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| 00:00.05 | cantoma | themill, i know that i cannot access my machine from outside |
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| 00:02.15 | xispirito | cantoma, these machine that you want to maintain Lenny is a desktop? |
| 00:02.23 | cantoma | xispirito, yes |
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| 00:06.08 | cantoma | xispirito, its just an old machine in the corner of a lab with a lot of octave twiking and many scripts that run bash commands but don't have the #!/bin/bash on top. |
| 00:06.16 | boudiccas | cantoma: do you have backups of all your work, and your /home directory? |
| 00:06.35 | cantoma | boudiccas, yes I have a 1.5TB here external |
| 00:06.48 | xispirito | bash scripts without headres, lol |
| 00:06.54 | xispirito | #headers |
| 00:07.02 | boudiccas | cantoma: and is this backup updated regulalrly, like every 3 hours or so? |
| 00:07.25 | cantoma | xispirito, i know that lenny runs bash by default but squeeze will run something else by default |
| 00:07.50 | cantoma | boudiccas, well i do a backup every 3 months or so depends |
| 00:08.09 | boudiccas | sheesh! you're just asking for trouble! |
| 00:08.30 | abrotman | cantoma: not by default .. If you upgrade, it will give oyu the option of linking /bin/sh to bash or dash |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | and you can always change it later |
| 00:08.57 | cantoma | abrotman, ok thank for letting me know that |
| 00:09.15 | cantoma | abramart, i remember that my bash scripts were not working in another computer with squeeze |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | cantoma: it does not change the ability to run bash .. it just changes the symlnk for /bin/sh |
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| 00:10.02 | abrotman | and your scripts can alwyas specify /bin/bash in the shebang instead of /bin/sh |
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| 00:10.19 | cantoma | abrotman, well they are loads of them |
| 00:10.44 | cantoma | abrotman, i guess that adding archive to sources.list now avoids all that .. for now |
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| 00:11.17 | simplew | whats the latest relese on DVD (that includes latest gnome and latest kde-4.8.2) ? |
| 00:11.20 | cantoma | its updating 300 packages its doing its job now |
| 00:12.01 | boudiccas | cantoma: thats because of you're system of updating only once a year! sheesh! |
| 00:12.03 | xispirito | i don't have backups, i just have a saparated partition, all my files are there, so, o make simbolic links, confs, files...all =D |
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| 00:13.13 | boudiccas | xispirito: what happens if you're hard drive gets faults and dies on you? you're stuffed! |
| 00:13.30 | cantoma | boudiccas, well i have a backup |
| 00:13.37 | xispirito | yes |
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| 00:14.02 | cantoma | boudiccas, many people that i know they don't even have that |
| 00:14.12 | boudiccas | cantoma: but 3 months out of date! :( |
| 00:14.23 | simplew | whats the latest relese on DVD (that includes latest gnome and latest kde-4.8.2) ? |
| 00:14.28 | xispirito | later, tomorrow i think, i want to buy another hard driver, put on usb case and do a rsync |
| 00:14.43 | cantoma | boudiccas, in 3 months i can only write one paper |
| 00:14.52 | cantoma | boudiccas, its not a lot of stuff |
| 00:14.54 | simplew | xispirito: podes esclarecer? |
| 00:15.14 | boudiccas | xispirito: if you buy an external usb h/d you can backup regularly with rsync to it, easy peasy! |
| 00:15.30 | xispirito | boudiccas, that's it |
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| 00:15.44 | xispirito | simplew, backup em hd usb |
| 00:15.48 | xispirito | com rsync |
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| 00:15.59 | karsten | cantoma: too critical to upgrade. Not critical enough to back up. Yeah. |
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| 00:16.11 | simplew | xispirito: nao foi isso q perguntei |
| 00:16.33 | cantoma | karsten, he wanted me to backup every 3 hours |
| 00:16.35 | xispirito | simplew, podes esclarecer? =D |
| 00:16.50 | simplew | xispirito: em relaƧao ao q tinha perguntado |
| 00:16.58 | abrotman | english |
| 00:17.04 | boudiccas | cantoma: who is 'he'? |
| 00:17.06 | xispirito | sorry |
| 00:17.07 | jellow | hey there I think my video drivers are not properly setup I only get 60 fps and 300 frames with glxgears , How can I confirm this? |
| 00:17.09 | cantoma | boudiccas, you |
| 00:17.30 | boudiccas | cantoma: well you're wrong, i'm female, and proud of it too :) |
| 00:17.32 | karsten | cantoma: That's trivial with a cron'd rsync. |
| 00:17.38 | cantoma | loooool |
| 00:17.40 | karsten | cantoma: ... and fast. And a damned good idea. |
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| 00:19.31 | boudiccas | cantoma: this machine is just my home machine with domestic stuff on it, but its backed up every three hours, thats how important my data is to me! |
| 00:19.37 | karsten | Um. Has something taken the place of apt-proxy? |
| 00:19.49 | abrotman | karsten: i like approx |
| 00:19.56 | simplew | theres no debian release with kde-4.8.2? |
| 00:20.04 | abrotman | simplew: probably not |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 00:20.13 | judd | Package: kdelibs on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 00:20.24 | simplew | abrotman: whats the latest kde version released in debian? |
| 00:20.32 | craigevil | sid only has kde 4.7.4 |
| 00:20.33 | boudiccas | cantoma: setting up a rysnc backup with cron is simple and easily done. i've documented it all on my blog, just to remind me in the future |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | judd: versions kdelibs-bin |
| 00:20.45 | judd | Package: kdelibs-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2+squeeze3; sid: 4:4.7.4-4; wheezy: 4:4.7.4-4 |
| 00:20.47 | cantoma | boudiccas, I understand its a good approach |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | simplew: squeeze has 4.4.5 |
| 00:21.07 | cantoma | boudiccas, i could have a look at your blog maybe i could learn how to do it |
| 00:21.08 | simplew | abrotman: and testing? |
| 00:21.18 | abrotman | simplew: that's not been released yet |
| 00:21.31 | simplew | i see dvd testing to download |
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| 00:21.46 | abrotman | there's a huge waste of bandwidth .. |
| 00:21.47 | karsten | So: approx, apt-cacher? Anything else? |
| 00:21.53 | boudiccas | cantoma: http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html |
| 00:21.56 | karsten | hates getting old. |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | karsten: apt-cacher-ng ? |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | karsten: approx was pretty easy honestly .. |
| 00:22.27 | karsten | abrotman: I was hoping you were kidding about that. |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | was not! |
| 00:22.42 | karsten | Yeah, so I discovered. |
| 00:23.12 | karsten | Use case: we're managing numerous systems via chef on AWS, and are looking to cache debs if possible. |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | right, i used approx with a few dozen systems, multiple arch, multiple releases |
| 00:24.02 | simplew | abrotman: what? |
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| 00:24.07 | abrotman | simplew: who? |
| 00:24.33 | simplew | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 00:24.43 | simplew | abrotman: this guy |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | simplew: do you know how long it takes those DVD images to be out of date? |
| 00:24.51 | cantoma | boudiccas, looks interesting |
| 00:25.00 | gnarface | karsten: apt-cacher-ng is really easy to set up |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman | gnarface: approx! |
| 00:25.20 | boudiccas | cantoma: thank you |
| 00:25.57 | gnarface | abrotman: approx seemed more complex to me... i didn't need the extra functionality. |
| 00:25.58 | simplew | abrotman: abrotmanare these recent builds ? |
| 00:26.00 | craigevil | simplew, just use the netinstall , no need to download dvds |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | simplew: they're out of date in less than 12hrs |
| 00:26.15 | simplew | craigevil: i prefer, to have it in a pen |
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| 00:26.20 | abrotman | simplew: use the netinst .. don't use the DVD |
| 00:26.33 | simplew | i dont have a good bandwith |
| 00:26.41 | abrotman | but you have enough bandwidth to download a DVD ? |
| 00:26.48 | abrotman | 4.7GB of packages you may or may not use |
| 00:26.55 | simplew | it takes about a day |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | use the netinst .. don't be silly |
| 00:27.26 | simplew | that way ill have the machine stuck for more than a day |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | your logic is .. illogical |
| 00:27.46 | simplew | not is |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 00:28.09 | abrotman | yoda make sense not |
| 00:28.14 | simplew | that way i could have my machine runing and the download running |
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| 00:28.29 | abrotman | downloading GBs of packages you won't use .. great plan |
| 00:28.54 | simplew | abrotman: can you tell me whats in the testing dvd? |
| 00:29.05 | karsten | abrotman: Cool. I'm just trying to get a sense of what the landscape is. Last time I needed something like this, apt-proxy was it. That went out with lenny AFAICT. |
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| 00:29.19 | abrotman | simplew: you should know .. you're downloading it |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | simplew: we're telling you not to .. but you don't care .. good luck! |
| 00:29.39 | simplew | the download not started |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | karsten: heh .. pretty much .. |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | karsten: approx really was easy for me .. |
| 00:30.03 | simplew | abrotman: you stuborn |
| 00:30.15 | simplew | can anyone please help me? |
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| 00:30.27 | abrotman | we did try to help .. you don't care what we say |
| 00:30.34 | boudiccas | simplew: whats the problem? |
| 00:30.48 | simplew | i already explain that way will stuch the machine for more than a day! |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | simplew: use the netinst .. it's really the most efficient use of bandwidth |
| 00:31.31 | Necrosporus | How do I remove a package without removing others, but doesn't making apt care about unmet dependancy? |
| 00:31.31 | simplew | for who has a good bandwidth |
| 00:31.31 | dvs | simplew: The netinst will only download the stuff you want, nothing more. |
| 00:31.37 | gnarface | abrotman: he just doesn't want to shut off his fucking bittorrent server during a 2-day debian install so he's trying to save downtime time by downloading all of debian in windows |
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| 00:31.43 | obiwahn | has debian still no usb image? |
| 00:31.47 | Necrosporus | I mean, is it possible to make apt forget about specific dependency? |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | obiwahn: use the netinst, it can go on a USB drive for install |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | Necrosporus: could you be more specific |
| 00:32.13 | simplew | dvs: but that way i wil not be able to keep the stuff to install in another machine or to keep if i decide to do a new fresh install |
| 00:32.17 | obiwahn | ah nice |
| 00:32.33 | Necrosporus | I have a meta package, which depends on whole set of packages |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | !tell Necrosporus about unmarkauto |
| 00:32.44 | obiwahn | it is all in /var/cache/apt |
| 00:33.30 | Necrosporus | It's not quite what I'm asking for |
| 00:33.38 | simplew | is that hard to tell me whats in the testing dvd? |
| 00:33.54 | Necrosporus | I want to remove some package, but keep metapackage installed |
| 00:34.14 | dvs | simplew: The testing DVD changes weekly or daily |
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| 00:34.35 | Necrosporus | But keeping ability to install other stuff without messages about unmet deps |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | Necrosporus: did you try without recommends ? |
| 00:34.54 | metabsd | Debian support kernel 3.X ? |
| 00:35.27 | simplew | ok i am downloading the dvd |
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| 00:35.47 | simplew | my download speed doesnt go through 1,00 MB/sec |
| 00:35.49 | craigevil | metabsd, yes, 3.2 is in backports |
| 00:36.20 | Necrosporus | abrotman, isn't there something I asking for? More specifically I have a meego bade phone and want to remove some "system" applications like skype and facebook, but keeping metapackage which should be used to update the device |
| 00:36.39 | Necrosporus | * based |
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| 00:37.00 | dvs | simplew: So that's what? 15 hours? |
| 00:37.09 | craigevil | simplew, better than my crappy wireless I'm lucky if its above 90kbs, only took an hour to install debian with kde |
| 00:37.40 | simplew | it will take more 57 minutes to finish the download |
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| 00:38.57 | metabsd | craigevil: The upgrade from 2.6 to 3.X is support ? apt-get update ?? |
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| 00:39.11 | fairpays | hi |
| 00:39.15 | metabsd | im using Debian 6 |
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| 00:40.08 | craigevil | metabsd, install it from backports |
| 00:40.09 | fairpays | i got problem with cron. i want it to do a .sh script bi-weekly at 3:00, "0 3 * * 0,4" - is it ok? |
| 00:40.09 | simplew | the default na debian is kde? |
| 00:40.56 | dvs | simplew: it's Gnome 2 |
| 00:41.36 | metabsd | craigevil: ok i go read the doc about backports ;) im using debian in 2003 now im using Redhat (Compagny need) |
| 00:41.42 | simplew | whats the repository i need to add to install latest kde-4.8.2? |
| 00:41.48 | metabsd | learning time :) have a nice day! |
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| 00:42.04 | craigevil | simplew, there isn't one |
| 00:42.20 | dvs | 4.7.4 is the best you'll get now |
| 00:42.36 | simplew | craigevil: isnt there a development repository? |
| 00:42.46 | abrotman | Necrosporus: those apps aren't in Debian ? |
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| 00:45.28 | Diopter | saver on |
| 00:45.34 | Diopter | lolz, wrong window. |
| 00:45.46 | craigevil | simplew, debian unstable, which also only has kde 4.7.4, if there was a 3rd party repos with newer kde it would be in my Giant sources.list and its not |
| 00:45.55 | simplew | dvs: what?? there isnt a repository with a recent kde version like 4.8.2 ??? |
| 00:46.10 | simplew | ok the download its canceled |
| 00:46.23 | dvs | simplew: Not for Debian. |
| 00:46.33 | simplew | debian install not |
| 00:46.55 | gnarface | !sns |
| 00:46.55 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | simplew: so please go use another distro, good luck! |
| 00:47.19 | simplew | abrotman: yes thanks |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | bye! |
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| 00:47.31 | craigevil | gnarface, in the case of kde newer versions tend to fix quite a few issues |
| 00:47.39 | simplew | abrotman: but now what distro should choose i? |
| 00:48.00 | gnarface | craigevil: they still never fixed my primary issue with it which is that it looks like some bastard knockoff of windows |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | simplew: ask ##linux or #kde .. no idea |
| 00:48.17 | simplew | abrotman: i am not away |
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| 00:48.43 | simplew | abrotman: i love you long time |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | simplew: bye! |
| 00:48.57 | simplew | lol |
| 00:49.31 | OzoneNerd | Hello #debian. I have an Inspiron 17R N7010 and recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian and have experienced a big issue with overheating/forced shutdowns. Dust is not the problem. I suspect that the issue is that ACPI (acpi -t) is consistently reporting the temperatures to be at 26.8 C (this is showing up as 27 C elsewhere), although the HDD temp is increasing as it should, thus the fans are never kicked up to high when the CPU is in use ... |
| 00:49.37 | OzoneNerd | ... (it doesn't take much to cause an issue). Any potential fixes/workarounds/ideas? i8k is giving sporadic, impossible results ... and also causes major system crashes, so I think the SMM approach isn't any better. |
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| 00:50.40 | boudiccas | OzoneNerd: you mifght try asking in ##hardware too |
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| 00:50.47 | gnarface | my face when kde 4.8.2 will be in debian before simplew's 90kbps download of the whole debian DVD set would have finished: :-| |
| 00:51.04 | abrotman | OzoneNerd: you have the acpid installed also ? |
| 00:51.42 | simplew | gnarface: canceled download |
| 00:52.15 | Diopter | I'm not sure, but is cancelled slower than 90kbps? |
| 00:52.17 | OzoneNerd | abrotman: I believe so. Why? |
| 00:52.37 | gnarface | simplew: and nothing of value was lost! |
| 00:52.41 | jellow | Hi there I have an intergrated sandy bridge Graphics controller along with the i915 driver , When I disable KMS I get far better fps 600-700 (glxgears) though with it on I get 60fps though it messes up my screen resolution. how can I have fast fps and proper screen resolution ? |
| 00:52.46 | gnarface | simplew: you probably want gentoo |
| 00:52.52 | simplew | gnarface: no no |
| 00:52.57 | Diopter | Or Arch |
| 00:53.02 | Diopter | If you don't like compiling constantly |
| 00:53.09 | simplew | that would be like gentoo, no |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | OzoneNerd: it's a useful program |
| 00:53.28 | Diopter | Not really. At all. |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | OzoneNerd: also, what is uname -r ? |
| 00:53.32 | simplew | i like packages long time |
| 00:53.39 | gnarface | hey if you want to be on the bleeding edge, you gotta expect to get cut now and then |
| 00:53.43 | OzoneNerd | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 00:54.15 | abrotman | OzoneNerd: is the laptop fairly new ? |
| 00:54.35 | OzoneNerd | Bought about twenty months ago, abrotman. |
| 00:54.48 | simplew | face gnar to get cut? |
| 00:54.56 | simplew | gnarface: to get cut? |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | OzoneNerd: /msg dpkg bpo .. try the backports kernel there, it's a 3.2.x kernel |
| 00:56.39 | gnarface | simplew: what i'm trying to tell you is that your expectations are unrealistic. you want the very latest version of everything, but you want all of it to also work flawlessly with little or no effort on your own part. 1) good, 2) fast 3) cheap. you can only have 2 of the three. |
| 00:56.42 | simplew | you say that there is a kernel-3.2.x in backports, and is there what version kde? |
| 00:57.16 | dvs | simplew: If sid has 4.7.4, it won't be newer than that. |
| 00:57.16 | Diopter | gnarface: Well said, and so true. Gogo CAP/Brewer's Theorem applied to distros :P |
| 00:57.27 | simplew | who is sid? |
| 00:57.33 | dvs | unstable |
| 00:57.52 | OzoneNerd | abrotman: Going to 3.2.x wouldn't be a "backport" would it? Sorry, I'm a bit confused about the terminology. |
| 00:58.11 | abrotman | OzoneNerd: it's the Debian term for it .. packages backported to stable |
| 00:58.25 | simplew | but i heard ubuntu has recent kde |
| 00:58.30 | Diopter | simplew: So, if you want a Debian-based system, did you actually check what versions Ubuntu or Mint have? Because Ubuntu Precise (12.04) that was just released has KDE 4.8.2 |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | Diopter: this is #debian |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | simplew: do you have a Debian question? |
| 00:58.49 | OzoneNerd | Okay, so I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to a more recent kernel ... will attempt. |
| 00:59.03 | Diopter | abrotman: I'm aware. And someone here Had Debian questions. Lots of them. And the answers weren't sufficient for their demands. |
| 00:59.15 | simplew | Diopter: yes i was talking about that |
| 00:59.19 | Diopter | abrotman: So thank you for the misconception, but I know where I am and what I'm discussing. |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | Diopter: discussing what versions another distro isn't on-topic |
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| 01:00.32 | nvz | simplew: sid is the kid next door in toy story that breaks toys |
| 01:01.45 | simplew | theres only 20 users in linuxmint channel |
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| 01:02.02 | simplew | i thought linuxmint was a distro big |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | simplew: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 01:02.48 | nvz | simplew: maybe thats not their main channel or people don't hang out and support it on irc like we do for debian. Google may know, we don't |
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| 01:03.32 | simplew | abrotman: no need to get mad, since i came here today you are always in a bad mood |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | simplew: not really, but you're constantly offtopic |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | simplew: i've suggested other places for you to go to get answers, this channel is for Debian support |
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| 01:04.52 | simplew | yes and i have been talking about debian and options about it |
| 01:04.56 | boudiccas | simplew: please go to #debian-offtopic where we can discuss your next distro there |
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| 01:05.08 | abrotman | simplew: no, you haven't |
| 01:05.15 | OzoneNerd | abrotman: May I ask what reason you have to think upgrading my kernel will fix this problem? |
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| 01:05.24 | abrotman | simplew: you've already decided Debian is not for you because it doesn't have kde4.8 |
| 01:05.46 | simplew | yes and im trying to get a solution |
| 01:06.03 | abrotman | simplew: Debian does NOT have kde4.8 .. end of discussion |
| 01:06.14 | simplew | but im not discussing that |
| 01:06.18 | tensorpudding | it'll have kde 4.8, someday |
| 01:06.38 | abrotman | simplew: exactly my point |
| 01:06.54 | gnarface | simplew: what abrotman is trying to say is that this isn't really the channel for discussing whether you should use debian or not, and why or for what. this is a channel for supporting people who ARE using debian. you're not, see the difference? |
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| 01:07.37 | simplew | gnarface: yes of course, but i didnt ask nothing more and abrotman its also not discussing nothing about debian but just picking on me |
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| 01:08.00 | abrotman | simplew: once again, do you have a *Debian* question ? |
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| 01:08.20 | nvz | I think the real problem here is that I'm the only one holding an ice cream.. if everyone else had an ice cream cone, this would all be better |
| 01:08.29 | simplew | abrotman: for the moment no, but i also didnt ask nothing more, i have been just aswnering you |
| 01:08.56 | simplew | nvz: :) |
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| 01:10.00 | Diopter | nvz: Desertist |
| 01:10.17 | nvz | /was/ holding an ice cream cone.. but even typing didn't stop me from eating it pretty fast |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | oh crap, forgot to answer him |
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| 01:13.37 | jch2os | i need help creating a partition, I need to use parted since the raid 10 array is 6TB. I start making it and it says it doesn't align, how can I make it align |
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| 01:15.09 | gnarface | jch2os: off the top of my head - you need to make sure to use a GPT partition table instead of DOS and you need to recompile your kernel to get support for any single partition size greater than 2TB i believe |
| 01:15.37 | jch2os | it supports it I had a 6TB partition, but since I can only export 2TB to iscsi, doesn't make sense |
| 01:15.48 | jch2os | so I wanted to split it into 2 TB partitions |
| 01:16.10 | gnarface | jch2os: filesystem counts too |
| 01:16.22 | gnarface | jch2os: hmm. but you didn't get that far did you? |
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| 01:16.41 | jch2os | it will be vmfs3 and ntfs, so i'm good |
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| 01:18.07 | alex- | I heard stories about Froxlor breaking Debian, how come? |
| 01:18.44 | alex- | I heard stories about Froxlor breaking Debian, how come? |
| 01:19.43 | gnarface | alex-: never heard of it |
| 01:20.39 | alex- | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! froxlor |
| 01:20.43 | alex- | is this bad? |
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| 01:21.55 | craigevil | alex-, add the gpg key, gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4F9E9BBC && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 01:22.12 | tensorpudding | it means that whatever repository that is providing froxlor is signed with a key that you don't have |
| 01:22.34 | tensorpudding | rather, a key which you don't have the public key for |
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| 01:26.43 | karlpinc | alex-: Basically, footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 01:27.46 | craigevil | alex-, the froxlor page has the steps, http://redmine.froxlor.org/projects/froxlor/wiki/Installation_via_APT_(Debian) |
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| 01:29.44 | alex- | timed out |
| 01:29.47 | alex- | it can't get the key |
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| 02:00.19 | simplew | abrotman: you really show that you are an asswhole, in #debian-offtopic theres nothing saying that that is NOT a channel for support, if is offtopic is to talk about whats not in topic in debian, but you simply would need to go there and act as a low life guy to just pick with others, you ave just revealed yourself |
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| 02:02.47 | etzerd | hello all |
| 02:03.01 | etzerd | what is the last version of Debian out there? |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | squeeze is the latest release |
| 02:03.37 | robin_sz | squeeeeeeeeeeze |
| 02:03.46 | etzerd | is it version 12? |
| 02:03.51 | somiaj | etzerd: from the /topic, "squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze" |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | 6 |
| 02:03.55 | robin_sz | it may not be the last, but it is the latest |
| 02:03.57 | robin_sz | 6 |
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| 02:05.36 | dvs | may not? |
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| 02:10.22 | hobarrera | Hi! I'm about to report a bug regarding my mouse not working (I've tried everything and asked everywhere), but I'm not sure to what package this belongs to. linux-kernel? :/ |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | hobarrera: what kind of mouse? |
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| 02:11.35 | hobarrera | abrotman: A logitech laser mouse. I've asked on this channel and debian-next already, and exhausted most choices. |
| 02:11.50 | somiaj | hobarrera: what do your xorg logs say about your pointer device |
| 02:11.55 | hobarrera | abrotman: It works on the same laptop on -stable, but not on testing or -sid |
| 02:12.02 | hobarrera | It does not work on xorg, or gpm |
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| 02:12.07 | abrotman | hobarrera: what is uname -r currently ? |
| 02:12.18 | hobarrera | 3.2.0-2-powerpc |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | hobarrera: i meant nmore .. usb or ps2 |
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| 02:12.25 | hobarrera | usb, wireless |
| 02:12.35 | somiaj | hobarrera: lsusb show you the device? |
| 02:12.55 | hobarrera | http://is.gd/5sk3Tw This forum post shows the output of lsusb and the dmesg |
| 02:13.15 | hobarrera | There's no point in copying it over to pastebin :P |
| 02:13.26 | hobarrera | This has been going on for around a week, on both testing and sid. |
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| 02:13.39 | hobarrera | The mouse itself (as a hardware) is detected, but will nor work on either xorg or gpm |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | hobarrera: if it's a regression, i guess file it on the kernel |
| 02:13.59 | hobarrera | It looks like a regression; it works fine on -stable |
| 02:14.25 | hobarrera | (I've tried upgraded installs, and clean installs, both things, a couple of times too) |
| 02:14.45 | somiaj | hobarrera: any useful info in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | somiaj: fails in console also |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | though, i'm curious if xev would show anything |
| 02:15.35 | somiaj | yea I saw that, but maybe the xorg log would give some info about why it is failing in X. |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | or if he cats /dev/input/mice |
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| 02:15.46 | somiaj | it could be a udev issue not creating a create device node? |
| 02:16.02 | somiaj | the second create is correct |
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| 02:16.09 | hobarrera | Gimme a sec, it's rebooting atm :) |
| 02:16.10 | craigevil | hehe cats > mice |
| 02:16.19 | abrotman | somiaj: could be |
| 02:17.19 | hobarrera | I *used* to have /dev/input/mouse{0,1}. I plugged the mouse just now, and only have mouse0 |
| 02:17.25 | hobarrera | (mouse0 = touchpad) |
| 02:18.10 | craigevil | xorg upgrade broke X again, fixed by doing: removed xorg.conf and installed xserver-xorg-video-ati which was just weird |
| 02:18.18 | somiaj | to me that sounds like udev/kernel isn't reconizing the usbid of that device and creating a correct device node for it. |
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| 02:18.44 | hobarrera | It may be a regresison then |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | hobarrera: was this box upgraded from squeeze/ |
| 02:18.53 | hobarrera | It was a clean install |
| 02:18.57 | edju | Is this OT? What's a good VOB to AVI, MPG, etc. cli program? I've checked Google, but can't find anything that's in the repos. |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | ffmpeg? |
| 02:19.23 | abrotman | if i knew what VOB was |
| 02:19.53 | edju | abramart, I dunno either, all I know is that's what I got. |
| 02:19.55 | somiaj | VOB is the package that dvd's use |
| 02:19.59 | hobarrera | I did several attempts; installed wheezy and upgraded to testing, formated, clean install of testing, formated, clean install of wheezy and upgraded to sid, format, clean install of testing and upgraded to sid , |
| 02:20.04 | somiaj | basically mpeg2 + dvd stuff |
| 02:20.05 | hobarrera | Almost every combination possible XD |
| 02:20.13 | hobarrera | Only -stable worked |
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| 02:20.26 | somiaj | edju: I always liked mplayer/mencoder myself, but ffmpeg is cleaner these days. |
| 02:20.54 | hobarrera | gpm didn't work either, I'll provide a xorg.0.log in asec |
| 02:21.30 | somiaj | hobarrera: if you aren't seeing the device node, that is the issue. There will probabaly be no mention of the device in the log since xorg won't see the device node. |
| 02:21.42 | hobarrera | Good point :P |
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| 02:22.24 | craigevil | edju, ogmrip , lxdvdrip, mencoder/mplayer |
| 02:22.28 | somiaj | I belive udev still has a MAKEDEV script assoicated with it, so you could manually create the device node with that, and see if things work |
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| 02:22.52 | somiaj | hobarrera: If you are able to manually create the device node and it work, it is just a matter of udev not reconizing the device correctaly and creating the node automatically |
| 02:23.01 | edju | Thanks all - will try. |
| 02:24.00 | craigevil | wouldn't dmesg show the mouse when it gets plugged in, that is if udev/kernel recognize it |
| 02:24.40 | somiaj | craigevil: dmesg only says the kernel reconinize it and assigns it a device, it doesn't mean that udev followed though and created the node. |
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| 02:25.17 | somiaj | and yes his dmesg sees it. So it is either a kernel issue (not assigning the correct driver/assocating fully) or a udev issue not following though and creating the device node |
| 02:27.22 | hobarrera | dmesg shows the mouse when I connect it |
| 02:27.26 | somiaj | hobarrera: haha, think I have a very similar mouse to yours and I run sid on amd64, no issues for me. Here is the output of my dmesg |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | somiaj: he's also on powerpc |
| 02:27.47 | hobarrera | It's a Logitech Performance MX, in case it matters |
| 02:28.18 | somiaj | yea so that is saying it is something to do with the powerpc kernels/udev -- but here is my dmesg output if you want to compare see if you can detect the issue |
| 02:28.21 | somiaj | http://paste.debian.net/167072/ |
| 02:29.05 | somiaj | the difference I see is your kernel never assigns that device to an 'input' device like happens with mine |
| 02:29.06 | Devastator | what the worse thing that could happen if i install debian on a hdd that has a few badblocks? |
| 02:29.13 | hobarrera | Actually, the dmesg differ a bit |
| 02:29.31 | somiaj | Devastator: data corruption, which could lead to a non function system |
| 02:29.38 | hobarrera | http://paste.debian.net/167073/ |
| 02:29.47 | somiaj | Devastator: also could losse data that is imporant to you if you write it to a bad block |
| 02:30.22 | hobarrera | Funny.. then it's a kernel issue it seems |
| 02:30.46 | somiaj | yea I don't know what that logitech-djreciver logitech-djdevice is grabing that device as opposed to just assiging it to the input module |
| 02:31.03 | Devastator | i'm having a bad day.. that's for sure |
| 02:31.09 | hobarrera | Yes, that's the part that struck me as odd. |
| 02:31.22 | somiaj | hobarrera: "Linux ukkosta 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Apr 15 16:47:38 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux" -- my kernel for comparision, so it could be some issue with how the ppc kernel is configured |
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| 02:31.58 | hobarrera | It's the exact same kernel (except the arch) |
| 02:32.17 | somiaj | hobarrera: I had a similar issue with a usbwireless, it was mearly the "idProduct=c52b" wasn't in the kernel database |
| 02:32.39 | somiaj | well y ou ahve a different product id, it could be just a newer device not correctly identified by the kernel assigin it to the wrong module. |
| 02:33.07 | hobarrera | MMmm... it IS upstream, because I have an identical mouse on another computer running archlinux, which is at 3.3.0, and it has worked all the time.... |
| 02:33.12 | hobarrera | And it works on debian-stable |
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| 02:33.44 | hobarrera | So I don't think that's the case - unless someone removed the product id on debian's 3.2 kernel, which I dont think is the case |
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| 02:34.55 | somiaj | could be it was added tho that logitech-djdevice which is taking over. |
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| 02:35.14 | hobarrera | Here's the dmesg of pluggin it in onto a non-debian computer running kernel 3.3.2: http://paste.debian.net/167074/ |
| 02:35.43 | somiaj | yea the problem is the input module is not correctly accepting the device |
| 02:37.10 | hobarrera | (it works on that other computer) |
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| 02:38.30 | somiaj | hobarrera: hmm, try this (I am no expert so not sure exctally how to tell the input module to assoicate with that device) |
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| 02:38.55 | hobarrera | somiaj: Go ahead, you definitely know more than me on this! :) :D |
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| 02:39.45 | somiaj | hobarrera: but does `echo "046d c52b" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/new_id` work |
| 02:39.56 | somiaj | I'm searching around /sys not exctally sure which device to say hey take this id |
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| 02:41.48 | somiaj | hobarrera: check dmesg | tail after you issue that, see if it accepts the id |
| 02:44.06 | hobarrera | What's that supposed to do? :/ |
| 02:44.30 | somiaj | it tells the driver to grab ahold of the device of a paticular id |
| 02:45.00 | hobarrera | No chance |
| 02:45.20 | hobarrera | *change |
| 02:45.23 | hobarrera | Nothing new in dmesg either |
| 02:45.44 | somiaj | so it should tell the usbhid device to grab the usbid of the device. That was just a shot in the dark. I had to do that with a usb wireless card that had full support but wasn't assoicting with the device due to a very new id on it |
| 02:46.46 | hobarrera | I guess I'll have to report this upstream |
| 02:46.59 | hobarrera | I just did a clean reinstall though, so I'm upgrading before I report this JUST IN CASE! :P |
| 02:47.15 | somiaj | do you have a non-ppc debian machine you could test it on? |
| 02:47.37 | hobarrera | Nope :( |
| 02:47.48 | hobarrera | There isn't a -testing livecd, is there? |
| 02:48.05 | somiaj | not unless you build it yourself |
| 02:48.23 | somiaj | yea I wish I knew more, mostly a hack here. But I see what the problem is, no clue how to track down a fix though. |
