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| 00:00.58 | Resilience | streuner I have reinstalled gnome (apt-get install gnome) and it erased the packages "at-spi gnome-accessibility" and when I log into X (and gnome) I have an "splash screen" that tolds me "oh no, something has gone wrong, A problem occurred and the system can't recover. Some of the extensions below may have caused this. Please try disabling some of these, and then log out and try again" but, everything is "off" |
| 00:01.10 | sifu6699 | streuner: yeah, squeeze freezed on my computers |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | Resilience: logout, try again |
| 00:01.42 | Resilience | abrotman, logout from x you mean? I tried event to restart gdm3.... |
| 00:01.47 | sifu6699 | streuner: dell latitude,acer laptops and ibm pcs |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | Resilience: i had the same thing this afternoon, worked fine the second time |
| 00:03.45 | sifu6699 | streuner:i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to sid; is it ok? |
| 00:03.55 | streuner | no |
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| 00:04.53 | sifu6699 | streuner: what do you suggest? i absolutely cant use squeeze; it's intell graphics packages are unstable and buggy and not yet fixed |
| 00:05.21 | Resilience | abrotman, 3 logs, 3 wrongs |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | try new user |
| 00:07.01 | Resilience | abrotman, I will try it (but I have to create it)... seems something about compatibility problems between at-spi and libatk-adaptor |
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| 00:07.44 | sifu6699 | im trying to upgrade from lenny to sid |
| 00:08.12 | streuner | only to fix a problem, and you have no idea whats going on |
| 00:08.34 | streuner | rather if the new packages will fix your issue... |
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| 00:09.08 | streuner | but, /me would most likely try the same most times |
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| 00:10.44 | streuner | skfj |
| 00:10.59 | streuner | sifu6699: i would just use VESA if its possible |
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| 00:12.13 | streuner | sifu6699: if its not possible and if its not a laptop, i would just use some videocard which is supported |
| 00:12.15 | somiaj | sifu6699: what intell driver? would the backports one work? |
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| 00:12.16 | Resilience | abrotman, it (does not) work the same for another user |
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| 00:13.14 | sifu6699 | somiaj:no |
| 00:14.14 | sifu6699 | somiaj: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller |
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| 00:14.35 | streuner | dpkg, listvals 82845 |
| 00:14.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of '82845' by value returned no results. |
| 00:15.33 | abrotman | Resilience: make sure you're all the way up to date, and the gnome package is installed |
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| 00:16.24 | Resilience | abrotman I have just reinstalled right now, and apt-get dist-upgrade ends with no trouble |
| 00:16.34 | BoyBlunder | anyone have any good book recommendations on debian administration? |
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| 00:17.02 | streuner | sifu6699: no entry in dpkg's db, which is a bad sign, can you tell us PCIID? |
| 00:17.03 | aguitel | anyway to install xfce 4.10 in testing ? |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | Resilience: aptitude, not apt-get |
| 00:17.18 | abrotman | BoyBlunder: raphael hertzog |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 00:17.28 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10~pre2 |
| 00:17.30 | streuner | aguitel: /msg dpkg fce |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | aguitel: doesn't seem that way |
| 00:17.35 | streuner | aguitel: /msg dpkg xfce |
| 00:17.36 | Resilience | abrotman, I'm doing with apt-get and then I run aptitude interactively.. is it wrong? |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | Resilience: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade; aptitude install gnome |
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| 00:18.13 | aguitel | thanks |
| 00:18.37 | sifu6699 | streuner:Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV/E Processor to I/O Controller - 2560 |
| 00:18.37 | sifu6699 | Intel(R) 82801DB/DBM SMBus Controller - 24C3 |
| 00:18.37 | sifu6699 | SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio |
| 00:18.37 | sifu6699 | ACPI Power Button |
| 00:18.37 | sifu6699 | Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller |
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| 00:18.40 | BoyBlunder | abrotman, what does that mean? |
| 00:18.47 | abrotman | BoyBlunder: he's the author |
| 00:18.59 | BoyBlunder | oh, i'm not finding anything on amazon |
| 00:19.14 | abrotman | BoyBlunder: oh wait .. maybe that's the wrong one |
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| 00:19.38 | streuner | dpkg, listvals 82801 |
| 00:19.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of '82801' by value (1): ich. |
| 00:19.49 | streuner | !ich |
| 00:19.49 | dpkg | I/O Controller Hub (ICH, aka Intel 82801) is <Intel>'s term for a southbridge chip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub |
| 00:19.57 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:20.04 | sifu6699 | streuner:Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV/E Processor to I/O Controller - 2560 |
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| 00:20.06 | sifu6699 | Intel(R) 82801DB/DBM SMBus Controller - 24C3 |
| 00:20.09 | abrotman | what isn't working for sifu ? |
| 00:20.15 | streuner | sifu6699: use "lspci -nn" |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | and use a damn pastebin |
| 00:20.47 | streuner | his videocard doenst work, no matter if he using stable or anything else... |
| 00:20.48 | somiaj | sifu6699: I see variious google posts about fixing it. Most say just get newer versions fo the drivers, xorg-xserver from squeeze-backports will probabaly work |
| 00:20.59 | somiaj | sifu6699: they also have suggestions to turning off dri and other thigns in xorg.conf |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | we only need 'lspci -nn| grep VGA' |
| 00:21.25 | abrotman | BoyBlunder: let me look |
| 00:21.34 | BoyBlunder | thanks abrotman |
| 00:21.39 | sifu6699 | streuner:.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01) |
| 00:21.48 | aguitel | abrotman, see that :http://packages.debian.org/experimental/xfce4 |
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| 00:21.56 | streuner | sifu6699: please use what abrotman told you |
| 00:22.05 | abrotman | BoyBlunder: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | aguitel: that's experimental .. good luck |
| 00:22.20 | BoyBlunder | abrotman, you are a gentleman and a scholar, thank you |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 00:22.28 | streuner | sifu6699: <abrotman> we only need 'lspci -nn| grep VGA' |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | sifu6699: that card should just work .. it's like 7 years old |
| 00:22.33 | sifu6699 | streuner:ok, here's the output:PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 81) |
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| 00:22.46 | sifu6699 | abrotman:PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 81) |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | right, i didn't see that the first five times |
| 00:23.01 | aguitel | abrotman, yes i see but how to add experimental repo in sources.list ? |
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| 00:23.13 | sifu6699 | PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 81) |
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| 00:23.36 | Resilience | abrotman, the same |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | aguitel: see .. that's the tricky part .. if you want to use experimental, you get to figure that out .. those packages are possibly dangerous |
| 00:24.02 | aguitel | abramart, ok |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | Resilience: i'm in gnome3 right now .. perhaps try looking at your error log |
| 00:24.29 | streuner | sifu6699: doesnt look to me fine, we need the output of VGA |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | how did sifu install X ? |
| 00:25.06 | streuner | nobody knows... |
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| 00:25.38 | somiaj | seems that card has issues, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/intel-82845g-788563/page3.html -- just use squeeze backports and don't follow that guys advise on installing stuff from wheezy |
| 00:26.02 | streuner | but, on the other hand, there is no entry about his videocard at all in dpkg's db... |
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| 00:26.47 | sifu6699 | streuner:ok- 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01) |
| 00:26.52 | streuner | somiaj: no wonder, but in most cases intel videocards just works |
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| 00:27.11 | streuner | judd, pcidd 8086:2562 |
| 00:27.15 | Resilience | abrotman, /var/log what? |
| 00:27.23 | dvs | streuner: even Sandy/Ivy Bridge? |
| 00:27.30 | streuner | judd, pciid 8086:2562 |
| 00:27.31 | judd | [8086:2562] is '82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2562 |
| 00:27.43 | streuner | dvs, no idea |
| 00:27.53 | sifu6699 | somiaj: thaks- are you sure backports will solve this? |
| 00:27.55 | afidegnum | hello, pls what usually causes a server to have an intermittent timeout? |
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| 00:28.47 | abrotman | Resilience: probably in $HOME |
| 00:28.54 | somiaj | sifu6699: I am reasonable confident |
| 00:29.02 | streuner | sifu6699: no, videocard issues are usually an issue of intel (in this case)... |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | that card is so darn old, it should just work |
| 00:29.15 | sifu6699 | somiaj:thanks; now i think i can upgrade to squeeze from lenny; can u tell me the steps please; i have aptoncd iso images |
| 00:29.17 | somiaj | sifu6699: the xorg in backports is similar to the version in wheezy that guy is using that said fix it, add those xorg.conf issues and you should be fine. Also install a backported kernel to be fine |
| 00:29.32 | somiaj | sifu6699: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 00:29.41 | somiaj | sifu6699: make sure to read the release noets and follow the instructions it isn't a trival upgrade. |
| 00:30.11 | sifu6699 | somiaj: thanks a lot |
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| 00:30.38 | streuner | abrotman: a bug could happen, even if you using newer packages... |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 00:31.10 | streuner | in most cases its true, sure |
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| 00:32.29 | streuner | ALSA wont support my soundcard in my laptop, that bug exist since about 2 years... |
| 00:32.46 | streuner | Intel |
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| 00:33.37 | Devastator | ,versions linux-image |
| 00:33.38 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
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| 00:33.47 | Devastator | :/ |
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| 00:35.09 | Devastator | squeeze install gives me 4 options.. linux-image-2.6-486, -686, linux-image-2.6.32-5-486, -686 |
| 00:35.09 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 00:35.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 00:36.32 | Devastator | so basically linux-image-2.6-686 is the same version of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686? |
| 00:36.48 | streuner | i guess for stable |
| 00:37.08 | Devastator | let's see, i don't mind reinstalling :) |
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| 00:37.23 | streuner | 2.6-686 is a metapackage... |
| 00:37.28 | dvs | Devastator: You won't lose the old kernel |
| 00:37.40 | Devastator | dvs it's a brand new install.. |
| 00:37.58 | dvs | Devastator: In that case, nothing will happen |
| 00:40.18 | Devastator | this will be my spare server, for me to upgrade my lenny server without headaches |
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| 00:41.59 | dvs | will it b your main server eventually? |
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| 00:42.32 | Devastator | dvs if lenny->squeeze goes well, no |
| 00:42.46 | Devastator | it's not even a server, sorry, it's a router/firewall |
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| 00:45.41 | simplew | can anyone help with the text installer to encrypt root partitions? i have tried but i dont see a way to set the mount point of the encrypted partitions |
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| 00:46.12 | abrotman | simplew: please do not evade bans |
| 00:46.29 | kbar | rofl wut |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | simplew: it can be considered a network offense and they can remove you from the entire network. Thank you |
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| 00:47.38 | Blue1 | !md5sum |
| 00:47.40 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 00:47.58 | Blue1 | okay would like to know if tha't 32 bit 64 bit... |
| 00:48.10 | Blue1 | where can I find those on the website, because I an't finding it |
| 00:48.42 | streuner | Blue1: usually on the website you dowload it? |
| 00:48.51 | ectospasm | it's usually a set of sum files in the same directory where you download the ISO from. |
| 00:49.49 | Blue1 | streuner: i am here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ not seeing md5sums |
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| 00:50.36 | streuner | Blue1: maybe its on a lower level there |
| 00:50.54 | Blue1 | i am still schleepping |
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| 00:51.29 | streuner | Blue1: but, trust me on that one, you can trust debian, if you have the right DNS :-P |
| 00:51.48 | nsadmin | Blue1, md5sum for an image? |
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| 00:52.00 | Blue1 | streuner: i just want to verifty the md5sum that's all but that information does not appear to be available |
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| 00:52.14 | Blue1 | i know how to md5sum |
| 00:52.23 | Blue1 | i just need to find out what they say it is |
| 00:52.52 | streuner | Blue1: what is the exact URL for that iso? |
| 00:52.54 | ectospasm | like I said, sum files should be in the same mirror directory you downloaded the ISO from. |
| 00:53.09 | streuner | true |
| 00:53.14 | nsadmin | streuner, I'm not so trusting of US govt, who could choose to influence dns |
| 00:53.14 | Diopter | Blue1: You have to actually go look in a mirror to find the sums. For instance: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 00:53.52 | nsadmin | ectospasm, agreed, and I was going to suggest that location |
| 00:53.57 | Blue1 | diopter thanks excactly what I was looking for |
| 00:54.08 | Diopter | Blue1: You bet |
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| 00:54.20 | streuner | nsadmin: sounds like a real admin :-P |
| 00:54.41 | streuner | nsadmin: but, WHO the hell is interesting to fake DNS about Debian... |
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| 00:55.04 | ArmOrAttAk | hi! |
| 00:55.33 | ArmOrAttAk | how do install gimp 2.8 on this squeeze? |
| 00:55.39 | nsadmin | streuner, that's a good question... it depends on debian's perceived importance |
| 00:55.55 | nsadmin | and I'm going to stop here, that's getting too far from the topic |
| 00:56.00 | abrotman | ArmOrAttAk: it was just released today! |
| 00:56.01 | dvs | ,versions gimp |
| 00:56.02 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; sid: 2.6.12-1+b2; wheezy: 2.6.12-1+b2 |
| 00:56.25 | nsadmin | ArmOrAttAk, looks like you'd have to build it |
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| 00:56.39 | ArmOrAttAk | i can do that |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | well, off you go! |
| 00:57.08 | ArmOrAttAk | yes, i'm off installing gimp 2.8 |
| 00:57.50 | nsadmin | ArmOrAttAk, this could be a timewaster (or not) but I'll suggest it anyway, maybe you can take the packaging for one of those versions, and see if you can make 2.8 packages |
| 00:57.57 | silouck | im trying to install but im having dificulties in the partitioting stage, would anyone help ? |
| 00:58.24 | silouck | s/partioting/partioning |
| 00:58.34 | nsadmin | a less time-wastey way, is to talk to the gimp maint(s) to see if they have already tried, and/or have packaging already working with 2.8 |
| 00:58.51 | nsadmin | and/or ask their advice |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | or he could wait a few days |
| 00:59.06 | nsadmin | in squeeze? |
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| 00:59.36 | nsadmin | abrotman, you aware of something specific around gimp versions in debian? |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | i'm just saying to wait a few days and see if it appears somewhere |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | it was seriously released like 12 hours ago |
| 01:00.23 | nsadmin | ohh, that's why... ok |
| 01:00.28 | silouck | i have read the http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch07s02.html.en but the installer doesnt let to continue the instalation |
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| 01:00.44 | nsadmin | I'd say wait a coupla weeks |
| 01:01.42 | streuner | silouck: please tell us more details |
| 01:02.22 | streuner | silouck: it works like a charm here |
| 01:02.55 | silouck | i set for example a partition as /home, then i choose to set it as encrypted but the mount point disappears |
| 01:03.14 | silouck | im in the manual mode |
| 01:03.15 | nsadmin | silouck, in the installer? |
| 01:03.19 | silouck | yes |
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| 01:05.01 | PerfM | HEY |
| 01:05.09 | nsadmin | hmm. not sure myself what the installer does, but: you're saying that when you are in the config for the partition itself, saying "use as" "encrypted" causes the mount point on that (partition) screen to go away? |
| 01:05.22 | PerfM | hey* |
| 01:05.29 | PerfM | wow, caps is outta control right |
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| 01:05.48 | silouck | [nsadmin] im going to do it again to expli in detail |
| 01:06.03 | PerfM | omg |
| 01:06.35 | PerfM | pfred1, if you re-arrange the letter in your nick and replace the d for an M it becomes my name! |
| 01:06.39 | nsadmin | PerfM, Hi. you've reached a support channel for the debian linux distribution. can we help you? |
| 01:07.01 | PerfM | nsadmin, just bonding with my new fan pfred1 |
| 01:07.13 | PerfM | which is really funny, because my real name is Fred |
| 01:07.26 | silouck | ok so i choose manual partioning, then i choose a partition and set it as ext4 and mount in /root |
| 01:07.33 | nsadmin | PerfM, ok. for that, we have #debian-offtopic |
| 01:07.34 | pfred1 | PerfM first initial first 4 characters of my last name then 1 |
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| 01:08.26 | ArmOrAttAk | darn my intltool is too old |
| 01:08.34 | PerfM | pfred1, cool story bro. |
| 01:08.40 | PerfM | nsadmin, brilliant. I'll join it too |
| 01:08.41 | pfred1 | ArmOrAttAk welcome to Debian |
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| 01:08.51 | nsadmin | PerfM, just so you know :) and, if there are support conversations going on, I'll ask you to pause (at least here) |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | pause? |
| 01:09.59 | nsadmin | silouck, ok, and once I can put an image on my 1tb ext, I might try it too |
| 01:10.22 | pfred1 | nsadmin support me, please tell me what Debian's hangup with utf8 is? |
| 01:10.28 | nsadmin | abrotman, hush :P I got this :) |
| 01:10.31 | silouck | now i enter in Configure Encrypted Volumes, then i enter in Create encrypte volumes, and select the partitions swap, / and /home to be encrypted |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | i doubt it |
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| 01:10.48 | PerfM | nsadmin, pause what? |
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| 01:10.56 | cbleslie | Does anyone have a link to any articles that talk about the transition to Debian from Ubuntu, from a desktop user perspective? (Sorry I don't know if Ubuntu is Taboo here ;) ) |
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| 01:11.11 | abrotman | cbleslie: what transition ? |
| 01:11.24 | pfred1 | cbleslie Ubuntu uses the right package manager |
| 01:11.53 | silouck | then i click finish and enter the passphrase for all of them |
| 01:11.58 | cbleslie | abrotman: Well installing things like proprietary drivers, differences between how packages are organized and hosted, things like that. |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | cbleslie: there's a great wiki, wiki.debian.org .. lots of answers there |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | ok, maybe not 'great' .. but still lots of answers |
| 01:12.34 | silouck | now the partition table appear with the partitions as encrypted but theres no reference to the mount points, and this way the isntaller will not continue |
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| 01:13.00 | Floyd | +i Floyd42 |
| 01:13.15 | nsadmin | silouck, ok, go into each partition, and set the mount point |
| 01:13.31 | cbleslie | abrotman: I see. I feel like we would get many more debian converts if we had a nice little article talking about the key differences between the two. |
| 01:13.48 | Guest52232 | how does one set a username here? i type +i <username> but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 01:13.57 | cbleslie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | cbleslie: those differences are different for many users |
| 01:14.05 | pfred1 | cbleslie what do you want to do bog down my repo or something? |
| 01:14.08 | silouck | nsadmin: but for do that i would need to put them again as ext4 and not encryoted |
| 01:14.09 | Diopter | Guest52232: /nick <nickname> |
| 01:14.10 | cbleslie | "/nick <username> |
| 01:14.23 | silouck | i really dont understand this installer |
| 01:14.27 | cbleslie | pfred1: Every day of my life. |
| 01:14.35 | Floyd42 | awesome .. thanks guys! |
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| 01:15.21 | pfred1 | will tell folks a lot of things about how he runs Debian but forget about knowing which mirror I use! |
| 01:15.46 | silouck | and if i try to enter to the encrypted partition it appears a red label message saying that can be done any modification to partition due to be in use with a phisic volume encripted sda10_crypt |
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| 01:17.36 | nycjv321 | hey I am having issues writing to a partition I just created+mounted |
| 01:17.52 | nycjv321 | I did chown user:user and chmod 644 and still no go |
| 01:17.52 | Diopter | nycjv321: What sort of issues |
| 01:18.05 | silouck | nsadmin: if i then enter into "Configure encrypted volumes" and choose "Activate existing encrypted volumes" it goes back to the partition table without asking the passphrase to be able to use the encrypted partition to set the mount point |
| 01:18.15 | nycjv321 | Diopter: permission denied |
| 01:18.54 | silouck | this is installer seams rather buggy... |
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| 01:19.06 | nsadmin | hmm. yeah, that seems wrong |
| 01:19.26 | pfred1 | nycjv321 I never did like octal too much |
| 01:19.39 | nsadmin | which installer, squeeze? |
| 01:19.44 | silouck | nsadmin: could you try reproduce ? |
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| 01:19.54 | nycjv321 | pfred1: who? |
| 01:19.56 | Diopter | nycjv321: Can you pastebin the output of "ls -l mountpoint" |
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| 01:20.08 | pfred1 | nycjv321 chmod 644 is in octal format |
| 01:20.26 | nsadmin | I will, but that will take awhile for me to get set up... |
| 01:20.28 | silouck | nsadmin: this installer its the precise ubuntu alternative install, that uses debian-install |
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| 01:20.49 | silouck | nsadmin: ok thanks |
| 01:21.10 | pfred1 | nycjv321 +w works better for me |
| 01:21.45 | nycjv321 | this is interesting I can't issue ls -l . withouth sudo'ing in.. |
| 01:21.57 | silouck | nsadmin: this is the ubuntu 12.04 alternate install cd |
| 01:22.14 | nsadmin | wait, do you want debian or ubuntu? I/we have no influence over ubuntu anything, and perhaps consequently, we would request that you get support (for what tho? are you trying to install debian or ubuntu?) in #ubuntu |
| 01:22.47 | silouck | nsadmin: yes i understand the doubt, but it uses debian-install |
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| 01:22.56 | abrotman | silouck: what is the eventual goal? |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | silouck: to install ubuntu or Debian ? |
| 01:23.11 | nsadmin | yes it does, and perhaps they introduced the bugs? |
| 01:23.29 | ash_ | why does aptititude safe-upgrade take so long these days? |
| 01:23.29 | silouck | nsadmin: i see, you are right |
| 01:23.30 | nycjv321 | Diopter: |
| 01:23.42 | nycjv321 | ttp://pastebin.com/T6z2N2ut |
| 01:23.45 | silouck | nsadmin: let me get the debian cd |
| 01:23.50 | pfred1 | ash_ because you've a lot of packages? |
| 01:23.53 | nycjv321 | ah http://pastebin.com/T6z2N2ut * |
| 01:23.55 | ash_ | nope... |
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| 01:24.14 | ash_ | basic install, takes hours to run the dep resolv :/ |
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| 01:24.40 | nsadmin | silouck, so then you want (at least to try) debian? |
| 01:24.54 | silouck | yes |
| 01:25.08 | nsadmin | ok, that's what we handle |
| 01:25.10 | pfred1 | silouck yes come into the sun |
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| 01:25.22 | craigevil | ash_, aptitude upgrade |
| 01:25.23 | Diopter | nycjv321: That doesn't show . or .., and I was hoping to see those perms/user/group as well |
| 01:25.24 | nsadmin | and get sold to oracle! |
| 01:25.33 | ash_ | craigevil: that takes just as long. |
| 01:25.36 | silouck | nsadmin: eheheh |
| 01:25.45 | craigevil | ash_, tried apt-get ? |
| 01:25.49 | pfred1 | nsadmin different Sun |
| 01:25.51 | nycjv321 | Diopter: thats all I get when issuing 'ls -l dir' |
| 01:26.04 | Diopter | nycjv321: Er, sorry, ls -la, lulz |
| 01:26.04 | PerfM | nsadmin, please join #debian-offtopic for offtopic chatter |
| 01:26.06 | silouck | ok im downloading cd-1 |
| 01:26.07 | ash_ | pondering about using dist-upgrade, not sure what the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade(safe-upgrade) is. |
| 01:26.25 | silouck | nsadmin: this will have the same text isntaller? |
| 01:26.32 | craigevil | ash_, aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:26.35 | pfred1 | ash_ I use safe-upgrade |
| 01:26.58 | ash_ | i am running safe-upgrade at the moment from stable to testing... taking its sweet time working out the deps. |
| 01:27.14 | ash_ | i know that dist-upgrade doesn't work out the deps... but whats the downside? |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | ash_: you didn't follow the instructions, and it will probably go badly |
| 01:27.21 | pfred1 | ash_ oh if you're jumping numbers then you have to use a different upgrade |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | !tell ash_ about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 01:27.30 | Diopter | ash_: The apt-get manual tells you the difference. dist-upgrade is more intelligent about handling potential dependency issues when upgrading to new versions of libraries |
| 01:27.31 | nycjv321 | Diopter: "." has same permission as lost+found ".." has drwxf-xr-x |
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| 01:28.06 | nycjv321 | when I try it as another user I just get ????? ? ? ? ? for ls output |
| 01:28.13 | nsadmin | silouck, I think I tried the ubuntu installer once... I don't remember. but, the partitioner is the same or similar |
| 01:28.23 | Diopter | nycjv321: Is this an AFS mount or something? |
| 01:28.42 | nycjv321 | ext3 |
| 01:28.43 | ash_ | is it squeeze->sid->wheezy? |
| 01:28.49 | nycjv321 | v6 |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 01:28.59 | ash_ | or squeeze->wheezy->sid (i am in console only atm) |
| 01:29.15 | Diopter | nycjv321: Can't imagine why you're getting question marks when ls'ing as another user. |
| 01:29.17 | pfred1 | say what you will about Microsoft they do have nice fonts |
| 01:29.22 | nsadmin | ash_, squeeze is current stable, wheezy is current testing, sid is constantly unstable |
| 01:29.26 | nycjv321 | .. :/ |
| 01:29.26 | abrotman | pfred1: do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:29.29 | Diopter | nycjv321: Sec. |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | ash_: why do you need unstable ? |
| 01:29.37 | pfred1 | abrotman maybe why you have any? |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | pfred1: please try #defocus |
| 01:29.52 | silouck | nsadmin: the download its a litle slow...it will take more 5 m |
| 01:30.12 | Devastator | Why i'm seeing this â char? misconfigured locale? In function âdnetmap_tgâ: |
| 01:30.17 | pfred1 | abrotman maybe you can tell me why Debian has a hard on for utf8? |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | pfred1: are you going to continue to act like this? |
| 01:30.35 | dvs | Devastator: probably the backquote char |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | pfred1: if you don't like it .. you can use potato .. good luck |
| 01:30.45 | ash_ | nsadmin: thanks. i was skipping too far ahead it seems... i'll do dist-upgrade as i just did a fresh install. |
| 01:30.46 | silouck | pfred1: i think its all linux distros |
| 01:30.47 | pfred1 | abrotman act like what? please explain |
| 01:30.52 | Diopter | Devastator: Check your locales in "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 01:31.07 | silouck | pfred1: and windows also sould do the same |
| 01:31.14 | silouck | s/sould/should |
| 01:31.20 | pfred1 | silouck not my concern |
| 01:31.32 | silouck | pfred1: well you asked why |
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| 01:31.48 | pfred1 | silouck you have yet to offer a reason |
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| 01:31.55 | Devastator | dvs i've removed any other locale besides en_US.UTF-8 from /etc/locale.gen, ran locale-gen, closed ssh, opened again.. same |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | pfred1: why don't you want UTF8? |
| 01:32.09 | silouck | its more "compatible" |
| 01:32.12 | pfred1 | abrotman because it couldn't mount a USB flash drive |
| 01:32.21 | nsadmin | pfred1, for that explanation, could you talk to abrotman on #debian-offtopic? there's support going on right now, and there are several help conversations going on |
| 01:32.22 | ash_ | because maybe he uses english and english only? |
| 01:32.23 | ash_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:32.27 | abrotman | pfred1: i think you're confused |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | nsadmin: seriously .. stop it |
| 01:32.49 | pfred1 | abrotman what leads you to think that? |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | pfred1: what does UTF8 have to do with the inability to mount a flash drive in Debian ? |
| 01:33.15 | Diopter | Devastator: Did you check dpkg-reconfigure locales? You might have UTF-8 built, but not set as the default |
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| 01:33.26 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.27 | silouck | clones [Milos|Netbook Milos|Netbook_] pdpc/supporter/student/milos [2] |
| 01:33.33 | roboman2444 | every once in a while i have to run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset |
| 01:33.38 | roboman2444 | to get my sound working |
| 01:33.41 | pfred1 | abrotman May 3 19:17:57 buck kernel: [29555.140850] FAT: IO charset utf8 not found |
| 01:33.48 | roboman2444 | i think if i use pulse it kidna kills my sound |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | pfred1: what formatted the drive? |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | pfred1: and/or what created those files? |
| 01:34.07 | pfred1 | abrotman it came this way from the factory |
| 01:34.14 | roboman2444 | any fix? |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | pfred1: not sure why you're blaming Debian then ... |
| 01:34.23 | nycjv321 | pfred1: tried reofmrating it? |
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| 01:34.34 | xixor | blames debian for everything |
| 01:34.36 | pfred1 | nycjv321 now why would i go and do a stupid thing like that? |
| 01:34.37 | nycjv321 | reformating* |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | pfred1: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:35.03 | pfred1 | 2.6.32x |
| 01:35.04 | nycjv321 | Diopter: I did a fsck and I think its fixed |
| 01:35.13 | nsadmin | pfred1, depends on what you want |
| 01:35.16 | Diopter | nycjv321: Fantastic. |
| 01:35.21 | Devastator | dvs, Diopter nevermind, it's putty's fault |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | pfred1: that is NOT what it says .. what is uname -r ? |
| 01:35.32 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | almost :) |
| 01:35.54 | silouck | nsadmin: burning iso |
| 01:35.55 | Diopter | Devastator: Putty? Why would you do that to yourself? D: |
| 01:36.04 | roboman2444 | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 01:36.06 | nycjv321 | whats wrong with putty? |
| 01:36.12 | roboman2444 | EWWW |
| 01:36.13 | Diopter | nycjv321: On Linux? |
| 01:36.14 | roboman2444 | NOOO |
| 01:36.18 | nycjv321 | lol |
| 01:36.20 | nycjv321 | of course not |
| 01:36.25 | PerfM | buncha bitches in here |
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| 01:36.38 | roboman2444 | i guess for windaz you cant really do any better than putteh |
