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| 00:03.00 | duckx0r | Any idea what could be causing stopping and starting networking to be extremely slow? ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 both take around 25 seconds each. |
| 00:04.51 | nvz | !fr |
| 00:04.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 00:05.05 | Patsantre | Hi guys! I have an x86_64 squeeze installation... Is there any easy way to obtain a cross-compile toolchains for x86, armel and mips architectures? |
| 00:05.23 | duckx0r | apparently it's the /etc/network/if-down.d/bind9 that is slow |
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| 00:05.53 | _ramok1 | hi |
| 00:06.00 | _ramok1 | how can i see, where a package was installled? |
| 00:06.10 | _ramok1 | especially i'm searching for php5-xdebug |
| 00:06.12 | dondelelcaro | _ramok1: dpkg -L foopkg |
| 00:07.50 | somiaj | you can also try dpkg -S php5-xdebug to see if any package owns a file like that |
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| 00:18.11 | trysten | smallest program for reading *.doc[x]? |
| 00:19.14 | nvz | trysten: google docs |
| 00:19.16 | nvz | heh |
| 00:19.38 | nvz | no installation required if you already have a browser |
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| 00:21.15 | trysten | nvz: me no rikey google. do you know of a non-google solution? |
| 00:21.23 | iandalton | What does it mean that this package is listed at <http://mentors.debian.net/package/drwright> but is not in the debian repos? Is it on some kind of track to be included? Its official home page links to that page and says Debian: not yet. |
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| 00:21.56 | pfred1 | trysten google is Linux |
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| 00:22.57 | iandalton | don't listen to him trysten, google is a company. linux is a kernel. |
| 00:24.03 | pfred1 | iandalton google is a company that runs on the Linux kernel |
| 00:24.32 | themill | iandalton: that URL shows that one person has been interested in packaging that program but that no-one has yet reviewed the package or uploaded it. You can grab the source code from there if you want, or look at any of the other alternatives that already exist in debian. |
| 00:24.51 | trysten | pfred1: that does not make it any less un-desireable |
| 00:25.34 | iandalton | themill: alright, thanks. Is there anything I can do to help get it into Debian? |
| 00:25.38 | pfred1 | trysten does too! |
| 00:25.48 | nvz | trysten: abiword, openoffice.org, koffice, antiword, there are all kinds of options |
| 00:26.48 | iandalton | pfred1: I'm afraid my tongue was firmly in cheek when I typed that :P |
| 00:26.56 | themill | iandalton: looking over the packaging for errors, trying to find bugs, checking its copyright statement. that's about it |
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| 00:27.28 | somiaj | trysten: there are also things like catdoc (turns a doc into a text file) though it may not work on newer doc files |
| 00:27.30 | pfred1 | iandalton Linux was much harder to run before Google |
| 00:27.41 | somiaj | but there are other thigns to that end that you can easily convert the doc file into something readable if that is all youwant |
| 00:27.53 | iandalton | pfred1: post hoc, ergo propter hoc? |
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| 00:28.04 | nvz | can we stop talking about google and linux, or take it elsewhere?! |
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| 00:30.53 | duckx0r | How can I debug this timed out error? http://pastebin.com/2qyvNRgB |
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| 00:32.35 | duckx0r | Why is it trying to connect to port 953 instead of 53? |
| 00:33.53 | trysten | nvz: antiword was exactly what i needed. thank you. |
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| 00:35.06 | divbell | duckx0r, netstat --inet -anp | grep -E "named|bind" |
| 00:37.03 | duckx0r | divbell, http://pastebin.com/4qJmxBsW |
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| 00:38.17 | divbell | duckx0r, grep listen-on /etc/bind/* |
| 00:38.33 | divbell | also maybe grep 953 /etc/bind/* |
| 00:38.41 | divbell | or /etc/named, or whatever it is in your installation |
| 00:39.09 | madsci44 | rndc |
| 00:39.40 | madsci44 | 's default port is 953 - thats not the same as bind its a client to communicate commands to the nameserver |
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| 00:40.26 | duckx0r | divbell, grep listen-on /etc/bind/* |
| 00:40.27 | duckx0r | /etc/bind/named.conf.options: listen-on-v6 { any; } |
| 00:40.39 | duckx0r | divbell, grep 953 /etc/bind/* has no results |
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| 00:42.18 | duckx0r | is rndc necessary? |
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| 00:42.36 | divbell | it's how you're supposed to talk to it |
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| 00:43.03 | divbell | umm, i'm not sure why it isn't working.. you're going to have to find the isc bind documentation |
| 00:43.12 | divbell | and crank up the documentation, maybe run it in debug mode |
| 00:43.21 | divbell | you'll eventually have an aha moment |
| 00:43.37 | divbell | err, crank up the logging |
| 00:43.38 | divbell | i mean |
| 00:43.39 | duckx0r | looks like stopping it is what is taking a long time. starting bind is fast and with no error |
| 00:44.00 | divbell | can you telnet localhost 953? |
| 00:44.19 | duckx0r | no |
| 00:44.21 | divbell | maybe invoke-rc.d iptables stop |
| 00:44.26 | madsci44 | rndc uses a key authenticated connection - maybe you need to regenerate the keys |
| 00:44.30 | divbell | then try again |
| 00:45.16 | duckx0r | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/iptables not found |
| 00:45.57 | divbell | oh, maybe you don't have iptables installed (iptables -L -n; iptables -F) |
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| 00:46.23 | divbell | duckx0r, how about: telnet 198.xxx.xxx.68 953 |
| 00:46.26 | sandman | What's the difference between security updates and squeeze-updates? |
| 00:46.41 | duckx0r | divbell, iptables is installed |
| 00:46.53 | divbell | duckx0r, that's unusual that you lack the init script |
| 00:46.56 | duckx0r | divbell, yeah |
| 00:46.58 | duckx0r | i agree |
| 00:47.14 | divbell | iptables -F will flush your rules so be careful |
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| 00:47.34 | divbell | iptables -L -n --line-numbers will show your rules, maybe you have something that inadvertently blocks it |
| 00:47.49 | duckx0r | i flushed it already |
| 00:47.58 | divbell | or if your default policy is REJECT/DROP, maybe you need an explicit rule to accept it |
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| 00:48.35 | divbell | rndc won't work until telneting to that port works, so there's your litmus test |
| 00:48.55 | duckx0r | divbell, yeah it doesn't work with the server IP either |
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| 00:49.24 | duckx0r | divbell, what should be listening on that port? |
| 00:49.40 | divbell | duckx0r, so when you type iptables -L -n, what is the policy? |
| 00:49.59 | divbell | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 391/named |
| 00:50.16 | divbell | and you're not seeing :953 in your netstat output at all, are you? |
| 00:50.26 | duckx0r | divbell, http://pastebin.com/zJ0aNbFX |
| 00:51.24 | divbell | duckx0r, ls -al /etc/bind/rndc.key |
| 00:51.43 | duckx0r | -rw-r----- 1 bind bind 77 May 2 01:35 /etc/bind/rndc.key |
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| 00:53.11 | TheLegace | hi i was wondering how i could chroot into this debian install i have on my external cf card |
| 00:53.47 | madsci44 | if bind was listening, you would see "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15724/named " in your netstat |
| 00:54.03 | divbell | duckx0r, i don't know, that matches mine.. so it must be something in your named.conf, named.conf.options, or named.conf.local |
| 00:54.53 | divbell | thelegace, mount it and type chroot /mnt/dir |
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| 00:56.50 | nsadmin | TheLegace, you could mount it somewhere (the installer uses /target, so /target/ is /, /target/home is /home, etc) |
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| 00:57.08 | nsadmin | you will have to mount some other stuff which is not actually disks |
| 00:57.22 | nsadmin | like, /proc, /sys and /dev |
| 00:57.28 | nsadmin | and maybe /dev/ptc |
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| 00:58.51 | nsadmin | a cool helper tool for some of these mounts is where you can mount one dir on another, this is called a bind mount |
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| 00:59.31 | nsadmin | and you would do it like: mount -o bind /dir/to/mount /place/to/mount/it |
| 01:00.17 | nsadmin | once everything is mounted properly, (and assuming you went with /target), you would chroot /target /bin/bash |
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| 01:07.26 | AutismVictim | yes hello |
| 01:07.34 | AutismVictim | I am afraid that my debian box is suffering autism |
| 01:07.47 | dvs | huh? |
| 01:08.08 | nvz | dvs: ignore, been k-lined twice already |
| 01:08.30 | nvz | well 3 times now in the last 10 minutes |
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| 01:08.46 | dvs | heh, sucker |
| 01:08.55 | boudiccas | what does 'k-lined' mean please? |
| 01:09.06 | nvz | boudiccas: its a kill line in the server configuration |
| 01:09.14 | dvs | boudiccas: got booted and banned |
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| 01:09.17 | boudiccas | ah, right. thanks |
| 01:09.20 | WayneJohn | Yes hello, I am afraid that my debian box is suffering from autism. It has recently been qqing to me about issues with my hard drive but after opening it it looked fine to me and now it is just giving me more errors. I believe this is caused by autism, can you help me? |
| 01:09.33 | dvs | see? |
| 01:09.57 | boudiccas | sounds like a right prat to me! |
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| 01:10.09 | WayneJohn | yes |
| 01:10.12 | WayneJohn | this is a big issue to me |
| 01:10.16 | WayneJohn | and my whole family |
| 01:10.18 | WayneJohn | please help |
| 01:10.22 | boudiccas | push off troll |
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| 01:11.02 | jpinx | I have a fresh netinstall core system with nodm and openbox installed without recommends, I added my user to /etc/default/nodm and enabled it, but now my system boots into a blank screen. Any help please? |
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| 01:20.17 | dvs | jpinx: nvidia chipset? |
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| 01:27.53 | lasers` | jpinx: What does your .xinitrc/.xsession say? |
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| 01:29.05 | lasers` | jpinx: It should have 'exec openbox-code-goes-here' as a last line. |
| 01:29.24 | lasers` | Websites say 'exec openbox-session' -- I'm guessing that's it. |
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| 01:29.59 | Pnoexz | hello, i want to install debian stable on an old pc, meaning i need it to be as minimalistic as possible. I havent installed debian in quite a while. Which image should i get? Or is there an option in the installer? |
| 01:30.20 | Pnoexz | by installer, i mean the cd1 one |
| 01:30.29 | freebird | you guys, I've a netbook, hp mini 210-1000, debian sqweezy with xfce4, what should I install to use my wireless ? |
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| 01:30.36 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 01:30.36 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 01:31.11 | somiaj | Pnoexz: will this computer have a internet connenction? netinstall is the minimial option, it will install a very minimal/base system and then you can install only the packages you want from the internet with apt |
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| 01:31.59 | Pnoexz | somiaj, jordanm (assuming that was for me): yes, but i havent had good luck in the past (lenny) with netinstalls |
| 01:32.10 | somiaj | why not? |
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| 01:32.42 | Pnoexz | dont actually remember, it was a few years ago, but ill give it a try |
| 01:32.44 | somiaj | The cd does contain a minimal base system, so you do not need the internet to get a working debian on your machine. You just need it to install additional software |
| 01:32.47 | jpinx | dvs in a vm |
| 01:33.03 | freebird | madwifi ? please ? |
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| 01:34.11 | jpinx | 03:27 < lasers`> jpinx: What does your .xinitrc/.xsession say? |
| 01:34.11 | jpinx | 03:28 -!- adam8157_away is now known as adam8157 |
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| 01:34.30 | Pnoexz | somiaj: something to do with the network connection (i think DCHP) and the repositories, not really sure |
| 01:34.39 | somiaj | Pnoexz: do you know if you want to use gnome/xfce/lxde type desktop or do you want complete control of what packages you install? |
| 01:34.55 | Pnoexz | somiaj: oh, forgot that part.. will be headless |
| 01:35.02 | Pnoexz | so no |
| 01:35.22 | somiaj | Pnoexz: depending on your network card the installer may not auto configure it. In that case skip the network part, install the base system. Once you get the running base system you may need to copy over a few files to configure the network |
| 01:35.30 | lasers` | freebird: try network-manager? if you need GUI, try network-manager-gnome (or any other choices, there are no network-manager-xfce |
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| 01:37.01 | Pnoexz | somiaj: well, thanks a lot for the help, ill give it a try |
| 01:37.25 | jpinx | lasers`: how to get openbox to give me a shell? the menu offers one, but nothing comes up |
| 01:37.35 | Theoden | Does anyone know if there is a way to overide Gnome-Shell's default behavior of opening applications maximized? |
| 01:38.24 | lasers` | jpinx: Terminal? Well, do you have your favorite terminal installed? :) |
| 01:38.29 | nsadmin | what is a gnome shell anyway |
| 01:39.03 | jpinx | doesn't have a favorite terminal - installed or otherwise ;) |
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| 01:39.53 | nsadmin | is it actually a command line shell, or what? |
| 01:40.01 | lasers` | jpinx: Go in TTY1-6. "sudo apt-get install rxvt-unicode" |
| 01:40.02 | jpinx | lasers`: ok - how to reboot and stop it going into openbox? |
| 01:40.20 | nsadmin | remove openbox? |
| 01:40.25 | jpinx | rxvt is white background ? |
| 01:40.32 | lasers` | jpinx: Disable it in /etc/default/nodm |
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| 01:40.42 | lasers` | jpinx: Default rxvt, yes. |
| 01:41.04 | lasers` | jpinx: I know you want it to be minimal, soo. |
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| 01:41.24 | jpinx | lasers`: oki doki ;) |
| 01:42.12 | lasers` | jpinx: http://www.saltycrane.com/blog/2009/11/how-make-urxvt-look-gnome-terminal/ |
| 01:42.16 | LtL | nsadmin: it's gnome's shell, 'gnome-terminal' and yes it's a cli term. |
| 01:43.00 | LtL | nsadmin: or were you just kidding :) |
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| 01:43.42 | freebird | lasers`, I installed, but nothing changes, and I can't run de app |
| 01:43.48 | freebird | lasers`, what do I do now ? |
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| 01:46.43 | jpinx | lasers`: where am I looking for .xinitrc/.xsession ? |
| 01:47.07 | jpinx | has basic rxvt now |
| 01:47.12 | lasers` | freebird: What did you do? network-manager is a daemon. if you want gui, install network-manager-gnome (because xfce does not provide one, there also are other tools like wifi-radar) |
| 01:47.22 | deego | On one of my machines, I never see the console when booting up. I simply see the final kdm screen. What can I do to see the boot messages? |
| 01:48.34 | dvs | deego: dmesg |
| 01:48.36 | lasers` | jpinx: If you want openbox to run when you boot up, ensure that nodm is enabled. and you have 'exec openbox-session' as the last line in .xinitrc |
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| 01:50.17 | jpinx | lasers`: where am I looking for .xinitrc ? it's not in my home dir |
| 01:50.46 | deego | dvs: thanks. |
| 01:50.51 | dvs | np |
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| 01:51.34 | lasers` | jpinx: Oh. You have to create one. http://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc -- Google "wiki ubuntu xinitrc" or "wiki archlinux xinitrc" for better examples. |
| 01:51.58 | lasers` | Better descriptions too. |
| 01:53.07 | jpinx | lasers`: got it - thanks :) |
| 01:53.27 | lasers` | jpinx: :) |
| 01:54.15 | nsadmin | deego, is there a console you can get to after completing boot by hitting ctrl-alt-F1? (ctrl-alt-F7 to come back) |
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| 02:06.17 | dvs | oh noes! |
| 02:06.27 | P5King | oh yes >:-) |
| 02:07.04 | dvs | OH YEAH!!!! |
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| 02:12.26 | freebird | lasers`, I've installed the gnome package, how do I start the same now ? |
| 02:13.28 | somiaj | freebird: startx (though depending on your .xinitrc may not start gnome). Since you have gdm, you could also do /etc/inti.d/gdm start which will give you a login screen to gnome |
| 02:13.31 | lasers` | freebird: "dpkg -L network-manager-gnome" should tell you all files in that package. You're looking for "nm-applet" -- Run that in the background. |
| 02:14.00 | somiaj | oh for nm, I think you need to right click on the gnome pannel and add the applet to it |
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| 02:14.59 | lasers` | somiaj: I don't think that's an applet? Just something that shows up in notificatin area applet. Also, he's running xfce4, not gnome. |
| 02:15.26 | somiaj | ahh I thoguht it was an applet, (: |
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| 02:15.53 | somiaj | ahh its a 'systray applet' according to apt-cache show |
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| 02:17.29 | freebird | lasers`, get it, but wont list the local wireless lans available |
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| 02:17.53 | somiaj | freebird: is wlan0 (or whatever your wireless card is) listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:18.18 | freebird | somiaj, no, I mean the lan from my router |
| 02:18.53 | somiaj | ahh, is your router set up to broadcast? |
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| 02:19.12 | somiaj | freebird: if your wireless card is wlan0, what does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' return? |
| 02:19.14 | freebird | somiaj, not sure, but I can connect form other pecs |
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| 02:20.10 | freebird | somiaj, interface doesn't support scanning: network is down |
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| 02:20.27 | somiaj | freebird: 'ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan' |
| 02:21.15 | freebird | somiaj, siocsifflags file not found |
| 02:21.42 | somiaj | did you run that with sudo or as root? |
| 02:21.47 | freebird | root |
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| 02:22.30 | somiaj | what is the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'iwconfig' -- you can put it at a pastebin |
| 02:23.00 | freebird | somiaj, returns l0, eth0 , pan0 wlan0 |
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| 02:23.33 | freebird | somiaj, only eth0 has an ip, perhaps I've to disconnect eth0 ? |
| 02:24.13 | somiaj | and the output of iwconfig |
| 02:24.29 | somiaj | it could be you have a software (or hardware) kill switch on the wireless card turning it off |
| 02:25.06 | freebird | somiaj, wlan0 shows good result |
| 02:25.24 | somiaj | also check dmesg, have you correctly installed the firmware (you shouldn't get an error when you type 'ifconfig wlan0 up' |
| 02:25.28 | freebird | somiaj, the netbook wireless led is orange, |
| 02:25.32 | freebird | can't change somiaj |
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| 02:25.47 | somiaj | some google hits suggest either a kill switch or bad firmware |
| 02:26.20 | freebird | siocsifflags file not found somiaj |
| 02:26.58 | somiaj | freebird: what wireless card, "dmesg | grep firmware" do you see any errors about firmware not being loaded? |
| 02:26.58 | freebird | somiaj, shouldn't at least be listing the wireless near to here ? |
| 02:27.05 | freebird | how do I see that ? which app does that ? |
| 02:27.32 | somiaj | there is a package called 'rfkill' that can turn on and off software kill switches. Hardware kill switches are a switch on the laptop somewhere |
| 02:27.33 | freebird | somiaj, dmesg | grep wlan0 |
| 02:27.35 | freebird | show nothing |
| 02:27.52 | somiaj | what wireless card? |
| 02:27.57 | somiaj | (well more ever chipset) |
| 02:28.39 | freebird | should I seek for what ? |
| 02:29.05 | jagginess | seek the truth |
| 02:29.14 | roboman2444 | speaking of kill switches... how do i make mine do something? |
| 02:29.23 | somiaj | roboman2444: man rfkill |
| 02:29.33 | roboman2444 | right... |
| 02:30.00 | jagginess | now... |
| 02:30.10 | jagginess | never heard of rfkill.. |
| 02:30.35 | jagginess | sounds like a lame command... whats' wrong with kill? |
| 02:31.10 | somiaj | jagginess: kill is already a command |
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| 02:31.49 | somiaj | freebird: My best guess is you don't have the firmware correctly installed for your wireless card. If it is a pci device (or built into your laptop) it should show up in 'lspci' if it is a usb device use 'lsusb' |
| 02:31.55 | freebird | somiaj, which app will show me a list of network available ? |
| 02:32.08 | somiaj | freebird: iwlist wlan0 scan will tell wlan0 to scan for networks |
| 02:32.09 | jagginess | wifi |
| 02:32.12 | jagginess | ? iwlist.. |
| 02:32.29 | somiaj | freebird: but your problem is 'ifconfig wlan0 up' fails, this is most likey do to missing firmware |
| 02:32.40 | dvs | agrees |
| 02:32.41 | freebird | jagginess, no, the available lans, that I could possibly connect |
| 02:32.41 | jagginess | you mean, "due to" |
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| 02:33.09 | somiaj | jagginess: yes I do, I am bad at english...problem is I don't speak any other language cept gibberish |
| 02:33.14 | jagginess | freebird, you mean your wired lan? why that should be easier..use dhcp no? |
| 02:33.42 | somiaj | jagginess: no he is trying to scan for wireless networks but doesn't have his wireless card drivers installed correctly |
| 02:33.48 | freebird | jagginess, yes, available wirelesses arround here |
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| 02:34.20 | jagginess | freebird, apt-cache search firmware |
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| 02:35.19 | somiaj | be best to figure out what wireless card he is using and point him to the debian wiki |
| 02:35.34 | somiaj | I think it may be broadcom, and that one is a pain to use (need the internet to get the correct firmware) |
| 02:36.14 | jagginess | freebird, you need to know the mac-address at the very least.. that can tell us what brand it is (iwconfig -a, would show) |
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| 03:27.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering if the packages from http://security.debian.org/ are included on the official CD/DVD/BD ISO files or are they kept off for a reason? |
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| 03:34.53 | aussa | hi, when using an external mouse, I can't move it while pressing a key... is there a file to fix/ configure that? |
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| 03:40.02 | somiaj | sounds like a bad mouse, I have never noticed such problems. |
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| 03:47.28 | lasers` | Okay. I'm trying to set up multi-monitors. I can't get one card to work. Any suggestions? It shows up in lspci (but not xrandr). |
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| 04:01.17 | lasers` | jpinx: I found another link if you're interested, http://blog.ezyang.com/2010/01/rxvt-unicode-for-gnome-terminal-refugees/ |
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| 04:01.48 | positr0n | hey dudes i have an old lenny box .. how can i use apt to install something |
| 04:01.54 | positr0n | i edited sources |
| 04:01.59 | positr0n | but its giving me grief still |
| 04:02.05 | positr0n | apt sources i mean |
| 04:02.29 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell positr0n lenny->squeeze |
| 04:02.40 | positr0n | no thanks |
| 04:02.53 | positr0n | i dont use this box much |
| 04:02.57 | positr0n | and dont wanna mess with it :) |
| 04:03.09 | ectospasm | lenny is no longer on the mirrors /-; |
| 04:03.10 | positr0n | my other boxes run a later release tho ! |
| 04:03.14 | positr0n | yaaaaah |
| 04:03.18 | positr0n | whats the work around ???? |
| 04:03.19 | positr0n | ;) |
| 04:03.28 | ectospasm | good question |
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| 04:08.57 | Na_Klar | Because the connection broke, I now got two logged in root users. How can I log the one root out without have to be afraid the important services go offline and I'll have to restart the server by a KVM |
| 04:09.19 | positr0n | SOLVED ! |
