| 00:00.17 | Diopter | So... you're probably going to have to live-CD this, as ext4 doesn't support online resize until kernel 3.3. Basically: copy the contents of /home to somewhere on /, like /opt/homebak, unmount /home, lvremove the home volume, lvresize root volume with -l 100%FREE, then resize2fs the root volume, mv /opt/homebak into /home, remove /home from fstab |
| 00:00.54 | Diopter | vty: You can try passing the -r flag to lvresize, to do the FS resize for you |
| 00:01.17 | Diopter | vty: You should end up with a single lv, root, of 80GB, and /home is just a dir |
| 00:01.30 | vty | and i dont need to readd the /home to fstab because now its a dir, and fstab only has mounts right |
| 00:01.36 | Diopter | Right |
| 00:01.42 | vty | you rock |
| 00:01.50 | vty | i tried linux and wherever else for some help, nada |
| 00:02.05 | vty | i knew it was simple being lvm, lol |
| 00:02.33 | Diopter | lol, no worries. LVM makes these things a lot easier, for sure. Particularly when you have a lot of partitions. |
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| 00:02.55 | Diopter | for collapsing to a single one, you could technically fdisk/parted/etc resize a partition, then resize2fs to fill it |
| 00:03.06 | Diopter | But lvm > all for this stuff |
| 00:03.08 | vty | i didnt realize this kernel was so old, 2.62 and i installed it a few months ago |
| 00:03.23 | vty | but its *whispers* centos |
| 00:03.26 | Alestan | So, I've got gnome3, mate, and cinnamon installed on my desktop. I'd like to know how to select which is used as the system default. I know how to select any of them, per-session, but I have been unable to figure out how to set it system-wide, and set the default for the startx command. Did I miss a man page related to it somewhere? |
| 00:03.28 | Diopter | lawlz |
| 00:03.45 | Diopter | vty: Probably not that old, then. They backport kernel updates, and just tick up their own version number |
| 00:03.55 | vty | ahh |
| 00:03.58 | Diopter | Makes it suck for figuring out the 'real' kernel version |
| 00:04.02 | vty | yeah |
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| 00:04.28 | vty | Any way to determine if this specific ext4 supports online reize? |
| 00:04.32 | vty | maybe a command via lvm> |
| 00:04.59 | Diopter | Erm... it just hit 3.3, so I'm going to venture to say "haha" as the likelihood. |
| 00:05.02 | lru | I'm looking for an end-user's perspective on PPP chat files? If I were a noob, where would I go to connect to a peer listed under /etc/ppp/peers/ ? |
| 00:05.05 | vty | lol ok |
| 00:05.07 | vty | thanks a lot man |
| 00:05.11 | Diopter | Np, good luck |
| 00:06.49 | isaac_ | How can I add windows 7 to grub, again? |
| 00:07.00 | Diopter | update-grub, so the os-prober finds it |
| 00:07.30 | isaac_ | Ah, thanks |
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| 00:07.55 | vty | man grubs come a long way |
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| 00:08.18 | Dulak | grub is practically it's own OS. |
| 00:08.27 | vty | oh the olden years of fixing my mbr and grub to dualboot windows XP and slackware |
| 00:08.34 | vty | or whatever distro i was using back the |
| 00:08.58 | cyanboy | Hi, I am planning on dualbooting windows and debian on my laptop. I tried to do the partitioning in the debian install, but it failed. Can I use the windows partition manager to allocate space for debian? |
| 00:09.28 | Diopter | cyanboy: You can, yes. I presume you had issues with resizing NTFS from Linux, so... |
| 00:09.53 | cyanboy | The partition process just aborted in the debian install |
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| 00:09.56 | Diopter | cyanboy: Go to Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, and there's a disk manager in there |
| 00:10.08 | Diopter | You can online-resize your NTFS partition from there to make free space |
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| 00:12.12 | cyanboy | Thanks, will try again now. |
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| 00:16.56 | isaac_ | Does anyone know why H264 10 bit video looks pixelated and distorted? I've tried VLC and the default movie player in Debian. |
| 00:18.56 | Diopter | isaac_: Have an example file you could share? |
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| 00:23.40 | isaac_ | Yeah, let me edit to be shorter though since it's pretty large as is, so 1 sec Diopter |
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| 00:25.09 | Diopter | Cool |
| 00:31.01 | sbyrne | My system (wheezy) usually (but not always) hangs on boot at "waiting for dev to be fully populated" when I set the BIOS to use the discreet nvidia card instead of the onboard one. When it does not hang it works fine with the binary nvidia driver. It does this even without the binary driver installed. Should I submit a bug? Is it likely to be kernel or udev? |
| 00:33.14 | isaac_ | I can't figure out how to edit it to be shorter, Diopter. Is a 336 MB download too large? |
| 00:34.29 | Diopter | isaac_: Nah, that's fine. I've got decent speed. Can start streaming it, too |
| 00:35.20 | isaac_ | Ok, cool. http://www.animetake.com/tasogare-otome-x-amnesia-episode-1/ "[UTW-Underwater]_Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia_-_01_[720p][900E8404].mkv" The torrent will probably go faster than the DDLs |
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| 00:36.19 | isaac_ | You can see what I'm talking about within the first 14 seconds. |
| 00:39.57 | isaac_ | And thanks for helping, I've been trying for ages to get it, rather than have to boot to windows every time. |
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| 00:40.16 | tsccof | hello, anyone having dmenu-related issues on sid? |
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| 00:41.27 | Diopter | isaac_: On mplayer2, looks perfectly fine |
| 00:41.39 | isaac_ | Oh? |
| 00:41.49 | Diopter | Yep, flawless |
| 00:41.59 | Diopter | I just did the DDL, got the link, mplayer <paste> |
| 00:42.00 | isaac_ | Know where I can download and install it easily? |
| 00:42.09 | Diopter | It's the mplayer2 package |
| 00:42.42 | isaac_ | So it should be in synaptic package manager? |
| 00:42.57 | Diopter | Yes |
| 00:43.26 | isaac_ | It's not :/ |
| 00:43.32 | Diopter | apt-get install mplayer2 |
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| 00:44.29 | isaac_ | "E: Unable to locate package mplayer2" |
| 00:44.53 | Diopter | Neat. And you're on debian? |
| 00:44.59 | isaac_ | Yeah |
| 00:45.11 | Diopter | It's totally in testing/main... |
| 00:45.33 | isaac_ | In software sources, I have all 4 checkboxes checked |
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| 00:45.55 | Diopter | Looks like it's not in squeeze |
| 00:46.05 | Diopter | But regardless |
| 00:46.12 | Diopter | mplayer2 = mplayer insofar as codecs, for the most part |
| 00:46.15 | Diopter | and VLC should be working as well |
| 00:46.39 | Diopter | Maybe you're using an acceleration library and it's acting up on your card/video drivers |
| 00:47.09 | isaac_ | How would I check? |
| 00:47.14 | isaac_ | It did the same in ubuntu, too. |
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| 00:47.57 | isaac_ | Here's how it looks, btw http://i.imgur.com/joyzU.png |
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| 00:48.52 | Diopter | That's kind of terrible. |
| 00:49.09 | Diopter | Hrm... wonder if your display is using a low color depth |
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| 00:50.03 | isaac_ | It usually only looks that bad when there's a scene with mostly a solid color, btw |
| 00:50.30 | isaac_ | When there's multiple colors scattered about, it looks a lot better. If it's all a single color it really messes up. |
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| 00:53.07 | isaac_ | Oh, and maybe it could be of some use Diopter, in ubuntu the videos would play great by using ffplay in terminal. Only there's no gui, and I couldn't get subs to work so it wasn't a real fix. In debian though, it plays the same using ffplay as any other player |
| 00:53.26 | Diopter | isaac_: Try checking xdpyinfo, maybe grep "depth", see what depth of root window is |
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| 00:54.02 | Diopter | Maybe you should try gmplayer |
| 00:54.09 | maher | what's a good program to write / scribble on top of a pdf file? |
| 00:54.09 | Diopter | though VLC has self-contained codecs... |
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| 00:55.24 | isaac_ | how do I do the grep depth thing? And what am I checking for in xdpyinfo? |
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| 00:57.23 | Diopter | isaac_: xdpyinfo | grep depth, etc |
| 00:57.38 | Diopter | isaac_: Was just curious if your color depth was high enough |
| 00:58.04 | isaac_ | Well I typed in xdpyinfo into terminal and it gave a lot of text back |
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| 00:58.37 | isaac_ | At the very bottom is "visual id: 0x74 class: truecolor depth: 32 planes available colormap entries: 256 per subfield etc" |
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| 00:59.27 | isaac_ | I typed grep depth, and it just has a blinking cursor now |
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| 01:00.00 | Diopter | The | is important :P |
| 01:00.05 | Diopter | Hit Control-C to kill grep |
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| 01:00.53 | isaac_ | olol. |
| 01:01.10 | isaac_ | Ok, it returned at the very bottom depth:32 planes |
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| 01:01.28 | isaac_ | It repeats that for a while up, and then starts saying depth: 24 planes |
| 01:01.51 | isaac_ | ah, and |
| 01:01.55 | isaac_ | Depth of root window: 24 planes |
| 01:02.16 | Diopter | So you're probably fine |
| 01:02.19 | Diopter | On that front |
| 01:02.25 | push | im trying to do a regular apt-get update/upgrade, but on the upgrade i get a message of unmet depencecies (mysql-server-5.1 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.1 (= 5.1.49-3) but 5.1.61-0+squeeze1 is installed) which doesnt make a lot of sense to me since ive always only used apt for management, any ideas? |
| 01:02.34 | push | its prohibitying me from updating anything at all |
| 01:02.49 | isaac_ | Could linux just not like my graphics card or something? |
| 01:02.54 | Diopter | isaac_: Possibly |
| 01:03.28 | isaac_ | It's a nvidia GT 240m |
| 01:03.50 | isaac_ | and I'm on a laptop, btw. cpu is an i7 1.6 ghz though so, it should be fast enough, I think |
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| 01:06.24 | Diopter | Are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
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| 01:07.20 | karlpinc | !tell push about bat |
| 01:07.48 | isaac_ | Yeah. |
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| 01:10.44 | isaac_ | So, should I give up, and just go back to using windows? |
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| 01:11.12 | Diopter | isaac_: Nah. Uhm... sec |
| 01:11.31 | Diopter | isaac_: Try installing the vdpau drivers |
| 01:11.34 | push | karlpinc ok thanks |
| 01:11.38 | push | here it is: http://pastebin.com/d3Auev6a |
| 01:12.02 | push | i did run -f install but it gives errors concerned with downgrading a version and i dont really want to do that if possible anyway |
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| 01:12.59 | Diopter | push: Did you run apt-get update recently? |
| 01:13.44 | push | yes, just before the upgrade |
| 01:13.46 | isaac_ | I think I have it. In package manager I have "nvidia-vdpau-driver" installed, but not "vdpau-va-driver" is this right? |
| 01:14.02 | Diopter | isaac_: Yeah |
| 01:15.01 | push | its very confusing that its depending on a lower version than is installed, when it only came from apt-get to begin with |
| 01:15.30 | push | and ive been updating for a good 2 years, no problems |
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| 01:15.56 | Diopter | push: Neat. So, you got the newer version of mysql-server-core-5.1 from security updates |
| 01:16.37 | Diopter | push: But seemingly mysql-server-5.1 depends on a specific version, and isn't the security one. |
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| 01:16.45 | push | hmm i see |
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| 01:17.58 | Diopter | push: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1 show 5.1.61-0+squeeze1 also? |
| 01:19.00 | push | this is the policy: http://pastebin.com/D5f149HZ |
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| 01:20.26 | Diopter | push: Cool. So all the mysql-server components apparently have updates from security |
| 01:20.57 | Diopter | push: What happens when you apt-get -f install? |
| 01:20.59 | push | but the squeeze/main is stuck on earlier one |
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| 01:21.28 | push | well at first i didnt realize but i searched and there were a bunch of errors related to downgrading |
| 01:21.41 | push | i can paste it but im curious if removing security will fix it |
| 01:21.45 | push | or maybe there is another solution |
| 01:21.51 | Diopter | There is another solution |
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| 01:22.01 | Diopter | So, what does apt-get -f install say? |
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| 01:22.47 | push | http://pastebin.com/iKjSCub0 |
| 01:23.18 | KSHawkEye | How can apt-get think that my current linux headers should be autoremoved? if I autoremove I lose a lot of needed packages |
| 01:23.53 | Diopter | KSHawkEye: They were probably automatically installed by some other package you removed. |
| 01:24.03 | Diopter | KSHawkEye: Just mark them as not auto |
| 01:24.14 | Diopter | push: Is mysql running currently? |
| 01:24.16 | push | Diopter oops seems like i forgot to delete the apt-cache stuff |
| 01:24.20 | push | Diopter yes |
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| 01:25.41 | push | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 01:25.43 | KSHawkEye | Diopter: Can I mark all of them as not auto? |
| 01:25.45 | push | well thats encouraging |
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| 01:26.23 | KSHawkEye | Shouldn't apt-get check if any other packages needs the installed packages? The linux headers are used by... well... everything? |
| 01:27.22 | Diopter | KSHawkEye: Actually, very few things use the kernel headers |
| 01:27.24 | alfplayer | KSHawkEye: why do you say that? I don't think so |
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| 01:28.44 | push | Diopter i stopped mysql and it installed, doing upgrade now, but i think there are some larger issues here |
| 01:28.51 | push | thanks though, helped! |
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| 01:29.15 | Diopter | Perhaps so. |
| 01:29.19 | marcm | how do I use Debian 6 backports? Why do I put into sources.list? Thank you |
| 01:29.40 | isaac_ | No other ideas on getting hte videos to play right, Diopter ? |
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| 01:30.10 | KSHawkEye | So it's safe to remove? |
| 01:30.11 | Diopter | marcm: Go to the backports page, read the instructions |
| 01:30.19 | Diopter | KSHawkEye: Yes, that's how you got into this position |
| 01:30.27 | Diopter | KSHawkEye: It was auto-installed, and you removed what needed it |
| 01:31.05 | Diopter | isaac_: maybe! |
| 01:31.21 | KSHawkEye | Diopter: Understood, thanks |
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| 01:32.29 | Diopter | isaac_: Do you have ffmpeg installed? |
| 01:32.38 | isaac_ | yes |
| 01:33.04 | Diopter | Exciting |
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| 01:33.10 | nimbius | hi debian |
| 01:33.37 | nimbius | im trying to build a package that puts things in /usr/local/ and im having a hard time. how do i invoke fakeroot in the rules file? |
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| 01:34.37 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know of a way to look inside a UPG file (firmware upgrade file)? |
| 01:35.25 | Diopter | isaac_: I'd personally try libavcodec vs ffmpeg, mplayer vs vlc, try tweaking post-processing on playback, try turning any hardware accel off, maybe disable compositing if you have it, etc |
| 01:35.34 | KSHawkEye | nimbius: configuring without a prefix, and then sudo make install |
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| 01:37.17 | isaac_ | Yeah, I've tried tweaking all of the settings in the video players. In ubuntu I had mplayer2 downloaded and set SMplayer to use that |
| 01:37.23 | isaac_ | everything wasn't very effective |
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| 01:37.38 | isaac_ | Except for using ffplay in the terminal in ubuntu |
| 01:37.41 | isaac_ | that played the video fine. |
| 01:37.46 | Diopter | Mm |
| 01:37.56 | isaac_ | ffplay in Debian looks the same as any other video player now, though. |
| 01:38.01 | Diopter | isaac_: Maybe it's a video driver issue, since you're on Stable |
| 01:38.10 | Diopter | I presume your Ubuntu was pretty new |
| 01:38.16 | isaac_ | It was 11.04 |
| 01:38.24 | isaac_ | So, not the newest. |
| 01:38.43 | isaac_ | Newest is 12.04 appearantly. |
| 01:38.57 | Diopter | Yeah, though not released yet |
| 01:39.02 | Diopter | They're in final beta still |
| 01:39.04 | mhall119 | tommorrow |
| 01:39.12 | Diopter | mhall119: orly? Has that been announced? |
| 01:39.21 | mhall119 | it's been scheduled for a while |
| 01:39.37 | mhall119 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule |
| 01:39.44 | Diopter | fun. I didn't bother checking |
| 01:40.11 | isaac_ | How do I get the newest Debian, then? |
| 01:40.42 | isaac_ | I used the debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso to install this |
| 01:40.52 | nimbius | hrm. |
| 01:40.54 | SeedGame | I have 8 user in debian and each user are with disk quota and seprate files and each user have torrend clent,ftp,http explorer, rapid leech and many other stuff and I want to limit the bandwidth/user like each user can use 1tb bandwidth not more then that but i dont want to limit speeds but just bandwidth |
| 01:41.08 | Diopter | isaac_: Well, you could dist-upgrade to testing/wheezy easily |
| 01:41.14 | nimbius | so in the rules i have a mkdir statement...how do i get it to build the deb if i dont build the package as root? |
| 01:41.29 | isaac_ | Ok, how do I do that? |
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| 01:42.51 | Diopter | isaac_: Just replace "squeeze" with "wheezy" or "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:43.08 | Diopter | isaac_: And you can comment/remove the security lines, or volatile, or backports |
| 01:43.33 | zymurgy | Don't bother with Ubuntu. It's worthless. So, by the way, is Debian. Byebye. |
| 01:43.36 | peterrooney | SeedGame: you just gave me a very neat (and possibly crazy) idea.... one moment and I'll see if it works |
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| 01:43.43 | Diopter | lolz |
| 01:43.49 | SeedGame | Lmao |
| 01:44.27 | isaac_ | So in sources.list just find and replace squeeze with wheezy? |
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| 01:45.23 | Diopter | SeedGame: Limiting bandwidth per-user is difficult in a few ways. You can try to use the 'owner' module in iptables and match on uid/gid |
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| 01:46.17 | Diopter | SeedGame: Maybe connmark it, use rate limiting on matches, etc |
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| 01:46.33 | Diopter | isaac_: Yes. Or with 'testing'. They're not exactly the same |
| 01:47.07 | SeedGame | Diopter, can u expand? Please |
| 01:47.15 | isaac_ | Oh, which is better? |
| 01:47.39 | isaac_ | Nvm, I already put wheezy, so I'll just try that for now. |
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| 01:48.02 | Diopter | SeedGame: Are you familiar with iptables? what tables exist, how chains work, how to use modules for adding features? |
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| 01:48.34 | SeedGame | I m just know what are iptables |
| 01:48.38 | Diopter | isaac_: Well, wheezy is the release target. It's a specific release, like squeeze. There's also the sliding targets, stable/testing/unstable/experimental, etc |
| 01:48.49 | isaac_ | I see |
| 01:49.08 | isaac_ | And thanks for all the help |
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| 01:49.43 | Diopter | isaac_: When the release that's the current testing target is getting close to release, it's going to get frozen to reduce change, while testing itself will keep rolling. |
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| 01:50.19 | Diopter | isaac_: Tracking 'wheezy' will stop getting as many updates once it starts freezing |
| 01:50.34 | isaac_ | Oh, I see. Well I'll try wheezy for now, just to see if it'll fix the videos |
| 01:51.01 | isaac_ | If not I'll give up and just use windows for videos. |
| 01:51.27 | bellman | when i plug in a USB flash drive (that works on other boxes) into my wheezy box it turns on for a couple seconds then turns off... nothing in lsusb, nothing written to /var/log ..any ideas? |
| 01:52.50 | isaac_ | Thanks for helping, this is gonna take over half an hour, so I'll tell you later if it worked |
| 01:52.51 | Diopter | isaac_: Well, I'm on testing/wheezy, and mplayer2 + ffmpeg And VLC played 10-bit fine |
| 01:52.58 | Diopter | isaac_: Sure thing. Good luck |
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| 01:54.51 | oninoshiko | does the 6.0.4 netinstall disk not support vmxnet3 devices? |
| 01:54.51 | SeedGame | Diopter, are u doing that stuff? |
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| 01:55.31 | Diopter | SeedGame: I don't run any boxes that have end-users who need limits, at this time. |
| 01:55.54 | Diopter | SeedGame: But I do low-level linux networking for a living, so I'm familiar with the basic stategies of network quotas on linux |
| 01:56.04 | Diopter | SeedGame: You can approach it with iptables or tc, basically. |
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| 01:56.49 | oninoshiko | ok, that was a dumb question. I'm looking at it, so it doesn't... What is the reccomended nic for a vmware enviroement? |
| 01:57.00 | karlpinc | isaac_: Also, wheezy has no security support. See the <moving target> factoid. |
| 01:57.16 | karlpinc | !tell isaac_ about overview |
| 01:57.27 | karlpinc | isaac_: See the wiki page. |
| 01:57.48 | LoneShadow | Hi, I am trying to setup a PXE installation of Debian Squeeze. Can someone point me to the right steps? I am not looking for a netboot, but rather to extract the iso image, and have the PXE/boot settings to point to my extracted nfs location. I have it working for all other distros, except for Debian |
| 01:58.09 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: See the install guide. It has pxeboot instructions. |
| 01:58.21 | isaac_ | Oh I see |
| 01:58.30 | Diopter | There is that as well, yes. |
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| 01:58.53 | Diopter | But you're putting it on a laptop that probably doesn't host many if any services |
| 01:59.04 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: The install guide talks about netboot, it does not talk about installing over nfs |
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| 01:59.55 | sbyrne | Where is $BROWSER set? |
| 02:00.02 | vonderplanetz | A recent apt-get upgrade has left me with some sound/alsa issues. It often stops working, or boots up with this problem. I've pasted the output when I try to use mplayer here (it also happens when trying to listen to flash videos so does not seem specific to mplayer). http://paste.lisp.org/display/129160 one relevant error is: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1293:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' failed (-16): Device or |
| 02:00.24 | bwulf | sbyrne: update-alternatives --config --x-www-browser |
| 02:00.36 | LoneShadow | The way I have configured all other distros is, that I launch the installation CD/DVDs images over nfs, I am not able to do the same from debian |
| 02:00.37 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: Are you using pulseaudio? |
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| 02:00.57 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Section 4.5. |
| 02:01.05 | vonderplanetz | Diopter: I have it installed |
| 02:01.31 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: Looks like what's happening is you don't have the pulse alsa plugin as your default |
| 02:01.41 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: So when pulse runs, you can't open alsa devices directly |
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| 02:02.02 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Ah, that's not pxeboot. You'd want the hard drive install method (only instead of a local drive you'd use an nfs mounted drive). That's a different section. |
| 02:02.04 | sbyrne | bwulf: But how does it get in my env? It is not in my shell startup script or /etc/profile |
| 02:02.29 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: I tried those, when I select the debian, it will ask for the mirror site. It is assuming either i will netboot or install over the internet |
| 02:02.30 | vonderplanetz | Diopter: how can I resolve this? |
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| 02:03.54 | LoneShadow | For example to get ubuntu installed: APPEND boot=casper netboot=nfs nfsroot=10.10.1.10:/srv/install/Ubuntu/9.10/i386 initrd=Ubuntu/9.10/i386/initrd.lz |
| 02:04.00 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Section 4.4, probably 4.4.2. |
| 02:04.04 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: Do you have /etc/asound.conf, ~/.asoundrc or /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf ? |
| 02:04.19 | LoneShadow | I cannot do the same for debian, there is section which talks about passing nfs path for cd/dvd image location |
| 02:04.39 | LoneShadow | I meant there is no section describing the same for debian |
| 02:04.41 | bwulf | sbyrne: i am not sure how to go further than that, but when you call a browser from a GUI program that seems to be the one it goes for |
| 02:04.57 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: All the install methods assume a net connection. Of course if you download the whole (8?) dvd set then you never need to use the internet, execpt that you do to get security updates. |
| 02:05.22 | vonderplanetz | Diopter: no on all counts |
| 02:06.02 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: Are you on squeeze? Using any backports? |
| 02:06.14 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: The pxeboot method does what you're doing, only first it loads the kernel over tftp. I think. I forget the details. |
| 02:06.25 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: missing security updates is fine, these are for lab machines where we don't have external internet connection |
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| 02:06.53 | vonderplanetz | Diopter: I'm on squeeze and don't have any backports as I'm aware |
| 02:07.08 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: If you omit the pxeboot stuff you could get the installer up, but where would the initial kernel come from? |
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| 02:08.06 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: Cool. Looks like the pulse-alsa.conf file is only in wheezy+. You need something similar. |
| 02:08.09 | Diopter | Sec |
| 02:08.26 | karlpinc | isaac_: I don't know what your problem is, but it may be codecs, in which case you need to use dmm, or follow the other recommendations of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware because debian does not distribute software in volation of the law. |
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| 02:09.13 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: Usually all the other distros either provide the PXE NFS installation kernel images either in the iso or online, but I am not able to find a suitable set of images for debian |
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| 02:09.14 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Don't you need pxe to get the initial kernel up? |
| 02:09.33 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Section 4.5. There's a link to a tarball. |
| 02:10.02 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: The netboot images. what did you say the problem with them was? |
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| 02:10.28 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: You may want to preseed, to pre-answer the questions about networking and mirrors and so forth. |
| 02:10.48 | LoneShadow | Those are the netboot images karlpinc, that won't start the installation like the way we get from a CD or DVD, instead it will ask for a mirror path for installation over the net |
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| 02:11.28 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: Thats what I am looking for, how to hint the kernel about my nfs path for installation, all other distros support it, except for debian |
| 02:12.15 | Diopter | vonderplanetz: http://dpaste.org/HVGMJ/ throw that in /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc in your home |
| 02:12.42 | isaac_ | Ah, thanks, karlpinc |
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| 02:14.03 | vonderplanetz | Diopter: now those errors have gone away, but I still hear no audio. When I tried to raise volume in mplayer I do get an error: [AO_ALSA] Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0. |
| 02:14.37 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: How about following section 4.4.2 and copying the cd image into your nfs root and then using the netboot kernel in the tarballs to nfs mount that image? |
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| 02:16.46 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Or go one better and just use the syntax from the netboot kernel syslinux to run the kernel that's on the cd (although that might not have nfs built-in). |
| 02:16.52 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: I have done all of those, but how do I hint the netboot images my nfs path? For Example For Ubuntu, I give the nfs path as follows"APPEND boot=casper netboot=nfs nfsroot=10.10.1.10:/srv/install/Ubuntu/9.10/i386 initrd=Ubuntu/9.10/i386/initrd.lz" |
| 02:17.33 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: You could also ask in irc.debian.net #debian-boot. That's where the installer devs live. Ask them to support what you want with specific instructions. |
| 02:17.56 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: Thanks, will check there |
| 02:18.05 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: It's just syslinux. There's examples of config files in the tarball. |
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| 02:19.03 | LoneShadow | That room is empty :) |
| 02:19.21 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Their mailing list might be a better choice. |
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| 02:21.23 | LoneShadow | OK will contact them. It is odd that every other OS has this support documented online. Can't seem to find any user guide from others for debian |
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| 02:23.01 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Most people will want to install over the net to minimize data transfer, or have a local repository and just point to that. |
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| 02:25.28 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Another way to look at your problem is how to setup a repo given the cd/dvd image. Then you use that as the mirror to install from. I'm sure there's a way to tell apt to use nfs instaead of http.... |
| 02:26.40 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: This is a guide which talks about having various distros working except for debian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro#Putting_it_All_Together |
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| 02:30.27 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: I'd use the netboot and when asked for a mirror (or pre-answering the question with pre-seeding) I'd give it a file:/// url. Then just make sure when pxebooting that the mounted image contains the copy of the cd content. |
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| 02:31.16 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: In other words, add to the untarred netboot tarball that you use as nfs root the content of the cd. That should work fine. |
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| 02:31.45 | LoneShadow | I tried the nfsroot option it did not work. will try it once more |
| 02:32.00 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: And if you like, file a bug report against the installer to ask for specific instructions. |
| 02:32.02 | oninoshiko | ?! does the netinstall disk detect ANY nic I can use in VMWare? |
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| 02:33.06 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: You want to get the netboot working, exactly as documented. _Then_ keep the current root, but add content to the mounted image. When asked for a mirror supply the file: url that points to the added content. Make sense? |
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| 02:33.37 | karlpinc | oninoshiko: You might try the wiki. |
| 02:33.43 | karlpinc | !tell oninoshiko about vmware |
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| 02:33.55 | sklav | if use a similar approach for usb boot disk |
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| 02:34.12 | sklav | if should be I |
| 02:34.27 | oninoshiko | im not asking about running vmware on debian. I'm asking about running debian on vmware |
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| 02:35.10 | karlpinc | oninoshiko: I've not looked at the referenced wiki page. |
| 02:35.22 | sklav | oninoshiko, it should work i have done it in the past |
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| 02:35.59 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: ? |
| 02:36.23 | oninoshiko | sklav: any idea what NICs work? so far Ive tried vmxnet3 and e1000 in for my vm. the netinstall disk doesn't see either. |
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| 02:36.51 | sklav | vmware uses generic card for linux in general unless stuff has changed drastically just keep in mind debian uses only free drivers |
| 02:36.57 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: See "man 5 sources.list" for the url syntax. |
| 02:37.01 | sklav | what options do you have? |
| 02:37.45 | karlpinc | oninoshiko: You could try the unoffical install image with non-free firmware built-in. |
| 02:38.01 | sklav | that would do the trick |
| 02:38.07 | oninoshiko | vlance, vmxnet, Flexable, E1000, vmxnet2, vmxnet3 |
| 02:38.09 | karlpinc | !tell oninoshiko about installer firmware |
| 02:38.22 | karlpinc | !tell oninoshiko about firmware images |
| 02:38.47 | oninoshiko | karlpinc: ok, thanks! I'll dry that |
| 02:38.52 | oninoshiko | try* |
| 02:39.02 | sklav | oninoshiko, it should work |
| 02:39.11 | sklav | with the nonfree drivers |
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| 02:42.34 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: Sorry I was checking out some online guide: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478, people have simillar questions as mine in the comments section below |
| 02:43.06 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: I will check out section 5 of source.list man page today, thanks, will give the file url method a try |
| 02:43.15 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Get my point above? Once you've the installer runnnig you just point it to your archive with file:/// |
