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| 00:00.26 | haus | themill: yes, i totally get that...hence the question |
| 00:01.07 | boudiccas | ,versions python |
| 00:01.08 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
| 00:01.55 | themill | haus: umm... I'm not sure what bit of the answer is ambiguous. I also can't find anything that looks like ext/debian/ in amanda's svn. |
| 00:02.29 | haus | themill: amanda uses packaging/deb, but it's the same principle |
| 00:02.37 | haus | themill: and i was looking at their github, not svn |
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| 00:04.13 | swerve | anyone know how to install mythweb in debian? Doesn't seem to be in the repos |
| 00:04.30 | themill | haus: the amanda web page send you to svn.sf.net -- but whatever, that packaging is not the packaging used in debian. Now how about you actually tell us what you're trying to do... |
| 00:06.24 | haus | themill: https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/tree/master/packaging/deb |
| 00:06.50 | haus | themill: but i don't think i'm going to be able to explain the use case, so i'll bow out for now |
| 00:06.58 | themill | haus: yeah, that's the same as svn. It's not the packaging that is being used for debian. |
| 00:07.54 | haus | themill: but it's debian packaging that could be used to build amanda packages |
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| 00:08.13 | themill | they may or may not be as good as the packages you find in debian. They may be complete crap. |
| 00:09.16 | themill | haus: the reason you're not getting the answers you want is that we don't know the question you're actually asking. IRC support with hypotheticals is worse than a game of Jeopardy because we don't even get the answer and need to work out the question... we have to guess the question so that we can try to then work out the answer. |
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| 00:11.33 | haus | themill: i don't have a better way of stating the question right now...thanks |
| 00:11.48 | themill | haus: tell us what you're actually trying to do |
| 00:11.58 | themill | take a step back |
| 00:12.34 | Lns | I've got a VM host with a couple of VM guests, and I'm configuring iptables and other security protections.. in sysctl.conf, when it says something like "we are not a router", should I consider myself a router since there are VM guests? |
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| 00:16.18 | simonlnu | haus: debian dirs in upstream projects - for the most part - get ignored, or worked around, or some other thing. that's why ones that do, and know this, will stick it in a sub-dir, so it *doesn't* get used by the packaging tools. |
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| 00:17.23 | vaco | themill: just wanted to let you know it was my sources.list that was messing things up |
| 00:17.31 | vaco | thank for the help |
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| 00:18.03 | themill | vaco: excellent. Have fun |
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| 00:19.01 | simonlnu | themill: were you just then wringing your hands in maniacal glee? |
| 00:19.13 | themill | bwahahaha |
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| 00:22.27 | haus | simonlnu: thanks |
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| 00:24.49 | schuranator_ | can someone explain this error to me I'm getting on my rackspace cloud server rpm: please use alien to install rpm packages on Debian, if you are really sure use --force-debian switch. See README.Debian for more details. |
| 00:24.50 | schuranator_ | --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:24.50 | schuranator_ | WARNING : In order for the agent to work properly the date on the machine should be set correctly |
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| 00:25.29 | streuner_ | schuranator_: what kind of package is that? |
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| 00:26.46 | streuner_ | besides, if you use other packages which arent in Debian repos you arent able to get no headaches... |
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| 00:28.10 | schuranator_ | I understand that but this is racemi for my rackspace account so I can take an image of the site and move it |
| 00:28.25 | schuranator_ | But when I try to install the sh file it just doesn't let me and I'm trying to find away around this |
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| 00:30.27 | abrotman | schuranator_: use a pastebin, show us the command you're using and the output you're getting |
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| 00:38.54 | TP_ | is there similiar programs as monit? |
| 00:39.01 | Xtreme | guys can anyone suggest me a download manager for debian with pause and resume feature? i like wget, but has no pause feature |
| 00:39.07 | Xtreme | sorry was dced |
| 00:39.38 | Lns | What's the easiest way to forward a single port to another single port (on the same IP) ? Such as 1025 -> 25 (for ISPs who block port 25 outside of their own network) ? |
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| 00:39.47 | TP_ | Xtreme, filezilla? |
| 00:39.53 | abrotman | Xtreme: wget has a pause .. |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | you kill it, then restart it with continue |
| 00:40.08 | Xtreme | abrotman: how to pause? |
| 00:40.11 | abrotman | Lns: #netfilter |
| 00:40.24 | Xtreme | TP_: filezilla is ftp client right? |
| 00:40.34 | TP_ | ftp client it is |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | Xtreme: did you try 'apt-cache search download manager' ? |
| 00:40.52 | TP_ | I would use plugins in firefox |
| 00:40.55 | schuranator_ | anyone here that can help me with how to install an sh file |
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| 00:40.59 | Lns | abrotman: thanks, so would that be a 'mangle' feature of netfilter? |
| 00:41.08 | Xtreme | yup, i want a download manager.. abrotman, nice idea,.. |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | Lns: i believe so .. been a while since i've had to do that |
| 00:41.25 | Lns | abrotman: me too =) thanks |
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| 00:42.40 | Xtreme | abrotman: fatrat and uget. found two which looks interesting. have you used any of them? |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | no, let me know how they are |
| 00:44.22 | Xtreme | sure :) will install both of them |
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| 00:45.32 | mns | OffTopic probably: does anyone know how to unblock port 25 on a cable modem from comcast ? Their "guaranteed support" has no clue what I'm talking about ! "are you using outlook ? Mac mail ? how do you get your email normally " "I use postfix and mutt" "whats that ? " "think of it as a better Outlook" duh !! |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | mns: msg me |
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| 00:47.24 | Lns | looks like this will help... "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INT_IF -p tcp --dport 1025 -j REDIRECT --to-port 25" |
| 00:47.38 | Lns | (with ip_forward on) |
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| 00:48.40 | abrotman | mns: ? |
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| 00:54.30 | Xtreme | abrotman: pm? |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | Xtreme: rather keep it in the channel if it's related to Debian support |
| 00:55.10 | Xtreme | abrotman: nope it isnt.. its about download manager |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | wouldn't thatbe Debian ? |
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| 00:57.14 | Xtreme | lol okay.. i dint want anyone to say it was ot.. |
| 00:57.26 | Xtreme | okay i tried them both.. and fatrat is really awesome |
| 00:57.44 | Xtreme | integration with flashgot, supports torrent.. and speed is also good. |
| 00:58.16 | Xtreme | compared to uget fatrat is nice, but if you dont want things messy uget is lightweight and with basic required features. |
| 00:58.36 | Xtreme | but none of them have simultaneous download from single source like IDM |
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| 01:01.30 | Xtreme | abrotman: any comments? |
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| 01:03.07 | abrotman | Xtreme: told you hadn't used either of them :) |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | Xtreme: but filezilla does have what you're looking for i think |
| 01:04.33 | Xtreme | well abrotman, there is always *wine* |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | okay |
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| 01:17.42 | Xtreme | guys i have a microsoft keyboard with fingerprint reader. |
| 01:18.11 | Xtreme | how to install its driver for linux? |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | did you even try asking google ? |
| 01:19.41 | Xtreme | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/d/keyboard-with-fingerprint-reader |
| 01:19.43 | Xtreme | yup i did |
| 01:19.50 | Xtreme | no link for linux driver anywhere |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | i have no idea what you googled for, but you did it wrong |
| 01:20.31 | Isostar | or bing? |
| 01:20.32 | Isostar | :D |
| 01:20.33 | Sean-Der | Xtreme, lsusb and search google off of the exact device ID you are looking for |
| 01:20.49 | Isostar | think about asking linux questions to bing |
| 01:20.52 | Isostar | i like it |
| 01:21.21 | Sean-Der | You search GNU/Linux DID YOU MEAN WINDOWS? |
| 01:21.48 | nsadmin | Xtreme, hook up a bazooka to that, and have the computer tell it to fire if the fingerprint is not associated with the user trying to log in |
| 01:22.08 | nsadmin | that would be Xtreme! |
| 01:22.16 | Xtreme | lol |
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| 01:22.58 | Xtreme | Sean-Der: i searched for "microsoft keyboard with fingerprint reader model 1032 linux drivers |
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| 01:23.57 | Xtreme | http://www.google.co.in/search?q=microsoft+keyboard+mode+1032+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=kPX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=oFGXT6WkOcHOrQegzZSqAQ&ved=0CEAQvwUoAA&q=lsusb+microsoft+keyboard+with+fingerprint+reader+model+1032&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a16a96c18fd18852&biw=1280&bih=546 |
| 01:24.13 | nsadmin | great googly moogly! |
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| 01:25.34 | Sean-Der | Xtreme, My mistake! Run lsusb in a terminal to get its USB ID to search off of |
| 01:26.56 | huwenfeng | i setup "pam_localuser.so" as the first line for 'auth' and 'authentication', and with 'sufficient', when the LDAP server is not available, I try to login as root, but the login process is VERY VERY SLOW! Viewing the log file, the nss_ldap still try to connect to LDAP server. |
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| 01:27.28 | huwenfeng | I remembered that 'sufficient' means if success, pam will return success and all following module will be ignored. |
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| 01:29.36 | Xtreme | Sean-Der: thanks :) |
| 01:30.12 | sborktemp | is there a 'non-free' category in aptitude? |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | if you have it setup in your sources.list, maybe |
| 01:31.06 | nsadmin | non-free is an attribute in the archive... aptitude just reads the archive |
| 01:31.12 | Sean-Der | sborktemp, If you browse a category it does denote them by license |
| 01:31.44 | sborktemp | i have them in my sources of course, i dont have aptitude to check, thanks |
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| 01:33.50 | sborktemp | ah it was the java category, thats why i wondered |
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| 01:34.48 | jadew | hello, another issue after the lenny -> squeeze upgrade, the os doesn't detect my usb hdd anymore |
| 01:35.27 | jadew | I couldn't find any messages in syslog |
| 01:35.28 | Sean-Der | sborktemp, In mine I have some Java libraries you can pull in under non-free if that helps :D |
| 01:35.33 | jadew | and it's not listed when I run lsusb |
| 01:36.05 | Sean-Der | Is your USB controller loaded? lspci |
| 01:36.21 | abrotman | jadew: are you sure your system is upgraded all the way ? |
| 01:36.56 | jadew | yeah, I think so |
| 01:37.27 | abrotman | jadew: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. make sure |
| 01:37.29 | sborktemp | are non-free security updates announced through a debian mailing list (they dont show on security.debian.org)? |
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| 01:38.03 | jadew | abrotman, yeahh |
| 01:38.11 | jadew | sorry for the double h |
| 01:38.39 | nsadmin | generally security can't do anything about non-free stuff that's also closed source |
| 01:39.58 | nsadmin | you needed one more then you'd get triple h |
| 01:40.23 | sborktemp | i understand, is it announced anywhere other than individual package sources? |
| 01:40.47 | sborktemp | i only have java on non-free but im wondered it is using some libraries i might miss update reports for |
| 01:40.56 | sborktemp | *worried |
| 01:41.23 | Sean-Der | sborktemp, Your using Non-Free libraries you machine is compromised already :p |
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| 01:41.43 | sborktemp | ha, i need java unfortunately |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | sborktemp: it would be announced there or rolled into a point release email |
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| 01:42.44 | Sean-Der | sborktemp, Now we wait for the Haskell fanboys to ask WHY NOT HASKELL almost worse than node.js |
| 01:43.07 | Sean-Der | jadew, run 'lspci' and make sure your USB controller is loaded. |
| 01:43.28 | Sean-Der | If not check dmesg for errors? Maybe dmesg | grep usb |
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| 01:44.22 | abrotman | i'm still waiting to see if his system was actually up to date |
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| 01:45.35 | jadew | Sean-Der, yeah, the controller driver is loaded |
| 01:45.48 | jadew | no errors in dmesg |
| 01:45.49 | nsadmin | you might want to grep -i usb |
| 01:46.38 | Sean-Der | jadew, nsadmin makes a good point! Case insensitivity I think? |
| 01:46.53 | jadew | still nothing about the hdd |
| 01:47.18 | Sean-Der | But it works with other devices? |
| 01:47.27 | sborktemp | thanks |
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| 01:47.42 | jadew | yeah, detected the printer just fine |
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| 01:48.14 | jadew | I removed the printer and placed the hdd in that port, sill nothing |
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| 01:48.44 | Sean-Der | Ok so I would tentatively rule out the USB controller. Plug in the USB hdd and unplug it and check the last couple lines of dmesg. Also are you sure the USB HD is working? |
| 01:48.55 | Sean-Der | I know it sounds stupid! But these things happen |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | jadew: have another OS or LiveCD you can try? |
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| 01:50.10 | jadew | it worked fine before the upgrade |
| 01:50.19 | jadew | let me try it on onther pc, just in case |
| 01:50.37 | jadew | altho it would be strange if it broke just like that |
| 01:50.48 | jadew | (and I got it today) |
| 01:53.12 | jadew | well, apparently arch linux doesn't see it either, gonna try it on a windows system |
| 01:53.31 | Sean-Der | jadew, that stinks :/ |
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| 01:54.20 | i5b | hi guys, how can i make my laptop sleep when dock is down in debian squeeze? |
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| 01:58.41 | Sean-Der | i5b, There are a lot of variables here look into ACPI |
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| 01:58.42 | jadew | found the issue |
| 01:58.54 | jadew | shitty usb controller |
| 01:59.11 | jadew | unplugged it and plugged it back in (it has external power) and it works |
| 01:59.24 | zeeno | i5b, i only trust intel motherboards for sleep, anything else is just luck or chance.. |
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| 01:59.57 | Sean-Der | jadew, Woohhoo! Well wasn't that mean blaming GNU/Linux for your bad USB card :p |
| 02:00.17 | i5b | righ now im reading about vbetool etc... |
| 02:00.24 | jadew | heh, wasn't blaming, but really didn't know what else to check |
| 02:00.51 | jadew | thhanks for the help |
| 02:00.56 | jadew | damn keyboard |
| 02:01.13 | jadew | stay away from cherry mx switches, everyone says they're awesome, they're not |
| 02:01.17 | Sean-Der | jadew, Now get rid of Arch and we will be all good :p |
| 02:01.38 | jadew | hehe, I mighht |
| 02:02.18 | jadew | figured it would be a good development OS |
| 02:02.26 | jadew | hhaving all the new stuff |
| 02:02.44 | Sean-Der | I really liked it for a long time, but I got irritated that they didn't package Awesome. |
| 02:02.59 | Sean-Der | So now Debian Sid is where I hide :D |
| 02:03.15 | jadew | it's probably in the aur |
| 02:03.23 | abrotman | judd: versions awesomewm |
| 02:03.24 | judd | No package named 'awesomewm' was found in i386. |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | judd: versions awesome |
| 02:03.27 | judd | Package: awesome on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.4.6-1; sid: 3.4.11-2; wheezy: 3.4.11-2 |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 02:04.12 | Sean-Der | abrotman, ? |
| 02:04.12 | jadew | I still have a few complaints about this upgrade tho :P |
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| 02:04.35 | nsadmin | is awesome awesome? |
| 02:04.57 | Sean-Der | Awesome is so awesome it is awesomely awesome? Why you ask nsadmin |
| 02:05.05 | jadew | it's geeky |
| 02:05.07 | ectospasm | I don't like awesome. I like XMonad better |
| 02:05.15 | ectospasm | awesome was buggy as hell for me |
| 02:05.36 | nsadmin | I thought only I could be that awesome |
| 02:05.38 | ectospasm | XMonad, once you get over the (steep) Haskell learning curve, is rock solid. |
| 02:06.22 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, I actually like spectrwm the most, but after switching to programmers dvorak I was really messed up by some of the Modifiers being locked |
| 02:06.24 | ectospasm | I haven't had XMonad crash on me once. It will fail to compile my config |
| 02:07.16 | ectospasm | Sean-Der: lack of a Mod4 (commonly called Windows key) kept me from getting a Google Chromebook. |
| 02:07.48 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, I can't switch again I JUST started being productive again! Want me to loose another month micromanaging my WM :D |
| 02:08.42 | ectospasm | Sean-Der: yep, I won't switch until XMonad stops servicing my needs. |
| 02:09.07 | ectospasm | If I had to replicate my configs from scratch... I *might* consider switching. |
| 02:09.07 | jadew | have to reboot the router, thanks for the help, ttyl |
| 02:09.30 | Sean-Der | jadew, cya! |
| 02:10.01 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, I don't know Haskell yet thought :/ its on my list after Go and Erlang |
| 02:10.18 | Sean-Der | s/thought/though/ |
| 02:10.20 | ectospasm | Sean-Der: yeah, I wouldn't say I *know* Haskell |
| 02:10.27 | ectospasm | I learned just enough to have a usable configs |
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| 02:10.41 | ectospasm | Most of the operators I haven't clue why they're used |
| 02:10.59 | ectospasm | I just keep modifying the same template |
| 02:11.42 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, It uses different operators than the ones that everyone else inherited from C?? |
| 02:12.22 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, Thats what I do with Awesome. I didn't right my configs from scratch just modified the ones that came with it |
| 02:12.36 | krisfremen | you didn't "right"? |
| 02:12.37 | ectospasm | Sean-Der: actually, I don't know. |
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| 02:12.54 | krisfremen | well, you left obviously.. |
| 02:12.59 | ectospasm | awesome crashed on me too many times |
| 02:13.08 | ectospasm | ...and it required too much mouse stuff. |
| 02:13.08 | Sean-Der | krisfremen, Sorry my English is not that good |
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| 02:13.29 | krisfremen | no need for sorrow, get it fixed |
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| 02:13.46 | Sean-Der | s/right/write/ |
| 02:13.52 | Sean-Der | NOW IT BUILDS! |
| 02:13.54 | ectospasm | no need for grammar SS |
| 02:14.39 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, I am still guilty of using the mouse, I use vimperator and FireFox and I still find myself reaching for the mouse |
| 02:15.06 | ectospasm | the only other reason to use a mouse is selection |
| 02:15.07 | krisfremen | ectospasm: why.. there certainly is a need for a Grammar SS, especially in this channel.. |
| 02:15.43 | ectospasm | krisfremen: could you not understand what he meant? Why point out the shortcomings of others? |
| 02:15.53 | ectospasm | s/he/s\/he/ |
| 02:15.54 | krisfremen | So they can fix them? |
| 02:16.12 | ectospasm | they can't edit my history, so "fixing" them is pointless |
| 02:16.25 | krisfremen | they can "edit" the future though |
| 02:17.09 | Sean-Der | I am an it :D! thanks for defending me ectospasm, but its okay it does not really bother me. The internet requires a tough skin |
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| 02:18.22 | ectospasm | now that one is harder. Most of the time you don't precede a pronoun with an article. Sean-Der: what do you mean by,"I am an it?" |
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| 02:18.58 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, Its hard to use only the keyboard on the web though. It is defiantly written for mouse users, the abuse of CSS makes it even worse |
| 02:19.12 | nsadmin | so the pronound must come before me? |
| 02:19.38 | Sean-Der | ectospasm, You didn't know if I was a man or woman. So I declared myself as an It! |
| 02:20.03 | ectospasm | that assumes neuter... |
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| 02:20.36 | ectospasm | Sean-Der: yeah, if you have an appropriate browser plugin, it can be doable, but not always elegant. |
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| 02:21.04 | delinquentme | what constant would I use in a debain shell-script to return "Debian 6.0.4" |
| 02:21.27 | ectospasm | delinquentme: some form of the output of lsb_release |
| 02:21.35 | ectospasm | play with the options to get what you want. |
| 02:21.47 | nsadmin | 42? |
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| 02:23.30 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 02:23.30 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 02:24.35 | nsadmin | delinquentme, which snell script? in what context? |
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| 02:25.44 | delinquentme | nsadmin, noted. I'm looking actually for something that will return the OS name and version for any linux OS |
| 02:27.43 | peterrooney | delinquentme: try man uname |
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| 02:28.39 | delinquentme | uname -o |
| 02:28.43 | delinquentme | thatll do! |
| 02:28.47 | Sean-Der | You can get the kernel that way, but lsb_release is the best way to get Distro specific details |
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| 02:29.21 | nsadmin | the exit status of a shell script would be the exit status of the shell process, which is the same number of bits as any possible exit status (in C, int main(void) { return 0; } is implying that an exit status is the size of a C int) |
| 02:30.31 | nsadmin | right, generally uname won't give you the distro name |
| 02:31.22 | Sean-Der | I have never seen main(void) before. I learned something new today I always just do main() if I don't need arguments |
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| 02:32.06 | Sean-Der | int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp, char **apple) |
| 02:32.25 | Sean-Der | Wow thats getting a little crazy there |
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| 02:38.40 | nsadmin | Sean-Der, some compilers require full specification of args and return type |
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| 02:43.20 | zro | whats the vim-nox package? |
| 02:43.37 | dvs | Sean-Der: char **apple? What the heck is that?\ |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | zro: it has a descriptoin, did you read it? |
| 02:44.32 | Sean-Der | dvs, on the wiki page for common main() functions it says the Apple provides an Array with OS info |
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| 02:45.08 | Sean-Der | haha I was just surprised how much is out there |
| 02:45.17 | dvs | Leave it up to Apple something that can be easily covered with envp |
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| 02:56.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 02:58.23 | sime | How can I stop tmpfs mounting on /tmp, I need /tmp to do to disk, not memory |
| 02:58.36 | sime | to go* to disk |
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| 03:03.18 | somiaj | sime: check /etc/default/rcS |
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| 03:04.44 | sime | somiaj: blah, i look in that file a few moments ago and so nothing. I see it now, thanks! |
| 03:04.49 | znull | if I purchase a new cert should I use www.domain.tld ? / domain.tld Is there some sort of standard |
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| 03:08.22 | somiaj | there are multiple places you can purchase an ssl cert for verrification. |
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| 03:14.23 | sabu | I've selected my WiFi modem using the NetworkManager and immediately I get a popup that says "Disconnected". Can someone please help me trouble shoot this? Note my WiFi connection was working before with no problems.. |
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| 03:15.06 | sterios | Hi to all |
| 03:15.12 | sabu | I've also tried another plugging in a USB wifi adapter into the laptop, but I experience the same issue. |
| 03:15.22 | pbase | How do I tell apt-get updte to not hit the translation urls? I an interested only in english - here is the dump of the screen - http://pastebin.com/1yAEUp5c |
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| 03:16.44 | isaac_ | Hi guys, I just installed debian. How can I make the panel text white? Thanks |
| 03:17.07 | sterios | Please, help me. Where I can find information\description about groups in /etc/group? |
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| 03:18.44 | sterios | i.e. a description of each group |
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| 03:28.01 | pbase | what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 03:29.55 | isaac_ | Does anyone have any advice on how to make Debian look nicer? Coming from Ubuntu, it looks worse imo, but I don't like ubuntu because of their unity thing |
| 03:32.12 | sl0wz | isaac_, the look.org sites have many themes, icons ect. xfce-look.org.. |
| 03:32.40 | isaac_ | Thank you. Now I have a new problem, the one I switched to debian for |
| 03:32.55 | isaac_ | It's a fresh install, how do I play MKV files without them looking all pixelated and distorted? |
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| 03:33.25 | isaac_ | Only some of them do it, and it doesn't matter the player. |
| 03:33.43 | somiaj | isaac_: really depends on what you mean look nicer. Not only dose debian provide multiple desktop enviorments (gnome, kde, xfce, lxde) there are many window managers out there that have sleek looks as well |
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| 03:33.54 | somiaj | isaac_: you just have to take the time to configure it |
| 03:34.23 | isaac_ | Ok, I'll look into my options, then. |
| 03:34.24 | huwenfeng | awesome is good. |
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| 03:35.26 | isaac_ | somiaj, Do you happen to know why certain MKV video files look really bad and pixelated? They look perfect in windows. |
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| 03:36.02 | somiaj | isaac_: I don't reconize that video format. What player/codecs are you using? |
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| 03:36.45 | isaac_ | I've tried the one that came with debian, and I just tried VLC, also. It doesn't matter what player it is. The codecs I have are the ones that came with Debian |
| 03:37.00 | isaac_ | The video properties says the codec is H264 |
| 03:37.18 | isaac_ | 1280x720, and audio is MPEG-4 AAC audio |
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| 03:39.51 | somiaj | what video card and drivers? |
| 03:40.27 | isaac_ | nvidia GT 240m |
| 03:40.59 | isaac_ | Which reminds me, how do I install the nvidia drivers in Debian? In ubuntu it was in System dropdown somewhere, I don't see it here... |
| 03:41.43 | somiaj | I use the non-free drivers myself, and wondering if the video drivers just can't render. |
| 03:42.15 | isaac_ | It did it in Ubuntu, too, and I tried to fix it to the point of doing something where it couldn't play the files at all anymore |
| 03:42.23 | isaac_ | They play in windows, though. |
| 03:42.31 | somiaj | !tell isaac_ about nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 03:43.18 | sl0wz | I use the binary from nvidia, you need the kernel source to install it |
| 03:43.48 | sl0wz | I feel the opensource version lacks but that might change soon. with nvidia in the linux game now |
