| 00:00.01 | Devilholk | abrotman: I followed the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 00:00.04 | mirak | cat /proc/partitions works |
| 00:00.04 | scwizard | abrotman, it's a regression though, it was working yesterday, then I upgraded and now it's broke |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | docbop: install guide |
| 00:00.20 | Devilholk | abrotman: THe instructions at 4.3.3. Then I copied mini.iso |
| 00:00.23 | mirak | obviously proc is mounted et binded with schroot |
| 00:00.27 | abrotman | Devilholk: i've only done it with the netinst |
| 00:00.35 | mirak | mtab is not present however |
| 00:00.39 | Devilholk | abrotman: It is the netinst iso I copied |
| 00:00.40 | mirak | /etc/mtab |
| 00:00.42 | scwizard | although I'm not sure what sort of thing I upgraded could ahve caused that |
| 00:00.47 | taime1 | abrotman: thank you |
| 00:00.48 | Devilholk | abrotman: I can manually mount it in the ash shell |
| 00:00.53 | abrotman | Devilholk: how did oyu copy it, did you follow the instrucdtoins verbatim ? |
| 00:00.57 | nsadmin | isn't mtab in /var/run? |
| 00:01.00 | abrotman | taime1: enjoy! |
| 00:01.01 | mirak | calrogman, it's mounted |
| 00:01.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: /etc/mtab IIRC |
| 00:01.25 | mirak | calrogman, cat /proc/partitions gives me the partitions. Also sys is mounted, and /dev |
| 00:01.37 | Devilholk | abrotman: I just found the issue >.< |
| 00:01.37 | nsadmin | abrotman, it's altered by the system tho, right? |
| 00:01.42 | nsadmin | and not a config file? |
| 00:01.52 | abrotman | sure |
| 00:01.55 | abrotman | Devilholk: good! |
| 00:01.55 | Devilholk | abrotman: The foot note 8 says "note that netboot/mini.iso is not useable for this" |
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| 00:02.07 | abrotman | Devilholk: netboot isn't the same as netinst |
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| 00:02.46 | docbop | abrotman: Thanks I'll check that out. |
| 00:03.14 | Devilholk | abrotman: True. I better make sure what iso I did in fact get. I have so many tabs in my browser open that I cant keep track of what I am doing anymore |
| 00:04.27 | Devilholk | abrotman: I was actually taking the netboot one from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 00:04.30 | mirak | cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab solves the problem |
| 00:04.51 | Devilholk | better find a really, small netinstall iso |
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| 00:05.09 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 00:05.38 | zmitya | I'm trying to debootstrapping a squeeze now, but it always fails :( |
| 00:06.00 | abrotman | with an error that says? |
| 00:06.02 | nsadmin | hmm, if /proc/mounts is the same file format as /etc/mtab, why should the latter exist? |
| 00:06.18 | zmitya | abrotman: it stops here always: |
| 00:06.21 | zmitya | http://pastebin.com/WVzsKYKq |
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| 00:06.49 | abrotman | that's vague |
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| 00:07.05 | calrogman | really vague, can you give us the entire output? |
| 00:07.07 | mirak | I wonder why grub-mkconfig can't see all my os, while dev sys and proc are mounted |
| 00:07.20 | mirak | calrogman, you where wrong |
| 00:07.24 | zmitya | here is the log: http://pastebin.com/qTxzt7QE |
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| 00:07.40 | piklu | gmboys |
| 00:07.50 | calrogman | mirak: Manners, mirak. Was I? How so? |
| 00:07.53 | zmitya | this was my command: debootstrap --verbose --variant=minbase --arch=amd64 --include=ifupdown,locales,libui-dialog-perl,dialog,dhcp3-client,netbase,net-tools,iproute,openssh-server "squeeze" "./test" http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
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| 00:08.08 | arthurdent | is there like a list of common groups that users should be in, in debian, or is it just users? |
| 00:08.15 | nsadmin | zmitya, consider not using pastebin.com... has ads, captas and crashes my broser |
| 00:08.20 | abrotman | arthurdent: plenty more than that |
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| 00:08.38 | arthurdent | shoot. well i just used usermod and i think i messed up my user |
| 00:08.39 | zmitya | nsadmin: sorry, what should I use ? |
| 00:08.48 | calrogman | arthurdent: netdev if you use wicd, video if you want to startx yourself, audio if you want to use alsamixer |
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| 00:08.57 | nsadmin | howbout gist.github.com or paste.debian.net |
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| 00:09.08 | mirak | calrogman, it's not enough to mount proc to have df working |
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| 00:09.17 | mirak | calrogman, it's necessary but not enough |
| 00:09.26 | calrogman | mirak: I got that. |
| 00:09.46 | calrogman | mirak: I figured you'd have /etc/mtab as a symlink to /proc/mounts anyway. |
| 00:09.48 | zmitya | nsadmin: here are the 2 pastes: http://paste.debian.net/165967/ |
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| 00:10.37 | nsadmin | zmitya, thanks |
| 00:10.46 | zmitya | http://paste.debian.net/165968/ |
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| 00:11.24 | mirak | calrogman, mmm, not bad. |
| 00:11.42 | mirak | calrogman, though I guess i will have to recreate it each time I boot in the other os |
| 00:11.54 | mirak | because it's not intented to be used always as a chroot |
| 00:12.46 | calrogman | mirak: Just symlink it then mirak, it'll always point to the relevant /proc/mounts, even after reboots. |
| 00:13.07 | calrogman | mirak: And atleast on Debian, symlinking mtab to mounts is the default. |
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| 00:15.54 | zmitya | so guys, does anybody else have problems debootstrapping a squeeze now ? could somebody guys please try ? |
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| 00:18.54 | mirak | calrogman, ok, but won't mount delete it each time ? |
| 00:19.12 | mirak | it mounts |
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| 00:19.45 | zmitya | it just workek on an other server :( |
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| 00:20.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have a bunch of packages in a folder that I am going to use for a local repository on my NAS drive. Its already in a proper pool. I did this with reprepro. Somehow I didnt get the packages or packages.gz file. Can reprepro generate a new one without having to rebuild the pool again? |
| 00:20.40 | calrogman | mirak: No, mounting and unmounting devices won't delete mtab or mounts. |
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| 00:23.33 | mirak | ok |
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| 00:24.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | NM I totally forgot about dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 00:25.13 | mirak | is there a way to boot a linux directly from a running linux ? |
| 00:25.45 | mirak | without rebooting and going trough grub |
| 00:25.51 | calrogman | mirak: kexec? |
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| 00:26.32 | mirak | i google |
| 00:28.04 | arthurdent | chroot maybe? |
| 00:28.19 | arthurdent | i'm not sure i understand what you're trying to do, though. |
| 00:28.30 | mirak | mmm then i could boot a linux net installer with that :-D |
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| 00:28.45 | arthurdent | or why |
| 00:28.53 | mirak | grub can boot a linux |
| 00:28.59 | mirak | why linux couldn't boot linux ? |
| 00:29.06 | mirak | since it's more evolved |
| 00:29.15 | calrogman | Becasue Grub is a boot loader, Linux is a kernel. |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | like openvz ? or lxc ? |
| 00:30.06 | arthurdent | mirak: why do you want to be able to do this? |
| 00:31.03 | mirak | seels it exists |
| 00:31.04 | mirak | http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-linux-bootloader.php |
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| 00:31.08 | mirak | but for arm |
| 00:32.03 | mirak | arthurdent, first the question is can it be done ? |
| 00:32.11 | mirak | i was wondering |
| 00:32.15 | mirak | and curius |
| 00:32.17 | mirak | curious |
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| 00:33.52 | mirak | arthurdent, anyway a good reason would be if you have multiboots |
| 00:34.26 | mirak | you would have an os always there, stable, that you don't touch |
| 00:34.34 | mirak | in case something is wrong |
| 00:34.46 | mirak | now we have also livecd or liveusb of course |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | did you look up kexec yet? |
| 00:34.58 | calrogman | Right, because you can't use the 30 seconds it takes for Debian to boot doing something involving stepping away from the keyboard. |
| 00:34.59 | mirak | but well, it would kind of an advanced busy box |
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| 00:35.17 | BoredOnIRC | hi |
| 00:35.19 | mirak | abrotman, no, i forgot, thanks to remind me X-D |
| 00:35.48 | mirak | calrogman, you mean like taking a shit ? |
| 00:36.07 | BoredOnIRC | why can't truecrypt encrypt a linux system drive like it can with windows? does this mean linux sucks? |
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| 00:36.16 | mirak | calrogman, i didn't understood what you mean lol, sotty |
| 00:36.17 | mirak | sorry |
| 00:36.29 | calrogman | mirak: Please, watch your language. |
| 00:36.32 | arthurdent | mirak: what's wrong with just using grub? |
| 00:36.48 | Isaac___ | How do I use wifi? Debian isn't showing an option for it |
| 00:36.55 | nsadmin | calrogman, there is not a language constraint here |
| 00:36.58 | arthurdent | you're going to have to shut down whatever "linux" you have running before you'll be able to start up "another linux" |
| 00:37.15 | mirak | arthurdent, what is wrong is that it can go wrong easily. |
| 00:37.24 | BoredOnIRC | also can someone help me installing flash for firefox in debian? |
| 00:37.36 | BoredOnIRC | I think the whole Iceweasel thing is dumb- real firefox FTW |
| 00:37.37 | arthurdent | i've been using grub for ~6 years without any problems at all. |
| 00:37.46 | calrogman | nsadmin: Apologies, I assumed that what with this being the closest to an official support channel Debian has, there were some rules. |
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| 00:38.05 | BoredOnIRC | calrogman: stop being a faggot |
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| 00:38.25 | abrotman | BoredOnIRC: we don't appreciate name-calling here, take a timeout |
| 00:38.34 | mirak | arthurdent, the problem is that when you upgrade your OS, especially upgrade kernel it will interact with grub. I had an issue once where grub modules where renamed, and my steup couldn't boot. |
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| 00:39.01 | Jayro | This may be due to server restrictions in place.". Would anyone know what server restrictions it is speaking of? Permissions seem fine. |
| 00:39.07 | Isaac___ | Debian won't show an option to use wifi, what's wrong? Please help, thanks |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | Jayro: context |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | Isaac___: what is your wifi device? |
| 00:39.28 | Jayro | abrotman, er. copy paste fail |
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| 00:39.35 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 00:39.41 | Jayro | Hello, I am trying to install ioncube on my server. I know this is generally not supported here. However, i am getting this error "The following ini file could not be found by the Wizard: /var/www/fcgi/blithost.com/php5/php.ini This may be due to server restrictions in place.". Would anyone know what server restrictions it is speaking of? Permissions seem fine. |
| 00:39.50 | mirak | arthurdent, the question is true when you have a linux multiboot. I guess you tried. and you need some bootstrap partition with only grub for exemple |
| 00:40.24 | mirak | but when going with more complex installs with mdadm+lvm, you can have issue |
| 00:40.24 | Isaac___ | It's built into my laptop. I forget the brand, where can I find it? abrotman |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | Isaac___: lspci -nn |
| 00:41.09 | nsadmin | calrogman, it's not the closest, and not the only. and, there are rules... while there is not a language constraint, there are rules against abuse |
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| 00:42.01 | calrogman | nsadmin: True enough, I forgot about the mailing lists, on account of not using them. |
| 00:42.29 | nsadmin | also there are other #debians, one at irc.debian.org |
| 00:42.39 | Isaac___ | 1 sec I'll boot into windows real quick to find it. abrotman |
| 00:42.39 | abrotman | and on efnet |
| 00:42.45 | nsadmin | aka irc.oftc.net |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | Isaac___: lspci can be run from linux |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | efnet is not OFTC, just to bve clear :) |
| 00:43.10 | Isaac___ | I don't think I saw it listed, though |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | seems to recall there is another #debian on dalnet |
| 00:43.13 | nsadmin | calrogman, these provided in service; hope they can be of use. |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | Isaac___: is it usb or pci ? |
| 00:43.20 | calrogman | Well thanks for setting me straight nsadmin, abrotman :-) |
| 00:44.49 | Isaac___ | It's built into the laptop, it's a 'Intel wifi link 5300 AGN' |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | !tell Isaac___ about iwlagn |
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| 00:47.02 | Isaac___ | Thanks, abrotman |
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| 00:57.08 | scwizard | I submitted my first bug report today u_u http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670682 |
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| 00:57.28 | scwizard | it'll probably never get fixed though, since it's too hardware oriented |
| 00:57.55 | BoredOnIRC | nsadmin: do you work for the nsa |
| 00:58.10 | nvz | BoredOnIRC: another way to read that would be ns admin |
| 00:58.24 | BoredOnIRC | or NSA-demon |
| 00:58.43 | nvz | yeah if you're seeing what you want to see |
| 00:59.20 | Jayro | Hello, I am trying to install ioncube on my server. I know this is generally not supported here. However, i am getting this error "The following ini file could not be found by the Wizard: /var/www/fcgi/blithost.com/php5/php.ini This may be due to server restrictions in place.". Would anyone know what server restrictions it is speaking of? Permissions seem fine. |
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| 00:59.31 | nvz | I stared at this stereogram earlier for quite awhile even after being told what the message was and how to see it, and still didnt.. heh.. but thats kind of pointless |
| 01:00.17 | BoredOnIRC | lol |
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| 01:00.59 | nsadmin | BoredOnIRC, sorry to disappoint you but no :) nsadmin is navi-serv admin, where naviserv is a web server designed from the start to be a multithreadded massively scalable web application server, also known as aolserver |
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| 01:01.20 | BoredOnIRC | i see |
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| 01:02.05 | nvz | nsadmin: oh and, saying aoladmin would just make us look down upon you.. good thinking. heh] |
| 01:02.56 | nsadmin | nsadmin is a username that's been used in openacs installations... more recently, a unix user is created for each service |
| 01:03.41 | nvz | seriously though if you see anything about love in this image i think you're just insane http://www.scientificpsychic.com/mind/eyepuzzle.gif |
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| 01:04.00 | nsadmin | that's serious? :) |
| 01:04.30 | nsadmin | and seeing love in something others don't is insane?! |
| 01:04.32 | nvz | the site said its suppose to have a hidden message all I see is pseudorandom noise |
| 01:04.36 | nsadmin | wow :) |
| 01:04.38 | BoredOnIRC | .gif |
| 01:04.45 | BoredOnIRC | when does the scary image jump out |
| 01:04.59 | nvz | they said look like 3inches above it or something.. but I dont see it |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic ... |
| 01:05.17 | BoredOnIRC | doesnt work on a laptop screen |
| 01:05.20 | drags | troll as HARD as you can, even in the face of failure |
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| 01:05.42 | Devilholk | Its a stereo 3d image |
| 01:05.46 | Devilholk | It just says LOVE |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:05.48 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 01:06.49 | arthurdent | how do i check backport versions in debian? I assume it should be something like apt-cache -t squeeze-backports policy <package> |
| 01:06.58 | arthurdent | but i'm not sure if it works |
| 01:07.20 | nvz | arthurdent: what package? |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | arthurdent: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 01:07.32 | arthurdent | that doesn't seem to show backport versions |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | arthurdent: it will show you all available |
| 01:07.47 | arthurdent | unless i just happen to be looking for packages that have no backport candidates |
| 01:07.51 | nvz | arthurdent: will only do that if you have a backport source configures in your sources.list |
| 01:08.01 | arthurdent | of course i do |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | arthurdent: that's possible, you can also use packages.debian.org/<pkgname> to check |
| 01:08.20 | nvz | arthurdent: judd can do that for you here as well, /msg judd versions foo |
| 01:09.13 | arthurdent | thanks |
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| 01:09.43 | dvs | no prob, two face! |
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| 01:10.02 | arthurdent | aha |
| 01:10.06 | nvz | who is this two face? |
| 01:10.49 | dvs | ah, wrong guy |
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| 01:10.59 | dvs | sorry |
| 01:11.20 | youlysses | Is that you BATMAN?! 0.o |
| 01:11.29 | BoredOnIRC | O_o |
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| 01:22.29 | calrogman | Right around now, Gentoo users in the UK are starting one last emerge before going to bed, bleary-eyed. |
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| 01:23.14 | calrogman | There's no better time for compiling that when you're unconcsious, after all. |
| 01:23.15 | Dulak | And if they are lucky it will be done when they wake up and they will have 0.0008% better performance than the debian compiled packages! |
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| 01:23.30 | Dulak | Go gentoo! |
| 01:24.00 | calrogman | They're less about performance and more about having only the features they want. USE flags are far more important to Gentoo than CFLAGS. |
| 01:25.05 | Dulak | Oh I ran gentoo when it was new, and they SAY it's not about performance but they brag worse than souped up ricer car owners. |
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| 01:25.13 | calrogman | And like Makefiles will only rebuild targets that are out of date, emerge will only recompile what needs recompiled if you change a USE flag. |
| 01:25.29 | calrogman | Actually, most of the ricers have left for Arch these days. :-) |
| 01:26.51 | arthurdent | is there a way to use judd to search for packages by keywords? |
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| 01:27.23 | dvs | arthurdent: apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 01:27.29 | prefixed | what services need to be turned on in linux in order to use the internet? |
| 01:27.40 | calrogman | And it could be worse, Dulak, it could be the "dependancy resolution is a governmen conspiracy to poison the water supply and break my OS" Slackers. |
| 01:27.56 | nsadmin | prefixed, you're here, right? |
| 01:27.59 | arthurdent | i meant specifically in judd, i know how to use apt-cache |
| 01:28.09 | prefixed | nsadmin on a local machine |
| 01:28.18 | prefixed | local, non-linux |
| 01:28.18 | nsadmin | if so... you're using the internet RIGHT NOW! |
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| 01:28.44 | nsadmin | ok, so what do you mean by 'use the internet'? |
| 01:29.00 | Dulak | calrogman: Hah! |
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| 01:29.05 | calrogman | I don't think we're using the internet to it's full potential. Interactive notepad and pictures of kittens are cool and all, but they're not exactly important... |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | arthurdent: no, use apt-cache |
| 01:29.45 | nsadmin | calrogman, well for that you need a purpose and a plan |
| 01:29.50 | prefixed | nsadmin I have a server which I am KVMed into at the moment. I am attempting to suck down some data with rsync, but in order to do so, I need to be able to ssh to it. What do I need to do to set up access for it? |
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| 01:30.17 | Dulak | prefixed: install openssh-server |
| 01:30.25 | prefixed | Dulak it's already on there |
| 01:30.31 | prefixed | it's started |
| 01:30.31 | calrogman | nsadmin: My plan involves starting that emerge I was talking about and turning in for the night. :-) |
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| 01:30.46 | calrogman | Right after I finish tweaking my USE flags...... |
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| 01:31.29 | Dulak | prefixed: can you ping between the machines? |
| 01:31.37 | prefixed | Dulak no |
| 01:32.09 | Dulak | prefixed: did you setup an ip or dhcp for one? |
| 01:33.00 | prefixed | Dulak this server's internet connection was fully functioning this morning (before it crashed). now I am in single-user mode. for the record, the IP is 72.26.193.254 |
| 01:33.42 | Dulak | prefixed: when you ifconfig can you see the ip on the interface? |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | prefixed: ifup the interface, bring up ssh |
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| 01:34.02 | prefixed | sec, the filesystem is in readonly mode |
| 01:34.39 | calrogman | Compiling xorg tonight, tomorrow night, I do either Gnome or Xfce. |
| 01:35.13 | prefixed | Dulak ifconfig does not return anything |
| 01:35.51 | calrogman | Of course, there's no need for any of that because you can have tmux, emacs and irssi compiled and installed in half an hour and once you've done that, you're sitting pretty. |
| 01:35.53 | prefixed | also, the networking service was not up either. |
| 01:36.00 | nsadmin | prefixed, howbout ifconfig -a |
| 01:36.02 | prefixed | what else do I need to start? |
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| 01:36.25 | nsadmin | yeah, it looks like it's not started |
| 01:36.49 | nsadmin | try /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 01:36.54 | prefixed | nsadmin / Dulak yeah, neither eth0 or eth1 are up |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | prefixed: you'll have to remount the filesystem rw, then brin gup the interface, then bring up ssh |
| 01:37.36 | prefixed | abrotman how would I go about bringing up the interface? |
| 01:37.39 | nsadmin | prefixed so ifconfig -a would show some paragraphs and names of paragraphs |
| 01:37.46 | nsadmin | what are the names? |
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| 01:37.56 | prefixed | abrotman I did just remount the filesystem |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | prefixed: ifup ,... i told you |
| 01:38.03 | prefixed | nsadmin eth2 eth3 lo |
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| 01:38.23 | prefixed | main:~# ifup eth0 |
| 01:38.24 | prefixed | ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 01:38.26 | nsadmin | so there is no eth0 or 1 |
| 01:38.39 | prefixed | but yeah, there are no eth0 or eth1s |
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| 01:39.36 | nsadmin | can you get /etc/network/interfaces out of the kvm interface (thru some form of cut/paste) and pastebin it? |
| 01:39.42 | prefixed | yeah |
| 01:39.47 | prefixed | I'm actually doign that now |
| 01:39.55 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 01:40.17 | prefixed | by the way, thank you all for you help |
| 01:40.20 | Diopter | I'm late to the party, but is prefixed using kvm/libvirt and having networking trouble? |
| 01:40.22 | prefixed | I have learned so much about linux today |
| 01:40.36 | Diopter | Because I do that for a living. Might be able to help |
| 01:40.38 | Dulak | prefixed: Trial by Fire is the only way to fly. |
| 01:40.41 | prefixed | Diopter yeah |
| 01:40.51 | prefixed | eth0 isn't going up |
| 01:40.56 | prefixed | I'm in single-user mode |
| 01:40.58 | Diopter | prefixed: In the VM? |
| 01:41.07 | prefixed | not a VM |
| 01:41.07 | prefixed | bare-metal server |
| 01:41.09 | Diopter | So on the host |
| 01:41.13 | prefixed | yessir |
| 01:41.38 | Diopter | If you type "ip l", what interfaces are there besides lo? |
| 01:41.46 | prefixed | Dulak / Diopter / nsadmin http://pastebin.com/LLeEa4C9 |
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| 01:41.49 | Diopter | They're numbered, should be easy to see |
| 01:42.05 | prefixed | Diopter eth2 and eth3 are there |
| 01:42.12 | prefixed | eth0 isn't for some reason |
| 01:42.17 | WormFood | I have discovered that if you create a partition bigger than the size of your hard drive, fdisk will shove it's head up it's ass, and refuse to work with it. It will not let you fix it in any way. I didn't do this, this is the way I got the drive. Linux handles it with no problems, but the tools do not (gparted also failed on this drive). |
| 01:42.18 | nsadmin | prefixed, so you have eth2 and 3... it must be that they were renamed by udev |
| 01:42.26 | Diopter | prefixed: It probably renumbered them |
| 01:42.30 | Diopter | nods |
| 01:42.51 | prefixed | here is my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/LLeEa4C9 |
| 01:43.04 | nsadmin | ok, so, |
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| 01:43.06 | Dulak | WormFood: yes once you hose the partition table like that the only way to fix it is to zero out the MBR and start fresh. |
| 01:43.33 | nsadmin | while you have eth0 in interfaces, you only have eth2 and 3 |
| 01:43.47 | nsadmin | as actual interfaces |
| 01:43.50 | WormFood | Dulak, well, I think it is a bit of a stretch to say erasing it is the "only way to fix it"....I could fix it manually with a hex editor. |
| 01:44.24 | prefixed | nsadmin so what does that *mean* |
| 01:44.41 | Diopter | prefixed: Means that your first physical ethernet interface is named eth2 or eth3. One of the two. |
| 01:44.43 | WormFood | or, I could fix fdisk to not screw up |
| 01:44.43 | Dulak | WormFood: yes but what is your time worth? If there was a real need to hexedit it, say to recover things, sure. |
| 01:44.51 | Diopter | prefixed: And your /etc/network/interfaces file won't work as it currently is. |
| 01:45.09 | prefixed | Diopter / nsadmin how can I rename my interface to eth0 then? |
| 01:45.11 | nsadmin | your interfaces file specify your interfaces and things like what IP they should have |
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| 01:45.49 | Diopter | prefixed: What kind of ethernet card(s) do you have? Did you setup any module aliases in /etc/modprobe.d or such? |
| 01:45.52 | WormFood | Dulak, you said "the only way to fix it is to zero out the MBR and start fresh"....now you're saying it can be done if you wanted to recover it. Pay attention to what you're saying. Usually there are more than one way to do things. |
| 01:46.11 | Dulak | WormFood: Right, so just don't talk to you anymore. Message recieved! |
| 01:46.18 | WormFood | Dulak, you should have said "the easiest way is to zero it out..." |
| 01:46.20 | prefixed | Diopter not sure. the server is in a DC, and I haven't ever seen it |
| 01:46.31 | nsadmin | prefixed, and your interface file refers to eth0, when (presently) you don't have eth0 |
| 01:46.38 | prefixed | nsadmin correct |
| 01:46.47 | WormFood | Dulak, I sure hope you don't fix computers for a living. |
| 01:46.54 | abrotman | prefixed: dmesg | grep eth .. which do you see? |
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| 01:46.59 | nsadmin | so.... somehow, something goofed :) |
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| 01:47.28 | WormFood | I am surprised that fdisk and gparted fail so hard with such a simple problem to fix. |
| 01:47.30 | Diopter | prefixed: lspci | grep -i net, should cover the two ways network controllers show up |
| 01:47.44 | Dulak | WormFood: Right, because I was not precise enough for a guy on irc means I could never fix things for a living. |
| 01:48.15 | WormFood | Dulak, you said one way (erasing it) was the only way to fix it, which is clearly wrong |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | put each other on /ignore please |
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| 01:48.35 | prefixed | Dulak / abrotman / Diopter / nsadmin http://pastebin.com/v4Awk5VY |
| 01:49.08 | Dulak | WormFood: And if you were new to linux as I thought from how you chose to overpartition your disk, hexediting would clearly be the way to help you. |
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| 01:49.24 | abrotman | prefixed: so there's your answer on which to bring up .. you can manaully config it, or fix udev |
| 01:49.28 | Diopter | prefixed: Cool. So you have an Intel E1000 and a RealTek 81xx. |
| 01:49.32 | Dulak | WormFood: I'm done. G'luck with your issue. |
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| 01:49.59 | Diopter | prefixed: Do you still get eth2/3 when you reboot? |
| 01:50.05 | prefixed | Diopter yes |
| 01:50.09 | WormFood | Dulak, you are such a retard. go back and read what I said. This is the way I got the drive. I did not partition it this way. Pay attention, like I said before. |
| 01:50.10 | nsadmin | abrotman, remove the generated udev rules and reboot? |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | prefixed: configure eth2 as you would eth0 .. bring up your ssh server, get your stuff |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | prefixed: you can try to fix udev if you prefer |
| 01:50.33 | Diopter | prefixed: If you "grep -ir alias /etc/mod*", do you get any uncommented "alias" lines? |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | prefixed: and that may be the easier method |
| 01:50.40 | nsadmin | let's get his preference now |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | prefixed: does the machine seem to run correctly other than the network ? |
| 01:51.07 | Diopter | nsadmin: Tossing the 70-persistent-net.rules is probably the right answer here |
| 01:51.09 | prefixed | abrotman other than some fs errors, yes |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | !tell prefixed about z70 |
| 01:51.59 | prefixed | Diopter yes, there are a bunch of uncommented ones |
| 01:52.20 | nsadmin | prefixed, would you like to: make sure your interfaces are named eth0 ahd 1? OR leave them as 2 and 3 and alter your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:52.24 | Diopter | prefixed: Unless they're like "alias e1000..." or "alias rtl81...", they don't matter. |
| 01:53.50 | prefixed | Diopter neither of those |
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| 01:54.06 | Diopter | Then I'm blaming the persistent net rules |
| 01:54.09 | prefixed | nsadmin which of those choices is "better" |
| 01:54.21 | nsadmin | neither; choice is yours |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | prefixed: fixing udev is probably better in the long run |
| 01:54.36 | prefixed | ok, let's go back to eth0 and eth1 |
| 01:55.09 | nsadmin | cool. this implies: fix the udev rules |
| 01:55.25 | nsadmin | which it looks like you're in the middle of already :) |
| 01:55.26 | prefixed | bear in mind that I may just take the data I need off this system and resintall |
| 01:55.37 | prefixed | I accidentally upgraded to wheezy yesterday |
| 01:55.41 | prefixed | from lenny |
| 01:55.42 | prefixed | ... |
| 01:55.44 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 01:55.50 | prefixed | like a moron |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | whoops |
| 01:56.01 | nsadmin | ok, let;s pause here |
| 01:56.04 | prefixed | yeah, I'll say |
| 01:56.17 | nsadmin | what dist do you want? |
| 01:56.23 | prefixed | stable |
| 01:56.26 | prefixed | so, squeeze |
| 01:56.38 | prefixed | but, this is a production server, so I need to get it up and running ASAP |
| 01:56.48 | prefixed | so I'll move back to stable in a few weeks time if possible |
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| 01:59.06 | youlysses | prefixed: Just messed up your sources.list, or? |
| 01:59.13 | prefixed | youlysses yes. |
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| 01:59.28 | nsadmin | maybe the best approach is to ask for an additional server, put squeeze on that, move data across, make sure everything works then swap IPs and return the old one |
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| 02:00.30 | nsadmin | or if this is actual hardware, you could debootstrap squeeze and move stuff around |
| 02:01.05 | prefixed | I need to back this data up as well |
| 02:01.14 | prefixed | my backup just so happened to fail last night |
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| 02:01.43 | prefixed | so I'd like to rsync the data back to a local drive asap |
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| 02:02.18 | prefixed | also, there is no 010_netinterfaces.rules in udev/rules.d/ |
