| 00:00.38 | boudiccas | i've used genisoimage to create a file irishceltic.iso which is 18.9gbs big. is it possible using genisoimage to create an iso of 4.4gbs [dvd size] please? i've checked the man pages but dont think it can be done. i just want someone else to confirm it with me please? |
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| 00:02.29 | nvz | heh |
| 00:03.16 | Phil | this is rediculous :( |
| 00:03.25 | Phil | I should really stop upgrading |
| 00:03.28 | Phil | each time it breaks something |
| 00:03.55 | pfred1 | Phil upgrading is overrated |
| 00:04.03 | arthurmaciel | guys, if I get netinst image, can I access internet through wifi? |
| 00:04.27 | Phil | pfred1, can't be rated much over how I'm rating it right now |
| 00:04.29 | Phil | lol |
| 00:04.43 | pfred1 | runs Lenny |
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| 00:06.30 | caravel | arthurmaciel: yes, as documented in 1st paragraph here :) http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 00:08.31 | arthurmaciel | caravel: thank you so much! |
| 00:09.18 | arthurmaciel | do you have any special recommendations about packages, security and other things I should notice for running a web server? I'm new to all this. |
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| 00:11.30 | boudiccas | is it possible with k3b for it to burn an iso split over several dvd s please? |
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| 00:34.52 | boudiccas | is it possible with k3b for it to burn an iso split over several dvd s please? |
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| 00:35.17 | boudiccas | i've already discovered that brasero cant do it |
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| 00:39.36 | arthurmaciel | see you, guys. Thanks for help! |
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| 00:46.20 | rjune | Is there a way to tell apt to install the source package from the repository? |
| 00:46.28 | rjune | aka apt-get install squidguard-source? |
| 00:47.41 | internat | apt-get source <pacakge> |
| 00:48.15 | internat | assuming you have the relevant source lines in your /etc/apt/sources.* |
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| 00:52.38 | rjune | internat, default install, so I hope so |
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| 00:53.12 | internat | i dont think its in there by default.. but its pretty simple to add if its not |
| 00:53.21 | rjune | It is |
| 00:53.28 | rjune | but I need the dpkg-dev package |
| 00:53.38 | rjune | internat, have you build dpkg files before? |
| 00:53.54 | internat | cant say i have.. ive modified existing ones, when i wanted to change some of the compile time options |
| 00:54.04 | rjune | good enough for what I need. :-) |
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| 00:55.26 | rjune | internat, where does it install to? |
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| 00:55.49 | internat | if you run apt-get source <package> it grabst he source into the cwed |
| 00:55.51 | internat | cwd* |
| 00:56.03 | rjune | damn. |
| 00:56.51 | rjune | a howto? |
| 00:56.52 | internat | thats some instructions i had a while ago when i edited something from source. i think its missing one line though |
| 00:57.07 | rjune | I love instructions that are *almost* complete |
| 00:57.15 | internat | there should be a dch -i done before the buildpackage line |
| 00:57.17 | rjune | almost as good as the ones with no troubleshooting information |
| 00:57.36 | internat | which increases the version number by one, so that it doesnt get overridden straigth away when you run apt-get upgrade next.. |
| 00:57.47 | rjune | ahh. good to know |
| 00:57.55 | internat | yeah, it was my working notes.. |
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| 00:59.12 | rjune | so I should be able to do apt-get source foo then turn around and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:59.40 | internat | get the source, modify it accordingly, run dch -i to increase the version number, then dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 01:01.01 | rjune | at the moment I just want to build it again. |
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| 01:13.53 | rjune | internat, do I have to buld the package as root? |
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| 01:18.22 | internat | not sure.. i think you can use fakeroot to do it |
| 01:18.35 | rjune | i missed a biuld dep. |
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| 01:18.46 | internat | my exprience is pretty limited, i only learnt how to do it to fix that netatalk package |
| 01:18.46 | rjune | trying to figure out no orig.tar file found error now. |
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| 01:19.22 | WilsonBradley | Does anyone know when Trine 2 DEMO will be available for Linux? |
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| 01:25.00 | notdrunkjustninj | hi, I'm having trouble compiling Crypt::SSLeay on debian wheezy. here's the log: http://paste.debian.net/166330/ |
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| 01:30.14 | sukaeto | !wheeze |
| 01:30.14 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 01:30.55 | rjune | sukaeto, but he called it wheezy |
| 01:31.00 | notdrunkjustninj | ...? |
| 01:31.05 | notdrunkjustninj | nt |
| 01:31.18 | sukaeto | notdrunkjustnin, rjune: sorry, that was irrelevant |
| 01:31.27 | sukaeto | Just felt like !wheezing |
| 01:31.34 | notdrunkjustninj | lol |
| 01:31.39 | rjune | heh |
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| 01:33.11 | arthurma` | guys, I'm using netinst small cd image. It asked for me to install non-free firmware (ipw2200) for my wireless driver. I put the fw on the usb drive and it recognized, but I try to set up wifi connection and it does not work. The same wifi connection is recognized by another laptop next to the one I'm installing debian on. |
| 01:33.28 | arthurma` | I have choosen gui install, but is there a way to move to console for debugging? |
| 01:34.04 | arthurma` | well, I have moved to console, but nor ifconfig nor iwconfig are supported. Do you have any hint? |
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| 01:34.56 | arthurma` | hm.. dmesg presented eth1: could not initialize WEP: load module lib80211_crypt_wep |
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| 01:35.33 | arthurma` | when I try to manually load it I get: FATAL; Module lib80211_crypt_wep not found |
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| 01:43.24 | wolfpython | anyone still want to use Pypanel? |
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| 01:52.39 | Bartzy | Anyone knows how do I manuall failover with keepalived? |
| 01:54.00 | somiaj | arthurma`: the netinstaller dosen't have wpasupplicant on it, so that may be an issue if you use wpa encription |
| 01:54.34 | somiaj | arthurma`: my suggestion is to install the minimial/base system provided onthe net inetaller (despite its name you do not need the net to install a base system). From there you have a working debian system, you can then just manually copy over the .deb's needed to get your wifi working |
| 01:54.37 | nvz | somiaj: he was asking about lib80211_crypt_wep and its not in the initrd is the issue |
| 01:54.52 | nvz | i.e. wep not wpa |
| 01:55.52 | somiaj | ahh either way I usually just skip wifi config on the net install and then get it working once I have a base system running |
| 01:55.59 | nvz | arthurma`: following somiaj's idea the debian kernel WILL have the module you need.. you can continue the install after base |
| 01:56.21 | nvz | its just not in the initrd of debian-installer |
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| 01:57.38 | arthurma` | nvz and somiaj: ok! thanks! |
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| 02:24.45 | parcs` | does anyone know what package (if any) provides man pages for the opengl api? |
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| 02:26.33 | rjune | most comprehesive docs I know of is the red book IIRC |
| 02:26.49 | rjune | Might be wrong on the name, but it's the COLOR book. think its red |
| 02:27.03 | rjune | There are some good tutorials available too |
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| 02:28.23 | BotaniCar | Running various benchmarks i run into different GL Vendor information (like GL_VENDOR:VMware, Inc. or GL_VENDOR:Humper) , how does system determine which to use , and can i pick a default ( if it matters, the OS is virtualised in virtualbox)? |
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| 02:29.10 | parcs` | rjune: yeah but i like man pages :) |
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| 02:46.50 | kingsley | Why would certain data in a pdf file look differently when a.) normally rendered by the pdf viewer named "evince", b.) after being highlighted in evince and the mouse's pointer is moved outside of evince's X window, and c.) when pasted into an xterm running bash? |
| 02:47.03 | kingsley | I'm seeing a.) "-1.1", b.) "- >" and c.) "21.1". |
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| 02:56.05 | KornKage | hi, sorry for asking this here, its the last place i know i can try to ask and know.. does anyone know which song does this lyrics belong to(i dont know the band nor the music..)? Put your finger in the hole, hold your breath all night.. you can purify your soul if the temperature is right. |
| 02:56.34 | jordanm | KornKage: ##defocus |
| 02:56.47 | jordanm | or google... |
| 02:56.56 | KornKage | ok |
| 02:56.59 | KornKage | thank you sir |
| 02:57.03 | KornKage | ill go there |
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| 03:01.24 | n0yd | Anyone familiar with thinkpad fan controls? I got a T60 running squeeze, I've tried thinkfan and thinkpad fan control, I can set the speed to low, high, or anything in beween, it works for about 5 seconds or less, and automatically goes back into medium-high mode |
| 03:01.30 | n0yd | wth |
| 03:01.50 | n0yd | Anyone familiar with thinkpad fan controls? I got a T60 running squeeze, I've tried thinkfan and thinkpad fan control, I can set the speed to low, high, or anything in beween, it works for about 5 seconds or less, and automatically goes back into medium-high mode |
| 03:02.20 | nvz | I'm pretty familiar with that last line |
| 03:02.29 | n0yd | lol |
| 03:02.54 | n0yd | it was bugging out in my client, more than half my first line was gone |
| 03:04.06 | n0yd | well, if anyone has any ideas, id love to hear em ;) |
| 03:04.24 | nvz | leave the fan alone sounds like a decent idea to me |
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| 03:04.46 | n0yd | nvz, so it constantly runs on high? im alright with that |
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| 03:05.04 | nvz | if it constantly runs you probably have a bigger problem |
| 03:05.29 | nvz | are you under a high load constantly? what is your system's temperature? |
| 03:05.35 | n0yd | nvz, no, i do not |
| 03:05.48 | nvz | mine has been at 43defC for about 4 hours now |
| 03:05.51 | n0yd | im at like 3 percent load, and 43 degrees |
| 03:06.07 | nvz | and the fan is on high? |
| 03:06.10 | n0yd | under load running flash or something, it gets to 48c |
| 03:06.12 | n0yd | YES |
| 03:06.27 | n0yd | im not a noob, i understand what goes on with my computer |
| 03:07.55 | n0yd | it seems there is something else controling the fan, like acpi or something. but thinkfan also uses acpi, and im sure thinkpad fan control uses it also |
| 03:09.24 | n0yd | unless its something in the fancontrol doing it, but i dont actually have fancontrol config'd |
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| 03:09.42 | mi3 | hello |
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| 03:10.57 | mi3 | I installed debian for the 1st time, but there is no network settings anywhere, and I am having quite a hard time spending time without the internet, can someone suggest how to get the net working again? |
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| 03:11.24 | nvz | n0yd: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_fan_noise |
| 03:11.54 | n0yd | ive read it |
| 03:12.19 | nvz | n0yd: I personally owned a t41 for a long time and have had many clients with thinkpads, in fact a couple years ago I did a migration on thousands of them and I've never had that issue other than caused by blockage or such.. |
| 03:12.34 | mi3 | suggestions please |
| 03:12.35 | nvz | n0yd: I replaced the fan in a t61 a few months ago, there was rust on the motor |
| 03:12.52 | n0yd | ok, but in windows, its on like 1 of 7 all the time |
| 03:12.56 | n0yd | it never goes high |
| 03:13.28 | nvz | n0yd: well if you read what i did on that wiki you'd know that they said dynamic scaling could be the cause of that |
| 03:13.37 | nvz | is a speed reader and also read it |
| 03:13.38 | n0yd | BTW, this thinkpad was just purchased a week ago, and is in like-new condition, literrally |
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| 03:14.34 | n0yd | i pulled it apart, no dust, nothing. the think doesnt even have a singal scratch |
| 03:14.54 | mi3 | how can I configure the network? any suggestions? |
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| 03:16.11 | n0yd | i have dynamic scaling enabled, btw |
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| 03:17.10 | nvz | well idk there is no clear cut solution to these problems I evaluate each case and recommend they be serviced by a technician. Manual fan control not only rarely works but when it does it ruins the hardware |
| 03:17.38 | n0yd | IS a technician |
| 03:17.40 | n0yd | but ok |
| 03:17.50 | mi3 | nvz, how to configure the network? |
| 03:18.02 | mi3 | I dont get any network option in my system! |
| 03:18.14 | n0yd | mi3, are you running ubuntu? |
| 03:18.16 | mi3 | kindly suggest |
| 03:18.23 | mi3 | no, original debian |
| 03:18.31 | n0yd | why is your name ubuntu? |
| 03:18.42 | mi3 | I am on windows |
| 03:18.43 | nvz | mi3: you need to elaborate on your issue.. describe what version of software you are using for example |
| 03:18.58 | mi3 | nvz, debian 6.0.4 stable |
| 03:19.04 | n0yd | mi3, wifi or ethernet? |
| 03:19.09 | mi3 | pppoe |
| 03:19.23 | mi3 | I have username, servicename and password for pppoe |
| 03:19.39 | nvz | mi3: I'd recommend gnome-ppp if you are using gnome |
| 03:19.51 | n0yd | mi3, im not familiar with configuring it manually, but if you can install ceni or something similar you could set it up that way |
| 03:19.53 | nvz | its a gui frontend for wvdial |
| 03:20.09 | mi3 | gnome-ppp requires any dependencies? nvz ? |
| 03:20.23 | n0yd | ceni is dep minimal |
| 03:20.24 | nvz | dpkg, depends gnome-ppp |
| 03:20.32 | mi3 | because if that is the case, I will have a very hard time |
| 03:20.39 | dpkg | gnome-ppp: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), wvdial |
| 03:20.54 | n0yd | dpkg, depends ceni |
| 03:21.02 | nvz | dpkg, depends pppconfig |
| 03:21.07 | dpkg | pppconfig: depends on ppp (>= 2.3.7), whiptail | dialog |
| 03:21.22 | nvz | most the gnome depends would be already installed if you have gnome already |
| 03:21.27 | n0yd | wow, ceni isnt in defsault repos, heh |
| 03:21.48 | mi3 | actually, why didn't I get any network connection tab? neither did I get nm-applet! |
| 03:22.13 | n0yd | cause you dont have network manager installed? |
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| 03:22.28 | nvz | the network-manager-gnome has "Edit Connections" in the applet menu |
| 03:22.30 | mi3 | ok, then how to install it? offline? |
| 03:22.34 | nvz | and on the DSL tab you can set it up there |
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| 03:23.12 | mi3 | I downloaded the deb file for network-manager-gnome but it is giving me dependency issues nvz |
| 03:23.42 | nvz | this is all why I said to elaborate.. if I know what you installed on your system I know what is the simplest way to get you online |
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| 03:23.59 | mi3 | nvz, ok, let me elaborate |
| 03:24.04 | nvz | if you had done a gnome desktop install you;d have all this already |
| 03:25.18 | mi3 | nvz, I did not get the gnome option while installing, I dont have "network connections" present in the system menu, there is no internet connectivity |
| 03:25.55 | mi3 | and to connect to the internet I require username, password, and servicename. |
| 03:26.15 | nvz | mi3: its an applet on the panel.. the network-manager applet |
| 03:26.51 | mi3 | I am missing that |
| 03:27.21 | mi3 | should I reinstall debian? |
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| 03:27.51 | mi3 | I am sure I did not get the gnome option during installation, nvz |
| 03:28.07 | n0yd | what installer did you use? |
| 03:28.15 | mi3 | unetbootin |
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| 03:28.38 | n0yd | unetbootin isnt an installer |
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| 03:29.32 | n0yd | meh, i g2g |
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| 03:30.23 | nvz | mi3: you will need to install something like pppoeconf or such at this point |
| 03:31.44 | nvz | dpkg, depends ppp |
| 03:31.49 | dpkg | ppp: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.8), libpam-modules, libpam-runtime, procps |
| 03:32.17 | nvz | the you should only need to get ppp, pppoeconfig and possibly that libpcap0.8 |
| 03:32.37 | nvz | dpkg, depends pppoeconfig |
| 03:33.05 | nvz | well pppconfig I guess.. cause the debian wiki mentions pppoeconfig which apparently doesn't exist |
| 03:33.46 | mi3 | so, what's your suggestion, nvz? |
| 03:34.30 | mi3 | nvz, ?? |
| 03:34.39 | nvz | either install pppconfig and set it up or reinstall with proper media and load the proper udeb to set it up in the installer |
| 03:35.03 | nvz | I've told you several tools that will do it already.. pppconfig, gnome-ppp, and network-manager-gnome |
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| 03:35.13 | nvz | I've even gone over the dependencies of them |
| 03:35.25 | mi3 | err, am a noob, proper media means? isn't a flash drive enough? |
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| 03:36.01 | nvz | as in a real debian-installer iso where you can follow the debian wiki on using pppoe |
| 03:36.09 | nvz | http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
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| 03:36.48 | mi3 | when I install network-manager-gnome it gives me dependencies errors! |
| 03:37.15 | nvz | then install the dependencies or choose one of the simpler options if you have to resolve them manually for now |
| 03:37.33 | nvz | pppconfig would probably only need 3 packages manually fetched at most |
| 03:37.39 | mi3 | then I guess I will go for gnome-ppp |
| 03:37.52 | mi3 | ooo and gnome-ppp? |
