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| 00:04.08 | negge | holy shit I actually got the fingerprint reader on my Thinkpad to work |
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| 00:04.53 | tocka | negge keep that finger safe now, lol |
| 00:04.58 | kba_ | fingerprinter readers are bad security |
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| 00:05.23 | negge | kba_: yeah but they're cool |
| 00:05.52 | negge | especially when 1% of laptops have one, and 1% of the owners of those laptops don't use them |
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| 00:06.18 | Guest12480 | 1% of the owners don't use them? |
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| 00:07.23 | Guest12480 | I think it's more like 1% of the users do use it |
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| 00:09.55 | nielou44 | What are the very first app without you couldn't work... In a day to day use. |
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| 00:10.41 | kba | ssh/term |
| 00:11.02 | negge | lirc |
| 00:11.26 | tocka | i just wanted to ask, Iv installed the text version of ubuntu, is it possible to switch it to graphic? Or do I have to reinstall everything all over again? |
| 00:11.44 | tocka | not ubuntu |
| 00:11.47 | tocka | debian* |
| 00:12.06 | kba | by text version, I assume you meant you haven't installed X, nor a desktop manager |
| 00:12.10 | kba | so just install those |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | tocka: install xorg and the WM you want |
| 00:13.10 | tocka | Um.. Could you explain it a little bit more? I have an assignment todo for uni and Im not familiar with ubuntu at all.. |
| 00:13.12 | tocka | :/ |
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| 00:13.39 | kba | tocka: I'm sure you've had education or documentation presented |
| 00:13.45 | kba | no? |
| 00:13.58 | tocka | we had a little bit and thats it |
| 00:14.07 | tocka | no one really bothered telling more about it |
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| 00:17.10 | abrotman | tocka: this is not #ubuntu |
| 00:18.51 | tocka | abrotman: I corrected my self^ |
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| 00:19.41 | Iridos | not the 2nd time :) |
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| 00:20.13 | Iridos | also, Mr. Freud says these things aren't coincidence |
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| 00:20.34 | Devastator | sounds like someone couldn't get help in the proper channel and came here :) |
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| 00:20.51 | Iridos | dpkg, install x |
| 00:20.52 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 00:20.55 | kba | and also, the package manager is something that's covered pretty early in the debian docu |
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| 00:21.27 | abrotman | tocka: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 00:21.34 | Iridos | actually might throw out "Lenny" now from that factoid |
| 00:21.38 | tocka | thank you |
| 00:21.53 | e20100633 | hello |
| 00:22.06 | e20100633 | excuse me, is there a specific channel for debian-ppc please? |
| 00:22.36 | Iridos | #debian-ppc on irc.oftc.net, iirc |
| 00:22.43 | kba | #debianppc on irc.debian.org |
| 00:22.55 | e20100633 | Iridos && kba: thank you both :) |
| 00:22.57 | Iridos | oh, without the -? |
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| 00:23.03 | calrogman | Iridos: yeah |
| 00:23.44 | Iridos | (irc.debian.org and oftc really are two names for the same network, though) |
| 00:23.53 | e20100633 | oh ok... |
| 00:23.59 | Iridos | dpkg, ppc |
| 00:24.00 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>, <macsound>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:24.17 | Iridos | just shows I should rely on factoids instead of memory :/ |
| 00:24.44 | Iridos | oh, there's one #debianppc here as well. Didn't know that either |
| 00:24.50 | Iridos | or didn't remembe |
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| 00:28.32 | peterrooney | is annoyed that Apple decided to call their OSX bootloader BootX too |
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| 00:29.16 | Iridos | not iBoot? |
| 00:29.48 | calrogman | iBoot is their new shiny beveled touchscreen footwear |
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| 00:30.39 | Iridos | they also thought of going into business with drugs... |
| 00:30.41 | Iridos | "iPot" |
| 00:30.45 | nielou44 | Besides android system limitations... Same question plz : What should be you favorites apt-get choices... |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | nielou44: please stop taking polls |
| 00:31.13 | nielou44 | Busybox is ok. Vncserver too. |
| 00:31.25 | nielou44 | Pools? |
| 00:31.40 | calrogman | Closed. Due to polls in the water. |
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| 00:34.17 | nielou44 | Eh |
| 00:34.43 | nielou44 | Polls are forbiden ? |
| 00:35.29 | nielou44 | I call my questions searching advices though |
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| 00:36.32 | nielou44 | Poo |
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| 00:36.58 | dvs | merd! |
| 00:37.10 | nielou44 | Ahahah |
| 00:37.29 | nevyn | doesn't merde have an e? |
| 00:37.56 | nielou44 | At the end definitively : yes! |
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| 00:38.12 | MidnighToker | evening all. I'm ssh'd into a squeeze server over ipv4. when I try and apt-get update it's failing, but it's also trying to use ipv6 routes. any idea how I can temperarilly disable the ipv6? |
| 00:38.23 | MidnighToker | my contact with ipv6 is sorely lacking :S |
| 00:38.38 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: in my experience, that's usually caused by your v4 being broken |
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| 00:39.09 | sausage2 | Hey. Any op in here? :) |
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| 00:39.15 | MidnighToker | hmm. care to elaborate Dagger2, please? |
| 00:39.44 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: apt-get correctly tries v4 first, which fails... then it gives the v6 a go anyway (which I guess fails immediately because you have no v6), and then it only bothers to report the last connection failure |
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| 00:40.12 | nielou44 | Echoed some shit in /sys or /proc ? |
| 00:40.15 | MidnighToker | Dagger2: how can I test that? |
| 00:40.25 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: try to fetch a page from your mirror with wget and see if it works |
| 00:40.36 | MidnighToker | i was going to test that by disabling the v6, as I know its broken -there's a v6 ip and no route :S |
| 00:40.54 | MidnighToker | Dagger2: i don't know what file it's trying to get |
| 00:40.56 | sausage2 | hey, MidnighToker. Why don't you just shove that v6 ip up your ass? |
| 00:41.48 | MidnighToker | o_0 -constructive and helpful. |
| 00:41.50 | sausage2 | Dagger2: I can wget a dildo up your arse if you mind |
| 00:42.16 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: what mirror are you using (from /etc/apt/sources.list)? |
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| 00:42.18 | sausage2 | hey nielou44, want me to shit in your face? Do you? |
| 00:42.25 | MidnighToker | ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 00:42.31 | nielou44 | Lol |
| 00:42.39 | MidnighToker | host returns both a v4 and v6 |
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| 00:42.53 | abrotman | sausage2: please go play somewhere else, thank you |
| 00:42.57 | nielou44 | Sausage2: how big are you ? |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | nielou44: drop it |
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| 00:43.15 | nielou44 | Ahahah |
| 00:43.27 | nielou44 | Beuurk |
| 00:43.32 | MidnighToker | you know what, better question: how can i take down the IP6 address from this interface and leave the v4 up; bearing in mind I'm ssh'd in. |
| 00:43.33 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: try `wget http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz` then |
| 00:43.34 | MidnighToker | please :) |
| 00:43.58 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: I'm trying to get through this without resorting to "disable all the IPv6s" :-) |
| 00:43.59 | abrotman | MidnighToker: bring down the v6 IP ? |
| 00:44.02 | MidnighToker | Dagger2: times out connecting to the v6 address. |
| 00:44.19 | MidnighToker | finally then gets it from the v4. though apt-get update doesn't. |
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| 00:44.53 | MidnighToker | abrotman: remove the ipv6 address from the interface without cutting my ssh connection / locking myself out ;) |
| 00:45.35 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: you can remove the v6 address itself by doing `ip a d <addr> dev eth0`, but it might just come back again |
| 00:45.54 | Dagger2 | MidnighToker: what does it begin with? |
| 00:46.10 | MidnighToker | i don't object to it coming back; its getting re-housed in the next week and there should be proper v6 conenctivity there, so i'm told :S |
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| 00:47.34 | MidnighToker | there's two inet6 addresses listed: 2001:470:xxxx::x/64 and fe80::2e0:29ff:xxxx:xxxx/64 |
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| 00:48.28 | Dagger2 | that 2001:470:xxxx::x/64 looks like it's manually configured... in which case `ip addr del 2001:470:xxxx::x/64 dev eth0` should do it |
| 00:48.37 | Dagger2 | the fe80:: ones you can ignore |
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| 00:50.01 | MidnighToker | Dagger2: deleted both addresses and... oh c'mon. gpg error now ;) |
| 00:50.46 | Dagger2 | ok, I have no idea how to fix GPG errors ;) |
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| 00:51.11 | MidnighToker | http://pastebin.com/p7KYGjUA if you want to check I'm reading it right :S |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | disable the volatile repo .. use the correct one if you need it |
| 00:51.58 | Dagger2 | well... it's only on volatile. you can probably live without that |
| 00:52.19 | sifu6699 | I installed xorg and kernel 3.2.x from backports, but vlc can't show videos |
| 00:52.40 | Dagger2 | actually, this is what I have in sources.list: https://p.6core.net/p/p77gl9ewenlj6old |
| 00:52.51 | MidnighToker | ta :) |
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| 00:52.55 | Dagger2 | so I guess you should probably replace the volatile line with that |
| 00:52.58 | sifu6699 | though the xserver doesn't crash now, the video isnt working |
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| 00:53.54 | sifu6699 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.15 | MidnighToker | ty :) |
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| 00:55.27 | MidnighToker | Dagger2: yeah, that's got it. many thanks. nothing to do with messing with the v6... stupid me :S |
| 00:57.37 | MidnighToker | bah, it's been far too long since I've played with deb :S |
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| 00:59.40 | MidnighToker | many thanks to you and abrotman for your help (and patience) |
| 00:59.41 | Iridos | sausage inna bun? :D |
| 00:59.54 | MidnighToker | lethal. |
| 01:00.21 | MidnighToker | though only a penny and that's cutting my own throat... |
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| 01:01.07 | Iridos | :D |
| 01:02.19 | Iridos | MidnighToker, CutMeOwnThroat was the nick I used in here for a long time... but got a bit tired of people asking if I was suicidal or whatever comment it was |
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| 01:02.40 | MidnighToker | hehe, yeah, that could be horribly misunderstood :) |
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| 01:03.07 | Aliv3 | hello. might be giving you another try, debian |
| 01:03.14 | MidnighToker | (woop, didn't hurt the server :) ) |
| 01:03.23 | MidnighToker | s/hurt/hose ;) |
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| 01:06.21 | sifu6699 | anyone can help me with my video problem? |
| 01:06.38 | MidnighToker | is there an error? |
| 01:07.08 | sifu6699 | sound works but i can't see the video |
| 01:08.04 | MidnighToker | oh, its just vlc... umm, i don't really know :S |
| 01:08.11 | MidnighToker | run vlc from the cli and see if it says anything |
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| 01:09.32 | sifu6699 | ok |
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| 01:11.14 | lolcat | - |
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| 01:11.17 | sifu6699 | i get this after i use cvlc:pal8 is not supported as output pixel format |
| 01:11.24 | sifu6699 | pal8 is not supported as output pixel format |
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| 01:11.52 | sifu6699 | wscale scale error: could not init SwScaler and/or allocate memory |
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| 01:25.55 | meLon | Any reason why a thumb drive that has no problem automounting will not mount using fstab entry (once un-mounted) with this error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, fstab says it's ext2 and it is ext2 |
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| 01:35.31 | mongo | meLon: try using the UUID |
| 01:35.55 | mongo | also did you put the 0 0 after teh mount options? |
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| 01:36.51 | mongo | e.g. "/dev/sdb1 /mnt ext2 defaults 0 0" |
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| 01:57.43 | harold | how come the wtmp log file is all screwed up? How can I view it properly? |
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| 01:59.24 | abrotman | last |
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| 02:00.36 | prefixed | what's a good way to cut out all but a portion of lines from an error log? |
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| 02:01.36 | mongo | do they have a pattern or do you know the line numbers? |
| 02:02.03 | prefixed | I simply want to clear out something like all but the 100 most recent entries |
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| 02:02.15 | mongo | tail -n100 |
| 02:02.20 | dvs | prefixed: tail -100 |
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| 02:02.30 | abrotman | i think he wants to edit the log to permanently remove the lines ? |
| 02:02.34 | prefixed | yes |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | prefixed: why not wait for logrotate to do its work ? |
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| 02:03.56 | prefixed | looks like logrotate isn't doing its job on this particular log |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | which is ? |
| 02:04.56 | prefixed | oh |
| 02:05.03 | prefixed | so I should just run logrotate as a cron job? |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | you shouldn't have to . .which log is it ? |
| 02:05.33 | prefixed | it's an error log in one of my vhost dirs |
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| 02:07.00 | prefixed | hm. where is the logrotate config file usually stored? |
| 02:08.11 | mongo | sed -e :a -e '$q;N;101,$D;ba' -i logfile |
| 02:08.21 | mongo | taht will cut all but the last 100 lines of the file |
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| 02:08.58 | mongo | head is a lot easier |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | he hasn't said why he wants to delete the lines |
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| 02:09.11 | prefixed | wonderful. now to figure out why logrotate isn't working |
| 02:09.24 | prefixed | so, where's the default logrotate config file? |
| 02:09.31 | mongo | abrotman: ya but it was a good reason to remember my sed :) |
| 02:09.56 | mongo | /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 02:10.15 | prefixed | should there be other ones for httpd? |
| 02:10.15 | mongo | put addons in /etc/logrotate.d |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | it's not working because you put logs in a location logrotate doesn't know about |
| 02:10.54 | prefixed | yes, I'm aware |
| 02:11.19 | mongo | just copy one of the existing files in that and name it what ever you want, then point it at the files |
| 02:11.19 | prefixed | how to *make* it aware? |
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| 02:11.50 | prefixed | mongo could you be a little more explicit? |
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| 02:12.00 | mongo | the syntax of the files in /etc/logrotate.d is quite simple |
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| 02:12.11 | prefixed | ok, that's what you're talking about |
| 02:12.14 | prefixed | git it |
| 02:12.31 | mongo | ya just copy one to mylogrotate and edit the path etc... |
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| 02:13.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | My NAS drive location shows as smb://mybooklive/. Is there a package I can install to be able to work with the files/folders like I can on a local filesystem? |
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| 02:14.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | Work with it using the terminal commands I mean. |
| 02:14.16 | prefixed | got it |
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| 02:14.42 | prefixed | just want to let yall know that drupal outputs some crytic errors |
| 02:14.51 | prefixed | *cryptic-ass |
| 02:14.53 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: smbclient (IIRC) |
| 02:15.22 | mongo | prefixed: drupal is probably the sillies CMS in the world IMHO |
| 02:15.22 | karlpinc | prefixed: The logrotate man page is also clear on the config file format. |
| 02:15.40 | prefixed | silliest? |
| 02:16.18 | mongo | prefixed: we had to install pressflow and put varnish in the front to get any type of performance |
| 02:16.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | karlpinc: Thats already installed. May have been installed by pyneighborhood package. I installed that hoping it would allow writes but it doesnt seem to. |
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| 02:16.37 | mongo | it by default disallows the caching of anon content |
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| 02:17.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | karlpinc: What do I need to so with smbclient to get this to work? |
| 02:17.09 | prefixed | mongo it's an incredibly heft CMS |
| 02:17.14 | prefixed | *heft |
| 02:17.14 | prefixed | y |
| 02:17.39 | mongo | prefixed: who cares if it doesn't perform |
| 02:18.29 | confusid | I'm using nagios3 in debian and am trying to setup a switch. I have "Current Load" checking it but is there a way to have a simple ping and not have it check anything else? |
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| 02:19.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have a local package repository on my NAS drive but need to run like dpkg-scanpackages on ir for example. |
| 02:19.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Right now, everytime I have to copy back to the local filesystem and make changes and copy back over to the NAS. Takes way too long. |
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| 02:22.23 | mongo | LinuxGuy2009: are you mounting it in gnome? |
| 02:22.45 | mongo | if so open a terminal and try cd ~/.gvfs |
| 02:22.48 | mongo | then do an ls |
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| 02:23.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: That shows nothing. |
| 02:23.47 | mongo | LinuxGuy2009: how to you copy files from it? |
| 02:24.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: nautilus window. |
| 02:24.31 | trysten | i need a little help with make-kpkg |
| 02:24.52 | mongo | you you type "mount" from the command line do you see one called gvfs-fuse-daemon? |
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| 02:25.07 | abrotman | trysten: do we get more info ? |
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| 02:25.50 | trysten | if i run it with --append-version=-tp it says we are creating 3.3.4-tp-tp \n However, I thought the version is 3.3.4-tp |
| 02:26.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: no |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | and the full command you used is ? |
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| 02:26.25 | trysten | if i omit the --append-version=-tp , it says we are creating 3.3.4-tp but i thought it was 3.3.4 |
| 02:26.48 | trysten | abrotman: sudo make-kpkg buildpackage --append-to-version=-tp |
| 02:26.52 | mongo | LinuxGuy2009: odd, and you are currently looking at the files on the server in nautalus? |
| 02:27.27 | tehrabbitt | I just realized, wheezy is using kernel 3.0?' |
| 02:27.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: Yes I just browse on the network in nautilus and can double click a share and mount it. |
| 02:27.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: Its a mybooklive |
| 02:28.08 | ectospasm | tehrabbitt: I just installed wheezy last week, and I have 3.2.0-2 |
| 02:28.19 | mongo | OK when you ahe the mybooklive open open a terminal and look for a vfs mount |
| 02:28.29 | tehrabbitt | ectospasm: yeah, I just did a dist-upgrade and I was kinda suprised not to see 2.6 anymore lol |
| 02:28.39 | trysten | abrotman: i may be looking at it the wrong way, but it seems entirely nonsensical. |
| 02:28.43 | tehrabbitt | since when did wheezy switch over to 3.0? |
| 02:28.57 | mongo | tehrabbitt: 3.0 is old |
| 02:28.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: Im not sure what exactly that means. Like look for the local folder that its mounted to? |
| 02:29.05 | ectospasm | tehrabbitt: probably about 10 days to 2 weeks after sid did. |
| 02:29.08 | tehrabbitt | mongo: hm |
| 02:29.16 | mongo | LinuxGuy2009: yes, nautalus just does a hidden mount |
| 02:29.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | mongo: How do I find it? |
| 02:29.50 | trysten | abrotman: i think i just realized how to fix it though 1)make nconfig 2)blank CONFIG_LOCALVERSION 3) run my origional make-kpkg |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | trysten: did you try with pristeen sources? |
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| 02:30.23 | mongo | LinuxGuy2009: I don't have any smb servers here but at work I see it under my home directory under .gvfs |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: switched awhile ago .. |
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| 02:30.26 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 02:30.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 02:30.35 | trysten | abrotman: yup, that's what i'm operating on. except the .config, does that count? |
| 02:31.04 | Quakz | I try to "Setting up linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (2.6.32-41squeeze2) ..." but it keeps hanging on several of my servers. Do anyone know why? |
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| 02:32.12 | abrotman | Quakz: waiting how long? |
| 02:32.39 | Quakz | well tried to run it in a screen to see how long and kept hanging for over 24 hours |
| 02:33.38 | tehrabbitt | Hm, I wonder how the switch to 3.0 kernel will affect alot of the source out there designed for 2.6 |
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| 02:34.43 | mongo | tehrabbitt: it shouldnt' unless you write bad code |
| 02:35.13 | nutron | Fun question: is there a way to "debianize" the .run file that nvidia provides for their graphics drivers? The current version is severely broken and a beta is available for me to try. I can wait, but I don't want to hose my fs with stuff that's not in the right place. |
| 02:35.18 | mongo | it is funny that oracle use a 2.6.X number for their 3.0 kernel on OEL |
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| 02:35.24 | tehrabbitt | mongo: lol well i'm not talking my code, i'm just thinking of the various packages that specify kernel 2.6.x etc |
| 02:35.39 | mongo | tehrabbitt: if you specify 2.6 it is bad code :) |
| 02:36.04 | mongo | > should work almost all the time |
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| 02:37.56 | tehrabbitt | mongo: this is true lol |
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| 02:38.11 | mongo | well really < in requires |
| 02:38.23 | mongo | linux-image-generic (< 2.6) |
| 02:38.40 | mongo | or is that backwards heh |
| 02:39.00 | tehrabbitt | I was gonna say, how long has 3.x been around? I remember last year seeing it in sid |
| 02:39.29 | mongo | it came out july of last year |
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| 02:39.47 | mongo | it wasn't a major change like 2.2 to 2.4 though |
| 02:39.51 | mongo | it was just numbers |
| 02:40.30 | tehrabbitt | mongo: so 2.6 to 3.0 isn't a huge change? heh |
| 02:40.42 | Quakz | abrotman: well tried to run it in a screen to see how long and kept hanging for over 24 hours |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: they've diverged now .. but when it happened, no |
| 02:40.49 | dvs | tehrabbitt: 20th anniversary rename |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | Quakz: look at the processes, see what's going on |
| 02:41.59 | tehrabbitt | dvs: so basically it was just renamed? |
| 02:42.01 | Quakz | abrotman: how would I do that? |
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| 02:42.10 | dvs | tehrabbitt: yes |
| 02:42.46 | mongo | i'll be glad when the ovs datapath is in the mainline kernel |
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| 02:44.23 | mongo | I have network manager bringing up the wireless adapter with no IP and a open vswitch bridge on dhcp :) |
| 02:44.44 | mongo | now that they have support for ovs under /etc/network/interfaces it is easy |
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| 02:46.05 | tehrabbitt | mongo: ovs? |
| 02:46.22 | mongo | openvswitch, a software network switch |
| 02:47.44 | mongo | the only userland network IP I see is the endpoint for my openvpn tunnel, |
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| 02:56.00 | prefixed | hey the syntax to run a cron command every five minutes is */5 right? |
| 02:56.17 | dvs | prefixed: yes |
