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| 15:47.37 | thomaschaaf | I am trying to get my wifi to work more permanently. I have the EW-7811Un from Edimax: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS] which can be found in this list http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#supported-rtl8192cu as a supported device. I am currently running: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 from squeeze-backports. Using wpa_supplicant and wpa_cli works well until I conn |
| 15:47.57 | thomaschaaf | As soon as I do wpa_cli scan_results from there on the result set is empty |
| 15:48.25 | thomaschaaf | until I rmmod rtl8192cu & modprobe rtl8192cu and restart wpa_supplifcant. |
| 15:49.19 | Kulas24 | thewandererl: thanks for the help. |
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| 15:49.42 | Kulas24 | Sevet: Thanks for the help. |
| 15:49.53 | thomaschaaf | From realteks website I can see, that a new driver is available (two days ago) http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true but I don't know what version I have installed (it is included with the 3.2.0 kernel) |
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| 15:50.16 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: Sure you have all the firmware for the device? You can "modinfo rtl8192cu | grep firmware" and check /lib/firmware for the file(s) |
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| 15:50.44 | jsonperl | anyone know why this works on commandline but not in a script? |
| 15:50.45 | jsonperl | yes 'Yes, do as I say!' | sudo apt-get install upstart -y --force-yes |
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| 15:50.52 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: Looks like it's provided in the "firmware-realtek" package on my system, which is Wheezy |
| 15:50.57 | xvilka | hi! how to downgrade from php5.4 to php5.3 in wheezy/testing? |
| 15:51.52 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: as I said it works. But only for one connect. As soon as I detach from that network I can not scan anymore, etc. |
| 15:52.21 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: ~# modinfo rtl8192cu | grep firmware firmware: rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin |
| 15:52.25 | Iridos | dpkg, tell xvilka about downgrade |
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| 15:52.40 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: I understand what you said. But... do you have the firmware file? |
| 15:53.27 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: I did run your command :) see 3 lines above this. |
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| 15:54.16 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: That shows you what firmware is required by the module. You missed the last part of my suggestion; check /lib/firmware for the file(s) |
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| 15:55.10 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: /lib/firmware/rtlwifi# ls rtl8192cfw.bin rtl8192cufw.bin rtl8192defw.bin rtl8192sefw.bin rtl8712u.bin |
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| 15:56.07 | thomaschaaf | so the file seems to be there |
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| 15:57.35 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: on the realtek site I found a changelog but how would I go about finding out the version of the driver? modinfo rtl8192cu gives me nothing |
| 15:57.54 | thomaschaaf | well nothing related to the installed version |
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| 15:58.26 | WormFood | I want to install gimp 2.8 on debian stable. Does anyone know of a repo that has it, or somewhere where I can download a .deb....if not, then I'll built it from source. |
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| 15:59.34 | craigevil | WormFood, its easy enough to compile |
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| 16:01.09 | WormFood | craigevil, I know, I've done it before, for the beta....now that it is final, I want to really install it (before I just ran it from where I compiled it)...and I don't want to put the time into making a .deb right this instant, I want to spend my time using it, not compiling it. |
| 16:01.36 | WormFood | not a big deal, I was just hoping someone had done it already, and made it available. |
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| 16:01.48 | WormFood | no point in doing the work over again, if someone else already did it. |
| 16:01.55 | craigevil | WormFood, only repo i know that has it is siduction, but it is based on sid |
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| 16:02.46 | WormFood | ok, thanks craigevil....if nobody else chimes in with any new info, then I'll just compile it from source (why spend more time/effort trying to find it, than it would take to compile it?) |
| 16:04.22 | codek`-` | what its the "rc.local" service? |
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| 16:20.18 | spal | what's the difference between URxvt.background and URxvt*background in .Xresources? |
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| 16:20.34 | brah | Hi. |
| 16:20.45 | brah | I've been meaning to upgrade my stations from Lenny to Squeeze. |
| 16:20.57 | brah | But Squeeze´s openoffice can't open files on the smb network. |
| 16:21.10 | brah | And I haven't found any conclusive workaround that doesn't require me to manually mount stuff' |
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| 16:22.14 | brah | I already installed gvfs-fuse |
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| 16:24.11 | brah | So, off the box, Squeeze ships with a gimped OpenOffice |
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| 16:26.02 | WormFood | "off the box"? Do you mean "out of the box"? |
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| 16:26.29 | free4mean | http://www.reddit.com/r/AnythingGoesVideos/comments/tbby1/sabrina_johnson_fucked_by_2000_cocks_for_2_days/ |
| 16:26.41 | brah | WormFood: :) |
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| 16:29.27 | peterrooney | ...and I thought I had too much free time in my life... |
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| 16:43.04 | peterrooney | I'm getting really tired of iceweasel crashing randomly when loading web pages with flash content. |
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| 16:45.33 | xota | hi! is it possible to download only a netinst for debian testing? |
| 16:45.54 | dondelelcaro | xota: not really. That said, you can use the netinst to install testing |
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| 16:46.13 | dioz_mio | classical learning curves for some editors: http://fukung.net/v/11860/f3373770c52649de0ac9532e0d067d8f.jpg |
| 16:46.26 | xota | dondelelcaro: will it ask to me if I want to use the testing sources then? |
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| 16:47.44 | WouterDS | Hi |
| 16:47.44 | WouterDS | I was recently trying to enable remote access to the mysql server on my vps, and that worked. But it broke my email service (postfix + dovecot + mysql) |
| 16:47.45 | WouterDS | I reversed the changes like it was, but it still doesn't work. And I'm not getting any errors |
| 16:47.47 | WouterDS | The problem is: that I can not receive email, but I can login into the mailserver.. And when I try on the terminal with mailx it does work.. Just doesn't work if I sent an email from a hotmail address for example.. |
| 16:47.48 | WouterDS | Anyone? |
| 16:47.50 | WouterDS | Email log: http://paste.debian.net/168007/ |
| 16:47.51 | WouterDS | Oh and this is what I got on the senders email after a few hours |
| 16:47.53 | WouterDS | This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. |
| 16:47.54 | WouterDS | THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. |
| 16:47.55 | WouterDS | YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. |
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| 16:47.56 | WouterDS | Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed. |
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| 16:48.49 | dondelelcaro | WouterDS: that's a dovecot log and not postfix. |
| 16:49.13 | WouterDS | Oh, which log should I be looking at then? |
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| 16:49.34 | dondelelcaro | WouterDS: presumably you're using some kind of mysql based auth/accounting system, and you've managed to disable access to that user. |
| 16:49.44 | dondelelcaro | WouterDS: depends on your setup. |
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| 16:50.07 | dondelelcaro | if this is Debian, by default it's /var/log/mail.log |
| 16:50.28 | WouterDS | Used this guide: http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze |
| 16:50.37 | WouterDS | So that's with the mysql account mail_admin |
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| 16:53.05 | SpComb | WouterDS: if you can't find anything postfix in your mail.log, then it presumeably isn't running |