| 01:36.40 | Diopter | nycjv321: That's what I understood Devastator to be saying :P |
| 01:36.45 | pfred1 | abrotman I'll let you know where this is going I've already changed it to iso8859-1 and it works |
| 01:36.46 | silouck | Diopter: |
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| 01:36.56 | Diopter | roboman2444: Sounds to me like you need to use the default alsa -> pulse asound config file |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | pfred1: changed "it" where "it" is what exactly ? |
| 01:37.13 | roboman2444 | Diopter, how do i get? |
| 01:37.15 | pfred1 | abrotman where are your codepages? |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | pfred1: you said "it" .. i'm asking what "it" is |
| 01:37.28 | roboman2444 | apt-get purge and shit liek dat? |
| 01:37.49 | pfred1 | abrotman utf8 |
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| 01:37.55 | nycjv321 | oh lol |
| 01:37.58 | Devastator | Diopter i am using putty at windows :) |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | you changed UTF8 ? |
| 01:38.01 | Devastator | and problem solved |
| 01:38.12 | pfred1 | abrotman no utf8 |
| 01:38.19 | nycjv321 | no I use putteh for winblows :P ssh on *nix |
| 01:38.24 | Diopter | roboman2444: Have you installed alsa-base and pulseaudio-module-x11? |
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| 01:38.31 | roboman2444 | i think so... lemme check |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | you changed the mount command to use a certain character set? |
| 01:38.56 | roboman2444 | yes |
| 01:38.58 | roboman2444 | i have them |
| 01:39.09 | pfred1 | abrotman no I changed the code page in the kernel for FAT |
| 01:39.10 | roboman2444 | i might have accidentally removed the pulse config file sometime |
| 01:39.11 | roboman2444 | idk |
| 01:39.27 | ash_ | do you have the pulseaudio controler? |
| 01:39.28 | abrotman | pfred1: oh sure, that seems like the better fix .. enjoy |
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| 01:39.33 | Diopter | roboman2444: Interesting. The file you care about is /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf |
| 01:39.38 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 01:39.43 | roboman2444 | yea i deleted that |
| 01:39.44 | nsadmin | roboman2444, probably now would be a good time to check on that |
| 01:39.49 | Diopter | roboman2444: Then that's why you broke it :P |
| 01:40.01 | nsadmin | s/why/how/ |
| 01:40.04 | roboman2444 | i deleted it a while ago |
| 01:40.12 | roboman2444 | and it started acting up recently |
| 01:40.15 | roboman2444 | idk |
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| 01:40.51 | Mazingaro | please I've got a nasty problem with wheezy + kde on amd64, after starting kdm, X crashes, I tried xdm, but session crashed after few seconds and xdm is restarted |
| 01:40.57 | Diopter | roboman2444: That file (or another similar asound config) are for making programs that don't speak pulse able to use what looks like an alsa device, but it ends up routing through pulse |
| 01:41.19 | Diopter | roboman2444: Not having that means you can end up with an alsa app taking the soundcard away from pulse, or vice versa |
| 01:41.25 | roboman2444 | ah |
| 01:41.33 | roboman2444 | so how do i get the default back? |
| 01:42.20 | pfred1 | Mazingaro is wheezy released? |
| 01:42.40 | Diopter | roboman2444: It's in the "pulseaudio" package. |
| 01:42.47 | Diopter | roboman2444: So reinstall that sucker |
| 01:42.53 | roboman2444 | k... i will try |
| 01:42.54 | craigevil | !tell roboman2444 about confmiss |
| 01:42.58 | pfred1 | or purge it |
| 01:43.04 | roboman2444 | confmiss? |
| 01:43.10 | Mazingaro | pfred1: ? |
| 01:43.30 | pfred1 | Mazingaro I'm not the biggest pulseaudio fan |
| 01:43.35 | roboman2444 | me neither |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | pfred1: he's asking about X ? |
| 01:43.39 | roboman2444 | but... shit uses it |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | Mazingaro: are you using nvidia or ati binary drivers? |
| 01:44.00 | craigevil | key word being 'sh!t" |
| 01:44.07 | nsadmin | roboman2444, the bot sent you a /msg about confmiss, it's important you read that for getting default configs back |
| 01:44.14 | pfred1 | roboman2444 in my experience pulseaudio has only broken things |
| 01:44.16 | Diopter | There's really nothing wrong with Pulse. Hasn't been for a long time. It's extremely useful if you do much of anything with audio routing and customizing levels. |
| 01:44.19 | Mazingaro | abrotman: nvidia 295.40 |
| 01:44.27 | abrotman | Mazingaro: did you try reinstalling your nvidia junk ? |
| 01:44.32 | roboman2444 | ph nice |
| 01:44.41 | Mazingaro | abrotman: no |
| 01:44.51 | pfred1 | Mazingaro it might help |
| 01:45.17 | roboman2444 | thanks... the config file is back |
| 01:45.28 | Mazingaro | apt-get purge nvidia* |
| 01:45.31 | roboman2444 | but idk if that will fix it... i will have to "try" and break it lol |
| 01:45.50 | Mazingaro | abrotman: 190 MB of junk |
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| 01:46.07 | abrotman | Mazingaro: you bought the card, not me |
| 01:46.10 | roboman2444 | yep works now |
| 01:46.13 | roboman2444 | no crashes |
| 01:46.15 | roboman2444 | thanks! |
| 01:46.17 | Diopter | roboman2444: Excellent. You bet |
| 01:46.22 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ati is no better+ |
| 01:46.31 | roboman2444 | man you guys are much better than google lol |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | Mazingaro: i dn't buy that either |
| 01:46.38 | pfred1 | Mazingaro I'm running nVidia's "junk" and I couldn't tell you if it is any better than what Debian is shipping right now |
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| 01:46.39 | roboman2444 | ati is better |
| 01:46.43 | roboman2444 | but nvidia is ok |
| 01:46.47 | roboman2444 | and intel is shit |
| 01:46.50 | roboman2444 | imo |
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| 01:46.59 | pfred1 | roboman2444 my i3 isn't bad |
| 01:47.27 | silouck | nsadmin: ok im running now the installer |
| 01:47.28 | abrotman | would rather buy intel every single time instead of ati/nvidia |
| 01:47.52 | gnarface | yea but you don't play what we would actually call video games, abrotman |
| 01:47.53 | Mazingaro | abrotman: rebooting, I saw strange message after kdm crashing |
| 01:47.58 | pfred1 | yeah it's 3D isn't stellar but it is passable and it decodes the heck out of video |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | gnarface: sure i do .. i have a PS3 :) |
| 01:48.08 | gnarface | abrotman: :-p |
| 01:48.11 | roboman2444 | pfred1, no i mean for gpu |
| 01:48.14 | dvs | IBM? That's worse! |
| 01:48.23 | pfred1 | roboman2444 i3 has a built in gpu |
| 01:48.26 | roboman2444 | ah |
| 01:48.31 | roboman2444 | even worse lol |
| 01:48.49 | roboman2444 | my laptop has this nvidia optimus stuff... 2 gpus |
| 01:48.54 | nsadmin | silouck, ok, give that a shot |
| 01:48.57 | roboman2444 | one intel and one nvidiai sharing a framebuffer |
| 01:48.58 | pfred1 | it plays GL quake on my wide screen |
| 01:49.02 | roboman2444 | have to use #bumblebee for it |
| 01:49.13 | roboman2444 | pfred1, google darkplaces |
| 01:49.16 | silouck | nsadmin: what i need first to do is to set the partitions as swap and ext4 and set the mount points? |
| 01:49.20 | roboman2444 | aka the best quake engine out there |
| 01:49.33 | pfred1 | roboman2444 why should i I know LordHavoc |
| 01:49.38 | roboman2444 | lol |
| 01:49.51 | roboman2444 | beith yonder anynet? |
| 01:49.56 | nsadmin | you may have to configure the encryption first... is there an option to do that? |
| 01:49.56 | silouck | nsadmin: or should i first go to configure encrypted volumes part? |
| 01:50.07 | nsadmin | see if you can |
| 01:50.10 | Mazingaro | abrotman: what the hell I've got noveau and mga stuffs too |
| 01:50.14 | silouck | i can |
| 01:50.28 | nsadmin | it MAY be that you have to first create the partitions, but let's find out |
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| 01:50.50 | abrotman | Mazingaro: that doens't help with your nvidia driver .. doesn't really hurt either |
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| 01:51.09 | gnarface | Mazingaro: that KMS thing that the nouveau driver uses breaks the shit out of the nvidia binary drivers, as does the old console framebuffer driver - you'll have to disable it |
| 01:51.32 | gnarface | abrotman: uh... doesn't hurt if you disable it, you mean, right? |
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| 01:51.47 | abrotman | gnarface: you think matrox drivers are affecting his nvidia card? |
| 01:51.48 | pfred1 | Mazingaro have you moved your xorg.conf out of the way? |
| 01:51.48 | Mazingaro | gnarface: it should be in blacklist |
| 01:52.04 | Mazingaro | pfred1: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:52.04 | gnarface | abrotman: no not the matrox one, the nouveu one |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | i know |
| 01:52.23 | pfred1 | Mazingaro rm is so harsh I usually mv them |
| 01:52.41 | silouck | nsadmin: i have exactly the same problem |
| 01:52.47 | roboman2444 | i should make a trash script... just mvs the file to .trashes or whatever |
| 01:53.42 | nsadmin | ok, go into partitions, |
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| 01:54.26 | silouck | im there |
| 01:54.30 | nsadmin | create the partitions you want, all of them... any partitions not encrypted, set their mount point |
| 01:54.47 | silouck | i did that way now~ |
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| 01:55.00 | silouck | already rebooted and started a new isntall |
| 01:55.03 | nsadmin | any partitions to be encrypted, that;s in "use as", right? |
| 01:55.15 | silouck | hu? |
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| 01:55.30 | nsadmin | when you get to the partitioner let me know :) |
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| 01:55.38 | silouck | im there |
| 01:55.47 | Mazingaro | abrotman: reinstalling dkms, hoping that the video card still works |
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| 01:56.03 | nsadmin | ok, any partitions not encrypted? |
| 01:56.19 | nsadmin | (that you don't want encrypted) |
| 01:56.42 | silouck | when i choose a partition and enter in "Use as:" i can only choose its type for example ext4 or as phisic volume to encrypt |
| 01:57.11 | nsadmin | ok, do the latter (physical vol to encrypt) |
| 01:57.20 | silouck | i see no way to set the partition type and mount point and set it as encrypted |
| 01:57.25 | nsadmin | for each partition you want to encrypt |
| 01:57.35 | nsadmin | don't set mount point right now |
| 01:57.52 | nsadmin | just set encrypted |
| 01:58.05 | silouck | after ou set the partitions as encryoted you cant set themount point |
| 01:58.17 | silouck | nsadmin: please see it for yourself |
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| 01:58.26 | nsadmin | it's ok, keep going... |
| 01:58.29 | silouck | its simply not possible |
| 01:58.29 | isaac_ | how do I add my user to the sudoers file or something? |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | visudo |
| 01:58.43 | nsadmin | (you can't set filesystem type either yet) |
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| 01:59.38 | silouck | i have done both ways, first set the partitons as encrypted, and also as first et the partitions type and mount point |
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| 02:00.25 | Mazingaro | abrotman: rebooting, I'm crossing the fingers |
| 02:00.28 | nsadmin | silouck, no, I think it is possible. Question, are there any partitions to not be encrypted? |
| 02:00.43 | silouck | yes |
| 02:00.51 | isaac_ | Thanks abrotman |
| 02:01.31 | nsadmin | ok, you want to set those partitions now as well; the unencryoted partitions can have their filesystem type and mount point set |
| 02:01.36 | Mazingaro | abrotman: no way, kdm crashes all |
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| 02:02.34 | Mazingaro | abrotman: now I've got a console screen with a crash trace |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | Mazingaro: anything useful ? |
| 02:02.44 | abrotman | Mazingaro: what is uname -r ? |
| 02:03.04 | nsadmin | the goal right now: get the partitions which are encrypted, we just need to get them set to "encrypted volume", can't set fs type or mount point for them right now. For unencrypted partitions, we can set those up now. |
| 02:03.18 | Mazingaro | abrotman: 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
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| 02:03.35 | nsadmin | goal right now: get ALL partitions specified |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | Mazingaro: look for useful info .. |
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| 02:03.53 | abrotman | Mazingaro: i honestly don't use nvidia .. but i know it causes lots of problems |
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| 02:04.20 | Mazingaro | abrotman: this is my first problem at all |
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| 02:04.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I run reprepro on a folder of packages and then burn the dists and pool directories to a CD/DVD/BD, should that disc be capable of being added as a package source and the system will ask for a name and all that good stuff? |
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| 02:05.21 | Mazingaro | abrotman: Segmentation fault ad address 0 |
| 02:05.47 | nsadmin | aka null pointer dereference |
| 02:05.55 | Mazingaro | abrotman: in X log |
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| 02:06.34 | nsadmin | silouck, how's that going? |
| 02:06.47 | silouck | the same |
| 02:07.13 | Mazingaro | abrotman: broken video card? |
| 02:07.16 | silouck | once the partition is chosen as encrypted and you enter the passphrase you are not able to use it anymore, thus you cant set any mount point |
| 02:07.33 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: yea, i think so. also, i think if you put it on the same machine with an apt proxy like say, apt-cacher-ng, apt won't be able to tell them apart and will give you a package list of the sum total of all of its contents as well as whatever is in your sources.list and your apt-cache |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | Mazingaro: doubtful |
| 02:07.37 | pfred1 | Mazingaro I had a GTS 240 burn up on me |
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| 02:07.48 | nsadmin | silouck, you must have taken a step without saying so |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | Mazingaro: you could try to create an xorg.conf and force vesa or maybe nouveau |
| 02:08.05 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: but then, i haven't tried it myself, that's basically just an assumption |
| 02:08.10 | silouck | nsadmin: why dont you try and see for yourself |
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| 02:08.29 | silouck | its the 4 time i try, theres no other possibility |
| 02:08.52 | nsadmin | so, what did you do after setting up all partitions? |
| 02:09.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Great I cant wait to try it. This is so much better than apt-on-cd and more like the official repositories. thanks! |
| 02:09.32 | silouck | nsadmin: are you going to try to reproduce? |
| 02:09.33 | Mazingaro | abrotman: startx go, but after a while it fails |
| 02:09.59 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I can see session go up, but after a while it crashes |
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| 02:10.54 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ok startx launched the session and it seems to not crash |
| 02:11.16 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: no problem. just to be clear i did *not* ever try to move my reprepo repo to a cd, but i *did* once have to move it to a different machine because i was observing what i believed to be apt on a other machines confusing my repo with my apt-cacher-ng proxy of the public repos, despite them being on separate ports |
| 02:11.17 | Mazingaro | abrotman: tada! it crashed as I clicked on kde menus |
| 02:11.51 | nsadmin | silouck, what did you do after setting up the partitions? you must have done something you didn't say yet after setting up partitions |
| 02:12.06 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: but that suggests to me that what you're trying to do very well may work |
| 02:12.14 | nsadmin | and no, I probably will not be trying an install today |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | Mazingaro: did you try another WM ? |
| 02:12.32 | silouck | nsadmin: im already repeating my self, i have tried everything |
| 02:12.47 | silouck | nsadmin: and seams you not going to reproduce |
| 02:12.49 | Mazingaro | abrotman: no |
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| 02:13.15 | nsadmin | so, what I wanted you to try, is set the partitions up (all of them) and stop right there |
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| 02:13.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: I think maybe Ill make a small test repo for CDRW first before I go making a couple bluray coasters. |
| 02:13.29 | gnarface | haha |
| 02:13.32 | silouck | nsadmin: i did~ |
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| 02:13.47 | nsadmin | silouck, so that's where you are in the install right now |
| 02:13.49 | silouck | nsadmin: unless you try to reproduce you will not understand |
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| 02:14.04 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: yea probably a good plan. as long as you're careful with the paths, i think that should work |
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| 02:14.14 | cbleslie | LinuxGuy2009: I love bluray coasters. They're so expensive looking. Cause they are! |
| 02:14.36 | gnarface | hmm |
| 02:14.39 | gnarface | blueray support in linux? |
| 02:14.43 | dvs | and blu! |
| 02:14.45 | gnarface | i thought that was a no-go still |
| 02:14.46 | nsadmin | err, that was a question not a statement, restating |
| 02:14.58 | nsadmin | silouck, so is that where you are in the install right now? |
| 02:14.59 | TheWarden | Hi, I have a Debian system with xrdp installed. I can connect in via RDP from Windows but not from Debian. What do I need to install? I tried gnome-rdp along with rdpdesktop but it doesn't work. |
| 02:15.18 | silouck | nsadmin: you dont listen |
| 02:15.23 | nsadmin | (if that's the case, don't take any steps yet) |
| 02:15.43 | gnarface | TheWarden: you mean rdesktop? |
| 02:15.55 | roboman2444 | there are some clients that are good for it |
| 02:15.56 | silouck | nsadmin: if you try to reproduce and tell me exactly what steps to follow ill do it again |
| 02:16.02 | roboman2444 | just apt-cache search rdp |
| 02:16.23 | nsadmin | silouck, I cannot reboot now, so, how do you respond to that? |
| 02:16.35 | gnarface | TheWarden: rdesktop is kinda picky. you probably just need to lower your screen res+color depth to something it supports, and then manually dial it in on your rdesktop command-line |
| 02:16.40 | silouck | i respond im gg to give up |
| 02:17.00 | abrotman | Mazingaro: have you now ? |
| 02:17.07 | silouck | i really was expecting you to reproduce and could see by your self that is not possible |
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| 02:17.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Any idea what the default result is if I try to add more packages later on that are obviosuly newer version, with reprepro? Like does it put both version in the pool or only keep the first one, or replace the old with the new etc? |
| 02:17.25 | silouck | nsadmin: but seams you dont do what you say |
| 02:18.03 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ? |
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| 02:18.25 | nsadmin | silouck, and I really was expecting that you would follow exactly so that we can discover together; instead you took additional steps (which led to various impossible situations) |
| 02:18.42 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: sorry, i do not know. i only got as far as backporting half of wheezy to get stud to run in squeeze. how it deals with package version updates is still a question pending an answer for me too |
| 02:18.46 | silouck | nsadmin: im booting again |
| 02:19.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Ok thats cool |
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| 02:19.20 | nsadmin | silouck, ok. let me explain my current hypothesis, so you're not just flying blind |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | Mazingaro: tried another WM ? |
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| 02:20.02 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: if i had to make a blind bet i'd assume that if you just try to add the new version it will either handle it, or tell you to fuck off. in the latter case just remove the original and then retry |
| 02:20.23 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:21.16 | TheWarden | gnarface: yes sorry rdesktop... I tried using gnome-rdp and it said I need rdesktop. |
| 02:21.53 | Mazingaro | abrotman, pfred1: xfce exploded too |
| 02:21.54 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.10 | gnarface | TheWarden: last time i tried rdesktop (admittedly its been a few years) it didn't support more than 8-bit color |
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| 02:22.37 | silouck | nsadmin: im in the partition table, so what do i do now (in detail) |
| 02:22.38 | richo | when I run dpkg-buildpackage it puts the package, changes, files etc in ../ from where I've run the command, is that configurable? |
| 02:22.43 | TheWarden | gnarface: ouch that is awfully. What would you suggest then to use? |
| 02:22.46 | gnarface | TheWarden: on some versions of windows at least.... never tried connecting it to a linux box |
| 02:23.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: Good call. |
| 02:23.25 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.52 | nsadmin | silouck, what's your response to that part? do you want to try? |
| 02:23.58 | silouck | nsadmin: you think? camon give me a break |
| 02:24.02 | nsadmin | we'll do it in detail |
| 02:24.09 | gnarface | TheWarden: well uh... i'd suggest just using X11 forwarding over ssh because its infinitely superior in every way, but you probably want a "desktop" experience and support on other operating systems without having to pay money, so you probably want to try a little thing called VNC |
| 02:24.19 | Mazingaro | abrotman: the sad thing is that I need the computer for job now! |
| 02:24.21 | Mazingaro | :( |
| 02:24.23 | silouck | that was exactky what i did in previous tries |
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| 02:24.45 | nsadmin | ok, and did it take you back to the partition table? |
| 02:25.09 | silouck | nsadmin: what do i do now? |
| 02:25.18 | silouck | i said i have rebooted and im in partition table |
| 02:25.27 | silouck | i choosed manual as always |
| 02:25.30 | nsadmin | so, you see all free space? |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | Mazingaro: did you try a vesa driver? |
| 02:25.53 | Mazingaro | no |
| 02:25.53 | nsadmin | ok, good |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | Mazingaro: that's your next step |
| 02:26.04 | silouck | nsadmin: theres no freespace, there are partitions epty |
| 02:26.10 | silouck | nsadmin: theres no freespace, there are partitions empty |
| 02:26.10 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ok |
| 02:26.32 | nsadmin | so the partitions are present? and are they the setup you want (just considering the sizes and number? |
| 02:26.40 | TheWarden | gnarface: mmm yeah I've used VNC its okay. Just didn't realize it was an issue from Linux side to connect in via RDP to another Linux machine. Works great from Windows. |
| 02:26.47 | silouck | nsadmin: yes |
| 02:27.12 | nsadmin | on the unencrypted partitions, are filesystem types (use as) and mount points set? |
| 02:27.12 | gnarface | TheWarden: well, just to reiterate, your problem is likely to be user error |
| 02:27.23 | silouck | yes |
| 02:27.31 | gnarface | TheWarden: basically, read the docs on rdesktop and stop trying to do shit its documented to not support |
| 02:27.40 | silouck | and also to use as encryoted volume |
| 02:27.46 | gnarface | TheWarden: did you need more than 8-bit color depth? |
| 02:27.58 | nsadmin | great... what is the status (as you see in the display) of the ones you want encrypted? |
| 02:27.59 | Mazingaro | abrotman: the screen is a mess |
| 02:28.17 | gnarface | TheWarden: if so you should really rethink the whole rdesktop thing in general... its just bad. and i don't mean the implementation - the whole protocol is shit |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | Mazingaro: i could give you all sorts of i-told-you-sos .. probably won't do any good |
| 02:28.26 | nsadmin | so they are set to "use as encrypted"? |
| 02:28.37 | silouck | they have no status, they exist as formated |
| 02:28.59 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 02:29.15 | silouck | now i choose to go and set the type and mout point or go and choose as encrypted volumes |
| 02:29.18 | nsadmin | ok, go into each, and set their status to "use as encrypted", "done setting up partition" |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | Mazingaro: try the vesa driver |
| 02:29.31 | silouck | nsadmin: ok |
| 02:29.36 | nsadmin | nono, set the encrypted status first |
| 02:29.38 | nsadmin | brb |
| 02:29.42 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I tried vesa driver |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | same problem? |
| 02:29.48 | nsadmin | (and stop after that please :) |
| 02:29.50 | Mazingaro | abrotman: it is a mess |
| 02:29.51 | silouck | nsadmin: brb??? |
| 02:29.58 | nsadmin | be right back |
| 02:30.06 | Mazingaro | abrotman: the screen got corrupted and computer freezes |
| 02:30.43 | TheWarden | gnarface: well I'll give VNC a shot again. What client do you use? |
| 02:30.48 | Mazingaro | I think it's an hardware problem |
| 02:30.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | gnarface: I just tried to add newer packages to a testing folder and yes it does remove the old and places the new one in the pool. Just in case you wanted to know for later use. ;) |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | Mazingaro: do you have another video card to try? |
| 02:31.05 | Mazingaro | abrotman: no |
| 02:31.09 | nsadmin | ok, back... status? |
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| 02:32.07 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: yes that will be helpful, thanks for the info :) |
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| 02:32.19 | silouck | nsadmin: ok done |
| 02:32.31 | nsadmin | \great. what screen are you at right now? |
| 02:32.35 | Mazingaro | abrotman: service kdm stop -> kdm... not responding to TERM signal |
| 02:32.41 | silouck | in partition table |
| 02:32.43 | Mazingaro | abrotman: it is very strange |
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| 02:33.01 | nsadmin | ok, now try: configure encrypted vols |
| 02:33.18 | gnarface | TheWarden: i think they tend to be paired, so it depends on what vnc server you want to use. keep in mind *i* use X11 forwarding over ssh and try to avoid remote desktop nonsense of all sorts, but i believe last time i was forced to do this i used tight |
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| 02:33.55 | TheWarden | gnarface: mmm okay, well I guess I'll have to do some reading on the subject. Thanks. |
| 02:34.12 | gnarface | TheWarden: well start with: apt-cache search ^vnc |
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| 02:34.53 | gnarface | TheWarden: the packages i'd recommend you looking at first from that list would be vnc4server, xvnc4viewer, tightvncserver, xtightvncviewer |
| 02:35.12 | gnarface | TheWarden: and x11vnc |
| 02:35.45 | gnarface | TheWarden: but there are other options to be sure. people have even made java-based vnc clients you can use in your web browser |
| 02:35.46 | Mazingaro | abrotman: nvidia logo appeared |
| 02:36.07 | TheWarden | gnarface: cool |
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| 02:36.16 | Mazingaro | abrotman: kde screen, then flashes a couple of time and then boom |
| 02:36.42 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I have to do MagicSysReq + K to gain control |
| 02:37.39 | Mazingaro | abrotman: kdm and kdm_greet are running, but I have to kill with kill -9 |
| 02:37.54 | nsadmin | silouck, how's it going? |
| 02:38.57 | silouck | nsadmin: this way asks to create a lvm group |
| 02:39.04 | silouck | again another dead end |
| 02:39.24 | gnarface | TheWarden: though really, if you can get away with it X11 forwarding is much nicer. the primary complaint about it (aside from windows users griping about lack of native or even decent support for ssh *or* X11) is that it only gives you the window for the remote program you opened - you can't access the remote end's "desktop" in this manner |
| 02:39.28 | silouck | nsadmin: unless you go and see for yourself im not gg to continue with this |
| 02:39.59 | silouck | nsadmin: its really frustrating see its not possible to encrypt partitions |
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| 02:40.11 | nsadmin | silouck, so you're using dm-crypt method? |
| 02:40.17 | silouck | yes! |
| 02:40.22 | silouck | theres no other |
| 02:40.27 | nsadmin | (which is the default, which is recommended) |
| 02:40.40 | nsadmin | are you intending to encrypt /? |
| 02:40.55 | silouck | nsadmin: what question is that? |
| 02:40.56 | gnarface | TheWarden: but obviously the primary benefit of X11 forwarding being ease of setup - requires no additional special software on the linux server you wouldn't have already had |
| 02:41.00 | Mazingaro | abrotman: trying to recompile the nvidia drivers |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | what a mess |
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| 02:41.59 | Mazingaro | I've to send a work tomorrow |
| 02:42.22 | gnarface | wtf did you do to your driver install Mazingaro ? |
| 02:42.56 | gnarface | Mazingaro: also, which nvidia card is that? it could be relevant |
| 02:42.59 | nsadmin | silouck, so, you have to have a root partition, to be mounted on /... did you want to encrypt that? |
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| 02:43.37 | silouck | the other installs i see really do allow to set partitions as encrypted and you only need to enable encryptation and choose cypher, i never saw some so confusing as debian and that in the end does not allow a user to encrypt partitons, being root or other |
| 02:43.49 | silouck | nsadmin: whats your point |
| 02:44.16 | Mazingaro | gnarface: GeForce 8600 GT |
| 02:44.35 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 02:45.05 | gnarface | i weep for you Mazingaro, i truly sympathize. |
| 02:45.18 | Mazingaro | gnarface: ? |
| 02:45.29 | gnarface | Mazingaro: are you on squeeze? |
| 02:45.35 | Mazingaro | gnarface: wheezy |
| 02:45.59 | gnarface | Mazingaro: its possible that card simply will not work with the current nvidia drivers. |
| 02:46.25 | Mazingaro | gnarface: how come, it worked with this drivers until 4 hours ago |
| 02:46.56 | TheWarden | gnarface: thanks |
| 02:47.16 | gnarface | Mazingaro: well its far too long of a story for me to relate in detail but the summary is a dick-length contest between xorg and Nvidia's linux-support interns |
| 02:48.09 | nsadmin | silouck, from install guide: After you have selected the desired parameters for your encrypted partitions, return back to the main partitioning menu. There should now be a new menu item called Configure encrypted volumes. After you select it, you will be asked to confirm the deletion of data on partitions marked to be erased and possibly other actions such as writing a new partition table. For large partitions this might take some time. |
| 02:48.41 | Mazingaro | gnarface: :( |
| 02:48.46 | gnarface | Mazingaro: debian packages the nvidia binary drivers with a override flag to somehow stop the ABI mismatch check that *should* protect end users from the problem, but unfortunately for a small range of cards (from about your model up to the 9800's) the ABI conflict is more than just a version mismatch, and actually breaks shit |
| 02:49.17 | gnarface | Mazingaro: the way to fix it would require either buying a new card or downgrading both Xorg and the nvidia drivers to versions no longer available in wheezy |
| 02:49.24 | Mazingaro | gnarface: shall I use nouveau? |
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| 02:49.43 | silouck | nsadmin: i also read the guide, its IMPOSSIBLE to isntall with encrypted partitions |
| 02:50.00 | gnarface | Mazingaro: its probably your only viable option at this point unless you have friends on staff at Nvidia or want to just buy a new video card (which is what i did) |
| 02:50.28 | nsadmin | silouck, so, you never saw "Configure Encrypted Volumes"? |
| 02:50.34 | silouck | nsadmin: i have tried all ways, all modes, all possibilities, i really see theres no way |
| 02:50.39 | silouck | nsadmin: YES! |
| 02:51.15 | silouck | and im not goint to try again, makes no sense, its pointless |
| 02:51.34 | Mazingaro | gnarface: ati or nvidia again? |
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| 02:51.44 | silouck | im gg to install fedora, that i know that really allows to install with encrypted |
| 02:51.55 | rainfyre | silouck: mine is encrypted |
| 02:52.13 | silouck | rainfyre: but it was not through the isntall |
| 02:52.33 | gnarface | Mazingaro: well i bought a newer nvidia card because ati's drivers are even worse. i can confirm for you the 560Ti's work fine in sid, with latest nvidia drivers and xorg, which should be fine for wheezy too |
| 02:52.34 | rainfyre | Yeah actually it was |