| 02:56.20 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:57.20 | joeoshawa | hey i am the xfce version of debian on a lenovo laptop it is a fresh install but i don't know how to set up the wireless as i have no experience with wireless networking |
| 02:57.53 | joeoshawa | lenovo 4446 |
| 02:57.56 | dvs | joeoshawa: Type "lspci -nn | grep -i net" |
| 02:58.20 | nsadmin | which translates to 0,5,10,15, ..., 55 |
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| 03:03.04 | ectospasm | joeoshawa: I dunno about XFCE, but NetworkManager is probably what you want. |
| 03:03.25 | joeoshawa | 04:00.0 network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation bcm4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [l4e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 03:03.46 | joeoshawa | have to type it out |
| 03:04.04 | dvs | joeoshawa: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 03:06.39 | Aliv3 | torrent is taking a while |
| 03:07.28 | joeoshawa | 07:00.0 Eathernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express [l4e4:1713] (rev 02) |
| 03:07.37 | joeoshawa | thanks |
| 03:07.38 | joeoshawa | one sec |
| 03:08.42 | tocka | Im trying to install sun-java6-jdk but it being told that it is not available |
| 03:08.55 | ectospasm | tocka: that would be in non-free I think |
| 03:09.00 | tocka | am i doint something wrong? im trying to get it by typing apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 03:09.16 | tocka | arghhhhh |
| 03:09.16 | tocka | .. |
| 03:09.17 | ectospasm | tocka: do you have the non-free repos set up? |
| 03:09.26 | tocka | nop :/ how to do that? |
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| 03:09.53 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell tocka about non-free |
| 03:10.27 | tocka | thanks |
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| 03:10.52 | tocka | non-free sources |
| 03:11.39 | ectospasm | tocka: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 03:13.04 | tocka | <3 thanks |
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| 03:18.40 | nsadmin | youll just be adding to the existng lines |
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| 03:19.21 | karlpinc | tocka: My understanding is that Orcale no longer allows distribution of security updates to sun-java6 -- so you're getting old and insecure stuff |
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| 03:20.41 | nsadmin | do you think it's possible oracle bought sun just for java? |
| 03:21.01 | ewag | no idea what I installed, but can someone help me track down a knocking sound? I think it may be tied to libnotify but I do not recognize a process that I can kill to make it go away. Not my hard drive. |
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| 03:21.34 | nsadmin | it's not at your door? |
| 03:21.50 | tocka | lol |
| 03:21.52 | ectospasm | nsadmin: sun had a lot of valuable assets, not only java |
| 03:22.05 | ewag | haha no. i was messing around with screen and irssi on my vps |
| 03:22.05 | ectospasm | ...like, the trademark to the iPhone (-; |
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| 03:23.14 | ewag | now i have an intermittent knocking sound not tied to anything |
| 03:23.35 | tocka | ectospasm: how can i edit that file? gedit doesnt work i guess. |
| 03:24.03 | ectospasm | tocka: you need superuser privileges. See gksudo or such. |
| 03:24.23 | ectospasm | ...assuming your user is able to sudo... |
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| 03:24.29 | tocka | he is! |
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| 03:29.45 | rypervenche | What's the difference between "sudo su -" and "sudo -i" ? |
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| 03:30.15 | tocka | ectospasm my sources.list file looks like this http://pastebin.com/8fUHeEUi |
| 03:30.16 | nsadmin | the rhythm of pronounciation? |
| 03:30.21 | tocka | but still im not getting anything |
| 03:30.47 | tocka | Basically why I need java6-jdk is to install grails and groovy |
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| 03:31.34 | ectospasm | rypervenche: one calls su in addition to sudo, the other doesn't. |
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| 03:31.46 | nsadmin | sudo su seems redundant |
| 03:31.57 | ectospasm | rypervenche: they both achieve the same end, so it's a matter of taste, really. |
| 03:32.05 | nsadmin | sudo bash may be what you want? |
| 03:32.06 | ectospasm | nsadmin: I agree, sudo -i is cleaner |
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| 03:32.32 | LtL | tocka: that's correct, now run, apt-get update |
| 03:32.41 | tocka | oh |
| 03:33.05 | ewag | i checked again. no one at my door |
| 03:33.22 | tocka | LtL thanks :) it helped |
| 03:33.33 | LtL | tocka: welcome |
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| 03:34.51 | rypervenche | Thanks, I'll start using that from now on then. |
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| 03:35.34 | nsadmin | minimizing the risk of making this about debian/ubuntu, you should decide if you want sudo at all (possibly the fact you have it means you've already made that decision since you would have had to install sudo to get it at all) |
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| 03:38.23 | nsadmin | rypervenche, that sound right to you? |
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| 03:39.31 | rypervenche | nsadmin: I have no password set for root, so I only use sudo. |
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| 03:39.53 | nsadmin | how did you accomplish that :) |
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| 03:40.36 | rypervenche | passwd -d root |
| 03:40.48 | chris062689 | If I want to install XFCE, and pass it the desktop=xfce argument, can I just upgrade straight to sid from there without any major(ish) problems? Has 4.10 hit Sid yet? |
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| 03:41.06 | nsadmin | oh, I wasn't aware of -d :) |
| 03:41.29 | nsadmin | , versions xfce |
| 03:41.30 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 03:41.36 | nsadmin | , versions xfce-core |
| 03:41.37 | judd | No package named 'xfce-core' was found in i386. |
| 03:41.48 | nsadmin | gives up |
| 03:41.51 | LtL | , versions xfce4 |
| 03:41.52 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 03:42.01 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
| 03:42.04 | LtL | np |
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| 03:43.29 | chris062689 | Ah |
| 03:43.35 | chris062689 | So it's not in Sid yet :( |
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| 03:44.12 | nsadmin | chris062689, in service: /msg dpkg search, /msg dpkg version, /mng judd kernels |
| 03:44.17 | rypervenche | chris062689: I wouldn't move to sid if I were you. |
| 03:45.03 | nsadmin | it'd take awhile, but you -could- build 4.10 on your debian |
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| 03:45.45 | nsadmin | (long process, you'll be learning a LOT, and solving a significant number of local problems |
| 03:45.52 | nsadmin | ) |
| 03:46.12 | chris062689 | So you guys would actually prefer testing? |
| 03:46.22 | chris062689 | How long do packages usually take going downstream to testing? |
| 03:46.28 | nsadmin | well I don't, I run stable |
| 03:46.44 | chris062689 | But stable is so out of date :P |
| 03:46.55 | nsadmin | 2 or 3 weeks of no bugs |
| 03:47.06 | nsadmin | hey, I can use it :) |
| 03:47.07 | chris062689 | I thought stable generally was a lot more outdated than that? |
| 03:47.12 | chris062689 | In terms of new XFCE versions. |
| 03:47.19 | dvs | I thought it was 2 to 10 days without bugs |
| 03:47.24 | nsadmin | obviously that is the case |
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| 03:48.06 | nsadmin | dvs, oh... 2 days?! wow :) |
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| 03:49.04 | nsadmin | considers building xfce-4.10 on stable |
| 03:49.15 | chris062689 | Hahaha |
| 03:49.19 | chris062689 | There's always third-party repo's right? |
| 03:49.40 | nsadmin | I'd just go for the source and start in |
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| 03:51.34 | nsadmin | personally that is :) |
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| 03:52.14 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, Hey, just saw your comment about 4.10. I say, "go for it!" |
| 03:52.21 | nsadmin | oulldn't necessarily recommend it to my ememy's dog... |
| 03:52.26 | nsadmin | or my dog's enemy... |
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| 03:53.34 | nsadmin | johnfg_, I suppose I could build the packages,,, at the same time, I assume it's in experimental because the packaging isn'nt working completely |
| 03:54.21 | nsadmin | but maybe a pure source build |
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| 03:56.18 | nsadmin | I want to install debian on this new old machine I just got for free (i386 w/ 512 mb ram and 40ghd), I have this huge hd that can do usb or esata, it;s already got lots of partitions... how would I go about booting the installer? |
| 03:56.33 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure no primary partitions left |
| 03:56.38 | rypervenche | chris062689: I use testing on my laptop, but it breaks from time to time. |
| 03:57.30 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, Do you want to save anything that might be left on the old hard drive? |
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| 03:58.41 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, I did something very similar with an old, old machine at our church. I used parted-magic, then was able to install a new system, np. |
| 03:58.42 | nsadmin | I assume it's blank; it doesn't boot |
| 03:58.50 | ale666lnx | Hi friends |
| 03:59.04 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, mebbe try the parted magic route. |
| 03:59.29 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, Would it not boot an install cd/dvd? |
| 03:59.38 | johnfg_ | You may have to tweak the bios. |
| 03:59.44 | nsadmin | can't burn right now |
| 03:59.58 | nsadmin | yeah, I checked out the bios |
| 04:00.10 | nsadmin | \it works :) that;s about all I know right now |
| 04:00.32 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, you don't have parted magic on a cd? |
| 04:00.43 | nsadmin | I intend to put my router on it |
| 04:00.54 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 04:01.56 | nsadmin | I have a source for inexpensive hardware, and I might get a cd enclosure that does usb |
| 04:02.16 | nsadmin | I have a burner... I could also try replacing its psu |
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| 04:02.29 | johnfg_ | nsadmin, Yeah, that old system I installed on won't boot from a usb stick. |
| 04:02.41 | nsadmin | brb |
| 04:03.01 | tocka | JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly <= Im getting this error when I try to execute any kind of grails command |
| 04:03.19 | tocka | how and to what the JAVA_HOME should be changed? |
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| 04:05.00 | ewag | you can set java_home in your path i think |
| 04:05.38 | tocka | Im trying to change it by typing export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 04:05.42 | tocka | But still its the same thing |
| 04:06.24 | ewag | it needs to point to hte java directory under that |
| 04:06.40 | ewag | mine: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 04:06.51 | tocka | lets try :] |
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| 04:08.16 | tocka | nop |
| 04:08.21 | tocka | xm |
| 04:08.36 | nsadmin | you point your JAVA_HOME at your java executable? and that works? :) |
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| 04:08.48 | ewag | if you added it your profile, source it |
| 04:09.33 | nsadmin | good point |
| 04:09.59 | tocka | ewag, i just started using ubuntu, could you tell me how to do that? |
| 04:10.40 | sauvin | You're asking about ubuntu stuff in a debian channel? |
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| 04:11.15 | tocka | sorry.. i meant ubuntu |
| 04:11.16 | tehrabbitt | sauvin: lol it happens all the time |
| 04:11.29 | ewag | sure. open a terminal and type "source .bash_profile" |
| 04:11.32 | nsadmin | tocka, try point it at the jre dir |
| 04:11.38 | ewag | I assume you are using bash |
| 04:11.42 | tocka | yep |
| 04:12.42 | nsadmin | try this |
| 04:12.47 | nsadmin | export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre |
| 04:14.08 | nsadmin | always makes the mistake of assuming people would always respond... |
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| 04:14.28 | tocka | nsadmin thank you :) |
| 04:14.33 | tocka | it works |
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| 04:19.08 | nsadmin | tocka, if you look in that dir, you should see things like bin, lib, etc maybe, possibly others |
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| 04:22.56 | tocka | nsadmin but how did you know what path to add? |
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| 04:24.11 | nsadmin | well first you said what you tried already... then someone else said "should be one level down", then someone else said "try this path", and I combined all that with prev experience |
| 04:24.50 | nsadmin | prev exp including what I said just before that |
| 04:25.54 | nsadmin | one very common "home" thing is to point at a dir that has (subset of) bin, lib, etc, doc, man |
| 04:26.08 | tocka | thanks again, I will look into that |
| 04:26.09 | tocka | :) |
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| 04:26.26 | nsadmin | look at your current JAVA_HOME dir |
| 04:26.43 | nsadmin | ls $JAVA_HOME |
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| 04:27.30 | nsadmin | , versions glib |
| 04:27.31 | judd | No package named 'glib' was found in i386. |
| 04:27.44 | nsadmin | , versions glib2 |
| 04:27.45 | judd | No package named 'glib2' was found in i386. |
| 04:27.54 | nsadmin | , versions libglib |
| 04:27.55 | judd | No package named 'libglib' was found in i386. |
| 04:27.59 | nsadmin | argh! |
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| 04:29.32 | trysten | laughs |
| 04:29.47 | nsadmin | , names glib* |
| 04:29.49 | judd | Search for glib* in squeeze/i386: glibc-doc 2.11.3-2; glibc-doc-reference 2.11.1-2 (non-free) |
| 04:30.22 | nsadmin | , names *glib* |
| 04:30.25 | judd | Search for *glib* in squeeze/i386: cutter-glib-support 1.1.3-1; eglibc-source 2.11.3-2; gir1.0-dbusmenu-glib-0.2 0.3.7-1; gir1.0-glib-2.0 0.6.14-1+b1; gir1.0-json-glib-1.0 0.10.2-2; gir1.0-telepathyglib-0.12 0.11.11-1; glibc-doc 2.11.3-2; glibc-doc-reference 2.11.1-2 (non-free); guile-gnome2-glib 2.16.1-4; libavahi-glib1 0.6.27-2+squeeze1; libavahi-glib-dev 0.6.27-2+squeeze1; |
| 04:30.27 | judd | libcglib-java 2.2+dfsg-2; libcglib-java-doc 2.2+dfsg-2; libdbus-glib-1-2 0.88-2.1; libdbus-glib-1-2-dbg 0.88-2.1; libdbus-glib-1-dev 0.88-2.1; libdbus-glib-1-doc 0.88-2.1; libdbusmenu-glib1 0.3.7-1; libdbusmenu-glib-dev 0.3.7-1; libdbusmenu-glib-doc 0.3.7-1; libdesktop-agnostic-fdo-glib 0.3.90-2+b1; libframeworkd-glib-20100512 0.1+git20100512-1; libframeworkd-glib-20100512-dbg (1 more message) |
| 04:31.21 | nsadmin | , more |
| 04:31.22 | judd | 0 |
| 04:32.40 | nsadmin | , versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 04:32.43 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; wheezy: 2.32.0-4; sid: 2.32.2-1 |
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| 04:33.26 | nsadmin | very cool :) maybe I can build xfce-4.10 |
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| 04:39.20 | nsadmin | , versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 04:39.21 | judd | Package: libgtk2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; sid: 2.24.10-1; wheezy: 2.24.10-1 |
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| 04:40.00 | dizzylizzy | I figured out why setting capslock to act as control doesn't work by every possible normal means on my computer. It's because it's an Apple keyboard, and keyboards from Apple don't operate like every other freaking keyboard when it comes to capslock :-/ |
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| 04:42.34 | tocka | nsadmin maybe im going to ask a stupid question but still, why do you prefer debian rather then ubuntu? |
| 04:44.09 | anick | PENIS. |
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| 04:44.20 | anick | !sex |
| 04:44.20 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 04:44.23 | nsadmin | I installed it before ubuntu existed |
| 04:45.04 | nsadmin | anick, hi, this is a support channel. there is #defocus for things that are off topic to debian |
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| 04:47.03 | tocka | nsadmin i need to point JAVA_HOME not to jre but to jdk |
| 04:47.12 | anick | nsadmin: your mom was a support channel, last night. there is #nsadminsmom for debian support. |
| 04:47.15 | tocka | so I would just need to change the last folder? |
| 04:47.21 | tocka | like export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jdk ? |
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| 04:48.23 | nsadmin | tocka, and when ubuntu first started, their thing was to take a bunch of stuff from debian unstable and work that into a release in exactly 6 months |
| 04:48.50 | nsadmin | tocka, check it out... starting with the question, do you have such a dir |
| 04:49.16 | tocka | good idea |
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| 04:49.52 | tocka | nsadmin im asking about ubuntu and debian because its my first time using it to this extent and im kind of enjoying my self :D |
| 04:50.26 | anick | nsadmin: VAGINA. |
| 04:50.49 | nsadmin | all: consider: /ignore *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.76.8.56 |
| 04:51.12 | nsadmin | !ops anick troll |
| 04:51.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: anick troll |
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| 04:52.16 | anick | nsadmin: i trolled your mom last night. |
| 04:52.24 | kasper | lol |
| 04:52.27 | nsadmin | oops, got it wrong, actually consider: /ignore *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.76.8.56 all |
| 04:52.38 | kasper | is his mom hot? |
| 04:52.43 | oops | ok nsadmin |
| 04:52.49 | anick | kasper: you bet. |
| 04:53.02 | nsadmin | oops! oops! |
| 04:53.20 | anick | nsadmin: i oopsed your mom's oops last night. |
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| 04:57.24 | tocka | so jdk folder doesnt exist, but when i try to install java6-jdk it says thats its already installed.. wtf? maybe its in some other dir? |
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| 04:58.21 | anick | tharkun: http://sourmath.com/ |
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| 04:59.20 | anick | anyone who would like to see pics of me oops'ing nsadmin's mom, please refer to http://www.sourmath.com/ |
| 04:59.27 | Strav` | Hi. Anyone else here plagued by iwlwifi on kernel 3.2? (http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2012/03/msg00625.html) This wifi instability is getting me crazy. |
| 04:59.53 | fatmandown | heya. I just installed 6.0.4 on my inspiron 14R and i'm having trouble with the internet. can anyone give me some help? |
| 04:59.53 | anick | Strav`: I got plagued by nsadmin's mom last night. |
| 05:00.02 | raptor67682 | debian for blinds. I would like to know if it is possible to code jstest/jsevent to play a sound a keyboard key press ? |
| 05:00.17 | anick | fatmandown: heya. i just installed your mom on 6.0.4 last night. |
| 05:00.29 | anick | raptor67682: debian for nsadmin's mom last night. |
| 05:00.33 | kasper | don't fall in love with someone's mom. this is sick |
| 05:00.52 | anick | kasper: i fell in love wit your mom last night. http://sourmath.com/ |
| 05:01.24 | anick | !ops anick troll |
| 05:01.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: anick complains about: anick troll |
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| 05:01.29 | tocka | nvm, fixed it |
| 05:01.43 | Strav` | yea. Feel like it's getting late for the kids. |
| 05:01.49 | anick | tocka: nvm, fixed your mom last night. |
| 05:01.58 | pbase | can anyone help me with this - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79284? |
| 05:02.15 | anick | pbase: sure. 1 sec. |
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| 05:03.56 | Strav` | anick, little attention seeking whore, just open a pastebin and place all your shit there, I swear I'm going to read all you need to say. |
| 05:06.02 | pbase | How do I report an ugly user who is trying to get traffic to a silly website but misdirecting me ? |
| 05:06.30 | anick | pbase: same way i reported your mom last night. |
| 05:06.49 | pbase | !report |
| 05:07.22 | anick | !pbase |
| 05:07.30 | anick | !pbase's mom |
| 05:07.52 | anick | pbase: www.sourmath.com |
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| 05:09.37 | pbase | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: pbase complains about: anick 'Misbehaving and Rude' |
| 05:10.14 | anick | !ops pbase 'sexy mom, certainly misbehaving and rude' |
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| 05:25.44 | raptor67682 | how to play a avi on using SDL non-X11 into the tty console? |
| 05:25.49 | raptor67682 | mplayer? |
| 05:26.28 | nsadmin | how would you get graphics into a text screen? |
| 05:27.50 | sauvin | raptor67682, do you know how to list the outputs your mplayer supports? |
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| 05:33.34 | tocka | how to uninstal programs? |
| 05:33.38 | tocka | using terminal |
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| 05:36.07 | nsadmin | aptitude remove <package> |
| 05:36.46 | nsadmin | it's not "programs" you are removing, but "packages", which contain programs (and which would be removed with the package) |
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| 05:49.40 | alkisg | Hi, using testing, how can I add an IRC account in empathy? I don't see such an option, while it was there in Ubuntu... Am I missing some package? |
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| 05:55.38 | alkisg_debian | ...OK I was missing the telepathy-idle package... wouldn't it be better to have it preinstalled, as now Debian doesn't have an IRC client in the default installation? |
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| 05:58.42 | nsadmin | if by "default installation" you mean the minimal install, no, no irc client. |
| 05:59.22 | nsadmin | and no postgres, games, emacs, xwindows or TeX |
| 05:59.48 | nsadmin | , versions intltool |
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| 05:59.50 | judd | Package: intltool on i386 -- lenny: 0.40.0-1; squeeze: 0.41.1-1; sid: 0.50.2-2; wheezy: 0.50.2-2 |
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| 06:01.26 | alkisg_debian | nsadmin: no, default desktop installation, and what I propose is to put it in empathy's Recommends: |
| 06:02.00 | alkisg_debian | It's not even in Suggests:, while telepathy-haze at least is |
| 06:02.25 | nsadmin | alkisg_debian, just install it :) |
| 06:02.53 | alkisg_debian | Well sure I'm trying to make the default debian installation better, I don't think my intentions are wrong :) |
| 06:03.11 | nsadmin | there is not a "default debian install" |
| 06:03.29 | oops | I have got "default: Internal Mic: 0" and "default: Internal Mic: 1" in Audacity. Why two internal mics? |
| 06:03.37 | oops | I can set either of them and record my voice. |
| 06:03.59 | alkisg_debian | nsadmin: the default desktop gnome installation, or however else it's called, since it has empathy I think it should have telepathy-idle too |
| 06:04.16 | nsadmin | other than the minimal, which has just enough to edit files, fix core problems (like repair filesystems) and install more packages |
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| 06:04.49 | nsadmin | alkisg_debian, for yourself? |
| 06:04.53 | alkisg_debian | I.e. if I were to file a bug, it would be against the empathy package of course, not against some metapackage |
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| 06:05.37 | nsadmin | so you're thinking for other users |
| 06:05.46 | alkisg_debian | nsadmin: you don't think it's a good thing for empathy to recommend telepathy-idle? Or you're saying something else and I'm not getting it? |
| 06:05.49 | alkisg_debian | Yes |
| 06:06.13 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with either |
| 06:06.37 | alkisg_debian | We're using Ubuntu in about 300 schools here and I want to see if we can replace it with Debian without many problems |
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| 06:07.10 | alkisg_debian | First one was that the gnome font doesn't have greek glyphs, I filed an upstream bug for that, now I'm looking at other minor problems... |
| 06:07.20 | nsadmin | no one would be able to make this change for stable, it's not anywhere near a severe enough situation (it's not a security problem and doesn't affect other packages) |
| 06:07.44 | alkisg_debian | I'm not talking about stable; I'm talking in general, in future empathy package versions |
| 06:08.29 | nsadmin | alkisg_debian, if the population you actually want to serve is that of the school system, consider making a package install script |
| 06:09.07 | nsadmin | (somehow, an irc client would not be anywhere near my list of priorities for a school/student machine) |
| 06:09.26 | alkisg_debian | I do have such scripts and packages and repositories for Ubuntu currently. An IRC client is very needed for supporting 300 schools. |
| 06:10.03 | nsadmin | ok. WHat has you interested in debian at the moment? |
| 06:10.46 | nsadmin | perhaps, when you compare the two, the thing you like on the debian side is _____) |
| 06:11.23 | nsadmin | also look into fai |
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| 06:12.45 | alkisg_debian | Ubuntu is focusing too much on the desktop user, while schools have multi-user installations |
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| 06:13.07 | alkisg_debian | So we don't want some "innovations" like unity or dnsmasq as a local resolver etc |
| 06:13.47 | alkisg_debian | We can work around them of course; I'm just looking if the "scripts" we need to do are smaller/easier on debian than on current ubuntu versions |
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| 06:15.29 | nsadmin | alkisg_debian, unity never worked for me... I guess I don't have a 3d enough card or driver |
