| 00:00.49 | DragonDon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.00 | andyjpb | DragonDon: nice shirt! |
| 00:01.00 | mynameisdeleted | with ext4 and fsck I should be back to either before the file write entirely... or after a finished write |
| 00:01.16 | DragonDon | Tried opening cheese but it won't, it's like another prog is managing it |
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| 00:01.22 | BenBE | andyjpb: Is raid6 known to be affected/unaffected by this issue? (I have a UPS on my server; just didn't want to rely on it yet). |
| 00:01.30 | DragonDon | andyjpb, Shirt? |
| 00:01.43 | mynameisdeleted | raid5 write hold does affect raid6, but not as often |
| 00:01.48 | andyjpb | BenBE: I think raid6 is ok but I've not used it |
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| 00:02.21 | mynameisdeleted | raid5 write hole depends on 2 errors creating correct parity and restorign data wrong for blocks that are partially written during a powerout |
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| 00:02.25 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 00:02.40 | mynameisdeleted | with raid6 you require 3 bit errors in a bad file |
| 00:02.49 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: raid-5 write hole is not to do with number of errors |
| 00:02.51 | BenBE | andyjpb mynameisdeleted k, enwp isn't clear on that. |
| 00:03.01 | andyjpb | it's to do with atomic commit of new data |
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| 00:03.11 | johnfg | I got a weird message after a reboot, something I've never seen before about .ICEauthority, and gdm. |
| 00:03.21 | mynameisdeleted | so if I have a partially written file during a powerout on raid5 I might have to re-create that file and fsck? |
| 00:03.40 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: Yes ;-) |
| 00:03.45 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: not exactly |
| 00:03.48 | mynameisdeleted | but I'm generally still safer with raid5 than raid0 right? |
| 00:04.00 | mynameisdeleted | or just lvm partitions |
| 00:04.01 | johnfg | I didn't change anything either. |
| 00:04.02 | mynameisdeleted | or a single disk |
| 00:04.11 | andyjpb | if you have a partially written file then in raid5 it's not possible to work out which disks are on which side of the tear |
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| 00:04.28 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: depends on what you mean by safer |
| 00:04.29 | mynameisdeleted | mdadm will pick somethign though... which may result in corrupted data |
| 00:04.36 | andyjpb | you're safest with raid1 |
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| 00:04.51 | mynameisdeleted | raid6 is close to as good as raid1? |
| 00:05.01 | andyjpb | raid1 and 0 won't lead to silent, undetectable corruption like 5 |
| 00:05.39 | mynameisdeleted | undetectable is relative right/ |
| 00:05.44 | andyjpb | no |
| 00:05.46 | andyjpb | not at all |
| 00:05.46 | mynameisdeleted | it onlyhappens when I have an unplanned shutdown |
| 00:05.58 | mynameisdeleted | and the file that is corrupted has a recent modification date |
| 00:06.00 | mynameisdeleted | or the direcotry does |
| 00:06.04 | andyjpb | no |
| 00:06.13 | andyjpb | it might happen in the fs metadata |
| 00:06.25 | mynameisdeleted | in which case the directory has a recent modification date |
| 00:06.36 | andyjpb | and given that that changes a lot during writes then it's quite likely |
| 00:06.55 | andyjpb | journalling fs doesn't help here |
| 00:07.22 | mynameisdeleted | so in some ways raid5 is worse than single disk? |
| 00:07.27 | andyjpb | absolutely |
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| 00:07.43 | mynameisdeleted | but raid6 is better? |
| 00:07.57 | andyjpb | I'm not sure: I've not used it |
| 00:08.09 | andyjpb | but it will depend on the exact write algorithm used. |
| 00:08.43 | andyjpb | I'd have to apply Maths and Thinking and it's too late for that here |
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| 00:09.12 | mynameisdeleted | have you experienced or detected write holes in your raid5? |
| 00:09.18 | johnfg | Where in logs would I find the message about ICEauthority? |
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| 00:09.27 | andyjpb | you can't detect them... you can only experience them |
| 00:09.36 | andyjpb | I've only ever used battery backed raid 5 for this reaso |
| 00:09.37 | andyjpb | n |
| 00:09.39 | mynameisdeleted | well. you can check a file and find its written wrong |
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| 00:09.45 | boudiccas | has anyone here got amarok to play micely under squeeze please? mine wanted me to recompile it |
| 00:09.58 | mynameisdeleted | you can read my_script.sh and find it looks like garbage |
| 00:10.03 | boudiccas | nicely |
| 00:10.07 | mynameisdeleted | or has bogus file perms |
| 00:10.13 | andyjpb | boudiccas: sorry. I only play rubbish music throught amarok ;-) |
| 00:10.28 | mynameisdeleted | and youd know if you had a disk failure or powerout |
| 00:10.29 | LtL | boudiccas: amarok plays fine on squeeze here using gnome |
| 00:10.32 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: only if you know what it should look like in the first plae |
| 00:10.42 | trysten | good afternoon #debian! |
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| 00:11.00 | mynameisdeleted | well.. with no raid you need 1 bit error for a fiel to be wrong |
| 00:11.04 | mynameisdeleted | with raid5 you need 2 right? |
| 00:11.11 | boudiccas | LtL: thats what i'm using gnome, but it never got beyond the splasch screen |
| 00:11.16 | mynameisdeleted | thats still safer |
| 00:11.34 | mynameisdeleted | 2 bit errors could mess up raid1 with 2 drives as well |
| 00:11.40 | LtL | boudiccas: I have no trouble at all just apt-got it! |
| 00:11.44 | mynameisdeleted | if both drives have 0 written to a sector it wil read as 0 |
| 00:11.50 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: it depends on how the errors are introduced |
| 00:12.10 | andyjpb | with raid1 you always know which disk you write to first for each sector and therefore which data is newest |
| 00:12.18 | andyjpb | with raid5 you don't know that |
| 00:12.24 | boudiccas | LtL: did youi get it from backports or a different repo please? |
| 00:12.25 | LtL | boudiccas: I do not have pulseaudio installed, for what it's worth. |
| 00:12.29 | mynameisdeleted | you could tweak the algorithm to write the disks in order |
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| 00:12.38 | mynameisdeleted | well.. not quite |
| 00:12.50 | andyjpb | if you did that then raid 5 wouldn't be very performant |
| 00:12.55 | mynameisdeleted | if disk1 is written.. then disk2 and disk3 recreate old disk1 |
| 00:12.57 | LtL | boudiccas: not backported, i installed it shortly after i installed squeeze. |
| 00:13.05 | andyjpb | anyway, I'll leave you with google as I need a petite nap |
| 00:13.12 | mynameisdeleted | if disk1 and disk2 are written then disk3 is parodied |
| 00:13.14 | boudiccas | hmmm, maybe i'll rty again then, thanks |
| 00:13.26 | LtL | boudiccas: welcome, good luck |
| 00:13.36 | andyjpb | what you're describing sounds very much like raid2,3and4 |
| 00:14.32 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: raid-5 is explicitly striping with *distributed* parity |
| 00:14.54 | andyjpb | the non-distributed parity raids end up with hotspots on the parity disk |
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| 00:17.55 | BenBE | still likes raid666 best; the RAID of the BEast :P |
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| 00:19.34 | mynameisdeleted | so.. wen I buy a 4th spare disk I shoudl make it raid6 isntead of raid5 with a spare |
| 00:19.42 | mynameisdeleted | thats the best data-protection for buying a spare disk |
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| 00:20.22 | mynameisdeleted | I had 6 sata slots and no spare pci, pcie, or other slots other than usb |
| 00:20.36 | mynameisdeleted | so I could use either network over infiniband or gigabit ethernet for a cdrom or dvd drive |
| 00:20.37 | mynameisdeleted | or usb |
| 00:20.43 | mynameisdeleted | or firewire |
| 00:20.44 | boudiccas | can someone just confirm for me please, sudo apt-get purge ...... clears the cache doesnt it? |
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| 00:20.56 | simonlnu | clean |
| 00:21.01 | BenBE | boudiccas: No, but apt-get clean does. |
| 00:21.19 | boudiccas | simonlnu: bugger, i got it wrong. thanks |
| 00:21.19 | BenBE | purge removes the config alongside the package. |
| 00:21.24 | mynameisdeleted | 6*3TB raid6 is 12TB total and quite decent storage |
| 00:21.45 | mynameisdeleted | given the sum of the disks is 18TB 12TB is still most of it |
| 00:21.45 | BenBE | Unfortunately HDD are still kinda expensive ... |
| 00:22.10 | mynameisdeleted | so I can wait for 3TB to go down in price before I add |
| 00:22.23 | mynameisdeleted | and be happy with 6 for now |
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| 00:23.03 | BenBE | has 3.6TiB of storage available for files ... yet only 18GiB are actually free :( |
| 00:23.04 | mynameisdeleted | I have a heavy duty ups, and a good brand powersupply rated at 1250 watts |
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| 00:23.34 | mynameisdeleted | I'm tryi9ng to squeeze df / down to 10% or so so I can just not worry |
| 00:23.46 | mynameisdeleted | then IU might remove most of my old ubuntu install that I put in /old and replaced with debian |
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| 00:24.22 | mynameisdeleted | I got tired of unity and ubuntu taking too much control of automatically generated config files that I wanted to manually edit |
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| 00:25.00 | mynameisdeleted | and on moms laptop.. ubuntu maid wifi+wps a pain....... on debian it just worked |
| 00:25.13 | BenBE | I just killed Unity and switched to LXDE ... Still even runs on 486 with only 512 MB of RAM ... |
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| 00:25.38 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: Usually WiFi is the other way around; but depends on the kernel used. |
| 00:26.08 | mynameisdeleted | http://www.okser.net/~stv/shot48.png |
| 00:26.09 | BenBE | For my netbook I had to use some custom-compiled kernels as the ones provided by Ubuntu just simply panicked when a packet came in :P |
| 00:26.18 | mynameisdeleted | I like to use my custom kernel and have the os never over-ride that |
| 00:26.24 | mynameisdeleted | that my desktop I use often |
| 00:26.27 | mynameisdeleted | 100% motif based |
| 00:26.33 | mynameisdeleted | and made to look like old irix or irix-ish |
| 00:26.36 | mynameisdeleted | also opencde |
| 00:26.44 | riddlebox | BenBE, I thought about doing that with ubuntu, but I just went the straight debian route, because I think that just downloading ubuntu tells them people like unity...so I will either download xubuntu or just put debian with xfce on machines from now on |
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| 00:26.55 | mynameisdeleted | http://www.okser.net/~stv/shot35.png |
| 00:27.02 | mynameisdeleted | 16-bit color irix-like env |
| 00:27.10 | mynameisdeleted | that looks more traditional unix-ish |
| 00:27.16 | trysten | how popular is the htop program? anyone here use it? |
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| 00:27.39 | simonlnu | !popcon |
| 00:27.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 00:28.01 | mynameisdeleted | comercial cde is probably going gpl soon along with comercial motif used to build it |
| 00:28.10 | mynameisdeleted | so then I can make that my default for debian |
| 00:28.14 | BenBE | riddlebox: I originally had Ubuntu; but switched to Lubuntu quite a while back; when DLing live systems I ALWAYS dl the ones with either GNOME 2.3 or Kubuntu OR Lubuntu; but NEVER with Unity ... |
| 00:28.50 | mynameisdeleted | any opinions of open-sourced cde as a debian gui? |
| 00:28.58 | pacsman | Hello, having probleme with ssh, i can login into the server using (open-ssh trough LAN), but i cant do it using WAN, thx |
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| 00:29.43 | mynameisdeleted | my graphical apps when I swithc to all motif apps... axeneoffice(now gpl) and motif based file manger and nedit for text-editing/coding etc |
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| 00:29.47 | mynameisdeleted | goes to like under 20MB |
| 00:29.48 | riddlebox | yeah I dont want Ubuntu to think there are more people out the using unity than there are....personally I cant stand it, I can never find an app menu where you can scroll through apps..what if you dont know which "Internet" apps you have... |
| 00:29.51 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: Your desktop background is from Sintel ... Really liked that dragon :P |
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| 00:30.28 | BenBE | trysten: Using it all the time; always HATE it when I have to install it on Ubuntu by hand ... |
| 00:30.37 | mynameisdeleted | once I Get my irix-like desktop env polished is debian open to packaging stuff on official mirrors provided it can be 100% gpl? |
| 00:30.41 | BenBE | Same with screen and mc which are missing there by default ... |
| 00:30.42 | mynameisdeleted | except for image icons |
| 00:31.02 | simonlnu | mynameisdeleted: dfsg free goes in main. |
| 00:31.07 | simonlnu | !dsfg |
| 00:31.07 | dpkg | Do you mean DFSG? |
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| 00:31.13 | simonlnu | !dfsg |
| 00:31.13 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 00:31.19 | simonlnu | mynameisdeleted: ^^^ |
| 00:31.22 | damaxus | , versions xl2tpd |
| 00:31.23 | judd | Package: xl2tpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.0+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.2.7+dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.1+dfsg-1; wheezy: 1.3.1+dfsg-1 |
| 00:31.27 | mynameisdeleted | image icons will be tricky as those come from a real sgi and sig only gave permission to put on x86 linux distros or x86_64 or ia64 |
| 00:31.30 | damaxus | , versions openl2tp |
| 00:31.31 | judd | No package named 'openl2tp' was found in i386. |
| 00:31.39 | riddlebox | is there a debian testing livecd? |
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| 00:31.55 | mynameisdeleted | but I can make some other set of icons that dont look like irix for other cpus or for freebsd or wahtever |
| 00:32.05 | BenBE | pacsman: Can you reach the port from WAN? Or does it connect and then just reject login? |
| 00:32.29 | simonlnu | uh, i doubt they can restrict those icons to an *architecture*. are you sure about that? |
| 00:32.48 | mynameisdeleted | thats the license sgi gave when they said the maxxdesktop.org website could use those icons |
| 00:33.01 | mynameisdeleted | they were grabbed from official irix which sgi owns and the permission is in writing |
| 00:33.12 | mynameisdeleted | sgi doesnt own any copyright to any other part of that project |
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| 00:33.32 | pacsman | BenBE i think its rejecting connection, anyway to know if its true N |
| 00:34.48 | mynameisdeleted | you can use non-gpl icons in nautilus and distribute nautilus gpl as well with open-sourced icons as a default |
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| 00:35.16 | mynameisdeleted | I probably copy icons from some kde theme for those that sgi wont let use their icons |
| 00:35.46 | BenBE | pacsman: Just try netcat host 22. If it opens up a connection you should just find yourself a field to type; if not it should be giving you an error message. |
| 00:36.21 | mynameisdeleted | I'm thinking the irix -theme on this desktop has to be in non-free |
| 00:36.28 | mynameisdeleted | but the desktop env itself can be in free |
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| 00:36.59 | BenBE | But ssh usually should tell you too: If it says "Cannot connect to ..." it cannot reach the port, if it says "Connection refused" it could not login. |
| 00:37.53 | mynameisdeleted | if you install fre package only you get an sgi-inspired theme thats all origional artwork |
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| 00:39.11 | pacsman | BenBE: connection refused ! |
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| 00:40.16 | BenBE | k, than go to /var/log/auth.log. Should provide you some information why it was rejecting. |
| 00:40.23 | BenBE | Also you might try ssh -v |
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| 00:42.27 | mynameisdeleted | any opinions of OCZ gold+ certified 1250 watt power supply? |
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| 00:42.37 | mynameisdeleted | is ocz ok for psu? |
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| 00:42.54 | pfred1 | mynameisdeleted ask in ##hardware |
| 00:43.19 | boudiccas | LtL: no, i confirm that amarok from the standard repos does not work under gnome on this machine |
| 00:43.50 | LtL | boudiccas: that's where i got it from |
| 00:44.43 | boudiccas | LtL: i alstered my sources.list to exclude multimedia so i know its the standard repo. hang on an di'll pastebin the cli errors |
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| 00:46.53 | pfred1 | never really understood what "multimedia" ever was |
| 00:46.54 | r4co0n | G'mornin from Germany... I need to setup a dyndns-service. I got one machine changing ip having to stream to another. So I want both of them to be found via a local uri. Is this a good approach and what software would you recommend? It's gotta work reliable for 2h but needn't be perfect nor especially secure... |
| 00:48.38 | boudiccas | is paste.debian down? i cant get any response from it |
| 00:49.07 | r4co0n | boudiccas, paste.debian.net looks up from here |
| 00:49.07 | DragonDon | pinged fine here |
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| 00:50.01 | r4co0n | its not paste.debian.org, confuses me sometimes... |
| 00:50.43 | boudiccas | this is what i dont get any resposne from ......... www.debian.paste.net ??? |
| 00:51.04 | pfred1 | boudiccas it is slow but it works here |
| 00:51.05 | streuner | r4co0n: debian.net is for DD's to make there own special stuff |
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| 00:51.38 | LtL | I just got this message using pastebinit: THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
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| 00:52.54 | pacsman | BenBE: log says nothing |
| 00:53.21 | boudiccas | bollox, i'm not going to sign up to pastebin, they can go whistle |
| 00:53.36 | r4co0n | boudiccas, if u are still struggling, i can neither resolve www.debian.paste.net |
| 00:53.54 | r4co0n | boudiccas, use paste.debian.net and forget about registration |
| 00:54.02 | pfred1 | r4co0n http://paste.debian.net/ works |
| 00:54.17 | r4co0n | y |
| 00:54.48 | streuner | amset:/# ping -c1 www.paste.debian.net |
| 00:54.49 | streuner | pingveno: unknown host www.paste.debian.net |
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| 00:55.45 | pfred1 | streuner perhaps paste.debian.net is not in the Wild Wild West? |
| 00:55.59 | boudiccas | LtL: amarok cli error response at |
| 00:56.16 | LtL | boudiccas: this is my sources.list, amarok came from one of 'em. http://paste.debian.net/167486/ |
| 00:56.21 | boudiccas | http://paste.debian.net/167487/ |
| 00:56.49 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.07 | streuner | pfred1: hehe, the orginal question was, is paste.debian.net or not :-) |
| 00:57.15 | streuner | up* |
| 00:57.27 | LtL | boudiccas: i dunno, try re-installing via synaptic and look for the gazillion dependancies it asks for. |
| 00:57.44 | LtL | boudiccas: i'm om amd64 btw |
| 00:58.15 | pfred1 | LtL bash: synaptic: command not found |
| 00:58.58 | boudiccas | LtL: i still use i386, not got into teh 21 century yet with my computers. this current one is one i was given, minus one side panel but operates nice and smoothly and virtually no sound either :) |
| 00:59.13 | pfred1 | boudiccas WTG! me too! |
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| 00:59.48 | pfred1 | boudiccas i had to buy this machine at a senior center for $1 |
| 01:00.31 | boudiccas | pfred1: i was given mine to clear a bit more space in someones loft :) |
| 01:01.07 | LtL | pfred1: /usr/sbin/synaptic note, it seems to start up in cli but it's a gui app |
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| 01:01.58 | pfred1 | LtL I never installed it p synaptic - Graphical package manager |
| 01:02.22 | LtL | pfred1: it's installed by default with Gnome |
| 01:02.33 | pfred1 | LtL I never installed Gnome either :) |
| 01:02.37 | LtL | ever since i can remember |
| 01:02.55 | pfred1 | keep your smelly feet off of my PCs! |
| 01:03.00 | LtL | pfred1: ah! that would explain it :) |
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| 01:05.14 | pfred1 | LtL it is fair to say that Gnome and I have gotten off on the wrong foot so to speak |
| 01:05.41 | pacsman | Hello, having probleme with ssh, i can login into the server(open-ssh) using LAN, but i cant do it using WAN (connection refused), thx |
| 01:06.26 | trysten | pfred1: are you typing your targets manually or is your irc client simply configured to omit the colon after your targets name? |
| 01:06.39 | LtL | pfred1: that depends, you must prefer a different desktop. i've used kde, xfce, but i usually revert to gnome. |
| 01:06.47 | zukalk | hi. i think there's a declaration missing on my wheezy's stdio.h. according to the manpage, getline should be in there. problem is, libc6-dev is tied to dozens of other packages on the bugzilla, which makes it hard to look for an open bug report. is there any person or group i should get in touch with about this? |
| 01:06.49 | trysten | pacsman: what WAN is that |
| 01:06.52 | pfred1 | trysten I copy paste nicknames I don't like colons after them |
| 01:07.30 | streuner | pacsman: did you disalbe eth0 before you try WLAN? |
| 01:07.31 | pacsman | trysten; i mean from an external network such internet :) |
| 01:07.50 | pacsman | wan not wlan |
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| 01:07.57 | streuner | ok |
| 01:08.00 | trysten | pfred1: i see. for your information i just type pf and hit tab to get your entire name. my client intelligently remembers the last ones, so i can just type p <TAB> to get your name if i want. |
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| 01:08.16 | LtL | pacsman: can you 'tail -f /var/log/auth.log on the ssh target box... i.e., is it a local machine, like right in front of you? |
| 01:08.17 | pfred1 | trysten I am aware of how tab completion works |
| 01:09.22 | pfred1 | trysten I do use it in bash when gpm isn't enabled and I'm stuck in the console |
| 01:09.22 | r4co0n | pfred1, irc clients normally let u configure how they autocomplete, i like a comma more than a dash tooo... |
| 01:09.32 | trysten | pacsman: right then. have you taken care of the NAT configuration? |
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| 01:10.07 | pfred1 | r4co0n I've been doing it this way for quite some time I doubt I am going to change any time too soon |
| 01:10.09 | pacsman | yes trysten it refuses connection not dont find host |
| 01:10.12 | trysten | pfred1: holy crap. i didn't know gpm was a thing. ew. i don't even have a mouse plugged in XD |
| 01:10.22 | pacsman | LtL: it says nothing about sshd |
| 01:10.30 | r4co0n | pfred1 nevermind |
| 01:10.30 | trysten | pfred1: seems like we are on opposite ends of that spectrum. |
| 01:10.30 | boudiccas | what a horrible thing synaptic is! i much prefer apt-get |
| 01:10.44 | pfred1 | boudiccas I mostly use aptitude today |
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| 01:11.03 | streuner | !connection refused |
| 01:11.03 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 01:11.09 | LtL | pacsman: it says 'host not found' is that the message? |
| 01:11.22 | pacsman | LtL: connection refused |
| 01:11.43 | boudiccas | pfred1: each to their own :) |
| 01:11.53 | LtL | pacsman: thats what i thought you said, you're not trying as root are you |
| 01:12.09 | trysten | pacsman: i think it would say that if you didn't have NAT configured properly.. |
| 01:12.13 | pfred1 | boudiccas from reading on Debian's website it seems they promote aptitude as the official best choice today |
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| 01:12.28 | LtL | pacsman: read the auth.log on the target host, that will say why, or should |
| 01:12.38 | pingveno | streuner: I take it that was not aimed at me. |
| 01:12.40 | trysten | boudiccas: pfred1 is a little strange! he uses a mouse in the console |
| 01:13.05 | pfred1 | trysten why not? it is easier than the arrow keys |
| 01:13.48 | streuner | pingveno: sorry, pasting it, just uses autocompletition... |
| 01:13.48 | o11c | yeah, I use gpm |
| 01:13.52 | o11c | mostly for copy-paste |
| 01:13.54 | pacsman | trysten: nat is good, as if i change conf, it says host not found |
| 01:14.21 | pfred1 | o11c I haven't for a long time but there was a time that I did and i wouldn't sell it short today |
| 01:14.27 | pacsman | LtL: tail auth.log as root says nothing about ssh logs |
| 01:14.27 | pingveno | streuner: I get pinged even more when I use the nick 'alevar'. |
| 01:14.31 | LtL | pacsman: dpkg's message is clear, you sure sshd is running? |
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| 01:14.56 | streuner | pingveno: why alevar? |
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| 01:15.11 | LtL | pacsman: auth.log on the target logs any ssh attempts |
| 01:15.33 | pingveno | 'a' |
| 01:15.33 | pacsman | LtL: i can log trought LAN |
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| 01:16.32 | LtL | pacsman: tail -f /var/log/auth.log is a way to watch the file as it is being written to, monitor that while attempting to connect if the box is in front of you. |
| 01:16.59 | streuner | pingveno: well, maybe you change your nick like the bots do, via ! or @ :-P |
| 01:17.27 | r4co0n | pacsman, get ssh access via lan and run as root "tail /var/log/auth.log" and look for messages by sshd |
| 01:17.55 | streuner | pingveno: something somebody wouldnt use for a first sign... |
| 01:17.59 | LtL | pacsman: sounds like port forwarding is wrong. |
| 01:19.07 | streuner | pingveno: nah, its just a joke, usually ping as a start isnt used many times... |
| 01:19.14 | LtL | pacsman: double check it's ip and the router config |
| 01:19.17 | streuner | IMO |
| 01:19.37 | r4co0n | pacsman, is there a ListenAddress defined in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:20.09 | boudiccas | no, amarok didnt work, even when installed with synaptic, exactly the same error message as before. i give up with it, i'll soon delete it i think |
| 01:20.14 | r4co0n | pacsman, "cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config|grep ListenAddress" |
| 01:20.43 | pacsman | r4co0n: 0.0.0.0 |
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| 01:20.52 | pfred1 | boudiccas have you tried building it from source? |
| 01:21.28 | LtL | boudiccas: i see alot of various forum messages about that error you get. |
| 01:21.55 | boudiccas | pfred1: shouldnt need to if its already in the repos |
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| 01:22.32 | pfred1 | boudiccas apparently that one does not work for you |
| 01:22.46 | LtL | pacsman: ssh'd from lan, do you see the attempt ssh'ing from wan or not |
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| 01:23.06 | pacsman | LtL i cant see the wan's one |
| 01:23.45 | LtL | pacsman: it says what, attempt denied? |
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| 01:24.09 | pacsman | it says nothing on logs about wan attempts |
| 01:24.15 | pacsman | only lan |
| 01:24.55 | trysten | pacsman: i still think it's your nat. where are these WAN attempts coming from? perhaps the same lan but entering your gateways external IP instead of the local machines? |
| 01:25.06 | LtL | pacsman: look at your port forwarding addresses in your router, i can't think of anything else..you're not hitting the box |
| 01:25.51 | streuner | auth.logs shows only connections which was sucessful? |
| 01:25.59 | pacsman | forwarding the port 22, and setting up a dmz is enough ? |
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| 01:26.38 | LtL | pacsman: the dmz must have an ip, and the dmz has no firewall btw |
| 01:27.01 | ag4ve | i'm having some video problems (or it just looks like it freezes with a blinking cursor after the boot menu) with an install with kvm. what i'm currently using is: virt-install --connect qemu:///system -n mysql -r 512 --vcpus 1 --disk path=/dev/zvol/main/mysql --cdrom /home/iso/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso --os-type=linux --os-variant=debiansqueeze --accelerate --network=bridge:br0 --nographics -v -d |
| 01:27.17 | pacsman | yes, i set the server IP as dmz |
| 01:27.32 | boudiccas | Although i havent been able to get amarok working, i'm using a clone called "Minirok" which i've just installed and it seems to be very good so far :) |
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| 01:28.03 | ag4ve | and, with the default, i get: Undefined video mode number: 314, if i change vga=normal it starts to boot then i get just the blinking cursor. any ideas? |
| 01:28.19 | r4co0n | pacsman, can you ping the ssh-server from web? |
| 01:28.31 | LtL | pacsman: well that's just plain weird. |
| 01:28.32 | pacsman | it actually pings the router |
| 01:29.02 | LtL | pacsman: you certain the server's ip is correct |
| 01:29.15 | r4co0n | anything that could be your logins in the router-logs? |
| 01:29.15 | pfred1 | boudiccas finding an alternative app is another solution |
| 01:29.32 | seeker61 | looking for a good html editor for squeeze |
| 01:29.40 | pacsman | LtL: yup lol im loging normally ssh trough lan |
| 01:30.04 | LtL | pacsman: the lan has a subnet ip, not a world routable ip |
| 01:30.18 | trysten | what is the purpose of /var |
| 01:30.20 | streuner | seeker61: dont ask such questions in a Linux channel, but i prefer Iceape Composer :-) |
| 01:30.24 | pfred1 | seeker61 I don't know what your standards are but there is bluefish the kde text editors seem to syntax lighlight too so does xemacs for that matter |
| 01:30.52 | LtL | pacsman: you need to set the dmz address to your wan ip |
| 01:30.57 | trysten | nevermind, dpkg answered my question >.> |
| 01:31.04 | pfred1 | seeker61 I've even used the thing in openoffice it is OK for making simple tables |
| 01:31.33 | streuner | seeker61: most people use a simple text editor |
| 01:31.54 | pfred1 | streuner syntax highlighting is nice |
| 01:32.00 | r4co0n | pacsman, is this the first time you connect to this box from www, or was this working already? |
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| 01:32.28 | pacsman | first time |
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| 01:33.15 | seeker61 | ok thanks guys |
| 01:33.40 | r4co0n | pacsman, you need to setup your nat to forward connections to a specific port, say 2202, to your local ssh boxes ip at port 22 if not configured otherwise. |
| 01:34.33 | pacsman | 22->22 wont work ? |
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| 01:34.59 | trysten | r4co0n: that's what i've been saying. |
| 01:35.02 | LtL | pacsman: yes it should but what ip are you using |
| 01:35.05 | streuner | sure, it works, if its correctly configured... |
| 01:35.05 | r4co0n | pacsman, sure will, you reduce noise from attackers by switching port, its just oscurity |
| 01:35.32 | r4co0n | trysten, i know, just want pacsman to understand too ;) |
| 01:35.36 | streuner | 22 for ssh is lame |
| 01:35.52 | streuner | ... |
| 01:36.20 | o11c | there's no strong reason not to use port 22 ... that's what it's *for* |
| 01:36.37 | o11c | the whole idea of ssh is that it doesn't need to hide |
| 01:36.46 | r4co0n | ollc, you are right, but im fed up with noisy logs |
| 01:36.52 | o11c | then log less |
| 01:36.58 | trysten | laughs |
| 01:36.58 | LtL | pacsman: one question, are you typing 'ssh user@192.168.x.x''? cuz that won't work from the outside the lan |
| 01:37.02 | pfred1 | or turn off the service |
| 01:37.18 | pacsman | LtL: im using putty |
| 01:37.29 | LtL | pacsman: doesnt matter |
| 01:37.43 | pacsman | im using external ip |
| 01:38.04 | LtL | pacsman: putty should work fine, ok external is correct..hrm |
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| 01:38.29 | r4co0n | o11c, rather many false positives than one false negative... |
| 01:39.07 | pacsman | iptables are off, hosts.deny are okay |
| 01:39.41 | LtL | pacsman: iptables are ineffective for a dmx'd box |
| 01:39.50 | LtL | dmz'd |
| 01:40.16 | LtL | excuse me, they are, but the router firewall isn't |
