| 18:23.52 | dpkg | it has been said that cpuset is at http://www.bullopensource.org/cpuset/ |
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| 18:24.48 | nvz | ethos: might be a better question for a gnome channel, since gnome 3 is not in debian stable yet and so far I haven't heard anyone who likes it |
| 18:25.10 | ethos | Well I am using gnome3 fallback |
| 18:25.20 | ethos | but ill go ask there |
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| 18:25.42 | nvz | sounds like you'll get more help from users of it.. cause I highly doubt anyone in here would touch it |
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| 18:30.41 | Defusal | nvz, thanks |
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| 18:38.11 | ross` | hey can someone help me |
| 18:38.17 | ross` | getting spamassassin to work with exim4 is confusing me |
| 18:38.18 | ross` | @.@ |
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| 18:38.53 | _ramok | hi |
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| 18:39.00 | _ramok | currently i have this rewrite conditions: RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$ RewriteRule ^/?(.*)$ https://www.mydomain.com/$1 [L] that redirects all variants, e.g. mydomain.com or http://domain.com to https. How can i avoid it for the .com page? i would like just to have http://www.domain.com if someone enters domain.com and for all other routes, i want to have https |
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| 18:49.50 | CrazyGir | hello! http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gtkpod I need to use a newer version of gtkpod (squeeze has pre 1.0, doesn't support any ipod after 2007), would I be better to try to get this through debian or not? |
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| 18:51.40 | colock | hello. |
| 18:52.23 | colock | say I would like to setup a mirror for my LAN, and that i want to put some custom extra packages (or home-brewed existing packages) on it... |
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| 18:52.52 | colock | how should i deal with that? creating a custom "debian version" (i.e. my-squeeze?) |
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| 18:53.53 | Dirk_Arft | hello |
| 18:54.10 | colock | hi Dirk_Arft |
| 18:55.11 | Dirk_Arft | to be honest I am very new to irc, but not too Debian |
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| 18:56.08 | Dirk_Arft | can anyone read me? |
| 18:56.12 | colock | welcomes Dirk_Arft |
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| 18:56.28 | colock | Dirk_Arft: "copy that" |
| 18:56.43 | Dirk_Arft | ?? |
| 18:57.02 | colock | means: "got what you said, understood" |
| 18:57.20 | Dirk_Arft | thanks - as i said ... |
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| 18:57.49 | colock | what you said? |
| 18:57.55 | colock | oh, new to irc |
| 18:58.06 | Dirk_Arft | i said that i am quite a newbie with irc |
| 18:58.06 | colock | "copy that" is more like military/police/tv series |
| 18:58.23 | ompaul | either of you got debian questions? |
| 18:58.24 | dvs | 10-4? |
| 18:59.13 | Dirk_Arft | not at the moment, i am just trying to learn how to communicate in an irc |
| 18:59.35 | Dirk_Arft | at the moment my Debian testing runs rather well |
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| 18:59.55 | colock | ompaul: yes |
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| 19:00.05 | colock | ompaul: what to setup a mirror for local debian installs |
| 19:00.06 | colock | *want |
| 19:00.12 | colock | and put in there some custom packages |
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| 19:00.40 | Dirk_Arft | only thing is that i have a minor prob with the xfce panel, but i will put that to #debian-xfce |
| 19:00.46 | colock | question is: what tools? |
| 19:01.07 | ompaul | !tell colock about mirror |
| 19:01.51 | ompaul | colock: please read the information there in detail, using /msg dpkg <this-word> to get answers about other stuff leaving out the < > |
| 19:03.14 | CrazyGir | hello! http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gtkpod I need to use a newer version of gtkpod (squeeze has pre 1.0, doesn't support any ipod after 2007), would I be better to try to get this through debian or not? |
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| 19:03.27 | CrazyGir | I'm running squeeze atm |
| 19:03.30 | nsadmin | colock, you can also have a cache instead of a mirror |
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| 19:04.04 | colock | nsadmin: works for custom packages too? |
| 19:04.37 | colock | lately i should maintain a bunch of version, some debian profiles for servers and some ubuntu profiles for workstations |
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| 19:05.09 | nsadmin | for the custom ones, you can make either a mirror-organized reoo or the more simpler form (see: man 5 sources.list, man dpkg-scanpackages, man dpkg-scansources) |