| 06:15.53 | alkisg_debian | Right, schools also have old hardware incapable of running unity properly (and gnome-shell for the matter, but gnome-fallback works fine) |
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| 06:20.23 | alkisg_debian | Another "problem"... for installing flashplugin-nonfree, a user needs to add the contrib repository... is there a graphical way to do that? |
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| 06:21.49 | alkisg_debian | Ouch, and flash doesn't work with pulseaudio by default, it needs a per-user configuration file |
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| 06:24.35 | Funkadelic | How can I move the 15 newest files in a directory? I'd use something like mv `ls -tr |tail -n 15` but I hear ls isn't good for scripting |
| 06:24.41 | nsadmin | why would the user have to do that? aren't you installing all the boxes? |
| 06:25.07 | alkisg_debian | nsadmin: pulseaudio is required for remote sound which is used in LTSP thin clients |
| 06:25.09 | nsadmin | well, what if the filenames have spaces |
| 06:25.39 | Funkadelic | nobody knows how to do this, but it seems like such a simple task |
| 06:26.13 | civillian | Funkadelic: use find |
| 06:26.34 | Funkadelic | find * -prune ... then what? |
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| 06:26.50 | civillian | then man find |
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| 06:27.15 | alkisg_debian | doesn't see why ls -tr | tail -n 15 won't work with spaces |
| 06:27.40 | alkisg_debian | E.g. ls -tr | tail -n 15 | while read -r filename; do ... |
| 06:27.46 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, man find, man ls, man head (or tail) |
| 06:28.08 | Funkadelic | what should I be searching the manuals for? I don't even know where to start |
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| 06:28.44 | nsadmin | start with the task you want to perform |
| 06:29.22 | nsadmin | is is probably a better tool unless you also want recursion |
| 06:29.45 | Funkadelic | but ls doesn't handle certain characters in filenames, does it? |
| 06:29.58 | alkisg_debian | Where did you hear that? |
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| 06:30.15 | Funkadelic | internet |
| 06:30.20 | Funkadelic | :o |
| 06:30.30 | alkisg_debian | The tail part won't work with files that contain newlines |
| 06:30.37 | alkisg_debian | But that's unrelated to ls vs find |
| 06:30.37 | tocka | everytime i restart the machine all the export values dissapear, whats the problem? :// |
| 06:30.40 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, whenever someone comes in here and asks "I want to do X" and no one answers and then says "don't people know how to do this? it should be simple" I always think they're not familiar with unix/linux |
| 06:31.03 | nsadmin | tocka, you didn't put em in a file |
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| 06:31.26 | tocka | nsadmin so in what file should i put them? I thought by writing this its being saved in a file already :o |
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| 06:31.51 | Funkadelic | nsadmin familiarity is a scale, not black and white |
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| 06:33.28 | nsadmin | that may be, and normally when someone comes in like that, it's usually because their familiarity is all the way to the left of the scale... if that were not the case, they'd say something about what they tried, what they expected and what happened instead |
| 06:34.16 | nsadmin | in short, they would (as a side effect) provide some evidence of familiarity |
| 06:34.30 | Funkadelic | nsadmin: that makes sense |
| 06:34.59 | nsadmin | I've been around a lot of years, and I |
| 06:35.07 | nsadmin | have probably seen every form of htat |
| 06:35.41 | Funkadelic | I was around for a lot of years like yourself... until I took an arrow to the knee |
| 06:35.49 | Funkadelic | :P |
| 06:36.20 | nsadmin | and my question is -always- what have you done in support of your own knowledge and/or in support of what you're trying to do |
| 06:36.35 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, I've seen every form of that too |
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| 06:37.12 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: if you really want to handle filenames with newlines, "tail" is a problem, you'd need to use sed instead or implement a custom tail in a script. Filenames with spaces have no problem with ls. |
| 06:37.18 | Funkadelic | Hehe you've done the rounds on the internet I see. :) Well, now I know that ls could be used for scripting. I had always heard it's bad for that |
| 06:37.26 | alkisg_debian | But I've yet to see any filenames with newlines in my disk |
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| 06:38.24 | nsadmin | actually that's not true... wounded knee is a new one... but I have seen most forms of "on this other channel, (it's empty/noone talks/I just got kickbanned/etc) therefore I can't get help there" |
| 06:38.27 | Funkadelic | alkisg_debian: I don't think I've ever seen a filename with newlines either. I have some non-latin characters though. Does everything play nice with those? |
| 06:38.34 | nsadmin | etc etc so on so on |
| 06:38.36 | alkisg_debian | Yup |
| 06:38.42 | nsadmin | bla lather rince repeat |
| 06:39.14 | alkisg_debian | As long as you use `read -r` (or similar) after the tail part everything should be fine |
| 06:39.15 | Funkadelic | nsadmin: i'm sure you've seen your share of memes though, like that one |
| 06:39.41 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, you'd have to qupte those (and therefore know the shell quoting rules) |
| 06:40.04 | alkisg_debian | (and remove spaces from IFS, to avoid breaking leading or trailing spaces in the filenames) |
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| 06:40.35 | nsadmin | really? your filenames contain spaces AND newlines? |
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| 06:41.18 | Funkadelic | nsadmin: no newlines here. I had just heard that ls isn't recommended for scripting, but I never questioned why |
| 06:41.28 | Funkadelic | so in this case it should be find |
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| 06:41.32 | Funkadelic | fine* |
| 06:41.43 | nsadmin | and no spaces? |
| 06:41.55 | Funkadelic | many of the files do have spaces |
| 06:42.08 | alkisg_debian | echo ' this is a filename ' | while { IFS= read -r filename; }; do echo .$filename.; done |
| 06:42.23 | alkisg_debian | This takes care of leading/trailing spaces too |
| 06:42.40 | nsadmin | then some form of knowing where the file begins and ends, and knowing how to do that is in your future |
| 06:43.18 | arvind_khadri | Funkadelic, ls is bad for because the output is formatted for humans, so it will cause errors is scripts :) |
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| 06:43.51 | Funkadelic | arvind_khadri: Oh those darn humans again. I can't wait to get rid of them :P |
| 06:44.08 | arvind_khadri | Funkadelic, :) |
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| 06:45.06 | nsadmin | seen most forms of that too... Steven Seagal, Bruce Lee, Kill All Humans, etc, blah, lather, rince, repeat |
| 06:46.04 | Funkadelic | alkisg_debian What should that command do? I tried it and I just got . this is a filename . |
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| 06:47.13 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: it shows that read -r preserves the leading and trailing (and embedded) spaces in filenames |
| 06:47.40 | alkisg_debian | So you can use that in your loop |
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| 06:47.52 | alkisg_debian | (and then call mv inside the loop) |
| 06:48.02 | muskatnuss | monring |
| 06:48.06 | muskatnuss | *morning |
| 06:48.09 | tocka | so guys, where and how should I save the export lines that they would stay after the machine restarts |
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| 06:48.43 | prince_jammys | environment variables? in your profile. |
| 06:48.51 | Funkadelic | Oh I got it alkisg_debian |
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| 06:49.07 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: ls -tr | tail -n 15 | while { IFS= read -r filename; }; do mv "$filename" "someotherdir/"; done |
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| 06:50.34 | tocka | prince_jammys whats the file name? :/ |
| 06:50.40 | alkisg_debian | (or you could use xargs instead of the loop, whatever's easiest for you) |
| 06:50.44 | nsadmin | tocka, it's really for when your user logs in, and then runs a shell, right? |
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| 06:50.59 | tocka | yeah, i guess so |
| 06:51.02 | Funkadelic | What would happen if I don't use that alkisg_debian? I can't really test this on these files because I can't mess up |
| 06:51.08 | prince_jammys | tocka: there are a few possibilities: .profile, .bash_profile .. |
| 06:51.21 | prince_jammys | see if you have one of those. |
| 06:51.33 | nsadmin | ok, so, man bash is really long (annoyingly so)... but there is a FILES section you should find and read now |
| 06:51.44 | tocka | Ok |
| 06:51.46 | tocka | thank you both |
| 06:51.56 | nsadmin | it will tell you what bash reads when and under what conditions |
| 06:52.06 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: you can put an "echo" in front of "mv" to see the commands that would be ran, before actually running them |
| 06:52.07 | prince_jammys | INVOCATION section of man bash. |
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| 06:52.35 | Funkadelic | like this? echo `whole command here` |
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| 06:52.45 | prince_jammys | no ` ` |
| 06:52.52 | prince_jammys | (or you'll run it!) |
| 06:53.18 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: ls -tr | tail -n 15 | while { IFS= read -r filename; }; do echo mv "$filename" "someotherdir/"; done |
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| 06:54.25 | nsadmin | don't you only want files? |
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| 06:55.38 | Funkadelic | folders to |
| 06:55.44 | Funkadelic | folders and files |
| 06:56.09 | Funkadelic | What does that IFS part mean, in layman's terms? |
| 06:56.38 | prince_jammys | list of characters used by bash to split things into words. |
| 06:56.54 | prince_jammys | Internal Field Separator. |
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| 06:57.14 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: IFS tells bash which characters separate variables, so by default if you read -r filename, and filename contains " leading and trailing spaces ", then filename would be "leading and trailing spaces" |
| 06:57.47 | alkisg_debian | Filenames with leading and trailing spaces should be rare too, but it doesn't hurt to handle them |
| 06:58.43 | prince_jammys | less rare might be filenames that start with a dash |
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| 06:59.27 | prince_jammys | mv -- "$foo" blah/ |
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| 06:59.37 | Funkadelic | Huh. I don't really know what that whole section does, inside the { }. Maybe I'm just tired |
| 06:59.38 | alkisg_debian | prince_jammys: good point, so mv -- "$filename" "somedir/" ...yeah that ^ |
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| 07:00.05 | Funkadelic | is $filename a variable? |
| 07:00.17 | alkisg_debian | Yes, one that you can reuse inside the loop in the mv command |
| 07:00.28 | nsadmin | value of. |
| 07:00.30 | alkisg_debian | And it will contain the filename |
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| 07:01.12 | Funkadelic | what is creating that variable? |
| 07:01.19 | alkisg_debian | The read part |
| 07:01.26 | alkisg_debian | It's reading the output of tail, line by line |
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| 07:01.38 | Torpies | "as a circumcised man there are times when i would like nothing better then to hunt down the piece of shit doctor who circumcised me as a infant and to castrate the son of a bitch's cock and balls off his body with my teeth." |
| 07:02.20 | Funkadelic | yum |
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| 07:03.38 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, (and this is actually used in scripts) a var like foo can be set and/or fed to another program (as the NAME of the var), and you get the value by putting a $ like $foo |
| 07:04.02 | Torpies | "i told dad that he had better hope and pray that i never learn the name of the doctor who circumcised me because if i ever do i will hunt that fucker doctor to the ends of the earth and castrate the son of a bitch with a knife " |
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| 07:04.08 | Funkadelic | Ok, I think I remember that nsadmin |
| 07:04.14 | alkisg_debian | Funkadelic: ok ignore the loop, here's a version that uses xargs, maybe it's easier for you to understand it: |
| 07:04.16 | alkisg_debian | ls -tr | tail -n 15 | xargs -I {} echo mv -- {} otherdir/ |
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| 07:04.43 | jwilliams_ | after executing ulimit -s, will that command (ulimit -a) affect the process that is already running? |
| 07:04.43 | alkisg_debian | The -I {} part means "in the command I specify, wherever you see {}, put the filename there" |
| 07:04.51 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, other languages like that, include tcl, other shells. other languages similar, lisp/scheme |
| 07:04.57 | jwilliams_ | or i need to restart so the process will take effect? |
| 07:05.16 | Funkadelic | Oh, then could we assign that {} part to any character? |
| 07:05.21 | alkisg_debian | Yup |
| 07:05.36 | alkisg_debian | I just used that {} because it's used in `find` |
| 07:05.57 | Funkadelic | like could we say xargs -I lol and whenever the characters lol appear, that variable would be put there? |
| 07:06.02 | alkisg_debian | Yes |
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| 07:06.06 | Funkadelic | ok |
| 07:06.37 | Funkadelic | what does the -- do? |
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| 07:07.14 | alkisg_debian | As prince_jammys correctly suggested, a filename may start with -, e.g. -this is a test |
| 07:07.29 | nsadmin | in most unix commands, -- means "no more -o or --options" |
| 07:07.33 | alkisg_debian | If you try to run `mv "-this is a test" othername`, it's a syntax error, because mv thinks it's an option |
| 07:07.43 | alkisg_debian | So -- tells mv that it isn't an option but a filename |
| 07:07.43 | Funkadelic | nsadmin I didn't know that. now I get it |
| 07:07.44 | Torpies | "at the very least i would be willing to break every single bone and joint in each finger the hands and the wrists of the doctors person where their hands were concerned" |
| 07:07.45 | Torpies | "at the absolute worst i would castrate the fucker with my teeth." |
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| 07:08.25 | nsadmin | Funkadelic, so then, even if something starts with a - it's not interpreted as a switch |
| 07:08.38 | nsadmin | (to the right of the --) |
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| 07:09.05 | Funkadelic | Oooh yes, the understandingness is so overwhelming :D |
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| 07:10.17 | nsadmin | then you can always pause, breathe, relax between overwhelmingnessings |
| 07:10.42 | Magiobiwan | S |
| 07:10.45 | Funkadelic | Now I want to understand loops. ls -tr | tail -n 15 | while { IFS= read -r filename; }; do echo mv "$filename" "someotherdir/"; done |
| 07:10.50 | Magiobiwan | What's going on here? |
| 07:11.21 | Funkadelic | in that one, is IFS already defined by the OS or something, or is it a variable we are assigning? |
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| 07:11.40 | prince_jammys | Funkadelic: join #bash, read FAQ 1 in the channel topic. |
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| 07:11.42 | Funkadelic | and are the { } related to how we were using them before? |
| 07:11.49 | Matrixiumn | Hello |
| 07:11.54 | prince_jammys | IFS is used by bash. the { } aren't necessary there. |
| 07:12.37 | nsadmin | { IFS= read -r filename; } should evaluate (side effect) as success or failure, and success makes the world ^W loop go rount |
| 07:13.07 | alkisg_debian | prince_jammys: they are necessary to prevent permanately changing IFS |
| 07:13.14 | prince_jammys | no |
| 07:13.19 | alkisg_debian | Ah let me try... |
| 07:13.22 | alkisg_debian | Sorry |
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| 07:13.43 | alkisg_debian | prince_jammys: right again, sorry |
| 07:13.53 | prince_jammys | IFS=; read -r filename would (with semicolon), but it also would with { } |
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| 07:20.32 | Torpies | www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=VpYfE3tiCLE&vq=large |
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| 07:21.33 | camacio | ciao |
| 07:21.38 | camacio | !list |
| 07:21.39 | dpkg | camacio: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 07:22.01 | nsadmin | isn't it interesting how dpkg knows you're italian? |
| 07:22.08 | dax | giggles |
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| 07:22.26 | VanDerSp1r | http://pastebin.com/kpYiz6jc These are my current |
| 07:22.27 | VanDerSp1r | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.27 | VanDerSp1r | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.28 | VanDerSp1r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.31 | VanDerSp1r | http://pastebin.com/kpYiz6jc These are my current |
| 07:23.32 | VanDerSp1r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.32 | VanDerSp1r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.55 | prince_jammys | VanDerSp1r: we saw it. |
| 07:23.55 | VanDerSp1r | How is that paste function supposed to be used? |
| 07:23.56 | nsadmin | so, stop a moment, |
| 07:24.12 | VanDerSp1r | Yeah. I thought I was just kicked immediatly |
| 07:24.20 | cedr | VanDerSp1r: try putting your question on one line next time. :p |
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| 07:24.41 | VanDerSp1r | Takes forever to type all in again |
| 07:24.48 | nsadmin | actually, if it weren't for the newlines, you put a paste and a small description, that part I like |
| 07:24.51 | VanDerSp1r | I just wanted to copy paste it |
| 07:25.03 | cedr | you could remove the newlines? |
| 07:25.16 | nsadmin | and those wild ass tabs |
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| 07:26.10 | VanDerSp1r | Well. I copied it from another irssi window, so whenever I paste it with right click, it paste when there's a next line |
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| 07:27.05 | nsadmin | ok, we won't dwell on it, so you say you can send but not receive? |
| 07:27.12 | VanDerSp1r | Uh huh |
| 07:27.25 | VanDerSp1r | Well. I do not know exactly if it sends the mail |
| 07:27.34 | VanDerSp1r | I can just see in the syslog that it runs the service |
| 07:27.34 | nsadmin | ok, and presumably your exim should receive it? |
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| 07:28.08 | VanDerSp1r | Well. It should send via exim and then I should receive in my outlook |
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| 07:29.03 | nsadmin | so you're talking about a single mail sent out from debian and received (at other end, another email address) in windows/outlook? |
| 07:29.17 | VanDerSp1r | Yes. |
| 07:29.55 | VanDerSp1r | But I've set it up to run every 5th minute for testing, so I bet I should get a mail every 5th minute |
| 07:30.26 | nsadmin | and, the exim is?/is not? on the internet with its own static IP and domain, setup on both reverse and forward dns? |
| 07:31.31 | VanDerSp1r | The exim sends through a mail server we got in-house. |
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| 07:31.37 | VanDerSp1r | I forgot the exact term |
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| 07:32.32 | nsadmin | your smarthost? |
| 07:32.37 | VanDerSp1r | Yeah |
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| 07:33.11 | VanDerSp1r | But I can use the "mail to [address]" command and recieve the mail, so therefor I know the mail is set up correctly |
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| 07:33.21 | nsadmin | there are a lot of different shapes available... |
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| 07:34.23 | nsadmin | for example, a common one, is you have a smarthost and you send and receive using it |
| 07:34.35 | nsadmin | so... check your mail on the linux box :) |
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| 07:36.20 | VanDerSp1r | Also, my current mainlog looks like this: http://pastebin.com/myJzhc6D |
| 07:36.26 | nsadmin | if you want, I can look at your domain to see how it's set up and if there are problems... this would have the effect of exposing some IP near you |
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| 07:37.37 | nsadmin | sometimes root mail is redirected to a plain user |
| 07:38.22 | VanDerSp1r | I'm afraid I can't give out access to such informations, nsadmin. As a trainee, I would not quite risk it |
| 07:38.39 | VanDerSp1r | Kind of you though |
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| 07:47.40 | nsadmin | VanDerSp1r, see if you have irc msgs waiting |
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| 07:48.07 | VanDerSp1r | Oh |
| 07:48.08 | VanDerSp1r | Sorry |
| 07:48.31 | nsadmin | just check em out... no big deal... |
| 07:48.52 | nsadmin | they don't necessarily need a response even |
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| 07:50.25 | obiwahn | test |
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| 07:50.57 | nsadmin | failed. |
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| 07:58.31 | jwilliams_ | if i have a process and when it is launched, the stack size is set to 10240. |
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| 07:59.26 | jwilliams_ | now i change to 1024 (ulimit -s 1024). will this affect the stack launched by that process (which was launched before setting ulimit -s 1024)? |
| 07:59.40 | jwilliams_ | or i need to restart that process so it will take effect? |
| 08:00.01 | nsadmin | I'd guess restart |
| 08:01.31 | jwilliams_ | thanks. |
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| 08:02.29 | oops | I have changed .Xresources for urxvt. Now how do I make urxvt use the new .Xresources? |
| 08:04.15 | oops | got it. xrdb merge .Xresources |
| 08:04.16 | oops | thanks |
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| 08:10.52 | ChrisH | Any hint on such an application: Upload a file and Phonenumber via Webbrowser to a Debian Box and use mgetty/sendfax and a script to fax it? First searches were unsuccessfull till now |
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| 08:13.00 | nsadmin | ChrisH, you want to send the same fax to many fax machnes? |
| 08:13.52 | ChrisH | nsadmin: no. 1 Upload 1 Reciepient |
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| 08:14.58 | ChrisH | nsadmin: a simple internal use only application for my dad |
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| 08:17.39 | nsadmin | sec |
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| 08:22.08 | nsadmin | ChrisH, trying to make sure I understand it... what does your dad do, and then what does the computer do? |
| 08:24.08 | nsadmin | I wok! |
| 08:24.24 | nsadmin | I just stirfried me a copy of xfce core :) |
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| 08:26.40 | ChrisH | nsadmin: My Dad creates a file using his Windows Box. He uploads that PDF,PS File using his Webbrowser onto his Debian Server. There a medium-magic script gets the Phonenumber and the file and calls sendfax to deliver the fax and replies by mail. The other way round is working since years, the Debian Box receives the Fax (using mgetty) and delivers to my mail.... So I am currently searching mainly for a quick-and-dirty appl to upload |
| 08:27.03 | Xtreme | guys, i installed a application throught synaptics.. it said, added trigger for menu. but i am not able to find it anywhere in menu. |
| 08:27.21 | Xtreme | so is there any option to refresh gnome menu without deleting the panel? |
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| 08:29.20 | nsadmin | Xtreme, not sure |
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| 08:29.46 | nsadmin | you may have to log otu and log backin |
| 08:30.01 | ChrisH | Xtreme: can you start the appl from terminal? Just to confirm its installed correctly? |
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| 08:30.10 | Xtreme | nsadmin: tried it. |
| 08:30.23 | Xtreme | ChrisH: yes, i can start and its also in locate |
| 08:30.29 | Xtreme | installation was successfull |
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| 08:30.51 | ChrisH | Xtreme: logged out and in? Just an idea |
| 08:31.03 | Xtreme | ChrisH: done that. done restart too |
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| 08:32.18 | sturles | Is debtorrent dead? |
| 08:32.37 | sturles | Has there been any develpment since 2007, and is anyone using it? |
| 08:32.59 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | hello, |
| 08:32.59 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | i have some probleme on iptables with the physdev module. |
| 08:32.59 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | i need to remove all outgoing ipv6-icmp traffic on a bridged interface. |
| 08:32.59 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | so i do : |
| 08:32.59 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | sudo ip6tables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -p ipv6-icmp -m physdev --physdev-out tap0 -j DROP |
| 08:32.59 | *** kick/#debian [Mahoru`Tsunemi!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 08:33.02 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | and i only get : |
| 08:33.04 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | ip6tables: Invalid argument. Run `dmesg' for more information. |
| 08:33.06 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | physdev match: using --physdev-out in the OUTPUT, FORWARD and POSTROUTING chains for non-bridged traffic is not supported anymore. |