| 02:52.38 | nsadmin | rainfyre, did you set up encryption thru the installer? |
| 02:52.43 | rainfyre | Yep |
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| 02:53.03 | silouck | rainfyre: but that its only for /home encrypted |
| 02:53.09 | Mazingaro | gnarface: :( |
| 02:53.10 | gnarface | Mazingaro: on my other systems with nvidia cards i'm mostly still running squeeze and using the nouveau drivers |
| 02:53.14 | nsadmin | silouck, so, another information source has appeared :) |
| 02:53.28 | rainfyre | Thats why it cant boot right now, b/c the 3.2.0-0 ppc kernel doesnt support encryption |
| 02:53.30 | Mazingaro | gnarface: that's unacceptable |
| 02:53.43 | nsadmin | wait, let's make sure... |
| 02:54.11 | silouck | rainfyre: during install you are asked if you want to encrypt /home, and you go from there, now if you go to manual mode and try to encrypt more partitions, its impossible |
| 02:54.14 | nsadmin | rainfyre, this is squeeze? and you encrypted your swap? |
| 02:54.18 | rainfyre | Siloik, its my whole drive, not just my home folder, unfortunately |
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| 02:54.26 | rainfyre | Not mybswap |
| 02:54.38 | gnarface | Mazingaro: understandable but that's all i got for you aside from this one thing: based only on what you told me i'm merely speculating. you could be having problems cause your xorg.conf has harmful contents or because you hosed your driver install in some clever way (like by installing mesa-gl) |
| 02:54.50 | rainfyre | And yes, this is squeeze, 6.0.1 install disk |
| 02:54.54 | Mazingaro | gnarface: xorg was deleted |
| 02:55.12 | Mazingaro | gnarface: I'm usign nouveau now |
| 02:55.17 | Mazingaro | gnarface: let's see |
| 02:55.23 | rainfyre | Bbl, im on my phone.. :) |
| 02:55.26 | Mazingaro | gnarface: kdm isn't crashed yet |
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| 02:55.38 | nsadmin | rainfyre, did you make an encrypted partition and put an lvm pv on it? |
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| 02:55.50 | Mazingaro | gnarface: session is starting... |
| 02:55.54 | rainfyre | Yes |
| 02:56.06 | gnarface | Mazingaro: your framerates in flash will suffer but i would expect almost implicit stability from the nouveau drivers otherwise |
| 02:56.17 | nsadmin | ok, that might be the break point... was that the only choice? |
| 02:56.22 | Mazingaro | gnarface: weird |
| 02:56.34 | Mazingaro | gnarface: anyway let's see if sessions works |
| 02:56.37 | gnarface | Mazingaro: don't even bother trying to play 3d games |
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| 02:56.55 | Mazingaro | gnarface: I have to work |
| 02:57.04 | Mazingaro | gnarface: I don't play anyomore :) |
| 02:57.32 | Mazingaro | gnarface: it is working now, but weird that 295.40 was running for a long time without problem |
| 02:57.59 | gnarface | Mazingaro: next time pay closer attention to what you update |
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| 02:58.20 | Mazingaro | gnarface: I updated a month ago and it was working after that |
| 02:58.30 | gnarface | Mazingaro: hmm. that *is* weird |
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| 02:58.59 | gnarface | Mazingaro: that hints at impending hardware failure |
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| 02:59.07 | gnarface | Mazingaro: heat-related damage. |
| 02:59.22 | gnarface | Mazingaro: i've seen a lot of nvidia cards begin to go out to lunch in that fashion |
| 02:59.23 | Mazingaro | gnarface: I've got problem with the fan |
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| 02:59.57 | Mazingaro | gnarface: but temp never got over 60 |
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| 03:01.00 | gnarface | Mazingaro: yea you'll want to fix that. you'll want to quite honestly disassemble it, polish their gunk off with alcohol, and put it back together using high-quality thermal compound and good assembly/application processes (they rarely do so on the assembly line) |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | fans are for people with a 586 .. jeez |
| 03:01.35 | Posterdati | gnarface: here I am |
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| 03:01.46 | rainfyre | Nsadmin, yes |
| 03:02.01 | gnarface | Posterdati: ?? |
| 03:02.04 | Mazingaro | gnarface: already did that |
| 03:02.26 | Posterdati | it's mazingaro here with the crippled computer |
| 03:02.26 | gnarface | ah |
| 03:02.32 | Mazingaro | tx |
| 03:02.34 | Mazingaro | bye |
| 03:03.12 | nsadmin | rainfyre, ok, so that confirms what he said |
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| 03:03.55 | nsadmin | and so that's exactly what you did, and made a vg and one or more lvs apiece |
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| 03:04.43 | gnarface | Posterdati: well i've seen nvidia cards go out to lunch in curious ways. i've seen TWO now that even post and appear to work but as they warm up they start throwing out the wrong ascii character glyphs in text mode, sometimes even in the wrong color, sometimes even in blank space. the problem seems to be some sort of heat-fatigue |
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| 03:05.15 | gnarface | Posterdati: well i've seen nvidia cards go out to lunch in curious ways. i've seen TWO now that even post and appear to work but as they warm up they start throwing out the wrong ascii character glyphs in text mode, sometimes even in the wrong color, sometimes even in blank space. the problem seems to be some sort of heat-fatigue |
| 03:06.04 | gnarface | Posterdati: since then i started remounting the cooling units earlier in their lives and doing more frequent de-lintings, that seems to add a few years to them |
| 03:06.59 | gnarface | Posterdati: keeping the temperatures so they're below 50 even under load helps a lot too |
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| 03:08.08 | Posterdati | gnarface: how did you monitor the temp? |
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| 03:09.11 | gnarface | Posterdati: various tools include: nvclock, sensors (from the lm-sensors package) and the nvidia-settings tool distributed with nvidia's own binary drivers (which no longer supports older cards) |
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| 03:09.30 | pparemove | anyone know how to purge all ppas from my debian box? |
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| 03:09.59 | gnarface | Posterdati: your mileage may vary with all 3 depending on driver version, kernel version, and hardware version |
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| 03:10.31 | nsadmin | pparemove, so you want to remove all packages that came from a ppa? |
| 03:10.32 | Posterdati | gnarface: forn nouveau sensors I've got 62°C |
| 03:10.47 | gnarface | Posterdati: at idle? seems kinda high even for that card |
| 03:10.52 | pparemove | nsadmin: yes, all ppas, I don't know which are installed, so I want to wipe them all |
| 03:11.12 | Diopter | gnarface: nouveau doesn't do much power management on most cards, if any |
| 03:11.27 | Posterdati | gnarface: glxgears --> temp = 67°C |
| 03:11.28 | Diopter | It's still considered highly experimental and very hard to manually activate |
| 03:11.37 | Posterdati | gnarface: glxgears --> temp = 68°C |
| 03:11.46 | Posterdati | gnarface: glxgears --> temp = 70°C |
| 03:11.54 | gnarface | Diopter: noted but he's on like an 8600... that card shouldn't really have any power management aside from fan speed, should it? |
| 03:12.17 | Diopter | gnarface: Well, you can ramp down the clocks a few steps. But not much else |
| 03:12.30 | acidchild | hello, i am unable to set a WPA2 key in wicd since my upgrade to wheezy. here is the traceback of wicd http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/FhdbJk46.html any ideas? i can't make head nor tails of it. |
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| 03:12.37 | gnarface | Posterdati: you might want to see if nvclock supports fan speed setting on that card. hardware defaults on them were usually like 30% ... really too low |
| 03:12.46 | acidchild | i am unable to press 'OK" on the preferences window in wicd |
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| 03:13.25 | Diopter | acidchild: Is your system up to date? Looks like your python-dbus install isn't quite right |
| 03:13.55 | Posterdati | gnarface: maybe the fan is broken |
| 03:14.15 | gnarface | Posterdati: you mean you don't know?! well you'd better open the thing up and look! |
| 03:14.18 | acidchild | Diopter: yes, python-dbus seems to be up to date. |
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| 03:14.35 | acidchild | Diopter: i see a 'timeout' is it attempting to connect to something? |
| 03:14.45 | Posterdati | gnarface: I opened 1 hour ago and it was spinning, but it is very old |
| 03:15.10 | Posterdati | gnarface: for a period it made noise |
| 03:15.15 | acidchild | Diopter: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/LUzDvj81.html |
| 03:15.16 | Diopter | acidchild: Yes, dbus. |
| 03:15.18 | gnarface | Posterdati: install nvclock, check to see if it supports fan speed setting. if you run it and try to set the fan speed it will tell you if it can't |
| 03:15.32 | acidchild | my sources.list is correct? |
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| 03:15.42 | Posterdati | nVidia Geforce 8600GT |
| 03:15.43 | Posterdati | => GPU temperature: 62C |
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| 03:15.50 | Diopter | acidchild: Looks fine, yeah. Assuming that mirror is actually fully up to date. |
| 03:15.59 | nsadmin | pparemove, do you tend to add ppas, install from them, and then remove the ppa source from your sources.list? |
| 03:16.07 | Posterdati | Error: adjustment of the fanspeed isn't supported on your type of videocard! |
| 03:16.10 | acidchild | Diopter: any suggestions? |
| 03:17.05 | pparemove | nsadmin: no, i accidently installed software from a ppa and need to remove it; it never was in the sources.list to begin with; can i purge all PPAs from my debian box? |
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| 03:18.01 | Posterdati | gnarface, abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:18.08 | nsadmin | pparemove, never in the sources.list? then, you downloaded .debs? |
| 03:18.15 | acidchild | Diopter: i am in the netdev group... |
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| 03:18.25 | Diopter | acidchild: Try one of the main debian mirrors for your country. |
| 03:18.34 | Diopter | acidchild: See if update/upgrade does anything for you |
| 03:18.38 | acidchild | sure. |
| 03:19.01 | gnarface | Posterdati: sorry i couldn't help more man. this is probably one of the reasons abrotman hates nvidia cards. maybe if you open the case and point a floor fan in there you can get the temperature down into sane ranges |
| 03:19.26 | Diopter | gnarface, Posterdati: what kind of heavy load temps are you seeing? |
| 03:19.42 | Diopter | 8x00GTs were rated for very high load temps. |
| 03:19.44 | Posterdati | Diopter: from 62°C to 70°C |
| 03:19.57 | gnarface | Diopter: well i'm on a much newer card now so its irrelevant... i get heavy load temps of about 55 |
| 03:20.06 | Posterdati | gnarface: screensaver is ugly :( |
| 03:20.07 | Diopter | The 8800 I had, for instance, was rated for safe operation up to 90C, with a hardware cutoff at 100C |
| 03:20.15 | nsadmin | pparemove, well, do you actually have all the .debs you installed from the ppa? |
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| 03:20.43 | gnarface | Diopter: yea those ratings are designed to burn the card out within a year so you have to buy a new one just in time for the following year's new model though |
| 03:20.54 | Devastator | why kernel 3.2.0 in squeeze-backports? I mean, it's a big jump compared to 2.6.32, isn't it? |
| 03:20.59 | gnarface | Diopter: pampered, you can get these things to last the better part of a decade |
| 03:21.03 | Diopter | gnarface: Maybe, but that card is still going strong 5 years later, 3 of which were filled with constant gaming :P |
| 03:21.20 | Diopter | Had a nice case with good flow, granted, but it still sat at 75C pretty much constantly |
| 03:21.21 | gnarface | Diopter: hey maybe you got one built on a wednesday |
| 03:21.27 | nsadmin | Devastator, it is in there... I don't know why :) |
| 03:21.32 | Diopter | gnarface: hehe. yeah. Can be a mixed bag with hardware, for sure |
| 03:22.29 | acidchild | Diopter: interesting, i get another error when using wpa_supplicant directly. |
| 03:22.34 | acidchild | driver issue... |
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| 03:22.40 | Devastator | nsadmin I started to search for my build dependencies and for one module it needs at least 2.6.34, I think 3.2.0 is a bit overkill.. do you know if it would run well on old hardware like my p3? |
| 03:22.54 | Diopter | acidchild: Fun. How's that official mirror coming? :P |
| 03:24.07 | silouck | nsadmin: hard to believe that debian has an installer that does not allow to install encryoted partitions |
| 03:24.25 | pparemove | nsadmin: probably not, assuming worst case scenario |
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| 03:24.59 | nsadmin | silouck, agreed, that is hard to believe |
| 03:25.24 | nsadmin | (what makes it the hardest to believe is we both heard a success report) |
| 03:26.11 | silouck | nsadmin: thats only oissble to encryot /home and does not use the manual mode |
| 03:26.20 | nsadmin | having said all that, the installer in that way seems complicated and help texts don't seem to be added at the time |
| 03:26.30 | silouck | if you use the manual mode to encrypt any partition it also fails |
| 03:26.57 | acidchild | Diopter: no updates using ftp.ca.debian.org :-) |
| 03:27.11 | nsadmin | I'm tryiing to figure out how to boot the installer, given I don't have the ability to burn cds at the moment |
| 03:27.20 | Diopter | acidchild: Well, good. That's a place to start at least. |
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| 03:27.24 | silouck | nsadmin: use a pen |
| 03:27.31 | Diopter | acidchild: I'd try purging and reinstalling python-dbus and wicd, to start. |
| 03:27.48 | nsadmin | hmm. maybe I could use my phone |
| 03:27.51 | silouck | nsadmin: i also dont burn cds |
| 03:27.52 | Diopter | acidchild: Maybe all of their dependencies and reverse dependencies too |
| 03:28.16 | Diopter | nsadmin: Mass storage on the phone off an sd card can definitely work, I've done it :P |
| 03:28.33 | Diopter | think I did it through a blackberry, in fact. Not even something linuxy |
| 03:28.33 | nsadmin | I've got 32g in the phone :) |
| 03:29.07 | nsadmin | one problem is, I don't want to format it |
| 03:29.09 | acidchild | thats a lot of spice girls songs nsadmin :) |
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| 03:29.13 | silouck | nsadmin: my phne as 1 gb |
| 03:29.25 | nsadmin | I have a recorder that's a gb |
| 03:29.43 | silouck | hu? |
| 03:29.53 | nsadmin | I could use it |
| 03:30.01 | silouck | gb? |
| 03:30.07 | nsadmin | 1, yes |
| 03:30.17 | silouck | ah |
| 03:30.28 | silouck | yeap |
| 03:30.31 | nsadmin | acidchild, and lots of tribal tech tunes too |
| 03:30.42 | taxman | gb = great british? |
| 03:31.08 | nsadmin | gooey brown |
| 03:31.20 | taxman | no idea |
| 03:31.21 | silouck | taxman: good bye |
| 03:31.25 | taxman | what? |
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| 03:33.30 | nsadmin | silouck, I think a short converstion with rainfyre revealed what the difference was... he actually made an encrypted lvm pv out of each partition, and for each, made a volume group and a logical volume |
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| 03:34.10 | silouck | i see |
| 03:34.33 | nsadmin | if I recall what you said correctly, you got to the point of having to create a group and decided not to |
| 03:34.54 | nsadmin | if I recall one thing both of you said, there was not another choice |
| 03:36.17 | nsadmin | so, with dm-crypt (the recommended default) you get placed into the lvm system |
| 03:36.30 | acidchild | Diopter: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=20;att=1;bug=625701 |
| 03:36.46 | acidchild | Diopter: this is the exact situation, i didn't have this problem with stable and there doesn't seem to be a solution. this is a shame. |
| 03:36.46 | silouck | nsadmin: but you should not be forced to create lvm |
| 03:36.54 | silouck | nsadmin: what time is there |
| 03:37.07 | nsadmin | 20:30 |
| 03:37.17 | Diopter | acidchild: I will look in a moment |
| 03:37.17 | silouck | hu?!?!? |
| 03:37.39 | silouck | nsadmin: china? |
| 03:38.07 | nsadmin | silouck, no, but it does start with c :) |
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| 03:38.27 | silouck | ? |
| 03:38.35 | nsadmin | california |
| 03:38.42 | silouck | thats not a country man |
| 03:38.45 | silouck | xiiii |
| 03:38.50 | silouck | your american... |
| 03:39.06 | nsadmin | coincidentally, I'm not a country man either! |
| 03:39.10 | pparemove | nsadmin: you have any idea on how to purge all PPAs from Debian? |
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| 03:39.48 | silouck | nsadmin: cowboy? |
| 03:40.20 | _thomas__ | Hi, I'm trying to set up a key based ssh auth, but my server still asks for my password, someone can help me? |
| 03:40.52 | nsadmin | pparemove, according to what you said, you did not add ppa source to your sources.list. This reduces the ability to determine in a search-the-database way the packages that came from the ppa |
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| 03:41.10 | somiaj | _thomas__: do you have it enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:41.30 | somiaj | _thomas__: also are you trying to do this as root or a normal user? |
| 03:41.35 | _thomas__ | somiaj, as a normal user |
| 03:41.56 | nsadmin | pparemove, so my question would be, -exactly- how did you obtain the stuff? and, did you install them using dpkg? |
| 03:42.01 | _thomas__ | That's the line that enable it? RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:42.28 | nsadmin | silouck, note that "cowboy" is a gender-contradiction |
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| 03:42.48 | silouck | nsadmin: so your a bullboy? |
| 03:43.06 | nsadmin | never did say what I am :) |
| 03:43.17 | somiaj | _thomas__: do ssh -vv host -- do you see anything about keys in that |
| 03:43.56 | silouck | nsadmin: iy said you were not a country man |
| 03:44.01 | pparemove | nsadmin: are you familiar with PPAs? you download with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:somename/ppa and it does NOT go into the soruces.list; i do not know where it is stored |
| 03:44.04 | nsadmin | silouck, the rest of that particular conversation thread should take place on #debian-offtopic |
| 03:44.05 | silouck | nsadmin: girl? |
| 03:44.42 | nsadmin | as it has nothing to do with debian support |
| 03:45.13 | silouck | nsadmin: not really its more time to go to bed :)~ |
| 03:45.15 | nsadmin | pparemove, take a look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 03:46.08 | _thomas__ | somiaj, yes, a lot of stuff |
| 03:46.16 | _thomas__ | debug1: Offering RSA public key: vps_rsa.pub |
| 03:46.17 | _thomas__ | debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply |
| 03:46.17 | _thomas__ | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method debug1: Next authentication method: password |
| 03:46.45 | silouck | nsadmin: any plans to fix the install? |
| 03:46.46 | somiaj | _thomas__: well there is some info, I don't really know a fix unforntally |
| 03:47.13 | _thomas__ | somiaj, thanks, now I can google it :) |
| 03:47.58 | nsadmin | silouck, still not convinced there's something to fix other than the complexity (which they will argue for, by saying they're allowing more combinations) and context-sensitive help |
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| 03:48.50 | silouck | nsadmin: time to take a pick yourself~ |
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| 03:49.41 | nsadmin | silouck, the thing to do after we get to the point we were at, is, for each encrypted partition, the installer will create an lvm encrypted pv, which would then need a volume group and (likely) 1 or (unlikely but possibly) more logical volumes |
| 03:50.22 | nsadmin | I'm also suspecting the ubuntu installer are the same |
| 03:50.42 | pparemove | nsadmin: thanks, that solved it; have a great day |
| 03:51.27 | nsadmin | pparemove, great :) would that include you removing the ppa from the sources? |
| 03:51.34 | silouck | well i have finised download Mageua, time to install now |
| 03:52.07 | nsadmin | silouck, great! hope it works well for you |
| 03:53.13 | silouck | with Mageia 1 went fine, now its with Mageia 2, lets see... |
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| 03:58.09 | alekz | Hi guys! After changing my mobo with a new one with integrated video nvidia geforce 3200, I never could get the driver installed, so I decided to trying by reinstalling debian from a the last version. But I can't start the live nor graphics installation |
| 03:58.45 | somiaj | that sounds like an old card, you will need a legacy driver package |
| 03:58.47 | alekz | I got the URL of the forum's website that describes the hole problem, I just don't know if I can paste it |
| 03:59.03 | somiaj | that is if you don't just want to use nouveau instead |
| 03:59.30 | alekz | none of those works |
| 03:59.43 | alekz | I already tried the legacy by the first days, no luck. |
| 03:59.59 | alekz | nouveau not working there, but working now from a mint debian based live |
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| 04:00.13 | silouck | nsadmin: well its a go :) |
| 04:00.23 | somiaj | alekz: I know there was lots of recent nouveau changes, a kernel and xorg from squeeze-backports may help with that |
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| 04:00.37 | somiaj | or try the old 'nv' driver for that card if you just want 2d support (not that nouveau has 3d yet anyways) |
| 04:01.09 | alekz | I need no 3D, but nouveau's performance is very poor :( |
| 04:01.45 | nsadmin | silouck, great :) and so, I would assume you chose against dm-crypt? |
| 04:02.25 | Devastator | I'm trying to backport xtables-addons-common from sid, but when I type apt-get -b source xtables-addons-common it gets squeeze version, what I'm doing wrong? |
| 04:02.35 | silouck | nsadmin: its default |
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| 04:03.09 | Diopter | Devastator: Try apt-get -b source sid/xtables-addons-common |
| 04:03.10 | silouck | nsadmin: by the way, /boot partition should come first that swap? |
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| 04:04.10 | nsadmin | silouck, in older (pregrub) days, that was more important |
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| 04:04.36 | somiaj | ,versions xtables-addons-common |
| 04:04.37 | judd | Package: xtables-addons-common on i386 -- squeeze: 1.26-2+b1; sid: 1.42-1; wheezy: 1.42-1 |
| 04:04.50 | somiaj | ,check-backport xtables-addons-common |
| 04:04.51 | judd | Backporting package xtables-addons-common in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 04:05.01 | nsadmin | , info xtables |
| 04:05.02 | judd | No package named 'xtables' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 04:05.19 | somiaj | Devastator: do you have a deb-src line for sid in your sources.list |
| 04:05.50 | somiaj | Devastator: and if you have both a squeeze and sid deb-src, you may need to tell apt which one to use, apt-get -t sid -b source foo |
| 04:07.42 | Devastator | Diopter E: Unable to find a source package for sid |
| 04:08.02 | nsadmin | so xtables is some kind of addon for iptables? |
| 04:08.03 | Devastator | somiaj E: Ignore unavailable target release 'sid' of package 'xtables-addons-common' |
| 04:08.10 | Devastator | nsadmin yes |
| 04:08.13 | somiaj | then use unstable |
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| 04:08.32 | Devastator | somiaj same |
| 04:08.37 | nsadmin | unstable -is- sid :) |
| 04:08.50 | Devastator | nsadmin it gives you more extensions for you to use with iptables |
| 04:09.09 | nsadmin | why the name "xtables"? |
| 04:09.30 | Diopter | nsadmin: Because it was called that when it was originally just patches for iptables |
| 04:09.31 | nsadmin | is it some kind of specific grouping for some particular purpose? |
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| 04:09.50 | Diopter | nsadmin: New iptables targets and userspace netfilter hooks |
| 04:10.07 | Diopter | Gives you stuff like -j TARPIT and -j BLACKHOLE and a handful of other fun stuff |
| 04:10.10 | Devastator | nsadmin it replaces patch-o-matic |
| 04:10.19 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 04:12.38 | Devastator | i really cannot understand why it is picking the one on squeeze |
| 04:13.17 | nsadmin | look in your sources.list, or apt-cache policy (that package) |
| 04:13.24 | nsadmin | or both |
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| 04:14.29 | somiaj | Devastator: if you want put a copy of your sources.list on paste.debian.net |
| 04:14.35 | Devastator | nsadmin i have a sid deb-src, backports is pinned |
| 04:14.39 | somiaj | Devastator: did you apt-get update after you added the new dev-src line |
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| 04:14.49 | Devastator | yes somiaj |
| 04:14.49 | somiaj | deb-src |
| 04:14.58 | Devastator | i've already backported iptables successfully |
| 04:15.04 | somiaj | comment out any squeeze deb-src lines |
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| 04:16.18 | Devastator | somiaj http://codepad.org/UB8YxipM |
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| 04:17.35 | somiaj | I see no reason why it should be grabing the squeeze version. |
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| 04:17.40 | somiaj | Why do you think it is? (just courious) |
| 04:17.59 | Devastator | somiaj squeeze version is 1.26, sid version is 1.42 |
| 04:18.22 | somiaj | yes I know that, but just courious what you are looking at. (: |
| 04:18.29 | freaky[t] | hi all. i got a question. im trying to set up xfce4 with vnc4server and i get the following error when starting and trying to connect to the vnc server. The screen is just grey and theres no mouse or menus showing up: http://pastie.org/private/pf2btp8eu3oo2eac4lulxw can anybody help me? :D |
| 04:18.56 | alekz | thanks, see you. |
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| 04:20.20 | silouck | nsadmin: can you do me a favour? |
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| 04:20.34 | Devastator | somiaj well, it says version 1.26 when i type apt-get -b source xtables-addons-common |
| 04:21.06 | nsadmin | silouck, what favor? |
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| 04:21.45 | silouck | can you with mc enter in a certain package change a string in a file, save and send me back the filr? |
| 04:22.17 | silouck | i dont have here any linux distro installed atm, only windows, and mc in windows isnt able to enter in .rpm files |
| 04:22.39 | nsadmin | I don't believe I have mc installed... |
| 04:22.58 | nsadmin | wait, I thought you just installed that linux thing |
| 04:23.47 | silouck | i stoped because the default cypher is aes-xts-benbi and that isnt supported in Open OTFE in windows |
| 04:24.06 | nsadmin | "<silouck> well i have finised download Mageua, time to install now", "<silouck> nsadmin: well its a go :)" |
| 04:24.22 | silouck | yeap but i didnt finish the isntall |
| 04:24.29 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:25.18 | nsadmin | and the dm-crypt is also not supported? (hmm, that's probably not a cypher type) |
| 04:25.30 | silouck | its default |
| 04:25.45 | silouck | i need to change the cypher |
| 04:25.50 | silouck | can you do it? |
| 04:26.12 | silouck | its just edit a file in mc |
| 04:26.28 | silouck | and then ill reburn the iso in the usb |
| 04:26.33 | nsadmin | a text file, right? |
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| 04:27.10 | silouck | a text file inside a rpm |
| 04:27.48 | silouck | thats why is needed to run mc to enter in the rpm |
| 04:30.00 | nsadmin | hmm. While I can easily take a .deb apart, (a) I don't know how to take apart or reassemble an rpm and (b) I am busy and can't take the time to learn how |
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| 04:30.34 | silouck | nsadmin: you dont need to learn anything, its just needed to have mc and run it |
| 04:30.40 | silouck | m will do everything |
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| 04:32.02 | acidchild | Diopter: so... i got rid of wicd as the debian bug tracker suggested, used wpa_gui... not too happy with debian atm .... |
| 04:32.35 | acidchild | found out the same bug is whats stopped me using wifi on my other laptop for the last 4 months... i thought the card was gone. |
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| 04:36.12 | Diopter | acidchild: I'm using wicd on wheezy, so, I'm not sure what's wrong on your end |
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| 04:46.10 | craigevil | wicd works fine in sid no problems here, never could get wpa_gui or network-manager to work |
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| 04:51.42 | freaky[t] | hi all. i got a question. im trying to set up xfce4 with vnc4server and i get the following error when starting and trying to connect to the vnc server. The screen is just grey and theres no mouse or menus showing up: http://pastie.org/private/pf2btp8eu3oo2eac4lulxw can anybody help me? :D fluxbox also doesnt work i have no idea why :( |
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| 05:01.59 | acidchild | Diopter: weird eh? i can use wpa_gui but... it doesn't use dhcp so its a multi stage process to connect to the wifi :( |
| 05:02.20 | acidchild | task for another day :-) thanks for being a sounding board. |
| 05:03.36 | Diopter | acidchild: Sure thing. Good luck |
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| 05:19.25 | lilibox | hi |
| 05:20.32 | lilibox | i am trying to run something like streaming video centre here for use with air video app, and i need this: mpeg4ip-server |
| 05:20.56 | lilibox | no chance to find it for squueze i368 |
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| 05:21.25 | lilibox | does anybody can help me a little bit, attemtps to build own failed :( |
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| 05:55.38 | JasonWoof | I keep setting my default ("fallback") audio output device in pavucontrol, but it doesn't stick |
| 05:56.09 | JasonWoof | I'm not sure if it's a reboot that puts it back, or when I disconnect my bt headphones |
| 05:56.34 | JasonWoof | but I remember that when I had gnome installed, I set the default audio out device to my bt headphones, and it'd always play stuff on the headphones when they were connected |
| 05:57.07 | JasonWoof | how can I make my bt headphones always the default device when they're plugged in without installing gnome? |
| 05:57.13 | JasonWoof | I'm fine editing geeky text files/etc |
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| 05:58.13 | nsadmin | do you feel something specific when you realize that's what you're doing? editing "geeky" text files? |
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| 06:02.03 | saju | Getting error while trying to mount # mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2 mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 06:02.09 | saju | how find filesystem type of /dev/sda2 ? |
| 06:02.23 | nsadmin | try file /dev/sda2 |
| 06:02.36 | nsadmin | but wait, didn't you format it? |
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| 06:05.09 | stercor | what is the name of the package containing the C compiler and the development utilties? |
| 06:05.20 | Diopter | stercor: build-essential |
| 06:06.16 | nsadmin | development utilities, meaning parts of the c compiler, the binary utilities, make, and the dev part of libc |
| 06:06.22 | stercor | Diopter: Thanks! |
| 06:07.14 | nsadmin | did you want some other utils as well?> |
| 06:07.44 | nsadmin | oh, build-essential should also include ncurses and ncurses-dev (not exact names) |
| 06:08.14 | stercor | nsadmin: Oh, probably. I'm building my web site Apache, PostgreSQL, PHP --- and no, I don't want to sudo apt-get them. |
| 06:08.29 | stercor | It's a control issue. :-) |
| 06:08.51 | nsadmin | understood... you want debian's hands OFF your web stack |
| 06:09.12 | Diopter | Debian does have really nice hands, though. |
| 06:09.19 | Diopter | All metrosexual and whatnot |
| 06:09.22 | nsadmin | still... you could build packages |
| 06:09.31 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:09.48 | nevyn | wtfpackages was talking about this at a devops meetup this week |
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| 06:10.05 | nevyn | having current and up to date rails/app dependancies that installed alongside the os packages. |
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| 06:12.12 | Diopter | nevyn: Carrying packages for much newer software and all its deps is hard, though. Particularly for devops. |
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| 06:16.03 | muskatnuss | morning |
| 06:16.12 | nevyn | Diopter: agreed. |
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| 06:17.04 | nevyn | Diopter: here's the idea: https://gist.github.com/2279957 |
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| 06:20.35 | peterrooney | nevyn: who is the "you" in the first paragraph? |
| 06:21.21 | Diopter | nevyn: Interesting. I'm not sure what I think about this approach yet. It looks like a variation on "let's make your package manager understand pip/gem/etc better and integrate with rvm/virtualenv" |
| 06:21.32 | Diopter | Which, if it worked, would be awesomesauce |
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| 06:22.16 | nevyn | peterrooney: a web developer deploying a solution based on web flavour of the month |
| 06:22.22 | Diopter | Huh, interesting. Continuous integration on various configurations for testing. That would definitely be win if done well |