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| 02:50.09 | hobarrera | somiaj: Thanks though, I appreciate the effort :D |
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| 02:52.38 | roboman2444 | So, how do I get rid of synaptic touchpad in the 3.2 kernel? |
| 02:52.45 | abrotman | rid of ? |
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| 02:53.07 | roboman2444 | Well the 3.1 kernel just used a normal mouse driver... The 3.2 uses synapsids touchpad |
| 02:53.12 | roboman2444 | Which I hate |
| 02:53.32 | Guest19371 | I have two suggestions: 1. Improve the Debian installer. Make it more user friendly. 2. It's really convoluted to find the debian non-free firmware iso's now. I wish that would improve with easier to find links. |
| 02:53.35 | rozz_ | I'm trying to recover my Grub bootloader after needing to install windows. I'm on a live disk with ubuntu (sorry if this makes #debian channel people go mad). Any help would be nice. sudo grub-install /dev/sda1 is not working |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | Guest19371: if you start here, we can tell you in two seconds .. |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | Guest19371: and those firmware images are unofficial, so the project probably won't make them easier to find |
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| 02:54.12 | abrotman | Guest19371: and as for "improve" what do you mean ? |
| 02:54.45 | roboman2444 | So, can I make the 3.2 kernel use the old Psmouse or whatever driver for my touchpad instead of synaptic? |
| 02:54.51 | jtrog | rozz_: It should be sudo grub-install /dev/sda |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rozz_ about reinstall grub |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | roboman2444: i'd suspect you'd have to blacklist the synaptics tihng, let the psmouse load |
| 02:55.29 | Guest19371 | I find the Anaconda installer that Fedora and certain rhel clones use to be quite user friendly and requiring minimum user input. It's also super easy to encrypt the filesystem using that. I was hoping maybe make it similar to them. |
| 02:55.47 | roboman2444 | I think I have tried that... Though the synapsids module doesn't seem to be running in lsmod |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | Guest19371: the install guide covers encryption .. as for being easier, debian installer generally does the right thing if you hold in the enter key |
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| 02:56.15 | roboman2444 | Guest19371: Linux isn't supposed to be user friendly |
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| 02:57.02 | Guest19371 | roboman2444: Hahaha. |
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| 02:57.36 | roboman2444 | abrotman: I read somewhere that editing xorg.conf to do it... But I don't really have an xorg.conf |
| 02:57.51 | roboman2444 | And if I make one, it messes up bumblebee |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | i don't know what bumblebee is, can't help there |
| 02:58.07 | Guest19371 | I have tried Debian, loved it. But my only issue was that my c-media usb sound card didn't work properly :( |
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| 02:58.29 | roboman2444 | #bumblebee |
| 02:58.35 | Guest19371 | It wasn't being recognized. Tried editing modprobe.conf (or is it sound.conf) to no avail |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | Guest19371: so you're not using it anymore? |
| 02:59.16 | roboman2444 | It's a thing to run nvidia/intel laptop shit |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:59.24 | Guest19371 | abrotman: No, I shifted to a rhel clone. I didn't want to, but I had no option :( |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | yeah, i know nothing about nvidia stuff |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | Guest19371: well, you oculd have tried the bpo kernel on your squeeze install ? |
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| 02:59.40 | Guest19371 | If only my c-media usb sound card would've worked properly. |
| 02:59.41 | roboman2444 | Well it just fucks up if I do an xorg |
| 02:59.44 | roboman2444 | .conf |
| 02:59.50 | somiaj | roboman2444: so there is actually support for the integrated sandy bridge gpu and nvidia mobils now? |
| 02:59.52 | Guest19371 | abrotman: no, what is a bpo kernel? |
| 02:59.58 | roboman2444 | Yes |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | !tell Guest19371 about bpo |
| 03:00.16 | nevyn | abrotman: bumblebee is the optimus driver stuff fyi (nvidia and intel sharing a frambuffer) |
| 03:00.17 | somiaj | roboman2444: good to hear, last I heard there was none, and you basially had to use the sandybridge |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | nevyn: this is why i don't buy nvidia! :) |
| 03:00.53 | roboman2444 | It basically runs a second xorg when you want the nvidia power |
| 03:01.06 | somiaj | that sounds resource heavy. |
| 03:01.12 | roboman2444 | So... Gets plucked |
| 03:01.18 | nevyn | abrotman: it doesn't work with the nvidia non-free driver all nouveau :) |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | nevyn: still not buying nvidia! |
| 03:01.35 | roboman2444 | It works only with the non-free |
| 03:01.47 | roboman2444 | And I agree... Amd better |
| 03:01.54 | nevyn | intel > * |
| 03:02.24 | roboman2444 | But anywho... So I should try and blacklist it? |
| 03:02.30 | somiaj | I never had any issues with nvidia-nonfree in the years I've used it. I find it still offers the best 3D for gaming. |
| 03:02.45 | roboman2444 | Because when I plug in a USB mouse, that uses the Psmouse driver |
| 03:04.22 | somiaj | yea just "echo blacklist module_name > /etc/modprobe.d/module_name.cfg" |
| 03:04.37 | somiaj | sorry standar is .conf (not .cfg) |
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| 03:05.21 | roboman2444 | Aight |
| 03:05.34 | roboman2444 | Will try |
| 03:05.49 | roboman2444 | Tomorrow though... Too busy now to reboot and debug and shot |
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| 03:11.54 | Guest19371 | abrotman: thanks for the link. does the bpo kernel contain drivers for c-media usb sound cards? |
| 03:12.48 | somiaj | Guest19371: it will contain the drivers that come with the 3.2 kernel |
| 03:12.57 | somiaj | Guest19371: if the newer linux kernels support that card then yes. |
| 03:13.55 | Guest19371 | somiaj: oh ok. thanks. the usb sound card works flawlessly on fedora, linux mint, and ubuntu (which all carry the 3.__ + kernel) .. so i guess the chances of debian bpo supporting it are pretty high right? |
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| 03:14.09 | somiaj | yes |
| 03:14.23 | somiaj | I just don't know that device so won't make a claim one way or another |
| 03:15.00 | Guest19371 | fair enough .. |
| 03:15.31 | Guest19371 | somiaj: so the instructions page tells me to add the sources.list for bpo and install individual packages. what is the 3.2 kernel filename? |
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| 03:16.12 | somiaj | Guest19371: after you add the bpo sources, apt-get update, then apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 |
| 03:16.25 | Guest19371 | +i Floyd42 |
| 03:16.36 | somiaj | then apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2-foo |
| 03:16.40 | somiaj | where foo is what ever the search returns |
| 03:17.26 | Guest19371 | somiaj: thanks! one more question: is there a livecd iso for debian that includes the non-free firmware as well? i only found the non-free firmware for netinst .. |
| 03:17.45 | roboman2444 | You can make your own... |
| 03:17.49 | somiaj | nope, but you can easily copy over the non-free firmware and install it |
| 03:17.59 | somiaj | and reload the module to get it to work on the regular live cds |
| 03:18.17 | somiaj | you just have to do this each time unless you set up some persistance system or as roboman2444 said create your own custom live image |
| 03:18.46 | roboman2444 | Live USB would be easiest |
| 03:19.00 | mgodzilla | has 'wheezy' been released yet? |
| 03:19.02 | somiaj | if you grab the usb-hdd image, you can easily repartition the rest of the thumb drive |
| 03:19.10 | roboman2444 | Dd if=iso.iso of=/dev/sdusbdrive |
| 03:19.13 | somiaj | mgodzilla: no, it hasnt' even been frozen yet. about a year |
| 03:19.21 | mgodzilla | ah. thank you. |
| 03:19.23 | roboman2444 | Then just drag and drop the files into the USB where they need |
| 03:19.31 | Guest19371 | hmm .. so for live usb: i write the debian.iso without nonfree firmware onto it, then manually copy the firmware file on it? |
| 03:19.33 | mgodzilla | proceeds to install squeeze on a g5... |
| 03:19.36 | somiaj | but the usb-hdd images can repartition the rest of the drive, and then just copy over some firmware packages to make them easy to get |
| 03:19.52 | roboman2444 | Hah |
| 03:19.56 | roboman2444 | I have a g4 |
| 03:20.02 | mgodzilla | hehe...nice. |
| 03:20.13 | mgodzilla | my debian squeeze web server is a g5 as well. |
| 03:20.15 | mgodzilla | power pc :) |
| 03:20.45 | Guest19371 | because i tried doing that and it wasn't reading the non-free firmware files from the second usb i plugged in .. |
| 03:20.53 | mgodzilla | not really a fan of unity?box is currently runnin' ubuntu 10.10. |
| 03:21.08 | Guest19371 | i wish debian would release a live cd with non-free firmware included in the installer :( |
| 03:21.09 | mgodzilla | but i love me some debian?so imma make the switch. |
| 03:21.21 | Guest19371 | ubuntu 10.10 is past EOL |
| 03:21.30 | mgodzilla | yeah. that prompted me to upgrade the box. |
| 03:21.34 | somiaj | Guest19371: I find the find the firmware during the install to be a bit iffy. But on a live system you ust mount the drive and dpkg -i firmware_package.deb |
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| 03:22.11 | Guest19371 | somiaj: thanks, will try that |
| 03:22.14 | hobarrera | Have any of you guys using powerpc had any issues with mouses? :P |
| 03:22.21 | hobarrera | *mice |
| 03:22.25 | gasull | I'm using apt-pinning to install gscan2pdf from unstable in my Debian testing system. I wonder if apt-get dist-upgrade can remove it later. What packages can get removed with dist-upgrade? Only the ones installed when installing the system? |
| 03:22.51 | somiaj | Guest19371: you will have to modprobe -r module && modprobe module to get it to reload after you do that though. |
| 03:22.51 | mgodzilla | not i, hobarrera |
| 03:23.01 | mgodzilla | standard usb microsoft mouse? |
| 03:23.07 | mgodzilla | 'er dell, rather. |
| 03:23.17 | hobarrera | mgodzilla: Nope, a logitech wireless one. |
| 03:23.34 | mgodzilla | oh. haven't tried a wireless. |
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| 03:23.40 | somiaj | gasull: dist-upgrade can install/remove any packages that are needed to satisfy all the new dependneces |
| 03:23.42 | Guest19371 | somiaj: hmm ok. where do i do this? on a terminal in the livecd? |
| 03:23.45 | hobarrera | I haven't tried a wired XD |
| 03:23.49 | mgodzilla | i'm pretty much a debian n00b - self admitted. |
| 03:23.51 | somiaj | Guest19371: that is what I do |
| 03:23.59 | mgodzilla | so i wouldn't even know how to begin to configure wireless services. |
| 03:24.13 | hobarrera | mgodzilla: No, it have a simple usb receiver really |
| 03:24.14 | somiaj | gasull: upgrade will only upgrade packages that don't need new packages installed or old packages removed |
| 03:24.14 | Guest19371 | somiaj: ok, i'm gonna copy these commands and try it out |
| 03:24.26 | hobarrera | mgodzilla: Not much configuring to do, just plug it in :P |
| 03:24.29 | somiaj | Guest19371: correct them for the actuall module/networkcard/firmware you have |
| 03:24.32 | mgodzilla | hehe?nice :) |
| 03:24.55 | Guest19371 | ok |
| 03:24.56 | somiaj | gasull: and pinning just means that by default sid packages are considered less than wheezy packages so you won't automtically upgrade to sid |
| 03:26.06 | Guest19371 | i wish they would make it easier though. if they have a netinst iso with nonfree firmware, why not make a livecd with nonfree firmware too |
| 03:26.22 | somiaj | Guest19371: the netinstall iso is unoffical and mearly provided |
| 03:26.42 | somiaj | Guest19371: squeeze was the frist debian version to have a libre kernel (removing all the non-free firmware), so my hope is wheezy handels this a lot better. |
| 03:27.19 | Guest19371 | yeah, i know .. but since they anyway have that unofficial image, why not have one with a livecd too .. so much more convenient |
| 03:27.40 | nevyn | Guest19371: there is no "official" netinst with non-free stuff |
| 03:27.44 | somiaj | because it is unoffical so the people making it are not the same people making the offical debian 'free' live images |
| 03:28.07 | somiaj | so you either have to use the method I described or build your own custom live iamge |
| 03:28.21 | nevyn | non-free is not debian. it's just... provided |
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| 03:29.10 | somiaj | well non-free is offical it is just not debian 'main' a DSFG free unviersal OS |
| 03:29.12 | Guest19371 | right .. i have to look into how easy it is to create a livecd with nonfree firmware .. would be really useful |
| 03:29.36 | somiaj | in most cases the method I described will be easier. But check out live.debian.net they ahve docs on how to do it |
| 03:29.46 | Guest19371 | sounds like debian is more strict w.r.t this libre philosophy than even fedora, who i thought were strict |
| 03:30.00 | sammy | anyone run into a laptop that dies when AC power is removed when the machine is booted connected to AC? trying to help a friend track this down and I don't know where to begin. acpi? |
| 03:30.30 | somiaj | Guest19371: http://www.debian.org/social_contract also check out http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 03:30.36 | sammy | (its only doing this in debian, not windows) |
| 03:30.42 | Guest19371 | cool thanks |
| 03:30.51 | avernos | does anyone know any howto on chrooting users for a webserver ? |
| 03:31.21 | somiaj | sammy: I can only suggest look at acpid, and see what event is being triggered during the unplug telling the os to shut down. |
| 03:31.37 | avernos | so users can edit web files without reading/writting perms for other stuff |
| 03:31.50 | sammy | somiaj: I'm not sure if its a shutdown. then I'd look to acpi. this is as if someone just yanked all the power sources or pressed the power button. it just dies |
| 03:31.52 | somiaj | sammy: but if it dies (as if no power) it could just be a bad battery. |
| 03:32.25 | somiaj | sammy: yea I don't see why a hardware issue like that would not effect windows unless you need some silly drivers to tell the laptop to switch from AC to Battery power |
| 03:32.31 | somiaj | sammy: in that case note the manifacture and avoid. (: |
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| 03:32.40 | sammy | inorite |
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| 03:32.50 | sammy | he did come to me with this and mentioned kernel drivers |
| 03:32.51 | somiaj | does he have the same issue if he is in the BIOS |
| 03:33.03 | sammy | ! good question |
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| 03:36.56 | gasull | somiaj: OK. thanks |
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| 03:51.28 | hobarrera | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/167080/ is it possible I need some firmware for my USB drive to work, and that's what's been keeping th emouse from working? |
| 03:53.08 | hobarrera | somiaj: Scrub that, another usb device *did* work :P |
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| 04:03.35 | BrosefSpicoli | hi |
| 04:04.19 | BrosefSpicoli | does anyone know if .htaccess files realy slow down apache |
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| 04:06.19 | LtL | BrosefSpicoli: it's a fact they do, albeit negligable in most cases. |
| 04:06.37 | BrosefSpicoli | i think its a total myth |
| 04:06.55 | LtL | it's true |
| 04:07.06 | LtL | just hard to measure |
| 04:07.13 | BrosefSpicoli | are there any speed tests |
| 04:07.33 | Rusty1 | BrosefSpicoli: ask on the #httpd channel too ? |
| 04:07.44 | gasull | I have hplip installed, but I can't get the scanner to work. I've been able to use it previously in another laptop with Debian, but I don't know how. |
| 04:07.51 | BrosefSpicoli | i mean obviously one can optimize this if needed |
| 04:07.57 | BrosefSpicoli | but jeeez |
| 04:08.07 | LtL | BrosefSpicoli: apache.org will tell you the same. |
| 04:08.10 | BrosefSpicoli | cry me a river |
| 04:08.21 | BrosefSpicoli | right |
| 04:08.30 | BrosefSpicoli | thats why i am asking |
| 04:09.19 | BrosefSpicoli | gasull, you have to download some sane backends |
| 04:09.23 | BrosefSpicoli | or something |
| 04:09.51 | LtL | BrosefSpicoli: i don't let it stop me from using .htaccess so i wouldn't throw in the towel on 'em. |
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| 04:10.13 | BrosefSpicoli | ok |
| 04:11.08 | BrosefSpicoli | i mean u can always copypasta that into apache conf |
| 04:11.19 | LtL | BrosefSpicoli: adding any code is going to slow down a program/process, my fix = more power! |
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| 04:11.27 | BrosefSpicoli | hahaha |
| 04:11.36 | BrosefSpicoli | that was amazing |
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| 04:12.21 | BrosefSpicoli | i worked with a cto that was prety angry about it |
| 04:12.30 | mmnicolas | does anyone would happen to have a solution regarding the blue people with the lastest flashplayer and nvidia driver on squeeze ? |
| 04:12.39 | BrosefSpicoli | but the server was at like 0% use |
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| 04:14.51 | mmnicolas | ok, I'll just downgrade flashplayer, it won't ever be updated again anyway right ? |
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| 04:31.17 | gasull | BrosefSpicoli: Where do I download those Sane backends? Also, running hp-check says I don't have Sane installed, but that isn't true. |
| 04:31.49 | BrosefSpicoli | search in synaptics |
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| 05:25.47 | fluxb0x | What's the lightest window manager that is not based around keyboard shortcuts (like dwm) |
| 05:26.00 | krisfremen | fluxb0x: twm |
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| 05:26.36 | fluxb0x | I use fluxbox now, just wondering if I can go any lighter |
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| 05:27.28 | pawz | twm is awesome. i run it on machines with nothing but four xterms on screen. that machine never does anythign else with its gui except those xterms |
| 05:27.42 | pawz | it reminds me of the old mono xterms we used at university |
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| 05:28.24 | krisfremen | well, twm was being run on machines back in 1988.. you can't go lighter than that.. |
| 05:28.33 | krisfremen | in the time when 640K was ought to be enough for everyone |
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| 05:28.44 | somiaj | I would say there is comprable, icewm, openbox, fvwm, xmonad, ratposion, etc. But in that case I would worry more about your applications than the resource use of the wm and find one you like. |
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| 05:35.47 | Diopter | Big_Brother: Do you mean for Windows/Linux guests? Or hosts? |
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| 05:38.10 | fluxb0x | Is openbo o |
| 05:38.57 | fluxb0x | *is openbox or fluxbox more lightweight? |
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| 05:43.21 | Diopter | fluxb0x: fluxbox, afaik. |
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| 06:03.44 | afidegnum | hello good morning, pls I am a ina big trouble |
| 06:03.58 | afidegnum | for the past 4 days now, i can't upload files to my vps server. |
| 06:04.16 | afidegnum | whenever I upload a file, it takes a very long time, with time out errors. |
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| 06:04.22 | afidegnum | what could be the cause pls? |
| 06:04.45 | jacky_afk | debian/unstable: in (quake3) the original and the SDL client the mousewheel doesn't work while moving the mouse since an update in the last 2 days |
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| 06:07.59 | rozie | hello. need to check wajig command output on testing/unstable. looks like install command is broken, but I use mixed release and don't want to report a bug if it's my system's fault. anyone can help? |
| 06:08.22 | tralala | afidegnum, I'd start the troubleshooting with checking network throughput on both sides and then vps IO |
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| 06:08.47 | afidegnum | tralala, pls can u shed more light ? |
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| 06:10.42 | tralala | afidegnum, what was unclear? |
| 06:11.06 | afidegnum | ok, I have a stable internet connectivity |
| 06:11.21 | rozie | afidegnum: _both_ sides |
| 06:11.23 | afidegnum | also, I can smoothly upload to other servers without a problem |
| 06:11.34 | somiaj | rozie: did you ate least check the bts to see if someone else as a similar issue? |
| 06:11.37 | afidegnum | but here, there is a longer timeout |
| 06:13.08 | rozie | somiaj: yes I did. nothing found (and there's only a few bugs reported on wajig). want to report a bug, but I'd like to be sure it's not mixing fault (never happend to me, but I know it may be the cause) |
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| 06:13.44 | rozie | what I need is just: wajig install/unstable <package> output on pure testing/unstable system |
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| 06:15.17 | rozie | in my case it produces http://pastebin.com/jKea8usi |
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| 06:16.31 | somiaj | rozie: build a pure chroot of sid |
| 06:16.39 | somiaj | rozie: though why are you mixing in the frist place? |
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| 06:17.35 | afidegnum | any other answer pls? |
| 06:18.04 | rozie | because I used to mixed enviroment. need some newer versions of packages, not all are present in backports. never had major issues with this |
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| 06:18.51 | rozie | c'mon, do I _always_ have to explain this? ;-) |
| 06:19.28 | rozie | chroot is a good idea. I forgot I changed hardware and have plenty of space avaliable |
| 06:19.33 | rozie | thanks |
| 06:20.26 | somiaj | rozie: well if you are mixing testing/sid just run sid. |
| 06:20.43 | somiaj | if youare mixing squeeze, build your own backports or upgrade to testing. |
| 06:21.05 | rozie | stable/testing/unstable (plus some experimental) |
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| 06:21.19 | rozie | building backports is PITA |
| 06:21.20 | somiaj | well you won't get much support anywhere with that. Just run sid |
| 06:21.45 | somiaj | I think it is less of a pita then mixing binary packages made for vastly different libary bases |
| 06:22.28 | rozie | if fact, never had major issues for a few years |
| 06:22.38 | somiaj | you most likely have so little of a squeeze base system left |
| 06:22.50 | rozie | let me check :-) |
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| 06:23.06 | somiaj | no need keeping it around. So you will get far better support if you just ran testing or unstable |
| 06:23.48 | BrosefSpicoli | what do u guyz think of my new css template |
| 06:23.49 | tralala | rozie, are you sure the correct syntax is install/<distro> <package> as opposed to install <package>/<distro>? |
| 06:23.55 | BrosefSpicoli | http://alerts.7r4c3.net/ |
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| 06:24.19 | rozie | well, I thougth about going sid several times... |
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| 06:24.20 | jack_thompson | debian/unstable: downgrading xserver-xorg-input-mouse from squeeze fixed the problem with mouse movement "blocking" the mousewheel |
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| 06:24.50 | jack_thompson | must have been happened in a update of xserver-xorg-input-mouse for unstable in the last 2 days |
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| 06:25.46 | rozie | wajig versions | grep squeeze | grep -v backports | wc -l |
| 06:25.47 | rozie | 714 |
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| 06:26.05 | rozie | wajig versions | wc -l |
| 06:26.07 | rozie | 1507 |
| 06:26.26 | rozie | looks like half of packages is from stable |
| 06:27.35 | somiaj | but only look at packages that have the release priority standard, required or important |
| 06:27.38 | somiaj | i.e. only look at the base system |
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| 06:30.00 | rozie | BrosefSpicoli: you're right. thank you |
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| 06:30.50 | BrosefSpicoli | beter not steal my css |
| 06:31.02 | BrosefSpicoli | © |
| 06:31.12 | tralala | BrosefSpicoli, I already sold it to three customers |
| 06:31.25 | BrosefSpicoli | aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgffffff |
| 06:31.38 | BrosefSpicoli | look here matey |
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| 06:36.01 | rozie | OK, looks like nice day for switching to unstable |
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| 06:36.42 | ogzy | at my debian web server, files that are uploaded from web panel have www-data user and group owners, for the users that have home directories defined unded /varr/www, they are not able to erase the files, any idea how can i fix it? |
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| 06:38.19 | somiaj | ogzy: if the user has ownership of the libary they can erease files in the directory not owned by them |
| 06:38.46 | somiaj | ogzy: but I can't think of a way to tell apache2 (or your webserver) to have premisions to change file ownership without compermising secuirty |
| 06:38.58 | somiaj | ogzy: sorry ownership of the directory (its late here) |
| 06:38.58 | ChrisH | chown -R USER:www-data $HOME ; chown g+w $HOME ; where $HOME is the /var/www/username |
| 06:39.13 | tdn | I maintain servers for a few customers. One of the regular tasks is to install security updates. A problem I face is that some updates require services to be restarted. This is no problem, if it is done outside of business hours. However, I prefer to do the maintenance work in business hours. So I figure there must be a way to install schedule an apt-get dist-upgrade to be run at night, without having to do it interactively? How to do this? I specifical |
| 06:39.39 | ChrisH | ogzy: That should work. But need to be checked. |
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| 06:41.09 | ogzy | ChrisH: the thing is, the web panel creates directories dynamically according to the current date, changing permission will work, but then it will require a cron issue? |
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| 06:45.11 | ChrisH | ogzy: Cant you fix the web panel? A cronjob will work |
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| 06:47.27 | Rockj | anyone can pinpoint me if I have an issue with my computer or not? https://gist.github.com/2583843 |
| 06:49.07 | Rockj | (a kernel derp, SMP general protection fault?) |
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| 06:50.50 | ogzy | ChrisH: it seems i should define a cron issue |
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| 06:51.55 | mrtnt86 | Am I correct that in case I specify "init=/bin/bash" in the GRUB, then bash is started instead of init process? |
| 06:52.22 | darkelfjuggalo | Presently I am on my Desktop.... Attemption to startup Debian Squeeze on my Netbook, Mount 27, Forced check. about 65% the checked ended requiring to run File Systems ChecK in Read-only via a maintenance shell... I have the read-only open and the maintenance shell ready, how do i run the fsck manually [ For full details on the auto fsck results: http://paste.debian.net/167095/ ] |
| 06:53.54 | tralala | mrtnt86, yes |
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| 06:55.16 | tralala | darkelfjuggalo, what filesystem do you need to fsck? |
| 06:55.39 | mrtnt86 | tralala: ok, so one could do foe example "init=/sbin/ifconfig" as well? :) |
| 06:55.43 | mrtnt86 | *do |
| 06:55.52 | darkelfjuggalo | tralala, root filesystem according to my screen |
| 06:56.22 | tralala | mrtnt86, sure. However when the init process exits the kernel will panic |
| 06:57.19 | tralala | darkelfjuggalo, and what type of filesystem is it? ext3? |
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| 06:59.01 | huosen | hi, where can i find libusb library, i need to make a symlink to it |
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| 06:59.08 | rorx | just installed v6 and when I use ssh to login, Control-c does not work, ideas? stty -a does show intr bound to ^C. |
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| 06:59.39 | darkelfjuggalo | I'm not sure, how would I find out [I haven't intentionally manipulated the Root Filesystem manually... I boot into Gnome and do my work, I accept my system and package undates/upgrades] |
| 07:00.37 | Rockj | nvm me, pebkac error. |
| 07:02.03 | mrtnt86 | tralala: thanks :) |
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| 07:02.59 | tralala | darkelfjuggalo, try fsck /dev/sda1 on the command line |
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| 07:21.27 | darkelfjuggalo | That apears to have fixed it issues |
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| 07:28.23 | Mikha`el | when i su to root x11 apps will work without using sux, which is what i dont want, how do i divorce a terminal from the x display |
| 07:28.41 | Mikha`el | some command line apps i want to use will pop up a gui window if they can, which is what i dont want |
| 07:29.00 | Mikha`el | and i dont want to have to go to tty every time |
| 07:29.17 | Mikha`el | some other distros dont do this, so it seems to be some debianism |
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| 07:29.47 | rorx | is there some kind of system policy in v6 that disables SIGTERM and SIGINT globally? |
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| 07:37.47 | krion | hi |
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| 07:38.54 | Mikha`el | nvm i found an option for it in the app im using, still i would prefer how to completely divorce a terminal from the x display so apps dont try to do this, blanking out DISPLAY env var doesnt work, there seems to bve some other environment variables at play |
| 07:39.20 | Mikha`el | telling it that there is a display server present |
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| 07:43.29 | tralala | rorx, what is v6? |
| 07:43.40 | rorx | tralala: version 6 |
| 07:43.50 | tralala | debian version 6? |
| 07:43.55 | rorx | right |
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| 07:44.09 | tralala | what ssh client are you using? |
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| 07:44.27 | rorx | I've setup a virtual instance and notice that it seems to ignore at leaste SIGINFO, SIGTERM |
| 07:44.34 | rorx | I'm using OpenSSH on OS X 10.6 |
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| 07:44.41 | rorx | pretty sure that's not the problem though. |
| 07:45.00 | rorx | with an interactive process, I actually see the ^C's printed on terminal. |
| 07:45.12 | tralala | and you connect using openssh? |
| 07:45.56 | rorx | and using kill(1) in a different session to kill that same process does not end it, when it should (meaning a SIGTERM should be enough) the only signal that seems to work is SIGKILL |
| 07:46.01 | rorx | yes. |
| 07:46.26 | tralala | is this happening for one particular process/application? |
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| 07:47.38 | rorx | tralala: I've only tried it with one so far.. just logged into it for the first time today and noticed something was wrong when I could not interactively interrupt wget |
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| 07:48.14 | tralala | SIGTERM and SIGINT can be ignored by the process |
| 07:48.32 | tralala | however I don't think wget ignores them |
| 07:48.41 | rorx | oh yeah, definitely not. |
| 07:48.52 | rorx | I have used it many times before on other OSs |
| 07:49.01 | file-exists-p | rorx: I had a weird problem of process refusing to die |
| 07:49.12 | file-exists-p | rorx: are you using fvwm2? |
| 07:49.20 | tralala | rorx, and that happens every time you run wget? |
| 07:49.27 | rorx | file-exists-p: no, this is a remote virtualized server. |
| 07:49.31 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 07:49.40 | file-exists-p | rorx: have you checked the masked events ? |
| 07:49.58 | intore | hi, am working to prepare a domain controller on debian squeeze with samba and ldap. every user has his home directory on the server and i want that after login on the client it mount automatically his home but it doesn't. it creates a directory on the client using the path i specified on ldap for that user. could you help me please? |
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| 07:50.09 | rorx | tralala: yes. |
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| 07:50.30 | rorx | tralala: but I'm used to C-c on a blank prompt simply providing a new prompt, and that's not even working. |
| 07:50.48 | rorx | file-exists-p: hmm, I have not heard of that. |
| 07:50.49 | file-exists-p | rorx: try ps -eo blocked ? |
| 07:51.07 | file-exists-p | rorx: when you have an unkillable wget, run "ps -eo masked | grep wget" in another shell |
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| 07:51.31 | rorx | file-exists-p: ok, I have a wget session running now so I'll try. |
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| 07:52.44 | rorx | file-exists-p: ERROR: Unknown user-defined format specifier "masked". |
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| 07:54.08 | thelegace_ | hi does anyone here by chance have experiance with alix embedded boards? |
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| 07:54.21 | thelegace_ | for some reason i cant get gnome to work through the console port |
| 07:54.30 | thelegace_ | which is the only way i can connect the device |
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| 07:55.08 | tralala | rorx, try ps -o blocked $$ |
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| 07:56.16 | tralala | C-c should work on the shell too |
| 07:56.19 | rorx | tralala: hmm, well the wget session finished.. wonder what I could use to keep a process going.. yes(1) maybe? |
| 07:56.51 | tralala | rorx, it doesn't seem to be wget related given that C-c doesn't work on the command line |
| 07:56.54 | dokma | how do I print the hdx,y notation for all disks and partitions? |
| 07:57.09 | dokma | so I can use it in grub2 config? |
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| 07:57.19 | rorx | tralala: yes for sure, as the shell is ignoring it too. |
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| 07:57.44 | tralala | so try to see the blocked signals of the shell with the above command |
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| 07:58.17 | rorx | ok, one sec. |
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| 07:58.42 | tralala | dokma, disk1:partition1 -> hd0,0 |
| 07:58.50 | tralala | dokma, the rest follows from there |
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| 07:59.08 | dokma | tralala: I see, is there a way to print them all out? |
| 07:59.10 | rorx | tralala: ok, I got some output.. I didn't specify a pid, is that correct? |
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| 07:59.38 | tralala | dokma, not in grub format, but you can use 'cat /proc/partitions' or 'fdisk -lu' |
| 07:59.59 | tralala | rorx, you did specify a pid - $$ |
| 08:00.21 | dokma | thank u |
| 08:00.26 | rorx | tralala: ok, not familiar with that variable. |
| 08:00.26 | tralala | rorx, is 0000000000010000 what you get? |
| 08:00.39 | rorx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.39 | rorx | 0000000000014002 |
| 08:01.02 | tralala | well there's your problem |
| 08:01.16 | file-exists-p | are other processes with blocked events? |
| 08:01.19 | tralala | did you install this system yourself? |
| 08:02.11 | rorx | tralala: no it's an install image provided by the host provider. I'm chatting with their support concurrently to see if they can give me any details on how this install is configured.. I assume this is due to some global policy? |
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| 08:03.47 | file-exists-p | rorx: "ps -eo blocked,cmd|grep -v ^0000000000000000" will show you the other processes with masked events |
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| 08:04.08 | tralala | rorx, maybe something it /etc/profile or any of the other shell config files |
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| 08:04.32 | file-exists-p | rorx: it is likely that the shell in which you are runing wget itself has masked events |
| 08:05.17 | rorx | I see, it is a root account shell.. but think the same was happening with the user account too.. let me double check that. |
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| 08:06.00 | rorx | yeah, the user shell seems to have the same problem. |
| 08:07.00 | file-exists-p | roxr: and the shell's parent? |
| 08:07.03 | file-exists-p | who is it? |
| 08:07.05 | rorx | so are these signal masks or whatever the right term for them, inherited by child processes of the shell in which they are invoked.. so this is why wget has the same issue? |
| 08:07.13 | file-exists-p | yes |
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| 08:07.36 | pietro | how can compile xfsprogs? |
| 08:07.59 | file-exists-p | I had the same problem with fvwm having a bug -> fvwm had USR1 masked -> the xterm it started had masked events too -> the bash in it too -> the commands in the bash too |
| 08:08.04 | tralala | pietro, if you have to ask you probably can't |
| 08:08.23 | tralala | but start with man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:08.50 | tralala | rorx, alternatively the sshd config |