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| 04:09.27 | positr0n | copied binary from another box |
| 04:09.45 | positr0n | all the libs and shit were installed already because i installed phpcurl before |
| 04:09.47 | positr0n | WIN ! |
| 04:10.58 | jpinx | lasers`: looks like that is all for URxvt - it's not working for me in plain old rxvt - I might have to change ;) |
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| 04:15.46 | Na_Klar | Is "pkill -9 -t /dev/pts/0" a good idea? (while pts/0 is the broken root login connection) |
| 04:16.41 | phenom | woot: everything working out of the box on a fresh debian install? I'll have to play the numbers today! |
| 04:17.47 | lasers` | jpinx: rxvt-unicode? use that. also, lot of lines contains "URxvt" which mean rxvt-unicode. Change that to "rxvt" for plain old rxvt.... "aterm" for aterm termial. |
| 04:17.50 | lasers` | terminal. |
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| 04:20.28 | Diopter | Na_Klar: If you've made sure nothing else is on pts/0, you're golden. Or you can just kill the parent of that tree of processes |
| 04:20.36 | Diopter | Na_Klar: The children will all likely bomb |
| 04:20.48 | jpinx | lasers`: tried to us Rxvt istead of URxvt and it has not effect. Installed rxvt-unicode (much bigger) and I can do colours, etc just fine |
| 04:21.36 | Diopter | urxvt = win |
| 04:21.42 | Diopter | Particularly rxvt-unicode-256color ;) |
| 04:21.54 | lasers` | jpinx: "Rxvt" != "rxvt" -- but yeah, go ahead and use unicode. |
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| 04:23.51 | jpinx | lasers`: tried upper and lowercase too - no good :( |
| 04:24.25 | jpinx | lasers`: looks like rxvt is superceded now,,, |
| 04:24.36 | Na_Klar | Diopter, what else could be on pts/0 than the ssh session? And btw, wouldn't it be enougth to kill the ssh session? E.g. by using htop and killing "sshd: root@pts/0"? Or will that kill the sshd completely (which would be bad) |
| 04:26.34 | nsadmin | you wouldn't kill the sshd |
| 04:26.43 | Diopter | Na_Klar: "pgrep -flt pts/0" and find out for yourself |
| 04:26.58 | nsadmin | the reverse is true as well: stopping sshd does not tear down the connections |
| 04:27.03 | Diopter | ^ |
| 04:27.11 | Na_Klar | hm |
| 04:28.32 | Na_Klar | ah, I see. There is just -bash and a nano running on pts/0 .. so I could kill the tty ... Is the right syntax "-t /dev/pts/0" like tty puts out or just "-t pts/0" for pkill? |
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| 04:30.06 | Diopter | Na_Klar: man pkill, /-t :) |
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| 04:30.15 | Diopter | The second sentence tells you |
| 04:30.16 | Lancien | !hi |
| 04:30.17 | dpkg | hello, lancien |
| 04:30.53 | Na_Klar | Diopter, there is the answer indeed |
| 04:33.12 | Na_Klar | okay, I killed pts/0. "users" now shows just one logged root. But htop still has "sshd: root@pts/0". Do I have to take care of that? |
| 04:35.15 | Diopter | Na_Klar: Maybe, maybe not. What's the status of it? |
| 04:35.18 | Diopter | In htop |
| 04:36.21 | Na_Klar | Diopter, hm, I cannot see a >status< columb in the table |
| 04:36.36 | Na_Klar | ah |
| 04:36.42 | Na_Klar | "S" I think |
| 04:36.49 | Na_Klar | sleeping i guess |
| 04:36.52 | Diopter | Right. Sorry, wasn't clear, assumed you knew |
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| 04:38.00 | boudiccas | does anyone know how to turn off the alternating bands of grey/white/grey/white in programs like konqueror, transmission please? |
| 04:38.34 | Diopter | Na_Klar: An S status means sleeping, yes. I was looking for Z(ombie). Looks like you probably just need to kill the extra sshd |
| 04:40.04 | Na_Klar | Diopter, okay. I am just paranoid about killing sshd ^^ but as mentioned before, it will not kill sshd if I kill sshd: root@pts/0 .. so I go ahead with that. Btw: Do I need a KILL signal for that? Wouldn't be TERM be enought? |
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| 04:41.11 | Diopter | Na_Klar: You can probably term it. |
| 04:41.17 | boudiccas | does anyone know how to turn off the alternating bands of grey/white/grey/white in programs like konqueror, transmission please? This is the background that i'm talking about and in gnome on squeeze |
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| 04:42.32 | Diopter | boudiccas: Pretty sure it's just a choice the developer makes when adding a list control in GTK/Qt. Doubt it's controlled by some sort of global config or whatnot |
| 04:44.00 | boudiccas | Diopter: bums! its getting hard for me to read the text on the grey areas, but easy on the white areas so i was hoping to just make it all white background. i wondered if it was some theme or something |
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| 04:44.16 | Na_Klar | Diopter, nsadmin, thanks for the help. Everything walked out fine. My last try to get rid of double root ended in a call the computer-center's staff with the order to reboot my machine manually, cause it wasn't reachable anymore since all services where down :P |
| 04:44.38 | Na_Klar | *were |
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| 04:48.05 | azonenberg | Hi guys, having an interesting issue |
| 04:48.21 | azonenberg | trying to upgrade an ancient etch vm to squeeze |
| 04:48.25 | azonenberg | i need to move a few packages through lenny |
| 04:48.30 | azonenberg | but i cant find lenny packages anywhere |
| 04:48.40 | azonenberg | they seem to no longer be on the main mirrors but not yet on the archive |
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| 04:58.19 | BoredOnIRC | sup |
| 04:58.48 | BoredOnIRC | can someone tell me if i can install debian between two ntfs partitions on the same disk |
| 04:58.50 | cedr | Oh you know, stuff and such. |
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| 04:59.18 | BoredOnIRC | debian has the greediest installer I've ever seen, it just wants to take over your whole disk and erase everything else if you don't reign it in |
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| 05:00.14 | cedr | well |
| 05:00.16 | Diopter | BoredOnIRC: "wants"? ... did you not see "manual" there? Also you get to say 'no' like 3 times before you actually get to zomg-it-ate-my-disk |
| 05:00.22 | cedr | there's 'easy mode' and 'advanced' |
| 05:00.26 | BoredOnIRC | Yeah I saw it, the hard way |
| 05:00.31 | BoredOnIRC | after it trashed my exisitng windows partition |
| 05:00.35 | BoredOnIRC | and I had to reinstall everything |
| 05:00.49 | cedr | read the prompts! |
| 05:00.52 | cedr | :p |
| 05:00.54 | BoredOnIRC | if you go guided install by default it wants the whole disk.. not even windows is that greedy |
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| 05:01.06 | pawz | what's the correct way to disable wpa_supplicant from running ? it was suggested it would be in /etc/default but i cannot find anything to do with it in there |
| 05:01.13 | cedr | which is why you don't bash enter and yes at every prompt? |
| 05:01.19 | BoredOnIRC | I didnt |
| 05:01.29 | BoredOnIRC | I thought I was just creating 2 new partitions and writing it to the hard disk |
| 05:02.09 | BoredOnIRC | which is why this time Im asking, can I install it between two NTFS partitions? The gparted didnt let me create partitions in between partitions the last time I ran it |
| 05:02.31 | Diopter | pawz: From running? It doesn't just run, it's not a daemon in the traditional sense. Something starts it, which can be /etc/network/interfaces, for instance, or some other network management system. |
| 05:02.40 | BoredOnIRC | I have one ntfs partition at the begining of the disk, 2 extfs partitions I created (for the install, hopefully), and an NTFS partition after that |
| 05:02.46 | Diopter | pawz: What do you believe is causing wpa_supplicant to run? |
| 05:03.04 | Diopter | BoredOnIRC: Yes, you can install Linux on a partition that's not the first one on the disk. |
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| 05:03.42 | pawz | well if i knew that i could disable it. i don't have an entry for that interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:04.01 | Diopter | pawz: Why do you want it disabled? |
| 05:04.17 | pawz | because it's an old computer, i'm not using wifi, and it takes up a lot of cpu (around 13%) |
| 05:05.24 | Diopter | o.O sounds strange and wrong. But ok. |
| 05:05.40 | Diopter | I was going to suggest uninstalling the package, but apparently all the network managers depend on it |
| 05:05.55 | Diopter | Are you using NetworkManager, or wicd? |
| 05:06.00 | pawz | wrong ? what's "wrong" about it ? it's simple. i don't need it, and it takes up lots of cpu. i have temporarily renamed the binary, but i would rather know how to stop it running at all |
| 05:06.03 | pawz | networkmanager |
| 05:06.23 | pawz | while i do have a wireless interface, i don't intend to use it |
| 05:06.24 | Diopter | pawz: It taking up lots of CPU when you don't have a wireless card at all is what sounds wrong. I.e., shouldn't behave that way. |
| 05:06.42 | pawz | nah i have one. but i'm not using it, nor do i need to |
| 05:06.45 | Diopter | Aha. Well. Is it disabled or whatnot in NM? |
| 05:07.20 | Diopter | I don't use NM, so I'm hazy on it. I recall being able to disable wireless networking in it, though |
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| 05:07.56 | pawz | hmm for some reason it doesn't appear in networkmanager, and in the tasktray icon, the "enable wireless" option is greyed out (though ticked) |
| 05:08.18 | pawz | i dont know much about networkmanager either. i just figured i could do it by editing the conf files. but since /etc/network/interfaces isn't starting that interface i'm not sure what is |
| 05:08.19 | Diopter | Exciting |
| 05:08.42 | Diopter | Welp, you could prevent the module for the card from loading. |
| 05:08.52 | Diopter | Kind of a "nuke from orbit" approach, but hey |
| 05:08.58 | pawz | hmm. i hadn't thought of that. that's good enough |
| 05:09.10 | pawz | better than my current method of just renaming the binary |
| 05:09.34 | Diopter | pawz: lspci -k | grep -iA2 net |
| 05:09.39 | Diopter | Should get you the module in question |
| 05:09.41 | pawz | i wonder if i were to configure the interface manually if wpa_supplicant would cease to run |
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| 05:09.55 | Diopter | Only if you configured it as a WEP connection. In theory. |
| 05:10.12 | Diopter | But that'd be assuming NM detects it, recognizes it's not WPA, kills wpa_supplicant.. etc |
| 05:10.18 | pawz | nah that only shows my ethernet interface, not my wifi one sadly |
| 05:10.29 | Diopter | My guess is NM is like "wireless? lolsupplicant" |
| 05:10.41 | Diopter | Hrm! Intriguing. Maybe it's not a PCI device? |
| 05:10.59 | Diopter | lsusb perhaps |
| 05:11.14 | pawz | hehe it's an imac. i have no idea what sort of bizarre interface they would describe it as |
| 05:11.28 | Diopter | Fun fun. Know which specific model/year? |
| 05:11.34 | cedr | "Airport" |
| 05:11.43 | pawz | yeah it's a g4 ppc with an 802.11b card |
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| 05:12.08 | Diopter | pawz: Could grep lspci for "Airport", as cedr suggested. |
| 05:12.12 | Diopter | or lsusb |
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| 05:12.30 | pawz | nah it's not on either bus |
| 05:12.50 | pawz | the other cards are. but airport is a bit of a weird thing on imacs. it's not a pci device apparently |
| 05:13.14 | Diopter | That's quite strange. |
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| 05:14.06 | pawz | nevermind. it's not that big a deal because i've disabled it by renaming the binary, it's just that i wanted to document a good setup for debian on ppc imac's and i'd rather document a proper way |
| 05:14.14 | Diopter | pawz: Sure |
| 05:14.50 | pawz | after compiling firefox last night and getting gnash and mplayer working it's a very functional system but sadly i cannot get the nouveau driver to work properly, so i'm stuck with fbdev for the moment which is pretty slow |
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| 05:15.30 | Diopter | pawz: Can you lsmod | grep b43, see if it's loaded? I'm reading that G4 iMac's used Broadcom chips in their Airport cards |
| 05:16.14 | pawz | nope. it's not... i think the 11g cards were broadcom. i think this one is atheros |
| 05:16.25 | pawz | lemme check dmesg |
| 05:16.47 | Diopter | Orinoco then, perhaps |
| 05:18.05 | pawz | yep orinoco |
| 05:18.11 | pawz | i might just blacklist that module |
| 05:18.16 | Diopter | Not a bad plan |
| 05:18.22 | pawz | cool. that'll do. thanks |
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| 06:17.21 | mpthompson | I have a cluster of Debian systems where I wish one server to receive email from the other servers. What exim4 configuration should I be looking at for the central server that receives the emails and the other servers that send emails? |
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| 06:18.26 | izepstan | hei, short question, can i do multiple "bind-adress" in mysql my.cnf, if i'd like to connect with sql client from another ip? |
| 06:18.29 | nsadmin | please for squeeze! |
| 06:18.45 | nsadmin | I love it :) |
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| 06:19.54 | boudiccas | nsadmin: wasnt sure if it was different for differetn versions of debian, hence my way of phrasing it. got to be polite at all times :) |
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| 06:21.21 | nsadmin | ahhh.... true? |
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| 06:40.15 | hanibana | I'm executing an X program on a remote server via SSH X forwarding from my local machine. That's ok. But, this same scenario does NOT work when I connect to the server from a virtual linux server within VMware Workstation. The command just exits with no output/window. For X forwarding to work, is not it sufficient to install a desktop environment like Gnome or XFCE on clinet? |
| 06:40.52 | hanibana | * from a virtual linux client |
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| 06:49.19 | alkisg | Hi, using testing/gnome, I go to gnome-control-center, enable automatic login for my user account, and nothing happens, /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf isn't changed at all. No warnings/errors on stderr either. |
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| 06:52.39 | ronny | izepstan: iptables port forwarding? |
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| 06:55.41 | boudiccas | last request before it goes to the mailing list .......... is anyone a theme guru please for squeeze? i'm looking for a theme where the background in konqueror and tranmission is all white instead of its current grey/white/grey/white/etc which is difficult for me to read in the grey bars. does anyone know what i'm talking about please? |
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| 06:57.21 | hobarrera | Hi! I can't get my mouse to work, either on debian-testing or debian-sid, nor on Xorg or gpm. The hardware itself is detected (by dmesg and lsusb), but the mouse just don't work :( This has been going on for a week (since I originally tried installing debian). |
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| 06:59.44 | boudiccas | hobarrera: does your mouse work on squeeze [stable] ? |
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| 07:00.04 | hobarrera | boudiccas: It did on a fresh install of stable, yes. |
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| 07:00.42 | boudiccas | hobarrera: in which case i assume that the drivers for your mouse aren't yet available in wheezy or sid then |
| 07:01.09 | hobarrera | boudiccas: I'm not aware of it requiring any special drivers... how can I know which drivers those are? |
| 07:01.23 | boudiccas | hobarrera: no diea |
| 07:01.34 | hobarrera | boudiccas: The mouse *is* getting detected my dmesg and lsusb though, it just won't respond. |
| 07:01.36 | boudiccas | hobarrera: no idea |
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| 07:02.01 | izepstan | ronny: is it also possible to do this dns name depended? if i had backup.url1.com and backup.url2.com and this both go to the same ip, a debian sys (xen host) and now the first url will be routed to client1 the oder to client2? |
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| 07:02.22 | hobarrera | It's a bit odd, since the issue has been ocurring over a week on both testing and sid. Is it normal for these drivers to be missing from those versions so long? |
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| 07:03.08 | boudiccas | hobarrera: you're working in unstable territory, things get broken and get fixed pretty quickly, but it /is/ unstable |
| 07:03.27 | karlpinc | hobarrera: Did you check the <bts>? |
| 07:03.29 | hobarrera | boudiccas: Yup, I know :P |
| 07:03.37 | hobarrera | boudiccas: Thanks though, I'll see what I can read related to mouse drivers, it may be a lead - definitely better than nothing :P |
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| 07:03.56 | boudiccas | hobarrera: yw |
| 07:04.31 | hobarrera | karlpinc: I tried the forums and googleing a pretty long while, I neglected BTS though, I'll check it right now |
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| 07:04.39 | hobarrera | *googled |
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| 07:07.09 | hobarrera | karlpinc: Nope, nothing these either:( |
| 07:07.40 | karlpinc | hobarrera: Then it won't get fixed until somebody files a bug, unless somebody happens to know about it. |
| 07:08.36 | karlpinc | hobarrera: This is the thing about testing, it's a <moving target>, and sid is worse. (And don't even think about mixing releases.) |
| 07:09.26 | karlpinc | hobarrera: Is there a reason you're running testing? |
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| 07:09.33 | hobarrera | karlpinc: Ok... I guess I'll have to report it in that case. I just wanted to make sure I'd exhausted all resources before doing that (just to make sure it wasn't ME screwing up :P) |
| 07:09.53 | karlpinc | hobarrera: There's also #debian-next on irc.debian.org for testing support. |
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| 07:10.31 | hobarrera | karlpinc: I prefer to have software more up-to-date than stable offers, and generally like to live a bit on the bleeding edge - I do generally manage to fix thing myself, but this has gotten beyond me :/ |
| 07:10.52 | hobarrera | karlpinc: Right; I'll give that a try. :) |
| 07:11.18 | hobarrera | karlpinc: I had tried #debian and #debian-next on irc.debian.org, with little luck :P |
| 07:11.25 | hobarrera | karlpinc: Thanks for your help! :) |
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| 07:11.42 | karlpinc | hobarrera: FYI, see also the <overview> factoid. |
| 07:12.03 | marone | hello guys, by running apt-get autoremove in squeeze i have kind of destroyed the default theme - is there a way to restore it? |
| 07:12.09 | karlpinc | hobarrera: Sounds like testing could be a good choice for you. |
| 07:12.39 | hobarrera | karlpinc: #debian-next seems to be invite-only :/ |
| 07:12.50 | karlpinc | hobarrera: On irc.debian.org? |
| 07:12.56 | boudiccas | hobarrera: not on oftc.net |
| 07:13.10 | karlpinc | hobarrera: (They're the same.) |
| 07:13.11 | hobarrera | Nope, here (I've already tried #debian-next@irc.debian.org) |
| 07:13.30 | karlpinc | hobarrera: No such channel here, AFAIK. |
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| 07:13.57 | hobarrera | karlpinc: No luck on irc.debian.org either ... I'll have to report this in the bts |
| 07:14.34 | hobarrera | Thanks for your time :) |
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| 07:15.56 | krion | hii |
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| 07:16.11 | ronny | izepstan: then you need a load ballancer, not port forwarding |
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| 07:23.13 | nsadmin | hobarrera, probably you would -first- connect to irc.oftc.net and -then- join the channel there |
| 07:24.38 | hobarrera | nsadmin: Yes, I did that, I did manage to join the channel there. By "no luck" I meant "no luck getting more details for this issue". :) |
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| 07:29.30 | DanTheBeastMan | working on a Wheezy debootstrap setup, having issues with locales, dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't working, any ideas? it seems to get fixed when I export LANG=en-US and a few other variables but i was looking for a better workaround |
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| 07:30.55 | nsadmin | what are the default values for those variables? |
| 07:31.04 | nsadmin | is there a default locale? |
| 07:31.49 | DanTheBeastMan | I wouldn't think so.. it's using en-gb right now, but I think that's an env var from my chrooy |
| 07:31.51 | DanTheBeastMan | *chroot |
| 07:32.18 | nsadmin | try echoing it |
| 07:32.54 | sephii_ | DanTheBeastMan: what do you mean by "dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't working"? do you get an error or something? |
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| 07:33.03 | DanTheBeastMan | echo $LANG returns en_GB.UTF-8 |
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| 07:34.11 | DanTheBeastMan | all of $LC_* are undefined |
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| 07:34.46 | nsadmin | is that the one you want? |
| 07:34.47 | DanTheBeastMan | likke I said I can `export` and it fixes it, but that's more of a hack than a fix |
| 07:35.00 | DanTheBeastMan | i want en_US |
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| 07:36.19 | nsadmin | when you run this wheezy, how do you start it? |
| 07:36.31 | DanTheBeastMan | Right now I'm chrooted from a live cd |
| 07:37.01 | nsadmin | so you ran chroot /some/dir bash? |
| 07:37.08 | DanTheBeastMan | yes |
| 07:37.24 | DanTheBeastMan | after mounting proc dev etc |
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| 07:37.50 | nsadmin | so right now, would you say that's going to be your preference for how you start it? |
| 07:38.15 | DanTheBeastMan | No, I'm just chrooted for the install |
| 07:38.36 | nsadmin | so presently that's a hack too... |
| 07:39.01 | DanTheBeastMan | wifi drivers work for this laptop on the crunchbang live cd so I'm using that to debootstrap wheezy.. |
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| 07:40.15 | nsadmin | one sec, so I'm -not- saying that it's good or bad... and I am saying that it's a hack, and one that actually involves the env created by running the chroot shell |
| 07:41.11 | DanTheBeastMan | agreed |
| 07:41.15 | nsadmin | on one level or another, everything's a hack |
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| 07:41.28 | nsadmin | perhaps one is purtyer than another |
| 07:41.45 | nsadmin | so... it's ok to change the value of the variable :) |
| 07:42.21 | DanTheBeastMan | yes |
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| 07:43.08 | DanTheBeastMan | I just keep getting the locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 07:43.29 | nsadmin | hmm. locales not installed on the chroot? |
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| 07:43.53 | DanTheBeastMan | gives me it 3 times every so often for LC_CTYPE LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL |
| 07:43.59 | DanTheBeastMan | locales is installed |
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| 07:46.53 | nsadmin | earlier you said that your wireless is supported by that other kernel |
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| 07:47.28 | nsadmin | is wireless the only way that machine can connect? |
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| 07:48.08 | DanTheBeastMan | I could pick it up and hardwire to the router, but that's in the closet and would be uncomfortable to work by lol |
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| 07:49.21 | anton01 | where do you download a debian testing amd64 iso from a debian mirror such as this one? http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ |
| 07:49.30 | nsadmin | what I was thinking was, if you could do that temporarily maybe we can get the wireless up on the wheezy kernel.... (not sure how important that is to you... might not be worth the discomfort) |
| 07:49.55 | nsadmin | anton01, do you have a debian stable already that you want to replace? |
| 07:50.13 | anton01 | nsadmin: dont have anything |
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| 07:50.26 | DanTheBeastMan | well the firmware-b43-installer package works for this laptop, so that's not really an issue for me |
| 07:50.43 | anton01 | debian testing is what most people use right? isnt stable like 2 years behind current software |
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| 07:51.06 | nsadmin | anton01, is newer software that important? |
| 07:51.18 | nsadmin | compare: well-tested, newer |
| 07:51.24 | nsadmin | which., and why?\ |
| 07:51.51 | anton01 | newer because it has more features and generally is quite stable |
| 07:53.22 | anton01 | where would the iso be in here http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/dists/testing/ |
| 07:53.36 | nsadmin | dunno if it's in there or not |
| 07:53.52 | anton01 | another distro it is then |
| 07:54.01 | DanTheBeastMan | anton01: I'm currently doing ya debootstrap with wheezy but it is giving me some issues |
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| 07:54.30 | nsadmin | he's made his decision... good luck finding what you want |
