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| 15:05.36 | caravel | daks: next # apt-get install dropbear |
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| 15:06.58 | caravel | daks: tell me when you're getting there ^^ |
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| 15:11.52 | daks | ok, i'm back from phone |
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| 15:12.30 | daks | dropbear installed |
| 15:12.38 | caravel | daks: ok, now retrieve the generated key, you'll use it from your client to unlock your system over ssh. It's in /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/id_rsa |
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| 15:13.16 | daks | there were problems installing dropbear, dpkg-reconfigure reports problems |
| 15:13.51 | daks | ok problem solved |
| 15:14.09 | caravel | daks: glad :) |
| 15:14.39 | caravel | daks: now are you happy with default ssh port 22 for dropbear ? or do you have to change it ? |
| 15:15.01 | caravel | daks: (there is an issue with that, but I found a workaround) |
| 15:15.02 | daks | yes it'll be good for now |
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| 15:15.11 | caravel | daks: ok |
| 15:15.34 | daks | (if i want to change it, where is the information?) |
| 15:15.41 | daks | i can reboot now, i imagine? |
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| 15:15.51 | caravel | daks: ok, I'll tell you now cause it tool me a while to figure it out :) |
| 15:16.06 | caravel | daks: Dropbear installation within the ramfs can't be currently passed any parameters (AFAIK) |
| 15:16.20 | caravel | daks: that's the tracker http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614981 |
| 15:16.45 | caravel | daks: what I do is simple, different to what I found out there |
| 15:16.49 | caravel | daks: cp /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/dropbear /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/ |
| 15:17.00 | caravel | daks: nano /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/dropbear |
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| 15:17.14 | caravel | daks: and I add whatever option I need to its last line |
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| 15:17.27 | caravel | daks: /sbin/dropbear -p 54321 |
| 15:17.44 | hemanth | trying to get debian 6 on MBP, not able to proceed without grub/lilo followed http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Basic_situation_of_MacBook_with_Debian |
| 15:17.44 | caravel | daks: all right ? |
| 15:17.45 | daks | ok i understand |
| 15:17.57 | daks | i'll try to remember it :) |
| 15:18.12 | daks | i'll reboot now to see if it worked |
| 15:18.13 | caravel | daks: ok. So whatever you did that or not, next regenerate your initramfs |
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| 15:18.18 | caravel | daks: update-initramfs -u |
| 15:18.28 | caravel | daks: *then* reboot |
| 15:18.29 | daks | initrams was regenerated automatically at installation |
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| 15:18.40 | daks | (i hope) |
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| 15:19.05 | caravel | daks: ok, I guess if you don't edit the dropbear options, you don't need to indeed |
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| 15:19.22 | caravel | daks: next, from your client : |
| 15:19.49 | caravel | daks: touch my.known_hosts.initramfs |
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| 15:20.29 | caravel | daks: ssh -o "UserKnownHostsFile=my.known_hosts.initramfs" -i "my.id_rsa.initramfs" \ |
| 15:20.31 | caravel | -p 54321 root@192.168.100.33 "echo -ne \"mypassword\" >/lib/cryptsetup/passfifo" |
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| 15:21.12 | caravel | daks: and that should unlock nicely your host (without any kind of stdout if it works) |
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| 15:21.41 | caravel | daks: you're confortable with ssh keys and cli ? |
| 15:21.54 | daks | yes |
| 15:21.56 | daks | i'll try |
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| 15:22.25 | caravel | daks: ok - remember that's just like a distinct host as far as your client knows :) |
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| 15:22.40 | daks | yes i understand |
| 15:22.53 | daks | and i can only login with a key i guess |
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| 15:23.33 | Wooga | hi, may i ask you to install ttyrec and test if my ttyrec podcast working? here is url: ftp://neverb.net/records/vimexample.ttyrec.gz . to play it; download it; ungzip and then ttyplay it. or, alternativly, perform something like wget -qO- ftp://neverb.net/records/vimexample.ttyrec.gz | gzip -d | ttyplay |
| 15:23.53 | daks | caravel: what is "echo -ne \"mypassword\" about ? |
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| 15:24.24 | caravel | daks: that's your LUKS password ! you need to feed your crypt passfifo with it |
| 15:24.36 | caravel | daks: that's how crypt gets unlocked :) |
| 15:24.44 | Wooga | i was reporrted from one debian user that it hangs up on first letter of 'main' word typed in vim window |
| 15:24.46 | daks | ok |
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| 15:25.38 | caravel | daks: boot process just continue as soon asunlocked, automatically |
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| 15:26.31 | caravel | daks: but you keep the option to unlock in physically in front of the host, using keyboard. You should just have two methids instead of one |
| 15:28.47 | caravel | daks: before using that method, which is recommended nowadays, I was using "early-ssh" |
| 15:29.36 | daks | this does not really work |
| 15:29.47 | caravel | daks: what's the outcome, then ? |
| 15:29.51 | daks | it asks for a passphrase to the key, which i don't know |
| 15:30.19 | caravel | daks: what do you mean you don't know ? pastebin your output please |
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| 15:30.39 | daks | Enter passphrase for key 'id_rsa.dropbear': |
| 15:30.45 | daks | that is my output |
| 15:30.59 | daks | but i don't know the passphrase for the dropbear key |
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| 15:31.14 | daks | nevermind, i'll have to go |
| 15:31.17 | caravel | daks: did you retrieve the ssh key after installing dropbear ? |
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| 15:31.25 | daks | yeah i did |
| 15:31.41 | caravel | daks: you're supposed to make your key file with it, onyour client :) |
| 15:31.46 | daks | i'll check this tomorrow or later |
| 15:31.52 | caravel | daks: ok ^^ |
| 15:32.00 | daks | caravel: i did :) |
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| 15:32.23 | daks | thanks for your help, i have taken notes too because this can be quite useful !:) |
| 15:32.32 | dobby156 | is there a way of password protecting an apt repositiory? |
| 15:32.45 | caravel | daks: welcome, I'm usually around here, ping me when you're back to this if you like |
| 15:33.03 | dobby156 | I know I can authenticate packages with GPG but is there a way of locking down the whole repo |
| 15:33.05 | daks | ok |
| 15:33.36 | caravel | daks: I'd like to know if this still work as well on wheezy, too :) |
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| 15:34.52 | caravel | daks: oh, I am guessing your issue (still here ?) |
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| 15:35.18 | themill | dobby156: what are you seeking to achieve here? only allowing some users to access a particular repo? |
| 15:35.45 | daks | caravel: don't know, will check tomorrow or later if i can connect to dropbear |
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| 15:36.00 | caravel | daks:sounds like the default name for the generated key file did change in dropbear |
| 15:36.04 | daks | or, i'll go back to install a squeeze CD and upgrade to testing |
| 15:36.14 | daks | see u |
| 15:36.19 | caravel | daks: ok :) |
| 15:37.06 | caravel | daks: but you might want to locate id_rsa.dropbear in your chroot, instead of retrieving /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 15:37.22 | caravel | daks: just a wild guess, good luck :) |
| 15:38.21 | dobby156 | themill: we use debian as our OS for our product, we want to be able to distribute the software we make inside the company |
| 15:38.43 | dobby156 | themill: ideally on a remotely accessible repo |
| 15:38.59 | dobby156 | themill: we would rather not have it publically accessible |
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| 15:39.56 | themill | dobby156: http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ has some suggestions for configuring apache to only address a limited number of IPs or using ssh (and an ssh key) to limit logins. You could do apache basic auth with https transport too (see also sources.list(5)) |
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| 15:40.35 | dobby156 | themill: thank you, I will look at those links |
| 15:40.57 | jelly | Some vendors have provided me repos with http basic auth, I was surprised it worked |
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| 15:41.34 | themill | yeah, that works too... there's just so little point in putting basic auth on http other than just to keep the great unwashed out |
| 15:41.58 | jelly | esp. considering apt couldn't deal with other http features for so long, eg. 301 permanent redirection |
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| 15:42.20 | themill | sources.list(5) has listed username:passwd in the URL for quite some time |
| 15:43.54 | themill | there's also a /etc/apt/auth.conf, apparently... |
| 15:44.15 | dobby156 | themill: thanks I will look at all of that |
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| 15:45.00 | dobby156 | themill: To be honest it isn't like these are great company secrets or something it is just that we would rather not have it avaible because it just isn't production quality, we are a free software friendly company |
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| 15:45.15 | dobby156 | themill: but what we release must be 'finished' |
| 15:45.39 | themill | dobby156: yeah, http basic auth might be quite sufficient then. (Or just don't publicise the repo...) |
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| 15:49.37 | gnarface | dobby156: http basic auth is perfectly secure as long as everyone accessing it is only accessing it on secure lines (rather than say, free wireless at a coffee shop) and the password is greather than about 16 bytes long |
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| 15:52.18 | themill | eh? |
| 15:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? |
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| 15:54.43 | gnarface | themill, CutMeOwnThroat (assuming of course that you implicitly trust everyone who can see the data in transit. obviously that |
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| 15:54.48 | gnarface | is a contrived situation) |
| 15:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | quite |
| 15:55.39 | themill | so not "perfectly secure" then... otherwise we'd all just go back to telnet and our banks would use http |
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| 15:56.24 | dobby156 | thanks all for your input |
| 15:56.27 | gnarface | themill, CutMeOwnThroat: you'd be probably horrified how many times "well its good enough" outsells "but SSL has OMG CPU loadz!!!" in the board room meetings |
| 15:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in france? |
| 15:56.55 | themill | sure... but "good enough" != "perfectly secure" |
| 15:56.56 | dobby156 | gnarface: haha, or when it means I can go home earlier |
| 15:56.58 | dobby156 | :) |
| 15:57.08 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: like in the USA everywhere except when a government agency forces them legally to give a shit |
| 15:57.12 | dobby156 | themill: but what is 'perfect'ly secure |
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| 15:57.58 | themill | dobby156: well, writing your passwords on a postcard and sending them around the world is known to not be secure at all. That's a reasonable baseline. |
| 15:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | a bet that your own death will happen |
| 15:58.16 | gnarface | themill: you're right. an *actual* square in a real suit&tie would have had a much more accurately vague way to phrase that. its not my specialty |
| 15:58.32 | themill | :) |
| 15:59.19 | dobby156 | CutMeOwnThroat: the sweet thing about that bet is you are going to outlive who ever you made if with if you are right |
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| 16:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... the problem with that bet is that you're totally sure to win but also totally sure not to be able to enjoy your winnings |
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| 16:01.14 | _ramok | hi |
| 16:01.20 | SirLagz | hi |
| 16:01.22 | dobby156 | hi |
| 16:01.36 | dobby156 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.36 | dobby156 | < hi > |
| 16:01.36 | dobby156 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.36 | dobby156 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.36 | dobby156 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 16:01.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:01.50 | _ramok | i've an apache mpm worker installed here... now i want to install memcached... but if i do an apt-get install memcached on my debian squeeze, apt wants to install mpm-prefork.... why? |
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| 16:03.07 | dobby156 | sorry |
| 16:03.08 | themill | _ramok: can you pastebin the entire output of your apt session for us? |
| 16:03.12 | consequent | Does anyone here have experience compiling libpq client applications using the package "libpqd"? |
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| 16:04.08 | consequent | libpq5 excuse me |
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| 16:04.33 | themill | consequent: just ask your real question and see if someone can help |
| 16:04.46 | _ramok | themill: yes, just a second |
| 16:04.55 | nsadmin | time! |
| 16:05.10 | consequent | I get the error, "schemaverse.c:7:22: error: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory" when I try to compile with gcc |
| 16:05.46 | nsadmin | you need the -dev half of libpk5 |
| 16:05.48 | themill | consequent: you probably need to install libpq-dev (apt-file is your friend) |
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| 16:06.26 | _ramok | themill: it's http://pastebin.com/4yWQzTHm and i guess the package php5-memcached is doing this referencing |