| 08:33.09 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | tap0 is bridged :) |
| 08:33.11 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | br0 8000.00163eeee870 no eth0 |
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| 08:33.13 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.15 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | :( |
| 08:33.55 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | hello, |
| 08:33.55 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | i have some probleme on iptables with the physdev module. |
| 08:34.00 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | i need to remove all outgoing ipv6-icmp traffic on a bridged interface. |
| 08:34.00 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | so i do : |
| 08:34.05 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | sudo ip6tables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -p ipv6-icmp -m physdev --physdev-out tap0 -j DROP |
| 08:34.06 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | and i only get : |
| 08:34.11 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | ip6tables: Invalid argument. Run `dmesg' for more information. |
| 08:34.17 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | in dmesg : |
| 08:34.19 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | physdev match: using --physdev-out in the OUTPUT, FORWARD and POSTROUTING chains for non-bridged traffic is not supported anymore. |
| 08:34.24 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | tap0 is bridged :) |
| 08:34.24 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | br0 8000.00163eeee870 no eth0 |
| 08:34.24 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.33 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | anyone see anything wrong ? |
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| 08:34.54 | nsadmin | enter keys, pastes, |
| 08:35.03 | joltcan | :) |
| 08:35.03 | nsadmin | let's see what dpkg has to say |
| 08:35.11 | nsadmin | !nopaste |
| 08:35.12 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 08:35.54 | Mahoru`Tsunemi | nsadmin: if i paste my message in a pasebin that's not irc anymore :) |
| 08:36.02 | nsadmin | having brought that out, I really like that you put effort in the detail of the question; it really helps people to know what you want |
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| 08:36.25 | nsadmin | Mahoru`Tsunemi, yeah.... isn't it great? |
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| 08:37.54 | VanDerSp1r | Is there any chance that I can delete a package that's "clustered" or kinda dependent for some other package, so that if I run an update, it will find it? |
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| 08:42.26 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:44.16 | nkuttler | owen1: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:44.46 | owen1 | nkuttler: squeeze |
| 08:46.05 | nkuttler | owen1: you probably want to build a backport from the sid package, but be aware of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611698 |
| 08:46.12 | nkuttler | !tell owen1 about ssbp |
| 08:48.03 | owen1 | nkuttler: i'll take a look. thanks |
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| 09:07.37 | Catnaroek | Hello. Is there any way to check what packages I installed from squeeze and what packages I installed from wheezy? |
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| 09:08.22 | themill | (a) don't mix releases like that as it always leads to tears, (b) /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 09:10.15 | Catnaroek | Thanks, themill. |
| 09:10.27 | Catnaroek | I just wanted to install g++ 4.7, because I need it for my job. |
| 09:10.43 | Catnaroek | But I may have accidentally installed other packages from wheezy. |
| 09:10.52 | Catnaroek | In which case I want to uninstall them. |
| 09:11.38 | themill | you will probably have dragged in many packages from wheezy and unmixing is not that easy |
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| 09:12.36 | nsadmin | Catnaroek, easy enough to build it |
| 09:13.10 | Catnaroek | It requires a version of libgmp that doesn't come with squeeze either. |
| 09:13.24 | Catnaroek | So I would've had to compile that from source as well. |
| 09:13.27 | nsadmin | the source? or the binary? |
| 09:13.37 | nsadmin | the source will look at what you have |
| 09:14.05 | nsadmin | or, what do you mean by "it"? |
| 09:14.16 | nsadmin | your work? or the compiler? |
| 09:14.22 | Catnaroek | The compiler. |
| 09:14.43 | nsadmin | ok, how did you find this out? |
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| 09:15.52 | Catnaroek | Downloading the source for g++ 4.7 |
| 09:16.06 | Catnaroek | And running the ./configure program. |
| 09:16.56 | Catnaroek | It balked about libgmp, libmpc and libmpfr, but the libmpc and libmpfr versions were okay, while the libgmp version was not okay, so I concluded the problem was that. |
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| 09:18.18 | pasky | Hi! How can I get aptitude install to explain why it wants to install a certain package? |
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| 09:18.38 | nsadmin | aptitude why <package> |
| 09:18.39 | nsadmin | or |
| 09:18.44 | nsadmin | aptitude why not <package> |
| 09:19.09 | pasky | that says Unable to find a reason to install hello. |
| 09:19.17 | pasky | yet, aptitude install (without arguments) wants to install hello |
| 09:19.24 | Catnaroek | So... |
| 09:19.28 | pasky | apt-get install is happy |
| 09:19.33 | Catnaroek | If I wanted to update from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 09:19.40 | Catnaroek | (I mean, the whole system.) |
| 09:19.56 | Catnaroek | What would I have to do? |
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| 09:20.13 | nsadmin | you can do that if you want to, with caveats about stability included by reference |
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| 09:20.53 | nsadmin | personally I would first update your system to its own latest |
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| 09:21.10 | Catnaroek | Well, I am not glad about having to run wheezy, but... would having some packages from squeeze and some others from wheezy be worse? |
| 09:21.13 | nsadmin | and clean your sources.list of anything that would cause a mixture |
| 09:21.24 | nsadmin | I never said you had to run wheezy |
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| 09:22.04 | Catnaroek | But I need g++4.7 |
| 09:22.33 | nsadmin | and, do you want to install that from the package? |
| 09:22.54 | nsadmin | to avoid messy, etc building? |
| 09:23.01 | Catnaroek | Yep. |
| 09:23.33 | nsadmin | so, you're choosing to upgrade? do you have spare hd space or another machine? |
| 09:23.46 | Catnaroek | The first. |
| 09:24.05 | nsadmin | you have spare hd space that's unpartitioned? |
| 09:24.16 | nsadmin | and/or, you have and are using lvm? |
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| 09:24.33 | Catnaroek | I honestly don't remember how I partitioned my disk when I installed squeeze. |
| 09:24.38 | Catnaroek | Lemme check. |
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| 09:25.16 | nsadmin | I'm thinking, you could dual boot |
| 09:25.37 | nsadmin | how much ram on that box? |
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| 09:25.51 | nsadmin | it's your box and not a work box? |
| 09:25.57 | Catnaroek | Mine. |
| 09:26.15 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:26.35 | Catnaroek | Is running wheezy that bad? |
| 09:27.00 | nsadmin | no, it's just that it's a moving target |
| 09:27.16 | nsadmin | and, some glitches have occured lately |
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| 09:27.22 | Catnaroek | Oh. |
| 09:27.29 | nsadmin | do you have squeeze netinstall cd? |
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| 09:27.57 | Catnaroek | I have the 180MB ISO. |
| 09:28.31 | nsadmin | an iso... ok, that can work... can you burn a copy to a cd? |
| 09:29.00 | nsadmin | oh, how much ram you have, and which arch? |
| 09:29.09 | Catnaroek | My CD reader is broken. :( |
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| 09:29.34 | Catnaroek | But I could dd it to an USB. |
| 09:29.52 | Catnaroek | (That's how I installed squeeze in first place.) |
| 09:29.54 | nsadmin | yeah, that would work if your machine can boot from it |
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| 09:30.06 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:31.06 | nsadmin | so, continue finding out how much unpartitioned space you have |
| 09:31.34 | Catnaroek | I have 2 partitions, swap and everything else. :( |
| 09:31.52 | nsadmin | "everything else" fills the drive?> |
| 09:31.56 | Catnaroek | Yeah. |
| 09:32.05 | Catnaroek | Next time I will remember to partition moar. |
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| 09:32.27 | nsadmin | ok, what does df / say? |
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| 09:32.43 | Catnaroek | oh wait |
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| 09:33.13 | nsadmin | maybe you have another hd you could connect or something liek that |
| 09:33.24 | Catnaroek | Nope. |
| 09:33.44 | Catnaroek | And still, one partition is the hugest by far - it occupies the lion's share of the HD. |
| 09:33.53 | Catnaroek | s/occupies/uses/ |
| 09:34.09 | nsadmin | ok, what does df / say? |
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| 09:34.26 | Catnaroek | /dev/sda1 147566056 7787156 132282964 6% / |
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| 09:34.40 | Catnaroek | And I have a 160GB HD. |
| 09:34.49 | Catnaroek | 147566056 is almost all the disk. |
| 09:35.21 | Catnaroek | So, what is better, upgrading everything to wheezy or running a mixture? |
| 09:35.34 | nsadmin | 132282964 is what's free? |
| 09:35.37 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 09:35.37 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Squeeze, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 09:36.08 | Catnaroek | Aw. |
| 09:36.16 | Catnaroek | nsadmin: I don't think it's free. |
| 09:36.24 | Catnaroek | df alone says there are 3 other partitions. |
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| 09:36.31 | nsadmin | yeah, yeah, bobbit your woody... sheesh :) |
| 09:37.17 | Catnaroek | Well, technically if I upgraded every package to wheezy, it would not be a problem anymore (would it?). |
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| 09:37.47 | nsadmin | Catnaroek, no, not particularly... but we'll do that carefully |
| 09:37.54 | Catnaroek | Okay. :) |
| 09:37.56 | Catnaroek | ty btw |
| 09:38.35 | nsadmin | the point of no return is right here. you should consider things like backing up at this exact point. |
| 09:39.00 | DaffyDuck_ | A friend of mine bought a HTPC (Aspire RL70). After upgrading to 'testing', graphics in X is garbled. Are there any generic tips for ATI users? (Like "Set xorg.conf option foo to bar, and everything will work) |
| 09:39.11 | DaffyDuck_ | ATI HD6320, apparently. |
| 09:39.29 | Catnaroek | There is no work info in this machine that is not also in some other machine. |
| 09:39.34 | nsadmin | or, you could claim that nothing on your drive is important, and you could lose it and then happily sell the hd and go betting on some horse... |
| 09:39.44 | Catnaroek | lol |
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| 09:40.02 | nsadmin | you making that claim? |
| 09:40.03 | Blac]{out | o/ |
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| 09:40.07 | Catnaroek | Don't worry, I know if something goes wrong, the only one to blame is me. |
| 09:40.13 | Catnaroek | myself* |
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| 09:40.39 | Catnaroek | I'm not one of those who says "that dude gave me the instructions! he's guilty!" |
| 09:40.44 | nsadmin | that's part of it... the other part is can I do this at a fairly quick clip? |
| 09:40.59 | Catnaroek | What do you mean? |
| 09:41.08 | Catnaroek | (Sorry, English is not my mother language.) |
| 09:41.23 | nsadmin | do I need to also help protect the data? |
| 09:41.38 | nsadmin | or can I skip being really careful? |
| 09:41.40 | Catnaroek | Nah, don't worry about protecting anything, it's just an upgrade. |
| 09:41.52 | nsadmin | ok. so, here we go |
| 09:41.55 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 09:41.58 | Catnaroek | Okay! |
| 09:42.10 | nsadmin | aptitude install nopaste |
| 09:42.24 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 09:42.31 | nsadmin | then, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
| 09:42.45 | nsadmin | you'll get a url |
| 09:42.46 | Catnaroek | Please wait. |
| 09:43.55 | Catnaroek | Wait, under su -? |
| 09:44.06 | nsadmin | for the install, yes |
| 09:44.16 | Catnaroek | Okay. |
| 09:44.18 | Catnaroek | PLease wait. |
| 09:44.25 | nsadmin | I guess you might as well stay there, as we'll be editing |
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| 09:44.33 | Catnaroek | It says it could not construct the paste. |
| 09:44.47 | Catnaroek | If you want to, I can post the file on a paste site. |
| 09:45.04 | nsadmin | ok, and not pastebin.com please :) |
| 09:45.07 | Catnaroek | ok |
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| 09:46.24 | Catnaroek | What site do you recommend? |
| 09:46.40 | Catnaroek | paste.debian.org is not available |
| 09:46.55 | nsadmin | howbout gist.github.com |
| 09:47.00 | Catnaroek | Ok. |
| 09:47.44 | Catnaroek | https://gist.github.com/2626957 |
| 09:47.46 | nsadmin | and you look at the paste too, so we can refer to line numbers |
| 09:47.55 | Catnaroek | Okay. |
| 09:48.20 | Catnaroek | Basically, it's the original squeeze sources, with a modified copy on top of it. |
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| 09:48.24 | nsadmin | ok, switch them back to squeeze on... |
| 09:48.33 | Catnaroek | Okay. |
| 09:48.44 | Catnaroek | Just commenting out the squeeze ones will work, won't it? |
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| 09:48.55 | nsadmin | oh, I see, just comment out the wheezy ones then |
| 09:49.04 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 09:49.04 | Catnaroek | done |
| 09:49.11 | nsadmin | ok, aptitude update |
| 09:49.37 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 09:49.43 | Catnaroek | done |
| 09:49.49 | nsadmin | and, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 09:50.11 | nsadmin | to make sure your squeeze is uptodate |
| 09:50.23 | Catnaroek | Oh. |
| 09:51.00 | Catnaroek | It shouldn't take too much, I updated the system like two weeks ago (before I added wheezy to my sources) |
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| 09:51.15 | nsadmin | good enuf :) |
| 09:51.28 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 09:51.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 09:51.49 | nsadmin | what';s your arch? |
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| 09:52.01 | Catnaroek | amd64 |
| 09:52.24 | nsadmin | , kernels --arch=amd64 |
| 09:52.25 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 09:52.52 | Catnaroek | , kernels --arch amd64 |
| 09:52.54 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 09:53.00 | nsadmin | themill, feature request :) |
| 09:53.14 | Catnaroek | done |
| 09:53.23 | Catnaroek | updated |
| 09:53.27 | nsadmin | ok, good... now, |
| 09:53.37 | Catnaroek | now... |
| 09:53.51 | nsadmin | switch back to wheezy and make sure you comment out the squeezy |
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| 09:54.08 | Catnaroek | You mean in the sources.list file? |
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| 09:54.12 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 09:54.35 | nsadmin | I like to do the upgrade in a coupla stages |
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| 09:54.45 | Catnaroek | Oh. |
| 09:55.14 | nsadmin | you'll see; we'll get there in a moment |
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| 09:55.49 | Catnaroek | so |
| 09:55.54 | Catnaroek | again aptitude update? |
| 09:55.58 | Catnaroek | and all the rest? |
| 09:55.59 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:56.03 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 09:56.04 | Catnaroek | pls wait |
| 09:56.05 | nsadmin | no |
| 09:56.08 | Catnaroek | what? |
| 09:56.16 | nsadmin | not "all the rest", just update |
| 09:56.24 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 09:56.25 | Catnaroek | updating |
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| 09:57.07 | Catnaroek | i hope this doesnt restart the irc client hehe |
| 09:57.34 | nsadmin | then, aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 09:57.49 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 09:57.51 | nsadmin | got another machine? :) it's going to restart it soon :) |
| 09:58.19 | Catnaroek | i have another one, but ill have to move the monitor |
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| 09:58.35 | nsadmin | oh, only if necessary then |
| 09:58.36 | Catnaroek | (and its in a room not so near this one) |
| 09:58.56 | Catnaroek | if it involves restarting i dont think that would take too long would it? |
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| 09:59.07 | nsadmin | you'll be flying blind for a moment |
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| 09:59.42 | nsadmin | one thing, do you have wireless? wired? any of that need firmware? |
| 09:59.47 | Catnaroek | if anything goes wrong, ill move the monitor to the other machine and come back as Catnaroek |
| 09:59.55 | Catnaroek | wired |
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| 10:00.07 | Catnaroek | doesnt need any firmware afaik |
| 10:00.08 | nsadmin | probably no firmware then |
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| 10:00.23 | nsadmin | so you have both kernels installed right now |
| 10:00.35 | nsadmin | you're going to reboot, but just wait a sec |
| 10:00.38 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 10:01.19 | nsadmin | so if you find that booting the new kernel connects to the internet, just come on back... if not, boot the old kernel and come back |
| 10:01.27 | nsadmin | you can go ahead |
| 10:01.35 | Catnaroek | nice |
| 10:01.37 | Catnaroek | thx |
| 10:01.43 | nsadmin | grub, rigjht? |
| 10:01.47 | Catnaroek | yep |
| 10:01.52 | themill | nsadmin: and a long-standing feature request at that. Unfortunately that doesn't make extra time for it... but patches welcome! |
| 10:01.53 | nsadmin | cool, you're all set |
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| 10:02.12 | nsadmin | themill, what language? |
| 10:02.24 | Catnaroek | just shutdown -rt now? |
| 10:02.42 | nsadmin | or shutdown -r now (what's the t? |
| 10:02.46 | Catnaroek | oh |
| 10:02.46 | themill | nsadmin: python. /msg dpkg source judd |
| 10:02.49 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 10:03.02 | nsadmin | themill, I'd have to learn it |
| 10:03.29 | gunouille | says: my pi is faster than yours |
| 10:03.33 | nsadmin | but, there must be examples of where you added --arch= to (say) versions? |
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| 10:04.30 | Catnaroek | back |
| 10:04.35 | nsadmin | and? |
| 10:04.40 | Catnaroek | all run ok so far |
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| 10:04.53 | nsadmin | ahh. show uname -r |
| 10:05.32 | Catnaroek | 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 10:05.43 | nsadmin | great, you in as root? |
| 10:05.46 | Catnaroek | no |
| 10:05.55 | themill | nsadmin: the command actually needs to be moved from one plugin to another and completely rewritten. It currently uses a different db. |
| 10:05.58 | Catnaroek | but i have have the root password |
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| 10:06.27 | nsadmin | havahava? |
| 10:06.32 | gunouille | ha |
| 10:06.40 | Catnaroek | want me to close my user session and log in as root? |
| 10:07.00 | nsadmin | no need to close, you can also su from a term |
| 10:07.04 | Catnaroek | ok fine |
| 10:07.22 | Catnaroek | now i delete the old kernel i guess? |
| 10:07.24 | nsadmin | that way not the whole x is running as root |
| 10:07.27 | nsadmin | no |
| 10:07.30 | Catnaroek | ok |
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| 10:07.35 | nsadmin | hold onto it just in case |
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| 10:07.56 | Catnaroek | so what do i do now? |
| 10:08.07 | Catnaroek | just aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 10:08.07 | nsadmin | now, you're going to install a few more pkgs |
| 10:08.10 | Catnaroek | ok |
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| 10:08.55 | nsadmin | aptitude install perl bash dpkg apt aptitude apt-get |
| 10:09.17 | nsadmin | one of those may be the wrong name, but try it anyway, and just rerun without |
| 10:09.18 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 10:09.27 | Catnaroek | alla them are ok |
| 10:09.32 | Catnaroek | but |
| 10:09.41 | nsadmin | ok good |
| 10:09.52 | Catnaroek | it complains specifically about perl |
| 10:10.06 | nsadmin | what's it say exactly? |
| 10:10.24 | Catnaroek | "The following packages have unmet dependencies: blablabla..." |
| 10:10.38 | Catnaroek | "The following actions will resolve the dependencies:" |
| 10:10.40 | nsadmin | oh, ok, try this first then: |
| 10:10.49 | Catnaroek | keep perl at its current version essentially |
| 10:10.49 | nsadmin | oh wait, continue |
| 10:11.09 | Catnaroek | do I accept the solution (update all that but perl)? |
| 10:11.17 | nsadmin | what's keeping perl not upgraded? |
| 10:11.24 | nsadmin | what packages? |
| 10:11.44 | Catnaroek | gonna use a paste |
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| 10:11.54 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 10:12.08 | nsadmin | perl is a tad touchy |
| 10:12.29 | Catnaroek | https://gist.github.com/2627035 |
| 10:12.33 | nsadmin | before we fkwidit, we need to know what's up |
| 10:12.45 | Catnaroek | ok |
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| 10:14.06 | nsadmin | ok, let's leave perl alone and see what happens |
| 10:14.06 | gunouille | perl may brun down your brain |
| 10:14.16 | Catnaroek | nsadmin, ok |
| 10:14.24 | Catnaroek | so all but perl it is right? |
| 10:14.32 | nsadmin | rembers "brun" from apple ][ days |
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| 10:14.40 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 10:15.02 | Catnaroek | all the other ones were okay and apt-get is not a package |
| 10:15.10 | nsadmin | ok. |
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| 10:15.21 | nsadmin | thought there was one like that |
| 10:15.24 | Catnaroek | done |
| 10:15.32 | nsadmin | ok, now do the dist-upgrade |
| 10:15.40 | Catnaroek | do i restart the terminal? |
| 10:15.46 | nsadmin | nope |
| 10:15.49 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 10:15.54 | nsadmin | you -could- |
| 10:16.13 | nsadmin | run this in the console, with X stopped... then start it again after |
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| 10:16.33 | nsadmin | it should be safe tho, the upgrading looks for that now |
| 10:16.50 | Catnaroek | nsadmin: https://gist.github.com/2627048 |
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| 10:16.57 | martianixor | hi, did anyone give sdfs AKA opendedup a try? |
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| 10:17.11 | Catnaroek | nsadmin: none of those is terribly critical, are they? |
| 10:17.42 | nsadmin | keep a journal, with that output in it |
| 10:17.52 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 10:17.57 | nsadmin | maybe you want to reinstall those things, maybe not |
| 10:19.03 | nsadmin | once you journal that, let it fly |
| 10:19.39 | Catnaroek | nice now its installing |
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| 10:20.29 | nsadmin | so about that list you just journaled, if you know these are important, you can install then back later |
| 10:20.29 | Catnaroek | btw, once again, nsadmin, i dont know how to thank you |
| 10:20.38 | Catnaroek | yeah |
| 10:20.44 | Catnaroek | i just checked their descriptions |
| 10:20.47 | Catnaroek | with apt-cache |
| 10:20.54 | nsadmin | very cool |
| 10:21.10 | Catnaroek | and the only one that maaaaaaaaaaaybe i would have to reinstall is defoma |
| 10:22.38 | nsadmin | so, you're going to be running testing, and all I'll say right now, is be super careful about what you install and/or upgrade... if it says "I've got more packages" and your machine is working ok, leave it alone |
| 10:23.11 | Catnaroek | ok |
| 10:23.16 | Catnaroek | i will remember that |
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| 10:24.16 | nsadmin | you might consider backing up your whole hd before upgrading, so you can just restore if wheezy is somewhat broke at the time |
| 10:24.42 | nsadmin | oh, and I believe it's going to pull in the gcc by itself |
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| 10:24.53 | nsadmin | during this dist-upgrade |
| 10:24.54 | Catnaroek | i will back up when im done with the upgrade |
| 10:25.09 | Catnaroek | oh, nice |
| 10:25.13 | nsadmin | good plan |
| 10:25.14 | Catnaroek | its always good to have gcc just in case |
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| 10:26.14 | Catnaroek | btw, once again (u must be bored already) ty ty ty ty very much |
| 10:26.44 | nsadmin | well don't thank me yet... we'll have to see what broke |
| 10:27.32 | nsadmin | I just built xfce in a separate partition; what would I do to start it? |
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| 10:28.00 | nsadmin | ideally I'd like to add it to the sessions menu |
| 10:28.21 | Catnaroek | :O |
| 10:28.55 | nsadmin | I wok! |
| 10:29.01 | nsadmin | since I stirfried it up |
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| 10:29.49 | Catnaroek | lol... was it tasty or did it taste too strong? |
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| 10:30.19 | nsadmin | lotsa plastic and metal |
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| 10:31.02 | pullover | hey guys |
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| 10:31.30 | pullover | i'am trinyg to backup my database |
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| 10:32.00 | nsadmin | you should have the db engine make a dump file |