| 07:54.34 | DanTheBeastMan | you might try installing squeeze and adding the testing repos and doing a dist-upgrade through apt |
| 07:54.35 | anton01 | wheezy = testing? |
| 07:54.40 | DanTheBeastMan | yes |
| 07:55.06 | anton01 | what does ubuntu use? stable or testing? |
| 07:55.14 | DanTheBeastMan | neither anymore |
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| 07:55.30 | nsadmin | they used to take unstable, now I think they take testing |
| 07:55.42 | DanTheBeastMan | I believe it uses packages from sid or from upstream and adds their own patches |
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| 07:56.06 | nsadmin | is that recent? |
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| 07:56.42 | nsadmin | anton01, maybe ubuntu is closer to what you want |
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| 07:57.35 | anton01 | yeah its just for a VM that i need to access some basic linux stuff through |
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| 07:57.38 | nsadmin | debian lives and breathes stability; it's the most important thing... a lot of debian servers out there |
| 07:57.58 | nsadmin | a vm? a remote? |
| 07:58.09 | leafwiz__ | Hey. I am unable to install xmonad. It fails on firmware-b43legacy-installer, which is a package I tried to install earlier. But which has nothing to do with xmonad |
| 07:58.11 | anton01 | local |
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| 07:58.27 | leafwiz__ | How do I clean up my apt-get |
| 07:58.32 | nsadmin | is this going to be for file storage? |
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| 07:59.00 | nsadmin | (surprisingly) apt-get clean AND read the apt-get man page to find out what that does. |
| 07:59.06 | DanTheBeastMan | leafwiz__: pastebin your errors |
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| 08:00.01 | leafwiz__ | http://pastebin.com/qDyjEBgn |
| 08:00.58 | DanTheBeastMan | leafwiz__: might I also recommend awesome? it's a bit lighter on dependencies as it doesn't require a haskell compiler. or any compiler, changes can be made at runtime |
| 08:01.02 | narcislinux | hi, i design this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/debian%20infographic for debian logo and toy character! can u help me make it better for wallpaper and theme with your new idea? |
| 08:01.42 | leafwiz__ | DanTheBeastMan: sure. Does it have the shortcut to manage several screens? |
| 08:01.53 | DanTheBeastMan | leafwiz__: try `sudo dpkg -P firmware-b43-legacy-installer` |
| 08:01.56 | leafwiz__ | like mod+w and mod+e |
| 08:02.17 | DanTheBeastMan | the keybindings are a bit different but I believe it has all the same features |
| 08:03.02 | leafwiz__ | DanTheBeastMan: I'll check it out. Do you know also if it can work with gnome? |
| 08:03.26 | DanTheBeastMan | it's DE agnostic as far as I'm aware |
| 08:03.52 | leafwiz__ | DanTheBeastMan: oki. dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove firmware-b43-legacy-installer which isn't installed. |
| 08:04.42 | DanTheBeastMan | does apt-get work again? |
| 08:04.48 | leafwiz__ | DanTheBeastMan: no |
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| 08:07.13 | pjc_ | morning |
| 08:07.50 | DanTheBeastMan | leafwiz__: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo dpkg --configure -a |
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| 08:10.00 | leafwiz__ | DanTheBeastMan: still a nogo: http://pastebin.com/rMiahdzY |
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| 08:12.32 | narcislinux | :/ |
| 08:12.38 | DanTheBeastMan | damn I'm out of ideas. anyone else? |
| 08:13.20 | leafwiz__ | DanTheBeastMan: Doing a windows, Reinstall :p |
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| 08:13.46 | DanTheBeastMan | suit yourself |
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| 08:27.31 | DanTheBeastMan | OH |
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| 08:27.59 | DanTheBeastMan | it would appear my locales problem was only to do with the chroot evironment |
| 08:28.10 | DanTheBeastMan | after booting into it I have no such problems |
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| 08:31.19 | karlpinc | narcislinux: I like the red wallpaper. Are you going to get sued by Disney/Pixar? |
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| 08:32.32 | narcislinux | karlpinc: it make problem? |
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| 08:33.44 | mrtnt86 | Is it possible to view optical media information using the wodim? I mean both the device information(capabilities like CD/DVD write support etc) and optical medium information. |
| 08:34.23 | karlpinc | narcislinux: I've no idea. But Disney is the reason why copyright terms are so long in the U.S.. |
| 08:34.43 | narcislinux | hm |
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| 08:36.34 | karlpinc | mrtnt86: If so, it'd be in the man page. You might also try <debtags> to search for something else to use. (I wouldn't think that that info would be in /sys/....) |
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| 08:38.06 | karlpinc | mrtnt86: (But I could be wrong.) |
| 08:38.33 | mrtnt86 | karlpinc: best I have found is "wodim dev='/dev/scd0' -inq" |
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| 08:38.49 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I would want to start processes when the system starts, like for example "/usr/bin/tightvncserver :1" It is to be run as a normal user. I know I can do this bu adding a line in /etc/rc.local in the form "su user -c command" but this still will be setup from the root user. Is there a way that users can setup their own startup processes, without the need for the root user intervention? |
| 08:39.03 | as001 | Hello I tried to install Debian Squeeze on gigabyte GA B75MD3H motherboard but installation failed on detecting CDROM drive saying "Nonstandard CDROM...". I made bootable usb stick and installation goes until detecting Hard Discs. It offered me to install on usb because it did not recognize my hard disk. What can I do ? |
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| 08:39.48 | karlpinc | Night_Elf: "man 5 crontab" There's a #boot time, or something like that. |
| 08:39.54 | streuner__ | as001: Does knoppix work? |
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| 08:40.13 | as001 | I didn't try Knopix yet. |
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| 08:40.16 | Night_Elf | karlpinc: I will check. |
| 08:40.30 | streuner__ | as001: any other LIVE-CD available? |
| 08:40.38 | karlpinc | as001: There's also kmuto, if that's a new mobo. |
| 08:40.41 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 08:40.42 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 08:40.56 | as001 | I tried Trisquel but it could not boot. What should I do with live CD ? |
| 08:41.14 | as001 | what is kmuto ? |
| 08:41.17 | streuner__ | as001: we want to make its not a kernel issue |
| 08:41.22 | streuner__ | read the factoid |
| 08:41.28 | as001 | ok thanks |
| 08:41.48 | streuner__ | as001: how old is this machine? |
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| 08:42.16 | as001 | I just bought machine and try to install Debian on it. I guess it is new motherboard. |
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| 08:42.51 | streuner__ | as001: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 08:45.02 | Night_Elf | karlpinc: Found it. By placing a line in the crontab, which is: "@reboot command" . The first 5 fields that compose the cheduled time, are replaced by the @reboot keyword. |
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| 08:47.09 | as001 | Thank you streuner I will check that when I try to install it again tonight. I will also try to install those kmuto version. See you. |
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| 08:49.07 | balakrish | im a beginner in linux.. can you provide me the good books for beginners.. i want to learn kernel programming also.. |
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| 09:05.51 | lord_rob | Hi I'm cm-7-20120420-NIGHTLY-bravo and each time I connect my desire to the power supply, the screen switches on and never becomes completely black again unless I tell the phone to lock itself with its power button. Is there an option I misconfigurated ? |
| 09:07.20 | lord_rob | Even if the screen is black before pluging the phone to the power supply |
| 09:07.49 | lord_rob | the screen is on again |
| 09:08.00 | lord_rob | oops sorry wrong chan |
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| 09:08.47 | elkng | is there some statistic numbers how many installation of every package debian has ? after installing debian from CD or DVD users start to install addition packages what packages are most popular, is there web page with public list of numbers |
| 09:08.51 | elkng | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.29 | tralala | !popcon |
| 09:09.30 | themill | !popcon |
| 09:09.30 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 09:09.37 | themill | !win tralala |
| 09:09.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 09:09.44 | tralala | wow! |
| 09:10.05 | tralala | and wasn't even trying |
| 09:11.39 | elkng | if someone tryed to build new linux distro, how they decided what packages should be included by default ? do they look content of other popular distro's DVDs ? |
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| 09:12.29 | tralala | you choose whatever serves yours and your users' needs |
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| 09:13.25 | elkng | judd says: "Popcon data for ntop: inst: 1907, vote: 858, old: 946, recent: 96, nofiles: 7" does that mean ntop was installed by 1907 users in entire world ? is that worlds statistic ? |
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| 09:18.52 | tralala | elkng, read the faq |
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| 09:20.39 | pbase | hi.. are there any players or converters available for .arf (webex recorded session) files? |
| 09:22.00 | elkng | this page http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst says: "gcc-4.7" and "perl" are most popular by installation |
| 09:22.12 | elkng | out of programming languages |
| 09:23.40 | dokma|2 | I have three partitions in a logical volume how do I mount one of them? |
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| 09:23.49 | rango | !list |
| 09:23.50 | dpkg | rango: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:29.33 | nitzs | why don't they update wine in sid? |
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| 09:32.19 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am planning to setup a mail server, should I go for exim or postfix? |
| 09:32.21 | ss23 | Hey, I'm trying to do some NFS stuff via an SSH tunnel howewver, "sudo mount -o port=3049 nfs://localhost/export/foo /mnt/foo". I'm not sure whether this is standard for NFS, but if its not, how would I enable this? I'm just following some tutorials off the internet |
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| 09:34.23 | ChrisH | ss23: mount -o port=3049 localhost:/export/foo /mnt/foo I never saw your syntax before |
| 09:34.42 | ss23 | Ah okay, thanks |
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| 09:35.42 | ChrisH | arvind_khadri: Use that MTA you understood the concept. |
| 09:36.30 | arvind_khadri | ChrisH, umm, which one is the question :) ? |
| 09:36.41 | themill | nitzs: that's work in progress -- and "they" are volunteers who haven't had a lot of time recently |
| 09:37.57 | arvind_khadri | will go with postfix |
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| 09:38.11 | ChrisH | arvind_khadri: I cannot check your understanding. A mailserver can be a small one for 10 users at home or a company wide one with 10.000 User |
| 09:38.18 | no_gravity | Hello from Germany! Is it possible to map the left ALT key so it acts like the right ALT key? What is the left ALT key for anyway? |
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| 09:39.11 | arvind_khadri | ChrisH, I get what you are saying. Thanks. Am going with postfix, |
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| 09:41.27 | Lupen | !list |
| 09:41.28 | dpkg | lupen: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:43.41 | sephii | no_gravity: usually the right alt key is Alt Gr and the left one the normal Alt |
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| 09:43.57 | sephii | no_gravity: I think you can achieve what you're trying to do with xmodmap |
| 09:44.41 | sephii | no_gravity: or if you're using some DE, there might be a configuration item somewhere |
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| 09:45.04 | no_gravity | sephii: gnome, but it seems not to have a config for that. |
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| 09:45.24 | no_gravity | sephii: i tried this but to no avail: xmodmap -e "Alt_L = Alt_R" |
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| 09:46.42 | sephii | no_gravity: try to check with xev |
| 09:47.12 | themill | no_gravity: note that any keyboard shortcuts that you have that use "Alt" will stop working if you remap it like this. |
| 09:47.47 | no_gravity | themill: therefore my question what the left alt is for anyway. i cant remember using it for anything. what do you use it for? |
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| 09:48.44 | themill | no_gravity: alt+left / alt+right are forward and back in most browsers. Alt gives you access to the menu system (Alt+F for the file menu, for example). |
| 09:49.03 | no_gravity | sephii: i think xev says left alt is keycode 64. not sure about its output. i also tried this to no avail: xmodmap -e "keycode 64 = Alt_R" |
| 09:49.29 | no_gravity | themill: i know. but do you use these? I never do. |
| 09:49.37 | themill | sure |
| 09:49.40 | sephii | no_gravity: depends on your keyboard layout i guess. on latin keymaps the "alt gr" key is used to output some other letters |
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| 09:50.05 | no_gravity | oh shit, now i remember one alt combo i use: ALT+F1 |
| 09:50.33 | no_gravity | sephii: yes, i use alt gr all the time. but thats my right alt key. |
| 09:50.55 | DanTheBeastMan | yeah so my wheezy debootstrap was successful, thanks guys! |
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| 09:51.12 | sephii | you also have alt+d to go int the browser address bar, alt+1,2,3,etc in irssi to switch tabs, and it's widely used in shells too (eg. alt-b, alt-f) |
| 09:51.50 | no_gravity | sephii: yeah, right. i use alt+1,2,3 for tabs. |
| 09:52.08 | no_gravity | im just so annoyed that i have to break my 10-finger-system to write [] brackets. |
| 09:52.08 | sephii | alt-. to call the last parameter of your last command in a shell, very useful too. i guess there are many other shortcuts i can't think of right now |
| 09:52.30 | sephii | no_gravity: use a different keyboard layout then :) |
| 09:52.56 | no_gravity | sephii: yeah... could do that... |
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| 10:07.04 | ChrisH | no_gravity: US Keyboard und gut is :) |
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| 10:20.04 | sturles | Yes, but it requires use of gdb. I did it once, but don't remember how. Probably 10 years ago now. |
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| 10:20.43 | nsadmin | once I didn't know gdb... |
| 10:20.53 | paolo | salve |
| 10:20.55 | nsadmin | so I typed gdb and got (gdb) |
| 10:21.01 | paolo | !list |
| 10:21.02 | dpkg | paolo: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 10:21.03 | nsadmin | so then I typed |
| 10:21.05 | nsadmin | help |
| 10:21.23 | nsadmin | paolo, why is it always the italians? |
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| 10:21.45 | nsadmin | there has to be a joke in here somewhere |
| 10:22.29 | paolo | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 10:22.54 | nsadmin | sturles, and it was after I typed help into (gdb) that gdb started to teach me how to use it |
| 10:23.16 | paolo | http://www.z00dyaco.altervista.org/ |
| 10:23.31 | sturles | I went trough all sshd processes onm a server and harvested some statistics. Like client version, protocol used, etc. |
| 10:23.39 | paolo | http://dentaldays.it/ |
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| 10:24.14 | sturles | nsadmin: I know, I have used gdb a lot and even have a book about it, but I am not the one who need this information. Help dokma instead. :-) |
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| 10:24.34 | nsadmin | oh :) dokma, see above |
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| 10:27.12 | sturles | It is just a matter of printing the correct variables from the running process. It was very simple once I figured out which. |
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| 10:30.04 | rook2pawn | is there a way to enlarge or zoom beneath a steel sky? i have it running in xmonad and its a bit small |
| 10:31.03 | CruX| | rook2pawn: are you using scummvm for that ? |
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| 10:33.56 | ethelwine | hello everybody |
| 10:34.01 | Xorlogosh | anyone knows about direct link devices ? i have a 7" usb display here - manufacture by lilliput and modules load all well it turns to a green screen and refuses to show up in display applett ! |
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| 10:34.30 | Xorlogosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.47 | Xorlogosh | it uses udlfb module and displays 800x480 pixel power and signal all goes by one usb |
| 10:35.11 | ethelwine | mmmmmm |
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| 10:49.46 | embrik | does anyone know clonezilla here? I can't log on a live session. No usernames work |
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| 10:52.00 | NishaKitty | can anyone tell me why bitmap fonts are disabled by default? |
| 10:52.48 | rook2pawn | CruX|: yes i am using scummvm |
| 10:53.19 | simonlnu | NishaKitty: because they don't scale and look like crap. |
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| 10:53.41 | NishaKitty | is that the only reason? |
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| 11:14.00 | izepstan | how can i add a cron job with a specific user? |
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| 11:15.22 | petemc | izepstan: you can specify the user in /etc/crontab |
| 11:15.25 | gyaresu | izepstan: You mean you're user alice and you want to add to user freds crontab? |
| 11:15.32 | izepstan | jep |
| 11:15.56 | gyaresu | izepstan: -u user |
| 11:16.05 | izepstan | ok thx |
| 11:16.07 | gyaresu | izepstan: It's in the man. |
| 11:16.27 | izepstan | yeah i know, but really tired to read that much white on black... |
| 11:16.43 | gyaresu | izepstan: mkay. |
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| 11:19.39 | CruX| | rook2pawn: afaik scummvm has scalers for that |
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| 11:34.29 | rook2pawn | CruX|: ah thanks that works |
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| 11:39.34 | dokma | I've used debootstrap to install base system to a logical volume |
| 11:39.41 | dokma | then I chrooted into it and installed a kernel |
| 11:39.50 | dokma | how do I make this LV bootable? |
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| 11:41.50 | calrogma1 | dokma: Maybe try installing a bootloader? |
| 11:42.07 | dokma | I installed grub |
| 11:42.14 | dokma | and no need for sarcasm |
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| 11:42.36 | dokma | but for some reason it doesn't boot when I try it |
| 11:42.44 | dokma | perhaps I need to do something more? |
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| 11:43.20 | calrogma1 | Yeah like also configure it. |
| 11:43.38 | dokma | it doesn't make you look smart you know? |
| 11:43.40 | calrogma1 | And there's always need for sarcasm when you leave out important details like whether or not you installed a bootloader. |
| 11:44.04 | dokma | x2 |
| 11:44.24 | calrogma1 | Wow, when did you learn to multiply? (I can do this all night). |
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| 11:45.59 | calrogma1 | I won't though, because I'm busy finding this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LVM#Configure_System |
| 11:46.37 | calrogma1 | Ignore the arch-specific bits, they probably won't be of any help, unless you consider former gentoo-ricers helpful. |
| 11:47.03 | Night_Elf | calrogma1: I would think that after the debootsrap of the new system and after the kernel installation, you would need to chroot into the new system and install the bootloader from there. |
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| 11:48.03 | calrogma1 | Of course, all that documentation assumes you were aware when you were partitioning your system you made a /boot outside of the LVs. If you didn't now would be a good time to start over. |
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| 11:49.51 | calrogma1 | Night_Elf: You could use the bootloader of the existing system. |
| 11:51.05 | Night_Elf | calrogma1: could you? What if the debootstraped release on the new system installs a different bootloader version when compared to the existing one ? |
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| 11:51.52 | calrogma1 | Night_Elf: Yeah, if you configure LV mapping in the host system you could use the bootloader of the host and not install one in the guest. |
| 11:52.00 | foldy | hello I have question, I make chroot of users, which are jailed in there own directories, I need to symlink a directory from /usr/local/ but cant get acces from chrootetd user, permissions are 777 but didn work i cannot cd to that directory |
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| 11:52.59 | calrogma1 | foldy: Are you trying to make the symlink from inside the chroot? Don't do that. |
| 11:53.35 | Night_Elf | foldy: I think chroot disallows getting out of the chrooted dir by means of symlinks, when these point out of the chroot tree onwards. |
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| 11:54.39 | calrogma1 | Night_Elf: Oh is that so? In that case, you could use a mount --rbind I suppose. |
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| 11:55.08 | Night_Elf | calrogma1: I guess that would work. |
| 11:55.11 | foldy | calrogma1, Night_Elf , yes I want to do that, it is webhosting .. need to make there web directory reachable on there chrooted jailed userdirs |
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| 11:56.14 | foldy | Night_Elf, mount the directory ? |
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| 11:56.48 | calrogma1 | foldy: Something like mount --rbind /usr/local/ /home/user/local |
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| 11:57.12 | foldy | calrogma1, ok I test it and let you know |
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| 12:00.09 | foldy | calrogma1, yes it works thanks a lot :) you save me |
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| 12:00.17 | foldy | Night_Elf, thank you too |
| 12:00.18 | calrogma1 | foldy: Alternatively, for easier automation, put something like "/usr/local/ /home/user/local/ none rbind 0 0" in /etc/fstab (That's completely untested, but it sould work). |
| 12:00.30 | Night_Elf | foldy: cheers |
| 12:00.42 | calrogma1 | And no problem, foldy. |
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| 12:00.52 | foldy | calrogma1, I make it in fstab thx. |
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| 12:01.34 | foldy | Last question, do you think that IA-64 Debian will be still developed ? or squeeze will be the last version ? |
| 12:01.59 | trepidacious | Hi, I've just set up a debian squeeze box, and I'm running a Java app that tries to access a USB-dongle serial port via rxtx. This works fine if the app is run as root, but can't find any serial ports if run as a normal user. Is there an easy way of allowing the user access to serial ports? |
| 12:02.45 | calrogma1 | foldy: No need to worry about IA-64 disappearing overnight. |
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| 12:04.18 | foldy | calrogma1, thanx I starting developing on IA-64 dont want to build my app on death arch :D |
| 12:04.23 | calrogma1 | trepidacious: `usermod $user -a -G dialout' should do it |
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| 12:06.08 | trepidacious | ah great thanks I'll try that |
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| 13:37.22 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 13:37.24 | rical | What mirror do I need to install sun-java on debian test (3.2.0-2-amd64)? I have this non-free: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 13:37.45 | rical | but apt-cache serach sun basically returns blank |
| 13:37.54 | TheWarden | In BSD I used a command called lock to lock my screen/shell session. How can one achieve this in Debian? |
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| 13:38.55 | ksk | rical: theres no sun-java in linux no more |
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| 13:39.04 | ksk | you have to use openjdk iirc |
| 13:39.16 | ksk | !tell rical about java |
| 13:39.33 | Night_Elf | How can I interpret this message? /USR/SBIN/CRON[1261]: (CRON) error (grandchild #1272 failed with exit status 2) The granchild in question is described by: /USR/SBIN/CRON[1272]: (user) CMD (/usr/bin/tightvncserver :1) |
