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| 00:03.36 | scwizard_ | I can't manage to get sound working |
| 00:03.48 | scwizard_ | I went through a bunch of the steps dpkg told me to, and I still get nothing |
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| 00:08.21 | scwizard_ | oooo |
| 00:08.22 | scwizard_ | ic now |
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| 00:09.34 | scwizard_ | :D |
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| 00:11.07 | anton01 | can you have fd[2] and fd2[2] as two different pipes or can you only have fd[4]? |
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| 00:15.53 | SADI | hi |
| 00:16.03 | SADI | help me for one problem in debian |
| 00:16.21 | SADI | I have VPS Debian 5 , one problem in time 00:00 apache is down automatic |
| 00:17.29 | juniorsa | Hi, I have a system that is still running lenny, when I do apt-get update I get Err ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org lenny/main Packages, I have tried several mirrors, any suggestions? |
| 00:17.41 | SADI | lenny |
| 00:18.19 | juniorsa | oh boy I just the read the message that lenny no longer on mirrors!! I guess I have no choice? |
| 00:18.56 | SADI | To my VPS i have Debian 5 (Lenny) |
| 00:19.17 | SADI | and problem with apache2, in time 00:00 apache turn off |
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| 00:20.34 | cusco | SADI: some scheduled analizer or so in cron |
| 00:20.40 | cusco | check syslog |
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| 00:23.41 | SADI | do you have time for fix this probelm , i send to you ip and vps password |
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| 00:48.33 | scwizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.52 | scwizard | after starting X, I begin to get this soft "tick tick" sound in my headphones |
| 00:49.27 | scwizard | I don't think stopping x stops the sound, but maybe I'm not stopping x right? |
| 00:49.36 | dvs | *DIVE*! |
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| 00:51.54 | zeeno | scwizard, try disabling one of the line-in jacs/mute |
| 00:53.10 | scwizard | zeeno, how do I do that? |
| 00:53.40 | scwizard | zeeno, in the mixer here, I have all the line's in muted |
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| 00:57.27 | scwizard_ | see: http://i.imgur.com/iWIin.png |
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| 01:00.17 | zeeno | scwizard, i was getting something like this, i dont remember exactly what it was, (if im correct it may had something to do with removing an rtcmos module) |
| 01:01.46 | zeeno | scwizard_, anything with rtc ? (lsmod |grep -i rt) |
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| 01:03.47 | scwizard_ | zeeno: nope |
| 01:04.06 | scwizard_ | only thing that command gives me is parport |
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| 01:06.03 | scwizard_ | sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop doesn't seem to disable my sound |
| 01:06.05 | scwizard_ | how would I disable sound? |
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| 01:10.06 | zeeno | scwizard, are you using digital out? (try disabling digital out if you're not using it) |
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| 01:12.07 | dioz | does debian work with the new cedartrails? |
| 01:12.14 | dioz | and 3600gma |
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| 01:13.54 | scwizard | zeeno, is that a mixer option? |
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| 01:14.06 | scwizard | anyways I killed some random processes and it seemed to make it stop |
| 01:14.24 | zeeno | dioz, somebody mentioned on a post online that kernel3.3 supposedly introduces something like it-> "Kernel 3.3 introduce support for cedarview."' |
| 01:14.54 | zeeno | scwizard, not sure.. did you try the console alsamixer ? |
| 01:15.13 | zeeno | scwizard, dmesg |grep -i rt |
| 01:15.21 | zeeno | scwizard, anything about realtime devices ? |
| 01:15.27 | scwizard | "<scwizard_> only thing that command gives me is parport" |
| 01:15.36 | zeeno | no, that was lsmod |
| 01:16.52 | scwizard | o |
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| 01:18.01 | zeeno | if there is, you'll have to disable it the bootline |
| 01:18.09 | zeeno | (it on the ..) |
| 01:18.17 | scwizard | well I don't think there is |
| 01:18.19 | scwizard | but here's seomthing |
| 01:18.24 | scwizard | when I kill udisks-daemon the noise stops |
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| 01:18.51 | zeeno | scwizard, it's possible a kernel upgrade may overcome the issue |
| 01:18.58 | zeeno | scwizard, how old is the kernel? |
| 01:19.00 | scwizard | well I'm running wheezy |
| 01:19.14 | scwizard | 3.2.0-2 |
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| 01:21.01 | zeeno | scwizard, y, if you can with the bios or something you can try to force separation of irq#'s -- try to have the sound device on its own (cat /proc/irqdevces , something liek this shows the irq#'s) -- or the last you can try is to disable fancy acpi, and see if the problem goes away |
| 01:21.56 | zeeno | scwizard, they may have renamed the rt-* device to something else, (i'm guessing io-apic or similar) |
| 01:21.57 | scwizard | that went over my head technically |
| 01:22.01 | karlpinc | scwizard: You could also disable pulseaudio. I hear that's often a problem, although I don't know sound. |
| 01:22.06 | zeeno | no.. |
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| 01:22.23 | zeeno | it's a core issue.. i had a similar problem like this.. |
| 01:22.23 | nevyn | don't do that. |
| 01:23.02 | nevyn | scwizard: it's most likely feedback into a mic amp or something on your soundcard. fiddle with things in alsamixer untill it goes away |
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| 01:23.18 | nevyn | I'd start with turning down everything in the capture section |
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| 01:23.37 | scwizard | nevyn, this persists if I mute everything in alsamixer |
| 01:23.50 | seeker61 | what would the equivalent of chkconfig console-screen.sh off be in squeeze |
| 01:23.56 | nevyn | did you hit f4 to get to the capture controls? |
| 01:24.20 | nevyn | scwizard: or f5 to see all the controls |
| 01:24.44 | scwizard | I have a screenshot |
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| 01:24.55 | scwizard | http://i.imgur.com/iWIin.png |
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| 01:27.07 | zeeno | scwizard, cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 01:28.27 | zeeno | scwizard, this may be unrelated, but look at the command they give.. "Allow user processes the ability to use high resolution timers by running this command as root every time your machine boots: |
| 01:28.27 | zeeno | sysctl -w dev.rtc.max-user-freq=1024 |
| 01:28.28 | zeeno | " |
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| 01:29.05 | scwizard_ | re: interrupts |
| 01:29.10 | scwizard_ | http://i.imgur.com/kRmMT.png |
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| 01:29.30 | damacus | is there a more elegant way to find explicitly installed packages than doing aptitude search ~i | grep -v "^i A" ? |
| 01:30.00 | nevyn | scwizard: so when you run alsamixer it defaults to playback controls only. |
| 01:30.14 | scwizard_ | nevyn: re that http://i.imgur.com/AQG8l.png |
| 01:30.14 | bwulf | damacus: dpkg-query --list |
| 01:30.37 | damacus | that includes automatically installed packages. |
| 01:30.46 | nevyn | right. |
| 01:30.58 | nevyn | zeeno: that's stupid |
| 01:31.12 | bwulf | my bad, I am interested aswell then |
| 01:31.14 | damacus | nevyn: I don't want that. |
| 01:31.18 | scwizard | nevyn, ??? |
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| 01:31.57 | nevyn | zeeno: echo "dev.rtc.max-user-freq=1024" >> /etc/sysctl.conf && sysctl -p |
| 01:32.06 | nevyn | no need to do anything at reboot |
| 01:32.08 | zeeno | I don't know. |
| 01:32.12 | scwizard_ | o |
| 01:32.16 | zeeno | I already told him something like that. |
| 01:32.18 | zeeno | ok? |
| 01:32.34 | scwizard_ | anyways I still don't understand why killing udisks-daemon is what would make it stop |
| 01:32.35 | zeeno | and its not me asking. |
| 01:33.23 | damacus | nevyn: https://pastee.org/zuge4 |
| 01:33.27 | scwizard_ | zeeno: did you glean anything from the proc/interrupts screenshot I gave? |
| 01:33.39 | damacus | wondering if there's a more elegant way to get the 3rd list. |
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| 01:34.37 | zeeno | scwizard, looks like you use nouveau, I actually was reading a post from somebody who upgraded their nvidia driver and said the problem went away, but i dont know how credible that is |
| 01:34.59 | scwizard | zeeno, I will do that then, because I planned to do it anyway |
| 01:35.04 | seeker61 | i am trying to deactivate setting console screen modes and fonts |
| 01:35.05 | scwizard | since I want to play minecraft on the linux box at some point |
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| 01:37.31 | nevyn | daemonkeeper: umm I think so. |
| 01:37.41 | nevyn | damacus: ^^^ |
| 01:38.05 | nevyn | damacus: is there a aptitude search term for auto|not-auto |
| 01:38.28 | damacus | i've found ~i for all installed, and ~M for automatically installed. |
| 01:38.42 | damacus | using ! on either gives me way too many |
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| 01:39.04 | damacus | looking into this narrow option |
| 01:39.58 | karlpinc | nevyn: Yes, but you need to read the aptitude docs. They're html in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude-doc/ I think.... |
| 01:40.18 | karlpinc | nevyn: perhaps ~aauto perhaps not |
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| 01:43.22 | scwizard | "There are five different methods for installing the kernel module." >_> |
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| 01:46.06 | damacus | there it is. |
| 01:46.07 | damacus | aptitude search "~i ?not(~M)" |
| 01:46.20 | damacus | wacky syntax, but cleaner. |
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| 01:46.57 | damacus | bothers me that aptitude documentation is in html rather than man / info or at least plain text. |
| 01:47.05 | damacus | alas |
| 01:47.07 | scwizard_ | can I just "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" |
| 01:47.33 | scwizard_ | oh no wait I can't |
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| 01:47.52 | scwizard_ | "Recommended packages: nvidia-kernel-295.40" |
| 01:47.56 | scwizard_ | too bad I can't find such a package |
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| 01:48.36 | scwizard_ | oh wait, it's a virtual package |
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| 01:50.10 | nevyn | yes it is. |
| 01:50.38 | nevyn | damacus: aptitude search "?installed ?not(?automatic)" should also work |
| 01:50.43 | scwizard_ | maybe sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx will just automagically work |
| 01:50.44 | nevyn | and is somewhat more self explanatory |
| 01:50.56 | damacus | yeah, that's equivalent |
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| 01:51.05 | damacus | i should probably do so in my script |
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| 01:52.35 | nevyn | damacus: you could make the and explicit using ?and(?installed, ?not(automatic)) but that's hitting diminishing returns |
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| 01:56.49 | damacus | versions aptitude |
| 01:56.54 | damacus | , versions aptitude |
| 01:56.56 | judd | Package: aptitude on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny2; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.6.6-1; sid: 0.6.6-1+b1 |
| 01:57.39 | noobish | can't find specifics in the policy manual about this, is this colon in a control file's depends line correct: Depends: nautilus (>= 1:3~) |
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| 02:02.23 | doughj3 | Hi, trying to install php5-mysqlnd on a fresh install of wheezy/sid and I'm having a problem: http://pastebin.com/pi223N7z |
| 02:03.00 | doughj3 | It happens even after I remove the php5-mysql package. |
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| 02:08.12 | scwizard | well installign the nvidia drivers didn't help |
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| 02:10.18 | ag4ve | how do i debootstrap a 64 bit system from a 32 bit boot? i've got it bootstrapped, however when i try to chroot, it fails with an 'Exec format error' |
| 02:11.35 | homes | you'll need a 64bit kernel to chroot into it |
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| 02:15.06 | ag4ve | ok, i've got a 32 bit boot and i want to install on a 64 bit system. 'debootstrap --fireign --arch amd64' seems to do most of the work. however, debootstrap doesn't seem to install grub? |
| 02:15.36 | scwizard | I changed my ~/.xinitrc from "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch xfce4-session" to "exec ck-launch-session xfce4-session" |
| 02:15.42 | scwizard | and that fixed the ticking problem |
| 02:15.43 | smugglerinc | I'm trying to configure lumberjack which is a IRC logger. I believe I managed to get the bot running but I can't seem to get the web php layer to load. |
| 02:15.49 | scwizard | where I'd get a faint ticking sound in my headphones |
| 02:16.12 | scwizard | I'm not really sure what dbus is, but it sounds like its some important thing that gives users in this channel problems a bunch |
| 02:16.14 | dvs | it blew up? |
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| 02:17.01 | nvz | ah-ha push that bus, everyone move to the back of dbus |
| 02:18.41 | nvz | !dbus |
| 02:18.42 | dpkg | D-Bus (Desktop Bus) is an <IPC> system for software to communicate with each other. The dbus-1-doc package contains the API documentation along with the protocol specification. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DBusAnalogy http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ #dbus on irc.freenode.net. See also <dbus shutdown>. |
| 02:19.29 | nvz | goes back to bed |
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| 02:21.08 | scwizard | nvz, I have no idea why running x with dbus would cause a ticking sound in my headphones |
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| 02:22.41 | i10neorg | damacus: /usr/share/aptitude (...aptitude documentation...plain text...) |
| 02:24.27 | tuv | how can i create a new font out of two fonts: one per language? |
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| 02:24.59 | damacus | i10neorg: awesome, g2know. why isn't that in /usr/share/doc with the rest of the documentation? |
| 02:25.00 | scwizard | sun-java6-jre is in squeeze and sid, but it doesn't seem to be in wheezy |
| 02:25.03 | scwizard | what's the deal with that? |
| 02:25.22 | tuv | i have a non-latin font that has no latin glyphs. is there a tool that allows me to add latin glyphs from some other font? |
| 02:25.30 | dvs | scwizard: ask Oracle |
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| 02:35.05 | scwizard | gfx question. When video is being hardware accelerated, it will use #000000 |
| 02:35.26 | scwizard | like erm, if i have program that has a #000000 background (such as xterm) then I'll be able to see youtube videos behind it |
| 02:35.39 | scwizard | is there any way to change the color it's using for this to some sort of obnoxious pink or something? |
| 02:35.45 | scwizard | (in windows xp it was some random shade of gray) |
| 02:35.51 | scwizard | (I think) |
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| 02:36.35 | cdown | Please tell me you didn't just say #000000 twice instead of just saying "black" |
| 02:36.47 | nevyn | it's more than black |
| 02:36.53 | cdown | it's blacker than my soul |
| 02:36.55 | nevyn | it's "totally transparent black" |
| 02:37.38 | nevyn | opaque black is #000000FF in the new RGBA land of colours |
| 02:38.12 | nevyn | actually scratch that. |
| 02:38.14 | dvs | That's dumb |
| 02:38.16 | nevyn | he's talking about chromakey |
| 02:38.24 | nevyn | dvs: ? |
| 02:38.57 | dvs | nevyn: I'd make #00000000 opaque black |
| 02:39.05 | dvs | but it's not my call |
| 02:39.05 | nevyn | I think it might be. |
| 02:39.07 | nevyn | I could be wrong |
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| 02:40.11 | nevyn | nope. I'm right. |
| 02:40.18 | nevyn | the A is how opaque it is. |
| 02:40.19 | nevyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGBA_color_space |
| 02:40.23 | cdown | Hm, I wonder what RGBA shorthand support is like then. |
| 02:40.34 | cdown | I guess #0000 to expand to #00000000? |
| 02:40.40 | nevyn | and I got the order wrong |
| 02:40.42 | cdown | er |
| 02:40.46 | cdown | too many 0s. |
| 02:40.48 | nevyn | because the common layout os ARGB |
| 02:40.54 | nevyn | so it's #FF000000 |
| 02:40.55 | cdown | oodles and oodles of 0's you know. |
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| 02:48.16 | scwizard | so yeah, do either of you know how to make it so youtube videos don't show through black? |
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| 02:49.18 | scwizard | yes I ma talking about a chromakey style effect |
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| 03:01.29 | Blue1 | I am having some problems with google earth - anyone have a few minutes? |
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| 03:06.14 | scwizard | :( I'm getting the ticking again |
| 03:06.24 | dvs | ducks |
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| 03:08.33 | nsadmin | Blue1, searching google comes to mind... also, /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:11.42 | BenNZ | hi , using testing an im having with the nvidia drivers from the repo's , they seems to install ok , but i only get 6.5 fps , whereas if i use the driver from nvidia i get 1500 or so fps , i have run sudo nvidia-xconfig , and it writes the xorg.conf properly , anyone know what the problem is |
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| 03:12.00 | Blue1 | nsadmin: turns out the googleearth in the repo is very old - (0.6.1) got the latest from the website (6.2) and all is well |
| 03:12.32 | Blue1 | BenNZ: similair issue -which I knew how to fix |
| 03:13.32 | BenNZ | Blue1: its only starting happening with the new driver , worked well the 295.33 so maybe thats the problem |
| 03:13.57 | nsadmin | Blue1, glad it worked out... |
| 03:15.30 | Blue1 | i am using the 195 driver |
| 03:15.44 | Blue1 | NVIDIA GLX Module 195.36.31 |
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| 03:16.33 | Blue1 | ahh watever I did my fps is up over 5000 and I am happy |
| 03:16.40 | krisfremen | over 9000? |
| 03:16.59 | Blue1 | 5000 |
| 03:17.11 | krisfremen | over 9000??? |
| 03:17.25 | Blue1 | =nm |
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| 03:21.03 | Blue1 | i do have one issue with google earth - the up, down, left, right, zoom controls are gone |
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| 03:22.48 | raptor67682 | A question. how to detect that the mounted USB external harddisk has been accidentially un-pluged (it remains mouted and thus data loss / faulty) ? |
| 03:23.02 | nevyn | raptor67682: don't do that. |
| 03:23.13 | raptor67682 | is there some scripts for detecting such accident? |
| 03:23.25 | raptor67682 | while [ 1 ] ; do ... |
| 03:23.36 | nevyn | the problem is by the time you know about it it's too late |
| 03:23.57 | nevyn | ie: by the time you detect it was unplugged the device is gone and data is lost |
| 03:24.24 | nevyn | if you suspect it might happen mount it -o sync |
| 03:24.48 | nevyn | this is probably a sensible option for hotplug storage devices in any case. |
| 03:25.44 | karlpinc | raptor67682: Otherwise, afterwards fsck the device's partitions. |
| 03:25.52 | scwizard | I installed pulseaudio because it was a dependency of mumble |
| 03:25.57 | scwizard | now nothing comes out of my headphones :( |
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| 03:27.08 | scwizard | oh wait |
| 03:27.16 | scwizard | that just changed what dials needed to be unmuted |
| 03:27.17 | scwizard | O_o |
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| 03:29.11 | saban | hi. i have on eth1 connection to the internet and eth0 is connected ip kamera. how can route kamera to the internet by iptables? to a port like 50000 |
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| 03:52.06 | fLoo | hello, any1 available who is familiar with nginx ? |
| 03:52.10 | dsdeiz | hi trying to install spideroak but getting this error. any ideas? http://pastebin.com/3u48Nk1N |
| 03:52.44 | karlpinc | !tell fLoo about anyone |
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| 03:53.00 | Diopter | mmm, nginx |
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| 03:53.28 | fLoo | i would like to use pnp4nagios (for icinga) i got it working under the docroot http://1.2.3.4 but i want it to work in http://1.2.3.4/pnp4nagios http://pastebin.com/Q1DWUzLY this code works perfectly for the docroot, but i dont get it working in /pnp4nagios |
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| 03:56.21 | karlpinc | fLoo: What sort of config file is that? |
| 03:56.41 | karlpinc | fLoo: Must be nginx, right? |
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| 03:58.22 | karlpinc | fLoo: Looks like you're not configuring it right. I don't know the config synatx, but I bet even I could poke it with a stick and make it work. I think you'd better ask the nginx people if no one knows here, or even better read the instructions and see what it is the config actually does and fix it yourself. |
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| 03:58.38 | sittingduck | hello! |
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| 03:59.14 | karlpinc | sittingduck: Hello. Got a debian question? Just ask. |
| 03:59.14 | fLoo | karlpinc: #nginx is dead, i've read the doc for the last 8 hours and im tired |
| 03:59.17 | fLoo | just fyi :-) |
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| 04:02.01 | sinedeviance | hi all. what desktop environment does debian stable come with by default? |
| 04:02.08 | karlpinc | fLoo: Well, your "rewrite" line probably needs "/php4nagios/" instead of the first /. And the fastcgi_param line may well need a change too after $documentroot. But I've no clue. |
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| 04:02.42 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: If you select "desktop" in the installer you get gnome. But you can install lots desktops, whatever you like. |
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| 04:03.48 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: The "default" is no desktop. |
| 04:03.49 | sinedeviance | karlpinc: okay, thanks |
| 04:03.54 | sinedeviance | can i ask you guys for some opinions? |
| 04:04.14 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: So long as it's debian related. |
| 04:04.18 | sinedeviance | it is |
| 04:05.17 | sinedeviance | currently, my company is using xubuntu 11.10 on our workstations. for the last year or so it has worked pretty well, but there are some annoying bugs that aren't fixed in 12.04. so, i'm looking for something else. would you say debian 6.0.4 would be good for production desktops and laptops? |
| 04:05.51 | karlpinc | !better |
| 04:05.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 04:05.54 | sinedeviance | please keep in mind that most of the users are not computer-savvy |
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| 04:06.42 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: Debian stable does not change, so things just keep working just like they have until you upgrade to the next stable release. |
| 04:06.44 | sinedeviance | karlpinc: i didn't ask if it was better. xfce is pretty much xfce no matter what underlying distro it runs on. i'm asking if it's good for use in production environments. |
| 04:07.13 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: Yes, that's what stable is for. You do have to upgrade now and then to keeep in security support. |
| 04:07.14 | scwizard | when I have a black on the screen, youtube videos and similar hardware accelerated stuff shows through it |
| 04:07.25 | scwizard | is there anyway I can change this color to a color that isn't used so often? |
| 04:07.50 | sinedeviance | karlpinc: okay. do you use debian on a desktop/laptop in a production environment? if so, how has your experience been with it? |
| 04:08.17 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: You might want to brouse the bot's factoids. Start with "/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client. |
| 04:08.27 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: Sorry, /msg dpkg introduction |
| 04:09.00 | sinedeviance | karlpinc: i've used debian before, but only for servers with very limited desktop testing. that was back when 5.0 was stable. |
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| 04:09.07 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: I use it mostly for me, in production. And it does not break, although there are some bugs they don't change. See the <stable> factoid. |
| 04:09.33 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: You'll find debian stable has older software than some distros, because it does not change. |
| 04:09.54 | sinedeviance | okay. does it at least have libreoffice in the repos? |
| 04:09.56 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: You might ask 9-5ish US time. There's several people who've deployed to lots of users. |
| 04:10.09 | sinedeviance | oh, awesome! i'll do that then, thanks |
| 04:10.21 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: The "stock" is still openoffice, but libreoffice is in backports. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 04:10.48 | sinedeviance | okay |
| 04:10.53 | sinedeviance | well, thanks i guess |
| 04:11.39 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: You'll probably also need to know that debian has put non-free firmware in the non-free repo, so you'll want to enable this for hardware that requires non-free firmware. |
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| 04:12.27 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: You get a new release every 2-3 years, and have a year to switch before security support runs out. This is too fast for some, and too slow for others. YMMV. |
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| 04:12.40 | karlpinc | sinedeviance: (2-3 years-ish) |
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| 04:19.46 | Cogito | Hi everyone, I'm having issues fixing my OpenGL drivers in Debian Testing, on Intel HD 3000 graphics chip. Google hasn't been much help yet, any ideas of the next best place to go? |
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| 04:21.58 | karlpinc | Cogito: #debian-next on irc.debian.org is a possibility. They do support for testing. (You should also probably be getting your drivers from debian.) |
| 04:23.02 | Cogito | karlpinc: I got my drivers from debian, but for some odd reason thought I should install nvidia drivers. Now, after removing the nvidia drivers, (apparently) something is broken |
| 04:23.55 | Cogito | I might go drop in to say hello anyhow |
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| 04:34.36 | sinedeviance | exit |
| 04:34.41 | sinedeviance | bah! |
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| 05:04.10 | dsdeiz | hi chsh only changes your shell upon login? that means i have to log back in for the changes to take effect? |
| 05:04.30 | cedr | it depends what's set in /etc/passwd |
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| 05:05.26 | cedr | oh, i misread that |
| 05:05.34 | cedr | yeah it's upon login |
| 05:05.50 | nsadmin | yes, you do have to log out/in |
| 05:06.36 | dsdeiz | ok, got it. thx! is there a way for me to not relog but change the shell? |
| 05:07.12 | cedr | you could execute the new shell on top of the old one |
| 05:07.12 | sdi | i'd like to know too ;-] |
| 05:07.37 | sdi | yeh |
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| 05:08.22 | dsdeiz | execute? like just do /bin/zsh? |
| 05:08.58 | nsadmin | you can run chsh without logging in and logging out |
| 05:09.36 | kleanchap | How do you find out the size of the all the files under a directory tree structure? |
| 05:09.56 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.12 | nsadmin | kleanchap, man du |