| 03:38.05 | nvz | thats a frontend to wvdial which probably also requires ppp |
| 03:38.21 | nvz | dpkg depends gnome-ppp |
| 03:38.24 | dpkg | gnome-ppp: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), wvdial |
| 03:38.31 | nvz | dpkg depends wvdial |
| 03:38.37 | dpkg | wvdial: depends on ppp (>= 2.3.0), debconf (>= 0.5.00) | cdebconf, libc6 (>= 2.3.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libuniconf4.6, libwvstreams4.6-base, libwvstreams4.6-extras, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 03:38.43 | mi3 | ok |
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| 03:38.53 | nvz | that would require all the lbwvstreams deps, and ppp as well |
| 03:39.11 | nvz | pppconfig you should have all the deps other than ppp and possibly that one other package |
| 03:39.29 | nvz | dpkg depends ppp |
| 03:39.35 | dpkg | ppp: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.8), libpam-modules, libpam-runtime, procps |
| 03:39.43 | mi3 | what if I say I only need that network manager for now? |
| 03:40.02 | nvz | libpcap0.8 I dont think is in a standard install |
| 03:40.04 | mi3 | I guess it should solve most of my problems |
| 03:40.25 | nvz | once you get online you can install network-manager-gnome and it will resolve the dependencies for you |
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| 03:40.42 | nvz | for now the simplest thing I can think of is to download ppp, pppconfig, and libpcap0.8 |
| 03:40.47 | mi3 | ok, and what about synaptic manager, I could not find it |
| 03:41.07 | mi3 | do we need to install that seperately? |
| 03:41.28 | nvz | pppconfig depends on ppp, which depends on libpcap0.8 so yeah.. |
| 03:41.42 | nvz | ideally install them in reverse order to avoid issues with broken dependencies |
| 03:42.07 | mi3 | means 1st libcap0.8 then pppconfig then ppp, right? |
| 03:42.13 | nvz | yes |
| 03:42.15 | nvz | dpkg depends pppconfig |
| 03:42.20 | dpkg | pppconfig: depends on ppp (>= 2.3.7), whiptail | dialog |
| 03:42.23 | mi3 | ok and what about synaptic? |
| 03:42.29 | nvz | what about it? |
| 03:42.36 | mi3 | I dont have it installed |
| 03:42.46 | nvz | if you cant get online you have to do this manually |
| 03:43.16 | mi3 | has it got any dependencies? |
| 03:44.02 | mi3 | err nvz? |
| 03:44.20 | nvz | we've gone over this at least 3 times now.. pppconfig depends on ppp (not in your system) and dialog (you already have it or you're not even running a bare debian system) ppp depends on libc6 (>= 2.7), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.8), libpam-modules, libpam-runtime, procps all of which should be in a base install except perhaps libpcap0.8 |
| 03:45.03 | nvz | so one more time for the special people in the cheap seats you need pppconfig, ppp, libpcap0.8 |
| 03:45.06 | mi3 | I am asking about synaptic and you answer about ppp, I guess there is some mistake between two of us |
| 03:45.23 | mi3 | sorry some misunderstanding |
| 03:45.25 | nvz | synaptic has absolutely nothing to do with this issue at all |
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| 03:45.48 | mi3 | I need synaptic, does it has any dependencies?? |
| 03:46.00 | nvz | if you want synaptic, get pppconfig installed, setup your internet, then install synaptic |
| 03:46.16 | mi3 | ok |
| 03:46.41 | mi3 | downloading those 3 debs manually and then installing them, nvz |
| 03:46.52 | nvz | the whole point here is the fewest manual steps to get you online so you can install things via the internet with this nifty tool we made to resolve dependencies automatically |
| 03:47.09 | mi3 | hmm |
| 03:47.23 | mi3 | downloaded those 3 deb files, nvz |
| 03:47.44 | mi3 | now I will install them on debian |
| 03:48.02 | nvz | I didnt check the deps on libpcap.. but didn't think I had to.. heh |
| 03:48.10 | nvz | dpkg depends libpcap0.8 |
| 03:48.14 | dpkg | libpcap0.8: pre-depends on multiarch-support |
| 03:48.26 | nvz | whatever that is.. heh |
| 03:48.28 | mi3 | so now what |
| 03:48.32 | nvz | but you probably have it |
| 03:48.40 | mi3 | ?? |
| 03:48.46 | nvz | install them.. dpkg -i libpcap...blah |
| 03:48.51 | mi3 | ok |
| 03:48.54 | nvz | do the same with ppp. then pppconfig |
| 03:49.06 | nvz | then run the command pppconfig |
| 03:49.19 | nvz | and setup your network, then use "pon provider" to dial |
| 03:49.26 | nvz | should be online at that point |
| 03:49.39 | mi3 | thank you for the help, guys, appreciated, if they dont work, I will come back to windows and then again on xchat, can I expect you to be around? |
| 03:50.08 | nvz | idk |
| 03:50.19 | mi3 | ok |
| 03:50.58 | mi3 | bye! |
| 03:51.30 | mi3 | and thank you! |
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| 04:00.27 | pbase | where do I submit artwork for debian? |
| 04:01.05 | pbase | I made a simple design for the debian logo, for which an update seems long due.. |
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| 04:05.21 | mick_laptop | pbase: one sec |
| 04:05.55 | mick_laptop | pbase: contact the art.debian.net guys |
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| 04:07.11 | mick_laptop | they might be able to help you more |
| 04:07.23 | mick_laptop | but start by uploading the stuff |
| 04:08.34 | nsadmin | you'll have to decide on a license |
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| 04:19.24 | pbase | thanks mic_laptop, nsadmin |
| 04:19.36 | pbase | mick_laptop: |
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| 04:30.48 | confusid | I'm looking for something to allow me to host slides. My goal is to have a stand alone web server that only puts out slides/images and have an option for clicking back or next on a seperate admin type page. Any recomendations on what to look for? |
| 04:31.40 | jordanm | confusid: pick a CMS, look for gallery modules |
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| 04:33.34 | gnarface | hmm |
| 04:33.37 | gnarface | slideshow mode |
| 04:33.40 | gnarface | never heard of that |
| 04:33.42 | gnarface | neat idea though |
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| 04:34.12 | gnarface | jordanm: he wants the back/next buttons to be under his control, so he pushes them for all the other users |
| 04:34.38 | gnarface | as far as i know all gallery modules pretty much leave that in the hands of the user |
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| 04:34.58 | confusid | thanks! That's a start for me to read on. |
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| 04:44.22 | sean_siegel | whats up room |
| 04:44.32 | sean_siegel | i have a strange issue \ question |
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| 04:45.24 | sean_siegel | im trying to create a daemon in python under angstrom linux and am doing the "double fork" magic. It seems to work and the second fork stays in the background and im given the terminal back |
| 04:45.32 | sean_siegel | however, when i log out, the process is killed |
| 04:45.36 | sean_siegel | i tried the exact code in ubuntu and it works fine even after i log out |
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| 04:46.07 | sean_siegel | anyone care to take a look? |
| 04:46.21 | sean_siegel | $20 via paypal to whoever can figure it out :P |
| 04:46.31 | craigevil | sean_siegel, go ask in angstrom this is #debian |
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| 04:47.01 | sean_siegel | i have and dont get any responses :( i thought angstrom was debian |
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| 04:47.51 | craigevil | !debian-based |
| 04:47.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 04:48.47 | consequent | So I'm trying to use the debian installer to partition a Macbook hard drive in a way that will allow the Leopard installer to recognize it. Does anyone know how to go about this? I tried to do this by creating a gpt partition table and root partition, then booting from the Leopard CD, but it didn't work. |
| 04:49.00 | sean_siegel | well thanks anyways |
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| 05:32.17 | arthurmaciel | hello |
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| 05:33.08 | arthurmaciel | I have installed debian squeezy and my laptop has a trackpointer and a trackpad (dell d410). The mouse is constantly and automatically moving into the left down corner of the screen. How do I make it behave properly? |
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| 05:34.13 | symptom | arthurmaciel, when you arent touching it? |
| 05:34.34 | arthurmaciel | symptom: yes |
| 05:34.48 | arthurmaciel | when I move the trackpointer it resists, going back to the left corner |
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| 05:35.19 | arthurmaciel | the trackpad behaves strangely: sometimes it moves the mouse, sometimes not, but it goes back to the corner |
| 05:36.46 | symptom | I would check your synclient. Mine looks like: http://pastebin.com/D0gedh2G your dimensions are probably different though. |
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| 05:40.09 | arthurmaciel | symptom: I'll check this tomorrow |
| 05:40.11 | arthurmaciel | thanks for help |
| 05:40.45 | prefixed | what can I do to automatically continue an sync session after it times out? |
| 05:40.49 | symptom | arthurmaciel, paste expires in 1 hr |
| 05:41.27 | arthurmaciel | symptom: I don't how synclient can help me atm. sorry. I'll have to read about it and I'm asleep. I thought it would be something quick to fix. |
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| 05:58.41 | prefixed | can someone explain why the following script isn;t working? http://pastebin.com/1tr3sUdS |
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| 06:35.39 | raynerd | hello I have just downloaded a .tar.gz file and I don`t get how to install it! |
| 06:35.43 | raynerd | any help? |
| 06:37.19 | raynerd | I am trying to use this tutorial : http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/install-tarballs/ but the first command: $ tar zxf file.tar.gz surely I need to point to it?? |
| 06:37.32 | raptor67682 | any idea how to growisofs/wodim to burn onto DVD an single file.rar ? |
| 06:38.05 | peterrooney | raynerd: generally, tar -ztf file.tar.gz will say what's in it and tar -zxf file.tar.gz will extract it |
| 06:38.56 | raynerd | so I`m sorry about this, I`m a Windows user mainly and just trying to get my head around it. So do I double click/open the file |
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| 06:39.49 | raynerd | if I do, I see it open in file roller and I can then extract the files. |
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| 06:42.29 | raynerd | I now how a folder for the software but now no idea how to install it |
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| 06:43.16 | peterrooney | raynerd: how much familiarity do you have with the command line interface? |
| 06:44.50 | raynerd | despite several days of trying...vertually zero familiarity |
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| 06:45.36 | raynerd | so I`m reading that I need to write tar -xzvf ${filename}.tar.gz to unpack it, but I surely need to point to the file location..no? |
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| 06:47.16 | peterrooney | raynerd: usually, tarballs generate their own folder ; but it can't hurt to make a special folder for it. |
| 06:48.08 | peterrooney | raynerd: mkdir project_name ; mv file.tar.gz project_name/ ; cd project_name; tar -zxf file.tar.gz |
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| 06:50.02 | peterrooney | raynerd: yes, it's normally expected that you will first cd to whereever the file is, or move it to where your shell's Present Working Directory. (i) where is the file, and (2) what is the output of "pwd" ? |
| 06:50.39 | raynerd | so the file is in home/raynerd/downloads |
| 06:50.49 | raynerd | how do I know what the output ? |
| 06:51.10 | peterrooney | raynerd: type in "pwd" (without the quotes) |
| 06:51.12 | raynerd | in your instructions above, what is "project name" |
| 06:52.04 | peterrooney | raynerd: I don't know what tarball you have downloaded or what you want it for - so I don't have a name for your project |
| 06:52.17 | raynerd | Oh I see... slic3r |
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| 06:54.08 | raynerd | mkdir slic3r ; mv slic3r-linux-x86-0-7-2b.tar.gz slic3r/ ; cd slic3r; tar -zxf slic3r-linux-x86-0-7-2b.tar.gz |
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| 06:55.29 | raynerd | it didn`t like that. mv: cannot stat `slic3r-linux-x86-0-7-2b.tar.gz': No such file or directory + more errors |
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| 07:04.35 | raynerd | peterrooney - ok, I`ve run through all your steps one at a time. |
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| 07:05.57 | peterrooney | raynerd: something like mv /home/raynerd/downloads/slic3r-linux-x86-0-7-2b.tar.gz project_name/ |
| 07:06.08 | raynerd | OK |
| 07:06.19 | peterrooney | then cd project_name |
| 07:06.23 | raynerd | I`ve got it, I run through your lines step by step...they did mean something !! :D |
| 07:06.43 | raynerd | yes, I`ve now extracted it but I need to install it now I presume! |
| 07:07.34 | raynerd | (just an aside, why project_name/ I didn`t use the ending / |
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| 07:08.30 | peterrooney | raynerd: whatever it is ( I know nothing about the slic3r project), there's usually a README file, sometimes README.txt |
| 07:08.52 | raynerd | there is a folder called install and in there an appinstall.dat file along with a folder xdg . |
| 07:08.59 | raynerd | Yes, I can`t find a readme |
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| 07:12.26 | Perl_Monk | hi, is there a way to specify a specific doc install directory (default: /usr/share/doc/<package>), when issueing dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 07:16.32 | babilen | Perl_Monk: no |
| 07:17.35 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, in ubuntu most of the supported wifi cards work out-of-the-box without the user needing to install the drivers; is there anything similar to this in debian? |
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| 07:17.47 | babilen | Perl_Monk: Look into "man dh_installdocs", but /usr/share/doc/<package> is AFAIK an invariant |
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| 07:18.49 | Perl_Monk | babilen: so I assume hooking to post install would be the most suitable way, tnx |
| 07:18.56 | babilen | paranoidphreak: Yes, the actual drivers are part of the kernel so you don't have to install them in most cases. A difference between Ubuntu and Debian is however that Debian does not ship firmware by default. You therefore need to install the firmware in question if your hardware requires it. |
| 07:19.26 | babilen | Perl_Monk: Ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net as well. Please also tell us there what/why you would want to do that. |
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| 07:19.49 | mick_laptop | anyone running ksplice? |
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| 07:20.07 | mick_laptop | I was wondering wtf the key thing is that the website talks about |
| 07:20.10 | babilen | paranoidphreak: Which wireless adaptor are we talking about here? |
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| 07:20.34 | mick_laptop | after installing via the stable repo - nothing was asked re: api key |
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| 07:22.52 | paranoidphreak | babilen: the problem is that i have installed debian on a usb stick......i will be booting from this stick on multiple laptops and i need the wifi card to work that are supported; otherwise, i have to find drivers for multiple cards when they are needed |
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| 07:27.56 | mick_laptop | ah i just found kexec |
| 07:27.57 | babilen | paranoidphreak: Well, you can either install the firmware packages manually (with dpkg -i the-firmware.deb), build a custom live cd (cf. http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2011/03/msg00204.html) or use a difference live cd such as GRML (which is excellent) |
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| 07:29.30 | mick_laptop | damn |
| 07:29.57 | paranoidphreak | babilen: thanks |
| 07:31.30 | mick_laptop | I don't get this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610517 |
| 07:31.51 | mick_laptop | is that serious? or can I just go ahead and try it? |
| 07:33.14 | mick_laptop | ah build failed |
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| 07:33.22 | mick_laptop | ok, so that won't matter |
| 07:33.23 | babilen | mick_laptop: Are you compiling kexec-tools yourself? |
| 07:33.56 | babilen | mick_laptop: And is that "don't get" as in "don't experience / can't reproduce" or as in "don't understand" ? |
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| 07:37.26 | mick_laptop | babilen: "don't get" as in, it is 3:30am and my brain is working at 1/2 speed |
| 07:37.43 | mick_laptop | I get it now ;) |
| 07:37.57 | mick_laptop | I just haven't figured out what to do now that I have it installed |
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| 07:38.13 | mick_laptop | I guess I need to reboot since it is a kernel patch |
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| 07:39.09 | mick_laptop | well, I'll reboot and then figure out this whole kexec thing |
| 07:39.13 | mick_laptop | brb |
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| 07:41.01 | mick_home | well this sucks |
| 07:41.11 | mick_home | it is stuck on: |
| 07:41.25 | mick_home | Will now start with kexec |
| 07:41.32 | mick_home | Starting new kernel |
| 07:42.17 | mick_home | pulling power to restart |
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| 07:44.44 | mick_home | wonders if you can use kexec if you use harddrive encryption |
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| 07:48.11 | gnarface | how reliable is kexec on squeeze if you're *not* doing anything weird with your harddrive? |
| 07:48.24 | gnarface | i'm just curious how far its gotten |
| 07:48.33 | mick_home | can you use LVM / hdd encryption w/ kexec? |
| 07:48.52 | gnarface | good question |
| 07:48.55 | mick_home | I'm sure you need to do something special |
| 07:49.31 | mick_home | since my box started to act funny (like the graphics driver started to... I can't explain it) |
| 07:49.59 | mick_home | gnarface: try it |
| 07:50.10 | mick_home | I just tried it on squeeze |
| 07:50.25 | mick_home | I do weird things w/ my hdd |
| 07:50.37 | mick_home | so your mileage may be better |
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| 07:52.40 | gnarface | mick_home: not tonight i'm not |
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| 07:52.49 | gnarface | mick_home: maybe later |