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| 03:44.38 | sl0wz | maybe just the headers on debian, i cant remember |
| 03:45.07 | somiaj | in debian you can install the linux-headers-`uname -r` to compile modules against your kernel |
| 03:45.08 | isaac_ | So I should copy paste what the message said, somiaj? |
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| 03:45.38 | somiaj | isaac_: 1) modify /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib and non-free sources |
| 03:45.53 | Isostar | checkinstall? |
| 03:46.00 | somiaj | isaac_: 2) apt-get update, 3) install the packages it tells you to (yes you can copy and paste) |
| 03:46.48 | somiaj | isaac_: you can copy and paste that whole line if you want it to do all the steps, or figure them out and do them one at a time. (: |
| 03:47.02 | somiaj | but you do have to add the contrib and non-free sources first for it to work |
| 03:47.11 | nsadmin | isaac_, it's a misnomer... ubuntu has a different idea of what free software is, what it chooses to represent as generally available and just a lot of other things... it's probably not useful to make comparisons... the worst-case: if you're more interested in ubuntu, run that... and if equal, run one of each |
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| 03:47.36 | pbase | I have all the sources commented out in sources.list yet the apt is updating from http://http.us.debian.org.... |
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| 03:48.57 | somiaj | sl0wz: I would also suggest you install the drivers via debian packages, as dpkg won't know the files are installed and could overwrite them. |
| 03:49.12 | isaac_ | Thanks for the help, all. I have to brb now. |
| 03:49.13 | somiaj | sl0wz: on squeeze, you can get a more recent version of the drivers from squeeze-backports |
| 03:49.27 | sterios | requesting answer on my question :) |
| 03:49.53 | sterios | > Where I can find information\description about groups in /etc/group? i.e. a description of each group |
| 03:50.35 | somiaj | sterios: http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description |
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| 03:51.01 | nsadmin | somiaj, first hit of a google search? |
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| 03:51.32 | sterios | somiaj, thank you very much |
| 03:51.49 | somiaj | nsadmin: I'm feeling lucky!! |
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| 03:52.18 | sterios | Hm... |
| 03:52.36 | somiaj | sterios: was hoping to find a more offical document, I think that is a bit out of date, recall seing that list a while ago when I was looking for the same thing |
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| 03:53.36 | sterios | When I searched, this link Google don't show me |
| 03:54.06 | sterios | Maybe my query was not correct |
| 03:54.17 | sterios | somniaj, Ok, thanks |
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| 04:12.41 | sterios | I found information about groups in official Securing Debian Howto |
| 04:13.15 | sterios | 188 page |
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| 04:28.22 | isaac_ | Would anyone here be kind enough to walk me through compiling VLC player from source? Right now I've typed ./config and it returned an error saying "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" I don't know what to do... Thanks in advance if you help |
| 04:29.00 | Diopter | Why are you trying to compile it from source? |
| 04:29.12 | ArmOrAttAk | did you get the nvidia driver working already? |
| 04:29.22 | isaac_ | Because the one available in the software center is version 1. something, this one is 2.01 |
| 04:29.29 | isaac_ | And I did not. It confused me :/ |
| 04:29.39 | sl0wz | isaac_, install build-ess* |
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| 04:30.42 | isaac_ | sl0wz, "install: missing destination file operand after `build-ess*'" |
| 04:30.49 | peterrooney | isaac_: aside from Diopter's obvious question... apt-get install build-essential ; apt-get build-dep vlc |
| 04:31.01 | isaac_ | Thank you. |
| 04:31.02 | peterrooney | !sns |
| 04:31.03 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 04:31.21 | lotus2015 | What can I do with the device created by mknod command? |
| 04:31.34 | lotus2015 | Is there anyone can give me an example |
| 04:31.36 | lotus2015 | ? |
| 04:34.04 | ArmOrAttAk | i've used mknod a few times |
| 04:34.12 | ArmOrAttAk | i think it was to mount a disk |
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| 04:36.45 | lotus2015 | I think it's wrong. mknod is used to create a device file |
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| 04:40.50 | simonlnu | !mknod |
| 04:40.51 | dpkg | [mknod] 'mknod [device] [type] [major] [minor]' ie: `mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63' |
| 04:41.18 | simonlnu | !mknod =~ s/ie:/e.g.:/ |
| 04:41.19 | dpkg | OK, simonlnu |
| 04:43.04 | lotus2015 | What can I do with the device created by mknod command? That is how we can take use of the device? |
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| 04:44.05 | lotus2015 | O:-) |
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| 04:48.44 | isaac_ | Uhm, so I got the nvidia drivers working |
| 04:48.54 | isaac_ | but uh, how do I get to the menu for it so I cna change the monitor it uses? |
| 04:48.55 | simonlnu | !nvidia dkms |
| 04:48.56 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
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| 04:49.22 | isaac_ | I can't change my monitor by going to preferences > monitors anymore |
| 04:49.28 | simonlnu | menu for "it"? |
| 04:49.33 | isaac_ | for nvidia |
| 04:49.45 | isaac_ | nvidia x server, I think ? |
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| 04:50.11 | simonlnu | it doesn't have a menu. you probably mean gnome's |
| 04:50.34 | isaac_ | Hmm, well how do I make it use my monitor now, rather than the laptop's ? |
| 04:51.06 | simonlnu | probably having the monitor connected before you start x |
| 04:51.27 | simonlnu | it'll see it then. i'm assuming this is squeeze. or, you could use xrandr |
| 04:51.28 | isaac_ | I just know in ubuntu, once installing nvidia drivers, I had to change the monitor settings from there instead of the monitor settings in preferences |
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| 04:51.40 | isaac_ | and, I booted with it plugged in |
| 04:51.43 | isaac_ | and ito nly shows on my laptop |
| 04:52.13 | isaac_ | I think it's squeeze. I just installed it. |
| 04:52.18 | isaac_ | I'll try xrandr |
| 04:56.33 | kensukeido | http://pastebin.com/gtSwa0nr |
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| 04:57.23 | isaac_ | xrandr only shows my laptop screen, not the monitor. |
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| 04:58.03 | Diopter | Which "nvidia drivers"? The proprietary or nouveau? |
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| 04:58.26 | isaac_ | I did what this said http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#using-nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:58.29 | Diopter | xrandr will only do what you expect with nouveau, not the proprietary |
| 04:58.47 | CAP9750 | The room for support for debianSpanish? |
| 04:58.50 | Diopter | Yeah, if you have nvidia-xconfig, you have the proprietary drivers. |
| 04:59.12 | Diopter | isaac_: You'll want to be using nvidia-settings, which is in a separate package of the same name |
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| 04:59.58 | isaac_ | Thank you Diopter :D |
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| 05:03.00 | somiaj | the newer nvidia drivers support xrandr |
| 05:03.10 | somiaj | though he will probabaly need the versions from squeeze-backports |
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| 05:04.11 | isaac_ | :/ |
| 05:04.30 | isaac_ | What's the command to restart x? |
| 05:04.42 | somiaj | what desktop |
| 05:04.44 | somiaj | just logout |
| 05:04.48 | CAP9750 | Which room for support for debianSpanish? |
| 05:04.49 | somiaj | that should cause gdm to restart |
| 05:05.06 | isaac_ | Yeah, that's what I've been doing. The nvidia settings reset when I log back in though and it doesn't display on my monitor, just hte laptop |
| 05:05.10 | somiaj | CAP9750: #debian-es -- though it may be on irc.oftc.net (different network) |
| 05:05.32 | isaac_ | But when I click save to X configuration file it says "Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'." |
| 05:06.28 | nsadmin | !es |
| 05:06.28 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 05:06.51 | somiaj | because your user doesn't have primisions to write system config files, though I don't trust it modifing my config file personally. |
| 05:07.28 | isaac_ | How do I give it permission? |
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| 05:09.12 | isaac_ | Ah, thanks. I edited it myself. |
| 05:09.28 | isaac_ | I have my monitor now |
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| 05:10.35 | isaac_ | And H264 video is still all pixelated and messed up |
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| 05:11.08 | WHELP | http://i.imgur.com/xNYAu.gif <--- coolest debian logo performance I've seen yet |
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| 05:13.36 | isaac_ | Back to trying to compile VLC, doing ./configure this time I get an error "configure: error: No package 'dbus-1' found." |
| 05:14.56 | isaac_ | Or if anyone knows a download for VLC 2 so I don't have to compile :/ |
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| 05:15.56 | Diopter | somiaj: They 'support' xrandr, in the sense of allowing you to select mode configurations based on modeline/refresh rate, but not selecting multiple individual outputs, like the open source drivers do |
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| 05:19.28 | sl0wz | isaac_, might be in backports. i know sid has it |
| 05:20.16 | sl0wz | the bot in here has a version check but i dont know how to use it |
| 05:20.22 | sl0wz | !ver vlc |
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| 05:20.52 | isaac_ | backports? |
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| 05:21.43 | simonlnu | ,v vlc |
| 05:21.44 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 2.0.1-4; wheezy: 2.0.1-4; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.6; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.6 |
| 05:22.28 | terron | How can I set 'uxterm' as my default terminal for use when connecting via ssh? 'sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator' and selecting uxterm doesnt seem to do anything |
| 05:24.18 | isaac_ | Ugh, why can't linux just play video decently |
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| 05:24.51 | nsadmin | isaac_, there's always the hurd,,, |
| 05:25.09 | isaac_ | What's that? |
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| 05:27.48 | ArmOrAttAk | you can set that in /etc/passwd |
| 05:28.27 | terron | ArmOrAttAk: I want to change my terminal emulator, not my shell |
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| 05:29.55 | ArmOrAttAk | what does it have in /etc/ssh/ssh_conf |
| 05:30.55 | Funkadelic | I set up vnc4server, but I can't connect. How can I fix this? |
| 05:31.22 | Funkadelic | I just installed it, install lxde, and forwarded port 5900 of my router |
| 05:31.27 | terron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.32 | Funkadelic | I should be set to go, right? |
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| 05:34.09 | isaac_ | Please, just someone tell me how to play 10 bit H264 videos correctly on linux |
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| 05:34.58 | Lanz | Funkadelic: you're probably better off with x11vnc |
| 05:35.27 | Funkadelic | Why is that Lanz? |
| 05:35.49 | Lanz | It's way easier to setup and will run on the logged in display, not a separate one |
| 05:35.54 | Lanz | Just apt-get install x11vnc |
| 05:36.00 | Lanz | Then: x11vnc -usepw -many -display :0 |
| 05:36.11 | Lanz | Generate a password when it asks, login, done |
| 05:36.13 | Lanz | Problem solved |
| 05:36.22 | Funkadelic | Oh well that's kind of awesome. |
| 05:36.37 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.47 | Funkadelic | up high! |
| 05:37.04 | Lanz | :) |
| 05:37.50 | Funkadelic | They should make everything easy to set up, like NFS shares and VPNs |
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| 05:38.09 | Funkadelic | I mean, those are examples of things that should be easy but aren't lol |
| 05:38.11 | Lanz | VPNs are easy too |
| 05:38.15 | Lanz | Don't worry |
| 05:38.23 | Lanz | I recommend you use PPTP |
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| 05:38.34 | Lanz | It works great with Windows users since PPTP support is built into Windows |
| 05:39.00 | Lanz | First, just apt-get install pptpd pptp-linux |
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| 05:40.16 | Lanz | You'll then need to edit /etc/pptpd.conf (just use nano if you're doing this from a command line, unless you actually know vim/emacs/something 1337) |
| 05:40.43 | Lanz | Following along? |
| 05:41.18 | Funkadelic | I'm getting VNC to work Lanz, one sec |
| 05:41.24 | Lanz | Ahh k, no worries |
| 05:41.30 | Funkadelic | Isn't openvpn better? |
| 05:41.36 | Lanz | I'll be back in a little bit, send me a PM if I get too AFK |
| 05:41.46 | Lanz | It's better if you wanna waste ages configuring it |
| 05:41.50 | Lanz | PPTP is good enough and easy |
| 05:42.10 | Funkadelic | should I run that command you gave me as root? for vnc I mean |
| 05:42.22 | Funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:43.03 | Funkadelic | because when I don't run it as root, it asks me for a pass, and then it gives me a huge message that goes past my scrolling capabilities |
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| 05:51.58 | Funkadelic | I ran this command: x11vnc -usepw -many -display :0 then I read through a huge message it gave me, and I did this and got this error: http://pastebin.com/epHjXwMP |
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| 05:52.25 | Funkadelic | apparently x11vnc is unable to open the x display ":0". How can I fix this? |
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| 05:54.02 | nsadmin | don't you already have a display on :0 |
| 05:54.53 | nsadmin | a cool read: man X (exactly this, spelling and capitalization correct) |
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| 05:56.34 | Funkadelic | I'll read that. Do I have a display on :0? I don't know |
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| 05:57.12 | Funkadelic | $ man X |
| 05:57.13 | Funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.13 | Funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.17 | Funkadelic | I get that |
| 05:57.35 | Funkadelic | nsadmin ^ |
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| 05:59.30 | rainfyre | hey all! so when squeeze becomes old stable, will wheezy become new stable? |
| 05:59.58 | terron | yes |
| 06:00.28 | Funkadelic | It turns out I didn't have the xorg package installed |
| 06:00.40 | nsadmin | who in the HELL had the awesome stupidity to remove that man page?! |
| 06:00.57 | rainfyre | which man page? |
| 06:01.02 | nsadmin | X |
| 06:01.10 | rainfyre | seriously? |
| 06:01.30 | nsadmin | yeah, it's -gone- |
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| 06:01.53 | Funkadelic | Is it gone for everyone, not just me? |
| 06:02.27 | terron | man X still works for me |
| 06:02.32 | Funkadelic | so yeah... I thought x11vnc was supposed to be simple to use |
| 06:02.52 | nsadmin | terron, what section is it in? what version of debian? |
| 06:03.03 | terron | X(7) |
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| 06:03.50 | nsadmin | so somewhere there's an X.7? |
| 06:04.15 | nsadmin | could you do... |
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| 06:04.33 | nsadmin | dpkg -S X.7 |
| 06:04.34 | dpkg | Badgers ate my X.7! |
| 06:04.43 | Funkadelic | nigga stole my bike! |
| 06:04.53 | Funkadelic | lol meme is old |
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| 06:05.39 | nsadmin | it's a really good read on the initial concepts of X |
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| 06:05.56 | terron | /usr/share/man/man7/X.7.gz |
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| 06:06.50 | nsadmin | there it is, xorg-docs-core |
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| 06:07.10 | nsadmin | anyway install that if you want to |
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| 06:07.17 | iandalton | How can I choose a different shell when chrooting? |
| 06:07.41 | nsadmin | chroot dir command |
| 06:08.06 | nsadmin | for example, chroot /my/sid/install /bin/bash |
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| 06:08.16 | iandalton | I tried chroot <dir> /bin/bash, and I get "failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error" |
| 06:08.46 | nsadmin | you seem to have different kind of binaries |
| 06:08.55 | slikts | I have a really good idea for a distro name |
| 06:09.00 | slikts | there could be a distro called Sausagefest |
| 06:09.03 | iandalton | ah, this SystemRescueCD is probably i386, and my system is amd64 |
| 06:09.36 | nsadmin | slikts, I'll call your sausagefest and raise you two fish markets |
| 06:10.00 | slikts | that's a new one |
| 06:10.22 | slikts | today I learned… |
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| 06:17.25 | mastamind | is the version of dovecot in squeeze vulnerable for CVE-2009-3555? |
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| 06:18.18 | Diopter | mastamind: I highly doubt it. |
| 06:19.57 | mastamind | Diopter: i cannot find any information about that and openssl s_client successfully renegotiates the tls connection using -legacy_renegotiation. |
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| 06:24.45 | lcc | hi debian |
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| 06:29.46 | Tuhin | *.deb files for x86 can be installed in Raspberry Pi (ARM cpu) ? |
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| 06:30.32 | Diopter | Tuhin: Why would that work? You'd want the ARM packages. |
| 06:30.53 | Tuhin | debian have different repository for arm packages? |
| 06:31.17 | Tuhin | i don't own Raspberry PI yet... thinking about 1 |
| 06:31.20 | Diopter | mastamind: http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2141 |
| 06:32.06 | mastamind | Diopter: dovecot is using gnutls and not openssl. |
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| 06:32.31 | Diopter | mastamind: That's fine, but, the CVE you listed cross-references to that DSA |
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| 06:32.57 | mastamind | Diopter: what does that say about dovecot and gnutls? |
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| 06:36.27 | Diopter | mastamind: Doesn't appear to. But it's how Debian Security dealt with the CVE you mentioned. |
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| 06:38.04 | lcc | how can I fetch the src for all of the packages on cd1 only, instead of an entire cd set? |
| 06:38.28 | mastamind | Diopter: there is no information about gnutls and dovecot and I repeat: renegotiations work with dovecot imap. |
| 06:39.15 | Diopter | mastamind: Cool! I wasn't claiming to know how to answer your question. I'm just showing you the only thing I can find Debian mentioning re: CVE-2009-3555 |
| 06:39.37 | mastamind | Diopter: thank you... |
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| 06:52.36 | gnugr | lcc:by adding "deb-src" in your /etc/apt/sources.list you can the source of any package you want with "apt-get source <package>/squeeze" |
| 06:53.15 | cantido | hopes lcc isn't thinking of rebuilding everything.. |
| 06:53.16 | gnugr | s/you can/get |
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| 06:59.35 | lcc | cantido: no I want to redistribute the src along with the cd. |
| 06:59.46 | lcc | just for cd1 though. |
| 06:59.57 | lcc | cantido: ^ |
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| 07:24.35 | Timmy | i try to connect to a wireless accesspoint on my laptop. i use iwconfig eth0 essid V-Wreless. after that iwconfig says it has been connected to the access point, but ifconfig says wlan0 doesn't connected to anywhere and no ip address has been taken. what's the problem? |
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| 07:31.40 | we6jbo123123 | Hello |
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| 07:33.34 | Timmy | we6jbo123123: it's dd of debian today |
| 07:33.35 | we6jbo123123 | Hello |
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| 07:34.25 | we6jbo123123 | Dooms |
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| 07:34.54 | Timmy | we6jbo123123: no, death day of debian |
| 07:35.01 | Timmy | ppl are dead here |
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| 07:35.21 | we6jbo123123 | What |
| 07:36.09 | Timmy | today ubuntu 12.04 will be released. so they are preparing their computers to update their operation system :-p |
| 07:36.47 | we6jbo123123 | So |
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| 07:37.53 | Timmy | So i think it's better to ask your question somewhere else, if it is releated to kernel stuffs, go and ask in #linux or if it's similar to ubuntu go to #ubuntu (though you never will get your answer) |
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| 07:38.18 | Timmy | and if you are her to flirt, #defocus is a nice channel for Yah :D |
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| 07:40.49 | gnugr | Timmy:do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 07:41.34 | Timmy | gnugr: no |
| 07:41.46 | Timmy | gnugr: dont have access to internet |
| 07:42.10 | gnugr | Timmy:not even with cable? |
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| 07:43.23 | Timmy | gnugr: yep, and even cable |
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| 07:49.50 | fredl | how do I make a screenshot? I used to just point and click on something in GNOME 2, hardly ever used it, but cant find it back in GNOME 3 |
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| 07:50.14 | fredl | well screenshot... a partial screenshot that is |
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| 07:50.48 | fragrant | Hi, how can i make a pdf file from 4 pdf files? I need to merge those 4 into one. |
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| 07:51.54 | colo-work | fragrant, as I already told you, check out pdftk. |
| 07:51.57 | colo-work | it can merge PDF files. |
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| 07:54.15 | gnugr | Timmy:edit your /etc/network/interfaces and check what you get, see this: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 07:55.54 | we6jbo123 | Hello. |
| 07:56.51 | gnugr | we6jbo123:ask what is your problem and someone will answer you |
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| 07:59.31 | gnugr | Timmy:fix your eth0 and then we can manage your wifi |
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| 08:12.52 | sephii | colo-work: I think gs can do that for you |
| 08:13.12 | sephii | colo-work: (ghostscript) |
| 08:15.00 | colo-work | it sure can, yes |
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| 08:31.01 | project2501a | huh. date field in the apache access log: should it not be formatted the same way as the error log? |
| 08:32.49 | Sm0ke0ut | depends on the configurations |
| 08:32.55 | Sm0ke0ut | it doesn't have to be the same :) |
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| 08:34.30 | project2501a | Sm0ke0ut: ok, let's say the standard thing out of the apache2 package. what is the default there? |
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| 08:35.14 | totonno | ciao |
| 08:35.23 | totonno | !list |
| 08:35.23 | dpkg | totonno: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 08:35.43 | project2501a | ciao ragazzi |
| 08:36.10 | secret_hamster | anyone seen an issue on 6.0.4 whereby the boot partition becomes locked. It's failing an fsck check on boot and halting the boot at that point until continued with a ctrl-D |
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| 08:36.42 | project2501a | you might want to check the partition, anyway |
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| 08:37.08 | totonno | riciao |
| 08:37.14 | totonno | !list |
| 08:37.15 | dpkg | totonno: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 08:37.30 | themill | totonno: no warez here |
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| 08:37.50 | project2501a | plenty of wares! gcc 0-day |
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| 08:38.29 | totonno | !list |
| 08:38.29 | dpkg | totonno: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 08:38.59 | project2501a | good morning the-dude |
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| 08:39.07 | project2501a | erh, themill :> |
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| 08:42.14 | Hotwired_ | hey all |
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| 08:43.18 | Hotwired_ | i have a system running stable (and a very very long calculation i dont want to stop) but i want to upgrade to testing for new python amgost other things. Is it going it cause problems if i dist-upgrade but never reboot into the new kernal? |
| 08:43.36 | Tuncay-URFA | selem millet |
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| 08:45.35 | secret_hamster | http://pastebin.com/GMAL5Kyj that's the errot I'm getting |
| 08:45.43 | secret_hamster | regarding the fsck on /boot |
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| 08:46.00 | themill | Hotwired_: what precisely do you want from a newer python? (also, schroot makes it very easy to have a newer python inside a chroot without moving to testing). It might also be time to build some sort of checkpointing into your calculation... |
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| 08:50.05 | Hotwired_ | themill: i need new modules mostly. if i run python within a schroot can it still access the main system. (if i had written the calculation s/w i'd have made checkpointing much better!) |
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| 08:51.29 | themill | Hotwired_: if it's one or two modules then selectively backport them (/msg dpkg ssb). When using schroot, you usually bind-mount things like your $HOME into the chroot |
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| 09:21.06 | jargon- | i've got this weird problem. on some boxes this command executes and returns the prompt immediately. on other boxes, same ssmtp config, the return to prompt takes about 8 seconds. anybody ever had this issue or know what the problem could be? here's the command `echo test | mail -s "testing ssmtp setup" my@email.org` |
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| 09:22.38 | esto | seems some dns thing |
| 09:23.02 | jargon- | esto: locally? or with my mail provider? |
| 09:23.03 | esto | s/seems/could be/ |
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| 09:23.31 | esto | are all servers using same dns? |
| 09:23.41 | jargon- | esto: all local servers, yes |
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| 09:26.00 | esto | starting ssmtp in both servers with debug is the same log? |
| 09:26.21 | jargon- | let me check |
| 09:27.53 | galexydeb | it seems the standard repoitories for debian lenny do not work, how shall I change my sources.list such that apt-get update in my lenny linux work ? |
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| 09:28.22 | galexydeb | it is linux 5.0 |
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| 09:29.05 | colo-work | it is Debian 5.0 |
| 09:29.10 | colo-work | you should upgrade to Debian 6.0 |
| 09:29.49 | galexydeb | no I do not want to upgrade now, I just want to install additional packages, upgrading will took tim |
| 09:29.51 | galexydeb | time |
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| 09:30.23 | esto | you can use archive repositories for lenny |
| 09:30.49 | galexydeb | just add the work "archive" at the end of each line in sources.list ? you mean ? |
| 09:31.08 | galexydeb | <<word>> |
| 09:31.08 | themill | galexydeb: restoring a machine that has unwanted visitors because it's not getting security support will cost you even more time |
| 09:31.12 | esto | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 09:31.15 | themill | dpkg: tell galexydeb about lenny sources.list |
| 09:31.16 | esto | iirc |
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| 09:31.21 | themill | dpkg: tell galexydeb about lenny->squeeze |
| 09:32.11 | galexydeb | themill : thanks that what I wanted, I will consider your point about security |
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| 09:32.59 | themill | galexydeb: you have had 15 months to plan and then do the upgrade... |
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| 09:33.40 | galexydeb | themill : I have a lot of linux boxes, debian 6, fedora 15, ...but this special box was debian 5 |
| 09:34.16 | galexydeb | <<fedora 16>> ! |
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| 09:34.37 | alexander__b | I got an e-mail from someone who's doing .deb packaging for a project of mine. he said that Debian package standards requires the versioning to be X.X.X, but our release is alpha 1 (for version 1). what does Debian do about alhpas/betas? |
| 09:35.10 | themill | alexander__b: so this is something that will eventually become 1.0? |
| 09:35.23 | pcormack | alexander__b: 1.0.0a |
| 09:35.32 | alexander__b | themill: yes. on Gentoo it is "1.0_alpha1". |
