| 00:00.13 | bardzusny | I can't say I'm sure |
| 00:00.20 | themill | Diopter: the captcha doesn't come up all the time. I can't tell you what criteria cause it to come up or not, but when you spend a few hours helping people here, you really don't want to be typing in captchas to see their pastes all the time. |
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| 00:00.51 | prefixed | so nsadmin ? |
| 00:01.05 | bardzusny | prefixed: if you're sure you want to run it, and for some reason /sbin/fsck doesn't want to run |
| 00:01.06 | Diopter | themill: Fair enough. Certainly not advocating the site as being some benchmark of win, because it's clearly not ;P |
| 00:01.14 | nsadmin | thanks... yeah, mount is saying the thing that doesn't exist |
| 00:01.24 | bardzusny | you can download some statically compiled e2fsck binaries to /tmp/ (or wherever where you can write) |
| 00:01.37 | prefixed | nsadmin /dev/xvda1 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 00:01.46 | prefixed | tha tis my root partition |
| 00:02.03 | bardzusny | so it's rw |
| 00:02.05 | bardzusny | or ro? |
| 00:02.31 | nsadmin | so it's mounted rw according to the line prefixed just posted |
| 00:02.50 | prefixed | nsadmin as I said, mount isn't up to date because the FS was remounted RO |
| 00:03.17 | Diopter | Why don't you just shutdown -F to force fsck on reboot? And you probably want to change FSCKFIX to = "yes" in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 00:04.43 | prefixed | Diopter this is why http://codepad.org/aKLUpkTs |
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| 00:06.27 | Diopter | prefixed: Neat. So, did you go into the maintenance-mode shell? Because that would be a good time to run fsck then :P |
| 00:06.36 | prefixed | Diopter I did |
| 00:07.08 | nsadmin | tehrabbitt, ineresting! I'll look at it |
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| 00:07.46 | nsadmin | tehrabbitt, and NOTE, you're advised to read o'ra's dns and bind as well as the bind operations manual |
| 00:07.47 | prefixed | Diopter but then I got this: fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/xvda1 |
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| 00:08.36 | Diopter | prefixed: What about "fsck /"? |
| 00:08.49 | prefixed | that's actually what I tried to run. |
| 00:09.46 | Diopter | Neat. What's: grep " / " /proc/mounts, show? |
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| 00:09.53 | bardzusny | prefixed: http://packages.debian.org/sid/e2fsck-static |
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| 00:10.09 | prefixed | Diopter bardzusny http://codepad.org/IXLtLJEw |
| 00:10.15 | bardzusny | get this, unpack, run fsck binary |
| 00:10.41 | prefixed | bardzusny I have that |
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| 00:11.06 | bardzusny | sorry, I thought fsck.ext3 doesn't run for some reason |
| 00:11.36 | prefixed | main:~# grep " / " /proc/mounts |
| 00:11.36 | prefixed | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 00:11.36 | prefixed | /dev/sda3 / ext3 ro,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 00:11.57 | Diopter | Doesn't look like xvda1 to me :) |
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| 00:12.23 | bardzusny | xvda1 sounds unusual indeed |
| 00:12.48 | Diopter | It's common if you're using a VM in Xen or some KVM setups |
| 00:12.49 | prefixed | it's because it used to be a xenserver host but is not on a physical machine |
| 00:12.55 | prefixed | *now |
| 00:13.08 | hans_henrik | i want to give user www-data read-access to /var/log/apache2/* ... how can i do that? |
| 00:13.09 | Diopter | prefixed: So fsck /dev/sda3 ? |
| 00:13.12 | bardzusny | yes, Xen |
| 00:13.14 | prefixed | main:~# mount -o remount,ro /dev/sda3 |
| 00:13.14 | bardzusny | just googled it |
| 00:13.15 | prefixed | mount: can't find /dev/sda3 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 00:13.28 | hans_henrik | read-write access* |
| 00:13.36 | Diopter | prefixed: mount -o remount,ro /; fsck /dev/sda3 |
| 00:13.36 | bardzusny | hans_henrik: many ways |
| 00:14.07 | prefixed | ok |
| 00:14.08 | bardzusny | hans_henrik: chown -R www-data:www-data /var/log/apache2/ |
| 00:14.09 | prefixed | here we go! |
| 00:14.20 | prefixed | SCARY! |
| 00:14.27 | bardzusny | prefixed: :) |
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| 00:14.33 | prefixed | ok |
| 00:14.33 | Diopter | woot |
| 00:14.35 | Diopter | etc |
| 00:14.47 | prefixed | so why does it look like /dev/xvda1? |
| 00:14.51 | prefixed | or why did it?> |
| 00:15.14 | Diopter | prefixed: I'd guess some issue with /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab, leftover cruft from the Xen migration, etc |
| 00:15.36 | Diopter | prefixed: Having a damaged filesystem could be interfering with /etc/mtab updating, for instance |
| 00:15.43 | prefixed | hm |
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| 00:15.53 | p-chan | prefixed: ultamatix is still alive yet? |
| 00:15.56 | hans_henrik | since www-data user by default dont have read (or write) access to /var/log/apache2/ ... how come apache2 still manage to log stuff to /var/log/apache2/access.log ? o.0 (unless im mistaking something) |
| 00:16.04 | prefixed | p-chan ? |
| 00:16.16 | p-chan | prefixed: ok forget it |
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| 00:16.33 | prefixed | the interesting thing is that the webserver runs fine in singleuser mode |
| 00:16.43 | prefixed | no errors or anything |
| 00:17.35 | jordanm | hans_henrik: the apache parent process is ran by root |
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| 00:18.41 | nsadmin | hans_henrik, there's also a www-data group |
| 00:20.02 | Diopter | prefixed: How's the fsck magic going? |
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| 00:20.08 | prefixed | it's going |
| 00:20.22 | prefixed | nothing has exploded yet |
| 00:20.34 | Diopter | I'm so excited. I just can't hide it. |
| 00:20.43 | prefixed | I know, right? |
| 00:20.55 | prefixed | kinda wish I didn't upgrade this machine to wheezy by accident |
| 00:21.12 | nsadmin | Wos cisco, it's disco! |
| 00:21.15 | bardzusny | doing risky stuff on remote machines is hot |
| 00:21.27 | Diopter | bardzusny: Like a boss. |
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| 00:21.56 | prefixed | hm |
| 00:22.08 | prefixed | is it inadvisable to set the -y option when running an fsck |
| 00:22.57 | Diopter | Unless you know when to say no, to very complicated and specific questions, you probably will do best letting fsck choose what to do |
| 00:23.05 | bardzusny | prefixed: I once had badblocked superblock...after fsck -y I found files in lost+found |
| 00:23.32 | prefixed | is that good or bad? |
| 00:23.33 | bardzusny | many with changed filenames, luckily it was only music |
| 00:23.56 | prefixed | also, can I ctrl+c fsck without issue and retun with -y? |
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| 00:24.35 | jordanm | it will start again at the beginning |
| 00:24.56 | bardzusny | just sayin' - if it was root partition I don't think it would survive |
| 00:25.03 | prefixed | ok |
| 00:25.04 | jordanm | a few files in lost+found is not bad, I have seen xfs_repair eat 5TB of data |
| 00:25.15 | Diopter | xfs has some beastly failure modes |
| 00:25.16 | prefixed | well here we go agaiN! |
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| 00:27.57 | prefixed | yall want my root password? |
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| 00:30.26 | Diopter | prefixed: Sounds like a dangerous proposition :P |
| 00:30.34 | prefixed | true |
| 00:30.50 | nsadmin | the people who answer yes are the last people you should give it to :) |
| 00:30.55 | prefixed | actually |
| 00:31.05 | prefixed | I wonder if anyone has ever done an experiment with that |
| 00:31.24 | prefixed | give a handful of randomly selected people root access to a server, and let them run wild |
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| 00:32.40 | prefixed | hm. lotta postfix emails being cleared out |
| 00:33.12 | bardzusny | smartest one changes password and takes server over :) |
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| 00:34.58 | prefixed | /dev/sda3: 206126/29839616 files (10.5% non-contiguous), 32294642/60020848 blocks |
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| 00:36.41 | boudiccas | if i want to burn a dvd from the cli, how do i do it please? i've previouslt only used k3b, but now want to try it from the command line.if it helps i'm using gnome, and thefile i want to burn is xab.iso |
| 00:36.57 | prefixed | nice |
| 00:37.04 | prefixed | looks like it's fixed |
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| 00:39.01 | prefixed | ... or not |
| 00:39.22 | mmnicola1 | boudiccas: man wodim |
| 00:39.26 | bardzusny | boudicass: wodim |
| 00:39.32 | bardzusny | :) |
| 00:39.33 | prefixed | hm how do I open a shell from KVM? |
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| 00:40.55 | nsadmin | boudiccas wodim? |
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| 00:42.16 | prefixed | anyone? |
| 00:43.13 | boudiccas | nsadmin: mmnicola1bardzusmy; thanks, i should've guessed really as thats what k3b uses |
| 00:43.21 | prefixed | hm |
| 00:43.24 | prefixed | eth2 is not going up |
| 00:44.05 | prefixed | ok, so sshd went up but not eth2 |
| 00:44.09 | prefixed | (which is the internet |
| 00:44.11 | prefixed | ) |
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| 00:44.30 | prefixed | do I need to restart and enter single usermode to troubleshoot? |
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| 00:47.55 | cantido | prefixed: that depends on your setup, not creating a way to get into the environments even when the network is down seems a bit silly really |
| 00:47.58 | nsadmin | prefixed, ifconfig -a will show titles and paragraphs |
| 00:48.02 | nsadmin | what are the titles |
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| 00:48.32 | prefixed | hm eth0 eth3 and lo |
| 00:48.41 | prefixed | looks like eth2 didn't come up |
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| 00:49.20 | prefixed | interesting |
| 00:49.38 | prefixed | http://codepad.org/d6foUmKH |
| 00:50.55 | prefixed | on the other hand, it appears that if I switch eth2 to eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, I am able to start networking |
| 00:51.56 | prefixed | ok, so let's see if that works |
| 00:52.45 | prefixed | I do wish I understood the configuration process in linux |
| 00:54.12 | prefixed | and we're golden |
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| 00:59.22 | nsadmin | prefixed, there's not much to understand... you edit a config file and get something to (re)read it |
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| 01:55.29 | bauhausamba | I'm require clarification for the IPW wireless driver, if possible. |
| 01:55.42 | bauhausamba | may be rather a simple procedure, ultimately |
| 01:55.53 | bauhausamba | I've read somewhat in regards to setting that up |
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| 01:56.54 | bauhausamba | I've got a Latitude D620, and the non-free driver I am pointed to (iwlwifi) is supposedly non-current |
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| 01:57.30 | bauhausamba | I am told it is supported in recent kernels |
| 01:57.41 | nsadmin | what is it you actually want? |
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| 01:58.05 | nvz | bauhausamba: the only issue is installing the firmware |
| 01:58.21 | bauhausamba | yes? |
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| 01:58.25 | bauhausamba | oky, good |
| 01:58.35 | bauhausamba | so, then it's relatively simple |
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| 01:58.40 | nvz | bauhausamba: linux-firmware-nonfree I believe is thepackage name |
| 01:58.46 | nvz | !iwlwifi |
| 01:58.47 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 01:58.48 | mmnicola1 | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:59.02 | bauhausamba | ah, great |
| 01:59.43 | bauhausamba | that clears things up greatly |
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| 02:00.05 | dvs | bauhausamba: Do you know the pci ID of your Wifi? |
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| 02:01.35 | bauhausamba | PCI? |
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| 02:02.05 | dvs | bauhausamba: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 02:02.30 | bauhausamba | I'm unfortunately dual booting through windows at the present |
| 02:02.37 | dvs | ah oh |
| 02:02.41 | dvs | nvm |
| 02:02.43 | bauhausamba | if you are asking the card's physical location |
| 02:03.10 | bauhausamba | it's an internal unit -- I'd have to look up specs! |
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| 02:03.56 | bauhausamba | but it shouldn't be more complicated a matter than adding the non-free source and installing the firmware package, correct? |
| 02:04.10 | nsadmin | lots of times units on the motherboard are connected by pci |
| 02:04.23 | bauhausamba | it's certainly possible |
| 02:04.31 | bauhausamba | I'm not quite sure, to be honest |
| 02:04.37 | mmnicola1 | dvs: thanks for that, I've always used lspci -vvv | grep -B 2 Subsystem, -nn is way more readable |
| 02:04.52 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:04.57 | dvs | np? |
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| 02:06.02 | nvz | bauhausamba: you can get pciid through windows as well |
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| 02:06.47 | dvs | bauhausamba: Just follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Squeeze and it should work |
| 02:06.50 | nvz | bauhausamba: from the device manager go to properties on the device, then click the uh.. think its called resources tab..should be in there |
| 02:08.07 | bauhausamba | I'm running text only at present *in* Linux, but I may try setting up gnome or qT or something first -- I doubt it |
| 02:08.15 | bauhausamba | thanks for th e help |
| 02:08.25 | rainfyre_ | bauhausamba: I had my box set up like that for a while |
| 02:08.34 | bauhausamba | it's impractical |
| 02:08.43 | bauhausamba | cryptic |
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| 02:10.18 | bauhausamba | (whereas windows is clunky and excessively user-friendly: why I prefer mainline builds like debian , gentoo -- I'm looking into arch into the future) |
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| 02:13.19 | rainfyre | bauhausamba: impractical yes |
| 02:13.28 | dimage | hi all |
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| 02:17.45 | Diopter | bauhausamba: I personally use xmonad in X11. Lots of terminals, very little in the way of GUI aside from a web browser. |
| 02:18.59 | rainfyre | xmonad? |
| 02:19.18 | Dulak | A tiling windowmanagre |
| 02:19.23 | rainfyre | bauhausamba: I like arch a lot |
| 02:19.27 | rainfyre | Dulak: ahh ok |
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| 02:45.53 | asarch | Reading this page: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ I found that this graphic card "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2)" can use the nv driver |
| 02:46.02 | asarch | However, I can't find it |
| 02:46.34 | asarch | Is it nvidia-glx? |
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| 02:50.25 | enyawix | look correct? "dd if=Download/debian-live-6.0.4-i386-xfce-desktop.img of=/dev/sdb oflag=direct bs=1048576" |
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| 02:51.03 | dvs | enyawix: ??? |
| 02:51.17 | boudiccas | enyawix: try /join ##linux |
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| 02:51.25 | dvs | enyawix: You don't need the oflag or bs options |
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| 02:51.45 | enyawix | i do not know have not used dd in a long time |
| 02:52.03 | enyawix | google is not the tool it one was |
| 02:52.08 | dvs | enyawix: Then use cat |
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| 02:54.11 | enyawix | dvs: "cat Download/debian-live-6.0.4-i386-xfce-desktop.img > /dev/sdb" ? |
| 02:54.39 | dvs | enyawix: Yeah, that'll work. Use the "sync" command afterwards |
| 02:54.49 | enyawix | ok |
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| 03:02.19 | sauvin | dvs, no, checking out a macro and keep forgetting I'm in so many channels. I'll move it someplace else. |
| 03:04.45 | enyawix | dvs: thanks man i am up and running |
| 03:05.00 | dvs | no prob! |
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| 03:54.55 | bauhausamba | I am still not having any luck with the iwlwifi firmware. |
| 03:55.25 | bauhausamba | I tried scanning for wlan networks as root, but as told the "Network is down" |
| 03:55.34 | bauhausamba | as = was |
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| 03:56.05 | bauhausamba | this is after setting up withe firmware and wireless-tools packages |
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| 03:56.36 | bauhausamba | withe = the wlwifi |
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| 05:11.01 | n-iCe | i |
| 05:11.04 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 05:11.25 | n-iCe | I really need help |
| 05:11.36 | n-iCe | just installed debian but no internet |
| 05:11.59 | n-iCe | I used iwconfig to connect wrote essid and key then used dhclient wlan1 |
| 05:12.09 | n-iCe | but I cannot ping a siote or surf any idea? |
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| 05:12.23 | n-iCe | ping 127.0.0.1 works fine |
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| 05:12.56 | wo0t99 | route and dns ? |
| 05:13.07 | n-iCe | Sorry? |
| 05:13.24 | n-iCe | How to solve |
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| 05:14.04 | mmnicola1 | did you even get connected ? dhclient succeeded ? |
| 05:14.12 | n-iCe | well no error |
| 05:14.24 | n-iCe | dmesg says wlan1 associated |
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| 05:14.27 | wo0t99 | try ping google? |
| 05:14.34 | n-iCe | I did |
| 05:14.37 | n-iCe | does not work |
| 05:14.52 | wo0t99 | route -n ? |
| 05:15.10 | n-iCe | donde should I write what it says? |
| 05:15.13 | n-iCe | donde |
| 05:15.17 | n-iCe | done* |
| 05:16.21 | n-iCe | 192.168.1 192.168.1.254 aand some 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:16.51 | wo0t99 | cat /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 05:17.11 | n-iCe | nothing there |
| 05:17.15 | n-iCe | what should I write |
| 05:17.16 | wo0t99 | okay |
| 05:17.22 | wo0t99 | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 05:17.31 | n-iCe | oh wait |
| 05:17.37 | wo0t99 | nameserver 192.168.1.254 (your gateway) |
| 05:17.38 | n-iCe | I wrote it wrong the file has info |
| 05:17.45 | n-iCe | doman and nameserver |
| 05:17.56 | n-iCe | yeah are already there |
| 05:18.28 | mmnicola1 | that should work, do you have internet from any other devices connected to that router ? |
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| 05:18.40 | n-iCe | yes |
| 05:18.46 | wo0t99 | or up your interface |
| 05:18.50 | wo0t99 | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:19.25 | n-iCe | is wlan1 and I aalready did that |
| 05:19.27 | mmnicola1 | ping 192.168.1.254 ? |
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| 05:19.53 | n-iCe | works |
| 05:20.08 | mmnicola1 | ping 74.125.226.37 |
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| 05:20.10 | wo0t99 | traceroute 8.8.8.8 |
| 05:21.24 | n-iCe | Somehow is workoing now |
| 05:21.24 | n-iCe | Thanks guuys |
| 05:21.46 | mmnicola1 | Somehow. |
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| 05:21.58 | wo0t99 | ... |
| 05:22.20 | n-iCe | I unplugged the wireless card and plugged back |
| 05:22.22 | n-iCe | worked |
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| 05:23.05 | wo0t99 | maybe module |
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| 05:26.52 | nvz | has there been any progress on a simple software based volume normalizer? heh.. I can't stand the whole loud random advertisements thing. |
| 05:27.04 | nvz | I could swear there were laws passed against this.. |
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| 05:28.44 | ssfdre38 | hey is there a link for the source.list for 6.0.4 |
| 05:28.55 | nvz | !mirrors |
| 05:28.56 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:29.17 | nvz | ssfdre38: 6.0.4 is stable a.k.a squeeze.. the sources are the same as they've always been |
| 05:29.48 | ssfdre38 | nvz, its different for VPS as it just gives you the bare min in source.list |
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| 05:30.32 | nvz | ssfdre38: unless your vps provider has their own mirror and restricts you from connecting to official mirrors, then its not different at all |
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| 05:32.59 | r4co0n | ssfdre38, you can add mirrors with apt-setup, this is the program run in installation. http://www.debianadmin.com/adding-source-lists-using-apt-setup.html |
| 05:33.08 | |seca| | I just popped in the debian dvd. Is there a way to use wpa_supplicant? The installer is telling me that the my wpa_passphrase is incorect. |
| 05:33.51 | nvz | |seca|: just install what you can and setup the wifi from the running debian system after the install.. its much easier that way |
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| 05:34.58 | |seca| | ahh, I tried doing that, but it keeps taking me to the wireless configuration. Let me double check that I didn't hit the wrong menu entry |
| 05:35.07 | lasers | Anybody have any experience trying to set one vertical monitor? (and other remains horizontal?) |
| 05:35.46 | |seca| | yup, that was it. Thanks. |
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| 05:36.10 | somiaj | lasers: xrandr can do that |
| 05:36.15 | nvz | lasers: I don't have any experience but I have a vague clue of using xrandr |
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| 05:36.29 | somiaj | lasers: man xrandr, though there are grahpical front ends to it as well |
| 05:36.51 | lasers | somiaj, nvz: xrandr -o left? My problem is that my xrandr is only showing one screen (virtual?) while I'm using two monitors. |
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| 05:37.26 | nvz | lasers: are the monitors mirroring the same thing? |
| 05:37.38 | lasers | nvz: No. Of course not. :) |
| 05:37.44 | metaphysician | i have debian CD 1 and grub2 installed. How start the installation from the ISO image using grub2? |
| 05:38.14 | |seca| | wait, nevermind. It keeps taking me back to the network configuration screen. |
| 05:38.15 | nvz | metaphysician: you can't boot it using the BIOS? |
| 05:38.41 | nvz | |seca|: tell it you dont want to configure the network.. are you using the business card ISO? |
| 05:38.45 | metaphysician | nvz, i have the ISO image of CD1. not physical media |
| 05:38.53 | nvz | oh |
| 05:39.13 | nvz | metaphysician: so you have an OS on there already? |
| 05:39.25 | lasers | I believe Nvidia TwinView forms a single X screen and I'm trying to disable that. xset and xrandr only know about X screens, not monitors. |
| 05:39.26 | metaphysician | nvz, yes. |
| 05:39.30 | somiaj | its like xrandr --output output1 -o left --output oputput2 -o left |
| 05:39.35 | somiaj | lasers: ^^ |
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| 05:39.43 | somiaj | lasers: you can give options to a patciular output |
| 05:40.00 | nvz | metaphysician: what OS is on there now? are you going to replace it or dual boot? |
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| 05:40.31 | |seca| | nvz: it's the full size iso ~4gb burned to cd. It keeps asking me to choose an interface. Either my eth0 or wireless. I can go back to the main menu, but as soon as I select another option, takes me back to the choose your interface screen. |
| 05:41.03 | nvz | |seca|: I haven't seen the installer in awhile but as I recall there is an option that says do not configure the network at this time |
| 05:41.30 | nvz | |seca|: the only exception being the business card ISO that does not have base on it |
| 05:41.42 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: This should help: http://pendrivelinux.com/downloads/multibootlinux/grub.cfg, but if you do this only because you have no optical drive, you know you can simply dd the iso over a usb key ? |
| 05:42.03 | nvz | I was thinking more along the lines of debootstrap or such |