| 10:32.06 | pullover | mysqldump --default-character-set=$CHARSET --user=$1 --password=$2 $3 | $SIKI$ |
| 10:32.12 | nsadmin | then backup the gump |
| 10:32.30 | Shojo | hi pullover |
| 10:32.31 | pullover | no my problem is my password contain ";" |
| 10:32.41 | pullover | remove quotas |
| 10:32.58 | pullover | so bash gives an error ntax error near unexpected token `;;' |
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| 10:33.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am trying to learn git.. |
| 10:33.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have two branches develop and main |
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| 10:33.27 | Catnaroek | i dont think this is the right channel |
| 10:33.30 | Catnaroek | to ask git questions |
| 10:33.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i make changes in develop and then i switch to main and try to merge the two and it |
| 10:33.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 10:33.41 | nsadmin | --passwprd="$2" |
| 10:33.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a git channel |
| 10:33.45 | nsadmin | try that |
| 10:33.48 | pullover | the i am calling shell script backup.sh username mysqpasword db_name |
| 10:33.52 | Catnaroek | maybe, ##programming would be fine as well |
| 10:34.00 | nsadmin | is there a git channel??! let's find out! |
| 10:34.03 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: #git has 800 people in it... |
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| 10:34.39 | pullover | its not about programming its about bash syntax |
| 10:35.13 | pullover | nsadmin: i try |
| 10:35.13 | nsadmin | 800 gits... they had to go -somewhere-... |
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| 10:35.45 | Catnaroek | lol |
| 10:36.13 | pullover | nsadmin: No luck |
| 10:36.18 | ericP | i made a strategic error and added "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main" to sources.list in order to grab libboost-dev 1.49 |
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| 10:37.01 | ericP | aptitude suggested deleting a million things 'cause of a failed libc dep |
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| 10:37.28 | ericP | i commented out wheezy and updated the package list again, but i still see that it has a dependency issue |
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| 10:40.58 | ericP | e.g. ia32-libs depends on ia32-libs-multiarch:i386, depends on xaw3dg:i386 depends on libc6:i386 2.15-0ubuntu10 |
| 10:41.05 | ericP | any graceful way out of this? |
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| 10:42.00 | arvind_khadri | ericP, after removing the wheezy line, did you do a aptitude update? |
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| 10:42.47 | ericP | arvind_khadri, yep (via 'u' in curses interface) |
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| 10:44.22 | arvind_khadri | ericP, maybe just do #aptitude update (in terminal) |
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| 10:47.19 | ericP | arvind_khadri, done -- starting interact again i'm offered to remove libc6:i386 |
| 10:48.46 | ericP | arvind_khadri, ahh, i think i'm not smart enough to use the aptitude interface |
| 10:48.56 | Iridos | what depends on an ubuntu libc6? |
| 10:48.58 | Iridos | and why? |
| 10:49.18 | moty66 | why I keep seeing these named errors http://paste.debian.net/167702/ in syslog |
| 10:49.49 | ericP | examining the proposal to remoive libc6:i386, i get http://pastebin.com/jZ9aEDLY |
| 10:50.09 | arvind_khadri | ericP, umm, I cant think of anything else, if you have NOT installed anything from wheezy then removing it from sources.list should work. |
| 10:50.30 | arvind_khadri | ericP, can you please paste in paste.debian.net :) |
| 10:50.31 | ericP | one of those options is "Keep libc-bin at version 2.15-0ubuntu10 (now, precise)", but i don't know how to ask aptitude to do that (as opposed to removig it) |
| 10:50.41 | ericP | arvind_khadri, paste, roger |
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| 10:51.53 | themill | dpkg: tell ericP about unmixing |
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| 10:52.14 | themill | ericP: there is no known way of undoing what you have done. |
| 10:52.42 | Iridos | unmixing? Like... you bake a cake and then take the flour out? |
| 10:52.44 | ericP | sad sad |
| 10:53.59 | ericP | i figured i was safe so long as i hadn't installed or Upgraded or anything like that |
| 10:54.11 | themill | ericP: actually, a precise+wheezy mix might be easier to undo than a squeeze+wheezy mix, but I doubt it. |
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| 10:58.29 | Younos | hiya i've just installed gitweb using apt-get install gitweb, and created a repo at /var/cache/git/MyProg.git |
| 10:58.51 | Younos | however it doesnt show up when i browse to http://localhost/gitweb/ |
| 10:59.11 | Younos | is it hidden or something, or should i make a list of project that are visible? |
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| 11:32.30 | nsadmin | how can I find out the mac addr of a machine that has no os? I want to try to install to it via pxe |
| 11:32.32 | LgL | helloo what version of gnome does debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-gnome-desktop run ??? |
| 11:32.58 | nsadmin | , versions gnome-session |
| 11:32.59 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; sid: 3.4.1-1; wheezy: 3.4.1-1 |
| 11:33.15 | nsadmin | 2.30.2-3 |
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| 11:33.27 | LgL | thx |
| 11:33.51 | LgL | nsadmin: open the computer and look at the NIC irl |
| 11:34.00 | LgL | :D |
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| 11:34.11 | LgL | or boot a live dist and check it |
| 11:34.24 | nsadmin | I was hoping to not have to do either of those things... |
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| 11:34.43 | nsadmin | maybe I could run a sniffer |
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| 11:35.45 | LgL | but you dont have any os on the computer so its not connected to any network.. how can you sniff it? |
| 11:36.13 | nsadmin | that's true but the bios can netboot |
| 11:36.47 | LgL | can you not see the mac in the bios somewere? |
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| 11:37.11 | nsadmin | that's a good point... let's see |
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| 11:40.34 | LgL | nsadmin: http://serverfault.com/questions/176405/how-to-discover-the-mac-address-of-machines-in-a-network |
| 11:41.05 | nsadmin | ok, the bios has settings to put the nic in pxe-enabled mode |
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| 11:42.11 | nsadmin | thank you; I'll look now |
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| 11:42.35 | LgL | yes and then connect it to a router and check so its connect.. then log in to the router and check history who was connected or is connected? |
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| 11:44.32 | nsadmin | here's a possible way... turn on pxe from the bios of the unknown macaddr machine, fire up wireshark, fire up the machine to do pxe |
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| 11:46.26 | Rprp` | I've deleted my "/bin/ps" command, is there any chance it is possible to --reinstall it with apt or something? |
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| 11:49.56 | vlade_imir | Rprp`: aptitude reinstall procps |
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| 11:50.11 | Rprp` | vlade_imir: works, thnx alot |
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| 11:52.54 | VanDerSp1r | Hey again, guys |
| 11:53.22 | VanDerSp1r | Does anyone know of an outdated package I can download, that got updates I can get? |
| 11:53.46 | Iridos | what? |
| 11:53.58 | babilen | VanDerSp1r: What? What are you trying to do? You can, naturally, download many outdated packages, but why would you want that? |
| 11:54.33 | nsadmin | got the mac addr :) |
| 11:54.47 | VanDerSp1r | Because I need to check if cron-apt can send me mails, but I'm all up to date. |
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| 11:55.05 | VanDerSp1r | And It can't send mails if there's no new updates |
| 11:55.47 | themill | VanDerSp1r: there have been a lot of imagemagick updates recently |
| 11:56.01 | themill | ,v imagemagick |
| 11:56.02 | judd | Package: imagemagick on i386 -- lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny4; squeeze: 8:6.6.0.4-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze3; sid: 8:6.7.4.0-5; wheezy: 8:6.7.4.0-5 |
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| 12:11.58 | Garda | hi, if I'm adding a new user, is it useradd or adduser ? |
| 12:12.03 | Garda | which do I want to use? |
| 12:12.38 | abrotman | adduser |
| 12:12.44 | abrotman | unless you have a good reason not to |
| 12:12.51 | Garda | ok, thanks |
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| 12:13.01 | Garda | abrotman++ :) |
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| 12:13.46 | ksk | Garda: see manpages of bot tools, one tells you to not use it ;) |
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| 12:13.49 | ksk | s/bot/both |
| 12:14.59 | abrotman | you can use useradd .. you just have to know when |
| 12:15.05 | abrotman | generally, you don't want to |
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| 12:17.26 | nsadmin | useradd is more for scripting, there is a place to put the password, and it has to already be encrypted... or you can use useradd then passwd... it's kinda a hassle unless you know it's exactly what you need for your current particular purpose |
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| 12:17.47 | nsadmin | adduser has a cute ui |
| 12:19.30 | nsadmin | and then, if you have a bunch of users (like hundreds/thousands) look into newusers |
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| 12:21.35 | abrotman | it's not more for scripting .. |
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| 12:23.30 | nsadmin | more so than adduser |
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| 12:23.38 | abrotman | if you say so |
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| 12:32.16 | fasta | In Gnome there are known locations or something like that. If I press on it, I get an error because the application it wants to open doesn't exist. How do I change the association? |
| 12:32.32 | fasta | It really should say "oh, look it failed, do you want to change the configuration?" |
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| 12:33.29 | fasta | By Gnome, I mean Gnome2 Squeeze. |
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| 12:35.16 | nsadmin | wouldn't you just right click on it? |
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| 12:36.48 | fasta | nsadmin: it's one of those items which is in the top Gnome menu. |
| 12:37.13 | fasta | nsadmin: right clicking on them means the same as left clicking. |
| 12:37.30 | fasta | nsadmin: it should just open nautilus, not iceweasel. |
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| 12:38.25 | fasta | nsadmin: and it doesn't even open iceweasel, because it doesn't exist. |
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| 12:40.15 | nsadmin | sounds like it's screwed up and it doesn't say why |
| 12:40.46 | fasta | Gnome is supposed to be simple. |
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| 12:41.14 | fasta | It should be absolutely trivial to answer the query: why do you try to start iceweasel? |
| 12:42.42 | amgarching | Hi, somewhat off-topic, what is a "trap stack segment" exception? Like here: dhcpcd[5533] trap stack segment ip:7f48e7e5300c sp:7fff6f974ca0 error:0 Google didnt help much. |
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| 12:43.01 | abrotman | fasta: is this in gnome2 ? |
| 12:44.06 | nsadmin | <fasta> By Gnome, I mean Gnome2 Squeeze. |
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| 12:44.43 | abrotman | fasta: google "edit Places gnome2" .. I don't run gnome2 anymore, else I'd look on my system |
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| 12:46.16 | willemb | does anything else play in the same arena as 'enterprise-inventory system' , as per http://code.google.com/p/enterprise-inventory-system/ |
| 12:46.31 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 12:46.33 | nsadmin | is there a test client for tftp? |
| 12:46.51 | willemb | ie, something I can use to interrogate lshw or dmidecode over the network, and look at the results with a web browser? |
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| 12:57.42 | VanDerSp1r | Ugh! Nothing helps! I can't seem to find a package to install, that then can be updated after. What am I to do? |
| 12:58.08 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 12:58.53 | fasta | abrotman: what do you run now? |
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| 12:59.23 | fasta | abrotman: all I can find is changing the menu, not which application it opens. |
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| 13:02.30 | fasta | nsadmin: what do you mean by that? |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | fasta: sorry, misunderstood .. what kind of link is it ? |
| 13:02.40 | fasta | abrotman: ftp:// |
| 13:02.47 | abrotman | fasta: and it opens what ? |
| 13:02.52 | fasta | abrotman: iceweasel |
| 13:03.04 | fasta | abrotman: a non-existing iceweasel |
| 13:03.12 | abrotman | fasta: what'd you do with it?! |
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| 13:03.47 | fasta | abrotman: I don't know or the people using it caused it. |
| 13:03.51 | abrotman | fasta: gnome2 has a few places to change it IIRC .. first check your Preferred Applications, then check the altneratives system |
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| 13:04.01 | fasta | abrotman: not preferred applications. |
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| 13:04.10 | fasta | abrotman: I think it is sensible browser. |
| 13:04.11 | VanDerSp1r | DotHack... Isn't that some anime? |
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| 13:04.24 | fasta | abrotman: (so, yes, you are second option) |
| 13:04.26 | abrotman | fasta: so use update-alternatives --config to change it |
| 13:04.32 | DotHack | VanDerSp1r: yes |
| 13:04.34 | fasta | your* |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | i'm a second option\o/ |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: what are you searching for ? |
| 13:05.06 | fasta | abrotman: be glad that you are not a toxic derivative. |
| 13:05.29 | abrotman | woot! |
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| 13:05.35 | abrotman | or something |
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| 13:05.53 | VanDerSp1r | abrotman, I'm all up to date and I need to see if cron-apt works. Sadly, cron-apt won't send a mail if I'm up to date, but only if there's a package to be updated. |
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| 13:06.48 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: are you using proposed-updates ? |
| 13:07.12 | VanDerSp1r | I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what proposed even means |
| 13:07.31 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: /msg dpkg proposed-updates |
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| 13:07.49 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: find a packages in there, first install it from regular place, then add that repo, then wait for proposed-updates to freak out |
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| 13:09.17 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: and if you don't want proposed-updates, remove the source when you're done .. i'd choose something uhm .. unused |
| 13:09.25 | abrotman | or that you don't care about |
| 13:09.31 | VanDerSp1r | I tried "dpkg proposed-updates" and got the message "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 13:09.48 | fasta | abrotman: it's not sensible-browser. |
| 13:10.11 | abrotman | fasta: x-www-browser? gnome-browser? |
| 13:10.20 | abrotman | fasta: ls /etc/alternatives/ | grep browser |
| 13:10.32 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: taht's an IRC command |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell VanDerSp1r about proposed-updates |
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| 13:11.05 | fasta | abrotman: none of those. |
| 13:11.09 | VanDerSp1r | Oh |
| 13:11.40 | abrotman | fasta: you don't have any, or none point at IW ? |
| 13:11.49 | fasta | abrotman: latter |
| 13:12.10 | abrotman | fasta: ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep browser .. put it in a pastebin please |
| 13:12.17 | nsadmin | my pxeboot fed the ip address and the boot loader file! |
| 13:12.31 | fasta | abrotman: uhm, you can trust me on this. |
| 13:12.34 | nsadmin | so far so good... |
| 13:12.58 | fasta | abrotman: I manually executed all of them and none of them started or tried to start IW. |
| 13:13.18 | nsadmin | fasta, humor him... be social... just let him see it :) |
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| 13:13.24 | fasta | ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep ice |
| 13:13.42 | fasta | abrotman: also returns nothing, with enough browser entries. |
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| 13:14.06 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 13:14.13 | abrotman | oh |
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| 13:14.29 | abrotman | fasta: time to look in the gconf editor |
| 13:14.46 | nsadmin | fasta, do this (exact text): ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep browser | wc -l |
| 13:14.51 | fasta | abrotman: really handy having all configuration in one place, right? ^^ |
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| 13:15.13 | fasta | nsadmin: 6 |
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| 13:15.26 | nsadmin | hmm, in that case |
| 13:15.27 | fasta | nsadmin: of which one is infobrowser and one I forgot and the rest are real browsers. |
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| 13:15.43 | abrotman | fasta: i have no idea how gnome2 decided this was a great idea .. i agree it's a mess .. it's better in gnome3 |
| 13:15.43 | nsadmin | take the | wc -l off, and pastebin those 6 lines |
| 13:15.46 | abrotman | much better |
| 13:16.03 | fasta | abrotman: I went to KDE4 on another machine. |
| 13:16.17 | fasta | abrotman: I now have ... gestures. |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | involving a single finger? |
| 13:16.24 | fasta | Really awesome ... when it doesn't crash. |
| 13:16.33 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
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| 13:16.46 | fasta | abrotman: I am not waving with multiple hands yet. |
| 13:16.51 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: also, why not just wait .. subscribe to the DSA RSS feed/email list .. you'll know about teh same time as cron-apt |
| 13:16.56 | AllStruck | I'm gearing up to do an upgrade to squeeze on one of these RackSpace cloud servers… I created a new instance from an image and ported DNS there... |
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| 13:17.02 | fasta | abrotman: I also would like to have voice control. |
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| 13:17.12 | fasta | But that doesn't really exist, AFAIK. |
| 13:17.20 | fasta | Or rather in Linux. |
| 13:17.25 | abrotman | dragon-speaking naturally, but it's buggy last i knew |
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| 13:17.51 | fasta | abrotman: how does gnome3 do it? |
| 13:18.03 | abrotman | it's just not all over teh darn place |
| 13:18.12 | abrotman | there is the alternatives, or a single place |
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| 13:18.27 | abrotman | I agree with you .. it's frustrating in gnome2/squeeze |
| 13:18.31 | fasta | I think one should be able to press right on a character and skip through all the code which created the character in the first place. |
| 13:18.51 | fasta | With some properties system for configuration. |
| 13:18.53 | babilen | wut? |
| 13:19.08 | fasta | babilen: kind of like Smalltalk does things. |
| 13:19.36 | fasta | It completely gets rid of the configuration problem. |
| 13:19.44 | fasta | Same for desktop effects. |
| 13:19.56 | fasta | Just click on a pixel during an effect to enable/disable it. |
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| 13:20.08 | fasta | Slow down time if needed, etc. |
| 13:20.12 | babilen | I have no idea why I would want to see all code that was involved in displaying a single character, but meh .. → #debian-offtopic (if at all) |
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| 13:20.44 | g0rd0n | (parted) mkpart primary 1000000 2000000 -> The location 2000000 is outside of the device /dev/sdb ... how can i tell which is the highest value i can use? |
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| 13:21.14 | g0rd0n | Disk /dev/sdb: 2000GB |
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| 13:21.53 | fasta | abrotman: gconf was the solution. |
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| 13:22.19 | abrotman | fasta: sorry it took so long, i agree with the one finger salute for messing with that stuff |
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| 13:23.21 | dhana013 | HI |
| 13:23.24 | fasta | abrotman: KDE4 gestures really work, btw. (the gestures part has never crashed, doesn't take a lot of CPU, and the recognition is 99.99% for me). |
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| 13:23.49 | fasta | That 0.01% was just user error. |
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| 13:23.54 | u1_ | Hi, I got an ecryptfs issue. Can I copy .Private to another user and take it over (read write)? |
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| 13:24.33 | dhana013 | Guys How to understand kernel PID sequence |
| 13:25.09 | VanDerSp1r | abrotman: Why I don't wanna wait is that I need this to be done rather fast. I'm a little behind in time, and I still got a ton of work with some scripts that needs to be written, after this is finished |
| 13:25.14 | dhana013 | I have seen ps -aux command show some PID process not listed why? |
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| 13:27.33 | abrotman | VanDerSp1r: ah okay .. then using proposed updates will be the quickest method |
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| 13:35.32 | nsadmin | success! I'm in the installer! |
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| 13:37.04 | woshty_ | is there a way to tell the kernel that there is another vga device that should be primary other than the one selected by the bios? |
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| 13:38.41 | oops | Is there a wysiwig for LaTeX? |
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| 13:40.09 | VanDerSp1r | "Download complete and in download only mode" |
| 13:40.13 | VanDerSp1r | Wonder if that's a good thing |
| 13:40.16 | babilen | oops: google "wysiwig latex" + install first hit + try it + repeat |
| 13:40.21 | VanDerSp1r | As there's still no mail |
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| 13:41.26 | willemb | ok, lets try again, now that I think I know more about what I am asking. Can someone here recommend a good hardware configuration management tool that is available in the debian repositories? |
| 13:42.12 | babilen | willemb: What kind of hardware do you want to manage? What does hardware management entail? |
| 13:42.17 | VanDerSp1r | What sort of hardware do you want to manage? Or do you just want a general tool like device manager in windows? |
| 13:42.59 | willemb | babilen: I want the model and serial for all hardware in all hosts on my network, and when last it changed. |
| 13:43.32 | VanDerSp1r | Willemb, go get PCWizard then |
| 13:43.37 | willemb | So I can do things like report on how frequently seagate drives are replaced, etc |
| 13:44.03 | babilen | willemb: Ok, I understand what you want/need now, but am not aware of such a tool. Sorry. |
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| 13:44.49 | VanDerSp1r | Do you want the program to tell you, or do you wanna report manually? |
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| 13:45.31 | willemb | VanDerSp1r: I don't want to have to manage 1500 individual installations, so it will have to report in somewhere |
| 13:45.56 | willemb | also, if a machine is down, I need to know what the serial numbers for all the disks are without switching it back on, based on alst time it reported in |
| 13:46.04 | VanDerSp1r | Alright. So now I also understand it. I'm afraid I don't know of a tool meeting the requirements either |
| 13:46.19 | willemb | pc-wizard, if it is the one from cpuid.com, seems very windows-ey |
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| 13:46.37 | VanDerSp1r | It's not windows only, as far as I know |
| 13:46.50 | woshty_ | willemb: you will have to make that tool on your own .. all linux? |
| 13:47.08 | willemb | and som freebsd |
| 13:47.10 | VanDerSp1r | Oh, it seems to be |
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| 13:48.03 | VanDerSp1r | willemb, have you checked alternativeto.net? |
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| 13:51.10 | willemb | VanDerSp1r: I have now. Not much help |
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| 13:52.29 | GuySoft | hey all, might anyone here have experience with setting a fedora chroot on debian? there seem to be many tools that are 'inspired' by debbootstrap, but they all seem to have problems |
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| 13:54.29 | fasta | GuySoft: why not a VM? |
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| 13:54.42 | mirak | hiu |
| 13:55.04 | nsadmin | GuySoft, set up partitions for it, then use fedora installer to install to those partitions, or maybe just one partition for / and then you can boot into it, or chroot into it, or use it as some kind of virtual gues |
| 13:55.04 | mirak | does anyone ever used the container type in mdadm ? |
| 13:55.05 | fasta | GuySoft: I am pretty sure you can download complete Fedora VMs. |
| 13:55.09 | nsadmin | t |