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| 16:56.30 | mah454 | gnome 3 not work ! |
| 16:56.40 | mah454 | view this : moin |
| 16:56.43 | mah454 | opss ! |
| 16:56.47 | mah454 | http://pastebin.com/QXLq9dtw |
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| 17:00.42 | dondelelcaro | mah454: it looks like you don't have libpulse0 installed, which shouldn't be possible if you're actually running Debian. |
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| 17:02.04 | mah454 | dondelelcaro, installed |
| 17:02.05 | mah454 | ii libpulse0 1.1-3+b1 PulseAudio client libraries |
| 17:02.14 | tremon | everything is possible with debian... |
| 17:02.30 | mah454 | tremon, what ? |
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| 17:02.52 | alice_bance | Question: If my harddrive is dieing, in what log file will the error messages appear? |
| 17:02.56 | abrotman | dying |
| 17:03.04 | abrotman | /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog |
| 17:03.54 | tremon | mah454: there is no actual error message in your log. Please be more specific than "gnome3 not work" |
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| 17:04.43 | dondelelcaro | mah454: if that was actually the case, then libpulsecommon-1.0.so: cannot open shared object file: wouldn't be in your log. |
| 17:04.49 | dondelelcaro | mah454: reinstall libpulse0 |
| 17:04.53 | alice_bance | thank you abrotman |
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| 17:05.41 | gasull | Only root can use my scanner. How can I let other users use it? |
| 17:06.15 | mah454 | tremon, I enter username and password in GDM . then wait to login to Desktop . but only load desktop background ... |
| 17:06.16 | karlpinc | alice_bance: If you think your hard drive may be dying, you'll find the <smartmontools> package helpful. |
| 17:06.27 | WouterDS | SpComb: It's all dovecot in the log http://sht.tl/29k |
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| 17:06.32 | robokop | gasull: add users to the group sane |
| 17:06.33 | gnarface | uh |
| 17:06.45 | gnarface | sometime in the night NickServ went down |
| 17:06.51 | gnarface | and someone jacked my nick during that time |
| 17:06.58 | gnarface | then i got kicked from #debian apparently |
| 17:07.16 | karlpinc | gasull: (And don't forget to have the users login again to have the new group take effect.) |
| 17:07.17 | SpComb | WouterDS: ps aux | grep postfix |
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| 17:07.21 | gnarface | so if anyone was in here named gnarface and was *not* being annoying and *not* pissing off abrotman over that time... it wasn't me |
| 17:07.33 | mah454 | I will come back ... |
| 17:07.33 | gnarface | fair warning, people spoofing my identity |
| 17:07.38 | SpComb | WouterDS: or better yet, /etc/init.d/postfix status |
| 17:08.10 | WouterDS | root@server1:~# /etc/init.d/postfix status |
| 17:08.11 | WouterDS | postfix is running. |
| 17:08.13 | peterrooney | gasull: also, I recommend setting your debconf priority to "low" so that debconf will ask you these questions while installing packages. "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
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| 17:08.19 | abrotman | gnarface: were you drunk again ? |
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| 17:08.35 | gnarface | abrotman: i was sleeping while it happened |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | gnarface: BTW, /msg nickserv help protect or something like that |
| 17:08.58 | WouterDS | SpComb: http://sht.tl/9IOQ |
| 17:09.00 | gnarface | abrotman: yea i do that. my nick is registered |
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| 17:09.33 | abrotman | gnarface: sorry, /msg nickserv help set .. look at enforce |
| 17:09.41 | gnarface | abrotman: somehow i got un-authed though while i sleep |
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| 17:09.47 | SpComb | WouterDS: give it an `/etc/init.d/postfix restart` and see what the logs say |
| 17:09.50 | alice_bance | thank you karlpinc |
| 17:09.52 | alice_bance | Question: Would I be correct in assuming this to be the beginnings of harddrive failure? ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR } |
| 17:09.53 | alice_bance | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.08 | dvs | alice_bance: yup |
| 17:10.10 | karlpinc | !tell alice_bance about paste |
| 17:10.10 | gnarface | abrotman: all i've got in my logs is * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). |
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| 17:11.06 | abrotman | alice_bance: probably not good .. use a pastebin to show us more |
| 17:11.27 | karlpinc | alice_bance: You can always pretend that by blowing the dust out and re-seating the all the wires you can make the problem go away, but it probably won't. (The rare exception is heat related problems, where you clean the fans and things run cooler.) |
| 17:11.39 | alice_bance | Yeah, I'm running from a liveusb right now, because those look very suspiciously like soon to fail warnings to me |
| 17:12.12 | abrotman | alice_bance: shut down, make sure you re-seat stuff .. |
| 17:12.25 | karlpinc | alice_bance: If you don't have backups, now's the time. (I'd do that before anything else.) |
| 17:12.30 | SpComb | alice_bance: `smartctl -a /dev/...` |
| 17:12.44 | alice_bance | I'll paste more on pastebin |
| 17:13.29 | gasull | robokop: peterrooney: karlpinc: thank you. I'll logout now and login again to test it |
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| 17:13.41 | tremon | alice_bance: people tend to prefer paste.debian.net |
| 17:13.43 | xota | can I isntall from netinst directly in a encrypted partition or do I need to install and then create it? |
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| 17:14.07 | xota | I created a physical volume, but I don't see any option to say that this will be my /home partition |
| 17:14.14 | tremon | xota: how do you expect to encrypt a partition that already has data on it? |
| 17:14.19 | alice_bance | tremon, ojk |
| 17:14.30 | WouterDS | SpComb: restarted but still doesn't work, but it is in the log: http://sht.tl/67U |
| 17:14.33 | xota | tremon: it's completely new, or are you talking about the future? moving the data :) |
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| 17:15.15 | tremon | xota: I was talking about "install and then create [encrypted partition]" |
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| 17:15.33 | tremon | xota: you can't directly use physical volumes, read up on lvm |
| 17:15.57 | tremon | if you create a physical volume, you need to define volume groups and logical volumes before specifying mountpoints |
| 17:15.58 | karlpinc | xota: You want encryption of the partitions before you put anything (like a filesystem) on them. |
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| 17:19.16 | alice_bance | Here is a large part of my syslog before I last shutdown my pc http://paste.debian.net/168064/ |
| 17:20.24 | WouterDS | SpComb: fixed it! |
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| 17:22.58 | alice_bance | SpComb, I will check out smartctl. ty |
| 17:23.36 | karlpinc | alice_bance: Something's very broken. Start by making sure your data is safe. |
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| 17:25.13 | alice_bance | karlpinc: Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately the hard drive is beyond warranty now |
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| 17:26.33 | alice_bance | I recognized a problem after about every 5-10 minutes the computer would freeze for several seconds |
| 17:27.00 | dondelelcaro | alice_bance: yeah, that's kind of typical, unfortunately. make sure you have backups, and replace the drive |
| 17:27.26 | alice_bance | When I found out the freezing was due to I/O processes, I figured the HD was prolly on the way out |
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| 17:28.28 | dondelelcaro | alice_bance: yeah; smartctl -a /dev/whatever; will tell you precisely what is wrong with the drive if you care |
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| 17:28.46 | dondelelcaro | but drives are basically made to fail... |
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| 17:29.45 | nsadmin | just like IP is |
| 17:29.54 | alice_bance | Thankfully some { DRDY ERR } errors were appeared on Terminal F1, that helped me identify the problem a lot faster |
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| 17:30.14 | alice_bance | dondelelcaro: excellent |
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| 17:31.06 | karlpinc | alice_bance: You can, while booted off cd/usb, copy the drive to another drive. This can be done at the filesystem level with cp (or even better, rsync, or lots of other ways) or at the device level with dd or ddrescue. The advantage of the block level is then you can run filesystem checks on the copy and, perhaps, repair/recover, data that's lost when looking at the un-repaired filesystem. Whatever you do, don't write to the drives. |
