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| 00:02.34 | Achylles | abrotman, And normally I only get packages from 'testing", because its pin priority is 900 and unstable is 100 |
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| 00:12.24 | abrotman | Achylles: but you have all sorts of stuff mixed in there |
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| 00:16.15 | swerve | root directory on my server shows 100% full - usually it hovers around 50% - how can I find what's taking up the space? Can't find anything out of ordinary in /var/log yet.... |
| 00:17.54 | DaveNull | swerve, /var/cache ? |
| 00:18.20 | abrotman | swerve: du -sh /* |
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| 00:18.58 | nsadmin | swerve, first, at a guess, it's your logs which are in /var...but before we actually reach that conclusion, run the du as above |
| 00:19.21 | nsadmin | pastebin the output of mount |
| 00:19.37 | nsadmin | just so we know what we're dealing with |
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| 00:20.44 | Math^ | Hey guys, what would be a good torrent client for my debian server without a GUI? |
| 00:21.00 | BeastNZ | rtorrent |
| 00:21.15 | Math^ | BeastNZ: ok ty, will try that one |
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| 00:21.43 | nsadmin | swerve, kinda nice to have you respond soon |
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| 00:24.28 | nsadmin | Math^, other clients, servers, puddings steaks and bathroom supplies at packages.debian.org |
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| 00:30.24 | koobs_ | Can I remove busybox ? |
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| 00:31.02 | vz2icarly | hi all, I need a floppy with grub on it that detects all internal/external hdd (eg usb hdd) then boots the os on the specified drive |
| 00:31.11 | koobs_ | Its Priority is optional |
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| 00:33.16 | vz2icarly | anyone got this one? |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | floppy? really? |
| 00:34.09 | abrotman | koobs_: you can, but lots of things use it |
| 00:34.15 | vz2icarly | either floppy or cd |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | vz2icarly: google "supergrub" |
| 00:34.38 | vz2icarly | cool thanks |
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| 00:39.18 | mparodi_ | Hello |
| 00:39.42 | iandalton | What arch is Core 2 Duo? |
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| 00:39.48 | mparodi_ | 64 |
| 00:39.53 | mparodi_ | (amd) |
| 00:39.56 | dvs | i386 or amd64 |
| 00:39.57 | iandalton | amd64? OK |
| 00:40.13 | iandalton | Any reason to choose i386 or amd64, when either will work? |
| 00:40.25 | dvs | iandalton: I'd pick amd64. |
| 00:40.32 | mparodi_ | I would chose amd64, I didn't know it would work with i386 as well |
| 00:40.51 | dvs | iandalton: There are a few programs that are incompatible with amd64 but that's mostly in the past. |
| 00:41.15 | iandalton | What are the advantages? |
| 00:41.36 | iandalton | It's a laptop, so, will either use less power? |
| 00:42.33 | mparodi_ | isn't it a 32-bit architecture, dvs? |
| 00:42.53 | mparodi_ | http://www.debian.org/ports/i386/ |
| 00:43.07 | dvs | mparodi_: The i386 is 32-bit |
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| 00:43.12 | mparodi_ | there's no reason to use this if your computer is a 64-bit architecture |
| 00:43.45 | mparodi_ | in fact I believe you wouldn't be able to use both cores if you don't use amd64, iandalton |
| 00:44.31 | mparodi_ | err, s/wouldn't/won't/* |
| 00:44.38 | iandalton | mparodi_: unless that's a debian-specific thing, you're wrong. I had Ubuntu on it until my HDD failed recently, and it used both cores. |
| 00:44.38 | dvs | mparodi_: Huh? You'd be able to use both cores with i386. |
| 00:44.58 | mparodi_ | really? |
| 00:45.02 | mparodi_ | I can be wrong :) |
| 00:45.31 | dvs | Anyways, given a choice between the two, I'd pick amd64 |
| 00:45.42 | mparodi_ | the point is that operations doesn't take advantage of the fact that the processor can handle 64-bit operations |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | mparodi_: but most people won't ever notice |
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| 00:46.28 | iandalton | How will my CPU being able to crunch larger numbers affect me? |
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| 00:46.32 | abrotman | mparodi_: and yes, you can use both(all) cores with i386, i do so now |
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| 00:46.42 | iandalton | I'm concerned about power usage and broken apps. |
| 00:46.42 | mparodi_ | why you don't use amd64? |
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| 00:46.44 | abrotman | iandalton: do you have large databases? encode videos ? |
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| 00:46.53 | abrotman | mparodi_: because i don't have any reason to |
| 00:47.01 | iandalton | No, but I might encode video in the future. Will 64-bit improve that? |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | mparodi_: but when this box was installed, there were reasons not to |
| 00:47.06 | dvs | iandalton: If you have more than 4GB, definitely use amd64 |
| 00:47.11 | iandalton | 2GB |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | iandalton: by .14252342% |
| 00:47.41 | iandalton | So, a noticable amount :P |
| 00:47.46 | koobs_ | abrotman: are you aware of what will break? |
| 00:47.53 | iandalton | A noticable and very precise amount :D |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | koobs_: in what with what? |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | iandalton: that was sarcasm .. |
| 00:48.06 | koobs_ | abrotman: removal of busybox |
| 00:48.08 | iandalton | I know |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | koobs_: aptitude why busybox |
| 00:48.23 | iandalton | I picked it up and ran with it |
| 00:48.28 | koobs_ | abrotman: i mean, theres debianutils coreutils bsdmainutils and sensibleutils |
| 00:49.04 | abrotman | koobs_: coreutils sounds important? |
| 00:49.04 | koobs_ | abrotman: its a "recommends" for initramfs-tools |
| 00:49.16 | koobs_ | abrotman: ; yes, core is, im just saying, theres many *utils |
| 00:49.17 | abrotman | koobs_: i'm going to *strongly* suggest you don't remove it |
| 00:49.31 | koobs_ | and busybox seems alot less required |
| 00:49.44 | koobs_ | abrotman: ; based on the fact the string 'initramfs' is in that? |
| 00:50.03 | mparodi_ | abrotman, are you completely sure that there's no performance issue? the theory says there is, maybe it's pretty small tough |
| 00:50.11 | koobs_ | interesting, seems Priority: optional and Recommends mean more than they seem then. |
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| 00:50.37 | abrotman | mparodi_: it's small, and most people won't notice |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | mparodi_: but in terms of being able to address > 4GB and use tons of cores, i386 can also do that |
| 00:51.32 | koobs_ | abrotman: also, its a recommends for initramfs-"tools", not initramfs |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | koobs_: do what you want .. i'm telling you it's probably a bad idea |
| 00:51.47 | mparodi_ | your're probably executing more than one operation to achieve the same with one in amd64 |
| 00:52.24 | mparodi_ | particularly while working with numbers and extreme precision |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | mparodi_: that may be so .. but how many ops does your cpu do per second? |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | mparodi_: which i'm not doing on this box .. |
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| 00:52.53 | mparodi_ | alright, I can understand that :P |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | i need this machine to work .. i said, when i installed it, there were reasons to not use amd64 .. some of them still exist |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | what good is performance gain .. when it doesn't perform ? |
| 00:53.56 | iandalton | What's the best way to install Testing? Is there a Live install version, or can I only use netinst? |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | iandalton: generally, install squeeze, go from there |
| 00:54.27 | iandalton | OK |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | the current testing netinst may or may not work depending on which way the wind blows |
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| 00:55.47 | mparodi_ | by the way, do you know any application/way to see why I have 12GB used in the / partition? I guess I have many applications I don't use anymore but I don't know how many MBs they're using |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | mparodi_: du -sh /* |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | !tell mparodi_ about sort by size |
| 00:56.40 | boudiccas_ | can anyone help me please with a problem with xchat on squeeze? i am getting timed out when i'm trying to identd. am i missing a program that will help me identify on the network please? |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | boudiccas_: identd or /msg nickserv identify? |
| 00:57.19 | mparodi_ | 7GB /usr o.o |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | sounds normal |
| 00:57.39 | boudiccas_ | abrotman: i tried apt-get install identd but it couldnt find it |
| 00:57.40 | mparodi_ | 3 /var |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | boudiccas_: what does that have to do with identifying to nickserv? |
| 00:58.19 | boudiccas_ | abrotman: because it is being identified its waiting for it an d eventually times out |
| 00:58.35 | abrotman | boudiccas_: what does identd have to do with identifying to nickserv? |
| 00:58.37 | boudiccas_ | so i dont get on the network at all |
| 00:58.44 | koobs_ | abrotman: im just interesting in the rationale behind the strong recommendations |
| 00:58.47 | koobs_ | interested* |
| 00:58.50 | koobs_ | -s |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | koobs_: aptitude why busybox should have clued you in |
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| 01:00.48 | boudiccas_ | abrotman: its only happened since i went online with tor, and now i've closed it i cant get back online. i've tried renaming the xchat 2 folder but it hasnt made any difference |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | boudiccas_: i odn't use identd, never had a problem |
| 01:01.39 | koobs_ | abrotman: what did i miss? it listed initramfs-tools "Recommends" busybox |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | koobs_: okay, do what you want .. remove it .. we can't stop you |
| 01:02.22 | koobs_ | im not understanding the antoganism, im just trying to understand the rationale, not go against the recomendation |
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| 01:03.09 | koobs_ | have you had a tough day? :) |
| 01:03.18 | abrotman | koobs_: it's a very useful tool, for many reasons .. |
| 01:03.39 | koobs_ | abrotman: and in that sense of useful, you mean not required, but handy? |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | i told you, you can remove it .. go for it |
| 01:04.06 | koobs_ | are you aware of any specific things that will break without it ? |
| 01:04.16 | abrotman | depends on your system |
| 01:04.32 | cantido | koobs_: you won't drop into the rescue shell if the initramfs can't mount root I think. |
| 01:04.50 | koobs_ | cantido: ah, and mount comes with busybox is what youre saying? |
| 01:05.00 | koobs_ | or that without root, the busybox utils are still available? |
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| 01:05.25 | koobs_ | how do i show what binaries come with initramfs-tools? |
| 01:05.36 | cantido | koobs_: no, I'm saying if the initramfs can't mount root you won't have busybox to act as a rescue shell |
| 01:05.58 | koobs_ | cantido: ah, so busybox provides that shell env, gotcha |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | mount the root filesystem .. / |
| 01:06.10 | cantido | unless the rescue shell uses dash .. |
| 01:06.12 | abrotman | koobs_: do you understand what busybox is ? |
| 01:06.18 | koobs_ | isnt busybox installed on / ? |
| 01:06.19 | cantido | hasnt looked at it in ages |
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| 01:06.26 | koobs_ | abrotman: thats exactly what im asking :) |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | koobs_: apt-cache show busybox |
| 01:06.41 | koobs_ | its a set of builtin utils for small and embedded systems, single executable |
| 01:07.09 | abrotman | try reading to yourself :) |
| 01:07.09 | koobs_ | installs the busybox binary, but not symlinks for the the supported utils |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | or not |
| 01:07.38 | cantido | busybox is like 900k.. what's the problem here? |
| 01:07.39 | koobs_ | im not sure what youre saying im missing. |
| 01:08.00 | koobs_ | thats a seperate argument :) |
| 01:08.13 | abrotman | you could answer him ... |
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| 01:08.37 | cantido | it's tiny and useful. Worth having installed. |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | i've rescued systems just using busybox |
| 01:09.12 | koobs_ | theres no problem, the question is not about whether its worth removing it, its about the discrepency of a Recommends dependency, and a Priority: optional listing, that dont seem to mean what they do |
| 01:09.24 | cantido | a static busybox binary is more useful than a dynamic one though |
| 01:09.31 | koobs_ | unless im wrong, in which case the package dependencies need updating |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | it is optional .. you don't need it .. it's just very useful .. |
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| 01:09.42 | abrotman | koobs_: the question is, why do you want to remove it? |
| 01:09.45 | koobs_ | i appreciate the time gentleman |
| 01:09.50 | cantido | koobs_: are you going through every package trying to find stuff to remove? |
| 01:10.03 | cantido | for "security" or something? |
| 01:10.12 | koobs_ | cant; everypackage no, understanding the function and necessaity of software installed on a system is something every engineer should be doing |
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| 01:10.30 | abrotman | koobs_: so read the description, google a bit .. busybox is well-known |
| 01:10.34 | koobs_ | cantido: suffice it to say, irrespective of whether i can, should or will remove it, id like to first understand |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox .. more info! |
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| 01:11.03 | koobs_ | how it applied to debian (in the recue shell case) is what im interested in |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | that's only one use |
| 01:11.18 | cantido | koobs_: busybox is a shell + lots of standard unix utils in one binary.. i.e. if you totally screw your system busybox should still work and will provide you with enough features to get things working again |
| 01:11.23 | koobs_ | are there any other points in a debian system where it is or can be integrated? |
| 01:11.36 | koobs_ | cantido: is it configured to work as a recue shell by default? |
| 01:11.41 | koobs_ | rescue* |
| 01:12.03 | cantido | koobs_: I can't remember what is in the initramfs.. but I have a feeling busybox is copied into the initramfs for the rescue shell |
| 01:12.09 | cantido | that could have changed |
| 01:12.10 | koobs_ | cantido: so in particular, it would be better for me to install busybox-static yes? |
| 01:12.25 | koobs_ | for the case of a great rescue shell |
| 01:12.55 | cantido | uses busybox to control a FET that cuts power to the CF card with / on it before the kernel tries to mount it :) |
| 01:13.03 | koobs_ | :] |
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| 01:13.36 | koobs_ | ah, i can see gentoos drops one to a busybox shell in recuse_shell method in initramfs/init |
| 01:13.42 | koobs_ | mmm. |
| 01:13.54 | koobs_ | where does debians initramfs init'y thing live? |
| 01:14.08 | koobs_ | cantido: again, appreciate your time |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | thingy? |
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| 01:14.23 | koobs_ | abrotman: slang. |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | sounds like a term an engineer would use :) |
| 01:14.29 | koobs_ | abrotman: now now :) |
| 01:14.40 | cantido | initramfs-tools suggests busybox .. :) |
| 01:14.40 | abrotman | it's just under the thingamabob |
| 01:14.42 | koobs_ | abrotman: file is such a boring term. |
| 01:14.52 | koobs_ | oh yeh, in what "folder"? :) |
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| 01:15.05 | cantido | does unix have folders? |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | directory? |
| 01:15.16 | koobs_ | abrotman: thats why i put it in quotes :) |
| 01:15.38 | abrotman | just open My Computer .. use a magnet to arrange the bits |
| 01:15.44 | koobs_ | swoit, will do. |
| 01:17.35 | cantido | koobs_: if you want a fun engineering task.. build yourself a complete working system (kernel + rootfs with busybox) in a single file :) |
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| 01:17.52 | koobs_ | epic. |
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| 01:20.46 | mike097 | can some one help me with mounting my secondary hdd please? |
| 01:20.58 | mike097 | you see fdisk only detects my primary hdd |
| 01:21.24 | mike097 | i'm not sure why |
| 01:21.38 | boudiccas_ | mike097: does your bios see the second h/d ? |
| 01:22.06 | mike097 | yes, (and it works in windows) |
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| 01:23.11 | abrotman | mike097: does 'dmesg' see the other HDD? |
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| 01:24.37 | mike097 | in the long list that that command results in, no I don't see it there |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | that doesn't sound good |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | mike097: have you parititioned the drive yet? |
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| 01:25.44 | mike097 | yes, NTFS, it has a ton of stuff on it |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | mike097: what is 'uname -a' ? |
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| 01:26.44 | mike097 | Linux tasha 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 22 17:26:33 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:26.57 | abrotman | mike097: and 'cat /proc/partitions' .. shows your drive? |
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| 01:28.31 | mike097 | uh.. yes I do believe it's there |
| 01:29.01 | boudiccas | mike097: you 'believe', sounds like you don't know for sure |
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| 01:29.40 | abrotman | mike097: it's your data .. don't bve wrong |
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| 01:30.14 | mike097 | when I installed debian the partitions on my primary hdd were 1, 2, 5, 6 |
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| 01:30.54 | mike097 | sda1 sda2 sda5 sda6 are in 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 01:31.20 | mike097 | and there's sdc listed |
| 01:31.40 | mike097 | so I assume that's my windows partition and other HDD |
| 01:33.11 | mike097 | (on my primary I have a windows partition that I also can't access in debian) |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | did you install ntfs-3g? |
| 01:34.26 | mike097 | no |
| 01:34.35 | mike097 | should I? |
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| 01:37.25 | mike097 | okay, ntfs-3g is installed (I didn't do it manually though) |
| 01:37.30 | JyZyXEL | when trying to compile the example files from libftdi-dev i get stuff like serial_read.c:(.text+0x13c): undefined reference to `ftdi_init' |
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| 01:37.50 | JyZyXEL | i was using: gcc -o serial_read serial_read.c |
| 01:38.01 | JyZyXEL | i probably need to include the libftdi somehow? |
| 01:38.48 | boudiccas | what other irc programs are there please? i know of xchat, xchat-gnome, konversation, and irssi, are there any other please? |
| 01:39.06 | swerve | nsadmin: abrotman: apologies for late reply - got involved with something. thx 4 suggestions, checking /var/cache & more logs now |
| 01:39.13 | JyZyXEL | what was the parameter to include libs with gcc |
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| 01:39.21 | JyZyXEL | or what ever the correct term is |
| 01:39.21 | bkc_ | boudiccas: whats wrong with the ones you listed? |
| 01:39.24 | JyZyXEL | to make it aware |
| 01:39.26 | JyZyXEL | of librarys |
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| 01:40.12 | boudiccas | bkc_: i'm currently using konversation and don't like the display, its too small in the fonts, and i cant access the irc servers with xchat or a=xchat-gnome |
| 01:40.17 | mike097 | ircII, epic4 and KVIrc |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | boudiccas: you're doing sometihng wrong |
| 01:40.28 | JyZyXEL | was -l |
| 01:40.33 | JyZyXEL | and library name? |
| 01:40.42 | JyZyXEL | in any case -lftdi |
| 01:40.59 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should file a bugreport that their missing the Makefile lol |
| 01:41.15 | cantido | JyZyXEL: are you sure they don't use pkgconfig.. |
| 01:41.26 | JyZyXEL | whats that? |
| 01:41.36 | JyZyXEL | im talking about /usr/share/doc/libftdi-dev/examples |
| 01:41.42 | JyZyXEL | theres bunch of .c examples |
| 01:41.45 | JyZyXEL | and no Makefile |
| 01:41.49 | cantido | JyZyXEL: It generates the right cflags for includes |
| 01:41.59 | bkc_ | boudiccas: in what way can't you access the server from xchat? works for me :) |
| 01:42.05 | JyZyXEL | ok how might they be using that? |
| 01:42.10 | cantido | JyZyXEL: oh, well, they probably guess that if you're looking at the examples you know how to use GCC |
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| 01:42.25 | JyZyXEL | i don't know if thats reasonable |
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| 01:43.11 | cantido | sure they don't give you the right command to do the compile in the readme? |
| 01:43.12 | JyZyXEL | i don't think knowing c and using gcc are the same thing |
| 01:43.25 | JyZyXEL | well not that i noticed |
| 01:43.30 | JyZyXEL | there was a html readme |
| 01:43.32 | swerve | nsadmin: found source of prob. NFS share where I do backups didn't mount - backup got written to root / ! |
| 01:43.35 | FDFlock | the are pretty close |
| 01:43.46 | JyZyXEL | but whos gonna read a html manual come on |
| 01:43.53 | cantido | JyZyXEL: most people that do a lot of C know about linking.. |
| 01:44.12 | FDFlock | boudiccas: irssi is awesome |
| 01:44.15 | FDFlock | is a proud irssi user! |
| 01:44.28 | cantido | <3 irssi too |
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| 01:44.43 | JyZyXEL | irssi has been replaced by weechat |
| 01:44.46 | FDFlock | boudiccas: Of course, only when paired with screen and a decent terminal emultor |
| 01:44.52 | JyZyXEL | sorry to break out the news |
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| 01:45.27 | abrotman | maybe for you |
| 01:46.11 | FDFlock | JyZyXEL: seems unrelated |
| 01:46.21 | boztu | right, i've got xchat working, so now to set it up as my primary irc program |
| 01:46.26 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, who;s going to read it is who needs to, for whatever purpose they have |
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| 01:48.07 | JyZyXEL | well it didn't even have the gcc line |
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| 01:48.48 | cantido | writes libftdi in basic for JyZyXEL |
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| 01:50.22 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should make Makefile and send it as a patch |
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| 01:50.42 | cantido | you don't need a makefile for a single source file |
| 01:50.59 | JyZyXEL | explain |
| 01:51.16 | cantido | gcc -o prog -lftdi prog.c |
| 01:51.27 | JyZyXEL | i find writing "make" easier than figuring out "how to fuck do i compile this" |
| 01:51.30 | cantido | if you can't work that out in your head.. C is not for you |
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| 01:51.55 | JyZyXEL | how exactly do you know to put the -lftdi there |
| 01:52.12 | cantido | because I want to link against libftdi |
| 01:52.17 | JyZyXEL | but why |
| 01:52.23 | JyZyXEL | how do you know that has to be done |
| 01:52.32 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, that would be because he's read the man page :) |
| 01:52.34 | dvs | JyZyXEL: |That's not a default library |
| 01:52.46 | cantido | if the source is an example of using libftdi .. I guess it needs to be linked against libftdi |
| 01:53.27 | JyZyXEL | id imagine a lot of people will not know that |
| 01:53.40 | JyZyXEL | and will type: gcc -o example example.c |
| 01:53.44 | JyZyXEL | and get an error |
| 01:54.07 | cantido | pkg-config --libs libftdi will also give you what you want |
| 01:54.14 | Devastaot | damn, browsers are memory eater |
| 01:54.25 | cantido | JyZyXEL: people that have no idea maybe |
| 01:54.34 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't that be run automatically by apt? |
| 01:55.12 | cantido | JyZyXEL: apt should automatically compile examples in /usr/share/docs? |
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| 01:55.21 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 01:55.33 | JyZyXEL | or what ever that command does |
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| 01:55.41 | JyZyXEL | i imagined it would make the Makefile or something |
| 01:55.58 | cantido | pkg-config will give you any flags you need to pass to gcc.. |
| 01:56.10 | nsadmin | <JyZyXEL> and get an error <--- and by reading that error will know that symbols are missing and header files may also be missing |
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| 01:56.32 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin: and at that point typing 'make' would have been much easier |
| 01:56.41 | cantido | the compile would fail before linking if headers aren't found |
| 01:57.14 | nsadmin | cantido right, making it easier to see which lib is needed |
| 01:57.24 | JyZyXEL | just face it, Makefile makes the users life a bit easier |
| 01:57.30 | JyZyXEL | theres just no way around it |
| 01:57.44 | cantido | example source code isn't for "users" |
| 01:57.46 | JyZyXEL | its improvement even if its little |
| 01:58.04 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, so, write a makefile for your project and make your own life easier :) |
| 01:58.08 | cantido | if the binary it creates it useful it would just be in the package |
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| 01:58.23 | cantido | you shouldn't be compiling stuff in the docs directory anyhow |
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| 01:58.44 | JyZyXEL | how about i write a Makefile for someone elses project and make mine and everyone elses life a bit more easy? |
| 01:59.45 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, or howbout a configure.in and a Makefile.in |
| 01:59.52 | cantido | JyZyXEL: that stops people from working out what linking is by getting a linking error.. |
| 01:59.55 | cantido | ;) |
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| 02:00.20 | JyZyXEL | what? |
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| 02:00.44 | JyZyXEL | cantido: errors are good so people can learn from them? |
| 02:00.49 | nsadmin | what we know and what's starting to dawn on JyZyXEL is that C programmers need to know the parts of the compiler |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: did yo ujust say that after you came in here looking for help ? |
| 02:01.22 | JyZyXEL | say what |
| 02:01.25 | Devastator | this guy is not objective at all, the solution was given, the problem was explained, but he's still saying "his was is the best way".. |
| 02:02.16 | cantido | wouldn't be surprised if the command line to compile it is at the top of the file |
| 02:02.36 | Devastator | s/was/way |
| 02:02.41 | nsadmin | Devastator, I disagree... I say HERS was the bester way! |
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| 02:03.39 | Devastator | nsadmin haha good one! and maybe true?! |
| 02:03.52 | cantido | mmm maybe not. But this examples are all about 30 lines long and they don't do much except show how to do a single task with libftdi.. you'd compile them once and never use them again |
| 02:03.58 | cantido | s/this/these/ |
| 02:04.24 | Devastator | i don't know about you guys, but i use examples to get a notion of the code, then code myself |
| 02:04.55 | cantido | JyZyXEL: you should convert all of the examples to use nicer C99 loops etc too while you're at it |
| 02:04.57 | JyZyXEL | i remember using the bitbang example as is a couple years ago |
| 02:05.16 | JyZyXEL | i had the exact same what the hell moment back then |
| 02:05.29 | JyZyXEL | should've fixed it back then |
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| 02:05.49 | cantido | hell == two minutes looking at the man page or google? |
| 02:06.01 | JyZyXEL | well 30 seconds in google |
| 02:06.10 | cantido | two minutes learning something you could use over and over again |
| 02:06.21 | JyZyXEL | was like the first link to figure out you need the -lftdi |
| 02:07.15 | Devastator | maybe you don't like inline commands, but i guess it's a style thing |
| 02:07.16 | JyZyXEL | im not sure if i subscribe to this whole "lets purposely leave pitfalls for users so they can learn from it" thing |
| 02:07.49 | cantido | JyZyXEL: if that tool is useful your bug should ask for it to be compiled somewhere so that it can be installed.. |
| 02:08.16 | cantido | not for requesting a makefile for trivial commandline arguments |
| 02:08.30 | JyZyXEL | i wasn't gonna request but patch |
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| 02:08.57 | passstab | where is my bashrc file? |
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| 02:09.00 | JyZyXEL | and probably still will, and eventually its gonna be installed on your box, so HA |
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| 02:10.02 | cantido | JyZyXEL: you already have at least one line in your running kernel from me |
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| 02:11.04 | JyZyXEL | touche |
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| 02:12.57 | cantido | I'm surprised there isn't a util for controlling the bitbanging anyhow |
| 02:13.05 | cantido | maybe it's too slow to be worth while |
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| 02:13.53 | Flynsarmy | Any ideas why my /tmp directory is full when i'm only using 34% of my drive according to df? http://dpaste.com/736534/ was getting "cp: writing `/tmp/pear/temp/bbcode/build/libtool.m4': No space left on device" |
| 02:14.08 | offnod | i am trying to load this page: http://www.chegg.com/homework-help/essential-calculus-1st-edition-chapter-13.7-problem-19e-solution-9780495014423 in chrome, however it does not display anythinside the main box, is there a library i'm missing? |
| 02:14.12 | cantido | Flynsarmy: does mount say that /tmp is a tmpfs? |
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| 02:14.55 | Diopter | offnod: It's using Flash. Looks like you're missing it. |
| 02:15.10 | Flynsarmy | cantido: overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777) |
| 02:15.27 | cantido | yeah, works fine here in chromium |
| 02:15.28 | passstab | i am trying to edit my .bashrc file but it's not in ~/ |
| 02:16.00 | cantido | Flynsarmy: what is the overflow bit about? |
| 02:16.31 | Flynsarmy | cantido: unknown. it's an amazon ec2 debian squeeze if that helps. 5GB ebs root. i'm not much of a sysadmin so i have no clue what i'm doing :) |
| 02:16.53 | Achylles | abrotman, So, how do I fix my sources.list and the system itself? |
| 02:16.58 | cantido | Flynsarmy: anyhow, if it's a tmpfs it isn't on disk .. unless tmpfs has changed |
| 02:17.09 | cantido | Flynsarmy: size= is the max size in ram IIRC |
| 02:17.19 | Diopter | Yes. |
| 02:17.27 | Diopter | And tmpfs is a RAMdisk, still. |
| 02:18.02 | Achylles | abrotman, commenting SID? Updating and downgrading? |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | Achylles: i'd probably comment out everything that isn't 'wheezy' and get back in line with that |
| 02:18.39 | Flynsarmy | cantido: do you happen to know how i can resize it? |
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| 02:19.03 | cantido | Flynsarmy: you'll need to work out what is taking up space in /tmp and clean it out, it looks like you're compiling something.. you should be able to tell it not to use /tmp |
| 02:19.25 | Flynsarmy | cantido: yea i did a pecl install bbcode |
| 02:19.50 | cantido | still remembers loki games unpacking 2gb or so of crap to /tmp before copying it to the install path, doh |
| 02:20.01 | Achylles | abrotman, even 'stable security'? |
| 02:20.24 | Flynsarmy | is the 1048576 size 1MB or 1GB? |
| 02:21.08 | somiaj | a bit less than 1gb |
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| 02:21.20 | somiaj | sorry mb |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | Achylles: how doyou think that applies to running testing an dunstable ? |
| 02:21.24 | cantido | Flynsarmy: it's in bytes according to the kernel docs |
| 02:21.41 | somiaj | Flynsarmy: byte, kb, mb, gb, tb, ... |
| 02:21.44 | Flynsarmy | a 1MB /tmp directory doesn't sound too useful |
| 02:22.37 | cantido | Flynsarmy: what does df say the size is? |
| 02:23.11 | Flynsarmy | cantido: in my first message: http://dpaste.com/736534/ |
| 02:24.10 | cantido | mmm so it is a meg? |
| 02:24.16 | dvs | Flynsarmy: 1K-blocks... hm... |
| 02:24.24 | Flynsarmy | it would seem that way :( would be great if i could resize it |
| 02:24.41 | cantido | Flynsarmy: maybe amazon don't want you using ram as disk space heh |
| 02:25.04 | Flynsarmy | is it possible to move it onto /dev/xvda1 |