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| 13:56.31 | willemb | I would reccommend using vagrant |
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| 13:57.17 | GuySoft | because its a problem for the kind of system i need, its a massive build machine, a vm would be a major drag |
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| 13:57.40 | PeteS | I'm trying to install php5-dev. the latest version seems to be 5.4.1, but the latest version of php5/php5common is 5.4.1-rc1. how come the php5-dev version is higher than the packages it depends on? |
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| 13:58.03 | altin | Hello, can anyone tell me how can I block a user in its home directory |
| 13:58.15 | altin | so that he can not access any other directory |
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| 13:59.20 | themill | PeteS: they're not -- php 5.4.2 is in sid. |
| 13:59.21 | GuySoft | PeteS, what arch? |
| 13:59.31 | babilen | altin: That would mean that the user can't execute a single program on that box. What are you really trying to do? How do the users access the box? |
| 13:59.45 | altin | babilen |
| 13:59.48 | nsadmin | altin, this is a shell user? |
| 13:59.50 | altin | I am trying to make 3 users |
| 13:59.50 | GuySoft | PeteS, did you update recently? because on unstable its already 5.4.2 |
| 13:59.57 | altin | which have restricted rights |
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| 14:00.13 | altin | the can only vew their directory and work on their public_html |
| 14:00.16 | altin | nothing more |
| 14:00.21 | babilen | altin: I gathered as much -- Should they be able to run programs (such as, say, ls) ? |
| 14:00.22 | themill | PeteS: I'm guessing you need to either upgrade (or probably dist-upgrade). |
| 14:00.24 | nsadmin | give them each their own machine |
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| 14:00.30 | PeteS | the machine I'm on is wheezy/sid, but that's still unstable, right? repo is unstable main contrib non-free |
| 14:00.36 | altin | babilen, yes |
| 14:00.47 | altin | they should be working with ftp access probably... |
| 14:00.52 | babilen | altin: ls lives in /usr/bin though |
| 14:00.52 | themill | PeteS: yes |
| 14:01.02 | babilen | !tell altin -about scponly |
| 14:01.16 | babilen | altin: Something like that? Do they have local access as well? |
| 14:01.27 | virtuose | altin, i think you can just add /home/./userXX in your /etc/passwd |
| 14:01.27 | altin | and can I block a users home dir so that the other one cant access others |
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| 14:02.03 | virtuose | then the user will not be able to access others directories |
| 14:02.44 | altin | virtuose, can you please give me an example if you can ? |
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| 14:04.16 | virtuose | /etc/passwd -->anonymous:x:5501:5501::/home/./anonymous:/bin/bash |
| 14:04.46 | altin | aha ok |
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| 14:05.31 | virtuose | and then you chroot the ssh user |
| 14:05.38 | virtuose | this would probably do it |
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| 14:10.12 | altin | virtuose, chroot the ssh user ? |
| 14:10.17 | altin | I just did the first step |
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| 14:10.24 | altin | but I still can access / |
| 14:10.28 | altin | with those user |
| 14:10.49 | PeteS | thanks for the responses guys, didn't realize until you pointed it out, that I needed to do apt-get update :-) |
| 14:10.49 | apt | PeteS: bitte |
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| 14:11.00 | babilen | altin: Is scponly not what you are looking for? |
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| 14:11.37 | in0cula | I just installed linuxmint debian, is the same as debian? |
| 14:11.43 | babilen | no |
| 14:11.47 | babilen | !tell in0cula -about mint |
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| 14:12.16 | in0cula | babilen: what's the difference? |
| 14:12.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | On my VPS I want to use NginX, so I think I won't need Apache. Will that be okay to uninstall Apache? |
| 14:12.44 | altin | babilen, didnt check it yeat |
| 14:12.51 | altin | virtuose, team1:x:1005:1005:Team One,,,:/home/./team1:/bin/bash |
| 14:12.55 | altin | here is what I did |
| 14:13.06 | altin | yet* |
| 14:13.21 | babilen | in0cula: I don't know as I have never used mint. AFAIK there are a couple of differences when it comes to the UI. Why did you install it and not Debian? You might want to ask *them* what they changed. |
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| 14:13.25 | themill | Mohsen_Hassani: do take care not to delete dpkg or apt-get this time... |
| 14:13.43 | babilen | altin: I told you about it some time ago -- I have the feeling that it fits your needs and therefore pointed it out to you. |
| 14:13.54 | altin | aha |
| 14:13.56 | altin | ok babilen |
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| 14:14.03 | altin | I just needed something quick |
| 14:14.09 | altin | I dont really |
| 14:14.18 | altin | have time to read that much and figure out sth I dont know |
| 14:14.19 | altin | anyways |
| 14:14.23 | altin | I have to do it |
| 14:14.25 | altin | as it seems |
| 14:15.08 | in0cula | babilen: because this has a very nice interface and all is installed, very pratical |
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| 14:16.00 | babilen | in0cula: Ok. Please note that we don't support it in here and that you have to ask in their channel. Have a nice day and enjoy :) |
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| 14:16.19 | DigiDaz_ | Has anyone had any trouble using ssh recently, on two squeeze boxes I am having trouble logging in and this has also happened with a few ubuntu 10.04 boxes |
| 14:16.37 | in0cula | babilen: thank you!! w debian |
| 14:17.38 | DigiDaz_ | My problem is definitely not client side either as it fails if you ssh @localhost |
| 14:17.44 | ChrisH | DigiDaz_: Define "having trouble logging". Can you paste logs? |
| 14:18.45 | DigiDaz_ | Yep, sure, I will. |
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| 14:19.41 | Mohsen_Hassani | themill, gosh, you still remember :D well, I just wanted to switch to squeeze! My bad! |
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| 14:34.21 | BlueWolf | Hi. :D |
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| 14:34.39 | GuySoft | PeteS, you did an apt-get update right? |
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| 14:35.02 | DigiDaz_ | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/Dkiwj1Lv |
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| 14:35.15 | PeteS | GuySoft: yup, and I was able to install php5-dev. Unfortunately, xhprof seems to have an outstanding bug, and does not compile :-/ |
| 14:35.28 | DigiDaz_ | There isn't very much there, on the server side |
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| 14:37.36 | DigiDaz_ | The client sends the username, then immediately asks for a password, I enter the password then it waits a couple od minutesa nd fails |
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| 14:39.18 | ChrisH | DigiDaz_: As I assumed its Putty involved. On Solaris we had issues since some patches.Can you try from localhost using ssh -v ? |
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| 14:40.58 | DigiDaz_ | Sure, I will paste a log of a successful log on, -v from localhost. Strangely, if I start sshd -d I eventually get on so I will start a new one on another port |
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| 14:41.33 | nsadmin | wonder if this is about reverse dns |
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| 14:43.21 | hurtib | (I wanted to post this on #debian-next, but I would need to be invited...). I am using Wheezy and am going to work with Drupal. Does it make sense to start with drupal6 since drupal7 is taking over soon? |
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| 14:44.50 | DigiDaz_ | No, not reverse DNS, I have turned it off, this is crazy though, it has happened across multiple boxes. Ther is also a five page thread on linode where other people seem to be having exactly the same issue, I have used SSH for years, some of these boxes have been running years too, there have been no updates or anything. The box I am having problems with now has never had any issues |
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| 14:45.45 | DigiDaz_ | At first I thought it had to be my client but then I tried on ther boxes themselves |
| 14:46.28 | hurtib | how do I get into #debian-next |
| 14:46.31 | hurtib | ? |
| 14:46.41 | dvs | hurtib: it's on OFTC |
| 14:47.34 | GuySoft | PeteS, is that connected to the php5 packages? |
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| 14:47.41 | hurtib | dvs: thanks |
| 14:47.47 | dvs | np |
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| 14:49.08 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone here use rpmbootstrap? it seems to not work for me both on debian and fedora, same output: http://nopaste.dk/p5064 |
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| 14:50.57 | ksk | hey guys. |
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| 14:51.19 | ksk | do you know if theres an "imapsync" replacement in squeeze? |
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| 14:52.59 | DigiDaz_ | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/v6E2aCit this is an localhost |
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| 14:53.16 | PeteS | GuySoft: it's not clear… at least one of the errors seems to be with dealing with the zend optimizer stuff |
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| 14:54.50 | DigiDaz_ | Here is the server auth log for same login: http://pastebin.com/H5pCSb1m |
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| 14:55.58 | GuySoft | PeteS, if you paste errors it might help |
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| 14:56.32 | GuySoft | slaps rpmbootstrap with a large troute |
| 14:56.35 | GuySoft | trout |
| 14:56.43 | ChrisH | DigiDaz_: Where is your problem? I cannot see any errors in there and its Ubuntu not Debian as it looks like |
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| 14:57.53 | DigiDaz_ | Yes, thats right, this particular box is ubuntu, I have two debian squeeze with exactly the same problem. And I too cannot see any errors, other than it fails |
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| 14:58.11 | PeteS | GuySoft: http://pastebin.com/0JXuX5qs thanks for taking a look! it's relatively low priority for me so only bother if you're curious :-) |
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| 14:58.57 | ChrisH | DigiDaz_: WHAT fails? |
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| 14:59.04 | DigiDaz_ | The ssh login |
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| 14:59.29 | ChrisH | DigiDaz_: is it expected to use Password or keys ? |
| 14:59.36 | DigiDaz_ | Password |
| 15:00.16 | DigiDaz_ | I'm going to put a key on in a sec, see if that fixes it. |
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| 15:01.30 | DigiDaz_ | I'm trying to find something common here and the only thing I can find is that they are all debian based. It first cam to light a few days ago when nightly backups that used ssh started failing |
| 15:01.41 | boodie | Hi; anorher hint on regexps. I have a comma separated file, output from OO Calc. I need to add ' before and after any date in the format dd/mm/yyyy (i.e. from 10/02/2012 to '10/02/2012'). Thx |
| 15:01.56 | ChrisH | DigiDaz_: give a ssh -4 -v a try |
| 15:02.19 | DigiDaz_ | I will, what does the -4 do? |
| 15:02.25 | ChrisH | IP V4 only |
| 15:02.59 | BlueWolf | Is installing Debian as easy as installing Ubuntu 10.10? |
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| 15:03.38 | DigiDaz_ | Right, its sat there the same at the moment, just hanging after I have entered the password |
| 15:04.03 | ChrisH | BlueWolf: I personally find it easier. As I can do LVM and MD without using an extra disc |
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| 15:05.52 | BlueWolf | ChrisH: I mean does it take you through step by step and can it do a dual boot with windows 7. Reason I am asking is I am seriously considering moving onto it. |
| 15:05.54 | mirak | is there a channel for mdadm and raid ? |
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| 15:07.11 | ChrisH | BlueWolf: Yes. Thats how I did install my notebook with testing. |
| 15:07.52 | ChrisH | BlueWolf: Only trick is to manually install these firemware debs! |
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| 15:08.15 | rgr | ChrisH: you will probably have to run grub-update after booting to your new Debian install as whe I did it last the installer did not replace win 7 into the boot loader. |
| 15:08.53 | rgr | And learn how to use the module assistant for things like nvidia. Much better then the U word IMO. |
| 15:09.02 | BlueWolf | ChrisH: Thats the other problem I am not too sure on the Linux system because I have just moved onto it. |
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| 15:09.33 | ChrisH | rgr: might be right, but fixable. |
| 15:09.37 | rgr | BlueWolf: then move to one with good support. Ubuntu and Mint are possibiliites. Mint has a more mature user base IMO.Debian even more so. |
| 15:10.09 | ChrisH | BlueWolf: Well why not testing Ubuntu longer and if you learned more, move to Debian. |
| 15:10.31 | rgr | But Ubuntu is *far* more likely to work with newer HW since they just check everything it. its also more likely to fall over randomly too but thats another issue.. Differing Ubuntu releases have a wide range of stability ratings.. |
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| 15:11.26 | Iridos | we have the unofficial kmuto images with newer kernel and the regular-kernel firmware images... |
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| 15:11.37 | Iridos | hardware support mostly depends on kernel version |
| 15:11.56 | DigiDaz_ | ChrisH: Thanks for looking anyway, I guess I will watch that thread on Linode. I have added a key and it logs straight in. Luckily, all the boxes I am using, I can get access to in one way or another to do the same with. |
| 15:13.01 | Iridos | BlueWolf, try it and see... you might need an install image with firmware or even one with a newer kernel... |
| 15:13.10 | Iridos | dpkg, tell BlueWolf about kmuto |
| 15:13.20 | Iridos | dpkg, tell BlueWolf about firmware image |
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| 15:13.35 | BlueWolf | |
| 15:13.37 | Iridos | really depends on your hardware |
| 15:13.38 | BlueWolf | rgr - ChrisH: Well the reason why I want to leave Ubuntu is because it's soooo buggy and I am really sick of it. I really don't like the Unity as well. I tried Mint and it was just as buggy. I then found Debian which looked the most stable and well running linux?? Right? |
| 15:14.12 | ChrisH | rgr: I need to move to Debian Unstable to get my Notebook working. Ubuntu paniced. And I do not like that Unity at all. |
| 15:14.32 | ChrisH | BlueWolf: What HW are you operating on? |
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| 15:14.59 | rgr | Well, Stable doesnt mean "it works" per se.And it might not with your HW. That said its a known entity. And generally it IS "stable" as in "works". But you might need testing or even sid for your HW. Pulling backports in to stable is probably a step too far for you at the moment. Try stable and see! |
| 15:15.00 | mirak | does anyone ever tried to put RAID over LVM ? |
| 15:15.32 | rgr | Nothing is forcing you to use UNity I thought? |
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| 15:15.43 | rgr | LVM has its own mirroring. |
| 15:15.45 | mirak | actually I have LVM over a raid 0, however it limitates the possibilities to mix raid 1 and raid 0, and eventually reallocate the space between the two |
| 15:15.50 | BlueWolf | ChrisH: Core i3, 2GB Ram ddr3, intel motherboard, 240GT NVIDIA Graphic card |
| 15:16.02 | ChrisH | rgr: LVM has NO own mirroring! It needs MD below! |
| 15:16.07 | mirak | rgr: yes but it's not as good as mdadm |
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| 15:16.32 | rgr | ChrisM : it most certainly does have mirroring. |
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| 15:16.43 | rgr | whether its a diferent use of the word Im not sure as I never bothered with "real raid". |
| 15:16.48 | ChrisH | rgr: LVM on HPUX has its own mirroring |
| 15:17.19 | rgr | Whatever : http://www.tcpdump.com/kb/os/linux/lvm-mirroring/intro.html |
| 15:18.12 | BlueWolf | ChrisH: Why did you want to know my specks? |
| 15:18.20 | mirak | ChrisH: yes but it's not as good as mdadm |
| 15:21.16 | mirak | ChrisH: yes he is right LVM have it's own mirroring. the problem is that it requires a third disk to store the journal log. You can also mirror this journal on the two devices I have seen with --mirrorlog option, but they say it's not efficient. If each time it writes a block it needs to write in the log, the reason is easy to understand. mdadm system is better. They should integrate mdadm in LVM |
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| 15:21.54 | Jef91 | Is there a way to have synaptic sort to display on non-essential packages? Like optional packages that got pulled in with other things? |
| 15:22.43 | ajaykools | Hi, I am trying to do a netboot, I am following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en. On the client I get an arp error. What should I do? |
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| 15:23.02 | ChrisH | needs to rebuild his LVM World |
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| 15:28.33 | rgr | ChrisH: look, it has mirroring. What it "has below" is immaterial. The LVM UI supports mirroring between volumes as simple as that. |
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| 15:31.42 | ChrisH | rgr: That is the way the Veritas LVM at HPUX does it. And that was the example they used to build the Linux LVM. |
| 15:32.08 | rgr | I dont know what the issue it. LVM does mirroring eos. |
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| 15:35.15 | mirak | rgr: the issue is that you need a third drive to store the log, otherwise lvm will store the log in memory and will have to resync at each reboot |
| 15:35.30 | ChrisH | BlueWolf: Debian stable might not work on newer HW, so moving to testing is needed. and Core i3 might need testing. My core i5 needed even unstable one year ago. |
| 15:35.43 | rgr | That isnt an issue that was up for discussion. The statement was LVM does not do mirroring. It does. |
| 15:35.48 | mirak | rgr: you can use an option --mirrorlog but it's not good for performances |
| 15:35.53 | rgr | Sure |
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| 15:36.19 | mirak | rgr: that's an issue for me, in the originating question. but yes lvm does mirroring |
| 15:36.22 | rgr | I stopped all mirroring anyway since I moved all web sites to hostgator for peanuts and use git on github for all development files. |
| 15:36.34 | rgr | Just dont need it ;) |
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| 15:58.28 | Jef91 | Is there a way to have synaptic sort to display on non-essential packages? Like optional packages that got pulled in with other things? |
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| 16:05.09 | ajaykools | Hi, I am trying to do a netboot, I am following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en. On the client I get an arp error. What should I do? |
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| 16:09.33 | ChrisH | ajaykools: Thats how I did it too. Anyting in logfiles? |
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| 16:10.07 | ajaykools | ChrisH, No, nothing. I was looking into syslog. I have not setup dnsmasq |
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| 16:10.28 | ajaykools | ajaykools, and now I am setting up ltsp, which am repenting |
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| 16:12.23 | ChrisH | ajaykools: did you tcpdump/snoop the network traffic? Does the client asks for something? |
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| 16:13.09 | ajaykools | ChrisH, no it does not, it gets the DHCP lease and then just timesout |
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| 16:13.45 | ChrisH | DHCP must assign next-server and provide the File to load. Then its up to the client to request the file. |
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| 16:21.32 | ajaykools | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/167742/ |
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| 16:21.41 | ajaykools | the log of tcpdump |
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| 16:24.27 | ajaykools | ChrisH, I think I just need a dnsmasq |
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| 16:33.09 | ajaykools | ChrisH, what do you suggest? |
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| 16:47.17 | cusco | hi |
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| 16:47.31 | cusco | how do I set the niceness of a proccess just after executing it? |
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| 16:50.48 | dondelelcaro | cusco: with renice |
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| 16:53.08 | dondelelcaro | cusco: though normally, you'd run "nice foo" instead of trying to find the pid after executing foo and renicing it |
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| 16:58.26 | docbop | trying to setup squeeze/pxeboot/unattended install. I pops up the normal boot screen doesn't use the preseed.cfg in same directory as initrd.gz. What else do I need to config? |
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| 17:04.11 | cusco | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 17:08.57 | cusco | the higher nice value the less priority right? |
| 17:09.38 | gnarface | cusco: yes |
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| 17:11.40 | cusco | gah, stupid sox takes too much cpu |
| 17:11.50 | cusco | any other way to cap cpu usage by a proccess? |
| 17:11.53 | cusco | nice is not enough |
| 17:12.01 | cusco | on asterisk box, asterisk calls will have degraded audio |
| 17:13.14 | gnarface | cusco: there is actually some kernel mechanism that is supposed to be more efficient and reliable than nice (which is very old) but i don't know how to use it |
| 17:13.58 | gnarface | cusco: something to do with the scheduler or cpugroups or something maybe.. i forget exactly, sorry |
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| 17:17.47 | gnarface | cusco: also its probably relevant to mention that your audio hardware itself can have a huge impact on system load. cheaper soundcards like the ones found onboard motherboards these days are usually the soundcard equivalent of winmodems. slightly higher-end gear (like any creative labs live! series card which does hardware mixing) can remove a lot of the cpu load of audio processing |
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| 18:16.08 | b4h4 | what prophylaxis works should i do in debian to some slow-motion will disappear(like defragmentation in windows) |
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| 18:18.21 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 18:18.31 | gnarface | sounds like a babelfish translation |
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| 18:19.43 | JasonWoof | b4h4: good filesystems don't get very fragmented in the first place. also, in Linux there's more than one thing you can do to speed up your system, so there's no easy answer. |
| 18:20.13 | JasonWoof | b4h4: what kind of slowness do you have? when is it slow? how consistantly? etc |
| 18:20.36 | b4h4 | my firefox has slow work at last time |
| 18:20.49 | JasonWoof | b4h4: run chromium |
| 18:21.00 | jelly-home | b4h4: does it use a significant amount of memory? |
| 18:21.17 | jelly-home | b4h4: does the system go disk-busy? |
| 18:21.55 | b4h4 | no, i guess |
| 18:21.55 | JasonWoof | firefox has gotten a lot better over the years, but the linux version has always been less stable and speedy than the windows version |
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| 18:26.04 | b4h4 | <jelly-home>, i detect slow work of the system in total, recently |
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| 18:27.10 | b4h4 | jelly-home, so what shoult i start from |
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| 18:29.38 | lukash_ | Hi. How can i make my usb's to mount read only. I need to protect information on my PCs, so writeable USB drives need to be turened into readonly right after they plugged |
| 18:30.12 | jelly-home | b4h4: try to figure out what resource does the app experience a bottleneck situation with. It might be cpu, it might be disk access, it might be something harder to figure out |
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| 18:31.30 | jelly-home | b4h4: with browsers, it's often worth to exclude plugins from the picture first, so you might install something like FlashBlock or NoScript and restart the browser |
| 18:31.45 | jelly-home | or disable plugins one by one |
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| 18:34.10 | b4h4 | jelly-home, ok thanks |
| 18:34.24 | simonlnu | lukash_: they used to have lockable ones |
| 18:34.39 | simonlnu | a la floppy. flip a switch |
| 18:35.57 | b4h4 | jelly-home, how do send message to a particular user in irc, by typing his name or by copy, or there simple way to do this |
| 18:36.13 | b4h4 | jelly-home, in XChat |
| 18:36.46 | divbell | b4h4, have you read the fine manual? |
| 18:36.54 | ompaul | b4h4: it is easy, but note, it is considered rude to do so without having permission first. /msg b4h4 message goes here |
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| 18:38.44 | b4h4 | ompaul, ok |
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| 18:39.51 | b4h4 | divbell, where can i find it? |
| 18:40.21 | jelly-home | also, right click on their name, Open Dialog Window, type in there |
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| 18:40.54 | jelly-home | b4h4: Help -> Contents (opens in a web browser) |
| 18:41.11 | mongo | lukash_: you san set persistant rules in udev |