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| 13:39.56 | babilen | rical: Why can't you use OpenJDK (it is the reference implementation for Java/JDK 7) |
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| 13:41.09 | TheWarden | one can lock your X session using CTRL-ALT-L, there must be some command one can do the same in the shell/console. |
| 13:41.12 | Posterdati | I'm running wheezy on amd64 (3.2.0-2) with nvidia, after I logoff from kde, I've got kdm screen and the xsession with corrupted color i/e black squares on screen and I have to restart X |
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| 13:47.13 | laurus | Is there a better way to switch applications with the keyboard than just Alt-Tab in Openbox? |
| 13:47.33 | dvs | laurus: screen |
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| 13:47.52 | laurus | dvs, you mean GNU screen? |
| 13:48.02 | laurus | I thought that only worked with command line applications. |
| 13:48.32 | dvs | laurus: Oh, within GNOME? |
| 13:48.57 | dvs | dunno then |
| 13:48.59 | laurus | dvs, I am using Openbox with the GNOME stuff installed, so I guess it is utilizing some of that. |
| 13:49.07 | laurus | But it is an Openbox session. |
| 13:49.27 | laurus | I just hate hitting Alt-Tab 15 times a minute |
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| 13:49.39 | laurus | I miss Emacs' C-x b :( |
| 13:49.55 | laurus | Maybe I need xmonad or something? |
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| 13:50.34 | laurus | dvs, have you tried these tiling window managers? |
| 13:50.54 | Diopter | xmonad = win |
| 13:51.04 | Diopter | I use it constantly |
| 13:51.11 | laurus | Diopter, basically I have every application maximized |
| 13:51.12 | dvs | laurus: Nope |
| 13:51.16 | laurus | Would xmonad be useful for that? |
| 13:51.30 | CruX| | use more virtual desktops then |
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| 13:51.40 | Diopter | laurus: Depends on how many applications you have at once. Sounds like you just want virtual desktops + hotkey desktop switching |
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| 13:51.43 | calrogman | TheWarden: vlock |
| 13:51.46 | Diopter | Rather than having to alt+tab cycle |
| 13:51.52 | laurus | Diopter, what is hotkey desktop switching? |
| 13:52.02 | Diopter | laurus: Switching to a particular desktop directly with a unique hotkey |
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| 13:52.10 | Diopter | Like super+1, 2, 3, 4, etc |
| 13:52.12 | Posterdati | how can I blacklist nouveau module? |
| 13:52.13 | laurus | Oh, right. |
| 13:52.17 | tvm | laurus: also consider wmii or dwm, i've been using these for years, just this way |
| 13:52.22 | laurus | (what is this "super" key?) |
| 13:52.31 | tvm | alt-[0-9] and i'm all set. |
| 13:52.43 | Diopter | laurus: Windows key, generally. |
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| 13:53.00 | laurus | Wow, ok. I'll try that. Maybe I need 10 Desktops. |
| 13:53.04 | laurus | That is a really great idea. |
| 13:53.10 | calrogman | Posterdati: `echo "nouveau" > /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-blacklist.conf' ? |
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| 13:53.37 | Diopter | laurus: If you're always maximized on every app, tiling is probably not what you want. So start with desktops |
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| 13:53.53 | calrogman | Posterdati: whoops, `echo "blacklist nouveau"' |
| 13:54.03 | laurus | Diopter, alright! Thanks. Yeah, I travel with a little laptop, the smallest real computer I can get, to quote Bjarne Stroustrup. |
| 13:54.13 | laurus | So that's why everything is always maximized. |
| 13:54.20 | Diopter | nods |
| 13:54.20 | Posterdati | calrogman: I added "blackilist nouveau" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it didn't work |
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| 13:54.27 | Posterdati | sorry |
| 13:54.37 | Posterdati | calrogman: I added "blacklist nouveau" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it didn't work |
| 13:54.45 | TheWarden | calrogman: I just found that in aptitude. Thanks, I'll give that a try. |
| 13:54.58 | calrogman | Posterdati: You should probably reboot. |
| 13:55.08 | Posterdati | done |
| 13:55.12 | Night_Elf | I run this command: aa="test" echo $aa . It returns an empty line. Shouldn't it return the word 'test' ? |
| 13:55.21 | calrogman | TheWarden: No problem, it's a shame that's not built into our console drivers. Have you had a look at Debian/kFreeBSD? |
| 13:55.29 | laurus | Does anyone know how to make shortcuts to different virtual desktops in Openbox? |
| 13:56.29 | Posterdati | calrogman: ok, works |
| 13:56.34 | calrogman | Night_Elf: Try using AA instead of aa |
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| 13:57.13 | Night_Elf | calrogman: same thing. And I find this odd, really. |
| 13:57.15 | calrogman | Night_Elf: Nevermind, that was pure speculation. |
| 13:57.40 | Diopter | laurus: I think you need to use obkey, and something like what's in http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?id=380 |
| 13:57.40 | Posterdati | calrogman: problem persist, some graphics elements are still corrupted, I have to restart X (Alt + E) |
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| 13:58.17 | calrogman | Posterdati: Set up a xorg.conf file to load nv instead of nouveau? |
| 13:58.26 | Night_Elf | calrogman: on the other hand, if I split that in two lines, the first to be just AA=test and the other one to be echo $AA , then the return is the word 'test'. But then again, this should not happen as well. Or am I wrong ? |
| 13:58.48 | Posterdati | calrogman: I used nvidia-xconfig, but now nouveau isn't loaded |
| 13:59.04 | calrogman | Night_Elf: I'm not really sure. Any reason you can't just aa=foo; echo $aa? |
| 13:59.19 | calrogman | Posterdati: Isn't that what you wanted?... |
| 13:59.30 | laurus | Diopter, thanks for that link. Actually, it is W-F1, W-F2, etc. already defined in rc.xml. As you had indicated was possible :) |
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| 14:00.59 | Diopter | laurus: Sweet |
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| 14:01.34 | Night_Elf | calrogman: that way it works. But someting else is happening: if my next command is echo $aa , then the reply again is the word 'foo'. Issuing command 'env' doesn't show there is an $aa variable, it is not in the list. And again, the next echo $aa returns 'foo'. What is happening? Can anyone else confirm this ? |
| 14:01.44 | laurus | Diopter, thanks a lot! |
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| 14:04.17 | Night_Elf | calrogman: The reason is that by standard, to what I know, a variable declared in front of the command is usable as long as that command runs, for that command only, after which it is destroied. But this way, it stays there, and it doesn't even show when I issue 'env'. I don't like this. |
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| 14:05.02 | TheWarden | calrogman: yeah you would think that would be a built in feature. Ahh no I have not, what is it? |
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| 14:06.34 | calrogman | TheWarden: Very simply, it's a Debian/Gnu userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel. I've not used it, but I suspect that means you'd be dealing with a FreeBSD console, complete with all its fancy locking stuff we Linux peasants miss out on :-) http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 14:06.55 | intore | hi, i thinked that mount a network samba share were easy but i need help. i tried using the remote ip address: sudo mount //192.168.5.219/user_data /mnt/samba and the hostname also: sudo mount //amahoro/user_data /mnt/samba. the first case asks a password and then gives me permission denied. the second one gives the error: mount error: could not resolve address for amahoro: Unknown error: mount error: could not resolve address for amahoro: Unknown error. c |
| 14:06.56 | intore | ould you help me please? |
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| 14:07.20 | calrogman | Night_Elf: Have a look at the ENVIRONMENT section of bash(1). |
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| 14:08.08 | anoob | I've started mysql with: "# mysqld --general_log=1 --log_output=TABLE" but nothing is logged in mysql.general_log table ... |
| 14:09.13 | Night_Elf | calrogman: I will do that. |
| 14:09.24 | intore | am sorry, "i thought"!!! |
| 14:09.43 | TheWarden | calrogman: Interesting... I love BSD but ended up leaving it because I required a system that handles updates better yet still wanted a fairly clean/simplistic approach. So that's how I ended up with Debian. I used OpenBSD for many years happily but it lacks some features that I required. |
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| 14:09.58 | calrogman | Night_Elf: Oh and try defining a bash function `echoaa(){echo $aa;}' and then running `aa=foo echoaa' ;-) |
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| 14:10.27 | me-1 | hi...I am ubable to connect to wired DSL (working fine with windows) |
| 14:10.29 | calrogman | TheWarden: You'd be happy to hear that Debian kFreeBSD uses the Debian package management tools then. :-) |
| 14:12.32 | Night_Elf | calrogman: I could do that. But still I think these are workarounds. To what I know, the standard, by definition behaviour should be that "variable=value echo $variable" must return 'value' and then "variable=value ; echo $variable" must return nothing. |
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| 14:13.35 | calrogman | `variable=value; echo $variable' will return "value", because the `variable=value' part is a separate command |
| 14:13.37 | TheWarden | calrogman: it sounds like an intriguing approach and something I may check out some day, however I still wonder if its viable long term. The one major advantage to me with Debian is it has a large base of community which drives it long term not to mention makes it easier to look for help when needed. |
| 14:13.50 | me-1 | I am ubable to connect to wired DSL |
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| 14:14.09 | calrogman | TheWarden: It's going to be in the next stable release so it's definitely being taken seriously. |
| 14:14.53 | calrogman | TheWarden: Or rather, it was released as part of the current stable, but as a tech preview. |
| 14:15.27 | calrogman | TheWarden: In any case, it's doing better than the ill-fated Debian Gnu/NetBSD port did. |
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| 14:16.45 | me-1 | any command to check online status |
| 14:17.25 | calrogman | me-1: yeah, ifconfig |
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| 14:18.35 | nsadmin | me-1, why are you unable to connect, if you presently know? if not, what are you doing to find out? |
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| 14:19.56 | me-1 | nsadmin, my computer can connect with widows but not with debian its wired dsl so no settings required |
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| 14:20.19 | nsadmin | me-1 one thing that we need to know, is the approximate shape of your network, starting with "what is the exact device that the dsl phone line is connected to?" |
| 14:20.54 | nsadmin | also, what mechanism in debian do you use to configure your connection? |
| 14:21.19 | nsadmin | bb in abt 5 mins |
| 14:21.49 | Night_Elf | calrogman: I can swear that at a friend yesterday, I saw it happen as I described. I will check today again. |
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| 14:22.05 | TheWarden | calrogman: yeah that is true... I'll have to keep an eye on it. |
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| 14:22.31 | calrogman | Night_Elf: I have a sneaking suspicion that variable expansion on the command line is done before variable assignment. |
| 14:22.37 | TheWarden | calrogman: as for now I'm heavily invested in Debian at work and at home so I won't be going off switching any time soon but will try it on the side for now :-). |
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| 14:23.01 | TheWarden | calrogman: nothing like a multi-boot setup or virtual box. |
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| 14:23.38 | calrogman | TheWarden: At least you have reasonable "on the side"s. I'm getting caught up in Gentoo. It's a gateway distro... |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | calrogman: i have no idea why you keep feeling the need to discuss Gentoo here .. |
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| 14:24.40 | calrogman | abrotman: I wasn't discussing it. I was commenting on TheWarden choice of distractions. :-) |
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| 14:25.32 | TheWarden | calrogman: I try various OSs here and there to see what is out there however I've never used Gentoo. lol so true they are distractions but a geeks level of fun :-). |
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| 14:26.35 | TheWarden | abrotman: interesting you say that, in our discussion Gentoo was only mentioned and not discussed. It all was about Debian. |
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| 14:27.06 | calrogman | TheWarden: I discussed Gentoo on here a few days ago, don't worry about it. :-) |
| 14:27.08 | abrotman | i mention it because it's happened before |
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| 14:27.17 | calrogman | abrotman: Yes, once. |
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| 14:28.28 | nsadmin | me-1, so, your responses? |
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| 14:30.37 | tash | can I enabled all 50 with a2enmod at once? |
| 14:30.43 | tash | a2enmod * :) ? |
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| 14:30.48 | tash | sorry |
| 14:30.55 | tash | I mean to say I have 50 sites to enable first of all :) |
| 14:31.07 | rgr | somewhat surprisingly iphone tethering over usb wont work with debian stable despite latest ipheth modules being compiled in. So, I know it works over wireless, so can someone please recommend a no nonsense usb wireless dongle for debian stable. |
| 14:31.20 | OpenTokix | tash: you can create the symlinks yourself |
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| 14:31.53 | rgr | cd sites-enabled; sudo ln -s ../sites-availabe/* . |
| 14:31.56 | bmomjian | I was getting random "cannot connect" errors with Iceweasel on Debian Squeeze for Google/Youtube. Turning off IPv6 in about:config fixed it. What is the actual bug here? |
| 14:32.22 | rgr | ipv6 is still a mess? Same things happen with java updates for things like eclipse. |
| 14:32.40 | abrotman | rgr: find something based on atheros |
| 14:32.46 | rgr | will do. |
| 14:32.51 | bmomjian | yikes, that seems amazing. Is it a Debian mess or my ISP's mess? |
| 14:33.00 | Diopter | ipv6 isn't a mess. |
| 14:33.05 | rgr | yes it is. |
| 14:33.09 | rgr | in places. |
| 14:33.18 | Diopter | rgr: Like? |
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| 14:33.31 | gnarface | bmomjian's ISP |
| 14:33.33 | bmomjian | I am on Verizon Business FIOS. You would think they would have it working. |
| 14:33.37 | rgr | Like the example I just gave. And two seconds googling ip6 issues. |
| 14:33.42 | rgr | Its getting better. |
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| 14:33.54 | gnarface | bmomjian: ask them but i'm almost certain just about *NO* ISPs have ipv6 ready yet |
| 14:33.57 | nsadmin | bmomjian, sometimes when I paused a video (for like hours, or days sometimes) I might get "an error occured" |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | bmomjian: if someone advertises a AAAA, your system will try to use IIRC |
| 14:34.08 | Diopter | gnarface: Actually Comcast has been rolling it out for some time. |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | erm, use it |
| 14:34.14 | bmomjian | what is really odd is that the Ubuntu laptops that connect to the router, just like the Debian server, are fine |
| 14:34.16 | Diopter | abrotman: Correct. Which is what the real issue is. |
| 14:34.22 | Diopter | Not ipv6 being broken in some way. |
| 14:34.41 | Dagger2 | abramart: but if your own system doesn't have IPv6, it'll sort the AAAA record down to the bottom... and any attempt to use it will fail immediately |
| 14:34.46 | Diopter | rgr: Googling "*anything* issues" will find dumptrucks of people having problems that aren't related to the actual *something* being broken. |
| 14:35.10 | rgr | Look, there ar eissues, I have had them, whistling dixies and saying there arent any issues is simply silly. |
| 14:35.11 | bmomjian | I was super-worried the Debian system was broken because the server failing like this isn't good for other services |
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| 14:35.16 | abrotman | Dagger2: i'm aware .. |
| 14:35.18 | TheWarden | calrogman: thanks for mentioning vlock. It works great. Still amazes me that suck a feature isn't considered standard especially in a world that does some level of focus on security. |
| 14:35.20 | Diopter | Dagger2: Which may fail unexpectedly if you have v6 enabled enough to have link-local communication to your router. |
| 14:35.21 | rgr | Of course it could also be his ip. |
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| 14:35.45 | Dagger2 | Diopter: just having LL is no problem |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | or it could be any number of hops along the way |
| 14:36.03 | Dagger2 | Diopter: if you have no default v6 route, any attempt to connect to a v6 address will fail immediately |
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| 14:36.05 | bmomjian | This is for server momjian.us, which seems to work fine, though my brother, who is also on Verizon, can't connect to it via http or ftp, but can ping it; very odd |
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| 14:36.38 | abrotman | bmomjian: ISPs are rolling out ipv6 slowly to customers .. wouldn't surprise me for two neighbors to have a different experience |
| 14:36.38 | Dagger2 | Diopter: (and if you have a v6 route, but the router has no v6 itself, it'll respond back with an ICMP unreachable, so the failure there will be very fast) |
| 14:37.02 | bmomjian | but I assume he is using IPv4; hs iis just macs and Win7 |
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| 14:37.08 | bmomjian | he is just macs and win7 |
| 14:37.12 | nsadmin | bmomjian, oh, I see... so it's your server, and some people aren't able to connect |
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| 14:37.17 | Dagger2 | bmomjian: do you have a default route in `ip -6 route`? |
| 14:37.20 | bmomjian | just one, actually |
| 14:37.33 | Diopter | Dagger2: I'm aware. Unless you have a SOHO that may or may not do ICMPv6 unreachables. I've seen more than a few that have them disabled/blocked by default, but have basic v6 stacks going |
| 14:37.39 | nsadmin | I wouldn't be surprised if verizon wanted money for letting people connect to you |
| 14:37.47 | bmomjian | that returns two lines that start with: fe80::/64 |
| 14:38.20 | Diopter | Dagger2: I'm unwilling to assume that Verizon "business" routers do the right thing :P |
| 14:38.23 | bmomjian | this is a business acount, 25MB symetric |
| 14:38.35 | bmomjian | one would hope ;-) |
| 14:39.01 | abrotman | Diopter: i didn't use it with v6, but generally, it worked well enough |
| 14:39.02 | Dagger2 | bmomjian: in that case, I'd suspect the issue is your DNS server. try doing `dig AAAA <some hosts>` and seeing if they come back with "status: NOERROR" (good) or "status: NXDOMAIN/SERVFAIL" (bad, if the given domain does exist and has an A record) |
| 14:39.44 | bmomjian | dig returns valid info, NOERROR |
| 14:39.52 | bmomjian | I did google.com |
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| 14:40.25 | calrogman | TheWarden: Bash does have a feature where it can close after a specified idle time, if that's worth anything. :-) |
| 14:40.51 | Dagger2 | bmomjian: you said it was intermittant, so it may be that only some queries fail |
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| 14:41.09 | abrotman | it could be a round robin dns issue |
| 14:41.13 | TheWarden | calrogman: oh really, I wasn't aware of that. mmmm |
| 14:41.39 | Diopter | abrotman: That'd be my guess |
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| 14:42.32 | bmomjian | It was weird. My system is flying! and every laptop has rock-solid connectivity through the router, and I start iceweasel, and it can't even do a word search, and I am like, wow, something is wrong, but I had no idea what. Googling (from a laptop) showed the ipv6 trick to fix it. |
| 14:43.05 | bmomjian | the failures are pretty consistent; it always takes a few tries to get Google to display, so the NOERROR I think is consistent |
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| 14:43.57 | bmomjian | I suppose if I had been using Debian on my laptops at the start, I would have paniced. |
| 14:44.12 | Dagger2 | bmomjian: (presumably you're doing the dig from the same system Firefox is failing on, right? and toggling the conf option off causes it to break again, so it wasn't just a temporary issue?) |
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| 14:44.30 | abrotman | bmomjian: you may want to contact Verizon ? |
| 14:44.39 | calrogman | Yeah TheWarden, have a look for "TMOUT" in bash(1) |
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| 14:45.08 | bmomjian | no, the failures have been happening since I installed the server six months ago. http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2012.html#January_20_2012 |
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| 14:45.20 | nsadmin | remember that since bash is gnu, the man page is not maintained as well as the info page |
| 14:45.32 | bmomjian | I avoided the problem because I don't use a browser on the server often, and it can connect to the Debian default page just fine |
| 14:45.50 | bmomjian | I will ask Verizon |
| 14:45.54 | TheWarden | calrogman: oh wait, yeah I think I just read about that. That's for a situation where your writing a bash script you can set a time out. I'm just in the shell and wanting to lock it. Be cool if it locks automatically after a set duration. |
| 14:45.58 | calrogman | nsadmin: That's one of my biggest gripes with GNU... The bash manpage is decent enough though. |
| 14:46.46 | calrogman | TheWarden: Yeah, the bash shell itself will also terminate if you set TMOUT and idle for a bit. |
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| 14:48.36 | nsadmin | calrogman, just saying, the info pages are where usually the best information is on most gnu source distributions |
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| 14:49.51 | calrogman | nsadmin: Every time I have to use info, i start by running `man info'. |
| 14:49.53 | nsadmin | I happen to like info pages a lot more than man pages, mostly due to navigation and quality of material |
| 14:50.18 | nsadmin | you know there is "info info" :P |
| 14:50.49 | calrogman | nsadmin: Heresy! |
| 14:51.04 | nsadmin | oh, true? religious? |
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| 14:51.30 | calrogman | nsadmin: Cult of vi, representing? |
| 14:51.52 | nsadmin | calrogman, for me... no cults, and no vi :) |
| 14:52.08 | TheWarden | calrogman: interesting, I'll look into this more and implement it as a system wide setting. Good security feature. |
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| 14:52.19 | calrogman | You like text editors that beep repeatedly, nsadmin? ;-) |
| 14:52.28 | TheWarden | calrogman: too bad this can't be set system wide no matter what shell interrupter used. |
| 14:52.41 | sephii | nsadmin: but you know that vi is the best editor out there right? |
| 14:52.53 | calrogman | Sure it can TheWarden, /etc/profile.d/ :-) |
| 14:52.56 | nsadmin | calrogman, sorry, can't get into that discussion; it's off topic here |
| 14:53.05 | calrogman | nsadmin: Sure thing, no worries. |
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| 14:54.01 | TheWarden | calrogman: oh but from what I've read the TMOUT is bash only. Ahh yes the /etc/profile.d/ but I thought that was not to be used and the /etc/bash.bashrc should be the place for system wide settings? |
| 14:54.09 | nsadmin | sephii, same comment... can't continue to discuss that for offtopic reasons |
| 14:54.41 | nsadmin | it also had zero to do with the communication I wanted to put forth |
| 14:54.43 | babilen | → #debian-offtopic (clearly Emacs+Evil is the best editor) |
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| 14:55.44 | calrogman | TheWarden: Well it's probably in zsh too. Couldn't tell you about ksh, tcsh or any-other-sh |
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| 14:56.54 | Innocentus | hi |
| 14:57.04 | Innocentus | netstat -anp | grep :80 |
| 14:57.09 | Innocentus | how can this command become live? |
| 14:57.12 | Innocentus | I want to watch it in realtime |
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| 14:57.47 | calrogman | Innocentus: Use watch? |
| 14:57.59 | Innocentus | ok |
| 14:58.01 | Sm0ke0ut | nasty way: while true; do clear; netstat -anp | grep :80; sleep 1; done |
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| 14:58.08 | Sm0ke0ut | or that (if available) |
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| 14:59.05 | nsadmin | I like the way ls displays its lists... has that been factored? |