| 09:35.53 | nsadmin | alexander__b, so you don't presently consider your thing to be mature/stable? |
| 09:36.21 | alexander__b | nsadmin: it is 100% stable. |
| 09:36.27 | ansgar | alexander__b: 1.0~alpha1 will work for a package in Debian (it sorts before 1.0). |
| 09:36.35 | themill | alexander__b: your packager can use 1.0~alpha1 (~ is a special character for this sort of thing). Your packager can also as in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net or on the d-mentors mailing list |
| 09:37.08 | themill | pcormack: that is a version number that is greater than 1.0.0 so it's not a great choice |
| 09:37.29 | nsadmin | oh it is? oh ok, so you're saying it's stable and you're just now making alpha releases |
| 09:37.30 | nsadmin | ? |
| 09:37.43 | themill | nsadmin: what does that have to do with it? |
| 09:38.15 | alexander__b | nsadmin: it is an alpha test because we are having people hunt for oddities in the physics engine. it won't crash or leak memory or do anything bad. |
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| 09:39.24 | alexander__b | it's feature-lacking, not buggy. we have been coding with "stability > features" all the way. you can always add features later, but de-borking a bunch of lulzy hacks is not always easily doable. |
| 09:42.00 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I've been using code versioned 0.0.6b or 0.27 in production for a long while. The numbers or "alpha" mean nothing. |
| 09:42.19 | nsadmin | alexander__b, oh, ok... well certainly it's a good thing you're releasing at that stage so people can evaluate... when you said alpha earlier, I had thought that implied untested and that the maturity level was that of a new submission and/or maturity level unknown |
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| 09:43.05 | fasta_ | Software that ends up in Debian Stable also doesn't mean anything; look at gnome-panel. |
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| 09:43.19 | fasta_ | Is there any version of gnome-panel that does not crash? |
| 09:43.33 | CruX| | nope |
| 09:43.34 | nsadmin | jelly-home, yes, and, a dev representative is here now to say what he means by it |
| 09:43.47 | fasta_ | I am considering to build a chroot just to have an environment that doesn't crash. |
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| 09:43.54 | alexander__b | nsadmin: I realise this is very often the case with alphas. especially with games. but this is more a "is our physics doing something really weird? please tell us now, while the code base is small and the relevant code is fresh in our memories". |
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| 09:44.05 | fasta_ | Except.. I wouldn't know what to put there, since likely everything sucks. |
| 09:44.40 | fasta_ | So, question again: how do I get a version of gnome-panel which works? |
| 09:44.54 | themill | fasta_: submit patches for its bugs |
| 09:44.59 | alexander__b | i.e. what Bethesda should probably have done with each and every Elder Scrolls game a hundred times or more. ;-) |
| 09:45.04 | themill | fasta_: remember how you were going to stick to asking closed questions that actually have answers and leave the ranting in /dev/null? |
| 09:45.27 | nsadmin | alexander__b, one way to put that out there is to put a note to that effect in the description text |
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| 09:45.50 | alexander__b | nsadmin: good idea. |
| 09:46.00 | fasta_ | themill: I didn't write gnome-panel, so I don't feel the responsibility to fix someone else's mess. |
| 09:46.28 | themill | fasta_: I guess you'll have to stick to using software that you did write then. Feel free to /part now. |
| 09:46.38 | fasta_ | I get the impression that once something hits stable, all the devs are bored with it. |
| 09:46.52 | jbee | fasta_: on the other hand, you're using "someone else's mess" |
| 09:46.57 | nsadmin | also I would say that you'll confuse people by saying "1.0" and "alpha"; normally an alpha version number is less than 1... but that may also be misleading |
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| 09:47.14 | fasta_ | Ok, so any replacement for gnome-panel which is being maintained? |
| 09:47.29 | nsadmin | you may wish to consider it beta instead of alpha |
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| 09:47.53 | themill | fasta_: gnome-panel is being maintained. |
| 09:48.06 | fasta_ | This is the same sentiment: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/tar-gz-of-a-gnome-panel-more-stable-for-debian-stable-lol-639754/ |
| 09:48.18 | fasta_ | Expressed in 2008 even. |
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| 09:48.45 | nsadmin | surely they would have fixed the bugs by this time... |
| 09:48.45 | themill | so a completely different version then. |
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| 09:54.03 | nsadmin | themill, he's actually looking for a dropin replacement, thinking maybe it crashes less or not at all, and is wondering if such a thing exists |
| 09:54.29 | nsadmin | perhaps not made by gnome devs? |
| 09:54.41 | themill | nsadmin: no, this is just the same level of ranting and trolling that we get from fasta every time he says anything in #debian. |
| 09:54.57 | fasta_ | themill: what is your definition of 'maintained'? |
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| 09:55.14 | fasta_ | themill: it's certainly not the same as my definition. |
| 09:55.26 | themill | fasta_: new versions are being released so you can't say it's unmaintained. |
| 09:55.35 | fasta_ | themill: when was the last one released? |
| 09:55.49 | themill | a couple of weeks ago... seriously |
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| 09:56.18 | fasta_ | themill: I see 2.30.2-2 here. |
| 09:56.30 | themill | dpkg: tell fasta_ about stable |
| 09:56.40 | nsadmin | fasta_, the definition is in the new maintainer's guide |
| 09:56.42 | fasta_ | Why isn't there a date field? |
| 09:57.14 | themill | fasta_: date for what? last time you asked a sensible question? |
| 09:57.24 | themill | dpkg: tell fasta_ about changelog |
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| 09:57.29 | fasta_ | themill: no, in Synaptic for when the last version was released. |
| 09:57.40 | themill | fasta_: how would synaptic know that? |
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| 09:58.02 | fasta_ | themill: considering that it is a package manager.. it should know that. |
| 09:58.12 | fasta_ | themill: and the 'how' is completely trivial to implement. |
| 09:58.20 | themill | fasta_: we want less information in Packages files, not more |
| 09:58.43 | themill | and nothing in debian records when upstream versions were released, only debian revisions |
| 09:58.43 | fasta_ | themill: if you want that, you would implement things differently. |
| 09:58.54 | themill | fasta_: I look forward to your patches |
| 09:58.56 | fasta_ | themill: example: not send _all_ package information. |
| 09:59.02 | fasta_ | themill: only the stuff that has been installed. |
| 09:59.09 | fasta_ | themill: send diffs. |
| 09:59.19 | themill | umm... that's how it's done |
| 09:59.23 | ansgar | fasta_: ike the diffs that already exist? |
| 09:59.28 | fasta_ | themill: no, that's not how it is done. |
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| 09:59.37 | fasta_ | themill: only the diffs part for _everything_ is done. |
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| 10:00.37 | fasta_ | themill: it could also only fetch on demand. |
| 10:00.53 | fasta_ | themill: you know, like Google answers queries for much larger data sets in 0.02 seconds. |
| 10:01.25 | jbee | there might be a tiny difference in the size of infrastructure between debian project and google... |
| 10:01.33 | fasta_ | In short, it has nothing to do with your perceived perfection of Debian. |
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| 10:01.48 | fasta_ | jbee: Google works just as well on one modern machine for less users. |
| 10:02.01 | themill | fasta_: please send patches for apt, dak, the mirroring software and for all of the mirrors. You might need to change the operating system of the mirrors too while you're at it. I'm sure they'll love you for that, |
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| 10:02.12 | fasta_ | jbee: perhaps you should read their first paper and see the hugely underpowered hardware that they used there. |
| 10:02.38 | ansgar | themill: I am fairly sure we would reject anything in that direction. |
| 10:02.41 | fasta_ | themill: I am fine with things not being perfect, but not when someone claims that they are. |
| 10:02.44 | jbee | yeah, cause i havent a long time ago |
| 10:02.44 | themill | ansgar: I'm sure you would too |
| 10:02.52 | fasta_ | themill: which is really what you were implying. |
| 10:02.52 | jbee | nobody said debian is perfect |
| 10:02.56 | themill | fasta_: who is doing that? You're ranting and I'm hoping you'll just go away |
| 10:03.07 | babilen | fasta_: What problem do you need help with and what do you think we can/should do about it? I have the impression that you merely try to vent some stream and that you are not trying to solve an actual problem. Please realise that we are all volunteers who help others in our free time. Please respect that. |
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| 10:03.56 | fasta_ | babilen: one version of gnome-panel that works or a replacement project which is based on gnome2 which has fixed these issues which can be installed in Debian (even when building from source, but then with one command to do so). |
| 10:04.22 | jbee | do you want a graphical installer with that? |
| 10:04.47 | fasta_ | jbee: if you don't think what I am asking is reasonable, then you lack a brain. |
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| 10:05.07 | themill | fasta_: that's more than enough... |
| 10:05.24 | babilen | fasta_: You are using Debian stable which more or less means that the software you use is *stable* (In the Debian sense) -- If you want/need newer version you can either patch the gnome-panel version you have and recompile (/msg dpkg package recompile), track testing or unstable or (best option) use a distribution that lives more on the bleeding edge with its releases. |
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| 10:06.12 | babilen | fasta_: And I agree with themill - Please take the ranting elsewhere. If you want us to work constructively on a problem we are more than willing to do that, but stop the ranting as it helps nothing. |
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| 10:06.35 | nsadmin | also if you put other versions in there, you defeat stability |
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| 10:22.50 | jomofcw | Hello =) |
| 10:22.57 | tnetennba | hi |
| 10:23.17 | jomofcw | How to allow each user of a group to modify/create/delete file in a directory ? please. |
| 10:24.19 | jbee | chmod -R g+rw $directory |
| 10:24.46 | jomofcw | jbee hello and thanks :) |
| 10:24.52 | nsadmin | and also chgrp yourgroup $directory |
| 10:25.05 | jomofcw | OK thanks nsadmin :) |
| 10:25.30 | tnetennba | I've made a mistake! I had debian stable, and i needed a program that was only available on the sid repo, but i didn't know what that meant so i updated all the system with the sid repo. Now I have debian unstable on my main computer with all my important files and programs. How can I go back to debian stable?? |
| 10:25.40 | nsadmin | you may wish to chmod g+s $dir |
| 10:25.55 | jbee | tnetennba: short answer: you can't |
| 10:26.05 | themill | tnetennba: reinstall from your backups... |
| 10:26.09 | tnetennba | jbee: D: |
| 10:26.13 | jomofcw | How can I list each user please ? |
| 10:26.22 | jbee | jomofcw: cat /etc/passwd |
| 10:26.28 | nsadmin | tnetennbam, one would hope you have backups |
| 10:26.51 | jbee | jomofcw: cat /etc/passwd|cut -d":" -f1 |
| 10:27.05 | tnetennba | I'll do that now.. I thought I could go back to stable :( |
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| 10:27.35 | tnetennba | thank you! |
| 10:27.39 | jbee | tnetennba: well, iirc technically you can, but it's just not worth the trouble.. |
| 10:27.50 | jomofcw | jbee thanks :) |
| 10:27.52 | tnetennba | jbee: i see |
| 10:28.31 | nsadmin | it's very hard to support downgrades... so, it's not done. trivial packages can be downgraded, nontrivial ones cannot |
| 10:28.36 | jomofcw | hm... jbee in this file I can't see the group of the user ? (I remove the cut) |
| 10:28.53 | jbee | jomofcw: groups are in /etc/group |
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| 10:29.32 | jbee | also, there is id, id $username gives you the groups |
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| 10:29.38 | jomofcw | OK ^^ thanks :D. |
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| 10:30.44 | Mandor | So, I'm a long-time Debian user. I've even submitted a few patches. |
| 10:31.23 | Mandor | I also maintain a sotware package which formerly was part of Debian. But someone else packaged it for Debian. |
| 10:31.34 | Mandor | Now that maintainer has apparently stopped maintaining it. |
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| 10:31.43 | Mandor | And the package looks to fall out of Debian. :( |
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| 10:32.20 | jbee | Mandor: so what's your question? |
| 10:32.21 | Mandor | I'd like to maintain it for Debian. |
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| 10:32.24 | jbee | ah. |
| 10:32.38 | Mandor | Various pages say I need a sponsor. |
| 10:32.44 | Mandor | [I think.] |
| 10:32.56 | Mandor | Help? |
| 10:33.06 | daemonkeeper | Mandor: Try #debian-mentors on OFTC for your questions. Which packge by the way? |
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| 10:33.27 | Mandor | daemonkeeper: thanks. log-analysis |
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| 10:38.48 | LordDeath | "SASL Authentications failed 3886 Time(s) Service smtp (rimap) - 3886 Time(s):" |
| 10:39.10 | LordDeath | so I have to add a sasl rule into fail2ban? |
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| 10:43.20 | acu | did anyone used hearbeat ? I understand that heartbeat will make sure that two clone computers are "fail over" connected - if one fails the other takes over - however I am not clear how the synchronization works - it should be something like a continuos backup going on ? |
| 10:44.18 | lollo64it | 0 |
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| 10:46.17 | anakreon | Hello list. After an upgrade, although I have access to the internet, no server names can be resolved. To access a web page or the irc I have to provide the server's IP |
| 10:46.37 | anakreon | Any advice on how to resolve or find what causes the problem? |
| 10:46.53 | acu | !resolve |
| 10:47.03 | acu | resolve! |
| 10:47.22 | ChrisH | anakreon: explain more :) Do you have setup your own DNS or configured it somehow? nscd involved? |
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| 10:47.56 | anakreon | I have set the DNS ip to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:48.29 | pcormack | anakreon: check resolv.conf |
| 10:48.55 | anakreon | I haven't changed the configuration for months now and it worked until the upgrade. The other office colleges have internet access so I ma sure it is not a p[roblem of the DNS server. |
| 10:49.24 | pcormack | anakreon: dhcp? |
| 10:49.32 | anakreon | I have seen this file. It is empty except for a comment stating that it is autogeneratec |
| 10:49.44 | anakreon | static ip |
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| 10:50.12 | anakreon | I am using the precise distribution |
| 10:50.19 | ChrisH | DNS IP in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:50.34 | anakreon | Yes, there is where it is set |
| 10:50.47 | ChrisH | DNS IP in /etc/network/interfaces? put it for a test into /etc/resolv.conf to see if the mechanism does work |
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| 10:50.59 | anakreon | Ok. |
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| 10:51.50 | ChrisH | anakreon: you need to put nameserver before the IP, eg: nameserver 1.2.3.4 |
| 10:52.14 | anakreon | tab separated? |
| 10:52.18 | ksk | hell no |
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| 10:52.45 | anakreon | I mean the nameserver and the IP following it |
| 10:53.06 | ksk | i mean no, no tab |
| 10:53.10 | ksk | just a space |
| 10:53.50 | anakreon | Ok. Do I call /etc/init.d/networking restart for the changes to take effect? |
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| 10:54.22 | ChrisH | ksk: man page says white space |
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| 10:54.39 | ChrisH | anakreon: no, that is expected to wipe the changes again |
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| 10:55.54 | anakreon | Do I need to invoke a command or are the changes supposed to take effect automatically? |
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| 10:56.05 | ChrisH | anakreon: nslookup www.google.de |
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| 10:56.47 | ChrisH | anakreon: active as you wrote the file |
| 10:56.54 | ksk | depends on the application, the gnu tools should use it in realtime |
| 10:56.54 | anakreon | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 10:57.01 | ksk | others do caching |
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| 10:57.43 | anakreon | The DNS IP is 155.207.0.31 |
| 10:58.18 | alak_ | hi, might not be the right channel, but it seems most active so i´l ask it here. I have a zombie proccess killing script from http://www.mariusv.com/automatic-zombie-processes-killing-shell-script/ |
| 10:58.28 | anakreon | The content if resolv.conf is "nameserver 155.207.0.31" (no quotes). It doesn't work |
| 10:58.40 | alak_ | however whenever i run the script and it finds zombie proccesses it asks y/n to kill 1 |
| 10:58.47 | anakreon | Are there any log files which could help find what's wrong? |
| 10:58.52 | jbee | anakreon: try nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:59.05 | anakreon | In resolv.conf? |
| 10:59.09 | jbee | yup |
| 10:59.12 | alak_ | so if i´d like to run this with cron, how do i disable the y/n echo |
| 10:59.29 | ChrisH | alak_: Why do you need to kill zombies? Please explain |
| 10:59.45 | anakreon | jbee, it does work |
| 10:59.54 | anakreon | Why? |
| 10:59.56 | jbee | then the ip was wrong |
| 10:59.58 | alak_ | they are causing unneccesary load |
| 11:00.06 | jbee | 8.8.8.8 is a dns server provided by google |
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| 11:00.18 | ChrisH | alak_: How can zombies cause load? |
| 11:00.20 | jbee | your server apparently didn't respond |
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| 11:00.40 | jbee | "your server" being 155.207... |
| 11:00.43 | anakreon | It is strange because it worked until the upgrade. Could it be just a coincidence that it stopped working after the upgrade? |
| 11:00.51 | alak_ | sorry i didn´t express myself good |
| 11:01.01 | alak_ | they have caused I/O errors before on my server |
| 11:01.04 | alak_ | would like to avoid it |
| 11:01.10 | jbee | anakreon: do you use networkmanager? |
| 11:01.39 | anakreon | No. I configured the netwok months ago by changing the corresponding configuration files |
| 11:02.01 | jbee | hmm, no idea then. |
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| 11:02.26 | jbee | you said you use precise, right? |
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| 11:03.29 | ChrisH | alak_: The definition of a zombie process is: A process which released all ressources like Filedescriptors, Memeory etc. Its only unable to provide its return code/exit code to this parent process. The only impact a zombie has is: It does take a PID from the process table. |
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| 11:04.19 | alak_ | ChrisH : Sorry then, i guess i misread an article..my bad. |
| 11:04.58 | jbee | anakreon: if you use precise as in ubuntu 12.04, maybe ask your question in one of their channels? |
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| 11:05.45 | ChrisH | alak_: Therefore I was asking why you want to kill them. You cannot kill a zombie as its dead already. You might improve the situation by detetcing the parent and killing that process. |
| 11:06.08 | ChrisH | If you have a SW generating lots of zombies, get the programmers to clean it up. |
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| 11:07.40 | gnarface | alak_: of course... you might freeze the terminal or IO lock the whole system too... its better to just not use software that's been eating mad cow brain |
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| 11:08.25 | JoeHazzers | this is odd... i'm constantly getting different ssh key fingerprints on my remote machine and getting a different key when i connect |
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| 11:08.37 | alak_ | thanks for explaining guys |
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| 11:09.18 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: you mean without the ip address or hostname you're using changing? |
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| 11:09.54 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: keep in mind that fingerprint includes the ip and hostname -- if you change one the fingerprint will no longer match |
| 11:10.32 | ksk | does rebooting a debian machine via "ctrl alt del" create a entry in syslog? |
| 11:10.33 | JoeHazzers | my other machine gives the correct fingerprint |
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| 11:11.22 | JoeHazzers | that's slightly irritating... i have my ssh config setup so i only have to do "ssh host" which is giving a different fingerprint to "ssh host.domain.com" |
| 11:11.49 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: i believe that's expected behavior |
| 11:12.13 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: if its important for you to be able to connect to the same host via more than one hostname then just cache both fingerprints... |
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| 11:13.09 | JoeHazzers | i think it could be my DNS resolution |
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| 11:13.23 | JoeHazzers | will ssh do a dns lookup before looking through my config? |
| 11:13.33 | ChrisH | ksk: I would not expect another entry then reboot or init 6 would create. Initiating a reboot from an ILOM/LOM might create a different entry |
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| 11:15.42 | rgr | no I doubt it since it uses the hostname you specifiy to pick up ssh/config values |
| 11:15.47 | rgr | and port etc |
| 11:16.37 | JoeHazzers | hrm, that's weird... |
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| 11:16.43 | JoeHazzers | gnarface: are you familiar with ssh-keygen? |
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| 11:19.47 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: somewhat, why? |
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| 11:20.43 | JoeHazzers | gnarface: ssh-keygen -r -f <host key> seems to be, uh, wrong |
| 11:21.19 | bla | How do I stop Gnome from opening a X window asking for passphrase to ssh key when logging with SSH? And most important - how to I stop it from caching this passphrase? |
| 11:21.37 | jbee | bla: killall gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 11:21.41 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: i assume your parameter for -f is what's wrong. but i don't know, i always just edit the file manually |
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| 11:22.09 | ChrisH | I am running KDE 4:4.6.5 in Dual Head Setup; Now I have the issue that I need to kill lock around once a week. I never had this with the KDE 3 installation before. Known Issue? |
| 11:22.28 | bla | jbee, thanks, I've removed gnome-keyring package (it had this daemon), I guess this should do it then. |
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| 11:23.15 | bla | Hmhm... wat; now ssh just says it got a failure while tring to authenticate using a key. |
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| 11:23.34 | jbee | that was a bit drastic, maybe |
| 11:23.34 | virtuose | JoeHazzers: When making -r you should probably specify the host |
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| 11:23.53 | ChrisH | bla: you need at ssh-agent assitance then |
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| 11:24.27 | JoeHazzers | i don't get why, but my ssh keys are *wrong* |
| 11:24.52 | bla | ChrisH, how can it be enabled? |
| 11:25.32 | bla | I'll try reading, but it's strange. None of my Debians had any problems. Gnome installation does miracles. |
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| 11:27.18 | JoeHazzers | virtuose: even if i specify the host, the fingerprints don't change |
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| 11:27.23 | JoeHazzers | even if it's completely bogus |
| 11:27.35 | ChrisH | bla: exec ssh-agent $SHELL ; ssh-add |
| 11:28.43 | bla | After relogin it's started automatically after gnome-keyring was uninstalled. My understanding of how linux workstations work is poor. ;s |
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| 11:33.28 | JoeHazzers | virtuose: never mind, PEBKAC |
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| 11:43.29 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 11:58.18 | Slashman | hello, by error I made the mistake of mounting a LVM ext4 fs on / on a server where / was already mounted... I tried to umount it but now it says that / is read only and I can't umount it, reboot is not an option on this server, can someone help me? |
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| 11:59.32 | mparodi | Hello! |
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| 12:00.47 | ChrisH | Slashman: You were able to mount something onto an already mounted / ? |
| 12:01.07 | Slashman | ChrisH: yeah :/ did that by mistake |
| 12:01.22 | mparodi | would you remove pulse audio and install alsa instead? I was using alsa but since the last mega-upgrade it's using pulse and now it doesn't work at all u.u |
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| 12:01.58 | Slashman | ChrisH: "mount /dev/mapper/raid10-vrt--43--disk /" |
| 12:02.10 | ChrisH | how does df -h ; cat /etc/mtab look like -> pastbin. I personally would even consider powercycling the box to avoid data corruption. |
| 12:02.19 | Slashman | ChrisH: in place of "mount /dev/mapper/raid10-vrt--43--disk /mnt" |
| 12:03.00 | swi | Hello. I'v boot system, change ip in /etc/network/interfaces and reboot, and now i have not net and strange - i have a eth1 but in interfaces there is eth0. Where do i need to llok for thiss issue ? |
| 12:03.17 | Hotwired_ | for some reason echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space is needed to make the software i need (gaussian) run |
| 12:03.20 | Hotwired_ | how can i make root execute this command during start up? |
| 12:03.40 | sturles | Put it in /etc/rc.local |
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| 12:03.53 | Slashman | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/aPXHTvqG |
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| 12:04.26 | Hotwired_ | sturles: ty |
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| 12:05.25 | ChrisH | Slashman: You could try /dev/mapper/raid10-vrt--43--disk otherwise powercycle, reboot as fast as possible. (My personal opinion) |
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| 12:05.42 | Slashman | ChrisH: impossible to reboot this server |
| 12:06.10 | ChrisH | Corrupting data is possible! |
| 12:06.22 | Slashman | ChrisH: the thing is |
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| 12:07.08 | Slashman | ChrisH: I umounted /dev/mapper/raid10-vrtfms--43--disk, but the problem is that since it was mounted at one point, the system think that / is read-only now... |
| 12:07.23 | mparodi | look at that! http://paste.kde.org/463412 |
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| 12:07.39 | mosaieb | how can i find the model of graphic card of my laptop? i need to download a driver for that but i don't know the details of its model. |
| 12:08.47 | ChrisH | Slashman: last time from me. Get in touch with your customer,boss,XYZ and tell them a reboot/powerecycle is needed urgently. Having / in ro mode reduces the risk of data corruption. |
| 12:08.51 | ChrisH | mosaieb: lshw ? |
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| 12:14.21 | Slashman | ChrisH: solved |
| 12:15.21 | Slashman | ChrisH: solution : "umount /dev/mapper/raid10-vrtf--43--disk" then "mount -o remount,rw /" then "vi /etc/mtab" => remove the faulty line |
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| 12:22.32 | ChrisH | Slashman: fine. Anyhow I would scheduled for a reboot :) |
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| 12:24.34 | Slashman | ChrisH: it's okay, system is fine, it's not a problem since /var is on separated fs and was unaffected :p |
| 12:25.06 | Slashman | ChrisH: thanks anyway ;) |
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| 12:32.37 | Trewas | anton01: read the manpage, basically they take different input arguments |
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| 12:35.02 | slikts | debian killed my dog |
| 12:37.12 | hesco | Trying to setup a new user on my machine, but when I switch user to that user I get "No protocol specified; xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable; xrdb: Can't open display ':20'; etc." How can I resolve this please? |