| 05:10.15 | cedr | kleanchap: du -hs /dir |
| 05:10.25 | cedr | h for human readable (I always prefer it) and s for summary |
| 05:10.36 | kleanchap | Looks like there are a lot of log/cache files in this one backup directory. |
| 05:10.45 | kleanchap | cedr, Thnx! |
| 05:10.52 | kleanchap | nsadmin, Thnx |
| 05:11.14 | cedr | kleanchap: no worries :) |
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| 05:12.43 | nsadmin | now that you've been given the answer... you can still learn a bit more by looking at the man page for du and disassemble the solution, and seeing how the man page states things |
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| 05:13.14 | cedr | ah yes |
| 05:13.36 | cedr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:14.48 | bin_bash | Hello. I'm trying to locate a file and I'm getting this error: locate: can not stat () `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
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| 05:15.39 | nsadmin | I think you have to update the db (have you ever used locate before?) |
| 05:15.49 | bin_bash | not on this server |
| 05:15.52 | bin_bash | how does that work? |
| 05:16.21 | nsadmin | usually it updates the db daily at 6:30 am local time |
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| 05:19.22 | scwizard | pokemon online is an open source pokemon battle simulator. Understandably due to various legal issues, it's not available in debian's package repository |
| 05:19.31 | bin_bash | I just ran updatedb and it worked |
| 05:19.36 | scwizard | does anyone know of an unoffical repository or .deb where I could find this program? |
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| 05:21.57 | bin_bash | How do I get debian to display in color |
| 05:21.59 | bin_bash | er |
| 05:22.01 | bin_bash | that was retarded |
| 05:22.06 | bin_bash | how do I get vim to display in color |
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| 05:24.12 | bin_bash | Like |
| 05:24.14 | bin_bash | in my centOS box |
| 05:24.17 | bin_bash | when I open a config file |
| 05:24.22 | bin_bash | it's all colorful |
| 05:24.26 | bin_bash | but on debian it's all white |
| 05:24.26 | nevyn | :syn on |
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| 05:24.52 | bin_bash | ty |
| 05:25.00 | nsadmin | bin_bash, you may wish to... man locate, man updatedb and notice how the man pages state what you just found out |
| 05:25.23 | nevyn | my .vimrc has syntax on set bg=dark set ignorecase set smartcase |
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| 05:37.22 | jwilliams | what command can be used to check what is the unique in mongodb? |
| 05:38.15 | jwilliams | i thought it should be objectid, but in our env (with shards), query e.g. db.collection_name.find(...) returns duplicate objectid. |
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| 05:40.56 | nsadmin | never used mongodb... I have used postgresql\ |
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| 05:43.53 | jrgp_ | I run unstable on my desktop and I have 4GB of ram and /tmp now seems to automount as tmpfs. Can I prevent this? |
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| 05:45.52 | nsadmin | jrgp_, look in /etc/fstab. what do you actually want to accomplish? |
| 05:46.08 | scwizard | I'm looking for a graphical askpass program |
| 05:46.35 | cra_ | guys I shrunk a windows partition in w7 to instal my first trial of debian, booted debian from usb and installed, now I get a message Non-system disk or disk error replice and strike any key..... when I switch on the computer!!! |
| 05:46.36 | jrgp_ | nsadmin: there isn't an entry for it in /etc/fstab. I want /tmp to not be a separate filesystem. Something in debian seems to mount it as tmpfs automatically |
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| 05:48.25 | cra_ | :-( |
| 05:49.22 | cra_ | ...being a noob, I`ve no idea what to even attempt to do to restore windows and debian!! I presume it is something to do with the grub?? |
| 05:49.46 | Diopter | jrgp_: If you want /tmp to not mount as tmpfs automatically, go change it in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 05:50.01 | nsadmin | cra_, so I'm assuming you have a second computer, which you're ircing from? |
| 05:50.02 | Diopter | It's not in /etc/fstab by default |
| 05:50.08 | cra_ | yes correct |
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| 05:50.18 | nsadmin | can it burn a cd? |
| 05:50.26 | nsadmin | do you have blanks? |
| 05:50.35 | cra_ | unfortunately not....very old laptop just a cd/dvd player |
| 05:50.38 | cra_ | I have usbs! |
| 05:50.51 | cra_ | usb storage drives that is |
| 05:51.00 | nsadmin | well that could work... can the machine in question boot from usb? |
| 05:51.21 | nsadmin | I'm thinking supergrub, and I dunno if it works from usb |
| 05:51.34 | cra_ | yes it can because I loaded debian from a boot cd |
| 05:51.38 | cra_ | sorry boot usb |
| 05:52.12 | nsadmin | great... now, I just wonder if supergrub works from a usb |
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| 05:53.08 | cra_ | just googling....is it supergrub or supergrub2 I`ll be after? |
| 05:53.30 | nsadmin | dunno, maybe 2 if there is one |
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| 05:58.35 | nsadmin | if supergrub is more of a challenge to set up you could try the debian usb again and follow the grub setup instructions |
| 05:58.43 | nsadmin | !fixgrub |
| 05:58.43 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 06:00.03 | cra_ | ooops...OK...sorry, I missed the last messages" |
| 06:00.04 | scwizard | I am using ssh-askpass |
| 06:00.08 | scwizard | it's ugly, but it works |
| 06:00.11 | cra_ | I`m in with Supergroob2 |
| 06:00.54 | cra_ | it detects both OS debian and w7...and I`m not in windows... However, I`m not clear how to actually restore the grub!! I presume if I boot into debian and follow instructions from dpkg |
| 06:02.06 | jrgp_ | cra_: if you chroot in as the bot says and run update-grub (and more importantly grub-install) that will reinstall grub |
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| 06:02.39 | cra_ | jrgp...I`m brand new to debian and I have no idea what chroot means! |
| 06:02.48 | cra_ | I`m just booting into debian now through supergrub 2 |
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| 06:03.19 | cra_ | I`m not moaning, but why doesn`t supergrub2 give you the option to restore the grub if it can see the OSs! |
| 06:04.07 | cra_ | jrgp, do you mind just explaining I`m now in debian and in terminal |
| 06:04.08 | scwizard_ | cra_, chroot is when you change what folder the / means |
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| 06:04.45 | scwizard_ | one effect of this, is that if the user doesn't have special powers, they're unable to access directories that aren't subdirectories of what you change the / to |
| 06:05.16 | brrny | Does anyone have experience or knowledge of installing debian on a MacBook Pro 5,5? |
| 06:06.06 | scwizard_ | brrny, I don't, but are you having driver issues? or some other problem? |
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| 06:06.14 | cra_ | now I`m confused...my debian doesn`t have any graphic interface.,,,I`m just left with me@debian:~$ |
| 06:06.34 | tzorvas | hi.. is there any way to get a list of only user installed programms? |
| 06:06.36 | scwizard_ | cra_, that's right, there isn't a graphic interface unless one is installed |
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| 06:06.56 | cra_ | I`m sure I selected the graphic interface install anyway,,,! |
| 06:07.03 | scwizard_ | cra_, did you ever have a graphic interface on this install? |
| 06:07.17 | brrny | no scwizard_, I am curious if many people do such a thing. I have read a lot of guides for it online for various distro's, I want to know if it is a good long term option |
| 06:07.23 | cra_ | this is the first time I`ve tried to log in...I lost the grub initially |
| 06:07.32 | cra_ | can I resinstall the grub from here then?> |
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| 06:08.10 | scwizard_ | cra_, what do you mean by "I lost the grub" |
| 06:08.20 | Diopter | The grub! It just slips away |
| 06:08.25 | scwizard_ | also if you have never seen graphics on this installation of debian, then graphics aren't installed |
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| 06:09.33 | cra_ | If I`m being honest..not got a bloody clue what I`m doing here...I just need my windows install back for work. It is 7:10am my daughter is playing piano next to me and I need ot get to work. Just want to fix this! Supergrub2 boot disk gives me the screen I expect to see, a choice of OS to use |
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| 06:10.43 | nevyn | cra_: have you just installed debian? |
| 06:10.47 | cra_ | so really, I`ve no idea why I`m not getting this choice of OS to use? I presume it was something to do with the grub as I presumed this was some sort of OS loader.,... I have lots of learning to do, I know...I just needed to try and get this sorted. |
| 06:10.54 | cra_ | last night,yes |
| 06:11.07 | cra_ | then it wouldn`t let me in, so I`ve got up early to try and fix it |
| 06:11.13 | nevyn | cra_: have you booted windows successfully since installing debian? |
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| 06:11.39 | cra_ | Only via Supergrub2 recover disk that was recommended a few minutes ago |
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| 06:11.47 | cra_ | that disk shows both my OS |
| 06:11.57 | scwizard_ | ahh ok |
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| 06:12.40 | cra_ | I`ve loged into both windows and debian and they are both working but without the Supergrub2 disk, I get told I have a disk error and can`t go into anything. |
| 06:12.41 | nevyn | cra_: can you boot win7 from supergrub? |
| 06:12.46 | cra_ | yes |
| 06:12.47 | nevyn | ok. |
| 06:12.48 | nsadmin | oh great, glad it's working so far |
| 06:13.03 | scwizard_ | cra_, type in "su" |
| 06:13.06 | cra_ | yes, worse case I use this disk to get into w7 for work |
| 06:13.09 | scwizard_ | then type in the root password |
| 06:13.15 | cra_ | ok |
| 06:13.19 | nevyn | scwizard_: he's not logged in is he? |
| 06:13.29 | scwizard_ | nevyn, yes he is |
| 06:13.32 | nevyn | oh ok. |
| 06:13.34 | scwizard_ | cra_, now type in "run update-grub" |
| 06:13.38 | cra_ | yes, I`m currently in debian |
| 06:13.43 | cra_ | now I`ve switched to root |
| 06:13.44 | cra_ | ok |
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| 06:14.03 | cra_ | bash: run: command not found |
| 06:14.12 | cra_ | ooops |
| 06:14.13 | scwizard_ | >_> |
| 06:14.15 | cra_ | angon |
| 06:14.18 | scwizard_ | whoops I meant "update-grub" |
| 06:14.25 | nevyn | yes you did ;) |
| 06:14.25 | tparcina | I have reported BUG in squeeze and maintainer has reply me that it's fixed in sid. Is this bug closed, because it is fixed in sid, or it should be open because it is still broken in current stable? |
| 06:14.46 | nevyn | tparcina: is it a seurity BUG? |
| 06:14.53 | cra_ | still get the same report..... command not found |
| 06:15.12 | scwizard_ | cra_, you are root? |
| 06:15.16 | cra_ | currently it says root@debian:/home/me# |
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| 06:15.28 | scwizard_ | and "update-grub" says "command not found"? |
| 06:15.29 | tparcina | nevyn: No, program crashes. |
| 06:15.42 | cra_ | NO! |
| 06:15.56 | cra_ | update-grub seems to have done something |
| 06:15.57 | cra_ | !! |
| 06:15.57 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:16.01 | scwizard_ | yay |
| 06:16.07 | scwizard_ | cra_, now type in "reboot" |
| 06:16.14 | nevyn | tparcina: so it should be open tagged stable. |
| 06:16.21 | nevyn | I think |
| 06:16.27 | nevyn | if it causes dataloss |
| 06:16.34 | nevyn | it's kinda fuzzy. |
| 06:16.49 | nevyn | wanders off to look at the policy manual |
| 06:17.03 | cra_ | Noooo!!! same error!! |
| 06:17.10 | cra_ | Non-system disk or disk error |
| 06:17.42 | tparcina | nevyn: This is the bug - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670523 |
| 06:17.50 | tparcina | nevyn: How to tag it stable? |
| 06:18.22 | scwizard_ | cra_, as root "apt-get install os-prober" |
| 06:18.30 | cra_ | back booting with Supergrub2 and it can see them again |
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| 06:18.37 | scwizard_ | then "os-prober" |
| 06:18.39 | cra_ | ok |
| 06:18.42 | scwizard_ | then "grub-update" |
| 06:18.50 | scwizard_ | *"update-grub" |
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| 06:19.06 | nsadmin | did he instal-grub yet? |
| 06:19.24 | scwizard_ | nsadmin, yeah because he said "update-grub" did something when he did it before |
| 06:19.26 | cra_ | no installation candidate |
| 06:19.42 | nsadmin | update-grub does not install grub tho |
| 06:19.48 | nsadmin | just so ya know :) |
| 06:20.03 | scwizard_ | >_> |
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| 06:20.47 | scwizard_ | nsadmin, you take it from here >_> I'm inexperienced troubleshooting *nix for other people |
| 06:20.55 | nsadmin | one reason I'm thinking in this direction is it seems his mbr isn't firing up grub |
| 06:21.21 | cra_ | what should I do now...it didn`t seem to do anything.... |
| 06:21.45 | scwizard_ | cra_, try "install-grub" as root (I think) |
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| 06:21.54 | nsadmin | if worst case, keep using supergrub to boot... you can live with it for a few days.. |
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| 06:23.47 | cra_ | nope...it isn`t having it!! |
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| 06:24.07 | cra_ | I`ve tried reinstalling grub but it doesn`t show... I just keep getting non-system disk or disk error |
| 06:24.55 | cra_ | the commands you are telling me to write seem to do something (lines of code follow) but then I get the same error |
| 06:25.02 | nevyn | cra_: where did you say to install grub to? |
| 06:25.17 | nevyn | and is the boot partition of your linux install marked as bootable? |
| 06:25.21 | cra_ | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 06:25.49 | cra_ | i don`t know that nevyn |
| 06:27.15 | nevyn | cra_: so during the debian install you're asked at some point if you want to install grub into the mbr or the boot partition. |
| 06:27.43 | cra_ | I can`t remember but I presume so... my answer will have be default at what was set |
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| 06:28.44 | nsadmin | cra_, do yourself a big favor... start keeping a journal about what you install to your debian |
| 06:28.52 | cra_ | ok. |
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| 06:29.30 | cra_ | I better go to work as I`m late. I`ll just have to boot with supergrub today until I try and have more time to sort it tonight |
| 06:29.51 | cra_ | I presume if I login to w7 and delete the debian partition, I can then try and reinstall it |
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| 06:31.18 | cra_ | a?? |
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| 06:32.07 | nsadmin | you don't even have to del the partition from windows |
| 06:32.07 | BenNZ | cra_: did you use grub-install /dev/sda to try to reinstall grub? |
| 06:32.10 | nsadmin | or at all |
| 06:32.37 | cra_ | benz yes |
| 06:33.09 | cra_ | oh, just go through the install again. I think that was mentioned earlier |
| 06:33.19 | BenNZ | cra_: you want something more like mount /dev/sdxy /mnt && grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt /dev/sdx |
| 06:33.37 | cra_ | :-S ouch |
| 06:33.56 | cra_ | I`m thinking debian may be above me!! |
| 06:34.07 | taxman | ??? |
| 06:34.25 | cra_ | too complicated |
| 06:34.32 | nsadmin | debian is 2 feet forward and 5 inched down |
| 06:35.00 | cra_ | I don`t know what half of the things your talking about mean!!! |
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| 06:35.16 | cra_ | in all honesty, don`t even know what the grub is AND what I`m even trying to solve!! |
| 06:35.21 | nsadmin | which happens to be the location of my laptop :) |
| 06:35.41 | nsadmin | grub is a os loader |
| 06:36.30 | nsadmin | its purpose is to load a few modules and then start the kernel |
| 06:36.34 | taxman | you may choose another easier bootloader. not lilo or grub or grub2 |
| 06:37.01 | taxman | there is many elite choices |
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| 06:37.21 | nsadmin | or eheavy choices |
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| 06:48.04 | ag4ve | are all debian cd images made so they can be dd'd onto a usb drive? |
| 06:49.16 | ag4ve | ie, i got this image: http://napoleon.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:49.24 | orl_ | nsadmin, tremon, themill, ChrisH: I didn't have the time to thank you. It's working by now, the point is just I finally didn't check on which device grub was installed, and as the machine is quite old, I cannot choose on which HDD it boots. Thanks a lot by the way. |
| 06:49.32 | nsadmin | you certainly can do that... but the real question is: dd it for what purpose? |
| 06:50.03 | ag4ve | how else do i get the iso onto a thumb drive? |
| 06:50.48 | ag4ve | i ask because i see this "Several of the Debian CD and Debian Live images are created using isohybrid" - not all? |
| 06:51.04 | nsadmin | you can copy the file to a dir in the filesysteim on the thum drive... if you dd to the thumb, you would destroy the filesystem |
| 06:51.07 | ag4ve | and this image isn't booting. so i'm just curious |
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| 06:52.04 | ag4ve | well, unless i give it a count= and my fs and partition table has an offset < count |
| 06:52.23 | ag4ve | but, yes i'm destroying whatever is on the thumb drive |
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| 06:53.42 | ag4ve | actually, i'm giving it an if= so, if fs and table is < the size of input file..... but that's hardly my question :) |
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| 06:54.19 | nsadmin | which cd image did you dd |
| 06:54.34 | ag4ve | ie, i got this image: http://napoleon.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 06:57.30 | nsadmin | is it your purpose to boot the netinstall? |
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| 06:58.06 | nsadmin | so far, other than circumstantial clues, purpose is not clear |
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| 07:01.09 | ag4ve | yeah, i want to boot the netinstall from a usb thumb drive |
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| 07:04.16 | ag4ve | so, i figured it out - the boot process is 'quiet' - not very good for troubleshooting :( |
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| 07:21.59 | judgen | I have a strange issue, some applications have a wierd crackling while using sounds. cmus does not, but for instance vlc and KDE applications does. Any ideas? |
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| 07:27.53 | nsadmin | roasts marshmellows |
| 07:28.30 | Iridos | maybe you get noise from use of the hard disk or something else |
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| 07:28.59 | Iridos | my speakers pick up the signal from mobiles something dreadful... |
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| 07:41.13 | mrklowny | I'm getting no default route was set on installation. I can't connect to the internet during installation even with ethernet cord. Any ideas how to remedy this? |
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| 07:42.21 | joshy612 | Hi, is there a way to make a snapshot of a live system? I want to replicate a database which i cant take down. |
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| 07:47.00 | Iridos | just copy everything excluding /dev/ /proc/ /sys/ |
| 07:47.13 | Iridos | of course, if you have writes to a file you just copy at the time.... |
| 07:48.41 | Iridos | mrklowny, then internet wasn't configured at all. just choose the menu-point that sets it up again? |
| 07:49.26 | Iridos | problem is more likely your ethernet card is not recognized or the firmware is missing |
| 07:49.29 | nsadmin | joshy612, if that database is in postgres, it's easy, just see man pg_dump |
| 07:49.41 | mrklowny | Iridos it doesn't work no matter how many times I try. It does say that I have missing firmware and that I should use a removable media |
| 07:50.02 | judgen | Iridos: my problem mostly appear at the start of the system.. after playing a video for a while it stops |
| 07:50.04 | Iridos | right... was going to say dumping the database separately from copying everything else would make a lot of sense :) |
| 07:50.14 | judgen | and it is this way after every boot |
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| 07:50.37 | Iridos | judgen, still sounds like some hardware stuff... then warms up and goes away |
| 07:50.42 | joshy612 | nsadmin - from the time of dumping it and to the time of restoring it there would be too many changes |
| 07:51.13 | judgen | yeah but what hardware? could it be related to pulseaudio as i do not get sound without it |
| 07:51.22 | nsadmin | postgres is acid-compliant and so is pg_dump |
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| 07:52.11 | nsadmin | but for databases which are not, you will have to stop the db engine |
| 07:52.30 | nsadmin | in order to avoid the exact problem you cite |
| 07:52.52 | joshy612 | i have psql, so its fine, but lets say i dump it at 10am, and the restoration will be completed on machine B at 1pm, there are 3 hours of missing data |
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| 07:53.06 | Iridos | mrklowny, for a start should see if you see the network card at all and what it is. then can decide if you need a newer kernel version or just firmware or what |
| 07:53.45 | nsadmin | joshy612, you get all the data which is current as of the start of the dump |
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| 07:54.11 | nsadmin | 1 pm is not relevent, AND you'll get it next time you do the dump |
| 07:54.28 | joshy612 | nsadmin, yes but i need the live snapshot - if i want to do a pgsql binary replication, i must have the exact data on both servers at the same time |
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| 07:55.24 | nsadmin | joshy612, go to #postgres and ask if you can do live replication (obviously you can't do it this time) |
| 07:55.40 | joshy612 | ok thanks |
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| 07:55.47 | jomofcw | Morning :D ! |
| 07:55.49 | nsadmin | err not #postgres |
| 07:55.56 | nsadmin | #postgresql |
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| 07:57.15 | Iridos | actually... if this wasn't about cloning the whole system but just the database I don't see how this was debian-related at all |
| 07:57.46 | jomofcw | I have previously CHOWN/CHMOD a directory (and each of its sub-directories/files) to enable each user of a same group to edit those. But, after that, if a user of this group create a new file/directory, only this user could edit it. How can I enable each user of the same group to edit each files/directoriescreated by a user of this group all over the time ? please. |
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| 07:59.24 | Iridos | jomofcw, set the group suid bit on the directory and filese therein will be created with this group. Have users change their umask to group-writable... doesn't help if they create subdirectories, though |
| 07:59.42 | Iridos | jomofcw, or have a cronjob reset settings periodically :P |
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| 08:01.03 | Iridos | or, if you think that's hackish, set up more complicated rights management like acl |
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| 08:02.20 | jomofcw | Hm Iridos... I'm a real newbie :x... I really don't know what all this mean :/. |
| 08:02.41 | pm5000 | Normally folders inherit rights from their parent folders |
| 08:03.06 | pm5000 | so if you set the parent folder as standard group-readable, the child folders should use this rights too |
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| 08:04.39 | Iridos | pm5000, nope |
| 08:04.52 | jomofcw | pm5000 ity is readable anyway. The prob is, it is not writable. |
| 08:05.37 | pm5000 | they.. dont? |
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| 08:06.03 | Iridos | jomofcw, mkdir directory; chown someuser:yourgroup directory; chmod ug+rwx,g+s directory |
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| 08:07.48 | Iridos | pm5000, in users .bashrc: umask 0002 (that makes _all_ files that user creates group-readable. In default setups that is no problem, though, as every user gets his own group as well and has to manually switch to other groups to create files owned by that group) |
| 08:08.20 | Iridos | pm5000, wherever did you get that idea from? what permissions files/directories get depends on your umask |
| 08:08.37 | Iridos | inheritance is an acl thing |
| 08:08.51 | Iridos | or so I think... was always too lazy to set that up anywhere |
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| 08:09.31 | anddam | hello |
| 08:09.39 | pm5000 | ok sorry jomofcw, I have never experienced a change in rights in subdirectories |
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| 08:10.23 | anddam | what is the difference between iso-hybrid and usb-hdd? http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ says the latter is provided when a BIOS won't support the former but doesn't explain the difference |
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| 08:10.42 | anddam | also http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/6.0.4/i386/ has a "web" directory whose images don't have any info |
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| 08:11.01 | anddam | what's this "web" live flavor? |
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| 08:13.20 | Iridos | I could also just guess... there's #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:13.32 | jomofcw | Iridos OK thanks I'll try. |
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| 08:13.44 | icez | anddam: iso-hybrid allows a CD image to be copied to usb, and still be bootable. |
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| 08:15.00 | anddam | icez: copied like copying the .iso file, not its content? |
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| 08:15.40 | anddam | as opposed to .img file whose content is dumped on the device? |
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| 08:16.22 | anddam | icez: nope, seems I'm wrong http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix |
| 08:16.28 | icez | anddam: a normal iso, that you write to usb (using dd for example) won't boot |
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| 08:17.00 | icez | iso-hybrid means you can write it to a CD or usb-hdd/etc... as you wish |
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| 08:17.36 | anddam | ok |
| 08:17.54 | anddam | while usb-hdd live image is only suitable to be dumped on a disk |
| 08:18.07 | anddam | including USB disk, right? |
| 08:18.54 | icez | yup |
| 08:19.00 | anddam | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-mac should be slightly edited |
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| 08:19.13 | jomofcw | Iridos a detail perhaps but : those files are created using FTP, via VSFTPd of debian squeeze. Perhaps it's a umask prob in VSFTPd config ? |
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| 08:19.48 | anddam | icez: so one should try if the iso-hybrid dumped to an USB key works and eventually fall back on usb-hdd image, right? |
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| 08:21.22 | icez | anddam: i don't think either way makes much of a difference other than iso-hybrid lets projects release a single image file...but I could be wrong |
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| 08:32.00 | anddam | icez: why provide both image flavors then? |
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| 08:33.34 | Iridos | jomofcw, that's not a detail... do people access it over a shell at all? look at vsftpds documentation (and there is a well-commented config file, too) a lot of options deal with this kind of thing |
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| 10:00.10 | Iridos | hi Go_Apple, oh you're gone |