| 02:25.16 | cantido | has no idea when /tmp gets mounted |
| 02:25.39 | cantido | There is a config option to turn off the tmpfs for /tmp thing though.. I just don't remember where |
| 02:26.31 | nvz | Flynsarmy: umount /tmp |
| 02:26.32 | Diopter | Uh, if you just comment the entry from fstab, it'll use the /tmp mountpoint already on / |
| 02:26.46 | Diopter | I would recommend against umount'ing /tmp on a running system unless you're in single user mode |
| 02:26.51 | Diopter | Just comment fstab and reboot |
| 02:26.51 | nvz | as I understand it, "overflow" is only used when a fs is full.. and that doesnt seem to be the case |
| 02:27.00 | cantido | Diopter: I don't have anything in my fstab for /tmp |
| 02:27.16 | Flynsarmy | nvz: yea the 1GB hdd filled up before so i upgraded it to 5 |
| 02:27.19 | nvz | its being mounted by overflow |
| 02:27.30 | Flynsarmy | my fstab looks like this http://dpaste.com/736536/ |
| 02:27.31 | nvz | hence why it says overflow |
| 02:27.48 | OU818 | slick you used that to fix/wc? |
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| 02:27.55 | nvz | but it shows plenty of space on / so unmounting it puts /tmp on / |
| 02:28.20 | Flynsarmy | nvz: will i need to type unmount /tmp each boot? |
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| 02:28.38 | Diopter | cantido: /etc/default/rcS has the defaults |
| 02:28.44 | cantido | is this an amazon specific thing? |
| 02:28.47 | Diopter | RAMTMP=yes, in particular |
| 02:29.01 | cantido | Diopter: yeah, I knew there was something like that :) |
| 02:29.18 | nvz | Flynsarmy: as I understand it this has happened due to lack of space on a device, it should not be happening reoccuringly |
| 02:29.38 | Flynsarmy | nvz: so a reboot would fix it you reckon? |
| 02:29.42 | Flynsarmy | now that i have hdd space |
| 02:30.08 | nvz | Flynsarmy: should, yes.. overflow indicates use of an emergency ramdisk as I understand it |
| 02:30.18 | nvz | I've actually never seen that before |
| 02:30.20 | Achylles | abrotman, thx > tomorrow I will biuld another solely wheezy sources.list |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 02:30.38 | cantido | nvz: is that a debian feature? |
| 02:30.48 | nvz | nor have I ever seen /dev/xvda1 |
| 02:31.27 | nvz | cantido: I honestly don't know what it is.. I'm mostly just guessing with some preliminary googling |
| 02:31.52 | cantido | nvz: ah ok :) |
| 02:32.05 | cantido | I've never seen anything like that before |
| 02:32.10 | nvz | I'm a bit curious but being that its "overflow" and would return TONS of results from stackoverflow.com and about overflow vulernabilities.. its kinda hard to look it up |
| 02:32.23 | nvz | I'm not sure where in the kernel manual that would be |
| 02:32.29 | Flynsarmy | nvz: great work. the reboot fixed it :) thanks |
| 02:32.36 | nvz | Flynsarmy: not a problem |
| 02:34.17 | nvz | I've read at least the 2.4 version of the Understanding The Linux Kernel, and the a good bit of the kernel documentation, passed the linux+ cert and been using linux and hanging here for about 12 years and this is the first I've heard of "overflow" so idk.. heh |
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| 02:35.39 | nvz | Though I also don't do anything where I'm not directly filling up my drive myself and I respond quickly to low space issues so.. I've never put any of my machines into such a state |
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| 02:36.18 | notze_ | i started via ssh a copy process of 700GB |
| 02:36.24 | notze_ | now my ssh session died |
| 02:36.28 | notze_ | will it finish or not? |
| 02:36.40 | notze_ | broken pipe |
| 02:36.47 | simonlnu | use screen, tmux, or similar next time |
| 02:37.33 | notze_ | okay |
| 02:37.38 | notze_ | what happens this time=ß |
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| 02:38.14 | simonlnu | it's dead, jim |
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| 02:38.35 | notze_ | but its still copying |
| 02:38.36 | iandalton | How much space of 640GB should I give to /, assuming the rest goes to /home? |
| 02:38.38 | notze_ | i reconnected |
| 02:38.45 | iandalton | And should I use a swap partition or file? |
| 02:39.18 | notze_ | fuck now it ended |
| 02:39.23 | nvz | notze_: resume with rsync |
| 02:39.43 | nvz | notze_: rsync works over ssh and checksums to figure out whats missing |
| 02:40.02 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, You should always use a swap partition |
| 02:40.28 | flaggy_ | iandalton: my / has 14GB (12GB used), I find it a bit too short, but I have a lot of useless things installed and whenever I need a bit more I can always find stuff to delete. |
| 02:40.36 | nvz | notze_: its a good habit to get used to using rsync even when doing large operations locally because it can be stopped and resumed |
| 02:40.49 | dvs | iandalton: 50GB is resonable for /, and yes, use a swap partition |
| 02:41.09 | nevyn | 50gb is overkill for /? |
| 02:41.12 | nvz | dvs: really? |
| 02:41.16 | iandalton | Ctrl-Alt-Del: why's that? I have had trouble w/ swap partitions before. When I increased my RAM, I could no longer hibernate, on my old system, because I couldn't increase the swap. |
| 02:41.17 | nvz | yeah thats what I was thinking |
| 02:41.35 | nevyn | 20-30 for a desktop seems reasonable to me. assuming a seperate /home |
| 02:41.37 | nvz | a standard install probably uses 4-6gb at best with a full desktop KDE/GNOME |
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| 02:41.57 | nevyn | do not seperate /usr it's a badmove |
| 02:42.02 | dvs | nevyn: Until the /var/cache directory overflows from an upgrade. |
| 02:42.19 | iandalton | I had 20GB for / on my old 120GB system |
| 02:42.39 | iandalton | I maxed it out a couple times, so I'm definitely going for larger |
| 02:42.55 | iandalton | That was because of games |
| 02:43.48 | dvs | is currently using 100GB on / for his laptop |
| 02:44.09 | nvz | I feel like my swap is wasted space on my desktop/laptops its rarely if ever used |
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| 02:44.16 | nevyn | use tmpfs |
| 02:44.28 | nevyn | and suspend2disk ftw |
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| 02:44.47 | iandalton | Is Ext3 the recommended FS? That's what the installer defaults to, though I notice there's a Ext4 option. (Last time I installed a system, there was no Ext4 so I don't know why it would or wouldn't be recommended.) |
| 02:44.48 | flaggy_ | if I was starting fresh I'd have two partitions: swap and / |
| 02:44.49 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, hibernate and swap partition has no direct relationship as far as I know, must have been another reason |
| 02:44.53 | nvz | I only have a 2gb partiton but still.. with all the times I fill up my drive that extra 2gb feels like it'd be better used elsewhere |
| 02:45.08 | iandalton | Ctrl-Alt-Del: hibernating writes RAM contents to swap, AFAIK |
| 02:45.14 | dvs | iandalton: I'd use ext3 because it's so well supported |
| 02:45.25 | flaggy_ | separating /home is useless |
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| 02:45.51 | dvs | flaggy_: I guess you've never had to reinstall |
| 02:46.00 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, sure about that? I do not believe |
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| 02:46.16 | flaggy_ | I thought it would be good for reinstalls, but I really never needed them |
| 02:46.41 | iandalton | flaggy_: why choose / over / + /home? |
| 02:46.48 | nvz | Ctrl-Alt-Del: traditionally, yes the linux kernel requires a swap partition to hibernate, without one it wont do it. There are newer methods that can be done without swap |
| 02:47.35 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, anyway, the swap partition is very important in the system and has several functions must be created. |
| 02:48.08 | flaggy_ | unless you're running sid or trying out multiple linux distributions all the time, having it all together has the advantage of not wasting any space |
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| 02:49.16 | flaggy_ | I actually have more partitions than / and /home, so, perhaps, if I had only the two I wouldn't be too unhappy about it. But as things are, I wish I had everything in one big partition |
| 02:49.35 | iandalton | Ctrl-Alt-Del: no, there's also the option of a swap file |
| 02:50.26 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, true |
| 02:50.31 | iandalton | nevyn: is suspend2disk the same as suspend2 (which is the same as tuxonice)? |
| 02:50.39 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, but i don like |
| 02:50.50 | nvz | swap files have their advantages and disadvantages |
| 02:51.02 | nevyn | iandalton: yeah |
| 02:51.23 | nevyn | there's also the crackerific bios platform supported stuff |
| 02:51.25 | iandalton | Ctrl-Alt-Del: why not? |
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| 02:53.14 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | iandalton, I do not know very well how it works, and the traditional swap is sufciente to me |
| 02:54.13 | iandalton | Ctrl-Alt-Del: I don't know the low-level details of either swap partition or swap file, but neither seems like it should be more abstruse than the other. |
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| 02:56.21 | nvz | Ctrl-Alt-Del: in short dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=1048576 && mkswap /swapfile && swapon /swapfile and optionally echo "/swapfile swap swap defaults 0 0" >> /etc/fstab its fairly easy |
| 02:56.50 | nvz | Ctrl-Alt-Del: it has the advantage of being able to very easily add and remove swap space |
| 02:57.13 | nvz | its main disadvantages are all realated to being held within a filesystem |
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| 02:57.22 | flaggy_ | I never used swap in a file, but I have the suspicion it could make matters trickier for hibernating on disk |
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| 02:58.12 | nevyn | nvz: you traverse another indirection level of the filesystem itself. |
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| 02:58.26 | nevyn | splits the difference and puts swap in an lv |
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| 02:58.41 | nevyn | it's still changeable without being inside a filesystem |
| 02:58.42 | nvz | heh, yeah thats one way to do it |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | puts swap on a ramdisk |
| 02:58.49 | nvz | haha |
| 02:58.53 | nevyn | heh |
| 02:58.56 | nvz | seriously? |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | no, kidding .. |
| 02:59.09 | iandalton | not sure if trolling or ignant |
| 02:59.12 | nevyn | compressed ramdisk swap could be interesting. |
| 02:59.29 | nevyn | if your workload is primarily I/O and memory intensive rather than CPU |
| 02:59.38 | nvz | nevyn: thats one way it wouldnt be totally pointless I guess |
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| 03:00.10 | nvz | still falls along the lines of counter intuitive |
| 03:00.14 | nevyn | but it depends on your workload and we're out in reasonably essoteric solutions |
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| 03:01.14 | nvz | idk I now have 3gb of ram, it shows up as 2.8 cause I guess the video card uses some, and I have 2.1gb swap.. and I rarely if ever use it and I dont think I've ever used more than 100-200mb of it |
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| 03:01.50 | nvz | I'd just feel real stupid if I crashed my system in the middle of something important for not having swap |
| 03:02.09 | cantido | I have 8GB and I have stuff in swap :( |
| 03:02.15 | iandalton | I probably need swap more than other ppl because I only have 2GB RAM in my laptop |
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| 03:02.44 | Diopter | I feel like I'm cheating. I have 20GB in this laptop now :x |
| 03:03.09 | nvz | Diopter: wow 20gb of ram? |
| 03:03.22 | flaggy_ | I put my swap in drum memory |
| 03:03.25 | Diopter | Yeah. 2x8 and 1x4. heh heh |
| 03:03.36 | Diopter | ThinkPad W520, has a lot of RAM channels kicking around inside |
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| 03:03.49 | nvz | flaggy_: I put mine on punch cards |
| 03:03.53 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:04.21 | cantido | has swap in punch cards over NFS via TCP/IP over avian carrier |
| 03:04.41 | nvz | yeah I'm a big fan of tcp/carrier-pigeon |
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| 03:04.49 | flaggy_ | hehe they told me swap was supposed to be slow |
| 03:05.01 | Diopter | nvz, flaggy_: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 03:05.21 | dvs | wonders how fast swap is with an SSD |
| 03:05.26 | cantido | I have done swap over NFS.. that isn't fun |
| 03:05.49 | un214 | I can imagine worse |
| 03:05.57 | un214 | what do you think swap over sshfs-fuse does? |
| 03:06.15 | nvz | Diopter: yeah I always liked that one.. good ol' C-x M-c M-Butterfly |
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| 03:06.37 | nvz | Diopter: that website should startup a service selling those things pressed onto t-shirts |
| 03:06.40 | cantido | un214: swap on the gmail fs would be good ;) |
| 03:06.57 | Diopter | nvz: I totally have 3 shirts from them already! |
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| 03:07.01 | un214 | how about potential deadlock as swap would then activate user filesystem |
| 03:07.15 | un214 | but it might be trying to swap it out |
| 03:07.23 | flaggy_ | yeah, swap on gmail fs is great. Now google can have access to your ram (or at least part of it) :P |
| 03:07.27 | un214 | (or worse--block only touched on page-in) |
| 03:07.35 | flaggy_ | one day google will come up with swap in the clouds |
| 03:07.50 | Diopter | CloudSwap, now with Cloud Bursting! |
| 03:07.59 | Bronze | wow- Apollo computer only did that in 1986. |
| 03:08.12 | nvz | Diopter: yeah but it'd be nice to just be looking at any one of them and buy it on a t-shirt.. I was just looking at the one that says /Everyone Stand Back/ I know regular expressions. heh |
| 03:08.27 | cantido | Bronze: I doubt Apollo had an MMU.. |
| 03:08.27 | cwillu | apt-get is basically a fancy page-cache |
| 03:08.35 | Diopter | heheh |
| 03:08.39 | cwillu | pulling the needed pages from the great cache of the sky |
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| 03:08.58 | cwillu | pulls nethack-qt from the deep |
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| 03:09.32 | Bronze | cantido: if you mean memory management Unit, yes, they did. and they could move any process image between any two cpus anywhere on their network, which ran thru four states at that time. |
| 03:10.01 | Bronze | cantido: they could assign ram from any machine to be used on any other machine in thge network as well. |
| 03:10.14 | cantido | Bronze: interesting |
| 03:10.26 | nvz | sounds a lot like openmosix |
| 03:10.35 | Bronze | HP bought them out and quickly dumped all that stuff because it wasn't UNIX. |
| 03:10.35 | iandalton | Is this the Apollo Guidance Computer we're talking about, or some other Apollo? |
| 03:10.53 | Bronze | iandalton: Apollo computer YAWS company |
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| 03:10.59 | nvz | I had an HP Apollo workstation at one point back in the day.. had no clue how to use it |
| 03:11.04 | Bronze | (Yet Another Workstation System) |
| 03:11.32 | nvz | the monitor was like 150lbs and had RGB connectors connecting it to the computer IIRC.. |
| 03:11.33 | iandalton | OK, I'm too young to have experience with such systems, heh |
| 03:11.55 | iandalton | Although I did have a 95lb 21" monitor w/ RGB connectors |
| 03:11.56 | nvz | I started X and ran xeyes, thats about as far as I got with it |
| 03:11.57 | cantido | wonders what the oldest system you could run squeeze on is |
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| 03:12.31 | Bronze | iandalton: mid-1980's (UNIX Wars era) Apollo was much more innovative than SUN, but Apollo was less "UNIXey" which is where the industry was headed at the time. |
| 03:12.36 | nvz | cantido: probably the 486DX or Pentium Overdrive |
| 03:12.38 | iandalton | and now, I have to go watch In Time. thanks for the advice, Debian rock! |
| 03:12.38 | dvs | cantido: Logically it's a 486. |
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| 03:12.42 | iandalton | rocks* |
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| 03:12.51 | cantido | dvs: must be older non-x86 systems |
| 03:13.09 | dvs | oh? Not restricted to Intel? |
| 03:13.20 | Bronze | dvs: or a Motorola 68020 (had an mmu iirc) |
| 03:13.27 | cantido | dvs: oldest machine that is either in debian or debian-ports |
| 03:13.30 | cantido | Bronze: not internal |
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| 03:13.56 | Bronze | cantido: but available. |
| 03:14.00 | lru | I'm getting 404's when I'm trying to do an apt-get update on sid |
| 03:14.04 | cantido | I'm not sure if linux works with an external mmu either (doesn't remember the part number) |
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| 03:14.34 | cantido | Bronze: I have the pre-68000 launch advance information books on my desk right now :) |
| 03:14.45 | cantido | older than me :) |
| 03:15.00 | dvs | is guessing it's an S/390 of some sort |
| 03:15.14 | Bronze | cantido: aw rats, I thought I had run into a fellow Motorola afficianado... :-( |
| 03:15.38 | cantido | loves m68k |
| 03:15.54 | Bronze | mee too. :-) |
| 03:16.22 | cantido | I want a machine to run debian/m68k on .. but I can't bring myself to buy an Apple machine |
| 03:16.26 | dvs | '040 is better! |
| 03:16.35 | cantido | dvs: 040 gets crazy hot |
| 03:16.43 | cantido | like melt your skin off hot |
| 03:16.49 | Bronze | (MC68851 PMMU ) was the mmu for the 68020, You would have to code the memory management to use some specific memory addresses to manipulate that chip, I think, but it would have worked. |
| 03:17.24 | cantido | Bronze: I tried to track some of those down, they're pretty rare now |
| 03:17.47 | lru | I still get 404's when doing an apt-get update on sid :-) |
| 03:17.55 | cantido | I wanted to get debian running on my custom 68k machine at some point.. but without an mmu it won't work |
| 03:18.10 | Bronze | cantido: I sold my ATT SYS V 3b1 that ran with a 68010. |
| 03:19.12 | cantido | Bronze: there's a new 060 based machine on the way if you want something fast :) |
| 03:19.21 | mmnicolas | cantido: and you will have to use sarge |
| 03:19.24 | Bronze | cantido: that system had a custom mmu on it, somehow they hammered it into the system so you have actual virtual memory |
| 03:19.37 | nvz | lru: no story at 11.. heh |
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| 03:19.45 | cantido | mmnicolas: m68k is in debian-ports isn't it? |
| 03:19.55 | nvz | lru: if its not the mirror, then you're off to the BTS, and mailing lists it seems |
| 03:20.14 | Bronze | cantido: I'm stuck with wintel now, until someone else beside Nuance (Dragon Systems) comes up with a good Speech Recognition system. |
| 03:20.33 | cantido | x86 machines are boring as hell |
| 03:20.43 | cantido | install debian, job done :( |
| 03:20.52 | Bronze | heh. yup |
| 03:20.55 | mmnicolas | cantido: no, it was dropped at the same time amd64 was included, with etch (2007-2008) |
| 03:21.13 | cantido | mmnicolas: http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ |
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| 03:21.26 | cantido | mmnicolas: I run two non-official ports ;) |
| 03:22.03 | cantido | http://www.debian-ports.org/ -- that's probably better |
| 03:22.37 | mmnicolas | cantido: "status: discontinued/being revived" |
| 03:22.45 | lru | nvz: thanks.. I guess I keep poking it for now :-) |
| 03:23.01 | cantido | mmnicolas: I think sid is installable at the moment |
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| 03:24.17 | nvz | I'd like to get back to having a testing/unstable system around and aiding the front lines.. heh.. but right now I have to settle for the goal of even having a stable system.. cause all I got is this natty machine for now |
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| 03:26.04 | cantido | nvz: I haven't had issues with testing on x86 for a long time,.. it doesn't seem to break all that much anymore :( |
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| 03:26.51 | nvz | yeah well I've gotten comfortable (lazy) as a gnome user in recent years choosing my battles (my health) and frankly GNOME 3 makes me wanna vomit so.. |
| 03:27.36 | nvz | its bad enough its hard for me to keep being a sawfish user with gnome 2.x.. heh.. sawfish is still my fav wm, ion being the 2nd choice I guess |
| 03:27.48 | mmnicolas | Squeeze is awesome, besides, it's the last time we're going to enjoy that wonderful and mature Gnome 2 |
| 03:28.33 | nvz | yeah almost makes me wanna go off grid and start talking to a volleyball named wilson just thinking about it |
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| 03:29.07 | cantido | kde4 almost works now .. only took a few years |
| 03:29.12 | mmnicolas | that's what I do, a read old articles, old forums, I live in the past, but I have incredibly stable software |
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| 03:29.32 | nvz | looks around for anyone who cares about cantido's last statement and sees a tumble weed roll across the channel |
| 03:29.36 | nvz | heh |
| 03:29.40 | cantido | haha |
| 03:30.02 | cantido | gnome2 -> gnome3 seems to be the same pain as kde3 -> kde4 |
| 03:30.13 | cantido | i.e. they totally broke everything that worked |
| 03:30.32 | nvz | not really.. cause KDE always sucked.. gnome was at least cool at one time.. back when it still used sawfish |
| 03:31.05 | nvz | KDE tries too f'n hard to be revolutionary.. which is great for people who never seen a computer before or have way too much time on their hands.. the rest of us like things the way they were |
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| 03:31.45 | mmnicolas | cantido: Some things have to happen, in both case, a new application toolkit was released and instead of just porting everything they went for a big redesign |
| 03:32.09 | cantido | not sure about revolutionary.. more like copying any features that <insert big new thing> here has |
| 03:32.34 | nvz | I said tries.. not succeeds |
| 03:32.49 | cantido | mmnicolas: yeah, I was they would have left all the activities crap etc until they had the task bar working though |
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| 03:33.20 | cantido | i.e. it still freaks out at least once a day .. that's not good for something that has had 7 stable releases |
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| 03:33.34 | mmnicolas | wait wait don't you hear ? ... abrotman is coming, you should all flee to -offtopic |
| 03:33.53 | nvz | heh.. abrotman is probably only awake cause a ballgame is on or something |
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| 03:36.33 | k-man | how do i enable servign https pages in apache? |
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| 03:38.26 | lru | ok, I only seem to get the 404's on the Translation things.... not sure what they do |
| 03:39.40 | lru | ok, solved.... I guess a new apt fixed it.... :-) |
| 03:39.42 | nvz | heh.. they are cookbooks from 5 star resturants in france |
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| 03:40.47 | nvz | k-man: maybe this will be of help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
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| 03:41.50 | k-man | thanks nvz |
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| 03:49.05 | sanitypassing | can someone help me get a ntfs formatted drive to automount? |
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| 03:53.06 | nvz | sanitypassing: are you using GNOME? |
| 03:53.09 | sanitypassing | Yes. |
| 03:53.20 | sanitypassing | x86_64, if that matters. |
| 03:53.26 | nvz | not really |
| 03:53.32 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 03:54.28 | bkc_ | sanitypassing: you need to change fstab :) |
| 03:54.33 | sanitypassing | I can do that. |
| 03:54.37 | sanitypassing | I just need to know how. |
| 03:54.40 | sanitypassing | :) |
| 03:54.42 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: It should already automount and even open nautilus, is it a fixed-media or removable ? |
| 03:54.51 | sanitypassing | I'm actually not sure. |
| 03:54.57 | sanitypassing | It's a 500 GB external drive |
| 03:55.01 | nvz | sanitypassing: well fstab way is easy but would be for a fixed disk.. wont help for removable media much |
| 03:55.09 | sanitypassing | That's all I currently know about it. That, and it's NTFS |
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| 03:55.27 | sanitypassing | I can mount it through the mount command though, but it's annoying to do it every time I boot up. |
| 03:55.52 | bkc_ | you should be able to right-click on it and then under properties select "auto-mount on plug-in" or something like that :) |
| 03:55.57 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 03:56.08 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: See, Preferences > File management > Media tab > "Browse media when inserted" checkbox |
| 03:56.15 | bkc_ | also, "auto-mount on boot if available" :) |
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| 03:57.18 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: if you double click on it from nautilus doesn't it mount ? |
| 03:57.22 | sanitypassing | there is no auto-mount on plugin option/ :/ |
| 03:57.30 | nvz | to randomly automount usb ntfs devices I think you want to use libntfs and fuse |
| 03:57.33 | sanitypassing | No, it just tells me that my permissiosn are denied. |
| 03:57.43 | nvz | its been quite awhile since I've done this.. |
| 03:57.48 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: well you're not using debian squeeze with gnome then |
| 03:57.53 | sanitypassing | I am. |
| 03:58.15 | sanitypassing | I downloaded the x86_64 iso from the website last week, and installed from it. |
| 03:58.36 | mmnicolas | ohh |
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| 03:59.11 | mmnicolas | yes, add your user to the fuse group |
| 03:59.17 | sanitypassing | how do I do that? |
| 03:59.26 | nvz | sanitypassing: adduser yourusernamehere fuse |
| 03:59.35 | mmnicolas | usermod -aG fuse username |
| 03:59.36 | nvz | sanitypassing: you will need to login again for the membership to take effect |
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| 03:59.50 | sanitypassing | I don't have either of those commands. |
| 03:59.54 | nvz | heh |
| 03:59.57 | sanitypassing | :/ |
| 03:59.59 | nvz | you have to be root to do that |
| 04:00.05 | sanitypassing | Oh, ok. derp |
| 04:00.11 | nvz | if you don't have those you're not using linux at all |
| 04:00.19 | sanitypassing | Ok, I'll be right back. |
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| 04:01.09 | sanitypassing | I'm back. |
| 04:01.15 | sanitypassing | Still doesn't work. |
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| 04:01.39 | nvz | !doesn't work |
| 04:01.40 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 04:01.49 | sanitypassing | It reports the same permissions error. |
| 04:01.57 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: what is it |
| 04:02.29 | sanitypassing | it just tells me permission denied for /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:02.34 | sanitypassing | and exits with code #1 |
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| 04:03.39 | nvz | sanitypassing: type groups and verify the membership to the fuse group |
| 04:03.45 | cantido | hates error code 1 |
| 04:03.58 | sanitypassing | Yep, I'm in the fuse group |
| 04:04.13 | nvz | is libntfs installed? |
| 04:04.21 | sanitypassing | lemme check |
| 04:04.58 | nvz | not being on debian right now and not having done this in a really long time, I'm not too sure offhand how the whole NTFS fuse stuff works |
| 04:05.12 | sanitypassing | Yeah, it's installed. |
| 04:05.13 | mmnicolas | he can mount it with mount |
| 04:05.15 | sanitypassing | libntfs10 |
| 04:05.21 | mmnicolas | so it's something with the polkit |
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| 04:05.56 | nvz | last time I did this the most you had to do was go into gconf-editor and set up sane mount options for ntfs.. |
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| 04:07.45 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: do you use sudo or su with a root password ? |
| 04:07.57 | sanitypassing | what d'you mean? |
| 04:08.16 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: |
| 04:08.21 | nvz | he's asking how you become root which is a stupid way to ask if you're a liar |
| 04:08.23 | nvz | heh |
| 04:08.40 | sanitypassing | I become root with su - when I need to be root, or sudo when I just need root permissions |
| 04:08.51 | sanitypassing | So, sudo, as I really never need to become full root |
| 04:08.53 | cantido | sudo -s ftw |
| 04:09.07 | cafuego | su - root -c sudo - username |
| 04:09.09 | nvz | I used to use sudo -v and sudo -k a lot |
| 04:09.31 | nvz | cafuego: you sure pop out of the woodwork for the stangest things.. |
| 04:09.47 | mmnicolas | nvz: haha not really, default polkit includes everyone in the sudo group |
| 04:09.55 | nvz | right up there next to sussudio on the mysterious scale |
| 04:09.57 | cafuego | nvz: Just switching cupboards ;-) |
| 04:10.02 | nvz | haha |
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| 04:10.09 | Devastator | i didn't install sudo, that makes me feel i'm using ubuntu |
| 04:10.14 | nvz | cafuego: is that a reference to that story about the indian? |
| 04:10.35 | cafuego | nvz: I don't remember this conversation *at* *all* |
| 04:10.55 | sanitypassing | does it matter how I become root? Could that be affecting the auto-mount? |
| 04:10.59 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: when you type "groups" you see "sudo" right ? |
| 04:11.14 | sanitypassing | No, not as my user. |
| 04:11.44 | sanitypassing | I am a sudo-er though. |
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| 04:12.13 | sanitypassing | Should I add myself to sudo? |
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| 04:12.22 | sanitypassing | (I'm already under /etc/sudoers) |
| 04:12.38 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: yes that's the default way of doing it |
| 04:12.43 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
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| 04:13.23 | cafuego | nvz: For the record, I was juts flipping through irc windows whilst waiting for this site to load a page, so I can hack on it. |
| 04:14.06 | sanitypassing | Nope, still doesn't work. |
| 04:14.14 | sanitypassing | and I added myself to sudo |
| 04:14.23 | nvz | cafuego: ah.. I flip occasionally to make those numbers go away.. I rarely pay attention though.. heh |
| 04:14.23 | sanitypassing | (and logged out and back in) |
| 04:14.25 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: and logged off ? |
| 04:14.29 | sanitypassing | Yeah |
| 04:15.00 | mmnicolas | ok hold on I'll look something up |
| 04:15.07 | TomLM | My system keeps crashing for some strange reason. :s |
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| 04:15.41 | nvz | TomLM: dmesg.log and its rotated friends are usually a good place to start |
| 04:17.05 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: you do have this file : /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf right ? |
| 04:17.11 | sanitypassing | lemme check |
| 04:17.31 | sanitypassing | Yep. |
| 04:18.01 | nvz | TomLM: if its a laptop my first guess would be heat issues due to lack of cooling system maint but that usually happens before a complete boot or during heavy load |
| 04:19.52 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: type gksu-properties, make sure it is set to sudo |
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| 04:20.05 | tofad | hi |
| 04:20.08 | sanitypassing | it was set to su |
| 04:20.16 | nvz | tofad: not yetm but we're working on it |
| 04:20.22 | tofad | ? |
| 04:20.25 | sanitypassing | I set it to sudo |
| 04:20.27 | tofad | i am trying to locate anything that has php but locate command not working |
| 04:20.27 | sanitypassing | should I relog? |
| 04:20.37 | tofad | locate: can not stat () `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 04:20.54 | tofad | that is issue i am having |
| 04:21.08 | cafuego | tofad: Run the locate index updater |
| 04:21.21 | tofad | o ye |
| 04:21.23 | tofad | ok |
| 04:21.24 | nvz | notes the |
| 04:21.48 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: before that, see gconf-editor, in apps/gksu/ make sure sudo-mode is checked |
| 04:21.50 | nvz | notes the "not yet, but we're working on it" joke flies over most people's head.. and that his enter key is too close to the " key |
| 04:21.58 | sanitypassing | mmnicolas: Ok |
| 04:22.12 | sanitypassing | it |
| 04:22.18 | sanitypassing | it's checked |
| 04:23.30 | sanitypassing | mm, still can't mount |
| 04:23.54 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: and there is absolutely no other details in that error message |
| 04:24.15 | sanitypassing | Hold on, I'll gist the full text |
| 04:24.32 | sanitypassing | https://gist.github.com/2476404 |
| 04:26.15 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: ok well, I can't see what else, are you a member of plugdev ? |
| 04:26.27 | sanitypassing | Yes. |
| 04:26.29 | nvz | hmm I didn't know about this "gist" I thought you were talking about paraphrasing an error |
| 04:26.40 | sanitypassing | heh. |
| 04:26.49 | sanitypassing | Gist is like pastebin, but doesn't suck. :) |
| 04:27.10 | nvz | paste.debian.net is nice, and dpaste.com is clean and simple |
| 04:27.34 | sanitypassing | Also, I'm a member of cdrom, flopper, sudo, audio, dio, video. plugdev, netdev, bluetooth, fuse and scanner. |
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| 04:27.46 | sanitypassing | In case any one those could conflict, or I'm missing one |
| 04:27.56 | Gediminas | hi |