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| 18:41.38 | lukash_ | mongo, sounds good. I'll try. Thank you |
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| 18:43.03 | divbell | b4h4, https://www.google.com/search?q=xchat+documentation |
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| 18:43.38 | divbell | you can lead a nick to docs but you can't make him read. |
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| 18:44.41 | metaphysician | the `serif' font rocks |
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| 19:01.07 | gspr | Stupid question: If I need to go through the entire build process multiple times with different flags to build different binaries from the same source with CDBS, what package should I look to for guidance? |
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| 19:02.02 | Zal | Are debian package names allowed to contain multiple hyphens, e.g. "apt-get install foo-bar-baz" ? |
| 19:02.43 | Zal | I have a package called foo-bar-baz, and "apt-cache search foo" is returning "foo-baz", so I'm trying to debug |
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| 19:03.04 | Zal | any hints appreciated |
| 19:03.27 | Yeretik | Can anybody help me with my debmirror ? http://pastebin.ca/2145367 How can i tell it to do not download i18n files ? |
| 19:04.35 | ompaul_ | Zal: yes |
| 19:04.47 | ompaul_ | Zal: yes they are allowed proof ruby-action |
| 19:04.52 | ompaul_ | search for that |
| 19:05.08 | ompaul_ | (mind you it would be a very broken paradigm that stopped after one - |
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| 19:06.28 | Zal | ompaul_, I get no results for ruby-action, but I believe you, just making sure it's not something silly like that. Note that my results do not stop after one hyphen, but include only the first and last portions of the name, skipping the *middle* section. I assume that my scripting which adds the package to the repository is at fault. The package is named correctly in the repo directory, but maybe not in the package list? |
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| 19:06.53 | ompaul_ | Zal: you get everything, it is not that badly written |
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| 19:07.10 | Zal | ompaul_, good to know, thanks for the verification :-) |
| 19:07.15 | ompaul_ | Zal: if you make it badly, it will behave badly :) |
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| 19:07.34 | Zal | sure. Do you think this sounds like a package list vs package name discrepancy? |
| 19:07.39 | Yeretik | How can i avoid to download translation (i18n) with debmirror ? |
| 19:07.40 | Yeretik | http://pastebin.ca/2145367 |
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| 19:08.38 | Zal | hm, indeed packages.gz shows the package name as "foo-baz" |
| 19:08.39 | ompaul_ | Zal: it seems that something does not match. |
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| 19:09.01 | Zal | now I just have to figure out what the heck generates packages.gz |
| 19:09.02 | HashBanana | hi, my intel 82579lm fails probing with error -2. details: http://pastebin.com/Y28F1FRi what do i do now? i need this nic working :( |
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| 19:10.21 | korkom | ciao a tutti |
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| 19:10.59 | korkom | ciao |
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| 19:16.07 | oops | After upgrading my wheezy today, iceweasel is crashing everytime I launch it. |
| 19:16.15 | oops | It just quits without any errors. |
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| 19:17.38 | nkuttler | hrm, is there some way to quickly format a vfat partition? mkfs.vfat is taking quite long |
| 19:17.44 | oops | I get this error in the shell when I launch it from shell: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-11.0/libxul.so: symbol SSL_RestartHandshakeAfterAuthCertificate, version NSS_3.13.2 not defined in file libssl3.so.1d with link time reference |
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| 19:17.48 | n-iCe | What's the tool name in Debian to format USB's? |
| 19:18.00 | nkuttler | n-iCe: mkfs |
| 19:18.28 | n-iCe | nkuttler: but the package name? |
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| 19:18.51 | nkuttler | n-iCe: try ls -l /sbin/mkfs |
| 19:20.29 | n-iCe | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6960 Jan 25 2011 /sbin/mkfs |
| 19:20.45 | nkuttler | n-iCe: which filesystem do you want to use? |
| 19:20.46 | n-iCe | The thing is always I format a USB I get a error, and Debian does not recognize my USB again |
| 19:20.52 | n-iCe | nkuttler: well FAT |
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| 19:21.08 | nkuttler | n-iCe: unplug, tail -f /var/log/messages, plugin in, read the log |
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| 19:23.29 | nkuttler | n-iCe: your disk should show up, without errors. check? |
| 19:23.30 | oops | can someone explain why iceweasel 11.0 is installed on my system even though the priority for 10.0 is higher? http://pastebin.com/ZyRExiwa ? |
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| 19:24.33 | nkuttler | oops: you installed it manually? |
| 19:24.40 | oops | nkuttler, no |
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| 19:24.53 | oops | nkuttler, I always install using aptitude |
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| 19:26.25 | nkuttler | oops: well there's no 11.0 in wheezy. must have gotten it from somewhere else |
| 19:27.33 | oops | nkuttler, I used the configuration suggested here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 19:27.55 | nkuttler | oops: which release do you use? |
| 19:28.05 | nkuttler | debian release |
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| 19:28.30 | oops | nkuttler, Debian: testing (Wheezy), install: Iceweasel, vesion: release |
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| 19:28.38 | oops | deb http://your-mirror.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 19:29.14 | nkuttler | oops: anyway. do you want to get rid of 11 and install 10 or? |
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| 19:31.48 | Zal | is there a standard tool that creates Packages.gz in an apt repository? |
| 19:32.36 | zer0x00 | I have installed debian this evening. And the problem is with rtl8187. After first couple of updates Network manager says "device is not supported" but it WAS suported. I used it for installation and it worked well after first system run. What can I do with it now? |
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| 19:33.13 | ompaul_ | zer0x00: uname -a tells you what? |
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| 19:33.57 | zer0x00 | ompaul_: hard to say... im on other system now |
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| 19:34.37 | noobler | Hi, i'm setting up a pptp vpn, and i've got a question regarding the "remote ip" configuration parameter. Does anybody know what that remote ip is? is it what gets assigned to the client's virtual interface, or is it a whitelist of ip's to accept connections from? |
| 19:34.46 | ompaul_ | zer0x00: cos I was hoping to work out what version of debian you were working with |
| 19:34.52 | Zal | for example, in my apt repository, I have a bunch of .debs, as well as files named "Packages", "Packages.gz", and "Packages.bz2". Does anyone know where these Package* files are coming from? |
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| 19:34.59 | ompaul_ | noobler: pptp is broken use openvpn |
| 19:35.03 | zer0x00 | It is debian 6.0.4 with first kernel update |
| 19:35.22 | noobler | ompaul_: i cant, openvpn , or rather a tun device isnt supported by my VPS |
| 19:35.31 | ompaul_ | zer0x00: stick a wire in it and make sure it has been done apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:35.46 | noobler | perhaps there's something else i could use? |
| 19:35.50 | ompaul_ | ssh |
| 19:36.02 | zer0x00 | I used update manager |
| 19:36.14 | rainfyre | Hi everyone. I'm wondering if there's any important difference between my sources.list reading "http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etc etc etc" or "http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etc etc etc ??" |
| 19:36.15 | noobler | ompaul_: isnt that a very unstable tunnel? |
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| 19:36.25 | noobler | in the sense, how does it get brought back up if it falls? |
| 19:36.36 | ompaul_ | noobler: you can force it to restart |
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| 19:37.45 | ompaul_ | noobler: also tun and tap are both supported by openvpn |
| 19:38.02 | ompaul_ | noobler: and if you can't do those its a rubbish vps |
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| 19:39.31 | ompaul_ | zer0x00: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade if it advises you to dpkg --configure -a you do that |
| 19:40.07 | ompaul_ | rainfyre: no, just don't dupe them |
| 19:40.07 | rainfyre | ompaul_: do you prefer apt-get to aptitude? |
| 19:40.26 | ompaul_ | rainfyre: the ballot is now closed and no further reports will be issued |
| 19:40.28 | zer0x00 | ok I have recorded |
| 19:40.29 | ompaul_ | :) apt-get |
| 19:40.35 | rainfyre | ompaul_: thank you, I never noticed the discrepancy before |
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| 19:40.48 | rainfyre | :) fair enough |
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| 19:41.00 | mongo | zer0x00: you may want to add non-free to the sources.list line, it may not have the firmware for tha device |
| 19:41.10 | rainfyre | I apt-get out of habit :) |
| 19:41.27 | mongo | look in dmesg and see if it is borking on the fw upload |
| 19:41.49 | rainfyre | I'm wondering where flashplugin-nonfree is, I apt-get install it and there are no candidates.. I have the contrib and non-free repos in my sources.list |
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| 19:42.16 | zer0x00 | but this driver were already there? Device worked well till updates |
| 19:42.18 | ompaul_ | rainfyre: perhaps pastebin in the debian pastebin of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:42.40 | rainfyre | ok |
| 19:42.48 | ompaul_ | zer0x00: how about you check for the contrib non-free lines in your sources.list |
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| 19:43.17 | rainfyre | fresh squeeze install, no pastebinit yet :p |
| 19:43.44 | zer0x00 | I must change system first. Its one computer with two disks. |
| 19:45.18 | mongo | rainfyre: it is in the contrib repo which is not configured by default |
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| 19:45.20 | rainfyre | ompaul_: http://pastebin.com/VF0zsxbE |
| 19:45.44 | rainfyre | mongo: thank you, here's a pastebin of my sources.list, doesn't that look right? |
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| 19:47.07 | Zal | found the problem: package was misnamed in the .deb control file. |
| 19:47.12 | mongo | hrm, it should be, mine is similar and i have flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:47.45 | rainfyre | mongo: yeah exactly, I just did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ... never had this happen before |
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| 19:48.02 | mongo | rainfyre: run $ sudo aptitiude clean ; sudo aptitude update |
| 19:48.08 | rainfyre | mongo: ok |
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| 19:49.36 | HashBanana | hi, my intel 82579lm fails probing with error -2. details: http://pastebin.com/Y28F1FRi what do i do now? i need this nic working :( |
| 19:49.57 | habeeb | Bijor ! |
| 19:50.07 | rainfyre | mongo: ok, arion@snow:~$ sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:50.07 | rainfyre | No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:50.27 | rainfyre | mongo: no worries, I'll just download the .deb, I just wonder what the heck the deal is |
| 19:50.32 | habeeb | add multimedia depot |
| 19:50.38 | rainfyre | mongo: I wonder if it's because I'm on a ppc? |
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| 19:51.40 | slidesinger | Anyone ever have to connect to an address beginning with ftps:// ? Looking for a tool to do so. |
| 19:51.44 | ompaul_ | rainfyre: yes it is |
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| 19:52.03 | ompaul_ | slidesinger: konqueror |
| 19:52.22 | slidesinger | ompaul_: Thanks. |
| 19:52.31 | rainfyre | ompaul_: jeez. that almost had me stymied :) |
| 19:52.31 | habeeb | or use filezilla... or mount a folder via nautilus |
| 19:52.40 | rainfyre | ompaul_: thank you again |
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| 19:52.42 | ompaul_ | slidesinger: actually if you can do that, fish:// the box is better |
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| 19:53.21 | slidesinger | ompaul_: thanks again. |
| 19:53.26 | ompaul_ | slidesinger: np |
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| 19:54.13 | mongo | rainfyre: oh yes, no flash for ppc, adobe hasn't made one for years |
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| 19:54.48 | rainfyre | mongo: heh :) ahh well, at least I provide a little entertainment from time to time.. :) |
| 19:54.50 | mongo | rainfyre: adobe dropped ppc support when apple dropped ppc support IIRC |
| 19:55.02 | rainfyre | mongo: screw apple anyway |
| 19:55.43 | mongo | I just gave away my g4 mini two weekends ago heh |
| 19:56.43 | rainfyre | oh man!! I'm on a g4 powerbook. Squeeze rocks on this thing!! |
| 19:56.58 | gnarface | :( my power cable lit on fire for my g4 powerbook |
| 19:57.11 | nkuttler | my g4 powerbook just died..# |
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| 19:57.21 | rainfyre | alright I'm back to work, have a lovely afternoon/evening everyone :) |
| 19:57.28 | ompaul_ | gnarface: I'd bet it was a really stylish fire, apple are known for fire. |
| 19:57.32 | ompaul_ | or style |
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| 19:57.41 | ompaul_ | or something :) |
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| 19:57.58 | trysten | i need help finding the BRCMSMAC symbol in Kconfig! |
| 19:58.01 | rainfyre | gnarface: nkuttler awwwwww... |
| 19:58.11 | rainfyre | heh |
| 19:58.32 | trysten | i'm sure it's there, but i can't enable it! |
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| 20:02.09 | Quakz | A couple of my servers keep hanging while doing apt-get it comes to this: http://pastebin.com/Y1EDCeRz and hangs for hours. |
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| 20:07.12 | trysten | hangs on line 15? |
| 20:07.31 | bensons | Quakz: do you see which process actually hangs? |
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| 20:07.53 | Quakz | Yes it hangs on line 15. |
| 20:08.02 | Quakz | bensons: how would I be able to see that? |
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| 20:08.20 | bensons | Quakz: via ps? |
| 20:08.27 | trysten | Quakz: htop. does it ever finish at all? or to you have to end it? |
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| 20:09.51 | Quakz | trysten: I have to finish it. |
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| 20:14.33 | Quakz | bensons: http://pastebin.com/4wnsZpqL here is a ps from one of the servers |
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| 20:15.34 | superdmp | hi, I have an old Debian 5 server that I need to tidy up before I upgrade; apt-get update gives me: http://dpaste.com/744408/ |
| 20:16.10 | superdmp | why are those URLs not being found? it is because the resources have permanently moved? |
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| 20:16.39 | somiaj | !tell superdmp -about lenny sources.list |
| 20:17.00 | abrotman | !tell superdmp about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:17.19 | superdmp | thanks guys |
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| 20:18.32 | superdmp | I am reluctant to try to run an upgrade - I did it recently on an Ubuntu server, and it wrecked it |
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| 20:19.01 | abrotman | Debian is not Ubuntu |
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| 20:19.34 | abrotman | superdmp: should also point out that Lenny no longer has security support |
| 20:19.37 | superdmp | abrotman: I know, but a wrecked server is a wrecked server |
| 20:19.44 | bensons | Quakz: hm looks like your grub-probe hangs on IO |
| 20:20.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 20:20.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to find the notes on the latest iceweasel |
| 20:20.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | in repo |
| 20:21.03 | abrotman | superdmp: as opposed to a cracked server ? |
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| 20:22.37 | somiaj | superdmp: make sure you read that lenny->squeeze upgrade info abrotman sent you. You want to do things in a very paticular order (cause of adding in of udev) |
| 20:23.13 | somiaj | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:23.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm its getting it from mozilla |
| 20:23.19 | Quakz | bensons: what should I do with that? the apt-get upgrade runs in a screen |
| 20:23.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | their repo |
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| 20:24.19 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
| 20:24.43 | thewanderer1 | how does one change the e-mail date in Evolution? or should a different mail client be used? (which one has that feature?) |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | the date? |
| 20:26.00 | bensons | Quakz: you had issues with your harddisk? |
| 20:26.22 | somiaj | why do you want to change the email date? I'm sure you can spoof the header if you want, but that seems like a strange request. |
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| 20:26.49 | Quakz | bensons: Not at all. The servers is setup with a raid-10 |
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| 20:27.35 | deni | does anyone here use supervisor and can tell me is it possible to allow a non root user to restart their own process (and only that one) |
| 20:27.37 | deni | ? |
| 20:28.15 | deni | i know i can manage this with the sudoers file giving the non root user to execute only that one command but i don't like that soluction |
| 20:28.34 | deni | i think that supervisor should be able to do this but i'm just doing something wrong and don't know what |
| 20:28.44 | bensons | Quakz: well very strange. i had similar issues when running update-grub where the modload just hung in state D with a hardware raid 5 |
| 20:29.00 | deni | i am using [fscgi-program:name] secion when defining my process |
| 20:29.10 | deni | and am starting the process as the non-root suer |
| 20:29.12 | deni | *user |
| 20:29.14 | bensons | Quakz: my solution was to reboot as the process was - as implied - unkillable |
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| 20:29.21 | bs0d | Hello everybody |
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| 20:29.29 | deni | but when i do supervisorctl status as that non-root user i get permission denied |
| 20:29.31 | bs0d | how to set line-break sequence in gedit? |
| 20:29.38 | deni | can anyone shed some light on this issue? |
| 20:29.39 | bs0d | I couldn't find this setting |
| 20:29.57 | bs0d | is there any alternative editor that I can use to set the linebreak symbols? |
| 20:30.00 | krion | deni: supervisord is a process itself |
| 20:30.05 | mkfmn | hey bs0d, I like jEdit |
| 20:30.16 | mkfmn | apt-get install jedit |
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| 20:30.54 | Quakz | bensons: Hmm yes that is very strange.. But thank you for the info. I would like to avoid to restart the servers, but that must be the last solution to the problem. |
| 20:31.07 | krion | deni: not sure you can do what you want except running it as the specified user |
| 20:31.12 | deni | krion: yes and it's running as root |
| 20:31.31 | deni | but the process it's managing is running as the non-root user |
| 20:31.45 | bensons | Quakz: would be interesting if you find the root cause, i could not find a solution.. |
| 20:31.57 | krion | yes, but it's running "inside" supervisord, so.. |
| 20:32.20 | deni | why the option to run the processess as different user's then? |
| 20:32.30 | krion | because, can be usefull |
| 20:33.29 | krion | in specific case, did you have a look at the :9001 managing interface ? |
| 20:33.48 | krion | deni: not sure it's not possible, but the way i use you can't do it the way you want |
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| 20:35.24 | bs0d | mkfmn: Thank you. But how to set linebreak symbol there? |
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| 20:36.30 | Quakz | bensons: Will investigate some more, but I've used a lot of hours on it, think I will resort to restarting the servers :/ |
| 20:36.42 | deni | krion: not sure about the :9001 i'm not running it on http...just unix socket |
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| 20:37.05 | krion | ok, may be the webadmin could help your case |
| 20:37.26 | krion | deni: or you could try to run supervisord as the user you want, but imho it would not work |
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| 20:38.29 | bensons | Quakz: but in your case its always the grub-probe? |
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| 20:39.27 | Quakz | bensons: yes it seems like it |
| 20:39.41 | deni | krion: it wold not work...i have multiple users |
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| 20:40.29 | deni | krion: oh well..i'll just have to do the workaround...diry workaraond in my opinion...i'll edit the sudoers file and give the user permission to just restart his own process |
| 20:40.40 | deni | i works but like i said i don't like it very much |
| 20:40.55 | bensons | Quakz: hm ok, googleing for grub-probe and hang reveals some issues there... maybe it helps for you |
| 20:41.20 | Quakz | bensons: yeah thats what I'm doing right now :) |
| 20:42.02 | krion | deni: imho it's your only option |
| 20:42.39 | deni | krion: yeah it would appear so. tnx |
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| 20:43.26 | krion | deni: you could try to run one supervisord by user, if possible |
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| 20:45.27 | krion | deni: not possible, i just try :) |
| 20:45.50 | krion | sudo would be better |
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| 20:49.34 | deni | krion: yeah that's not possible |
| 20:49.44 | deni | sudo is going to work just fine for now. |
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| 20:58.09 | Quakz | bensons: my server host advises me to reinstall the GRUB - do you think that would solve the problem? |
| 20:59.06 | bensons | Quakz: well i think it will hang just as the other process does :) |
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| 20:59.27 | Quakz | Yea, you are probably right about that. |
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| 21:11.14 | FelipeAbella | hi, does anyone have a suggestion for a personal organizer that always shows in desktop? (Like gkrellm, and so) |
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| 21:11.43 | FelipeAbella | evolution is great, but i'd like something that shows at the desktop, like a dock |
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| 21:12.36 | darknop | how do I get dpkg development things? |
| 21:13.18 | nvz | uh, what? |
| 21:13.47 | nvz | the package dpkg-dev is part of build-essential if thats what you mean |
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| 21:20.33 | docbop | debian squeeze pxeboot doesn |
| 21:20.52 | docbop | 't find preseed.cfg where should it be??? |
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| 21:24.22 | darknop | I want dpkg-buildpackag |
| 21:24.27 | nvz | just downloads the netboot.tar.gz or w/e and untarrs it |
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| 21:25.13 | nvz | darknop: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 21:25.48 | darknop | already installed |
| 21:25.55 | nvz | then you're good to go |
| 21:26.05 | nvz | ,depends build-essential |
| 21:26.07 | judd | Package build-essential in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5). |
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| 21:26.35 | nvz | yep, that pulls in dpkg-dev which contains dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:26.37 | darknop | got it |
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| 21:28.36 | altin | how can I add only the hhome directory for an existing user ? |
| 21:28.36 | altin | besides mkdir command |
| 21:29.27 | nvz | o.O |
| 21:29.38 | nvz | !wayttd altin |
| 21:29.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, altin? |
| 21:30.08 | altin | I acidentaly deleted the home dirs :S |
| 21:30.17 | nvz | then recreate them with mkdir |
| 21:30.33 | Iridos | restore from backups? |
| 21:30.43 | altin | they were empty though |
| 21:30.52 | altin | but then the owner will be root |
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| 21:31.03 | altin | then I have to chown them ? |
| 21:31.06 | nvz | mkdir -P /home/user/; chown user:user /home/user |
| 21:31.15 | altin | thanks :) |
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| 21:32.21 | Iridos | and then copy /etc/skel/ |
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| 21:34.25 | nvz | well if you were gonna do all that, you could've just used usermod.. heh |
| 21:34.52 | nvz | usermod -d user /home/user |
| 21:35.02 | nvz | should create the dir and copy /etc/skel IIRC |
| 21:35.40 | nvz | erm other way around |
| 21:35.46 | nvz | usermod -d /home/user user |
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| 21:43.37 | altin | Does any of you know how can I do a safely jail users to their home dirs without making a mes like I last did by ending up with all deleted homedirs XD ? |
| 21:44.21 | Iridos | well, overall you don't because that doesn't make any sense |
| 21:44.23 | altin | nvz: |
| 21:44.25 | nvz | altin: in order to do that you'd have to provide an entire environment for them including all applications, and libraries |
| 21:44.51 | altin | I have read something about that |
| 21:45.01 | altin | its just that i cant really find something that works... |