| 07:52.56 | mick_home | ummm, it installed on my amd64 - but I'm reading that it is only supported on 32 bit |
| 07:53.05 | mick_home | gnarface: why not? ;) |
| 07:53.38 | gnarface | mick_home: uh... cause i've heard people are having trouble with it, that's why :-p |
| 07:53.53 | mick_home | not an issue |
| 07:53.56 | mick_home | just restart |
| 07:54.12 | mick_home | then it won't use kexec |
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| 07:54.52 | mick_home | these docs are old |
| 07:54.56 | mick_home | I think |
| 07:55.09 | mick_home | it mentions "hasn't been ported to 2.6 kernel" |
| 07:55.21 | mick_home | I'm reading the developerWorks stuff |
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| 08:06.13 | capitanotheking | ciao |
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| 08:09.23 | mick_laptop | gnarface: ya, so far I can't get kexec to work (I've tried a bunch of suggestions that the package maintainer has suggested to others to troubleshoot) |
| 08:09.26 | mick_laptop | no dice |
| 08:13.10 | mick_laptop | sim_: aptitude install kdewebdev |
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| 08:14.18 | sim_ | there is no link to add in sources.list |
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| 08:14.46 | mick_laptop | sim_: no, it is in squeeze |
| 08:14.47 | mick_laptop | just d/l it |
| 08:14.59 | mick_laptop | well, just install it rather |
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| 08:15.43 | sim_ | unable to find teh link |
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| 08:16.16 | sim_ | sorry? |
| 08:16.32 | mick_laptop | sim_: have you ever installed anything on debian? |
| 08:16.44 | sim_ | yes |
| 08:16.57 | sim_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.08 | mick_laptop | ok, whatever way you did it... put in the name: kdewebdev |
| 08:17.29 | mick_laptop | apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, whatever |
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| 08:18.06 | sim_ | sudo aptitude install kdewebdev |
| 08:18.23 | sim_ | no package is found |
| 08:18.27 | mick_laptop | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kdewebdev |
| 08:19.09 | mick_laptop | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:19.21 | mick_laptop | sim_: what does that say ^^^ |
| 08:19.45 | sim_ | 6.0.3 |
| 08:20.08 | mick_laptop | it should be showing up, that is really odd |
| 08:20.28 | sim_ | debian? |
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| 08:20.51 | mick_laptop | no - I mean "no package is found" |
| 08:20.59 | mick_laptop | it should find that package |
| 08:21.30 | mick_laptop | just for the heck of it - run this first: sudo aptitude update |
| 08:21.34 | mick_laptop | and try again |
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| 08:23.15 | sim_ | same error |
| 08:23.37 | mick_laptop | what does your sources.list look like? |
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| 08:25.27 | mick_laptop | sim_: one guess that I have is that it isn't pulling updates from the web but instead from cd or something? (just a guess) |
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| 08:25.47 | sim_ | this is my sources.list |
| 08:26.14 | mick_laptop | pastebin it |
| 08:26.45 | sim_ | http://pastebin.com/m2DceN8u |
| 08:27.19 | sim_ | from web |
| 08:28.45 | mick_laptop | ya, I see a duplicate entry but nothing out of the ordinary |
| 08:29.17 | mick_laptop | and anything else isn't a problem, right? |
| 08:29.30 | sim_ | no |
| 08:29.49 | mick_laptop | "no" as in "no problem" - right? |
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| 08:30.12 | sim_ | yes |
| 08:30.32 | mick_laptop | can you install kde? |
| 08:30.38 | mick_laptop | do you have kde? |
| 08:30.44 | sim_ | gnome |
| 08:31.04 | mick_laptop | you will need kde's libraries for quanta+ |
| 08:31.12 | mick_laptop | so go ahead and d/l them |
| 08:31.26 | sim_ | whiwh ones please |
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| 08:35.07 | mick_laptop | sim_: I just noticed something weird |
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| 08:35.22 | mick_laptop | it seems that quanta plus is abandoned |
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| 08:35.34 | mick_laptop | last release was like 5 years ago |
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| 08:36.10 | mick_laptop | I also see that it used to be in lenny but it was dropped in squeeze (kdewebdev no longer includes quanta) |
| 08:36.17 | babilen | yes |
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| 08:36.44 | mick_laptop | it even depends on kde 3.5 |
| 08:37.05 | sim_ | ok i choosed bluefish |
| 08:37.15 | mick_laptop | which is the last time kde put out anything that I liked (a long time ago) |
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| 08:37.36 | mick_laptop | there is also kompoZer (if that is still around) |
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| 08:38.01 | mick_laptop | sim_: what kind of web stuff do you do? |
| 08:38.33 | sim_ | a basic html page for testing a bean |
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| 08:40.58 | mick_laptop | you are doing java and you aren't using netbeans or eclipse? |
| 08:41.04 | mick_laptop | seriously? |
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| 08:42.08 | mick_laptop | sim_: I'd go w/ netbeans |
| 08:42.25 | sim_ | ok |
| 08:42.33 | mick_laptop | or eclipse (w/o too many plugins) <-- plugins seem to just kill eclipse |
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| 08:42.52 | mick_laptop | netbeans may be huge, but it is really nice for java development |
| 08:43.12 | mick_laptop | I've found it to be a lot more stable, but go with what you like |
| 08:43.24 | mick_laptop | I used to be a big fan of eclipse myself |
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| 08:44.03 | mick_laptop | I was just burned a few times with having some plugin that just broke everything (I'll admit that I had like 35 plugins) |
| 08:44.17 | mick_laptop | so your mileage will vary |
| 08:44.21 | mick_laptop | it was also years ago |
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| 08:50.44 | swombat_ | anyone got a link to a decent tutorial for how to set up a network tap in debian squeeze? |
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| 08:55.10 | torpid | swombat_, http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/debian-tun-tap-setup.html - it's for lenny, it's worth a shot |
| 08:55.19 | swombat_ | thank you |
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| 09:05.42 | everythingWorks | hey |
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| 09:06.23 | everythingWorks | Why /proc and /sys do share the same inode? They aren't the same at all I guess. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6559846/si.PNG |
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| 09:19.34 | ws2k3 | how can i see how many ram a proces is using |
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| 09:19.47 | ws2k3 | normaly i use top but there is displays in % i wanne know in MB |
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| 09:20.34 | xand | ws2k3: it's hard to work that out |
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| 09:21.13 | ws2k3 | is that so ? |
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| 09:22.04 | valdyn | ws2k3: top shows the ram, look at "res" |
| 09:22.11 | valdyn | ws2k3: but that value is not very useful |
| 09:23.03 | ws2k3 | hmm oke |
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| 09:28.37 | simonlnu | the more recent top versions are more useful |
| 09:28.56 | simonlnu | VIRT SWAP RES SHR DATA |
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| 09:29.26 | nsadmin | dunno if this is useful... but free gives totals |
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| 09:30.43 | nsadmin | is either the old top or the new top based on ps? |
| 09:31.04 | simonlnu | psmisc |
| 09:31.21 | simonlnu | it resembles ps more now |
| 09:31.54 | simonlnu | free -m is best, but desn't show you per-task |
| 09:32.22 | simonlnu | (with or w/o -m, it's good, i just like using -m) |
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| 09:40.36 | intore_ | hi, i'd like to run the command slapindex using openldap user. i used the command su -c slapindex openldap but it asks me a password that i haven't. how can i do? |
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| 09:42.33 | Guest_ | hi |
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| 09:42.58 | nsadmin | intore_, one way, su - (enter), root passwd |
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| 09:43.12 | nsadmin | then su - openldap |
| 09:43.56 | nsadmin | at that point you should have a shell running as openldap and you can probably do your commands |
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| 09:45.36 | intore_ | nsadmin: mmm, i did it but after did the command it says WARNING! Running as root! |
| 09:45.37 | shellox | hey, how to fix this error? https://raw.github.com/gist/f48110269250ab94d68b/fe6c15a229ae60a98c162210e11f3185b91e21c4/gistfile1.txt |
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| 09:49.51 | nsadmin | shellox, one suggestion... don't send spam mail :) |
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| 09:50.02 | nsadmin | and don't run an open relay |
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| 09:52.33 | g3orge | is xfce 4.9/4.10 available from backports?? |
| 09:52.58 | nsadmin | , versions xfce |
| 09:52.59 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 09:53.10 | nsadmin | dunno by that name |
| 09:53.28 | shellox | nsadmin: it's an incoming message which gets blocked |
| 09:53.38 | shellox | because the score of the sender is too high right? |
| 09:53.48 | intore_ | nsadmin: sorry, do you know others way to do that? |
| 09:54.50 | nsadmin | oh ok, so presumably a spammer is trying to use you as an open relay, which you may or may not be doing |
| 09:55.23 | nsadmin | or if it's not a spammer, we'll say that the software seems to think it is or might be spam |
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| 09:58.05 | os_ | hi |
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| 09:58.41 | os_ | empathy-accounts doesn't work |
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| 10:03.06 | nsadmin | Headline: Empathy-Accounts fails to Work! Talks break down, Strike emminent! |
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| 10:07.24 | g3orge | how can I see what version is going to be installed from apt w/o installing?? |
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| 10:10.05 | ratatata | nu |
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| 10:16.31 | babilen | g3orge: "apt-cache policy PKG" |
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| 10:19.00 | g3orge | babilen: I get two package versions for xfce 4.8 and 4.6. How do I choose which one to be installed? |
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| 10:21.03 | blast_hardcheese | g3orge: How are you seeing those two versions? |
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| 10:21.33 | g3orge | blast_hardc: with apt-cache policy xfce4 |
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| 10:27.01 | babilen | g3orge: Please paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:33.09 | sary | Back. |
| 10:34.02 | sary | nsadmin: excuse me for delay , i went outdoor then came off to sleep. |
| 10:34.50 | sary | nsadmin: you've mentioned "netcat" .. i got it installed. |
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| 10:35.17 | sary | still trying to pastebin the output of full-upgrade. |
| 10:35.55 | sary | this is my apt sources.list http://sprunge.us/IicT |
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| 10:39.00 | jbee | hi folks, i have the etc-dir of a machine, can i somehow extract the list of installed packages from it? |
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| 10:40.12 | themill | jbee: that's not in /etc anywhere |
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| 10:40.44 | jbee | themill: hrmpf, ok. thanks themill |
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| 10:45.48 | arackna | which is the package I should install when the network proxy option is missing in the preferences? GNOME |
| 10:46.53 | sary | it seems that nsadmin is AFK for the moment , does anyone know how to use netcat .. i need to send this text file to anyone. |
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| 10:54.32 | internat | netcat is just like telnet.. |
| 10:54.55 | themill | sary: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 10:57.50 | sary | Iam trying to pastebin the output of aptitude full-upgrade , but unable to paste it useing the web interface . |
| 10:58.45 | themill | sary: you can pipe the output (or cat the file to) "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
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| 11:00.12 | sary | Okay , i'll try that. |
| 11:00.28 | swombat | is there a debian installer image that can be used to do a non-networked install? |
| 11:01.01 | themill | sary: btw do you have any packages from "contrib" installed? You should change your squeeze sources.list line for contrib to "wheezy". Also, there's no wheezy-updates repository yet so that will just be just generating 404s. |
| 11:01.06 | valdyn | swombat: the first cd or dvd or bd |
| 11:01.10 | themill | swombat: all except the business card can do that. |
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| 11:03.00 | swombat | valdyn: themill: so, like: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/xen/initrd.gz ? |
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| 11:03.16 | swombat | at just 16MB it will be able to do a full install? |
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| 11:03.37 | swombat | (enough that I can then set up the networking properly after it boots) |
| 11:03.54 | themill | swombat: that's not an installer image (really)... you want the ISO images |
| 11:04.15 | swombat | themill: ah... I'm looking in totally the wrong place? |
| 11:04.41 | UNIm95 | Hi all! What version of gnome is in debian-testing? Gnome-3 or gnome 2.32? |
| 11:04.44 | themill | dpkg: tell swombat about cdimage |
| 11:04.49 | xand | UNIm95: 3 |
| 11:04.55 | swombat | than you |
| 11:04.57 | swombat | *thank |
| 11:05.31 | UNIm95 | Xand thank's. |
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| 11:05.42 | sary | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.53 | swombat | hmm, there are 52 ISO CDs |
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| 11:06.40 | UNIm95 | xand: xfce version is 4.8 and there is no mate-desktop? |
| 11:06.47 | jbee | sary: cat <yourfile> | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
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| 11:07.01 | swombat | themill: is the first CD enough to do a minimal install? |
| 11:07.13 | jbee | swombat: yes |
| 11:07.20 | themill | swombat: depending on what you need to set up your network, the netinst would normally be enough |
| 11:07.27 | swombat | xok |
| 11:07.30 | sary | themill: how can i tell if there is any package installed from contrib ! |
| 11:07.30 | swombat | *ok. Thanks! |
| 11:07.37 | sary | jbee: okay. |
| 11:07.51 | themill | swombat: if, however, you want to use network-manager with gnome, then I believe you need CD1 and CD2. |
| 11:08.06 | swombat | no, this is a server |
| 11:08.09 | swombat | I don't want X |
| 11:08.16 | themill | dpkg: tell sary about contrib list |
| 11:08.58 | themill | sary: you may as well just change that line to read "wheezy" instead of "squeeze". |
| 11:09.17 | sary | Alright , i've done "cat /home/sa/Desktop/d1 | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
| 11:09.24 | sary | themill: okay. |
| 11:09.48 | themill | sary: it will have given you back a URL when you did that |
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| 11:10.15 | themill | sary: hmm... how big is that file? |
| 11:11.21 | sary | themill: am still wating for the URL , the file size is 46.9 KB . |
| 11:11.37 | dokma|2 | if I do cat /dev/hda | gzip | ssh to transfer my dedicated server main disk to my desktop what will happen to empty space on the drive? |
| 11:11.44 | dokma|2 | are those all zeroes? |
| 11:12.13 | themill | sary: btw if this is for squeeze->wheezy, you'd probably be better off with apt-get than aptitude. |
| 11:12.31 | dokma | I have a feel that if empty space are all zeroes that gzip will have a feast and it will run much faster |
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| 11:12.43 | dokma | is that a good guess? |
| 11:13.06 | dokma | my main disk is ext3 btw... |
| 11:13.35 | sary | themill: noted , so then i should do apt-get dist-upgrade .. right ! |
| 11:13.57 | themill | sary: yes. aptitude sometimes struggles with big upgrades |
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| 11:18.15 | sary | themill: you're right , and thats exactly what happend yesterday with " aptitude full-upgrade " . |
| 11:20.27 | sary | and , also after my connection dropped it messed-up the upgrade process. |
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| 11:22.16 | SomeoneWeird | are there fprint packages for debian? |
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| 11:23.11 | sary | I'm still watting on that URL , it must be something to do with my awful connection .. how good is the speed of 14 to 20 kb/s ! |
| 11:23.46 | themill | sary: just ^C that -- I suspect paste.d.n will reject such a large paste anyway |
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| 11:24.07 | sary | themill: done. |
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| 11:24.50 | sary | leem try another paste service .. |
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| 11:27.39 | SomeoneWeird | anyone? |
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| 11:28.54 | sary | SomeoneWeird: for fingerprint reader devices ! |
| 11:29.05 | SomeoneWeird | um, yes? |
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| 11:31.42 | sary | SomeoneWeird: there is the package "libfprint0" from the the fprint project. you can check it in synaptic. |
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| 11:32.41 | swombat | themill: is there a netinst that does the installation process via the serial console? |
| 11:33.32 | sary | themill: i got connection timed out with/from nc http://paste.debian.net/ 1234 |
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| 11:34.36 | nikolam | hello, how to update debian 5 install? |
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| 11:35.00 | nikolam | it is saying that network can not reach update?? |
| 11:35.17 | themill | nikolam: /topic |