| 05:42.14 | nvz | or possibly even mounting and kexec |
| 05:42.32 | |seca| | nvz: I don't see that option in the main menu, do you recall if it is it under a submenu? |
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| 05:43.12 | nvz | |seca|: its where it asks you if you want to configure via dhcp, static, or not at all. choose ethernet then do not configure |
| 05:43.16 | metaphysician | mmnicola1, which menuentry should i use? i have debian-6.0.4-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 05:43.21 | r4co0n | |seca|, iirc, you have to say: "thanks, no network autodetect/dhcp now" |
| 05:44.41 | metaphysician | mmnicola1, should i try iso-scan/filename parameter? |
| 05:44.41 | r4co0n | |seca|, assuming you do not install from a netinstall medium |
| 05:44.46 | nvz | idk but its my personal opinion that trying to boot an ISO off a HDD to install is probably the hardest of half a dozen ways you could do this |
| 05:45.14 | nvz | debootstrap probably being the simplest if you dont have a thumbdrive or something handy |
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| 05:46.30 | nvz | not to mention I am not aware of this even being possible because the bootloader would not only need to mount and access a filesystem but then mount a loopback device and access yet another filesystem.. and thats a job for an OS.. if they even made that possible its ridiculous |
| 05:46.31 | metaphysician | nvz, it is easy to do that for Fedora, RHEL, Ubuntu. I don't know how to do it for debian |
| 05:46.50 | |seca| | nvz: Is this in the graphical installer? I'm in the ncurser(?) menu. |
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| 05:47.15 | nvz | |seca|: no, the installers are identical other than one being ncurses and the other being graphical |
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| 05:47.35 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: I am too afraid it'll get messy, especially when overwriting the partition on which the iso is stored |
| 05:47.53 | metaphysician | RHEL had a requirement that the ISO image be on a Ext2 partition |
| 05:47.54 | mmnicola1 | *I too am (or something like that) |
| 05:48.20 | ethos | My fan seems to always be on at full |
| 05:48.31 | ethos | Using wheezy |
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| 05:50.06 | metaphysician | okay, i'll try to find USB key. will dd'ing the CD1 iso image to the device(or one of its partitions?) work? |
| 05:50.21 | |seca| | nvz: hmm, I don't have that option but it may because my realtec ethernet requires I driver I don't have atm. Is it possible to load bin/bash from busybox and call wpa_supplicant. I really don't mind configuring the nic, but I'm just not familiar with busybox. |
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| 05:51.11 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: yes |
| 05:51.23 | nvz | |seca|: heh.. its possible to install without coniguring the network.. and it should be an option in there somewhere.. as I recall it was on the screen that asks you how to configure the network |
| 05:51.37 | metaphysician | mmnicola1, dd to device or its first partition? |
| 05:51.41 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: not "or one of its partitions" to the device only |
| 05:51.49 | r4co0n | |seca|, the point is, you should not need network/internet-access while installing from dvd, and setting up your wifi is easier on a running system |
| 05:52.19 | nvz | if I had a vm installed I'd have booted the installer already.. |
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| 05:52.59 | nvz | goes to raid the fridge.. suddenly hungry... |
| 05:53.04 | r4co0n | |seca|, if all else fails try passing the installation argument "netcfg/disable_dhcp" |
| 05:53.17 | nvz | well the other fridge.. cause there isn't anything to eat in the one sitting next to me |
| 05:53.26 | |seca| | r4co0n: I have yet to see this option. It ask me to choose a nic. The options are continue or goback. It then tries to configure by asking for a wep key |
| 05:53.32 | metaphysician | and i guess my BIOS's support of booting from USB is broken/limited, so I use plpbt (http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html) |
| 05:53.38 | ethos | So any suggestions into what I should look into if my fan is always on? |
| 05:53.45 | mindbender1 | when installing a package does apt-get invoke apt-listbugs automatically |
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| 05:54.29 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: never heard of that |
| 05:54.59 | r4co0n | |seca|, you cant tell the installer on the page before that you dont want networking? |
| 05:55.11 | nvz | ethos: my first thoughts on this issue are always that you need your hardware serviced.. but considering you're running wheezy and you'd probably tell me it doesnt do this with foo.. its probably due to frequency scaling on your CPU or GPU or some kernel bug.. who knows |
| 05:55.17 | r4co0n | |seca|, sorry, i usually install via netinstall |
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| 05:55.21 | |seca| | hold on, I haven't tried your second suggestion yet. |
| 05:55.30 | |seca| | r4co0n: ^ |
| 05:55.58 | metaphysician | mmnicola1, it works nice. use it to boot from USB even if the BIOS doesn't support booting from USB. |
| 05:56.03 | ethos | nvz: Well its only doing this on linux |
| 05:56.17 | ethos | And I have been having some kernel failures |
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| 05:57.37 | nvz | ethos: this is a complicated issue and ultimately I tell people they need to have their machine serviced by someone qualified in both the hardware and software in question.. |
| 05:58.35 | ethos | ahh I see what you mean |
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| 05:58.47 | ethos | thanks anyways |
| 05:58.58 | nvz | ethos: because when a fan it on, its on for a reason.. its the systems self preservation.. even if the system is cool, due to the clock frequencies and such, it thinks it needs to have its fan on.. trying to undermine that could damage the hardware. Best advice is to try fooling turning of frequency scaling on the CPU/GPU if being used |
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| 06:00.54 | nvz | I installed linux on my dads laptop and it immediately started randomly shutting off.. I took it apart and removed what seemed like a small kitten from his computer.. "worked fine in windows" but the cooling system was severely compromised.. and linux was protecting the system from damage.. |
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| 06:01.22 | nvz | seen far too many cases like that.. and I trust a computers knowlege of its own vitals over random user conclusions on the matter.. heh |
| 06:01.33 | metaphysician | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst <- this is a bit confusing: small CDs, Tiny CDs/USB sticks, Smaller CDs >.< |
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| 06:02.26 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: It's like buying milk, you have 1 liter pints, 2 lt, 4 lt. |
| 06:02.30 | n-iCe | what's the system montir package in gnome? |
| 06:02.32 | n-iCe | monitor* |
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| 06:02.56 | neutrino | ohai |
| 06:03.19 | metaphysician | mmnicola1, they have different capabilities |
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| 06:03.31 | |seca| | Hey, thanks nvz and r4co0n . It seems the installer is now working without networking. |
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| 06:03.47 | mmnicola1 | n-iCe: apt-cache search gnome system monitor |
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| 06:04.00 | neutrino | anyone who has experience with IPSec (especially setkey / spdadd) here? |
| 06:05.21 | r4co0n | metaphysician, on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall?action=show&redirect=NetInst#Installation_Media they explain some of it |
| 06:05.53 | neutrino | this line "spdadd 0.1.2.3 4.5.6.7 any -P out ipsec esp/transport//require ah/transport//require;" causes The result of line 15: (null). also the -P in line |
| 06:06.06 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: just get the first one, Small CD |
| 06:06.16 | neutrino | the corresponding config on the other machine does not produce errors |
| 06:06.20 | r4co0n | metaphysician, iirc, the different files are due to some non-mainstream cd form factors |
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| 06:07.41 | neutrino | any ideas? (on the machine with the error are just this spd entries) |
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| 06:10.56 | metaphysician | i don't get the uses of these files: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 06:12.13 | metaphysician | Are the uses of those files explained anywhere? |
| 06:12.41 | metaphysician | !netboot miniiso |
| 06:12.41 | dpkg | mini.iso is a super small ISO that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typically ~16MB. Start at http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall and work your way until you find the mini.iso for your architecture. |
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| 06:19.46 | metaphysician | may be we can combine the functionality of the mini.iso and the hd-media/* files? |
| 06:20.48 | mmnicola1 | metaphysician: how about using normal installation methods ? |
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| 06:23.01 | metaphysician | s/we/developers/ |
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| 06:24.24 | metaphysician | ok. it's mentioned in the appendix http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en |
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| 06:29.04 | superlinux | hi all. does receipt paper have different widths? |
| 06:29.20 | superlinux | or is't a standard/ |
| 06:29.21 | superlinux | ? |
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| 06:29.34 | mmnicola1 | there's probably a few standards, at least two |
| 06:29.43 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 06:30.01 | superlinux | mmnicola1, most common is? |
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| 06:30.22 | mmnicola1 | at burger king I get an interac receipt and a receipt from their POS and they are not the same size |
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| 06:31.19 | mmnicola1 | I would say the larger one is most common |
| 06:31.34 | superlinux | maybe i should use a size that's used by a major supermarket like woolies or coles |
| 06:31.49 | superlinux | yes! that's the one |
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| 06:35.10 | mmnicolas | I need some on-the-fly volume normalizer, I'm always lowering the volume on action scene then I can't hear anything when they whisper right after that |
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| 06:38.21 | superlinux | mmnicolas, how about the effects of VLC? |
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| 06:41.14 | superlinux | mmnicolas, after thinking of your question, it's impractical to have it, and it'll ruin the joy of the movie |
| 06:41.58 | superlinux | cos you won't know when the talking will happen |
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| 06:49.34 | mmnicolas | At least won't be constantly rewinding and feeling guilty of waking up my neighbors |
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| 06:54.56 | sephii | mmnicolas: buy a pair of headphones :) |
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| 06:58.36 | rainfyre | hey all. So is "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" different than "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade" because of how apt-get and aptitude manage dependencies? |
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| 07:14.33 | pmpbox | Where are the wheezy installation images? |
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| 07:15.06 | pmpbox | nm |
| 07:15.09 | mmnicolas | rainfyre: yes, but is unnoticeable or inexistant if you're using stable |
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| 07:16.41 | rainfyre | mmnicolas: that's about what I thought, but I might see a differentce in unstable or testing? |
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| 07:19.29 | mmnicolas | rainfyre: in my case, I used KDE4 in wheezy, tried to strip it down, no display manager, the minimum, and everytime, theres so many new packages, metapackages, new dependencies etc, I always ended up with KDM reinstalled :P |
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| 07:20.44 | mmnicolas | Aptitude cares about recommended packages |
| 07:20.51 | slikts | is there any chance of an universal package format for *nix? |
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| 07:21.17 | slikts | one package format to get rid of deb/rpm/pip/pear/pecl/gem etc |
| 07:21.24 | mmnicolas | slikts: well debian is the universal os, and it uses apt and .deb files |
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| 07:24.28 | sephii | slikts: as for pip, you can already generate rpm/deb/younameit if the software is using distutils |
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| 07:24.50 | mmnicolas | and honestly, any other good gnu/linux distribution is debian-based |
| 07:25.05 | mmnicolas | so why not use the real deal |
| 07:25.32 | rainfyre | mmnicolas: heh :) |
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| 07:37.35 | metacoder | the hd-media/* kernel and initrd could not mount Ext4 partitions! But it mounts ext3 partitions as ext2. |
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| 07:38.39 | alak_ | hi, apache channel seems to be inactive so i´l ask it here if nobody doesnt mind :p |
| 07:38.40 | alak_ | I have this log from apache error_log http://pastebin.com/4ciXmmrc - and basically every 2 weeks it just crashes after doing graceful restart |
| 07:38.40 | alak_ | 10:22 alak_ • any tips what the problem would be ? |
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| 07:43.34 | Quibus | hi |
| 07:44.00 | metacoder | Is Inode Use 21% too much for a default install? |
| 07:44.19 | Quibus | My mobo has 2 ethernet connectors, but I only use one. Now GNOME 3 keeps complaining all the time that the 2nd one could not be connected... even though I disabled the other one in the network settings... What can I do to get rid of this annoyance? |
| 07:44.25 | TomLM | Does anyone know what the usb wifi card mode is? |
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| 07:45.33 | TomLM | Or if there is a driver for the "Netgear N150" |
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| 08:01.25 | pjc_ | morning |
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| 08:22.15 | lusers | How do I install lm-sensors before I install a system? |
| 08:22.44 | lusers | How do I install lm-sensors before I install *Debian on* a system? |
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| 08:25.36 | nsadmin | lusers, you don't. |
| 08:26.00 | nsadmin | you install an operating system then you can install things on it |
| 08:26.41 | Chr|s | hmm thinking about trying out debian :) |
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| 08:27.25 | nsadmin | Chr|s, what has you thinking about that? |
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| 08:28.05 | Chr|s | Arch giving me so many problems, don't really care for the route ubuntu is going either |
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| 08:29.09 | nsadmin | so you see problems you don't want to deal with? |
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| 08:29.32 | Chr|s | Never said I see problems I don't want to deal with |
| 08:29.55 | lasers | nsadmin: I believe I solved my longlife problem. Everytime I install any linux system, I had to downgrade my card to a generic one. Now I stumped into something. It was my card. It kept overheating because the modules (ie coretemp and others) weren't running. |
| 08:29.55 | cedr | ponders where this is going |
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| 08:30.22 | Chr|s | ponders same thing |
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| 08:30.52 | lasers | nsadmin: When I'm done installing, I shut down. Switched the card. Installed nvidia binary asap. I think it's possible with virtual console. I don't have to install it. I just have to run sensors-detect and load modules first. Will try that next time. :) |
| 08:31.10 | nsadmin | Chr|s, ok. if you wish to try debian, start at www.debian.org |
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| 08:31.27 | Chr|s | nsadmin, indeed |
| 08:32.03 | cedr | i switched to all-debian from centos a few years ago |
| 08:32.05 | cedr | so happy i did |
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| 08:32.33 | Chr|s | awesome |
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| 08:32.53 | cedr | (I run about 30 servers [mainly virtual ones]) |
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| 08:36.13 | nsadmin | Chr|s, so if you wanted to deal with the problems that were coming up on what you were running before, you're looking to try debian because you think the same level and type of problems exist? what's the deal, first you say there were problems and then you say there weren't? already there's a communication issue |
| 08:36.35 | Chr|s | lol wow |
| 08:36.41 | Chr|s | drama already |
| 08:36.43 | nsadmin | I know, right? |
| 08:37.02 | cedr | blinks |
| 08:38.01 | nsadmin | with this kind of drama you're bringing up, you're not exactly inspiring thoughts of cooperation |
| 08:38.09 | cedr | pronounces Chr|s as "character s" |
| 08:38.30 | Chr|s | nsadmin, no drama coming from me buddy |
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| 08:38.56 | cedr | takes Chr|s with him to a distant corner |
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| 08:40.17 | nsadmin | ok, then you'll have no problem explaining this: "Arch giving me so many problems" with "Never said I see problems I don't want to deal with" |
| 08:40.27 | Black_Prince | giggles ... Oh what a drama queen |
| 08:40.42 | nsadmin | if you wanted to deal with them, you'd be fixing your arch |
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| 08:42.36 | Chr|s | nsadmin, I don't have to explain myself at all. I don't have to give any reason why I want to try debian. I also never said I I did or didn't solve my issues with arch. Why do I have to explain my reasoning to you and why does it seem to bother you that much? I haven't even been in here more than 10 minutes and you are causing drama? |
| 08:43.09 | nsadmin | first you say something then you deny saying it... |
| 08:43.17 | Chr|s | ... |
| 08:43.26 | nsadmin | never mind, I won't be dealing with this |
| 08:43.29 | Chr|s | Yup, denied it completely |
| 08:43.33 | Chr|s | Good :) |
| 08:43.41 | nsadmin | !ops Chr|s troll |
| 08:43.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: Chr|s troll |
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| 08:44.07 | Chr|s | How am I being a troll? |
| 08:44.21 | kbar | dont worry it happens |
| 08:44.33 | kbar | ppl get butthurt cuz different opinion |
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| 08:44.38 | kbar | boom troll alert |
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| 08:45.13 | Chr|s | I've noticed. |
| 08:45.16 | pratz | hey guys how can i use update packages in debian |
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| 08:45.34 | cedr | sup kbar |
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| 08:45.39 | cedr | :p |
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| 08:45.47 | pratz | I am considering any one of the following debian 6 or ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 08:46.08 | pjc_ | pratz: apt-get or aptitude |
| 08:46.09 | pratz | but my main concern is if i install debian 6 how can i get the updated softwares |
| 08:46.29 | cedr | using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 08:46.36 | pratz | pjc_: but debian repository is not updated as ubuntu's , I heard this |
| 08:46.55 | pjc_ | then use ubuntu |
| 08:47.00 | zeev | hi, my apt-get keeps back and doesn't upgrade 187 packages. 1) Why? 2) how do I force it to upgrade them? |
| 08:47.02 | pratz | pjc_: is there any ppa site for debian |
| 08:47.18 | nsadmin | no, there are not ppas |
| 08:47.34 | pratz | pjc_: hey dude, really i want to use debian but what about the pacakages |
| 08:47.35 | nsadmin | there are backports |
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| 08:49.03 | pratz | pjc_: can i use ubunut's repo for debian ?? |
| 08:49.28 | cedr | Why bother? |
| 08:49.30 | zeev | pratz: use debian testing |
| 08:49.43 | Chr|s | pratz, no you can't, not really compatible anymore |
| 08:49.52 | zeev | pratz: it's like ubuntu |
| 08:50.13 | cedr | zeev++ |
| 08:50.22 | pratz | zeev: then what is the way to use updated softwares in debian ?? |
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| 08:50.39 | pratz | zeev: i am a programmer so i need updated modules/packages |
| 08:50.50 | zeev | pratz: again - use debian testing, not stable |
| 08:50.57 | pratz | zeev: i am using ubuntu now but i want to move to debian |
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| 08:51.09 | zeev | testing is uptodate |
| 08:51.26 | pratz | zeev: so you mean to say people who use debian stable do not use updated packages ?? |
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| 08:51.39 | cedr | They use... stable/tested packages? :) |
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| 08:52.25 | zeev | pratz: make up your mind - either you want stable or new, not both |
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| 08:53.02 | nsadmin | pratz, if you choose debian stable, NO packages will EVER change. while there are backports, they don't substitute for the newer package thing. ubuntu packages are not always compatibile with the libs in debian; it might work but then you would have a mixture which would screw up your debian database and could cause your system to pull in dependencies from dists you didn't intend |
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| 08:53.51 | nsadmin | pratz, right, if you're interested in stability, that involves testing, which takes time after software is released |
| 08:53.54 | pratz | nsadmin: can not i use something like PPA for debian ?? |
| 08:54.07 | nsadmin | there are no "ppa"s |
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| 08:54.18 | cedr | Sorry, but what's a "ppa"? |
| 08:54.36 | nsadmin | there is, however, backports and also debian-multimedia |
| 08:54.37 | pjc_ | personal package archive |
| 08:54.42 | cedr | ah |
| 08:54.55 | cedr | ahh that's kind of neat |
| 08:54.57 | pjc_ | user submitted |
| 08:55.01 | zeev | pratz: you can add custom repos from 3rd parties |
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| 08:55.40 | zeev | pratz: I use ppa for one of my packages |
| 08:56.45 | pratz | zeev: i install debain 6 stable , say i want to update vim 7.2 to 7.3 , how can i do that ?? |
| 08:57.24 | cedr | gives pratz the magic of using one question mark |
| 08:57.43 | alak_ | I have this log from apache error_log http://pastebin.com/4ciXmmrc - and basically every 2 weeks it just crashes after doing graceful restart |
| 08:57.46 | alak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.50 | pratz | cedr: habit dude , nothing else |
| 08:58.00 | nsadmin | if you're a programmer, are you saying you know how to build source into binary executables? |
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| 08:58.51 | pratz | nsadmin: no i do not know that |
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| 08:59.07 | nsadmin | pratz, you may either be able to find a backport or build one yourself |
| 08:59.17 | pratz | nsadmin: hmmm |
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| 09:00.43 | zeev | pratz: install testing and do not bother yourself with manual updates |
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| 09:02.09 | bikeshedder | I'm having some hard time installing a laptop with debian squeeze on a Dell Latitude D620. I've two machines with the same hardware. One manages to render an usable console while the other renders unreadable glyphs. I've tried passing vga=771 in the boot menu which helps to read the initial messages, but soon afterwards some command is executed which seams to cause a videomode switch and renders the console unusable again. Any ide |