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| 06:23.04 | Diopter | nevyn: Yeah. Trying to bootstrap a useful, up-to-date node.js system without living in gem/pip/git is nigh impossible right now |
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| 06:23.29 | Diopter | If a distro tries really hard, they might stay a few weeks behind important developments, but that's best-case |
| 06:23.36 | phix | hey, how do I find out what package (that I may or may not have installed) a file belongs to or is listed in? |
| 06:23.51 | nevyn | phix: apt-file search |
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| 06:23.58 | phix | thnx |
| 06:24.11 | nevyn | phix: if it's installed you can do dpkg -S path/to/file |
| 06:24.16 | phix | apt-file |
| 06:24.17 | phix | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 06:24.19 | nevyn | this is faster. |
| 06:24.24 | nevyn | phix: so install it? |
| 06:24.40 | Diopter | I alias apt-file search, dpkg -S and a couple of similar things. Incredibly handy |
| 06:24.43 | phix | I can't, I dont have ifconfig installed and I have no idea how to setup an interface using ip |
| 06:24.50 | Diopter | phix: I can tell you the latter easily |
| 06:24.56 | Diopter | phix: What's the interface you want to work with? |
| 06:25.02 | phix | eth0 |
| 06:25.08 | Diopter | phix: DHCP address or static? |
| 06:25.17 | phix | should be DHCP |
| 06:25.27 | matanya | I tried to install netinstall, but unable to connect to mirrors, any suggestion? |
| 06:25.31 | phix | I am setting up a lxc |
| 06:25.33 | Diopter | Cool. iproute2 has the worst documentation I've ever seen, but it's a fairly easy tool |
| 06:25.37 | phix | so I am trying to setup the container |
| 06:25.47 | Diopter | You can prefix any unique command, which makes it very fast to do complex things |
| 06:26.08 | muskatnuss | matanya: maybe your network is not properly setup - its a step in netinstalling process |
| 06:26.13 | phix | Diopter: ah ok, so I should google iproute2? or is it easy enough to give me the syntax here? |
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| 06:26.25 | matanya | muskatnuss: it says its ok |
| 06:26.39 | Diopter | In your case: ip l s dev eth0 up, to make sure it's up, then dhclient eth0 |
| 06:26.45 | matanya | dhcp setting finished successfully |
| 06:26.46 | muskatnuss | matanya: so youre able to choose a mirror ? but than youre not able to connect to it ? |
| 06:26.52 | matanya | yes |
| 06:27.06 | Diopter | phix: Which is short for: ip link set dev eth0 up |
| 06:27.13 | muskatnuss | so what mirror do you choose maybe try a different one ? |
| 06:27.22 | matanya | i tried 25 |
| 06:27.23 | phix | ah |
| 06:27.24 | Diopter | I also alias the crap out of ip and iptables :P |
| 06:27.35 | phix | :P |
| 06:27.36 | muskatnuss | well :) |
| 06:27.42 | phix | ok thnx I will give tha ta go |
| 06:27.47 | Diopter | Cool |
| 06:28.00 | muskatnuss | and the whole error message you get matanya ? tells you cant connect to server nothing more or less ? |
| 06:28.10 | phix | bash: dhclient: command not found |
| 06:28.14 | phix | hmmmmmmm |
| 06:28.19 | phix | static it is then |
| 06:28.41 | muskatnuss | are you sure internet connection is available via this interface you set up ? any other workstation to test the connection ? |
| 06:28.50 | matanya | muskatnuss: yes and the option retry/chooseother/ignore/go back |
| 06:29.06 | Diopter | phix: K, know the subnet and what an IP that might be free are? |
| 06:29.21 | phix | muskatnuss: no idea, I am setting up a linux container, I configured it to setup a virtual ethernet which the guest is picking up |
| 06:29.40 | phix | yeah 10.0.0.7 netmask 255.255.255.192 |
| 06:30.05 | muskatnuss | well that sounds that there is maybe an ip routing problem so your machine gets dhcp configs but is not able to access the internet overall |
| 06:30.18 | matanya | hmm |
| 06:30.21 | phix | I dont have dhclient installed :) |
| 06:30.25 | muskatnuss | can you try "go back" and set static interface setting matanya ? |
| 06:30.26 | Diopter | phix: Cool, so 10.0.0.0/26. Do you know what the IP of the gateway is? Presumably .1 |
| 06:30.32 | phix | or are you talking to someone else? |
| 06:30.37 | phix | yup |
| 06:30.59 | Diopter | phix: Easysauce. ip a a 10.0.0.7/26 dev eth0; ip r a default via 10.0.0.1 |
| 06:32.12 | matanya | I think I can |
| 06:32.24 | muskatnuss | would be great to give it a try matanya |
| 06:32.36 | matanya | trying |
| 06:32.59 | muskatnuss | just in case the dhcp server is broken or dont deliver a correct dns server |
| 06:33.30 | matanya | I doubt it, the computer i'm on new does get an address |
| 06:33.33 | phix | Diopter: thnx |
| 06:33.56 | phix | I will read the manual for that, it looks like a powerful command |
| 06:35.26 | muskatnuss | sure it does matanya but though there is the case that it maybe cant resolve the hostnames of the mirrors |
| 06:35.52 | Diopter | phix: iproute2 is the winsauce. Can make tunnels, tun/taps, encapsulations, policy routing rules, multiple routing tables... |
| 06:35.54 | matanya | now trying to get ntp |
| 06:36.23 | muskatnuss | matanya are you online with a second workstation around using the same subnet and gateway and dhcp server ? |
| 06:36.29 | Diopter | phix: Mostly because ifconfig is old and deprecated. One of the painful flaws it has is that it doesn't understand multihoming |
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| 06:36.45 | matanya | yes muskatnuss |
| 06:37.03 | Diopter | phix: Which means multiple IPs on the same interface. Ifconfig thinks they're aliased interfaces, which is logically inaccurate and practically very confusing :P |
| 06:37.23 | muskatnuss | then please try to ping one of the mirrors from the workstation that got internet access matanya |
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| 06:38.39 | matanya | --- debian.co.il ping statistics --- |
| 06:38.39 | matanya | 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 8010ms |
| 06:38.39 | matanya | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 10.312/11.076/11.392/0.422 ms |
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| 06:39.31 | matanya | now I got bad archive mirror |
| 06:39.52 | matanya | trying a diff mirror |
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| 06:41.24 | muskatnuss | in case that doesnt work with another mirror |
| 06:41.44 | muskatnuss | matanya: press ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 06:42.06 | matanya | did |
| 06:42.14 | muskatnuss | matanya: there you go and ping the server or ping google.com |
| 06:42.20 | muskatnuss | or smthn that should be reachable |
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| 06:42.38 | muskatnuss | maybe your gateway or home router if you are not possible to ping google.com from there |
| 06:42.42 | matanya | /bin/sh : ping:not found |
| 06:43.03 | muskatnuss | ezz... well |
| 06:43.07 | muskatnuss | try nslookup google.com |
| 06:44.17 | matanya | /bin/sh : nslookup:not found |
| 06:44.29 | muskatnuss | well interesting give it a try and enter |
| 06:44.35 | muskatnuss | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:45.04 | muskatnuss | and post the output if it is large (im sure it is not) to pastebin or here |
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| 06:45.43 | phix | Diopter: ah ok,so I shouldnt install net-tools? |
| 06:45.53 | phix | I should learn iproute2? |
| 06:46.23 | matanya | search foss.co.il nameserver 192.168.1.1 nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
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| 06:47.08 | Diopter | phix: Yes. It's literally the only tool that can do a pretty big list of stuff -- unless you write your own netlink client :P |
| 06:47.11 | muskatnuss | you know how to use vi ? matanya |
| 06:47.31 | muskatnuss | if so than change the file /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:47.33 | matanya | I do but there is only nano on this iso |
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| 06:47.41 | matanya | using nano |
| 06:47.43 | muskatnuss | nano is good also |
| 06:47.56 | Diopter | phix: If you want to look at interfaces/addresses, "show" is the default command in most of the categories of actions |
| 06:47.59 | matanya | change to what? |
| 06:48.01 | muskatnuss | and delete everything except nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
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| 06:48.13 | muskatnuss | than save and close the file |
| 06:48.15 | matanya | done |
| 06:48.18 | Diopter | phix: Like "ip link" shows layer 1 (physical) and layer 2 (link-layer) info |
| 06:48.24 | muskatnuss | press strg+alt+f7 |
| 06:48.32 | muskatnuss | and try to checkout the mirror again |
| 06:48.37 | phix | Diopter: yeah |
| 06:48.38 | matanya | doing |
| 06:48.43 | phix | Diopter: ip a list hey |
| 06:48.52 | matanya | nope, the same error |
| 06:48.54 | Diopter | phix: And "ip addr" shows layer 1+2+3 |
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| 06:49.06 | Diopter | or ip a for the typing-less-win |
| 06:49.14 | muskatnuss | matanya: again bad archive mirror ? |
| 06:49.15 | Diopter | ip l, ip r, ip a, profit |
| 06:49.22 | matanya | yes muskatnuss |
| 06:50.08 | muskatnuss | well than get back to terminal mode and change /etc/resolv.conf to only. nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
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| 06:50.19 | muskatnuss | and try again |
| 06:50.33 | phix | Diopter: hehe |
| 06:50.35 | muskatnuss | its definatly and dns error occuring |
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| 06:51.10 | phix | ok and what is with this resolvconfgen thingy |
| 06:51.15 | phix | daemonised or something? |
| 06:51.27 | phix | actually nm, I am thinking ubuntu :P |
| 06:51.32 | matanya | and yet agian |
| 06:51.42 | Diopter | phix: It's actually really cool. resolvconf helps coordinate DNS entries obtained from multiple sources. |
| 06:51.48 | matanya | *again |
| 06:51.52 | muskatnuss | matanya: if this doesnt change anything in your error message occuring, then switch to terminal mode again and enter |
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| 06:52.02 | Diopter | phix: Like, say, wired + wireless, or a couple wired DHCP addresses, whatever |
| 06:52.02 | muskatnuss | matanya: cd /tmp |
| 06:52.11 | muskatnuss | matanya: wget ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 06:52.37 | muskatnuss | if this gives you an error try |
| 06:52.43 | phix | Diopter: hmmmm, I see |
| 06:53.06 | muskatnuss | matanya: wget ftp://130.89.148.12/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
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| 06:53.42 | muskatnuss | matanya: if you can wget with this ip and not with the name we are sure it is an dns error |
| 06:53.49 | matanya | the first one gave me bad adress |
| 06:54.08 | matanya | the second gave no route to host |
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| 06:55.12 | muskatnuss | matanya: enter in terminal mode |
| 06:55.19 | muskatnuss | matanya: netstat -trn |
| 06:55.25 | muskatnuss | and give me the output |
| 06:55.51 | matanya | not found |
| 06:55.58 | muskatnuss | matanya: if possible enter this on your working workstation as well as root / sudo and check the difference in the outputs |
| 06:56.08 | muskatnuss | matanya: well then simply enter "route" |
| 06:56.14 | muskatnuss | should output the same |
| 06:56.33 | matanya | I think I found something |
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| 06:56.45 | matanya | dest 192.178.1.1 |
| 06:56.54 | matanya | it should be 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:57.00 | matanya | how do I change it? |
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| 06:57.09 | muskatnuss | okay good |
| 06:57.28 | muskatnuss | i need the whole output to tell you the command that could change this and correct the problem |
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| 06:58.32 | matanya | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 06:58.32 | matanya | default 192.178.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:58.51 | nevyn | Diopter: the presentation is somewhat amusing. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8948391/wtfpackages.pdf |
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| 06:58.59 | matanya | 192.178.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:59.08 | Diopter | matanya: If you're trying to change your default gateway, it's actually very easy |
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| 06:59.16 | Diopter | ip r r default via 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:59.20 | Diopter | (ip route replace) |
| 06:59.23 | muskatnuss | alright matanya: enter: route delete 0.0.0.0 mask 255.255.255.255 192.178.1.1 |
| 06:59.37 | nevyn | Diopter: so I dunno I've concerns about risk associated with that strategy (particularly the whole... containment issue) |
| 06:59.40 | Diopter | That way you don't have to delete, then add |
| 06:59.49 | muskatnuss | then: route add 0.0.0.0 mask 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.1 0 0 |
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| 07:00.23 | muskatnuss | oh diopter dont know about this ip route replace :) well you could help us out here if you like |
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| 07:00.58 | Diopter | muskatnuss: Sure! I just wasn't following along too close until now. |
| 07:01.16 | matanya | usage: route [{add|del|delete}] |
| 07:01.47 | muskatnuss | well thats ... ok wait a sec matanya |
| 07:01.49 | Diopter | matanya: Interesting. Looks like you've got a busybox version of iproute2 |
| 07:02.03 | matanya | i do |
| 07:02.09 | matanya | v1.17.1 |
| 07:02.17 | Diopter | The full ip commandset for "ip route" is list, flush, save, restore, get, add, del, change, append, replace... :P |
| 07:02.32 | Diopter | So you have to delete then add. |
| 07:02.51 | Diopter | ip r d default via 192.178.1.1; ip r a default via 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:02.55 | muskatnuss | matanya: has the delete command worked for you ? |
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| 07:03.49 | matanya | no |
| 07:04.09 | muskatnuss | okay enter: ip route delete default via 192.178.1.1 |
| 07:04.10 | matanya | the one Diopter gave worked |
| 07:04.17 | muskatnuss | alright :) |
| 07:04.21 | matanya | but onlt the del part |
| 07:04.24 | matanya | *only |
| 07:04.28 | matanya | not the add part |
| 07:04.38 | Diopter | matanya: Check your current routing table with "ip r" |
| 07:04.49 | Diopter | See what's there for default |
| 07:04.54 | matanya | 192.178.1.0./24 |
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| 07:05.07 | matanya | src 192.178.1.102 |
| 07:05.18 | matanya | need to delete that to |
| 07:05.20 | matanya | *o |
| 07:05.22 | Diopter | Oh. So, you've actually got an address in the 192.178 range |
| 07:05.45 | matanya | yes |
| 07:05.51 | matanya | I need to change that too |
| 07:05.54 | muskatnuss | matanya: maybe it just would be easier to get a step back and enter static ip instead of using the surely messed up dhcp you got there |
| 07:06.11 | Diopter | Find the interface with that .102 IP (using "ip a"), then either ip a d <ip> dev <interface>, or try ip a f <interface>. |
| 07:06.19 | Diopter | You busybox iproute might have f(lush)! |
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| 07:07.34 | matanya | ok |
| 07:07.42 | matanya | we are through this |
| 07:07.46 | matanya | we have a new issue |
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| 07:07.51 | Diopter | yay, issues |
| 07:07.59 | Diopter | I'm trying to collect them all |
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| 07:08.28 | matanya | the installer failed to access the mirror |
| 07:08.36 | matanya | blah blah |
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| 07:09.04 | muskatnuss | oh well... try another if you havent already |
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| 07:09.50 | matanya | no |
| 07:09.58 | matanya | but wget does work |
| 07:10.07 | matanya | your suggestion above |
| 07:10.39 | muskatnuss | alright ... got us further |
| 07:10.42 | Diopter | That's a good sign. Looks like intarwebs work at least |
| 07:10.45 | Diopter | hehe |
| 07:10.58 | muskatnuss | can you check the route again |
| 07:10.59 | muskatnuss | ip r |
| 07:11.07 | muskatnuss | just if any default route is available ;) |
| 07:11.15 | matanya | it's ok now |
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| 07:11.41 | matanya | but no connection to the mirror |
| 07:12.20 | muskatnuss | what version of debian netinstall are you on ? |
| 07:12.31 | matanya | squeze |
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| 07:12.43 | Diopter | matanya: Which mirror are you trying? |
| 07:12.49 | matanya | squeeze |
| 07:12.59 | matanya | mirror.isoc.org.il |
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| 07:13.21 | matanya | and ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 07:13.34 | matanya | and ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 07:13.37 | matanya | etc |
| 07:13.40 | Diopter | Hrm |
| 07:13.50 | muskatnuss | mh thats weird ... this is really new to me |
| 07:14.12 | matanya | it is a modified iso |
| 07:14.18 | Diopter | matanya: So you're In the netinstall... you have a static IP... what's in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 07:14.53 | matanya | search foss.co.il nameserver 192.168.1.1 nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
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| 07:15.38 | Diopter | Cool. And you don't have ping, I think you said... |
| 07:15.49 | muskatnuss | true story |
| 07:15.59 | matanya | I don't |
| 07:16.10 | matanya | but why I use wget I can connect |
| 07:16.13 | matanya | *when |
| 07:16.27 | Diopter | matanya: So... we did static IP and route because your DHCP isn't working? |
| 07:16.35 | muskatnuss | so everything is good and set up surely it should work |
| 07:16.42 | matanya | i thinks so Diopter |
| 07:16.57 | muskatnuss | can you read the whole error you get when trying to use the mirror ... what does the continue option say ? |
| 07:17.13 | muskatnuss | does it say continue WITHOUT mirror |
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| 07:17.17 | muskatnuss | or anyhting else ? |
| 07:17.24 | matanya | I can look in /var/log/messages |
| 07:17.27 | matanya | just a ces |
| 07:17.28 | matanya | sec |
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| 07:17.46 | Diopter | TTY4 should have output as well |
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| 07:17.59 | Diopter | Alt+F4, or Ctrl+Alt+F4 |
| 07:18.03 | matanya | it does |
| 07:18.36 | sephii | what's the best way to change the PATH env var only for my user? I know I could do this in my .zshrc file but I guess it will only apply to zsh sessions then |
| 07:19.38 | Diopter | sephii: What are you expecting to know an environment variable that Isn't spawned from a shell ultimately? |
| 07:20.35 | matanya | somiaj: in-target:Unexpected error:command not executed : 'debconf-apt-progress --logstderr --dlwaypoint 100 --from 600 --to 700 --apt-get -o APT::Get::List-cleanup=false -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=/tmp/filevuBdNq update' |
| 07:20.45 | sephii | Diopter: i know it will get spawned by a shell, but in that case it could also be from dash |
| 07:20.53 | matanya | -somiaj |
| 07:21.15 | muskatnuss | matanya: i cant figure it out further what should be wrong there can only again think of an dhcp misconfig - have you set static ips in graphical setup ? |
| 07:21.27 | matanya | i did |
| 07:22.00 | matanya | and I see the router recognized the client |
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| 07:22.14 | Diopter | sephii: Well, zsh can read a .profile file, which I think dash will do too. |
| 07:23.07 | sephii | Diopter: I think so too, but before trying I checked /etc/profile and it doesn't see to source ~/.profile anywhere |
| 07:23.14 | sephii | s/see/seem |
| 07:23.35 | Diopter | sephii: Probably doesn't. But login shells source /etc/profile and then ~/.profile |
| 07:23.46 | Diopter | zsh manpage talks about |
| 07:23.49 | Diopter | +it |
| 07:23.55 | matanya | lost here :( |
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| 07:24.17 | sephii | Diopter: great, thanks |
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| 07:24.47 | muskatnuss | well matanya: i think your netinstall is misconfigured |
| 07:25.25 | Diopter | matanya: Maybe you should try rebooting the netinstall, and choose to skip dhcp setup |
| 07:25.30 | muskatnuss | maybe the wget command that should fetch the data from the server is not correct it should be visible in tty4 what the command does when you select a mirror |
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| 07:25.51 | Diopter | matanya: If you pick expert mode on the boot loader, it will prompt before trying DHCP, and a bunch of other tweaking |
| 07:26.26 | muskatnuss | i think this netinstall is something outdated therefore not able to find the actual squeeze files needed |
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| 07:28.09 | matanya | ok |
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| 07:29.08 | Diopter | Bedtimes |
| 07:29.10 | Diopter | Good luck |
| 07:29.22 | matanya | thank, nighty |
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| 07:47.58 | KerrMD | Could someone point me to a doc that details how to set a set of USB speakers as my default device in alsa? I'm using openbox. I have sound from within vlc but no sound when playing flv files (ie: youtube) from within iceweasel. |
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| 07:49.22 | trysten | where can i read more about sysfs |
| 07:49.43 | trysten | for example, what values can i send to /pci/device/<device>/power/control? |
| 07:49.46 | nevyn | KerrMD: you can append index=1 to your normal soundcard but it's icky |
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| 07:50.01 | nevyn | KerrMD: better would be to configure asoundrc |
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| 07:50.47 | KerrMD | nevyn, the problem is that my sound card's toast. That is why I use the USB speakers. |
| 07:51.00 | KerrMD | nevyn, I am not familiar with configuring asoundrc |
| 07:51.07 | nevyn | KerrMD: have you disabled the soundcard in the bios? |
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| 07:51.24 | nevyn | is it really dead or just the output stage is dead and it still registers in the system |
| 07:51.36 | KerrMD | nevyn, there is no way to. This is an OLD latop with crappy bios |
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| 07:51.52 | KerrMD | Linux sees it but it does not output |
| 07:51.56 | KerrMD | as far as I know |
| 07:52.10 | KerrMD | the headphone jacks do not work, nor do the internal speakers |
| 07:52.45 | KerrMD | lspci still sees it though |
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| 07:53.46 | KerrMD | Had I the iron, meter, and solder I would track down the faulty component. |
| 07:54.17 | trysten | sysfs is stupid |
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| 08:01.02 | KerrMD | nevyn, thank you for pointing me in a helpful direction. Time to do some research. |
| 08:01.05 | KerrMD | ttfn |
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| 08:11.24 | pjc_ | morning |
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| 08:41.15 | MrNaz | http://pastebin.com/FTFTnVWj <-- Can someone tell me why I'm getting these errors and my install is failing? |
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| 08:43.34 | petemc_ | MrNaz: you're using lenny? |
| 08:43.41 | tralala | MrNaz, because you haven't updated the package lists recently? |
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| 08:45.07 | babilen | !tell MrNaz -about lenny |
| 08:45.13 | babilen | !tell MrNaz -about release notes |
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| 08:47.16 | MrNaz | ive run aptitude update just now |
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| 08:47.33 | MrNaz | and that's what happened just afterwards |
| 08:47.58 | MrNaz | i've even regenerated the source.list file and run apt update again |
| 08:48.28 | MrNaz | and yes i'm using lenny because i dont like dist-upgrading an in-place server |
| 08:48.56 | tralala | MrNaz, well lenny is unsupported anymore so perhaps the packages are gone from the repos |
| 08:49.14 | MrNaz | lenny is now unsupported? shite |
| 08:49.23 | MrNaz | that leaves me in a bit of a bind... |
| 08:49.30 | MrNaz | i cant upgrade this server for another few months |
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| 08:49.41 | MrNaz | thats when i'll be putting in a new physical machine |
| 08:49.44 | tralala | since February IIRC |
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| 08:50.40 | MrNaz | given the release cycle of debian, i'm surprised that versions go EOL within a single release cycle |
| 08:51.12 | colo-work | given how easy upgrading to a new release is, I don't :) |
| 08:51.30 | MrNaz | is upgrading an in-place server a good idea? |
| 08:52.00 | colo-work | its admin has to know that. |
| 08:52.21 | MrNaz | well... i'm the admin, and i've always just done apt-get update every few months |
| 08:52.26 | colo-work | from the debian side, it's usually really easy and quickly done. just make sure to read the release notes of the distro you're upgrading to |
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| 08:52.50 | tralala | MrNaz, I've done that a number of times without any issues. |
| 08:53.11 | MrNaz | tralala you mean updating to a new version ? |
| 08:53.17 | colo-work | some packages have a more problematic upgrade path than most of the others :) |
| 08:53.27 | tralala | MrNaz, but be sure to follow the release notes carefully. Yes, I mean upgrading. |
| 08:53.30 | MrNaz | i've never done that... i've always done OS upgrades at the same time as hardware upgrades |
| 08:53.34 | colo-work | (I remember I once broke slapd when upgrading from etch to lenny, or something like that) |
| 08:54.08 | MrNaz | well |
| 08:54.21 | tralala | MrNaz, you have to make sure that all of your critical services will still work in squeeze. |
| 08:54.40 | MrNaz | now that lenny is past EOL, am i able to upgrade to squeeze? it doesn't look like i'm going to have an option given thave i have a few more months before i'll be replacing the hardware |
| 08:54.56 | MrNaz | i dont have many... i've installed most of my stuff from source |
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| 08:55.13 | MrNaz | apache2, postgresql... that's all afaicr |
| 08:55.19 | MrNaz | i just need mysql |
| 08:55.29 | MrNaz | maybe i'll just install that from source too to sidestep this... |
| 08:55.31 | tralala | that probably spells recompile |
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| 08:55.56 | MrNaz | yea i dont want to recompile the whole box... i think i'll jsut grab a tarball of mysql |
| 08:56.56 | tralala | I wonder why you're not using slackware or gentoo if you compile your own stuff. |
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| 08:58.07 | tralala | using the disto with the largest number of packaged software only to compile available things on your own is... uhm, unusual. |
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| 09:14.08 | jimboogie | good morning/evening |
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| 09:14.42 | jimboogie | I lost my xfce panel on logout.. anyone know how I can get it back? |
| 09:14.52 | Radex | aloha, what a shitty sec. upgrade of imagemagic :S |
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| 09:15.45 | Radex | jimboogie: try rm -rf ~/.cache/xfce4 |
| 09:16.52 | jimboogie | cheers Radex, brb |
| 09:17.21 | rudi_s | Hi. From time to time I get warnings from dpkg when removing a package that some directories were not removed because they are not empty. This leaves some files on the system. Is there a way to get a list of all files in /bin, /usr, etc. which are not managed by dpkg? |
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| 09:22.12 | guardian | hello, i just installed samba on a squeeze box. do i need to do smbpasswd -a guardian with the default debian setup? |
| 09:22.17 | jimboogie | Nah didnt work, my panel is still missing |
| 09:22.37 | jimboogie | anyone know how to get it back? |
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| 09:32.48 | ChrisH | guardian: I assume you want smbpasswd -a USER ; smbpasswd -e USER |
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| 09:36.40 | guardian | i just installed samba for the first time.. I just can't connect to smb server |
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| 09:38.30 | guardian | it keeps complaining user name or password is incorrect :/ |
| 09:38.48 | ChrisH | guardian: does it run? test smbclient -N -L localhost |
| 09:39.05 | guardian | on the server itself, i don't have smbclient |
| 09:39.48 | ChrisH | guardian: install it :) |
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| 09:39.53 | guardian | from another box, doing smblient -U guardian -N -L ip |
| 09:39.59 | guardian | says anonymous login successful |
| 09:40.12 | guardian | and it prints IPC$ and print$ shares |
| 09:41.18 | ChrisH | guardian: OK. then run smbpasswd -a guardian && smbpasswd -e guardian |
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| 09:42.53 | ChrisH | retry afterwards smbclient -U guardian -L ip (no -N which means anonyoumos login and ignores the user given) |
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| 09:43.48 | guardian | ok it says NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
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| 09:48.29 | guardian | ChrisH: logs don't say much :/ apart from not being able to connect to CUPS (but I don't want cups anyways) |
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| 09:57.13 | Sbidicuda | abrotman: hi, I'm the guy with the nvidia problems, I found that xfs crashes X |
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| 09:58.22 | Sbidicuda | abrotman: if I stop xfs and xfstt and restart kdm all workes with nvidia drivers 295.40 |
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| 09:59.55 | muskatnuss | \o/ nvidia |
| 10:00.37 | dsdeiz | hi is it still possible to install lenny packages to squeeze? |
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| 10:01.44 | dsdeiz | im trying to follow this tutorial http://atom-hosting.com/blog/?p=52 though i'm not sure where that oldstable come from |
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| 10:03.43 | Woet | dsdeiz: why do you want outdated EOL packages? |
| 10:04.16 | dsdeiz | not all apps we use are compatible with 5.3 |
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| 10:04.32 | Woet | dsdeiz: why do you want outdated EOL apps that are _still_ not compatible with 5.3? |
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| 10:05.21 | dsdeiz | because they're old. can't get people to fix em yet |
| 10:05.51 | dsdeiz | so for now, instead of leaving it unfixed i might as well just downgrade to 5.2 |
| 10:05.58 | Woet | dsdeiz: so you want to compromise your entire server security because people didn't make it compatible with 5.3 released nearly 3 years ago? |
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| 10:07.25 | dsdeiz | so i guess we remove those apps and make them unavailable for anyone that wants to use them? |
| 10:07.31 | tralala | dsdeiz, you could build from source |
| 10:07.42 | Woet | dsdeiz: if you care even the slightest about security, yes |
| 10:08.23 | dsdeiz | i see thanks Woet |
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| 10:09.43 | tralala | dsdeiz, of course if you can just drop the apps you better do that |
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| 10:10.17 | Posterdati | is xfs and/or xfstt useful for running xorg? |
| 10:10.20 | sezuan | After upgrading some lennys it seems that the LANG env variable is not set anyhmore after using "dpkg-reconfigure locales". After login I have LANG=C. Setting it manually to something like de_DE.UTF-8 works. I also can't type 8bit characters without altering /etc/inputrc, which works on fresh installations. |
| 10:10.33 | colo-work | Posterdati, not these days any more, no. |
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| 10:11.07 | dsdeiz | so i guess a downgrade isn't an option right? only dropping and building from source? |
| 10:11.37 | Woet | dsdeiz: do you really don't care about your security? |
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| 10:12.26 | dsdeiz | well, i do. but if the users are just a bunch of people that don't know much about computers and if the app isn't available on the net then i guess not much |
| 10:12.40 | val_ | I am trying Ekiga to connect to another PC. Is it necessary to get an Ekiga.net SIP account for that purpose? |
| 10:12.54 | Woet | val_: how is that related to debian? |
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| 10:13.14 | fasta | Woet: because .... debian distributes it. |
| 10:13.16 | ChrisH | guardian: did you increase the loglevel? Create another user for testing |
| 10:13.31 | Woet | fasta: debian distributes PHP too and yet you don't ask PHP questions here |
| 10:13.43 | Woet | fasta: distributing packages does not mean you get support on those packages. |
| 10:13.45 | fasta | Woet: I believe a PHP question was just asked. |
| 10:13.45 | Woet | dsdeiz: I'm sure what you are saying, there is no justification for intentionally making your server insecure. |
| 10:13.55 | Woet | fasta: no, a package question was asked. |
| 10:14.03 | dsdeiz | Woet: got it. thx! |
| 10:14.22 | Woet | fasta: you can ask debian related questions regarding packages, but for specific questions how to use/configure/run those packages you contact their own IRC/mailing list. |
| 10:14.35 | fasta | Woet: if a question is being asked about one of the 200 million lines of code that Debian distributes, it is on-topic. |