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| 16:06.53 | spersaud | what is the format to run a cron job every 2 minutes ? |
| 16:06.57 | spersaud | 2 * * * * ?? |
| 16:07.08 | spersaud | or is it 2/* * * * * ?? |
| 16:07.08 | themill | _ramok: yes, you most use apache2-mpm-prefork if you want to use mod_php5 |
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| 16:07.16 | Woet | spersaud: man cron |
| 16:07.29 | _ramok | themill: i'm using mod_fcgid |
| 16:07.33 | slikts | is there some easy way to monitor eth0 for when the ip changes (without resorting to polling)? |
| 16:07.39 | _ramok | but would like to use memcache too |
| 16:07.47 | Woet | slikts: why would the IP change? |
| 16:07.49 | consequent | I'm trying to create a makefile but can't figure out exactly what directory path to include because 'pg_config --includedir' doesn't work like usual. I'm getting 'bash: /usr/bin/pg_config: No such file or directory' |
| 16:07.58 | themill | _ramok: so what php interpreter are you using with mod_fcgid? |
| 16:08.15 | slikts | Woet: because I would take the machine to a different network? |
| 16:08.16 | _Sam-- | spersaud */2 |
| 16:08.18 | _ramok | themill: how can i see? i guess it's php5-cgi |
| 16:08.21 | nsadmin | consequent, look into pg_config |
| 16:08.29 | themill | _ramok: do you actually have that package installed? |
| 16:08.32 | consequent | ok, let me install -dev part and see what happens |
| 16:08.36 | gnarface | ,files pg_config |
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| 16:08.43 | _ramok | themill: you mean php5-memcached? no |
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| 16:08.52 | gnarface | ,file pg_config? |
| 16:08.54 | themill | _ramok: no, php5-cgi |
| 16:08.56 | judd | Search for pg_config? in squeeze/i386: libpq-dev: usr/bin/pg_config; postgresql-server-dev-8.4: usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/pg_config |
| 16:09.18 | _ramok | yes, i guess |
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| 16:10.05 | nsadmin | what you should do is have your make file have a variable for the location of pg_config |
| 16:10.12 | themill | _ramok: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache show php5-cgi" then? |
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| 16:10.44 | slikts | it turns out `ip monitor link` does what I want |
| 16:10.50 | Woet | _Sam--: would be better if he would learn it, instead of coming here with every crontab he wants to have |
| 16:12.11 | _ramok | themill: http://pastebin.com/PziQ2XpY |
| 16:12.21 | nsadmin | then you get all info about location from running that particular pg_config |
| 16:12.28 | spersaud | Woet: oh really ? do you have a toilet bowl next to your computer too ? |
| 16:12.51 | Woet | spersaud: .. what? |
| 16:13.01 | offnod | I accidentaly typed in: $ locate 'Metacity and now it only returns > . What is this, and how do I get out of it? |
| 16:13.02 | spersaud | Woet: you're a geek extraordinaire |
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| 16:13.10 | themill | _ramok: bah... I meant "apt-cache policy php5-cgi" sorry |
| 16:13.17 | Woet | spersaud: it's for your own benefit, or do you want to come on #debian each time you want to add or modify a crontab? |
| 16:13.20 | spersaud | Woet: plus your theory is incorrect |
| 16:13.35 | gnarface | offnod: just ctrl-c a bunch of times |
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| 16:13.51 | spersaud | Woet: by him telling me I understand the format you dumb ass |
| 16:14.07 | spersaud | Woet: plus I do have a general idea of cron |
| 16:14.12 | _ramok | themill: http://pastebin.com/gyZ2yktL |
| 16:14.37 | jordanm | mixing unstable... |
| 16:14.39 | themill | _ramok: umm... are you back to mixing sid and squeeze again? I thought you promised earlier not to do that |
| 16:14.43 | nsadmin | spersaud, there are ON topic conversations going on here |
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| 16:14.58 | _ramok | themill: no i'm not! |
| 16:15.08 | themill | _ramok: please look at your last pastebin then |
| 16:15.08 | jordanm | _ramok: according to that output you are |
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| 16:15.13 | offnod | gnarface: thanks |
| 16:15.17 | spersaud | nsadmin: point well taken |
| 16:15.29 | spersaud | nsadmin: but Woet is a nerd |
| 16:15.33 | spersaud | nsadmin: a snob |
| 16:15.38 | spersaud | nsadmin: a loser |
| 16:15.40 | jordanm | _ramok: if you already removed sid from your sources.list, you need to run apt-get update |
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| 16:15.50 | themill | spersaud: that's enough, thanks |
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| 16:15.57 | slikts | also I found /etc/network/if-up.d/ scripts |
| 16:16.05 | Woet | sighs |
| 16:16.06 | nsadmin | spersaud /msg dpkg enter |
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| 16:16.36 | Woet | what happened to the time that people would read man pages and learn? |
| 16:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Woet, we call it "the 80ies" |
| 16:17.17 | _ramok | themill: that is strange |
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| 16:17.18 | Woet | CutMeOwnThroat: good music too |
| 16:17.21 | SirLagz | lol |
| 16:17.27 | SirLagz | I still read man pages and learn :P |
| 16:17.34 | SirLagz | Still can't figure out this damn wifi issue though =/ |
| 16:17.35 | nsadmin | when hair bands ruled the beauty salons |
| 16:17.39 | _ramok | on the testingserver the policy outputs the sid version... on another server (copied the base vm) i just have squeeze output |
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| 16:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | today it's all tl;dr |
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| 16:20.33 | Woet | [18:19:57] <spersaud> you are a punk !! |
| 16:20.34 | Woet | [18:20:11] <spersaud> you ruined my day !! you fat bastard |
| 16:20.34 | Woet | [18:20:13] ← spersaud left IRC. (Quit: leaving) |
| 16:20.37 | Woet | :( |
| 16:21.06 | Woet | oh well, guess I deserve that because I told him to read man |
| 16:21.16 | dvs | *gasp* |
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| 16:21.36 | themill | Woet: I think that's a long way of saying "thanks". (but please don't paste such crap in here... and just /ignore the morons) |
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| 16:21.55 | Woet | themill: true, that's what I usually do |
| 16:22.25 | Woet | _Sam--: see what happens when you spoonfeed people? they get lazy and arrogant |
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| 16:22.41 | Woet | (with exceptions) |
| 16:22.43 | thewanderer1 | Woet: here's a cheer-up tune for ya, punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMd8yNUcTyE :P |
| 16:22.53 | Woet | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 16:23.01 | nsadmin | morons should be forwarded to #debian-paid-support |
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| 16:23.23 | nsadmin | well not morons but uncooperatives |
| 16:23.41 | gnarface | debian paid support? where can i sign up!? |
| 16:23.50 | Woet | nsadmin: where paid means donated to debian |
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| 16:24.03 | Woet | or just forward them to http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 16:24.05 | dvs | finds Catbert |
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| 16:24.48 | nsadmin | no, where paid means a consultant handles the support and gets paid |
| 16:24.58 | Woet | okay, like http://www.debian.org/consultants/ then :p |
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| 16:25.29 | abrotman | forwards nsadmin to said URL ... |
| 16:25.30 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:25.44 | jelly | a win-win situation |
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| 16:26.55 | nsadmin | 24.*, isn't that comcast |
| 16:27.16 | nsadmin | bbiaw |
| 16:28.24 | pmade | I'm getting a new laptop and of course it has windows pre-installed. I can boot a debian live image and dd the hard drive to a USB drive so I can later boot windows off the USB drive for stuff like updating the BIOS? |
| 16:28.37 | abrotman | feels like someone named nsadmin should know how to check an IP owner :) |
| 16:28.38 | pmade | Damn, not "I can", I meant "Can I?" |
| 16:29.06 | abrotman | pmade: you should start by asking ##windows if you can boot windows from a USB drive |
| 16:29.28 | pmade | abrotman: okay. I don't know a damn thing about windows so I guess that's a good start. |
| 16:29.52 | abrotman | pmade: i've never heard of such a thing, but not something i'd try either |
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| 16:30.30 | rtjure | pman: you should be able to ddump the drive to a usb drive. |
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| 16:31.27 | rtjure | pman: but w7 will not boot from it. |
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| 16:32.36 | rtjure | pman: make a rescuedvd from the hidden partition and and try to reinstall with only the usb-drive available. |
| 16:33.00 | rtjure | that *might* work. |
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| 16:44.11 | Orphis | Is there any better alternative to use Apache to an APT repository with lots of index update and lots of people updating ? It seems to be quite frequent to have apt-get update failing because the sources.gz/packages.gz file changed before the new Release and Release.gpg files are created |
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| 16:45.12 | themill | Orphis: there's approx and apt-cacher-ng (and others) |
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| 16:45.50 | themill | Orphis: configuring a shorter cache time on the Release files (if possible) would help that too |
| 16:47.16 | Orphis | themill: I mean, it's mostly a race condition. apt fetches the new Release and Release.gpg during an update. Then on the server the packages.gz file is changed. Then apt fetches the new packages.gz file and barfs |
| 16:47.31 | Orphis | How would approx solve that problem ? |
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| 16:47.50 | Orphis | Also, I use apt-ftparchive to do the updates |
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| 16:50.23 | Orphis | So it's quite fast to update everything but well, network is much slower than the disk here |
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| 16:51.33 | themill | Orphis: there should be no race condition on just an apt-get update (or at least any race condition is vanishingly small that you'd not be hitting it). A cache holding onto an old Release file would cause the problem you describe though. |
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| 16:51.51 | thewanderer1 | Orphis: write the new files to a new dir, and when the time to update comes, switch the dir |
| 16:52.06 | thewanderer1 | you get something akin to atomic updates |
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| 16:53.06 | themill | Orphis: ohh... is this on your own archive not for the debian mirrors? |
| 16:53.08 | Orphis | thewanderer1: I've thought of that, but if some user start the update with the first dir, I change the symlink to the new index, and the user will then continue the update with the new dir |
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| 16:53.17 | Orphis | themill: Yes, own archive |
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| 16:53.44 | themill | ahh .... sorry. I had it all arse-up |
| 16:53.57 | themill | Orphis: ignore apt-cacher/proxy. |
| 16:54.18 | Orphis | themill: Yes, I've figured that already ^^ |
| 16:55.00 | themill | Orphis: a simple setup is using a tool like reprepro to maintains the repo and then use rsync to update the served repo. |
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| 16:55.01 | Orphis | In a current apt-get update log, I see it has picked up the Release.gpg and Release file, then the Sources.gz and Packages.gz and they didn't match |
| 16:55.11 | Orphis | So it's probably not a Release caching problem |
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| 16:56.08 | thewanderer1 | Orphis: maybe you should stash updates and only update the server less frequently? or is that not a solution? |
| 16:56.26 | Orphis | themill: I think reprepro doesn't support multiple versions of the same packages (as in version 0.9.8 and 0.9.7) |
| 16:57.17 | themill | Orphis: you might be right there... I've never tried (the debian archive doesn't allow that either, fwiw) |
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| 16:57.54 | themill | Orphis: sounds like staging it and then syncing it across is your only option then |
| 16:57.54 | Orphis | TheWarden: We really want frequent updates of the index |
| 16:58.01 | Orphis | thewanderer1: ^^ |
| 16:58.20 | TheWarden | Orphis: what?!? |
| 16:58.42 | Orphis | TheWarden: Sorry, completion mistake :) |
| 16:58.51 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: cheers :P |
| 16:58.55 | TheWarden | Orphis: ahh no trouble |
| 16:58.58 | TheWarden | :) |
| 16:59.11 | thewanderer1 | (come on IRC clients, be more sensitive! case-sensitive, at least...) |
| 16:59.16 | Orphis | themill: I would still run in that error occasionnally since it's stateless |
| 16:59.52 | thewanderer1 | Orphis: one thing to find out would be if apt uses HTTP 1.1 connections with multiple request/response pairs |
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| 17:00.02 | thewanderer1 | if it does, you could do stateful connection routing |
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| 17:00.17 | thewanderer1 | combine that with 2 Apache servers and you've got atomic HTTP updates |
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| 17:00.51 | Orphis | thewanderer1: Or just a session cookie that resets as soon as we get the Release.gpg or Release file |
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| 17:01.06 | thewanderer1 | I don't think apt supports cookies |
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| 17:03.00 | Orphis | It would have been perfect here, to have transient cookies staying alive for just that apt update run |
| 17:03.20 | Orphis | Or I could use the source IP |
| 17:03.53 | themill | Orphis: if you're rsyncing from a staging repo then you'll only have a tiny window during the sync where this is an issue. If you use the ftpsync script (or just do the sync in two stages) then you make this window even smaller still |
| 17:03.55 | Orphis | It would work fine if there was no NATing anywhere on the network |
| 17:03.57 | thewanderer1 | that + some kind of timeout |
| 17:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... aptitude changelog xxx locks the dpkg package database |