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| 19:06.53 | colock | mirror-organized repo is simply a HTTP daemon with the expected directory structure nsadmin ? |
| 19:07.00 | colock | what about Packages.gz and things like that? |
| 19:08.26 | nsadmin | the info about all that is in those three man pages, and also in |
| 19:08.29 | nsadmin | !mirror |
| 19:08.29 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:08.32 | colock | scanpackages |
| 19:08.37 | colock | okay |
| 19:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | I have a server with a multipath san drive. It was booted with network problems and didn't see on of it's drives. How do I get it to re-scan without rebooting? |
| 19:08.58 | nsadmin | well unless renamed, it's dpkg-scanpackages |
| 19:09.11 | colock | i implied the 'dpkg-' prefix |
| 19:09.13 | colock | sorry |
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| 19:09.30 | SpComb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502292 <-- has anyone fixed this NFSv4 + idmapd + nslcd bug from 2008? |
| 19:09.33 | nsadmin | np, just making sure the communication happened |
| 19:09.36 | loddafnir | whats up with the key servers? # gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv AED4B06F473041FA |
| 19:09.36 | loddafnir | gpg: requesting key 473041FA from hkp server wwwkeys.pgp.net |
| 19:09.36 | loddafnir | gpg: keyserver timed out |
| 19:09.36 | loddafnir | gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error |
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| 19:09.51 | SpComb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=nfs-utils stills hows it as open ^^ |
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| 19:10.28 | colock | the cache way seems nice, like, i.e. some transparent proxy thing or just set it up in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:10.40 | colock | thanks a lot |
| 19:11.06 | nsadmin | SpComb, I would think that someone who read that report and then fixed it would have added to the report |
| 19:11.17 | nsadmin | why... do you want to fix it? |
| 19:12.00 | nsadmin | colock, well, you'd have a cache and also a simple mirror (I would think) |
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| 19:12.48 | colock | the cache would fetch non (yet) existant packages from official repos, and keep them for later use, right? |
| 19:12.53 | colock | while the simple mirror will serve custom packages |
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| 19:13.38 | SpComb | nsadmin: no, I just experienced the exact same issue in a production environment >_> |
| 19:13.49 | SpComb | and was kinda wondering about the still-open-from-2008 bug report |
| 19:14.09 | SpComb | need to consider NFSv3 |
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| 19:14.39 | nsadmin | what version of debian are you running |
| 19:15.20 | colock | me? |
| 19:15.29 | colock | guess not... |
| 19:15.31 | nsadmin | EVERYONE! |
| 19:15.50 | tremon | SpComb: I've not read the bug fully, but could it be that idmapd is started before the network is fully up and hence it cannot resolve the machine's domain name? Is the domain name hardcoded in idmapd.conf or not entered (in which case idmapd relies on dns resolution)? |
| 19:15.51 | nsadmin | err hold that thought... |
| 19:16.21 | tremon | runs debian 7 on most boxen |
| 19:16.27 | colock | squeeze |
| 19:16.44 | colock | well, currently running some mix of sabayon and gentoo, but preparing a bunch of debian squeeze virtual machines |
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| 19:17.26 | colock | setting up things for a startup, kubuntu for users, debian squeeze for servers |
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| 19:19.22 | elvisthedj | Can anyone recommend an application that runs under an x session and monitors for particular key sequences? I don't seem to be googling properly.. In other words, if i'm in X .. staring at my desktop, but type some key sequence "bunchofcharacters" .. something will be executed |
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| 19:20.20 | colock | elvisthedj: is dmenu something for you? |
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| 19:20.33 | colock | it will show a list of completions (it runs _commands_) |
| 19:20.50 | colock | for a keylogger-like thing, i think you should either write something in C or script out xev |
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| 19:21.24 | colock | or just monitor the /dev/input/eventX corresponding to your keyboard |
| 19:22.24 | elvisthedj | colock: thx. Perhaps the latter.. I have a magstripe reader.. when you swipe a card, it puts out a user defined header before actually spitting out the card info |
| 19:22.48 | elvisthedj | so i need something to execute when the keyboard spits the header out so the resulting app can deal with the data that follows |
