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| 00:00.31 | cusco | this is not right tho, and I would insist of fixing the kms on the driver ... you should persue this isse further |
| 00:00.36 | cusco | perhaps ask at a different time |
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| 00:01.43 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: maybe i'll open a bug ticket up asking how to attach the proper debuging files to kms; i found the /etc/lilo.conf and will add that command to append="quiet nomodeset" |
| 00:02.21 | cusco | that seems right in lilo |
| 00:02.44 | cusco | it should be related to your nvidia driver.. is it nouveau or nvidia? |
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| 00:03.21 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: i believe i'll have to install lshw first :) |
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| 00:03.46 | cusco | you obviously have a nvidia nforce |
| 00:03.47 | somiaj | lspci is usually there by default and is sometimes useful, but yes lshw is not installed by default |
| 00:03.48 | cusco | 2 |
| 00:03.49 | cusco | or so |
| 00:04.06 | cusco | so its the nvidia driver |
| 00:04.23 | pulseaudiouser | somiaj: i believe it is an onboard video card, so no lspci should pick it up |
| 00:04.31 | cusco | check old syslog and old dmesg in /var/log/syslog.1 |
| 00:04.40 | cusco | or .2 or whatever time you booted with problem |
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| 00:05.12 | pulseaudiouser | somiaj: i was wrong; nVidia GeForce 6150 LE onboard (rev a2) |
| 00:05.46 | pulseaudiouser | somiaj: on the motherboard = onboard |
| 00:05.46 | somiaj | just because it is onboard, it still uses the pci bus |
| 00:06.54 | cusco | you were probably using nouveau |
| 00:07.12 | cusco | you could try the alternative driver |
| 00:07.34 | pulseaudiouser | cusco: sure, what is the package to install via apt-get? |
| 00:07.38 | somiaj | don't you still need linux-firmware-nonfree for nouveau because I thought it linked against a binary blob ripped form the chipsets. |
| 00:07.59 | somiaj | !tell pulseaudiouser about nvidia dkms |
| 00:08.02 | somiaj | that is for the offical drivers |
| 00:08.11 | cusco | pulseaudiouser: that may be out of my league |
| 00:08.12 | somiaj | well offical non-free nvidia drivers |
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| 00:08.33 | cusco | try that and fon't forget blacklisting nouveau |
| 00:08.48 | pulseaudiouser | somiaj: i'd rather use free X or no X; thanks for the link/info for the non-free nvidia drivers |
| 00:09.16 | cusco | is this about X? |
| 00:09.24 | cusco | you can always boot it with vesa... lol |
| 00:09.40 | somiaj | or use the older nv over nouveau, you won't get any 3d acceleration |
| 00:10.05 | cusco | or that |
| 00:10.32 | somiaj | pulseaudiouser: no problem, I personally think the non-free drivers work fine. But I really can't htink of anyway to get nice 3d acceleration with out using nonfree (even the radeon free driver requires non-free firmware for the 3d acceleration) |
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| 00:15.26 | pulseaudiouser | cusco, somiaj: thanks for your help, i'll try to fix the system from here (since I am now in the system :) thank you both for your work |
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| 00:19.02 | dokma | how do I boot an image only once with the new grub? |
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| 00:19.15 | bauhausniebuhr | test |
| 00:19.41 | dondelelcaro | dokma: depends on what you mean by that. grub2 supports default-saved and similar things |
| 00:19.55 | somiaj | dokma: grub-reboot foo where foo = number in the list will reboot with that option next |
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| 00:20.01 | dokma | dondelelcaro: I have an image that boots by default |
| 00:20.06 | dokma | I've installed one more |
| 00:20.21 | dokma | now I'd like grub to try to boot the new one only on the next reboot |
| 00:20.35 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubReboot |
| 00:20.36 | dokma | somiaj: how about on the reboot after that? |
| 00:20.39 | bauhausniebuhr | I'm still experiencing problems with iwl3945 in squeeze with a 32-5 build. I've got access to and acknowledgement of the network, yet no traffic (*no lease); should I simply manually configure an IP? I can tell I am close to a working network -- a last brick wall, it seems |
| 00:20.47 | somiaj | dokma: it then reverts back to the default |
| 00:21.00 | dokma | somiaj: that's exactly what I was looking for |
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| 00:21.14 | dokma | somiaj: and I couldn't find anything googling grub boot only once |
| 00:21.24 | yates | does the debian installer support LVM partitioning? |
| 00:21.29 | somiaj | dokma: that was the second link in google 'grub set next boot' |
| 00:21.39 | tharkun | yates: yes it does |
| 00:22.25 | dokma | somiaj: I was thinking differently ... |
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| 00:22.32 | dokma | somiaj: just wordplay |
| 00:22.34 | somiaj | dokma: your googlefoo is weak. (: |
| 00:22.42 | dokma | yup |
| 00:22.51 | dokma | may the force be with me |
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| 00:23.21 | yates | so "squeeze" is the stable version of debian? |
| 00:23.31 | bauhausniebuhr | yes |
| 00:23.31 | tharkun | For the time beeing |
| 00:23.46 | bauhausniebuhr | before it was, what, lenny? |
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| 00:24.01 | jordanm | !release history |
| 00:24.02 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 00:24.13 | bauhausniebuhr | potato, lol |
| 00:24.24 | yates | when is Wheezy coming? |
| 00:24.25 | bauhausniebuhr | does anyone have experience with iwl3945, or the legacy drivers? |
| 00:24.33 | bauhausniebuhr | when it's done |
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| 00:25.18 | yates | does debian have rolling upgrades? |
| 00:25.23 | somiaj | yates: I expect the freeze near the end of this year. After that how ever long it takes to fix all the serious bugs that prevent the release. |
| 00:25.37 | yates | somiaj: thank you. |
| 00:25.51 | somiaj | yates: debian doesn't have a rolling release yet (there is talk about this, aka debian cut) but I don't think any major effort will be put twoards it until after wheezy is released |
| 00:26.12 | somiaj | you can use testing or unstable as moving targets but they are not releases and have been known to take out systems on upgrades |
| 00:26.20 | yates | right. |
| 00:26.43 | yates | where can i find the current kernel version for squeeze? |
| 00:27.15 | somiaj | it is and always will be 2.6.32 (it is a frozen system) but it contains all securtiy fixes backported |
| 00:27.25 | somiaj | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32 |
| 00:27.26 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6.32' was found in i386. |
| 00:27.31 | somiaj | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32-i386 |
| 00:27.32 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-i386' was found in i386. |
| 00:27.50 | somiaj | ,versions linux-2.6-i386 |
| 00:27.51 | judd | No package named 'linux-2.6-i386' was found in i386. |
| 00:27.55 | dokma | what happens when we run out of cartoon caracters? |
| 00:28.02 | somiaj | yates: bah, check packages.debian.org (I can't recall the meta package name) |
| 00:28.08 | yates | somiaj: i see. |
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| 00:28.36 | somiaj | dokma: hopefully teh greed of disney will release new toy story sequals with new characters faster than debian needs new names |
| 00:29.26 | bauhausniebuhr | well, OSHA uses roman letters |
| 00:29.46 | bauhausniebuhr | and, when they run out of those, Greek letters are emplyed |
| 00:30.08 | dokma | somiaj: I thought there was only one sequel... don't watch TV at all |
| 00:30.12 | bauhausniebuhr | I don't know if there've ever been more hurricanes than there are letters in those two alphabets |
| 00:30.26 | bauhausniebuhr | hurricanes = hurricanes in one season |
| 00:30.43 | yates | what kernel does wheezy use? |
| 00:31.02 | somiaj | dokma: they are movies, but toystory 3 was a movie a year or two ago |
| 00:31.04 | yates | i'm looking in the packages for it, but don't see a kernel version. |
| 00:31.21 | somiaj | yates: you can actually get a 3.2 kernel for squeeze from squeeze-backports |
| 00:31.39 | somiaj | wheezy will release with what ever is the major kernel at the time of the freeze, right now it has 3.2 in it, I assume 3.3. will make it soon |
| 00:32.03 | dokma | somiaj: funny ... no matter what I put after grub-reboot I always end up in the same kernel.... |
| 00:32.03 | yates | cool. |
| 00:32.14 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 00:32.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 00:32.17 | dokma | I've put GRUB_DEFAULT= saved |
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| 00:33.16 | Samwan | hi guys. Now i researched for about a few weeks but there seems to be no solution. I have different graphic cards inside my PC cause I have 3 screens and no money for 2 high end cards... so I have an AMD HD 4670 and an HD 7750, is there any way to use both at the same time? |
| 00:33.32 | somiaj | dokma: what does your /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/grub.cfg say your different options are |
| 00:33.54 | dokma | somiaj: just one more try... I forgot update-grub |
| 00:34.02 | yates | does the debian install default to specific desktop environment? |
| 00:34.18 | somiaj | yates: kinda but no |
| 00:34.30 | yates | so you have to choose, gnome, kde, etc. ? |
| 00:34.32 | bauhausniebuhr | supposedly this thing is working, ist connected (I am reading "wlan0 associated" in dmesg); I'm not sure what's holding up the network |
| 00:34.42 | bauhausniebuhr | ist = is |
| 00:34.49 | somiaj | yates: at the end of the installer a program called tasksel is run, this program pulls in collections of packages. If you choose desktop the default will be gnome but you can choose other ones |
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| 00:35.11 | somiaj | yates: if you use the live.debian.net installers you can install the desktop choice you downloaded in the live system |
| 00:35.18 | yates | which version of kde is wheezy running now? it looks like 4.7.something.. |
| 00:35.40 | yates | somiaj: ok. maybe i'll try that for our laptop |
| 00:39.07 | trysten | quit |
| 00:39.10 | trysten | >.< |
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| 00:40.17 | yates | what, is it supper time around here? |
| 00:40.33 | yates | i don't quite understand this: http://packages.debian.org/testing/tex/texlive |
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| 00:41.12 | yates | usually TeXLive is versioned by its year, TeXLive 2010, TeXLive, 2011, etc. |
| 00:41.31 | yates | this doesn't really clearly say - is it TeXLive 2009? http://packages.debian.org/testing/tex/texlive |
| 00:41.41 | pulseaudiouser | yates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX |
| 00:42.07 | yates | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.18 | pulseaudiouser | yates: gives you more information on the TeX editors |
| 00:42.19 | boudiccas | yates: quite possibly. its from when squeeze was frozen before becoming stable |
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| 00:43.29 | somiaj | ,versions tetex |
| 00:43.30 | judd | No package named 'tetex' was found in i386. |
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| 00:43.42 | yates | tetex is pre-texlive |
| 00:43.57 | somiaj | yea wasn't sure if squeeze changed to texlive or not |
| 00:44.28 | somiaj | looks like it is fine, lenny used tetex |
| 00:44.53 | yates | i'll just install texlive separately - that usually works better than the packaging system for tex |
| 00:45.27 | yates | so what version is KDE for testing? |
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| 00:45.33 | yates | 4.7.x? |
| 00:46.04 | somiaj | yates: are you using packages.debian.org |
| 00:46.10 | yates | yes |
| 00:46.18 | yates | http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 00:46.19 | somiaj | testing is a moving target, but look for the kde meta package |
| 00:46.50 | yates | ok, so it looks like 4.7.4 |
| 00:47.09 | yates | decently recent |
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| 00:47.56 | yates | i've had experience with ubuntu, fedora, and opensuse. can someone explain what benefits debian would bring to me? |
| 00:48.42 | yates | i'm a EE, and am building a new workstation based on the intel 3820 |
| 00:49.13 | boudiccas | yates: wtf is an 'EE'? |
| 00:49.14 | yates | i'll be running stuff like octave and my own scientific stuff. |
| 00:49.20 | pulseaudiouser | debian is close to ubuntu with respect to the package manager, it holds open source software (default), and it has spice, octave, and other electrical engineering applications available |
| 00:49.23 | yates | Elelectrical Engineer |
| 00:49.28 | yates | Electrical |
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| 00:49.51 | somiaj | yates: I think debian's stabilty, security support and package managers are debians main advantage. apt/dpkg are really nice once you learn them. |
| 00:50.00 | somiaj | yates: but this requires you run stable + backports for newer stuff |
| 00:50.23 | yates | stable? |
| 00:50.26 | somiaj | yates: if you want to be more 'modern' like unbuntu or arch you could run testing or unstable, but then you loose a lot of debians good points |
| 00:50.29 | somiaj | stable = squeeze |
| 00:50.34 | yates | i would've thought testing? |
| 00:50.48 | somiaj | testing has its own unique set of issues that you will have to fix |
| 00:50.49 | boudiccas | yates: it breaks! |
| 00:50.55 | somiaj | I would never suggest running testing for someone 'new to debian' |
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| 00:51.28 | somiaj | yates: I personally run sid (unstable cause I find it has adantages over testing in terms of fixes) but my system breaks a lot, and I am always fixing things. I find it fun so I keep doing it. |
| 00:51.47 | yates | understand |
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| 00:52.01 | boudiccas | masochist somiaj ! :) |
| 00:52.04 | somiaj | I run maple/sage/tex on debian. |
| 00:52.13 | somiaj | as major apps I use regurally |
| 00:52.43 | yates | does debian carry the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 00:53.01 | pulseaudiouser | yates: i believe not by default, no |
| 00:53.12 | somiaj | yates: it is in the non-free repo which is not enabled by default |
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| 00:53.24 | somiaj | but debian provides a nice way to use the nvidia non-free driver |
| 00:53.29 | somiaj | !tell yates about nvidia dkms |
| 00:53.37 | yates | so there is no support for "kmods" like yum, where you can tie your nvidia driver version to the kernel driver version? |
| 00:54.00 | somiaj | that is what the dkms package does, you need the linux-headers and it will automically compile the nvidia module against your current kernel |
| 00:54.02 | yates | speak to me, bot! |
| 00:54.12 | yates | somiaj: ah. nice! |
| 00:54.14 | somiaj | or any kernel you have the linux-headers for |
| 00:54.18 | yates | right. |
| 00:54.33 | boudiccas | ,versions nanoblogger |
| 00:54.34 | judd | Package: nanoblogger on i386 -- lenny: 3.3-4; sid: 3.4.2-3; squeeze: 3.4.2-3; wheezy: 3.4.2-3 |
| 00:54.44 | yates | is apt equivalent to rpm in redhat world? |
| 00:54.54 | yates | or is it more like yum? |
| 00:55.04 | boudiccas | yates: apt is short for apt-get |
| 00:55.06 | somiaj | yates: no, yum is kinda like a wimpy apt |
| 00:55.11 | yates | lol |
| 00:55.15 | somiaj | apt could mean aptitude |
| 00:55.28 | somiaj | dpkg is the low level package manager, which is equivlant to rpm |
| 00:55.29 | dpkg | somiaj: I give up, what is it? |
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| 00:55.39 | yates | somiaj: ah. good. |
| 00:56.01 | somiaj | apt-get/aptitude are front ends that connect to online repos, deal with ugprdes, dependency handeling and the likes to install packages via dpkg |
| 00:56.15 | yates | apt-get is a cli? i prefer cli's |
| 00:56.22 | yates | for package stuff, that is |
| 00:56.22 | somiaj | they are both cli |
| 00:56.37 | yates | what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 00:56.46 | somiaj | aptitude is prefered for many things nowdays. You can use aptitude either as a cli or you can just run it and get an ncurses dialog |
| 00:56.52 | boudiccas | apt-get is easier to type :) |
| 00:56.59 | somiaj | the logic behind depenency resolving |
| 00:57.03 | yates | ah. |
| 00:57.11 | somiaj | apt-get is faster but isnt always as good in compilcated dependency issues |
| 00:57.18 | somiaj | aptitude is slower but better at dealign with complicated situations |
| 00:57.32 | yates | very good info, somiaj. |
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| 00:57.52 | somiaj | aptitude also has some really powerful search features that apt-cache doesn't have (apt-cache is a companion tool to apt-get) |
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| 00:58.27 | somiaj | yates: they are both installed by default ond ebian systems, so you will have both. |
| 00:58.44 | yates | i'm also ignorant and therefore a little concerned that whatever new distro i use on my new 3820 system won't be able to deal with the UEFI thing - has debian (tesitng or otherwise) been installed successfully on such a machine? |
| 00:58.49 | yates | right. |
| 00:59.01 | yates | i see. thanks for the details! |
| 00:59.11 | somiaj | yes, but dealing with UEFI is just a pain |
| 00:59.26 | yates | can i just shut it off in the bios? |
| 00:59.35 | yates | i heard it requires grub2, basically. |
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| 01:00.08 | somiaj | I have no experience with such things. I don't buy apple hardware. (: |
| 01:00.20 | yates | http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=MB-X79-UD3&c=pw&hash=514fYFeum3OgoBTyaj7HO9po2EafxEd%2FFfbKFwHpmZKnNSx9F8YI%2F2BEm0IvK5AlE%2FYugRdT3X8%2FaOezWH%2BzxwtR4hew4UauBhhksDv4Gdmr%2FdygaPAODHBduqYT%2BQ# |
| 01:00.25 | yates | somiaj: no, not apple! |
| 01:00.49 | dondon | =/ |
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| 01:01.37 | somiaj | yates: I thought UEFI was the apple priority bios/booter. My bad. All my hardware as used a tradional pc bios |
| 01:01.52 | craigevil | yates, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UEFI_Firmware#Enabling_UEFI_boot_in_Debian |
| 01:02.02 | dvs | somiaj: UEFI is coming to PCs |
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| 01:02.11 | yates | aha! |
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| 01:02.29 | somiaj | dvs: well I guess I will get it when I next upgrade in say 2-3 years |
| 01:02.30 | sary | since apt-get and aptitude have been mentiond .. which is better to use for upgrade ! |
| 01:02.41 | dvs | somiaj: no doubt |
| 01:02.41 | somiaj | sary: depends on the version |
| 01:02.57 | somiaj | sary: some versions did better with aptitude some with apt-get |
| 01:03.05 | sary | somiaj: from squeeze to wheezy ! |
| 01:03.15 | craigevil | sary, at this point neither just pick one |
| 01:03.19 | somiaj | sary: but on say a stable system you won't see any different. It is the dist-upgrade between versions that can be different. |
| 01:03.27 | craigevil | !why aptitude |
| 01:03.28 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 01:03.49 | somiaj | yea squeeze -> wheezy can just be problemmatic (it hasn't been tested) so no telling which works better. |
| 01:04.38 | yates | this is a wild-shot, but has anyone here gotten Texas Instruments Code Computer Studio v5.1.1.00033 to run under Debian? (It's a debugger for embedded DSPs and processors) |
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| 01:04.46 | Blue1 | where can I get the mp3 codec to play mp3 files? |
| 01:04.48 | sary | Alright , this is my output of aptitude full-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/166567/ |
| 01:04.49 | yates | Code Composer - blech! |
| 01:05.49 | yates | my feeling at this point is to install wheezy from the get-go and roll with the moving target.. |
| 01:06.02 | somiaj | yates: do not use the testing installer |
| 01:06.07 | yates | oh? |
| 01:06.12 | yates | use the live CD then? |
| 01:06.12 | dvs | !tell Blue1 about multimedia |
| 01:06.13 | somiaj | yates: install a base system from the debian stable netinstaller |
| 01:06.21 | somiaj | yates: and then dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 01:06.25 | yates | ah. |
| 01:06.28 | yates | ok. |
| 01:06.30 | somiaj | then install the rest of your appliactions |
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| 01:06.34 | yates | ok. |
| 01:06.59 | sary | hmm, For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). |
| 01:07.14 | somiaj | yates: though my suggestion is still run debian stable and use backports |
| 01:07.15 | yates | ok, thanks for all the info somiaj et al. |
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| 01:07.36 | somiaj | yates: do this for a while to get use to how debian works. NO need to be trying to fix an upgrade bug like sary is if you don't know how debian manages packages |
| 01:07.51 | somiaj | you may find that with selective backports debian stable is more than enough for your needs |
| 01:08.00 | yates | somiaj: well, i've already seen some evidence that kernels <=2.6.37 don't run CCS well, and that is a major, major issue for me. |
| 01:08.33 | somiaj | you can install kernel 3.2 from squeeze backports |
| 01:08.35 | yates | somiaj: i've dabbled with apt previously, and i can RTFM pretty well! |
| 01:08.40 | yates | oh? |
| 01:08.44 | somiaj | you can also install xorg and the newer nvidia drviers from squeeze backports as well |
| 01:08.45 | yates | i thought you were stuck with 2.6.x |
| 01:08.53 | boudiccas | i use genisoimage to create an 18.9gb iso of mp3s, then use split to create 3.9gb chunks ready to burn to dvd, which i do with k3b. but the chunks have truncated mp3 names to teh first 12 characters. is this done by k3b or do i have to look elsewhere please? |
| 01:08.58 | somiaj | that is why I said stable + BACKPORTS |
| 01:09.18 | somiaj | yates: a backport is a newer package compiled against the squeeze base system. So your base system is still the debian rock hard stable system |
| 01:09.22 | yates | well if you install all these backports, what's different from wheezy? |
| 01:09.41 | sary | my issue is , that this is my first time to upgrade .. so i don't know how to deal with aptitude resolving conflict/unmet dependencies. |
| 01:09.44 | somiaj | yates: wheezy packages depend on wheezy libaries, backport packages depend on squeeze libaries |
| 01:10.02 | somiaj | yates: so only aprts of your system are newer. Also not everything has been (or can be) backported |
| 01:10.13 | somiaj | but in many cases what people want newer can be backported |
| 01:10.14 | Blue1 | okay got the deb added for multimedia support let me see what I can find to decode mp3 files |
| 01:10.21 | yates | i see |
| 01:10.28 | somiaj | i.e. you probabaly don't need a newer 'cat' or 'tar', but a newer kernel, xorg and nvidia drivers are all availaible |
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| 01:11.15 | yates | may i ask here why a linux debian mint exists? |
| 01:11.29 | nevyn | !mint |
| 01:11.30 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 01:11.32 | somiaj | because everyone has their own opinion as to what versions of packages shoudl be released |
| 01:11.55 | boudiccas | yates: ask them, they're the ones who created i t;) |
| 01:12.01 | somiaj | what defaults should be there, what core policies should be in place. mint/ubuntu/based on debian are just using the work of debian for the base packages then putting their own policy/rules on it |
| 01:12.14 | somiaj | in my opinion stable + backports is the way to go |
| 01:12.35 | yates | boudiccas: well, i thought, since i've seen the debian name involved, it would be a topic known here. i'll go there. |
| 01:12.58 | Blue1 | nope not seeing it |
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| 01:13.39 | yates | ok, well thanks much everyone! |
| 01:13.52 | yates | gotta go burn some calories. |
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| 01:14.31 | somiaj | yates: we have no idea what they downsteam changes, so things that work for debian may not work for them (hence a support nightmare) |
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| 01:14.44 | ectospasm | can anyone tell me why this mc.ext snippet doesn't work? http://paste.debian.net/166764/ I use squeeze at work, and mc just blinks when I run it. It looks like on wheezy mc opens the file in $PAGER, which is not what I want. |
| 01:14.53 | boudiccas | somiaj: he's already left |
| 01:15.10 | ectospasm | s/run it/try to ENTER an .xoj/ |
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| 01:16.00 | somiaj | boudiccas: yea I'm slow and i /ignore JOINS,PARTS,QUITS |
| 01:16.02 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.04 | somiaj | boudiccas: to much spam |
| 01:16.35 | boudiccas | spam? thats a request for help or guidance! |
| 01:16.38 | somiaj | boudiccas: use -J -R options for genisoimage (you want the rockridge (free standard) and jouliett (windows) extensions |
| 01:16.53 | boudiccas | ah, right thanks |
| 01:16.56 | somiaj | boudiccas: no I am saying that JOINS,PARTS,QUITS are to much spam for me |
| 01:17.03 | boudiccas | ah right |
| 01:18.13 | somiaj | boudiccas: though I wouldn't use split to split up the image like that |
| 01:18.27 | somiaj | boudiccas: before you waste dvd's make sure you can mount the splited iso as a loopback device |
| 01:18.47 | somiaj | boudiccas: my guess is since the iso is a full file system splitting it into three parts will make it unmountable since you don't have the complete file system present for any one part |
| 01:19.11 | somiaj | boudiccas: hence you will have to put all the images back together to actually get your mp's from them (but I have never done that so i could easily be wrong) |
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| 01:22.03 | boudiccas | somiaj: i can play the mp3s quite easily from the splitted dvds, which is what i want to do, i'm not bothering about cating them at a later date, they're just for playing and backing up before i delete the source files off my system to create more space |
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| 01:28.26 | Blue1 | i installed the fluendo mp3 decoder but I still can't play mp3 files. what else can I check? |
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| 01:34.13 | boudiccas | Blue-1 what are you using to play them with? i'm using rhythmbox with no problems |
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| 01:36.01 | lusers | What is the dpkg command to find packages? Versions? |
| 01:36.24 | lusers | dpkg being the bot. |
| 01:36.25 | dpkg | lusers: no idea |
| 01:37.00 | lusers | You do! You just don't want to say anything without the magic word! :< |
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| 01:39.05 | gimpy15 | Greetings, I bring news from Ubuntu land! It still kind of sucks and doesn't deliver on it's promise of a "just werkz" distro. |
| 01:39.27 | sary | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.30 | bauhausniebuhr | can anyone help with setting up a wireless network? I'm having problems having any interface (I've stuck wioth command prompt setup) successfully connect, although the system recognizes and establishes a connection with the access point) |
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| 01:40.22 | root_coma | bauhausniebuhr whats your /etc/resolv.conf look like. Are your nameservers correct? can you ping google.com |
| 01:40.53 | bauhausniebuhr | it's the iwl3945 driver, in squeeze |
| 01:41.08 | nevyn | bauhausniebuhr: are you using wep/wpa/blah? |
| 01:41.13 | bauhausniebuhr | wpa2 |
| 01:42.25 | bauhausniebuhr | I don't think I would be able to ping google, I didn't get revleft |
| 01:43.23 | sary | bauhausniebuhr: am suing the same driver in squeeze for 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
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| 01:44.05 | bauhausniebuhr | right -- I've got most everything setup correctlz, I believe. I've got the network interfqace configured manually |
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| 01:45.02 | nsadmin | bauhausniebuhr, ping 72.30.38.140 |
| 01:45.10 | nsadmin | that work? |
| 01:45.22 | bauhausniebuhr | let's give it a try |
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| 01:46.20 | nsadmin | shouldn't take too long :) you should know whether you're getting responses right now |
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| 01:46.43 | pfred1 | bauhausniebuhr is the NSA breaking down your door yet? |
| 01:47.29 | pfred1 | they're probably waterboarding him already ... |
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| 01:47.40 | nsadmin | that would be nsaadminb you kant-spel nurd :P |
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| 01:48.12 | DammitJim | how do I test my soundcard? |
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| 01:48.25 | DammitJim | there is some kinda beep or sound command for the terminal |
| 01:48.40 | Blue1 | !soundcard |
| 01:48.40 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 01:48.40 | nsadmin | DammitJim, there's a test script in topic on #alsa |
| 01:48.40 | DammitJim | this is one of those times when for some odd reason my card isn't playing sounds from youtube |
| 01:48.44 | dvs | DammitJim: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav |
| 01:48.46 | dokma | how do I install new instance of Debian on an LVM volume over the internet? |
| 01:48.48 | DammitJim | after going to standby and coming back |
| 01:48.50 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 01:48.51 | gimpy15 | I'm trying to install testing on a laptop and it says I need non0free firmware. I got the files from anonscm.debian.org, put them on a USB drive, shoved it in, but the installer doesn't see them. What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:48.58 | Blue1 | !alsa checklist |
| 01:48.59 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 01:49.01 | dokma | it's a dedicated server very far away from me... |
| 01:49.36 | bauhausniebuhr | not working -- perhaps I should spend more time setting up wicd; I thought, since the connection had been established, though, it wouldn't be necessary |
| 01:49.37 | bauhausniebuhr | setting a static IP wouldn't probably be a good idea, I guess |
| 01:49.37 | bauhausniebuhr | this is quite frustrating |
| 01:49.40 | DammitJim | oh wow.... aplay did play it |
| 01:49.50 | DammitJim | weird |
| 01:49.53 | DammitJim | something got reset |
| 01:50.03 | nsadmin | that at least rules out hardware |
| 01:50.03 | DammitJim | 'cause now the youtube video is working fine |
| 01:50.09 | DammitJim | I did run aplay by itself |
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| 01:50.38 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/DgPwEkd1 |