| 17:04.39 | thewanderer1 | you could do IP+port hashing, but that breaks on reconnects |
| 17:04.45 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: it does? how does it work as non-root then? |
| 17:04.49 | Orphis | themill: The window is already a few milliseconds |
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| 17:04.57 | noobtack | http://goo.gl/Ps2Gm |
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| 17:05.41 | thewanderer1 | also, with apt that uses multiple parallel connections, you could screw things badly |
| 17:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, beats me... I just had it open with |less and forgot about it... then wanted to install something in another window and it was locked |
| 17:05.56 | themill | Orphis: I doubt that it's that short and you're actually hitting it. if you're using apt-ftparchive on a very large repo, it could be much longer. |
| 17:06.00 | Orphis | themill: apt-ftparchive creates copies for the new index files and moves them very quickly, then it's just writing the Release file (very quick) and signing it |
| 17:06.34 | Orphis | apt-ftparchive could take hours, it wouldn't make any difference |
| 17:06.57 | Orphis | There aren't a lot of files to move, so it's very quick |
| 17:07.20 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: it's that aptitude always attempts to lock, no matter what - only it silently fails when run as user |
| 17:07.29 | themill | I thought it generated the files one at a time, but I've not looked at it in so long, it's either my memory or it has changed |
| 17:08.00 | themill | I still don't believe you'd ever hit that apt problem in practice though... the debian archive network is updated with a much worse race condition than that and it's never a problem |
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| 17:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I see... well, interesting and a bit dumb |
| 17:09.07 | Orphis | themill: I've got plenty of logs of failed updates |
| 17:09.55 | Orphis | And it happens with the official repo sometimes too, but they don't do rolling releases as we do in my company |
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| 17:10.28 | Orphis | Usually, running the update again fixes it |
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| 17:12.51 | Orphis | themill: My use case is having some buildservers building every push to the git repo, testing the package and then pushing it to the apt repo |
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| 17:13.50 | Orphis | themill: When some packages are upgraded, we trigger a new build for some other packages depending on it |
| 17:14.32 | thewanderer1 | Orphis: I just thought of a trick... maybe you can issue an HTTP Temporary Redirect to the client so that it starts loading packages from a different URL? |
| 17:14.44 | Orphis | themill: So it makes almost permanent test for our bleeding edge software separated in different stable/testing/unstable branches of course |
| 17:14.47 | thewanderer1 | then, that URL would be versioned so that you get an atomic, "frozen" view of the package repo |
| 17:14.51 | themill | Orphis: can you work out if it's Packages > Release or Packages < Release that's the issue here? (it's easy enough to check with md5sums) |
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| 17:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't by pure chance know what to put into the proxy-line of prefbar to configure a socks proxy for iceweasel |
| 17:16.03 | Orphis | themill: Indexing is: build the packages, then the Release and then signing it. Updating is the same in reverse (gpg, Release, and packages) |
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| 17:16.28 | Orphis | thewanderer1: That would be an awesome trick |
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| 17:16.58 | thewanderer1 | now see if you can make it work :P |
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| 17:17.08 | Orphis | thewanderer1: That's another story :) |
| 17:17.33 | themill | Orphis: yes, I'm just wondering if Release containing two sets of sums (current and old) would be feasible. |
| 17:18.02 | themill | I recall discussion of this but don't recall whether apt likes it or not |
| 17:18.04 | Orphis | themill: That would probably go against the purpose of the file |
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| 17:19.33 | themill | Orphis: probably wouldn't help either, now I think about it |
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| 17:21.06 | Orphis | I'll be back later, small meeting |
| 17:21.29 | Diopter | all meetings are small. Some of them just think they're big. |
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| 17:22.05 | themill | Orphis: I wonder if a method other than http would work better here. apt does have other transports and I don't know how they behave... failing that, asking about this Packages/Release race in #debian-apt on irc.oftc.net might be a plan .. that's the developers channel not a help channel, so be patient and hope they're feeling happy today |
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| 17:28.19 | merethan | Hi all |
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| 17:30.07 | merethan | I have a possible nasty bug with Xfce with Squeeze here. |
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| 17:31.11 | merethan | So once in a few startups my Xfde desktop environment refuses to start up. Removing the config files seems to fix the problem so config files get corrupted or something. |
| 17:31.23 | merethan | It is user specific at least. |
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| 17:32.09 | merethan | Does anyone know about this problem or has seen it before? |
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| 17:35.05 | abrotman | merethan: you should probably be putting your config aside, then doing a diff, etc to try to find the problem |
| 17:35.21 | merethan | Possibly. |
| 17:35.34 | merethan | Thing is, I am short in time. |
| 17:35.56 | nsadmin | what a coincidence! so are most here! |
| 17:35.56 | abrotman | tried another WM ? |
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| 17:36.14 | merethan | So, when no one seems to have had this problem before, I'll go do diffs etc. |
| 17:36.30 | abrotman | merethan: have you chedked the BTS? |
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| 17:36.33 | nsadmin | what would you diff? |
| 17:36.40 | merethan | nsadmin, sure. But this might be a common problem, no? |
| 17:36.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: config files? |
| 17:36.59 | nsadmin | oh, in the user's dir |
| 17:37.06 | merethan | yes |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | guess he needed more time to think about that .. |
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| 17:38.29 | merethan | abrotman, what do you mean with BTS? |
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| 17:38.50 | nsadmin | merethan, /msg dokg bts |
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| 17:38.57 | nsadmin | wrong spelling |
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| 17:39.03 | merethan | got it |
| 17:39.09 | nsadmin | merethan, /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:39.31 | merethan | figured that ;) |
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| 17:41.19 | nsadmin | how long from when you start xfce without configs until when the problem comes up? |
| 17:41.33 | merethan | couple of boots |
| 17:42.00 | nsadmin | boots? do you think reboots are somehow involved? |
| 17:42.04 | merethan | I lend out this laptop so I was not at the screen when this problem happened the last two times. |
| 17:42.15 | merethan | No I ment X startups, sorry. |
| 17:42.41 | nsadmin | do you use startx? or some form of xdm? |
| 17:42.51 | merethan | startx |
| 17:42.56 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:44.12 | merethan | This particular machine is like 10 years old, that's why I put Xfce on it. It works fine btw, except for this annoyance. But what alternative could I try for Xfce? |
| 17:44.14 | nsadmin | one thing to try: |
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| 17:44.45 | thewanderer1 | LXDE? |
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| 17:44.53 | merethan | k, can try that :) |
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| 17:45.09 | merethan | nsadmin..? |
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| 17:45.26 | nsadmin | move config dir aside, startx, stop x, copy new config to config-1 |
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| 17:46.25 | nsadmin | then keep doing that, copying the config after stopping to config-2,3,4 etc |
| 17:46.37 | nsadmin | and see if you get the behavior |
| 17:47.24 | nsadmin | while you're doing that, see if there are differences in the config dirs (diff -Naur dir1 dir2) |
| 17:47.25 | merethan | Yeh that's like the diff thing abrotman proposed. |
| 17:47.35 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 17:47.45 | merethan | Could do that. |
| 17:47.50 | abrotman | but .. 10 minutes ago :) |
| 17:48.08 | merethan | This friend of mine should be here in 10 minutes or so. |
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| 17:48.14 | merethan | I lend out this machine. |
| 17:48.26 | merethan | He borked it. Twice already. |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | merethan: ried using icewm or something instead ? |
| 17:48.31 | nsadmin | all you're doing during this first test, is just startx and stop x |
| 17:49.23 | merethan | abrotman, it is default xfce. I have no idea what wm it is using. |
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| 17:49.45 | abrotman | xfwm IIRC |
| 17:50.12 | merethan | How to change it? .xinitrc? |
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| 17:50.32 | abrotman | that i'm unsure of .. i don't use XFCE |
| 17:51.15 | nsadmin | merethan, if the configs don't change and the problem doesn't come up, it's time to remember some of the main things you do with the laptop, and try those in the form startx, do something ehere, stop x, copy config, repeat |
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| 17:51.57 | merethan | nsadmin, the problem is I lend out this laptop. This problem never popped up while I was using it. |
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| 17:52.17 | nsadmin | (if the configs don't change and the problem DOES come up, that contraindicates the config file as the problem |
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| 17:52.20 | merethan | This guy I am lending it to (a friend of mine) uses it right now. |
| 17:52.40 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:52.48 | merethan | Yeah, but how can removing config files fix the problem in that case? |
| 17:53.00 | nsadmin | so it's your friend who should list things he does |
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| 17:53.26 | merethan | Yeah that's what I told him: The problem is likely to be between the desk and chair. |
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| 17:53.46 | nsadmin | the removing (or just moving) of the config files is a way of starting xfce fresh |
| 17:54.05 | merethan | Yup. Then it works again. |
| 17:54.13 | nsadmin | the lump of dust bunnies on the floor there? |
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| 17:54.55 | nsadmin | then, as part of testing you have to name the dust bunnies |
| 17:55.23 | merethan | English is not my native language... I guess I am missing the joke here :P |
| 17:55.32 | merethan | dust bunnies? |
| 17:55.34 | nsadmin | merethan, that right there is a strong indication that it -is- the config files |
| 17:55.44 | merethan | doh |
| 17:55.49 | merethan | Like I said before. |
| 17:56.39 | nsadmin | a dust bunny is a collection of dust that forms in a machine, typically around fans |
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| 17:57.46 | merethan | Anyway, he should be here in a few minutes. Care to know how things played out? |
| 17:57.57 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 17:58.58 | nsadmin | is it that xfce doesn't start when the problem is present? |
| 18:00.07 | merethan | About half. |
| 18:00.19 | merethan | It just doesn't make it to a full desktop. |
| 18:00.48 | nsadmin | a likely point of commonality here, is when friend takes laptop out, one thing he is likely to do is establish networking |
| 18:00.53 | merethan | But once the config files are purged (or moved of course) it works fine again. |
| 18:01.07 | merethan | Sure he uses networking. |
| 18:01.12 | merethan | But so did I |
| 18:01.25 | nsadmin | find out how he does it |
| 18:01.38 | merethan | I took the machine to 28C3 in Berlin and hooked it onto the network :P |
| 18:01.55 | nsadmin | as you might imagine, this is a wild guess :) |
| 18:02.22 | merethan | Yeah well I don't see how plugging the network might bone the desktop environment.. |
| 18:02.40 | merethan | Doorbell rings |
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| 18:09.08 | kleanchap | Any recommendations to crack a forgotten password on a MS Word document file? |
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| 18:20.25 | bkc_ | consequent: cmake, configure, autoconf. my point is it already exists :) |
| 18:21.11 | calrogman | kleanchap: Knowing Microsoft, strings would probably do the trick. |
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| 18:22.35 | kleanchap | calrogman, Thnx! Great idea! |
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| 18:24.24 | calrogman | kleanchap: That was sarcasm, by the way. :-) |
| 18:24.24 | _ramok | hi |
| 18:24.34 | _ramok | i have a real problem... my apache is not starting anymore |
| 18:24.53 | _ramok | i have this output http://pastebin.com/i9yBiwpd |
| 18:24.56 | abrotman | check logs ? |
| 18:24.58 | _ramok | can anybody help me here? |
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| 18:25.52 | cromag | could it be that 443 is used by something else ? |
| 18:26.08 | calrogman | Something else is already listening on those ports. Maybe you need to turn your server (apache) off and on again? :-) |
| 18:26.09 | cromag | i don't remember if it gives that error. |
| 18:26.44 | _ramok | apache is not running currenlty |
| 18:26.47 | abrotman | _ramok: that looks prety obvious ... |
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| 18:27.59 | _ramok | abrotman: what looks obvious? |
| 18:27.59 | cromag | _ramok: i would go for a netstat -nlp |grep 443 and see what else is listening (can be done with less options most likely) |
| 18:28.12 | calrogman | lsof -i 4:443 -s TCP:LISTEN |
| 18:29.02 | _ramok | lsof command not found |