| 01:40.17 | pfred1 | LtL I thought dmx was a hip hop band I'd missed out on |
| 01:40.28 | BenBE | pacsman: DMZ and Port Forwarding are two different things ... |
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| 01:40.41 | LtL | pfred1: heh, i always think of them too |
| 01:41.12 | pacsman | i did dmz in case of |
| 01:41.15 | LtL | pacsman: the dmz is wide open, no forwarding required iirc |
| 01:41.37 | pacsman | ssh2 is using random ports i think |
| 01:41.45 | streuner | heh |
| 01:41.55 | Diopter | .... lolwut |
| 01:42.03 | streuner | must be a new feature :-) |
| 01:42.05 | Diopter | Looks like some awesome networking confusion up in here. |
| 01:42.13 | pacsman | niahahaha |
| 01:42.30 | r4co0n | it is using random ports for the connection, iirc, but not for the auth |
| 01:42.43 | pacsman | yes |
| 01:42.43 | Diopter | r4co0n: Are you talking about *source* ports? |
| 01:43.15 | r4co0n | possibly, sry, im still learning when it comes it ip |
| 01:43.22 | LtL | pacsman: i rarely use putty, tell it to use port 22 |
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| 01:43.47 | pfred1 | r4co0n not me i enjoy a good mystery |
| 01:43.48 | BenBE | trysten: /var is for VARiable data ;-) |
| 01:44.03 | BenBE | While /usr is for Unix Shared Resources ;-) |
| 01:44.04 | streuner | hehe |
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| 01:46.19 | BenBE | r4co0n pacsman 22->22 might not work with certain routers that provide SSH on that port themself or use some weird "security features" that block that port from being forwarded. Avoiding it avoids problems usually. |
| 01:46.50 | pfred1 | BenBE I was thinking something like that might be going on |
| 01:47.10 | pacsman | ok trying it |
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| 01:47.29 | pfred1 | BenBE my verizon router seems to run some kind of Linux |
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| 01:49.24 | LtL | pacsman: erase the port forwarding setup for ssh, a dmz box is open directly to the wan maybe that'll work. |
| 01:50.14 | boudiccas | whats the key presses for paste in emacs please? i cant see it in googling |
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| 01:50.30 | LtL | boudiccas: to do what |
| 01:50.31 | Diopter | boudiccas: C-y |
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| 01:50.38 | Diopter | boudiccas: M-y to cycle between kills |
| 01:50.44 | LtL | boudiccas: oh, missed that sorry. |
| 01:50.45 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 01:50.57 | pacsman | LtL: ok im trying that, and swtiching forward 61000->22 |
| 01:51.06 | Diopter | boudiccas: If you haven't done the emacs tutorial, you really should. Not sure how you're using emacs without knowing kill/yank (cut/paste) :P |
| 01:51.11 | streuner | omg, somebody who using emacs, i feel old |
| 01:51.26 | LtL | pacsman: you shouldnt need to port forward at all |
| 01:51.40 | Diopter | streuner: .... lots of people are using emacs. Don't feel too old. It's very actively developed, and the keybindings exist in hundreds of other common, popular software :P |
| 01:51.44 | nsadmin | boudiccas I love emacs... emacs is weird... |
| 01:52.58 | nsadmin | streuner, I run psql in emacs shell when I'm testing or trying to put together a data model... because, I can save it |
| 01:54.14 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i pin xorg from testing in an default unstable? i tried this in /etc/apt/preferences http://pastebin.com/NzaeQ9tc |
| 01:54.24 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 01:54.24 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Squeeze, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 01:54.37 | Diopter | nsadmin: emacs is a fantastic operating system, with a decent text editor somewhere in it ;) |
| 01:54.48 | streuner | ponyofdeath: so you are using sid and you have issues? |
| 01:55.13 | streuner | nowadays? |
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| 01:55.38 | ponyofdeath | streuner: yeah fglrx |
| 01:55.43 | ponyofdeath | streuner: need the older X |
| 01:55.54 | ponyofdeath | so i need to downgrade |
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| 01:58.10 | pacsman | hi again |
| 01:58.19 | dvs | hides |
| 01:58.44 | streuner | too (X downgrade) |
| 01:58.59 | BenBE | pfred1: Most common "plastic" routers run some Linux or Unix ... Most of them using Busybox and some weird configuration of a web server with CGI for the dynamic reconfiguration. |
| 01:59.18 | pfred1 | BenBE mine has a web interface |
| 01:59.28 | xtu | no sound in kvm |
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| 01:59.45 | BenBE | boudiccas: The keypresses in vi are ESC : q ! ENTER FWIW ;-) |
| 01:59.54 | craigevil | ponyofdeath, just downgrade then put the packages on hold |
| 01:59.55 | streuner | ponyofdeath: i tried personally downgrading X in a few cases without sucess, but ATI is a different story... |
| 02:00.02 | LtL | pacsman: is your server your current ip here on irc, cuz it can get a login |
| 02:00.04 | r4co0n | pfred1, BenBE:"some weird configuration of a web server with CGI" |
| 02:00.38 | r4co0n | thinks it gets interesting... |
| 02:00.50 | pacsman | LtL thats my router |
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| 02:01.27 | pfred1 | r4co0n it is so simple a 6 year old could do it unfortunately I don't have any kids ... |
| 02:01.57 | LtL | pacsman: i see. i would disable that, but thats just me. |
| 02:02.00 | r4co0n | pfred1, maybe a chimpansee? |
| 02:02.04 | ponyofdeath | streuner: so whats the best way to downgrade |
| 02:02.10 | GG111 | I'm running ./configure on Cboard (Chess frontend) and getting "error: Missing or incomplete curses installation." , what shall I do to fix it? |
| 02:02.14 | pfred1 | r4co0n too much to clean up after |
| 02:02.27 | streuner | ponyofdeath: well, what about VESA, is that enough for you? |
| 02:02.33 | GG111 | dpkg -l curses does have output |
| 02:02.35 | dpkg | ii curses does have output 2.6-4.3 gg111's private porn collection |
| 02:02.43 | boudiccas | BenBE: thanks, but i dont need the key presses for vi, i'm using emacs and thats what i asked about |
| 02:02.44 | r4co0n | pfred1, self-cleaning monkey, now i gotta go off for some bio-engineering |
| 02:02.54 | Diopter | lawlz, dpkg is trolling you |
| 02:03.00 | trysten | laughs at dpkg |
| 02:03.06 | pacsman | LtL: pm |
| 02:03.18 | LtL | pacsman: yeah sure |
| 02:03.19 | Diopter | GG111: You probably need some variety of -dev package. ncurses-dev, libncurses-dev, libcurses-dev, something similar |
| 02:03.22 | GG111 | I guess dpkg's being funny |
| 02:03.51 | dvs | or telling the truth! |
| 02:03.53 | dvs | ;-P |
| 02:04.01 | BenBE | pfred1: Yeah, that's done by some mini webserver (usually lighttp) on a /var/www which is symlinked from somewhere else with the CGI mixed in. |
| 02:04.16 | BenBE | Your stomach usually feels better if you don't look at it in too much detail ;-) |
| 02:04.36 | pfred1 | BenBE I've seen it and that is as far as I got |
| 02:05.08 | ponyofdeath | streuner: nah its for a mediapc |
| 02:05.14 | streuner | ponyofdeath: using another driver would be easier solution, IMO |
| 02:05.22 | ponyofdeath | streuner: i already tried ati |
| 02:05.31 | ponyofdeath | it chopps up very bad |
| 02:06.04 | pfred1 | BenBE in years gone by I've run publically accessible web servers off my desktop but no more with that router everything is blocked off |
| 02:06.41 | streuner | ponyofdeath: i have no experiences with ATI/fglyx, just /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 02:07.35 | r4co0n | I need to get two machines that work on dynamic ip to talk to each other continously, e.g., recreate link when ips change. I cannot devise static ips, but have a static server on the same subnet that could provide handshake capabilities of some sort. |
| 02:07.57 | r4co0n | Any idea what approach would be sensible? |
| 02:08.27 | GG111 | Diopter: that did it, thank you ! |
| 02:08.45 | o11c | r4co0n: use zeroconf/avahi or something |
| 02:08.51 | GG111 | woohoo, I no longer need GUI in order to play chess :) |
| 02:09.02 | o11c | r4co0n: I forget exactly how I got it to work, but the have a .local name |
| 02:09.07 | BenBE | pfred1: I was running one too; but recently that PC has been off due to me being some other place. |
| 02:09.18 | r4co0n | o11c, im gonna look into them, thank you |
| 02:09.23 | o11c | r4co0n: or is it called mdns ? |
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| 02:09.54 | o11c | r4co0n: it's hard to tell which one is the application and which one is the protocol sometimes |
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| 02:10.14 | pfred1 | BenBE I have one on my LAN but I don't even bother with it I use nfs |
| 02:10.24 | BenBE | Well, I'm off ... Bed is 800meters away ... |
| 02:10.39 | BenBE | pfred1: I've switched to sshfs recently; works like a charm ;-) |
| 02:10.43 | r4co0n | we need to establish a fullhd-videolink on a lte mobile network, its kinda cool, tv comes and stuff :P |
| 02:11.17 | streuner | BenBE: sounds like a hotel |
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| 02:11.58 | streuner | rather an office, who would work in a hotel... |
| 02:12.01 | boudiccas | does anyone know of a program that will convert a wav file to mp3 please? |
| 02:12.08 | streuner | lame |
| 02:12.20 | o11c | boudiccas: or ffmpeg |
| 02:12.38 | craigevil | lame, ffmpeg, soundconverter |
| 02:13.07 | pfred1 | youtube probably does that too |
| 02:13.11 | boudiccas | ok, i'll refine my question .... does anyone know of a gui program that will convert a wav to mp3 please? |
| 02:13.20 | o11c | who uses gui programs? |
| 02:13.29 | streuner | true |
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| 02:13.45 | streuner | judd, info soundconverter |
| 02:13.46 | judd | Package soundconverter (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: GNOME application to convert audio files into other formats. Version: 1.4.4-2; Size: 122.5k; Installed: 932k; Homepage: http://soundconverter.berlios.de/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/soundconverter |
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| 02:14.12 | pfred1 | boudiccas you can get front ends for lame |
| 02:14.37 | streuner | judd, info grip |
| 02:14.38 | judd | No package named 'grip' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 02:15.46 | pfred1 | boudiccas this looks like one http://www.pazera-software.com/products/lame-front-end/ |
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| 02:16.19 | pfred1 | oh wait now that I'm looking at it it looks more like a keylogger |
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| 02:17.32 | pfred1 | boudiccas these might be better http://freecode.com/search?q=lame+front+end&submit=Search |
| 02:17.36 | r4co0n | o11c, avahi is exactly what i was looking for, thanks a lot. It seems to be easily working with an OSX client I have to support too. |
| 02:17.53 | o11c | yeah, apple did create some good things in the old days |
| 02:18.10 | r4co0n | i like this multicast dns idea |
| 02:18.15 | zxcv789 | i'm running debian testing. i can't boot. grub says "grub error: unknown partition." 5 times. does this for the recovery mode option as well. I checked grub.cfg and it looks correct. google is no help. |
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| 02:18.30 | freebird | you guys,I want to get my wireless working, wlan0 is ok, I see tha twhenI run iwconfig, but gnome-network-manager wont allow me to click in the wireless option, not sure what'sgoing on, I've a hp mini 210-1000 |
| 02:18.33 | o11c | well, it would be horrible if not on a small LAN |
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| 02:20.09 | streuner | zxcv789: use a LIVE-CD, chroot it and run update-grub |
| 02:20.17 | nsadmin | zxcv789, look at your device.map |
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| 02:21.05 | nsadmin | freebird, look at your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:21.21 | freebird | nsadmin, I did, has nothing related to the wireless |
| 02:21.24 | freebird | nsadmin, |
| 02:21.33 | nsadmin | uncommented iface wlan0? |
| 02:21.41 | zxcv789 | nsadmin: what should be in there? |
| 02:22.16 | zxcv789 | has only (hd0) but I actually have 3 drives. the one it shows isn't the boot / root drive. |
| 02:22.43 | nsadmin | zxcv789, a mapping from what it names drives (like (hd0)) to drives |
| 02:22.52 | freebird | nsadmin, no, nothing related to thesame, why can't I make a copy in my shell ? my console ? |
| 02:22.57 | freebird | nsadmin, how do I dothat? |
| 02:23.04 | o11c | zxcv789: I seriously suggest using UUIDs |
| 02:23.06 | nsadmin | that's probably the problem |
| 02:23.16 | zxcv789 | nsadmin: so it should have the root drive, i assume? it does not. |
| 02:23.16 | o11c | because (hd0) can change |
| 02:23.21 | pfred1 | o11c UUID is so ugly |
| 02:23.27 | freebird | nsadmin, why ? |
| 02:23.28 | o11c | fine, use LABEL |
| 02:23.43 | pfred1 | I've done that and it is an improvement |
| 02:23.45 | nsadmin | pfred1, you never see them |
| 02:24.20 | nsadmin | freebird, sorry that was to zxcv789 |
| 02:24.33 | freebird | nsadmin, ok,np |
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| 02:24.59 | freebird | nsadmin, how doI copy from my shell here in linux ? I'm using xfce4 |
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| 02:25.16 | o11c | freebird: normally highlight and middle click |
| 02:25.22 | nsadmin | freebird, speaking of interfaces, see if you can establish a connection using it |
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| 02:25.54 | freebird | nsadmin, how |
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| 02:26.28 | nsadmin | freebird, before you think about pasting... could you... aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 02:26.37 | freebird | nsadmin, my network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/wpb26eL8 |
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| 02:26.51 | freebird | o11c, tks, worked |
| 02:27.03 | o11c | freebird: also, you can pipe into xclip |
| 02:27.24 | nsadmin | freebird, I'm allergic to pastebin.com which is also against my religion :) |
| 02:27.55 | o11c | which allows you to specify which clipboard to use |
| 02:28.10 | o11c | yeah, I've noticed some bad things about pastebin.com |
| 02:28.47 | nsadmin | the three biggies are, ads, captchas and its tendency to crash muh konq |
| 02:28.51 | freebird | nsadmin, xclip ? |
| 02:28.53 | o11c | ooh, and even mime type! |
| 02:28.57 | freebird | where do you like better ? nsadmin |
| 02:29.26 | nsadmin | howbout gist.github.com or paste.debian.net |
| 02:29.39 | zxcv789 | nsadmin: my grub.cfg is using UUIDs already except for the line "set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos6)'". which should be correct, actually. but do i need to put a uuid in here instead? |
| 02:30.00 | o11c | /dev/sd* numbers can change |
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| 02:30.08 | o11c | depending on whether you have usb devices plugged in |
| 02:30.14 | o11c | s/numbers/letters/ |
| 02:30.24 | freebird | nsadmin, http://paste.debian.net/167492/ |
| 02:30.29 | nsadmin | zxcv789, hmm, how did your root get set that way? |
| 02:30.48 | zxcv789 | nsadmin: not sure... |
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| 02:30.55 | zxcv789 | what is it normally? a uuid? |
| 02:30.56 | pfred1 | nsadmin how can you not like captchas? http://www.churchofinglip.com/ |
| 02:31.58 | nsadmin | zxcv789, pre-uuid, it was what you put there |
| 02:32.07 | zxcv789 | okay |
| 02:32.46 | zxcv789 | nsadmin, the next line is "search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 233659eb-ee8e-4121-b5b2-b044b50db02f". |
| 02:32.59 | zxcv789 | does that set the root as well? |
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| 02:34.06 | nsadmin | or actually the normal thing was to have set root=(hd0,something) |
| 02:34.15 | freebird | nsadmin, what do you say my friend ? |
| 02:34.32 | nsadmin | freebird, sec |
| 02:34.32 | freebird | nsadmin, looks like it's onlyu a detail, i think it's all installed, |
| 02:34.43 | freebird | nsadmin, np |
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| 02:35.59 | zxcv789 | nsadmin: tried setting it to (hd1,msdos6) and lots of variations, but same result. |
| 02:37.58 | zxcv789 | anyway, what sort of line should I have for setting the root? |
| 02:38.16 | nsadmin | freebird, http://gist.github.com/2607163 |
| 02:38.47 | nsadmin | put something like that in your interfaces file (my wireless is eth1, yours is wlan0) |
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| 02:39.11 | freebird | nsadmin, eth is for wired connection |
| 02:39.23 | nsadmin | eth is just a name :) |
| 02:39.27 | freebird | oh ok |
| 02:39.33 | nsadmin | it could be freebird0 |
| 02:40.20 | nsadmin | or nsadmin98237475-21wubba3 |
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| 02:42.34 | nsadmin | zxcv789, could you cat grub.cnf | nopaste? |
| 02:42.47 | nsadmin | no sensitive data in there, right? passwds etc |
| 02:43.36 | freebird | nsadmin, I've changed the eth1 to wlan0, kink worked, but wont connect |
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| 02:43.53 | nsadmin | kink always works! |
| 02:43.57 | freebird | nsadmin, why ifdown eth0 wont work ? |
| 02:44.19 | freebird | nsadmin, tries to connect, but wont connect, |
| 02:44.31 | freebird | should I turn eth0 down before ? |
| 02:44.40 | zxcv789 | nsadmin, what do you mean by "cat grub.cnf | nopaste"? |
| 02:44.52 | nsadmin | I think because nm assumed control of eth0 according to your interfaces |
| 02:45.12 | pbase | can anyone help me with this issue - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=126487. on wheezy |
| 02:45.25 | nsadmin | I think you had #networkmanager# iface eth0... |
| 02:45.49 | nsadmin | yeah, you do... so, that line is commented out |
| 02:46.00 | nsadmin | last line, 11 |
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| 02:46.54 | zxcv789 | nsadmin, here: http://nopaste.info/4f90f0f0ba.html |
| 02:47.11 | freebird | nsadmin, what is the name of that app that shows an interface to the wireless ? from gnome ?? |
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| 02:51.17 | zykotic10 | freebird: do you mean nmapplet part of the network-manager-gnome package? |
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| 02:53.40 | freebird | zykotic10, tks |
| 02:53.44 | nsadmin | freebird, does iwlist scan show stuff around your neighborhood? |
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| 02:54.04 | nsadmin | probably have to do that as root |
| 02:54.16 | freebird | nsadmin, shows some information |
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| 02:55.27 | nsadmin | hmm. it will always show some information... do you, for example, see your own ap? |
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| 02:55.42 | freebird | middle button wont copy any more, only pastes, weird |
| 02:56.13 | zykotic10 | freebird: that's all the button is suppose to do, just highlight to copy |
| 02:56.42 | freebird | zykotic10, believe, I did, some bug,but iwlist shows an answer, looks like it's not searching for anything |
| 02:57.07 | pbase | here is some more documentation on the issue.. - http://forum.soft32.com/linux/RFC-btusb-firmware-load-help-ftopict522254.html |
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| 02:58.01 | craigevil | pbase, rather than posting in multiple channels post at forums.debian.net someone will surely be able to help |
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| 02:58.24 | zykotic10 | freebird: sorry, i was just commenting on your "middle button wont copy..." statement. I'm no help with your wireless hardware issue ;) |
| 02:58.36 | pbase | thans craigevil |
| 02:58.41 | pbase | thanks |
| 02:58.42 | nsadmin | you can even post a link to forums.d.n here, then everyone sees the same thing |
| 02:58.46 | freebird | zykotic10, np |
| 02:58.49 | zxcv789 | nsadmin, my grub.cfg here: http://nopaste.info/4f90f0f0ba.html |
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| 03:00.31 | freebird | weird, how do I know if the interface is even isntalled correctly ? |
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| 03:01.07 | nsadmin | if you get scan results, that's pretty indicative |
| 03:01.11 | zxcv789 | nsadmin, all the examples of grub.cfg that I find have a line such as "set root=(hd0,1)". so i'm not sure that you can leave that out and just use uuid. Or can you? |
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| 03:01.57 | turingb | :-D |
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| 03:02.40 | TheHackBox | cedr, :O |
| 03:02.41 | nsadmin | zxcv789, I think yes... and, you can check definitively on #grub |
| 03:02.52 | cedr | TheHackBox: Yep, this is one of them. :) |
| 03:03.37 | zxcv789 | nsadmin, okay so would i leave out the whole line or replace it with set root=UUID=... ? |
| 03:04.06 | freebird | nsadmin, I don't, if I try, iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 03:04.23 | freebird | I get that interface doesn't support scanning |
| 03:04.39 | nsadmin | hmm. you probably need the firmware |
| 03:04.52 | freebird | nsadmin, how do I know if the module is up ? dmesg shows me 2 network cards |
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| 03:05.24 | freebird | nsadmin, wow, that's what dmesg is saying now |
| 03:05.44 | nsadmin | that you might need firmware? |
| 03:06.29 | nsadmin | ok, let's see, look at lspci -nn (pci wireless, yes?) and show the line of that output that is your wireless |
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| 03:09.01 | nsadmin | reduces availability to 10%, adding that I might wander around town |
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| 03:09.23 | dvs | zombie? |
| 03:09.59 | nsadmin | have an arm... I don't seem to needit! |
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| 03:12.41 | trysten | someone help me suid pm-suspend >.> |
| 03:12.51 | trysten | i'll give you a cookie |
| 03:12.55 | casper0505 | dvs, zombie - the cyanberries. good song |
| 03:13.09 | trysten | so i did this: sudo chmod 4777 /usr/sbin/pm-suspend |
| 03:14.02 | trysten | (/usr/sbin/pm-suspend is a symlink to ../lib/pm-utils/bin/pm-action) but when i stat /usr/sbin/pm-suspend it shows Access: (0777/lrwxrwxrwx) |
| 03:14.04 | Diopter | trysten: What's your goal of suid'ing? So you can suspend as a non-root user? |
| 03:14.10 | trysten | Diopter: that exactly |
| 03:14.53 | trysten | also, i've never done it before, so it would be nice to know how. |
| 03:14.54 | Diopter | trysten: I don't think permissions are the issue. /usr/sbin/pm-suspend as my user says "This utility may only be run by the root user" |
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| 03:15.07 | Diopter | which tells me the binary is checking your UID itself :P |
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| 03:15.28 | trysten | >.> i though suid would cover that though.. |
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| 03:16.09 | Diopter | heh heh |
| 03:16.23 | Diopter | trysten: There's a difference between UID and EUID in there also. |
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| 03:19.36 | pbase | Here is the issue link created on f.d.n - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79284 |
| 03:20.14 | trysten | aaah herpaderp. so what if i made a script that had suid, and the contents of the script = "sudo /usr/sbin/pm-suspend" |
| 03:20.20 | trysten | would that work, Diopter? |
| 03:21.29 | trysten | finds out |
| 03:21.48 | Diopter | trysten: Take out the sudo, and maybe. Unless you've got NOPASSWD: in your sudoers config |
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| 03:24.23 | trysten | without sudo i get same complaint |
| 03:24.31 | trysten | and with sudo, it works! |
| 03:25.43 | trysten | huzzar! thank you Diopter. |
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| 03:27.05 | trysten | give diopter a cookie |
| 03:27.35 | Diopter | lol, sure thing. Enjoy |
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| 04:04.10 | trysten | ok i'm defeated |
| 04:04.36 | Khmerog | lol @ debian users |
| 04:05.05 | Diopter | Khmerog: orly? |
| 04:05.18 | Diopter | trysten: mm? |
| 04:05.28 | trysten | i've got a suid'd script /usr/sbin/suspendplease (suid root) that is "sudo /usr/sbin/pm-suspend" |
| 04:06.01 | trysten | it works fine if i call it from my shell (xterm /bin/bash) |
| 04:06.33 | trysten | but what i really need is for xbindkeys to be able to call it ( it's using exec() ). that, of course, does not work |
| 04:06.42 | trysten | it prompts for password |
| 04:06.48 | turingb | :-D |
| 04:06.48 | Khmerog | diopter which Operating System do you use lol |
| 04:07.03 | trysten | Khmerog: are you trolling? |
| 04:07.06 | Khmerog | i am using Joli OS and Ubuntu |
| 04:07.08 | Diopter | Khmerog: I use several professionally. |
| 04:07.19 | Khmerog | no im not trolling |
| 04:07.22 | r4co0n | trysten, your shell does prompt for password too, but you entered the password already. |
| 04:07.24 | Khmerog | im shopping for a OS |
| 04:07.31 | trysten | r4co0n: OOOO thanks! |
| 04:07.36 | Khmerog | other than Lubuntu... |
| 04:07.37 | Diopter | Khmerog: By lol'ing at us? Curious strategy |
| 04:08.01 | trysten | r4co0n: why didn't i think of that >.< |
| 04:08.29 | trysten | Khmerog: Debian is, to a degree, the asexual mother of many linux distros |
| 04:08.30 | Diopter | trysten: that's why I was saying take the sudo out. The approach you're trying to use is to suid the script, so it becomes root when run, which means you don't need sudo |
| 04:08.54 | trysten | Diopter: i will pursue that end. thank you for your guidance r4co0n |
| 04:08.56 | Diopter | trysten: I haven't tried suid'ing a script, though. Makes me think it wouldn't do much, since it's not actually a process |
| 04:09.22 | Khmerog | my LOL meant no disrespect |
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| 04:09.44 | Khmerog | i just never been outside of ubuntu chat room |
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| 04:09.56 | Khmerog | so its kind of funny/weird |
| 04:10.04 | Diopter | Khmerog: Sounds a little unadventurous ;P |
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| 04:10.13 | Diopter | Ubuntu is based on Debian. Heavily. |
| 04:10.19 | fitshaced | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 04:10.20 | Khmerog | thast why i am here..i want to adventure some more |
| 04:10.25 | fitshaced | jinx! |
| 04:10.29 | Khmerog | but i hear debianis more complicated |
| 04:10.34 | trysten | Khmerog: debian is not a GUI. to begin your adventure, press Ctrl+Alt+F2 |
| 04:10.37 | Diopter | They usually pull from unstable (sid), except LTS releases, where they pull from testing |
| 04:10.42 | Khmerog | as in installing software, etc.. |
| 04:10.51 | trysten | Khmerog: quite the opposite. debian is far simpler than ubuntu |
| 04:10.55 | Diopter | Khmerog: Not necessarily. Depends on what you're comfortable with. |
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| 04:11.19 | r4co0n | trysten, what about setting yourself permission to run pm-suspend without password via sudo, "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate" |
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| 04:11.50 | trysten | r4co0n: aw thanks! i was just studying man sudoers |
| 04:12.22 | trysten | also, it's funny that my username is literally 'username' |
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| 04:12.52 | r4co0n | found an archlinux wiki page, use with care, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pm-utils#Suspend.2FHibernate_as_regular_user |
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| 04:13.28 | gasull | Why is gscan2pdf installation failing silently? http://pastebin.com/nErFnzAC |
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| 04:13.50 | trysten | admires the archlinux wiki for covering a wide variety of things. he thinks it is a good place to start (after man, of course) |
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| 04:16.52 | Khmerog | libre office or open office? |
| 04:16.56 | r4co0n | gasull, because it's from unstable? i got no clue, but you may get happy with the next version |
| 04:17.00 | trysten | finds the knowledge in sudoers(5) difficult to comprehend |
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| 04:18.33 | ectospasm | Khmerog: I've been happy with libreoffice |
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| 04:18.47 | r4co0n | khmerog, iirc the licenses of libreoffice are better. and the bulk of core developers moved to libreoffice from openoffice too... |
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| 04:19.22 | r4co0n | openoffice being in the claws of Sun... |
| 04:20.01 | Iridos | oracle |
| 04:20.17 | trysten | or whatever |
| 04:20.23 | r4co0n | s/Sun/Oracle/ |
| 04:20.30 | damaxus | "don't make the mistake of anthropomorphizing larry ellison.." |
| 04:20.51 | r4co0n | im really too young when it comes to this... |
| 04:21.29 | Iridos | openoffice being in the claws of Sun being in the claws of Oracle :P |
| 04:21.42 | Khmerog | kk libre office it is...grrr just wasted 175 mb on open office |
| 04:21.57 | Khmerog | yes i care about bandwidth |
| 04:22.04 | r4co0n | libreoffice should have a smaller footprint too |
| 04:22.16 | trysten | Khmerog: do you have bandwidth quotas? just use vi :P |
| 04:22.18 | r4co0n | khmerog, me too, being on an umts line :/ |
| 04:22.47 | trysten | r4co0n: that's cool. |
| 04:22.54 | Khmerog | yes i have quotas but its also the fact i dont like wasting the traffic..lol |
| 04:23.14 | r4co0n | when I switched over, I thought it was faster than openoffice as well, like in starting performance |
| 04:23.22 | Khmerog | its like driving your car to buy bread and when u come home u forgot to buy milk so you have to drive back to the same store |
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| 04:23.45 | trysten | Khmerog: it's not really like that |
| 04:23.54 | trysten | Khmerog: the internet is not a big truck |
| 04:24.15 | r4co0n | trysten, the inet would be the road infrastructure/... |
| 04:24.32 | Diopter | It's a series of tubes! |
| 04:24.40 | trysten | gives Diopter yet another cookie |
| 04:25.06 | Khmerog | well im talking about wasting the energy (electricity) it take to download that wasted file |
| 04:25.28 | Khmerog | ill just watch 10 less youtube videos this month |
| 04:25.45 | trysten | Khmerog: a negligable amount of energy to move 175MB of data. |
| 04:25.46 | r4co0n | how can one watch -10 youtube videos? |
| 04:25.53 | trysten | laughs |
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| 04:27.20 | boudiccas | Whats the command please for seeing which is the longest uptime you've had? i thought it was ....... uptimedb ....... but it didn’t recognise the command. |
| 04:28.31 | Iridos | uptimes aren't stored afaik |
| 04:28.32 | trysten | boudiccas: uptimed |
| 04:28.42 | Diopter | boudiccas: Didn't know there was one. You could run 'last' to see the wtmp entries, which show times |
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| 04:29.24 | Iridos | oh, all right, you can install something that stores it :) |
| 04:29.27 | trysten | Diopter: mine goes back 7 days, which is the result of $ uptime |
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| 04:30.44 | Iridos | this might be fun on a phone, btw :P |
| 04:30.58 | trysten | Iridos: what? |
| 04:31.11 | r4co0n | uptime highscores? |
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| 04:31.24 | boudiccas | sorry folks, none of you have found the command/programme yet :( |
| 04:31.26 | Iridos | trysten, like "longest time my phone was running was half a year" (or somesuch) |
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| 04:32.00 | trysten | i once had an idle rack-box that was on for 3 years in my parents house. ( i forgot about it ) |
| 04:32.08 | Iridos | hehe |
| 04:32.19 | trysten | it still might be on.. |
| 04:32.47 | Iridos | phone uptimes tend more to the short side, though... specially if you cannot charge them sometimes and they run dry |
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| 04:33.46 | Diopter | There were a couple of 1100-day uptime boxes in our old datacenter when they decomm'd it |
| 04:34.05 | zykotic10 | i do like the %up since X in uprecords |
| 04:34.11 | trysten | wowee |
| 04:34.37 | Iridos | gn |
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| 04:38.12 | trysten | wriggles with elation as he is now able to suspend his computer to ram with the press of a button! |
| 04:38.59 | boudiccas | Whats the command please for seeing which is the longest uptime you've had? i thought it was ....... uptimedb ....... but it didn’t recognise the command. |