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| 02:44.43 | LoneShadow | Will try that, I hope the file:/// will work over nfs, since the target machine will be booted in the early installation screen asking for mirror location |
| 02:45.40 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: IIRC the pxeboot nfs mounts the fs it runs, so it should be mounted. |
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| 02:48.17 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: so I may have to pass the IP address like file://10.0.0.1:/path_to_debian_extracted_iso/ |
| 02:48.44 | LoneShadow | or just file://path_to_debian_extracted_iso/ |
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| 02:52.55 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: I think I'm wrong, in that the nfs image is not mounted. You'd need to modify the syslinux boot config to add a root= that does a nfs mount.... (And then you'd not put the ip into the file url because it'd be mounted already.) |
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| 02:53.31 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: You need a installer kernel/initramfs that does nfs mounting. Lemmie look. |
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| 02:54.54 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Maybe the netboot kernel already does... So.... |
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| 02:56.50 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: In the netinstall tarball, in amd64/boot_screens/txt.cfg the "append" line would have to have a root= that does an nfs mount. (Following me?) |
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| 02:58.55 | anton01 | i ran pipe(fd) and put info into the buffer, connected the pipe to the stdin of another program (sort) and it worked. But for some reason any other program (tried grep, ls, find, and gcc) just ignores that there's any info in the buffer and pretends like stdin has nothing. Why would that be? |
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| 03:00.14 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: got another pointer from #linux, http://mindref.blogspot.in/2011/03/debian-diskless.html |
| 03:00.24 | LoneShadow | will see if this method will work as well |
| 03:01.02 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/nfsroot.txt That should tell you want to add to the "append=" line. |
| 03:01.10 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: s/want/what/ |
| 03:03.15 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: I'd say try adding "root=/dev/nfs |
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| 03:04.37 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: " (oops about the \n) and "nfsroot=[<server-ip>:]<root-dir>[,<nfs-options>]" to the append= stuff . Then the pxebooted kernel should nfs mount your cd content and you can do a file:///whatever/path/to/content when answering the mirror question. |
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| 03:07.29 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Although now that I look at nfsroot.gz more it gives you ways to just use the kernel/initramfs on the cd image directly and not use the netboot stuff for more than an example and a source for the syslinux boot loader. |
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| 03:11.08 | karlpinc | In other words, all the installer kernels should support nfs (section 2.4.6) so all you need is to have pxe load syslinux and configure syslinux to boot the kernel with the right command line. (for some value of "all"). It seems easier to just use the supplied netinstall stuff and setup your own archive over ftp or http than to try to mess with getting nfs to work. |
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| 03:11.37 | gjergj | hello |
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| 03:11.47 | craigevil | !pxe |
| 03:11.48 | dpkg | Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>. |
| 03:12.17 | Tunix2 | When trying to install Debian testing my screen hangs on "Detect network hardware" |
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| 03:12.44 | Tunix2 | I am using this CD: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 03:12.56 | bom_dia | hello |
| 03:13.14 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Probably because your nic requires non-free firmware. Oh. Well it could be because you're using the development version of the installer. Why are you doing this? |
| 03:13.46 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: I wanted the latest testing version that I could install over the network |
| 03:13.58 | gjergj | i have one external usb hard-disk whitch was crypted and password protected with truecrypt, and i accidentally deleted the partition of it. :) is recovery possible? |
| 03:14.04 | karlpinc | Tunix2: The recommended way to install testing is to install stable and upgrade. |
| 03:14.53 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: Oh i see. Where can I grab the latest stable network installer CD |
| 03:15.08 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about netinstall |
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| 03:15.58 | karlpinc | Tunix2: There's a 32and64bit version right on the debian home page. We recommend the netinstall so you download only what you actually install. |
| 03:15.59 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: thank you. But you dont think ill encounter the same instll isues with stable? |
| 03:16.12 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Possibly, if it's the firmware |
| 03:16.25 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about installer firmware |
| 03:16.39 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: let me yank my PCI-E wireless card and try to reinstall. I want to use my onboard ethernet anyway |
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| 03:16.54 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about firmware images |
| 03:17.13 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Plenty of wired cards need non-free firmware to work. |
| 03:17.19 | ludlow | hello. |
| 03:17.27 | karlpinc | Tunix2: And having the wireless there shouldn't matter. |
| 03:17.35 | cheese1756 | Hi ludlow |
| 03:17.37 | ludlow | Could someone help me with disabling gdm3 so I can install my Nvidia drivers? |
| 03:17.50 | ludlow | cheese1756, howdy |
| 03:18.16 | karlpinc | ludlow: You'd want to install non-free nvida drivers the debian way, not from nvidia directly. |
| 03:18.20 | cheese1756 | ludlow: You don't need to disable it |
| 03:18.26 | cheese1756 | Let me find a link |
| 03:18.41 | ludlow | karlpinc, where can I find the non-free drivers? |
| 03:18.42 | karlpinc | !tell ludlow about nvidia |
| 03:19.00 | karlpinc | ludlow: I'm not sure which of those factoids to follow, or what's on the wiki. |
| 03:19.02 | cheese1756 | ludlow: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers |
| 03:19.19 | ludlow | ok thaks |
| 03:19.29 | karlpinc | !tell ludlow about msg the bot |
| 03:19.41 | karlpinc | ludlow: ^^ to follow the bot's factoids |
| 03:19.49 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: so this disk is essentially the disk I was trying to use but with the non-free firmware I need? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 03:19.55 | ludlow | ok ready now. thanks guys |
| 03:20.16 | karlpinc | Tunix2: yes. But it's the installer that is known to work and installs stable. |
| 03:20.40 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: 6.0.4 is stable? |
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| 03:20.48 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Yes. |
| 03:21.00 | Tunix2 | I see. thank you. One more CD-R to kill now lol |
| 03:21.13 | karlpinc | Tunix2: You can use a usb key too. |
| 03:21.20 | karlpinc | Tunix2: You've a reason for running testing? |
| 03:21.33 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: I have never been able to boot this desktop from media on a flash drive |
| 03:21.45 | karlpinc | Tunix2: That'd be a problem then. :) |
| 03:21.53 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: No i guess no real legitimate reason. I just wanted something that was most up to date |
| 03:22.03 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about sns |
| 03:22.11 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about moving target |
| 03:22.31 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Testing also has no security support. But many run it, so whatever you want. |
| 03:22.32 | Tunix2 | Theres words for the things im feeling? |
| 03:22.43 | Tunix2 | haha thats awesome. but yes it makes sense i should jhust stick with stable |
| 03:23.02 | karlpinc | Tunix2: See also the url in <overview> on the wiki. |
| 03:23.07 | karlpinc | !tell Tunix2 about overview |
| 03:23.19 | Tunix2 | karlpinc: should i still use this minimal net install cd then? this thing is very small |
| 03:23.50 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Yes. It has what will definately be installed. Everything else might or might not, and the installer will then download only what you need. |
| 03:24.19 | Tunix2 | I guess my bash history will have a ton of aapt-get commands in it |
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| 03:24.42 | ludlow | so far so good. :) |
| 03:24.53 | karlpinc | Tunix2: Not necessairly. You might spend some time downloading during installation, but less than you would if you downloaded whole (dvds) of images. |
| 03:25.43 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: sorry I missed the last part, so are you saying by using /dev/nfs, and nfsroot should work with the CD image kernels, and I can pass the file URI? |
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| 03:27.42 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: I'm saying you could pxeboot and tftp the syslinux boot loader/configs and have that tftp the cd image kernels (and perhaps initramfs) and the syslinux config would supply the requsite kernel parameters (root= nfsroot= ip=) so that the installer kernel will mount your image as root. |
| 03:28.00 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Then you just use a file:/// url to point to the right spot in the fs when asked for a mirror. |
| 03:28.23 | lcc | hi. is there a high-quality gui or non-gui equalizer for debian? I know about alsamixer. |
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| 03:30.01 | oninoshiko | the net install disk just doesnt like vmware |
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| 03:30.15 | LoneShadow | OK will try those |
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| 03:30.22 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: (I think i've got the boot process right.) In any case, pxe aside, syslinux supplies the kernel parameters and the kernel can then mount a disk as /. Of course I've not tried it. :) |
| 03:30.46 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: Hang on..... |
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| 03:32.16 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: You might look further into the preseed docs and see if you can't just tell it to mount something that's not the root fs. All you need is the repo (cd content) mounted when the mirror question is asked. So perhaps it's simpler to use the netboot stuff and do an additional nfs mount on, say, /mnt/. |
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| 03:32.51 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: I don't know whether that's possible or if you have to have an entire root fs. |
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| 03:34.17 | ludlow | cheese1756, that worked! thanks guys |
| 03:34.33 | cheese1756 | ludlow: No problem. Enjoy your drivers |
| 03:34.50 | ludlow | cheese1756, :) |
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| 03:35.06 | ludlow | cheese1756, howdy about installing FF? |
| 03:35.24 | cheese1756 | Iceweasel is Firefox |
| 03:35.33 | cheese1756 | Just under a different name |
| 03:35.48 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: http://kleeschulte.blogspot.in/2008/04/how-to-take-bootable-cdrom-image-and.html |
| 03:36.08 | ludlow | cheese1756, but not the most recent version? |
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| 03:36.34 | cheese1756 | ludlow: What Debian version are you running? |
| 03:36.47 | ludlow | 6.04? |
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| 03:37.15 | cheese1756 | Honestly, Testing should be stable enough |
| 03:37.18 | cheese1756 | You might want to upgrade to that |
| 03:37.30 | cheese1756 | As long as you don't need rock-solid stability, it should be fine |
| 03:37.42 | ludlow | cheese1756, which version? |
| 03:37.45 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/pxe-boot-cd-dvd-iso-images-597172/ is discussing my problem, some have suggested to load grub from PXE, and make grub do a nfs boot of the iso |
| 03:38.11 | cheese1756 | I think 10.0.3 is in Iceweasel |
| 03:38.19 | cheese1756 | *is the version |
| 03:38.23 | cheese1756 | For Iceweasel, at least |
| 03:38.32 | cheese1756 | Though I haven't run apt-get update in about a week or two |
| 03:38.42 | ludlow | I'm actually using 3.5 iceweseal |
| 03:39.25 | cheese1756 | Yeah, you might want to switch to Testing |
| 03:39.29 | cheese1756 | It should be much more current |
| 03:39.52 | karlpinc | LoneShadow: That last sounds like a good approach. Let me look at the url. |
| 03:39.54 | cheese1756 | Assuming you don't need the rock-solid stability of stable |
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| 03:40.37 | LoneShadow | karlpinc: I need to head out, thanks for your help. Will let you know tomorrow if I get this to work |
| 03:40.43 | karlpinc | ludlow: Or you could use backports and get both newer software and stable. |
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| 03:40.54 | karlpinc | !tell ludlow about backports |
| 03:40.59 | ludlow | karlpinc, ok :) |
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| 03:41.00 | karlpinc | !tell ludlow about overview |
| 03:41.04 | cheese1756 | ^ Probably the better option |
| 03:41.11 | cheese1756 | Using the backports |
| 03:41.25 | dvs | !tell ludlow about mdn |
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| 03:43.15 | zeref | hey guys, having trouble installing gconf2 keep getting: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gksu.schemas:190: parser error |
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| 03:46.32 | gjergj | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.02 | gjergj | positiv think i remember pass |
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| 03:50.12 | karlpinc | gjergj: If you can recall the password you could try decrypting and then dd-ing the content somewhere so you can try to fsck the fs. (I don't know anything about truecrypt, but that's how you recover a broken filesystem.) |
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| 03:54.33 | gjergj | karlprinc: the bootpartition is deleted and drive crypted sector by sector |
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| 03:55.10 | gjergj | karlprici: so i cant get in contact with truecrypt in drive |
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| 04:01.37 | gjergj | karrlpinc: thnx for responce.. i dont really undertand it but i try 2 learn |
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| 04:13.27 | gjergj | Good morning from Finland |
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| 04:24.13 | mindbender1 | I did "grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and I got 2 drivers for my vga. I can't remember how that happened. Is it really bad thing and how can i get rid of one if it is? |
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| 04:26.24 | gjergj | mind remove firxt xorg |
| 04:27.00 | gjergj | tuto completo and fresh install |
| 04:28.10 | mindbender1 | gjergj: I have vesa and intel installed and my vga is intel so I guess I should remove vesa |
| 04:28.52 | mindbender1 | do you knoww the command to use for that? |
| 04:29.31 | isaac_ | Diopter, what should I have changed the sources.list to? I just find and replaced squeeze with wheezy. apt-get update returns "Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/main/source/Sources.gz " and "Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz" now |
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| 04:29.54 | Diopter | isaac_: Like I said at the time, take out security, take out updates, take out volatile, if you have any of the three |
| 04:30.31 | isaac_ | Ah, ok. Thank you |
| 04:30.38 | Diopter | isaac_: You want just deb http://mirror/debian wheezy main <contrib> <non-free> |
| 04:30.42 | gjergj | apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-vesa/Kalle/Ceppo jne.. |
| 04:30.47 | Diopter | And deb-src if you're feeling frisky, ;P |
| 04:30.54 | gjergj | :) |
| 04:32.23 | mindbender1 | ok |
| 04:32.46 | gjergj | pleasure to serv SIR |
| 04:32.51 | gjergj | :D |
| 04:32.57 | isaac_ | Diopter, I should just add "deb http://mirror/debian wheezy main <contrib> <non-free>" to sources.list, right? |
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| 04:33.11 | mindbender1 | thanks a loy |
| 04:33.16 | mindbender1 | lot |
| 04:34.04 | gjergj | you laughting there |
| 04:34.21 | gjergj | ;D |
| 04:34.32 | Diopter | isaac_: No, you should have had a line that -- after replacing 'squeeze' with 'wheezy' -- says that already. |
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| 04:34.45 | Diopter | isaac_: I'm saying comment/remove the Other repositories in there. |
| 04:35.11 | isaac_ | Ohhh, okay. I did that. |
| 04:35.14 | gjergj | after wheer comes krejzi i heard inside info |
| 04:35.22 | gjergj | after wheezy |
| 04:35.39 | Diopter | isaac_: Cool. So now apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ;P |
| 04:35.41 | isaac_ | mplayer2 should be available now, shouldn't it, Diopter ? |
| 04:35.43 | gjergj | GJREJSI OR KREJZI i dont member |
| 04:36.05 | isaac_ | Ah ok, gotta dist-upgrade again |
| 04:36.05 | Diopter | isaac_: Well, are you upgrading your entire system? To get the newer kernel, newer drivers, newer libraries, newer codecs, etc? |
| 04:36.13 | isaac_ | Yeah |
| 04:36.19 | Diopter | isaac_: Then dist-upgrade first. |
| 04:36.29 | isaac_ | "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-mlt3'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 04:36.29 | isaac_ | " |
| 04:37.21 | Diopter | hrm |
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| 04:38.06 | mindbender1 | I'm getting unsupported PM cap regs version 7 when booting my wheezy/sid box. How can I solve that? |
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| 04:40.48 | gjergj | minbender1 you rebrainwash it |
| 04:41.22 | mindbender1 | gjergj: ? |
| 04:41.33 | gjergj | reinstal |
| 04:41.43 | gjergj | :D |
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| 04:41.57 | mindbender1 | what do I reinstall? |
| 04:42.26 | isaac_ | Diopter, if I go to update manager it asks me "Upgrading may require removal or installation of new packages. Do you want to perform a safe-upgrade, which does not remove packages or install new ones? No, Yes" |
| 04:42.27 | gjergj | that os where is something to solv |
| 04:42.48 | isaac_ | Earlier I clicked no, but got an error so I clicked yes and it did something. If I click yes now, there's nothing. |
| 04:43.17 | isaac_ | If I click no there's a whole bunch and if I click install updates I get "Error message: |
| 04:43.17 | isaac_ | E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.", Diopter |
| 04:43.40 | gjergj | new operating system |
| 04:44.09 | gjergj | "new" and new |
| 04:44.32 | gjergj | and then you format it and reinstall |
| 04:45.45 | gjergj | then format again and go buy extra ram memory |
| 04:45.45 | larrikin_ | mindbender1: you've looked for a kernel that better suits your cpu? |
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| 04:47.01 | mindbender1 | larrikin_: Is there a method of knowing which kernel version will work well with my cpu |
| 04:47.27 | Diopter | isaac_: I am not sure what is wrong thar! What if you try apt-get update && apt-get -f install && apt-get dist-upgrade, from the terminal? |
| 04:47.28 | gjergj | processor cooler and power suplly there may be bakters |
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| 04:47.31 | Diopter | isaac_: Can you pastebin the results? |
| 04:47.41 | gjergj | is good to upgrade |
| 04:47.43 | Diopter | isaac_: Also probably best to pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:47.44 | isaac_ | Diopter, if I go to synaptic package manager and click mark all upgrades, it marks a ton of stuff for removal including gnome and stuff |
| 04:47.47 | isaac_ | Ah hang on I'll do that |
| 04:48.05 | Diopter | isaac_: If it ends up asking you to remove a ton of stuff on the install or upgrade, say no. But paste the list/etc |
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| 04:48.40 | isaac_ | Diopter, how do I make the terminal show everything? |
| 04:48.45 | isaac_ | Like it cuts off after a certain point |
| 04:49.04 | gjergj | mindbender1 mr, you need new powersupply |
| 04:49.46 | gjergj | more watsmore powerhorses |
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| 04:50.42 | Diopter | isaac_: Like, the scrollback doesn't go far enough? Are you using xterm or gnome-terminal or something? |
| 04:51.00 | gjergj | agregat is good choise |
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| 04:51.20 | isaac_ | http://pastebin.com/XXPe3NxH is the pastebin |
| 04:51.34 | isaac_ | Yeah, the scrollback isn't far enough. I think it's just listing a bunch of pacakages though |
| 04:51.44 | gjergj | pc + agregat is like driving harley davidson |
| 04:51.54 | isaac_ | I'm using applications > accessories > terminal |
| 04:52.03 | Diopter | That'd be gnome-terminal. |
| 04:52.13 | gjergj | and lun devian on it ;) |
| 04:52.55 | Diopter | isaac_: Interesting. So... maybe try apt-get upgrade python-mlt3, by itself? |
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| 04:53.38 | isaac_ | It lists a bunch of packages and then says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 782 not upgraded." |
| 04:54.15 | isaac_ | dist-upgrade still fails |
| 04:55.26 | Diopter | Neat. So, looks like python-mlt3 is only a dep of openshot |
| 04:55.27 | gjergj | isaac_ turn sytem immidietly off and take the electic ccable off and go in shop and buy agregat and gaz and try again |
| 04:55.36 | Diopter | Maybe you should remove openshot and python-mlt3 and try again. |
| 04:56.07 | isaac_ | python-mlt3 isn't even installed in synaptic package manager |
| 04:56.18 | isaac_ | Removing openshot though |
| 04:56.31 | Diopter | That could be part of the problem ;P |
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| 04:56.42 | isaac_ | Well when I go to install it, it tries to remove a ton of packages |
| 04:56.47 | isaac_ | including stuff like gnome and whatnot |
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| 04:58.03 | isaac_ | Oh cool, I think apt-get dist-upgrade is working now |
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| 04:58.12 | Diopter | isaac_: Sweet. |
| 04:58.31 | gjergj | bravo |
| 04:58.59 | gjergj | lets party tonight for that |
| 04:59.28 | gjergj | and if you can tell 2 us how u did it |
| 05:00.25 | isaac_ | Removing openshot fixed it |
| 05:00.30 | isaac_ | ...so far lol |
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| 05:06.26 | oninoshiko | it seems this is a fixed bug in kernel-wedge 2.79 |
| 05:08.09 | isaac_ | Diopter, " A new version of configuration file /etc/default/rcS is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified. │ |
| 05:08.09 | isaac_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.10 | isaac_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.31 | isaac_ | woops, watned that to be all one line... But, install the package maintainer's version, I assume? |
| 05:08.44 | Diopter | isaac_: For anything you haven't modified yourself, and know why you made modifications, you probably want the package version |
| 05:08.56 | isaac_ | Thanks |
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| 05:11.18 | oninoshiko | looks like squeeze is using kernel-wedge 2.74, if I'm reading this correctly. |
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| 05:13.06 | mynameisdeleted | I got 2 brand new 3TB drives to make a raid1 array out of |
| 05:13.09 | mynameisdeleted | top performance specs |
| 05:13.22 | mynameisdeleted | only problem is after usign mdadm to create the array I cant make a partition cover the array as root |
| 05:13.42 | mynameisdeleted | what is best partition table type for 2TB+ size? |
| 05:13.44 | oninoshiko | wheezy has 2.83 though... so, I suppose I have a question again. If I install a machine based on wheezy(testing), when the next stable comes out can I upgrade to the next stable? |
| 05:13.53 | Diopter | mynameisdeleted: GPT is probably your only option. |
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| 05:14.28 | mynameisdeleted | I tried msdos, bsd, sun and none could do it |
| 05:14.32 | Diopter | mynameisdeleted: gpt |
| 05:14.34 | mynameisdeleted | but thanks...gpt is waht I wanted |
| 05:14.48 | Diopter | mynameisdeleted: Are you booting from the RAID? |
| 05:14.55 | mynameisdeleted | hoping to |
| 05:15.01 | mynameisdeleted | I'm booting form my old disk now |
| 05:15.12 | mynameisdeleted | I plan to transfer all my files |
| 05:15.21 | mynameisdeleted | and go to new one that isnt failing and is redundant |
| 05:15.24 | mynameisdeleted | and is faster |
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| 05:15.37 | Diopter | You're going to have to do some magic to make grub2 boot off of gpt, and the approaches are different depending on if you're doing an EFI boot or not |
| 05:15.53 | mynameisdeleted | not efi |
| 05:16.22 | Diopter | Cool, then you'll need to make a boot partition that has the bios_grub flag (type code EF02) |
| 05:16.34 | Diopter | Because grub normally embeds itself after the MBR, but there's no space for that in GPT |
| 05:16.53 | Diopter | So it needs a thin partition to put the stage2 loader into |
| 05:17.06 | Diopter | <= 100MB is more than sufficient |
| 05:17.29 | Diopter | So the tools that can talk GPT are (g)parted, gdisk and cgdisk |
| 05:17.48 | mynameisdeleted | I have bios raid1 and raid5 support... to load grub from |
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| 05:18.02 | mynameisdeleted | so if grub understands raid.... it can read the kernel and initrd and then initrd has raid programmed |
| 05:18.10 | mynameisdeleted | that was plan |
| 05:18.30 | mynameisdeleted | so 1 partition only |
| 05:19.11 | Diopter | GRUB2 understands damn near everything. md RAID, LVM, GPT, EFI |
| 05:19.38 | Diopter | But you can't just fdisk yourself some gpt and grub-install and magic happens |
| 05:19.52 | Diopter | fdisk won't even talk gpt. Nor will cfdisk. Or some other utilities. |
| 05:19.53 | oninoshiko | ofcourse, it's also larger then some operating systems. |
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| 05:25.26 | gjergj | http://aijaa.com/0095310079403 I have one external usb hard-drive whitch was crypted, hided and password protected with truecrypt, |
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| 05:30.18 | Diopter | gjergj: Try testdisk |
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| 05:42.37 | applebloom | okay which iso do i get for an intel core i7 64 bit? |
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| 05:43.02 | kbar | the 64 bit iso |
| 05:43.14 | applebloom | :/ |
| 05:43.23 | applebloom | there is none named "64 bit" |
| 05:43.26 | Diopter | amd64 |
| 05:43.38 | Diopter | Or, x86_64, if it's a choice between that and x86 |
| 05:43.38 | applebloom | thought amd was for amd chips |
| 05:43.42 | kbar | no |
| 05:43.43 | Diopter | Nope. |
| 05:43.47 | kbar | its just called amd64 |
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| 05:43.59 | applebloom | how many disks is the dvd iso? |
| 05:44.08 | applebloom | i have 1 4GB dvd |
| 05:44.12 | kbar | you should get the netinstall probably |
| 05:44.18 | kbar | if you have wired internet |
| 05:44.22 | Diopter | netinstall ftw |
| 05:44.23 | applebloom | i do hav ewired |
| 05:44.28 | applebloom | wired* |
| 05:44.30 | applebloom | and it's pretty fast |
| 05:44.35 | kbar | ok so yeah get the netinstall |
| 05:45.03 | applebloom | hokie dokie |
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| 05:45.12 | applebloom | can i connect to irc somehow while installing it? |
| 05:45.56 | Diopter | Yesish. It uses a busybox environment, so you're not able to easily apt-get install irssi or such |
| 05:46.06 | Diopter | But you could ssh to a box that has an IRC client |
| 05:46.42 | applebloom | ok |
| 05:48.04 | isaac_ | :O |
| 05:48.08 | isaac_ | Diopter, !! I love you! |
| 05:48.11 | isaac_ | It works! |
| 05:49.16 | isaac_ | Thanks a ton. Seriously, you deserve a medal. |
| 05:49.26 | Diopter | haha |
| 05:49.33 | Diopter | Glad to have helped! |
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| 06:02.34 | derebel | anyone know of a package or script to take images from a webcam (already installed and functional) every x seconds, or maybe one with an fps setting that might accept a decimal |
| 06:04.08 | Diopter | derebel: mencoder might take decimal fps |
| 06:04.16 | Diopter | And it can capture from V4L devices |
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| 06:05.20 | derebel | Diopter, ty, i'll give it a shot, mencoder didnt even cross my mind, if i can get that part scripted i could have an embedded linux device that does time lapse videos, for like $50 to build lol |
| 06:05.41 | Diopter | Yep! |
| 06:05.48 | Diopter | Sounds fun. |
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| 06:14.53 | slikts | what are the official drugs for debian users? |
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| 06:16.45 | firebalrog | express node |
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| 06:17.34 | firebalrog | gives the ultimate high |
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| 06:21.09 | Isaac___ | Uhm, |
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| 06:21.29 | ChrisH | slikts: VI and SED |
| 06:21.39 | Isaac___ | Debian starts up in a terminal now |
| 06:22.28 | Isaac___ | How do I first, get my desktop back, and second, make it start with it? Thank you |
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| 06:23.45 | Isaac___ | Diopter: it boots tojust a terminal now, please help |
| 06:23.49 | slikts | Isaac___: what do you need the desktop for? |
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| 06:24.33 | Isaac___ | To do things :/ |
| 06:24.44 | slikts | you can do things even better without a desktop |
| 06:24.54 | slikts | use tmux, mc, elinks etc |
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| 06:25.13 | Isaac___ | Can I watch video? |
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| 06:25.43 | geoffr | Hi, we have ~1500 servers upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze in the last few months, since the upgrade we're now getting about 3 servers a night freezing (unresponsive on the console & logging just stops). All these boxes are running the default 32 bit squeeze kernel and software raid with a pretty standard LAMP installation on that. We have munin graphing on each which shows no spikes in cpu, memory, io or disk activity around the time of the freeze |
| 06:25.47 | slikts | Isaac___: look at the bright side, videos are suboptimal anyway, because it's information stacked in time |
| 06:25.51 | Eleven_Cool | If the debian repo doesn't have a new enough version, what would be the consequences or drawbacks of me uninstalling the repo version and compile from source myself? |
| 06:26.17 | Isaac___ | Lol, slikts |
| 06:26.27 | slikts | Isaac___: debian has decided you don't need a desktop, it's not a good idea to go against it |
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| 06:26.45 | Eleven_Cool | Basically, does using the Debian repo give me any benefits other than easy updates? |
| 06:26.56 | geoffr | security |
| 06:27.15 | slikts | Eleven_Cool: you get a baby seal of approval |
| 06:27.18 | Isaac___ | Well I had a desktop up until I restarted, I should still have it, but I don't know the command to run it, so help, please? |
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| 06:29.39 | kbar | 1500 wow |
| 06:29.43 | slikts | Isaac___: try startx |
| 06:29.45 | kbar | thats pretty hard core |
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| 06:30.28 | Isaac___ | No screens found fatal error |
| 06:30.42 | slikts | Isaac___: oh no, you've made it angry! |
| 06:30.49 | Isaac___ | Ye |
| 06:30.49 | geoffr | thank goodness for puppet :) |
| 06:30.51 | slikts | I told you it's a bad idea |
| 06:31.03 | ChrisH | geoffr: The systems not hanging are running amd64 Kernel? I need to upgrade my homeserver which is i386, SW Raid, encryption and LVM. |
| 06:31.20 | slikts | Isaac___: try /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 06:31.32 | BotaniCar | can you point me to a article on expanding my LVM ? TIA |
| 06:31.36 | slikts | also, do these things as root |
| 06:31.37 | Isaac___ | I remember it saying it was gonna do something to nvidia |
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| 06:31.54 | slikts | do something bad probably |
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| 06:32.26 | slikts | anyway, your PC is now a server, deal with it |
| 06:32.30 | geoffr | ChrisH: I only have maybe around 100 servers running the amd64 kernel and most of those are virtual and very few use software raid so not a fair comparison to say that the problem isn't there on amd64 :-S |
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| 06:32.50 | Isaac___ | No such file or directory |
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| 06:33.07 | slikts | then I don't know |
| 06:33.23 | Isaac___ | It said it was installing a different one from what I had :/ |
| 06:33.42 | Isaac___ | Or something like that |
| 06:33.46 | ChrisH | geoffr: OK. Sadly I have no idea on how-to nail that down on Linux. (Sun HW with Solaris OS I would recommend to create a dump to have it analysed) |
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| 06:34.03 | slikts | Isaac___: it always starts with them saying things |
| 06:34.22 | Isaac___ | Damn. |
| 06:34.32 | Isaac___ | I was so happy, too |
| 06:34.37 | slikts | I use it as a cue to take my meds when the pc starts talking |
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| 06:35.09 | geoffr | ChrisH: thanks, yeah hard to get it to dump due to the "frozeness" :) |
| 06:36.33 | Isaac___ | Thanks though, slikts |
| 06:37.11 | slikts | no, thank Linus |
| 06:37.58 | Isaac___ | How can I view a text file with terminal? |
| 06:38.04 | slikts | use vim/cat/less |
| 06:38.08 | slikts | or more |
| 06:38.13 | slikts | or mc |
| 06:38.25 | Isaac___ | Or, what's this called? I don't think it's terminal right? |
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| 06:39.26 | slikts | it's a teletype writer |
| 06:39.51 | slikts | actually it's a terminal |
| 06:41.53 | Isaac___ | Ok, IM fairly sure it said it got a different nvidia kernel |
| 06:42.10 | Isaac___ | And here it says failed to load nvidia kernel module |
| 06:42.23 | Isaac___ | So, how do I get the old one back? |
| 06:42.46 | Isaac___ | Or one at all. |
| 06:43.16 | ChrisH | Isaac___: depends on what you did before... maybe booting the old kernel is an option |
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| 06:44.10 | Isaac___ | I did apt-get dist-update before |
| 06:45.23 | Isaac___ | I finished updating to wheezy from uh the stable one |
| 06:45.46 | slikts | why is it called wheezy |
| 06:46.16 | slikts | wheezy is when a chain smoking couch potato tries to jog |
| 06:46.44 | krisfremen | because it makes wheezy noises all the time? |