| 09:02.09 | bikeshedder | a how to fix this? |
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| 09:05.59 | nsadmin | it's a very good chance that you can just as easily edit your source code with vim 7.2, 7.3, 987234973,98742397293478, emacs, ed, nano, pico, or a combination of cat, head, tail and echo... editor version is not at all worth messing with your debian packaging database. |
| 09:06.30 | nsadmin | pratz, that's for you... I'm just saying it might not be worth the trouble |
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| 09:07.17 | cedr | sed! |
| 09:07.27 | nsadmin | true |
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| 09:08.46 | themill | real men code with a magnet, a needle and a steady hand. |
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| 09:09.13 | tralala | s/^/un/ |
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| 09:09.26 | nsadmin | pratz, if you care more about stability, you should minimize dealing with different versions... if on the other hand you want to do that, it may be that the debian packaging system (and how it contributes to stability) may not be something you prefer |
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| 09:09.52 | nsadmin | all these things are your choice... try it if you want |
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| 09:31.16 | khem_ | is there any good util / LiveCD for recovering data on a medium where a partition might be formatted with a new filesystem, or partition table might been wiped? |
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| 09:33.38 | npmapn | Hello. |
| 09:33.43 | npmapn | Is the 3.2 kernel from backports considered stable enough to be used in production? |
| 09:33.47 | npmapn | squeeze-backports, that is |
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| 09:35.07 | ksk | you sure to need a newer kernel? |
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| 09:35.54 | npmapn | ksk: Yes, I've run into bugs with the lxc from squeeze with 2.6.32. |
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| 09:40.20 | somiaj | npmapn: depends on what you mean by stable. For the most part it shoudln't crash, but it has not undergone the testing the stable kernel has in working with the other packages in squeeze |
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| 09:40.53 | npmapn | somiaj: Thanks for telling me. |
| 09:41.32 | somiaj | npmapn: the onther thing to consider is that kernel may not get security fixes from security.debian.org. But if you have to use a newer kernel the one from squeeze-backports is going to be as good as any you compile yourself in my expereince. |
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| 09:42.55 | npmapn | somiaj: That's good to know. I've been really conservative when it came to upgrading a kernel and only used the updates provided by the system so far. |
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| 09:44.39 | somiaj | for a production server the main thing I would consider about the backport kernel is lack of security updates. I woudln't worry about its stability in functionality... |
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| 09:52.46 | fredl | hey folks. I have a camcorder with firewire connection. Is there anything but Kino that can use the camera controls AND show the video at the same time? |
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| 09:54.12 | fredl | so no dvgrab I'm affraid :) dvgrab works fine, and with gscanbus I can already use the camera controls, trouble is my camera is downstairs, I am upstairs :) |
| 09:55.07 | fredl | and frankly, kino is a bit of a pita. |
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| 10:10.44 | nevyn | kdenlive? |
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| 10:15.21 | Phil-Work | guh, this is rediculous :( |
| 10:15.56 | Phil-Work | upgrading has royally broken courier imap in such that it refuses to acknowledge valid logins, it only acknowledges invalid ones |
| 10:16.02 | Phil-Work | rebooting fixes it for a random period of time |
| 10:16.04 | Phil-Work | when it breaks again |
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| 10:21.07 | cro | Are there any debuginfo packages for debian? |
| 10:21.42 | cro | > nm -s /bin/bash |
| 10:21.42 | cro | nm: /bin/bash: no symbols |
| 10:22.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | cro: not all packages |
| 10:22.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | cro: some have -dbg though |
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| 10:24.46 | cro | aja; thx! |
| 10:24.47 | cro | any simple way to install debuginfo packages for all installed packages? |
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| 10:30.24 | cro | aptitude install $(dpkg -l | grep "^ii " |awk '{ print $2."-dbg"; }') |
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| 10:32.33 | CuteAlien | Hm, if you have SSD + HDD for a programmers system and would have to decide what to put where... sources on SSD for fast compiling. But the OS itself (debian) - would you put that on SSD or HDD? I'm not sure how often the stuff on the OS itself reads from HD in a typical Desktop system. |
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| 10:32.43 | nsadmin | so that's to install again the -dpgs? |
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| 10:36.33 | OpenTokix | CuteAlien: Put it on the SSD, its pretty little data anyway |
| 10:37.15 | Trewas | CuteAlien: operating system goes obviously to the SSD, it makes a huge difference to booting and program starting times... for sources that are compiled often the difference is probably not that big, since they are likely to fit in cache |
| 10:37.18 | folivora | Gday, Could someone tell me why my vg_lvm disk isn't mounted at the boot? It is in fstab, but in reboot it wont get mounted. It mounts without problem with mount cmd.. I've tried UUID, label, path .... |
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| 10:37.47 | at0m | folivora: is it set to auto? or paste the fstab line? |
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| 10:37.51 | CuteAlien | ok, thanks guys. Then I put debian on the SSD. |
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| 10:38.34 | cro | and don`t forget the swap part. |
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| 10:39.59 | CuteAlien | hm, not sure if swap placement matters that much - once it needs the swap the system is slow anyway I guess... |
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| 10:40.41 | CuteAlien | Then again - I suppose 2GB swap should be sufficent? |
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| 10:40.44 | at0m | CuteAlien: slow swap is a killer |
| 10:40.45 | companion | Hello there, what hapend to the inetd package on Squeeze? o.0 |
| 10:41.00 | companion | is there any alternative package for it? |
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| 10:41.45 | ksk | companion: i guess inetd is just a meta-package!? |
| 10:41.49 | folivora | at0m: /dev/mapper/vgN_data-lvN_data /data ext4 defaults 0 0 |
| 10:41.58 | companion | ksk, so I need to install: inetutils-inetd |
| 10:42.23 | ksk | ,versions inetutils-inetd |
| 10:42.24 | judd | Package: inetutils-inetd on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.5.dfsg.1-9+lenny1; lenny-security: 2:1.5.dfsg.1-9+lenny1; squeeze: 2:1.6-3.1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2:1.6-3.1+squeeze1; sid: 2:1.9-1; wheezy: 2:1.9-1 |
| 10:42.33 | ksk | so go ahead :) |
| 10:42.40 | at0m | folivora: try with /dev/mapper/vgN_data-lvN_data /data ext4 defaults,auto 0 0 |
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| 10:43.43 | folivora | at0m: hmm... gotta try :) Just noticed that on 20 of my virtual servers, new lvms arent auto mouting :/ |
| 10:44.03 | cro | you can also enforce memory caching with some mount options like inode_readahead and max_batch_time=500000 for your sources if you have many like for the kernel. |
| 10:44.43 | CuteAlien | thanks, I'll look that up |
| 10:45.08 | cro | OpenTokix: man mount(8) |
| 10:45.30 | OpenTokix | cro: ok |
| 10:45.34 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 10:47.03 | cro | :) |
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| 10:50.57 | folivora | at0m: with 1 auto works.. other ones arent mounting.. only by hand ...grr |
| 10:51.35 | nsadmin | grr? hmm. have you found the problem? |
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| 11:13.55 | moty66 | hello, I have problem after upgrading the kernel of my PPC |
| 11:14.18 | moty66 | now debian can't find the /dev/hdc and it's doping me a shell |
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| 11:14.28 | moty66 | but I really don't now what to do with it? |
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| 11:14.36 | nsadmin | try uuids |
| 11:14.36 | nevyn | moty66: did you configure the kernel yourself? |
| 11:14.55 | nevyn | oh.. libata transition? |
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| 11:15.14 | nsadmin | actually, good point... moty66, what kernel version did you have? |
| 11:15.22 | moty66 | no, followed the instruction |
| 11:15.35 | nsadmin | moty66, what kernel version did you have? |
| 11:15.41 | moty66 | I had 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 11:15.55 | moty66 | and I installed inux-image-2.6.32-5-powerpc |
| 11:16.06 | nsadmin | , kernels --arch=poserpc |
| 11:16.07 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 11:16.15 | moty66 | I still can boot the old kernel |
| 11:16.31 | nsadmin | ok, are you booted into it now? |
| 11:16.34 | moty66 | but it seems that the hdc is changed to sdc |
| 11:16.48 | moty66 | nsadmin: no, I do it right now |
| 11:16.57 | nsadmin | what are you booted into now? |
| 11:17.14 | moty66 | the |
| 11:17.18 | moty66 | initramfs |
| 11:17.38 | folivora | What is the difference with these in rc6.d S50lvm2 -> ../init.d/lvm2 |
| 11:17.55 | folivora | K10lvm2 -> ../init.d/lvm2 |
| 11:18.00 | folivora | sorry shit paste :) |
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| 11:18.07 | folivora | should be on same line |
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| 11:18.39 | nsadmin | so let's make some ground rules... first, you need to be responsive; second, don't take action without us saying something like "do it now) |
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| 11:19.16 | nsadmin | folivora, they both point to the same script |
| 11:19.32 | nsadmin | moty66, accept ground rules? |
| 11:19.41 | themill | folivora: having S scripts in rc6.d is unusual |
| 11:19.46 | moty66 | nsadmin: do i have to boot the old kernel or the initramfs can fix this issue |
| 11:19.51 | folivora | nsadmin: yap, but it seems not.. since other with K10lvm2 mount my lvm in boot and the other one, since mount is issued before lvm is present |
| 11:19.51 | moty66 | nsadmin: yes, I do |
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| 11:20.06 | folivora | nsadmin: lvm is brought trough SAN ... |
| 11:20.30 | nsadmin | moty66, ok, cool... |
| 11:20.37 | moty66 | ;) |
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| 11:21.05 | nsadmin | the machine you're ircing on is the same machine you;re dealing with the kernel? |
| 11:21.18 | moty66 | nsadmin: no |
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| 11:21.38 | nsadmin | so, you're ircing on a separate machine |
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| 11:21.52 | moty66 | nsadmin: confirm |
| 11:22.31 | nsadmin | ok, maybe you could use the old kernel... is there a problem there? |
| 11:22.44 | nevyn | yep |
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| 11:23.41 | moty66 | nsadmin:I wanted to upgrade my debian to 6.0.4 |
| 11:23.55 | moty66 | nsadmin: and I found that the old kernel was out of date |
| 11:24.03 | nsadmin | moty66, oh, ok... boot into the old kernel |
| 11:24.17 | moty66 | nsadmin: all right, give me two miniutes |
| 11:24.34 | nevyn | moty66: /dev/hdx naming has now all been changed to /dev/sdx |
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| 11:24.51 | themill | nevyn: all? even on ppc? |
| 11:24.52 | dutchfish | hi, for an amd64 install (testing) in need a kernel on my machine > 3.0 during install and i know i need cd1 wich is about 640MB instead of the normal net-install.iso i use. However zcat boot.img.gz latest daily, produces not enough disk space on my usb device to hold cd1. How to solve that? can i grow the fat16 partition, does it boot? any help welcome. |
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| 11:25.10 | themill | nevyn: (I'm not disagreeing that this is the problem here...) |
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| 11:25.31 | nevyn | themill: libata transition aiui |
| 11:25.56 | nevyn | as ide got features like ncq etc it was combined into libata |
| 11:26.03 | nevyn | which uses the sdx names |
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| 11:26.11 | moty66 | i just did a dist-upgrade, i am not expert in debian to know that I have to change the device ids |
| 11:26.23 | moty66 | maybe this can be done automatically on upgrade |
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| 11:26.32 | themill | nevyn: http://paste.debian.net/166670/ |
| 11:26.59 | themill | moty66: did the kernel upgrade not prompt you to change your fstab and bootloader to use UUIDs? |
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| 11:27.37 | moty66 | themill: i am not sure |
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| 11:28.13 | moty66 | themill: i did the upgrade one week ago and i didn't reboot until today |
| 11:28.30 | nevyn | themill: what kernel version? |
| 11:28.44 | nevyn | nevermind. |
| 11:28.54 | nevyn | i re-read the paste |
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| 11:29.03 | moty66 | nsadmin: reboot ok |
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| 11:29.45 | nsadmin | ok, do you see /dev/disk/by-uuid? |
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| 11:30.08 | moty66 | yes |
| 11:30.15 | moty66 | 30af3300-2c1b-47e2-be48-57d825fbc5c9 df4a3a06-3d9d-48c8-bd8c-f00d88f5f599 |
| 11:30.27 | nsadmin | cd in there, and do ls -l |
| 11:30.54 | themill | "dpkg-reconfigure linux-base" should handle the UUID transition for you |
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| 11:31.24 | nsadmin | you're going to be using (for example) UUID=df4a3a06-3d9d-48c8-bd8c-f00d88f5f599 instead of /dev/something |
| 11:31.34 | moty66 | nsadmin: |
| 11:31.36 | moty66 | 30af3300-2c1b-47e2-be48-57d825fbc5c9 -> ../../hdc3 |
| 11:31.37 | moty66 | df4a3a06-3d9d-48c8-bd8c-f00d88f5f599 -> ../../hdc4 |
| 11:31.44 | nsadmin | themill, so that would work in lenny? |
| 11:31.50 | themill | nsadmin: this is squeeze |
| 11:32.09 | nsadmin | no, what he's UPGRADING TO is squeeze |
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| 11:32.27 | themill | nsadmin: no, it is squeeze just with a lenny kernel |
| 11:32.29 | nsadmin | 2.6.26-2 |
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| 11:32.46 | nsadmin | so he's done upgrading? |
| 11:32.50 | dutchfish | nsadmin, you can manually use UUID's in lenny by configuring portmapper manually btw |
| 11:32.53 | moty66 | nsadmin: yes, sqeeze in old kernel |
| 11:32.58 | themill | nsadmin: [12:28] <moty66> themill: i did the upgrade one week ago and i didn't reboot until today |
| 11:33.15 | nsadmin | portmapper?? what does portmapper have to do with this? |
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| 11:33.25 | moty66 | nsadmin: yes, i did the upgrae and dist-upgrade |
| 11:33.44 | nsadmin | oh ok. my mistake |
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| 11:34.09 | nsadmin | themill, so what is this thing he can do? |
| 11:34.52 | moty66 | http://paste.debian.net/166671/ |
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| 11:35.44 | sfsf32 | hello, why i can't print a file to the printer but only to a pdf file with mousepad? |
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| 11:36.53 | moty66 | themill: dpkg-reconfigure linux-base does not output anything |
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| 11:38.22 | moty66 | can I ln -s /dev/sdc /dev/hdc ?? |
| 11:38.35 | themill | moty66: do you have the "debconf" and "whiptail" packages installed? |
| 11:38.46 | dutchfish | nsadmin, my mistake i ment "devmapper manually" |
| 11:38.59 | nsadmin | well they're created each boot and /dev is a "fake" partition |
| 11:39.06 | moty66 | themill: yes, both of them |
| 11:39.22 | folivora | Could someone tell me how I can create proper symlink in rc6.d for /init.d/lvm2 script ? |
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| 11:39.56 | nsadmin | moty66, I'd like to see the output of mount (if we would do this by hand) |
| 11:40.25 | moty66 | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/166674/ |
| 11:40.27 | nsadmin | oh, you mean for lvm |
| 11:40.29 | themill | moty66: odd... by hand the old fashioned way it is |
| 11:40.37 | nsadmin | moty66, thanks... looking |
| 11:41.23 | nsadmin | do you know what hdc4 is doing? |
| 11:41.25 | moty66 | i try to make the links and reboot, do I have to put them in rc1.d ? |
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| 11:41.39 | nsadmin | hdc3 is the / mount |
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| 11:42.03 | moty66 | nsadmin: i have no idea |
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| 11:43.18 | nsadmin | ok, could you pastebin /etc/fstab? |
| 11:43.38 | nsadmin | and look at the pastebin too, for the line numbers |
| 11:43.58 | moty66 | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/166675/ |
| 11:44.40 | nsadmin | looky that, it already did the uuid stuff |
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| 11:45.23 | nsadmin | so that dpkg-reconfigure thing must have worked.... so, we're almost ready to reboot... gotta check the grub config |
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| 11:45.37 | moty66 | nsadmin: sound nice :) |
| 11:46.09 | nsadmin | so did you use grub? |
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| 11:46.20 | nsadmin | or which boot loader? |
| 11:46.25 | moty66 | yaboot |
| 11:47.01 | moty66 | http://paste.debian.net/166676/ |
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| 11:47.31 | moty66 | nsadmin: even here i usee the UUID now :) |
| 11:47.56 | themill | looks fine |
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| 11:48.11 | moty66 | reboot time? |
| 11:48.17 | nsadmin | yeah, I think so :) |
| 11:48.34 | nsadmin | and first boot into the old kernel to see if it works |
| 11:48.40 | moty66 | ok |
| 11:49.08 | nsadmin | if it does with all those changes, reboot again |
| 11:49.17 | nsadmin | into the new kernel |
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| 11:50.13 | moty66 | old kernel is booting now, everything is fine |
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| 11:51.03 | nsadmin | great! the uuids are working then, try to boot the new one |
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| 11:51.23 | moty66 | reboot the new kernel |
| 11:51.49 | nsadmin | yep, do that now :) |
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| 11:53.19 | moty66 | hmm, same issue, |
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| 11:53.45 | moty66 | hdc3 does not not exist |
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| 11:55.04 | nsadmin | yes, correct... but the uuid should point to where it goes |
| 11:55.20 | nsadmin | (btw your old hdc4 is your swap) |
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| 11:55.42 | moty66 | nsadmin: good |
| 11:55.56 | moty66 | nsadmin: I have to make the links manually ? |
| 11:56.46 | nsadmin | they've not been made? |
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| 11:57.22 | themill | moty66: what's giving that error? At what stage of the boot process do you see it? |
| 11:57.22 | nsadmin | does it still boot to the same place as before? |
| 11:57.23 | moty66 | nsadmin: i mean to make ln -s /dev/sdc /dev/hdc |
| 11:57.39 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 11:58.32 | moty66 | themill: I don't know what do you mean |
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| 11:59.08 | themill | moty66: can you give us some more context for that error message? What's on the lines above it? Can you take a photo of it and upload it somewhere? |
| 11:59.23 | moty66 | ok, I take a photo right now |
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| 12:01.59 | nsadmin | moty66, would that photo show also how it was like before to boot? |
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| 12:02.25 | nsadmin | does he need to do something similar to "reinstall lilo"? |
| 12:03.20 | MrJK | Hi |
| 12:03.20 | themill | you'd need to run "ybin" but the linux-base postinst should have done that. |
| 12:03.54 | MrJK | I was wondering if I can listen music from to softwares (chromium, aplay, mplayer ...) without using PulseAudio |
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| 12:03.59 | nsadmin | the postinst? that ran when he upgraded |
| 12:04.00 | moty66 | nsadmin, themill: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1175560/IMG-20120430-00005.jpg |
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| 12:08.48 | moty66 | nsadmin: moty66, would that photo show also how it was like before to boot? what do u mean? |
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| 12:12.41 | moty66 | another REAL screen shot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1175560/IMG-20120430-00006.jpg |
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| 12:14.36 | abrotman | MrJK: you should be able to .. what's so bad about pulse? |
| 12:14.40 | moty66 | I'll be back soon, I wish we can find a solution then |
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| 12:15.14 | abrotman | moty66: new kernel is busted? |
| 12:15.32 | abrotman | moty66: are you using LVM or EVMS ? |
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| 12:15.41 | moty66 | abrotman: busted? |
| 12:15.59 | abrotman | doesn't boot |
| 12:16.02 | moty66 | abrotman: i don't know |
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| 12:17.26 | moty66 | abrotman: i use an old G3 PPC |
| 12:17.57 | moty66 | abrotman: fstab http://paste.debian.net/166675/ |
| 12:18.22 | moty66 | abrotman: mount on old kernel http://paste.debian.net/166674/ |
| 12:18.50 | moty66 | abrotman: yaboot http://paste.debian.net/166676/ |
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| 12:20.39 | abrotman | moty66: can you use init=/bin/bash on the new kenrel to get some sort of shell ? |
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| 12:21.12 | abrotman | is about to lock up his computer, yay |
| 12:21.54 | moty66 | abrotman: I have initramfs when I boot the new kernel |
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| 12:25.32 | stmo | ls |
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| 12:40.39 | moty66 | nsadmin: am rebooting the old kernel, do u think installing lilo can help ? |
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| 12:42.01 | abrotman | lilo, on ppc ? |
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| 12:42.37 | moty66 | abrotman:hmmm, am not sure what I have to do to boot the new kernel |
| 12:43.03 | nsadmin | moty66, it did get thru the boot |
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| 12:44.03 | moty66 | nsadmin: so what is my exact problem? why disks does not work with the new kernel |
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| 12:45.36 | nsadmin | if we knew that, we'd be done! (hint: it's your goal to find out what the exact problem is) |
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| 12:46.04 | abrotman | moty66: if you edit the boot param and append init=/bin/bash .. can you boot to a prompt ? |
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| 12:46.50 | moty66 | abrotman: i can try, but i dont know how where to append that |
| 12:47.18 | moty66 | nsadmin: maybe this is the same problem http://old.nabble.com/installation-failed-td32396333.html |
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| 12:48.11 | nsadmin | unfortunately, I ran out of time.... you're in (fairly) good hands with abrotman |
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| 12:48.25 | moty66 | nsadmin: thanks for the help :) |