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| 11:35.41 | themill | sary: yeah, paste.d.n doesn't offer a paste-via-netcat service like that. paste.dyndns.org does. |
| 11:35.44 | nikolam | why a woul anyone remove it from mirrors? |
| 11:36.01 | themill | nikolam: because it is no longer supported, and hasn't been for a few months |
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| 11:36.35 | nikolam | and what should I do now? I was thinking debian is good for serers for long suport. |
| 11:36.39 | nikolam | servers |
| 11:36.41 | themill | swombat: the regular netinst should do that but you'd have to look at the installer documentation -- /msg dpkg ig |
| 11:36.59 | swombat | thanks |
| 11:37.05 | themill | nikolam: squeeze has been ready and waiting for you to upgrade to it for 14 months. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:37.38 | nikolam | aha, so dpkg bot should tell me |
| 11:38.53 | themill | nikolam: the upgrade is normally quite straightforward, but you should read the release notes and follow the instructions to navigate your way around any gotchas |
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| 11:40.15 | fasta | nikolam: you could write a program which calls your mobile phone when a new Debian release is out. |
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| 11:40.57 | themill | (or subscribe to debian-announce... and debian-security-announce while you're at it) |
| 11:41.40 | nikolam | or I could falsely rely on automatic updates to just update to newer release. |
| 11:42.18 | themill | no... that will end in tears |
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| 11:43.02 | nikolam | starts wining about btrfs/snapshots integrated in upgrade process, like on openindiana/solaris. |
| 11:43.36 | themill | nikolam: that would be the btrfs support that's non-existent in lenny? |
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| 11:44.39 | nikolam | Think I like most about Debian is software policy, community and wide hardware support (providing flash dies soon) |
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| 11:45.21 | nikolam | themill, I was mostly thinking of installing on zfs. |
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| 11:46.27 | swombat | I've unpacked an installer iso and am wanting to edit the boot parameters... anyone know what file holds those, in the iso? |
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| 11:53.36 | sary | themill: aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)' |
| 11:53.37 | sary | i firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-ser |
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| 11:56.03 | themill | sary: sounds like you need both the contrib and non-free components available then, and you should make sure everything says "wheezy" not "squeeze" in your sources.list |
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| 11:56.40 | sary | themill: if you or anyone don't mind .. i can open a /query window and send the text file. |
| 11:56.53 | sary | themill: okay , will do. |
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| 11:57.47 | swombat | anyone know which file on the debian installer image holds the boot parameters? (so I can force-specify DEBIAN_FRONTENT=text) |
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| 12:03.09 | swombat | I'm guessing I need to edit a file in the isolinux folder... but not sure which |
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| 12:03.51 | abrotman | have you tried using expert mode? |
| 12:03.54 | terron | what package is xdrb a part of? I'm trying to change uxterm's default background/foreground colors in xfce4, but everything I've found which shows how to do that requires xdrb. Nothing shows up in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents and there's no man page for it, though |
| 12:03.59 | abrotman | what's wrong with the ncurses interface ? |
| 12:04.14 | abrotman | !tell terron about apt-file |
| 12:05.17 | swombat | abrotman: using expert mode? |
| 12:05.36 | swombat | abrotman: I'm trying to edit an iso to set a boot parameter so this damn thing boots into text mode so I can actually access it |
| 12:05.39 | terron | abrotman: still no results |
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| 12:07.35 | superlinux-hp | hi. I just need to use the update-alternatives command to set the default [wish] interpreter from 8.4 to 8.5. please help. |
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| 12:07.58 | superlinux-hp | the command is not clear on how to use it |
| 12:08.46 | g3orge | anyone has a faenza-like icon of the Debian logo? for the menu? |
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| 12:09.30 | mynameisdeleted | so... root is raid1 dual drive |
| 12:09.46 | mynameisdeleted | mdtools can expand this to raid5 with 3 or 4 o 5 drives |
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| 12:10.17 | mynameisdeleted | this changes the size of the raid device so the old gpt geometry doesnt work anymore |
| 12:10.23 | mynameisdeleted | will gpt handle this |
| 12:10.27 | mynameisdeleted | and can ext4 then be grown? |
| 12:10.33 | mynameisdeleted | to fill a larger disk size |
| 12:11.27 | superlinux-hp | thanks.. i did it myself |
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| 12:12.24 | mynameisdeleted | is llvm better than software raid? |
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| 12:14.45 | mynameisdeleted | I mean lvm |
| 12:14.48 | mynameisdeleted | logical volume manager |
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| 12:16.08 | mynameisdeleted | my main reason for raid is I didnt want a single bad-sector or drive failure to cause me to loose files |
| 12:16.21 | mynameisdeleted | the drives I use are 3TB each so size is generally not an issue but more might be nice |
| 12:16.42 | mynameisdeleted | the other reason is a potential speed boost from reading from more than one drive at a time |
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| 12:18.01 | mynameisdeleted | wikipedia says lvm doesnt even provide redundancy, so if it is now supported its a beta-grade patch.. which shoudl be avoided as data-backup should definately be made as stable as possible |
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| 12:22.45 | mynameisdeleted | glusterfs might be an ok alternative |
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| 12:25.02 | bugsbunny23 | ciao |
| 12:25.07 | bugsbunny23 | !list |
| 12:25.07 | dpkg | bugsbunny23: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:00.15 | sary | could someone assist me , i need to pastebin a text file .. am facing an issue with my connection to upload to a web interface . |
| 13:00.35 | sary | I can send the file via DCC. |
| 13:01.40 | valdyn | mykhal: mdraid and lvm are not alternatives, they are stackable |
| 13:01.50 | valdyn | oops |
| 13:02.23 | grafdiffuzor | Can Wheezy be used on desktop box already on i686? Are there any nasty bugs for desktops? |
| 13:02.48 | xand | it works fine on my laptop (x86_64) |
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| 13:03.47 | sary | xand: did you upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade , or aptitude full-upgrade ! |
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| 13:05.59 | xand | sary: neither, I installed it as testing |
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| 13:07.06 | sary | xand: ah , cool. :) |
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| 13:09.20 | LV-426 | hello all, I've got both e1000 & e1000e interface drivers available, e1000e causing trouble... besides blacklisting, is it possible to to specify which should be used by each interface ? |
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| 13:11.01 | saiju | hi all |
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| 13:32.53 | grafdiffuzor | It seems that there's no Sun/Oracle Java in Wheezy. Why? |
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| 13:33.39 | jbee | grafdiffuzor: licensing |
| 13:33.44 | jbee | iirc |
| 13:34.30 | jbee | on the other hand, openjdk7 is the reference implementation anyway.. |
| 13:35.26 | abrotman | grafdiffuzor: use openjdk |
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| 13:35.47 | grafdiffuzor | ok guys, understood |
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| 14:04.23 | garo | I'm using rsync for my backups, i have a dir /mnt/foo that i want to backup but there is a nfs mount on it, is it possible still backup the files in /mnt/foo on the hard drive without unmount the nfs-mount ? |
| 14:04.35 | garo | (sorry for the bad explanation) |
| 14:05.04 | abrotman | wait what? |
| 14:05.19 | garo | suppose /mnt/foo contains the file 'alfa' |
| 14:05.20 | abrotman | if you unmount the nfs mount, how would you access the files? |
| 14:05.38 | phogg | abrotman: it's on the underlying fs, the mountpoint hides access to it |
| 14:05.48 | abrotman | phogg: on a remote system ? |
| 14:05.57 | abrotman | oh, it's a local mount, shared out via NFS |
| 14:06.00 | dokma | if I use parted to resize a partition will it resize the file system as well? |
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| 14:06.07 | phogg | touch /mnt/foo/bar ; mount remote:/ /mnt/foo # how do you access /mnt/foo/bar? |
| 14:06.11 | themill | garo: does --one-files-system option to rsync help? |
| 14:06.19 | dokma | abrotman: ??? |
| 14:06.21 | garo | the host bar has /somedir that contains beta |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | dokma: hi? no |
| 14:06.26 | phogg | themill: that should just prevent it from descending at all |
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| 14:06.42 | garo | i have bar:/somedir nfs-mounted on /mnt/foo |
| 14:06.45 | dokma | abrotman: thanks man |
| 14:06.47 | themill | phogg: I think we're all just guessing at what he actually has |
| 14:06.59 | garo | so it looks like that /mnt/foo contains beta and there is no trace of alfa |
| 14:07.01 | phogg | themill: I am, but it seem pretty clear. |
| 14:07.09 | garo | but i want to backup beta and not alfa |
| 14:07.43 | themill | phogg: if you say so... I though it was pretty clear he had /mnt/foo that he wanted to back up and /mnt/foo/bar that was an nfs-mount that he didn't... |
| 14:07.53 | garo | sorry, i mean i want to backup alfa not beta |
| 14:08.04 | phogg | garo: Okay then, I'm wrong and I don't understand the problem. Why can't you access /mnt/foo/beta? |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | is more confused now :) |
| 14:08.32 | phogg | I take that back... |
| 14:08.54 | garo | i suck at explaing things :( |
| 14:09.14 | phogg | garo: do you mean "How do I access files in a directory which are hidden due to having another filesystem mounted on that directory?"? |
| 14:09.30 | garo | yes |
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| 14:10.05 | abrotman | you mounted a filesystem over your files ? |
| 14:10.40 | nixfreak | I install debian squeeze using cd only and updated but unless something has changed , all my repos are expried ? |
| 14:10.42 | nixfreak | http://pastebin.me/5b0af5f7300c1a74253155a629010f65 |
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| 14:11.06 | nixfreak | I can't even install simple programs now |
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| 14:11.13 | phogg | garo: okay, you can bind-mount the parent dir somewhere else |
| 14:11.15 | nixfreak | I am using amd64 |
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| 14:11.50 | phogg | garo: mkdir /bind ; mount --bind /mnt /bind ; ls /bind/foo/alfa |
| 14:12.02 | abrotman | nixfreak: you sohuld uncomment line 10 |
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| 14:12.20 | garo | hm, that could work |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | nixfreak: what is the error from 'aptitude update;aptitude install debian-archive-keyring' ? |
| 14:12.26 | phogg | garo: and then umount ASAP, because this is some freaky stuff and who knows how it works., |
| 14:13.01 | nixfreak | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release (invalid since 358d 3h 23min 44s) |
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| 14:13.24 | abrotman | nixfreak: have you also install debian-keyring ? |
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| 14:13.33 | nixfreak | no |
| 14:13.37 | abrotman | eh wait .. that's not your fault? |
| 14:14.00 | themill | nixfreak: what's the output of "date" on that machine? |
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| 14:14.28 | nixfreak | Mon Apr 29 12:13:56 CDT 2013 |
| 14:14.35 | abrotman | he's from the future! |
| 14:14.41 | nixfreak | oh shit lol |
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| 14:14.47 | nixfreak | how did that happen |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | nixfreak: install ntp |
| 14:15.06 | nixfreak | can't |
| 14:15.19 | nixfreak | root@Chaos:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# apt-get install ntp Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package ntp |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | nixfreak: did you uncomment line 10 yet? |
| 14:15.50 | nixfreak | yes |
| 14:15.57 | abrotman | nixfreak: apt-get update;apt-get install ntp |
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| 14:16.48 | nixfreak | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release (invalid since 358d 3h 40min 32s) Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package ntp |
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| 14:18.41 | abrotman | nixfreak: what does hwclock say? |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | or just use "date --set" to set it |
| 14:19.35 | babilen | nixfreak: Can't you set the time a a sensible value manually with "date --set" and let ntp take care of the fine tuning later? |
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| 14:20.01 | nixfreak | yeah I just set the date manually |
| 14:20.07 | abrotman | is apt-get happier? |
| 14:20.11 | nixfreak | looks like its loading now |
| 14:20.14 | nixfreak | lol looks like |
| 14:20.22 | nixfreak | wow I never saw that |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | nixfreak: FYI, you may get angry things about dates from the future |
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| 14:20.56 | nixfreak | lol ha ha |
| 14:21.20 | babilen | nixfreak: And make sure that ntp is installed, configured and running correctly now :) |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | blames the cat |
| 14:21.53 | nixfreak | yeah its installed now |
| 14:22.28 | nixfreak | whats a good media player for kids |
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| 14:23.05 | abrotman | your kids are probably smart enough to fix the clock on your computer |
| 14:23.24 | nixfreak | funny man |
| 14:23.40 | abrotman | seriously, most of them are pretty similar .. |
| 14:23.41 | nixfreak | I haven't touched debian for years |
| 14:23.53 | nixfreak | and want to get my 6 year set up |
| 14:24.04 | abrotman | but you may want to specify which type of media? music? video? |
| 14:24.30 | nixfreak | I was thinking miro which is nice |
| 14:24.39 | abrotman | isn't that not on linux anymore? |
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| 14:24.52 | abrotman | oh, guess it is .. i was thinking of Songbird |
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| 14:25.18 | abrotman | but for a basic player, Totem and VLC are easy enough |
| 14:25.33 | nixfreak | yeah i live vlc |
| 14:25.40 | nixfreak | like vlc I can just skin it too |
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| 14:32.19 | dokma | abrotman: do you know if resize2fs always starts the filesystem from the begining of the partition? |
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| 14:33.17 | abrotman | dokma: nope |
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| 14:33.37 | dokma | abrotman: any easy way to check where does the filesystem start within a partition? |
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| 14:35.37 | moty66 | why i am getting Cron error in syslog after upgrading to squeeze |
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| 14:35.41 | moty66 | (www-data) CMD (php /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>/var/log/cacti/poller-error.log) |
| 14:35.42 | moty66 | (CRON) error (grandchild #28455 failed with exit status 1) |
| 14:36.00 | abrotman | dokma: you're asking the wrong person |
| 14:36.12 | dokma | abrotman: thanks man! |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | moty66: try running that script manually |
| 14:36.42 | moty66 | abrotman: I get this error on other crons |
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| 14:37.03 | moty66 | abrotman: and all scripts runs fine if I call them manually |
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| 14:37.42 | abrotman | moty66: are you sure your system is fully upgraded to squeeze? |
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| 14:38.16 | moty66 | abrotman: not sure, I did dist-upgrade two days ago |
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| 14:39.15 | jean_brat | hi all, I am connected to internet by Ethernet, I am trying to use my laptop WIFI as an access point for my mobile phone to update the firmware on my phone. |
| 14:39.40 | jean_brat | can it be done? |
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| 14:39.45 | jerome__ | hello i gota dependencies problems while trying to install cnijfilter common and those specific for my printer under squeeze 64 , about libcupsys2 , i see it's a virtual package given by libcups2 but even with --refuse-depends orignore-depends thepackage cannotbeconfigured |
| 14:39.46 | moty66 | abrotman: I did also apt-get update & apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:40.22 | abrotman | moty66: is anything held back ? |
| 14:40.33 | moty66 | abrotman: no |
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| 14:41.51 | jerome__ | an otherthing the package is for I386 so i use the --force-architecture too |
| 14:42.29 | jerome__ | does the file of libcupsysis really gave by libcups2 ? |
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| 14:44.08 | jerome__ | i use the --force-all this seemsto be pass |
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| 14:44.39 | moty66 | abrotman: maybe it is related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608874 |
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| 14:45.58 | abrotman | moty66: do you have that verswion of cron ? |
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| 14:46.51 | cantoma | hey guys, what is the most lightweight x window manager? |
| 14:47.04 | valdyn | cantoma: evilwm |
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| 14:47.39 | moty66 | abrotman: how can I get the installed version ? |