| 04:28.10 | nvz | not yet, but we're working on it.. |
| 04:28.10 | sanitypassing | I use github for source hosting, so it's a lot easier for me to access gist than any other paste site |
| 04:28.38 | sanitypassing | plus since they're all attached to my github account, so if I need to reference one on a later date, it's very easy to do |
| 04:28.54 | nvz | cool, good to know |
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| 04:30.13 | mmnicolas | sanitypassing: have you altered your login manager (gdm) in any way ? or do you use one ? |
| 04:30.42 | sanitypassing | I just use whatever GNOME came with, and no, I don't recall modifying it |
| 04:30.58 | sanitypassing | yeah, it's gdm |
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| 04:43.17 | nsadmin | sanitypassing, while pastebinit in squeeze does not permit gist as a pastebin, nopaste (in libapp-nopaste-perl) defaults to gist |
| 04:43.32 | nsadmin | seems like it might be convenient for ya |
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| 04:52.33 | simplew | anyone here with packaging experience? |
| 04:55.33 | cantido | !ask |
| 04:55.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:56.06 | simplew | cantido: im a rpm packager, and i would like to learn about packaging deb |
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| 04:56.27 | nvz | simplew: there is a guide for this sort of thing, as well as mentors |
| 04:56.35 | nvz | !new maint |
| 04:56.35 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:57.18 | nvz | simplew: you can /msg dpkg to ask about the other factoids mentioned in brackets |
| 04:57.20 | simplew | whats the latest debian release? |
| 04:57.35 | nvz | simplew: as the topic says, 6.0.4 Squeeze |
| 04:57.49 | simplew | nvz: thanks |
| 04:58.32 | simplew | nvz: this guide is valid for any other deb based distro? |
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| 04:59.06 | nvz | simplew: partially.. a lot of it addresses debian policy which isn't necesarrily applicable to other distros with more lienient policy |
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| 05:00.20 | simplew | so far im sued to use rpm based distros MAndriva, fedora and Mageia, but im insterested to change to a deb based distro, but now i dont know what to choose |
| 05:00.23 | simplew | any hints? |
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| 05:01.31 | Big_Brother | asking #debian what deb-based distro to use. I can only guess what suggestions there will be... |
| 05:01.36 | mmnicolas | well, deb-based distros are based on debian |
| 05:01.51 | simplew | ehehehhe :) |
| 05:02.15 | simplew | Big_Brother: es i want to chhoose to a debian based distro, now which one i dont know |
| 05:02.42 | Big_Brother | simplew: try... debian... |
| 05:02.44 | simplew | i runned the ubuntu live CD and i hate it |
| 05:03.02 | Big_Brother | ubuntu is a mutilation of debian. |
| 05:03.06 | simplew | but debian is known to be too conservative |
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| 05:03.17 | Big_Brother | simplew: so add some crap in. |
| 05:03.23 | g0rd0n | does the debian 3.2 kernel contain the hyper-v stuff? |
| 05:03.43 | mmnicolas | simplew: then by choosing the most conservative, you're sure to fit in every derivation |
| 05:03.51 | simplew | does debian as any app to control the system like for exampl opensuse has yast? |
| 05:03.59 | Big_Brother | simplew: it's linux, it's not like windows where you constricted to a limited number of changes you can do before it all starts to fall apart. |
| 05:04.26 | simplew | Big_Brother: i didnt said nothing about windows |
| 05:04.44 | Big_Brother | simplew: windows being an example and nothing actually to do with what's being said. |
| 05:04.45 | mmnicolas | simplew: you mean package management tools ? Sure, we have APT (applauses) |
| 05:06.37 | mmnicolas | (continued applauses) |
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| 05:06.59 | simplew | yast controls the system, and its not just a package management tool |
| 05:07.01 | Big_Brother | releases crickets upon mmnicolas. |
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| 05:07.48 | simplew | hum seams not |
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| 05:11.17 | mmnicolas | ok it's a glorified package manager bundled with a few tools |
| 05:11.40 | Devastator | simplew ok, you are not ready for deb-based or debian distro, keep using rpm, mandriva or whatever :) |
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| 05:12.29 | simplew | yeap i will |
| 05:12.35 | simplew | thanks |
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| 05:13.09 | simplew | mmnicolas: you really have n clue whats yast |
| 05:13.37 | Devastator | we know yast, at least some of us, and my opinion is it's crap compared to apt |
| 05:13.54 | mmnicolas | I'm on the wiki and now I do |
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| 05:15.21 | simplew | Devastator: do like mmnicolas and see that the package manaement its only s small part |
| 05:15.23 | Big_Brother | it's a centralized package installer and system manager, it looks like. |
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| 05:15.59 | simplew | its a pitty that debian doesnt have some like it |
| 05:16.01 | mmnicolas | whatever happened to "do one thing, do it good" |
| 05:16.10 | Devastator | simplew i already used suse way before it became opensuse, i don't need any fancy tool to do what i want |
| 05:16.59 | mmnicolas | my Gnome control center looks a lot like Yast |
| 05:17.01 | simplew | Devastator: i simply made a simple question now you are rambling |
| 05:17.04 | Big_Brother | yeah... I'm not really into the whole monolithic type of applications. separate application do separate things, sometimes even some related things but not all of the things. |
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| 05:17.47 | simplew | Big_Brother: yes, in mandriva theres also a tool like yast, MCC, but of course that doesnt stop you to do things |
| 05:17.51 | Devastator | simplew sorry if i sound rude, i was just showing my opinion, point of view |
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| 05:18.52 | simplew | of course such a tool is handy and helps a lot sometimes, but you can also do things other way |
| 05:19.19 | Big_Brother | ever tried the command line? |
| 05:19.21 | Devastator | i'm used to where debian store config files and i like to edit them manually when i can |
| 05:19.22 | simplew | i had the idea that debian would have some like it, i was wrong, sorry |
| 05:19.29 | nvz | simplew: idk what it is you are looking for but this is a general debian support channel, what I told you earlier is about as far as this channel's scope goes I can direct you elsewhere for more questions related to the packaging |
| 05:20.01 | nvz | !mentors |
| 05:20.01 | dpkg | well, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 05:20.41 | nvz | simplew: that channel on OFTC (irc.debian.org) is where maintainers hang out and aid people with package management.. this channel is for actual debian users to ask questions about using debian.. not the deb package format |
| 05:20.41 | simplew | nvz: i ddnt want to be rude or even near, im just trying to discover about debian |
| 05:21.02 | Big_Brother | http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ it's dead, mind you. |
| 05:21.04 | Devastator | i personally don't like a tool where i can't see what's doing |
| 05:21.08 | nvz | simplew: I understand that, you're just doing it with people who are not very experienced on the matter and not helping yourself much |
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| 05:21.41 | Devastator | maybe i'm too old fashion and prefer the hard way?! |
| 05:21.48 | nvz | simplew: not to mention taking up the time of people trying to get help with debian and support debian. its beyond the scope of this channel, you would find more answers talking to debian maintainers and mentors |
| 05:23.03 | nvz | simplew: your best resources are the debian developer website and the mentors channel and mailing list, if you are not actually using debian and looking for help with using debian, this group of humble users helping other users is not the place to be. ;) |
| 05:24.21 | simplew | nvz: now you are not nice, and you are already repeating yourself |
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| 05:24.47 | simplew | nvz: but if you feel happier im glad i could contribute |
| 05:25.20 | Devastator | shrug |
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| 05:25.37 | Big_Brother | simplew: if you're OK with a discontinued distro, Libranet is an option... |
| 05:25.41 | Big_Brother | :| |
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| 05:27.42 | JimmyKash | Hey guys, Is it possible to setup up a web server to load a webcam feed to a local web page? I hope this makes sense |
| 05:28.05 | nvz | JimmyKash: of course its mossible |
| 05:28.13 | nvz | possible even |
| 05:28.16 | mmnicolas | JimmyKash: motion does that internally |
| 05:28.25 | Devastator | it is, i just don't see how it's related to debian, but anyway.. |
| 05:28.33 | JimmyKash | if I was making my own web page though, would motion integrate easily? |
| 05:28.45 | nvz | Devastator: unrelated to debian seems to be the theme of the hour |
| 05:28.51 | mmnicolas | JimmyKash: Most likely |
| 05:28.52 | JimmyKash | well suggest a better room |
| 05:29.00 | JimmyKash | it is a debian web server |
| 05:29.04 | Big_Brother | Devastator: if you don't have anything positive to say, shut up. |
| 05:29.24 | karlpinc | JimmyKash: zoneminder |
| 05:29.25 | nvz | yo, catalyst.. lets not tell people to shut up |
| 05:29.33 | mmnicolas | Devastator: it's totally related to debian if I can suggest a debian package, it's even in main |
| 05:29.57 | JimmyKash | i didnt mean to start a war... |
| 05:30.04 | JimmyKash | sorry and thank you to all for your help |
| 05:30.09 | karlpinc | JimmyKash: Otherwise, use <debtags> to search or see the <search> factoid. |
| 05:30.11 | nvz | JimmyKash: your question was answered.. all is well... unless you care to elaborate or ask another |
| 05:30.14 | Big_Brother | JimmyKash: he did it with that last guy in here. |
| 05:30.40 | Devastator | i just said "i don't see how".. now i see how :) chill people |
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| 05:34.54 | nvz | it has been a really slow month in here.. I'm wondering if it's a trend or just something random. |
| 05:35.30 | nvz | pokes Piggy |
| 05:35.39 | Big_Brother | it's exam month. |
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| 05:35.57 | Devastator | my 2 cents, something random |
| 05:36.45 | nvz | I was under the impression most of our passers through who aren't regulars were highschool aged or younger |
| 05:37.02 | nvz | but I guess they have finals too |
| 05:37.22 | Devastator | and jobs maybe |
| 05:37.32 | Big_Brother | mmm... |
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| 05:37.47 | Big_Brother | I'm not sure high schoolers have finals just yet. |
| 05:38.37 | Big_Brother | people on the college schedule of jan-may would have finals just about now. |
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| 05:38.55 | Big_Brother | high school is a little further away, probably late may even. |
| 05:39.08 | Big_Brother | (in the USA, anyhow) |
| 05:39.20 | nvz | here they've been having fridays off for about a month now.. cause they didnt have any snow days |
| 05:40.10 | Big_Brother | canadia? |
| 05:40.25 | nvz | I only mentioned it because this is one of those times I'm kinda lookin in and dont want to do anything else. .and there is nothing to see here |
| 05:40.54 | nvz | I'm just across the river from Morgantown.. home of WVU |
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| 05:41.19 | nvz | its funny you say that though, cause I call it canadia too |
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| 05:45.25 | mmnicolas | it's Canada btw, canadia is apparently an extinct worm |
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| 05:46.39 | nvz | I don't much like saying Canada.. canadia rolls off the tongue better. |
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| 05:49.14 | nvz | well I guess I should go to bed rather than stare at everyone that walks in hoping they ask a question.. cause they'll probably end up asking something I have nfc about anyhow.. heh.. thats usually how it works when you stare into #debian rather than just happen to glance while doing something else |
| 05:49.39 | Big_Brother | nvz: or join more networks and channels. |
| 05:49.52 | cantido | #debian makes working from home on shitty games less boring |
| 05:49.54 | cantido | :) |
| 05:50.22 | Big_Brother | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=canadia mmnicolas |
| 05:50.23 | nvz | Big_Brother: I've considered that many times, and even been on OFTC a few times.. but I don't like it.. I've been right here for about 12 years now.. this is home... |
| 05:50.35 | Big_Brother | nvz: oh. |
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| 05:50.43 | Big_Brother | I'm usually on freenode and rizon. |
| 05:50.52 | nvz | it feels like a broken home without lilo, but.. its still home none the less |
| 05:50.53 | mmnicolas | Big_Brother: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia_spinosa |
| 05:50.55 | Devastator | debian is fun, indeed |
| 05:51.07 | Big_Brother | cause, you know, anime people are so cool to talk to. >_>; |
| 05:51.19 | Devastator | trolls helps on this matter too |
| 05:51.53 | cantido | anime fanboys.. ugh |
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| 05:52.51 | Big_Brother | enthusiastic ones are bad. everyone else: somewhat OK. |
| 05:53.07 | nvz | I tried supporting ubuntu in #ubuntu.. made me crazy.. freenode debian people are my people.. everyone else is just weird.. if not stupid and annoying.. heh |
| 05:53.46 | Devastator | i'm stupid and annoying, what else do you have against me? |
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| 05:54.13 | Big_Brother | Devastator: it's all we need to have everything against you. |
| 05:54.20 | nvz | Devastator: I've got nothing against you, you've been here long enough to be one of the family.. I couldn't knock you for being a black sheep cause I kinda fit that bill myself |
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| 05:54.28 | nvz | now this Big_Brother guy on the other hand.. heh |
| 05:54.34 | Big_Brother | oi |
| 05:54.39 | Big_Brother | I've been here a few years |
| 05:54.45 | Big_Brother | haven't spoken much, though. |
| 05:54.47 | nvz | same nick? |
| 05:54.53 | nvz | cause I haven't seen you before today |
| 05:54.55 | Big_Brother | yes. |
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| 05:55.59 | Devastator | i think debian channel grew a bit on the last.. 5 months? |
| 05:56.12 | nvz | not this channel.. |
| 05:56.28 | Devastator | average was 900.. now it's hitting more than 1000 pretty often |
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| 05:56.52 | nvz | you do realize we have ways and means to measure this right? |
| 05:57.01 | nvz | eyes Piggy |
| 05:57.17 | Devastator | yes, lemme check chanserv info :D |
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| 05:57.34 | nvz | http://debstats.dontexist.org |
| 05:57.51 | nvz | piggy watches you.. |
| 05:58.20 | offnod | has anyone have magnet links from chrome working properly on transmission? i have tried the gconf-2 cmds that are floating around the net, but they haven't worked so far |
| 05:58.39 | Devastator | it has been a long time i've seen stats like that |
| 05:58.52 | nvz | offnod: I have the same issue, yet when I asked in the offtopic channel a couple weeks ago others said it worked for them |
| 05:59.00 | Devastator | i used to configure this script 8 years ago or so |
| 05:59.31 | Devastator | mmnicolas yes, i'm using mIRC as i'm in windows |
| 05:59.44 | nvz | offnod: I didn't care enough to find a solution only TPB seems to have been removing normal torrent links and I can use FF if I have to use TPB which is rarely ever anymore. |
| 05:59.57 | Devastator | 7.22 btw, but you already know.. |
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| 06:00.19 | cantido | bittorrent is so old school |
| 06:00.29 | Big_Brother | there's an irssi for windows. not very good though. |
| 06:00.37 | nvz | I mostly use torrents to grab tv shows.. which I realize I dont have to do anymore cause xfinity site now uses silverlight rather than that weird move media player thing |
| 06:00.50 | Devastator | bittorrent supports magnet links on latest version? |
| 06:00.54 | nvz | cantido: haha.. then whats the new school? |
| 06:01.01 | Devastator | utorrent? |
| 06:01.06 | cantido | nvz: usenet over SSL |
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| 06:01.27 | nvz | usenet is ancient.. and I've not seen one in ages that doesnt cost money to use |
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| 06:02.05 | Devastator | Big_Brother i loved bitchx+cypress in linux, in windows i've always used mirc |
| 06:02.08 | nvz | usenet feels deeply rooted in BBS.. which I recall dialing up BBS servers back in the day |
| 06:02.45 | nvz | offnod: are you experiencing this issue on debian stable? |
| 06:03.09 | cantido | it's a little cheaper than getting stuff from a premium rate bbs used to be heh |
| 06:04.23 | Devastator | nvz isn't TPB the best with the exception of paid trackers? |
| 06:04.33 | Devastator | demonoid is also cool |
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| 06:06.26 | nvz | Devastator: na.. I like KAT and the torrentz.eu metasearch is nice too.. but really I have no loyalties.. I just use google and take whatever there is.. heh |
| 06:06.41 | Devastator | isohunt :D |
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| 06:07.03 | nvz | Devastator: I got real mad and started trying hard to avoid TPB when they started using magnet links only.. seems like a few of their torrent pages still have torrent links.. but very few |
| 06:07.19 | nvz | Devastator: and really I wouldnt care if it were not for that chrome issue that was just mentioned |
| 06:07.27 | Devastator | nvz it's an attempt to keep alive |
| 06:07.37 | nvz | Devastator: I understand, i just dont care.. heh |
| 06:08.50 | Devastator | sorry to not keep chatting, have to be awake in 3 hours :( |
| 06:09.03 | nvz | I pretty much use illegal torrents for stuff I legally have a right to see anyhow.. its not my fault that these companies wont wise up and give me things in the format I want them.. directly on my pc on my schedule.. I'm more than happy to wait a week most of the time and watch it with commercials on hulu or watch it on xfinity's site |
| 06:09.47 | offnod | yea, now i'm reduced to copying the link url and adding it manually |
| 06:09.50 | nvz | I only recently because my cousin asked me to check xfinity for something, learned that they use silverlight now so I can finally use the damn site |
| 06:09.50 | Devastator | chrome is nice, but like i said early today, browsers are memory eaters |
| 06:10.09 | offnod | this is the new millenium, isn't it ?! |
| 06:10.13 | nvz | offnod: yeah thats what I do or use FF.. but a solution would be nice.. I just didn't care enough to keep working on it |
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| 06:11.00 | nvz | offnod: I'm on Ubuntu Natty though.. which I installed on my netbook as motivation to buy a new computer.. heh. commitment devices.. then I got a new computer and the HDD died so I had to put this HDD in.. ugh.. |
| 06:11.09 | nvz | thats why I wondered if you also seen the same issue on debian stable |
| 06:11.19 | Devastator | my chrome with 3 tabs opened is eating almost 400MB of RAM |
| 06:11.33 | nvz | I'm very tempted to just break down and install debian on this drive again.. but I fear its close to the end of its lifespan and an install might kill it |
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| 06:12.06 | iandalton | Now that I've installed stable, what's the best way to upgrade to testing? |
| 06:12.22 | nvz | the mfg agreed to allow me to send just the HDD in for replacement, but at my expense.. and well. I'm broke so.. heh.. its either come up with the money to ship the HDD or lose my computer for however long it takes and let them pay the shipping |
| 06:12.42 | nvz | iandalton: do you mind if I ask why you are doing that? |
| 06:12.54 | Devastator | does dpkg have a factoid for squeeze->testing? |
| 06:13.12 | nvz | it has a factoid but I dont think thats what its called |
| 06:13.23 | Devastator | nvz are you in US? |
| 06:13.47 | nvz | Devastator: yeah, WV |
| 06:14.10 | offnod | that's messed up, wasn't the hardrive still under new warranty? |
| 06:14.12 | iandalton | nvz: I wanted testing to begin with, I was told to start by installing stable |
| 06:14.15 | Devastator | nvz c'mon, you can buy a new HDD from newegg for 30 bucks |
| 06:14.24 | nvz | offnod: yeah happend 4 days after I got the machine |
| 06:14.48 | nvz | Devastator: thats about my monthly income if I dont (can't) work.. and in the last 3 weeks I've only worked 3 hrs |
| 06:15.21 | Devastator | nvz i thought obama fixed that and economy was growing :/ |
| 06:15.34 | nvz | its not the economy.. I have a job I can go to anytime |
| 06:15.43 | nvz | its my health.. |
| 06:16.26 | Devastator | i see.. again, you have the best doctors, should be easy :) |
| 06:16.54 | nvz | yeaah.. well that would be a conversation for another channel and another time.. its also wrong |
| 06:17.04 | Devastator | true, sorry |
| 06:17.08 | nvz | doctors like everyone else in America don't like broke people |
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| 06:17.31 | nvz | they just sprinkle us with anti depressants and push us out the door.. heh |
| 06:17.38 | BeastNZ | which they get kick backs on |
| 06:17.39 | BeastNZ | :P |
| 06:17.40 | Devastator | nvz i was been told that in America they fix then charge :) |
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| 06:18.05 | nvz | yeah right.. tell that to my wisdom teeth |
| 06:18.30 | BeastNZ | no wisdom left in ur teeth son |
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| 06:18.40 | nvz | got that right |
| 06:18.48 | Devastator | no roots either |
| 06:18.49 | Devastator | heh |
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| 06:19.06 | slikts | am I a bad person if I hate the find command? |
| 06:19.20 | nvz | slikts: I won't hate you for it.. cause I don't like it either |
| 06:19.29 | Devastator | try locate instead?! |
| 06:19.30 | slikts | I usually feel it should be just a -recursive flag |
| 06:19.43 | slikts | like rm -r "*.pyc" |
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| 06:20.34 | Devastator | night people! i really have to sleep |
| 06:20.38 | nvz | find is a pretty complicated command and never seems to do what you want it to |
| 06:20.39 | slikts | "find . -name "*.pyc" -exec rm {} \;" is a sign of brain damaged design |
| 06:20.56 | iandalton | Is it safe to upgrade to wheezy by s/squeeze/wheezy/ on sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:21.23 | Devastator | iandalton let me first try to find the factoid |
| 06:21.24 | nvz | iandalton: thats how you do it, but how safe it is varies significantly |
| 06:21.40 | nvz | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:21.44 | nvz | nope |
| 06:21.46 | nvz | heh |
| 06:21.55 | nvz | !+listvals wheezy |
| 06:21.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wheezy' by value (15 of 77): b43-fwcutter ;; dmmw ;; gnome 3 ranting ;; icedtea ;; install java ;; introduction ;; ioquake3 ;; iwlegacy ;; lame ;; libav ;; modsecurity ;; ntfsprogs ;; nvidia legacy ;; vbox-install squeeze ;; wine-unstable. |
| 06:21.58 | slikts | oh, it turns out you can do find -delete > |
| 06:22.01 | iandalton | slikts: psst. this might be a faux pas in here, but look at Windows's findstr's syntax. IIRC, it's cleaner for the default case. |
| 06:22.01 | slikts | >> |
| 06:22.27 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys wheezy |
| 06:22.27 | Devastator | iandalton here /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:22.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wheezy' by key (15 of 19): install wheezy ;; quick wheezy/sid mix ;; vbox-install wheezy ;; wheezy ;; wheezy bet ;; wheezy kernel ;; wheezy pool ;; wheezy pool 1 ;; wheezy security ;; wheezy->sid ;; wheezy-security ;; wheezy/sid ;; wheezy/updates ;; when will wheezy release ;; why wheezy/sid. |
| 06:22.44 | slikts | iandalton: you're right, I'm switching to windows |
| 06:23.03 | nvz | iandalton: I asked you why you were doing it so I could perhaps help you find another way or advise you on avoiding trouble |
| 06:23.08 | iandalton | slikts: it would be pretty easy to write a shell-script that dupes findstr's syntax |
| 06:23.19 | slikts | oh no my winxp cd is scratched, I can't switch to windows after all :( |
| 06:23.27 | iandalton | nvz: Did you catch my answer above? |
| 06:23.29 | nvz | iandalton: I always liked apt-listbugs when using testing/unstable |
| 06:23.39 | streuner | nvz, stable->testing should work? |
| 06:23.49 | Devastator | iandalton here /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:24.04 | nvz | iandalton: ah well idk about all that, others would argue to install it directly so you can test the testing installer |
| 06:24.17 | nvz | but doing it stable first avoids issues with the current testing installer |
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| 06:25.21 | iandalton | nvz: Well I already installed stable :P |
| 06:25.27 | nvz | iandalton: often people just need something in particular.. which can be addressed without using a testing/unstable branch.. it avoids headaches for both the user and the support community |
| 06:25.38 | Devastator | that reminds me i have to build another computer to update my company's router which is in lenny yet :( |
| 06:26.42 | nvz | iandalton: wheezy should be releasing before too long but that doesnt necessarily mean its more stable.. people running it now who say its all clear are probably not aware its a sort of calm before the storm.. bug squishing parties and such can easily lead to lots of last minute breakage |
| 06:27.46 | iandalton | nvz: before now, my laptop has had Ubuntu, and I've installed several PPAs to get newer versions of some software. But I think Squeeze would have old versions of lots of software, and it would make more sense to just use Wheezy than try to wrangle upgrading that many individual pieces of software |
| 06:27.59 | nvz | iandalton: my aim, and the aim of many long time supporters in here are to help you get comfortable with stable or at the very least inform you well on using testing/unstable to avoid you coming back far more emotional and stressed out annoying us with issues we're all working hard to fix and knew existed |
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| 06:28.40 | nvz | iandalton: you can run into some seriously nasty package issues and such on testing/unstable and if not experienced in dealing with them it can be a very difficult task |
| 06:29.15 | nvz | iandalton: there are however some key points to avoiding breakage.. and I think using apt-listbugs is one of the best |
| 06:29.21 | Devastator | squeeze+backports seems the safe choice |
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| 06:29.48 | Devastator | and you can backport whatever you need that aren't in backports |
| 06:29.57 | nvz | iandalton: you would have to of course familiarize with the BTS and use good sense when installing or upgrading things in testing/unstable.. apt-listbugs only helps to make you better informed |
| 06:30.01 | iandalton | nvz: OK, I might try unstable if I can get: the latest Firefox/unbranded equivalent, GNOME 3, Chromium daily, Emacs daily, and Quod Libet dev version |
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| 06:30.27 | nvz | I take it you like to live dangerously.. heh |
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| 06:30.40 | Devastator | why not experimental? :P |
| 06:30.53 | iandalton | Not really. For a home user, I don't consider these things dangerous. Do you? |
| 06:31.03 | iandalton | Experimental? I don't know much about it. Why that instead of testing? |
| 06:31.04 | nvz | Devastator: don't tempt people with non-sense.. you should know experimental isnt a branch |
| 06:31.30 | nvz | iandalton: experimental is not a branch of debian its where we throw random crap that is severely broken and not even ready for unstable yet |
| 06:31.33 | Devastator | nvz sorry, i was being sarcastic |
| 06:31.35 | cantido | iandalton: I would go for testing rather than unstable |
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| 06:32.12 | iandalton | I've had all these packages on Ubuntu up until my HDD failed, so I feel comfortable using the latest versions. Should it be any different on Debian? |
| 06:32.15 | cantido | or testing + unstable pinned |
| 06:32.47 | nvz | iandalton: if you dont consider waking up tomorrow and you can't surf the web, or better yet cannot get passed a kernel panic, or console, or lose data, get hacked due to an unresolved security issue you were the first one to find out about..etc.. dangerous.. then no, its not dangerous |
| 06:32.48 | boudiccas | iandalton: different from what? |
| 06:33.13 | iandalton | For now I'll upgrade to testing (thanks Devastator for the bot command), then worry about pinning after I've used it for a while |
| 06:33.18 | nvz | iandalton: not to mention you will get far less help with your issues unless you properly utilize the BTS and mailing lists |
| 06:33.47 | Devastator | ianpreston can i give you a suggestion? |
| 06:33.51 | Devastator | opss |
| 06:33.54 | Devastator | iandalton |
| 06:34.03 | iandalton | nvz: I consider those dangerous, but are these things much more likely to happen in Debian Testing than in Ubuntu 11.10? |
| 06:34.31 | nvz | iandalton: eh.. hehe.. well thats hard to say.. cause ubuntu is a mess |
| 06:34.45 | boudiccas | debian testing is what it says it is ......... testing, a testpad for all upcoming stuff. you'd be better off with stable |
| 06:34.52 | iandalton | Yeah that's why I'm installing Debian this time around |
| 06:35.14 | Devastator | again, can i give you my personal advice? |
| 06:35.20 | nvz | iandalton: but if you come back in an hour and your working stable machine is now stuck in a broken dependancy loop, and you ask about it.. first thing you're going to be asked is if you checked the BTS.. if you ask what is the BTS nobody is gonna talk to you anymore.. |
| 06:35.21 | iandalton | Can I get the version of packages I mentioned above on stable? If so I will use it |
| 06:35.25 | iandalton | Devastator: sure |
| 06:35.31 | nvz | if you say no, they will tell you to check it and file a bug |
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| 06:35.59 | iandalton | nvz: I'm good with bug trackers :) |
| 06:36.05 | Devastator | iandalton please start with stable + backports, if you feel you need more, then go to testing, but i wouldn't go above testing |
| 06:36.12 | cantido | nvz: a kernel in stable could crash on some issue that is fixed in testing, equally the kernel in stable could be causing data corruption that the one in testing isn't.. |
| 06:36.15 | nvz | iandalton: well I'd advise you to install apt-listbugs before you do anything |
| 06:36.46 | nvz | iandalton: it automatically queries the bts BEFORE apt downloads or installs anything |
| 06:37.00 | nvz | keeping you apprised on what may arise |
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| 06:37.38 | iandalton | OK |
| 06:38.01 | Devastator | i use testing on my laptop and had a few problems with kernel 3.0.0-2, i must say i don't use it much, but i installed to try to report bugs anyway |
| 06:38.18 | nvz | iandalton: we can always use people to find and report bugs.. unlike ubuntu we fix em.. we dont just roll out releases ready or not.. so we can use the help.. we just need smart people who are going to work at solving problems not just creating them, using testing |
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| 06:39.12 | Devastator | tracking a bug is like puzzles for me, and i like puzzles :) |
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| 06:39.18 | iandalton | You guys make it sound like testing is horribly buggy. A little buggy I'm fine with; I am happy to help report bugs. I understand the need for caution, but aren't you being a bit melodramatic? |
| 06:39.47 | cantido | iandalton: IMHO stable is equally as buggy.. you just don't get new bugs |
| 06:39.48 | nvz | iandalton: we're used to a high level of idiocracy especially coming from ubuntu |
| 06:39.49 | Devastator | iandalton testing is fine, but one update can ruin it |
| 06:40.24 | Devastator | does anybody recall perl bug which removed linux-image package? |
| 06:40.25 | boudiccas | whats melodramatic about stuff breaking? stuff /will/ break in testing, its a known fact |
| 06:40.25 | nvz | iandalton: the main issue is not the bugs but the ability for the largest part of the support community to help with the issues.. you need to be more self suffecient which I think you can handle |
| 06:40.58 | nvz | iandalton: we can help you with many things, but at the same time more effort on your end is required when using testing/unstable |
| 06:41.27 | shabgard | #join #2600 |
| 06:41.35 | nvz | heh |
| 06:41.45 | Devastator | typo :D |
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| 06:42.00 | nvz | thats one of those things you just look at and think . o O ( did that seriously just happen? ) |
| 06:42.00 | iandalton | Over the past few years I've reported or added info to > 300 bugs on various projects, according to my thread count in my bugs label on Gmail |
| 06:42.00 | shabgard | :-" |
| 06:42.19 | cantido | iandalton: did any of them get fixed? |
| 06:42.23 | iandalton | Yes |
| 06:42.33 | cantido | iandalton: debian bugs can linger for years and years.. |
| 06:42.50 | nvz | iandalton: I just dont want you to be surprised then think we're unsupportive as a result |
| 06:42.51 | iandalton | I didn't submit any patches though :-| still working my way up to that |