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| 04:42.29 | ectospasm | boudiccas: unless you write a script that logs uptime, I don't think there is such a database. I could be wrong though. |
| 04:42.38 | r4co0n | boudiccas, http://www.giyf.com The program you want to use is called uptimed and provides the command uprecords, which seems to be a highscore |
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| 04:43.27 | r4co0n | boudiccas, and btw, someone hinted you to uptimed already |
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| 04:47.38 | trysten | captain! we are reciving a fax! |
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| 04:50.53 | pbase | i have commented all my rep sources in hte sources.list file yet apt still gets them from somewhere.. where is it taking the source url from? |
| 04:51.39 | trysten | my new darknet scheme looks like this cat data | gpg -ea | qrencode | sensible-printer |
| 04:51.44 | craigevil | did you run apt-get update after editing your sources.list |
| 04:52.11 | trysten | the printer faxes it to another system, where a scanner reads the faxes as they print out and decrypts, assembles the data |
| 04:54.12 | Diopter | lolz |
| 04:55.12 | craigevil | fax probably gets intercepted by the NSA just like email |
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| 04:57.46 | Diopter | trysten: Aside from the GPG encrypting, you're doing security through obscurity. Lot of trouble for not gaining you any real security over GPG + email ;P |
| 04:58.00 | trysten | very true |
| 04:58.09 | Diopter | Sounds fun though |
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| 05:00.52 | cipher__ | does anyone know of a way to adjust bass? |
| 05:01.01 | cipher__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.19 | trysten | ok ok. automatic printer, prints onto postcards right. the get dropped into a mailbox, delivered to destination. destination has a mail chute with a mechanism to view each postcard. maybe a overhead HD webcam and some sort of conveyor belt. |
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| 05:01.31 | Diopter | cipher__: If you're using pulseaudio, there's actually a pulse harness to use LADSPA plugins, to provide an equalizer for your audio |
| 05:02.26 | cipher__ | thanks Dibbler |
| 05:02.29 | cipher__ | Diopter, |
| 05:02.34 | cipher__ | :S |
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| 05:02.56 | trysten | cipher__: it's not builtin to my alsa. vlc has visEQ, or you can use pulseaudio plugins. ( i think pulseaudio is hard to configure ) |
| 05:03.09 | Diopter | trysten: It's really not that hard. Using the pulse equalizer is fairly simple |
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| 05:09.51 | dizzylizzy | Is it possible to switch the "function" and "control" button, as well as the "option" and "command" button with debian on an ibook? |
| 05:10.02 | Diopter | dizzylizzy: Yes. |
| 05:10.09 | Diopter | dizzylizzy: Wait, maybe not Fn with Ctrl. |
| 05:10.15 | dizzylizzy | is function special? |
| 05:10.18 | Diopter | Fn is usually not even sent to the OS |
| 05:10.24 | Diopter | Just modifies the keyboard hardware itself |
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| 05:10.27 | dizzylizzy | i see |
| 05:11.13 | Diopter | dizzylizzy: Can I make a suggestion regarding ctrl? |
| 05:11.39 | dizzylizzy | All right |
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| 05:12.20 | Diopter | dizzylizzy: You should consider swapping ctrl with caps lock. It puts it on home row for your left pinkie, and unless you USE SOME CAPS A LOT LOL, you will probably never hit it |
| 05:12.40 | dizzylizzy | doesn't solaris do it that way? |
| 05:13.27 | Diopter | Original Unix keyboards were setup that way :D |
| 05:13.33 | Diopter | It's vastly more comfortable, imo |
| 05:13.44 | dizzylizzy | thank you! very welcome help :) |
| 05:13.45 | cedr | i always disable caps lock here |
| 05:13.50 | Diopter | You bet :) |
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| 05:13.57 | dizzylizzy | I type out long caps messages with shift anyway :P |
| 05:14.57 | Diopter | Same |
| 05:14.59 | Diopter | lolz |
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| 05:16.09 | trysten | dizzylizzy: took me forever to find, but you might be interested in pbbuttonsd |
| 05:17.10 | mah454 | Please view this paste : http://pastebin.centos.org/38806 |
| 05:17.10 | trysten | !pbuttonsd |
| 05:17.16 | trysten | >.< |
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| 05:17.24 | mah454 | this is kernel compile error , How can fix it ? |
| 05:17.33 | boudiccas | r4co0n: brilliant, thansk thats it. uprecords is the bees knees :) |
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| 05:18.00 | r4co0n | boudiccas, youre welcome :) |
| 05:18.08 | trysten | !pbbuttonsd |
| 05:18.08 | dpkg | PBButtons is a program suite handling the special hotkeys of an Apple iBook, PowerBook/TiBook, MacBook (since version 0.8.0) and other laptop/notebook models. Packaged for Debian powerpc as pbbuttonsd. http://pbbuttons.berlios.de/ |
| 05:18.27 | sanitypassing | Hi, if I encrypt a FAT32 formmatted device, will it still work with Windows/Mac? |
| 05:18.28 | boudiccas | r4co0n: sorry my reply was so late but i was afk having breakfast |
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| 05:18.44 | Diopter | mah454: ... RPM build errors? |
| 05:18.52 | boudiccas | sanitypassing: i very much doubt it |
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| 05:19.08 | mah454 | Diopter, yes make new rpm |
| 05:19.12 | sanitypassing | boudiccas: is there any filesystem I *can* encrypt, but still use on Windows/Mac? |
| 05:19.39 | r4co0n | sanitypassing, there are ways to create fat volumes that are accesiable from win, mac maybe, didnt test, via truecrypt |
| 05:19.49 | dizzylizzy | trysten, thank you!! |
| 05:19.49 | r4co0n | thats one fucked up sentence, sry |
| 05:19.52 | Diopter | mah454: You're in the Debian chatroom. Building RPMs for kernels... not exactly common here :P |
| 05:20.06 | boudiccas | sanitypassing: none that i know of, you have to have /=exactly=/ the same encryption and keys on both OS's, and that just aint going to happen |
| 05:20.19 | mah454 | Oops .... ! :D |
| 05:20.25 | Blue1 | i am having provlems installing thunderbird on 64 bit squeeze. missing 32 bit libdbus. |
| 05:20.46 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 05:20.51 | r4co0n | i once encrypted an usb hdd with truecrypt, when connecting it to a debian box, i was asked for a password by gnome and it mounted afterwards |
| 05:21.18 | sanitypassing | so I need to just hope no one finds this external drive. |
| 05:21.18 | Diopter | Blue1: apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 05:21.26 | sanitypassing | unless there is a way to hide the files on all systems? |
| 05:21.30 | r4co0n | sanitypassing, so try to encrypt on win/mac and open it by debian, will be easier than the other way around i suppose |
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| 05:21.49 | sanitypassing | r4co0n: I don't have a Windows/Mac machine in front of me. :/ |
| 05:22.08 | Diopter | sanitypassing: Why do you want to encrypt the whole FS if you want to pass things back and forth? You could just GPG encrypt files and transfer them |
| 05:22.37 | sanitypassing | I'm mostly looking to hide the files |
| 05:22.54 | Diopter | That's what . is for in filenames ;P |
| 05:22.57 | sanitypassing | Can GPG encrypted files do that? |
| 05:23.01 | Blue1 | Diopter: installed |
| 05:23.10 | sanitypassing | Diopter: Yeah, but not on Windows |
| 05:23.39 | Blue1 | Diopter: ii ia32-libs 20120102 |
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| 05:25.23 | r4co0n | sanitypassing, truecrypt is available for linux as well, though it is not in the debian repositories. try fetching it from truecrypt.org if you know what you're doing... |
| 05:25.40 | r4co0n | sanitypassing, backup before encryption may be wise... |
| 05:25.40 | sanitypassing | Ok |
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| 05:26.22 | Diopter | Blue1: wait... hold on. You're on 64-bit squeeze, and you're trying to install thunderbird... 32 bit. |
| 05:26.29 | Diopter | Blue1: That's several kinds of doing it wrong :P |
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| 05:27.02 | Diopter | Blue1: Debian rebrands all the Mozilla software due to licensing issues. Just apt-get install icedove. It's thunderbird. |
| 05:27.07 | r4co0n | btw, you can hide files on an usb-stick to windows pcs by partitioning the stick. if you do, windows only mounts the first partition, the others stay invisible |
| 05:27.15 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 05:27.40 | shifty | I just download 412 files as part of an 'aptitude update'. What's the story with all these pdiff files? |
| 05:27.44 | r4co0n | but thats hide as in: i cant find them anymore |
| 05:28.08 | sanitypassing | I think it might be easier for me to format it in a filesystem that only linux supports, and hide the files |
| 05:28.19 | sanitypassing | I dunno. Going to do some more research |
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| 05:28.39 | r4co0n | sanitypassing, if you go for security, dont go for obscurity, but encrypt properly. |
| 05:29.04 | sanitypassing | I'm mostly looking to hide the files from someone who might be snooping around, or accidentially plug in the drive |
| 05:29.24 | r4co0n | what about putting them in an encrypted archive? |
| 05:29.36 | sanitypassing | Ah, that would probably work perfectly. |
| 05:29.56 | r4co0n | rar can hide filenames too and is winsupported, would go for it... |
| 05:30.01 | sanitypassing | Ok |
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| 05:30.11 | sanitypassing | Thanks. I'll look into that. |
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| 05:30.54 | Diopter | Or 7zip |
| 05:31.00 | r4co0n | sanitypassing, care to hide the filenames, you have to set a flag, otherwise the names wouldnt be secret |
| 05:31.07 | trysten | where is mod_ssl?!! |
| 05:31.12 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 05:31.30 | Diopter | shifty: It's a handy way to manage package list deltas, if the deltas would be smaller than redownloading the package list. |
| 05:32.08 | Blue1 | Diopter: that is what is available on the mozilla site - 32 bit - I can't find a 64 bit thunderbird. I did find 64 bit firefox on the nightly.mozilla.org but NOT a 64 bit thunderbird. |
| 05:32.36 | Blue1 | Diopter: yes I know about the re-branding. |
| 05:32.42 | Diopter | Blue1: I just told you. Debian includes Thunderbird, just without the Mozilla branding. apt-get install icedove :P |
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| 05:33.01 | JasonWoof | nar! I ran cvlc, and now my monitor keeps going black when I'm idle |
| 05:33.18 | JasonWoof | there's no xscreensaver process, and I already did: xset -dpms |
| 05:33.27 | JasonWoof | how do I stop my screen from blanking? |
| 05:33.34 | nvz | JasonWoof: console? |
| 05:33.38 | JasonWoof | X |
| 05:33.54 | Blue1 | Diopter: yes but I want a later version the version 3. |
| 05:34.03 | nvz | JasonWoof: well there are several mechanisms that can be causing the screen to blank.. |
| 05:34.22 | JasonWoof | I also just uninstalled xfce, if that could be related |
| 05:34.30 | JasonWoof | gnome is not installed |
| 05:34.37 | nvz | JasonWoof: first being the screensaver app.. if one is installed, the 2nd being power management.. the last being the x server itself which can be managed with xset |
| 05:34.40 | JasonWoof | I suspect it was cvlc that triggered it |
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| 05:35.03 | Diopter | JasonWoof: Try xset s off; xset s noblank; xset dpms off |
| 05:35.19 | shifty | Diopter: thanks, good answer to an open-ended question. The large numbers of files downloaded takes longer, but I'd prefer to use a solution that places the lightest load on my mirror. |
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| 05:35.28 | lukash_ | Hi all. It is possible to use approx with sid and with stable repos at the same time? |
| 05:35.33 | shifty | sometimes I think aptitude really does have super cow powers |
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| 05:35.52 | lukash_ | I mean i need to configure approx in the way it download packages and from sid and from stable |
| 05:36.32 | JasonWoof | Diopter: done, "xset dpms off" gives usage. I think the correct usage is "xset -dpms" which I tried earlier and it still blanked. |
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| 05:36.45 | JasonWoof | note that it's killing the signal to my monitor, not just turning the pixels black |
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| 05:37.41 | trysten | where do i get apache2-ca-certificate |
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| 05:39.11 | kfogel | Anyone here have success driving an HP P2055dn LaserJet printer over local USB cable with Debian 'testing' dist lately? The printer isn't visible so far; I'm starting with hp-check now, but it seems to require many deps that I didn't have installed, so now I'm installing those... and wondering if all this yak-shaving is the right road to go down. |
| 05:39.15 | JasonWoof | nvz: I looked through the running processes, and I'm pretty sure I know what all that stuff is, no power management daemon or screensaver process. |
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| 05:39.35 | JasonWoof | nvz: I thought I had xset figgured, and it was: "xset -dpms" |
| 05:40.05 | n0ti0nis | kfogel: I think it's the right way |
| 05:40.30 | nvz | JasonWoof: yeah dpms is a power management feature.. when using gnome you have both a higher level screensaver and power management app, but without those you still have the screensaver and power management built into X itself |
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| 05:41.51 | nvz | JasonWoof: it can be nerve wracking tracking that crap down at times. I removed some notification-osd or whatever it was called in ubuntu and my screen started blanking on me.. |
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| 05:43.11 | JasonWoof | nvz: yeah, I get that. I uninstalled gnome, xscreensaver isn't running (uninstalling as we speak) so I'm guessing I'm just failing at getting X to stop turning off my monitor |
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| 05:44.13 | ectospasm | DPMS? |
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| 05:44.29 | rainfyre | evening everyone. how do I install skype into a 64 bit squeeze install? |
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| 05:44.47 | Diopter | rainfyre: skype.com, "Get Skype", Linux, debian 5+ 64 bit link |
| 05:44.52 | JasonWoof | sure enough, vlc has a "disable-screensaver" setting which is on by default. So I'm guessing it fails to detect that it's off, tells X to turn it off, then when it's done playing the movie, it turns the screensaver on |
| 05:44.57 | Diopter | rainfyre: Then dpkg -i the .deb, then apt-get -f install |
| 05:45.09 | nvz | or use gdebi |
| 05:45.13 | JasonWoof | ectospasm: DPMS is my guess. I tried xset -dpms |
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| 05:45.59 | Strav` | Hi! Can anyone tell me if there are relevant updates concerning the following bug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2012/03/msg00474.html ? (there's been no follow-up posts for around two months now) |
| 05:46.06 | JasonWoof | I disabled the "disable-screensaver" setting in vlc settings. so hopefully next time I reboot it won't get triggered again |
| 05:46.20 | ectospasm | JasonWoof: I think I had that problem a while ago, can't remember how I fixed it. That was something like at least two OS installs ago, sorry can't be of more help. |
| 05:46.32 | JasonWoof | ectospasm: heh |
| 05:46.57 | JasonWoof | ectospasm: I've had this problem before too, long ago, and recently |
| 05:47.12 | JasonWoof | so frustrating not being able to get through a movie without random blanking |
| 05:47.23 | kfogel | n0ti0nis: thanks |
| 05:47.32 | JasonWoof | s/random/regularly scheduled/ |
| 05:47.46 | ectospasm | I've got the opposite problem. my screen won't blank, probably something to do with gnome-screensaver |
| 05:48.16 | ectospasm | JasonWoof: is it the display going to sleep? Or the screen just goes blank? |
| 05:48.21 | Diopter | JasonWoof: Do you have xdg-utils installed? |
| 05:48.31 | JasonWoof | ectospasm: display goes to sleep |
| 05:48.49 | JasonWoof | Diopter: yes |
| 05:50.08 | Diopter | Fun |
| 05:51.16 | JasonWoof | Diopter: chromium depends on xdg-utils |
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| 05:57.16 | Strav` | Any progress on bug #628444? |
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| 06:01.03 | Blue1 | Diopter: installing ia32-libs-gtk solved the thunderbird issues. I know have thunderbird 12 running on my 64 bit system. |
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| 06:05.15 | lukash_ | Can anyone help me? I need to build custom cd. I'm doing this with simple-cdd through approx. How can i specify two mirrors, since i need some packages from sid and some from squeeze? Thank you |
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| 06:11.45 | Diopter | Blue1: Exciting. They should have 64 bit builds, though. |
| 06:12.31 | Blue1 | Diopter: agree but I can't find the nightly builds for thunderbird, only firefox |
| 06:12.43 | Diopter | Blue1: http://mozilla.cdn.leaseweb.com/thunderbird/releases/12.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
| 06:13.02 | Blue1 | Diopter: blessings! |
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| 06:15.40 | turingb | ls |
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| 06:20.33 | Diopter | Blue1: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/13.0b1-candidates/build1/linux-x86_64/en-US/ <- lots of versions to play with |
| 06:21.02 | Blue1 | thanks |
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| 06:23.20 | kfogel | n0ti0nis: whew... so far, hplip not very effective. |
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| 06:24.45 | dizzylizzy | i am so happy with iceweasel 3.5.16 |
| 06:25.13 | somiaj | lukash_: do not mix squeeze and sid packages. That just is never a good idea. Look into backports |
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| 06:26.18 | lukash_ | somiaj, thank you. I'll read about backports |
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| 06:27.24 | Blue1 | Diopter: I will write this up for pkill-9.com and credit you. many thanks. |
| 06:28.14 | lukash_ | somiaj, What if i need, for example latest pcmanfm but it's not available in backports repository? |
| 06:28.26 | somiaj | then you will have to make your own, /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 06:29.15 | somiaj | issue is sid packages depend on sid libaries (such as dpkg/debconf/libc6 and other core system tools) |
| 06:29.23 | Diopter | Blue1: Sure thing, have at it. |
| 06:29.44 | somiaj | so to install a sid package you also need to install the core libaries from sid, and once you do that you do not have a stable base system. Backport = newer software compiled against the core of squeeze. |
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| 06:30.27 | Blue1 | Diopter: do you have a url for the stable version of firefox 64 bit? |
| 06:30.30 | lukash_ | somiaj, ok i got it. The last question is - how can i tell simple-cdd to download backport packages? |
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| 06:30.59 | somiaj | never used it. I never had to setup custom cd's since all my machines are connected to the internet |
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| 06:31.36 | lukash_ | somiaj, ok, thanks. i'll google the answer |
| 06:31.51 | Diopter | Blue1: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
| 06:32.33 | Blue1 | Diopter: super thanks. |
| 06:33.06 | Diopter | Blue1: Yarp. Just browsing around the directory tree ;P |
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| 06:36.14 | scientes_ | Blue1, eek, you want mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:36.17 | scientes_ | !mozilla |
| 06:36.18 | dpkg | Mozilla Application Suite (originally Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications, succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>, <firefox>, <thunderbird>. |
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| 06:39.29 | Diopter | scientes_: Ostensibly, yes. But they seemed to insist on having the tarballs, so... |
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| 06:44.29 | rainfyre | Diopter: thank you, that's exactly, line for line, what I did. :) |
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| 06:46.47 | Diopter | rainfyre: You bet! I've had to do it enough, hehe :) |
| 06:47.42 | scientes_ | runs firefox nightly from mozilla |
| 06:48.13 | scientes_ | Diopter, Blue1 with the mozilla firefox's opening files from downloads, and non-firefox schemes (irc:// for example) do not work |
| 06:48.23 | scientes_ | becuase of libnotify ABI stuff |
| 06:48.54 | Blue1 | scientes_: yes the nightly seems to work better then version 12 |
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| 06:49.49 | scientes_ | blue, you can get nightly from mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:49.57 | scientes_ | which is build against debian, instead, so it works better |
| 06:50.18 | scientes_ | blue, wait, only aurora, but that is d 14 |
| 06:50.21 | scientes_ | *ff 14 |
| 06:51.46 | Blue1 | scientes_: yes I am running v 15 |
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| 06:52.39 | scientes_ | blue, the debian mozilla team has .deb's for firefox beta and aurora and release channels |
| 06:52.43 | scientes_ | at mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:52.46 | scientes_ | you should use those |
| 06:53.18 | dizzylizzy | wow, is the version of iceweasel in backports seriously the same as squeeze |
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| 07:05.59 | nvz | ,versions iceweasel |
| 07:06.00 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-14; sid: 10.0.4esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; experimental: 12.0-4 |
| 07:07.00 | nvz | not showing iceweasel in squeeze-backports |
| 07:08.10 | Radex | nvz: there is no iceweasel in squeeze-backports |
| 07:08.13 | nvz | dizzylizzy: so to answer your question, no.. cause its not in there |
| 07:08.18 | Radex | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 07:08.58 | nvz | Radex: were you captain obvious at your high school? |
| 07:09.12 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.22 | nvz | erm |
| 07:09.28 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.16 | Radex | pf |
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| 07:12.50 | nvz | goes back to not sleeping |
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| 07:15.03 | dizzylizzy | nvz, so i am stuck with 3.5.16 :( |
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| 07:23.43 | da78 | moin. maybe someone has a hint for me how to deal with this dpkg error: --configure needs a valid package name. libc6 is not valid, if i want to install libc6-i686 on an amd64 machine. |
| 07:24.01 | da78 | http://paste.debian.net/167501/ |
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| 07:24.29 | nvz | dizzylizzy: looks to me like 10.0.x is in sid, you could attempt a simple sid backport.. though this isn't likely to be very close to the simple side of town.. as it likely has a crapload of build dependencies.. or you could check upstream for a package. |
| 07:25.02 | nvz | dizzylizzy: do you even have a need for a new version? |
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| 07:28.30 | Blue1 | Diopter: http://pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/ (many thanks) |
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| 07:31.11 | nvz | da78: there is no libc6-i686 for amd64 |
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| 07:31.37 | nvz | da78: what does dpkg -l libc6 say for the version? |
| 07:31.53 | Diopter | Blue1: haha, awesome. |
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| 07:32.35 | trysten | i can't get apache2 working >.> |
| 07:32.47 | nvz | its a rough economy |
| 07:32.48 | Diopter | trysten: How so? |
| 07:32.53 | intore | hi, could someone help me to authenticate against a server debian squeeze samba using a client ubuntu? i configured pam mount but it doesn't mount the user's home directory that are on the server |
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| 07:33.05 | trysten | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 07:33.07 | da78 | nvz: both http://paste.debian.net/167505/ |
| 07:33.55 | da78 | libc6-i686 for amd64 could be relevant because of multi architecture. |
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| 07:34.26 | r4co0n | trysten, 127.0.0.1, not .1.1, ey? this is no error, just a warning, apache2 should be running on localhost:80 |
| 07:34.39 | Diopter | trysten: That's not an error. |
| 07:34.51 | trysten | i don't really know what i'm doing. made /etc/apache2/sites-available/005-ajaxterm |
| 07:35.19 | trysten | (it worked before i linked that to /etc/apache/sites-enabled/005-ajaxterm) |
| 07:35.19 | Diopter | trysten: You can a2ensite it to make it enabled. Or ln -s it |
| 07:35.33 | dizzylizzy | Is there a way to disable the touchpad of my laptop entirely? |
| 07:35.43 | nvz | da78: are you trying to break your system? and are you running wheezy or sid? |
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| 07:36.11 | r4co0n | has got to catch the bus, bye |
| 07:36.26 | trysten | dizzylizzy: synclient TouchpadOff=1 |
| 07:36.33 | trysten | r4co0n: bye bye! |
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| 07:37.28 | trysten | Diopter: so i linked up that file, and now apache won't even start |
| 07:37.32 | da78 | nvz: no :-) --- I'm running wheezy - unfortunately since some weeks i386 is necessary to run eagle on amd64. thats the reason for multi architecture. |
| 07:38.00 | Diopter | trysten: pastie the output? |
| 07:38.05 | da78 | nvz: i found some news that it is now common to install a small 1386 base system |
| 07:38.41 | nvz | da78: what does dpkg-architecture say |
| 07:38.52 | trysten | Diopter: apache2ctl start yields apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 07:38.55 | trysten | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:443 |
| 07:38.56 | dizzylizzy | trysten, it doesn't appear my touchpad appears in /dev/input at all |
| 07:39.06 | trysten | !mouseemu |
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| 07:39.41 | Diopter | trysten: You should probably a2dissite default |
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| 07:40.36 | da78 | nvz: amd64 http://paste.debian.net/167507/ I include i386 with: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 07:41.04 | nvz | da78: you likely need to file a bug as I dont see any on the BTS.. and personally I'm not at all familiar with this new multiarch concept |
| 07:41.31 | trysten | Diopter: still won't even stay running |
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| 07:42.17 | trysten | i don't know what's making it exit. |
| 07:42.20 | da78 | nvz: thank you for your help. |
| 07:42.21 | dizzylizzy | would `modprobe -r appletouch` be a bad idea, would that make it disappear forever |
| 07:42.31 | trysten | dizzylizzy: not forever |
| 07:42.32 | nvz | da78: there is also #multiarch on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 07:43.02 | Diopter | trysten: "netstat -lntp | grep 443" with root privs, and see what process is listening on port 443. Maybe "service apache2 stop" first, make sure there's not some errant process hanging around |
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| 07:43.06 | nvz | da78: this is a new feature not yet released and you're likely to run into problems and have trouble finding people who can support them |
| 07:43.11 | Diopter | trysten: Or something entirely different already listening on 443 |
| 07:43.51 | trysten | nothing listening on 443. ps -ae | grep apache yields nothing as root |
| 07:43.58 | nvz | I thought ia32libs was crazy.. but this is really crazy.. heh.. gonna have to look into that at some point |
| 07:45.02 | Devastator | da78 don't know if it will help as you are in wheezy already, I had a problem with multiarch when building a package from sid to squeeze, lib path is different, I had to edit .install file and then it worked |
| 07:45.07 | trysten | Diopter: can't find it in htop |
| 07:45.44 | nvz | da78: actually according to the debian wiki multiarch support is neearly a decade away.. heh.. only partial patching of a few tools has been done |
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| 07:47.13 | Diopter | trysten: Ok, so, now you probably need to grep 443 in your apache site files, and config files |
| 07:47.20 | Diopter | trysten: Make sure it's only in there Once. |
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| 07:47.44 | trysten | Diopter: would that explain why apache won't even stay started? |
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| 07:48.21 | trysten | Diopter: it's in there twice >.> |
| 07:48.23 | Diopter | trysten: Probably. |
| 07:48.25 | Diopter | nods |
| 07:48.30 | trysten | Diopter: 3 times. |
| 07:49.08 | Diopter | Go look at why/where, make sure they're not commented or otherwise irrelevant, etc... then make sure it only shows up once in your site's SSL section, and only your site is sites-enabled |
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| 07:50.26 | trysten | Diopter: what a about mod_gnutls.c conditional? |
| 07:51.03 | Diopter | trysten: Depends! What are the others? :P |
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| 07:52.44 | trysten | the one i thoughtlessly added in ports.conf and another if mod_ssl is loaded |
| 07:52.57 | trysten | removed my addition, server seems to have started |
| 07:53.03 | Diopter | Good sign |
| 07:53.09 | Diopter | Apache is picky |
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| 07:53.20 | trysten | (and apparently lacks some sort of syntax checker |
| 07:54.06 | Diopter | It has one, but the syntax model doesn't check whether multiple Listen statements have the same ports. |
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| 07:55.04 | trysten | coolio!! |
| 07:55.23 | trysten | appears to be working :D |
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| 07:56.47 | Diopter | Sweet! |
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| 08:08.13 | dizzylizzy | I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad and ran `egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices` and was returned no results whatsoever. Where do I look now? |
| 08:08.29 | trysten | !mouseemu |
| 08:08.30 | dpkg | mouseemu is probably a daemon to emulate mouse buttons on trackpads with only one button. |
| 08:08.50 | dizzylizzy | I want to disable the trackpad entirely but everything I've found to do that fails |
| 08:09.08 | dizzylizzy | it's as if my system doesn't even think it has a trackpad, and yet it still works anyway |
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| 08:09.18 | trysten | dizzylizzy: i think mouseemu can help you. that or pbbuttonsd |
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| 08:09.46 | trysten | dizzylizzy: i struggled for _months_ getting an old iBook to behave properly. spend a long time on the input devices. |
| 08:09.57 | dizzylizzy | all right I will install mouseemu |
| 08:10.01 | dizzylizzy | thank you :-/ |
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| 08:10.44 | dizzylizzy | i just learned that despite having saved my hard drive with its data intact from an orange soda spill, the heads started crashing into the platter despite not touching the drive while it was spinning |
| 08:10.52 | dizzylizzy | just lost all of my data so I'm going to have to get used to this old ibook |
| 08:11.01 | dizzylizzy | plus main laptop will not power up whatsoever now |
| 08:11.20 | trysten | dizzylizzy: i'm sorry D: |
| 08:11.32 | xingu | dizzylizzy: can you pastebin that file (input/devices) somewhere? |
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| 08:12.08 | dizzylizzy | mouseemu -t 999999999999999999999 :-/ |
| 08:12.13 | dizzylizzy | Yes, sorry |
| 08:12.53 | trysten | Hey Diopter! |
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| 08:16.05 | dizzylizzy | now I can't remember how I got that list of input devices :( |
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| 08:18.14 | xingu | dizzylizzy: if you have the xinput package installed there's a pretty neat way to do this. |
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| 08:18.40 | dizzylizzy | ah, /dev/input/by-id/* only has two things both are the external USB mouse |