| 17:31.14 | DarkStar1 | Has anyone who's setup openLDAP on 6.0 recently know if it still uses the slapd.conf file or uses the method in ubuntu where it uses a DIT for real time config? |
| 17:31.29 | alice_bance | It's a 1TB hd, and most of it's life I've only used partitions covering about half the drive area, so maybe the other half is still good lol |
| 17:32.04 | alice_bance | karlpinc: Good thinking. I am considering ddrescue |
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| 17:33.09 | jagginess | hey, anyone knows of what i can use to re-map my left and right mouse buttons? |
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| 17:34.08 | tremon | jagginess: xinput |
| 17:34.23 | peterrooney | jagginess: also possibly xmodmap |
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| 17:34.51 | tremon | DarkStar1: it uses slapd.d, so DIT |
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| 17:36.30 | DarkStar1 | tremon: thanks |
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| 17:39.52 | alice_bance | I'm going to pastebin my smartctl output, because it's a little cryptic to me |
| 17:39.55 | jagginess | thanks.. i'm checking it out |
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| 17:42.58 | alice_bance | smartctl output http://paste.debian.net/168067/ |
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| 17:44.48 | spal | My urxvt always launches as 79x22 window whereas gnome-terminal and rxvt launch as 80x24 window. How can I find out the cause of the difference? |
| 17:44.51 | tremon | alice_bance: the platters aren't failing physically, it's the controller/wiring |
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| 17:45.34 | alice_bance | tremon: Oh?? |
| 17:46.10 | alice_bance | tremon: That very odd because I haven't had any interaction with the internals |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | that's fun! |
| 17:46.13 | gnarface | spal: you don't have to find out the cause of the difference; i'll flat out tell you its command-line options (or lack thereof and defaults) - what you have to find out is where you can override them in your window manager or whatever you use that is pretending to be one (i assume gnome) |
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| 17:46.37 | Diopter | spal: Check your .Xdefaults |
| 17:46.42 | tremon | alice_bance: if there would be read errors, you'd have nonzero raw values for Offline_Uncorrectable, Current_Pending_Sector or Reallocated_Sector_Ct |
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| 17:47.14 | tremon | alice_bance: can also be caused by flaky power supply |
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| 17:47.35 | Cryp71c | New debian installation for server, service ssh status says the openssh server is running, but I cannot connect to it. Putty reports "network error: connection timed out." I'm connecting via IP. |
| 17:47.56 | alice_bance | SpComb: Anythoughts? |
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| 17:48.03 | spal | Diopter, I've got URxvt.geometry: 80x24 but it always opens as 79x22 window. |
| 17:48.14 | gnarface | spal: btw the flag for urxvt is "-geometry WxH" where W is a integer value representing the number of columns (not pixels) wide and H is an integer value representing the number of rows (not pixels) high |
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| 17:48.47 | Diopter | alice_bance, tremon: Along the lines of flaky power supply, you should check to make sure the power cable is, in fact, plugged in very securely. If it's not providing adequate power, the data cable can often provide enough power for it to sort of run, but it will almost always damage the controller |
| 17:48.52 | gnarface | spal: i would assume the desktop/menu shortcut is overriding it |
| 17:49.05 | gnarface | spal: but i don't use ~/.Xdefaults so, i don't really know |
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| 17:49.13 | alice_bance | tremon: karlpinc: This may end up being much better news that I thought. I've had my pc off for like 4 days because of this, preparing to get a new drive |
| 17:49.20 | spal | I see that even if I specify urxvt -geometry 80x24, it still opens as 79x22. |
| 17:49.32 | spal | but if I specify urxvt -geometry 79x2, it opens as 79x2. |
| 17:49.44 | spal | somehow, it is treating 79x22 as maximum, I don't know why. |
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| 17:50.00 | zorrolero | Cryp71c: maybe the server has no/wrong gateway |
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| 17:50.08 | gnarface | spal: tell me what your window manager is so i can make sure never to use it |
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| 17:50.24 | alice_bance | tremon: karlpinc: Diopter: So judging by the output, the hard drive is running perfectly fine? |
| 17:50.34 | spal | gnarface, gnome-shell. other terminals open fine. it's just urxvt that has this problem. |
| 17:50.37 | Diopter | spal: Try single-quoting the geometry. -geometry '80x24' |
| 17:50.39 | alice_bance | (physically) |
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| 17:50.53 | spal | when I give it 70x20, it opens 69x18. |
| 17:51.01 | spal | some sort of off-by-one, off-by-two errors. |
| 17:51.21 | gnarface | spade: well i've just confirmed manually that urxvt does not have that problem for me, but i'm using the version in SID and i'm not using gnome |
| 17:51.23 | spal | I have to set 81x26 to get 80x24. that's a workaround I have. |
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| 17:51.51 | SpComb | alice_bance: may be a mobo/controller issue, but smart would complain if there was in issue with the disk platter |
| 17:51.58 | SpComb | alice_bance: do a `smartctl -t long ...` on it |
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| 17:52.07 | SpComb | it'll scan the disk surface |
| 17:52.33 | tremon | alice_bance: well, fine apart from the UDMA_CRC_Error_Count. Keep in mind that that can still be caused by a bad drive (just the circuit board and not the platters), but it doesn't happen much that a disk controller fails |
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| 17:53.12 | moha | Is there a debian administrator here |
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| 17:53.22 | Diopter | moha: Probably hundreds |
| 17:53.46 | Cryp71c | zorrolero, yeah, that's what it looks like. |
| 17:53.48 | Cryp71c | thanks |
| 17:54.11 | zorrolero | np |
| 17:54.12 | moha | So iI want know how to become a linux administrator |
| 17:54.21 | Diopter | moha: As a career? |
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| 17:54.27 | moha | So i want know how to become a linux administrator |
| 17:55.07 | spal | gnarface, Diopter I found the cause of the error. It's the 'tabbed' extension that is causing this. if I remove URxvt.perl-ext-common: default,tabbed from .Xresources, it works fine. |
| 17:55.16 | moha | yes as a career |
| 17:55.20 | alice_bance | SpComb: 255 minutes for the test to complete? Haha |
| 17:55.35 | alice_bance | tremon: This is great news |
| 17:55.44 | Diopter | spal: Makes sense. It needs to adjust for tabs |
| 17:55.58 | spal | It reduces the height by 1. No idea why it reduces the width by 2. |
| 17:55.58 | gnarface | ah yes tabs |
| 17:56.07 | gnarface | just opens more shells |
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| 17:56.16 | gnarface | then opens more virtual desktops |
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| 17:56.40 | spal | With the tabbed extension, 80x24 leads me to 79x22. |
| 17:56.52 | gnarface | annoying |
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| 17:57.04 | SpComb | alice_bance: longcat is long |
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| 17:58.10 | Cryp71c | zorrolero, one other question, this server has 8 network ports, I changed over to a different set (I don't think I have firmware installed for the ones I was previously using), how can I tell which one is now plugged in, easily? |
| 17:58.43 | Diopter | Cryp71c: Use ethtool or miitool to check for a link |
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| 18:03.36 | Cryp71c | Diopter, thanks, miitool worked |
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| 18:11.22 | ladowach1rpuny | where is 'suhosin' package? aka php5-suhosin |
| 18:11.25 | ladowach1rpuny | in wheezy |
| 18:11.27 | ladowach1rpuny | X_x |
| 18:11.50 | nsadmin | , versions php5-suhosin |
| 18:11.51 | judd | Package: php5-suhosin on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.27-1; lenny-backports: 0.9.31-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.32.1-1; sid: 0.9.33-1 |
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| 18:12.31 | nsadmin | squeezed outta wheezy? |
| 18:12.54 | abrotman | ladowach1rpuny: /msg dpkg why is php5-suhosin not in testing |