| 01:52.26 | bauhausniebuhr | does the NSA prefer Macs? |
| 01:53.06 | pfred1 | bauhausniebuhr big Macs! |
| 01:53.16 | bauhausniebuhr | possi bly |
| 01:53.47 | gimpy15 | bauhausniebuhr: No, MS has more back doors. |
| 01:54.12 | pfred1 | I need a browser |
| 01:54.29 | pfred1 | doesn't want no iceweasel either! |
| 01:54.37 | bauhausniebuhr | that's easy to change |
| 01:55.34 | nsadmin | so the NSA is your back door man? |
| 01:55.59 | dvs | hands pfred1 Mosaic |
| 01:57.13 | nsadmin | or better, lynx |
| 01:57.31 | nsadmin | Mosaic is what became netscape |
| 01:58.02 | dvs | yup, Navigator |
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| 02:00.42 | pfred1 | I don't like the newer seamonkey |
| 02:00.52 | pfred1 | it is too much like firefox |
| 02:01.18 | nsadmin | remember that mostly what you can like or dislike is how the interface WORKS |
| 02:01.45 | pfred1 | nsadmin yup I don't like the UI in later versions of seamonkey |
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| 02:02.30 | nsadmin | since styling is available at any level, I find it irrelevent to a large degree, except as it applies to marketing, which is irrelevent for free software |
| 02:02.40 | pfred1 | I think it was around 4.7 where they lost me |
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| 02:03.29 | pfred1 | I guess i vould go look for a copy of 4.5 |
| 02:03.56 | pfred1 | I probbaly have one kicking around here somewhere |
| 02:04.13 | nsadmin | which (again) you may or may not like how it -works- |
| 02:04.25 | pfred1 | oh no I know i like it |
| 02:05.17 | pfred1 | I got my KDE 3.5 going on Squeeze and I like that too |
| 02:06.10 | nsadmin | there's kinda no info to talk about... so there's nothing you're saying about specific mechanisms or even about what they do or don't that you don't or do like |
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| 02:06.50 | pfred1 | nsadmin I don't like tabbed browsing and i like to be able to paste a URL into the window |
| 02:06.55 | gimpy15 | The installer for testing wants non-free firmware. I have it on a USB drive but the installer just keeps asking for it over and over again. Why isn't it reading it from the drive? |
| 02:07.25 | pfred1 | gimpy15 did you unpack the tarball? |
| 02:07.50 | gimpy15 | pfred1: Yup, it's just the plain .ucode files sitting on the USB drive, nothing else. |
| 02:08.49 | nsadmin | pfred1, there are some specifics now... I'd say with tabbed/not, there's not much to say; you either like it or you don't... with pasting things into browser windows, is pasting a url the only use case for pasting into a window that could potentially be useful? |
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| 02:09.12 | pfred1 | nsadmin I use the feature all the time |
| 02:09.30 | s3a | Is it or will it be possible in the future to upgrade 32 bit debian to 64 bit debian because of the "multiarchness" of future stable versions? |
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| 02:10.08 | nsadmin | ok, I get that... and, the question I have, is there another (or many other) use for pasting something into the browser? |
| 02:10.13 | pfred1 | I tried to run 64 bit but I need some 32 bit apps and when i tried to install the compat libs it blew my system up |
| 02:10.37 | pfred1 | nsadmin navigating to a webpage |
| 02:11.24 | s3a | pfred1, was that directed at me? |
| 02:11.46 | pfred1 | s3a about the 64 bit yes |
| 02:11.46 | nsadmin | and, is there other kinds of data that could be pasted that have nothing to do with URLs that would be useful? (this is like herding cats and sweeping 3 feet pf ocean water) |
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| 02:12.06 | pfred1 | nsadmin maybe I don't do that |
| 02:12.28 | s3a | pfred1, ok so that means that it *should* work in the future after bugs are fixed? |
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| 02:12.58 | pfred1 | s3a don't ask me 64 bit seems to work for everyone but it doesn't completely work for me |
| 02:13.47 | nsadmin | ok, so you aren't coming up with other use cases... I am, the most common would be pasting into a text form... others include pasting html code to be rendered (I'd say this one is much less common) |
| 02:13.49 | pfred1 | I'll worry about 64 bit in 2032 when the system clock overflows |
| 02:14.10 | dvs | it's 2038 |
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| 02:14.23 | s3a | pfred1, by then you should just upgrade to the amount of bits that's standard ;) |
| 02:14.24 | pfred1 | dvs OK I'll be dead by then |
| 02:14.32 | dvs | and me retired |
| 02:14.33 | ADFENO | msg NickServ identify freedomsweetfreedom |
| 02:14.39 | nsadmin | pfred1, by the time we get there, there will already be 32 or 64 bit seconds-since-1970 field |
| 02:14.45 | ADFENO | Ops. |
| 02:14.48 | gimpy15 | pfred1: It fails when I use the tarball too. |
| 02:14.52 | dvs | ADFENO: I'll hack you!!! ;-) |
| 02:15.03 | pfred1 | gimpy15 yes you are supposed to unpack it |
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| 02:15.20 | s3a | ok but if someone knows if it *should* work then I would appreciate it because I'd like to install something on a computer now knowing that I can eventually switch the architecture entirely. i don't care if i have to wait but i just want to know if it will be possible |
| 02:15.29 | nsadmin | hackysacky? |
| 02:15.35 | gimpy15 | pfred1: Docs say different: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation |
| 02:15.57 | pfred1 | gimpy15 I read docs earlier this evening that said to unpack it |
| 02:15.58 | ADFENO | Please, I am only trying to get some help about my video driver in Debian. |
| 02:16.17 | nsadmin | ADFENO, he's kidding :P |
| 02:16.25 | pfred1 | gimpy15 they also mentioned a preferred filesystem and a subdirectory name |
| 02:16.39 | ADFENO | Thank you. |
| 02:16.40 | dvs | nsadmin: ...or am I? Muahhaha! :-P |
| 02:16.42 | pfred1 | gimpy15 although the root directory seemed OK too |
| 02:16.54 | gimpy15 | pfred1: Well, crap. Docs disagree with each other. Still doesn't work either way for me. What subdir? |
| 02:17.09 | nsadmin | still, you should change your password... dvs has been known to catch mad cow from time to time... |
| 02:17.13 | pfred1 | gimpy15 I forget was some one word thing like firmware |
| 02:17.24 | dvs | agreed |
| 02:17.43 | nsadmin | or maybe lotsa mad cows... |
| 02:17.51 | ADFENO | I came from Ubuntu (with GNOME) to Debian (with LXDE), actually I am just testing the live USB with i686 architeture. |
| 02:17.59 | pfred1 | gimpy15 but if you unpacked it into the root that should work too |
| 02:18.09 | gimpy15 | pfred1: Nope, same problem. |
| 02:18.14 | nsadmin | ADFENO ok |
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| 02:18.31 | pfred1 | gimpy15 I wish i could help more it is nothing I've ever done I've just read about it |
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| 02:18.45 | pfred1 | gimpy15 you need firmware for wi-fi? |
| 02:18.54 | ADFENO | As I noticed, my monitor (or video card) is not recognized like Ubunto does. |
| 02:18.55 | nsadmin | ADFENO, so could you get to what you need? |
| 02:19.09 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:19.16 | gimpy15 | pfred1: Seems like it. It says it's for "iwlwifi". |
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| 02:19.21 | ADFENO | The resolution is just between 640x480 to 800x600 |
| 02:19.38 | pfred1 | gimpy15 do the install with an ethernet wire then install the firmware with aptitude |
| 02:19.41 | ADFENO | But at Ubuntu it shows more options. |
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| 02:20.12 | kobe42 | hello? |
| 02:20.14 | gimpy15 | pfred1: Proper wireles sis why I'm trying Debian testing. Squeeze didn't work right, ubuntu was full of other problems, Arch wouldn't even install. |
| 02:20.22 | kobe42 | ?? |
| 02:20.29 | nsadmin | what if you boot to the single user mode (or try Ctrl-Alt-F1 to see if you can see chars; Ctrl-Alt-F7 to come back (by default)) |
| 02:20.37 | kobe42 | can i ask calc questions on here? |
| 02:20.39 | pfred1 | gimpy15 I guess you're stuck trying to make it work then |
| 02:20.54 | nsadmin | oh, so it's the resolution |
| 02:20.55 | pfred1 | gimpy15 but wired install is the easy way out |
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| 02:20.57 | ADFENO | I am just worried if there is in fact no problem and if it will recognize my NVIDIA video card, |
| 02:20.59 | kobe42 | ? |
| 02:21.02 | nsadmin | you can see the graphic screen? |
| 02:21.04 | kobe42 | can i ask calculus questions on here? |
| 02:21.11 | kobe42 | i bet you guys can't answer |
| 02:21.16 | pfred1 | ADFENO I got my nVidia card rocking |
| 02:21.22 | OzoneNerd | Hello everyone. I'm fairly new user to Debian, and am having some trouble finding information about this. For better or for worse, I want to just completely disable the login screen and have my computer boot into a user account automatically. How would I go about specifying this? |
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| 02:21.34 | nsadmin | integrates a vector rate of change |
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| 02:21.48 | ADFENO | As Ubuntu shows, it is a NVIDIA G? 408. |
| 02:21.55 | craigevil | ADFENO, the difference is Ubuntu comes with non-free drivers,by Default Debian doesnt although they can be installed |
| 02:21.56 | pfred1 | ADFENO I cheated and used nVidia's installer |
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| 02:22.14 | pfred1 | I've tried debian's not so good |
| 02:22.16 | ADFENO | I inserted the ? because I do not know this character. |
| 02:22.25 | boudiccas | kobe42; no point, we're not interested in your calculus |
| 02:23.00 | craigevil | OzoneNerd, depends on what dm you use, their is a setting in gdm/kdm/slim that can be set to allow autologin |
| 02:23.02 | nsadmin | so, scrape it off your teeth... and you'll be suddenly healthier! |
| 02:23.26 | boudiccas | nsadmin: nice one :) |
| 02:23.29 | OzoneNerd | craigevil: Thank you ... I'll try look around for that. |
| 02:24.02 | pfred1 | dpkg -l | wc -l = 1071 |
| 02:24.02 | dpkg | ii | wc -l = 1071 2.1-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:24.02 | ADFENO | Is there a "free" version of NVIDIA drivers in the new Debian repository? |
| 02:24.07 | craigevil | !tell ADFENO about nividia dkms |
| 02:24.18 | pfred1 | dpkg you goofy bot |
| 02:24.18 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 02:24.36 | nsadmin | creates a rate of thickening of calculus according to time, position and intake food |
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| 02:25.11 | pfred1 | is drinking some thicking ale Baton Burton |
| 02:25.19 | ADFENO | NVIDIA dkms? |
| 02:25.53 | nsadmin | ADFENO, you are running debian now? if so... lspci -nn |
| 02:26.06 | ADFENO | Ok... |
| 02:26.24 | s3a | If anyone is interested: http://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
| 02:26.25 | nsadmin | take a look at that output... we want the one line describing your video (and if you have wireless, look for that line too) |
| 02:27.30 | ADFENO | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0de1] (rev a1) |
| 02:27.45 | nsadmin | , pciid [10de:0de1] |
| 02:27.46 | judd | [10de:0de1] is 'GF108 [GeForce GT 430]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0de1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:28.09 | ADFENO | Wow. |
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| 02:28.22 | hwq001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.24 | ADFENO | Thank you. |
| 02:28.33 | nsadmin | so that as least says what modules |
| 02:28.43 | nsadmin | do you have a wireless in that box? |
| 02:28.53 | karlpinc | s3a: I someone came to this channel after trying that and had problems. Better to do things like <aptitude clone>. |
| 02:28.57 | root_coma | tar cf file-backup.tar /path/to/folder |
| 02:29.22 | karlpinc | hwq001: "tar" does it, with or without compression. |
| 02:29.23 | ADFENO | Well... Wireless NIC? No, just a wireless router connected to the PC, working well as you can see. |
| 02:29.34 | s3a | karlpinc, ya, i'm not doing that without practicing in a virtual machine and I would clone it before just in case. thanks for the warning though :) |
| 02:29.44 | nsadmin | oh ok, good enuf. |
| 02:30.02 | boudiccas | hwq001: what? please explain more fully in english |
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| 02:30.25 | karlpinc | hwq001: The man page sucks. Better to enable the non-free repos and see the examples in the info pages. (tar-doc) |
| 02:31.01 | ADFENO | Ah... My little cousin also wants me to ask if this driver can actually manage 3D games. |
| 02:31.22 | nsadmin | maybe.... let's get it working and see |
| 02:31.25 | karlpinc | hwq001: There are, depending, lots of other ways to transfer directory structures. rsync and scp come to mind. |
| 02:31.46 | ADFENO | Hm... Thank you soo much. |
| 02:32.10 | ADFENO | I am leaving to install Debian now. |
| 02:32.21 | nsadmin | if it's nvidia, you want the closed driver (unfortunately, but them's how it is) |
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| 02:32.32 | karlpinc | ADFENO: You may need to know a bit more.... |
| 02:32.36 | nsadmin | and you have to get the firmware |
| 02:32.40 | karlpinc | !tell ADFENO about firmware install |
| 02:32.48 | ADFENO | Hmm... |
| 02:32.56 | karlpinc | !tell ADFENO about installer firmware |
| 02:33.20 | karlpinc | !tell ADFENO about firmware images |
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| 02:33.32 | ADFENO | Well, I do not like to play heavy games, the only external game I have is Digital Paintball 2. |
| 02:33.59 | karlpinc | ADFENO: You may also wish to see the <overview> factoid, just because your new. At some point. |
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| 02:37.28 | ADFENO | Well. My only major question is with the NVIDIA video card... Also, just for the IRC server mantainence, I see some people pointing commands like !tell, but they have no effect at the freenode webchat. |
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| 02:38.13 | ADFENO | But, I will search for the suggestions anyway. |
| 02:38.17 | karlpinc | ADFENO: Well, the thing is, some hardware, like network cards, won't work without the right firmware. The network card is the one bit that you really want to work during/after insatallation. |
| 02:38.44 | nsadmin | that's more a channel thing (the responder is dpkg whic is a bot on the channel |
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| 02:40.26 | ADFENO | Well, I just found it strange since I have been asked to put the lines with my VGA and wireless specifications. |
| 02:40.45 | ADFENO | But I actually do not have network problems. |
| 02:41.01 | karlpinc | ADFENO: Are you running debian? |
| 02:41.16 | ADFENO | Yes, under a live USB. |
| 02:42.00 | ADFENO | As I said: My major question for now is the video card. :D |
| 02:42.15 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 02:42.16 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:42.51 | karlpinc | ADFENO: Then you may not have problems -- although I don't know whether the debian-live people enable non-free stuff or not. Anyway, if you do have network problems the first thing to do is deal with firmware. (So, it's easiest to download and install the unoffical installer images, IMO, since then there's only one thing to download.) |
| 02:43.13 | nsadmin | my guess, is you should first install debian (maybe in its own storage that does not overwrite anything else) and then grab the nvidia driver and firmware |
| 02:43.23 | nsadmin | after debian is installed |
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| 02:43.41 | nsadmin | and, I'd love to find out what has you thinking about debian right now? |
| 02:43.42 | karlpinc | ADFENO: I concur. (Although I know little about installing nvidia.) |
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| 02:45.25 | ADFENO | Well... If I do install it in a separated hard drive, or partition (if Debian allows me to do so), and if I decide to reinstall it to take the whole hard drive, can I do it? |
| 02:46.11 | ADFENO | *...), and if later I decide...* |
| 02:46.18 | nsadmin | sure, and, you very likely will not have to reinstall, if you're fairly careful about what you copy and to where |
| 02:46.18 | DuxB | Hi, I just switched back to debian after years with ubuntu and after hours of work, I was able to get most of my sound output over hdmi to work, but pandora, and I believe anything by flash isn't working, although non-flash sound from my browser is working, any ideas? |
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| 02:47.07 | ADFENO | Hm... Thank you everyone who helped me. |
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| 02:49.24 | karlpinc | DuxB: I'm clueless with sound. I do know there's a <flash> factoid. Type "/msg dpkg flash" into irc for a private message from the bot. |
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| 02:50.43 | karlpinc | DuxB: You may also want to see the <overview> factoid since there are now more offical channels for software that's not in stable by default. |
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| 02:54.47 | DuxB | karlpinc: thanks, that first link gave me some things to try |
| 02:55.56 | ham5 | http://imgur.com/anaVD |
| 02:56.05 | ham5 | give me some things to try |
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| 02:57.16 | ham5 | mutter & compiz.. if you shrink it small enought it goes solid color... or if i use metacity for a window manager.. |
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| 03:00.50 | DuxB | Ok, next question, in my up top menu, in Gnome, in places, 'Computer' works normally, and opens nautilus, but 'Home Folder', 'Documents', etc, do nothing. Any ideas? |
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| 03:01.21 | pfred1 | DuxB don't run Gnome |
| 03:01.34 | scientes | ham5, use htop |
| 03:01.42 | scientes | its much nicer and doesn't kill your cpu |
| 03:02.16 | scientes | ham5, otherwise, file a bug in bugzilla.gnome.org |
| 03:03.27 | DuxB | pfred1: a highly modified gnome is my favorite desktop, so if possible, I'd like to get it back to how I had it |
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| 03:03.45 | pfred1 | DuxB I'm partial to KDE 3.5 |
| 03:04.46 | DuxB | KDE just doesn't do it for me, but there's a reason we all have the option of either, or one of a dozen others, I know, I've tried every one in the repos |
| 03:05.52 | karlpinc | DuxB: How did you "switch back to debian"? New install? |
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| 03:06.12 | pfred1 | karlpinc I just installed Debian on this machine today |
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| 03:06.39 | karlpinc | !tell pfred1 about overview |
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| 03:06.46 | karlpinc | pfred1: ^^ since you're new. |
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| 03:07.16 | scientes | DuxB, nobody cares about gnome 2 anymore :/ |
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| 03:07.40 | karlpinc | scientes: Well, there is a fork. I forget the name, begins with an M. |
| 03:07.48 | pfred1 | karlpinc I've run Debian since 1995 |
| 03:07.59 | scientes | karlpinc, mint's cinnamon is much more promising |
| 03:08.05 | pfred1 | but i just put it on this box today |
| 03:08.05 | scientes | which uses gnome 3 |
| 03:08.08 | karlpinc | pfred1: Well then, I shouldn't be giving you advice. |
| 03:08.09 | scientes | just uses gnome-shell |
| 03:08.10 | craigevil | Mate |
| 03:08.26 | scientes | well, actually i musing fallback mode cause my 3d drivers are having problems... |
| 03:08.39 | pfred1 | karlpinc hay I'm set in my ways there is plenty I don't know |
| 03:09.19 | karlpinc | scientes: All the desktops suck. Oh well... (Someday I need to list what I want in a desktop. But it's surely too long to get into now.) |
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| 03:11.10 | nsadmin | there's a fork called mork?! |
| 03:11.10 | pfred1 | karlpinc I got trinity to work on Squeeze on this box |
| 03:11.21 | pfred1 | it's cool! |
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| 03:12.36 | karlpinc | pfred1: I don't want cool. I want function. |
| 03:12.37 | pfred1 | karlpinc KDE 3.5 does everything I want a desktop to do |
| 03:13.21 | scientes | karlpinc, im just saying its unwise to use unmaintained software |
| 03:13.34 | scientes | like windows :P |
| 03:13.37 | pfred1 | scientes how come? |
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| 03:13.48 | pfred1 | hey if it works for you go with it |
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| 03:14.08 | karlpinc | pfred1: Because you won't know it's not working until it bites you in the ass, big time. |
| 03:15.04 | pfred1 | karlpinc I'm backed up 4 ways to Sunday I could erase any 3 boxes i have and not be out a thing |
| 03:15.12 | karlpinc | pfred1: And someday it'll stop working. So may as well switch away while it's not broken and simpler. |
| 03:15.41 | karlpinc | pfred1: Backups are a help, eh? ;-) |
| 03:16.09 | karlpinc | pfred1: Still, I want the boxes there to use, and not have to drop everything to get them working again. |
| 03:16.35 | pfred1 | karlpinc I ran suse on a box once for 8 years didn't do a thing to it |
| 03:16.59 | pfred1 | karlpinc one day the caps on the motherboard all popped what would maintaining it have done for me? |
| 03:17.42 | nsadmin | pfred1, and you really want to subject yourself to the possibility of having to restore from your backups |
| 03:17.44 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 03:18.10 | pfred1 | nsadmin I popped the HDD out of that box dropped it into another and it booted up |
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| 03:19.06 | pfred1 | Linux is bulletproof! |
| 03:19.48 | nsadmin | if all you have is a gun, everything looks like a bullet |
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| 03:22.00 | karlpinc | pfred1: It could have been rooted for 7 years and all your data going, to someone, and would you have known it? |
| 03:22.02 | nsadmin | in any case, yes, linux is fairly stable these days... this will be enhanced by knowledge, and reduced by lack thereof |
| 03:22.25 | pfred1 | karlpinc I wasn't even online for 4 years |
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| 03:24.34 | pfred1 | karlpinc so if they were rooting me they had mad skillz! |
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| 03:32.34 | nsadmin | or maybe slightly miffed skillz! |
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| 03:41.45 | jellow | hello I'm trying to build the wl module under 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 , though "m-a a-i broadcom-sta" fails to build it. Many thanks! |
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| 03:42.42 | DFGrizzle | Hi so, I was trying to dist-upgrade from Crunchbang Squeeze to Wheezy, and there was a problem with upgrading two of the window manager packages; dpkg froze up and locked up superuser access from everything.. |
| 03:44.31 | jellow | Futher add this is the build log http://pastebin.com/z6HvWtyG. |
| 03:45.01 | nsadmin | DFGrizzle, I don't think you can do that, at least not without finding and repairing problems along the way |
| 03:45.20 | DFGrizzle | any ideas where I might start? |
| 03:45.38 | nsadmin | start with just upgrade kernel |
| 03:45.48 | nsadmin | actually |
| 03:46.17 | nsadmin | start with a complete backup (or acknowledge there is not any of your own original material on the drive) |
| 03:47.03 | CVirus | What is the name of the package containing the Java docs ? |
| 03:47.15 | DFGrizzle | I got a bunch of the packages downloaded and quite a few installed.. I was trying to run a dpkg-unlock alias I have, but, it requires sudo access.. |
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| 03:48.18 | nsadmin | that's probably not the greatest of situations... it would have been better if you went from crunchbang squeeze to debian squeeze first |
| 03:48.27 | DFGrizzle | I'm logged in from a live cd on it.. |
| 03:48.52 | nsadmin | also, at this point there is no information on the table, so anything I say and anything I've already said is a guess |
| 03:49.15 | nsadmin | with the one exception that backing up before you start installing/upgrading anything is a good thing |
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| 03:50.20 | DFGrizzle | there's a seperate home partition already.. I'm running Crunchbang testing on another computer |
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| 03:51.14 | Lancien | crunchbang it's nice ... but no complet (sorry i'm very bad at englich) |
| 03:52.11 | nsadmin | if there is something |
| 03:52.15 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 03:52.15 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 03:52.30 | DFGrizzle | I mean Crunchbang is essentially squeeze 6.0.3 with a couple packages sprinkled on, but I don't know how to get around not having sudo access.. I'm chrooted and mounted, but now what |
| 03:52.39 | nsadmin | about something you're experiencing right now, then describe that |
| 03:53.37 | nsadmin | ok, let;s be clear... you want sudo? don't want sudo? |
| 03:54.26 | Lancien | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.42 | DFGrizzle | visudo is empty |
| 03:55.57 | cedr | su -l? |
| 03:56.00 | DFGrizzle | looking for a new one |
| 03:56.01 | nsadmin | (the sudo thing is such a tiny issue, it can actually be handled after everything is done) |
| 03:56.12 | jellow | lspci displays 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4358] |
| 03:56.30 | DFGrizzle | no return |
| 03:56.37 | jellow | therefore I have BCM4358 ( sorry for multiple lines ) |
| 03:57.27 | DFGrizzle | jellow, I'm sorry about your Broadcom issues, I've had those often |
| 03:57.35 | DFGrizzle | such a pain in the neck |
| 03:58.26 | nsadmin | ok, so after all this time, there is still essentially not any information... however and to your credit, you've separated /home, and while you'll have to create the users again, you'll be able to keep your home dirs |
| 03:58.36 | nsadmin | , pciid [14e4:4358] |
| 03:58.37 | judd | [14e4:4358] is 'BCM43227 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4358 |
| 03:59.04 | nsadmin | hmm... that's implying it's unsupported |
| 03:59.15 | nsadmin | anyone know otherwise? |
| 03:59.41 | DFGrizzle | Jellow, have you tried installing the packages listed from `apt-cache search broadcom` |
| 03:59.59 | jellow | nsadmin: I think you're right I've found no mention of it figured i would ask if I was reading lspci right. |
| 04:00.31 | jellow | DFGrizzle: yes though wl workd but cannot compile it with backports kernel |
| 04:01.50 | nsadmin | are you sure? you could try getting the backports linux-headers package for your kernel |
| 04:02.13 | nsadmin | you could also try it on the non backport kernel just to see if it works... |
| 04:02.22 | DFGrizzle | I try to avoid compiling their drivers if I can help it. I'm using one of their chips with the firmware-installer packages and it's working pretty well, it's like a bootstrap for b43cutter and such (if I'm not mistaken) |
| 04:02.30 | nsadmin | one thing, in any case you'll need firmware |
| 04:03.44 | jellow | DFGrizzle: the frimware cutter does not support this device |
| 04:04.14 | jellow | nsadmin: it worked bedore but the grhapics card was stuck to 800x600 :( |
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| 04:04.36 | divbell | does it just have a different pci id? |
| 04:05.07 | DFGrizzle | is there a command to generate a new visudo file |
| 04:05.23 | divbell | some of the early intel pci gigabit nics had kernel support but the pci id changed and no one updated the table |
| 04:05.35 | nevyn | DFGrizzle: > /etc/sudoers && visudo ? |
| 04:06.05 | DFGrizzle | that file is empty too |
| 04:06.27 | nevyn | yes it's new. |
| 04:06.51 | jellow | divbell: I've no idea its Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4358] |
| 04:07.04 | nevyn | freshly formed bits ready to be formed by your will into sudoers rules to match your requirements |
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| 04:08.38 | nsadmin | sewerdewers! |
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| 04:19.58 | CVirus | I'm trying to switch to OpenJDK so I removed sun-java6-bin and installed icedtea6-plugin and openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jdk ... but when I run this http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp "Version: Java SE 6 Update 24" ... how come ? |
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| 04:20.50 | pfred1 | sun's jdk always worked best for me |
| 04:21.15 | CVirus | pfred1: it is removed from Debian |
| 04:21.18 | pfred1 | well the runtime |
| 04:22.05 | pfred1 | CVirus good to know now I'll know ot just run over to sun's site to download it |
| 04:22.34 | CVirus | pfred1: what problems did you face with OpenJDK .. shall I switch back ? |
| 04:22.59 | pfred1 | stuff like youtube didn't work so swift |
| 04:23.13 | pfred1 | sun's is just better |
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| 04:23.38 | CVirus | hmm |
| 04:23.48 | CVirus | pfred1: what do you think about my problem |
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| 04:24.44 | pfred1 | CVirus I don't know |
| 04:25.05 | DFGrizzle | dpkg is stuck in a loop trying to process my wireless driver.. `dpkg --configure -a` comes up with the same result as `apt-get install --reinstall dpkg` |
| 04:25.06 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, DFGrizzle |
| 04:25.20 | DFGrizzle | dpkg is stuck in a loop trying to process my wireless driver.. `dpkg --configure -a` comes up with the same result as `apt-get install --reinstall dpkg` |
| 04:25.21 | dpkg | You are person #3 to send an unparseable request, DFGrizzle |
| 04:25.33 | DFGrizzle | dpkg is stuck in a loop trying to process my wireless driver.. dpkg --configure -a comes up with the same result as apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
| 04:25.33 | dpkg | DFGrizzle: You are person #4 to send an unparseable request |
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| 04:26.21 | pfred1 | DFGrizzle the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome |
| 04:27.50 | jellow | I want to revert to Squeeze 2.6.32 kernel from 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 , How do i do this cannot see the package in apt-cache ? |
| 04:28.42 | DFGrizzle | it seems dpkg is stuck in a loop trying to process my wireless driver.. dpkg --configure -a comes up with the same result as apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
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| 04:32.48 | pfred1 | jellow aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 ? |
| 04:33.15 | DFGrizzle | pfred1, perhaps doctor, you might have a cure? |
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| 04:35.05 | pfred1 | DFGrizzle I've had bad luck with wireless sorry |
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| 04:36.29 | jellow | pfred1: Do you also happen to know If I can get the 2.6.38 kernel? |
| 04:37.00 | pfred1 | jellow you can from kernel.org then you can package it up and install it |