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| 12:39.35 | intore | hi, i have a squeeze machine not connected to internet. i need to install dhcp client and i have debian sqqueze cd. how can i do it? |
| 12:39.45 | ChrisH | hesco: switch user means: su - newusername |
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| 12:47.30 | Hotwired_ | anyone got a rough idea how big a base debian gui install is, testing? |
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| 12:48.45 | gnarface | Hotwired_: pretty rough idea but i'm gonna guess somewhere between 2 and 10 GB? |
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| 12:49.26 | colo-work | def. not 10GB |
| 12:49.37 | colo-work | I'd be surprised if you even hit the 2GB wall |
| 12:49.37 | gnarface | colo-work: 7? |
| 12:49.39 | ksk | depends on the used gui anyways.. |
| 12:49.49 | gnarface | it also depends on the definition of "base" |
| 12:49.53 | colo-work | GNU/Linux distro footprint is rather small. |
| 12:49.57 | gnarface | you can get X with no apps for about 150MB |
| 12:50.00 | colo-work | compared to something like win7 |
| 12:50.12 | Hotwired_ | gnarface: i've managed to get myself in a bit of a pickle. I installed debian into a vm with a disk size of 8gb. It now has a full hdd, without parted installed for me to extend it. |
| 12:50.44 | Hotwired_ | gnarface: base being whats installed by default if you choice base system + desktop environment in the installer |
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| 12:52.04 | esto | i have a base system less that 1gb and apt-get install kde-full it will go to 2,5gb |
| 12:52.25 | robin_debspace | Hey all! Does anyone know a good and reliable tool for Debian Squeeze which creates incremental backups and can upload them to an FTP server? (I'd much rather use rsync or at least scp, but my datacenter only offers FTP backup space unfortunately). |
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| 12:54.01 | hesco | ChrisH, sorry no, not su but using the gnome tools to lock one user's screen, then 'Switch User' to another user session |
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| 12:59.14 | abrotman | robin_debspace: rdiff-backup? maybe .. not sure it does exactly what you want .. but i will wanr you FTP is very insecure |
| 12:59.56 | hesco | so that comment was intended to clarify what I said earlier about: Trying to setup a new user on my machine, but when I switch user to that user I get "No protocol specified; xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable; xrdb: Can't open display ':20'; etc." How can I resolve this please? |
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| 13:06.44 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Thanks a lot! And yes, I know… And I'd rather not use it either. Well, at least the actual FTP connection does not go through the internet, but through the datacenter's intranet, and the FTP server does support TLS… But still, it definitely isn't the best and most secure solution :-( |
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| 13:10.32 | gnarface | Hotwired_: that sounds like a pickle indeed. fyi i always start with an actual base system and only install what i need. |
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| 13:11.09 | Hotwired_ | gnarface: i tried to be sneaky, and now i have no home directory :P |
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| 13:16.58 | abrotman | robin_debspace: goodl uck |
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| 13:27.42 | cybrhuman | uhm, I got an odd issue, avahi-daemon keeps screwing up networksettings (avahi-daemon[1805]: withdrawing address record for interface eth0), any idea as to why? |
| 13:28.15 | jordanm | do you actually use avahi? |
| 13:28.45 | cybrhuman | jordanm: I don't know, I assume it was used for somthing since it was installed. |
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| 13:29.46 | jordanm | cybrhuman: just disable it, its used for zeroconf networking and file sharing |
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| 13:31.48 | robin_debspace | abrotman: thanks, I think I will need that… Thing is, it seems like I keep getting non-persistent connections to the server when using TLS so I think I'll have to look for another solution. Dang, this is so annoying, grrrr :-( |
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| 13:32.13 | jubo2 | Shukran shukran Debian GNU/Linux devels |
| 13:32.20 | jubo2 | what does this mean in practice: |
| 13:32.22 | cybrhuman | jordanm: Do you know why gnome wants it? not that I really want gnome though. |
| 13:32.22 | jubo2 | arp consumerium.org |
| 13:32.24 | jubo2 | consumerium.org: Host name lookup failure |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | robin_debspace: ugh, th'ats not good for backup reliability |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | jubo2: host consumerium.org returns what? |
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| 13:33.10 | jordanm | cybrhuman: no exactly, you can disable it without uninstalling it and that will keep perl happy |
| 13:33.11 | jubo2 | abrotman: I check.. |
| 13:33.46 | jubo2 | abrotman: says "command not found" |
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| 13:34.04 | jubo2 | so I need to sudo aptitude install host ? |
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| 13:34.38 | jubo2 | abrotman: says "Host consumerium.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" |
| 13:35.03 | pcormack | lowercase h |
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| 13:35.14 | abrotman | jubo2: seems like an issue |
| 13:35.29 | jubo2 | the weirder part is that http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/ is functioning well ( once again, thanks to Debian devels and MediaWiki devels ) |
| 13:35.34 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Haha, not at all! :-( Hey, maybe i should just ask my datacenter to install a tape drive in the server so I can use tar for backing up to that, lol :-) But that was soooooo before my time, I don't even know how much capacity those tapes used to have :-) |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | depends on the tape type |
| 13:36.07 | themill | jubo2: is this domain yours? |
| 13:36.12 | jubo2 | themill: yes |
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| 13:37.40 | jubo2 | It's renewed till spring 2013, so it hasn't expired. I went to the registrar and checked the DNS settings on web, they were ok also things with my VPS provider and their PRODNS software seem to be ok themill abrotman |
| 13:37.44 | themill | it doesn't seem to exist -- have you organised with your registrar to delegate it correctly? |
| 13:37.56 | robin_debspace | abrotman: hm, I guess you know much more about that matter than I do :-) Can you just give me an estimate so I know what we're actually talking about here? :-) And if I remember correctly, I think Dell even still produce tape drives and tapes for their servers... |
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| 13:38.06 | jubo2 | themill: hmm.. |
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| 13:38.37 | jubo2 | themill: yeah. yeah.. just got back from cheking all is ok with registrar a few minutes ago |
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| 13:39.31 | themill | jubo2: PRODNS.KOTISIVUT.COM claims not to know that domain -- perhaps you need to wait a little while for it to become live? |
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| 13:41.47 | jubo2 | themill: 'k .. what command showed you PRODNS.KOTISIVUT.COM ? |
| 13:41.49 | funkadelic | I installed x11vnc, and I did x11vnc -display :0 but it says XOpenDisplay(":0") failed. |
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| 13:42.38 | funkadelic | I'm using lxde btw. All the guides I can find online are for gnome or xfce, or occasionally kde. So the internet is useless |
| 13:43.09 | abrotman | robin_debspace: i know almost nothing about delll servers thankfullyother than i wouldn't buy them |
| 13:43.09 | jubo2 | themill: yeah.. i shoulda maybe off-the-top mentioned that I just changed the setting to point to the new Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 ( Squeeze ) server instead of the old Fedora Core 6 or 7 server ( from 2006ish ) |
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| 13:43.31 | abrotman | robin_debspace: if you can do a network backup, i'd do that .. otherwise, you're relying on someone to switch tapes once in awhile |
| 13:43.44 | themill | jubo2: that's what whois claims should be the registrar dns |
| 13:44.06 | funkadelic | afk |
| 13:44.14 | jubo2 | themill: wait a minute.. registrar .. it's only my VPS provider.. |
| 13:44.30 | themill | jubo2: err... that's what whois tells me is the registered dns. |
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| 13:44.53 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Yes yes, I know… I wasn't really 100% serious about the tape backup idea anyway, especially since I still have no idea how much you can store on these... |
| 13:44.59 | jubo2 | I register all normal domains with gandi.net ( they may be French, but _yet_ they do proper solid technology ) |
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| 13:45.29 | Dulak | You can fit 5TB onto a tape now. |
| 13:46.03 | jordanm | robin_debspace: up to 3TB compressed |
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| 13:46.19 | jordanm | robin_debspace: any enterprise backup solution is going to be designed for tape |
| 13:46.22 | jubo2 | I'm buying a VPS in the XEN cloud to work as rsync back-up solution and to host status.consumium.org from Gandi for 12€ billed monthly from my credit card |
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| 13:46.54 | hemanth | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Install_Debian trying that |
| 13:47.06 | hemanth | unable to proceed without grub/lilo |
| 13:47.11 | robin_debspace | abrotman: As for Dell servers, yes, I've heard lots of bad stuff about how they're being produced etc… However, I got to say that I had to deal with one a few years back, and somewhat liked the DRAC (Dell Remote Administration Card) that you can get along with it, I thought that one to be quite useful and flexible… But then, others say it's nothing compared to the remote management possibilities offered by HP servers but hmmm, I don't know. |
| 13:47.17 | hemanth | nstead of lilo/grub, choose without boot loader |
| 13:47.35 | hemanth | choosing that will take me back to install grub/lilo |
| 13:47.38 | hesco | I have created a new user, but nothing I try permits them to log in to an X session |
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| 13:47.59 | hesco | I'm seeing: xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable and xrdb: Can't open display ':20' |
| 13:48.01 | jordanm | robin_debspace: iDRAC is much better than what is offered by supermicro, never used the HP solution though |
| 13:48.10 | hesco | any clues how to get past this? |
| 13:48.44 | jubo2 | So anyways.. http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/ works http://consumerium.org doesn't work ( even with the www ) .. The Consum(er)ium development work has been online ( We have no hidden agenda ) for 10 yrs today, Wednesday April 25th 2012 !!! |
| 13:49.45 | jubo2 | Consumium has no hidden agenda.. I mean we'da found it by now if there was one.. |
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| 13:51.00 | jubo2 | http://consumium.org/ works !!! |
| 13:51.14 | geoffr | Hi, we have ~1500 servers upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze in the last few months, since the upgrade we're now getting about 3 servers a night freezing (unresponsive on the console & logging just stops). All these boxes are running the default 32 bit squeeze kernel and software raid with a pretty standard LAMP installation on that. We have munin graphing on each which shows no spikes in cpu, memory, io or disk activity around the time of the freeze |
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| 13:52.18 | jhutchins_wk | geoffr: Is the lockup happening at a consistent time? |
| 13:52.29 | robin_debspace | jordanm and others, thanksk for that info! Wow, I didn't actually know you could fit *that* much on a tape… Well, for now this would actually be much more than I'd need for one backup… The thing is, the server is currently being used to host my personal stuff, as well as some personal websites / files / mail accounts of some of my friends… So the data is mostly personal and shouldn't get lost / corrupted in any way, but it's not really enterp |
| 13:53.09 | jordanm | robin_debspace: for personal stuff, I would do rsync backups |
| 13:53.29 | geoffr | jhutchins: unfortunately no pattern the time can vary by hours, and servers which have frozen more than once will be at different times many days or weeks apart |
| 13:53.35 | jordanm | robin_debspace: tape backups will get very expensive once you add in the costs of autochangers and stuff |
| 13:53.59 | jhutchins_wk | robin_debspace: The drives can run thousands of dollars. |
| 13:54.10 | geoffr | jhutchins_wk: unfortunately no pattern the time can vary by hours, and servers which have frozen more than once will be at different times many days or weeks apart |
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| 13:55.38 | robin_debspace | jordanm: yes, rsync sounds like a good plan to me… Although that probably means renting out at least a virtual server with sufficient storage capacity and setting it up from scratch… Oh well :-) |
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| 13:56.35 | mindbender1 | has anyone experienced debian sid hanging with a white screen and unable to capture keyboard with Alt+SysRq+R |
| 13:56.38 | robin_debspace | jhutchins_wk: Thanks for that word of warning, greatly appreciated! :-) Well yes, I think that would be way too overpriced for my purposes :-) |
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| 13:57.37 | jhutchins_wk | Heh, the drive is $22,763, the tapes are $298 ea. |
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| 13:59.43 | robin_debspace | jhutchins_wk: Ahhhh nice, sounds like peanuts!!! :-) Let's go for it xD |
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| 14:05.48 | ironcamel | i am not having luck with debian. i got a brand new laptop and installed debian on it. i needed a newer kernel for the wifi drivers. so i set up backports. install kernel 3.2 . Now it won't boot into the 3.2 kernel :( |
| 14:06.27 | ironcamel | I bought a linux friendly laptop even, so as to not have these troubles. |
| 14:06.28 | ChrisH | ironcamel: What Debian, stable? My Laptop needed unstable to work. |
| 14:06.36 | ironcamel | yeah, stable |
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| 14:06.52 | ironcamel | is unstable = sid ? |
| 14:07.27 | babilen | ironcamel: yes, it is |
| 14:07.32 | themill | ironcamel: in what way does it not boot into the 3.2 kernel? |
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| 14:08.19 | tdrusk | ironcamel: let's start simple. What wifi card? |
| 14:08.56 | ironcamel | tdrusk: i don't care about wifi right now. just want to be able to get laptop to work with the newer kernel. |
| 14:09.37 | ironcamel | themill: it starts booting, there is some text on the screen, then there is a beep, and it just freezes there |
| 14:09.47 | JoeHazzers | that was EXTREMELY frightening on my dedi |
| 14:09.50 | themill | :( |
| 14:09.58 | JoeHazzers | power off... black screen, no keyboard response |
| 14:09.59 | JoeHazzers | just dead |
| 14:10.00 | JoeHazzers | o.o |
| 14:10.30 | ironcamel | if i boot back into the v2 kernel, it is fine |
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| 14:11.08 | ironcamel | the laptop came pre-installed with ubuntu |
| 14:11.12 | robin_debspace | ironcamel: if the system does not contain anything important yet, you could just go get a CD image of Debian Testing and install that, see if that works… If it doesn't, just upgrade to Sid. |
| 14:11.22 | ironcamel | so it can't be a hardware issue |
| 14:11.32 | themill | it's the same kernel in squeeze-backports/wheezy/sid though |
| 14:11.42 | ironcamel | robin_debspace: how do you upgrade to sid? |
| 14:12.21 | babilen | Could it be due to KMS + newer kernel + old Xorg? I would try upgrading Xorg as well to the version in squeeze-backports. |
| 14:12.50 | ironcamel | babilen: ok, i will try that |
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| 14:12.54 | themill | ironcamel: can you tell us anything more than "some text" and what was installed on the machine and how it should boot? |
| 14:13.01 | ironcamel | babilen: do you happen to know the package name for Xorg? |
| 14:13.02 | babilen | ironcamel: Do you have any idea what this ^^^^ :) |
| 14:13.20 | themill | dpkg: tell ironcamel about bpo xorg |
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| 14:14.26 | ironcamel | ok, i will try updating xorg. then i will try testing. then unstable. then i will be back to complain :) |
| 14:14.40 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having some dependency problems with apache2 in squeeze? |
| 14:14.56 | babilen | ironcamel: It would be much better if you could actually tell us what "some text" is before it freezes. |
| 14:15.16 | babilen | twobitsprite: → http://paste.debian.net (cf "/msg dpkg bat") |
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| 14:15.24 | twobitsprite | http://paste.debian.net/165149/ |
| 14:15.46 | ironcamel | babilen: Waiting for /dev to be fully populated ... |
| 14:16.07 | ironcamel | [ 8.23423] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: unknown i2c port 51 |
| 14:16.13 | twobitsprite | babilen: ^ |
| 14:16.17 | ironcamel | and 4 more lines like that |
| 14:16.19 | ironcamel | then a beep |
| 14:16.23 | themill | twobitsprite: I suspect you need to run an upgrade there. |
| 14:16.24 | ironcamel | then nothing |
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| 14:17.26 | twobitsprite | themill: I'd rather not do a full upgrade right now.. I'm just looking to patch for a security vulnerability in apache.. and ideas how else to work around this? |
| 14:17.45 | babilen | ironcamel: Yes, you need a newer nouveau driver with that kernel (or at least the other way round, try upgrading Xorg) -- Another approach would be to install xorg *and* the proprietary nvidia driver from backports, but that depends on your wishes. |
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| 14:18.21 | ironcamel | babilen: i did not see nvidia drivers when i did aptitude search nvidia |
| 14:18.23 | babilen | twobitsprite: Why? Upgrades should be security related anyway -- just run "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" and be done with it. |
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| 14:18.29 | themill | twobitsprite: how many other upgrades do you have outstanding? packages don't get updated for no reason.... |
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| 14:18.47 | jackbrownhf | IS there someone expert in network i have few question? |
| 14:18.48 | themill | twobitsprite: you could feasibly try "aptitude upgrade ~napache~i" and see if that helps you |
| 14:19.13 | ChrisH | jackbrownhf: ask your question and see who can or does answer. |
| 14:19.25 | babilen | ironcamel: They are packaged in the <non-free> suite of your repositories which is not necessarily enabled by default. Be that as it may: I strongly recommend to upgrade xorg now and come back regarding nvidia if you want that. |
| 14:19.26 | jackbrownhf | ChrisH: do you know how Ettercap works ? |
| 14:19.30 | ironcamel | babilen: how do i install nvidia drivers? |
| 14:19.38 | babilen | !tell ironcamel -about nvidia dkms |
| 14:19.45 | ironcamel | thanks |
| 14:20.10 | twobitsprite | themill: ahh, that did the trick, thanks... I really need to learn that tilda magic one day |
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| 14:20.49 | babilen | ironcamel: Those instructions will *not* work with the setup you currently have. I strongly recommend to upgrade xorg *first*, boot into your new kernel and then install nvidia from squeeze-backports. That requires that you install linux-header-$ARCH from backports (for your kernel) and then "nvidia-kernel-dkms" from backports as well. |
| 14:20.51 | themill | twobitsprite: you might want to look over the output of "aptitude search ~U" to see what else you are lagging behind on... |
| 14:20.52 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jackbrownhf about polls |
| 14:21.03 | funkadelic | I installed x11vnc, and I did x11vnc -display :0 but it says XOpenDisplay(":0") failed. I can't connect. I'm running LXDE, and I can't find any guides for that. How can I fix this? |
| 14:21.22 | themill | twobitsprite: I presume you're comfortable with your choice of apache mpm there -- apt looked a little confused. |
| 14:21.25 | jackbrownhf | Iridos: is a question about network and firewalls |
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| 14:23.33 | funkadelic | I installed x11vnc, and I did x11vnc -display :0 but it says XOpenDisplay(":0") failed. I can't connect. I'm running LXDE, and I can't find any guides for that. How can I fix this? |
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| 14:24.14 | DammitJim | holy cow... I'm like a kid in a candy store |
| 14:24.24 | Iridos | fat? |
| 14:24.25 | DammitJim | I just found a list of key combinations for the terminal to navigate it |
| 14:24.26 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 14:24.32 | pcormack | greedy? |
| 14:24.40 | pcormack | ahhh |
| 14:24.43 | Iridos | perhaps near-comatose |
| 14:24.44 | DammitJim | like Ctrl + u which erases the current line |
| 14:24.46 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 14:25.07 | Iridos | DammitJim, don't ever get used to those, though |
| 14:25.20 | DammitJim | Iridos, why? isn't that all saved in a config file? |
| 14:25.33 | Iridos | funkadelic, you're trying to start x11vnc via a remote connection |
| 14:25.45 | twobitsprite | themill: yeah, I do plan regular upgrades on my debian systems... its just the right now I have our security guy on my back about some particular CVE for apache... |
| 14:25.52 | funkadelic | Iridos: yes I am, via ssh |
| 14:26.11 | funkadelic | how else should I start it? The server is a couple hundred miles away |
| 14:26.12 | DammitJim | funkadelic, I start that by ssh'ing and running |
| 14:26.15 | DammitJim | x11vnc -many & |
| 14:26.38 | DammitJim | but it might be wrong... but it works :) |
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| 14:26.52 | Iridos | DammitJim, ? no... the point is, it makes you totally useless using any windows programs (or programs trying to imitate them)... where ctrl-a suddenly doesn't mean "start of line" but "mark everything" |
| 14:26.53 | themill | twobitsprite: several CVEs, based on how old the installed packages were... :( You might find cron-apt useful (/msg dpkg cron-apt) you can use it to automatically notify you of when there are packages available for you to upgrade and even have it download them for you to save you time later. |
| 14:27.08 | Iridos | funkadelic, and are you already logged in on that machine at the graphical interface? |
| 14:27.23 | DammitJim | Iridos, oh no, I can switch modes ;) |
| 14:27.27 | funkadelic | Iridos: No, I just installed LXDE |
| 14:27.33 | DammitJim | just like I do when I talk German vs Spanish |
| 14:27.46 | DammitJim | LOL... granted... sometimes I get them all mixed up |
| 14:28.00 | DammitJim | good point by Iridos |
| 14:28.11 | DammitJim | x11vnc -many & will not work unless X is running |
| 14:28.23 | funkadelic | How can I check if x is running? |
| 14:28.29 | DammitJim | or you have logged in (in my case, I must have logged in via slim) |
| 14:28.42 | DammitJim | sorry, it's not x running, right? it's a session that needs to be running |
| 14:28.49 | Iridos | funkadelic, then don't use x11vnc, it's probably not what you want. x11vnc connects to & steers the actual already running Desktop and someone sitting in front of the monitor can watch what you do. If you just want to do graphical stuff remotely use vnc4server or the server of tightvnc |
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| 14:29.05 | Iridos | funkadelic, they just start in the background creating a virtual desktop |
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| 14:29.26 | funkadelic | I was trying to set up vnc4server until someone said x11vnc is easier to set up |
| 14:29.29 | funkadelic | and here I am... |
| 14:29.42 | slikts | I have electroneurons in my head, am I going to die? |
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| 14:29.54 | Iridos | funkadelic, they serve different purposes... the question is which one you want |
| 14:30.10 | DammitJim | funkadelic, what do you need to do? |
| 14:30.34 | funkadelic | I need to set up something I can vnc into |
| 14:30.42 | funkadelic | I don't need to see it on the physical monitor |
| 14:31.35 | funkadelic | I need to do this so I can access web pages only visible from within the LAN. I tried setting up a VPN, but that crashed and burned harder than this idea |
| 14:31.41 | DammitJim | so, you need to control a program through a GUI on that machine? |
| 14:31.45 | Iridos | then don't use x11vnc... and btw. it's only easy to "set up" when you're already logged in... getting it to show the login screen is ... a bit difficult, I think |
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| 14:32.09 | DammitJim | funkadelic, an option might be to use an ssh proxy |
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| 14:32.26 | DammitJim | then you can use your browser on your local machine to open up the IP of that server |
| 14:32.57 | DammitJim | I use that when I need to for example edit my openwrt on my router at home while my wife complains that I locked something out LOL |
| 14:33.01 | funkadelic | ooh that is an option, ssh proxy |
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| 14:33.14 | cien | hi, I've installed iceweasel from backports and I can't drag items off or onto the top of iceweasel |
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| 14:33.24 | DammitJim | I use chrome (don't stone me) for every day stuff |
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| 14:33.38 | DammitJim | and I have firefox set up for a proxy connection through my ssh proxy |
| 14:33.42 | funkadelic | How can I set up this vnc4server anyway? I'm sure I'll find a use for it eventually, and I don't want to give up on this lol |
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| 14:33.56 | funkadelic | I just did #apt-get install vnc4server and it installed[ |
| 14:34.07 | funkadelic | the port 5900 is forwarded to the machine |
| 14:34.07 | DammitJim | funkadelic, that's the easy part |
| 14:34.09 | funkadelic | but I can't connect |
| 14:34.10 | Iridos | funkadelic, you have root access on the remote machine? |
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| 14:34.17 | funkadelic | yes Iridos I have root |
| 14:34.21 | Iridos | ah, just saw... |
| 14:34.28 | Iridos | I'm always a bit behind reading, it seems |
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| 14:34.40 | funkadelic | I'm always a bit ahead typing I guess :P |
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| 14:35.38 | Iridos | funkadelic, just run ssh -D 8001 remote.host ; then configure your browser to use localhost:8001 as a socks proxy |
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| 14:36.15 | funkadelic | I've done that Iridos, thanks for the idea. i don't know why I didn't think about that earlier |
| 14:36.24 | DammitJim | funkadelic, has a good question. How does one start an X session remotely? |
| 14:36.47 | Iridos | funkadelic, I just wonder if you have to change config on the server to allow use of the socks proxy functions |
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| 14:37.51 | hipodilski | hi can you recommend me some linux distribution suitable for console work? |
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| 14:38.14 | daemonkeeper | ... he asks in #debian |
| 14:38.19 | themill | hipodilski: #debian tends to recommend debian |
| 14:38.34 | pcormack | hehe |
| 14:38.45 | Iridos | funkadelic, for firefox/iceweasel prefbar allows quick switching of proxies... there's also foxyproxy which I yet have to try |
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| 14:39.08 | Iridos | hipodilski, I have a splendid idea... how about debian? |
| 14:39.17 | spacepluk | hi, I'm getting: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'" but the module is installed, any idea? |
| 14:39.35 | themill | spacepluk: have you rebooted since installing a new kernel package? |
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| 14:40.03 | spacepluk | themill: hmm, I guess I didn't... thanks :) |
| 14:40.10 | equex | cant one use dkms for that |
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| 14:40.14 | themill | !reboot required |
| 14:40.15 | dpkg | If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi |
| 14:40.17 | equex | instead of reboot |
| 14:40.22 | themill | spacepluk: ^^ you can check |
| 14:40.54 | themill | equex: dkms builds kernel modules against the kernel bits that are on disk. The problem can be when the bits on disk don't match the bits in memory |
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| 14:41.26 | spacepluk | themill: awesome |
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| 14:41.35 | spacepluk | it's reboot required |