| 08:09.14 | rorx | hmm.. |
| 08:09.16 | pietro | sorry |
| 08:09.24 | pietro | when be ready xfsprogs 3.1.8? |
| 08:09.30 | pietro | on repository debian |
| 08:09.35 | pietro | sid and wheezy |
| 08:09.55 | tralala | whenever the maintainer pleases |
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| 08:10.37 | rorx | tralala: is there normally a wrapper or tool that's used to set these masks on a process? |
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| 08:10.55 | tralala | rorx, not that I'm aware of |
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| 08:11.15 | tralala | I've never used signal trapping myself. |
| 08:11.28 | dokma | is there a way to tell grub2 to print out it's menu as if though I rebooted but without rebooting? |
| 08:11.32 | tuv | so for exim to be able to send and receive email, it should listen on all IPs, correct? listening on 127.0.0.1 will not allow receiving mail? |
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| 08:12.25 | tuv | my question is: how do i allow sending mail from local host only, but receive all mail? |
| 08:12.30 | tralala | dokma, qemu? |
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| 08:13.09 | dokma | tralala: is that really needed? no grub-something just to print the menu? |
| 08:13.15 | gyaresu | Hey there. I'm trying to set UMASK to 0002 rather than the default 022 to enable multiple users write access to /var/www I've edited /etc/login.defs and rebooted but still no joy. Nothing in the .bashrc and no /etc/default/lagins file. I'm refering to the pam_umask man page and have run out of ideas. Help? |
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| 08:13.32 | tralala | dokma, be warned though - attempting to boot a VM from your partition in use might corrupt your filesystem |
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| 08:13.49 | tralala | so if you do it you have to stop grub before it boots |
| 08:13.57 | gyaresu | Debian 6.0.3 |
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| 08:14.07 | burhan | I am looking for a monitoring tool for my debian vms - the key thing is SNMP is not allowed on the network, so I need something that relies on agents and not SNMP. Almost everything I have tried so far relies exclusively on SNMP traps - any recommendations? |
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| 08:14.16 | tralala | dokma, you can read the menu.lst file |
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| 08:14.22 | ash_ | hello, can i upgrade a package in sid from squeeze without upgrading the entire system? The package is libglib2.0-dev |
| 08:14.38 | dokma | tralala: this is grub2 |
| 08:14.45 | dokma | I don't think it has one... |
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| 08:15.06 | tralala | dokma, it sure does - /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:15.17 | dokma | ahhh, yes |
| 08:15.23 | dokma | that's what I wanted! |
| 08:15.27 | dokma | thanks a bunch |
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| 08:15.29 | tralala | sure |
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| 08:15.56 | tralala | dokma, don't edit this by hand - it's automatically generated |
| 08:15.59 | rorx | file-exists-p: sorry, I'm groveling through the ps(1) manual to see how to show ppid |
| 08:16.09 | dokma | tralala: thanks! |
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| 08:16.22 | mrtnt86 | Is it true that PXE boot option will be provided with certain NIC's? I mean the onboard NIC of the machine do not support PXE, but thanks to installed PCI-E NIC the machine supports PXE? |
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| 08:17.13 | tralala | mrtnt86, yes - not all nics support pxe |
| 08:18.07 | peterrooney | rorx: my cheat sheet for that: ps -ef f |
| 08:18.09 | rorx | file-exists-p: ok, sshd is the ppid of my user shell |
| 08:18.10 | tralala | however all the modern ones should and if the mobo has pci-e then imo it should do pxe too |
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| 08:18.43 | rorx | so it's sounding like sshd might be setting this signal mask policy |
| 08:19.13 | rorx | the host tells me this should be a vanilla v6 install.. though I assume this policy is not set by default on v6 correct? |
| 08:19.26 | tralala | mrtnt86, so it the onboard nic doesn't do pxe it might be disabled in the bios |
| 08:19.39 | tralala | rorx, correct |
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| 08:20.23 | tralala | rorx, does the sshd have the same blocked mask? |
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| 08:20.50 | rorx | tralala: is there a web SCM perhaps for debian where I can say compare my copy of sshd_config with the default copy? |
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| 08:21.17 | ChrisH | tralala: as at least sighup is mentioned in man sshd it need to create a sigmask |
| 08:21.19 | rorx | tralala: that's what I'm trying to determine.. not sure what the directive would be.. I've never even heard of this signal masking feature before. |
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| 08:22.28 | tralala | ChrisH, the question isn't about any sigmask |
| 08:22.44 | tralala | rorx, ps -o blocked <pid_of_sshd> |
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| 08:23.17 | tralala | rorx, even better ps -o blocked -C sshd |
| 08:23.27 | tralala | mine is 0 |
| 08:23.33 | rorx | tralala: yep, same.. 4002 |
| 08:23.48 | tralala | what about init? |
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| 08:24.11 | rorx | tralala: with -C I get several lines.. all the same values, 4002 |
| 08:24.32 | rorx | tralala: init is 0 |
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| 08:25.30 | tralala | yes, there's one sshd per session + the listener |
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| 08:26.13 | gyaresu | Hey there. I'm trying to set UMASK to 0002 rather than the default 022 to enable multiple users write access to /var/www I've edited /etc/login.defs and rebooted but still no joy. Nothing in the .bashrc and no /etc/default/lagins file. I'm refering to the pam_umask man page and have run out of ideas. Help? |
| 08:26.23 | tralala | so your problem is that sshd is capturing SIGTERM and SIGINT (assuming that's what 4002 is) |
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| 08:27.55 | mrtnt86 | tralala: thanks! |
| 08:28.25 | rorx | tralala: yep I think you've identified the problem.. not to figure where that policy is set.. sshd is started from an rc file right? |
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| 08:28.46 | rorx | er, now to figure.. |
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| 08:29.10 | tralala | rorx, what's your md5 of /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 08:29.47 | rorx | c58053693a734cd3cb3ca5098c76befa /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 08:30.10 | tralala | that's standard |
| 08:30.35 | rorx | ok |
| 08:30.38 | tralala | are these the same too: e24f749808133a27d94fda84a89bb27b /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:30.45 | tralala | 500e3cf069fe9a7b9936108eb9d9c035 /etc/default/ssh |
| 08:31.22 | rorx | tralala: yep, same here. |
| 08:31.45 | rorx | how about inittab? |
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| 08:32.00 | rorx | c3bf2e22c7d4d0de1b32133b7b0da922 /etc/inittab |
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| 08:32.18 | tralala | mine's different |
| 08:32.26 | tralala | but I'm not sure it's related |
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| 08:33.32 | tralala | try restarting the service |
| 08:33.35 | rorx | tralala: yeah, thought maybe it could be some kind of init config, as it seems its descendants might be masked.. maybe I should check all processes. |
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| 08:34.47 | tralala | you could do that |
| 08:35.04 | simonlnu | split must've put me in -overflow |
| 08:36.58 | rorx | tralala: yeah, restarting it yields the same 4002 on the new sshd instance |
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| 08:41.40 | tralala | rorx, my next suspect are the init scripts |
| 08:42.01 | tralala | are all of the init's children 4002? |
| 08:42.28 | tralala | what about ps -o blocked -C getty? |
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| 08:44.30 | rorx | tralala: just looked at all of the ones that are not 0 and it's just the shells and sshd's. and there's one bash instance that's got a mask of 14002 |
| 08:44.32 | peterrooney | fresh install, xine dies on startup just after splash screen, started from either xterm or menu. (squeeze, gdm, enlightenment) |
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| 08:45.27 | tralala | rorx, apt-cache policy openssh-server |
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| 08:47.03 | mrtnt86 | Is it possible to install for example Wireshark to headless(no X and desktop environment installed) server and then use Wireshark over SSH tunneling? |
| 08:47.17 | rorx | tralala: got output, should I pastebin it? |
| 08:47.37 | tralala | mrtnt86, yes with X11 forwarding |
| 08:48.06 | tralala | rorx, yes |
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| 08:50.12 | rorx | tralala: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129277 |
| 08:51.01 | tralala | rorx, lisp.org, C-c... you must be an emacs person, right? |
| 08:51.26 | rorx | tralala: haha, good guess. yes. |
| 08:51.57 | tralala | ok, the package seems fine |
| 08:52.17 | tralala | let's make sure the binary is too: 66fb589ed87b216cdb7ae304e32a0add /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 08:52.42 | tralala | when was this installation first made? |
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| 08:53.01 | rorx | tralala: nope different.. but is that from v6/x86_64? |
| 08:53.08 | tralala | yes |
| 08:53.32 | tralala | I'm starting to suspect a rootkit |
| 08:53.46 | rorx | I did it yesterday, but it's an VM image provided by the host you know.. so not sure when they made the image. |
| 08:54.15 | tralala | reinstall openssh-server |
| 08:54.55 | tralala | and see if the checksum matches |
| 08:55.11 | rorx | sa far as I can tell it's a xen 64-bit install.. they must use xen for the hypervisor.. this is Rackspace btw. |
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| 08:55.28 | tralala | ah, wait mine is a security upgrade |
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| 08:57.05 | rorx | ah, never version of the package than mine? |
| 08:57.09 | rorx | newer |
| 08:57.14 | tralala | yes |
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| 08:57.40 | tralala | not newer - just patched |
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| 08:58.06 | tralala | are you skipping security upgrades on purpose? |
| 08:58.43 | rorx | no I just haven't gotten to that. I'm new to Debian actually, so I'm not even well versed on the packaging yet. |
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| 08:59.19 | tralala | do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:59.23 | rorx | ok. |
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| 09:00.13 | rorx | looks like 43 packages to upgrade. |
| 09:00.23 | tralala | go ahead |
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| 09:00.59 | rorx | hmm, even the kernel it looks like. |
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| 09:01.31 | rorx | this one seems to use linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 09:01.48 | tralala | the upgrade will restart sshd. When it's done, see if the checksum matches and if the sigmask has changed |
| 09:02.06 | rorx | oh so Debian uses the amd64 label like BSD.. didn't expect that. |
| 09:02.36 | rorx | yep that's what it's doing now. |
| 09:03.10 | rorx | done |
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| 09:03.32 | rorx | guess I should consider a restart now. |
| 09:03.51 | tralala | the restart can wait |
| 09:04.10 | rorx | ok, so try another login then? |
| 09:04.29 | tralala | just verify the checksum and the sigmask |
| 09:04.44 | rorx | ah, right. |
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| 09:05.31 | tralala | is password login enabled in sshd? is it running on the default port? |
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| 09:06.33 | g0rd0n | how can i tell from command line, if a text file has unix or windows line endings? |
| 09:06.39 | rorx | tralala: same sig mask on sshd. |
| 09:06.55 | tralala | g0rd0n, file <filename> |
| 09:07.16 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | hi, i'm just about to delve into "debian testing"... i see there is no netinst.iso - can anyone advise me which images I'm likely to need for a basic laptop install? Is it like with stable, where I can just download CD 1 to bootstrap the install, and add everything else from the repo? |
| 09:07.39 | rorx | tralala: yep, now my sshd binary matches the sum you stated above. |
| 09:08.27 | tralala | AndyDarcyJewell1, there is netinst iso for testing |
| 09:08.34 | rorx | hrm.. perhaps I should consider re-imaging. |
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| 09:08.54 | g0rd0n | tralala: thanks |
| 09:09.09 | tralala | rorx, do you have default ssh port and password log-ins? |
| 09:09.19 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | tralala: oh, ok. it's not on cdimage.debian.org... |
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| 09:09.45 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | tralala: give me a hint where to find it, please? |
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| 09:10.37 | rorx | tralala: I think your sshd_config sum matched mine. |
| 09:10.55 | rorx | so i assume that is stock. |
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| 09:11.31 | intore | hi, please could you tell me how to mount on the client a samba share resident on a server? am trying but it doesn't run |
| 09:13.24 | tralala | AndyDarcyJewell1, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:13.56 | tralala | rorx, a good rootkit won't go down that easily |
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| 09:14.43 | guardian | i'm installing a new debian box which has 16GB of RAM. should I keep the recommended default of 32GB of swap? |
| 09:14.47 | tralala | intore, do you have cifs-utils installed? |
| 09:14.49 | guardian | and hello, sorry |
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| 09:15.02 | rorx | tralala: yeah, since it didn't have the updates I should consider that a possibility I guess, even though it's only been up for a day.. so yeah, I'll image it again and apply the updates and see if that helps. |
| 09:15.03 | intore | yes! |
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| 09:15.07 | tralala | guardian, I stopped that long ago |
| 09:15.18 | tralala | I'd use 1GB of swap |
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| 09:15.42 | guardian | the box is a file server |
| 09:15.52 | guardian | nothing else but NFS or SAMBA is going to run on it |
| 09:15.59 | tralala | rorx, and make sure you use an auto-generated long&ugly root password |
| 09:16.24 | guardian | also, should I place the swap partition after other partitions like recommended? or rather move it before the root partition? |
| 09:16.32 | pietro | where is package xfsprogs 3.1.8? |
| 09:16.36 | pietro | on wheezy or sid |
| 09:16.36 | tralala | rorx, then I'd recommend entirely disabling password logins |
| 09:16.37 | guardian | "recommended" == what the installer does in guided partitionning |
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| 09:17.07 | intore | tralala, yes,: sudo smbmount //amahoro/user_data /mnt/samba/ |
| 09:17.12 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | tralala: thanks - I think cdimage.debian.org must've been down for maint earlier, as I tried to do that download about an hour ago, and the site was down. It's up now, thanks. |
| 09:17.17 | rorx | tralala: yeah, I normally do that. |
| 09:17.37 | rorx | tralala: sure appreciated your help, thank you very much. |
| 09:17.39 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | guardian: what's the role of the box? |
| 09:18.01 | tralala | rorx, drop a line if the problem is gone with re-imaging |
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| 09:18.08 | guardian | AndyDarcyJewell1: serving milliions (literally) of <4Ko files :/ |
| 09:18.17 | rorx | tralala: ok that may just take a few minutes actually.. |
| 09:18.28 | guardian | AndyDarcyJewell1: through NFS or SAMBA depending on speed |
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| 09:18.57 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | guardian: I'd avoid swap like the plague then |
| 09:19.02 | tralala | !versions xfsprogs |
| 09:19.26 | tralala | !version xfsprogs |
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| 09:19.44 | pietro | yes version xfsprogs |
| 09:19.51 | pietro | i have 3.1.7 |
| 09:19.53 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | guardian: once you start swapping more than a few gigabytes, in my experience, the system dive bombs (regardless of distro or os) |
| 09:19.56 | pietro | on march is out 3.1.8 |
| 09:20.03 | aznblur | anyone have any ideas as to what could cause very slow upload speeds over LAN? |
| 09:20.10 | guardian | AndyDarcyJewell1: in fact, we have 512GB in SSD RAID1for the data + 2TB to host the system, so amount of swap doesn't seem to matter apart from I just don't want to waste |
| 09:20.29 | guardian | AndyDarcyJewell1: and while we're at it, I don't know which filesystem to choose, I'll go ext4 I think |
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| 09:21.10 | AndyDarcyJewell1 | guardian: don't forget to tweak your main filestore for small files then |
| 09:21.35 | guardian | AndyDarcyJewell1: is it something I need to do before copying the data? (sorry never did that before) |
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| 09:23.45 | intore | tralala, the error is mount error: could not resolve address for amahoro: Unknown error |
| 09:24.31 | intore | tralala, the hostname of the server is amahoro, i don't understand why this error |
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| 09:26.33 | tralala | intore, this means that it's a dns problem and not a samba one |
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| 09:27.32 | intore | tralala, mmm, could you tell me how to find and fix the problem? |
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| 09:28.53 | intore | tralala, hostname gives amahoro |
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| 09:30.03 | tralala | intore, is this a LAN? |
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| 09:30.24 | intore | tralala, yes |
| 09:30.28 | tralala | home or office? |
| 09:30.44 | intore | office |
| 09:31.01 | lasers | /25 |
| 09:31.51 | tralala | and amahoro is a debian box? |
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| 09:32.14 | intore | tralala, yes |
| 09:32.31 | tralala | is it registered with the DNS server? |
| 09:33.42 | intore | in my lan i haven't a dns server |
| 09:33.55 | tralala | so you use the ISP-s dns? |
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| 09:34.10 | intore | yes |
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| 09:35.15 | tralala | then you have to use either: an IP, an entry in /etc/hosts or run a local dns server |
| 09:35.35 | tralala | which one is best depends on your needs |
| 09:36.02 | rorx | tralala: it works! |
| 09:36.10 | tralala | great! |
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| 09:36.54 | rorx | tralala: I re-imaged, but it still behaved the same way. then I immediately applied the updates like last time.. still noticed no change, but then I rebooted (as the kernel was updated) and it worked fine after that. |
| 09:37.10 | tralala | oh... |
| 09:37.15 | tralala | that's strange |
| 09:37.17 | rorx | so apparently something in the kernel probably was the problem. |
| 09:37.37 | tralala | I don't think so |
| 09:37.44 | rorx | sure is odd that the host isn't using an up to date image though, as the default one clearly has a problem. |
| 09:38.17 | crose | hello, sometimes when launching audacity on my debian squeeze I lose sound and I have to restart alsa, could anyone help me find out what's the problem ? |
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| 09:38.39 | BenNZ | if ive changed the ssh port to 2222 , when using rsync am i able to use rsync -options /path/to/file user@ip.address:2222:/path/to/file or do i have to use rsync -options --rsa='ssh -p1981' /path/to/file user@ip.address:/path/to/file |
| 09:39.06 | tralala | rorx, I've never had this problem with any debian version, so it must be something else |
| 09:39.15 | rorx | It would be interesting to see what was addressed in the kernel update to see. It's clearly a xen specific kernel.. I assume it's a DomU one. |
| 09:39.39 | intore | tralala, thanks, using the ip it works |
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| 09:39.52 | dokma|2 | what is the root password for a system installed with debootstrap? |
| 09:39.57 | tralala | I can't imagine how the kernel would do something like that to sshd |
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| 09:40.40 | rorx | yeah, true.. there were several updates.. guess there's no way to get that list now. |
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| 09:40.51 | ksk_ | dokma|2: i dont think there is one |
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| 09:40.52 | tralala | I have domU machines and they never behaved like that |
| 09:41.11 | dokma|2 | I can't login no matter what I try |
| 09:41.11 | ksk_ | take a look at /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, if theres an "!" at the password field its disabled |
| 09:41.22 | dokma|2 | not even when I try to set one from a chroot |
| 09:41.34 | ksk_ | that should work |
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| 09:42.12 | tralala | if the password is disabled maybe setting it won't enable it |
| 09:42.37 | dokma | just a sec |
| 09:42.49 | tralala | passwd -u? |
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| 09:44.01 | dokma | - /etc/shadow contains the password |
| 09:44.34 | tralala | try passwd -u |
| 09:45.26 | dokma | still login incorrect for both the root and the ordinary user |
| 09:45.33 | dokma | tried passwd -u root |
| 09:45.38 | dokma | passwd -u user |
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| 09:46.34 | tralala | that's in a chroot, right? |
| 09:46.48 | tralala | make sure you're not updating the wrong installation |
| 09:47.55 | dokma | yes, it's in a chroot |
| 09:47.58 | dokma | I'll recheck |
| 09:49.11 | tralala | how are you trying to login? |
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| 09:50.39 | dokma | I've booted the installation with VirtualBox so I am at the console |
| 09:50.48 | dokma | tty1 |
| 09:51.17 | tralala | do you have a bootloader? |
| 09:51.40 | dokma | grub2 is in MBR and it pulled the kernels from main partition and from this new one |
| 09:51.55 | dokma | I obviously booted into the one where debootstrapped install is |
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| 09:53.07 | dokma | to be more precise, the machine is booted normally from the first partition. then from that instance I started VirtualBox and booted into the second partition |
| 09:53.12 | dokma | but cannot login at the console |
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| 09:53.36 | tralala | dokma, boot again and pass init=/bin/bash to the kernel |
| 09:53.45 | tralala | from grub |
| 09:53.50 | dokma | ok |
| 09:53.54 | tralala | then set the password there |
| 09:55.29 | dokma | tralala: that would be linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/sda2 init=/bin/bash ?? |
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| 09:57.27 | tralala | yes |
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| 09:59.37 | dokma | I got: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 09:59.44 | dokma | passwd: password unchanged |
| 09:59.56 | dokma | and I'm also getting EXT3-fs error |
| 10:00.02 | tralala | does touch /test work? |
| 10:00.20 | dokma | says read only file system |
| 10:00.30 | tralala | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 10:00.36 | tralala | and then set the password |
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| 10:01.23 | dokma | say: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 10:01.28 | dokma | I'd like to do that first |
| 10:01.54 | tralala | you haven't mounted the fs twice, have you? |
| 10:02.06 | dokma | ehh... crap I did |
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| 10:03.01 | dokma | I'll just redo the debootstrap |
| 10:03.05 | dokma | and try again |
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| 10:03.26 | tralala | stop the VM, unmount it from the host fsck it and try the VM boot again |
| 10:04.18 | tralala | and in order to avoid problems like that it's better not to use hard disk partitions for VMs |
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| 10:17.17 | b52 | whats the preferred way to create multiple device for multiple ipv4/6 addresses? each interface should have an v6 and a normal v4 addr |
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| 10:21.51 | ChrisH | b52: ? One IP (V4/V6) per NIC? |
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| 10:28.46 | b52 | no |
| 10:28.56 | b52 | its xen guest running debian |
| 10:29.35 | b52 | our guest got three different ips and i would like to create one device (eth0..) per ip (v4 and v6) |
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| 10:30.03 | tralala | b52, so you want three virtual nics? |
| 10:30.53 | b52 | yeah i guess so |
| 10:31.01 | tralala | or six? with separate v4 and v6? |
| 10:31.38 | tralala | will all of them end up on the same physical nic? |
| 10:31.38 | b52 | noch three |
| 10:32.03 | b52 | i dont know how mich physical nics the xen host got |
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| 10:33.02 | tralala | is the host not under your control? |
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| 10:36.10 | Sevet | how many NICs do you see within the xen guest? 1 or 3? (doesn't really matter how many the host has, since it's on the ones you see that you'll be assigning ips) |
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| 10:39.04 | b52 | tralala: nop |
| 10:39.14 | b52 | Sevet: one, i setup the slave devices like this |
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| 10:40.02 | Sevet | see the 2nd example in this section (the up/down method): http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
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| 10:40.16 | b52 | http://paste.xinu.at/xmqd/ |
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| 10:40.52 | b52 | that are the resulting interfaces http://paste.xinu.at/Zk3/ |
| 10:40.58 | Sevet | right, that should work too (but is being phased out - see the link) |
| 10:41.19 | b52 | yeah i already saw the link |
| 10:41.29 | b52 | and i tried to do the way they described it, wait |
| 10:41.58 | b52 | paste.xinu.at/DmH/ |
| 10:41.58 | Sevet | for ipv6 i put a 2nd similar entry in with "iface eth0 inet6 static" |
| 10:42.32 | b52 | but while i tried to use the new approach, the server was unresponsive after a /Etc/init.d/networkng restart |
| 10:42.46 | b52 | im also not sure if thats the correct way to resetup the interfaces |
| 10:43.08 | Sevet | try the up/down method with the /cidr suffix |
| 10:43.31 | b52 | cidr ? |
| 10:43.35 | Sevet | that's the only difference i see between your 2nd config and the wiki example |
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| 10:45.12 | b52 | is it correct to simply restart networking ? |
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| 10:46.47 | Sevet_ | b52: cidr is the /24 part in the example, /24 is 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:46.58 | b52 | yeah, the subnet thingy |
| 10:47.03 | b52 | got that |
| 10:47.33 | Sevet_ | your example shows your netmask is 255.255.255.192, so try adding /26 to the ips in the up/down lines |
| 10:48.02 | b52 | its not the same for all ips |
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| 10:48.11 | b52 | some also need a different gateway |
| 10:48.14 | tralala | b52, you can create a script that does all the "ip addr add" commands and hook it with post-up |
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| 10:48.15 | Bot-mrma | i'm having trouble connecting to a remote linux using ssh and key-based authentification, trying to connect vith verbose option produces http://pastebin.com/3FxUtYp7 , can anyone help me debug it ? Connecting to target machine from a nother linux station works, so i presume local machine has a problem |
| 10:48.24 | Sevet | ok, that's why you can set it in there |
| 10:48.29 | Sevet | so they can have a different |
| 10:48.45 | tralala | b52, then you simply start it by hand to see if it works - no need to restart/reload the interface |
| 10:48.46 | Sevet | without it they're probably added as /32 (255.255.255.255) |
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| 10:49.21 | koobs | Any package commiters around? Or debian-python-team ? |
| 10:49.25 | mmaksimov | Hi. After installing a system with only root user (no normal users created during installation) then running useradd zzz; passwd zzz I've got a user without home dir. Is there an easy way to initialize existing user's home? I've created one manually but it's empty and life does not seem good without the minimal bash profile e.g. tab-completion :( |
| 10:49.46 | tralala | mmaksimov, use adduser for adding users |
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| 10:50.06 | ChrisH | mmaksimov: remove the user, read the man page and find a -m option |
| 10:50.11 | b52 | Sevet: ill paste the new interfaces with the information about the ips in a few minutes |
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| 10:50.25 | koobs | mmaksimov; theres a switch to useradd, probably -m |
| 10:50.50 | mmaksimov | ChrisH, koobs, thanks, I'll look it up |
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| 10:52.13 | Sevet | as for the multiple gateways, that'll be harder. you'll want to play with route on up/down to update the route tables to add the extra default gateways, and specify the source for each |
| 10:52.18 | tralala | Bot-mrma, is the correct key selected? is it added to the .authorized_keys on the server? are you logging in with the correct user? |
| 10:52.25 | Sevet | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 is old but might be a start |
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| 10:52.43 | Sevet | personally, i haven't done that part |
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| 10:53.05 | Sevet | without any playing with route you should have no problems reaching servers in the same networks though |
| 10:53.34 | Bot-mrma | tralala: I've tried recreating and adding new keys, while deleting old keys, i'm using correct user, and key is added to authorised keys list. |
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| 10:54.55 | tremon | Bot-mrma: check the the permissions on ~/.ssh and its files on the server |
| 10:55.15 | Bot-mrma | tremon: what should the correct permissions be ? |
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| 10:55.57 | Bot-mrma | ATM i have "drwx------ 2 root root 1,0K .ssh" |
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| 10:56.07 | colo-work | hi there |
| 10:56.21 | tremon | 700 for the dir, 600 for the files. I think you may get away with 644 on the public parts |
| 10:56.27 | colo-work | anyone of you keeping SSH pubkeys in an LDAP schema for use with openssh on Debian? if so, how? |
| 10:56.29 | tralala | Bot-mrma, what's the output with only one -v? |
| 10:57.21 | tremon | also, sshd logs to auth.log by default |
| 10:57.32 | koobs | colo-work; puppet. :) |
| 10:57.51 | colo-work | koobs; no. :) |
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| 10:58.26 | koobs | colo-work; automate all the things :D |
| 10:58.33 | koobs | i should practice what i preach |
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| 10:59.27 | Bot-mrma | tralala, i've corrected the permissions to 0700 / 0600 and retried connection, with same lack of result, there are no log entries with matching timestamp in auth.log |
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| 11:00.43 | Bot-mrma | tralala: one-v output is http://pastebin.com/eShYrz05 |
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| 11:01.30 | tremon | Bot-mrma : Host key verification failed. |
| 11:01.33 | tralala | Bot-mrma, here's your problem |
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| 11:02.26 | Bot-mrma | tremon: not sure what it means, i've created the keypair, and inserted the public part to target server, not sure what else t do ? |
| 11:02.41 | tremon | that's user key, not host key |
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| 11:02.48 | Bot-mrma | following same procedure i'm able to connect to target machine froma different host |
| 11:02.50 | tralala | Bot-mrma, it means that your .ssh/known_hosts has a different key for this server |
| 11:02.55 | tremon | check ~/.ssh/known_hosts (on the client) and remove the key for 22.178 |
| 11:03.17 | Bot-mrma | known_hosts is empty |
| 11:03.36 | tralala | Bot-mrma, this _could_ mean a man in the middle attack by the way |
| 11:03.51 | tralala | Bot-mrma, on the *client* |
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| 11:04.49 | Bot-mrma | tralala: both machines have empty files, it populates after i make one successfull connection, not before, right ? |
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| 11:05.14 | tralala | yes |
| 11:05.21 | tralala | after you accept the host key |
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| 11:06.17 | b52 | Sevet: http://paste.xinu.at/ujwcf/ what would be the /cidr thingy for this ipv4? |
| 11:06.45 | Bot-mrma | tralala:i'm not geting to that part. I create keypait, export public part to target PC , after connect try i get output i pastebined. |
| 11:07.02 | Bot-mrma | no interaction ( you accept the key yes/no) at all |
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| 11:07.24 | tralala | Bot-mrma, and you can connect to this server from another client? |
| 11:07.39 | Bot-mrma | yes, i can also make a key based auth. with success |
| 11:07.47 | mutante | Bot-mrma: there may be user and global known_hosts . in user homes .ssh but also /etc/ssh/ |
| 11:08.18 | Bot-mrma | mutante: i commented out the global key config in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 11:08.18 | tremon | Bot-mrma: forget the key-based auth. Can you connect from this client to this server with password auth? |
| 11:08.53 | Bot-mrma | tremon: not sure how to force password usage from comand line, it now defaults to key that fails |
| 11:09.04 | tralala | Bot-mrma, your problem has nothing to do with key-auth. For whatever reason your client cannot verify the host key of the server |
| 11:09.07 | Sevet | b52: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing#IPv4_CIDR_blocks |
| 11:09.37 | Bot-mrma | tralala: what can i do to debug it, logs on both sides are empty |
| 11:09.39 | tralala | Bot-mrma, I suggest you revert all ssh config on the client and try again |
| 11:09.53 | mutante | b52: the number of bits you want to use for the network part of the IP |
| 11:10.12 | Bot-mrma | tralala: client beeing server i connect to ? i cant do that because i have other servers sucessfuly connecting there |
| 11:10.38 | tralala | Bot-mrma, no client not being the server |
| 11:10.48 | Bot-mrma | as for reseting machine i connect from, i already reinstalled clean whole ssh package |
| 11:10.57 | tralala | the client being the machine you're connecting _from_ |
| 11:11.29 | muskatnuss | maybe move to #openvpn :) |
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| 11:11.55 | b52 | Sevet: so i would write 95.129.55.168/27 ? |
| 11:12.06 | tralala | Bot-mrma, 1. apt-get remove --purge openssh-client, 2. mv ~/.ssh ~/.ssh-old, apt-get install openssh-client |
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| 11:12.55 | Sevet | b52: yes |
| 11:13.00 | Bot-mrma | tralala: i'l get back in a few minutes , after doing that |
| 11:15.08 | muskatnuss | is it common to use simple italbes for securing a root server or are there usefull scripts out there for doing so ? |
| 11:15.26 | muskatnuss | im just reading myself in and well i wonder about how many ddos protection routines exist |
| 11:16.25 | tralala | muskatnuss, none |
| 11:16.55 | b52 | Sevet: i just tried the ip addr add command by hand and i can access the server by the new ip without specifying a gateway |
| 11:17.23 | muskatnuss | well i like it to play with iptables and the logging function :) it really is fun |
| 11:17.25 | Sevet | gateway is only needed if you want to access anything from that ip that is not on the same network |
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| 11:17.54 | muskatnuss | thanks tralala i will put on my own few commands to standardize my security on root servers |
| 11:18.13 | b52 | Sevet: how could i test that? |
| 11:18.32 | muskatnuss | though i wont trust what i dont understand |
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| 11:19.02 | tremon | muskatnuss: what's your definition of a root server, or why are you running your own? |
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| 11:19.19 | koobs | lol root servers. |
| 11:19.29 | tralala | muskatnuss, so you're running you own software on your own hardware then? |
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| 11:21.11 | Bot-mrma | tralala: seems that a nother reinstall of ssh package helped ( that or moving the ssh config dir and creating new) , thank you |
| 11:21.53 | tralala | Bot-mrma, you're welcome |
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| 11:23.25 | muskatnuss | well tralala, tremon i just put together an machine and send it to an fast internet connection i run debian sqeueeze on it and well i call it my root server |