| 12:48.43 | moty66 | i will post the solution here if i'll find it |
| 12:48.48 | dokma|2 | what is the name of the virtual package that pulls all the C/C++ development tools |
| 12:49.42 | themill | !b-e dokma |
| 12:49.42 | dpkg | dokma: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 12:50.11 | themill | moty66: do you have any non-comment lines in "/etc/initramfs-tools/modules"? |
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| 12:50.45 | moty66 | themill: no |
| 12:50.47 | dokma | themill: that's it... |
| 12:51.05 | moty66 | themill: is have #sd_mod |
| 12:51.19 | moty66 | themill: and # raid1 |
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| 13:00.31 | themill | moty66: I suspect you've exhausted our knowledge of yaboot here... perhaps asking #debianppc would be a good plan at this stage (that tends to be a quiet channel -- be patient) |
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| 13:05.42 | abrotman | moty66: you know what .. i had a problem years ago, the bootloader scripts didn't get run after a dist-upgrade .. and it turns out they hadn't been run in ages .. this was on an alpha box, had to run the scripts that update the boot sector, not the boot control |
| 13:06.00 | themill | ("ybin" in this case) |
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| 13:11.05 | zW | Hi. I see this in my kernel logs : (3082k kernel code, 1061788k absent, 431100k reserved, 1873k data, 592k init), for some stupid reason I have Mem: 24152 12128 12023 numbers |
| 13:11.07 | moty66 | i try right now to boot the old kernel and run ybin |
| 13:11.20 | zW | And nothing is running on the box |
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| 13:11.42 | zW | Why is it using 12 gig on memory already, dus it has something todo with the absent memory message in my kernellogs ? |
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| 13:13.09 | abrotman | themill: but just because yaboot.conf is up to date doesn't mean that the ybin is |
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| 13:13.58 | themill | abrotman: by my reading of it, linux-base postinst should have fixed yaboot.conf and then run ybin to install it |
| 13:14.21 | abrotman | should have .. |
| 13:14.33 | themill | yeah, quite. |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | themill: wait .. what if the kernel was installed later, not at the same time as linux-base ? |
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| 13:15.15 | themill | that's not what linux-base is doing though -- it's just changing from /dev/hd* to UUIDs |
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| 13:16.34 | abrotman | but the old kernel didn't know about UUID maybe? |
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| 13:16.54 | abrotman | wild speculation here :) |
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| 13:17.09 | abrotman | themill: i should note he didn't follow the release notes |
| 13:17.22 | themill | yeah, quite |
| 13:17.42 | dokma | what happened to kernel-source-* packages? |
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| 13:17.56 | abrotman | dokma: linux-source-* .. like five years ago |
| 13:18.03 | dokma | ahhh.... |
| 13:18.43 | moty66 | yaa |
| 13:18.53 | moty66 | the kernel is booting, ybin fixed the problem |
| 13:19.44 | moty66 | nsadmin, abrotman, themill: thanks for the help. the ybin fixed the issue |
| 13:19.59 | themill | !congratulate moty66 |
| 13:19.59 | dpkg | Good show moty66, you did it! |
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| 13:20.48 | moty66 | btw, i installed the kernel after i dist-upgrade |
| 13:20.54 | moty66 | maybe this is the problem |
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| 13:22.25 | moty66 | uname -r 2.6.32-5-powerpc |
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| 13:22.59 | moty66 | i didn't try to boot the old kernel, i give it a try right now |
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| 13:24.33 | Boreeas | On a server, when running screen as a non-root user, I get the following error: "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY. Screen is terminating". How do I fix that? |
| 13:24.35 | abrotman | moty66: glad you worked it all out |
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| 13:25.29 | Poenikatu | Anybody familiar with ktorrent? |
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| 13:26.38 | ChrisH | Boreeas: unexpected error on Linux... I would run screen with strace and see what devicefile it wants to open. I assume some permissions are weird. |
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| 13:27.57 | moty66 | also booting the old kernel 2.6.26-2-powerpc works fine |
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| 13:31.13 | Boreeas | ChrisH: Now I get a bunch of debug messages and then "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777." - Isn't it generally a bad idea to set mode 777 on anything? |
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| 13:33.34 | ChrisH | Boreeas:eg /tmp/ must have 777... rerun the -> strace -f -o /tmp/strace.out screen <- then you can check the /tmp/strace.out with your favourite editor (vim) for stat,open and ENOPERM as starting point. |
| 13:33.55 | ansgar | ChrisH: /tmp doesn't have 0777. |
| 13:34.19 | oliva | hi there ... I have a tape library and I would like to do a one time backup of a large filesystem ... I have read that it is possible to instruct tar not to fail at the end of tape, but is there also a way to make it change tape automatically? |
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| 13:34.51 | themill | and screen is sgid utmp so that /var/run/screen is 0775 |
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| 13:35.06 | ansgar | oliva: Yes. |
| 13:35.07 | ChrisH | ansgar: My wording might have been a bit missleading. 1777 is a way of 777 :) |
| 13:35.12 | oliva | ansgar: how? |
| 13:35.47 | ansgar | oliva: man tar, search for "tape". |
| 13:36.07 | Boreeas | shell@h1968025:~$ strace -f -o /tmp/strace.out screen |
| 13:36.08 | Boreeas | Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777. |
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| 13:36.42 | ChrisH | Boreeas: none of mine has that: drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 4096 15. Dez 2009 /var/run/screen/ |
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| 13:36.53 | oliva | ansgar: -F |
| 13:37.00 | oliva | ? |
| 13:37.20 | ChrisH | Boreeas: is screen set-gid? -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 368256 2. Mai 2009 /usr/bin/screen |
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| 13:37.43 | ansgar | oliva: It at least sounds like what you want. Maybe you need to tell tar how large each tape is as well. I don't know. |
| 13:38.46 | oliva | ansgar: thank you very much |
| 13:38.48 | ChrisH | ansgar,oliva: no need to tell tar about the size. It just writes until the tape is full. If you add -M it will prompt for a new tape. I assume with -F it changes the tape itself. I never used that. |
| 13:38.59 | Boreeas | For /usr/bin, screen is "-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 328508 28. Jul 2009 screen" |
| 13:39.27 | oliva | ChrisH: I need to specify some script right? |
| 13:39.29 | Boreeas | For /var/run/, it's "drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 4096 30. Apr 14:54 scree" |
| 13:39.36 | Boreeas | So no difference afai can see |
| 13:39.51 | oliva | ChrisH: that use mtx to load tapes |
| 13:40.46 | ChrisH | oliva: Thats what I read from the man-page. I only used -M on y single tape and changed by hand. You need to put in some genrous time to get the tape settled |
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| 13:41.40 | oliva | ChrisH: I will give -M a try first ... then I will experiment -F |
| 13:41.51 | oliva | I need an urgent backup :) |
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| 13:42.36 | ChrisH | oliva: I was expecting that... and assume no backup on general schedule. |
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| 13:43.23 | oliva | ChrisH: for that it would be better to use bacula I think |
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| 13:43.57 | ChrisH | oliva: I use amanda but thats what I learned at the office. |
| 13:44.18 | oliva | ChrisH: looks like bacula is better siuted for tape libraries |
| 13:45.02 | ChrisH | oliva: I am running with a virtual tape lib aka a mirrored Disk, no problems. |
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| 13:46.56 | sary | Boreeas: my /usr/bin , /var/run .. shows the same and i can run screen with sudo or as root. |
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| 13:47.27 | Boreeas | sary: But no running it without sudo? |
| 13:47.28 | oliva | ChrisH,ansgar: thanks for your help |
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| 13:47.52 | ChrisH | is running sudo only inside a screen |
| 13:48.20 | sary | But sa@debian:~$ ls -l /dev/ptmx |
| 13:48.21 | sary | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 Apr 30 14:47 /dev/ptmx |
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| 13:49.18 | sary | Boreeas: i run screen without sudo . |
| 13:49.36 | Boreeas | root@h1968025:~# ls -l /dev/ptmx |
| 13:49.38 | Boreeas | ls: Zugriff auf /dev/ptmx nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (Unable to access /dev/ptmx: No such file or directory) |
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| 13:50.45 | Boreeas | What. |
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| 13:52.49 | Boreeas | I've got /dev/pts and /dev/ptyp<X>. Unsure if that's related |
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| 13:53.07 | sary | Boreeas: i have no idea why you don't have that file , see " man ptmx " . |
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| 13:53.39 | sary | Boreeas: you're running a debian server ! |
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| 13:54.54 | sary | lemme check my /dev/pts file permissions |
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| 13:55.35 | Boreeas | Hmm, it is a vserver, though. Still, there should be no problem with non-hardware devices, right? |
| 13:55.45 | Boreeas | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 21. Apr 23:29 pts |
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| 13:57.21 | jordanm | vservers are just containers, they have no access to kernel-level functionality |
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| 13:59.39 | sary | My ls -l /dev/pts shows .. oh well i can't use a pastebin service , i can paste it for you in PM. |
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| 14:02.15 | Boreeas | jordanm: Then it shouldn't work as root, right? (Also, it worked, for some reason, when the server was still running ubuntu) |
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| 14:04.58 | ChrisH | Boreeas: I found some google hints to simply create the Devicefile using: mknod /dev/ptmx c 5 2 and check http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/screen-error-no-more-ptys-299380/ |
| 14:05.29 | TheWarden | Hi, I installed way to many applications at the time of Debian installation. Now I'm trying to remove all apps that are not required for server use such as games. However when I try to remove gnome-cards-data, gnome-games, gnome-games-data and gnome-games-extra-data I receive a message stating it will remove gnome. |
| 14:05.35 | TheWarden | How can I remove all games without removing gnome? |
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| 14:05.40 | sary | Boreeas: are you SSHing to run screen ! |
| 14:05.52 | Boreeas | I am. |
| 14:06.13 | Boreeas | Is that bad? |
| 14:06.39 | sary | okay. |
| 14:06.54 | sary | no its not , just checking something. |
| 14:07.50 | Poenikatu | TheWarden: The gnome package is a metapackage which you can remove without harm. Because it depends on many other packages, removing any one of those packages will cause gnome to be removed. But don't worry, it will not remove all the other gnome packages |
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| 14:08.19 | Boreeas | ChrisH: Thanks |
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| 14:10.32 | TheWarden | Poenikatu: oh okay, so Gnome desktop environment itself will remain intact? |
| 14:10.46 | Poenikatu | Should do |
| 14:10.53 | nitzs | why aren't they updating wine in sid? |
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| 14:12.18 | os_ | hi |
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| 14:12.51 | os_ | the hibernate doesn't save any running program with me |
| 14:13.05 | os_ | unless gnome-screen-saver |
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| 14:13.17 | Boreeas | ChrisH: Thank you, that fixed it! |
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| 14:17.05 | ChrisH | Boreeas: the mknod did it? |
| 14:17.49 | harge | hi, is there a seperate channel for kfreebsd issues? |
| 14:17.52 | slidesinger | My browser (iceweasel 3.5.16 on squeeze) is randomly crashing. Running from a terminal shows a segmentation fault and no additional information. I can find this in bug reports for newer (sid/wheezy) but not squeeze. |
| 14:17.55 | slidesinger | I'd like to provide more information in the bug report, but not certain where/how I might find it. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:18.28 | TheWarden | Poenikatu: okay, I'll give it a go then. |
| 14:18.35 | Boreeas | ChrisH: Exactly, plus a chmod 666 on the newly created /dev/ptmx |
| 14:18.45 | Poenikatu | Ok ;-) |
| 14:18.58 | sary | harge: you can check using alis , /msg alsi list *kfreebds* |
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| 14:19.16 | sary | for more info /msg alis list help |
| 14:19.53 | harge | thanks |
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| 14:20.17 | sary | *kfreebsd* |
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| 14:22.53 | harge | blkid doesnt seem to work, is there another way to see, what name was given to a drive in /dev? |
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| 14:23.17 | sary | slidesinger: have you checked http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel .. for debugging/trubleshooting . |
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| 14:25.02 | slidesinger | sary: No, I did not find this page during my search. I will run through this and see where it leads. Thanks. |
| 14:26.20 | sary | harge: what about .. fdisk -l , or mount ! |
| 14:26.30 | harge | I will try that |
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| 14:32.21 | forestbird | doesn't debian rotate Xorg logs? I have like 500 of them in /var/log |
| 14:32.27 | forestbird | using sid btw |
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| 14:32.54 | abrotman | it should |
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| 14:33.34 | forestbird | should there be a config in /etc/logrotate.d ? |
| 14:33.48 | TheWarden | I'm in Synaptic Package Manager and was wondering what is the difference between "Mark for Removal" and "Mark for Complete Removal"? |
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| 14:34.14 | abrotman | purge vs revmoe |
| 14:34.16 | themill | TheWarden: I presume "remove" vs "purge" as dpkg defines them |
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| 14:34.39 | abrotman | i wonder if it would later give you the option to purge from synaptric later |
| 14:36.55 | TheWarden | themill: okay, so remove (uninstall but leave config/settings behind) and purge to uninstall and remove config/settings. Thanks. |
| 14:36.57 | forestbird | abrotman: it seems that other systems do it... not sure where this is handled though |
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| 14:37.11 | Quibus | My mobo has 2 ethernet connectors, but I only use one. Now GNOME 3 keeps complaining all the time that the 2nd one could not be connected... even though I disabled the other one in the network settings... What can I do to get rid of this annoyance? |
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| 14:41.11 | MrJK | abrotman: sorry 4 the delay. About Pulse, why should I install it ? |
| 14:41.37 | MrJK | abrotman: I fixed my problem, nly with alsa |
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| 14:49.51 | forestbird | MrJK: PA has many advanced features, but ordinary people (or never) use them. ALSA is mature simple and stable. but through GNOME PA is pushed to the masses... apt-get install whatever and PA is likely to end up on your system. |
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| 14:50.12 | forestbird | rarely missing there... |
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| 14:50.49 | abrotman | MrJK: i like some of the advanced features |
| 14:51.10 | abrotman | MrJK: i realize it's an extra layer of complexity .. but honestly, alsa by itself is just as much of a PITA |
| 14:51.29 | boston8372 | drawing a blank what is a good website for posting source code for debugging |
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| 14:52.23 | abrotman | paste.debian.net or pastebin.org |
| 14:52.42 | boston8372 | thx |
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| 14:55.56 | aznblur | I have a fileserver running debian, and over LAN, downloading anything off it is incredibly slow over the network |
| 14:56.01 | aznblur | Uploading is fine. |
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| 14:56.21 | aznblur | Harddrives appear to be fine since I checked it with iotop. |
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| 14:57.02 | cyanboy | Hello, I need some help with my wireless. I can't get any networks to show up or that there would be wireless on this laptop at all |
| 14:57.16 | abrotman | cyanboy: does your wifi need firmware that isn't installed ? |
| 14:57.17 | aznblur | ethtool eth0 shows a link speed of 1000Mb/s |
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| 14:57.47 | aznblur | So any idea as to what could cause downloading off the server to be very slow? |
| 14:57.48 | cyanboy | I'm not sure abrotman. Where do I find out? I have a dell vostro 3300 laptop |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | aznblur: dns issue ? |
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| 14:58.16 | abrotman | cyanboy: lspci -nn ... show us the line for your adapter |
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| 14:59.05 | aznblur | How would I check if it's an DNS issue? |
| 14:59.30 | cyanboy | lots of texted popped up. What am I look for or do I paste it to pastebin or something? |
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| 15:00.08 | cyanboy | Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4353] (rev 01) |
| 15:00.38 | bitHipy | is Brasero a front-end for a CLI tool? I noticed Brasero is now installed instead of GnomeBaker, and cdrecord is not part of it |
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| 15:03.07 | aznblur | abrotman: host 192.168.1.1 (another computer in my network) gives this line: |
| 15:03.08 | aznblur | 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 192-168-1-1.tpgi.com.au. |
| 15:03.14 | aznblur | where tpg is my ISP |
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| 15:06.22 | abrotman | really? |
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| 15:06.42 | abrotman | bitHipy: look for wodim |
| 15:07.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cyanboy about bcm4324 |
| 15:07.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cyanboy about bcm43224 |
| 15:08.02 | hoverbear | So, having an issue with Debian and Bumblebee.... Seems like power management on the nvidia card isn't starting until I explicitly restart the service |
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| 15:12.03 | K4k | Could I get someone to help me get my user certificates imported to Iceweasel? I'm going to Tools > Manage Certificates, but nothing comes up when I click that. This is the one barrier that is keeping me from using Debian at the office :-( |
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| 15:17.47 | sary | is it save to do apt-get dist-upgrade -f ! |
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| 15:18.31 | sary | bytheway , this is he output of aptitude full-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/166567/ |
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| 15:19.13 | ksk | sary: you should perform a safe-upgrade first |
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| 15:19.28 | sary | ksk: okay. |
| 15:19.41 | ksk | and why dist-upgrade and why -f? |
| 15:19.48 | ksk | do you want to perform a real dist-upgrade? |
| 15:20.08 | sary | Yes , from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 15:20.28 | Poenikatu | Is it possible to stop a bittorrent download and then resume it in another bittorrent client? |
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| 15:21.54 | ksk | !tell sary about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:23.13 | sary | ksk i've been told am beter of with apt-get dis-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy , and the -f to force. |
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| 15:24.16 | Poenikatu | sary: I don't think -f for apt-get means force. |
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| 15:24.47 | Poenikatu | sary: it means fix |
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| 15:25.44 | bitHipy | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:26.21 | dokma | I've got 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 running on my dedicated Debian box |
| 15:26.25 | bitHipy | wodim doesn't seem to be it. anyway, it's not important.. i was just wondering |
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| 15:26.36 | dokma | but can't find the appropriate linux-source package |
| 15:26.56 | dokma | anyone got a clue what I need to put into sources.list to get the source for that kernel? |
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| 15:28.44 | anticom | hi all |
| 15:28.44 | nitzs | dokma: is deb-src line present in sources.list? |
| 15:28.47 | tomasm- | hi, anyone know what happened to the dictionary applet for gnome, and how I can get it back? I am using gnome classic..... |
| 15:28.52 | anticom | i'm looking for someone to help me with bugzilla |
| 15:29.07 | anticom | i've installed it using synaptics and now i don't get it up and running |
| 15:29.32 | dokma | deb-src http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main non-free contrib |
| 15:29.51 | dokma | nitzs: that's the one that seems to me should give me that package... |
| 15:29.58 | tomasm- | anticom, I havent used bugzilla in years, but it should be just a web app installed under your apache server, you'll have to look into apache's config files to see where to access it from (ie the url, host, port, etc) |
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| 15:30.04 | sary | Poenikatu: i'd rather use apt-get to avoid Resolving conflict/unmet dependencies .. its my first attempt to try an upgrade i allways do a fresh insall. |
| 15:30.20 | nitzs | dokma: do a apt-get source <package-name> |
| 15:30.24 | anticom | tomasm- but there where no files created in the htdocs directory :/ |
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| 15:30.38 | anticom | or is it running as a v-host kind of thing? |
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| 15:30.50 | Poenikatu | I've never had an upgrade work yet. So I usually backup my files and install the new Debian from an iso |
| 15:31.05 | pjc_ | Poenikatu: ??? |
| 15:31.11 | dokma | nitzs: that works |
| 15:31.19 | tomasm- | anticom, look at your apache config files to see if something was modified, maybe it's a new config file that adds an alias for a specific path, ie /bugzilla, etc |
| 15:31.21 | pjc_ | Poenikatu: what type of issues have you encountered? |
| 15:31.21 | Poenikatu | Yes? |
| 15:31.32 | dokma | but what I want is a kernel source pakage that would install the source where appropriate |
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| 15:31.35 | Poenikatu | Package conflicts |
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| 15:32.37 | sary | Poenikatu: O' , then i misunderstood the -f option . |
| 15:32.48 | nitzs | dokma: i'm not getting what is it that you want to do. |
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| 15:33.20 | dokma | nitzs: for example I do have package linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 15:33.29 | Poenikatu | You only need the -f option if you have a broken package situation |