| 14:59.43 | nsadmin | actually the ls -C functionality |
| 15:00.16 | Innocentus | ok |
| 15:00.18 | Innocentus | watch |
| 15:00.19 | Innocentus | hmm |
| 15:00.21 | Innocentus | watch netstat -anp | grep :80 |
| 15:00.26 | Innocentus | this doesn't work because the pipe is not applied |
| 15:00.29 | Innocentus | how can I force it? |
| 15:00.36 | Innocentus | ( ) doesn't work btw |
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| 15:02.28 | Innocentus | anyone an idea? watch (netstat -anp | grep :80) doesn't work |
| 15:03.00 | babilen | Innocentus: quote it |
| 15:03.17 | themill | watch(1) discusses this |
| 15:03.32 | Riviera | Innocentus: the simple solution is just to put your commands in a small script and let watch execute that instead. |
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| 15:04.23 | babilen | Riviera: No, you just have to quite the command as discussed in the manpage in the EXAMPLES section (and thereafter) |
| 15:04.29 | Riviera | yup yup |
| 15:04.58 | Riviera | that works well until someone who doesn't understand quoting needs commands that require quotes themselves |
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| 15:05.07 | Riviera | hence i said "the simple solution," that always works |
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| 15:05.43 | TheWarden | calrogman: so should I be using /etc/profile.d/ or /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 15:06.11 | nsadmin | stop fighting about who's solution is better :P it's as bad as the editor war I kicked in the ass a moment ago :P |
| 15:07.11 | calrogman | TheWarden: I'm not sure, depends on how well you write portable shell scripts :-) |
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| 15:08.31 | TheWarden | calrogman: well I'm just wanting to set I guess now the tmout and a customized prompt. I was going to use /etc/bash.bashrc but then I thought the /etc/profile.d/ seemed like a better idea but I'm not sure. In my case all systems are BASH. |
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| 15:09.02 | calrogman | TheWarden: If it's all bash, use bash.bashrc |
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| 15:10.40 | nsadmin | TheWarden, concur... you'd want to write code that works on all sh-style shells (not just bash) if you put it in profile.d in case you install another shell or move/copy to another system |
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| 15:11.24 | TheWarden | thanks guys |
| 15:11.40 | nsadmin | (also remember that a link called sh that points to bash causes it to behave differently |
| 15:11.44 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 15:20.54 | grobda24 | Hello. Struggling a bit with dpkg here. I'm installing a "*.deb" from the command line "--install" gives warnings about missing dependencies but no easy way of extracting the names. "dpkg -I clementine_1.0.1~squeeze_i386.deb" goes into more detail but I can't seem to parse out a simple single line list of dependencies. |
| 15:21.22 | grobda24 | How do I just list required dependencies on a single line ? Then I can pass them to my package manager. |
| 15:21.31 | Diopter | grobda24: dpkg -i file.deb; apt-get -f install |
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| 15:22.54 | grobda24 | Diopter, oh I see. So dpkg partially installs the package (as it says it has done) then apt-get -f repairs it ? |
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| 15:23.42 | grobda24 | That's so simple I wonder who has been informing about this before :} |
| 15:23.44 | Diopter | grobda24: Not exactly repairs, per-se, but that's close enough. |
| 15:24.23 | Diopter | grobda24: If you "man apt-get" and /-f, you can read about it. It fixes broken/missing dependency mappings. |
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| 15:24.44 | Diopter | grobda24: Which in this case allows you to purposefully break the mappings by manually installing your .deb :) |
| 15:25.19 | grobda24 | Diopter, thankyou for clearly explaining that :) |
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| 15:26.06 | Diopter | grobda24: Sure thing |
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| 15:26.19 | Anticom | hi all |
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| 15:46.57 | simplew | is possible in debian install to isntall an encrypted system? and not just encrypt /home ) |
| 15:46.59 | simplew | is possible in debian install to isntall an encrypted system? and not just encrypt /home ? |
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| 15:48.37 | robin_sz | hi, I have a question realting to mysql on debian ... I copied a complete mysql data dir from one machine to another .. and whne mysql start it whines about the debian-maintainer password being inccorect ... :( .. out of interest, where would I find this normally? |
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| 15:48.54 | robin_sz | presumably I just need to copy that over from the source machine as well |
| 15:49.42 | themill | robin_sz: in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and as a user passwd in the mysql.users table |
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| 15:50.11 | robin_sz | ah right, etc .. cheeeeeers |
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| 15:51.06 | robin_sz | is it random per install? |
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| 15:52.00 | themill | robin_sz: fsvo random pass=`perl -e 'print map{("a".."z","A".."Z",0..9)[int(rand(62))]}(1..16)'`; |
| 15:52.10 | robin_sz | random enough |
| 15:52.17 | robin_sz | tyvm |
| 15:52.25 | robin_sz | have 2 free internets |
| 15:52.35 | themill | robin_sz: (from /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.1.postinst if you're curious) |
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| 15:55.14 | robin_sz | id never looked, thats a nicely comprehensive script ... |
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| 15:58.27 | kryl | is there equivalent of MAAS for debian ? |
| 15:59.28 | simplew | is possible in debian install to isntall an encrypted system? and not just encrypt /home ? |
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| 16:00.46 | ksk | simplew: yes, the amazing debian-gui-installer even supports it |
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| 16:01.32 | simplew | ksk: but in ubuntu its only possible to encrypt /home, are you really sure? |
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| 16:02.05 | Diopter | simplew: Actually I think you can encrypt the whole disk with LUKS if you use the expert install mode in Ubuntu's Alternate installer. |
| 16:02.34 | babilen | !tell simplew -about ig |
| 16:03.03 | simplew | Diopter: use what? |
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| 16:03.49 | babilen | simplew: Read "6.3.3.6. Configuring Encrypted Volumes" in the installation guide (and I would strongly recommend to read the whole chapter or at least familiarise yourself with LVM as well) |
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| 16:04.23 | Diopter | simplew: Ubuntu. There's an "alternate" installation disc. It includes LVM and RAID and such. And you can choose "expert" install at the boot loder. |
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| 16:04.35 | Diopter | simplew: Just like you can choose "expert" install at the Debian boot loader. |
| 16:04.41 | Diopter | Imagine that. |
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| 16:06.06 | simplew | i did runned ubuntu lide dvd and didnt saw any expert option to use when at the stage to choose the partitions |
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| 16:07.52 | Diopter | simplew: Try reading what I said again. Each word is important! |
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| 16:14.54 | meken | Hello, i'm using an external script in the declarartion of my PS1 in .bashrc. The script only gets called once when .bashrc is sourced. I want it to be called every time I change a directory. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:17.44 | simplew | Diopter: and this install is available in debian live dvd install? |
| 16:18.11 | Diopter | simplew: Not sure, I hardly ever use anything but the netinstalls |
| 16:18.15 | simplew | meken: ia sources? |
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| 16:18.34 | simplew | meken: is sourced? |
| 16:18.50 | simplew | Diopter: i need to know what install |
| 16:18.54 | pickcoder | do I need to install any special MIBs to get mrtg to log traffic for configured interfaces? |
| 16:18.57 | bzed | meken: man bash; /PROMPTING and /promptvars |
| 16:19.20 | pickcoder | cfgmaker and indexmaker worked but it isn't actually logging |
| 16:19.26 | meken | simplew: Oh, I thought .bashrc is sourced once when bash is invoked. |
| 16:19.35 | meken | simplew: Only once. |
| 16:19.44 | bzed | meken: it is only sourced once |
| 16:19.51 | bzed | meken: read the manpage :) |
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| 16:23.22 | bzed | meken: and PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 16:23.29 | simplew | Diopter: i need to know what iso to download |
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| 16:25.23 | pjc_ | simplew: the live dvd would typically be used to troubleshoot a broken system and I would not use it for an install |
| 16:25.38 | pjc_ | simplew: I recommend using the netinstall iso |
| 16:25.45 | meken | bzed: Hmmm... my $PROMPT_COMMAND is set to printf "\033]0;%s@%s:%s\007" "${USER}" "${HOSTNAME%%.*}" "${PWD/#$HOME/~}" |
| 16:25.58 | Diopter | simplew: Like I said, I only use netinstalls. |
| 16:26.18 | simplew | pjc_: that use cant i |
| 16:26.39 | meken | I would think that I would throw my script in there, but I'm confused because of the printf in $PROMPT_COMMAND. |
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| 16:27.04 | meken | bzed: The path of my script I mean. |
| 16:27.27 | barxool | why CTRL+Z doesn't work in telnet ? |
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| 16:27.46 | pjc_ | was that English? |
| 16:28.15 | ghabit | Hello. Can anyone pay some attention and answer some noob questions? I want to try linux and want to do it with debian. Some questions - how to setup graphical os loading? Where I can see version of some packages - gnome, kde? Thank you. |
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| 16:29.01 | simplew | pjc_: internet my is so not good |
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| 16:29.42 | Diopter | barxool: Telnet actually tells you how to 'escape' to the telnet shell; it's usually ^-[ |
| 16:29.49 | Diopter | barxool: You can probably ^-Z from there |
| 16:30.10 | cedr | I thought is was ^-] |
| 16:30.10 | simplew | pjc_: install need to have files, dowload cant them |
| 16:30.34 | Diopter | cedr: Maybe that. I haven't regularly telnetted in a billionty years. Anything that's not ssh is netcat :P |
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| 16:31.41 | barxool | Diopter> lol i never read it ! thx |
| 16:32.02 | barxool | cedr> yes it's ^-] |
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| 16:33.47 | simplew | no one knows? |
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| 16:34.21 | cedr | Diopter: :P |
| 16:34.50 | themill | simplew: any of the installer images can make an encrypted install. |
| 16:34.52 | cedr | simplew: CD1 would work |
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| 16:35.33 | simplew | themill: encryp system all? |
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| 16:36.05 | themill | simplew: have you read the relevant chapter of the install guide yet? |
| 16:36.07 | simplew | themill: not /home just? |
| 16:36.25 | simplew | themill: oui |
| 16:36.29 | meken | bzed: Thanks. |
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| 16:40.01 | Synthead | where can I find/get the default apache2.conf file from apache? |
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| 16:40.11 | Synthead | the debian default |
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| 16:40.51 | nvz | !confnew |
| 16:40.51 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 16:41.14 | simplew | pjc_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ appear 10 iso, one which download ? |
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| 16:42.03 | sistematico | Hello all. |
| 16:42.06 | barxool | When one hits "^-Z" in a shell, the shell does not actually read any keyboard values but receive SIGSTOP. How does it work ? Is it the "controlling terminal", ie the kernel, that interprets ^-Z and send a signal to the attach process ? |
| 16:42.07 | cedr | Hello |
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| 16:42.44 | simplew | help please |
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| 16:42.49 | sistematico | Im having a issue with PekWM, Gnome Terminal or XFCE Terminal is not fully-maximized. |
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| 16:42.57 | Diopter | simplew: First one should suffice |
| 16:43.07 | nvz | barxool: yes, the keyboard bios sends a code the kernel interprets it as always |
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| 16:43.20 | themill | simplew: you should get the stable installed. either the netinst, cd1 or dvd1 is fine. That link is not for the stable installer. |
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| 16:43.41 | sistematico | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/termh.png/ |
| 16:43.55 | simplew | themill: kde version stable in? |
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| 16:44.17 | Synthead | nvz: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install apache2 didn't give me a /etc/apache2 dir |
| 16:44.19 | themill | dpkg: tell simplew about kde version |
| 16:44.29 | cedr | sistematico: use sudo |
| 16:44.37 | themill | Synthead: what are you really trying to do here? |
| 16:44.49 | sistematico | I look at #pekwm, Google, PekWM Wiki, Debian Forums, and nothind related. |
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| 16:44.53 | sistematico | cedr: ? |
| 16:44.59 | Synthead | themill: I've been tinkering with the configs too much and want the default configs back |
| 16:45.03 | simplew | themill: old very much the kde |
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| 16:45.05 | cedr | sistematico: You can't 'aptitude install x' without being root |
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| 16:45.37 | barxool | nvz> ok, it could have been the shell that receive "CTRL+Z" and decide to send SIGSTOP to its foreground jobs |
| 16:45.39 | sistematico | cedr: No, look at bottom. |
| 16:46.00 | sistematico | cedr: Terminal Window doesnt touch bmpanel. |
| 16:46.13 | cedr | ah |
| 16:46.14 | simplew | themill: testing have kde recent? |
| 16:46.17 | sistematico | :) |
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| 16:46.42 | themill | simplew: I'd suggest that you install stable and learn your way around debian before you go anywhere near testing |
| 16:46.49 | nvz | barxool: indeed, that happens too |
| 16:46.49 | sistematico | cedr: Its maximized, but not fully. |
| 16:46.53 | barxool | nvz> when a process is in foreground, and one hit "^-Z", the kernel sends SIGSTOP directly to this process or to the shell, that "forward" the signal to its child ? |
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| 16:47.10 | barxool | nvz> you meen, on other platform ? or is it configurable ? |
| 16:47.12 | sistematico | cedr: Only with Terminal. |
| 16:47.14 | simplew | themill: testing what is? |
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| 16:47.31 | sistematico | cedr: On XChat, Firefox, Gedit, is everything ok. |
| 16:47.32 | Synthead | themill: uninstalling and reinstalling apache2 doesn't get it back |
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| 16:47.56 | cedr | ah |
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| 16:48.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Synthead about confmiss |
| 16:48.06 | cedr | I only really use server debian, so i'm not of much help |
| 16:48.12 | cedr | s/server debian/debian as a server/ |
| 16:48.54 | themill | Synthead: deleting the config files (not the entire directory tree, just hte ones you want to get back) and then using "confmiss" on the appropriate package is the easiest way. Use "dpkg -S filename" to work out what the right package is |
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| 16:49.48 | simplew | debian dont have live dvd avev kde recent? |
| 16:50.17 | Synthead | themill: can I use dpkg to retrieve packages or use a local cache (without specifying the directory)? like apt-get behavior? |
| 16:50.17 | simplew | gnome or recent? |
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| 16:51.55 | themill | Synthead: for dpkg -S? You're using "dpkg -S /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" to find out what packages gives you that file |
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| 16:52.36 | Synthead | themill: what the heck? apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 didn't put /etc/apache2 in place |
| 16:52.54 | Synthead | ahhh |
| 16:52.55 | Synthead | wait |
| 16:52.59 | nvz | themill: he seems to be fully understanding the concept.. heh |
| 16:53.02 | themill | Synthead: (a) wrong package (b) have you deleted all of /etc/apache2? |
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| 16:53.29 | Synthead | themill: apache2.2-common :) it worked, thanks! |
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| 16:53.41 | nvz | wanders off to attepmt to piss himself off further with cold water |
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| 16:54.43 | teratoma | does the normal cd let me do full disk encryption like the alternate ? |
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| 16:55.06 | themill | teratoma: "alternate"? |
| 16:55.16 | metaphysician | `nautilus' is bloated when compared to `thunar' |
| 16:55.33 | nvz | metaphysician: pork is the other white meat |
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| 16:56.00 | teratoma | themill: alternate. yes. that's what its called isnt it? |
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| 16:56.23 | themill | teratoma: this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 16:56.26 | teratoma | oh |
| 16:56.27 | teratoma | oops |
| 16:56.28 | teratoma | lol |
| 16:56.29 | simplew | hello? |
| 16:57.21 | nvz | simplew: hi.. ran into a parce error around token "Avev" |
| 16:58.27 | simplew | nvz: undesrandt not |
| 16:58.36 | nvz | simplew: what is your native language? |
| 16:58.44 | themill | nvz: say it with the sort of outrageous french accent yoda might have |
| 16:59.11 | nvz | themill: heh.. I'm still trying to figure out how a sentance starting out "debian don't" becomes a question |
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| 17:02.15 | simplew | playing me with |
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| 17:02.45 | simplew | nice not |
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| 17:03.13 | nvz | is there a #debian-yoda? |
| 17:03.13 | simplew | nice is not |
| 17:03.19 | themill | simplew: I don't think anyone's sure what you're asking. Is there another language that you'd be more comfortable seeking help in? Debian has channels in many other languages. |
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| 17:04.18 | khaktoos | I'm not sure what you're asking, too |
| 17:04.21 | simplew | i download thestable now |
| 17:04.29 | khaktoos | just move your ass to that channel and discover if that exists |
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| 17:04.58 | simplew | thanks the help |
| 17:05.17 | nvz | just make sure you hold your horses when downloading the stable.. they may not like it |
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| 17:07.01 | simplew | nvz: why talking the horses? |
| 17:07.45 | simplew | i see message in translate google |
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| 17:09.49 | simplew | my cousin doesnt speak english very well, but im helping him now, thank you guys |
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| 17:13.42 | simplew | theres no one in #debian-pt |
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| 17:17.42 | abrotman | simplew: on irc.oftc.net, not on irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:19.29 | simplew | abrotman: ok |
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| 17:19.45 | khaktoos | how to upgrade from 6.0.3 to 6.0.4? |
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| 17:20.32 | abrotman | khaktoos: do your sources point at squeeze ? |
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| 17:21.38 | khaktoos | abrotman, I have no idea what you mean?! |
| 17:22.05 | abrotman | khaktoos: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:22.46 | simonlnu | ? |
| 17:23.08 | simplew | abrotman: why is needed to change server? |
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| 17:23.40 | simonlnu | simplew: because that's where #debian-pt is, on that other network |
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| 17:24.02 | nitzs | simplew: sometimes different irc channels use different servers |
| 17:24.39 | karlpinc | simplew: Same reason you must change the server to work on wikipedia articles when you've been working on the debian wiki -- it's a different organization running things. |
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| 17:30.00 | Bogus8 | hello... I'm trying to setup scponly and I got it working 99% like I want it. My only issue is I'd LIKE for the user to be dropped into their r/w directory [incomming] right on log on and not even be able to move up in to their "home"... is this possible? |
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| 17:30.12 | wwd | so ehh. probably a noob question, but my mdadm isnt sending out email alerts… i have postfix installed… any thoughts? |
| 17:30.59 | wwd | also my email address is correct in mdadm.conf |
| 17:31.02 | gnarface | Bogus8: should be a standard feature of chrooting in openssh, no? |
| 17:31.17 | Bogus8 | wwd: I use mailx (I think)... it's a very light weight easy to use mailer and if that is your only need for it, it's perfect. |
| 17:31.41 | Bogus8 | gnarface: it has a "false" root that they get dropped into |
| 17:31.47 | wwd | how do i get mdadm to use that? |
| 17:31.49 | Bogus8 | "jailed" might be the better term... sorry |
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| 17:32.04 | Bogus8 | wwd: Let me look but I don't think you really have to do anything fancy |
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| 17:32.28 | wwd | Bogus8: thanks |
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| 17:32.41 | [oOoOO] | Hi @ all. I'm running Debian with X on an old laptop with the FOSS Radeon drivers. Whilst running dual monitors (laptop LCD + external CRT) works just fine, moving windows is incredibly sluggish. What can I do to ``fix'' this? |
| 17:32.42 | metaphysician | something makes the speaker produce unpleasant noise at the very last instants of the shutdown sequence. how do i make debian to shutdown very gracefully and quietly? |
| 17:33.04 | Bogus8 | wwd: MAILADDR <your_email_address> |
| 17:33.13 | [oOoOO] | It can take ~120 seconds for a window to finish moving from one screen to another. |
| 17:33.14 | Bogus8 | in mdadm.conf |
| 17:33.25 | wwd | hmm, i have that |
| 17:33.48 | Bogus8 | wwd, but I had issues until I switched my mailer to mailx |
| 17:34.05 | Bogus8 | wwd: if you don't NEED postfix, I'd dump it (uninstall) and install mailx |
| 17:34.25 | Bogus8 | wwd: I just couldn't get postfix to work. That was my problem. |
| 17:35.08 | Bogus8 | wwd: Wait... I was mistaken... nullmailer is what I use |
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| 17:35.42 | wwd | okay, so just removing postfix and installing nullmailer |
| 17:35.45 | wwd | should do the trick |
| 17:35.55 | Bogus8 | worked like a champ for me. |
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| 17:36.31 | Bogus8 | wwd: I was so relieved... I had spent weeks (if not months) fighting with postfix and other mailers till someone in here suggested that and it just POOF! Worked |
| 17:36.57 | Bogus8 | hello... I'm trying to setup scponly and I got it working 99% like I want it. My only issue is I'd LIKE for the user to be dropped into their r/w directory [incomming] right on log on and not even be able to move up in to their "home"... is this possible? |
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| 17:37.28 | Bogus8 | As of right now they get dropped into /home/<username>/ |
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| 17:37.58 | Bogus8 | They can then see their .ssh their profile their etc, lib, usr... all that jazz |
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| 17:38.08 | wwd | awesome, i will look into it and report back |
| 17:38.11 | Bogus8 | it's all owned by root but they can still download it. |
| 17:38.25 | Bogus8 | I'm sure it's really a non-issue but I'd like it be cleaner. |
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| 17:38.46 | Bogus8 | I'd like them to be dropped into the "incomming" dir and not be able to move back to /home/<username>/ |
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| 17:39.51 | Bogus8 | wwd: you may have to configure nullmailer to bounce off another smpt server (that was what I needed anyway)... I didn't desire to send mail from my actual box. So I use a gmail account to relay the mail through. |