| 06:43.47 | Devastator | i'm trying to find time to study C, perl and python, to submit patches as well |
| 06:44.01 | hippomikko | Hi everybody! I'm not sure which Torrent link I should download from? http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 06:44.02 | hippomikko | # uname -a |
| 06:44.02 | hippomikko | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Mar 4 22:19:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:44.18 | cantido | Devastator: learn how to use gdb too |
| 06:44.33 | Devastator | gdb and strace heh |
| 06:44.46 | Devastator | i've used gdb once |
| 06:44.51 | iandalton | Not just printf? :-\ |
| 06:44.54 | cantido | debugging with printf is not fun |
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| 06:45.08 | cantido | i.e. how do you do watch points with printf? |
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| 06:45.44 | nvz | hippomikko: what are you trying to do and why did you post uname -a here? |
| 06:46.15 | Devastator | nvz i think he's trying to download squeeze to update his lenny install (?!) |
| 06:46.24 | iandalton | the bot says: "From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy." what about the line: |
| 06:46.24 | iandalton | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 06:46.24 | iandalton | ? do I remove it or rename it? |
| 06:46.49 | nvz | iandalton: comment it out.. you will need it in a few months if you want to follow wheezy to stable |
| 06:47.36 | nvz | iandalton: I'd imagine sometime this summer wheezy will release.. you could either continue to follow testing or go stable at that point |
| 06:47.37 | hippomikko | nvz, I need to upgrade my Lenny to the latest stable. I have a i686 CPU but I only see a link to i386 or amd64, but I have an Intel Duo Core so I'm uncertain which of those I should click on? |
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| 06:48.12 | cantido | hippomikko: core2 should be able run amd64 |
| 06:48.24 | iandalton | nvz: if I replace "squeeze" with "wheezy", it will follow wheezy to stable, but if I replace with "testing", it will stick with testing, correct? |
| 06:48.33 | hippomikko | cantido, ok thanks! :) |
| 06:48.42 | nvz | iandalton: right |
| 06:49.09 | nvz | hippomikko: yes your cor2 is capable of running 32 or 64bit and you don't need to download anything if you have a fast internet connection.. you can upgrade directly from the machine over the internet |
| 06:49.10 | cantido | hippomikko: there should be a 686 kernel in there too if you don't want to be running a 64bit kernel |
| 06:49.41 | Devastator | hippomikko how much RAM you have? 2GB? more than 4? |
| 06:49.51 | hippomikko | Devastator, 4GB |
| 06:49.59 | nvz | hippomikko: the lenny -> squeeze transition is a bit more work than any I've experienced from Potato onward.. because of udev and other changes.. |
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| 06:50.46 | nvz | cantido: only issue I ever encountered is apparently fglrx cannot do hybrid systems.. your kernel arch and package arch must agree |
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| 06:51.35 | cantido | dunno, I just use amd64 :) |
| 06:51.44 | nvz | hippomikko: if you run the debian isntaller you're going to install over top of your existing installation and if you didn't make a separate /home will lose your data. this is not how you upgrade. |
| 06:52.01 | hippomikko | So many options :) I will click on the amd64 link now! |
| 06:52.21 | cantido | hippomikko: if you're upgrading you don't want the amd64 image.. |
| 06:52.25 | nvz | hippomikko: do you have a fast enough connection on the machine to upgrade over the internet? are you planning to actually upgrade or reinstall? |
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| 06:52.54 | nvz | yes you cannot upgrade a 32bit system with a 64bit ISO and you cannot upgrade ANY system with an ISO.. you will likely need several ISOs |
| 06:53.03 | nvz | so you should probably answer my questions first. heh |
| 06:53.32 | nvz | you've probably got far more on an old lenny system than the first ISO can handle upgrading |
| 06:54.02 | hippomikko | nvz, I want to do a fresh reinstall. |
| 06:54.25 | cantido | amd64 will work then |
| 06:54.34 | nvz | hippomikko: well in that case you are free to use either amd64 or i386 and you avoid the extra step of having to upgrade your kernel first. |
| 06:54.46 | cantido | the reason there isn't a "686" image is because it's in the 386 image |
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| 06:55.05 | cantido | it's == the 686 kernel |
| 06:55.29 | hippomikko | cantido, then I should cancel the adm64 download and download the i386 instead! |
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| 06:55.47 | cantido | hippomikko: amd64 should work and you have 4gb of ram |
| 06:56.12 | nvz | I havent tried amd64 in a year or two.. but I always had too many issues with things I did especially 3rd party stuff like OpenSim and such.. running properly on 64bit |
| 06:56.40 | hippomikko | then I continue with i386 :) |
| 06:56.44 | nvz | I noticed no real benefit and possible compatibility issues and always avoided it |
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| 06:56.54 | nvz | last I used it google earth didnt work well on it either |
| 06:56.57 | cantido | nvz: SSL etc are twice as fast on amd64 |
| 06:57.31 | nvz | cantido: I don't even know what that means.. haha.. my limited use of ssl is visiting a https website |
| 06:57.38 | nvz | and near as I can tell it cant be any faster |
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| 06:58.24 | cantido | nvz: amd64 has some features other than 64bit linear address space.. ;) |
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| 06:58.49 | nvz | cantido: yeah but many of them can be achieved by a 64bit kernel |
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| 06:59.01 | nevyn | more registers that are more bigger. |
| 06:59.09 | iandalton | more biggerer, even |
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| 06:59.14 | nvz | without introducing hard to solve compatibility issues that may still exist with random third party apps that are 32bit only |
| 06:59.40 | nevyn | nvz: hence x32 |
| 06:59.48 | cantido | hasn't had any issue with 32bit apps in ages |
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| 07:00.06 | cantido | most of the issue that did exist were to do with the shitty ia32-libs stuff |
| 07:00.06 | nvz | hasnt tried in about 2 years so.. |
| 07:00.25 | nvz | yeah ia32-libs sounded good but didnt always work so good |
| 07:01.25 | nvz | my rationale when it all first started going, was use a 64bit kernel to gain the majority of the benefits from IO and such.. and a 32bit userland for compatibilty |
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| 07:01.58 | nvz | the only issue I'm aware of is that fglrx doesnt work in that environment.. and well.. ATI drivers suck and you shouldnt buy ATI.. use intel or nvidia |
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| 07:02.49 | nvz | I'm actually rather impressed with modern intel graphics.. they're not higher end nvidia cards.. but they work quite well and natively |
| 07:04.08 | darius_w | hi, I want to chroot all ssh users to their homes, is there some tool to manage packages in chroot? is I update for example git on host, I want it also update for all users |
| 07:05.09 | nvz | darius_w: debootstrap can build a base install in a directory which can be used as a chroot then you use the same tools you would on any debian system.. dpkg and apt |
| 07:06.20 | nvz | darius_w: that could however get aweful heafty in the disk space department |
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| 07:09.02 | darius_w | I created xen domU with 8gb disk to let users ssh into that box and access their files mounted to their homes from NFS. I want to protect(privacy) users from eatch other at low cost.. |
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| 07:09.38 | m00ba | or does it need a special option? |
| 07:11.04 | ansgar | darius_w: Just make other users home directories not accessible? |
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| 07:30.51 | fasta_ | I have an external USB harddisk which spins up every hour or so, but I don't see why. I expect the OS to send some kind of signal to the device, but how can I check that? |
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| 07:46.15 | ChrisH | fasta_: some ideas: syncer, syslogd, smartctl, hdtemp |
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| 07:47.36 | fasta_ | ChrisH: only syslogd runs, but I am not writing anything to the device, so I don't see why it would want to access the device. |
| 07:47.53 | fasta_ | Essentially what I need is a way to put a breakpoint on device access. |
| 07:48.27 | fasta_ | Then I want to see which process initiated that kernel call (if it's not the kernel itself). |
| 07:48.44 | fasta_ | Something like that should be a 3 minute problem to solve. |
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| 07:49.46 | ChrisH | fasta_: is the Disk mounted? ... In Solaris with DTrace it will be a 3min issue, but with Linux I have no real idea to check but. write a while true loop which does fuser on all the disk's device files |
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| 07:50.29 | fasta_ | ChrisH: it is mounted. |
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| 07:51.51 | fasta_ | ChrisH: correction: it is not mounted. |
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| 07:58.35 | ChrisH | fasta_: I assume nothing in any logs during the spin ups. I never had a USB Disk connected but unmounted and unused for a longer time. |
| 07:59.28 | fasta_ | ChrisH: reset high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hc is in my logs |
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| 08:01.56 | fasta_ | ChrisH: seems like a known issue: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg02283.html |
| 08:02.03 | fasta_ | ChrisH: no idea whether it has a solution. |
| 08:02.04 | ChrisH | fasta_: I assume there is a USB Hub in between. |
| 08:02.21 | fasta_ | ChrisH: unless it is internal to the device, no. |
| 08:02.50 | fasta_ | ChrisH:Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub |
| 08:03.09 | fasta_ | ChrisH: that's lsusb output, but I don't have an external hub. |
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| 08:04.40 | ChrisH | I see these messages from time to time on my Desktop, if my USB Hub my Keyboard and Mouse are connected to, does start to hang up. Only suggestion is, replace the USB cable to ensure it does not have connectivity issues. (low probability) |
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| 08:17.28 | iandalton | I am having trouble with upgrading from freshly-installed-squeeze to wheezy so I thought I'd just freshly-install wheezy from the netinst iso. But it won't boot :'( le sigh. |
| 08:17.28 | iandalton | So, what need I do when it complains: "could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'"? I looked at man 5 apt.conf under Immediate-Configure like it said, and I tried apt-get install libgstreamer0.10-0, but it failed with the same error. |
| 08:18.57 | ChrisH | iandalton: Please rephrase your question. Where do you start now? Upgrading squeeze -> wheezy? Installing Wheezy from netinst? |
| 08:19.22 | iandalton | I failed to boot the wheezy netinst, so I'm back to trying to upgrade squeeze to wheezy. |
| 08:19.50 | iandalton | I do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, get the above error |
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| 08:21.24 | ChrisH | iandalton: can you pastebin the complete output. Ask the bot about upgrading procudure |
| 08:22.07 | iandalton | I am following dpkg's instructions on squeeze->wheezy |
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| 08:24.03 | iandalton | http://pastebin.com/snMUzhcP |
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| 08:25.56 | ironcamel | i just installed backports |
| 08:26.03 | ironcamel | how do i upgrade my kernel to 3.2? |
| 08:26.20 | ironcamel | what package do i install? |
| 08:27.47 | ChrisH | iandalton: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=69155 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645713 from a quick 1min google search |
| 08:28.19 | peterrooney | ironcamel: try typing "apt-get install linux-image-" and bouncing on the tab key. |
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| 08:29.14 | ironcamel | peterrooney: i tried that, but i get an error |
| 08:29.16 | ironcamel | about unmet deps |
| 08:29.23 | ironcamel | by the way, this is a brand new install |
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| 08:30.34 | peterrooney | ironcamel: tab completion should have given you a list of available packages |
| 08:32.00 | ironcamel | peterrooney: it did |
| 08:32.06 | ironcamel | and i picked the one i needed |
| 08:32.18 | ironcamel | but then i get an error about unmet dependencies |
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| 08:34.00 | ironcamel | peterrooney: i figured it out |
| 08:34.01 | fasta_ | What does this command do? echo 128 > /sys/block/sdc/device/max_sectors |
| 08:34.13 | ironcamel | for some reason, i needed -t squeeze-backports |
| 08:34.14 | tofad | can you use wine with xfce |
| 08:34.19 | fasta_ | In particular what does writing to max_sectors mean? |
| 08:34.54 | iandalton | ChrisH: ah, now I'm embarrassed. I checked the man pages but not google. |
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| 08:36.21 | ChrisH | iandalton: from a quick scan through the bug, it looks like an issue with upgrade Gnome from 2 -> 3 |
| 08:37.00 | ironcamel | how do i get nvidia drivers on a new debian installation? |
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| 08:37.28 | fasta_ | For USB Mass Storage devices (that is, devices which use the usb-storage driver) max_sectors controls the maximum amount of data that will be transferred |
| 08:37.40 | fasta_ | Where can I find this usb-storage driver? |
| 08:37.52 | fasta_ | lsmod | grep usb doesn't return it. |
| 08:38.20 | fasta_ | Wait, it does return it. |
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| 08:39.10 | fasta_ | But it seems not to be used by the device, i.e. still ehci_ucd is being used instead of usb-storage. |
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| 08:41.10 | sda | hi all, I've a problem with bonding configuration. I defined some bonding interface in my /etc/network/interfaces configuration file w/ bond-miimon parameter sets to 100 (ms). In my kern.log I found this warning messages bonding: Warning: either miimon or arp_interval and arp_ip_target module parameters must be specified, otherwise bonding will not detect link failures! see bonding.txt for details. |
| 08:41.13 | brian98 | Any FS experts here? |
| 08:41.13 | sda | any ideas? |
| 08:41.39 | brian98 | sda: that is just exactly that, a warning message. |
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| 08:42.32 | brian98 | just make sure you don't have bond_miimon 100 and bond_arp_ip_target x.x.x.x |
| 08:42.33 | brian98 | either or. |
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| 08:43.07 | sda | brian98: I've N bond interfaces w/ bond-miimon specified in there |
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| 08:43.16 | gnarface | brian98: FS? |
| 08:43.21 | brian98 | File System. |
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| 08:44.06 | gnarface | brian98: do you need an actual expert, or just someone with practical knowledge of filesystems? |
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| 08:44.35 | brian98 | Practical is good! It's one of the areas I'm weak on. |
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| 08:44.59 | gnarface | brian98: did you have an actual question? also, fyi in case you haven't seen it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems this is pretty handy |
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| 08:46.09 | brian98 | thanks - |
| 08:46.22 | SPF | during dist-upgrade, xmail is stuck at starting because I'm still running my old kernel. Will C-c stop dist-upgrade? What is the best thing to do? |
| 08:46.31 | caraconan | Good morning. apt-get install php5-sqlite is not enough to see 'Sqlite Support enabled' on my phpinfo.php page. Does anybody any clue how to make it work? Thanks |
| 08:47.01 | gnarface | brian98: the "limits" table i've found to be especially useful |
| 08:48.37 | SPF | nevermind, I killed the xmail pids |
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| 08:58.46 | honschu | Hi, I have a armel system and the domain name resolver doesn't work: eg "ping 192.168.1.1" works but "ping www.google.de" doesn't: ping: unknown host google.de |
| 08:59.04 | honschu | /etc/resolv.conf ist configured right |
| 08:59.10 | colo-work | I have an armel system too, and resolving DNS names does work. |
| 08:59.12 | honschu | Can someone help me? |
| 08:59.25 | colo-work | is your nameserver up? |
| 08:59.27 | honschu | How to "debug this" |
| 08:59.28 | honschu | sure |
| 08:59.43 | honschu | I'm using it right now from another computer |
| 08:59.45 | colo-work | does it respond to ICMP ECHO requests? |
| 08:59.53 | colo-work | (from your armel box) |
| 09:00.21 | honschu | ping 192.168.1.10 works |
| 09:00.33 | honschu | 192.168.1.10 is my nameserver |
| 09:00.58 | honschu | I suppose it doesn't event try to contact the nameserver |
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| 09:01.25 | colo-work | strace, tcpdump or wireshark can tell you. |
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| 09:02.02 | ChrisH | honschu: restart or kill nscd; nslookup www.google.de |
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| 09:07.08 | honschu | ChrisH: I don't use nscd. |
| 09:07.28 | honschu | I'm currently trying to use screen inside a minicom-session. but Ctrl+A doesn't work... |
| 09:08.00 | ChrisH | honschu: screen change escape character to eg CTRL-X |
| 09:08.41 | ChrisH | honschu: echo "escape x.screenrc |
| 09:08.46 | ChrisH | honschu: echo "escape x" >> .screenrc |
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| 09:09.28 | SPF | and deleted xmail, doesnt work at all |
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| 09:20.41 | tobi468 | Hi, i want to setup an redundant firewall system with 2 Debian maschines which have conntrackd / keepalived installed. The Keepalived part works fine. For conntrackd I m using the sample configuration file for ftfw. The 2 maschines are only syncing when I disconnect one of the network connections. How can the synchronisation works when the maschine is crashing? thanks |
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| 09:21.31 | honschu | tcpdump -n -i eth0 udp port 53 shows _nothing_ when I do "ping google.de". On my other debian boxes it does show a lot. |
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| 09:22.20 | honschu | colo-work: ping google.de doesn't try to resolv the name. tcpdump showed nothing. |
| 09:23.08 | colo-work | honschu, have you tried strace yet? can you configure hostnames in /etc/hosts? |
| 09:23.46 | ChrisH | honschu: just to make sure, you DNS is working? try: nslookup - 192.168.1.10 |
| 09:24.19 | ChrisH | honschu: Desktop or Server? NetWorkmanager or this ahavia stuff kicking in? |
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| 09:27.57 | honschu | ChrisH: nslookup 192.168.1.10: ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached". but "ping 192.168.1.10 does work". And from any other host "nslookup 192.168.1.10" works. I don't have networkmanager. It's a armel box I debootstrapped. And the ip is configured during kernel-boot by kernel-dhcp. |
| 09:28.48 | honschu | colo-work: Yes, I can configure hostnames in /etc/hosts. I tryied "moon 192.168.1.1" and "ping moon" worked. |
| 09:30.19 | gnugr | honschu:there is also channel #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net for more help with armel |
| 09:30.46 | themill | (this won't be arm-specific) |
| 09:31.39 | honschu | colo-work: gnugr: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 09:37.07 | khem_ | can anyone recommend me of any CLI software that I can send mail from that supports remote MTA that uses SMTP AUTH, maybe SSL etc? |
| 09:37.23 | Agiofws_ | can anyone tell me why k3b sucks so much ? or why it can't burn dvd's ? here is a message with the error (i can't see any error though ) http://codepad.org/x1RXy30v anyone ? |
| 09:37.35 | Agiofws_ | khem_, mutt |
| 09:37.45 | Agiofws_ | and exim i think |
| 09:37.50 | Agiofws_ | procmail ... |
| 09:37.55 | khem_ | Agiofws_: I'd prefer some binary, where I can just run one command |
| 09:37.59 | Agiofws_ | and sendmail |
| 09:38.12 | khem_ | Agiofws_: sendsmtpmail -h <host> -u -p < data or -a data.txt |
| 09:38.13 | Agiofws_ | no you have to set those up one my one :) |
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| 09:39.32 | khem_ | seems like msmtp might be able to do the job |
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| 09:39.44 | khem_ | but , anyway - thanks for the tips - mutt is the best mail client <3 |
| 09:40.24 | colo-work | mutt sucks! |
| 09:40.26 | themill | Agiofws_: k3b seems irrelevant to that |
| 09:40.36 | colo-work | it just sucks less than all the others. |
| 09:41.06 | khem_ | colo-work: why's that? :) |
| 09:41.16 | khem_ | the configruation can be quite troublesome, but when it works I think it's rock solid |
| 09:41.40 | khem_ | used the same config etc, for >8yrs with mutt - never any problems, yet full featured with PGP, Maildirs etc |
| 09:41.46 | colo-work | khem_, check www.mutt.org |
| 09:42.18 | Agiofws_ | khem_, you can send mail from CLI ... if you set up those apps ... |
| 09:42.37 | Agiofws_ | yes but the app i use is k3b |
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| 09:48.13 | Anticom | hi all |
| 09:48.24 | Anticom | i'm trying to install phc php compiler |
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| 09:48.46 | Anticom | now during ./configure it's telling me, that libgc is missing |
| 09:48.54 | Anticom | i can't find it in synaptics |
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| 09:49.04 | Anticom | any ideas where it is located or how it is called under debian |
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| 09:51.10 | deni | anyone use nvidia drivers and has more than 2 monitor? can you please share your xorg.conf |
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| 09:51.12 | deni | ? |
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| 09:54.39 | Agiofws_ | can anyone tell me what wrong with this command ? does debian have a specific way of doing things ? |
| 09:54.42 | Agiofws_ | lapi:/etc# useradd -g burning agiofws |
| 09:54.42 | Agiofws_ | useradd: user 'agiofws' already exists |
| 09:54.54 | Agiofws_ | how do you add a user to a group ? |
| 09:55.07 | themill | adduser username groupname |
| 09:55.15 | Anticom | sorry, i was just too dumb to search the repo properly ;) |
| 09:55.34 | Agiofws_ | ok |
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| 09:55.42 | Agiofws_ | thank you themill |
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| 09:57.05 | Agiofws_ | lapi:/etc# useradd -g athena burning |
| 09:57.05 | Agiofws_ | useradd: user 'burning' already exist |
| 09:57.09 | Agiofws_ | whats going on ? |
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| 09:57.11 | Agiofws_ | lol |
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| 09:57.55 | ChrisH | Agiofws_: what are you trying to do? I assume you want usermod -G |
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| 09:59.29 | everythingWorks | why so many commands don't have manual entries? Didnt i download them? |
| 09:59.34 | caravel | Agiofws_: ChrisH: or usermod -aG (to append to existing group list) |
| 09:59.35 | everythingWorks | like: "fc" or "alias" |
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| 09:59.59 | everythingWorks | like "man alias" -> No manual entry for alias |
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| 10:00.43 | Agiofws_ | add a i want to add a user to a group |
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| 10:01.25 | caravel | Agiofws_: usermod -aG somegroup someuser |
| 10:01.30 | caravel | everythingWorks: info coreutils |
| 10:01.38 | Agiofws_ | cool |
| 10:01.55 | CissWit | everythingWorks: this are functions from your shell, not a programm |
| 10:02.06 | CissWit | look at man bash or man zsh or man whatever shell you use |
| 10:02.06 | everythingWorks | builtins? |
| 10:02.09 | caravel | Agiofws_: usermod --help and man usermod are your friends |
| 10:02.11 | caravel | :) |
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| 10:02.30 | caravel | everythingWorks: yes, well, I think so |
| 10:02.31 | Agiofws_ | lapi:/etc# grep -i burning group |
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| 10:02.31 | Agiofws_ | burning:x:1003:agiofws,athena |
| 10:02.45 | everythingWorks | CissWit: How do i search for manuals of builtins? Im using bash |
| 10:03.01 | CissWit | man bash |
| 10:03.11 | caravel | :D |
| 10:03.13 | ansgar | everythingWorks: bash has a help command. |
| 10:03.18 | caravel | everythingWorks: type ? inside info |
| 10:03.23 | everythingWorks | thought there would be sth more special :/ |
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| 10:03.36 | CissWit | /fc -s |
| 10:03.39 | everythingWorks | currently i see i'm maybe missing the "manpages-dev" package |
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| 10:04.34 | everythingWorks | No, it's installed.. :) |
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| 10:05.43 | everythingWorks | Where exactly may I, as root, check things like this: michael is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 10:05.48 | everythingWorks | Where can i see all reports? |
| 10:07.20 | simonlnu | wherever root's mail ends up... |
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| 10:08.35 | everythingWorks | simonlnu: I don't understand :/ |
| 10:09.40 | Iridos | if you get that message, an email is sent to root |
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| 10:10.23 | Iridos | or you look in /var/log |
| 10:10.28 | Iridos | e.g. /var/log/auth.log |
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| 10:11.50 | everythingWorks | Iridos: Thanks, where can I set the mail? |
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| 10:12.26 | Iridos | root gets the mail |
| 10:13.13 | everythingWorks | Iridos: Yes, but where do i specify the roots mail address? |
| 10:13.15 | Iridos | there's nothing to set as such. You can have someone else get it using /etc/aliases |
| 10:13.50 | everythingWorks | With "the root getting a mail" you just mean that it is logged in e.g. /var/log/auth.log? |
| 10:14.09 | Iridos | no |
| 10:14.11 | everythingWorks | I first assumed something like an email. |
| 10:14.18 | Iridos | the user root gets it in its inbox |
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| 10:14.45 | everythingWorks | It has nothing to do with an actual email, right? |
| 10:15.05 | Iridos | I think you misunderstand the term "actual email", perhaps |
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| 10:15.49 | everythingWorks | Yeah, me too. For which keywords should I google? I want to get familiar with this "mail" system |
| 10:15.54 | Iridos | simonlnu, you're sure this gets an email sent, right? |
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| 10:17.36 | deni | anyone? nvidia, 3+ monitors? |
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| 10:18.20 | Iridos | everythingWorks, on unix machines email is kind of built in... every user has an inbox in /var/spool/mail ... if you have the machine configured as an email server, email coming from outside is delivered there. If not, those are still used for some internal error messages (like cron notoriously sends email) |
| 10:18.29 | simonlnu | Iridos: it send an email yes |
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| 10:18.39 | simonlnu | sends* |
| 10:19.10 | Iridos | I cannot remember I ever checked up on this :) The message suggests it, though |
| 10:19.44 | simonlnu | try it. make a user, try to use sudo, see what happens. |
| 10:20.10 | Iridos | not on this laptop# |
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| 10:20.56 | everythingWorks | yeah, i've received a mail about exactly this incident. :) |
| 10:20.56 | everythingWorks | great! |
| 10:21.09 | Iridos | everythingWorks, so yes... in this case it IS actual email, but maybe not what you think about as actual email |
| 10:21.22 | Iridos | most stuff just ends up in /var/log/* though |
| 10:21.47 | Agiofws_ | hey guys maybe i'm being stupid |
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| 10:22.17 | Agiofws_ | can i write data to A dvd+R |
| 10:22.38 | Agiofws_ | or am i trying effortlessly ? |
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| 10:23.25 | Iridos | perhaps if you draw a "W" behind the "R"? |
| 10:23.59 | Agiofws_ | nope no such thing |
| 10:24.03 | Agiofws_ | he DVD+RW-Tools are used to burn and format DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) media. To enable all K3b DVD burning features version >= 7.0 is required. |
| 10:24.04 | Iridos | just kiddin... the answer is of course "depends" |
| 10:24.21 | everythingWorks | Its actually just /var/mail as /var/spool/mail is a link. |
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| 10:25.32 | Iridos | yes, you can if it's not been written before and the burner can write dvd+r and isn't broken and you installed the correct software and use it correctly |
| 10:26.10 | Iridos | everythingWorks, yes, but I wasn't sure that is also the case on fresh installs.. |
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| 10:28.54 | Agiofws_ | Iridos, |
| 10:28.56 | Agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.56 | Agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.17 | Agiofws_ | i've tried 2 dif. apps and both just don't write to the dvd |
| 10:29.36 | ChrisH | Agiofws_: you can write once if the DVD-burning device is capable. It looks like yours can only burn DVD-R no DVD+R |
| 10:29.41 | everythingWorks | Iridos: Okay. I'm on a fresh install. |
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| 10:33.11 | Iridos | http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html <--- about email |
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| 10:34.50 | Agiofws_ | everythingWorks, how are you sure about that ? |
| 10:35.08 | Agiofws_ | ChrisH, how are you sure about that ? |
| 10:35.14 | everythingWorks | I just installed debian. :) |
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| 10:35.24 | Agiofws_ | cool |
| 10:35.25 | Iridos | Agiofws_, do you see any "dvd+r" in the list? |
| 10:35.29 | ChrisH | 12:28 < Agiofws_> capabilities: dvd dvd-r |
| 10:36.31 | Agiofws_ | Iridos, http://codepad.org/SYab3orw |
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| 10:37.09 | Iridos | you already pasted the important bits |
| 10:37.09 | Madhu | Anyone tell me gammu will fine with Mint? |
| 10:37.30 | Madhu | ? |
| 10:37.44 | Iridos | and it doesn't gain additional abilities just because it's a more verbose listing :) |
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| 10:38.11 | babilen | !tell Madhu -about mint |
| 10:38.17 | ChrisH | Agiofws_: read lines 48-57 from your post again. |
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| 10:39.11 | Madhu | I using Mint. I want to send sms through mobile which conected to comp. |
| 10:39.25 | Madhu | With cable. |
| 10:39.44 | Iridos | we don't use mint, ask n #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 10:39.59 | Madhu | Is it nokia pc suit for mint? |
| 10:40.00 | Agiofws_ | ChrisH, so it won't burn on dvd+r dvd media right ChrisH ? |
| 10:40.11 | Agiofws_ | only dvd-r ? |
| 10:40.26 | ChrisH | Agiofws_: ACK... |
| 10:40.27 | babilen | Agiofws_: yes |
| 10:40.47 | Iridos | ah, I see... a write-only chatter |
| 10:41.15 | Agiofws_ | i can see no + character ... |
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| 10:45.33 | Iridos | hm, that's funny... output for my laptop-cdrom/burner looks similar |
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| 10:46.00 | Iridos | but on the cdrom itself it says "DVD+ReWritable" |
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| 10:48.02 | babilen | Iridos: The latter + might have the semantics of "and" |
| 10:48.28 | ChrisH | Iridos: My Dell had a similar problem and I meanwhile swapped it with simialr drive which was unused in the office. |
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| 11:20.11 | Agiofws | HELLO |
| 11:20.18 | Eninem | HERRO |
| 11:20.24 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.33 | Agiofws | synaptic does not have this package ? |
| 11:20.52 | babilen | Agiofws: No (*long* story) -- just use wodim |
| 11:21.17 | Agiofws | install wodim ? |
| 11:21.27 | Agiofws | and what if k3b needs it ? |
| 11:21.29 | Agiofws | lol |
| 11:21.30 | babilen | That would help if you want to use it. |
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| 11:22.02 | babilen | Agiofws: k3b in Debian does most likely not depend on software that is not in the archive |
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| 11:22.53 | themill | k3b: Depends: ..., wodim |
| 11:22.55 | Agiofws | why is k3b in debians repo when ... other apps that are essential are n ot ... then there no meaning in haveing k3b in the repo |
| 11:23.03 | Agiofws | i have wodim installed |
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| 11:23.36 | gnarface | Agiofws: just make a symlink to wodim from cdrecord. wodim should be reverse compatible |
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| 11:23.44 | babilen | Agiofws: Sorry, I do not understand your first sentence. What is the error you are actually trying to fix? |
| 11:23.51 | Agiofws | lol |
| 11:23.56 | babilen | gnarface: That really shouldn't be necessary |
| 11:24.01 | Agiofws | canot run worker" |
| 11:24.21 | Agiofws | so a guy tells me that you don;t have workers galore ... aka you don;t have cdrecord ... |