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| 15:33.31 | dokma | it installs that kernel source to appropriate locations |
| 15:33.41 | dokma | but I do not have linux-source-2.6.38 |
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| 15:34.23 | tomasm- | anticom, the next step is to do a "dpkg-query -L bugzilla", see where it put any files |
| 15:34.31 | dokma | nitzs: when I do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 it just downloads the kernel source to the current directory |
| 15:34.52 | dokma | nitzs: not the way a packaged linux source puts it in place where other packages expect it |
| 15:35.37 | anticom | tomasm- i already ran the checksetup.pl |
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| 15:36.57 | nitzs | dokma: i'm not sure about the difference. doesn't copying the source to /usr/src work? |
| 15:37.12 | dokma | I'll try |
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| 15:41.57 | Zmanu | hello |
| 15:42.12 | Poenikatu | Zmanu: Hi |
| 15:42.18 | Zmanu | i try to install grub on a usb disk with lvm crypt on |
| 15:42.25 | Zmanu | i try to find doc, but i found nothing |
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| 15:43.58 | sary | how come safe-upgrade won't install new packages .. am confused on how whould that help on the upgrade process ! |
| 15:44.17 | balboah | Where do you properly set max open files limit? /etc/security/limits.conf doesn't seem to apply for daemons and editing init scripts manually feels weird |
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| 15:44.33 | madsara | Hey, I have a package that I just rolled via debuild... Some files aren't in it, how do I specify files to be included? |
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| 15:45.08 | madsara | The control file? |
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| 15:45.37 | TransistOrg | I have a networking problem, my rigs loose their IPs after ~10hrs, I can click that networking icon on the bottom right "auto eth0" and it would connect and get an IP, |
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| 15:46.30 | xSmurf | anyone here using testing and gnuradio? I can't get gnuradio to compile against the portaudio libs :( |
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| 15:46.40 | xSmurf | No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libportaudio.so', needed by `gr-audio/lib/libgnuradio-audio-3.6.1git.so.0.0.0'. Stop. |
| 15:47.12 | TransistOrg | can someone give me a command I could use to the same thing as clicking that bottom icons ? I'd add it as a cron job |
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| 15:47.25 | nitzs | TransistOrg: is a dhcp client installed? |
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| 15:47.50 | gp5st | hello. i have a squeeze machine I just enabled wheezy on because I have a realtek 8188CE and I was following http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Wheezy but wlan0 still doesn't exist:( it's a thinkpad x220 |
| 15:48.07 | TransistOrg | haven't installed anything more than debian live |
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| 15:48.54 | n-iCe | hi |
| 15:49.01 | TransistOrg | I can reboot the machine and it doesn't get an IP, coldreboot does though |
| 15:49.03 | docbop | To do PXE installs does the DHCP and TFTP servers have to be on the same server? |
| 15:49.05 | gp5st | this is a pretty pristine configuration install less than an hour ago |
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| 15:50.13 | TransistOrg | is deian supposed to try gen an IP regularly if it loose his ? |
| 15:50.23 | TransistOrg | gen = get |
| 15:50.29 | jordanm | docbop: no |
| 15:50.34 | gp5st | TransistOrg: are you using dhcp? |
| 15:50.47 | TransistOrg | yes on auto |
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| 15:50.53 | gp5st | TransistOrg: if so, when the lease expires it will renew it the next time it connects to the network |
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| 15:51.50 | TransistOrg | I can phisically unplug the wire and plug it back and It doesn't see it's been plugged somewhere else, in that case another router |
| 15:52.28 | gp5st | TransistOrg: so when you do an ifconfig it doesn't have an ip (eth0 i'm assuming)? |
| 15:52.36 | TransistOrg | no |
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| 15:53.01 | gp5st | TransistOrg: try sudo dhclient eth0 |
| 15:53.31 | TransistOrg | I'll try that when it happen |
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| 15:54.56 | TransistOrg | I've tried half a dozen command line to fix that, What I'd need is a way to click that bottom icon, as it's the only thing that get it an IP |
| 15:55.04 | TransistOrg | there has to be a command for that |
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| 15:55.21 | TransistOrg | is that dhcclient eth0 similar ? |
| 15:55.33 | gp5st | similar to? |
| 15:55.50 | gp5st | dhclient |
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| 15:55.52 | gp5st | one c |
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| 15:56.04 | gp5st | you can do ifconfig to get the ip address of an interface |
| 15:57.18 | TransistOrg | I've been trying to fix this for months, the only thing I found was clicking on this http://imgur.com/a/AzPrq#0RM15 |
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| 15:57.37 | TransistOrg | unfortunatelly it's imposiible to do remotely |
| 15:59.17 | TransistOrg | The thing is on auto, the cable is plugged/unpluged , to other routers and it doen't detect it / try to get an IP. |
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| 16:00.22 | nitzs | TransistOrg: every time you connect your system to a new router in a diferent network, you'll need to do a dhclient eth0. |
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| 16:01.47 | nitzs | TransistOrg: even a "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0" should work. |
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| 16:03.05 | TransistOrg | Ok but it's not what I'm doing, I'm leaving it on the same network, I think I've tried all these command , here is result |
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| 16:04.17 | TransistOrg | http://imgur.com/tIKxV |
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| 16:04.44 | TransistOrg | sorry that not it |
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| 16:07.18 | ihsw | how do i run firefox, i downloaded the bz2 from mozilla.com and extracted the archive, and double clicking on the firefox file says 'Failed to execute file "firefox".' |
| 16:07.55 | calrogman | ihsw: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 16:08.07 | ihsw | calrogman: iceweasel is stuck on 3.6 |
| 16:08.12 | ihsw | i want the latest version of firefox |
| 16:08.19 | calrogman | ihsw: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 16:08.42 | ihsw | calrogman: i'm trying to run firefox, not iceweasel |
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| 16:08.53 | calrogman | ihsw: They're the same thing. |
| 16:09.07 | karlpinc | ihsw: See also the <overview> factoid. |
| 16:09.14 | Phil-Work | has anyone seen courier imap stop acknowledging successful logins after an upgrade? |
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| 16:11.56 | CuteAlien | Hi, I've got some installation troubles, maybe someone can help. Version is Debian-live 6.04_amd64 with gnome. First problem is that I always get "Bad archive mirror" errors. No matter which archive I chose. And I can ping the archives from console. |
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| 16:13.25 | CuteAlien | It tells me I should check errors on console 4 or /var/log/syslog. But no errors on console 4 and I have no access for syslog (and su with the password which I set in a previous step fails...) |
| 16:13.34 | ihsw | calrogman: i added the mozilla.debian.net entry to my sources.list file and i'm getting this error when i apt-get update 'W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A' |
| 16:14.16 | calrogman | ihsw: Read the second half of the page. |
| 16:14.26 | CuteAlien | When I just ignore archives the next step with grup install fails with: "the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/" |
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| 16:17.43 | ihsw | calrogman: how do i add the mozilla key to my keyring |
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| 16:18.37 | calrogman | ihsw: By installing pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring, like it says to do on the page. |
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| 16:19.17 | CuteAlien | ok, found a website with an idea about first bug, will try install again. |
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| 16:41.09 | gasull | Does anybody use Spotify here? How do you get though the missing libssl0.9.8 not installable error? |
| 16:41.43 | Poenikatu | Does anybody use ktorrent? |
| 16:42.00 | cedr | I'm sure someone does. :p |
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| 16:47.12 | dpkg | mirc: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:50.13 | gasull | I need to install libssl0.9.8 but it isn't installable. What can I do? |
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| 16:50.32 | Poenikatu | I can see that this bittorrent stuff is addictive. I've got 3 on the go now. |
| 16:50.44 | gasull | Is it possible to install an old library |
| 16:50.45 | gasull | ¿? |
| 16:51.02 | Poenikatu | gasull: should be |
| 16:51.44 | Poenikatu | I've installed old libraries from a lenny distribution, but I gather that lenny is no longer available. |
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| 16:55.34 | Poenikatu | gasull: why do u need an old library? |
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| 16:57.47 | propman | looking for suggestions on what generates the following file "lsb-release.dpkg-dist" thanks |
| 16:58.13 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 16:58.19 | Poenikatu | propman: have u tried dpkg -S filename? |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | it wil fail |
| 16:58.47 | propman | Poenikatu: thanks will give it a try |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | propman: dpkg -l lsb-release .. which version ? |
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| 17:01.04 | propman | abrotman: not on debian system....linux mint which doesn't seem to generate the lsb-release.dpkg-dist file. So was wondering what program did? |
| 17:01.07 | Zmanu | hello |
| 17:01.20 | Zmanu | how can i remove grub without installing something else ? |
| 17:01.21 | abrotman | propman: ask the mint people, have a nice day |
| 17:01.23 | forestbird | !hi |
| 17:01.24 | dpkg | hello, forestbird |
| 17:01.28 | abrotman | Zmanu: how will you boot? |
| 17:01.52 | Zmanu | abrotman: it's on a usb drive |
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| 17:02.21 | abrotman | Zmanu: what else gets remoived if you try to removee grub ? |
| 17:02.26 | forestbird | Zmanu: null out the boot sector? |
| 17:02.43 | DelTree | forestbird: and what about the partition table ? |
| 17:02.48 | forestbird | Zmanu: leave the partition table alone... |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | that's just dumb |
| 17:02.59 | n-iCe | any image editor software? |
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| 17:03.21 | propman | abrotman: so debian systems don't generate that file either? thnaks |
| 17:03.22 | abrotman | n-iCe: lots .. be more specific |
| 17:03.29 | Zmanu | DelTree: pv |
| 17:03.35 | abrotman | propman: this is a Debian support channel, not for Mint |
| 17:03.49 | n-iCe | any software like gimp |
| 17:03.53 | n-iCe | or inkscape |
| 17:03.57 | Zmanu | forestbird: how null out the boot sector ? |
| 17:03.57 | abrotman | use gimp |
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| 17:04.28 | propman | abrotman: I am not equiring about mint.......I am however enquiring about the possibility of a debian system generating that particular file and if so which program is generating it |
| 17:04.32 | __zero | when I sudo I get "sudo: unable to resolve host tofu" tofu is my computer.. what does this mean? |
| 17:04.45 | abrotman | propman: you just said you're not on a Debian box |
| 17:04.55 | abrotman | __zero: what's in /etc/hosts/ ? |
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| 17:04.59 | abrotman | uhm .. /etc/hosts |
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| 17:05.59 | propman | abrotman: ok obviously you aren't understanding what I am asking. Being on a debian system or not is immaterial to solving my question. thank you for your time anyways :) |
| 17:06.16 | __zero | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/uH0p1a2P |
| 17:06.40 | abrotman | propman: you aren't understainding what i'm saying .. we don't have a clue what Mint does to their packages .. ask them |
| 17:06.43 | Guest73088 | Hello, I've installed proftpd and looking threw the config and man page I'm slightly lost on how to add a user to ftp allowance |
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| 17:07.10 | abrotman | __zero: where's the line for 'tofu' ? |
| 17:07.12 | forestbird | Zmanu: first inquire what kind of boot sector you have. if it's mbr you can see here for example: http://www.noah.org/wiki/Dd_-_Destroyer_of_Disks |
| 17:07.16 | Poenikatu | __zero: You need a line for your host |
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| 17:07.37 | propman | abrotman: I am *quite* aware of those facts....again I am *not* asking about mint....just the program that generates that file. |
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| 17:07.54 | Zmanu | forestbird: soon try with dd but i gonna read your doc |
| 17:07.54 | Poenikatu | __zero: try "127.0.0.1 tofu" |
| 17:08.02 | abrotman | on mint .. |
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| 17:08.21 | abrotman | he probably wants to add it to the localhhost line in that case |
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| 17:08.35 | __zero | so should I delete the localhost line? |
| 17:08.44 | propman | _zero: interesting one of my computer hostnames is also tofu ;-) |
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| 17:08.58 | abrotman | __zero: no, at tehend of the line, put 'tofu' |
| 17:09.05 | Poenikatu | __zero: no, just add it below the localhost line |
| 17:09.08 | __zero | propman: haha, I also have another box called sushi |
| 17:09.21 | __zero | ok thanks, Ill try that |
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| 17:09.55 | __zero | worked! thank you |
| 17:09.57 | Poenikatu | confusid: r u using sid? |
| 17:10.05 | Mtl_Harmony | How many PPS transfering could be interpreted as a DDOS/Bruteforce ? |
| 17:10.06 | propman | _zero: my is actually named after one of my old bands. Three Old Farts Unplugged. |
| 17:10.13 | Poenikatu | __zero: good news :-) |
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| 17:10.21 | __zero | for some reason It was also not letting me ping another computer on the network |
| 17:10.23 | confusid | Poenikatu: stupid question? what is sid? |
| 17:10.27 | Zmanu | forestbird: thanks for url |
| 17:10.33 | confusid | This is a fresh install of Debian 6 |
| 17:10.38 | __zero | but now it works ^^ |
| 17:10.39 | Poenikatu | confusid: the unstable version of Debian |
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| 17:11.14 | confusid | 2.6 release |
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| 17:12.03 | abrotman | Mtl_Harmony: probably depends on your bandwidth in terms of a DDoS |
| 17:12.14 | confusid | Poenikatu: I'm sorry.. it is 6.04-64 |
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| 17:12.30 | Poenikatu | confusid: what is? kernel? |
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| 17:13.21 | confusid | Debian 6.04-64. Kernel is the 2.6.32-5 |
| 17:14.04 | ihsw | how do i install the xulrunner package |
| 17:14.07 | Poenikatu | Ok. I'm using the siduction distribution which is based on Debian sid. My kernel is a 3.3 series. |
| 17:14.33 | Poenikatu | ihsw: With apt-get? |
| 17:14.45 | jordanm | !tell Poenikatu about based on debian |
| 17:14.52 | confusid | I am using the package for proftpd |
| 17:14.57 | ihsw | Poenikatu: running apt-get install xulrunner results with This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 17:15.09 | ihsw | etc |
| 17:15.20 | confusid | netstat -tulpn | grep 21 shows the port is up and running |
| 17:15.28 | confusid | just when I connect or try to it is refused. |
| 17:15.40 | Poenikatu | ihsw: try apt-cache search xulrunner |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | confusid: is this at home ? |
| 17:15.47 | jordanm | ihsw: xulrunner-<version>. depends on which version of debian you use |
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| 17:16.17 | confusid | abrotman: no it is not a home computer. |
| 17:16.27 | confusid | it is a personal test computer though |
| 17:16.27 | Mtl_Harmony | Ah ? PPS for Bruteforce & bandwidth for DDOS ? ^^ |
| 17:16.27 | abrotman | is there a firewall? |
| 17:16.32 | ihsw | i'm trying to install xulrunner-12.0 but i'm getting dependency issues |
| 17:16.41 | confusid | only if Debian has a default one it installs |
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| 17:16.43 | abrotman | confusid: from the machine itself, can you telnet localhost 21 ? |
| 17:16.45 | ihsw | like libcairo2 has version x but i need version y |
| 17:16.50 | jordanm | ihsw: sounds like you have mixed versions of debian |
| 17:17.02 | Poenikatu | ihsw: what about apt-get -f install |
| 17:17.10 | ihsw | jordanm: i'm trying to install the latest version of firefox, why is it so difficult |
| 17:17.26 | ihsw | i added the mozilla.debian ppa |
| 17:17.28 | abrotman | ihsw: did you use mozilla.debian.net ? |
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| 17:17.39 | abrotman | ihsw: this is NOT #ubuntu .. don't use their packages |
| 17:17.43 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 17:17.55 | abrotman | I have a toyota part .. ford car .. what could go wrong |
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| 17:18.03 | ihsw | abrotman: ubuntu? why are you bringing that up? i'm running debian...come on take it easy |
| 17:18.15 | confusid | abrotman: yes it connected |
| 17:18.15 | ihsw | i'm on squeeze-backports |
| 17:18.45 | Poenikatu | Installing firefox is straightforward. Unpack the firefox tarball in /usr/local/share and put a symbolic link to /usr/local/share/firefox/firefox in /usr/local/bin |
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| 17:19.14 | confusid | I have not set up any users. I think that is the problem. My user for ssh is not able to connect and anonymouse does not connect as well |
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| 17:19.32 | confusid | to ftp... |
| 17:19.39 | abrotman | ihsw: PPAs are NOT for Debian |
| 17:20.07 | ihsw | ok i don't know what a ppa is to begin with |
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| 17:20.12 | ihsw | i added a deb line to my sources.list file |
| 17:20.28 | jordanm | ihsw: PPAs are "personal package archives" for ubuntu |
| 17:20.28 | abrotman | you're hte one that said PPA .. wtf |
| 17:20.35 | abrotman | he said it, not me |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | jesus |
| 17:20.42 | ihsw | it's cool |
| 17:20.45 | ihsw | we're all friends here |
| 17:20.49 | ihsw | we all hate ubuntu |
| 17:20.53 | rainfyre | heh |
| 17:20.53 | scientes | lol |
| 17:20.56 | Poenikatu | yes |
| 17:21.00 | rainfyre | yepp |
| 17:21.16 | ihsw | i just got some terminology mixed up, my bad |
| 17:21.24 | at0m | ihsw: like mac or windows? wtf |
| 17:21.31 | at0m | thought you didnt know ppa |
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| 17:21.54 | at0m | [/trollslip] |
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| 17:24.12 | rainfyre | taking an informal poll: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 17:24.20 | abrotman | !polls |
| 17:24.21 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 17:24.21 | Poenikatu | apt-get |
| 17:25.17 | rainfyre | hah |
| 17:25.17 | dkr | rainfyre: whichever the release notes for the release you are using recommends. :) |
| 17:25.25 | rainfyre | dkr: :) |
| 17:25.35 | rainfyre | dkr: squeeze and wheezy |
| 17:26.01 | confusid | ok.. Where can I find a log for proftpd? If it is failing to start as inetd? |
| 17:26.06 | confusid | /var/log/?? |
| 17:26.30 | Poenikatu | confusid: good starting place |
| 17:27.07 | ihsw | i untared the firefox archive to /usr/local/share and added a symlink in /usr/local/bin, but i'm still unable to execute it and getting an error 'no such file or directory' |
| 17:27.35 | confusid | ii)] [3:freenode/#debian(+CLPcflnt)] |
| 17:27.35 | confusid | [#debian] i |
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| 17:27.56 | abrotman | ihsw: what's wrong with using the stuff from mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 17:27.59 | Poenikatu | ihsw: try the command "ldd /usr/local/share/firefox/firefox" to see what libraries are missing |
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| 17:28.08 | DelphiWorld | hello |
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| 17:28.16 | DelphiWorld | what's the package name for module assistant? |
| 17:28.16 | abrotman | or have him use mozilla.debian.net ... |
| 17:28.17 | Poenikatu | DelphiWorld: Hi |
| 17:28.29 | ihsw | Poenikatu: it says it's not a dynamic executable |
| 17:28.32 | confusid | I tried to install so it would be used by initd. Was that a bad idea? |
| 17:28.35 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: you should know how to search by now |
| 17:28.49 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, i'm not a kernel dev:P |
| 17:29.00 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: and i didn't remember the package name |
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| 17:29.19 | Poenikatu | DelphiWorld: module-assistant |
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| 17:29.33 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: this is about learning how to search in Debian .. not the kernekl .. stop being so lazy |
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| 17:29.48 | DelphiWorld | avernos: ;) |
| 17:29.49 | ihsw | abrotman: if i try to install iceweasel it tells me i'm missing dependencies (like libcairo2 version x) and i'm not sure how to install those specific versions |
| 17:29.57 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: :) |
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| 17:30.27 | abrotman | ihsw: show us your sources.list instead of making us guess |
| 17:30.39 | Poenikatu | ihsw: libcairo2 is a Debian package |
| 17:30.47 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: hardly something to smile about |
| 17:30.56 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: last time :) |
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| 17:31.54 | ihsw | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/kHpeFuuJ |
| 17:32.10 | DelphiWorld | thank you abrotman |
| 17:32.12 | Night_Elf | Hi all. Here I have places a paste of a message that has appeared at the kernel messages visible with dmesg. http://paste.debian.net/166718 I thought it could be a bug, so I placed it there, it could be useful. It is a fresh installation of Squeeze, on an IBM Blade HS21. |
| 17:32.15 | ihsw | Poenikatu: i have libcairo2 but the installed version for installing iceweasel is too low, and i'm not sure how to upgrade libcairo2 |
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| 17:32.56 | abrotman | ihsw: this is not the crunchbang support channel, no wonder nothing works, go ask them |
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| 17:33.54 | Poenikatu | You could use your web browser to go to the debian mirror and look in the pool directory |
| 17:34.01 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: debuild |
| 17:34.02 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: msg the bot |
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| 17:34.17 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ack |
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| 17:36.08 | confusid | I keep seeing while googling.. howto's say to install proftpd as standalone. Is there a good readme someone could point me to for using initd? |