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| 06:48.29 | KSHawkEye | Does anyone know how I can boot into a non gui console on debian by default, but keep the gui installed? |
| 06:48.36 | slikts | hmm, that explains the squeezy noises |
| 06:48.37 | KSHawkEye | Not the recovery console |
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| 06:49.20 | slikts | KSHawkEye: ask Isaac___, it seems he has it set up like that |
| 06:49.34 | Zeroedout | KSHawkEye: just disable gdm/kdm or whatever your display manager is from starting. ii's like any other service in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 06:49.55 | Isaac___ | Lol, slikts |
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| 06:50.29 | slikts | also apparently wheezy is slang if weed |
| 06:50.49 | slikts | *for |
| 06:51.53 | Isaac___ | How do I shut down from terminal? |
| 06:52.11 | slikts | shutdown -p now |
| 06:52.59 | slikts | then it will start shouting |
| 06:53.12 | KSHawkEye | Zeroedout: What is the command again to make it not autoload again? |
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| 06:54.03 | Isaac___ | Thank you |
| 06:54.30 | slikts | goodbye old friend |
| 06:54.55 | Isaac___ | Ok, when I boot |
| 06:55.51 | Isaac___ | Grub has 2 new options debian, or debian-pae along with recovery modes of both |
| 06:56.17 | Isaac___ | What's the pae one? |
| 06:56.25 | slikts | pae is memory extensions |
| 06:56.42 | slikts | it means you can have 3gb+ RAM in x86 systems |
| 06:56.59 | Isaac___ | Wait I tried the one that doesn't have pae and it didn't work |
| 06:57.05 | Zeroedout | KSHawkEye: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-manage-services-with-update-rc.d |
| 06:57.26 | slikts | have you considered using mint or ubuntu? |
| 06:57.58 | Isaac___ | I switched from Ubuntu |
| 06:57.59 | slikts | straight debian seems best left for servers and such |
| 06:58.29 | Isaac___ | I just wanted videos to play correctly |
| 06:58.37 | pndemc_ | what's a good web host stack for debian?, I'm pretty nooby at this |
| 06:58.39 | slikts | that's so sad |
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| 06:59.20 | slikts | I use ubuntu with unity even |
| 06:59.35 | slikts | some people in my office switched to mint but went back to ubuntu for some reason |
| 06:59.51 | slikts | everything in debian stable is really old |
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| 07:00.21 | slikts | one person here uses debian as desktop, and he has ancient firefox 3.5… |
| 07:00.29 | BotaniCar | i have a server serving mails to users, i'd like to give them posibility of shared calendars that they could fetch with outlook, can you suggest a software for it ? |
| 07:01.04 | slikts | BotaniCar: google apps |
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| 07:01.29 | slikts | or exchange |
| 07:01.53 | Isaac___ | Ah, well maybe I'll just switch to mint, then. I don't like unity at all and is the main reason I switched |
| 07:02.21 | slikts | you'll probably save yourself some headache |
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| 07:02.26 | derebel | how could i specify mencoder to split an output after x seconds or x file size? im using it to capture a webcam feed and want it in multiple files |
| 07:02.33 | BotaniCar | slikts: we just migrated from exchange, and company policy demands we host a calendar app |
| 07:02.46 | slikts | BotaniCar: company police? ow |
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| 07:04.11 | KSHawkEye | Zeroedout: Thanks a lot, that did the trick |
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| 07:05.05 | slikts | BotaniCar: but seriously, I'm not sure there is anything free and popular for that |
| 07:05.30 | BotaniCar | no need for it to be popular .) sofar i found http://squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=105 |
| 07:05.39 | BotaniCar | but dont see any user testemony to back it up |
| 07:05.56 | slikts | *testimony, from the word testes |
| 07:06.18 | BotaniCar | pardon my english |
| 07:06.35 | ChrisH | BotaniCar: We did evalaute several in our company and finally Zimbra made it. Its not free but its working with all needed clients like Android, iOS, Win*, MacOS, Linux* |
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| 07:07.22 | BotaniCar | thank you ChrisH |
| 07:08.09 | Zeroedout | KSHawkEye: no worries |
| 07:08.21 | sterios | Hello everybody |
| 07:08.37 | slikts | no hello |
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| 07:09.21 | Isaac___ | I got it,I think. |
| 07:09.42 | Isaac___ | Or broke it more. |
| 07:10.24 | Isaac___ | Probably the latter |
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| 07:13.59 | Isaac___ | :/ now it's some kind of weird desktop like Ubuntu unity lol |
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| 07:16.11 | isaac_ | How did this happen D: |
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| 07:18.02 | slikts | magic |
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| 07:18.07 | slikts | I mean aliens |
| 07:18.39 | isaac_ | This is worst than terminal |
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| 07:18.45 | sterios | Does Debian have a official forum? |
| 07:18.53 | slikts | no forum |
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| 07:19.16 | sterios | only mail lists? |
| 07:19.27 | sterios | Or? |
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| 07:25.45 | slikts | sterios: have you tried GOOGLE? |
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| 07:26.09 | isaac_ | what's a google? |
| 07:26.24 | nsadmin | googles wear goggles but they don't see far |
| 07:26.37 | slikts | the googles, they do nothing |
| 07:26.44 | isaac_ | is it like my jeeves? |
| 07:26.54 | nsadmin | bluejeeves? |
| 07:26.55 | slikts | it's like altavista |
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| 07:27.39 | sterios | slikts, not yet |
| 07:27.51 | slikts | sterios: shame |
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| 07:28.30 | sterios | slikts, partly |
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| 07:28.49 | slikts | you dishonor your ancestors |
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| 07:28.59 | nsadmin | searching is your number one skill for finding information... |
| 07:30.02 | sterios | Why I must search in Google, when I may ask in irc channel, where I get answer faster? |
| 07:30.40 | nsadmin | every time you do, you owe a sixpack or a dinner or maybe a few ounces of gold |
| 07:30.57 | slikts | also because, for instance, now you got the wrong answer |
| 07:31.06 | slikts | since there actually is a forum |
| 07:31.22 | slikts | and finding it would mean googling for "debian forums", where it's the first result |
| 07:31.40 | derebel | man i have a lot of beers coming to me |
| 07:31.48 | sterios | I can search, but now, I don't want open browser, google etc.. |
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| 07:32.23 | isaac_ | Clicking sure is hard, guise. |
| 07:32.24 | slikts | normally people have their browser open, and googling is just ctrl+e away |
| 07:33.13 | salvin | sterios: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+forums |
| 07:33.55 | mynameisdeleted | good graphics card, good raided high performance root and good powersupply to make it all reliable make a desktop workstation-like in a way |
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| 07:33.57 | sterios | And if I don't have normal computer? |
| 07:34.24 | nsadmin | sterios, doesn't matter what you have... by the way what the hell do you want |
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| 07:35.15 | sterios | In general, all right |
| 07:35.42 | sterios | I agree with you |
| 07:35.58 | nsadmin | oh good. so what you want is? |
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| 07:36.42 | salvin | nsadmin: a new car |
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| 07:37.00 | galexydeb | in which repository putty exist such that I can run apt-get install putty successfully ? |
| 07:37.16 | sterios | Initially, I wanted to know: "Does Debian have a official forum?" |
| 07:37.29 | pcormack | galexydeb: putty is a windows client |
| 07:37.33 | slikts | galexydeb: isn't puttty windows software? |
| 07:37.38 | nsadmin | http://lists.debian.org |
| 07:37.57 | nsadmin | what's a puttty windows? |
| 07:37.59 | galexydeb | pcormack: no, this url shows that it can be on linux : http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Serial_terminal/Linux/Programs |
| 07:38.02 | sterios | Because earlier, Google showed me many results with different Debian forums |
| 07:38.34 | galexydeb | there must be a way |
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| 07:38.47 | nsadmin | sterios, so: until you go look at the site I posted, please don't comment |
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| 07:39.27 | salvin | galexydeb: : it's in debian |
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| 07:40.07 | sterios | nsadmin, I have already open your url and very grateful to you for your help |
| 07:40.31 | sterios | And sorry for the stupid questions |
| 07:40.34 | galexydeb | salvin: yes, I also want it for debian but apt-get install putty do not work |
| 07:41.00 | nsadmin | ok, good... so now, if you wish to ask further about it, look over the page and ask q new question which is -informed- by what you see ther |
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| 07:41.38 | salvin | galexydeb: pastebin its output |
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| 07:42.14 | nsadmin | galexydeb, there are soooo many different choices for what you're asking for, putty is one of many many |
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| 07:42.54 | galexydeb | nsadmin: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/putty but what is the repository ? |
| 07:43.18 | galexydeb | salvin : output is : unable to locate package putty |
| 07:43.31 | nsadmin | there is more than just putty that can do what you want... putty is something of a degenerate case |
| 07:43.46 | galexydeb | so what you suggest instead ? |
| 07:44.24 | nsadmin | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 07:44.42 | galexydeb | putty has a lot of options specially using a socks proxy for "every" connection independently |
| 07:44.51 | galexydeb | which I require |
| 07:45.10 | Ch4rAss | is it possible to have debian server version with no gui and watch videos and listen music using mplayer? Is there some recipe available? I can't find anything |
| 07:45.33 | nsadmin | , versions putty |
| 07:45.34 | judd | Package: putty on i386 -- lenny: 0.60-3; squeeze: 0.60+2010-02-20-1; sid: 0.62-6; wheezy: 0.62-6 |
| 07:45.39 | salvin | galexydeb: putty is in the main repositories |
| 07:45.41 | galexydeb | nsadmin: I mean, I want to connect to different servers each one via an independent socks proxy not a shared one |
| 07:45.47 | sterios | http://paste.debian.net/165359/ |
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| 07:45.56 | galexydeb | salvin : you sure ? |
| 07:45.56 | nsadmin | ok, if it's giving you an error, something is wrong |
| 07:45.59 | Phil-Work | Ch4rAss, you intend to use a remote X server? |
| 07:46.11 | salvin | galexydeb: yes |
| 07:46.12 | nsadmin | galexydeb, absolutely. |
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| 07:46.48 | alak_ | hey, was hoping anyone here active seems #mysql is inactive |
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| 07:47.00 | alak_ | hello, i have a .sql dump that i am trying to import and when i try it to do it via mysql on console or phpmyadmin it just "freezes" |
| 07:47.00 | Ch4rAss | Phil-Work: I would like to use it as file server at my house, but I would like to watch videos directly on this pc. |
| 07:47.07 | alak_ | .sql file only contains lines such as UPDATE nommev_content SET title='Riigireetmine' WHERE old_id='122' AND catid>'2'; |
| 07:47.07 | alak_ | 10:40 alak_ • am i missing some parameters? |
| 07:47.44 | Phil-Work | Ch4rAss, so Debian is the "file server" and "this pc" is what? |
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| 07:48.13 | nsadmin | alak_, I'm not into mysql... |
| 07:48.40 | Ch4rAss | Phil-Work: I mean, that I would like to watch videos directly on that server. |
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| 07:48.44 | galexydeb | salvin, nsadmin: would you please tell me what is wrong in my repositoires list ? I use apt-get update then apt-get install putty but I got error ---> http://pastebin.com/wbPrGR73 |
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| 07:49.05 | Phil-Work | Ch4rAss, ok. I'd just install xserver and something light such as fluxbox |
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| 07:49.48 | Ch4rAss | Phil-Work: ok, thanks. I will check it. |
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| 07:50.01 | nsadmin | galexydeb, please use http://gist.github.com/ as pastebin, I'm tired of pastebin.com crashing my browser |
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| 07:52.04 | galexydeb | nsadmin : https://gist.github.com/2497301 |
| 07:52.07 | pcormack | galexydeb: looks like you do not have the repo in your sources |
| 07:52.09 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 07:52.21 | pcormack | galexydeb: my line looks like "deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 07:52.55 | nsadmin | yeah, add that line |
| 07:53.17 | nsadmin | also comment out the cdrom line (line 5) |
| 07:54.21 | galexydeb | nsadmin, pcormack: thanks it worked |
| 07:55.14 | nsadmin | well I guess you don't have to comment it out, but it |
| 07:55.21 | nsadmin | is somewhat outdated |
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| 07:56.26 | Ch4rAss | Phil-Work: thanks, that's exactly what I want :) |
| 07:56.36 | Phil-Work | :) |
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| 07:58.12 | orl | Hi! |
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| 08:00.03 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 08:00.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:02.42 | orl | Due to a bug on grub2 (#669946), apt complains because the postinst of the new kernel (and of the former ones being cleaned) returns errors. Still, I'd like to install a new package (k3b), but when I try, it always stop on that grub2 postinst error, and k3b never is installed in the end. How can I install k3b, as much as possible without using dpkg straightly (due to the number of dependencies for k3b) |
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| 08:04.22 | nsadmin | hmm,,, normally packaging bugs would be taken care of on debian stable... or is that what you're running? |
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| 08:04.37 | orl | nsadmin: I'm running SID |
| 08:04.54 | themill | orl: I'm not understanding what you're doing on that box. What are you doing for /dev ? |
| 08:05.01 | orl | nothing |
| 08:05.14 | orl | it's a bug that already occurred on several versions of grub2 before |
| 08:06.23 | themill | orl: how is /dev created and managed on that box? |
| 08:06.33 | orl | themill: http://pastebin.com/YvwdbC65 |
| 08:06.45 | orl | I don't know how is /dev created, actually |
| 08:06.55 | orl | managed through fstab, I suppose, concerning the disks |
| 08:07.33 | themill | is that the output of "mount"? |
| 08:07.54 | orl | themill: yes |
| 08:08.37 | themill | why are there twice as many entries there as the /proc/mounts in your bug report? |
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| 08:10.26 | orl | themill: couldn't tell |
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| 08:12.11 | orl | themill: actually : mount | wc -l = 22 / less /proc/mounts |wc -l = 24 |
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| 08:13.28 | orl | themill: perhaps a matter of day, my girlfriend and I did use quite a bit thie machine since I post the bug report, we might have used removable media and so on, and I've ran jackd since, also |
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| 08:13.49 | nsadmin | see if wc -l /proc/mounts gives different results than less /proc/mounts |wc -l |
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| 08:14.21 | orl | nsadmin: the same |
| 08:14.33 | themill | orl: what does "grub-probe --target=device /boot" say? |
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| 08:15.02 | orl | themill: grub-probe : erreur : cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?). |
| 08:15.09 | orl | that was the bug is about |
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| 08:15.28 | themill | orl: yep, but this at lest narrows it down to exactly which step and where is failing |
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| 08:15.49 | orl | yes |
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| 08:15.58 | orl | I've described it in the answer I've made to the maintainer |
| 08:16.27 | orl | actually, it's a quite known bug (at least coming back regularly): #550704 542165 588467 |
| 08:16.30 | nsadmin | a description is an interpretation of an output which needs to be exposed for its own sake |
| 08:16.31 | themill | well.. sort of. That's the same error message but from a different command |
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| 08:17.31 | orl | nsadmin: sorry, I've pasted it in the answer I've made to the maintainer (my english is quite poor, sorry) |
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| 08:17.54 | orl | themill: sort of, yes |
| 08:19.56 | nsadmin | your english is good... what's happening in the communication (at least I think so) is sometimes items are missing |
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| 08:20.15 | themill | orl: do you know what version of grub you updated from and to? (dpkg's log would tell you) |
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| 08:20.46 | orl | 2012-04-21 14:34:20 upgrade grub2:amd64 1.99-12 1.99-21 |
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| 08:20.53 | orl | themill: 2012-04-21 14:34:20 upgrade grub2:amd64 1.99-12 1.99-21 |
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| 08:22.19 | nsadmin | why does it ping timeout a bunch of people at once? |
| 08:22.22 | orl | themill: from 1.99-12 to 1.99-21 |
| 08:22.27 | pndemc_ | flood |
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| 08:22.55 | orl | themill: sorry for the repetitions, the flood black just owned me! |
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| 08:23.02 | orl | s/black/block |
| 08:23.04 | themill | yeah, no worries. |
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| 08:24.06 | pndemc_ | flooder is back ^^ |
| 08:24.20 | nsadmin | orl, all you have to do is keep talking/chatting with people in english... especially on technical subjects... you will get the hang of english (which is NOT easy) very quickly |
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| 08:24.30 | nsadmin | mostly you're doing really good |
| 08:24.52 | orl | nsadmin: I do, but I'm not an informatic techncian, and sometimes miss the "precisely fitting" word! |
| 08:25.06 | CissWit | Sorry, i didn't mean to flood the channel |
| 08:25.09 | nsadmin | pndemc_, I just saw 4 changes, two of which were not his doing |
| 08:25.13 | orl | but after something like 9 years using Debian (SID), I must admit I begin to be able to describe what happens to me! ;) |
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| 08:25.49 | zW | Hi. Can someone tell me if iptables have an except option ? |
| 08:26.04 | CissWit | zW what do you mean by "except" ? |
| 08:26.06 | zW | I have a rule : -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 77.241.82.93:25 to capture all outgoing smtp traffic and redirect it to the same smtp server |
| 08:26.17 | themill | orl: there's quite a lot changed between those two versions, but nothing in the relevant code that I can see. I guess you'll also have had a new udev etc too which does rather complicate things. |
| 08:26.21 | orl | nsadmin: actually, concerning /proc/mounts, in the bugreport, it's just like it only listed physical devices mounted, and not "virtual" filesystems, like sysfs, tmpsfs, udev, and so on |
| 08:26.35 | zW | but I want some exceptions, so for example capture everything except if they try to connect to smtp.companyB.be |
| 08:26.45 | zW | it now looks like : |
| 08:26.50 | orl | themill: 2012-04-11 00:35:59 upgrade udev 172-1 175-3.1 |
| 08:26.53 | orl | yeah, I do |
| 08:26.57 | zW | target prot opt source destination |
| 08:26.58 | zW | DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:smtp to:77.241.82.93:25 |
| 08:27.01 | zW | And I want |
| 08:27.07 | zW | target prot opt source destination |
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| 08:27.19 | nsadmin | zw, wait |
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| 08:27.34 | zW | DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere !10.0.0.1/24 tcp dpt:smtp to:77.241.82.93:25 |
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| 08:27.38 | nsadmin | zw, wait |
| 08:27.39 | zW | or something :) |
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| 08:28.53 | CissWit | zW you should create a new chain |
| 08:29.01 | nsadmin | an "except" can be implemented in two rules |
| 08:29.01 | ansgar | zW: You can use the order of the rules for that. |
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| 08:29.30 | nsadmin | you would have the "except" rule first and then the not-except |
| 08:29.30 | CissWit | where you add rules that match the exception you want and you just "RETURN" |
| 08:29.32 | orl | themill, nsadmin: I just realized, even if a new version of grub solves this problem, I won't be able to use apt-get to install it actually, will I? |
| 08:29.33 | zW | mmm thanks already for helping me |
| 08:29.45 | CissWit | and last rule is the nat rule |
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| 08:30.04 | zW | nsadmin: -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 77.241.82.93:25 that is the rule I have now |
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| 08:30.09 | thewanderer1 | To add a panel, right-click on a vacant space on any panel, then choose New Panel -- what if there is no vacant space on the panel? O.o |
| 08:30.18 | thewanderer1 | (yeah, GNOME2) |
| 08:30.18 | zW | So I first set another rule then ? |
| 08:30.20 | CissWit | RETURN make you "jump" to the end of the chain |
| 08:30.26 | themill | orl: a package that is failing configuration can be replaced by a newer version of the same package |
| 08:30.31 | zW | CissWit: I don't understand |
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| 08:31.08 | zW | CissWit: I'm not sure that I understand how to set the except rule |
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| 08:31.16 | orl | themill: oh, ok, cool... Hope this will fix it, then... |
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| 08:33.29 | orl | anyhow, the only solution by now, to install another package, is to use dpkg straightly, right? |
| 08:33.38 | themill | orl: does "grub-probe -v --target=device /boot" produce any extra information? |
| 08:33.40 | nsadmin | zW, first, could you say (not in iptable rule language) what ip range you want to not-except and what range you want to except? |
| 08:34.31 | zW | i want all outgoing traffic to be redirected to 77.241.82.93:25 except if they fo to 217.21.189.65/26 and 178.208.36.1/26 |
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| 08:34.47 | orl | themill: quite, yes: http://pastebin.com/Kyqcm08t |
| 08:37.58 | themill | orl: ok, that looks like handy output -- it shows that it's finding a /dev just not finding something for /boot. |
| 08:37.58 | nsadmin | zW, so if they go -to- 217.21.189.65/26 or 178.208.36.1/26, what do you want to happen? |
| 08:37.58 | orl | themill: OK |
| 08:37.58 | orl | themill: thought /boot is mounted |
| 08:37.58 | orl | /dev/sdb16 on /boot type ext4 (rw,commit=0) |
| 08:37.58 | nsadmin | orl, look over your /etc/fstab to see |
| 08:37.58 | zW | nsadmin: that nothing happends and that they can connect to it |
| 08:37.58 | orl | nsadmin: you want to take a look to my fstab? |
| 08:37.58 | zW | if they connect to anything else I want to redirect to 77.241.82.93:25 |
| 08:37.58 | themill | orl: yeah, I vaguely recall grub not liking 2-digit partition numbers, but I doubt that's still the case in 2012... |
| 08:38.10 | orl | themill: OK |
| 08:38.20 | nsadmin | orl, it seems it is mounted and probably it does get mounted at boot time |
| 08:38.23 | orl | hmmmmmm, there's somthing really wierd |
| 08:38.29 | nsadmin | so no, not right now |
| 08:39.12 | orl | hohohoh |
| 08:39.15 | orl | really weird |
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| 08:39.32 | orl | I do not have any /dev/sdb16 on this machine (didn't think to check this) |
| 08:39.57 | themill | o.0 |
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| 08:40.03 | orl | yeah, find it too! |
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| 08:41.34 | nsadmin | zW, ok, one thing, I thoght the "except" thing would need two rules... but you have -two- different ip ranges, so you would need -three- rules, two for the "except" and then one for what happens otherwise |
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| 08:42.14 | nsadmin | what I'm having trouble with is figuring out what the rule target should be for the "except" rules |
| 08:42.53 | nsadmin | the logic should be: if the "except" rule matches, the third rule should not run |
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| 08:43.37 | orl | themill: to know what UUID a /dev/sdbXX has, I've got to use blkid, right? |
| 08:44.06 | zW | nsadmin: ok but can you give me an example of the except rule ? |
| 08:44.07 | zW | please |
| 08:44.07 | CissWit | zW something like that should work : http://paste.debian.net/hidden/61d8d190/ |
| 08:44.18 | zW | lets see |
| 08:44.41 | nsadmin | so one of the except rules will match if the output is to one of those ip ranges, |
| 08:44.55 | zW | CissWit: thank you ! |
| 08:45.00 | CissWit | i forgot the -j DNAT in last rules |
| 08:45.14 | nsadmin | and the other except rule will match if the output is to the other |
| 08:45.24 | zW | CissWit: the last one or the last 3 ? |
| 08:45.38 | orl | themill: cat /proc/partitions shows a /dev/sdb16 |
| 08:45.45 | CissWit | zW last one |
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| 08:46.06 | orl | themill: fdisk -l does too |
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| 08:46.26 | zW | CissWit: iptables v1.2.11: Couldn't load target `custom_chain':/lib/iptables/libipt_custom_chain.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:46.29 | zW | ? |
| 08:46.50 | CissWit | did you iptables -N custom_chain ? |
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| 08:47.01 | nsadmin | zW, you want these to take effect if the -destination- is to one of those ip ranges? |
| 08:47.17 | zW | CissWit: yes |
| 08:47.59 | zW | nsadmin: ALL outgoing traffic to port 25 needs to go to 77.241.82.93:25, except is its to one of those two ranges |
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| 08:48.24 | nsadmin | and if it is, you want? |
| 08:48.34 | zW | nsadmin: that they just connect to it |
| 08:48.34 | nsadmin | the packets to be dropped |
| 08:48.36 | nsadmin | ? |
| 08:48.51 | zW | nsadmin: that they can connect to the mailservers running on those ranges |
| 08:49.01 | zW | CissWit: it is -t nat -N custom_chain prolly |
| 08:49.02 | nsadmin | ohhh |
| 08:50.06 | nsadmin | I think I understand it now :) |
| 08:50.07 | tremon | zW: why do you need to solve this with ip redirection in the first place? why can't you configure the mailers themselves? |
| 08:50.07 | CissWit | zW yes indeed |
| 08:50.40 | orl | themill, nsadmin: should I try to umount/remount /dev/sdb16? It's a bit tricky /boot contains vmlinuz, not sure the system can go on without it |
| 08:51.19 | nsadmin | orl: do you have a sdb16? did you have to make one on that drive? |
| 08:51.21 | themill | orl: is this partition supposed to exist or not? I'm confused |
| 08:51.39 | CissWit | zW the rules might not be perfect, i don't write iptables rules everyday, but i think you understood the idea |
| 08:51.40 | orl | themill: I would say it's supposed to exist |
| 08:51.51 | orl | it' not listed when using ls /dev/sdb* |
| 08:51.55 | nsadmin | it's difficult to confuse themill :P |
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| 08:52.05 | orl | but it appears in /proc/partitions and in fdisk -l /dev/sdb too |
| 08:52.15 | orl | nsadmin: I accept the challenge!!! |
| 08:52.27 | nsadmin | you already did it :P |
| 08:52.28 | orl | actually, I'm quite confused too |
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| 08:52.52 | orl | nasdmin: it's easier to accept the challenge when you already won it! |
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| 08:53.59 | anton01 | do gcc compile errors get printed to standard error or standard out? |
| 08:54.06 | orl | to explain a bit, this machine is the first one I've installed, some 9 years ago( Debian SID, already), never been reinstalled since, but some disks have been changed, I switched from ext3 to ext4, and finally, came to use RAID-1 devices for several datas |
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| 08:54.35 | nsadmin | anton01, try it and see |
| 08:54.38 | orl | so, I do not really remind everything I've done on this, and actually, last time I changed something in fstab and so on was in 2010, I guess! |
| 08:55.24 | anton01 | nsadmin: im not sure how to tell |
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| 08:57.39 | nsadmin | anton01, put this in hi.c: #include <stdio.h> int main(void) { printf("%s\n", "hi"); return 0; } |
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| 08:59.53 | nsadmin | anton01, then try make hi |
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| 09:00.35 | anton01 | nsadmin: does stderr get printed to the screen in the same way stdout does? |
| 09:00.52 | nsadmin | yes, but to a different iostream |
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| 09:01.25 | anton01 | nsadmin: i dont understand why that code would help me understand |
| 09:01.44 | nsadmin | that won't because it doesn't have an error |
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| 09:01.55 | nsadmin | but now you can introduce one |
| 09:02.04 | nsadmin | did you try make hi? |
| 09:02.39 | anton01 | nsadmin: either way, output of gcc will be printed to the screen and i wont know if its stderr or stdout |
| 09:03.03 | themill | anton01: when you divert output with >, you only divert stdout not stderr |
| 09:03.05 | nsadmin | anton01, we're not there yet |
| 09:03.26 | anton01 | nsadmin: i already have a c file that has an error in it |
| 09:03.30 | orl | themill: doesn't 1> 2> seperate both of them? |
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| 09:03.52 | themill | orl: yes, you can divert both if you do that. > only does stdout |
| 09:03.54 | nsadmin | orl, > is the same as 1> |
| 09:04.01 | orl | yeah |
| 09:04.30 | nsadmin | just like < is the same as 0< |
| 09:04.35 | orl | but actually, if you only do >, then stderr will appear to "std" (I mean not in file), so, it's finally separated |
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| 09:04.42 | orl | isn't it? |
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| 09:05.04 | nsadmin | anton01 what's the name of the file |
| 09:05.09 | anton01 | themill: well i guess it's printing to stderr then |
| 09:05.41 | anton01 | nsadmin: i tried to redirect error with > and didnt get anything so it's stderr |
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| 09:06.08 | nsadmin | ok, good enough |
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| 09:06.15 | Dulak | stderr is 2 so to redirect it you would use 2> |
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| 09:06.31 | Dulak | If it's bash you can redirect both stdin and stderr with :> |
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| 09:06.45 | nsadmin | he's already got what he needs, there's no need to volunteer him more info |
| 09:06.52 | Iridos | orl, no... stderr will still appear on stderr, which goes to your terminal, as it did before |
| 09:07.02 | nsadmin | he's not interested so it's a waste of time |
| 09:07.20 | Dulak | Yes, because more info is bad. Also he said he used > and that it was stderr which was false. |
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| 09:08.04 | nsadmin | Dulak, yes, exactly... and, notice his mind is not listening |
| 09:08.13 | orl | Iridos: yeah, that's what I've called "std" cause I didn't know how to call it. terminal is the right word! |
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| 09:08.54 | Iridos | fairysnuff |
| 09:08.56 | Dulak | Thanks for the advice, I will take it under advisement. |
| 09:09.29 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about measuring the amount of data that XMPP transfers from/to my system? something like "give me the number of bytes that travelled on port 5222"... |
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| 09:10.40 | orl | nsadmin, themill: new confuse challenge? |
| 09:10.40 | Iridos | there's actually something now that can measure per-program traffic |
| 09:10.51 | orl | nasdmin, themill: I just open gparted, to check |
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| 09:10.58 | Iridos | after years and years of lack thereof... but as I didn't need it now, I forgot the name :D |
| 09:11.51 | nsadmin | Dulak, it's easier in person... one thing you could notice is the person's eyes glaze over, you can notice a drop in the energy of the connection, or much more bluntly, you can notice them walk away in the middle of your sentence... |
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| 09:11.59 | Dulak | thewanderer1: iptraf can do that, but it's real-time, not historical |
| 09:12.12 | Iridos | thewanderer1, apt-cache search traffic process |
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| 09:12.21 | weox | hello .. how can i monitor http connection on our machine ?? (i want see detial what send and what get it !!) |
| 09:12.23 | Iridos | thewanderer1, ---> nethogs |
| 09:12.43 | Dulak | nsadmin: I get it, but I will still offer the info just so later I can say 'I told you that already' in a very condescending and self-satisfied way. |
| 09:12.50 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: will that do byte counting, or just realtime? |
| 09:13.08 | tremon | thewanderer1: create an iptables rule for that port, with -j ACCEPT. Then use iptables -v to get statistics on how much packets/bytes matches the rule |
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| 09:13.18 | nsadmin | Dulak, hahaa :) |
| 09:13.24 | tremon | s/matches/matched/ |
| 09:13.25 | Iridos | I have no idea... as I said, I discovered it years after I really wanted to know about a process |
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| 09:13.33 | Iridos | thewanderer1, tias |
| 09:13.33 | thewanderer1 | tremon: hmmm, that could work! |
| 09:13.48 | nsadmin | so it's HIS fault his eyes glazed over :) |
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| 09:14.30 | Dulak | thewanderer1: iptraf counts bytes but you cannot see historical data from before it was running. It accumulates in realtime, but does not keep a history, just a running count from start. |
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| 09:15.29 | orl | /dev/sdb16 has a warning symbol, I read the informations, and finally found this: http://pastebin.com/Wh9j9pGF |
| 09:16.36 | orl | I cannot do an fsck on /dev/sdb16, as it's not existing! |
| 09:16.49 | orl | and actually, gparted tells it's not mounted, thought mount tells it is! |
| 09:17.05 | ChrisH | orl: Even I cannot understand french, but there is no ext3 on sdb16... run blkid /dev/sdb16 and compare to fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 09:17.15 | nsadmin | orl, are you using pastebinit? |
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| 09:19.42 | slikts | what was the name of the manpage that listed the standard directory layout? |