| 08:18.44 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: there's also #debianppc (a _much_ lower traffic channel) |
| 08:18.45 | dizzylizzy | yet the trackpad is working |
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| 08:19.23 | xingu | dizzylizzy: "xinput list" will pretty print all the current xinput devices. |
| 08:19.47 | dizzylizzy | thank you |
| 08:19.53 | dizzylizzy | thank you so much everyone |
| 08:19.58 | xingu | dizzylizzy: xinput --set-prop "Some device name" "Device Enabled" 0 will disable it. :) |
| 08:20.31 | dizzylizzy | :D |
| 08:20.51 | xingu | (I'd suggest you don't test that on your keyboard device... :) ) |
| 08:20.56 | dizzylizzy | haha |
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| 08:22.01 | omeringen | !list |
| 08:22.02 | dpkg | omeringen: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 08:22.11 | omeringen | !triggers |
| 08:22.11 | dpkg | triggers are so mIRCish |
| 08:22.21 | omeringen | !help |
| 08:22.23 | omeringen | :P |
| 08:22.27 | omeringen | !listtriggers |
| 08:24.16 | dizzylizzy | xingu, i love you |
| 08:24.28 | dutchfish | hi, why isnt this resolved yet so that qucs 0.0.16 can go into testing, i tried the same on a friends machine, and i can confirm proper build on mipsel see: #660467. |
| 08:25.45 | xingu | reboots |
| 08:26.47 | themill | dutchfish: it needs to be rescheduled for a build on those architectures. Does it build on armel now too? |
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| 08:27.05 | omeringen | ""Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net)"" |
| 08:27.06 | omeringen | ah |
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| 08:27.51 | dutchfish | themill, i have no machines to test that out, but i gues it should, it had something to do with asm level in the ocmpiler and optimisations, that was automagically solved when the compiler got updated, so i gues yes for that Arch too. |
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| 08:28.25 | Arkadietz | http://paste2.org/p/2010540 |
| 08:28.25 | burhan | I have a successful debmirror running, and I am also mirroring security packages (due to network restrictions). However, when I try to build a new machine and give my local repository, it still insists on using security.debian.org - how can I prevent this? |
| 08:28.31 | Arkadietz | any suggestions? |
| 08:28.32 | dutchfish | themill, and i want definitely the new version of qucs in wheezy |
| 08:28.37 | Arkadietz | what i'm needed |
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| 08:32.17 | alxgomz | Hi, I installed a deb package using 'dpkg --force-depends-version". Package works OK but I have depencies problem when try to use apt mater... how can I get rid of this? |
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| 08:33.26 | Bartzy | Hi, I'm using Debian stable, and with Samba, when a Windows host is trying to access my machine with \\my-machine-hostname, it takes a long time (10 seconds at least) to get the password prompt. It does work after that. It's just very long. Anyone knows why this can happen? |
| 08:34.23 | burhan | Bartzy: can you resolve my-machine-hostname? |
| 08:34.47 | Bartzy | burhan: From the windows machine ? |
| 08:34.52 | burhan | yep |
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| 08:35.13 | Bartzy | burhan: yes |
| 08:35.19 | burhan | from the local machine? |
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| 08:35.27 | burhan | does /etc/hosts have the proper entry? |
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| 08:36.18 | alxgomz | IMHO it might be some reverse dns issue |
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| 08:39.36 | alxgomz | Bartzy: do you use hosts allow/deny in smb.conf? |
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| 08:40.38 | Bartzy | alxgomz: No... |
| 08:41.37 | alxgomz | Bartzy: can you pastebin your tetsparm output? |
| 08:41.55 | Bartzy | After installing samba, my linux machine should respond to netbios query requests ? |
| 08:42.03 | Bartzy | with my machine's hostname, as defined in /etc/hostname ? |
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| 08:42.26 | alxgomz | it should be but can be overwirtten in smb.conf |
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| 08:46.46 | kn_ | I have a USB Wireless adapter which gives me internet access, a linksys router, two laptops and network cables. How can I set up my network so the laptops don`t have to share the USB WLAN adaptor? Is it possible to use have one laptop use the USB WLAN adaptor and use the laptop as a proxy for the other one, so both can surf at the same time? |
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| 08:49.14 | alxgomz | I installed the ubuntuone deb packages using 'dpkg --force-depends-version". U1 works OK but I have dependencies problem now when I want to use apt later. the apt system tries to remove the previously installed software... |
| 08:49.21 | alxgomz | how can I get rid of this |
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| 08:50.06 | z0d | hello |
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| 08:51.28 | z0d | is there a way to configure like 20 IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces without putting there 20 iface declarations? (without making a script to do that) |
| 08:51.35 | craigevil | alxgomz, remove the ubuntu package that you installed, never install ubuntu on debian |
| 08:51.58 | craigevil | find the source and compile it |
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| 08:53.35 | intore | hi, someone knows how configure pam_mount.conf.xml? |
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| 08:56.11 | JasonWoof | kn_: I'm guessing the laptops don't have builtin wifi? |
| 08:57.11 | JasonWoof | kn_: the usual solution to computers without wifi is to plug them into the router with an ethernet cable |
| 08:57.20 | kn_ | JasonWoof, yes they do. But me and my cousin share this internet connection. He lives across the street and I use a high gain antenna. |
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| 08:57.52 | kn_ | high gain |
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| 08:58.23 | JasonWoof | kn_: if a computer has two network interfaces (eg ethernet and wifi) you can forward internet traffic between them (much like a router) |
| 08:58.49 | kn_ | Can I use my card in infrastructure mode and only give the other laptop access to it? |
| 08:58.49 | themill | dutchfish: yes, that sort of build failure is normally a problem with the toolchain not the package |
| 08:59.24 | kn_ | JasonWoof, how do it do that? |
| 08:59.50 | JasonWoof | kn_: so if your cousin accross the way has a computer plugged into his router with an ethernet cord, and has wifi on that same computer, he can (if he has good drivers) configure his linux box to put that wifi dongle/card in AP mode (where it acts like a base station) and have his computer forward internet traffic to/from the wifi |
| 09:00.11 | JasonWoof | AP mode is generally not well tested |
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| 09:00.22 | JasonWoof | and requires good drivers |
| 09:01.00 | JasonWoof | kn_: the easier solution would be to run an ethernet cable near the window, and put another wireless router on it |
| 09:01.29 | kn_ | I am connecting to his WLAN router directly. That is not the problem. I have a 2nd laptop that my girlfriend uses and we have to switch the USB WLAN all the time. I want to use my laptop to route her traffic through the USB WLAN adapter to my cousin. |
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| 09:01.46 | Guest95831 | !ciao |
| 09:01.47 | dpkg | i guess ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 09:01.52 | Guest95831 | !list |
| 09:01.52 | dpkg | guest95831: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 09:01.53 | kn_ | I have a wireless router. |
| 09:02.04 | JasonWoof | kn_: ahh, so instead you'd like to hook her computer to yours with an ethernet cable? |
| 09:02.05 | Guest95831 | !ciao a tutti |
| 09:02.11 | Guest95831 | !list |
| 09:02.11 | dpkg | guest95831: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 09:02.17 | kn_ | Linksys but I can not put an USB cable into it. It only has cat5 network interfaces. |
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| 09:02.29 | kn_ | JasonWoof, exactly |
| 09:02.39 | JasonWoof | kn_: ok, you can do that |
| 09:02.46 | kn_ | JasonWoof, how? |
| 09:03.06 | kn_ | I have to configure my laptop as a router, somehow. Never done it. |
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| 09:03.29 | JasonWoof | kn_: two things you've got to do: manage her network settings and enable forwarding |
| 09:04.01 | kn_ | JasonWoof, or could I connect my laptop to the linksys router and hers as well so she can connect through me as a gateway? |
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| 09:04.14 | JasonWoof | kn_: probably the easy way to manage the settings (for her at least) is for you to run a dhcp server. That way when you plug the ethernet cable in, her computer will query (over the cable) asking for network settings, and it'll just work |
| 09:04.27 | da78 | nvz: i filled a bug report - problem is now solved: solution upgrade to apt version > 0.8.16 - for me with version 0.9.2 from sid |
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| 09:04.44 | JasonWoof | kn_: no, in this case the router will only make things easier if it's got the long range antenna |
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| 09:05.02 | kn_ | JasonWoof, OK |
| 09:05.38 | kn_ | JasonWoof, thx |
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| 09:06.15 | JasonWoof | kn_: oop, you have three tasks: 1) configure your network settings for your ethernet port to always have the same address, eg 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:06.57 | kn_ | JasonWoof, and make 192.168.1.1 the gateway in her network settings? |
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| 09:07.14 | JasonWoof | kn_: 2) install and configure dnsmasq to answer dns requests on the ethernet port, giving out ips in the 192.168.1.100+ range and giving out itself (192.168.1.1) as the default gateway |
| 09:07.23 | kn_ | Then I can give her a static IP address. There is only her and my laptop in the network. |
| 09:07.26 | dizzylizzy | I issued `aptitude safe-upgrade` typed 'q', and was given "invalid response" and accidentally pressed enter again very quickly, so it started downloading packages. I hit control-c to cancel. How can I cancel the job. |
| 09:07.59 | JasonWoof | kn_: you can, but it's cleaner to do the DHCP thing, that way if she plugs into somebody elses router ever, it won't be using the settings for your network |
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| 09:08.33 | JasonWoof | kn_: also, if you set up DHCP, then you can connect any device, regardless of OS, and it should just work |
| 09:09.25 | kn_ | JasonWoof, sounds good but I am worried about making a mistake. I don't the entire neighborhood use my dhcp server and our internet connection |
| 09:09.37 | kn_ | don't want |
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| 09:10.23 | JasonWoof | kn_: them using your dhcp server doesn't give them internet access, just network settings, which will only work if they're on ethernet |
| 09:10.45 | kn_ | The USB WLAN connection also uses the 192.168 private network range. How can the dhcp server only serve the eth0 network? |
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| 09:12.22 | JasonWoof | 192.168 isn't a single network, the next set of digits are significant too |
| 09:12.38 | JasonWoof | ie 192.168.1.1 is on a different network than 192.168.2.1 |
| 09:12.52 | kn_ | JasonWoof, I know |
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| 09:13.05 | kn_ | class c :) |
| 09:13.07 | alxgomz | craigevil: am sure apt is flexible enough to fix the semi-problem |
| 09:13.24 | JasonWoof | dnsmasq has a setting for which network device(es) it respends to dhcp requests over |
| 09:13.45 | JasonWoof | you just put this in your /etc/dnsmasq.conf: interface=eth0 |
| 09:13.56 | craigevil | alxgomz, nope if you do not want a broken system do not install ubuntu packages on debian |
| 09:13.59 | dizzylizzy | How do changes made in /etc/default/keyboard go into effect for X? I've run setupcon as requested by the readme, I've rebooted, nothing. |
| 09:14.23 | kn_ | But how to you thell the network card to route traffic to the USB wireless connection? |
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| 09:14.42 | JasonWoof | kn_: anyway, you don't have to do the DHCP thing |
| 09:15.15 | JasonWoof | kn_: ok, routing, first you have to enable routing generally. run as root: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 09:15.25 | JasonWoof | that doesn't immediately do anything |
| 09:15.42 | JasonWoof | but it needs to be enabled for the routing configs we'll get to to work |
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| 09:16.08 | JasonWoof | the above command should last across reboots, so you should only have to do it just this once |
| 09:16.50 | kn_ | JasonWoof, where in that command is eth0 adressed? |
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| 09:17.32 | JasonWoof | the above just tells the kernel that when there are forwarding rules, it should actually execute them. by default they are ignored |
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| 09:18.28 | kn_ | JasonWoof, ok |
| 09:18.50 | JasonWoof | kn_: next we put in a forwarding rule. as root: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s IP_ADDR_OF_GF -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 09:19.36 | JasonWoof | that might do it, but I usually do the following two commands also. I'm not sure if they're required or not |
| 09:19.49 | JasonWoof | iptables -A FORWARD -i wlan0 -o eth0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:20.02 | JasonWoof | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o wlan0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:20.19 | JasonWoof | so the above three commands don't persist over reboots |
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| 09:20.47 | JasonWoof | so put them in a script, call them from /etc/rc.local or whatever |
| 09:21.33 | JasonWoof | the first one tells the linux kernel to enable router mode between your GF's ip address and your network card wlan0 |
| 09:22.20 | JasonWoof | the other two explicitly allow certain kinds of traffic, and maybe (I'm a little fuzzy on this part) help in know what traffic is supposed to be forwarded to GF's computer |
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| 09:23.12 | kn_ | JasonWoof, cool. I an not try it out at the moment but I copied your instructions to a text file. Awesome. Thx |
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| 09:23.45 | JasonWoof | kn_: cool. one more thing. |
| 09:24.41 | JasonWoof | kn_: here's how you set your ethernet port to configure early in boot process and automatically have the same IP all the time. Put the following in /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/167516/ |
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| 09:25.35 | JasonWoof | kn_: if you don't do dhcp, you'll have to figure out how to tell her computer what the default gateway is, and dns servers and stuff |
| 09:25.55 | kn_ | I copied the link and I will check it out. Linux rules(and so does the linux community). Thx for your help. I gotta run in a minute. |
| 09:26.10 | JasonWoof | you're welcome |
| 09:26.14 | kn_ | :) |
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| 09:26.42 | JasonWoof | there might be some easy graphical app that does this for you |
| 09:26.51 | kn_ | Have a great day JasonWoof . I am off. Girlfriend's calling .... |
| 09:27.00 | JasonWoof | you too |
| 09:27.02 | kn_ | CU |
| 09:27.06 | kn_ | thx |
| 09:27.11 | JasonWoof | later. yw |
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| 09:41.32 | dizzylizzy | xingu, How can I make changes made with xinput --set-prop persist after reboot? |
| 09:41.52 | trysten | dizzylizzy: startup scripts mostly |
| 09:42.10 | dizzylizzy | Right, I want to change the configuration of X |
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| 09:42.39 | dizzylizzy | but xorg.conf does not exist, which might explain why my settings in /etc/default/keyboard never apply even after reboot |
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| 09:43.43 | dizzylizzy | should I create a xorg.conf by the normal means then |
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| 09:43.55 | JasonWoof | dizzylizzy: I selected dvorak when I installed debian, it's the default for X too |
| 09:44.22 | dizzylizzy | that's nice but it doesn't work for me. |
| 09:44.25 | JasonWoof | dizzylizzy: I don't know how to change it later, just wanted to chime in and say I think you can get X to use a different layout by default without an xorg.conf |
| 09:44.36 | dizzylizzy | Right |
| 09:44.49 | dizzylizzy | because it is in /etc/default/keyboard I'm betting |
| 09:44.53 | dizzylizzy | the dvorak |
| 09:45.04 | dizzylizzy | but i added a valid option in there and it is not being recognized at all |
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| 09:46.33 | JasonWoof | I've got: /etc/default/keyboard:XKBVARIANT="dvorak" |
| 09:46.58 | dizzylizzy | that's what's making it dvorak I'm betting. |
| 09:47.15 | dizzylizzy | i have XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps" |
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| 09:48.06 | JasonWoof | fancy |
| 09:48.30 | JasonWoof | I fiddle with the keyboard settings from a shell script |
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| 09:48.48 | dizzylizzy | I can't change capslock to control no matter what I do |
| 09:49.03 | dizzylizzy | I am stuck with this laptop now and there is a Fn key in the lower-left |
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| 09:49.31 | JasonWoof | I've got code to change capslock to super, hopefully you can figure out what to change: http://paste.debian.net/167518/ |
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| 09:49.50 | JasonWoof | yeah, can't remap fn, because it doesn't send keypress events |
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| 09:50.42 | JasonWoof | swapping the up arrow and shift key on my laptop was trickier, because I had to disable auto-repeat |
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| 09:51.39 | JasonWoof | here's my laptop keyboard fix script: http://paste.debian.net/167519/ |
| 09:52.25 | JasonWoof | I found it really really hard to figure out how to get that working right |
| 09:52.57 | dizzylizzy | aha |
| 09:53.13 | JasonWoof | whoever designed xmodmap doesn't think like me at all |
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| 09:54.09 | JasonWoof | dizzylizzy: well, I'm off to bed. Happy hacking. I hope you get your keyboard tweaked with a lot less pain than I had. |
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| 09:54.29 | dizzylizzy | thank you |
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| 10:35.27 | obiwahn | how do i make apt to ignoreument dpes? |
| 10:35.31 | obiwahn | deps? |
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| 10:37.46 | nsadmin | obiwahn and specifically in this case, you're trying to install what version or what package? |
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| 10:49.33 | obiwahn | i am on ubuntu and try to install debians version of xpra |
| 10:49.53 | xand | ubuntu is not supported here |
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| 10:49.58 | obiwahn | i am using my girls laptop atm because my battery broke:( |
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| 10:50.25 | obiwahn | and their version is not compatible with sid's :( |
| 10:50.34 | obiwahn | xand: go eat fish:) |
| 10:50.51 | xand | don't be disgusting. |
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| 10:52.27 | obiwahn | so stop trolling - it was a straigt apt/debian question - nothing ubuntu specific |
| 10:53.11 | xand | no, asking ubuntu questions in here is offtopic |
| 10:53.12 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 10:53.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 10:53.14 | obiwahn | i solved it by altering the control file inthe deb ... i whish there was a simpler way - not taht it is too hard:( |
| 10:53.26 | obiwahn | and? |
| 10:53.33 | xand | and nothing. |
| 10:53.47 | xand | not using debian? don't waste our time with your questions. |
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| 10:54.35 | obiwahn | ok again (where is my spoon:) - my question was not about ubuntu |
| 10:54.52 | xand | you stated you're using ubuntu, so it clearly was. |
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| 10:55.47 | obiwahn | you should do politics:) - fits your intellect |
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| 10:55.53 | themill | obiwahn: it is most definitely a question about how best to break your ubuntu system. Please keep questions about your ubuntu system in #ubuntu. Thanks. |
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| 11:15.17 | raspiproblems | hello |
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| 11:19.44 | raspiproblems | I added a command to a shell script file in init.d which runs at startup. This command however is one which if you ran it in terminal the only way you could escape would be by using control z or closing the terminal window. Seeing as I stupidly put it in a run level 2 script, I cannot get any further in startup than this script! |
| 11:19.51 | raspiproblems | How can i solve this? |
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| 11:22.27 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: boot in single user mode; replace direct call of command with one that daemonizes it. Use the "daemon" tool. Sometimes using start-stop-daemon or merely running the command in background & can help. |
| 11:22.29 | Parsec300 | raspiproblems, don't know for sure, but you could start up with a CD/USB distro, then delete the script |
| 11:22.55 | jelly-hme | ,info daemon |
| 11:22.56 | judd | Package daemon (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: turns other processes into daemons. Version: 0.6.4-1; Size: 81.0k; Installed: 244k; Homepage: http://www.libslack.org/daemon/ |
| 11:23.12 | raspiproblems | how do I boot in single user mode? |
| 11:23.18 | Parsec300 | Or...that |
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| 11:23.36 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: it's the "rescue" option in the default boot menu |
| 11:23.43 | maylow | hi |
| 11:23.43 | maylow | i have a question about fontconfig |
| 11:23.43 | maylow | cannot find a clue in gogle |
| 11:23.44 | maylow | that is - how do i use the <not> tag in .font.config |
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| 11:24.05 | Parsec300 | How come the command 'adduser --encrypt-home [user]' works in Ubuntu, but not in Debian? |
| 11:24.26 | jelly-hme | Parsec300: ubuntu is a different OS, with different features. |
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| 11:24.52 | maylow | anyone any experience with fontconfig? |
| 11:25.21 | raspiproblems | I have no boot menu! There is no time to input before this starts. The OS is debian squeeze on a sd card with read only permissions so I can't edit the file from another computer |
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| 11:27.06 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: what do you mean "read only permissions", how were you able to mess with the init scripts then? |
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| 11:27.54 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: how did you install the OS? |
| 11:28.49 | raspiproblems | Well when I booted up before i had messed with the init.d script I just logged in with the default login which made me root and changed the script with sudo nano |
| 11:28.54 | Parsec300 | jelly-hme, but Ubuntu is based on Debian. I thought at least so much would be the same |
| 11:29.24 | raspiproblems | The OS is just an image on an SD card |
| 11:29.55 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: but it's obviously not read-only |
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| 11:30.26 | jelly-hme | Parsec300: ah. Well, now you know better |
| 11:30.57 | raspiproblems | When I plug the sd into my other computer, through an sd reader I can't write files only read them |
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| 11:31.51 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: how do you mount it? Are you accessing the mountpoint as root? |
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| 11:32.59 | raspiproblems | no? how would I do that? |
| 11:33.08 | jelly-hme | in short, do you know how unix permissions work? |
| 11:33.39 | raspiproblems | not really |
| 11:33.50 | jelly-hme | !permissions |
| 11:33.50 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 11:34.36 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: you have to be root to get write permissions for most system files |
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| 11:35.15 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: typically this is achieved using "su", "sudo" or logging as root directly |
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| 11:37.01 | raspiproblems | yes I know that but I am on a different computer with a different root user to the sd cards, when i do a df I get this computers hard drives and then the sd card with the os on it |
| 11:38.03 | maylow | anyone familiar with fonconfig xml configuration syntax? |
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| 11:39.06 | raspiproblems | so basically I have access to the files on the os but I can't change them because although I am root on this computer, I am not on the os filesystem |
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| 11:40.28 | zagabar | I want to install debian experimental from a USB stick. What image would I use? I only find USB stuff for stable. |
| 11:40.32 | forestbird | raspiproblems: you are root but not on the FS? that doesn't make any sense |
| 11:41.07 | syslq | zagabar: use stable and upgrade |
| 11:41.13 | Kylyox | zagabar: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:41.41 | forestbird | zagabar: or testing and upgrade |
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| 11:42.02 | DragonSlay | raspiproblems: are you talking about file ownership? |
| 11:42.03 | zagabar | Okay thanks. :) |
| 11:42.12 | zagabar | What is the difference between sid and experimental btw? |
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| 11:44.28 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: that might mean you've mounted the SD as read-only. verify its mount options with "mount" command |
| 11:45.05 | raspiproblems | Yes sorry, I was under the impression that I wouldn't be able to edit the file with sudo nano on this computer because the owner was root on the other computer. I tried sudo nano and i was able to edit it sorry for the confusion |
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| 11:46.40 | raspiproblems | so how can I run the command in the background? |
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| 11:47.24 | DragonSlay | raspiproblems: use & at the end of command |
| 11:47.33 | becker_11 | I want to install xfce desktop but without all the extra programs as I already have a running system is there a general package for xfce like gnome-core |
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| 11:49.29 | becker_11 | or would it be possible to just install all of xfce4 and then remove the parts I don't use later? |
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| 11:50.55 | lukash_ | Hi. Is there simple-cdd professionals available? |
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| 11:52.03 | fasta | What is a decent program to select json objects on the command line? |
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| 11:52.49 | jelly-hme | raspiproblems: again. Use "daemon" tool instead of just adding & when using that in an init script |
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| 11:59.59 | streuner | !backports |
| 11:59.59 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:00.43 | streuner | lukash_: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 12:07.56 | dawud | heelo, I'm installing squeeze in a raid1+crypt+lvm. there are two partitions in the main raid: a 150MB for boot and the rest for crypt+lvm. debian installer can't install grub bootloader, no matter if a choose MBR or a /dev, any pointers? |
| 12:08.05 | dawud | s/heelo/hello |
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| 12:10.52 | Patsantre | why debian packaging is so complex? |
| 12:10.52 | Patsantre | :( |
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| 12:15.55 | dawud | additionally, this is software raid, via mdadm, suppossedly well supported by the di |
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| 12:19.57 | sistematico | Hello all. |
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| 12:20.53 | sistematico | I'm having some doubts to create a DEB package. |
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| 12:21.44 | sistematico | How should I fill in the rules file? |
| 12:22.28 | sistematico | I'm trying to create a package gtkman. ( http://freecode.com/projects/gtkman ) |
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| 12:23.19 | sistematico | Only ./compile.sh and ./install.sh on next line? |
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| 12:23.38 | sistematico | I start the package with dh_make. |
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| 12:24.44 | sistematico | I'm a little lost, I've read the guide for debian maintainers but it is not yet clear. |
| 12:24.55 | sistematico | Anyone can help? |
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| 12:37.58 | Patsantre | sistematico, similar problems... the debian packaging process seems to be very boring |
| 12:38.16 | sistematico | Patsantre: heh |
| 12:38.36 | intore | hi, could someone help me on samba-ldap? i have problems mounting the directory of homes users from the server on my client. i installed pam_mount but am not sure about the configuration. |
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| 12:39.56 | Patsantre | sistematico, moreover, I make kernel packages... and I have good sex with them... |
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| 12:49.44 | neo^ | why aren't all the shutdown events logged to my /var/log/messages ? The only two things that are logged during shutdown are "shutting down for system halt" and "kernel logging stopped". Where are the all the "services stopped" messages? |
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| 13:30.50 | intore | hi, mounting a cifs filesystem with right credential i have always an error message: mount error(6): no such device or address. |
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| 13:31.47 | intore | sorry for two lines. it doesn't give me error mounting another partition on the same disk. i need help, please please! |
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| 13:34.40 | pie_ | this is without x, how can i make a command run the first time a tty is logged into? |
| 13:35.16 | pie_ | so logging in to another tty would not run it |
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| 13:38.38 | maylow | hi |
| 13:38.59 | maylow | i can't make my mint/debian installation produce sound |
| 13:39.14 | maylow | i can hear a beep when i restart it |
| 13:39.23 | maylow | so it's not a cable problem |
| 13:39.30 | maylow | can anyone help? |
| 13:39.43 | themill | maylow: mint help is in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, not #debian |
| 13:40.26 | maylow | themill: i know, no one is responding there |
| 13:40.31 | maylow | and it's still debian |
| 13:40.58 | maylow | i tried a few things - to me everything seems to be allright |
| 13:41.02 | themill | it's clearly not still debian by the time it's called something else. Patience... |
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| 13:41.29 | maylow | themill: ok, you are not eager to help |
| 13:41.32 | maylow | anyone else? |
| 13:42.40 | themill | wishes that people would consider the availability of support before choosing a distro (or creating one) |
| 13:43.02 | moty66 | There is a problem with the mirror freedom.dicea.unifi.it, where I can report this? |
| 13:43.40 | xand | maylow: no you picked the wrong channel :) |
| 13:43.56 | xand | moty66: probably whoever runs the mirror |
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| 13:44.24 | maylow | xand: it's a linux channel, right :) |
| 13:44.38 | somiaj | maylow: no this is a #debian channel. /j #linux |
| 13:44.42 | xand | !based on debian |