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| 11:23.33 | muskatnuss | more to come in the near future |
| 11:23.49 | muskatnuss | what i want to do is to provide an vpn service for family and friends |
| 11:23.50 | b52 | is that legit as well? ip addr add 2a03:2900:2:1::78/64 dev eth0 label eth0:0 |
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| 11:24.14 | koobs | openvpn epic. |
| 11:24.41 | koobs | tinc is cool too. it will come down to the clients you want to suppose |
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| 11:24.44 | tremon | muskatnuss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_server |
| 11:25.07 | tremon | hence my question |
| 11:25.43 | koobs | dns root server != root server :] |
| 11:25.45 | muskatnuss | oh well that kicks me out of my way |
| 11:25.57 | muskatnuss | dns is well something i know about |
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| 11:26.07 | muskatnuss | but its new to me to call an dns server - root server |
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| 11:26.34 | koobs | its specifically a dns 'root' server. |
| 11:26.46 | koobs | a dns server holding the ROOT zone. |
| 11:26.49 | muskatnuss | well yes i got it :) |
| 11:27.02 | koobs | http://www.root-servers.org/map/ |
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| 11:27.12 | koobs | epic. |
| 11:27.15 | muskatnuss | its not in my mind to set one up. just a dns 'root' server user |
| 11:27.21 | muskatnuss | *an |
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| 11:28.48 | muskatnuss | this is surely epic |
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| 11:30.34 | tralala | muskatnuss, I'm still not sure what is the connection between ddns, iptables and the vpn server you want to setup, but I for one use shorewall instead of iptables directly. It has the logging you seem to be after as well. |
| 11:31.47 | muskatnuss | just wanted to know if its the common way to build up iptables on your own... cause i think shorewall is something based on iptables isnt it ? well if so i will stick to iptables :) |
| 11:32.44 | muskatnuss | logging function is not that necessary just instead of dropping all packets i dont want i sometimes log them and to later pick out the ones i dont want to get dropped ... thats i way i use to build my iptables setup for now |
| 11:32.53 | muskatnuss | its the only way i know so far |
| 11:33.36 | muskatnuss | and well the iptables setup is for securing my vpn server i set up outside of my home country |
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| 11:34.30 | muskatnuss | and though there is running bind9 on it to forward fresh dns to my vpn clients |
| 11:34.36 | muskatnuss | got nothing to do with ddns |
| 11:34.47 | muskatnuss | thoug hits not an root dns ;) |
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| 11:34.57 | b52 | im curious, why doesnt the ipv6 addr are listed below eth0:0 but instead they are shown at eth0 if i issue ifcnfig |
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| 11:36.07 | Dagger2 | b52: labels (the :0) are deprecated and are a hack used by ifconfig for IPv4 because it doesn't support multiple v4 addresses per interface |
| 11:36.09 | tralala | muskatnuss, shorewall is a frontend for iptables and it has a lot of defaults that will secure your server more than you will unless you're an iptables guru |
| 11:36.21 | b52 | Dagger2: whats the proper way to do it? |
| 11:36.25 | Dagger2 | b52: it does support multiple v6 addresses, so the v6 addresses all show up on the interface itself |
| 11:36.57 | tralala | muskatnuss, and it's easier to use and it allows you to focus on your high-level network needs |
| 11:37.32 | tralala | muskatnuss, in other words a perfect match for what you want, but you're entitled to think otherwise |
| 11:37.33 | joltcan | b52: shouldn't you just add -6? ip -6 a a... |
| 11:37.53 | joltcan | b52: ignore me. Thats for route |
| 11:39.04 | Dagger2 | b52: `ip addr add 192.0.2.1/24 dev eth0`... but of course multiple v4 addresses won't show up in ifconfig, which is a bit of a pain (you should be using `ip` for setting config, but ifconfig has much nicer output for seeing how your interfaces are configured, so I prefer it to show all my addresses` |
| 11:39.10 | Dagger2 | s/`$/)/ |
| 11:39.11 | b52 | Dagger2: there is no benefit in having multiple interfaces for multiple ips ? |
| 11:39.39 | Dagger2 | b52: they're not multiple interfaces, they're just a hack to get multiple addresses to show up in `ifconfig` |
| 11:39.45 | b52 | ah ok |
| 11:39.47 | b52 | i see |
| 11:40.00 | Dagger2 | (that's why they don't work in iptables, for instance) |
| 11:40.10 | b52 | so if a programm accepts an interface to bind the addr, eth0:0 will bind to ALL ips ? |
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| 11:40.41 | marekw2143 | hi, do if I have insgtalled debian stable, may I access packages from sid ? |
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| 11:41.33 | Dagger2 | b52: I'm not sure how that'll work. you can't bind to interfaces in general (only IPs), so the exact behaviour will depend on how the application interprets the input |
| 11:41.39 | d4Mn | marekw2143 u will probably get lot's of errors because of dependencies |
| 11:41.49 | d4Mn | but yes u can |
| 11:41.55 | muskatnuss | tralala thanks nice explanation - i will sure have look into shorewall, if its what you say im excited! |
| 11:42.09 | tremon | marekw2143: it's possible but not recommended. /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:42.10 | muskatnuss | well though im not an iptables guru im still learning and watching my packets flow :) |
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| 11:42.58 | mutante | muskatnuss: just to throw another one in. fwbuilder.org (and package name) |
| 11:43.08 | marekw2143 | d4Mn, tremon : thanks, I'll try to compile mono from source, if will not be able to do that then I'll install sid |
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| 11:43.58 | Dagger2 | just for reference you can add these labeled IPs with ip by doing `ip a a 192.0.2.1/24 broadcast 192.0.2.255 dev eth0 label eth0:0`, which is a bit of a pain but at least means you can see the IPs in `ifconfig` |
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| 11:44.21 | Dagger2 | and you don't have to bother with any of this for IPv6, since ifconfig supports multiple v6 addresses on one interface |
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| 11:45.20 | Dagger2 | (and just for reference #2, you can usually drop the -6 in ip if it's obvious which family you're talking about, e.g. `ip route add 2001:db8:0::/48 via 2001:db8:ffff::1/64`) |
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| 11:46.01 | muskatnuss | mutante thanks but though fwbuilder is not what im looking for, also i dont like their webpresence ... |
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| 11:48.18 | muskatnuss | well that hits me in an question i wasnt able to solve so far... is masquerading and snatting the same or is it totally different |
| 11:48.38 | muskatnuss | i ran into that problem a month ago on an friends vps there was no masquerading available |
| 11:49.11 | tremon | muskatnuss: masquerading is snat+connection tracking+dnat |
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| 11:51.07 | muskatnuss | so one would prefer masquerading ... ah damnit i set up his fw with just sourcenatting ... well it works as expected but im not sure about security issues there |
| 11:51.58 | muskatnuss | thanks tremon i will give masquerading a read |
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| 11:54.39 | tremon | there's not that much to it. the purpose of masquerading is to provide make the internal network opaque to the outside, so connections from inside appear to originate from the firewall (snat), but responses to connections still reach the inside network (dnat). The hairy part is with stateless protocols |
| 11:54.39 | Dagger2 | uh, MASQUERADE doesn't involve DNAT. there's a description on the manpage: it's SNAT with the source addess being picked from the outgoing interface, plus any tracked connections are dropped when the interface goes down |
| 11:54.58 | tremon | Dagger2: are you sure. How does it handle returning packets then? |
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| 11:55.44 | tremon | studies iptables' manpage |
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| 11:56.32 | Dagger2 | tremon: the same way SNAT on its own does |
| 11:56.56 | tralala | that's correct there isn't dnat in masq |
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| 11:57.21 | tremon | ah... that's cheating... snat says "all future packets in this connection will also be mangled" ;) |
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| 11:57.26 | tralala | the destination is prepared on the client and never changed |
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| 11:58.20 | tralala | oh, scratch that |
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| 11:58.37 | tremon | so yes, masquerading doesn't involve dnat but only because snat already provides the mechanism to mangle returning packets |
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| 11:59.13 | Dagger2 | tralala: the destination on the response packets gets rewritten, but that's less DNAT and more "unNATing" |
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| 11:59.56 | tremon | yeah, I get it :) undoing an snat is not the same as dnat |
| 12:00.20 | tremon | just never realized snat provided the reverse mangling on its own |
| 12:00.34 | b52 | Dagger2: i see |
| 12:00.41 | b52 | thanks for the heads up |
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| 12:01.45 | muskatnuss | nice thanks for that conversation brought me forward |
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| 12:02.04 | muskatnuss | so there isnt that a big gap between snatting and masquerading |
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| 12:02.25 | muskatnuss | just the connection tracking feature |
| 12:02.31 | tralala | there is |
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| 12:02.51 | tremon | muskatnuss: the difference is that snat assumes a static outgoing ip address, while masq uses the interface's current address |
| 12:02.52 | Dagger2 | muskatnuss: and the automatic source address selection. use SNAT if you have a static address, and MASQUERADE if not |
| 12:03.01 | tralala | with snatting the replay packet will not return to the originating host |
| 12:03.37 | tremon | looks very confused now |
| 12:04.24 | tralala | or rather the originating interface |
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| 12:04.34 | muskatnuss | ahh really nice explanation! thanks Dagger2 , tremon |
| 12:04.37 | lilibox | hi |
| 12:04.46 | tralala | well... it's a bit more complicated than that |
| 12:04.56 | muskatnuss | ive got static adresses :) so well i will stic to simply using snat |
| 12:05.24 | Dagger2 | tralala: or rather, you can pick the source address, so you can set it to something silly (say, 1.1.1.1) and you'll never get the response back |
| 12:05.38 | Dagger2 | tralala: but if you set it to your own address, you will |
| 12:05.43 | lilibox | does anybody so kind to help me with proxy? i am looking for something like tinyproxy but can handle https, tinyproxy had problems with standard libc looks like |
| 12:05.46 | lilibox | thank you much |
| 12:05.51 | lilibox | and please no squid |
| 12:06.13 | koobs | lilibox; 3proxy |
| 12:06.29 | koobs | lilibox; forward or reverse? |
| 12:06.49 | koobs | caching or not caching? |
| 12:07.10 | tralala | snat simply changes the sender label of the envelope. What happens next depends on the circumstances. |
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| 12:07.40 | lilibox | dunno, i am less than average user, i used tinyproxy for common http and https with almost standard settings, but my previous debian had patched libc6 soo https worked |
| 12:07.45 | lilibox | not caching |
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| 12:07.51 | tralala | where masq changes the sender but makes sure to deliver any replies back to the original sender |
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| 12:08.01 | koobs | lilibox; do you want to proxy TO the internet, or proxy for a set of internal servers for ourside clients? |
| 12:08.25 | lilibox | to internet |
| 12:08.28 | koobs | 3proxy |
| 12:08.29 | koobs | :) |
| 12:08.53 | koobs | its very liightweight, and im pressy sure it supports epoll() (at least it supports kqueue on freebsd) |
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| 12:09.32 | lilibox | ok, thank you, some competitor - redhat user - recommended me the same proxy |
| 12:09.41 | koobs | hehe at competitor |
| 12:09.44 | lilibox | it is proof it may be good :) |
| 12:09.50 | koobs | im a "competitor" too - freebsd :) |
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| 12:10.01 | koobs | details on how to build it on debian: http://verhoum.livejournal.com/15986.html |
| 12:10.02 | b52 | Sevet: thats what i came up with, and it seems to work if i do it manually by hand http://paste.xinu.at/bLlS4e/ |
| 12:10.06 | tremon | koobs: that's heathen, not competitor ;) |
| 12:10.16 | koobs | shush ;) that heathen is helping you ;) |
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| 12:10.25 | koobs | well, not you, apologies :) |
| 12:10.26 | tremon | :) |
| 12:10.32 | b52 | the only thing i miss is how to specify the different gateway for eth0:0 |
| 12:11.25 | koobs | while the heathen is here though, i had two major fails today on debian, stopping auto start/restart/stop of services on install/upgrade/remove, and pylibmc is broken (missing sasl dep) |
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| 12:11.47 | fasta | How do I control the generation of core dumps? |
| 12:11.53 | koobs | if anyone has any clues |
| 12:11.59 | muskatnuss | tralala, so long every connection i made outside returned well back in to my client behind with SNAT and i already got 6 clients behind that 1 static ip ... got no troubles so long so i though think SNAT is capable of deliver back the right packets and detranslate de ips |
| 12:12.08 | koobs | fasta /etc/rc.conf DUMPDEV="NO" |
| 12:12.12 | tremon | b52: what's your usecase? normally, there's only one network address and gateway on each network segment |
| 12:12.16 | koobs | oops, thats freebsd. :] |
| 12:12.30 | koobs | tremon; SBR ;) |
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| 12:12.37 | b52 | tremon: look at the comments, that are the ip definitions the hosting company supplied |
| 12:12.50 | b52 | the ips including netmask and gateway |
| 12:12.51 | lilibox | well, it is my nature, i join chan, ask questin and flamewar begin :) |
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| 12:16.40 | tralala | muskatnuss, I'm not sure what you're doing but it sounds like you're doing it wrong. |
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| 12:17.44 | tremon | I see... given my limited knowledge I fail to see how that'll ever work on a single network segment, unless you've been given separate vlans, but their notation suggests virtual addressing, not separate interfaces |
| 12:17.52 | tremon | b52: ^^ |
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| 12:18.46 | b52 | tremon: the weird thing is, that all ips work without specifying the different route |
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| 12:19.07 | tremon | that's not weird to me :) |
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| 12:20.42 | tremon | goes to fetch his netmask calculator |
| 12:20.51 | muskatnuss | tralala well im running an openvpn server, about 6 clients in an subnet lets say 10.0.0.0/29 every one needs to connect to the internet via one static ip adress on the vpn server so i SNAT them through iptables |
| 12:21.16 | tralala | fasta, with sysctl |
| 12:21.20 | b52 | tremon: why do they state a different gateway for the second ip although it works with the default one? |
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| 12:23.33 | muskatnuss | tralala: i dont think im doing anything wrong it works :) i just wondered if i leak anywhere cause im not able to use masquerading there |
| 12:24.26 | tremon | b52: both 95.129.55.224 and 95.129.55.200 refer to the network 95.129.55.192/26 |
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| 12:24.44 | b52 | tremon: its baout the *.168 |
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| 12:25.34 | giantkiar | hi there |
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| 12:27.17 | tremon | b52: 95.129.55.168 is in the 95.129.55.160/27 network, and should be able to reach 95.129.55.193 by itself. Can you show your routing table? |
| 12:27.28 | tremon | s/be able/not &/ |
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| 12:30.30 | Sevet | b52: all ips will work because outbound they'll go through the 1 default gateway, which is ok if it allows it... the return route will come through the normal gateway so will still arrive at the correct ip |
| 12:31.08 | Sevet | but that does mean all your outbound traffic would be using one gw, unless you configure the routing tables to take source into account |
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| 12:33.11 | guardian | what could be the reason? that debian squeeze box doesn't have a tmpfs /tmp, is it something I should add myself to /etc/fstab? or should it be part of init scripts? |
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| 12:34.24 | tremon | guardian: add it to fstab yourself. There is /etc/default/rcS but it's deprecated in wheezy |
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| 12:35.58 | guardian | tremon: also not strictly a debian distro, i have this other box running linux mint debian edition (based on testing), and it has a tmpfs /tmp but there's nothing in /etc/fstab. so where is the /tmp definition in that case? |
| 12:36.59 | tremon | guardian: I've given you two locations where it could be in Debian. If it's not there is mint, I wouldn't know |
| 12:37.07 | tremon | s/is/in/ |
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| 12:41.09 | guardian | tremon: ok so in wheezy I should add it to /etc/fstab manually right? |
| 12:41.19 | tremon | yes |
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| 12:42.52 | tralala | guardian, I have tmpfs on squeeze |
| 12:43.14 | tralala | it's in /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
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| 12:45.02 | guardian | tralala: but it's for /dev/shm right? |
| 12:45.07 | guardian | tralala: not /tmp? |
| 12:45.30 | b52 | tremon: routing table http://paste.xinu.at/hSvt/ |
| 12:45.47 | guardian | in fact my /etc/default/tmpfs just has "SHM_SIZE=" and no "TMP_SIZE=" maybe that explains |
| 12:45.53 | b52 | Sevet: so i could configure a route only for this specific ip ? |
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| 12:48.45 | tremon | b52: routing table entries are per destination, not source. But if your current setup works, why insist on using the second gateway? |
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| 12:49.27 | guardian | i have another question, after having installed debian from the install cd, I realize I installed grub on the MBR of the wrong drive. I booted the box but I want to change grub's location. what should I use? dpkg-reconfigure something? |
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| 12:50.21 | dvs | guardian: grub-install /dev/sd# |
| 12:50.32 | guardian | thank you |
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| 12:51.05 | dvs | no prob |
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| 12:52.59 | dokma | tralala: what you suggeste worked |
| 12:53.00 | b52 | tremon: cause maybe it wont work anymore in the feature |
| 12:53.04 | b52 | *future |
| 12:53.05 | dokma | tralala: thanks a bunch! |
| 12:53.28 | dokma | tralala: you also mention it is bad to boot VM off of a partition. why is that? |
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| 12:54.05 | tralala | guardian, yes for /dev/shm |
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| 12:54.35 | tralala | guardian, oh wait, no |
| 12:54.41 | tralala | this file is for /tmp |
| 12:54.55 | tralala | but there's another for shm: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh |
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| 12:55.37 | tralala | dokma, because you can easily end up doing a double mount and damaging your filesystem |
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| 12:56.24 | tremon | b52: ask your isp (or a network channel) for more info. As I said, it makes no sense to me to configure two separate network addresses on the same network segment. How does your provider expect you to use it? |
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| 12:58.34 | Sevet | b52: are you wanting one gateway to act as a backup? |
| 12:58.58 | b52 | Sevet: no, im just trying to setup all ips i received from my hoster |
| 12:59.11 | Sevet | ok, just use the one then |
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| 12:59.21 | Sevet | if they're the same network segment there's no reason not to use the 1 default gateway |
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| 13:10.38 | sweb | for installation debian on my desktop with minimum requirement, i need just CD 1 ? |
| 13:10.54 | giantkiar | sweb: sure |
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| 13:13.17 | giantkiar | sweb: apps, fun and more |
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| 13:17.23 | zykotic10 | sweb: personally I like using the netinstall cd myself, only what you actually want ;) |
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| 13:21.21 | digdilem | i tend to view everything that isn't the netinst cd image as only for use on computers without any internet connection, or if I have a fat connection somewhere and a thin one at target |
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| 13:22.58 | giantkiar | sweb: I like netinst too...but you need a fat connection! |
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| 13:23.08 | guardian | under debian, if i mount a reiserfs partition like this: /dev/sdxx /data reiserfs defaults 0 0 |
| 13:23.10 | guardian | how do I know whether it's using ordered, journal or write_back? |
| 13:23.36 | xand | murderfs! |
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| 13:23.46 | tremon | xand: #ot |
| 13:24.02 | tremon | guardian: hopefully it's in man mount |
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| 13:25.50 | Hlas | Hi everybody. I have a question about udev (first time playing with it). How can I verify my rule took place? Is it okay to have something like RUN+="mkdir /home/user/whatever/"? Therefore, by creating a folder, I could be sure rule took place. THX. |
| 13:25.51 | Sevet | guardian: afaik ordered is the default |
| 13:27.31 | Sevet | and no it's not documented in man mount - there's a bug for that since 2006 #372110 |
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| 13:27.42 | guardian | tremon: it's not in fact. I just found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372110 |
| 13:27.47 | Sevet | but you can apparently specify it with data=journal|ordered|writeback |
| 13:27.52 | guardian | ah yeah what Sevet said |
| 13:27.56 | Sevet | :) |
| 13:27.57 | thewanderer1 | hi. how would I specify that I want to see deps from Wheezy with debtree? |
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| 13:28.20 | Sevet | 2006 seems a long time for that not to have been updated, seems a simple enough change... |
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| 13:33.34 | colo-work | does anyone of you in here use AoE (ATA over Ethernet)? |
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| 13:43.27 | _ramok | hi |
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| 13:43.37 | _ramok | does anyone know if there is a nodejs package for debian squeeze? |
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| 13:49.13 | somiaj | looks like there is only one in squeeze, maybe you could backport it |
| 13:49.18 | somiaj | ,check-backport nodejs |
| 13:49.51 | judd | Backporting package nodejs in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libv8-dev (>= 3.7), libssl-dev (>= 1.0.0g), libev-dev (>= 1:4.11), libc-ares-dev (>= 1.7.5), openssl (>= 1.0.0g). |
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| 13:50.25 | somiaj | nope looks like it will be a pain to backport |
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| 13:54.24 | mrtnt86 | I have a headless server with non-mounted NTFS partition. Is it possible to check the size of this NTSF file system? I tried with "ntfsinfo -i 1 /dev/sda1", but this didn't gave me the size of the file system? |
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| 13:59.13 | dvs | mrtnt86: "df -h" doesn't work? |
| 13:59.31 | dvs | oh nonmounted. Nevermind |
| 14:00.01 | tremon | mrtnt86: size of filesystem is partition size or used space ? |
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| 14:01.26 | mrtnt86 | tremon: I would like to see both. I guess for latter I need to mount the partition. |
| 14:01.57 | tremon | I think so, the former can be inferred from partition table |
| 14:02.16 | tremon | it's enough to mount read-only though |
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| 14:02.50 | sweb | zykotic10: i have just 512kbps net speed :( |
| 14:03.28 | mrtnt86 | tremon, dvs: looks like for unmounted file system the "ntfsinfo -m /dev/sda1" shows the file system size. |
| 14:03.49 | tremon | mrtnt86: size of filesystem is partition size or used space ? |
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| 14:04.34 | mrtnt86 | tremon: my NTFS file system is lot smaller than the partition size |
| 14:05.18 | tremon | so, which one does ntfsinfo -m show? |
| 14:05.55 | mrtnt86 | tremon: it shows the filesystem size. It doesn't touch the partition table. Latter can be viewed with fdisk for example. |
| 14:06.36 | tremon | so filesystem size == used space ? |
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| 14:07.21 | mrtnt86 | tremon: no :) File system size can be far larger than the used space on this file system. |
| 14:07.57 | tremon | I'm asking about your terminology, not your disk |
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| 14:08.55 | mrtnt86 | well "ntfsinfo -m /dev/sda1" displays the filesystem size not the used space on this file system. |
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| 14:10.14 | tremon | where filesystem size == max amount of data that can be stored on filesystem? |
| 14:10.39 | dsdeiz | hi, any ideas how to install dwb on squeeze? |
| 14:11.00 | mrtnt86 | tremon: yes |
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| 14:11.32 | somiaj | ,versions dwb |
| 14:11.33 | judd | Package: dwb on i386 -- sid: 20120402hg-1; wheezy: 20120402hg-1 |
| 14:11.43 | somiaj | ,check-backport dwb |
| 14:11.45 | judd | Backporting package dwb in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev. |
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| 14:12.09 | dsdeiz | yeah that's what i get when building from sid |
| 14:12.12 | somiaj | dsdeiz: looks like it depends on gtk-3.0, which isn't in squeeze, so it won't be an easy backport. You could do it, but it will take some work. |
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| 14:12.23 | tremon | mrtnt86: thank you |
| 14:12.33 | somiaj | dsdeiz: you will have backport a lot of gtk3. |
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| 14:13.24 | dsdeiz | ah well looks like that's gonna be a pain. any other alternatives to dwb aside from uzbl? a lightweight webkit browser w/ vi bindings :D |
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| 14:19.18 | thewanderer1 | dsdeiz: perhaps some Chromium extension? Chromium itself is pretty light, it worked fine on a P3, 256MB |
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| 14:19.57 | dsdeiz | yeah i got vimium installed |
| 14:20.01 | KSHawkEye | Hello, I'm trying to get internet access on my debian machine but I can't seem to. ifconfig shows no eth0 |
| 14:20.10 | dsdeiz | hm, i'l prolly try surf |
| 14:20.29 | thewanderer1 | KSHawkEye: does "ifconfig -a" show it? |
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| 14:21.21 | KSHawkEye | thewanderer1: yes, it shows as eth1, but i have no Internet access |
| 14:21.53 | tremon | any opinions on the reliability of ext4 online resize? I need to grow a partition but can't currently back it up in entirety. Should I get a new backup disk first or is the operation safe? |
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| 14:22.57 | thewanderer1 | tremon: while I have done online resizes of ext4 fine, never proceed without backups |
| 14:23.13 | tremon | realizes that the partition is on lvm |
| 14:23.17 | thewanderer1 | KSHawkEye: are you using DHCP? is /etc/network/interfaces configured properly? |
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| 14:24.19 | tremon | thewanderer1: thanks. I'll get a backup disk first. Do you think using an lvm snapshot will work? |
| 14:24.45 | thewanderer1 | tremon: as backup? |
| 14:25.07 | tremon | yes, to revert to if it destroys my data |
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| 14:25.09 | thewanderer1 | it should do, just make sure it doesn't get erased (i.e. nothing claims that space) |
| 14:25.42 | tremon | ok thanks, might try that. never used lvm snapshots before though |
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| 14:26.12 | somiaj | dsdeiz: vimprobable and vimprobable2 should compile on squeeze |
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| 14:26.29 | thewanderer1 | in general, snapshots are treated as unimportant as LVM and it will remove them when something else needs the space |
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| 14:26.39 | thewanderer1 | s/as LVM/by LVM/ |
| 14:26.41 | somiaj | dsdeiz: very simple light weight browser, when you compile it, it makes a single binary you could just manually copy to /usr/local/bin (though I put it in $HOME/bin on my system and have that in my path) |
| 14:27.02 | dsdeiz | ohhh yeah i forgot about that. thx! |
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| 14:27.41 | tremon | thewanderer1: ouch, that sounds hurtful. Should be good, I have 300G unused space in my lvm, I don't expect resize2fs to write that much metadata (resizing from 1 -> 3 TB) |
| 14:27.51 | sary | Salutation. |
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| 14:30.41 | sary | I'm on testing/wheezy , and unable to pull some packages .. am i missing something in apt/sources.list http://paste.debian.net/167152/ |
| 14:31.35 | ChrisH | tremon: I did ext3 resize quite often, honestely never did an _extra_ backup before. I am unsire if I have ext4 in place. |
| 14:32.04 | dvs | sary: What error message are you getting? |
| 14:32.18 | tremon | sary: that file looks good, maybe the mirror is currently being updated |
| 14:32.59 | sary | dvs: No errors so far , just can't find some packages .. for example gnome-tweak-tool . |
| 14:33.18 | dvs | ,version gnome-tweak-tool |
| 14:33.19 | judd | Package: gnome-tweak-tool on i386 -- sid: 3.2.2-3; wheezy: 3.2.2-3 |
| 14:33.42 | ChrisH | tremon: And I am using snapshots each night for backup on different hosts |
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| 14:34.29 | tremon | ChrisH: great, sounds good. Do you know if snapshots are internally consistent wrt the filesystem, or should I sync before taking the snapshot? |
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| 14:37.14 | sary | teratoma: thank you , perhaps .. cdn is the closest to my graphical location . |
| 14:37.41 | ChrisH | tremon: checked my script. What it does is, lcvreate snapshot, mount snapshot /snaps/shots ; logreply gets done automatically. |
| 14:37.48 | dvs | sary: cdn chooses another location. You can manually enter the country code closest to you |
| 14:38.39 | sary | dvs: Alright , will try .. |
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| 14:39.42 | Guthur | some changes were made to me installation using xrandr to try and display on a second monitor, now I have no window decorations and the panels on xfce4 seem to be ignored |
| 14:40.00 | Guthur | any ideas how revert what has changed |
| 14:40.03 | tremon | ChrisH: great, if you can create backups from snapshot that should mean they're consistent. Now I'll just have to find out how to revert in case of emergency |
| 14:40.13 | sary | also , im using Gnome and the shell looks okay .. but is it normal the the package "gnome" not installed ! |
| 14:40.30 | Guthur | the commands were not ran as root or anything so it's baffling me how it manage to persist the changes |
| 14:40.37 | nsadmin | Guthur, how to revert what you did depends on what you did |
| 14:40.45 | tremon | Guthur: xrandr invocations are not persistent, so restart X should be enough |
| 14:41.04 | dvs | sary: gnome is a virtual package so it doesn't have to be installed |
| 14:41.19 | Guthur | tremon: unfortunately a reboot leaves the same problem |
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| 14:41.46 | Guthur | nsadmin: someone else did the commands, but I may have some still in my terminal history |
| 14:42.30 | Guthur | xrandr -q --output CRT1 --auto --right-of LVDS |
| 14:42.30 | Guthur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.47 | Guthur | that was one of the commands though I can not see how that causes this issue |
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| 14:43.09 | nsadmin | Guthur, if a reboot leaves the same problem, then someone must have done something persistant, like edited a config file |
| 14:43.38 | nsadmin | you might want to ask him for a list of things he did |
| 14:44.15 | Guthur | nsadmin: not as at a conference, but I was right beside him any he only seemed to run a couple of terminal commands |
| 14:44.17 | Guthur | all xrandr |
| 14:45.08 | karlpinc | tremon, ChrisH : If not read the irc history, but have comments. If you want to ensure consistency when backing up lvm snapshots you need to wait until there are no open files in the snapshot. Also, you're not going to get a consistent backup of a database (mysql, postgres, etc.) without using the db dump tools -- unless you shut down the database to make sure everything is flushed to disk. |
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| 14:45.38 | sary | dvs: ah , got it . |
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| 14:45.50 | dvs | yay |
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| 14:45.51 | mah454 | Hello .... |
| 14:45.55 | mi3 | hello |
| 14:46.06 | mah454 | How can upgrade package with apt ? |
| 14:46.26 | mah454 | this command is true ? "apt-get upgrade package" |
| 14:46.28 | mi3 | I have installed debian on my machine, but there is not network manager, can some one tell me how to install it? |
| 14:46.41 | nsadmin | apt-get install <package> |
| 14:46.48 | nsadmin | no |
| 14:46.59 | tremon | karlpinc: thanks for that, was aware of the database issue. In my case, it's a collection of read-mostly files (cd and dvd rips) |
| 14:47.01 | mah454 | nsadmin, this command can upgrade package ? |
| 14:47.05 | karlpinc | mah454: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade; This upgrades everything. |
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| 14:47.21 | karlpinc | !tell mah454 about stable |
| 14:47.26 | nsadmin | if an upgrade is available FOR YOUR VERSION OF DEBIAN, yes. |
| 14:47.31 | karlpinc | !tell mah454 about overview |
| 14:47.33 | mi3 | I need some suggestions, so that I can get nm-applet on my debian os |
| 14:47.47 | mah454 | karlpinc, no no , only upgrade some package . |
| 14:48.20 | mah454 | I use debian testing |
| 14:48.20 | karlpinc | mah454: Why would you want to do that? If you don't upgrade everything you don't get security fixes. |
| 14:48.20 | mi3 | nm-applet as well as the network-manager!! |
| 14:48.27 | sary | I'm in the Middle East , Saudi Arabia , there no mirrors in/for Middle East .. so the closest to my location should be China or Japan i guess. |
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| 14:48.55 | nsadmin | karlpinc, testing has security support? |
| 14:48.56 | dvs | sary: apt-spy can tell you |
| 14:48.58 | karlpinc | mah454: Oh. Testing. Just give it the package name, but it might also update other stuff if there are required dependences, and this can break other parts of the system. That's the problem with testing. |
| 14:48.59 | babilen | mi3: You want network-manager-gnome in that case. See also http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 14:49.03 | tremon | mah454: apt-get install <pkg> will update if it's already installed |
| 14:49.04 | mah454 | karlpinc, I use debian testing in laptop , I have not any security package . |
| 14:49.08 | mah454 | ok |
| 14:49.12 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I didn't know he was using testing. |
| 14:49.24 | mi3 | babilen, is the nm-applet installed by default? |
| 14:49.38 | babilen | mi3: It is part of the -gnome package, yes. |
| 14:49.43 | sary | dvs: nice , but command not found . |
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| 14:50.03 | dvs | ,version apt-spy |
| 14:50.04 | nsadmin | mah454, alternatively you can try aptitude install <package> |
| 14:50.04 | judd | Package: apt-spy on i386 -- lenny: 3.1-19; squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1 |
| 14:50.04 | hadba | ? |
| 14:50.11 | babilen | mi3: See also "apt-cache show network-manager-gnome" |
| 14:50.12 | mi3 | babilen, well I can see the nm-applet neither can I see the network connections, what can be the problem? |
| 14:50.16 | karlpinc | sary: I like Germany for fast mirrors. Network-nearest is nice on the ISPs, but that's what you're paying them for so I often choose fastest instead of nearest. |
| 14:50.16 | ChrisH | karlpinc: I dump my MySQL into Filsystem. I use the snapshot for my cyrus IMAP Store |
| 14:50.27 | karlpinc | ChrisH: Perfect. |