| 11:24.35 | gnarface | babilen: well it wasn't for me, but that's because "cdrecord - Dummy transition package for wodim" exists for me... he said he didn't have that so i figured he might not have the symlink either |
| 11:25.27 | themill | gnarface: nothing other than "aptitude install k3b" is required# |
| 11:26.06 | themill | Agiofws: you're really not making any sense... what are you actually trying to do? Is there any updated error message you can show us beyond http://codepad.org/x1RXy30v ? |
| 11:27.31 | Agiofws | i run k3bsetup ... to set up permissions right ... when i click apply i get a kde message saying canot run worker .... a guy in k3b says its that i don;t have cdrecord ... but whats that got to do wioth setting up perms in the permissiosn menu ? thats the case |
| 11:27.52 | Agiofws | alla in all just trying to get data onto a dvd and move on ine my life :) |
| 11:28.07 | themill | Agiofws: I've not needed top run k3bsetup since sarge. It just works out of the box. |
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| 11:29.21 | Agiofws | ok themill look at the screeny burn button not highlighted |
| 11:29.30 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/209483 |
| 11:29.41 | themill | and looking at what k3bsetup proposes to do, I'd suggest it was a very bad idea to do so |
| 11:30.04 | themill | Agiofws: "please insert a suitable medium" |
| 11:30.10 | babilen | Agiofws: "Please insert a suitable medium" -- Is a suitable medium inserted? What kind of blank is it? |
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| 11:30.20 | themill | burning data to air is a little harder |
| 11:30.21 | Agiofws | dvd-R |
| 11:30.50 | Agiofws | so its the medium ? |
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| 11:31.04 | Agiofws | ahm... |
| 11:31.10 | Agiofws | dvd+ |
| 11:31.14 | Agiofws | dvd+ R |
| 11:31.23 | Agiofws | sorry about that |
| 11:31.28 | themill | didn't we establish that your burner can't do that about an hour ago? |
| 11:31.39 | Agiofws | this is another burner though |
| 11:32.19 | babilen | Agiofws: Does this burner have "dvd+r" listed in "Capabilities" if you run "lshw -C disk" ? |
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| 11:34.58 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/C9Gd0cSs |
| 11:35.20 | themill | Agiofws: and what do you conclude from that output? |
| 11:35.45 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/209486 |
| 11:35.49 | Agiofws | no dvd+r |
| 11:35.59 | babilen | Agiofws: So, what is your problem? |
| 11:36.13 | Agiofws | wrong medium ... babilen ? |
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| 11:36.31 | babilen | exactly! |
| 11:36.58 | Agiofws | COOL ! my asumption ... ok new media has arrived :) |
| 11:37.14 | Agiofws | sorry for busting @@ |
| 11:38.27 | babilen | Hmm, it *is* a bit weird that the (KDE?) gui lists "DVD+R" in Read/Write Capabilities though (cf. http://imagebin.org/209486) |
| 11:39.06 | themill | yeah -- it does that on my drive too but lshw disagrees but I'm sure I've burnt dvd+r on it |
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| 11:40.10 | babilen | bins lshw |
| 11:41.29 | ChrisH | thinks he has an Deja-vu |
| 11:41.37 | babilen | hehe |
| 11:42.44 | babilen | Well, the output of "wodim -prcap" matches that of "lshw -C disk" -- No idea if I ever tried to burn a DVD+R on this box or why KDE thinks that Agiofws' drive supports DVD+R |
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| 11:46.06 | ChrisH | babilen: I assume its an issue with wodim, check http://pastebin.com/9TFQAeZm from my drive |
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| 11:47.51 | babilen | ChrisH: Yeah, wodim/lshw are clearly wrong. I get http://paste.debian.net/164844/ but the drive clearly supports DVD+R (cf. http://www.sony-optiarc.eu/products/dvddrivesnotebooks/ad7710h.html) |
| 11:48.03 | babilen | Which raises the question what is wrong with Agiofws |
| 11:48.05 | babilen | err |
| 11:48.33 | babilen | "Which raises the question why Agiofws can't burn" |
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| 11:49.32 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
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| 11:49.46 | ChrisH | babilen: Maybe his drive does really not support +.. Our's are from Sony and that DVD+ stuff is Sony's (and others) idea |
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| 11:50.13 | AlexC_ | What is the purpose of /etc/vim/vimrc.local on Debian? Why would I not just put system-wide config in /etc/vim/vimrc ? |
| 11:50.33 | babilen | ChrisH: Yeah, that might very well be the case, but I am quite disappointed that we do not seem to have a reliable method to establish this. I am also wondering why KDE lists "DVD+R" for Agiofws |
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| 11:51.41 | babilen | AlexC_: You can make local (but system-wide) changes for a host in /etc/vim/vimrc.local that won't affect updates to /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 11:52.38 | babilen | AlexC_: It is essentially the right place for settings that you want to set for all users. By using /etc/vim/vimrc.local and not /etc/vim/vimrc you make sure that updates to /etc/vim/vimrc can still be installed without problems |
| 11:52.54 | babilen | (i.e. the need to merge your changes/...) |
| 11:53.43 | AlexC_ | babilen: Ok, so lets say the settings already in there that mention it should be uncommented to enable (syntax highlighting etc), should I go ahead an uncomment or simply add it to vimrc.local instead? |
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| 11:55.24 | AlexC_ | babilen: I'm managing all this with Puppet, hence my confusion as to what to actually edit. If I'm keeping /etc/vim/vimrc in puppet anyway, then I can ignore vimrc.local |
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| 11:57.52 | babilen | AlexC_: I would use /etc/vim/vimrc.local for any changes, but that is rather a question of style than necessity |
| 11:57.55 | ChrisH | babilen: bootet my Laptop which does burn everything... same output. missing + |
| 11:58.07 | AlexC_ | babilen: Ok, thank you |
| 11:58.51 | babilen | ChrisH: Splendid :( |
| 12:00.19 | ChrisH | babilen: more strange, since yesterdays dist-upgrade it does no longer hibernate when closing the lid |
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| 12:18.16 | Agiofws | babilen, i would just like to mention that i bought another set of dvd+r's but another vendor/make and it worked ... so some guy has made a mistake along the way of producing these ... dvd mediums |
| 12:18.47 | babilen | Agiofws: Probably :-/ -- Good to know that it worked out eventually. |
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| 13:26.16 | Hui_Nan | hi all |
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| 13:28.40 | ksk | ehteral, or what its named nowaday |
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| 13:29.43 | ksk | jap :) |
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| 13:35.33 | ksk | i got problems mounting an usbstick, which worked a day ago and i did not change anything of course ;) |
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| 14:06.54 | ksk | nkuttler: no such file... thanks for that hint, ill dig that zup.. |
| 14:06.59 | ksk | s/sup/up/ |
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| 14:08.52 | nkuttler | ksk: sounds like a non-debian kernel |
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| 14:09.10 | JordiGH | Any Debianish way to manage Django modules that are not packaged? |
| 14:09.17 | ksk | nkuttler: sounds like testing |
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| 14:38.08 | somiaj | JordiGH: how are they installed normally (src installs)? You could package them yourself, or if they go in /usr/local look into stow |
| 14:38.28 | JordiGH | They're kinda generic Python packages. |
| 14:38.37 | JordiGH | I don't do enough Python source install to know what's generic. |
| 14:38.39 | JordiGH | Some of them are eggs. |
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| 14:39.01 | somiaj | do they have a Makefile for using that way to install them, or do they use their own method? |
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| 14:39.49 | JordiGH | idk, Python. I know you're trying to be helpful, but I can figure out this stuff you're asking about on my own. I was hoping someone experienced with Python source packaging and installation could give me some insights. |
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| 14:41.29 | JordiGH | I guess I could write some dh-make-python that works for eggs akin to dh-make-perl for CPAN modules. I'm just curious if someone else hasn't already done this. |
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| 14:44.15 | JordiGH | I was just hoping someone else had already written dh-make-python or knew why it was too difficult to write. :-) |
| 14:44.38 | somiaj | JordiGH: well I found some policy, http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ap-packaging_tools.html |
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| 14:45.18 | JordiGH | Yeah, I've found that. It's a bit cumbersome. I have to write the debian/ directory and add stuff there myself. |
| 14:45.19 | themill | JordiGH: the python modules team have a reasonably page on the wiki that shows how to use dh_python2 for this. If it's a simple enough module using distutils/setuputils stuff then it's easy enough |
| 14:45.37 | tharkun | Good $TIME, How do I tell aptitude not to upgrade all the packages i told it could? I accidentally logged into the wrong server :S |
| 14:46.13 | somiaj | what part of the upgrade process are you in. If you are still just downloading packages you can ctrl-C with no major reprocusions |
| 14:46.16 | somiaj | tharkun: ^^ |
| 14:46.27 | JordiGH | themill: Why isn't it just a single bash command like dh-make-perl? |
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| 14:46.39 | JordiGH | I guess you mean this? http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2 |
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| 14:47.30 | tharkun | somiaj: well i selected all the packages to be downloaded but i did not tell it to dowload yet. I just want aptitude to forget what i told it. |
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| 14:49.06 | themill | JordiGH: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging#Example_1:_Python_extension |
| 14:49.24 | JordiGH | !info python-stdeb |
| 14:49.50 | dpkg | python-stdeb: (Python to Debian source package conversion utility), section python, is optional. Version: 0.6.0+20100620-2 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 14:50.01 | JordiGH | Excellent. |
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| 14:50.16 | JordiGH | themill: That's what I was looking for --^ |
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| 14:51.36 | themill | JordiGH: as I said, that relies on a sensible setup.py and you may well have to manage generating documentation or whatever yourself. Many python modules will still be in the "some polishing required" box after using py2dsc (just a many perl modules are, tbf) |
| 14:51.56 | JordiGH | Yeah, that's ok, I'm not trying to make real packages here. |
| 14:52.08 | JordiGH | I just don't want to use 5 different package managers to figure out what I'm installing. |
| 14:52.17 | themill | sure |
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| 14:56.53 | seeergiu-dev | defenitly opera is better then chrome |
| 14:57.16 | Dulak | If slower is better, sure. |
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| 14:57.38 | SomeoneWeird | haha |
| 14:57.39 | seeergiu-dev | it's closed-source, it means that it's better |
| 14:57.47 | seeergiu-dev | :) |
| 14:57.47 | SomeoneWeird | LOL. |
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| 14:58.05 | CissWit | so is chrome |
| 14:59.02 | seeergiu-dev | on windows.. |
| 14:59.12 | SomeoneWeird | and on everything else |
| 14:59.23 | Dulak | To be fair most of chrome is not closed, it's based on chromium which is open. |
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| 14:59.36 | SomeoneWeird | ya |
| 14:59.39 | SomeoneWeird | but still |
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| 15:00.07 | Dulak | I'm not arguing for closed software, just pointing out that one is entirely closed, the other is not. |
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| 15:07.03 | Aivaras | Hello, my vps afer update now auto compleats for files and directories if I type * - how to get rid of it? its anoying... |
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| 15:07.56 | Woet | Aivaras: excuse me? |
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| 15:09.15 | Aivaras | Woet, if I type cp dir/* it auto adds all the files from that dir in shell, while I want to see it like cp dir/* |
| 15:09.39 | Woet | Aivaras: I'm not sure what you've done, which debian version are you running? |
| 15:09.42 | fasta_ | Is there a way to get all the open tabs in chrome as command output on my shell? |
| 15:09.58 | fasta_ | Or chromium, same thing. |
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| 15:10.22 | Aivaras | Woet, its 6.0 from my providers image. |
| 15:10.40 | Woet | Aivaras: debian squeeze does not do that by default |
| 15:10.55 | Aivaras | So how to turn that of? |
| 15:10.59 | themill | Aivaras: can you put some more details and output in a pstebin? |
| 15:11.02 | Woet | Aivaras: can you pastebin |
| 15:11.02 | Woet | yea |
| 15:11.04 | Woet | damn you themill |
| 15:11.16 | Aivaras | ok one second |
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| 15:13.35 | Aivaras | http://pastebin.com/w4pZw2Fy Woet themill |
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| 15:14.09 | themill | Aivaras: what do you mean by "transfers"? It just automagically expands? |
| 15:14.15 | Woet | Aivaras: sounds like you're using something other than bash, ask your provider to provide you with a proper image? |
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| 15:14.19 | Aivaras | exacly! |
| 15:14.26 | Rokixz_ | hi, how can I add mp4 and ogg headers into apache2? I've tried addtype, no luck, please help me :) |
| 15:14.49 | Aivaras | echo $SHELL says /bin/bash |
| 15:16.02 | themill | Aivaras: so you hit * and it instantly becomes something else? or do you need to hit something first? |
| 15:16.24 | Aivaras | themill, yes, just press * |
| 15:16.41 | themill | Aivaras: perhaps ask in #bash if there's some strange shopt option that you've twiddled. |
| 15:17.01 | Aivaras | themill, I will try - thanks. |
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| 15:28.30 | GNU\colossus | why does my sources.list line read "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free", and not, for instance, "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
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| 15:28.40 | GNU\colossus | (what does "/updates" mean in that context?) |
| 15:28.50 | themill | security updates |
| 15:29.12 | themill | (and squeeze-updates is different to squeeze/updates and both, conveniently, exist) |
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| 15:29.38 | GNU\colossus | yeah, I'm aware that this is what the repo contains. so how do squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates differ in content then? |
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| 15:30.27 | themill | GNU\colossus: squeeze-updates used to be known as volatile. Apparently "volatile" was too confusing so it got renamed to something less... confusing... |
| 15:31.15 | GNU\colossus | themill, ok, i do know the purpose of volatile for lenny. but what is the purpose of "squeeze/updates" then? why isn't it just "squeeze" for the security repos? |
| 15:31.28 | GNU\colossus | (is there a seperate "squeeze" security repo anyway?) |
| 15:31.33 | themill | no |
| 15:31.33 | GNU\colossus | *head explodes* |
| 15:32.03 | jelly | GNU\colossus: "foo/updates" path is used on security.debian.org and probably nowhere else |
| 15:32.44 | jelly | GNU\colossus: and you haven't even been taught about squeeze-proposed-updates yet |
| 15:32.54 | GNU\colossus | jelly, I see. so it's just a matter of fact that this was chosen as the path's name for that specific archive. no master-plan behind that move. |
| 15:32.56 | jelly | ^_^ |
| 15:32.57 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
| 15:33.10 | themill | GNU\colossus: using the same suite name for different repos would prevent mirroring it in other places |
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| 15:33.48 | jelly | GNU\colossus: the master plan is obviously to make the repo layout as confusing as possible, thus resulting in JOB SECURITY for ftp masters |
| 15:34.18 | themill | (although I'm not aware of any mirrors that mix squeeze and squeeze/updates like that, it would be feasible with that layout) |
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| 15:34.32 | GNU\colossus | themill, you mean if the repo on security were just named "squeeze", then updates from that repo wouldn't be picked up by apt if there were another repo with the same name? |
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| 15:36.06 | themill | GNU\colossus: more that the files wouldn't be able to coexist on the mirror at all if they were just called "squeeze". |
| 15:36.19 | themill | other than that, "historical reasons" that probably made sense at the time |
| 15:36.25 | GNU\colossus | ah, ok. |
| 15:36.49 | GNU\colossus | so if a mirror were to mirror both vanilla squeeze and the security archive for squeeze, that would cause trouble |
| 15:36.58 | GNU\colossus | (asking to confirm I understood the reason there) |
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| 15:37.26 | themill | if they both wanted to use /debian/dists/squeeze, yes. |
| 15:38.10 | GNU\colossus | thanks. |
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| 15:40.06 | themill | GNU\colossus: I guess there's also an element of providing human-readable information in it too -- we can see whether something is a full mirror (squeeze) or only for security updates (squeeze/updates) without having to check out the repo ourselves |
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| 15:48.53 | ElGrotto | has someone been putting jokes in debian? very funny, how do I get my normal 'n' back? :S |
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| 15:49.19 | themill | DCCs ElGrotto a pile of nnnnnnnnnn |
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| 15:50.04 | themill | they're under the WTFPL, feel free to copy and paste them at will. |
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| 15:50.27 | ElGrotto | if only I were not being serious :( |
| 15:50.32 | ElGrotto | hold on let me screen shot. |
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| 15:52.36 | secret_hamster | I'm need of some newbie san administrator help with squeeze. As in initial methods of configuring connecting to a san. |
| 15:53.05 | secret_hamster | I've got the OS installed locally, I've installed the firmware, drivers are loaded. And now I'm frankly lost |
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| 15:53.21 | secret_hamster | I'm seeing a deal of papers about multipath, but I s |
| 15:53.58 | secret_hamster | imply need to figure out how to attach to a SAN LUN I've prepared just to check everything is working |
| 15:54.04 | secret_hamster | any pointers? |
| 15:56.22 | jelly | secret_hamster: you need to first configure the SAN switches for correct zoning, so that each SAN client (server) sees the storage controller. Second, you need to configure the SAN storage to present the correct LUNs to correct client(s). |
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| 15:57.52 | ElGrotto | http://static.inky.ws/image/1851/image.jpg -- okay how do I restore my n's. I'm trying to get some serious work done :-S |
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| 15:57.56 | secret_hamster | jelly, if we presume that is done correctly, what do I need to configure on the linux side. how do I get the hba to go seek out those luns |
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| 15:58.48 | jelly | secret_hamster: oh that. echo 1 >> /sys/class/fc_host/hostWHICHEVER/issue_lip |
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| 15:59.24 | karlpinc | jelly: This is interesting. Where do I rtfm? |
| 15:59.37 | jelly | karlpinc: the storage vendor's linux docs |
| 15:59.49 | secret_hamster | thanks jelly |
| 15:59.57 | secret_hamster | I'll try that then bother you some more |
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| 16:00.49 | karlpinc | jelly: For the echo.... also? |
| 16:01.16 | karlpinc | jelly: (It's always their drivers?) |
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| 16:01.57 | aminpy | how can I identify graphic card type? |
| 16:02.09 | karlpinc | aminpy: lspci -nn |
| 16:02.16 | karlpinc | !tell aminpy about pciid |
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| 16:04.05 | aminpy | thanks |
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| 16:05.06 | jelly | karlpinc: there's probably some documentation for fc and scsi linux stuff, but I don't remember the reference |
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| 16:07.15 | jelly | karlpinc: it's not (just) the drivers, but there are specific configurations for each storage model that may or may not be present in the distro. Each new release of kernel and multipath-tools incorporates more of those quirks so you don't have to do them manually, but the first place to look for correct configuration is always the hw vendor |
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| 16:08.30 | Darkasakerionz | Hello, an #Offtopic question, I wanna to purchase a cheap cheap notebook, around $120, anyone can help me? |
| 16:08.41 | jordanm | !ot |
| 16:08.42 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 16:08.47 | jelly | Darkasakerionz: try ##hardware |
| 16:09.04 | Darkasakerionz | Thanks jelly |
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| 16:10.25 | wij | how do i get "strings" installed? |
| 16:11.15 | jordanm | ,file /usr/bin/strings |
| 16:11.19 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/strings in squeeze/i386: binutils: usr/bin/strings; binutils-multiarch: usr/bin/strings |
| 16:11.29 | themill | (apt-file is your friend) |
| 16:11.31 | jordanm | wij: installed by default |
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| 16:11.54 | themill | binutils is P:optional |
| 16:12.17 | jordanm | yeah, I just saw that.. thought it was standard, i was mistaken |
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| 16:12.26 | passstab | http://paste.debian.net/164903/ |
| 16:12.33 | passstab | any ideas? |
| 16:12.34 | themill | yeah, it's always surprising that strings is hidden away like that |
| 16:13.21 | ElGrotto | okay, let me try this again. my "n" characters in terminal, applications using the system font, etc, all seem to have magically rotated themselves. I would very much like them back the right way round. Any ideas please? Screenshot: http://static.inky.ws/image/1851/image.jpg |
| 16:14.14 | themill | ElGrotto: is this only in gtk applications? |
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| 16:15.34 | ElGrotto | I don't know which applications are gtk.. it does affect terminal, meld, and some browser windows. does not affect xchat, or the gnome menus/taskbar# |
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| 16:16.13 | ElGrotto | interestingly in the gnome web browser, https://bugs.gentoo.org/122208?id=122208 IS affected but http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=3 is NOT. |
| 16:16.25 | ElGrotto | (they're just links I was looking at to solve a bug) |
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| 16:16.38 | ElGrotto | but it seems to have done this magically overnight, when I went to bed it was fine. |
| 16:16.47 | pl | Hello. I'm experiencing some problems with packages.debian.org: the "Search the contents of packages" doesn't work. Is this a known issue? |
| 16:16.57 | passstab | anyone who can help me with alsa problem? |
| 16:17.00 | aminpy | how can I find my graphic card is not installed? |
| 16:17.02 | passstab | http://paste.debian.net/164903/ |
| 16:17.21 | ElGrotto | graphics card: lspci -v |
| 16:17.49 | e_ | hm, can i tell the dhclient to ignore the DNS settings and not overwrite the resolv.conf in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:18.40 | Timmy | when will debian be friezed? |
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| 16:19.01 | jordanm | e_: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf - remove domain-name-servers, domain-search |
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| 16:19.31 | e_ | jordanm: thanks, i will check that |
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| 16:19.55 | e_ | that file is empty, so i take it you meant i should write "remove ... " in there? |
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| 16:20.11 | themill | Timmy: /msg dpkg wwwr |
| 16:20.14 | BW^- | i want to install boost_date_time 1.34.1 (=the version from etch i think) incl -dev on a squeeze machine, what's easiest way to do this? |
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| 16:21.17 | karlpinc | BW^-: Get the source package from archives.debian.org and recompile it. Or that's what I'd do. |
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| 16:21.51 | themill | boost is a bit of a beast... that's unlikely to work out well |
| 16:21.52 | jordanm | I wouldn't recommend installing the older package. you probably want to compile it to some alternate location, to keep the existing libboost |
| 16:22.20 | slikts | why does passwd(1) lie! the manpage says a locked password doesn't prevent from logging in with a ssh key, but it does |
| 16:22.41 | slikts | when I use passwd -l user, I can't ssh in using a key, but when I set a password I can ssh |
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| 16:22.56 | ElGrotto | themill: I'm gonna try rebooting, and if that doesn't work, apt-get update and upgrade everything, and if that doesn't work I'm going to scream loudly. brb |
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| 16:23.38 | slikts | how to lock user password while still allowing ssh login with key? |
| 16:23.44 | karlpinc | slikts: Depends on how pam is configured, or so I imagine. You could file a bug report about the man page. |
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| 16:24.49 | slikts | karlpinc: I have UsePAM no in sshd_config |
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| 16:24.55 | slikts | "UsePAM no" |
| 16:24.56 | karlpinc | slikts: You probably want PasswordAuthentication no in sshd_config. |
| 16:25.04 | slikts | it's set to no already |
| 16:25.11 | karlpinc | slikts: Did you restart the daemon? |
| 16:25.14 | slikts | yes |
| 16:26.29 | e_ | jordanm: can i do that in /etc/network/interfaces somehow? |
| 16:26.32 | karlpinc | slikts: If users don't have physical access then you can enable the accounts in /etc/passwd. |
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| 16:26.36 | jordanm | slikts: if the user is root, you can just use PermitRootLogin without-password |
| 16:26.41 | jordanm | e_: no |
| 16:26.47 | e_ | jordanm: poking around in the dhclient.conf from puppet seems like a bit of a hassle |
| 16:26.55 | e_ | since there is no augeas lense for it |
| 16:26.56 | e_ | damn |
| 16:27.09 | jordanm | e_: what makes it difficult from puppet? |
| 16:27.09 | slikts | jordanm: no it's not root |
| 16:27.26 | jordanm | e_: add the conf file to a module on the puppet master and done |
| 16:27.40 | e_ | yeah if all machines used the same dhclient.conf that would work great |
| 16:27.49 | jordanm | e_: what makes the differ? |
| 16:27.56 | abrotman | pupet can do just a single host or regex match |
| 16:27.58 | slikts | karlpinc: it's a user that only should access the machine with a ssh key and shouldn't have a pasword |
| 16:28.09 | e_ | some don't need it modified.. some may have local changes |
| 16:28.32 | e_ | generally all the reasons why people prefer to use augeas to modify stuff in config files.. |
| 16:28.33 | jordanm | unknown local changes kind of defeats the purpose of puppet |
| 16:28.37 | slikts | as usual, as soon as I try to do anything, everything falls apart in a confusing way |
| 16:28.43 | karlpinc | slikts: Did you check the server logs to be sure your changes were accepted? Then use the Match directive in sshd_config to lock out the one user and leave everybody else alone. |
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| 16:29.03 | e_ | jordanm: not necessarily |
| 16:29.17 | e_ | jordanm: but this is becoming a discussion besides the point.. |
| 16:29.38 | slikts | karlpinc: sshd is set to only accept keys for all users and that's how I want it, it just doens't work if a password for a user is locked (passwd -l) |
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| 16:30.23 | slikts | I even tried to change it to allow empty passwords, it does nothing as expected |
| 16:30.26 | karlpinc | slikts: In general that's supposed to lock out the account entirely, not just lock them out of the use of a password. |
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| 16:30.40 | slikts | karlpinc: that's not what the manpage for passwd -l says |
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| 16:30.48 | slikts | it specifically states that it doesn't lock it out entirely |
| 16:31.07 | slikts | and specifically mentions ssh keys as an alternate mechanism that should still work |
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| 16:31.26 | karlpinc | slikts: But you've turned off pam, so the sshd is going stright to the passwd file and using only that for control. |
| 16:31.32 | aminpy | how can I install Graphic Card -> http://dpaste.com/736898/ |
| 16:32.03 | slikts | hmm, but I don't want pam since I only use keys for login |
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| 16:32.55 | karlpinc | slikts: But you want to have some sort of database of users. Pam is simply a more general way of doing this than just using /etc/passwd or nsswitch. |
| 16:33.02 | slikts | passwd -l locks the friggin password, and sshd is set not to use passwords but keys, so I don't get why locking the password would affect ssh logins |
| 16:33.23 | slikts | karlpinc: why do I want it? |
| 16:33.26 | jordanm | it doesn't unless you also removed their valid shell |
| 16:33.38 | karlpinc | slikts: passwd -l locks the use of the /etc/passwd file for authenticating that user. |
| 16:34.03 | slikts | yes, passwd -l just adds junk to the password so it never works |
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| 16:34.20 | slikts | so why would sshd try to use the password for login |
| 16:34.38 | karlpinc | slikts: You could also turn up the verbosity of sshd and see what it thinks it's doing in the logs. |
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| 16:35.15 | slikts | I didn't know you can change verbosity for sshd, only for client |
| 16:35.27 | slikts | client works fine and sends the key, I checked that with -vvv |
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| 16:39.29 | slikts | instead of locking the password I'll just set it to something long >> |
| 16:39.32 | slikts | this really sucks |
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| 16:49.01 | dondelelcaro | slikts: why in the world wouldn't you want pam? |
| 16:49.24 | dondelelcaro | slikts: if you don't want to allow passwords, set PasswordAuthentication to no. |
| 16:49.35 | slikts | dondelelcaro: why the fuck would I WANT pam if I log in using publickeys? |
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| 16:49.56 | dondelelcaro | slikts: because pam handles all of the session set up, tear down, limits, etc. |
| 16:49.59 | jordanm | slikts: PAM does other things, such as impose ulimits |
| 16:50.06 | dondelelcaro | pam does *far* more than just authenticate users |
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| 16:50.35 | slikts | so how is it that sshd works perfectly fine without it except for this case? |
| 16:50.50 | dondelelcaro | slikts: because sshd is designed to work even if pam isn't there |
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| 16:51.58 | Sean-Der | I use shorewall on my server for IP masquerading. Does anyone know a decent GUI for the same thing? I find myself always doing this randomly off my laptop. |
| 16:52.08 | Ryccardo | What would be the best way to sync the local "mail"box with an IMAPS account? |
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| 16:52.16 | dondelelcaro | Ryccardo: offlineimap |
| 16:52.16 | slikts | dondelelcaro: so I'd prefer to have pam off in case it can be exploited somehow |
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| 16:52.43 | dondelelcaro | slikts: why? if you've got passwords off, the most pam will do is not allow someone who would have been allowed otherwise. |
| 16:53.06 | dondelelcaro | slikts: your specific problem that you're having is because sshd doesn't implement pam_unix.so. |
| 16:53.12 | BW^- | karlpinc: do you see which file i need to download from there in order to get the source? i tried getting boost 1.34.1 from boost's page and compiling it, fails, huh, very funny. |
| 16:53.16 | dondelelcaro | (well, from what I can tell; I haven't bothered to read the entire backlog) |
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| 16:54.53 | JyZyXEL | were udev rules first or last match based? |
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| 16:56.44 | BW^- | (a bit ot:) may there be incompatibilities between g++ 4.4.5-compiled libraries and g++ 4.3.5-compiled applications ? |
| 16:56.49 | BW^- | ..that lead to sigsegv |
| 16:56.58 | tremon | JyZyXEL: they are additive, with later entries overriding earlier values |
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| 17:00.17 | slikts | dondelelcaro: the auth logs say "User not allowed because account is locked" |
| 17:00.43 | slikts | so it apparently just checks for some stupid reason if the "account is locked", even though passwd -l means locking the password |