| 02:02.37 | nsadmin | so now that we know what you want and when, we can go back to setting the interface names |
| 02:02.45 | prefixed | ok |
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| 02:05.40 | prefixed | nsadmin so, what now? |
| 02:05.58 | nsadmin | could you pastebin the 70 rule file |
| 02:06.00 | nsadmin | ? |
| 02:06.11 | prefixed | sec |
| 02:06.32 | nsadmin | lemme look at abrotman link |
| 02:06.39 | prefixed | nsadmin there are two of them |
| 02:07.00 | prefixed | oh, but you want net-rules, righT? |
| 02:07.23 | prefixed | OH! |
| 02:07.28 | prefixed | I see what I need to change |
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| 02:07.55 | prefixed | http://pastebin.com/2uLrEma7 |
| 02:07.57 | prefixed | nsadmin ^ |
| 02:08.13 | nsadmin | just to be clear, that's /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 02:08.21 | prefixed | eth2 and eth3 should be eth0 and eth1 respectively, correct? |
| 02:08.22 | prefixed | yes |
| 02:08.37 | nsadmin | I think so but hold on one sec |
| 02:09.16 | ongolaBoy | hi.. I was trying to launch node.js as a daemon with this https://github.com/nicokaiser/node-monit/raw/master/init.d/node-service but I got "[: 31: -eq: unexpected operator" and nothing occurs :( |
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| 02:09.40 | nsadmin | so it looks like you have -four- interfaces |
| 02:09.54 | nsadmin | look at the mac addresses |
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| 02:10.02 | prefixed | interesting |
| 02:10.10 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: the script's broken in a million ways. |
| 02:10.52 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: The particular reason for the error message you ask about is that the line |
| 02:10.54 | prefixed | nsadmin what should I do with them though? |
| 02:11.01 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: [ $UID -eq "0" ] && LOCA.. |
| 02:11.15 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: assumes the variable UID to be set. |
| 02:11.34 | prefixed | Diopter are you watchign this as well? |
| 02:11.41 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: It's a variable the bash shell automatically sets, but the script is run by sh, not bash, so it happens the variable is empty, |
| 02:11.43 | nsadmin | try this, with the parens: (ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0) |
| 02:12.20 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: and the lack of quotes (another error in the same line) of the expansion $UID makes it expand to an empty value, resulting in the [ command to be called as |
| 02:12.41 | prefixed | nsadmin http://pastebin.com/HjKJgNTb |
| 02:12.47 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: [ -eq 0 ], which is wrong syntax, writing that error message. |
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| 02:13.39 | nsadmin | ok, as a test, |
| 02:14.02 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: as a hack you can try starting it with bash instead, by changing the first line from "#! /bin/sh" to "#! /bin/bash" |
| 02:14.15 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: it's still broken and horrible, but you might not care if it pretends to work with that change. :) |
| 02:14.29 | nsadmin | edot /etc/network/interfaces and change wherever you see eth0 to eth2 |
| 02:14.36 | nsadmin | should be 2 occurances |
| 02:15.00 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:15.01 | prefixed | now what |
| 02:15.16 | nsadmin | ifup eth2 |
| 02:15.36 | ongolaBoy | Riviera: ok. Thank you for your advices. I think I will rather use a little script of my own |
| 02:16.00 | prefixed | nsadmin yeah, that did the trick |
| 02:16.22 | nsadmin | ok, you -could- leave things like that |
| 02:16.30 | prefixed | I suppose I will for the moment |
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| 02:17.00 | nsadmin | here's what I thought... was this whole system copied to another machine? |
| 02:17.10 | prefixed | nsadmin yes |
| 02:17.31 | Riviera | ongolaBoy: very well :) Try keeping it as simple and minimal as possible. |
| 02:17.41 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 02:18.13 | nsadmin | so the eth0 and eth1 in those rules files must have been for the older machine |
| 02:18.46 | prefixed | yeah |
| 02:18.48 | prefixed | must have been |
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| 02:19.33 | nsadmin | so you could also delete the first two rules and put the names from eth2 and 3 to eth0 and 1 |
| 02:19.48 | nsadmin | and put the interfaces file back, then reboot |
| 02:20.01 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:20.06 | nsadmin | or just leave it |
| 02:20.06 | prefixed | might as well do that, huh? |
| 02:20.49 | prefixed | hm |
| 02:20.50 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:20.56 | prefixed | so here's an interesting problem |
| 02:21.03 | prefixed | mysql wont come up |
| 02:21.06 | nsadmin | since you;re going to reinstall anyway, easiest to leave it |
| 02:21.11 | prefixed | yeah |
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| 02:21.46 | nsadmin | well you'd have to find out from logs what you can about why it's not starting |
| 02:22.03 | prefixed | yeah, neither mysql log has anything in it |
| 02:22.27 | prefixed | we'll have to get that that later though |
| 02:22.32 | prefixed | it's probably due to corruption |
| 02:22.33 | nsadmin | can you try /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 02:22.40 | nsadmin | and /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 02:23.10 | prefixed | yeah, it fails to come up |
| 02:23.22 | nsadmin | does it say something? |
| 02:23.27 | prefixed | nope |
| 02:23.44 | nsadmin | how do you know it failed? |
| 02:23.53 | prefixed | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 02:24.36 | nsadmin | wonderfully detailed message :) |
| 02:24.41 | prefixed | I know, right? |
| 02:25.22 | nsadmin | for that, could you try to get some assistance from #mysql? |
| 02:25.31 | prefixed | yeah, I'm goign to deal with that later |
| 02:25.39 | prefixed | for now, I need to get this backup going |
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| 02:34.07 | prefixed | is it possible to adduser in singleuser mode? |
| 02:34.25 | nsadmin | prefixed, this might take some work... but you might consider postgres rather than mysql |
| 02:34.37 | nsadmin | sure, should be no problem |
| 02:34.55 | prefixed | nsadmin adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
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| 02:35.22 | nsadmin | what are you looking to do? |
| 02:35.38 | prefixed | nevermind |
| 02:35.42 | nsadmin | if you're looking to add lots of users, |
| 02:35.46 | nsadmin | look into newusers |
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| 02:36.00 | Floyd42 | Does Debian have full-disk-encryption built into its installation process? |
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| 02:36.19 | nsadmin | you give it a text file that's in a specific format and sick newusers on it |
| 02:36.26 | anton01 | is it possible to connect a pipe to a program after you've exec'd it and not before? |
| 02:37.31 | nsadmin | anton01, I think it is possible by closing and reopening sockets... and, it's going to take you some work to learn the details (which I don't know) |
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| 02:38.48 | Poenikatu | Is it possible to convert bogomips into Hz? |
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| 02:39.53 | nsadmin | bogomips is a fake number |
| 02:39.55 | Corey | Poenikatu: Not really. :-) |
| 02:39.55 | anton01 | nsadmin: does the program continue to execute code after the line containing exec before the exec'd program has finished? |
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| 02:40.01 | nsadmin | not sure it has anything to do with anything |
| 02:40.18 | prefixed | ok, LET'S DO THIS! |
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| 02:41.04 | nsadmin | anton01, I'm given to understand an exec literally replaces a program on a process ID |
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| 02:44.36 | hjf | I'm trying to install Debian on a new machine (IBM x3200 M3) but I get this: |
| 02:44.38 | hjf | Apr 28 02:40:54 in-target: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20120128-13:42]/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-base_2.6.32-41_all.deb Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 02:45.08 | Floyd42 | It means that the downloaded file is corrupt |
| 02:45.27 | Floyd42 | If there isn't a md5 or sha checksum match, don't install it .. |
| 02:45.29 | anton01 | what im trying to do is exec a program and i dont want stdin being passed in with the arguments. but i want stdin to be passed in while the program is running. How would you do that? |
| 02:45.36 | hjf | Floyd42: can i make it use a network mirror? |
| 02:45.42 | Floyd42 | Sure, try a different mirror |
| 02:45.59 | hjf | Floyd42: i tried selecting a mirror but it keeps using the CD |
| 02:46.25 | Floyd42 | Try restarting the installation process |
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| 02:46.46 | Poenikatu | Corey: Well, it appears that inxi gets the clock speed wrong. dmesg says 3.10GHz and inxi says 1600MHz |
| 02:46.49 | Floyd42 | It sounds like you're using a network installation, right |
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| 02:47.06 | hjf | Floyd42: :( it's a remote system. i started the SSH install and locked the machine downstairs |
| 02:47.53 | Floyd42 | Hmm. I'm sure if you interrupt any portion of the installation process , you can quit and ask it to restart |
| 02:48.02 | Floyd42 | If you press "cancel" at some point .. |
| 02:48.41 | prefixed | so, what is wrong with this command? rsync -aenvz username@72.26.193.254:"/var/www/" "/cygdrive/o/backups" |
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| 02:51.21 | prefixed | nevermind, got it |
| 02:53.02 | prefixed | alright |
| 02:53.08 | prefixed | rsync ahoy! |
| 02:53.27 | prefixed | see yall in a few hours! thanks for all the help so far |
| 02:53.51 | Floyd42 | bye |
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| 02:57.22 | hjf | Apr 28 02:57:01 debootstrap: Setting up aptitude (0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1) ... |
| 02:57.23 | hjf | Apr 28 02:57:01 debootstrap: Segmentation fault |
| 02:57.48 | Diopter | hjf: Shouldn'ta oughta installed stuff! ;P |
| 02:59.34 | Floyd42 | hjf: are you installing from a cd or usb? |
| 03:00.01 | hjf | Floyd42: CD. this model of server gave me a few headaches before when using USB |
| 03:00.15 | hjf | it's all UEFI and whatnot. still sucks |
| 03:02.39 | hjf | I did umount /cdrom ...apparently that worked |
| 03:02.43 | hjf | it's fetching from network now |
| 03:03.22 | Floyd42 | cool |
| 03:03.41 | Floyd42 | i know what you mean. debian installation is freaking prehistoric and extremely annoying. |
| 03:04.19 | Floyd42 | i mean, if you look at the progress ubuntu and fedora have made in their installation procedures, debian is terrible |
| 03:04.37 | hjf | the worst part is, to save time i downloaded a debian CD installer (full) to save time when the server arrived |
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| 03:05.18 | Floyd42 | did you do a md5/sha check on the .iso? |
| 03:06.13 | hjf | it was a torrent... i thought torrents did that? |
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| 03:06.19 | hjf | also, i burned and verified |
| 03:06.33 | Floyd42 | that's not the same as checking the hash |
| 03:06.59 | Diopter | A torrent will make sure that you get what the uploader provided. Not that what they provided is what you think it is :P |
| 03:07.03 | Floyd42 | a hash is a set of unique identifiers that is associated with any file. the debian iso's have hashes which u can check upon downloading to make sure your download is not corrupt. |
| 03:07.16 | Floyd42 | or that no mitm has tampered with it. |
| 03:08.02 | Floyd42 | usually on linux, it can be done by opening terminal and typing "md5sum/shasum <filename>" |
| 03:08.05 | hjf | i just did. it matches |
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| 03:08.14 | hjf | ae35a53bf2f770eaea9fbe977fda4f69 |
| 03:08.19 | hjf | fastsum for windows :P |
| 03:08.33 | Floyd42 | lol, i have no idea if that's right or not but good that it matches |
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| 03:08.45 | hjf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/bt-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 03:08.50 | Floyd42 | why don't you use linux mint debian |
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| 03:09.02 | Floyd42 | offers all the eye candy of linux mint with debian's stability |
| 03:09.16 | hjf | it's a headless server |
| 03:09.33 | hjf | oh you mean for my desktop? cause i'm a hobby photographer and i need adobe lightroom |
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| 03:10.31 | Floyd42 | i'm pretty sure adobe lightroom will work on linux mint debian too |
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| 03:13.17 | Floyd42 | brb |
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| 03:19.28 | peterrooney | Could a mitm attack alter what someone sees on the md5 reference page? |
| 03:20.14 | peterrooney | is sometimes paranoid |
| 03:20.40 | trysten | greetings #debian! |
| 03:21.00 | trysten | peterrooney: of course! |
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| 03:22.11 | Floyd42 | i think it's possible, yeah |
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| 03:26.42 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: that's why they're signed with a GPG key |
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| 03:27.07 | peterrooney | That page is a good argument for https |
| 03:28.11 | Floyd42 | there's a useful extension developed by eff called https-everywhere |
| 03:28.24 | Floyd42 | enabled https on all websites that support it |
| 03:28.39 | trysten | i don't understand why browsers don't have a 'prefer https' checkbox somewhere |
| 03:28.42 | trysten | but i've never seen one.. |
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| 03:29.29 | Floyd42 | that's why the https-everywhere extension is so useful |
| 03:29.38 | hjf | trysten: cause most websites don't talk HTTPS. and it will be a waste of time waitiing for port 443 to timeout |
| 03:30.23 | trysten | concurrently started threads! if a response comes on 443, then cancel http request? |
| 03:30.45 | hjf | trysten: and you already sent your request to port 80 unencrypted! |
| 03:31.08 | hjf | GET /SUPER/SENSITIVE/DOCUMENT.HTML HTTP/1.1\n\n |
| 03:31.17 | hjf | MITM saw where it is |
| 03:32.04 | hjf | pretty much same reason why IPv6 is disabled in most domains and only enabled in a split-horizon DNS (whitelist) |
| 03:32.29 | trysten | but the MITM would have less information and wouldn't have the ability to modify the MD5 sums on the checkpage, right? |
| 03:32.43 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: ...and that is so freakishly complicated, I can't tell how to do it after five minutes of effort and research, and I am *not* inexperienced with debian. why not https instead? |
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| 03:33.34 | prefixed | why is upgrading the kernel a good idea? |
| 03:33.46 | trysten | peterrooney: i needed pictures to understand GPG as well. it's nothing to be ashamed of. however it is the industry standard in authentication |
| 03:34.04 | Floyd42 | hmm. i think mitm while downloading something and changing the md5 might be very difficult than on a regular https connection |
| 03:34.18 | hjf | trysten: yes, for that particular application HTTPS is fine. but think about this: you're browsing, say, Wikipedia, and your ISP can log every article you've been reading |
| 03:34.31 | hjf | peterrooney: HTTPS isn't free |
| 03:34.36 | hjf | it costs money |
| 03:34.46 | trysten | ?! |
| 03:34.58 | hjf | trusted certificates ain't free |
| 03:35.00 | trysten | i hope you are talking about the cost of getting your certs signed |
| 03:35.02 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: https doesn't really get you anything |
| 03:35.08 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: certs are known to have been compromised |
| 03:35.15 | hjf | trysten: yes |
| 03:35.26 | hjf | dondelelcaro: that's why there are EV certs now |
| 03:35.29 | Floyd42 | lol dondel. so you mean gmail, facebook https is worthless |
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| 03:35.42 | prefixed | why is upgrading the kernel a good idea? |
| 03:35.51 | Floyd42 | just because one or two companies got their certificates revoked, doesn't mean all of them are bad |
| 03:35.54 | hjf | prefixed: why not |
| 03:36.05 | Floyd42 | better hardware support built into the kernel etc |
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| 03:36.35 | dondelelcaro | Floyd42: I'm talking about CAs being compromised, actually. But regardless, checking a GPG signature is pretty trivial |
| 03:37.16 | prefixed | why wouldn't I want to upgrade the kernel? |
| 03:37.23 | Floyd42 | if you really want proper security, create your own pgp key and use that to communicate via email |
| 03:37.44 | hjf | prefixed: cause things can go wrong, and if the upgrade botches your system 2000km away, you're screwed |
| 03:37.47 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: if it's so trivial, tell me why after saving both webpages, "gpg --verify MD5SUMS.sign MD5SUMS" results in error message? |
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| 03:38.27 | trysten | i'm in favor of encrypting our traffic because the MITM will always be there: it's your isp. the more we encrypt it the more work it is to snoop on us. |
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| 03:39.07 | craigevil | opendns + dnscrypt, dnssec |
| 03:39.13 | trysten | damn |
| 03:39.14 | prefixed | is there wany way to tell how long it will be befor an rsync procedure is finished? |
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| 03:39.31 | trysten | !rtfm prefixed |
| 03:39.32 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: specifically, "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" and neither page says anything about where to get the public key |
| 03:39.32 | dpkg | gives prefixed a paperback edition of the fantastic info file and directs prefixed to contemplate it fully. |
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| 03:40.23 | trysten | !give peterrooney rsync --progress |
| 03:40.23 | T1mm1_ | gives peterrooney a whale |
| 03:40.23 | dpkg | gives peterrooney rsync --progress |
| 03:40.49 | peterrooney | I have no use for a white whale. |
| 03:40.53 | hjf | peterrooney: have you installed Debian's public key? |
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| 03:40.58 | trysten | who said it was white. |
| 03:41.12 | hjf | there is a directory of keys out there. and debian has a package of their key I think |
| 03:41.14 | peterrooney | hjf, no, how do I, and when was the debian website going to tell me to do that? |
| 03:41.26 | prefixed | trysten nope. not working |
| 03:41.50 | prefixed | also, I need to know the status of an in-progress transfer |
| 03:41.55 | trysten | prefixed: --progress will give you an estimate.. |
| 03:41.57 | trysten | ooo |
| 03:42.13 | peterrooney | thinks the debian team occasionally makes unreasonable assumptions about what their users know |
| 03:42.39 | trysten | thinks peterrooney is silly |
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| 03:42.54 | prefixed | trysten ? |
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| 03:43.10 | trysten | prefixed: i'm looking. does not look possible right now |
| 03:43.13 | Floyd42 | prefixed, you mean like a download? |
| 03:43.22 | trysten | prefixed: unless you are using dd in there somewhere.. |
| 03:43.25 | Floyd42 | or the debian install progress? |
| 03:43.26 | prefixed | Floyd42 sure |
| 03:43.46 | hjf | peterrooney: the thing is, you don't know shit about crypto :P |
| 03:43.54 | Floyd42 | i remember that the debian install progress mentions something like (500 out of 1024 files downloaded) |
| 03:43.54 | prefixed | I mean I am currently using rsync to transfer files, and I need to know how far along said trasfer is |
| 03:43.55 | peterrooney | hjf: exactly. |
| 03:43.58 | hjf | that's your problem, not the debian team's |
| 03:44.07 | trysten | prefixed: if you've already started the tranfer, showing it's progress will be very difficult |
| 03:44.15 | Floyd42 | hmm i haven't used rsync. |
| 03:44.21 | prefixed | trysten but not impossible? |
| 03:44.38 | Floyd42 | but most download managers show a progress bar of some sort |
| 03:44.39 | trysten | prefixed: you'd need to modify rsyncs memory and risk stopping the whole tranfer |
| 03:44.45 | prefixed | oh |
| 03:44.47 | trysten | Floyd42: rsync --progress |
| 03:44.50 | prefixed | well, nevermind then |
| 03:44.50 | hjf | peterrooney: debian actually uses GPG behind scenes to check stuff |
| 03:45.13 | Floyd42 | thanks trysten. there you go prefixed |
| 03:45.13 | hjf | and those files are for power users, to call them something |
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| 03:45.47 | hjf | Average Joe doesn't usually need to check the signature. very fat chance of someone setting a MITM debian site |
| 03:45.53 | peterrooney | chanel: so, here's my question. How do I use gpg to verify that the page of MD5s of the CD images on the website is what it says it is? |
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| 03:46.13 | Floyd42 | peter, open terminal. type "md5sum <filename>" |
| 03:46.21 | Floyd42 | compare with the one on website |
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| 03:46.59 | trysten | hjf: i've always wanted to realtime MITM a wireless AP |
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| 03:47.08 | peterrooney | Floyd42: we've already covered why that won't work if there's a MITM attack - the attacker can put whatever info they want on the supposed page of MD5s |
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| 03:47.36 | Devden | !list |
| 03:47.37 | dpkg | devden: VATTENE VIA! |
| 03:47.40 | Rusty1 | a periodic df on the receiving end? , prefixed . roughly |
| 03:47.46 | Feye | Hi all, is there a Debian version which is easy installable without any graphic environment ? I tried this with the Debian stable and run into a depedencies hell ! |
| 03:47.52 | prefixed | Rusty1 just did that actually |
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| 03:48.02 | prefixed | looks like I'm about a 9th of the way there |
| 03:48.03 | Floyd42 | hmm i can't think of a good argument against that , peter |
| 03:48.06 | prefixed | this is going to take all night |
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| 03:48.30 | Malf | peterrooney: Right and it seems like, per http://www.debian.org/CD/verify, you need to download the Debian GPG Keyring |
| 03:48.40 | Malf | if you want to verify the signatures on the md5s |
| 03:48.45 | hjf | peterrooney: first you need Debian's key, it sits at keyring.debian.org |
| 03:48.51 | Floyd42 | but i'm sure that someone would notice if the cd images have been accessed by an unauthorized person |
| 03:49.02 | Floyd42 | and would shut down everything and issue a warning |
| 03:49.07 | hjf | peterrooney: gpg: Signature made Sun Jan 29 08:57:11 2012 ART using RSA key ID 6294BE9B |
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| 03:49.16 | Floyd42 | that's the advantage with open source over something like mac or windows |
| 03:49.35 | hjf | so you do this |
| 03:49.37 | Floyd42 | where it takes weeks/months for the apple or msft engineers to check and rectify |
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| 03:50.04 | hjf | gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 6294BE9B |
| 03:50.12 | hjf | and then |
| 03:50.18 | hjf | gpg --verify MD5SUMS.sign MD5SUMS |
| 03:50.27 | trysten | bows farewell |
| 03:50.45 | hjf | and then back to square one: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! |
| 03:51.33 | hjf | so your only hope is to go into a debian IRC channel, mailing list, or physically reach the person in charge of debian-cd@lists.debian.org |
| 03:51.46 | hjf | and you have this information: |
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| 03:51.47 | hjf | Primary key fingerprint: DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B |
| 03:51.56 | hjf | so you ask if that's the right fingerprint |
| 03:52.06 | hjf | peterrooney: capisce? |
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| 03:52.40 | peterrooney | hjf: I see, but I have no idea how I would have learned all that. |
| 03:52.51 | hjf | peterrooney: by RTFM |
| 03:53.18 | hjf | I'm far from being an expert on cryptosystems and PKI |
| 03:54.15 | hjf | but that's pretty much standard. so this should help you understand a bit more when you read your HTTPS site's SSL cert, or your SSH connection host key fingerprint |
| 03:54.40 | peterrooney | hjf: possibly. reading the 15,000 word manual would not have told me what host to import from. |
| 03:54.43 | Malf | You would've learned it exactly the way you did |
| 03:54.44 | Malf | by asking |
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| 03:54.54 | peterrooney | hjf: call me impatient |
| 03:54.58 | hjf | the warning it gives it's because the key was generated by debian "ad hoc" |
| 03:55.20 | hjf | an HTTPS cerificate comes from a CA, and your browser has a list of trusted CAs |
| 03:55.42 | hjf | this key didn't come from a CA |
| 03:55.47 | peterrooney | this has been a very informative half hour. |
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| 03:56.08 | hjf | peterrooney: PK crypto is a very impressive subject. you should look up on it |
| 03:56.27 | lin__ | hi i am getting build errors in lenny, can anyone tell what the problem might be ? |
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| 03:56.36 | lin__ | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.." make[5]: *** [/usr/local/src/freeswitch/libs/ldns/Makefile] Error 1 |
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| 03:56.48 | hjf | lin__: look at the channel topic |
| 03:56.52 | ectospasm | hjf: typically your OS has the list of CAs, not the browser. This is so the individual browsers don't have to maintain their own list. Especially useful when a CA cert is revoked. |
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| 03:57.11 | ectospasm | ...at least in Linux, I've found. |
| 03:57.27 | lin__ | anyone know any free cloud services other than amazon ? |
| 03:57.50 | hjf | ectospasm: Firefox doesn't care for Windows' list of CAs :) I installed my own CA key on Windows yesterday. IE accepted certs from it, but firefox didn't |
| 03:58.06 | ectospasm | I don't know of any free cloud services. Unless you mean SaaS, like Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, Google Docs, etc. |
| 03:58.34 | gasull | I have Gnash and Lightspark installed, but Google Finance and Mint.com show a gray rectangle instead of the flash. what package should I install? |
| 03:58.36 | ectospasm | hjf: yeah, I don't deal much with Windows. |
| 03:58.55 | ectospasm | gasull: are you averse to nonfree software? |
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| 03:58.59 | Diopter | lin__: Amazon isn't a free cloud service, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. |
| 03:59.01 | hjf | peterrooney: i send you my public key in any unsafe channel, and i can send you signed stuff you can check against my sign (only I can sign stuff). then you can use my key to encrypt stuff, which only I should be able to decrypt |
| 03:59.37 | hjf | ectospasm: honestly i prefer the browser to handle keys on its own. I dont want to wait for MS bureaucracy in such sensitive issues |
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| 03:59.55 | Floyd42 | hmm. so that means anyone can send you a message with the public key but only you can decrypt it with your private key, riht? |
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| 04:00.00 | ectospasm | hjf: yes, but in DEBIAN the list is fairly well maintained. |
| 04:00.11 | rainfyre | Floyd42: that's exactly right |
| 04:00.12 | gasull | ectospasm: no, I prefer free software though. |
| 04:00.26 | hjf | ectospasm: yes, also in Freebsd fwiw |
| 04:00.34 | karlpinc | peterrooney: One place you can generally always get keys from are the public key servers (see wikipedia). You can decide how trusted the key is based on who signed it. Eventually this can trace back to someone who's key you know, or you can trust that the well known people have not, say, _all_ had their website hacked and their fingerprints subsituted. |
| 04:00.36 | Floyd42 | hmm isn't there the risk of getting spam though? |
| 04:00.47 | ectospasm | gasull: my suggestion is to install flashplugin-nonfree, then. |
| 04:00.56 | gasull | ectospasm: thanks |
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| 04:01.14 | hjf | Floyd42: yes. a public key is a padlock, a private key is the key. i send everyone padlocks so anyone who wants to send me stuff can put it in a box and use my padlock, only I have the key |
| 04:01.25 | karlpinc | hjf, peterrooney: But general discussion of public key is offtopic for support. Use #debian-offtopic. |
| 04:01.45 | karlpinc | hjf: (That's exactly how I think of it too.) |
| 04:02.11 | Floyd42 | is there an option to do full-disk-encryption on debian? |
| 04:02.16 | Floyd42 | during installation? |
| 04:02.18 | karlpinc | !luks |
| 04:02.18 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>. |
| 04:02.30 | karlpinc | Floyd42: The installer will ask, at least in expert mode. |
| 04:02.31 | hjf | Floyd42: ...yes... it's right there on the installer |
| 04:02.39 | prefixed | what is the biggest rsync you've ever executed |
| 04:02.50 | Floyd42 | oh ok cool. is there a gui in the expert mode? |
| 04:03.00 | ectospasm | PKI could be the other way around. The padlocks could be your private key, and the public key unlocks it, proving it's you who sent it. |
| 04:03.04 | hjf | prefixed: 850GB, 1.2 million files. but that's offtopic for this channel... |
| 04:03.16 | prefixed | hjf I love you |
| 04:03.27 | karlpinc | Floyd42: Dunno. I just don't get the difference between using the arrow (or tab etc.) keys and using the mouse. |
| 04:03.28 | hjf | prefixed: there is #rsync on this server btw |
| 04:03.31 | lin__ | anyone know if there are channels here on cloud services ? |
| 04:04.23 | gasull | ectospasm: does it make sense to keep gnash and Lightspark in my system after installing flashplugin-nonfree? Is gnash used for anything if flashplugin-nonfree is installed? |
| 04:04.28 | nsadmin | lin__, /msg alis help |
| 04:04.29 | hjf | lin__: try on the opensolaris/illumos/etc channels, they are backed by Joyent and they are cloud providers (whatever the hell that means) |
| 04:04.30 | Floyd42 | hmm it makes no difference for experts but i'm still a bit of a n00b. i tried installing arch and could not get past the disk partioning screen. that's why i prefer a gui for installations :) |
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| 04:05.10 | ectospasm | gasull: good question, I dont' know. I would imagine flashplugin-nonfree would override gnash |
| 04:05.29 | hjf | ectospasm: *shoulf |
| 04:05.31 | hjf | lol |
| 04:05.32 | hjf | should |
| 04:05.45 | karlpinc | Floyd42: Try it. (Anyway, expert mode will always give you the same options as "normal mode", it just adds some additional ones.) |
| 04:05.50 | ectospasm | the dependency handlers in apt should prompt you to remove gnash if there would be adverse consequences |
| 04:06.05 | hjf | karlpinc: ahhhhh expert mode to a newb? that's mean dude |
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| 04:06.21 | hjf | Floyd42: I suggest VirtualBox |
| 04:06.22 | Floyd42 | yeah, i must. the last time i tried debian, it wasn't recognizing my usb sound card. |
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| 04:06.31 | karlpinc | hjf: He wants to know if there's a gui; he can look. :) |
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| 04:07.03 | karlpinc | Floyd42: I suggest using a 2nd disk drive. They're cheap. |
| 04:07.20 | Floyd42 | that's the only thing preventing me from using debian .. my inbuilt laptop sound card isn't working and i'm forced to use a usb sound card. |
| 04:07.22 | ectospasm | I think expert mode does have a GUI, given the appropriate install disc. Of course, I eschew the GUI for installation |
| 04:07.25 | craigevil | gasull, you can keep gnash and lightspark installed, disable them under Plugins on Iceweasel or Chromium |
| 04:07.29 | Diopter | lin__: I work for a cloud provider, on deploying cloud platforms. I asked you about your question already :P |
| 04:07.50 | karlpinc | Floyd42: If you give us the pciid we might be able to help. Boot from the install cd, or another live cd to get it. |
| 04:07.53 | hjf | what about chrome ? it includes its own flash player |
| 04:07.58 | karlpinc | Floyd42: (Unless you can get it otherwise.) |
| 04:08.04 | karlpinc | !tell Floyd42 about pciid |
| 04:08.10 | hjf | also, it's the only way to get flash on linux now |
| 04:08.20 | Floyd42 | hmm how do i find a pciid? |
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| 04:08.25 | lin__ | Diopter: for the least amount of servers they do 1 yr free |
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| 04:08.32 | karlpinc | Floyd42: Did you see the bot's private message? |
| 04:08.36 | Floyd42 | i saw a post on debian forum which said to edit the soundprobe.conf file or something similar .. |
| 04:08.41 | craigevil | same just disable them in plugins on Chrome |