| 14:50.34 | babilen | mi3: I don't know, what have you done? Why do you think that you should see the applet? |
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| 14:51.32 | mi3 | babilen, I just have a fresh installation, nothing else dude, I am worried a lot, have never faced this problem, I cant see the network applet, I seriously need help |
| 14:51.50 | mi3 | I am on windows machine, since the debian machine has no internet access |
| 14:51.51 | karlpinc | sary: If it's not there, install it. :) |
| 14:52.04 | mah454 | debian testing regenerated weekly ? |
| 14:52.17 | babilen | mi3: Is network-manager-gnome installed? Are you using Gnome? Is Gnome installed? How did you install the box? |
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| 14:52.37 | mi3 | I installed from flash drive, babilen |
| 14:52.37 | nsadmin | mah454, by the way, what has you running testing? |
| 14:52.39 | karlpinc | mi3: Do you have a wired internet connection or just wifi? |
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| 14:52.57 | mi3 | wired dsl connection, karlpinc |
| 14:53.09 | babilen | mi3: Which image did you use? Did you install the desktop task? What happens if you boot into Debian? Can you run Gnome? |
| 14:53.28 | nsadmin | what hardware handles the dsl itself? |
| 14:53.30 | sary | karlpinc: thats what i did with apt-get , but command not found. for some odd reason. |
| 14:53.41 | mi3 | I can run gnome, I downloaded the stable version iso, babilen |
| 14:54.04 | karlpinc | mi3: Then you're probably better off using the interfaces file instead of nm and just having your network come up on boot automatically. |
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| 14:54.28 | babilen | mi3: netinstall? cd1? dvd1? How do you connect via ethernet? Do you have a router that handles the PPPoE stuff or do you need to "dial in" from your computer? |
| 14:54.28 | mi3 | ooo, I want it graphically, please, karlpinc |
| 14:54.34 | karlpinc | !tell mi3 about interfaces |
| 14:54.36 | nsadmin | mi3, a question I asked you a few days ago: what hardware handles the dsl itself? |
| 14:54.53 | mah454 | nsadmin, debian testing kfreeBSD released at (30-Apr-2012 11:47) but for AMD64 released at (23-Apr-2012 06:29) !!!!! |
| 14:54.55 | karlpinc | mi3: Better answer babilen if you want his help. |
| 14:54.59 | mi3 | err my onboard adapter |
| 14:55.04 | mah454 | why ? |
| 14:55.24 | tremon | ChrisH, karlpinc: it appears lvm snapshot merge is only available since 2.6.33, but revert is simply a case of lvremove vg/orig_lv ; lvrename snapshot vg/orig_lv. Thanks for the help :) |
| 14:55.28 | mi3 | I enter my username, password and service name to log into the internet |
| 14:55.33 | babilen | mi3: Do you plan to connect to wireless networks? Do you plan to frequently connect to different networks or are you merely using your wired network connection? |
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| 14:56.02 | nsadmin | because we tend to assume that people who install testing and run into problems have enough knowledge to find and fix their problems |
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| 14:56.14 | mi3 | babilen, no, I will only use a single wired connection, now, I need that nm-applet, on debian, no matter what |
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| 14:56.30 | mi3 | which iso should I select in order to get the nm applet?? |
| 14:56.33 | babilen | mi3: "ALT-F2" ā "nm-applet" done (if it is installed) |
| 14:56.36 | nsadmin | mi3, a question I asked you a few days ago: what hardware handles the dsl itself? |
| 14:56.58 | mi3 | nsadmin, onboard realtek chipset |
| 14:56.59 | Lars_G | Has anyone here built iceweasel (12)? Any idea what base directory I need to decompress the l10n files in? I'm trying to deduce it from the l10n patch, but I'm failing misserably. .( |
| 14:57.10 | nsadmin | so you plug the phone line into that? |
| 14:57.11 | babilen | mi3: Do you have a router? (deja vu!) |
| 14:57.12 | ChrisH | tremon: ACK removing lvremove snapvol |
| 14:57.17 | mi3 | babilen, no |
| 14:57.25 | mi3 | just a stupid cat5e cable lol |
| 14:57.26 | babilen | mi3: You plug the phone line directly into your computer? |
| 14:57.41 | mi3 | its a cat5e but the settings are similar to dsl |
| 14:57.46 | nsadmin | mi3, what does that cat5 cable connect to? |
| 14:57.56 | babilen | "the internet" |
| 14:57.56 | mi3 | the adapater RJ45 |
| 14:58.00 | Riviera | haha |
| 14:58.14 | nsadmin | howbout the OTHER SIDE? |
| 14:58.27 | mi3 | other side??? |
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| 14:58.32 | ChrisH | tremon: http://pastebin.com/d7wbUe5s thats the main routine of my backupscript |
| 14:58.39 | babilen | a cable typically has two sides, yes |
| 14:58.54 | tremon | outside and inside? |
| 14:58.57 | nsadmin | mi3, listen to the question more cafefully, so far not answered. |
| 14:59.01 | nsadmin | mi3, a question I asked you a few days ago: what hardware handles the dsl itself? |
| 14:59.04 | mi3 | I need the nm-applet, just tell me how to install it or get it by default |
| 14:59.43 | mi3 | nsadmin, have we ever met on IRC, other then at this moment? cos I dont think so, and I dont know how to answer that question |
| 14:59.47 | babilen | mi3: It's on DVD1 and other CDs. Run "nm-applet" if you want to start it and make sure that network-manager-gnome installed. Please answer our question if you really want our help though. |
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| 15:00.09 | nsadmin | mi3, you have a phone line, yes? |
| 15:00.15 | mi3 | no |
| 15:00.26 | nsadmin | no? then how do you have dsl? |
| 15:01.05 | tremon | ChrisH: thanks |
| 15:01.34 | karlpinc | has dsl without a phone connection, delivered over phone company wires. |
| 15:01.35 | mi3 | well, the ISP provided me with servicename and username and password, and they connected my pc to the RJ45 with cat5e cable, and the internet works in ubuntu nicely once I fill in all the settings in the DSL connection, I dont know how to answer more properly |
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| 15:02.38 | nsadmin | ok, so you have an rj45 cable, one side goes into your machine... so far correct? |
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| 15:02.50 | mi3 | nsadmin, yes, correct |
| 15:02.50 | sary | http://paste.debian.net/167160/ |
| 15:03.14 | nsadmin | what do you plug the other side into? |
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| 15:03.39 | mi3 | I dont know, I will need to dig out the ground and find out |
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| 15:04.01 | nsadmin | into the wall? into another device? |
| 15:04.19 | karlpinc | sary: What's your sources.list look like? |
| 15:04.19 | ChrisH | mi3: Where you you live? Which ISP delivers RJ45 to the customer? |
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| 15:04.20 | mi3 | its somewhere in our building, I dont know where |
| 15:04.57 | Sevet | is there an equivalent to ${VAR//_/ } that works in dash? (converts "A_B_C" to "A B C") (without using an external comand such as sed) |
| 15:04.59 | mi3 | JUST TELL ME IN WHICH CD CAN I FIND NM-APPLET, THATS IT! |
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| 15:05.09 | mi3 | IS IT CD1, CD2, CD 3??? |
| 15:05.12 | themill | !cd contents |
| 15:05.12 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 15:05.22 | themill | Sevet: "sed" |
| 15:05.24 | b52 | # invoke-rc.d networking restart |
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| 15:05.25 | b52 | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
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| 15:05.29 | b52 | what should i use instead? |
| 15:05.37 | karlpinc | mi3: Didn't babilen tell you already? I thought so, could be wrong. |
| 15:05.51 | mi3 | so, its on DVD? |
| 15:06.00 | themill | b52: you should do whatever you actually want to do rather than some rather ill-defined "restart networking". |
| 15:06.10 | tremon | Sevet: I don't think ${//} is posix |
| 15:06.17 | Sevet | no, it's bash |
| 15:06.28 | tremon | there's no posix equivalent either |
| 15:06.30 | nsadmin | mi3 if you'll notice, you've been given a way to search the cd contents |
| 15:06.44 | sary | karlpinc: http://paste.debian.net/167161/ |
| 15:07.09 | tremon | the closest you'll get is $(echo $var | sed s/_//g) but you already discarded that |
| 15:07.23 | mi3 | I can see that |
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| 15:07.39 | nsadmin | ok, so use that to find the package you want |
| 15:07.48 | Riviera | Sevet: for single-character replacements you'd use tr (tr _ ' ') |
| 15:07.53 | Riviera | Sevet: otherwise sed, yes. |
| 15:08.00 | mi3 | ok, thanks, bye! |
| 15:08.04 | Sevet | ok, thanks |
| 15:08.10 | burhan | are there any recommended system monitoring tools that - DO NOT - rely on SNMP? |
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| 15:08.46 | karlpinc | burhan: smartmontools? What sort of monitoring? |
| 15:09.08 | burhan | application monitoring - on remote servers. |
| 15:09.13 | tharkun | Good $TIME, what is an efficient way to monitor an internet connection? |
| 15:09.27 | tremon | a webcam? |
| 15:09.33 | burhan | I have 8 debian servers that I need to keep track of (monitor), but I cannot use snmp due to network policies. |
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| 15:09.39 | karlpinc | sary: You're running testing. Lots of stuff gets updated all the time. So what's the problem? |
| 15:09.53 | themill | Sevet: you've just got to weigh using #!/bin/bash on the script vs external calls to sed (or just rewrite in perl...). Most of the time, it's not worth stressing over which of these options to choose because scripts aren't used in performance sensitive spots |
| 15:10.15 | babilen | mi3 will have a pleasant surprise when he realises that he probably needs network-manager-pptp-gnome which is on DVD2 ... but meh. That was too much work. |
| 15:10.23 | Sevet | it's for an embedded system... bash/perl is overkill |
| 15:10.28 | Sevet | but i guess i can put tr on it |
| 15:10.47 | karlpinc | burhan: mon could do monitoring. I don't think argus uses smnp. It all depends on what you want. Use <debtags> to search for tools. |
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| 15:11.57 | tremon | Sevet: embedded system with busybox? busybox sed can't be that large |
| 15:12.01 | burhan | !tell burhan about debtags |
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| 15:12.32 | sary | karlpinc: Correct , but when i selected Yes .. i got http://paste.debian.net/167163/ |
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| 15:13.19 | nsadmin | Sevet, right, or whatever have you... the thing that isn't likely to work, is using bash extensions to posix shells without putting #!/bin/bash on top of the script, even (especially) if /bin/sh is a link to /bin/bash (if bash discovers its name is sh, it behaves differently) |
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| 15:13.41 | burhan | karlpinc: I was looking at nagios but its a bit rough to setup. |
| 15:13.44 | karlpinc | sary: I don't know. |
| 15:14.06 | Sevet | tremon: busybox yep, nsadmin: i know it doesn't work, which is why i was looking for an alternative - using tr |
| 15:14.21 | karlpinc | burhan: (I'd use icinga over nagios if you're starting from scratch, just because that's what I've heard here. And I prefer free software.) |
| 15:14.24 | tremon | sary: aptitude changelog sudo, I guess root's path doesn't have /sbin |
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| 15:14.40 | karlpinc | burhan: Well mon is dead simple. |
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| 15:16.17 | Lars_G | Is there a debian "dev" channel? |
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| 15:16.27 | karlpinc | burhan: (Better, icinga is packaged for debian.) |
| 15:16.51 | karlpinc | Lars_G: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (oftc.net) is for people who want to package. |
| 15:16.57 | Lars_G | thanks |
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| 15:18.14 | tremon | sary: that's not really explicit, maybe I read it in readme.debian instead. Anyway, the default for env_reset has been changed, you need to configure secure_path |
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| 15:19.07 | karlpinc | burhan: (oops, so is nagios3, but it also has non-free components.) |
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| 15:21.07 | anebi | hi, i'm have created a file /etc/modprobe.d/contract.conf and i have inside options nf_conntrack_ftp ports=21,49152-65534, but strange that after server restart the module is not loaded. it looks like this new file is ignored at all. any idea how i can get it working? |
| 15:21.17 | anebi | i use debian squeeze |
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| 15:23.53 | sary | karlpinc: that's alright , am investigating .. |
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| 15:24.58 | sary | tremon: You're right , i must had kept the defualt one from squeeze when upgrading ! |
| 15:25.20 | sary | sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool apt-spy |
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| 15:25.51 | sary | Arr, |
| 15:26.15 | sary | this did it export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 15:26.22 | sary | Back on track .. |
| 15:26.40 | sary | no! .. hmm |
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| 15:27.46 | jdolan | anyone have a current testing 64 bit virualbox image i can snag? |
| 15:28.19 | montrealer | does xen take its time from CMOS or NTP ? |
| 15:28.40 | montrealer | xen on DEBian |
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| 15:29.50 | somiaj | jdolan: why not build one from debootstrap? |
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| 15:30.19 | jdolan | somiaj, i will if i have to. i'd rather save the time, that's all. |
| 15:30.34 | jdolan | i'm sure someone else is running testing in vbox. |
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| 15:31.23 | somiaj | it will be easier and better to build your own, I wouldn't trust some random image. (: |
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| 15:35.11 | sary | tremon: do you happen you know where i could ifng the redme file about confiugring secure_path . |
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| 15:40.29 | tremon | sary: the documentation itself is in man sudoers, the change should be documented in /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS |
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| 15:41.40 | tremon | sary: or NEWS.Debian |
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| 15:43.33 | sary | tremon: Thanks. i suspect something is wrong in sudoers http://paste.debian.net/167169/ |
| 15:43.56 | Devilholk | I dont remember the tool for changing mode of Wifi adapters. I want to make one an access point, what tool should I use? |
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| 15:45.04 | nvz | Devilholk: iwconfig <iface> mode <mode> |
| 15:45.13 | tremon | sary: yes there is |
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| 15:45.48 | nvz | Devilholk: if you use network-manager it does it automatically.. when I turn on my phone's wifi tether it shows up in n-m and I select it and the ad-hoc switch is automatic |
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| 15:46.24 | JJCale | hi |
| 15:46.34 | JJCale | I would like to navigate on the openbox menus with the directional keypad keys (instead of the arrow keys). Could someone teach me on how to do that, please? |
| 15:47.04 | nvz | JJCale: the number pad? |
| 15:47.06 | Devilholk | nvz: Thanks, iwconfig it was |
| 15:47.31 | nvz | JJCale: those ARE the arrow keys.. they send the same keycode when numlock is turned off |
| 15:47.40 | Devilholk | nvz: This is actually some ubunutu system and it has some gnome network manager that only shows the options ad-hoc or the other, normal one that I forgot what is is called |
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| 15:47.56 | JJCale | nvz: the keypad (I don+t use the numbers on it, only KP_Left, KP_Up, KP_Home, etc) |
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| 15:48.51 | nvz | JJCale: yes well they translate to the same thing when numlock is turned off, they work the same as the arrows or home/end/pgup/pgdn/del/ins and work the same as the real keys in any application |
| 15:48.59 | JJCale | nvz: No they don't. On openbox menus the nagitation keys of the keypad don't work (Yes, I now they work on almost anyother application) |
| 15:49.35 | nvz | shrugs.. well then openbox sucks |
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| 15:49.58 | nvz | sawfish is better, and the keys work |
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| 15:50.06 | JJCale | nvz: If the navigation keys of the keypad were working on the openbox menus, I would not be asking for help here :) |
| 15:50.19 | nvz | not to mention configuration happens in real-time with no need to load/edit/save/restart |
| 15:50.56 | nvz | JJCale: well the number pad has 3 modes in X11 and I wasnt sure if you were aware of that |
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| 15:52.58 | nvz | it functions as a number pad with numlock on, functions as keyboard navigation with it off, and regardless if its on or off, if you hit shift+numlock it becomes a mouse |
| 15:53.34 | JJCale | nvz: the navigation keys of the kepad are working. For instance, they are working on xchat, urxvt, vim, etc. But they are not working on the root-menu and other menus of openbox. That's whay I'm asking for help |
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| 15:54.08 | ska | Can I run a 32bit chroot in a 64bit debian 6? |
| 15:54.17 | JJCale | nvz: I now all that. Sorry but I think you are not reading what I'm saying carefully enough |
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| 15:54.42 | nvz | well I'd say you'd serve yourself best to go to an openbox channel, use google, or contact the mailing lists because nobody seems to know. My personal advice is to use something else.. I tried openbox years ago, went back to sawfish because its far better |
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| 15:54.45 | ksk | ska: yes, should work |
| 15:54.49 | ksk | why dont you just try it? |
| 15:55.25 | JJCale | nvz: But I can not enter the openbox channel because it is invite only! |
| 15:55.29 | ska | ksk: I don't have it installed yet. Its very old version of debian 32bit running on legacy stuff, but the software we have for it requires that old 32bit library. |
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| 15:55.45 | nvz | o.O |
| 15:55.48 | nvz | !openbox |
| 15:55.49 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:55.57 | ska | ksk: Once I get a 64bit system up I'll try.. |
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| 15:56.23 | nvz | JJCale: seems their official channel is not on this network |
| 15:56.45 | JJCale | nvz: Thank you for that information |
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| 15:58.16 | Guthur | returning to my xrandr issue earlier, is it normal to have a larger virtual desktop than monitor resolution |
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| 16:03.06 | nvz | Guthur: it is if you told a screen to go beyond what it can handle I suppose |
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| 16:03.42 | Guthur | yeah, I've read a little around the issue and it can be used in a dual monitor setup |
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| 16:03.46 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:04.08 | nsadmin | un |
| 16:04.47 | nvz | Guthur: mind you a "screen" is related to both the monitor and the video driver and its settings.. I hear a lot of people misunderstanding small netbook LCDs for example most of which can only do 1024x600 |
| 16:05.39 | Guthur | xrander outputs the following: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129285 |
| 16:06.06 | Guthur | nvz: I am having issue with my desktop since some xrandr tweaking |
| 16:06.36 | baltazor | Hello, I try install debian with help PXE (syslinux) , after booting server - navigation does not work and the choice of "debian installer main menu" , but another server - ok |
| 16:06.45 | Guthur | window management is pretty buffered, and there is no window decorations |
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| 16:06.55 | Guthur | buffered/buggered |
| 16:06.55 | baltazor | Why can this be? |
| 16:07.08 | baltazor | Debian 6.0.4 |
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| 16:07.39 | nvz | Guthur: another issue can sometimes be the dpi which will cause for example videos and images to appear out of ratio.. but that information in the paste doesn't really point to any specific issue |
| 16:08.11 | afidegnum | hello good morning all, pls my head is on fire. I don't know for the past 4 days, uploaded fiels can't go to the server. it shows files is uploading, and stops at 3% I have contacted my isp but no appropriate solution was given. I m using debian vps which I built myself. |
| 16:08.27 | Guthur | nvz: I wonder if I set my virtual desktop to match the screen res would it help |
| 16:08.40 | Guthur | do you know if this must be done in the xorg.conf? |
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| 16:08.49 | afidegnum | and I m using pureftpd server |
| 16:08.53 | nvz | Guthur: pretty much anything that can be done can be done with xrandr |
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| 16:09.50 | nvz | Guthur: --fb option I believe |
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| 16:11.20 | rorx | do most package names remain the same between v5 and v6? specifically the Apache 2 and PHP ones. I'm following a v5 web server setup guide and am wondering if the package names are applicable to my new v6 install. |
| 16:11.37 | Guthur | i tried --fb but it stayed the same |
| 16:11.43 | nsadmin | afidegnum, disk full? |
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| 16:12.05 | afidegnum | no |
| 16:12.20 | Guthur | this is the xrandr output: xrandr --output LVDS --rate 60 --mode 1366x768 --fb 1366x768 |
| 16:12.20 | Guthur | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.45 | Guthur | that was the xrandr command |
| 16:12.53 | Guthur | ignore the "this is..." |
| 16:13.01 | nvz | Guthur: you could also specify --panning which is usually the same as the --fb |
| 16:13.33 | nsadmin | afidegnum, checked proftpd logs? |
| 16:13.34 | nvz | Guthur: I suspect you're trying to make the screen do something it can't.. |
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| 16:14.13 | afidegnum | not even ssh is having problem connecting with the same timeout error |
| 16:14.39 | nsadmin | so, this is not just ftp |
| 16:14.41 | nvz | Guthur: more information about the hardware in question and what driver you're using would be helpful, checking the log wouldnt be a bad idea either |
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| 16:15.30 | nsadmin | this server is a remote? |
| 16:15.39 | afidegnum | yes, a remote vps |
| 16:15.43 | Guthur | nvs: i'll try to get some more info |
| 16:15.47 | Guthur | brb |
| 16:16.26 | nsadmin | what did the ISP say about the problem? |
| 16:17.37 | afidegnum | he asked me to provide a traceroute which i did and he said it was ok |
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| 16:21.39 | nvz | rorx: debian typically doesn't just change package names outright between two releases.. like in lenny there was gqview, in squeeze it became geeqie.. so gqview became a metapackage providing geeqie.. without doing that upgrades would break, and debian doesn't release broken stuff |
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| 16:22.51 | nvz | rorx: I think if I recall correctly there were two different versions of php in lenny, but you should have php5 regardless in squeeze I believe |
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| 16:23.49 | rorx | nvz: I see, so I think you're saying even if the name were to change a meta package is always included for the old name, to retain backward compat? |
| 16:24.05 | nvz | rorx: to facilitate upgrading, yes. |
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| 16:24.45 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 16:25.45 | TheWarden | I'm trying to create a custom bash prompt system wide. I've placed this code http://pastie.org/3854618 at the end of the these files /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/prompt.sh. All three didn't work for me. What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:26.16 | tremon | rorx: to add to that, packages that are intended to be co-installable /do/ get different names, like the python[23].x packages. A metapackage is provided that will automatically follow the "debian recommended" version |
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| 16:26.29 | TheWarden | btw, yes I did logout of my session and log back in for the changes to take affect however no I was still left with the default prompt. |
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| 16:26.34 | tremon | If you install the metapackage, upgrades will pull in the newer. If you install the versioned package without the metapackage, upgrades will not follow (obviously) |
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| 16:26.50 | nsadmin | afidegnum, I need to go out for a little while.... so far, the ISP claims the problem is in the server... have you had the server rebooted? (consider doing so). can you see whether (as root) iptables -L shows anything? Keep track of these answers... tcp has packets that ask to start a connection and packets that participate in the connection... maybe something's going on with the latter |
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| 16:27.50 | TheWarden | there must be some way to customize the shell prompt system wide on Debian |
| 16:27.50 | nsadmin | since he only asked for a traceroute, he's assuming that as long as the server can be reached, the ISP is doing their job |
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| 16:28.28 | rorx | tremon: is there a way to tell what meta packages are available? |
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| 16:28.58 | nsadmin | TheWarden, sure, put your prompt customization in one of the shell startup files in /etc (which you may need to become aware of and create) |
| 16:29.38 | tremon | ooh, good question. not sure if they're all tagged with role::metapackage |
| 16:29.52 | TheWarden | nsadmin: well that is what I thought I was doing with /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/profile and adding a file in /etc/profile.d/. None of them worked for me. |
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| 16:30.59 | nsadmin | none? hmm. are you the one that just has bash system-wide? |
| 16:32.45 | nsadmin | TheWarden, check /etc/skel/.bashrc and .bash_profile and see if either of these files set PS1 |
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| 16:33.14 | nvz | TheWarden: that sounds like a horrible idea.. the most that should even be possible is to customize the skeleton.. its against debian policy to fool with a user's configuration |
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| 16:33.45 | themill | TheWarden: setting the prompt system wide only works up to the point where my own .bashrc or .bash_profile sets it to somethihg else |
| 16:34.05 | nsadmin | themill, right, exactly where I was going |
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| 16:34.56 | TheWarden | nsadmin: well okay, the /etc/profile does set PS1 default. |
| 16:35.51 | nsadmin | TheWarden, some reference material: man bash, FILES section... this will tell you what bash reads when and under what conditions... it should add to the discussion... ttyl, I'ma be back in awhile |
| 16:36.08 | TheWarden | nvz: really, I'm surprised that would be against policy. I want it to be standardized for all servers so it consistent and provides the same look/info. |
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| 16:36.27 | TheWarden | nsadmin: okay thanks |
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| 16:37.02 | nsadmin | TheWarden, it's true, debian packages can't touch /home/* |
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| 16:37.09 | nvz | TheWarden: its agasint packaging policy for anything to modify any configuration for that matter, even global without asking.. and its against POSIX standard to not allow user configuration |
| 16:37.14 | TheWarden | themill: I was trying to set it in one place instead of having to ensure all accounts were the same. |
| 16:37.30 | TheWarden | nvz: I see |
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| 16:38.18 | themill | TheWarden: removing all initialisation like that from /etc/skel *prior* to creating accounts would do that. |
| 16:38.19 | nsadmin | packaging can't touch it, that doesn't mean programs in packages can't (like useradd for exampole) |
| 16:38.31 | TheWarden | well I'll read the man pages but I guess I'll just set the prompt in the skel and be done with it I guess. Just annoying to have to set this for every account instead of setting it once. |
| 16:39.00 | themill | TheWarden: (or put your customisation into /etc/skel, prior to creating account) |
| 16:39.09 | TheWarden | right but if you already have accounts, then one has to go to each one and change it. |
| 16:39.14 | nsadmin | OR add the PS1 setting to some file in /etc/skel, also prior to adding users |
| 16:39.20 | themill | TheWarden: of course. It's a user's setting. |
| 16:39.28 | nvz | yes the global defaults for user configurations are called the skeleton, in /etc/skel thats the most you should be able to impose on a user.. if you wanna be a nazi you could deny them write access to their own configs.. but thats insane. heh |
| 16:39.45 | nvz | because nothing a user does should be able to effect any other user anyhow.. |
| 16:39.53 | nsadmin | TheWarden, one can feel a bit better if the users on that box aren't actually used by people other than yourself |
| 16:40.06 | themill | I can see that having that stuff in /etc/bash.bashrc rather than /etc/skel might make more sense. |
| 16:40.31 | TheWarden | yeah but doesn't work in /etc/bash.bashrc based on my tests. |
| 16:40.36 | nsadmin | themill, and user customization scripts would run after that, yes? |
| 16:40.44 | TheWarden | I'll go back to the user level then. thanks. |
| 16:40.52 | nvz | notes nsadmin has been leaving for 20 min now |
| 16:41.10 | nsadmin | yeah, wanna get some food |
| 16:41.14 | TheWarden | were pulling him in |
| 16:41.15 | themill | TheWarden: /etc/bash.bashrc does work -- it's just that your ~/.bash{rc,_profile} is overriding whatever setting you had in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 16:41.36 | nvz | yeah.. sounds like a plan. I think I'm gonna go for a swim first.. its hot.. then eat.. |
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| 16:42.12 | nsadmin | nvz, have a good time |
| 16:42.14 | ggherdov | Hi all. I'd like to know what is the "debian way" to perform the following two operations: (1) change the keyboard layout, persistently and system-wide (for all users) (2) change persistently and for everybody the localization language (man page, GUI menu etc). My need is to switch to a US setup. The system is french. |
| 16:42.18 | TheWarden | nice to have that access to swim |
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| 16:42.43 | plm | Hi all |
| 16:43.02 | nvz | ggherdov: what does the output of locale say? |
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| 16:43.20 | ggherdov | nvz: checking... |
| 16:43.24 | ggherdov | orangeur |
| 16:43.26 | nvz | wonders if we need to go over again how bad of a thing overriding user configuration is |
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| 16:43.36 | ggherdov | sh!t sorry |
| 16:43.40 | plm | I have one psql exported dump so large, I would like to do a cat, just read a specific line, is possible? |
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| 16:43.58 | movl | plm: yes |
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| 16:44.27 | biesbjerg | Hi guys, I'm trying to setup Varnish to cache static resources (images and so on) by putting it in front of apache |
| 16:44.33 | plm | movl: how? |
| 16:44.40 | biesbjerg | Everything seems to be working (I get cache hits) but an apache bench shows that it isn't any faster than when I had apache serving the content |
| 16:44.40 | biesbjerg | On another server I have with varnish 2x I get almost 1000 req/s - on the install in question I get 160 req/s |
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| 16:44.44 | nsadmin | nvz, swim first, then go over again :) |
| 16:44.54 | TheWarden | nvz: I get your point on overriding user configuration, however you must admit there is a legitimate reasons at times one needs to system wide. Like ggherdov mentions. Users are not always gurus to handle it themselves. |
| 16:44.57 | biesbjerg | any idea what I might be doing wrong? |
| 16:44.59 | nvz | has been sweating it out for hours now |
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| 16:46.07 | sary | tremon: adding the line Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" .. to sudoers done it. |
| 16:46.21 | nvz | TheWarden: thats what the skeleton is for, to set up sensible defaults for users.. you can basically put anything you want in there.. if you want every user to have gay asian midget porn, you could do it.. |
| 16:46.38 | ggherdov | nvz: mind waiting? some voodoo is going on here. I'll be back shortly |
| 16:46.43 | plm | anyone know how read a specific line from a file? |
| 16:47.04 | TheWarden | nvz: yeah of course, but that is for only when creating new accounts. What about the times when one needs things done system wide for existing accounts? |
| 16:47.16 | movl | plm: how big is the dump |
| 16:47.18 | movl | ? |
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| 16:47.52 | XonXor | Hi I have a problem when viewing flash movies in full screen. The quality is choppy, with low fps. I have an ATI radeon 4600 with drivers installed and I also have flashplugin-nonfree installed. |
| 16:49.10 | nvz | TheWarden: as the admin you can do anything.. its rather trivial to do a one liner to remove the users config reverting them back to the default in /etc/ |
| 16:49.39 | mcsmurf | hi, I wanted to empty the trash of another user on Lenny (will update soon :), so I used this command: "sudo rm -rf /home/user/.local/share/Trash/*" |
| 16:49.42 | nvz | TheWarden: any user who doesnt know they can delete their configs to reset to system defaults probably doesn't deserve to be using the system |
| 16:49.45 | tremon | TheWarden: have you considered adding cp -R /etc/skel/* $HOME into /etc/bash.bashrc? Or, for that matter, ln -sf /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc ? |
| 16:49.56 | mcsmurf | the command immediately returns though, am I using the wrong command? |
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| 16:50.18 | sary | Running testing , how to check if a package is save to be remove ! |
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| 16:50.59 | TheWarden | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.04 | nvz | TheWarden: if you're really that concerned tremon's idea works.. if the admin makes links to /etc they can't do it anymore.. cause the links and files are owned by root and read-only implementing a global configuration |
| 16:51.05 | sary | I mean , with apt-get The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 16:51.28 | tremon | sary: from Debian pov, anything that's not priority:essential can be removed |
| 16:51.42 | nvz | its in strict violation of just about every policy document ever written, the FHS, POSIX standard, you name it.. but as the admin, thats your choice |
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| 16:52.04 | tremon | sary: if they're library packages, don't worry. If they're applications, ask your users whether anyone uses them |
| 16:52.16 | TheWarden | nvz: lol easily said but reality it isn't that way. Granted I agree one using such a system should be more educated vs a typical Windows user. Just saying at times a system wide changes are necessary from a admin/management position. |
| 16:52.26 | sary | tremon: Alright . |
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| 16:53.08 | sary | tremon: Okay , you made i clear to me . |
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| 16:54.10 | somiaj | TheWarden: though since any user could easily change any setting you put in .bashrc why are you trying to force a paticular setting? |
| 16:55.26 | nvz | TheWarden: and its entirely doable but in ways that don't undermine the entire concept the OS was built upon.. system settings are just that.. a user should be free to override those without effecting the system or anyone else on it.. and if it doesn't effect anyone, it doesn't really matter. As an admin you'd be the one responsible for fixing their broken configs and if it became a pain in your behind you can just be a nazi about it and link their configs not a |
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| 16:55.53 | TheWarden | somiaj: well after what is being said I'm not now. The rest was just a valid point I was mentioning and one that ggherdov gave is to me legit. Forcing it permanently is a whole different store. |
| 16:56.08 | sary | tremon: but i must say i really don't know what Debian pov is .. |
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| 16:56.28 | tremon | pov = point of view |
| 16:57.12 | tremon | I meant that you won't break the system by following apt's advice |
| 16:58.01 | sary | tremon: Got you :) |
| 16:58.50 | TheWarden | nvz: I agree... I'm not saying to make it permanent just change current account setting(s) system wide. However I do see some settings that one may want to fix permanently such as in the GUI set the screen saver delay and to lock desktop at a set duration of inactivity or if a timeout for shell sessions. |