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| 10:02.47 | ikonia | Iridos: he's not, he's here as networking spamming |
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| 10:02.57 | ikonia | (as in the nickname networking) |
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| 10:03.30 | ikonia | ooh, he's gone as networking too |
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| 10:07.30 | Iridos | it was just a way of saying "oooh, we react so quickly" anyway |
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| 10:07.39 | Iridos | but I see you're catching up :) |
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| 10:13.16 | cedr | Does the debian security announce have a RSS feed of announcements? |
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| 10:17.21 | babilen | cedr: http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long comes to mind |
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| 10:17.49 | babilen | cedr: But you really want to subscribe to the security-announce mailing list |
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| 10:18.46 | cedr | ah okay - I was looking into automation, but automating via email shouldn't be hard :) |
| 10:19.09 | babilen | Automate what? |
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| 10:20.58 | Arafangion | And what's "automation"? Microsoft's de-generificalised that term. :( |
| 10:21.09 | Arafangion | (The bastards) |
| 10:21.51 | cedr | Oh, posting security announcements to an IRC channel |
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| 10:28.42 | DelphiWorld | hello Debianators ;) |
| 10:29.02 | DelphiWorld | how can i switch from Ncurses to readline? |
| 10:29.03 | lcc | will debian ever change it's release cycle? |
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| 10:29.22 | DelphiWorld | lcc: i don't think, debian is very strict in the release management |
| 10:29.32 | ksk | lcc: maybe? what kind of question is this? or, what do you want? :P |
| 10:30.25 | DelphiWorld | Look like lcc is lybia Communication Commition :P |
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| 10:30.32 | lcc | ksk: I use wheezy, because it supports all of my new packages, but I like using stable distros. |
| 10:30.46 | lcc | DelphiWorld: lydian chromatic concept |
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| 10:31.03 | DelphiWorld | lcc: :P |
| 10:31.10 | ksk | imo if you do run servers professional you dont (always) need all this up2date stuff if you dont do anything too special |
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| 10:31.35 | ksk | using debian stable as a desktop of course is kinda "boring" |
| 10:31.39 | DelphiWorld | ksk: right now i'm in Unstable;) |
| 10:31.51 | cedr | for servers i'd def. go with 'stable |
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| 10:32.07 | lcc | ksk: yes, that's the way I feel about it. |
| 10:32.13 | DelphiWorld | submit +1 to cedr |
| 10:32.48 | lcc | debian squeeze uses a depreciated version of perl for example. |
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| 10:33.51 | DelphiWorld | lcc: but like for me stable helped me to compile some old software that use ffmpeg 0.5 |
| 10:34.22 | lcc | I guess my question is, can I have the best of both worlds? can I use specific wheezy packages, while keeping a stable base? and not causing dependency hell? |
| 10:34.38 | babilen | !tell lcc -about backports |
| 10:34.41 | babilen | !tell lcc -about ssb |
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| 10:35.03 | babilen | lcc: I'd like to note that updating Perl is definitely not an option |
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| 11:03.39 | bassliner | how do i prevent pppoe from being started after answering yes to "start pppoe on boot" in pppoeconf? |
| 11:03.44 | bassliner | e.g. how to disable that? |
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| 11:14.09 | burhan | is there a way to know which process created a file? |
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| 11:15.04 | iceroot | burhan: no, there is only the way to see if the file is part of a package or if a program is currently using that file |
| 11:15.06 | burhan | the /tmp on my server keeps getting full and I want to know which process is creating these files - they all have this pattern temp* |
| 11:15.21 | burhan | tempFULKqN <- for example |
| 11:15.35 | iceroot | burhan: maybe "iotop" is showing that what is currently using it |
| 11:15.54 | burhan | I have a suspicion its created by cron, since the user that is creating the files only has a cron task. |
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| 11:16.22 | burhan | but the cron job itself is wget -O http://localhost/somefile 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 11:17.13 | burhan | on a related question, I cannot rm temp* the files because I get an error - something like "too many files" |
| 11:17.26 | burhan | I always end up doing find . -name "temp*" -exec rm {} \; |
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| 11:18.22 | iceroot | burhan: rm foo* is producing "to many files" as an error? |
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| 11:18.38 | burhan | yes, something like file list too long or argument too long |
| 11:18.49 | burhan | I can't recall exactly the exact text of the error |
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| 11:19.40 | iceroot | its because the shell is expanding foo* to the filenames and at the end the command will be rm foo1 foo2 foo3 foo4 .... |
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| 11:19.52 | burhan | oh |
| 11:20.01 | iceroot | rm will never see the *, bash will expand it before to all fielnames |
| 11:20.16 | burhan | is there a better workaround for it than the find trick that I am used to? |
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| 11:21.02 | iceroot | maybe rm can handle * too. rm foo\* |
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| 11:21.16 | ChrisH | argument list too long, is the expected error... find exec or find | xargs is the standard solution. |
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| 11:21.30 | burhan | well - the weirdness continues - I just ran iotop and Total DISK WRITE: 0.00 B/s ? |
| 11:21.59 | burhan | I thought it would be at least in the MB/s since I am deleting files. |
| 11:22.16 | iceroot | burhan: to fast for iotop |
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| 11:22.43 | waltman | Something changed in testing in the latest update, and now I'm getting errors from a cron job every half hour complaining that it can't find /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/curl.so and /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/intl.so. Any idea how I can stop them? |
| 11:22.47 | iceroot | burhan: and deleting files is not producing much traffic, even it is a 100TB file. |
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| 11:24.56 | Iridos | burhan, or: for file in temp*; do rm $file; done |
| 11:25.58 | iceroot | "$file" :) |
| 11:26.18 | Iridos | right |
| 11:26.22 | burhan | Iridos: I'm not sure - but I think that might only work on bash? |
| 11:26.33 | Iridos | right as well |
| 11:26.39 | iceroot | burhan: on all common shells |
| 11:26.41 | Iridos | well, dunno about ksh |
| 11:26.45 | iceroot | burhan: nash, zsh, ksh |
| 11:26.49 | iceroot | bash |
| 11:27.04 | Iridos | do not arsk about: csh, tcsh, dash |
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| 11:27.24 | burhan | dash? that's a new one |
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| 11:28.10 | Iridos | burhan, that's what debian uses for a boot-up/scripting shell for /bin/sh since squeeze |
| 11:28.14 | iceroot | burhan: that is your default on /bin/sh |
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| 11:28.28 | iceroot | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mär 29 19:40 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 11:29.50 | burhan | why would this > dev/null > 2>&1 create output to /tmp ? |
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| 11:29.59 | Iridos | oh, actually dash has for loops |
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| 11:30.33 | Iridos | because it's not /dev/null but dev/null? |
| 11:30.41 | iceroot | burhan: because wget itself is using /tmp |
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| 11:31.02 | burhan | hrmm right, except this is another cron. |
| 11:31.15 | burhan | php -f cron.php > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 11:31.34 | Iridos | wonders what effect the spurious > after the null has |
| 11:32.22 | Iridos | ah, it produces an error |
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| 11:33.09 | burhan | this delete is taking a long time. |
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| 11:36.03 | burhan | what is a recommended tool to create a monitoring dashboard - I was looking at fms, but is there one that is recommended? I already looked at zenoss and hyperic/nagios |
| 11:36.16 | burhan | monitoring on system and app level. |
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| 11:38.38 | Iridos | burhan, let tmpreaper do the deleting? |
| 11:38.49 | burhan | what's tmpreaper |
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| 11:39.17 | Iridos | apt-cache show tmpreaper? |
| 11:39.38 | burhan | yeap |
| 11:39.39 | burhan | on it |
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| 11:47.25 | fasta | Is there some configuration option in Icedove such that it doesn't create a window when sending a message? |
| 11:47.43 | fasta | I just want it send the message and get out of my way. |
| 11:48.10 | fasta | If after 10 minutes it still didn't send anything, then it might think about informing me of the progress or lack thereof. |
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| 11:49.33 | iceroot | fasta: i use this "send it later" so its stored in the local send folter. then right click on that folder and choose "send now" then its not opening a window and just the status is in the lower bar shown |
| 11:50.11 | iceroot | using thunderbird but it should be the same |
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| 11:52.15 | burhan | is there a cli-only program that streams internet radio? |
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| 11:56.00 | jelly | burhan: most music players can do it, eg. mplayer or vlc with dummy interface |
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| 11:58.42 | secret_hamster | anyone using multipath, I'm trying to setup a connection to a SAN but I get the feeling I'm editing the wrong file |
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| 12:03.02 | a_secret_hamster | secret_hamster: nice nick! |
| 12:03.19 | a_secret_hamster | srry will be changing back, just wanted to try it on to see how it feels |
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| 12:16.56 | robin_debspace | Hello everyone :-) |
| 12:17.08 | abrotman | he's back! |
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| 12:17.47 | robin_debspace | abrotman: Ha… What's that supposed to mean? Hehe :-) |
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| 12:18.04 | __zero | is there anyway to execute the openssl command behind a proxy? |
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| 12:18.56 | d0x | is it possible to get the hostname of an ip adress in a local network? |
| 12:19.06 | d0x | i like to have to hostname of 192.168.2.157 |
| 12:19.19 | d0x | dig, host, nslookup is not possible |
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| 12:20.04 | robin_debspace | __zero: Do you mean using openssl to connect from a machine behind a proxy to another remote machine? (I've never done that myself, but I know it's possible) |
| 12:20.15 | abrotman | d0x: internal dns or with samba |
| 12:20.21 | __zero | robin_debspace: yes |
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| 12:20.30 | abrotman | d0x: possibly with mdns if you have that working, doubtful you do |
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| 12:21.23 | fasta | iceroot: that requires multiple clicks. |
| 12:21.27 | __zero | robin_debspace: openssl tries to connect to the other machine but it doesnt work behind the proxy, that's the problem. |
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| 12:22.02 | robin_debspace | __zero: Hmm… Like I said I've never had to do that yet. However, I think it should be no problem as long as the proxy allows outgoing connections on that port. |
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| 12:23.11 | robin_debspace | __zero: What port are you trying to connect to? |
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| 12:25.03 | d0x | abrotman: thx, mdns works well |
| 12:25.15 | __zero | robin_debspace: 80.. that's the weird part.. |
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| 12:27.33 | robin_debspace | __zero: Oh, yes… Hmmm, well, the thing is that port 80 is meant only for insecure HTTP connections, not for SSL stuff… The question here probably is whether or not your proxy modifies HTTP connection in any way, e.g. adding an X-header or anything like that. |
| 12:28.38 | __zero | robin_debspace: yes, that's probably the reason.. |
| 12:29.05 | robin_debspace | __zero: Because if the proxy detects an outgoing connection on port 80, it will assume it's unencrypted HTTP traffic and possibly try to modify it in any way… And of course this will fail if the traffic is actually SSL protected. |
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| 12:29.28 | robin_debspace | __zero: You don't have access to the proxy's logs, do you? |
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| 12:30.18 | __zero | robin_debspace: no, not at all |
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| 12:31.21 | Iridos | robin_debspace, unlikely |
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| 12:31.56 | robin_debspace | __zero: OK… Well, is there any way you can change the config on the server you're trying to connect to? Because if yes, you could try changing the port from 80 to 443 (the standard HTTPS port) or something that's not standard, e.g. 10443. |
| 12:32.00 | Iridos | __zero, try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=test |
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| 12:32.40 | Iridos | and firefox/iceweasel and all other browsers I ever checked have separate proxy entries for http, ftp and https |
| 12:32.47 | Iridos | so I'd check configuration |
| 12:32.59 | Iridos | and the proxy could just not allow using https |
| 12:33.05 | iceroot | fasta: can also be done via shortcuts |
| 12:33.08 | krisfremen | firefox's internal proxy is messy |
| 12:33.10 | Iridos | as that doesn't even let the proxy see the url |
| 12:33.18 | krisfremen | use foxyproxy |
| 12:33.29 | krisfremen | it also allows the dns requests to be done via a socks proxy |
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| 12:33.39 | iceroot | fasta: ctrl + shift + enter to put it in the local send folder |
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| 12:34.00 | Iridos | krisfremen, so does iceweasels proxy settings |
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| 12:34.38 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Well, I was just trying to help by offering some ideas… But if you think I'm wrong, I'd be glad if you could correct me and point me in the right direction. |
| 12:35.25 | Iridos | robin_debspace, it's easily tested if you are right by going to some ssl page that isn't on port 80, which I suggested to him already |
| 12:35.50 | Iridos | robin_debspace, no need to second-guess if you're right or wrong if there's a simple test to find out for sure |
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| 12:36.26 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Oh, yeah that's true of course… Should have thought of that myself, sorry :-) |
| 12:36.26 | Iridos | :) |
| 12:36.44 | fasta | How can I change the window border color of firefox? |
| 12:37.16 | fasta | I only want it to hold for this one pid. |
| 12:37.17 | xand | firefox isn't in debian so that question is offtopic :) |
| 12:37.28 | fasta | xand: iceweasel then. |
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| 12:37.59 | Iridos | robin_debspace, but he's gorn anyway... so I guess we'll not find out :) |
| 12:38.02 | xand | anyway, it'd depend on your window manager, which would need to support that |
| 12:38.09 | fasta | xand: kwin |
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| 12:39.26 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Yep, what a shame! Oh well… Maybe he'll be back… Or maybe the proxy admin checked the logs and blocked IRC traffic xD |
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| 12:42.07 | g3orge | I have a laptop and a desktop machine and I want to configure the second so I can ssh to it from anywhere in the world. is there any good tutorial/resource about that??? Everything I find is a mess... Thanks |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | g3orge: this is on a ton of sites on google |
| 12:43.00 | Iridos | robin_debspace, hehe... self-solving problems! best way |
| 12:43.01 | Iridos | !next |
| 12:43.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:43.15 | petemc | g3orge: most commonly you just need to forward port 22 on the router to the desktop, and optionally use dynamic dns to keep track of your ip if its prone to changing |
| 12:44.08 | g3orge | I was told to use opendns. is it good? |
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| 12:45.14 | Iridos | dpkg, good |
| 12:45.36 | Iridos | dpkg, best |
| 12:45.36 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 12:47.09 | robin_debspace | :-) Anyway… Are there any embedded PC experts around? I've got an old Soekris box that I'd like to dig out and use as a network router… But in order to do that, I need to install Debian on the Compact Flash card somehow and get the box to boot from it… What would be the best way of doing that? I could just connect a card reader with that CF card to my machine and install Debian on it, but that would mean that the fstab would |
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| 12:50.13 | Iridos | robin_debspace, your sentence is cut off |
| 12:50.31 | Iridos | and I guess you can use disk labels for your fstab |
| 12:51.14 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Huh, really? Where did it cut off for you? Cause I can see the whole thing here... |
| 12:51.26 | Iridos | but that would mean that the fstab would |
| 12:51.43 | Iridos | I don't think a sentece would end at would |
| 12:51.49 | Iridos | (with the exception of this one) |
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| 12:52.38 | robin_debspace | Iridos: OK… Do you know of any good howto explaining the process of doing that or should I just look around myself? Cause I'm still used to using the old way, e.g. /dev/sda1 etc. |
| 12:53.09 | ivh_ | Hi. I'm upgrading my box from squeeze->wheezy and ran into dependency problems http://tmy.se/t/deps.txt Any hints on how to resolve this? |
| 12:53.13 | Iridos | dpkg, label |
| 12:53.14 | dpkg | Labels can be set on some filesystems, enabling referencing via LABEL=foo in <fstab>. To set: Ext{2,3,4}: e2label /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (16 char limit); XFS: xfs_admin -L foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (12 char limit); FAT{16,32}: dosfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (11 char limit); NTFS: ntfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (128 char limit); ReiserFS: reiserfstune -l foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (16 char limit). To mount: mount -L foo dir. See also <uuid>. |
| 12:53.24 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Oh, sorry… Yep, it cut off there then... |
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| 12:54.21 | robin_debspace | Iridos: What I said was that the fstab wouldn't be accurate for the Soekris box so the system wouldn't even be able to mount the CF card, and I'm not sure if the GRUB configuration would have to be changed... |
| 12:54.21 | abrotman | ivh_: also please paste your sources.list |
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| 12:54.40 | robin_debspace | So I was wondering if Debootstrapping it or installing in any other way would be more appropriate. |
| 12:54.56 | Iridos | robin_debspace, and I think the installer does automatically choose UUID labels when possible when generating fstab |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | ivh_: also, the release notes say to use apt-get not aptitude to perform the dist-upgrade |
| 12:55.05 | DammitJim | can someone remind me of why there is no fragmentation problems in linux's ext4 vs windows NTFS? |
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| 12:55.37 | ivh_ | abrotman: http://tmy.se/t/sources_list.txt |
| 12:55.52 | abrotman | DammitJim: google "why doesn't ext fragment" |
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| 12:56.12 | abrotman | ivh_: are you doing any pinning ? |
| 12:56.32 | ivh_ | abrotman: I use apt-get. no pinning |
| 12:56.34 | abrotman | ivh_: in order to finish this, comment out everything except the wheezy lines .. use apt-get |
| 12:56.40 | ivh_ | and no packages on hold afaics |
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| 12:56.47 | abrotman | ivh_: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:57.54 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Thanks for that! And nope, at least not for me… I recently installed Squeeze on a system and it went with the /dev/xxxx way… Maybe the Testing installer uses UUID labels, not sure about that though... |
| 12:58.18 | DammitJim | abrotman, ok, so it's specific to ext, right? |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | DammitJim: i'm not sure if xfs/jfs work the same way .. but it's obvious NTFS does not .. AFAIK, all the ext2/3/4 work that way though |
| 12:59.21 | DammitJim | ok, thanks :) |
| 12:59.55 | ivh_ | abrotman: yes, that is how I started the upgrade. no change when I remove all but the two wheezy lines. |
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| 13:00.14 | Iridos | robin_debspace, mmh, dunno. my desktop is broken. but my laptop features UUIDs and I cannot remember looking them up myself... but perhaps I did a longish time ago and forgot |
| 13:00.16 | ivh_ | the first file I posted was the output of apt-get -f install, btw |
| 13:01.19 | abrotman | ivh_: try using aptitude .. seeif it complains |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | ivh_: it's not really the recommended way, but it's sometimes better at figuring out hte broken bits |
| 13:01.51 | blueyed | Where is /etc/debian_chroot being created? I have a chroot created via debootstrap and it does not have this file. |
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| 13:02.20 | ivh_ | abrotman: well, aptitude suggests a solution where >200 packages would be deinstalled. :) |
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| 13:02.38 | abrotman | ivh_: well, that may be necessary .. are you doing this from inside gnome? |
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| 13:03.11 | ivh_ | abrotman: yeah, but it wants to deinstall X, so I'll switch to console... |
| 13:03.36 | abrotman | cute |
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| 13:04.24 | daniel-s_ | if I install openntpd, when is it going to update the time on my computer? |
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| 13:05.58 | calixte | Hi, is anybody on a MacBookPro ? |
| 13:06.22 | robin_debspace | Iridos: Hehe… Oh well, that happens! But no worries, I guess I'll just try setting it up and see where that goes… Thanks a lot for pointing out the disk labels though, will try that!!! :-) |
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| 13:07.48 | ivh_ | abrotman: btw, is there a way to find/deinstall all the packages that are no loner in the archive? this box has been installed with potato(!) and upgraded ever since. |
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| 13:09.38 | Iridos | ivh_, apt-show-version tries to compare against versions in the archive(s) |
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| 13:09.58 | abrotman | ivh_: /msg dpkg which repo .. but gneerally .. dpkg -l | grep potato |
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| 13:11.09 | ivh_ | thx both! |
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| 13:11.22 | Iridos | ivh_, you could also have some fun with things like aptitude why-not libevince3-3 |
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| 13:12.12 | stephan48 | hi we are having a virtual machine here(hosted on some parrallels baremetall thingy), and when openvpn is loaded on boot the vm doesnt show any login prompt. any quick hint which could cause that? |
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| 13:14.20 | abrotman | ivh_: and don't feel bad .. i had boxes like that .. i think one has even gone since slink |
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| 13:15.27 | ivh_ | abrotman: I find it charming. non-debian-users usually don't believe this possible when I tell it ;) |
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| 13:16.33 | Iridos | abrotman, and you gave that one up! |
| 13:17.33 | Iridos | ivh_, my machines used to be clones of clones of a machine that went back to potato as well... then decided to try set up a new one for squeeze :) |
| 13:17.36 | blop123 | hello everyone, i just installed debian kde and am looking for the package manager, could you tell what the name is? |
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| 13:18.59 | Iridos | aptitude? |
| 13:19.22 | abrotman | Iridos: gave what up ? |
| 13:19.39 | Iridos | abrotman, the box that went back to slink |
| 13:19.53 | abrotman | Iridos: uh .. i still have it |
| 13:20.00 | abrotman | Iridos: the alphas were from potato |
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| 13:20.22 | Iridos | i see |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | Iridos: admittedly, it's not hard to do .. you just need floppies :) |
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| 13:22.44 | itstriz | Does anyone know how to do a recursive mv command? I'm having trouble figuring it out |
| 13:22.56 | bolt | recursive how? |
| 13:23.10 | bolt | moving a directory generally moves the contents |
| 13:23.39 | Iridos | perhaps move it somewhere and then move it back :) |
| 13:23.45 | itstriz | haha |
| 13:23.49 | itstriz | I mean, subdirectories too |
| 13:23.53 | itstriz | and all files and stucture |
| 13:23.55 | bolt | mv does that |
| 13:23.57 | virtuose | yep |
| 13:23.59 | itstriz | hrm |
| 13:24.00 | virtuose | it does |
| 13:24.04 | itstriz | weird |
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| 13:24.28 | gunfire007 | if i want to use rpm package how can i use ?? |
| 13:24.43 | virtuose | perhaps try with a / at the end of the string myfolder/ |
| 13:24.55 | daemonkeeper | gunfire007: alien. And you don't want to do that. |
| 13:25.24 | ivh_ | is debfoster still around or what is the preferred way to clean up among packages nowadays? |
| 13:25.27 | itstriz | got it, thanks |
| 13:25.44 | daemonkeeper | ivh_: apt-get autoremove |
| 13:26.00 | bolt | deborphan exists, i think |
| 13:26.13 | gunfire007 | daemonkeeper: i got a investing software which is in rpm format. |
| 13:26.22 | bolt | gunfire007: no source? |
| 13:26.37 | gunfire007 | possible no.... |
| 13:26.41 | gunfire007 | i have to recheck it.. |
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| 13:26.51 | ivh_ | daemonkeeper: sure, I'm thinking of the ones that not just were a depedendancy but explicitly installed. |
| 13:27.32 | gunfire007 | bolt: if the sourc |
| 13:27.48 | gunfire007 | if the source is there i can compile it and then use it right ??? |
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| 13:28.30 | bolt | if you have the dependencies and the source is compatible with your platform and compiler, then sure |
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| 13:31.22 | gunfire007 | can i install debian on arm architecture ?? |
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| 13:31.39 | gunfire007 | thanks bolt |
| 13:31.46 | bolt | http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
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| 13:32.13 | SomeoneWeird | anyone know how to clear all the sessions in screen? |