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| 04:08.50 | AeonImperium | what cipher of encryption does debian testing 64 use on full disk encryption? |
| 04:08.57 | torpid | Floyd42, lspci ? |
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| 04:09.12 | karlpinc | AeonImperium: I think you can choose what you like. "man cryptsetup" |
| 04:09.16 | nsadmin | well man lspci |
| 04:09.20 | Diopter | lin__: I take it you're talking about http://aws.amazon.com/free/ |
| 04:09.26 | hjf | AeonImperium: by default everyone does AES i think |
| 04:09.43 | AeonImperium | hjf aes 256? |
| 04:09.44 | gasull | ectospasm, craigevil: thanks. I guess I'll leave gnash because it came already installed, but I'll remove lightspark |
| 04:09.52 | AeonImperium | karlpinc i already started the install haha |
| 04:09.53 | Floyd42 | yes i did |
| 04:09.55 | Floyd42 | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03) |
| 04:10.04 | Floyd42 | that's the inbuilt audio card specs |
| 04:10.17 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:284b] |
| 04:10.18 | judd | [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 04:10.20 | karlpinc | AeonImperium: The default is aes-cbc- essiv:sha256 |
| 04:10.43 | AeonImperium | karlpinc thanks |
| 04:10.45 | craigevil | Floyd42, lsusb |
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| 04:11.00 | karlpinc | Floyd42: So, it should work. It might need non-free firmware, possibly. |
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| 04:11.04 | Floyd42 | ok gotcha. Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0d8c:0008 C-Media Electronics, Inc. |
| 04:11.14 | Floyd42 | c-media external usb sound card |
| 04:11.21 | hjf | Floyd42: c-media...we meet again |
| 04:11.38 | Floyd42 | thing is, it works fine on scientific linux, fedora, ubuntu, mint etc |
| 04:11.41 | Floyd42 | except debian |
| 04:11.45 | lin_ | i didn't get that, can you post hte link again ? |
| 04:11.52 | Floyd42 | under "sound devices" , it doesn't show it at all |
| 04:12.06 | Diopter | lin_: I just figured you were talking about http://aws.amazon.com/free |
| 04:12.07 | karlpinc | AeonImperium: At least that's the cryptsetup default. To check for sure see the installer manual. It might say, if you get a choice. |
| 04:12.07 | Floyd42 | even if i add it under modprobe (don't remember the exact filename) .. it doesnt work |
| 04:12.20 | karlpinc | Floyd42: Definately non-free firmware then. |
| 04:12.33 | karlpinc | Floyd42: (For some value of "definately". ;-) |
| 04:12.39 | Floyd42 | hjf: you have experience with c media? |
| 04:12.45 | karlpinc | !tell Floyd42 about firmware |
| 04:12.54 | hjf | Floyd42: i know it's terrible but it is what it is |
| 04:12.58 | AeonImperium | karlpinc im sure thats the default one they use, i'll check the manual, its not a big deal, as long as its 256 bit |
| 04:13.11 | Floyd42 | karlpinc: but how does it work automatically on fedora? because fedora is pretty strong on free software right |
| 04:13.23 | hjf | AeonImperium: why do you specifically want it to be 256 bit btw? |
| 04:13.37 | karlpinc | Floyd42: Not as strong as debian. They don't care about firmware. |
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| 04:14.06 | AeonImperium | hjf minimum 256 bit is less suseptible to bruteforce |
| 04:14.07 | karlpinc | Floyd42: But, I'm not good with sound and it could easily be something else. |
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| 04:14.14 | AeonImperium | susceptible* |
| 04:14.22 | Floyd42 | oh i see. how do i install custom non-free firmware for this sound card on debian? |
| 04:14.29 | craigevil | Floyd42, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69392 |
| 04:14.36 | Floyd42 | the c-media website says that it automatically installs when u plug it int |
| 04:14.38 | lin_ | Diopter: which cloud company do you work for ? |
| 04:14.40 | hjf | AeonImperium: i knew you were going to say that. but do you have any remote idea of how big 2^128 is? |
| 04:14.50 | Diopter | lin_: Rackspace |
| 04:15.02 | lin_ | Diopter: cool |
| 04:15.07 | AeonImperium | hjf rather large, but if its available might as well use it |
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| 04:15.38 | lin_ | Diopter: i have a question : if i want to use truecrypt full disk encrhyption (including the kernel), I have to provide a password during booting (boot loader), is that possible on rackspace ? |
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| 04:15.43 | AeonImperium | hjf plus with the recent research being done into quant computing im sure they'll eventually be able to brute force even cascading ciphers at 256 |
| 04:16.08 | lin_ | Diopter: or does rackspace only provide root acess via ssh ? If so, is there a way to do truecrypt on everything other than the kernel ? |
| 04:16.26 | karlpinc | lin_: You provide a password in the initramfs. There's options for building dropbear into that and supplying the password via ssh. |
| 04:16.38 | Diopter | lin_: If you log into the console for the instance using the dashboard, you should be able to type into the truecrypt loader. |
| 04:16.38 | craigevil | Floyd42, also take a look at http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/02/how-to-set-c-media-usb-71-channel-sound.html |
| 04:16.42 | hjf | AeonImperium: rather? imagine a ball of sand size of the planet earth. 2^128 is the numbers of grains of sand in 300 balls that size :) |
| 04:16.50 | craigevil | looks like it is just a matter of editing a file or two |
| 04:16.52 | lin_ | Diopter: so supplying password via ssh befor emy VM boots ? |
| 04:16.54 | Floyd42 | it's a bit of a hassle. i mean, i think it worked once but upon restart, it stopped working. bit frustrating |
| 04:16.58 | Diopter | lin_: But I recommend something more like karlpinc's suggestion |
| 04:17.16 | lin_ | Diopter: but then can't rackspace see my password ? |
| 04:17.26 | hjf | AeonImperium: also, quantum computing is far from being real for now. not saying you shouldn't go AES256, just pointing out it's not insecure (so far) |
| 04:17.28 | karlpinc | Floyd42: My limited searching does not reveal non-free firmware for your on-board card. Perhaps you need a newer kernel. Get one from backports.debian.org (read the faq there) and see if that fixes it. |
| 04:17.31 | lin_ | Diopter: how can 100% surely keep my data encrypted and safe from rackspace ? |
| 04:17.41 | karlpinc | !tell Floyd42 about overview |
| 04:17.43 | craigevil | Floyd42, the forum thread covers editing the right file so it gets used at boot rather than the onboard |
| 04:17.49 | karlpinc | Floyd42: ^^ for handy reference. |
| 04:17.54 | Floyd42 | craigevil: thanks, i did exactly that! it worked when i restarted my system once. upon the next restart, it stopped working :( |
| 04:17.55 | Diopter | lin_: That's probably not going to be easy to do at any cloud-hosting provider that uses virtualization. |
| 04:18.10 | hjf | Floyd42: c-media and stuff like that you have to pray and hope it works out of the box. if it doesn't you're usually out of luck |
| 04:18.24 | Floyd42 | hmm |
| 04:18.31 | AeonImperium | hjf oh i defintiely agree 128 is fine, most ssl uses 128 still, and in reality, if someone was to steal this laptop, even a simple password would prevent data theft since the vast majority of people dont even know how to use a boot disk |
| 04:18.36 | lin_ | Diopter: what are my options, even if its not easy |
| 04:18.37 | karlpinc | Floyd42: Often a newer kernel helps make newer hardware work. |
| 04:18.38 | Floyd42 | i tried linux mint debian. it worked on that. |
| 04:18.40 | Diopter | lin_: You'd do better to go with a bare-metal system if you want to guarantee such things. |
| 04:19.11 | Floyd42 | karlpinc: but the problem with lmde is it doesn't recognize my dual core cpu. |
| 04:19.23 | Floyd42 | it only uses one core. |
| 04:19.26 | lin_ | Diopter: i know but if i want to use the cloud only, what's my closest (even if not 100% secure) option ? |
| 04:19.30 | craigevil | Floyd42, install Squeeze then install a newer kernel from backports |
| 04:19.35 | lin_ | karlpinc: any suggestions ? |
| 04:19.57 | Floyd42 | craigevil: thanks, i will try that on a vm tomorrow |
| 04:19.58 | karlpinc | lin_: Try making it work. :-\ |
| 04:20.01 | Diopter | lin_: I'd suggest not doing whole-disk encryption, and just encrypt a partition/directory you care about, so you can enter your passwords yourself. |
| 04:20.23 | Diopter | lin_: You'll avoid the performance penalty of whole-disk without losing the benefit of encrypting sensitive information |
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| 04:21.40 | lin_ | Diopter: performance is non-issue to me |
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| 04:21.49 | hjf | Diopter: depends on the CPU. My core i5 2400 does AES at 2.4GB/s |
| 04:21.59 | karlpinc | lin_: You need the cloud to be virtual machine-like, not vps-like. It's a matter of reading their docs, I suppose. In other words, your own kernel must run. |
| 04:22.12 | guk | 700MHz arm |
| 04:22.18 | guk | you could prolly run xbmc on those things but SD only |
| 04:22.27 | Diopter | hjf: See, you'd think that would be awesome. That, for instance, using LUKS on an SSD, you wouldn't run into a performance issue |
| 04:22.34 | karlpinc | Diopter: Yeah, generally cpu these days is _so_ must faster than disk that you don't worry about encryption overhead. YMMV. |
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| 04:22.45 | lin_ | karlpinc: wow i didn't know vps was different from VM-like |
| 04:22.52 | Diopter | hjf: That's why I tried AES on my quad i7, with a SATA III SSD that clocks at 600MB/s sustained. And the overhead could barely make 150MB/s :/ |
| 04:23.01 | Diopter | karlpinc: See above |
| 04:23.03 | lin_ | karlpinc: do you know who provides VM like service ? amazon's is VM like ? |
| 04:23.15 | karlpinc | lin_: Dunno. |
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| 04:23.20 | karlpinc | Diopter: The ssd? |
| 04:23.23 | lin_ | Diopter: i just need about 400 kbps |
| 04:23.30 | hjf | Diopter: try on windows |
| 04:23.35 | Diopter | karlpinc: OWC Mercury Electra Pro |
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| 04:24.27 | Diopter | lin_: AWS is virtualized, yes. So is Rackspace, both public (Xen) and private (KVM) cloud products |
| 04:24.32 | karlpinc | Diopter: I'm not sure it's threaded, so you only get to use one core. But that's a guess. |
| 04:24.39 | Diopter | karlpinc: Probably not. |
| 04:24.55 | hjf | Diopter: http://i.imgur.com/ADzRo.png that's ram, sure, but I don't have an SSD to test |
| 04:25.08 | lin_ | Diopter: cool, so with both, if i want to use truecrypt, i have to change the kernel to be able to decrypt the rest of the system drive ? |
| 04:25.24 | lin_ | Diopter: karlpinc: 1 core is enough forme ! |
| 04:25.26 | karlpinc | Diopter: Then again, there's lots of hardware accelleration for encryption. |
| 04:25.49 | Diopter | lin_: The biggest constraint you'll run into is whether or not you have console access through the hypervisor to interact with the boot loader |
| 04:25.53 | karlpinc | lin_: No, it's done in the initramfs. You just need to have an uncrypted /boot/. |
| 04:25.55 | Diopter | lin_: Most cloud providers try to prevent that. |
| 04:26.13 | Diopter | lin_: If you just stuff it into the initrd or bootloader line, no problem. |
| 04:26.57 | lin_ | can you guys give me your email if you don't mind ? in case I have any questions ? |
| 04:27.11 | Diopter | My e-mail is like a firehose as it is :P |
| 04:27.20 | Diopter | Afraid not, unless you're buying me dinner ;D |
| 04:27.21 | lin_ | Diopter: you said amazon gives me that console access through hypervisor ? |
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| 04:28.35 | lin_ | Diopter: sure |
| 04:28.39 | lin_ | Diopter: virtual dinner |
| 04:28.57 | lin_ | Diopter: edinner over the cloud ;-) |
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| 04:29.41 | tjf | I'm having some issues with installing packages: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1603045 |
| 04:29.42 | Diopter | heh heh |
| 04:29.53 | hjf | so how does Debian play with UEFI? |
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| 04:30.10 | lin_ | Diopter: does amazon aws allow me acces through console to interact withthe boot loader ? |
| 04:30.25 | tjf | and i'm uh, not quite sure how to fix that without compiling all those from source |
| 04:30.26 | Diopter | hjf: Rather well. Aside from the installer not booting in EFI mode. |
| 04:30.27 | hjf | cause for freebsd i had to set the server to "legacy" mode (that means: act like normal BIOS) |
| 04:30.28 | karlpinc | Diopter, lin_ : Although you can use a kernel parameter to control disk encryption (and so require access to the bootloader's config) you don't have to do this and it's not usual. See /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/* |
| 04:30.33 | lin_ | Diopter: also can the the cloud provider get access to the RAM ? coes everything is unencrypted there |
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| 04:30.48 | craigevil | tjf, why are you trying to build iceweasel? |
| 04:30.50 | Diopter | lin_: The cloud provider runs a DC, and might need to replace RAM sticks, yes. Or other hardware. |
| 04:31.00 | lin_ | karlpinc: cna you giveme your email in case ihav esome quesitons ? |
| 04:31.08 | tjf | craigevil: I just need it to build firefox |
| 04:31.08 | Diopter | lin_: And I don't know if AWS lets you console in |
| 04:31.10 | karlpinc | lin_: Anybody with physical access can screw you. You have to trust your provider. |
| 04:31.12 | lin_ | Diopter: wow, ok.. what's a DC ? |
| 04:31.18 | Diopter | lin_: ..... datacenter? |
| 04:31.25 | lin_ | ok |
| 04:31.26 | karlpinc | lin_: Just ask the channel. |
| 04:31.30 | Diopter | You seem to have strange ideas about what a cloud is or how hosting works :P |
| 04:31.40 | lin_ | well, i guess |
| 04:31.41 | tjf | i have to make a debuggable build, and to do that I have to compile from source |
| 04:31.52 | craigevil | tjf, why build firefox? download, extract, put firefox.desktop in /usr/share/applications |
| 04:32.03 | tjf | <tjf> i have to make a debuggable build, and to do that I have to compile from source |
| 04:32.14 | tjf | and i'm compiling the mobile version |
| 04:32.24 | karlpinc | lin_: So, any provider that lets you run your own kernel would work. |
| 04:32.31 | hjf | Diopter: should i just set the server to Legacy and forget about it? |
| 04:32.38 | lin_ | karlpinc: do youknow any ? |
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| 04:32.47 | craigevil | tjf, pastebin your sources.list |
| 04:32.57 | karlpinc | lin_: Up above somebody gave a list. |
| 04:33.23 | tjf | craigevil: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1603046 |
| 04:33.29 | lin_ | Diopter: i didn't quite fully get the DC etc.. you are asaying he can replace the ram sticks, but can he access it while I am using the ram (ignore the case where he shuts it down, blows nitrogen on it and gets the dram contents) |
| 04:34.01 | lin_ | karlpinc: i got only amazon, rackspace, some IRC channels on opensolaris, and another one supported by joyent |
| 04:34.24 | karlpinc | lin_: Anyway, I don't know. |
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| 04:34.38 | lin_ | ok |
| 04:34.51 | lin_ | karlpinc: mind giving your email, only for couple of questions if i have later ? |
| 04:34.52 | craigevil | tjf, try adding contrib non-free to the deb-src line, then run apt-get update |
| 04:34.59 | Diopter | lin_: In theory, a DC operator could freeze your RAM sticks. Yes. In theory. In practice, that's a hilariously laughable level of paranoia. |
| 04:35.12 | karlpinc | lin_: (And I've no idea how the install would go, or if you'd have to do something goofy with switching to a new root fs after install.) |
| 04:35.19 | lin_ | Diopter: ok, so other than that i am safe ? ! |
| 04:35.20 | Diopter | lin_: Google "datacenter" or "cloud datacenter". Look at some pictures, do some research. See how *massive* these buildings are |
| 04:35.32 | hjf | lin_: you can always pot your ram sticks to the mobo with epoxy ;) |
| 04:35.42 | tjf | craigevil: the first one? |
| 04:36.04 | lin_ | karlpinc: i am sure you can still help regardless, can you give it ? promise will keep it < 5 emails in 5 months |
| 04:36.19 | karlpinc | lin_: If you want email addresses then use the debian-users email list. I'm on that. (But probably won't answer. :-) |
| 04:36.34 | tjf | that took care of part of it |
| 04:36.54 | tjf | now I have http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1603047 |
| 04:37.09 | lin_ | fine guys |
| 04:37.23 | Diopter | tjf: Might try apt-get -f install |
| 04:37.32 | karlpinc | lin_: I don't mind giving out my address, but the public list is the way to go. Or, instead of the debian list, you could consider the luks list. (See their website.) They'd probably be interested in participating. (Really, somebody will answer on either list.) |
| 04:37.45 | lin_ | ok.. |
| 04:38.06 | karlpinc | lin_: I'd say the luks list is best, if there's enough subscribers. |
| 04:38.47 | karlpinc | lin_: (the debian list has _lots_ of traffic.) |
| 04:38.49 | lin_ | karlpinc: Diopter: i guess i need to see if hypervisor gives me access to the boot loader. karlpinc, you said something else that i iddn't get. what's the best way if i didn't get access to the boot loader, change the kernel to support (trecrypt (which i think they will give)) ? |
| 04:38.53 | tjf | I lied, that didn't fix anything |
| 04:38.56 | craigevil | tjf, try searching packages.debian.org might need backports, is your install up to date? |
| 04:38.58 | lin_ | i'll keep luks in mind |
| 04:39.19 | karlpinc | lin_: My point was, it's all done in the initramfs. You don't generally need access to the boot loader. |
| 04:39.24 | tjf | for the most part |
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| 04:39.43 | tjf | I just upgraded the packages, though |
| 04:39.52 | tjf | so i'll try again |
| 04:40.08 | lin_ | karlpinc: ok, sorry i don't understand that very well, can you elaborate a bit ? |
| 04:40.15 | craigevil | tjf, apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:41.49 | tjf | meh, I've broken so much on here that it's probably easier to just reinstall everything |
| 04:42.55 | karlpinc | lin_: For details install cryptsetup and see the docs in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/* or see the READMEs in tp://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-cryptsetup/cryptsetup/trunk/debian/ |
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| 04:43.32 | karlpinc | lin_: Do you know what an initramfs is? |
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| 04:44.09 | lin_ | karlpinc: searching :) |
| 04:44.24 | lin_ | karlpinc: guessing its ram used as an fs during initialization |
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| 04:45.09 | karlpinc | lin_: It's an initial ram fs used while booting to get setup to mount /. It takes care of asking for the password and decrypting. |
| 04:45.46 | karlpinc | lin_: it needs to know all the kernel modules required to mount /, and that'd include decrypting it. |
| 04:45.56 | lin_ | karlpinc: so its setup by theboot loader ? |
| 04:46.17 | lin_ | karlpinc: i mean created by it. kernel loads after this ? |
| 04:46.32 | karlpinc | lin_: No, it's setup by the kernel installation process, or anything else that messes with this early boot stage. |
| 04:47.34 | karlpinc | lin_: I suspect that the installer messes with it, and upgrading the kernel. Otherwise you need to trigger it yourself if encrypting after-the-fact. (Which is probably best done by copying / onto a pre-encrypted partition and going from there.) |
| 04:48.09 | karlpinc | lin_: The luks <readme.debian> (and friends) tell you how to do this, if it's not in the man page. |
| 04:48.16 | karlpinc | !tell lin_ about readme.debian |
| 04:49.02 | karlpinc | lin_: All the boot loader does is fire up a kernel. |
| 04:49.04 | lin_ | karlpinc: when you "setup by the kernel installation process" you mean kernel loading process ? |
| 04:49.13 | karlpinc | lin_: No, the package installation. |
| 04:49.31 | lin_ | ok |
| 04:49.42 | karlpinc | lin_: How to boot is the distro's problem. |
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| 04:51.28 | karlpinc | lin_: The channel is smarter than any one of us (or the mailing list etc.) |
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| 04:54.08 | karlpinc | lin_: Debian support is rather good, we think. (Perhaps because we tell people when they're acting stupid, which does not rub everyone the right way.) |
| 04:54.50 | lin_ | well, ok |
| 04:54.55 | lin_ | thanks for your help so far.. |
| 04:54.57 | karlpinc | lin_: So there's not a whole lot of bad advice given by random strangers here, although there's always some. |
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| 04:55.07 | linuxuz3r | hi |
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| 04:55.39 | linuxuz3r | who is wheezy |
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| 04:55.44 | lin_ | true |
| 04:55.47 | lin_ | gtg, thanks guys ! |
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| 04:57.31 | linuxuz3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.45 | karlpinc | !tell linuxuz3r about release history |
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| 04:58.05 | jordanm | !tell linuxuz3r about usb install |
| 04:59.01 | linuxuz3r | jordanm, i want the installer to be put to usb |
| 04:59.09 | linuxuz3r | is there a program that will do that? |
| 04:59.56 | jordanm | linuxuz3r: unetbooten might work, but is not directly supported by #debian, we only support the method layed out in the insall guide |
| 05:00.13 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: You have an existing linux system? |
| 05:00.23 | linuxuz3r | yes |
| 05:00.43 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: Then just dd the netinstall image to the usb key and boot. Simple. |
| 05:01.06 | linuxuz3r | will it install from the internet? |
| 05:01.07 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: One line. If you don't know it, read the install guide. :-) |
| 05:01.24 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: Yes. That's the recommended way, so you download only what you use. |
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| 05:02.46 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: You also get security updates that way. I tend to prefer installing the bare minimum and adding stuff like X aferwards, but some prefer to keep it simple and check one box as the installer runs. |
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| 05:03.35 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: First time debian user? |
| 05:04.23 | dondon | i can't find my pants, how can debian help =/ |
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| 05:05.56 | linuxuz3r | yes sir |
| 05:07.02 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: Learn to use the bot here. Type "/msg dpkg msg the bot" into your irc client and get a pm from the bot. See also the <introduction> <installer firmware> and <overview> factoids for starters. |
| 05:07.43 | linuxuz3r | ok thanks karlpinc |
| 05:07.47 | karlpinc | linuxuz3r: Rats. That's <firmware images>, not <installer firmwear>. |
| 05:07.57 | linuxuz3r | just wondering who is wheezy on the move toy story |
| 05:07.58 | simonlnu | ware* |
| 05:08.11 | linuxuz3r | ok |
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| 05:12.11 | melik | hey guys if my system is having high DISK i/o loads |
| 05:12.21 | melik | what can i do to troubleshoot/lower |
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| 05:17.20 | karlpinc | melik: vmstat iostat perhaps top and sar. Surely lsof. |
| 05:17.29 | karlpinc | melik: ps |
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| 05:17.38 | nsadmin | melik, first you find out what the cause is |
| 05:18.05 | nsadmin | as karlpinc is outlining the details of |
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| 05:19.23 | nsadmin | it is only after you know the details in the cause can you look at possible solutions, which in cases like this are -particular- solutions, since general solutions only go so far |
| 05:19.31 | karlpinc | melik: Then you take the offending user out back and demand retribution! |
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| 05:24.08 | nsadmin | make sure the offending user doesn't know aikido... |
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| 05:26.19 | melik | karlpinc, thing is i have 2 identical servers |
| 05:26.25 | melik | running identical processes |
| 05:26.46 | melik | and at 8:00 PM i invoke an rsync of about 50GB of data toa backup server |
| 05:27.38 | melik | one server experiences very high loads causing it to "be unresponsive" during the duration |
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| 05:28.53 | nsadmin | melik, can you swap hardware and identities of the servers? |
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| 05:29.56 | melik | unfortunately i can't as they are in production :[ |
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| 05:32.36 | peterrooney | melik: a wingnut idea - is it possible you've managed to get two rsyncs running at the same time on it? |
| 05:33.08 | nsadmin | the greatest thing about wingnut ideas is they can be twisted... |
| 05:33.42 | peterrooney | nsadmin: I never said that. |
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| 05:33.58 | jairavax | How do you feel about kFreeBSD? |
| 05:34.58 | nsadmin | peterrooney, you never said wingnut ideas could be twisted, or that the foregoing is the best thing about said ideas? oh, right, I guess you didn't... your point? :) |
| 05:35.13 | nsadmin | I'm just playing... cmon.. |
| 05:35.27 | peterrooney | nsadmin: you made it for me ^_~ |
| 05:36.15 | nsadmin | oh, ok... good enuf! |
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| 05:55.24 | melik | peterrooney, i doubt it |
| 05:55.39 | melik | the script creates a lock file |
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| 05:55.45 | china_guang | look for help ,my xchat of debian can't connect any server.how to solve this problem? |
| 05:55.47 | melik | to ensure no duplicate processes are made |
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| 05:57.07 | nsadmin | china_guang, well just a minute, you -are- here... |
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| 06:02.31 | hesco | I have some other work I want to do which precludes shutting down this machine for this purpose, but they tell me lenny is end-of-life and to add new packages I have to get with the times. I have created a LVM logical volume ready to install a new system to. I have an iso, mount'd -o loop. How do I kick off the install process in this console, without |
| 06:02.54 | hesco | interrupting my music and my ability to pursue work on this other deadline. |
| 06:03.20 | nsadmin | china_guang, so the first step to solving any problem, is to find out what the problem is... you have at least two choices... find out what the problem is and go from there, or engage (that's right, engage) in a conversation (form of TWO way communication) so that details involving the problem are exposed |
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| 06:03.29 | hesco | I want to upgrade the machine I'm working on without interrupting the work until I'm ready for a reboot. |
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| 06:04.56 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.23 | nsadmin | first, WITHOUT changing your sources.list... err one sec. |
| 06:05.40 | nsadmin | hesco, what version of debian are you running now? |
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| 06:06.58 | nsadmin | could you please hurry up and respond so I do NOT have to pay attention to you when you're not |
| 06:07.24 | hesco | 5.0.9 |
| 06:07.29 | china_guang | nsadmin,my debian can surf the internet. |
| 06:07.34 | nsadmin | so, lenny? |
| 06:07.43 | china_guang | squeeze |
| 06:07.44 | hesco | right |
| 06:08.17 | nsadmin | china_guang, ok, name a site you cannot connect to |
| 06:08.23 | hesco | I can install nothing, update nothing, upgrade nothing. |
| 06:08.32 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 06:08.33 | hesco | pretty sure that was lenny |
| 06:08.52 | hesco | as I understand it the repositories have been retired |
| 06:08.57 | nsadmin | ohh,,, right, lenny has been moved off of the mirrors |
| 06:09.26 | nsadmin | hesco, loook at archive.debian.org |
| 06:09.31 | hesco | so what is my best route for getting with the times? |
| 06:10.10 | hesco | I'm thinking a fresh install to a new logical volume, adding a stanza as necessary to my grub/menu.1st |
| 06:10.21 | china_guang | nsadmin ,in my debian'xchat connect timeout |
| 06:10.41 | hesco | and I want to do that without interrupting my work on other projects, until I'm ready to boot into the new system. |
| 06:10.54 | nsadmin | china_guang, ok, could you say something about how you're connected here and now? |
| 06:11.09 | china_guang | using my ubuntu |
| 06:11.35 | nsadmin | ok, and xchat on your ubuntu? do you have a debian? |
| 06:11.55 | china_guang | both systems |
| 06:12.01 | china_guang | yes |
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| 06:12.31 | nsadmin | so, just to be very clear... |
| 06:12.59 | nsadmin | you have a ubuntu, on that ubuntu, you have xchat... and that xchat works to connect here? |
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| 06:13.29 | china_guang | yes |
| 06:13.38 | china_guang | my debian is The default installation |
| 06:14.02 | nsadmin | ok, so the ubuntu and the debian are two possible boots of the same machine? |
| 06:14.09 | china_guang | yes |
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| 06:14.21 | nsadmin | hesco, sec. I have a few ideas |
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| 06:15.25 | nsadmin | china_guang, see if you can install on your ubuntu, libapp-nopaste-oerl |
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| 06:15.55 | nsadmin | hesco, could you do the same |
| 06:16.52 | hesco | do what same? |
| 06:16.59 | china_guang | xchat on ubuntu work well |
| 06:17.10 | nsadmin | see if you can install, libapp-nopaste-oerl |
| 06:17.45 | nsadmin | oops I misspelled it |
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| 06:17.58 | nsadmin | libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 06:18.06 | nsadmin | not oerl, perl |
| 06:18.09 | prefixed | rsync only backs up "new" files form a directory, correct? |
| 06:18.09 | Bhavic | hey guys, what utility do i use to partition GPT (2TB+ ) disks? |
| 06:18.29 | nsadmin | Bhavic, maybe gparted |
| 06:18.46 | nsadmin | I heard something about it having support |
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| 06:19.16 | china_guang | nsadmin:I can ,installing |
| 06:19.28 | hesco | this is my desktop not a web server. I do run a few webservers and could find a place to host nopaste if folks are looking for new hosts for the app. |
| 06:19.43 | nsadmin | prefixed, rsync has a LOT of little moving pieces controled by a LOT of options |
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| 06:19.54 | hesco | Bhavic: I would start with cfdisk if available |
| 06:20.15 | prefixed | nsadmin my rsync session just timed out. I would like to pick up from where I left off. how do? |
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| 06:20.45 | nsadmin | I don't know specifics... so man rsync is probably in your near future |
| 06:20.59 | prefixed | nsadmin actually, it's in my present |
| 06:21.00 | nsadmin | but I am pretty sure it's restartable |
| 06:21.13 | Bhavic | Thanks ! |
| 06:22.00 | nsadmin | hesco, ok, you say that you have projects you want to continue to work on while a new thing is prepared... |
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| 06:22.27 | nsadmin | are these web apps or similar? |
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| 06:24.33 | SpComb | prefixed: you can more or less just rerun it and it should pick up any incomplete file it has going |
| 06:24.41 | hesco | I need to rebuild my desktop, upgrade it from lenny to squeeze, I assume. I have mount'd -o loop a debian-6.0.4.iso and have a 20gb partition in which to install it. |
| 06:24.51 | prefixed | spade yeah, I just added the P flag |
| 06:24.59 | prefixed | looks like this should work |
| 06:25.03 | prefixed | yep |
| 06:25.04 | prefixed | perfect |
| 06:25.32 | prefixed | man |
| 06:25.35 | prefixed | 1MB/s |
| 06:25.50 | hesco | Can I somehow kick-off an installation in this console, targeting that logical volume while I continue to work on other deadlines in other consoles, only rebooting when the new installation is ready to be tested? |
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| 06:27.01 | SpComb | hesco: you can debootstrap it, if you're willing to play all the bootloader games yourself |
| 06:27.03 | hesco | I have an existing /boot partition with a rgub/menu.1st I can add an option to. |
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| 06:27.42 | SpComb | hesco: I don't think the installer .iso will help unless you set up some bizarre virtual machine setup for running it |
| 06:27.46 | hesco | SpComb: can you say more please, or point me to a recipe? By bootloader games, I assume you mean editing my grub menu |
| 06:27.47 | prefixed | hm |
| 06:27.49 | prefixed | 12.5 hours |
| 06:27.55 | SpComb | hesco: read up on debootstrap |
| 06:28.17 | prefixed | is there any way to make my system restart rsync if the connection times out? |
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| 06:28.32 | hesco | hey, a man page. how convenient. thanks SpComb. doing so now |
| 06:28.55 | nsadmin | hesco, ok, you say that you have projects you want to continue to work on while a new thing is prepared... |