| 04:37.23 | pfred1 | jellow I happen to like how debian does kernels |
| 04:38.22 | pfred1 | jellow something like time fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=bn1 kernel_image |
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| 04:38.50 | jellow | pfred1: sounds complicated i'll give this one a shot first |
| 04:39.20 | pfred1 | jellow configuring a kernel is complicated today |
| 04:39.49 | pfred1 | it takes me a while to go through it and i don't always get it right the first time around |
| 04:40.11 | pfred1 | or the 6th time for that matter |
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| 04:40.49 | pfred1 | today i used an old config I'd saved |
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| 04:42.00 | nevyn | hates configuring kernels |
| 04:42.09 | nevyn | I don't mind building them so much |
| 04:42.17 | nevyn | configuring kernels is annoyment |
| 04:42.18 | nsadmin | coincidentally, I hate configured kernels! |
| 04:42.22 | pfred1 | export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 |
| 04:42.38 | nevyn | nsadmin: sometimes it's nessicary |
| 04:42.43 | nevyn | it's just annoying |
| 04:43.54 | pfred1 | canned kernels are OK I guess but there is nothing quite like home cooking |
| 04:44.42 | somiaj | I think my bigest issue with premade kernels is initrd, but I got tired of keeping up with all the new options |
| 04:44.44 | pfred1 | I have a 1 GHz P3 here I took some time to configure and it boots in 16 seconds |
| 04:44.52 | DFGrizzle | I've been using the Liquorix kernel for a while |
| 04:45.34 | pfred1 | somiaj Google isn't always your friend |
| 04:45.51 | somiaj | pfred1: google is our overlord...bow to it |
| 04:46.18 | pfred1 | I love looking up some arcane nonsense and all i get is no description is available. |
| 04:47.13 | somiaj | though I thought smartpage was all the rage for the google resistance |
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| 04:52.35 | nsadmin | nevyn, I think you're right.... when you're about to compile a kernel, it's always nice to have a .config file... |
| 04:53.28 | nevyn | somiaj: I like initrd |
| 04:53.41 | nevyn | somiaj: I wouldn't have a new kernel if it wasn't for hardware support |
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| 04:58.15 | nsadmin | the old days of havng to put all that stuff in the kernel wasn't too long ago |
| 04:59.31 | nsadmin | the strong recommendation at that time was compile your own kernel to have whatever was needed to mount / |
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| 05:00.55 | lasers | somiaj: Boo! |
| 05:01.51 | nevyn | nsadmin: I even cheat and start with the distro config make oldconfig then make config and remove a bunch of stuff and it takes ages. |
| 05:01.55 | lasers | somiaj: Keeping you in a loop. Apparently you can't use X tools (xset, xrandr, etc) on ATI/NVIDIA binaries. I'm now sporting nouveau and xrandr now see two screens. |
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| 05:02.15 | jpinx | I'm trying to build a minimal squeeze in a vbox vm. I used netinstall and got the base system and installed a few things like screen, irssi, etc, and then installed lxde. What do I need to install to make it boot straight into lxde? |
| 05:02.44 | lasers | jpinx: display mananger? |
| 05:03.07 | nsadmin | I do that too when I compile my own (not so often, the initrd thing is something I knew would be the future and would change everything, it did, including the recommendation) |
| 05:03.11 | jpinx | lasers: I don't want gdm cos it drags in half of gnome ;) |
| 05:03.17 | lasers | jpinx: nodm? ;) |
| 05:03.30 | lasers | jpinx: Afaik there are some issues with consolekit. |
| 05:03.33 | Devastator | xdm |
| 05:03.45 | jpinx | xdm is installed but not coming up |
| 05:03.59 | Devastator | xinit? |
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| 05:04.17 | lasers | jpinx: nodm. fix your .xinitrc. ln -s .xsession --> .xinitrc (just in case) |
| 05:04.42 | jpinx | Devastator: ok - thanks |
| 05:05.34 | Devastator | jpinx worked? |
| 05:05.53 | jpinx | Hmm - things soon get very non-minimal when you start installing gui stuff.... |
| 05:06.06 | Devastator | if you notice, i was guessing hehe |
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| 05:06.48 | jpinx | Devastator: installing now -- over gprs 2G so don't hold your breath ;) |
| 05:07.06 | Devastator | jpinx are you in peru or thailand? |
| 05:07.21 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.22 | pfred1 | jpinx I'm in X Window and my / partition is only 3.8GB |
| 05:07.48 | jpinx | pfred1: yes - I hope to get this down to about 1.5Gb |
| 05:07.56 | Devastator | jpinx thai food is spectacular! |
| 05:08.24 | jpinx | pfred1: it's a vm to go on a usb stick ;) |
| 05:08.30 | pfred1 | jpinx yeah I'm running a DE |
| 05:08.37 | jpinx | Devastator: tell me ;) |
| 05:08.48 | jpinx | pfred1: which DE? |
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| 05:08.52 | pfred1 | jpinx and I have a kernel source tree installed |
| 05:08.58 | pfred1 | jpinx KDE 3.5 |
| 05:09.12 | jpinx | pfred1: ok - that's huge - I will use lxde |
| 05:09.24 | Devastator | jpinx i only ate once, but it was damn good! |
| 05:09.35 | jpinx | Devastator: you were here? |
| 05:09.42 | pfred1 | jpinx plenty more room /dev/sda3 28G 3.8G 23G 15% / |
| 05:10.04 | Devastator | jpinx no, unfortunately, it was on a restaurant in .br |
| 05:10.29 | jpinx | Devastator: cool - I can't get .br food here ;) |
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| 05:11.11 | pfred1 | the food stinks where I'm at |
| 05:11.47 | jpinx | pfred1: I am going to squeeze vbox.exe install kit for Windows, the vm, and some data all on a 4Gb usb stick |
| 05:12.03 | karlpinc | jpinx: Use slim for a *dm? |
| 05:12.30 | Devastator | jpinx but i do have some material with elephants made by hand in .th, they are beautiful! |
| 05:12.33 | jpinx | Arconiaprime: never heard of slim - thanks for the tipp ;) |
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| 05:12.57 | jpinx | Ooops sorry Arconiaprime that was for karlpinc |
| 05:13.10 | karlpinc | Not to be picky, but food and elephants are offtopic. Use #debian-offtopic or you will eventually incur the wrath of the ops. |
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| 05:13.24 | Devastator | sorry karlpinc :) |
| 05:13.32 | Devastator | shuts up |
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| 05:13.43 | jpinx | karlpinc: is slim smaller than xdm? |
| 05:13.56 | Devastator | let's check |
| 05:14.02 | karlpinc | jpinx: I think so, but "aptitude show slim" (etc) and check. |
| 05:14.04 | jpinx | Devastator: /join #debian-offtopic - I am there |
| 05:14.28 | lasers | jpinx: xdm is smaller than slim. nodm is smaller than xdm. |
| 05:14.37 | karlpinc | jpinx: You can also use debtags to search to find *dm-s and so forth. |
| 05:14.45 | jpinx | lasers: thanks |
| 05:14.48 | Devastator | jpinx slim is 1.5mb installed |
| 05:15.02 | somiaj | though I thought smartpage was all the rage for the google r1920x1080 |
| 05:15.10 | jpinx | size will depend on the dependencies it drags in |
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| 05:16.08 | karlpinc | jpinx: And xdm supports network login where slim does not. That probably makes a big difference in runtime footprint. (But that's a guess.) |
| 05:16.10 | lasers | jpinx: I mentioned nodm one too many. However, nodm is automatic display manager. No user/password prompt. If you set it up right, it'll boot straight (kinda like GDM with autologin) |
| 05:16.21 | jpinx | and installing and removing doesn't give you all the spaceback - not even with purge |
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| 05:16.55 | Devastator | jpinx xdm is 750~780kb installed |
| 05:17.12 | jpinx | lasers: ok - thanks - I will seriously look at that |
| 05:17.28 | Devastator | jpinx as lasers already pointed nodm is 152kb installed |
| 05:18.17 | karlpinc | jpinx: It's that pesky "recommends" that makes install/remove non-symmertic. (There ought to be a way to remove "symmerticly"....) (*ugh* spelling) |
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| 05:18.44 | jpinx | :) |
| 05:18.48 | lasers | deborphan? |
| 05:19.03 | lasers | or you're talking about automatically marked packages? |
| 05:19.03 | somiaj | lasers: xrandr works on newer version of the nvidia drivers, but yes it doesn't have complete functionality. xset on the other hand works just fine (this doens't mess with display, but controls lots of various x settings) |
| 05:19.08 | nevyn | doesn't patitude have an option that fixes that. |
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| 05:19.43 | penrod | greetings, I have just noticed this when I was doing a ls -l from the root folder, any ideas on how I can fix/repair/delete ? |
| 05:19.45 | penrod | it is the /mnt that has me puzzled |
| 05:19.47 | penrod | http://pastebin.ca/2142413 |
| 05:19.54 | karlpinc | lasers: deborphan combined with "show me only those orphans that depend on the package I just removed" sort of thing. |
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| 05:20.12 | karlpinc | lasers: s/depend/reverse depend/ |
| 05:20.35 | karlpinc | lasers: Automatically marked packages take care of themselves. |
| 05:20.39 | lasers | somiaj: Noted. NVIDIA TwinView span two monitors as one screen. That was the problem. I could rotate both at a same time, not one. So installing nouveau fixed that. Sporting one vertical monitor now. :) |
| 05:21.03 | Mikha`el | im having a problem with nvidia's gfx driver, kernel module is loaded and i load xorg glx module, log says it loads fine, and everything does work for a bit, then 3d acceleration seems to stop working after ive been running for awhile, glxgears 5fps, its just like its not installed at all and using software renderer, but i cant find any log specifying the problem, i think something is wrong with the glx lib, but i dont know how to check its sta |
| 05:21.03 | Mikha`el | tus after xorg is running, in /var/log it just says it loaded fine when xorg started then nothing |
| 05:21.16 | Mikha`el | this has been a problem for a long time for me |
| 05:21.18 | somiaj | lasers: I never liked nvidia's twinview, and yes you can configure all this in your xorg.conf if you really want to, (: |
| 05:22.01 | Mikha`el | has anyone else experienced this using nvidia driver |
| 05:22.04 | somiaj | though I haven't used multiple monintors on my nvidai desktop in years, I use to use xinemera personally |
| 05:22.18 | karlpinc | penrod: I don't suppose you have autofs on? |
| 05:22.31 | Devastator | Mikha`el have you build the drivers yourself or you used debian's nvidia driver? |
| 05:22.46 | Mikha`el | i used the deb package of nvidia's binary driver |
| 05:22.54 | Mikha`el | didnt compile it |
| 05:23.08 | Mikha`el | it does work when i first start my system usually, then something happens |
| 05:23.17 | penrod | karlpinc: no |
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| 05:23.40 | karlpinc | Mikha`el: The ".deb" package from where? (I know it makes a difference, but can't help further because I'm clueless.) |
| 05:23.47 | Mikha`el | and i did uninstall the nouvau driver, i know that can cause conflicts when that kernel module is loaded |
| 05:24.03 | somiaj | Mikha`el: did you compile your own module against your kernel with the nvidia-kernel-dkms package? |
| 05:24.03 | penrod | I hav not mounted anything , other than the hard drive, since I installed ( about 4 weeks ago) |
| 05:24.06 | Devastator | i don't know, but have you checked if there are newer drivers backported? |
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| 05:24.23 | Mikha`el | from debian's official repos, not sure if its in non-free, i believe so |
| 05:24.43 | somiaj | Mikha`el: but did you use the dkms package or the precompiled package? I would suggest the dkms package |
| 05:24.44 | Devastator | nvidia factoid? |
| 05:24.45 | karlpinc | Devastator: There's a new X in backports, but it seems non-trival to install. |
| 05:24.52 | Mikha`el | contrib i believe |
| 05:25.06 | somiaj | there is also newer nvidia-drivers-nonfree in backports as well |
| 05:25.13 | karlpinc | penrod: What version of debian? |
| 05:25.24 | penrod | squeeze |
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| 05:25.47 | karlpinc | penrod: Can you pastebinit your /etc/fstab? |
| 05:25.51 | karlpinc | !tell penrod about pastebinit |
| 05:25.54 | Mikha`el | its in non-free debian repo, 195.36.31-6 |
| 05:27.16 | penrod | http://pastebin.ca/2142416 |
| 05:28.00 | Mikha`el | ill look into it later, debian.org seems slow atm |
| 05:29.17 | karlpinc | penrod: I see no obvious problem. Perhaps a fsck of the fs, just in case there's a disk problem. You can also install and use smartmontools. To reboot and fsck you can "shutdown -F -r now". Good luck. Gotta go. |
| 05:29.31 | somiaj | Mikha`el: what is your video card? |
| 05:29.52 | penrod | karlpinc: thank you for your time |
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| 05:31.08 | Mikha`el | geforce 6200 |
| 05:31.16 | Mikha`el | so it uses the newest driver |
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| 05:33.46 | JamesB | Does anyone know the reasoning for Squeeze's "Selected files" extracting only the directory if a directory is selected, instead of the directory and its contents? |
| 05:34.38 | JamesB | Ack, wrong channel, my bad |
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| 05:48.50 | alkisg | Hi, I can't find non-netboot installation images for testing, are they available somewhere? |
| 05:49.33 | alkisg | (I'm looking for the usual gnome cd1.iso) |
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| 06:04.04 | Mikha`el | ok im attempting to try using backports, but backports' nvidia-glx package isnt even showing up in synaptic |
| 06:04.24 | scientes_ | Mikha`el, what does lspci | grep VGA output? |
| 06:04.28 | Mikha`el | why is it hiding the packages from me, i select package list based on source but its not showing all the packages, but the website does |
| 06:04.49 | Mikha`el | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) |
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| 06:05.20 | scientes_ | Mikha`el, did you just upgrade xorg? |
| 06:05.26 | scientes_ | like, today ? |
| 06:05.28 | Mikha`el | no i didnt upgrade xorg |
| 06:05.40 | scientes_ | cause it just revved to 1.12 in sid |
| 06:05.49 | Mikha`el | im using stable |
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| 06:06.03 | Mikha`el | jwhy does synaptic hide the backport packages from me |
| 06:06.13 | scientes_ | Mikha`el, did you apt-get update? |
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| 06:06.18 | Mikha`el | website lists packages synaptic tab doesnt |
| 06:06.30 | scientes_ | you need to apt-get update after changing sources.list |
| 06:06.35 | Mikha`el | im not a noob |
| 06:06.37 | Mikha`el | its not showing up |
| 06:06.40 | Mikha`el | thats what im telling u |
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| 06:06.48 | scientes_ | then try aptitude |
| 06:06.52 | Mikha`el | non-free tab for backports only lists like a dozen packages |
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| 06:07.10 | Mikha`el | i uninstalled aptitude because it wants to autoremove crap withotu asking me |
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| 06:07.13 | Mikha`el | unlike apt-get |
| 06:07.26 | scientes_ | well aptitude saves its past session |
| 06:07.29 | scientes_ | which can be a problem |
| 06:07.40 | scientes_ | you have to "unset all changes" after opening it |
| 06:07.52 | alkisg | apt-cache show "package-name" will tell you if it's in your repositories or not |
| 06:08.06 | scientes_ | ***"cancel pending actions" |
| 06:08.06 | alkisg | apt-cache policy, sorry |
| 06:08.07 | scientes_ | in aptitude |
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| 06:19.13 | krion | hi |
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| 06:20.51 | g00se | Just doing lenny->squeeze andhave come to grub config screen with debconf. Getting 'The following command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub...Please verify that it is correct, and modify it as necessary.' But the command line is empty (!) |
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| 06:37.29 | initself | how do i go about installing this? |
| 06:37.30 | initself | http://packages.debian.org/sid/php5-syck |
| 06:37.40 | initself | what repo is it in? |
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| 06:38.47 | initself | maybe i just need to add an unstable channel for squeeze? |
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| 06:45.59 | scientes_ | g00se, a empty command line is fine |
| 06:46.13 | scientes_ | g00se, so just continue |
| 06:46.29 | scientes_ | g00se, you could also add "quiet" if you want |
| 06:46.34 | scientes_ | but i wouldn't initially |
| 06:47.20 | initself | nasty |
| 06:47.22 | initself | /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: /usr/local/lib/libsyck.a(emitter.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `.rodata' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
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| 06:49.31 | initself | /bin/bash: line 4: 4064 Segmentation fault ${dir}$tst |
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| 06:49.32 | g00se | scientes_: Thanks |
| 06:49.35 | initself | goodness |
| 06:49.37 | ronny | h |
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| 06:50.19 | SomeoneWeird | So im trying to install gource, when I run ./configure it throws an error about not being able to find boost, even thought i have every boost package installed |
| 06:50.49 | g00se | Something a little worse(?) now come up 'Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system...' |
| 06:51.04 | krion | g00se: is not that bas |
| 06:51.06 | krion | bad |
| 06:51.12 | scientes_ | g00se, its cause that is just what grub ADDS to its normal command line |
| 06:51.20 | scientes_ | g00se, thats not fatal |
| 06:51.35 | krion | g00se: you should have a package that is not LSB compliant iirc |
| 06:51.44 | scientes_ | ^^^^ |
| 06:52.08 | scientes_ | g00se, nano /etc/init.d/* |
| 06:52.16 | scientes_ | and then check them one by one intil you find the offender |
| 06:52.28 | ronny | does anyone know how to build a 32 bit version of libproxychains |
| 06:52.29 | g00se | Yes,various LSB tags missing apparentlyh |
| 06:52.33 | krion | the offender should be specified, it was in my case |
| 06:52.46 | scientes_ | ronny, what for? |
| 06:53.18 | scientes_ | ronny, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libproxychains3 |
| 06:53.19 | ronny | scientes_: i need proxychains on a 32 bit app i cant compile |
| 06:53.27 | ronny | im o a 64 bit sys |
| 06:53.38 | scientes_ | ronny, if you are using wheezy+ you can apt-get install libproxychains-dev:i386 |
| 06:53.46 | scientes_ | ronny, if you are using wheezy+ you can apt-get install libproxychains3 |
| 06:53.49 | scientes_ | dont need the header |
| 06:54.26 | scientes_ | you might need apt and dpkg from unstable for that |
| 06:54.31 | scientes_ | !multiarch |
| 06:54.31 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 06:56.36 | initself | CFLAGS=-fPIC ./configure solves it |
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| 06:57.08 | ronny | scientes_: what exactly do i need to do to get the tools i need to do that install? |
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| 07:00.07 | ronny | scientes_: apt tells me libproxychains3:amd64 is installed, but when i try :i386/:i686, it complains about mssing packages |
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| 07:01.29 | g00se | Guys, could i ask you to look at http://technojeeves.com/tech/debconf.png ? Am i going to get away with it to proceed with upgrade? |
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| 07:03.18 | Blue1 | g00se: i generally backup /home/ and /etc/ and do a clean install |
| 07:04.14 | g00se | Blue1: I'm well down the road now |
| 07:04.40 | Blue1 | g00se: good luck - I have had problems doing upgrades so I don't do that anymore. YMMV applies. |
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| 07:05.54 | scientes_ | ronny, dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 07:06.01 | scientes_ | ronny, then apt-get update |
| 07:06.05 | jpinx | is there a way to get aptitude to to purge the packages listed by deborphan automagically? |
| 07:06.24 | scientes_ | ronny, then make sure you have dpkg and apt from unstable |
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| 07:06.36 | scientes_ | ronny, then apt-get install libproxychains3:i386 |
| 07:06.38 | nsadmin | Blue1, not to say they don't work... |
| 07:06.57 | g00se | Blue1: YMMV? |
| 07:07.07 | Blue1 | g00se: your mileage may vary. |
| 07:07.11 | madi | hi, how can i list the last updates of my system by date? i.e. i would like to see which package i have updated today with sudo apt-get update |
| 07:07.14 | g00se | Ah ;) |
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| 07:08.19 | g00se | I mean, does it look from that debconf screen that the system is not going to boot (properly or at all)? |
| 07:08.50 | Blue1 | g00se: that I don't know - I have never gotten that error. |
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| 07:09.02 | nsadmin | usually you want to upgrade to the latest of the dist you're already on first, then switch your sources.list, then upgrade kernel and reboot, then upgrade bash, perl-base, dpkg, apt-get, aptitude |
| 07:09.13 | nsadmin | and then do the dist-upgrade |
| 07:09.15 | scientes_ | g00se, i bet it will boot |
| 07:09.25 | scientes_ | none of those are critical |
| 07:09.32 | scientes_ | however, you really should fix it up |
| 07:09.34 | nsadmin | g00se, is this a remote? |
| 07:09.49 | g00se | nsadmin: I *did* follow the lenny->squeeze factoid. No it's not remote |
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| 07:10.23 | Blue1 | when is wheezy due out? |
| 07:10.37 | lasers | There are no deadline. |
| 07:10.45 | nsadmin | sometime after today... |
| 07:10.56 | Blue1 | lasers: i may look to see if there are any betas out there. |
| 07:11.01 | jpinx | when it's ready ;) |
| 07:11.31 | g00se | scientes_: I think i'm going to have to fix it up later if necessary. I don't see much choice but to hit OK .. |
| 07:11.44 | nsadmin | (repeat my previous answer once per day until it was relased... then, the correct answer will be "yesterday" |
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| 07:12.58 | scientes_ | g00se, you can always apt-get install --reinstall sysv-rc |
| 07:13.20 | g00se | scientes_: Yes. I can purge a couple too |
| 07:13.46 | Dacicus2 | I have a question, how can I switch from Unity back to Gnome 2? Thanks. |
| 07:14.15 | lasers | Dacicus2: Wrong channel? |
| 07:14.16 | Dacicus2 | How are you doing, lasers? |
| 07:14.21 | lasers | BOT! |
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| 07:14.28 | Dacicus2 | Hi, heyArnoldFan1999. |
| 07:14.30 | Dacicus2 | I was just asking |
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| 07:15.01 | Dacicus2 | Hi, big_g. |
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| 07:15.12 | Dacicus2 | Hi, lasers. |
| 07:15.16 | lasers | Heh. |
| 07:15.21 | Blue1 | Dacicus2: article here has link on how to do that: http://pkill-9.com/gnome-classic-fallback-ubuntu-12-04/ |
| 07:15.26 | Dacicus2 | How are you doing, Blue1? |
| 07:15.31 | g00se | What surprises me is the number of 'errors' relating to stuff like LC_ALL not being set, which afaik is not set by default, along with others |
| 07:15.36 | scientes_ | Blue1, apt-get install gnome-session-fallback |
| 07:15.36 | Blue1 | ahh I hate auto-greet |
| 07:15.47 | jpinx | !ops Dacicus2 appears to be a bot |
| 07:15.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jpinx complains about: Dacicus2 appears to be a bot |
| 07:15.52 | Dacicus2 | How are you doing, jpinx? |
| 07:15.52 | Dacicus2 | How are you doing, dpkg? |
| 07:15.54 | g00se | (Perl errors iirc) |
| 07:16.04 | scientes_ | jpinx, indeed |
| 07:16.12 | mrmist | Dacicus2: mind giving that a rest? |
| 07:16.14 | Dacicus2 | How are you doing, mrmist? |
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| 07:16.43 | lasers | mrmist: is not on an op list? o.O |
| 07:16.54 | jpinx | mrmist: thanks |
| 07:16.54 | scientes_ | g00se, you can get rid of that by just export LANG=C |
| 07:17.02 | mkfsu235 | what is this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-update-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? |
| 07:17.07 | g00se | scientes_: Ah thanks |
| 07:17.20 | nsadmin | an iso |
| 07:17.26 | scientes_ | which is totally fine if you speak english |
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| 07:17.35 | mrmist | lasers: I'm not, no. We occasionally stick our noses into channels when bots are being disruptive across >1 place. |
| 07:17.37 | scientes_ | mkfsu235, iso9660, aka a cdrom |
| 07:17.43 | ronny | scientes_: an apt-get install libproxychains:i386 tries to remove gnome & others |
| 07:17.44 | mkfsu235 | update ? |
| 07:17.59 | lasers | mrmist: Oh. Freenode staff? :) |
| 07:18.00 | mkfsu235 | wtf, where is 6.0.4 full ? |
| 07:18.16 | mkfsu235 | this image doesn't even boot |
| 07:18.16 | scientes_ | ronny, that means that the library has not been updated for multiarch |
| 07:18.19 | nsadmin | you almost never need to download a dvd image, just update and be done |
| 07:18.34 | scientes_ | ronny, you could update it and submit a patch http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation |
| 07:18.46 | nsadmin | mkfsu235, as root, try: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 07:19.01 | nsadmin | and do not press Y or enter until you look at the output |
| 07:19.02 | lasers | mkfsu235: Why? Your ISO will be outdated by next week. |
| 07:19.22 | lasers | Your Full ISO. |
| 07:19.37 | mkfsu235 | what is the latest full iso to download that boots ? |
| 07:19.47 | nsadmin | you do NOT need an iso. |
| 07:19.57 | scientes_ | ronny, its a really simple package, so it wouldn't be too dificult to patch for multiarch, |
| 07:20.20 | mkfsu235 | dude, i need an iso. to install on a pc without a Internet connection. |
| 07:20.22 | scientes_ | ronny, and for just getting to work right now, download the i386 deb, and put that .so in /usr/lib/i386.../ |
| 07:20.38 | nsadmin | can you connect it temporarily? |
| 07:21.38 | scientes_ | hmm, as libproxychains3 has a config file, it would probably need to be split in two for multiarch |
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| 07:22.45 | usspx | ciao |
| 07:22.49 | usspx | !list |
| 07:22.49 | dpkg | usspx: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 07:23.23 | nsadmin | usspx, ".it" is a dead giveaway... why make it so? |
| 07:24.23 | krion | don't blame but i can't find an answer to my question |
| 07:24.37 | krion | i'm following this guide http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#rules |
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| 07:24.55 | krion | in order to create a package as a learning purpose |
| 07:25.10 | nofd | hi |
| 07:25.17 | krion | the things is, i don't get where it took the default arguments for dh_auto_configure |
| 07:25.52 | nsadmin | krion, first off each dh_* have man pages |
| 07:25.55 | krion | in my case, dh_auto_configure pass a bunch of arguments to ./configure, and specially --build one, which is not supported by the package |
| 07:26.05 | nofd | hi now new Network :D http://irc.Sportime.tk joined and have nice day |
| 07:26.14 | krion | oh ok then you suggest man dh_auto_configure ? |
| 07:26.39 | nsadmin | to start with anyway, if that's the program you want to understand right now |
| 07:27.27 | krion | yes, i want to understand this one, since it pass --build that is not supported, and override_dh_* just *add* arguments and not remove it |
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| 07:27.46 | nsadmin | it's not supported, by what? |
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| 07:28.02 | krion | by the ./configure of my package, i guess |
| 07:28.28 | nsadmin | remember that usually the configure script is generated, from configure.in |
| 07:28.31 | krion | since ./configure --help doesn't show it, and since dh_auto_configure complain (./configure: error: invalid option "--build=x86_64-linux-gnu") |
| 07:28.33 | nsadmin | or maybe configure.ac |
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| 07:29.23 | krion | i've none of it, just one configure |
| 07:29.24 | nsadmin | what package is this? |
| 07:29.45 | krion | nginx (i know it's packaged, but once again is for learning purpose) |
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| 07:31.42 | krion | i had a look at the nginx's debian package debian/rules, but it doesn't seem to be done by dh_*, since it doesn't have dh_* in the file |
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| 07:32.19 | nsadmin | right, so nginx is packaged, and the packaging works... it could be there is a build dependency which is not in sync versionwise |
| 07:32.44 | nsadmin | for example, are you running lenny and trying to build nginx from (say) sid? |
| 07:32.55 | pjc_ | morning folks |
| 07:33.35 | krion | i'm running testing, and i don't remember to have specified for any specific distribution |
| 07:34.05 | krion | i'm following the maint-guid step by step |
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| 07:34.34 | Mikha`el | ok i installed the nvidia module from backports, so far so good |
| 07:35.10 | Mikha`el | the one in testing is slightly newer but this beats stable |
| 07:35.16 | krion | but i'm stuck by the defaults args passed as dh_auto_configure |
| 07:35.35 | Mikha`el | and i did compile it with dkms |
| 07:36.14 | nsadmin | krion, could you run apt-cache policy debhelper | nopaste |
| 07:36.23 | krion | sure |
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| 07:36.39 | nsadmin | (if nopaste missing, |
| 07:36.44 | nsadmin | !nopaste |
| 07:36.44 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 07:36.47 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 07:36.57 | mehrdad_drpc | hi guys! |
| 07:37.11 | mehrdad_drpc | how to stop or close port? |
| 07:37.17 | pjc_ | mehrdad_drpc: iptables |
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| 07:39.01 | krion | nsadmin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/959338/ |
| 07:39.19 | krion | (not my fault if it paste on ubuntu :D) |
| 07:40.38 | krion | http://paste.debian.net/166789/ |
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| 07:42.06 | krion | nsadmin: i'm not repackaging the nginx's debian package FYI |
| 07:42.18 | krion | i'm starting with upstream source |
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| 07:43.00 | nsadmin | your first try? |
| 07:43.16 | krion | yes |
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| 07:43.37 | nsadmin | wait, if you're starting from upstream source, why is there any dh_* calls? |
| 07:43.38 | krion | from scratch, i've already modified debianized package |
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| 07:43.59 | krion | nsadmin: because i've followed the maint-guide |