| 19:23.03 | colock | i see :) |
| 19:23.06 | colock | happy hacking |
| 19:23.13 | DebianUser001 | pulseaudio |
| 19:23.14 | grobda24 | elvisthedj, there is a native/inbuilt utility in Xorg for that but the name escapes me. Will prob come to me in a moment. |
| 19:23.16 | elvisthedj | thanks again :) |
| 19:23.37 | colock | elvisthedj: well, you will actually need to grab some /dev/stdin |
| 19:23.39 | colock | SO |
| 19:23.52 | colock | why don't just open a text file or a program waiting for user input? |
| 19:24.00 | colock | and let the magic happen by itself? |
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| 19:25.25 | elvisthedj | colock: right.. i just want to be able to swipe the card and have something (like a text editor) open ... it would be fine if i was always in a terminal.. i could just make the header start vim.. but when i'm in X, its tougher because i can't just start typing commands as if i were in a console |
| 19:25.26 | SpComb | tremon: the domain part of the user@domain is hardcoded into idmapd.conf |
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| 19:25.44 | SpComb | tremon: but the users all come from nss -> nss_ldapd -> nslcd -> ldap, and I assume that only gets started after nfs-common here |
| 19:26.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any solution to making a drive backup image of Debian on a RAID0 setup? |
| 19:26.22 | colock | elvisthedj: the proper way would be to setup udev to recognize your reader and _avoid_ seeing it as a keyboard (i guess) |
| 19:26.40 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, I like a tarball per partition |
| 19:26.43 | tremon | SpComb: have you tried patching out the status mangling in idmapd.c? Several workarounds have been mentioned there too |
| 19:26.46 | colock | then you could just put a daemon program listening to the proper /dev/input/card-reader file and act accordingly |
| 19:26.51 | elvisthedj | colock: the reader is built into the keyboard i'm typing on.. it just spits out data as if the keys were pressed :D |
| 19:27.14 | colock | are you sure your Xorg sees only one keyboard? |
| 19:27.29 | colock | xinput list |
| 19:27.30 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, also you would need some kind of rescue media that knows how to activate your raid |
| 19:27.35 | SpComb | tremon: I'll have to debug on it later once I start setting up the new shell host |
| 19:27.42 | nsadmin | maybe a live cd or something |
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| 19:30.01 | elvisthedj | colock: yep. if i go into vi and swipe a card.. everything appears fine.. i just need some daemon that runs and watches for "whateverIdefine" and then responds with something to catch the data.. |
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| 19:30.17 | elvisthedj | colock: but yes.. only one keyboard |
| 19:30.30 | elvisthedj | all the card decoding happens inside the keyboard |
| 19:30.35 | elvisthedj | its fancy :) and stupid |
| 19:30.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: Im using softraid. If I used dd for each drive and made a tar.gz would that compress the empty space? I'm thinking not. |
| 19:30.43 | colock | elvisthedj: gpm was doing something like that |
| 19:30.51 | colock | elvisthedj: for the mouse |
| 19:31.26 | colock | so that the console would get /dev/input/mice, use it and repeat the stream to a pipe for Xorg use |
| 19:31.35 | elvisthedj | ah |
| 19:31.42 | colock | you would maybe want to start the deamon before X |
| 19:31.50 | colock | and configure X to use the repeater as the mouse input |
| 19:31.58 | colock | errr keyboard |
| 19:32.02 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, the reason you need rescue media, is: if it comes down to having to restore from your backup, for one, you need to know how to do it, and that is relative to the plan you make up for backing up your entire drive (plan is approximately a schedule of what part of your system is backed up when and how often) |
| 19:32.27 | colock | but as you only need to read |
| 19:32.41 | colock | (it's a keyboard!) then i *think* that concurrent access is okay |
| 19:33.00 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, what if you get totally new hardware, and you don't use raid anymore, and you need to restore |
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| 19:33.09 | colock | but you may loose some data while launching the program after the pattern detection |
| 19:33.14 | nsadmin | onto that hardware |
| 19:33.26 | DebianUser001 | Pulse¹²³ |
| 19:33.52 | colock | daemon should buffer input, check for pattern, stop proxying the input if pattern found, launch the program, make sure program is ready, flush buffer |
| 19:34.07 | colock | it would make the keyboard and the Xorg quite unusable |