| 10:14.50 | fasta | Woet: if it isn't, show me the channel guide lines which say otherwise. |
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| 10:15.19 | val_ | Woet, thanks for prompt response. I have Debian Wheezy and I think Ekiga was in the package, but maybe I am wrong. |
| 10:15.53 | fasta | Woet: yes? |
| 10:16.04 | fasta | Woet: we are waiting for your wonderful URL. |
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| 10:19.17 | nsadmin | fasta, actually that's not quite true... this is about support, not code |
| 10:19.52 | nsadmin | and if there is a question about one of those lines, all one has to do is look at it. |
| 10:19.57 | nsadmin | enough... |
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| 10:20.24 | fasta | nsadmin: you should really be more precise and have someone with some authority write up a document. |
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| 10:21.43 | nsadmin | I'm nonauthoritatively about to run: /ignore *!*@@xs8.xs4all.nl all |
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| 10:22.09 | nsadmin | as this would cause my client to reject all postings by fasta |
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| 10:22.15 | fasta | nsadmin: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines |
| 10:22.26 | fasta | nsadmin: it already exists and there is no basis for your statements. |
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| 10:25.51 | nsadmin | oh, and I made a typo, the correct syntax is /ignore *!*@xs8.xs4all.nl all |
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| 10:26.26 | fasta | nsadmin: yeah, I already noticed before you did. |
| 10:26.32 | fasta | nsadmin: I guess that was to be expected. |
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| 10:31.17 | guardian | ChrisH: it ends up with check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [guardian] -> [guardian] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD |
| 10:31.57 | tralala | guardian, maybe you need to add the domain. |
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| 10:32.23 | tralala | or type the password correctly - the one for accessing windows, not the one you use in samba |
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| 10:33.05 | tralala | the server password anyway - be it windows or samba |
| 10:33.07 | guardian | that's what I get doing smbclient -L localhost on the server box itself |
| 10:33.51 | guardian | and to troubleshoot, I temporarily set "guardian" as password for my user "guardian" both with passwd and smbpasswd |
| 10:33.58 | tralala | try -L //localhost |
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| 10:35.45 | guardian | same, logon failure :/ |
| 10:36.24 | nsadmin | guardian, can you watch the server's samba logs? |
| 10:36.58 | guardian | sure i can |
| 10:37.19 | guardian | i'm looking into /var/log/samba/log.belfegor where belfegor is the hostname |
| 10:38.33 | JimLesta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:38.41 | nsadmin | and while you're watching them (tail -f /var/log/samba/log.belfegor maybe over ssh), run the loggin attempt again and see what the logs say at that moment |
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| 10:39.30 | guardian | check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [zsolt] -> [zsolt] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD |
| 10:39.59 | nsadmin | and that's the samba server throwing that? |
| 10:40.02 | guardian | but well … password is "guardian" i can type and retype it :) if there's something i'm sure of, it's that I don't mistype it |
| 10:40.30 | guardian | yes it's what appears in /var/log/samba/log.belfegor |
| 10:41.13 | guardian | zsolt is the first user i'm testing with, it's a collaborator name. password is zsolt for user zsolt. and I added a "guardian" user with password "guardian" to troubleshoot as well |
| 10:41.19 | guardian | both give the same wrong password error |
| 10:41.22 | nsadmin | how does the samba server get the password? from /etc/shadow? |
| 10:41.34 | guardian | it's squeeze's default configuration |
| 10:41.52 | guardian | it's passdb backend = tdbsam |
| 10:42.47 | Posterdati | colo-work: may I apt-get purge them? |
| 10:42.56 | colo-work | eh? |
| 10:43.03 | colo-work | oh |
| 10:43.04 | colo-work | xfs |
| 10:43.05 | tralala | guardian, is this line from tail -f or an old log? |
| 10:43.07 | colo-work | yeah, probably. |
| 10:43.08 | nsadmin | from like years and years ago, there was this problem with samba, it couldn't work with crypt()ed passwords, so they made a smbpassword command that added the password encrypted with something (dunno what it is myself) windows understood |
| 10:43.15 | guardian | tralala: from tail -f |
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| 10:44.22 | guardian | nsadmin: but i'm not even trying from windows :) i'm logged in as "zsolt" on the samba server box through ssh, and I just type smbclient -L localhost and even there I'm getting rejected |
| 10:44.27 | colo-work | nsadmin, the problem with SMB/CIFS, afaik, is, that you never get the password in plain text on the server side. it's mangled somehow, so you can't just salt and hash that, and compare with, e. g., shadow |
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| 10:45.58 | nsadmin | colo-work, is there still that problem? |
| 10:47.01 | colo-work | nsadmin, I believe so, yes. that's why you have to have a samba-specific schema extension on your ldap server, if you want to use ldap as samba's auth backend |
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| 10:47.09 | colo-work | and you can't have samba auth against PAM |
| 10:47.32 | nsadmin | so there are some twists n turns here |
| 10:47.40 | colo-work | (I might be mistaken, but that's what I carried away from my last encounter when trying to migrate a really, really old samba setup to something more up to date) |
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| 10:55.08 | guardian | well… in a magnificent lightning of expertise, I just aptitude purge samba samba-common samba-common-bin then reboot then aptitude install samba … and now it works :/ |
| 10:55.30 | nsadmin | colo-work, so part of the idea is instead of putting the samba style passwords into a local file, you put the same password keys into ldap |
| 10:55.33 | guardian | thank you those who helped; I just hate that when I don't understand why it doesn't work, and even more when it does work but I don't know why |
| 10:55.53 | tralala | maybe it needed a restart to reload the config |
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| 10:56.07 | nsadmin | guardian, wow... magnificent? :) |
| 10:56.19 | guardian | well i did tons of samba restarts |
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| 10:56.25 | tralala | oh |
| 10:56.30 | nsadmin | seriously, cool :) glad it works |
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| 10:56.50 | guardian | nsadmin: that's just stupid, I spend 2 hours having it totally not working. then I scrapped it all and reinstalled and it works now |
| 10:57.14 | guardian | and it's not even because of a faulty smb.conf, while i was wasting my time, i let smb.conf untouched but increased the log level |
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| 10:57.28 | nsadmin | with the existing passwords? |
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| 10:58.06 | guardian | i did smbpasswd -a and smbpasswd -e again for good measure |
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| 10:58.23 | alex- | How can I kill a specified process when I know it was being start from a folder? |
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| 10:58.36 | alex- | e.g. ./home/alex/game/server |
| 10:58.42 | alex- | instead of giving the pid of it |
| 10:58.52 | guardian | i noticed when samba reinstalled it says "importing account nobody" and "importing account zsolt" (the only user that should exist on the box so far) |
| 10:59.25 | thewanderer1 | alex-: you ultimately need to give the PID to the system - other ways will simply find the process ID based on the command name and send a TERM (or KILL) signal to that PID |
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| 10:59.35 | alex- | hmm |
| 10:59.43 | alex- | but in htop you can see in which folder a process is started |
| 11:00.06 | thewanderer1 | alex-: then use htop to find that process's PID :P |
| 11:00.14 | nsadmin | which means a tool could be crafted along the lines of killall |
| 11:00.17 | babilen | alex-: Can't you just send TERM or KILL to it in htop? Or find it's PID there? |
| 11:00.22 | thewanderer1 | you could write a utility which does that, and that would need to crawl /proc |
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| 11:00.32 | babilen | pkill/pgrep might also come in handy |
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| 11:01.06 | alex- | babilen: I want to do it automaticly |
| 11:01.13 | alex- | babilen: it needs a good shutdown when I stop the server |
| 11:01.15 | alex- | instead of just kill it |
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| 11:01.40 | thewanderer1 | alex-: by default, all programs will receive a TERM before a KILL |
| 11:01.49 | alex- | ok |
| 11:02.03 | thewanderer1 | there's a gap of something like 3 seconds I think before the two |
| 11:02.05 | babilen | alex-: Does it come with an init script? If not: Write one based on /etc/init.d/skeleton and use start-stop-daemon |
| 11:02.14 | alex- | ok |
| 11:02.23 | alex- | In which folder can I see who restarted my server? |
| 11:02.24 | thewanderer1 | that would be the best way, indeed :P |
| 11:02.25 | alex- | which logfile * |
| 11:02.51 | thewanderer1 | alex-: try `last` - although "who" is always root |
| 11:03.33 | alex- | nah, it also can be the vps hoster |
| 11:04.05 | alex- | in which file do i have to look? |
| 11:04.28 | thewanderer1 | if they initiate a reboot, they'll surely do it as root anyway... |
| 11:04.50 | thewanderer1 | `last` uses wtmp, but it's a binary file, so not much of a log |
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| 11:11.49 | muskatnuss | man i cant find any clue why i should use shorewall instead of iptables ... it just fucks up what i learnt about iptables |
| 11:12.18 | thewanderer1 | nobody forces you to use one or the other :P |
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| 11:12.26 | muskatnuss | it says imprvement easier commands.. but well i cant really see the point into using shorewall ... just usefull for logging |
| 11:12.29 | muskatnuss | any intentions ? |
| 11:12.33 | colo-work | nsadmin, afaik, there's some samba code in place that updates both the shadow and NTLM/whatever password tokens in ldap and files, if configured. |
| 11:12.35 | muskatnuss | heh yur right |
| 11:12.38 | nsadmin | shorewall probably writes iptables rules |
| 11:12.42 | thewanderer1 | it does |
| 11:12.48 | nsadmin | so whether you use shorewall or not |
| 11:12.55 | nsadmin | you're using iptabes |
| 11:12.58 | thewanderer1 | what Shorewall does is define zones, that is its main advantage |
| 11:12.59 | nsadmin | l |
| 11:13.16 | thewanderer1 | so once you have lots and lots of interfaces, VLANs etc, it becomes hard to manage with iptables proper |
| 11:13.31 | muskatnuss | well i will not use it anymore in the future cause im only managing 2 interfaces |
| 11:13.44 | muskatnuss | its easy to maintain with iptables |
| 11:13.51 | thewanderer1 | so stay with it |
| 11:14.02 | muskatnuss | and i used about 2 hours now porting my iptables to shorewall ... kinda sucked |
| 11:14.06 | nsadmin | will you ever add more interfaces? |
| 11:14.07 | muskatnuss | i wil do :) |
| 11:14.10 | muskatnuss | just wanted to be sure |
| 11:14.14 | muskatnuss | nope i wont |
| 11:14.18 | thewanderer1 | I use iptables at home and shorewall at bigger deployments |
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| 11:15.00 | muskatnuss | thanks for explaining i can see the improvement if you got lots of interfaces |
| 11:15.23 | muskatnuss | its sure usefull maintaining and gettin the overview |
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| 11:15.57 | milligan | Is /usr the recommended --prefix compile flag? |
| 11:16.19 | nsadmin | np |
| 11:16.22 | nsadmin | no |
| 11:16.31 | nsadmin | not for stuff you compile yourself |
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| 11:16.53 | milligan | /usr/local then ? |
| 11:17.08 | nsadmin | that would be --prefix=/home/you/prog-inst or /usr/local is fine too |
| 11:17.23 | milligan | Cheers |
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| 11:17.42 | nsadmin | (debian packaging is not supposed to touch either place) |
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| 11:18.02 | milligan | Going to make another effort at learning C++ .. and the framework I'm trying to install puts libraries here and there with $$PREFIX as the base.. |
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| 11:21.17 | nsadmin | milligan, the better you are at C (as traditionally taught before someone decided to make c++), the better you will be at making robust classes |
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| 11:21.44 | nsadmin | milligan, there are not packages for the libs? |
| 11:21.55 | milligan | There are, but I'd like the latest versions I think |
| 11:22.16 | milligan | yeah.. the repo versions are old. Probably not maintained either. |
| 11:22.24 | nsadmin | milligan, but you're trying to -learn- tho, right? |
| 11:22.34 | alex- | I need to view the logfile where the message is in |
| 11:22.39 | alex- | which shows: the system is going down for reboot |
| 11:22.41 | milligan | yeah, so compiling and getting my environment up and running will be a nice step on the way :) |
| 11:22.41 | nsadmin | you probably want the versions that are stable |
| 11:23.00 | milligan | The version in the repo should be removed. It's ancient. :) |
| 11:23.20 | nsadmin | anyway, nuff said, you decide what version. |
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| 11:23.50 | nsadmin | next... there are some books that can help, first do you know C already? |
| 11:25.01 | taxman | is there newer standard than c99? |
| 11:25.04 | milligan | I know some C .. Nothing robust though. |
| 11:25.21 | milligan | I've coded in java mainly, with the addition of php and numerous scripting languages. |
| 11:25.24 | nsadmin | if no, get deitel and deitel primer... also, get The C Companion (great book to use alongside a primer) |
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| 11:26.20 | nsadmin | get k&r, you have enough programing exp to understand it fully (and stroustrup) |
| 11:26.25 | taxman | which is the best schoolbook about c language? |
| 11:26.38 | babilen | What about taking this discussion to #debian-offtopic |
| 11:26.40 | nsadmin | see above :P |
| 11:26.43 | taxman | lol |
| 11:27.42 | nsadmin | also, Coad and Coplien, as well as Holub's C+C++ |
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| 11:28.41 | taxman | uses c/c++ books as pillows |
| 11:28.42 | milligan | Cheers. Nice tips. |
| 11:29.03 | nsadmin | you'll never read em that way! |
| 11:29.16 | taxman | how do you know? o.o |
| 11:29.19 | taxman | hahaha |
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| 11:29.56 | ChrisH | nsadmin: Thanks for clearifing, books are for reading. I allways used them to fix desks :) |
| 11:29.57 | nsadmin | unless you literally glue your eyeballs to them... but then you can't turn the page |
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| 11:30.18 | boudiccas | libreoffice is in the backports isnt it? how do i install it please? like ...... sudo aptget backports instal l libreoffice ................... ? |
| 11:30.39 | nsadmin | that's what THe Java Programming Languate is for... |
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| 11:31.03 | milligan | I'm just hoping Johnny Mnomnic technology is around the corner, so I could just upload anything I want to know.. how sweet would that be. |
| 11:31.14 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice # my guess |
| 11:31.25 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
| 11:31.39 | thewanderer1 | also, dpkg would gladly comment on the "sudo" part there... :P |
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| 11:39.01 | MrMind | Hi. is it possible to sftp chroot a user to a folder in another users home directury? |
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| 11:39.11 | MrMind | directory* |
| 11:39.38 | MrMind | for example. I want to chroot "user1" into /home/user2/folder |
| 11:40.09 | nsadmin | if it's going to be a dir anyway, howbout /home/user1 |
| 11:40.33 | nsadmin | anyway, I think you can by editing the sshd_config on the server |
| 11:41.03 | ChrisH | MrMind: what about creating a link? |
| 11:41.13 | macomber | MrMind: nsadmin is right, check http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 11:41.53 | MrMind | that's what I already tried. but i can't find a way to chroot user1 into /home/user2/folder |
| 11:42.08 | macomber | hm, maybe permission problems |
| 11:42.17 | macomber | check sshd logs |
| 11:42.42 | ChrisH | MrMind: chroot will need libs and devs and maybe more |
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| 11:43.27 | macomber | ChrisH: no, you're thinking about ssh chrot, sftp it's like ftp |
| 11:44.09 | ChrisH | macomber: OK. I was thinking on chroot in general and that howto talks about device files. |
| 11:44.48 | MrMind | I find this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SFTP-chroot, at the bottom you can find "It's ChrootDirectory ownership problem..." |
| 11:44.55 | MrMind | I think that's the problem |
| 11:45.53 | MrMind | hm, maybe there is no workaround for this |
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| 11:51.35 | aguitel | how install xfce 4.10 in debian ? |
| 11:51.46 | macomber | aguitel: wait for it to hid sid ? |
| 11:51.52 | macomber | *hit |
| 11:51.58 | macomber | it's in experimental now afaik |
| 11:52.06 | nsadmin | hid sit? |
| 11:52.18 | macomber | :), hit sid |
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| 11:52.53 | aguitel | ok |
| 11:54.20 | macomber | 4.10~pre2 is now in exp |
| 11:54.28 | macomber | for 2 weeks |
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| 12:07.14 | raptor67782 | a question |
| 12:07.37 | raptor67782 | how to backup a folder on a CDROM 700 mb with cdrecord and without using genisoimage iso? |
| 12:07.41 | raptor67782 | (direclty) |
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| 12:09.03 | ChrisH | raptor67782: man growisofs |
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| 12:10.19 | raptor67782 | growisofs is for dvd only, no? it gave me error cuz media not ok |
| 12:10.21 | jelly-hme | raptor67782: or pipe genisoimage to wodim with appropriate options |
| 12:11.49 | raptor67782 | jelly-hme: sounds better... seems like you cannot avoid piping and mkisofs/genisoimage :( |
| 12:11.59 | raptor67782 | nothing direct |
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| 12:13.46 | muskatnuss | if its only a folder on the cdrom use dd =P |
| 12:13.46 | cybrhuman | what does the "deinstall" flag from "dpkg --get-selections" mean? |
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| 12:15.20 | jelly-hme | raptor67782: why would you want to avoid it? |
| 12:15.36 | raptor67782 | piping must be faster |
| 12:15.50 | raptor67782 | direclty for faster burning |
| 12:16.01 | raptor67782 | make an iso is long, slow, and use your hdd |
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| 12:16.22 | colo-work | you can also use packet writing and just treat the filesystem as append-only |
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| 12:16.28 | jelly-hme | that's why you make an iso and dump it to stdout |
| 12:16.56 | hyper_ch | howdy, I just got my raspberry pi and trying to install the header files. HOwever it can't find them for debian "Unable to locate package linux-headers-3.1.9" |
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| 12:18.49 | raptor67782 | look growisofs can burn directly a dvd |
| 12:19.02 | raptor67782 | so why not cdrecord (wodim) ? |
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| 12:25.00 | jelly-hme | raptor67782: cdrecord _only_ burns. mkisofs _only_ creates an iso9660 filesystem |
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| 12:25.41 | jelly-hme | they're separate tools that do their different jobs, combine them to achieve SYNERGETIC EFFECTS |
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| 12:27.31 | tralala | raptor67782, why don't you use a GUI tool? |
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| 12:29.51 | calrogman | Did somebody say something about synergy? You're hired! |
| 12:30.01 | calrogman | Dynamic team-building excercises for all! |
| 12:30.11 | N1x_ | hi guys , im trying to install maven 2 , and when i'm trying to install it from apt-get install maven2 can't find it from repositors , and can't install from src also |
| 12:30.17 | N1x_ | :-( anybody help me? |
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| 12:30.59 | calrogman | N1x_: we just call it maven |
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| 12:31.56 | nsadmin | , vewrsions maven |
| 12:32.07 | nsadmin | , versions maven |
| 12:32.08 | judd | Package: maven on i386 -- sid: 3.0.4-3; wheezy: 3.0.4-3 |
| 12:32.35 | N1x_ | maven is only supported on wheezy? |
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| 12:32.51 | nsadmin | , checkbackport maven |
| 12:33.00 | judd | Backporting package maven in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: libaether-java, libmaven-ant-tasks-java (>= 2.1.3-2), libmaven-parent-java, libmodello-maven-plugin1.4-java, libplexus-classworlds2-java (>= 2.4), libplexus-containers1.5-java (>= 1.5.5-2), libplexus-utils2-java, libsisu-ioc-java, libwagon2-java (>= 2.2-2). |
| 12:33.25 | nsadmin | looks like it would be hard to backport |
| 12:33.47 | altin | can anyone tell me how can I upgrade phpmyadmin to the latest version in debian ? |
| 12:34.24 | nsadmin | what version of debian do you run |
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| 12:35.55 | boadicea | themill: you were dead right in your saying that apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice would work, it worked like a charm, thanks |
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| 12:38.31 | altin | nsadmin, squeeze |
| 12:38.37 | altin | debian 6 |
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| 12:41.31 | nsadmin | then you want the lastest in squeeze |
| 12:41.40 | nsadmin | , versions phpmyadmin |
| 12:41.41 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on i386 -- lenny: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny9; lenny-security: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny9; squeeze: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security: 4:3.3.7-7; sid: 4:3.4.11-1; wheezy: 4:3.4.11-1 |
| 12:42.15 | nsadmin | , checkbackport phpmyadmin |
| 12:42.16 | judd | Backporting package phpmyadmin in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 12:42.51 | nsadmin | looks like you can backport to squeeze |
| 12:43.01 | altin | nsadmin, how can I update it ? |
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| 12:43.47 | nsadmin | altin, you would backport |
| 12:43.58 | nsadmin | to what version? |
| 12:44.10 | altin | I have 3,3 |
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| 12:44.14 | altin | the latest is 3.5 |
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| 12:44.49 | nsadmin | originally... |
| 12:45.00 | nsadmin | you asked for the latest one -in debian- |
| 12:45.14 | altin | the latest one in debian seems to be 3.3 |
| 12:45.29 | altin | but the latest one in their website is 3.5 |
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| 12:45.46 | altin | it means that it is still not compatible with debian or what |
| 12:45.48 | nsadmin | actually 3.4.11 |
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| 12:45.59 | jelly-hme | altin: that's correct. However, Debian makes sure the one in squeeze is kept free of security issues. |
| 12:46.10 | abrotman | FSVO free |
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| 12:46.50 | altin | jelly-hme you suggest I leave it as it is ? |
| 12:47.02 | altin | I just like the new versions look |
| 12:47.09 | nsadmin | why not leave it as it is? |
| 12:47.10 | altin | thats what making me to change it |
| 12:47.31 | nsadmin | something is making you change it? |
| 12:47.36 | altin | And I also would like to know how can I do that |
| 12:47.42 | jelly-hme | altin: if it works, yes. |
| 12:47.46 | altin | yes the new look... |
| 12:47.51 | altin | jelly-hme |
| 12:48.01 | altin | I tried geting the tar.gz from their site |
| 12:48.18 | altin | and just replacing it with the existing folder in my /user/share/ |
| 12:48.23 | altin | but that gave me bugs |
| 12:48.25 | altin | for sure |
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| 12:48.35 | jelly-hme | of course, if you want to track security and other issues manually, and always use the latest from upstream, noone is stopping you |
| 12:49.20 | altin | ok, I see... |
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| 12:53.16 | kakashi_ | hi, can someone please help me, I cannot listen to anything on my debian system |
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| 12:53.57 | qwd | kakashi_: has it ever worked? try opening alsamixer in terminal and see if anything's muted by pressing the m key and muting/unmuting stuff |
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| 12:56.37 | jelly-hme | kakashi_: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:56.43 | kakashi_ | uh! |
| 12:56.44 | kakashi_ | works |
| 12:56.51 | kakashi_ | thanks qed and jelly-hme |
| 12:57.06 | kakashi_ | why are things muted :( |
| 12:57.34 | qwd | Kaskoo: no problem, one time I had trouble with sound and in the end i noticed the headphones weren't plugged in :) |
| 12:57.50 | kakashi_ | hmm |
| 12:58.02 | kakashi_ | well, the thing in alsamixer is everything is muted |
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| 12:58.19 | N1x_ | guys please see http://pastie.org/3858896 |
| 12:58.28 | N1x_ | why is this happening |
| 12:59.49 | Night_Elf | N1x_: Maybe it is in a repository that you still don't have in the /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 12:59.56 | qwd | After editing fstab and crypttab manually I get sent to BusyBox when booting. How can i edit these from busybox to make it right again? |
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| 13:00.19 | skorzen | N1x_, did you aptitude update first? |
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| 13:01.46 | N1x_ | skorzen: yes i do |
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| 13:06.35 | Night_Elf | N1x_: and what does this tell you? apt-cache search maven2 |
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| 13:06.54 | fooobar | can i get in trouble if i remove the list user? |
| 13:07.06 | fooobar | i don't need him, so i can kick him off, right? |
| 13:07.20 | nsadmin | list user? |
| 13:08.07 | nsadmin | oh, the mailing list manager |
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| 13:08.26 | fooobar | nsadmin: yep, i just got this default image on the vps |
| 13:08.36 | fooobar | and there are much more users by default than it should |
| 13:09.21 | fooobar | debian don't need the list user for something right ;) Ok, you need it for mailing lists, but i don't want some and have some |
| 13:09.53 | nsadmin | well apparantly you're saying you don't have any lists |
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| 13:11.18 | N1x_ | Night_Elf: nothing... clear |
| 13:12.37 | babilen | ,v maven2 |
| 13:12.38 | judd | Package: maven2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-2; squeeze: 2.2.1-5; sid: 2.2.1-10; wheezy: 2.2.1-10; experimental: 2.2.1-11 |
| 13:12.48 | jhutchins_wk | fooobar: Here's an idea: assume it works as configured and only remove things when you know for sure what they are. |
| 13:12.56 | guardian | hmm I used to add local users to the group 'users' and use "valid users = @users" in smb.conf. is it good/bad practice? or shoud I use the 'sambashare' group? I noticed debian's samba adds a 'sambashare' group |
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| 13:13.03 | babilen | N1x_: You should be able to install ^^^ -- Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy maven2" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:13.38 | jhutchins_wk | guardian: If you control which users get added, why do you need an additonal control of them being in a group? |
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| 13:17.45 | guardian | jhutchins_wk: exactly :) thanks for the question indeed I don't need it |
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| 13:21.38 | fooobar | jhutchins_wk: whats the sense of the user then? |
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| 13:22.23 | nsadmin | it was probably added in base-files by what I like to call debian developer error |
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| 13:23.41 | nsadmin | it won't have any effect outside of the debian packaging to remove it, it could possibly get confused if base-files is upgraded on that machine |
| 13:24.43 | nsadmin | if as root you would take a look at the /etc/shadow entry for list, you might find that list is disabled, maybe by having an x in the passwd field |
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| 13:26.13 | _ramok | hi |
| 13:26.19 | _ramok | how can i change the locale of my server? |
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| 13:27.43 | thewanderer1 | _ramok: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:28.34 | _ramok | thewanderer1: i've set all to en_EN UTF-8 but it's still showing de_DE |
| 13:28.42 | _ramok | when i type locale in the console |
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| 13:29.25 | thewanderer1 | _ramok: because processes set their locale at start time. you need to log out and log in for it to take effect. |
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| 13:30.30 | zW | Hi. I'm running debian with isc dhcp |
| 13:30.36 | zW | i have this in my config option-160 "tftp://192.168.11.100"; |
| 13:30.37 | _ramok | thewanderer1: okay, i did it.... but the LANGUAGE variable is empty |
| 13:30.41 | zW | ir refuses that option |
| 13:30.42 | _ramok | it just says LANGEUAGE= |
| 13:30.47 | zW | with "need a semicolon' |
| 13:30.48 | zW | any ideas ? |
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| 13:31.04 | thewanderer1 | _ramok: use LANG |
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| 13:31.29 | _ramok | thewanderer1: pardon? |
| 13:31.46 | thewanderer1 | _ramok: the variable name is $LANG, not $LANGUAGE |
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| 13:32.34 | _ramok | thewanderer1: i have both |
| 13:32.35 | fooobar | nsadmin: i removed him and can't receive mails anymore |
| 13:32.36 | _ramok | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 13:32.36 | _ramok | LANGUAGE= |
| 13:32.41 | fooobar | wtf.. |
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| 13:33.29 | thewanderer1 | _ramok: simply do not rely on LANGUAGE, it shouldn't even exist |
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| 13:34.55 | onosendai | D4rKr0W: sei una puttanella |
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| 13:35.15 | movl | !ops onosendai |
| 13:35.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: movl complains about: onosendai |
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| 13:35.59 | _ramok | okay |
| 13:36.07 | D4rKr0W | !ops onosendai |
| 13:36.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: d4rkr0w complains about: onosendai |
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| 13:38.08 | babilen | onosendai: Please refrain from insulting users in this channel. You have been silenced for now and can /msg me if you want to discuss this. |
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| 13:39.44 | CruX| | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_ivybridge_winlin |
| 13:39.57 | CruX| | hmm linux video drivers still sux |
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| 13:42.11 | Night_Elf | CruX|: Everything sux if you don't develop for it. |
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| 13:43.19 | CruX| | Night_Elf: intel drivers are opensource / opensource maintained by intel or proprietary ? |
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| 13:45.03 | babilen | CruX|: The former (xserver-xorg-video-intel that is) |
| 13:45.09 | Night_Elf | CruX|: They can be maintained by intel as well. The point is, if intel itself will prioritise windows drivers and will not keep them and the features they provide in sync, the linux drivers will always be worse. Having a driver by intel for linux, is no promise that the quality of it is the same as for windows. |
| 13:45.20 | calrogman | The Intel ones are open sauce. |
| 13:45.23 | Rumo | I'm a beginner to debian. I installed maven but dont know which version and the command maven is not found - what can I do? |
| 13:46.04 | calrogman | Rumo: dpkg-query -L maven |
| 13:46.07 | CruX| | Night_Elf: hmm and do you think that situation will be better with wayland ? |
| 13:46.11 | babilen | Rumo: You are looking for "mvn" not "maven" AFAIK |
| 13:46.48 | Rumo | calrogman: what does this do? |
| 13:47.02 | calrogman | Rumo: It lists the files isntalled on your system by the maven package. |
| 13:47.04 | Night_Elf | CruX|: I can not speculate. When it comes to drivers, it's always the same issue, regardless of platform or name of environment. |
| 13:47.09 | Rumo | babilen: I also tryed mvn but nothing happend |
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| 13:47.50 | calrogman | CruX|: The Intel drivers won't improve much, if at all. The proprietary drivers, catalyst and nvidia don't support KMS though. Wayland requires it. |
| 13:48.03 | calrogman | CruX|: So, with any luck, NVidia and AMD will modernise their drivers. |