| 13:32.29 | deitarion | How would I get something equivalent to the output of `dpkg --get-selections` but only showing packages that weren't pulled in by dependencies? I'm not sure how I'd Google for that. |
| 13:33.43 | deitarion | (Basically, I want something as close as possible to the minimum set of apt-get arguments I'd need to feed into a fresh system to get an equivalent package load-out so I can check it over by hand more easily.) |
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| 13:36.20 | sumo123 | hi |
| 13:37.12 | DammitJim | alright... please use me as an example of stupidity |
| 13:37.23 | DammitJim | last night, I realized that my server had been compromised |
| 13:37.33 | DammitJim | because of a silly user I created at some point and forgot about it |
| 13:37.42 | jelly | deitarion: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 13:37.49 | DammitJim | don't create temporary users with weak passwords |
| 13:37.51 | DammitJim | *sigh* |
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| 13:38.53 | nkuttler | notices his printer doesn't crash when sending files through lpr instead of using evince.. |
| 13:39.34 | DammitJim | anyone familiar with this: Hawker Hunter v2.0 |
| 13:40.19 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/HVpaBr9u |
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| 13:42.53 | deitarion | jelly: Thanks. Since I have friends and family members on Ubuntu, I should probably also ask whether there's an equivalent simpler than `apt-get install aptitude`. |
| 13:43.11 | DammitJim | holy cow... and they had a file with common password combinations! |
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| 13:44.57 | jelly | deitarion: I have no idea about Ubuntu specifics, sorry |
| 13:45.24 | deitarion | jelly: For the relevant stuff, it's effectively Debian with aptitude not installed by default. |
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| 13:45.50 | XDD | Hola |
| 13:46.00 | XDD | Hello! |
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| 13:46.11 | jelly | deitarion: I don't feel comfortable offering any advice for it. They do many things in subtly differeny ways. |
| 13:46.25 | XDD | Hello! |
| 13:46.25 | bolt | thought ubuntu had aptitude by default |
| 13:46.28 | bolt | weird people |
| 13:46.34 | tdrusk | I am trying to resize my windows with wmctrl in xfce. I have this command http://paste.debian.net/165789/, which when ran in the terminal does what I want. However, when I assign it to a keyboard shortcut it does nothing. How can I make this use the active window and do a window resize? |
| 13:46.37 | bolt | !greet XDD |
| 13:46.37 | dpkg | Welcome, XDD |
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| 13:48.12 | deitarion | bolt: *nod* I always put aptitude on first thing, but I guess they consider apt-get and aptitude as "only if the GUI breaks or people need to copy-and-paste" things, so they install the minimum necessary. |
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| 13:48.32 | ChrisH | tdrusk: without analysing the oneliner, put it into a script and check if it works as script. Step 2 assign a shortcut to the execute the script. With the scipt you can easy verify it its get called |
| 13:48.33 | XDD | Hello! |
| 13:49.02 | XDD | Some one has made a program in VB.NET? |
| 13:49.08 | Audacioustrash | #winsupport |
| 13:49.22 | XDD | Quit |
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| 13:51.25 | bolt | XDD: i think people have made programs in vb.net, yes. that is, however, in no way debian related as far as i know |
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| 13:56.04 | ChrisH | has never touched VB and keeps fingers crossed it will never happen |
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| 13:58.33 | anticom | i can't move my files/folders on my machine using drag-n-drop |
| 13:58.39 | anticom | is there anything i have to enable to do that? |
| 13:58.58 | bolt | anticom: are you dragging and dropping in a console? |
| 13:59.04 | bolt | anticom: otherwise, context would be helpful |
| 13:59.06 | anticom | haha no |
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| 13:59.19 | anticom | i'm using xrdp for a remote desktop bolt |
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| 13:59.31 | bolt | anticom: there are only around a thousand packages that allow you to drag and drop in some way |
| 13:59.42 | anticom | e.g.? |
| 13:59.55 | bolt | all the graphical file managers, for instance? |
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| 14:00.35 | anticom | i'm using nautilus, if that is what you mean |
| 14:00.40 | tdrusk | ChrisH: Okay it runs as a script when I call it from the commandline. However, it does not do anything if I double click on it. |
| 14:00.43 | anticom | sorry, i'm quite newbish, when it comes to linux |
| 14:01.01 | bolt | nautilus, yes. that's what i mean :) |
| 14:01.06 | anticom | good |
| 14:01.25 | bolt | afaik there shouldn't be anything special required to drag and drop in that. it's probably an issue with xrdp? |
| 14:01.28 | bolt | does it work locally? |
| 14:02.00 | bolt | tried using vnc instead? |
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| 14:02.13 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: You have to pass rdesktop an argument to mount the local drive on the remote system. |
| 14:02.26 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: what? |
| 14:02.31 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: You have to pass rdesktop an argument to mount the local drive on the remote system. |
| 14:02.42 | bolt | aaaaaand you're telling me this because? |
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| 14:02.56 | anton01 | is it possible to create a stream in memory to write to with fprintf(file.. that isn't a buffer made with pipe? |
| 14:02.58 | jhutchins_wk | Probably because I meant to tel anticom |
| 14:03.22 | bolt | i didn't get the idea he was dragging and dropping between the local machine and the remote one |
| 14:03.38 | bolt | he just said "on my machine" |
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| 14:04.15 | bolt | so i assumed the remote machine got "click" instead of "click and hold" when he held down the button, or similar |
| 14:04.25 | anticom | jhutchins i absolutley don't get it :/ |
| 14:04.27 | bolt | which would likely be an xrdp issue |
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| 14:04.57 | bolt | anticom: does it work locally? tried using vnc instead? are you trying to drag and drop files between your local machine and the remote one? |
| 14:05.16 | anticom | i will try it on monday directly at the server |
| 14:05.32 | anticom | i just thought there might be a common option most of you may know :D |
| 14:05.40 | ChrisH | tdrusk: give it a try the following way: at now <RETURN> /PATH/to/Script <RETURN> CTRL-D |
| 14:05.49 | bolt | anticom: just try vnc instead. it's a lot older and has less bugs than xrdp imo |
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| 14:06.14 | SomeoneWeird | is there an alternative to screen? |
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| 14:06.33 | ChrisH | tdrusk: does that work? If not, its a problem of environemt. put a set > /tmp/env.$$ into your script and compare the output from both executions. |
| 14:06.43 | ChrisH | SomeoneWeird: What is missing in screen? |
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| 14:08.02 | jerem` | please, I can't log in with su because I added a bad entry in my common-session. I need to resolve it without rebooting |
| 14:08.04 | SomeoneWeird | ChrisH, well apparently i have a session name xxxx.one, it tells me that, says im detached but cant reattach |
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| 14:08.07 | SomeoneWeird | named* |
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| 14:08.49 | ChrisH | screen -ls ; screen -x or screen -x SESSIONNAME |
| 14:08.55 | anticom | thank's anyway for your help |
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| 14:09.05 | anticom | i've googled it and found, that it is a common bug (even under vnc) |
| 14:09.08 | anticom | bye all! (: |
| 14:09.11 | jelly | SomeoneWeird: how does reattaching fail? Do you see a SCREEN process in your user's process list (ps -fu $USER)? |
| 14:09.13 | tdrusk | ChrisH: I think the problem lies in the fact that I am running it as a command rather than a window manager command. |
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| 14:09.44 | everythingWorks | How can i make the 3 window buttons "minimize" "maximize" and "close" to the left side instead of the right side of the window as its now? |
| 14:09.45 | everythingWorks | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6559846/www3.PNG |
| 14:09.50 | SomeoneWeird | yep still doesnt work ChrisH, and yes jelly |
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| 14:10.21 | jelly | SomeoneWeird: "yes" is not really an appropriate answer for a "how" question |
| 14:10.40 | SomeoneWeird | yeah getting to that :P |
| 14:10.52 | SomeoneWeird | if it happens again i'll screenshot it |
| 14:11.30 | jerem` | I can't log in a session because I added a bad entry in common-session pam file, I always have a standard user session to modify. |
| 14:11.37 | jerem` | I can't su |
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| 14:12.34 | jelly | jerem`: boot from a livecd/liveusb, mount your system someplace and revert the changes |
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| 14:12.58 | ChrisH | tdrusk: thats what I refered as environment issue |
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| 14:16.11 | jerem` | jelly: i don't have physical access :(- |
| 14:17.08 | jelly | eh. gain it |
| 14:17.24 | Woet | jerem`: remote hands, KVM over IP, etc. |
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| 14:21.51 | tdrusk | When I use icewm(as window manager) with xfce it replaces all of my window borders. Any way around this? |
| 14:22.05 | __zero | im trying to create a port forward to another location using nc -lp 8000 | nc <DEST> 80, but it's not working... does anyone have any idea on why? |
| 14:23.37 | fasta | Every time I open a QT file widget, it first tries to mount all devices, which I don't want. How do I configure that? |
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| 14:26.47 | bolt | __zero: how is it not working? |
| 14:26.48 | jelly | __zero: a pipe moves data one-way only |
| 14:27.07 | __zero | jelly: ohh then that's it |
| 14:27.14 | bolt | __zero: thing is it's likely working but not doing what you want. the webserver on port 80 will have no way of responding to you |
| 14:27.15 | __zero | jelly: thanks |
| 14:27.34 | jelly | __zero: read about nc -e, or use redir, or use iptables NAT/REDIRECT if applicable |
| 14:28.27 | jelly | (or socat or there's probably a dozen more tools to do simple TCP proxying) |
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| 14:29.01 | Fah | ssh tunnels work reasonably well and are easy to set up if its a throw away kind of thing |
| 14:29.06 | bolt | also depending on the use, consider reading about apache's reverse proxies |
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| 14:30.32 | lucas2 | Hello there! I have a question regarding the use of nc (netcat). |
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| 14:30.45 | lucas2 | I use it to connect to SMTP servers on the internet |
| 14:31.14 | lucas2 | On some of them I can manually do the entire SMTP interaction |
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| 14:31.32 | abrotman | this sounds suspicious |
| 14:31.36 | lucas2 | However, I already encountered two servers on which I can not enter any commands |
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| 14:32.27 | lucas2 | I get a connection but then it will not accept any commands, I just get no response at all and eventually the connection times out |
| 14:32.48 | lucas2 | When I use telnet I have no problem... |
| 14:32.56 | lucas2 | ...Suspicious? |
| 14:33.16 | samek | hello |
| 14:33.49 | abrotman | lucas2: check the server logs |
| 14:34.04 | samek | is it possible to disable automatic startup for new packages, like openssh-server, on install? |
| 14:34.15 | lucas2 | abrotman: ah, unfortunately I have no access to these servers |
| 14:34.26 | lucas2 | other than via SMTP :) |
| 14:34.34 | abrotman | right .. so now you know why it's suspcious |
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| 14:35.26 | ansgar | samek: If you play a bit with invoke-rc.d / policy-rc.d(?). |
| 14:35.29 | lucas2 | Well... not sure... I am writing a script (using expect) to check mail addresses |
| 14:35.38 | lucas2 | is that suspicious? |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | lucas2: that's how you get banned from the internet |
| 14:36.00 | abrotman | lucas2: go learn how to spam elsewhere |
| 14:36.10 | lucas2 | abrotman :) |
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| 14:36.43 | lucas2 | I send a 'quit' before any 'DATA' |
| 14:37.08 | lucas2 | so... noone gets spammed right? |
| 14:37.13 | bolt | lucas2: swaks |
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| 14:37.33 | abrotman | lucas2: this channel is not going to help you spam people, have a nice day |
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| 14:39.04 | spiritello64 | ciao |
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| 14:39.51 | zell | as long as there is no channel for restructured text, would it be appropriate to ask here about it ? |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | zell: uh what? |
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| 14:41.23 | zell | my question is: why when I intend to generate http://rst2pdf.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/rst2pdf.txt i don't obtain this expected pdf: http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/static/manual.pdf |
| 14:41.39 | abrotman | so shouldn't you file a bug with them? |
| 14:41.52 | zell | it's maybe not a bug |
| 14:42.03 | zell | I check documentation but i'm not sure about the issue |
| 14:42.14 | zell | it's maybe because they use a stylesheet |
| 14:42.48 | zell | i'm looking into the rst2pdf engine repository to verify if they provide one |
| 14:42.55 | abrotman | how is this related to Debian ? |
| 14:44.03 | zell | abrotman: like i said earlier, there is no channel about rst and RST creator signed as: Chris Lamb <chris@chris-lamb.co.uk> for the Debian project |
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| 14:44.30 | zell | abrotman: will you forgive my impertinence ? |
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| 14:46.32 | samek | ansgar: thanks, i'll look into that |
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| 14:46.58 | zell | abrotman: yay they provide stylesheet, solved |
| 14:47.27 | everythingWorks | how can i get this "close" and "minimize" buttons on the top of each window to the left side? |
| 14:47.34 | everythingWorks | currently its on the right side... (like on windows) |
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| 14:48.18 | abrotman | zell: okay then! |
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| 14:48.28 | abrotman | everythingWorks: which WM/DE ? |
| 14:48.35 | everythingWorks | gnome |
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| 14:49.09 | everythingWorks | . the one which is initially there :D |
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| 14:50.54 | abrotman | change your theme |
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| 14:52.17 | everythingWorks | ki |
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| 14:58.37 | dokma | apt-get source apache2 gives: E: Ignore unavailable version '2.2.16-6+squeeze7' of package 'apache2' |
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| 14:58.43 | dokma | anyone else gets this? |
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| 14:59.47 | ansgar | dokma: Random guess: missing or wrong deb-src entry in your sources.list. |
| 15:00.00 | Mmike | dokma! |
| 15:00.17 | Mmike | dokma, do apt-get update, and then try installind apache2 |
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| 15:00.42 | dokma | ansgar: this is the entry I believe deb-src http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 15:00.54 | dokma | Mmike: apache2 is installed |
| 15:00.58 | dokma | I'm trying to source it |
| 15:01.09 | ansgar | dokma: And for the security archive? |
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| 15:01.41 | dokma | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 15:02.10 | ansgar | dokma: And no deb-src? |
| 15:02.41 | dokma | ansgar: not for security |
| 15:02.56 | ansgar | dokma: Try adding one (don't forget apt-get update). |
| 15:03.01 | dokma | ok |
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| 15:04.59 | dokma | ansgar: works now |
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| 15:05.13 | dokma | does that mean that apache2 was issued as a security patch? |
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| 15:07.49 | ansgar | dokma: There were security updates for apache2, yes. |
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| 15:08.09 | dokma | thanks a bunch |
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| 15:08.44 | BG | hello |
| 15:08.48 | BG | !list. |
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| 15:11.14 | mykhal | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 15:12.15 | Manuel___ | Hi. After booting, I see the session log in windows has usual. But just after validation of user and password, the session stops, and return to the session log in windows. It's the same with Gome 3 and gome classic. The log in is normal with xfce. How to get back a gome desktop useable? I use Debian wheezy. |
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| 15:13.50 | jhutchins_wk | Manuel___: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors (after the gnome session fails to start). |
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| 15:17.02 | mgodzilla | !list |
| 15:17.02 | dpkg | mgodzilla: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 15:17.15 | robkinyon | I'm looking to build a .deb to use for deploying software we write. |
| 15:17.22 | Manuel___ | jhutchins_wk: There is nothing special in this file. xfce use also X, isn't it? And the session on xfce is normal. |
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| 15:17.39 | robkinyon | what i'm not sure how to do is to have per-environment configuration managed by the .deb |
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| 15:17.51 | robkinyon | what do other people do? |
| 15:19.05 | robkinyon | do you do things keyed on hostname / subnet / some other characteristic? |
| 15:19.17 | robkinyon | or is there a way to make a decision based on the repository you pulled it from? |
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| 15:19.36 | robkinyon | (my idea is to have 3 repositories - one for the internal-testing environment, one for integration-testing, and one for production) |
| 15:20.14 | robkinyon | and promoting from internal-testing to customer-integration would be as simple as upgrading the integration-testing repository and having puppet kick off an apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:21.22 | robkinyon | oh. hmm. would it make sense to have my app.deb depend on an app_config.deb that is specific to each environment's repository |
| 15:21.35 | robkinyon | that way, when i upgrade from internal-testing, it pulls the internal-testing's app_config.deb |
| 15:21.38 | ansgar | robkinyon: Or just manage the configuration via puppet. |
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| 15:22.06 | robkinyon | you still have the "what environment am I?" problem if you're managing via puppet |
| 15:22.19 | robkinyon | but, i already know what environment i am by what repository i'm pulling from |
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| 15:22.39 | robkinyon | and, also, this way i can push configuration changes by the same apt-get mechanism |
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| 15:23.20 | ansgar | robkinyon: Well, if you use puppet to manage hosts, it might already know which environment it is in. |
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| 15:23.39 | robkinyon | hmm … point |
| 15:23.51 | robkinyon | so that it knows which repository to pull from |
| 15:24.20 | robkinyon | i think i still like the idea of keeping configuration in the deb because i have a record of configuration changes and what releases depended on what configuration |
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| 15:26.43 | karlpinc | robkinyon: You could always have separate deb files for different configs. But that really does seem like what puppet is good for. Apt already knows not to break config files so puppet can do the config work. |
| 15:27.25 | karlpinc | robkinyon: (You also have the option to use puppet to pin particular packages to particlular internal repos, need be.) |
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| 15:27.42 | karlpinc | robkinyon: (By having puppet mess with apt's configs.) |
| 15:28.17 | karlpinc | robkinyon: I think the advantage of puppet is in the change tracking. (But am ignorant, could be wrong.) |
| 15:28.43 | robkinyon | hmmm |
| 15:28.53 | mykhal | user authenticated with plone.app.ldap is using mutable_properties even when it's empty, does not jump to next ldap-plugin (and reversing the order of plugins ignores user modified properties), i wonder if it can be fine-tuned in ZMI, or i have to touch the code.. |
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| 15:29.06 | robkinyon | karlpinc: part of the issue is that i'm new to both puppet and debian systems administration |
| 15:29.18 | robkinyon | so, i'm not sure where the line should be drawn between each one |
| 15:29.23 | karlpinc | robkinyon: Ever use a source code control system? |
| 15:29.29 | robkinyon | nods |
| 15:29.51 | corretico | hello |
| 15:29.52 | robkinyon | how does that tie into this? |
| 15:29.53 | kleanchap | In my gnome, I accidentally deleted the trash can. How do I get it back? |
| 15:29.57 | corretico | I need assistance... |
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| 15:30.04 | karlpinc | robkinyon: I think you can think of puppet as a source code control system-like thing, that will push. |
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| 15:30.15 | corretico | I get this error when try to use my computer |
| 15:30.17 | corretico | Loading Linux 3.1.0-1 error: Couldn't read file |
| 15:30.25 | mykhal | is in the different channel than expected |
| 15:30.34 | karlpinc | corretico: Are you using ubuntu? |
| 15:30.39 | corretico | no |
| 15:30.41 | corretico | debian |
| 15:30.43 | corretico | wheezy |
| 15:31.06 | karlpinc | corretico: Ah, that accounts for the version number. |
| 15:31.07 | robkinyon | karlpinc: hrmmm. maybe i need to spend more time in puppet than i thought. |
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| 15:31.25 | robkinyon | is the plan of bundling code with .debs and using 3 repositories, one for each environment, sane otherwise? |
| 15:32.04 | karlpinc | robkinyon: That sounds like exactly the right way to do it. (This is only based on a long irc session months ago with some experts who were discussing this. But it makes total sense.) |
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| 15:32.40 | karlpinc | robkinyon: You have the regular debian repos, and also yours. See also: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware , since you're new. |
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| 15:33.03 | robkinyon | i'm not new to debian/ubuntu, just new to administration. :) |
| 15:33.25 | karlpinc | robkinyon: There's some admin tips there, especially in the footnotes. |
| 15:33.30 | robkinyon | ah, thank you |
| 15:33.40 | robkinyon | are there any good books you could recommend? |
| 15:33.47 | robkinyon | learns better from books than blogposts |
| 15:34.00 | karlpinc | corretico: What that means is grub can't find the kernel. |
| 15:34.22 | karlpinc | corretico: Have you done anything recently that would affect this? |
| 15:34.56 | corretico | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.00 | corretico | last night |
| 15:35.23 | karlpinc | robkinyon: There are 2. The classic is the linux (was unix) bible. Good since the 70's. Let me look for the debian one. |
| 15:35.30 | karlpinc | corretico: Did you apt-get update first? |
| 15:35.42 | corretico | yes |
| 15:35.52 | corretico | yesterday |
| 15:36.08 | karlpinc | corretico: You might ask for support in #debian-next on irc.debian.org, that's for testing. |
| 15:36.13 | karlpinc | corretico: Did it upgrade the kernel? |
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| 15:36.39 | corretico | <karlpinc>thanks |
| 15:36.54 | corretico | mmm I use apt-get uprade and dist-upgrade |
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| 15:37.47 | robkinyon | karlpinc: thanks for checking for me |
| 15:38.25 | karlpinc | robkinyon: This http://debiansystem.info/ has been recommended. I think there may be an on-line version, or maybe 2 publishers?? See also: http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 15:39.16 | karlpinc | corretico: Maybe it upgraded the kernel and not the grub config, so now grub can't find your kernel. Dunno. Do you have much linux experience? |
| 15:39.30 | robkinyon | karlpinc: excellent. that's exactly what i was looking for. thanks! |
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| 15:41.14 | karlpinc | corretico: You pretty much always want to "apt-get update" before every sort of upgrade, especially with testing. |
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| 15:55.42 | intgr | Hi, I have a disk image of an old Linux install. How do I figure out which packages were explicitly installed (i.e. not installed due to dependencies)? I guess it's in /var/lib/dpkg somewhere, any ideas? |
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| 16:03.23 | kleanchap | Freeging gmail....how do you move a mail from the trash back to the Inbox? |
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| 16:05.09 | cien | Hi, I have a VPS with 512MB of RAM, what would be a good amount of swap space? Is swap space useful as a substitute for RAM in a lot of cases? my desktop distros rarely seem to use their swap |
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| 16:06.52 | Fah | intgr: apt-mark showmanual |
| 16:07.13 | fravdr | sara |
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| 16:09.39 | cedr | cien: What type of virtualization? KVM? |
| 16:10.00 | cedr | cien: it's advised not to use swap too heavily on the VPS as that can eat at the shared disk |
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| 16:10.07 | ^rooker | Hi! I'm running Squeeze on Laptop as server. Whenever I close my laptop's lid and reopen it, the screen stays black. No standby involved, and no X (only commandline). How can I change that? |
| 16:11.02 | samek | hm what does it mean state deinstall in dpkg --get-selections? |
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| 16:11.24 | DammitJim | is there a troubleshooting procedure to figure out why sound is not working on a Debian wheezy install? |
| 16:11.28 | DammitJim | it works sporadically |
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| 16:11.53 | samek | are those packages supposed to be removed? |
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| 16:12.24 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: I've had a similar sound problem. Could you describe "sporadically" more detailed? |
| 16:12.28 | trysten | heyo #debian! |
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| 16:12.37 | cedr | 'lo trysten! |
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| 16:13.02 | trysten | what mechanism is there to take action upon a user navigating into a certain directory |
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| 16:13.06 | trysten | or is such a thing even possible? |
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| 16:13.34 | cedr | Hm, what type of action? |
| 16:13.40 | trysten | (i'm imagining a sort of on-demand mounting of a ftpfs) |
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| 16:14.07 | cedr | hm |