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| 16:59.16 | TheWarden | nvz: it would in those cases be all for security reasons. Not being a nazi but being practical. |
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| 17:01.22 | tremon | TheWarden: changing a user's LANG is for security? |
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| 17:03.30 | somiaj | any setting a user can change cannot be permanently fixed, so setting reasonable defaults is all you can do. |
| 17:03.34 | mcsmurf | btw: I solved my "sudo" problem myself, of course ;) shell expansion (of *) happens before running sudo |
| 17:03.49 | dia72 | can i ask something its someone make my understand how run this game )) |
| 17:03.54 | TheWarden | I meant my suggestions, ggherdov is just a change that needs to be done system wide not permanently. |
| 17:03.54 | mcsmurf | so the shell could not expand as me as a user cannot read the other users homedir, only after sudo I could |
| 17:03.58 | somiaj | mcsmurf: yea it can be a pain if using sudo to 'peak' into unprivlaged directories. (: |
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| 17:04.36 | mcsmurf | heh ;) |
| 17:04.55 | dia72 | its someone who speaks rumenien ? i that liite need help .... |
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| 17:05.07 | TheWarden | lol to eaches own and I get all your points but it amazes me how one is not getting my side of the point. Yes they are user settings but like the ones I mentioned there is times they need to be changed and should be an option to make the fixed. heck if I had say 100s to 1000s of users |
| 17:05.35 | laite | Hi, is there some way to get notification (mail/RSS/etc) when certain package (in this case 'nvidia-glx') is updated? |
| 17:05.57 | TheWarden | use a system, I would want to make sure they lock automatically or timeout for security reasons. No user should have access to change that else you will see systems sitting there with insecure sessions via the shell or GUI. |
| 17:06.13 | somiaj | dia72: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Official_Debian_IRC_channels - on irc.oftc.net there may be a support channel in your language. |
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| 17:06.33 | somiaj | laite: for squeeze, sid, etc? |
| 17:06.48 | dokma | I've finally managed to boot a remote VM on a Debian box. I switched from NAT to Host only adapter so that I can SSH into it. But now once I'm in I can only reach back to the host machine but not further. |
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| 17:07.01 | laite | somiaj: preferably for wheezy, but sid is fine too |
| 17:07.05 | dokma | Do I need to allow something on the host machine to be able to get past to the internet? |
| 17:07.07 | dia72 | tks so much babe y ar soo gentile realy i for frist time here hope i not crazy lady |
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| 17:07.35 | somiaj | laite: Check the different mailing lists, I cannot think of a clear way to go about this though. |
| 17:07.44 | laite | will do, thanks |
| 17:08.01 | ggherdov | nvz it was you who picked up my question? I had to power-cycle ang lost IRC logs. My locale: http://pastebin.com/JbtS2f2i |
| 17:08.13 | somiaj | laite: though since nvidia-glx is a transitional package, probabaly not the best one to track anymore. (: |
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| 17:08.52 | scwizard | what's a good program to redirect output to to log it? |
| 17:09.09 | scwizard | I can redirect the output to a file of course, but then when I want to rotate the log it's a problem |
| 17:10.00 | ggherdov | plm: if you're still on the "read one line from file" thing, http://linuxcommando.blogspot.fr/2008/03/using-sed-to-extract-lines-in-text-file.html |
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| 17:10.28 | tremon | scwizard: /dev/log? |
| 17:10.59 | scwizard | ok sure a thing exists |
| 17:11.23 | scwizard | very neat, so stuff piped to /dev/log gets mannged by syslogd? |
| 17:11.29 | somiaj | laite: http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html (I'm only seeing things like debian-changes for say the stable/oldstable release |
| 17:11.33 | scwizard | or whatever alternative you're using? |
| 17:11.37 | tremon | yes |
| 17:11.43 | ggherdov | reposting: what is the debian way to change persistently and system-wide language and keyboard layout? |
| 17:12.06 | somiaj | laite: you may have to subscribe to all bugreports contaning that package (lots of times updates are listed there), there is also the QA page. But still don't see any way to do what you want simplary |
| 17:12.30 | laite | Heh, found a rss for it! (http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html) |
| 17:12.32 | scwizard | tremon, echo "blah blah blah" > /dev/log gives me "-bash: /dev/log: No such device or address" |
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| 17:12.52 | laite | 'news' is available as rss there |
| 17:13.44 | tremon | hmm... that's odd, so does mine. I've used it before... |
| 17:14.27 | somiaj | laite: yup that is the QA page, (: |
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| 17:15.08 | tremon | scwizard: piping into /usr/bin/logger still works for me, though |
| 17:15.23 | scwizard | ok neat, that will do fine |
| 17:15.33 | Big_Brother | Diopter: the guests being windows/linux, yes. |
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| 17:17.44 | sistematico | Hello all. |
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| 17:19.51 | sistematico | I am using the squeeze put'm trying to install the tint2 wheezy or sid, and I came across this error: http://paste.debian.net/167184/ |
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| 17:20.38 | sistematico | My /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/167183/ And /etc/apt/preferences: http://paste.debian.net/167182/ |
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| 17:21.18 | sistematico | I'm trying to use apt-pinning to do it. |
| 17:21.22 | sistematico | Anyone can help? |
| 17:21.47 | tremon | sistematico: paste apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy tint2 |
| 17:22.33 | tremon | sistematico: your problem is likely going to sound like "multiarch" |
| 17:23.21 | sistematico | tremon: apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/167185/ |
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| 17:23.26 | bit0 | hello, how could I compress into a tar.gz file a directory with "hidden" files (.git)? I don't want to compress the hidden ones. Thanks in advance |
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| 17:23.56 | sistematico | tremon: apt-cache policy tint2: http://paste.debian.net/167186/ |
| 17:23.59 | somiaj | bit0: man tar (look for --exclude options) |
| 17:24.59 | seaaaaannn | Hi, is there a way for me to reset X to the defualt? I added some themes and changed some icons and rebooted, now it says X cannot be found (or something along those lines, I'm not at my desktop) and I am unable to get to the login screen. I really don't want to reinstall debian and redo all the software I added but I feel like its my only option |
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| 17:25.05 | themill | sistematico: "don't do that" is the answer... if you really want a newer tint2, try making a proper backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:25.11 | somiaj | bit0: so tar --exclude=.??* xcvf foo.tar.gz bar/ (something like that I think) |
| 17:25.35 | somiaj | bit0: though be careful, don't want the shell to expand the wildcards first. |
| 17:26.34 | somiaj | seaaaaannn: best to figure out what is wrong. Can you hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console? |
| 17:27.30 | bit0 | somiaj, thanks a lot!! |
| 17:27.34 | deed02392 | hi guys, I'm trying to fix my debian bootloader. It broke when I did a P2V conversion (in the VM it's broken). I tried booting from a live cd and installing grub, but it just boots to a grub prompt now. What can I do from here? |
| 17:27.37 | tremon | sistematico: pin-priority 0 isn't allowed, either use 1 or -1. But that won't solve your immediate problem, which is " tint2 Depends libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0) ; libpango1.0-0 PreDepends multiarch-support" which will not install unless your upgrade libc6 and libgcc from testing too |
| 17:27.46 | seaaaaannn | somiaj: no sorry, I'm away from my desktop....I guess I'll re-ask this question when I get home |
| 17:27.49 | tremon | s/your/you/ |
| 17:28.08 | sistematico | tremon: hummm. |
| 17:28.11 | tremon | sistematico: look for a backport, or do a source-build yourself |
| 17:28.20 | tremon | !check-backport tint2 |
| 17:28.23 | deed02392 | oh tremon you're here |
| 17:28.31 | deed02392 | i have managed to install grub |
| 17:28.37 | sistematico | tremon: I try with pin-priority 500 and 600. |
| 17:28.37 | deed02392 | but it's not configuring correctly |
| 17:28.51 | somiaj | seaaaaannn: what did you do is the real question? Changing themes/icons should only be done as a user, and you should not mess with X at all (i.e. the X cannot be found error doesn't seem to releate to what you were doing) |
| 17:29.01 | sistematico | tremon: Only add backport line in sources.list and run? |
| 17:29.34 | somiaj | teratoma: its , for judd |
| 17:29.37 | somiaj | tremon: ^^ |
| 17:29.40 | somiaj | ,check-backport tint2 |
| 17:29.42 | judd | Backporting package tint2 in sidāsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 17:29.47 | tremon | thx :) |
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| 17:29.54 | seaaaaannn | somiaj: I know, that's what confused me. I only added things to the .themes and .icons files, nothing more. Then I changed the themes/icons in the appears settings. Then I reboot and I can;t login because something happened with X |
| 17:29.58 | tremon | ,versions tint2 |
| 17:29.59 | judd | Package: tint2 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-2; sid: 0.11+svn20111022-3; wheezy: 0.11+svn20111022-3 |
| 17:30.09 | tremon | sistematico: it isn't in backports |
| 17:30.10 | seaaaaannn | somiaj: I get a blue screen with an error message in the middle |
| 17:30.15 | tremon | !tell sistematico about ssb |
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| 17:30.22 | nvz | ggherdov: as I figured, you have a french locale |
| 17:30.28 | nvz | !locales |
| 17:30.28 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 17:30.34 | somiaj | seaaaaannn: sounds to me like something else went wrong, did you do an upgrade, install/remove any software since your last reboot? |
| 17:30.49 | seaaaaannn | somiaj: negative, nothing at all |
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| 17:31.20 | tremon | deed02392: that's way too little information for anyone here to help. error messages? command output? |
| 17:31.21 | ggherdov | nvz: so I have to change the locale. Is this going to fix the language or the keyboard issue? |
| 17:31.31 | somiaj | seaaaaannn: well when you get to your desktop, try to get some logs, exact errors, come back here and people can give better help over just guessing. |
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| 17:31.39 | deed02392 | ok tremon, well there are no errors, both grub-install and update-grub say they complete successfully |
| 17:31.45 | seaaaaannn | somiaj: ok, thanks |
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| 17:32.09 | deed02392 | the way I got to run them was by booting into a live cd, chrooting into the OS and install grub packages (from lenny repos), installing grub, then running update grub |
| 17:32.30 | deed02392 | i'm looking at the grub.cfg file though, and there are two empty sections, 10_hurd and 10_linux |
| 17:32.33 | Section58 | hi guys, i have an issue where my server hangs. all the ram and cpu is taken and load rises to 160. i have been unable as yet to find out why this happens, as access to the box becomes limited. is there a cool way of logging the current proccess useage to view from a future date to see this process thats breaking everything ? |
| 17:32.37 | deed02392 | my figuring is they shouldn't be empty... |
| 17:32.37 | nvz | ggherdov: well that will change the language, keyboard is done two different ways, one for X and one for console |
| 17:32.47 | nvz | ggherdov: console method is done by dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 17:32.48 | sistematico | tremon, themill, somiaj, judd: Ok, thank you all. |
| 17:32.52 | tremon | deed02392: do you have a debian kernel in /boot? |
| 17:33.11 | deed02392 | i know it's a custom compiled one based off debian |
| 17:33.13 | ggherdov | nvz: ok thanks. |
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| 17:33.15 | nvz | ggherdov: x keyboard layout however can be changed independantly of the system layout |
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| 17:33.25 | deed02392 | but I have forgotten. It was about 2 years ago when I compiled it |
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| 17:33.45 | somiaj | deed02392: from your chroot, ls /boot (do you have kernels sitting in there that the grub scripts can find)? |
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| 17:33.46 | montrealer | help :) |
| 17:33.58 | tremon | deed02392: you do know that even the kernel gets security patches every once in a while, right? |
| 17:34.11 | deed02392 | yeah I do tremon, |
| 17:34.24 | deed02392 | ok there are three files that look like kernels |
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| 17:34.27 | montrealer | i have a debian and i do not want any time server running on this system, can it be removed? |
| 17:34.34 | tremon | hands montrealer a hankie |
| 17:34.48 | montrealer | thank you tremon |
| 17:34.49 | somiaj | montrealer: by default debian doens't install the ntp package (time server I think your are thining about) |
| 17:34.53 | deed02392 | bzImage-2.6.27.10-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 |
| 17:35.05 | somiaj | montrealer: dpkg -l | grep ntp (do you have ntpd or any time server installed)? |
| 17:35.08 | deed02392 | the one that's dated most recently is 2.6-config-custom-std-ipv4-32 |
| 17:35.11 | montrealer | thank you , so then it becomes a service.. can i remove this service??? |
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| 17:35.35 | somiaj | montrealer: yes you can either uninstall the package, or disable the service with update-rc.d |
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| 17:35.42 | ggherdov | nvz: I want to override the whole system settings for kb layout. I've seen you disagree, but this is my own (virtual) machine, nobody apart me is going to connect to it. I need US everywhere or I'll get sick. |
| 17:35.52 | deed02392 | update-grub should be detecting those kernels shouldn't it? |
| 17:36.12 | deed02392 | would it not detect them if the grub package wasn't downloaded from the same repos as the kernel is from? |
| 17:36.13 | tremon | deed02392: what's the output of update-grub? |
| 17:36.18 | somiaj | montrealer: note if your hardware clock drifts (many do) it is very important to have a time server on a production system. |
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| 17:36.27 | deed02392 | Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 17:36.35 | deed02392 | Found Debian background: grub.png |
| 17:36.35 | deed02392 | done |
| 17:36.36 | nvz | ggherdov: well the dpkg-reconfigre console-data should take care of that |
| 17:36.46 | montrealer | root@xen1:/etc/dhcp# dpkg -L | grep ntp |
| 17:36.46 | montrealer | dpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument |
| 17:36.50 | tremon | deed02392: so it's not finding the kernel |
| 17:36.54 | deed02392 | ah right |
| 17:37.05 | ggherdov | nvz: good to know! thankyou. |
| 17:38.03 | somiaj | montrealer: please do not /msg me, it is rude. Reread the command I told you to type |
| 17:38.07 | nvz | somiaj: many? I wasn't aware that they've made a clock that doesn't drift.. heh |
| 17:38.15 | somiaj | montrealer: you did not copy the command right. |
| 17:38.27 | somiaj | nvz: I didn't want to be so bold as to assume there wasn't one out there |
| 17:38.30 | tremon | deed02392: ls /boot/vmlinuz-* /vmlinuz-* /boot/kernel-* |
| 17:38.46 | somiaj | montrealer: again please stop messging me, keep the conversation in #debian. |
| 17:39.10 | somiaj | deed02392: did you use make-kpkg to compile those kernel packages? |
| 17:39.10 | nvz | wonders if he even wants to know what this is in his keyboard |
| 17:39.12 | deed02392 | i haven't any files like that |
| 17:39.20 | deed02392 | I'm not sure |
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| 17:39.23 | deed02392 | one advantage we've got though |
| 17:39.32 | deed02392 | I have the physical machine this vm is based off booted up right now |
| 17:39.38 | Section58 | hi guys, i have an issue where my server hangs. all the ram and cpu is taken and load rises to 160. i have been unable as yet to find out why this happens, as access to the box becomes limited. is there a cool way of logging the current proccess useage to view from a future date to see this process thats breaking everything ? |
| 17:39.40 | deed02392 | and I can confirm it booted off one of the kernels in there |
| 17:39.53 | somiaj | montrealer: you will be /ignored the next time you msg me. Don't do it. |
| 17:39.57 | deed02392 | that's in: /boot/2.6-config-custom-std-ipv4-32 |
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| 17:40.01 | somiaj | montrealer: man update-rc.d -- read and learn. |
| 17:40.07 | deed02392 | maybe I just rename that to have kernel- prefix? |
| 17:40.11 | deed02392 | then update-grub will see it? |
| 17:40.37 | b0tluk | how to install vmware workstation 7.1.4 on debian squeze? ; log erros: http://bpaste.net/show/28383/ and log .bash_history: http://bpaste.net/show/WSDUjkJvLir2uccNv6Us/ ; please. |
| 17:40.38 | deed02392 | i'm looking at the working lilo config on the physical server too, which is how I know that's the kernel it boots from |
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| 17:40.53 | somiaj | deed02392: check the script /etc/grub.d/10_linux (or whatever it is called). See if you can figure out what the script is doing and why it isn't seeing your kernels. |
| 17:41.03 | somiaj | deed02392: yes it could be they just don't follow a correct naming shcheme |
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| 17:41.12 | tremon | deed02392: if it's grub2, check in /etc/grub/10_linux to see the pattern it looks for |
| 17:41.24 | deed02392 | cheers guys looking now |
| 17:41.39 | tremon | the pattern I just quoted is off my machine, which is on testing. On squeeze it's /boot/vmlinu[zx]-* /vmlinu[zx]-* |
| 17:43.05 | deed02392 | yeah seems it only looks for /boot/vmlinu[xz]-* and /vmlinu[xz]-* |
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| 17:43.37 | deed02392 | shall i simply rename my kernel to suit that then? |
| 17:43.56 | tremon | yes, and the initrd if you have one |
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| 17:44.04 | deed02392 | /initrd is empty |
| 17:44.11 | deed02392 | I guess not |
| 17:44.14 | tremon | the pattern is about 15 lines below the kernels |
| 17:44.22 | plotino | hi everybody |
| 17:44.28 | plotino | i have a big problem |
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| 17:44.38 | plotino | i have installed debian 6.0 |
| 17:44.40 | tremon | an elephant in your machine? |
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| 17:44.43 | dvs | |!enter |
| 17:44.44 | montrealer | i retyped the command and i see the server and i get |
| 17:44.45 | plotino | on a desktop |
| 17:44.45 | montrealer | ii ntp 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1 Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs |
| 17:44.45 | montrealer | ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1 client for setting system time from NTP |
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| 17:45.01 | plotino | but only command promtp i get when i start the PC |
| 17:45.16 | jordanm | so install gnome or soemthing |
| 17:45.21 | plotino | i need this evening to install gdm and also kaffeine to record a sat transmission |
| 17:45.24 | tremon | plotino: did you tell the installer you wanted a desktop? |
| 17:45.25 | plotino | please help me |
| 17:45.37 | plotino | maybe not :( tremon |
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| 17:45.39 | dvs | plotino: So just install gnome |
| 17:45.54 | plotino | to run kaffeine it's better to install kde?? |
| 17:46.01 | somiaj | montrealer: if you dno't want those packages, uninstall them. 'apt-get remove ntp ntpdate' |
| 17:46.02 | plotino | and how to install gnome |
| 17:46.12 | nvz | plotino: apt-get install gnome |
| 17:46.13 | plotino | just type apt-get install gnome?? |
| 17:46.14 | tremon | plotino: login as root, type tasksel and press enter |
| 17:46.16 | plotino | ok |
| 17:46.17 | montrealer | thank you very much |
| 17:46.19 | dvs | plotino: aptitude install gnome kaffeine |
| 17:46.21 | somiaj | montrealer: only the 'ntp' contains a daemon. You can also disable it by update-rc.d ntpd disable |
| 17:46.40 | tremon | plotino: any of the other suggestion work as well btw |
| 17:46.42 | nvz | plotino: and press enter which you seem to like to do.. |
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| 17:47.44 | plotino | nvz |
| 17:47.49 | plotino | i dont understand you |
| 17:47.54 | deed02392 | right it finds it now i've given it its fancy prefix |
| 17:47.57 | deed02392 | just rebooting.. |
| 17:48.06 | nvz | the feeling is mutual |
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| 17:48.39 | plotino | im back |
| 17:48.41 | DasEi | I just stumbled over OCZ Synapse Cache SSD's dataplex software,( in addition to an hd it puts often needed data to ssd) and wondered if their is already such a solution under 'nix ? dataplex might be windows only |
| 17:48.42 | plotino | so nvz |
| 17:48.46 | plotino | what you said |
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| 17:49.43 | gnarface | hey quick question: does the value represented by the output of 'du -s' include path file/path lenghts? |
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| 17:50.32 | gnarface | like, i mean if a directory name in the path (above . actually) got longer, would the value increase? |
| 17:50.43 | gnarface | or does it just include file *contents* ? |
| 17:50.43 | montrealer | if i wanted to disable the dhcpd could i also use the same command,, update -rc.d dhcpd disable ???? |
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| 17:51.09 | somiaj | montrealer: without the space. 'man update-rc.d' and read for yourself |
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| 17:52.21 | deed02392 | bah. It lists the kernel, I choose it and it runs through looking like it's booting but ends up saying "Warning: unable to open an initial console." and I can't do anything |
| 17:52.22 | plotino | do you like squeeze?? |
| 17:52.24 | montrealer | yes thank you |
| 17:53.04 | tremon | DasEi: I know of no open-source solution, but it's been around for a while. Novell used the term hot/cold storage migration for Netware, SAN vendors use dynamic storage tiering |
| 17:53.49 | tremon | deed02392: at a guess, it didn't load the initrd |
| 17:53.58 | DasEi | tremon: I just found bcache, let me read on, maybe I found it ; btfrs also allows it, but I don't want to re-install |
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| 17:56.46 | deed02392 | yeah tremon I think the kernel is loading |
| 17:56.52 | deed02392 | it just can't handle the fact it's now in a VM |
| 17:57.05 | deed02392 | how would I find out where the initrd is? |
| 17:57.20 | tremon | are you back in the system or in the grub menu? |
| 17:57.22 | deed02392 | /initrd is an empty dir |
| 17:57.27 | deed02392 | i'm "in the system" |
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| 17:57.34 | deed02392 | as in, at the failed point of the kernel |
| 17:57.35 | tremon | empty... dir? |
| 17:57.40 | deed02392 | yeah |
| 17:57.48 | deed02392 | if I do /initrd bash tells me it's a directory |
| 17:57.49 | deed02392 | that's all |
| 17:58.01 | tremon | initrd is supposed to be a file, and it resides where the kernel file is |
| 17:58.04 | deed02392 | so i cd to it and it's empty |
| 17:58.09 | deed02392 | hmm |
| 17:58.42 | deed02392 | would it be different to a system map? |
| 17:58.51 | tremon | so if it's not there, you may have been living without, but in that case I have no idea how to help you further |
| 17:58.51 | deed02392 | just looking at what else is in /boot on the working machine |
| 17:58.51 | somiaj | deed02392: initrd kernels from debian have a /boot/config-ver, /boot/vmlinuz-ver, and /boot/initrd.img-ver, along with a /boot/System.map-ver |
| 17:59.00 | plotino | where to get best info to configure debian? |
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| 17:59.12 | somiaj | deed02392: do you have the internet working from your chroot? |
| 17:59.18 | deed02392 | yeah somiaj |
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| 17:59.33 | somiaj | deed02392: why not just install a debian kernel, get up and running on that and figure out how to make a new custom kernel afterwards |
| 17:59.35 | pjc_ | plotino: wiki.debian.org |
| 17:59.53 | tremon | plotino: there's the also debian administrator's handbook if you're into dead trees |
| 18:00.08 | deed02392 | somiaj, do you think that would be easier than trying to fix it in place? |
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| 18:00.31 | somiaj | deed02392: I am not going to guess as I have no clue about the kernel you have and how it is configured. |
| 18:00.46 | somiaj | deed02392: I'm just saying you can get thigns up and running and then make a custom kernel. I suggest using make-kpkg in the future. |
| 18:01.00 | plotino | any advise? |
| 18:01.03 | nsadmin | plotino, "configuring debian" has almost no meaning. what is it you want to configure? also, "best" has no meaning whatsoever unless you say what "best" means |
| 18:01.18 | sistematico | tremon: Ok, but backports dont have tint2 :( |
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| 18:01.23 | _ramok | does anyone installed node.js on a debian squeeze system? |
| 18:01.29 | plotino | source of documentation about debian Ć¹ |
| 18:01.39 | plotino | where to look |
| 18:02.01 | tremon | sistematico: hasn't dpkg told you? |
| 18:02.05 | plotino | maybe this http://wiki.debian.org/? |
| 18:02.09 | deed02392 | somiaj , the thing was, the server I rent 'came' with a custom compiled kernel, but it didn't support virtual machines. so I followed a guide online that someone had posted worked for servers leased from this particular provider so I could get that working |
| 18:02.13 | sistematico | tremon: I need tint2conf, but tint2 on squeeze dont have tin2conf. |
| 18:02.19 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.21 | deed02392 | so I am not too sure on the extent of how customised it is |
| 18:02.31 | dvs | plotino: like pjc_ said? |
| 18:02.32 | sistematico | tremon: Yes. |
| 18:02.37 | deed02392 | if I go the route of downloading a new kernel |
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| 18:02.51 | deed02392 | do I need to choose it based on what debian distro I had on it? |
| 18:02.53 | nsadmin | plotino, sure, that has info in it |
| 18:03.16 | nsadmin | plotino, ever run debian before? |
| 18:03.17 | pjc_ | plotino: well it is an offical source, there are others but I tend to read offical documentation first |
| 18:03.18 | tremon | sistematico: so, you're done step First. Now, on to step 1 :) |
| 18:03.43 | pjc_ | plotino: also don't be afraid of man pages |
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| 18:04.04 | nsadmin | so the list of steps are First, 1, Second, 2, Third, 3? |
| 18:04.05 | pjc_ | a wealth of configuration/ usage information |
| 18:04.07 | sistematico | tremon: Download tint2 sources? |
| 18:04.20 | sistematico | tremon: With apt-get source? |
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| 18:04.32 | nsadmin | , versions tint2 |
| 18:04.33 | judd | Package: tint2 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-2; sid: 0.11+svn20111022-3; wheezy: 0.11+svn20111022-3 |
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| 18:04.46 | tremon | nsadmin: ssb steps are First, 1, 2, 3, 4 :) |
| 18:05.38 | themill | tremon: s/First/Zeroth/ |
| 18:05.59 | sistematico | I dont understand why apt-pinning is trying to replace all system, heh |
| 18:06.00 | themill | (actually, "First" is not part of the backporting process) |
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| 18:06.24 | tremon | sistematico: no, that's step 3, but you might be able to skip steps 1 and 2 on your system |
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| 18:06.39 | tremon | themill: it's still part of the factoid :) |
| 18:06.55 | themill | sistematico: don't mix releases... it's that simple. Things compiled against newer versions of libraries can end up dragging in those newer libraries too. |
| 18:07.48 | deed02392 | how do I check which distro I'm on? |
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| 18:07.57 | rainfyre | !remove kde |
| 18:07.57 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 18:08.16 | zykotic10 | deed02392: "lsb_release -a" is one way |
| 18:08.20 | nsadmin | deed02392, remember which cd image you used to install it |
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| 18:08.28 | deed02392 | nsadmin, datacenter installed it not me |
| 18:08.43 | deed02392 | lsb_release doesn't exist |
| 18:08.55 | nsadmin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:08.59 | DasEi | tremon: apart from bcache you can patch(:-Xkernelupdates), there is flashcache wich build a .ko-module, think bcache is my friend |
| 18:09.09 | suborbital | hello all |
| 18:09.10 | deed02392 | 5.0.10 |
| 18:09.13 | deed02392 | that's lenny right? |
| 18:09.18 | nsadmin | think so |
| 18:09.26 | themill | rainfyre: that may not quite be enough for removing kde4 |
| 18:09.30 | deed02392 | okay |
| 18:09.58 | somiaj | deed02392: then install lsb_release, that is the best way. |
| 18:10.06 | nsadmin | just curious... do you see /boot/vmlinuz*? |
| 18:10.09 | somiaj | deed02392: /etc/debian_version may be missleading. |
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| 18:10.23 | tremon | rainfyre: aptitude -s purge ~skde |
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| 18:10.47 | pjc_ | deed02392: you can look at yours /etc/apt/sources.list the release "name" will be there |
| 18:10.54 | deed02392 | is it in a package at all somiaj? |
| 18:11.15 | deed02392 | pjc_, it's got both etch and lenny in there. I'm pretty sure I did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny though |
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| 18:11.20 | scwizard | how do I uncripple my vlc |
| 18:11.21 | deed02392 | but I wasn't sure if I'd done it again |
| 18:11.22 | nsadmin | that's true... and, since ubuntu doesn't seem to touch it and doesn't take from stable, 5.0.10 is at least not ubuntu |
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| 18:11.27 | scwizard | so that it can screw with mp3 and other non free stuff? |
| 18:11.32 | pjc_ | ohhh nasty |
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| 18:11.51 | scwizard | first step is enabling non-free in sources.list |
| 18:11.54 | nsadmin | scwizard, glue its leg onto its head (note, this may be a kludge) |
| 18:11.54 | scwizard | dunno the second step though |
| 18:11.55 | pjc_ | its lenny anyway |
| 18:11.59 | somiaj | deed02392: yes, the package name is lsb-release |
| 18:12.03 | deed02392 | gotcha |
| 18:12.06 | tremon | DasEi: looks good, I'll look into it someday. thx |
| 18:12.11 | scwizard | nsadmin, I can't it's headless :o |
| 18:12.16 | rainfyre | themill: tremon thank you both |
| 18:12.22 | nsadmin | mmm, good point |
| 18:12.25 | DasEi | tremon: http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ |
| 18:12.37 | rainfyre | tremon: is that all I need? I need to read the aptitude man page.. :P |
| 18:12.37 | deed02392 | no LSB modules are available.. |
| 18:12.43 | deed02392 | lol, this system is so messed up |
| 18:12.59 | suborbital | any pkg-config gurus around? |
| 18:13.24 | nsadmin | oh, lenny is off the mirrors so intalling stuff might require you to alter your sources.list |
| 18:13.32 | tremon | rainfyre: it's a very wide net, make sure it does what you want before agreeing. Then again, it's not that much of a problem to reinstall parts of it |
| 18:14.03 | dvs | deed02392: no kidding. Mixing releases is never a good idea |
| 18:14.10 | suborbital | ok ill just throw this out there' |
| 18:14.11 | deed02392 | lenny is at http://archive.debian.org/lenny/ |
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| 18:14.23 | nsadmin | suborbital, if you ask your question, it's possible you can learn from nongurus |
| 18:14.39 | deed02392 | sorry, /debian/, then you do lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:14.54 | suborbital | I am trying to compile cwm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505924#19 and I get http://sprunge.us/RhQa - its obvious the Makefile is wrong - I just need pointers on a proper makefile. |
| 18:15.28 | somiaj | deed02392: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 18:15.40 | deed02392 | ah I didn't know we had that |
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| 18:16.11 | pjc_ | deed02392: the dpkg bot is friendly |
| 18:16.14 | deed02392 | somiaj, I'm going to download a new kernel, what considerations do I need to make before I go looking for a guide online? |
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| 18:16.43 | somiaj | deed02392: at this point I would almost consider would doing a fresh install of squeeze be easier for you (you should really upgrade since lenny is EOL) |
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| 18:17.00 | dvs | deed02392: If you don't have lsb_release, I dont think you have a proper lenny release. |
| 18:17.18 | deed02392 | it's the result of a dist-upgrade from etch dvs.. not sure if that makes a difference |
| 18:17.28 | deed02392 | and my crappy hosting company's custom kernel and probably release |
| 18:17.28 | somiaj | dvs: why? its only an optional package, didn't think it was default. |
| 18:17.37 | tremon | dvs: mine says No LSB modules are available, and I'm quite certain it's proper sid ;) |
| 18:17.44 | deed02392 | that's what mine says tremon |
| 18:17.49 | dvs | deed02392: If you have both etch and lenny sources in your sources.list, there's no telling what you have now |
| 18:18.01 | scwizard | http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719&f=13 <- here it says everything will break if I use the debian-multimedia repo |
| 18:18.11 | deed02392 | no I commented out the etch sources before dist-upgrade |
| 18:18.15 | scwizard | however FFMPEG isn't compiled with mp3 support in the main repo |
| 18:18.32 | jelly-hme | say what |
| 18:18.49 | deed02392 | somiaj, the ultimate goal is to build a new server from scratch, I just wanted to get the old one working in a VM so I could refer to it as I set up the new one... is that foolish |
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| 18:19.09 | deed02392 | if anything it was to reassure myself I had a proper full backup of it before I started over |
| 18:19.12 | scwizard | actually its kinda funny, in wheezy when I installed vlc, I had no problem using mp3s \o.o/ |
| 18:19.24 | scwizard | I guess they changed their policy for that release, dunno |
| 18:19.28 | deed02392 | mp3 decoder is included in vlc isn't it scwizard ? |
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| 18:19.42 | deed02392 | you probably downloaded it from online and not via apt? |
| 18:19.43 | somiaj | deed02392: backup is all I would worry about, squeeze has enough differences from lenny where you will proabaly have it easier just doing a fresh install of squeeze, then recovering the backup data |
| 18:20.03 | scwizard | deed02392, ffmpeg is compiled without mp3 support in squeeze |
| 18:20.06 | tremon | scwizard: ffmpeg mp3 support may not be there, but gstreamer mp3 support is in main |
| 18:20.07 | deed02392 | Well all the data -looks- like it's there |
| 18:20.08 | scwizard | however in wheezy it has mp3 support |
| 18:20.22 | scwizard | ahh ok |
| 18:20.23 | tremon | ah... don't know about squeeze |
| 18:20.23 | deed02392 | but I wanted to boot it up in the vm and set up all the services I have |
| 18:20.29 | scwizard | o :? |
| 18:20.30 | deed02392 | to make sure I wouldn't get a shock about something obscure missing |
| 18:20.43 | scwizard | maybe I should just install wheezy |
| 18:20.46 | deed02392 | because i'm not sure I trust the backup process 100%, though it's probaly the best I'm going to get under the circumstances |
| 18:20.47 | scwizard | I mean it worked on wheezy so why not |
| 18:20.53 | tremon | both my desktop and htpc run wheezy, I tend to forget that :) |
| 18:21.05 | scwizard | I don't like using wheezy on servers but w/e |
| 18:21.06 | pjc_ | scwizard: go for gold |
| 18:21.18 | pjc_ | sure why the hell not? |
| 18:21.25 | somiaj | deed02392: I think it was initially a good idea, but looks lke there are lots of complications. So keep the images around and get the new server up and running might be a reasonable change in your game plan |
| 18:21.28 | pjc_ | scwizard: backup backup backup |
| 18:21.34 | scwizard | yup yup yup |
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| 18:21.41 | scwizard | althogh |
| 18:21.48 | deed02392 | ok somiaj... guess it's time to go shopping then :) |
| 18:21.53 | somiaj | I prefer sid over wheezy. (: |
| 18:22.09 | scwizard | in thsi case the server is just taking a stream from one place and reencoding it |
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| 18:22.21 | scwizard | so it's not like there will be any data or anything to backup |
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| 18:22.44 | pjc_ | configs ssh keys etc |
| 18:22.56 | pjc_ | there is always something |
| 18:23.11 | scwizard | yeah so it'l lbe easier |
| 18:23.18 | scwizard | since it'll be small |