| 17:40.27 | Bogus8 | wwd: hit me back if you need some help with that... it's pretty straight forward though. |
| 17:40.35 | wwd | Bogus8: will do |
| 17:40.40 | wwd | thanks |
| 17:40.43 | Bogus8 | np |
| 17:41.10 | Bogus8 | Now, back to my scponly issue... :) What am I missing to get this to happen or should I just move on and not worry about it? |
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| 17:43.44 | abrotman | Bogus8: that's a chroot |
| 17:44.30 | Bogus8 | abrotman: right... I know it's basically a "fake" file system... but is it possible to make it "cleaner" if nothing else? at least drop them straight into a sub dir? |
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| 17:46.34 | abrotman | that i don't know |
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| 17:55.28 | nvz | would anyone happen to know of a program that can work from console like alsamixer that can do what the sound prefs does and change volume of individual apps? |
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| 18:00.19 | ska | Is there an easy way to remote install debian from ssh or via IPMI? |
| 18:00.26 | ska | or even a hard way. |
| 18:00.58 | nvz | ska: if it already runs linux there are numerous ways |
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| 18:01.27 | pickcoder | even if not there are live CDs |
| 18:01.28 | ska | nvz: it may be running a cd version of Linux. |
| 18:01.35 | nvz | debtakeover, debootstrap |
| 18:01.49 | ska | I guess I can get someone to throw in a USB or cd for me. |
| 18:02.42 | pickcoder | I think there is an installer image around that has a net-console enabled |
| 18:02.54 | karlpinc | ska: The installer allows remote install over ssh after the most basic of questions is asked. See the install guide. |
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| 18:03.44 | nvz | basically what I am trying to achieve here is the ability to adjust music volume while playing an sdl full screen game |
| 18:04.13 | ska | karlpinc: cool.. I'll look.. I've been fighting a failing system, and it won. |
| 18:04.15 | nvz | I can do this with pulseaudio but not when I can't access the GUI.. and there doesnt seem to be any console apps that have application based mixing |
| 18:04.22 | pickcoder | nvz: turn it all the way up before you start and then use the pillow-stiffle method |
| 18:04.26 | ska | karlpinc: actually it died. |
| 18:04.32 | nvz | pickcoder: o.O |
| 18:04.37 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:05.00 | nvz | I have a master volume on my speakers |
| 18:05.02 | ska | I was using 3ware raid, but I'll likely go to software mirrors + hotspares. |
| 18:05.14 | nvz | the issue is being able to control the individual applications volume seperately |
| 18:05.29 | ska | Also I noticed that you can have more than 2 in a mirror which is nice. |
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| 18:05.44 | ska | Wasted space true, but the data is easy to get to.. |
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| 18:06.21 | nvz | the only way I can control what song is playing and the volume is to plug ipod into microphone port.. but my cable is flaky and causes static issues not to mention the mic is preamped |
| 18:07.10 | nvz | oh well.. will just have to leave the game all the time to adjust the volume |
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| 18:07.51 | troulouliou_dev | hi is it possible to install a new package on an old lenny server ? |
| 18:08.04 | SpComb | troulouliou_dev: if you use the archives |
| 18:08.21 | SpComb | troulouliou_dev: but it's likely to be outdated and have security holes and whatnot |
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| 18:08.46 | ska | Bootable iso's are nice too. cat image.img >> /dev/sdX |
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| 18:08.54 | troulouliou_dev | SpComb, yes this is not the problem ,i need to install apache and mod_proxy basically |
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| 18:10.00 | pickcoder | troulouliou_dev: which ver |
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| 18:10.04 | troulouliou_dev | is it possible to tweak source.list to update lenny ? |
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| 18:10.27 | troulouliou_dev | 2.2.9-10+lenny4 |
| 18:10.54 | pickcoder | you can always use a backport repos to install a backport |
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| 18:11.18 | troulouliou_dev | pickcoder, i tried but i get 301 Moved Permanently [IPÂ : 86.59.118.148 80] error |
| 18:11.44 | pickcoder | any reason you don't want to upgrade? |
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| 18:12.27 | karlpinc | troulouliou_dev: If you want to upgrade to squeeze follow the release notes. The short-form is as follows: |
| 18:12.28 | troulouliou_dev | pickcoder, yes , this is a bootable disk with a custom application , custom boot encryption .... |
| 18:12.34 | karlpinc | !tell troulouliou_dev about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:12.50 | troulouliou_dev | yes i know but i really can't upgrade it |
| 18:13.38 | troulouliou_dev | i jsut need to install apache on it to mod_proxy to a webservice running on tomcat |
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| 18:15.41 | pickcoder | troulouliou_dev: there is no backport, that's why. You'll have to use an archive repo but keep in mind about security issues if it's public-facing |
| 18:15.45 | SpComb | troulouliou_dev: as I said, archive.debian.org |
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| 18:16.16 | troulouliou_dev | and i can add it to source.list , or i need to install all the deb manually ? |
| 18:16.49 | rainfyre | what version of KDE is Squeeze using these days? |
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| 18:17.10 | pickcoder | troulouliou_dev: change you sources.list host to archive.debian.org |
| 18:17.29 | troulouliou_dev | pickcoder, nice thanks |
| 18:17.47 | Sm0ke0ut | KDE - Version: 5:66 |
| 18:17.58 | Sm0ke0ut | according to apt-cache show kde |
| 18:18.21 | rainfyre | thank you Sm0ke0ut |
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| 18:22.12 | rainfyre | I'm interested in learning how to use KDE, are there any significant problem with installing it alongside Gnome and booting into one or the other as I need/want to? |
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| 18:22.36 | valdyn | rainfyre: no |
| 18:22.40 | dvs | rainfyre: There's no problem with that. |
| 18:22.53 | rainfyre | thank you both |
| 18:23.15 | hjf | I'm having some problems with /etc/network/interfaces. i need to configure about 300 aliases and it takes about 1 minute (!!!) to configure each |
| 18:23.33 | valdyn | hjf: so use something else |
| 18:23.46 | hjf | valdyn: such as? |
| 18:23.54 | valdyn | hjf: your own script |
| 18:24.08 | hjf | valdyn: well yeah but this is more...elegant? i guess |
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| 18:24.37 | hjf | it was working OK, but i think the problems started when I enabled proxy-arp in one of the interfaces |
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| 18:25.49 | valdyn | hjf: no its not elegant to use interfaces for 300 aliases that could be configured in parallel |
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| 18:26.30 | hjf | valdyn: how do you do that? configure them in parallel i mean |
| 18:26.45 | valdyn | hjf: foo & |
| 18:26.56 | karlpinc | hjf: You can still use interfaces but write a script that's called when the interface goes up/down. |
| 18:28.07 | rainfyre | once I've installed KDE, if I don't like it, how would I remove it completely? |
| 18:28.17 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 18:28.18 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 18:28.27 | rainfyre | thank you |
| 18:28.49 | rainfyre | debian is so wonderfully simple |
| 18:29.15 | rainfyre | and, last but not least, what's the package(s) I would want for a basic, minimal install? |
| 18:29.25 | hjf | karlpinc: you mean, call a script on "up" on /etc/network/interfaces to configure eth1:0, eth1:1.. when eth1 goes up? |
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| 18:31.05 | karlpinc | hjf: Right. Use & to send each configuration command into the background so they run in parallel. I think that will do it, although you'll have to be sure that the parent script waits for the childern to all complete before exiting. |
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| 18:31.25 | karlpinc | hjf: I think that's the default, but I forget. |
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| 18:36.24 | karlpinc | rainfyre: The bare minimal install consists only of packages marked "essential". I think you get "important" packages too if you do an install and choose no optinal packages. See the aptitude-doc package for how to search for packages with "important" or "essential" status. |
| 18:36.27 | motafoca | guys, how do i setup my debian box to shutdown after 1 hour of inactivity? im using fluxbox, cant do it "graphically" |
| 18:36.31 | khaktoos | how to upgrade from 6.0.3 to 6.0.4?! |
| 18:36.54 | karlpinc | karakedi: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 18:36.57 | dvs | khaktoos: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 18:36.57 | valdyn | motafoca: man shutdown |
| 18:37.06 | valdyn | motafoca: err nvm |
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| 18:37.19 | motafoca | valdyn, that scheduled shutdown, i need idle :) |
| 18:37.22 | khaktoos | well, how do I know what version of Debian I am using now?! |
| 18:37.35 | motafoca | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:38.04 | khaktoos | thanks all ;) |
| 18:38.24 | khaktoos | is there a gnome3 stable release for debian?! |
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| 18:38.35 | bindi_ | I'm on debian 6.0.4, how can I install java JRE 7? |
| 18:38.39 | karlpinc | khaktoos: No. |
| 18:38.45 | karlpinc | !tell khaktoos about stable |
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| 18:38.59 | karlpinc | !tell khaktoos about overview |
| 18:39.03 | dvs | khaktoos: not yet |
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| 18:43.33 | motafoca | no ideas for idle shutdown? |
| 18:44.03 | karlpinc | motafoca: How do you know when you're idle? |
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| 18:44.55 | motafoca | karlpinc, good question |
| 18:45.27 | karlpinc | motafoca: I'd try to hook into a screensaver. Modify some basic screensaver to shutdown instead. |
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| 18:45.54 | motafoca | karlpinc, humm, good idea |
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| 18:46.02 | eyeofthetiger | Or a cron job. Check once per minute whether a screensaver process is active. If it is, shut down. |
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| 18:48.05 | motafoca | anway i can read if the screen is off? maybe that solves it |
| 18:48.13 | motafoca | screen turns off already, just need the cron part |
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| 18:48.59 | rainfyre | karlpinc: thank you very much! |
| 18:49.03 | eyeofthetiger | I don't know how to check that. I expect it's something in /dev |
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| 18:49.46 | karlpinc | motafoca: I'd look somewhere in /sys/. |
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| 18:51.12 | hjf | i figured it out |
| 18:51.17 | hjf | it was avahi-daemon slowing down stuff |
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| 18:52.09 | motafoca | found it |
| 18:52.14 | motafoca | xset q | grep -i monitor |
| 18:52.15 | motafoca | ;) |
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| 18:53.08 | Bogus8 | wwd: How goes it? |
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| 18:53.26 | wwd | Bogus8: so…… i ended up just using dpkg-reconfigure postfix and this seemed to have worked for me…. it is sending email. |
| 18:53.35 | Bogus8 | wwd: sweet |
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| 18:53.53 | wwd | i used a minimal install and i guess i didn't do it right the firs tgo |
| 18:53.56 | Bogus8 | I was banging my head against a wall with it and just wanted some thing simple that worked. |
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| 18:55.06 | wwd | now just need to figure out how to determine which physical disk is /dev/sdX when replicating a failure |
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| 18:55.41 | wwd | I'm thinking udevadmin query and finding the serial of the disk, but i can't figure out how to query udevadm about /dev/sdx when /dev/sdx is no longer existant |
| 18:55.49 | wwd | udevadm |
| 18:56.15 | karlpinc | wwd: You probably want /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 18:57.11 | wwd | karlpinc: if the disk is dead wouldn't it no longer be in that folder? |
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| 18:57.25 | wwd | lets say total failure of a drive |
| 18:57.38 | Bogus8 | wwd: I use hdparm and get the serial out of that. |
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| 18:58.19 | karlpinc | wwd: No, but you can diff for changes with something saved. Or just let mdadm email you, or maybe smartmontools. The latter will email for sure. |
| 18:58.21 | wwd | isn't that also contingent on the drive still being alive and able to be queried by the hadpark utility |
| 18:58.24 | wwd | hdparm |
| 18:58.41 | valdyn | wwd: the symlinks cant go away when the device is still in a raid |
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| 18:58.59 | valdyn | wwd: and the device is still in a raid when you dont actively remove it |
| 18:59.04 | valdyn | wwd: even if its broken |
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| 18:59.30 | karlpinc | wwd: Or configure /etc/rsyslogd to email you when it gets the right kind of message, or use swatch, etc., etc. Hard to say what's best. |
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| 18:59.47 | nsadmin | wwd, if total failure (meaning failure of every sector), of course not... so, if you do see the uuid, it must not be a total failure |
| 18:59.53 | valdyn | wwd: but I already told you that yesterday |
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| 19:01.06 | karlpinc | wwd: If you want mail when raid fails, you probably want mdadm. If you want raw disk monitoring, probably smartmontools. |
| 19:01.11 | wwd | valdyn: I'm a slow learner |
| 19:01.20 | pjc_ | hey guys |
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| 19:02.27 | Bogus8 | wwd: you could use process of elimination |
| 19:02.38 | nsadmin | wwd, or, a non learner, or too lazy to remember |
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| 19:04.12 | wwd | okay so i just physically pulled out a disk of the array |
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| 19:04.29 | nsadmin | Bogus8, but... but... that would take effort! |
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| 19:05.01 | pist0l-fish | hi all. i have installed dpkg (i'm not on a debian-based distro but want to test deb packages that i make) and i was wondering if i could set the install directory (e.g. /opt/dpkg) without having to use the --instdir flag every time i install (to prevent myself from messing up my system). any suggestions? |
| 19:05.26 | Bogus8 | nsadmin: Yeah, I'm not really paying attention to the entire conversation but from what I'm getting a glimpse of it seems to be the case. |
| 19:05.39 | benzeman | Hi! :) When I run dpkg --get-selections (on my raspberry pi :D), some packages are marked as deinstall. How do I clear them off the list (as they have been uninstalled using apt-get uninstall *)? Thanks! |
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| 19:05.48 | Bogus8 | I'll give one more tip. MAKE NOTES! |
| 19:06.10 | valdyn | benzeman: purge them |
| 19:06.24 | nsadmin | plays Jaco's solo on Portrait of Tracy |
| 19:06.31 | Bogus8 | I don't do this stuff often enough to remember everything (hense why I said Mailx instead of nullmailer)... BUT, I have notes that I referrenced and realized I gave you the wrong info... make notes1 |
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| 19:07.23 | benzeman | valgyn: do I have to purge each package manually, or am I missing something? |
| 19:07.53 | valdyn | benzeman: you have a computer, you dont need to do such things manually |
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| 19:08.05 | nsadmin | ok, so this is not quite as bad as I thought... not quite a KLB |
| 19:08.28 | dvs | klb? |
| 19:09.16 | benzeman | valdyn: how do I do it automatically - sorry I'm such a n00b! (normally use ubuntu - trying to learn shell - guess I've thrown myself in at the deep end!!) |
| 19:09.20 | valdyn | benzeman: theres no "apt-get uninstall" btw, I assume you meant "remove" |
| 19:09.24 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.39 | benzeman | valdyn: doh! yes, of course I do... *facepalm* |
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| 19:11.26 | valdyn | benzeman: I use something like " dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge " |
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| 19:11.36 | valdyn | benzeman: thats by far not elegant |
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| 19:13.17 | Midian | hello, anyone who has worked out how to get a l2tp/ipsec server working on debian (for ios and mac)? |
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| 19:14.51 | wwd | valdyn still not seeing how the /by-uuid is going to help me but the /by-id folder definitely has the links with serials of the disks in the name, where i could just do a process of elimination here |
| 19:15.22 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 19:15.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:16.45 | Midian | I've used this howto http://blog.bertelsen.co/2012/02/debian-squeeze-l2tpipsec-vpn-server.html but no luck |
| 19:17.03 | Midian | I dont get any messages to any log on the server side |
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| 19:21.21 | krion | fix your connection |
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| 19:23.45 | gorgelput | Hi guys, i am trying to find out a way to let my xchat stop sending my local username. I can't find it in the menu's |
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| 19:28.02 | bindi_ | I'm on debian 6.0.4, how can I install java JRE 7? |
| 19:28.28 | dvs | bindi_: ask Oracle |
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| 19:29.24 | abrotman | try to use java-package, which has to be backported to squeeze .. squeee! |
| 19:29.34 | dvs | sqe? |
| 19:30.09 | abrotman | delight |
| 19:30.09 | forestbird | funny, every update of synaptics on sid is like a surprise. mouse pointer faster, slower, two finger scrolling not working... etc. :) |
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| 19:32.14 | ompaul | forestbird: I hope you are passing back that info via the BTS when it fails so people know |
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| 19:32.55 | benzeman | valdyn: thank you! works perfectly - saved in notes :) (sorry I'm so late - It's only just finished purging them! lots of uninstalling...) |
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| 19:33.45 | forestbird | ompaul: well, the stuff that was before already has bugs open, and i'm not sure if a faster mouse pointer is a "bug" |
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| 19:34.13 | ompaul | it's a report of current working status, the fact that it is faster means the delta has had an impact |
| 19:34.48 | forestbird | usually people don't tweak the touchpad as fast as I do... so i'm probably one of the few that notices anything |
| 19:35.03 | Mogget | Hey guys. I need access to thunderbird 10.0.0.1 package. I remember somebody telling me how to get access to the iceweasel unstable packages and i remember seeing icedove/thunderbird packages there too. Anyone know where this is? |
| 19:35.08 | Mogget | sorry for the bad sentence. |
| 19:35.29 | forestbird | Mogget: on squeeze? |
| 19:35.35 | ompaul | forestbird: if it is not working correctly for you on wheezy and beyond ... well the BTS might be a bit late after release ;-) |
| 19:35.59 | Mogget | yeah. I have 10.0.0.1 installed on my worrk computer so I know it exist somewwhere, I just cannot find it again. |
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| 19:36.06 | Mogget | forestbird: * |
| 19:36.34 | forestbird | Mogget: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 19:36.48 | Mogget | forestbird: bingo. thank you. |
| 19:36.57 | Mogget | I'll bookmark it this time. |
| 19:37.06 | forestbird | Mogget: np |
| 19:37.46 | forestbird | i wonder... does debian have something going like PPA? |
| 19:38.12 | Mogget | I don't think so. I remember my friends saying they are missing it. |
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| 19:38.23 | forestbird | i think that would be a good thing for debian as a whole |
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| 19:38.45 | forestbird | to weed out the competition ;) |
| 19:39.07 | ompaul | forestbird: if it did it would be a bad idea, for a discussion on that subject I'll do it in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:39.32 | forestbird | ompaul: it's offtopic? |
| 19:39.32 | karlpinc | ppa? |
| 19:39.42 | karlpinc | forestbird: It's not support. |
| 19:40.12 | forestbird | but i need debian to support PPAs ;) |
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| 19:40.20 | ompaul | forestbird: you are now offtopic |
| 19:40.26 | benzeman | right, I'm off, thanks everyone for your help!!! :D |
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| 19:40.39 | forestbird | ok thanks, have a nice time |
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| 19:41.23 | karlpinc | !tell Mogget about overview |
| 19:41.44 | karlpinc | Mogget: (You might also read footnote1 of the wiki page.) |
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| 19:42.30 | Mogget | thank you karlpinc |
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| 19:42.42 | forestbird | karlpinc: oh, didn't know about emdebian. nice |
| 19:44.24 | Devastator_ | hi, I want to install squeeze on a computer, but first I need to make a full disk image, it's currently running Windows XP, can anyone recommend a tool to do so? |
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| 19:45.40 | Mogget | karlpinc: sorry for breaching the warranty that is not there. But I need it for work. |
| 19:45.45 | EagleScreen | Devastator_: I know partimage |
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| 19:46.21 | Devastator_ | EagleScreen, thanks! I'll take a look |
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| 19:46.53 | EagleScreen | Devastator_: you can also make an image with dd, but it will write also the unused disk space (all entire disk) |
| 19:47.05 | rainfyre | can anyone explaing the possible pros and cons of installing the 3.2-whatever kernel from testing into a squeeze install via backports? |
| 19:47.09 | rainfyre | *explain |
| 19:47.19 | rainfyre | Is this generally frowned upon? |
| 19:47.21 | karlpinc | Devastator_: You can boot from a live cd and use dd. YMNV. |
| 19:47.42 | Devastator_ | EagleScreen, true.. which will make a bigger image |
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| 19:48.02 | EagleScreen | rainfyre: it would only be useful if you have some hardware wich does not work at all or does not work property with your current kernel, because whe device drivers are in the kernel |
| 19:48.02 | ompaul | rainfyre: pro if your hardware needs it, if not work for nothing |
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| 19:48.30 | karlpinc | rainfyre: Backports is supported, so it should work. The question is why do it? What are you looking for that you don't have? |
| 19:48.37 | rainfyre | ok thank you both |
| 19:49.00 | rainfyre | karlpinc: software that requires a newer kernel to run |
| 19:49.15 | Devastator_ | karlpinc, unfortunately, disk doesn't have much free space to save its own backup, can I point to a usb external drive? |
| 19:49.15 | ompaul | rainfyre: not in stable |
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| 19:49.30 | rainfyre | ompaul: no, not in stable |
| 19:49.44 | ompaul | rainfyre: so your question contradicts your primary reason for asking |
| 19:50.01 | ompaul | more to the point your extension of your question etc |
| 19:50.16 | karlpinc | Devastator_: Sure. You can even compress it. You'll just need to undo whatever you did when putting it back. (Never hurts to test this before it's a critical issue.) |
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| 19:51.13 | Devastator_ | karlpinc, can you guess how much would be compressed in 30GB of data? |
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| 19:51.22 | karlpinc | Devastator_: dd if=/dev/whatever | gzip -c | dd of=/dev/other |
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| 19:51.49 | karlpinc | Devastator_: You can guess you'll get 2-to-1 compression, but of course it all varies widely. |
| 19:52.10 | karlpinc | Devastator_: Anything already compressed may actually expand. |
| 19:52.59 | Devastator_ | karlpinc: a compressed iso image would be perfect! |
| 19:53.13 | karlpinc | Devastator_: (As long as you're compressing it you may as well save it as a file.) |