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| 18:13.28 | ladowach1rpuny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N8S4VqWs |
| 18:14.05 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 18:18.20 | zorrolero | Cryp71c: dmesg |
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| 18:25.54 | Pnoexz | hey, i have a headless machine on eth i connect through ssh, it has a minimalistic debian stable installed.. how would i go about connecting it to wifi via usb "antenna" without losing/deconfiguring the eth connection? i just need a starting place |
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| 18:26.23 | batlock | so i'd really like to get this problem sorted out.. Debian Squeeze host. Any guest. Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager 4.0.10_Debian Issue: Virtualbox steals host audio and nothing else can play sound when a VM is open, not even another VM. Configured with ALSA. |
| 18:26.38 | batlock | bekks> batlock: Sounds like a host configuration issue. |
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| 18:29.26 | abrotman | Pnoexz: start with making sure it can connect at all |
| 18:29.51 | Pnoexz | abrotman: it can connect using eth |
| 18:30.01 | abrotman | with wifi ? |
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| 18:30.33 | Pnoexz | but im new with headless, so i wouldnt know how to do this without gnome's/kde's network manager |
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| 18:31.22 | Pnoexz | all i can tell is that lsusb is reporting the antena correctly |
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| 18:32.01 | jelly-home | *cough* *hack* |
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| 18:32.38 | Pnoexz | jelly-home: what? |
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| 18:33.10 | jelly-home | Pnoexz: ignore it, cleared my throat in the wrong channel |
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| 18:33.19 | Pnoexz | oh |
| 18:34.05 | batlock | so i'd really like to get this problem sorted out.. Debian Squeeze host. Any guest. Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager 4.0.10_Debian Issue: Virtualbox steals host audio and nothing else can play sound when a VM is open, not even another VM. Configured with ALSA. |
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| 18:36.39 | batlock | hello> |
| 18:36.41 | batlock | ? |
| 18:36.49 | Pnoexz | batlock: we can read you |
| 18:37.00 | batlock | well then can i get some assistance? |
| 18:37.23 | batlock | because apparently "there are so many people using vbox on debian squeeze (including myself), and didn't see such audio problems" |
| 18:37.45 | Pnoexz | batlock: well, apparently nobody here knows how to fix your issue |
| 18:37.59 | Blackshirt | Batlock what the problems? |
| 18:38.00 | batlock | nobody here ever knows how to fix my issue |
| 18:38.06 | batlock | i've asked in here like times before |
| 18:38.14 | batlock | Blackshirt, i start a vm |
| 18:38.15 | Pnoexz | batlock: and what would you want us to do? |
| 18:38.19 | batlock | nothing else can play audio |
| 18:38.36 | Pnoexz | !tell batlock about alsa checklist |
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| 18:38.47 | Blackshirt | I'm just join here for a while time |
| 18:39.11 | Pnoexz | some of those points might be helpful, like aplaying a test wav file, batlock |
| 18:39.26 | jelly-home | batlock: volunteer support can vary wildly depending on the active crowd and their particular proficiencies |
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| 18:40.05 | batlock | hmm |
| 18:40.06 | batlock | aplay: set_params:1059: Channels count non available |
| 18:40.13 | batlock | when i run it as root |
| 18:40.34 | Pnoexz | from the host, right? |
| 18:40.38 | batlock | yea |
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| 18:40.53 | Blackshirt | Check your audio devices on vm |
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| 18:41.09 | batlock | they're all set to alsa |
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| 18:41.42 | batlock | and when i'm in a vm, the first vm opened can play audio, if multiple vm's are running |
| 18:41.53 | batlock | everything else is silent |
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| 18:43.15 | Pnoexz | lsof? idk |
| 18:43.24 | Blackshirt | Batlock i think that was lack of vm.cmiiw |
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| 18:44.07 | batlock | a wat? |
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| 18:54.34 | wahben | hello everyone, I recently installed debian wheezy, and everything was working fine. After installing a few fonts, (ttf-mscorefonts and ttf-liberation), I could no longer login with GDM, I get a full system crash when starting gdm3, I can however get X running manually with startx from root user, and the graphic drivers are working just fine in that session. Unfortunately, the gdm log shows no error messages. Anyone has an idea wha |
| 18:54.34 | wahben | t may be happening? |
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| 18:55.50 | wahben | also strangely, I get no error messages in syslog or kern.log or Xorg.0.log.... |
| 18:56.09 | wahben | and I've tried to uninstall the fonts.. still crashes |
| 18:56.19 | tremon | wahben: ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 18:58.14 | wahben | checking log now.. |
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| 18:58.46 | Pnoexz | root@dhcppc1:~# ping -I wlan0 www.google.com |
| 18:58.46 | Pnoexz | PING www.l.google.com (173.194.37.84) from 192.168.1.103 wlan0: 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:58.51 | Pnoexz | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:00.10 | batlock | Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 for more information. << url doesn't exist |
| 19:00.28 | wahben | i saw errors related to xscreensaver not loading because of root user.. Ill try to uninstall see what happens |
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| 19:00.39 | xSmurf | Is there anyway to import a keylayout from osx (don't hate please)? I'm very much used the the international meta keys of its US layout (and as a programmer, they work far better as they use a modifier + dead keys, "+space is unacceptable) |
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| 19:01.22 | Pnoexz | batlock: i had the same problem, but found the script in some wiki, i think arch or gentoo's |
| 19:02.08 | wahben | tremon, I still get a full system crash when it tries to load gdm (screen goes black) |
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| 19:02.58 | wahben | no errors in myuser/.xsession-errors because I don't even get to login |
| 19:03.13 | tremon | wahben: system crash? As in, kernel panic, triple fault, spontaneous reboot? |
| 19:04.12 | wahben | well screen goes dark, caps-lock / numlock stop working ( no light on keyboard), not able to alt-f1 / ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:04.20 | wahben | can only power down the machine |
| 19:04.43 | wahben | actually /root/.xsession-errors has nothing new after system crash |
| 19:04.52 | tremon | ok that's panic or system freeze. running any proprietary drivers? |
| 19:05.41 | wahben | ati radeon (fglrx-driver etc) yes |
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| 19:06.25 | wahben | drivers load fine when i "startx" tough |
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| 19:07.13 | tremon | does startx run the same command as a normal X startup, with the same user? |
| 19:07.39 | wahben | I run startx with root user |
| 19:07.44 | wahben | gdm is also started with root user |
| 19:08.02 | wahben | that's automatic after boot |
| 19:08.12 | wahben | I can manually run startx if I boot in "recovery mode" |
| 19:08.24 | tremon | what does startx run? only xterm? |
| 19:08.24 | wahben | I guess I could try to uninstall ati proprietary drivers |
| 19:08.33 | wahben | startx runs wmii |
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| 19:08.58 | wahben | no my normal windows manager |
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| 19:09.50 | batlock | so question, does pulseaudio come installed by default in squeeze? cause i may have removed it |
| 19:09.58 | tremon | hmm... are you on squeeze / stable? Because if you're on wheezy, it might be that gdm3 is using some 3d functions. Can you run 3d apps from wmii without freezing? |
| 19:10.18 | wahben | tremon: yes, glxgears runs fine and fast |
| 19:10.27 | wahben | im on wheezy |
| 19:10.31 | Cryp71c | To apply changes made in /etc/network/interfaces, I just need to bring the interface down, then back up? |
| 19:10.35 | tremon | batlock: it's a dependency of gnome, you (normally) can't remove it without removing most of gnome |
| 19:10.47 | batlock | hrm |
| 19:10.59 | batlock | well i have gnome... |
| 19:11.10 | tremon | Cryp71c: /etc/init.d/networking restart is the preferred method, but can be a problem if you're logged in remotely |