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| 07:44.32 | krion | hence did a dh_make -f ../source.tar.gz |
| 07:44.47 | nsadmin | and you placed the call, following those instructions? |
| 07:45.22 | krion | the call is the default imho |
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| 07:45.30 | krion | since my debian/rules is almost empty |
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| 07:46.25 | scientes_ | nsadmin, oo nopaste looks kinda cool |
| 07:47.04 | krion | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/166791/ |
| 07:47.11 | krion | here is my debian/rules |
| 07:47.20 | krion | i then call dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:48.15 | krion | oh wait it works now... |
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| 07:48.53 | nsadmin | krion, if this is for learning, you ma wish to: |
| 07:49.11 | krion | i mean. how can it not works since yesterday, and now it works... |
| 07:49.27 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.44 | krion | it must have installed something while install nopaste... |
| 07:53.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.56 | krion | yep |
| 07:54.04 | krion | it's very interesting indeed |
| 07:54.46 | nsadmin | one thing you may notice is there ia a build system in place |
| 07:54.55 | krion | pbuilder ? |
| 07:55.22 | krion | oh, in the nginx debian source |
| 07:56.27 | nsadmin | yes, there may or may not be a build system |
| 07:57.01 | nsadmin | yes |
| 07:58.15 | nsadmin | one thing you could do is mkdir nginx-orig ; cd nginx-orig ; aot-get source nginx |
| 07:58.19 | nsadmin | and look around |
| 07:58.24 | krion | i did that :) |
| 07:58.51 | krion | but the debian/rules is far more complicated that the one i'm supposed to have with dh_make |
| 07:59.19 | krion | that's why i guess that the mainteneur of nginx didn't use dh_* |
| 08:02.04 | krion | hum, i reproduce my problem |
| 08:04.29 | nsadmin | why not try a simpler package, with fewer and shorter files so that reading all of them takes 10 mins |
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| 08:04.50 | jpinx | I did the netinstall in a vm and selected nothing to be installed cos I want a skinny squeeze, so I installed lxde by hand and nodm and xinit, but the x is not starting at boot. What have I missed ? |
| 08:04.54 | krion | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/166798/ |
| 08:05.17 | krion | nsadmin: yes i could do that, you suggest gentoo or gnu hello ? |
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| 08:06.47 | nsadmin | gentoo? that's a linux dist |
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| 08:07.30 | nsadmin | try gnu hello, and look first at the one that comes from gnu.org (so, no debian influence) |
| 08:07.32 | krion | nsadmin: it's also a gtk file manager, it's the one in example in the maint-guide |
| 08:07.34 | nsadmin | read ALL files |
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| 08:07.55 | nsadmin | you're a C programmer? |
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| 08:08.19 | Mikha`el | arent we all :P |
| 08:08.19 | krion | not that much, but would understand an hello world program without problem |
| 08:08.33 | Mikha`el | heh |
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| 08:09.04 | nsadmin | Mikha`el, nope :) I am, you haven't said, krion, not sure :) |
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| 08:09.35 | Mikha`el | im c++ mostly |
| 08:09.57 | nsadmin | right now, mostly tcl and pgsql |
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| 08:10.43 | Mikha`el | i know the tcl xchat plugin guy, daniel, hes a nudist heh |
| 08:10.55 | Mikha`el | NEVER go to his website, yikes lol |
| 08:11.16 | Mikha`el | has his own irc server too lol |
| 08:12.50 | Mikha`el | so who knows about deb's nvidia driver, nvidia-xconfig doesnt add 'glx' to xorg.conf's module section, but 3d acceleration is working now |
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| 08:13.16 | Mikha`el | the newer backport driver seems to be working so far |
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| 08:14.04 | Mikha`el | is the old information for manually adding it outdated? |
| 08:15.05 | Mikha`el | i had to add it for the older driver, but something seems to auto load it now outside of xorg.conf, or am i missing something |
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| 08:19.46 | nsadmin | krion, so another thing I would suggest to you, is learn C |
| 08:20.21 | nyuszika7h | Hi, when I'm trying to start OSS I get this error: |
| 08:20.24 | nyuszika7h | nyuszika7h@cadoth ~ |
| 08:20.25 | nyuszika7h | % sudo service oss4-base start |
| 08:20.27 | nyuszika7h | Starting Open Sound System: failed (No kernel modules detected). |
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| 08:21.11 | krion | nsadmin: i know C ! |
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| 08:22.11 | krion | i know how to do hello world :) |
| 08:22.25 | krion | nsadmin: my main goal was to create a package the debian way |
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| 08:23.04 | krion | nsadmin: but for sure, fully understand the process would be better |
| 08:23.40 | nyuszika7h | Anyone got ideas how to fix that issue with OSS? |
| 08:23.50 | nsadmin | oh, I was under the impression you thoght your knowledge was weak ("not that much, but would understand an hello world program without problem"); I don't mind either way, but if you feel weakness, there are a LOT of reasources to help make you very strong |
| 08:24.36 | krion | nsadmin: fyi i fix my problem this way http://paste.debian.net/166802/ |
| 08:24.43 | nsadmin | yay :) |
| 08:24.54 | krion | nsadmin: it is weak |
| 08:25.10 | krion | i read the k&r :) |
| 08:25.37 | krion | is it enough for me to said "i know C", don't think so |
| 08:26.23 | krion | like i like to said |
| 08:26.38 | krion | "i could write sentence, but i would never write a book" |
| 08:26.38 | nsadmin | you may find that useful... as well as deitel and deitel. additionally, Holub "The C Companion" which is meant to go with a primer as an advanced companion |
| 08:27.00 | krion | "i could write a program's function, but i would never write a program" |
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| 08:27.06 | nsadmin | the next level would be paragraph :) |
| 08:27.13 | krion | (yes a function is a program but you get my point :)) |
| 08:27.28 | nsadmin | sure |
| 08:27.40 | nsadmin | and, keep going with the inquiry you're on! |
| 08:28.02 | krion | i'm a sysadmin. my real weakness is that i don't have "programmer's logic" if you see what i mean |
| 08:28.36 | krion | when i'm try to automate a process, i end up with four for loop embedded in each other :) |
| 08:28.58 | nsadmin | so, the reason I suggest learning C is you can look at a program and come to understand pieces for purposes of determining possible problems |
| 08:29.39 | nsadmin | what language do you mostly use for automating? |
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| 08:29.54 | krion | perl python shell |
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| 08:30.02 | krion | php :) |
| 08:30.27 | krion | i rather take piece from here and there and glue them together... |
| 08:30.30 | nsadmin | yeah, that sounds good... tcl is also a good choice, the maints never add incompatible stuff |
| 08:30.36 | krion | it works, most of the time |
| 08:30.44 | krion | when it doesn't i bother people on irc :D |
| 08:31.02 | krion | i did a lot of perl |
| 08:31.04 | nyuszika7h | wonders can anyone help him |
| 08:31.30 | krion | still not good at it, but when it comes to open file, parse it, and write new one, i can (almost) do it |
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| 08:31.45 | nsadmin | nyuszika7h, hmm. with what? |
| 08:31.52 | krion | nyuszika7h: don't wonder of wondering, just ask :) |
| 08:31.59 | nyuszika7h | I did ask :P |
| 08:32.07 | nyuszika7h | 10:20:22 nyuszika7h | nyuszika7h@cadoth ~ |
| 08:32.09 | nyuszika7h | 10:20:22 nyuszika7h | % sudo service oss4-base start |
| 08:32.11 | nyuszika7h | 10:20:22 nyuszika7h | Starting Open Sound System: failed (No kernel modules detected). |
| 08:32.22 | nyuszika7h | Note: this runs in Xen and has no X11 |
| 08:32.42 | krion | isn't oss a bit old ? |
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| 08:33.41 | nsadmin | some people do not like alsa |
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| 08:34.07 | valdyn | !oss4 |
| 08:34.07 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged since Debian Squeeze. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:35.11 | nyuszika7h | It's not not liking, I just want audio over SSH :P |
| 08:35.23 | nyuszika7h | And PulseAudio has lots of X11 dependencies |
| 08:35.31 | valdyn | nyuszika7h: no |
| 08:35.33 | nyuszika7h | It doesn't work properly without dbus, and even when I installed that it failed |
| 08:36.10 | nyuszika7h | Well, it still needs dbus it seems |
| 08:36.22 | valdyn | nyuszika7h: probably not even that |
| 08:36.22 | nyuszika7h | And when I installed dbus, it complained about X11 missing |
| 08:36.27 | valdyn | nyuszika7h: its quite modular |
| 08:36.56 | nyuszika7h | So what should I do for audio to work over SSH? |
| 08:36.58 | nyuszika7h | nyuszika7h@cadoth ~ |
| 08:37.00 | nyuszika7h | % pulseaudio |
| 08:37.02 | nyuszika7h | W: main.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. |
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| 08:39.27 | nyuszika7h | Hmm... even if that's possible, I should stop being lazy and replace Windows with something like Debian... (where I already have Debian is my VPS) |
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| 08:44.10 | Camber | Hey guys, silly question here, is it apt-get update and apt-get upgrade that keeps the server software up-to-date? Anything else I should do? |
| 08:44.39 | valdyn | Camber: read the documentation to get proper understanding of what each of those commands do |
| 08:45.40 | Camber | valdyn: Ok, will do, but is there anything else I should run to keep the software up-to-date on a web server? And how often would you say is good practice of running those? |
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| 08:46.36 | valdyn | Camber: you should use somthing like cron-apt configured to send an email to you on updates |
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| 08:47.05 | nsadmin | Camber, actually the conversation right now is somewhat meaningless until you do read up on the commands you're using |
| 08:47.14 | valdyn | Camber: and security.debian.org should be in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:47.56 | Camber | It is, thanks :) |
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| 08:48.41 | valdyn | Camber: oh and thinking (years) ahead you should monitor the EOL of your release |
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| 08:49.29 | Camber | So I update the package index, and then upgrade those packages. |
| 08:49.47 | nsadmin | personally I would use dist-upgrade |
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| 08:50.17 | nsadmin | (as you say, after updating the package indices) |
| 08:51.01 | Camber | Ok thanks. How often are there usually upgrades for the commonly used packages? |
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| 08:51.22 | valdyn | Camber: rarely |
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| 08:51.41 | nsadmin | especially on stable, usually that's never |
| 08:51.44 | valdyn | Camber: its just security fixes, we cant predict those |
| 08:52.05 | valdyn | Camber: so like 3 in a week, then nothing in a year |
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| 08:53.01 | nsadmin | unless there are important security fixes or else fixes which if not applied would affect other packages |
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| 08:53.24 | Camber | Would you advise backing up before these upgrades? I couldn't imagine a history of new bugs from a security fix. |
| 08:54.52 | nsadmin | of course |
| 08:55.14 | valdyn | Camber: you should already be doing backups |
| 08:55.26 | nsadmin | in fact, I would recommend that you actually have a backup plan |
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| 08:55.55 | Camber | Haha, I thought the answer might be something along those lines. Ok, I'm going to back it up and update, then dist-upgrade. Thanks for your help guys. |
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| 08:57.55 | nsadmin | the truth is, upgrading is an extreme action in all cases. |
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| 08:58.35 | valdyn | i find the risk of doing something stupid is alot higher than the risk imposed by upgrades |
| 08:58.36 | nsadmin | debian just happens to try really hard to make such upgrades easy and smooth... most of the time successfully |
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| 08:59.24 | Camber | I wasn't aware of that. Well, thankfully it's on VMware so a backup (and rollback if required) should be nice and easy. |
| 08:59.30 | nsadmin | valdyn, stupid could be standing in the middle of 73rd and macarthur, waving your hands and yellinhg a lot |
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| 09:00.16 | nsadmin | that would be stupid, and possibly fataly so :) |
| 09:00.39 | Camber | Should I backup my person before doing that then? :P |
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| 09:03.14 | nsadmin | Camber, your person with dir off /home? |
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| 09:05.15 | Camber | I feel like Joseph Gordon-Levitt whenever I create a snapshot of the webserver because I'm using a mac, and I need to login to a Windows VM to open Vsphere, to create a snapshot of a debian server. We must go deeper! |
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| 09:06.09 | nsadmin | aaaaannnnnndd... the complexity just quadrupled :) |
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| 09:07.18 | Camber | Haha, I opened VMware, and it needs to update before logging in. I'll get into Windows, and there'll probably be a windows update, and then VSphere is also VM so that'll probably have to update. This is going to be my entire day, isn't it :P |
| 09:07.21 | nsadmin | so, you have a debian installation on a mac, on something like a vserver or xen or something along those lines? |
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| 09:08.51 | Camber | No debian is installed on a server, connecting to it via vsphere on windows on vm on mac lmao! |
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| 09:09.31 | nsadmin | or more basically, do you have a debian that (can) run at the same time as other oses installed on the machine? (I take it you have an intel mac, core something duo and 64 bit, and running all three oses?) |
| 09:09.49 | nsadmin | oh, three separate machines each running one of the three? |
| 09:10.22 | tatty | Hi, Can I install debian on my new macbook? |
| 09:10.49 | nsadmin | probably |
| 09:10.58 | Camber | Yeah separate machines. Debian is on a VM on an actual server. Windows is on a vm on my mac. It's a maze! |
| 09:11.21 | nsadmin | tatty I would STRONGLY recommend you back up your hard drive first |
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| 09:11.48 | nsadmin | a twisty maze of vms, all alike? |
| 09:12.34 | Camber | It's a wonder that is actually works. |
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| 09:13.07 | Camber | tatty: Hey, I have an idea, get yourself VMware! :P |
| 09:13.56 | tatty | Hmm. Not a bad idea. Anuways i was thinking about dual booting |
| 09:14.41 | nsadmin | that would involve reducing the mac partition and making new partitions for the linux? |
| 09:15.45 | tatty | I think so |
| 09:15.57 | nsadmin | maybe consider small partition for /boot and the rest an LVM parttiont |
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| 09:16.51 | tatty | Will debian make any device driver problem on mac? |
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| 09:17.43 | nsadmin | example? |
| 09:18.12 | krion | lvm is very good stuff |
| 09:18.31 | tatty | Like not finding wireless card driver |
| 09:18.48 | tatty | Or touchpad not working |
| 09:18.52 | nsadmin | maybe, we don't know yet |
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| 09:19.18 | xand | you probably won't get debian stable to boot on a new mac |
| 09:19.23 | xand | testing should be ok though |
| 09:19.31 | tatty | Hm |
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| 09:19.53 | tatty | I guess I ll install debian on my old desktop then |
| 09:20.15 | tatty | Its a pentiun dual core with ong gb ram |
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| 09:20.30 | nsadmin | that's a good start |
| 09:20.36 | Bartzy | What is the difference between dpkg -b and debuild ? |
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| 09:21.12 | themill | Bartzy: dpkg only creates the .deb it doesn't do any compiling |
| 09:21.53 | tatty | And deb file may contain or maynot contain executable file |
| 09:22.24 | Bartzy | themill: And debuild compiles what ? How do I get the debianized source to compile ? via dh-make-X packages ? |
| 09:22.53 | nsadmin | correct |
| 09:23.06 | themill | Bartzy: dpkg-buildpackage is the normal way (unless you want something fancy like a clean build chroot). /msg dpkg package recompile; /msg dpkg nmg |
| 09:23.09 | nsadmin | a deb file might not contain anything |
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| 09:23.52 | tatty | On gui desktop i can extract deb file bt right clicking |
| 09:24.06 | tatty | Can extract from command line? |
| 09:24.15 | themill | nsadmin: actually, a deb file must contain something, but it might not contain any interesting files for the user. |
| 09:24.17 | tatty | (a deb file) |
| 09:24.18 | themill | tatty: dpkg -x |
| 09:24.20 | Bartzy | themill: Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! |
| 09:24.25 | Bartzy | I should installed the package "pgp" for that ? |
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| 09:24.39 | valdyn | Bartzy: gnupg |
| 09:24.41 | themill | Bartzy: use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" to skip signing. Did you read dpkg's factoid yet? |
| 09:25.02 | themill | the reason I ask is that it tells you to do that... |
| 09:25.08 | moty66_ | is it normal to have error during apt-get dist-upgrade to wheezy ? |
| 09:25.11 | Bartzy | themill: I'm reading some blog post that says to use debuild, I guess because dpkg -b doesn't compile ? dpkg-buildpackage compiles ? |
| 09:25.34 | moty66_ | var/cache/apt/archives/mythes-it_2.0.7.gh.deb1-4_all.deb |
| 09:25.36 | moty66_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:25.42 | nsadmin | tatty, a deb file is an ar file which contains a text file... version 2 (a 2 will be in the text fiel) also has two tarballs |
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| 09:25.54 | themill | Bartzy: read the first paragraph of man debuild... |
| 09:26.13 | Bartzy | themill: Yeah just read it. |
| 09:26.16 | Bartzy | So why not run debuild ? |
| 09:26.33 | themill | Bartzy: do you care about running lintian? |
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| 09:27.17 | Bartzy | themill: I don't know what it does 100%. When should I care ? |
| 09:27.17 | themill | (it's just a wrapper around a wrapper that's a wrapper around yet another wrapper... TIMTOWTDI) |
| 09:27.32 | themill | Bartzy: unless it's your package, you probably don't |
| 09:27.43 | txm | Morning. I want to override an AWS host in my local /etc/hosts but it's not working. I've checked the order in host.conf and nsswitch.conf - any ideas? TIA |
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| 09:28.52 | lukash_ | Hi all. Recently some guy from this channel gave me a reference on how to port sid deb package to squeeze. Anyone know how to do this? Thank you |
| 09:29.00 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 09:29.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 09:29.04 | valdyn | lukash_: ^^ |
| 09:29.50 | lukash_ | valdyn, that's it! Thank you |
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| 09:36.09 | Bartzy | themill: Can you explain further about that (lintian) ? |
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| 09:36.49 | moty66 | is it normal that /var/cache/apt/archives/mythes-it_2.0.7.gh.deb1-4_all.deb break the dist-upgrade from squeeze -> wheezy ? do I have to fire a bug ? |
| 09:37.19 | Bartzy | There is a dpkg clean build method ? |
| 09:37.21 | Bartzy | like make clean? |
| 09:37.36 | Bartzy | if I did dpkg-buildpackage and compilation failed and stuff happened, and I want to start from a clean slate ? |
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| 09:40.48 | scientes_ | <themill> (it's just a wrapper around a wrapper that's a wrapper around yet another wrapper... TIMTOWTDI) |
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| 09:40.56 | scientes_ | whats TIMTOWTDI? |
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| 09:41.15 | Bartzy | There is more than one way to do it |
| 09:41.17 | fbs | TIMTOWTDI |
| 09:41.17 | fbs | (Internet) There is more than one way to do it (a motto of the Perl programming language). |
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| 09:44.25 | nsadmin | tim tow titti? |
| 09:45.24 | nsadmin | otherwise, it's hard to remember that acronym |
| 09:45.40 | scientes_ | titti titti titt |
| 09:45.51 | scientes_ | rat ta tat tat |
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| 09:52.39 | moty66 | any idea about how to fix this http://paste.debian.net/166814/ |
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| 09:53.11 | moty66 | I just wanted to test the dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on a VM |
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| 09:55.54 | Poenikatu | moty66: Try the command "apt-get -f install" |
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| 09:56.27 | moty66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.52 | moty66 | is just did that from a working copy squeeze |
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| 10:08.31 | scientes_ | g' |
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| 10:11.06 | Poenikatu | moty66: can't help you there. your paste shows that you are working in italian which I don't speak, so it's difficult to know what to say |
| 10:11.48 | moty66 | Poenikatu: the problem come from the package printer-driver-foo2zjs |
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| 10:16.50 | dokma|2 | running stable on sda1 on remote dedicated box and sda2 under lvm. any way to mount netinstall iso somewhere and run it to install on sda2?? |
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| 10:17.17 | Poenikatu | moty66: I have that pkg myself. I've had no problems with it. |
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| 10:29.31 | DelphiWorld | hello folks |
| 10:29.40 | pjc_ | hi |
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| 10:31.06 | DelphiWorld | Hey all. i'm having an issue Installing my own Compiled kernel. kernel compiled/deb built, but fail to install. any help ? http://dpaste.com/740776/ |
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| 10:31.32 | MrNaz_out | where is the libmp3lame package? it used to be in the main repos... |
| 10:31.48 | DelphiWorld | pjc_: Power Java Compiler ;) |
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| 10:34.47 | pjc_ | uuuugh java |
| 10:35.16 | DelphiWorld | pjc_: your nickname:P |
| 10:35.17 | Poenikatu | The internet appears to be chock-a-block at the moment. The response time is awful |
| 10:35.26 | DelphiWorld | P=Power, J=Java, C=Compiler pjc_ :p |
| 10:35.37 | DelphiWorld | Poenikatu: where? |
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| 10:39.16 | DelphiWorld | can someone help :( http://dpaste.com/740776/ |
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| 10:40.13 | DelphiWorld | i don't have /dev/DSP |
| 10:40.18 | DelphiWorld | any package needed to install ? |
| 10:42.40 | bensons | DelphiWorld: check if you have initramfs-tools installed |
| 10:43.03 | nsadmin | never heard of /dev/DSP |
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| 10:43.26 | nsadmin | do you have /proc/asound? |
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| 10:44.40 | boston8372 | anyone know why this is creating a zero byte file: find /etc -exec cat {} \; | strings > /tmp/etc-dir.txt |
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| 10:45.07 | boston8372 | according to the blog supposed to look for text like files and glom them all together into that text file |
| 10:45.26 | bensons | boston8372: use >> instead of > |
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| 10:46.50 | ratz | hi friends |
| 10:47.32 | dokma | anyone got a clue how to install another debian instance from a running one? |
| 10:47.44 | ratz | i am trying to connect to windows share using smbmount, and it is also mounting, but i m not able to use the data as it is mounted as root. can some1 pls help me? |
| 10:47.52 | nsadmin | dokma, look into debootstrap |
| 10:48.08 | dokma | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 10:50.43 | DelphiWorld | bensons: +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 |
| 10:50.49 | DelphiWorld | bensons: Done DUDE. thank you a lot |
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| 10:51.00 | ratz | can someone please help me, i am using smbmount and i need to mount as a non-root user |
| 10:51.33 | bensons | DelphiWorld: :) |
| 10:52.10 | nsadmin | mount is normally a root-only operation... if the mount is in /etc/fstab, then you can mount that one samba share on that one dir |
| 10:52.36 | ratz | oh ok |
| 10:52.46 | ratz | nsadmin: thanx |
| 10:52.54 | nsadmin | you also have to have "user" in the parameter list |
| 10:53.15 | DelphiWorld | you rocks bensons thank you a lot |
| 10:53.27 | bensons | i would go for the user parameter :) |
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| 10:55.27 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld, you might want to check docs and disassemble the solution so that (1) you can understand it more completely and (2) you get more practice reading tecnical material |
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| 10:55.57 | bensons | nsadmin: i would add (3) start to read error messages ;) |
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| 10:57.01 | nsadmin | read and try to figure out/understand, agreed |
| 10:57.06 | ratz | nsadmin: in that case what will my fstab look like? |
| 10:57.26 | DelphiWorld | bensons: how do i get /dev/dsp device on my dev? i don't see it |
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| 10:58.37 | bensons | DelphiWorld: i dont have that device on linux, maybe it was there years ago. better check the application if it supports alsa |
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| 10:59.57 | Doodu | http://www.facebook.com/TBNew/info |
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| 11:00.44 | DelphiWorld | bensons: anyway i want oss :) |
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| 11:01.59 | nsadmin | generally, it's <device> <mountPt> <fstype> <optionList> <dump> <passNumber> |
| 11:02.16 | fasta | Which program can show which program uses the Internet ordered by amount o f data transferred? |
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| 11:02.27 | bensons | DelphiWorld: i doubt that :) |
| 11:02.42 | DelphiWorld | bensons: anyway i use DarkIce |
| 11:03.45 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld, at this point oss might be out of the tree |
| 11:03.48 | bensons | DelphiWorld: ah yes but it supports alsa |
| 11:04.01 | DelphiWorld | bensons: ok DUDE, nsadmin :P |
| 11:04.06 | DelphiWorld | how to specify the alsa device then ? |
| 11:04.30 | nsadmin | which means you might still be able to get it |
| 11:04.51 | simonlnu | oss4 |
| 11:05.03 | nsadmin | package name? |
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| 11:05.16 | nsadmin | dpkg, you're LATE |
| 11:05.16 | dpkg | nsadmin: I give up, what is it? |
| 11:05.36 | simonlnu | oss4-dkms-modules or similar |
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| 11:05.48 | nsadmin | let's look |
| 11:06.00 | nsadmin | (and, thanks) |
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| 11:06.11 | simonlnu | ,name oss4* |
| 11:06.31 | simonlnu | ,name *oss4* |
| 11:06.46 | simonlnu | blah |
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| 11:08.21 | Poenikatu | Anybody else experiencing problems with surfing at the moment? |
| 11:08.45 | nsadmin | oss4-base oss4-dev oss4-dkms oss4-gtk |
| 11:08.53 | DelphiWorld | Poenikatu: Country :P |
| 11:09.03 | simonlnu | no, mu surfboard is nice and waxed |
| 11:09.03 | DelphiWorld | Poenikatu: i don't have any issue, downloading 1.5mbit/s |
| 11:09.07 | simonlnu | my* |
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| 11:09.14 | nsadmin | where is the moment, and how's the surfing there?! |
| 11:09.26 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: DUDE, oss4 installed. |
| 11:09.44 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: would i need to load it ? |
| 11:09.56 | DelphiWorld | rebooted and i have nothing still, simonlnu |
| 11:10.00 | simonlnu | check your lsmod |
| 11:10.43 | simonlnu | this is assuming a lot, fyi. a) there's driver for your box b) it built properly ;p |
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| 11:11.49 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: http://pastebin.com/q1i8xmcx |
| 11:11.53 | calrogman | Happy CC All Your Emails To Theresa May Day. |
| 11:12.18 | nsadmin | what's a theresa may? |
| 11:12.33 | Sevet | fasta: don't know of any by *program*... plenty by stream (iftop,wireshark,others)... you could try asking in #networking |
| 11:12.48 | calrogman | nsadmin: The Home Secretary of the United Kingdom |
| 11:13.13 | DelphiWorld | Sevet is here? LAUL! |
| 11:13.18 | simonlnu | DelphiWorld: um, you're assuming i know what your audio device. |
| 11:13.27 | simonlnu | is |
| 11:13.36 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: mine should be a intel or realtek;) |
| 11:13.40 | fasta | Sevet: isn't that just a *nix limitation? |
| 11:13.56 | fasta | Sevet: in that Linux is not an integrated system? |
| 11:14.28 | simonlnu | if by integrated you mean crippled, no, it isn't |
| 11:15.06 | simonlnu | the mini-police state known as windows |
| 11:15.42 | fasta | simonlnu: no, by integrated, I mean that for every piece of data there are callbacks. |
| 11:15.44 | simonlnu | DelphiWorld: it doesn't look like you have any audio loaded there |
| 11:15.54 | DelphiWorld | yes simonlnu |
| 11:15.56 | Poenikatu | Where? |
| 11:16.02 | fasta | simonlnu: and preferably those callbacks are already being used by some applications. |
| 11:16.06 | simonlnu | fasta: that's windows. 2 different oses |
| 11:16.08 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: evean in /etc/modules i don't see the audio module |
| 11:16.14 | DelphiWorld | i see only loop and dvb module |
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| 11:16.33 | Poenikatu | I've just had a torrent complete. Now that's news |