| 14:42.00 | funkadelic | hipodilski Ubuntu has basically nothing better than Debian, so you can weed out that option. Then there's just Debian, something Red-Hat based, or something really complicated and difficult. Most people don't like unneccessary difficulty, so then you have Debian or something of the Redhat family. Of the Redhat family, there is Centos (best for servers and free), Red-Hat (best if you can pay for professional support), and Fedora (cutting edge). I prefer |
| 14:42.00 | funkadelic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.37 | hipodilski | funkadelic: I already have debian installed |
| 14:43.02 | funkadelic | Then you're already set to go. Just open up terminal |
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| 14:44.31 | funkadelic | type ls (and enter) to see what is in your current directory, pwd to see where you are, cd [folder name] to go to that folder, cd .. to go up a directory, file [filename] to see what kind of file it is (or folder). Google around to learn more |
| 14:44.58 | funkadelic | once you open terminal, I mean hipodilski |
| 14:45.59 | krisfremen | hmm, what should I use for a photo slideshow screensaver? |
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| 14:47.54 | hipodilski | funkadelic: I need an easy way to connect to wireless for instance |
| 14:48.04 | hipodilski | I'm aware of how to use console :D |
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| 14:48.39 | funkadelic | Use iwconfig |
| 14:48.47 | funkadelic | I don't remember how :P |
| 14:49.12 | hipodilski | funkadelic: I mean simplified |
| 14:49.18 | hipodilski | what I hate about linux is it is too complex |
| 14:49.50 | funkadelic | The problem with Linux is that it is built for functionality, not simplicity |
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| 14:50.33 | funkadelic | Windows, for example, is just a mediocre OS rushed to the mass market. Underneath its interface and user tools, it's garbage |
| 14:50.51 | amphi | hipodilski: wicd works well for me |
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| 14:52.07 | hemanth | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Install_Debian trying that |
| 14:52.14 | hemanth | choosing that will take me back to install grub/lilo |
| 14:52.22 | hemanth | instead of lilo/grub, choose without boot loader |
| 14:52.29 | hemanth | any idea? |
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| 14:55.12 | tdrusk | hipodilski: the best wireless manager i have found is network-manager-gnome. it seems to work better than any other imo |
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| 14:59.55 | jhutchins_wk | network-manager has a CLI interface available. |
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| 15:01.34 | amphi | mailq |
| 15:01.38 | amphi | ETERM |
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| 15:03.05 | funkadelic | I'm mounting my NFS share, which is on Debian, to Windows, and I want to do it over ssh. What ports do I have to forward to the NFS server so I can just connect to 127.0.0.1:/path/to/share/ ? |
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| 15:04.09 | funkadelic | I forwarded 2049, and the port for mountd and nlockmgr. I must be missing something |
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| 15:05.31 | arossouw | is it possible to only update specific packages to new versions, instead of using dist-upgrade? |
| 15:06.42 | tdrusk | arossouw: I have a feeling your answer is going to involve apt-pinning. |
| 15:06.48 | arossouw | ok |
| 15:06.55 | arossouw | lets say i just want to upgrade mysql |
| 15:06.58 | themill | arossouw: you can "aptitude upgrade packagename" or even "aptitude upgrade '?source-package(packagename)?installed'" ... what are you trying to achieve here |
| 15:07.06 | arossouw | ok |
| 15:07.25 | arossouw | thinking of replacing gentoo server with debian, gentoo too much maintenance |
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| 15:07.47 | themill | arossouw: it sounds like you're planning to mix packages from different releases... that's really not a great plan |
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| 15:08.11 | arossouw | themill: going to do clean install |
| 15:08.27 | arossouw | just not sure if something will break if i do dist-upgrade |
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| 15:08.34 | arossouw | or upgrade for that matter |
| 15:08.45 | themill | arossouw: partial upgrading like you describe is not a very debian thing to do... what are thinking you'd upgrade from and to> |
| 15:09.03 | arossouw | ok |
| 15:09.10 | karlpinc | funkadelic: I seem to recall nfs can use a range of ports. (It might be easier to use openvpn and have a whole network avaialble, although that'd mean seetting up openvpn.) |
| 15:09.14 | arossouw | so i'll do it the debian way |
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| 15:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | !bdo |
| 15:09.25 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 15:09.28 | arossouw | was just concerned of stability |
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| 15:09.37 | tdrusk | arossouw: stable + whatever necessary? |
| 15:09.44 | karlpinc | !tell arossouw about overview |
| 15:09.55 | funkadelic | karlpinc: that sounds painful. I've tried setting it up before and I failed hard |
| 15:10.00 | tdrusk | !tell tdrusk about overview |
| 15:10.13 | karlpinc | !tell tdrusk about msg the bot |
| 15:10.36 | arossouw | its ok, i just need it as a database server mysql |
| 15:10.39 | themill | arossouw: the "debian way" and the "stable way" are quite simple... you run just one release, you don't do partial upgrades and things stay unchanging and stable |
| 15:10.44 | tdrusk | karlpinc: thanks :) |
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| 15:11.18 | arossouw | themill: so release upgrades bad? |
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| 15:11.51 | themill | arossouw: you upgrade from the oldstable release to the new stable release once every couple of years. These are tested and well documented in the release notes. |
| 15:11.57 | arossouw | i'd like a distro that i dont have to rebuild every year |
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| 15:12.07 | arossouw | ok |
| 15:12.24 | karlpinc | funkadelic: It's not that hard, if you just take the default config and set one side to be the server (and pick the network to use over the vpn). But yah, a lot more complicated than port forwarding. Better look at (wikipedia?) docs for nfs to see what you need to forward. Probably a range. |
| 15:13.02 | tdrusk | arossouw: It is amazing how well everything works together when it is developed to the point of "this works right" rather than "this is good enough for the deadline". |
| 15:13.03 | arossouw | well i prefer stable and tested to bleeding edge |
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| 15:13.27 | arossouw | ok |
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| 15:13.39 | karlpinc | arossouw: See the current release notes at debian.org for an example of what it takes to upgrade. (For the very short version "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" will give you the upgrade commands.) |
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| 15:13.52 | arossouw | cool |
| 15:13.55 | tdrusk | arossouw: I suggest using aptitude as the package manager. It sometimes is fussy, but if you try to stick to pure stable packages it will make your life eaiser. |
| 15:14.16 | twobitsprite | where is a good resource to learn about the ~ patterns in aptitude... I don't see anything about them in the man page |
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| 15:14.32 | arossouw | the only thing that confuses me of apt a bit is , if you want to selectively have certain features for any given package |
| 15:14.45 | karlpinc | twobitsprite: All the aptitude docs are in html (!) in /usr/share/doc/aptitude.... |
| 15:15.13 | themill | twobitsprite: you can /msg dpkg aptitude search; /msg dpkg aptitude docs |
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| 15:15.19 | arossouw | as an example, dont want ssl or tls for postfix |
| 15:15.25 | arossouw | neither ldap |
| 15:15.31 | karlpinc | twobitsprite: use the url file:///usr/share/doc/ to find it. (There might be an aptitude-doc package to install, not sure.) |
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| 15:16.32 | funkadelic | This whole NFS dilemma is ridiculous. I think I'd be better off figuring out how to automatically update my exports file to match my current laptop IP address |
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| 15:16.52 | karlpinc | arossouw: Sometimes there's separate packages when there's compoents that can be separated (without compiler flags?). Otherwise it's just in how you configure it. (Search for postfix at packages.debian.org.) See also the <readme.debian> factoid. |
| 15:17.01 | twobitsprite | themill, karlpinc: thanks |
| 15:17.08 | arossouw | ok |
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| 15:17.40 | karlpinc | funkadelic: Perhaps. If that's you're real problem it'd help to ask here what the best way to solve it is. |
| 15:18.21 | mindbender1 | please guys I need help with which debian tools I can use to monitor a recurring crash on my system |
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| 15:18.28 | karlpinc | arossouw: The easy way is to configure dhcp so that your laptop's mac address always gets the same ip. |
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| 15:19.11 | funkadelic | My problem is that I need to mount my nfs share outside of the lan, but I can't just open the share up to the whole internet. What's the best solution for that karlpinc? |
| 15:19.41 | funkadelic | And I frequently mount it on my laptop, which has a different IP address from one week to the next |
| 15:19.57 | funkadelic | or even a different IP address every day sometimes |
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| 15:20.12 | mindbender1 | I'm on debian sid, kernel revision 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 15:20.12 | arossouw | hehe, i dont use laptop |
| 15:20.12 | arossouw | mostly use pc-bsd at work |
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| 15:21.05 | funkadelic | I use Windows on the laptop usually. Games don't run on anything else (easily and reliably), and neither does Ableton (reliably) |
| 15:21.07 | damacus | mindbender1: install sysstat and enable sar |
| 15:21.13 | damacus | in /etc/defaults/sysstat |
| 15:21.30 | funkadelic | So I'm stuck using Kitty (a fork of putty) to do all my port forwarding |
| 15:21.36 | damacus | sar can at least give you time series data on a bunch of metrics that might give you direction |
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| 15:21.42 | jhutchins_wk | sid crashes. This is news? |
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| 15:21.54 | mindbender1 | damacus: ok |
| 15:22.00 | karlpinc | funkadelic: I tend to run openvpn. They do have a irc channel, although really, starting simple and _then_ modifying a working config should get you what you want. |
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| 15:22.47 | mindbender1 | jhutchins_wk: believe it or not.. it's happening right here |
| 15:23.07 | twobitsprite | !sid |
| 15:23.07 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 15:24.32 | alex- | ? |
| 15:26.45 | abrotman | mindbender1: are you able to ssh in ? |
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| 15:26.56 | abrotman | mindbender1: looked at using a watchdog ? |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | mindbender1: are you sure your system is fully up to datE? |
| 15:27.23 | mindbender1 | abrotman: no.. this is just happening on my standalone laptop |
| 15:28.24 | mindbender1 | I get a blankscreen, attime of varying colors and keyboard disabled |
| 15:29.00 | mindbender1 | I already run memtest86+ to check for RAM errors.. test passes |
| 15:29.11 | abrotman | mindbender1: using nvidia/ati binary drivers? tried without ? |
| 15:29.37 | mindbender1 | no I have not really investigated my settings in those areas |
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| 15:30.04 | mindbender1 | abrotman: how do you suggest I look into those |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | which? |
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| 15:30.47 | abrotman | you should know how to see if a sid system is fully up to date |
| 15:30.53 | mindbender1 | nvidia/ati binary drivers |
| 15:31.00 | Rumo | I'm new to debian: how can i figure out about if a program is installed or not? |
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| 15:31.42 | mindbender1 | abrotman: how do I disable them is what I meant to ask |
| 15:31.47 | abrotman | mindbender1: you should also know that .. you'd have had to install them |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | mindbender1: you could a) uninstall them b) create an xorg.conf that doesn't use them |
| 15:32.16 | digitteknohippie | tilda has been segfaulting again in sid. anyone else have that or just me? tried rolling back tilda itself, about to reboot into new kernel. |
| 15:32.20 | mindbender1 | ok helpful |
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| 15:37.26 | digitteknohippie | about to reboot [to test an older kernel with tilda] ... once this multi-Gb image in gimp finishes saving across the local network. ^_^ |
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| 15:41.50 | hid3 | Help! I can't delete empty directory on XFS filesystem. ANy ideas what to do? |
| 15:42.48 | Iridos | why's that a reason to shout "help!"... I thought you say that when drowning |
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| 15:43.23 | digitteknohippie | hid3: you're certain it's empty? tried rmdir, as root? have the right permissions? tried rm with -r and -f options? |
| 15:43.28 | hid3 | actually looks like I'm drowning |
| 15:43.33 | ChrisH | hid3: umount, fsck |
| 15:43.46 | hid3 | can't umount, a production server... |
| 15:44.17 | hid3 | I can rename them |
| 15:44.21 | hid3 | actually mv a b |
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| 15:44.24 | hid3 | but not remove |
| 15:44.42 | Iridos | well, fsck it is |
| 15:45.10 | Iridos | or possibly rm -rf dir/ |
| 15:45.15 | Iridos | lsattr dir/ |
| 15:45.31 | Iridos | and you didn't say what error you get |
| 15:45.33 | hid3 | http://pastebin.com/EUzTFemF |
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| 15:46.04 | hid3 | rmdir also says 'directory not empty' |
| 15:46.08 | hid3 | but in fact it is empty |
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| 15:47.06 | Funkadelic | I have a script that opens up screen and runs another script within that screen. How can I start that first script from my rc.local script without being stuck in it? |
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| 15:48.13 | Riviera | Funkadelic: Run screen in a way that it backgrounds itself. See the docs for -dmS |
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| 15:49.24 | hid3 | Any other ideas apart fsck? |
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| 15:49.41 | Rumo | which program is used to extract bz2 ? |
| 15:50.00 | digitteknohippie | hid3: so, it rly is empty? ls -a shows no files? |
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| 15:50.32 | Iridos | Rumo, bunzip2 |
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| 15:51.17 | Rumo | Iridos: thank you vm |
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| 15:51.28 | hid3 | digitteknohippie: Yes it is. Besides, rm -rf should delete files too, if any |
| 15:51.39 | Funkadelic | Riviera I'm not starting a screen from within a screen. I'm just starting a screen from within a script. Do I still need the -m? |
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| 15:52.25 | digitteknohippie | yerp, i'm outa ideas at that point too then hid3, besides permissions. sounds like something scary is happening. |
| 15:53.08 | Iridos | well, when fsck is the next thing to do, what other ideas would you want to have... |
| 15:53.10 | Riviera | Funkadelic: Yes, you want a new session, otherwise you'd detach a possibly elsewhere attached session. Now that does not seem important for the init script, but I think it's still cleaner. The #screen channel has surely better comments than me about best practises, though. |
| 15:53.17 | Iridos | one that magics the problems away? |
| 15:53.32 | hid3 | Why do such things happen at all? I thought Linux was better than Windows |
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| 15:53.49 | hid3 | Iridos: how do I fsck an XFS filesystem? |
| 15:53.56 | Funkadelic | :o There's a #screen channel! wow :P |
| 15:53.56 | hid3 | I think it's being checked at mounttime |
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| 15:54.27 | Iridos | it replays the journal at mount time |
| 15:54.33 | digitteknohippie | Funkadelic: and a tmux, and a bash, and a sed, and an awk and and and... |
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| 15:55.19 | Iridos | hid3, look at man fsck.xfs |
| 15:55.33 | _znull | hey how do I see with apt-get if X directory belogns to any packages? |
| 15:55.56 | hid3 | hell, I need to stop a working system in the middle of the day. That's crazy. |
| 15:55.59 | digitteknohippie | hid3: googled your last question? |
| 15:56.13 | themill | _znull: dpkg -S or dlocate (or apt-file) |
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| 15:56.22 | ChrisH | hid3: does chmod 700 c/ ; ls -la c/ change anything? |
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| 15:56.27 | hid3 | didn't google it. I have chosen to use XFS because I googled before and found it doesn't need an fsck |
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| 15:57.03 | hid3 | ChrisH: nope |
| 15:57.10 | Iridos | ChrisH, oops, you're right... no "x" for user |
| 15:57.20 | ChrisH | hid3: permissions do look strange. |
| 15:57.43 | hid3 | I've tried 777, still no go |
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| 15:59.18 | ChrisH | hid3: It could a still open File in that directory. |
| 15:59.43 | hemanth | trying to getting selection screen grab with scrot, scrot -s did not hel |
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| 16:00.31 | digitteknohippie | okies, my big gimp image save is finally complete. rebooting into new kernel to see if that averts the segfaulting tilda problem i've been having. |
| 16:00.51 | digitteknohippie | cyas on the other side |
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| 16:02.11 | hid3 | ChrisH: how do I check if there's an open file? And why can I rename/move the directory then? |
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| 16:03.42 | ChrisH | hid3: rename/move does not uinlink but rename |
| 16:04.03 | digitteknohippi1 | not this kernel anyways. time to roll back farther, to see how far back i have to go before tilda stops segfaulting |
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| 16:06.31 | Poenikatu | Does anybody know how to key the Unicode white smiley? |
| 16:06.58 | jhutchins_wk | hid3: Windows does crap like that all the time. |
| 16:07.27 | jhutchins_wk | hid3: You always have to take a drive off-line to check the filesystem, OS doesn't matter. |
| 16:07.46 | jhutchins_wk | hid3: Well, to fix the filesystem, you can check RO. |
| 16:08.05 | jhutchins_wk | hid3: You can try lsof but that doesn't usualy work for me. |
| 16:08.34 | jhutchins_wk | hid3: Is there any chance someone's implemented ACls or selinux? |
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| 16:12.30 | themill | Poenikatu: <compose> : ) gives me ☺ here. /msg dpkg compose |
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| 16:13.32 | hid3 | jhutchins_wk: no chance. I'm the only user in there. |
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| 16:13.43 | sim | Hi |
| 16:13.46 | hid3 | And I wasn't mesing with the system at all when these things started to happen |
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| 16:13.57 | sim | what's wrong with #debian-boot ? |
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| 16:14.00 | giantkiar | hi there |
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| 16:14.22 | sim | it looks like there is an automatic forward enabled |
| 16:14.28 | themill | sim: most debian channels are on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:14.30 | sim | on ##debian-boot |
| 16:15.58 | sim | themill: ok thanks |
| 16:16.27 | Funkadelic | Is there an SSHFS equivalent to NFS's hard mount? If the NFS share is temporarily unavailable, I want the application accessing the resource to hang until it becomes available. |
| 16:16.44 | ironcamel | where can i download an install cd for debian testing distro? |
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| 16:17.09 | themill | dpkg: tell ironcamel about install testing |
| 16:17.18 | themill | ironcamel: but I doubt that's going to solve your issue |
| 16:17.29 | ironcamel | themill: can't hurt to try |
| 16:17.42 | ironcamel | themill: what do you suggest? |
| 16:18.16 | themill | did you try xorg from backports along with that backports kernel? and non-free firmware packages? |
| 16:18.32 | themill | or did we determine that your machine was hanging even before it got that far? |
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| 16:18.58 | ironcamel | themill: i tried xorg from backports |
| 16:19.07 | ironcamel | http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html |
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| 16:19.17 | ironcamel | i installed those xorg packages |
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| 16:19.46 | ironcamel | it is hanging at the nouveau thing |
| 16:20.09 | ironcamel | i did not try installing the nvidia drivers |
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| 16:20.23 | ironcamel | i'm not clear on how to do that |
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| 16:21.42 | JoeHazzers | how can i make a script execute when a *specific* network interface comes up? |
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| 16:23.21 | Iridos | dpkg, interfaces |
| 16:23.22 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 16:23.37 | Iridos | JoeHazzers, ^^^ |
| 16:23.47 | JoeHazzers | thanks, will take a look |
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| 16:26.40 | Iridos | JoeHazzers, "auto" to make it react on interfaces coming up, there's up and down scripts you can start on each |
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| 16:27.40 | spersaud | how can I cat all files recursively and pass it to grep ? |
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| 16:29.22 | babilen | spersaud: You are most likely looking for "grep -r" or find with -exec grep -e "foo" {} \; |
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| 16:30.52 | Rumo | where are the extracted tar files?? tar xf /home/falk/Downloads/bzip2.tar ??? |
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| 16:32.17 | JoeHazzers | Iridos: on a slightly related note, do the same methods work for ppp connections? |
| 16:32.38 | paulfm | Morning all (evening for the rest of you) |
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| 16:33.31 | Iridos | I don't think I had to set up ppp in my life... |
| 16:33.47 | Iridos | modem used it of course, but that just worked™ |
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| 16:33.59 | dondelelcaro | Rumo: tar -tf foo.tar; will tell you |
| 16:35.31 | paulfm | Oh boy.. I need some help.. My mail server is in the spamcop db.. does anyone have experience with this? |
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| 16:36.30 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: figure out why, and request removal. Not really on topic here, though |
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| 16:36.45 | Sevet | paulfm: configure it this way and afaik yes you can use those http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_ppp_connection |
| 16:36.50 | Rumo | dondelelcaro: I have foud it in root |
| 16:37.00 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: Thanks - is there a better place to ask this? |
| 16:37.08 | spersaud | django has switched to class based generic views |
| 16:37.21 | paulfm | Sevet: thanks will take a look |
| 16:37.24 | spersaud | does this mean we should be using class based views in views that we write ? |
| 16:37.34 | Sevet | paulfm: re spamcop db - are you on a dynamic ip? |
| 16:37.45 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: Yes - I am trying to figure out what is causing/allowing spam.. I believe I don't have an open relay |
| 16:37.53 | paulfm | Sevet: No - fixed ip |
| 16:38.03 | themill | wonders what channel spersaud thinks he's in |
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| 16:39.10 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: which MTA are you using? |
| 16:39.13 | paulfm | Sevet: Did you mean to send me the PPP link?.. I don't see any spam cop refs on that page? |
| 16:39.23 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: Postfix |
| 16:39.39 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: someone in the channel appropriate to your MTA might be able to help you better, so #postfix |
| 16:39.56 | Sevet | paulfm: no :) |
| 16:39.57 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: thanks - that makes sense :-) |
| 16:40.12 | Sevet | JoeHazzers: configure it this way and afaik yes you can use those http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_ppp_connection |
| 16:40.16 | Sevet | :) |
| 16:40.26 | spersaud | themill: :) |
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| 16:51.27 | Poenikatu | What a crowd, but very few are talking |
| 16:51.35 | JoeHazzers | Sevet: thanks, working now |
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| 16:54.54 | nvz | Poenikatu: thats because we type on freenode, its not a voice chat service |
| 16:54.57 | nvz | heh |
| 16:55.10 | Poenikatu | Eh? |
| 16:55.28 | nvz | yeah, you can take your headset off.. nobody is going to talk.. heh |
| 16:55.37 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 16:55.55 | Poenikatu | No headset. Just a keyboard. |
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| 16:56.21 | pmade | What's the best way to download a package and all its dependencies so I can move them to a computer without a network connection and install them there? |
| 16:56.21 | nvz | must have some sort of headset for the neural interface that allows you to read my mind |
| 16:56.23 | simonlnu | 1237 nicks |
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| 16:56.32 | nvz | since you apparently don't have a monitor to see what I type |
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| 16:56.51 | Poenikatu | Of course I do |
| 16:57.10 | simonlnu | pmade: apt-zip ? aptitude download foo bar baz then tarball them up ? |
| 16:57.23 | Iridos | dpkg, tell pmade about apt offline |
| 16:57.25 | Poenikatu | But IRC beats even HD TV on Linux |
| 16:57.25 | pmade | simonlnu: I'll look into those. |
| 16:57.54 | pmade | Iridos: thanks. |
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| 16:59.00 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:59.11 | Iridos | pmade, /msg dpkg apt-zip and the other stuff in <> brackets if it seems interesting to you |
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| 16:59.30 | johnfg | I just installed urxvt. pretty nifty. |
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| 17:00.05 | johnfg | However, it's not appearing anywhere in the gnome desktop menus. Do I have to add it specifically? |
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| 17:00.49 | nvz | johnfg: update-menus && killall gnome-panel |
| 17:00.58 | nvz | johnfg: if its still not there, then yeah.. probably |
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| 17:01.39 | nvz | for whatever reason sometimes things get glitched |
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| 17:02.09 | johnfg | nvz, I rebooted, thinking then it would show up, but it didn't. and the readme.debian didn't have any hints/clues. |
| 17:02.34 | johnfg | so run: update-menus && killall gnome-panel |
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| 17:02.40 | mr | ciao |
| 17:02.48 | mr | !list |
| 17:02.49 | dpkg | mr: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 17:03.07 | nvz | well a reboot would be the same as doing killall gnome-panel |
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| 17:04.35 | johnfg | nvz, Nope, it doesn't show up anywhere. |
| 17:04.42 | dokma|2 | is putting /boot on a separate partition and the rest in LVM a reasonable plan to allow flexibility later on? |
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| 17:05.00 | johnfg | It runs fine if I enter it from another terminal, but that's not what I want. |
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| 17:05.41 | nvz | well as the great philosopher Jagger once said.. you can't always get what you want. |
| 17:06.10 | johnfg | Ok, so what do I need? |
| 17:06.54 | johnfg | alt-F2, I can at least run it there. |
| 17:07.07 | somiaj | dokma: what sort of flexibility? keeping /boot out of the LVM does make botting a bit easier because grub dosen't have to be able to understand the LVM (though to mount the root fs your initrd better understand it) |
| 17:07.07 | nvz | idk, to file a bug probably..to pay more attention to stuff like "processing triggers for menu" when you install something.. |