| 19:34.41 | elvisthedj | colock: perhaps I don't need to read cards that badly :) |
| 19:35.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: We are going way overkill on a simple question. Its a home PC. Not some giant server. Just want to be able to make a simple image that compresses free space. 2x500GB drives with only 4GB each seems to make a 1TB image with softraid being used. Ive been using clonezilla for standard 1 drive images. WOnt work for raid so I thought maybe some tool in Debian by itself would work instead. |
| 19:35.30 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009, let's start over: what is a "drive backup image" and why do you need it? |
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| 19:36.13 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: a "disk image" is a raw copy of every bit on the disk, that's naturally going to include all unused space |
| 19:36.41 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: which raid level are you using? |
| 19:36.43 | colock | you may want to use "tar" |
| 19:36.52 | colock | with some exclusion |
| 19:37.08 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: if you want to just backup the files, you need to use filesystem-level tools like tar |
| 19:37.10 | colock | if you are copying /dev/sda it would dump the whole disk inside your image |
| 19:37.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | tremon: I need a way to backup a 2x500GB raid0 (softraid) so I can restore a 1:1 copy if the system needs restored back to a previous point in time. I think thats pretty standard. Not just my home folder. |
| 19:37.34 | colock | LinuxGuy2009: then use dd on the cold system |
| 19:37.47 | colock | and compress after (it will take a _LONG_ time to compress, and uncompress) |
| 19:37.51 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: partimage knows how to make optimized images of _some_ file system types |
| 19:37.57 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: that's less standard than you think. Why do you want to backup 2x500GB instead of the files on those disks? |
| 19:38.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | colock: Yes but wont dd turn what should be a 8GB image file into a 1TB file because of imaging all the empty space on the filesystem? |
| 19:38.28 | colock | interested in the pattern formed by bits on disks |
| 19:38.32 | colock | it has meaning ! |
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| 19:38.45 | colock | LinuxGuy2009: gzip will get rid of those later |
| 19:38.56 | colock | LinuxGuy2009: some zeros /are/ important |
| 19:39.05 | colock | you cannot just get only 1s |
| 19:39.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | tremon: because just backing up the files doesnt return debian back to a previous point in time. |
| 19:39.15 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, so howbout a tarball you make of the partitions when the machine is in single user mode? |
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| 19:39.20 | colock | dd it's raw, it copies data, you need fs-level tools, like tar |
| 19:39.29 | colock | and copy content, not raw data |
| 19:39.41 | nsadmin | (the comments about restoring and having to know how you will restore, stand.) |
| 19:39.49 | colock | LinuxGuy2009: (make sure you --exclude /dev/) |
| 19:40.00 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: how often do you need to restore the whole system to a previous point in time? |
| 19:40.35 | nsadmin | if you would need to restore to prev point in time, you will have to make a backup at that time |
| 19:40.38 | colock | rdiff-backup |
| 19:40.49 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: why doesn't it? Because of permissions/xattrs, or because of file/sector mappings? What exactly do you want to restore beyond the contents of files and directories? |
| 19:41.01 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: is there a reason you have formatted the whole 1TB instead of say 10-20GB? |
| 19:41.07 | colock | (tar _does_ preserve attributes) |
| 19:41.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so Clonezilla uses partclone I think. But it doesnt support raid setups from what I hear and have seen. So I I guess I need to use filesystem level tools. Are there any filesystem tools that would allow the creation of a backup simaler to what Clonezilla would make on a single drive? |
| 19:41.40 | colock | LinuxGuy2009: tar, rdiff-backup |
| 19:41.54 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: a decent approach could be to redo the system with lvm on top of raid0, and only make the filesystem as large as it has to be. |
| 19:42.08 | colock | rdiff-backup does full and incremental backups, also make it easy to search and restore |
| 19:42.30 | jelly-home | colock: he doesn't believe in file-based backup solutions |