| 16:14.10 | cedr | not that i know of |
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| 16:14.28 | kleanchap | I have several windows directories with whitespace in the file path. There are some directories I want to "cd" to but cannot. I even tried cd "full path" with the quotes and it is not helping. The sample directory name is ---- /backup/home/AppData/Local/Symantec/Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition/7.5/Logs |
| 16:14.57 | kleanchap | I have added "\ " for the whitespace and that did not help either. |
| 16:15.26 | trysten | kleanchap: my cheap way around that is just over-using bash's auto-completion feature |
| 16:15.42 | genjix | is there a channel for people who create deb packages? |
| 16:15.50 | genjix | i have created a simple .deb pkg |
| 16:16.21 | kleanchap | trysten, I will try that. |
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| 16:16.59 | cedr | using quotes would work |
| 16:17.06 | cedr | cd "/backup/home/AppData/Local/Symantec/Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition/7.5/Logs" |
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| 16:18.15 | prefixed | Ok. so my remote servew went down, and I only have console access now. what should I dio? |
| 16:19.11 | kleanchap | cedr, I have several directories like that where want to go in and see how many files exist. when I do cd "full pathname"....it still is trying AntiVirus and Corporate and Edition as seperate directories. |
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| 16:19.39 | trysten | prefixed: details! |
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| 16:20.03 | prefixed | well |
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| 16:20.13 | prefixed | ssh hasn't started and I can't ping the server |
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| 16:21.54 | trysten | prefixed: so you don't have console access.. to the server |
| 16:22.14 | trysten | do you have any more information than that? |
| 16:22.26 | DammitJim | ^rooker, well... sometimes I go to youtube with chrome and it'll play the video with sound |
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| 16:22.34 | prefixed | trysten I do have consol acess |
| 16:22.41 | DammitJim | and sometimes it won't |
| 16:22.51 | DammitJim | like the next time I open up chrome and go to youtube |
| 16:23.00 | jackbrownhf | hey guy Does this kind of website https://www.virustotal.com are reliable as the original AV ? |
| 16:23.08 | DammitJim | or, I was watching stuff on vlc, paused the movie and restarted it, but the sound wouldn't play after that |
| 16:23.11 | DammitJim | I'm on wheezy |
| 16:23.15 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: While not working with youtube, do other applications play sound? Did you try "speaker-test -c 2" while youtube is mute? |
| 16:23.22 | DammitJim | oh, and xbmc detects no sound card? |
| 16:23.31 | DammitJim | no, I have not... I need to do that |
| 16:23.39 | DammitJim | let me see if it isn't working now... then I can run the test |
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| 16:24.08 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: You can also try running "alsamixer" while youtube is mute, to see the volume settings of your soundcard. |
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| 16:24.27 | me-1 | hi...when does support ends for Debian Squeeze..? |
| 16:24.31 | DammitJim | but xbmc stopped working after an apt-get upgrade God knows what got updated |
| 16:24.35 | DammitJim | I know, I should know that... |
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| 16:25.02 | ^rooker | Are you using an onboard-soundcard? if so, which mainboard? |
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| 16:25.42 | DammitJim | this is a dell precision M2400 laptop |
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| 16:26.03 | ^rooker | I've recently had the problem that my audio worked sporadically, but I found out that the problem was that the front-audio was turned on in the BIOS. That confused the intel driver. |
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| 16:26.28 | DammitJim | the front audio? what does that mean? |
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| 16:26.41 | DammitJim | it's working on hulu right now |
| 16:26.47 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: I think it'd be necessary to first find out if alsa is failing or just youtube (=flash plugin) |
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| 16:27.05 | DammitJim | no, it's not the flash plugin since sound is failing on vlc |
| 16:27.12 | gnarface | some of the hda_intel cards have front audio connectors and rear audio connectors, but some of them just have 6 or 7-channel rear connections and the driver can't seem to always tell the difference on its own |
| 16:27.31 | ^rooker | Ok. Then it'd be good to know if "speaker-test -c 2" works, and what alsamixer says... |
| 16:27.35 | gnarface | best way to address it is to pass the correct model= parameter to snd-hda-intel |
| 16:28.10 | ^rooker | @gnarface: I've searched for parameter specs for snd-hda-intel, but couldn't find any... Got a link? |
| 16:28.34 | gnarface | ^rooker: the only useful reference for the valid values is in the top of the kernel source for the driver |
| 16:28.39 | gnarface | ^rooker: in the comments |
| 16:28.41 | barxool | does anyone know how to use logical addresses in gdb (for example, how to read memory at %gs:0x14 ?). I'm on x86 |
| 16:28.43 | gnarface | ^rooker: sorry :( |
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| 16:28.58 | ^rooker | np. Reading kernel source should be doable ;) |
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| 16:29.18 | DammitJim | what are you guys suggesting? |
| 16:29.29 | me-1 | when does support end for Debian Squeeze..? |
| 16:29.48 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: When sound is failing, open a console and check alsamixer and speaker-test |
| 16:30.00 | ^rooker | If that also won't work, then it's getting tricky... |
| 16:30.06 | gnarface | DammitJim: i'm just suggesting that the reason your card is behaving bizarrely is because snd-hda-intel failed auto detection. this is an onboard hda-intel card right? |
| 16:30.48 | DammitJim | gnarface, ya know what? In Mixer (the module in e17), sometimes shows different output options |
| 16:30.59 | DammitJim | like right now, it says: Beep, Front, Headphone, Master, PCM |
| 16:31.09 | DammitJim | I've noticed a different name when the sound doesn't work |
| 16:31.31 | gnarface | DammitJim: as ^rooker mentioned eariler, bios settings may cause the card to look like a different model too. |
| 16:31.32 | DammitJim | but yeah, HDA intel |
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| 16:31.53 | gnarface | DammitJim: you don't have multiple soundcards in there do you? |
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| 16:32.00 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: Check if you have an option for "front audio" or something like that in your BIOS |
| 16:32.05 | DammitJim | ok |
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| 16:32.28 | gnarface | yea i had to turn front audio off to make all 7.1 channels appear |
| 16:32.41 | ^rooker | @gnarface: You might be right! DammitJim: Got a USB-headset attached? |
| 16:32.43 | gnarface | in addition to setting model to 6stack-dig or something like that |
| 16:32.59 | DammitJim | no, just 3.5 mm |
| 16:33.05 | prefixed | uh oh. what does this mean? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588036/ |
| 16:33.44 | ^rooker | @prefixed: It means that fsck found something it didn't want to fix unattended. |
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| 16:34.06 | prefixed | ^rooker I am scared. what do I do? |
| 16:34.11 | gnarface | prefixed: jesus christ it means your filesystem should have been updated to a modern one more than 10 years ago. |
| 16:34.23 | ^rooker | @prefixed: Happens rarely, but I've so far never had something fsck wasn't able to fix anyway. |
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| 16:34.36 | gnarface | prefixed: just run fsck manually like it says |
| 16:34.53 | prefixed | ok |
| 16:34.54 | gnarface | prefixed: there's like a "no really, fix it" flag that's never on by default |
| 16:35.22 | gnarface | prefixed: but uh... what is that ext2? ext3 on an ancient kernel? |
| 16:35.36 | gnarface | prefixed: you could do better with a more modern filesystem |
| 16:35.47 | prefixed | ok |
| 16:35.52 | prefixed | care to walk me through this? |
| 16:35.59 | prefixed | (I'm scared!) |
| 16:36.03 | ^rooker | ...don't be... |
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| 16:36.20 | prefixed | this server hosts a production website! |
| 16:36.20 | gnarface | prefixed: i think its just: fsck /run/rootdev |
| 16:36.42 | gnarface | prefixed: oh. btw you can't fsck a mounted filesystem, so if that's a partition your server needs, you need to tell your clients there will be downtime |
| 16:36.57 | prefixed | yeah, it's down right now |
| 16:37.07 | prefixed | how can I tell what is/isn't mounted? |
| 16:37.14 | cedr | using `mount` |
| 16:37.16 | ^rooker | ...and I think he'd have to use the dev-path, not the mountpoint. Like this: "fsck /dev/sda1" |
| 16:37.17 | cedr | (iirc) |
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| 16:37.25 | Ryccardo|XFCE | prefixed: or "df" |
| 16:37.25 | gnarface | prefixed: just type "mount" |
| 16:37.47 | Ryccardo|XFCE | and you can fsck a mounted FS, but in read-only mode |
| 16:38.22 | prefixed | I disabled root pasword logins on this account |
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| 16:38.31 | prefixed | on this server |
| 16:38.48 | sakal | hi, how can I install passenger for nginx from deb? I install ruby-passenger, in /usr/share/doc/ruby-passenger/README I read next: ./bin/passenger-install-nginx-module But where this binary? In deb I did not found it |
| 16:38.53 | gnarface | Ryccardo|XFCE: yea but that won't help him because the error already says he needs to write to the partition to fix it |
| 16:38.59 | prefixed | I use a key to login with different account, and then I sudo up |
| 16:39.06 | gnarface | Ryccardo|XFCE: well, implies, really, but you get my drift |
| 16:39.15 | PhoenixSTF | hi I have a debian box server, and i want to connect the UPS via usb, any recomendations for managing the ups? |
| 16:39.34 | ^rooker | I thought you didn't have SSH? |
| 16:39.38 | gnarface | prefixed: it won't matter just sudo and run fsck [partition name] and then paste us the output if it bails |
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| 16:40.11 | ChrisH | prefixed: did this happen during boot? Is the system near you? Do you have physical access? |
| 16:40.21 | prefixed | no, it's in a data center |
| 16:40.23 | jordanm | ,versions ruby-passenger |
| 16:40.25 | judd | Package: ruby-passenger on i386 -- sid: 3.0.11debian-1; wheezy: 3.0.11debian-1 |
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| 16:41.14 | jordanm | sakal: that's the upstream README. the module is probably included in a different package or is already includes |
| 16:41.18 | gnarface | prefixed: you should be aware that this is possible evidence of impending harddrive failure. after you get it fscked you should make sure you have current backups |
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| 16:41.43 | cra_ | I`m a debian/linux noob. Just installed debian CD boot with GUI and I`m totally confused how to setup and config my wireless controller on my HP 6735s laptop...any clues please? |
| 16:41.45 | ^rooker | @gnarface: don't scare him in advance ;) |
| 16:42.13 | sakal | jordanm, thanks for you reply. I will google more… |
| 16:42.18 | ChrisH | prefixed: Please read all questions and answer all. did this happen during boot? |
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| 16:42.46 | ^rooker | @cra_: what kind of wireless controller does it have? Which chipset? (and: usually these days most WiFi devices work out-of-the-box) |
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| 16:42.58 | prefixed | gnarface I am going to back it up as soon as I get this up and running |
| 16:43.13 | cra_ | not a clue...it is inbuilt, how do I find out?? |
| 16:43.17 | jordanm | ^rooker: most actually don't and require non-free firmware |
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| 16:44.06 | ^rooker | @jordanm: Then I was lucky with all recent notebooks I've set up. No non-free firmware needed :) |
| 16:44.31 | DammitJim | ^rooker, is yours a laptop? |
| 16:44.34 | ^rooker | @cra_: try "lspci" and search for the line containing your wireless card. |
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| 16:44.47 | cra_ | ok, one second |
| 16:44.48 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: Nope. regular workstation with onboard audio and front-panel connectors. |
| 16:45.01 | DammitJim | do you ever put it on standby or hibernation? |
| 16:45.12 | DammitJim | I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it |
| 16:45.20 | cra_ | just to clarify, I can`t even find where on the screen/software to actually see if it is working!!! It isn`t just that I can`t get it working |
| 16:45.29 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: All the time! :) After disabling my front-audio in the BIOS the problem never reoccurred. |
| 16:45.42 | Ryccardo|XFCE | Could you recommend me an IMAP mail program? |
| 16:46.15 | ^rooker | @cra_: Which window manager are you using? (gnome, kde, xfce, ...)? |
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| 16:47.36 | cra_ | :-S ooops...which ever came with the Debian with GUI iso I downloaded....sorry, I know I sound a clown!!! |
| 16:47.37 | ChrisH | Ryccardo|XFCE: mutt |
| 16:48.41 | ^rooker | @jordanm: I got the impression that after most cards have broadcom chips these days, and that their driver is free (and seems stable now)? |
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| 16:48.51 | gnarface | Ryccardo|XFCE: icedove |
| 16:49.02 | Ryccardo|XFCE | ChrisH: tried it, I'm having trouble connecting -- I was typing "c" and 'imaps://"rboninsegna@me.com":{password}@imap.mail.me.com/INBOX' |
| 16:49.06 | ^rooker | @prefixed: Are you logged in locally or remotely? |
| 16:49.19 | prefixed | ^remotely over KVM |
| 16:49.52 | antgel | hi all, distcc question, if i'm on an amd64 machine and i want to use my i686 laptop on my LAN with distcc, should i expect problems or will the laptop automatically cross-compile through distcc doing the right thing? |
| 16:50.00 | ^rooker | KVM means that your keyboard/mouse/video is routed to that machine. I'd say that's local :) |
| 16:50.22 | ^rooker | @cra_: don't worry, you don't. |
| 16:50.40 | DammitJim | everything is working just fine |
| 16:50.43 | DammitJim | I can't make it fail |
| 16:51.03 | prefixed | ^rooker learn something new everyday |
| 16:51.05 | ChrisH | Ryccardo|XFCE: see http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttGuide/UseIMAP and create a .muttrc |
| 16:51.06 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: Yeah, those are the worst problems, which you can't even reproduce. hmpf. |
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| 16:51.26 | ^rooker | :) |
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| 16:53.16 | prefixed | lol |
| 16:53.23 | prefixed | I can't use the shutdown command on this machine |
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| 16:53.39 | Zoup | debian package formats, does 1 always means native? 2 and 3 are non-native? |
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| 16:55.54 | ziarkaen | I want to submit a simple path for a Debian package (first time). Should I open a bug report for that package and attach a path file, or contact package maintainer by email? |
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| 16:56.59 | ^rooker | @prefixed: could you please be more precise. What do you mean with "can't use" |
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| 16:57.36 | ^rooker | @ziarkaen: you mean "patch" file, not path file, right? |
| 16:57.37 | daemonkeeper | ziarkaen: File a bug. |
| 16:57.59 | prefixed | ^rooker sorry, I'm extremely flustered right now. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588043/ |
| 16:58.03 | daemonkeeper | ziarkaen: Or reply to a bug if you are fixing an existing issue. |
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| 16:58.58 | ^rooker | @prefixed: I assume that since it wasn't able to mount an important drive, these warnings are somewhat normal? |
| 16:59.38 | prefixed | ^rooker oh, ok. I remounted the drive as read only before issuing that command |
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| 17:00.12 | ^rooker | @prefixed: Oh, I just saw that it couldn't access a file in /dev. I presume you're still in the fsck maintenance shell? |
| 17:00.20 | ^rooker | (After pressing Ctrl+D) |
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| 17:00.32 | prefixed | no, I rebooted and logged in with bash |
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| 17:00.47 | prefixed | ^rooker as defiined herein http://www.md3v.com/linux-give-root-password-for-maintenance-lost-password |
| 17:00.47 | ^rooker | @prefixed: oh. |
| 17:01.10 | ^rooker | @prefixed: and it did boot without problems or fsck warnings? |
| 17:01.20 | prefixed | no, it booted just fine |
| 17:01.26 | ^rooker | hm.... |
| 17:01.42 | prefixed | although when I mounted the partition, the system gave me an error indicating that there were errors on it |
| 17:01.49 | DammitJim | nope, I don't have that BIOS option |
| 17:01.51 | a-l-e | hi i'm trying to create a usb install disk and i'm stuck at the steop of copying the .iso to the image... |
| 17:02.13 | ^rooker | @prefixed: did you try running fsck on the partition before mounting it? |
| 17:02.20 | prefixed | no |
| 17:02.23 | prefixed | I'm going to do that now |
| 17:02.28 | ^rooker | good. |
| 17:02.39 | a-l-e | "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdf" seems to correctly create the image... |
| 17:02.42 | prefixed | fsck -n right? |
| 17:03.17 | ^rooker | no. |
| 17:03.29 | a-l-e | but, then, when i mount the usb key i get a "No space left on device" error... |
| 17:03.33 | a-l-e | ... any idea? |
| 17:03.46 | ^rooker | not "-n" that'd just report issues, but not try to repair them |
| 17:04.29 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: hmpf. |
| 17:04.55 | prefixed | ^rooker yeah, I want to see what I'm getting into first. Also, how can I see what is mounted, and what isn't mounted? |
| 17:05.02 | Ryccardo|XFCE | ChrisH: I've set up the preferences file -- it gets stuck at "Authenticating (PLAIN)...", you can't even ctrl+c out of it |
| 17:05.42 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: I think you have to wait until it appears again and then check speaker-test / alsamixer. If that works, it could be pulseaudio... |
| 17:07.52 | DammitJim | ^rooker, I don't know if this is related but XBMC says: failed to initialize audio device |
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| 17:08.00 | DammitJim | so, there is obviously something wrong |
| 17:08.03 | trysten | omg help! |
| 17:08.09 | trysten | my home folder has been black-magicked |
| 17:08.28 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: Does alsamixer find your card? |
| 17:08.37 | trysten | i'm not familiar with hard links, but it seems like one was created in my home dir, it links to /media |
| 17:09.30 | trysten | i don't see anything in mount and running stat on the dir didn't reveal anything |
| 17:11.08 | a-l-e | is there a correct and short howto on preparing a usb key for installing debian testing? |
| 17:11.09 | DammitJim | alsamixer? |
| 17:11.11 | ^rooker | @trysten: you could try creating a new folder and then move everything over to that new folder. This should also decouple the hardlink |
| 17:11.13 | DammitJim | amixer? |
| 17:11.26 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: alsamixer. It's a commandline audio mixer application. |
| 17:12.05 | trysten | is there any other way to decouple it ^rooker? |
| 17:12.15 | DammitJim | alsamixer says: Card: PulseAudio |
| 17:12.32 | ^rooker | not that I know of. What've you got against the mkdir/move approach? |
| 17:13.02 | trysten | nothing. |
| 17:13.04 | trysten | doing now. |
| 17:13.17 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: Hm. That's weird. Alsamixer always shows me the physical devices... |
| 17:13.34 | DammitJim | If I tab, it shows me HDA Intel |
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| 17:13.50 | abrotman | hrm |
| 17:14.02 | trysten | ^rooker: i'm running cp /home/user/* -R /home/temp/ |
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| 17:14.08 | Ryccardo|XFCE | try pressing S in alsamixer |
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| 17:14.24 | DammitJim | S says: - (default) |
| 17:14.27 | DammitJim | 0 HDA Intel |
| 17:14.30 | DammitJim | enter device name... |
| 17:14.45 | gnarface | DammitJim: ah... pulseaudio != alsa, it often screws with it |
| 17:14.49 | ^rooker | Where does the pulseaudio come from? |
| 17:14.58 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.01 | ^rooker | pulseaudio should be "above" alsa (if I'm not mistaken) |
| 17:15.15 | gnarface | DammitJim: unless you're using pulseaudio i'd just recommend uninstalling it |
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| 17:15.25 | trysten | ^rooker: it did not work! |
| 17:15.29 | DammitJim | gnarface, how do I find out who is using it? |
| 17:15.51 | abrotman | rather likes pulse |
| 17:15.52 | gnarface | DammitJim: sorry i don't really know |
| 17:15.58 | prefixed | how can I see what drives are and are not mounted? |
| 17:16.01 | ^rooker | @trysten: did not work, how? Got the files of /home/user/* in /home/temp now? |
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| 17:16.23 | ^rooker | @prefixed: just use "mount" |
| 17:16.32 | abrotman | that won't work |
| 17:17.08 | trysten | ^rooker: yep! and /home/temp/media is still 'linked' to /media |
| 17:17.20 | ^rooker | hm... |
| 17:17.25 | trysten | if i change something in /home/temp/media, it changes in /media |
| 17:17.34 | abrotman | grrr |
| 17:17.50 | ^rooker | @trysten: Oh, I thought you meant "/home/user" is hardlinked to "/media" |
| 17:18.04 | ^rooker | is it: "/home/user/media" is hardlinked to "/media"? |
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| 17:18.15 | trysten | ^rooker: i don't know much about linking ^.^ |
| 17:18.42 | ^rooker | @trysten: I mean: Which folders (absolute names) behave mirrored? |
| 17:19.08 | Ryccardo|XFCE | do a `ls -l` on the suspect folder and check out "that weird number between the permissions and the owner" |
| 17:19.25 | trysten | ok |
| 17:19.27 | Ryccardo|XFCE | which is the number of hard links |
| 17:19.30 | trysten | \/media is mirrored to /home/user/media |
| 17:19.39 | trysten | \ is not the escape char >.< |
| 17:20.03 | ^rooker | @trysten: huh? what's the backslash for, then? |
| 17:20.26 | DammitJim | how do I re-configure my sound card? |
| 17:20.29 | trysten | i was trying to escape the / at the beginning, my irc client thought it was command |
| 17:20.40 | ^rooker | @trysten: a i see. |
| 17:20.41 | trysten | so /media is linked to /home/user/media |
| 17:20.46 | ^rooker | got it. |
| 17:21.11 | ^rooker | @trysten: then you mistook my mkdir/copy advice. |
| 17:21.11 | ^rooker | @trysten: it should then have been: |
| 17:21.21 | trysten | Ryccardo|XFCE: it's 4 |
| 17:21.25 | Ryccardo|XFCE | trysten: tip -- use // to escape / at the start of an IRC command :) |
| 17:21.43 | trysten | //proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 17:22.00 | trysten | thank you |
| 17:22.16 | Dulak | use /say /command to get a single / at the start of a line |
| 17:22.20 | Dulak | /quit |
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| 17:22.38 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 17:22.42 | ^rooker | mkdir /home/temp/media && cp /home/user/media/* /home/temp/media/ |
| 17:22.56 | DelphiWorld | please if someone can help me downgrade myself from unstable to squeeze that would be awesome |
| 17:23.02 | DelphiWorld | i'm stuck on unstable by fault |
| 17:23.09 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: Depends on what exactly you want to re-configure... |
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| 17:23.17 | prefixed | ^rooker am I correct in believing that /dev/xvda1 is not unmounting properly? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588051/ |
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| 17:24.07 | DammitJim | I'm thinking reconfigure because of this error: http://pastebin.com/DKTKGwig |
| 17:24.15 | abrotman | prefixed: if you type 'mount' you shold see if it's mounted or not |
| 17:24.16 | ^rooker | @prefixed: if that's the output *after* the mount, then "yes". |
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| 17:24.54 | prefixed | ^rooker those are the lines I typed into the shell |
| 17:25.09 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: how to downgrade wheezy/sid ? any DOC URL |
| 17:25.18 | prefixed | why wouldn't it be remounting the drive as RO? |
| 17:25.29 | ^rooker | @DammitJim: You could try moving /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf to a backup place, reboot and see how it behaves. If sound's broken, move the file back to its original position |
| 17:25.32 | prefixed | DelphiWorld pretty sure you can't |
| 17:25.49 | DelphiWorld | prefixed: do you know apt ? |
| 17:25.55 | prefixed | sorta |
| 17:25.58 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: you shouldn' know .. not supported |
| 17:25.59 | ^rooker | @prefixed: there's no "umount" |
| 17:26.01 | DammitJim | k |
| 17:26.18 | DelphiWorld | prefixed: apt cost a lot. |
| 17:26.19 | ^rooker | @prefixed: you even told mount to remount "/". |
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| 17:26.37 | mirak | hi |
| 17:26.38 | DelphiWorld | prefixed: apt can let you downgrade evean to debian 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 or upgrade to debian 1000000.0 |
| 17:26.39 | fasta | How do I configure an arbitrary binary to be my {x,d,k}dm? |
| 17:26.42 | samek | i have a question.. why does debian takes a 500mb more space on disk after update (lenny -> squeeze) ? |
| 17:26.47 | fasta | This is _not_ a Debian package. |
| 17:26.54 | samek | where is the catch :) |
| 17:27.01 | prefixed | ^rooker true, but I told it to remount as RO, but it remained mounted as RW |
| 17:27.06 | fasta | samek: it had to download it? |
| 17:27.11 | abrotman | samek: larger packages? bigger code bae? .. did you compare package lists? |
| 17:27.24 | mirak | for an volume containing / and just the os, what is it preferable to have a smaller chunk size than 512kB with mdadm ? |
| 17:27.28 | Dulak | samek: because it cached the debs, you can 'apt-get clean' to remove those |
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| 17:27.41 | ^rooker | @prefixed: true. I don't know the remount syntax be heart, so I can't comment on that. |
| 17:28.09 | samek | fasta: no deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:28.27 | fasta | samek: then you would have to ask to someone else. |
| 17:28.30 | ^rooker | @prefixed: hang on a second: Is that the "/" the shell you're running on booted its system from? |
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| 17:28.51 | prefixed | ^rooker possibly |
| 17:28.58 | prefixed | also http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588055/ |
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| 17:29.04 | samek | this is wouldn't be a problem but i have a netbook with only 4 gb disk :) |
| 17:29.12 | krisfremen | w/g 35 |
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| 17:29.17 | ^rooker | @prefixed: Hm... I'm not sure if you remount your own root partition mid-flight. |
| 17:29.30 | prefixed | ^rooker but wouldn't I need to unmount it in order to use fsck? |
| 17:29.38 | prefixed | or at least mount it as RO? |
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| 17:30.40 | ^rooker | Yes, but I guess that's why the root-shell from fsck is not running from the disk, but ram. |
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| 17:31.15 | ^rooker | @prefixed: I currently don't know how you boot the system in such a mode that you can fsck/repair the root drive... |