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| 14:48.38 | abrotman | moty66: dpkg -l |
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| 14:49.37 | moty66 | abrotman: cron 3.0pl1-116 |
| 14:49.48 | moty66 | abrotman: Linux dev 2.6.26-2-powerpc #1 Thu Feb 11 01:36:51 UTC 2010 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 14:50.10 | moty66 | abrotman: debian_version 6.0.4 |
| 14:50.38 | cantoma | valdyn, do you know any other that is still being developed |
| 14:50.52 | moty66 | abrotman: the same version |
| 14:51.03 | valdyn | cantoma: yes, lots |
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| 14:51.50 | abrotman | moty66: your kernel is very out of date |
| 14:52.03 | abrotman | moty66: aptitude install linux-image-powerpc |
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| 14:52.14 | abrotman | moty66: i wonder what else is out of date |
| 14:52.27 | cantoma | valdyn, i wonder wmaker do you recommend it? |
| 14:52.35 | coolguy4 | Can I suspend an X session, so that after a reboto I can reload all the windows and programs just how I had left them? |
| 14:52.51 | abrotman | you mean like .. suspend ? |
| 14:53.02 | valdyn | cantoma: use it if you like it... |
| 14:53.07 | moty66 | abrotman: i thought dist-upgrade will upgrade everything, including the kernel |
| 14:53.14 | coolguy4 | abrotman: yes, but what 'suspend' are you talking about? |
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| 14:53.20 | abrotman | system suspend |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | moty66: only if you have the metapackage isntalled |
| 14:54.21 | cantoma | valdyn, i will give it a go |
| 14:54.39 | coolguy4 | abrotman: Maybe i will use that. But I don't want a complete system suspend. I only want the window positions saved and the programs within each window. |
| 14:54.55 | coolguy4 | abrotman: the state of the programs don't need to be saved |
| 14:55.08 | moty66 | abrotman: i still get the same kernel version after aptitude install linux-image-powerpc |
| 14:55.31 | somiaj | coolguy4: so you want a session manager? So you can shutdown and then next time you login your session is restored? |
| 14:55.57 | coolguy4 | somiaj: yes, perhaps that is what I want. |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | moty66: have you rebooted lately? |
| 14:56.25 | somiaj | I belive gnome (default desktop) ahs a session manager, but I don't know how to use it, something like gnome-session-save when you got it setup like you want |
| 14:56.30 | nvz | cantoma: matchbox aims to provide the most gui functionality with the least resources it has been used on phones, pdas, and is the basis for the olpc xo's sugar interface |
| 14:56.37 | moty66 | abrotman: uptime |
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| 14:56.39 | moty66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.44 | abrotman | that's a big no |
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| 14:56.49 | moty66 | :) |
| 14:56.52 | abrotman | thus, you won't boot your new kernel |
| 14:57.46 | moty66 | abrotman: is it safe to reboot, I can't reach this computer for 3 days |
| 14:58.07 | coolguy4 | somiaj: well I'm using openbox, but now you've given me the correct keyword to search for... 'session manager' :) |
| 14:58.30 | coolguy4 | thanks |
| 14:59.06 | cantoma | nvz, my aim is for desktop |
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| 15:03.23 | nvz | cantoma: right well they have the most features and components of any minimalist |
| 15:03.38 | cantoma | nvz, cheers i will have a look |
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| 15:05.16 | ptrkmj | is it possible to access 'mobile broadband' internet services during netinst? |
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| 15:07.10 | moty66 | abrotman: i try to add "|cat" and I will reboot when I am near the computer |
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| 15:08.00 | moty66 | abrotman: it works fine now |
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| 15:12.39 | somiaj | ptrkmj: probabaly depends on the mobil broadband device you have. Some just act like a router you can connect to with a wired/wireless interfaces. |
| 15:13.44 | somiaj | ptrkmj: note many wireless (and some wired) interfaces require non-free firmware, which won't be on the netinstaller. My suggestion in most cases is use the netinstaller to install the base/minimal system (do not need internet for this). Then boot into your newly installed debian, configure the internet (might require copying over some .deb files for the firmware) and then finish the install after that |
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| 15:18.59 | fasta | Where can I get a new version of ldconfig from upstream, that is? |
| 15:19.09 | phasma | i don't suppose anybody here has any experience in getting the elive iso onto a mobile broadband dongle, by any chance? |
| 15:19.39 | fasta | phasma: dongles are usually used for something else. |
| 15:19.46 | fasta | phasma: what are you talking about? |
| 15:19.53 | valdyn | fasta: www.eglibc.org ? |
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| 15:20.21 | fasta | valdyn: what happens if I install a very new version on Debian Stable? |
| 15:20.46 | fasta | valdyn: will it kill kittens or will I get rid of some warning that the old ldconfig complains about? |
| 15:20.48 | phasma | fasta: It has a 2GB microsd card in there. Trying to use it as a normal pendrive, but the partitioning is odd. If refuses to boot, basically |
| 15:21.06 | fasta | phasma: you need to reformat the thing, set the boot flag and go. |
| 15:21.12 | phasma | nope |
| 15:21.21 | fasta | phasma: boot flag is on the file system. |
| 15:21.42 | fasta | phasma: also, define 'refuses to boot'. |
| 15:21.48 | phasma | i've used pendrives countless times. I know the process, it's just that this device is not strictly a "normal" pendrive |
| 15:21.50 | nvz | phasma: it likely presents as a USB hub with devices attached and cannot be seen as a disk directly when plugged in without software to manipulate it |
| 15:22.05 | phasma | that's exactly the problem, aye |
| 15:22.16 | phasma | was hoping somebody knew a way to actually make the thing boot |
| 15:22.22 | ptrkmj | somiaj: my device is huawei e3131 modem and it's not acting like a router. |
| 15:22.28 | nvz | similar to the sandisk U3 software where it presents as a USB hub with a HDD and a CDROM attached only in this case it can only be one or the other |
| 15:22.47 | nvz | you can't make it boot unless you have some higher level BIOS that can manipulate USB flags |
| 15:22.48 | pjc_ | hi |
| 15:22.59 | fasta | phasma: I know a way, but that's different from having a well done solution that takes 5 minutes to run. |
| 15:23.03 | phasma | nvz: gotcha. Thanks a bunch |
| 15:23.11 | fasta | phasma: you basically need to write a small operating system. |
| 15:23.21 | fasta | phasma: basically what GRUB does. |
| 15:23.22 | phasma | i can manage that |
| 15:23.47 | Shojo | phasma: do you have a windows os /vm? |
| 15:23.59 | phasma | i don't but I can do if it'll be easier |
| 15:24.02 | fasta | phasma: so, starting from the MBR, you tell grub to read some data from some device and interpret that. |
| 15:24.40 | ptrkmj | somiaj: how to find out if my device requires non-free firmware? |
| 15:24.43 | Shojo | phasma: i did that really fast and easy in windows, but i find it too troublesome in linux |
| 15:25.13 | phasma | either way, it looks like i will have to study this device some more |
| 15:25.29 | phasma | thanks for the pointers, guys |
| 15:26.28 | Shojo | there's this command in syslinux: "syslinux -ma <pendrive_letter>:" command then i just drag the expanded iso files onto the USB. It's really fast |
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| 15:27.14 | abrotman | moty66: glad to hear it |
| 15:27.41 | Shojo | phasma: if you find something simple and fast for linux, pls tell me. |
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| 15:27.49 | Shojo | I want to make the same thing |
| 15:28.04 | phasma | shojo: sure thing :) |
| 15:28.10 | Shojo | tks!^_^ |
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| 15:28.29 | _abc_ | umm hello |
| 15:28.46 | Shojo | fasta: when installing a second linux OS, does the grub change by default? |
| 15:29.06 | _abc_ | is there a known tunctl bug on some kernel/tunctl versions which does not allow ifconfig to set a tun interface into pointopoint mode? I seem to have hit such a problem. |
| 15:29.59 | Shojo | i have to do it by USB, the CD rom has such a slow reaction time it's impossible to boot from |
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| 15:38.49 | siew | hi ppl :) |
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| 15:45.43 | metaphysician | source package: linux-2.6 (3.2.15-1) <-- what version is this kernel? 2.6.x or 3.2.x? O_o!? |
| 15:46.54 | abrotman | metaphysician: 3.2 |
| 15:46.58 | themill | metaphysician: 3.2. Remember that 3.x isn't really anything other than 2.6.40+x |
| 15:47.17 | metaphysician | I am confused because the changelog of linux-2.6 says "New upstream update http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/ChangeLog-3.2.15" |
| 15:47.29 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 15:47.57 | metaphysician | so why is it still called linux-2.6 ? |
| 15:48.16 | themill | metaphysician: because renaming a source package is a lot of unnecssary work |
| 15:48.33 | abrotman | perhaps they should have just called it linux-kernel ? |
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| 15:49.53 | hans_henrik | issued the command "shutdown -r now" ; is the computer expected to start again automatically? |
| 15:50.15 | themill | abrotman: they were probably being clever when trying to support 2.4 and 2.6 at the same time in sarge |
| 15:51.00 | abrotman | yeah, i know |
| 15:51.09 | abrotman | hans_henrik: that's the general idea |
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| 15:53.52 | gorgelput | hans_henrik: yes, if you want to halt, you should use -h or -P (power off) |
| 15:54.22 | metaphysician | i don't understand. I am on squeeze with package linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 installed. So if I update that package I'll get upgraded to linux 3.2! because the source package of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is linux-2.6. isn't this misleading? |
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| 15:56.00 | metaphysician | s/this/package name/ |
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| 15:57.02 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:57.25 | Timmy | where can i set my nameservers in network manager so everytime network manager connects to a network use them and set them in /etc/resolv.conf automatically? |
| 15:59.25 | DexterF | where can I find docs on what the letter in aptitude mean, like "i A packagename" (what's A here?) |
| 15:59.25 | metaphysician | even more misleading is that the latest available version of package `linux-image-2.6.32-5-686` is 2.6.32-39. Are you telling me this available version is Linux 3.2!???? |
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| 16:00.34 | abrotman | there's a difference between ABI version and source code versoin |
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| 16:06.02 | metaphysician | Is the source package linux-2.6 really upstream 3.2 ?? Because all the binary packages that are built from the source package seems to be 2.6. http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/linux-2.6 |
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| 16:07.14 | abrotman | metaphysician: did it occur to you that hte source package your system references might depend on your versoin of Debian ? |
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| 16:09.29 | metaphysician | Oh GOT IT! |
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| 16:13.46 | metaphysician | so where do we get changelogs of Debian squeeze source package linux-2.6? http://changelogs.debian.net/linux-2.6 <- this doesn't list it |
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| 16:19.51 | ptrkmj | Those 52 iso images for squeeze amd64 contain every possible package from 'debian system'? |
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| 16:21.01 | nkuttler | ptrkmj: sounds about right |
| 16:21.04 | metaphysician | ptrkmj, i guess they don't contain all non-free, contrib packages. |
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| 16:23.03 | babilen | ptrkmj: Likewise (main suite) for DVDs and BDs -- You don't need them if you have access to the internet as you can download everything from our mirrors. |
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| 16:26.04 | peterrooney | remembers when it wasn't even 20 CDs |
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| 16:29.14 | philluminati | Am typing from my android phone right now so please bear with me. Last night I updated my box and now grub wont boot my oses. It gets them all mixed up. |
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| 16:29.57 | philluminati | Whatever I type to try and fix I get "error no such partition" |
| 16:30.13 | philluminati | Rootnoverify isnt a recognised command |
| 16:30.45 | philluminati | Ive tried every combination of "set root" and drivemap -s that I can |
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| 16:30.59 | philluminati | Whats my next step please? |
| 16:31.45 | philluminati | When I said the Oses were mixed up I meant the disk numbering I think |
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| 16:32.56 | philluminati | Anyone? |
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| 16:33.29 | philluminati | The linux command isnt autocompleting so i dont know how to work out what "set root" should actually be |
| 16:33.43 | philluminati | Grub commandline* |
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| 16:34.31 | philluminati | Can anyone read this? |
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| 16:35.36 | philluminati | Hello? |
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| 16:36.29 | zykotick9 | philluminati: is booting some live media and chrooting to your install a possibility? might be simpler then messing with grub prompt, if it is. |
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| 16:37.24 | siew | I want to download last Debian testing from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ and there are more than 66 isos to choose. What are the differences between these? |
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| 16:38.01 | philluminati | Yeah Im doing that now... Infact I think the problem is that when grub gets reinstalled it installs to the wrong disk and on boot up I get an old version broken by a new config |
| 16:38.12 | zykotick9 | siew: downloading stable iso and upgrading might be easier and/or more tested. |
| 16:38.29 | philluminati | Thats my current theory. |
| 16:39.13 | siew | zykotick 9,I want testing for development purposes |
| 16:39.16 | zykotick9 | philluminati: if you use grub2 - reinstall grub to the mbr, then run "update-grub" to refresh the bootable list. |
| 16:39.48 | abrotman | siew: don't use the CDs .. get the netinst |
| 16:39.50 | philluminati | Thanks zykotick9 |
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| 16:40.12 | sunbeam | i have a debian webserver. I would like to update (packages) since i didn't do that since august last year |
| 16:40.15 | zykotick9 | philluminati: you do need to chroot properly for that to work. |
| 16:40.16 | sunbeam | how can I best approach this? |
| 16:40.18 | metaphysician | stable-updates changelogs are not released publicly? |
| 16:40.24 | Hariezg | where i can dowload debian new relase |
| 16:40.27 | sunbeam | just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would be enough? |
| 16:40.34 | siew | abrotman, ok |
| 16:40.49 | abrotman | sunbeam: that's a start .. there are probably more |
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| 16:41.46 | philluminati | I think the debian rescue cd does a chroot for me after I choose a root partiton and execute a shell |
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| 16:42.30 | sunbeam | abrotman: is there anything that can break? |
| 16:43.00 | bitHipy_ | is "aptitude upgrade" safe in terms of verifying signatures? |
| 16:43.02 | abrotman | sunbeam: i suppose |
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| 16:43.39 | sunbeam | abrotman: like |
| 16:43.47 | philluminati | Appears to be grub 1.99-21 |
| 16:43.53 | zykotick9 | philluminati: i wouldn't be sure what rescue does (sorry). but update-grub (and grub install as well i imagine) require dev proc and some other stuff to be mounted properly in the chroot environment. |
| 16:43.57 | sunbeam | abrotman: i need sites running in 1 hour |
| 16:44.04 | zykotick9 | philluminati: 1.9 = 2 ;) |
| 16:44.08 | sunbeam | i mean, thats the max downtime my apache server can have |
| 16:44.26 | abrotman | sunbeam: generally it's fine .. i wouldn't worry too much .. and given that your stuff hasn't had security updates in a year, i'd be more concerned about that |
| 16:44.31 | siew | Does anyone know why there are so many isos to choose? |
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| 16:44.58 | philluminati | :-s |
| 16:45.00 | abrotman | siew: for offline installations .. but you don't need them if oyu have broadband |
| 16:45.05 | abrotman | !tell siew about netinst |
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| 16:45.43 | zykotick9 | siew: you should probably specify that you are refering to the debian-testing weekly build isos |
| 16:45.45 | siew | abrotman, I will do netinst, but I would like to know what of the 66 isos download for offline installation. |
| 16:45.54 | philluminati | Lets see what happens... |
| 16:45.55 | abrotman | siew: do you have broadband ? |
| 16:46.13 | siew | abrotman, not always |
| 16:46.35 | abrotman | siew: on the target machine, will you have broadband at installation time ? |
| 16:46.43 | philluminati | Yay!! |
| 16:46.57 | philluminati | Its booting! |
| 16:47.07 | siew | abrotman, I hace to try, I like to install it in a virtual machine. |
| 16:47.11 | siew | *have |
| 16:47.11 | sunbeam | abrotman: which one should i exec first |
| 16:47.50 | philluminati | Thank you Zykotick9! |
| 16:48.08 | abrotman | sunbeam: which one what? |
| 16:48.17 | sunbeam | apt-get update or apt-get upgrade |
| 16:48.26 | abrotman | the former |
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| 16:52.55 | Hariezg | where i can dowload debian new relase? |
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| 16:54.55 | metaphysician | Only security-updates and backports changelogs aren't released publicly? |