| 17:07.44 | dokma | somiaj: can LVM resize the partition on which /boot is located? |
| 17:07.54 | dokma | moving system files live seems a bit creepy to me |
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| 17:08.42 | johnfg | nvz, I didn't pay attention to the "processing triggers for menu" so, where might I be able to see that? |
| 17:09.20 | somiaj | dokma: if /boot isn't in your LVM then no you cannot easily resize it with LVM tools |
| 17:09.45 | somiaj | dokma: for the most part boot is really small and 100megs is enough for most situations (unless you want like 10 or more kernels hiding in there) |
| 17:10.44 | dokma | somiaj: I'm loosing you here. You say if /boot isn't in LVM the I cannot easily resize. From what I understand when LVM can resize live if /boot is NOT in it... |
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| 17:10.54 | dokma | somiaj: am I misunderstanding something? |
| 17:11.12 | johnfg | nvz, Since it already went by and I can't see it in the terminal from which I installed it? |
| 17:11.57 | somiaj | dokma: well them maybe I don't understand your question. If you include the boot partition inside your LVM then resizing it with the LVM is possible. If you exclude it from your LVM then it isn't |
| 17:12.22 | somiaj | dokma: but since 100meg boot is most likely enough, and it is a small partition putting it outside your LVM and leaving it alone won't be a major issue in the long run |
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| 17:13.20 | dokma | somiaj: Yes you misunderstood me. This is my question as concise as possible: Does the presence of /boot within an LVM prevent the LVM from resizing. |
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| 17:13.40 | dokma | somiaj: I mean resizing live. |
| 17:13.49 | jelly-home | within a LV? |
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| 17:14.15 | dokma | jelly-home: talkin to me? |
| 17:14.15 | somiaj | it shouldn't but as I said eariler, putting boot inside your LVM can cause other issues with grub. |
| 17:14.28 | jelly-home | dokma: both to you and somiaj |
| 17:15.05 | dokma | I see... to both somiaj and jelly-home: I just wanted to know if there is any benefit to having a separate /boot in an LVM situation |
| 17:15.06 | jelly-home | you seem to be using "LVM" but talking about either a logical volume or a physical one, it's a bit ambiguous |
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| 17:15.10 | dokma | seems to me that there is |
| 17:15.16 | dokma | at least pertaning to grub |
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| 17:15.23 | dokma | and possibly even to operation of LVM |
| 17:15.35 | Funkadelic | How can I make my rc.local file execute when the system boots? It isn't right now, and it is set as executable. |
| 17:15.36 | dokma | jelly-home: yes I wasn't very precise |
| 17:15.52 | dondelelcaro | dokma: in general, if you're going to have a separate boot, you do it as an entirely separate physical partition |
| 17:16.01 | dondelelcaro | dokma: without involving lvm |
| 17:16.05 | jelly-home | dokma: it's a more coservative, more compatible approarch, esp. wrt choice of boot loader and version thereof |
| 17:16.19 | dokma | dondelelcaro: that's what I planned on doing but didn't fully understand all the benefits |
| 17:16.42 | jelly-home | dokma: on VMs, I put /boot on a whole separate disk |
| 17:16.46 | somiaj | Funkadelic: by default it should, what does "ls /etc/rc?.d/*local*" give you |
| 17:16.48 | dokma | jelly-home: I see. It's a win-win situtation and nothing to lose |
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| 17:17.12 | dondelelcaro | dokma: the main reason is that you can get at /boot without having to bring up the entire LVM, for example. It used to be too that grub didn't understand lvm at all |
| 17:17.39 | johnfg | nvz: please take a look at this: http://paste.debian.net/165200/ |
| 17:17.49 | Funkadelic | somiaj I put my commands to run in /etc/rc.local |
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| 17:18.04 | johnfg | this is the file: /usr/share/menu/rxvt-unicode |
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| 17:18.20 | Funkadelic | is that correct, or should I use |
| 17:18.20 | Funkadelic | /etc/rc2.d/S17rc.local? |
| 17:18.38 | somiaj | Funkadelic: that is just checking if the links are showing up in your correct run level |
| 17:18.41 | Funkadelic | that is what ls /etc/rc2.d/*local* gives me |
| 17:18.43 | johnfg | I guess that is a bug, as I don't have a Terminal Emulators under Applications. |
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| 17:18.58 | somiaj | Funkadelic: are you using run level 2? Do you see that link in your other run levels? |
| 17:19.10 | somiaj | Funkadelic: also paste the output of 'ls -l /etc/rc.local' |
| 17:19.30 | Funkadelic | I think I'm using run level 2 |
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| 17:19.39 | Funkadelic | how do I check my runlevel? |
| 17:19.51 | petemc | runlevel |
| 17:20.20 | Funkadelic | Here's the output of 'ls -l /etc/rc.local' |
| 17:20.21 | Funkadelic | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 336 Apr 25 11:58 /etc/rc.local |
| 17:20.41 | robin_debspace | Hello everyone! :-) OK, quick question once again :-) When I'd like to install a single package from testing, do I need to add a new entry to my sources.list file or is there any way of just pulling in that one package (and its dependencies) from Testing without mixing repositories? |
| 17:20.55 | Funkadelic | $ sudo runlevel |
| 17:20.55 | Funkadelic | N 2 |
| 17:21.11 | petemc | robin_debspace: did you check to see if theres a backport ? |
| 17:21.13 | somiaj | Funkadelic: well unless you modified the default /etc/init.d/rc.local script I don't see why it isn't working. It could be the commands you wrote in rc.local just arne't taking effect but are being run |
| 17:21.18 | simonlnu | Funkadelic: you didn't need to run sudo with that |
| 17:21.54 | somiaj | simonlnu: though it is located in /sbin so not in a normal users $PATH |
| 17:21.57 | Funkadelic | simonlnu I actually did need to run sudo |
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| 17:22.05 | somiaj | Funkadelic: /sbin/runlevel would have done it. |
| 17:22.29 | somiaj | Funkadelic: you could put a copy of your rc.local file at paste.debian.org see if anyone can spot an error in that |
| 17:22.38 | simonlnu | so? /sbin/runlevel as a user. still runs. and sudo won't be filling in the PATH unless you set it in sudoers|sudoers.d/ |
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| 17:23.06 | robin_debspace | petemc: Nope, what's the command for doing that? (I already have a backport entry in my sources.list file). |
| 17:23.09 | Funkadelic | somiaj: I'll do that. i'll put the script I'm running too |
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| 17:23.20 | somiaj | robin_debspace: do not install testing packages on stable. Make a backport, "/msg dpkg ssbp" |
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| 17:23.33 | Poenikatu | Has anybody got a PCTV Nanostick for HD TV on Linux/Debian |
| 17:23.44 | simonlnu | not i |
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| 17:24.41 | Funkadelic | somiaj: paste.debian.org is down, i'll just post it at pastebin |
| 17:24.55 | themill | Funkadelic: paste.debian.net |
| 17:25.03 | somiaj | Funkadelic: sorry its paste.debian.net (my mistake) |
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| 17:26.22 | yang2 | *sigh* is there any usefull web analyzer in debian, webalizer, awstats, visitor all badly maintained |
| 17:26.26 | johnfg | did anyone look at my paste: http://paste.debian.net/165200/ and see how I could correct so urxvt would show up in a menu? |
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| 17:28.32 | Poenikatu | Has anybody used LIRC? |
| 17:29.03 | Iridos | dpkg, anybody use LIRC |
| 17:29.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses LIRC, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:29.09 | Iridos | there you have it |
| 17:29.34 | johnfg | What about that menu question for urxvt? |
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| 17:33.09 | galexydeb | !dpkg tell me about lenny repositories |
| 17:33.43 | somiaj | galexydeb: /msg dpkg factiod (don't have to use the tell command) |
| 17:34.11 | themill | galexydeb: it was "lenny sources.list" that you wanted... you might like to enable logging in your irc client. |
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| 17:35.03 | deepa | okay so I have two routers set up |
| 17:35.21 | deepa | both operated a LAN 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 17:35.42 | deepa | I changed the IP of the old one to 192.168.1.5 and disabled dhcp, my debian machine got its new ip from dhcp just fine |
| 17:36.06 | deepa | I've added a portforward on the new router to my debian machine |
| 17:36.10 | deepa | So I can reach it from here |
| 17:36.21 | deepa | But... the machine can't reach anything other than the old router :p |
| 17:36.36 | deepa | it can't ping nor traceruote 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:36.49 | deepa | it can ping but not traceroute 192.168.1.5 |
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| 17:37.13 | deepa | route list says: 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.103 default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
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| 17:38.05 | Iridos | johnfg, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310694 |
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| 17:39.03 | Iridos | johnfg, always check bugs.debian.org if something really looks like a bug. In stable, chances are stuff has been reported and fixted in testing/unstable for some time already, but the bugfix wasn't trivial/important enough to be ported into stable |
| 17:39.06 | johnfg | Iridos, Thanks for the link! |
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| 17:39.23 | Iridos | may 2005 looks too old, though... dunno |
| 17:39.38 | Iridos | (haven't read bug) |
| 17:40.05 | Iridos | johnfg, perhaps something else from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=rxvt-unicode |
| 17:40.51 | johnfg | Iridos, Yeah, the first was old, and didn't show that the problem had been fixed. |
| 17:41.08 | Iridos | the reporter said it wasnt really a bug |
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| 17:42.50 | johnfg | Iridos, And the second link, containing lots of other links, is old too. Obviously, however, the bug isn't fixed, as urxvt doesn't show up in any menu. |
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| 17:44.16 | johnfg | I could use preferred applications and select urxvt over xterm (gnome-terminal), but that's not necessarily what I want either. |
| 17:46.11 | Poenikatu | Anybody watching TV on a Linux box? |
| 17:46.26 | Iridos | johnfg, the 2nd link is not old, it's the bts |
| 17:46.30 | Iridos | dpkg, tell johnfg about bts |
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| 17:46.41 | somiaj | what is with these polls Poenikatu? Do you have an actual debian support question? |
| 17:47.47 | Poenikatu | somiaj: Sorry to trouble you. I have PCTV Nanostick which has a remote control, but I've not succeeded in getting LIRC to detect it. |
| 17:48.22 | klys | Poenikatu: I used to. I had bttv and a matrox G450 with moatroxfb and a video monitor on /dev/fb1 |
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| 17:48.34 | klys | *matroxfb |
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| 17:49.25 | somiaj | Poenikatu: I've never used a remote, but I have use a winTV haudge pauge card to watch tv with xawtv |
| 17:49.26 | gnarface | i haven't been able to make heads or tails of LIRC lately either. the documentation (if you can call it that) is so usless its almost harmful |
| 17:49.27 | Poenikatu | klys: I've heard of bttv but know very little about it |
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| 17:50.01 | Iridos | gnarface, ha |
| 17:50.29 | klys | Poenikatu: it's a driver for compatible PCI TV cards |
| 17:50.35 | Poenikatu | somiaj: Yes, I started with a Hauppauge WinTV card and then bought a PCTV Nanostick because it receives DVB-T2 which means that I now receive HD TV. |
| 17:51.09 | Iridos | gnarface, I spend a day or more with my laptops IR port lately. Would have liked to record some remotes. But... it seems to be one of the hardware bits on the laptop that ain't supported anymore or never was |
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| 17:51.59 | Iridos | gnarface, perhaps it's even not working, couldn't find anything in windows either to cross-check |
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| 17:52.06 | Poenikatu | Well, I've taken the battery out of the remote for the moment and I use Kaffeine (KDE4) to watch TV. |
| 17:52.31 | Flawless | Hi guys. I have a python package that implements a daemon. I use dh_installinit to install the service file, which works fine. However, on upgrade the "stop" action fails, because pycentral is run as a trigger, much too late in the process. How can I fix this? |
| 17:52.35 | gnarface | Iridos: i do recall hardware support being a problem when i did successfully get one working some time ago. |
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| 17:53.09 | gnarface | Iridos: at that time the remote i was using was a common enough cable company remote that i was able to just find a valid LIRC config for it online someone else had made |
| 17:53.16 | Iridos | I don't really have an IR capable printer anymore ... I guess with that one might cross-check with windows stuff |
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| 17:54.04 | Iridos | gnarface, ha... no remote in this house seems to be that common... the N900 can actually _only_ send IR signals, so you can use it as a remote control if you have the control sequences |
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| 17:56.15 | Poenikatu | gnarface: I've got a remote I'd like lirc to work for, but I don't know how todo it |
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| 18:08.02 | JordiGH | debbugs uses a SOAP interface, right? |
| 18:09.01 | Funkadelic | My sync script isn't running at startup. It should run my 'drivesync' script in screen, but screen -ls shows no screens open. Here's more info: http://paste.debian.net/165211/ |
| 18:09.09 | Funkadelic | romiaj ^^ |
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| 18:09.40 | valdyn | Funkadelic: what is the sync supposed to accomplish? |
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| 18:10.21 | Funkadelic | It is supposed to run continuously in a screen to synchronize a folder on my remote server to my local server |
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| 18:10.53 | Funkadelic | and then mirror that folder on my local server to my laptop and an archive of everything that has ever been on the remote server |
| 18:11.03 | Funkadelic | the script runs on the local server |
| 18:11.05 | petemc | why do you have mount -a in there? |
| 18:11.20 | Funkadelic | Oh, that's not really related |
| 18:11.35 | Funkadelic | just to mount external drives to the local server when it boots up |
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| 18:12.08 | Funkadelic | however, I know that mount -a is functioning correctly because the drives in my ARE mounted at boot. |
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| 18:12.25 | petemc | if you replace /usr/local/bin/sync with /usr/bin/touch /some/file , does it work ? |
| 18:12.43 | n1x__ | hi guys , i have installed vncserver and when i'm trying to connect to server i can't see the GUI , i see only terminal |
| 18:12.48 | Funkadelic | It probably would, lemme check that petemc |
| 18:12.50 | n1x__ | no gnome panel , no screen nothing |
| 18:12.57 | n1x__ | how i can solve it? 10x :-) |
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| 18:14.11 | valdyn | petemc: that command terminates, so the result will just the same be that theres no screen? |
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| 18:14.49 | valdyn | petemc: err nevermind, ignore me |
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| 18:15.18 | petemc | i was just attempting to verify whats put there is executed |
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| 18:16.55 | Funkadelic | petemc: Yeah, touch works if I replace /usr/local/bin/sync with /usr/bin/touch /home/me/itworks |
| 18:17.19 | Funkadelic | So it must be an issue with sync |
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| 18:18.04 | Funkadelic | somehow sync doesn't run when it's started from rc.local, but it does run flawlessly when run from ssh |
| 18:18.18 | petemc | you normally run it as root? |
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| 18:18.52 | n1x__ | any ideas?! |
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| 18:19.24 | Funkadelic | I just type the command 'sync' and it starts in the background, starting a screen in the background that I can re-attach to at will. I don't start it from root. |
| 18:19.30 | Funkadelic | petemc^ |
| 18:19.36 | nvz | n1x__: yes, vnc doesnt do anything by default unless you have an .xsession or vnc specific xsession file |
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| 18:19.47 | nvz | n1x__: read the console when you start it.. |
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| 18:20.01 | nvz | or the manpage for that matter |
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| 18:20.51 | petemc | Funkadelic: tried using su - username -c /usr/local/bin/sync ? |
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| 18:21.58 | nvz | n1x__: echo "gnome-session" > ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 18:23.16 | Funkadelic | petemc that works, the screen is started and running |
| 18:23.25 | petemc | happy days |
| 18:23.30 | Funkadelic | I usually don't start it from root |
| 18:23.35 | petemc | all good |
| 18:23.38 | Funkadelic | no |
| 18:23.47 | petemc | what? |
| 18:23.50 | Funkadelic | I'm trying ot make it start automatically from /etc/rc.local |
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| 18:24.07 | Funkadelic | I've had no problem starting just by typing $ sync |
| 18:24.12 | petemc | i suggested you put "su - username.." in rc.local |
| 18:24.12 | Funkadelic | (non-root) |
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| 18:24.27 | Funkadelic | oooh in rc.local |
| 18:24.28 | Funkadelic | lemme try that |
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| 18:24.52 | Funkadelic | wait why is it "su - username.." instead of "su username.." ? |
| 18:25.04 | nvz | Funkadelic: - makes it a login session |
| 18:25.19 | Funkadelic | oh I see |
| 18:25.26 | nvz | Funkadelic: without it, it uses the root environment |
| 18:25.31 | R0b_ | I'm having problems getting Dante setup on Debian 6. I have it running on a Linode just fine and now I am trying to get it working on a OpenVZ vps and it is refusing connections. I've copy the config file but made the eth0 to venet0:0 change and I've made sure to change the external IP. Dante starts fine but when I try to connect to it via Firefox using Socks 4 or 5 I get "The proxy server is refusing connections" Anyone have any ideas on what I might be missing? |
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| 18:25.54 | TomLM | When i go to add a vpn the "Add" button is not clickable why? |
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| 18:26.29 | Funkadelic | Ok, I'm giving this a shoto |
| 18:26.37 | nvz | TomLM: you probably don't have vpn software installed |
| 18:26.38 | Funkadelic | shot* - rebooting now |
| 18:27.28 | nvz | TomLM: install network-manager-openvpn-gnome |
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| 18:29.33 | Funkadelic | <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 It works! |
| 18:29.45 | Funkadelic | Haha inb4 ban for heart spamming |
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| 18:30.25 | Iridos | he's taking input from input 3? |
| 18:31.10 | dvs | stdmiddle? |
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| 18:36.00 | wad | Hi folks. I've got a debian box at home that I use as a router. It has two NICs in it. Problem: When I work from home, my VPN connection to work is awful. It keeps dropping. I've checked all the settings, and I suspect that it's my linux box. Does this seem like a reasonably conclusion? |
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| 18:40.42 | smulcahy | is anyone here running software raid1 on 3TB drives with squeeze? |
| 18:40.51 | ElDiabolo | What is a does the .la file ending for a lib mean? Its a stub for dynamic linking, right? What do I do if there is none? |
| 18:40.52 | smulcahy | i'm running into grub problems |
| 18:41.09 | smulcahy | install seems to go fine but on reboot I get error: no such disk from grub |
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| 18:44.11 | karlpinc | wad: You'd need to check the logs, and pastebin them for us to have an opinion. |
| 18:44.23 | wad | karlpinc, okay. I'll look at them in a bit. :) |
| 18:44.30 | wad | Which logs would have that information in it? |
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| 18:45.26 | karlpinc | wad: Depends. Probably /var/log/daemon, but /var/log/syslog has everything, unless something's configured otherwise. You'd have to look. Also, what vpn software? |
| 18:46.05 | karlpinc | smulcahy: And then what happens? |
| 18:46.26 | smulcahy | karlpinc: grub sits in rescue mode |
| 18:46.47 | smulcahy | karlpinc: and if I type 'ls', it doesn't list the raid volume that the os was installed to (md1) |
| 18:46.49 | karlpinc | smulcahy: You mean at the grub menu? |
| 18:47.10 | karlpinc | smulcahy: Or you get that "enter root's password" prompt? |
| 18:47.25 | smulcahy | karlpinc: at the grub rescue> prompt |
| 18:47.33 | smulcahy | karlpinc: never finds the OS |
| 18:47.37 | wad | karlpinc, I'm using my laptop (Ubuntu), and the default VPN software in it, which connects through this debian box (my router at home) to get to the VPN at work (probably some lame Windows software). |
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| 18:47.51 | smulcahy | karlpinc: if I do ls (hd0,gpt3) it tells me "error: unknown filesystem" |
| 18:47.56 | smulcahy | its like it can't read the disks |
| 18:48.03 | karlpinc | smulcahy: Do you have a non-raid1 /boot partition? |
| 18:48.20 | sp4rc | hello guys, why is '# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms' saying there is nothing to update but 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' shows me the installed version is 195.36.31-6? |
| 18:48.42 | sp4rc | meaning the nvidia version from backports is newer for sure |
| 18:48.54 | nvz | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 18:48.55 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 295.40-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.40-1 |
| 18:49.24 | smulcahy | karlpinc: I have a 1MB reserved bios boot partition on each drive, afaik thats what grub2 requires on a gpt drive |
| 18:49.39 | karlpinc | smulcahy: What sort of raid? |
| 18:49.40 | sp4rc | judd: okay so that tells me i am right. squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2 |
| 18:49.41 | nvz | sp4rc: have you run apt-get update? |
| 18:49.48 | sp4rc | nvz: yes i did |
| 18:49.50 | nvz | judd is a bot |
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| 18:49.58 | smulcahy | karlpinc: software raid1 |
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| 18:50.14 | smulcahy | /dev/md0 for swap and /dev/md1 for / (ext4) |
| 18:50.25 | sp4rc | nvz: just realized that :) |
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| 18:51.26 | karlpinc | wad: You'd need to check #ubuntu for where the logs are. You could use tcpdump and wireshark on the debian box to at least see what's happening if the vpn is doing tcp, but really you need to see what the vpn thinks is happening. That means logs on both ends. |
| 18:51.28 | nvz | sp4rc: well for us to be of any further assistance we'd need to see some of this stuff you've apparently already checked.. like your sources.list, or output from apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
| 18:51.29 | smulcahy | tried wheezy install and even ubuntu 12.04 and same problems across all 3 |
| 18:51.54 | sp4rc | nvz: ehrm just realized my backports source was commented... |
| 18:52.08 | nvz | sp4rc: heh.. well there ya go ;) |
| 18:52.19 | sp4rc | nvz: seems not to be my day |
| 18:52.45 | nvz | I know that feeling all too well |
| 18:52.48 | karlpinc | smulcahy: Could be a grub bug. I would try with a small (100M or maybe a little more) /boot partition, at the beginning of the disk. It could also be bios, as in, you need a bios upgrade. |
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| 18:53.15 | karlpinc | smulcahy: 200M should be plenty big. |
| 18:53.29 | wad | karlpinc, thanks, I'll check into this later. :) |
| 18:53.35 | smulcahy | karlpinc: ok, will give that a shot. I thought bios wouldn't be an issue here |
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| 18:53.51 | karlpinc | smulcahy: grub uses bios, but I'm not really up on grub2. |
| 18:54.04 | smulcahy | karlpinc: maybe i'll try an install on 1 x 3TB drive first and see if that works |
| 18:54.27 | sp4rc | nvz: strange... no I ran 'apt-get update' but 'apt-get install' still thinks there are no newer packages |
| 18:54.51 | smulcahy | karlpinc: using 3TB drives w/o RAID seems .... adventurous ;) |
| 18:54.57 | sp4rc | nvz: this is what my sources.list looks like http://dpaste.org/JhWG9/ |
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| 18:55.57 | nvz | sp4rc: well my stance doesn't change.. heh. output of the apt-get update and apt-cache policy nvidia-glx assure you've overlooked no other mistakes.. even seeing the sources list that doesnt assure me thats what's in your apt cache |
| 18:55.57 | dvs | thought you needed an EFI machine to use > 2TB drives |
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| 18:56.17 | smulcahy | dvs: not as far as I know .. but ... |
| 18:56.17 | nvz | sp4rc: for all I know you didn't apt-get update, or it had errors :-P |
| 18:56.43 | sp4rc | nvz: ah found it! the 'non-free' and 'contrib' components are missing |
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| 18:57.05 | karlpinc | dvs: That sounds familar. But I forget the details. |
| 18:57.13 | nvz | sp4rc: indeed they are.. heh |
| 18:57.17 | karlpinc | smulcahy: I bet a /boot partition will fix it. |
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| 18:57.45 | dvs | agrees |
| 18:57.50 | nvz | sp4rc: you're one of those people that is under stress or something and just needs to hear the diagnostic tree to figure out what you've over looked |
| 18:58.09 | smulcahy | karlpinc: thanks, will give it a shot. |
| 18:58.36 | sp4rc | nvz: i feel ssen through :) |
| 18:58.44 | karlpinc | dvs: I think it's >2TB partitions are a problem with bios..... |
| 18:58.46 | sp4rc | nvz: thanks anyway |
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| 18:59.17 | sp4rc | now let's reboot and see what comes next... |
| 18:59.32 | nvz | it beats stupid and arguing any day of the week.. heh |
| 19:00.04 | smulcahy | so if you're using >2TB partitions you do need to use GPT partition tables instead of DOS partition tables |
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| 19:00.28 | smulcahy | but I've been using those for a while now without problems - just some of the old tools won't work with them - like fdisk and cfdisk |
| 19:00.32 | smulcahy | you need to use parted instead |
| 19:00.42 | smulcahy | or something called gdisk which I came across today |
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| 19:01.05 | smulcahy | and if you're using grub2 with gpt, you need to create a small 1MB or so partition on the disk for use by grub (reserved bios boot) |
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| 19:03.20 | karlpinc | smulcahy: So far, right. But I think the 1M partition is used by efi, which you don't have. And it's possible that having it you confuse grub into trying efi -- but that's a total guess and probably wrong. |
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| 19:04.07 | karlpinc | smulcahy: You could figure it all out (wikipedia) or just get the box to boot and not worry. |
| 19:04.17 | blawiz | anyone have problems with eog sometimes starting under other windows? |
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| 19:04.24 | smulcahy | karlpinc: no, I've used the 1M partition on other systems and it is neccesary to work with GPT |
| 19:04.37 | karlpinc | smulcahy: Oh. Right. |
| 19:04.37 | smulcahy | karlpinc: http://serverfault.com/questions/259337/using-3tb-hdd-as-boot-drive-on-non-efi-bios suggests you could be right about BIOS issues though |
| 19:04.43 | blawiz | and also, apps in full-screen seem to be "on top" is there a way to change this? |
| 19:04.54 | smulcahy | karlpinc: maybe relating more to the 4k sector size than the 3TB overall size though |
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| 19:05.16 | karlpinc | !tell smulcahy about 4kb |
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| 19:06.11 | smulcahy | karlpinc: I know about the alignment issues - didn't consider that the server wouldn't actually boot from a 4k drive though |
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| 19:07.07 | smulcahy | "And nothing does anything sensible as far as alignment goes on GPT |
| 19:07.07 | smulcahy | labels, last time I checked." lol |
| 19:08.04 | bytetracker | howdy all |