| 18:23.43 | somiaj | deed02392: since you can get into a chrooted version of your server, you have access to all the configs, data anyways, I think you'll be just fine. (: |
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| 18:24.11 | deed02392 | yeah I guess that is reassuring enough somiaj, thanks for your advice :) |
| 18:24.17 | deed02392 | and you too tremon |
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| 18:24.48 | suborbital | anyone familiar with CPPFLAG or LDFLAGS on Debian? |
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| 18:26.35 | nsadmin | LDFLAGS are passed to the linker, CPPFLAGS (I forget) are either passed to the c++ compiler or to the preprocessor |
| 18:26.55 | tremon | preprocessor, c++ is CXXFLAGS |
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| 18:27.03 | scwizard | in testing, is there an easy way to rollback and update that breaks everything, besides restoring from image backup? |
| 18:27.12 | nsadmin | tremon, good to know :) |
| 18:27.16 | sary | Any reason as to why when i set a background it dosn't change .. Gnome 3. |
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| 18:27.34 | nvz | scwizard: depends on how deep down the rabbit hole you went |
| 18:27.35 | jordanm | !tell scwizard about downgrade |
| 18:27.43 | tremon | scwizard: lvm snapshots |
| 18:28.09 | nsadmin | scwizard, generally no... and, congratulations for having a backup |
| 18:28.11 | nvz | scwizard: generally you're better off preventing disaster by not aimlessly upgrading, using apt-listbugs and such |
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| 18:28.29 | scwizard | tremon, is that faster than doing a restore at the virtual machine level? |
| 18:28.38 | sary | And windows looks awful , like gnome 2. |
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| 18:28.55 | scwizard | nvz, yeah I know and staging enviroment etc |
| 18:29.01 | tremon | no, but should not be noticably slower either |
| 18:29.10 | scwizard | ok |
| 18:29.42 | tremon | but to revert a snapshot the fs needs to be unmounted, so for reverting / a reboot will be required |
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| 18:33.36 | tremon | scwizard: about staging, lvm snapshots are r/w, so you could mount a snapshot of /, chroot into it and perform a test-upgrade there |
| 18:33.58 | scwizard | ooo |
| 18:33.59 | tremon | obviously won't work for testing daemons, but you can test the upgrade process itself |
| 18:34.03 | scwizard | that's useful to know, thanks |
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| 18:35.36 | corretico | hi |
| 18:36.38 | sary | Hey |
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| 18:39.15 | ggherdov | nvz: about my keyboard layout: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" worked better than "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". I am tattoing that command on my right arm :-) |
| 18:39.31 | suborbital | I am trying to compile cwm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505924#19 and I get http://sprunge.us/RhQa - its obvious the Makefile is wrong - I just need pointers on a proper makefile. |
| 18:39.50 | crioto | Hi all. OI |
| 18:39.54 | nvz | ggherdov: heh.. wow.. |
| 18:40.02 | crioto | I'm trying to backport pcmanfm but i'm getting this error: *** No rule to make target `../data/ui/desktop-pref.glade', needed by `pcmanfm.pot' |
| 18:40.07 | ggherdov | nvz: thx again |
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| 18:44.55 | nvz | o.O |
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| 18:45.53 | jubo2 | I want to get Bluetooth A2DP ( audio protocol ) to work with Debian GNU/Linux ... 'which bluez' gives no result and 'sudo aptitude install bluez' doesn't install anything. What do I do / Where do I look to ? |
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| 18:47.42 | gnarface | jubo2: the package name changed to something a little less semantically pointless |
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| 18:48.27 | gnarface | jubo2: 'bluetooth' in case you couldn't have guessed |
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| 18:48.42 | jubo2 | srsly? |
| 18:48.47 | gnarface | jubo2: try it |
| 18:49.11 | scwizard | yeah here we go, the wheezy vlc depends on gstreamer |
| 18:49.15 | scwizard | I like the implications of this |
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| 18:50.12 | jubo2 | gnarface: 'which bluetooth' gives nothing 'sudo aptitude install bluetooth' gives nothing and 'man bluetooth' gives nothing |
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| 18:50.30 | gnarface | jubo2: try aptitude update first? you're on squeeze, wheezy, or sid right? |
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| 18:50.45 | gnarface | jubo2: maybe you should pastebin your sources.list |
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| 18:51.38 | gnarface | ,versions bluetooth |
| 18:51.39 | judd | Package: bluetooth on i386 -- lenny: 3.36-3; lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 4.66-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-3; sid: 4.99-2; wheezy: 4.99-2 |
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| 18:51.48 | Section58 | yo whats that dump command for interfaces to see packets ? |
| 18:52.02 | gnarface | Section58: tcpdump |
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| 18:52.08 | warezwaldo- | secure setup help, trying to fine tune security... i run only openvz/reverse proxy/firewall on my host and then all services inside containers (vms)... is the hardening manual the best source for fine tuning debian security? |
| 18:52.10 | Section58 | thanks, as soon as i said it i remmbered |
| 18:52.11 | macroevolve | hi - i'm using debian squeeze - and just trying to learn. I had gotten some help from someone in installing redmine software. The Redmine is not allowing me to attach files to tasks in the software because it says I haven't granted write permissions to the folder. I found the /var/www/redmine/files folder and applied both "chmod -R 755 /var/www/redmine/files" to it as well as "chmod 755 |
| 18:52.12 | macroevolve | /var/www/redmine/files" and both didn't work (redmine still shows that i did not provide write access) - am i doing something wrong/missing something? |
| 18:52.34 | jubo2 | gnarface: I tried 'sudo aptitude update' but that didn't change things.. I'm on Squeeze |
| 18:53.21 | scwizard | "stream_out_transcode stream out error: cannot find audio decoder |
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| 18:53.22 | scwizard | " eww :( |
| 18:53.23 | gnarface | jubo2: well something is wrong. you gonna pastebin that sources.list? |
| 18:54.14 | jubo2 | yeah.. soo.. /etc/ .. umm ... something .. |
| 18:54.35 | tremon | scwizard: apt-cache search gstreamer-plugins |
| 18:54.36 | gnarface | jubo2: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:54.40 | karlpinc | macroevolve: This has nothing(ish) to do with your problem, but since you're new you might want to see the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware page, especially footnote 1. |
| 18:54.41 | jubo2 | /etc/apt/sources.list or wut ? |
| 18:54.59 | gnarface | jubo2: yes. also any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d if you have any |
| 18:55.05 | scwizard | why would I have more plugins installed on my desktop than on my laptop? |
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| 18:55.13 | scwizard | some random grpahical widget depeneded on them? |
| 18:55.40 | scwizard | ohhh, because I didn't have the qt interface installed |
| 18:55.44 | scwizard | it didn't install qt-gstreamer plugins |
| 18:55.51 | scwizard | which is apparently where mp3 support is ??? |
| 18:55.56 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Perhaps you're not giving permissions to the right folder. |
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| 18:56.41 | scwizard | well I dunno, but now I know how to fix it at least |
| 18:57.00 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Did you install redmine from the debian repos? |
| 18:57.11 | karlpinc | macroevolve: (Using aptitude or apt-get?) |
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| 18:58.01 | karlpinc | !tell macroevolve about readme.debian |
| 18:58.04 | jubo2 | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/x4FbAQtC |
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| 18:58.33 | warezwaldo- | anyone here run a server thats split into VMs that's good with security, please msg me ;) |
| 18:58.58 | karlpinc | !tell warezwaldo- about anyone |
| 18:59.17 | karlpinc | warezwaldo-: Ask the channel. |
| 18:59.20 | macroevolve | karl: hi karl - thanks for the message. i had someone help me install it, so i haven't the slightest idea what they did. unfortunately i don't know if they used aptitude or apt-get. sorry, i wish i knew more - i'm learning everything now |
| 18:59.48 | macroevolve | i found these commands off the redmine site: this is for the plugins writable folder (which redmine requests): mkdir tmp public/plugin_assets |
| 18:59.48 | macroevolve | sudo chown -R redmine:redmine files log tmp public/plugin_assets |
| 18:59.48 | macroevolve | sudo chmod -R 755 files log tmp public/plugin_assets |
| 19:00.04 | karlpinc | !tell macroevolve about paste |
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| 19:00.24 | macroevolve | oh sorry about that |
| 19:00.50 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You can use "apt-cache show redmine" to see where it came from. |
| 19:00.59 | karlpinc | macroevolve: No worries. |
| 19:01.18 | macroevolve | ok let me go and check, i'll let you know the output of that command |
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| 19:01.56 | tremon | scwizard: you need gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (my previous apt-cache searched for libgst, apologies) |
| 19:02.08 | gnarface | jubo2: well something sure as fuck is broken. when is the last time you updated? and did you ever try apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 19:02.20 | scwizard | tremon, well on my desktop I only have the good and the bad and it's working |
| 19:02.24 | scwizard | so I'm going to try that out and see |
| 19:02.27 | gnarface | jubo2: also i don't know what in the hell that spotify shit is but it probably is cancer |
| 19:03.13 | jubo2 | I have no bluetooth.. This is 2012.. I was so excited about Bluetooth in 2002 I paid 106ā¬ for a BT 1.1 dongle.. I had to think of a way to traffic information to peoples' handsets for http://develop.consumerium.org/ ... ten years later I have no bluetooth |
| 19:03.20 | craigevil | scwizard, remove gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 if you have it installed |
| 19:03.32 | scwizard | craigevil, I don't on either computer |
| 19:03.59 | jubo2 | gnarface: you're quite right.. just as soon as a viable alternative for Spotify arrives I'm there |
| 19:04.21 | jubo2 | it's just too easy.. 15 million songs in mah netbook and in mah handset |
| 19:04.49 | jubo2 | gnarface: I try apt-get instead of aptitude |
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| 19:05.21 | gnarface | jubo2: when is the last time you ran apt-get/aptitude upgrade? |
| 19:05.59 | jubo2 | gnarface: I just run 'sudo apt-get install bluetooth' and it said in Finnish that "bluetooth is the latest version" |
| 19:06.24 | gnarface | jubo2: oh! that's new information. you told me it returned nothing |
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| 19:06.37 | gnarface | jubo2: so in that case its already installed |
| 19:06.41 | gnarface | jubo2: congrats. |
| 19:06.45 | gnarface | jubo2: situation normal |
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| 19:07.15 | macroevolve | karlpinc: ok i typed that command in. I see a lot of info that came out about the program |
| 19:07.40 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Let's see it.... |
| 19:07.41 | scwizard | take a look at this, it's a comparison of the gstreamer plugins I have installed at home and on the server: http://codepad.org/knxvpHxf |
| 19:07.45 | karlpinc | !tell macroevolve about pastebinit |
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| 19:08.11 | scwizard | makes me wonder why encoding to mp3 would work at home, but not on the server |
| 19:08.14 | karlpinc | macroevolve: So: apt-cache show redmine | pastebinit |
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| 19:08.37 | JordiGH | What should be done about spam in bug reports? Why is this so rare? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666142#64 |
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| 19:09.16 | scwizard | I will install the ugly cause why not |
| 19:09.21 | scwizard | it's just strange |
| 19:09.24 | jubo2 | gnarface: but then I don't understand why 'which bluetooth' and 'man bluetooth' return "nothing found" or something similar in Finnish |
| 19:09.30 | macroevolve | karlpinc: ok i did that command. actually i'm on a different machine than that PC (using teamviewer). I ran the command and it looked like it was processing something |
| 19:09.56 | gnarface | jubo2: because all those commands usually only work on binaries, you simply don't know what you're doing that's all. |
| 19:10.00 | macroevolve | should i install mirc on that pc and talk to you from there - i take it i need to use the "dmesg" command to get you the info? |
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| 19:10.24 | jubo2 | gnarface: you are right. I have no clue what I am doing. Better have a gulp of beer. |
| 19:10.24 | gnarface | jubo2: you should look in the directory /usr/share/doc/bluetooth |
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| 19:10.38 | scwizard | bleh even with the ugly I get: stream_out_transcode stream out error: cannot find audio decoder |
| 19:10.46 | gnarface | jubo2: in fact in general, when you don't know what you're doing with [package name] then you should look in /usr/share/doc/[package name] first |
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| 19:11.26 | jubo2 | gnarface: bingo! thanks. I read the README I found where you instructed. thanks |
| 19:11.41 | gnarface | jubo2: no problem. also the output of this may be useful: ls -ld /usr/share/doc/blue* |
| 19:11.57 | nsadmin | macroevolve, I'm not sure how much good that would do... you're doing a lot of "actually, the situation X I just told you about is actually Y" |
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| 19:14.40 | macroevolve | nsadmin: sorry i'm not sure how you mean? i am on a Windows 7 machine, but redmine is installed on a separate debian squeeze machine. I am accessing the debian machine now using Teamviewer to my Debian machine. This prevents me from having to walk back and forth. |
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| 19:15.48 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Ok. I'll look above. Anyway, you need to tell us what pastebinit outputs so we can go to the web page and see it. |
| 19:16.47 | macroevolve | ok - got it - i do see a link. here it is: http://pastebin.com/2KlyKVW3 |
| 19:16.47 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Doesn't matter what machine you're irc-ing on. |
| 19:16.54 | macroevolve | k |
| 19:17.36 | karlpinc | macroevolve: I think that's not the right url. |
| 19:18.09 | macroevolve | oh sorry about that - my fault - here is the one i got from "dmesg | pastebinit" - http://pastebin.com/34LiJ9Ri |
| 19:18.40 | karlpinc | macroevolve: I don't want the dmesg output, I want the apt-cache output. |
| 19:18.54 | karlpinc | macroevolve: The first url did not pull up an existing paste. |
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| 19:19.40 | macroevolve | ok let me try the commands again - i will do this command first: "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 19:20.12 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You already have pastebinit installed. |
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| 19:20.37 | scwizard | if the audiodecoder that I need is in a pulseaudio module |
| 19:20.46 | scwizard | erm in a gstreamer module |
| 19:20.54 | scwizard | then it must be either in gstreamer0.10-alsa or gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio |
| 19:21.05 | scwizard | because those are the two modules installed on my desktop but not on this server |
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| 19:21.23 | scwizard | O_o |
| 19:21.23 | macroevolve | karlpinc: sorry just a bit confused - so now that I have the pastebinit installed. Should I now do "dmesg | pastebinit"? I'm really new at all this so hope you can forgive how slow i am at this |
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| 19:21.28 | karlpinc | macroevolve: the ; separates different commands |
| 19:21.31 | macroevolve | oh got it |
| 19:21.34 | macroevolve | thx |
| 19:21.43 | karlpinc | macroevolve: So: apt-cache show redmine | pastebinit |
| 19:22.22 | macroevolve | ok so i just ran "pastevinit /etc/apt/sources.list" and it outputted "http://pastebin.com/Uy2p8m8K" |
| 19:22.31 | macroevolve | now i will run that "apt-cache" command you referenced |
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| 19:22.51 | plotino | hi |
| 19:23.06 | k1ssak1 | hello everyone. I'm wondering how to upgrade my kernel to the 3.2 kernel using backports. |
| 19:23.07 | plotino | i have installed gnome |
| 19:23.13 | plotino | in squeeze |
| 19:23.16 | macroevolve | ok so i've run that command as well, and it outputted "http://pastebin.com/P3XHj7cS |
| 19:23.18 | plotino | but hot to launch it?? |
| 19:24.05 | karlpinc | plotino: How did you install it? |
| 19:24.13 | scwizard | *sigh* so it's not a missing gstreamer module it tunrs out |
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| 19:24.20 | karlpinc | k1ssak1: There's instructions on the backports site. |
| 19:24.30 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Your sources.list looks good. |
| 19:24.44 | k1ssak1 | karlpinc: thank you :P |
| 19:25.06 | scwizard | "stream_out_transcode stream out error: cannot find audio decoder" <- since I have my desktop, where it can find the audiodecoder, how do I figure out where it is finding this audio decoder? |
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| 19:25.59 | karlpinc | macroevolve: After all that, I gave you the wrong command. Try: apt-cache policy redmine | pastebinit |
| 19:26.10 | macroevolve | ok |
| 19:26.52 | macroevolve | ok i tried that command. this time it says "You are trying to send an empty document, exiting." |
| 19:27.18 | pjc_ | plotino: depends on your display manager |
| 19:27.19 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Then you have a typo. |
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| 19:27.24 | macroevolve | ok i'll try again |
| 19:27.31 | karlpinc | pjc_: I'm thinking he does not have one installed. |
| 19:27.37 | pjc_ | plotino: gdm/xdm/kdm/slim |
| 19:27.49 | pjc_ | ok so |
| 19:28.01 | karlpinc | pjc_: gdm3 (may as well skip gdm -- it'll go away) |
| 19:28.02 | macroevolve | sorry, karl, my fault it was a typo: here is the new link: http://pastebin.com/es53DD1R |
| 19:28.25 | pjc_ | karlpinc: xdm fan here |
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| 19:29.38 | karlpinc | pjc_: slim, although I do sometimes need xdmc. |
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| 19:29.47 | pjc_ | plotino: better start with checking if x is installed |
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| 19:29.59 | nmschulte | Is anyone familiar with the safecopy tool? |
| 19:30.05 | pjc_ | and then a display manager |
| 19:30.28 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You did not install the debian package. (Footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware definately applies.) *sigh* Is there a reason you need the version that's installed? |
| 19:30.49 | karlpinc | !tell nmschulte about anyone |
| 19:31.11 | scwizard | bleh whoops, audio DECODER |
| 19:31.16 | scwizard | that's what the problem is now >_> |
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| 19:32.18 | nmschulte | I'm trying to use safecopy (a utility packaged by Debian, I assume the question is safe to ask here...) to recover data from a failing/failed hard disk. The block device, /dev/sda, does not report it's file size, or reports it as 0. safecopy attempts to use both stat() and seek(), but both fail (or return 0). |
| 19:33.16 | macroevolve | karl: i'll go read that link - well i have a developer that will be working on installing freeswitch for me and he suggested the installation that is present on the system. |
| 19:33.22 | craigevil | scwizard, are you on gnome or kde? not sure if it helps but gstreamer packages i have installed on kde > http://paste.debian.net/167200/ |
| 19:33.33 | nmschulte | I'm tempted to modify the src of safecopy to allow me to specify the filesize, but I have a feeling actually seek()/read()'ing will fail even if I trick the src to try. Does anyone have any ideas for making safecopy work? I assume dd_rescue/ddrescue would have the same issues. |
| 19:33.39 | homes | nmschulte: oh, so blockdev --getsz would fail on it? |
| 19:33.49 | homes | nmschulte: if that failed i'd say you're fucked |
| 19:33.54 | karlpinc | nmschulte: Sure it's good to ask. FYI, perhaps the best is ddrescue. You boot off alternate media and use it to copy the blocks to a good disk and the repair the filesystem. |
| 19:33.58 | scwizard | craigevil, it's not the gstreamer packages, because I got my gstreamer packages to match on my desktop and server and it still didn't work |
| 19:34.00 | nmschulte | homes: I don't know, I will try. |
| 19:34.01 | scwizard | the problem is that it can't decode wma |
| 19:34.18 | scwizard | I was derping, through ti was the encoding, even though it said decoding >_> |
| 19:34.23 | macroevolve | karlpinc: oh shoot... it sounds like you're saying we don't really have a debian official OS installed |
| 19:34.24 | nmschulte | homes, et. al: the kernel picks up that there is a partition ,but the partition and file system are fubar on it. |
| 19:34.33 | karlpinc | macroevolve: It's not awful to use non-debian software, but you need to know what you're doing. You could go to the redmine people for help.... |
| 19:34.40 | nmschulte | the driver reports the device size (xxx 512-byte blocks), and it's accurate |
| 19:34.45 | scwizard | so the mystery, is why can my desktop decode mms:// streams? |
| 19:34.53 | macroevolve | karlpinc: ok thanks, karl |
| 19:34.57 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You do, but debian packages are built to work on debian. |
| 19:35.01 | homes | scwizard: common start would be to use dd_rescue to copy as much data as you can to a stable medium first, btw |
| 19:35.18 | nmschulte | karlpinc: safecopy is basically ddrescue with some analytics, but I agree, I'll see if ddrescue has these same "filesize" issues. |
| 19:35.19 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Debian stable does not change, so you don't get the latest stuff. But your stuff does not break at random times either. |
| 19:35.23 | homes | nmschulte, sorry |
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| 19:35.55 | nmschulte | homes: re: /dev/sdb1 -- I _can_ run safecopy on this block device (the "found" partition), but that's not the whole drive (missing boot sector and partition table). |
| 19:36.08 | karlpinc | macroevolve: We can even help with your problems, it's ontopic. |
| 19:36.27 | nmschulte | homes: by can run, I mean safecopy can determine the filesize (as being non zero, and almost the whole disk as reported by the driver in dmesg). |
| 19:36.27 | macroevolve | karlpinc: ok so it sounds like my version is not a stable release? when you mentione debian is meant to run on debian, how would that apply in my scenario? I just have a PC box with debian installed. |
| 19:36.45 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You are running debian stable, but not using debian's redmine package. |
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| 19:37.04 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You know what packages are? |
| 19:37.22 | stercor | Does Debian have version updates? I've heard of 'rolliing updates' where Debian is continuously kept up-to-date. What are 'Sid' and 'Sarge?' |
| 19:37.29 | macroevolve | karl: i just learned a few minutes ago (that they are pretty much program files) |
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| 19:37.50 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 19:37.59 | karlpinc | !tell stercor about releases |
| 19:38.09 | karlpinc | !tell stercor about introduction |
| 19:38.15 | stercor | Ah...a FAQ. |
| 19:38.17 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Yes. |
| 19:38.32 | k1ssak1 | does anyone here use xfce? I |
| 19:38.41 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: yes |
| 19:38.48 | karlpinc | stercor: You may also want to see the <overview> factoid. ("/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client.) |
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| 19:39.07 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: I've been using gnome forever. How do I add icon shortcuts to the panel? |
| 19:39.12 | stercor | I'll go to the Debian site, then for answers. |
| 19:39.57 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You can get your programs from debian, in which case we've tested them or you can get them from "upstream", the guys who wrote it, in which case you're running something different from most people -- in the the combination of OS and program is different. |
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| 19:40.31 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: right click panel > Panel prefs > items tab |
| 19:40.41 | pjc_ | assuming it is xfce4 |
| 19:41.25 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: thank you, it is |
| 19:41.29 | karlpinc | macroevolve: It's a bit hard for us to tell what redmine wants/needs. We could spend a (long) time digging into it with you by trying to look in various places (/var/log/httpd/ comes to mind) but that would be tending toward offtopic. At this point, given the software you're running, your best option might be redmine support. |
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| 19:41.52 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You could also try installing the debian package, but what's been done already might well interfere. |
| 19:42.14 | Xtreme | hey guys.. this is third time my debian crashed |
| 19:42.16 | nmschulte | homes: blockdev --getsz /dev/sdb returned 0, /dev/sdb1 returned nearly the whole disk size as reported by the logging in dmesg |
| 19:42.24 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: enjoy |
| 19:42.28 | macroevolve | karl: thanks man - it works! |
| 19:42.29 | Xtreme | it just stops responding |
| 19:42.34 | Xtreme | like nothing happens |
| 19:42.37 | Xtreme | totally hangs |
| 19:42.44 | homes | nmschulte: thats quite bad :< |
| 19:42.44 | Xtreme | not even num lock status changes |
| 19:42.48 | Xtreme | any solution? |
| 19:42.57 | nmschulte | homes: yeah. am I pretty much boned? |
| 19:42.57 | homes | nmschulte: can you still read off either? |
| 19:43.04 | nmschulte | homes: define read |
| 19:43.10 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: when I right click the panel, I get add new items or customize panel, those are the closest things I see to panel prefs |
| 19:43.18 | karlpinc | macroevolve: The typical debian user would type "aptitude install redmine" and that would install the package. (There's also the <readme.debian> for debian specific instructions, and other stuff in the same dir from the redmine folks that might be necessary to make it work.) |
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| 19:43.27 | macroevolve | karl: you helped me a lot actually. i wasn't thinking of searching for redmine debian squeez installation instructions (stupid me), and it had some command called chown and chmod - and with those two commands it worked =) |
| 19:43.27 | nmschulte | safecopy is trying on /dev/sdb1, but it's showing all Xs, which I think means unable to read the block |
| 19:43.28 | homes | cat /dev/sdb |
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| 19:43.37 | karlpinc | macroevolve: usually it just works when you install the package. |
| 19:43.49 | nmschulte | homes: I'll check. the disk is in another room, brb |
| 19:43.53 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: must have slightly diff menus, add new items should do the same thing |
| 19:44.02 | Xtreme | anyone? |
| 19:44.03 | macroevolve | karl: thanks for your patience with me. i really need to learn this stuff. the only thing i've used before is windows 7..this feels like a whole new ballpark |
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| 19:44.28 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Yes. But easier, because, at least on the command line, the stuff you learned in 1972 still works. |
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| 19:44.42 | karlpinc | !tell macroevolve about grounding |
| 19:44.45 | nmschulte | homes: sdb: no output (EOF, I assume). sdb1: I/O error. |
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| 19:45.06 | nmschulte | homes: is there something lower level than the block device? |
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| 19:45.21 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: yeah, it's just that the things it allows me to add look more like widgets. there are no applications in the menu. it's weird |
| 19:45.24 | Xtreme | !hang |
| 19:45.28 | karlpinc | macroevolve: And as you learn, don't forget to put comments into the config files you modify so you can look back later and see _why_ you did something. |
| 19:45.36 | valdyn | nmschulte: yes, but thats not useful for you |
| 19:45.39 | macroevolve | ok i will - thx! |
| 19:45.44 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: launcher |
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| 19:45.52 | macroevolve | appreciate it karl |
| 19:46.01 | simonlnu | karlpinc: heh, nice way to put that :) ("...stuff you learned in 1972...") |
| 19:46.06 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: ok |
| 19:46.17 | homes | valdyn: oh? i'm curious, what would that be? |
| 19:46.37 | nmschulte | valdyn: why's that? the I/O errors at the block level mean the lower level is boned too? it sounds like I need to go to the point of opening it forensically; sticking it in a very costly physical machine... |
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| 19:46.42 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: then right click the new launcher added and add your program in the general tab |
| 19:46.55 | Xtreme | anyone? |
| 19:46.57 | plotino | anybody can help to run gnoe in debian 6.0? |
| 19:46.58 | karlpinc | simonlnu: Amazing really, that that can be said. |
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| 19:47.13 | karlpinc | plotino: We're trying to help, but you don't answer us. |
| 19:47.22 | simonlnu | it is actually. in a way it's comforting |
| 19:48.08 | simonlnu | plotino: if you want help, you need to answer the questions asked of you. |
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| 19:48.18 | plotino | what ask? |
| 19:48.24 | simonlnu | this sort of thi gis a 2-way street |
| 19:48.27 | plotino | sorry i didnt read it |
| 19:48.30 | simonlnu | thing is* |
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| 19:48.36 | pjc_ | plotino: x installed? display manager installed? |
| 19:48.41 | plotino | can you repeat simonlnu? |
| 19:48.46 | tremon | Xtreme: are you running any proprietary drivers? any messages about hardware errors in dmesg? |
| 19:48.52 | plotino | i have installed only gnome |
| 19:48.56 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: got it, thank you, just need to figure out the icons now. this is xfce4, but I'm on a ppc machine, maybe it's different |
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| 19:49.29 | karlpinc | plotino: You did not install gnome by checking the checkbox in the installer, right? You did it manually. |
| 19:49.30 | Xtreme | tremon: dmesg?? (no, i am not running any 3rd party driver) |
| 19:49.32 | simonlnu | plotino: i didn't say it, hell i didn't even see it, it's the people you've been asking for help - and getting it - you need to read ;) |
| 19:49.42 | plotino | yes karlpinc |
| 19:49.44 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: /usr/share/icons is a starting point |
| 19:49.50 | tremon | Xtreme: it's a command, you may also check /var/log/kern.log |
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| 19:50.15 | karlpinc | plotino: "aptitude install gdm3" will give you the usual graphical login screen. (There are other choices, if you want them.) |
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| 19:50.49 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: thank you. do you have gnome or any other desktop installed ? I'm considering just removing gnome altogether |
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| 19:51.24 | Xtreme | nope no error |
| 19:51.26 | pjc_ | k1ssak1: no, pretty much just xdm/xfce4/xfce4-goodies |
| 19:51.33 | plotino | karlpinc : i need to aptitude purge gnome before? |
| 19:51.42 | Xtreme | tremon: just normal logs like device and wireless connection |
| 19:51.45 | karlpinc | plotino: No. They are both needed. |
| 19:51.47 | tremon | Xtreme: other than that, there's very little we can do here. A kernel freeze isn't easy to debug. See if you can trigger it reliably, then maybe ask in #linux for guidance |
| 19:51.50 | plotino | ok |
| 19:52.16 | Xtreme | well, i noticed one thing.. whenever i had kernal freeze, my ran usage was high |
| 19:52.19 | karlpinc | plotino: The Unix way is "each program does one thing and does it well". You can mix and match pieces. You need both packages. |
| 19:52.21 | Xtreme | may be above 80% |
| 19:52.40 | plotino | karlpinc i think it's already installed |
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| 19:53.06 | tremon | !tell Xtreme about memtest |
| 19:53.10 | nmschulte | homes: did valdyn respond to you? |
| 19:53.12 | karlpinc | plotino: Then if you reboot it should come up automatically. Until then, see the following: |
| 19:53.16 | tremon | if nothing else, at least to rule it out as a possible cause |
| 19:53.16 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 19:53.17 | dpkg | vt is, like, Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
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| 19:53.23 | k1ssak1 | pjc_: cool, thank you very much |
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| 19:53.39 | Xtreme | tremon: well, another thing i noticed is i have this issue while playing flv video in firefox.. (ram above 80% plus flv + firefox = freeze |
| 19:53.55 | karlpinc | plotino: So, Alt key + F7 to get to your graphical login, ctrl + alt + f1 to get back. |
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| 19:54.04 | plotino | karlpinc i have already tried to reboot |
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| 19:54.08 | tremon | Xtreme: check your machine/cpu temperature |
| 19:54.09 | plotino | but nothing happened |
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| 19:54.26 | Xtreme | tremon: which command bro? |
| 19:54.27 | plotino | i come back to the prompt |
| 19:54.56 | tremon | Xtreme: apt-get install lm-sensors, homie |
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| 19:55.31 | karlpinc | plotino: Perhaps X is not working. I'm not particularly good with that, but people will want to see your X log. Install the pastebinit program (aptitude install pastebinit). Then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and tell us the output. |
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| 19:55.40 | tremon | Xtreme: it's going to be hard to run that command after freeze, so maybe create a script that logs the cpu temp every minute |
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| 19:56.10 | s3a | is it possible to do a full drive encryption after having installed non-full drive encryption installation? |
| 19:56.22 | karlpinc | plotino: You may have firmware problems and need to install non-free firmware. |
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| 19:56.58 | Xtreme | tremon: yup its preinstalled.. well temp is 48 now.. okay will do that.. but isnt comp suppose to shut down on high temp? like off?? |
| 19:56.58 | karlpinc | s3a: Only by backup/restore to get everything onto encrypted partitions. |
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| 19:57.33 | karlpinc | s3a: Of course if you've free disk space you can copy partitions and their contents around and not have to use another box. |
| 19:58.09 | tremon | Xtreme: only if it's recent enough, and only if it's the cpu that's overheating. If it's some other chip like the southbridge on your motherboard, it will fail silently |
| 19:58.51 | s3a | karlpinc, it sounds like i should just reinstall since i want LVM as well |
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| 19:59.05 | karlpinc | s3a: That could be best. |
| 19:59.13 | karlpinc | s3a: Anything you want to save? |
| 19:59.18 | plotino | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.22 | s3a | i love the idea of getting new hardware one after the other and just continually upgrading debian and expanding the volumes :) |
| 19:59.35 | tremon | s3a be aware that you can't do full-disk encryption on your boot drive, you need at least one partition unencrypted |
| 19:59.46 | s3a | tremon, the /boot partition, right? |
| 19:59.50 | tremon | yes |
| 19:59.53 | karlpinc | s3a: You can do it without lvm, but lvm makes it easy and allows you to minize downtime. |
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| 20:00.17 | Xtreme | tremon: well memtest make total sense, i will do that.. but before that i have one more question. |
| 20:00.21 | karlpinc | !tell plotino about firmware |
| 20:00.30 | s3a | karlpinc, ya i don't feel like booting a live cd/dvd every time. i just want to swap the hdd and boot and then expand when i need space |