| 19:43.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Nevermind guys. I'm definelty in the wrong place. |
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| 19:43.22 | jelly-home | !next |
| 19:43.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:43.29 | tremon | lols |
| 19:43.32 | Defusal | does debian have something like bootcpuset? |
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| 19:46.14 | tremon | Defusal: you might get more answers if you explain what you want to do, instead of hoping that someone knows that specific tool |
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| 19:46.43 | Defusal | i need to set up a default global cpuset limiting all processes to core 0 |
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| 19:47.12 | Defusal | from my research, bootcpuset seems to be the way it is done on suse and friends, but debian does not have such a thing |
| 19:47.41 | nsadmin | so get its source and bulid it |
| 19:48.24 | Defusal | nsadmin, it is not just a util |
| 19:48.37 | nsadmin | what is it just? |
| 19:48.42 | Defusal | i don't know anything about it ready, which is why i am asking here |
| 19:48.50 | Defusal | it is /etc/bootcpuset.conf |
| 19:48.59 | Defusal | *really |
| 19:49.09 | nsadmin | wouldn't something have to read that file? |
| 19:49.13 | nsadmin | and do... |
| 19:49.15 | nsadmin | something? |
| 19:49.15 | tremon | Defusal: I'm guessing it's "just" a script that fiddles with /proc and /sys settings |
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| 19:50.05 | Defusal | nsadmin, sure, but i wouldn't even know where to find its source |
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| 19:50.31 | Defusal | tremon, probably, but it would need to be executed before init.d surely? |
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| 19:50.48 | DebianUser001 | My sound is not working on debian 6.0 Squeeze |
| 19:50.52 | nsadmin | which is why I'm googling it now |
| 19:50.53 | Defusal | since it needs to set up a default cpuset for all processes to be spawned under |
| 19:51.04 | DebianUser001 | What do I do? :0 |
| 19:51.05 | Defusal | nsadmin, i have done so for about an hour now |
| 19:51.11 | DebianUser001 | What do I do? :0 |
| 19:51.17 | DebianUser001 | What do I do? :) |
| 19:51.26 | tremon | Defusal: you should be able to find the source in suse repos, as they ship it |
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| 19:51.42 | DebianUser001 | oops sorry someone is mesing om teamviewer repeating the question. |
| 19:51.49 | Defusal | tremon, is there really no debian-way of doing this? |
| 19:52.01 | Defusal | surely some debian server owners require this too |
| 19:52.16 | nsadmin | what's teamviewer |
| 19:52.17 | tremon | doesn't speak for all of the debian project |
| 19:52.30 | dvs | !tell DebianUser001 about alsa checklist |
| 19:53.30 | DebianUser001 | er |
| 19:54.08 | nsadmin | Defusal, if we knew what this thing does, we'd be in a better position to speak |
| 19:54.26 | nsadmin | btw |
| 19:54.32 | nsadmin | do you have an SGI? |
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| 19:55.13 | DebianUser001 | dvs none of those worked? :( |
| 19:55.22 | Defusal | nsadmin, i told you what it does? |
| 19:55.43 | Defusal | it makes all processes the system spawns default to a cpuset |
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| 19:55.54 | Defusal | so that i can have every process runs on cpu core 0 |
| 19:55.58 | Defusal | run* |
| 19:56.08 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 19:56.12 | Defusal | and then manually run other processes on the rest of the cores |
| 19:56.31 | Defusal | seems odd that debian is missing something like this |
| 19:56.55 | tremon | just killed iceweasel because it tried to use all internal memory to render a simple kernel changelog |
| 19:57.39 | DebianUser001 | Imma make my server have a kernel panic |
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| 19:57.52 | xingu | !info ulatencyd |
| 19:57.58 | dpkg | ulatencyd: (Daemon to minimize latency on a linux system using cgroups), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 390 kB |
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| 19:59.20 | tremon | Defusal: all I can find about bootcpuset is that its usage is confined to big numa clusters |
| 19:59.46 | Defusal | tremon, heh |
| 20:00.54 | Defusal | if you run critical single threaded realtime services which are resource heavy, it is reasonable to not want other processes to be able to use the cpu cores designated to those processes |
| 20:01.24 | xingu | if only someone would package up a daemon that minimized latency on a linux system using cgroups |
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| 20:01.29 | Defusal | but you cannot do that unless you can set a default cpuset for all processes |
| 20:01.51 | tremon | Defusal: in that case, I'm sure there's something like a #linux-rt channel somewhere? |