| 18:29.12 | calrogman | Install lsof, thank me later. |
| 18:29.29 | calrogman | In the meantime, use what cromag suggested. |
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| 18:29.39 | _ramok | that does not give any result |
| 18:30.04 | calrogman | put the full output of netstat -nlp on a pastebin? |
| 18:30.10 | _ramok | calrogman: and lsof -i 4:443 -s TCP:LISTEN does not result in anything too |
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| 18:30.52 | _ramok | calrogman: http://privatepaste.com/8aa4064ae3 |
| 18:31.12 | merethan | nsadmin, troubleshooting the xfce4 problems is totally undoable with diff |
| 18:31.13 | _ramok | now it is port :80 |
| 18:31.19 | _ramok | when starting apache |
| 18:31.24 | merethan | Too much output |
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| 18:31.42 | merethan | Also, now I am using the machine the problem does not play out. |
| 18:31.43 | _ramok | calrogman: http://privatepaste.com/c407c409b1 |
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| 18:32.09 | calrogman | Well, find out what's listening on port 80? |
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| 18:32.35 | cromag | you might need to be root for some views |
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| 18:32.43 | _ramok | i don't know how |
| 18:32.50 | ssfdre38 | hey is there a way to install a .deb via command line? |
| 18:33.13 | calrogman | ssfdre38: dpkg -i $deb |
| 18:33.41 | calrogman | _ramok: Use lsof -i 4:80 -s TCP:LISTEN :-) |
| 18:34.16 | _ramok | okay, got it... i deinstalled varnish and poun |
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| 18:34.16 | _ramok | :) |
| 18:34.16 | _ramok | but now i get redirected to a wrong page |
| 18:34.41 | calrogman | Getting your server running is one job, getting it working correctly is another. |
| 18:34.53 | _ramok | it worked previously |
| 18:34.54 | _ramok | :) |
| 18:35.23 | Iridos | why would using dropbear as a socks proxy fail when you use the iceweasel option network.proxy.socks_remote_dns? |
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| 18:35.52 | calrogman | _ramok: I think maybe removing varnish and pound was a bad idea then. Just a guess. |
| 18:36.08 | _ramok | calrogman: now.. it's working now... |
| 18:36.20 | calrogman | _ramok: Good, don't break it again. :-) |
| 18:36.23 | _ramok | hehe |
| 18:36.24 | _ramok | :) |
| 18:36.32 | _ramok | i've tried to speed up thinkgs |
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| 18:44.31 | nicoparker | hello everyone! I'm a bit lost about the usage of framebuffer on squeeze, I cannot find an up to date document - has anyone some useful link for me? |
| 18:45.35 | bkc_ | nicoparker: you're referring to fbdev(2) I presume? |
| 18:46.18 | nicoparker | bkc_: yes probably. I'd like to activate the frambuffer on my distro (for an usage without X) but I don't know how to do |
| 18:46.49 | nicoparker | bkc_: there is no clear path on how to do, which module to choose etc... |
| 18:46.54 | bkc_ | lsmod | grep fbdev |
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| 18:47.16 | bkc_ | sorry |
| 18:47.20 | bkc_ | lsmod | grep fb |
| 18:47.32 | bkc_ | look for fbdev/fbdev2/vesafb |
| 18:47.33 | nicoparker | bkc_: no fbdev in my modules |
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| 18:47.59 | nicoparker | bkc_: nor any other one |
| 18:48.04 | bkc_ | have you installed fbdev? |
| 18:48.30 | bkc_ | actually, install fbdev2 as fbdev has problems with some gfx-drivers :/ |
| 18:49.31 | nicoparker | bkc_: I only can find xserver-fbdev in apt |
| 18:49.54 | bkc_ | do a "sudo apt-get install fbset" and fbdev will tagalong :) |
| 18:50.45 | klys | Has anyone tried to compile gcc? |
| 18:51.00 | nicoparker | bkc_: I'm reading an article that tells to use directfb (which is installed here - libdirectfb) |
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| 18:51.27 | jelly-home | klys: best to ask yourreal question. |
| 18:51.31 | bkc_ | klys: yes, it takes ages on a regular computer... |
| 18:51.38 | klys | it's about the gcc source deb |
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| 18:51.45 | izepstan | what if: -su: up: command not found if i type up ip addr add.. ? |
| 18:52.02 | bkc_ | nicoparker: well... most programs work more nicely with fbdev2 than with dfb :) |
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| 18:52.30 | izepstan | hmm |
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| 18:52.50 | izepstan | didn't saw a programm named up, what is up? |
| 18:53.02 | simplew | debian uses systemd or upstart? |
| 18:53.03 | nicoparker | bkc_: ok so I follow your piece of advice :) is there any module blacklisting or grub modification to do by hand then, or is it managed by apt? |
| 18:53.06 | bkc_ | nicoparker: try "modprobe fbdev2" :) |
| 18:53.59 | bkc_ | don't know if fbdev is blacklisted by default (I've only set it up under ubuntu, and that was a hassle with xserver + nvidia-blobs -.-) |
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| 18:55.07 | nicoparker | bkc_: aww fb can put shit into the fan? |
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| 18:55.38 | bkc_ | nicoparker: fbdev made my gfx-card crash ;) fbdev2 didn't however :) |
| 18:55.43 | nicoparker | bkc_: the modprobe fails, no module found. Gotta check the blacklist |
| 18:55.55 | klys | bkc_: so when you compiled gcc was it the debian package? |
| 18:55.59 | thewanderer1 | simplew: Debian uses SysV init with insserv-based ordering |
| 18:56.16 | bkc_ | nicoparker: doesn't matter if it's blacklisted or not, It will still load on modprobe :) |
| 18:56.18 | nicoparker | bkc_: well I'm using a netbook with an intel chipset, should be well supported (hope so) |
| 18:56.36 | bkc_ | intel-chips I've tried it with all work with fbdev/fbdev2 |
| 18:56.57 | simplew | thewanderer1: so isnt possible to have systemd in debian? |
| 18:57.11 | bkc_ | nicoparker: try "ls /dev | grep fb |
| 18:57.12 | bkc_ | " |
| 18:57.22 | thewanderer1 | simplew: you *can* use systemd, it's just that it is not the default and is not supported officially |
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| 18:57.50 | nicoparker | bkc_: i have the fb0, but no module loaded |
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| 18:57.51 | bkc_ | klys: you don't "compile" the debian-package, you install it. however I've compiled gcc from source yes. |
| 18:58.13 | bkc_ | nicoparker: if you have fb0, then you have fbdev/fbdev2 :) |
| 18:58.21 | klys | bkc_: because I'm talking about the debian source package |
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| 18:59.02 | nicoparker | bkc_: so finally I just have to ajust grub2 to load the fb on start? |
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| 18:59.27 | simplew | thewanderer1: so theres default automated scripts that will handle packages services for systemd? |
| 18:59.28 | bkc_ | klys: ooh... then it's basically the same thing... it will take forever ^^ |
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| 18:59.43 | bkc_ | nicoparker: yes, and pray to god that it works ^^ |
| 18:59.46 | klys | has anyone done this? |
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| 19:00.10 | nicoparker | bkc_: I'm just feeling like I'm trying something totally exotic and risky... |
| 19:00.30 | izepstan | maybe someone in the mood to tell me what to do if my system (debian/squeeze) respond me with "up: command not found" if i try to add a additional ip for a xen system with "up ip addr add 192.*) |
| 19:00.30 | thewanderer1 | simplew: Debian packages don't ship with systemd config files, you'd have to write them yourself |
| 19:00.38 | nicoparker | bkc_: is framebuffer that complicated? |
| 19:00.54 | bkc_ | nicoparker: it's not risky, and definitively not exotic... most cli-only computers have fb setup :) |
| 19:01.01 | thewanderer1 | izepstan: how about an "ifconfig" at the beginning? |
| 19:01.12 | thewanderer1 | (and the device name!) |
| 19:01.16 | izepstan | i'll try |
| 19:01.33 | simplew | thewanderer1: so you will not be able to run systemd just by isntalling it |
| 19:01.39 | simplew | thats no real option |
| 19:01.59 | nicoparker | bkc_: so it should be some default setup, no? I mean it's better than a default ugly term. |
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| 19:02.21 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 19:02.38 | thewanderer1 | simplew: I never said it was... :P |
| 19:02.40 | bkc_ | klys: "apt-get -b source & dpkg" is almost the same thing as "wget, tar -xf, make, make install" so yes... |
| 19:03.00 | simplew | so its not possible to have a stable systemd usage |
| 19:03.02 | ZenWalker | anybody know why gambas3 is not on debian packages? |
| 19:03.03 | bkc_ | nicoparker: it will still look the same, just with better control over screen-size :/ |
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| 19:03.10 | simplew | so its not possible to have a stable systemd usage.9 |
| 19:03.16 | simplew | anyway thanks :) |
| 19:03.29 | Iridos | possible yes, practical no? |
| 19:03.37 | klys | bkc_: last I looked, this command will build dpkg. not gcc |
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| 19:03.55 | nicoparker | bkc_: yeah but I mean better resolution, ability to use mplayer etc... |
| 19:04.04 | bkc_ | klys: you missed the "dpkg" :/ |
| 19:04.09 | bkc_ | nicoparker: yes |
| 19:04.19 | bkc_ | klys: "&"*** |
| 19:04.29 | klys | what does it do |
| 19:04.35 | bkc_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
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| 19:06.01 | Iridos | ZenWalker, because everyone was waiting for YOU to package it? |
| 19:06.14 | bkc_ | klys: actually, that's how gentoo's package-manager works, so yes... everyone w/ gentoo+gcc have done it :/ |
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| 19:07.27 | Iridos | ZenWalker, or you could have looked for an ITP like: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654424 |
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| 19:08.08 | bkc_ | ZenWalker: "Why isn't package XYZ in the repo" always comes down to "Why aren't you maintaining it?"... |
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| 19:09.09 | nicoparker | bkc_: well I think I will have to study grub's doc :( but anyway your help was very useful thank you very much! |
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| 19:09.57 | nicoparker | have a very good night everyone, see ya!! |
| 19:10.06 | bkc_ | nicoparker: 1st of all, it's in /etc/grub.d/ :) |
| 19:11.38 | nicoparker | bkc_: yes, that's the starting point :) but I want to create new choices, add the fb etc... So I'd better take some time to do it! |
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| 19:12.18 | secher | Hello all. Hoping someone can point me in the correct direction. I have a script that is sending out emails via smtp. If an nonexistent non-local email addy is sent, no worries, but if a non-existent local email address is entered, the script just ends. I have a feeling it has to do with the connection to the SMTP server but the RFC and a bit of googling are less than helpful. Does anyone know of a mailing list, usenet group or channel where I |
| 19:12.19 | bkc_ | nicoparker: the line your looking for (I think) is in /etc/grub.d/10_linux @ around line 98 |
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| 19:12.25 | bkc_ | set gfxpayload |
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| 19:13.17 | secher | This is not directly debian related, so I'm not asking here per se, just hoping someone can give me a 'look over here' help. |
| 19:13.51 | merethan | secher, Some of your sentence was omitted due to a character limit |
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| 19:14.02 | secher | merethan: crap, I knew it was long. |
| 19:14.08 | secher | Im |
| 19:14.15 | dvs | like that one? |
| 19:14.25 | secher | I'm trying to find where I could go for help with an SMTP problem. |
| 19:14.26 | bkc_ | merethan: I'm guessing "channel where I can get help with this" or something like that |
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| 19:14.38 | secher | bkc_: Precisely. |
| 19:16.25 | tremon | secher: "just ends" and "a script" are too vague. Right now I don't know whether to direct you to #powershell or #perl |
| 19:17.02 | nicoparker | bkc_: i'm going through different files atm, but |
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| 19:17.21 | nicoparker | bkc_: i think i should wait tomorrow, too tired :/ |
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| 19:18.14 | ZenWalker | Iridos: bkc_: thanks :) |
| 19:18.29 | klys | bkc_: you used dpkg-buildpackage? what version of gcc did you build? |
| 19:18.55 | bkc_ | klys: I've only built from source. make & make install... |
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| 19:20.14 | tremon | !tell bkc_ about checkinstall |
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| 19:20.50 | klys | do we have bugs agaoinst source packages or only binary debs? |
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| 19:21.08 | bkc_ | klys: they are the same... |
| 19:21.08 | nicoparker | going to sleep, thanks again bkc_ - good night / day / whatever |
| 19:21.20 | bkc_ | nicoparker: np, and night ^^ |
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| 19:21.37 | bkc_ | tremon: that is what I call, cheating ^^ |
| 19:21.40 | secher | tremon: It is actually a script from within Filemaker, but I've checked thoroughly on the filemaker end and that seems to be pretty clear. It almost looks like there is something between the SMTP server and the stateful connection. I don't want to bug #debian too much, because it is not Debian related. I was more hoping for a hotbed of SMTP help. :-/ |
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| 19:22.00 | secher | dammit.. I'm going to leave guys.. sorry for spamming the channel. |
| 19:22.12 | Iridos | klys, bugs against a binary automatically also belong to a source package |
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| 19:22.55 | bkc_ | klys: they use the same files, just that deb-files are (usually) compiled, while source isn't... |
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| 19:24.15 | kleanchap | How do you run dos utilities in linux? |
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| 19:24.30 | Iridos | dosbox, probably |
| 19:24.34 | AimHere | Well DOSBox and DOSEMU are the two main methods |
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| 19:25.06 | klys | bochs or qemu, you can also use virtualbox but that requires a kernel module build session. the classic way is with dosemu |