| 19:11.43 | batlock | but it appears that i have no pulseaudio |
| 19:11.48 | wahben | so if I boot in recovery mode, I can /etc/init.d/dbus start, then /etc/init.d/gdm3 start, and then the system freezes |
| 19:11.53 | batlock | so that could be my core issue |
| 19:12.01 | tremon | wahben: I expect gdm3 is triggering an unstable codepath in fglrx (but that's a guess). Try installing kdm and setting that as default |
| 19:12.19 | wahben | tremon: good idea, didn't know about kdm |
| 19:12.45 | wahben | is there a simpler gdm/ kdm that doesn't use QT or gtk3? |
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| 19:13.11 | joeytwiddle | there are a few. xdm is pretty old! |
| 19:13.20 | GhostFace | can mirc run on debian? |
| 19:13.22 | tremon | there is also slim |
| 19:13.27 | pathcl | GhostFace: wine |
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| 19:13.30 | joeytwiddle | GhostFace: i've seen it working ok in wine |
| 19:13.33 | GhostFace | well a debian vps |
| 19:13.36 | wahben | well interesting.. apt-get remove gdm3 segfaults :P |
| 19:13.37 | batlock | so how do i re-install pulseaudio correctly in squeeze? |
| 19:13.48 | GhostFace | will it run on a debian vps? |
| 19:13.49 | pathcl | why sombody would bother to run mirc anyway GhostFace ? |
| 19:13.51 | wahben | so that could be part of my problem |
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| 19:13.56 | tremon | batlock: aptitude install pulseaudio ? |
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| 19:14.22 | batlock | there's no other configurations needed? |
| 19:14.22 | GhostFace | well i need to run a bot on it thats all |
| 19:14.36 | jelly-home | GhostFace: it might, but that's an unusual setup |
| 19:14.51 | tremon | wahben: usually, problems only reported against a proprietary driver don't receive that much attention. If you can find the time to test the open-source driver and you can reproduce it, file a bug against gdm3 |
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| 19:15.09 | jelly-home | GhostFace: learn how to run standalone vnc servers and X apps inside, and run wine in there |
| 19:15.22 | tremon | (still assuming that another ?dm works fine) |
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| 19:15.56 | wahben | tremon, thanks, if I find time to do it I will. |
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| 19:18.26 | GhostFace | just wine? |
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| 19:18.50 | GhostFace | oh i read that again |
| 19:19.08 | batlock | there's no other configurations needed to install pulseaudio and have it work correctly? |
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| 19:22.00 | batlock | cause now they're fighting |
| 19:22.12 | Diopter | batlock: What's fighting? |
| 19:22.32 | batlock | i swapped the vm's host driver to pulseaudio and i can play sound in firefox after the vm opens, but nothing in the vm can play sound |
| 19:22.40 | batlock | until firefox stops using the sound device |
| 19:22.46 | batlock | then the vm can play sound |
| 19:22.49 | batlock | and vice versa |
| 19:23.15 | Cryp71c | tremon, I used that command, it says its deprecated... |
| 19:23.18 | Cryp71c | Is there a newer one? |
| 19:23.33 | batlock | and i stil get aplay: set_params:1059: Channels count non available when i try aplay noise.wav |
| 19:24.18 | Diopter | batlock: Usually means you've got an ALSA app stealing your soundcard from pulse, and vice versa |
| 19:24.44 | Diopter | batlock: If you installed the "pulseaudio" package, you should have a /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf that makes pulse the default ALSA device |
| 19:24.55 | tremon | Cryp71c: not really. But it appears that it merely runs ifdown -a ; ifup -a :) |
| 19:25.13 | Diopter | batlock: But you might need to logout/back in to cycle all the ALSA apps/daemons that might be running. Or "init 1" and hit C-d at the maintenance prompt to recycle your runlevels |
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| 19:28.11 | batlock | recycled |
| 19:28.19 | batlock | that pulse-alsa isn't there |
| 19:28.33 | kamran | hi all |
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| 19:28.47 | Diopter | batlock: I'm on Wheezy, it might not be in Squeeze. Do you have apt-file, so you can search what package it might be in? |
| 19:28.58 | Diopter | batlock: Or, alternatively, you can just make your own /etc/asound.conf and drop the lines in |
| 19:30.44 | kamran | i have upgraded to debian 6 but it seems the graphic card of my laptop is not detected because the monitor is marked unknown and the highest resolution available is 800x600 |
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| 19:31.36 | Cryp71c | tremon, hrm, well I have the device in question working (eth2), however it is not getting the static ip I have set in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:32.04 | kamran | does anybody noticed my problem? |
| 19:32.21 | Cryp71c | kamran, you need drivers/firmware for your graphics card. |
| 19:32.27 | Cryp71c | (obviously) |
| 19:33.05 | kamran | what driver firmware for vio laptop? |
| 19:33.51 | kamran | i installed wireless firmware but i don't know what package is sutable for graphic card? |
| 19:34.25 | Cryp71c | ...you realize there a literally tens - if not hundreds - of thousands of potential video devices if you take into account most computing devices for the last 10 years, right? |
| 19:34.47 | Cryp71c | Asking us what you're one system (without a model number) uses is impossible. |
| 19:35.04 | Cryp71c | Use lspci to get the model number of your graphics card, then try to find linux drivers for that model using google. |
| 19:35.23 | gnarface | kamran: you're on the right track but you want to identify your video card specifically, not your laptop. debian doesn't care what type of viao you have, it just cares what specific devices are in it. they can be in other cards too |
| 19:35.35 | gnarface | kamran: i mean other *computers* too |
| 19:35.57 | kamran | Cryp71c, my laptop is vio vpcf116fg and i will ckeck lspci for its model recognized by os |
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| 19:38.14 | Diopter | batlock: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/plain/trunk/asound.conf?h=packages/pulseaudio-alsa is the basic idea. |
| 19:39.15 | kamran | the result of lspci is "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 330M] (rev a2)" |
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| 19:40.13 | Diopter | kamran: So your options are really nouveau and the proprietary nvidia drivers. |
| 19:40.23 | Diopter | kamran: You can try nouveau first if you like, with xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 19:40.43 | Diopter | kamran: Or apt-get nvidia-glx nvidia-settings, should be. |
| 19:40.51 | Diopter | +install, etc |
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| 19:43.01 | kamran | the xserver-xorg-video-no, libdrm-nouveau1 was by default installed and i installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-setting after some search but i have the same problem |
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| 19:43.49 | Diopter | kamran: You might need to make an xorg.conf with a Device section. |
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| 19:44.23 | Diopter | kamran: Like... edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, put: Section "Device" \n Identifier "Nvidia" \n Driver "nouveau" \n EndSection |
| 19:44.37 | Diopter | kamran: Or Driver "nvidia", depending on which you have installed/activated |
| 19:46.03 | kamran | specially when i try to use "nvidia x server setting" it suggest me to run nvidia-xconfig to create a xorg.conf and when i try it after restarting the x server my monitor(maybe laptop) hang with a dark screen and i fored to remove the xorg.conf |
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| 19:46.29 | Diopter | kamran: Yes, you don't need an explicit xorg.conf |
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| 19:46.44 | kamran | Diopter i try it to see what happens |
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| 19:48.15 | efazati | please help | tcpdump - How to capture images transferred via HTTP? - Unix and Linux - Stack Exchange -> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/38203/how-to-capture-images-transferred-via-http |
| 19:48.43 | kamran | Diopter there is no 20-nvidia.conf in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
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| 19:49.12 | kamran | there is just thease three files 10-evdev.conf 20-wacom.conf 50-synaptics.conf |
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| 19:49.41 | Diopter | kamran: Edit it. Meaning... create it, in this case. |
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| 19:49.53 | Diopter | kamran: And I hope you know that when I typed \n I mean "hit enter". I.e., put a newline. |
| 19:49.55 | kamran | Diopter oh thanks |