| 20:02.54 | Defusal | tremon, i doubt such a channel would help |
| 20:03.06 | Defusal | i don't need to use a realtime linux kernel |
| 20:03.24 | Defusal | i just need to stop root processes from taking over my cores |
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| 20:04.09 | Defusal | i guess it's my fault for assuming this would be relatively easy, and not close to impossible :( |
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| 20:05.25 | tremon | Defusal: it's not necessarily difficult, but it's domain-specific. The chances of finding much help on a generic distro support channel are not that great |
| 20:05.59 | xingu | yes, there's no chance at all anyone would have packaged up a daemon that minimized latency on a linux system using cgroups |
| 20:06.12 | xingu | and even less chance that it might support regex based matching |
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| 20:07.03 | Defusal | bleh |
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| 20:08.30 | jelly-home | Defusal: do you just want default cpu affinity? How do you deal with kernel threads deciding they want to run on the dedicated core |
| 20:09.01 | jelly-home | (or sorry, task scheduler deciding that for them) |
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| 20:09.31 | Defusal | jelly-home, no, i want to set a default cpu set that forces all processes by default to run under a cpuset (containing core 0) |
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| 20:10.08 | finnguy | hi, got a question... |
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| 20:10.31 | Defusal | jelly-home: i will then spawn the critical processes inside a seperate cpuset and use affinity to spread them over the other 7 cores |
| 20:10.52 | Defusal | but i first need to be able to stop processes from running on all cores by default |
| 20:10.56 | finnguy | im installing debian stable for first time. is those weird colorful stuff on screen purposeful? :P |
| 20:11.21 | abrotman | weird colorful stuff ? |
| 20:11.29 | finnguy | um, yes |
| 20:11.36 | pcormack | finnguy: blue? yes thats the debian-installer |
| 20:11.52 | finnguy | maybe i will take a picture if i can, if its not familiar to you all |
| 20:12.00 | finnguy | not blue |
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| 20:13.33 | nsadmin | well installs aren';t done so often... otoh, sure, take a pic |
| 20:13.47 | tremon | Defusal: you know about numactl? |
| 20:13.59 | finnguy | will put pics soon |
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| 20:14.42 | Defusal | tremon, someone mentioned it and i looked over it briefly but from what i saw, there is no way to set a default boot cpuset? |
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| 20:15.50 | tremon | Defusal: depends on what you mean. If you manage to include it in the initramfs, you can start init under numactl-provided guards |
| 20:16.04 | tremon | otherwise, you're looking at kernel patches I guess |
| 20:16.16 | Defusal | bleh |
| 20:16.30 | Defusal | i really feel there should be a way to do this |
| 20:16.42 | Defusal | even suse has a bootcpuset.conf :/ |
| 20:16.46 | xingu | some sort of way to use regular expressions to group processes into cpusets? |
| 20:17.09 | Defusal | xingu, regex for what...? |
| 20:17.27 | xingu | matching processes by name |
| 20:17.36 | Defusal | i don't need that... |
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| 20:18.26 | nsadmin | Defusal, it's really starting to sound like you have very specific requirements... might I suggest hiring a programmer |
| 20:18.38 | Defusal | nsadmin, i am a programmer... |
| 20:18.49 | tremon | quotes 'This option can be used to specify one or more CPUs to isolate from the general SMP balancing and scheduling algorithms. You can move a process onto or off an "isolated" CPU via the CPU affinity syscalls or cpuset' |
| 20:19.08 | beardy | Why isn't there a dummy package for acroread amd64 in dmm? |
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| 20:19.28 | Defusal | my requirement is simple, i need to set a default cpuset that is used by the system |
| 20:19.38 | finnguy | alright, here's what i see in debian 6.0.4 installer http://bayimg.com/IaOBnAADd |
| 20:19.38 | Defusal | but clearly it seems debian is missing such a thing |
| 20:19.40 | jelly-home | ,versions acroread --arch amd64 |
| 20:19.41 | judd | Package: acroread on amd64 -- lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.2; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.1-0.1; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.1-0.1; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 9.5.1-0.1 |
| 20:19.48 | jelly-home | beardy: huh? |
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| 20:20.03 | beardy | squeeze-multimedia? |
| 20:20.14 | jelly-home | shorthand. |