| 06:28.59 | nsadmin | are these web apps or similar? |
| 06:30.23 | SpComb | hesco: so you can debootstrap an installation, optionally chroot into it to to some limited set of things on it, then configure your grub to load your kernel/initrd from there |
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| 06:31.23 | cortexA9 | is it possible to run debian in a browser with javascript ? |
| 06:31.32 | Bhavic | uh anyone know any utlitys which support raid partitions on GPT (parted doesnt !) |
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| 06:32.42 | mah454 | What is the duration of the program running ? |
| 06:32.56 | mah454 | can use ps command ? |
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| 06:33.27 | nsadmin | mah454, man ps |
| 06:33.28 | nsadmin | and see |
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| 06:33.56 | hesco | nsadmin: some development work |
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| 06:34.06 | mah454 | nsadmin, what option ? |
| 06:34.08 | prefixed | nsadmin do you know how to stop an rsync operation? |
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| 06:35.20 | prefixed | nvm |
| 06:35.29 | nsadmin | prefixed, you can try ctrl-c |
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| 06:36.09 | nsadmin | hesco, other than your development files, how much other stuff do you need to proceed with the development work? |
| 06:36.55 | nsadmin | hesco, I propose a third machine that only has os, the dev files and whatever is needed to support them for testing and tweaking |
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| 06:37.43 | nsadmin | then you can do your dev work independently |
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| 06:50.49 | hesco | nsadmin: nice suggestion. I'm rebuilding my principal desktop. There are not other machines available to me. |
| 06:51.32 | hesco | OK, I have built a filesystem on the new partition, mounted it, and run debbootstrap. |
| 06:51.50 | hesco | I now have a base install on the new volume. |
| 06:52.30 | hesco | My next question would be how do I ensure that grub can see my logical volume and boot from them. |
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| 06:57.46 | nsadmin | so if redoing the desktop takes precedence over the work, then finish that first, completely, transfer the dev stuff and go from there |
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| 07:09.11 | prefixed | where do programs usually go after you comile them from source? |
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| 07:10.23 | nsadmin | depends |
| 07:10.30 | prefixed | hm |
| 07:10.41 | nsadmin | on way wayyyyy too many factors to generalize |
| 07:10.41 | prefixed | looks like cygwin doesn't come wityh a way of making files |
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| 07:11.42 | nsadmin | probably, you'll be getting cygwin support on cygwin turf |
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| 07:11.59 | prefixed | yeah |
| 07:12.10 | prefixed | no one's in there though. I'm more or less talking to myself about this |
| 07:12.21 | nsadmin | and, there's still not enough info to comment |
| 07:13.05 | nsadmin | so let's see... this is something you're writing? |
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| 07:13.21 | prefixed | nah, I'm just compiling a utility form source. no worries. I got it |
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| 07:13.28 | prefixed | first time ever compiling from sourece! |
| 07:13.53 | nsadmin | suggest you get gnu hello from gnu.org, |
| 07:13.55 | hesco | having run debbootstrap, I find /squeeze-root/boot/ empty, no kernel there to boot into |
| 07:13.57 | nsadmin | unpack it |
| 07:14.03 | nsadmin | read every file |
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| 07:17.00 | kleanchap | Does rsync maintain a database of the what needs to be updated? |
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| 07:19.34 | scientes | kleanchap, it uses and relys on modified time stamps |
| 07:20.07 | nsadmin | so both sides better be time synced |
| 07:20.54 | scientes | i think you can turn that on, at which it will have to read everything, however that is , as expected, much slower |
| 07:22.39 | hesco | I guess I have to break down and do a reboot here soon. thanks for the help folks. |
| 07:23.10 | nsadmin | hesco, you might as well... |
| 07:25.08 | mah454 | what do this option in kernel : net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter |
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| 07:25.51 | nsadmin | mah454, put "net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter" in that little thing google.com likes to call a search box |
| 07:28.47 | kleanchap | scientes, Thnx. What is relys? |
| 07:29.13 | scientes | kleanchap, meaning that its functionality doesn't with without supporting functionality |
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| 07:29.28 | scientes | <nsadmin> so both sides better be time synced |
| 07:29.38 | kleanchap | Got it. |
| 07:29.44 | scientes | if the clocks are sent correctly, rsync work work as expected |
| 07:29.47 | scientes | *set |
| 07:29.52 | scientes | *wont work |
| 07:30.59 | kleanchap | Then it is better to do a "cp -R" to backup the data. |
| 07:31.06 | prefixed | whoa wtf |
| 07:31.12 | prefixed | I am dling at 10mb/s |
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| 07:31.35 | prefixed | spoke too soon |
| 07:31.37 | prefixed | nvm |
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| 07:33.36 | scientes | preds, firefox for example starts downloading when before you even see the save dialogue, and then starts estimating dl sped after to decide what you are going to do with the file |
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| 07:38.38 | nsadmin | if you are doing any kind of cp to backup file-by-file with the intent of restoring it on any kind of unix-alike, the filesystems on both sides need to have unix filesystem semantics... if not, your milage WILL vary |
| 07:39.35 | scientes | ^^^^ |
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| 07:41.45 | nsadmin | if you don't have any unix-style filesystems, then tar up each partition and transfer the tarballs |
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| 07:49.59 | jairavax | Oh man, I knew about kFreeBSD, but I've been using FBSD for a year now for servers, thinking about giving Debian kFreeBSD a whirl. |
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| 07:50.23 | jairavax | It's great that the ease of Debian is combined with FBSD. |
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| 07:53.41 | scientes | jairavax, its very differn't |
| 07:53.50 | scientes | in that it uses a port og eglibc to freebsd's kernel |
| 07:54.19 | jairavax | I can use sudo apt-get |
| 07:54.20 | jairavax | right |
| 07:54.24 | scientes | yeah |
| 07:54.27 | nsadmin | I suppose |
| 07:54.31 | scientes | you can |
| 07:54.45 | scientes | do you have a reason to use the freebsd kernel over the linux kernel? |
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| 07:55.04 | nsadmin | not by default... you can install sudo, but it does not come with (say) the minimal install, or any kind of default |
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| 07:55.22 | scientes | cause sudo is a ubuntu |
| 07:55.26 | scientes | thing, not a debian thing |
| 07:55.30 | nsadmin | but once you install debian, installing sudo is easy |
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| 07:55.37 | nsadmin | no it isn't :P |
| 07:55.39 | scientes | (in terms of who uses it actively) |
| 07:56.03 | rainfyre | hm |
| 07:56.04 | scientes | finds pages and pages of documentation that have sudo sprinkled all over the place |
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| 07:56.14 | nsadmin | ubuntu users can uninstall sudo while debian users can install it |
| 07:56.17 | scientes | "should i sprinkle some more sudo in there?" |
| 07:56.18 | rainfyre | we use it in all kinds of different distros though |
| 07:56.33 | scientes | i always wonder if thats the rimary qualifier of ubuntu technical writers |
| 07:56.49 | scientes | nsadmin, you also get banned from #ubuntu if you tell people how |
| 07:56.55 | nsadmin | in fact I'm pretty sure that sudo predates the creation of ubuntu |
| 07:57.02 | scientes | nsadmin, of course |
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| 07:57.37 | nsadmin | no one here or there gets to tell me how I help others |
| 07:57.39 | rainfyre | you get banned if you tell people what? |
| 07:57.40 | nsadmin | period |
| 07:58.32 | scientes | rainfyre, if you start telling people how to enable the root account and uninstall sudo in #ubuntu, they will ban you from the channel |
| 07:58.32 | nsadmin | rainfyre, apparantly, that you can uninstall sudo and set root password and go from there |
| 07:58.59 | nsadmin | if we take that logic to its conclusion, I guess rescuing is out too? |
| 07:59.21 | scientes | nsadmin, the rescue shell was patched to ask for the user password |
| 07:59.23 | rainfyre | wow. that's the only way that ubuntu would be tolerable to me. |
| 07:59.44 | xingu | nsadmin: so what's the prescribed cure for a b0rk3n sudoers file? |
| 07:59.54 | scientes | but yeah, if /home was mounted seperately, it might end up a problem |
| 08:00.02 | scientes | xindz, reinstall :PPPPPPPP |
| 08:00.07 | sauvin | uninstalling sudo would be idiotic, imo. |
| 08:00.17 | Rydekull | xingu: fix it? |
| 08:00.34 | Rydekull | seems like a valid option to me |
| 08:00.37 | scientes | sauvin, you could just replace it with a script that calls the argvs |
| 08:00.52 | scientes | but yeah, it wouldn't be very wise |
| 08:01.12 | xingu | Rydekull: seem like an option that might require having and knowing the root credential to me :) |
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| 08:01.25 | dmbaturin | In what repo fglrx-kernel-src is? |
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| 08:01.52 | peterrooney | scientes: that's some seriously fucked up shit. "Brain damaged" is charitable. |
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| 08:02.13 | Rydekull | xingu: reboot, enter grup, interrupt grub from booting, type 'a' to append a line, go "init=/bin/bash", press enter to boot. mount -o remount,rw /, passwd root |
| 08:02.17 | Rydekull | grub* |
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| 08:02.34 | akemrir | hello, is it safe to mix testing with backports repository? |
| 08:03.19 | xingu | Rydekull: careful, that kind of talk will get you banned from some channels, I hear ;) |
| 08:03.31 | nsadmin | akemrir, testing with testing backports, yes |
| 08:03.45 | Rydekull | xingu: but not here |
| 08:03.54 | akemrir | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 08:05.00 | nsadmin | akemrir, are you planning to do real work on a testing box? if so, are you willing to accept that it might not be as well tested as a released version of debian? |
| 08:05.16 | nsadmin | and that it's a moving target |
| 08:06.17 | akemrir | nsadmin: I have fresh install, and I`am choosing right now repositories. I wanna to have several aplications in most actual versions. |
| 08:06.36 | xingu | nsadmin: the thing that's _really_ amusing is that "once upon a time" running (the then-suid) /bin/login was a perfectly valid way of elevating privilege; then, that got split out to /bin/su, so that the suid bit on the now (hacked at by every first year college CS undergrad) /bin/login could get dropped; and now apparently /bin/su isn't sufficiently magical, so (the vastly more complex) /usr/bin/sudo is the new new. |
| 08:07.26 | xingu | nsadmin: I guess it's progress... I'm just not sure where we're all progressing towards. :) |
| 08:07.29 | akemrir | nsadmin: maybe stable backports will do the job |
| 08:07.33 | scientes | xingu, i agree that sudo is too complicated |
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| 08:07.50 | scientes | xingu, hell, it wont even work without /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname set properly |
| 08:07.50 | nsadmin | akemrir, are you running testing? are you running stable? |
| 08:08.02 | akemrir | nsadmin: now stable |
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| 08:08.06 | Rydekull | xingu: its not a matter of su being bad. its a matter of sudo having functions where you can delegate rights to people/groups to execute as root without giving them full root access |
| 08:08.24 | nsadmin | akemrir, then you should not run testing backports |
| 08:08.57 | nsadmin | at least they might not work with stable libs... at most, they might pull in half of testing |
| 08:09.04 | nsadmin | leating to a frankiedebian |
| 08:09.21 | akemrir | nsadmin: I`ll test stable backports |
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| 08:10.00 | akemrir | nsadmin: what system package manager do you preffer? apt-get ? aptitude ? |
| 08:10.11 | nsadmin | in some cases where a backport is unavailable, you may be able to backport yourself |
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| 08:10.46 | xingu | Rydekull: something that's already possible using groups, filesystem permissions, and suid bits. :) |
| 08:10.54 | Rydekull | no |
| 08:10.59 | Rydekull | it isnt |
| 08:11.06 | nsadmin | I use aptitude since it maintains the installed-from-deb versus installed-by-user-command database |
| 08:11.36 | nsadmin | and because it has better dep resolution algorithms |
| 08:12.23 | rainfyre | nsadmin: you prefer aptitude to apt-get? |
| 08:12.35 | akemrir | nsadmin: you are running debian stable ? |
| 08:12.43 | nsadmin | yep, use it all the time because I want that db maintained |
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| 08:12.59 | nsadmin | yes, I'm running stable and have been for a lot of years |
| 08:13.14 | akemrir | nsadmin: can you share your repositories list? |
| 08:13.38 | nsadmin | you'd have to learn m4 to understand it :) |
| 08:14.12 | akemrir | nsadmin: m4? hmm, I wanna see it :D |
| 08:14.14 | nsadmin | I edit the m4 file and then run make |
| 08:14.32 | nsadmin | so you'll need the m4 file and the Makefile |
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| 08:15.04 | nsadmin | let me take a look at it |
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| 08:16.52 | diego | hello |
| 08:17.01 | rainfyre | hi diego |
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| 08:17.19 | diego | is this a chanel of informatica? |
| 08:18.02 | rainfyre | sometimes yes |
| 08:18.03 | diego | im looking for a chaner to meet mature womn |
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| 08:18.15 | rainfyre | wrong place, bro |
| 08:18.17 | diego | where is? |
| 08:18.23 | diego | said me one |
| 08:18.28 | diego | on chanel |
| 08:18.43 | diego | one |
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| 08:22.13 | akemrir | lol |
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| 08:24.29 | nsadmin | http://gist.github.com/2517121 |
| 08:25.11 | akemrir | i`ts not that hard to understand :) |
| 08:25.30 | nsadmin | oh he's gone? I was gonna send him to authenticmanprogram.com |
| 08:26.51 | akemrir | nsadmin: http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/2012/04/58dcbab13b61b4b1ed3e2bbbb02a4f5d.jpg?1335529399 |
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| 08:30.56 | dmbaturin | How do I build fglrx module? |
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| 08:31.14 | nsadmin | !fglrx |
| 08:31.14 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:31.38 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: Thanks, but that page doesn't provide exact module build instructions. |
| 08:31.51 | dmbaturin | Let me ask aboit dkms. |
| 08:31.56 | nsadmin | doesn't? |
| 08:32.30 | nsadmin | which? the wiki page? |
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| 08:32.58 | dmbaturin | No, it just referd to m-a without saying what should do with it. When I select fglrx, build fails. |
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| 08:33.08 | os_ | HI |
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| 08:33.47 | os_ | what is the best 2d-animation program in linux? |
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| 08:34.07 | nsadmin | ok, aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl and run the build into a file and then cat that file | nopaste |
| 08:34.34 | nsadmin | os_, I dunno... povray.org? |
| 08:34.52 | nsadmin | you need the bestest one ever? |
| 08:35.14 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: May I run "dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-dkms-modules" and paste output? |
| 08:35.19 | dmbaturin | os_: Synfig. |
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| 08:35.48 | os_ | i don't like it!! |
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| 08:35.57 | nsadmin | dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-dkms-modules 2>&1 | np[aste |
| 08:36.03 | nsadmin | wait |
| 08:36.04 | dmbaturin | Then it's not the best app for you. |
| 08:36.04 | EmleyMoor | dmbaturin: As long as you paste to a pastebin, not the channel, you could try... |
| 08:36.09 | os_ | ktoon is good , isn't it? |
| 08:36.10 | nsadmin | dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-dkms-modules 2>&1 | nopaste |
| 08:36.23 | nsadmin | os_, tias |
| 08:36.27 | dmbaturin | EmleyMoor: Sure, my point was about the package to reconfigure. |
| 08:36.39 | os_ | o |
| 08:36.41 | os_ | ok |
| 08:36.44 | os_ | thanks |
| 08:36.46 | nsadmin | hmm, that might not work correctly |
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| 08:37.30 | nsadmin | dpkg-reconfigure usually implies interaction |
| 08:37.35 | nsadmin | so that won't work |
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| 08:38.23 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/j4tBtCmg this is what I get. |
| 08:39.55 | nsadmin | so the reason I had you use nopaste instead of pastebinit is because it does NOT use pastebin.com, which I will not read |
| 08:40.22 | nsadmin | maybe the other 1145 people will... |
| 08:40.36 | dmbaturin | Ok, I'll install nopaste. What is wrong with pastebin though? |
| 08:41.13 | nsadmin | pastebin.com has ads, captchas and for some reason likes to crash my browser |
| 08:41.38 | EmleyMoor | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net is an improvement |
| 08:41.50 | EmleyMoor | (I think that's right) |
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| 08:42.53 | dmbaturin | pastie.org is down, |
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| 08:43.08 | dmbaturin | so nopaste won't work until it's up. |
| 08:43.26 | nsadmin | nopaste should default to gist.github.com |
| 08:43.39 | nsadmin | but... ok, |
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| 08:44.07 | dmbaturin | http://paste.debian.net/166068/ |
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| 08:44.32 | nsadmin | I'll read that one :) |
| 08:44.48 | namoamitabuddha | What's the name of deb source-package of glibc in debian? |
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| 08:46.09 | tremon | eglibc-source |
| 08:46.10 | nsadmin | I think debian uses a different libc |
| 08:46.26 | nsadmin | which might be a fork of glibc |
| 08:46.30 | namoamitabuddha | tremon: thanks |
| 08:46.37 | tremon | it's without the -source actually... |
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| 08:46.54 | nsadmin | so apt-get source eglibc? |
| 08:47.18 | tremon | if you use apt-get, you can give it a binary package name and it'll still do the right thing |
| 08:47.53 | nsadmin | how would it know you want source if you don't say so? |
| 08:48.14 | tremon | it's implied by "apt-get source" :) |
| 08:48.20 | nsadmin | apt-get install would install the binary while apt-get source would grab the source and stick it in . |
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| 08:48.36 | nsadmin | ohh, so you do have to tell it what you want :) |
| 08:49.15 | nsadmin | if you said apt-get eglibc, it's likely to say "apt-get: unknown subcommand eglibc" |
| 08:49.36 | namoamitabuddha | tremon: yeah, but I have only searched for the package whose name includes ``glibc'' and have not got the exact information. |
| 08:50.04 | nsadmin | namoamitabuddha, so it's information you want? what exactly? |
| 08:50.25 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: awful. because from squeeze, the name has changed. |
| 08:51.32 | nsadmin | if you would like the debianized libc source for squeeze, that's already here in the scrollback |
| 08:52.04 | nsadmin | what information are you interested in? or more generally, what do you want? |
| 08:52.25 | peterrooney | namoamitabuddha: apt-file search eglibc (may require installing and updating apt-file) will tell you which package owns files with eglibc in the name |
| 08:52.54 | namoamitabuddha | peterrooney: what about dpkg -S |
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| 08:53.11 | nsadmin | namoamitabuddha, and, what you want, is? |
| 08:53.39 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: I have solved. |
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| 08:53.49 | tremon | amen |
| 08:54.11 | namoamitabuddha | The glibc in Debian is too old to support ``use-vc'' in resolv.conf |
| 08:54.58 | nsadmin | so, what you want is related to dns? |
| 08:55.24 | namoamitabuddha | yes |
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| 08:55.30 | nsadmin | uses his pipe wrench to pull teeth... or so it seems... |
| 08:55.48 | nsadmin | still does seem. what about dns? |
| 08:56.14 | nsadmin | maybe if you were to COOPERATE in asking for help, this could go easier for both of us |
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| 08:56.21 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=16985fd0c79ccffc105d77c9076ab0a4bb0e5714 |
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| 08:57.05 | nsadmin | nono, what do you want about the dns server used to resolve names on your machine? |
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| 08:57.42 | nsadmin | did you know it's really hard to get a straight answer out of you? |
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| 08:58.56 | nsadmin | because if you were to tell what is the ACTUAL PROBLEM you're trying to solve... then, we could solve it quickly and then: |
| 08:58.59 | nsadmin | !next |
| 08:59.00 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 09:02.55 | dmbaturin | Why could I get an amd64 kernel when I installed from an i386 DVD? |
| 09:03.23 | tremon | dmbaturin: because you chose that kernel? |
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| 09:03.49 | dmbaturin | tremon: I didn't. |
| 09:03.51 | nsadmin | dmbaturin, because if you have amd64 capable hardware and lots of ram, that kernel can use it all |
| 09:04.01 | dmbaturin | Awful. |
| 09:04.10 | nsadmin | having said that, I don't know why it picked that |
| 09:04.21 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: dig +vc |
| 09:04.36 | nsadmin | awful? why? |
| 09:04.43 | dmbaturin | I do have an x64 CPU, but the userland is 32 bit, how can this combination work at all? |
| 09:05.00 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: I want to do it on whole system. |
| 09:05.03 | tremon | dmbaturin: why shouldn't it? |
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| 09:05.08 | nsadmin | namoamitabuddha, so dig has a feature to use tcp instead of udp on queries? |
| 09:05.27 | nsadmin | dmbaturin, absolutely it works fine |
| 09:05.36 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: yeah, but I want to do +vc on each DNS query as default. |
| 09:05.49 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: Seems that's why I can't build fglrx. lol. |
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| 09:10.58 | nsadmin | namoamitabuddha, ok, few secs. |
| 09:11.38 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: So I should edit and recompile the source code of eglibc. |
| 09:11.45 | dmbaturin | Ok, I intalled 686-bigmem kernel and fglrx reconfigure worked perfectly. |
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| 09:12.35 | nsadmin | dmbaturin oic.. yeah, glad that worked... do you have all the 3d stuff workin now? |
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| 09:12.53 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: glxgears worked at least. |
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| 09:13.30 | dmbaturin | Is that behaviour with x64 kernel in 32bit distro preserved in wheezy? |
| 09:14.08 | dmbaturin | I believe the installer should at least warn it's going to screw your life up. :) |
| 09:14.11 | nsadmin | not sure... and, there should be some way to install amd64 compilers |
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| 09:14.29 | nsadmin | or what you did too |
| 09:14.55 | dmbaturin | This would require a lot of 64bit userland parts installation I assume. Never tried mixed setups until today. |
| 09:14.59 | nsadmin | namoamitabuddha, building libc is a long haul |
| 09:15.08 | dmbaturin | Well, apart from small parts of 32bit in 64bit setups. |
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| 09:15.43 | nsadmin | dmbaturin, yeah, that would be a pretty strong disadvantage |
| 09:15.51 | namoamitabuddha | nsadmin: But maybe there's no other way. |
| 09:16.52 | nsadmin | and maybe there is a way... for example, I wonder what would happen if you were to install bind9 on your mahcine (or on your gateway if it's a debian. or other machine on your internal net) |
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| 09:17.12 | nsadmin | try this: aptitude install bind9 |
| 09:17.52 | nsadmin | then try dig @127.0.0.1 yahoo.com |
| 09:17.58 | nsadmin | see if that works |
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| 09:19.17 | namoamitabuddha | Thanks |
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| 09:19.31 | nsadmin | well don't thank me yet |
| 09:19.42 | nsadmin | first see if that much works |
| 09:20.08 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: Yeah, will see if it was already discussed on the mailing lists and start a discussion if not. |
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| 09:21.10 | nsadmin | dmbaturin, one way having amd64 userland would -not- work is if AMD does not offer the driver in 64 bit version |
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| 09:22.30 | nsadmin | nvidia drivers are proving to be the easier to install |
| 09:23.13 | nsadmin | namoamitabuddha, so, following up, how's it going? |
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| 09:23.34 | dmbaturin | They indeed are. But my friend who asked for assistance in ATI drivers installation already had that laptop before migrating to linux. |
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| 09:24.40 | SnoRider | 2012, I have both Nvidia cards and ATI cards, the ATI drivers still seem to suck.. better.. but bleh. |
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| 09:25.45 | nsadmin | better... suckage? |
| 09:25.45 | dmbaturin | I haven't using ATI cards personally since 2006 I think. They used to suck even harder then. |
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| 09:26.17 | SnoRider | ATI is getting better, Nvidia drivers are still more stable though. |
| 09:26.30 | aBound | I prefer nVidia over ATI. Even when it comes to other OS's. :P |
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| 09:27.05 | dmbaturin | The only ATI card that works perfectly is rage (or how it's server version called now) :) |
| 09:27.06 | EmleyMoor | I have avoided ATI since 2003 where possible - after the disaster that was fitted to my father's PC... |
| 09:27.23 | SnoRider | It's been an issue with ATI, amazing hardware but lacking software to support it. |
| 09:27.31 | terron | Is it possible to condense the awk command awk 'NR==5{print $3}' | awk "{gsub(/'|,/, \"\"); print}" into one command? Every iteration I've tried so far (about 20 different types) has failed |
| 09:27.58 | SnoRider | 2000s, an ATI would claim several hardware capabilities but the drivers didn't support it. |
| 09:28.27 | EmleyMoor | The card that was |
| 09:28.43 | aBound | I guess a lack of good programmers at ATI. |
| 09:28.55 | EmleyMoor | The card that was in that machine caused lots of spontaneous reboots and eventually severely hosed the filesystem |
| 09:29.05 | nsadmin | whatever happened to them open-sourcing their drivers? |
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| 09:29.26 | SnoRider | I will say that ATI has come a long way, their hardware has always outclassed their software, the software is getting close to Nvidia. |
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| 09:30.22 | nsadmin | was it that they were going to release driver source? or just release hardware specs so that open-source programmsers could do it? |
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| 09:30.58 | SnoRider | nsadmin: there isn't much money in the open source market. |
| 09:31.12 | rainfyre | thank goodness |
| 09:31.35 | nsadmin | less money is less marketing to oss people |
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| 09:34.10 | SnoRider | Linux has made it's mark, I work for a global company. The only true linux OS is Red Hat Enterprise, we have about 2000 servers give or take a few hundred. |
| 09:34.47 | SnoRider | Personally I don't care for Redhat, but Redhat has made themselves a competitor in the industry. |
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| 09:35.06 | xingu | terron: feel free to /msg me with some input text (or a link to som) and expected result, looks like a fun problem. |
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| 09:35.39 | nsadmin | thanks in part to the capitalists that bought arsdigita and redhat |
| 09:35.49 | Innocentus | hi |
| 09:35.58 | Innocentus | I would like to add an user which can login in ssh |
| 09:36.06 | Innocentus | or can all user login in ssh by default? |
| 09:36.13 | Innocentus | it is a standard debian squeeze installation |
| 09:36.13 | nsadmin | and thanks in part to a past debian project leader associated with Pixar |
| 09:36.54 | nsadmin | Innocentus, what do you get when you try ssh localhost |
| 09:36.57 | EmleyMoor | Innocentus: Normally it's standard |
| 09:37.02 | xingu | hee hee, that'd be a great campaign; "Linux... Capital choice." |
| 09:37.12 | SnoRider | It doesn't matter the varient of linux, Redhat is making the mark and leading the way for other distros to be taken seriously in the business world. |
| 09:37.39 | SnoRider | Personally, my favorite flavor of linux is Slackware, been a fan since 3.1. :) |
| 09:37.48 | SnoRider | Debian is great of course. |
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| 09:38.16 | hhgbhkfde | ciao |
| 09:38.18 | EmleyMoor | I once had to do a build whichhad to be either RedHat or CentOS - I went for the latter. Another time I had to do a build which I had to maintain - used Debian for that one! |
| 09:38.20 | hhgbhkfde | !list |
| 09:38.20 | dpkg | hhgbhkfde: VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:38.33 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: how can I only allow one user or two (ssh-user and root) to login? |
| 09:38.38 | nsadmin | SnoRider, look tho, at the sentiment even in this conversation... a good 25% of the four people in this conversation are actually glad there's not much money in open source |
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| 09:39.24 | EmleyMoor | Innocentus: Do you have other users that you need to have log in locally only? |
| 09:39.29 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: I get paid for opensource. :) |
| 09:39.42 | xingu | nsadmin: the irony being that the capital markets themselves run on linux. |
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| 09:40.20 | nsadmin | SnoRider, I think I started life with slackware 2.1, A series and D series only |
| 09:40.21 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: why should they want to login on the same machine? |
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| 09:40.41 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: the only purpose for this I can imagine would be to do something evil |
| 09:40.46 | nsadmin | before that it was LSL and I only booted it into ramdisk |
| 09:40.58 | nsadmin | so it was a "live FD" |
| 09:40.58 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: or are there some special cases where it is necessary? |
| 09:41.19 | SnoRider | Opensource is a touchy subject, many distros with good intent die because they are opensource. |
| 09:41.26 | EmleyMoor | Innocentus: Perhaps we should start again... can you explain your actual problem? |
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| 09:41.52 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: I heard that all users which are set up on a debian server can also login remotely via ssh-shell |
| 09:42.02 | nsadmin | Innocentus, easy: X forwarding from another user, testing |
| 09:42.05 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: this shouldn't be possible - I want to limit this to a specific range |
| 09:42.20 | nsadmin | so, did you try ssh localhost? |
| 09:42.27 | Innocentus | ok, user logging in locally aren't that dangerous as remote users |
| 09:42.28 | EmleyMoor | Innocentus: Why particularly? |
| 09:42.41 | EmleyMoor | Innocentus: But are there *any*? |
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| 09:42.49 | Innocentus | so I would like to limit _remote_ access and allow this only for a specific set of users |
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| 09:43.00 | nsadmin | Innocentus, you never know... it could be a case of... |