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| 19:52.43 | kamran | Diopter i created the mentioned file what should i do next? |
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| 19:54.15 | Diopter | kamran: Restart X to see if it picks up the driver you specified. |
| 19:56.01 | batlock | Diopter, so that's an asound.conf? |
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| 19:56.43 | Diopter | batlock: Yeah. You can stick it in /etc, or rename it .asoundrc and put it in your home directory, if you're running per-user pulseaudio. |
| 19:56.49 | Diopter | batlock: (which is the default on Debian) |
| 19:57.15 | batlock | and i then have to log out then back in? |
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| 19:59.09 | Diopter | batlock: For pulse/alsa contentions, yes. Though there still might be ALSA-using daemons that would need restarting. Which is why I suggested init 1 -> C-d to do what's basically a fast reboot |
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| 19:59.25 | Diopter | batlock: But that was my suggestion for After you had the proper asound.conf to force ALSA -> pulse routing |
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| 19:59.35 | batlock | aah |
| 19:59.41 | batlock | well lemmie try that now |
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| 20:00.58 | kamran | sorry that i left the room actually after restarting the x server i lost it but diopter,hopefully i had the consoles and i managed to remove nealy created file it seemd not working! |
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| 20:02.00 | batlock | well it's still not working right |
| 20:02.26 | Pnoexz | hey guys, im trying to run this script http://pastebin.com/zzuKgVLT at start up, i just ln'd it to /etc/init.d/ but its not working. im probably doing something wrong, but no idea what. |
| 20:02.40 | Pnoexz | running the script once the system booted works |
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| 20:02.55 | batlock | and now i get ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:995:(_snd_pcm_pulse_open) Unknown field fallback |
| 20:03.01 | batlock | when i try the aplay Noise.wav |
| 20:03.35 | kamran | Diopter and others don't you have any other advise for me? |
| 20:03.56 | Diopter | batlock: Take out the "fallback" lines, then. |
| 20:04.06 | Diopter | batlock: Only the type line is important. |
| 20:04.54 | batlock | YES |
| 20:04.58 | batlock | i get sound from aplay |
| 20:05.02 | Diopter | w00t |
| 20:05.12 | batlock | but |
| 20:05.28 | batlock | firefox playing a youtube and my vm playing sound don't work at the same time |
| 20:06.08 | Diopter | batlock: Try running "alsamixer" from a terminal (alsa-utils package if it's not there) |
| 20:06.09 | gnarface | batlock: that's a security measure of most VMs - sharing hardware capable of DMI is a fundamental breach of security |
| 20:06.37 | Diopter | gnarface: He should be using ALSA -> Pulse mapping now, so it's not direct ALSA sharing. Shouldn't apply. |
| 20:06.56 | gnarface | hmm. noted |
| 20:07.36 | gnarface | Diopter: can that still work if the physcial audio card isn't capable of hardware-level muxing? |
| 20:07.46 | Diopter | batlock: Hit F6 in there, which will bring up a list of sound cards. If the default conf is setup right, you should see a Pulse card as the first/default, and your physical card next |
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| 20:08.23 | batlock | yep |
| 20:08.35 | kamran | please help me too about nvidia graphic card problem |
| 20:08.45 | batlock | so there's no way to make my vm and my firefox play at the same time then |
| 20:08.50 | Diopter | gnarface: Yes. Because Pulse talks directly to the hardware, presenting only a single stream that's premuxed, and the asound.conf presents an ALSA muxer that's implemented by pulse. |
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| 20:09.13 | Diopter | batlock: There absolutely should be. Install "pavucontrol" so you can actually see your pulse in/out devices and in/out streams. |
| 20:09.15 | gnarface | huh |
| 20:09.23 | gnarface | maybe pulse audio is useful for something after all.... |
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| 20:09.48 | jelly-home | gnarface: it's very useful when it works |
| 20:09.56 | Diopter | gnarface: It's Incredibly useful for a ton of things. Integrates bluetooth audio support, gstreamer support, can run LADSPA plugins, HDMI passthrough, keeps per-application device/volume settings |
| 20:10.18 | gnarface | bluetooth would be nice |
| 20:10.19 | Diopter | Not to mention the main feature -- per-application routing and volume itself. |
| 20:10.20 | jelly-home | hdmi is buggy |
| 20:10.35 | Diopter | jelly-home: Mostly due to ALSA HDMI 'cards' being buggy, in my experience :/ |
| 20:10.40 | gnarface | fuck hdmi |
| 20:10.44 | gnarface | fuck it right in the goat-ass |
| 20:10.56 | karlpinc | gnarface: Too late. It already fucked you. |
| 20:11.01 | gnarface | sighs |
| 20:11.02 | gnarface | i know |
| 20:11.04 | batlock | Diopter, so when vbox is open, my youtube doesn't show up in pavucontrol |
| 20:11.04 | jelly-home | Diopter: sees only one hdmi/spdif device, when I have one onboard, and one on nvidia |
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| 20:11.28 | jelly-home | Diopter: known issue |
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| 20:11.45 | Diopter | jelly-home: Blegh. Probably need to multiplex the underlying ALSA devices to present them as multiple virtual devices Pulse can see. |
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| 20:13.19 | batlock | so as long as my vm is open nothing in firefox plays sound |
| 20:13.24 | batlock | still |
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| 20:13.47 | Diopter | batlock: What hypervisor? Also, when firefox/VM are playing, do you see streams for them show up under the playback tab in pavucontrol? |
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| 20:14.28 | batlock | Diopter, well as long as pavucontrol was open nothing in firefox would play sound. i'm using virtualbox |
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| 20:14.51 | kamran | hi guys as i already mentioned the nvidia graphic card is not known after upgrade what should i do? |
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| 20:15.40 | pjc_ | kamran: what driver are you using? |
| 20:15.43 | batlock | but yes i did see the vm in pavucontrol |
| 20:16.01 | batlock | but i don't see firefox in there at all |
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| 20:16.27 | pjc_ | restricted? opensource? |
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| 20:16.41 | kamran | pic_, i don't know maybe nouveo or nvidia? how can i underestand? |
| 20:16.59 | Diopter | batlock: ... I wonder. Are you on x86_64? |
| 20:17.03 | batlock | bigmem |
| 20:17.06 | Pnoexz | hey guys, im trying to run this script http://pastebin.com/zzuKgVLT at start up, i just ln'd it to /etc/init.d/ but its not working. im probably doing something wrong, but no idea what. Running the script after it booted up works |
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| 20:17.19 | batlock | Linux rinku.twmi.rr.com 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 06:12:49 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:17.42 | Diopter | batlock: Ok, so x86. |
| 20:17.51 | Diopter | batlock: Sec |
| 20:17.54 | batlock | kk |
| 20:18.24 | gnarface | in my experience, xorg fails to auto-detect shit |
| 20:18.33 | pjc_ | kamran: lsmod | grep video |
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| 20:19.01 | pjc_ | kamran: check that with your xorg.conf |
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| 20:19.27 | Iridos | I never tried to smear shit into my xorg, so I guess I cannot comment |
| 20:19.41 | batlock | lol |
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| 20:20.00 | Diopter | batlock: Try installing pulseaudio-module-x11, libpulse0, pulseaudio-esound-compat, in that order, checking to see if it works after each one. You might also try restarting firefox after each. |
| 20:20.16 | kamran | pic_,for videodev uvcvideo and for video there is 0? |
| 20:20.26 | Diopter | batlock: I'm thinking that flash in Firefox is wrestling ALSA control away from other things because it's missing a library |
| 20:20.32 | karlpinc | !tell Pnoexz about lsb tags |
| 20:20.38 | gnarface | where shit == nvidia cards ... yea its an acquired taste i think |
| 20:20.50 | kamran | pic_, there is no xorg.conf |
| 20:21.04 | batlock | all already installed it says |
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| 20:21.27 | Pnoexz | karlpinc: oh, thanks, no wonder why i couldnt get it done |
| 20:21.28 | Iridos | kamran, you have to make one with X -configure - there is none by default, everything is supposed to be autoconfigured |
| 20:21.37 | Iridos | dpkg, tell kamran about xorg.conf |