| 13:44.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:44.57 | themill | moty66: what's the issue? |
| 13:45.49 | maylow | dpkg: i'm looking for help, not for support |
| 13:45.49 | dpkg | no idea, maylow |
| 13:45.58 | moty66 | themill: I don't know exactly, but I can't do the net-install of wheezy from that mirror, when I switched to another one, everything works fine |
| 13:46.10 | xand | maylow: help is support. |
| 13:46.12 | themill | moty66: what architecture are you installing for? |
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| 13:46.51 | somiaj | moty66: not all mirriors will mirror all versions of debian. Some may choose to only mirror stable. That could be the case with that mirror. |
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| 13:47.16 | moty66 | themill: i386 |
| 13:47.37 | themill | the mirror admin of that one obviously doesn't keep a good eye on the mirror as it's accidentally picked up s390x and armhf. |
| 13:48.34 | moty66 | somiaj: it will be nice if the installer check the mirrors before listing them |
| 13:48.59 | themill | moty66: I can't see anything actually wrong with that mirror |
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| 13:49.35 | moty66 | themill: I am still in the middle of the installation, I can go back and pick that mirror again |
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| 13:49.53 | somiaj | yea, it does appear to have testing on it. Should have looked before I spoke |
| 13:49.55 | moty66 | themill: but I don't know how to debug the problem |
| 13:50.04 | themill | moty66: an exact error message would be handy. The error might be on a different tty |
| 13:50.09 | somiaj | moty66: are you using the testing installer? |
| 13:50.25 | moty66 | somiaj: yes |
| 13:50.58 | somiaj | the testing installer isn't a reliable way to install testing. |
| 13:51.56 | moty66 | somiaj: testing installer works fine with it.ftp.debian.org but not with that mirror |
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| 13:52.54 | moty66 | themill: yep, in tt1 I can see the debugging messages |
| 13:52.58 | somiaj | the testing installer is to test the new install features more than it is relaiable to install testing. Though can't find a nice dpkg factoid on it. |
| 13:53.36 | tidux | any news on a Wheezy freeze? |
| 13:53.59 | tidux | I know Wheezy's going to stick with the 3.2 kernel and Iceweasel 10, but other than that I haven't seen any news |
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| 13:55.02 | somiaj | moty66: #debian-boot no irc.oftc.net may be of use to you as well. But I wouldn't say a problem with the testing installer is an issue with the mirror. Could be something minor that hasn't been fully tested. |
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| 13:55.22 | somiaj | moty66: but if you can install just fine from another mirror, you can easily switch your sources.list once you get a base system installed. |
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| 13:56.19 | moty66 | somiaj: thanks, I just wanted to report a problem on that mirror, but I don't know the correct way to do it :) |
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| 13:59.04 | Trewas | tidux: I guess freeze is still planned for june, but I haven't seen updates about that in a while |
| 13:59.41 | tidux | k |
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| 14:01.32 | oops | Please recommend a screencast software for Debian. |
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| 14:26.30 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 14:27.02 | Posterdati | please how can I broadcast a message over bluetooth using a debian server? |
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| 14:39.23 | pfred1 | how can I find out why aptitude wants to uninstall a package? |
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| 14:40.49 | o11c | pfred1: check its dependencies? |
| 14:41.02 | Iridos | perhaps aptitude why-not <package>? |
| 14:41.09 | pfred1 | o11c the package aptitude is hating on? |
| 14:41.29 | Iridos | actually depends |
| 14:41.30 | pfred1 | Iridos sounds promising I'll give it a shot thanks |
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| 14:42.00 | Iridos | why-not is really more for packages it doesnt want to install |
| 14:42.11 | pfred1 | it can't find a reason but everytime I invoke aptitude install it still wants to scub this one package I've installed |
| 14:42.24 | Iridos | what package is it |
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| 14:42.29 | pfred1 | ttf-unifont |
| 14:42.49 | Iridos | pfred1, just do aptitude install ttf-unifont |
| 14:43.11 | pfred1 | Iridos it is installed now but everytime I want to install anything else aptitude wants to uninstall it |
| 14:43.22 | pfred1 | for apparently no good reason |
| 14:43.34 | pfred1 | Unable to find a reason to remove ttf-unifont. |
| 14:43.37 | o11c | since it's not an essential package, try installing something else so it gets removed, and then install it |
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| 14:43.54 | Iridos | pfred1, just do what I say _anyway_ |
| 14:44.05 | pfred1 | o11c that may work but what about the next time I want to install something with aptitude? |
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| 14:44.24 | o11c | well, if I'm right, it will fail, but give you a better error message |
| 14:44.35 | o11c | it can't be *every* package that conflicts with it |
| 14:44.38 | pfred1 | should i just alias aptitude to aptitude install %s ttf-unifont |
| 14:44.47 | Iridos | no |
| 14:44.51 | pfred1 | o11c there ain't no conflict |
| 14:44.58 | Iridos | just run aptitude install ttf-unifont |
| 14:45.01 | pfred1 | its a freaking truetype font for crying out loud |
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| 14:45.15 | Iridos | oh well, or ignore me |
| 14:45.23 | o11c | pfred1: any package can have conflict/replace markers. Granted, i'm not sure *why* it would |
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| 14:45.59 | pfred1 | at first i thought it might because i was installing something related but then I tried installing something completely unrelated and again aptitude wants to uninstall this particular package |
| 14:46.14 | pfred1 | aptitude is hating on this package! |
| 14:46.30 | pfred1 | granted it is one oddball thing |
| 14:46.34 | o11c | personally I use apt-get, but I don't see why aptitude would be any different |
| 14:46.42 | Iridos | funny... sometimes I feel people can't hear me |
| 14:46.57 | pfred1 | a 16MB font |
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| 14:47.17 | raptor67782 | a question. how to MV (mv) move a file wiht rsync $source $target ? |
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| 14:48.04 | o11c | Iridos: not ignoring you, just wonder how that would change anything |
| 14:48.09 | Iridos | o11c, it's not a dependency issue |
| 14:48.12 | o11c | unless aptitude is really stupid ... |
| 14:48.24 | Iridos | no... aptitude is really intelligent, which is stupid |
| 14:48.24 | o11c | and tries to run 'autoremove' every time anything changes ... |
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| 14:48.45 | o11c | in which case what you said would be quite reasonable |
| 14:48.55 | Iridos | oh, it does that, too, but this isn't a package that was pulled in by a dependency, so it's not autoremove |
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| 14:49.20 | Iridos | I suspect he told aptitude to remove it, then ^C out of it and aptitude keeps remembering the operation and tries to do it |
| 14:49.36 | Iridos | as he seems unable to just run one basic command and tell if it changes anything, though.... |
| 14:49.39 | Iridos | wanders off |
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| 14:51.50 | Iridos | I mean... would be nice to be sure you're right before you explain a lot of stuff on a hunch what the problem is |
| 14:51.59 | pfred1 | i A ttf-unifont - TrueType version of the GNU Unifont |
| 14:52.40 | Iridos | there's one letter missing |
| 14:52.43 | pfred1 | Iridos I cannot say as i recall ctrl+C in aptitude |
| 14:53.03 | pfred1 | Iridos that is all there is sorry if it does not live up to your standards |
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| 14:53.30 | oops | how can I find out my sound device? |
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| 14:53.45 | oops | I mean is it hw:0,0 or something else? |
| 14:53.53 | themill | dpkg: tell pfred1 about unmarkauto |
| 14:53.54 | Sm0ke0ut | lspci or dmidecode |
| 14:54.00 | oops | I need to specify it in the --device argument of recordmydesktop |
| 14:54.05 | Iridos | pfred1, or you have one space too many... is it "iA"? |
| 14:54.55 | pfred1 | Iridos it is a direct copy paste out of another terminal |
| 14:55.13 | o11c | oops: try arecord -l / arecord -L |
| 14:56.05 | o11c | oops: er, you actually want aplay |
| 14:56.14 | Iridos | hm, the manpage tells about that |
| 14:57.13 | oops | o11c, http://pastebin.com/yPCyULfi - now how can I get what I should feed to recordmydesktop? |
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| 15:03.14 | o11c | oops: ah, you've got pulse. That *should* simplify things immensely |
| 15:04.32 | oops | o11c, so what should I specify as the --device argument for recordmydesktop? |
| 15:04.44 | o11c | oops: try --device default |
| 15:04.51 | oops | o11c, that doesn't work |
| 15:05.00 | oops | it records a faint noise. |
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| 15:06.02 | moty66 | why python-vte is not installed with wheezy, I can't fire a bug using GTK+ UI |
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| 15:09.30 | o11c | oops: well, it definitely *does* want a pcm device ... |
| 15:09.56 | oops | o11c, how do I figure what I need to specify? I don't knw much about pulse audio. |
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| 15:14.39 | o11c | oops: huh, I can't make it work either, but it definitely *accepts* the strings from aplay -L |
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| 15:16.24 | Mohsen_Hassani | While upgrading my VPS to wheezy it stopped upgrading and now I have so many broken packages... |
| 15:16.57 | Woet | Mohsen_Hassani: restore to the backup you made before upgrading and try again |
| 15:17.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | I get the error E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 15:18.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | Woet, mmm.. I don't know how to make a backup. So I didn't! |
| 15:19.01 | Woet | Mohsen_Hassani: then the machine is either worthless and you can reinstall with squeeze or you shouldn't be managing it in the first place |
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| 15:19.50 | Mohsen_Hassani | Woet, I've rented it for studying purpose. I mean I have nothing that important on it, and I've just starting learning working with VPS. |
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| 15:20.03 | pfred1 | then reinstall |
| 15:20.04 | Woet | Mohsen_Hassani: then I would recommend reinstalling it with squeeze |
| 15:20.31 | loop- | which kernel is the current debian testing using at the moment 3.2.4? |
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| 15:20.37 | pfred1 | I've done over installs and that works better than I'd think it would |
| 15:20.56 | pfred1 | just install but don't format the partition |
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| 15:21.38 | ladowacharpuny | do you know any 100% working way to backup gmail with attachments under linux? |
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| 15:22.35 | Mohsen_Hassani | pfred1, Woet, What made me install wheezy is that I've developed a website using django to pronounce some language words. It woks good on my laptop (wheezy), but it was not producing the same good pronunciations on the squeez. So I just wanted to make it like my Laptop. Was it wrong? |
| 15:22.42 | o11c | ladowacharpuny: um, just use any pop3 or imap client |
| 15:22.53 | Woet | ladowacharpuny: http://www.gmail-backup.com/download works fine for a co-worker of mine, haven't tried it myself |
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| 15:23.23 | Woet | Mohsen_Hassani: how is that relevant to the fact you should reinstall? |
| 15:24.12 | Mohsen_Hassani | Woet, Sure it is not relevant, but I wanted to know if I was wrong with installing wheezy? |
| 15:24.36 | pfred1 | Mohsen_Hassani if you need one part newer you can install it from source |
| 15:25.05 | themill | python-django is also on backports so you can just use that... |
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| 15:25.20 | pfred1 | themill there is that too |
| 15:26.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | well I searched and asked in this channel earlier weeks too. They all told me it's so difficult to install espeak and festival using source and backports. |
| 15:26.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | Since I saw it was so difficult I just decided to switch to wheezy. Just like the version on my Laptop. |
| 15:26.44 | pfred1 | I guess the yleft about the part about upgrading doesn't always go well |
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| 15:29.01 | Mohsen_Hassani | my VPS current version of linux is i686. Can I install (or ask the company to install) a 64 bit linux? |
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| 15:31.12 | o11c | Mohsen_Hassani: it depends on your processor |
| 15:31.38 | o11c | Mohsen_Hassani: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 15:35.10 | ladowacharpuny | Woet: how he install it? |
| 15:35.19 | ladowacharpuny | under debian now you cant have python 2.5 |
| 15:35.22 | ladowacharpuny | and on 2.6 dont wrok |
| 15:35.31 | ladowacharpuny | under wine it crash and crash over 1000 mails download |
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| 15:36.08 | ladowacharpuny | o11c: pop3? this is againts rfc |
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| 15:37.51 | o11c | what's wrong with pop3? |
| 15:38.06 | o11c | assuming you use appropriate encryption |
| 15:39.09 | rgr | Nothing. |
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| 15:41.43 | rgr | But if IMAP is available its generally a preferred solution. |
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| 15:45.26 | Wizard | Hi. |
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| 15:50.28 | ladowacharpuny | do you know any *****100% working way***** (no that you think can work, because I testing half day some tools) to backup gmail with attachments under linux? |
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| 15:52.21 | xand | use IMAP |
| 15:52.24 | Wizard | langkid1: Using Icedove, configuring IMAP account, selecting "download all messages from server"? |
| 15:52.45 | digdilem | r, that should work fine |
| 15:52.58 | digdilem | you need to enable imap in gmail's options first, but after that it's easy |
| 15:53.53 | Wizard | You can also use other email client, claws-mail uses Mailbox for storing emails. |
| 15:54.07 | ladowacharpuny | noone know? |
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| 15:54.24 | digdilem | ladowacharpuny, er, read what we've just said? |
| 15:54.28 | digdilem | that was all for your benefit |
| 15:54.33 | Wizard | ladowacharpuny: ah, wrong hilight. Read above. |
| 15:54.38 | pfred1 | I have a gmail account I should really check and see if anything is in it someday ... |
| 15:54.49 | ladowacharpuny | ok but this is still not working way |
| 15:54.51 | ladowacharpuny | IMAP is protocol |
| 15:55.04 | ladowacharpuny | i can't just use it, i need program |
| 15:55.05 | Wizard | grins. |
| 15:55.10 | ladowacharpuny | and noone what i tested working |
| 15:55.15 | digdilem | I'll leave it for others with more patience to explain... |
| 15:55.17 | ladowacharpuny | and i do it half day |
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| 15:55.28 | Wizard | Duh. |
| 15:55.35 | DragonSlay | ladowacharpuny: use pop3. |
| 15:55.38 | tremon | then, there's also getmail... |
| 15:55.39 | pfred1 | digdilem that was classic IRC noone know? |
| 15:55.42 | ladowacharpuny | everything crashing after 1000k |
| 15:55.48 | ladowacharpuny | pop3 cant work |
| 15:55.52 | ladowacharpuny | if you know what is pop3 |
| 15:56.00 | ladowacharpuny | how you will download attachments with pop3? |
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| 15:56.10 | ladowacharpuny | is there someone know any working way? |
| 15:56.21 | digdilem | "..." |
| 15:56.24 | ladowacharpuny | because i really dont have more time for made crash tests |
| 15:56.26 | DragonSlay | i have downlaoded attachements with pop3 |
| 15:56.33 | Wizard | Is there any dedicated channel for debian/powerpc? |
| 15:56.33 | themill | dpkg: tell ladowacharpuny about enter |
| 15:56.33 | DragonSlay | client:evolution |
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| 15:56.44 | digdilem | attachments are just lumps of code inside emails, download the email you get them included |
| 15:56.48 | themill | Wizard: yeah, there's a #debianppc both here and on oftc |
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| 15:57.13 | Wizard | Thanks, themill. |
| 15:57.44 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: there is no neat way, it is not a debian problem it is a google problem, please consult their site, be aware what you are talking about is often complained about (though not here) |
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| 15:58.17 | ladowacharpuny | so debian can't backup gmail |
| 15:58.22 | ladowacharpuny | windows can then |
| 15:58.25 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: did I say that? |
| 15:58.35 | themill | ladowacharpuny: any imap client can do it just fine as you've been told many times |
| 15:58.37 | ompaul | all of the options for backing up google are horrid |
| 15:59.10 | pfred1 | ompaul when you're done with this can you download the Internet to a floppy for me please? |
| 15:59.23 | ompaul | pfred1: certainly ;-) |
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| 15:59.40 | DragonSlay | ladowacharpuny: stop making fun, we are spending valuable time. |
| 15:59.41 | ladowacharpuny | themill: define any imap client |
| 15:59.45 | Xtreme | is there a snipping tool in debian? |
| 15:59.45 | damaxus | i didn't see fetchmail in backlogs - that would seem to be a viable option, no? |
| 15:59.46 | ladowacharpuny | because what i test that dont work |
| 15:59.53 | ladowacharpuny | and crash etc |
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| 16:00.08 | gkscal | i've anger with flashplugin, can anybody help? |
| 16:00.09 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: icedove |
| 16:00.23 | themill | ladowacharpuny: please stop rambling, stop hitting enter every few words and provide real information other than "doesn't work". |
| 16:00.23 | ladowacharpuny | DragonSlay: funny is that that you dont know about what i talking |
| 16:00.29 | pfred1 | gkscal lately vdpau has made me feel blue about flash here too |
| 16:00.30 | ladowacharpuny | DragonSlay: do you know what is pop3 and imap? |
| 16:00.40 | ladowacharpuny | 17:55 < DragonSlay> ladowacharpuny: use pop3. |
| 16:00.48 | ladowacharpuny | [..]to backup gmail with attachments |
| 16:00.51 | ladowacharpuny | great... |
| 16:00.55 | ladowacharpuny | rtfm then |
| 16:00.59 | themill | ladowacharpuny: any pop3 client would also work fine. |
| 16:01.10 | ladowacharpuny | lol |
| 16:01.21 | ladowacharpuny | read then what pop3 is |
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| 16:01.41 | themill | ladowacharpuny: until you start providing useful information to us, that's the answer you're going to get "use a pop3 or imap client". |
| 16:01.45 | DragonSlay | you cannot backup.. EVER. and your emails are lost forever. |
| 16:01.49 | zagabar | I am having problems with my wifi card on my notebook. It is using ath9k. It has a valid hardware address and I can see my network device in lspci. But the state of wlan0 is "unmanaged" and I can't find any networks. What can I try? |
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| 16:01.53 | damaxus | here's a .fetchmailrc entry that may be useful: |
| 16:01.54 | damaxus | poll imap.gmail.com timeout 120 proto IMAP port 993 user you@gmail.com no keep no rewrite ssl fetchall password p4ssw0rd |
| 16:02.02 | damaxus | well |
| 16:02.04 | damaxus | actually |
| 16:02.08 | damaxus | that'd be to fully download |
| 16:02.11 | o11c | zagabar: are you using a DE with networkmanager? |
| 16:02.13 | damaxus | (the no keep part) |
| 16:02.37 | damaxus | change no keep to just keep |
| 16:02.51 | zagabar | o11c: gnome with network-tools installed. tried network settings and wicd but the device seems dead to them and they cannot find anything |
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| 16:03.16 | pfred1 | zagabar wicd didn't work for me but networkmanager did |
| 16:03.19 | o11c | zagabar: normally I use nm-applet |
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| 16:03.35 | o11c | (even in KDE for a while ... but not the kde network manager is working again) |
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| 16:03.39 | o11c | *now |
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| 16:04.05 | zagabar | pfred1: which network manager? |
| 16:04.05 | pfred1 | my laptop is sitting dead now because nothing but networkmanager worked for wi-fi |
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| 16:04.11 | zagabar | o11c: I'll try that one |
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| 16:04.26 | o11c | zagabar: remember, you can't use both manual configuration *and* networkmanager |
| 16:04.46 | zagabar | o11c: Oh that is the normal tray icon one? |
| 16:04.54 | o11c | zagabar: yeah |
| 16:05.10 | zagabar | o11c: Hmmm I see. Perhaps I messed something up when I entered and removed the network manually |
| 16:05.14 | o11c | the point is: if you try to configure it manually, it breaks |
| 16:05.17 | pfred1 | remember you can't use networkmanager without apache |
| 16:05.25 | o11c | pfred1: wtf? |
| 16:05.34 | pfred1 | o11c it needs it for help |
| 16:05.45 | pfred1 | o11c but that was my reaction when I found out |
| 16:05.51 | zagabar | o11c: so how do I unbreak it if I fiddled manually? |
| 16:06.02 | themill | pfred1: umm... that's not true at all |
| 16:06.13 | pfred1 | themill tell it to aptitude on my laptop |
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| 16:06.26 | o11c | pfred1: use apt-get and everyone is happy |
| 16:06.37 | themill | pfred1: mrs themill's laptop quite happily has n-m on it without apache. |
| 16:06.39 | pfred1 | themill when I uninstaqlled apache it uninstalled gnome and there went networkmanager |
| 16:06.40 | zagabar | o11c: as soon as I turn the wireless on in nm-applet it goes to "unmanaged" |
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| 16:06.45 | o11c | (incidentally, I love the idea of the new apt-daemon) |
| 16:06.52 | themill | pfred1: gnome != network-manager |
| 16:07.14 | ladowacharpuny | DragonSlay: u r stupid kid as hell |
| 16:07.15 | o11c | (still doesn't have truly parallel capabilities, but can pretend (auth for both at the beginning)) |
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| 16:07.48 | o11c | pfred1: as noted: if aptitude is running 'autoremove' for you, aptitude is stupid |
| 16:07.55 | themill | ladowacharpuny: that's uncalled for. People have given up helping you because you seem not to want to be helped. |
| 16:08.19 | themill | o11c: or the user should be trained not to leave mess lying around that needs cleaning up |
| 16:08.41 | o11c | themill: I mean with the 'remove apache -> remove gnome -> autoremove every packaged used by gnome' |
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| 16:08.50 | pfred1 | o11c gnome isn't my fave DE anyways so I tried wicd I mean I really tried everything and nothing |
| 16:08.51 | tremon | o11c: apt-daemon? |
| 16:09.10 | o11c | well, in testing |
| 16:09.14 | o11c | aptdcon |
| 16:09.30 | themill | o11c: no, gnome is a metapackage. You can have gnome installed without having the "gnome" package. You can have network-manager installed without having the "gnome" package installed. /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 16:09.51 | o11c | themill: the metapackage thing is the problem with running autoremove for you |
| 16:09.56 | tremon | o11c: ah, thanks, will look at it |
| 16:10.01 | zagabar | o11c: any idea on how I can see if my manual entry that i deleted later is still there and causes the problem? :) |
| 16:10.06 | themill | o11c: I'm quite aware of that. |
| 16:10.10 | o11c | if the only manually installed package is the metapackage, ... |
| 16:10.12 | Mohsen_Hassani | Have I completely broken my Debian? bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory |
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| 16:10.20 | o11c | Mohsen_Hassani: yes |
| 16:10.27 | Mohsen_Hassani | wow... |
| 16:10.32 | themill | Mohsen_Hassani: why do you keep doing that? |
| 16:10.48 | o11c | if you still have dpkg you might be able to fix it by manually installing the relevant deb |
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| 16:11.30 | themill | o11c: his "friend" managed to delete /usr/bin/dpkg a month or so ago... |
| 16:11.45 | Iridos | heh |
| 16:11.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | themill, It broke half an hour ago. Since it was not working good I wanted to learn more. And I guess breaking something to learn is better than asking the company to install it again. |
| 16:11.59 | o11c | um, no |
| 16:12.06 | o11c | breaking things means lost productivity |
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| 16:12.43 | Iridos | except if you're called "Limp Bizkit" |
| 16:12.52 | Mohsen_Hassani | o11c, sure, but I didn't break it on purpose. |
| 16:12.54 | themill | there's the constructivist approach to learning, and the destructivist approach... |
| 16:13.30 | tremon | the destructivist approach is called "natural selection", right? |
| 16:13.44 | damaxus | when in doubt, kill it with fire? |
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| 16:15.03 | andyjpb | hello again folks |
| 16:15.41 | andyjpb | my upgrade from lenny to squeeze was reasonably succesful |
| 16:15.47 | raspi_ | say I wrote a shell script like this: *<command>& * and put it in init.d, said command echo's its progress. When it echo's 100% I'd like to have the next part of the script run. How could i do this? |
| 16:15.48 | andyjpb | thanks for all your help. |
| 16:16.02 | o11c | raspi_: wait |
| 16:17.10 | Iridos | what are all the * |
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| 16:17.56 | dFence | hey guys! might sound a little weird but I need a way to use one pc to emulate a keyboard at another machine via serial/usb |
| 16:18.03 | dFence | any ideas how i might pull that off? |
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| 16:18.09 | damaxus | raspi_: pv can provide at least a form of a progress indicator that plays nicely with output |
| 16:18.18 | damaxus | for example see use of pv here |
| 16:18.20 | damaxus | http://blog.tweetreach.com/2012/03/exploring-the-oscars-with-d3-cassandra-and-the-command-line/ |
| 16:18.27 | damaxus | not exactly what you're asking about, but perhaps useful |
| 16:18.46 | andyjpb | dFence: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:19.33 | dFence | andyjpb: I switched the harddisk on an old machine and now I have to reconfigure the bios (reset / auto-conf doesn't work, I need to do it manually); problem is: I have no external keyboard |
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| 16:20.04 | andyjpb | dFence: too bad... you'll have to go to the store and get a cheapy |
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| 16:20.42 | raspi_ | damaxus: the trouble is the command is an executable and I don't gave access to the source, otherwise I'd just make it end after it reaches 100% |
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| 16:21.08 | o11c | raspi_: use wait |
| 16:21.41 | dFence | andyjpb: crap... not even via null-modem? |
| 16:22.01 | andyjpb | dFence: if you don't have a motherboard with bios-on-serial then no |
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| 16:22.21 | raspi_ | o11c: is that just like time.sleep(x) in python |
| 16:22.31 | dFence | andyjpb: mh... afraid not – why do these things always happen on sundays?! |
| 16:22.59 | o11c | raspi_: no, it waits for backgrounded tasks to complete |
| 16:23.14 | raspi_ | ah but this task doesn't complete |
| 16:23.52 | o11c | then I guess the only thing you can do is use grep and complain mightily |
| 16:24.05 | o11c | you'll probably want the -o option |
| 16:24.26 | damaxus | dFence: what you want is an IP KVM. really doubt a serial/usb/parallel backjob sending keyboard scancodes is worth your time or effort. |
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| 16:24.33 | damaxus | hackjob* |
| 16:24.57 | dFence | damaxus: I'd only need to send a couple of keystrokes to the slave (F1, up, down etc) |
| 16:25.05 | raspi_ | o11c: can i read what is being echoed with grep? |
| 16:25.56 | o11c | well, assuming it's not creating a fake terminal, which most people don't do |
| 16:26.07 | o11c | er, not writing to the terminal |
| 16:26.15 | o11c | in which case you would need to create a fake terminal |
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| 16:26.40 | raspi_ | how would I do that? |
| 16:26.49 | tremon | raspi_: your question is really more in the realm of #bash than here, though |
| 16:26.51 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:27.21 | raspi_ | tremon: sorry |
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| 16:27.25 | tremon | raspi_: your problem is that you need to parse a program's output, but the program needs to outlive the script reading its output. I have no idea how to do that |
| 16:27.26 | andyjpb | dFence: you got a 9V battery and a paperclip? |
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| 16:27.49 | dFence | andyjpb: not sure how charged the 9V is, paperclip: check |
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| 16:28.19 | raspi_ | tremon: the program will outlive the script |
| 16:28.46 | andyjpb | raspi_: whatcha up to? I think I came in late |
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| 16:29.12 | zagabar | o11c: Okay, I get this when I try to manually configure it: |
| 16:29.15 | raspi_ | just trying to read output from a program which doesn't die |
| 16:29.28 | raspi_ | with a shell script |
| 16:29.32 | zagabar | o11c: RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 16:29.34 | andyjpb | raspi_: where does the output normally go? is it a daemon |
| 16:29.38 | o11c | raspi_: if it's writing to stdout/stderr, it's trivial |
| 16:29.42 | zagabar | But there are no rfkills set for the device |
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| 16:29.44 | o11c | zagabar: try pressing the wifi switch |
| 16:30.39 | zagabar | o11c: aah hmmm. Now it didn't say that but dhclient takes ages |
| 16:31.21 | raspi_ | it probably is writing to stdout, yes it's a daemon |
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| 16:34.21 | damaxus | dFence: http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2keyboard/ so.. about that IPKVM... |
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| 16:34.53 | damaxus | dFence: PHY side: http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/ |
| 16:36.13 | ompaul | raspi_: echo foodddd | grep food |
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| 16:37.09 | ompaul | raspi_: or use sh ./some-script-or-program | tee | grep food if you like ugly things |
| 16:37.58 | raspi_ | ompaul: so what does that do apart from make it go red? |
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| 16:38.39 | ompaul | raspi_: it does not make it go red that is your irc client - you wanted to grep output from echo or some $foo that created output |
| 16:38.44 | andyjpb | raspi_: redirect the output to a file then tail the file |
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| 16:39.07 | dFence | damaxus: damn... that's a bit too hardcore for my taste ;D |
| 16:39.09 | ompaul | andyjpb: you may not want to do that i/o bound scripts can kill your brain and disk |
| 16:39.24 | andyjpb | I have a nifty little script called retail that will start catting a file from the place it left off last time |
| 16:39.39 | andyjpb | ompaul: true. |
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| 16:40.33 | ompaul | andyjpb: if it's not too much trouble care to put that (with consistent changes) into paste.debian.net that looks interesting not sure that I need it but would like to see how you did it |