| 19:53.32 | ElDiabolo_ | Is there a challenge response way to verify debian keyrings? |
| 19:53.42 | karlpinc | Devastator_: It won't mount compressed. (Surely there's a way to do it but that's a project.) |
| 19:54.02 | ompaul | ElDiabolo_: gpg and apt does it automagically |
| 19:54.12 | Devastator_ | karlpinc: just something i would move to another hd, then decompress and mount |
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| 19:54.35 | Devastator_ | karlpinc: like an iso inside a zip or rar |
| 19:54.40 | karlpinc | Devastator_: If you want a complete backup you copy the whole drive so you get the boot sector and everything is in the right place, etc. etc. |
| 19:54.47 | EagleScreen | Devastator_: try to use partimage, it will make a smaller image, but defrag the disk before if it is NTFS |
| 19:55.05 | karlpinc | Devastator_: I agree with EagleScreen. Use a tool instead of rolling your own. |
| 19:55.05 | ompaul | ElDiabolo_: challenge response is for logons so --- really no, however you could build something to do automatic checking of it when you get changed keys |
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| 19:56.41 | Devastator_ | karlpinc: alright! |
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| 19:57.44 | Devastator_ | karlpinc: Perhaps I can put two computers in a network to make the image |
| 19:57.47 | Devastator_ | let's see what happens.. |
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| 19:58.43 | valerius__ | hi ppl |
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| 20:00.05 | valerius__ | installed knetworkmanager, but it won't start -- says that it cannot find the dbus session server |
| 20:00.34 | valerius__ | what's it? DBUS is started... |
| 20:00.48 | valerius__ | what could be missing? |
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| 20:03.38 | EagleScreen | valerius__: DBUS is a daemon wich is started at boot-up, it is a way for applications to comunicate between them |
| 20:03.57 | valerius__ | EagleScreen, I know |
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| 20:04.57 | valerius__ | EagleScreen, but the network manager tries to communicate to something via dbus, and fails -- what is missing? |
| 20:04.59 | oles_ | hi |
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| 20:05.24 | rainfyre | ompaul: I don't understand what you mean. I'm running squeeze and want to put the 3.2 kernel into it, if possible |
| 20:05.26 | oles_ | i have no System > Administrarion> Language item, how can i fix it? |
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| 20:05.44 | oles_ | debian 6.0.3 |
| 20:05.58 | EagleScreen | valerius__: have you that issue in Debian stable? |
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| 20:06.21 | ompaul | rainfyre: you can, why don't you tell us exactly why in a very short and accurate line? |
| 20:06.24 | frikinz | valerius__: env | grep DBUS ? |
| 20:06.54 | martinex | is there possible to export settings, mails, calendar from Evolution 3.x.x to 2.32? |
| 20:06.57 | rainfyre | ompaul: no thanks |
| 20:07.43 | abrotman | martinex: you'd probably really want to ask the evolution people |
| 20:08.04 | abrotman | you're not likely to find an Evolution expert here |
| 20:08.18 | oles_ | i have no System > Administrarion> Language item, how can i fix it? |
| 20:08.57 | martinex | okay |
| 20:09.05 | martinex | I found their IRC |
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| 20:10.01 | EagleScreen | who has System-Administration -> Language item? |
| 20:10.48 | EagleScreen | oles_: using Gnome? want to change the system language? |
| 20:11.14 | oles_ | EagleScreen: yes |
| 20:11.20 | khaktoos | fuck Justin Bieber |
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| 20:12.11 | EagleScreen | oles_: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales", then select the languages you want to generate, after, select the default language, then re-login |
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| 20:13.27 | ompaul | khaktoos: I think you are in the wrong channel, this is #debian, for debian technical support. |
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| 20:15.09 | pickcoder | Bieber.. Debian... it's close... |
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| 20:15.43 | oles_ | EagleScreen: system language heve changed but there is no menu item appeared |
| 20:15.50 | rainfyre | heh |
| 20:16.42 | EagleScreen | oles_: well, I am not sure if that item exists in Debian |
| 20:16.44 | Devastator_ | Thanks guys |
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| 20:16.46 | Devastator_ | cya! |
| 20:17.38 | oles_ | EagleScreen: then how can i get a layout applet in upper bar? |
| 20:17.52 | oles_ | panel |
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| 20:18.05 | EagleScreen | keyboard settings? |
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| 20:18.42 | oles_ | yes |
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| 20:19.34 | oles_ | oh i found it finally |
| 20:19.44 | oles_ | thanks |
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| 20:25.04 | radiostar | a little offtopic but does anyone know of an implementation of the c11 standard? |
| 20:25.31 | Midian | so noone knows about l2tp/ipsec on debian? :( |
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| 20:26.59 | Bogus8 | This should be simple and I should know this... how do you make Samba access a directory that your user has access to via everyone or group permissions? The file is owned by a different user but it has r permissions for everyone. I created a symbolic link to the dir and I get access denied on windows. |
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| 20:31.42 | ElDiabolo_ | Does the lenny 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 kernel have the same udev as the one from squeeze? This would mean a dist upgrade is easy. |
| 20:32.35 | ompaul | ElDiabolo_: you really need a bit more |
| 20:32.45 | ompaul | !tell ElDiabolo_ about lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:33.45 | EdePopede | good morning. how to run skype with squeeze on amd64? seems i need lib32tinfo5 that doesnt exist for squeeze |
| 20:34.07 | gnarface | EdePopede: not made here |
| 20:34.17 | Dulak | Bogus8: you need execute perms on a dir to cd into it, so you want r-x on the dir for the group or other, depending on how you are slicing the permissions for access |
| 20:34.18 | pickcoder | ElDiabolo: I've been able to perform an "upgrade" without rebooting in the kernel immediately. I manually upgraded the packages I needed from squeeze until I scheduled time to take the machine down. |
| 20:34.33 | EdePopede | gnarface: that means? |
| 20:34.45 | gnarface | EdePopede: fuck if we know. ask microsoft. /me snorts |
| 20:34.52 | calrogman | EdePopede: I think it means use mumble isntead. |
| 20:35.04 | gnarface | calrogman: actually yea that's what i meant sorry |
| 20:35.08 | EdePopede | mumble? |
| 20:35.12 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, Yeah, but I don't need to care about, udev, right? Thx. |
| 20:35.27 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: the command line that "cares" is there |
| 20:35.31 | ompaul | if it matters |
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| 20:35.47 | gnarface | EdePopede: mumble is really nice alternative with an open source server (murmur i believe) and clients for osx and windows AND debian support |
| 20:36.01 | TheWarden | I feel stupid for asking this but how do I list the partitions of all devices along with mount point, file system type and capacity in GB? In the GUI I know I can use Disk Utility but I'm asking how this is done in the shell/console? |
| 20:36.08 | EdePopede | and i can talk to people that use skype? |
| 20:36.11 | warezwaldo | anyone know of a guide on how to securely setup a vps host machine with debian+openvz ? |
| 20:36.21 | TheWarden | I've tried playing with fdisk and sfdisk but thus far its not display all info |
| 20:36.23 | calrogman | No, and I was being sarcastic EdePopede. |
| 20:36.27 | ompaul | TheWarden: df -h is that what you want? |
| 20:36.28 | gnarface | TheWarden: df -h |
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| 20:36.54 | EdePopede | does mumble suck as much as ekiga does? |
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| 20:37.13 | calrogman | No EdePopede it's quite mature. |
| 20:37.14 | gnarface | EdePopede: never used ekiga (couldn't get it working) |
| 20:37.22 | EdePopede | unstable, doesnt realize disconnects, no cam support as it should be etc etc |
| 20:37.24 | TheWarden | well df does display most but doesn't mention the file system type. mmm |
| 20:37.39 | gnarface | EdePopede: just use the configuration wizard to set your volume levels and it should be good. |
| 20:37.52 | ompaul | TheWarden: and then use mount |
| 20:37.53 | gnarface | EdePopede: uh.. .mumble may be audio-only by design. |
| 20:38.08 | frikinz | TheWarden: di |
| 20:38.13 | Bogus8 | Dulak: got that... I can get into everything except the sym link that I created that points to a sub dir in another users home directory. But the dir and files all have read/exec like they should in the everyone catagory. |
| 20:38.13 | EdePopede | whatever i use, i have to connect to skype |
| 20:38.29 | gnarface | EdePopede: people do use ekiga for video chat but honestly i just use vlc and ssh tunnels. maybe that's cause i'm paranoid. maybe its because i'm hardcore. only a 5% chance that its because vlc is awesome |
| 20:38.30 | Bogus8 | Dulak: I even added myself to that users default group to see if that would help. |
| 20:38.31 | EdePopede | and i've been told HERE before, obnly skype does that |
| 20:38.34 | ElDiabolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.53 | ompaul | EdePopede: report a bug to skype they build it |
| 20:39.07 | EdePopede | i kicked vlc in favor of mplayer. waited for 1.0 so long and then it was unstable :/ |
| 20:39.09 | frikinz | I use skype. wonder how many security bugs there are in this version. |
| 20:39.14 | gnarface | EdePopede: as far as i know that's right. but there's a problem with skype - its shitty and poorly supported (i know this is like me telling you the emperor has no clothes) |
| 20:39.16 | EdePopede | ompaul: what bug? |
| 20:39.36 | ompaul | EdePopede: that it does not exist for debian squeeze 32 or 64 bit |
| 20:39.40 | TheWarden | ompaul: well mount is to actually mount a device/partition. I just want to see a list of current configuration of partitions with the file system type |
| 20:39.42 | EdePopede | they don't have to support, it is queite spread i think, so enough users... |
| 20:39.46 | calrogman | EdePopede: If you wanna be strictly accurate, anything using the Skype API can, but to use the Skype API you need Skype running in the background anyway, so what the point of developing an API was in the first place, I'm not sure... |
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| 20:40.18 | frikinz | TheWarden: di |
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| 20:40.27 | EdePopede | calrogman: that's what i remember, no skypeing without actually running skype |
| 20:40.29 | TheWarden | frikinz: ahh is this a standard command? I don't seem to have it. I must have to install a package I guess. |
| 20:40.38 | frikinz | yes di :) |
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| 20:41.54 | ompaul | frikinz: you might say apt-get install di ;-) |
| 20:41.56 | Dulak | Bogus8: not sure man, it should work if the perms are correct, you might not have execute perms on a higher level dir, like /home/username |
| 20:41.57 | ompaul | ,versions di |
| 20:41.59 | judd | Package: di on i386 -- lenny: 4.13.dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 4.18-1; sid: 4.30-1; wheezy: 4.30-1 |
| 20:42.03 | Midian | ios vpn anybody? |
| 20:42.15 | TheWarden | frikinz: thanks |
| 20:42.19 | Bogus8 | Dulak: I'll look into it |
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| 20:45.11 | Bogus8 | Dulak: nope... here is another example that maybe can relate more... for testing purposes, I create an sym link to etc. ln -s /etc/ /my_samba_share/linked_etc Then when I got to my_samba_share I see the "linked_etc" dir but I can't access it. |
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| 20:47.11 | gnarface | EdePopede: i still use both actually vlc and mplayer. mplayer does a couple things really nicely (old hauppage pvr hm12 video format support or whatever, namely) |
| 20:47.49 | Dulak | Bogus8: No idea, perhaps you have follow symlinks = no somewhere in the samba config? You might try 'follow symlinks = yes' explicitly on one of your shares to test that |
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| 20:48.15 | Bogus8 | Dulak: nope, I use sym links for other stuff inside my own dirs just fine. |
| 20:48.27 | Dulak | Bogus8: also the 'wide links = yes' option to allow it to follow links outside the shared dir |
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| 20:48.52 | Bogus8 | Dulak: where is that? I need to look at that option |
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| 20:49.19 | Dulak | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch08.html |
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| 20:50.38 | Circuitsoft_ | Hello - I'm having some strange issues with Radeon/KMS. |
| 20:50.39 | Bogus8 | Dulak: ah... something that has to be set... nope, never set anything like that... my config is pretty vanilla |
| 20:50.59 | Circuitsoft_ | I have my console running at the correct resolution, but the X "radeon" driver pushes me up to a very high resolution. |
| 20:51.13 | Circuitsoft_ | 1600x1200 is not readable on a 7" LCD. |
| 20:51.30 | Dulak | Bogus8: by default wide links should be off, so following a symlink that points outside the share should be disabled unless you turn it on |
| 20:51.53 | Bogus8 | Dulak: I'll test it out, but that link you just pasted said "default = yes" |
| 20:52.07 | Dulak | Bogus8: actually scratch that it defaults to on |
| 20:52.23 | Bogus8 | Dulak: yeah... I'll try it anyway, don't hurt. |
| 20:53.03 | nvz | Bogus8: I bet you say that to all the girls :-P |
| 20:53.19 | Bogus8 | nvz: hey, whatever works. ;) |
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| 20:54.17 | Bogus8 | negative on the wide links... worth a shot <--- and nvz, that's what I say when they say no. ;) |
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| 20:55.26 | _ramok | hi |
| 20:55.34 | _ramok | is there a way to install node.js to debian squeeze? |
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| 21:09.04 | moty66 | how can I install/downgrade a package installed by apt-get |
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| 21:10.12 | nvz | moty66: there is no downgrade.. perhaps if you were more specific we may be able to figure something out |
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| 21:12.35 | moty66 | nvz: i don't really have a specific question about a package, but I wanted to know if it was possible to install a previous version of php5 as example |
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| 21:13.18 | nvz | moty66: sure, I for example still use gqview from lenny because it was replaced by geeqie and I hate it |
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| 21:13.49 | nvz | moty66: depending on the case though you may want to do such a thing in a chroot where you can always safely install something older or newer, and then run it via schroot or such |
| 21:14.24 | moty66 | !chroot |
| 21:14.25 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system |
| 21:14.28 | nvz | moty66: in most cases though something older can always be cleanly installed if the newer version is not installed as well without a chroot |
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| 21:15.37 | nvz | rarely do things have depends = they usaully say depends on >= so.. |
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| 21:16.58 | moty66 | nvx: thanks a lot, this is helpful for me |
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| 21:17.40 | Bogus8 | Dulak: Found the answer... for "wide links = yes" can only be used when "unix extensions = no" due to security concerns |
| 21:18.27 | Dulak | Bogus8: you got it working then? |
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| 21:18.40 | Bogus8 | Dulak: yes sir! Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:24.15 | hdb2 | if I need to compress a *huge* directory of documents to be moved somewhere else, what would be the best method? tar -cvf or is there something better suited for large directories? |
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| 21:25.04 | abrotman | hdb2: you didn't compress anything with that command |
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| 21:26.03 | Dulak | hdb2: I'd use rsync with the -z flag (compression) myself rather than tar for transferring things. You can restart an rsync and not have it start from the beginning again, which is nice for large dirs |
| 21:26.20 | hdb2 | Dulak: cool, I'll read up on rsync |
| 21:27.01 | hdb2 | abrotman: sorry, tar -cvzf filename.tar.gz dirtocompress/ |
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| 21:27.31 | Bogus8 | hdb2: I use rsync as well. |
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| 21:28.09 | Bogus8 | Dulak: right now I -cvzf the directory THEN rsync it over (forgoing the compression at that point obviously) |
| 21:29.14 | Dulak | To each their own, I skip the front-loaded and back-loaded compression and let rsync do it in transit myself. |
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| 21:32.27 | Bogus8 | Dulak: I guess I could have stated, mine is for off site backup purposes. |
| 21:32.48 | Bogus8 | Dulak: I was also just wondering if there was a flaw in my method that I hadn't recognized before. |
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| 21:34.38 | Dulak | Bogus8: yeah if you aren't wanting it uncompressed on the other side of the transfer doing the tar then rsync makes sense. I thought he wanted it uncompressed after the transfer though. |
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| 21:36.08 | Bogus8 | Dulak: He probably does... as I stated, I was just getting your thoughts on my method. |
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| 21:37.32 | hdb2 | Dulak: well, I guess at some point it has to be uncompressed to be useful, so my answer to that would be yes. |
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| 21:57.30 | moty66 | how can I send the results of "find /home/user/exchange -mtime +120 -ls" by email everyday? |
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| 21:58.21 | moty66 | in crontab i added "0 0 * * * find /home/user/exchange -mtime +120 -ls" |
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| 22:01.15 | moty66 | which args I have to use for | mail mail@example.com |
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| 22:06.55 | roboman2444 | so... my desktop gets stuck at booting at "starting mta" |
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| 22:12.49 | rudi_s | roboman2444: Does waiting help? IIRC it's just a timeout. |
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| 22:16.14 | gnarface | roboman2444: usually just dns/network timeout. give it 60 seconds it'll give up and the system will complete booting and then you can fix your hosts file |
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| 22:17.25 | nyk2005 | How can I configure lighthttpd to execute a cgi-bin script for a specifc virtual-host? |
| 22:17.36 | Amnesia | question, is there a apt-get flag that does the same as: "aptitude why" |
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| 22:18.43 | phogg | Amnesia: it would be an apt-cache switch, if anything |
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| 22:20.00 | Amnesia | hm |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | Amnesia: what's wrong with using aptitude ? |
| 22:20.35 | Amnesia | nothing, I'm just used to using apt-get :) |
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| 22:24.46 | rawburtW | I've created a bond0 interface, based on the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding however I cannot access the machine remotely until I locally produce network traffic or run a tcpdump... any thoughts? |
| 22:24.54 | Amnesia | don't think it's available. |
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| 22:26.23 | Amnesia | there has to be some other way to see if "packet x" is a dependency |
| 22:26.48 | rawburtW | I'm not completely following... |
| 22:27.08 | Diopter | rawburtW: Sounds like you've got an ARP cache timing out. Which means you're probably using the wrong bonding mode. |
| 22:27.11 | rawburtW | the only difference I made from the guide is I'm using balance-rr and mode=0 |
| 22:27.26 | rawburtW | ok |
| 22:27.47 | roboman2444 | gnarface, and rudi_s yea, it appeared that for some reason my networking stuff wasnt working... fixed now |
| 22:27.48 | themill | Amnesia: try uninstalling it |
| 22:28.03 | rawburtW | two interfaces each to two different switches, both switches connected to the router... which bonding mode would be recommended? |
| 22:28.23 | rawburtW | both switches are also connected to each other, full trunks all around. |
| 22:28.28 | Amnesia | themill: hm yep, I know that's a possibillity, but is there an alternative? |
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| 22:29.22 | Diopter | rawburtW: Are the switches capable of LACP? |
| 22:29.29 | themill | Amnesia: you've already got two... why do you want more? Stop making work for people. |
| 22:29.34 | Diopter | rawburtW: Specifically, MLAG, given that you're spread across two |
| 22:29.42 | rawburtW | the switches aren't stacked, but I'm not well versed with LACP |
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| 22:29.58 | Diopter | Ok then |
| 22:30.48 | rawburtW | if they were stacked I was going to look to do LACP, or some other sort of channeling protocal. |
| 22:30.51 | rawburtW | protocol* |
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| 22:30.56 | Diopter | rawburtW: Is your router the gateway for all traffic in/out of this switch fabric? |
| 22:31.02 | rawburtW | yes |
| 22:31.18 | thethinker | hi anyone using wheezy? |
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| 22:31.47 | abrotman | thethinker: not a single person |
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| 22:32.00 | thethinker | lol |
| 22:32.05 | abrotman | yeah, funny |
| 22:32.07 | thethinker | i have debian 6.04 at |
| 22:32.11 | thethinker | the moment |
| 22:32.17 | Amnesia | themill: k thx:) |
| 22:32.25 | rawburtW | Squeeze |
| 22:32.30 | thethinker | but I'd like to format the partition and install wheezy |
| 22:32.42 | thethinker | but i have a question |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | so do it |
| 22:32.57 | abrotman | long winded way to get to a question |
| 22:33.05 | thethinker | basically with grub i can select windows 7 (that was the first os I installed ) and squeeze |
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| 22:33.18 | thethinker | if i format the partition during the installation of wheezy |
| 22:33.23 | thethinker | what have i to specify |
| 22:33.29 | Diopter | rawburtW: So you can't get traffic in until you produce traffic over the bond, or you run tcpdump |
| 22:33.30 | thethinker | /dev/sda for grub |
| 22:33.34 | thethinker | or sda1 etc.... |
| 22:33.36 | thethinker | i dunno |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | why odn't you just upgrade from squeeze to wheezy without reinstalling? |
| 22:33.51 | Diopter | rawburtW: I presume you're not adding -p to tcpdump, which means its putting the bonded interfaces into promiscuous mode |
| 22:34.02 | Diopter | rawburtW: Both of which indicate that you have an ARP issue. |
| 22:34.15 | thethinker | because my squeezy is messy. I installed bumblebee for optimus drivers and it keeps crashing |
| 22:34.19 | thethinker | squeeze |
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| 22:34.43 | thethinker | so I'd like to format the linux partition |
| 22:34.54 | Diopter | rawburtW: Have you analyzed what MAC address(es) the router thinks the traffic should go to by checking dest MACs in your promiscuous tcpdump? |
| 22:35.00 | rawburtW | Diopter: hold on, I did three tests that had consistent outcomes, but the fourth might have been "contaminated" (sp?)... going to try this again |
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| 22:35.18 | thethinker | how can I find how to set the right path for grub? Consider that I have win 7 and I have to install wheezy |
| 22:35.35 | thethinker | but I don't know if I have to choose /dev/sda during wheezy installation |
| 22:35.38 | thethinker | or another path |
| 22:35.41 | thethinker | any idea? |
| 22:35.42 | thethinker | ;) |
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| 22:36.18 | thethinker | is there a command for the terminal |
| 22:36.21 | thethinker | to check? |
| 22:37.33 | rawburtW | Diopter: no, just tcpdump -i bond0 |
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| 22:37.39 | rawburtW | Diopter: still rebooting for a fifth test |
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| 22:37.59 | Diopter | thethinker: If you want to install grub to dual-boot, so grub is your primary boot loader, then you'll want it on the MBR (assuming you're not using GPT/EFI) |
| 22:38.13 | rawburtW | Diopter: kept a constant ping going, picked up 6 pings right after reboot but now not responding |