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| 16:55.27 | metaphysician | Hariezg, http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 16:57.11 | tnetennb1 | hi all! |
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| 16:57.28 | metaphysician | Or where are the changelogs of squeeze-backports' source packages hosted? |
| 16:57.46 | abrotman | metaphysician: do you have the package installed? |
| 16:58.16 | tnetennb1 | part |
| 16:58.19 | tnetennb1 | exit |
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| 16:58.48 | Hariezg | bye |
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| 17:00.56 | metaphysician | abrotman, yes |
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| 17:02.33 | tnetennba | hi all! |
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| 17:04.23 | metaphysician | you mean /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz ? no way to look up that of not-installed package? |
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| 17:05.37 | afuentes | metaphysician, you can aptitude changelog package to see the changelog |
| 17:05.54 | afuentes | it works in not installed packages afaik |
| 17:06.00 | metaphysician | afuentes, where does it grab them from? |
| 17:06.41 | afuentes | it downloads the package and extract the changelog |
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| 17:06.53 | afuentes | yup, i tried, it works on not installed packages as well |
| 17:07.42 | afuentes | i guess you can specify a version in the usual way you specify a version when you install a package |
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| 17:14.33 | amoxibos | i have problems with installing subclipse on my eclipse - anyone had similar problems on debian? |
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| 17:16.36 | metaphysician | amoxibos, why do you not specify the problem, but ask whether others have had similar problem?? |
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| 17:18.23 | davidgul | hi |
| 17:18.47 | davidgul | How can i connect to my machine via ftp ? |
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| 17:20.01 | petemc | davidgul: using a ftp client is the normal method |
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| 17:20.33 | sunbeam | I installed phpmyadmin through an apt package. I did apt-upgrade but phpmyadmin is still at an old version. how can i fixthis? |
| 17:21.09 | petemc | sunbeam: does apt-cache policy phpmyadmin show a newer version available? |
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| 17:21.28 | davidgul | petemc : Can i use the terminal, and what clinets do you recomand to me, and i using sftp |
| 17:21.40 | sunbeam | petemc: Installed: 4:3.3.7-7 |
| 17:21.40 | sunbeam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.46 | sunbeam | petemc: but theres a new version |
| 17:22.34 | somiaj | sunbeam: have you done an apt-get update recentally? |
| 17:22.50 | sunbeam | somiaj: yep |
| 17:22.56 | sunbeam | 5 mins ago |
| 17:23.11 | somiaj | how do you konw there is a newer version? |
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| 17:23.40 | amoxibos | well i go to eclipse install new software - i pass it installation site of subclipse - i go through the install process right till the end - it asks do i trust certificates - i say yes - and in the end it just sais there was an error with installing see logs |
| 17:23.52 | amoxibos | in logs there is like thousands of lines of jibberish |
| 17:24.13 | tnetennba | Hi, I have a minimal debian 6 install without gnome. I installed awesome instead. How do can I make the system mount usb flash drives automatically? |
| 17:25.08 | davidgul | + |
| 17:25.24 | somiaj | ,versions phpmyadmin |
| 17:25.26 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on i386 -- lenny: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny9; lenny-security: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny9; squeeze: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security: 4:3.3.7-7; sid: 4:3.4.11-1; wheezy: 4:3.4.11-1 |
| 17:25.38 | amoxibos | Some sites could not be found. See the error log for more detail. Unable to read repository at jar:file:/home/amox/Downloads/site-1.8.8.zip!/content.xml.Not a valid zip file No repository found at http://subclipse.tigris.org/update_1.8.x%20site |
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| 17:26.07 | somiaj | sunbeam: looks like you have the newest version. |
| 17:26.16 | gnarface | davidgul: if you're looking for something actually free and in debian, lftp is alright |
| 17:26.59 | gnarface | davidgul: personally i recommend you just familiarize yourself with scp and just use that instead. |
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| 17:27.35 | sunbeam | somiaj: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/downloads.php |
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| 17:28.05 | sunbeam | somiaj: ok, just someone in #phpmyadmin pointed out to me that there is a newer version (working with ajax functionality) |
| 17:28.21 | sunbeam | any idea how long it usually takes before debian updates it in their package system? |
| 17:28.54 | somiaj | sunbeam: debian squeeze is frozen, so debian squeeze will never have a newer version (debian will backport bug/security fixes for the version in debian though) |
| 17:29.26 | somiaj | sunbeam: wheezy is the next stable, as for if 3.5 will make it into wheezy before the freeze I do not know. That is up to the mataners. |
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| 17:30.02 | sunbeam | somiaj: ok |
| 17:30.25 | sunbeam | somiaj: so when i just did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade the security issues in this phpmyadmin (it was in the will be upgraded list) were fixed? |
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| 17:31.29 | somiaj | sunbeam: yes any known security issues are fixed by security.debian.org (make sure you have then in your sources.list) |
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| 17:32.02 | somiaj | sunbeam: as for new features and the newer version those are not part of squeeze and won't ever be. |
| 17:32.02 | hotwings | if youre booted into a desktop, is there a way to kill it and just get the console Login: prompt? |
| 17:32.20 | somiaj | hotwings: ctrl-alt-backspace use to do that, but I belive that is disabled by default now |
| 17:32.33 | somiaj | hotwings: ctrl-atl-f1 will switch you to a console login |
| 17:32.36 | hotwings | i want to kill the desktop/x/whatever completely and just work from console only |
| 17:32.39 | somiaj | f2,f3,f4,f5,f6 also work |
| 17:32.58 | somiaj | remove your display manager so X doesn't boot by default |
| 17:33.05 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 17:33.06 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 17:33.44 | hotwings | ok thanks |
| 17:34.09 | sunbeam | somiaj: 6 deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:34.12 | sunbeam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.15 | somiaj | you can also stop your dm, /etc/init.d/gdm stop (so if you are at the graphical login prompt, hit ctrl-alt-f1 and do it from there |
| 17:34.28 | somiaj | sunbeam: then you have access to all of the debian security updates |
| 17:34.29 | sunbeam | somiaj: ok |
| 17:34.41 | somiaj | sunbeam: you can subscribe to the DSA mailing list if you want email of security fixes |
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| 17:39.38 | bitHipy_ | what is the "keychain" package for? |
| 17:39.43 | sary | could someone assist me on something , i need to send a text file via DCC .. |
| 17:39.51 | bitHipy_ | it seems to claim to make ssh logins passwordless, but ssh does that anyway by way of keys |
| 17:40.04 | sunbeam | somiaj: i will , thanks |
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| 17:40.53 | sary | unable to use a pastebin service. |
| 17:41.01 | cedr | why not? |
| 17:41.53 | sary | I cant tell excatly , but it has something to do with my connection to upload. |
| 17:41.56 | gnarface | sary: you should consider email |
| 17:42.28 | gnarface | sary: DCC doesn't work with standard firewall configurations. it takes some magic and trickery (or some well-placed ssh tunnels) |
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| 17:42.58 | sary | gnarface: well , i need someone to paste the text fro me into a pastebin service. |
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| 17:43.18 | gnarface | sary: debian has a pastebin service. check it out: paste.debian.net |
| 17:43.27 | sary | gnarface: i see . |
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| 17:43.47 | gnarface | sary: this word is ambiguous: fro |
| 17:43.55 | gnarface | sary: you need to send text, or you need someone to send you text? |
| 17:44.21 | cedr | He wants someone to paste text to a pastebin for him it seems |
| 17:44.50 | sary | gnarface: i will send the file to someone who could paste it for me on paste.debian.net |
| 17:45.02 | cedr | sary: how many lines is it? |
| 17:45.10 | sary | cedr: exactly. |
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| 17:47.30 | sary | cedr: 503 , i might be wrong thou .. but file size is 46.9 KB . |
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| 17:48.06 | sary | how about i paste it in a /query window ! |
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| 17:48.27 | cedr | that's a pretty hefty text file |
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| 17:48.53 | cedr | sure, paste it to me and indicate when it's done |
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| 17:49.01 | sary | its the output of aptitude full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade .. am trying o upgrade to wheezy. |
| 17:49.02 | cedr | i'll just copy the query log to some service for you |
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| 17:49.35 | sary | just wanna make sure am doing it right. |
| 17:49.42 | sary | cedr: thanks. |
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| 17:51.05 | sary | cedr: may i paste it now in query! |
| 17:51.15 | cedr | yep; go ahead |
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| 17:54.48 | hotwings | ok so on a freshly installed debian system, where would the kernel source be with the stock kernel? i guess /usr/src/linux is missing |
| 17:56.31 | acemi | apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 17:56.54 | hotwings | ok thanks |
| 17:57.00 | somiaj | hotwings: the source isn't instaled by default. You can get a linux-source-foo package for the debian kernel |
| 17:57.13 | hotwings | that will create /usr/src/linux then? or will i have to symlink it myself? |
| 17:57.24 | somiaj | but linux-source- will put the files in /usr/src/linux |
| 17:57.37 | hotwings | ok good deal |
| 17:57.39 | hotwings | thanks for the help |
| 17:57.49 | somiaj | apt-get source linux-image downloads the source and patches to make the debian package in your cwd. |
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| 17:58.58 | hotwings | i always compile my own kernel immediately after an install so i didnt know the situation with stock kernels.. helping a friend with his system right now btw, its actually his problem we're addressing |
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| 17:59.48 | gnarface | hotwings: 99% of the time you don't actually need the kernel source |
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| 18:00.29 | gnarface | hotwings: for most people, the linux-headers-* package for your arch and kernel version is sufficient |
| 18:00.47 | hotwings | hes trying to install the nvidia drivers |
| 18:01.02 | gnarface | hotwings: my statement about "most people" includes peopel trying to install the nvidia drivers |
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| 18:01.35 | somiaj | yea you only need linux-headers-`uname -r` to compile modules against the supplied linux kernel from debian |
| 18:01.52 | gnarface | hotwings: the nvidia drivers don't need a fully built kernel source tree.. nothing that links against the "configured kernel source" does. all it needs is the headers. hence linux-headers packages. (apt-cache search ^linux-headers) |
| 18:02.00 | cedr | he wasn't kidding when it said it was huge |
| 18:02.33 | gnarface | cedr: maybe you should have told him about pastebinit first? |
| 18:02.46 | cedr | Perhaps <_< |
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| 18:06.38 | cedr | will paste.debian accept ~50KB? |
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| 18:23.30 | sary | sorry cedr ,:( |
| 18:23.33 | sary | i have tried wih pastebinit before from the CLI , it returned with an error " Send failure: Connection timed out " . |
| 18:23.36 | sary | even ried with " nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 " and " curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us " . |
| 18:23.39 | sary | hmm , good qustion .. |
| 18:23.39 | cedr | it's okay :) |
| 18:23.48 | cedr | I just have to find another server to throw it on |
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| 18:24.46 | jackweb | Hello! There is a working process. I am pressing ^Z and it stops. Is there any way to resume the process in _another_ terminal? |
| 18:25.08 | jackweb | When I type fg, it works, but in the same terminal... |
| 18:26.45 | Diopter | jackweb: Yes. There are several hacky ways, but one relatively robust and portable way. Install the "reptyr" package, and re-pty the pid using it. |
| 18:26.45 | cedr | Here's sary's part 1: http://paste.debian.net/166567/ |
| 18:27.00 | Diopter | jackweb: You can also use a detachment system, like screen, tmux, dtach, etc |
| 18:27.25 | Diopter | jackweb: But detachment requires that you've started the process with it. If you didn't start the process that way, reptyr is your best bet. |
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| 18:29.27 | jackweb | Diopter: thanks |
| 18:29.38 | LordDeath | I just got a mail from cron about my munin-cron |
| 18:29.42 | LordDeath | "[FATAL] There is nothing to do here, since there are no nodes with any plugins. Please refer to http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/FAQ_no_graphs at /usr/share/munin/munin-html line 38" |
| 18:29.59 | LordDeath | but munin itself still seems to be working |
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| 18:32.34 | SpecterSpectator | Death....r u runnin web server? |
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| 18:38.23 | LordDeath | SpecterSpectator: yes |
| 18:38.32 | LordDeath | apache2 is running and I got the error just once |
| 18:38.51 | LordDeath | munin is still working and the graphs are refreshed every 5 minutes |
| 18:39.04 | LordDeath | but at 8 p.m I got this mail |
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| 18:40.24 | SpecterSpectator | did you check apache logs for repeated file access? |
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| 18:42.33 | hans_henrik | i need some way to limit bandwidth for each connection on port 7171, and some way to limit max-connection-per-ip on port 7171.. any idea what i could try? (something like "no more than 5 connections and no more than 20 kb/ps per connection to port 7171") |
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| 18:43.36 | Diopter | hans_henrik: iptables is what you want |
| 18:44.13 | Diopter | hans_henrik: The 'recent' module can do per-ip connection limiting, and there's a couple of transfer rate limiting approaches |
| 18:44.24 | pjc_ | hans_henrik: iptables rate limiting |
| 18:44.42 | hans_henrik | Diopter: thanks for the hint; ill try |
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| 18:53.43 | sary | Alright , thanks to cedr .. i got a pastebin of aptitude full-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/166567/ |
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| 19:21.41 | Xix19 | hi |
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| 19:22.19 | Xix19 | what's a good IRC program for debian? |
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| 19:22.48 | parcs` | i'm trying to mix testing + unstable |
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| 19:26.26 | hans_henrik | using debian 6.0.4, according to "iptables --help", its called "--proto X" and according to "man iptables", its "--protocol X" ... bug? o.0 |
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| 19:27.35 | rudi_s | Xix19: irssi |
| 19:27.42 | rudi_s | (Not only for Debian.) |
| 19:27.44 | hans_henrik | should i trust man iptables or iptables --help ? |
| 19:29.31 | pjc_ | hans_henrik: works fine with me, same debian with iptables v1.4.8 |
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| 19:29.41 | Xix19 | rudi_s: what's the best tool to install with? apt-get or aptitude? |
| 19:29.56 | rudi_s | Xix19: Shouldn't matter, both work fine. |
| 19:30.13 | hans_henrik | pjc_: --proto or --protocol ? |
| 19:30.19 | kingsley | What do you do when iceweasel finds text, but fails to highlight its background? |
| 19:30.21 | hans_henrik | (or both?) |
| 19:30.25 | pjc_ | --proto as per the man page |
| 19:30.25 | Xix19 | rudi_s: I noticed shortcuts never appear in the Applpications menu |
| 19:30.31 | Xix19 | do I always have to add them manually? |
| 19:30.47 | rudi_s | Xix19: I don't know, I don't use any desktop environment like gnome or kde. |
| 19:30.50 | pjc_ | well both seem to work now you mention it |
| 19:31.21 | rudi_s | hans_henrik: Most of the time you use -p anyway ;-) |
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| 19:31.42 | hans_henrik | pjc_: ok thanks, then i guess it doesn't matter |
| 19:32.00 | pjc_ | I have always just passed -p |
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| 19:41.41 | mIRC | ciao |
| 19:41.50 | mIRC | !list |
| 19:41.51 | dpkg | mirc: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 19:53.06 | LordDoskias | ~mysql |
| 19:53.06 | apt | SQL (Structured Query Language) database server. URL: http://www.mysql.com/ |
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| 19:53.46 | hanasaki | which version of firefox is the current iceweasal based on? same question on thunderbird? thanks |
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| 19:56.01 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 19:56.02 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-14; wheezy: 10.0.3esr-3; sid: 10.0.4esr-2; experimental: 12.0-3 |
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| 19:57.57 | benvei | judd, versions icedove |
| 19:57.58 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.3-3; wheezy: 10.0.3-3; experimental: 11.0-1 |
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| 20:00.10 | os_ | Hi |
| 20:00.32 | os_ | my hiberbate is n't save any session |
| 20:00.42 | os_ | my hibernate is n't save any session |
| 20:01.18 | os_ | or any programe running |