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| 19:08.38 | karlpinc | smulcahy: Given that the hardware lies, it wouldn't hurt to benchmark a teensy bit with dd just to be sure alignment is right. (Although I seem to recall things working out for me, without gpt.) |
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| 19:10.08 | smulcahy | karlpinc: yeah, just investigate the alignment issues further if I actually get the thing to boot |
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| 19:12.07 | karlpinc | blawiz: You could try #gnome |
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| 19:13.46 | blawiz | karlpinc, been there, done that ;) |
| 19:13.47 | blawiz | they dont even answear |
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| 19:19.54 | karlpinc | blawiz: You could try here again later. Or perhaps the mailing list. |
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| 19:25.18 | smulcahy | karlpinc: so grub will boot from that drive using smallish partitions without raid |
| 19:25.22 | smulcahy | karlpinc: so not a bios issue |
| 19:25.33 | smulcahy | karlpinc: will try your /boot partition suggestion next |
| 19:25.56 | smulcahy | karlpinc: or maybe much bigger / partition first |
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| 19:27.48 | klys | apparently grub squeeze has a low memory issue |
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| 19:32.00 | klys | grub lenny works though. |
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| 19:34.36 | darxmurf | hi there |
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| 19:35.07 | darxmurf | sorry to ask like that but I'v this in the dmesg of a server |
| 19:35.08 | klys | hello darxmurf, did you used to be darksmurf ? |
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| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 3. |
| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. |
| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 1. |
| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 4. |
| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 5. |
| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 2. |
| 19:35.14 | darxmurf | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 6. |
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| 19:35.52 | darxmurf | sorry |
| 19:35.57 | klys | hello darxmurf, did you used to be darksmurf ? |
| 19:36.00 | darxmurf | klys yes but long long time ago |
| 19:36.06 | darxmurf | on undernet and efnet |
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| 19:36.19 | klys | darxmurf: 2008? 2007? |
| 19:36.36 | darxmurf | hum I was with an analog modem :) |
| 19:36.48 | darxmurf | you speak french ? |
| 19:37.00 | klys | no I don't |
| 19:37.08 | darxmurf | so you don't know me :D |
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| 19:37.46 | darxmurf | sorry to ask like that but I just have a server with this in the dmesg : MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 3 |
| 19:38.02 | darxmurf | it displays this from CPU 0 to 6 |
| 19:38.05 | klys | darxmurf: I just remember there being a darksmurf on #debian aroundoct-dec 2007 |
| 19:38.11 | darxmurf | was not me :) |
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| 19:39.19 | darxmurf | this message is a wrong error or means that my CPU is dying ? |
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| 19:41.06 | nvz | darxmurf: thats the irrelevant portion of the error for one thing, and its likely an indication of bad ram or cpu |
| 19:41.20 | DaveNull | or cooling problem ? |
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| 19:42.00 | nvz | darxmurf: are you overclocking? |
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| 19:42.01 | darxmurf | the machine is more less cold |
| 19:42.02 | darxmurf | nop |
| 19:42.08 | darxmurf | it's a dell R610 server |
| 19:42.39 | nvz | darxmurf: I'd test the ram, but for the most part if its not happening very frequently I wouldnt worry too much as it seems to be handling the issue |
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| 19:43.14 | darxmurf | the machine crashed 1h ago and I had to reboot it via IPMI |
| 19:43.25 | darxmurf | now it looks ok except for this message in the kern.log |
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| 19:43.55 | Diopter | darxmurf: Have you checked the MCE log? |
| 19:44.06 | Diopter | darxmurf: Or the DRAC hardware event log? |
| 19:44.34 | nvz | darxmurf: could be any of cooling, power, or ram issue.. its unlikely but it could also be the cpu |
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| 19:44.54 | darxmurf | check the logs with the ipmitools ?= |
| 19:44.56 | darxmurf | ? |
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| 19:45.00 | nvz | darxmurf: if you're using any questionable kernel or recently changed kernel there is a remote possibility its software |
| 19:45.54 | Diopter | darxmurf: No, go into the DRAC interface in a web browser. |
| 19:46.09 | karlpinc | bets on the power supply, for no good reason. |
| 19:46.16 | Diopter | darxmurf: And the mcelog can be checked with the 'mcelog' package. |
| 19:46.23 | darxmurf | don't have the drac pro |
| 19:46.37 | darxmurf | only the ipmi to access the machine via shell |
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| 19:46.42 | darxmurf | or reset it |
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| 19:46.49 | Diopter | Oh |
| 19:46.52 | darxmurf | yep |
| 19:46.55 | Diopter | That makes me D: |
| 19:47.12 | Diopter | Sorry, I work for a hosting company, so I'm used to everything ILO'd or DRAC'd out :P |
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| 19:47.31 | darxmurf | I'm also working for a hosting company |
| 19:47.31 | darxmurf | :D |
| 19:47.40 | darxmurf | but without ILO and DRAC |
| 19:47.40 | darxmurf | :D |
| 19:47.45 | Diopter | lol, fun fun |
| 19:48.02 | darxmurf | well usually it's all ok :D |
| 19:48.34 | darxmurf | as you cou can connect with a console on ipmi |
| 19:49.48 | Diopter | Should be a way to dump the exception logs... |
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| 19:51.11 | darxmurf | hum should I load a module for this mcelog package ? |
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| 19:51.21 | Jhonny5 | hi |
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| 19:52.23 | darxmurf | mcelog: Cannot open /dev/mcelog |
| 19:52.26 | darxmurf | fook |
| 19:53.01 | Diopter | darxmurf: root? |
| 19:53.08 | darxmurf | yep |
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| 19:54.31 | Diopter | Exciting. |
| 19:54.46 | darxmurf | okay... |
| 19:54.48 | darxmurf | 32bit system |
| 19:54.49 | darxmurf | :x |
| 19:55.09 | klys | nothing to be ashamed of |
| 19:55.15 | darxmurf | yep but |
| 19:55.23 | darxmurf | ou need to use 64 bit Linux kernel and operating system to run mcelog. |
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| 19:56.10 | Diopter | Hah |
| 19:56.11 | Diopter | Lame :/ |
| 19:56.18 | darxmurf | 32bit (since 2.6.32) |
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| 19:56.25 | darxmurf | running 2.6.27 \o/ |
| 19:56.38 | Diopter | lol, winrar |
| 19:56.48 | nvz | darxmurf: sounds like a great day to find another job |
| 19:57.00 | darxmurf | it's night here my dear |
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| 19:57.05 | darxmurf | have to wait tomorrow for that |
| 19:57.06 | darxmurf | :D |
| 19:57.09 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:57.45 | nvz | darxmurf: you have no physical access to the machine then, and the machine is running fine for the most part? |
| 19:57.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok thats it i am done with flah |
| 19:57.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | flash |
| 19:58.10 | hotwings | i dont suppose anyone know hows to customize a debian net-install iso? i want to alter the dir structure a little and insert a couple of my own tools into it but not sure how to do this |
| 19:58.14 | darxmurf | yep, it's up and running |
| 19:58.55 | nvz | darxmurf: well I would also venture that taking it down to do a ram diagnostic or check the power supply is out of the question.. so best thing you can do at this point is ignore the issue :-P |
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| 19:59.40 | nvz | darxmurf: make notes, leave it for someone else to deal with :-P thats what a responsible (*snickers*) IT professional would do.. heh |
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| 20:00.32 | darxmurf | and the machine is, of course, 70km from here |
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| 20:00.38 | darxmurf | \o/ |
| 20:01.01 | nvz | because it sounds to me like the people in charge of orchestrating this whole operation have not given you the tools you'd need to do anything else, and short of taking it all down, and installing new software and replacing old and faulty components.. there isn't anything anyone can do at this point |
| 20:01.13 | Iridos | darxmurf, well, could be 3000 miles |
| 20:01.23 | darxmurf | true |
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| 20:01.49 | darxmurf | stop using your bad miles/foot/fingers system |
| 20:01.54 | darxmurf | :D |
| 20:02.00 | darxmurf | use something precise |
| 20:02.01 | darxmurf | :D |
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| 20:02.08 | nvz | darxmurf: heh.. |
| 20:02.34 | nvz | darxmurf: so in other words its 347.967868 furlongs .. heh |
| 20:02.44 | darxmurf | more less |
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| 20:04.08 | nvz | if I were a king who made up a measurment system I'd use my member.. and everything would just be measured in fractions of it.. because anything that was bigger would be thrown in the dungeon.. hah |
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| 20:05.17 | meeep | nvz: so what, my finger would be like 3 or 4 of your MemberLengths?? |
| 20:05.18 | krisfremen | nvz: then everyone would be in the dungeon? |
| 20:05.18 | meeep | :D |
| 20:05.23 | Soxx1990 | lista |
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| 20:07.40 | Soxx1990 | lista |
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| 20:08.27 | Soxx1990 | lista |
| 20:08.29 | Iridos | darxmurf, from package description... 32bit kernels still log everything to dmesg, only 64 bit kernels do not? |
| 20:08.38 | Soxx1990 | liista film |
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| 20:08.48 | Soxx1990 | lista film |
| 20:09.07 | Iridos | slow learner |
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| 20:09.10 | nvz | heh |
| 20:09.23 | nvz | !ops Soxx1990, its obvious |
| 20:09.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nvz complains about: Soxx1990, its obvious |
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| 20:09.31 | Iridos | no need |
| 20:09.36 | nvz | yeah figures |
| 20:09.44 | Iridos | they pretty much always just do !list and leave anyway |
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| 20:10.17 | RichiH | nvz: ta |
| 20:10.45 | nvz | RichiH: false alarm I guess.. thought that one was gonna be too dumb to realize |
| 20:11.19 | RichiH | *shrug* better to have seen it than to have missed i |
| 20:11.20 | RichiH | t |
| 20:11.23 | nvz | its been slow in here this month anyhow, I suppose a little trolling or stupidity wouldnt be a bad thing |
| 20:11.27 | RichiH | now i have someone to follow around the network |
| 20:11.31 | nvz | heh |
| 20:11.52 | nvz | gives me time to go play entanglement |
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| 20:12.57 | melik | hey guys i have numerous logical volumes on a single volume group |
| 20:13.03 | darxmurf | well guys... |
| 20:13.05 | melik | is it safe to format one while the others are connected? |
| 20:13.10 | darxmurf | thanks for your help |
| 20:13.13 | melik | s/connected/mounted/ |
| 20:13.29 | darxmurf | I'll burn a candle for my server |
| 20:13.35 | darxmurf | and wait tomorrow morning |
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| 20:15.53 | karlpinc | melik: Sure. |
| 20:16.06 | karlpinc | melik: (Of course you don't want to do the wrong one!) |
| 20:16.41 | melik | FUCK FUCK FUCK |
| 20:16.42 | melik | I DID THE WRONGO NE |
| 20:16.44 | melik | SHITTTTTTTTT |
| 20:16.46 | melik | just kidding :p |
| 20:16.50 | melik | :) thanks karlpinc |
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| 20:18.03 | smulcahy | karlpinc: just retried install on raid1 with a smaller overall partition (just 20GB) and works fine |
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| 20:18.29 | smulcahy | karlpinc: so your hunch about doing a small /boot sounds right, maybe grub2 can't read very large (>2TB partitions) for /boot |
| 20:18.51 | karlpinc | smulcahy: I think grub asks the bios and that's where the problem is. |
| 20:18.51 | smulcahy | karlpinc: one more install now, hopefully my last for today. Many thanks for the hint. |
| 20:19.29 | smulcahy | anyway, no issue with using drive with 4k sectors, or indeed using GPT |
| 20:19.52 | smulcahy | i haven't used a separate /boot since the lilo days .. ah well, whats old is new again :) |
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| 20:23.48 | skydrome | whats the difference between telnet and the inetutils-telnet packages? they both provide telnet command? |
| 20:25.19 | karlpinc | skydrome: Sounds likely. And likely that there's more than one telnet implimentation. |
| 20:26.34 | Diopter | skydrome: The telnet package provides the netkit telnet implemenetation |
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| 20:27.38 | skydrome | ok and it seems the inetutils is the gnu implemenation |
| 20:27.55 | Diopter | skydrome: The inetutils-telnet package seems to be a GNU implement...yes |
| 20:28.03 | skydrome | ok thanks |
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| 20:28.44 | sanitypassing | can anyone tell me how to get my iPod Touch to mount? (it's jailbroken) |
| 20:29.01 | boo | hi there! good vibes to all ;) Im an computer engineering student in brazil.. going to an university where nothing about linux is taught. |
| 20:29.09 | Diopter | sanitypassing: First, you need to get an aphrodesiac |
| 20:29.22 | Diopter | sanitypassing: Warm it up a little bit, get it in the mood. |
| 20:29.32 | sanitypassing | heh. |
| 20:29.34 | boo | how bad does it sound.. |
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| 20:32.21 | lcc | hi debian |
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| 20:32.44 | karlpinc | boo: If you want to chat there's #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:37.01 | boo2 | ...tanx for the tip mate.. |
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| 20:38.24 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: Start with the output of demesg after plugging it in. |
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| 20:43.21 | sanitypassing | ok. |
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| 20:44.15 | sanitypassing | it looks like it detects it alright |
| 20:44.34 | karlpinc | sanitypassing: Then you know the device. Now you use "mount" to mount it. |
| 20:44.50 | sauvin | I'm using squeeze's backported 3.2 kernel and its backported xorg. I have a [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430], and it runs like crap under nouveau. There's no nvidia for this kernel? |
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| 20:45.17 | ryao | Does Debian Sid use /run? |
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| 20:45.33 | sanitypassing | it doesn' give me anything under /dev/ I can mount |
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| 20:46.46 | sanitypassing | it just says found new device, and prints out some info on what device it is |
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| 20:51.15 | kqr | i have a daemon which runs fine as the user it created during install, but it refuses to start as another user i want it to run as. the init script is the opposite of verbose; do anyone know how i can go about troubleshooting this? |
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| 21:00.57 | sanitypassing | is there are way to upgrade libimobiledevice and usbmuxd without using sid? |
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| 21:06.13 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sanitypassing about ssb |
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| 21:07.08 | Iridos | sanitypassing, stopped working for iOS 5, right? |
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| 21:07.46 | sanitypassing | No, 4.2.1. |
| 21:08.05 | Iridos | then the one in squeeze should be fine? |
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| 21:08.33 | sanitypassing | that's what I thought, but it refuses to work |
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| 21:10.09 | Iridos | hm, did you check the bug tracking system in debian? |
| 21:10.16 | sanitypassing | No |
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| 21:10.52 | Iridos | I think I had 4.3.2 (???) |
| 21:11.00 | Iridos | hm, actually I'm not sure everything worked |
| 21:11.08 | Iridos | just the bits I had any interest in using |
| 21:11.17 | sanitypassing | heh, I don't need everything to work. Just syncing. |
| 21:12.16 | Iridos | upgrade to iOS5 breaks using libimobiledevice in squeeze, though... and I backported libimobiledevice and... some related stuff but dunno, things stayed semibroken |
| 21:12.36 | Iridos | check the bts, compare with your exact symptoms |
| 21:12.38 | sanitypassing | well, I'm using 4.2.1 on a 2nd gen iPod Touch |
| 21:12.42 | sanitypassing | bts? |
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| 21:12.55 | Iridos | bug tracking system |
| 21:12.57 | Iridos | dpkg, bts |
| 21:12.58 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 21:12.59 | sanitypassing | oh, right |
| 21:13.26 | Iridos | I dunno... accessing files should work at least, it did for me |
| 21:13.42 | sanitypassing | well, I can ssh into the device fine, but I guess that isn't a related problem |
| 21:13.45 | Iridos | not sure what exactly you understand under "syncinc" |
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| 21:14.11 | sanitypassing | I just want to be able to put music on it |
| 21:14.28 | jgalt | presently installing wheezy on a eee pc 1005pe. on boot I see the error "modprobe: module unix not found in modules.dep" what is this and is it something I ought care about? just got the most basic system installed right now as I have no network. |
| 21:14.57 | Iridos | I seem to have done that... |
| 21:16.14 | Iridos | sanitypassing, check what demesg writes when you plug in the device... I think it might help if you have rhythmbox open when you plug in... and a DE like gnome running... |
| 21:16.26 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 21:17.06 | Iridos | I guess I should write down what is doing what (well, and figure it out again) |
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| 21:17.39 | Iridos | dunno... lost a bit interest since I could ssh in |
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| 21:17.59 | sanitypassing | https://gist.github.com/2493529 |
| 21:18.06 | sanitypassing | that's the dmesg output when I plug it in |
| 21:18.51 | nvz | sanitypassing: it should work fine with just about anything.. rhythmbox or gtkpod |
| 21:19.11 | Iridos | well, it seems to recognize it |
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| 21:19.18 | Iridos | I keep wondering about: configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices |
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| 21:19.58 | nvz | though both of my touches are broken.. I've been using the nano video for quite awhile now which has always worked |
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| 21:20.19 | nvz | but as I understand ipods work well.. my cousin plugs his iphone in and it comes up with apps that have documents and such |
| 21:20.48 | Iridos | iOS5 breaks use of libimobiledevice from squeeze, though... |
| 21:21.03 | sanitypassing | I'm only running iOS 4.x |
| 21:21.09 | Iridos | a newer version of it has been fixed up to work with it again |
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| 21:21.27 | Iridos | that was just for nvz :) |
| 21:21.40 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 21:22.29 | nvz | well actually I just had him plug it in, and the iphone shows apps that have documents in nautilus, photos in shotwell, but its not showing any music in rhythmbox and I know he's got at least a few songs |
| 21:22.48 | nvz | probably some kinda drm though cause his are purchased songs |
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| 21:24.04 | Iridos | sanitypassing, I'd try to compare with yours... but a) since iOS5 definitely squeezes doesnt work and b) my desktop where I tried to fix stuff up broke |
| 21:24.24 | Iridos | so... also just have a broken squeeze now |
| 21:24.27 | nvz | yeah I am on ubuntu 10.04 or whatever natty |
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| 21:24.44 | Iridos | also seemed to have the same on the desktop for dunno reasons after backporting |
| 21:24.47 | nvz | but I recall using my ipod touches somehow or another with squeeze when they worked |
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| 21:25.09 | nvz | I used ezshare for transferring most stuff wirelessly |
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| 21:25.43 | sauvin | Grr. |
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| 21:26.01 | sauvin | Telling people "you just need the newest kernel!" can cause problems. |
| 21:26.47 | Diopter | nvz: Depends on how old the songs are. iTunes hasn't had DRM on music for a long time now |
| 21:26.56 | nvz | sauvin: telling people anything can cause problems.. I've known people.. they're stupid.. |
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| 21:29.48 | oounr | hello, i'm trying to install py-rrdtool, but that's what i get: http://dpaste.org/J8t6y/ doesn't seem to be python related; what could be wrong with gcc here? |
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| 21:31.21 | nvz | oounr: looks to be missing headers. |
| 21:31.40 | oounr | nvz: which headers? |
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| 21:31.46 | oounr | oh, the .h |
| 21:31.59 | oounr | there doesn't seem to be a debian package containing them |
| 21:31.59 | nvz | oounr: if I had to guess that file src/_rrdtoolmodule.c:34:17 references a header that doesnt exist |
| 21:32.00 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.13 | nvz | oounr: is this debian source you're working with? |
| 21:32.16 | Iridos | oounr, what's wrong with the python-rrdtool package? |
| 21:32.33 | oounr | no, original py-rrdtool sources |
| 21:32.52 | Iridos | judd, versions python-rrdtool |
| 21:32.53 | judd | Package: python-rrdtool on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.1-4; lenny-backports: 1.4.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.3-1; sid: 1.4.7-1; wheezy: 1.4.7-1 |
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| 21:33.07 | Iridos | use packages, that's what they're for |
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| 21:33.52 | oounr | http://dpaste.org/DvNSa/ |
| 21:35.00 | Iridos | judd, versions rrdtool |
| 21:35.01 | judd | Package: rrdtool on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.1-4; lenny-backports: 1.4.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.3-1; sid: 1.4.7-1; wheezy: 1.4.7-1 |
| 21:35.10 | Iridos | well, they're both in main |
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| 21:35.26 | oounr | oh, am i not running main? |
| 21:35.47 | oounr | stupid question, but i don't know how to check |
| 21:35.53 | Iridos | well... dunno what you're doing. rrdool AND python-rrdtool are both in main |
| 21:36.17 | Iridos | so should either see both or not |
| 21:36.25 | Iridos | look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:36.55 | oounr | shoul i just add a server to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:38.31 | oounr | http://dpaste.org/8Y66k/ |
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| 21:39.27 | oounr | what's wrong with this sources.list? |
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| 21:40.55 | Iridos | no wonder |
| 21:41.12 | Iridos | you're still on lenny and support for lenny ended begin of February |
| 21:41.24 | aguitel | oounr, lenny +squeeze+testing |
| 21:41.25 | Iridos | which means the servers went away |
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| 21:41.39 | aguitel | why |
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| 21:42.10 | Iridos | yeah, plus a horrible mix with "whatever was testing at any time" |
| 21:42.10 | oounr | yeah, i want to delay doing an update on this particular machine for a while |
| 21:42.23 | Iridos | well, you had a year after squeeze released |
| 21:42.52 | Iridos | and now is a very good time |
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| 21:43.21 | oounr | it will take a while running the whole apt-get update etc. i assume |
| 21:43.33 | Iridos | also immediately stop mixing with testing... if it's not too late |
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| 21:43.43 | oounr | and it's a system 'critical' act... |
| 21:43.56 | Iridos | dpkg, tell oounr about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:44.23 | ganz | hi |
| 21:44.23 | ganz | I've a problem with blender, characters are rendered "in a strange way" http://uploadpie.com/Cr2bM |
| 21:44.23 | ganz | I'm using debian testing and my video card is an ATI XPress x1250 |
| 21:44.23 | ganz | any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 21:45.06 | Iridos | also, obviously remove testing ... I dunno, you might still have a bumpy ride upgrading, depending how much stuff was pulled in from squeeze or even wheezy ... |
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| 21:45.15 | oounr | 'if it's not too late', i can't test that, right? |
| 21:45.33 | Iridos | quick typer, was he? |
| 21:45.57 | Iridos | oounr, well.... mainly by doing the upgrade |
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| 21:46.28 | oounr | well, upgrading could f up the whole system then as far as i can see |
| 21:46.31 | Iridos | you can try to figure out how much you mixed in... but to find out if it really makes problems... |
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| 21:47.08 | Iridos | oounr, as far as I see it, mixing squeeze and wheezy into an old lenny fucked up the whole system |
| 21:47.29 | Iridos | this might only be where you face the consequences |
| 21:47.35 | oounr | sure, but just switching over now could really make things unusable, i fear |
| 21:48.20 | Iridos | well... it seems pretty unusable already |
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| 21:48.37 | oounr | no real problems so far |
| 21:48.38 | Iridos | dpkg, tell oounr about lenny sources.list |
| 21:48.48 | Iridos | well... except the ones you came here for? |
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| 21:49.11 | oounr | sure, that's not a 'real' problem |
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| 21:49.25 | oounr | a lot of the old servers still work, though |
| 21:49.39 | Iridos | you can still get the outdated packages for lenny... I dunno if python-rrdtool was in lenny though |
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| 21:51.13 | oounr | basically, how would i update the whole mess? change sources.list, then run the dpkg update/upgrade routine? |
| 21:51.25 | Iridos | if this is a machine that faces the internet, I would say lack of security updates for 3 month begins to turn into a "real problem" |
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| 21:51.37 | oounr | Iridos: that's true |
| 21:51.48 | Iridos | read the instructions dpkg sent you for the upgrade |
| 21:51.51 | oounr | not too important for this particular one, though |
| 21:52.06 | boudiccas | ,versions KDE |
| 21:52.07 | judd | No package named 'KDE' was found in i386. |
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| 21:52.13 | Iridos | additionally throw out the testing stuff, of course |
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| 21:52.51 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about kde version |
| 21:53.08 | oounr | do i remember correclty? for upgrading dpkg never removes packages but only updates them? |
| 21:53.11 | Iridos | look at release notes... make sure you get the udev upgrade in the right order |
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| 21:53.20 | oounr | what about the testing stuff that leaked in there then? |
| 21:53.47 | Iridos | hopefully that's from before squeeze was released... |
| 21:54.00 | oounr | otherwise? |
| 21:54.11 | Iridos | otherwise you're still mixing afterwards |
| 21:54.27 | oounr | if i remove the testing servers from sources.list? |
| 21:54.28 | Iridos | in any case can give dependency problems... as can using backports |
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| 21:54.42 | Iridos | you must do that anyway |
| 21:54.55 | oounr | what's the worst scenario? |
| 21:55.34 | Iridos | oounr, a tsunami comes and wipes away the region you live in |
| 21:55.38 | oounr | how long would a whole upgrade take? |
| 21:56.25 | Iridos | dunno... depends on what problems you hit, your internet connection, if you know what to answer to the questions... |
| 21:56.27 | oounr | you guys are experienced, i can't estimate |
| 21:56.51 | Iridos | an hour or two without problems? |
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| 21:57.28 | oounr | well, that's why the worst case answer since i don't see the worst possbile problems, and since i know a bit about software, there _will_ be problems |