| 22:38.18 | Diopter | thethinker: Which means you'll be telling it to install itself into /dev/sda, etc |
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| 22:38.34 | Diopter | rawburtW: Cool. So, do you get the traffic on tcpdump -i bond0 but not on tcpdump -pi bond0? |
| 22:39.03 | rawburtW | Diopter: not this time, this time after reboot it pinged a few times and then stopped... I haven't done that yet |
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| 22:39.19 | rawburtW | Diopter: but in the past I was doing -i, no -p |
| 22:39.41 | Diopter | rawburtW: I figured as much. And the "works for a bit then stops" indicates a cache expiring |
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| 22:39.51 | Diopter | rawburtW: Together, they almost guarantee an ARP issue/MAC mismatch |
| 22:40.03 | rawburtW | I have access to the router, I'll cehck the ARP table |
| 22:40.12 | Diopter | rawburtW: The way balance-rr works is that every frame sets the source MAC to the interface it exits |
| 22:40.16 | thethinker | Diopter pvt |
| 22:40.32 | rawburtW | Diopter: there is a ARP entry for the IP |
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| 22:40.45 | rawburtW | Age: 3 minutes |
| 22:40.45 | Diopter | rawburtW: Right. But just one. Which is one of the two MACs in the bond, presumably |
| 22:41.03 | Diopter | rawburtW: But which interface does that MAC match in the bond? |
| 22:41.26 | Diopter | rawburtW: You also might have a MAC address table issue, in your switches. Those timeout as well :P |
| 22:41.27 | rawburtW | 10.100.2.100 3 0022.19af.b5e9 ARPA Vlan2 |
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| 22:42.06 | rawburtW | that is the HWaddr of bond09 |
| 22:42.09 | Diopter | thethinker: I'd prefer to discuss things in the room here. I got your message though. And it doesn't matter which partition win7 is on, if you're not using GPT/EFI, you're still going to want to put GRUB in the MBR, which you'll be specifying by the device path itself, no partitions |
| 22:42.09 | rawburtW | err, bond0* |
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| 22:42.33 | Diopter | rawburtW: But the bond is assuming the MAC of only one of the interfaces in it. Technically, it should send frames from both MACs, alternating |
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| 22:42.35 | rawburtW | both slaves are also reporting the same MAC address |
| 22:42.45 | Diopter | Orly? Interesting, i didn't think balance-rr did that. |
| 22:43.02 | thethinker | so I have to write /dev/sda and it will be fine? |
| 22:43.10 | Diopter | thethinker: You're doing grub-install, right? |
| 22:43.48 | Diopter | rawburtW: So... then... in theory, the bond and ARP entries are working right. |
| 22:43.53 | rawburtW | now it's pingable again, didn't do anything but login from the DRAC and do an ifconfig -a |
| 22:44.01 | thethinker | yeah, basically now I will boot in the cd of wheezy and I will format the partition of squeeze and reinstall everything. Could you pls confirm that the new grub will overwrite the old one of squeeze? |
| 22:44.18 | Diopter | rawburtW: Perhaps you have a broadcast/spanning-tree issue in your switch fabric |
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| 22:44.38 | rawburtW | hmmm, should I turn off spanning-tree portfast for these ports? |
| 22:44.40 | Diopter | rawburtW: Where their MAC address tables are losing the paths to your box until they see a frame come out of it |
| 22:45.05 | rawburtW | I'm going to try disabling portfast. |
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| 22:45.18 | Diopter | Good question. Try it I suppose. |
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| 22:45.34 | Diopter | If you were going from no portfast To portfast, I'd tell you to be prepared for loops, but you're already there, so... :P |
| 22:46.00 | thethinker | any idea? |
| 22:46.13 | Diopter | thethinker: If you're formatting the root partition (or whatever partition contains /boot), and you write GRUB to the MBR (/dev/sda type path), then yes |
| 22:46.23 | Diopter | thethinker: That will overwrite the previous grub configuration and installation. |
| 22:46.33 | thethinker | ok thanks :) |
| 22:47.31 | rawburtW | Diopter: I know so little about the various system based NIC teaming protocols/methods... |
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| 22:48.09 | Diopter | rawburtW: They fall into two basic categories. Those that manipulate ARP/MACs, and those that don't really. |
| 22:48.42 | Diopter | rawburtW: balance-alb, for instance, will intercept ARP requests for each new remote host doing a WHOHAS, and alternate which MAC it responds with |
| 22:49.00 | Diopter | rawburtW: balance-rr apparently just picks the first interface to enter the bond and sets all bond interfaces to say they have that MAC |
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| 22:49.57 | rawburtW | I seem to have fixed it... |
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| 22:50.06 | rawburtW | with teh portfawst |
| 22:50.08 | Diopter | LACP does a lot of stuff, including link monitoring, client/server type coordination, hash-based transmit balancing, etc |
| 22:50.14 | Diopter | rawburtW: Excellent. Disabling was the solution? |
| 22:50.31 | moty66 | how can I print a new line with echo ? |
| 22:50.43 | Diopter | moty66: "echo" |
| 22:50.51 | rawburtW | I got distracted by the nagging girlfriend, but I'm going to retest... what I think happened was almost an immediate ICMP response after reboot... please hold |
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| 22:51.23 | moty66 | Diopter: echo "line \n line" |
| 22:51.36 | Diopter | moty66: Oh, you want a newline in the middle of a string. That's a smidge different. |
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| 22:51.48 | Diopter | moty66: echo -e "blah\nblah" |
| 22:51.58 | karlpinc | moty66: You might find printf(1) more portable. |
| 22:52.28 | moty66 | Diopter, karlpinc: thx |
| 22:52.32 | rawburtW | Diopter: rebooted, cleared arp-cache on the router during post, started ping, we'll see what happens. |
| 22:53.10 | Diopter | rawburtW: Yeehaw. I'm heading home from work now, but my ZNC scrollback will tell me of your glorious success. |
| 22:53.15 | Diopter | So good luck. Later |
| 22:53.20 | rawburtW | Diopter: thanks |
| 22:53.53 | rawburtW | ok, so it came around... |
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| 22:54.11 | rawburtW | Diopter: I'm going to PM flood you 7 lines. |
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| 22:54.58 | rawburtW | Diopter: never mind, don't know how to do it off hand in Irssi and don't care to pastebin it... but there were two ICMP dups, not surprising. |
| 22:54.58 | karlpinc | !tell rawburtW about paste |
| 22:55.14 | rawburtW | !tell karlpinc about being a newb |
| 22:55.15 | rawburtW | :D |
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| 22:56.35 | rawburtW | karlpinc: you should contribute to Freenode |
| 22:56.42 | rawburtW | just a few bucks |
| 22:57.19 | Orix | hey guys I have a question, after installing Debian Wheezy and attempting to boot into it the first time (just barebones installation) on the boot its giving me an error "SP5100 TCO timer: mmio address 0xbafe00 already in use". From google I've gathered this is something to do with my RAM and to blacklist something, but I'm really unsure of what. |
| 22:57.45 | rawburtW | Orix: weird |
| 22:58.18 | moty66 | how can I set the subject of sendmail message in this command "find . -mtime +500 -ls | sendmail -i -f from@example.com to@example.com" |
| 22:58.19 | rawburtW | Orix: however sometimes one must blacklist kernel modules... |
| 22:58.34 | rawburtW | moty66: man mail |
| 22:58.34 | Orix | Is there man / wiki page on the subject? |
| 22:59.06 | karlpinc | (echo Subject: foo ; echo ; find . -mtime +500 -ls) | ... |
| 22:59.19 | moty66 | rawburtW: with mail i can't send from address |
| 22:59.20 | rawburtW | fancy karlpinc |
| 22:59.35 | rawburtW | ok, I'm off |
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| 22:59.43 | nvz | cheers |
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| 22:59.49 | moty66 | karlpinc: ( ; ; ) is what i was looking form |
| 23:00.12 | karlpinc | moty66: { ... } is usually better than ( ... ) YMMV. |
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| 23:00.33 | moty66 | karlpinc: what is the difference? |
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| 23:00.47 | karlpinc | moty66: Whether fork(3) is called. |
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| 23:01.17 | karlpinc | moty66: (oops fork(2)) |
| 23:02.13 | Orix | if you can't boot into your debian, how do you blacklist a module? |
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| 23:02.52 | karlpinc | Orix: You need to boot another way, then edit the /etc/modules (iirc) file. |
| 23:03.25 | nkuttler | Orix: did you try booting into single user mode? |
| 23:03.38 | moty66 | karlpinc: so (...) and {...} are used to group command to | in bash ? |
| 23:03.41 | Orix | after my grub options it just shoots me straight into boot |
| 23:03.46 | nvz | Orix: there is this wonderful thing called a kernel command line |
| 23:04.13 | nkuttler | Orix: just go to the edit prompt in grub and add init=/bin/sh or somesuch |
| 23:04.20 | karlpinc | moty66: Yes, and to control exit status, etc. |
| 23:04.31 | nvz | or use all_generic or such |
| 23:05.25 | moty66 | karlpinc: before i join #debian I didn't know how to use file, now I just did exactly what I want |
| 23:05.30 | moty66 | fantastic |
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| 23:06.21 | karlpinc | moty66: There's also #bash. (And of course the man pages. That's my recommended mode of learning. "man less" to learn how to search the man page content, and "info info" for info pages. |
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| 23:06.41 | nvz | apropos |
| 23:07.03 | nvz | for when you don't have a f'n clue |
| 23:07.04 | karlpinc | nvz: Yah, and the apt toolkit. |
| 23:07.55 | karlpinc | nvz: For when the clue's not even in the county. |
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| 23:20.07 | rozz | Hello. I've had trouble trying to partition via command line before. I need to install Windows Vista next to my already existing Debian Stable partition. Could someone help me make a smaller~ 20 - 30 GB partition with ntfs or fat file type? |
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| 23:20.54 | rozz | I basically need to shave off 20-30 GB from my normal partition, but I need some helping figuring out how. |
| 23:21.15 | uiopqwer | i just dist-upgraded from squeeze to wheezy (and had to reinstall a bunch of drivers as a result). is gnome2 officially unsupported now? |
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| 23:21.43 | somiaj | rozz: is the partition you need to take the space off your root (or only) partition? |
| 23:22.10 | rozz | somiaj: Yes. I believe so. |
| 23:22.14 | somiaj | uiopqwer: gnome2 is unsupported upstream, it will be supported in squeeze, but in wheezy it is now gnome3 (or mostly gnome3, may be some transitional stuff still flowing around) |
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| 23:22.27 | somiaj | rozz: then you will have to do all this work from a live system (check out live.debian.net) |
| 23:22.51 | somiaj | rozz: with with gparted you should be able to resize your partition and file system on it (you jsut can't be running an os off it when you do hence the live system) |
| 23:22.57 | rozz | somiaj: I chose the default partitioning scheme when I installed debian. |
| 23:23.16 | somiaj | rozz: well if it is only your /home parition that you want to resize, you can just unmount it and resizt it without a live system |
| 23:23.32 | somiaj | rozz: in either case back up any data (this is dangerous and could loose your data) |
| 23:23.37 | rozz | somiaj: I can't quite remember what the default option was and I am unsure how to check. |
| 23:23.49 | somiaj | rozz: as for putting ntfs on the partion, do not do that, just leave a blank space or blank parittion and let the windows installer create the new file system |
| 23:23.53 | uiopqwer | somiaj: what a shame. :( i'll miss the simplicity of gnome2. i've tried xfce before, but it's too incomplete for my tastes. guess i'll give kde a try. ugh. i want to cry |
| 23:23.56 | somiaj | rozz: df -h should be nice |
| 23:24.14 | somiaj | uiopqwer: well then why are you upgrading to an testing distrubition with no security support? |
| 23:24.55 | somiaj | uiopqwer: squeeze + backports is what most people should use over wheezy (testing), but many don't take that advise and end up in yoru situation with a buggy moving target. (: |
| 23:24.59 | rozz | somiaj: Yes, the large portion of my space is mounted to / |
| 23:25.25 | rozz | somiaj: It would be okay to use my live Ubuntu 10.10 disk and then use gparted to make a partition, reboot with Windows CD, and go from there? |
| 23:25.37 | uiopqwer | somiaj: i needed some bleeding edge packages and was advised not to have a mixed system :) |
| 23:25.49 | abrotman | uiopqwer: i'd say to give gnome3 a try .. it's actually pretty good if you take the time to try it |
| 23:26.03 | dvs | yuck |
| 23:26.20 | uiopqwer | abrotman: i feel like my "workflow" is severely hampered now |
| 23:26.27 | somiaj | uiopqwer: that is why I said + backports. It is how you install one or two newer packages on the stable squeeze system |
| 23:26.31 | abrotman | uiopqwer: try it for a week .. not a day :) |
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| 23:27.13 | uiopqwer | somiaj: well, then oops. :P guess i can't go back too easily now, can i? |
| 23:27.13 | rozz | somiaj: Thanks, I'll try it. :) |
| 23:27.14 | bardzusny | somiaj: isn't testing 'recommended' for desktops? |
| 23:27.42 | somiaj | bardzusny: testing is not recommended for anything. It is a testing system to be tested by people who know how to debug debian and use the bts |
| 23:27.48 | uiopqwer | abrotman: all right. will do |
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| 23:27.59 | somiaj | rozz: yea any live image will do, not sure if the ubuntu one has all the tools you need, but go for it. |
| 23:28.12 | rozz | somiaj: Fantastic, thanks. |
| 23:28.25 | bardzusny | somiaj: I thought that's the definition for sid |
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| 23:28.39 | bardzusny | and for testing it was 'no guarantees, but nothing major should be broken' |
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| 23:29.21 | uiopqwer | how hard would it be to dist downgrade? |
| 23:29.27 | abrotman | downgrade not supported |
| 23:29.54 | uiopqwer | i see |
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| 23:30.56 | somiaj | bardzusny: unstable and testing are both part of the process. I prefer sid over testing myself. |
| 23:31.17 | uiopqwer | somiaj: are you a debian developer? :) |
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| 23:31.54 | somiaj | bardzusny: packages go into testing after a certain time of no grave bugs in sid. But I find testing has its own unique issues, and gets fixes far slower that sid since the fixes all have to filter though sid first |
| 23:32.05 | somiaj | uiopqwer: nope, I'm just a dabbler who uses debian on my desktop. |
| 23:32.11 | bardzusny | hmm, I never thought of it this way |
| 23:32.24 | karsten | What's the utility that speed-tests connections to various Debian package repos and selects the fastest one for you? |
| 23:32.26 | bardzusny | perhaps I'm just coming from pre-backports age |
| 23:33.25 | bardzusny | I use sid too, but before that it was testing...I always thought of it as perfectly acceptable for average desktop |
| 23:33.27 | somiaj | bardzusny: testing is less likely to have 'oh shit we just destoryed your partition table' in upgrades, but going to have slower fixes and there are a fair number of unknown package conflicts that didn't show up in the few weeks the package was in sid since it links against different versions in testing when it filters in. |
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| 23:33.51 | holycanoly | hi guys |
| 23:34.19 | boudiccas | holycanoly: sexist! :) |
| 23:34.22 | dokma | well... this is going to be really hard to explain... I have sda1 about 80G sda2 about 160G and sda3 for swap. I installed VirtualBox and booted it off of a netinstall CD to install new instance on sda2. the installed offered to setup LVM which I accepted but now I can see logical volumes only from within the VirtualBox. |
| 23:34.24 | bardzusny | who knows, maybe you're right |
| 23:34.43 | holycanoly | boudiccas: arr mateys! |
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| 23:34.54 | dvs | karsten: apt-spy? |
| 23:35.02 | dokma | I can't figure out where those lvs are and why I can see them only from VirtualBox but not from the host Debian instance? |
| 23:35.13 | somiaj | bardzusny: squeeze + backports works. testing/sid work great if you don't mind fixing it when it breaks. most of the bugs people encounter in either are fixable. (its actually been a long time since I've seen grave bugs take out systems, but just this january I saw the xorg api mess with lots of nvidia/ati users, and along with gnome 3 confliicts in wheezy make the system hard to use |
| 23:35.20 | holycanoly | i have a debian based mail server with postfix as the smtp relay. i am being spammed relentlously today, i have a suspiction they are relaying via one of the authenticated email accounts on a domain. does anyone have any tips on tracking down how they are relaying the spam run to the server? |
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| 23:35.48 | bardzusny | somiaj: yeah, xorg broke for several hours not so long ago |
| 23:35.58 | holycanoly | looks like they are spoofing an @blah.edu sender and i am getting all backscatter as a result |
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| 23:36.31 | bardzusny | and even better, some time before that udev got completely screwed up :) |
| 23:37.25 | somiaj | squeeze + backports is what you should use if you dont want to 'play with fixing things'. Nice thing about that is your base system is always stable so the only issue is getting this one piece of newer software to work with it. |
| 23:37.56 | somiaj | the bad thing about it, is if you want something not allready backported for you, you have to comiple your own debian package. though with '/msg dpkg ssbp' it isn't to difficult for some packages. |
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| 23:38.26 | bardzusny | Am I mistaken saying backports got 'official' quite recently? |
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| 23:39.20 | somiaj | they ahve been around since etch or maybe before |
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| 23:39.30 | somiaj | I belive lenny was the first time they became 'offical' as in debian.org provided them |
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| 23:39.55 | somiaj | but backports.org has been around since as far back as 2004 if not further. |
| 23:39.59 | somiaj | well that was where it started. |
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| 23:41.10 | bardzusny | september 2010 |
| 23:41.13 | uiopqwer | so in revision control terms: sid is your dev branch, testing is trunk, and stable is the RC? :) |
| 23:41.16 | bardzusny | I agree that's better solution |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | bardzusny: they were made official with squeeze .. |
| 23:42.32 | somiaj | ahh, so lenny-backports emerged with squeeze as well? |
| 23:43.02 | bardzusny | backports for oldstable, nice |
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| 23:43.24 | themill | bardzusny: well, oldstable doesn't exist at present |
| 23:44.05 | cantoma | hey guys, I have here a machine with lenny. Is it still possible to update the packages without having to upgrade to squeeze? I am asking this because the apt-get update is not finding the repositories. |
| 23:44.30 | bardzusny | cantoma: backports :p |
| 23:44.46 | boudiccas | cantoma: i'm not a guy but i'll still answer you. lenny repos have been mobed to teh archives |
| 23:44.58 | boudiccas | moved |
| 23:45.27 | somiaj | !tell cantoma -about lenny |
| 23:45.33 | cantoma | boudiccas, what should i place in my sources.list file for the system to find them? |
| 23:45.43 | somiaj | cantoma: archive.debian.org read that factoid from the bot |
| 23:45.58 | boudiccas | cantoma: no idea, what does th ebot say? |
| 23:46.05 | boudiccas | the bot |
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| 23:46.40 | bardzusny | are you sure about lenny being moved to archives? I still see it on 'regular' debian.org... |
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| 23:46.53 | cantoma | boudiccas, the bot says that I should upgrade to squeeze |
| 23:47.07 | themill | bardzusny: /topic |
| 23:47.09 | cantoma | boudiccas, but i already said that that is out of question |
| 23:47.26 | bardzusny | oh |
| 23:47.27 | xispirito | sorry, but...why stay in Lenny? |
| 23:47.27 | boudiccas | cantoma: ok, what are you waiting for then? :) sounds sensible advice given that lenny has been EOL'd |
| 23:47.37 | themill | cantoma: what packages are you wanting to "update" and in what way? |
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| 23:47.39 | somiaj | cantoma: "ask me about lenny sources.list" |
| 23:47.46 | somiaj | !tell cantoma about lenny sources.list |
| 23:48.24 | cantoma | xispirito, it might bring unnecessary disruptions |
| 23:48.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are the security updates included on the CD/DVD/BD images? |
| 23:48.40 | abrotman | the ones that were done before the CDs created, yes |
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| 23:48.58 | themill | cantoma: getting unwelcome visitors because you don't have security support will bring even more unnecessary disruption |
| 23:48.58 | cantoma | themill, thanks |
| 23:48.58 | somiaj | LinuxGuy2009: the ones upto the point release the image you have is from |
| 23:49.08 | karsten | dvs: thanks. |
| 23:49.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok cool I figured. |
| 23:49.19 | somiaj | LinuxGuy2009: so 6.0.4 contains all the security (and other updates) as of its release. There ahve been more security fixes since then |
| 23:49.20 | dvs | karsten: np |
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| 23:49.29 | cantoma | themill, well after measuring the pro and cos i think its better to stick to it for now. |
| 23:49.40 | karsten | abrotman: Not good enough. We want the updates done *after* the CDs were made. |
| 23:49.56 | themill | cantoma: if this is a publicly accessibly box, that's really not a viable plan. |
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| 23:51.08 | cantoma | themill, well even with squeeze in another machine i had to downgrade many packages because of some issues with compatibility related to stuff being done |
| 23:51.28 | themill | cantoma: sounds like you've got lots of things to fix then |
| 23:51.35 | cantoma | themill, knowing that i had to do that to this machine .. to me .. it will waste my time now |
| 23:52.14 | cantoma | themill, after i finish my Phd in 4- 5 months i will format this and put whatever is more stable .. until then i don't want to waste time with upgrades |
| 23:52.32 | themill | you've had 14 months to upgrade... |
| 23:53.05 | cantoma | themill, i am usually very slow on those stuff |
| 23:53.14 | themill | (which makes "I'm too busy right now" a pretty poor argument) |
| 23:53.20 | cantoma | themill, i do apt-get update once a year |
| 23:53.29 | dvs | O_O |
| 23:53.41 | themill | cantoma: please tell me these boxes are not on public networks. |
| 23:53.48 | boudiccas | cantoma: boy, have you got a crappy setup there then! |
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| 23:53.54 | cantoma | themill, i am not sure what is public network |
| 23:54.01 | themill | boudiccas: stop assuming he's a boy. |
| 23:54.20 | cantoma | boudiccas, well it works |
| 23:54.28 | dvs | boudiccas: "boy" is just meant as an expression in that case |
| 23:54.34 | boudiccas | themill: true! :) hoist with my own petard! |
| 23:54.59 | themill | cantoma: can any other machine reach them? can they get cracked and start flooding the rest of us with spam? |
| 23:55.17 | cantoma | themill, you mean my hard drive |
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| 23:55.45 | cantoma | themill, well its behind a university firewall |
| 23:55.51 | cantoma | themill, but i am not sure |
| 23:56.09 | cantoma | themill, i haven't experience anyone trying to read whatever from my system |
| 23:56.15 | themill | so the answer is "yes", your machines can turn into spam spewing zombies. I hope you are proud. |
| 23:56.42 | cantoma | themill, well as long my work can go on i will be proud |
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| 23:57.03 | themill | :( |
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| 23:58.15 | docbop | Setting up a pxeboot server for to install whezzy and can't find a pxelinux.0 for whezzy. Will any recent version of pxelinux.0 work? |
| 23:58.20 | cantoma | themill, but do you think it can happen even behind a uni firewall? |
| 23:59.16 | themill | cantoma: I've seen it happen many times. You have how many thousand machines within this firewall... a perimeter firewall like that is utterly useless. |