| 20:01.21 | os_ | any idea? |
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| 20:11.29 | hanasaki | Iridos: and benvei thanks - is there a onetoone between versions of mozilla and ice? |
| 20:12.52 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 20:12.52 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey), IceOwl(Sunbird). |
| 20:13.46 | hanasaki | hmmm kinda like the calendar bundled in with the email |
| 20:13.58 | parcs` | is there an alternative entry for the linker that should be default? |
| 20:14.28 | hanasaki | abrotman: thanks. not sure that answers the question about versions |
| 20:14.52 | abrotman | then ask a more specific question |
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| 20:15.34 | hanasaki | abrotman: " is there a onetoone between versions of mozilla and ice?" |
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| 20:17.28 | Iridos | hanasaki, it's only been renamed. Versions are the same |
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| 20:18.17 | Iridos | Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20120315 Iceweasel/3.5.16 (like Firefox/3.5.16) |
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| 20:21.55 | sary | so , this is the output of aptitude full-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/166567/ .. should i accept the solution ?! |
| 20:22.30 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 20:23.26 | hanasaki | wheezy is current testing? and squeeze is current prod .. right? |
| 20:23.27 | sary | apt-get dist-upgrade dosn't show any conflicts/unmet dependencies. |
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| 20:24.18 | sary | wheezy is testing , but am not sure what prod means . |
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| 20:25.22 | Gunni | how do i make it so that when i make a new directory or file, it's parent folder permissions are inherited to that directory/file |
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| 20:27.28 | xand | is it normal when chrooting that / shows as mounted from the wrong partition? |
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| 20:29.10 | peterrooney | Gunni: it is not always sane for a file to have same permissions as a folder. |
| 20:29.33 | Gunni | all i want is for new files and directories to keep the w flag for groups |
| 20:29.42 | Gunni | is that really so hard? |
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| 20:31.47 | peterrooney | Gunni: there is umask |
| 20:31.56 | Gunni | doesnt work |
| 20:32.02 | Gunni | 002 is ignored it seems |
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| 20:34.03 | Dulak | umask + sgid on the dir will get you what you want |
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| 20:41.56 | burhan | I am looking for some ncurses based network monitoring tool |
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| 20:42.13 | burhan | I already know about nload, but I am looking at something a bit more comprehensive. |
| 20:42.14 | dawud | burhan: bmon is one, but there are others |
| 20:42.17 | petemc | iptraf |
| 20:42.24 | petemc | jnettop |
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| 20:47.02 | burhan | is there some tool that tracks apt activity? Like a report on any packages installed/removed etc. on a monthly basis? |
| 20:47.28 | petemc | wouldnt be too hard to parse the logs yourself |
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| 20:47.43 | Iridos | you can look in /var/log/dpkg* |
| 20:48.03 | burhan | petemc: I was hoping for somthing already made as I'm not familiar with apt details/statistics |
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| 20:48.38 | petemc | burhan: you dont need to know much about apt details to read a log file, but ok |
| 20:49.28 | Iridos | or one could learn about the logfile by reading it? |
| 20:49.46 | petemc | its just time stamps and text, not much to learn |
| 20:49.52 | burhan | where's the log file - perhaps I should start with that :D |
| 20:50.34 | peterrooney | burhan: /var/log/dpkg* |
| 20:50.51 | Iridos | err? |
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| 20:50.55 | Iridos | <Iridos> you can look in /var/log/dpkg* |
| 20:50.58 | Iridos | I mean... |
| 20:51.20 | Iridos | it's not as if the channel was really really busy and stuff gets lost |
| 20:52.22 | burhan | I'm using x-chat (on Windows) and I haven't figure it out yet how to implement filtering so my screen has lots of stuff like moty66 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
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| 20:52.46 | burhan | thank you anyway, I'll have a look. |
| 20:54.52 | Iridos | so does my xchat *shrug* |
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| 21:06.08 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 21:06.30 | zmitya | I want to have the dummy kernel module loaded after/during boot |
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| 21:06.55 | zmitya | where is the "official" place of that ? |
| 21:07.04 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
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| 21:07.28 | zmitya | abrotman: thx.. can I have parameters az well ? I assume yes |
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| 21:09.20 | zmitya | anyway, let me try it.. |
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| 21:19.19 | hans_henrik | how do i extract "README.gz" ? |
| 21:19.30 | rudi_s | hans_henrik: zcat README.gz | less |
| 21:19.36 | at0m | or zless |
| 21:19.46 | rudi_s | Ah nice, didn't know that. |
| 21:20.00 | petemc | eval $(lesspipe) , then just use less |
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| 21:21.50 | Iridos | ha... I forgot I must have put lesspipe in my bashrc some centuries ago |
| 21:22.31 | Iridos | /etc/bash.bashrc, actually |
| 21:22.56 | Iridos | actually that doesn't look like something I did... |
| 21:23.38 | Iridos | petemc, are you sure lesspipe stuff isn't done by default for users? |
| 21:23.55 | petemc | no |
| 21:24.05 | petemc | not hard to check, tho |
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| 21:24.40 | petemc | its in .bashrc in ./etc/skel |
| 21:24.45 | Iridos | how? |
| 21:24.54 | petemc | i did grep -r lesspipe /etc/ |
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| 21:25.15 | Iridos | hm... it's not in my.bashrc, but this isn't a squeeze install |
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| 21:25.27 | Iridos | I have export LESSOPEN="| /usr/bin/lesspipe %s"; in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 21:26.12 | Iridos | might have added that... no way to remember |
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| 21:30.18 | musashi | hi all |
| 21:30.33 | boudiccas | i have a 18gig file that i want to split into 4gig portions using 'split'. will this work .... split -b size 4gb /home/boztu/irishceltic.iso ......? |
| 21:30.44 | musashi | do you know how I can change resolutions in gdm? |
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| 21:34.16 | Iridos | boudiccas, there's no word "size" in the syntax and the short for gigabyte is not "gb", look at "man split" |
| 21:34.22 | Iridos | it's actually a short manpage |
| 21:35.13 | boudiccas | Iridos: yes, thats what i'm looking at |
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| 21:37.07 | Iridos | musa... |
| 21:37.09 | Iridos | oh well |
| 21:37.43 | Iridos | boudiccas, well... "SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: KB 1000, K 1024, MB 1000*1000, M 1024*1024, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y" |
| 21:38.16 | Iridos | hmm, actually now I read it again maybe you're right |
| 21:38.36 | Iridos | or both work... just G and GB |
| 21:38.43 | Iridos | oh |
| 21:39.00 | Iridos | but KB is short for 1000 and K short for 1024... so they're not the same |
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| 21:58.01 | prefixed | alright yalls |
| 21:58.05 | prefixed | anyone around? |
| 21:59.23 | sturles | Uhm? K means 1000. B means Byte. KB is 1000 bytes. There is also Ki which means 1024. KiB means 1024 bytes. |
| 21:59.44 | prefixed | ok |
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| 22:01.02 | prefixed | I need to run an fsck on the main partition (aka root) of a remote linux server. I have KVM access. what is the besy way to go about this? |
| 22:01.13 | hans_henrik | iptables-apply: E: cannot read /etc/network/iptables is that a problem? |
| 22:01.47 | somiaj | prefixed: you can remount the root partitoin --read-only which should then allow you to fsck it while it is mounted... |
| 22:02.28 | prefixed | somiaj are there any disadvantages to this method? |
| 22:05.48 | nsadmin | if you want to fsck it, it's that or reboot |
| 22:07.45 | prefixed | ok |
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| 22:08.01 | somiaj | prefixed: well any writes will have issues during that time, so you want to time it so it doesn't interfere with that. Stoping any serverices that will wanting to write to the root parttion during that time could be helpful. |
| 22:08.03 | [R] | i know how to see what dependencies a certain package has... but how do i see what packages depend on it? |
| 22:08.23 | prefixed | as it turns out, I can';t do it on reboot, so I'll have to do it on RO mode |
| 22:08.38 | somiaj | [R]: you can search reverse depends with aptitude |
| 22:08.42 | prefixed | btw, anyone have an idea how long it will take to fsck 90gb of data? |
| 22:08.53 | somiaj | [R]: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 22:09.39 | somiaj | prefixed: a while. depending on the data half hour or so, but this is a rough estimate. I couldn't say |
| 22:09.50 | prefixed | ok 30 mins is no problem |
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| 22:10.19 | somiaj | it could take a good amount longer, really depends on the data |
| 22:10.35 | prefixed | somiaj could you explain? |
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| 22:11.42 | [R] | somiaj: thanks |
| 22:12.40 | somiaj | prefixed: a lot of it depends on if fsck has to fix lots of broken inodes, and how the data is aranged on the parttion. I only have experience with watching fsck on my desktops booting up though |
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| 22:13.24 | prefixed | ok |
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| 22:14.06 | aBound | Hey all when they refer to Debian Testing packages does that mean the packages are almost ready to be slipped into the Debian Stable packages? |
| 22:14.26 | somiaj | aBound: testing is the repo that will become the next debian stable release |
| 22:15.13 | nsadmin | aBound, stable never gets packages from testing, instead, testing gets released as the new stable |
| 22:15.19 | somiaj | aBound: so right now it is in flux, so packages flow into it from sid/unstable if they have no grave bugs. Sometime here in the next year or so testing will freeze, and at that point testing is then tested until it is ready to be released as the next xtable. |
| 22:15.52 | Iridos | aBound, stable versions are only released every 2-3 years. Whatever is then in testing has bugs fixed in a period of time in which no new versions get into testing... |
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| 22:16.07 | aBound | Ahh, that makes sense. I gotcha thanks for the information. :) |
| 22:16.40 | Iridos | aBound, apart from that, packages get from unstable into testing after they have been a certain time (some weeks) in unstable and no severe bugs have been reported on the package or one of its dependencies |
| 22:17.09 | peterrooney | aBound: after testing gets thoroughly tested, it gets declared stable. |
| 22:17.18 | Iridos | oh well, guess somiaj said it quicker and more nicely |
| 22:17.39 | Iridos | although the outsider might not understand the term "freeze" :P |
| 22:17.39 | aBound | Understood, was curious about it. :P |
| 22:18.29 | aBound | I'm hopping outta here have a good one ya'll, thanks again. |
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| 22:22.51 | p-chan | Hello debian users. What debian version is better for generic user? Stable, Testing or Unstable? |
| 22:22.55 | p-chan | I am not a programmer |
| 22:23.14 | p-chan | I am a artist |
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| 22:24.12 | prefixed | an artist? |
| 22:24.20 | nsadmin | so is it fair to say you want to use debian for drawing etc? |
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| 22:25.09 | prefixed | p-chan you might want to look into ubuntu or mint |
| 22:25.17 | p-chan | prefixed: and... I want easy distro |
| 22:25.24 | p-chan | I use processing and puredata |
| 22:25.33 | p-chan | prefixed: thanks man |
| 22:25.36 | prefixed | sure so ubuntu or mint |
| 22:25.48 | p-chan | prefixed: the new ubuntu is very unstable :( |
| 22:25.53 | p-chan | prefixed: I will try mint |
| 22:26.01 | prefixed | p-chan then use one of the older ones |
| 22:26.04 | p-chan | prefixed: Thanks debian man |
| 22:26.11 | nsadmin | so stability is important to you? |
| 22:26.20 | p-chan | nsadmin: yes |
| 22:26.34 | p-chan | nsadmin: and light weight |
| 22:26.36 | nsadmin | then one thing to consider is running debian stable |
| 22:27.06 | prefixed | nsadmin what is debian stable's GUI like? |
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| 22:27.09 | p-chan | prefixed: the older ubuntu is not supported now |
| 22:27.10 | Iridos | p-chan, you want stable if you don't want to have to fix up new broken things all the time... stable stays the same all the time... on the flipside of this, packages tend to be a bit on the old side... there are backports for some of the more interesting things, though |
| 22:27.34 | Iridos | dpkg, tell p-chan about backports |
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| 22:29.17 | Iridos | hm, I just wonder... ist there a way to kill an open connection (without killing the process that has it open) |
| 22:29.42 | p-chan | Iridos: Can you say for me what is XFCE version of Debian? 4.8? 4.10? |
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| 22:29.54 | Iridos | judd, versions xfce |
| 22:29.55 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 22:30.10 | p-chan | nsadmin: Will the community create fork of gnome 3? |
| 22:30.22 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 22:30.43 | p-chan | I used for many years gnome 2 and XFCE and The new KDE is very unstable |
| 22:30.48 | p-chan | nsadmin: Ok guys thanks a lot |
| 22:30.55 | Iridos | judd, versions xfdesktop4 |
| 22:30.55 | mparodi | <Iridos> hm, I just wonder... ist there a way to kill an open connection (without killing the process that has it open) <-- OpenOffice :P |
| 22:30.57 | judd | Package: xfdesktop4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-7; lenny-backports: 4.6.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2-1+b1; sid: 4.8.3-2; wheezy: 4.8.3-2; experimental: 4.9.3-1 |
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| 22:32.08 | Iridos | mparodi, huh? |
| 22:32.36 | mparodi | wasn't that the case of OpenOffice? |
| 22:33.16 | prefixed | when will wheezy go stable? |
| 22:33.20 | Iridos | judd, versions xfce4 |
| 22:33.23 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10~pre2 |
| 22:33.47 | Iridos | p-chan, 4.6.2 in stable |
| 22:33.58 | p-chan | Iridos: thanks |
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| 22:34.08 | Iridos | prefixed, when it's ready? |
| 22:34.18 | p-chan | Debian uses gnome 2.30 yet. It is good |
| 22:34.26 | P5King | Hello could i get some help on how to update java to 1.7 on debian? |
| 22:34.26 | prefixed | Iridos anythign less vague than that? |
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| 22:35.14 | Iridos | dpkg, tell prefixed about freeze |
| 22:35.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell prefixed about release goals |
| 22:35.42 | prefixed | ok |
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| 22:37.26 | Iridos | prefixed, seems they're getting kinda serious about the multi-arch stuff... but the way that's planned it's ... kinda complex |
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| 22:38.10 | prefixed | oh |
| 22:38.11 | p-chan | judd, versions gnome |
| 22:38.13 | prefixed | hm |
| 22:38.14 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+8; wheezy: 1:3.0+8 |
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| 22:38.27 | bittin | judd, versions linux-image |
| 22:38.28 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 22:38.37 | bittin | judd, versions linux-images |
| 22:38.39 | judd | No package named 'linux-images' was found in i386. |
| 22:38.51 | bardzusny | judd, versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 22:38.53 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 22:39.03 | bardzusny | judd, versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:39.04 | bittin | judd, versions kernel |
| 22:39.04 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44 |
| 22:39.05 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 22:39.08 | p-chan | judd, versions kde |
| 22:39.09 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 22:39.22 | Iridos | you can just /msg judd <keyword> |
| 22:39.42 | Iridos | and for kernels, there's |
| 22:39.44 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 22:39.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 22:39.56 | bittin | judd, kernels powerpc |
| 22:39.58 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 22:40.10 | Iridos | bittin, did you get the bit about messaging? |
| 22:40.22 | bittin | Iridos, yea will do that next time |
| 22:40.23 | p-chan | judd, versions libreoffice |
| 22:40.24 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; sid: 1:3.5.2-6; experimental: 1:3.5.3~rc2-1 |
| 22:40.33 | craigevil | P5King, If you want Oracle's Java take a look at https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/howto-install-oracle-java-on-debian-34567/ |
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| 22:40.51 | P5King | Thanks craigevil. |
| 22:40.54 | Iridos | p-chan, did you get the bit about messaging? |
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| 22:40.55 | Iridos | :D |
| 22:40.59 | Iridos | recycling |
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| 22:41.11 | craigevil | P5King, or you can use OpenJDK7 |
| 22:41.13 | Minecrafter | I'm having issues getting a Squeeze LTSP client to boot successfully. It spams "nfsmount: need a path" and later on drops to busybox. Any clues? |
| 22:41.23 | P5King | Yeah i think im going with JDK |
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| 22:41.47 | p-chan | Iridos: ok sorry |
| 22:41.59 | hans_henrik | installed apache2-mod-evasive , any1 know the default for "DOSLogDir " ? |
| 22:42.13 | Iridos | no worries. Was just getting a bit out of hand with unsuccessful queries etc. |