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| 17:01.17 | slikts | and it doesn't do this with pam |
| 17:01.25 | Aivaras | Is Debian or Cent OS better for web server? |
| 17:01.40 | nsadmin | Aivaras no |
| 17:01.46 | slikts | Aivaras: yes |
| 17:02.05 | Aivaras | 1:1 |
| 17:02.10 | nsadmin | and there you have it two opinions! thanks for playing! |
| 17:02.15 | nsadmin | now, one moreL |
| 17:02.22 | nsadmin | dpkg, gender? |
| 17:02.23 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 17:02.31 | Aivaras | :DD |
| 17:02.32 | slikts | gay is not agender |
| 17:02.34 | Alam_Squeeze | heh |
| 17:02.46 | Eninem | dpkg is gay? |
| 17:02.48 | dpkg | Eninem: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 17:03.42 | Aivaras | Irc bots are awesome. Wait. Bots are awesome, nomatter where :D |
| 17:03.43 | nsadmin | seriously, either will work just fine as web server |
| 17:04.13 | nsadmin | let's check dpkg's thoughts... |
| 17:04.18 | slikts | at least in game bots are usually not that awesome |
| 17:04.19 | nsadmin | dpkg, bot? |
| 17:04.19 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 17:05.22 | Aivaras | slikts, dude they are AI. They are awesome. |
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| 17:05.40 | nsadmin | Aivaras, debian (and cent I guess) can do web service and a lot more |
| 17:05.49 | slikts | Aivaras: they are so not awesome that "bot" is a derogatory term for bad players |
| 17:06.15 | slikts | Aivaras: whatever you do avoid the Debilian distro, it's the evil twin of debian |
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| 17:07.01 | nsadmin | avoid debillian cause it's reptillian |
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| 17:07.16 | slikts | I like debian more for servers since it's closer to my debian-based desktop distro |
| 17:07.17 | nsadmin | I never heard of debillian |
| 17:07.29 | Delf | Are there any backports for transmission in squeeze? |
| 17:07.46 | Aivaras | oh well i will take debian for it. ;) Thanks. But I had never used cent os... I think I will make a vbox with it to play.. |
| 17:07.48 | nsadmin | , versions transmission |
| 17:07.49 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; sid: 2.51-1; wheezy: 2.51-1 |
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| 17:08.24 | Delf | the sid/wheezy one I want |
| 17:08.25 | themill | (not very backportable) |
| 17:08.31 | Delf | :( |
| 17:08.40 | Aivaras | slikts, What are you using for desktop? |
| 17:08.43 | Delf | They did this to us, didn't they? |
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| 17:08.50 | slikts | Aivaras: Linux |
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| 17:09.10 | nsadmin | Delf, where are they?! |
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| 17:09.25 | Delf | nsadmin: Transmission devs? |
| 17:09.36 | Aivaras | slikts, You said debian based... So what distro? Don't everyone uses linux in this chanel? |
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| 17:10.04 | slikts | Aivaras: some use minix |
| 17:10.04 | slikts | we don't talk about them |
| 17:10.04 | nsadmin | oh, -who- are they? and what did they did? |
| 17:10.15 | Delf | nsadmin: They did transmission not backportable? |
| 17:10.22 | Delf | I don't know who they are.. |
| 17:10.30 | slikts | my distro rhymes with "noob" |
| 17:11.07 | nsadmin | let's ask the source of the comment... themill, why do you say it's not very backportable? |
| 17:11.51 | slikts | also, the primary my distro brands itself is the color of shit |
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| 17:11.53 | themill | ,checkbackport transmission |
| 17:11.57 | judd | Backporting package transmission in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev, libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808). |
| 17:11.58 | slikts | can you guess which one is that |
| 17:12.01 | nsadmin | boob? toob? goob? |
| 17:12.19 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 17:12.23 | themill | nsadmin: take a look at that list... only the qt4* package is due to package rearrangement within debian |
| 17:12.28 | Delf | Oh god.. put me down. |
| 17:12.35 | themill | dpkg, kill Delf |
| 17:12.36 | dpkg | rips off Delf's balls with his teeth |
| 17:12.41 | themill | close enough |
| 17:12.43 | Delf | outch! |
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| 17:12.56 | themill | nsadmin: you can ask judd about that in a /msg too -- that's how I knew |
| 17:12.58 | Aivaras | Does dpkg have different expresions for killing? |
| 17:13.23 | themill | Aivaras: many. Feel free to /msg dpkg kill me |
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| 17:13.34 | slikts | also, my distro are so coll that they regularly break the most basic functionality, last thing they broke was window resizing, now the resize band on every window is just 1px and clicking on it is very annoying |
| 17:13.50 | Delf | I was thinking more like taking me to the vet and putting me down with a needle. |
| 17:13.51 | slikts | I don't know if they did it themselves or just accepted bad changes from upstream gnome |
| 17:14.16 | themill | dpkg, fix Delf |
| 17:14.17 | dpkg | takes Delf to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 17:14.28 | Delf | :D |
| 17:14.30 | slikts | Aivaras: can you guess which distro it is yet? |
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| 17:14.38 | Delf | is dpkg an AI? |
| 17:14.54 | allorder_ | yes |
| 17:14.55 | Aivaras | slikts, After you said that it is with gnome I am not interested any more :D |
| 17:15.01 | nsadmin | in a vague sense sure,,, it's an infobot |
| 17:15.13 | Delf | Why did it mention vet? |
| 17:15.26 | slikts | Aivaras: I don't actually use gnome, though, just elements of it like the control panels |
| 17:15.46 | slikts | because this distro is SO cool they have not just one, but two custom window managers |
| 17:15.50 | Aivaras | Why would you need control panel in linux? :) |
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| 17:16.08 | slikts | Aivaras: for things like configuring displays |
| 17:16.09 | damacus | dpkg, versions terminator |
| 17:16.09 | dpkg | no idea, damacus |
| 17:16.24 | damacus | oh, that was judd. |
| 17:16.34 | slikts | configuring displays manually: epic pai |
| 17:16.36 | slikts | *pain |
| 17:16.43 | Aivaras | slikts, "sudo nvidia-settings" works for me :D |
| 17:16.53 | slikts | I don't have nvidia gpus |
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| 17:17.23 | Aivaras | slikts, please tell that it is intel, not radeon :D |
| 17:17.43 | slikts | it's intel and amd as well |
| 17:18.09 | Aivaras | slikts, Does switching works propertly? |
| 17:18.18 | slikts | sometimes things work |
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| 17:18.50 | slikts | it's not uncommon to get sort of "fireworks" instead of the desktop though |
| 17:18.58 | slikts | after which I need to powercycle |
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| 17:19.07 | Aivaras | I had once HP laptop with radeon and intel for testing, so I could launch only intel or only radeon :D |
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| 17:22.18 | Aivaras | btw, anyone may use nvidia and have laptop with ext display and some sort of detection whitch one xorg config to load? (just laptop screen/ laptop screen + ext/ just ext ) |
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| 17:30.56 | hatseflats | anyone know how default mutt on debian figures out what sendmail program to use? |
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| 17:44.01 | znull | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.03 | znull | why? |
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| 17:44.38 | themill | dpkg: tell znull about bat |
| 17:45.22 | znull | http://paste.debian.net/164938/ |
| 17:45.28 | themill | znull: (a) use aptitude instead of apt-get if you are not already, (b) can we see the full output including the command you gave and (c) the output of "apt-cache policy libmagickwand-dev libmagickcore-dev " will be interesting to see |
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| 17:45.58 | znull | http://paste.debian.net/164940/ |
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| 17:46.53 | nsadmin | if a package has a program that interacts with a web site which, say, causes the browser to crash, would that be considered "one package affecting another adversely"? |
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| 17:48.57 | znull | themill : any clues? |
| 17:49.35 | themill | znull: aptitude tends to produce better error messages too (as well as often working out things like this for itself). Can you try "aptitude install libmagickwand-dev libmagickcore-dev" ? |
| 17:49.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: sounds like just a browser bug .. you can tell them the background, but PackageA won't be able to fix the website or the browser? |
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| 17:50.56 | znull | themill : http://paste.debian.net/164942/ |
| 17:51.12 | nsadmin | packageA could use a different site that has the same purpose but does not later crash a browser |
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| 17:52.16 | nsadmin | in case you haven't guessed yet, this is pastebinit and its default of pastebin.com |
| 17:52.22 | themill | znull: ahh... libfreetype6-dev from backports. There you go. Adding "-t squeeze-backports" to that aptitude line might be enough. |
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| 17:52.44 | themill | nsadmin: pastebinit doesn't crash iceweasel for me..., it's just a slow PoS. |
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| 17:54.46 | nsadmin | true, me neither, but it does crash konq (not completely, it's not like a segfault, it puts up a dialog box that says "I crashed, want to send a report" |
| 17:55.50 | nsadmin | and it doesn't directly crash it either, but the url that someone else would later go to might |
| 17:55.55 | themill | nsadmin: get rid of flash |
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| 17:56.15 | gnarface | hey guys if i run cruft and it says say for example /usr/lib/apt 's presence is "unexplained" even though the apt package IS installed - does that mean it thinks these are not the files that came out of the package? is cruft that smart? |
| 17:57.43 | nsadmin | but I love watching stuff like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE0qLKHnflo&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y26Jce7JE0 |
| 17:58.23 | nsadmin | so you're saying it's flash on konq that's causing the actual problem? |
| 17:58.25 | themill | nsadmin: or configure some sort of flashblock for pastebin |
| 17:58.25 | themill | yes |
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| 17:59.17 | nsadmin | so the criticalness (affects other package) is not every case |
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| 18:01.38 | BW^- | where can I find the sourcecode file for libboost_date_time 1.34.1 that was used in some debian distro (i think etch)? i want to install it on squeeze |
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| 18:02.21 | tremon | BW^-: archive.debian.org |
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| 18:03.02 | dutchfish | BW^-, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libboost-date-time-dev ? |
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| 18:03.31 | BW^- | tremon,dutchfish: maybe i should look into the backports? |
| 18:03.40 | BW^- | dutchfish: yes but 1.34.1, that's 1.42.0.1 |
| 18:03.54 | BW^- | aha, here we go http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libboost-date-time1.34.1 |
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| 18:04.31 | nsadmin | BW^-, what has you not wanting the squeeze one? |
| 18:04.56 | BW^- | nsadmin: i have a funny sigsegv bug in an app, the only thing between the old box and the new box seems to be the boost version |
| 18:05.14 | BW^- | nsadmin: other than that, same debian version, and all other dependency libs same (minor diff in openssl that's a dep but not used afaik..) |
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| 18:06.42 | gnarface | ,files update-rc.d |
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| 18:07.15 | nsadmin | BW^-, interesting... if it's a lib call, you may be able to find it using strace |
| 18:07.32 | BW^- | nsadmin: tried with gdb already, it's about a memory corruption so the sigsegv happens later. |
| 18:07.54 | BW^- | the other difference is that this new installation runs on Amazon EC2, but I have a hard time believing that that would be the source of the error |
| 18:07.55 | nsadmin | not truely recommended for the faint of heart or the shortness of diskspace |
| 18:08.07 | themill | gnarface: "file" not "files" -- there are several packages that will provide that functionality |
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| 18:10.56 | BW^- | so, how can i get boost 1.34.1 into a squeeze machine (except for from the boost.org-provided sources, that seem not to compile on squeeze)? |
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| 18:15.33 | nsadmin | BW^-, why doesn't it compile? could you pastebin full build log? |
| 18:15.47 | jackweb | Hello! Such a strange thing met me today. I've been browsing Polish wikipedia and came across TTL article. I've learnt about sysctl. There was an example regarding the list of kernel options: `sysctl -a`. I listed the options, then redirected stdout to /dev/null and I saw 'error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv6.route.flush''. I was root. Is it ok? |
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| 18:16.18 | jackweb | root should not see 'permission denied' |
| 18:16.37 | Dagger2 | some sysctls are write-only |
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| 18:17.45 | jackweb | Dagger2: ok, thanks |
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| 18:18.53 | dutchfish | BW^-, dget -x http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/boost/boost_1.34.1-14.dsc | check builddeps | dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc |
| 18:19.06 | BW^- | nsadmin: sure, give me a couple of mins |
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| 18:22.16 | nsadmin | jackweb, generally root access is controvercial in a few areas, one clear example is trying to execute a file which is not +x... an example of an app trying to wrestle with root access is postgres, the server of which will refuse to run as root |
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| 18:23.31 | jackweb | nsadmin, ok |
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| 18:26.39 | jackweb | I'm allowed to browse /var/log/boot files, but there's a problem -- I can't see 'logs' at the boot start like warnings generated by udevd (?) like 'SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device'. How to get the entire log msg? |
| 18:27.01 | jackweb | Is it logged at all? |
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| 18:28.51 | jackweb | I would like to eliminate those warnings, but I can't get the warn msg... I would have to rewrite it :> |
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| 18:29.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell jackweb -about bootlogd |
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| 18:34.11 | jackweb | debian:/home/jacek# grep -i 'log' /etc/default/bootlogd | grep -v '^#' |
| 18:34.12 | jackweb | BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes |
| 18:34.57 | jackweb | but I am asking about first messages |
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| 18:35.59 | jackweb | not logged in my computer ('SYSFS{}= will be removed...') |
| 18:36.27 | jackweb | (of course not logged in /var/log/boot) |
| 18:38.19 | babilen | jackweb: They are not logged in that case |
| 18:39.13 | jackweb | thanks |
| 18:39.20 | ElDiabolo | How do I increment the version of a native package ? |
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| 18:40.25 | babilen | ElDiabolo: Use "dch -i" -- Read "man dch" and make absolutely sure that you really have a native package there. |
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| 18:41.17 | babilen | !tell ElDiabolo -about mentors |
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| 18:42.56 | ElDiabolo | babilen, Ah, dch does all that is needed, good. I maintain my little peace of software as a native package for ease of installation, my intention is not to make it part of debian. |
| 18:43.34 | ElDiabolo | s/peace/piece/ |
| 18:43.58 | nsadmin | a little peace is not a bad thing... nor is a little piece... |
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| 18:44.15 | ElDiabolo | hehe |
| 18:44.34 | babilen | don't bogard that package! |
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| 18:46.22 | ElDiabolo | babilen, bogard? |
| 18:46.41 | ElDiabolo | (I'm not a native English speaker) |
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| 18:48.11 | nsadmin | US slang for keep to yourself |
| 18:48.37 | nsadmin | as in "don't bogart that joint my friend... pass it over to meee..." |
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| 18:49.30 | nsadmin | ElDiabolo, not a native english speaker and yet you have a native package?! shameful! |
| 18:49.50 | ElDiabolo | hehe |
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| 18:50.07 | ElDiabolo | Its here: http://www.heute-morgen.de/modules/mod_xml2/ |
| 18:50.30 | nsadmin | for apache? |
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| 18:50.44 | ElDiabolo | Yes. |
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| 18:51.52 | fjsld | hi |
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| 18:53.17 | nsadmin | h. n vwls s hrd t ndrstnd, dn't y thnk? |
| 18:53.48 | Zharf | nh |
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| 18:54.02 | Zharf | but you failed and used one anyway |
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| 18:54.18 | yoyo | !lista |
| 18:54.33 | Zharf | really? I haven't seen that in a while |
| 18:54.44 | nsadmin | yoyo, get all the free software you want at www.debian.org |
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| 18:55.29 | dscs | hello |
| 18:55.34 | nsadmin | why is it always italy? |
| 18:55.46 | dscs | is it possible to assign a IP block to a NIC? like a /24 ? |
| 18:56.19 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:56.21 | dkr | you can assign the whole internet to a nic if you like |
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| 18:56.48 | dscs | is it possible to do this during hte install |
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| 18:56.59 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:57.09 | dscs | i'm trying to assign a /24 to a NIC so I can use teh entire block |
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| 18:58.03 | nsadmin | define "use"... I don't have a great handle on what you actually want |
| 18:58.30 | dscs | ok for example, I'll need to be able to SSH into every single IP on that /24 |
| 18:58.44 | nvz | heh |
| 18:58.55 | nvz | cues himself exiting stage left |
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| 19:00.07 | dkr | dscs: for n in `seq 1 254`; do echo ip addr add 192.168.1.$n dev eth0; done |
| 19:00.13 | dkr | without the echo. :) |
| 19:00.15 | dscs | heh |
| 19:00.16 | ansgar | dscs: And what do you really want? Just being able to use 256 different IP addresses to ssh to the same host seems pretty useless... |
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| 19:01.28 | dscs | alright |
| 19:01.29 | dscs | thanks for your help |
| 19:01.33 | dkr | a honeypot. a method of dividing traffic. a port knocking algorithm. etc. |
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| 19:03.16 | nvz | or... over here.. |
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| 19:09.10 | Iridos | I installed iotop on a squeeze system today and got the same error as in bug 489064, but that's from 2008/lenny and anyway python-support was installed. What would I look at next to find out what goes wrong? I did some basic checks and the package looked ok (debsums) |
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| 19:14.50 | gcbirzan | Is a bug that makes a system unbootable with /etc/ read only serious or important? |
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| 19:17.01 | gcbirzan | Or, well. No network on boot, I guess. |
| 19:17.26 | Iridos | gcbirzan, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 19:17.35 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: uh... why would you have /etc/ read only? |
| 19:17.51 | gcbirzan | well, because it's on / :P |
| 19:17.56 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: I mean, you can do things like that, but you should expect to have to change a few scripts to avoid writing to / |
| 19:18.14 | gcbirzan | My point is, actually, ifupdown |
| 19:18.27 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: ifupdown uses a tmpfs, generally |
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| 19:18.38 | gcbirzan | Not on any recent install of Debian from testing. :( |
| 19:18.49 | gcbirzan | It's fixed in experimental, though... |
| 19:18.59 | gcbirzan | Has been for almost a year :P |
| 19:19.07 | Iridos | oh, I misunderstood the question... I thought the bug also makes /etc read-only and then... |
| 19:19.32 | gcbirzan | Iridos: Nah. And, I didn't see anything in the policy about it. |
| 19:19.53 | gcbirzan | It's mentioned in http://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot#Special_files_in_.2BAC8-etc to be fair |
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| 19:20.03 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: well, the fix is actually really simple... just symlink /etc/network/run to /run/shm/ or similar. |
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| 19:20.18 | dondelelcaro | but it's not like we actually support a read-only / yet. |
| 19:20.48 | gcbirzan | I installed the one from experimental :P |
| 19:20.48 | Iridos | I dunno... choose some and let the maintainer change as (s)he sees fit? But question really is then if this can be seen as a bug |
| 19:21.02 | dondelelcaro | looks like 623523, anyway |
| 19:21.44 | gcbirzan | I was thinking http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389996 |
| 19:21.51 | gcbirzan | that's the bug related to the fix, I guess |
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| 19:22.16 | gcbirzan | oh, nvm. I read it wrong. |
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| 19:22.37 | gcbirzan | that's just another case of it breaking stuff. :P |
| 19:22.58 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's ifupdown |
| 19:23.41 | gcbirzan | Though, to be fair. I did find the bug because my / stopped working and eventually died a horrible death, but still :P |
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| 19:25.23 | dondelelcaro | anyway, the fix is trivial; you just symlink /etc/network/run to /run/network or similar |
| 19:26.40 | gcbirzan | Yeah, done it. But it's been fixed already, was just curious if the severity on the bug is right. |
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| 19:30.32 | gnarface | assuming i didn't know someone who already knew, how would i find out what package /usr/share/man/es/man1/faked.1.gz came from? judd doesn't know and neither does apt-file |
| 19:31.00 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: dpkg -S faked.1.gz |
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| 19:31.09 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you have it installed) |
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| 19:31.31 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: nope, also does not work. any other ways? |
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| 19:35.27 | gcbirzan | gnarface: Try fakeroot. |
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| 19:36.25 | gnarface | gcbirzan: thanks, that looks like the one. the issue still remains academically though. if i wanted these to be trackable and removeable like normal packaged files would i have to install tripwire or something like that? |
| 19:36.39 | gcbirzan | I don't know how fakeroot installs it :-) |
| 19:37.14 | gcbirzan | Ah, it's an alternative. |
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| 19:38.38 | rainfyre | hey all. can someone point me to a guide to installing debian linux on an intel mac mini? |
| 19:40.12 | diniwed | does squeeze/stable currently have a backports repository..? |
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| 19:42.12 | jelly-home | !tell diniwed about bdo |
| 19:42.25 | gnarface | gcbirzan: alternative? |
| 19:42.35 | gnarface | gcbirzan: i thought alternatives were like, symlinks? |
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| 19:42.59 | gnarface | gcbirzan: oh shit it is |
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| 19:43.47 | Kingsy | guys, can someone pass me a link to a stable iso I can use to stick onto a USB stick and make it bootable? |
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| 19:44.29 | gnarface | Kingsy: they all do that now. |
| 19:44.36 | gnarface | Kingsy: as of squeeze |
| 19:44.38 | babilen | !tell Kingsy -about hybrid images |
| 19:44.45 | babilen | !tell Kingsy -about usb install |
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| 19:46.05 | Kingsy | what I mean is.. there doesnt seem to be a link to a single iso anywhere.. there seems to be hundreds of different ones |
| 19:46.15 | Kingsy | well not hundreds.. but you know what I mean |
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| 19:46.42 | gnarface | Kingsy: most people with decent network connections use the netinst one |
| 19:46.46 | diniwed | bdo..? what's bdo..? |
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| 19:47.54 | gcbirzan | bugs.debian.org |
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| 19:48.04 | jelly-home | diniwed: you ought to have gotten a private message from the "dpkg" bot, see if it's in a nother window or tab |
| 19:48.06 | gcbirzan | just guessing :) |
| 19:48.17 | gcbirzan | oh, backports. |
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| 19:48.39 | jelly-home | gcbirzan: please refrain from just guessing. |
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| 19:49.34 | diniwed | jelly-home: I assumed you were a bot :-( .. don't see a private msg, though.. |
| 19:49.53 | jelly-home | diniwed: oh, then ask it yourself /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 19:51.48 | gcbirzan | jelly-home: Well, he asked without any context in the past 5 minutes, I thought he just saw the term somewhere |
| 19:51.49 | mmnicolas | Kingsy: www.debian.org, there is a link right on the frontpage, top-right. |
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| 19:55.24 | diniwed | jelly-home: tnks got dpkg's msgs.. eventually |
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| 19:57.47 | jelly-home | weird |
| 19:57.48 | jelly-home | !ping |
| 19:57.48 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:58.02 | Iridos | I installed iotop on a squeeze system today and got the same error as in bug 489064, but that's from 2008/lenny and anyway python-support was installed. What would I look at next to find out what goes wrong? I did some basic checks and the package looked ok (debsums) |
| 19:58.09 | jelly-home | Adzgibbo: you might want to disable that !ping replier in this channel |
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| 20:00.15 | jelly-home | Iridos: which architecture? |
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| 20:00.34 | Iridos | i386 or amd64 |
| 20:00.58 | Iridos | hm, I think i386, can't remember for sure now |
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| 20:01.20 | Iridos | it's a VPS |
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| 20:04.25 | gcbirzan | Iridos: What do you get if you do python -V ? |
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| 20:04.33 | floogy | Hi, Ich möchte EncFs nutzen, habe es heute unter Windows in ubuntuone (ähnlich dropbox) eingerichtet und kann es nun unter ubuntu nur als root mounten. Woran könnte das liegen? |
| 20:04.36 | jwayne | anyone ever had problems with wicd not saving the passphrase they enter in the properties of a ssid? |
| 20:04.46 | floogy | Ooops, sorry |
| 20:04.48 | jelly-home | Iridos: I guess there ought to be a different error if kernel didn't support it |
| 20:04.57 | jelly-home | !de |
| 20:04.58 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:05.44 | Iridos | gcbirzan, didn't do that and don't have access to the system now... just wondering. python 2.6.6 was installed as a package. I doub't any python's installed outside the package management, but will check next time. |
| 20:06.00 | floogy | I want to use encfs and set it up in a ubuntuone cloud under windows today. In ubuntu I can only mount it as root. Is that as expected? |
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| 20:06.25 | Iridos | still wrong channel, try #ubuntu :) |
| 20:06.30 | jelly-home | floogy: we know fuck all about ubuntu in here. You might want to ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
| 20:06.48 | gcbirzan | Iridos: Other than that, if you do get 2.x, and not 3.x, you should start python and do import sys; print sys.path, see if you have the path where the iotop module is installed. |
| 20:07.01 | floogy | ;) o well... |
| 20:07.46 | Iridos | gcbirzan, ahh, right. sys.path was the one. I just go there for an hour a week or so and fix up stuff while the guy who has the VPS peeks over my shoulder and makes screenshots so he can do it the next time... |
| 20:07.59 | jelly-home | Iridos: so you're basically asking for help about a system you don't have access to at present? |
| 20:08.16 | Iridos | jelly-home, and got it :D |
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| 20:08.34 | jelly-home | true dat |
| 20:08.41 | Iridos | jelly-home, I can't try stuff now... but ran out of ideas what to look for |
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| 20:09.04 | Iridos | so now got some good ideas of what to check next time, thx :) |
| 20:09.25 | jelly-home | Iridos: you can start with ls -l $(which python) and dpkg -l python python2.6 python-support iotop libc6 <g> |
| 20:09.55 | jelly-home | Iridos: also: atop does that disk io thing as well, and has no python dependency |
| 20:10.40 | Iridos | ah, that's also pretty useful... I installed iotop, because the virus scan on the customers stuff suddenly took 10 times as long... |
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| 20:11.03 | Iridos | I think it's actually the provider having some problems the last days, but good to check obvious stuff ... |
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| 20:11.32 | jelly-home | cheap hosters overprovisioning VPS hosts? They'd never! |
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| 20:11.43 | Iridos | jelly-home, strato? |
| 20:11.55 | jelly-home | I have no idea |
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| 20:14.01 | FirePowi | Hi |
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| 20:14.47 | FirePowi | Do someone can send me his opinions about debian ? |
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| 20:15.22 | dondelelcaro | FirePowi: what's your question? There are tons of blog postings, articles, and presentations about Debian. |
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| 20:15.36 | thewanderer1 | ok, so I get ALSA to play multiple sounds at once how? |
| 20:15.43 | thewanderer1 | (Squeeze) |
| 20:15.50 | FirePowi | Hum ... What's better than Xubuntu ? |
| 20:15.55 | FirePowi | and badder ? |
| 20:16.15 | Iridos | jelly-home, dunno... I they exist for long and I always thought they're one of the bigger ones... I just see the "L" VPS is now €25/month |
| 20:16.16 | jhutchins_wk | FirePowi: This really isn't the right place to be asking about that. This is support, not advocacy. |
| 20:17.47 | FirePowi | jhutchins_wk, you don't uderstand what I want, i just want to know if it's better to install Debian, or not ... :/ |
| 20:17.55 | FirePowi | Someone in private ? |
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| 20:19.25 | Iridos | gcbirzan, jelly-home, thanks, good ideas of things to check |
| 20:20.36 | jwayne | arg, wicd from sid needs to get to wheezy asap.. there's a bug in 1.7.2.1 that prevents wicd from saving passwords, fixed in 1.7.2.2 (sid is at 1.7.2.3 now) |
| 20:20.53 | jhutchins_wk | FirePowi: Obviously we have had a reason to install it, that's why we're here. |
| 20:21.08 | Iridos | jelly-home, I checked on python-support, because of the bug, that was 1.0.x, iotop was fresh from the repo (but strato has their own mirror, dunno if they mess with it) |
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| 20:21.34 | Iridos | oh well, will look next time |
| 20:22.12 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, good reasoning there *g* |
| 20:22.18 | FirePowi | jhutchins_wk : witch ? |
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| 20:22.49 | FirePowi | Is Debian run faster ? |
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| 20:22.55 | jadew | hey guys |
| 20:23.14 | FirePowi | hey o/ |
| 20:23.15 | jadew | I'm planning to upgrade my 3 years old server from lenny to squeeze, first time I do this |
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| 20:23.44 | jadew | is it enough to change "lenny" to "squeeze" in the sources list and go for dist-upgrade? |
| 20:23.52 | Iridos | no |
| 20:23.55 | jelly-home | FirePowi: any distro can be made to run faster or slower, depending on the amount of resources and their being spent on possibly needless background processes |
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| 20:24.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jadew about lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:24.15 | jadew | thanks, let me read |
| 20:24.23 | peterrooney | jadew: no. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:24.45 | Iridos | jadew, that's the condensed version... more in the release notes... you can ask the bot about that with /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 20:25.23 | jadew | thank you |