| 17:36.27 | abrotman | inetd |
| 17:37.07 | confusid | for using proftpd with inetd |
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| 17:37.54 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: sory for disturbing but thank you |
| 17:38.02 | abrotman | good luck :) |
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| 17:38.33 | davidgul | hi |
| 17:38.42 | davidgul | some one can help me with lftp ? |
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| 17:39.25 | Poenikatu | davidgul: what do you want to know? |
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| 17:40.46 | davidgul | How to connect to sftp server, How to browsing to the folder i wont, and how to copy files to my machine |
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| 17:41.40 | confusid | ok.. wtf... |
| 17:42.04 | confusid | used apt-get purge proftpd then reinstalled it. this time as standalone not as initd. |
| 17:42.12 | confusid | It starts and just works. |
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| 17:46.10 | Night_Elf | davidgul: lftp -u user,pass sftp://ip.of.server.here |
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| 17:47.04 | davidgul | Night_Elf : What with the port ? and how i browsing to the folder i wont ? |
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| 17:47.49 | jordanm | confusid: dpkg-reconfigure proftpd probably would have taken care of that |
| 17:48.39 | confusid | I still don't see how it runs in stand alone but does not with initd. |
| 17:48.43 | Night_Elf | davidgul: the port is normally determined by the protocol specification in front of the ip, in this case sftp (or port 22). As for the browsing, you will start at the homedir, and then you can use "cd" like you do in a shell to go where you want to. There you use "get filename" to download the files. |
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| 17:49.35 | neo^ | just fresh-installed squeeze 6.0.4, xfce4, xfce4-goodies. How do I make the display manager to automatically start? |
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| 17:49.55 | davidgul | Night_Elf : Thank you very much |
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| 17:50.11 | jordanm | neo^: just install one, gdm3 for example |
| 17:50.23 | Night_Elf | davidgul: cheers |
| 17:50.29 | jordanm | xfce does not come with a display manager |
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| 17:51.27 | neo^ | does the display manager affect user experience? |
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| 17:52.19 | neo^ | i want to make the system as fast and light as possible |
| 17:52.21 | davidgul | Night_Elf : One more question what if i wont copy folder ? |
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| 17:53.44 | DarthFrog | Good morning. Can I hide an installed package from apt-get such that it stops insisting that it has an unmet dependency and refusing to proceed unless I let autoremove nuke it? |
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| 17:54.07 | DarthFrog | The package in question has an obsolete dependency that I worked around manually. |
| 17:54.45 | Night_Elf | davidgul: I know that to get all the files in a folder, you do "mget path/of/folder/*" but I guess you will want the subfolders too. I have to see about how to do this, the recursive multiple get. |
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| 17:59.38 | jordanm | DarthFrog: use equivs to create a dummy package that satisfies the dependency |
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| 18:00.12 | DarthFrog | jordanm: Thanks. Now I need to figure out what equivs are. :-) |
| 18:00.25 | jordanm | DarthFrog: http://eric.lubow.org/2010/system-administration/creating-dummy-packages-on-debian/ |
| 18:00.57 | DarthFrog | thank you, squire. |
| 18:00.59 | Night_Elf | davidgul: I can't find how to get a folder recursively. But I think you can do that with the "mirror path/of/folder/to/take" command. |
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| 18:02.08 | DarthFrog | jordanm: equivs seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks. |
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| 18:04.17 | dvs | exhales in relief |
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| 18:06.13 | Psi-Jack | What is that curses interface called that aptitude runs when an application needs to be configured? Is that dpkg-configure running specifically for that package? |
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| 18:09.01 | Psi-Jack | Ahh, debconf. ;) |
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| 18:12.57 | enyawix | what happen to nm-applet? |
| 18:13.19 | dvs | enyawix: I thought it was network-manager-gnome? |
| 18:13.32 | enyawix | dvs: yes |
| 18:13.42 | enyawix | it is not in the package list |
| 18:13.43 | dvs | ,versions network-manager-gnome |
| 18:13.45 | judd | Package: network-manager-gnome on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4-2~bpo60+1; sid: 0.9.4.1-1; wheezy: 0.9.4.1-1 |
| 18:14.02 | dvs | enyawix: It's not on YOUR package list |
| 18:14.16 | enyawix | i may have goofed looking |
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| 18:15.51 | enyawix | got it :) thanks dvs |
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| 18:16.12 | dvs | np |
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| 18:29.21 | gp5st | i need help installing drivers for a realtek 8188ce on a thinkpad x220. i just can't seem to get it to work:( |
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| 18:30.10 | jordanm | !rtl8188ce |
| 18:30.10 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 18:30.21 | gp5st | this is a brand new install with only sudo, build-essential, and openssh-server installed |
| 18:30.25 | gp5st | jordanm: i've been there |
| 18:30.29 | gp5st | it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:30.33 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 18:30.34 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 18:30.54 | gp5st | i follow the instructions and there is no wireless adapter present |
| 18:30.58 | gp5st | happy? |
| 18:31.37 | gp5st | specifically, i installed firmware-realtek |
| 18:31.43 | jordanm | gp5st: what version of debian? |
| 18:31.46 | themill | that's still pretty vague. What does "no wireless adapter present" mean? |
| 18:32.08 | gp5st | themill what do you want from me? |
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| 18:32.30 | themill | what do you mean by that statement? |
| 18:32.40 | gp5st | jordanm: at the time i added wheezy to the repo and i still wasn't able to get a wireless adapter to appear |
| 18:32.45 | themill | (how did you verify that there was "no wireless adapter present") |
| 18:32.47 | jordanm | details such as "I ran command blah, and no wlan device is shown" |
| 18:32.52 | jordanm | gp5st: you shouldn't mix repos |
| 18:32.58 | gp5st | i ended up having to wipe and start over |
| 18:33.05 | gp5st | jordanm: yes, it's rule #1 |
| 18:33.06 | jordanm | gp5st: if you are on squeeze, you need to instal the kernel from backports |
| 18:33.08 | gp5st | and i broke it |
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| 18:33.17 | jordanm | !tell gp5st about bpo |
| 18:33.22 | alesan | hi, how do I uncompress and extract a .deb file in the local directory? |
| 18:33.22 | gp5st | i know about backports |
| 18:33.34 | themill | alesan: dpkg -x |
| 18:33.34 | gp5st | that isn't what the instructions say |
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| 18:34.03 | alesan | themill, THANKS! that saved the day! |
| 18:34.27 | themill | gp5st: actually, the wiki instructions say that most of these chips should be supported by the kernel that's already in squeeze. |
| 18:34.28 | gp5st | jordanm: the instructions say nothing about needing a specific kernel |
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| 18:34.41 | gp5st | yes, hence why i'm confused themill |
| 18:34.42 | jordanm | gp5st: yes it does |
| 18:35.05 | jordanm | gp5st: rtl8192se (supported devices) Introduced in Linux 3.0, enabled at linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc1-1~experimental.1. |
| 18:35.14 | themill | gp5st: but they do not list your particular card for squeeze, do they? |
| 18:35.15 | dvs | gp5st: What's "the instructions"? |
| 18:35.22 | jordanm | wrong one |
| 18:35.23 | jordanm | Introduced in Linux 2.6.38,7 enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2. |
| 18:35.30 | themill | dvs: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 18:35.37 | dvs | ah |
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| 18:36.17 | Sultanoid | howdy... i assume debian-stable (kernel) is recent enough to run on intel z68 chipsets? (amd64) |
| 18:36.26 | gp5st | ::sigh::, let i'm on 34 i believe. give me a sec and thanks for hitting me witha board, i needed it |
| 18:36.51 | dvs | Sultanoid: probably not |
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| 18:37.23 | Sultanoid | dvs: ah ok... well i expect my mobo to arrive tomorrow, so lets see then |
| 18:37.36 | dvs | !tell Sultanoid -about kmuto |
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| 18:38.34 | burhan | any recommended tools for unattended installs? |
| 18:38.43 | dvs | !fai |
| 18:38.43 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:38.46 | Sultanoid | kmuto? (excuse my ignorance) |
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| 18:40.21 | Sultanoid | dvs: ah i see. thanks alot pal |
| 18:40.26 | dvs | np |
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| 18:41.49 | gp5st | sorry for being snappy earlier |
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| 18:43.10 | dvs | Sultanoid: No z77 motherboard? (I guess it's too late now) |
| 18:43.39 | Sultanoid | dvs: z68 |
| 18:44.48 | Sultanoid | z77 little beyond my budget for this box |
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| 18:45.12 | Sultanoid | found a really good bang-for-buck board for €85 |
| 18:45.27 | dvs | ah |
| 18:45.29 | gp5st | annnnnnd that worked. thanks dvs, themill, and jordanm for putting me in my place |
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| 18:56.51 | Night_Elf | Would it be of usage to anyone a dmesg message that really seems like a bug of some sort? A fresh Squeeze install on an IBM Blade HS21 ? |
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| 18:57.22 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 18:58.09 | Diopter | Night_Elf: Probably of use in a bug report on the project or package it seems relevant to |
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| 18:59.54 | odin573 | my computer keeps caching inodes like crazy, free -m command shows cached size almost as large as my ram, I notice it when my pc starts to hang and I have to issue echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches to fix it |
| 19:00.05 | themill | gp5st: excellent! glad you're sorted |
| 19:00.17 | Night_Elf | Diopter: the first line of the message says: kernel BUG at /tmp/buildd/linux-2.6-2.6.32/debian/build/source_i386_none/mm/slub.c:2969. So I guess that means it belongs to the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package? That is my current kernel. |
| 19:00.20 | odin573 | sometimes it keeps caching after clearing the cache |
| 19:00.49 | Diopter | Night_Elf: Looks promising. Might already be reported. Should google it |
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| 19:01.27 | themill | odin573: it's supposed to do that... is that a problem? |
| 19:01.55 | odin573 | themill: yes because I run out of memory |
| 19:02.12 | odin573 | themill: it seems to never delete it or something |
| 19:02.16 | Diopter | odin573: That's exactly how it's supposed to work, and definitely what you want. You can't run out of memory due to inode caching unless you've manually adjusted some things very badly. |
| 19:02.17 | Night_Elf | Diopter: I will see what I can I do. For some reason I always get confused any time I want to report something that looks like a bug (in my attempts to help as little as I can). I fail miserably at it though. |
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| 19:02.34 | Diopter | odin573: The kernel will automatically drop caches under memory pressure when applications need the RAM. |
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| 19:03.06 | odin573 | Diopter: I don't remember changing anything but I really believe that the kernel is not dropping anything |
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| 19:04.01 | Diopter | odin573: You said you notice it when your "PC starts to hang"; can you elaborate on that? what kind of behavior do you see? Are you getting high load averages? Heavy swapping? |
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| 19:04.25 | Sultanoid | from what i know the kernel uses all ram it can get for caching but frees immediately if ram is needed otherwise (as it should be) - thats at least the nominal behaviour |
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| 19:04.46 | odin573 | Diopter: Gnome stops responding I have to switch to a tty to drop the cache |
| 19:04.49 | Diopter | Sultanoid: That's close enough to right to be a good explanation, yes. |
| 19:04.57 | odin573 | Diopter: and takes a long time to do that |
| 19:05.09 | Diopter | odin573: And *just* dropping the cache, once you manage to succeed at it, solves the problem immediately? |
| 19:05.26 | Sultanoid | Diopter: glad u approve :P |
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| 19:06.28 | odin573 | Diopter: depends, I started copying a virtual image and once I noticed the caching I suspended the process but no luck, it kept caching even after droping it |
| 19:06.38 | odin573 | I can reproduce it if you'd like |
| 19:06.45 | odin573 | tell me what I should be looking for |
| 19:07.06 | abrotman | odin573: are you using gnome3+icewasel+flash ? |
| 19:07.18 | odin573 | gnome3+chrome, no flash |
| 19:07.24 | themill | odin573: if you just change to tty1 and then back without doing anything else does that solve the problem? |
| 19:07.25 | odin573 | *chromium |
| 19:07.30 | abrotman | odin573: well, nevermind then! carry on! |
| 19:07.43 | odin573 | themill: no |
| 19:07.46 | Diopter | odin573: Also, you're only freeing the pagecache by echoing '1'. |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | has been having hellish problems with IW dumping memory contents and locking the box up for a few minutes |
| 19:07.58 | Diopter | odin573: The inode cache isn't freed unless you echo 2 or 3. |
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| 19:08.05 | odin573 | Diopter: man proc says pagecache is 2, 1 is inodes+pagecache |
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| 19:08.29 | Diopter | odin573: Well this http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt says otherwise. And it's what I would trust first :P |
| 19:08.30 | odin573 | Diopter: read it wrong, its actually 1 sorry |
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| 19:09.41 | odin573 | Diopter: i meant 2 T_T, yes I read it the wrong way |
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| 19:10.00 | odin573 | well it gets cleared with 1 |
| 19:10.27 | odin573 | next time it happens should I be looking for something in particular? |
| 19:10.42 | Diopter | odin573: So... try to replicate the issue, and then run 'uptime' to get the loadavg, and 'free' to see if any swap is being used |
| 19:11.03 | odin573 | Diopter: Ill do that just now |
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| 19:11.15 | odin573 | Diopter: as i said, i can reproduce it with ease |
| 19:11.44 | gnat_x | is it normal for iptables-restore to be taking 20 minutes and counting? |
| 19:11.44 | Diopter | odin573: You can also run 'top' and check for processes high on the list, or any in D state, or hit '1' in top to show a per-core breakdown and look for high 'wa' (IO Wait) or 'si' (Soft Interrupts) |
| 19:11.52 | Diopter | gnat_x: Not unless you have 9807283752 rules. |
| 19:12.03 | gnat_x | Diopter: that's what i figured. |
| 19:12.05 | Diopter | gnat_x: You probably locked yourself out of your box by loading the ruleset :) |
| 19:12.22 | Diopter | gnat_x: iptables-apply is safer for that, heh heh |
| 19:12.34 | gnat_x | Diopter: luckily i still have a responsive screen session. |
| 19:12.39 | Diopter | Exciting. |
| 19:12.53 | Diopter | Best check dmesg and syslog and such, see if anything complained |
| 19:12.56 | odin573 | ok, its happening |
| 19:13.00 | odin573 | im swapping |
| 19:13.36 | Diopter | odin573: Tell me what the loadavg and swap usage are with 'uptime' and 'free'. |
| 19:13.37 | odin573 | cursor is locking btw |
| 19:13.56 | odin573 | load average: 2.41, 0.92, 1.45 |
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| 19:14.40 | gnat_x | hrm. E: cannot read /etc/network/iptables |
| 19:14.50 | odin573 | Swap: 4096568 181080 3915488 |
| 19:15.12 | bitHipy | most tools report inaccurate swap usage |
| 19:15.34 | bitHipy | the most accurate swap numbers come from the /proc filespace |
| 19:15.34 | Diopter | bitHipy: Yes, but, it's a decent enough place to start. 181MB used is not a big deal in this case |
| 19:15.54 | Diopter | odin573: I don't think you're getting swapdeath. And I bet your loadavg is still going up, yes? |
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| 19:17.03 | Diopter | odin573: Check top for high numbers on the CPU stats, and tell us what fields if any are high |
| 19:17.28 | Diopter | odin573: Again, it might help to hit '1' to get a per-core breakdown, so higher numbers don't look low by averaging across the cores |
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| 19:22.40 | odin573_ | hello |
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| 19:22.48 | odin573_ | sorry |
| 19:22.50 | odin573_ | froze |
| 19:22.57 | odin573_ | i don't think this is normal |
| 19:23.06 | Sultanoid | does anyone know (per chance) if a more recent wxGTK package is gonna enter SID anytime soon? Or does everybody wait for the 3.0 release? i'm asking because wxGTK 2.9.3 (current release) runs quite stable at least for me.. |
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| 19:24.02 | odin573_ | Diopter: last load average before it froze was 11 7 4 |
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| 19:24.30 | odin573_ | Diopter: and swap was 211mb |
| 19:24.49 | odin573_ | Diopter: but I had to kill the process, I couldnt do anything |
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| 19:25.47 | odin573_ | Diopter: In fact, I got disconnected from the network for a while |
| 19:26.24 | themill | Sultanoid: the wx maintainers like to avoid having 8 different versions of wx in the archive at the same time; unfortunately the wx developers don't really make that very easy. |
| 19:27.36 | Sultanoid | themill: i see. didn't expect anyone to know right here & now, so thx alot pal |
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| 19:28.19 | themill | Sultanoid: I don't know what the exact plans for wx in wheezy are, however. |
| 19:28.25 | Sultanoid | i was asking because of the dramatic improvements in the wxString class..... |
| 19:28.50 | Sultanoid | from what i've heard about wx, the 3.0 is expected to be released this summer... lets see |
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| 19:32.53 | Sultanoid | not that i'm a big fan of wx, but i recently wrote some stuff using a recent wx and then i've learned that everybody (other distros also) is still using the 2.8 version which is like "no way" for me because of that immature string class.. |
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| 19:33.33 | Diopter | odin573_: It's not normal. What did you do tha triggered the behavior, again? |
| 19:34.20 | odin573_ | cloned a hard drive image |
| 19:34.31 | odin573_ | Diopter: using vboxmanage |
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| 19:34.58 | Diopter | odin573_: Do you have enough disk space to store it? What does df show for where you're cloning it to, and how big is the image? |
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| 19:35.47 | odin573_ | Diopter: yes, I have 158G free and the image is 20gb |
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| 19:36.22 | Diopter | odin573_: Absolutely sure the target location has 158G free? Did you check with df? |
| 19:36.50 | odin573_ | yes, rootfs 246G 76G 158G 33% / |
| 19:36.55 | Diopter | kk |
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| 19:37.52 | Diopter | So... a couple things could be happening. Not the least of which being that the vboxdrv kernel module could be wigging out. The kernel devs have a powerful distaste for VirtualBox based on how often it causes freezes and crashes :P |
| 19:38.22 | Diopter | Were you able to check the CPU stats and heavy processes in 'top' during this? |
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| 19:38.42 | odin573_ | yes, but no heavy process |
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| 19:39.05 | odin573_ | Diopter: I'm doing cp over a large file now |
| 19:39.07 | Diopter | And what about CPU cores? |
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| 19:40.12 | odin573_ | Diopter: didn't check |
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| 19:40.24 | Sultanoid | Diopter: "powerful distaste" :D :D |
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| 19:41.09 | Diopter | Sultanoid: Well, they created a new class of tainted just for VirtualBox, "tainted crap" :P |
| 19:41.26 | Diopter | Sultanoid: The code comment for the patch is "vbox is garbage" |
| 19:41.32 | Diopter | :D |
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| 19:42.18 | Sultanoid | sometimes one comes to regret getting involved in maintaining a package huh... |
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| 19:42.42 | odin573_ | Diopter: After doing cp, free -m shows a large number on "cached" |
| 19:42.49 | odin573_ | Diopter: but I believe that's normal? |
| 19:42.51 | Diopter | odin573_: Which it should, yes |
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| 19:43.11 | Diopter | odin573_: Honestly, caching is very unlikely to be your issue. Also, I presume your system hasn't locked up after a large cp |
| 19:43.23 | odin573_ | Diopter: it has not =) |
| 19:43.32 | odin573_ | Diopter: so it's a problem with vbox then |
| 19:43.34 | Diopter | odin573_: If it's specifically locking up while using vboxmanage, I'd be very willing to bet against vboxdrv. Have you upgraded? |
| 19:43.52 | Diopter | If not, might want to upgrade vbox, make sure the modules get rebuilt |
| 19:44.09 | Sultanoid | Diopter: vbox is doing okay on my windows host though... |
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| 19:44.41 | odin573_ | Diopter: I did it this morning, bah the image doesn't work anyways |
| 19:44.46 | Diopter | Sultanoid: yes, well, that's likely quite different code on windows. |
| 19:45.05 | Sultanoid | certainly |
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| 19:45.32 | Sultanoid | i still like vmware better |
| 19:45.42 | odin573_ | Diopter: I didn't even want to use vbox anyways.. but I don't know what's wrong with teachers wanting to do everything in windows |
| 19:45.56 | odin573_ | Sultanoid: tried that too, doesnt work for 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 19:46.08 | odin573_ | Sultanoid: it doesnt build the socks module or something like that |
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| 19:46.28 | Diopter | odin573_: should try virt-manager + qemu-kvm |
| 19:46.51 | odin573_ | Diopter: doesn't work for the hd image I got |
| 19:46.58 | Diopter | odin573_: What format is the image? |
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| 19:47.11 | odin573_ | Diopter: its a vmdk |
| 19:47.18 | odin573_ | Diopter: but split into many pieces |
| 19:47.23 | Sultanoid | odin573_: didnt try it on linux recently; earlier versions ran fine but i didnt use it since like >1 year |
| 19:47.34 | Diopter | odin573_: Elaborate a bit. There's probably a way to convert this thing |
| 19:47.55 | odin573_ | Diopter: of course, using vboxmanage |
| 19:47.56 | trysten | wireless driver issue, perhaps. i've got "06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller" in my lspci. i can't get see any access points on 802.11n |
| 19:47.57 | Diopter | odin573_: qemu-img supports vmdk, for instance |