| 11:16.36 | simonlnu | DelphiWorld: modprobe whatever the oss4-dkms built for your machine |
| 11:16.36 | fasta | simonlnu: on Windows then this task can be done and on Linux it can't. How can that possibly be good for Linux? |
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| 11:16.50 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: LOL? how do i know it? |
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| 11:17.03 | simonlnu | DelphiWorld: it's called ls |
| 11:17.18 | nsadmin | fasta, do you have a debian support question? presently you're off topic |
| 11:17.31 | fasta | nsadmin: uhm, I was looking for a program. |
| 11:17.49 | fasta | nsadmin: and then I gave a comment about Linux architecture. |
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| 11:17.58 | Poenikatu | DelphiWorld: That's fast. And I'm in the UK |
| 11:18.01 | fasta | nsadmin: then someone might say that the comment is wrong. |
| 11:18.09 | DelphiWorld | Poenikatu: i'm in algeria |
| 11:18.13 | nsadmin | and then you compared to another operating system... also, your reputation preceeds you |
| 11:18.15 | fasta | nsadmin: but what simonlnu is ridiculous. |
| 11:18.22 | abrotman | fasta: what linux program are you looking for ? |
| 11:18.31 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu, where's the kernel modules stored? path? |
| 11:18.41 | fasta | nsadmin: I did not say Windows. |
| 11:18.42 | simonlnu | fasta: programs typically will use an open port to open a connection to a remote host. conntrack can keep track of this, but not the application name unless you see it while it's still in ESTABLISHED and not timed out. |
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| 11:18.57 | fasta | nsadmin: so.. please target the right person. |
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| 11:19.19 | simonlnu | fasta: netstat can help, plus ps |
| 11:19.39 | simonlnu | might want to check out lsof too (-n option) |
| 11:19.54 | nsadmin | fasta, don't get me started. abrotman is offering to be of some help to you, please take it. |
| 11:20.04 | simonlnu | DelphiWorld: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 11:20.11 | fasta | simonlnu: if Linux was a better system it would dynamically recompile itself to include the requested information. |
| 11:20.25 | simonlnu | *blink* |
| 11:20.36 | simonlnu | *facepalm* |
| 11:20.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:20.56 | fasta | simonlnu: then there would not be any costs for people running servers. |
| 11:20.57 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu, nothing :( http://pastebin.com/LtzSQr01 |
| 11:21.03 | lasers | I have a question about autossh. What's the benefits of using it over (say... ssh and its keepalive config stuffs)? |
| 11:21.09 | simonlnu | fasta: what?! |
| 11:21.10 | abrotman | fasta: perhaps you'd prefer #debian-offtopic to rant |
| 11:21.14 | fasta | simonlnu: your reaction suggests that you have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 11:21.26 | fasta | simonlnu: you are clearly not the right person to talk to. Sorry for bothering you. |
| 11:21.46 | simonlnu | fasta: take off the winders blinders |
| 11:22.18 | abrotman | wonders which OS dynamically recompiles binaries |
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| 11:22.38 | Poenikatu | fasta: Don't worry. Some ppl here are fastidious about what's said. They probably have liver problems |
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| 11:23.10 | fasta | abrotman: if you don't know, you don't know a lot about operating system design. |
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| 11:23.46 | simonlnu | fasta: so mr. high and mighty know-it-all, what os does this, the? illuminate us oh great high poobah. |
| 11:23.54 | simonlnu | then* |
| 11:24.11 | nsadmin | this is tiring... would someone care to offer fasta a timeout? |
| 11:24.14 | fasta | simonlnu: if I tell you, will you treat me with some more respect? |
| 11:24.28 | lasers | fasta: simonlnu is right. lsof can do the job, slurm, iftop, iptraf? there are many more. |
| 11:24.32 | simonlnu | stop being such a pompous ass, and i will |
| 11:24.32 | abrotman | nsadmin: you can put him on /ignore if you prefer .. i'd rather he answer some basic questions about what he's looking for |
| 11:24.42 | fasta | simonlnu: Synthesis OS did this. |
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| 11:24.55 | fasta | It was designed to get rid of buffer bloat too. |
| 11:25.01 | simonlnu | and where is it now? *poof* |
| 11:25.09 | Cirbri | ANy idea how I can find out what the ./configure command was for a dpkg package? |
| 11:25.17 | simonlnu | enough ot shite. *plonk* |
| 11:25.20 | fasta | I am sure one could get it to work. |
| 11:25.34 | Cirbri | I've downloaded the source in apt. Now I'm stuck. |
| 11:25.37 | abrotman | fasta: the experiemtnal OS that was never used for anything real ? |
| 11:25.40 | nsadmin | abrotman, I wish you good luck... fasta, he wants to help you. PLEASE let him, and help him to do that. |
| 11:25.41 | fasta | The JVM also does similar things now. |
| 11:25.42 | dawud | Cirbri: debian/rules in the source pkg maybe? |
| 11:25.51 | Cirbri | dawud: Sounds good. |
| 11:26.00 | abrotman | the JVM doesn't dynamically recompile libraries |
| 11:26.19 | fasta | abrotman: sorry, but I think you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. |
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| 11:26.54 | fasta | I think it's just that you people are system administrators and as such have no compiler/operating system design knowledge. |
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| 11:27.06 | abrotman | fasta: point us at the URL for Sythesis OS |
| 11:27.09 | fasta | As such, I shouldn't be talking to you about these subjects here. |
| 11:27.10 | abrotman | Synthesis |
| 11:27.14 | DelphiWorld | be nice fasta |
| 11:27.15 | ladowacharpuny | can i on fly made encryption on (USB, so no system) HDD? because I don't have where copy this files because have no space on other HDD |
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| 11:27.45 | abrotman | fasta: if you would like to continue, use #debian-offtopic .. you've gone beyond th scope of this channel, and you're being rude to those trying to help |
| 11:27.48 | lasers | a quiet troll is a nice troll. |
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| 11:28.05 | abrotman | troll or confused .. you decide |
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| 11:28.53 | nsadmin | ok, so if he's confused... it seems mostly social |
| 11:29.07 | lasers | abrotman: can't it be both? a confused troll. |
| 11:29.23 | abrotman | troll is intentional, confused is ignorance |
| 11:29.42 | bensons | i liked his idea :) |
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| 11:30.08 | nsadmin | ok, so if it's unintentional, it's because he's feeling stuff and having problems controlling it |
| 11:30.36 | dawud | I've seen recently the inclusion of the first packages of the the freeipa server in wheezy/sid, and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/ shows 389 and others are being worked on, has any of you already tried to use it on Debian? |
| 11:30.59 | lasers | lol, okay, i have a question regarding autossh in case you all missed it. :o |
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| 11:31.04 | lasers | I have a question about autossh. What's the benefits of using it over (say... ssh and its keepalive config stuffs)? |
| 11:31.22 | DelphiWorld | nice action abrotman |
| 11:31.48 | dawud | lasers: I don't use autossh, keepalive is enough for me |
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| 11:32.41 | lasers | dawud: Hmm. Noted. |
| 11:32.58 | dawud | lasers: others may have another insights, though |
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| 11:42.33 | dawud | abrotman: only found this https://lwn.net/Articles/270081, contains some links |
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| 11:42.53 | abrotman | i read it |
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| 11:43.42 | wart___ | hi folks. i'm not a debian user (i was many many many years ago), but I want to compile a debian/ubuntu package (xorg-input-evdev) since you'all apply some patches I need. So i grabbed the lp: via bzr and I notice there's a debian/patches directory; those patches are not applied. |
| 11:44.01 | wart___ | What is the patch command to patch? patch -p0 foo.patch ../../src/ didn't work. |
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| 11:45.02 | wart___ | do i need some utility called quilt? |
| 11:45.26 | jelly-hme | wart___: it depends on whether you want a single patch or the whole set |
| 11:45.32 | jelly-hme | quilt helps with the latter |
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| 11:45.43 | dokma | does GRUB2 use menu.lst |
| 11:45.52 | jelly-hme | dokma: no |
| 11:46.14 | dokma | so when I finished the conversion to GRUB2 I can remove menu.lst? |
| 11:46.35 | wart___ | jelly-hme: i just want to apply each patch one at a time |
| 11:46.44 | wart___ | there's a series file which tells me the appropriate order |
| 11:47.49 | jelly-hme | wart___: so use "patch" then. |
| 11:48.03 | DelphiWorld | question guys; how do i tel grub to load a specific kernel? |
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| 11:48.29 | wart___ | so i'm in xserver-xorg-input-evdev/ which has a src/ subdir a debian/patches subdir; i ran patch -p0 < debian/patches/100-xi2.1.patch |
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| 11:48.49 | wart___ | ah p1 |
| 11:48.51 | wart___ | i'm silly |
| 11:48.51 | wart___ | sorry |
| 11:49.28 | themill | wart___: patches in debian/patches are (normally) automatically applied at build time |
| 11:49.52 | dawud | DelphiWorld: by choosing it: move the cursors up and down :-D (...kidding) |
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| 11:50.06 | wart___ | themill: well i just noticed that they weren't applied to the source itself; and so obviously ./configure && make && make install wouldn't have them applied |
| 11:50.07 | babilen | themill: AFAIU wart___ is compiling the Debian package on a non-Debian system |
| 11:50.11 | wart___ | maybe you mean something else by "build time" |
| 11:50.13 | themill | wart___: and given that looks like a package using the 3.0 (quilt) format, you can "quilt push" and "quilt pop" them |
| 11:50.24 | dawud | DelphiWorld: you mean how do you include it in the menu? |
| 11:50.26 | themill | babilen: ahh |
| 11:50.46 | DelphiWorld | dawud: no, my grub is booting 3.2 now. how do i boot the default debian stable kernel? |
| 11:51.10 | themill | wart___: "build time" meaning what dpkg does... I'm guessing you don't want to port dpkg-dev to this other platform first :) |
| 11:51.12 | dawud | DelphiWorld: is it installed? does it show up in the grub menu at boot time? |
| 11:51.36 | DelphiWorld | dawud: no, i don't need to chouse it. i am blind and it's out of use for myself at boot time |
| 11:51.47 | wart___ | themill: nope; but thanks! my bug was pebcak: i was doing -p0 not -p1 |
| 11:52.08 | dawud | DelphiWorld: so you need to make it default choice |
| 11:52.25 | DelphiWorld | dawud: i'm guessing i totaly fucked up my debian install right now :( |
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| 11:52.37 | dawud | DelphiWorld: why? |
| 11:52.49 | DelphiWorld | dawud: it's not evean booting up right now... saaaaaaaaaad:( |
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| 11:53.44 | lasers | DelphiWorld: I think you have to hold SHIFT at boot to display hidden menu? |
| 11:53.45 | dawud | you might need a rescue cd (systemrescuecd) and some help, but most probably it can be recovered |
| 11:54.15 | DelphiWorld | dawud, lasers: i can't read it myself. the issue is that no tts for me in the boot menu. |
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| 11:54.54 | milkwoofer | Hi, which branch is the better tradeoff for new vs stability, testing or unstable? |
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| 11:55.33 | DelphiWorld | dawud: Lucky. it's up |
| 11:55.48 | DelphiWorld | but still runing 3.3.2 |
| 11:55.50 | lasers | DelphiWorld: If I have to guess, I'm certain that TTY comes after kernel boot. Try rebooting. Hold SHIFT and see if kernel menu came up. Select default. It won't hurt to try. |
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| 11:56.25 | DelphiWorld | lasers: ok, otherthings: |
| 11:56.40 | DelphiWorld | lasers: how can i see boot process using serial? with grub through RS232 |
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| 11:57.08 | lasers | DelphiWorld: I don't know. Somebody else will have to answer that. Also, #grub ? |
| 11:57.16 | DelphiWorld | :) |
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| 11:58.45 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: you can't do that using debhelper ? |
| 11:58.50 | abrotman | do what? |
| 11:59.02 | abrotman | it's a script .. and not sure we'd want debhelper doing that |
| 11:59.07 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: mute/unmute/ban/kick/... ? |
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| 12:03.20 | nannes | !bug 640882 |
| 12:03.30 | wart___ | ok. so i applied all the patches in the patches directory, one afte rthe other, and they were successful (there's only three) following the order in the 'series' file |
| 12:03.45 | wart___ | but i'm getting compilation errors, so i'm guessing debian does more than just apply those patches :p |
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| 12:04.14 | themill | wart___: you'd need to look at what's in debian/rules (and do you have all the build-dependencies installed?) |
| 12:04.27 | wart___ | themill: well it compiles without the patches |
| 12:04.36 | wart___ | so i'm guessing i have the build deps unless a patch adds a new one |
| 12:04.38 | wart___ | i'll check 'rules' |
| 12:05.00 | DelphiWorld | Where's the grub config file? |
| 12:05.00 | DelphiWorld | d |
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| 12:05.18 | themill | DelphiWorld: /etc/grub.d/ |
| 12:05.35 | lasers | DelphiWorld: /etc/default/grub |
| 12:05.45 | dokma | when I run VirtualBox remote over ssh the display is ridiculously slow. I have to wait 2-3 minutes just to open the menu |
| 12:05.55 | dokma | is there anything that can be done about it? |
| 12:06.44 | themill | DelphiWorld: yeah, /etc/default/grub is where you normally tweak things -- that gets fed into /etc/grub.d/ that you wouldn't normally need to touch |
| 12:06.58 | DelphiWorld | themill: :=) |
| 12:07.03 | wart___ | themill: thanks, 'rules' looks like what I want, although I'll have to reverse engineer it somewhat |
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| 12:07.14 | lasers | Don't forget to update-grub! :o |
| 12:07.25 | themill | wart___: it's a makefile but it probably relies on debhelper to do a lot of the work. |
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| 12:09.58 | DelphiWorld | themill, lasers, i don't see the boot menu entry's there :( |
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| 12:11.18 | fasta | . |
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| 12:12.55 | ganz | hi |
| 12:12.55 | ganz | I'm trying to compile libc from sources but I get this error |
| 12:12.55 | ganz | http://paste.debian.net/166836/ |
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| 12:14.33 | lasers | DelphiWorld: Crap. :| |
| 12:14.38 | DelphiWorld | lasers: LOL |
| 12:15.37 | Sevet | ganz: that sounds like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406136, but that bug was fixed in 2.3.6.ds1-10 in 2007... |
| 12:16.16 | themill | ganz: out of curiosity, why are you trying to compile libc? |
| 12:17.14 | fasta | ganz: those are upstream sources? |
| 12:17.26 | ganz | themill: it's for my computer security course |
| 12:17.39 | fasta | ganz: I recently compiled it from git, and it worked (not the first time). |
| 12:17.57 | fasta | ganz: their build system, surprisingly, is also bad. |
| 12:17.58 | ganz | fasta: yes, i get the sources using apt-get source |
| 12:18.37 | fasta | ganz: I think I got some newer tools in the end, but really, you should file a bug at the eglibc maintainers. |
| 12:18.38 | ganz | I'm using debian wheezy |
| 12:18.42 | DelphiWorld | fasta: what build system? |
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| 12:19.02 | fasta | DelphiWorld: some autotools, but it's not the tools, it's the people who instruct the tools. |
| 12:19.06 | DelphiWorld | lasers, how to update grub? |
| 12:19.21 | ganz | fasta: ok, thanks :) |
| 12:19.37 | fasta | It didn't work 'out of the box' like good software does. About 70% of GNU software compiles out of the box, in my experience. |
| 12:19.47 | nsadmin | "bad" and "doesn't work" and "best" and "better" are pretty much equally useful... if you're going to say the build system is bad, you might want to define what you mean by that |
| 12:19.59 | themill | or not, since we don't care |
| 12:20.04 | abrotman | fasta: careful .. |
| 12:20.14 | abrotman | fasta: if you have a Debian support question, please ask it |
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| 12:20.38 | fasta | abrotman: I was just helping him, since I built eglibc two days ago. |
| 12:21.17 | fasta | nsadmin: if you would take a look at those packages yourself, you would know. |
| 12:21.32 | fasta | nsadmin: but since you have no intention of doing that, you are just trolling. |
| 12:22.08 | fasta | By 'packages' I don't mean Debian packages in this context, btw. |
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| 12:22.28 | fasta | As such it is off-topic, but only a clarification on an earlier point which is now complete. |
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| 12:23.28 | lasers | DelphiWorld: "sudo update-grub" usually occur after you make changes to /etc/default/grub |
| 12:23.57 | DelphiWorld | lasers: allready done. but i don't see where's the grub menu to modify what kernel i should boot |
| 12:24.08 | superlinux-hp | I have on debian linux Qt creator. but i don't see anything in it about programming for symbian when i create a project. is there something wrong? i want symbian programming |
| 12:24.40 | DelphiWorld | superlinux-hp: LOL. good bye Simbian |
| 12:24.59 | superlinux-hp | maemo then? |
| 12:25.05 | superlinux-hp | i never mind |
| 12:25.21 | lasers | DelphiWorld: Some distros have grub2 hidden. I don't think Debian is one of them. Go in #grub -- They helped me out in the past. |
| 12:25.49 | fasta | DelphiWorld: what kind of ridiculous statement is that? |
| 12:25.59 | fasta | DelphiWorld: Symbian still is a platform. |
| 12:26.07 | DelphiWorld | slaps fasta around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:26.09 | abrotman | and this is #debian |
| 12:26.22 | fasta | abrotman: and someone wants to develop on Debian. |
| 12:26.35 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, i am asking about an issue |
| 12:26.36 | abrotman | he just said maemo now ? |
| 12:26.54 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: Symbian probably has a developer network, did you ask them ? |
| 12:26.59 | fasta | abrotman: it seems that superlinux-hp doesn't really know what he is talking about, so it's hard to tell. |
| 12:27.15 | themill | fasta: next time you're about to hit enter, please hit backspace a lot. Do that often. Just because you think it doesn't mean we want to know. |
| 12:27.17 | abrotman | fasta: so please ignore him |
| 12:27.46 | lasers | Not knowing what Symbian was, I went on Wikipedia.... "Over the course of 2009–2011, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericsson announced their withdrawal from Symbian in favour of alternative platforms including Google's Android, Microsoft's Windows Phone, and Samsung's bada." |
| 12:28.02 | superlinux-hp | no all i know is that I want to learn programming for nokia phones. got me? i know nokia uses symbian and maemo platforms |
| 12:28.14 | abrotman | lasers: yeah .. well .. still widely used unfortunately |
| 12:28.32 | Trewas | superlinux-hp: nokia offers qt creator (or qt sdk) for linux themselves, maybe the debian package does not ship all the stuff needed for symbian development |
| 12:28.42 | lasers | abrotman: Icic. Why is that a bad thing? I don't have a smartphone, just a dumbphone. :( |
| 12:28.48 | superlinux-hp | mmm |
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| 12:29.06 | abrotman | lasers: the primary creator of it has abandoned it .. generally not a good sign |
| 12:29.11 | superlinux-hp | it's older by a release than debian's |
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| 12:30.44 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: there is a #symbian |
| 12:31.11 | Trewas | superlinux-hp: umm nokia offers 2.4.1 while unstable has 2.2.1 |
| 12:31.13 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, ok! okey! |
| 12:31.45 | superlinux-hp | be patient man.. i just need to make sure i am doing things correctly |
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| 12:41.55 | fatota | Hi all. How can i fix this problem: dh_install: usr/lib/libfm.so exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere. I getting it when i build package from sources |
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| 12:44.41 | boston8372 | is there a place to modify the elapsed time before debian requires you to login again |
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| 12:46.13 | nsadmin | fatota, you're trying to backport? |
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| 12:51.10 | DelphiWorld | is back |
| 12:51.26 | abrotman | boston8372: eh, what did you do ? |
| 12:51.31 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: please turn that off |
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| 12:52.04 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: nothing is on. i did it through my hand, DUDE |
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| 12:52.44 | boston8372 | abrotman: i have 5 machines in my house i keep shuffling back and forth, the relogin keeps driving me nuts |
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| 12:53.37 | abrotman | boston8372: you mean via ssh ? |
| 12:53.42 | DelphiWorld | :whois faissal |
| 12:53.48 | abrotman | boston8372: fix your router |
| 12:53.57 | nevyn | boston8372: confiugre ssh keys? |
| 12:53.57 | faissal | DelphiWorld: ?? |
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| 12:54.13 | boston8372 | nothing to do with ssh i mean physically |
| 12:54.14 | faissal | you loose, why u want to /whois me DelphiWorld |
| 12:54.17 | DelphiWorld | nothing faissal :) just hi :D |
| 12:54.34 | faissal | ? |
| 12:54.34 | faissal | yea right |
| 12:54.43 | DelphiWorld | faissal: cause your name is familia |
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| 12:54.52 | faissal | DelphiWorld: ok... |
| 12:55.05 | DelphiWorld | faissal: offtopic please, otherwise abrotman would ban us ;) |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | boston8372: so it just logs you out at the terminal ? |
| 12:55.24 | DelphiWorld | faissal: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 12:55.32 | faissal | DelphiWorld: you go there |
| 12:55.33 | boston8372 | no i mean the security popout after a few minutes of inactivity |
| 12:55.49 | DelphiWorld | faissal: i'm there allready;) |
| 12:56.00 | faissal | DelphiWorld: good for you thenm stay there |
| 12:56.04 | boston8372 | like 2 minutes |
| 12:56.07 | DelphiWorld | LOL faissal ;) |
| 12:56.20 | DelphiWorld | faissal: i wanted to ask you a few question that's all i told you go there:P |
| 12:56.27 | faissal | DelphiWorld: ok |
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| 12:57.56 | themill | boston8372: is this a screensaver like thing in gnome? (no-one has any idea what you're talking about yet... if you can offer more details that will help) |
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| 12:58.53 | boston8372 | themill: great that was it thx |
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| 13:09.12 | bauhausniebuhr | I am having problems resolving a lease on the local LAN via various wifi cards, which tells me the problem is local. I'm also thinking it's a fairly simple problem. |
| 13:09.53 | bauhausniebuhr | the resolv.conf file should point to the local "loopback server"? or the local gateway? |
| 13:10.20 | karlpinc | bauhausniebuhr: It should point to your DNS server, local or not. |
| 13:10.59 | karlpinc | bauhausniebuhr: This shouldn't have anything to do with your dhcp lease, excepting that by default dhcp also sets the DNS server. |
| 13:11.22 | bauhausniebuhr | ah, okay |
| 13:12.14 | bauhausniebuhr | so, the problem may actually lie elsewhere.. |
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| 13:12.35 | bauhausniebuhr | that puts this back on the drawing boar |
| 13:12.40 | bauhausniebuhr | boar = board |
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| 13:13.38 | bauhausniebuhr | any suggestions? |
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| 13:16.17 | nsadmin | if you have a draawing board, I suggest multicolor dry erase markers |
| 13:16.17 | ladowacharpuny | if i wanna protect my code when edit it to save all changes, i hould use rsync/svn or something other? |
| 13:16.23 | bauhausniebuhr | for instance, how do I find out if resolv.conf is pointing correctly to the nameserver? |
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| 13:16.48 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny, you're writing code? |
| 13:16.51 | Xat` | which OS doesn't user the /etc/shadow file ? |
| 13:16.56 | Xat` | user* |
| 13:16.58 | Xat` | -r |
| 13:17.19 | ladowacharpuny | nsadmin: yes |
| 13:17.35 | ladowacharpuny | and i wanna have some changes history |
| 13:17.58 | fatota | nsadmin, yes, i |
| 13:18.10 | fatota | nsadmin, yes i'm trying to backport |
| 13:18.42 | nsadmin | Xat`, shadow in most linux installations comes from an old thing called the shadow password suite... probably a lot of dists if not all of them would have it |
| 13:18.57 | nsadmin | ladowacharpuny, oh,,, try git |
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| 13:19.32 | nsadmin | fool around with it using throwaway code until you come up to speed |
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| 13:20.22 | nsadmin | is this code something you want to release? |
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| 13:20.28 | ratatata | nu |
| 13:20.45 | ladowacharpuny | git will monitore my folder and look for all changes and save info about changes? |
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| 13:21.57 | nsadmin | no, you submit changes, and there are extensive ways of adding pieces of your code |
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| 13:23.37 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: an IDS would do that (tripwire, aide, ...) |
| 13:23.56 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: but WRT config files, I'd go for puppet |
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| 13:24.27 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: that's a tool to ensure a known state of your files, reporting changes |
| 13:24.40 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: ...if need ve |
| 13:24.46 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: s/ve/be |
| 13:25.54 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: as an extra, you can have your puppet's filebucket in a git repo |
| 13:25.57 | confusid | I stopped an install from apt-get install. used Ctrl-C How do I allow the install to work again? When i try to rerun it it say's it cannot lock /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:26.32 | confusid | also tried to purge it. say's the same thing |
| 13:26.37 | dawud | confusid: apt is still running |
| 13:26.40 | fatota | nsadmin, i'm porting package to squeeze and i'm getting this error (and many similar) from dh_install |
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| 13:27.29 | dawud | confusid: check it using ps, top, htop or any other |
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| 13:28.27 | ladowacharpuny | confusid: apt-get install -f |
| 13:28.53 | ladowacharpuny | apt-get clean;apt-get autoclean;apt-get install -f |
| 13:28.56 | ladowacharpuny | if dont work first |
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| 13:29.19 | Sevet | fatota: it's warning a built file isn't being installed. either add it to a .install file, or use --list-missing not --fail-missing for dh_install |
| 13:29.40 | ladowacharpuny | ps aux | grep apt-get , and kill this (without 9 signal) |
| 13:29.41 | confusid | ty |
| 13:29.57 | confusid | I tried pkill should I only use kill? |
| 13:29.59 | Sevet | fatota: it's a warning that a file isn't being installed that perhaps you'll need (so you know to add it to .install), but if it's not required them you can ignore the warning |
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| 13:30.09 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: I was trying not to spoon-feed the guy... |
| 13:30.39 | ladowacharpuny | :) |
| 13:30.40 | ladowacharpuny | i think about this git :P |
| 13:30.40 | ladowacharpuny | but i never got any svn/git etc |
| 13:31.11 | ladowacharpuny | confusid: kill better |
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| 13:31.17 | ladowacharpuny | just kill pid |
| 13:31.21 | confusid | k |
| 13:31.23 | confusid | ty |
| 13:31.28 | ladowacharpuny | dont use -9 becuase probably can crash repo |
| 13:31.41 | ladowacharpuny | then apt-get install -f |
| 13:31.46 | ladowacharpuny | if dont work good |
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| 13:31.48 | ladowacharpuny | apt-get clean;apt-get autoclean;apt-get install -f |
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| 13:32.05 | ladowacharpuny | and dont do ctrl+c aka cancel when apt-get work :) |
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| 13:35.06 | confusid | kill is not working, pkill is not working. |
| 13:35.18 | confusid | no errors but ps -aux | grep apt-get is still running |
| 13:35.19 | confusid | :/ |
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| 13:36.08 | confusid | root@testit4:~# ps -aux | grep apt-get |
| 13:36.11 | confusid | Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus |
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| 13:36.38 | dominusceo | ps wwauxe | grep apt-get |
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| 13:38.07 | confusid | that gave a lot of lines |
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| 13:39.09 | avernos | i've got a wireless and a eth card on my machine, both connected, how can i decide which one to use if both are connected? |
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| 13:39.18 | sexy | hi all |
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| 13:41.31 | nsadmin | avernos, deciding takes mind power :) |
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| 13:42.48 | confusid | ok.. rebooting got rid of it |
| 13:43.14 | nsadmin | (seriously... you did say how do -I- decide ...) |
| 13:43.14 | avernos | nsadmin, i've being channelling all my chakra to my mind power controller but it aint working and i'm getting dizzy |