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| 09:20.18 | orl | ChrisH: /dev/sdb16 should be ext4, the french message just tells that it's impossible to read the content of the filesystems, and thus several operations won't be available |
| 09:20.43 | nsadmin | manpage, dunno, but look for Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
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| 09:20.51 | orl | blkid on /dev/sdb16 just doesn't work, there is no sdb16 in /dev (with ls, at least) |
| 09:20.58 | orl | nsadmin: pastebinit? |
| 09:21.40 | ChrisH | orl: if there is no /dev/sdb16 why to you want ot fsck it? check fdisk -l /dev/sdb as I mentioned before |
| 09:22.09 | nsadmin | orl, is pastebinit how you're getting urls to pastebin.com |
| 09:22.10 | nsadmin | ? |
| 09:22.10 | orl | ChrisH: already done (it's a but before in here), /dev/sdb16 appears in fdisk -l /dev/sdb and in /proc/partitions |
| 09:22.23 | orl | mount tells it's mounted on /boot |
| 09:22.30 | orl | ls -l /dev/sdb* doesn't list any sdb16 |
| 09:22.36 | orl | nsadmin: no, I do it by hand |
| 09:22.43 | orl | cause, I couldn't copy/paste from gparted |
| 09:22.50 | orl | I'm quite a raw/rude guy!! ;) |
| 09:23.47 | orl | hmmm, I'm afraid it's much worse than I thought it was! |
| 09:24.21 | tremon | orl: have you pasted cat /proc/partitions , fdisk -l /dev/sdb , cat /proc/mounts ? |
| 09:25.37 | nsadmin | oh ok... it's just that I grow resentful of pastebin.com for at least three reasons |
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| 09:27.11 | orl | tremon: here they are: http://pastebin.com/aC9Zw38j http://pastebin.com/aV1Xxfsm http://pastebin.com/QZq3qpaM http://pastebin.com/szpbWgG3 |
| 09:27.23 | orl | (I already pasted them, but the expire was short, so) |
| 09:27.44 | orl | nsadmin: I can use something else if you prefer |
| 09:27.46 | orl | like #flood |
| 09:27.55 | tremon | orl: or paste.debian.net |
| 09:28.01 | orl | oh, well I just forgot it |
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| 09:29.14 | nsadmin | orl, if I need to see something, I'll ask :) |
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| 09:30.16 | rawhite | hi |
| 09:30.29 | ChrisH | orl: fdisk -l does NOT show a sdb18 |
| 09:30.31 | rawhite | with the default debian installation + ssh i am trying to make a socks5 proxy with ssh |
| 09:30.37 | rawhite | and https pages wont work for some reason |
| 09:31.04 | tremon | orl: mknod /dev/sdb16 b 259 0 ? |
| 09:31.14 | rawhite | is it some ssh restriction that is causing this or what could it be ? testing with another server works well ... this server is a newly installed debian out of the box :) |
| 09:31.34 | ChrisH | orl: sorry, mixed up 16 and 18 |
| 09:31.55 | orl | ChrisH: yeah, it's all about sdb16 |
| 09:32.15 | orl | ChrisH: OK |
| 09:32.18 | tremon | is not really surprised to see undefined behaviour with such a (censored) partition table |
| 09:32.38 | orl | tremon: I've already seen this mknod things, but never was really sure of what it was and how "hazardous" it was |
| 09:32.49 | orl | could you tell me what I'm risking by doing this? |
| 09:33.54 | nsadmin | a nod (err, node) is a tiny "file" that just has a major and a minor number |
| 09:34.11 | tremon | orl: worst case, you risk writing to a different block device, which is why you should verify first that the node represents the correct partition |
| 09:35.18 | orl | OK, I'm going to check how I'm suppose to verify this |
| 09:35.41 | tremon | orl: you verify it by creating the node, and then performing *read* operations on it |
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| 09:35.52 | ChrisH | orl: I assume a reboot is not an option |
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| 09:36.18 | Iridos | tremon, looks like floppy-sized partitions were the goal :) |
| 09:36.57 | orl | ChrisH: don't know |
| 09:37.14 | ChrisH | orl: You should consider using LVM for such a number of partitions. |
| 09:37.33 | orl | I was thinking about it too, but as the problem lies in installing new kernels, and then fallback on grub, I'm a bit afraid of rebooting |
| 09:37.35 | tremon | Iridos: looks like it. Probably never heard of loop devices or (indeed) lvm |
| 09:37.46 | orl | ChrisH: yeah, someone told me that already, but I didn't find the time |
| 09:37.48 | gnugr | orl:also check with "hwinfo --block --short" to see if a diff block exists |
| 09:37.58 | orl | did read a bit about it, but not enough to be in ease with it. |
| 09:38.38 | orl | tremon: ok, making the node is not risky in itself, it's what will follow which is going to be risky? |
| 09:39.01 | ChrisH | orl: The kernel is sometime a bit unwilling in case you changed the partition table and requires a boot then. I would boot if possible. |
| 09:39.35 | orl | gnugr: hwinfo not installed on my machine, and actually, I cannot install any new package until I've fixed this problem |
| 09:39.36 | tremon | orl: creating the node is harmless, just make sure the node is not world-writable (which should be the default) |
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| 09:39.52 | gnugr | orl:ok |
| 09:40.01 | orl | ChrisH: actually, I didn't change the partition table! |
| 09:40.21 | orl | but, OK, I'm going to try the mknod thing, and then, we'll see whether I should reboot |
| 09:40.28 | orl | tremon: OK, come on, let's go! |
| 09:40.56 | orl | tremon: what you mean by world writable is that -m option? |
| 09:41.17 | orl | default seems to be a=rw, so I should change this |
| 09:41.57 | orl | tremon: mknod /dev/sdb16 b 259 0 -m 0755 ? |
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| 09:42.25 | tremon | orl: you want 644, no sense in trying to execute a block device |
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| 09:42.37 | orl | tremon: OK |
| 09:42.49 | orl | I execute your orders, and won't execute any block device, then! ;) |
| 09:42.53 | orl | I'm shivering! |
| 09:43.26 | Iridos | except if it's done something really bad like murder... |
| 09:43.49 | orl | tremon: OK, node written, then, I've got to check the node, coudl you explain a bit more? |
| 09:44.08 | orl | Iridos: I never will execute a block device just because he killed someone, hu! |
| 09:44.12 | orl | I'm vegan! :p |
| 09:44.35 | tremon | orl: blkid /dev/sb16, file -s /dev/sb16 |
| 09:44.43 | Iridos | orl, well done |
| 09:45.12 | orl | tremon: you got it, I guess |
| 09:45.17 | orl | $> blkid /dev/sdb16 |
| 09:45.41 | orl | /dev/sdb16: LABEL="/boot" UUID="ae59bc66-89c4-4448-ba79-40f6a384dc27" TYPE="ext4" |
| 09:46.07 | rdz | hi all. this page says that debian lenny was released in the year 2012: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/ |
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| 09:46.47 | tremon | oops... |
| 09:46.52 | orl | tremon: so once this has been done, what should I do, try to mount it? |
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| 09:47.24 | orl | or try to grub-probe once more? |
| 09:47.48 | tremon | orl: it's already mounted (on /boot), so trying to mount it somewhere else should give you an error. You can still try, to verify that it does |
| 09:48.15 | orl | actually ls /boot lists files |
| 09:48.22 | orl | (I didn't check before, still) |
| 09:48.28 | orl | s/still/though) |
| 09:49.23 | orl | tremon: I'm not sure to have understand, but with my words, I just told the system that there was a partitions at that node? |
| 09:49.43 | orl | Then the system should be OK, now, and I should be able to apt-get -f install, now? |
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| 09:52.03 | raboof | does debian carry a 'plugin.jar' for openjdk? apt-file turns up sun-java6-bin but none of the openjdk packages |
| 09:52.17 | tremon | orl: just remember the unix philosophy "everything is a file". The system (kernel) already knew that the partition existed, as evidenced by /proc/partitions. By creating the node (with correct major/minor number), you created a file entry to interact with that partition. You didn't create it, you didn't tell the kernel about the partition. You simply created an entry to interact with the kernel. That's it, in a nutshell |
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| 09:52.47 | nsadmin | so if everything is a file, is that a good thing for nails? |
| 09:53.15 | tremon | nsadmin: it's good for nails, bad for people who only know hammers |
| 09:53.45 | Iridos | so which file is my ethernet device |
| 09:54.16 | nsadmin | different system... so not -everything- is a file... |
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| 09:54.34 | Iridos | well, everything else is |
| 09:54.38 | orl | tremon: OK, what you've written is very clear |
| 09:54.39 | tremon | Iridos: have you ever wanted to talk to your ethernet device like it's a file? |
| 09:55.11 | orl | tremon: I never want to talk to my ethernet device personnaly |
| 09:55.11 | Iridos | tremon, as much as I wanted to talk to my harddisk like it's a file or to my keyboard or mouse like it's a file... |
| 09:55.35 | orl | so, anywhow, I now can consider part of the problem is solved, and just try to run that postinst once more, and grub should happy |
| 09:55.43 | tremon | Iridos: the closest thing you'll get are the tap interfaces, which allow you to inject packets but not raw data over the line (iirc) |
| 09:55.53 | Iridos | actually strike "harddisk" from that list... that I actually do sometimes |
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| 09:56.55 | tremon | Iridos: you're picking nits, though. Netlink sockets are (can be) files |
| 09:57.01 | Iridos | tremon, I just wanted to point out the slightly baffling fact that - you are right - *everything* on unix is a file, with the sole exception of the ethernet device |
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| 09:57.30 | tremon | :) |
| 09:57.30 | orl | I didn't mean to create a troll, actually! ;) |
| 09:57.44 | Iridos | at least I found it baffling |
| 09:57.53 | Iridos | for the last 15 years or so |
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| 09:58.15 | ironm | hello. It looks like fdisk (wheezy) can't handle drives with higher capacity than 2 TBytes, right? I run RAID5 with six 1TB drives (based on md5adm) |
| 09:58.28 | tremon | orl: yes, you should be fine. But I would still find some opportunity to reboot before performing a dist-upgrade, if that's what you were plannign |
| 09:58.31 | tremon | s/gn/ng/ |
| 09:58.57 | orl | tremon: no, I just would like to get the grub2/grub-pc upgrade to finish properly before rebooting |
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| 09:59.05 | orl | find it safer, isn't it? |
| 09:59.14 | Iridos | ironm, that mainly depends on the filesystem you use |
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| 09:59.34 | tremon | yes, I wouldn't reboot with a grub upgrade half-completed |
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| 09:59.54 | orl | tremon: OK, so I'm going to do that |
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| 10:00.26 | orl | tremon: right, it's working. |
| 10:00.44 | orl | tremon, nasdmin, crisH, themill, all that helped: thanks a lot |
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| 10:01.22 | Iridos | ironm, oh, you mean the fdisk program itself? I never heard of such a limit |
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| 10:01.36 | Iridos | ironm, check the bts for fdisk |
| 10:02.05 | tremon | ironm: it's not fdisk, but the MBR format that can't handle partitions larger than 2TB |
| 10:02.11 | ironm | Iridos, yes .. the fdisk can't handle more than 2TBytes |
| 10:02.20 | bassliner | hi there, can i somehow prevent a file from being changed by dpkg when updating? like, make sure that new files will just get a .debnew trail instead of replacing the current file? |
| 10:02.26 | ironm | I see tremon .. thank you |
| 10:03.15 | tremon | and as it also can't handle start positions above 2TB; theoretically, you should be able to create a 2TB partition that starts at 1.9TB, but it's not guaranteed to work |
| 10:03.37 | orl | OK, guys, I'm going to reboot |
| 10:03.39 | tremon | bassliner: man dpkg, --force-conf* options |
| 10:03.41 | orl | See you soon! |
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| 10:04.04 | bassliner | tremon: thank you |
| 10:04.19 | themill | bassliner: what file is this? |
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| 10:04.30 | themill | Orbitrix: all sorted? excellent. Happy hunting. |
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| 10:05.06 | bassliner | themill: /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.6.0/config/delegates.xml |
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| 10:05.22 | ironm | tremon, In the end I didn't use fdisk and used the whole /dev/md0 device (approx 3.4TB with ext4 or 3.7 TB with xfs) for encryption. |
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| 10:05.37 | tremon | bassliner: that's not a conf file, you won't be able to prevent it being replaced |
| 10:07.14 | themill | bassliner: that's an unusual file to be modifying -- what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 10:08.02 | bassliner | themill: i know what i'm doing here. |
| 10:08.15 | themill | that doesn't answer my question at all |
| 10:09.11 | tremon | ironm: for the future, you'll probably want to look into gpt partitioning |
| 10:09.13 | bassliner | themill: if you really want to know: make sure that just one frame gets decoded, and not many. imagemagick will be used for nothing else, so i don't care on that machine. |
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| 10:10.24 | ironm | tremon, yes. i will check gpt |
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| 10:11.10 | ironm | Iridos, probably parted can handle it properly. i didn't check it yet |
| 10:11.19 | themill | bassliner: does that version of imagemagick not support /etc/ImageMagick/delegates.xml? |
| 10:12.40 | themill | bassliner: (also, is imagemagick the right tool for the job if you have to start hacking at its delegates like that... many of the delegates can be used directly) |
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| 10:13.11 | bassliner | themill: hm. that's a good reasonable point indeed. |
| 10:13.16 | orl | tremon, nsadmin, themill: ahem.... |
| 10:13.21 | orl | reboot was not such a good idea |
| 10:13.24 | themill | hides from orl |
| 10:13.26 | orl | I'm not on the same machine anymore! |
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| 10:13.50 | orl | will find themill, anyhow!! |
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| 10:14.25 | themill | bassliner: if you decide you really need imagemagick and a hacked delegates.xml, then you'd use dpkg-divert to make dpkg put the packaged file somewhere else then copy it back and edit it yourself. When that breaks, you get to keep both pieces ;) |
| 10:15.01 | bassliner | themill: so /etc/ImageMagick/delegates.xml should overwrite stanzas from the file in /usr/lib? |
| 10:15.09 | bassliner | themill: like i can just put my definitions there? |
| 10:15.11 | orl | themill, tremon, nsadmin: actually, when booting, grub complains: err: no such partitions (several times |
| 10:15.14 | orl | ) |
| 10:16.24 | themill | bassliner: debian moved those files to /etc with 6.6.9, I don't know if the 6.6.0 you have would look there for those files at all. Either try it and see or use strace to see if it looks there |
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| 10:16.51 | ChrisH | grub complained? does the box boot up, at least into single user? Do you have physical access? |
| 10:17.02 | bassliner | themill: thank you. |
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| 10:17.44 | orl | ChrisH: I've got grub window, and then, when trying to boot on any of the system proposed, it tells : err: no such partition |
| 10:17.52 | bassliner | themill: well it doesn't. |
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| 10:18.16 | themill | bassliner: dpkg-divert it is then, if you're going to stick with imagemagick |
| 10:18.25 | orl | ChrisH: i do have a physical access |
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| 10:19.28 | ChrisH | orl: Well. Then booting from a CD might be the next step. boot from CD and check using fdisk -l what is left on the disks. And try to remember where the backup was hidden. |
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| 10:20.18 | orl | ChrisH: oh, do you think it's that bad? |
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| 10:21.00 | ChrisH | The symptoms from before and these are strange. So I would be prepared. |
| 10:21.03 | ironm | I have use the following steps to create a softraid (level5 with one spare drive) RAID5-mdadmin.txt |
| 10:21.03 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/165397/ |
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| 10:22.13 | ironm | after putting encryption the transfer speed slowed down to approx 50% (even the FX-4100 CPU doesn't have higher load than 30%) |
| 10:22.21 | ironm | what vould the reason? |
| 10:22.39 | orl | ChrisH: well I'm going to try to check this |
| 10:23.13 | orl | I'm going to eat right now |
| 10:23.38 | ironm | the whole file with performance details: RAID5-performance.txt |
| 10:23.39 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/165401/ |
| 10:23.47 | ChrisH | ironm: encryption tends to be slow... |
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| 10:24.28 | tremon | orl: grub has command-line completion. type '(hd' tab tab to see what partitions grub recognizes |
| 10:24.54 | bassliner | themill: okay, i've just done: dpkg-divert --divert /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.6.0/config/delegates.xml.debnew /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.6.0/config/delegates.xml |
| 10:25.03 | bassliner | themill: which seems to be the correct way. |
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| 10:25.34 | orl | tremon: OK, I'll do this |
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| 10:27.05 | themill | bassliner: I'd normally include "--add --local --rename" in there too, but for what you're wanting, that might be ok |
| 10:27.14 | ironm | ChrisH, FX-4100 supports AES in hardware and the CPU is not overloaded .. so far I have expected the same IO-rate as without encryption |
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| 10:28.18 | tremon | ironm: how did you setup your encryption? luks? |
| 10:28.37 | Iridos | ironm, so many CPUS/cores are there? |
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| 10:28.54 | ChrisH | ironm: are the corresponding kernel modules loaded? |
| 10:29.04 | ironm | tremon, yes .. luks |
| 10:29.05 | tremon | ironm, also: you might want to enable write-intent bitmap for the array |
| 10:29.23 | bassliner | themill: thank you |
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| 10:29.29 | ironm | Iridos, 4 cores ... FX-4100 is the smaller AMD CPUs |
| 10:29.44 | ironm | ChrisH, how can I check it? |
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| 10:30.02 | Iridos | well... so 30% means one core is fully busy encrypting and another one does related stuff |
| 10:30.03 | ChrisH | IIRC lsmod | grep aes or cryp |
| 10:30.13 | ironm | how can I do that? ... <tremon> ironm, also: you might want to enable write-intent bitmap for the array |
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| 10:30.34 | Iridos | so you have 100% CPU on a single thread busy doing the encryption |
| 10:30.39 | themill | bassliner: no worries... have fun. Remember that diversion is specific to imagemagick 6.6.0 so when you upgrade to wheezy in a year or so that will need to be changed. |
| 10:30.45 | ironm | Iridos, no .. I have checked with htop the load for all 4 cores (less than 30%) |
| 10:31.59 | tremon | ironm: man mdadm, grow --bitmap=internal. Will save the array from doing a full rebuild after re-adding a drive (might also reduce recovery time when syncing the hotspare, not sure) |
| 10:32.06 | ironm | Iridos, AMS cores are not really true cores ... FX-4100 has 2 "real" cores |
| 10:32.20 | tremon | ironm: 30% load on a quadcore? is the encryption algorithm single-threaded? |
| 10:32.34 | ironm | no idea tremon |
| 10:32.44 | ironm | thank .. I will check the manual page again |
| 10:33.24 | ChrisH | ironm: On my homeserver I will remove encryption when changing HW next time. I will only continue to use it on my Notebook |
| 10:34.00 | ironm | ChrisH, I will use encryption everywhere |
| 10:34.36 | orl | tremon: I've got completion, but (hd can't be completed, should I type something before? |
| 10:34.42 | ChrisH | ironm: I was the same, 3 years ago :) |
| 10:34.45 | orl | I never used grub commande prompt |
| 10:35.14 | tremon | orl: not sure, don't use it that much either. try ls '( tab tab first, or plain ls |
| 10:35.35 | orl | oh, yes |
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| 10:35.57 | tremon | orl: are you in rescue mode? i.e. the menu isn't loaded either? Or does it fail after loading the menu? |
| 10:36.05 | ChrisH | orl,tremon due to the weird and chaning interface of grub I recommened to boot from a cd... |
| 10:36.12 | orl | tremon: the menu has loaded |
| 10:36.14 | Iridos | tremon, if it's just one copy operation, i.e. one write? Are there any algorithms that can distribute encryption of a single stream on several cores? |
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| 10:36.27 | ironm | ChrisH, I am getting like 70MB/s (write to encrypted RAID5 .. 5 drives + one spare drive) ... it is OK .. even the speed is like 160MB/s (write to non-encrypted RAID) .. ext4 based |
| 10:37.33 | tremon | Iridos: it wouldn't be too hard to do scatter/gather distribution even on a single data stream (block-based round robin comes to mind), depends on the implementation |
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| 10:43.08 | tremon | orl: since the grub menu and kernel are on the same partition, you should be able to boot. How far do you get with ls and completion? (note that chrisH' suggestion is probably easier) |
| 10:44.10 | orl | tremon: ls : err: no such partition |
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| 10:44.20 | orl | tremon, ChrisH: I'm going to boot on a CD, got to finish eating before |
| 10:44.59 | tremon | ah yes, eat... now there's a thought |
| 10:46.25 | orl | tremon: it's all about not let the CD slip between my greasy fingers! |
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| 10:47.34 | nomicon | I have a Dell 12G server which comes with a Broadcom 5750 card. Squeeze does not recognize this card. What's the appropiate way to approach this problem ? |
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| 10:47.48 | nomicon | Could I download the gpl drivers from Broadcom and insert it into my installer somehow? |
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| 10:52.34 | Iridos | depends.. is it missing firmware or is there just no support in the kernel... there's both, unofficial images with firmware and unofficial images with a newer kernel |
| 10:52.37 | Iridos | dpkg, kmuto |
| 10:52.37 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 10:52.45 | Iridos | dpkg, firmware images |
| 10:52.46 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 10:53.48 | ironm | ChrisH, lsmod | grep crypt | pbp.sh |
| 10:53.48 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/165405/ |
| 10:53.54 | Iridos | if you can boot into the machine, try to get the pciid with lspci -nn |
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| 10:58.45 | nomicon | Iridos: It was not on the list of missing-firmware |
| 11:00.19 | nomicon | lspci -nn says 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:165f] |
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| 11:06.10 | Silencer | Hello. I compiled ntop on debian, can someone explain me, how do I make ntop start everytimetime linux starts ? |
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| 11:06.38 | Silencer | In files there is only how to compile it.. |
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| 11:09.46 | themill | Silencer: ntop packages, that have an init script to start them at boot, are already available in debian ... |
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| 11:11.08 | Silencer | themill: Yes, I found it, but still, I tryied to understand how to run compiled packages as others packages do... |
| 11:11.40 | swombat | I know this is a bit specialised, but does anyone have a link to an article explaining how to get Xen 4's network routing working in Squeeze? Surely that's been fixed since Squeeze has been released quite some time ago...? |
| 11:11.57 | themill | Silencer: you need an init script -- the package ships one in /etc/init.d/ntop and it gets enabled by the maintainer scripts during installation of the package |
| 11:12.58 | nomicon | Is there a way to inject the drivers avaible from broadcom.com into the installer? |
| 11:12.59 | Silencer | after compiling there is ntop in /etc/init.d but it does nothing |
| 11:13.12 | Silencer | it only works only then using package manager / |
| 11:13.15 | Silencer | ? |
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| 11:17.30 | nomicon | anyone? |
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| 11:17.58 | themill | Silencer: how are you testing that it does nothing? (perhaps pastebin the script; /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 11:19.00 | Silencer | themill: nvm, just used package manager... now it works... |
| 11:19.01 | Silencer | another question, how can I share equally the bandwith between PC's if I use the server as a gateway ? |
| 11:19.04 | dannN | Hi, is it possible to provide a password at sudo -i ? I've a php script which exec this command, otherwise i can't change mods |
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| 11:20.00 | themill | dannN: there are a lot of problems with what you're doing here... please take a step back and tell us what you're really trying to do. |
| 11:20.50 | dannN | i want to exec the command "sudo -i" with a password, so i don't have to enter the password at the second step |
| 11:21.45 | tremon | dannN: another step back please |
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| 11:22.18 | themill | dannN: no no no... please give us more of the bigger picture. You've followed your instincts down a dark and scary alley and we need to help you find the main road again... |
| 11:23.37 | idimmu | dannN: http://docs.oseems.com/operatingsystem/linux/enable-passwordless-sudo |
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| 11:23.59 | idimmu | you want to configure sudo to work without a password for your particular need |
| 11:24.04 | idimmu | read le docs |
| 11:26.36 | sephii | just don't do that |
| 11:26.39 | tremon | idimmu: sadly, le docs don't solve the problem "using administrative privileges and php in a affirmative sentence" |
| 11:27.26 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 11:27.38 | Innocentus | hi themill! what a joy to see you online |
| 11:27.56 | Innocentus | I want to upgrade PHP5 on my debian to the newest by using dotdeb |
| 11:28.05 | themill | hides behind tremon |
| 11:28.17 | Innocentus | however - this doesn't work altough I have added the debs to sources and added the gpg key |
| 11:28.17 | idimmu | welcome to #php ..? |
| 11:28.21 | tremon | !dotdeb |
| 11:28.21 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 11:28.29 | themill | Innocentus: please don't do that... please. |
| 11:28.31 | Innocentus | oh |
| 11:28.33 | Innocentus | ok |
| 11:28.41 | Innocentus | then tell me how to use the backports |
| 11:28.44 | Innocentus | I am eager to know it |
| 11:28.46 | themill | dpkg: tell Innocentus about ssb |
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| 11:29.14 | themill | Innocentus: note that php5.4 is known to be incompatible with a pile of other packaged php stuff in squeeze. |
| 11:29.53 | Innocentus | I will tell something funny now, lol, I still got lenny |
| 11:29.55 | Innocentus | http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/lenny-backports/ |
| 11:30.00 | Innocentus | how can I install them with apt? |
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| 11:30.03 | Innocentus | is this possible? |
| 11:30.15 | Innocentus | themill: I wasn't able to move to squeeze yet |
| 11:30.21 | Innocentus | themill: hopefully in the next weeks |
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| 11:30.35 | themill | so you're wanting to do this on lenny... |
| 11:30.35 | Innocentus | themill: but I urgently need an php upgrade - even one minor version would be good already |
| 11:30.39 | Innocentus | yes |
| 11:30.42 | Innocentus | lenny backport? |
| 11:30.45 | themill | just upgrade to squeeze already |
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| 11:31.14 | rawhite | themill: how could i still use lenny + install stuff but not upgrade yet ? :) |
| 11:31.17 | Innocentus | I can't because of kernel - it is a vserver - soon I will get one where I can define the kernel by myself - but this will take some weeks |
| 11:31.26 | themill | if you're doing crazy things with new php versions and dotdeb then you clearly don't care about stability... |
| 11:31.47 | themill | Innocentus: what's "uname -a" on that machine? |
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| 11:32.05 | themill | dpkg, smack rawhite |
| 11:32.06 | dpkg | smacks rawhite upside the head. |
| 11:32.11 | rawhite | themill: i dont want to upgrade to squeeze cause of dotdeb and crazy php things :) but still dont want to see not found errors at update and maybe install some packages dpkg thanks |
| 11:32.29 | tremon | rawhite: you can set APT::Default-Release to "lenny", then add squeeze sources. But you didn't hear it from me, and it certainly will create more problems than it solves |
| 11:32.50 | rawhite | tremon: then i think ill pass , thanks , any other solution ? |
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| 11:33.18 | tremon | yes, upgrade to squeeze, or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:33.18 | themill | dpkg: tell rawhite about lenny souces.list |
| 11:33.35 | Iridos | tremon, that's not the point... the lenny repos are gone and only in archives... see |
| 11:33.41 | Iridos | hands themill an "r" |
| 11:33.55 | themill | rawhite: that will solve your 404 problem when you "apt-get update" but there's no point in ever running apt-get update any more as it's never going to change again |
| 11:34.32 | rawhite | themill: true, but what about packages that cant be found anymore ... since the version its looking for its so old is probably deleted already |
| 11:34.43 | tremon | ah, missed the part where rawhite was getting 404s... |
| 11:34.56 | Iridos | dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 11:34.56 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 11:35.17 | rawhite | dpkg: lenny>squeeze |
| 11:35.18 | dpkg | rawhite: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:35.26 | rawhite | dpkg lenny>squueze |
| 11:35.26 | dpkg | rawhite: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:35.37 | rawhite | dpkg lenny->squueze |
| 11:35.37 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, rawhite |
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| 11:35.44 | themill | dpkg: tell rawhite about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:35.45 | rawhite | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 11:35.49 | themill | rawhite: you can just /msg dpkg |
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| 11:35.57 | rawhite | i know |
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| 11:38.02 | Innocentus | 2.6.20-xen-r6 |
| 11:38.13 | Iridos | hm, xulrunner-stub constantly uses 30% CPU on this machine... what on one of the webpages open could cause this? |
| 11:38.33 | Innocentus | themill: 2.6.20-xen-r6 |
| 11:38.38 | orl | tremon, ChrisH: here I am, back |
| 11:38.40 | Iridos | I have flashblock and adblock plugins... that should prevent any flash constantly running and also animated gifs, I guess |
| 11:39.01 | orl | I've booted my machine with a live CD, and did a cat /proc/partitions, all partitions seems to appear |
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| 11:39.11 | tremon | Iridos: won't prevent javascript, though |
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| 11:39.18 | Iridos | hm |
| 11:39.33 | themill | Innocentus: so I reckon you'd be able to get squeeze running on that but with lenny's udev. YMMV though. |
| 11:39.34 | Iridos | you got a point there |
| 11:39.55 | orl | what should I check, now? |
| 11:40.15 | Innocentus | themill: I need a newer version of php5 - it doesn't matter how |
| 11:40.24 | Innocentus | themill: I need to update it - what can I do now |
| 11:40.31 | ChrisH | orl: So fdisk -l did show all expected partitions. ACK? |
| 11:41.10 | Iridos | tremon, \o/ down to 4%-22% and not a constant 30% anymore |
| 11:41.22 | themill | Innocentus: read the release notes for lenny->squeeze. Skip the bit about upgrading kernel and udev and rebooting and instead put udev (if you have it installed which I assume you do) on hold. Hope. |
| 11:41.27 | tremon | orl: the short of it: mount your root filesystem somewhere, e.g. /mnt, bind mount /dev, /sys and /proc onto it, mount /boot on /mnt/boot, chroot /mnt and update-grub |
| 11:42.01 | Innocentus | wah |
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| 11:42.09 | Innocentus | if something wents wrong, the whole server will go down, right? |
| 11:42.22 | Innocentus | isn't there any other way? an php patch maybe? |
| 11:42.25 | Innocentus | I need it urgently |
| 11:42.41 | Innocentus | there is a damn php5 soapclient segfault error which would be solved in a newer php5 version |
| 11:42.47 | Innocentus | I cannot walkaround it |
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| 11:43.32 | Iridos | guess you'd need effin magnets |
| 11:43.41 | orl | tremon: OK, taht I know how to do |
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| 11:44.44 | ironm | may I ask what key length would you recommend for cryptsetup? I have used like: cryptsetup -c aes-xts-plain -s 512 luksFormat /dev/sdd1 |
| 11:44.46 | tremon | orl: for certainty, also reinstall grub to your mbr (grub-install /dev/sdb?) |
| 11:44.59 | orl | ChrisH: yep |
| 11:45.08 | orl | tremon: OK |
| 11:45.22 | themill | Innocentus: good administration keeps the routine and important things (like actually running a supported release... that you've had 15 months to upgrade to) under control so that you don't end up in panicked corners like this. |
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| 11:46.15 | Innocentus | themill: I also would like to upgrade, but currently the hoster is changing many things |
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| 11:47.36 | tremon | Innocentus: have you considered changing hoster? |
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| 11:47.58 | Innocentus | tremon: the hoster is good |
| 11:48.05 | tremon | doesn't sound like it |
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| 11:50.28 | ChrisH | orl: well, then you need to either try to mount the root FS from the live CD and run a grubinstall and/or mount -a to check. Or you will now learn grub syntax and boot from the Disk |
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| 11:54.21 | thewanderer1 | does it occur to anyone else that text is bigger in Iceweasel than in Chromium, given the same font size? |
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| 11:54.41 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. bigger proportionally to the rest of elements like images, which are fixed px) |
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| 11:55.32 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: hi |
| 11:55.49 | thewanderer1 | oh hi :P |
| 11:55.51 | orl | ChrisH: I'm going to use the first option, which I know a bit better |
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| 11:59.10 | ChrisH | orl: thats my preferred way, too. |