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| 20:27.46 | thewanderer1 | how does Flash manage to lock /dev/dsp completely? no other program can use ALSA afterwards |
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| 20:27.50 | jadew | I just went blindly ahead, hoping for the best :) |
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| 20:28.57 | gnarface | so, i ran cruft on 6 systems that were supposed to be identical. i already knew ahead of time that the people who had been granted root on these boxes were not disciplined enough to maintain them in sync manually, so i expected to find some cruft when i ran "cruft"... however one of them like all of fucking /lib is showing up as unexplained files in cruft. .... like kernel modules and everything, stuff that's supposed to be act |
| 20:28.57 | gnarface | ually installed currently... anyone got any ideas what a noob might have done to cause that? |
| 20:29.16 | Iridos | thewanderer1, I dunno, I always thought it's the use of /dev/dsp (i.e. the oss compatibilty layer of alsa) that does it. Try to install aoss and run aoss <yourbrowser> and see if that helps |
| 20:29.18 | mick_laptop | are .ko files kernel modules? |
| 20:29.38 | Iridos | thewanderer1, funny how often people now have that problem again... you're not using pulse? |
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| 20:30.01 | twobitsprite | mick_laptop: generally, run the "file" command on them, I think it should detect kernel modules |
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| 20:30.27 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: I'm not using PulseAudio. it messes things up sometimes and I try to avoid it unless I need network sound... |
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| 20:30.56 | twobitsprite | mick_laptop: looks like it only detects the ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable |
| 20:31.11 | mick_laptop | ya, should be kernel module |
| 20:31.16 | Iridos | thewanderer1, only someone said the lockups people talk about now aren't the ones I remember from around 2001ish but more likely pulseaudio stuff |
| 20:32.17 | Iridos | thewanderer1, and I'd be ready to believe it... I mean... I thought I read somewhere dmix is on by default now. But also seems if you make your own .asoundrc, you automatically deactivate it as a default setting, because you have custom settings |
| 20:32.51 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, maybe OSS was the problem indeed |
| 20:33.11 | thewanderer1 | cause it seems like Pidgin, Skype and MPD (different UIDs, too) can coexist, only Flash breaks it |
| 20:33.19 | gnarface | thewanderer1: just use the 'default' device for programs you want to share the soundcard instead of 'hw' (different programs may pick one or the other by default) |
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| 20:33.56 | gnarface | thewanderer1: your flash install must be different from mine though, because flash in iceweasel does not have that problem for me |
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| 20:34.18 | thewanderer1 | maybe it's the browser which manages sound, no idea |
| 20:34.24 | thewanderer1 | Chromium |
| 20:34.28 | gnarface | thewanderer1: if your soundcard does actual *hardware* mixing though this is all irrelevant and your problem is something else |
| 20:34.42 | thewanderer1 | no idea if Intel HDA does that |
| 20:34.54 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i can confirm for you that it most certainly does not |
| 20:34.55 | Iridos | gnarface, different sound cards have different drivers and different software or hardware mixing... |
| 20:35.06 | gnarface | Iridos: i know |
| 20:35.32 | Iridos | just because you compared with your setup... |
| 20:35.39 | Iridos | most likely that's not a valid comparison |
| 20:35.41 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i don't know chromium but i'd look to see if it allows you to set the alsa device to use by default... |
| 20:35.44 | thewanderer1 | hey, the codec is the same :P |
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| 20:35.59 | thewanderer1 | nah, it's not in the browser options |
| 20:36.08 | gnarface | Iridos: based on what you know, that statement is only possibly accurate. based on what i know, you're completely wrong. |
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| 20:36.35 | Iridos | so what sikrit thing do you know |
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| 20:37.26 | gnarface | Iridos: that you don't? apparently the difference between which cards actually DO hardware mixing and which don't. none of the hda intel ones do. |
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| 20:38.12 | mick_laptop | anyone know which one of these two isn't a valid command: list or desc (afaik) neither of these have a manpage |
| 20:38.20 | gnarface | Iridos: also didn't you just tell him that you need OSS compatibility installed in alsa to share the soundcard? that's patently wrong although it might actually work around his issue too |
| 20:38.26 | Iridos | if you look at the length of that line you'd notice I wrote that before he said it's hda... but suit yourself |
| 20:38.45 | mick_laptop | and apt-file doesn't bring up anything either |
| 20:38.52 | Iridos | gnarface, that's exactly what I did NOT tell him |
| 20:39.04 | Iridos | perhaps you might care to read more carefully before criticizing |
| 20:39.16 | gnarface | thewanderer1, I dunno, I always thought it's the use of /dev/dsp (i.e. the oss compatibilty layer of alsa) that does it. Try to install aoss and run aoss <yourbrowser> and see if that helps |
| 20:39.22 | gnarface | Iridos: you didn't say this^^^? |
| 20:39.27 | gnarface | thewanderer1: (ignore that last one) |
| 20:39.33 | Iridos | I said this and you managed to completely misunderstand it |
| 20:39.36 | thewanderer1 | oh come on guys... |
| 20:39.40 | mick_laptop | I'm thinking that this is bs |
| 20:39.40 | Iridos | right |
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| 20:39.51 | Iridos | let's go out on the street and fight it out like men |
| 20:39.53 | Iridos | :P |
| 20:39.56 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 20:40.00 | gnarface | maybe i need a good fight |
| 20:40.12 | thewanderer1 | mick_laptop: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:40.44 | Iridos | Kaco, and you can keep your fingers orf |
| 20:40.54 | gnarface | thewanderer1: Iridos is right you should make sure its not trying to use pulseaudio either |
| 20:41.00 | Kaco | :) |
| 20:41.14 | mick_laptop | thewanderer1: some stupid quiz |
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| 20:41.16 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: not sure how it'd change anything, pulse is not running |
| 20:41.22 | fasta_ | How can I see which process uses /dev/dsp? fuser /dev/dsp as root didn't return anything. |
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| 20:41.29 | thewanderer1 | mick_laptop: neither of them is a valid "command" :P |
| 20:41.36 | mick_laptop | never heard of either list or desc being a command |
| 20:41.42 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i'm not either but honestly its mere presence has broken my alsa config more than once. and 'm not the only one |
| 20:41.48 | Iridos | gnarface, what I did (mean to) say was it's often the OSS device that gets blocked while several programs happily use the alsa devices together (which matches what he said he sees) |
| 20:42.05 | gnarface | ah, i see, Iridos |
| 20:42.13 | fasta_ | In fact, no sound application appears to work. |
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| 20:43.47 | Iridos | hence also the advice to use the aoss wrapper, which does some LD_PRELOAD magic and makes programs use alsa device instead of /dev/dsp |
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| 20:44.53 | fasta_ | Iridos: any way to get my sound to work? (It has always worked and stopped now without warning or indication of problem). |
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| 20:46.47 | Iridos | fasta_, in case it's the same as what thewanderer1 sees... preferably run as root: fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* - if you get PIDs that way, look with ps aux|grep <pid-number> what they are, save work and kill process, try again |
| 20:46.56 | Iridos | if that's not it, go along that checklist |
| 20:47.00 | Iridos | dpkg, alsa checklist |
| 20:47.00 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 20:47.09 | iandalton | Is it normal for a dd of a 640GB HDD to take over 2 hours? It's 3Gb/s SATA, but in a no-name USB 2.0 enclosure. |
| 20:47.19 | fasta_ | Iridos: restarting alsa-utils worked |
| 20:47.22 | gnarface | thewanderer1: http://superuser.com/questions/273561/how-can-i-make-chromium-use-a-different-alsa-device this looks... horrible. fuck i'd switch browsers over this, but it might work for you |
| 20:47.25 | thewanderer1 | iandalton: yes, pretty standard |
| 20:47.29 | iandalton | wishes he'd used clonezilla, he thinks that at least has a progress bar |
| 20:47.50 | iandalton | thewanderer1: OK, thanks. Thank god I only have to do it once. |
| 20:47.54 | fasta_ | iandalton: USB 2.0 goes 30MB/s. |
| 20:47.56 | thewanderer1 | switches to iceweasel for all Flash content |
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| 20:48.07 | thewanderer1 | fasta_: not 60MB/s? |
| 20:48.19 | iandalton | holy shit, 6 hours? bummer |
| 20:48.20 | fasta_ | thewanderer1: 480Mbit. |
| 20:48.26 | fasta_ | thewanderer1: theoretical maximum. |
| 20:48.27 | thewanderer1 | fasta_: yes... |
| 20:48.45 | fasta_ | thewanderer1: which people obtain in practice... like never. |
| 20:48.56 | jelly-home | 25-28MB/s is very good for usb-storage on USB2 |
| 20:48.57 | thewanderer1 | arbitrary divisions by 2 for the win :) |
| 20:49.09 | fasta_ | I haven't seen anything above 37MB/s. |
| 20:49.09 | thewanderer1 | but yeah, the bandwidth looks realistic I would say |
| 20:49.27 | fasta_ | (USB2.0) |
| 20:49.36 | thewanderer1 | I've had a USB HDD go at 500KB/s :P |
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| 20:49.53 | fasta_ | thewanderer1: but not with a dd, I hope. |
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| 20:50.27 | gnarface | hmm. what was that one-liner to uninstall all non-essential packages? |
| 20:50.29 | thewanderer1 | fasta_: with some file copying |
| 20:50.51 | iandalton | The HDD is mostly empty space; I should Ctrl-C and find a cloning tool |
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| 20:51.10 | iandalton | fasta_: is dd slower than other methods? |
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| 20:52.19 | Iridos | haha |
| 20:52.24 | Iridos | ECHAN |
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| 20:53.58 | ironm | Good evening. Please allow me one question. I use the Asus M5 A99X EVO motherboard (with FX4100 AMD CPU) and 6 1TByte drives and would like to setup a RAID5 (on debian squeeze or wheezy). What option should I chose in BIOS?. I have tried already with RAID5 however after booting debian in Live mode I see still these 6 drives. I am not sure if the JBOD setting is the right one for running RAID5 (with one spare drive) on linux. |
| 20:54.07 | thewanderer1 | iandalton: when I was copying my previous disk, I gave up after 1 hour, took the MBR, moved to the new disk, and copied the files (duplicated the UUID for the FS, too) |
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| 20:54.10 | ironm | Thank you in advance for any hints. |
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| 20:54.39 | thewanderer1 | ironm: the RAID that you see is an illusion. there is no RAID. |
| 20:55.10 | Nathan2055 | Can I ask a quick question? |
| 20:55.11 | thewanderer1 | just use the software RAID in the installer and don't bother with half-baked vendor implementations |
| 20:55.12 | ironm | how do you mean that thewanderer1 ? |
| 20:55.14 | iandalton | thewanderer1: how did you dupe the UUID? |
| 20:55.27 | thewanderer1 | iandalton: man mkfs.ext2 and there was some option for it |
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| 20:55.33 | Nathan2055 | I'd like to know if Debian is the right choice for me. |
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| 20:55.55 | no_maam | Hi, I have a really strange problem with my gnome 3 desktop using gnome-shell |
| 20:56.14 | thewanderer1 | ironm: I mean that the RAID is not done in hardware, i.e. useless to you. if you want RAID, use Linux mdraid (available in the installer, just choose it) or a hardware RAID card (expensive). |
| 20:56.18 | no_maam | sometimes, my focus is stuck to a window, and I cannot move it way from that window anymore |
| 20:56.28 | no_maam | but the window might stay in the background |
| 20:56.29 | ironm | thewanderer1, thank you for your hint. My poroblem is however that I would like to use such (encrypted) RAID5 when booting from a USB stick (live mode) |
| 20:56.42 | Nathan2055 | I'm going to try to set up a personal computer with Linux (that I haven't bought yet) and what I want is this: |
| 20:56.47 | thewanderer1 | ironm: well, using software RAID does not prevent that in any way |
| 20:56.50 | Nathan2055 | It needs to run KDE. |
| 20:57.10 | no_maam | so I have for example pidgin running in the background, and chrome running in the foreground, and pidgin has the focus, but I only see the chrome window |
| 20:57.31 | no_maam | is this bug somehow known? I coundn't find it on bugs.gnome.org |
| 20:58.02 | Nathan2055 | I'd like it to be user-friendly, I'd like it to run LibreOffice, and it needs to be able to run Java fairly well. |
| 20:58.02 | iandalton | thewanderer1: thanks. I'll try that |
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| 20:58.10 | ironm | thewanderer1, it sounds as I maybe should check for FreeNAS instead (or similar one) |
| 20:58.44 | iandalton | thewanderer1: do you know, if I cancel the dd, then dd just the MBR, will I have a bunch of data on the drive from the first dd? |
| 20:58.46 | thewanderer1 | ironm: Debian is capable of using disks in RAID, what I'm trying to tell you is that the "RAID" that your BIOS advertises does not exist |
| 20:59.03 | ironm | yes thewanderer1 .. I can follow you |
| 20:59.08 | Nathan2055 | Anyone able to help me? |
| 20:59.12 | ironm | thanks a lot thewanderer1 :) |
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| 20:59.33 | thewanderer1 | ironm: if you are going for a storage server, well, FreeNAS is an easy solution. also, ZFS is totally worth it, so... yeah |
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| 21:00.11 | ironm | thewanderer1, ZFS on FreeNAS or just based on debian (in case it is possible) |
| 21:00.17 | ironm | ? |
| 21:00.20 | thewanderer1 | Nathan2055: if you install the required packages, it'll work |
| 21:00.32 | Nathan2055 | What do you mean? |
| 21:00.39 | thewanderer1 | ironm: I run ZFS on Debian, but it is much easier and somewhat more stable on FreeNAS |
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| 21:01.02 | Nathan2055 | I'm sorry, I'm new to Linux. |
| 21:01.18 | thewanderer1 | Nathan2055: Debian by default uses GNOME - you can instruct the installer to use KDE, though. as for LibreOffice, we have OpenOffice at the moment by default, though the new packages should be available too |
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| 21:01.27 | ironm | thewanderer1, thank you. I guess I should set the BIOS setting from RAID (for disk) to the standard one .. right? |
| 21:01.37 | thewanderer1 | ironm: yeah, AHCI |
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| 21:01.48 | ironm | thank you very much thewanderer1 :) |
| 21:02.00 | Nathan2055 | There really is no difference between Open and Libre that I know of. |
| 21:02.05 | babilen | thewanderer1, Nathan2055: (Sorry slang) -- Libreoffice is in squeeze-backports, so it shouldn't be a problem to use that. |
| 21:02.21 | babilen | !tell Nathan2055 about introduction |
| 21:02.27 | Nathan2055 | squeeze-backports? |
| 21:02.37 | babilen | !tell Nathan2055 about install guide |
| 21:02.57 | thewanderer1 | Nathan2055: it's basically a repository that you enable after installation to get more recent software |
| 21:03.23 | thewanderer1 | Java is supported, too - both Sun Java 6 and free equivalents |
| 21:03.29 | Nathan2055 | Ah. |
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| 21:03.37 | Nathan2055 | Okay. |
| 21:03.46 | Nathan2055 | I guess I need to do my homework. |
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| 21:04.13 | babilen | Nathan2055: You can ask our bot about all the factoids in <…> (e.g. "/msg dpkg netinstall") -- If you are completely new to Linux you will have a bit of tough start as a lot of concepts will be new and unfamiliar. You *might* enjoy a distribution that holds your hand a bit more (e.g. Ubuntu), but Debian is IMHO also a very good choice. |
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| 21:05.01 | Nathan2055 | Well, I am technical-minded, so it shouldn't be too difficult. |
| 21:05.40 | babilen | Nathan2055: I would recommend to install it in a VM or side-by-side so you can try it for some time. We also have a lot of documentation that you might want to read along with excellent books such as http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ (read the sample chapter!) -- but it'll take some time to "feel home" |
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| 21:06.35 | Nathan2055 | I did at one point have a clunker that I managed to get a light-weight version of Slax loaded on. |
| 21:06.39 | thewanderer1 | bah, nothing beats the "real hardware" experience :P |
| 21:06.43 | Nathan2055 | It worked for about an hour. :P |
| 21:06.46 | babilen | hehe |
| 21:07.10 | Nathan2055 | Don't even ask what hapened when I tried to get Kubuntu running on it. |
| 21:07.22 | thewanderer1 | are you going to give that computer to someone after installing Debian? |
| 21:07.39 | babilen | !tell Nathan2055 -about install kde |
| 21:07.50 | Nathan2055 | No, it's for personal use. |
| 21:08.01 | iandalton | What's rescue mode on the install CD? It seems the same as install mode so far |
| 21:08.10 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay. it's easy to become the default tech support channel :) |
| 21:08.20 | Nathan2055 | BTW, the one I mentioned above I don't have any more. |
| 21:08.45 | thewanderer1 | iandalton: it mounts a filesystem and lets you launch a shell there. basically, does a chroot :P |
| 21:09.02 | thewanderer1 | and yes, first few steps are the same |
| 21:09.15 | iandalton | thewanderer1: I chose graphical rescue and it's going through all the install questions, though it says "Rescue Mode" in the top right |
| 21:09.30 | iandalton | Oh wait, "enter rescue mode" |
| 21:09.45 | iandalton | wonders why it asked for a hostname |
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| 21:10.03 | tramm | What's the reasonable content type for sending mails to control@bugs.debian.org? I am having trouble sending stuff in UTF-8, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655927 |
| 21:10.36 | Nathan2055 | Hey, is this the same channel as the one hosted on the OFTC network (by some IRC magic that I don't know about)? |
| 21:11.20 | thewanderer1 | Nathan2055: nope, but the OFTC channel is the same as irc.debian.net (or was that irc.debian.org?) by means of DNS |
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| 21:12.10 | thewanderer1 | iandalton: maybe you have some utilities installed already that expect the hostname to be so-and-so. a few programs require that... |
| 21:12.16 | Nathan2055 | Hmm... |
| 21:12.28 | thewanderer1 | iandalton: (not that Debian detects it, it asks just in case!) |
| 21:12.50 | iandalton | thewanderer1: I'm just booting the netinst CD |
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| 21:12.59 | iandalton | but maybe |
| 21:13.02 | thewanderer1 | Nathan2055: lots of people are simply in both :P |
| 21:13.11 | Nathan2055 | Ah, okay. |
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| 21:15.17 | babilen | Nathan2055: Did you see all the private messages our bot sent you? |
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| 21:15.47 | Nathan2055 | Yes. |
| 21:15.54 | Nathan2055 | I'm browsing the bot right now. |
| 21:16.04 | babilen | Nathan2055: Good, just wanted to make sure. Let us know if you have further questions. |
| 21:16.13 | Nathan2055 | Okay. |
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| 21:17.00 | Dutchy | I am having a very weird issue: top/htop show 0 cpu use for all processes... so does ps aux |
| 21:17.08 | Dutchy | Does anybody know what causes this? |
| 21:17.40 | streuner_ | wouldnt trust top much... |
| 21:17.55 | Dutchy | streuner_: sure, but ps aux? |
| 21:18.18 | gcbirzan | maybe... there's no process that's using CPU? |
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| 21:18.29 | streuner_ | Dutchy: do you use an amd64 kernel? |
| 21:18.46 | Dutchy | gcbirzan: I can't imagine |
| 21:18.48 | Dutchy | streuner_: yes |
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| 21:19.23 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: on my mostly idle system, the only programs using more than 0.0 CPU are mpd, some badly written apps (Skype, Pidgin, Flash) and this Xchat. all others have 0... |
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| 21:20.12 | streuner_ | Dutchy: well, how about to use gkrellm? |
| 21:20.17 | Dutchy | thewanderer1: this box runs a websit all traffic seems fine |
| 21:20.25 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:20.58 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: maybe the load is low enough? it shouldn't be an issue, I'd be more worried if it showed 120%... |
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| 21:21.08 | thewanderer1 | what does "uptime" say? |
| 21:21.28 | Dutchy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.41 | Dutchy | certainly enough to show some cpu usage |
| 21:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like it's due for a kernel patch. |
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| 21:22.06 | thewanderer1 | huh, weird load calculation |
| 21:22.17 | gcbirzan | the stuff in the uptime output doesn't necessarily mean CPU usage |
| 21:22.24 | gcbirzan | though, granted, it's the most likely candidate |
| 21:22.26 | thewanderer1 | indeed |
| 21:22.50 | thewanderer1 | remember that load averages are averages, whereas CPU stats are momentary |
| 21:23.01 | gcbirzan | well, that's not true |
| 21:23.14 | gcbirzan | ps, top and whatever gives you an average as well |
| 21:23.20 | Dutchy | I agree it needs to reboot into a new kernel, but since it's a production server, not right now |
| 21:23.22 | gcbirzan | the difference is that the load average includes I/O |
| 21:23.44 | pmade | How can I add additional packages to a debain jigdo? |
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| 21:24.00 | thewanderer1 | gcbirzan: top and ps have a sample time low enough that they could easily skip the spikes, no? |
| 21:24.00 | Dutchy | Hmm, I wonder if there were any libc updates that I installed, could that have broken it? |
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| 21:24.25 | f8l | pmade: What do you mean? |
| 21:24.39 | gcbirzan | thewanderer1: depends. you can configure it, for top at least |
| 21:24.52 | thewanderer1 | right |
| 21:24.59 | gcbirzan | Dutchy: as far as I know the structure of /proc in this respect hasn't changed in... well, before my time :P |
| 21:25.31 | pmade | f8l: I want to add some non-free debs to one of the standard ISO images so I can boot and configure a laptop that doesn't have ethernet (only wireless) |
| 21:25.37 | gcbirzan | Dutchy: try this, python -c 'while 1: pass', and see if hat shows any usage |
| 21:25.53 | gcbirzan | (that should use 100% CPU, since it's a very tihht loop) |
| 21:25.56 | gcbirzan | tight, even |
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| 21:26.15 | f8l | pmade: If you think you can append some lines to a jigdo file to build an ISO with additional files… No, it doesn't work that way. |
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| 21:26.33 | Dutchy | gcbirzan: it really does nothing |
| 21:26.37 | superlinux-hp | hi. please name me a video editor. thanks |
| 21:26.54 | f8l | pmade: However I think you can add the packages to the generated ISO. |
| 21:26.55 | Dutchy | # ps aux | grep python |
| 21:26.55 | Dutchy | root 700 0.0 0.0 26608 4388 pts/1 R+ 23:26 0:00 python -c while 1: pass |
| 21:26.56 | pmade | f8l: Right, I was thinking that would be too simple ;) |
| 21:27.11 | pmade | f8l: Interesting. How would I do that? |
| 21:27.12 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: blame it on kernel bugs |
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| 21:28.06 | ElDiabolo | superlinux-hp, handbrake |
| 21:28.14 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 21:28.22 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:28.32 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: for reference, my 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 shows load levels just fine at 162 days of uptime |
| 21:28.39 | Posterdati | kernel 3.2.0-2 rt amd64 freezes my machine, completely blocked :) |
| 21:28.48 | ElDiabolo | superlinux-hp, available in wheezy as handbrake-gtk |
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| 21:29.01 | f8l | pmade: I'd try to loopmount it, copy the contents to a new directory in /tmp, add desired packages to the pool and generate the ISO file from the tree. I think the burned CD may not pass the consistency check though. |
| 21:29.20 | Dutchy | thewanderer1: I am not new to these kinds of uptimes and have never seen anything like it, so I was quite surprised |
| 21:29.38 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: stock kernel or your own? |
| 21:29.47 | superlinux-hp | ElDiabolo, ok |
| 21:29.51 | gcbirzan | Dutchy: ps is consistently bad at this, but hm. the cpu time should've updated |
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| 21:30.08 | Dutchy | thewanderer1: stock |
| 21:30.15 | thewanderer1 | huh |
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| 21:30.47 | f8l | pmade: Unfortunetly I don't know if just adding the package files to the pools is enough for the installer to use them. |
| 21:31.08 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: perhaps there was a CPU time accounting regression in earlier kernels :P |
| 21:31.13 | pmade | f8l: okay, thanks. Worse case I'll put the other packages on a USB flash drive. |
| 21:31.18 | f8l | pmade: Why won't you use one of the unofficial CDs with non-free firmware on board? |
| 21:31.23 | pmade | f8l: That's probably a lot easier anyways. |
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| 21:31.51 | pmade | f8l: Well, that would be because I didn't know they existed. Maybe I should track those down. |
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| 21:32.48 | Dutchy | before i reboot; I recall seeing an error while upgrading grub... how do I test/reinstall grub to a harddisk again? :) |
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| 21:33.27 | gcbirzan | grub-install |
| 21:33.41 | Nathan2055|away | Excuse me, but is it better to use a full DVD over a netinst? |
| 21:33.56 | gcbirzan | only if you have slow/no Internet |
| 21:34.08 | Iridos | Nathan2055|away, only if the machine you install has no or no good internet |
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| 21:34.22 | Nathan2055|away | Okay. |
| 21:34.52 | Iridos | or if you install lots of machines |
| 21:34.57 | f8l | pmade: Here you go: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:35.05 | Nathan2055|away | Is there a full list of the software that comes packaged with Debian by default? |
| 21:35.24 | pmade | f8l: Thank you for all the help. |
| 21:35.56 | f8l | pmade: No problem. |
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| 21:36.04 | Iridos | Nathan2055|away, what means " packaged with Debian by default?" |
| 21:36.38 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Dutchy about fixgrub |
| 21:36.51 | Iridos | "is installed by default" or "is available"? |
| 21:36.56 | Nathan2055|away | I mean, if I download a install CD, load it, and intsall Debian, what programs are there by default? |
| 21:37.02 | Dutchy | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 21:37.19 | nkuttler | Nathan2055|away: not much, unless you install one of the tasks |
| 21:37.29 | Nathan2055|away | tasks? |
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| 21:37.39 | nkuttler | Nathan2055|away: like desktop, mobile, webserver etc |
| 21:37.40 | Iridos | <-- too slow |
| 21:37.44 | Iridos | dpkg, tasks |
| 21:37.45 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 21:37.50 | nkuttler | err, notebook, not mobile |
| 21:38.06 | parcs` | where do i place xrandr settings that i intend to always be executed at startup? |
| 21:38.40 | nkuttler | parcs`: which dm/de/wm? |
| 21:39.02 | BW^- | nsadmin: now pasted the error in compiling Boost date_time 1.34.1 on Squeeze at http://pastebin.ca/2139890 |
| 21:39.13 | parcs` | nkuttler: whatever's default :) |
| 21:39.15 | BW^- | nsadmin: does this give any clue to why it doesn't work? pasted is the entire configure and make process |
| 21:39.30 | parcs` | (i should mention i'm using debian testing) |
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| 21:43.10 | piklu | good morning |
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| 21:43.39 | streuner_ | Di 24. Apr 23:43:37 CEST 2012 |
| 21:43.57 | parcs` | should ~/.xsession work? |
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| 21:45.31 | Nathan2055|away | As a Linux and Debian noob, what should I read first to get me started? |
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| 21:47.21 | nkuttler | Nathan2055|away: did you read the install guide yet? |
| 21:47.24 | |DM| | Nathan2055|away: the manual. |
| 21:47.26 | Isostar | Nathan2055|away http://www.aboutdebian.com/ for example |
| 21:47.40 | nkuttler | !tell Nathan2055|away about grounding |
| 21:47.51 | dvs | Nathan2055|away: Linux in a Nutshell |
| 21:47.51 | |DM| | it's not like the thing has tons of documentation |
| 21:47.58 | jelly-home | archivebot: who owns you |
| 21:47.59 | |DM| | just list commands |
| 21:48.01 | Nathan2055|away | Yes, I have. |
| 21:48.07 | |DM| | and -? the ones you are wondering about |
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| 21:48.34 | scwizard | what are "suggested packages" exactly? |
| 21:48.43 | Isostar | what do you want do to with the system Nathan2055|away |
| 21:48.58 | |DM| | scwizard: I have some packages you would like to have. |
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| 21:49.23 | nkuttler | scwizard: your package manager may or may not install them, depending on it's configuration |
| 21:49.27 | abrotman | scwizard: They're suggested for additional functionality |
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| 21:49.33 | twobitsprite | scwizard: packages which are related to the package you're installing and will work well with it... |
| 21:49.35 | Nathan2055|away | Basically, I'd like to use it as a personal computer (i.e. web browsing, word processing etc.) |
| 21:49.45 | jhutchins_wk | scientes: Packages suggested by the dpkg system are things that are not required by the package you're installing, but would probably be useful if you need that package. |
| 21:49.58 | twobitsprite | scwizard: as opposed to recommended which are packages which are technically optional, but the package might not work as well without them |
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| 21:50.43 | Isostar | okay, if your hardware is strong try an desktop enviroment like kde oder gnome |
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| 21:51.57 | Isostar | if its weak i suggest lxde or xfce |
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| 21:55.17 | Nathan2055|away | Isostar: Sorry, just noticed your reply now. |
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| 21:57.07 | jhutchins_wk | Waxhead1: you might check with #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 21:59.09 | Waxhead1 | jhutchins_wk: ok thx! |
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| 22:00.20 | abrotman | fail ... |
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| 22:01.36 | Isostar | 2 ways, install debian naked and read manuals is the exhausting but fundamental way - or install an desktop enviroment and google and play around more is the easy but learning by luck way :D |
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| 22:03.58 | Pizza401 | http://tinychat.com/redditguns guns on here |
| 22:03.59 | Pizza401 | lol |
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| 22:05.38 | scwizard | apt-get install xorg takes 150 MB |
| 22:05.48 | scwizard | apt-get install xorg --install-suggests takes 7GB |
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| 22:06.42 | levi501d | bam |
| 22:07.02 | themill | scwizard: installing suggested packages en masse like that is unlikely to be what you ever want. Nothing uses them automatically -- they're there to draw your attention to packages that you might find useful |
| 22:07.13 | levi501d | I really like KDE, and if your coming from say windows it will feel a lot more familiar |
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| 22:08.09 | streuner_ | KDE/GNOME is likely the same as windows |
| 22:08.42 | streuner_ | difference is open source |
| 22:09.01 | levi501d | well I actually think GNOME is more like mac |
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| 22:09.56 | levi501d | if you were coming from a mac I would say go with Gnome as it will feel more familiar, but yeah its all really subjective, just my two cents |
| 22:10.07 | Isostar | but both are good to get familiar with debian |
| 22:10.07 | Xix19 | what command can I use to connect to a ftp server? |
| 22:10.13 | abrotman | Xix19: ftp |
| 22:10.20 | levi501d | or sftp |
| 22:10.26 | abrotman | levi501d: i disagree on both counts, and i think the developers of those DEs would as well |