| 19:25.07 | AimHere | DOSemu is similar to wine, it tries to turn DOS calls into Linux ones, it's less likely to be reliable |
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| 19:25.25 | AimHere | DosBox is a full-on emulator, so there's a big performance hit, but it should run almost anything |
| 19:26.10 | kleanchap | I installed dosemu but will only start as root user. After the dos window shows up, I cannot find the user home directory. |
| 19:26.15 | _ramok | hm |
| 19:26.26 | bkc_ | AimHere: so dosEMU isn't an emulator? and dosBOX is? ;) |
| 19:26.26 | kleanchap | Is there a dosemu config file? |
| 19:26.28 | valdyn | kleanchap: why would anyone want to run does "utilities" ? |
| 19:26.34 | _ramok | i have two virtual hosts.. both has different document roots |
| 19:26.41 | _ramok | but somehow i always get to the same page |
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| 19:26.59 | valdyn | *DOS* |
| 19:27.02 | geekbri | valdyn: I'm sure theres a valid usecase somewhere for it. |
| 19:27.08 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.09 | AimHere | bkc > Well it's 'not an emulator' the same way wine is 'not an emulator'. It's a sortof emulator |
| 19:27.11 | valdyn | geekbri: sure |
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| 19:31.15 | ilaiho_ | why there is no at updated in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/proposed-updates/ for amd64, but for other architectures there is |
| 19:32.09 | zykotick9 | (just a question, not directly support related issue) If "uname -m" reports kernel's "bitness", is "dpkg --print-architecture" an accurate userland "bitness" test? |
| 19:32.35 | tremon | zykotick9: on squeeze, yes |
| 19:32.50 | bkc_ | ilaiho_: prob not done yet :) |
| 19:32.57 | ilaiho_ | ok |
| 19:32.59 | zykotick9 | tremon: thanks. multiarch is different i assume? |
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| 19:35.19 | tremon | zykotick9: yes, with multiarch you can have multiple supported userland models (but --print-architecture will still print the "native" architecture iirc) |
| 19:35.41 | zykotick9 | tremon: thanks again ;) |
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| 19:37.17 | bkc_ | tremon: unless you specify the arch to dpkg... but that would kinda defy the purpose of --pring-arch ^^ |
| 19:38.14 | tremon | bkc_: you mean --print-architecture takes an optional argument? |
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| 19:39.09 | notze | hey guys |
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| 19:39.41 | notze | how can i execute rsync for each subdir called "cur" in a directory tree ( maildir) |
| 19:40.04 | bkc_ | tremon: no, but dpkg does iirc |
| 19:40.16 | notze | got it almost ;9 |
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| 19:40.55 | notze | find /home -type d -name 'Testdir' -exec "echo hello" \; |
| 19:41.14 | notze | how can i output instead of .hello the paren directory of testdir? |
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| 19:41.53 | tremon | notze: -execdir pwd? |
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| 19:42.50 | notze | tremon thx |
| 19:42.57 | notze | getting closer :) |
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| 19:44.06 | _ramok | what could be the reason, for the following: i have two vhost files on my apache.... one for mydomain.tld and the other for demoshop.mydomain.tld..... if i enter mydomain.tld in the browser i get redirected to demoshop.mydomain.tld.... i've restarted apache... cleared the browser cache |
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| 19:44.13 | _ramok | but still get redirected... |
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| 19:45.24 | sh4ring4n | hey |
| 19:45.33 | nsadmin | reditection is actually good, cookies stay consistant |
| 19:45.38 | cesarstafe | hi people, who knows about a good example of setting up 'runit'? |
| 19:45.38 | sh4ring4n | how come my name isn't in the sudoer's file? |
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| 19:46.55 | jhutchins_lt | sh4ring4n: Because you didn't put it there, and because it's managed using groups rather than user names. |
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| 19:47.04 | sh4ring4n | damn it... |
| 19:47.08 | sh4ring4n | so how do I get in? |
| 19:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | root password set during install. |
| 19:47.24 | Iridos | notze, omit the exec :) |
| 19:47.37 | sh4ring4n | yes |
| 19:47.43 | sh4ring4n | wait |
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| 19:48.03 | sh4ring4n | ... |
| 19:48.05 | notze | Iridos how do you mean= |
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| 19:48.23 | Iridos | it's ok |
| 19:48.24 | sh4ring4n | when I tried opening via synaptic |
| 19:48.24 | jwayne | _ramok: checked your dns entries? |
| 19:48.25 | sh4ring4n | it works |
| 19:48.31 | sh4ring4n | but when I use sudo |
| 19:48.33 | sh4ring4n | it doesn't work |
| 19:48.58 | nsadmin | synaptic, you mean typing the root pw when it asks? |
| 19:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | Right, because sudo isn't set up (although I hear you can skip the root password and it will set you up). |
| 19:49.09 | jhutchins_lt | sh4ring4n: ^ |
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| 19:50.04 | sh4ring4n | nsadmin: yes |
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| 19:50.25 | nsadmin | it's because (at least) synaptic doesn't use sudo |
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| 19:51.23 | OU818 | Where can I find more info on /etc/lirc/hardware.conf? |
| 19:51.36 | OU818 | this seems to be a debian only file\ |
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| 19:52.23 | sh4ring4n | when I type in the commands |
| 19:52.24 | sh4ring4n | wget http://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/fbc/Binaries%20-%20Linux/FreeBASIC-0.23.0-linux.run |
| 19:52.26 | sh4ring4n | it works |
| 19:52.29 | sh4ring4n | but in the script |
| 19:52.45 | sh4ring4n | it gives a 404 error |
| 19:52.46 | sh4ring4n | how come? |
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| 19:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | sh4ring4n: What script? |
| 19:53.55 | sh4ring4n | a .sh script |
| 19:53.57 | merethan | sh4ring4n, it is not unlikely that sf.net has some sort of script blocking |
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| 19:54.03 | sh4ring4n | ran by sh./blah blah blah |
| 19:54.13 | nsadmin | it's either quoting or that the server responsd differently |
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| 19:54.41 | sh4ring4n | ? |
| 19:54.49 | sh4ring4n | can you explain further? |
| 19:55.03 | nsadmin | about which? |
| 19:55.25 | sh4ring4n | the sh.net has the script blocking |
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| 19:56.12 | cesarstafe | hi people, who knows about a good example of setting up 'runit'? |
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| 19:56.59 | sh4ring4n | say, would a .sh script run the same as if you type it in? |
| 19:57.06 | nsadmin | you might try the url in a browser |
| 19:57.18 | sh4ring4n | when I type it in manually, it works... |
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| 19:57.25 | Iridos | sh4ring4n, yes |
| 19:58.05 | jonathan1104 | hi, how often do you guys like to update your system? |
| 19:58.08 | merethan | Some websites require a webpage to be viewed prior to allowing a download. To prevent "abuse". But since it seems to work from your commandline (not browser) but not script, I'd say that's not the problem. |
| 19:58.24 | nsadmin | sh4ring4n, type: echo "shell is $SHELL" in the same place where you type the wget |
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| 19:59.01 | notze | how can i combine -execdir pwd with another cmd? |
| 19:59.28 | notze | find /test/ rsync root@test.com:pwd ... |
| 19:59.40 | nsadmin | what's -execdir? |
| 19:59.50 | sh4ring4n | replacing it? |
| 19:59.51 | notze | find /test/ "name" -execdir root@test.com:pwd ... |
| 20:00.13 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jonathan1104 about polls |
| 20:00.31 | simonlnu | i think s/he means pwd as in present working dir |
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| 20:00.43 | nsadmin | what is meant by root@test.com:pwd |
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| 20:01.08 | notze | current dir |
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| 20:01.22 | nsadmin | what is meant by root@test.com: |
| 20:01.27 | notze | ssh |
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| 20:01.36 | Iridos | dpkg, tell notze about real question |
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| 20:01.41 | notze | rsync root@tets.com:/home |
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| 20:01.49 | sh4ring4n | nsadmin: it says shell is /bin/bash |
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| 20:02.30 | nsadmin | sh4ring4n, ok, now put echo "shell is $SHELL" in your script |
| 20:02.47 | sh4ring4n | I just did |
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| 20:02.51 | sh4ring4n | that's what it said |
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| 20:03.07 | nsadmin | I thought you typed that one into the shell prompt |
| 20:03.10 | sh4ring4n | oh |
| 20:03.20 | nsadmin | ok, then type it into your shell prompt :) |
| 20:03.21 | sh4ring4n | do you want me to do that? |
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| 20:03.28 | sh4ring4n | shell is /bin/bash |
| 20:03.39 | nsadmin | ok, so it -is- the same shell |
| 20:04.17 | sh4ring4n | nsadmin: would It help that I told you that sudo apt-get update would work in the script either? |
| 20:04.41 | nsadmin | pls restate |
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| 20:05.22 | sh4ring4n | "sudo apt-get update" would work in the script too |
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| 20:05.34 | nsadmin | ok |
| 20:05.46 | sh4ring4n | let me restate this |
| 20:05.51 | samineru | I'm new to server administration and I'm trying to setup a static IP for a server. I seem to be doing something wrong so as a sanity check I just ifconfig eth0 down, ifconfig eth0 up, but this seems to have broken it. What should I be doing instead? |
| 20:05.52 | sh4ring4n | "sudo apt-get update" would NOT work in the script too |
| 20:06.14 | nsadmin | oh, ok, that's what I didn't understand yet |
| 20:06.35 | nsadmin | how do you run the script? |
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| 20:07.16 | merethan | abrotman, tnx for help anyway :) |
| 20:07.22 | merethan | g2g! |
| 20:07.23 | merethan | bye |
| 20:07.27 | sh4ring4n | sh ./deb_configure.sh |
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| 20:07.56 | nsadmin | sh4ring4n, I see, so you're actually calling it with sh |
| 20:08.05 | tremon | samineru: you probably want ifup/ifdown scripts |
| 20:08.18 | nsadmin | try a coupla things, first: try bash deb_con... |
| 20:08.32 | jhutchins_lt | using sudo with shell scripts usually ends in tears of frustration. |
| 20:08.34 | Iridos | samineru, you're not supposed to run ifconfig yourself. us ifup and ifdown or /etc/init.d/network [up|down] |
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| 20:09.12 | Iridos | samineru, or you can of course run ifconfig yourself, but it's just doing what you tell it and ignores configuration files |
| 20:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Running ifconfig is a standard diagnostic procedure and handy tool to assign temporary settings. |
| 20:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Right. |
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| 20:09.39 | Iridos | right |
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| 20:11.35 | nsadmin | why say right when you can say east? |
| 20:12.47 | sh4ring4n | nope |
| 20:12.50 | sh4ring4n | still same message |
| 20:12.55 | OU818 | does anyone know where to find documentation on /etc/lirc/hardware.conf? |
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| 20:14.35 | samineru | ifdown is giving me "eth0 not configured" |
| 20:14.47 | sh4ring4n | nsadmin: have any ideas? |
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| 20:15.06 | Iridos | because you unconfigured with ifconfig? |
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| 20:15.40 | samineru | Iridos, I performed a reset and set /etc/network/interfaces back to what it was before I did any tinkering |
| 20:16.05 | samineru | Iridos, nvm, it was already down |
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| 20:16.20 | scwizard | finally everything is working |
| 20:16.56 | scwizard | I figured out why the internet wasn't working in debian, it was because the network was overloaded (we need a better router) and debian wasn't happy about that |
| 20:17.12 | scwizard | and now I have this new graphics card, so graphics are working, everything is peachy |
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| 20:17.50 | sh4ring4n | I'll send you the script, if you need it |
| 20:18.02 | sh4ring4n | in case I have a syntax error |
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| 20:18.39 | sh4ring4n | http://pastebin.com/wLUi4rPk |
| 20:19.43 | dvs | scwizard: Why didn't the old graphics card work? |
| 20:20.06 | scwizard | dvs, it was a legacy nvidia (173) which isn't supported by wheezy |
| 20:20.23 | scwizard | the nvidia drivers were unsupported, and the nouveou ones were glitchy |
| 20:20.29 | dvs | Ah, I see. |
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| 20:20.44 | scwizard | I haven't installed the nvidia ones on this yet, but they are supported if I wanted to |
| 20:20.52 | nsadmin | sh4ring4n, ok, now try: . deb_... |
| 20:20.54 | scwizard | and the nouveou (sp) ones seem to be working fine |
| 20:21.16 | nsadmin | sh4ring4n, trying to find the difference |
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| 20:21.39 | sh4ring4n | still like that... |
| 20:22.13 | sh4ring4n | nsadmin: does it work on your machine? |
| 20:22.17 | nsadmin | so, you're saying that when you do . (your script) it still does not work? |
| 20:22.34 | nsadmin | I don't know, I don't have the script |
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| 20:22.54 | sh4ring4n | I just gave you it |
| 20:22.57 | sh4ring4n | http://pastebin.com/wLUi4rPk |
| 20:23.16 | sh4ring4n | nsadmin: |
| 20:23.19 | nsadmin | argh :) I strongly dislike pastebin.com... |
| 20:23.43 | nsadmin | oh, and I don't run sudo |
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| 20:24.22 | nsadmin | I would think those sudos would ask for password |
| 20:24.23 | dvs | sh4ring4n: Script files don't get the PATH variable from the shell |
| 20:25.01 | nsadmin | dvs, that's why I had him try source (scriptname) |