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| 13:49.15 | babilen | Rumo: Could you paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nmaven", "dpkg -L maven2" and "ls -l /usr/bin/mvn" along with "hash -r ; which mvn ; mvn -v" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:49.16 | calrogman | Rumo: You're probably looking for a file in /usr/bin/ |
| 13:49.36 | Rumo | calrogman: oh there is no maven installed -> maybe I installed libmaven with aptitude and not maven...??? |
| 13:50.08 | calrogman | Rumo: Maybe dpkg-query -L maven2 |
| 13:50.50 | babilen | Rumo: Which maven package did you install? You want maven2 fwiw -- Use 'apt-file search -x "bin/mvn$"' to list all packages that contain a "bin/mvn" file. (See "/msg dpkg apt-file" for further details on apt-file) |
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| 13:51.48 | babilen | Rumo: But please paste the output of that commands I mentioned earlier. Make sure that the "maven2" package is installed and all should be good. Throw in your /etc/apt/sources.list and output of "apt-cache policy" if you can't install the maven2 package. |
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| 13:54.49 | calrogman | babilen: I fear we might have given him too much help and overwhelmed him. |
| 13:55.00 | babilen | That might be |
| 13:55.05 | babilen | unhelps Rumo |
| 13:55.25 | babilen | Rumo: Essentially: Just run: "apt-get install maven2 ; mvn -v" and it should work. If not: See above |
| 13:55.40 | calrogman | # aptitude purge help |
| 13:55.45 | nsadmin | reduces the stack of documentation available on thw whole internet by one page |
| 13:55.51 | Rumo | OK I'LL try |
| 13:56.14 | Rumo | I'm not as fast as you and it takes a while... |
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| 13:56.22 | calrogman | nsadmin: Cheers, I didn't need that table of suitable VGA settings for LILO anyway. |
| 13:56.32 | calrogman | Rumo: no worries :-) |
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| 13:56.40 | Rumo | (I'm working at two computers) |
| 13:57.02 | babilen | Rumo: Two computers should be twice as fast! ;) |
| 13:57.17 | nsadmin | in soviet russia, two computers are working at YOU! |
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| 13:57.20 | calrogman | (So am I. It's probably fairly common for Debianers to use SSH and screen/tmux to use several computers at once.) |
| 13:57.29 | Rumo | babilen: lol |
| 13:57.34 | calrogman | (Sorry, *Debianites*) |
| 13:57.39 | babilen | *phew* |
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| 13:58.26 | Rumo | by the way at a special project there stands: install maven 3+ does this exists already? |
| 13:58.44 | calrogman | Rumo: That's in the maven package, IIRC. |
| 13:58.55 | babilen | It is |
| 13:58.59 | babilen | ,v maven |
| 13:59.00 | judd | Package: maven on i386 -- sid: 3.0.4-3; wheezy: 3.0.4-3 |
| 13:59.19 | nsadmin | special project? special project?! my precious... |
| 13:59.33 | calrogman | Dirty Hobbitses... |
| 13:59.39 | babilen | Rumo: That version is, however, not in squeeze (i.e. Debian stable) but in one of the development branches. It is pretty hard to install it on squeeze as well, so you have to live with 2.? for now. |
| 13:59.44 | jair | hello guys before I reboot my 64bit IBM laptop, I wanted to check with you for tips I can put in practice to avoid the reboot. I use squeeze on a 64bit laptop, I have gnome and run firefox and chrome with flash pluings. Once in a while the system freezes and I have to drop to the CLM mode and wonder if there is something I can restart so I don't loose other apps running like vmware workstation instances, video vlc things like tha |
| 13:59.47 | nsadmin | we hates em forever! |
| 13:59.55 | Rumo | its a project from git -> grambers (scala lang) |
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| 14:00.22 | jair | Velmont: ok can you try again?he whole session and make the system log in back again, will also kill the vms running on the laptop |
| 14:00.37 | Rumo | but there stands maven 3+ does it work with 2 ?? |
| 14:00.43 | nsadmin | Rumo, hmm. maybe you can get that version from git |
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| 14:01.05 | babilen | Rumo: I have no idea -- It might not work with maven2 |
| 14:01.25 | jair | together with a grey boxhe gnome ui but still frozen |
| 14:01.32 | Rumo | ok i try to get it (maven 3+) from git |
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| 14:02.06 | jair | everything got frozen while watching a video in youtube... I can't wait until youtube go completely html5 :( |
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| 14:02.42 | Night_Elf | jair: 'everything' as in the complete X session ? |
| 14:02.50 | jair | so at the moment I can go to the tty0 and run commands also access individual virtual machines running on the laptop but not the gnome ui |
| 14:03.17 | jair | Night_Elf: yes I can not get X back I see it trying to but it is frozen |
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| 14:03.19 | Rumo | IRC is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so many people are willing to help - thank you all -> if i was a maven I would help others - but fisrt i have to learn.... |
| 14:03.32 | Knaldgas | Strange...: I have an ntpdate in both /usr/sbin/ and /usr/local/sbin/, "which ntpdate" returns /usr/local/sbin/ntpdate, but when I call ntpdate, it seems to still call the one in "/usr/sbin/". |
| 14:03.45 | calrogman | jair: Try restarting the gdm service. |
| 14:03.45 | jair | +1 Rumo :) |
| 14:03.46 | babilen | Rumo: Err, no. You definitely don't want maven3 from git -- You *might* be able to use a binary thingie from http://maven.apache.org/download.html but check with #maven as well. |
| 14:03.57 | calrogman | Knaldgas: One of those is probably a wrapper script. |
| 14:04.07 | Knaldgas | It is, I made it myself |
| 14:04.11 | jair | calrogman: if I do that I think I will be prompt to log in again and the vmware-vmx sessions will be killed |
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| 14:04.39 | Knaldgas | calrogman: But shouldn't shell use the same instance returned by which? |
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| 14:05.12 | Night_Elf | jair: It has happened to me before that flash pugins slowly eat in their way into the entire x session. So you might want to test that, live as long as you can without flash oriented stuff and see if your X session still keeps on crashing. |
| 14:05.17 | jair | at the moment everything is running fine except the Xorg and gnome ui. |
| 14:05.25 | Rumo | babilen: ok I'l try... |
| 14:05.39 | babilen | Rumo: I would follow the instructions on the maven download page and just install it to /usr/local -- You can use a tools called "stow" to ease handling of "installations" to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 14:06.11 | jair | Night_Elf: alright I guess there is not other way than restarting gdm |
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| 14:06.28 | babilen | Rumo: I have *no idea* how that behaves with the system maven though. How important is this project for you? |
| 14:06.47 | Rumo | babilen: I heard about installations to /usr/local but now I do this the first time |
| 14:06.49 | Night_Elf | jair: To what I know, you can start the vm-s from the command line, headless mode. So they are not dependent on an X session. |
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| 14:07.15 | jair | Night_Elf: I see, I will try that :) |
| 14:07.15 | D4rKr0W | anyone has a good grub-install tutorial that covers general use? |
| 14:07.25 | Night_Elf | jair: At least that's how I start my virtualbox vm-s. And then reach them via the virtualbox 'embeded' vnc |
| 14:07.27 | babilen | Rumo: How important is grambers for you? |
| 14:07.33 | Rumo | babilen: its not that important I just want to learn with an existing scala-lang project |
| 14:07.37 | jair | Night_Elf: so in the future if something happen I can still have them running awesome tip |
| 14:08.01 | calrogman | D4rKr0W: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
| 14:08.19 | Night_Elf | jair: Yes. I start them in boot time with a small script in /etc/rc.local no need even to login |
| 14:08.31 | jair | Night_Elf: I am sure there is a way to do that and whenever the X screen crash again I can restart gdm without killing the vms |
| 14:08.45 | Rumo | babilen: so if its hard to install maven 3+ -> its better when I take an other project |
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| 14:08.49 | D4rKr0W | thanks calrogman |
| 14:08.53 | jair | Night_Elf: alright I am using vmware workstation but will research about it |
| 14:09.01 | jair | Night_Elf: thank you so much that is a good tip |
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| 14:09.04 | calrogman | jair: There is. You could not run your virtual machines under X. |
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| 14:09.08 | b52 | what packages do i need for the intel dh67bl boards internal nic? |
| 14:09.14 | jair | calrogman: right |
| 14:09.23 | Night_Elf | jair: I think if you start them within the gnome session, they will be killed. But I need some info myself about vmware. I do what I said above with virtualbox. |
| 14:09.58 | jair | yes all the vms are dead now |
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| 14:10.27 | jair | I will check for the commands in vmware to start them |
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| 14:11.53 | tharkun | Gentlemen good $TIME, I'm having some connection problems how can i check where the problem is located? The connection isue is rather intermitent so the usual mtr and traceroute are not of much help at the momment. Any ideas? |
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| 14:12.17 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: Wiggle the wires? |
| 14:12.32 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: C'mon, you know we need more details than that. |
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| 14:14.58 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: Here it is all i've got. An irc client connected on the server for monitoring purposes gets disconnected quite frequently on major networks. And some users have tried to connect to the server and reported not beeing able to do it. The time stamps of both are consistent. |
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| 14:15.19 | a_gn | anyone using thinkpad x220 ? |
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| 14:16.21 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: What kind of connection? You say there's a server - is this a hosted server? A VM? There are didicated connection monitoring tools like smokeping you can use. |
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| 14:18.06 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: It is an enterprise grade connection from a new ISP and the machine is a dedicated HP DL380 and i can do as i please on the machine. Totaly under my control. |
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| 14:18.42 | calrogman | tharkun: "Enterprise grade" is a load of dynamic, synergestic mumbo-jumbo. |
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| 14:19.15 | Night_Elf | jair: I think there should be a command, vmrun. Which can be used for what you need, something like: vmrun start /path/of/file.vmx nogui |
| 14:19.27 | Night_Elf | jair: or something similar, I can't be sure |
| 14:19.36 | tharkun | calrogman: yea, but that is what i have. At home I've got a far more stable connection for a fraction of the cost. What else can i tell you :( |
| 14:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: First thing to do is to notify the provider then. |
| 14:19.44 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: done |
| 14:19.51 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: Next is to set up a monitor/logging program. |
| 14:20.02 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: any suggestions? |
| 14:20.06 | jair | Night_Elf: thanks so much I got it and it is exactly like you are describing here :) |
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| 14:20.32 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: Sounds like a bad card, bad switch port, or bad cable connection. (Could be as simple as a cable not fully seated.) |
| 14:20.43 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: smokeping, or whatever you like from google. |
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| 14:20.50 | Night_Elf | jair: no worries. I learn this way too. :() |
| 14:20.51 | Night_Elf | :) |
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| 14:21.31 | thewanderer1 | a_gn: ThinkPad X220 Tablet, works just fine for me |
| 14:21.46 | a_gn | everything works for me too |
| 14:21.57 | a_gn | except the terminal font |
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| 14:22.02 | a_gn | what font do you use ? |
| 14:22.12 | a_gn | I used to use terminus with my R51 |
| 14:22.29 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: Last night I checked all cables at the site. Everything seemed ok. No disconnections ocurred while i pulled the cables (/me is sometimes rough on HW) |
| 14:22.30 | a_gn | terminus 14pt looks big |
| 14:22.32 | thewanderer1 | I stayed with the default, no UTF-8 but I can live with it while in tty's |
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| 14:22.44 | thewanderer1 | and I am still not sure what the laptop make and model has to do with it :P |
| 14:22.53 | a_gn | the resolution |
| 14:22.57 | jair | Night_Elf: perfect looks like the three vms are running and I can access them via ssh |
| 14:23.01 | a_gn | 16:9 |
| 14:23.15 | a_gn | not sure if anybody else makes this resolution |
| 14:23.33 | jair | Night_Elf: now if the gui craches again my vms continue running, specially since one of my vms is the dns server of my home/office network :P |
| 14:24.03 | thewanderer1 | Terminus 8x14 looks ok here |
| 14:24.07 | Night_Elf | jair: I would see what happens if you logout completely from the terminal and session that you launched them. Do they still keep on running? And then, how can you reach them? And so on... there are still steps to clarify. |
| 14:24.08 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: http:/www.slac.stanford.edu/xirg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html |
| 14:24.20 | intore | hi, am using parted to resize the secondary hd - sdb. it has two partitions, sdb1 and sdb2 but by default it wants the partitions number of sda but i want resize sdb. could you help me please? |
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| 14:24.54 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: 404 |
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| 14:25.18 | tharkun | I've found mon and icinga are they good for what i need? |
| 14:25.33 | Knaldgas | Ahh, BASH uses a hash for recently used commands... |
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| 14:27.31 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: xorg instead of xirg |
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| 14:27.50 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: done |
| 14:27.52 | tharkun | thx |
| 14:28.23 | intore | in this paste you can see my partitions. i want resize sdb1 and sdb2 but writing resize 1 "start" "end" it understands 1 and 2 of sda. i wrote also /dev/sdb1 but it needs the partition number. ideas? |
| 14:28.34 | intore | am sorry, the paste: http://pastebin.com/21urzkNh |
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| 14:30.20 | jair | Night_Elf: let me do that test right now |
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| 14:30.44 | jair | Night_Elf: I will let you know if they get killed after restarting or loging out from gdm |
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| 14:33.58 | Night_Elf | jair: also, try as well to stop and start gdm from a different (like, alt-f2) terminal. They should still be there. But just to be sure. |
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| 14:38.47 | sifu6699 | hello! plz can u help me install a 3.x kernel image on squeeze from backports |
| 14:39.15 | babilen | !tell sifu6699 -about bdo kernel |
| 14:39.24 | babilen | sifu6699: What exactly do you have a problem with? |
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| 14:40.23 | sifu6699 | babilen: with my integrated graphics card it freezes the pc with the current squeeze kernel |
| 14:41.00 | babilen | sifu6699: No, I was talking about problems while installing a kernel from bdo :) |
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| 14:41.16 | sifu6699 | babilen: lspci -nn gives:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01) |
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| 14:42.13 | sifu6699 | babilen: it seems they haven't yet fixed the bug with the intel driver as it's still tagged unstable |
| 14:42.16 | babilen | sifu6699: I would install a newer kernel and Xorg from http://backports.debian.org -- See "/msg dpkg bdo" "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" |
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| 14:43.11 | babilen | sifu6699: You've lost me. Could you please tell me what exactly you need help with? What happens if you install a kernel from bdo? Which bug are you referring to? |
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| 14:45.48 | D4rKr0W | i have a debian system which i recently configured to use a mdadm raid 1 array for the system disk, but grub is not finding the /boot/ partition anymore |
| 14:46.40 | jair | Night_Elf: sorry I was discussing with some people at #vmware |
| 14:46.51 | jair | Night_Elf: I am back let's run some testing |
| 14:46.52 | D4rKr0W | is there something in particular i should look for in the grub config? |
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| 14:47.18 | Night_Elf | jair: take your time no promlem. |
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| 14:48.02 | jair | Night_Elf: alright right now I will access one of the vms with ssh and restart gdm, also log out |
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| 14:50.44 | Night_Elf | D4rKr0W: I am not sure, but I doubt you could have a /boot partition as part of that md raid 1 array. I once did that by having the /boot installed on a non md partition, rather on the bare disk. And I had also an exact partition on the other disk too, and I reinstalled grub and all there as well. Basically, I did two identical /boot and was using one of them. |
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| 14:52.29 | D4rKr0W | Night_Elf: http://pve.proxmox.com/pipermail/pve-user/2011-May/002127.html point #9 |
| 14:52.36 | D4rKr0W | that's how i set it up |
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| 14:55.39 | jair | Night_Elf: so I restart gdm remotely and did not affected the vms |
| 14:56.03 | jair | Night_Elf: I will try now from a different tty locally in the debian system |
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| 14:57.19 | Night_Elf | D4rKr0W: From what I see there it says it should work. But in the past, grub has refused to be installed on a /boot which was md-ed. Ot maybe you need to install grub (just the grub install step) on both the physical disks that compose the md device. |
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| 14:58.02 | Night_Elf | D4rKr0W: the above was for what I was then trying to do. Of course, I also could be doing something wrong. |
| 14:58.04 | jair | Night_Elf: tried from the local tty2 restart gdm and the vms continue running :) |
| 14:58.26 | Night_Elf | jair: so now all that remains for you is to start those vm-s up when your system start. |
| 14:58.30 | jair | Night_Elf: here is now the real test what will happen if I log out the gnome session? |
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| 14:58.48 | Night_Elf | jair: yea try that too. |
| 14:59.00 | jair | Night_Elf: I will need to create an script for init.d correct? |
| 14:59.08 | jair | Night_Elf: let me try the log out |
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| 15:00.23 | D4rKr0W | Night_Elf: i manually used grub-install /dev/sda && grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 15:00.50 | jair | Night_Elf: success! |
| 15:01.12 | Night_Elf | jair: I would be surprised otherwise :) |
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| 15:01.38 | Night_Elf | D4rKr0W: And it doesn't work, right ? |
| 15:02.10 | jair | Night_Elf: perfect, so if I want to start all the vms in the futurel, do you recommend me create the script on init.local? or where? |
| 15:02.20 | D4rKr0W | Night_Elf: i'm trying to chroot atm, so no |
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| 15:03.11 | jair | Night_Elf: I will need to read docs and research to how I will create the script, I am not too experienced using bash scripts for automation but I have some understanding on how the services start. like the init scripts. |
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| 15:03.33 | guardian | hey that samba server I'm setting up. 90% of the time users will read only. but occasionally some of them have to add new files or move fiels around. should I create a new group for that, or just let them log as root in samba? |
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| 15:03.44 | jair | Night_Elf: so just a recommendation will be great, I will take it from there |
| 15:04.09 | Night_Elf | jair: on /etc/rc.local you can do that quite simply. You could in the future create a /etc/init.d/myvirtualmachines which is compliant and standard to the rest of what you have there and will handle runlevel changes for example by shuting down and starting up the vm-s. |
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| 15:05.00 | Night_Elf | jair: but for the simple case, you best create a crontab entry for the user that starts the vm-s |
| 15:05.02 | jair | Night_Elf: awesome, I will work on that and see what I get during the weekend :) Thanks so much for the help |
| 15:05.14 | Night_Elf | jair: by crontab -e |
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| 15:05.41 | jair | so I can use either crontab -e or /etc/rc.local script :) |
| 15:06.17 | Night_Elf | jair: and then adding there a line like: @boot /path/of/vmrun --parameter-here-if-needed /path/of/file.vmx nogui |
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| 15:07.04 | Argafal | i am looking for a resource to get a recent eclipse for a squeeze installation. squeeze-backports does not seem to offer anything for that purpose. |
| 15:07.35 | jair | Night_Elf: awesome. Thank you again! |
| 15:07.55 | Night_Elf | jair: You might need to experiment with any variables that could be needed. For example, I start a vncserver that way on boot, by using: @boot USER=username /usr/bin/tightvncserver :1 |
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| 15:08.35 | Night_Elf | jair: but you will find that out by experimenting. Different applications will need different stuff. |
| 15:09.11 | jair | Night_Elf: I will do research and also check the vmware documentation |
| 15:09.25 | jair | Night_Elf: I am sure there is a command line interface manual |
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| 15:10.23 | Night_Elf | D4rKr0W: chroot. Mmmm. You might need to mount --bind /dev /chrootpoint/dev before you chroot |
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| 15:10.56 | Night_Elf | jair: yap. It's best to spend some time now and save tons for later |
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| 15:12.55 | jair | Night_Elf: thank you my friend I am really glad there is people like this in #debian always very experienced and helpful. Have a good one |
| 15:13.25 | Night_Elf | jair: you're welcome, no worries. |
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| 15:21.10 | Burps | Hi : I have to deal with an old box , with etch : I have archive.debian.org in my sources.list, but when I want to install mysql-server, it asks for some squeeze packages : WTF ? |
| 15:22.38 | Night_Elf | burn: maybe because your lines in /etc/apt/sources.list contain "stable" as the word for release, instead of "etch". |
| 15:23.31 | Night_Elf | oopps, that was for Burps and not burn |
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| 15:25.36 | D4rKr0W | Night_Elf: turns out i rebooted without waiting for the resyinc, i'm gonna sync it now and see if i'm lucky |
| 15:26.18 | Burps | Night_Elf, right : forgot to get rid of the volatile and security lines... thanks |
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| 15:27.54 | mordy_ | hello folks. i have a very specific question and a more generic problem. my debian system has accumulated so much cruft over the years and it's finally broken down (or so it seems).. i use it as a workstation and such.. |
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| 15:29.40 | somiaj | mordy_: what do you mean by cruft? Are you using things other than apt/dpkg to install/remove software |
| 15:29.59 | somiaj | mordy_: apt/dpkg is really good at keeping things clean. I'm stlling running the same sid install from 2006 with no cruft built up. |
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| 15:30.37 | mordy_ | and i recently got an ATI card which was behaving quite decently with a 3 monitor setup under xfce with the free radeon drivers.. i decided to try and get a newer shiner desktop, and the rest is history.. apt get dist upgrade started doing some really weird stuff to my system and now most of my desktop components are a giant mess |
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| 15:31.12 | mordy_ | somiaj: i have a crapload of stuff installed here.. i used to have a ton of things installed to /usr/local, quite a few packages built from source (via apt-src), i'm sure i've done my share of stupid things as well |
| 15:31.36 | mordy_ | and i generally follow the pattern of moving to the 'about-to-freeze' testing release |
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| 15:32.18 | mordy_ | but specifically i wanted to know if anyone has such an exotic setup under debian, and if they are experiencing any issues etc. |
| 15:32.22 | somiaj | well I compile my own packages, build my own source. Have you ever mixed debian releases? |
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| 15:32.56 | mordy_ | somiaj: i've made custom installations and distributions, mainly for embedded-ish use |
| 15:33.05 | somiaj | you never really say what is going on, what weird stuff happened with dist-upgrade. What unoffical things do you have in your sources.list |
| 15:33.10 | somiaj | do you pinn or mix debian releaes |
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| 15:33.36 | mordy_ | ahh i see what you mean |
| 15:33.45 | mordy_ | well for example... |
| 15:34.14 | mordy_ | there was a period of time where i was actually built X from ubuntu's source because of some patches they had there |
| 15:34.18 | somiaj | if you say mix a testing package with stable, or add unoffical sources that will add cruft to your system. It is always better to build packages built against the system you have then just add sources for random binaries |
| 15:34.34 | mordy_ | oh, i don't do random binaries really |
| 15:34.43 | somiaj | well as long as you built a deb against the libs on your system you shouldn't be to bad, but if it isn't working, a fresh install and copying over configs/data form your old install may be best |
| 15:35.03 | somiaj | x is big, so I could see dependency and naming diffrences between ubuntu and debian confusing apt-get |
| 15:35.07 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: Although the answer to my previous question was not on the link you provided. (Most where overkill for the situation) It did opened my eyes to answer several other isues present at work. Thanks a lot for your time and the right "Eye Opener" |
| 15:35.37 | mordy_ | somiaj: aye, i did run into those issues |
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| 15:35.42 | somiaj | mordy_: anyways I have to go, but the bigest issues you have to worry about is the debs on the binary packages. If you build them yourself you know it depends on libs on your system. But ubuntu does name things differently. |
| 15:36.13 | somiaj | mordy_: I would suggest a reinstall. And in the future if you decided to use ubuntu x patches and the likes, I would jsut try to apply the patches to debian's source (mainly so you get the same package naming/splitup/dependencys) |
| 15:36.47 | mordy_ | oh i doubt i'll have time to wade though X src any time soon :) |
| 15:36.55 | somiaj | or copy over the debian/ dir from debian so you are building X according to how debian has decided to split up the binary packages |
| 15:37.16 | somiaj | anyways I'm outta here, (: |
| 15:37.29 | mordy_ | later |
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| 15:38.14 | karlpinc | mordy_: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 15:48.32 | luky | after formatting my harddrive message in red: HardDrive is locked 5 trys left in red |
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| 15:50.29 | Night_Elf | luky: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/271154-14-unlock-seagate-barracuda-hard-disk |
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| 15:53.50 | luky | or something from hirens boot cd? |
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| 16:02.30 | WormFood | I could have sworn that "man gcc" worked in the past, but now it does not. Did I miss a package, or did they rename that man page or something? (of course there is always the info page, or was that intended to replace the man page?) |
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| 16:11.26 | Night_Elf | WormFood: gcc-doc, or gcc-4.3-doc or gcc-4.4-doc |
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| 16:16.28 | darkelfjuggalo | What Multi-Clients for instant messenger and IRC is Recommended? I use Pidgin, but despite the file transfer option is available, it always fails claiming the other person canceled it, there is no webcam feature[though the option is available greyed out] and is over all as unreliable as windows messenger[pre-installed] |
| 16:17.03 | netstar | kopete is okay |
| 16:17.11 | netstar | empathy |
| 16:17.15 | netstar | centerim |
| 16:17.30 | netstar | that's all i remember |
| 16:17.42 | netstar | xchat for IRC or irssi |
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| 16:23.03 | digdilem | for gui, i use xchat. for cli, irssi |
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| 16:23.54 | WormFood | Night_Elf, I don't see anything "doc" when I search for gcc with aptitude. |
| 16:24.00 | ben1 | weechat is nice |
| 16:24.18 | WormFood | I actually did that before I asked here, but I did it again, without grepping for "doc" to make sure it wasn't listed under something else...and I don't see it. |
| 16:24.30 | Night_Elf | WormFood: apt-cache search gcc | grep doc |
| 16:24.44 | WormFood | Night_Elf, I just said I already did that and found nothing |
| 16:25.01 | WormFood | er, not with apt-cache, but with aptitude |
| 16:25.04 | WormFood | let me try |
| 16:25.08 | Night_Elf | WormFood: well, for me it displays like 6 lines |
| 16:25.26 | WormFood | am I missing a repo or something? |
| 16:25.42 | WormFood | for me, it displays 2 lines, and neither of them are gcc docs |
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| 16:26.15 | Night_Elf | WormFood: apt-cache policy gcc-4.3-doc for me gives a line that says: 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/non-free i386 Packages |
| 16:26.53 | darkelfjuggalo | I have tried Empathy... it only have JAbber[i dont use] facebook[it wont connect to my account] and Gtalk[none of my contacts for my Gmail are other Gmail acounts so don't use] where can I try Kopete or centerim? |
| 16:27.09 | Night_Elf | WormFood: I have added the non-free in the repository lines in /etc/apt/sources.list actually |
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| 16:28.43 | WormFood | totally gay. seems that apt-spy commented those out. I'm sure I had them enabled before. |
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| 16:29.11 | WormFood | now I got 'em |
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| 16:29.19 | paulfm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.26 | paulfm | hie everyone |
| 16:29.29 | paulfm | Hi |
| 16:29.36 | paulfm | <not a good start> |
| 16:29.36 | WormFood | paulfm, 你好 :P |
| 16:29.40 | paulfm | heh |
| 16:29.57 | forestbird | is it possible to build the latest nvidia proprietary drivers with the debian m-a? 295.40 has plenty of bugs and I saw that nvidia has already 295.49 |
| 16:29.59 | WormFood | thanks Night_Elf |
| 16:30.02 | Night_Elf | Off I go. Good weekend everyone. |
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| 16:30.09 | Night_Elf | WormFood: cheers, no worries. |
| 16:30.18 | WormFood | good workend Night_Elf |
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| 16:40.23 | fitshaced | anyone using mint deb for a gaming box? |
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| 16:40.48 | ladowacharpuny | can i easy made from ip class 148.81.0.0/16 list of ip one per line? |
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| 16:42.29 | BotaniCar | hi, i'm forced to ifup my NIC after reboot because system is not finding it by itself, after i do that , my DNS resolving is not working ( /etc/resolv.conf is empty) ; how can i manualy and permanently populate resolv.conf ( i dont have a DHCP server on network to let it handle IP distribution ) |
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| 16:48.00 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: for a in 148.81.{0..255}.{1..254}; do printf "$a\n"; done |
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| 16:48.29 | grobda24 | Hello. I'm having some trouble with update-alternatives. I built and installed Afterstep manually and added it as an alternative but now startx always loads Openbox. I can't get Afterstep to load using startx. |
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| 16:48.36 | grobda24 | Here is my setup ... http://pastebin.com/YtfBZgWB |