| 13:43.35 | avernos | well, how can i control it |
| 13:43.44 | nsadmin | hmm, can't make a decision in that state... |
| 13:43.45 | fatota | Sevet, i don't need to install it, but i can't ignore it, since deb package isn't being generated |
| 13:44.24 | avernos | if both are connected, no idea which one is being used for what app |
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| 13:44.45 | ectospasm | I can't seem to define a particular extension for mc: http://paste.debian.net/166747/ << is something wrong with my regex? It doesn't look incorrect to me |
| 13:44.52 | Night_Elf | avernos: they both belong to the same lan segment ? |
| 13:44.54 | ectospasm | can anyone tell me why this mc.ext snippet doesn't work? http://paste.debian.net/166764/ I use squeeze at work, and mc just blinks when I hit ENTER on an .xoj file. It looks like on wheezy mc opens the file in $PAGER, which is not what I want. |
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| 13:45.04 | ectospasm | oops, sorry for the double post |
| 13:45.37 | fatota | Sevet, how can i append parameter --list-missing if i'm building with apt-get -b source package? |
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| 13:46.23 | tash | Is there a way to have cron email you *only* if the cron fails to run? |
| 13:46.24 | avernos | Night_Elf, yeah |
| 13:46.31 | tash | or, if the script it calls fails for some reason. |
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| 13:47.07 | karlpinc | tash: Cron only emails you if your job generates output or a failure code. Don't run jobs that generate output unless they fail. |
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| 13:47.58 | Night_Elf | avernos: you could check what does "ip route show" say about what is being used. |
| 13:49.41 | tash | karlpinc: running a cron that calls a .sh that outputs stuff b/c it does an rsync in it |
| 13:49.47 | tash | which generates output regardless |
| 13:49.59 | tash | oh well |
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| 13:50.04 | avernos | Night_Elf, identical.. apart from the ip and device |
| 13:50.49 | Night_Elf | avernos: if you set them to have different metric parameter, I'd expect the one with the lower metric to have precedence over the other one. |
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| 13:53.41 | satrionics | hi. i have a question about webmin on debian. is webmin free software? and if so, y does it need the contrib repo? |
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| 13:57.52 | ansgar | !webmin |
| 13:57.53 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 13:58.51 | Woet | satrionics: it's free software, you can use the deb packages on their site |
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| 13:59.36 | Woet | satrionics: or just add their repo, http://www.webmin.com/deb.html |
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| 14:01.05 | satrionics | well im guessing if it doesnt get updated, then it has lots of security problems |
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| 14:02.32 | satrionics | the last repo for debian was sarge lol, thats pretty old now huh? |
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| 14:03.33 | Sevet | fatota: you don't because that downloads the sources and builds them as they are. download the sources with apt-get source, edit debian/rules and run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:04.48 | satrionics | think il pass on webmin lol |
| 14:04.53 | Night_Elf | satrionics: the debian team package for debian was last for sarge. The webmin team package for debian pretends to be up to date. But dpkg-overlord says it's of poor quality. |
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| 14:05.22 | satrionics | poor quality in what way? |
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| 14:06.18 | Night_Elf | satrionics: maybe places files in not-so-standard locations, doesn't play well with upgrades, and so on. |
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| 14:12.07 | DelphiWorld | what's the default alsa device name? |
| 14:12.09 | DelphiWorld | on /dev |
| 14:12.15 | DelphiWorld | slaps jpinx around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:13.14 | karlpinc | !tell satrionics about webin |
| 14:13.23 | karlpinc | !tell satrionics about webmin |
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| 14:13.31 | DelphiWorld | !tel DelphiWorld about alsa |
| 14:13.34 | DelphiWorld | :) |
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| 14:16.04 | satrionics | lol oh |
| 14:16.07 | satrionics | sorry was afk |
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| 14:16.40 | karlpinc | satrionics: In other words, it's an unsafe web app that, because of what it does, easily allows your whole system to be cracked. |
| 14:16.50 | satrionics | oh |
| 14:17.01 | satrionics | well thats a good enough reason to not use it i guess |
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| 14:17.44 | jpinx | DelphiWorld: lots to work through in that factoid ;) |
| 14:17.57 | DelphiWorld | jpinx: :) |
| 14:18.09 | DelphiWorld | jpinx: still fighting and no luck |
| 14:18.10 | karlpinc | satrionics: You might see the <free whcp> factoid, but IMO by the time you learn how to use a web admin tool you may as well have learned how to use the real tool -- and in the latter case you'll have a lot more flexibility/power _and_, importantly, be able to leave comments for yourself as to _why_ you did things in the config files. |
| 14:18.15 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: Preferred method is /msg dpkg <factoid>. Slightly less clutter. |
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| 14:18.38 | jpinx | DelphiWorld: take it one step at a time and work carefully - alsa is not black magic :) |
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| 14:19.23 | karlpinc | satrionics: I could go on. |
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| 14:24.44 | DelphiWorld | can someone confirm if i can run a debian installer on top of debian itself? |
| 14:24.48 | DelphiWorld | i want to totaly replace my Os |
| 14:25.56 | epsilon | if you expect similar effect to reinstalling windows, you will fail |
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| 14:26.32 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: don't go far away. i am blind i can't use a cd and i'm alone. |
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| 14:27.01 | epsilon | install via usb stick? |
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| 14:27.09 | epsilon | install on other partition? |
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| 14:28.21 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: same with usb. i need a base system to be able to get tts through windowds, ssh into it and do my works |
| 14:28.43 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: cd/usb keys is same cause it's not runing on top of an existing Os |
| 14:29.23 | epsilon | what do you have and what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:30.21 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: i have a debian squeeze up but it's totaly fucked up by me. i want to reinstall it and make it clean. that's all. but, can't use a bootable installer. |
| 14:31.59 | asarch | How do I prevent the system to use a kernel module without actually uninstalling it? |
| 14:32.21 | karlpinc | !tell DelphiWorld about debootstrap |
| 14:32.22 | asarch | I need to replace the Nouveau driver with the binary blob |
| 14:32.37 | jordanm | asarch: echo 'blacklist <module>' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
| 14:32.47 | jordanm | asarch: use the debian package |
| 14:32.49 | asarch | Thank you jordanm |
| 14:32.53 | asarch | Thank you very much |
| 14:32.57 | jordanm | asarch: the debian nvidia package handles that for you |
| 14:33.03 | jordanm | !tell asarch about nvidia |
| 14:33.04 | asarch | It doesn't work at all :'-( |
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| 14:33.41 | jordanm | asarch: if nouveau is still loading, then the proper packages probably are not installed |
| 14:33.43 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: DUDE, i know debootstrap. but would that work on the same partition? |
| 14:33.44 | asarch | Yeah, yeah. I did follow that guide |
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| 14:34.17 | asarch | But it also didn't work |
| 14:34.26 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 14:34.26 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 14:34.49 | epsilon | DelphiWorld: then it will be tricky... you cant even create new partition my shrinking one without boot media? |
| 14:35.14 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: i am afraid to be honest |
| 14:35.33 | Camber | Hey guys, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and asked it to display the difference between two files, and it won't allow me to take action after showing me the difference. It just repeatedly says (END). |
| 14:35.36 | epsilon | not even a swap partition you can rape? |
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| 14:36.59 | Camber | How do I have it take me back to the options menu? |
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| 14:37.52 | epsilon | Camber: what viewer is it? nothing on Ctrl-X or :q ? |
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| 14:38.41 | Camber | epsilon: Ah, :q, thanks for your help |
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| 14:39.43 | epsilon | Camber: np. and keep blaming vi |
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| 14:40.15 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: format c:/q. end |
| 14:40.24 | Camber | I will, even though I refuse to use it when we have a perfectly simple nano editor! |
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| 14:41.09 | jordanm | Camber: you can change your EDITOR and PAGER variables |
| 14:41.34 | Camber | "Oh, we're writing content now? Well you didn't tell me you were writing content, I was expecting a command." Up yours Vi! :P |
| 14:41.48 | bauhausniebuhr | does anyone have suggestions as to what may prevent an IP address from being assigned from the network server? |
| 14:42.16 | jordanm | network server == dhcp? |
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| 14:42.52 | bauhausniebuhr | yes |
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| 14:44.26 | bauhausniebuhr | I've now configured two network cards, so I assume the problem is one of lease assignment and misdirection as regards the IP |
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| 14:45.00 | bauhausniebuhr | I've now configured two network cards = I've now configured two network cards, without successfully connecting either one |
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| 14:45.27 | N1x_ | hi guys , how i can change my external monitor resolution? |
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| 14:45.51 | jordanm | N1x_: System -> monitors in gnome |
| 14:45.59 | bauhausniebuhr | can't you do that in the display settings? N1x_? |
| 14:46.03 | jordanm | xrandr from the command line |
| 14:46.04 | N1x_ | jordanm: yep but here is 1366:768 only |
| 14:46.06 | bauhausniebuhr | ah |
| 14:46.30 | N1x_ | and my monitor has 1920 x 1080 |
| 14:46.35 | jordanm | N1x_: paste the output of xrandr |
| 14:47.08 | N1x_ | jordanm: http://pastie.org/3843936 |
| 14:47.13 | epsilon | bauhausniebuhr: are you using network manager, or do you use only /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 14:47.59 | bauhausniebuhr | well, epsilon, I've actuallly been switching back and forth between the command line, /../../interfaces method and wicd |
| 14:48.01 | bauhausniebuhr | neither to any avail |
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| 14:48.15 | jordanm | N1x_: you probably need to disable the laptop monitor, or change the settings from displaying the same thing to dual-monitor |
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| 14:48.30 | bauhausniebuhr | both recognize the network, but never ultimately succeed in obtaining an IP |
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| 14:49.00 | bauhausniebuhr | with wicd I have gotten so far as to have dmesg read "wlan1: network is ready", which tells me it is not a haqrdware problem |
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| 14:49.25 | Night_Elf | bauhausniebuhr: and are you able to set an ip address manually ? |
| 14:49.33 | epsilon | bauhausniebuhr: so... you use the config in etc/network/interfaces? can you post it somewhere? |
| 14:50.03 | bauhausniebuhr | I've currently got the wicd (simply localhost) setup, with everything commented out |
| 14:50.08 | jordanm | bauhausniebuhr: scans may work without require firmware, but connecting will not |
| 14:50.15 | bauhausniebuhr | interesting |
| 14:50.24 | epsilon | bauhausniebuhr: basically you write there the network details OR enable dhcp, thats all. if you interfaces are getting IP from dhcp and both have route to gateway, you have issues |
| 14:50.42 | N1x_ | jordanm: hm , tried already but |
| 14:50.44 | N1x_ | nothing |
| 14:50.52 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: i decided to debootstrap it into a cf |
| 14:51.19 | DelphiWorld | should i use vfat or ext3 for a cf? |
| 14:51.25 | epsilon | DelphiWorld: make sure you box can boot from it |
| 14:51.35 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: no, that's another box |
| 14:51.41 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: i changed all my design now;) |
| 14:51.46 | jordanm | N1x_: well it appears the problem is that its combining the two monitor sizes at the max size of the smaller one |
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| 14:52.08 | epsilon | DelphiWorld: for temporal install in cf? you can even use ext2, something simple for small fs |
| 14:52.27 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: i did ext3 |
| 14:52.36 | epsilon | as good as |
| 14:52.41 | bauhausniebuhr | epsilon: I've got the interfaces file commented out except for the localhost domain, so that shouldn't be the issue -- it might actually be the firmware, as you say, but as the installation of both succeeded and the system recognizes both cards, I don't see that being the case either |
| 14:53.22 | bauhausniebuhr | I'm quite perplexed as to what may be causing th e "disconnect" |
| 14:53.29 | bauhausniebuhr | I'll try reinstalling the firmware |
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| 14:55.40 | Night_Elf | bauhausniebuhr: I'd think that if an interface is all commented in the /etc/network/interfaces file, it will not be configured. It has to be either static configuration, dhcp, or manual. But not commented. |
| 14:56.11 | DelphiWorld | GOOD, epsilon it's debootstraping |
| 14:56.31 | N1x_ | jordanm: hm strange , i have disabled laptop monitor and try to detect again |
| 14:56.42 | N1x_ | but 1360:768 :-( |
| 14:57.04 | jordanm | N1x_: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:57.53 | N1x_ | jordanm: http://pastie.org/3843995 |
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| 14:57.59 | bauhausniebuhr | to be honested, I'm not too familiar with wicd, but it's configured to override the interfaces file, I think, as is N-M (although it's apparently less bad at this) |
| 14:58.31 | Crypticfortune | Hmmm, so I just upgraded an old lenny box to squeeze, and cups is now failing miserably (printing to ipp generic PS printer (xerox DocuPrint 340A)). using both same printer config and a new test config. all jobs stay stuck in "processing" ... any ideas? |
| 14:58.34 | bauhausniebuhr | ergo, commenting out all but localhost -- now, if I'm configuring the network manually, of course commenting out would be a bad idea, if connecting to the internet is my aim |
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| 14:59.12 | bauhausniebuhr | what sort of printer are you using? |
| 14:59.23 | DelphiWorld | dvbt digital video broadcast? allready fighting with it now;) |
| 14:59.25 | bauhausniebuhr | ah, I see |
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| 15:00.33 | Crypticfortune | connectivity from the host to printer seems to be fine, can ping, can http, when not printing cups says "Connected to printer; idle"... *grumble* |
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| 15:02.49 | bauhausniebuhr | some companys offer poor compatibility with linux, so that sometimes a combinations of the "native" software and cups is required -- I had a cheap-o lexmark printer once that worked that way |
| 15:03.14 | bauhausniebuhr | sorry I can't offer a more technical solution -- currently enamoured by my own technical Probleme |
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| 15:04.18 | bauhausniebuhr | check the xerox website for "native" drivers, and see if those are backwards compatible (even with wine); you might have to build a sort of "cocktail" |
| 15:04.36 | N1x_ | any ideas? :-( |
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| 15:05.00 | bauhausniebuhr | ideas?! |
| 15:05.43 | jordanm | N1x_: no, log looks fine |
| 15:06.18 | N1x_ | jordanm: can i chage it manualy? |
| 15:06.41 | jordanm | N1x_: you can add modes using xrandr, but I don't know the exact syntax |
| 15:07.31 | Crypticfortune | bauhausniebuhr: not the case here unfortunately (and generic PS is hard to make non-compatible). lenny cups worked, but squeeze seems to have broken something... sorry i can't help with your wicd issue =/ |
| 15:08.10 | Phil-Work | is it possible to do 'every other Monday' with cron? |
| 15:08.25 | Night_Elf | Crypticfortune: Does it help finding a .ppd file for that printer and then telling cups to use that? |
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| 15:09.38 | jordanm | Phil-Work: Mon/2 |
| 15:09.45 | jordanm | should work |
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| 15:10.15 | Crypticfortune | Night_Elf: last time I checked there was no non-generic foomatic PPD for this printer (it's a Japan only model, so not too popular). guess i could try again though... |
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| 15:12.47 | Crypticfortune | Ha...Looks like xerox did publish a PPD in 2006... lets see how that goes... |
| 15:12.55 | epicfail | guys is there a way to get html5 in google chrome on debian 6? |
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| 15:16.18 | forestbird | epicfail: install google chrome? |
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| 15:17.37 | epicfail | forestbird, i have but how to install html5? |
| 15:17.46 | SomeoneWeird | you dont |
| 15:17.55 | valdyn | epicfail: tell us what you really need |
| 15:18.06 | valdyn | epicfail: no one needs html5 for the sake of it |
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| 15:18.21 | epicfail | better than adobe flash... |
| 15:18.36 | qxXx | Java for president…. ;) |
| 15:19.01 | ChibaPet | If I use xsetbg, the image chosen flashes up and then is immediately replaced by the grey background that existed previously. Can someone tell me what is reasserting the grey background, or what I want to do to get a background image up in a persistent way? |
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| 15:20.05 | Crypticfortune | Nope, xerox published PPD didn't help...cups still stuck in "processing" |
| 15:20.12 | Guest35556 | epicfail: What happens if you try to use it? It should also be noted that we essentially have nothing to do with Google Chrome. The version of *Chromium* that is packaged in Debian might be problematic and you might want to try Iceweasel (FF) from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 15:20.30 | cmyers | I see you can install i386 pkgs on x86_64 using `dpkg --force-architecture -i ...` but is there a way to get `apt-get install` to fetch it without having to download the deb? |
| 15:20.55 | valdyn | cmyers: --force-arch is stupid, fucked up, dont do it |
| 15:21.07 | epicfail | Guest35556, why? its open source... |
| 15:21.13 | jordanm | multiarch isn't really supported yet |
| 15:21.21 | cmyers | ok, also that then. I am building an i386 binary which depends on the 32-bit libncurses5 |
| 15:21.47 | cmyers | how do I best satisfy that dep? |
| 15:22.01 | forestbird | epicfail: html5 is part of chrome... |
| 15:22.15 | valdyn | i doubt he really wants html5 |
| 15:22.21 | forestbird | epicfail: epicfail... ;) |
| 15:22.27 | valdyn | he wants the <video> tag or something, but hes not telling us |
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| 15:23.06 | Guest35556 | epicfail: It is not (Chromium is) but Chrome contains a built-in flash player among other things that make it unsuitable for distribution |
| 15:23.10 | ChibaPet | Oh, fascinating. My background issue seems to be directly related to xcompmgr. |
| 15:23.14 | Sevet | epicfail: chrome inherently reads html and supports html5 |
| 15:23.31 | fredl | hey folks, known problems with X in Sid today? |
| 15:23.32 | epicfail | so it should work.. thx |
| 15:23.46 | valdyn | fredl: every day |
| 15:23.47 | fredl | cant really check as my browser kinda doesn't work right now :P |
| 15:23.49 | Sevet | so you installed it but didn't even try? |
| 15:24.17 | forestbird | fredl: there was an xorg update i think today... was hold back on my system due to missing deps |
| 15:24.34 | Guest35556 | epicfail: Chromium also doesn't contain http://blog.chromium.org/2010/06/in-open-for-rlz.html -- But yeah, chrome should work. I still don't understand what your actual problem is that you are trying to fix. |
| 15:24.54 | fredl | Hmm ok, yeah I saw the xorg update and trembled a little before hitting return. I shouldn't have :P |
| 15:25.09 | Guest35556 | fredl: http://blog.mraw.org/2012/05/01/DXN-11/ (and #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:25.19 | fredl | something about xorg-video-abi-11 |
| 15:25.40 | fredl | oh yeah that's on oftc... |
| 15:25.57 | epicfail | Guest35556, getting my favourite pron site running without the hack of it |
| 15:26.00 | cmyers | so... if --force-arch is the wrong way to get a 32-bit lib your i386 binary depends on, what is hte right way? Do I need to take a time machine back to 2008 and do it in a CHROOT or what? |
| 15:26.08 | fredl | isn't that a bit funny actually, to have stable/sid on different IRC networks? |
| 15:27.05 | epicfail | crap... does not support html5... the site i mean... |
| 15:27.13 | epicfail | thx for help anyway! adobe sucks |
| 15:27.15 | valdyn | hah |
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| 15:27.41 | Guest29330 | fredl: Most #debian* channels are on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) due to is being Debian's official network (see also "/msg dpkg oftc move") |
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| 15:29.21 | ChibaPet | What's the world coming to? No answer here, but a Gentoo wiki tells me that xsetbg won't work with xcompmgr, and tells me to use feh(1). :P |
| 15:29.34 | babilen | feh's fine |
| 15:29.39 | fredl | I see babilen. Just read that page. |
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| 15:30.05 | ChibaPet | Yeah, it's working nicely. |
| 15:30.05 | epicfail | babilen, sry but u asked me what i try to achieve... and sry im just human :) |
| 15:30.13 | epicfail | babilen, haveing connection issues? |
| 15:30.31 | babilen | Not at all - Only a little row with nickserv :) |
| 15:31.15 | epicfail | well i allways have cause i have a +q here |
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| 15:31.50 | babilen | epicfail: I would probably recommend to use Iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net if you want a recent browser that supports HTML5/WebM/... on squeeze. That, however, won't help you if the website you want to use doesn't support it. :) |
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| 15:32.59 | boston8372 | Adobe moved to HTML5 |
| 15:33.01 | epicfail | babilen, i discovered chromium a view days ago... first i was suspicious but i started to like it. bysides its suppoused to be the savest browser available |
| 15:33.39 | epicfail | adobe is pain... they may have produced more bugs then lines code |
| 15:34.21 | fredl | babilen - so 'drivers won't be installable until they are rebuilt against the new server'... fair enough I guess but does that also mean that they will become automatically available to me? |
| 15:34.50 | boston8372 | are u building an html5 site ? |
| 15:34.59 | babilen | s/u/you |
| 15:35.11 | babilen | fredl: Yes |
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| 15:35.49 | epicfail | boston8372, i dont wanna repeat what was my plan with html5... i dont think its well seen here |
| 15:36.11 | boston8372 | i yeah pron |
| 15:36.40 | boston8372 | well don't do it from scratch with adobe. if so consider themeforest.net |
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| 15:36.46 | fredl | pron isn't 'well seen here' ? |
| 15:37.19 | SomeoneWeird | epicfail, do you know what 'html5' is? |
| 15:37.21 | babilen | Lets drop it, OK? |
| 15:37.52 | epicfail | SomeoneWeird, mostly... the next generation html5 standard wich has a lot of new features |
| 15:38.03 | fredl | hmm 'k |
| 15:38.16 | SomeoneWeird | epicfail, most browser already support it |
| 15:38.25 | SomeoneWeird | (well, mostly, seeing as its still changing) |
| 15:38.34 | boston8372 | yeah barely |
| 15:38.38 | SomeoneWeird | browsers* |
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| 15:39.54 | boston8372 | even IE / FF / Chr look quite different on sites that push the envelope |
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| 15:40.22 | boston8372 | IE being the crippled younger cousin |
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| 15:48.36 | ectospasm | woo! I figured it out! file shows .xoj as a gzip compressed file, and thus the type/\^gzip was matching before regex/\.xoj$ |
| 15:48.51 | hermitmode | helloo |
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| 15:58.04 | twobitsprite | is there a way to install a .deb file while also using apt's dependency resolution to pull in depends from the repos? |
| 15:59.19 | ansgar | twobitsprite: gdebi |
| 16:00.42 | twobitsprite | looks like that's a gui app... does it work from command line too? |
| 16:01.01 | themill | ,i gdebi-core |
| 16:01.02 | judd | Package gdebi-core (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Simple tool to install deb files. Version: 0.6.4+squeeze1; Size: 68.5k; Installed: 568k |
| 16:01.10 | twobitsprite | ahh, looks like... er, yeah, was just going to say that :P |
| 16:01.37 | themill | twobitsprite: you can also "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" to do the same thing |
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| 16:02.23 | epsilon | ack try dpkg -i first and see what it's saying |
| 16:03.56 | twobitsprite | well... I don't actually have a .deb right now... I'm just planning something. I have a set of standard configs and a list of packages I install on all my debian systems, and right now I have a script for that... but was thinking of turning it in to a .deb |
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| 16:04.22 | twobitsprite | but I'll give it a try when I get the .deb made |
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| 16:05.09 | Listar | hello! |
| 16:05.09 | pmade | The installer is for a ucode file for firmware. How do I satisfy that request? |
| 16:05.10 | Listar | :) |
| 16:05.24 | pmade | Ug, the installer is asking for... |
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| 16:05.49 | Listar | anyone can help with fancontrol... in toshiba laptop i can't detect the rpm's of fan anyone can help? i |
| 16:06.15 | twobitsprite | !tell pmade about firmware images |
| 16:06.34 | themill | twobitsprite: you could just "/msg dpkg own repo" and then "aptitude install config-twobitsprite" on the machines and let apt do everything from there. Packages fiddling with each other's config files does tend to be a bit problematic though. |
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| 16:07.11 | twobitsprite | themill: I did think about a repo... but we'll see |
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| 16:07.41 | pmade | twobitsprite: thanks, but that's what I'm using. The installer asked me to insert some media for a specific firmware file: iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode |
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| 16:08.23 | twobitsprite | pmade: I wonder if the install guide says something about that |
| 16:08.41 | pmade | twobitsprite: reading now, thank you. |
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| 16:13.02 | asarch | No matter how hard you try, in the end you will have use the nVidia binary blob driver :-( |
| 16:13.18 | asarch | What a horrible hack |
| 16:13.26 | ChibaPet | So, I just learned that saying things like "ifconfig lo:☠inet 192.168.0.1 up" is valid, if unexpected and odd. |
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| 16:16.39 | twobitsprite | ChibaPet: you mean, using unicode characters in the alias name? |
| 16:16.53 | ChibaPet | More generally using non-numbers there, but yes. |
| 16:17.07 | twobitsprite | oh |
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| 16:17.56 | twobitsprite | yeah, I thought you could always use alpha-numeric... I just didn't know it could be outside of utf-8 |
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| 16:25.00 | pmade | twobitsprite: sounds like I'm f**ked. My laptop manufacture said the network card was an Intel 6030, but it looks like it's a 1030 and firware-iwlwifi doesn't support it yet. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:27.11 | Faris | Does squeez have gnome 2.32 ? and for how long will it be supported? |
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| 16:34.36 | NICBM | likes Debian. |
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| 16:39.28 | Sevet | pmade: looks like the 2.6.36 supports 1030 since 2.6.36, you could try the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 16:39.32 | pmade | twobitsprite: just a follow up. I downloaded the ucode file directly from the intel site and got it working. Thanks for the pointers. |
| 16:40.11 | pmade | Sevet: thanks. |
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| 16:46.35 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 16:48.25 | somiaj | Faris: squeeze will have gnome 3.2 for its life span (it is a frozen system). Squeeze should be supported for another 1-2 years (1 year after the release of wheezy) |
| 16:48.28 | Maiku-kun | could you advice any good system monitor for debian? I'm looking for tools like cpu z and realtemp for windows. /proc/cpuinfo is not an answer because it is not show real frequency for overclocked cpu via bios... |
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| 16:53.32 | alkisg | Hi, I'm trying debian testing but the default font has huge greek letters compared to the english letters (obviously the greek symbols are missing from this font and are substituted from another font). |
| 16:53.33 | alkisg | How can I change the default font or theme? And, isn't that a bug that I should report, so that the default font is changed to something that covers more international characters? |