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| 17:32.11 | prefixed | hm |
| 17:32.17 | prefixed | maybe I'll boot it in single user mode |
| 17:32.53 | zagabar_ | Hey. I am trying to set up debian so that I can toggle my keyboard layout using caps lock. I've achieved this with this command: setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:caps_toggle se,us However the problem is that this makes my alt-gr (the right-alt of swedish keyboards) become a hold-thisbutton-to-change-layout-button and hence I cannot use it for typing. :( Is there a way to disable this behaviour? |
| 17:32.55 | ^rooker | @prefixed, DammitJim: I gotta leave. sorry. hope you figure it out! |
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| 17:33.47 | trysten | thanks for helping |
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| 17:34.09 | DammitJim | ty |
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| 17:36.13 | DelphiWorld | i love you abrotman |
| 17:36.15 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: thank you |
| 17:36.22 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: for letting me flow arround. |
| 17:36.29 | DelphiWorld | i'm traveling back to squeeze right now |
| 17:36.31 | cheako | Hello, does any one here use and love deamon? I've a game-server that accepts commands from the console that I'd like to put a web interface on. Has any one worked on something like this using a fifo as stdin? |
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| 17:38.04 | cheako | hmm. is there a web-frontend to screen? Seams like this is overdeu huh! |
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| 17:39.49 | LRN | Will Debian installer (unstabled) DoTheRightThing when installing on an SSD? |
| 17:39.54 | LRN | (alignment etc) |
| 17:40.01 | LRN | s/unstabled/unstable/ |
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| 17:40.51 | DammitJim | LRN not sure what you mean |
| 17:40.57 | DammitJim | but it installed just fine on mine :D |
| 17:40.58 | DammitJim | and it's lightning fast |
| 17:41.20 | prefixed | wtf does this mean, and why can't I run fsck? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588062/ |
| 17:41.37 | cheako | http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ <--- this is perhaps the coolest thing I've seen in a while. |
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| 17:42.40 | LRN | DammitJim, there's some thing about aligning filesystem block size with SSD sector size, or something like that |
| 17:43.08 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: error: The triggers database contains arch-qualified package names that the old dpkg won't parse. You should get rid of them (or downgrade them to a non Multi-Arch: same version) before proceeding with dpkg's downgrade. List of affected packages: ... |
| 17:43.10 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, DelphiWorld |
| 17:43.18 | DelphiWorld | OHH |
| 17:43.22 | DelphiWorld | sory LOL |
| 17:43.29 | DelphiWorld | the dpkg say: error: The triggers database contains arch-qualified package |
| 17:43.30 | DelphiWorld | names that the old dpkg won't parse. You should get rid of them (or |
| 17:43.30 | DelphiWorld | downgrade them to a non Multi-Arch: same version) before proceeding |
| 17:43.30 | DelphiWorld | with dpkg's downgrade. |
| 17:43.30 | DelphiWorld | List of affected packages: |
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| 17:44.31 | Carlitos__ | hi all, please somebody can help me with a regular problem , I dont have sound |
| 17:44.31 | DelphiWorld | CRAP. |
| 17:44.49 | DelphiWorld | while downgrading DPKG give me http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 17:45.08 | DelphiWorld | oh, dumb |
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| 17:45.37 | prefixed | wtf does this mean, and why can't I run fsck? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588062/ |
| 17:45.54 | DelphiWorld | pastebinit is not submiting... |
| 17:46.10 | sweb | http://paste.ubuntu.com/950116/ i have an error in my package manegment |
| 17:46.39 | jhutchins | prefixed: How could it possibly be more clear? |
| 17:47.00 | DammitJim | LRN, never heard of it |
| 17:47.44 | ansgar | !tell sweb -about ubuntu |
| 17:47.46 | jhutchins | sweb: What release is that from? |
| 17:47.55 | jhutchins | !downgrade |
| 17:47.56 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:48.14 | sweb | guys* |
| 17:48.42 | sweb | guy ? |
| 17:49.16 | bipolar | I'm looking for a very simple GUI program for updating workstations. I just want it to check for updates, then install them and display a progress bar that shows how it's progressing. Has anyone ever seen anything like this? |
| 17:49.46 | sweb | ansgar: which package i must to be downgrade ? |
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| 17:51.00 | ansgar | sweb: The downgrade message was for DelphiWorld. dpkg should have told you in private that there is no Ubuntu support in #debian (there is #ubuntu for that). |
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| 17:51.40 | DelphiWorld | ansgar: :) |
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| 17:52.01 | LRN | DammitJim, http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2012/01/11/linux-ssd-partition-alignment-tips/ and http://superuser.com/questions/301318/is-my-ocz-ssd-aligned-correctly |
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| 17:52.26 | trysten | so i unmounted /media/windows |
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| 17:52.37 | trysten | and just deleted /home/user/media |
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| 17:53.07 | trysten | turns out it was a local copy with *some* symlinks to the /media copy. i think shortcuts on the NTFS got turned into symlinks on the copy. quite confusing. |
| 17:53.27 | ansgar | bipolar: Maybe update-manager-gnome? But don't ask me about details, I don't use it ;) |
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| 17:54.40 | cheako | Looks like anyterm will do what I'm looking for. |
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| 17:56.20 | bipolar | ansgar, yeah. I may resort to that. It's a bit too busy for what I want. I'd rather not display that much info to users. |
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| 18:01.45 | DelphiWorld | sadly i'm still unable to downgrade |
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| 18:05.42 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: why do you want to downgrade anyway ? |
| 18:06.03 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: cause i require a specific release of FFMpeg. i Love debian that always stabilise my life |
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| 18:06.54 | abrotman | judd: versions ffmpeg |
| 18:06.55 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.12-0.0; sid: 5:0.8.1-4; wheezy: 5:0.8.1-4; sid-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.3; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.3 |
| 18:06.58 | abrotman | which version is that? |
| 18:07.23 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: 0.5.6 or 0.5.x anyway. |
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| 18:08.38 | DammitJim | can one write a script in bash that sends out a UDP broadcast message? |
| 18:08.45 | DammitJim | or do I have to go with a lower level language? |
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| 18:09.41 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: uh what? |
| 18:09.49 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: which version of Debian are you using ? |
| 18:09.52 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i say 0.5.x |
| 18:09.59 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: sid |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: why would you want to downgrade ? |
| 18:10.26 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i say, cause squeeze have a stable version of FFMpeg. |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: have you filed bugs against the squeeze version |
| 18:10.46 | abrotman | is ffmpeg a GUI app ? |
| 18:10.51 | DelphiWorld | no, abrotman |
| 18:10.55 | DelphiWorld | it's stable for me like i say |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | !tell DelphiWorld about chroot |
| 18:11.59 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ffmpeg is a lib |
| 18:12.07 | DelphiWorld | what should i do with chroot? |
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| 18:15.41 | zagabar_ | Hey. I am trying to set up debian so that I can toggle my keyboard layout using caps lock. I've achieved this with this command: setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:caps_toggle se,us |
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| 18:15.57 | zagabar_ | However the problem is that this makes my alt-gr (the right-alt of swedish keyboards) become a hold-thisbutton-to-change-layout-button and hence I cannot use it for typing. :( Is there a way to disable this behaviour? |
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| 18:16.56 | lukash_ | Hi guys. I've problem with packaging. Let's assume i want to create my own deb-package. I got sources, but they depends >= libfm-0.15. Squezee contain only 0.12, but previous versions of Debian contain 0.15-0.17. What should i do in order to fix this problem? |
| 18:18.05 | jhutchins | ,versions libfm |
| 18:18.06 | judd | No package named 'libfm' was found in i386. |
| 18:18.13 | jhutchins | ,versions libfm-0 |
| 18:18.15 | judd | No package named 'libfm-0' was found in i386. |
| 18:18.20 | jhutchins | ,versions libfm-0.12 |
| 18:18.21 | judd | No package named 'libfm-0.12' was found in i386. |
| 18:18.25 | jhutchins | ,versions libfm-0.15 |
| 18:18.26 | judd | No package named 'libfm-0.15' was found in i386. |
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| 18:19.45 | lukash_ | sorry. it's about libfm-0.1.17: It can be found in sid http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libfm, but in squeeze it's 0.1.12 |
| 18:20.24 | jhutchins | !tell lukash_ about ssb |
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| 18:21.17 | DelphiWorld | jhulst: SSB? Single side band? ;)Ã |
| 18:21.18 | DelphiWorld | ;) |
| 18:21.39 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins: you??? |
| 18:21.41 | lukash_ | Thank you. I'll try |
| 18:21.45 | DelphiWorld | not jhulst |
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| 18:23.19 | DelphiWorld | d'oh |
| 18:23.24 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: downgrade is going |
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| 18:31.35 | v43 | anyone around? |
| 18:32.25 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: curious. what do apt mean? |
| 18:33.03 | daemonkeeper | v43: Evidently you are. |
| 18:33.15 | v43 | guess people are alive in here... anyone know the package name for the natd service? apt-cache search didnt return anything :( |
| 18:33.28 | daemonkeeper | Linux does NAT in the kernel. |
| 18:33.45 | v43 | oooo :) didnt know that, guess ill have to read up on it |
| 18:33.57 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: ,tel v43 about iptables |
| 18:33.58 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:34.08 | devhell | anyone here with alsa and bs2b experience? |
| 18:34.12 | DelphiWorld | v43: are you comming from cisco? ;) |
| 18:34.28 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: uh what? |
| 18:34.39 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: what do APT mean? |
| 18:34.42 | DelphiWorld | the APT tool... |
| 18:34.48 | Fah | man apt |
| 18:34.50 | abrotman | advanced package tool ? |
| 18:34.52 | Fah | it's right at the top |
| 18:35.10 | DelphiWorld | ApTek: truely named |
| 18:35.46 | v43 | DelphiWorld, well yeah i do quite like my IOS :D and i was setting up some freebsd routers too, figure id set up a debian one for fun as well |
| 18:37.03 | acx0 | anyone else here using an iwl3945 wireless chipset? |
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| 18:37.53 | v43 | well thanks DelphiWorld |
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| 18:38.58 | daemonkeeper | v43: Then get used to Linux comfort. Linux does NAT directly in the kernel as both, the TCP/IP stack and netfilter know about it. All you need is a hand full of firewall rules to tell Linux what to NAT. |
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| 18:41.55 | project2501b | is there a debian CRAN helper? |
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| 18:44.17 | abrotman | helper in what sense? |
| 18:45.07 | project2501b | hey abrotman. like there is a cpan debian helper that takes a CPAN module and turns it into a debian pacakge |
| 18:45.15 | project2501b | package, even |
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| 18:46.50 | abrotman | ah, not sure about that .. searching didn't show anything ? |
| 18:47.14 | project2501b | no sir. i know better than to ask without searching. |
| 18:47.33 | abrotman | project2501b: moment |
| 18:48.23 | D-Boy | ,versions php |
| 18:48.24 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 18:48.24 | abrotman | i thought there might be a #debian-r .. but i don't see one |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | D-Boy: /msg judd versions php5 |
| 18:48.40 | project2501b | not even in irc.debian.org ? |
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| 18:49.02 | abrotman | project2501b: didn't see one .. you can check yourself |
| 18:49.18 | D-Boy | abrotman : thx |
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| 18:49.54 | project2501b | abrotman: ok, i will move along. it might be a good idea to implement on my spare time.... |
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| 18:51.49 | ladowacharpuny | in what program under debian/xfce can i fast look photos? because under default in 100% are unsharp |
| 18:52.15 | kiddesr_ | ladowacharpuny: I like feh |
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| 19:25.02 | cra_ | I came on here a while ago and asked a question then had to dash off to sort out my kids. Please come someone explin how to simply find my wireless settings on my hp 6735s laptop!! I can`t even see where to view any settings! |
| 19:25.49 | dvs | cra_: lspci is a good start |
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| 19:25.59 | jordanm | cra_: if you are using gnome, the nm-applet shows the connections settings. top right next to the date by default |
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| 19:26.38 | cra_ | how can I tell if I`m using gnome |
| 19:26.53 | dvs | takes off his sock |
| 19:27.17 | cra_ | I just see a power symbol, date, time speaker and then a plug socket symbol |
| 19:27.39 | jordanm | cra_: the plug socket symbol is the network-manager applet |
| 19:27.48 | jordanm | cra_: pastebin the output of lspci -nn |
| 19:28.15 | cra_ | would be tricky as i`m on a different laptop..hence no network connection :-( |
| 19:28.36 | cra_ | what I was calling a plug socket is actually more of a switch and just says window selector!!! |
| 19:29.01 | jordanm | cra_: just look at lspci output and report to us what kind of network card it is |
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| 19:29.46 | jordanm | cra_: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 19:30.02 | bbonora | I just did a a2ensite blah.com and the file didn't get moved over to the sites-enabled folder. Does anybody know how I can find out why. Can I do something like this a2ensite -v blah.com? |
| 19:30.08 | cra_ | Ethernet controller - MArvell Tech Group 88E8042 PIC or Network controller: Broadcom Corp BCM4312 |
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| 19:30.37 | dvs | oh boy |
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| 19:30.43 | jordanm | bbonora: it shouldn't be moved, it should be symlinked. blah.com should be the name of the <file> in sites-available |
| 19:30.56 | jordanm | !tell cra_ about bcm4312 |
| 19:30.59 | dvs | cra_: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 19:31.05 | cra_ | If I go to System about - it tells me version 2.30.2 Debian build date 12/11/10 |
| 19:31.17 | jordanm | 2.30?? |
| 19:31.25 | gnarface | god fucking damnit |
| 19:31.27 | jordanm | cra_: what does lsb_release -a say? |
| 19:31.38 | bbonora | jordanm: right but it's not getting linked |
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| 19:32.01 | dvs | looks like Gnome |
| 19:32.09 | gnarface | anyone happen to know if squeeze has some bug that prevents su from obeying limits.conf? |
| 19:32.09 | bbonora | I know there is something wrong with my blah.com file in the sites-available folder but I'm trying to figure out where to view that error |
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| 19:32.15 | cra_ | lsb_release: command not found |
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| 19:33.17 | jordanm | ,file /usr/bin/lsb_release |
| 19:33.21 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/lsb_release in squeeze/i386: lsb-release: usr/bin/lsb_release |
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| 19:34.01 | jordanm | cra_: you need to wire the laptop in to install firmware. you need to install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer from the contrib repo |
| 19:34.07 | jordanm | !tell cra_ about contrib |
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| 19:35.52 | cra_ | jordanm - I`m a totall linux noob so please bear with me! I`m still looking for lsb_release but can not find it in usr/bin/... |
| 19:36.08 | Diopter | cra_: Install the lsb-release package |
| 19:36.22 | jordanm | cra_: don't worry about it, you are running squeeze |
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| 19:36.36 | cra_ | ok |
| 19:36.53 | cra_ | so just to clarify, what is my next step here? |
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| 19:37.32 | jordanm | cra_: plug the laptop in, add contrib to /etc/apt/sources.list, and the apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 19:37.47 | jordanm | cra_: err apt-get update, then the apt-get install |
| 19:38.03 | cra_ | ok so I`ll plug in, open terminal su to root? |
| 19:38.12 | jordanm | cra_: yes |
| 19:38.14 | cra_ | then type ??? |
| 19:38.37 | jordanm | cra_: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:39.22 | dvs | is amazed that "editor" works |
| 19:39.31 | jordanm | its a debianism |
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| 19:42.01 | cra_ | ok..that has thrown up lots of writing |
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| 19:42.57 | jordanm | cra_: you should have a line or two that end in "main" add contrib to the end of those lines, save and exit |
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| 19:43.56 | jordanm | yes |
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| 19:44.57 | cra_ | whenever I try linux, I feel like I`m an idiot!!! |
| 19:45.07 | cra_ | how do I even bloody save??? |
| 19:45.16 | cra_ | ^X is exit... |
| 19:45.24 | dvs | ^O is write |
| 19:45.26 | cra_ | but it doesn`t mention save! |
| 19:45.27 | kesroesweyth | If you made changes, it'll ask you to save. |
| 19:45.55 | epsilon | cra_: you mean in vi? |
| 19:46.01 | kesroesweyth | Probably nano. |
| 19:46.06 | sturles | nano or whatever the default editor is today is hopeless. |
| 19:46.13 | sturles | Should be emacs or at least vi. |
| 19:46.27 | dvs | no way |
| 19:46.33 | kesroesweyth | likes nano. |
| 19:46.34 | epsilon | in nano just exit, there will be a prompt to save |
| 19:46.35 | themill | people who know how to use emacs or vi can change that themselves |
| 19:46.36 | jordanm | sturles: if it was either of those two, he probably wouldn't have figured out even how to save the file |
| 19:46.38 | Diopter | Nano is particularly insidious, because it pretends to have emacs bindings |
| 19:46.42 | cra_ | lmao! do I just type ^O on the next line and press return! (it doesn`t seem to do anything) |
| 19:46.45 | Diopter | But they don't behave consistently |
| 19:46.48 | jordanm | sturles: err, I mean edit the file |
| 19:47.00 | kesroesweyth | cra_, control+o |
| 19:47.05 | dvs | cra_: "^" means Ctrl |
| 19:47.08 | sturles | People who can't figure out emacs probably shouldn't. |
| 19:47.09 | jordanm | cra_: just use ctrl-x and you will be prompted to save |
| 19:47.26 | jordanm | sturles: its self documenting... but there is a lot of documentation there |
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| 19:47.48 | jordanm | sturles: and to existing users things like M-w to copy is not intuitive |
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| 19:48.35 | dvs | sturles: emacs ain't easy. I wouldn't recommend emacs or vi to a beginner |
| 19:48.36 | jordanm | neither is C-x C-s (save) or C-x C-c (exit) for that matter |
| 19:48.38 | sturles | Use the mouse then! |
| 19:49.03 | prefixed | what is the best way to find out what is mounted on my filesystem? |
| 19:49.04 | sturles | Emacs even have a menu. |
| 19:49.06 | Diopter | jordanm: Neither is :wq, or ZZ, or gg=G |
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| 19:49.20 | jordanm | sturles: only in GUI mode |
| 19:49.27 | sturles | prefixed: E.g. mount |
| 19:49.33 | dvs | prefixed: uh... mount? |
| 19:49.41 | jordanm | well, the menus are there in -nw mode, but I rarely use them and typically have to look up how to access them |
| 19:49.42 | Diopter | http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg <- text-editor learning curves :P |
| 19:49.45 | cra_ | ok, pressed control x and then said yes |
| 19:49.49 | jordanm | just as fast to use M-x apropos |
| 19:50.07 | cra_ | now it says File name to write: /etc/apt.sources.list |
| 19:50.07 | Diopter | jordanm: Too many keystrokes. C-h a |
| 19:50.12 | Diopter | cra_: Hit enter |
| 19:50.18 | jordanm | cra_: apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 19:50.20 | Fah | M-~ uses the menues in terminal mode in emacs. fyi. |
| 19:50.20 | cra_ | ok |
| 19:50.21 | cra_ | :D |
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| 19:50.54 | Fah | well, i guess it's M-` on a querty keyboard. no shift needed |
| 19:51.02 | jordanm | and just to note, I do my development work in emacs, so I am not hating :) |
| 19:51.11 | sturles | There is a meny bar in text mode as well. You can switch it off, of course, but it is on by default. |
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| 19:52.06 | calrogman | Fah: Yeah, on a UK Qwerty keyboard it's M-` |
| 19:52.21 | prefixed | ok |
| 19:52.25 | cra_ | jordanm - I got quite a few good looking lines but the last says "E: Unable to locate package firware-b43-lphhy-installer |
| 19:52.35 | Diopter | (if (fboundp 'menu-bar-mode) (menu-bar-mode -1)), and ditto with scroll-bar-mode and tool-bar mode |
| 19:52.41 | jordanm | cra_: did you run the apt-get update? |
| 19:52.42 | Diopter | ^ fixes that right up for you in emacs ;P |
| 19:52.45 | prefixed | ok /etc/fstab outputs completely different information than mount -l. what does this mean? |
| 19:52.56 | Diopter | And won't complain if you run -nw or the gui version. heh heh |
| 19:53.08 | jordanm | ,versions firware-b43-lphhy-installer |
| 19:53.08 | cra_ | yes, I think that is the bit that has thrown up the "good lines" |
| 19:53.09 | judd | No package named 'firware-b43-lphhy-installer' was found in i386. |
| 19:53.12 | calrogman | prefixed: It means you should be looking at /etc/mtab |
| 19:53.26 | dvs | firware? |
| 19:53.36 | prefixed | calbasi what is the difference between the two |
| 19:53.58 | dvs | ,versions firmware-b43-lphhy-installe |
| 19:53.59 | judd | No package named 'firmware-b43-lphhy-installe' was found in i386. |
| 19:54.08 | dvs | ,versions firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 19:54.09 | judd | Package: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 4.174.64.19-4; sid/contrib: 1:015-14; wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14 |
| 19:54.12 | dvs | ah\ |
| 19:54.16 | calrogman | prefixed: fstab tells the system how things are mounted, and whether they are mounted automatically or not, mtab shows what's currently mounted |
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| 19:54.49 | jordanm | cra_: sorry, i spelled it wrong, firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 19:54.56 | calrogman | prefixed: importantly, fstab does not change when things are mounted/umounted |
| 19:54.58 | cra_ | ahh lol... |
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| 19:55.06 | tremon | calrogman: /proc/mounts show what's currently mounted. /etc/mtab is not guaranteed to be correct |
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| 19:56.03 | calrogman | tremon: It is if it's a soft link to /proc/mounts (it is on Debian) |
| 19:56.25 | prefixed | ok |
| 19:56.39 | tremon | I prefer to use /proc/mounts directly |
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| 19:57.16 | calrogman | That's fair enough tremon, but as far as any system calls are concerned, they're the same thing. |
| 19:57.32 | prefixed | I need to fix some corruption on one of my partitions (namely the root partition). how do I go about finding out what the root partition is, how to unmount it, and then how to run fsck on it? |
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| 19:57.42 | prefixed | this file might be useful http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588147/ |
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| 19:58.30 | Diopter | prefixed: cat /proc/mounts | grep " / ", is one quick way |
| 19:58.33 | cra_ | so I should be writing apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer ? it tells me reading package list, done; building ... done, reading state info done, but then still ends E: unable to locate package firmware... |
| 19:58.34 | tremon | prefixed: you can't unmount /, you need to boot from a rescue disk for that. Some problems can be solved by mounting / read-only |
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| 19:58.55 | jordanm | prefixed: its a xen dom0? |
| 19:59.02 | jordanm | Diopter: UUOC |
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| 19:59.12 | calrogman | tremon: Actually, you can sync the buffers then update the mount status of / to read only, then run fsck. |
| 19:59.12 | prefixed | jordanm it used to be. now it is on a bare metal server |
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| 19:59.45 | jordanm | cra_: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:59.54 | Diopter | jordanm: I don't always use cat, but when I do, I use it uselessly. |
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| 20:00.02 | calrogman | tremon: Or, you can on FreeBSD at least, since that's the only OS I've ever had that problem on. |
| 20:00.09 | prefixed | ok so root is /dev/sda3 and it is currently RO |
| 20:00.13 | dvs | jordanm: I think it can't find the package to download from Broadcomm or whatever |
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| 20:00.18 | prefixed | so what do I do next? |
| 20:00.28 | calrogman | Diopter: Hey, what's up Dos Equis guy |
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| 20:00.38 | jordanm | dvs: no, that looks like the message from dpkg |
| 20:00.43 | jordanm | dvs: not from a postinst script |
| 20:00.45 | dvs | ok |
| 20:00.54 | jordanm | it could be though |
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| 20:01.34 | cra_ | jordamn, cant pastebin as it is on a different laptop |
| 20:01.38 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:01.52 | prefixed | so can I fsck a RO root partition without causing problems? |
| 20:02.04 | jordanm | cra_: apt-cache policy | grep contrib |
| 20:02.07 | jordanm | cra_: any output? |
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| 20:02.48 | Diopter | prefixed: fsck will warn you if it thinks there's going to be an issue, generally |
| 20:02.52 | cra_ | bash: greb: command not found |
| 20:03.00 | Diopter | cra_: grep. with a P |
| 20:03.03 | dvs | grep |
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| 20:03.43 | cra_ | ahhh. it just jumps to the next line but no error or ouput |
| 20:03.47 | cra_ | output** |
| 20:03.49 | prefixed | Diopter are you absolutely sure? |
| 20:04.09 | tremon | prefixed do you have backups? |
| 20:04.14 | dvs | cra_: Does that laptop have any internet connection right now? |
| 20:04.27 | Diopter | prefixed: If you're doing anything to data you care about and you don't have backups, then you're already doing it wrong |