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| 11:59.39 | orl | ChrisH: I think it's finally not so grave, probably grub not install on the correct disk |
| 11:59.50 | orl | s/install/installed |
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| 12:01.02 | queso | Is there something I can remove so I don't have to redownload a bunch of Translation-** packages when I apt-get update? I only know English. :) |
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| 12:01.44 | swombat | has http://bugzilla.xensource.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1699 been fixed in secret somehow? |
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| 12:01.52 | swombat | hopes against all odds. |
| 12:02.07 | swombat | hmm, i guess it's a xen bug not a debian bug - sorry, wrong channel |
| 12:03.14 | tremon | queso: man apt.conf, "Languages" |
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| 12:04.14 | ironm | thewanderer1, the default setting for chromium and iceweasel gives me *bigger* text for chromium (just checked it on wheezy) |
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| 12:04.30 | queso | tremon: thanks |
| 12:04.50 | thewanderer1 | ironm: could you check with http://thewanderer.users.gim11.pl/milusin/milusin/ ? whose text is bigger? |
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| 12:05.18 | ironm | thewanderer1, wait a minute |
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| 12:08.19 | ironm | thewanderer1, it looks like iceweasel uses Serifs-font and chromium another one. The size is probably the same, however the non-serifs font appears a little bit bigger |
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| 12:09.09 | ironm | thewanderer1, I mean the menu area |
| 12:09.17 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
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| 12:09.55 | Thums | Hi. the net.core.somaxconn defines the size of the backlog. Right? This backlog only applies to the individual procresses? so if the pid is different it has it's own backlog-'pool'? |
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| 12:10.38 | thewanderer1 | so the sizes of sans-serif and Liberation Sans Serif don't match, apparently |
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| 12:13.15 | thewanderer1 | Thums: afaik, it's per socket |
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| 12:15.06 | thewanderer1 | ironm: that was it... I've managed to find a literal font name which displays nicely |
| 12:15.45 | Thums | thewanderer: so in theory several pid's could share the same socket and thereby the same backlog-pool? |
| 12:16.37 | thewanderer1 | Thums: in theory, yes, they could - normally, though, after a fork(), only the parent process will listen on that socket and dispatch "requests" or the like |
| 12:16.55 | thewanderer1 | so in practice it's usually one process per socket |
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| 12:17.20 | ChrisH | orl: proceeding? |
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| 12:18.36 | Thums | but if the socket has been made before the fork(), and the code makes the accept() after the fork() has been executed, they will have their own socket? |
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| 12:20.15 | thewanderer1 | Thums: an accept will always generate a connection socket, but if you have multiple workers accepting connections as opposed to a parent dispatcher (is that even possible?), they will share the backlog |
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| 12:20.34 | Thums | I just don't see how they will get past the concurrency problem if they share the socket, and if they don't there is a race condition on which socket that responds to the connection request |
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| 12:20.51 | thewanderer1 | they don't share the socket |
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| 12:20.56 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 12:22.08 | Thums | thewanderer: I've read that every initialised variable will be copyed to the other threads and they live their own life henseforward, but then that's not the case with sockets :-) |
| 12:22.24 | johnfg | I haven't booted up my lenny in a while, and I note that most of the sources.list seems not to work. I don't see this mentioned in the Topic, but are there no more updates for lenny? |
| 12:22.36 | gjergj | jellou |
| 12:23.01 | thewanderer1 | Thums: oh, they are copied to the children - it's that you are supposed to use the main (listener) socket in the parent and accept()-generated sockets in the children |
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| 12:23.53 | thewanderer1 | you could use the same STREAM socket in multiple processes, but even the eldest highlanders couldn't predict the results... :P |
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| 12:24.56 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: that's right. you can still fetch packages from archive.debian.org, but no security - time to move on |
| 12:24.57 | Thums | Hehe… They have also had major problems with their threads… so it might be so :-) |
| 12:25.33 | Thums | thewanderer: so in that case do they stille share the backlog of do they have their own? :-) |
| 12:26.05 | johnfg | thewanderer1, I have, but there's times I still like to use lenny, but, oh well... |
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| 12:26.40 | thewanderer1 | use? ok. securely? no way |
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| 12:27.21 | thewanderer1 | Thums: backlog is per socket resource, so if you have a program that does accept(), the newly-spawned connection socket has its own backlog |
| 12:27.43 | thewanderer1 | in the hypothetical scenario that you use the same socket between PIDs... you share the backlog. |
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| 12:28.46 | thewanderer1 | actually, I am not sure if there's any "backlog" to speak of in terms of already connected sockets, since they don't accept new connections :P |
| 12:29.35 | Thums | That only leaves me with one question :-) Is it possible to have several sockets, different pids, that listen on the same port? |
| 12:30.20 | Thums | wanderer: sorry m8.. I mean the ServerSocket that does all the listening |
| 12:30.26 | thewanderer1 | not as far as I know - that's why dispatchers such as the Apache2 model exist |
| 12:30.43 | thewanderer1 | one listener, multiple workers |
| 12:31.07 | hipodilski | hi how can I change links text browser opened tabs? |
| 12:31.19 | hipodilski | anyone knows |
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| 12:33.33 | thewanderer1 | Thums: how would the kernel even know where to deliver the message, anyway? :P |
| 12:33.41 | Thums | Thanks wanderer.. you made the whole thing a bit more clear for me :-) |
| 12:34.34 | Thums | wanderer: yeah. the whole thing would get pretty tricky.. like a broadcast only on applications listening on the same port |
| 12:35.19 | Thums | but would be possible to implement but I pity the fool was assigned the task |
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| 12:35.34 | thewanderer1 | actually, it's trivial to make a port multiplexer that does broadcast among all workers and gathers the results to send them to the cliet |
| 12:36.10 | thewanderer1 | even if you assume the workers to be full-fledged accept()ing servers |
| 12:36.34 | thewanderer1 | the devil lies in the details, i.e. you get lots of internal connections, and possibly a clusterf__k of fork()s |
| 12:36.38 | Thums | but if you needed to keep focus on the performance you would loose a lot of time on handshaking and such on incoming requests |
| 12:36.59 | thewanderer1 | indeed |
| 12:37.10 | thewanderer1 | internal comms via UNIX sockets seems to be a solution |
| 12:37.34 | thewanderer1 | but then you should probably integrate the whole setup into a single daemon and avoid the IPC hassle |
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| 12:43.59 | orl | ChrisH: yeah, but the phone rang. |
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| 12:45.59 | iceroot | hi |
| 12:46.47 | iceroot | my system have 1gb ram, 1gb swap. rtorrent is crashing because the ram is used 100%, in top i see swap with 1gb and 0% used. is there a way to find out why my system is not swaping and the programs are crashing with "out of memory"? |
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| 12:47.39 | iceroot | Swap: 1048576k total, 0k used, 1048576k free, 729000k cached |
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| 12:49.39 | iceroot | i tried swapoff/swapon and get this very strange message http://pastebin.com/JL4tasFM |
| 12:51.21 | robokop | i did a chmod wrong, and i have a backup with correct permissions can i somehow get the permissions back from my backup? |
| 12:52.00 | iceroot | robokop: run getfacl on that backup and then setfacl on your installation would be my try |
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| 12:52.38 | somiaj | rsync will also sync up permissions |
| 12:52.53 | somiaj | if that is the only thing that changed since your backup it will just update those back |
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| 12:54.03 | robokop | rsync won't do more might be changed |
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| 12:56.07 | iceroot | is an empty /etc/fstab default on debian 6? i am trying to debug my swap-issue and the file is empty "# UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM |
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| 12:56.27 | Warptwist | Maybe a bit funky question, but is it possible to map, let's say serveren.info to "myIP", and prog.serveren.info to "myIP:myport"? |
| 12:57.01 | iceroot | Warptwist: thats what a pache vhost is doing |
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| 12:57.04 | iceroot | apache |
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| 12:57.55 | Warptwist | Does this work outside of apache? example a teamspeak server or something like that? |
| 12:58.11 | iceroot | not outside of apache |
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| 12:58.45 | Iridos | actually that's what vhosts are doing even without the :myport bit |
| 12:58.59 | themill | there are poorly supported protocol extensions for DNS for that |
| 12:59.32 | Warptwist | Can you point me in the right direction for some of theese protocol extensions? |
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| 13:00.49 | Warptwist | the idea was to make ts.serveren.info point to my teamspeak server including port, so it wouldn't show the website when opened in browser. |
| 13:01.08 | themill | Warptwist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record I doubt teamspeak supports that |
| 13:01.33 | Iridos | you're not the first to ask that and no, it doesn't work that way |
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| 13:01.54 | Warptwist | So there aren't any way to make this happen? :( |
| 13:02.26 | Iridos | sure... you can program your own software |
| 13:02.58 | themill | Warptwist: if you're differentiating between ts.example.com and example.com (or www.example.com) then there's no need for this anyway |
| 13:03.41 | Warptwist | ok. |
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| 13:04.34 | Iridos | actually he wanted something slightly else... but with the same basic idea... have ports be remapped depending on what dns entry the request came from |
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| 13:05.44 | Warptwist | Iridos, you're absolutely right. but is it even possible? |
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| 13:06.42 | Iridos | Warptwist, NO |
| 13:06.46 | themill | so ts.example.com:80 -> teamspeak and example.com:80 -> apache but ts.example.com and example.com having the same IP? |
| 13:07.09 | Iridos | afaik, there's no way for a process to know what DNS the request was meant for |
| 13:07.26 | Iridos | apache knows because that's part of http, right? |
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| 13:07.49 | themill | (ts doesn't use :80 does it?) |
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| 13:08.22 | gnarface | uh... should be able to do this actually with packet inspection anyway.... |
| 13:08.38 | gnarface | because you just send stuff that has http headers to apache |
| 13:08.43 | Warptwist | themill: it's ts.example.com -> example.com:9987 (ts) and example.com -> example.com:80 (apache) |
| 13:08.58 | Iridos | gnarface, if some other server would also run on port 80? |
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| 13:09.29 | themill | Warptwist: and the IP of ts.example.com is the same as example.com or different? |
| 13:09.31 | gnarface | Iridos: i'm assuming here of course that there is an intermediary system, or that the servers are virtual guests of course |
| 13:09.38 | Warptwist | same ip |
| 13:09.42 | gnarface | Iridos: obviously on the bare metal you wouldn't be binding to the same port |
| 13:09.43 | themill | nothing to do then |
| 13:10.06 | themill | looks puzzled |
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| 13:10.12 | Iridos | well, configure apache not to answer to ts.example.com |
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| 13:12.33 | Warptwist | Well that's not the whole idea. I also want to be able to configure ts1.example.com to the first running ts server example port:9987 and ts2.example.com to the next ts server example port:9988 |
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| 13:12.54 | Warptwist | where both ts*.example.com has the same ip |
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| 13:13.05 | rawhite | themill: thanks i've been able to install some packages using that archive sources you gave me |
| 13:14.03 | Iridos | Warptwist, run nc -l -p 8888 # then point your browser to http://localhost:8888/tst.html |
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| 13:14.29 | Iridos | Warptwist, you (should) see on line 2 of the browser input: Host: localhost:8888 |
| 13:14.57 | Iridos | that's how apache knows which hostname is meant |
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| 13:15.42 | Iridos | (browser on the same machine as the nc command, obviously) |
| 13:15.46 | Warptwist | so, run: nc -l -p 8888? would you care to tell me more about what this does? |
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| 13:16.06 | Iridos | man nc? |
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| 13:17.10 | Iridos | if you run nc -l -p 8888 again and point your browser instead to http://127.0.0.1:8888/tst.html |
| 13:17.19 | Iridos | you get: Host: 127.0.0.1:8888 |
| 13:18.33 | gnarface | ooh i got an idea, you could just write a teamspeak proxy in php |
| 13:18.44 | gnarface | then it wouldn't matter if all your traffic went to apache first |
| 13:18.46 | gnarface | problem solved! |
| 13:18.50 | gnarface | i r genius |
| 13:19.24 | Iridos | no, you cannot, if this doesn't use http |
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| 13:19.49 | gnarface | i bet it can be done |
| 13:19.53 | gnarface | php can talk in sockets |
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| 13:20.13 | Iridos | what I was just trying to point out... distinguishing what domain name someone thinks he connects to is part of the http protocol |
| 13:20.31 | Iridos | for random other protocols, you have no clue about it |
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| 13:22.15 | Iridos | maybe there are DNS extensions that allow you the same trick, as themill says, but nobody uses them, and probably they don't work well? |
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| 13:23.47 | slct | Hi. After an update of Debian wheezy, it's impossible to connect to gnome3 or gnome classic, but possible with xfce. How to resolve this problem? There is no PC freeze, and the connexion window works normally. But the session last less than 20 ms. |
| 13:23.55 | Warptwist | Any ideas on how to make even some of it usable? I need 2 different ts servers on the same IP, with different port, and I want it to be simple for the user to remeber the connection address. |
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| 13:25.18 | tangostudio | Hi! |
| 13:25.26 | tangostudio | tremon here is orl |
| 13:25.29 | tangostudio | on the live CD |
| 13:25.38 | anton01 | if I want to pipe gcc stderr to grep and I want to pipe grep back into a buffer and then open that buffer with fdopen, how many pipes do I need in total? |
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| 13:26.14 | tangostudio | I am a bit annoyedm actually / is on a RAID arraym and I just cannot assemble it from my tangostudio live CD |
| 13:26.51 | tangostudio | I have installed mdadm, but it might not be sufficient? |
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| 13:26.58 | anton01 | do i need two pipes or |
| 13:27.10 | Iridos | Warptwist_DK, why don't you just make a webpage that tells them the addresses? |
| 13:27.21 | Iridos | maybe even a dynamic one... |
| 13:27.32 | anton01 | i guess one pipe wouldnt make much sense would it |
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| 13:27.46 | anton01 | because i'd be filling up a tank while emptying it |
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| 13:33.21 | tangostudio | nasdminm themill tremon when wanting to use an existant RAID1 arraym I have got to use --assemble right? |
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| 13:38.59 | tremon | tangostudio: should work, yes. My limited experience always uses --assemble --scan though |
| 13:39.40 | tangostudio | tremon that is what i am trying right now but it just fails with very few error message |
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| 13:40.48 | tremon | paste your command, the error message, /proc/mdstat and /proc/partitions |
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| 13:41.25 | tangostudio | tremon there zere no error messagem but i am auite stupidm i forgot to su!!!! |
| 13:41.47 | tremon | try --verbose next time :) |
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| 13:42.16 | queso | Is debian going to move to systemd or upstart or what's it using? |
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| 13:43.14 | tremon | queso: not in the wheezy timeframe. Both are available, but not the default |
| 13:44.01 | queso | tremon: are there plans to change to one or the other after wheezy? or no plans to change yet? |
| 13:44.40 | queso | is curious after reading about ubuntu going its own way with upstart |
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| 13:45.08 | themill | queso: you might like to wade through the several threads on the debian-devel mailing list |
| 13:45.37 | tremon | queso: there are no plans for wheezy+1 yet. Personally, I don't expect the default to change until wheezy+2 |
| 13:45.48 | queso | themill: ah, okay, so it's been/being discussed. |
| 13:45.58 | queso | tremon: okay, thanks |
| 13:46.01 | tangostudio | tremon i did try but as i was normal userm it did not output anything |
| 13:46.45 | tremon | tangostudio: probably because mdadm only scans block devices that it can read, and as normal user that number is close to 0 |
| 13:47.59 | themill | queso: also, it's not really any more true to say that ubuntu is going its own way with upstart than debian has gone its own way with insserv or fedora with systemd. |
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| 13:48.36 | queso | themill: right, I'll admit I know little about this stuff. |
| 13:49.08 | themill | queso: don't worry... if you do read those threads on debian-devel, you'll find that most of the participants in the discussion don't either. |
| 13:49.37 | tremon | :D |
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| 13:50.11 | Iridos | why are there so many startup-script systems around... someone decided there wasn't enough confusion, so quick, create some more? |
| 13:50.41 | queso | themill: heh |
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| 13:50.59 | tangostudio | tremon okm i have mounted / /boot what else should i mount? |
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| 13:51.17 | fasta | How can I access the 'Filter panel' where I can filter files by date in Dolphin? |
| 13:51.18 | themill | Iridos: obligatory http://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 13:51.39 | tremon | tangostudio: you haven't explained your problem yet, or you've changed your nick |
| 13:51.47 | themill | fasta: Ctrl+I is the filter but I don't think that does by date only name |
| 13:52.10 | Iridos | themill, I meant... is there a real reason? |
| 13:52.37 | fasta | themill: This guy shows a panel distinct from Ctrl-i: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl_XnlmaS9A |
| 13:52.38 | Iridos | preferrably one that can be explained in 1-2 short sentences without having to wade through several hours of fruitless discussion |
| 13:52.46 | Trewas | Iridos: the old init systems are not event based which does not make much sense anymore, then event-based upstart was made, lennart did not like it so he made another one, systemd |
| 13:52.52 | themill | fasta: clicking in the search bar at the top of dolphin gives you a search → from here → Date: … option |
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| 13:53.39 | fasta | themill: I had to click on the +. |
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| 13:53.46 | fasta | themill: but yes, that's great. Thanks. |
| 13:54.15 | gh0stn0te | hi |
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| 13:54.52 | themill | fasta: not sure how well it works in squeeze -- it's a piece of software that's still maturing |
| 13:54.54 | fasta | themill: I cheered too soon. Searching for * shows all files. |
| 13:55.06 | fasta | themill: (when having selected the date of today) |
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| 13:56.11 | thewanderer1 | fasta: hmm, use `find`? |
| 13:56.22 | Trewas | Iridos: also upstart was made by a canonical employee and systemd by a redhat one, so the lines have been drawn even without considering technical merits... systemd is happy to be linux-only, which is not that good for debian (with kfreebsd, hurd, etc variants) |
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| 13:56.37 | fasta | thewanderer1: this was more about setting up a GUI than finding a specific file. |
| 13:56.57 | Iridos | heh |
| 13:56.59 | fasta | thewanderer1: also, KDE creates an index. find needs to hit all files. |
| 13:57.02 | tangostudio | tremon oh yeqhm i am orl |
| 13:57.16 | tangostudio | i have precised at the beginning but it was some lines ago |
| 13:57.17 | themill | fasta: that panel on the right side of the window is from a newer kde than in squeeze, I think |
| 13:57.17 | Iridos | Trewas, looking at the upstart page I'm not clear what "events" are, though |
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| 13:57.49 | themill | Iridos: network becomes available, usb stick plugged in, SATA drive finally enumerated, .. |
| 13:58.03 | Trewas | Iridos: for example events are generated by the kernel (this usb-disk showed up, deal with it) |
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| 13:58.39 | Iridos | but that's already handled? |
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| 13:59.13 | themill | Iridos: not really -- network finally came up, mount the nfs rootfs and keep going with boot etc. |
| 13:59.32 | themill | Iridos: much of the current "handling" looks like "sleep 5s and hope" |
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| 14:01.56 | tremon | tangostudio: in short, you need to recreate your normal fs tree, chroot into it and re-run grub's setup (we're still at that stage, right?) |
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| 14:05.22 | tangostudio | tremon yes |
| 14:05.49 | tangostudio | tremon there probably are certain partitions I do not need to mount ? |
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| 14:06.34 | tangostudio | tremon shall i first mount / then chroot then mount the others or mount all then chroot? |
| 14:06.39 | tremon | tangostudio: you need to make sure /, /boot, /var and /usr are mounted from the real system, and /dev, /sys and /proc bind-mounted from your live-disc. Then chroot into it |
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| 14:06.44 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 14:06.50 | tremon | first mount, then chroot |
| 14:07.10 | tremon | both will work, but inside the chroot /etc/mtab will be invalid |
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| 14:07.24 | Mick27 | folks any of you know a (n easy) way of making a unique partition on a disk via a one liner command line ? |
| 14:07.34 | pppoe_dude | hi there |
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| 14:08.05 | pppoe_dude | can someone resend me the links on how to install latest iceweasel, and non-free codecs/flash, etc. on debian stable? |
| 14:08.13 | pppoe_dude | i think there were 2 3-lettered acronyms. |
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| 14:08.39 | fasta | pppoe_dude: you can also just install Firefox directly from getfirefox.com. |
| 14:08.42 | pppoe_dude | (i mean using apt / backports |
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| 14:09.01 | fasta | pppoe_dude: IMHO, the Debian packages are rotten. |
| 14:09.01 | themill | dpkg: tell pppoe_dude about mdn |
| 14:09.02 | tangostudio | tremon then /proc/partitions is empty |
| 14:09.12 | tangostudio | how can i fill it? |
| 14:09.15 | pppoe_dude | themill, there's this one and another one |
| 14:09.32 | thewanderer1 | bpo? |
| 14:09.33 | pppoe_dude | ohh. |
| 14:09.38 | pppoe_dude | thewanderer1, yes |
| 14:09.43 | themill | pppoe_dude: you don't need any other repos really for the other things (other than non-free for flash, /msg dpkg adobe flash) |
| 14:09.58 | tremon | tangostudio: it shouldn't be (then it's also empty on the live cd, and that would imply your disks aren't recognized), but it also shouldn't matter |
| 14:10.08 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, bpo is useless in this case, since you don't need it for flash |
| 14:10.15 | pppoe_dude | hmm what i am trying to figure out is, is it better to recommend debian stable, with latest firefox and non-free flash, or linux mint, to a total newbie. |
| 14:10.19 | thewanderer1 | and it never has recent mozillas anyway |
| 14:10.34 | tangostudio | tremon it is not empty on the live |
| 14:10.52 | tremon | tangostudio: did you do mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc ? |
| 14:10.53 | tangostudio | tremon okm so everything is mounted, and i have chrooted |
| 14:10.59 | tangostudio | no |
| 14:10.59 | thewanderer1 | pppoe_dude: go for Debian, Flash is easy and Mozilla you will get from the said side or from mdn |
| 14:11.05 | thewanderer1 | s/side/site/ even |
| 14:11.06 | tangostudio | sorrym did not understand that |
| 14:11.09 | tangostudio | ok |
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| 14:11.17 | tremon | tangostudio: you need to do that for /proc, /dev and /sys |
| 14:11.52 | pppoe_dude | thewanderer1, that's what i was thinking. i use debian stable myself but im experienced. Im just wondering if a new user would run into problems with it, or less so than with linux mint. |
| 14:12.19 | pppoe_dude | i also wonder why debian chose openoffice rather than libreoffice |
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| 14:12.40 | thewanderer1 | pppoe_dude: it did not choose OpenOffice. at the time of release, LibreOffice simply did not exist... |
| 14:13.01 | thewanderer1 | (or was just appearing) |
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| 14:13.25 | thewanderer1 | hint hint: on testing, you have LibreOffice instead of OO.o |
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| 14:13.43 | tangostudio | tremon ok done, be right back i hope |
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| 14:14.20 | thewanderer1 | pppoe_dude: and if it's about problems... with Debian, you usually don't know how to do something and that's a problem - so you come and ask. with Mint, you usually know how to do stuff, but it doesn't work as expected :P |
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| 14:14.28 | themill | pppoe_dude: libreoffice exists in backports if you want that instead. |
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| 14:16.56 | pppoe_dude | mhm |
| 14:17.06 | pppoe_dude | well i personally find debian to be the nicest distro for my purposes |
| 14:17.12 | pppoe_dude | and it's nice that the release cycle is so long |
| 14:17.36 | pppoe_dude | because the person im recommending this to never used linux before and i don't think they'd like the concept of having to upgrade once a year |
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| 14:29.44 | bolt | does anyone happen to know how dpkg (the bot) has been made to reply to messages starting with exclamation marks? trying to make my infobot do that |
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| 14:30.55 | abrotman | bolt: there's a short addressing character IIRC |
| 14:31.15 | themill | bolt: files/infobot.chan -> addressCharacter |
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| 14:31.19 | abrotman | bolt: ask #infobot |
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| 14:35.38 | pppoe_dude | can one download the latest iceweasel? |
| 14:35.42 | drdo | Where can i read about package management in debian? |
| 14:36.25 | gnarface | drdo: how to use packages? just read apt-get's manpage. how to make them is a bit longer of a read... |
| 14:36.33 | gnarface | dpkg tell drdo about nmg |
| 14:36.48 | drdo | gnarface: Was about to clarify anticipating such an answer |
| 14:36.52 | themill | pppoe_dude: did you read what dpkg told you about mentors.debian.net? |
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| 14:38.27 | pppoe_dude | when did dpkg tell me that/ |
| 14:38.42 | themill | 30 minutes ago |
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| 14:39.47 | pppoe_dude | mdn? |
| 14:39.57 | drdo | gnarface: I want to read about how the various tools fit together, basically an overview of the whole thing. And stuff like what exactly do the various dependency levels mean (Depends, PreDepends, Recommends, etc), how and who keeps track of the distinction between a package i installed and what was pulled as a dependency (this particular thing is what made me want to read about it) |
| 14:40.19 | pppoe_dude | i cant find anything about mentors in logs |
| 14:40.34 | themill | pppoe_dude: bah... mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:41.15 | drdo | gnarface: i.e. i'm not really interested in a tutorial on how to get something done and move on, but rather to understand the thing |
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| 14:41.51 | gnarface | drdo: o'reilly should really publish a book on it honestly. you can get all that information by reading a combination of dpkg manpage (and related manpages) and the new maintainer's guide, but really getting a clear picture of it in your head will also require observation and experimentation, as the documentation is somewhat disorganized conceptually |
| 14:42.05 | themill | drdo: that sounds more like the apt documentation not the packaging documentation tha tyou want then |
| 14:42.36 | gnarface | mostly figured it all out just by pestering themill |
| 14:43.16 | drdo | themill: I'm not sure, it's still not clear to me exactly what the boundaries are between dpkg and apt |
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| 14:43.41 | themill | drdo: apt downloads stuff and works out what should be installed. dpkg installs it. |
| 14:43.59 | drdo | themill: No, really? :P |
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| 14:44.30 | Flo151 | Hallo |
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| 14:44.37 | Flo151 | Und zwar hab ich Debian Lenny 64bit (5) Ist es sinnvoll auf Debian 6 (Squeeze) upzugraden oder kann ich noch lenny laufen lassen`? |
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| 14:45.03 | dvs | !de |
| 14:45.04 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:45.13 | Flo151 | oh sorry dont know. |
| 14:45.30 | themill | Flo151: you should upgrade to squeeze; lenny is no longer a supported release and hasn't been for a few months now |
| 14:45.47 | Flo151 | ok thank you for your information. |
| 14:45.55 | Flo151 | it is easy to upgrade it? |
| 14:45.56 | drdo | gnarface: By the way, dpkg (the bot) gave me a broken link (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), thought i might point that out |
| 14:46.07 | drdo | Actually nevermind |
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| 14:46.18 | Flo151 | or should i do a new install |
| 14:46.22 | drdo | It was just emacs that decided the ")" was part of the link |
| 14:46.52 | fasta | How can I get my multimedia keys working in KDE? |
| 14:47.15 | themill | fasta: setting the keyboard layout correctly in system settings is normally enough |
| 14:47.23 | themill | dpkg: tell Flo151 about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:47.40 | themill | Flo151: read and follow the release notes, upgrading should be quite simple. |
| 14:49.10 | fasta | themill: I have already seen it working, but I don´t know what I have done to disable it. |
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| 14:49.51 | fasta | themill: Pause/play do work. |
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| 14:52.08 | fasta | themill: kmix wasn't running. |
| 14:52.13 | fasta | themill: it seems to work now. |
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| 14:56.49 | aso001 | I have a debian webserver with standard repositories... It has apache 2.2.16 and php 5.3.3... During a securitymetrics PCI compliance check, they informed me that I need to upgrade apache to greater than 2.2.21 and php to 5.3.10 or greater... what is the best way of doing that? standard aptitude update/upgrade does not do it.... do I need special repositories? |
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| 14:58.14 | ksk | ,versions apache2 |
| 14:58.16 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; sid: 2.2.22-4; wheezy: 2.2.22-4; experimental: 2.4.2-1 |
| 14:58.21 | themill | aso001: the usual approach is to cluebat your auditor until they understand that version numbers don't tell you if something is actually vulnerable or not. These will hopefully give you enough information to perform said cluebatting: /msg dpkg security backports; /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
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| 14:58.32 | mparodi_ | Hello |
| 14:59.00 | mparodi_ | the sound stopped working! this is the output of alsa-utils restart http://paste.kde.org/464204 |
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| 14:59.13 | mparodi_ | I believe it happened during the last upgrade I did |
| 14:59.15 | ksk | what themill says. just cuz the debian packages version is lower then "project release XX" it doens not mean that its not patched by debian against $foo |
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| 15:00.07 | themill | aso001: "backported security patch" and "false positive" are words you should throw around ;) |
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| 15:01.22 | aso001 | yea, I will email them and see what they say. |
| 15:01.50 | aso001 | I though that all security patches were incorporated into the debian packages |
| 15:01.54 | aso001 | thought |
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| 15:03.25 | mparodi_ | fixed (I guess) |
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| 15:04.32 | hroi | hi |
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| 15:04.59 | hroi | I want the standard commandline svn client, but I'm completely confused by the multitude of options under aptitude search svn |
| 15:05.09 | hroi | no package actually called svn |