| 20:25.09 | dvs | ah |
| 20:25.14 | nsadmin | or rather . scriptname |
| 20:25.16 | nsadmin | same thing :) |
| 20:25.48 | sh4ring4n | dvs: can you explain? |
| 20:25.53 | tremon | dvs: I think I missed that PSA? |
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| 20:27.23 | Throat | sh4ring4n, what you're doing there isn't a very good idea and it doesn't get better when you put into a script |
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| 20:28.00 | sh4ring4n | how come? |
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| 20:28.22 | dvs | sh4ring4n, tremon: Hmmm... I guess it's only applicable to #! scripts. |
| 20:28.48 | dvs | but if it's being pulled in as part of another script, that's OK. |
| 20:28.49 | Iridos | well... this installs stuff into the same tree as the packages? |
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| 20:29.39 | scwizard | nsadmin, what don't you like about sudo? |
| 20:29.43 | sh4ring4n | crunchbang? |
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| 20:31.27 | jonathan1104 | how often would you guys recommend updating a debian system? |
| 20:31.52 | Iridos | you asked that half an hour ago and dpkg told you about polls half an hour ago |
| 20:32.01 | scwizard | jonathan1104, if you're running squeeze, then the only updates coming through are security updates, so you should update the system whenever an update lands |
| 20:32.04 | Iridos | actually, no, right... you asked how often we :) |
| 20:32.10 | jelly-home | jonathan1104: depends on what it's used for and whether it's exposed to the internet |
| 20:32.11 | scwizard | if you're running wheezy, then it's more complicated |
| 20:32.20 | jonathan1104 | I'm running stable |
| 20:32.37 | jonathan1104 | I'm using it on my laptop |
| 20:32.40 | Imtek | win 5 |
| 20:32.46 | scwizard | jonathan1104, if you're running squeeze (the current stable) then update it whenever and update lands |
| 20:32.52 | jonathan1104 | ok |
| 20:32.52 | scwizard | because those are all sercurity updates |
| 20:32.55 | jonathan1104 | thanks |
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| 20:36.40 | sh4ring4n | dvs, tremon, nsadmin: umm... can you explain it further? |
| 20:37.59 | tremon | sh4ring4n: did you paste the output of your script somewhere? |
| 20:38.18 | sh4ring4n | http://pastebin.com/wLUi4rPk |
| 20:38.45 | scwizard | so this this new gnome thing |
| 20:38.50 | scwizard | we're not allowed to have desktop icons anymore? |
| 20:39.01 | tremon | sh4ring4n: that's not output, that's your script itself |
| 20:39.15 | nsadmin | scwizard, for one thing we've seen right here that sudo is not implemented throughout... for another, I'm very used to being logged in as root. This is just me... people who don't know the shell well could find that weird/bad things happen when they insert a space where it shouldn't be |
| 20:39.15 | jonathan1104 | scwizard: are you talking about gnome 3? |
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| 20:39.41 | scwizard | jonathan1104 I think so. how can i set up firefox such that I can open it with one click after logging in |
| 20:40.03 | nsadmin | I've been there, done that, would have had the teeshirt but it got rm -rfed by me hitting enter... |
| 20:40.08 | scwizard | nsadmin: what do you mean "sudo is not implemented throughout" |
| 20:40.17 | jonathan1104 | my desktop runs gnome 3 and I have an extension that allows me to have icons on the top panel |
| 20:40.34 | nsadmin | if you try synaptic, it askes for root pw |
| 20:40.34 | sh4ring4n | oh |
| 20:40.34 | jonathan1104 | you can also turn desktop icons on |
| 20:40.35 | sh4ring4n | the output |
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| 20:40.52 | scwizard | nsadmin, oh you're talking about the graphical enviroment |
| 20:40.59 | jonathan1104 | scwizard: if you want desktop icons then use the gnome tweak tool and turn on file handling for the desktop |
| 20:41.15 | scwizard | sudo makes a lot of sense to me headless, because that way your administrative actions are logged |
| 20:41.19 | sh4ring4n | http://pastebin.com/NCgVayPv |
| 20:41.28 | scwizard | I don't have any experiance with graphics though, so I couldn't say in regards to that |
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| 20:42.36 | nsadmin | scwizard, mostly, I'm personally very comfortable with the shell, and so when sudo became available, I stayed with what I had |
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| 20:43.29 | scwizard | jonathan1104, well I'm relutant to, turn on "file handling for the desktop" because I imagine if they made it so that space wasn't used for desktop icons, it has some other purpose now |
| 20:43.38 | dtcrshr | im having trouble with my connection, somethint odd with my routes, is there a way to fully reset the route entryes? |
| 20:43.48 | scwizard | so what is the new purpose of the desktop, now that it's not a place to store files/folders/programs? |
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| 20:44.05 | dawud_ | dtcrshr: describe your setup and existing rules |
| 20:44.08 | tremon | sh4ring4n: remove the CR/LF line endings from your script |
| 20:44.13 | dawud_ | routes* |
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| 20:44.24 | nsadmin | scwizard, coffee castor? :) |
| 20:44.28 | jonathan1104 | scwizard: there's an extension to allow you to have icons on your top panel. It takes stuff from the dock and throws it on the panel |
| 20:44.32 | sh4ring4n | cr/cf? |
| 20:44.53 | scwizard | jonathan1104, that's not so much what I'm wondering, what I'm wondering is what is all that blank space for now? |
| 20:45.15 | jonathan1104 | scwizard: blank space? |
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| 20:45.27 | scwizard | when I log into gnome, there's a bar at the top with buttons |
| 20:45.32 | tremon | sh4ring4n: the url http://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/fbc/Binaries%20-%20Linux/FreeBASIC-0.23.0-linux.run%0D trips up the remote server |
| 20:45.35 | scwizard | then there's a much larger blank space below without buttons |
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| 20:45.54 | scwizard | can I put buttons in the blank space, such that I have a number of buttons that are one click away after I've logged in? |
| 20:46.20 | scwizard | and if not, then what is the purpose of that blank space |
| 20:46.23 | scwizard | (if not to put buttons there) |
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| 20:47.15 | sh4ring4n | tremon: so how would I do that? |
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| 20:48.14 | tremon | !tell sh4ring4n about dos2unix |
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| 20:48.49 | scwizard | I will ask in gnome |
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| 20:49.35 | sh4ring4n | ... |
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| 20:51.16 | dtcrshr | is only route to list ? |
| 20:51.21 | dtcrshr | i got for lines, ill paste it |
| 20:51.44 | nsadmin | sh4ring4n, one thing to consider, is that since your script does so many sudos it probably makes sense to get rid of them all and run the script under sudo or just su |
| 20:52.11 | nsadmin | this is a more dangerous proposition since you're running a shell as root and shells can do anything |
| 20:52.56 | sh4ring4n | oh |
| 20:52.57 | tremon | sh4ring4n: and as we're picking nits, the script should clean up after itself or put the downloaded file in /tmp |
| 20:52.58 | sh4ring4n | thx |
| 20:53.45 | tremon | sh4ring4n btw the crlf->unix factoid has a simple tr command you can use |
| 20:54.07 | nsadmin | one thing that could be happening is maybe sudo thinks it cannot interact with the user if it thinks it's inside a script |
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| 20:55.11 | sh4ring4n | FIXED! |
| 20:55.14 | sh4ring4n | :D |
| 20:55.17 | sh4ring4n | thank you all! |
| 20:55.53 | sh4ring4n | parties! |
| 20:56.09 | nsadmin | we did make sure your braincells were not inactive during this process |
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| 20:57.50 | sh4ring4n | ? |
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| 20:58.08 | sh4ring4n | oh. |
| 20:58.30 | sh4ring4n | At least I learned several things about windows/unix differences |
| 20:58.39 | sh4ring4n | about cf/cr |
| 20:58.52 | sh4ring4n | and sh and bash does the same thing |
| 20:59.05 | simonlnu | mostly |
| 20:59.46 | nsadmin | actually... about bash and sh |
| 21:00.12 | Iridos | don't start |
| 21:00.23 | nsadmin | sh actually can be several different actual shells, depending on your setup |
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| 21:00.42 | sh4ring4n | like ksh |
| 21:00.43 | sh4ring4n | tsh |
| 21:00.49 | sh4ring4n | bsh |
| 21:00.51 | sh4ring4n | etc. |
| 21:01.10 | nsadmin | the way to think about that, is that sh is expected to be a "posix compatible shell" |
| 21:01.28 | sh4ring4n | thx |
| 21:01.37 | nsadmin | and pick up more about what it means to have posix compliance as you go |
| 21:01.55 | nsadmin | bash is kinda special in that regard |
| 21:01.55 | sh4ring4n | anything that runs in real unix |
| 21:02.13 | nsadmin | bash has these nonposix extensions |
| 21:03.08 | nsadmin | and they can be turned on and off... when they're off, bash mostly behaves like sh (posix compliant, no bashisms) |
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| 21:03.31 | jonathan1104 | scwizard: O |
| 21:03.38 | jonathan1104 | scwizard: I'm not really sure what you're after |
| 21:03.38 | nsadmin | by default, bash will look at its own name to decide whether to turn these on or off |
| 21:03.48 | scwizard | I am going to have to change to a different desktop enviroment. Having the following things is really important to me: a note taking application that will open a new window faster than gedit will. That said application be one mouse gesture + click away at any given time. That a new terminal window is one mouse gesture + click away at any given time. |
| 21:04.05 | sh4ring4n | xomrad? |
| 21:04.13 | sh4ring4n | + nano? |
| 21:04.18 | nsadmin | if its name is bash, turn the extensions off... if its name is sh, behave like sh |
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| 21:05.28 | ries | hello, is wheezy version 7 or is that version 6? |
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| 21:06.51 | nsadmin | wheezy will likely be 7 |
| 21:07.17 | nsadmin | squeeze is 6.0 |
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| 21:09.28 | ries | nsadmin: thanks… the names keeps confusing me... |
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| 21:10.01 | ries | because debian homepages talks about version numbers, whole some software poitns to 'the names' |
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| 21:10.55 | scwizard | so I did tasksel -> debian desktop enviroment |
| 21:10.57 | scwizard | how do I undo that |
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| 21:11.11 | scwizard | in preparation for installing a different desktop enviroment |
| 21:11.14 | Diopter | Do it again and deselect it ;P |
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| 21:11.17 | scwizard | ok |
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| 21:11.51 | scwizard | yay simple~ |
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| 21:14.24 | scwizard | I did tasksel, unselected it, then rebooted, and gnome still seems to be installed |
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| 21:14.45 | scwizard | so unselecting the task in tasksel doesn't seem to have undone what was done |
| 21:15.13 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: that's correct; tasks aren't like meta packages |
| 21:15.26 | scwizard | ok so how do I undo what I've done here? |
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| 21:15.38 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: however, you can view what the task would have installed, and mark those packages as automatically installed |
| 21:15.55 | scwizard | the task is already installed, I want to uninstall it |
| 21:16.36 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: yes, so you view the task, and mark the packages that were installed that you don't want as automatically installed, and they'll go away if nothing depends on them |
| 21:16.42 | scwizard | eh, I think I might just reinstall the OS |
| 21:16.55 | Diopter | scwizard: Why not learn how to fix the issue? |
| 21:17.04 | Diopter | Will take probably the same or less time, and will save you time in the future |
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| 21:17.12 | scwizard | well I understand how to fix the issue now it's pretty simple, but then I'd also need to |
| 21:17.12 | scwizard | bleh fine |
| 21:17.14 | scwizard | I'll do that |
| 21:17.27 | scwizard | how do I view what the task has intalled? |
| 21:17.32 | scwizard | so I know what packages to mark as auto |
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| 21:17.41 | Catnaroek | n00b question, |
| 21:17.50 | Catnaroek | I just bought speakers for my computer |
| 21:18.15 | Catnaroek | But they don't work. I have all sound packages installed. |
| 21:18.40 | Diopter | scwizard: tasksel --task-packages desktop ? |
| 21:18.50 | scwizard | o I should ahve just man tasksel sry |
| 21:18.51 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: run aptitude, the tasks are listed at the bottom |
| 21:18.55 | scwizard | I thought it was a run trick pony |
| 21:18.55 | dondelelcaro | or use tasksel |
| 21:19.37 | scwizard | I ran aptitude, I don't see taks listed anywhere |
| 21:19.49 | scwizard | I have "new packags, instaleld packages, not installed packages, obsolute packages, virutal packages" |
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| 21:20.14 | dondelelcaro | below that it should have tasks; well, maybe not on older versions of aptitude... |
| 21:20.38 | dondelelcaro | hrm; it has tasks here in squeeze. |
| 21:20.46 | scwizard | I'm running wheezy \o.o/ |
| 21:20.54 | dondelelcaro | it should have it in wheezy too |
| 21:21.05 | dondelelcaro | (it certainly does in unstable) |
| 21:21.25 | Derpadong | Debian Sid. \m/ |
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| 21:23.04 | scwizard | tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 21:23.07 | scwizard | gives me: task-desktop |
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| 21:23.17 | scwizard | apt-mark auto task-desktop |
| 21:23.26 | scwizard | gives me "task-desktop can not be marked as it is not installed." |
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| 21:25.21 | scwizard | gonna try "sudo tasksel remove desktop" |
| 21:25.32 | scwizard | oh wait that was the same as unchecking the box |