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| 16:40.56 | raspi_ | ompaul: andyjpb: I have no control over the daemon that is doing the outputing, I am trying to read the output from the daemon with a script so that I can call the next command when the output is 100% |
| 16:41.34 | andyjpb | ompaul: sure. It's based on an idea my MJR and I use it for reading my logs: it's part of my implementation of his Artificial Ignorance thing |
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| 16:42.30 | andyjpb | why is paste only on debian.net, not debian.org? |
| 16:42.34 | ompaul | raspi_: not knowing or understanding how you know "100%" is done once and then twice and so on I can't figure a way other than stick it in a wrapper |
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| 16:43.06 | ompaul | andyjpb: .net is the network of debian .org is the web site |
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| 16:43.21 | ompaul | andyjpb: and that's as far as I go with that one :) |
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| 16:46.46 | andyjpb | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/167568/ |
| 16:47.10 | ompaul | andyjpb: thanks |
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| 16:47.18 | andyjpb | it's quite rough: it does what I need for my logs but it's not safe for files from different filesystems as it uses the inode |
| 16:47.25 | andyjpb | inode number |
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| 16:48.13 | ompaul | andyjpb: nice idea for a potentially interesting problem |
| 16:48.16 | o11c | device,inode pair should be unique |
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| 16:48.45 | andyjpb | ompaul: yeah. read up on MJR's AI stuff |
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| 16:49.19 | raspi_ | ompaul: If type the command into the terminal it then echoes its progress then doesn't terminate. How'd I stick it in a wrapper |
| 16:49.28 | ompaul | andyjpb: I'd tend to take the timestamp of the last line on screen or something for a task like that but that's an interesting solution - what happens if the file gets thrown out of sync |
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| 16:50.55 | ompaul | andyjpb: i.e. rotated away |
| 16:51.06 | andyjpb | ompaul: if the file is log rotates then it starts again from the top |
| 16:51.07 | ompaul | andyjpb: I guess that's not a use case |
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| 16:51.14 | andyjpb | ...unless the log grows longer than the previous saved pos |
| 16:51.18 | ompaul | yeah |
| 16:51.26 | andyjpb | but I run the tailer every 5 mins |
| 16:51.44 | andyjpb | rotated* |
| 16:51.52 | ompaul | andyjpb: could we have a chat in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 16:52.07 | andyjpb | yeah.. if it's not appropriate to do it here |
| 16:52.21 | ompaul | well this is not strictly debian support |
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| 16:52.36 | andyjpb | shuffles |
| 16:52.38 | ompaul | nutty ideas about logs :) |
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| 16:52.57 | hotwings | whats the best way to get a list of unmounted harddrives that are attached? create a list using fdisk -l? or is there a better way? |
| 16:53.06 | raspi_ | ompaul: there goes my help :( |
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| 16:54.01 | andyjpb | raspi_: put it in a shell script |
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| 16:54.26 | cookiemon5ter | how do i install a package that isn't in debians default repo |
| 16:54.30 | andyjpb | the shell script should just fork and terminate o nthe original side |
| 16:54.34 | cookiemon5ter | isn't there a testing repo |
| 16:54.39 | andyjpb | on the other side it can run the command in a pipleline |
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| 16:54.53 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: which repo is the package in? |
| 16:55.04 | o11c | cookiemon5ter: is there repo, a .deb package or just a source tarball? |
| 16:55.07 | cookiemon5ter | andyjpb: i'm not sure if it is in any |
| 16:55.09 | damaxus | cookiemon5ter: the tools will automatically search whatever repos youve set up. |
| 16:55.23 | andyjpb | hotwings: /proc/partitions |
| 16:55.25 | o11c | building programs from source is not hard |
| 16:55.28 | dawud | so I was having issues with di writing the bootloader to the MBR when /boot is on (soft)raid1, so I deleted the md0 and now have just one /boot in /dev/sda1, using systemrescuecd I chrooted into the debian installation and checked grub's devicemap is fine and did grub-install to both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, yet the thing doesn't boot, hints? |
| 16:55.28 | cookiemon5ter | o11c: damaxus andyjpb i am looking for an updated version of basic256 |
| 16:55.32 | ompaul | raspi_: no I gave you an answer, you have given insufficient info for anything else very useful | your daemon output though tee and on to grep |
| 16:55.36 | andyjpb | hotwings: E_POSIX tho |
| 16:55.39 | damaxus | , versions basic256 |
| 16:55.41 | judd | Package: basic256 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.2-2; squeeze: 0.9.2-2; wheezy: 0.9.6.66-1.1; sid: 0.9.6.69a-1 |
| 16:55.59 | damaxus | cookiemon5ter: you can get the wheezy version from backports i bet |
| 16:56.07 | damaxus | dpkg: tell cookiemon5ter about backports |
| 16:56.16 | dawud | oh, rootfs is on luks+lvm by the way |
| 16:56.18 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: first find out if there's a .deb of it |
| 16:56.29 | cookiemon5ter | damaxus: judd andyjpb thanks |
| 16:57.03 | damaxus | np =) |
| 16:58.10 | cookiemon5ter | should i just download any deb from anywhere ? |
| 16:58.22 | damaxus | nah |
| 16:58.22 | cookiemon5ter | or would i be better off just building it myself |
| 16:58.38 | damaxus | is version 0.9.6.66 going to work for you? |
| 16:58.46 | damaxus | if you need newer than that, you'll have to build it your own |
| 16:58.47 | cookiemon5ter | yes |
| 16:58.49 | damaxus | ok |
| 16:58.50 | moty66 | how to know which video driver I use? |
| 16:59.07 | damaxus | cookiemon5ter: you need to set up your /etc/apt/sources.list to include backports |
| 16:59.22 | damaxus | then you should just be able to apt-get upgrade basic256 |
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| 16:59.54 | cookiemon5ter | damaxus: thank you |
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| 17:00.05 | craigevil | moty66, what video card? |
| 17:00.23 | dizzylizzy | is the information in the Debian Policy (debian-policy package) up to date and valid for squeeze? |
| 17:00.48 | moty66 | craigevil: it is nvidia |
| 17:00.51 | damaxus | cookiemon5ter: no prob - feel free to message dpkg misc keywords, that bot is a trove of information |
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| 17:01.13 | themill | dizzylizzy: policy has been updated since then -- grabbing the debian-policy package from sid (or reading it online) is the best approach. |
| 17:01.48 | nannes | Hi. I've a pc without internet connection, I need to install on it some software with apt-get. How can I download them .deb files from another ubuntu-box, (including dependencies) and move them to the other one? |
| 17:01.52 | nkuttler | dizzylizzy: the one distributed with squeeze applies to squeeze though |
| 17:02.04 | craigevil | !tell moty66 about nvidia dkms |
| 17:02.13 | nkuttler | nannes: ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:02.22 | dizzylizzy | nkuttler, all right, thank you |
| 17:02.28 | hotwings | andyjpb - thanks |
| 17:02.29 | nannes | nkuttler: what if it's debian? :) |
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| 17:02.35 | andyjpb | hotwings: np |
| 17:02.44 | craigevil | nannes, see apt-offline |
| 17:02.48 | nannes | nkuttler: isn't apt from debian? |
| 17:02.52 | raspi_ | so i'd write a shell script file which looks like sh ./<my daemon> | tee | grep 100% (what does tee mean?) what would this do? |
| 17:02.56 | nannes | oh ok |
| 17:02.59 | moty66 | craigevil: I have NVIDIA Geforce 8400M GT, but when I run xbmc it is so slow |
| 17:03.24 | moty66 | craigevil: thanks for the info |
| 17:03.30 | andyjpb | raspi_: 'man tee' |
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| 17:07.43 | raspi_ | so tee would take the input from my daemon? But the daemon isn't inputting is it, It's outputting? |
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| 17:08.13 | andyjpb | raspi_: tee just takes the output and sends it to the output and another place |
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| 17:10.39 | raspi_ | so here sh ./some-script-or-program | tee | grep food , it sends it to grep and if the program outputs food then what happens? |
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| 17:11.00 | nannes | craigevil: I've just had a look..... it seems to be only the option to do it for the whole repo |
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| 17:11.28 | silouck | nsadmin: i have managed to install with encrypted partitions but with lvm groups |
| 17:11.40 | raspi_ | andyjpb: so here sh ./some-script-or-program | tee | grep food , it sends it to grep and if the program outputs food then what happens? |
| 17:11.54 | craigevil | nannes, man apt-offline |
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| 17:12.06 | silouck | nsadmin: and this way is far better since we can have severall encrypted partitions working with a single passphrase |
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| 17:13.57 | andyjpb | raspi_: you've no told tee any files so it doesn't do anything in your pipeline |
| 17:14.07 | andyjpb | it'll just behave like cat |
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| 17:14.31 | nannes | craigevil: ok... What if the machine from which I'd have to download them has different repos than the other pc? (they're different versions) |
| 17:15.09 | raspi_ | so should I tell it the program file to read from or just a place to dump the output? |
| 17:15.26 | moty66 | caravel: thanks, xbmc is working great now |
| 17:15.49 | andyjpb | raspi_: if you want the output of your daemon to go to a file as well as to grep then give a filename to tee.. |
| 17:16.30 | andyjpb | right... reboot time wish me luck |
| 17:16.33 | craigevil | nannes, take a look at http://keryxproject.org/ |
| 17:16.36 | raspi_ | andyjpb: What can grep do with it? |
| 17:16.44 | andyjpb | has done lenny->squeeze and is now doing squeese->wheezy |
| 17:16.53 | raspi_ | thanks for the help |
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| 17:17.01 | andyjpb | raspi_: you're using grep to find that 100% marker, right |
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| 17:17.12 | andyjpb | you might want the whole output in another file just so you can eyeball it |
| 17:17.14 | nannes | :OOOOOOOOOO thank you so much craigevil |
| 17:17.38 | raspi_ | yeah but when I find it I want to run another command |
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| 17:18.31 | andyjpb | grep -m |
| 17:18.35 | andyjpb | raspi_: grep -m |
| 17:18.47 | andyjpb | then check $? to see why grep exited |
| 17:19.18 | andyjpb | although that might break the pipe and kill the daemoin |
| 17:19.34 | andyjpb | you might be better off with a quick and dirty perl script on there instead of grep |
| 17:21.32 | k1ng | Ìû |
| 17:23.42 | dizzylizzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.43 | k1ng | Ìû |
| 17:24.49 | caravel | moty66: hi ? |
| 17:25.00 | caravel | oh, was not for me I guess ^^ |
| 17:25.02 | raspi_ | andyjpb so the script in my init.d file would look abit like this http://pastebin.com/c3Tj51z6 ? |
| 17:25.03 | dizzylizzy | i am reading the debian policy manual trying to figure out how the heck startup works :-/ |
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| 17:26.38 | andyjpb | raspi_: a quick test shows that will not work |
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| 17:27.14 | andyjpb | http://pastebin.com/dyHwPu2g |
| 17:27.33 | andyjpb | when grep terminates it will close the pipe and terminate the daemon |
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| 17:28.16 | andyjpb | that 141 exit code is a broken pipe |
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| 17:29.53 | dizzylizzy | the debian policy manual says that the file /etc/X11/Xmodmap is optional and is supposed to be the system configuration for Xmodmap. If I create that file, would that automatically be used? |
| 17:30.00 | andyjpb | raspi_: instead of 'grep' you want a script that reads from stdi |
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| 17:30.01 | andyjpb | stdin |
| 17:30.20 | andyjpb | it checks each line for "100%" and if it find it forks off your action |
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| 17:30.36 | andyjpb | if it doesn't find it and after it has found it then it just keeps eating from stdin |
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| 17:32.17 | raspi_ | could I have have tee write the programs output to a file then read that file with a python script then which then calls the next command when 100% is in teeoutputfile.txt? |
| 17:32.19 | mroe | Does anyone know what kind of bot debhelper is? |
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| 17:32.47 | cookiemon5ter | damaxus: i added squeeze-backports to sources.list and it doesn't show that newer version |
| 17:32.59 | cookiemon5ter | damaxus: do i need to add testing-backports ? |
| 17:33.16 | Gm3 | I got a question people, "if i start a gameserver ./game i get there each output of the game, but when i make it run on the background (&) i can't get that output back |
| 17:33.41 | Gm3 | is there something wich can make my game run on the background, but also lets me be able to request the output again |
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| 17:36.14 | valdyn | !screen |
| 17:36.14 | dpkg | screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnuScreen to keep ctrl-a unbroken. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:36.18 | valdyn | Gm3: ^^ |
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| 17:36.24 | andyjpb | raspi_: possibly, but as we discussed earlier, that will result in an ever grown log file |
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| 17:36.54 | Gm3 | I know screen but how can i get back the output again? |
| 17:37.37 | raspi_ | andyjpb: I could have the python script delete the .txt once it finds 100%? |
| 17:37.58 | cookiemon5ter | how do i go about getting sid sources and compiling |
| 17:37.58 | andyjpb | raspi_: no... as the pipe will stil have it open so it will still grown on disk |
| 17:38.03 | andyjpb | raspi_: http://pastebin.com/G2La7gzs |
| 17:38.15 | andyjpb | try putting the cherries script from that paste into your pipeling instead |
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| 17:38.35 | andyjpb | that will run xterm each and everythin the 100% regex matches |
| 17:38.39 | andyjpb | everytime* |
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| 17:39.09 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: you need to select the backports version explicity |
| 17:39.17 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: did you do 'apt-get update'/ |
| 17:39.19 | andyjpb | ? |
| 17:39.24 | raspi_ | andyjpb: what is xterm? |
| 17:40.00 | cookiemon5ter | andyjpb: yes there's nothing newer on there |
| 17:40.06 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" |
| 17:40.15 | andyjpb | raspi_: just a terminal emulator program |
| 17:40.28 | cookiemon5ter | andyjpb: there isn't a newer package |
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| 17:40.40 | andyjpb | raspi_: I just wanted something that would pop up in a separate window |
| 17:40.45 | andyjpb | so that it's a compelling dem |
| 17:40.46 | andyjpb | o |
| 17:41.02 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: right.. so now you need to find out if there's a newer package somewherelse |
| 17:41.08 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: what's the package name? |
| 17:41.24 | cookiemon5ter | basic256 |
| 17:41.53 | cookiemon5ter | can i add wheezy or testing to sources.list ? |
| 17:42.06 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: http://jpb.li/gZGJl |
| 17:42.13 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: not easily as that will update everything |
| 17:42.25 | andyjpb | ....as soon as you run apt-get upgrade |
| 17:42.26 | cookiemon5ter | wheezy and sid have what i need |
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| 17:43.17 | raspi_ | andyjpb: oh so I could replace xterm with my next command and It would run that? |
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| 17:43.42 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: maybe you can download the deb: http://pkgs.org/download/basic256 |
| 17:43.51 | andyjpb | and see if dpkg will install it for you |
| 17:43.58 | andyjpb | raspi_: that's riht |
| 17:44.01 | andyjpb | right* |
| 17:44.25 | raspi_ | can I put a perlscript in init.d? |
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| 17:45.37 | andyjpb | raspi_: you need to invoke cherries thusly: |
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| 17:45.50 | andyjpb | sh ./<commandpath> | cherries |
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| 17:46.06 | andyjpb | that can go into /etc/rc.local |
| 17:46.10 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a question whichone kernel i should use for Debian 6 in HyperV? |
| 17:46.19 | andyjpb | ...but you'll want to use the full pathname to cherries |
| 17:46.26 | andyjpb | and commandpath |
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| 17:47.41 | dizzylizzy | If I wanted to make a command execute during gdm3 initialization/start, what file would I put it in? in /etc/gdm3/Init/Default ? in /etc/init.d/gdm3 ? in /etc/rc2.d/S23gdm3 ? |
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| 17:48.40 | raspi_ | andyjpb Oh! so I am passing the command path as the $_ variable in the perl script? |
| 17:48.56 | andyjpb | raspi_: eh? |
| 17:48.57 | raspi_ | Sorry, I've never used perl |
| 17:49.04 | andyjpb | no... cherries is in place of grep |
| 17:49.33 | andyjpb | all cherries does is look at stdin and when it matches the regex /100%/ runs xterm |
| 17:49.34 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a question whichone kernel i should use for Debian 6 in HyperV? please? ;) |
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| 17:49.49 | andyjpb | ..then it sends whatever arrived on stdin to stdout |
| 17:50.03 | cookiemon5ter | andyjpb: i tried just using the deb it requires other newer packages as well |
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| 17:50.07 | andyjpb | raspi_: play around with it in the terminal |
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| 17:50.31 | andyjpb | make up a file with things in it and then 'cat file | cherries" |
| 17:50.52 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: too bad. looks likeyou'll have to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 17:50.57 | andyjpb | or build the package yourself |
| 17:51.06 | Upgreydd | someone has installed debian in hyperv environment? :/ |
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| 17:51.21 | andyjpb | or google for how to selectively install things from wheezy.. but it's no fun and will result in more pain when you want to do the full upgrade |
| 17:51.49 | cookiemon5ter | andyjpb: is there a date for when wheezy will be stable ? |
| 17:52.17 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: nope.. but I've heard they're looking to freeze in june which might end up with a release in feb |
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| 17:52.47 | cookiemon5ter | andyjpb: do you use wheezy ? |
| 17:53.15 | andyjpb | cookiemon5ter: not yet. I upgraded to lenny last night |
| 17:53.26 | andyjpb | err.. upgraded *from* lenny to squeeze last night |
| 17:53.39 | andyjpb | and the wheezy upgrade is currently runnin |
| 17:53.42 | andyjpb | g |
| 17:54.11 | cookiemon5ter | awhile ago i asked for advice to upgrade stellarium to its newest version with squeeze |
| 17:54.33 | cookiemon5ter | someone gave me all the info i just don't remember how i did it |
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| 17:56.42 | andyjpb | Upgreydd: clearly not |
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| 17:57.00 | Upgreydd | gosh :/ |
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| 17:58.47 | Trewas | andyjpb: eight month freeze is a bit pessimistic, though unfortunately not completely out of question :) |
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| 17:59.52 | PinkMachoEmu | I am from Detroit, yo. And I am Mayor because I smell like antifreeze and, I run Debian and my servers never seize, I am best, yo. |
| 18:00.30 | PinkMachoEmu | <chorus>Who are they</chorus> I don't know. |
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| 18:02.57 | andyjpb | Trewas: oh I'm just basing my lies on what I read on The Internets... it was similar for Lenny & Squeeze IIRC |
| 18:03.02 | andyjpb | ;-) |
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| 18:09.51 | PinkMachoEmu | . |
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| 18:10.28 | dizzylizzy | i have the configuration in a zillion places now so whatever it will work |
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| 18:11.26 | orfix | Hi, does it make sense to partition a disk for a small home server ? (I mean a parition for /home /var /tmp ...). |
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| 18:14.03 | gnarface | orfix: i always do just for good practice. if you're the only one who ever connects to it or uses it in any way though its probably not of huge importance. the primary reason for partitioning is to keep / from filling up. if / fills up to 100% you can't boot. |
| 18:14.58 | orfix | gnarface: I see... thank you. |
| 18:15.10 | robokop | moty66: you can do a kill -SIGCONT $pid |
| 18:15.22 | raspi_ | andyjpb: will this work? http://pastebin.com/KeNNrAAU |
| 18:15.56 | gnarface | orfix: on older hardware with modern-sized disks, you may see some performance enhancement from having smaller partitions |
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| 18:16.20 | PinkMachoEmu | Yeah, I'm kickin' it down, kickin' it down with 10,000 pounds of steel in the Motor City. My speakers are large, Madonna's voice is in charge. |
| 18:17.08 | moty66 | robokop: thanks |
| 18:17.23 | orfix | gnarface: I guess I'll just use a partition for /home, / and swap. |
| 18:18.13 | gnarface | orfix: if you're gonna do it, i'd suggest /var and /tmp as separate partitions too, since they're the two things most likely to fill up if some process runs amok or if you forget your log rotation or the sort |
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| 18:19.00 | gnarface | orfix: if you're the only user, then you can keep an eye on /home yourself easily. if you have other users of course they could just upload too much and make the system non-bootable... |
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| 18:19.46 | gnarface | orfix: in general, people suggest using LVM instead of disk partitions because disk partitions are more difficult to resize |
| 18:20.20 | orfix | gnarface: Ah so maybe I should read about LVM to see what's it all about... |
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| 18:20.48 | cedr | just throws everything on / and has monitors setup |
| 18:20.56 | andyjpb | orfix: I always have /, /home and /var on separate partitions. / and /var/ due to the filling up problem |
| 18:21.10 | cedr | (some systems [i.e. openvz] you can really only have / anyways, ne?) |
| 18:21.25 | andyjpb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.30 | orfix | andyjpb: /tmp can fill up easily too |
| 18:21.37 | andyjpb | I often have /boot separate so that I can use grub and xfs at the same time |
| 18:21.52 | andyjpb | also /usr/local so that I can keep my non-distro stuff separate |
| 18:22.25 | andyjpb | orfix: true. but I've never had that happen to me and rebooting will sort it out as /tmp is emptied on reboot |
| 18:22.33 | gnarface | my personal laptops i rarely bother, i just put / and swap as the two partitions. even my home servers are partitioned at least to /, /home, /var, /tmp, and /usr though |
| 18:22.50 | orfix | andyjpb: I agree. |
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| 18:23.27 | gnarface | if you are running php webservices with sessions for example though, running out of space on /tmp due to external user interaction though is a real threat |
| 18:23.38 | andyjpb | raspi_: what is <command>& ? |
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| 18:23.52 | andyjpb | gnarface: true that |
| 18:23.56 | orfix | andyjpb: to run <command> in the background |
| 18:24.06 | raspi_ | andyjpb: ^^ |
| 18:24.08 | andyjpb | orfix: yeah, yeah, ganz genau |
| 18:24.26 | andyjpb | raspi_: but it's not part of our discussion, right? it's something else |
| 18:24.39 | andyjpb | why did you put cherries in sbin? |
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| 18:25.53 | raspi_ | andyjpb well how else could I run the command in the background? Like sh ./usr/local/bin/<command>& | /usr/local/sbin/cherries perhaps? |
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| 18:26.24 | raspi_ | as for cherries in sbin. No reason, where should i put it? |
| 18:26.33 | andyjpb | raspi_: just bin /usr/local/bin |
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| 18:26.48 | andyjpb | I'd do sh ./usr/local/bin/<command> | /usr/local/sbin/cherries & |
| 18:27.06 | andyjpb | otherwise <command>& will never get to run until the /usr/local/bin/<command> terminates |
| 18:27.20 | andyjpb | also.. what's that ./ doing at the start of /usr/local/bin/<command>? |
| 18:28.22 | raspi_ | oh that was just left over from a copy, it shouldn't be there, |
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| 18:39.01 | mroe | Is there a flag for either cat or zcat that will cat both compressed and uncompressed files? |
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| 18:41.08 | phr3ak | i think zcat can read uncompressed files too but if not see zless |
| 18:41.09 | pfred1 | mroe zcat looks like it is only a shell script you might want to give it a look |
| 18:41.21 | mroe | zcat won't cat uncompressed files |
| 18:41.33 | phr3ak | see zless |
| 18:41.47 | pfred1 | mroe cat `which zcat` |
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| 18:42.31 | mroe | #!/bin/sh |
| 18:42.32 | mroe | PATH=${GZIP_BINDIR-'/bin'}:$PATH |
| 18:42.32 | mroe | exec gzip -cd "$@" |
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| 18:42.36 | pfred1 | to skin a cat with another ... |
| 18:42.50 | mroe | I don't follow |
| 18:43.09 | mroe | phr3ak: I'm not interestest in a pager |
| 18:43.14 | mroe | interested* |
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| 18:44.10 | andyjpb | mroe: pagers only page if there's a terminal |
| 18:44.16 | andyjpb | otherwise they just work like cat |
| 18:44.39 | mroe | I'm interested in piping it stdout |
| 18:44.45 | mroe | thus, there will be a termianl |
| 18:45.09 | MarkG1234 | ANyone know why I can't install Spamassasssin in Wheezy? Package 'spamassassin' has no installation candidate |
| 18:45.13 | mroe | oh, nm |
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| 18:45.57 | andyjpb | mroe: if it's in a pipe then there's no terminal |
| 18:46.04 | andyjpb | sorry.. I'm not being too clear |
| 18:46.20 | craigevil | ,versions spamassassin |
| 18:46.22 | judd | Package: spamassassin on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 3.2.5-2+lenny1.1~volatile1; lenny: 3.2.5-2+lenny3; lenny-backports: 3.3.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; sid: 3.3.2-2; wheezy: 3.3.2-2 |
| 18:46.22 | andyjpb | if it's the last thing in a pipeline just add |cat on the end |
| 18:46.30 | mroe | andyjpb: yea, I understood perfect. Thanks |
| 18:47.20 | pfred1 | andyjpb heh you hacked the script for them? |
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| 18:48.29 | pfred1 | MarkG1234 because you can't spell assassin? |
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| 18:48.54 | pfred1 | MarkG1234 oh wait it seems you learned further dow nthe line my bad |
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| 18:50.49 | andyjpb | pfred1: ? |
| 18:51.47 | Hackbat | I need a little help Getting the 56k modem working on this debian box, it shows up in lspci but I have no idea how to get it working. |
| 18:52.05 | andyjpb | Hackbat: is it in /dev/tty* |
| 18:52.07 | pfred1 | andyjpb ¿ |
| 18:52.15 | Hackbat | I have no idea |
| 18:52.16 | andyjpb | pfred1: I hacked what script for who? |
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| 18:52.33 | pfred1 | andyjpb zcat for mroe |
| 18:52.53 | mroe | piping less is a better solution |
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| 18:53.10 | mroe | it was very considerate of the less maintainers to have that functionality |
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| 18:54.48 | pfred1 | less reminds me a lot of vi |
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| 18:54.59 | gnarface | it was meant to |
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| 18:55.20 | mroe | my one-liner-fu is about to increase drastically |
| 18:55.23 | mroe | thanks to this |
| 18:55.33 | pfred1 | gnarface I have about as much success editing a file in less as I do in vi too |
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| 18:55.49 | gnarface | pfred1: hah. yea i prefer emacs myself |
| 18:56.08 | mroe | poop files for life! |
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| 18:56.21 | Hackbat | I have no idea how to even figure out what serial line the modeom is on D: |
| 18:56.22 | mroe | that would make a good bumper sticker |
| 18:57.09 | gnarface | Hackbat: i believe the BIOS number for the COM port you plug it into determines that but i'm not sure. |
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| 18:57.25 | gnarface | Hackbat: i'd expect there to be some hint in dmesg |
| 18:57.27 | pfred1 | thank the UNIX Goadz for echo "blah" >> some.txt it has saved me from invoking vi a few times |
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| 18:57.33 | mroe | ugh, log files add a second space when the data is a single digit!? |
| 18:57.36 | Hackbat | gnarface, it's a PCI card |
| 18:57.42 | mroe | s/data/date |
| 18:58.04 | gnarface | Hackbat: well that changes things but i would still suggest looking at dmesg |
| 18:58.30 | gnarface | dpkg, modems? |
| 18:58.31 | dpkg | gnarface: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:58.34 | Hackbat | http://jerico.zapto.org:8080/pci.txt http://jerico.zapto.org:8080/dmesg.txt |
| 18:58.36 | gnarface | dpkg: modem |
| 18:58.36 | dpkg | A modem (modulator/demodulator) is a device turning digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. Ask me about <ppp>. USB CDC ACM-compliant modems are supported by the Linux kernel's cdc-acm driver (/dev/ttyACM*). See also <winmodem>, <3g>. http://wiki.debian.org/Modem |
| 18:58.38 | pfred1 | if it is a PCI card then why not lspci ? |
| 18:59.24 | Hackbat | pfred1, I said I found it in lspci |
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| 18:59.36 | pfred1 | Hackbat now what? |
| 18:59.48 | Hackbat | ? |
| 19:00.01 | pfred1 | Hackbat what didn't lspci tell you? |
| 19:00.03 | gnarface | Hackbat: i suspect that <ppp> info tag the dpkg bot has would be a good place to start |
| 19:00.26 | Hackbat | I've been researching it for like two days |
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| 19:01.07 | Hackbat | I'm stuck on finding out the /dev/ name of the modem |
| 19:01.32 | pfred1 | today dev is dynamically generated by hal isn't it? |
| 19:02.06 | pfred1 | it isn't like the good old mknod days |
| 19:02.08 | mroe | isn't hal dead? |
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| 19:02.14 | ectospasm | udev, I thought |
| 19:02.14 | themill | Hackbat: many models actually appear as sound cards instead |
| 19:02.15 | movl | idev |
| 19:02.16 | mroe | udev |
| 19:02.18 | pfred1 | mroe well whatever repalced it |
| 19:02.19 | movl | *udev |
| 19:02.30 | pfred1 | yeah that nightmare |
| 19:02.43 | mroe | udev is less of a nightmare than hal wsa |
| 19:02.50 | movl | aye to that |
| 19:02.54 | pfred1 | still has caused me to lose sleep |
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| 19:04.09 | andyjpb | Hackbat: is it a winmodem? |
| 19:04.16 | pfred1 | in any event dev files are created on the fly today they're not just there anymore |
| 19:04.40 | Hackbat | andyjpb, I don't belive so |
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| 19:04.56 | Hackbat | http://jerico.zapto.org:8080/pci.txt |
| 19:04.59 | pfred1 | probably when you load the driver yo uget the dev to go along wiht it |