| 20:04.29 | gnugr | jordanm:i think firmware-brcmxxxx needs also "non-free' |
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| 20:04.41 | prefixed | tremon no. my backup disc died pretty much in parallel with this issue |
| 20:05.01 | tremon | prefixed: fix your backups first |
| 20:05.04 | Diopter | prefixed: So copy the data you care about somewhere else. A couple of somewhere else's, ideally |
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| 20:05.19 | prefixed | can I do that even if the data partition is corrupted? |
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| 20:05.51 | Diopter | Should have had them prior to that point, but, you can at least try. |
| 20:06.01 | tremon | yes you can, it won't make your problems worse |
| 20:06.02 | cra_ | I`ve plugged it in to my router!! |
| 20:06.21 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:06.22 | dvs | just now? |
| 20:06.41 | cra_ | no.. it has been plugged in through all the conversation |
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| 20:06.52 | calrogman | prefixed: `fsck -C - -y /dev/sda3' Good luck. |
| 20:06.52 | dvs | ok |
| 20:06.58 | cra_ | I`m on dual boot and it is running ok via wireless and ethernet cable on W7 |
| 20:07.00 | dvs | just making sure |
| 20:07.39 | prefixed | what is the best way to back up a server to a local HD? |
| 20:07.48 | calrogman | prefixed: rsync |
| 20:07.50 | prefixed | rsync? scp? |
| 20:08.15 | prefixed | I only need to backup one directory + this is linux (ext3) to win7 (NTFS) |
| 20:08.19 | dvs | cra_: apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 20:09.06 | jordanm | prefixed: permissions will not be saved if you backup to NTFS |
| 20:09.08 | tremon | prefixed: depends on size, bandwidth and use case. If it's one-off, I'd probably just use tar over ssh |
| 20:09.20 | abrotman | wonders about the wisdom of backing up *to* ntfs |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | tremon: local HDD .. |
| 20:09.36 | prefixed | we're looking at about 30gb of data |
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| 20:09.49 | calrogman | abrotman: that's perfectly wise if you use tar and preserve the file permissions |
| 20:09.58 | cra_ | Just to be clear, despite being plugged in, the browsers don`t seem to be finding any webpages!! |
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| 20:10.10 | abrotman | calrogman: i meant filesystem integrity .. not permissions |
| 20:10.40 | cra_ | can`t pastebin because it is on a different computer (hence just tried to access pastebin but no connection) |
| 20:10.46 | calrogman | abrotman: NTFS write operations are slower on Linux than they are Windows but the risk of corruption is negligible. |
| 20:10.59 | prefixed | whoops |
| 20:11.06 | calrogman | prefixed: whoops? |
| 20:11.07 | prefixed | just ran a du -h on my websir |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | calrogman: it's not my data .. i don't care |
| 20:11.10 | prefixed | how do I stop it |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | ctrl-c |
| 20:11.18 | calrogman | Ctrl - C |
| 20:11.19 | prefixed | ctrl +c isn't working |
| 20:11.25 | calrogman | Ctrl - [ |
| 20:11.27 | bla | ctrl+z and then kill -9 %1 |
| 20:11.47 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:11.50 | prefixed | man |
| 20:11.52 | prefixed | that was scary |
| 20:12.00 | Diopter | Was it |
| 20:12.06 | prefixed | printing for days |
| 20:12.19 | Diopter | Oh noes! You'll run out of screen! |
| 20:12.24 | prefixed | oh no! |
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| 20:12.54 | calrogman | Diopter: I once ran out of screen, this was around the time Thailand started flooding so the price of screen was sky high. |
| 20:13.03 | cra_ | anyone any thoughts where I`m going with this?? |
| 20:13.03 | dvs | cra_: You need a connection if you are doing apt-get on that laptop |
| 20:13.07 | calrogman | Diopter: I switched to tmux and that fixed it though. :-) |
| 20:13.18 | Diopter | calrogman: A wise decision |
| 20:13.25 | cra_ | any thoughts why I`m not connected now via ethernet cable? |
| 20:13.39 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:13.40 | cra_ | if I`m on my w7 boot, I just plugin and I`m off... |
| 20:13.48 | prefixed | so we're looking at a 48GB backup |
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| 20:13.53 | dvs | cra_: What's in your /etc/network/interface file? |
| 20:14.15 | Diopter | prefixed: If you care about permissions and such, you probably want to tar the file, since it's going to a non-*n?x filesystem. |
| 20:14.20 | Diopter | prefixed: If you don't care, you can just rsync. |
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| 20:14.25 | prefixed | I care |
| 20:14.32 | prefixed | so tar and then scp? |
| 20:14.38 | prefixed | or what? |
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| 20:15.07 | Diopter | Sure. Or tar + nc |
| 20:15.12 | prefixed | what's nc |
| 20:15.20 | Diopter | netcat |
| 20:15.26 | prefixed | oh |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | didn't he say it was a local drive? |
| 20:15.33 | calrogman | yeah tar then scp (using putty) is your best bet |
| 20:15.41 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:15.46 | Diopter | abrotman: Everyone was talking about network copying, so I assumed. |
| 20:15.48 | prefixed | this is going to take a while |
| 20:16.07 | cra_ | dvs not much, auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
| 20:16.19 | dvs | yeah, that's a problem |
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| 20:16.21 | tremon | prefixed: where are you saving the backup? Not on the corrupted disk I hope? |
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| 20:16.42 | prefixed | tremon no, to a local NTFS drive |
| 20:16.55 | abrotman | so using scp is silly |
| 20:17.03 | dvs | cra_: You need to add two lines to that file: "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 20:17.04 | abrotman | use tar and cp/mv |
| 20:17.04 | Diopter | Quite. |
| 20:17.05 | prefixed | actually |
| 20:17.11 | calrogman | really, just use cp in that event |
| 20:17.11 | bla | In fact, not really. |
| 20:17.17 | prefixed | it is remote from the server |
| 20:17.18 | bla | I like rsync --progress for big local coying. |
| 20:17.21 | prefixed | local to me |
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| 20:17.55 | Diopter | bla: I like rsync for everything. Can ssh tunnel if needed, rsyncd if not, get progress/partials/ACLS/xattrs/hard-links, can delete if you need mirroring.. |
| 20:18.00 | Diopter | Fantastic tool |
| 20:18.24 | prefixed | ok, so what is the best way to do this. Do i need to TAR the whole directory first and THEN scp, or is there a better way? |
| 20:18.25 | tremon | prefixed: so you want to backup files from server A to a drive on machine B, where B != A? |
| 20:18.28 | bla | True. I use it for backups as well. |
| 20:18.35 | prefixed | Trellmor correct |
| 20:18.52 | bla | prefixed, have you got place for a tar file? Then do it. It's safer to split the action into the chunks. |
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| 20:19.07 | cra_ | I don`t have permission to make the changes!! |
| 20:19.07 | prefixed | bla I do, but it's on the corrupted disc |
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| 20:19.30 | tremon | prefixed: and if you don't backup to a network pipe, where are you going to store the archive before copying it over the network? |
| 20:19.31 | dvs | cra_: Then how did you change the /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 20:19.52 | cra_ | ahh, is this a test? - using editor? |
| 20:20.03 | dvs | !beer cra_ |
| 20:20.04 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for cra_ |
| 20:20.25 | tremon | bleh, drak |
| 20:20.26 | prefixed | bla / tremon ok, so basically, I need to place the tar on the disc with errors on it? |
| 20:20.37 | bla | prefixed, on case like that I would make sure I have unix attributes for files (not ntfs then), and use rsync to copy files; it's possible to restart in case of broken network connection. |
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| 20:21.04 | prefixed | hm |
| 20:21.20 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:21.25 | prefixed | let me get another drive out then |
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| 20:22.15 | bla | Would be best. Especially since 48GB is rather big chunk for a network transfer - no idea what are you working with though. |
| 20:22.37 | prefixed | big pipes |
| 20:22.40 | tremon | prefixed: for a really dirty solution, try ssh server tar cj /path/to/files > /local/backup.tar.bz2 |
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| 20:22.55 | karlpinc | prefixed: If you've a broken drive you don't want to write to it for fear of further corruption. |
| 20:23.18 | cra_ | dvs - what is the file extension for this file? |
| 20:23.28 | prefixed | ok |
| 20:23.31 | prefixed | rsync it is |
| 20:23.41 | prefixed | super happy that I just bought a USB3 enclosure |
| 20:23.55 | cra_ | I`ve looked at properties and it just says text file |
| 20:23.58 | cra_ | .txt |
| 20:24.23 | dvs | cra_: There is no file extension. File extensions are mostly meaningless in Linux |
| 20:24.32 | cra_ | why is that? |
| 20:24.57 | Flash__ | the question should be: why does windows and dos rely on them? |
| 20:24.59 | tremon | cra_: because file extensions are meaningless. What matters is the contents of the file, not some arbitrary part of the name |
| 20:25.10 | bla | prefixed, rsync --force --numeric-ids -avAXzH --delete <- this is what I use. |
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| 20:25.51 | dvs | cra_: Because permissions and groups are used more instead of file extensions. |
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| 20:26.30 | cra_ | ok, well that has worked in terms of adding those lines |
| 20:26.39 | cra_ | anything else I need to do, reboot ...? |
| 20:26.55 | dvs | cra_: Try "ifup eth0" |
| 20:26.58 | karlpinc | prefixed: The best thing you can do is have the source drive in read-only mode (use "mount -o remount,ro ....") and then dd the entire drive to the new drive. (No problem pipeing it through ssh. "dd if=/dev/whatever of=/dev/stdout | ssh dd=/dev/stdin of=/dev/newdrive) _Then_ you fsck the target drive to recover as much as possible. |
| 20:27.14 | tremon | reminds himself that apt-* does care about file extensions (.list, .conf) |
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| 20:28.12 | karlpinc | prefixed: (Oops, you have to specify a target box with ssh. dd if=/dev/whatever of=/dev/stdout | ssh root@boxB dd=/dev/stdin of=/dev/newdrive |
| 20:28.25 | cra_ | well it threw back a lot of lines, none of which mean very much to me!! |
| 20:28.33 | karlpinc | prefixed: Or, the ssh could be from box B to box A, doesn't matter. |
| 20:29.00 | cra_ | hurrray!!! internet is working |
| 20:29.08 | dvs | cra_: We need to see those lines so we can help you. |
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| 20:29.17 | dvs | oh nevermind |
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| 20:29.43 | dvs | cra_: Now try those commands from before with apt-get |
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| 20:29.49 | cra_ | ok, sorry, I`ve been sidetracked. So internet is now on via ethernet...do I need to get-install |
| 20:29.49 | cra_ | ok |
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| 20:30.19 | cra_ | please can I ask...why were those critical lines not already loaded into the network file ...???? |
| 20:30.38 | karlpinc | prefixed: This gives you every block to work with. However, sometimes the dd command won't work on a broken drive, if it's really broken. In that case you can use ddrescue. But in that case it'd be better to boot off of a different drive on the broken box, because you don't want to write to a broken drive to have to install anything. |
| 20:31.24 | dvs | cra_: Because that information was not entered as part of the install process (and yes, the installer would ask for this) |
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| 20:34.18 | cra__ | nope...still unable to locate package! |
| 20:34.46 | dvs | cra__: apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 20:36.49 | cra__ | http://pastebin.com/z7ZcFc2j |
| 20:37.30 | cra__ | sorry http://pastebin.com/z7ZcFc2J |
| 20:38.19 | dvs | cra__: That's not the command he said |
| 20:38.39 | cra__ | ohh, the whole lot |
| 20:38.42 | cra__ | ok sorry!!! |
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| 20:40.09 | cra__ | http://pastebin.com/XzpXEbzE |
| 20:41.09 | tremon | !sources.list |
| 20:41.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:42.20 | dvs | cra__: echo "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib" > /etc/apt/sources.list; echo "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:42.44 | dvs | oops, one correction |
| 20:42.49 | cra__ | sorry, that doesn`t mean anything to me |
| 20:42.50 | dvs | cra__: echo "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib" > /etc/apt/sources.list; echo "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:43.04 | dvs | cra__: Run that command |
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| 20:44.31 | cra__ | permission denied |
| 20:44.39 | jordanm | cra__: as root |
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| 20:45.07 | cra__ | just to clarify, the command is /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:46.07 | cra__ | permission denied... in root |
| 20:46.36 | karlpinc | cra__: You're not typing _everything_ he gave you. _everything after the first : |
| 20:46.57 | karlpinc | cra__: (without whatever line breaks show up in irc) |
| 20:47.07 | dvs | cra__: Yeah, enter everything after "cra__:" as is EXACTLY |
| 20:47.09 | jordanm | cra__: as the root user, not in the root directory |
| 20:47.20 | cra__ | ohhh!! |
| 20:47.24 | karlpinc | cra__: All as one long line. |
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| 20:48.08 | cra__ | really sorry, i`m on a different computer here so will have to type it all in...is there any easy way of installing irc on the debian system now I have internet or am i best just typing it in for now? |
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| 20:50.40 | dvs | cra__: Not as the system is right now |
| 20:51.01 | dvs | cra__: Once this last part is done, installing packages will be easy |
| 20:53.34 | cra__ | done the first, I didn`t get any output is that correct? |
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| 20:53.53 | dvs | cra__: paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:55.50 | prefixed | ok |
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| 20:56.02 | prefixed | I need to format a drvie as EXT3 in win7. how do? |
| 20:56.22 | dvs | in Win 7? You can't |
| 20:56.23 | Woet | why would I get "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"? that package is installed and the files are there |
| 20:56.41 | prefixed | dvs an external drive |
| 20:57.00 | tremon | Woet: ldd is your friend |
| 20:57.02 | dvs | Doesn't matter. No facility exists in Windows 7 |
| 20:57.19 | Woet | tremon: hmm, it wants 32 bit for some reason, will install tha trone |
| 20:57.23 | prefixed | dvs you are incorrect: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=15239 |
| 20:57.49 | tremon | prefixed: so, why did you ask? |
| 20:57.59 | prefixed | I did a parallel search |
| 20:58.22 | dvs | prefixed: There's a gparted for Windows? Then use that. |
| 20:58.30 | gnarface | prefixed: nonetheless we only support debian here |
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| 20:58.36 | cra__ | it is saying permission denied now in root!! |
| 20:58.45 | prefixed | there is also a driver which allows you to read ext3 |
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| 20:58.50 | dvs | cra__: What command does? |
| 20:58.55 | prefixed | gnarface this is very much related to debian |
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| 20:59.49 | gnarface | prefixed: that is a very subjective statement |
| 21:00.22 | prefixed | gnarface sure. I can see how you'd say that |
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| 21:00.49 | alex- | How do I enable iptables? |
| 21:01.09 | freebird | you guys what would be a good soft like hwinfo32 or everest |
| 21:01.14 | freebird | for linux ? |
| 21:01.29 | cra_ | ahhh! |
| 21:02.04 | alex- | How do I enable iptables? |
| 21:02.08 | cra_ | it says /etc/apt/sources.list permission denied |
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| 21:02.29 | dvs | cra_: That's not a command, that a configuration file |
| 21:03.01 | cra_ | paste /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
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| 21:03.34 | dvs | cra_: Put the file /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin.com so that we can see the contents. |
| 21:03.46 | cra_ | ok, that gives me two lines .... |
| 21:03.50 | cra_ | ok, will do |
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| 21:03.56 | freebird | pleaseee, anyone know a good hwinfo32 for LINUX ??? |
| 21:04.34 | freebird | I need to find out which graphic card I 've, lspci and dmesg | grep anyhthing |
| 21:04.37 | freebird | wont tell me nothing |
| 21:04.42 | freebird | how should I proceed ? |
| 21:04.54 | alex- | anyoen? |
| 21:04.59 | nvz | freebird: um.. what?! |
| 21:05.12 | freebird | nvz, ??? |
| 21:05.14 | dvs | freebird: How about lspci | grep -i vga ? |
| 21:05.14 | nvz | alex-: do you use a GUI on your system? |
| 21:05.19 | nvz | dvs: seriously.. heh |
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| 21:05.36 | freebird | nvz, lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 21:05.55 | cra_ | http://pastebin.com/z4MYpbGv |
| 21:06.02 | karlpinc | !tell freebird about pciid |
| 21:06.03 | freebird | nvz, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 21:06.19 | nvz | alex-: because if you're new to all this, a gui firewall tool is easiest to use.. |
| 21:06.38 | dvs | cra_: Good! |
| 21:06.53 | karlpinc | alex-: FWIW, I prefer ferm to raw iptables. YMMV. |
| 21:06.54 | nvz | freebird: ok.. so what is your problem? |
| 21:06.55 | dvs | cra_: Now run "apt-get update" (without the quotes) |
| 21:06.59 | cra_ | ohh good ... I`ve not a clue what we are doing |
| 21:07.01 | cra_ | ok |
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| 21:07.46 | nvz | uses firestarter when he needs iptables which is usually only for simple and temporary things |
| 21:07.46 | cra_ | ahh, lot more happening this time...downloaded some stuff...that definately did as it should have! |
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| 21:08.01 | freebird | nvz, in win, I go 1024x768, in here, only 800x600 |
| 21:08.11 | freebird | nvz, I've a hp mini 210-1000 |
| 21:08.18 | dvs | cra_: Now run "apt-get update" (It should get some newer packages) |
| 21:08.33 | nvz | freebird: well I find that hard to believe.. those netbooks usually only do 1024x600 |
| 21:08.34 | karlpinc | freebird: Did you see the message from the bot? What's your pciid? |
| 21:08.49 | freebird | nvz, oh ok, I guess you're right |
| 21:08.51 | cra_ | ok, did so |
| 21:09.09 | damacus | ufw is pretty nice for a simple iptables wrapper |
| 21:09.13 | cra_ | what does apt get mean btw? |
| 21:09.15 | damacus | , versions ufw |
| 21:09.16 | judd | Package: ufw on i386 -- squeeze: 0.29.3-1; sid: 0.31.1-1; wheezy: 0.31.1-1 |
| 21:09.25 | damacus | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall |
| 21:09.41 | nvz | cra_: apt-get is a package frontend used for fetching packages from an internet mirror or cd or such |
| 21:09.56 | cra_ | ok |
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| 21:10.02 | dvs | cra_: That's (one of) the command that manages the Debian packages |
| 21:10.10 | freebird | karlpinc, nvz [8086:a011 |
| 21:10.33 | nvz | freebird: are you using squeeze on this machine? |
| 21:10.33 | cra_ | so lol, 2 hours on...am I nearer to having my wifi working :p |
| 21:10.37 | karlpinc | cra_: There are a number of them. "aptitude", perhaps, does better conflict resolution. "synaptic" has a gui interface. |
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| 21:10.54 | karlpinc | ,pciid 8086:a011 |
| 21:10.56 | judd | [8086:a011] is 'N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a011 |
| 21:11.13 | freebird | nvz, almost, ubuntu in this one, but people in ubuntu channel don't know much |
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| 21:11.34 | karlpinc | freebird: *sigh* |
| 21:11.39 | karlpinc | !tell freebird about ubuntu |
| 21:12.03 | karlpinc | freebird: We could break your box. We don't know ubuntu and things can be different. |
| 21:12.13 | nvz | freebird: this is true, and from my experience neither do the people who develop ubuntu.. or else they wouldnt release a buggy pile of shit every 6mo |
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| 21:12.33 | craigevil | cra_if you are running Gnome there is a shiny GUI to ufw aptly called gufw |
| 21:12.44 | karlpinc | nvz: Now now. They probably want a buggy pile of shit, so they can release every 6 months. :) |
| 21:12.45 | freebird | you guys suggest debian instead ? |
| 21:12.55 | nvz | freebird: duh |
| 21:13.13 | karlpinc | freebird: It's not for everybody, but we like debian more than most. |
| 21:13.27 | fasta | freebird: which graphics chip do you have? |
| 21:13.32 | freebird | I'm using squeezy in my notebook, always did, |
| 21:13.42 | karlpinc | fasta: See above. |
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| 21:13.55 | cra_ | craigevil - I didn`t get the end of that!! |
| 21:14.00 | freebird | fasta, [8086:a011] is 'N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' |
| 21:14.04 | cra_ | I am running gnome |
| 21:14.12 | fasta | freebird: I think I would run Nix OS on that. |
| 21:14.28 | dvs | cra_: Oh? You're running Gnome? I'd install synaptic. |
| 21:14.29 | nvz | freebird: I'd recommend reading over http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and http://www.debian.org/social_contract and decide for yourself |
| 21:14.33 | fasta | freebird: it depends a bit on your needs. |
| 21:14.36 | karlpinc | cra_: I missed it. _why_ do you want a firewall? |
| 21:14.49 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:14.54 | freebird | fasta, just want a better screen resolution man |
| 21:14.55 | freebird | that's all |
| 21:15.19 | cra_ | ? I didn`t know I did,..I just want my wireless adaptor working!! |
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| 21:15.34 | ag4ve | freebird: i recommend debian on any system that you don't have to go through audits with |
| 21:15.35 | dvs | karlpinc: alex wanted the firewall |
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| 21:16.12 | ag4ve | ie, there was a cve for samba a month ago that wasn't in debian/stable security repo for over a week - that fails for business use |
| 21:16.14 | karlpinc | dvs, cra_ : oops. Sorry. |
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| 21:16.23 | taime1 | hello. Using xfce, the notify-osd daemon works as long as compositing isnt enabled. is there a way to have notify-osd work while compositing is enabled in xfce? |
| 21:16.24 | cra_ | :) |
| 21:16.27 | dvs | cra_: is "apt-get update" finished? |
| 21:16.44 | cra_ | yes, it was only on for a second, very quick |
| 21:17.07 | ag4ve | otoh, i know debian better than rh, so... |
| 21:17.18 | dvs | cra_: Now try "apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer" (I hope that's it) |
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| 21:17.34 | karlpinc | ag4ve: Perhaps. It also fails for business use if samba simply breaks. You want your new stuff tested. It all depends on the severity/exploitability. Anyway, go complain to debian's samba team. |
| 21:18.18 | cra_ | ahhh looking good! What will this do? |
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| 21:18.34 | karlpinc | !tell cra about non-free firmware |
| 21:18.44 | dvs | cra_: That will allow you to use network-manager to see your wireless card. |
| 21:19.07 | karlpinc | cra_: Yah. You don't really want to know what it will do, do you? |
| 21:19.28 | ag4ve | karlpinc: just saying, this is the latest example i can think of. and cent/rhel will fly by an audit quicker than debian in most cases. |
| 21:19.28 | dvs | calls Ethan Hawk to explain |
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| 21:20.04 | cra_ | karlpinc - yes, of course i do??? |
| 21:20.19 | karlpinc | ag4ve: centos can take forever, and took forever and a day to release 6. But this is for #debian-offtopic |
| 21:20.24 | karlpinc | !tell cra_ about firmware |
| 21:20.43 | karlpinc | cra_: So, you installed the required firmware to make the hardware work. |
| 21:20.57 | ag4ve | karlpinc: both points are valid :) |
| 21:20.59 | N3M35I5 | anyone know how i can restart all my centovacast streams at once? |
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| 21:21.29 | cra_ | ahhh ok, just read that. So have I installed non-free firmware? |
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| 21:21.36 | alex- | nvz: no i don't use a gui |
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| 21:21.54 | dvs | cra_: Yes, (a necessity for BCM4312) |
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| 21:22.14 | cra_ | but this is why it wasn`t provided with debian as a standard? |
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| 21:22.31 | karlpinc | !tell cra_ about social contract |
| 21:22.33 | freebird | ag4ve, what is audits |
| 21:22.48 | cra_ | ahhh... this is making more sense now anway....however, can`t find network manager to use it!!! |
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| 21:22.51 | karlpinc | freebird, ag4ve: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:23.14 | boudiccas | N3M35I5: and what is a 'centovacast streams ' please? |
| 21:23.15 | freebird | karlpinc, leave us alone man, |
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| 21:23.45 | dvs | cra_: I'd reboot at this point |
| 21:23.49 | ag4ve | freebird: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology_security_audit (and he's right, this isn't debian specific) |
| 21:23.52 | karlpinc | cra_: You may need to install it. Either with "aptitude install network-manager" (or apt-get) or with synaptic. |
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| 21:25.29 | lghtbng | the debian-reference 5.5. states ifupdown were legacy; so what's the state of the art? |
| 21:25.33 | cra_ | so please, I`ll stop mithering shortly but how do I find out where to point to to download stuff. So tonight I`ve learnt about apt-get install ... you`ve told me that I need network manager, so how would I find out what to write after apt-get install to get it? |
| 21:25.48 | damacus | cra_: aptitude search network-manager |
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| 21:26.16 | dvs | cra_: Or install synaptic and search using a GUI |
| 21:26.20 | damacus | that too |
| 21:26.53 | damacus | perhaps note too that debian is for people who know what they want. it doesn't make nearly as many assumptions about your needs as other distros |
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| 21:27.02 | damacus | this is linux, not war. you don't have to be a hero. |
| 21:27.22 | cra_ | lol, so same question, you`ve told me to install synpatic... I presume I`ll therefore need to use apt-get install .... then where to get synaptic? |
| 21:27.23 | damacus | once you've cut your teeth you'll better appreciate its simplicity |
| 21:27.45 | dvs | cra_: apt-get install synaptic |
| 21:28.29 | cra_ | so why did I need sa longer address for the wireless network controller firmware? |
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| 21:28.51 | karlpinc | cra_: But note, we'll always tell you the aptitude or apt-get command (their basic operation is the same) rather than try to talk you through what you're seeing and pressing in the gui. It's just too hard. |
| 21:29.08 | dvs | cra_: Because Debian only keeps free software in its main repo. |
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| 21:29.20 | cra_ | ahhhh |
| 21:29.28 | karlpinc | cra_: You needed to enable the non-free stuff. Now that's done and you won't need to ever again. |
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| 21:29.33 | karlpinc | !tell cra about hard to use |