| 19:48.45 | Diopter | trysten: You might need a firmware package. ls /lib/firmware/b43? |
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| 19:50.15 | trysten | indeed, Diopter. getting firmware initially for this device was quite troublesome |
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| 19:51.43 | Diopter | trysten: Ah, so you believe you have firmware loaded correctly, just can't see APs |
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| 19:53.34 | mattalexx | My new installation is not loading grub, I'm just getting a machine post, then a cursor. What can I do now? |
| 19:54.26 | Sultanoid | mattalexx: booting from the right harddisk? BIOS wise? or installed grub on the right one that was supposed to boot? |
| 19:54.26 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.26 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 19:54.49 | mattalexx | Sultanoid, Yes, it's the right hdd. It's the only one |
| 19:55.04 | Sultanoid | mattalexx: that answers the question :P |
| 19:55.48 | Sultanoid | dpkg: correct, thats what i do if grub leaves me hangin' |
| 19:55.48 | dpkg | Sultanoid: i don't know |
| 19:56.35 | Diopter | You can fix grub more straightforwardly than that... just pick rescue mode at the boot menu |
| 19:56.47 | Sultanoid | if you see a boot menu, that is |
| 19:56.56 | Diopter | Sultanoid: From a Debian install disk |
| 19:57.36 | Sultanoid | ok and boot manually into the system to run grub-install the regular way. point taken |
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| 19:58.32 | Sultanoid | always goot to have a linux CD burned instead of just an ISO somewhere on the harddisk... |
| 19:58.54 | Joshy- | indeed |
| 19:59.18 | Sultanoid | knoppix saved my life more than once i tell ya |
| 19:59.19 | odin573_ | well guys, it was fun, thank you |
| 19:59.24 | Sultanoid | cya |
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| 19:59.30 | odin573_ | byee |
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| 19:59.36 | mmnicolas | goot to boot |
| 20:00.37 | Sultanoid | meanwhile i got a debian stable on USB (console only), with mc, grub and a few rescue utils... maintained since 3 years or so |
| 20:00.55 | Joshy- | mc is awesome |
| 20:01.03 | Sultanoid | the only file manager for me |
| 20:01.43 | Sultanoid | also prevents me from typos using rm */*/* stuff as root instead of hitting F8 and being asked if im sure... |
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| 20:01.50 | Joshy- | it doesnt really like freebsd though |
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| 20:02.06 | Sultanoid | most important parts work for me |
| 20:02.24 | Sultanoid | and i also use it on any desktop because i can't stand any other fm... |
| 20:02.37 | bauhausamba | frequency modulator? |
| 20:02.49 | mmnicolas | file manager |
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| 20:02.51 | Sultanoid | sooo powerful with things like %D/%s and the like |
| 20:02.52 | bauhausamba | ah |
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| 20:03.27 | bauhausamba | I think someone released a novelty file manager recently that resembles, in appearance, the old Amiga 8-bit systems |
| 20:03.44 | valdyn | bauhausamba: theres no amiga 8-bit system |
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| 20:03.49 | bauhausamba | out of nostalgic reasons, perhaps |
| 20:03.57 | Sultanoid | next best fm i know is krusader, but it's shell is only a widget without the % placeholders... |
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| 20:04.08 | Sultanoid | Amiga was 32-bit with 24-bit mem addressing |
| 20:04.25 | bauhausamba | ah, well perhaps an older version |
| 20:04.30 | bauhausamba | not so important |
| 20:04.31 | Sultanoid | C64 huh |
| 20:04.36 | bauhausamba | probably that |
| 20:04.39 | Sultanoid | :) |
| 20:04.47 | Sultanoid | DirOpus anyone? |
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| 20:05.28 | bauhausamba | I do not know Dir0pus! |
| 20:05.51 | bauhausamba | nevertheless: I am having problems with wifi in squeeze, if anyone is able to help address that issue |
| 20:05.53 | Sultanoid | amiga file manager (Directory Opus), highly configurable |
| 20:06.05 | bauhausamba | I will have to look into it! |
| 20:06.27 | Sultanoid | well it was at that time... |
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| 20:07.21 | bauhausamba | well, it is important from a historeical point of view to know on what foundations current programming rests |
| 20:07.36 | Sultanoid | lol right |
| 20:08.13 | Sultanoid | btw, i made a skin for mc that wont pop ur eyes out: https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2737 |
| 20:08.14 | bauhausamba | like with biology vis-a-vis "hard science" |
| 20:08.28 | bauhausamba | mc? |
| 20:08.33 | Sultanoid | midnight commander |
| 20:08.39 | bauhausamba | don't know it |
| 20:08.48 | Diopter | midnight-commander.org has a self-signed cert? neat |
| 20:08.55 | Sultanoid | terminal based file manager, but reeeeeally useful |
| 20:09.16 | bauhausamba | well, clicking, too has its limits! |
| 20:09.39 | Sultanoid | u can navigate easily using keyboard and u got a full command line with placeholders etc |
| 20:09.49 | Sultanoid | its running in the current shell (bash) |
| 20:10.00 | bauhausamba | nice |
| 20:10.07 | Sultanoid | must-have imho |
| 20:10.15 | Sultanoid | if you dont know, give it a try |
| 20:10.15 | bauhausamba | I will check it out |
| 20:10.22 | bauhausamba | yes |
| 20:10.57 | Sultanoid | use the repository for debian on the mc homepage for a more recent version (for debian stable). not required for SID |
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| 20:15.52 | Sultanoid | btw., u can simply check it out using "apt-get install mc" and then run "mc" in a shell |
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| 20:17.16 | robin_debspace | Hello all! Well… Does anyone on here have experience with the tartarus backup script? |
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| 20:18.51 | g00se | I've got a lenny->squeeze update that's stalled. Is it ok to kill it and rerun the upgrade (though i don't see any alternative)? |
| 20:20.15 | Sultanoid | g00se: u made a backup before? |
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| 20:20.55 | g00se | Sultanoid: No |
| 20:21.30 | valdyn | g00se: stalled where? |
| 20:21.34 | g00se | libxdmcp-dev seems to be presenting a problem |
| 20:21.42 | valdyn | g00se: and kill how? |
| 20:21.50 | Sultanoid | wew... i'm not certain if there's a 100% accurate answer to this. i would assume it would be fine to kill & rerun but there might be issues.... |
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| 20:22.17 | g00se | valdyn: i'm running apt over ssh |
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| 20:22.44 | valdyn | g00se: ok, I dont need to know that |
| 20:23.28 | Sultanoid | maybe the connection was reset due to some network service restart? |
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| 20:24.03 | g00se | Sultanoid: poss |
| 20:24.09 | themill | g00se: I still don't know what you mean by "stalled" |
| 20:24.17 | valdyn | g00se: ^^ |
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| 20:24.35 | lapsusbrutus | kioskmode in lxde? or any way to disable posibility to remove panels and stuff? |
| 20:24.40 | g00se | Get: 178 http://ftp.uk.debian.org squeeze/main libxdmcp-dev 1:1.0.3-2 [21.4kB] |
| 20:24.51 | valdyn | g00se: thats no problem at all |
| 20:24.52 | g00se | is repeated ad nauseam |
| 20:24.54 | Sultanoid | what if you establish a second connection and check with top what's running? |
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| 20:25.03 | valdyn | g00se: ctrl-c |
| 20:25.16 | themill | g00se: ahh. In that case, yes, ^C and restart is perfectly safe. |
| 20:25.25 | g00se | valdyn: ok, i'll do that |
| 20:25.26 | themill | g00se: btw is this ssh connection managed by network-manager? |
| 20:25.52 | themill | err.... is the ssh server's network connection managed by network-manager |
| 20:26.25 | jhutchins_wk | g00se: If nothing on the system was important enough to back up, there's nothing to risk by restarting the upgrade except a clean install, so go for it. |
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| 20:27.15 | g00se | themill: i don't think so |
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| 20:27.29 | Sultanoid | g00se: good luck then :P |
| 20:27.49 | Sultanoid | i bet 90:10 it won't hurt |
| 20:27.52 | themill | g00se: ok, just checking. n-m does get restarted during the upgrade and then that's a bad thing for ssh connections. (I assume you're running apt inside screen already ;) |
| 20:28.23 | g00se | i think i'd better run the upgrade on the box itself perhaps? |
| 20:28.33 | g00se | (directly) |
| 20:28.44 | themill | g00se: over ssh is fine too; up to you |
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| 20:29.45 | krion | hi guys |
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| 20:30.02 | g00se | It's actually ground to a halt again in the same place |
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| 20:30.35 | krion | i'm trying to learn how debian's deb package works |
| 20:30.58 | Sultanoid | krion: about what exactly? |
| 20:31.01 | valdyn | g00se: use a different mirror |
| 20:31.08 | themill | krion: man 5 deb it a good place to start then |
| 20:31.13 | krion | so i'm following the maintenance guide for creating package (with dh-make and stuff like that) |
| 20:31.47 | krion | i was wondering if it's best to build package on a testing environnement or on a stable environnemnt |
| 20:31.56 | Sultanoid | krion: that's past my expertise... i better pass.. |
| 20:32.35 | themill | krion: the package has to be built in a clean unstable chroot in the end; if packages can also be built against stable then that's quite handy too. |
| 20:32.45 | krion | because my dh-make create me an almost empty debian/rules for my package (i don't got structure like clean: or binary: which look mandatory) |
| 20:33.05 | krion | themill: hum ok, is testing enough ? |
| 20:33.07 | themill | krion: %: is a wildcard target in there and dh then takes care of that for you |
| 20:33.32 | themill | krion: well, testing is fine for your development work 99% of the time, but you still have to build it in unstable for upload. |
| 20:33.42 | lapsusbrutus | ahh how do I install java from oracle on debian now? (hate oracle but no way around this time) |
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| 20:34.09 | lapsusbrutus | no bin file to download anylonger.. :\ |
| 20:35.20 | krion | themill: sorry but i don't understand... i've a %: but i don't see how and when i would be fullfilled ? |
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| 20:35.22 | themill | lapsusbrutus: grab java-package from wheezy, grab the tar.gz from oracle. mush together appropriately. |
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| 20:35.55 | krion | themill: fyi i'm following this guide http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.fr.html#targets |
| 20:36.13 | themill | krion: any target that is not explicitly listed (like "clean" or "build") will match the % so you end up running "dh clean", "dh build" etc. And then dh does much of the hard work. |
| 20:36.28 | krion | oh ok, got it now |
| 20:36.38 | lapsusbrutus | themill: ok, thanks got it now |
| 20:37.02 | themill | krion: little known feature of Makefiles (ab)used to good effect by debhelper from version 7 onwards. |
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| 20:37.59 | Sultanoid | it's incredible what Makefiles can be used for... |
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| 20:38.39 | Sultanoid | always found Makefiles kinda lovely-ugly |
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| 20:39.53 | krion | themill: oops, it's mentionned in the guide, but i was so shoked that it was empty that i didn't read far enough :) |
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| 20:43.55 | g00se | valdyn: Yes thanks, i'll try something else. |
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| 20:44.21 | Sultanoid | g00se: any success yet? |
| 20:45.11 | g00se | Sultanoid: Well i'm just checking on the backup situation first. I *have* got one but i'm just making sure it'scomplete |
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| 20:45.51 | Sultanoid | g00se: in case of an upgrade problem i always use one of debian's original mirrors instead of some university or some such |
| 20:46.48 | Joshy- | i use rsync for backups |
| 20:46.55 | Joshy- | on a cron |
| 20:46.56 | themill | g00se: ftp.uk.d.o sometimes needs a bit of a kick but normally behaves fine. (seems to be working fine right now) |
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| 20:47.07 | g00se | Yes, but it's ftp.uk.debian.org ;) |
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| 20:47.31 | Sultanoid | g00se: sounds fine to me since it's debian.org |
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| 20:47.55 | themill | g00se: do you have any sort of proxy between you and the mirror? |
| 20:48.13 | Sultanoid | g00se: sometimes external mirrors catch on a few hours later |
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| 20:49.22 | g00se | themill: at some point i was using apt-cacher-ng |
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| 20:49.40 | confusid | I installed sudo and as root ran visudo. I added my name to the sudo file and am able to sue sudo. I thought a group had to be added. Is this not true? |
| 20:50.08 | themill | confusid: "adduser yourusername sudo" then log out and log back in is sufficient |
| 20:50.15 | Joshy- | OpenVPN Access Server really does not like OpenVZ containers, even with the correct devices enabled... |
| 20:50.16 | Sultanoid | confusid: you can specify either a group or a single username |
| 20:50.34 | confusid | themill: so the group has to be on the user to be correct even though it seems to work? |
| 20:51.11 | confusid | ah, then I think the user is what I did. I need to reread the file again. Thank you |
| 20:51.17 | themill | confusid: "sufficient" is different to "necessary". You can do what you have done and configure sudo for one particular user or you can add that user to the "sudo" group which, by default, already has what you want |
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| 20:52.20 | confusid | Ty!! |
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| 21:03.12 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:05.36 | trysten | Diopter: yes! |
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| 21:07.42 | Diopter | trysten: Nice delay there ;P |
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| 21:08.46 | trysten | >.< |
| 21:09.12 | trysten | time. dialation. field. |
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| 21:09.25 | ratatata | nu |
| 21:10.12 | trysten | maybe that's why i can't see the AP's. is there a way to query the module or access via sysfs that can tell me if it is supporting 802.11n AP's? |
| 21:12.49 | Diopter | trysten: Hrm. Maybe. |
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| 21:13.44 | Diopter | trysten: How are you checking for APs? |
| 21:14.26 | Lancien | !wm |
| 21:14.27 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 21:14.40 | Lancien | !mv |
| 21:14.41 | dpkg | it has been said that mv is move, mv, mv, mv, mv, mv, mv, mv, mv, mv |
| 21:14.50 | Lancien | lol |
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| 21:14.55 | Lancien | ok |
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| 21:15.52 | miangida | !list |
| 21:15.52 | dpkg | miangida: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 21:16.04 | Sultanoid | ^^ thats how i switched to the "slim" wm |
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| 21:19.10 | ectospasm | anyone have experience with midnight commander here? I'm having trouble getting mc 4.7.0.9 on squeeze to recognize my filetype. |
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| 21:20.13 | streuner_ | that isnt an issue about mc |
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| 21:20.31 | lapsusbrutus | any way to lock panels in lxde? anyone knows? |
| 21:20.32 | streuner_ | more a kernel thingie... |
| 21:20.49 | streuner_ | ectospasm: what kind of FS? |
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| 21:21.56 | streuner_ | ectospasm: mc isnt care about FS as long as its supported... |
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| 21:22.07 | rhago | hi, I want to move files from one folder to another using the terminal, but watch the progress at the same time, (maybe even MB/s) is that possible? |
| 21:22.14 | Sultanoid | ectospasm: what filetype? see mc.ext? |
| 21:22.31 | ectospasm | Sultanoid: see http://paste.debian.net/166747/ |
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| 21:22.40 | yazdmich | how do i get urxvt to copy to the system clipboard then for that to be available to a WINE app? |
| 21:22.49 | Sultanoid | rhago: use mc :) |
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| 21:22.57 | rhago | what is mc? |
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| 21:23.05 | ectospasm | rhago: midnight commander |
| 21:23.07 | streuner_ | judd, info mc |
| 21:23.08 | judd | Package mc (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager. Version: 3:4.7.0.9-1; Size: 2122.4k; Installed: 6448k; Homepage: http://www.midnight-commander.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mc |
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| 21:23.44 | rhago | thanks Ill look it up |
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| 21:23.58 | streuner_ | rhago: based on norton commander |
| 21:24.04 | Sultanoid | rhago: apt-get install mc |
| 21:24.06 | ectospasm | I still don't see how mc could help paste text into a WINE app. |
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| 21:24.17 | ectospasm | ...but then again, I'm now just learning mc |
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| 21:24.48 | streuner_ | you dont need to, mc is like norton commander, pretty easy... |
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| 21:25.00 | krion | is it normal than override_dh_auto_configure: add but doesn't replace arge to dh_auto_configure ? |
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| 21:25.04 | Sultanoid | ectospasm: me too, i must pass when it comes to regex'es...... |
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| 21:25.19 | krion | verbose output show me then two --syscondir args |
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| 21:25.34 | ectospasm | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/166747/ << is something wrong with my regex? It doesn't look incorrect to me |
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| 21:26.02 | ectospasm | of course, I can't use the 'type' specifier, because file %f on an .xoj returns just a gzipped file. |
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| 21:30.10 | krion | when i dpkg-buildpackage it add an incorrect --build= arguments |
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| 21:30.33 | krion | is it the correct way to recreate the entire dh_auto_configure ? |
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| 21:38.01 | g00se | I decided to change ftp.uk.debian.org to ftp.nl.debian.org and the upgrade is still stuck at libxdmcp-dev ?? |
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| 21:41.53 | bardzusny | g00se: sid? |
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| 21:42.47 | g00se | bardzusny: lenny->squeeze |
| 21:42.55 | Diopter | g00se: Elaborate on 'stuck' |
| 21:43.08 | g00se | Get: 178 http://ftp.uk.debian.org squeeze/main libxdmcp-dev 1:1.0.3-2 [21.4kB] |
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| 21:43.15 | g00se | is repeated ad nauseam |
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| 21:43.43 | Sultanoid | g00se: maybe you want to skip that package until the rest is complete and then take care about that one package? i mean, its a -dev package, so it shouldnt affect the upgrade too much for now? |
| 21:44.06 | bardzusny | g00se: this is rather rhetoric, but of course you ran apt-get/aptitude update? |
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| 21:44.42 | g00se | I'm running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-686 udev |
| 21:44.45 | Sultanoid | ...or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:45.14 | g00se | afaik that's what the factoid recommends |
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| 21:46.02 | g00se | Sultanoid: not sure how i can skip that at the mo |
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| 21:46.51 | Sultanoid | when i upgrade from stable to the next stable, i usually run apt-get update, then i upgrade apt-get itself first, then the rest of the system. and by skipping i mean, nailing the current package version, dunno exactly what the command was |
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| 21:47.18 | g00se | This couldn't be anything to do with apt-cacher-ng could it? |
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| 21:47.40 | Sultanoid | you know, "lock/sticky" a package so it wont be upgraded |
| 21:48.06 | Diopter | g00se: why are you not running apt-get dist-upgrade? You're changing distributions |
| 21:48.11 | Sultanoid | i don't even remember the correct term lol |
| 21:48.16 | g00se | Sultanoid: Hmm yes. |
| 21:48.35 | g00se | Diopter: That was what the factoid recommended |
| 21:48.59 | Sultanoid | or maybe uninstall the package if it doesnt have rdepends? then install it later when done with the rest? |
| 21:49.13 | Diopter | g00se: dist-upgrade handles changing deps with new package versions more intelligently. Try dist-upgrading instead of just upgrade. |
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| 21:50.10 | Sultanoid | and yes, always dist-upgrade... i use that for stable, unstable, distribution upgrades, everything. |
| 21:50.27 | g00se | Blush - i think i misread the factoid |
| 21:52.34 | themill | g00se: none of this is going to change whether you can download that package though. Can you try it with something like wget to see what happens? |
| 21:53.14 | g00se | themill: yes, 1 sec |
| 21:53.40 | Sultanoid | for me that's the biggest Debian riddle of all... use apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade and in which cases exactly... i always use apt-get dist-upgrade for everything but im never really sure if it's always the 100% right thing to do haha |
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| 21:54.04 | Sultanoid | googled my ass off for years still not knowing :) |
| 21:54.04 | g00se | I now see the point in the factoid. I need to ensure that the kernel is >= 2.6.32 before dist-upgrade |
| 21:54.24 | Diopter | themill: It might not exist in the squeeze pool, though. My theory is that some improper dependency mapping with other newer packages thinks it needs it still, when it likely does not. |
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| 21:54.32 | themill | Diopter: it does |
| 21:54.53 | jhutchins_wk | Sultanoid: It works. THere's more than one solution. aptitude looks a little deeper for dependencies, which is why it wasn't recommended for lenny->squeeze, there were cases where it would loop. |
| 21:55.12 | jhutchins_wk | apt-get doesn't have the menu mode. |
| 21:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | Sultanoid: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 21:56.12 | Sultanoid | jhutchins yes the menu mode, but what about the algorythm which decides about the exact action in a complex upgrade... never figured which of the two was doing a better job... |
| 21:56.28 | Diopter | themill: -shrug- I didn't bother looking. More power to you, then. |
| 21:56.36 | Sultanoid | ...and why these two are never merged into one... -> library |
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| 21:57.15 | themill | Sultanoid: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
| 21:57.57 | g00se | According to debfoster: The following 2 packages on keeper list rely on libxdmcp-dev: netbeans-ide xfce4-mcs-manager-dev |
| 21:58.42 | Sultanoid | some day there will be a "grand unified debian lib" which deals with the issue, apt-get and aptitude then only calling the functions.... about to be introduced in 2020 or so :P |