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| 20:00.44 | s3a | tremon, what's bad about having an unencrypted /boot? |
| 20:01.01 | karlpinc | plotino: Can you tell us the pciid of your video card? (See below) |
| 20:01.06 | karlpinc | !tell plotino about pciid |
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| 20:01.12 | Xtreme | tremon: i dont know what this feature is called, but do you know that when on ubuntu or windwos 7, when you drag the title bar to left or right side of screen, that app is docked there? how can i enable that in debian |
| 20:01.13 | s3a | if a cracker (to use the correct terminology) gets a hold of my hard drive can they put malicious stuff on /boot to get my password for the encrypted partition? |
| 20:01.13 | tremon | s3a: nothing, but it's no longer full-disk encryption if you have to leave a part open, right? |
| 20:01.14 | plotino | karlpinc i think maybe it's a video card driver problem |
| 20:01.24 | karlpinc | s3a: right |
| 20:01.39 | karlpinc | plotino: Then get us the pciid. |
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| 20:02.26 | plotino | let me see |
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| 20:02.37 | plotino | u mean video card pic id?? |
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| 20:02.45 | karlpinc | plotino: Yes. |
| 20:02.53 | tremon | Xtreme: don't know, but such a feature is tied to your window manager/desktop environment. If it's in Ubuntu, it's probably Unity which isn't available in Debian, but Gnome 3 may have a similar feature. I use neither of them |
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| 20:03.00 | plotino | i have geforce 4 mx 440 |
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| 20:03.13 | plotino | [10de:0171] |
| 20:03.15 | s3a | tremon, i get what you're saying but i'm asking: does having /boot unencrypted allow a cracker to get information via social engineering/"planting evil seeds when I'm not around" or is the only bad thing that could happen my boot files being readable? |
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| 20:03.25 | Xtreme | tremon: can i install gnome 3 on debian? |
| 20:03.27 | karlpinc | ,pciid [10de:0171] |
| 20:03.29 | judd | [10de:0171] is 'NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0171 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 20:05.22 | Xtreme | guys how to install gnome 3 on debian? |
| 20:05.26 | tremon | s3a: depends on your level of paranoia. /boot shouldn't leak any of your keys, but if an attacker has physical access to your machine he can replace your bootloader |
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| 20:05.29 | plotino | i need to install those modules?? |
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| 20:06.17 | s3a | tremon, imagine i'm tin foil hat kind of paranoid lol. if he replaces my bootloader what harm could that do? |
| 20:06.22 | plotino | lspci -k said that kernel driver in use is nouveau |
| 20:06.35 | tremon | Xtreme: gnome3 is available in debian testing |
| 20:06.38 | JoeBlue | Problem: apt-get install vzprocps - not found. Which mirrors of sources.list do i need to install the program? |
| 20:06.49 | karlpinc | plotino: At this point I don't see any required firmware. I think you may need to enable the <non-free> repo and install something. But then maybe not. You'd better ask the channel for more help. |
| 20:06.56 | tremon | s3a: you're not that paranoid if you have to ask me |
| 20:07.11 | Xtreme | tremon: which repository i have to add for it? |
| 20:07.18 | karlpinc | plotino: You never pasted your X log. |
| 20:07.27 | plotino | one second |
| 20:08.10 | karlpinc | s3a: If he's got physical access to your box he could replace your hardware, your firmware, whatever. You're screwed anyway. |
| 20:08.36 | plotino | karlpinc i dont have any Xorg.log |
| 20:08.56 | plotino | in /var/log |
| 20:08.58 | karlpinc | plotino: Xorg.0.log ? |
| 20:09.15 | tremon | !tell Xtreme about testing sources.list |
| 20:09.26 | plotino | no X.org.0.log |
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| 20:09.38 | plotino | no X-file |
| 20:09.45 | s3a | karlpinc, hard drive firmware? i'm trying to figure out how this matters not just that it matters |
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| 20:10.17 | karlpinc | s3a: I hear it's possible to do interesting things with video card firmware (and the gpu). |
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| 20:10.34 | karlpinc | s3a: Surely the bios could log all keystrokes. |
| 20:10.52 | karlpinc | plotino: What does "/etc/init.d/gdm3 restart" do? |
| 20:10.58 | Guthur | anyone aware of issue when going into suspend after do dual monitors |
| 20:11.29 | s3a | karlpinc, ok what if the cracker had access only to my hard drive and not CPU/GPU/MOBO/etc? |
| 20:11.39 | plotino | i try |
| 20:11.44 | Guthur | my desktop is no longer working properly after using dual monitors and then going into suspend |
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| 20:12.00 | s3a | karlpinc, could my installation be circumvented then? |
| 20:12.02 | karlpinc | s3a: This a bit offtopic. Wanna join #debian-offtopic? |
| 20:12.07 | s3a | alright |
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| 20:12.21 | plotino | karlpinc stopping and starting |
| 20:12.29 | plotino | but no message |
| 20:12.31 | Guthur | suspend has never worked properly on this laptop (not resuming), but this is something else |
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| 20:12.47 | rainfyre | so I installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and xdm, chose xdm as my default display manager, and did dpkg-reconfigure xdm, but I'm still defaulting into gnome, from the xfce4 splash screen. |
| 20:12.50 | tremon | s3a: he could replace your bootloader with a VM kernel, letting your linux kernel boot in a VM. Then it could open a port to the host kernel, giving full access to your machine without Linux being aware |
| 20:13.02 | plotino | uff |
| 20:13.14 | plotino | i really feel concern about that |
| 20:13.24 | plotino | it seems to be not so easy |
| 20:13.27 | tremon | plotino: install xinit and see if startx does anything for you |
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| 20:13.37 | plotino | xinit? |
| 20:13.40 | plotino | ok |
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| 20:14.33 | plotino | i think that this geforce will cause several problem to me |
| 20:14.45 | plotino | also in ubuntu i experienced simila problems |
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| 20:15.17 | tremon | it shouldn't, it's old enough to be well supported in linux and not too old to be obsolete (yet) |
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| 20:16.41 | ciupicri | is there a channel where Debian packagers gather? |
| 20:17.11 | s3a | ciupicri, i think #debian-mentors |
| 20:17.13 | plotino | tremon |
| 20:17.25 | ciupicri | s3a, * You have been kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ (Invite only channel) |
| 20:17.26 | plotino | you got a coffe payed by me |
| 20:17.35 | plotino | thanks |
| 20:17.44 | plotino | i have the login of gnome |
| 20:18.04 | plotino | but freezed :( |
| 20:18.09 | s3a | ciupicri, have you actually been kicked or did you just not identify your username on irc? |
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| 20:18.25 | Xtreme | tremon: can you please give me that link to install memtest in grub again |
| 20:18.29 | ciupicri | s3a, I am identified, it's a registered nick |
| 20:18.32 | Xtreme | i checked i dont have it anymore |
| 20:18.50 | tremon | Xtreme: /msg dpkg memtest |
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| 20:20.32 | Xtreme | tremon: there is no menu.lst in /boot/grub |
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| 20:20.46 | themill | ciupicri: wrong network, it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:20.54 | plotino | tremon i have restart |
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| 20:21.03 | plotino | how many chances it will work?? |
| 20:21.15 | ciupicri | themill, thanks |
| 20:21.17 | tremon | Xtreme: which version of grub do you have installed? (dpkg -la|grep grub) |
| 20:21.51 | Xtreme | version 2 |
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| 20:22.50 | tremon | it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but it's autogenerated. if you have installed memtest86, it should already have been added |
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| 20:23.54 | plotino | tremon |
| 20:24.17 | plotino | i have a bad graphics mouse is not clearly visible .. |
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| 20:24.34 | plotino | i need to install nvidia driver? |
| 20:25.13 | tremon | the (binary) nvidia driver doesn't support geforce4 anymore I think, but at least you should now have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste :) |
| 20:25.45 | plotino | yes |
| 20:25.57 | plotino | how to paste here? |
| 20:26.08 | plotino | im using mirc from my laptop .. |
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| 20:27.23 | trysten | dpkg, show plotino nopaste |
| 20:27.24 | dpkg | trysten: are you using Windows? |
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| 20:27.28 | trysten | no! |
| 20:27.46 | trysten | plotino: /msg dpkg nopaste |
| 20:27.46 | tremon | !paste |
| 20:27.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:28.07 | moty66_ | is there any iso available for testing wheezy installation? |
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| 20:28.33 | tremon | moty66_: you want to test the installer? |
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| 20:29.11 | moty66_ | tremon: just test the next debian, not only the installer |
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| 20:29.47 | tremon | !tell moty66_ about debian-installer |
| 20:30.14 | moty66_ | tremon: perfect, thank you |
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| 20:32.17 | moty66_ | tremon: hmmm, download installer for Debian 6.0.4 from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:32.53 | moty66_ | tremon: or maybe it is the italian version of debian website |
| 20:32.55 | tremon | where do you get that? |
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| 20:33.22 | tremon | the english version links to /releases/ for the 6.0.4 installer |
| 20:34.16 | moty66_ | tremon: so no iso for wheezy ? |
| 20:34.30 | plotino | dpkg, show plotino nopaste |
| 20:34.30 | dpkg | plotino: are you using Windows? |
| 20:34.42 | plotino | now yes |
| 20:34.48 | plotino | yes |
| 20:34.54 | tremon | plotino: you can do /msg dpkg nopaste |
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| 20:36.50 | ompaul | moty66_: not one that is "production ready" - but then it is not stable |
| 20:36.59 | tremon | moty66_: cdimage.d.o/cdimage/daily-builds, but be aware that that's only for testing the installer, which is why I asked. You can install wheezy also from the squeeze installer |
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| 20:37.47 | moty66_ | tremon: i did sqeeze->wheezy and it was fine, now I have some time to make some tests, so I wanted to install a fresh iso of wheezy |
| 20:38.31 | moty66_ | tremon: i think the url is wrong |
| 20:39.14 | tremon | the english version works fine in my browser, it links to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:39.41 | moty66 | tremon: oops d.o = debian.org, i didn't get that |
| 20:39.45 | ompaul | moty66: why not backup /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:39.55 | tremon | ah :) |
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| 20:40.43 | moty66 | is downloading debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:41.17 | moty66 | ompaul: I don't know what you are talking about :S |
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| 20:43.54 | moty66 | is it important to do the md5sum after downloading a file of 230M |
| 20:44.06 | cedr | sure why not |
| 20:44.21 | moty66 | never did that in my life |
| 20:44.52 | tremon | moty66: how important is your time? You can take a gamble and walk through the entire installer, only to find that one of the archives has been corrupted, or you can spend 20 seconds to check before booting :) |
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| 20:45.28 | moty66 | tremon: yep, my time is important, but I really don't know how to do it :) |
| 20:45.39 | tremon | md5sum <iso> |
| 20:46.00 | moty66 | do I have to download the md5sum.smalll from debian website ? |
| 20:46.22 | tremon | no, only install the program if you don't have it. Then compare its output with the listing |
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| 20:47.02 | plotino | tremon: pastebin.com/4dSb1PnS |
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| 20:48.42 | plotino | at the moment the mouse pointer is a raw square |
| 20:48.48 | plotino | no arrow is visible |
| 20:49.24 | ompaul | moty66: so what I said was backup the stuff you won't have to redownload them - also get yourself a squeeze iso in case the wheezy one does not work (yes that has happened) |
| 20:49.43 | tremon | plotino: that appears fine. It's using the open-source nvidia driver and detecting your monitor (1920x1080 is the correct resolution, right?) |
| 20:50.13 | tremon | there's one error about missing 3d acceleration, but I can't tell you how to resolve it as I don't have an nvidia card |
| 20:50.39 | plotino | right |
| 20:50.49 | plotino | how to adjust the mouse pointer? |
| 20:50.55 | tremon | do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf right now? |
| 20:51.20 | moty66 | ompaul: I just have an empty hardisk to make a new installation test |
| 20:51.29 | plotino | i dont know |
| 20:51.42 | plotino | i have installed as you recommend me xinit |
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| 20:52.00 | tremon | probably not, so create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/device.conf with this content: http://paste.debian.net/167215/ |
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| 20:52.50 | tremon | that should force X to use the default (vesa) driver instead of nouveau. If that works, you should probably follow up on the nouveau channel for more help |
| 20:53.27 | plotino | i have to create the dir xorg.conf.d? and after the file device.conf? |
| 20:53.33 | tremon | yes |
| 20:53.35 | trysten | can i suid /bin/umount? |
| 20:53.45 | plotino | ok |
| 20:53.53 | trysten | (is it an awful idea or something?) |
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| 20:55.09 | tremon | trysten: it's your machine, but there's probably a reason why it currently is not |
| 20:55.30 | trysten | tremon: is yours? how do you unmount things? |
| 20:55.37 | mongo | I I am trying to trace down a broken dm rule I see that udev sets the /dev/disk/dm-* links but does anyone know where the rules are that set /dev/disk/by-id/wwn* names? |
| 20:55.58 | nvz | most burning apps I've used espeically those with GUI checksum the ISO automatically before burning all you have to do is compare it |
| 20:56.23 | melik | hello how can i configure my debian box to permanent have a connection speed of 100 mbit autonegotiation off? |
| 20:56.32 | mongo | oh never mind I have a regex fail it is 60-persistent-storage.rules |
| 20:56.38 | SpComb | melik: ethtool |
| 20:56.48 | melik | SpComb, yes but upon restarting |
| 20:56.51 | tremon | trysten: uh... yes mine isn't. Then I retract my statement; there's probably a reason why it currently is not, but it's not default policy |
| 20:56.59 | tremon | :) |
| 20:57.05 | SpComb | melik: dunno, something in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:57.10 | melik | autonegotiation is on and it negotiates to 1000mbit |
| 20:57.12 | SpComb | probably a pre-up |
| 20:57.36 | melik | yeah i see an ethtool script in /etc/network/if-up/ and it says it retrieves cnfiguration from the interfaces file |
| 20:57.36 | tremon | trysten: never noticed because I always (un)mount with sudo, don't use a device manager |
| 20:57.37 | SpComb | to force it down from 1000mbit to 100mbps if the kernel/initrd already brought it up in auto mode |
| 20:57.56 | plotino | tremon |
| 20:58.08 | plotino | i have done it |
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| 20:58.16 | melik | but i'm having trouble understanding how to configure and was hoping somebody had knowledge in that field |
| 20:58.29 | macroevolve | hi guys - i'm really new at using debian (well linux, for that matter) - i just had someone ssh into my pc and set up a program for me. In order to ensure that he can't reaccess the PC, I've changed the root password and have disabled SSH access in my router. Do you guys know if there is any other way he could get into the PC (or something I missed)? Thx |
| 20:58.29 | SpComb | never done that specifically |
| 20:58.30 | tremon | plotino: you probably have a different resolution now. Is the mouse cursor normal? |
| 20:58.51 | SpComb | iirc the /etc/network/if-up/ config scripts tend to be a little poorly documented |
| 20:59.14 | tremon | macroevolve: he could have done anything, including installing his own access tool |
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| 20:59.17 | mongo | melik: if you are using /etc/network/interfaces put in a line like this |
| 20:59.26 | nvz | macroevolve: he could get in via the backdoor in the program he installed.. heh |
| 20:59.27 | plotino | i have only create the file |
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| 20:59.35 | plotino | i have to restart something |
| 20:59.37 | mongo | up sleep 5; ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 100 duplex full |
| 20:59.37 | melik | i am using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:59.55 | tremon | plotino: ah... yes, restart X (or your machine) |
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| 21:00.12 | macroevolve | tremon, nvz: oh shoot... that's not good - is there any way to find out and ensure that he can't get back in? or to see if he did install any programs? |
| 21:00.12 | mongo | melik: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 21:00.13 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Once you give away root you have to trust the person you gave it to. |
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| 21:00.43 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You could run debsums. But really, once you're cracked the only _certain_ way is to reinstall. |
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| 21:01.37 | ompaul | macroevolve: see what karlpinc said ... debsums could have been corrupted also |
| 21:01.41 | karlpinc | macroevolve: (Changing the root password should have been enough. It's also a good idea to disable access to root with passwords via ssh, just to keep someone from randomly guessing the right password.) |
| 21:01.46 | macroevolve | oh man - that's bad - so it sounds like there is really no way for me to really block him off now |
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| 21:01.56 | macroevolve | thanks guys for your tips |
| 21:02.02 | ompaul | macroevolve: you live and learn |
| 21:02.06 | karlpinc | macroevolve: You could unplug from the internet. |
| 21:02.11 | scwizard | according to "vlc -vvv --no-plugins-cache --list" I'm missing avcodec |
| 21:02.20 | scwizard | does anyone have any idea why this might be the case? |
| 21:02.23 | ompaul | guesses that is one mistake that will not be made again |
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| 21:02.27 | plotino | tremon sorry but for changing resolution dont be sufficient to change iton moiƬnitor settings |
| 21:02.28 | melik | mongo, thank you! that worked :D |
| 21:02.29 | macroevolve | yeah i had asked him to help me install redmine |
| 21:02.33 | nvz | and wear a tin foil hat or build a home made faraday cage |
| 21:02.47 | plotino | tremon the system is not restarting :( |
| 21:02.50 | macroevolve | unfortunately, for redmine project management software, my developer would need access to it (so it would need to be plugged to the internet) |
| 21:02.53 | plotino | it is bloched |
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| 21:03.34 | macroevolve | karl: i'll try running debsums now |
| 21:03.52 | trysten | plotino: i've had your problem before, i think. are you using xorg.conf? |
| 21:04.04 | ompaul | macroevolve: that is not all, there could be something left there that shouldn't be |
| 21:04.06 | karlpinc | macroevolve: (You might want to learn to use the tab key autocompletion. Both in irc and on the command line.) |
| 21:04.31 | plotino | it says firmware bug :( |
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| 21:04.35 | plotino | uff .. |
| 21:04.37 | tremon | macroevolve: 1) boot from livecd, downloaded from a different machine 2) reinstall bootloader and kernel 3) reboot into (presumed clean) system 4) find / -exec dpkg -S '{}' \; | grep 'not found' 5) install debsums 6) reinstall your bootloader and kernel again |
| 21:04.37 | Sciuro | acc off |
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| 21:04.58 | tremon | downloaded /on/ a different machine |
| 21:05.01 | trysten | plotino: search your video driver docs for something like SWcursor |
| 21:05.23 | macroevolve | tremon: ok - he had done a custom install of redmine for me. is there a way i can do all what you mentioned and just clone the redmine setup on the new machine? |
| 21:05.25 | plotino | but now to restart?? |
| 21:05.30 | macroevolve | (sorry same machine, but new OS install) |
| 21:05.41 | tremon | trysten: his xorg.conf is http://paste.debian.net/167215/, I just told him to create it :) |
| 21:05.48 | craigevil | scwizard, using that same commands shows avcodec is in ffmpeg, but i use both vlc and ffmpeg from dmm |
| 21:06.16 | macroevolve | karl: when you recommended the "tab" key - how do you mean? I just tried it and it looks like it added in some random text? |
| 21:06.25 | karlpinc | macroevolve: He's suggesting a method of being sorta confident in your existing setup. |
| 21:06.42 | karlpinc | macroevolve: In irc type "ka" then tab. |
| 21:06.45 | tremon | plotino: ctrl-alt-del always works for me (since you're not doing anything useful with the machine, that's fine) |
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| 21:07.16 | file-exists-p | is there a way to execute a *user* script when coming back from suspend ? |
| 21:07.21 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Thing is, he installed redmine. How do you know he didn't install a corrupted copy used to access your computer? |
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| 21:07.31 | moty66 | macroevolve: it is not so hard to install redmine on debian, i just did that some hours ago. so you can dump the database, save the fold vendor/plugins and make a new install of debian and redmine |
| 21:07.34 | macroevolve | ok that's cool - i didn't know that - thx for the shortcut |
| 21:07.42 | scwizard | craigevil, paul@home:~$ dpkg -l | grep ffmpeg <- this gives crickets? Does this mean I don't have ffmpeg on my desktop? But I must! Because on my desktop I do have avcodec in vlc |
| 21:08.06 | tremon | macroevolve: depends on how he installed it. if it's just debian packages, you can use dpkg --get-selections. If it's custom install, you might get away with tar'ing /opt or /usr/local. There's no way for us to know |
| 21:08.11 | macroevolve | karlpinc: shoot.. i don't know that - i guess the only way to be safe is to completely redo everything |
| 21:08.18 | karlpinc | !tell macroevolve about aptitude clone |
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| 21:09.10 | scwizard | craigevil, also I don't have debian multimedia in my sources.list for my desktop |
| 21:09.11 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Tab works on the command line too. |
| 21:09.27 | plotino | Ctrl+alt+del to restart |
| 21:09.32 | macroevolve | k got it |
| 21:09.38 | plotino | but to delete the file i have c reated |
| 21:09.43 | plotino | ?? |
| 21:09.49 | scwizard | hmm maybe somehow a version of ffmpeg was installed, but not through the package manager :o |
| 21:10.00 | moty66 | macro |
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| 21:10.20 | tremon | macroevolve: the only way to be safe is to do everything yourself, the only way to have peace of mind is to trust the people that work for you |
| 21:10.32 | karlpinc | macroevolve: Note that the <aptitude clone> copy won't have the same configuration changes/passwords/etc/etc. |
| 21:10.57 | tremon | plotino: why do you need to delete it? Have you restarted already and it didn't work? |
| 21:10.58 | macroevolve | tremon: yeah - he is a contractor i hired from an online site (like elance) - so it's hard to trust someone that i just met. i am a bit concerned because i will have a development project on that (it's my main business) |
| 21:11.01 | plotino | i think to reinstall all the stuff |
| 21:11.01 | karlpinc | macroevolve: tremon +1 |
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| 21:11.31 | macroevolve | well he does "work" for me.. but no really =).. i just met him a few days ago |
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| 21:11.44 | karlpinc | macroevolve: The good news is that you can google him. |
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| 21:12.12 | macroevolve | yeah i can.. he's in romania - don't know what repercussions if any there are, if he hacks in to my system |
| 21:12.26 | macroevolve | if you guys were me.. it sounds like you would just redo the thing from scratch |
| 21:12.46 | ompaul | macroevolve: reinstall already, you should have lost confidence already |
| 21:12.56 | ompaul | macroevolve: and reinstall by getting a cd from another machine |
| 21:13.01 | macroevolve | ok |
| 21:13.09 | macroevolve | will do - thx guys |
| 21:14.28 | moty66 | macroevolve: al least dumpo the database of redmine, but make sure that he didn't add an administrator user to redmine :) |
| 21:14.56 | ompaul | and you can trust there are no macros stuck in there |
| 21:15.03 | ompaul | or maybe you can't |
| 21:15.33 | ompaul | back up your data by all means but verify everything you ever want to look at again |
| 21:15.33 | scwizard | ok! there is no libavcodec_plugin.so in the plugins folder |
| 21:15.39 | scwizard | so I just need to figure out which package provides libavcodec_plugin.so |
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| 21:16.18 | scwizard | if I have a file on my computer that was installed as part of a package, how do I figure out which package provides the file? |
| 21:16.20 | ompaul | , versions libavcodec |
| 21:16.21 | judd | No package named 'libavcodec' was found in i386. |
| 21:16.26 | ompaul | ,versions libavcodec53 |
| 21:16.27 | judd | Package: libavcodec53 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 5:0.8.1-4; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.3; sid: 6:0.8.1-7; sid-multimedia: 7:0.10.2-dmo3 |
| 21:16.32 | scwizard | ahh |
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| 21:17.00 | ompaul | scwizard: apt-cache search libavcodec |
| 21:17.11 | scwizard | ompaul, I did that and nothing came up |
| 21:17.19 | scwizard | maybe I shoudl ahve done *libavcodec* |
| 21:17.24 | scwizard | oh wait |
| 21:17.29 | scwizard | it's cause i searched libavcodec.so |
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| 21:18.00 | craigevil | apt-file search would have given you results for libavcodec.so |
| 21:18.03 | Xtreme | tremon: bad news bro.. memory test passed. 0 errors |
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| 21:18.20 | tremon | Xtreme: normal people would consider that good news :) |
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| 21:18.36 | ompaul | craigevil: but you must then inform people that is a package in and of itself |
| 21:18.43 | scwizard | libavcodec53 is already the newest version. libavcodec53 set to manually installed. <- *faceplant* apparently libavcodec53 does NOT provide /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so |
| 21:18.48 | Xtreme | tremon: but now we dont know what the problem is :( |
| 21:18.55 | TheWarden | well this is a first for me. I can't login to the GUI anymore for some reason. I'm prompted to login and I pick the user and enter the password hit login and it just sits there at the login screen with the background showing only. Nothing else happens. |
| 21:18.57 | scwizard | which package provides /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so ??? |
| 21:18.58 | tremon | eyes suspiciously at apt-cacher-ng's use of 200M resident memory |
| 21:19.20 | sary | oh well , after upgrading to testing and on the 1st attemp to reboot .. the restart process gets stuck on [ 9.xxxxx ] state : kxce will restart the new kernel . |
| 21:19.22 | simonlnu | oh it's awful for memory usage |
| 21:19.30 | Xtreme | tremon: any suggestions how to debug it? |
| 21:19.33 | TheWarden | I'm not sure what the heck caused this as I was using it but not it doesn't work. The only way I can login is via SSH. |
| 21:19.41 | scwizard | oh the package vlc does |
| 21:19.46 | scwizard | I can find this with google apparently |
| 21:20.05 | TheWarden | Any ideas where to begin or should I just accept it and re-install? I really don't want to re-install as I spent hours setting it up today. |
| 21:20.52 | tremon | Xtreme: not beyond what I've already told you... it's temperature problems, unstable hardware or #linux for you. Or others on this channel may have suggestions |
| 21:20.53 | trysten | TheWarden: when you are prompted for login, is that in GUI? |
| 21:21.11 | Xtreme | thanks :) |
| 21:21.19 | sary | another thing is , something missed up the default theme as described herehttp://goo.gl/9ZZ4q |
| 21:21.19 | tremon | TheWarden: is it accepting keyboard input? does the mouse cursor move? |
| 21:21.28 | scwizard | ok so it turned out to be a bug in debian |
| 21:21.33 | craigevil | scwizard, vlc provides it, vlc: /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so |
| 21:21.34 | scwizard | I should report it |
| 21:21.41 | TheWarden | The only thing I can thing of that might have messaged up X or Gnome is when I was removing unwanted software/libraries. This is what I removed roughly, http://pastie.org/3855909. |
| 21:21.49 | scwizard | package vlc-nox does NOT provide /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so <- this is a bug |
| 21:21.56 | sary | But , gnome-settings-daemon is enabled . |
| 21:22.00 | TheWarden | trysten: GUI yes, SSH via shell appears to work fine. |
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| 21:22.11 | scwizard | a package lackign x support should not be lacking other things as well, such as plugins for decoding audio |
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| 21:22.35 | hotwings | does anyone know if the package had a name change? -> E: Unable to locate package nfs-utils |
| 21:22.39 | hotwings | debian testing here |
| 21:22.52 | TheWarden | tremon: in the GUI the mouse cursor moves allows me to select the user and input the password via keyboard. Once I click login it just sits there with nothing on the screen but a mouse cursor and the login screen wallpaper. |
| 21:23.05 | tremon | TheWarden: zgrep remove /var/log/dpkg.log* | sort |
| 21:23.19 | trysten | TheWarden: smells like your WM is broken, did you update or install another one? |
| 21:23.40 | tremon | TheWarden: did you change .bashrc or .bash_profile recently? or their global counterparts? |
| 21:23.58 | tremon | TheWarden: can you run scripts from a text console? |
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| 23:06.45 | themill | hotwings: nfs-utils is a source package not a debian package; /msg judd binaries nfs-utils |
| 23:06.54 | themill | s/debian/binary/ gah |
| 23:08.13 | hotwings | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 23:18.00 | tekzilla | maybe stupid question: do arrays have to be in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf to be started by initramfs |
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| 23:29.44 | Resilience | I'm using debian testing, and gnome has disappeared! what packages do I have to install to get gnome back again? |
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| 23:30.57 | streuner | GNOME is still part of Debian |
| 23:31.07 | nsadmin | you're sure the packages are uninstalled? |
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| 23:31.15 | streuner | it changed to version 3 |
| 23:31.29 | nsadmin | oh, in testing? how long ago? |
| 23:31.35 | Resilience | nsdamin I'm sure |
| 23:31.35 | somiaj | Resilience: there is a gnome meta package, but gnome shouldn't disapear. Do you read what packages apt installs/removes during thse upgrades? |
| 23:31.40 | Resilience | nsdmaybe a couple of days |
| 23:31.48 | streuner | judd, versions gnome-session |
| 23:31.49 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 3.2.1-1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
| 23:32.31 | nsadmin | streuner, at like today's mirror pulse maybe? |
| 23:32.45 | streuner | no idea |
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| 23:33.02 | streuner | nsadmin: its in sid in ages |
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| 23:33.12 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 23:33.58 | streuner | nsadmin: i think, about 6 months behind *bunt* :-P |
| 23:34.02 | Resilience | nsdso.. what do i do? |
| 23:35.02 | nsadmin | Resilience, if it's changed since the last time you updated, you could try installing "gnome" again... having said that, your world is probably about to change, fyi |
| 23:35.45 | Resilience | nsadmin, the problem is that when I try to install gnome.. well. aptitude tries to remove some other packages... |
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| 23:36.38 | streuner | if you dont use stable its often so... |
| 23:36.51 | streuner | you just remove packages and reinstall them |
| 23:37.02 | nsadmin | them's the breaks in testing... I dunno what else to say, except it's a moving target |
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| 23:37.07 | Resilience | oh, so manual streuner ? |
| 23:37.18 | nsadmin | you -could- dist-upgrade |
| 23:37.26 | Resilience | nsadmin, I was not asking for "justification" only for advice ;D |
| 23:37.27 | nsadmin | but then a lot more will change |
| 23:37.43 | Resilience | nsadmin, I do dist-upgrade almost everyday... |
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| 23:38.27 | somiaj | Resilience: so doing one of thses installs you didn't read what apt/aptitude told you it was going to do and removed gnome. |
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| 23:38.50 | somiaj | Resilience: you have a package conflict, which packages are conflicting and should they conflict or is it a bug. If they should conflict decide which ones you want. |
| 23:39.11 | nsadmin | ok, so my advice on that, is not just read the list of what dist-upgrade will do, but add the date and append to a file you keep as a journal |
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| 23:40.07 | abrotman | you can use 'script" |
| 23:40.19 | Resilience | abrotman, waht's script? |
| 23:40.20 | streuner | script? |
| 23:40.37 | abrotman | man script ? |
| 23:40.49 | abrotman | not like i'm crazy, these things come with man pages! |
| 23:40.51 | nsadmin | yeah, but I'm not necessarily the whole output, just where it lists what it's going to do and asks yes or no |
| 23:41.06 | Resilience | abrotman, you're crazy man xD |
| 23:41.32 | abrotman | wonders how much of the output nsadmin might be |
| 23:41.40 | Resilience | nsadmin, sounds like a good advice in order to konow waht went wrong |
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| 23:42.33 | biesbjerg | I'm experiencing an issue with varnish where I run a benchmark on one png file I get 900+ req/s, but on another I get 60 req/s - any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 23:42.37 | streuner | Resilience: we need the whole error and your sources.list to be sure whats your problem is... |
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| 23:43.09 | biesbjerg | I confirmed that the request gets a varnish cache hit |
| 23:43.15 | Resilience | streuner, there are some conflicts, and gnome is not there anymore |
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| 23:43.40 | streuner | Resilience: GNOME exists, not matter its stable, testing or unstable... |
| 23:44.46 | streuner | Resilience: as we told you before, confilcts sometimes happens, if you upgrade to a higher version... |
| 23:45.24 | streuner | judd, versions gnome-session |
| 23:45.25 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 3.2.1-1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
| 23:46.02 | themill | it would be good to see real output rather than "some conflicts" |
| 23:47.00 | Resilience | themill, waht type of output? tell me and I will pastebin it |
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| 23:47.20 | streuner | Resilience: you heard what themill you us, please tell us the *WHOLE* output, everything |
| 23:47.31 | streuner | told* |
| 23:47.49 | streuner | error messages, sources.list |
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| 23:47.54 | themill | Resilience: whatever you're claiming is producing "some conflicts". We don't know what command you've is either... |
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| 23:53.23 | streuner | wonders what happens, something we shouldnt see in her/his sources.list... |
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| 23:56.28 | streuner | !tell Resilience about bobbitt |
| 23:56.57 | sifu6699 | msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 23:57.29 | streuner | sifu6699: production server? |
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| 23:57.57 | sifu6699 | streuner no, homepc |
| 23:58.02 | Resilience | streuner, I'm not "install binary packages from different branches" |
| 23:58.21 | streuner | Resilience: so please tell us details... |
| 23:58.45 | streuner | sifu6699: well, still on lenny? impossible, IMO |