| 09:43.05 | SnoRider | nsadmin: look at AIX, it's a pretty bad operating system in terms of design, but it isn't open source.. |
| 09:43.06 | nsadmin | Roses r Red... |
| 09:43.12 | Innocentus | www-user - can that guy login via ssh-shell? of course apache2 wouldn't do this - but someone evil |
| 09:43.13 | nsadmin | Violets are Blue... |
| 09:43.21 | nsadmin | I'm schizophrenic |
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| 09:43.26 | nsadmin | and so am I... |
| 09:43.52 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: is there a way to list all users which can login remotely by SSH? |
| 09:43.54 | tremon | terron: tried adding $0=$3 before the gsub? |
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| 09:44.03 | xingu | Innocentus: simplest is sshd_config(8) allowgroups |
| 09:44.22 | xingu | Innocentus: then create a local ssh-enabled group. |
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| 09:44.25 | peterrooney | Innocentus: it is possible to allow only select users to log in via ssh in sshd config |
| 09:44.27 | dmbaturin | nsadmin: Yeah, F20.* aren't just letters and numbers. They should mean something, I'll consult voices in my head about it. |
| 09:44.27 | SnoRider | Too be honest, as much as I despise Redhat, they have the right Idea. Many linux distros are going to die out over the following decades, if Redhat does what they are doing they will survive. |
| 09:44.31 | nsadmin | so if you ssh in when you're one version of yourself... and as soon as you type the password you become one of like 300 others... |
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| 09:45.42 | ziarkaen | Is there any easy way to "background" certain daemon's startup during system boot? i.e. Not wait for completion of /etc/init.d/daemon script before moving to next item? |
| 09:46.00 | nsadmin | SnoRider, it just depends on who uses what, and who carries the torch |
| 09:46.03 | Innocentus | ok, now there is confixx on the server which manages many users with ftp access - I would like to also enable sftp (ftp over ssh) for all those users |
| 09:46.05 | EmleyMoor | Innocentus: A user can only log in if it has a password or a key installed, and a shell... but yes, you could use AllowGroups in the sshd config and add all "ssh allowed" users to the group(s) you set |
| 09:46.16 | Innocentus | EmleyMoor: sounds good |
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| 09:46.59 | SnoRider | nsadmin: I travel all over the world, not once have I seen a slackware box, debian box, gentoo box in a datacenter... There is a reason for that. |
| 09:47.06 | nsadmin | Innocentus, ok, so now let's go back to your original question... |
| 09:47.07 | nsadmin | umm |
| 09:47.11 | nsadmin | what was that again? |
| 09:47.43 | EmleyMoor | man sshd_config and look at AllowGroups, AllowUsers, DenyGroups and DenyUsers - see if you can craft those into an answer to your actual problem |
| 09:47.47 | nsadmin | SnoRider, what reason? |
| 09:48.07 | xingu | suspects "not looking hard enough" is the reason ;) |
| 09:48.13 | tremon | notes there is a reason for #offtopic too |
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| 09:49.39 | tremon | ziarkaen: there are many ways, for example insserv in Debian, systemd in FC, upstart in Ubuntu. parallel boot should be the default in squeeze, iirc |
| 09:49.48 | SnoRider | Support, a truely open source linux distribution cannot provide proper support. |
| 09:49.59 | Innocentus | SnoRider: what box will you find in a datacenter? |
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| 09:50.12 | SnoRider | Usually brown ones. |
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| 09:50.35 | Innocentus | I would like to allow only the user ssh-shell and root (but this is not recommended) to login via ssh. |
| 09:50.38 | SnoRider | propper* |
| 09:50.42 | nsadmin | SnoRider, well Stallman did have one thing right, which is the software is free but support can be charged for |
| 09:50.54 | nsadmin | this channel would do well to support that |
| 09:50.58 | Innocentus | SnoRider: what OS do they run? I know several boxes with debian |
| 09:53.08 | SnoRider | Most datacenters run the following: Obvious: Varient of Windows, VMWARE ESX is the most popular providing solutions for Windows and Unix, *nix* specific: AIX 5.3 - 6.1, Redhat Enterprise, Solaris. |
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| 09:58.57 | Innocentus | RHEL is expensive? |
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| 09:59.16 | Innocentus | what does the (8) on sshd_config(8) mean? |
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| 09:59.30 | themill | Innocentus: section 8 of the manual. (man man) |
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| 10:01.56 | SnoRider | RHEL is expensive, however, the contract includes RH certified techs to be onsite. Similar to Microsoft, IBM, certifications and on site techs make a company worth more. Does Debian provide certified on site techs 24/7 in every major city? That's the difference. |
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| 10:03.25 | SnoRider | I can name several distros including Debian that are better than RHEL, but they don't have the support to make it major. |
| 10:04.27 | calrogman | Guys, `date -d "May 14 2012 UTC 12:53:20" +%s' |
| 10:04.51 | calrogman | I'll bet #1337000000 will be flooded on the day. |
| 10:04.57 | SnoRider | A great distro that stands by open source, yes noble, needs to continue on in the business world if it wants to survive and to be taken seriously. |
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| 10:05.18 | Innocentus | what is #1337000000 ? |
| 10:05.31 | calrogman | Run the date command up there :-) |
| 10:05.35 | calrogman | All will be revealed |
| 10:06.35 | Innocentus | date: invalid date `1337000000' |
| 10:06.37 | Innocentus | eh |
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| 10:06.56 | tremon | goes looking for #debian |
| 10:07.22 | calrogman | Innocentus: Think you missed the -d there. Anyway, reminds me of #1234567890, which was great fun. |
| 10:07.24 | SnoRider | Redhat branched into a enterprise and consumer business, it's making money but yet you can download a version for free. It's the first version of linux to make it into serious business. |
| 10:08.20 | Innocentus | calrogman: date -d 1337000000 ? |
| 10:08.23 | SnoRider | Redhat is the closest competitor in the linux world to Microsoft, that's something to be said. |
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| 10:08.43 | scientes | SnoRider, well, technically speaking, you can't download a true copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux for free |
| 10:08.53 | Innocentus | SnoRider: I can get RHEL for free? |
| 10:08.57 | SnoRider | No, not RHEL |
| 10:09.03 | scientes | But Centos and Scientific Linux are certainly very similar |
| 10:09.07 | Innocentus | SnoRider: or have they limited it to one visitor per hour or something? |
| 10:09.08 | scientes | VERYYYYY similar |
| 10:09.10 | calrogman | Innocentus: date -d @1337000000 |
| 10:09.32 | scientes | however, there are reason to get RHEL, because you get first-class support |
| 10:09.40 | Innocentus | Mon May 14 14:53:20 CEST 2012 - I don't see anything funny |
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| 10:09.48 | scientes | TIL that RHEL 6 uses upstart |
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| 10:10.37 | calrogman | Innocentus: Do you see why some people would find this video interesting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJH9U-HFFSI |
| 10:10.47 | scientes | even though i had been using RHEL 6 for a while |
| 10:10.54 | scientes | i thought they had stuck with sysvinit |
| 10:11.38 | Innocentus | ah, it is an inside unix timestamp joke |
| 10:11.55 | calrogman | Yeah, exactly. |
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| 10:12.08 | calrogman | And there's usually a big IRC party on the day. |
| 10:12.11 | Innocentus | hmm, when I assign permissions with chmod - how can I specifcy an user or group? |
| 10:12.25 | calrogman | Using chown :-) |
| 10:12.36 | Innocentus | chown = change owner? |
| 10:12.44 | Innocentus | can I have multiple owners or only one? |
| 10:12.46 | calrogman | It also changes the group. |
| 10:12.48 | calrogman | Only one. |
| 10:12.52 | Innocentus | aha |
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| 10:13.09 | Innocentus | when I upload files with a confixx generated ftp user, the permission etc pp are fine |
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| 10:13.11 | calrogman | Put the owner and anybody you want to share it with in the same group and give the group +rw |
| 10:13.27 | f8l | Innocentus: … or use ACL. |
| 10:13.40 | Innocentus | but I don't want to login for each user when doing maintenance, so I got an highly previlligated user which can access all user folders |
| 10:13.52 | Innocentus | but then the site doesn't work correctly, because the permissions aren't right anymore |
| 10:14.15 | SnoRider | I have my CCNA and have my RHCE through my company, running many different distros throughout my life Redhat isn't a good distro, my point is, for other distros to make their mark they should follow the marketing strategy of Redhat. They did get that right. |
| 10:14.19 | Innocentus | how can I fix the permissions? |
| 10:14.19 | Innocentus | ACL? |
| 10:14.20 | Innocentus | does confixx also use ACL? |
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| 10:17.30 | xingu | suspects that android's installed base - at around 23.8mn a year ago - stomps all over RHEL |
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| 10:31.57 | linduxed | does anyone here know of a "set up your own mail server" guide that you'd like to recommend? |
| 10:32.24 | linduxed | i've seen a few, but they're often outdated and seem to involve a ton of moving parts |
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| 10:38.21 | sweb | how can i install debian wheezy ? |
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| 10:38.42 | sweb | download sqeeze 6.0.4 ? |
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| 10:42.11 | babilen | sweb: Yes, install stable and take it from there. Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable (lots of information applies to testing as well) -- Please make sure that you understand that wheezy has not yet been released, is buggy and receives *no* security support. |
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| 10:43.06 | sweb | babilen: i'm ubuntu user u want to migrade to debian. i hate unity. in debian sqeede which version of gnome installed |
| 10:43.36 | abrotman | 2.x |
| 10:43.57 | sweb | abrotman: i want 3.x gnome-shell. i must install sid ? |
| 10:43.59 | babilen | sweb: Squeeze comes with Gnome 2.30 (mostly) -- The next Debian release (wheezy) will contain Gnome 3.4 |
| 10:44.10 | abrotman | sweb: no, you install must wheezy you must |
| 10:44.16 | sweb | ohum, so wheezy better for me |
| 10:44.35 | sla | babilen: i'm using debian testing. Good dist without many bugs. In stable there are old programs |
| 10:44.41 | sweb | debian use default gnome enviroment ? |
| 10:44.53 | abrotman | sweb: there isn't truly a default .. there are many available |
| 10:45.03 | sweb | ubuntu modified many more on gnome :( |
| 10:45.10 | babilen | sweb: You can quite easily install gnome-shell on Ubuntu as well btw. I haven't checked but I would be surprised if precise doesn't package it. I wouldn't necessarily recommend running a development version of Debian. |
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| 10:46.03 | sweb | babilen: yeah. many of packages have a problem i installed 12.04 LTS but i think it's have a problem. it sayd me some brocken packages. report crashes |
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| 10:46.25 | Trewas | ubuntu's gnome(-shell) is somewhat behind and quite heavily patched because unity builds upon many parts of gnome |
| 10:46.45 | babilen | sweb: You might want to discuss that in #ubuntu - Just wanted to clarify that you don't have to use unity in Ubuntu. You can, naturally, configure your system the way you want to. |
| 10:46.48 | sweb | Trewas: right, that's caused i dont like it |
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| 10:47.36 | sweb | debian support nvidia and ati video accelaration ?idont use debian as a desktop before |
| 10:47.45 | abrotman | sweb: it can, yes |
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| 10:48.12 | sweb | abrotman: also 3rdparty such as mp3 and non-free, right ? |
| 10:48.26 | sla | sweb: yes |
| 10:48.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 10:48.37 | abrotman | sweb: you could try it ina VM first if you're that worried |
| 10:48.52 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.07 | nsadmin | (but that could be the same on all linuxes) |
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| 10:49.54 | sweb | no, my backup operation will be start. debian is the best choise for desktop also. i need push and stability no features for kids like a unity. i'm web developer work with debian server. |
| 10:50.42 | nsadmin | sweb, to be decided by you after you used it for awhile. |
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| 10:51.35 | sweb | i think ATI offer free driver for linux kernel but it's seems be wrong. any graphic cards availbe that absolutly supported via opensource driver ? |
| 10:51.49 | abrotman | intel |
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| 10:52.20 | nsadmin | that includes full 3d support? |
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| 10:52.58 | sweb | intel have any powerful graphics? all of them that i see seems to be lightweight graphic cards, for example using in netbooks for power saving |
| 10:53.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes they do |
| 10:53.35 | abrotman | sweb: powerful enough for what? i can play 3d games |
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| 10:53.51 | sweb | abrotman: how much memory ? |
| 10:54.01 | nitzs | sweb: the sandybrigde intel processors have quite capable inbuilt gpus. |
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| 10:54.06 | abrotman | does it matter as long as it works ? |
| 10:54.09 | SpComb | Intel's new Ivy Bridge iGPU's are fairly good |
| 10:54.32 | abrotman | sweb: what game do you want to play? |
| 10:54.51 | nsadmin | or is it even games you want? |
| 10:54.58 | sweb | no i need webgl, for new wave of feature of web. i need poweful GPU |
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| 10:55.12 | abrotman | webgl? the thing they invented like 10 years ago? |
| 10:55.19 | nsadmin | oh gawd :P |
| 10:55.25 | abrotman | oh, that was VRML or something, nevermind |
| 10:55.35 | nsadmin | vrmin |
| 10:55.55 | sweb | abrotman: take a look http://webglsamples.googlecode.com/hg/aquarium/aquarium.html |
| 10:56.40 | abrotman | sweb: took a second to render, but looks fine .. and this laptop is two years old |
| 10:56.56 | nsadmin | sweb, -believe- me when I say, you're not going to see gl support in browsers for at least 5 years on any kind of consistant basis if at all ever |
| 10:57.42 | nitzs | nsadmin: what do you mean by that? |
| 10:58.23 | sweb | nsadmin: so developers must be ready for that. the desktop will be died after 5 years. all processed will be in cloud, also games |
| 10:58.26 | abrotman | sweb: not sure how many FPS i sohuld be getting .. but it works |
| 10:58.28 | nsadmin | plus, non-capable browsers will be in user's hands for years and years... you're seriously better off staying away from advanced features |
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| 10:59.09 | k-man | anyone know of a cli program that can convert a video to something suitable for the iphone? |
| 10:59.18 | abrotman | ffmpeg maybe? |
| 10:59.25 | valdyn | sweb: yea right, and everyone will slow down their reactions to adjust for network latency ;) |
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| 10:59.27 | nsadmin | sweb, you will be moreorless with the direct rendering 3d accel |
| 10:59.55 | k-man | abrotman, ill check tahnks |
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| 11:00.31 | luomio | hi everyone |
| 11:00.39 | nsadmin | valdyn, and people will be walking funny away from their computers due to the jitter and lags |
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| 11:00.55 | sweb | i will try debian, soon as possible. looking for laptops that have intel's GPU. ty guys for guide |
| 11:01.16 | valdyn | !1! |
| 11:01.17 | dpkg | somebody said 1! was 1 |
| 11:01.20 | luomio | there's a problem on packaging |
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| 11:01.58 | nsadmin | luomio,,, sounds ominous... |
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| 11:02.36 | nsadmin | !9! |
| 11:02.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, 9! is 362,880 |
| 11:03.07 | luomio | I'm packaging a package provides gnome-shell and some packages depends on gnome-shell didn't recognized it, any solutions or sugestions ? |
| 11:03.26 | abrotman | luomio: for which version of Debian ? |
| 11:03.43 | luomio | unstable |
| 11:04.56 | abrotman | you're going to have to be a bit more descriptive |
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| 11:06.29 | luomio | I have installed a package which provides gnome-shell but while installing gnome-tweak-tools it still requires gnome-shell |
| 11:06.47 | abrotman | luomio: what tool are you using to install these packages? |
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| 11:07.09 | luomio | apt-get |
| 11:07.29 | luomio | abrotman: apt-get |
| 11:07.44 | Innocentus | gu |
| 11:07.50 | Innocentus | hi |
| 11:08.01 | Innocentus | how can I get the current user of a file or folder? the get-version of chown |
| 11:08.24 | nsadmin | well there's ls -l |
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| 11:08.53 | nsadmin | wait, current user? what do you mean? the owher? or something else? |
| 11:09.08 | Innocentus | the owner of file |
| 11:09.13 | nsadmin | well there's ls -l |
| 11:09.14 | Innocentus | who is the owner of file / folder xy |
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| 11:09.22 | abrotman | or state |
| 11:09.25 | abrotman | erm .. stat |
| 11:09.31 | Innocentus | good |
| 11:09.42 | nsadmin | if you're going to parse, maybe stat is better |
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| 11:11.08 | luomio | I'm packaging a package provides gnome-shell and some packages depends on gnome-shell didn't recognized it, any solutions or sugestions ? |
| 11:11.29 | abrotman | luomio: we already went over this .. yu're not providing enough detail |
| 11:11.53 | abrotman | luomio: which package are you creating? what does your control file look like? |
| 11:12.13 | calrogman | wow my gentoo box is being a pain |
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| 11:12.31 | Innocentus | what means this ls -l row?: drwxr-x--- 15 web0 www-data 4096 Apr 27 17:34 html |
| 11:12.37 | Innocentus | it belongs to web0 and www-data? |
| 11:12.41 | Innocentus | or only to one of them? |
| 11:12.44 | calrogman | everything is segfaulting... i don't think that's supposed to happen. |
| 11:12.56 | Innocentus | calrogman: ah, yesterday I had some nice segfaults with PHP |
| 11:13.30 | abrotman | Innocentus: man ls |
| 11:13.53 | calrogman | Innocentus: no, i mean *everything*, getty, man, free... |
| 11:14.07 | calrogman | Innocentus: hell even shutdown is segfaulting |
| 11:14.11 | abrotman | calrogman: it's offtopic here |
| 11:14.23 | nsadmin | Innocentus perms, #hardlinks, owner, group, size, last change date, name |
| 11:14.48 | abrotman | or man ls so he actually learns how to read |
| 11:15.08 | Innocentus | ok |
| 11:15.21 | Innocentus | so the owner is web0 but group is www-data |
| 11:15.22 | nsadmin | calrogman, weren't you trying to install an altered libc? |
| 11:15.35 | Innocentus | so web0 belongs to group www-data, right? |
| 11:15.36 | abrotman | nsadmin: how is his gentoo box on topic in this channel? |
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| 11:15.46 | abrotman | Innocentus: you tell us .. |
| 11:16.08 | nsadmin | I didn't see the word gentoo |
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| 11:16.41 | luomio | abrotman: I creat a package named gnome-shell-mod provides gnome-shell by myself,and i write description of provides gnome-shell in debian/control file,and i install the gnome-shell-mod package in my computer,but when install gnome-tweak-tool, it still depends on gnome-shell |
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| 11:17.07 | abrotman | luomio: look at the dependsfor gnome-tweak-tool |
| 11:17.16 | Innocentus | abrotman: did I interpret it right now? |
| 11:17.24 | nsadmin | luomio, maybe that depend is versioned |
| 11:17.30 | abrotman | Innocentus: doubtful .. |
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| 11:18.25 | abrotman | Innocentus: You can create a file with a user/group owner where the owner is not in the group AIUI |
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| 11:20.19 | Innocentus | so a file can have an owner and a group? but why is there an owner at all if there can be also a group? |
| 11:20.28 | Innocentus | can the owner also be a group? |
| 11:20.34 | abrotman | !tell Innocentus about permissions |
| 11:20.39 | abrotman | go read a bit, then come back |
| 11:20.49 | luomio | abrotman: gnome-tweak-tool depends gnome-shell (>= 3.3.2) |
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| 11:25.56 | luomio | #ubuntu |
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| 11:50.02 | sary | salutation. |
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| 11:51.55 | Innocentus | ok |
| 11:52.02 | Innocentus | I read the stuff about permissions |
| 11:52.23 | sary | I've just installed Debian , and this is apt sources.list .. is it missing something ! http://paste.debian.net/166099/ |
| 11:52.25 | Innocentus | Now I want to know if it is possible to assign different permissions to different groups of a file |
| 11:52.37 | Zharf | no |
| 11:52.46 | Innocentus | I mean, a file got one or some groups - now group A should only be able to read and group B only be able to write |
| 11:52.54 | Innocentus | can this be done? |
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| 11:55.33 | CyberDomovoy | hello |
| 11:56.12 | calrogman | No Innocentus, a file can only have one user and one group. |
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| 11:56.47 | Innocentus | and what if I want that group A can only read the file, and group B only write to it? |
| 11:56.52 | Innocentus | is this possible? |
| 11:57.11 | oldsk00l | depends on if group B is "other" |
| 11:57.25 | nsadmin | sary, yes, your sources.list is missing the line that refers to the main binary packages and optionally the main sources |
| 11:57.43 | calrogman | Having write without read would be a little counterproductive, no? |
| 11:58.16 | nsadmin | calrogman, think: dropbox |
| 11:58.43 | nsadmin | or more familiar if you didn't go to school... mailbox |
| 11:59.10 | CyberDomovoy | has anybody here tried to make raid from disks on different computers? how to do that? (i've seen stuff about nbd, enbd, xnbd... which one is better for raid?). I'm thinking about raid50 (raid0 on top of two raid5, each one on a different computer), any suggestion, or ressource i could read before experimenting? |
| 11:59.56 | calrogman | That analogy doesn't really work on Unices, nsadmin, since write permissions IIRC cover deleting and overwriting files. |
| 12:00.00 | nsadmin | CyberDomovoy, I guess there are ways to do that... but -wow- what if ever a computer with disks in the raid din't come up |
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| 12:01.22 | sary | nsadmin: Thank you. :) |
| 12:01.23 | Innocentus | oldsk00l: and if group other shouldn't be able to access the file at all? |
| 12:01.32 | Innocentus | oldsk00l: it is just an example - I am curious about this |
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| 12:02.04 | nsadmin | sary, so you want at least one line. do you also want contrib and non-free? |
| 12:02.24 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: that's why i ask :) i was thinking about an init script on the computer that holds the raid0 array, that script would wait for the two raid5 array to be available before assembling the raid0 |
| 12:02.34 | KriP | Innocentus, classic unix permissions are somewhat limited in functionality, but i believe you can achieve pretty much and kind of permissions you can image using "acl" |
| 12:03.09 | juniorsa | Hi, I have a server that is accessed via http from the web, hosted at my home with a dsl static ip connection, I was wondering if there is a simple way to have my http://xxx.xxxx.com redirected to my 192.168.6.4 address when I am at home, would a static route be a simple way to handle this on my router? |
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| 12:03.58 | nsadmin | CyberDomovoy, this is so far afield of something I'd ever do, that I probably can't advise you since I never even thought thru the contingencies |
| 12:04.08 | Innocentus | KriP: is acl a native feature or does it have to be installed? I guess it is on kernel level? |
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| 12:04.16 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: the other trouble is, what if a disk fails in the array on the computer not holding the raid0? how would md, and nbd react to that? |
| 12:04.51 | Innocentus | I opened the config file /etc/ssh/sshd_config and found out that it is managed by PAM |
| 12:05.01 | KriP | Innocentus, it has to be supported by your filesystem and kernel I believe |
| 12:05.06 | nsadmin | have your disks on one computer, and have 10000baseT cards and hubs for speed... |
| 12:05.06 | Innocentus | so how can I now limit the openssh remote access to only one user - ssh-user? |
| 12:05.24 | Innocentus | KriP: and it is already available ? |
| 12:05.35 | nsadmin | does that user exist? |
| 12:05.49 | nsadmin | woe is you if you ever forget the passwd or name!@ |
| 12:05.51 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: well, i would avoid it if i could, but i don't have the hardware that would allow me to put all the disks on the same computer. So i need a solution, and that's the best i came with |
| 12:06.22 | nsadmin | are they all sata drives? |
| 12:06.30 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:06.45 | nsadmin | sheesh :) controllers are cheao! |
| 12:06.58 | KriP | Innocentus, it should be. Some random search on google says "By default kernel version 2.6 supports ext2, ext3, jfs, xfs filesystems for ACL" |
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| 12:07.08 | kjs_ | anyone interested in paid blog writing for the security sector? I will pay for how to guide style content. |
| 12:07.20 | nsadmin | btw, if you're going to do random access things like databases, you do not want raid5 |
| 12:07.26 | nsadmin | maybe raid10 |
| 12:07.33 | KriP | Innocentus, check out http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/acl.htm |
| 12:07.37 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: it's only data storage |
| 12:07.43 | nsadmin | compare the raid levels for what you want |
| 12:07.48 | Innocentus | very interesting |
| 12:07.51 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 12:07.55 | nsadmin | what manages the data? |
| 12:07.59 | Innocentus | now another thing |
| 12:08.02 | Innocentus | I opened the config file /etc/ssh/sshd_config and found out that it is managed by PAM |
| 12:08.05 | Innocentus | so how can I now limit the openssh remote access to only one user - ssh-user? |
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| 12:08.13 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 12:08.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 12:08.33 | nsadmin | which I wouldn't do except there are other conversations going too right now |
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| 12:09.32 | intore_ | hi, could someone help me on smbldap-populate command? i don't know how reolve an error. on #openldap and #samba i didn't find anyone |
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| 12:12.53 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: what do you mean by "what manages the data"? nothing... i just cp, mv, rm stuff on it, filesystem would be ext4 i think (anything better? xfs?) |
| 12:14.08 | nsadmin | intore_, I can't advise you here or there, except, the first thing you need to know is exactly what the problem is you're experiencing. the error message should help you to determine that. try putting the error message in googoe... yes, google... you'd be surprised at how often that works |
| 12:14.47 | nsadmin | CyberDomovoy, so the data is in files and not sql tables? |
| 12:14.54 | CyberDomovoy | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:15.04 | intore_ | nsadmin: i did it but i didn't find solutions |
| 12:15.14 | nsadmin | raid5 could work with that |
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| 12:15.37 | Innocentus | I opened the config file /etc/ssh/sshd_config and found out that it is managed by PAM, so how can I now limit the openssh remote access to only one user - ssh-user? |
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| 12:16.41 | nsadmin | intore_, ok, we're at the first part of my message to you, which is, (1) I can't advise you except to say (2) the first thing to do is determine and understand the problem |
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| 12:17.15 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, actally, i just thought about something, i already have one of the two raid5, there is data on it i want to keep... can i do my raid50 stuff and keep the data? |
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| 12:17.43 | Albert954 | Hello, do someone use amd zacate (e-350) an have problems to get Xorg working ? |
| 12:17.49 | ladowacharpuny | how can I remote login on debian/xfce? from debian/xfce |
| 12:17.58 | KriP | Innocentus, seems you want AllowUsers clause in your sshd config. check man sshd_config |
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| 12:18.17 | intore_ | nsadmin: can i explain it here or is it off topic? |
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| 12:18.47 | nsadmin | intore_, I dunno what to tell you about whether it's on or off |
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| 12:19.28 | nsadmin | intore_, collect what you know (and what you don't know, what questions you have) in a file |
| 12:19.36 | nsadmin | pastebin that file |
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| 12:19.51 | nsadmin | that would be how you would explain-without-flooding |
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| 12:20.15 | intore_ | nsadmin: ok, the error is using the command smbldap-populate. the error is in this paste http://pastebin.com/Wz7HCBuQ |
| 12:20.32 | Innocentus | KriP: What is with PAM - do I need it at all then? |
| 12:20.43 | Innocentus | KriP: Does the normal Unix login also use PAM? |
| 12:20.59 | nsadmin | Innocentus, all of your login access stuff is compiled against pam |
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| 12:21.22 | KriP | Innocentus, yea you dont really want to change anything in PAM |
| 12:22.21 | nsadmin | unless (a) you know what you're doing or (b) the machine can be totally hosed without disappointing anyone |
| 12:22.58 | nsadmin | including yourself |
| 12:23.16 | Innocentus | so Unix login also uses PAM, this is nice |
| 12:23.35 | intore_ | nsadmin: did you write to me? |
| 12:23.50 | nsadmin | nope, as I said, I can't advise you |
| 12:23.54 | ladowacharpuny | How can I remote login on debian/xfce? from debian/xfce. There is something native what will send info - no images? |
| 12:23.56 | Albert954 | Hello, do someone use amd zacate (e-350) an have problems to get Xorg working ? When i use ctrl-alt F1 to get the TTY, my screen become blank, i can just ctrl-alt-delete to restart the system. i am using the radeon driver from xorg. |
| 12:24.05 | Innocentus | ok, so using AllowUsers will automatically exclude all users which are not mentioned there, right? |
| 12:24.28 | KriP | PAM is an abstraction layer between services and users and passwords. You can get modules that allow you for instance to authenticate users in a MS AD or an LDAP database, but dont mess with it if you dont understand it :) |
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| 12:25.44 | KriP | Innocentus, please read man sshd_config for details. I've never actually used it. |
| 12:26.48 | CyberDomovoy | ok, let's put the problem clearly :) Setup: ComputerA -> 4 sata drives, raid5 + LVM + xfs, ComputerB -> 4 sata drives, same size as in ComputerA, available for anything. The raid5 on ComputerA is almost full, i need more space. What is the best solution, without loosing the data? |
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| 12:28.10 | abrotman | are you trying ot share the storage on B with A ? |
| 12:28.46 | Enon | Hello all :D |
| 12:28.47 | Enon | I want to do disk Quota and want to install torrent client to each user and then want to limit the bandwidth limit they can use. like they can not use more then 12TB and its gets reset whenever I want. is that possible? |
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| 12:29.18 | abrotman | Enon: using which OS? |
| 12:29.30 | Enon | Debian |
| 12:29.41 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman: i want to extend the storage on A, using disks of B. The resulting storage should appear as one partition |
| 12:29.43 | abrotman | and did you try to search for things like quotas with search tools? |
| 12:29.56 | abrotman | CyberDomovoy: as local storage or remote storage? |