| 21:25.51 | streuner | dpkg, remove gnome |
| 21:25.52 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 21:26.22 | scwizard | streuner, the desktop task might have included stuff other than gnome |
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| 21:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | scientes: There might be cookies. |
| 21:26.48 | Diopter | scwizard: So reinstall the task, then apt-mark it, then autoremove |
| 21:26.49 | scwizard | so I need to make sure all that stuff is cleared out before I do: desktop=xfce and reinstall the desktop task |
| 21:26.49 | streuner | scwizard: gnome is the main part of it |
| 21:26.57 | scwizard | o |
| 21:27.26 | streuner | usually |
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| 21:27.34 | Catnaroek | Hello. I just run "lspci -v", and found this info about my sound card: http://paste.debian.net/164713/ |
| 21:27.51 | Catnaroek | How should I configure ALSA/whatever to make my speakers work? |
| 21:27.55 | scientes | jhutchins, COOKIES, OMG COOKIES |
| 21:27.58 | scientes | cookiemonster |
| 21:28.17 | scientes | --- cookiemonster :Nickname is already in use. |
| 21:28.20 | scientes | :(((( |
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| 21:28.25 | Derpadong | Catnaroek, Intel is 'okay' |
| 21:28.26 | montreux | hi, is there any to disable service startup during package re/installation ? I heard that .postinst script that uses only 'invoke-rc.d' to start service might be stopped. Does it true? |
| 21:28.42 | scwizard | wierd, the task-desktop is set to auto now |
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| 21:28.49 | Catnaroek | Derpadong: But I get no sound. |
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| 21:28.57 | scwizard | but when I "apt-get autoremove" it says "0 upgraded, 0 to remove" |
| 21:29.02 | Catnaroek | I do not even know what information I should look for. |
| 21:29.50 | Derpadong | Catnaroek, open terminal and type alsamixer and see if it is muted. To see if it is muted, press the m button on the selected item. It should have a green box |
| 21:30.01 | jelly-home | !nom |
| 21:30.09 | Derpadong | The green box means it isnt muted |
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| 21:30.12 | Catnaroek | Let me see,. |
| 21:30.30 | Derpadong | jelly-home, I aint trolling today |
| 21:30.32 | Derpadong | lol |
| 21:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | scientes: There is no real reason not to have both gnome an xfce installed. KDE too. |
| 21:30.47 | Derpadong | KDE = Windows Clone |
| 21:30.53 | Derpadong | XFCE = amazing |
| 21:31.04 | Derpadong | Gnome = Wtfhappenedtothedevsminds? |
| 21:31.07 | Derpadong | lol |
| 21:31.09 | Achylles | how do I recover my small Debian icons Alacarte menu? They now look all the same with a small 'x' in the middle :( |
| 21:31.37 | Derpadong | Achylles, Did you happen to change icon themes? |
| 21:31.40 | Catnaroek | Derpadong: Green box means it is muted or it is not? |
| 21:31.47 | Derpadong | It is not muted |
| 21:32.07 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.10 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 21:32.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:32.40 | scwizard | apt-get remove task-desktop --auto-remove is better, but it's still only removing 13 packages. Amoung them xorg, |
| 21:32.42 | Derpadong | nsadmin, technically, the way I did that made it seem more interesting upon my eyes |
| 21:32.48 | scwizard | which is wierd, since I thought more than 100 packages depended on xorg |
| 21:32.56 | Catnaroek | Derpadong: Wow, thanks, man! |
| 21:32.59 | Achylles | Derpadong, yes and it looks the same in other icon themes. I think some package was removed after upgrade |
| 21:33.10 | Derpadong | Catnaroek, Did that work? |
| 21:33.16 | nsadmin | and too distracting to participants of other support conversations |
| 21:33.17 | Catnaroek | Derpadong: Yep! :) |
| 21:33.34 | Derpadong | I can say this but I used to be a Arch user so I know a lot of things and now Im a Debian Sid user |
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| 21:34.37 | Derpadong | Catnaroek, Let me find the command to store the settings |
| 21:35.06 | Derpadong | Catnaroek, type alsactl store in terminal |
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| 21:35.59 | xispirito | i don't understand, for me OSS work...better than alsa |
| 21:36.13 | streuner | true |
| 21:36.27 | Derpadong | What was it... Alsa>OSS>PulseAudio |
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| 21:36.34 | Derpadong | If I remember correctly |
| 21:37.08 | Diopter | Pulse is actually fantastic. |
| 21:37.15 | nsadmin | well some sound devs won't work with alsa |
| 21:37.22 | Derpadong | Its the younger of the 3 |
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| 21:37.39 | Derpadong | Yeah. Alsa does not do a lot of new things like HDMI I believe |
| 21:37.49 | Achylles | Which is the pixmaps package for Alacarte? Perhaps I have to reinstall it |
| 21:38.05 | nsadmin | one in particular made his driver in jack |
| 21:38.07 | bkc_ | Derpadong: alsa does everything the driver tells it to :) |
| 21:38.19 | scwizard | wow it's true, xorg only has 2 reverse dependencies |
| 21:38.24 | scwizard | that doesn't make any sense tho u_u |
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| 21:38.47 | xispirito | besides, alsa here use a lot more memory and are a bit slow |
| 21:38.48 | bkc_ | Derpadong: musicplayer -> pulseaudio -> alsa -> hdmi -> tv works fine for me :) |
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| 21:39.12 | sanitypassing | hi, can anyone recommand a good Ti-83 emulator? |
| 21:39.33 | nsadmin | fingers and abacus! |
| 21:39.38 | sanitypassing | heh |
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| 21:40.03 | nsadmin | you'll need a delux abacus for transendentals |
| 21:40.44 | nsadmin | why ti83? |
| 21:41.14 | sanitypassing | 'cause my brother told me to find one for schoo. :/ |
| 21:41.21 | sanitypassing | Or an 84, he said |
| 21:41.28 | sanitypassing | I dunno. I'm just going by what he said |
| 21:41.29 | dondelelcaro | sanitypassing: see tiemu |
| 21:41.37 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 21:41.57 | nsadmin | so he really does want somethng that specific |
| 21:41.58 | dondelelcaro | but honestly, if you're going to use a computer, use R or octave or an RPN calc or similar. |
| 21:42.19 | nsadmin | aptitude install gforth :) |
| 21:43.15 | dondelelcaro | was thinking about rpn or M-x calc, but whatever works |
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| 21:43.50 | scwizard | I'm gonna reinstall |
| 21:44.01 | scwizard | I sitll can't figure out how to unwind the 1000 packages tasksel installed |
| 21:44.13 | dondelelcaro | err, s/rpn/dc/ |
| 21:44.30 | nsadmin | I wrote a nice IP address calculator in gforth |
| 21:44.43 | themill | scwizard: dpkg keeps logs if you want to do it that way |
| 21:44.46 | nsadmin | well ipv4 |
| 21:44.53 | scwizard | that would be a pain |
| 21:44.58 | Diopter | Nothing nice comes from gforth. |
| 21:45.03 | Diopter | Don't you lie to me ;P |
| 21:45.09 | scwizard | although tbh |
| 21:45.25 | scwizard | I should probably write a script at some point "uninstall everything installed after %DATE%" |
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| 21:46.04 | nsadmin | Diopter, evidently you didn't spend the requisite month coding 8 hrs/day |
| 21:46.40 | nsadmin | after that month you pretty much understand the whole thing |
| 21:46.55 | Diopter | nsadmin: I spend too much time with obscure languages as it is ;P |
| 21:47.54 | nsadmin | then how would you know what comes from it? :) |
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| 21:48.15 | nsadmin | as you're implying you don't want to spend the time and haven't already |
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| 21:48.49 | TomLM | I keep getting this error when entering my flash drive, http://pastie.org/3841757 |
| 21:48.51 | nsadmin | but it is true... there are so many languages out there |
| 21:49.00 | TomLM | Even though it's not plugged in. |
| 21:49.35 | nsadmin | TomLM, interesting... you're getting error from a disconnected device? |
| 21:49.47 | TomLM | Yes. |
| 21:49.50 | TomLM | It's just stuck there. |
| 21:49.55 | TomLM | Even if i reboot my system. |
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| 21:50.13 | xispirito | TomLM, have you wirte entry in fstab for this device? |
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| 21:50.20 | xispirito | #write |
| 21:50.27 | TomLM | xispirito, Yes i have. |
| 21:50.36 | xispirito | that's it =D |
| 21:50.44 | nsadmin | look in /etc/fstab |
| 21:50.46 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 21:51.07 | Derpadong | bkc_, I just realised you higlighted me. lol I might see about getting a new laptop. I am now going to try a project of mine |
| 21:51.18 | nsadmin | oh, we're on the same path |
| 21:51.18 | Derpadong | Its called XBMC on the old Xbox =D |
| 21:52.05 | bkc_ | Derpadong: new laptop? :/ |
| 21:52.12 | TomLM | It's worked thanks! :) |
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| 21:52.41 | bkc_ | Derpadong: old school ^^ I use that, works like a charm :) |
| 21:52.57 | Derpadong | bkc_, I have the original cr48 chromebook with the UEFI chip blocked off and a modified bios + Debian Sid running on it |
| 21:52.59 | TomLM | Now it won't even detect the device o.o? |
| 21:53.53 | nsadmin | TomLM, how did you come to that conclusion |
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| 21:54.09 | TomLM | I plugged it in and it wont come up. |
| 21:54.28 | TomLM | But in GParted it shows a warning sign next to the /dev/sdc1 |
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| 21:55.52 | TomLM | This is what gparted looks like when i select my flash drive > http://imgur.com/5YeC0 |
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| 21:57.09 | Diopter | nsadmin: I spent enough time on Forth to feel I can dismiss gforth out of hand ;P |
| 21:58.48 | xispirito | TomLM, you have dosfstools installed? ( i think gparted install it as dependency, but... ) |
| 21:58.56 | TomLM | Yes. |
| 21:59.26 | nsadmin | are you comparing gforth as a particular instance of forth, or commenting on forth as a whole? |
| 21:59.34 | Diopter | nsadmin: Both! |
| 22:00.25 | nsadmin | hmm. I want to be on the road for my bass lesson in like 2 mins |
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| 22:01.27 | TomLM | Ohhhhhh, My kernel just had a failure. :S |
| 22:01.44 | nsadmin | my kernel lies o-er the ocean... |
| 22:02.24 | TomLM | Has anyone else had a failure on kernel 3.2-dpo? |
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| 22:02.55 | nsadmin | you seem to still be here... so it can't be a really bad failurs |
| 22:03.06 | TomLM | I know. |
| 22:03.17 | TomLM | I think it's this flash drive causing it. |
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| 22:04.32 | nsadmin | wonder why it earlier thought it was mounted |
| 22:05.07 | TomLM | Well somehow i created 2 flash drives on the same flash drive. |
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| 22:05.50 | xispirito | if these happens with me, i will try to erase these fstab entry, reboot and see what's happen |
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| 22:09.21 | scwizard | by reinstalling I can set up encryption this time |
| 22:09.22 | scwizard | so why not lol |
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| 22:12.38 | TomLM | Note to self: Allow your system to fully boot up before forcing programs to open. |
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| 22:13.24 | bkc_ | TomLM: ^^ |
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| 22:13.54 | TomLM | It had no top or bottom menu bar and i started clicking chrome like mad. |
| 22:14.03 | TomLM | Anyway, Night. |
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| 22:20.07 | seeergiu-dev | Hi |
| 22:20.12 | seeergiu-dev | what date is todaY? |
| 22:20.21 | engla | 24 apr |
| 22:20.25 | seeergiu-dev | thanks |
| 22:20.27 | scwizard | when setting up encrypted lvm, it wants to zero out my whole HD |
| 22:20.33 | scwizard | which takes foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:20.36 | scwizard | is this step mandatory? |
| 22:20.42 | engla | seeergiu-dev: warning, timezone applies |
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| 22:21.03 | xispirito | here is 23 apr yet... |
| 22:22.29 | scwizard | o apparently it is |
| 22:22.40 | scwizard | bleh brb |
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| 22:29.57 | Larrybolt | I have pretty much messed up my debian box, is it possible to put a netinstall on a secondairy partition and boot from it to reinstall? |
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| 22:30.08 | dondelelcaro | Larrybolt: yes |
| 22:30.25 | dondelelcaro | Larrybolt: or you can throw it onto /boot if /boot is big enough, or similar |
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| 22:31.06 | abrotman | Larrybolt: you don't want to try to recover teh install ? |
| 22:32.40 | Larrybolt | This box I'm talking about has been idle for +3 years, I tried upgrading from etch to squeeze (which wasn't a good idea), not only perl, but also the gcc is messed up (if that's possible) |
| 22:33.20 | Larrybolt | And being such a stuborn I don't want to go the lazy way and just burn a cd |
| 22:33.21 | dondelelcaro | Larrybolt: it's still possible to fix things up |
| 22:33.27 | abrotman | skipping lenny is not a good thing, but it's your call |
| 22:33.36 | dondelelcaro | but whatever works |
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| 22:34.34 | zro | im confused why $ apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` gives me can't find linux-headers-2.6.27. How is that the kernel I have, but its not in the repos? |
| 22:34.39 | dondelelcaro | if you want to know how to do that, see: http://www.donarmstrong.com/posts/x200_bios_update/ if you're using grub2. |
| 22:34.47 | dondelelcaro | zro: because we don't distribute that kernel anymore |
| 22:35.04 | zro | oh.. hmmm |
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| 22:35.14 | Larrybolt | Also I'm a web developer, but I'm going to manage a few vps in the future so I really want to get the hang of Debian, without having physical access. |
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| 22:35.43 | abrotman | zro: what is 'dpkg -l libc6' ? |
| 22:35.45 | Larrybolt | Even though most vps providers allow backup/restore from an image, but still doesn't seem the best way to me. |
| 22:35.58 | zro | not sure what to do now then, dondelelcaro. i need to change, or get that else where? note this is a crap vps in openVZ im working on. |