| 21:57.39 | Iridos | I dunno... I usually do other stuff while it downloads and then miss the questions about config and so... spins out the whole thing a bit |
| 21:57.55 | Iridos | hehe |
| 21:58.04 | oounr | Iridos: isn't that risky? |
| 21:58.18 | Iridos | what's risky? |
| 21:58.23 | oounr | i would really like to have the machine running during upgrade |
| 21:58.38 | oounr | Iridos: risky if you change the system while upgrading |
| 21:58.48 | Iridos | huh? |
| 21:58.52 | Iridos | I don't understand what you mean |
| 21:59.05 | Iridos | change what on the system |
| 21:59.52 | Iridos | ok bedtime anyway |
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| 22:00.09 | Iridos | if there's too many problems, you can always just do a clean install... |
| 22:00.17 | Iridos | specially if you have separate /home |
| 22:00.26 | oounr | sepereate? |
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| 22:00.30 | Iridos | good backups help sanity a lot |
| 22:00.35 | oounr | sure |
| 22:00.36 | Iridos | separate mount |
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| 22:01.05 | oounr | no seperate mount, but a decent backup, so i could just throw this into the new install |
| 22:01.08 | Iridos | you can get approximately the same packages with this |
| 22:01.16 | oounr | though i don't prefer a new install |
| 22:01.19 | Iridos | dpkg, tell oounr about debian clone |
| 22:01.57 | Iridos | neither do I |
| 22:02.20 | Iridos | but it can be easier than to bite through a lot of dependency problems |
| 22:02.33 | Iridos | although perhaps less fun :D |
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| 22:03.10 | oounr | why would i like to clone the messy system to a freshly installed one? |
| 22:03.55 | sauvin | Where the hell is xorg.conf.d so that display drivers and suchlike can be configured? |
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| 22:04.13 | Diopter | sauvin: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 22:04.25 | sauvin | Nothing there mentions display. |
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| 22:04.58 | oounr | Iridos: well, thanks for the help so far, if i decide to do the necessary steps i will feel free to come back again |
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| 22:05.37 | Iridos | oounr, if you look at the factoid... this just clones the package selection |
| 22:06.17 | oounr | what about the old testin packages, they will be cloned, too, i guess |
| 22:06.43 | lopardo | hi, I'm installing debian, and I wondered whether I should use ext3 or ext4? I've read some sites where they said ext4 might potentially produce data loss |
| 22:07.10 | Iridos | oounr, try it and see... it doesn't store package versions, just names |
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| 22:08.02 | oounr | ah, so i can install a new system and then use the selectionfile to install all the package, but the new versions (if available), correct? |
| 22:08.13 | Iridos | right |
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| 22:08.26 | Iridos | lopardo, your question seems to imply the answer |
| 22:08.39 | Diopter | sauvin: That's because by default there aren't any display config files. If you want to add one, it's easy |
| 22:08.41 | oounr | what's the 'install/deinstall' column in the selectionfile? |
| 22:09.00 | Diopter | sauvin: Section "Device"\nIdentifier "Blah"\nDriver "blah"\nEndSection |
| 22:09.20 | Diopter | I've typed it enough for nvidia shenanigans, heh |
| 22:09.38 | oounr | Iridos: plus, aren't there any other things constitution the system besides the packages, stupid question, but i don't really know what i'm talking about, i fear |
| 22:09.39 | Iridos | lopardo, ext4 isn't default in debian, because it came out too shortly before squeeze was released |
| 22:09.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell lopardo about ext4 |
| 22:10.04 | Iridos | oounr, yes. config files. |
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| 22:10.21 | oounr | Iridos: so 'deinstall' means that those packages are still installed, but should be deinstalled? |
| 22:10.34 | Iridos | probably |
| 22:10.41 | oounr | Iridos: can i clone the configs, too? i mean there are otheres besides the ones in all the ~/ |
| 22:10.45 | lopardo | ah, ok |
| 22:10.51 | lopardo | thank you very much |
| 22:10.57 | Iridos | oounr, config is in /etc/ |
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| 22:11.39 | oounr | Iridos: so 1) clean install; 2) dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get |
| 22:11.45 | oounr | sorry |
| 22:11.48 | Iridos | and you can try to just copy that over... but that is where your "messy" argument comes to play |
| 22:11.54 | dioz | acer aspire one d270 |
| 22:12.18 | Iridos | oounr, gotta make the selection file first? |
| 22:12.29 | Iridos | just as it says in the factoid... |
| 22:12.33 | oounr | Iridos: so 1) clean install; 2) dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get deselect-upgrade 3) copy /etc/ over 4) face the problems ?? |
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| 22:13.12 | Iridos | oounr, I wouldn't copy etc over... that creates too many problems |
| 22:13.22 | oounr | Iridos: alternative? |
| 22:13.42 | Iridos | keep copy of /etc ready to compare, perhaps copy single files (apache config) if they contain elaborate configuration |
| 22:14.09 | oounr | apache config? |
| 22:14.14 | oounr | cool tool? |
| 22:14.28 | Iridos | no... the configuration files for the apache webserver |
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| 22:14.47 | Iridos | if you have virtual hosts and, and, and... that'd be something you want to copy |
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| 22:15.12 | oounr | etc is huge |
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| 22:15.41 | Iridos | right |
| 22:15.49 | Iridos | but most stuff isn't hand-edited anyway |
| 22:16.11 | oounr | but it will have to be hand-edited if the diff is 'negative' |
| 22:16.19 | oounr | and of course it _will_ be |
| 22:16.22 | Iridos | no |
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| 22:16.38 | Iridos | it will have to be hand-edited if the default behavior isn't sufficient |
| 22:17.04 | oounr | sure, but there are a lot of configs/config dirs for diverse tools |
| 22:17.08 | Iridos | which usually means < 10 files |
| 22:17.12 | oounr | ok |
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| 22:17.45 | oounr | oh, i forgot to mention that all the home dirs will have to be migrated, too |
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| 22:20.04 | oounr | so to wrap it up: 1) fresh install (latest main, stable) 2) apply the selectionfile 3) diff /etc and adjust it 4) copy over homes 5) solve a lot of unpredictable problems |
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| 22:20.10 | oounr | did i leave something out? |
| 22:20.23 | Iridos | wraps himself up into bed |
| 22:20.31 | oounr | one more question |
| 22:20.33 | oounr | sorry |
| 22:20.38 | oounr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.50 | oounr | to 'backup a whole system', what's the best solution? |
| 22:21.05 | oounr | selectionfile, copy /etc, copy /homes ? |
| 22:21.13 | oounr | s/\/homes/homes/ |
| 22:21.24 | Iridos | /var/www if there's a webserver |
| 22:21.33 | Iridos | or just copy everything if you have enough space |
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| 22:21.44 | oounr | oh yeah, sure the usual server stuff, forgot about that |
| 22:21.47 | Iridos | rsync would do that |
| 22:21.53 | oounr | Iridos: and enought time! |
| 22:22.06 | Iridos | well... midnight here |
| 22:22.13 | Iridos | 8h? :P |
| 22:22.15 | nvz | real men use butterflies.. heh |
| 22:22.18 | oounr | but the selectionfile solution allows a full new install |
| 22:22.24 | oounr | rsync doesn't |
| 22:22.34 | oounr | Iridos: sorry, have some sleep |
| 22:22.34 | Iridos | I meant for a backup |
| 22:22.52 | oounr | 'I mean for a backup'? |
| 22:22.59 | Iridos | good to have a copy everything if you just kill everything |
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| 22:23.11 | Iridos | you never know what obscure thing in which obscure place you forgot |
| 22:23.18 | oounr | Iridos: sure, but a whole backup takes some days, usually |
| 22:23.31 | Iridos | ha... happened to me... didn't copy all... finally a key in /root/.ssh/ was lost |
| 22:23.48 | kresp0 | take a look on /var if you have mail server, mysql... |
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| 22:23.56 | oounr | very bad luck |
| 22:24.03 | kresp0 | and /root for obscure things |
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| 22:24.42 | kresp0 | and take care of copying .* directories inside user homes |
| 22:24.52 | oounr | is there something like the 'fastest' way to backup a whole 250/500gb drive? |
| 22:25.01 | oounr | any ways to speed up rsync? |
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| 22:25.14 | kresp0 | the fastest way is a local copy |
| 22:25.23 | oounr | local copy? |
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| 22:26.03 | oounr | sure, but to copy it you will have to run rsync, and this takes significant time for every gb |
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| 22:27.33 | thewanderer1 | huh, I'm seeing high CPU usage from ksoftirqd/0 and kworkers. any way to investigate that? |
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| 22:28.23 | nvz | my answer to everything today is butterflies.. I'm gonna go awol now |
| 22:28.39 | valdyn | oounr: when this is a huge number of files than copying the plain block device can be faster |
| 22:29.06 | oounr | valdyn: dd? |
| 22:29.20 | valdyn | oounr: yes |
| 22:29.36 | valdyn | oounr: depends on what you want to do really |
| 22:29.53 | oounr | just a 1:1 clone of the old drive as fast as possible |
| 22:30.21 | oounr | i can't estimate copying a 500gb device; depends on the bus though |
| 22:30.39 | valdyn | oounr: that shouldnt depend on the bus |
| 22:31.25 | oounr | valdyn: but? |
| 22:31.33 | valdyn | oounr: drive speed |
| 22:31.56 | gnarface | valdyn: unless that is, of course, the bus is IDE and you only have one of them and the drives are both connected to it |
| 22:32.25 | gnarface | then it most certainly depends on the bus speed not the disk |
| 22:32.59 | thewanderer1 | aha! apparently, unplugging disks which are mdraid members generates lots of interrupts until you turn the arrays off... |
| 22:33.00 | oounr | valdyn: how long for a decent 500gb one, your estimation? any experience? |
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| 22:35.19 | oounr | if i missed something here, feel free to tell me: http://dpaste.org/eqgO7/ |
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| 22:36.01 | thewanderer1 | oounr: calculator says dd would take about 3 hours... in practice, it's usually slower and I have no idea why :P |
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| 22:36.46 | oounr | 3 hours is no real estimation, in my eyes, maybe for very fast drives |
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| 22:37.10 | thewanderer1 | I assumed 50MB/s, modern disks can do that in sequential I/O |
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| 22:37.48 | oounr | makes sense, but a lot of older ones are still slower |
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| 22:40.39 | oounr | if there an error in reasoning in here http://www.dict.cc/?s=denkfehler please tell me |
| 22:41.07 | oounr | it looks to easy to me |
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| 22:46.48 | dermarktler | Hello |
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| 22:47.48 | jaggz- | how do I exclude all .svn/ directories from a diff -r? |
| 22:49.13 | oounr | jaggz-: diff -x '.svg*' |
| 22:49.31 | oounr | jaggz-: this will exclude all .svn* files, too, be aware of that! |
| 22:49.59 | jaggz- | thank you :) I'm not sure how the pattern matching works in this though |
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| 22:50.04 | jaggz- | it worked great though |
| 22:50.10 | themill | -x.svn is enough |
| 22:50.18 | Diopter | jaggz-: Probably just standard globs. |
| 22:50.54 | jaggz- | oh and it matches on any file/dir name within the path (as it traverses I figure).. but that's why -x '.svn/*' doesn't work |
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| 22:51.27 | oounr | jaggz-: for small projects just cloning the project and excluding all .svn/ dirs should work just, fine too |
| 22:52.38 | jaggz- | you mean, for other types of processing where the .svn dirs are getting in the way? |
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| 22:53.46 | dermarktler | can i get help about wifi drivers installing |
| 22:54.13 | Diopter | dermarktler: Sure. What's up? |
| 22:54.24 | oounr | jaggz-: if you don't immediately apply changes based on the diff, working with a reduced clone is just fine, if you know what you have removed |
| 22:54.35 | oounr | jaggz-: but basically yes |
| 22:54.50 | dermarktler | but i have to say |
| 22:54.55 | dermarktler | that i use snowlinux (debian based derivat) |
| 22:55.19 | jaggz- | yeah I wasn't actually making a patch file.. I was examining two versions of some software I had to determine which was my more recent source, and which changes from the older I wanted to move over |
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| 22:55.37 | dermarktler | is this something against helping me here? |
| 22:55.39 | dermarktler | *among |
| 22:56.03 | Diopter | dermarktler: Depends on how different it ends up being or not :P What's the question? |
| 22:56.04 | themill | dermarktler: you need to ask your question... |
| 22:56.20 | dermarktler | well i use wicd and it detects my wifi card |
| 22:56.25 | dermarktler | But i can not connectg |
| 22:56.33 | dermarktler | connect |
| 22:57.12 | Diopter | dermarktler: WiCD can be pretty finicky, especially lately. Have you checked the logfile? |
| 22:57.44 | dermarktler | well i am not so experienced in linux |
| 22:57.57 | dermarktler | But i have to set a wpa key in wicd but do not know where |
| 22:58.10 | Diopter | Oh |
| 22:58.22 | Diopter | When you've highlighted the SSID, hit the right arrow key -> |
| 22:58.39 | Diopter | If you're using wicd-curses that is.... |
| 22:58.48 | Diopter | which I kind of assumed since I always do... :P |
| 22:59.15 | dermarktler | well maybe it helps you if i tell you the URL |
| 22:59.15 | dermarktler | http://snowlinux.de/blog/341-snowlinux-2-qiceq-released#yvComment341_2 |
| 22:59.19 | dermarktler | this i am using |
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| 22:59.52 | Diopter | Don't really need to know that. WiCD is WiCD :P Are you using the GUI client or the terminal client? |
| 22:59.58 | dermarktler | gui |
| 22:59.59 | Diopter | I assume the former |
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| 23:00.11 | Diopter | Ok. Have you tried double-clicking or right-clicking the entry for your SSID? |
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| 23:00.28 | dermarktler | wait i will try |
| 23:00.49 | Diopter | Be adventurous ;P |
| 23:00.55 | dermarktler | ahhh cool |
| 23:01.02 | dermarktler | double click worked!!! |
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| 23:01.34 | dermarktler | now i can enter a key wait i will try |
| 23:02.06 | dermarktler | YESSSSSSSSS Conntected to WIFI xxx |
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| 23:02.23 | Diopter | haha, fun fun |
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| 23:02.36 | dermarktler | yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 23:02.47 | dermarktler | poor wlan quality but okay |
| 23:02.49 | isaac_ | How do I play 10 bit H264 video without it being all pixelated and messed up? I'm on a pretty much clean install. |
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| 23:03.54 | dermarktler | Thankyou for help |
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| 23:04.52 | queso | Could someone point me to descriptions about the differences between stable and testing? Is testing "stable" enough for regular workstation use or do updates regularly break packages leading to clean installs? If one installs testing, when testing becomes stable will it upgrade cleanly to stable? Does stable always support upgrading relatively pain-free to the next stable? |
| 23:06.34 | zymurgy | How would one go about completely purging X and KDE, and reinstalling them anew? |
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| 23:06.51 | zymurgy | And get rid of *anything* installed from backports? |
| 23:06.56 | thewanderer1 | queso: testing is not suitable for using on a workstation. clean upgrades may be possible (done in the past), but it's not a worry-free experience. |
| 23:07.38 | themill | dpkg: tell zymurgy about bpo list |
| 23:07.39 | thewanderer1 | queso: about stable → next stable, yes, I have never had any problems doing that |
| 23:08.02 | oounr | since there's activity again: if there's something completely wrong with this approach please tell me: http://dpaste.org/4zxij/ |
| 23:08.07 | thewanderer1 | if there are any known issues to be aware of, they are listed in the release notes |
| 23:08.44 | zymurgy | Let's start a little more simply: how to just purge KDE and X? |
| 23:09.10 | thewanderer1 | oounr: I'd just tar the whole system instead of doing a clean install |
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| 23:09.43 | oounr | thewanderer1: tar the system? |
| 23:09.54 | themill | zymurgy: /msg dpkg remove kde; /msg dpkg remove x; (the kde one might not quite be right for kde4) |
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| 23:10.01 | thewanderer1 | oounr: or `cp -a` to the new location... |
| 23:10.12 | zymurgy | "might not be quite right"? |
| 23:10.33 | thewanderer1 | oounr: then reinstall GRUB, update UUIDs where applicable and it should work |
| 23:10.42 | oounr | the problem is that the system is a Frankenstein-Debian, so it is a particularly good idea to do a fresh install and just migrate the packages/configs/user data/server data |
| 23:10.43 | themill | zymurgy: might leave stuff behind. I've not tested it |
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| 23:11.36 | thewanderer1 | oounr: in that case, your solution is viable. just keep a backup of the old files - no doubt you'll realize "oh man, I forgot this file" at some point after the migration :P |
| 23:11.37 | queso | thewanderer1: Okay, thank you. For a server environment, if one decides to go debian, you just upgrade from oldstable to newstable every two years? |
| 23:11.37 | oounr | thewanderer1: so taring it would just migrate the inconsistencies etc., too |
| 23:11.54 | thewanderer1 | queso: yeah |
| 23:12.28 | oounr | thewanderer1: sure, there will be more time consumed by unexpended problems than by the actual migration process, but still it's the cleanest and fastest solution that i can see so far |
| 23:12.41 | oounr | i mean installation alone takes a while |
| 23:12.55 | thewanderer1 | I'd say go for it |
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| 23:13.29 | queso | thewanderer1: is that why there isn't a long-term support version? because upgrading to new stable is supported? you can't do it with rhel/clones, which in part is why they have to support for so long. Am I understanding right? |
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| 23:14.43 | thewanderer1 | queso: the reason, I suppose, is that nobody wants to support security issues of outdated software... but there is also typically no need to keep old installs around, since upgrades usually go well |
| 23:16.02 | damacus | i like that there's "1 year after new release" |
| 23:16.19 | damacus | do wish that there'd be a "stable will live for at least 2 years" precedent though |
| 23:16.27 | damacus | the previous stable release history is a bit sporadic |
| 23:16.48 | queso | thewanderer1: So debian is good for enterprise situations, then, it just has a different philosophy about support/upgrades than RH? |
| 23:16.50 | themill | damacus: they're been pretty regularly 2 years apart for quite some time now |
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| 23:17.45 | Diopter | queso: Well, one big difference is that RedHat provides enterprise support contracts, as a company. Debian isn't a company. It influences the decisions made about RHEL as far as support/upgrades. |
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| 23:17.57 | thewanderer1 | queso: I haven't been a customer of RedHat, so no idea about their policies. it works for my small-medium deployments, though. |
| 23:18.16 | Diopter | I have been, on a very large scale. |
| 23:18.18 | thewanderer1 | (the "it" being Debian, that is) |
| 23:18.33 | queso | thewanderer1: I'm going to be building a few new servers and I want to use debian. I'm just a little iffy on it knowing a new stable will be released probably in less than a year. |
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| 23:19.01 | damacus | queso: fwiw, i've done a few deb5 -> deb6 in-place upgrades, and all were flawles.s |
| 23:19.06 | thewanderer1 | queso: well, you'll just upgrade and go on :P |
| 23:19.07 | queso | Diopter: Right, I understand Debian isn't a company. :) |
| 23:19.09 | damacus | i was very impressed. |
| 23:19.17 | Diopter | queso: Debian's stable is very, very stable. Just stage your upgrades, have backups, have a rollback strategy, understand what your config changes (from package stock) mean |
| 23:19.19 | damacus | (i switched off ubuntu mid-deb5) |
| 23:19.29 | Diopter | I.e., use intelligent IT release management policies. |
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| 23:20.39 | queso | Okay, thanks for all your help guys. My ubuntu maverick desktop was just EOL'd and I think I will use debian. I also want to use it for a few servers I'm setting up. I want something more stable than ubuntu. |
| 23:20.59 | damacus | poor ubuntu lost its way :( |
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| 23:21.38 | damacus | alas, drove me into the hands of debian and I've never been happier with a distro. |
| 23:21.42 | Diopter | queso: most anything is more stable than ubuntu. |
| 23:22.16 | damacus | (recall trying debian slink / potato back in the day - wasn't too keen on it then.) |
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| 23:22.50 | Diopter | I'd like to be able to say that Ubuntu is really stable and reliable. I have to rely on it for production deployments of cloud software, as a career |
| 23:23.03 | Diopter | But sadly it's a constant struggle with the changes they make, and things they break :P |
| 23:23.27 | Diopter | Pure Debian wins for consistency and stability |
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| 23:23.59 | hotwings | its funny you mention that because i know a _lot_ of ubuntu users who are fed up with it and looking into other options |
| 23:24.06 | queso | My experience with rhel/centos makes me feel like I'm in a foreign land there. Config files are scattered whereever. You have to add a repo for this and a repo for that. Doesn't make any sense. |
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| 23:24.30 | hotwings | i personally use debian testing here, but i dont use linux for a desktop so i have no reason or desire to install ubuntu or the like |
| 23:24.35 | Diopter | queso: That's mostly only the case with EPEL stuff. The base RHEL package set is actually very consistent. |
| 23:24.46 | Diopter | queso: Pretty much /etc and /etc/sysconfig, and you're set :P |
| 23:25.00 | thewanderer1 | unfortunately, without EPEL it's of not much use :P |
| 23:25.20 | queso | Diopter: Right, but even stuff in /etc could at least be organized into subdirs. |
| 23:25.39 | dvs | looks at what channel he stumbled into |
| 23:25.57 | hotwings | #kiddiepics obviously |
| 23:26.06 | thewanderer1 | dvs: welcome to #debian-afterhours , would you like a cup of Ubuntu bashing? :) |
| 23:26.09 | hotwings | pull up an image viewer and enjoy |
| 23:26.22 | peterrooney | I use debian stable as my desktop. |
| 23:26.25 | dvs | thewanderer1: Please! |
| 23:27.04 | themill | wonders if there's any chance of getting back to debian user support |
| 23:27.24 | hotwings | ask a question themill |
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| 23:27.26 | thewanderer1 | themill: what, you haven't had enough problems for tonight? :P |
| 23:27.47 | peterrooney | themill: iceweasel keeps on crashing on most pages with flash, using flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 23:27.59 | themill | peterrooney: uninstall flash |
| 23:28.01 | themill | !next |
| 23:28.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:28.23 | peterrooney | themill: as in, goodbye boingboing.net |
| 23:30.35 | McShane | Anyone tried the new version of LMDE? |
| 23:31.26 | themill | McShane: the people in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org probably have |
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| 23:36.10 | bwulf | i think he means the window manager McShane ? |
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| 23:36.20 | bwulf | oh pardon |
| 23:36.23 | bwulf | lxde * |
| 23:36.57 | Diopter | Interesting. Hadn't heard of LMDE |
| 23:37.27 | bwulf | I just read on it the other day, neat stuff . |
| 23:37.32 | Diopter | At least it's based on Debian Testing, rather than Ubuntu's sid+patches+magic |
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| 23:38.29 | xispirito | i am the only one than like stable? |
| 23:38.51 | bwulf | I was on stable, upgraded to testing a few weeks ago |
| 23:39.30 | themill | xispirito: all my machines run stable. I don't have time to keep chasing a moving target... |
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| 23:40.41 | xispirito | is good for me, no surprises, no problems, easy... |
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| 23:43.01 | Diopter | I like stable, and backports is a long way towards enabling newer software availability |
| 23:43.44 | Diopter | But if you do certain types of dev, it's often not fast enough or new enough |
| 23:43.58 | xispirito | i don't have tried backports yet, maybe i try |
| 23:45.08 | queso | Will wheezy when released as stable stop upgrading iceweasel? |
| 23:45.40 | Diopter | I would imagine so. Except for security updates. |
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| 23:47.12 | queso | Is something like backported postgresql-9.1 stable enough to be used in enterprise production environments? |
| 23:47.37 | vty | Hey guys, I'm looking to use vmerge to merge my /lv_root and /lv_home volumes together as my root is almost out of space but home barely used. I'm not very familiar with vmerge and the documentation is pretty poor, anyone familiar with doing this? |
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| 23:50.27 | Diopter | vty: haven't ever vgmerged, but I imagine it's probably rather robust. The process itself is simple |
| 23:50.50 | Diopter | vty: Do you see that one of the constraints is that the physical extent sizes are equal? |
| 23:51.19 | vty | Yeah, I'm just confused, I know I need to make the volume inactive before it will let me merge, but being that it's the /home/ partition.. Will I run into issues? |
| 23:51.34 | vty | Yeah that didn't make sense to me either |
| 23:51.44 | Diopter | You're merging /home to /? |
| 23:51.46 | vty | Basically it's your run of the mill 2 parition LVM install with an 80g volume |
| 23:52.01 | vty | So I think it's 40gb/40gb |
| 23:52.23 | vty | Diopter, whatever is best, I figured /home to / but that may be ignorant of me |
| 23:52.29 | sioux_ | whaTs wrong with this script, that dont show up date in name of backup ? http://pastebin.com/LCDMf34q |
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| 23:53.09 | vty | ./home has 1% used space, / has 90% |
| 23:53.24 | vty | It's a simple issue I'm just not sure of the best methjod |
| 23:53.40 | Diopter | vty: vgdisplay -C -o vg_name,vg_extent_size, to check the two PE sizes |
| 23:54.15 | Diopter | vty: Oh, so... you probably don't want vgmerge. You probably only have one volume group, with two logical volumes in it :P |
| 23:54.28 | vty | oh, see there you go |
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| 23:54.43 | vty | yeah it's one volume group with 2 volumes, sorry, I've honestly never done much with lvm |
| 23:54.55 | Diopter | vty: So, you're really using 90% of 40GB in /? If so, you're probably doing something very wrong. |
| 23:55.13 | Diopter | I've got a 16GB / and it's only 34% in use. With a lot of stuff installed. |
| 23:55.21 | vty | Yeah. It's a programmers server, I'm sure he's breaking everything |
| 23:55.26 | Diopter | Ah, neat. |
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| 23:55.43 | vty | He just wants the /home space given to /root, or at least a portion of it |
| 23:55.47 | vty | So.. no questions ;p |
| 23:55.49 | Diopter | haha |
| 23:55.56 | Diopter | You can do it. |
| 23:55.58 | vty | I figured it'd be braindead simple since it's lvm |
| 23:56.06 | Diopter | What filesystem is / ? |
| 23:56.28 | vty | all ext45 |
| 23:56.29 | vty | 4 |
| 23:56.36 | ironm | good evening. Does one of you run RAID5 (5drives + 1 spare drive) based on mdadm? I have some performance data: awk '/^# [RW]/ {print}; /MB\/s/ {print}; /rsync/ {print}' RAID5-performance.txt | pbp.sh |
| 23:56.36 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/165283/ |
| 23:56.55 | ironm | the whole file: http://paste.debian.net/165284/ |
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