| 21:59.13 | themill | Sultanoid: libapt already exists; that doesn't mean that aptitude can't experiment with improving that dependency handler though |
| 21:59.26 | Sultanoid | g00se: ouch, never easy huh |
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| 22:00.03 | themill | g00se: at this stage, I'd try (a) downloading the deb and sticking it in /var/cache/apt/archives and if that doesn't work, (b) ripping that package out and let apt keep going |
| 22:00.15 | Sultanoid | g00se: debfoster, good choice. never understood why debfoster isn't part of the debian core system |
| 22:00.39 | themill | g00se: fyi netbeans-ide is not in squeeze so you're going to need to figure something out there |
| 22:00.59 | themill | Sultanoid: because many other people would scream that it was "bloat" if it were added. |
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| 22:01.04 | Sultanoid | g00se: now it gets really interesting |
| 22:01.40 | Sultanoid | themill: bloat is... wamerican, bc, dc... |
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| 22:01.48 | g00se | themill: it looks like aptitude install is going to install it |
| 22:01.57 | Sultanoid | debfoster keeps the garden clean |
| 22:02.20 | g00se | themill: netbeans can go - it's c..p anyway ;) |
| 22:02.42 | Sultanoid | in fact, debfoster is THE bloat stopper for debian.. |
| 22:02.46 | themill | Sultanoid: apt already does much of what deborphan and debfoster did anyway |
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| 22:03.12 | Sultanoid | themill: i had issues with deborphan, sometimes it lists packages which should not be removed |
| 22:03.22 | Sultanoid | not using deborphan again.. |
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| 22:03.43 | themill | debfoster tends to be much more aggressive about that than deborphan, actually |
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| 22:04.30 | Sultanoid | themill: but i never had it suggest removals which were not in order, deborphan reported packages which broke the dep tree after removing |
| 22:06.04 | g00se | Netbeans purged |
| 22:06.21 | g00se | Shall i just aptitude install libxdmcp-dev ? |
| 22:07.01 | Sultanoid | g00se: is the rest of the upgrade finished? |
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| 22:07.05 | themill | g00se: downloading it in to the apt cache and then letting apt install it when it wants would be better |
| 22:08.00 | g00se | themill: so apt-get download? |
| 22:08.31 | themill | g00se: try that first, but if you have some funny cache in the road that's a problem the wget might be better |
| 22:09.47 | Sultanoid | themill: to finalize the topic, i never consider a small but useful package management util as bloat. but what's real madness is apt-xapian-index... omg... got it uninstalled on all my debians and im not looking back.. |
| 22:10.39 | themill | axi-cache search is excellent |
| 22:10.42 | g00se | themill: ok aptitude download libxdmcp-dev isn't playing ball. Looks like wget |
| 22:11.20 | Sultanoid | themill: yes but the install size and the system load after each apt-get update... as it was introduced, ppl with low-end machines were crying... |
| 22:12.30 | g00se | themill: wget has no problem from my current mirror |
| 22:12.30 | themill | Sultanoid: debian is flexible but it is not supposed to be the lowest common denominator. You are free to remove packages as well as to add them. Holding the rest of the world back so that a wrist watch can run Debian is silly. |
| 22:13.05 | Sultanoid | themill: ppl burst into tears because some debian dev with octacore forgot to set a good nice value for the index rebuild... :P |
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| 22:13.12 | themill | g00se: time to fix that cache of yours then.... |
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| 22:13.45 | themill | Sultanoid: bugs happen |
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| 22:14.26 | Sultanoid | themill: no pun intended... debian is the greatest distro out there |
| 22:14.30 | craigevil | no issues with apt-xapian-index on this ancient Thinkpad with Intel Pentium M 1.3 , Synaptic is a bit slow to load but thats it |
| 22:14.54 | g00se | themill: Yes, but i'm not sure where to start... |
| 22:15.26 | themill | g00se: does it keep logs? is its disk full? |
| 22:15.31 | Sultanoid | i read about ppl with 500 MHz or lower who had freezes of several minutes, just when they had something important to do... but that issue has been fixed meanwhile |
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| 22:17.44 | g00se | themill: i used the big stick - stopped the daemon |
| 22:18.08 | Sultanoid | g00se: yeah show em who's daddy |
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| 22:28.47 | g00se | This (i hope) is now looking much healthier, after stopping apt-cacher-ng and using aptitude as i normally do. Anyone see anything bad here? |
| 22:28.51 | g00se | http://paste.ubuntu.com/958654/ |
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| 22:31.00 | TheWarden | Where does one add a bash prompt change system wide? Is it in the /etc/bash.bashrc or in /etc/profile.d/somename.sh ? |
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| 22:33.00 | jordanm | TheWarden: /etc/bash.bashrc overrides the one in /etc/profile |
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| 22:33.44 | themill | g00se: apt-get dist-upgrade should be able to do the entire thing in one step with no kept-back packages. That said, there's nothing wrong with what you've pastebinned. |
| 22:33.46 | TheWarden | jordanm: oh really, so what is the benefits or reason to use /etc/profile.d/? |
| 22:34.02 | jordanm | TheWarden: /etc/profile is sourced for all shells, not just bash |
| 22:34.02 | twobitsprite | why can't I find any straightforward examples of how to add pam_tally to my PAM config? I tried just adding "auth required pam_tally.so deny=5" and it broke my authentication... |
| 22:34.42 | TheWarden | jordanm: ahh ok, so if I did put a file in there it would load it as long as nothing overrides it in /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 22:34.42 | krion | upgrading to testing... |
| 22:35.07 | g00se | themill: Thanks for checking. Actually (not visible in that) i think the big prob is that i'm not running the right kernel (per factoid) |
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| 22:36.02 | g00se | Therefore i've now done aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 udev |
| 22:36.26 | themill | g00se: oh sorry -- you're doing lenny->squeeze not squeeze->wheezy, aren't you? Yes, do that as a multistep process. Use apt-get not aptitude. |
| 22:36.27 | jordanm | TheWarden: really, I don't see anything that sources files in that directory |
| 22:36.39 | jordanm | TheWarden: its not standard |
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| 22:37.31 | Xunie | Any word on how long it's gonna take before 6.0 will get Linux 3.0? |
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| 22:37.49 | jordanm | Xunie: it has 3.2 in backports |
| 22:37.59 | g00se | themill: yes i am. OK, i've been using aptitude but i have come to dist-upgrade yet |
| 22:38.06 | jordanm | 6.0 will never have anything other than 3.2 as the default |
| 22:38.10 | jordanm | err |
| 22:38.11 | jordanm | .32 |
| 22:38.16 | g00se | /s/have/haven't |
| 22:39.02 | Xunie | jordanm, well, 3.x should be fine. :P |
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| 22:39.40 | twobitsprite | anyone here using pam_tally mind sharing their common_auth and common_account files? |
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| 22:46.43 | TheWarden | jordanm: okay thanks. |
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| 23:00.36 | g00se | 'Need to get 1296MB/1455MB of archives'. What exactly does that mean? |
| 23:00.51 | n-iCe | g00se: will get the size in files |
| 23:01.07 | g00se | Why two values? |
| 23:01.13 | internat | because you already have some of it |
| 23:01.15 | benvei | g00se, that you need to get 1455 MB of files |
| 23:01.28 | g00se | Ah ok. Thanks |
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| 23:01.34 | benvei | g00se, [allready downloadet / to download ] |
| 23:01.40 | internat | to do whatever youve asked needs 1455mb worth of packages.. you need to download 1296 |
| 23:02.25 | nvz | 1296 packages sounds like a desktop install or upgrade |
| 23:02.25 | g00se | Right, so the forward slash means 'out of' |
| 23:02.38 | g00se | nvz: dist-upgrade |
| 23:03.09 | g00se | lenny->squeeze |
| 23:03.33 | nvz | figured as much.. I for one expect wheezy within the next few months.. will be time to do it all again |
| 23:03.35 | krion | themill: as we talk earlier, if i create my package on a testing or sid environnement, it's supposed to work on stable ? |
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| 23:04.02 | nvz | krion: if you built it against sid libraries it very well may not |
| 23:04.19 | themill | krion: probably not. If you want it to work on stable, you need to at least rebuild it for stable -- you may also need to make changes to allow it to work on stable. |
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| 23:11.30 | aussa | Hi, I was wondering if there is a config file for plugged mouses? |
| 23:11.34 | g00se | Thanks for the help guys. Going to leave the dist-upgrade running overnight and hope not to wake up in Borkedville |
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| 23:11.52 | pulseaudiouser | anyone know how to fix debian server not displaying anything on a monitor after the first few kernel bootup commands? |
| 23:12.55 | dvs | g00se: overnight? |
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| 23:13.18 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: sounds like an improperly configured framebuffer.. could try things like nofb, vga=normal etc.. |
| 23:13.26 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: is it nvidia graphics? |
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| 23:14.39 | krion | when i create my package with a default debian/ created by dh_make, it try to pass to --configure an unknown option --build=x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 23:14.39 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: not sure, its a dell computer, i believe it probably is, the debian recovery mode starts terminal fine, but not in regular mode |
| 23:15.20 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: its like debian server puts the monitor in sleep or no signal mode right away after the first few debian kernel startup messages / commands |
| 23:15.29 | krion | since override_dh_auto_configure adds more option to --configure, i cannot remove it |
| 23:15.36 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: well if you're not sure, and it is. .then youre probably using the built in noveau driver.. installing nvidia drivers would also resolve the issue most likely |
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| 23:16.06 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: when you say recovery you mean the option in grub? |
| 23:16.08 | aussa | hi, when using an external mouse, I can't move it while pressing a key... is there a file to fix/ configure that? |
| 23:16.13 | krion | i was wondering, 1) if it's possible to remove the --build option and 2) the behaviour of override looks strange to my mind... |
| 23:16.28 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: well, it would be, but grub failed installation, but lilo succeeded |
| 23:16.51 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: but its the bootloader entry the installer made for you, you are referring to? |
| 23:17.25 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: i guess, i tried it with debian recovery mode, and wanted to install this mode, i am guessing maybe it is the framebuffer, i'll have to try to ssh, just installed the system |
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| 23:18.30 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: its almost certainly the framebuffer.. especially if the recovery boot entry which if I recall correctly tells it to boot with the kernel param "all_generic" works |
| 23:18.52 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: using the kernel options nofb and or vga=normal should resolve the issue |
| 23:19.06 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: in fact, all linux distros have failed except for slackware variant (salix); can i set this if i reinstall the system? |
| 23:19.33 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: there is no need to resintall, just need to issue the command at the bootloader screen before you boot it |
| 23:19.48 | nvz | pulseaudiouser: then once you're in, you reconfigure the bootloader to do it that way |
| 23:20.22 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: okay, i am at the lilo boot screen with the "boot: _", what should i type in? |
| 23:20.45 | nvz | uh.. idk.. haven't used lilo in ages.. tab maybe.. not sure |
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| 23:21.04 | nvz | some way or another you should be able to edit the kernel command line |
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| 23:21.19 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: tab brought up another "boot: _" one vertical line down |
| 23:21.44 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: debian came with lilo 22.x |
| 23:22.57 | nvz | I have no idea and I'm on my way out the door, if one of the other thousand people in here can't tell you how to change a kernel commnad line with lilo, then they're about useless.. heh |
| 23:23.18 | pulseaudiouser | nvz: thanks for your help; have a great day; anyone else know lilo to startup debian? |
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| 23:24.23 | robin_debspace | Hey all… Just one quick question, is there a command I can use in conjunction with another command in order to see how long that command took to run? |
| 23:25.10 | dvs | robin_debspace: give me some _time_ and i'll find an answer |
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| 23:26.17 | robin_debspace | dvs: Oh, thanks a lot! I'd like to execute a command to make a full backup of my server and would like to use something which will let me determine how long the backup actually took, so I'm looking for something like that. |
| 23:26.56 | dvs | robin_debspace: So you can do the whole backup with one command/ |
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| 23:28.40 | pulseaudiouser | robin_debspace: can you type time <command>? |
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| 23:29.38 | robin_debspace | dvs: yes, the backup is done through a script which I can call with just one command... |
| 23:30.00 | robin_debspace | pulseaudiouser: Hmmm, will try that! :-) |
| 23:30.01 | pulseaudiouser | robin_debspace: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=32825 |
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| 23:30.48 | _niCe_ | hi, got a problem, i'm running a server and it is now being DoSed, has anyone got an idea what i could do? |
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| 23:31.09 | divbell | fire back! |
| 23:31.54 | _niCe_ | i haven't got an idea who it is |
| 23:31.59 | tharkun | Who is to be bugged to fix the dpkg factoid of fail2ban bug #573314 seems to be fixed over a year ago. |
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| 23:32.41 | divbell | _niCe_, how did you determine you are being DoSed? |
| 23:33.06 | _niCe_ | timeouts and reports vom the IDS of my provider |
| 23:33.09 | robin_debspace | pulseaudiouser: Thx! Will have a look :-) |
| 23:33.10 | divbell | affixes a dosimeter to his lab jacket |
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| 23:33.52 | robin_debspace | _niCe_: Are the attacks coming from one or several IP addresses? |
| 23:34.00 | divbell | if it's a small set of IPs or networks |
| 23:34.04 | divbell | filter them |
| 23:34.06 | pulseaudiouser | _niCe_: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-885875.html |
| 23:34.25 | _niCe_ | rovin_debspace several IPs |
| 23:34.33 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: you can fix it yourself, actually... but it's fixed now. |
| 23:34.50 | pulseaudiouser | anyone, I am at the lilo bootup screen and need to disable framebuffer, how do I change a kernel commnad line at the lilo bootup screen? |
| 23:34.55 | divbell | _niCe_, what services are they targeting? |
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| 23:35.10 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks. For fixing it. What would be the factoid to learn how to edit stuff on the bot? |
| 23:35.27 | _niCe_ | i don't know atm cause i can't reach my IDS that i was just installing >.< |
| 23:35.47 | divbell | come back when you've thought this through ;) |
| 23:36.16 | _niCe_ | added a 'iptables -A INPUT -d [IP] -j DROP' |
| 23:36.32 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: nvm i found it :) |
| 23:36.33 | _niCe_ | well it's running now 30 min |
| 23:39.05 | pulseaudiouser | anyone with my lilo debian question? |
| 23:39.42 | divbell | isn't that a grub feature? |
| 23:39.59 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone used kioskmode in xfce? kioskrc config on [xfce4-panel] is: CustomizePanel=NONE, Still anybody can remove things on panels, and even panels. anyone used this? |
| 23:40.13 | pulseaudiouser | divbell: no, lilo is an alternative boot loader that comes with debian, the grub i tried to install failed, but lilo succeeded |
| 23:40.14 | cusco | !tell pulseaudiouser about fb |
| 23:40.19 | divbell | tab |
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| 23:40.36 | cusco | fb=false |
| 23:40.37 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: i know its the framebuffer, but how do i disable it from the lilo boot-up at "boot: _"? |
| 23:40.41 | divbell | when you see the lilo prompt, smash tab |
| 23:40.51 | divbell | or you may have to hold down alt+shift prior to the lilo prompt |
| 23:40.59 | pulseaudiouser | divbell: tab brings down another "boot: _" |
| 23:41.05 | divbell | now you have to read! |
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| 23:41.22 | cusco | linux fb=false |
| 23:41.37 | divbell | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html |
| 23:42.16 | dizzylizzy | how can I get a list of installed packages from apt? |
| 23:42.34 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: i know thats the command, but typing that in "boot: fb=false" yields "No such image." error |
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| 23:43.02 | divbell | type linux |
| 23:43.09 | divbell | boot: linux fb=false |
| 23:43.17 | divbell | if that's what truly disables fb, never tried |
| 23:43.24 | divbell | dizzylizzy, how about dpkg -l? |
| 23:43.43 | dizzylizzy | ahaa thank you, I knew about -L but not -l |
| 23:43.46 | pulseaudiouser | divbell: that did it, it boot fine, but debian server didn't load, the monitor still turned off |
| 23:43.54 | themill | dpkg: tell dizzylizzy about installed |
| 23:43.59 | dizzylizzy | I kept looking through the aptitude and apt-cache man pages, never thought to do dpkg. thanks |
| 23:44.08 | divbell | dpkg: tell divbell about installed |
| 23:44.19 | cusco | pulseaudiouser: with 'linux fb=false' ? |
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| 23:44.44 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: correct, it booted, but after about 5 kernel commands during startup, the monitor lost signal and i cannot get to any tty |
| 23:45.04 | cusco | what was the last line you say? |
| 23:45.06 | cusco | saw? |
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| 23:45.34 | cusco | pulseaudiouser: try again this time like: 'linux "video=vga16:off"' |
| 23:45.46 | boston8372 | should a id_dsa.pub have a fqdn in it ? |
| 23:45.53 | cusco | (that is all in dpkg's message btw) |
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| 23:46.14 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: trying that command, its booting now, but still didn't fix it, the last command was some "Driver" error |
| 23:46.29 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: it went by in ms, hard to get it all down |
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| 23:47.41 | cusco | pulseaudiouser: the latter? "video=vga16:off" ? |
| 23:48.02 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: correct, same error; i am using the onboard videocard on a 2005 HP computer |
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| 23:48.30 | cusco | and why do you say fb is your problem? |
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| 23:48.46 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: above it was suggested before you started helping me; the gentleman had to leave though |
| 23:49.32 | cusco | the name of the driver that is erroring out would be most helpfull, if the problem lies there |
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| 23:50.12 | cusco | can you boot in sigle user mode? |
| 23:50.25 | cusco | accessing the system? |
| 23:50.33 | cusco | (I just read nvs's messages) |
| 23:50.39 | cusco | nvz |
| 23:50.50 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: Driver 'pcspkr'; I have no way of accessing the system, tried to install debian from scratch twice with this same issue |
| 23:51.09 | cusco | ok |
| 23:51.16 | cusco | pcspkr is not the problem |
| 23:51.33 | cusco | nvz also mentioned options 'nofb' and 'vga=normal' |
| 23:51.37 | cusco | try those please |
| 23:51.42 | cusco | as: 'linux nofb' |
| 23:51.47 | cusco | and 'linux vga=normal' |
| 23:51.58 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: trying those (2) commands now, one min |
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| 23:52.56 | cusco | ok |
| 23:52.56 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: quickly saw an nForce2 error, linux nofb yields same issue, trying second command |
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| 23:53.44 | Blue1 | where can I get to codecs to play mp3's? |
| 23:53.59 | Blue1 | !mp3 |
| 23:54.00 | dpkg | MPEG-2 Audio Layer III (MP3) is a patented digital audio encoding format utilizing lossy data compression. See also <lame>, <vorbis>. |
| 23:54.01 | cusco | perhaps a dkms issue? |
| 23:54.10 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: same error with the vga=normal |
| 23:54.32 | cusco | hold |
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| 23:55.05 | somiaj | seems 'vbeinfo' should tell you what video modes you have |
| 23:55.05 | cusco | to disable dkms try 'nomodeset' pulseaudiouser |
| 23:55.09 | cusco | no sure if that is it |
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| 23:55.26 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: so the command will be "linux nomodeset"? |
| 23:55.31 | cusco | in lilo, somiaj ? |
| 23:55.35 | cusco | yes pulseaudiouser |
| 23:55.48 | craigevil | !KMS |
| 23:55.49 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 23:56.34 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: that fixed it, what caused it? |
| 23:56.42 | cusco | what dpkg just said |
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| 23:56.56 | cusco | a issue with your gfx card driver? |
| 23:57.27 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: since I am in my OS, is there a way to perm write that in the lilo config? |
| 23:57.31 | somiaj | cusco: no this is grub...not use to people still using lilo...(: |
| 23:57.46 | Blue1 | where can get the codecs to play mp3 files? |
| 23:58.02 | cusco | pulseaudiouser: will you need to boot Xorg in there? |
| 23:58.05 | bardzusny | Blue1: what player are you trying to use? |
| 23:58.11 | somiaj | Blue1: you don't really need codecs to play mp3 files. there are many players that play them. |
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| 23:58.41 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: i can live without X |
| 23:58.50 | bardzusny | mplayer, moc, vlc - three off the bat |
| 23:58.53 | cusco | good answer :) |
| 23:59.17 | cusco | pulseaudiouser: however, I don't know my way arround lilo. there should be some config file in /etx/lilo* |
| 23:59.21 | cusco | /etc/lilo |
| 23:59.23 | cusco | or so |
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| 23:59.55 | cusco | you should there find a option do pass values to the linux boot option |