| 19:05.02 | Hackbat | it's there at the bottom |
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| 19:08.12 | pfred1 | Hackbat notice how it doesn't have a Kernel driver in use: entry |
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| 19:08.38 | pfred1 | Hackbat load the driver and maybe you'll get your dev |
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| 19:09.57 | Hackbat | just found the driver |
| 19:10.03 | pfred1 | modprobe it |
| 19:10.09 | Hackbat | huh? |
| 19:10.17 | ectospasm | Hackbat: modprobe <driver> |
| 19:10.24 | ectospasm | ...as root |
| 19:10.31 | ectospasm | or sudo, if that's how you roll |
| 19:10.31 | pfred1 | ectospasm thanks |
| 19:10.35 | Hackbat | I'm root |
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| 19:11.21 | Hackbat | I just have no idea about modprobe really |
| 19:11.27 | pfred1 | what i never figured out was how come once you've modprobed a driver is wh ythe yautomatically load after that |
| 19:12.27 | ectospasm | pfred1: it depends on the driver. Some do that, some don't. They basically add themselves to the autoload list (wherever it is), but don't load automatically the first time. |
| 19:12.28 | andyjpb | right... reboot time |
| 19:12.31 | andyjpb | wish me luck |
| 19:12.36 | andyjpb | squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:13.10 | pfred1 | ectospasm yeah it works so well I never bothered checking into it |
| 19:13.41 | pfred1 | ectospasm still makes me wonder though you know? |
| 19:14.01 | ectospasm | yeah, I haven't been bothered enough to look into it. |
| 19:14.08 | pfred1 | I got too much to deal with that doesn't work too well |
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| 19:15.10 | pfred1 | like this: Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion <-- whenever I fire up xemacs |
| 19:15.17 | pfred1 | drives me nuts! |
| 19:15.24 | Hackbat | I've got the driver |
| 19:15.34 | pfred1 | Hackbat lsmod has it in there now? |
| 19:15.38 | Hackbat | nonono |
| 19:15.45 | Hackbat | I HAVE it I don't have it installe |
| 19:15.46 | Hackbat | d |
| 19:15.54 | pfred1 | oh yes that |
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| 19:16.07 | Hackbat | gah, I have to recompile the kernel D: |
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| 19:16.15 | pfred1 | well how'd you get the driver? debian has ways of doing these things |
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| 19:16.26 | pfred1 | ways that might be the best ways |
| 19:16.36 | ectospasm | Hackbat: usually you just need the headers for the running kernel installed. |
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| 19:17.32 | pfred1 | Hackbat debian probably has the driver but maybe in the non-free repo |
| 19:18.05 | pfred1 | Hackbat which is a lot easier way to go than recompiling the kernel |
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| 19:19.09 | pfred1 | Hackbat do you have non-free enabled in your sources.list ? |
| 19:20.16 | Hackbat | this is a clean install lol |
| 19:20.20 | Hackbat | so prolly not |
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| 19:21.23 | pfred1 | Hackbat well try doing that first |
| 19:21.49 | Hackbat | I have the .deb o.o |
| 19:21.58 | pfred1 | OK |
| 19:22.23 | ectospasm | still, if it's in the repos, do it that way |
| 19:22.44 | ectospasm | ...that way apt knows about any updates that may roll down from upstream. |
| 19:22.49 | gnarface | pirate walks into a bar with the ships tiller attached to his groin. bartender says "hey what's with that big ship wheel on your crotch?" pirate responds; "Yarr, its drivin' me nuts!" |
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| 19:24.25 | gnarface | i said YARR, its DRIVIN' ME NUTS!! |
| 19:24.31 | gnarface | sheesh, tough crowd |
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| 19:25.27 | dvs | gnarface: Robot Chicken already did that. |
| 19:25.41 | Hackbat | Where could I find the address for non free? |
| 19:26.03 | Hackbat | google didn't really help |
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| 19:26.09 | mroe | is there a program/utility that will 'record' a bash session? |
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| 19:26.28 | gnarface | Hackbat: same repo as main, its just an option on the line |
| 19:26.39 | gnarface | hmm |
| 19:26.44 | gnarface | dpkg tell Hackbat about non-free |
| 19:27.07 | mroe | I'm hashing out a problem with some bash-fu and I am sure I am going to have to do it again so saving this specific command history to a file would be helpful |
| 19:27.19 | gnarface | Hackbat: the dpkg bot has most of this really remedial info btw. often its a better place to look first than google. |
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| 19:27.43 | damaxus | cookiemon5ter: hey, sorry, back |
| 19:27.54 | damaxus | i guess basic256 didnt get backported yet |
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| 19:28.05 | damaxus | so you could either upgrade to wheezy, or build the latest yourself under squeeze |
| 19:28.11 | gnarface | mroe: by default your command history is saved to ~/.bash_history automatically |
| 19:28.31 | pfred1 | gnarface kinda |
| 19:28.49 | damaxus | upgrading to wheezy is a bit extreme though unless you're using the machine or machines for a limited number of things |
| 19:29.05 | gnarface | mroe: just be careful because there's only one file for all your open terms - so with two open terminals, they'll overwrite each other's ~/.bash_history file |
| 19:29.09 | mroe | gnarface: yes, but if I don't have to do this again in 6 months or 2 years, good luck looking through it |
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| 19:29.38 | pfred1 | gnarface is that what happens? |
| 19:29.59 | damaxus | i believe its an append on logout |
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| 19:30.01 | damaxus | not overwrite |
| 19:30.04 | gnarface | mroe: right, now mind you this is a question really for #bash not debian, but you do know that a bash script is just a list of bash commands with #!/bin/bash as the first line? |
| 19:30.09 | gnarface | mroe: right? |
| 19:30.18 | mroe | yes |
| 19:30.30 | damaxus | but you can modify your environment like HISTFILE=.bash_history-`hostname` |
| 19:30.35 | pfred1 | damaxus I operate on the theory that X Window is just to have lots of xterms running at once |
| 19:30.37 | mroe | but I'm not strictly writing a bash program |
| 19:30.38 | gnarface | pfred1: yea basically bash just isn't smart enough to mux the history of multiple open terminals at once (yet - honestly i can't imagine that one day it won't be) |
| 19:30.41 | mroe | I'll ask over in #bash |
| 19:30.54 | andyjpb | I've just upgraded to wheezy... now my 'df -h' shows the root fs as |
| 19:31.00 | andyjpb | /dev/disk/by-uuid/dd8a16d7-fbbb-4ec7-bc8b-88e78ddbfbc4 7.5G 4.3G 3.2G 58% / |
| 19:31.02 | damaxus | oh. i didnt read backlogs -- assumed talking about network homedir |
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| 19:31.15 | andyjpb | all the other fses are /dev/sda... as usual |
| 19:31.24 | pfred1 | damaxus isn't an X session a network session? |
| 19:31.26 | andyjpb | any ideas how I can get that to behave the way it used to? |
| 19:31.36 | damaxus | not necessarily |
| 19:31.44 | pfred1 | damaxus X server |
| 19:31.49 | damaxus | unix socket |
| 19:31.57 | Hackbat | alright, got it installed |
| 19:32.05 | pfred1 | Hackbat sweet! |
| 19:32.22 | andyjpb | mroe, gnarface: bash can be set to write the history at exit time or as it goes along |
| 19:32.32 | andyjpb | the latter works well for multiple open sessions |
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| 19:32.44 | gnarface | andyjpb: really? good tip, thanks |
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| 19:33.17 | pfred1 | the last time I looked the documentation on bash was something like 252 pages long so I'm sure it can do a lot of stuff ... |
| 19:33.36 | mroe | I'm envisioning a 'start recording ~/log.analysis' then an 'end recording' command structure |
| 19:33.54 | themill | andyjpb: /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 19:34.04 | themill | mroe: "script" is perhaps the command you're looking for. |
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| 19:34.21 | andyjpb | themill: am I to report a bug or search the db? |
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| 19:34.43 | themill | andyjpb: search -- that one is already there |
| 19:34.55 | mroe | themill: that looks perfect |
| 19:35.07 | andyjpb | themill: ah thanks.. sorry: first time running testing |
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| 19:35.15 | themill | mroe: if you just want the command and not the output, then /msg dpkg bash eternal history |
| 19:35.24 | JasonWoof | yay, I've got my bluetooth headset connecting automatically, and pulseaudio moving all playback (and the fallback/default playback) to the headphones automatically |
| 19:36.01 | JasonWoof | for some reason I've had trouble with the gnome tools that are supposed to do those sorts of things |
| 19:36.08 | JasonWoof | and I've uninstalled gnome anyway |
| 19:36.12 | JasonWoof | wrote some scripts :) |
| 19:36.25 | mroe | themill: he sent me to www.tldp.org? |
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| 19:36.43 | Hackbat | aaand I can't install it |
| 19:37.00 | JasonWoof | first a script to set the pulseaudio output device: http://paste.debian.net/167615/ |
| 19:37.17 | themill | dpkg: tell mroe about bash eternal history |
| 19:37.26 | Hackbat | dpkg hcfpcimodem |
| 19:37.26 | dpkg | Hackbat: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:37.36 | Hackbat | wow |
| 19:37.46 | andyjpb | why is there no "file new bug" button on the "Debian Bug report logs: Bugs in package <X>" pages? |
| 19:37.47 | mroe | themill: thanks |
| 19:38.06 | JasonWoof | then a daemon to run bt-agent, and when it sees my headset try to connect, authorize it and run the above script to switch output to the headphones: http://paste.debian.net/167618/ |
| 19:38.11 | themill | andyjpb: because it's much better for everyone if you use "reportbug". /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 19:39.40 | JasonWoof | andyjpb: reportbug (among other things) saves you and the maintainers a lot of time by automatically including exact versions of relevant packages in your bug report. |
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| 19:40.08 | Hackbat | okay it's not in non-free |
| 19:40.33 | Hackbat | so I HAVE to use the packages I got fromt he manufactuer |
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| 19:40.45 | andyjpb | any idea why the system beep has changed and how I control that? |
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| 19:43.14 | gnarface | andyjpb: not clear on it but at some point on some of my machines it started ignoring the 'beep' channel in alsamixer and i was told that you have to set it in bash with +set beep off or something like that |
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| 19:44.02 | gnarface | andyjpb: maybe set -beep ? i forget. i just changed my window manager's command-line shortcut for opening terminals to use visual bell instead of audio |
| 19:44.11 | Hackbat | http://pastebin.com/MaF54bmR that's the output from the install |
| 19:44.27 | andyjpb | gnarface: I don't want to turn it off.. just change it back to the way it used to beep |
| 19:45.02 | Hackbat | is this during system start up? |
| 19:45.37 | JasonWoof | cleaned up my script to change the pulseaudio output device (and move playing streams over) http://paste.debian.net/167622/ |
| 19:45.51 | dvs | Hackbat: Doesn't line 19 offer the solution? |
| 19:46.08 | Hackbat | no such package |
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| 19:46.24 | pfred1 | andyjpb PC speaker beep as oppoed to alsa beep? |
| 19:46.29 | pfred1 | opposed even |
| 19:46.34 | resc_user_2760 | hello |
| 19:46.46 | dvs | Hackbat: Ah, linux-header-$(uname -r) |
| 19:46.53 | andyjpb | pfred1: dunno... I think I'm running alsa.. just whatever beep I get when things... err, beep |
| 19:47.35 | pfred1 | andyjpb alsa can capture the beep events and do them |
| 19:47.37 | JasonWoof | wait, someone actually likes the beeping? |
| 19:47.37 | Hackbat | gives me the same thing |
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| 19:47.54 | dvs | Hackbat: Oops, linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:48.05 | pfred1 | andyjpb have you run alsamixer? |
| 19:48.20 | pfred1 | andyjpb there is a beep entry in it |
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| 19:48.40 | Hackbat | TYVM dvs |
| 19:48.50 | dvs | np |
| 19:49.10 | Hackbat | 1984 at it's finest |
| 19:49.12 | JasonWoof | my alsamixer doesn't have a "beep", not even with alsamixer -c0 |
| 19:49.40 | Hackbat | WOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:49.43 | pfred1 | whoah what happened? my alsamixer is fried all of a sudden! |
| 19:49.46 | Hackbat | Ty eveyone :3 |
| 19:49.53 | Hackbat | /dev/ttySHCF0 :o |
| 19:50.10 | Hackbat | got the modem running |
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| 19:50.53 | Hackbat | now I just gotta work on the 386 pc and get some sorta virtual phone system set up |
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| 19:51.18 | Hackbat | I'mm trying to get a 386 connected to the internet |
| 19:51.21 | resc_user_2760 | anyone can help me please? |
| 19:51.21 | pfred1 | great more nonsense to figure out what happened |
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| 19:52.25 | dvs | Hackbat: huh? A 386 isn't suppose to work with a recent linux kernel. |
| 19:52.39 | pfred1 | dvs it isn't? |
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| 19:52.54 | dvs | pfred1: The 486 is suppose to be the minimum now. |
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| 19:53.06 | pfred1 | dvs for debian's shipped kernels |
| 19:53.16 | andyjpb | pfred1: alsamixer's beep is at zero |
| 19:53.33 | pfred1 | andyjpb yeah I just fired up alsa here and i have exactly 3 controls all of a sudden |
| 19:53.51 | pfred1 | it wasn't like that the last time I ran it |
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| 19:54.49 | Hackbat | dvs, who said the 386 had linux |
| 19:54.59 | pfred1 | andyjpb on the bright side my PC speaker beep appears to be working OK :) |
| 19:55.24 | damaxus | Hackbat: curious how you're going to use modem for host to host. usually data over fxo is no-go except for fax. |
| 19:55.26 | andyjpb | pfred1: it's alright for some |
| 19:55.36 | dvs | Hackbat: Huh? The 386 is (supposidly) no longer supported by the linux kernel |
| 19:55.46 | damaxus | wouldn't it be easier to just use ppp over null modem or find a cheap-ass netcarD? |
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| 19:56.57 | Hackbat | dvs... the 386 is going to run DOS |
| 19:57.12 | Hackbat | I never said it was going to run linux |
| 19:57.17 | dvs | ah |
| 19:57.32 | tremon | Hackbat: it's implied by you asking in this channel |
| 19:57.42 | Hackbat | I don't ask o.o |
| 19:58.23 | Hackbat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.23 | Hackbat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.47 | Hackbat | was just kinda just stating that |
| 19:58.51 | damaxus | http://i.imgur.com/WuQbE.jpg |
| 19:59.02 | dvs | Hackbat: I guess I assumed the 386 was running Linux |
| 19:59.15 | damaxus | dvs: the machine he set up in the modem is, clearly |
| 19:59.37 | damaxus | just #ot |
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| 20:00.00 | damaxus | peripheral anyway |
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| 20:02.28 | pfred1 | dvs I'm in Processor family right now and there seems to be an entry for ( ) 386 to me |
| 20:03.29 | JasonWoof | damaxus: "nyaned"? |
| 20:03.48 | pfred1 | dvs Debian stopped building kernels for the i386 but that doesn't mean the Linux kernel no longer supports them |
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| 20:05.27 | valdyn | pfred1: its not just the kernel |
| 20:05.54 | pfred1 | valdyn what it isn't the kernel? |
| 20:06.36 | valdyn | pfred1: the fact that debian does not support plain i386 is *not* caused by not compiling kernels for that cpu |
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| 20:06.52 | pfred1 | valdyn I never said it was |
| 20:07.04 | pfred1 | valdyn they said Linux not Debian |
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| 20:08.27 | pfred1 | I'll agree it appears Debian has dropped support for i386 but they said the Linux kernel had |
| 20:08.43 | valdyn | pfred1: iirc its a gcc issue |
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| 20:08.57 | valdyn | pfred1: but id have to dig this up, its years ago |
| 20:09.06 | pfred1 | valdyn what gcc builds which kernel has always been an issue |
| 20:09.27 | valdyn | pfred1: thats not what im talking about |
| 20:09.51 | pfred1 | remember egcs |
| 20:10.00 | pfred1 | what a mess it all was back then! |
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| 20:10.39 | valdyn | so i386 support was dropped with sarge but I dont yet see why |
| 20:11.28 | pfred1 | valdyn possibly because Debian does not have unlimited resources |
| 20:12.29 | pfred1 | valdyn maybe you can contact them and express an interest in carrying the torch? |
| 20:12.46 | gnarface | i heard it was because of a dearth of people with 386es available to test builds |
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| 20:13.01 | pfred1 | gnarface I could well imagine that being a factor |
| 20:13.04 | valdyn | pfred1: to support i386 there would need to be a seperate arch |
| 20:13.09 | gnarface | and because most the userland binaries had already been compiled to require 586 for some time now |
| 20:13.13 | tremon | the problem with 80386 is that it doesn't support the cmpxchg instruction, so no atomic writes |
| 20:13.52 | tremon | I'm quite surprised 386 is still in kconfig, because mutex support is supposed to be near impossible without it |
| 20:14.00 | dwq | Debian Sid with XFCE on Powerbook G4. After updating the other day the color depth seems to have changed to 8 bit which makes it pretty much impossible to watch videos. Any ideas what the cause could be and how to solve it? |
| 20:14.40 | o11c | dwq: what's your DE, are you running a compositing window manager, did you break OpenGL? |
| 20:14.43 | tremon | dwq: xserver updates, now reverted to -vesa driver? |
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| 20:15.31 | pfred1 | o11c a composting Window Manager? |
| 20:15.46 | o11c | compos*i*ting |
| 20:15.46 | derwaffenss | which identd server lets me fix my ident just how i wanna fake it ? |
| 20:15.57 | pfred1 | o11c skip that rot! |
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| 20:16.14 | o11c | I never use a compositing WM, they always break things |
| 20:16.23 | o11c | BUT, every DE seems to enable one by default |
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| 20:19.15 | derwaffenss | some identd server to fix my ident for use with an ircclient ? |
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| 20:19.31 | derwaffenss | for the cocksuckers on undernet |
| 20:19.55 | pfred1 | derwaffenss aptitude search ident might dredge up something useful |
| 20:20.12 | derwaffenss | yea i got that uninstalled |
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| 20:20.24 | derwaffenss | i thought it sucked |
| 20:20.29 | dwq | o11c: XFCE? Don't think it's running a compositing window manager. I just did a minimal install on it and installed xfce. |
| 20:20.31 | derwaffenss | so im asking here |
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| 20:20.39 | dwq | tremon: how do I check that? |
| 20:20.54 | derwaffenss | pfred1: Purged it |
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| 20:21.19 | tremon | dwq: /var/log/X*.log, most recent file |
| 20:21.21 | pfred1 | derwaffenss midentd sounds like it might work for you |
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| 20:21.39 | derwaffenss | lemme check that |
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| 20:23.08 | cedr | 02:22:42pm -!- gimpy15 is white |
| 20:23.10 | cedr | chuckled |
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| 20:23.46 | derwaffenss | lol midentd is not in apt ?! |
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| 20:24.13 | derwaffenss | E: Package 'midentd' has no installation candidate |
| 20:24.24 | LiquidDemocracy | How can I bridge eth0 and wlan0? I tried to understand this tutorial but I can not get it to work: http://blog.allanglesit.com/2011/02/create-a-bridged-interface-in-ubuntu/ |
| 20:24.29 | IRConan | hi, I'm getting an odd error while trying to rebuild a package from testing against squeeze |
| 20:24.31 | IRConan | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps': No such file or directory |
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| 20:26.03 | derwaffenss | so which debian identd daemon lets me 100% fix my own ident response to inquisitive irc servers ? |
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| 20:26.13 | cedr | oidentd? |
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| 20:27.05 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: so, what's "not get it to work"? What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like, what errors do you get? What's the current state of your interfaces? |
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| 20:28.49 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, http://pastebin.ca/2144914 |
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| 20:29.24 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, no errors, I can not connect to the net from a newwork connected to eth0 |
| 20:29.37 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, currect state of the interfaces? |
| 20:29.39 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: if you want to bridge eth0 and wlan0, why is eth0 not part of your bridge? |
| 20:30.11 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: brctl show, ip address show, ip link show |
| 20:30.16 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, I never used bridging. I tried this tutorial http://blog.allanglesit.com/2011/02/create-a-bridged-interface-in-ubuntu/ |
| 20:30.54 | LiquidDemocracy | i tried brctl show but there are not bridges |
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| 20:31.07 | dwq | tremon: http://pastebin.com/AHaLBLd3 |
| 20:31.09 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, could you please tell me how to correct my setup? |
| 20:31.29 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: did you restart networking after editing the interfaces file |
| 20:31.53 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: I'd start by adding eth0 to the bridge_ports of br0 |
| 20:32.02 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, i did ifup eth0 |
| 20:32.42 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: you did ifup eth0 and you're wondering why br0 isn't up? |
| 20:33.10 | tremon | dwq: (WW) Warning, couldn't open module ati (II) FBDEV(0): using default device |
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| 20:33.34 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, like this? http://pastebin.ca/2144916 |
| 20:33.58 | dwq | tremon: ah, so what do i do about it? |
| 20:34.10 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: add a - up ifconfig $IFACE up - to the bridge block |
| 20:34.20 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: remove (comment) the whole eth0 section, and I'd add eth0 and wlan0 on one line, not sure if it works like you did |
| 20:34.25 | bensons | ah well its auto, nevermind |
| 20:34.35 | bensons | s/auto/static/ |
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| 20:35.08 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: then /etc/init.d/networking restart or use your favourite wrapper |
| 20:35.29 | LiquidDemocracy | sorry I can not follow what bensons and tremon mean |
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| 20:35.42 | orangey | hello all! |
| 20:35.48 | orangey | any successful shiboleth installs here? |
| 20:35.57 | resc_user_2760 | heeeeeeeeeeloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:36.09 | orangey | resc_user_2760: helo? |
| 20:36.15 | resc_user_2760 | how install a file with extension tar. gz. |
| 20:36.29 | resc_user_2760 | orangey how are you ? |
| 20:36.40 | orangey | resc_user_2760: depends on lots of things |
| 20:36.43 | tremon | dwq: http://blog.mraw.org/2012/05/01/DXN-11/ |
| 20:36.53 | orangey | but first, let me beg you not to install from .tar.gz when you don't know what you're doing |
| 20:36.58 | orangey | as a rule, you want to install from repository |
| 20:37.16 | LiquidDemocracy | tremon, bensons like this? http://pastebin.ca/2144918 |
| 20:37.24 | epsilon | do you even have compiles suff or sourcecode in targz? |
| 20:37.27 | resc_user_2760 | i want install repair boot |
| 20:37.42 | resc_user_2760 | i dont know nothing of debian |
| 20:37.51 | epsilon | what? |
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| 20:37.58 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: http://pastebin.ca/2144919 |
| 20:38.06 | trysten | resc_user_2760: what? |
| 20:38.07 | pfred1 | resc_user_2760 the more i learn about Debian the more I feel that way myself |
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| 20:38.16 | epsilon | what do you have, what do you want to do? |
| 20:38.16 | tremon | dwq: please verify that your -ati driver is still installed and there are no pending updates (assuming you do have a radeon card), maybe verify on the X maintainers list before firing off a bug |
| 20:38.19 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: try something like that, nevertheless the ipaddress and gateway may need fixing |
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| 20:38.51 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: the entire eth0 section |
| 20:39.25 | orangey | resc_user_2760: it sounds to me like you don't want to do what you think you want to do |
| 20:39.29 | tremon | LiquidDemocracy: you should not be configuring eth0 at all if it's to be part of your bridge |
| 20:39.33 | orangey | resc_user_2760: why don't you describe your problem in detail? |
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| 20:40.01 | resc_user_2760 | because i speak spanish and is very deifficult speaks in english haaha |
| 20:40.09 | resc_user_2760 | ok |
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| 20:40.47 | tremon | !debian-es |
| 20:40.47 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 20:40.49 | resc_user_2760 | i want install boot repair .. but i dont know how |
| 20:41.13 | resc_user_2760 | ok u.u |
| 20:41.32 | tremon | resc_user_2760: not to say that you can't ask here, but that may be easier for you |
| 20:41.36 | LiquidDemocracy | bensons, http://pastebin.ca/2144920 |
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| 20:42.15 | resc_user_2760 | ok |
| 20:42.20 | resc_user_2760 | thank you ver match |
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| 20:42.31 | dwq | tremon: it wasn't installed for some reason |
| 20:43.11 | tremon | de nada ;) |
| 20:43.12 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: so whats at line 11? |
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| 20:43.39 | LiquidDemocracy | bensons, ddress 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:43.44 | LiquidDemocracy | bensons, adress 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:43.51 | LiquidDemocracy | bensons, address 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:43.54 | LiquidDemocracy | damn |
| 20:44.13 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: pastebin it again please |
| 20:44.36 | LiquidDemocracy | http://pastebin.ca/2144919 |
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| 20:44.45 | LiquidDemocracy | bensons, http://pastebin.ca/2144919 |
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| 20:45.56 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: looks ok for me |
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| 20:46.20 | alex- | Is there any way how I can 'start' a GUI over CLI? |
| 20:46.27 | trysten | alex-: startx |
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| 20:46.47 | alex- | e.g. by keeping the CLI, but when having a screen with a vga directly connected to it it works |
| 20:46.53 | alex- | can i still be using CLI then? |
| 20:46.59 | alex- | which WM/DE does it starts? |
| 20:47.06 | resc_user_2760 | no hay nadie en #debian-es |
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| 20:47.29 | trysten | alex-: i don't understand. once you start X, you can use xterms to access your 'CLI' |
| 20:47.45 | tremon | assumes that means something like "nobody home" |
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| 20:47.52 | alex- | sorry i mean |
| 20:47.52 | trysten | resc_user_2760: no hablo espanol |
| 20:48.04 | alex- | resc_user_2760: Please speak english |
| 20:48.27 | LiquidDemocracy | Anybody who is experienced setting up bridges? |
| 20:48.40 | trysten | resc_user_2760: cual es problema? |
| 20:48.52 | trysten | LiquidDemocracy: the internet :P are you having difficulties? |
| 20:48.55 | alex- | trysten: which DM/WE does starts? |
| 20:49.16 | resc_user_2760 | hellooooo |
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| 20:49.52 | alex- | resc_user_2760: hello :) |
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| 20:50.14 | dwq | tremon: tried aptitude install xserver-org-video-ati but it says that it couldn't find any packages with that name. yet apt-cache policy shows the candidate as 1:6.14.4-2+b1 |
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| 20:50.27 | trysten | alex-: depends. if you only have one installed (through dpkg) it will likely start that one. otherwise it will probably start the one you last installed |
| 20:50.40 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: the config should be ok, simply check whats at line 11 :) |
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| 20:51.49 | tremon | dwq: that's odd. Sure you didn't make a typo? |
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| 20:52.17 | trysten | dwq: cause you sure did in your last message :P xserver-*x*org-video-ati |
| 20:52.41 | bensons | LiquidDemocracy: this is a debian system, yes? |
| 20:52.43 | tremon | ooh... good catch |
| 20:52.47 | trysten | alex-: if you don't have a WM installed, it will start X with a solitary xterm (usually) |
| 20:53.49 | dwq | tremon: trysten: Doh! :) |
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| 20:54.10 | alex- | I want to start XBMC |
| 20:55.11 | trysten | alex-: can you simply type XBMC? |
| 20:55.13 | tremon | alex-: startx will try to run ~/.xsession first, so you can use that. Also, startx -- `which xbmc` might work |
| 20:55.30 | trysten | alex-: tremon has a better idea |
| 20:56.00 | alex- | but can i still ssh in |
| 20:56.04 | alex- | without a gui or something? |
| 20:56.45 | tremon | alex-: you can, but that will tie your X session to your ssh session. Not sure what happens to X if you disconnect from ssh. Better to use a local display manager |
| 20:56.54 | tremon | runs slim on his mythtv box |
| 20:57.16 | alex- | local? |
| 20:57.30 | tremon | local, as in, on the machine where you want xbmc to run |
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| 21:00.12 | alex- | uh |
| 21:00.18 | alex- | What if I start X from the keyboard? |
| 21:00.26 | alex- | instead of ssh |
| 21:00.29 | alex- | can i still ssh in then? |
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| 21:00.40 | trysten | alex-: ssh isin't going to simply turn off |
| 21:00.45 | trysten | alex-: sshd# |
| 21:00.57 | alex- | No I mean |
| 21:01.03 | alex- | I want still be able to use the CLI over SSHD |
| 21:01.10 | alex- | is this possible? |
| 21:01.10 | trysten | which CLI |
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| 21:01.36 | alex- | http://mikelev.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/apt-get-install-openssh-server.gif |
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| 21:02.14 | tremon | alex-: either I'm not understanding your question, or you're not understanding the nature of system services |
| 21:02.24 | trysten | alex-: try this. 1)ssh in 2) run X & 3) run xterm -display :0 |
| 21:02.32 | trysten | tremon: i believe it is the latter |
| 21:02.43 | alex- | I don't want to run the GUI by using ssh |
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| 21:02.58 | trysten | alex-: do it anyways. :P |
| 21:03.06 | alex- | i don't understand this anymore |
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| 21:03.21 | pie_ | what are passwd- and group-? |
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| 21:03.27 | tremon | pie_: backup files |