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| 20:22.19 | Iridos | dpkg, tell kamran about xorg config squeeze |
| 20:22.25 | Diopter | batlock: Try this, replace the contents of your asound.conf with the entries here: http://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/debiansqueezefixesenablesoundinflash |
| 20:22.27 | kamran | iridos i think if i create one by nvidia-xconfig the monitor stop working(also laptop too) |
| 20:22.41 | Diopter | batlock: The one I gave you before had only !default's, not the devices *named* "pulse" |
| 20:22.48 | batlock | aah |
| 20:22.59 | Diopter | batlock: Then restart firefox, try again |
| 20:23.07 | pjc_ | kamran: how did you install the kernel module? |
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| 20:23.33 | pjc_ | originally like |
| 20:23.36 | kamran | pic_,parden me what did you mean by installing the kernel |
| 20:23.52 | kamran | pic_,ya i didn't modify it |
| 20:24.01 | Iridos | kamran, well, do so and look what the error is? Worst case your graphics card is not supported by the nvidia driver you installed |
| 20:24.46 | kamran | iridos,but till a few days ago which i was using debian 5 i didn't have problem with graphic card |
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| 20:25.26 | Iridos | hmm |
| 20:25.39 | Iridos | doesn't help, you gotta figure out what causes the error |
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| 20:26.23 | pjc_ | kamran: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:26.32 | kamran | iridos,i created already xorg.conf with nvidia.xconfig but as i said ting restathe x server i don't have even console access to os |
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| 20:27.19 | Diopter | kamran: After you installed "nvidia", did you reboot? You mentioned nouveau was already installed, which means the nouveau kernel module would still be loaded, and providing the framebuffer |
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| 20:27.37 | Diopter | kamran: A reboot would be required. And, possibly, depending on the order you did things, explicitly choosing the proprietary nvidia driver with update-alternatives |
| 20:27.44 | Diopter | And/or blacklisting nouveau |
| 20:28.09 | kamran | diopter,should i remove nouveau packages first and restart the laptop? |
| 20:28.17 | alicia_b | karlpinc: SpComb: Diopter: Hey, I unplugged the hard drive cables, plugged them back in, and everything seems to be running good again. ty ty |
| 20:28.24 | Pnoexz | is there any way to test the LSB headers on a script without having to reboot? |
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| 20:28.29 | Diopter | alicia_b: Awesome. Glad to hear it. |
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| 20:28.59 | kamran | pic_,i will check the link later |
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| 20:29.31 | Diopter | kamran: If your goal is to use the proprietary driver, then that's probably a good way to go about it, yes |
| 20:31.02 | kamran | diopter,may be i disconnect again by rebooting hoping then you all be here and for start should i recreate the 20-nvidia.conf? |
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| 20:32.13 | Diopter | kamran: You'll likely need it. Xorg seems to only check for "intel", "nv" and "ati" as drivers. |
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| 20:32.43 | Cryp71c | Setting up this new squeeze server, should I use apt-get or aptitude or should I download / install things from source to ensure I have the version I need/the most up to date version? |
| 20:33.22 | Diopter | Cryp71c: If you're using Squeeze, but you want "the most up to date versions", you're already doing it wrong :) |
| 20:33.37 | pjc_ | Cryp71c: depends on your situation, aptitude should do fine for the most |
| 20:33.56 | Diopter | Cryp71c: The point of Squeeze is stability. Up to date usually != stable. If you want newer versions of things, step one is looking at backports, so as little as possible is introduced into the stable system. |
| 20:33.58 | pjc_ | Cryp71c: also aptitude would be a personal pref, all to their own etc |
| 20:34.12 | kamran | Diopter, ok let me check what happens bye:-( |
| 20:34.13 | Diopter | Cryp71c: If you care more about new vs stable, you should think about upgrading. |
| 20:34.20 | Diopter | kamran: Good luck! |
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| 20:34.52 | Cryp71c | Well, this is a production server, so stable is a priority, thanks. Aptitude vs apt-get? |
| 20:35.12 | pjc_ | aptitude |
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| 20:37.02 | Diopter | Cryp71c: Aptitude will attempt to do more extensive dependency conflict resolution, as well as provide you with finer grained recommendations on accompanying packages. |
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| 20:38.50 | Pnoexz | is there any way to test the LSB headers on a script without having to reboot? |
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| 20:39.14 | pjc_ | Cryp71c: I recommend using apticron for update notifications |
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| 20:40.41 | TheWarden | Can one remove Evolution without removing gnome-core? |
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| 20:41.13 | Cryp71c | Thanks guys, see you tomorrow. |
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| 20:47.07 | Diopter | Pnoexz: Not sure what you mean by "test the LSB headers". We talking about LSB = Linux Standard Base? If so, 'test' the headers? What test? |
| 20:47.08 | karlpinc | !tell Cryp71c about overview |
| 20:47.08 | karlpinc | Pnoexz: Run insserv and see if it bitches/logs anything. |
| 20:47.08 | Diopter | TheWarden: Seemingly not. Gnome depends on it according to apt-cache rdepends evolution |
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| 20:47.26 | Pnoexz | Diopter: those are run level |
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| 20:47.32 | Pnoexz | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 20:49.27 | TheWarden | Diopter: that's what I thought. Seems silly to have to be forced to keep an application that isn't going to be used. |
| 20:49.40 | Diopter | TheWarden: I agree. That's one of the reasons I don't use Gnome! ;P |
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| 20:49.56 | kamran | hi again |
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| 20:50.44 | TheWarden | Diopter: oh this is a Gnome specific issue only? Odd... always liked Gnome at least before 3.0 as I've had very little experience with that. However LXDE appears to be good and well KDE is too heavy for my liking. |
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| 20:53.32 | Diopter | TheWarden: Gnome isn't exactly lightweight these days, you might notice. |
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| 20:53.35 | kamran | Diopter thank you for you advise to remove nouveau packages, I did it but if i create 20-nvidia.conf file the monitor goes onto a blikning state whithout any usable x server so when I removed it now everything is ok, thank you all for you help and good bye. |
| 20:53.35 | Diopter | kamran: Sure thing. Glad you got it worked out. |
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| 20:53.36 | guardian | is it normal a fresh squeeze install doesn't have /tmp on tmpfs? |
| 20:53.36 | gnarface | guardian: yes |
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| 20:54.39 | guardian | gnarface: how do I add one? via /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:55.06 | TheWarden | Diopter: well that is true and mainly why I prefer 2.x. Eventually I'll venture away. Its too bad a good thing has to get bloated over time. |
| 20:55.16 | gnarface | guardian: yea, pretty much just add it and mount it. move the old one out of the way if you want to save disk space |
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| 20:56.16 | gnarface | guardian: make sure you know what your'e doing though - make sure you add enough space to it |
| 20:56.16 | Diopter | gnarface, guardian: Check /etc/default/rcS, at the end |
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| 20:56.16 | gnarface | Diopter: hah! super easy. nice, thanks for the tip. |
| 20:56.16 | Diopter | I was under the impression it was in Squeeze as well, but at least in Wheezy/testing, there's "RAMTMP=yes" |
| 20:56.21 | Diopter | Sure thing. |
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| 20:59.00 | gnarface | wants to cause an e16 revival |
| 20:59.00 | gnarface | hates KDE and Gnome. |
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| 20:59.00 | guardian | not sure RAMPTMP=yes is supported in squeeze |
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| 21:03.32 | Diopter | guardian: Might not be. |
| 21:03.32 | guardian | also /etc/default/tmpfs refers to TMPFS_SIZE |
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| 21:03.32 | guardian | not sure whether adding TMPFS_SIZE= will do the same as SHM_SIZE= |