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| 15:05.36 | gnarface | hroi: its spelled subversion |
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| 15:06.28 | hroi | gnarface: doh, thanks! |
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| 15:12.19 | bolt | themill: there's nothing in the files/ directory of the tar file i downloaded (http://www.infobot.org/src/infobot-0.45.3.tar.gz). can't find any reference to addressCharacter in the code either :/ |
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| 15:15.16 | themill | bolt: samples are in files/sample -- infobot is a "some assembly required" bot. (btw, perhaps a supybot would be a better choice?) |
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| 15:21.38 | swombat | can routing work properly when a bunch of VMs with IPs 78.47.50.x are being hosted by a dom0 with IP 176.9.157.y? |
| 15:21.56 | swombat | or is this IP configuration naturally not workable because they're not on the same subnet? |
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| 15:24.56 | gnarface | good question |
| 15:24.59 | gh0stn0te | 176.9.157.x will not be able to reach 78.47.50.x from a ip protocol point of view, you need to configure a nat between the vm and dom0 or change those ip to match the subnet, or change the subnet/wildcard to match the ips (but this is not a good solution) |
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| 15:26.22 | gh0stn0te | there are no physical layer that can substitute a more elevate layer like the ip protocol, personally tested with the vmware virtual switch architecture |
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| 15:30.14 | servilio | hi, besides the instructions in http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive do I need to do anything to be able to install packages from lenny? |
| 15:30.31 | bolt | themill: thanks :) |
| 15:30.37 | servilio | the Packages file isn't being downloaded at all, and no error messages about pop up |
| 15:31.02 | themill | servilio: lenny isn't receiving security support any more and is EOL... |
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| 15:31.28 | servilio | themill: I know, that's why I am using archive.debian.org |
| 15:31.44 | servilio | I need python2.4 for Plone3 development |
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| 15:32.10 | themill | plone ;( |
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| 15:32.39 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.4 |
| 15:32.40 | judd | Package: python2.4 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.4.6-1+lenny1 |
| 15:33.05 | jordanm | servilio: don't use the packages, just use python's altinstall |
| 15:33.12 | servilio | altinstall? |
| 15:33.25 | servilio | themill: Plone :) |
| 15:33.46 | servilio | themill: I have some old sites with Plone 3 |
| 15:34.05 | servilio | themill: new ones will be Plone 4, that supports Python 2.6 :) |
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| 15:34.16 | servilio | themill: Plone 4.2 will support 2.7, even better |
| 15:34.28 | themill | yeah, it's only been out for what 2 years now? |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | why would anyone deploy plone3 knowing it's built on a platform with no security support? |
| 15:34.46 | servilio | abrotman: not when it was deployed ;) |
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| 15:35.14 | abrotman | you're doing new dev though .. |
| 15:35.17 | abrotman | *cry* |
| 15:35.26 | servilio | abrotman: nope, update to add-ons |
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| 15:35.45 | servilio | we have custom add-ons for the university branding |
| 15:36.05 | servilio | and I need to update the sites that we have in Plone 3 |
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| 15:36.26 | servilio | to test the changes, I need Plone 2.4 in my wheezy/sid desktop |
| 15:36.51 | themill | please tell me you're at least working inside a chroot |
| 15:36.55 | servilio | I thought the easiest route would be to use archive.debian.org |
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| 15:37.39 | servilio | themill: would that solve my problem with apt not downloading the Packages files? |
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| 15:38.16 | servilio | themill: no, no chroot, I am just installing Python2.4, nothing else |
| 15:38.18 | themill | servilio: debootstrap should be able to work off archive.d.o quite happily. |
| 15:38.41 | themill | mixing lenny packages into your wheezy/sid desktop will lead to tears |
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| 15:41.11 | servilio | themill: well, generally that will happen, but I am only bringing in Python 2.4, and nothing in the system will be using it, it shouldn't be a biggie |
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| 15:41.53 | jordanm | make altinstall |
| 15:41.58 | servilio | it seemed way easier than having to update the build to work under the new package versions |
| 15:42.06 | servilio | jordanm: what does that do? |
| 15:42.28 | themill | servilio: you won't only bring in python 2.4 though... that's the problem |
| 15:42.32 | jordanm | servilio: its a source install which does not replace the system's default python |
| 15:42.50 | jordanm | check the documentation though, may have been introduced later than 2.4 |
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| 15:44.15 | oninoshiko | If I install testing is it possible to upgrade to stable when the next stable release is released? |
| 15:44.34 | servilio | jordanm: it would bring libssl0.9.8 and a couple of others maybe, nothing that anyone else will use |
| 15:44.54 | LoRez | oninoshiko: if you just set your sources to the name of testing, as it stabilizes you'll just stay on it |
| 15:45.12 | servilio | any way to tell apt-get to be more verbose to see why it is not fetching Packages? |
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| 15:46.53 | ksk | -v? :D |
| 15:47.28 | servilio | just tried using the sources to apt-get source python2.4, but wouldn't work either |
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| 15:47.42 | themill | servilio: can you pastebin your sources.list and the full output? |
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| 15:48.09 | servilio | themill: will do |
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| 15:49.20 | n0yd | hey guys, kind of my first go around with a ATI card. I got a T60 with a x1300 mobility. According to thinkwiki, radeon and radeonhd support this card, and even do 3d with newer mesa versions (i believe this was written a few years ago), im running sid. It also says the blob fglrx supports it, and from what I have read this will give the best performance, but I tried installing catalyst drivers, and it says I dont have a supported device. Any ideas? i |
| 15:49.21 | n0yd | m new to the ati/amd gfx game |
| 15:49.38 | n0yd | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_X1300 |
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| 15:53.19 | servilio | themill: lenny.list: http://paste.debian.net/165502/ and output of apt-get update at http://paste.debian.net/165503/ |
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| 15:56.14 | themill | servilio: you're going to need to set the -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=true config option on the update command line. See apt-get(1) and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz for details. (I still can't see this working out well....) |
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| 15:56.58 | servilio | themill: will try that |
| 15:57.12 | servilio | themill: I know there is a risk, but I am willing to take (for now) |
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| 15:57.45 | servilio | themill: won't be worst that when I spent two days in without X in 2004/5sh for running sid :) |
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| 15:58.59 | mooglenorph | Hi, on debian, how do I look for a particular Latex style file? |
| 15:59.24 | mooglenorph | I'm on squeeze with all the texlive-* packages installed |
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| 16:01.46 | servilio | themill: thanks a lot! that worked, though with false instead of true |
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| 16:02.05 | themill | err... yes |
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| 16:02.34 | Ramattack | Hi all! |
| 16:02.38 | cedr | 'lo |
| 16:02.58 | Ramattack | I'm doing some checks with Xen4 under Debian... but can't get access to the vnc console of a Windows 2008 HVM machine.... |
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| 16:04.00 | Ramattack | this is my config file |
| 16:04.02 | Ramattack | http://pastebin.com/R8zXuWy0 |
| 16:04.08 | Ramattack | can anyone know the reason? |
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| 16:05.15 | Woet | Ramattack: ##xen ? |
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| 16:05.52 | Ramattack | yep perhaps better Woet?... ok then... :) |
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| 16:15.58 | dFence | hey guys! can you point me towards a channel for hardware-topics? (have a question regarding a stone-age motherboard with a unknown lcd-connector and I need help identifying it) |
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| 16:17.19 | mooglenorph | nevermind... |
| 16:17.35 | mooglenorph | Ugh. Is there an easy way to search filenames of packages on the cli? Using aptitude? |
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| 16:18.27 | jordanm | !tell mooglenorph about apt-file |
| 16:18.35 | jordanm | dFence: ##hardware |
| 16:18.38 | mooglenorph | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 16:19.04 | dFence | jordanm: that was way to easy ;) thx! |
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| 16:24.36 | Dudytz | hi all, how to view the version of YAML in use with PHP in debian ? |
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| 16:28.44 | zwerg | Hello there. |
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| 16:29.00 | cedr | 'lo |
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| 16:30.05 | zwerg | I just installed Eclipse on unstable but it won't start. In the log it complains about missing "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench". Any clues? |
| 16:30.07 | Eleven_Cool | Can someone recommend an open source VPS for Deb? |
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| 16:30.55 | alex- | vps? |
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| 16:32.17 | cedr | Eleven_Cool: openvz |
| 16:32.31 | cedr | if you're just making linux cts |
| 16:32.49 | Eleven_Cool | how does that compare to xen? |
| 16:34.33 | XReaper | xen if you want guaranteed resources |
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| 16:34.50 | daemon | hey all how do I change the default BLOCKTYPE in debian for all users |
| 16:34.55 | daemon | I think its blocktype |
| 16:35.01 | daemon | I want MB instead of k in things like top |
| 16:35.05 | daemon | or M |
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| 16:36.11 | cedr | kvm > xen |
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| 16:36.45 | Eleven_Cool | @cedr: Why do you think so? |
| 16:37.45 | somiaj | daemon: that is going to be a per application configuration. 'man top' for instances |
| 16:37.55 | daemon | damnit |
| 16:38.00 | daemon | thank you somiaj |
| 16:38.19 | somiaj | I know things like ls and df, the -h flag is usefl (human readable) |
| 16:38.31 | somiaj | ls -lh and df -h |
| 16:38.53 | Slayerduck | Im clueless about this, one of my servers is recieving 2.5MB/s of traffic and when i do a netstat -n i only see like 4 ips. Output of netstat -st | grep SYN shows that so far i send 100 milion SYN cookies send and only 5 milion received. I reinstalled the machine but once i put it back on the internet it goes boom again. irq is using 100% cpu. Halp :< |
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| 16:40.00 | somiaj | appertanlly top does that already, memory ussage usees Kb, Mb or Gb depending on amount of memeory installed |
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| 16:40.14 | daemon | somiaj, yep I want to enforce Mb |
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| 16:41.21 | somiaj | don't see where that is configurable in the manpage, you may just be out of luck with top. You could check out say htop or atop (some other application) for such configuration |
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| 16:41.43 | daemon | ah it will be ok just unused to reading in k |
| 16:42.20 | daemon | mind you im also used to being able to define BLOCKTYPE so all applications follow the same measure -_- |
| 16:42.44 | ChibaPet | Anyone know if it's possible to type λ in Debian Squeeze, in consoles, terminals and such? I'm not finding a way to compose it. |
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| 16:43.17 | Eleven_Cool | Will Debian be just as good as a hosting server as centos? I am just fond of Debian for some reason, I havn't used it much, but there seems to be a small favor of CentOS among hosting providers. |
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| 16:43.24 | c_x | hi |
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| 16:43.51 | daemon | Eleven_Cool, when it coems to hosting windows is better than debian if you know howto secure windows better, likewise debiand is just as good or better than centos if you can secure it better :) |
| 16:43.51 | ChibaPet | If I switch on greek/polytonic I can get it, but I'd like to find a way to access that keymap through a modifier if there's no way to type λ directly in my default US layout. |
| 16:44.12 | c_x | Why wheezy no more have python-gtkmozembed ? What's the remplacement ? I can't find it... |
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| 16:45.44 | somiaj | daemon: well for shell users you can define the BLOCKTYPE env in say /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc (if they use bash) (though I think letting the users set that themselves in their $HOME/.bashrc is preferable). Though I'm unsure which applications will honor that env var. |
| 16:46.17 | daemon | Eleven_Cool, somiaj I also got it wrong it should be: BLOCKSIZE=K |
| 16:46.26 | somiaj | c_x: check the bts (bugs.debian.org) and the qa |
| 16:46.29 | karlpinc | Eleven_Cool: You have to upgrade debian more often, but then you get newer stuff. Use scientific linux over centos, they've a better security/performance record. |
| 16:47.31 | somiaj | Eleven_Cool: define better? Depends on what applications/versions and management tools you want. I don't think centos vs debian has a 'better', they both do things slightly differently and I would say stick to what you (or the other admins) know. |
| 16:47.50 | daemon | somiaj, and top ignores the env anyway :( |
| 16:48.00 | daemon | kicks linux top out the window |
| 16:48.04 | somiaj | daemon: yea, as I said its a per application setting. |
| 16:49.21 | Eleven_Cool | Better in my case means better as a web hosting server with VPS |
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| 16:50.05 | c_x | somiaj: I can't find anything in bugs.debian.org :-/ |
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| 16:50.16 | karlpinc | Eleven_Cool: Definatly debian then, because debian's got more letters in it's name than centos. |
| 16:50.24 | somiaj | Eleven_Cool: again, most likely depends what you are more familar with managing. I like debian myself, but I don't think that makes it better or worse than centos |
| 16:50.49 | Eleven_Cool | I like Debian too, i have no experience with CentOS |
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| 16:52.48 | somiaj | Eleven_Cool: though may want to double check the version of say apache, mysql and/or php. For a web hosting server that could be a deciding factor |
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| 16:53.05 | somiaj | c_x: well you do run testing, expect things to change and learn the tools to figure it out. here check these two links |
| 16:53.21 | somiaj | c_x: http://packages.qa.debian.org/gnome-python-extras and http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-python-extras/gnome-python-extras_2.25.3-11/changelog |
| 16:53.46 | somiaj | seems the changelog says they removed the module you wanted but they don't say why, you can sometimes track down such things in the bts or mailing lists if you are so inclined |
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| 16:54.32 | DeeTah | is there any nice way to encrypt a root filesystem of my debian? i'd like my laptop to ask for password every bootup. |
| 16:54.44 | Eleven_Cool | I could just compile from source to get the latest versions of AMP instead of using the repo though couldn't I? |
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| 16:55.19 | Eleven_Cool | I know i can for PHP, not sure if MySQL & Apache have source downloads |
| 16:56.08 | c_x | ok somiaj. That's bad news for me ! |
| 16:56.11 | DeeTah | or should I reinstall the system to have it nice and clean? |
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| 16:58.16 | Eleven_Cool | I'm going with Debian and KVM :) Ty for all of the great feedback! |
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| 16:58.40 | karlpinc | !tell DeeTah about luks |
| 16:58.57 | DeeTah | karlpinc: thanks, i'll google it out |
| 16:59.04 | karlpinc | DeeTah: You can setup encryption of the root fs in the installer. |
| 16:59.18 | DeeTah | well, im past that |
| 16:59.21 | DeeTah | unless i really have to |
| 16:59.28 | DeeTah | i'd love not to have to reinstall. |
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| 16:59.42 | karlpinc | DeeTah: Then it's backup and restore time. |
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| 17:00.00 | DeeTah | you mean, not really an other option? |
| 17:01.01 | karlpinc | DeeTah: Not really. You encrypt, then add data. You could create a new root fs, encrypted, and copy the old. But that's virtually backup/restore. |
| 17:01.15 | karlpinc | DeeTah: You also need an unencrypted /boot. |
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| 17:01.22 | DeeTah | oh well. |
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| 17:01.45 | DeeTah | i'm a bit worried about my configs, it's gonna take looots of time to restore them all |
| 17:01.56 | DeeTah | i bet i'll screw things up if I just copy my /etc |
| 17:01.58 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
| 17:02.00 | Ramattack | bye!! |
| 17:02.05 | karlpinc | DeeTah: Backup/restore is a good thing. You need backups, and you need to know they restore. |
| 17:02.18 | DeeTah | yeah, I get it |
| 17:02.29 | graytron | which package in Debian contains partman? (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs05.html.en) |
| 17:02.33 | DeeTah | it's just it's way more than restoring, it's selective restoring :P |
| 17:03.04 | DeeTah | graytron: looked for it with apt-file? |
| 17:03.06 | karlpinc | DeeTah: Not necessairly, you could restore the whole fs. |
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| 17:03.47 | giantkiar | hi there |
| 17:04.14 | graytron | DeeTah: DeeTah yes |
| 17:04.34 | DeeTah | so, well, how do I do it, karlpinc? |
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| 17:05.20 | somiaj | DeeTah: you need to set up an encrypted partition. Now if you want to install a fresh debian on this partition or copy over your current install is a matter of choice (Though you will have to configure it either way to be able to access the partition) |
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| 17:05.53 | DeeTah | okay, and when I have the partition, grub will ask me for password? |
| 17:06.15 | karlpinc | DeeTah: You back up the fs. You boot from an alternate media and encrypt the partition(s), repartitioning to create a /boot if necessary. You create the fs(s). And then, still booted from the alternate media, you restore. |
| 17:06.17 | somiaj | afiak yes. Something I have only read about. |
| 17:06.41 | karlpinc | DeeTah: The initramfs asks for the password. |
| 17:06.49 | DeeTah | oh. that's how it works. fine. |
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| 17:06.53 | DeeTah | sounds okay. ;) |
| 17:07.10 | DeeTah | i guess i'll have to hack something up after encrypting anyway, isn't it? |
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| 17:08.33 | karlpinc | DeeTah: I think you'll only need to run "update-initramfs -u" from, say, the install disk rescue mode. (Or after booting from something else and chrooting.) |
| 17:09.29 | DeeTah | okay |
| 17:09.31 | DeeTah | sounds awesome |
| 17:09.35 | DeeTah | thank you so much :) |
| 17:09.41 | karlpinc | DeeTah: In other words, after the restore you need to change the initramfs so it knows about the encryption. There's probably an article on the debian wiki. ? |
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| 17:12.39 | DeeTah | will it be a pain to change the password in the future? |
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| 17:13.46 | karlpinc | DeeTah: No. "man cryptsetup" Note that there are 8 password "slots", so 8 possible passwords. |
| 17:13.59 | DeeTah | i'd prefer the old one not to work then. |
| 17:14.10 | DeeTah | i mean, they won't, right? |
| 17:14.28 | karlpinc | DeeTah: Right, you can have 8 "current" ones. |
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| 17:14.43 | DeeTah | alright |
| 17:14.54 | DeeTah | i wonder how it's implemented so the key doesn't change |
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| 17:15.22 | karlpinc | DeeTah: See the <luks> factoid url. There's a paper if you want to read it on the site. |
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| 17:15.39 | DeeTah | okay ;) |
| 17:16.03 | DeeTah | thanks karlpinc, you've been very helpful :) |
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| 17:24.31 | rical | is it possible to do something like tar -zcf foo.tar.gz -C /foobar/ * ? see where I'm going at? I want all the files in /foobar without the path |
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| 17:27.20 | SupYoshi | Hi ive a question, I just installed an SSD, however i cannot see it with df -h |
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| 17:28.43 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: Did you partition it and put filesystems on it? |
| 17:28.52 | SuperNull | uhg, upgrading to squeezy |
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| 17:28.57 | SuperNull | crosses his everything |
| 17:29.12 | karlpinc | SuperNull: Read the release notes? (!) |
| 17:29.42 | klys | SuperNull: don't upgrade grub |
| 17:29.45 | SuperNull | WE DONT HAVE TIME THIS IS THE INTERNET ! |
| 17:29.47 | SupYoshi | karplinc: not yet |
| 17:29.50 | SuperNull | haha |
| 17:29.52 | SupYoshi | its brand new |
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| 17:30.11 | SupYoshi | How do I do that if i dont know the name ;) |
| 17:30.20 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: Then you can't expect df (display filesystems) to see something that's not a filesystem. |
| 17:30.21 | SupYoshi | Im googlin on it but not getting much smarter |
| 17:30.24 | somiaj | rical: I would do tar -zvf ../foo.tar.gz * (while in the dir you want to tar up) |
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| 17:30.26 | SupYoshi | hehe ;) I see |
| 17:30.30 | SupYoshi | Thanks mate ;P |
| 17:30.35 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: dmesg |
| 17:30.38 | SupYoshi | Any idea how I find out... |
| 17:30.39 | SupYoshi | Thanks |
| 17:30.46 | rical | somiaj: well, yes, that will work but its not clean |
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| 17:31.19 | SupYoshi | is used to examine or control the kernal? |
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| 17:31.39 | prefixed | is it possible to downgrade form wheezy to squeeze? |
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| 17:32.10 | SupYoshi | got it ;) |
| 17:32.18 | SupYoshi | however.. :P thats alot of info let me try |
| 17:32.35 | klys | supyoshi: dmesg | tail, fdisk, mount |
| 17:32.38 | somiaj | rical: what do you mean not clean? |
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| 17:32.50 | karlpinc | !tell prefixed about downgrade |
| 17:33.05 | SupYoshi | thanks ;) |
| 17:33.07 | SupYoshi | klys |
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| 17:33.09 | SupYoshi | or anyone ;) |
| 17:33.12 | SupYoshi | any tips for the SSD |
| 17:33.19 | gh0stn0te | hi |
| 17:33.21 | SupYoshi | how do you check if trim is activated and so? in linux |
| 17:33.23 | prefixed | hm |
| 17:33.51 | karlpinc | !tell SupYoshi about 4kb |
| 17:34.02 | somiaj | rical: the problem with your approach is '*' is filled out by the shell, so you could confuse tar when you do the * in your command and then change tot he directory before the archive |
| 17:34.23 | rical | somiaj: thats true |
| 17:34.43 | karlpinc | rical: Or, use $(ls /foobar) to generate the list of what's in the directory. |
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| 17:35.36 | karlpinc | rical: But that's not entirely general due to possible command line length limits. |
| 17:35.47 | rical | well, just doing cd /path/ tar -zcf foobar.tar.gz in a subshell will work |
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| 17:36.03 | rical | cd /path/ && tar ....... |
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| 17:36.27 | SupYoshi | mhm |
| 17:36.28 | somiaj | rical: though you may want to say /path/to/foobar.tar.gz if you don't want the tar generated in yoru cwd |
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| 17:36.56 | SupYoshi | so what do i do about this 4kb problem? |
| 17:37.05 | SupYoshi | check if my kernal is ready? |
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| 17:38.23 | SupYoshi | Klys: I did the dmesg | tail, but I dont see anything relevant to the SSD? http://pastebin.com/QgW3tfja |
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| 17:39.34 | klys | supyoshi: do it after inserting the device |
| 17:39.43 | SupYoshi | it is inserted |
| 17:39.46 | klys | supyoshi: actually don't |
| 17:39.47 | SupYoshi | rebooted it even :) |
| 17:39.50 | SupYoshi | oh |
| 17:39.51 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: Make sure your partitions are 4kb aligned. I think. Probably it'll all happen for you, but it's possible mess up. |
| 17:39.52 | SupYoshi | what? |
| 17:40.03 | SupYoshi | ehhh |
| 17:40.04 | klys | supyoshi: lspci -vvv | less |
| 17:40.09 | SupYoshi | ok thanks! one sec |
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| 17:40.48 | SupYoshi | okay did that |
| 17:40.51 | SupYoshi | wait i will just reboot it |
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| 17:45.41 | SupYoshi | nothing |
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| 17:45.44 | SupYoshi | just info about the network |
| 17:46.45 | SupYoshi | http://pastebin.com/PncXAn7b |
| 17:47.05 | SupYoshi | oh wait need sudo |
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| 17:48.14 | SupYoshi | http://pastebin.com/my9EdtVL there is the SAndy Bridge my SSD? |
| 17:48.20 | SupYoshi | (The server is dedicated rented) |
| 17:48.26 | SupYoshi | so i cant see what brand it is and so |
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| 17:49.58 | lavamind | hello, I'm having problems with a physical Debian 6 server : every few days the system seems to hang, I cant connect with SSH and though TTYs seem to function normally, I can't login (after entering the username, the password prompt never appears) -- syslog and console messages don't offer any clues as to whats going on |
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| 17:51.50 | lavamind | I tried stopping all services except rsyslog and ssh, in hopes of pinpointing the problem to a malfunctioning process, but have been unsuccessful so far -- memtest doesn't report any problem -- I'm using the latest 3.2 backported kernel |
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| 17:53.10 | lavamind | I also tried using SysRqD, and though I'm not sure I could interpret every peice of data I got from it, nothing seemed out of place |
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| 17:54.45 | lavamind | so... would anyone care to share tips on how to identify problems on an unresponding Debian system ? |
| 17:55.14 | jelly-home | is there a sufficiently silly active-active SMTP+IMAP storage and server solution, where two node can receive mail and users can read mail form both, while they sync just the storage in both directions? |
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| 17:56.14 | jelly-home | lavamind: do you have console access? |
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| 17:56.27 | lavamind | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:56.36 | klys | top |
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| 17:57.26 | lavamind | klys: I have console access but I can't login, and previously logged-in shells become unresponsive |
| 17:57.31 | jelly-home | lavamind: are you already logged in as root with a reasonably responsive root shell? |
| 17:57.36 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 17:57.52 | jelly-home | lavamind: monitor disk and memory usage, for a start. |
| 17:57.57 | klys | supyoshi: does dmesg say anythong about sda/sdb or hda/hdb ? |
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| 17:58.35 | jelly-home | lavamind: do you have a HDD activity LED on the machine and is it active? :-) |
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| 17:58.43 | lavamind | jelly-home: I have, with Munin, and I could detect nothing suspect like growing swap or IO |
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| 17:59.20 | lavamind | jelly-home: HDD leds are off, network leds continue to flash 'normally' |
| 17:59.29 | jelly-home | lavamind: hm, might still be too fast for munin's sampling frequency |
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| 17:59.34 | klys | screen |
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| 18:00.23 | jelly-home | lavamind: after a reboot, do you see munin stopped updating during that time as well? |
| 18:01.04 | lavamind | jelly-home: yes, nothing is logged from the time the server stops responding |
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| 18:01.33 | jelly-home | lavamind: you could try setting up remote syslog and see if anything interesting appears |
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| 18:01.49 | lavamind | jelly-home: since last reboot I've adjusted kernel.printk so mroe infos gets printed on the console |
| 18:02.32 | jelly-home | lavamind: you wouldn't by any chance be able to pastebin some of that console stuff? |
| 18:02.37 | lavamind | jelly-home: the only this I can do when the system hangs is switch ttys, enter a login name, and use sysrq |
| 18:03.01 | lavamind | jelly-home: the system is still running, so I don't have that info yet |
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| 18:03.22 | jelly-home | lavamind: if you sysrq-K (SAK) on a tty, say tty2, does the getty login: prompt reappear? |
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| 18:03.53 | jelly-home | lavamind: try it on a tty where you already wrote in a username and got stuck |
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| 18:05.07 | lavamind | jelly-home: I haven't tried that particular sysrq function, do you think it would work with sysrqd (sysrq over telnet, because my console keyboard doesn't seem to be able to send a sysrq signal) |
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| 18:05.23 | hoverbear | Hey all. (Debian Wheezy) I'm trying to get gnome to auto-login, and I go into settings, and set it, on reboot, it resets to off. |
| 18:05.38 | jelly-home | lavamind: it's hard to say if sysrqd would work at all |
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| 18:06.09 | lavamind | jelly-home: it does work, for example I can launch oom-killer (with inconclusive results) |
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| 18:07.23 | h2p | Has anyone here ever done stuff with VOIP? I am a computer science student looking for an internship, and got contacted by a company that says they are a VOIP company that makes configurations for phones, uses spreadsheets and visio to make designs, and talks to customers sets up phone systems forthem. Is this a good internship for a CS student or is it a waste of time? |
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| 18:07.49 | jelly-home | lavamind: I have no idea which tty SAK would kill processes from if triggered that way |
| 18:08.01 | hoverbear | h2p: Sounds like you're not doing to do much programming |
| 18:08.34 | lavamind | jelly-home: it seems to affect the currently-displayed tty on the physical console, since messages appear there |
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| 18:09.15 | jelly-home | lavamind: that's probably just kernel. switch to tty1 and see if you got a prompt |
| 18:09.57 | SuperNull | did someone say dont do grub 2.0 upgrade on dist-upgrade to squeeze ? |
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| 18:10.39 | lavamind | jelly-home: I'll try that, and also leaving open a shell running top, and setting up remote syslog |
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| 18:16.46 | karlpinc | h2p: That's not a debian question. You might try #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:17.31 | karlpinc | SuperNull: If you follow the release notes it won't upgrade automatically. |
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| 18:18.06 | karlpinc | SuperNull: Eventually you'll have to upgrade, before wheezy I think. |
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| 18:18.31 | SuperNull | i did it.. but didnt do the dependancy upgrade.. screw having to fix all those fubars |
| 18:18.51 | SuperNull | the uhm.. boot .. dependance speed upgrade bs. aka.. threaded loading of stuff that can be. |
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| 18:19.47 | SuperNull | just the upgrade and other stuff put mysql to listening on local only :-( and useing the original source folder for the data.. that was moved to a seperate partition. |
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| 18:20.00 | SuperNull | oddly im pretty sure it didnt ask me to use old or new. |
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| 18:23.58 | pcormack | SuperNull: the default would be to keep the existing |
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| 18:24.19 | pcormack | is there a my.conf.dpkg or similar? |
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| 18:24.49 | SuperNull | eh i dunno i just fixed it and went on. |
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| 18:25.40 | somiaj | pcormack: what do you mean my my.conf.dpkg? What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:26.29 | pcormack | asking if his upgrade backed up his config file |
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| 18:27.27 | somiaj | ahh yea, yea debconf should backit up before it replaces it, might call it my.conf.orig or something like that as well |
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| 18:27.39 | pcormack | yup |
| 18:27.40 | somiaj | (the .dpkg is usually the matianers version that ships with the package) |
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| 18:29.35 | SuperNull | final reboot |
| 18:29.41 | SuperNull | aka final repairs lol |
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| 18:35.02 | SuperNull | hurm. |
| 18:35.10 | SuperNull | mysqld_safe has disappeareed. |
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| 18:37.26 | iandalton | Can one tune a trackpad's sensitivity? Or do trackpads ever use non-free drivers? Since moving to Debian, my Dell D630's trackpad is not working as well. |
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| 18:40.21 | karlpinc | SuperNull: Don't know what happens with mysql, but with postgres you get both the old and new installed and there are upgrade instructions in the <readme.debian>. |