| 20:20.30 | pcormack | finnguy: wtf indeed, thats mad |
| 20:20.32 | beardy | Must be using a crap mirror then.. |
| 20:20.42 | finnguy | that stuff is animated and theres multiple different of them |
| 20:21.06 | pcormack | can you verify that iso with the checksum? |
| 20:21.08 | jelly-home | beardy: it's possible you have 6-12 months old dmm sources.list entry, and need to add non-free next to main |
| 20:21.15 | Defusal | tremon, you can manipulate cpusets and processes in them reasonably easily from /proc, the issue is making the kernel do so by default from the start |
| 20:21.29 | nvz | finnguy: thats not debian-installer |
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| 20:21.35 | finnguy | yes, but where and ho can i verify? |
| 20:21.41 | tremon | Defusal: did you read what I just quoted from the kernel documentation? |
| 20:21.55 | babilen | !tell finnguy -about check iso |
| 20:22.23 | babilen | finnguy: But that is definitely *not* a Debian installer. Are you sure that you downloaded the right one? |
| 20:22.25 | nsadmin | Defusal, I wonder if there are kernel parameters for this |
| 20:22.43 | Defusal | tremon, i see no mention of anything to do with "default" or "boot" |
| 20:23.05 | Defusal | nsadmin, hmmm |
| 20:23.11 | finnguy | downloaded from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 20:23.25 | finnguy | this one debian-live-6.0.4-i386-lxde-desktop.iso |
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| 20:23.26 | tremon | Defusal: ah, but does it sound like what you want? |
| 20:23.33 | babilen | finnguy: That is not the installer, but a Debian live CD btw |
| 20:23.46 | finnguy | includes installer though? |
| 20:24.00 | babilen | finnguy: I wouldn't use that for installing |
| 20:24.25 | babilen | finnguy: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? If so: What kind(s)? |
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| 20:24.33 | pcormack | finnguy: that would be something I would use to recover a system, not install |
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| 20:25.07 | Defusal | tremon, like i said, there are many ways to work with cpusets, you can use mkdir and echo with /proc/cpuset and /proc/pid/cpuset -- but i need a way to set a default that is used for everything from the start of boot |
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| 20:25.21 | finnguy | wired connection |
| 20:25.32 | tremon | Defusal: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt;h=c1601e5a8b71e81ae57f7d1d5a70be5449501443;hb=HEAD |
| 20:25.35 | beardy | jelly-home: That too. But I think it really was that I also had a forced i386 version installed, or something.. thanks, two rounds with aptitude, I won. |
| 20:25.37 | babilen | !tell finnguy -about netinstall |
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| 20:25.51 | babilen | finnguy: In that case I would recommend to use a normal netinstall |
| 20:26.05 | babilen | !tell finnguy about install lxde |
| 20:26.11 | lasers | I should recheck my machine first. I'm speaking from experience.... When I use Gnome2, my laptop is running. When I want to try awesome WM, my laptop will running too hot after I leave it for a while. What packages should I install (to control cpu, etc?) |
| 20:26.38 | Defusal | tremon, that does sound promising |
| 20:26.57 | tremon | Defusal: glad you think so :) |
| 20:27.18 | finnguy | ok, thanks for help |
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| 20:29.51 | Defusal | tremon, ok so by the sound of it, that does the opposite of what i was looking for, which is fine |
| 20:30.25 | Defusal | it should be able to isolate cores 1-7, then the system will only use core 0 |
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| 20:30.39 | tremon | Defusal: yes that's how I read it too |
| 20:30.51 | Defusal | thanks for the help |
| 20:31.00 | Agiofws | http://tinyurl.com/7zfr6c5 :) |
| 20:31.07 | Defusal | i can only hope that this works fine |
| 20:31.42 | Defusal | as if i get locked out of my ssh access to my server, i will have to hire a technician to go out to the data center and fix it |
| 20:31.58 | tremon | Defusal: note that you're now looking at the current git tree. I have no idea in which kernel version that parameter was added |
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| 20:32.14 | tremon | so double-check with the documentation for your running kernel |
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| 20:32.37 | tremon | and, well, it does say "this is the preferred way"... |
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| 20:34.11 | Defusal | tremon, some quick googling shows references to it in 2002 :) |
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| 20:43.11 | sanitypassing | Hi, is there any way to remove the borders for a single window? |
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