| 12:30.28 | Enon | yea abrotman. I am successful to find disk quota but not able to find how to do bandwidth quota? |
| 12:30.43 | abrotman | Enon: maybe check netfilter.org, not sure you can |
| 12:31.04 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman: it would be local on either A or B, but remotly accessible from any computer on my network |
| 12:31.24 | abrotman | CyberDomovoy: add the drives as another raid5 and use lvm to extend? |
| 12:31.28 | abrotman | runs away for a bit |
| 12:31.31 | Enon | abrotman, cant I even track? |
| 12:31.41 | abrotman | Enon: maybe check netfilter.org, not sure you can |
| 12:32.06 | Enon | :( |
| 12:32.26 | Enon | some peoples do that |
| 12:32.32 | Enon | like whatbox.ca |
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| 12:34.06 | Innocentus | what do you think about this?: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/security-tip-disable-root-ssh-login-on-linux/ |
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| 12:34.34 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman: i was thinking about that... is it really a good solution? where would be the second raid5, on A or B? if on B, what *nbd should i use to make it accessible to LVM in A? |
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| 12:36.34 | nsadmin | Innocentus, it's got a http at the start and a / at the end... |
| 12:37.23 | CyberDomovoy | As nsadmin suggested, i could add a sata controller to A, so that all the disks would be on the same computer, but then i need a bigger case that can old 8 disks (9 actually, one more for the os). That involve some cost, and i'd like to avoid it |
| 12:37.28 | nsadmin | okok, so that was more of an observation than a thought |
| 12:37.38 | Enon | Should I go with Disk Quota or Just Virtulisation is better? |
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| 12:38.10 | Innocentus | nsadmin: is it recommandable to disable root for ssh? |
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| 12:38.37 | nsadmin | sure, especially for real-internet facing boxes |
| 12:38.39 | benvei | i have a debian Server with nginx and i'm trying to install ikiwiki. I need "wdg-html-validator" for ikiwiki, but this will also install apache2... Is there any other solution? |
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| 12:39.08 | nsadmin | why install a ikiwiki? it's too iki! |
| 12:39.46 | benvei | nsadmin, what do you mean? |
| 12:40.03 | nsadmin | I mean something? by which? |
| 12:40.30 | benvei | nsadmin, what du you mean with "iki"? ;) |
| 12:40.31 | nsadmin | oh, well you may have to build the validator thing yourself |
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| 12:41.54 | nsadmin | either the module maints or the apacke maints haven't grokked the possibility of other web server software |
| 12:43.06 | nsadmin | anyway, I'm off... |
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| 12:45.48 | izual | Hi, I am on Debian and I try to install php5-mcrypt but I get the following message http://pastebin.com/MW7Hsaar . Any help? |
| 12:46.39 | babilen | !tell izual -about bat |
| 12:47.04 | izual | babilen, I didn't get you |
| 12:47.25 | oldsk00l | change your mirror |
| 12:48.00 | babilen | !bat |
| 12:48.01 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:48.21 | babilen | izual: Please provide that information ^^^^ (you should have received a private message from out bot dpkg) |
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| 12:50.46 | babilen | izual: Please throw in your /etc/apt/sources.list as well |
| 12:51.48 | raynerd | hello, I`m a linux noob and keep seeing blanks in certain webpages saying "click to download plugin" but then no plugin found when I click it! Here is one I`ve just come across... it is just some info about a 3d printer...the point is there looks to be an image or something in the page near the start that I can`t view http://www.hacksbot.com/journal/2011/7/8/3d-printer-project-log.html# any thoughts??? |
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| 12:52.28 | izual | here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/166122/ |
| 12:52.30 | babilen | raynerd: That is most likely flash -- You want to install adobe flash or a free alternative such as gnash. |
| 12:52.36 | babilen | !tell raynerd -about flash |
| 12:52.43 | babilen | !tell raynerd about adobe flash |
| 12:53.39 | sary | Alright , so is this a appropriate sources.list entries http://paste.debian.net/166121/ |
| 12:53.49 | raynerd | ahhh, likely why youtube isn`t working either! |
| 12:53.55 | babilen | izual: Yeah, you are missing entries for the normal mirrors. Please read "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list", add all entried mentioned therein and run "apt-get update" -- You can show me your sources.list again if you are unsure and I'll help. |
| 12:54.32 | izual | thanks babilen |
| 12:54.53 | raynerd | babilen - I`m just trying to get my head around this. So if I want to install gnash, will it simply be a case of su root in terminal and apt-get install gnash ? |
| 12:55.02 | babilen | sary: Not quite -- You have multiple entries for squeeze and using ftp.debian.org is discouraged. Where are you located geographically? |
| 12:55.27 | babilen | raynerd: Yes -- No idea if gnash is working these days though. |
| 12:55.28 | Enon | I have one server with 8users and 8users have disk quota and I want to limit those user to use only 12TB bandwidth not more then that |
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| 12:55.50 | sary | Im also trying to find a nearby server/mirror . |
| 12:56.02 | sary | babilen: Saudi Arabia. |
| 12:56.05 | themill | !mirror map |
| 12:56.05 | dpkg | You can find a mirror that is geographically close to you using the Debian mirror map: http://deb.li/map . For other mirror finding tools, ask me about <geo sources.list> <apt-spy> <mirrors>. |
| 12:56.10 | raynerd | am I best just going to flash ? |
| 12:56.11 | babilen | !tell sary -about geo sources.list |
| 12:56.38 | babilen | !tell sary -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 12:56.41 | raynerd | but then will I need to go directly to adobe flash and download the package... :-S |
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| 12:57.55 | babilen | raynerd: No, you can install a Debian package that downloads the plugin from Adobe -- It will not keep itself up-to-date thoough. See "/msg dpkg adobe flash" (our bot told you about that earlier) and read http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 12:58.44 | babilen | raynerd: Note that you have to enable <contrib> in order to be able to install that package. You might also want to consider to enable the non-free suite as well. (/msg dpkg contrib -- /msg dpkg non-free sources) |
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| 12:58.57 | massmc | Hello. Anyone aware that the "Software sources" window in testing has a "Notify me of a new Ubuntu Version" checkbox |
| 12:59.05 | Albert954 | Hello, is xorg still using xorg.conf file ? |
| 12:59.19 | raynerd | I am slowly giving up on this .... ? |
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| 12:59.23 | raynerd | it means nothing to me. |
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| 13:01.18 | izual | babilen: problem fixed, thanks :) |
| 13:01.26 | benvei | hm, how can i say apt-get install that it shoudn't install rec packages? |
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| 13:01.55 | themill | benvei: "aptitude -R install packagename" |
| 13:02.14 | benvei | themill, there is no option with apt-get? |
| 13:02.20 | babilen | raynerd: Ok. Your Debian system is configured to install software from specific repositories. In order to be able to install the proprietary flash plugin you need to allow your system to install non-free software. Please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and I can give you a hand. |
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| 13:02.30 | themill | benvei: sure, it's man page will tell you about it... |
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| 13:07.06 | Enon | is there any panel exist in which I can do Disk Quota as well as Bandwidth Quota without Virtulisation? |
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| 13:12.48 | cedr | !apt-spy |
| 13:12.49 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 13:23.19 | amoxibos | i tried installing an app from eclipse install software - however errors were reported - where in debian do i find logs for eclipse-related errors? |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | in $HOME one would guess |
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| 13:28.30 | wooboodoo | Hi, |
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| 13:33.36 | sary | nsadmin, babilen, themill thank you guys. |
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| 13:35.35 | sary | now that i have cdn to be used , my last qustion is .. on which line should i add ' contrib non-free ' ? |
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| 13:37.57 | abrotman | sary: the deb lines, not deb-src |
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| 13:39.56 | sary | ive only add the 'non-free ' rebo to install the iwlwifi-firmware . |
| 13:41.22 | abrotman | you don't have to add contrib if you don't need stuff from it |
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| 13:42.38 | sary | abrotman: Great , but i also meant on which of the 3 sources lines .. all of them or just to a specific one. |
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| 13:43.08 | sary | Alright , noted .. i need to check whats the contrib is for. |
| 13:43.26 | SomeoneWeird | is there a program like winscp for debian, which i can right click and hit edit on a file, it opens it in its associated program, and auto uploads it back to the server when i save it? |
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| 13:44.25 | Albert954 | Hi, i installed fglrx-driver but xorg complain there is no fglrx module, the module is not present in /lib/module, ideas, there is no log file for this setup ? |
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| 13:45.03 | sary | SomeoneWeird: i do that using the ' connect to server ' option from places. |
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| 13:45.53 | abrotman | SomeoneWeird: i think kate can do that .. not sure |
| 13:46.04 | SomeoneWeird | hmm |
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| 13:48.41 | SomeoneWeird | can I save connection info using that sary? |
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| 13:49.35 | sary | SomeoneWeird: Yes , IIRC. |
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| 13:52.21 | sary | hope the the list is okay now , http://paste.debian.net/166136/ |
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| 13:54.32 | sary | Is is save to upgrade to wheezy ! .. i need to use Gnome 3 + Gnome-shell. |
| 13:54.38 | sary | !upgrade |
| 13:54.39 | dpkg | hmm... upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 13:55.01 | sary | !dist-upgrade |
| 13:55.02 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
| 13:55.42 | abrotman | sary: please msg the bot |
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| 13:58.08 | sary | !tell sary -about dist-upgrade |
| 13:59.38 | sary | abrotman: okay , excuse me for that , just getting to know how to use the bot. |
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| 14:07.18 | mindbender1 | how do I obtain detailed info about a user or group |
| 14:07.48 | simonp | mindbender1: a local user? grep username /etc/passwd |
| 14:08.08 | simonp | mindbender1: which details? |
| 14:08.35 | themill | mindbender1: getent passwd or getent group |
| 14:08.41 | mindbender1 | simonp: all details including shell access privileges and any special capabilities |
| 14:09.47 | themill | mindbender1: you might need to define what you mean by those things |
| 14:11.00 | cedr | Wouldn't `finger` show such things? |
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| 14:12.49 | simonp | cedr: you're right. But it's rarely installed these days. |
| 14:13.03 | cedr | Ah |
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| 14:14.22 | Petskull | hey |
| 14:14.39 | Petskull | debian liveusb comes up to cli, with no gui |
| 14:14.47 | Petskull | any ideas? |
| 14:15.36 | abrotman | your card isn't supported at all |
| 14:15.49 | Petskull | video card/. |
| 14:15.51 | Petskull | ? |
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| 14:18.25 | Petskull | should I be expecting a gui to come up, or is cli the desired functionality? |
| 14:18.57 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep video |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | erm .. grep VGA |
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| 14:20.15 | Petskull | hold no- let me not this here so I don't lose it: debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-standard.iso |
| 14:20.20 | Petskull | on* |
| 14:20.29 | Petskull | ok, rebooting into liveusb again |
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| 14:21.09 | Petskull | clicks enter at 'Live" |
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| 14:21.47 | Petskull | and.... back at 'user@debian:~$ prompt |
| 14:22.33 | abrotman | lspci -nn |grep VGA |
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| 14:24.00 | Petskull | abrotman, lspci -nn|grep VGA-->> VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GT] [10de:0426] (rev a1) |
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| 14:24.16 | Petskull | heh- I know- just narrating the steps |
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| 14:24.40 | abrotman | not sure if the livecd has the nvidia binary drivers |
| 14:24.49 | Petskull | hmm |
| 14:24.55 | Petskull | that's odd |
| 14:24.59 | mindbender1 | when a writer says "Don’t forget to lock access to the account!". what does he really mean. Is he saying to password protect or to disable shell access |
| 14:25.03 | Petskull | anyway to install them? |
| 14:25.23 | Petskull | (keeping in mind I'm running off the USB) |
| 14:26.09 | Petskull | so gdm-init isn't even available |
| 14:26.21 | Petskull | nor kdm |
| 14:26.30 | Innocentus | I tried to add a new user ssh - but there is already a group ssh |
| 14:26.39 | themill | mindbender1: "lock" generally means "passwd -l" |
| 14:26.49 | Innocentus | can I now add an user ssh-shell to group ssh or will the debian box blow up? |
| 14:26.56 | Petskull | if nvidia cards aren't available- what kind of cards are?? |
| 14:27.01 | Innocentus | the ssh group is appearently empty |
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| 14:27.07 | sary | i've just installed Debian off a usb from the live-cd , and my graphic card is nVidia one. |
| 14:27.10 | Innocentus | how can I list all users of a group? |
| 14:27.22 | themill | Innocentus: "adduser username ssh" |
| 14:27.30 | Innocentus | aha |
| 14:27.50 | Innocentus | themill: for what the group ssh is used? |
| 14:27.51 | mindbender1 | themill: is passwd-l enough to prevent unauthorized shell access to the account |
| 14:27.59 | Innocentus | themill: just for fun? |
| 14:28.42 | themill | Innocentus: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz (and you should not add users to that group) |
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| 14:28.45 | Petskull | abrotman, doing 'sudo apt-get install nvidia*' |
| 14:28.48 | Petskull | for the lulz |
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| 14:30.08 | themill | mindbender1: (a) you need to define what you mean by that (b) if it's what I think you mean, then that's fairly easy to check yourself |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | don't let me stop you |
| 14:30.15 | Innocentus | themill: oh, how can I list all users of a specific group? is a getent group enough? |
| 14:30.17 | Petskull | haha |
| 14:30.33 | abrotman | Innocentus: did you try it? |
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| 14:30.59 | Petskull | abrotman, installed some stuff, but didn't really do anything. Looking up now how to install nvidia drivers from the commandline |
| 14:31.03 | Innocentus | yes |
| 14:31.05 | Innocentus | ssh:x:105: |
| 14:31.11 | Innocentus | does this mean that group ssh is empty? |
| 14:32.00 | abrotman | !tell Innocentus about grounding |
| 14:32.07 | mindbender1 | themill: I meant to prevent unauthorized access via the account |
| 14:32.15 | jordanm | it means that no user is part of it as a supplmentary group. it may be a user's primary group |
| 14:32.55 | Innocentus | jordanm: oh - and how can I find out which users belong to group ssh? |
| 14:33.19 | mindbender1 | themill: so that anyone else except the user with the password can login |
| 14:33.22 | Innocentus | so complicated - getent group ssh |
| 14:33.34 | themill | mindbender1: umm... what? |
| 14:33.39 | Innocentus | how to get the users who use the group ssh primarily |
| 14:33.42 | mindbender1 | *no one else |
| 14:33.43 | Innocentus | *that |
| 14:33.58 | themill | mindbender1: how do you think password logins normally work? |
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| 14:34.50 | mindbender1 | themill: I hoped that when a user attempts to login with an account they are presented with a password prompt |
| 14:35.21 | themill | mindbender1: yes... that's what "login" means generally. |
| 14:35.43 | mindbender1 | but is it possible to test shelling into a box from the same box |
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| 14:36.58 | themill | mindbender1: one or both of us a very very confused now. Can you start again and try being as precise as you can about exactly what you want. (phrases like "prevent unauthorised access" aren't helping) |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | shelling? |
| 14:37.32 | jordanm | Innocentus: IFS=: read -r _ _ gid < <(getent group ssh); awk -vgid=$gid -F: '4 == gid { print $1}' < <(getent passwd $gid) |
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| 14:38.16 | jordanm | err, without the last $gid |
| 14:38.37 | mindbender1 | themill: I just don't want someone fron the internet flying into my system without my knowing it. Recently I have been experiencing blank screen and sudden reboots |
| 14:38.53 | mindbender1 | so I'm just trying to secure my system |
| 14:38.58 | abrotman | you think they're getting in while the system is POSTing ? |
| 14:39.04 | mindbender1 | and troubleshoot the problem |
| 14:39.15 | Innocentus | jordanm: but I used it with the last $gid - does it damage? |
| 14:39.31 | themill | mindbender1: that only requires you to set a good password yourself. |
| 14:39.37 | jordanm | Innocentus: no, but it will never provide the correct answer |
| 14:39.43 | jordanm | Innocentus: IFS=: read -r _ _ gid < <(getent group ssh); awk -vgid=$gid -F: '4 == gid { print $1}' < <(getent passwd) |
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| 14:39.56 | Innocentus | jordanm: when using IFS=: read -r _ _ gid < <(getent group ssh); awk -vgid=$gid -F: '4 == gid { print $1}' < <(getent passwd) |
| 14:39.59 | jordanm | Innocentus: IFS=: read -r _ _ gid < <(getent group ssh); awk -vgid=$gid -F: '$4 == gid { print $1 }' < <(getent passwd) |
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| 14:40.50 | Innocentus | jordanm: IFS=: read -r _ _ gid < <(getent group ssh); awk -vgid=$gid -F: '$4 == gid { print $1 }' < <(getent passwd) |
| 14:40.55 | Innocentus | jordanm: nothing is listed |
| 14:40.55 | mindbender1 | themill: so a strong password is all that's needed to prevent access from the internet |
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| 14:41.04 | Innocentus | jordanm: so group ssh isn't used by anone then |
| 14:41.24 | themill | mindbender1: I'm still not understanding what else you are looking for |
| 14:41.25 | jordanm | Innocentus: right, the sshd user is in "nogroup" be default |
| 14:41.34 | Innocentus | why |
| 14:41.48 | jordanm | why not? |
| 14:41.55 | Petskull | *sigh* I'ma go ahead and guess this is impossible |
| 14:41.58 | Innocentus | now I want to disable root for ssh - but then of course a replacement-user is needed |
| 14:42.03 | Innocentus | or I am locked out of server |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | you shouldn't be sshing as root anyway |
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| 14:42.35 | abrotman | !tell Innocentus about grounding |
| 14:43.48 | mindbender1 | themill: maybe I'll clear my head a bit and write again |
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| 14:44.09 | JohnEl | Can someone please tell me if it's possible to use XRESOLVE under iptables to block domain name ranges like *.akamaitechnologies.com ? |
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| 14:44.42 | jordanm | you want to block DNS requests for those names? |
| 14:46.40 | hjf | I'm trying to install grub for UEFI. I did: apt-get -y install grub-efi-amd64 but when i try grub-install /dev/sda i get an "Unrecognized option" error |
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| 14:54.20 | JohnEl | jordanm, all traffic to and from. |
| 14:54.38 | jordanm | JohnEl: iptables deals with IPs, not domain names |
| 14:54.52 | JohnEl | there is something called XRESOLVE that calls userland. |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | JohnEl: ask #netfilter |
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| 14:56.38 | JohnEl | ok thanks |
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| 15:24.21 | swombat | which image should I use for a kvm install, if I want to download it locally? (out of the images here: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ ) - under e.g. "cdrom", I see "xen" and "gtk" - I'm assuming I want the former, but I'm not using xen so not sure |
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| 15:24.37 | jmd | Apparently the GFDL is suddenly acceptable to debian again. How is this so? |
| 15:25.12 | jordanm | !gfdl |
| 15:25.13 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 15:25.16 | jordanm | "some cases" |
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| 15:26.09 | jmd | jordanm: 2006 was a long time ago. Why have they started including the FDL again? |
| 15:26.22 | themill | jmd: nothing has changed |
| 15:26.26 | abrotman | including where? |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | jmd: it's not acceptable .. it's an RC bug IIRC |
| 15:26.42 | jmd | autoconf for example. |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | jmd: the package? |
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| 15:28.01 | abrotman | jmd: which package specifically? which release of Debian ? |
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| 15:28.14 | themill | or more precisely, which files within the package |
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| 15:29.13 | karlpinc | jmd: The FDL is ok with no invariant sections. |
| 15:29.45 | Derick | Hello hello. I am looking for a place where I can download Debian Lenny; I want to test something with that old version. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ only shows 6 |
| 15:30.17 | abrotman | jmd: do you mean the autoconf-doc package? in non-free ? |
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| 15:30.28 | jordanm | !tell Derick about archive |
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| 15:32.16 | ladowacharpuny | How can I remote login on debian/xfce? from debian/xfce. There is something native what will send info - no images? |
| 15:32.39 | jordanm | ssh? |
| 15:32.52 | Innocentus | How can I force that all files and folders created / modified / etced by a SFTP-user (which goes via SSH) is belonging to group www-data? |
| 15:32.56 | Derick | jordanm: cheers |
| 15:33.01 | Innocentus | I thought about adding the user to www-data |
| 15:33.09 | ladowacharpuny | How can I remote login on X server debian/xfce? from debian/xfce. There is something native what will send info - no images? |
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| 15:33.42 | ladowacharpuny | Innocentus: change ftp user to www-data |
| 15:33.43 | jordanm | Innocentus: you can't really, but if the user is in the group, you can put setgid on directories |
| 15:34.12 | jordanm | ladowacharpuny: vnc? |
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| 15:37.12 | Innocentus | jordanm: and if the user got www-data as primary group? would it work then? |
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| 15:38.04 | jordanm | Innocentus: yes, but this is bad practice |
| 15:38.13 | jordanm | Innocentus: why does the www-data group need to own the files? |
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| 15:39.21 | Innocentus | jordanm: because otherwise the http server cannot serve the uploaded files? |
| 15:39.32 | jordanm | Innocentus: not true |
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| 15:39.44 | jordanm | Innocentus: the http server only needs to be able to read the files |
| 15:39.56 | nvz | Innocentus: its better to leave the web permissions up to the web server while maintaining the security of system permissions.. you do this for example by giving users their own www dir in their homes and using apache rules to control where that shows up on the domain |
| 15:40.00 | jordanm | execute if they are CGI scripts |
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| 15:40.09 | Innocentus | right |
| 15:40.22 | JohnEl | there a low mem footprint debian? |
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| 15:40.42 | Innocentus | another thing - to which group an user need to be member for being able to use SFTP? |
| 15:40.53 | jordanm | JohnEl: for a desktop? xfce |
| 15:41.01 | xand | Innocentus: there is no such requirement |
| 15:41.07 | Innocentus | ok |
| 15:41.08 | jordanm | Innocentus: any group, they just need a valid shell |
| 15:41.16 | JohnEl | well, i'm just looking for textmode. |
| 15:41.18 | nvz | !emdebian |
| 15:41.18 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:41.18 | Innocentus | I want a global FTP user which can access all user ftp htodcs |
| 15:41.33 | Innocentus | I use confixx and so each user directory got its own user as owner |
| 15:41.39 | JohnEl | i have debian on an 200 meg ram pc, but it's taking all ram. i don't need x11. |
| 15:42.00 | Innocentus | but if I now access with global ftp access, and change something, the ownership and permission is broken |
| 15:42.02 | nvz | JohnEl: you shouldnt have selected desktop system then.. X is not part of debian base |
| 15:42.34 | JohnEl | nvz: yeah, that's make sense if I said I was running X, which i didnt'. |
| 15:43.10 | jordanm | !tell JohnEl about free ram |
| 15:43.15 | nvz | you said you dont need x11 as though that were some sort of requirement for running debian |
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| 15:44.34 | Innocentus | but if I now access with global ftp access, and change something, the ownership and permission is broken |
| 15:45.03 | jordanm | how is it broken? when did we go from sftp to ftp? |
| 15:45.09 | jordanm | and what is "global"? |
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| 15:46.20 | unomystEz | hello, any solutions for having the keyboard and mouse of one terminal be able to control the inputs of another Xorg terminal on a different machine? |
| 15:46.39 | nvz | unomystEz: rdp |
| 15:46.40 | unomystEz | kind of like a software-based KVM |
| 15:46.49 | unomystEz | nvz: thanks |
| 15:46.54 | nvz | !info rfb |
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| 15:47.08 | abrotman | unomystEz: synergy2 |
| 15:47.13 | abrotman | !synergy |
| 15:47.13 | dpkg | Synergy is a client/server program for sharing a keyboard and mouse between multiple systems (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows). See /usr/share/doc/synergy/doc/autostart.html for details on starting synergyc/synergys from a <display manager>. http://synergy-foss.org/pm/projects/synergy/wiki/UserFAQ http://synergy-foss.org/ #synergy on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:47.42 | unomystEz | awesome |
| 15:47.45 | nvz | unomystEz: yes if they are sitting side by side, use synergy, else use rfb which is basically a vnc/rdp server that exports the running x display |
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| 15:47.57 | unomystEz | yeah, it's an Xorg to my TV and my desktop.. |
| 15:48.01 | unomystEz | I think synergy is the way to go |
| 15:48.02 | unomystEz | thanks man |
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| 15:48.11 | nvz | uses synergy all the time |
| 15:48.32 | nvz | you can even do it on IOS now IIRC I had it working with my itouch before |
| 15:48.37 | karlpinc | nvz: What's the advantage of rfb over x11vnc? |
| 15:49.06 | nvz | karlpinc: nfc I just know normal vnc packages create a new server |
| 15:49.07 | Innocentus | jordanm: when I want to do maintenance on user-separated websites, I have to login for each website - this is very time consuming |
| 15:49.14 | unomystEz | ha |
| 15:49.16 | Innocentus | jordanm: so I created an user which can access all user websites |
| 15:49.28 | abrotman | what could go wrong .. |
| 15:49.37 | jordanm | Innocentus: like root? |
| 15:49.46 | Innocentus | jordanm: but when I do changes with this new user, the ownership and permissions are broken |
| 15:49.59 | Innocentus | jordanm: because normally user web0 or web1 or whatever changed the file - and not user admin |
| 15:49.59 | jordanm | Innocentus: what is broken about them? |
| 15:50.51 | Innocentus | they cannot be read by apache, because the default permissions aren't read for group other |
| 15:51.11 | jordanm | then you have changed the default umask |
| 15:51.16 | karlpinc | nvz: X11vnc exports the existing X display. (All I can find is the krfb package, is that what you're talking about?) |
| 15:51.25 | Innocentus | better would it be to let the file being owned by the specific user |
| 15:51.40 | Innocentus | otherwise I have to set it by hand or by script - but this is not optimal |
| 15:51.43 | karlpinc | !tell Innocentus about upg |
| 15:52.41 | karlpinc | Innocentus: Although upg may not work with websites, since the files may already be in the www-data group, in which case you're stuck with acls. |
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| 15:52.54 | hhgbhkfdef | ciao |
| 15:52.57 | hhgbhkfdef | !list |
| 15:52.58 | dpkg | hhgbhkfdef: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:53.20 | karlpinc | likes the new factoid! |
| 15:53.35 | Innocentus | hm, thank you |
| 15:53.38 | pcormack | ahoy hoy |
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| 15:54.22 | JohnEl | anyone here use facebook? it looks like, besides alot of other things akamaitechnologies.com delievers pictures in facebook. i just wanted to verify. |
| 15:54.35 | JohnEl | I filtered them with the firewall, now all I get is text with facebook. |
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| 15:54.54 | frikinz_ | I'm getting bzip2 control sum errors on translation-en on http://ftp.fr.debian.org with aptitude. Any idea? |
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| 15:55.12 | frikinz_ | on main and non-free |
| 15:55.14 | karlpinc | frikinz_: Try another mirror? They do break on occasion. |
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| 15:55.40 | frikinz_ | karlpinc: ok I wanted to know if that happens sometimes. thanks |
| 15:55.57 | themill | frikinz_: do you have the bzip2 package installed? |
| 15:56.15 | xiong | Good morning. I had a machine fail; I have the drive out of it and I'm in the midst of burning the old drive to DVD, installing a new system to a new machine, and figuring out what to copy from old to new. |
| 15:56.23 | frikinz_ | themill: yes. thank god :) |
| 15:56.42 | xiong | Both are Debian-based systems -- or will be; the new machine is not yet installed. |
| 15:56.43 | themill | frikinz_: ok -- just checking. You can get very very wierd errors when you don't. |
| 15:56.48 | frikinz_ | I was wondering cause I also got previously dropped packet when sshing to a server and suddenly it began working |
| 15:57.09 | karlpinc | xiong: Debian-based or Debian? This channel is for Debian only. |
| 15:57.11 | frikinz_ | themill: yes np. |
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| 15:58.19 | xiong | karlpinc, Where should I go for this weird tricky stuff? I'm going to try to linux-linux dual boot between two Debian-based systems. If this isn't the right place, I'll be happy to move to the right one. |
| 15:59.02 | karlpinc | xiong: What distro? |
| 15:59.03 | frikinz_ | not sure where these translation things are on the server, I'd actually like to check by myself if the file is really broken through a browser |
| 15:59.16 | xiong | karlpinc, I haven't decided. |
| 15:59.36 | karlpinc | xiong: If you use plain debian you can ask here. Otherwise you go to support for your chosen distro. |
| 15:59.39 | frikinz_ | ah got them |
| 15:59.40 | xiong | I'm not sure it's relevant; I'm not concerned about setting the wallpaper. |
| 16:00.02 | karlpinc | xiong: If you want general help you could try #linux |
| 16:00.12 | xiong | Sorry; I'm not making myself clear. I will have... two different distros booting on the same machine, if I win. |
| 16:00.52 | xiong | The only certain thing is that they will both be Debian-based, since I'm not going to turn into a Red Hat. |
| 16:01.19 | frikinz_ | hum it works with firefox. strange |
| 16:01.27 | frikinz_ | file has correct checksum |
| 16:01.56 | karlpinc | frikinz_: Try again? Could it be fixed? (You might also clear your cache. aptitude clean) |
| 16:02.26 | frikinz_ | I cleared before the lists dir. gonna try again |
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| 16:03.46 | frikinz_ | hum fixed :) I'll blame the router or just the nsa spying on me. |