| 21:45.01 | nvz | altin: if you did so by bind mounting, you achieved nothing, if you do so by debootstrap or such you wind up wasting several gigabytes on each user for a whole new installation |
| 21:45.08 | Iridos | they only have write access to their home dir (and /tmp and possibly a couple of other places) but they do _need_ read access to the programs they have to use and to /etc/passwd and some other stuff |
| 21:45.15 | altin | there are so many tutorials and each is different |
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| 21:45.25 | nvz | altin: the system works as-is.. users cannot modify anything outside their homedir and their tmp dir |
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| 21:45.49 | altin | but they can access others dirs.. |
| 21:45.51 | nvz | altin: you likely screwed up cause you were using the root user.. thats different |
| 21:45.57 | nvz | altin: read-only access |
| 21:46.04 | nvz | altin: which is required to use the system |
| 21:46.07 | Iridos | the question is what you want to achieve |
| 21:46.13 | altin | nvz but if I do 700 to a home dir then public_html wont work |
| 21:46.31 | Iridos | altin, that only needs a+x, though |
| 21:46.45 | altin | I need to create some 3 users which cant get out of their home dir |
| 21:46.52 | Iridos | public_html itself needs a+rx, I think |
| 21:47.02 | altin | but they can do whatever on their dir |
| 21:47.25 | Iridos | altin, as I already told you at length, "can't get out of their home directory" doesn't really make any sense |
| 21:47.51 | nvz | a user that is jailed to homedir cannot even login because they cannot access their shell |
| 21:47.59 | karlpinc | altin: Although, you may want to use lxc to do something like what you want. |
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| 21:48.58 | thewanderer1 | altin: you can use namespaces with per-user directories (PAM should have a module for that) and tmpfs mounts |
| 21:48.59 | karlpinc | !tell altin about lxc |
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| 21:49.21 | altin | hmmm |
| 21:49.35 | altin | im not familiar with these though |
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| 21:49.54 | thewanderer1 | time to do your research, then |
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| 21:50.09 | altin | yes.. :/ |
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| 21:50.37 | lusers | Is there a judd command for versions in squeeze/wheezy/sid? |
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| 21:50.58 | thewanderer1 | lusers: like "versions"? :P |
| 21:51.06 | nvz | heh |
| 21:51.18 | lusers | versions gedit |
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| 21:51.26 | lusers | ,versions gedit |
| 21:51.27 | judd | Package: gedit on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 2.30.4-1squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.6-1; sid: 3.4.1-2 |
| 21:51.28 | nvz | versions shows the versions of a package in all branches including backports and updates |
| 21:51.40 | nvz | lusers: /msg judd versions gedit |
| 21:51.46 | lusers | thewanderer1: Thank you. |
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| 21:52.01 | lusers | nvz: Already on it. gedit was a dry run. :) |
| 21:52.15 | PhoenixSTF | does anyone here has ispconfig installed? |
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| 21:52.27 | PhoenixSTF | and have issues with php not doing includes? |
| 21:52.32 | nvz | lusers: if it doesnt show a branch, thats because it doesnt exist in that branch.. which is why gedit showed no backports |
| 21:52.52 | nvz | PhoenixSTF: go fish.. |
| 21:53.00 | nvz | !anyone |
| 21:53.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:53.43 | Iridos | altin, the simple way to do this is to set chmod go-r /home/* and chmod a+x /home/* and make sure users umask is so that all files/directories they make aren't accessible to others either |
| 21:53.59 | PhoenixSTF | I have issue with ispconfig with php, it is not doing includes and is not running most of the script in issue |
| 21:54.27 | nvz | logs usually clue an admin in on such issues |
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| 22:04.00 | burek | hi, why is pure-ftpd in debian so complicated to configure |
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| 22:04.16 | burek | is there any way I can only save one long cmd line with all the options and run it like that |
| 22:04.27 | burek | to avoid all the hell with /etc/pure-ftpd/config.d |
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| 22:04.42 | burek | where I have to create one file for each option.. |
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| 22:06.25 | gnarface | burek: i can't answer your question but you should know that there are better, more secure, easier to configure options |
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| 22:07.02 | burek | gnarface, where? |
| 22:07.16 | gnarface | burek: openssh |
| 22:07.23 | jhutchins_lt | !freewhcp |
| 22:07.27 | jhutchins_lt | !free whcp |
| 22:07.27 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 22:08.03 | jhutchins_lt | ispconfig should come with a diagnostic that checks the settings of your php configuration for compatibility. |
| 22:08.18 | burek | gnarface, what does openssh has got to do with pure-ftpd? |
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| 22:08.39 | burek | have* |
| 22:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | burek: It's a better, more secure way to transfer files. |
| 22:09.03 | burek | well my customer requires ftp |
| 22:09.07 | burek | it's not like I can choose |
| 22:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, an ftp server is a great way to get a look at the latest rootkits. |
| 22:09.42 | burek | what are you talking about? |
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| 22:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | I'll bet your customer doesn't require it. Mine don't, and they're pretty unsophisticated. |
| 22:09.57 | gnarface | burek: its my experience that your customer probably only requires ftp-style *interface* and won't give a shit what the server is. recommand an scp/sftp capable popular ftp program (that they may already be using) like filezilla or winftp and you can solve all 3 problems here at once, not just the one you percieve |
| 22:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, heading home. |
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| 22:10.57 | gnarface | burek: stated another way - the limitation you perceive in openssh server is *actually* a limitation in your chosen client software |
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| 22:11.23 | gnarface | burek: and in fact (as stated previously) may not even be an actual limitation there. its not common knowledge that most popular ftp clients are sftp/scp capable |
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| 22:13.02 | gnarface | burek: see most people see ssh/scp and think "omg no i'm not gonna fuckin transfer files by command-line" but that's not actually required, and its stupid to assume that ftp *protocol* dictates ftp client *interface* in any way, and its even more stupid to assume that such interfaces are *ONLY* available for decades-old insecure protocols |
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| 22:14.37 | gnarface | burek: i think you'll also find it hard to get decent support for shitty ftp-only servers because most people ditch them from their infrastructure rather quickly once they gain any amount of applicable technical competence |
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| 22:15.42 | burek | man.. |
| 22:16.05 | burek | I appreciate your concern about my misinformance |
| 22:16.08 | burek | miss* |
| 22:16.19 | burek | but I just need a way to start pure-ftpd more easy in debian |
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| 22:16.33 | burek | without hassling around with /etc/pure-ftp/conf.d/ |
| 22:16.49 | burek | I don't care if they get hacked, it's their choice |
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| 22:17.17 | gnarface | burek: well part of the reason i'm trying to change your mind about this is because openssh's documentation for accomplishing this is also clearer and better, and the configuration style i'm sure is simpler |
| 22:17.19 | burek | I just can't believe that a simple concept of: pure-ftpd -option1 -option2 ... |
| 22:17.34 | burek | has been replaced with some "i don't know how to call it" concept |
| 22:17.39 | burek | with ridiculous options |
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| 22:17.53 | burek | in a directory where each file represents one option in cmd line.. |
| 22:17.55 | burek | why? |
| 22:17.55 | Iridos | so what are you doing right now |
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| 22:18.37 | gnarface | burek: did you read all the files in the /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd* directories? |
| 22:18.52 | kidoARG | hello world ! does someone have a samsung syncmaster 2233 monitor ? |
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| 22:18.58 | burek | I'm just asking a simple why |
| 22:19.07 | burek | if it is so hard to answer |
| 22:19.08 | burek | then ok |
| 22:19.23 | kidoARG | i need the binary file wich contains the edid |
| 22:19.31 | gnarface | burek: well i don't know the answer to that any more than i know why people still stubbornly refuse to stop using the shit |
| 22:19.59 | Bronze | !perl |
| 22:19.59 | dpkg | Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ #perl on irc.freenode.net. See also <dh-make-perl>. |
| 22:19.59 | burek | gnarface, as I said, I appreciate your suggestions and I understand what you are saying |
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| 22:20.11 | gnarface | burek: i know you don't believe me, but "use some other program" *was* actually the simplest answer i had for you |
| 22:20.17 | burek | but this issue is not about my choice of server software |
| 22:20.31 | burek | but rather about easing the configuration of that ftpd |
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| 22:20.54 | gnarface | burek: well, i'm sure the package docs have contact info for the developers. i'd recommend you send them an email. |
| 22:21.04 | burek | when I decide to run my own ftpd, I'll most probably search for openssl and read about it |
| 22:21.13 | gnarface | burek: openssh* |
| 22:21.14 | Bronze | iHi, -make-perl the current 'best practice' for installing perl modules onto a debian system ? |
| 22:21.21 | burek | gnarface, developers have got nothing to do with this |
| 22:21.28 | gnarface | burek: oh? |
| 22:21.30 | kidoARG | nobody has a samsung syncmaster 2233? |
| 22:21.33 | Bronze | oops - sorry, should read dh-make-perl |
| 22:21.41 | burek | debian team has changed a simple way of command line options into some nonsense I can't understand |
| 22:21.47 | gnarface | kidoARG: ask in #hardware maybe |
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| 22:22.00 | burek | I'm just asking why they did that |
| 22:22.21 | gnarface | burek: the package should have a contact email for the debian maintainer(s) that package this software for debian as well |
| 22:22.33 | gnarface | burek: they probably have a good reason |
| 22:22.46 | gnarface | burek: and its probably already explained in /usr/share/doc/[package name] |
| 22:23.00 | burek | for example, instead of running: /usr/bin/pure-ftpd --dontresolve I have to create a file in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/DontResolve |
| 22:23.06 | burek | and enter the text "yes" |
| 22:23.11 | burek | and restart the ftpd.. |
| 22:23.13 | burek | why.. |
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| 22:23.38 | altin | I cant seem to find http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/download/osshChroot-4.2p1.diff |
| 22:23.50 | altin | it has been removed or whatever.. does anyone have it ? |
| 22:23.52 | Iridos | burek, well... aptitude changelog pure-ftpd but bear in mind that debian only packages stuff they don't write it. Changes can as well come from the authors |
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| 22:25.00 | burek | Iridos, pure-ftp website, man and all their docs don't ever mention /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/ |
| 22:25.11 | burek | it's a debian thing, which I can't understand |
| 22:25.32 | burek | why changing something simple as command line options into something a lot less convenient |
| 22:26.22 | Iridos | well, the changelog should then show it... I never used that server and not gonna install it now, so... can only say things using the information you provide |
| 22:26.39 | burek | well, ok, fair enough.. |
| 22:27.01 | burek | I'm just.. I dunno.. frustrated because I don't see the point of it.. I guess.. |
| 22:27.33 | burek | imagine a command like this: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -0 -1 -4 -A -B -C 4 -D -E -H -I 3 -k 90 -R -U 177:077 -u 100 -Z -T 128 -l unix |
| 22:27.39 | burek | how many config files I'd have to create :) |
| 22:27.45 | gnarface | burek: maybe you should be reading the package docs to look for a way around it |
| 22:28.21 | gnarface | burek: but i can already tell you that nobody with a clue uses this software, so i wouldn't expect it to be of any appreciable quality |
| 22:28.56 | Iridos | well, if nobody would use it, it would not be packaged |
| 22:29.04 | burek | well, maybe that was the point of it :) to bounce users off using it :) |
| 22:29.17 | gnarface | burek: check in /etc/default/ for a pure-ftpd specific config file as well. that might be useful |
| 22:29.40 | gnarface | Iridos: i included the qualifier *with a clue* |
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| 22:33.25 | Iridos | gnarface, I would suppose the maintainer uses it somewhere |
| 22:34.35 | burek | I think I'll just edit /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd in the start) sectin and add all the options I need |
| 22:34.38 | gnarface | Iridos: yea probably in webmin |
| 22:34.58 | burek | I'm not that crazy to create a million of config files :/ |
| 22:35.00 | gnarface | burek: did you even LOOK in /etc/default? |
| 22:35.04 | burek | yes I did |
| 22:35.10 | burek | it just contains 4-5 lines |
| 22:35.19 | burek | to init some vars for init.d script |
| 22:35.23 | burek | nothing else |
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| 22:35.32 | gnarface | burek: no slot for command line options? |
| 22:35.39 | burek | well, no |
| 22:35.44 | burek | why would it be |
| 22:36.14 | gnarface | burek: its a pretty common convention in debian packages for various servers (at least the better put-together ones) |
| 22:37.07 | burek | well, I guess somebody (/me is looking suggestively to the pure-ftpd debian's maintainer) really wanted to make simple things a lot more complicated |
| 22:37.19 | burek | and I guess it's all for the better security somehow :) |
| 22:37.29 | burek | which I as a noob fail to realize |
| 22:38.17 | gnarface | burek: it also could be for ease of automated integration with some other horribly poorly coded graphical front-end |
| 22:38.43 | gnarface | burek: sometimes making things too easy just actually makes them harder |
| 22:39.00 | burek | well, that only degrades debian's score not pure-ftpd's |
| 22:39.34 | burek | but ok, long story short, I have to workaround, just to make it work normally on debian |
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| 22:39.45 | gnarface | burek: well i think you should really contact said maintainer and ask - especially if people paying you money rely on this |
| 22:40.02 | burek | ok, I will |
| 22:40.10 | burek | thank you for your time and suggestions :) |
| 22:40.18 | gnarface | good luck |
| 22:40.19 | burek | :beer: :) |
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| 22:45.51 | SegMai | hi, i have squeeze runing in my asus eeepc 1000H with gnome, can i test lxde without removing the gnome? |
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| 22:48.34 | krion | SegMai: You should be able to do that, yes |
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| 22:49.02 | SegMai | thanks krion only with aptitude install lxde? |
| 22:49.02 | apt | SegMai: pas de quoi |
| 22:49.34 | themill | apt: shush |
| 22:49.34 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 22:50.17 | krion | SegMai: yes, should appear on your gdm |
| 22:50.21 | krion | apt: tu es français ? |
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| 22:53.08 | SegMai | http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian#Installing_to_a_running_system |
| 22:53.46 | SegMai | krion i think it's ok only with aptitude install lxde |
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| 22:58.55 | bardzusny | guys, I recommend aptitude --without-recommends at all times |
| 22:59.16 | bardzusny | I'm wondering why this option isn't default; actually I have it aliased |
| 22:59.24 | bardzusny | (so it is) |
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| 23:01.25 | woshty_ | do i have to use a complete xorg.conf file or can i in part still use autodetection? i basically only what to define which gfx to use, maybe keyboard and mouse. |
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| 23:02.23 | themill | bardzusny: recommended packages are required in all but the most unusual situations. If you really don't want recommends, then (a) you don't get to complain when stuff doesn't work and (b) you'd disable it in the apt config not with an alias like that. |
| 23:04.30 | bardzusny | themill: I never had problems with it...also it got me thinking that apt-get by default doesn't install recommends |
| 23:04.45 | themill | that's not correct. |
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| 23:04.56 | krion | yes, that's incorrect |
| 23:05.10 | bardzusny | let me check that again, maybe you're right and I'm just missing something |
| 23:05.36 | krion | you have to pass --no-install-recommends in order to temporary disable recommends's installation |
| 23:07.46 | bardzusny | you are right, apt-get installs recommends by default - did something change in that regards lately? I'm quite that last time I checked it wasn't so... |
| 23:08.09 | bardzusny | nevertheless, ime recommended packages are often bloat |
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| 23:08.50 | boudiccas | abrotman: yes, you are right! /msg judd versions foobar is a lot simpler and easier and doesnt disrupt the flow of conversations here. thank you |
| 23:09.16 | Xat` | what's the difference between /dev/disk/by-id and /dev/disk/by-uuid ? |
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| 23:11.22 | krion | bardzusny: if i stand correctly it's the default since squeeze |
| 23:12.08 | bardzusny | that explains it, I started when Etch was stable |
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| 23:13.20 | krion | bardzusny: you could definitively disable using apt.conf too btw |
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| 23:14.30 | bardzusny | that's informative, thanks - alias is ugly solution to this |
| 23:16.02 | dondelelcaro | recommends have been the default for a while; you almost always want them. |
| 23:16.14 | dondelelcaro | that said, if you know better, feel free to disable them |
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| 23:18.11 | bardzusny | I wouldn't be surprised if there were changes to this since then, but back when I didn't change this settings, I quite regularly ended up getting definitely unneccessary packages (as if completely different applications) |
| 23:18.16 | bardzusny | as in* |
| 23:19.38 | cusco | gnarface: hi I just read you about audio card with cpu issues |
| 23:19.52 | cusco | asterisk is connected via sip, and that machine produces no audio itself |
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| 23:20.14 | cusco | I just feel unlucky that sox performs bad with gsm |
| 23:21.03 | bardzusny | dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.12 | bardzusny | : right now I can't find examples of it |
| 23:21.22 | bardzusny | so maybe it's just a problem of a past :) |
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| 23:23.13 | dondelelcaro | it certainly is the case that some Recommends: aren't needed in some cases |
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| 23:23.48 | bardzusny | I always thought they were unneccesary, and indeed that seems to be the case most of the time |
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| 23:24.54 | dondelelcaro | they are unnecessary in the sense that the package will work in some fashion without them; if they're almost always unnecessary, then they shouldn't be a Recommends, but a Suggests: |
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| 23:27.32 | bardzusny | I think my argument was based on the fact that apt-get didn't install them by default, and aptitude somehow did - I have to agree that without recommends you'll sometimes run into trouble |
| 23:28.35 | bardzusny | and that's not desirable for regular user, I guess |
| 23:28.40 | bardzusny | ;) |
| 23:29.07 | karsten | Is there a handy way to just fire off an arbitrary UDP packet at some host port? |
| 23:29.35 | karsten | I need this for port knocking, the default client doesn't seem to support UDP knocking, and nmap wants root perms to do this. |
| 23:30.13 | Bronze | karsten: um, netcat? |
| 23:30.40 | karsten | Bronze: That was my first thought. |
| 23:30.47 | karsten | But it hangs on input. |
| 23:30.54 | Bronze | arh. |
| 23:31.05 | karsten | eg: echo "" | netcat -u host.example.com 1234567 |
| 23:31.07 | karsten | eg: echo "" | netcat -u host.example.com 123456 |
| 23:31.23 | karsten | erm. 123456 should work. There's 65k ports. |
| 23:31.52 | karsten | Even if I give it the '-q' argument. |
| 23:32.25 | Bronze | can you invoke netcat seperately, once for each port? |
| 23:33.21 | karsten | That should work. But I'd still need to kill each one. |
| 23:33.24 | karsten | hrm. |
| 23:33.56 | karsten | was just playing with an "ssh to a shitload of accounts" script where he's pre-seeding SSH connections to make use of connection pooling. |
| 23:34.18 | Bronze | whoo. |
| 23:34.34 | karsten | So 'test -z $(jobs -p) || kill $( jobs -p )' ... is a known solution. |
| 23:34.53 | karsten | Yeah, that knocked runtime down from ~1:30 to ~15-40s. |
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| 23:35.20 | karsten | I stay about 10 accounts ahead with an 'ssh user@host "sleep 30"' backgrounded connection. |
| 23:35.34 | karsten | Too many of those too fast and remote doesn't like me, had to down-tune that a bit. |
| 23:36.00 | karsten | And if you're not far enough out front, the connection isn't established by the time you want it. |
| 23:36.38 | Xat` | someone knows the difference between /dev/disk/by-id and /dev/disk/by-uuid ? |
| 23:37.22 | karsten | Xat`: uu :) |
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| 23:38.04 | Xat` | karsten: can you explain the difference please ? :) |
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| 23:39.04 | karsten | Xat`: I don't know, offhand. But looking at contnets, disk/by-id indicates connection protocol, uuid doesn't. |
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| 23:39.49 | karsten | Xat`: by-id seems to be based on manufacturer specs and protocol (ata/scsi/wwn in my case). uuid is the system's uniq device numbering. |
| 23:39.50 | Bronze | oho, so youy're 'that' kartsen! |
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| 23:40.12 | karsten | Bronze: When I'm not being another one. |
| 23:40.24 | karsten | Bronze: I'd rather be "that karsten" than "that guy" |
| 23:40.29 | Xat` | thanks karsten |
| 23:40.33 | Bronze | you fixed my n-th day idea. :) |
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| 23:40.43 | Bronze | (some years back) |
| 23:40.49 | karsten | Xat`: I'd poke around kernel docs. |
| 23:40.51 | karsten | Bronze: Ah. |
| 23:40.53 | karsten | :) |
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| 23:41.56 | karsten | Bronze: Latest farting around has b een: generate a bunch of charts via gnuplot based on sar output. |
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| 23:43.06 | Bronze | That'll be useful when we start hitting limits with the current technology. |
| 23:43.38 | Bronze | saw an article that claims there is a data tsunami coming and that we will need every erg of data handling capability we can get. |
| 23:44.34 | Bronze | dunno id there's anything valid behind it or not |
| 23:44.36 | Bronze | *if] |
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| 23:49.09 | karsten | Yeah, it's a pity there isn't a study of, you know, data and analysis, like there is for, you know, statistics. |
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| 23:50.11 | karsten | OK, with 'echo "1" | nc -q -u host nnn', "kill $( jobs -p )" is trying to kill the echo, not the netcat |
| 23:51.18 | divbell | pkill nc |
| 23:51.19 | divbell | next? |
| 23:51.44 | divbell | kill works on process ids, not job numbers |
| 23:51.55 | divbell | killall or pkill can kill by name |
| 23:52.30 | Riviera | kill works by jo[D[Db numbers. |
| 23:52.38 | divbell | oh, you're using an argument with jobs |
| 23:52.44 | Riviera | "job" even |
| 23:52.44 | divbell | reads the man page |
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| 23:56.13 | karsten | Bronze: http://paste.debian.net/167793/ |
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| 23:56.51 | karsten | (install gnuplot and imagemagick if not already present). |
| 23:57.01 | karsten | Bronze: The cool bit: gnuplot will read from stdin. |
| 23:57.18 | Bronze | thats going to be very nice! :) |
| 23:57.23 | karsten | or rather, from process output. |
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| 23:58.31 | karsten | Bronze: ... *and* you can feed it a here document. Which means I can write shell scripts that parameterize stuff like, say, output type and size, as well as matching titles and data columns to the actual input (sar is a bit of a PITA to deal with). |
| 23:58.43 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.26 | karsten | ... that's the meat. The [i=3:6] means "iterate over the 3-6th columns plotting", the bit in double quotes is the data itself (sar, grepping for datestamps). |