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| 21:29.53 | cra_ | so do you guys use terminal to do everything or a GUI ? |
| 21:29.58 | dvs | karlpinc: Uh oh. RMS might come here because of what you said! |
| 21:30.08 | dvs | cra_: I use both |
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| 21:30.20 | karlpinc | cra_: (It can also be helpful to ask the bot. Stuff like typenig "/msg dpkg overview" into your irc client.) |
| 21:30.29 | karlpinc | dvs: He hates us anyway. :-) |
| 21:30.35 | dvs | heh |
| 21:30.44 | dvs | "You're not purists!" |
| 21:30.58 | karlpinc | cra_: I use the command line 99% of the time, execpt for the 50% of the time I'm in a web browser. :-) |
| 21:31.07 | cra_ | ok lol |
| 21:31.28 | cra_ | Karlpinc - why use terminal...what is the advantage |
| 21:31.37 | damacus | offtopic. |
| 21:32.22 | damacus | but.. "I once heard an author remark that when you are a child you use a computer by looking at the pictures. When you grow up, you learn to read and write. Welcome to Computer Literacy 101. Now let's get to work." |
| 21:33.28 | damacus | !tell cra_ about general cli tutorial |
| 21:33.42 | karlpinc | cra_: Both the command line and the config files are good because: The interface has not changed since ~1970, so once you learn something it stays learned. Nobody knows how to do a good gui, so they keep changing. Typeing withuot having to reach for the mouse is _fast_, especially when you learn to use the tab key for autocompletion. You can put comments into text so you can understand _why_ you did something, years later. |
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| 21:34.17 | karlpinc | damacus, cra_ : Yes, offtopic. Simple enough to "/join #debian-offtopic" in your irc client and chat there. |
| 21:36.16 | cra_ | lol, I`ve still not got my wireless working!!1 |
| 21:36.18 | nsadmin | cra_, remember to give yourself time to learn |
| 21:37.01 | cra_ | I`ve installed network-manager but can`t find it |
| 21:37.10 | karlpinc | cra_: I think dvs was right. Probably time for a reboot, and install network-manager. (I prefer wicd, but I don't know how to make wireless work so....) |
| 21:37.38 | dvs | network-manager-gnome |
| 21:38.06 | karlpinc | cra_: You could always be root and type "network-manager-gnome". But it's bound to be in the menu somewhere. |
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| 21:42.02 | karlpinc | dvs: Does nm show up in the task bar somewhere automatically? |
| 21:42.41 | dvs | karlpinc: I don't know. I don't use it. I've been told that it shows up as some sort of plug. |
| 21:43.37 | cra_ | well I`m in network-manager-gnome and I have nothing in wireless...can you search for connection or do I need to input ALL the info directly? |
| 21:44.33 | cra_ | or should I be able to see my home wifi in "wireless connections" |
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| 21:45.51 | nsadmin | if everything's working, yes. |
| 21:46.33 | cra_ | hurray! - required another reboot! |
| 21:46.41 | nsadmin | these network manager things, most of them will ignore interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:47.44 | nsadmin | the reason for this, is to allow you to choose per interface which (network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces) to use to configure the interface |
| 21:48.04 | cra_ | sorry, not debian related I suppose but what are you guys using for irc |
| 21:48.17 | nsadmin | irc clients!! |
| 21:48.27 | cra_ | really?? |
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| 21:48.42 | cra_ | :p |
| 21:48.51 | dvs | xchat |
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| 21:49.04 | cedr | I'm using Textual(.app) and irssi-proxy |
| 21:49.17 | Diopter | weechat |
| 21:49.21 | Diopter | Ftw |
| 21:49.35 | cedr | i used it, it had some things I didn't like so I moved back to irssi |
| 21:49.45 | cedr | Although i can't remember what I didn't like about it |
| 21:49.48 | Diopter | As extensible as irssi, native emacs bindings, very active scripting community |
| 21:49.52 | cedr | needs to note these type of things.. |
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| 21:51.30 | thewanderer1 | any ideas where the upstream powertop repo is? |
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| 21:53.28 | raynerd | thanks a lot guys, I`m "cra" - I`m on my debian now with wireless working :-D Thanks again |
| 21:53.29 | nsadmin | !ant ideas |
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| 21:53.53 | nsadmin | raynerd, how did you do that? |
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| 21:54.05 | raynerd | how did I do what? |
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| 21:54.19 | prefixed | alright my brothers |
| 21:54.21 | nsadmin | how did you get your wireless workign? |
| 21:54.25 | prefixed | the time has come |
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| 21:54.37 | nsadmin | oh here we go :P |
| 21:54.46 | raynerd | network-manager-gnome and reboot! :D |
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| 21:55.04 | nsadmin | oh ok... cool :) |
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| 21:55.30 | taime1 | hi. can anyone tell me if its possible to use notify-osd in xfce with compositing enabled? |
| 21:55.32 | prefixed | ok |
| 21:55.54 | prefixed | so I have an EXT3 HD now. so how am I supposed to rsync from the remote server to here? |
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| 21:58.59 | prefixed | ok, anyone? |
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| 21:59.22 | Diopter | prefixed: So you need to use rsync from a remote server to a local drive? |
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| 21:59.59 | BenNZ | prefixed: rsync -arvz user@ip.address:/path/to/folder /path/to/local/folder |
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| 22:00.22 | prefixed | Diopter yes |
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| 22:00.48 | prefixed | BenNZ I see no -e |
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| 22:01.05 | Diopter | prefixed: rsync has a crapton of options. And, wasn't your remote machine a windows box? |
| 22:01.22 | prefixed | yes |
| 22:01.34 | prefixed | I can read/write to ext3 drives on it though |
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| 22:02.13 | BenNZ | prefixed: you can add -e if you want , |
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| 22:03.15 | prefixed | I need to push content via rsync |
| 22:03.22 | nsadmin | what's an ext3 drive? |
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| 22:03.38 | Diopter | prefixed: The thing about rsync is that you need the rsync binary on the local and remote system. |
| 22:03.42 | nsadmin | do you mean a partitioned drive with ext3 filesystems? |
| 22:03.47 | prefixed | yes |
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| 22:04.30 | simonlnu | !ops could someone please "fix" D-Boy? thank you |
| 22:04.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: could someone please "fix" D-Boy? thank you |
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| 22:05.09 | simonlnu | thanks |
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| 22:05.39 | prefixed | Diopter it looks like it is possible with cygwin |
| 22:05.54 | nsadmin | now tell him why |
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| 22:06.14 | Devilholk | I dont understand this. I am trying to boot from USB. I'm following the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.sv |
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| 22:06.17 | Diopter | prefixed: It is. Lots of things are possible. But your simplest solution to copy from a windows box is probably going to be cifs/smbfs |
| 22:06.23 | LoRez | rather hard when his connection is borked |
| 22:06.36 | Devilholk | When trying it out with qemu it works but on the system I'm trying to boot syslinux cant find the config file |
| 22:07.01 | cedr | LoRez: redirect ban to ##fix_your_connection? |
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| 22:07.16 | LoRez | he was already there. |
| 22:07.33 | LoRez | I redirected him to /kline since he was doing that in lots of channels |
| 22:07.44 | rainfyre | hey all. I just downloaded and extracted Thunderbird 12 as a tar.bz2. I can execute it from the terminal, but I'm wondering how to install it so that an icon shows up in my menu |
| 22:07.44 | cedr | Oh, fun. |
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| 22:07.52 | rainfyre | is there a way to do that? |
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| 22:08.13 | nsadmin | oh that's what that is |
| 22:08.59 | raynerd | if I download a .deb package to my local disk, how do I go about installing it? |
| 22:09.17 | nsadmin | raynerd, dpkg --help |
| 22:09.17 | Diopter | raynerd: dpkg -i |
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| 22:10.02 | Devilholk | This is the contents of the FAT16 partition of the USB memory I am trying to boot from: http://paste.debian.net/165937/ |
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| 22:12.05 | raynerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.59 | raynerd | dpkg -i <installfile.deb> | -r /raynerd/downloads/ |
| 22:12.59 | dpkg | package <installfile.deb> | -r /raynerd/downloads/ is already installed |
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| 22:13.40 | Diopter | pats dpkg |
| 22:13.43 | Devilholk | raynerd: dpkg -i raynerd/downloads/file.deb |
| 22:14.28 | raynerd | the problem I`m having is that at present the help is no help! I just can`t make sense of what it is telling me to do |
| 22:15.07 | Devilholk | I think it is rather obvious, you just need to know that | is "or" and that < > is a non-optional argument |
| 22:15.19 | Devilholk | Optional ones are usually within [ ] |
| 22:15.20 | nsadmin | raynerd, at present you're right... and, repeated exposure starting NOW is what's going to get you there faster |
| 22:15.32 | nsadmin | you actually found it |
| 22:16.27 | nsadmin | just this: dpkg -i <installfile.deb> |
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| 22:17.38 | raynerd | <> what does a non-optical argument mean? I should have known | is or from the little programming I have done |
| 22:17.56 | Devilholk | raynerd: non-optional, you have to specify it |
| 22:18.13 | Devilholk | raynerd: Since -i tells dpkg to install from a file you have to tell it which file |
| 22:18.52 | raynerd | ok I see |
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| 22:20.31 | raynerd | dpkg -i raynerd/Downloads/fcc.deb no file or directory |
| 22:20.31 | dpkg | removes a lung from raynerd and replaces it with raynerd/Downloads/fcc.deb no file or directory |
| 22:20.38 | raynerd | it is definately there...I can see it! |
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| 22:21.22 | Devilholk | raynerd: Are you sure you are specifying the relative path correctly? |
| 22:21.36 | raynerd | raynerd is my home directory |
| 22:21.37 | Devilholk | raynerd: Try this: ls raynerd/Downloads/fcc.deb |
| 22:21.48 | Devilholk | So your current directory is /home? |
| 22:22.47 | Devilholk | raynerd: Did ls find the file and listed it? |
| 22:22.53 | raynerd | no |
| 22:23.07 | raynerd | so clearly I`m not where I think it is! |
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| 22:23.34 | raynerd | ahh home/raynerd.... ??! |
| 22:23.36 | Devilholk | raynerd: ls /home/raynerd/Downloads/fcc.deb |
| 22:23.45 | Devilholk | If you start with / it will be an absolute path |
| 22:23.49 | Devilholk | Otherwise it will be relative |
| 22:23.59 | Devilholk | Like ../ will be parent directory (also a relative path) |
| 22:24.07 | Devilholk | ./ is current directory |
| 22:24.16 | Devilholk | It can be useful during some circumstances |
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| 22:24.46 | raynerd | ok, yes, home/raynerd/ .... lists it |
| 22:24.47 | arthurdent | What is the difference between all of the cd isos you can download? |
| 22:25.01 | arthurdent | they all end in different numbers and are slightly different sizes |
| 22:25.04 | Devilholk | raynerd: There you go, just apply to dpkg |
| 22:25.08 | raynerd | :D |
| 22:25.22 | craigevil | arthurdent, only need cd1 or the netinstall cd, the rest just have more packages |
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| 22:25.33 | arthurdent | ok cool thanks |
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| 22:26.54 | raynerd | rock and roll - that worked :D |
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| 22:27.40 | raynerd | out of interest, could I have installed it without terminal? |
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| 22:30.37 | craigevil | raynerd, yes install gdebi |
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| 22:38.49 | Devilholk | Does anyone have some suggestions of how I can try to troubleshoot this myself? |
| 22:39.14 | Devilholk | I dont know if syslinux fails to find the files due to the filesystem or if it is invoked from the boot sector but is not able to access the USB device |
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| 22:40.53 | scwizard | The nvidia drivers are starting to glitch on me |
| 22:41.02 | scwizard | how can I change back to the nouevu drivers? |
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| 22:44.29 | Devilholk | I just removed every file on that USB device and the result is the same so I guess the problem is the bootloader not being able to access the device >.< |
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| 22:46.31 | streuner | scwizard: /msg dpkg nvidia-installer sucks |
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| 22:46.52 | calrogman | I know this is massively off topic but can anybody here point me to a good resource for learning x86 assembly, specifically the opcodes and registers at my disposal? |
| 22:47.15 | scwizard | heh |
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| 22:47.51 | ziarkaen | Why do I have a btrfs kernel module autoloaded? (presumably by udev) Is some system filesystem using this? "mount | grep btrfs" returns nothing. MY filesystems are all ext4. |
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| 22:48.37 | nsadmin | ziarkaen, because something ran insmod btrfs? |
| 22:48.38 | streuner | scwizard: sorry, but didnt you know about the consequenses? |
| 22:48.52 | scwizard | streuner, I didn't use the nvidia installer |
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| 22:49.13 | streuner | scwizard: well, but you just installed a binary package, right? |
| 22:49.36 | ziarkaen | nsadmin: It does look that way. I'm trying to figure out what. |
| 22:49.45 | scwizard | I used how do you say it. DKMS |
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| 22:51.05 | streuner | dkms is an easy way to compile modules, nothing more or less... |
| 22:51.37 | streuner | i hope it didnt alter any other things then |
| 22:51.45 | scwizard | I didn't run the nvidia installer... |
| 22:51.49 | streuner | ok |
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| 22:52.07 | scwizard | I compiled the module with dkms then did apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 22:52.12 | scwizard | or something |
| 22:53.17 | streuner | look at wiki.debian.org, maybe there is a solution to get rid of it |
| 22:54.06 | ziarkaen | Now that I look at it, initramfs seems to be autoloading pretty much every filesystem module at boot. (this is the default configuration) Do most Debian users just live their lives with all these modules in background, never being used? |
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| 22:54.53 | craigevil | btrfs is in newer kernels, /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-486/kernel/fs/btrfs if you dont use it nothing to be concerned about |
| 22:55.03 | streuner | i guess yes, because thats not an important thing for RAM and performance |
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| 22:56.50 | ziarkaen | I see. I suppose it doesn't really impact performance, but it looks kinda messy. Probably not worth changing. |
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| 22:59.18 | Diopter | calrogman: Intel publishes extensive programming manuals for their processors |
| 23:00.00 | Diopter | calrogman: I'd recommend starting there, at least to have as *the* reference, and then maybe move through something like http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/X86_Assembly |
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| 23:00.26 | calrogman | Diopter: Thanks. |
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| 23:03.26 | streuner | scwizard_: well, in theory, if you installed using by apt, just use remove (purge) then |
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| 23:04.44 | raynerd | could someone please tell me what to do with flashplayer to get it to install... at present I can`t run youtube vids |
| 23:04.59 | streuner | scwizard_: try "dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia" |
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| 23:05.02 | Xat` | hi |
| 23:05.16 | streuner | raynerd: /msg dpkg flash |
| 23:05.59 | raynerd | what does the /msg command do? |
| 23:06.23 | streuner | raynerd: /message bot factoid |
| 23:06.36 | nsadmin | raynerd, /help |
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| 23:06.40 | streuner | raynerd: it just tell the bot to send you a message |
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| 23:07.13 | Xat` | i have an user but he is neither on my /etc/passwd nor on my ldap.. what's this user |
| 23:07.58 | Diopter | Xat`: How do you think you have this user? |
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| 23:08.29 | Xat` | Diopter: I have my user named Xat in ldap, but this stranger user is xat |
| 23:08.41 | Xat` | with sames groups |
| 23:08.44 | Diopter | Xat`: How do you think you have this user? |
| 23:08.57 | Xat` | oh ok |
| 23:09.15 | Xat` | userdel xat |
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| 23:09.43 | Xat` | return me that this user is connected and can't be deleted |
| 23:09.52 | nsadmin | slay xat |
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| 23:11.16 | Xat` | "id xat" is different from "id Xat" |
| 23:11.42 | nsadmin | look at ps aux | grep xat |
| 23:11.50 | Diopter | Xat`: Are you on Squeeze? |
| 23:12.27 | streuner | why do i need to run pkill deb_checkmd5sum? |
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| 23:13.24 | Xat` | nsadmin: nothing with lsof, ps -ef |
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| 23:13.31 | streuner | or in other words, how to disable tor un deb_checkmd5sum at all? |
| 23:13.43 | streuner | s/tor run/to run/ |
| 23:14.12 | Xat` | Diopter: i'm on squeeze |
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| 23:14.47 | Diopter | Xat`: See anything interesting on "who -dlu"? |
| 23:15.02 | nsadmin | Xat`, that the only machine you have? |
| 23:15.07 | streuner | nsadmin: so you dont run sid at all? |
| 23:15.12 | nsadmin | nope |
| 23:15.15 | nvz | streuner: idk, because you're impatient? heh |
| 23:15.40 | streuner | nvz, nah, but i saw only one regular here... |
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| 23:16.22 | aerouser | Accidentally deleted the files dir from .Trash |
| 23:16.31 | Xat` | Diopter: only tty and root with "who -dlu" |
| 23:16.31 | aerouser | What permissions do I need to give it? |
| 23:16.38 | nvz | shrugs and goes to take a more extended walk since his brain seems to not be working very well right now |
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| 23:17.24 | Xat` | nsadmin: oh i've a user xat on another ldaptop |
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| 23:17.36 | streuner | nvz: the strange thing is, it wasnt never an issue here, IIRC |
| 23:17.56 | Xat` | nsadmin: and with this user I'm connected to samba on this server |
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| 23:18.15 | Xat` | i gonna try to umount |
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| 23:18.34 | streuner | nvz: and, it became a problem the last 2 or 3 weeks, the laptop just shutdown (temp.) then... |
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| 23:19.33 | doudou | does abrotman not dead yet? |
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| 23:21.37 | Xat` | ok, I umounted my samba share from my laptop |
| 23:22.29 | Xat` | now with "userdel xat" I get this is impossible to remove entry xat from /etc/passwd |
| 23:22.42 | streuner | nvz: good idea, but its her 1:22 AM ;-) |
| 23:22.49 | streuner | s/her/here/ |
| 23:23.25 | Xat` | and this entry xat is not on my ldap |
| 23:23.38 | Xat` | neither in my pdbedit -L |
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| 23:24.03 | Devilholk | omfg.. now it seems to work. No idea why it didnt before |
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| 23:25.22 | calrogman | Devilholk: That's my reaction every time any of the assembly I write works. |
| 23:25.45 | Devilholk | calrogman: But ASM is so low level, I'd be really suprised if it did not work |
| 23:26.03 | taime1 | anyone know why pidgin doesnt allow me to enable libnotify plugin? |
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| 23:26.24 | calrogman | Devilholk: Yeah, but keeping track of what's in the stack and the registers is a pain. I'm not used to needing to comment every single line. :-) |
| 23:26.48 | Devilholk | calrogman: Yeah, your mind runs out of RAM fast when doing low level coding |
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| 23:27.28 | Diopter | Hence the invention of abstraction hierarchies :P |
| 23:27.31 | calrogman | Devilholk: I'm still not entirely sure how the stack even works, so my mind runing out of RAM isn't the only thing I'm worried about. |
| 23:27.40 | Devilholk | hehe |
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| 23:28.19 | Devilholk | I finally get this thing to boot debian but ofcourse it is slower than anything I ever seen. |
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| 23:28.48 | calrogman | I think I've started getting the hang of pointer arithmetic though, which will help when I go back to C. Never understood it before. |
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| 23:30.24 | Diopter | calrogman: Pointers are easy in C if you understand a little ASM, or really the difference between a value and a pointer, where a pointer is also itself a value. |
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| 23:31.54 | calrogman | Diopter: The thing about pointers in C that got me is that prototypes ask for a char *foo, for example but what you have to pass them is &foo. That and the fact that *foo is referring to the value stored at &foo trips me up a lot. |
| 23:32.02 | Diopter | nods |
| 23:32.06 | ag4ve | where is the terminfo stuff located in debian? i have done a 'toe -a' and see a bunch of listings, i don't have a $TERMINFO variable, i have tons of terminal types though. i have nothing in /usr/share/terminfo |
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| 23:32.46 | ag4ve | ah, wait, i have nothing there on a new system i just installed, i do on a debian system i installed a while ago though... did i miss something? |
| 23:32.58 | Diopter | calrogman: It's tricky at first, but indirection is kind of a two-part process. Reference going in, dereference coming out. |
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| 23:33.28 | calrogman | Diopter: You can tell they confuse me because even my attempts at explaining why they're confusing are confusing. |
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| 23:34.38 | calrogman | Anyway, back to retroactively commenting spaghetti-asm... |
| 23:35.53 | abrotman | is there any other kind? :) |
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| 23:36.20 | calrogman | abrotman: There's the kind that's properly commented, i.e. the kind I don't write. :-) |
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| 23:38.23 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:41.13 | calrogman | Do I need to explicitly empty the stack before calling the exit syscall? |
| 23:42.12 | Devilholk | This is so weird. The installer wont find the iso image even though I can find it manually via ash |
| 23:42.41 | abrotman | with what? |
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| 23:45.18 | Devilholk | I'm in the debian installer |
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| 23:45.28 | Devilholk | I managed to manually mount the installer ISO |
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| 23:45.36 | Devilholk | But I dont know where to mount it to make the installer use it |
| 23:45.40 | scwizard | just today I seemed to have regressed to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/184440 |
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| 23:46.52 | Devilholk | Is there some special place I should mount the installer cd to make the installer continue? Or should I run something on the ISO? |
| 23:47.00 | scwizard | I was not effected by this, but after upgrading today I seem to be experiencing this bug |
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| 23:47.24 | Devilholk | There is an installation step called "Load installer components from an installer ISO" but that one will try to find the iso and fail it |
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| 23:49.39 | nsadmin | scwizard, what debian are you running? |
| 23:49.49 | scwizard | nsadmin, wheezy |
| 23:50.10 | nsadmin | which is still a moving target, albeit slower |
| 23:50.20 | calrogman | Hooray, segmentation faults for everybody! |
| 23:50.54 | taime1 | can anyone confirm that the latest version of pidgin-libnotify in the repos is version 0.14-8? |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | Devilholk: how did you prepare the image ? |
| 23:51.03 | taime1 | i only see 0.14-7 |
| 23:51.05 | abrotman | taime1: which repos ? |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin-libnotify |
| 23:51.17 | judd | Package: pidgin-libnotify on i386 -- lenny: 0.13-2; squeeze: 0.14-4; sid: 0.14-8; wheezy: 0.14-8 |
| 23:51.26 | taime1 | abrotman: i have all repos enabled |
| 23:51.28 | abrotman | seems like -8 to me! |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | taime1: there's a recipe for disaster :) |
| 23:51.57 | taime1 | abrotman: i dont understand why no matter what i do, i dont see the latest version |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | taime1: which architecture are you on? |
| 23:52.33 | abrotman | taime1: and/or your mirror hasn't synced yet |
| 23:52.35 | taime1 | abrotman: i have an amd |
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| 23:53.10 | abrotman | taime1: should be -8 |
| 23:53.13 | scwizard | nsadmin, yeah, its for testing and sometimes you encounter regressions during testing |
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| 23:53.44 | abrotman | taime1: you've done your aptitude update ? |
| 23:53.50 | taime1 | yes |
| 23:53.56 | taime1 | says my system is completely up to date |
| 23:54.12 | abrotman | taime1: which mirror are you using for wheezy? |
| 23:54.19 | taime1 | lemme check |
| 23:54.22 | nsadmin | it sounds like you already knew of the bug |
| 23:55.44 | taime1 | wheezy is testing right? |
| 23:56.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:56.50 | taime1 | i see the problem |
| 23:56.52 | taime1 | thanks |
| 23:57.02 | abrotman | okay then |
| 23:57.37 | docbop | I want to use Cobbler to build a rack of Debian servers, are there any pre-made or template kickstart files available? |
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| 23:58.15 | mirak | hi |
| 23:58.21 | abrotman | docbop: debian already supports PXE install, is that not enough ? |
| 23:58.23 | mirak | is there a way to make work df in a chroot ? |
| 23:58.27 | mirak | df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory |
| 23:58.40 | calrogman | mirak: Mount proc in the chroot. |
| 23:58.45 | abrotman | bind mount |
| 23:58.53 | mirak | i think it's mounted already |
| 23:59.13 | scwizard | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/395476 <- wow people are still experiencing this in 2012 ... |
| 23:59.16 | scwizard | I'm not crazy! |
| 23:59.26 | abrotman | you're depending on nvidia to fix it .. |
| 23:59.31 | calrogman | Are you sure you're not crazy? |
| 23:59.35 | docbop | abrotman: where can I find more about debian and PXE? |
| 23:59.46 | mirak | I use schroot |