| 22:42.37 | hans_henrik | or where apache might log stuff? |
| 22:42.40 | Minecrafter | the /proc/cmdline file does not mention the nfs share needed, 192.168.56.2:/opt/ltsp/i386 |
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| 22:42.56 | craigevil | P5King, I removed openjdk-7-jre when the dev decided it need half of gnome as depends, using Oracle's Java 1.6.32 atm |
| 22:43.06 | p-chan | Iridos: How Debian survive without company? |
| 22:44.14 | Iridos | dunno... people just seem to do stuff... maintain a couple of packages they maintain for? |
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| 22:44.23 | Iridos | err, care for* |
| 22:44.45 | Minecrafter | ah |
| 22:45.56 | P5King | Hmmm it says its unable to locate java-package |
| 22:46.42 | themill | P5King: squeeze? |
| 22:46.46 | craigevil | ,versions java-package |
| 22:46.47 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; sid/contrib: 0.50; wheezy/contrib: 0.50 |
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| 22:49.30 | P5King | What themill? |
| 22:49.48 | themill | P5King: what release of debian are you running? |
| 22:50.02 | nsadmin | if you're using squeeze, you would have to backport from either sid or wheezy (latter recommended), or "fore"port from lenny (I see no advantage in doing so) |
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| 22:50.55 | P5King | 6.0.4 |
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| 22:51.43 | nsadmin | yea that's squeeze |
| 22:52.11 | P5King | Great.. lol So how do i backport? |
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| 22:54.02 | nsadmin | usually you would put a deb-src line for the dist you want to backport from, then make a dir to contain your backport work, cd in there and apt-get source <packagename> |
| 22:54.08 | nsadmin | then you have the source |
| 22:54.33 | somiaj | !tell P5King about ssbp |
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| 22:54.55 | nsadmin | cd into the source dir, then try apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 22:55.25 | somiaj | note not all packages can be backported. What package to do you want to backport P5King ? |
| 22:55.36 | nsadmin | then hopefully you have everything needed to build the package |
| 22:55.43 | P5King | java somiaj \o/ |
| 22:55.50 | somiaj | if all you want is sun java, you should get it form orcal. |
| 22:55.54 | somiaj | ,versions java6-sun |
| 22:55.55 | judd | No package named 'java6-sun' was found in i386. |
| 22:56.09 | somiaj | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 22:56.10 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1 |
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| 22:56.38 | nsadmin | then you do fakeroot debian/rules clean ; fakeroot debian/rules build ; fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 22:56.39 | somiaj | though that is the last version debian is allowed to distribute, java7 has been removed from wheezy and you have to get it from orcale |
| 22:57.02 | themill | there's no need to rebuild java-package from wheezy/sid to install it into squeeze |
| 22:57.11 | P5King | Yeah i need to get Java 1.7 |
| 22:57.34 | mmnicola1 | somiaj: now I can read it, Oracle, I was about to google what was "orcal" |
| 22:57.50 | somiaj | yea sorry I'm terrible at the only langauge I know how to type |
| 22:57.51 | somiaj | (: |
| 22:58.09 | nsadmin | that;s not orackle? |
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| 22:58.27 | mmnicola1 | is it a sadface with mistyped eyes ? |
| 22:58.47 | BudTuba | hello, my father's pc has no sound. I think there's a device conflict between the audigy2 card and the onboard HDA intel, because I can hear audio when I test it with phonon. |
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| 22:59.26 | somiaj | mmnicola1: nope I'm a backwards smiler, (: |
| 23:00.02 | BudTuba | But there's no sound from applications, such as firefox or vlc. I suspect audio is going out to the sound card, which hasn't been working at all. |
| 23:00.30 | somiaj | BudTuba: do you use a custom .asoundrc to select the default sound card. Some sound cards dont have hardware mixing and you need software mixing |
| 23:00.35 | nsadmin | BudTuba, what OS is it running? |
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| 23:00.52 | BudTuba | This system runs Mepis, which is derived from Debian. |
| 23:01.12 | somiaj | BudTuba: then go talk to Mepis support, we do not support derived from debian here |
| 23:01.15 | somiaj | !mepis |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 23:01.49 | BudTuba | When I try /joining #mepis it says I need a password. |
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| 23:02.37 | Iridos | factinfo mepis |
| 23:02.39 | somiaj | some channels require you register your nick before talking |
| 23:02.41 | Iridos | dpkg, factinfo mepis |
| 23:02.41 | dpkg | mepis -- last modified at Sat May 14 06:15:22 2011 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 116 times, last by somiaj, 1m 25s ago. |
| 23:02.52 | BudTuba | I've been looking for a better channel to ask for help, but I'm not sure where to go. |
| 23:02.53 | somiaj | BudTuba: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:03.22 | Iridos | I'm registered and also cannot join |
| 23:03.27 | Iridos | perhaps they moved |
| 23:03.38 | Iridos | but the factoid isn't SO old... |
| 23:03.39 | themill | BudTuba: #mepis is +k requiring a password... no, I can't tell you why. |
| 23:03.41 | Iridos | a year |
| 23:04.02 | somiaj | could they have changed to ##mepis cause they weren't offical? |
| 23:04.12 | boadicea | irirdos; the correct syntax for split is ........... split -b 4000m /home/foobar/foo .......... and this splits it into 3.9gbs files which are a lot more manaegeable |
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| 23:04.31 | themill | somiaj: there's only one user there too |
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| 23:04.51 | Iridos | chanserv |
| 23:05.23 | BudTuba | Maybe the only place to get Mepis support is on their forums. |
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| 23:17.16 | P5King | Man i'm so confused on how to get this to java 1.7 :/ |
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| 23:21.24 | tehrabbitt | hey, does anyone know of a good web-interface for bind9? |
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| 23:23.52 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: bash. Oh, and zsh. |
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| 23:25.30 | nsadmin | tehrabbitt and for altering the configuration, head, tail, echo, grep, sort, and in a pinch, awk or perl |
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| 23:27.00 | mmnicola1 | with all that you could build yourself a web interface when your bored |
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| 23:27.25 | nsadmin | when your board becomes a plank |
| 23:27.29 | p-chan | Good Night guys I installed ubuntu and I goint to try debian. I have few questions... Is possible install all proprietary codecs, java and applications in Debian. Is debian very problems with web page because uses old iceweasel 3.5? |
| 23:27.44 | mmnicola1 | *you're |
| 23:27.49 | p-chan | Ubuntu are very unstable in my old atom pc |
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| 23:28.13 | p-chan | My old pc only have 1 GB and atom processor |
| 23:28.42 | p-chan | and Chrome + Firefox +Libreoffice unstable the ubuntu |
| 23:28.44 | mmnicola1 | p-chan: use the repo from mozilla.debian.net to get the iceweasel-esr release, which is 10.0.4 at the moment |
| 23:28.47 | bardzusny | p-chan: it's all here afaik, in non-free repo |
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| 23:30.00 | p-chan | bardzusny: Debian supports yet reiserfs and XFS partitions? |
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| 23:30.58 | p-chan | Can debian configure automatic connection like ubuntu |
| 23:31.00 | p-chan | I need it |
| 23:31.41 | p-chan | Oh God! Ubuntu 12.04 is very very unstable. LTS version unstable :( |
| 23:31.47 | bardzusny | p-chan: generally Debian can do anything that Ubuntu can |
| 23:32.02 | craigevil | Iceweasel 12 is in the repos, Chromium is in the repo, if you want Chrome download it from Google |
| 23:32.06 | knyt | yes. it surports xfs. reiserfs... i dont remenber |
| 23:32.21 | p-chan | bardzusny: What is the default package manager in debian? |
| 23:32.47 | p-chan | Synaptic? Muon? Pirut? |
| 23:32.49 | knyt | apt? |
| 23:33.03 | knyt | yes . synaptic |
| 23:33.06 | p-chan | knyt: onlyy text mode? |
| 23:33.07 | p-chan | ok |
| 23:33.10 | bardzusny | I'm honestly on sure what you get on default CD install |
| 23:33.14 | p-chan | thanks a lot :( |
| 23:33.16 | bardzusny | not* |
| 23:33.20 | bardzusny | oh, Synaptic |
| 23:33.26 | knyt | no. with gnome-shell |
| 23:33.38 | craigevil | aptitude, you can install synaptic or software-center |
| 23:33.57 | p-chan | craigevil: Debian haves software center? Coll |
| 23:33.58 | p-chan | cool |
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| 23:37.12 | p-chan | Last question. Final question. Debian supports Nokia 6111 Modem? |
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| 23:37.19 | rainfyre1 | hey all. I downloaded and installed google chrome as a .deb from the website, now I want to completely remove it from my system. How do I find out the package name to remove, and do I use dpkg or apt-get purge? |
| 23:37.50 | p-chan | rainfyre1: apt-get remove google-chrome or |
| 23:37.58 | p-chan | aptitude remove google-chrome |
| 23:37.59 | nsadmin | rainfyre1, show the complete filename of the .deb you installed |
| 23:38.25 | bardzusny | rainfyre1: "dpkg -l | grep chrome" should do it |
| 23:38.40 | bardzusny | (then apt-get purge) |
| 23:39.40 | rainfyre1 | nsadmin: google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb |
| 23:39.47 | rainfyre1 | bardzusny: thank you |
| 23:39.59 | moty66 | how can I find the minimum hardware requirements for Debian 6.0.4 |
| 23:40.03 | rainfyre1 | p-chan: ah ok thanks, I just didn't know the package name |
| 23:40.05 | nsadmin | rainfyre1, notice how the filename has _ in it |
| 23:40.15 | rainfyre1 | nsadmin: yes |
| 23:40.32 | nsadmin | if you take everything from the left to the first _ |
| 23:40.40 | rainfyre1 | yes |
| 23:40.44 | rainfyre1 | :) that's it? |
| 23:40.52 | nsadmin | that's the package name (not including the _) |
| 23:41.03 | rainfyre1 | nsadmin: that is so cool, thank you very much :) |
| 23:41.08 | p-chan | rainfyre1: Use the graphic installer and unstaller |
| 23:41.20 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 23:41.29 | rainfyre1 | p-chan: I prefer apt-get or aptitude |
| 23:41.29 | p-chan | rainfyre1: It is easy |
| 23:41.59 | rainfyre1 | p-chan: but you're right, that's easy :) |
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| 23:42.19 | tehrabbitt | nsadmin: I mean a web-gui.. I need to set it up for someone who doesn't know linux too well |
| 23:42.23 | bardzusny | moty66: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02.html.en |
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| 23:42.36 | rainfyre1 | p-chan: and there it is, in cynaptic. :) that never even occurred to me |
| 23:42.41 | rainfyre1 | *synaptic |
| 23:42.51 | nsadmin | tehrabbitt, ahh... so, as far as I know, there's not a web interface for it |
| 23:43.03 | xispirito | p-chan, i have used a nokia 6120 modem, maybe is close or same model |
| 23:43.19 | p-chan | rainfyre1: hey what is better? apt-get or aptitude? |
| 23:43.21 | bardzusny | moty66: you can run it on pretty much any hardware from this century |
| 23:43.23 | p-chan | xispirito: thanks |
| 23:43.32 | bardzusny | question is, what software do you need |
| 23:43.40 | rainfyre1 | p-chan: I use apt-get, but I think that nsadmin prefers aptitude. |
| 23:43.48 | moty66 | bardzusny: I have a ppc |
| 23:44.15 | bardzusny | hmm, IME aptitude is much better at sorting out dependency problems |
| 23:44.26 | bardzusny | and it matters on unstable |
| 23:44.41 | rainfyre1 | bardzusny: I believe that's what nsadmin told me a couple days ago too |
| 23:44.43 | moty66 | bardzusny: thanks, found the doc |
| 23:44.59 | rainfyre1 | bardzusny: but isn't apt-get supposed to be the 'preferred' method now? |
| 23:45.06 | bardzusny | moty66: out of curiosity, what computer exactly that is? |
| 23:45.31 | bardzusny | rainfyre1: I don't know...as long as aptitude is bundled with minimal debian install, I don't think it's unpreferred |
| 23:45.32 | moty66 | bardzusny: a G4 mac, 400 Ghz |
| 23:45.42 | nsadmin | I do prefer aptitude... that, plus the extra data kept stating whether a package was installed by name at the request of the user, or was installed due to dependency (or suggest or recommend) |
| 23:45.44 | p-chan | what is better? apr-get dist-upgrade or clean installation? |
| 23:45.49 | rainfyre1 | bardzusny: I agree. |
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| 23:46.36 | bardzusny | only qualm I have about aptitude is that by default it install 'recommended' packages |
| 23:46.38 | rainfyre1 | bardzusny: nsadmin mI use aptitude when I have to figure out dependency issues, it's more helpful than apt-get at solving problems as far as I can tell |
| 23:46.38 | peterrooney | moty66: there is also /join #debianppc for G4s |
| 23:46.40 | bardzusny | installs* |
| 23:46.59 | nsadmin | p-chan, if your package database is happy, upgrade |
| 23:47.00 | xispirito | 400Ghz, wow, that is a real power 0.0 |
| 23:47.24 | edju | Everything in /usr/bin is root:root. Is that the way it's supposed to be? |
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| 23:47.33 | bardzusny | edju: yes |
| 23:47.33 | moty66 | uptime: 01:46:15 up 797 days, 11:21, 2 users, load average: 0.72, 0.41, 0.35 |
| 23:47.33 | tehrabbitt | nsadmin: i've seen a few online, but didnt' know if there's a "best" one out there or such |
| 23:47.37 | p-chan | nsadmin: thanks |
| 23:47.43 | p-chan | Bye bye now |
| 23:47.55 | nsadmin | pchan, read the release notes |
| 23:48.07 | tehrabbitt | nsadmin: http://www.debianadmin.com/bind-dns-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html |
| 23:48.29 | rainfyre1 | moty66: that's what I'm using right now too |
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| 23:49.23 | moty66 | rainfyre1: which kernel? |
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| 23:49.47 | rainfyre1 | moty66: let me check. actually it's just a G4 powerbook, don't know how fast it's running (not very) |
| 23:49.48 | prefixed | ok. I need to fsck my filesystem (which is currently in RO mode). what command should I usse? |
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| 23:50.11 | rainfyre1 | moty66: Linux snow 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 Thu Mar 22 17:20:53 UTC 2012 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 23:50.19 | rainfyre1 | moty66: love it :) |
| 23:50.33 | nsadmin | prefixed, fsck |
| 23:50.34 | moty66 | rainfyre1: I have to update the Linux dev 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
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| 23:50.43 | prefixed | nsadmin: fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/xvda1 |
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| 23:50.51 | rainfyre | moty66: yep |
| 23:51.14 | moty66 | rainfyre: are you on 6.0.4? |
| 23:51.24 | rainfyre | moty66: yes |
| 23:51.43 | moty66 | rainfyre: cool, i must restart next days |
| 23:51.44 | bardzusny | prefixed: are you trying to run fsck on debian? |
| 23:51.45 | prefixed | nsadmin that error message does nto make sense to me, as /dev/xvda is the root parition that I need to fsck |
| 23:51.50 | prefixed | bardzusny yes |
| 23:52.07 | rainfyre | moty66: the netinstall works great, I used a 6.0.1 install cd for this one and just updated once it was installed |
| 23:52.18 | bardzusny | prefixed: workaround is to fsck from some livecd |
| 23:52.29 | nsadmin | prefixed, does /dev/xvda exist? (try ls /dev/xvda) |
| 23:52.48 | prefixed | bardzusny I can't use a live CD as this server is in a remote location (aka a datacenter) |
| 23:53.09 | prefixed | nsadmin no |
| 23:53.17 | moty66 | rainfyre: out of curiosity, what do you do with this computer? |
| 23:53.36 | nsadmin | ok, that would explain the message |
| 23:53.48 | moty66 | rainfyre: I use it to for svn repositories and some mysql backups |
| 23:53.52 | bardzusny | prefixed: so you have root partition mounted, yet you have no fsck.ext3 in /sbin/? |
| 23:54.07 | nsadmin | prefixed, mount | nopaste |
| 23:54.08 | prefixed | bardzusny the root partition is mounted in RO mode |
| 23:54.11 | moty66 | rainfyre: I wanted to run redmine on it, but it is very slow for ruby |
| 23:54.36 | rainfyre | moty66: I don't know what that is, and yeah, this one is slow too, but it's such a nice laptop :) |
| 23:55.03 | prefixed | nsadmin I do not think mount is going to be up to date |
| 23:55.15 | nsadmin | try it and see |
| 23:55.24 | prefixed | http://pastebin.com/bGn8VT6S |
| 23:55.32 | prefixed | yeah, it isn't |
| 23:55.45 | prefixed | /dev/xvda1 is RO at the moment |
| 23:55.45 | nsadmin | no pastebin.com please :) |
| 23:55.51 | prefixed | ok |
| 23:56.00 | prefixed | what other pastbins can I use |
| 23:56.01 | Diopter | nsadmin: What's wrong with pastebin.com? |
| 23:56.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Diopter about pastebin.com |
| 23:56.54 | bardzusny | prefixed: even mounted as RO you should have fsck in /sbin/ directory |
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| 23:57.07 | prefixed | bardzusny I do |
| 23:57.20 | Diopter | themill: Half of that's not true anymore. But ok. |
| 23:57.24 | themill | nsadmin: btw if you enable clientside rewriting to add "raw.php?i=" to the pastebin.com url, it's 90% less annoying ;) |
| 23:57.51 | themill | Diopter: well, it still has flash, it still requires captchas and is still as slow as anything, so I don't know which bits aren't true |
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| 23:58.18 | prefixed | nsadmin http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?a46139c695ed68b2#2tLpdc1zdtw/UvYNhu8vvqfFOqS3z4ZEJbR7mxLVzT0= |
| 23:58.29 | bardzusny | "Running fsck in read/write mode on a read-only mounted filsystem would cause the kernel to see filesystem structures changing unexpectedly underneath it, and that would also be bad." - some food for thought |
| 23:58.43 | Diopter | themill: Just loaded instantly for me when I clicked that paste. No captcha required either. Haven't seen that in a long while, in fact. |
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| 23:59.06 | prefixed | bardzusny I do not believe that is true |
| 23:59.37 | abrotman | running fsck on a mounted rw filesystem is extremely dangerious |
| 23:59.46 | bardzusny | it's ro |