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| 17:00.28 | twobitsprite | alkisg: you mean, in gnome? |
| 17:00.34 | alkisg | twobitsprite: yes |
| 17:00.44 | twobitsprite | alkisg: the gnome config should let you change the default fonts |
| 17:01.01 | alkisg | twobitsprite: I don't see any such setting, do I need to install any additional configuration applets? |
| 17:01.14 | twobitsprite | alkisg: no, should be in the top menus |
| 17:01.31 | twobitsprite | alkisg: I'm not in gnome right now, but I'm sure it's in the menus |
| 17:03.01 | valdyn | alkisg: install dejavu |
| 17:03.02 | Trewas | alkisg: font settings are in gnome-tweak-tool, whish is probably not installed by default |
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| 17:03.28 | alkisg | In Ubuntu's gnome-control-center, I have an applet to select themes, it's not there in debian, and I see no font configuration applet |
| 17:03.31 | valdyn | alkisg: package is "ttf-dejavu" |
| 17:03.42 | alkisg | valdyn: if I install dejavu, then that becomes the default font? |
| 17:03.48 | alkisg | Or do I still need the tweak tool? |
| 17:04.05 | valdyn | alkisg: it already is the default font, just not installed, I think |
| 17:04.12 | alkisg | Thank you, trying... |
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| 17:04.25 | valdyn | alkisg: its a Bitstream Vera look-alike |
| 17:04.35 | valdyn | alkisg: with more glyphs |
| 17:04.50 | alkisg | valdyn: it's preinstalled... |
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| 17:05.02 | alkisg | Trewas: thanks, let me try that too... |
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| 17:06.23 | alkisg | (although if dejavu is the default font, it's strange why the greek letter size is bigger, in my experience so far deja vu has a very good symbol coverage...) |
| 17:07.09 | alkisg | Ah ok default font == cantarell, never heard of that one |
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| 17:09.00 | alkisg | Yup thank you all after changing from Cantarell to DejaVu everything is fine. Now to file a bug about it... |
| 17:09.34 | valdyn | oh right, that new default font |
| 17:09.40 | valdyn | i forgot about that |
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| 17:10.47 | valdyn | alkisg: i think its pretty likely that such a bug is already filed |
| 17:10.56 | alkisg | is reading https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695405 ... |
| 17:11.50 | alkisg | So it was fixed upstream for cyrillic characters, but not (yet?) for Greek |
| 17:12.01 | alkisg | searches more... |
| 17:13.04 | dawud | I've seen recently the inclusion of the first packages of the the freeipa server in wheezy/sid, and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/ shows 389 and others are being worked on, has any of you already tried to use it on Debian? |
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| 17:15.11 | alkisg | "Each font file currently contains 391 glyphs, and fully support the following writing systems: Basic Latin, Western European, Catalan, Baltic, Turkish, Central European, Dutch and Afrikaans". Yup default font with only 391 glyphs is a poor selection, upstream gnome should know better than that |
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| 17:16.38 | g00se | So far my lenny->squeeze upgrade hasn't been too bad. mysql-server-5.0 won't start though. I suppose an upgrade to 5.1 might fix it? |
| 17:16.45 | alkisg | "DejaVu Sans includes 3471 glyphs " :) |
| 17:18.21 | DelphiWorld | ok, i did a big step away by putting my debian into a cf. |
| 17:18.27 | DelphiWorld | now how to grub the cf please? |
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| 17:25.08 | DelphiWorld | on a chroot grub give: Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys.) |
| 17:25.17 | DelphiWorld | what to do ? |
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| 17:29.03 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: mount /sys |
| 17:29.17 | DelphiWorld | valdyn: how please |
| 17:29.43 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: before entering the chroot : mount --bind /sys /path/to/chroot/sys |
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| 17:31.28 | DelphiWorld | same valdyn |
| 17:31.41 | somiaj | I think you need to mount /dev as well if you want access to the actual drive |
| 17:31.52 | valdyn | and proc |
| 17:32.37 | benvei | DelphiWorld, mount -o bind /proc /path/to/chroot/proc |
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| 17:32.48 | benvei | DelphiWorld, mount -o bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
| 17:33.00 | benvei | DelphiWorld, mount -o bind /proc /path/to/chroot/proc |
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| 17:33.12 | DelphiWorld | benvei: is pm ok ? |
| 17:33.22 | benvei | DelphiWorld, hm, okay |
| 17:34.58 | benvei | this are the 3 mounts : http://files.benvei.at/pastes/2012_05_01_19_34_45.txt |
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| 17:38.29 | meejah | Can anyone point to a good web site giving guidelines for buying a laptop that will work with Debian? Or general "things to avoid/look for"? So far, sounds like Intel chipsets/wireless has good support... |
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| 17:38.55 | dvs | meejah: Avoid Broadcom! |
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| 17:39.10 | DelphiWorld | dvs: +1 ! |
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| 17:40.16 | wwd | Hi folks Looking for advice. I am trying to make my system recognize partitions and label them as the same /dev/sdx# device upon reboots. I see that using uuid's and fstab I can make a device autmount to a particular place on the filesystem, but the devices I am using won't be mounted, they will be part of a raid-5 mdadm array. I simply want one physical disk to always be /dev/sdx so when it fails I know which one it is so i can quickly replace it and rebu |
| 17:40.17 | wwd | the array without guessing which physical disk is the failed one… Perhaps I am missing something obvious. Thanks in advance. |
| 17:40.42 | meejah | great, thanks. it sounds like intel hd graphics 3000 and the like works (although I see a lot of ubuntu forum questions about it)? |
| 17:40.42 | dvs | meejah: So that usually means HP |
| 17:41.09 | meejah | dvs: to be clear, that means avoiding HP? |
| 17:41.11 | DelphiWorld | dvs: i have a hp and all is intel including the wireless nic |
| 17:41.18 | dvs | really? |
| 17:41.28 | valdyn | wwd: trying to make sdx static is a waste of time |
| 17:41.32 | jhutchins_wk | wwd: Your raid software should identify the disk by it's connection/location. |
| 17:42.16 | wwd | I am making an array with 20 disks….. how do I identify the failed the device if i haven't labeled them and set them statically |
| 17:42.21 | valdyn | wwd: you never need to guess. Disks have a globally unique ID |
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| 17:42.48 | valdyn | wwd: so what you do is you label the physical disks with such an ID |
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| 17:43.03 | valdyn | wwd: seagate disks for instance already ship with such a sticker |
| 17:43.37 | wwd | okay so when mdadm sees a failed disk it is going to spit out a globally unique id |
| 17:43.46 | valdyn | wwd: no |
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| 17:44.01 | valdyn | wwd: you can use hdparm to see the ID |
| 17:44.13 | os_ | hi |
| 17:44.36 | os_ | when i login to sid \ |
| 17:44.55 | os_ | i don't find gdm |
| 17:45.26 | valdyn | wwd: theres various similar ways to this, but all of them basically work the same: mdadm will spit out the sdx and you will have to look up the ID |
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| 17:46.07 | wwd | okay so lets say mdadm detects a failed disk /dev/sdk |
| 17:46.17 | os_ | and when i try to run gdm as root i get this error : maximum number of availible connections for uid 0 has been reached |
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| 17:46.24 | wwd | i then use hdparm to find the id of /dev/sdk |
| 17:46.38 | wwd | and then look for that physically on the disk itself |
| 17:47.03 | os_ | any help? |
| 17:47.07 | wwd | if /dev/sdk is now gone, won't hdparm be unable to pull that unique id off of it? |
| 17:47.25 | wwd | of course I could hdparm all the other devices and do a process of elimination, that seems like so much trouble |
| 17:47.28 | wwd | thanks for the advice |
| 17:47.51 | valdyn | wwd: not exactly |
| 17:47.58 | alkisg | you can also manually set uuids to end in certain numbers, 01 to 02 :D |
| 17:48.01 | alkisg | *20 |
| 17:48.14 | valdyn | wwd: as i said, theres various similar methods |
| 17:48.44 | valdyn | wwd: another one is looking up the ID /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 17:49.52 | valdyn | wwd: but the most user friendly one is using a readily built raid hardware with blinken lights etc |
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| 17:51.35 | wwd | okay so what are these entries in /dev/disk/by-id/ ? |
| 17:51.45 | valdyn | wwd: look at them? |
| 17:51.46 | wwd | i see they are links to the /dev/sdX |
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| 17:52.10 | wwd | so wwn-0x5000c50026bc8d54-part1 -> ../../sde1 |
| 17:52.17 | wwd | what is the wwn-entry... |
| 17:52.33 | valdyn | wwd: theres various unique ids on disks |
| 17:52.38 | deego | I have executed an (ash) shell during installation, to transfer data. Now, I try mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 1 ... but all these seem to mount read-only. |
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| 17:52.45 | valdyn | wwd: the wwn is one bound to the specific disk hardware, its not changable |
| 17:52.52 | deego | For example, when I "touch hi", I get: "Read-only filesystem" |
| 17:52.57 | deego | What am I doing wrong? :( |
| 17:53.08 | valdyn | wwd: id say it means "world wide number", but thats just a guess |
| 17:53.46 | valdyn | wwd: the uuids can be set manually and are by default just pseudo unique |
| 17:54.05 | os_ | deego, set umask for ntfs |
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| 17:54.31 | zykotick9 | deego: ntfs requires more settings then "rw" (that only works for native gnu/linux filesystems) |
| 17:54.46 | deego | zykotick9, os_: Ah, thanks, let me go try. |
| 17:54.56 | wwd | valdyn ok, in the by-id folder there are multiple entries for any given /dev/sdx device |
| 17:55.17 | valdyn | wwd: if you have partitions on that disk, yes |
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| 17:55.24 | wwd | just 1 |
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| 17:55.39 | wwd | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2012-05-01 09:31 ata-HDS724040KLSA80_KRFS06RAGB3PMC -> ../../sdn |
| 17:55.45 | wwd | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2012-05-01 09:31 scsi-SATA_HDS724040KLSA80_KRFS06RAGB3PMC -> ../../sdn |
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| 17:55.52 | valdyn | wwd: ah, yea, i see, theres various ids and uuids |
| 17:55.53 | wwd | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2012-05-01 09:31 wwn-0x5000cca200c50df6 -> ../../sdn |
| 17:55.59 | valdyn | wwd: choice is yours |
| 17:56.23 | valdyn | wwd: some people might want the id to stay the same after you changed the physical disk |
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| 17:56.46 | DelphiWorld | valdyn: if i create a debootstraped debian into a cf. how do i grubify it? |
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| 17:57.11 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: i dont know how it would be any different than a normal disk |
| 17:57.45 | DelphiWorld | valdyn: mr benvei say wouldn't work ;) |
| 17:57.46 | wwd | alrright, i guess i am going to remove a disk in this test array and see exactly wheat mdadm tells me |
| 17:58.05 | wwd | and see if i can somehow sync it with the info in this /disk/by-id folder |
| 17:58.27 | deego | zykotick9, os_: I now tried -o umask=0000 during the mount command. But, again, same result. |
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| 17:58.54 | benvei | valdyn, if you update grub in a running system via chroot grub writes a wrong disklayout |
| 17:59.03 | alkisg | deego: also check dmesg, if an ntfs volume needs chkdsk, it's mounted as read only |
| 17:59.14 | alkisg | So in that case you reboot into windows and run chkdsk d: /f |
| 17:59.16 | Catnaroek | Hello. I wanted to add a key binding for "gnome-screenshot -a" and I ended up adding a key binding for another action that had no key binding originally. How can I delete the key binding for that other action? |
| 17:59.20 | os_ | deego, sorry |
| 17:59.22 | deego | alkisg: Ah. |
| 17:59.29 | os_ | i mean dmask and fmask |
| 17:59.33 | valdyn | wwd: you need to just yank the disk, if you remove it from the raid with mdadm --fail and mdadm --remove and then yank it then the symlinks will vanish |
| 17:59.38 | zykotick9 | deego: i don't use ntfs so i don't know the specifics. |
| 17:59.41 | valdyn | wwd: just like the sdx will vanish |
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| 17:59.51 | os_ | deego, i mean dmask and fmask |
| 17:59.57 | deego | ah |
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| 18:00.08 | os_ | set them to 0 |
| 18:00.08 | deego | This is an external hd, I am just trying to copy data to it. |
| 18:00.11 | wwd | okay, i turned it off, and physically removed the disk… going to see what happens |
| 18:00.22 | deego | ok, let me go try dmask and fmask =0 as well. |
| 18:00.29 | os_ | if you want any user to full acess to it |
| 18:00.35 | wwd | i imagine my stab entry is not going to like md0 not being around anymore… ahh yes a new problem, all fun though |
| 18:00.47 | os_ | deego, remove umask |
| 18:01.08 | Catnaroek | Hello. Sorry for repeating a question. I wanted to add a key binding for "gnome-screenshot -a" and I ended up adding a key binding for another action that had no key binding originally. How can I delete the key binding for that other action? |
| 18:01.13 | TransistOrg | I have a networking problem, my rigs loose their IPs after ~10hrs, I can click that networking icon on the bottom right "auto eth0" and it would connect and get an IP, I've been told that the OS does not get iself a new IP when connection is lost. I am more used to windows, that does that by itself, I had to reboot my router so it would give back ips, all windows nodes came back but I had |
| 18:01.14 | TransistOrg | to phisically reboot all the debians. |
| 18:01.14 | acu | any news of when is Wheezy freezing ? |
| 18:01.50 | valdyn | wwd: you should be getting an email notification btw |
| 18:02.24 | wwd | valdyn: through what mechanism? |
| 18:02.51 | deego | os_, alkisg I tried -o dmask=0,fmask=0 |
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| 18:02.57 | valdyn | wwd: mdadm is also a monitoring daemon. I think its that daemon that sends the mail |
| 18:02.58 | deego | Still the same result. :( |
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| 18:03.11 | alkisg | deego: I didn't propose dmask, I proposed dmesg |
| 18:03.11 | deego | I also tried all 3: -o umask=0,dmask=0,fmask=0, no luck |
| 18:03.20 | os_ | deego, Ah do you use ntfs or ntfs -3g? |
| 18:03.32 | os_ | use ntfs-3g |
| 18:03.42 | os_ | install it |
| 18:04.05 | os_ | deego, and umask is not important |
| 18:04.28 | somiaj | deego: yes if it is an ntfs partition, intsall ntfs-3g to write. Also really you shoule probably just use uid and gid options to set the uid/gid of the mount to the user you want to copy to/from |
| 18:04.41 | somiaj | acu: My guess is near the end of this year it will freeze |
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| 18:04.52 | deego | Oh, guys, this is just a minimal install cd. |
| 18:05.06 | deego | I have no working gnu installed on the machien. :( |
| 18:05.14 | dvs | deego: netinst is pretty small |
| 18:05.38 | os_ | deego, u can't install ntfs-3g? |
| 18:05.52 | deego | oh, using apt-get? let me try. sorry that I misunderstood. |
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| 18:06.36 | os_ | deego, NP |
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| 18:06.44 | deego | Ah, this shell doesn't understand apt-get. :( |
| 18:07.02 | os_ | hmmm |
| 18:07.11 | somiaj | deego: are you trying to use a rescue cd to backup a system. You might want to grab a live image from live.debian.net so you have a full live enviorment |
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| 18:07.33 | somiaj | the shell on the deban installers (such as the netinstall) is very limited and a pain to use |
| 18:07.41 | deego | somiaj: I burned the live system 4 times. For some reason, this machine can only see minimal cd's. I don't understand why. |
| 18:08.00 | deego | (burned using 4 different machines.) |
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| 18:08.50 | deego | Hm, I think I wil try to install a minimal debian in a small partition, try to "bootstrap" from it, then copy data away, and then install a full gnu/linux |
| 18:08.58 | karlpinc | deego: There's a pretty minimal live cd, iirc. |
| 18:09.17 | g00se | Can anyone assist me getting a new (from 5.0) mysql-server-5.1 running? It won't start |
| 18:09.18 | somiaj | there is a standard live cd that contains all standard packages (and better) |
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| 18:09.20 | deego | Yeah. :(. Thanks for all your help, everyone. |
| 18:09.36 | somiaj | there is also a resuce live image that tries to contain any tools someone will need for a rescue system |
| 18:09.42 | karlpinc | g00se: Look in the logs, in /var/log/mysql/ |
| 18:09.42 | somiaj | its all shell no gui |
| 18:09.56 | deego | somiaj: yes, there is, But: "<deego> somiaj: I burned the live system 4 times. For some reason, this |
| 18:09.57 | deego | machine can only see minimal cd's. I don't understand why" |
| 18:09.57 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.35 | gnarface | deego: user error or bad cdrom drive |
| 18:10.36 | g00se | karlpinc: Thanks. I actually tried to invoke mysql directly and got an error. Is that a good way of debugging? |
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| 18:10.50 | deego | gnarface: yeah, either or. Probably the latter :) |
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| 18:25.11 | jhutchins_wk | What's the canonical method to allow members of a specific group to run a script as a specific user? |
| 18:26.55 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: canonical is mode 4750 I guess, but I'd prefer /etc/sudoers (for accountability) |
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| 18:34.56 | srm | I'm curios: during squezze isntall (ppc) is there some way to get a guided partitioning but don't use the whole disk space? (preferably using encrypted LVM) |
| 18:35.13 | gnarface | haha |
| 18:35.25 | gnarface | hahahaha |
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| 18:35.37 | DanTheBeastMan | Hi so I have two computers I'm having similar problems with, any idea how to get around this? http://pastebin.com/QQccdXh6 |
| 18:35.39 | srm | I'm just too stupid to set up encrypted LVM on my PPC … yaboot reports a unknown/corrupted filesystem on boot |
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| 18:36.12 | forestbird | srm: you have to amend the layout for the that |
| 18:36.23 | forestbird | srm: /the// |
| 18:36.28 | srm | forestbird: are you talking about the yaboot conf file? |
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| 18:37.27 | forestbird | srm: no, i mean you say: guided... then amend it so that it doesn't take all space |
| 18:37.37 | deego | haha, you were trying to tell me too. All I had to do is use -t ntfs-3g when mounting. |
| 18:37.43 | srm | uh, let me have a look forestbird |
| 18:37.46 | deego | It was already loaded in the cd. |
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| 18:40.51 | DanTheBeastMan | anyone, bueller, anyone? |
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| 18:44.27 | DanTheBeastMan | I don't always come into irc for help, but when I do, it's because my computer is totally borked.. |
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| 18:45.01 | cariva | ciao |
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| 18:45.11 | cariva | !list |
| 18:45.12 | dpkg | cariva: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:45.20 | giantkiar | hi there |
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| 18:47.46 | dawud | DanTheBeastMan: what happens if you manually move /etc/pam.d/slim out of the way, say, to root's $HOME and retry apt ? |
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| 18:49.32 | DanTheBeastMan | dawud, doesn't change anything |
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| 18:52.13 | dawud | DanTheBeastMan: can you purge slim? |
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| 18:53.11 | tremon | DanTheBeastMan: dpkg -P statler-slim-theme |
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| 18:54.52 | DanTheBeastMan | tremon you are a gentleman and a scholar, thank you.. I'll have to man dpkg to find out what that just did |
| 18:54.52 | deed02392 | Hi guys, I have cloned a debian installation from a physical machine to a virtual machine and i'm struggling to get it to boot. it's debian 4 etch, and I am trying to reinstall grub on it right now |
| 18:55.16 | singultus | Coasting has stopped working here a couple months ago for no reason... this is a Dell with an Alps touchpad and I'm using Synaptics... |
| 18:55.21 | deed02392 | at the moment i'm booted up in the latest debian rescue live cd |
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| 18:55.38 | tremon | DanTheBeastMan: I don't know about that, you're better off reading man pages before following random advice from the internet |
| 18:55.45 | tremon | ;) |
| 18:55.47 | deed02392 | the only grub utility i can see on it is 'grub-installer', but that fails saying 'grub-probe: not found' |
| 18:56.05 | deed02392 | then wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
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| 18:56.34 | tremon | but anyway, I told you to remove the theme, since it was preventing you from installing slim (and the package doesn't appear to be from Debian). File a bug against the theme |
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| 18:57.42 | DanTheBeastMan | tremon, touche' |
| 18:57.55 | singultus | deed02392 use a live cd in the virtual machine, chroot, and then install grub and make a new initrd |
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| 18:58.24 | deed02392 | that's what I'm trying to do singultus :( but I can't get grub to install, what is the name of the binary in the live cd? |
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| 18:58.40 | deed02392 | the only thing I can find is 'grub-installer' but i can't find a manual for it |
| 18:59.04 | DanTheBeastMan | I will, thank you. I'm running Crunchbang Linux, which is essentially Squeeze with Openbox and tint2 and a couple handy scripts... |
| 18:59.33 | tremon | deed02392: I don't think the live-cd has grub, it has no need for it |
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| 19:00.15 | singultus | use a Ubuntu live cd, or any other that has 'grub-install' |
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| 19:00.45 | singultus | and don't forget to bind /proc and /dev |
| 19:00.56 | deed02392 | omg i've tried like 3 isos now |
| 19:00.58 | tremon | ... or install it (assuming the live-cd has a rw / on tmpfs) |
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| 19:01.10 | deed02392 | it's the debian rescue disc, doesnt it have grub on it |
| 19:01.13 | deed02392 | god damn |
| 19:01.27 | singultus | You don't need it, though; |
| 19:01.32 | singultus | your install has grub-install |
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| 19:01.39 | singultus | you just need to chroot into it |
| 19:01.40 | tremon | the rescue disc doesn't need it either, since (hopefully) the system you're trying to rescue already has grub :) |
| 19:01.55 | deed02392 | it doesn't actually, i don't think :/ |
| 19:02.01 | singultus | of course it does |
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| 19:02.05 | deed02392 | at least there is no entry in /boot/grub |
| 19:02.21 | singultus | does it have lilo? |
| 19:02.22 | deed02392 | oh ok |
| 19:02.26 | deed02392 | it might do |
| 19:02.28 | deed02392 | let me see |
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| 19:03.25 | fatota | Hi. How can i tell apt-get to use dh_install --list-missing instead of --fail-missing while building package from sources? |
| 19:03.34 | deed02392 | nope, no lilo dir in /boot either |
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| 19:03.43 | singultus | forget the dir, then |
| 19:03.43 | deed02392 | maybe vmware removed it when attemping p2v |
| 19:03.45 | deed02392 | but it failed |
| 19:04.15 | tremon | deed02392: lilo doesn't need any files in /boot, it relies on /etc/lilo.conf |
| 19:04.16 | deed02392 | right i am chrooted into it |
| 19:04.22 | DanTheBeastMan | Okay, now on my other computer.. http://pastebin/N8x5uTqU |
| 19:04.34 | singultus | How the hell did the install in the physical machine boot, then? |
| 19:04.54 | deed02392 | i know man, |
| 19:04.55 | deed02392 | ah yes |
| 19:04.59 | deed02392 | i have a lilo.conf in etc! |
| 19:05.34 | madsci44 | apt-get install grub |
| 19:05.46 | singultus | ok, then just type "lilo" |
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| 19:05.50 | madsci44 | debootstrap may not have put that in ? |
| 19:05.54 | tremon | you need to re-run lilo, probably the p2v changed disk/sector offsets |
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| 19:06.18 | deed02392 | i ran lilo |
| 19:06.26 | deed02392 | it just said "Added linux *" and exited |
| 19:07.01 | tremon | is not familiar with post-y2k lilo output |
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| 19:07.13 | deed02392 | hehe |
| 19:07.31 | singultus | if you use an initrd you might need to create one again |
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| 19:08.10 | DanTheBeastMan | Whoops I meant http://pastebin.com/N8x5uTqU |
| 19:08.35 | tremon | DanTheBeastMan: that should be all warnings, any error in there? |
| 19:08.54 | deed02392 | would you suggest install grub and replace lilo |
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| 19:09.24 | deed02392 | is it possible lilo doesn't work in a virtual machine |
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| 19:09.59 | singultus | it should work |
| 19:10.02 | tremon | deed02392: I prefer grub for all machines, but lilo should work too |
| 19:10.29 | madsci44 | i could be wrong but I would think modern grub is better equipped to handle devices and such particularly in cases such as automatically installing itself from a chroot |
| 19:10.33 | singultus | but if it's just a single vm you're creating, perhaps you'd be better off with a fresh install |
| 19:10.33 | fatota | Sevet, could you please tell me how can i replace dh_install --fail-missing with --list-missing after apt-get -b source command? |
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| 19:10.38 | tremon | and grub vs lilo can be a religious argument for some people, so I try not to get into such |
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| 19:10.52 | deed02392 | understood |
| 19:10.54 | madsci44 | I've used grub-install in a chroot target of a cloned system and it works fantastically |
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| 19:10.59 | deed02392 | i think madsci44 makes a good point |
| 19:11.32 | paulfm | Hi everyone |
| 19:11.38 | paulfm | Can some kind soul please tell me why 'host <hostname>' times out 50% of the time when querying the same host, but 'dig <hostname>' works every time?… are they very different?.. thanks for any insight. |
| 19:11.39 | madsci44 | debootstrap - i havent used for a while but I know its very minimal so it probably jsut grub wasnt included |
| 19:12.07 | tremon | debootstrap doesn't install any bootloader by default |
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| 19:21.29 | r3m | Hi, synergy has a known bug with version 1.3.1 that come with squeeze. i put the backport in sources.list and i aptitude -t squeeze-backports install synergy (however its still the 1.3.1 version, i dont forget to remove before installing the backport version) |
| 19:21.35 | r3m | and i apt-get update |
| 19:22.20 | DanTheBeastMan | More problems with dpkg... http://pastebin/N8x5uTqU |
| 19:22.33 | DanTheBeastMan | http://pastebin.com/N8x5uTqU |
| 19:23.04 | DanTheBeastMan | happens with every package I work with, installing or removing |
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| 19:25.00 | statix | How can I check if dependency-based boot is enabled? |
| 19:27.19 | statix | In other words, how can I tell if boot scripts will execute by dependency or by rc*.d ? |
| 19:27.22 | tremon | statix: grep CONC /etc/init.d/rc |
| 19:27.29 | boston8372 | i usually run 'set' to dump out my environment vars, but on the mac (ssh to all my debian boxes) it spits out some script junk. and printenv is not alphabetized any ideas ? |
| 19:28.01 | tremon | boston8372: printenv|sort ? |
| 19:28.14 | dvs | DanTheBeastMan: Looks like your locales are not set up correctly. Try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to see if that fixes the problem. |
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| 19:29.59 | zro | whats the easiest way to go about installing firmware-brcm80211 on a machine that doesnt have an internet connection? |
| 19:30.08 | boston8372 | thx i guess the difference in output was extra junk that didnt matter |
| 19:30.10 | tremon | statix: btw, configuration itself is not in that file, but /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:30.22 | DanTheBeastMan | dvs: locales is not installed |
| 19:30.31 | statix | zro: stick the .deb on a usb thumbdrive formatted with FAT32 |
| 19:30.40 | dvs | DanTheBeastMan: then that's the problem |
| 19:30.55 | DanTheBeastMan | how do I install it when apt-get is borked |
| 19:31.11 | dvs | DanTheBeastMan: manually with dpkg |
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| 19:32.08 | zro | how can i make apt-get just download the .deb? |
| 19:32.12 | mroe | aptitude is pretty good at not being borked |
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| 19:32.18 | tremon | DanTheBeastMan: ... or unset LANG and try again |
| 19:32.37 | jordanm | zro: apt-get download |
| 19:32.39 | valdyn | zro: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 19:32.51 | statix | zro: apt-get -d install package |
| 19:33.04 | jordanm | aptitude download if you want to do it as non-root to the currect directory |
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| 19:33.41 | DanTheBeastMan | I had a copy inside /var/cache/apt/archives, `dpkg -i` returns nothing |
| 19:33.47 | dvs | zro: Or use the "-d" option |
| 19:33.50 | tremon | jordanm: cool. Is that a recent addition or have I plainly missed that for years? |
| 19:33.55 | dvs | oops too late |
| 19:34.20 | jordanm | tremon: been around as long as I can remember, but I just started debian with etch |