| 18:40.28 | karlpinc | !tell SuperNull about readme.debian |
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| 18:43.12 | phoohb | I cant boot up my AMD. Grub says "error: no such partition".. cant load WindowsXP ether. Same error message, though I have correct parameters. |
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| 18:43.44 | klys | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:43.55 | SuperNull | think i got it. this 'aint' my first rodeo with mysql upgrade on debian ;-) |
| 18:44.05 | SuperNull | i swear it almost always fails to start after upgrade with mysql. |
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| 18:44.16 | SuperNull | esp with custom options. |
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| 18:45.31 | klys | phoohb: get woody resc1440.bin on a floppy or use a debian live cd such as knoppix |
| 18:45.33 | SupYoshi | guys |
| 18:45.37 | SuperNull | floppy lol |
| 18:45.50 | SupYoshi | What is the advice for the partition alliging of a Vertex 3 120 GB? |
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| 18:46.32 | phoohb | klys: I have a rescue thing (ubuntu) dono what todo, tested updated the system (after a chroot thing) didnt help |
| 18:47.11 | klys | phoohb: were your partitions cylinder aligned? I seem to recall a debian package for detecting partitions |
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| 18:48.05 | phoohb | ((it was an ordinary apt-upgrade that rendered my system unbootable) cant see any similar bugreport, yet. -NOT the first time I having problem with GRUB |
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| 18:48.48 | klys | phoohb: you have an mbr problem, and you need a sector editor or something to see your partitions |
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| 18:50.05 | phoohb | klys: partitions are okey, and Grub is starting. BUT, grub cant be feed with anything, or maybe it can but no difference! |
| 18:50.49 | klys | phoohb: go to the grub commandline (push c); type root (hd0, then hit tab |
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| 18:51.25 | cusco | hi |
| 18:51.32 | cusco | how do disable screen blanking in gnome 3 |
| 18:51.33 | cusco | ? |
| 18:51.38 | cusco | I mean, gnome shell |
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| 18:51.48 | iandalton | If I wanted to get the same trackpad setup as on Ubuntu, couldn't I just boot an Ubuntu live CD, make sure I have the right driver via lsmod, and somehow get the X.Org mouse settings? Or is there more to it? |
| 18:51.52 | phoohb | klys: nothing, tab doesnt output anything |
| 18:52.04 | Escherial | hello; anyone happen to know of a tool for monitoring traffic coming out of my local http server? |
| 18:52.13 | klys | phoohb: try root (hd1, |
| 18:52.26 | Escherial | i want to examine the headers/body of the requests that i'm making/receiving |
| 18:52.43 | cusco | Escherial: wireshark |
| 18:53.11 | Escherial | will that work from the command line? |
| 18:53.19 | phoohb | klys: nothing on (hd1, [tab]. nada |
| 18:53.34 | Fah | Escherial: tcpdump ;) |
| 18:53.41 | klys | phoohb: it didn't detect your hard drive. is it IDE or SCSI? |
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| 18:54.25 | phoohb | klys: its a sata disk |
| 18:54.35 | karlpinc | Escherial: Capture input with tcpdump and feed it to wireshark where you've a gui. That's the easy way. |
| 18:55.11 | klys | phoohb: maybe the bios isn't passing this info on to grub: are you prompted to enter the bios at boot? |
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| 18:55.35 | SupYoshi | <cusco> |
| 18:55.37 | SupYoshi | klys |
| 18:55.44 | klys | ? |
| 18:55.44 | SupYoshi | http://pastebin.com/AprVG0Nw is this right? |
| 18:56.02 | SupYoshi | I cant set my Heads and Sectors |
| 18:56.05 | SupYoshi | I think |
| 18:56.23 | phoohb | klys: It worked for years, before. With grub. Had similar problems befor, but this time I cant find any clews in the bugreports.. |
| 18:56.24 | SupYoshi | I did fdisk -H32 -S32 /dev/sdc but... It does show that crap |
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| 18:56.44 | Escherial | cusco, Fah, karlpinc: hrm, thanks. i'm trying out tcpdump, but i sadly have little idea how to use it...i copied an example from the man page on selecting only traffic on port 80 and ignoring SYNs and ACKs, but it's unfortunately not printing the data in the packets themselves (despite specifying -v( |
| 18:56.49 | Escherial | er, -v) |
| 18:57.08 | klys | supyoshi: if yu hit `p' and it feeds you another prompt then yes |
| 18:57.20 | klys | s/yu/you/ |
| 18:57.24 | Escherial | something that understands http and prints it in a nice way would be good; if tcpdump is capable of that, it'd be even better |
| 18:57.55 | karlpinc | Escherial: Usually you use -w and write it to a file, then give the file to wireshark. Write everything passing to/from port 80. |
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| 18:58.07 | klys | phoohb: mebbe, are you using grub2 now? |
| 18:58.14 | karlpinc | Escherial: wireshark does the understanding, of tcp and http. |
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| 18:58.48 | karlpinc | Escherial: Don't ignore syns and acks. |
| 18:59.09 | SupYoshi | http://pastebin.com/ijQ3JVVf |
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| 18:59.12 | SupYoshi | like this? :D |
| 18:59.25 | phoohb | klys: yes I guess so, that grub thing are spreadout on alot of packages |
| 18:59.59 | klys | phoohb: I use grub, not grub2 |
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| 19:00.12 | phoohb | can I install a debian-385image on an AMD. Grub hates AMD! |
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| 19:00.40 | phoohb | can keepon having this problems with GRUB |
| 19:01.10 | klys | phoohb: my best advice is to make a boot disk |
| 19:01.13 | karlpinc | Escherial: You will also want to set the tcpdump snaplen (-s) to 1500 so you capture everything. (And you could pipe the raw output to nc/socat and feed that straight to wireshark over the network in real time, but that's just complication.) |
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| 19:02.04 | Escherial | karlpinc: that last part would be nice :) ok, i have a file containing the output, scp'd it over to my local machine so i can run wireshark on it, installed wireshark, and am about to open up the dump...hopefully it'll be interesting |
| 19:02.37 | phoohb | klys: klys : listen its verion 1.99-21 (thats what the title says anyway..... :/ |
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| 19:03.04 | klys | phoohb: then there should be no trouble unless you can spy out an error message |
| 19:03.20 | phoohb | may just aswell have bean version 1.999... |
| 19:03.55 | cusco | Escherial: tcpdump allows you to select the port 80 only |
| 19:04.19 | cusco | Escherial: and you can then use the captured file and open it with wireshark to analize it better |
| 19:04.21 | drzury998 | phrackware live? |
| 19:04.33 | drzury998 | nah place is empty |
| 19:04.33 | Escherial | cusco: right, i'm about there :) just waiting for wireshark to finish downloading |
| 19:04.46 | Escherial | i looked over the file in a text editor and i can see the http requests, so i think i'm good |
| 19:04.56 | Escherial | thanks for the help, everyone :) |
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| 19:06.48 | karlpinc | Escherial: wireshark can do nice things like thread a particular http request together. (I'm not so sure if it's smart enough to, say, filter on a partciular http cookie so you can see successive requests.) |
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| 19:09.08 | Escherial | karlpinc: would it be possible to somehow connect wireshark to my server via ssh and have the dump routed via nc/socat or something similar in realtime? |
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| 19:09.31 | Escherial | i can scp the dump file from my server, so i imagine this might be possible |
| 19:10.30 | ectospasm | I don't think wireshark works that way. You're essentially asking wireshark to read directly from a NIC in a different system. |
| 19:10.57 | thewanderer1 | you can send traffic via -w - in tcpdump, see the wireshark manpag |
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| 19:11.08 | thewanderer1 | manpage, even. it can read the tcpdump output for sure. |
| 19:11.24 | thewanderer1 | just remember to exclude SSH from the dumps, or else... |
| 19:11.30 | karlpinc | Escherial: I've not thought it through, but I'd "mkfifo" on each end and then use, socat probably, to connect the fifos. Then open the fifo with wireshark. Thing about nc is that it does things with eof that you might not want. I think. |
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| 19:11.52 | Escherial | yeah, i think just transferring it as binary data would be best... |
| 19:11.59 | everythingWorks | how do i search available packages in the terminal? |
| 19:12.11 | Escherial | hmm. this is all quite new to me, but i'll explore that. i don't see any reason for it not to work off the top of my head |
| 19:12.15 | everythingWorks | like "all packages which contain the name or description" "foo" |
| 19:12.25 | thewanderer1 | everythingWorks: apt-cache search foo |
| 19:12.29 | karlpinc | Escherial: Yah. Pipe the tcpdump -w - output to the fifo on the server end. |
| 19:12.37 | abrotman | everythingWorks: aptitude search '~dfoo' |
| 19:12.57 | klys | everythongWorks: apt-cache search <term> |
| 19:13.02 | everythingWorks | thanks :) |
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| 19:13.26 | abrotman | kids .. you should really learn aptitude search syntax :) |
| 19:13.36 | karlpinc | Escherial: Making the fifo's might not be necessary with socat. It does lots of stuff and will probably make them for you. But nc is simpler. Youse pays yer money an youse takes yer chances. |
| 19:13.42 | everythingWorks | the openjdk 7/8 is already out, but it just lists "openjdk6" packages? |
| 19:14.01 | karlpinc | Escherial: It can surely be made to work. |
| 19:14.06 | thewanderer1 | everythingWorks: stable is stable. no new packages go in. |
| 19:14.25 | karlpinc | Escherial: (Not pipe, redirect. (use >)) |
| 19:14.33 | karlpinc | Escherial: Er. >> |
| 19:14.53 | everythingWorks | thewanderer1: This may sound silly but: Debian philosophy is to only have absolutely stable, fully tested programs on the system? |
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| 19:14.58 | Arrick | hey all, I am trying to install the openfire software on a console install of squeeze, what would be recommended, the .deb or the tar.gz version |
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| 19:15.30 | karlpinc | everythingWorks: Not exactly. There's always bugs. The philosophy is to keep things from changing so you've a known set. |
| 19:15.35 | klys | everythingWorks: why would you want anything else? |
| 19:15.42 | Arrick | new question, how do i install a .deb package? |
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| 19:15.53 | everythingWorks | klys: to use new features and often better performance :) |
| 19:15.56 | karlpinc | everythingWorks: See the <stable> factoid. See also <introduction> and <overview> and <social policy>. |
| 19:16.06 | klys | everythingWorks: that's hype |
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| 19:16.11 | SupYoshi | what should i do with the last cylinder? |
| 19:16.18 | SupYoshi | on a SSD |
| 19:16.21 | SupYoshi | cut it off - 1? |
| 19:16.25 | SupYoshi | like the first cylinder on a SSD? |
| 19:16.30 | SupYoshi | (partitioning it) |
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| 19:16.36 | thewanderer1 | give it to third world or something... |
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| 19:16.57 | klys | suppyoshi: just hit <return> |
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| 19:17.36 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: Did you read the <4kb> urls? I think fdisk is doing the right thing, at least if you start at sector 62 instead of 61 -- unless the hardware is lying and is giving you off-by-one sectors. |
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| 19:18.22 | abrotman | Arrick: is that .deb intended for Debian or something else? |
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| 19:18.32 | Arrick | abrotman, it says debian on the site |
| 19:18.48 | Arrick | http://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/index.jsp |
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| 19:19.06 | Arrick | under openfire 3.7.1 it has an openfire deb |
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| 19:19.25 | abrotman | judd: versions openfire |
| 19:19.26 | judd | No package named 'openfire' was found in i386. |
| 19:19.31 | abrotman | hrm, thought it was in Debian |
| 19:19.58 | Arrick | no return on apt-cache search |
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| 19:20.19 | abrotman | i know prosody is .. |
| 19:20.29 | Arrick | is that similair? |
| 19:20.43 | abrotman | it's an XMPP server, not sure how simlilar |
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| 19:20.45 | Arrick | I am wanting to have a decent inhouse chat system that will work with MS LDAP for users |
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| 19:20.58 | Escherial | ok, i think we're almost good to go, except that i need to sudo tcpdump on the remote side...is there any way to do a sudo when invoking ssh on my local side? |
| 19:21.01 | thewanderer1 | "decent" with "MS LDAP"... hmmm... |
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| 19:21.07 | Escherial | e.g. "ssh me@remote.host sudo somecommand" |
| 19:21.14 | abrotman | Arrick: well, the chat part works fine .. not sure about the latter |
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| 19:21.20 | Arrick | lol |
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| 19:21.38 | abrotman | Arrick: i was doing auth against local users |
| 19:21.48 | Arrick | in windows? |
| 19:22.03 | abrotman | windows clients, prosody on Debian |
| 19:22.08 | Arrick | o |
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| 19:22.22 | karlpinc | Escherial: The "right way" is to use a public/private key pair and login directly as root, with restrictions in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys so command="tcpdump...." and probably no-pty and so forth. Just go straight to root without sudo and without a password. |
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| 19:23.24 | karlpinc | Escherial: The trouble with sudo is the asking for a password part, especially if you're feeding the output elsewhere. |
| 19:23.36 | klys | arrick: debian/s openldap stuff is probably compatible, what do you want for chat? my project is hmce: hierarchical multi-cursor editor |
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| 19:23.40 | Escherial | right, that's logical...i'll try root, then |
| 19:24.03 | karlpinc | Escherial: But I like the ssh approach, you can redirect the output straight to a fifo and avoid nc/socat entirely. |
| 19:24.05 | SupYoshi | guys how am i suposed to do this stride = chunk (Sector size) / block size = 512Kb / 4K = 128? |
| 19:24.11 | SuperNull | err anyone know if dpkg has any notes to send me regarding un-authed package bitchin.. |
| 19:24.24 | SuperNull | most specifically how to stop it. |
| 19:24.29 | abrotman | SuperNull: for dpkg or apt ? |
| 19:24.36 | Arrick | klys, Well, currently my users logon to the google crapware, and use the google chatcrap there, and I am migrating them to our internal exchange environment next week, and wish to allow single signon with an internal chat system. |
| 19:24.40 | karlpinc | Escherial: "man sshd" |
| 19:24.52 | SuperNull | dpkg the bot ;) |
| 19:24.53 | dpkg | SuperNull: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:24.57 | abrotman | Arrick: why not just use Communicator ? |
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| 19:25.04 | abrotman | SuperNull: yes .. i know the bot .. which package manager? |
| 19:25.08 | Arrick | abrotman, not free? |
| 19:25.13 | SuperNull | apt-get |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | Arrick: neither is exchange? |
| 19:25.25 | thewanderer1 | nor MS LDAP... nor Windows :P |
| 19:25.27 | Arrick | yeah, exchange was bought by the county, not my department... |
| 19:25.29 | abrotman | SuperNull: did you man apt-get and search for 'auth' ? |
| 19:25.31 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 19:25.36 | Arrick | its department specific, lol |
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| 19:25.40 | klys | arrick: are you aware google chat is a prereq at android.com ? |
| 19:25.58 | Arrick | klys, I could care less, we all use iphones, lol |
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| 19:26.45 | abrotman | Arrick: anyway .. the guys in #prosody were pretty helpful when i was doing it |
| 19:26.51 | burhan | guys I am looking for a tool like psi-probe (http://psi-probe.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/Features/context-list.png) - for other process managers (like supervisord) and nginx? |
| 19:27.08 | Arrick | the whole 2 of them abrotman ? |
| 19:27.24 | SuperNull | abrotman only see stuff regarding ignoring unauthed... is the package it self the problem or am i missing some kind of key to validate it? |
| 19:27.29 | abrotman | burhan: monit? runit? |
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| 19:27.36 | abrotman | SuperNull: probably |
| 19:27.38 | burhan | the goal is to have a web console that can show me the current status of various wsgi processes running via supervisord and nginx performance. |
| 19:27.44 | abrotman | SuperNull: you didn't show me the error, so i have no idea |
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| 19:28.00 | SupYoshi | Can someone help me how do I format a partition on linux? |
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| 19:28.13 | burhan | SupYoshi: fdisk ? |
| 19:28.17 | SupYoshi | Doing these commands? stride = chunk (Sector size) / block size = 512Kb / 4K = 128 doing the 4k blocks? |
| 19:28.18 | abrotman | SuperNull: fdisk and mkfs |
| 19:28.24 | SupYoshi | http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2012/01/11/linux-ssd-partition-alignment-tips/ im doign this one ;) |
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| 19:28.42 | abrotman | oh, he means partition, not format ? |
| 19:28.46 | karlpinc | abrotman, burhan : SupYoshi has a ssd and wants to make sure he's 4kb aligned. |
| 19:28.54 | Arrick | abrotman, can you point me to the jre install for squeeze? |
| 19:29.25 | Black_Prince | apt-get install sun-java6-jre ... enable non-free first. 6u24 latest I think. |
| 19:29.41 | SupYoshi | I partitioned it |
| 19:29.49 | SupYoshi | But now I need to format the partition but it tells me to do this |
| 19:29.50 | jelly-home | !tell Arrick about install java |
| 19:29.53 | klys | default-jre |
| 19:29.56 | Arrick | thanks |
| 19:29.58 | SupYoshi | stride = chunk (Sector size) / block size = 512Kb / 4K = 128 |
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| 19:30.10 | abrotman | !tell Arrick about install java |
| 19:30.13 | jelly-home | Black_Prince: that one has multiple security issues and is not recommended |
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| 19:30.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: dupe! |
| 19:30.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: i see it now :) |
| 19:30.31 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: You want a mkfs. either mke2fs with -j to make a ext3 fs, or mkfs.ext4 for an ext4 fs. (IIRC) |
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| 19:30.44 | nsadmin | is that part of superDUPEr? |
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| 19:31.47 | Arrick | yeah... I tried installing the .deb file for openfire and it stops, sun-java5-jre is not installed. sun-java6-jre is not installed. default-jre-headless is not installed. |
| 19:32.24 | klys | SupYoshi: when running mkdosfs / mkfs.ext?, please supply the partition number as part of the device. |
| 19:33.09 | klys | Arrick: apt-get -f install <enter> |
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| 19:33.27 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: After that you add lines to /etc/fstab so your filesystems get mounted and you're done. |
| 19:33.36 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: There's also mkswap for swap partitions. |
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| 19:37.32 | abrotman | Arrick: that means the depends are broken for squeeze |
| 19:37.41 | Arrick | ok |
| 19:37.43 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java5-jre |
| 19:37.44 | judd | Package: sun-java5-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1.5.0-22-0lenny1 |
| 19:38.01 | abrotman | Arrick: prosody is worth a look .. |
| 19:38.15 | thewanderer1 | ,versions default-jre-headless |
| 19:38.16 | judd | Package: default-jre-headless on i386 -- lenny: 1.5-30; squeeze: 1:1.6-40; sid: 1:1.6-47; wheezy: 1:1.6-47 |
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| 19:39.15 | abrotman | you think that version will work ? |
| 19:39.20 | everythingWorks | is there a hotkey to switch between virtual desktops? |
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| 19:39.32 | Arrick | it allowed install |
| 19:39.36 | craigevil | sun-java6-jre is in Squeeze |
| 19:39.47 | abrotman | it's asking for java5 |
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| 19:40.05 | Arrick | I installed the headless, and then the deb dpkg'd |
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| 19:40.58 | craigevil | Arrick, any time dpkg gives those kind of errors try doing "apt-get -f install" |
| 19:41.04 | Arrick | ok |
| 19:41.29 | SupYoshi | http://pastebin.com/XRnTBmdF |
| 19:41.32 | SupYoshi | what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:41.42 | SupYoshi | I cant format the partition :p because its zero space/ |
| 19:41.54 | themill | craigevil: recommending sun java isn't the best plan these days. Known vulnerabilities, won't be updated etc. |
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| 19:42.12 | craigevil | abrotman, finally got X working, only thing that would work was downgrading xserver-xorg-video-radeon to the version in testing |
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| 19:42.40 | craigevil | themill, right but the package he was trying to install called for it, it may or may not work with Openjdk |
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| 19:43.15 | abrotman | craigevil: file a regression bug |
| 19:43.23 | themill | craigevil: yeah, catch22, although it sounded like that package would accept default-jre-headless (which on most archs is openjdk) |
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| 19:44.31 | klys | supyoshi: fdisk /dev/sdc; t; 1; 82; w; q |
| 19:44.40 | SupYoshi | whats the difference? |
| 19:44.49 | SupYoshi | isnt it sdc1? |
| 19:44.52 | SupYoshi | sdc is the drive? |
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| 19:45.21 | klys | supyoshi: fdisk may even prompt you to delete that extended partition |
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| 19:45.57 | SupYoshi | ok |
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| 19:48.35 | SupYoshi | http://pastebin.com/nyD5GmQ2 |
| 19:48.38 | SupYoshi | Doesnt wor |
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| 19:50.43 | nsadmin | SupYoshi, ahh... for everything that doesn't work, this will fix you right up: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 19:51.02 | jackweb | Hello! I am wondering if something like spreadsheet in command line interface (for example using NCurses) exists... It would be a lot of fun to use it! Has anyone heard about that? |
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| 19:51.47 | nsadmin | jackweb, google for "curses spreadsheet" |
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| 19:52.04 | themill | jackweb: actually, I do recall such a thing being reviewed a while back on mentors.debian.net but I'm not sure if it made it into debian or not. It was pretty speshul code iirc. |
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| 19:52.29 | dkr | jackweb: lotus 1 2 3? ;) |
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| 19:53.20 | nsadmin | visicalc? |
| 19:53.22 | dkr | "GNU Oleo - A traditional terminal mode spreadsheet for UNIX/UNIX-like systems" -- |
| 19:53.37 | folo | Hello |
| 19:54.23 | jackweb | thank you for the answers |
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| 19:54.40 | SupYoshi | klys: it doesnt wanna work :p |
| 19:55.00 | cakehero | how do I permanently set an environment variable for a user? |
| 19:55.06 | cakehero | if i use export it only sets it for that session |
| 19:55.18 | cakehero | (for bash if that matters0 |
| 19:55.29 | Fah | put it in their .bash_profile or the system profile or their bashrc |
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| 19:55.38 | Fah | and its permanenttil they change it |
| 19:55.42 | cakehero | Fah ok thats what I suspected, thanks |
| 19:55.48 | cakehero | Fah just for my user so it's perfect |
| 19:56.05 | cakehero | does that get executed if I do SSH and just execute a command over SSH? |
| 19:56.08 | cakehero | but don't actually login? |
| 19:56.16 | abrotman | read the top of each file |
| 19:56.34 | abrotman | but if you need that variable to be set, write a wrapper script |
| 19:57.39 | klys | supyoshi: fdisk can create a primapry partition for you if you delete the extended partition |
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| 19:57.51 | SupYoshi | ok |
| 19:57.52 | klys | s/primapry/primary/ |
| 19:58.29 | SupYoshi | how to delete the partition? |
| 19:58.43 | klys | fdisk /dev/hdc; d; 1; q |
| 19:59.22 | SupYoshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.28 | SupYoshi | get commnads not found |
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| 19:59.56 | nsadmin | do you have logical partitions? if you delete the extended, you lose them |
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| 20:00.18 | scwizard | hello. I did "apt-get install xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies" |
| 20:00.29 | klys | SupYoshi: according to you, you have an fdisk which doesn't recognixe `d' as a command. did you hit `x'? if so hit `r' |
| 20:00.37 | scwizard | I came back to the computer many hours later, and I was confused and I thought it was shut down so I pressed the power button |
| 20:00.56 | scwizard | it turns out it was at one of those curses style configuration screens, |
| 20:01.09 | nsadmin | he's typing other stuff, not sure he's in fdisk, this all seems pretty weird |
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| 20:01.18 | scwizard | that it was shut down during such a thing, does it mean that not all the stuff installed? |
| 20:01.25 | cra_ | Hello, I`m a windows learner but after several years dabbling with linux, decided I want to try it properly. If I do want to learn more about linux and in particularly the programming and terminal use and commands, am I right in thinking that Debian is more for me than Ubuntu or are doesn`t it matter which I go for? |
| 20:01.26 | scwizard | if all the stuff did install, then how do I reconfigure the lot? |
| 20:01.31 | SupYoshi | im not in it |
| 20:01.34 | SupYoshi | Im just in the console |
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| 20:02.29 | nsadmin | cra_, you should always run what you want... you decide. debian is probably more stable than most |
| 20:02.47 | klys | supyoshi: fdisk /dev/sdc; d; 1; q |
| 20:03.19 | nsadmin | klys, the semis might be confusing |
| 20:03.24 | karlpinc | cra_: It probably does not matter a lot. We like debian of course, and think we provide superior support. (Although we won't help with not-debian problems like "how do I write a program".) |
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| 20:03.51 | cra_ | nsadmin - of course I decide, it is my computer. I`m asking which seems more likely the best for my desire to learn more about linux. Truth is, I`ve read about both debian and linux and I haven`t a clue what the difference really is! |
| 20:04.11 | cra_ | karlpinc - yes, that makes sense. |
| 20:04.12 | karlpinc | cra_: If you're new to debian explore the bot. Try typing "/msg dpkg overview" or "/msg dpkg introduction" or "/msg dpkg msg the bot" into your irc client for a private message from the bot. |
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| 20:05.11 | cra_ | excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is the bot? |
| 20:05.20 | karlpinc | cra_: Linux handles the hardware. The Linux distros collect software and make them work together. |
| 20:05.27 | karlpinc | !tell cra about dpkgbot |
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| 20:05.48 | karlpinc | cra_: I guess that didn't help. The bot is a program that talks irc. |
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| 20:06.09 | nsadmin | cra_, you might try a coupla different things, one, if you really want to get into the guts, you might try some sort of linux from scratch... now having said that, that's just for exploring, NOT real work. For that, use debian -stable-. |
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| 20:06.28 | nsadmin | these will give you two -wildly- different perspectives |
| 20:06.30 | cra_ | OK, that helped massively... so just to be clear. the world Linux refers to the part of the system controlling the hardware....Ubuntu, Debian are all distros? |
| 20:06.52 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 20:07.11 | karlpinc | cra_: IMO http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware is going to give you a good what's different in adminstering linux and MS windows. (But then I don't do MS windows so that'll give you an idea of how much my opinion is worth. :-) |
| 20:07.48 | nsadmin | and linux-from-scrach isn't a distro per se, because you get it going yourself, pretty much "without a net" |
| 20:08.15 | cra_ | please, don`t shoot me down because there seems lots of sites on this but what is the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? or certainly the main difference? |
| 20:08.34 | nsadmin | their purpose |
| 20:08.35 | karlpinc | dpkg: social contract |
| 20:08.36 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
| 20:08.47 | kuwrefem | on the same topic, which debian install media would you choose for him? |
| 20:08.54 | Fah | cra_: main differences? They are different organizations. It spirals out from there. |
| 20:09.02 | karlpinc | kuwrefem: Almost always the netinstall. |
| 20:09.11 | cra_ | nsadmin - yes I tried that a few nights ago using software in my windows setup to get together a linux package to try and mimic a raspberry pi |
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| 20:09.28 | karlpinc | dpkg: hard to use |
| 20:09.28 | dpkg | People say Debian is hard to use. This is because Debian emphasizes freedom so you must enable the installation of non-free software, like <flash>. See <overview>. |
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| 20:09.46 | kuwrefem | that's what i thought. he should hear that from you guys rather than me |
| 20:10.18 | nsadmin | that factoid isn't connecting well... |
| 20:10.26 | cra_ | why would it beharder to use? - not as good graphical interface / user interface? |
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| 20:10.40 | karlpinc | cra_: We're really about freedom, as in "can do anything". Other distro's want lots of users, or serve as a development platform for their products, or whatever. |
| 20:10.52 | cra_ | I have used Ubuntu a few years ago. |
| 20:11.05 | cra_ | right... so everything on Debian is totally free? |
| 20:11.09 | karlpinc | cra_: Not everything is enabled. E.g. debian abides by the law and does not allow your dvd player to play commerical dvds, by default. |
| 20:11.32 | nsadmin | cra_, the factoid claims people say it's hard to use because by default it's configured to let you install only free software |
| 20:11.45 | cra_ | huh...is my dvd player not allowed to play dvds by default??????? |
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| 20:12.00 | karlpinc | nsadmin: That might be a way to improve the factoid. |
| 20:12.12 | jackbrownhf | oo |
| 20:12.18 | cra_ | (what is factoid???) |
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| 20:12.27 | nsadmin | dpkg, factoid |
| 20:12.27 | dpkg | A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 20:12.34 | karlpinc | cra_: Yes. It's illegal. We can talk more about this in #debian-offtopic, because this channel is for support. |
| 20:13.17 | cra_ | oops...I`ll move over there... |
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| 20:13.55 | Warptwist | Just a quick question... How hard is it to move a complete Deabian system to a new harddisk? |
| 20:14.04 | nsadmin | cra_, I'd say debian stable is where you want to do actual work, and programming and learning how |
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| 20:14.35 | nsadmin | Warptwist, pretty easy... might take awhile |
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| 20:14.58 | gnarface | Warptwist: *very* easy if you have lots of time and the new disk is identical in size or larger to the old one |
| 20:15.06 | Warptwist | Can you please outline the steps needed, or point me to some reading material about it? |
| 20:15.30 | tremon | Warptwist: depending on what you want to achieve, trivial to moderately easy |
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| 20:15.40 | nsadmin | the steps depend on your setup, what the drives are and where each is located |
| 20:15.51 | tremon | Warptwist: what is your goal? |
| 20:15.52 | karlpinc | Warptwist: backup old stuff. Partition new disk. Put fs on new partitions. Restore. |
| 20:15.52 | gnarface | Warptwist: well there's two primary manual methods: 1) dd the whole damned disk. 2) partition manually and just copy the contents of the old disk with tar or something |
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| 20:16.23 | Warptwist | I want to move my complete system from my old ~20GB ATA disk to a new ~30GB SATA disk. |
| 20:16.35 | gnarface | Warptwist: the only big gotcha if you know the basics of file and partition management is that the second method will also require you re-configure grub. the first one will preserve your mbr so that's not necessary |
| 20:16.40 | nsadmin | (2) is strongly recommended most of the time |
| 20:16.54 | karlpinc | Warptwist: If you want the new disk to be in a different box you also have to update the initramfs (update-initramfs -u) while running on the new hardware, and perhaps install different packges with the necessary drivers/firmware. |
| 20:16.58 | nsadmin | Warptwist, where are the disks? |
| 20:17.05 | gnarface | 2 is also a lot faster typically (user latency aside) |
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| 20:17.39 | Warptwist | I have the box right next to me, and one disk is in the box, the other is on my table :) |
| 20:17.45 | nsadmin | how many partitions? do you want to try LVM? are they both "on"? |
| 20:17.54 | karlpinc | Warptwist: (If you've prepared ahead of time and are using lvm you can even do the whole thing while still running. But you wouldn't have to ask if you were using lvm.) |
| 20:18.02 | nsadmin | so the other is not connected? |
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| 20:18.14 | Warptwist | not yet. |
| 20:18.30 | nsadmin | ok, is there a sata controller in the machine? |
| 20:18.48 | Warptwist | I figured I'd want to confere with more experienced people before even trying. |
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| 20:19.00 | Warptwist | yup SATA is present. |
| 20:19.17 | nsadmin | ok, does your present debian see the sata controlelr? |
| 20:19.35 | Warptwist | yes, Debian sees it. |