| 22:10.55 | Xix19 | abrotman: duh! thanks |
| 22:10.57 | levi501d | well its all in the eye of the beholder :) |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | not that it stopped you from spouting :) |
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| 22:11.25 | levi501d | true that :) |
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| 22:13.18 | streuner_ | levi501d: if you using OSX and the restrictions, apart thats closed sources, you are glad that you are using a free distro ;-) |
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| 22:14.02 | levi501d | well thats for sure, im saying interface not the system, just the look/feel is macish to me |
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| 22:14.41 | abrotman | and he's still spouting |
| 22:14.50 | levi501d | my comparison is in no way quantative, i've just found it useful when helping people move to LInux |
| 22:14.55 | levi501d | its a skill |
| 22:14.58 | abrotman | you're wrong |
| 22:15.10 | abrotman | that's my opinion .. there we go |
| 22:15.21 | dlsbbt | has some iptables rule that blocks all ips from the internet and accept only those ips starting with 189 and 187? |
| 22:15.43 | abrotman | dlsbbt: you'd probably ask #netfilter to help you .. it's not hard, but probably beyond the scope of this channel |
| 22:15.52 | dlsbbt | thank u |
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| 22:16.21 | Iridos | mmh, pizza |
| 22:16.33 | abrotman | dlsbbt: in short, you'd accept all connections from lo,eth0,189*,187* and reject everything else .. plus a few other bits of magic |
| 22:17.29 | dlsbbt | abrotman exactly |
| 22:18.42 | Posterdati | is there anyone using 3.2.0-2-rt-amd64? |
| 22:18.55 | Posterdati | I've got a freezed machine here with that kernel image |
| 22:19.06 | streuner_ | Whats rt? |
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| 22:19.12 | abrotman | realtime |
| 22:19.24 | abrotman | Posterdati: completely frozen? |
| 22:19.45 | Posterdati | yes, I've got to powercycle |
| 22:20.00 | Posterdati | I'm running the 3.2.0-2-amd64 now |
| 22:20.01 | abrotman | you tried to ssh in ? |
| 22:20.04 | Posterdati | yes |
| 22:20.08 | Posterdati | no ping too |
| 22:20.12 | abrotman | okay.. so what's the problem now ? |
| 22:20.19 | Posterdati | no problem now :) |
| 22:20.41 | Posterdati | I'd like to know if you were aware of that problem for rt kernel |
| 22:21.01 | levi501d | dlsbbt: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 189.0.0.0/32 -j ACCEPT |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
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| 22:21.11 | abrotman | levi501d: you can go with him to #netfilter |
| 22:21.14 | Posterdati | abrotman: no |
| 22:21.24 | abrotman | Posterdati: that's a great place to start |
| 22:21.33 | abrotman | levi501d: you're going to miss important parts that will cause problems |
| 22:21.43 | Posterdati | abrotman: anyway it worked a little better than the standard kernel |
| 22:21.57 | abrotman | Posterdati: except for that locking up part? |
| 22:21.59 | dlsbbt | levi501d yes but how do i block all others? |
| 22:22.02 | kqr | i'm having dns problems with a newly installed debian. it should use my router as dns (just like my laptop does), but it doesn't seem to be able to. (it failes to resolve addresses with the router as dns, but it succeeds if i manually put in another dns in resolv.conf.) why might that be? |
| 22:22.09 | Posterdati | abrotman: yes :) |
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| 22:22.22 | levi501d | change it to DROP instead of ACCEPT |
| 22:22.46 | streuner_ | kqr, sounds to me like a damaged DNS |
| 22:22.46 | abrotman | kqr: you mean it won't resolve any names from your router? even if you do it manually like "dig www.google.com @routerip" ? |
| 22:23.01 | levi501d | kqr: have you modified your hosts file? |
| 22:23.08 | kqr | abrotman, ;; reply from unexpected source: 213.80.98.2#53, expected 10.0.0.1#53 |
| 22:23.10 | kqr | levi501d, no |
| 22:23.26 | streuner_ | kqr, what about /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 22:23.28 | kqr | abrotman, on a side note, host spits that message back at me too, on both my computers |
| 22:23.28 | abrotman | kqr: is your router forwarding requests, or answering them itself ? |
| 22:23.31 | kqr | streuner_, no |
| 22:23.43 | dlsbbt | levi501d but it is going to have to do with all the ip range of internet? will be too much work |
| 22:23.46 | kqr | abrotman, should be forwarding to my ISP's DNSes |
| 22:23.52 | abrotman | dlsbbt: this is why i told oyu to ask #netfilter |
| 22:24.07 | Xix19 | why, when I run "ftp", connect to a ftp server, then do "ftp> ls" I get "200 POST command sucessfull" and then "425 Could not open data connection to post 2797: Connection timed out" ? |
| 22:24.14 | Xix19 | the ftp server works ok with FileZilla |
| 22:24.20 | abrotman | Xix19: tried passive mode? |
| 22:24.41 | dlsbbt | abrotman i asked there and no one answered |
| 22:24.55 | levi501d | yeah |
| 22:24.56 | streuner_ | have some patience then |
| 22:25.01 | abrotman | dlsbbt: be patient .. they usually answer ... also, netfilter.org has some great docs |
| 22:25.12 | dlsbbt | yeah im waiting |
| 22:25.14 | levi501d | good doc: http://oceanpark.com/notes/firewall_example.html |
| 22:25.15 | dlsbbt | thank u |
| 22:25.34 | streuner_ | kqr, in Debian you usually using resolv.conf to use DNS |
| 22:25.40 | Xix19 | abrotman: thanks, that solved it |
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| 22:25.48 | kqr | abrotman, it would seem my router is not doing what it should when NAT:ing dns queries |
| 22:26.00 | abrotman | kqr: what other options for DNS does your router have? |
| 22:26.04 | kqr | streuner_, yeah, resolv.conf is set by dhcp when i bring up the interface |
| 22:26.11 | abrotman | kqr: also, have you looked for firmware updates for oyur router? |
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| 22:26.26 | kqr | abrotman, very few, it seems. the only one i can find is where it gets its dns servers from dhcp |
| 22:26.35 | kqr | abrotman, no, i guess i should start there |
| 22:27.31 | streuner_ | kqr: what kind of OS do you use right now? are you using the (same) router too? |
| 22:27.39 | Posterdati | abrotman: only this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668127 |
| 22:27.49 | kqr | streuner_, os x, and yeah |
| 22:28.00 | kqr | streuner_, host and dig complains, but it manages to do dns queries at least |
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| 22:28.38 | streuner_ | kqr, the same nameserver in OSX and Debian? |
| 22:28.44 | kqr | streuner_, yeah |
| 22:29.13 | streuner_ | well, it sounds to me, you misconfigured DNS in Debian then |
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| 22:29.45 | kqr | streuner_, even if host and dig on both platforms complain about improper NATing? |
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| 22:30.02 | abrotman | kqr: i'm blaming the router |
| 22:30.12 | kqr | yeah, I am too |
| 22:30.18 | abrotman | kqr: if the only thing is your resolv.conf and your nsswitch is normal, i blame the router |
| 22:30.34 | kqr | nsswitch? |
| 22:30.53 | abrotman | /etc/nsswitch.conf .. hosts should read something like "hosts file dns" |
| 22:31.18 | kqr | hosts: files dns |
| 22:31.23 | abrotman | normal |
| 22:31.27 | kqr | right |
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| 22:32.32 | streuner_ | kqr, are you able to ping the router in Debian at all? |
| 22:33.02 | kqr | streuner_, yeah, i can ping the router and i can ping anything outside (as long as i specify the ip OR include an external dns in resolv.conf) |
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| 22:33.40 | kqr | if only i could find a firmware upgrade for the router |
| 22:33.44 | streuner_ | no route problem and no DNS issue in Debian... |
| 22:33.54 | levi501d | if you back up your resolve.conf file and change it to just: nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 22:33.55 | levi501d | doe sit work |
| 22:34.02 | kqr | levi501d, yes, it would |
| 22:34.13 | levi501d | the problem is using your isp's dns |
| 22:34.14 | abrotman | he already said that |
| 22:34.23 | levi501d | really |
| 22:34.28 | levi501d | thanks |
| 22:34.54 | levi501d | kqr: who's your host? |
| 22:35.04 | kqr | i'd like to be able to specify a dns in the router which all of the network would use |
| 22:35.07 | abrotman | Sunday? |
| 22:35.14 | kqr | but as long as it doesn't NAT dns queries properly, i can't do that |
| 22:35.18 | kqr | levi501d, host as in isp? |
| 22:35.22 | levi501d | yes |
| 22:35.33 | kqr | levi501d, bahnhof, a kind of smallish isp in sweden |
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| 22:35.52 | kqr | levi501d, but their dnses aren't the problem, the routers NATing is |
| 22:36.10 | abrotman | kqr: ignore people, go see if you can find an update or way to specify a different DNS in the router |
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| 22:37.14 | levi501d | so your using: nameserver 195.178.160.1 nameserver 212.85.64.4 |
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| 22:37.29 | kqr | abrotman, i can't specify a dns in the router, and that wouldn't change much either as the dns works, it's just not the forwarding from the dns via the router back to the computer that works properly (it seems the router keeps the dns servers ip in the packet header, and the computer expects a reply from the router, not the dns) |
| 22:37.35 | abrotman | levi501d: no, he's using the one his router is giving him, his router IP .. he's said that .. |
| 22:37.42 | levi501d | thanks |
| 22:37.47 | AlexDroid | How long will debian 6.0 be supported? |
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| 22:37.50 | abrotman | levi501d: his router is forwarding queries instead of doing lookups and then caching them |
| 22:38.01 | kqr | abrotman, and i have no idea where to find a update now, as the manufacturer site doesn't respond |
| 22:38.02 | abrotman | AlexDroid: until about one year after the next version is released |
| 22:38.02 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: usually one year |
| 22:38.06 | levi501d | kqr: if you specify that in your resolve.conf does it help? |
| 22:38.22 | abrotman | kqr: what is the make/model ? |
| 22:38.23 | kqr | levi501d, yes, specifying an external dns in resolv.conf does work |
| 22:38.26 | kqr | levi501d, but i'd like to avoid that |
| 22:38.32 | levi501d | why? |
| 22:38.35 | kqr | abrotman, zonet zsr0104cp |
| 22:38.37 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 22:38.48 | kqr | levi501d, i want all of my networks to use the same dnses |
| 22:38.49 | AlexDroid | How long does it normally takes from new version coming out 6.0 till support for 5. |
| 22:38.55 | abrotman | levi501d: because he can't specify other DNS servers in his router, and the next time he reboots, it will give him the broken router IP again |
| 22:39.03 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: usually 2 years |
| 22:39.04 | AlexDroid | How long does it normally takes from new version coming out 6.0 till support for 5.0 dropped? |
| 22:39.21 | abrotman | AlexDroid: 5.0 is out of spuport already |
| 22:39.21 | AlexDroid | Ah so I have to upgrade after 2 years |
| 22:39.31 | streuner_ | usually |
| 22:39.33 | levi501d | bahnhof.se only has two nameservers |
| 22:39.35 | levi501d | http://www.who.is/dns/bahnhof.se/ |
| 22:39.39 | AlexDroid | When was first release of squeeze? |
| 22:39.47 | abrotman | !tell AlexDroid about release history |
| 22:40.26 | streuner_ | !tell AlexDroid about squeeze |
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| 22:41.04 | levi501d | specifying the ns's you want in resolve.conf might get overwritten if you use network management to manage your connections, but you can set nameservers in there too |
| 22:41.20 | AlexDroid | What happens when support is being dropped? |
| 22:41.23 | abrotman | or when you reboot, or when your lease renews ... |
| 22:41.32 | abrotman | AlexDroid: support is dropped |
| 22:41.40 | levi501d | he wont loose them when his dhcp release is renewed |
| 22:41.40 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: well, you have to upgrade then? |
| 22:42.04 | AlexDroid | No I mean: do I really need to upgrade? |
| 22:42.21 | themill | AlexDroid: do you want security updates? |
| 22:42.24 | levi501d | the nameservers dont change often if at all |
| 22:42.28 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: you have no support the, this means, no security updates... |
| 22:42.35 | levi501d | that would kind of kill the reliability of a nameserver |
| 22:43.02 | streuner_ | s/the/then/ |
| 22:43.18 | abrotman | kqr: it's not the cp-01, but the original cp ? |
| 22:43.38 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: or you make everything else then for your own, which is hard, IMO.... |
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| 22:44.18 | kqr | abrotman, i would suspect original cp |
| 22:44.24 | abrotman | kqr: http://www.info.zonetusa.net/ .. website works, can't find anything to download, they say to contact support :( |
| 22:44.26 | kqr | abrotman, i see nothing about -01 anywhere on it at least |
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| 22:44.57 | AlexDroid | But still normal updates? |
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| 22:45.16 | themill | AlexDroid: is there something about "not supported" that's confusing? |
| 22:45.22 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: the important part told you themill... |
| 22:45.37 | jeromatron | according to http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage I should be able to install java-package to build a deb from a java .bin from oracle. |
| 22:45.38 | streuner_ | about security |
| 22:45.53 | jeromatron | java-package isn't in squeeze - should I just use the lenny version? |
| 22:46.05 | AlexDroid | Dpkg, tell AlexDroid about security |
| 22:46.07 | abrotman | judd: versions java-package |
| 22:46.09 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; sid/contrib: 0.50; wheezy/contrib: 0.50 |
| 22:46.21 | abrotman | jeromatron: honestly, i'd backport it from wheezy |
| 22:46.29 | abrotman | jeromatron: or just try to install it straight .. |
| 22:47.05 | jeromatron | I'm just trying to create a chef script to install it from my own deb, which would be nice, but not sure if that's too much to do… thought java-package seemed nice. |
| 22:47.33 | abrotman | it is |
| 22:47.44 | abrotman | jeromatron: why not use openjdk ? |
| 22:48.06 | AlexDroid | What are security updates? |
| 22:48.11 | jeromatron | abrotman: this is for Cassandra and Hadoop and openjdk doesn't work well with them in production for those. |
| 22:48.23 | themill | AlexDroid: I suspect google can answer that question |
| 22:48.29 | AlexDroid | Does this also includes newer versions of applications? |
| 22:48.43 | themill | dpkg: tell AlexDroid about stable |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | AlexDroid: have you read anything at debian.org yet? |
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| 22:49.37 | AlexDroid | abrotman Yes |
| 22:49.39 | jeromatron | sorry - sick today, talking in circles |
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| 22:50.24 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: stable should be theory in Debian never changed, but security updates are the part which is support... |
| 22:50.44 | AlexDroid | From what I read: you won't receive anymore updates for everything. But you can still install things yourself. For a desktop can be used, but for servers not. |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | jeromatron: understood .. luckily, you'd be able to deploy those debs with chef, so you wouldn't have to build htem everywhere |
| 22:50.54 | AlexDroid | Is this true streuner_ ? |
| 22:50.55 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: so, support covers security updates... |
| 22:51.17 | kqr | abrotman, thanks for your help. apparently you can stop dhclient from updating resolv.conf so i guess i'll have to do that for this system |
| 22:51.19 | AlexDroid | Hmm only.for packages or for debian? |
| 22:51.26 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: yes, if i unterstood your question |
| 22:51.34 | streuner_ | for Debian |
| 22:51.37 | abrotman | kqr: yes, you can, you had said you wanted them to use the same DNS |
| 22:51.46 | abrotman | !tell kqr about fixresolvconf |
| 22:51.51 | jeromatron | abrotman: okay - thanks for all the helpful info |
| 22:51.56 | kqr | abrotman, yeah, i do, but if there are no firmware updates i'm at loss there |
| 22:52.05 | AlexDroid | But for packages I can still do whatever I want, right ? |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | kqr: understood .. see what the bot told you about the resolvconf |
| 22:52.16 | kqr | yeah |
| 22:52.19 | kqr | thanks |
| 22:52.22 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: sure, but you loosing support |
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| 22:52.38 | streuner_ | AlexDroid: and thats really bad |
| 22:52.38 | AlexDroid | Also support for the applications? |
| 22:52.41 | themill | AlexDroid: unsupported means unsupported. It means you're on your own. It means we don't help you do anything other than upgrade to the next release. It means noone fixes problems in packages. It means that the packages are no longer on the mirrors. It means unsupported. |
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| 22:52.56 | AlexDroid | Ah |
| 22:53.03 | streuner_ | and that means nobody in Debian are care then... |
| 22:53.12 | AlexDroid | Lol |
| 22:53.42 | streuner_ | thats not funny, because you have to make the whole crap then yourself... |
| 22:54.00 | streuner_ | a lot of work... |
| 22:54.12 | simonlnu | AlexDroid: one way to fix it, update/upgrade |
| 22:54.23 | kqr | !tell kqr about fixresolvconf |
| 22:54.46 | simonlnu | /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 22:55.10 | abrotman | dislikes when drunk streuner_ decides to IRC :( |
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| 22:56.39 | kqr | abrotman, at least it can resolve names now, thanks again |
| 22:56.41 | streuner_ | wonders why it takes that long, that abrotman makes a new aggression |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | kqr: enjoy |
| 22:57.09 | simonlnu | that's not aggression, that's concern |
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| 22:58.34 | levi501d | kqr: your very welcome |
| 22:58.40 | kqr | levi501d, you too |
| 22:58.46 | levi501d | ;) |
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| 22:59.07 | larks | hm |
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| 23:00.23 | levi501d | ok well my good service for the day is done, i leave it to others to attempt the same |
| 23:00.24 | levi501d | ;) |
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| 23:04.00 | dlsbbt | levi501d thanks alot!!! |
| 23:04.23 | levi501d | hey no problem man, my only regret is I'm not here enough |
| 23:04.27 | Xtreme | guys how to run evolution in background? |
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| 23:04.46 | AlexDroid | Why should I use debian instead of ubuntu? |
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| 23:04.53 | abrotman | !tell AlexDroid about why debian |
| 23:04.56 | levi501d | you can put processes in the background using & after the call |
| 23:04.56 | sayd | can i get expando on !123 commands? |
| 23:05.03 | abrotman | Xtreme: huh ? |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | Xtreme: if you run it from the WM application menu, it shouldn't matter |
| 23:05.43 | abrotman | sayd: can you get what? |
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| 23:05.48 | abrotman | !tell sayd about foo |
| 23:05.53 | Xtreme | well i am not able to make evolution to work in background. means when i close it, instead of working it background it closes |
| 23:06.01 | sayd | haha |
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| 23:06.11 | abrotman | Xtreme: oh, that's a bit different, why not just minimize it? |
| 23:06.22 | sayd | abrotman: i'd like to expand a command by its `history` reference |
| 23:06.26 | levi501d | hey AlexDroid, ubuntu is built off debian, it offers benefits to newer users,but learning debian core will help you in the long run if you plan on doing more than just basic tasks |
| 23:06.31 | Xtreme | is it cleaner in system tray wit notifications |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | is that a question or a statement? |
| 23:07.06 | sayd | ie, !123 runs command #123 from my history. i'd like to get access to whatever the command was |
| 23:07.14 | Xtreme | statement |
| 23:07.16 | abrotman | sayd: i'm sorry, i thught you meant a bot command |
| 23:07.26 | AlexDroid | levi501d I need an OS for my server |
| 23:07.37 | sayd | abrotman: nope, command line (bash) |
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| 23:07.43 | Xtreme | another option is install thunderbirn |
| 23:07.47 | Xtreme | another option is install thunderbirb |
| 23:07.53 | barhom | How can I kill a child process without killing its parent? Im trying simply do "kill PID" (childs PID) but thats killing both the child and parent ---- (self written small program) |
| 23:08.17 | themill | sayd: shopt -s histverify might be what you're looking for. (see other hist* shopts too in bash(1)) |
| 23:08.56 | levi501d | AlexDroid: oh well in that case its a toss up on what you need, i'd research the two systems before making a choice. I couldn't tell you one over the other because I'm not administering your system |
| 23:09.06 | Xtreme | abrotman: any suggestions? |
| 23:09.20 | AlexDroid | levi501d I need an OS for my server. What are more than basic tasks? Do you recommend ubuntu or debian for this? |
| 23:09.20 | sayd | themill: thats slick. doesnt run the command until another <CR> |
| 23:09.51 | themill | sayd: yeah, or you can Ctrl+C or Alt+# to bale out instead |
| 23:09.56 | AlexDroid | levi501d I researched both systems |
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| 23:10.07 | abrotman | Xtreme: i'm not aware of any that do that .. |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | AlexDroid: this is #debian .. we will recommend Debian .. you should try them both and judge for yourself |
| 23:10.38 | levi501d | AlexDroid: In the end I cant tell you because you know what you need to run, if you don't, you need to do a bit more research on the two systems, like installing them on vm's playing with them to see what offers you the things you need |
| 23:10.41 | sayd | themill: nice, didnt know about alt# |
| 23:11.20 | AlexDroid | levi501d I did |
| 23:11.31 | themill | sayd: yeah, became particularly important with readline in squeeze that puts a literal ^C in your line (preventing copy+paste) |
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| 23:11.48 | AlexDroid | levi501d I Installed, tried, reinstalled and so on.... That's the problem |
| 23:11.48 | levi501d | AlexDroid: use the force alex, your feelings will guide you |
| 23:11.52 | AlexDroid | ??? |
| 23:12.03 | levi501d | just a bit of levity there |
| 23:12.31 | vaco | Hi everyone, I am running into issues trying to install virtualbox. I am running Squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64. I have tried to install with the .deb package and get similar results. Here is what I get when I try to install: http://pastebin.com/PVEUUe77 |
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| 23:12.42 | levi501d | AlexDroid: I dont really know what the problem is still, you have only asked which is better |
| 23:12.59 | levi501d | the answer is, neither is better, use the right tool for the right job |
| 23:13.04 | abrotman | vaco: did you try 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 23:14.22 | themill | vaco: where's this virtualbox-4.1 package from? |
| 23:14.36 | AlexDroid | levi501d ok thanks |
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| 23:14.57 | themill | !show sources.list vaco |
| 23:14.58 | dpkg | vaco: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 23:15.46 | levi501d | allorder: no prob |
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| 23:15.56 | vaco | abrotman: yes and I get the same results |
| 23:16.28 | vaco | themill: I followed the instructions from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 23:16.43 | abrotman | vaco: which version of debian are you running? |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | judd: versions libqt4-opengl |
| 23:16.47 | judd | Package: libqt4-opengl on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; sid: 4:4.7.4-3; wheezy: 4:4.7.4-3; experimental: 4:4.8.0-1 |
| 23:16.49 | vaco | this is also where I downloaded the debian package |
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| 23:17.10 | vaco | I am running squeeze 64bit |
| 23:17.24 | themill | vaco: there are debian packages of virtualbox in the archive that certainly work fine, but I doubt that's the problem here. Got your sources.list in a pastebin for me yet? |
| 23:18.57 | vaco | themill: http://pastebin.com/mrSyGdag |
| 23:19.23 | themill | vaco: you have no mirror... you really need one. |
| 23:19.28 | themill | dpkg: tell vaco about make squeeze sources.list |
| 23:19.34 | abrotman | /win 13 |
| 23:20.21 | themill | vaco: also, please use a mirror that is closer to you than ftp.d.o; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | the squeeze sources.list shuld do that? |
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| 23:21.17 | abrotman | my word .. epiphany is seriously buggy |
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| 23:23.43 | levi501d | I like this tool for creating my list file initially: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 23:24.18 | abrotman | no, do not recommend that |
| 23:24.28 | abrotman | it has broken almost as many systems as unetbootin |
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| 23:24.52 | levi501d | yeah..of course it has |
| 23:24.58 | abrotman | so why would you recommend it? |
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| 23:25.27 | abrotman | Most of the people using don't understand what they're doing, and end up with broken systems .. Horrible website |
| 23:25.57 | levi501d | i have had no problems, and I know exactly what I'm doing, its a great list of different repos |
| 23:26.16 | levi501d | i dont like the format particularly, but i edit it afterwards |
| 23:26.19 | abrotman | doesn't mean it should be recommended to a novice .. I know how to do lots of things I'd never recommned someone else do |
| 23:27.29 | levi501d | well I would agree with you there, but i still have had no issues with it, ever, though i suppose a new boot might be tempted to select all :D, thats not a really good idea |
| 23:27.52 | abrotman | thanks for screwing up someone else's box! HAND |
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| 23:29.52 | levi501d | oh i suppose it wouldnt be fun if i didnt respond, so. Oh yeah, well :Ptthhbbtt |
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| 23:32.38 | haus | would this be a good place for a git-buildpackage question? |
| 23:32.58 | streuner_ | maybe, if some DD is around |
| 23:33.55 | streuner_ | haus, just ask |
| 23:34.13 | haus | okay, well if anybody knows how to build a package using git-buildpackage with the debian directory not in the repo root that would be amazing |
| 23:34.34 | levi501d | well if you building a package because you dont want to build install i know of a cool way |
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| 23:34.49 | haus | moving/copying the debian folder before building results in a dirty tree, and git-buildpackage won't continue |
| 23:34.54 | levi501d | checkinstall -D make install is awesome |
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| 23:35.59 | jadewtbl | Hey guys, successfully upgraded to squeeze, so thanks for the info |
| 23:36.15 | jadewtbl | But something stopped working, a tagged vlan |
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| 23:36.45 | jadewtbl | Any ideas on what might have changed to break this? |
| 23:36.47 | haus | levi501d: building for distribution, so not just for me |
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| 23:36.57 | levi501d | oh roger, very cool |
| 23:37.14 | haus | levi501d: thanks all the same |
| 23:37.22 | abrotman | haus: might help to tell us which package |
| 23:37.32 | levi501d | yeah im interested now :) |
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| 23:38.35 | abrotman | or at least where we can browse it |
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| 23:40.47 | haus | well lots of projects ship with an ext/debian folder full of {control,changelog,postinst,rules} right? |
| 23:41.10 | haus | by ship i mean the source tree has it like that |
| 23:41.43 | streuner_ | haus, we need the name of the package and the reason why you want to use it |
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| 23:42.56 | znull | how can I see info about packages i want to install? (via apt aptitude?) |
| 23:43.37 | streuner_ | apt-cache show <package>, please dont me ask about aptitude |
| 23:43.38 | themill | znull: apt-cache show packagename |
| 23:43.52 | themill | (or, unsurprisingly, aptitude show packagename) |
| 23:44.06 | znull | show right |
| 23:44.12 | znull | thanks |
| 23:44.16 | haus | it's a general problem statement, the debian build tools expect the project root to have a debian folder, but many projects have the debian folder somewhere else, like ext/debian or packaging/debian |
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| 23:44.40 | streuner_ | you still didnt answer our questions... |
| 23:44.43 | haus | but git-buildpackage expects both a clean git repo and a debian folder in the project root |
| 23:45.00 | haus | streuner_: because the package doesn't matter, it could be any package |
| 23:45.10 | streuner_ | it matters |
| 23:45.14 | themill | haus: it's always nicest if upstream doesn't include that debian/ in their tarballs and then we'd have to work around it to be able to do the packaging. |
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| 23:45.54 | themill | haus: (including it elsewhere like ext/debian/ does less harm that way... but I can't say I've ever seen that... "lots of projects" sounds like an exaggeration of sorts) |
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| 23:46.10 | streuner_ | haus, nobody blame or totours you here... |
| 23:46.47 | haus | themill: may be an exagerration, maybe i've just experienced a lot of them |
| 23:47.15 | streuner_ | haus, we need details in #d, otherwise we arent able to help you then... |
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| 23:49.55 | haus | streuner_: take amanda as an example then, with packaging/deb holds the debian packaging files |
| 23:50.12 | ethos | Attempting to transfer files to my android |
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| 23:50.20 | ethos | but am only getting 5kbs |
| 23:50.21 | streuner_ | haus, so the package is amanda? |
| 23:50.23 | ethos | any ideas? |
| 23:50.36 | streuner_ | via WLAN? |
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| 23:50.51 | haus | streuner_: it's not just one package, it's many |
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| 23:51.12 | haus | streuner_: but amanda fits in the problem space |
| 23:51.22 | ethos | transfering over a usb to micro usb cable |
| 23:51.26 | ethos | if that makes any difference |
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| 23:51.51 | streuner_ | micro usb cable? |
| 23:51.56 | haus | so git-buildpackage expects both a clean repo and a debian folder in the project root |
| 23:52.13 | ethos | yes |
| 23:52.14 | haus | but copying packaging/deb to debian results in a dirty tree |
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| 23:52.48 | streuner_ | ethos: well, you are usually using 1 or 2 USB, but 5kb is unbelievable |
| 23:53.04 | ethos | and its not a problem with the port |
| 23:53.07 | themill | haus: all packaging requires debian/ in that location. I really don't understand what the issue is here. |
| 23:53.11 | ethos | transfers are fine for other devices |
| 23:53.17 | ethos | and when I am using windows |
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| 23:53.51 | streuner_ | ethos: but still, 5kb isnt true to me |
| 23:54.02 | streuner_ | via USB |
| 23:54.08 | ethos | well that what it is saying |
| 23:54.21 | znull | hey how do I enable by default colors in debian?:) |
| 23:55.12 | ethos | maybe its not liking mass usb storage? |
| 23:55.15 | acroporas | I just replaced my motherboard and now dmesg is filled with an endless list of these warnings. Can anyone tell me why and how to fix it. A Google search makes me think it is something related to USB 3.0 but I have not found any suggestions on how to fix. |
| 23:55.16 | acroporas | dmesg |
| 23:55.16 | acroporas | 71593.020962] xhci_hcd 0000:08:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint |
| 23:55.16 | acroporas | [71595.003104] xhci_hcd 0000:08:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint |
| 23:55.16 | acroporas | [71595.003804] xhci_hcd 0000:08:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint |
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| 23:56.35 | haus | themill: so if upstream has an ext/debian folder, do you just make a new repo/branch and then copy the debian folder into the root (to build with git-buildpackage)? |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | one would have sufficed :) |
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| 23:57.27 | streuner_ | ethos: well, i have no idea HOW this can happen at all, sorry. |
| 23:57.45 | haus | i'm looking for a git-buildpackage flag/behavior like --git-debian-directory=ext/debian |
| 23:58.20 | streuner_ | ethos: 5kb is a joke |
| 23:58.26 | ethos | 2hrs to transfer 33 mb |
| 23:58.33 | ethos | just gonna boot into windows |
| 23:58.47 | themill | haus: debian packaging must have debian/ not random/crap/debian/ |