| 21:03.48 | pie_ | ahh |
| 21:03.56 | pie_ | how often do they get updated? >.> |
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| 21:04.16 | tremon | pie_: as often as you add/change users and groups |
| 21:04.29 | TomLM | How do i edit a read only file system? |
| 21:04.38 | tremon | TomLM: you don't |
| 21:04.57 | TomLM | I really need to edit this iso |
| 21:05.00 | tremon | loves easy questions |
| 21:05.23 | tremon | TomLM: you can create a new one, based off it |
| 21:05.36 | TomLM | How? |
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| 21:06.44 | tremon | TomLM: man mkisofs, for one. Graphical authoring tools like k3b, for another |
| 21:06.52 | TomLM | Okay. |
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| 21:07.51 | KM0201 | does anyone know of a repository with xbmc? |
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| 21:10.10 | dwq | tremon: thank you for the help, everythings back to normal now! |
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| 21:10.14 | alex- | KM0201: apt-get install xbmc |
| 21:10.26 | KM0201 | alex-: i'm just curious, do you really think i'm stupid? |
| 21:10.33 | tremon | KM0201: it's in testing, so will (hopefully) be in the next stable release |
| 21:10.48 | alex- | KM0201: sorry |
| 21:10.50 | alex- | XBMC 11.0 is in Wheezy (testing). Squeeze users should find XBMC 10.0 in the third-party distribution packages from debian-multimedia repository. |
| 21:10.51 | KM0201 | tremon: thats kinda what i was figuring |
| 21:11.17 | alex- | KM0201: Did you enabled debian-multimedia repo's ? |
| 21:11.22 | KM0201 | lol |
| 21:11.29 | KM0201 | i'm gonna have to put you on ignore alex- |
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| 21:11.54 | trysten | KM0201: you might be stupid if you have to ask other people if they think you are stupid. |
| 21:12.05 | trysten | KM0201: lets keep this channel friendly! |
| 21:12.16 | KM0201 | trysten: no.. not at all.. alex is asking me questions, that he absolutely knows i know the answer to. |
| 21:12.38 | trysten | KM0201: alex- seems to be some sort of noob. be nice. |
| 21:12.52 | tremon | KM0201: you should hang out here more often |
| 21:12.58 | KM0201 | lol |
| 21:12.59 | themill | KM0201: we sadly get a lot of questions where the answer to "how do I install foo" is "apt-get install foo". |
| 21:13.43 | KM0201 | but anyway, is there a debian repository somewhere with xbmc in it, that doesn't result in a truckload of dependency errors? |
| 21:13.58 | tremon | KM0201: not for squeeze |
| 21:14.02 | alex- | KM0201: alex-XBMC 11.0 is in Wheezy (testing). Squeeze users should find XBMC 10.0 in the third-party distribution packages from debian-multimedia repository. |
| 21:14.14 | tremon | ,check-backport xbmc |
| 21:14.17 | alex- | debian-multimedia repository |
| 21:14.18 | trysten | alex-: >.< |
| 21:14.26 | alex- | trysten: am i doing it wrong? |
| 21:14.28 | judd | Backporting package xbmc in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libcrystalhd-dev [i386 amd64], libcec-dev (>= 1.1), libshairport-dev, libnfs-dev. |
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| 21:14.33 | KM0201 | alex-: you're just copy/pasting whats on the wiki.. why don't you add that repository, then try to install xbmc |
| 21:14.45 | trysten | i dunno. xbmc is in my repos and i'm not using debian-multimedia |
| 21:14.47 | alex- | KM0201: because I don't need to install XBMC |
| 21:15.24 | KM0201 | alex-: thus my point... which i told you 3x in the other channel, "it gives a bunch of dependency errors" and you keep telling me to add the repository and apt-get it.. which i already tried, thus the dependency errors |
| 21:15.43 | alex- | trysten: will apt-get install -f fix this? |
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| 21:15.51 | KM0201 | .. |
| 21:15.59 | themill | KM0201: as dodgy as dmm often is, it shouldn't cause dependency problems for this package. (I would recommend pinning it to 101 if you were going to use it, however) |
| 21:16.14 | mongo | KM0201: did you do an apt-get update? |
| 21:16.25 | KM0201 | mongo: jesus, is this #ubuntu? |
| 21:16.37 | trysten | laughs at KM0201 |
| 21:16.43 | alex- | KM0201: Why do you ask that? Are this common problems in #ubuntu ? |
| 21:16.50 | mongo | KM0201: I just did a test install on a VM and it worked fine |
| 21:16.50 | trysten | laughs harder |
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| 21:17.18 | KM0201 | mongo: i'm trying to install it on OMV... i don't really know why, i guess just for entertainment value. |
| 21:17.25 | themill | KM0201: you keep telling us about "dependency problems" but I've not seen any output helping me understand what they are. Can you put some real output in a pastebin for us? /msg dpkg bat |
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| 21:17.47 | alex- | http://pastebin.com/chULbsBz |
| 21:17.49 | tremon | themill: I think the dep problems are implied with dmm |
| 21:18.07 | KM0201 | finally, someone gets it. |
| 21:18.43 | themill | KM0201: so it doesn't "give dependency problems" but you are worried that it "might give you dependency problems". Being precise is useful. |
| 21:18.48 | tremon | KM0201: you could also stop being deliberately obtuse, and just explain that you wouldn't touch dmm with a pole of any length |
| 21:19.01 | KM0201 | lol |
| 21:19.19 | tremon | :) |
| 21:19.20 | KM0201 | tremon: for this project, i was willing to try dmm.. (possibly just to make a point) but we'll see. |
| 21:19.32 | themill | also, your comments and the pastebin there imply that you have actually tried it so there are real errors to be showing us |
| 21:19.55 | KM0201 | themill: yes, of course |
| 21:20.25 | themill | KM0201: please make it easy for people to help you; real output → paste.debian.net is one way of doing that. |
| 21:20.33 | tremon | KM0201: not sure if you're just playing around with it or you want to build something that lasts, but if I were to build a xbmc machine now I'd go with Wheezy, without dmm |
| 21:20.41 | stercor | What is the name of the character table program? |
| 21:21.15 | KM0201 | http://pastebin.com/yv3J4Tq3 |
| 21:21.27 | KM0201 | tremon: just playing around w/ it. |
| 21:21.37 | alex- | KM0201: apt-get install xbmc-bin |
| 21:21.58 | alex- | KM0201: apt-get install xbmc-bin && apt-get install xbmc-data && apt-get install xbmc-skin |
| 21:22.03 | tremon | stercor: *the* program? |
| 21:22.05 | alex- | and then install xbmc |
| 21:22.15 | mongo | or use aptitude :) |
| 21:22.24 | stercor | Uh-huh. |
| 21:22.26 | KM0201 | .. |
| 21:22.34 | KM0201 | xbmc-bin same errors |
| 21:22.50 | alex- | xbmc-bin says it needs xbmc-bin? X |
| 21:22.52 | alex- | XD |
| 21:22.52 | stercor | tremon: or the program to display it. |
| 21:23.04 | KM0201 | no, broken/unmet packages |
| 21:23.16 | mongo | aptitude install xbmc-bin xbmc-data xbmc-skin xbmc |
| 21:23.17 | tremon | stercor: like, http://www.asciitable.com/ ? |
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| 21:23.26 | alex- | mongo: ah that's also possible, lol |
| 21:23.26 | lasers | KM0201: http://xbmc.org/download/ -- Check out XBMCbuntu |
| 21:23.53 | trysten | lasers: what is this #ubuntu?! |
| 21:23.53 | themill | KM0201: using aptitude might be handy instead of apt-get as it would normally provide better information as to why. Also, /msg dpkg bat and provide the relevant information. |
| 21:23.57 | KM0201 | lasers: welll, thats not really want i'm wanting |
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| 21:24.01 | tremon | ducks |
| 21:24.11 | stercor | tremon: There is in Ubuntu a character table option in Accessories, which I don't see in Debian. I'd like to have it. |
| 21:24.24 | tremon | stercor: probably gucharmap |
| 21:24.36 | cusco | what is ubuntu in toystory ? |
| 21:24.36 | mongo | or man ascii? |
| 21:24.37 | cusco | :p |
| 21:24.50 | KM0201 | i'm not really sure why anyone would think xbmc ubuntu would be a solution to this problem |
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| 21:25.34 | Iridos | I'm not sure why everyone uses the u-word suddenly |
| 21:25.51 | mongo | KM0201: well mutually dependant packages just need to be installed at the same time. |
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| 21:26.19 | mongo | I spend all of yesterday trying to make upstart scripts, the U-word is a bad one today :) |
| 21:26.41 | KM0201 | mongo: i understand that |
| 21:27.08 | alex- | Iridos: uDebian |
| 21:27.10 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.25 | lasers | Planet Uranus |
| 21:27.28 | trysten | dUbuntu |
| 21:27.29 | mongo | KM0201: so add the dependant packages to the command and it will be fine, although xbmc needs to fix their stuff |
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| 21:30.36 | KM0201 | http://pastebin.com/7NN0F4BY |
| 21:30.58 | zando | any ideas how to set a web dev desktop enviroment based on debian? I want to build a Drupal based portal |
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| 21:32.25 | boudiccas | i'm using libreofice 3.4.6, from backports, on squeeze and it doesnt have autospellchecking enabled. does anyone know how to enable it please? |
| 21:33.18 | mongo | KM0201: run the command I put above, all on one line |
| 21:33.45 | TomLM | E: Package 'mkisofs' has no installation candidate |
| 21:33.46 | TomLM | mmm? |
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| 21:34.59 | KM0201 | mongo: seems i'm gonna end up in dependency hell http://pastebin.com/W6YRKVT8 |
| 21:35.20 | mongo | TomLM: mkisofs has been a pointer to genisoimage for a long time |
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| 21:36.09 | mongo | KM0201: have you run apt-get upgrade lately? |
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| 21:36.34 | KM0201 | mongo: nothing new |
| 21:37.30 | lasers | zando: "sudo tasksel" have web-server option. That might be your starting point. Also, hit up in drupal channel. |
| 21:37.32 | KM0201 | oh well, not a big deal, i was really just gonna prove a point with it. |
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| 21:38.16 | lasers | KM0201: Compile XBMC if you want 11 (on Squeeze) or use Wheezy since it have xbmc too? |
| 21:38.28 | zando | lasers: tks man! |
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| 21:38.38 | KM0201 | compiling--- not wasting my time with that... wheezy. no |
| 21:39.05 | lasers | KM0201: You only need to do it once as long as you're on Eden branch, not master. |
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| 21:39.20 | KM0201 | lasers: its not that big of a deal to go to that hassle |
| 21:39.31 | KM0201 | just kinda surprised its not in the squeeze repos to be honest |
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| 21:40.25 | KM0201 | i guess i could get really crazy, and add an ubuntu PPA...lol |
| 21:40.27 | Iridos | judd, versions libavcodec52 |
| 21:40.28 | judd | Package: libavcodec52 on i386 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.12-0.0 |
| 21:40.40 | lasers | KM0201: That's more hassle than compiling. :| |
| 21:40.45 | KM0201 | lol |
| 21:40.46 | Iridos | judd, versions xbmc-bin |
| 21:40.47 | judd | Package: xbmc-bin on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120403.ec33f1f+repack1-5; sid: 2:11.0~git20120423.cd20772-2; sid-multimedia: 3:11.0-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:11.0-0.1 |
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| 21:41.24 | Iridos | you're not trying to get xbmc-bin from wheezy instead of dmm, are you? |
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| 21:41.40 | KM0201 | no |
| 21:43.29 | lasers | KM0201: If you don't want to learn how to do things properly, you might as well go with XBMCbuntu. Sure, it sucks taking up your time, but what? You're going to use it to watch TV shows and movies on XBMC. :P |
| 21:43.35 | mongo | KM0201: if you do a aptitude show xbmc what version does it show? |
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| 21:43.58 | KM0201 | mongo: hold on, doing something else right now. |
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| 21:44.07 | DarkStar1 | Hello guys, I think I installed debian on my remote server but can't remember hwo to check whic version I have |
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| 21:44.15 | KM0201 | lasers: it has nothing to do with doing something "properly".. |
| 21:44.16 | Iridos | well, show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy |
| 21:44.36 | lasers | DarkStar1: "lsb_release -a" |
| 21:44.41 | DarkStar1 | thx |
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| 21:44.52 | Iridos | xmbc-bin in dmm depends on libavcodec52 in dmm... don't see why that should be a problem, though |
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| 21:45.22 | KM0201 | ya |
| 21:45.37 | Iridos | also, you _are_ allowed to say "N" to aptitudes suggestion of solving the problem... the 1st suggestion is nearly always a null-operation leaving everything as it is |
| 21:45.38 | DarkStar1 | lasers: aahh must be logged into the wrong server then, because that produced nothing. Thanks anyways |
| 21:46.00 | KM0201 | Iridos: i know. |
| 21:46.31 | mongo | DarkStar1: cat /etc/debian_version or cat /etc/issue may help |
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| 21:47.31 | DarkStar1 | mongo: Thanks, but I think this server is another distro. I knew about the lsb commands I was just so sure this one was the debian server |
| 21:47.40 | DarkStar1 | now I have to guess which distro it is :D |
| 21:47.59 | mongo | DarkStar1: most tend to put a file called /etc/*version |
| 21:48.08 | jhutchins | or *release |
| 21:48.42 | DarkStar1 | thx. Looking now |
| 21:48.56 | Iridos | or put something telling in the kernel name |
| 21:49.18 | mongo | i guess the rpm world is /etc/*release |
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| 21:50.22 | DarkStar1 | Ok, I was right. seems it is the debian distro (the debconf in /etc) but wonder why lsb didn't work ?? |
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| 21:50.28 | DarkStar1 | 0_o? hhmm.... |
| 21:51.06 | tremon | DarkStar1: lsb* are optional packages |
| 21:51.09 | mongo | DarkStar1: is this a cloud? server |
| 21:51.27 | Woet | a cloud server? |
| 21:51.28 | DarkStar1 | mongo: virtual |
| 21:51.46 | Woet | you mean a vps but with an overhyped word that only appeals to managers? |
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| 21:52.10 | DarkStar1 | in anycase I found what I need. Is the sun-java6-jdk package installable by apt-get utility? |
| 21:52.26 | mongo | DarkStar1: on which release? |
| 21:52.46 | mongo | DarkStar1: oracle recently made it illegal for 3rd partys to distribute java. |
| 21:53.05 | DarkStar1 | If I am correct this is the one I brought to the 6.0 level from 5.0 which was the only thing the provider woould allow me to install |
| 21:53.39 | DarkStar1 | yup. /etc/issue says 6.0 |
| 21:54.09 | mongo | DarkStar1: if you can use openjdk it is suggested, as you won't have package management for security issues if you use the sun jdk |
| 21:54.41 | DarkStar1 | mongo: I gotta use the jdk because the software I am trying to install suggests using it for less headaches |
| 21:54.48 | DarkStar1 | apache solr |
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| 21:56.18 | mongo | apache on a web host I would think that security is better than installation difficulties |
| 21:56.47 | mongo | but that is why it is gone, the package had massive security holes and it was illegal to host a newer version |
| 21:57.07 | DarkStar1 | aahhh.. ok I'll go with the open jdk for the time being then |
| 21:57.48 | boudiccas | i'm using libreofice 3.4.6, from backports, on squeeze and it doesnt have autospellchecking enabled. does anyone know how to enable it please? |
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| 21:59.27 | felkor | hi, isn't here a bot that tells if a package is "backportable" to squeeze? how do i run it? |
| 21:59.45 | bardzusn1 | boudiccas: I think you must download dictionaries for your language |
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| 22:00.35 | felkor | !bpo midori |
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| 22:03.23 | tremon | felkor: you want /msg judd check-backport |
| 22:04.32 | felkor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:04.51 | tremon | felkor: without the initial space |
| 22:05.01 | felkor | thank you tremon |
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| 22:24.19 | orfix | Hi, while installing debian squeeze 6.0.4 I get a lot of I/O errors see http://pastebin.com/kvKeYw8d the hard drive is a brand new Samsung HD083GJ 80GB (SATA), any idea ? |
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| 22:27.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Am I correct in believing that if I repository disc contains a ".disk/info" file, that the text contained within is what disk name debian will ask for when installing packages that requires that specific disk? Otherwise if the disk is missing this folder and file, when the disk is added a package source, the user will be prompted for a "name"? |
| 22:27.27 | tremon | orfix: that's transfer errors, either the disk isn't connected properly, you have faulty wiring or the transmitters on either the disk or motherboard are failing |
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| 22:31.09 | orfix | tremon: the cable is connected properly (I guess), I am suspecting a jumper issue... |
| 22:32.22 | Devastator | orfix download samsung diagnostic tools to scan your drive, it can be a hardware problem |
| 22:33.17 | orfix | mmm apparently there's no jumper in SATA II |
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| 22:33.42 | orfix | Devastator: I tried to look for the latest firmware from samsung but didn't find anything... |
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| 22:33.48 | johnfg_ | hi guys |
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| 22:33.59 | orfix | Devastator: diagnostic tool ok I'll look for it. |
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| 22:34.33 | johnfg_ | I'm running squeeze. How can I find out what the latest version, most recent I mean, of xfce4, like from backports? I wondered if 4.10 is available anywhere? |
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| 22:34.51 | tremon | ,versions xfce4 |
| 22:34.52 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
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| 22:35.23 | tremon | johnfg_: in general, use apt-cache policy or packages.debian.org |
| 22:35.44 | johnfg_ | tremon, Ok, will check, thanks. |
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| 22:36.56 | orfix | Devastator: seagate is now in charge of samsung HDD, so I'll try this tool http://www.seagate.com/support/internal-hard-drives/consumer-electronics/ld25-series/seatools-dos-master/ |
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| 22:37.17 | johnfg_ | tremon, ok, running apt-cache policy xfce4, it has 4.6.2 for squeeze. Can I run that somehow for backports or testing to see if they're up to 4.10? |
| 22:37.51 | orfix | I hope that DDing the iso to my usb stick will work (my desktop do not have an optical drive) |
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| 22:40.06 | jagginess | orfix, the latest ones i know you can do that (at least debian6) |
| 22:41.25 | orfix | jagginess: I was talking about the diagnostic tool from seagate, and apparently it doesn't work :( |
| 22:42.23 | streuner | well, this plugin-containe is only crap! |
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| 22:44.07 | streuner | plugin-containe make firecrap a perfect nightmare |
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| 22:46.04 | orfix | the only setting I have in the BIOS regarding HDD is ATA/IDE Mode, I tried both modes Native and Legacy. |
| 22:46.50 | tremon | orfix: use native, legacy is only for os'es that only speak ide (i.e. winxp) |
| 22:47.20 | orfix | tremon: ok, it's now set to native. |
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| 22:50.30 | johnfg_ | tremon, Ok, even in unstable, they're only up to 4.8, not the latest 4.10. |
| 22:51.06 | hesco | I am trying to access some archives on an old IDE disk, connected by a usb -> IDE adapter. When I plug in the data the adapter's led comes on. when I plug in the power, I can feel it whir to life. But I seem unable to figure out how to mount it. I find nothing in /dev/ that seems relevant. lsusb shows me: "Bus 005 Device 002: ID 152d:2338 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JM20337 Hi-Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo |
| 22:51.45 | jagginess | hesco, dmesg |tail |
| 22:51.57 | jagginess | hesco, it may be /dev/sda , do fdisk -l |
| 22:52.18 | jagginess | (and dmesg may say it's sdb or sda.. something like this) |
| 22:53.54 | hesco | I see mention of sdc |
| 22:54.55 | Devastator | orfix do you have a working computer? either linux or windows |
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| 22:56.13 | hesco | fdisk -l, after listing out the components of my lvm and the IDE disk I'm still running, also lists /dev/dm-[0-3] |
| 22:56.35 | hesco | saying about them that they 'doesn't contain a valid partition table' |
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| 22:57.14 | hesco | have I lost this disk and its data? |
| 22:57.24 | pfred1 | Devastator depends on how you define "working" |
| 22:57.53 | abrotman | pfred1: he wasn't asking you |
| 22:58.16 | Devastator | pfred1 i found linux live usb creator as an option and win32 disk imager for windows |
| 22:58.21 | pfred1 | abrotman that matters to me how? |
| 22:58.31 | hesco | their listings are three days older than would make sense if udev created them when I plugged this in |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | pfred1: try to be helpful, you rarely are |
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| 22:59.52 | pfred1 | abrotman get a mirror |
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| 23:00.50 | abrotman | ugh, another useless person |
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| 23:01.54 | Devastator | orfix still there?! |
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| 23:03.06 | Lns | Here's what my usb "big red button" says in dmesg: [72417.152975] generic-usb 0003:1D34:000D.0004: hiddev0,hidraw3: USB HID v1.10 Device [Dream Link DL100B Dream Cheeky Generic Controller] on usb-0000:00:0b.1-10.2/input0 |
| 23:03.26 | Lns | also says "[73237.110220] usb 1-10.2: Product: DL100B Dream Cheeky Generic Controller" |
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| 23:03.46 | orfix | Devastator: yes yes |
| 23:03.54 | Lns | Can anyone tell me what kind of device this is being recognized as? It doesn't seem to be a gamepad as I've tested everything with jstest and it doesn't seem to generate any events |
| 23:04.03 | orfix | Devastator: my laptop is on debian. |
| 23:04.23 | Devastator | let me see if linux live usb creator is a package |
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| 23:05.18 | orfix | Devastator: I have debian live on a usb stick... but still the same issue... |
| 23:05.51 | Devastator | orfix sorry, I misread the site |
| 23:06.12 | Devastator | orfix if dd isn't working for you, then i don't know |
| 23:06.48 | Devastator | abrotman shouldn't 'dd if=/path/to/bootable.iso of=/path/to/pendrive be enough for a bootable iso on a pendrive? |
| 23:07.15 | dvs | Devastator: As long as you do a "sync" afterwards. |
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| 23:07.18 | orfix | Devastator: this is what I did to create my live debian usb stick |
| 23:07.33 | orfix | dvs: yes I did a sync |
| 23:07.33 | orfix | + umount |
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| 23:07.48 | pfred1 | Devastator I use unetbootin it seems to work OK |
| 23:08.16 | Devastator | pfred1 in his case he wants to put seatools on his pendrive |
| 23:08.19 | orfix | ok I'll try a second time (reminder this is not a debian image, it's the diagnostic tool from seagate) |
| 23:08.39 | pfred1 | Devastator unetbootin takes iso images as input |
| 23:08.50 | jagginess | orfix, i mentioned that to you about the debian iso, if it's seagate you need to go to the seagate site |
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| 23:09.23 | Devastator | jagginess he has seatools iso already, he's just having trouble to put it on a pendrive |
| 23:09.31 | orfix | yep |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | Devastator: what does the installaation guide say ? |
| 23:09.51 | jagginess | Devastator, well if you havent done it, no point on guessing |
| 23:09.56 | abrotman | unetbootin is a broken pile of crap |
| 23:10.10 | pfred1 | abrotman it works fine here for me |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | good for you |
| 23:11.03 | Devastator | abrotman it just says to burn the iso on a cd |
| 23:11.32 | abrotman | Devastator: there's a section about USB installation setup |
| 23:12.26 | Lns | if anyone cares about my project, i found an awesome script: http://www.binrand.com/post/311811-x00-handle-test.html - just have to apt-get install python-usb and it acts as a monitor for the button |
| 23:12.29 | orfix | abrotman: where did you saw that ? |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | !tell orfix about usb install |
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| 23:15.12 | orfix | dd doesn't work: dd if=SeaToolsDOS223ALL.ISO of=/dev/sdb && sync && umount /dev/sdb |
| 23:15.46 | orfix | for debian installation once this problem is solved I'll use netboot (PXE). |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | did you read the isntallatoin guide yet? |
| 23:15.52 | dvs | orfix: Then use cat |
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| 23:17.27 | abrotman | orfix: sorry, thought you were trying to do a Debian install CD |
| 23:17.36 | abrotman | orfix: is this supposed to be a bootable ISO ? |
| 23:17.55 | dvs | orfix: Debian's ISO files are specially formatted. It's different from an ordinary ISO. |
| 23:18.07 | orfix | abrotman: yes. |
| 23:18.37 | jagginess | orfix, not all cd iso imags have boot properties to allow them to boot from usb.. so hence again you have to check that on the seagate site |
| 23:18.52 | orfix | abrotman: when trying to install debian I got a lot I/O errors http://pastebin.com/kvKeYw8d any idea ? |
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| 23:18.59 | abrotman | orfix: and you can't run these tools from the OS ? |
| 23:19.19 | orfix | abrotman: there's no OS, it's a brand new desktop. |
| 23:19.26 | orfix | with no optical drive. |
| 23:19.52 | orfix | jagginess: on seagate website they only talk about burning the ISO to a CDROM. |
| 23:20.03 | jagginess | orfix, it says drive err, looks like a hardware error.. |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | orfix: and what do you need this Seagate ISO for ? |
| 23:20.38 | Devastator | from what he said earlier, seagate now handles support of samsung drives |
| 23:20.38 | jagginess | orfix, it's possible a cable is lose internally.. |
| 23:20.42 | orfix | to check if it's a HD error, and if it can be repaired or not. |
| 23:20.52 | Devastator | i recommended him to run a diag tool on the hdd before installing debian |
| 23:21.07 | orfix | jagginess: I opened the case and the cables seems to be ok. |
| 23:21.59 | jagginess | orfix, try attaching the hd to the first sata slot port |
| 23:22.16 | orfix | it's already on the first SATA slot. |
| 23:22.33 | orfix | I'll try to put it on the second slot. |
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| 23:23.17 | jagginess | orfix, would that happen to be a green WD harddrive? |
| 23:23.26 | Devastator | samsung.. |
| 23:23.29 | dvs | heh |
| 23:23.48 | Devastator | <orfix> Hi, while installing debian squeeze 6.0.4 I get a lot of I/O errors see http://pastebin.com/kvKeYw8d the hard drive is a brand new Samsung HD083GJ 80GB (SATA), any idea ? |
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| 23:24.28 | boudiccas | ,versions libreoffice |
| 23:24.29 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; sid: 1:3.5.2-6; experimental: 1:3.5.3-1 |
| 23:24.38 | jagginess | orfix, if you want to try, try disabling SMART in the bios for the hd |
| 23:25.12 | Devastator | disable smart on a brand new hdd? also, I don't think smart can cause i/o errors |
| 23:25.18 | abrotman | boudiccas: you can msg the bot or use packages.debian.org |
| 23:26.11 | boudiccas | abrotman: i just wanted to see which version was in wheezy, but thanks anyway |
| 23:26.38 | abrotman | missing the point .. |
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| 23:27.33 | Devastator | orfix any windows machine around? |
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| 23:27.50 | dvs | Devastator: blasphemy! |
| 23:28.25 | Devastator | dvs well, I don't know how to tell him how to burn a bootable iso into a pendrive in linux |
| 23:28.27 | Devastator | :( |
| 23:28.44 | orfix | I am opening the case one more time to try the second SATA slot. |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | Devastator: it may not be possible, depends on the ISO |
| 23:29.29 | orfix | Devastator: I will see tomorrow in Windows when I am at work. |
| 23:29.48 | Devastator | abrotman you mean, the iso must be bootable or something else? |
| 23:30.26 | SomeoneWeird | anyone know how to download a vimeo video? |
| 23:31.33 | orfix | same errors :( |
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| 23:32.02 | orfix | I'll know disable the S.M.A.R.T in bios to see (even though I don't think it will work) |
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| 23:32.19 | jagginess | orfix, btw you can always try to upgrade your bios |
| 23:32.30 | jagginess | it's possible it can be a bios issue |
| 23:32.30 | Devastator | I had the same problem on thursday, I wanted to burn this same iso on a pendrive... |
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| 23:33.08 | orfix | jagginess: I suspect the HDD firmware |
| 23:33.23 | Devastator | i suspect hdd hardware |
| 23:33.28 | jagginess | orfix, not nec.. sometimes its the bios not copatible with new hd firmwares |
| 23:33.34 | orfix | Devastator: it's brand new |
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| 23:33.51 | abrotman | maybe he should ask ##hardware ? |
| 23:34.07 | Devastator | probably |
| 23:34.33 | orfix | disabling SMART didn't help. |
| 23:35.37 | jagginess | orfix, what's the motherboard? |
| 23:35.50 | jagginess | orfix, and it's ok to ask #hardware.. it's sounding very hardware oriented |
| 23:36.09 | Iridos | ## |
| 23:36.15 | orfix | jagginess: intel D945GCLF2D |
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| 23:38.21 | dvs | That's got to be a Pentium 4 or something like that. |
| 23:38.53 | orfix | nop it's an ATOM 330 |
| 23:39.06 | orfix | 64bit |
| 23:39.26 | orfix | tomorrow at work I'll use a Windows machine and follow these steps http://samehfakoua.blogspot.com/2011/04/boot-seatools-from-usb.html |
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| 23:44.55 | digitteknohippie | is it possible to have python3 and 2 at the same time in debian? (like u can in gentoo with slots) ... and... is it safe to just install python3? (it's not going to break python2 apps, right?) |
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| 23:45.42 | abrotman | digitteknohippie: only if you link /usr/bin/python to python3 |
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| 23:46.02 | abrotman | digitteknohippie: that'd be my guess, but i don't use python enough to want to do something like that |
| 23:46.09 | digitteknohippie | ok, cool, so then everything will work seamlessly? ~ er. oh. |
| 23:46.36 | abrotman | digitteknohippie: perhaps ask #debian-python on OFTC |
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| 23:46.56 | scientes | <scientes> what do i pass to apt-get to not configure automatically? |
| 23:46.56 | scientes | <scientes> (so i can change something first) |
| 23:47.09 | digitteknohippie | o wait, nm. seems it is installed... my problem must be something else then. |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | ugh .. copy paste from the other network |
| 23:47.24 | abrotman | !tell scientes about multiask |
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| 23:47.28 | abrotman | !tell scientes about piav |
| 23:47.33 | camacio | ciao |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | !tell scientes about multiple ask |
| 23:47.40 | camacio | !list |
| 23:47.48 | abrotman | camacio: no warez here |
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| 23:49.11 | orfix | Thank you guys for the support. Good night. |
| 23:50.06 | scientes | abrotman, sorry |
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