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| 16:50.43 | ladowacharpuny | dawud: what when will be \30 for example? |
| 16:50.54 | ladowacharpuny | \16 is easy |
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| 16:50.57 | ladowacharpuny | \24 too |
| 16:50.58 | ladowacharpuny | but other dont |
| 16:51.01 | ladowacharpuny | :( |
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| 16:51.53 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: ipcalc can help |
| 16:52.16 | dawud | ladowacharpuny: ipcalc 148.81.0.0/30 |
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| 16:52.45 | digdilem | or use the wiki page for cidr |
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| 17:01.26 | plm | are there a editor that will not open a entire a file, just part by part? imagne that I have a file 140GB, and I would change just line 71. but with VIM, it will try open all file.. |
| 17:01.56 | Floyd42 | Gedit will hang if you try to open that. |
| 17:02.15 | Floyd42 | Try a LXDE text editor |
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| 17:02.35 | Devastator | is there a way to know why a package needs a certain dep? |
| 17:02.36 | dondelelcaro | plm: see le, lfhex, etc. |
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| 17:02.49 | dondelelcaro | Devastator: apt-cache show foopkg; look at the Depends: field |
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| 17:03.31 | Devastator | dondelelcaro that doesn't explain why it needs that dep, does it? |
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| 17:04.14 | gnarface | plm: fyi you can probably open that file with emacs just fine |
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| 17:04.48 | hellop | hello. I have Debian squeeze (6.0) and libavutil-dev version 50.43.0. I need libavutil-dev > 51.11.0. I see here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html version 6.0+. How do I install a newer version of this file? |
| 17:04.57 | dawud | Devastator: aptitude why |
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| 17:05.06 | fitshaced | plm: if you know the syntax of the line, sed will work |
| 17:05.41 | hellop | Do I just remove (or purge?) it and compile from git source? |
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| 17:07.00 | dawud | hellop: would apt-get source pkg + apt-get build-dep pkg + dch -l foo 'bar' + debuild -us -uc suffice to backport it? |
| 17:07.12 | plm | fitshaced: sed needs to send to a file > so is just a copy of the file.. |
| 17:07.22 | dondelelcaro | Devastator: no, if you want to know why, you have to know about the dependency and the package |
| 17:07.29 | dawud | plm sed -i doesn't do that IIRC |
| 17:07.39 | abrotman | dawud: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:07.46 | abrotman | well, pass that to him |
| 17:08.03 | Devastator | dawud I'm trying to backport xtables-addons-common from sid to squeeze, it depends on multiarch-support, but i want to understand why it needs this package |
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| 17:08.51 | linduxed | i'm installing a new server and i've only got one 1TB drive in it. apart from separating /home from the rest, is there any big reason to go with the option to separate /home, /usr, /var, and /tmp? |
| 17:09.07 | plm | ohh le editor is fine.. 140GB of file and show in a minute |
| 17:09.14 | dawud | abrotman: sorry, I suck using the bot :/ |
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| 17:10.23 | dawud | linduxed: my standars layout (FDE apart) includes a /boot partition and the rest on s single PV/VG/LVs (12-14, depending on the functionality) |
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| 17:11.23 | linduxed | i today's day and age of omgwtf-huge drives, does splitting stuff up like that serve any purpose? |
| 17:11.25 | dawud | linduxed: LVs for almost everything: /home /usr swap /opt /usr/local /var /var/log ...... |
| 17:11.27 | hellop | dawud: I'm not sure. I only know about getting sources from get and then making a .deb package with checkinstall. |
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| 17:11.58 | gnarface | linduxed: it was always about performance and security |
| 17:12.25 | dawud | linduxed: it depends on your order/chaos balance/compulsion, I guess :) |
| 17:12.57 | gnarface | linduxed: if its your own desktop and you know what you're doing there's very little chance it matters. if its a public server you should at least put anything users can add data to (like /var especially) in its own partition because you don't want someone making your system unbootable just by choking your apache error log |
| 17:13.14 | Devastator | if aptitude build-dep multiarch-support installed all the needed packages for it to be built, shouldn't it build? apt-get -b source multiarch-support fails.. |
| 17:13.19 | hellop | dawud: I just don't know if the git souce here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html is the source for libavutil-dev |
| 17:13.34 | linduxed | gnarface: i think i'll run with the separation then |
| 17:13.36 | linduxed | thx |
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| 17:14.23 | gnarface | no problem |
| 17:14.40 | dawud | hellop: usually, a *-dev pkg is built separating headers and stuff from the compiled binaries/utilities, but I wouldn't know in your case |
| 17:14.44 | hellop | Can I get the unstable release thats here?: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libavutil-dev |
| 17:15.08 | gnarface | linduxed: i usually go, /, /usr, /home, /var, /tmp, (swap) |
| 17:15.21 | dawud | hellop: and simple sticking it into your squeeze box? be my guest, but chances are it won't work |
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| 17:16.11 | hellop | hmm I'm just sorta winging it here. dunno what to do... compiling from source seems to work for other things like ffmpeg. |
| 17:16.28 | dawud | hellop: try /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:18.20 | hellop | dawud, there's the tutorial I was looking for. A way to install stuff from sid using the package manager. Thanks! |
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| 17:19.05 | dawud | hellop: thank abrotman instead |
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| 17:19.29 | hellop | Thanks abrotman! |
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| 17:19.57 | ptrkmj | can i install debian to my lubuntu partition (without reformatting filesystem)? the reason i want to do this is because i have a single partition for both system and personal data (a lot of personal data). i would like installer to remove everything except /home dirs. feasible? |
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| 17:20.57 | Devastator | ptrkmj did you chose to mount /home in a diff partition while installing ubuntu? |
| 17:21.24 | ptrkmj | Devastator: as i said, everything is on single partition |
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| 17:21.33 | Devastator | then no, i guess |
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| 17:22.34 | gnarface | ptrkmj: just backup /home |
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| 17:22.48 | gnarface | ptrkmj: tar cjvpf [output file] /home |
| 17:23.01 | ptrkmj | it would be unintelligent to rewrite so much data. i want the smart way |
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| 17:23.15 | gnarface | ptrkmj: the smart way is to put /home on a separate partition |
| 17:23.30 | Devastator | gnarface was faster.. :/ |
| 17:23.38 | ptrkmj | too bad |
| 17:23.50 | gnarface | boggles at "... installed ubuntu... all one partition... i want the smart way" |
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| 17:25.06 | ptrkmj | gnarface: yeah, i installed ubuntu but now i'm taking *the right* path (i hope) |
| 17:25.42 | Devastator | if you have everything on a single part and is going to install debian, it will be rewritten |
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| 17:26.14 | ptrkmj | are you absolutely sure that intaller cannot just unpack all the goodies without format? |
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| 17:26.39 | abrotman | ptrkmj: you could try to debootstrap and move things around .. but that sounds icky |
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| 17:28.02 | gnarface | ptrkmj: the installers only option to format/not format goes by LVM or partition, as far as i know. |
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| 17:28.55 | ptrkmj | can i skip partitioning step, remove everything except /home (rm command) manually, then debootstrap? |
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| 17:30.05 | abrotman | and how would you run deboostrap with no OS ? |
| 17:30.38 | ptrkmj | isn't it run from CD environment? |
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| 17:31.21 | abrotman | !tell ptrkmj about debootstrap |
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| 17:31.39 | ptrkmj | why would i run debootsrap if i already had working os ? |
| 17:31.43 | MachinaeWolf | I'm stuck, I'm trying to get the latest wine (which is 32bit) to work on my 64bit so I was following http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=18001 but idk if you need to install another distro on another partition or what |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | ptrkmj: don't you want to install Debian over Ubuntu without losing /home/ ? |
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| 17:32.21 | ptrkmj | abrotman: that's right |
| 17:32.32 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 17:33.04 | hellop | Hi again. When I try to "aptitude build-dep libavutil-dev". I get a ton of depend errors like: Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libopencv-dev. That doesn't appear to be in the repos. So, this means I can't compile it? |
| 17:33.39 | hellop | (trying to compile sid version of libavutil-dev on squeeze) |
| 17:33.53 | MachinaeWolf | yeah don't think that'll work hellop |
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| 17:35.04 | Devastator | i just had a crazy idea, but i don't if is doable, why don't you boot a live cd, remove all except /home, then repart the free space? :) |
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| 17:35.56 | ElDiabolo | MachinaeWolf, You do not need to install another OS on another disk. Wine runs on amd64. |
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| 17:36.22 | MachinaeWolf | No I'm trying to compile the latest wine to run on 64bit ElDiabolo |
| 17:36.45 | anoobisa | hi can anyone help me with a problem to free space? A mail directory is clogging up my root partition. and I don't want to loose data. |
| 17:36.52 | ElDiabolo | MachinaeWolf, wine-unstable won't do? |
| 17:37.14 | MachinaeWolf | Um afaik it's not in the squeeze repo |
| 17:37.15 | Devastator | I'm just trying to figure out build-dep as well, if it satisfy dependencies, shouldn't the package be able to build? |
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| 17:37.59 | MachinaeWolf | Yeah I don't see any wine-unstable on my system ElDiabolo |
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| 17:38.25 | spacepluk | anoobisa: you could try: aptitude clean |
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| 17:38.34 | ElDiabolo | MachinaeWolf, http://packages.debian.org/sid/wine-unstable |
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| 17:39.04 | MachinaeWolf | Yeah but that's for sid ElDiabolo, I'm running squeeze... |
| 17:39.07 | ElDiabolo | MachinaeWolf, Could well be installable on wheezy or even squeeze. |
| 17:39.08 | MachinaeWolf | That's the thing |
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| 17:39.41 | karlpinc | anoobisa: You can also get rid of old logs in /var/log/, or throw away mail you don't want. |
| 17:39.45 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm well ElDiabolo I tried installing the 64bit packages from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ and no luck |
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| 17:41.34 | ElDiabolo | MachinaeWolf, Uh, OK, thats further upstream. Then you have already gone further than I did. Good luck:) |
| 17:41.42 | gnarface | wow its "woops i forgot to partition" friday apparently |
| 17:41.44 | anoobisa | spacepluk if have already done aptitude clean |
| 17:42.32 | ElDiabolo | bye |
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| 17:42.49 | dawud | gnarface: that's why LVs are great |
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| 17:43.17 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm well then while I'm here which video driver works best for |
| 17:43.23 | MachinaeWolf | Graphics: Card Intel Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.10.4 Res: 1366x768@60.0hz |
| 17:43.23 | MachinaeWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.24 | MachinaeWolf | ? |
| 17:43.37 | gnarface | dawud: i'm seeing that. however *i'm* not one of those people who forgets to partition |
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| 17:43.49 | MachinaeWolf | One I have I heard is what is causing system freezes on my kernels |
| 17:43.51 | gnarface | would only put everything on one partition if it was a laptop |
| 17:44.02 | dawud | gnarface: I'm aware. just sharing a thought |
| 17:44.10 | dawud | gnarface: not even there |
| 17:44.12 | ptrkmj | gnarface: it is in my case |
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| 17:45.14 | dawud | gnarface: even on a single disk, the flexibility of creating, destroying, extending LVs is a must, IMHO |
| 17:45.22 | gnarface | ptrkmj: well you discarded my initial suggestion - the easiest solution - which was to just tar up /home to some other drive and then copy it back after a fresh install. you do realize that you're making this much harder on yourself by putting your foot down at "but then i have to write the /home data twice, that's stupid" |
| 17:45.28 | gnarface | ptrkmj: you realize that, don't you? |
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| 17:55.31 | ptrkmj | gnarface: i don't consider it to be hard. it's not a big deal, unless i'm completely wrong about something |
| 17:55.45 | ptrkmj | afk for a momment |
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| 17:57.05 | gnarface | ptrkmj: well i fully support your chosen approach based solely on its academic value. it will build character and knowlege. but really, tar would be much easier. |
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| 17:59.15 | anoobisa | Can I move a mail user to a different partition and then place a symlink instead? Using postfix and dovecot. |
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| 18:00.39 | abrotman | worth a try |
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| 18:00.42 | abrotman | easy to test |
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| 18:01.44 | cconstantine | ey all, I have the redis-server package installed on debian 6.0.3 (squeezy) and I can't help but notice that it's version 1.2. Do any of you know of a source that gives a more recent version? |
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| 18:02.03 | somiaj | anoobisa: why do you want a link, why not just change the HOME and/or MAILDIR for the user |
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| 18:02.40 | somiaj | but a link would work just fine |
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| 18:02.58 | gnarface | ,versions redis-server |
| 18:02.59 | judd | Package: redis-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.4.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:2.4.9-1; wheezy: 2:2.4.9-1 |
| 18:03.10 | anoobisa | somiaj: ok lemme try |
| 18:03.23 | gnarface | cconstantine: looks like its in backports, you're in luck |
| 18:03.44 | cconstantine | 'deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main' ? |
| 18:03.56 | gnarface | uh... looks right. i'm not sure |
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| 18:03.59 | gnarface | dpkg: backports? |
| 18:04.00 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:04.07 | gnarface | cconstantine: ^^ |
| 18:04.35 | cconstantine | gnarface, where did you find it? can you link me? |
| 18:04.54 | gnarface | cconstantine: you didn't see me ask the bot a second ago? |
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| 18:05.18 | cconstantine | gnarface, you said you found it in backports. where did you look? |
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| 18:06.02 | cconstantine | nm, I got it |
| 18:06.04 | gnarface | cconstantine: in this channel, i asked the judd bot by saying ",versions redis-server", and it responded 2 lines later. you can't see that? |
| 18:06.07 | gnarface | cconstantine: ok |
| 18:06.24 | gnarface | cconstantine: now read what dpkg just said about backports. one of those links probably has the info you want |
| 18:06.39 | gnarface | cconstantine: additionally you can ask dpkg directly with /msg about related info |
| 18:07.53 | gnarface | these days it seems like everyone has been conditioned to not read all the text that comes into their field of view. its really not a good thing. |
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| 18:14.44 | Woet | what did you say gnarface? |
| 18:15.03 | nvz | lets not call people names.. heh |
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| 18:15.47 | metaphys1cian | (next point release for "squeeze" (6.0.5) is scheduled for Saturday |
| 18:15.55 | nvz | gnarface: I took a class on it, its called speed reading |
| 18:16.39 | gnarface | nvz: i blame pizza hut. |
| 18:16.47 | calrogman | nvz: All you need to know to learn how to speedread is: don't say the word you're reading in your head. |
| 18:16.52 | gnarface | nvz: (for my compulsive reading disorder) |
| 18:17.02 | gnarface | nvz: ... amongst other things |
| 18:17.08 | calrogman | gnarface: I blame them for delicious. |
| 18:17.39 | gnarface | http://www.bookitprogram.com/ |
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| 18:17.57 | gnarface | ^^^ believe it or not pizza hut uses the crack in their pizza to promote literacy amongst children |
| 18:18.00 | gnarface | they do it pretty well too |
| 18:18.14 | gnarface | someone should get them to promote debian to 3rd graders too |
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| 18:18.21 | gnarface | 2nd graders? |
| 18:18.22 | gnarface | whatever |
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| 18:25.24 | nvz | whheter or not you've tkean a csals yuor brian wlil slitl flil in the bnlkas so, ndoboy rlaley rdeas waht is allutcay tehre. Atefr ioinrgng leretts, you're tugaht irogne ernite wrdos, brfeoe know you're radenig snhimoetg wuitoht seneig . Tehn you're tughat keep pcae. |
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| 18:25.58 | calrogman | nvz: are you a wizard |
| 18:26.20 | nvz | not that I'm aware of.. why, you wanna play with my wand? |
| 18:26.31 | calrogman | uh, nah you're good... |
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| 18:30.03 | nvz | comprehension is a problem at first, but thats the case with normal reading.. poor readers will get stuck on words and syllables before they'll learn to just read it and let the understanding sink in as they go along. |
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| 18:32.36 | mongo | is there any way to see what created a dm symlink in /dev/disk/by-id? I am trying to trace a bug down that may be lvm, multipath tools or device-mapper |
| 18:33.01 | anoobisa | how do I reduce my swap file? |
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| 18:33.19 | mongo | anoobisa: is it a swap file or a partiton? |
| 18:33.39 | anoobisa | mongo: sorry it is partition of course |
| 18:34.43 | mongo | I assume you want to grow the root partition too correct? |
| 18:34.45 | dvs | anoobisa: partimage? |
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| 18:35.31 | mongo | I would boot to a live DVD and use gparted, it will allow you to resize your root too, without the pitfalls of doing it from the command line |
| 18:35.38 | tdrusk | anobisa: get slitaz and use gparted. |
| 18:36.06 | calrogman | anoobisa: And next time you install, invest in LVM. |
| 18:36.53 | anoobisa | sorry guys |
| 18:37.12 | anoobisa | what I meant was that my swap partition is full |
| 18:37.16 | anoobisa | does it clear itself out |
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| 18:37.46 | anoobisa | how can I reduce the space used in my swap partition |
| 18:38.00 | mongo | anoobisa: so the command $free -m says it is fully used? |
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| 18:38.19 | calrogman | It will clear itself out over time if you have RAM to spare. If you don't have RAM to spare, get more RAM. |
| 18:38.24 | mongo | where are you seeing it is full |
| 18:38.30 | gnarface | or more swap |
| 18:38.38 | gnarface | but memory leaks are often a cause of this |
| 18:38.40 | mongo | if you swap is full the OOM killer will free some space |
| 18:38.48 | anoobisa | htop tells me |
| 18:39.10 | mongo | anoobisa: the free is 0k? |
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| 18:39.33 | mongo | in top type M |
| 18:39.40 | mongo | and see what processes are using all the memory |
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| 18:40.47 | anoobisa | mongo: free says Swap 2 :-) |
| 18:41.08 | anoobisa | so there is mb left |
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| 18:41.22 | calrogman | anoobisa: htop shows you the memory used for buffer and cache as well |
| 18:41.30 | anoobisa | mongo: 2mb left |
| 18:41.46 | anoobisa | calrogman: ok I see |
| 18:41.50 | mongo | anoobisa: if you typ M do you see a process on top of the list that is useing a lot of ram? |
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| 18:42.21 | mongo | if so you can kill that process |
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| 18:43.02 | anoobisa | mongo: the problem was that my system partition was FULL |
| 18:43.32 | mongo | you may want to delete some files first :) |
| 18:43.47 | anoobisa | mongo: cleared all space that I needed now swap is still full |
| 18:43.58 | anoobisa | mongo: I guess that will pan out over time |
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| 18:44.52 | mongo | anoobisa: did you see any processes using a lot of ram? |
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| 18:44.55 | trysten | good morning #debian! |
| 18:44.59 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:45.08 | Eyem | morning :) |
| 18:45.19 | anoobisa | mongo: no my ram is fine |
| 18:45.59 | anoobisa | monogo: the entire system got halted becaus of the space problem thus I assume swap was used as a last resort |
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| 18:47.02 | anoobisa | mongo: the entire system got halted because of the space problem thus I assume swap was used as a last resort |
| 18:47.26 | anoobisa | mongo: so swap will clear itself? can one trigger clearing it? |
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| 18:48.01 | mongo | anoobisa: unless it has a core dump, if you rebooted you could try swapoff and swapon |
| 18:48.13 | mongo | if that doesn't work you could swapoff run mkswap and swapon again |
| 18:49.05 | mongo | that may change the UUID though, so you would want to run blkid to find the correct one and update the entry in /etc/fstab |
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| 18:50.21 | anoobisa | mongo: no core dump. no reboot. does it hurt to keep it sitting there? I got 4 GB of ram 1GB is in use at the moment and I am not seeing it change in the near future. |
| 18:51.27 | anoobisa | mongo: and my system partition has now 5GB of space to breathe again so it should be fine, right? |
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| 18:53.32 | calrogman | anoobisa: Yeah, it should be okay. Make sure you keep an eyeon disk use though. |
| 18:53.36 | mongo | anoobisa: depends on what you use the system for but yes that should be OK, if the machine can send mail it may be a good idea to make a script that alerts you when it is almost full |
| 18:54.05 | anoobisa | calrogman: yeh working on that |
| 18:54.26 | trysten | so could i like.. turn off every other pixel or something to save power? |
| 18:54.27 | anoobisa | mongo: writing as we type :-) |
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| 18:54.40 | ale666lnx | Hi, has anyone ever used mod_spdy? Had some gains? what have to speak about? |
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| 18:56.41 | trysten | ale666lnx: how can i tell if my browser supports spdy? |
| 18:56.55 | mongo | anoobisa: http://pastebin.com/HznTpDdc <-- it isn't pretty but thats the script i've been dragging around for a decade to check for almost full disks |
| 18:56.56 | Devastator-work | Sorry to ask this question again, but when build-dep gets all necessary packages to build a package from source, it should build without errors, correct? |
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| 18:57.50 | anoobisa | mongo: thank you very much!!! |
| 18:57.53 | mongo | Devastator-work: assuming you have everything dpkg-* needs yet |
| 18:57.54 | mongo | err yes |
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| 18:58.51 | Devastator-work | mongo: I had to update dpkg-dev and libdpkgdev-perl, but yet it doesn't build |
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| 18:59.52 | anoobisa | mongo: swapoff works a charm :-) |
| 19:00.23 | mongo | Devastator-work: what error does it give? |
| 19:00.29 | aarkerio | hi! I can enable scrolling in my laptop touchpad mouse |
| 19:00.50 | calrogman | aarkerio: `man synaptics' :-) |
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| 19:03.40 | Devastator-work | mongo: Perhaps I should give you full details, I was trying to build xtables-addons 1.42 from sid to squeeze, it then complained about missing libs from xtables-addons-common, I've downloaded xtables-addons-common.deb from sid, tried to install manually but it needs multiarch-support package, which I tried to backport also. At this point I'm having trouble backporting multiarch-support to be able to install xtables-addons-comm |
| 19:04.21 | forestbird | hmm, i'm trying to install an older nvidia module from the package: nvidia-kernel-dkms.... (with dpkg -i), it's telling me that a newer module has been found and I may override with --force. but I can't give dpkg this option. how do I force it? |
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| 19:07.53 | anoobisa | mongo: ok system stable :-) thanks for the great help! |
| 19:08.09 | anoobisa | calrogman: also thanks for the help! |
| 19:08.55 | anoobisa | :q |
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| 19:11.30 | linduxed | resizing logical volumes isn't that big of a deal right? assuming that there's still space on the volumes that are to be resized |
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| 19:12.01 | jordanm | linduxed: growing is not a big deal |
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| 19:14.01 | linduxed | well i'm mainly concerned about the following situation |
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| 19:15.01 | linduxed | i'm mainly wondering if i could later on take some of that /home and give to / |
| 19:15.12 | linduxed | whoa... where did the previous message go? |
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| 19:15.29 | linduxed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.31 | linduxed | there we go |
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| 19:16.34 | Flashtek_ | aptitude package status of "H", what is please ? |
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| 19:17.45 | dvs | Flashtek_: dpkg -l would tell you |
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| 19:19.04 | Flashtek_ | dvs: iHR |
| 19:19.11 | Devastator-work | yep, i guess it's a mistery :( |
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| 19:19.21 | Flashtek_ | i = installed, R = reinstall, H = ? |
| 19:19.39 | Flashtek_ | as far as I can tell it means "buggered" |
| 19:19.57 | dvs | Flashtek_: I don't know. I don't use aptitude interactively |
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| 19:21.06 | Devastator-work | should I ask my question on #d @ oftc? |
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| 19:22.12 | trysten | well i do, dvs. and sometimes when i select a package for installation and deslect it, some of its dependencies stay selected for installation with the A(utomatically installed to satisfy dependencies) flag. what's up with that? |
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| 19:22.49 | Flashtek_ | "half-installed: the package's installation was interrupted." |
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| 19:23.46 | Flashtek_ | so... how to complete the install... |
| 19:24.13 | trysten | Flashtek_: first, i try apt-get check |
| 19:24.31 | xfire78xx | sera |
| 19:24.43 | Flashtek_ | E: The package webmin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 19:25.26 | trysten | Flashtek_: perhaps you should purge it entirely. then reinstall |
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| 19:25.59 | trysten | Flashtek_: if that is an option... otherwise, i think you'll need to know what version of webmin is broken so you can get the correct archive from the web |
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| 19:26.41 | Flashtek_ | not my server.. i'm trying to investigate some issues with it, but apt-get won't install anything with webmin half borked.. |
| 19:27.42 | trysten | Flashtek_: this exact thing has happend to me. i was working on someone else server and webmin broke |
| 19:28.26 | Flashtek_ | 1.570 |
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| 19:29.50 | Flashtek_ | uses googlefoo.. |
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| 19:30.55 | Flashtek_ | wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin_1.570_all.deb |
| 19:30.57 | Flashtek_ | ha.. |
| 19:31.00 | Flashtek_ | i win... |
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| 19:31.59 | nvz | !win Flashtek_ |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, Flashtek_! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
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| 19:32.21 | Flashtek_ | lol |
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| 19:32.49 | Flashtek_ | is there interwebs available there ? |
| 19:33.20 | nvz | yes but you can only see gay asian midget porn with it |
| 19:33.23 | linduxed | assuming i have a large /usr, do i need a large / ? |
| 19:33.45 | valdyn | linduxed: no? |
| 19:34.09 | Flashtek_ | ewww... i'll learn to live without... |
| 19:34.35 | Flashtek_ | linduxed: depends on your needs really |
| 19:35.00 | linduxed | ehmmm... |
| 19:35.04 | linduxed | normal needs |
| 19:35.27 | Flashtek_ | define 'normal' |
| 19:35.45 | linduxed | i mean... the guided partitioner gave me a huge /home, a small /, a large /usr and a decently large /var |
| 19:35.48 | linduxed | and a small /tmp |
| 19:35.52 | gnarface | linduxed: if you have /usr, /home, /var and /tmp separate, and you don't have like a thousand kernels installed, you probably only need a couple hundred megs in /. i've never needed more than a couple gigs |
| 19:36.13 | linduxed | the purpose of the machine is not much more than a samba server |
| 19:36.26 | gnarface | linduxed: will the samba users be using their own home directories? |
| 19:36.40 | linduxed | yes, but that will be place in the /home partition |
| 19:37.02 | gnarface | linduxed: i doubt you'll need more than 5G in / |
| 19:37.17 | linduxed | well it's currently set to 350 MB |
| 19:37.35 | gnarface | linduxed: that's a bit tight. give it at least 2G |
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| 19:37.46 | gnarface | linduxed: but don't give it more than 10 |
| 19:37.57 | gnarface | linduxed: you said this was a 1TB drive right? |
| 19:39.01 | linduxed | yeah |
| 19:39.27 | valdyn | linduxed: why so much separation? |
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| 19:39.46 | linduxed | i just chose the "guided partitioning" option in the installer |
| 19:39.57 | linduxed | more specifically, the option that split it up like that |
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| 19:49.33 | Flashtek_ | wonders which idiot set this server up... |
| 19:49.48 | Flashtek_ | Firefox on a hosted server anyone ? |
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| 19:50.04 | Flashtek_ | complete with XFS file systems on /home /var and /usr |
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| 19:51.27 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 19:51.37 | cedr | huh |
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| 19:56.45 | guardian | hi again, is there a way to hide shares from guest users? browseable=no hides it for all users even those connected |
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| 19:58.00 | oskie | is it possible to install debian on a USB stick? i'm not talking Live USB, i'm talking installing |
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| 19:58.19 | rainfyre | Riskier yes |
| 19:58.31 | rainfyre | Oskie yes |
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| 19:59.40 | oskie | how!? |
| 19:59.47 | twobitsprite | where do I get 32-bit java JRE in wheezy? |
| 20:00.01 | abrotman | guardian: did you ask #samba ? |
| 20:00.06 | abrotman | twobitsprite: openjdk ? |
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| 20:01.27 | guardian | abrotman: i did |
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| 20:02.01 | twobitsprite | abrotman: any version of java... |
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| 20:02.07 | twobitsprite | er, implementation, whatever :P |
| 20:02.57 | Devastator-work | where's the best place to ask about backporting packages? here? oftc? mailing list? |
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| 20:06.22 | twobitsprite | abrotman: or, was that an answer? I assume openjdk in the 64-bit archs is 64-bit |
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| 20:07.35 | gnarface | Devastator: the best place to ask is the bot |