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| 16:04.49 | frikinz_ | the file didn't change since 2 hours on the the server |
| 16:05.18 | karlpinc | frikinz_: Possible disk corruption on your end? |
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| 16:06.56 | frikinz_ | karlpinc: yes I also wondered. zip crc failure is sometimes this or virus but virus is past :) |
| 16:07.10 | frikinz_ | anyway. solved. thanks |
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| 16:09.13 | frikinz_ | 80 upgraded packages a day. unstable is moving fast lately. nice |
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| 16:24.48 | Grimmycakes | Is anybody here? |
| 16:24.51 | Rapunzel | yeah |
| 16:25.05 | Grimmycakes | My users are running xchat. And whenever somebody types ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾ |
| 16:25.07 | Grimmycakes | They crash? |
| 16:25.33 | Rapunzel | what the heck |
| 16:25.42 | Rapunzel | my brother just dropped off the channel |
| 16:25.47 | Rapunzel | dude i hate you |
| 16:25.49 | Grimmycakes | ._. |
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| 16:32.55 | Devastator | Rapunzel most likely irc server under attack |
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| 16:33.40 | hoverbear | Anyone know why I can't seem to copy from gvim and paste to another program? :S |
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| 16:38.46 | abrotman | hoverbear: what methods have you tried? |
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| 16:40.07 | hoverbear | abrotman: Selecting the text in visual mode, then yanking with "+y and "*y |
| 16:40.39 | abrotman | in another program? |
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| 16:40.53 | hoverbear | Ctrl P in Chrome |
| 16:40.58 | hoverbear | Er, v |
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| 16:42.18 | abrotman | did you try highlighting in gvim ? |
| 16:42.28 | abrotman | the yy/p only works in vim |
| 16:42.31 | abrotman | your WM won't know aboutit |
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| 16:44.41 | hoverbear | abrotman: :S Alright. I'll poke around more |
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| 16:46.09 | abrotman | i just told you how ? |
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| 16:51.37 | raynerd | guys, I`m still learning and I`m trying to install flash. I`ve installed flashplugin-nonfree by typing "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and that seemed to do something!! In the instructions, it says to update "# update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" but when I type that, I get no output in terminal...am I doing something wrong? |
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| 16:52.11 | abrotman | it means it's up to date |
| 16:52.21 | abrotman | or as far as i can tell anyway |
| 16:52.28 | raynerd | oh fair enough. Thought I would get some sort of output |
| 16:53.25 | raynerd | well it seems to have worked! At last, feel like I`m getting somewhere :-D |
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| 16:55.34 | jarn | hi, my audio is acting weird, I purged pulseaudio which seemed to have solved the problem, but now problems are back, I think OSS is taking over from ALSA at times, does this make sense and is there a way to purge OSS |
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| 17:03.38 | prefixed | what does this mean |
| 17:03.39 | prefixed | (101)Network is unreachable: connect to listener on [::]:80 |
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| 17:19.49 | samantha--a- | is there a cli utility that will allow me to find and list duplicate files, as checked by md5, in an entire directory tree? |
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| 17:20.07 | prefixed | anyone?\ |
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| 17:20.15 | abrotman | fdupes |
| 17:21.13 | nvz | prefixed: I'd say it means you don't know how to read a log.. thats more than likely the warning, the error is the part you ignored |
| 17:21.23 | abrotman | samantha--a-: fdupes |
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| 17:21.40 | prefixed | nvz I can connect to network |
| 17:21.48 | prefixed | http is running just rine right now |
| 17:22.29 | prefixed | I can connect to the server in question via http / ssh |
| 17:22.38 | prefixed | so I'm not clear on *what* the issue is |
| 17:22.50 | nvz | the issue seems to be you thinking a warning is an error |
| 17:22.54 | merfy | hello.I don't know a thing about debian package manager.Where are the precompiled packaged saved?I mean the path? |
| 17:23.08 | prefixed | nvz ok. so how do I clear up the warning then? |
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| 17:23.24 | nvz | probably remove where it says :80 in your configs |
| 17:24.03 | abrotman | merfy: the packages or the binaries? |
| 17:24.08 | merfy | the binaries |
| 17:24.11 | prefixed | I have *:80 in my configs |
| 17:24.18 | prefixed | that's pretty standard stuff |
| 17:24.28 | nvz | pretty standard for generating such warnings |
| 17:24.36 | abrotman | merfy: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 17:24.56 | merfy | abrotman: i have a friend and he wants to fetch some binaries from a maching with internet to another with no internet. |
| 17:25.06 | abrotman | merfy: that's different .. |
| 17:25.11 | prefixed | nvz I have never seen this warning before, and I have used the *:80 apache config for years |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | merfy: fetch the packages .. use wget .. then use dpkgto install them |
| 17:25.21 | prefixed | so please stop being facetous |
| 17:25.43 | nvz | then stop being so vague and asking us to troubleshoot things that are not a problem |
| 17:25.48 | merfy | abrotman: can't he use apt-get -d package to do that? |
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| 17:26.07 | abrotman | merfy: sure .. so what's the problem then ? get them from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 17:26.18 | prefixed | nvz it is a problem because I suspect that this issue is leading to slower connections on the server in question. |
| 17:26.21 | nvz | warnings are able to be ignored, and if not, then they need to be fixed by doing things the way the new software does them |
| 17:26.41 | merfy | abrotman: thanks , and with apt-get -s can he see the dependencies he needs for the package? |
| 17:26.46 | themill | nvz: do we know that this is a warning and not an error? |
| 17:27.02 | prefixed | nvz I am not using any new software. I simply rebooted my server, and now I see this error |
| 17:27.15 | abrotman | merfy: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 17:27.16 | nvz | themill: well he has said it works, and googling shows many people with that error as a result of ambiguous configuration |
| 17:27.19 | merfy | abrotman: he needs wireless-tools and i think wireless-tools needs sed |
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| 17:27.43 | abrotman | merfy: he likely already has sed . he can check with dpkg -l |
| 17:27.56 | themill | nvz: that's entirely different to you badgering him like that... providing him with that information would be sufficient |
| 17:30.13 | merfy | abrotman: what is the apt-zip? |
| 17:30.29 | merfy | sorry for my ignorance but i don't have a clue on debian pm. |
| 17:30.35 | abrotman | merfy: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
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| 17:32.55 | prefixed | ok, so I cannot ping localhost on my own server. |
| 17:33.00 | prefixed | what gives? |
| 17:33.07 | xand | iptables? |
| 17:33.17 | prefixed | ifup lo |
| 17:33.33 | ladowacharpuny | How can I remote login on X server debian/xfce? from debian/xfce. There is something native what will send info - no images? |
| 17:33.53 | prefixed | hm |
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| 17:33.59 | merfy | abrotman: when he cp the binaries to /var/cache/apt/archives before he does the apt-install package does he needs to do anything else? |
| 17:34.01 | prefixed | that's odd |
| 17:34.10 | prefixed | an ifdown followed by an ifup worked |
| 17:35.44 | abrotman | merfy: you're confused .. cpoy the packages, not hte binaries |
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| 17:38.02 | merfy | abrotman: i am probably. He needs one package to make the wireless card to work.Wireless-tools and a zyd firmware.So he does need to fetch the binaries of the wireless-tools package and its deps (from a pc with internet) and mv these binaries to the machine with no internet, right? |
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| 17:38.33 | ladowacharpuny | How can I remote login on X server debian/xfce? from debian/xfce. There is something native what will send info - no images? |
| 17:40.00 | xand | ladowacharpuny: what does your second sentence mean? |
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| 17:41.19 | TheWarden | Hi, how do I add a menu item to the Gnome menu for all users? |
| 17:41.40 | prefixed | nvz for the record, you were wrong |
| 17:41.43 | TheWarden | I was able to add a menu item but it only shows up under my account not the other users' accounts. |
| 17:41.52 | prefixed | the warning was occuring because lo wasn't up |
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| 17:45.48 | samantha--a- | only 97000 files to check. 2.4TB. i think i'll take a nap while it runs. |
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| 17:52.02 | kqr | or rather, how can i make it expand the variable first and then perform globbing, instead of just assuming its a variable and therefore shouldn't be globbed? |
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| 17:55.42 | peterrooney | kqr: bash does have array capability. also, /join #bash if the man page is insufficient. |
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| 17:56.08 | nevyn | peterrooney: but not n dimensional arrays. (which ksh has) sadtimes |
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| 17:56.24 | kqr | peterrooney, right, thanks |
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| 18:06.48 | multi_io | great, my apt DB seems to be broken: Any apt* command just reports "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of.\n E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 18:07.08 | multi_io | happened from one second to the other during a package installation. |
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| 18:07.48 | multi_io | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.22 | multi_io | replacing /var/lib/dpkg/status with a backup from a few months ago DOES NOT solve the problem. |
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| 18:15.05 | multi_io | hm, removing a few lines from /etc/apt/sources.list does resolve it (at the cost of not having those lines anymore) |
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| 18:39.07 | ladowacharpuny | hi, http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=625 - how can i select now some theme? |
| 18:39.10 | ladowacharpuny | How can I remote login on X server debian/xfce? from debian/xfce. There is something native what will send info - no images? |
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| 18:48.15 | hoverbear | Okay, so I can yank from vim(cli) and paste to other things... But I cannot yank from gvim and paste to other applications |
| 18:49.29 | cusco | is gvim gui ? |
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| 18:49.50 | cusco | you can select and use X paste method, middle click |
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| 19:03.29 | raptor67782 | a question. how to burn an ISO with groisofs to /dev/sr0? |
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| 19:04.55 | karlpinc | raptor67782: wodim? |
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| 19:06.33 | raptor67782 | oh yeah wodim |
| 19:06.46 | raptor67782 | I did ln -s growisofs wodim or other way :) |
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| 19:19.21 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.26 | raptor67782 | is it a bug? |
| 19:19.32 | raptor67782 | bash cannot burn iso dvd? |
| 19:20.33 | nsadmin | why would bash be able to burn? |
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| 19:28.19 | nsadmin | write failed: Invalid argument |
| 19:29.46 | nsadmin | invalid argument is usually thrown by ioctl to mean a message code is not supported by ioctl, which in turn usually means software is missing. |
| 19:29.52 | nsadmin | perhaps in your kernel |
| 19:33.02 | nsadmin | raptor67782, oh well... you don't seem to be listening (and this started less than one minute after you posted) |
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| 19:59.11 | gandaro_ | hi, I want to change my system from stable to testing, do I have to change squeeze to wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:59.16 | gandaro_ | oder "testing"? |
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| 19:59.21 | afuentes | im a little confused... i want apt to auto update and to autodownload packages... should i remove comments from /etc/cron.daily/apt or add lines to /etc/apt/conf.d/50unnatended |
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| 20:01.21 | gandaro_ | never mind http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566010 |
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| 20:06.24 | ladowacharpuny | how can i multicopy like a boss? - cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/*/ |
| 20:06.33 | babilen | gandaro_: It depends -- Do you want to keep on using testing after wheezy has been released? Also note that only a small subset of repositories for stable are relevant for testing. |
| 20:06.58 | sary | from where can i otain the testing/whezzy iso images ? |
| 20:06.59 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: mmv? |
| 20:07.05 | ladowacharpuny | mvv? |
| 20:07.07 | ladowacharpuny | mmv? |
| 20:07.23 | gandaro_ | I want to use Wheezy after it has been released |
| 20:07.38 | nsadmin | may vary voratiously? |
| 20:07.44 | ladowacharpuny | how |
| 20:07.48 | babilen | sary: You don't really -- The recommended way is to install stable and take it from there. (If at all) -- Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and check irc.oftc.net's #debian-next |
| 20:07.54 | babilen | ,i mmv |
| 20:07.55 | judd | Package mmv (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Move/Copy/Append/Link multiple files. Version: 1.01b-15; Size: 24.7k; Installed: 84k |
| 20:07.58 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: ^^^ |
| 20:08.20 | nsadmin | gandaro_, ok |
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| 20:08.34 | ladowacharpuny | co |
| 20:08.40 | ladowacharpuny | so |
| 20:08.42 | ladowacharpuny | mmv /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/*/ |
| 20:08.42 | ladowacharpuny | ? |
| 20:08.46 | babilen | gandaro_: In that case you want to use "wheezy" in your sources.list and don't mix it with sid ... |
| 20:08.54 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: Install the package and read the manpage of mmv please |
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| 20:09.17 | tehrabbitt | hey, anyone know if btrfs is stable yet to be used? |
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| 20:09.43 | sary | the thing is , i left my debian box to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and came back to find the connection was dropped .. the upgrade is messed-up! |
| 20:09.51 | nsadmin | tehrabbitt, kernels support that |
| 20:10.00 | babilen | sary: always upgrade in a screen/tmux session |
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| 20:10.42 | babilen | tehrabbitt: I wouldn't use btrfs for anything important |
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| 20:10.59 | sary | babilen: thank you. |
| 20:11.01 | babilen | sary: Can't you continue the upgrade? What exactly is "messed up" ? |
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| 20:11.04 | tehrabbitt | babilen: so still no fsck tool? |
| 20:11.05 | tehrabbitt | heh |
| 20:11.19 | babilen | AFAIK no, but ask #btrfs they probably know best :) |
| 20:11.36 | sary | babilen: hmm, never done that before. i should try it out .. |
| 20:12.03 | ladowacharpuny | babilen: there is no examples |
| 20:12.05 | tehrabbitt | babilen: alrighty lol... trying to figure out if I should just stick with JFS like I usually do or if I should look into btrfs |
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| 20:12.14 | babilen | sary: I am not saying that doing so is a good idea (it most likely is not) -- but you should always work in a screen/tmux session when doing these things anyway. |
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| 20:12.44 | tehrabbitt | hey jelly-home |
| 20:13.20 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: "mmv moves (or copies, appends, or links, as specified) each source file matching a from pattern to the target name specified by the to pattern" |
| 20:13.22 | mekeor | do you know the game "speed dreams"? i want to install it using debian gnu/linux testing. the website of the game states that https://launchpad.net/~speed-dreams/+archive/ppa (a ubuntu-PPA) is meant for debian- and ubuntu-users. but how to/can_i use it under debian? |
| 20:13.46 | ladowacharpuny | how can i just cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/*/ |
| 20:13.47 | ladowacharpuny | ? |
| 20:14.43 | tehrabbitt | stupid question, is there anything like ZFS for debian or it's not really supported yet? |
| 20:15.05 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny, try iterating on /home/* |
| 20:15.14 | babilen | mekeor: I wouldn't recommend installing from PPA's -- It is probably a much better idea to just compile the software locally and install it to /usr/local. Even better: Manage installations to /usr/local with stow. Please also read "/msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage -- /msg dpkg usrlocal" |
| 20:15.16 | mekeor | ladowacharpuny: cd /home; find -type d -exec cp /etc/skel/.bashrc {} \; ## try it with care! i didn't try it. no guarantee! |
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| 20:15.27 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: More or less like that. Have you read mmv's manpage already? |
| 20:16.07 | mekeor | babilen++ |
| 20:16.11 | mekeor | thanks, babilen |
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| 20:16.21 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: I think that "mmv /etc/skel/* /home/*" should do what you want but *please* spend some time reading and figuring out how to use that tool. I haven't used it in ages and I will take to responsibility if that educated guess is wrong. |
| 20:16.22 | ladowacharpuny | nothing work |
| 20:16.31 | ladowacharpuny | i dont wanna move skel |
| 20:16.39 | ladowacharpuny | just 1 file and folder |
| 20:16.55 | ladowacharpuny | i know "mmv /etc/skel/* /home/*" just can't work |
| 20:17.02 | ladowacharpuny | without test |
| 20:17.03 | babilen | Why not? |
| 20:17.13 | ladowacharpuny | because it have nonsens |
| 20:17.19 | ladowacharpuny | without / on end |
| 20:17.27 | babilen | Right :) |
| 20:18.16 | babilen | Looks as if "mmv /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/*/.bashrc" would work nicely though -- But mekeor's solution works as well. Its just that mmv popped into my mind. |
| 20:18.44 | ladowacharpuny | but there is .vimrc and .vim folder |
| 20:19.12 | ladowacharpuny | this program is hard and stupid |
| 20:19.17 | ladowacharpuny | with nonsesne wildcards |
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| 20:19.44 | ladowacharpuny | this is just simple example as hell and noone know how do it |
| 20:19.46 | mekeor | babilen: so, actually, i don't necessarily need stow, right? i could also just compile it, correct? |
| 20:19.49 | ladowacharpuny | because this program is shit |
| 20:19.52 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny, perhaps the reason it doesn't make sense to you yet is you have not read the man page? |
| 20:19.59 | nsadmin | just a thought... |
| 20:20.11 | ladowacharpuny | man of this program is like |
| 20:20.13 | ladowacharpuny | RFC |
| 20:20.24 | cedr | nsadmin: how are those nameservers going? :p |
| 20:20.24 | ladowacharpuny | noone know how, but when know how then understand |
| 20:20.42 | nsadmin | which ones? |
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| 20:20.51 | mekeor | ladowacharpuny: did you try my advice? huh? |
| 20:20.55 | babilen | mekeor: Sure -- stow is only a tool that allows you to install software to /usr/local/stow/foo and it sets symlinks. That allows you to easily remove/install sets of files that belong to the same software. It just makes it easier to track manual installations and is by no means a prerequisite. |
| 20:21.25 | mekeor | babilen++ |
| 20:21.30 | mekeor | babilen: you're great man! |
| 20:21.33 | ladowacharpuny | mekeor: i have there other files |
| 20:21.39 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny, what happens when you do: for i in /home/*; do echo $i; done |
| 20:21.44 | ladowacharpuny | i know how write scripts |
| 20:21.46 | mekeor | ladowacharpuny: where? |
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| 20:21.55 | ladowacharpuny | but i wanna do it easy |
| 20:22.00 | ladowacharpuny | and i dont know why cp command can't do it |
| 20:22.16 | babilen | ladowacharpuny: What exactly do you want to do? Copy /etc/skel/.bashrc into the home directory of each user? |
| 20:22.49 | sary | babilen: on the 2nd attempt to upgrade with " sudo aptitude full-upgrade " am forced to to one of 3 options " Keep the following packages at their current version " which are not installed yet , Leave the following dependencies unresolved, and the worst option to remove a lot of packages . |
| 20:23.08 | babilen | !tell sary -about abt |
| 20:23.11 | babilen | !tell sary -about bat |
| 20:23.14 | babilen | sary: Show me please |
| 20:23.20 | nsadmin | looks like you're getting help and not accepting it... In the words of the great Pet Detective, allllllll righteyyyyyy thennnnn.... |
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| 20:23.30 | mekeor | ladowacharpuny: do you want to copy that .bashrc into the home dir of all users, or do you want to find a "easy" solution to that issue? |
| 20:23.37 | nsadmin | good luck with that |
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| 20:23.52 | babilen | sary: You can typically also cycle through different solutions by answering "n" to aptitude. I would, however, recommend to use "apt-get" for this. |
| 20:24.04 | mekeor | ladowacharpuny: oh, btw. you could also try #bash, if you use bash. (or #zsh.) |
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| 20:24.50 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny: here's a suggestion... find one way that works whether you understand it or not, then come to understand it later |
| 20:24.52 | sary | babilen: am trying to pastebin ! .. but my connection is so bad. |
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| 20:25.38 | nsadmin | and STOP blaming people if cp doesn't do precisely what you want. Instead, get the cp source and alter it |
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| 20:26.14 | sary | babilen: Alright , so i could try apt-get full-upgrade , or dist-upgrade ! also can i continue the upgrade from saynaptic or upgrade manager ? |
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| 20:26.54 | babilen | I would never consider to perform this in a graphical environment let alone using synaptic for that. |
| 20:27.07 | nsadmin | sary, what continue? isn't that it? |
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| 20:27.33 | sary | babilen: noted. |
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| 20:28.23 | sary | nsadmin: i was upgrading , and then my connection dropped .. |
| 20:29.53 | nsadmin | sary, while it was downloading? |
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| 20:30.58 | ladowacharpuny | how can i exec awk -F: '{ if ( $3 >= 1000 && $7 == "/bin/bash" ) print "chown " $3":"$4,$6}' /etc/passwd |
| 20:31.04 | ladowacharpuny | no print, just exec |
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| 20:31.24 | sary | nsadmin: correct. |
| 20:31.29 | ratatata | nu |
| 20:31.45 | peterrooney | ladowacharpuny: awk has the ability to run commands internally - system(), IIRC |
| 20:31.47 | babilen | sary: That shouldn't be problematic at all. |
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| 20:32.16 | ladowacharpuny | but how |
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| 20:33.36 | DelTree | :) |
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| 20:34.57 | ladowacharpuny | ? |
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| 20:37.16 | I_Died_Once | hey, can someone suggest a program that can take a one frame snapshot and create a .png image from a .mp4 movie file? |
| 20:38.04 | I_Died_Once | a screenshot of the movie, maybe |
| 20:38.08 | I_Died_Once | not sure how to go about this |
| 20:38.33 | I_Died_Once | or where the appropriate place to turn to get pointed in the right direction |
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| 20:39.22 | dokma | anyone knows where on debian is c++ function reference? |
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| 20:40.01 | peterrooney | ladowacharpuny: glossing over the parsing of /etc/passwd, there's no need for a command to be "if" in awk: |
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| 20:40.18 | peterrooney | awk -F: ' $3 >= 1000 && $7 == "/bin/bash" { string = "chown -R " $stuff; system(string); } ' |
| 20:40.45 | jordanm | !tell ladowacharpuny about cross-post |
| 20:40.55 | jordanm | ladowacharpuny: please stop doing that |
| 20:42.06 | gandaro_ | is it usual to have squeeze/updates in a wheezy /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:42.29 | gandaro_ | "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 20:42.53 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny, you're not being clear on what you want to accomplish... you're just asking how you can exec a command... and since I'm confused as to what you want, all I can say so far is "type it in and hit enter" |
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| 20:43.32 | jordanm | the answer was eval, but he is taking the wrong approach and asking in multiple channels, even when he is already getting help |
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| 20:44.07 | nsadmin | don't you want to print the $6, and put that in a for? |
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| 20:44.44 | peterrooney | no fooling. there's uninformed, and then there's rude. |
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| 20:45.06 | nsadmin | and then there was both |
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| 20:50.02 | gandaro_ | I have wireless-tools installed, but iwconfig is not available... |
| 20:50.08 | gandaro_ | But it was, before I installed it |
| 20:50.11 | gandaro_ | ?! |
| 20:50.39 | gandaro_ | The Wiki article about iwconfig said, it was part of wireless-tools |
| 20:51.42 | isosphere | I'd like to "soft boot" my Debian machine, i.e.: end all services and user processes and start them again rather than booting from absolute scratch. Easy? |
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| 20:52.08 | isosphere | gandaro_: are you root |
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| 20:55.23 | peterrooney | isosphere: telinit might help you |
| 20:56.23 | peterrooney | isosphere: I would be surprised (and pleased) if the telinit method could be automated. |
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| 20:59.56 | gandaro_ | isosphere: no |
| 21:00.06 | gandaro_ | so iwconfig is in /usr/sbin? |
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| 21:01.19 | isosphere | gandaro_: I don't know, but I think you have to be root to use it |
| 21:01.31 | isosphere | peterrooney: thanks, I'll check that out :) |
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| 21:02.02 | gandaro_ | isosphere: I will try that when I am done with my GNOME download |
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| 21:03.28 | isosphere | I broke my system a little with a badly typed command and found it an excellent opportunity for learning :) |
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| 21:08.07 | peterrooney | isosphere: breaking things teaches well. |
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| 21:08.36 | sary | babilen: just so that you know , am still trying to pastbin with this awful connection. |
| 21:09.12 | sary | but agian , thank you for your support , and nsadmin :) |
| 21:09.28 | peterrooney | isosphere: After taking down an email server twice in three months, Senior Guy said "you didn't do it the same way this time, so you're learning." |
| 21:09.52 | babilen | sary: Sure -- Is there something we could do that could make it easier? |
| 21:10.22 | nsadmin | sary, what would you like to pastebin? |
| 21:10.34 | isosphere | peterrooney: :) |
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| 21:11.49 | sary | apt-get shows a different output from aptitude full-upgrade. |
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| 21:12.57 | nsadmin | sary, see if you can... aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 21:14.05 | sary | babilen: you guys was kind enough to support and clear things out .. i blame the bad awful connection on my part. |
| 21:14.16 | sary | nsadmin: will do . |
| 21:14.30 | nsadmin | then, we'll use that to try to pastebin |
| 21:14.50 | nsadmin | the package installs an executable called nopaste |
| 21:15.01 | nsadmin | I guess it's written in perl :) |
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| 21:16.06 | nsadmin | then anything you pipe into it (like: ls | nopaste) will be pastebinned to one of those pastebin sites, and it will tell you the url where it pastebinned |
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| 21:16.50 | babilen | sary: Just set "NOPASTE_SERVICES='Debian'" and you can paste by running "cmd | nopaste" or "nopaste /path/to/file" and it'll be pasted to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 21:19.51 | ryao | Have the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD developers built btxld on Linux? |
| 21:19.59 | nsadmin | the pythong channel has a bot that looks for pastes and if it sees one from pastebin.com it copies it to another site |
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| 21:20.11 | __zero | is there any command to escape lines? I'm using find to list some files but it prints them with spaces and no escaping |
| 21:20.44 | nsadmin | how do you mean excape? |
| 21:21.04 | nsadmin | you could consider -print0 |
| 21:21.13 | sary | nsadmin: thats brilliant , but i ran inot another situation with dependencies trying to install "libapp-nopaste-perl" |
| 21:21.25 | __zero | nsadmin: like "this is something" turned to "this\ is\ something" |
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| 21:21.44 | nsadmin | so you want it to escape the spacers |
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| 21:22.01 | nsadmin | sounds like a good video game title |
| 21:22.06 | __zero | and any other weird characters |
| 21:22.35 | __zero | nsadmin: -print0 looks ok I think |
| 21:22.41 | nsadmin | sary, oh, ok... do you have netcat (nc)? |
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| 21:23.04 | nsadmin | you will need something that accepts -print0 output |
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| 21:24.12 | nsadmin | some commands (like xargs) will have a switch for the 0 byte |
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| 21:26.29 | sary | nsadmin: no , not installed .. should i grab it! |
| 21:26.50 | nsadmin | well I guess we need to solve your situation first |
| 21:27.08 | nsadmin | try: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 21:27.30 | nsadmin | htat does something? nothing? |
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| 21:30.15 | sary | nsadmin: does nothing. |
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| 21:30.38 | nsadmin | ok, try this: aptitude -f install |
| 21:30.42 | nsadmin | that do anything? |
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| 21:31.26 | nsadmin | (if dpkg --configure --pending does nothing, that means all the packages you have so far are configured) |
| 21:32.55 | sary | nsadmin: -f install return the same output of aptitude full-upgrade. |
| 21:33.17 | sary | BRB. |
| 21:33.21 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 21:33.56 | nsadmin | you might have mixed sources |
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| 21:39.08 | gandaro_ | isosphere: thanks! |
| 21:39.12 | gandaro_ | isosphere: sudo iwconfig works |
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| 21:41.23 | boudiccas | i'm currently dragging and dropping hundred of little mp3's onto a data disc for k3b, but its taking forver and there must be an easier way, can anyone help me find it please? |
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| 21:42.15 | boudiccas | i'm going to burn a dvd of them so theres plenty of space but its very tedious dragging and dropping them, on gnome with squeeze |
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| 21:42.24 | nsadmin | boudiccas, where are the mp3s currently stored? |
| 21:42.53 | boudiccas | nsadmin: /home/boztu/Music/IrishCeltic |
| 21:43.21 | pem3v78 | boudiccas, you terminal to create the iso image! |
| 21:43.27 | pem3v78 | s/you/use |
| 21:43.30 | nsadmin | and that's on your hd? |
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| 21:43.51 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, all on the only h/d |
| 21:44.19 | nsadmin | and you want all the mp3s in ~/Music? |