| 20:19.47 | nsadmin | that's really good... |
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| 20:19.59 | nsadmin | how many partitions on the 20g |
| 20:20.11 | nsadmin | just the one os? |
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| 20:20.49 | Warptwist | yes, just one OS... and /home folder is a seperate disk. |
| 20:21.09 | nsadmin | ok, and you want that as well on the 30g? |
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| 20:21.18 | Warptwist | yes. |
| 20:21.43 | nsadmin | are you using LVM now? either way, do you want LVM on the 30g? |
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| 20:22.24 | Warptwist | No, not using LVM, but maybe I will, what is the benefit of doing so? |
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| 20:23.09 | nsadmin | mostly resizable volumes... easier to move/resize, others |
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| 20:24.04 | Warptwist | Then I don't see the need for LVM, once the SSd is in nothing needs to change. |
| 20:24.07 | nsadmin | so am I correct in assuming you have 3 partitions, swap, / and /home? |
| 20:25.59 | Warptwist | I have theese when I type mount: http://pastebin.com/0DnP43xC |
| 20:27.31 | nsadmin | looks like the actual disk mounts are just the two |
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| 20:27.37 | Warptwist | ok |
| 20:27.43 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.16 | Warptwist | The new disk should have swap too? |
| 20:28.29 | jmspeex | Anyone can help me setup nouveau on my laptop (1000M chipset) |
| 20:28.31 | nsadmin | so the next step would be to get the new drive in the machine (remember, shut down and power off first) |
| 20:28.41 | nsadmin | yes |
| 20:29.05 | Warptwist | ok. But it is pretty straight forward or? |
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| 20:29.16 | Warptwist | I mean the migration process? |
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| 20:29.57 | nsadmin | yeah, once the drive is in, you can make partitions (or lvs), format them and copy stuff across |
| 20:30.09 | Warptwist | dd? |
| 20:30.14 | Motafoca | guys, im using network managed for my wireless config, i have 20 access points on my device, when i move around, the network-manager connects to the device with more signal, so far so good, but this "scan time" takes about 2min to accour, i needed it to be faster, any ideas how? i tried wicd also, but its worse and bugged |
| 20:30.23 | nsadmin | no, not dd |
| 20:30.39 | nsadmin | you want to copy the data across |
| 20:30.42 | Warptwist | just regular cp? |
| 20:30.59 | nsadmin | well I always use a tar pipe |
| 20:31.21 | karlpinc | Warptwist: cp -a is often good. (You want to copy permissions/ownership, and must do so as root.) |
| 20:31.27 | nsadmin | I have not tried the cp thing yet |
| 20:31.34 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Me too, but I think I'm an old fogy. |
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| 20:31.39 | Warptwist | ok. Sound easy enough to manage. how about mbr? |
| 20:31.52 | karlpinc | !fix mbr |
| 20:31.52 | dpkg | takes mbr to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 20:32.03 | Warptwist | ;) |
| 20:32.08 | Baen | ls |
| 20:32.12 | Baen | oops wrong window |
| 20:32.17 | karlpinc | *gurrr* Did somebody break the factoid? |
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| 20:32.42 | oops | !fixmbr |
| 20:32.43 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 20:32.44 | nsadmin | dpkg listkeys fix |
| 20:33.13 | oops | karlpinc, ^ |
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| 20:33.45 | Warptwist | Well, I'll get to it then... If I fail, I will come ask you awesome guys for help again :) |
| 20:33.46 | karlpinc | Warptwist: You won't need to boot from an install media, but you will want to chroot. |
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| 20:34.20 | scwizard | how do I reconfigure all the packages I just installed? |
| 20:34.32 | Warptwist | Figured I'd boot from old drive, chroot and update/install grub. |
| 20:34.36 | scwizard | I accidently shut off my computer during the package configuration process |
| 20:34.48 | nsadmin | I think cp has -p |
| 20:34.51 | nsadmin | let me see |
| 20:35.05 | gnarface | scwizard: dpkg-reconfigure [package name] |
| 20:35.40 | scwizard | gnarface, I know about dpkg-reconfigure, however I want to reconfigure not one package, but all the packages I installed as part of "apt-get install xorg, xfce4 xfce4-goodies" |
| 20:35.52 | scwizard | or if possible, all the packages that didn't get configured as a result of my screwup |
| 20:35.53 | nsadmin | it does have -p but you want -d |
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| 20:36.21 | pcormack | is there a multi-arch netinstall iso? |
| 20:36.37 | gnarface | scwizard: oh. i don't know a magic command for that sorry. i'd probably do something like use a bash for loop on the output of dpkg -l |
| 20:36.39 | pcormack | setting up a tftp server |
| 20:36.46 | nsadmin | Warptwist, howbout get the drive in the machine, connected to power and sata, and come back |
| 20:36.53 | scwizard | yeah that would be pretty simple I guess |
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| 20:37.18 | scwizard | it would probably be: dpkg-reconfigure `dpkg -l` |
| 20:37.51 | gnarface | scwizard: not sure. you might need some sed-fu. i don't shut my computers off (accidentally or otherwise) so its not a situation i've been in |
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| 20:38.17 | nsadmin | that's not likely to work :) |
| 20:38.24 | alex-- | How can I install libtcl8.4.so.0 ? |
| 20:38.36 | gnarface | ,file libtcl8.4.so.0 |
| 20:38.40 | judd | Search for libtcl8.4.so.0 in squeeze/i386: tcl8.4: usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so.0 |
| 20:38.50 | themill | scwizard: the package will be in an unconfigured state still -- apt should just pick up from where it left off |
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| 20:39.00 | gnarface | alex--: apt-get update && apt-get install tcl8.4 should do the trick |
| 20:39.07 | nsadmin | alex-- you want to build something? |
| 20:39.12 | alex-- | nsadmin: nope |
| 20:39.12 | scwizard | themill, ahh ok thanks |
| 20:39.13 | alex-- | run something |
| 20:39.27 | nsadmin | a eggy? :P |
| 20:39.31 | alex-- | eggdrop |
| 20:39.36 | ksk | nice :> |
| 20:39.50 | ksk | i like its "do read the whole config" default config |
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| 20:40.11 | alex-- | Still the same error after i installed tcl8.4 |
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| 20:40.18 | alex-- | apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 20:40.32 | scwizard | yeah it gracefully restarted from where it was when I pressed the power button |
| 20:40.33 | scwizard | neato! |
| 20:41.02 | scwizard | (by running apt-get install xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies) |
| 20:41.44 | alex-- | Anyone? |
| 20:41.46 | gnarface | scwizard: you got lucky |
| 20:41.59 | scwizard | seems so |
| 20:42.23 | alex-- | i installed it but same error nsadmin gnarface |
| 20:42.24 | scwizard | well the reason there wasn't a problem, is because it was idling, waiting for user input when I rpessed the power button |
| 20:42.25 | gnarface | alex--: run ldconfig as root in the terminal where you're trying to run the program perhaps? |
| 20:42.28 | scwizard | rather than in the middle of writing a file for instance |
| 20:42.40 | alex-- | gnarface: nothing |
| 20:42.42 | alex-- | gnarface: nothing happens |
| 20:42.59 | gnarface | alex--: nothing is the expected behavior. now try the program again (in the same terminal) |
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| 20:43.12 | pcormack | I mean is there a dual arch netinstall for debian similar to that of say archlinux or similar? |
| 20:43.13 | alex-- | gnarface: same error |
| 20:43.26 | gnarface | alex--: pastebin the error |
| 20:43.42 | alex-- | error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:44.02 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 20:44.04 | jmspeex | Is there any way to downgrade version for a package (or set of packages). I'm trying to figure out why X keeps hanging with "EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop." |
| 20:44.06 | gnarface | distressing |
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| 20:44.51 | gnarface | alex--: i got nothin then, sorry. is your software looking in /usr/lib? |
| 20:45.10 | alex-- | i don't know |
| 20:45.21 | sanitypassing | Hi, I want to recursively transcode a directory of audio files in FLAC format to 320 MP3s, and store them on an external drive, all while retaining the folder structure. Is there an easy way to do this? |
| 20:45.42 | gnarface | alex--: you can verify the library is there, right? |
| 20:46.25 | gnarface | sanitypassing: "easy" is a really subjective term |
| 20:46.52 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 20:46.55 | alex-- | gnarface: libtcl8.4.a libtcl8.4.so libtcl8.4.so.0 |
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| 20:47.30 | alex-- | gnarface: are in /usr/lib/ |
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| 20:47.59 | nsadmin | alex--, btw, tcl8.5 has that nice (*) thing, makes certain list things easier |
| 20:48.10 | alex-- | so? |
| 20:48.20 | nsadmin | you might have to rebuild eggdrop to use it |
| 20:48.27 | alex-- | :( |
| 20:48.42 | alex-- | won't this give problems |
| 20:48.56 | alex-- | e.g. data all over the system because of the compiling? |
| 20:49.17 | gnarface | alex--: not if you do it right |
| 20:49.21 | nsadmin | that shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:49.26 | alex-- | fuck it |
| 20:49.28 | gnarface | alex--: aka use checkinstall |
| 20:49.31 | alex-- | i accidently pressed ctrl q |
| 20:49.34 | alex-- | whole browser gone |
| 20:49.56 | nsadmin | but, let's try to get what you got going |
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| 20:50.04 | nsadmin | also btw... let's see... |
| 20:50.12 | nsadmin | , versions eggdroop |
| 20:50.13 | judd | No package named 'eggdroop' was found in i386. |
| 20:50.17 | nsadmin | , versions eggdrop |
| 20:50.18 | judd | Package: eggdrop on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2; sid: 1.6.20-1; wheezy: 1.6.20-1 |
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| 20:50.37 | gnarface | i couldn't get eggdrop to work in 2006. its somewhat relieving to see it wasn't just me. sorry alex-- |
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| 20:50.43 | nsadmin | you -could- use the already existing package |
| 20:50.46 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 20:50.53 | tdrusk | alex~: about:config in firefox browser.showquitwarning to true will fix that :) |
| 20:51.03 | zmitya | can I run an LXC container *without* /sys mounted ? |
| 20:51.16 | yang2 | I wonder if Debian "main" pool includes just free software ? |
| 20:51.20 | alex-- | thanks tdrusk :D |
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| 20:51.25 | alex-- | aewsome |
| 20:51.25 | alex-- | awesome * |
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| 20:51.50 | gnarface | yang2: correct |
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| 20:52.03 | yang2 | like, having only "main" pool would get me FSF-compatible system ? |
| 20:52.16 | gnarface | yang2: yes |
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| 20:52.18 | yang2 | ok |
| 20:52.31 | nsadmin | alex--, is there anything special about the eggdrop you have? |
| 20:52.58 | alex-- | i configured it |
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| 20:53.15 | nsadmin | hmm, in a single file? |
| 20:53.30 | alex-- | some files |
| 20:53.34 | alex-- | but i can move them easely i guess |
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| 20:53.49 | nsadmin | I wonder if the config file would work in the packaged eggdrop |
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| 20:57.16 | karlpinc | cra_: Best to follow the install guide, but it assume's you've already made room on the disk. |
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| 21:04.47 | Escherial | ok, so the main problem now, i think, is that either ssh or tcpdump is buffering its output, so that wireshark isn't getting it in real time |
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| 21:11.08 | kryl | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 21:11.09 | kryl | zsh: file exists: /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 21:11.11 | kryl | why ? :) |
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| 21:12.56 | thewanderer1 | becauze zsh. |
| 21:13.27 | damacus | try '3' instead of 3 |
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| 21:19.43 | jelly-home | kryl: because /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches cannot be truncated. Use >> |
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| 21:20.45 | kryl | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 21:25.20 | kryl | what's the best way to save temporarily the first part of HD and restore it later ? /dev/sda1 (it's ntfs for win... and I need place) |
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| 21:27.35 | jelly-home | kryl: make an image backup... but you need disk space for that! |
| 21:28.35 | kryl | it's the primary windows part, I don't care about the bootsector, do you think ntfsclone could be sufficient ? |
| 21:28.45 | kryl | I don't want to reinstall everything after :) |
| 21:29.21 | kryl | dd ? |
| 21:29.22 | kryl | :) |
| 21:29.23 | tremon | kryl: yes, raw disk backup is safest, barring that... I've had good results with ntfsclone |
| 21:29.33 | pcormack | kryl: dd would be faster |
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| 21:30.07 | kryl | so if I dd my /dev/sda1 to a file, I format my /dev/sda1 to what I want ... and just dd from file to part after i will recover it ? |
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| 21:30.39 | kryl | I'll don't change the table partiton of the hd of course |
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| 21:31.03 | tremon | kryl: should work. I'd dd into gzip, but don't expect too much compression on it |
| 21:31.14 | kryl | I don't understand why tools like ntfsclone exist if dd is sufficient :) |
| 21:31.57 | tremon | kryl: because dd doesn't see the difference between a sector with data and an unused sector |
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| 21:32.30 | kryl | it's just a way to save some place on the image isn't it ? |
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| 21:33.08 | scwizard | now that I have x and xfce installed, the wiki says I haev two options. startx and slim |
| 21:33.25 | tremon | yes, but if a file has been deleted, fs-level clone tools do not backup that file. dd happily reads the deleted file's contents, it will not read zeroes |
| 21:33.28 | scwizard | it seems like those are both means of getting x and xfce to run at startup |
| 21:33.33 | scwizard | what are the pros/cons of those two options? |
| 21:33.53 | nkuttler | scwizard: startx requires you to log in before running it |
| 21:34.00 | scwizard | that's stilly |
| 21:34.03 | nkuttler | scwizard: btw, you can use any dm you like, xdm, gdm etc |
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| 21:34.26 | scwizard | oh yeah that was the last option |
| 21:34.35 | scwizard | so xdm is the easiest way to get xfce running? |
| 21:34.38 | kryl | so dd looks to be secure |
| 21:34.39 | tremon | startx isn't a login manager. You need to login to console, then manually type startx |
| 21:34.40 | tremon | slim gives you a graphical login window |
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| 21:34.46 | kryl | I don't care about place |
| 21:35.07 | scwizard | ok so it's between slim and xdm I think |
| 21:35.09 | pcormack | scwizard: slim is nice, fewer depends then gdm or kdm |
| 21:35.22 | babilen | slim is also quite buggy |
| 21:35.28 | scwizard | what about xdm? |
| 21:35.29 | nkuttler | scwizard: with xdm you'll have to edit your ~/.xsession file to launch your wm |
| 21:35.57 | scwizard | nkuttler, doesn't that mean that it won't launch graphics until after I log into the console? |
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| 21:36.38 | babilen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=slim -- Note that there is also wdm, but I haven't tried it and can't comment on it. Last time I checked slim had massive problems with consolekit/dbus/keyboard settings -- not sure if those bugs have been fixed. |
| 21:36.40 | nkuttler | scwizard: not sure what xdm does by default |
| 21:37.01 | nkuttler | scwizard: you certainly can log in, but you might not find something very useful |
| 21:37.03 | scwizard | babilen, thanks for the warning |
| 21:37.09 | pcormack | in debian there is a very basic grey login box |
| 21:37.18 | babilen | scwizard: Are you on stable ? |
| 21:37.20 | pcormack | but there are other themes about |
| 21:37.30 | scwizard | no testing |
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| 21:37.49 | pcormack | xdm that is |
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| 21:38.28 | Diopter | "login" is the best login manager. |
| 21:39.07 | babilen | scwizard: Ok, in that case my comments about slim are valid. Check the BTS for further details -- wdm is yet another option, but I would personally rather use startx with a sensible .xsession than subject myself to something like xdm. If you go the startx route make sure you have "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch FOO" as the last line to initialise consolekit and dbus (if you use that) |
| 21:39.09 | scwizard | Diopter, that is a good point, I really don't need fancy graphics for the login screen |
| 21:39.38 | nkuttler | scwizard: xdm is nice |
| 21:39.42 | babilen | scwizard: FOO would be something like "gnome-session" or "awesome" or ... |
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| 21:40.02 | scwizard | babilen, the wiki says "exec ck-launch-session startxfce4" |
| 21:40.23 | babilen | scwizard: Yeah, throw in "dbus-launch" for proper dbus initialisation |
| 21:40.55 | scwizard | so "exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 dbus-launch" |
| 21:40.59 | babilen | no |
| 21:41.00 | Diopter | scwizard: I login, and have a simple alias or script for launching X, using xinit/.xinitrc to exec the wm, and doing it in a way that doesn't leave the TTY vulnerable (exec startx &> /dev/null) |
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| 21:41.11 | babilen | scwizard: "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch startxfce4" :) |
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| 21:41.18 | scwizard | ok |
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| 21:42.22 | xispirito | i don't ck-lauch-session...some services need them? |
| 21:42.28 | xispirito | #don't use |
| 21:42.48 | Diopter | ConsoleKit makes some things a lot easier, yes |
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| 21:43.16 | Diopter | It's not quite ubiquitous yet |
| 21:43.29 | xispirito | well, maybe nm-applet need, because is don't working |
| 21:43.40 | babilen | xispirito: that is one example, yes |
| 21:43.47 | Diopter | But policykit/consolekit/dbus/udev/pam is where everything has been converging for a while. And yes, I would imagine NetworkManager makes use of it |
| 21:43.55 | babilen | It does |
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| 21:45.18 | hoverbear | Yeah network manager uses dbus and polkit iirc |
| 21:45.40 | scwizard | ok I added the .xinitrc file then I loged out and logged back in and nothing happened |
| 21:45.45 | scwizard | do I need to restart my computer or something? |
| 21:46.12 | xispirito | good, trying here |
| 21:46.24 | Diopter | scwizard: When you say logged back in, do you mean you just logged into the tty console? |
| 21:46.30 | scwizard | yeah |
| 21:46.43 | pcormack | scwizard: check the log for xdm |
| 21:46.50 | scwizard | I don't have xdm |
| 21:46.56 | scwizard | I thoguth I was using startx instead of xdm |
| 21:46.58 | scwizard | I'm confuse |
| 21:47.00 | Diopter | scwizard: Then now you'll need to run xinit, or startx. But you'll want to exec them, so someone can't Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-C your session |
| 21:47.13 | Diopter | scwizard: So you'd run, at minimum, "exec xinit". |
| 21:47.17 | pcormack | whatever login manager you are using |
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| 21:47.55 | scwizard | cool |
| 21:48.02 | scwizard | garphics 8D |
| 21:48.06 | Diopter | Sweet! |
| 21:48.31 | Diopter | Now you probably want to make an alias or script that runs "exec xinit &> /dev/null". Maybe call it "x", or something else short and unused |
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| 21:48.51 | Diopter | so you can login -> "x" and have a safe way into X11 |
| 21:49.31 | scwizard | "/usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :O" |
| 21:49.32 | Diopter | You can also go farther and nohup or background/disown the process so it rolls up to being owned by init, and the tty goes back to a login prompt |
| 21:49.42 | scwizard | (I mean it's working, that's just an odd message sorta) |
| 21:49.59 | hoverbear | scwizard: Congratulations |
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| 21:50.10 | Diopter | Oh neat. So startxfce4 looks like it's a script that calls X for you. So... I think you want something more like "xfce4-session" instead of "startxfce4" |
| 21:50.20 | babilen | scwizard: note that you might want to run startx in lieu of xinit as it does some "nice" things -- Read the script at /usr/bin/startx for details |
| 21:50.26 | Diopter | Try tab completing xfce4-<tab><tab> |
| 21:50.39 | Diopter | babilen: Yeah. I personally have exec startx aliased, for those reasons |
| 21:50.43 | Diopter | Was just starting simple ;P |
| 21:50.58 | babilen | Diopter: Just wanted to make sure that the message gets across :) |
| 21:50.59 | scwizard | oh I made a .xinitrc, but I guess xinit isn't using that |
| 21:51.06 | Diopter | scwizard: It is. It does. |
| 21:51.28 | Diopter | scwizard: Your .xinitrc is calling startxfce4 though. You probably want it to call xfce4-session, or similar. I don't use XFCE, so I'm not certain of the name offhand |
| 21:51.46 | Diopter | But it should have a binary that Just spawns the XFCE WM/session manager |
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| 21:52.04 | scwizard | ok |
| 21:52.13 | Diopter | Again, try tab-completing xfce4-<tab><tab>, see if something like -session pops up :P |
| 21:52.35 | babilen | IIRC it is "startxfce4" -- That naming convention is not that unusual |
| 21:52.42 | scwizard | yeah xfce4-session |
| 21:52.50 | Diopter | Cool |
| 21:53.00 | Diopter | So xfce4-session probably doesn't spawn an X server, while startxfce4 probably does |
| 21:53.26 | Diopter | (so in theory you would use startxfce4 instead of startx. But if you want to use startx, you'd use exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch xfce4-session inside your .xinitrc) |
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| 21:55.04 | Diopter | scwizard: That make sense at all? |
| 21:55.32 | scwizard | so when I start it, I want it to be with "startxfce4" rather than "startx" |
| 21:55.39 | scwizard | even though both work? |
| 21:56.00 | Diopter | You can do it either way. The only reason both are working is because startxfce4 apparently doesn't bomb out if an X server is already started :P |
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| 21:56.14 | Diopter | Technically I'd probably consider than an oversight rather than something I'd want to rely on |
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| 21:58.25 | scwizard | startxfce4 is just some script that calls xinit |
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| 21:59.09 | Diopter | It has to call xfce4-session too :P |
| 21:59.25 | Diopter | Or else your xinit -> startxfce4 -> xinit -> etc... would just loop and forkbomb |
| 21:59.36 | scwizard | heh |
| 21:59.44 | scwizard | anyways ima go with startx which calls xfce4-session |
| 21:59.53 | scwizard | since you people said startx was better than xinit |
| 21:59.54 | Diopter | though probably the only reason it's not doing that is because it's bombing out with X already running |
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| 22:00.08 | Diopter | Yarp. That's how I'd go |
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| 22:00.16 | Diopter | startx with .xinitrc exec'ing xfce4-session |
| 22:00.26 | Diopter | Of course... I personally would suggest you exec xmonad instead... but that's just me ;) |
| 22:00.28 | scwizard | yeah that's what I have, it seems ot give the least numbero f warnings |
| 22:00.43 | Diopter | haha |
| 22:00.48 | Diopter | Always a plus to try to minimize those |
| 22:01.12 | scwizard | now i just need to make it, so my .bashrc will call a script that checks to see if xfce4 is running for my account, and if it is starts it and if it isn't starts me in the command line |
| 22:01.30 | scwizard | although if I wrote that, that would probably be reinventing the wheel |
| 22:01.52 | Diopter | mm |
| 22:02.10 | Diopter | While reinventing wheels takes time, it's often very instructive when learning how wheels are built. |
| 22:02.45 | xispirito | Diopter, i use xmonad with xfce, it's cool |
| 22:03.20 | Diopter | xispirito: lolwat? What for, the window decorations? |
| 22:03.22 | scwizard | I don't think I'd learn much from writing such a straightforward script |
| 22:03.40 | xispirito | Diopter, xmonad as window manager on xfce |
| 22:03.47 | scwizard | so does anyone know if there's anything alreayd written I can put in my bashrc to start xfce if it's not already running? |
| 22:03.55 | Diopter | xispirito: Yes, but, why use xfce at all? Decorations and Thunar? |
| 22:04.24 | xispirito | i like bars, thunar and one menu |
| 22:04.27 | Diopter | scwizard: My theory is that xfce4-session will detect xfce for you, better than you can. But perhaps not. |
| 22:04.35 | Diopter | xispirito: I see. |
| 22:05.00 | scwizard | hmm |
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| 22:06.17 | Diopter | scwizard: xfce4-session might just be a shell script. Might be easy to analyze. |
| 22:06.38 | Diopter | file $(which xfce4-session) |
| 22:06.54 | scwizard | " But you'll want to exec them, so someone can't Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-C your session" that doesn't stop someone from ctl-alt-F1ing my session |
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| 22:07.28 | scwizard | forking them does obv |
| 22:07.44 | Diopter | scwizard: If you exec startx, and inside .xinitrc you're exec'ing xfce4-session, then it doesn't stop them from C-A-F1 to switch to the console you started from, but if they hit C-c, it kills X and goes back to a login prompt |
| 22:07.49 | scwizard | but it means that ctl-alt-f1 will be logged into my account, which is also bad |
| 22:07.50 | Diopter | Rather than going to your logged-in shell :P |
| 22:07.57 | Diopter | Nope. That's the point of the exec. |
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| 22:08.11 | scwizard | yeah that is the case indeed |
| 22:08.52 | scwizard | I guess there's no point in futzing over someone sitting there being able to log whoever's logged in out |
| 22:08.54 | Diopter | You can also background the process, disown it and logout the shell, if you want to skip ahead a bit ;P |
| 22:08.56 | scwizard | since they could just hit the power button |
| 22:09.01 | Diopter | Then they can't C-c it |
| 22:09.03 | Diopter | Heh heh. Yeah |
| 22:09.15 | Diopter | And if they can do that, they can probably add init=/bin/bash to your grub kernel line |
| 22:09.19 | Diopter | And change your passwords anyway :P |
| 22:09.29 | scwizard | diopter: full disk encryption :P |
| 22:09.41 | Diopter | Certainly an option! Just sucks that it's not faster |
| 22:09.46 | scwizard | (not that I care really, just wanted to try it out) |
| 22:09.55 | scwizard | (for funz) |
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| 22:10.20 | Diopter | I've got a SATA III SSD in this laptop now, and even with a fast quad core i7, it has trouble topping 150MB/s |
| 22:10.30 | Diopter | Which would be great if I had a regular HDD. |
| 22:10.40 | Diopter | But that's 1/4 the speed of this SSD native :( |
| 22:11.32 | Diopter | scwizard: I figure the best strategy is to encrypt particular pieces of important information, and try to use software and configurations that avoid leaking it |
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| 22:13.41 | scwizard | yeah in practice if I was an important person with important buissness, I'd make sure the area with my ssh private key was encrypted |
| 22:13.43 | scwizard | because why not |
| 22:15.16 | scwizard | hmm there's a problem, when I exec startx, then logout |
| 22:15.26 | scwizard | it seems that /usr/lib/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd is still running |
| 22:15.41 | scwizard | I guess I should ask about this in #xfce though |
| 22:15.44 | Diopter | Is that an issue? |
| 22:15.47 | Diopter | Yeah, I have no idea. heh |
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| 22:18.07 | gnugr | if you have 2 lines to exec in .xinitrc the 2nd must have infront e.g. #exec gnome-session(is not executable) |
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| 22:19.59 | scwizard | gnugr: my .xinitrc is exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch -xfce4-session |
| 22:20.21 | gnugr | if you have 1 line it is ok |
| 22:20.30 | gnugr | but with 2 lines not |
| 22:20.32 | scwizard | yup it is my only line |
| 22:21.00 | gnugr | you have to exec 1 line |
| 22:21.16 | g00se | Something a little worrying going on. I've been using Frostwire (like Limewire). I have some videos that find is reporting as unrealistically large (couldn't possibly have downloaded that amount of data in so short a time). If i do du -hs i get only the directory size. What gives? |
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| 22:21.31 | Diopter | g00se: It probably makes sparse files. |
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| 22:21.48 | Diopter | g00se: Google it. du will report the real used space, but ls will give you the sparse size. |
| 22:21.49 | g00se | Diopter: AH. That's a new one on me |
| 22:22.32 | Diopter | g00se: You can make a sparse file with dd, too, if you're so inclined. They're very handy for copy-on-write snapshots and disk images |
| 22:22.46 | nsadmin | g00se, Ithought they had to shut gnutella down |
| 22:22.53 | Diopter | Usually used with virtual machine technology, but you'll find them with torrent and p2p systems sometimes, too |
| 22:23.26 | g00se | Phew. I was imagining some sort of malware ;) |
| 22:24.50 | Diopter | Nah, not likely. Your two options when you're going to write to random parts of a file are A) allocate everything at once by writing zeroes, which takes a while on large files and eats all that space before you actually use it, or B) make a sparse file that will logically take up that much space, but physically only takes up as much as you use |
| 22:25.00 | Diopter | Smarter software usually goes with B |
| 22:25.09 | Diopter | The tell-tale sign is when du != ls |
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| 22:25.46 | g00se | Thanks guys. Put my mind at rest |
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| 22:38.26 | g00se | I'm getting errors from ftp://security.debian.org on lenny/updates (permanently). What could be wrong? |
| 22:38.45 | themill | g00se: /topic |
| 22:39.04 | vty | man, mdadm isnt very simple |
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| 22:39.52 | g00se | themill: Does that mean it's effectively no longer supported? |
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| 22:40.23 | themill | g00se: lenny has not been supported for over 2 months now... |
| 22:40.46 | g00se | Ah ok. Time for dist upgrade i guess |
| 22:41.15 | nsadmin | I suppose... any reason yon can't upgrade yet? |
| 22:41.18 | themill | no, that time was between 14 months ago and 2 months ago... |
| 22:42.10 | nsadmin | themill, aha. so there's a gun to his head? |
| 22:43.15 | g00se | themill: you don't mean there's a problem with distupgrade from Lenny do you/ |
| 22:43.32 | themill | dpkg: tell g00se about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:44.04 | themill | g00se: no, I just mean that "now" is not the time for the dist-upgrade -- you really should have done it a while ago. |
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| 22:44.57 | themill | subscribes g00se to debian-announce and debian-security-announce |
| 22:45.20 | g00se | Right, thanks |
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| 22:45.49 | thewanderer1 | how would you guys go about capturing a single frame from a remote MJPEG stream (on HTTP) and saving it to a JPEG file, automatically? |
| 22:46.13 | thewanderer1 | I thought I'd use wget, but it would never finish the download since it's a stream |
| 22:46.46 | Diopter | thewanderer1: Probably some flags to mplayer to play x frames |
| 22:48.13 | thewanderer1 | and then capture it and save to JPEG? |
| 22:48.33 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, nevermind, I found an option in the server software to serve me a JPEG O.o |
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| 22:53.58 | samuel_ | Hi :) |
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| 22:55.21 | samuel_ | I have a telephone that I basically want to tap... |
| 22:55.32 | vty | off to a great start |
| 22:55.43 | samuel_ | If possible use Debian to read caller id and convo |
| 22:55.45 | Diopter | samuel_: Sounds highly illegal. Good job announcing that in the presence of a thousand other people :) |
| 22:55.53 | samuel_ | because some stranger moved in to my house |
| 22:55.57 | vty | yes, i'm sure there's "an app for that" |
| 22:56.04 | samuel_ | and oddly asked me about my phone |
| 22:56.08 | samuel_ | seems legit though |
| 22:56.18 | samuel_ | I gtg, be back sooon |
| 22:56.19 | Diopter | Even better. A "stranger" moved into your house, and now you want to illegally wiretap them. |
| 22:56.25 | vty | I doubt anybody in here will help you tap your girlfriends phone |
| 22:56.26 | samuel_ | but i think asterisk might b eoverkill |
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| 23:00.29 | dioz | anyone know how debian would run on a acer aspire one d270 |
| 23:00.33 | dioz | it has a atom processor |
| 23:01.43 | simonlnu | it'll run. other stuff, dunno (hardware drivers) |
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| 23:03.05 | vty | I'm trying to remove a raid volume (mdadm), I've already failed and removed all of the drives but when i try to stop it (mdadm --stop /dev/md0) it's telling me its busy |
| 23:04.36 | vty | http://pastebin.com/ur6LwCkW |
| 23:05.57 | Diopter | vty: Is it still mounted? umount /dev/md0? |
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| 23:06.12 | vty | not mounted |
| 23:06.27 | Diopter | Neat. Try lsof'ing it |
| 23:08.32 | vty | i hate these distros that use their own repos and don't have run of the mill stuff like lsof or glocate available |
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| 23:09.18 | Diopter | vty: ... these distros? |
| 23:09.18 | dondelelcaro | uh... if you're not using Debian, this is the wrong place. |
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| 23:10.28 | vty | it's debian based, big deal, it was a rhetorical statement anyway, don't get offended |
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| 23:42.50 | synackfin | how do I view a list of all installed packages that are no longer part of any repository? |
| 23:43.35 | themill | !not available |
| 23:43.36 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 23:48.22 | damacus | dpkg is amazing |
| 23:48.23 | dpkg | damacus: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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