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| 20:07.44 | gnarface | Devastator-work: : the best place to ask is the bot |
| 20:07.54 | gnarface | dpkg tell Devastator-work about backports |
| 20:08.22 | gnarface | Devastator-work: unless you're doing something weird, in which case i don't know |
| 20:08.26 | twobitsprite | Devastator-work: you can all "/msg dpkg ssb" for a simple example of backporting a sid package |
| 20:08.35 | twobitsprite | s/all/also |
| 20:09.33 | Devastator-work | gnarface: Perhaps I should give you full details, I was trying to build xtables-addons 1.42 from sid to squeeze, it then complained about missing libs from xtables-addons-common, I've downloaded xtables-addons-common.deb from sid, tried to install manually but it needs multiarch-support package, which I tried to backport also. At this point I'm having trouble backporting multiarch-support to be able to install xtables-addons-c |
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| 20:10.34 | twobitsprite | Devastator-work: aptitude build-dep xtables-addons ? |
| 20:10.43 | nsadmin | , checkbackport xtables-addons |
| 20:10.45 | judd | Backporting package xtables-addons in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 20:11.03 | gnarface | Devastator-work: yea basically you have to backport all dependencies too. some shit is gonna have too many dependencies, and sometimes those dependencies (like multiarch) will be in conflict with versions of stuff you already have in squeeze (like gcc), so you have to start backporting them too. |
| 20:11.23 | nsadmin | so, you should run apt-get build-dep xtables-addons |
| 20:11.53 | nsadmin | oh, and you need to have squeeze-backports in sources |
| 20:12.29 | Devastator-work | nsadmin, gnarface I did, it installed some packages, but when I do apt-get -b source xtables-addons, at some point it says: xtables-addons-common, missing libs |
| 20:13.15 | rozie | hi. need backup. upgraded system to unstable and now, when I work on battery not AC, I hear disc stopping and starting very often |
| 20:13.44 | rozie | how to find which program is the cause and stop it? |
| 20:13.54 | rozie | na laptop tools installed |
| 20:13.56 | nsadmin | you needed backup before you upgraded system :) |
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| 20:18.03 | gnarface | rozie: its probably got something to do with acpi and your kernel configuration |
| 20:18.26 | da78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.28 | gnarface | rozie: also what you're describing is what most laptop users coming from a windows or mac world would call "expected behavior" |
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| 20:19.03 | gnarface | rozie: i'm sorry i can't give you more details - i'm not a frequent user of recent-model (post APM) laptops or power management features in linux |
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| 20:19.26 | gnarface | rozie: i'm sure if you find good documentation on it we'd all appreciate hearing about it though |
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| 20:20.23 | abrotman | twobitsprite: uh what ? |
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| 20:20.36 | Devastator-work | nsadmin, gnarface I'm going home, can I paste the output of aptitude build-dep xtables-addons when I'm there? |
| 20:21.14 | rozie | gnarface: I doubt it's kernel - had kernel from unstable on the "stable" system |
| 20:21.18 | gnarface | Devastator-work: if by paste you mean, give us a link through paste.debian.net, sure |
| 20:21.31 | rozie | I don't consider it expected behavior |
| 20:22.17 | rozie | it starts spinning every minute or so |
| 20:22.36 | rozie | taking a look at upowerd, which is installed... |
| 20:22.42 | Devastator-work | gnarface: yep :) |
| 20:22.52 | Devastator-work | gnarface: I hope to solve it tonight |
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| 20:24.43 | nsadmin | Devastator-work, sure :) use a pastebin and/or nopaste :) except,,, I'm out for anhour or two\ |
| 20:25.00 | Devastator-work | i have the whole night hehe |
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| 20:28.36 | kuwrefem | question: in the install process, i am having trouble with the boot loader. it needs to be installed to sdb which is not the default and a choice is not offered. ideas? |
| 20:28.56 | kuwrefem | my primary drive is sdb... |
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| 20:32.52 | laumonier | hi is this possible to disable the root account like ubuntu and have sudo in debian? |
| 20:33.19 | nvz | laumonier: of course it is |
| 20:33.33 | craigevil | but why would you want to? |
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| 20:35.05 | laumonier | im searching a debian distro for noob which is close to ubuntu and stable |
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| 20:36.00 | nvz | debian certainly is debian.. |
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| 20:37.58 | karlpinc | !tell laumonier about sudoers |
| 20:38.00 | innor | hello, i've accidentially deleted some latex relevant binaries in /usr/bin (i.e. pdflatex), now apt-get install texlive-latex-base does not fix it, what am i doing wrong? how can i reinstall it properly? |
| 20:38.19 | innor | is there a dpkg command for fixing packages maybe? |
| 20:38.25 | karlpinc | laumonier: But sudo is less secure than su because if a cracker gets the user's password he's got root too. |
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| 20:39.30 | jagginess | laumonier, ya.. you can make a rule to disable root with pam |
| 20:39.32 | jagginess | !pam |
| 20:39.32 | dpkg | pam is probably the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://web.archive.org/web/20110721105843/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide: http://web.archive.org/web/20110613030734/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html |
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| 20:40.21 | karlpinc | innor: You could probably --force-yes, but do not do that because I say so. I'm not really up on the correct way to fix it. Better wait for another response. |
| 20:40.29 | jagginess | laumonier, and for sudo, you look up sudoers manpages to edit the appropriate file for that.. (though you can't login from a login prompt as root, you can still use sudo once setup right) |
| 20:41.12 | laumonier | but two password to remember is to hard for me im a lazy guy |
| 20:41.23 | karlpinc | Openvz or vserver? Any thoughts to share? |
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| 20:41.51 | innor | karlpinc: i tried to install context which comes with a variety of binaries, i accidentially copied all of them over to /usr/bin/, so just the right executables are missing now, the rest of the installation should be ok, though |
| 20:42.01 | jagginess | laumonier, #linux , you're asking non-debian stuff like ubuntu or password-related items.. you only need to type the same login password as for sudo |
| 20:42.15 | karlpinc | laumonier: That's a good reason. (Although you _do_ need roots password at times.) |
| 20:42.28 | laumonier | besides i use sudo all the time in debian if sudo doesnt exist it means that i would have to switch account every time i want to manage my computer? |
| 20:42.31 | jagginess | karlpinc, sudo su -l ! |
| 20:42.57 | karlpinc | jagginess: Not from the initramfs recovery mode. :) |
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| 20:43.43 | jagginess | pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel bootline! :)) |
| 20:45.19 | karlpinc | laumonier: |
| 20:45.24 | karlpinc | "man su" |
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| 20:46.44 | jagginess | su and sudo are different, i think laumonier got confused enough he typed sudo twice in his last sentence lol |
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| 20:48.36 | karlpinc | jagginess: Thinking about it, I'm not sure that init=/bin/sh will work if, say, there's a fsck problem with /. The recovery mode is pretty much burned into the initramfs AFAIK. |
| 20:48.49 | kuwrefem | laumonier: you just type su in terminal, give password, do your business then type exit, back to your account. it's fine |
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| 20:51.47 | laumonier | ok thx ive learned something |
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| 20:52.31 | kuwrefem | everytime you come here |
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| 20:53.20 | hivemind_ | q |
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| 20:53.26 | hivemind_ | can u help me? |
| 20:53.38 | simonlnu | a |
| 20:53.47 | simonlnu | ask the real question |
| 20:53.54 | hivemind_ | i installed a teamspeak3, and sound playing is not working |
| 20:54.01 | hivemind_ | debian squeeze, alsa |
| 20:54.40 | hivemind_ | and sound playing in audacity is not working too |
| 20:55.03 | simonlnu | !alsa checklist |
| 20:55.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:59.48 | hivemind_ | i already in audio, all chanels in alsamixer is on, i don't have pulseaudia, aplay for root is working |
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| 21:00.11 | hivemind_ | !alsa list alsa users |
| 21:00.20 | hivemind_ | !list alsa users |
| 21:00.21 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 21:00.40 | hivemind_ | !alsa firmware |
| 21:00.40 | dpkg | Binary-only <firmware> was removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers at linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>. |
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| 21:01.20 | hivemind_ | !alsa blacklist |
| 21:01.58 | simonlnu | you'll want to /msg dpkg foo to cut down on noise |
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| 21:04.35 | karlpinc | Openvz or vserver? Any thoughts to share? |
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| 21:05.29 | Devastator | gnarface, nsadmin: as promised http://codepad.org/oxCsgdfH |
| 21:05.31 | innor | karlpinc: fyi, running "fmtutil -all" did solve the most ardent problems (the system didn't recognize the new pdflatex binary since the configs where not adapted); so "pdlfatex" is running for simple .tex files again; thanks for you help! |
| 21:06.20 | calrogman | I love that dpkg's first recommendation for finding processes using your sound devices is 142 characters, and the second "alternative" one is only 39 characters... |
| 21:07.09 | gnarface | Devastator: that means its already installed |
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| 21:08.54 | jasox | Is there any signs of gnome 3.4 in debian testing? http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.4-status.html is this site updated :S |
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| 21:09.56 | craigevil | ,versions gnome-shell |
| 21:09.57 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.2.1-2; sid: 3.2.2.1-4 |
| 21:10.45 | jasox | hm |
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| 21:12.00 | rozie | OK, looks like I found a solution - apmd was not installed |
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| 21:12.26 | calrogman | Yeah jasox, I have a sneaking suspicion that it is updated. |
| 21:12.33 | Devastator | gnarface well, the only package i could remove was xtables-addons-source |
| 21:12.52 | Devastator | gnarface and when i type aptitude build-dep xtables-addons it doesn't install anything |
| 21:12.52 | rozie | ...or not. |
| 21:13.01 | rozie | it started again |
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| 21:14.56 | gnarface | Devastator: build-deps are often common things, like |
| 21:15.00 | gnarface | Devastator: gcc |
| 21:15.11 | gnarface | Devastator: if you commonly build things you may already have them |
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| 21:15.29 | gnarface | Devastator: don't expect build-deps for xtables-* to contain 'xtables' in their package names |
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| 21:17.35 | Devastator | gnarface should I try to apt-get -b source xtables-addons for you to see what error I'm getting? |
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| 21:21.34 | rozie | looks like upowerd is quilty |
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| 21:21.46 | rozie | guilty* |
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| 21:26.31 | benvei | i have a Dell L502X with debian and 3.2.0 kernel. The CPU load is 0 and the cooling system runs... But the battery run only 2 hours, on windows it runs 6 hours :/ |
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| 21:27.20 | cob | anyone have any experience with node? I'm trying it out, but I'm having problems with package resolution... Earlier I built it from source, but removed it and installed with apt. Now I'm having issues that packages installed with npm install --link -g are not found. |
| 21:27.47 | oskie | how can you disable changing console framebuffer resolution on startup? I want original VGA |
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| 21:28.35 | jordanm | oskie: edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub |
| 21:29.39 | oskie | jordanm: I think grub resolution is OK, but later during boot it changes to some high resolution |
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| 21:29.54 | oskie | it says something about Nouveau |
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| 21:30.14 | linduxed | is there any reason to split up /tmp into its own partiotion? |
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| 21:31.23 | syslq | linduxed: yes, if it fills up, it fills up only the space on that partition |
| 21:31.42 | syslq | linduxed: if some buggy app would go wild for instance |
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| 21:33.06 | trysten | syslq: do you think the quota program could acconplish the same task? |
| 21:33.23 | linduxed | syslq: so i should give it 3GB or something like that? |
| 21:33.26 | linduxed | or is that way too much? |
| 21:33.33 | syslq | linduxed: it's fine |
| 21:33.40 | syslq | trysten: yeah, sure |
| 21:33.49 | rozie | benvei: take a look on this. maybe the same chipset... http://fenski.pl/2012/02/quick-howto-for-the-most-stable-linux-kernel-with-zenbook/ |
| 21:33.53 | syslq | trysten: but you'd need proper set up |
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| 21:34.06 | syslq | trysten: for all users etc, so partition makes sense |
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| 21:34.08 | linduxed | hmmm, that would make my /tmp as big as /var... |
| 21:34.13 | linduxed | i guess that's fine though |
| 21:34.20 | kbar | hey, any idea why I'm getting this error when trying to compile Crypt::SSLeay via cpanminus? http://pastebin.com/0dECYugs |
| 21:34.31 | kbar | btw, using wheezy |
| 21:34.58 | syslq | linduxed: 1gb should be enough |
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| 21:35.54 | trysten | syslq: found this http://www.schmut.com/cheat-sheets/linux-directory-quota while looking for non-partition solutions. don't know why i didn't think of it. i wonder what the overhead might be.. |
| 21:37.00 | syslq | trysten: I'm sure setting quotas works just fine but I like the kiss principle. Making seperate partiton costs you nothing and it's failsafe way of preventing temp from expanding over sane limits |
| 21:37.42 | Devastator | gnarface apt-get -b source xtables-addons: http://codepad.org/42H8viT3 |
| 21:37.44 | linduxed | syslq: well i've got 1TB to spare... |
| 21:37.55 | syslq | linduxed: 3gb is just fine there :) |
| 21:38.12 | linduxed | ok so 3 for /var, 3 for /tmp... |
| 21:38.17 | benvei | rozie, i've found it allready, its not the complete same chipset, but maybe it will work. But isn't there a option without recompiling the kernel? :/ |
| 21:38.19 | linduxed | 10 for / ? |
| 21:38.31 | linduxed | or no... that's way overkill |
| 21:38.36 | syslq | linduxed: depends on your setup |
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| 21:39.07 | linduxed | syslq: and by that you mean? |
| 21:39.13 | syslq | linduxed: I keep my var quite large but I only use linux on servers, for desktop usage I dunno, you probably do not need much |
| 21:39.34 | syslq | linduxed: partition scheme varies with role |
| 21:39.35 | linduxed | well it's a server |
| 21:39.38 | rozie | benvei: read about it, maybe it was included in 3.3 or even late 3.2 |
| 21:39.42 | linduxed | fileserver/samba |
| 21:40.00 | gnarface | Devastator: clearly something is still missing. likely the README will tell you the basic requirements. you should manually verify it against dpkg -l |
| 21:40.26 | rozie | benvei: have no experience with this chipset. just know that some hardware have huge difference with battery life on Windows and Linux |
| 21:40.41 | dzragon | Anyone good at xorg.conf / nvidia-settings / refreshrates ? Got a Syncmaster 2233rz that can do 120hz max, but its at 60hz. I'd like to see it over 75hz atleast. Getting headaches amo. |
| 21:40.57 | syslq | linduxed: I usually have those files in /srv (fileserver shared files) |
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| 21:41.35 | syslq | linduxed: or even somewhere in home and I symlink to srv, I know it's ugly :) |
| 21:41.40 | syslq | but never in var |
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| 21:41.52 | syslq | I host www from var |
| 21:42.35 | Devastator | gnarface INSTALL says it needs iptables >= 1.4.5 (I have 1.4.13) and kernel >= 2.6.29 (I have 3.2.15) :( |
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| 21:43.53 | syslq | linduxed: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html |
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| 21:45.34 | gnarface | Devastator: keep in mind that in debian the compilation requirements for [package name] are always separate and usually named [package name]-dev |
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| 21:46.28 | gnarface | Devastator: so for example when it says you need iptables, to compile a package, in debian that means you need iptables-dev (iptables only contains runtime stuff) - this is *very* different from redhat |
| 21:46.31 | Devastator | gnarface how can i check my libc6 version? |
| 21:46.48 | gnarface | Devastator: probably a thousand ways but you could just type dpkg -l |grep libc |
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| 21:47.15 | gnarface | Devastator: or better yet dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
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| 21:48.14 | linduxed | hmmm |
| 21:48.19 | linduxed | that made me think of something |
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| 21:48.26 | linduxed | what FS does one use for /tmp? |
| 21:48.39 | linduxed | just the ordinary ext4? |
| 21:49.01 | Devastator | gnarface iptables-dev wasn't installed, let's see now |
| 21:49.09 | Black_Prince | you can use anything for /tmp |
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| 21:49.19 | linduxed | i'll go with ext4 then |
| 21:49.39 | Black_Prince | It should be mode 1777 ... so it really does not matter |
| 21:49.49 | Black_Prince | I use tmpfs there |
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| 21:50.05 | Black_Prince | But my /tmp never exceeded 5MB |
| 21:50.05 | karlpinc | Openvz or vserver? Any thoughts to share? Now I'm thinking the answer is probably lxc. |
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| 21:50.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so I'm about to go buy my first SSD. I assume that I want to do a clean install of debian cause I have no clue if there are any adjustments that I need to make to the OS, such as this trim feature etc. Please enlighten me, does debian support this trim feature, does it automatically detect an SSD on install and there is nothing else to do manually etc? |
| 21:51.23 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: What's "trim"? |
| 21:51.34 | linduxed | having swap on a encrypted logical volume isn't a problem right? |
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| 21:51.47 | karlpinc | linduxed: Not a problem. |
| 21:51.51 | linduxed | ok good |
| 21:51.53 | linduxed | thx |
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| 21:52.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | karlpinc: as far as I have understood, its like after you delete a file, the drive firmware and/or OS actually zeroes out the space so that the next time it writes to that space it doesnt have to waste time doing that. |
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| 21:53.19 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: Why would you care what's there if you're going to write to it anyway? |
| 21:53.19 | Black_Prince | linduxed: no .. It's recommended to have swap encrypted if using encrypted setup (I don't know why) |
| 21:54.45 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: Anyway, there's no difference between a SSD and a regular drive, but you may need to watch out for 4kb algnment issues. I believe the installer will just "do the right thing", but it wouldn't hurt to watch out and see. Especially because some drives lie about their alignment and add 1 sector offset to every sector. |
| 21:54.51 | karlpinc | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about 4kb |
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| 21:56.49 | moty66_ | how can I tell dpkg that GAWK is The Free Software foundation's version of awk |
| 21:57.16 | karlpinc | !tell moty66_ about dpkgbot |
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| 21:57.39 | karlpinc | moty66_: But that does not sound very useful and someone may delete it as cruft. |
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| 21:59.17 | moty66_ | karlpinc: I wanted to know what is the difference between awk and gawk, so I asked dpkg :) |
| 21:59.29 | calrogman | Black_Prince: It's to avoid putting the encryption key on disk. |
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| 22:00.30 | jhutchins | What are some tools to test webcams? Cheese saw the first one I tried, but not the second one, although dmesg seems happy enough with it. |
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| 22:02.04 | Devastator | ,versions libc6 |
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| 22:02.05 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; wheezy: 2.13-30; sid: 2.13-32 |
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| 22:05.46 | dzragon | A handjob for a solution to getting 120hz (or even 75/85hz) on my Syncmaster 2233rz (120hz), Geforce 460 SE 1gb, Ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 22:06.11 | karlpinc | !ubuntu dzragon |
| 22:06.11 | dpkg | dzragon: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users. |
| 22:06.28 | dzragon | yeye! :P |
| 22:06.40 | dzragon | getting desperate |
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| 22:07.10 | Devastator | karlpinc i think you just got a handjob |
| 22:08.13 | alex- | if someone used debian, put some software on it, and rename it, is it a different distro then? |
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| 22:09.21 | kryl | hi |
| 22:09.57 | kryl | I just clone /dev/sda1 windows 7 part, but when I restore it (with ntfsclone) windows stay locked at boot on the win logo :) what's wrong ? |
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| 22:12.16 | karlpinc | alex-: Depends. Id a different distro if it does not use the debian repos. (AFAIK) See: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends |
| 22:12.26 | alex- | it does uses the debian repos |
| 22:12.41 | alex- | it's just debian + 5 custom packages |
| 22:13.32 | karlpinc | alex-: Probably not debian. But you could make it debian, possibly. |
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| 22:14.05 | karlpinc | alex-: Then again, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Better to read the docs. |
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| 22:52.54 | xand | how do I change my X keyboard layout in testing... it is correct for console but not X, and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration doesn't work |
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| 22:59.06 | Some_Person | 🐧 |
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| 23:02.52 | Devastator | nsadmin ping? |
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| 23:02.59 | nsadmin | poop |
| 23:03.07 | Devastator | hah |
| 23:03.11 | nsadmin | oh, did I do dat?! |
| 23:03.15 | dvs | nsadmin: THE LANGUAGE! |
| 23:03.23 | nsadmin | english, right? |
| 23:03.32 | dvs | heh |
| 23:03.34 | nsadmin | !en |
| 23:03.35 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 23:03.36 | Devastator | nsadmin can I show you my pastebin? |
| 23:04.00 | nsadmin | umm sure :) be aware, I'm preparing for a performance tonite |
| 23:04.13 | Devastator | nsadmin http://codepad.org/42H8viT3 |
| 23:04.15 | Devastator | suggestions? |
| 23:04.30 | nsadmin | I suggest I put that url in my browser! |
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| 23:05.25 | Devastator | nsadmin what happened to you? some girl you have a crush said she loves you? |
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| 23:06.06 | nsadmin | apt-cache policy xtables-addons-common |
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| 23:06.27 | nsadmin | err, that[s not finished... |
| 23:06.28 | nsadmin | apt-cache policy xtables-addons-common | nopaste |
| 23:06.39 | trysten | laughs at nsadmins earlier suggestion |
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| 23:07.47 | themill | Devastator: are you trying to backport that package? |
| 23:07.53 | nsadmin | so just to make suer, I think I understood, and, xtables is addons to iptables |
| 23:07.58 | nsadmin | themill, yeah |
| 23:08.04 | nsadmin | well he is |
| 23:08.07 | Devastator | themill yes |
| 23:08.20 | themill | you'll need to adapt the packaging to cope with a non-multiarch world |
| 23:08.53 | nsadmin | themill, references for "multiarch" plz :) |
| 23:09.03 | themill | seriously... |
| 23:09.05 | Devastator | themill that's what I thought, I spend the whole day trying to understand why xtables-addons depends on multiarch-support |
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| 23:10.07 | nsadmin | themill, absolutely... I understand the word of course, and not how it's applied |
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| 23:10.37 | nsadmin | so really I want doc links for debian multiarch |
| 23:10.45 | themill | Devastator: Compare the location of libxt_ACCOUNT_cl.so.0 in http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/xtables-addons-common/filelist vs http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/xtables-addons-common/filelist |
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| 23:11.33 | themill | nsadmin: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+multiarch |
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| 23:12.06 | Devastator | themill what if I symlink? |
| 23:12.34 | trysten | Devastator: WHAT IF YOU SIMLYNK?! |
| 23:12.54 | themill | Devastator: removing the extra */ from debian/*install should be enough. (I have no idea if anything in squeeze is going to like this backported library, btw) |
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| 23:14.12 | Devastator | themill I don't know if that makes sense or not, but early today nsadmin checked backport of xtables-addons and judd returned no problems |
| 23:14.29 | Devastator | i think it was checkbackport xtables-addons |
| 23:14.31 | themill | Devastator: judd only said that the build-dependencies were satisfied. |
| 23:14.38 | Devastator | oh, ok! |
| 23:14.41 | nsadmin | themill, is it possible to do multiarch for widely varying arches? for example, does it make it easy to build arm packages on compilers built to run on amd64? |
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| 23:18.32 | genesi1 | hi |
| 23:18.36 | Devastator | themill is this a bug? should i report somewhere? |
| 23:19.39 | Devastator | it still fails when dh_install |
| 23:19.40 | nsadmin | Devastator, no, not a bug. it's multiarch setup which is really different to how things are in squeeze, especially in terms of where things go |
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| 23:19.59 | themill | Devastator: no, maintainers don't claim that packages should be trivial backports. That they often are is convenient but not something that is guaranteed or to be expected. Many packages in squeeze-backports have some extra work from the backporter |
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| 23:21.12 | nsadmin | Devastator, the doc themill referred me to earlier (http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch) shows how to convert the package... and you may have to do just that to get the package to build and fly in a multiarch env |
| 23:21.16 | Devastator | themill understood, I've removed extra dir from xtables-addons-1.42/debian/tmp/lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 23:21.38 | Devastator | nsadmin thanks I will read right now! |
| 23:21.53 | nsadmin | you may be able to "reverse" that, which you may have to do |
| 23:22.00 | themill | Devastator: when you dpkg-buildpackage the package, debian/tmp gets removed, btw |
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| 23:22.47 | Devastator | ok, i love to learn new things! |
| 23:23.06 | nsadmin | prepare yourself and jump in then :) |
| 23:24.19 | trysten | thinks that nsadmin is talking about imbibing caffine. |
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| 23:25.32 | nsadmin | while this could end up being a twisty maze of identical passages, you might get stuff out of it, not the least of which is a fairly robust comparison between non-multiarch (which everything squeeze and before is) and multiarch (which wheezy and after is) |
| 23:25.50 | nsadmin | trysten, nope, already imbibled |
| 23:26.25 | Devastator | i don't know if my work would be helpful for others, should I document it? share my packages? |
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| 23:27.30 | nsadmin | I'd say document it, make the packages available in what could be called a ppa |
| 23:28.28 | nsadmin | or commit the source changes to a github repo |
| 23:29.39 | trysten | keeps personal packages handy for when the time comes to migrate to a new system |
| 23:30.22 | Devastator | the-mill gave me a great tip, now trying to find the file he pointed.. |
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| 23:38.19 | Devastator | the only file i found with 'install' word was xtables-addons-common.install, but it doesn't mention extra.. it does have a line: usr/lib/*/lib*.so.*, which I changed to usr/lib/lib*.so.* to match squeeze location |
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| 23:39.08 | Devastator | I'm dumb and slow, but I can test and provide whatever info that is needed |
| 23:39.40 | themill | yeah, that's the change that I hope will be enough for you |
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| 23:40.15 | themill | seems to build fine now |
| 23:40.23 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, how do i write a cd image to a usb and make it bootable......the cd itself is bootable |
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| 23:44.33 | BtbN | put the files on it, install extlinux. Or if it's a usbstick-image, just dd it on it. But that only works with special prepared isos |
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| 23:45.53 | Devastator | themill not here :( |
| 23:46.12 | themill | Devastator: can you pastebin your output? |
| 23:46.34 | Devastator | themill sure, I have an old pastebin, but the error is the same |
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| 23:46.47 | Devastator | themill http://codepad.org/42H8viT3 |
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| 23:47.31 | themill | Devastator: are you sure you changed debian/xtables-addons-common.install there? |
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| 23:47.44 | Devastator | themill yes |
| 23:47.52 | Devastator | triple checked |
| 23:48.19 | themill | because that error makes it look like you didn't. Do you perhaps have two different copies of the source or something? |
| 23:49.39 | Devastator | themill when it fails I remove all xtables-addons files with rm -rf xtables-addons*, then type apt-get -b source xtables-addons, it fails, I edit xtables-addons-common.install and type apt-get -b source xtables-addons again |
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| 23:50.22 | Devastator | damn |
| 23:50.33 | Devastator | forget what I said, it worked now |
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| 23:51.26 | themill | :) use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" to build the package not apt-get source -b -- that will try to unpack the source again and would probably clobber your changes |
| 23:52.07 | trysten | why can't i just dd a bootable iso to a flash drive? |
| 23:52.26 | Devastator | themill dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us <packagename>? |
| 23:52.39 | trysten | or, more clearly, what exactly makes the flash drives booting different/ where can i find out more about that. |
| 23:52.53 | themill | Devastator: no, dpkg-buildpackage works on the current directory |
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| 23:54.13 | Devastator | themill so "apt-get source <package name>", then "cd <package name>", and the command you gave me |
| 23:54.44 | themill | yeah |
| 23:55.16 | Devastator | I don't remember if apt-get source already decompress source, but I think tar -zxvf does the job |
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| 23:55.52 | themill | Devastator: apt-get source will unpack the source. You'd use dpkg-source -x to unpack it if not. |
| 23:56.07 | peterrooney | there's also apt-src to work with |
| 23:56.17 | nevyn | Devastator: you need apt-get buildeps <package name> |
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| 23:56.52 | Devastator | got it, thanks guys! |
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