| 19:34.41 | tremon | hmm... that should have been long enough for me to notice it's there... |
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| 19:34.59 | err404 | 504 Connect to debian.fr:80 failed: Connection timed out <-- ? |
| 19:34.59 | DanTheBeastMan | aptitude says /var/lock/aptitude doesn't exist |
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| 19:38.00 | valdyn | DanTheBeastMan: so? |
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| 19:39.02 | luke-jr | If software can optionally dlopen-link with a non-free library, but needs the headers from that to build, can it be in main, or does it need to be in contrib? |
| 19:39.20 | valdyn | luke-jr: main |
| 19:39.47 | valdyn | luke-jr: i wouldnt call that "link" though |
| 19:39.57 | luke-jr | valdyn: how should the debian/ dir deal with getting the headers to build? |
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| 19:40.13 | valdyn | luke-jr: or this is typically more like optionally usable plugins |
| 19:40.47 | valdyn | luke-jr: needing non-free headers to compile is an *additional* requirement |
| 19:40.49 | tremon | valdyn: are you sure? the resulting binary would be fine, but its source cannot be built on a dfsg-compliant machine |
| 19:41.04 | valdyn | tremon: no, see above |
| 19:41.24 | luke-jr | tremon: even if we consider that public API headers are not copyrightable in some jurisdictions? |
| 19:41.56 | valdyn | luke-jr: the US is what matters usually, in this case |
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| 19:42.07 | zro | thanks, solved |
| 19:42.11 | tremon | we didn't establish yet whether the headers were part of a public api :) |
| 19:42.33 | valdyn | luke-jr: or debian would need something like non-US called "russia-only" ;) |
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| 19:43.19 | valdyn | luke-jr: the headers need to be in main first anyway for the package to be in main |
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| 19:44.04 | luke-jr | valdyn: can't just bundle them in the debian/ dir or such? ;) |
| 19:44.20 | valdyn | luke-jr: if they are dfsg-free |
| 19:44.33 | tremon | also, "the judge in [the Google v Oracle] case instructed the jury to assume the APIs were copyrightable" |
| 19:44.35 | luke-jr | valdyn: that depends on whether they can be copyrighted at all, I guess |
| 19:44.49 | valdyn | tremon: thats going to fuck up almost everything |
| 19:44.49 | tremon | jumps to #ot |
| 19:44.51 | fatota | When i create packages with equivs, can i put directory names instead of file names in Files section? |
| 19:45.04 | valdyn | tremon: linux would be non-free probably.. |
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| 19:45.45 | valdyn | ( or would have been till bsd got freed ) |
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| 19:49.19 | giantkiar | I have a this problem on Debian Squeeze: my sound card volume is very low, but in alsamixer everything is ok. What can I do? Thanks |
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| 19:54.04 | luke-jr | tremon: "the APIs were" != "that APIs are" |
| 19:54.24 | luke-jr | tremon: perhaps there is something specific to the APIs in question there |
| 19:54.40 | tremon | other than being public api? |
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| 19:56.31 | srm | forestbird: ok, lvm encrypted swap+root now working on ppc. Looks like I've screwed up the newworld partitioning scheme in the first place |
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| 19:57.05 | srm | forestbird: thanks for the tip |
| 19:57.19 | davidgul | hi |
| 19:57.28 | davidgul | Some one can help me |
| 19:57.48 | davidgul | How can i conect to sftp with lftp ? |
| 19:58.29 | peterrooney | srm: there is also #debianppc - while sometimes not rapid response, overall a rather knowledgeable lot |
| 19:59.45 | srm | thanks peterrooney |
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| 20:07.42 | davidgul | How can i conect to sftp with lftp ? |
| 20:08.49 | dshep | hm trying to install gcc-multilib, apt complains 'libc6-dev-i386: Depends: libc6-i386 (= 2.11.3-2) but 2.11.3-3 is installed' |
| 20:09.09 | dshep | is it safe for me to downgrade to 2.11.3-2? |
| 20:09.10 | valdyn | davidgul: lftp sftp://hostname |
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| 20:10.28 | nkuttler | dshep: apt-cache policy libc6-i386 ? |
| 20:10.53 | davidgul | valdyn : And how can i copy a folder ? |
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| 20:12.00 | valdyn | davidgul: download or really copy? |
| 20:13.10 | davidgul | valdyn : download |
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| 20:13.20 | valdyn | davidgul: mget folder |
| 20:13.43 | simonlnu | he could also type help and find out |
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| 20:14.29 | valdyn | mget folder doesnt work anyway |
| 20:14.43 | dshep | nkuttler: here's what it looks like, sorry this is kind of new to me so here's the whole thing: http://pastie.org/3845366 |
| 20:14.46 | simonlnu | mget is for multiples |
| 20:15.00 | davidgul | valdyn : how can i select the folder whare i wont the file save ? |
| 20:15.10 | valdyn | mget in ncftp gets directories too iirc |
| 20:15.35 | simonlnu | ah. different implementations ^^ |
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| 20:15.41 | valdyn | yea |
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| 20:15.48 | valdyn | i know its not part of ftp |
| 20:15.51 | simonlnu | davidgul: lcd |
| 20:15.51 | DanTheBeastMan | okay, so I ditched an install and now I'm building a Wheezy system from a live cd using debootstrap, any tips? |
| 20:16.06 | simonlnu | davidgul: "local cd" |
| 20:16.31 | simonlnu | davidgul: man lftp ;) |
| 20:16.36 | DanTheBeastMan | I still keep getting locale errors, evem after running dpkg-reconfigure locales and setting en-us.utf8 or whatever it is |
| 20:16.43 | zimba12 | I know I have small chances, but i ask it anyway. I can't make S-Video to work on my debian on the lemote fuloong. can you give me ideas on easy things to try? |
| 20:17.03 | simonlnu | DanTheBeastMan: and the locale won't get set properly until you log out |
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| 20:17.38 | simonlnu | that's what's called a red herring |
| 20:17.44 | valdyn | davidgul: the mirror command seems to be for copying directories and various "advanced" copy operations |
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| 20:20.22 | robin_debspace | Hello everyone! Quick Cron question… I've created a one-line shell script in /etc/cron.hourly that will produce output at each run, and I'd like to have that output piped to a file. I tried appending >> /absolute/path/to/filename.log to the command, but for some reason, I still get EMails with the output and nothing is written to the file… What do I have to do to get it right? :-) |
| 20:21.07 | divbell | probably >> /path/to/logfile.log 2>&1 |
| 20:21.13 | divbell | to capture stderr too |
| 20:22.12 | robin_debspace | divbell: Oh, thanks! I've seen the 2>&1 before… But what does that actually mean? Sorry |
| 20:22.36 | divbell | it says to send stderr to the place stdout is being redirected |
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| 20:23.51 | divbell | man bash has a more thorough examination of that |
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| 20:24.37 | DeeTah | guys, sound in my flash recently stopped working. i already tested typical solutions, no help. anyone knows how to debug it? |
| 20:24.40 | robin_debspace | divbell: Ah, OK! Yeah, that makes sense… I think I honestly need to read up on input / output streams and how to redirect them :-) |
| 20:25.03 | divbell | it's a huge manpage, it takes time to digest it all |
| 20:25.07 | divbell | search around "Redirecting Standard Output and Standard Error" |
| 20:25.11 | luke-jr | valdyn: so… can a package be in both main and contrib built differently? <.< |
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| 20:25.18 | divbell | though they touch on it in other sections |
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| 20:26.25 | divbell | so are we getting a new stock kernel in 6.0.5 or will it still be 2.6.32-5 |
| 20:26.45 | dvs | divbell: The stock kernel wont change |
| 20:27.20 | robin_debspace | divbell: man bash… Damn, that's huge!!! Like you said :-) But yes… I guess I'm gonna have to read through all of it at some point, like during a cold, rainy day :-) |
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| 20:30.25 | nkuttler | dshep: you should probably ask the other admin how that libc6-i386 version was installed. it's not in debian |
| 20:30.31 | divbell | dvs, thanks |
| 20:30.35 | dvs | no prob |
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| 20:31.26 | peterrooney | robin_debspace: no fooling. it's approximately a 10000 word novella, only without dialogue |
| 20:31.28 | M4d3L | hi. if I boot and see No More processes left in this runlevel? what that mean? |
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| 20:31.47 | M4d3L | DD blow up? |
| 20:32.24 | mo1991 | can anyone point me in a good direction for some app / method to lock mouse1 keyboard1 to screen 1 - mouse 2 keyboard2 to screen 2, etc. |
| 20:32.40 | mo1991 | Otherwise possibly a way to hotkey the mouse from screen 1 to screen 2 |
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| 20:35.40 | abrotman | mo1991: googlel "xorg multiple input devices" maybe |
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| 20:42.11 | somiaj | divbell: squeeze is a frozen system for the most part, So you will only get a newer 2.6.32 kernel (which means it will be the same major kernel version, with all known security holes patched and usually support for some new devices addded) |
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| 20:42.30 | Mixxit | hey i can't seem to connect to apt |
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| 20:42.37 | Mixxit | 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (2001:500:61:28::70)] [Connecting to securi |
| 20:42.39 | Mixxit | gets stuck on that |
| 20:42.47 | Mixxit | i can ping it ok |
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| 20:45.28 | DanTheBeastMan | I cannot get away from these locale errors.. Everything I install right now is giving me locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 20:45.41 | wonx | I have a question, i'm trying to update my repository, but I get a 404 error. I'm using debian stable in a mips device |
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| 20:46.50 | epsilon | wonx: 404 on apt-get update? Then check your /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 20:46.56 | wonx | I get this error: Err http://ftp.es.debian.org squeeze/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 20:47.10 | wonx | maybe the mips processor is no longer supported by debian? |
| 20:47.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I run reprepro to add more packages to a local package repository, but the repository already has an older version of a package, what action does reprepro take? Keeps both versions? Or maybe removes the old and replaces with the newer one? |
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| 20:48.31 | nkuttler | DanTheBeastMan: is locales installed? |
| 20:48.34 | epsilon | wonx: http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ |
| 20:48.36 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: try it and see ? |
| 20:48.50 | wonx | I'm checking that page |
| 20:49.34 | DanTheBeastMan | nkuttler, yeah |
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| 20:50.32 | nkuttler | DanTheBeastMan: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:50.32 | DanTheBeastMan | I've done locale -a, locale-gen, made sure /etc/defaults/locales is correct |
| 20:50.41 | DanTheBeastMan | done that too |
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| 20:51.06 | dvs | DanTheBeastMan: log out and back in again? |
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| 20:51.16 | DanTheBeastMan | I'm chrooted, but I did that too |
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| 20:51.46 | DanTheBeastMan | wait.. |
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| 20:52.11 | DanTheBeastMan | it won't seem to take to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:52.38 | DanTheBeastMan | LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are both unset, but I selected en_US from the menu.. |
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| 20:54.22 | wonx | Ok, i changed the repository and now it's working :) |
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| 20:56.22 | DanTheBeastMan | oh. |
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| 20:56.34 | DanTheBeastMan | /etc/environment is empty |
| 20:58.17 | knicn | Debian Sid (newly updated) on PPC (Powerbook G4) with XFCE. After updating the colors don't look alright. I don't know the right word but I think it's the color depth. Wallpaper looks a bit pixelated and the iceweasel icon in the start page as well. Any ideas on what to do? |
| 20:58.26 | DanTheBeastMan | but.. it still didn't help |
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| 20:58.41 | _ramok | hi |
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| 20:59.20 | _ramok | how can i completely remove a package? i've installe mongodb and mongodb-server and tried to do a apt-get remove --purge mongodb mongodb-server |
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| 20:59.34 | _ramok | but after this, i'm just able to do /etc/init.d/mongodb ... |
| 21:00.34 | divbell | so is the wheezy freeze still slated for june? |
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| 21:05.14 | fscken | knicn: I'd start with using the native resolution of your screen and the highest bit that is listed, probably 32bit (millions of colors) |
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| 21:05.40 | N1x_1 | hi guys |
| 21:05.47 | N1x_1 | can i change wallpaper on my external monitor? |
| 21:06.01 | knicn | fscken: but where do i set that? I don't see anything in XFCEs settings |
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| 21:07.42 | fscken | right click on the desktop and you can navigate to system settings, should be under Displays |
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| 21:08.56 | knicn | fscken: There's only Resolution, Update frequency, Rotation and Reflection there |
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| 21:09.57 | fscken | knicn: I don't have the desktop in front of me, I would start with switching to a higher resilotion |
| 21:10.09 | fscken | *resolution |
| 21:10.11 | esaym153 | what is a good ide to use for python debugging? I need to step through some code. |
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| 21:10.27 | knicn | fscken: There's only one option and it looks right. Only problem is the colors |
| 21:10.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | By default reprepro makes copies of packages and places them into a proper package pool. Is there a flag or option to tell it to actually just move the existing files rather than making copies? This would probably be much faster. |
| 21:10.40 | ablemann | esaym153: pdb |
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| 21:11.33 | DanTheBeastMan | so I have a live cd using woring wireless drivers.. how do I figure out which package to install in my debootstrap chroot? |
| 21:11.58 | DanTheBeastMan | lspci -k says b43-pci-bridge.. |
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| 21:13.06 | fscken | knicn: I think this might help you: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Color_Profile |
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| 21:28.24 | knicn | fscken: I installed xcalib but didn't really see anything about color depth. Have to leave though so I guess I'll try again later. Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:33.01 | roboman2444 | for some reason my sound on my laptrap just suddenly stopped working |
| 21:33.10 | roboman2444 | i think its an alsa or pulse problem |
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| 21:45.38 | ska | How do I put a backports entry into sources.list? Where are the backports for archives? |
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| 21:51.00 | Black_Prince | ska: http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 21:51.13 | Black_Prince | if that's what you meant |
| 21:51.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any way to see how many GBs of packages have are in each release? Is that info recorded somewhere online? |
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| 21:52.03 | Black_Prince | LinuxGuy2009: something like this? http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 21:53.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Black_Prince: Great thanks! |
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| 21:55.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | Black_Prince: Hmm they dont break it down like how many GB per release. Like 30GB in squeeze, ???GB for lenny, etc. Thats what I need. |
| 21:55.54 | Black_Prince | er ... |
| 21:56.09 | Black_Prince | look at size of iso images? |
| 21:56.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Black_Prince: Ahh perfect. Smart. |
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| 22:00.48 | ska | Is there a way to get aptitude to install a 3rd party .deb package? |
| 22:00.58 | NomadJim | How do you install a backport when it has a dependency that doesn't exist in the backports? Example: rudy-ldap, ruby-mocha, ruby-sqlite3 are all blacked out for http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/puppet-testsuite |
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| 22:03.20 | nkuttler | ska: which package? |
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| 22:04.12 | nkuttler | !tell NomadJim about errors |
| 22:04.36 | NomadJim | nkuttler: Error is "Depends: ruby-sqlite3 but it is not installable" |
| 22:05.00 | streuner__ | judd, versions ruby-sqlite3 |
| 22:05.01 | judd | Package: ruby-sqlite3 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.3.5-1; sid: 1.3.6-1 |
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| 22:05.22 | harrisonk | I have a small problem with debian on my homeserver, I can acess it from any computer, but when I ssh into it, it's like it's not connected to the internet, I can't download anything, or ping anything, I looked at /etc/network/interfaces and I didn't see anything wrong, so any ideas?..... |
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| 22:06.08 | NomadJim | judd: thanks, so is it best practices if I'm on squeezy to pull from wheezy or sid? |
| 22:06.13 | NomadJim | squeeze |
| 22:06.47 | nvz | harrisonk: ping -c 1 173.194.43.6 |
| 22:07.01 | nkuttler | NomadJim: certainly not. not very familiar with backports.. this looks like you should file a bug somewhere |
| 22:07.10 | harrisonk | nvz: okay.... |
| 22:07.11 | nvz | harrisonk: if you don't get a reply from that, pastebin the output of route |
| 22:07.30 | nkuttler | NomadJim: see http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:07.32 | nvz | harrisonk: if you do get a reply then dns is your issue, pastebin /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:08.16 | NomadJim | nkuttler: yeah those are the instructions I used to install, apt-get -t squeeze-backports install puppet-testsuite |
| 22:08.25 | harrisonk | nvz: it worked, I'll pastebin that other file.... |
| 22:08.26 | NomadJim | nkuttler: I'll ask in #puppet I guess if this is a bug |
| 22:08.46 | roboman2444 | so no help on the sound issues? |
| 22:09.00 | nkuttler | NomadJim: i doubt they'll care about debian packaging... i told you to submit a bug.. do you see how that link was related to this? |
| 22:09.32 | harrisonk | http://pastebin.com/rWeK09U6 |
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| 22:09.41 | nkuttler | NomadJim: actually, there's #debian-backports, probably at oftc |
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| 22:10.08 | nvz | harrisonk: that would be your problem |
| 22:10.28 | NomadJim | nkuttler: yeah I scrolled down and i see the bug report link now |
| 22:10.39 | harrisonk | hmm, now that I see that, my modem recieved updates.... that might have done it.... |
| 22:10.49 | harrisonk | it's a 2wire modem |
| 22:10.52 | nvz | harrisonk: gateway.2wire.net is not a valid host |
| 22:11.15 | harrisonk | nvz: what DNS would you recomend then? |
| 22:11.25 | nvz | harrisonk: if all else fails use google's dns servers 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 22:11.56 | nvz | harrisonk: your ISP should provide you with a valid dns, but if they're stupid, those ips will suffice |
| 22:12.22 | harrisonk | so, 8.8.8.8 would go in the domain, and 8.8.4.4 would go under search? |
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| 22:12.45 | nvz | harrisonk: for more information and their privacy terms info see https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/ |
| 22:13.08 | nvz | harrisonk: you need not edit those files directly especially if using dhcp |
| 22:13.54 | harrisonk | oh, I just did..... |
| 22:14.14 | harrisonk | but hopefully they work, I am rebooting the server now |
| 22:14.18 | nvz | harrisonk: well you probably did it wrong |
| 22:14.24 | harrisonk | oh |
| 22:14.25 | nvz | and those files will be overwritten |
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| 22:14.40 | nvz | harrisonk: dhcp creates them based on what the dhcp server replies |
| 22:14.52 | harrisonk | okay, when the server comes back up from the reboot, where should I put those IPs? |
| 22:14.58 | nvz | harrisonk: therefore the dhcp server is what need be changed or else change the file and DONT REBOOT |
| 22:15.07 | harrisonk | oh |
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| 22:15.40 | nvz | harrisonk: if this is your home network, its your router thats the problem |
| 22:16.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a command or simple way to list basic info about a package, specifically which section of the repository it belongs in? Such as main, contrib, non-free? (I'm trying to put together a local package repository.) |
| 22:17.17 | nvz | harrisonk: full documentation on use of google dns is available at https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using it covers windows, macosx, linux, routers, mobile devices..etc |
| 22:18.47 | gotmynick | it's like gmail but for DNS, a free service that tracks all that you do (DNS querys) and "customizes" internet for you |
| 22:19.09 | nkuttler | LinuxGuy2009: apt-cache show |
| 22:19.46 | nvz | harrisonk: though in your router's defense it probably only does what the ISP tells it to do in this case.. because you probably use DHCP to the ISP as well.. but you can manually set dns in most any router and contact your ISP and bitch |
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| 22:20.44 | harrisonk | nvz: my modem/router has 2 dns addresses in it, but my server is also acessible form the internet |
| 22:20.52 | harrisonk | so that might cause a problem |
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| 22:21.58 | harrisonk | I think this is why I never got into networking.... |
| 22:22.44 | nvz | heh, networking can be a pita sometimes, but it has simple diagnostic trees just like anything else |
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| 22:24.42 | dokma | should /etc/hostname contain hostname only or hostname.domain.tld ?? |
| 22:26.59 | nvz | dokma: just the hostname |
| 22:27.09 | themill | (see hostname(1)) |
| 22:27.22 | nvz | was going to say that |
| 22:28.11 | dokma | tx! |
| 22:28.22 | nvz | texas? |
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| 22:30.35 | harrisonk | nvz: I think it's a really short verstion of thanks |
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| 22:32.48 | nvz | ve2hkw: and I'm giving you a blank stupid stare right now.. because that makes no sense at all.. which was my point |
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| 22:51.07 | _ramok1 | hi |
| 22:51.35 | _ramok1 | how can i change the timezone? currently it says: Di 1. Mai 18:50:59 EDT 2012 on my system... but it's 00:51 am on second of may here |
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| 22:52.16 | allorder | _ramok1: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 22:52.56 | _ramok1 | allorder: thanks, found it |
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| 23:10.46 | nvz | actually seems like the servers are being DDoSed cause there is nothing to indicate a netsplit and so far no notices from the staff |
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| 23:11.37 | __zero | oh that's not good |
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| 23:12.19 | nvz | well idk how else to splain people in those volumes leaving with read errors, ping timeouts, sendq errors.. etc |
| 23:12.31 | nvz | just ignored JOINS from #debian |
| 23:12.59 | nvz | I'd like to ignore PARTS too but I hate not knowing when someone leaves when I'm in the middle of talking to em.. |
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| 23:14.39 | nvz | whatever is going on it doesnt seem to be effecting zelazny in Corvallis |
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| 23:19.08 | duckx0r | I just installed debian on a server and I'm having trouble with the networking. When I do /etc/init.d/networking restart or reboot the machine, the network interfaces don't come up. I need to manually do ifup eth0. Is there any way this can be done automatically? |
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| 23:21.10 | petemc | duckx0r: do you have a line beginning auto in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:21.12 | nvz | duckx0r: echo "auto eth0" >> /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:21.38 | nvz | duckx0r: may also want to put something else in there like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 23:22.03 | duckx0r | can you have more than 1 auto? like auto eth0 eth1? |
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| 23:22.22 | nvz | duckx0r: debian used to do this for you by default but I'm guessing the reason it doesnt anymore is that network-manager is widely used |
| 23:22.27 | nvz | duckx0r: seperate lines |
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| 23:22.40 | nvz | duckx0r: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:23.15 | duckx0r | nvz, yes, that worked. thank you |
| 23:23.34 | nvz | duckx0r: no worries ;) |
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| 23:24.28 | roboman2444 | is there a way to completely reset my alsa? |
| 23:24.29 | duckx0r | i'll just reboot it for good measure |
| 23:24.39 | roboman2444 | there is no sound output... but recording from mic works |
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| 23:24.50 | roboman2444 | and the card still works... i tested it with a livecd |
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| 23:24.55 | nvz | roboman2444: remove the modules or run alsaconf which will remove them for you and detect and reinsert them |
| 23:25.02 | roboman2444 | ok |
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| 23:25.08 | nvz | roboman2444: sounds to me though like your issue is mixer related |
| 23:25.09 | streuner__ | roboman2444: /etc/init/alsa reset , but that doesnt work |
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| 23:25.17 | pmpbook | where can I find a list of official debian repositories? |
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| 23:25.24 | nvz | !mirrors |
| 23:25.24 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:25.31 | nvz | pmpbook: ^^ |
| 23:25.34 | pmpbook | ty |
| 23:25.38 | streuner__ | pmpbook: www.debian.org |
| 23:25.51 | roboman2444 | thanks, it worked! |
| 23:26.05 | roboman2444 | i did /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset |
| 23:26.22 | nvz | squeeze has the service command btw |
| 23:26.24 | streuner__ | pmpbook: usually, those mirrors which using debian.org in its DNS |
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| 23:26.46 | pmpbook | is there a simmilar page for wheezy> |
| 23:26.55 | nvz | pmpbook: same mirrors |
| 23:26.58 | gnarface | nvz: only if you installed it |
| 23:27.19 | roboman2444 | im in testing btw |
| 23:27.28 | nvz | gnarface: *shrug* I noticed it installed on all the machines I had installed, figured it was in base or somethign now |
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| 23:29.24 | nvz | pmpbook: official debian mirrors have three branches stable (currently squeeze 6.0.4), testing (currently wheezy), and unstable (sid as always), and 3 seperate repos, main, contrib, and non-free |
| 23:29.46 | nvz | there is also experimental but its not a full branch, just a place to toss new and broken things to tinker with |
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| 23:30.23 | lapsusbrutus | what would be a great way to encrypt and decrypt memorysticks or whole file systems using commandline only? |
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| 23:31.47 | nvz | !luks |
| 23:31.47 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>. |
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| 23:31.53 | nvz | !dm_crypt |
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| 23:32.01 | nvz | !cryptfs |
| 23:32.06 | nvz | shrugs |
| 23:32.36 | nvz | !dmcrypt |
| 23:32.37 | dpkg | dm-crypt is a Linux kernel subsystem providing a cryptographic device-mapper target, which enables filesystem encryption in files, partitions, whole disks, logical and software RAID volumes. dm-crypt is the successor of <cryptoloop> and uses the Crypto API cryptography framework. The cryptsetup and cryptmount utilites are in the cryptsetup package. http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
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| 23:33.11 | nvz | lapsusbrutus: simplest open way to do it on the fly is with dmcrypt and luks, but I have used truecrypt many times to achieve cross-platform compatibility |
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| 23:34.14 | nvz | lapsusbrutus: truecrypt is proprietary software but is available for windows, linux, macos and fairly simple to use and even has a graphical interface |
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| 23:39.03 | mahdy | when i use qemu-system-arm with -vga std or -vga vmware i got this errors : Error: standard VGA not available |
| 23:39.09 | mahdy | and : Error: VMWare SVGA not available |
| 23:39.32 | mahdy | what should i do ? im using free radeon driver |
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| 23:42.31 | lapsusbrutus | dmcrypt, cant find it in repos |
| 23:42.31 | lapsusbrutus | installed luks := |
| 23:42.31 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
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| 23:53.18 | Lautiste | ^^ |
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| 23:53.54 | Lancien | JE me retrouve encore une fois je vous Violentes tous autant que vous etes et un par un ! |
| 23:53.58 | Lancien | :D |
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