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| 21:44.38 | boudiccas | no, just in the irishceltic directory |
| 21:45.21 | nsadmin | do you have others already dragon dropped from elsewhere? |
| 21:45.27 | pem3v78 | boudiccas, mkisofs is probably a hammer but a good one |
| 21:45.52 | EmleyMoor | pem3v78: genisoimage ITYM |
| 21:45.52 | mmnicola1 | Anyone aware of an issue with brasero on squeeze ? I'm unable to copy disc to disc or even to an image file, options are greyed out, keeps asking to insert a compatible media, but it's a simple data dvd... :( |
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| 21:46.01 | boudiccas | nsadmin: i have other mp3s which i dont want to backup at the moment, just the ones in the irishceltic directory |
| 21:46.18 | nsadmin | and you want -all- of those? |
| 21:46.26 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes |
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| 21:46.47 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: genisoimage will let you make an .iso from the contents of a directory, quite easily |
| 21:47.06 | nsadmin | ok, that sounds like a very easy task for EmleyMoor and pem3v78'a auffwariona |
| 21:47.18 | nsadmin | suggestions |
| 21:47.38 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: but i dont want an iso,i just want them copied to a dvd so i can listen to them using rhythmbox without having them on my h/d |
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| 21:48.01 | nsadmin | boudiccas, it does that anyway first |
| 21:48.04 | EmleyMoor | genisoimage -o ~/irishceltic.iso /full/path/to/dir - then use wodim to put the result to a disc |
| 21:48.31 | nsadmin | you would burn the iso then rm it |
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| 21:49.37 | nsadmin | I have CDs with isos of mp3s in various directories in the iso... they play in my car :) |
| 21:49.42 | pem3v78 | and before you burn just check it with 'mount -t loop /path/to/file.iso directory' if everything is in the proper place |
| 21:50.07 | nsadmin | that last is a very good idea |
| 21:50.16 | pem3v78 | sorry 'mount -o loop ....' |
| 21:50.40 | boudiccas | nsadmin: let me see if i've understood you. i create an iso of my mp3s, save it to h/d, and then save it to my dvd. once thats done and verified that its still readable, delete the original iso on th eh/d? |
| 21:50.59 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 21:51.16 | nsadmin | you'll still have the mp3s in ~/Music |
| 21:51.22 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: You can. I recommend keeping at least TWO copies, but that's the basics |
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| 21:52.27 | boudiccas | nsadmin: the final step will eb to delete the mp3s from the h/d to creat space for the next batch of mp3s |
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| 21:53.29 | nsadmin | just remember... it turns out that cds/dvds don't necessarily last unless you -really- take care of them |
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| 21:59.54 | boudiccas | nsadmin: i store my cd/dvd's on shelves stacked vertically , like .....///// ...... in a darkened room under reasonable comfortable warm room. So far they've lasted me several years |
| 22:00.33 | nsadmin | cool :) |
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| 22:00.56 | boudiccas | nsadmin: and i forgot to say that each cd/dvd is in its own plastic sleeve to protect it against scrathces |
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| 22:01.19 | nsadmin | very good, that's how to do it |
| 22:01.52 | nsadmin | I don't do that -every- time... and I've occasionally suffered because of it |
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| 22:08.26 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: i have tried .... genisoimage -o ~/irishceltic.iso /home/boztu/Music/Irish Celtic Music Collection Version 2/ |
| 22:08.27 | boudiccas | with the result of ..... genisoimage: No such file or directory. Invalid node - '/home/boztu/Music/Irish'. |
| 22:08.27 | boudiccas | i've checked and genosoimage is installed and is the latest version but am unable to proceed further |
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| 22:09.36 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: Put \ before each space in "Irish Celtic Music Collection Version 2 |
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| 22:11.16 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.56 | EmleyMoor | Yes... the \ makes the spaces be treated as significant, rather thasn just whitespace |
| 22:12.09 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: ok, thanks |
| 22:13.22 | cedr | you could also use 'quotes', ne? |
| 22:13.39 | EmleyMoor | cedr: Quite possibly... |
| 22:14.13 | MarkoHeijnen | Hey, anyone knows when debian will by default will support 5.4? |
| 22:14.28 | EmleyMoor | MarkoHeijnen: "5.4"? |
| 22:14.42 | MarkoHeijnen | sorry PHP 5.4 |
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| 22:18.52 | mmnicola1 | MarkoHeijnen: when wheezy becomes stable |
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| 22:19.46 | nsadmin | MarkoHeijnen, if you need a particular version, maybe you should build it, possibly into a package |
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| 22:21.02 | MarkoHeijnen | nsadmin: Yeah, that is something I need to look more into. Not really my expertise |
| 22:21.21 | somiaj | I thought php made it into backports |
| 22:21.24 | somiaj | ,version php5 |
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| 22:21.26 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.1~rc1-1 |
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| 22:21.48 | babilen | somiaj: It seems to be stuck in NEW -- one second |
| 22:22.00 | nsadmin | so wheezy actually has 5.4.something now |
| 22:22.15 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: i tried the genisoimage command with the parameters but it failed saying theis ......... genisoimage: Permission denied. Unable to open disc image file '/irishceltic.iso'. |
| 22:22.15 | boudiccas | ....... although i cant see how i cna create the irishceltic.iso. i've looked through the help screens and cant see it there |
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| 22:22.26 | babilen | somiaj: Hmm, no its not there. Was it pulled? REJECTed? hmmm |
| 22:22.34 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: Your exact command was...? |
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| 22:22.53 | nsadmin | the php maint needs to get head out of ass... and provide all php versions supported upstream to all dists |
| 22:22.55 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: wait two |
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| 22:23.03 | EmleyMoor | Ah... ~/irishceltic.iso |
| 22:23.13 | themill | babilen: it was rejected, yes |
| 22:23.15 | babilen | somiaj: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-changes/2012/04/msg00203.html |
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| 22:23.18 | EmleyMoor | (the ~ matters) |
| 22:23.20 | somiaj | babilen: I don't really know. But I recall someone saying it was put into new on backports a few weeks ago. |
| 22:23.39 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: genisoimage -o /irishceltic.iso /home/boztu/Music/Irish\ Celtic\ Music\ Collection\ Version\ 2/ |
| 22:23.43 | MarkoHeijnen | nsadmin: Is it save to run wheezy? At this moment I still run squeeze |
| 22:23.47 | babilen | somiaj: Yeah, it was REJECTED - See message above |
| 22:23.53 | themill | nsadmin: people who don't have a clue what they're talking about also need to get their heads out of the arses. |
| 22:23.55 | somiaj | babilen: ahh thanks, I'll stop thinking it is in backports anymore. (: |
| 22:24.01 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: you need to make it ~/irishceltic.iso |
| 22:24.02 | babilen | somiaj: Same here :) |
| 22:24.36 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: so its ......... genisoimage ~/irishceltic.iso /home/boztu/Music/Irish\ Celtic\ Music\ Collection\ Version\ 2/ |
| 22:24.50 | nsadmin | themill, such as the php maints... why are they only providing one version when it's brick-wall obvious that people want to choose the version that works for them? |
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| 22:24.56 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: Not quite |
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| 22:25.13 | nsadmin | are they expecting that php is important to debian scripting?? |
| 22:25.16 | themill | nsadmin: are you offering to do the work? |
| 22:25.30 | nsadmin | it's just building the packages |
| 22:25.32 | EmleyMoor | boudiccas: genisoimage -o ~/irishceltic.iso /home/boztu/Music/Irish\ Celtic\ Music\ Collection\ Version\ 2/ |
| 22:25.37 | themill | nsadmin: are you offering to make sure that all php modules and applications work with all versions of php? |
| 22:25.45 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: how so please? i cant see how to create it in the help file |
| 22:25.58 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: ah, right thanks |
| 22:26.16 | themill | nsadmin: it is not just compiling... and if you think that's all making a debian package is, then you really have even less clue than you have made us think beforehand |
| 22:26.19 | nsadmin | hell -ho-, that's not necessary |
| 22:27.05 | nsadmin | themill, think what you want, and I'll do the same |
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| 22:27.30 | nsadmin | for example the other thing that should have full version support is postgres |
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| 22:28.03 | themill | nsadmin: once again, the postgres maintainers are eager for your assistance, I'm sure. |
| 22:28.27 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: thanks, its now working okay, but slowly |
| 22:29.07 | themill | nsadmin: and given that 8.4, 9.0 and 9.1 are all supported in squeeze, I don't think you've really got much cause for complaint there. |
| 22:29.27 | nsadmin | 8.3 is still supported upstream |
| 22:29.53 | nsadmin | just barely tho |
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| 22:30.13 | themill | nsadmin: and your contribution to helping maintain that version in squeeze can be found in which posts to the mailing list? in which bug reports? and in which commits to the VCS? |
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| 22:31.00 | nsadmin | themill, haven't got that far. I have, however, built working 8.3 packages |
| 22:31.18 | nsadmin | at least for my arch |
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| 22:32.30 | ansgar | nsadmin: "just barely [supported upstream]" doesn't seem like something one wants to have to maintain for another 1.5 years in debian if one doesn't have to. |
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| 22:33.17 | nsadmin | ansgar, since it's possible to build them, the worst case would be having to do that |
| 22:34.17 | nsadmin | ansgar/themill, some folks cannot upgrade (yet) |
| 22:34.36 | nannes | Hi all! :) I'm in a lake of s**t, my disk is full and I can't even start Xserver. I need the parameters for apt to show me the list of installed packages, starting from the most big and going less&less big |
| 22:35.50 | streuner | nannes: how big is your disk, out of curosity? |
| 22:36.04 | nannes | streuner: my linux partition is 10gb |
| 22:36.12 | ansgar | nsadmin: What do you mean when you say 'since it's possible to build them, the worst case would be having to do that'? |
| 22:37.18 | nsadmin | ansgar, if someone needs pg-8.3 packages, they could build them themselves under squeeze |
| 22:37.20 | streuner | nannes: so its virtual, why not just giving more spaces? |
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| 22:37.52 | nsadmin | how is 9.1 supported? was it backported? |
| 22:38.00 | nannes | streuner: it's not virtual |
| 22:38.06 | themill | nannes: «aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p "» will give you a list, or dpigs from the debian-goodies package. But have you already run "apt-get clean", cleaned up logs and got rid of any kernel packages you no longer need? |
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| 22:38.23 | nannes | yes, already apt-cleaned |
| 22:38.32 | nsadmin | last I saw, it was in sid |
| 22:38.39 | ansgar | nsadmin: People who need packages can built them, yes. If it works. |
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| 22:39.01 | nsadmin | ansgar, does on amd64 |
| 22:39.03 | boudiccas | EmleyMoor: if i use .. genisoimage -o ~/irishceltic.iso /home/boztu/Music/Irish\ Celtic\ Music\ Collection\ Version\ 2/ ..........................................is there a way of creating irishceltic.iso to be no bigger than a dvd , .e. 4.4gbs please? I beleive so, but i can t now find the command in th ehlep file |
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| 22:39.10 | nannes | themill: i try right now, but.... that also orders like I said? :D |
| 22:39.59 | streuner | nannes: i doubt that you have a problem with Debian... |
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| 22:40.15 | Canar | Random question: I have two drives in Windows' software RAID connected to my new debian sid install. They appear as 1 drive when automounted. Is debian handling the redundancy automagically? |
| 22:40.20 | streuner | its more likely that you use some other files in /home... |
| 22:40.28 | ansgar | nsadmin: But what has that to do with the pgsql maintainers? |
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| 22:41.15 | streuner | or log files or whatever |
| 22:41.18 | nsadmin | a better case would be for them to provide 8.3 as a "fore"port |
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| 22:43.15 | nannes | themill: oohhhhhhh thank you! now..... what about old versions of kernel, I don't remember how to remove them! and the logs, too! |
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| 22:43.39 | streuner | nannes, du -h /var/log/* |
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| 22:44.02 | themill | nannes: you can look in /var/log to see what is there to start with. "aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i" will list the kernel packages you have installed. |
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| 22:44.41 | nannes | streuner: 13Mb |
| 22:44.42 | streuner | remember a Debian system running X too within a 500 MB harddisk.... |
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| 22:45.15 | streuner | it was sarge, IIRC |
| 22:45.49 | streuner | nannes, and no files in /home ? |
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| 22:45.56 | nsadmin | ansgar, it's like this: some people find postgresql important even as it's not present in debian's core install... the maintainers probably think that because it's older it should just be ignored. having said that, what would be really nice is for the maints to provide the packages for each upstream-supported version of pg for each debian available (oldstable, stable, testing, sid at least) |
| 22:46.28 | streuner | nannes: check out of your FS via du |
| 22:46.33 | streuner | all* |
| 22:46.43 | ansgar | nsadmin: And drop packages from stable when they are no longer supported upstream? |
| 22:46.46 | nsadmin | they don't necessarily need to be in the debian archive, but at minimum they need to exist |
| 22:47.01 | themill | whatever that means |
| 22:47.22 | nsadmin | you can't drop packages from stable |
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| 22:48.07 | nsadmin | similar situation to waldi's kernel archive, not all his kernels are in any debian dist, but they are available |
| 22:48.19 | themill | nsadmin: right -- so if, during the squeeze freeze, you didn't think it was going to have support through until the end of 2014, you have to drop it prior to the release. |
| 22:48.41 | nsadmin | well prior to freeze |
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| 22:49.47 | nsadmin | the folks on #postgresql will gladly tell you how long they're going to support a particular version |
| 22:50.04 | nannes | streuner: it depends by what kind of X! :) anyway, home isn't a problem, it's only 1,5gb of 10total |
| 22:50.31 | ansgar | nsadmin: I guess the pg maintainers in Debian know. But in any case maintaining more versions makes more work. |
| 22:50.33 | streuner | nannes: where are the other 8.5 GB? |
| 22:50.38 | nannes | I just removed 5 older versions of kernel |
| 22:50.46 | ansgar | nsadmin: (And I suppose they don't get paid for maintaining pgsql in Debian.) |
| 22:51.01 | nsadmin | so it's not "what you think" it's "what they say" |
| 22:51.26 | nannes | streuner: uhm i donno :( I can't use well du, I need the command to list dirs in / and show their used-space |
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| 22:52.05 | streuner | nannes: du -h and special command to list biggest size |
| 22:52.06 | nsadmin | nannes, try du -s /* |
| 22:52.15 | streuner | or that :-) |
| 22:52.34 | nsadmin | or -sh |
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| 22:52.49 | streuner | nannes: 8.5 GB exists, they arent hidden ;-) |
| 22:54.12 | nsadmin | ansgar, dunno |
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| 22:54.58 | nsadmin | if you want to talk about money, there's a lot of (chargy) material there |
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| 22:55.35 | ansgar | chargy? |
| 22:56.21 | nsadmin | are you offering the money issue as a reason they shouldn't do it? |
| 22:57.18 | themill | nsadmin: you seem to be saying that you should get to tell volunteers what they do for their hobby. |
| 22:57.36 | ansgar | nsadmin: You can motivate people with money to do certain things. Otherwise they just do what they want/need. |
| 22:58.03 | themill | nsadmin: (also, if we want to look at EOL dates for postgres -- 8.3 is *not* suitable for inclusion in squeeze with an EOL date of Feb 2013) |
| 22:58.11 | nsadmin | so the only possible motivator is money. I see... |
| 22:58.24 | themill | gee... who'd have thought that the maintainers would have thought about that |
| 22:58.48 | ansgar | nsadmin: Nobody saidanything about money being the 'only' motivator. |
| 22:59.24 | nsadmin | "<ansgar> nsadmin: You can motivate people with money to do certain things. Otherwise ..." |
| 22:59.58 | streuner | its just luck :-P |
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| 23:00.13 | streuner | ... |
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| 23:00.50 | themill | nsadmin: how exactly do you think debian (and most of the rest of the free software world) works? People sit down and think "Oh, I know, nsadmin will want that.. let's do that for him!" |
| 23:00.51 | nsadmin | and I never said we should force anyone to do anything. BUT we can ask |
| 23:01.21 | themill | nsadmin: and you'd find out it was EOL and not suitable for squeeze. So can we move on now? |
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| 23:02.40 | streuner | not a OT-question :-) How can i get rid of deb_checkmd5sum? |
| 23:02.53 | ansgar | nsadmin: Offering rewards works well when you ask for things ;) Or you could work on things yourself. |
| 23:04.15 | themill | nsadmin: if you want things to be different for the wheezy release, perhaps you should email the pg maintainers *now* offering to help with point releases and staying on top of security updates for pg (which will include backporting them yourself back to the EOLd release) |
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| 23:04.47 | nsadmin | all I'm really asking for is to put postgres as early as 8.3 in the buildds so people can use them |
| 23:04.48 | streuner | pg? |
| 23:04.51 | ansgar | nsadmin: And slightly related: people also ask for longer support for (old)stable, but that also has the same problems (it's more work; being paid may help with that). |
| 23:04.52 | themill | nsadmin: bottom line is -- people are doing what they have time for and what they think is useful. If you want more than that, volunteer your time. |
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| 23:05.34 | KZKG^Gaara | Hello. |
| 23:05.45 | KZKG^Gaara | I'm having a problem with shell_exec and apache ... In my log of apache2, show this issue: shell_exec() has been disabled for security reasons |
| 23:05.47 | themill | nsadmin: if you want unsupported packages, you've already got that. |
| 23:05.57 | nsadmin | right |
| 23:06.04 | KZKG^Gaara | I already delete "shell_exec" from the list of modules disables on: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ... but I still have the same problem ... Could anybody please help me |
| 23:06.39 | Petskull | oh, wow... debian comes with very little out of the box |
| 23:07.08 | nsadmin | KZKG^Gaara, not clear on this. do you want shell exec, or not? what's actually happening now? |
| 23:07.43 | streuner | Petskull: in terms of packages? |
| 23:07.50 | babilen | KZKG^Gaara: Could you paste a diff of your changes. Restarted the server? Why are you cross-posting? |
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| 23:08.20 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: The log said that -» shell_exec() has been disabled for security reasons ... and of course, the .php not works |
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| 23:08.32 | KZKG^Gaara | By the way, sorry for my english... it's not my primary language |
| 23:08.45 | themill | KZKG^Gaara: The debian php config doesn't mention shell_exec anywhere in it. Where is your config file from? |
| 23:08.50 | nsadmin | KZKG^Gaara, which is your primary language? |
| 23:09.00 | KZKG^Gaara | babilen: I could paste the php.ini in pastebin, what to do? |
| 23:09.04 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: Spanish |
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| 23:09.27 | nsadmin | ok, seems you prefer english right now... or, no? |
| 23:09.27 | KZKG^Gaara | themill: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ... in disable_functions= ___________ |
| 23:09.54 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: Not at all LOL!! it's hard to me write in english :( |
| 23:09.54 | themill | KZKG^Gaara: that is empty by default |
| 23:10.05 | hotwings | is ia64 for 64bit intel cpus or only itanium 64bit? trying to figure out which debian testing install cd i need for an intel q9550 cpu |
| 23:10.25 | nsadmin | KZKG^Gaara, so... you might prefer spanish? |
| 23:10.28 | KZKG^Gaara | themill: O_O ... not to me, wait a minute please |
| 23:11.09 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: Yes, but... since this's the official channel and english it's the universal language... that's why I write in english |
| 23:11.22 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: do u speak spanish? |
| 23:11.42 | nsadmin | KZKG^Gaara, something must have altered the config file after installing php |
| 23:11.59 | nsadmin | unfortunately no |
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| 23:13.17 | streuner | KZKG^Gaara: your english is fine to me, and everybody else unterstood you very well, so no worries... |
| 23:13.58 | KZKG^Gaara | That's my php.ini -» http://paste.desdelinux.net/4420 |
| 23:14.06 | nsadmin | KZKG^Gaara, yeah, I can understand you most of the time; when I don't I'll ask you to clarify |
| 23:14.20 | nsadmin | also available to you: |
| 23:14.22 | nsadmin | !es |
| 23:14.23 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 23:14.45 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: Oh dont worry, I can read english with out problems... write is diferent LOL!! |
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| 23:15.15 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin: yes, my bad :D |
| 23:15.38 | KZKG^Gaara | streuner: HAHA thanks ^_^ |
| 23:16.15 | nsadmin | no bad happened. I just offer you to choose what you want |
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| 23:18.06 | Phil | bleh. |
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| 23:18.28 | Phil | I upgraded and courier imap seems to have stopped working |
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| 23:18.49 | Phil | has anyone experienced similar problems? |
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| 23:19.07 | Phil | nothing is logged |
| 23:19.19 | nsadmin | Phil, find out what exactly happened |
| 23:19.40 | Phil | what exactly happened during the upgrade? |
| 23:19.54 | streuner | upgrade to sid? |
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| 23:20.20 | streuner | Phil: we need more details... |
| 23:20.27 | nsadmin | what exactly happened to cause courier to fail... and, what exactly do you mean by "stopped working" |
| 23:20.46 | Phil | it was a standard upgrade of packages on Lenny |
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| 23:20.53 | Phil | if I knew what caused it to fail, I'd probably fix it :P |
| 23:21.03 | Phil | and by stopped working, I mean it doesn't respond to commands |
| 23:21.12 | nsadmin | example? |
| 23:21.37 | Phil | if I don't do a 1 LOGIN, but do a 2 LIST, it kicks back errors about not logging in |
| 23:21.45 | Phil | if I do a valid LOGIN, it doesn't respond to LIST |
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| 23:22.22 | nsadmin | does anything show up in any logs when you issue (and it processes) commands? |
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| 23:23.37 | Phil | Apr 29 00:22:45 server1 imapd-ssl: Connection, ip= |
| 23:23.41 | nsadmin | what's the SendQ? |
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| 23:23.42 | Phil | that shows in logs |
| 23:23.48 | Phil | it doesn't show anything when I issue a login |
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| 23:24.48 | nsadmin | you're issuing commands to...? |
| 23:24.54 | Phil | IMAP |
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| 23:25.17 | nsadmin | directly? like, telnet localhost <imapPort>? |
| 23:25.41 | Phil | yip |
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| 23:26.09 | nsadmin | what are the commands that generate log entries? |
| 23:26.35 | Phil | no commands generate log entries |
| 23:26.36 | Phil | only the connect] |
| 23:26.47 | nsadmin | is it at the moment you telnet that the connect message is logged? |
| 23:27.06 | Phil | yip |
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| 23:27.17 | sukaeto | stupid question: the socket you're connecting to is plain text? |
| 23:27.30 | sukaeto | (as in not SSL) |
| 23:27.31 | Phil | yes |
| 23:27.33 | Phil | port 143 |
| 23:27.46 | Phil | hum |
| 23:28.23 | Phil | if I send an invalid login, it lets me know |
| 23:28.28 | Phil | so it's clearly accepting the login |
| 23:28.39 | Phil | it's just failing on a 2 LIST "" * |
| 23:28.46 | nsadmin | ok, as a starting point, we still don't know much, but at least we are starting to see the picture |
| 23:29.09 | nsadmin | Phil, after reboot, same thing? |
| 23:29.20 | Phil | yup |
| 23:29.23 | nsadmin | or had you rebooted since the upgrade? |
| 23:29.46 | Phil | I have, yes |
| 23:29.56 | Phil | it didn't work before, or after a reboot |
| 23:30.00 | nsadmin | ok... so the problem survives reboot |
| 23:30.39 | nsadmin | did you put together your own config file for imapd? |
| 23:31.02 | Phil | I haven't modified it from the default |
| 23:31.18 | Phil | all I've changed, config-wise, is making it use mysql for auth |
| 23:31.51 | nsadmin | in the boot order, does mysql start first, or imapd? |
| 23:31.51 | Phil | though it's worked fine for some 3+ years |
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| 23:32.03 | Phil | imapd |
| 23:32.08 | sukaeto | another stupid question: can you connect to MySQL fine outside of imapd? |
| 23:32.14 | nsadmin | that could be a problem |
| 23:32.16 | Phil | sukaeto, yes |
| 23:32.48 | nsadmin | mysql should be running when imapd tries to open a connection |
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| 23:33.08 | Phil | it seems to be the case that the auth works fine |
| 23:33.15 | Phil | the mails aren't stored in mysql |
| 23:33.39 | nsadmin | well let's try a small experiment... |
| 23:34.40 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:34.48 | nsadmin | then start them in that order |
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| 23:35.43 | nsadmin | the mails are stored in a ~/Maildir, yes? |
| 23:35.46 | sukaeto | also, the auth may not be fine if it's not giving you the LOGIN OK reply |
| 23:35.58 | Phil | still no go |
| 23:36.03 | Phil | it's not giving output to valid logins |
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| 23:36.05 | Phil | only invalid :S |
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| 23:36.57 | nsadmin | I've gone as far as I can, aside from which sukaeto seems to have some more specific experience than I do |
| 23:37.52 | sukaeto | I only know a little bit about the IMAP protocol on account of having written a biff some time back |
| 23:38.25 | nsadmin | was mysql upgraded? |
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| 23:38.39 | Phil | nsadmin, not sure but I think so |
| 23:38.45 | Phil | just tested courier's pop3 |
| 23:38.46 | Phil | that works fine |
| 23:39.02 | sukaeto | and that's also using MySQL for auth? |
| 23:39.12 | nsadmin | that was my q too |
| 23:39.28 | Phil | it is |
| 23:39.49 | nsadmin | so that rules out mysql and its upgrade as the problem |
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| 23:40.18 | Phil | I've downgraded courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl to the stable versions |
| 23:40.19 | Phil | still no go |
| 23:40.59 | sukaeto | another idea: make a backup of your config file |
| 23:41.02 | sukaeto | delete it |
| 23:41.05 | nsadmin | what about downgrading mysql? you'd have to do a manual dump of your auth database |
| 23:41.08 | sukaeto | uninstall courier-imap |
| 23:41.17 | Phil | sukaeto, with a purge? |
| 23:41.29 | sukaeto | re-install it and re-modify the default config to use MySQL again |
| 23:41.38 | sukaeto | Phil: sure |
| 23:41.41 | nsadmin | I still have a nagging curiousity about the mysql |
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| 23:43.55 | Phil | reinstall after removing, sukaeto? |
| 23:44.04 | sukaeto | Phil: yes |
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| 23:45.27 | Phil | still broken :( |
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| 23:45.53 | sukaeto | and you started with a fresh config and just made the MySQL specific changes? |
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| 23:47.41 | boudiccas | i've used genisoimage to create a file irishceltic.iso which is 18.9gbs big. is it possible using genisoimage to create an iso of 4.4gbs [dvd size] please? i've checked the man pages but dont think it can be done. |
| 23:48.09 | boudiccas | is it possible with k3b for it to burn an iso split over several dvd s please? |
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| 23:48.31 | sukaeto | at this point, I'm with nsadmin - downgrade MySQL and see what happens. |
| 23:48.51 | sukaeto | make sure you back up your database cluster first, though |
| 23:48.53 | sukaeto | of course |
| 23:48.57 | Phil | sukaeto, there's no config in the imap configs for mysql |
| 23:49.03 | Phil | that's authdaemonrc |
| 23:49.20 | sukaeto | and you've not touched the imap config at all? |
| 23:49.33 | Phil | no |
| 23:49.36 | Phil | I'll reinstall courier-authdaemon |
| 23:49.40 | KZKG^Gaara | nsadmin & themill ... done, now it's works :D |
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| 23:49.46 | KZKG^Gaara | Solved LOL |
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| 23:50.01 | mrbean | Hi, is openntpd in the repositories? I can't find it. |
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| 23:50.37 | sukaeto | the fact that it's not giving you back a 1 OK LOGIN Ok. is troubling |
| 23:51.00 | Phil | indeed :/ |
| 23:51.08 | Phil | as I said, pop3 login works |
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| 23:51.34 | Phil | aight |
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| 23:51.37 | jelly-home | mrbean: /msg judd versions openntpd |
| 23:51.42 | Phil | so after the re-install, outlook is whining about the login |
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| 23:51.47 | Phil | as I haven't re-configured the mysql stuff |
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| 23:54.24 | mrbean | ok, squeeze-backports thank you. |
| 23:54.28 | Phil | did the reconfig |
| 23:54.32 | Phil | still fubar |
| 23:54.32 | Phil | though outlook stops whining about the login |
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| 23:55.09 | Phil | bleh |
| 23:56.41 | Phil | pop3 works perfectly :( |
| 23:57.35 | nvz | am I mistaken or are you trolling about getting help with microsoft software and some ISPs email or something? |
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| 23:58.06 | Phil | nvz, yes - you're mistaken |
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| 23:58.25 | nvz | well in the last 4 minutes I haven't seen you mention anything that would tell me otherwise |
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| 23:58.41 | arthurmaciel | hello |
| 23:58.43 | suborbital | hi |
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| 23:58.53 | Phil | nvz, there's been 45 minutes |
| 23:59.02 | arthurmaciel | I will build a home web server. Which version of debian do you recommend? Thanks! |
| 23:59.05 | nvz | Phil: yeah well I just got online, so.. :-P |
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| 23:59.20 | caravel | arthurmaciel: stable, always. Hence, squeeze |
| 23:59.23 | nvz | arthurmaciel: debian stable of course |
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| 23:59.55 | arthurmaciel | thank you, guys |