| 22:36.02 | dondelelcaro | Larrybolt: well, without a custom CD that does ssh preseeding, you'll be hard pressed to do a completely remote install |
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| 22:36.12 | dondelelcaro | zro: uh... in that case, who knows what they're doing |
| 22:36.26 | zro | dondelelcaro: 2.11.3-3 |
| 22:36.26 | dondelelcaro | zro: they should presumably be able to upgrade the kernel to something more recent, though |
| 22:37.02 | dondelelcaro | zro: ok, that's a squeeze libc6, but for some reason you've got an ancient kernel running. Upgrade it if you can |
| 22:37.17 | dondelelcaro | zro: but since it's a vps host, that's often determined by the vps hoster. |
| 22:37.19 | zro | dondelelcaro: shouldn't apt-get upgrade tell me to? |
| 22:37.32 | dondelelcaro | zro: only if you've got a debian kernel package installed |
| 22:37.47 | dondelelcaro | (which doesn't seem to be the case) |
| 22:40.05 | zro | gah im so confused |
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| 22:42.02 | __Wodemaye | Does the livedisc installer support resizing my windows partition while leaving win 7 intact? |
| 22:42.38 | Baen | __Wodemaye, you would be better booting to Win7 then downsizing the partition using disk manager |
| 22:42.49 | Baen | use the free space to then install debian :) |
| 22:43.40 | __Wodemaye | Baen, would it work from the deb installer though? |
| 22:44.07 | Baen | I dont think so but then again im not 100% sure |
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| 22:44.14 | Baen | as its NTFS |
| 22:44.30 | ethos | You can |
| 22:44.37 | ethos | Just did |
| 22:44.44 | BenNZ | hi trying to make an lvm , using lvm-manaager , i have 22gb of unallocated space , in between partitions i need to keep, also inside an existing extended partition , when i goto initiliaze , i get stuck at the enter path , anyone know what i need to add there |
| 22:44.54 | __Wodemaye | ethos, So what options should I select? |
| 22:45.30 | ethos | At the point when you choose your partitions you will have the option to manually configure them |
| 22:45.41 | ethos | you resize your windows partition at that point |
| 22:45.49 | ethos | then you can use the free space for debian |
| 22:46.00 | ethos | just make sure you leave enough space for windows |
| 22:46.05 | ethos | or bad things happen |
| 22:46.22 | Baen | good to know, thanks ethos! |
| 22:46.23 | BenNZ | ethos: so i have to make the lvm partition first? if so can i use lvm manager |
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| 22:46.43 | ethos | ask someone else |
| 22:46.49 | ethos | I am pretty new to linux myself |
| 22:47.06 | BenNZ | ethos: sorry just realised you probably werent talking to me |
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| 22:51.42 | __Wodemaye | ethos, and you didn't have any problems when you did that? |
| 22:52.46 | ethos | No, but I would backup if you aren't sure about what you are doing |
| 22:53.04 | ethos | there are also a number of guides for it |
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| 22:53.42 | Naruni | so if i am installing onto a usb flash drive (which has been block tested for read/write) and everything goes well except it hangs everytime on installing tar, how do i solve that? the install media is netinstall amd |
| 22:54.03 | abrotman | did you check the debug console? |
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| 22:54.19 | Larrybolt | Changed Squeeze to stable in sources.list and did an apt-get install; apt-get upgrade, seems to getting better |
| 22:54.44 | Larrybolt | locale is still messed up and perl is probably gonna spit out some nasty notices, but that won't hurt that much. |
| 22:54.49 | Naruni | abrotman: nothing shows |
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| 22:55.49 | Larrybolt | Nope, package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg, bugga |
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| 22:57.39 | Achylles | how to I access my gnome-shell > Gnome session? I always give me the message 'Oh no something went wrong'. I have uninstalled compiz, but even though I cannot get in :( |
| 22:58.03 | Achylles | and I have 3d accl running ok |
| 22:59.04 | abrotman | try as a different user? |
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| 23:00.58 | Achylles | abrotman, I have tried, but the problem is still there |
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| 23:01.15 | Baen | Achylles, what happens when you drop to shell (CTRL + ALT + F2) then ps aux | grep -i x-session-manager, kill the x-session-manager process then startx |
| 23:02.12 | Achylles | Baen, I will try |
| 23:02.39 | Larrybolt | Got latest version of dpkg now, but it's giving me, usr/bin/dpkg: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.6' not found (required by /usr/bin/dpkg) |
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| 23:02.42 | Larrybolt | Any hints? |
| 23:02.44 | Baen | was it working previously? |
| 23:04.14 | Larrybolt | Nope, it was giving: package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg |
| 23:04.26 | themill | Larrybolt: what are you upgrading from here... etch to squeeze? or something older again? |
| 23:04.35 | riddlebox | will gnome-classic always be an option in gnome3? or will they stop including it? |
| 23:04.37 | dondelelcaro | themill: etch to squeeze, apparently |
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| 23:05.07 | Larrybolt | Nope, still the etch box, that kinda got upgraded to squeeze, I'm already amazed it didn't totally give up.totaly |
| 23:05.23 | dondelelcaro | Larrybolt: you'll need to upgrade libc6 too. dpkg itself probably won't work without it. |
| 23:05.23 | themill | ick |
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| 23:05.35 | dondelelcaro | Larrybolt: first try to get yourself a busybox-static or similar though, just so you have a chance of having things work |
| 23:07.00 | Larrybolt | hmm, haven't heared about that yet, I'm learning, thanks! |
| 23:08.06 | Baen | time for more beer |
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| 23:11.58 | jwayne | There's no way to add a top-level menu beside Applications, Places, System uh? :/ |
| 23:12.08 | jwayne | (in Gnome 2) |
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| 23:14.31 | jonathan1104 | I have iptables installed but /etc/init.d/iptables start isn't working |
| 23:14.48 | Achylles | I have logoff the session and tried 2 other users and get the message: "Oh no something is wrong". I am in gnomefallback, because cannot access gnome. |
| 23:15.14 | Achylles | How do I go back to gnome2? |
| 23:16.00 | Achylles | I have had lots of problems with this gnome2/shell |
| 23:16.11 | Achylles | I mean gnome3 |
| 23:16.18 | Diopter | jonathan1104: Iptables doesn't work that way. What are you trying to do? |
| 23:16.49 | abrotman | Achylles: are you sure all of gnome3 is installed? have you tried as a new user? I'm using gnome3 currently, works fine |
| 23:16.51 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: start it as a daemon |
| 23:17.00 | jonathan1104 | and have it start at boot |
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| 23:17.19 | Diopter | jonathan1104: It's not a daemon. Doesn't work that way. |
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| 23:17.27 | Diopter | jonathan1104: What are you trying to DO with iptables? |
| 23:17.45 | Achylles | abrotman, yes. It is. It happened after a normal packages system upgrade |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | Achylles: did you try as a new user? |
| 23:18.06 | Achylles | yes |
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| 23:18.26 | abrotman | Achylles: which version of Debian ? |
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| 23:18.50 | Achylles | abrotman, I have 3 users in this machine and tried with the 3 of them |
| 23:19.04 | abrotman | Achylles: NEW user |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | not a different user |
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| 23:19.17 | Achylles | abrotman, > wheezy+sid |
| 23:19.36 | abrotman | well, that might be part of your problem |
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| 23:22.58 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: start it up now and then have it startup at boot time |
| 23:23.09 | Achylles | abrotman, Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l |
| 23:24.07 | abrotman | Achylles: pastebin your sources.list and the output of `aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade' .. thanks |
| 23:24.16 | Diopter | jonathan1104: Iptables isn't a daemon. It doesn't work that way. I've said that repeatedly. What. Are. You. Trying. To. Do. With. Iptables? |
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| 23:25.40 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: I'm trying to start it so it runs and does its job and I want it to do that everytime at boot |
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| 23:26.03 | Diopter | jonathan1104: What job? I'm not sure you know what iptables is or does :P |
| 23:26.13 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: it's a firewall |
| 23:26.22 | abrotman | jonathan1104: please paste your init script in a pastebin |
| 23:26.50 | Diopter | jonathan1104: You can firewall with it, that's one thing. What do you want to do? |
| 23:27.08 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: I want it to run. I've already written the rules |
| 23:27.15 | abrotman | jonathan1104: please paste your init script in a pastebin |
| 23:27.23 | Diopter | jonathan1104: Oh! Hey, look. Something you want to do with it. That we can work with. |
| 23:27.24 | jonathan1104 | abrotman: where is it located? |
| 23:27.29 | abrotman | paste.debian.net works |
| 23:27.34 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: I've told you repeatedly |
| 23:27.41 | abrotman | your init script is in /etc/init.d/<yourscript> |
| 23:27.46 | Diopter | jonathan1104: Iptables doesn't "run", it's not a daemon. You'll need to use iptables-restore to load rules you've saved with iptables-save. |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | or maybve Diopter and jonathan1104 should /ignore each other |
| 23:27.58 | Diopter | jonathan1104: There's no init.d script already, so you're going to have to write your own. |
| 23:28.11 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: I've had to start it in arch linux with rc.d iptables start |
| 23:28.25 | Diopter | jonathan1104: That's because Arch wrote a script to load/save rules for you. |
| 23:28.29 | Diopter | jonathan1104: Debian doesn't have that. |
| 23:28.30 | abrotman | or maybve Diopter and jonathan1104 should /ignore each other |
| 23:28.52 | dvs | jonathan1104: or you can try http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 23:29.20 | jonathan1104 | dvs: I've looked at it |
| 23:29.29 | abrotman | waits for the paste |
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| 23:29.50 | jonathan1104 | abrotman: are you looking for /etc/init.d/iptables? |
| 23:29.52 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:30.29 | jonathan1104 | abrotman: doesn't exist |
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| 23:30.57 | abrotman | jonathan1104: so why di dyou think "/etc/init.d/iptables start" would do anything ? |
| 23:31.11 | jonathan1104 | abrotman: because I didn't know it didn't exist |
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| 23:31.30 | abrotman | jonathan1104: even though it was telling you that the file didn't exist? |
| 23:31.47 | jonathan1104 | what do I do from here? |
| 23:32.07 | abrotman | jonathan1104: you create an init script .. |
| 23:32.33 | babilen | recommends pre-up scripts for interfaces |
| 23:32.42 | babilen | jonathan1104: What do you want iptables to do? |
| 23:32.47 | abrotman | you can still put the script in /etc/init/ |
| 23:32.50 | abrotman | erm .. init.d |
| 23:33.11 | DaveNull | likes ufw :) |
| 23:33.20 | jonathan1104 | I've never written an init script for debian |
| 23:33.35 | Diopter | babilen: That's the question I asked like 14 times :) |
| 23:33.54 | babilen | Diopter: I know -- Apparently jonathan1104 doesn't know the answer as well. :) |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | jonathan1104: iptables-restore/iptables-save .. read the man pages, then come back if you still don't get it |
| 23:34.07 | Baen | lol |
| 23:34.11 | Diopter | if-pre-up.d is my preferred method as well. |
| 23:34.15 | jonathan1104 | Diopter: I told you each time I want to the thing to run |
| 23:34.25 | babilen | jonathan1104: To do what? |
| 23:34.27 | Diopter | jonathan1104: But there's no thing to run, that's just it. |
| 23:34.43 | jonathan1104 | thank you |
| 23:34.56 | Diopter | the goal of asking the question is to help you understand what iptables is, how it works, so you can make a decision about loading/saving rules, etc |
| 23:35.21 | abrotman | or ignore what i say ... |
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| 23:36.47 | jonathan1104 | next time I'll go to people more willing to help |
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| 23:36.57 | Diopter | lol |
| 23:37.12 | dvs | !next |
| 23:37.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:37.54 | Baen | :) |
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| 23:40.30 | Achylles | abrotman, here they are: http://paste.debian.net/164741/ > http://paste.debian.net/164742/ > http://paste.debian.net/164743/ |
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| 23:50.00 | k-man | any idea if you can combine 2 seperate gnu screen sessions? |
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| 23:51.15 | bkc_ | k-man: nope |
| 23:51.37 | k-man | nope you can't or nope you have no idea? |
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| 23:52.59 | k-man | doesn't matter, i just quit one of the sessions anyway |
| 23:53.03 | k-man | problem solved ;) |
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| 23:53.48 | Achylles | abrotman, Have you seen the files :) |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | Achylles: moment |
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| 23:55.56 | abrotman | Achylles: no wonder stuff is broken .. that's a mess |
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| 23:56.17 | abrotman | Achylles: make sure everything is up to odate |
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| 23:58.43 | Achylles | abrotman, yes. Everything is up-to-date, but I did not say 'yes' to the command you told me > aptitude full-upgrade |
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