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| 21:03.32 | Diopter | Could check my Squeeze boxes I rarely log into.... |
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| 21:03.32 | guardian | and hmm is there a way I can test the effect of changing /etc/default/blah? without rebooting? |
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| 21:08.03 | jelly-home | guardian: restart the service using it? |
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| 21:09.26 | guardian | jelly-home: well in my case it's /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 21:09.27 | jelly-home | this will not be an easy thing to do in case of /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 21:09.30 | guardian | ok |
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| 21:52.53 | EagleScreen | !lenny |
| 21:52.54 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 21:54.29 | EagleScreen | !sarge |
| 21:54.29 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
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| 22:04.02 | _aeris_ | hello #debian |
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| 22:10.16 | KeatonT | hello _aeris_ |
| 22:10.31 | Iridos | ha... you are #debian |
| 22:10.37 | _aeris_ | ^^ |
| 22:10.40 | _aeris_ | just a question |
| 22:10.52 | _aeris_ | currently, kdepim is only at 4.4.11 |
| 22:11.07 | _aeris_ | and just a bunch of bug with kde 4.7 |
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| 22:11.19 | Iridos | that's not a question |
| 22:11.20 | _aeris_ | but the only « integrated » mail reader with kde |
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| 22:11.39 | _aeris_ | is there any plan to have a most decent mail reader ? |
| 22:11.51 | _aeris_ | ubuntu have 4.8.X for kdepim =( |
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| 22:12.04 | Iridos | actually it's 4:4.4.7-3 in stable |
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| 22:12.20 | _aeris_ | Iridos > testing for me =) |
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| 22:13.16 | MrHatter | when i load an external disk with an ext3 filesystem on it and it requires an fsck, it happens in the background and shows up as a running process, how can see the progress of this fsck ? |
| 22:13.24 | KeatonT | kernel update recently? |
| 22:14.02 | _aeris_ | on testing, kde sc is 4.7.4, but kde pim 4.4, and seems this « cohabitation » leads to huge bugs |
| 22:14.11 | _aeris_ | kde plasma crash on each logout |
| 22:14.15 | _aeris_ | hang on login |
| 22:14.28 | _aeris_ | multiple popup on startup, etc… |
| 22:14.52 | Iridos | judd, versions kdepim |
| 22:14.54 | judd | Package: kdepim on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-5; squeeze: 4:4.4.7-3; sid: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-1; wheezy: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-1 |
| 22:15.21 | Iridos | well... a) themill will be pleased that he's right and nobody reads topics and b) a newer version enters sid whenever the maintainer (or some other developer) uploads it and it's accepted |
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| 22:15.25 | _aeris_ | judd, versions kde-workspace |
| 22:15.26 | judd | Package: kde-workspace on i386 -- sid: 4:4.7.4-2; wheezy: 4:4.7.4-2 |
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| 22:16.00 | Iridos | look in the bts... possibly file a bug saying a newer version is out and the old one hits problems |
| 22:16.50 | _aeris_ | problem, all board and other thing seems dead >< |
| 22:16.51 | craigevil | from what i understand the plan is to have kde 4.8.4 in wheezy so it is ready for release |
| 22:17.09 | Iridos | like... http://bugs.debian.org/kdepim ... saying new version is out is a wishlist bug, though |
| 22:17.20 | Iridos | or compile your own based on the current package |
| 22:17.22 | _aeris_ | craigevil > kde-sc is ready |
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| 22:17.32 | _aeris_ | kde-pim, just dead >< |
| 22:17.52 | craigevil | until then you if want a newer kde compile it or use a different distro |
| 22:18.15 | craigevil | kmail sux anyway, use icedove/thundebird with lightning |
| 22:19.04 | _aeris_ | <craigevil> kmail sux anyway, use icedove/thundebird with lightning |
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| 22:19.14 | _aeris_ | this is my opinion too |
| 22:19.23 | _aeris_ | but icedove is not so integrated |
| 22:19.45 | _aeris_ | gpg is just a nightmare on icedove |
| 22:19.55 | xand | it's not at all |
| 22:20.01 | xand | install enigmail |
| 22:20.03 | craigevil | nope use the enigmail extension works just fine |
| 22:20.04 | _aeris_ | not integrated at startup and in systray |
| 22:20.54 | _aeris_ | enigmail doesn't work as well as kontact with multiple mail account |
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| 22:22.09 | xand | shrug, works great for me. |
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| 22:27.28 | Killebrew | Hello, I'm having some problems with Exim4 and mailman, I followed the doc in /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian.gz but the routing isn't working |
| 22:28.40 | Killebrew | I'm debuggin with a telnet connection and Exim responds: "550 Unrouteable address" to my request of "RCPT TO: list@mydomain.tld" |
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| 22:33.47 | karlpinc | Killebrew: I don't know exim4, but often it's easiest to use dpkg-reconfigure on the package. That covers many of the use cases. (You can then tweak from there.) |
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| 22:35.51 | Killebrew | karlpinc: I will try that |
| 22:35.57 | petemc | Killebrew: exim -d -bt is a more useful debugging too |
| 22:35.58 | petemc | l |
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| 22:37.11 | scwizard | I'm using the default MTA, and when the network is screwy, it will take foreverrrr to boot on startup |
| 22:37.33 | scwizard | how cna i configure exim4 so that it doesn't hang like this in adverse network conditions? |
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| 22:39.08 | petemc | scwizard: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#Why_does_exim_take_such_a_long_time_to_start.3F |
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| 22:40.25 | scwizard | cool ty |
| 22:40.36 | Killebrew | petemc: Thanks, the router doesn't recognize the listname, I'll check it out. |
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| 22:42.13 | kingsley | What's a good gui tool for deleting files with names that defy the command line, like ???zq}??ksX?X?8?Z????u ? |
| 22:42.37 | kingsley | I'm thinking of something like mc. |
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| 22:46.00 | tedski | on up to date debian squeeze, default gnome2 install... "Pointer can be controlled using the keypad" seems to be a stuck setting. No matter what I select in System -> Keyboard -> Mouse Keys, I can't use numpad for numbers. |
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| 22:46.23 | tedski | is there another way to set this setting? |
| 22:46.33 | Floyd42 | #ubuntu |
| 22:47.55 | kingsley | tedski: Maybe the numlock key is set. |
| 22:47.55 | Iridos | dunno, on this fvwm2, I just can use shift-cursor to move the mouse |
| 22:48.02 | tedski | kingsley: hammering the numlock key is ineffective |
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| 22:52.10 | Killebrew | It was the config generator, I was modifying the split conf but the update-exim4 was reading the single file one. |
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| 23:04.54 | [sr] | howdy |
| 23:05.36 | [sr] | i just updated to mysql 5.5, and now i get a cannot open file, error 24, from what i see and what i googles, it's the openfile limit that is beeing set in some script, just cant figure where |
| 23:05.49 | [sr] | if I run mysql without the init.d/mysql script, it works OK |
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| 23:06.47 | BusMaster | when an external usb drive is automounted, I want it to be writeable by normal users. how can I get that in squeeze without messing with the fstab? |
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| 23:07.52 | gnarface | BusMaster: make a directory on the drive and make it writable by the users |
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| 23:08.51 | BusMaster | gnarface, hmm, yes.. but that works around the problem, instead of solving it. When I was using ubuntu, any random usb device plugged in was user writeable.. it would be nice to have something like that |
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| 23:09.46 | gnarface | BusMaster: you should reconsider your stance on not messing with the fstab. that's the right and proper way to accomplish what you want |
| 23:10.05 | BusMaster | gnarface, your approach means that every time a new usb pen drive is plugged in, someone with root previliges must first make a writeable folder |
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| 23:10.49 | gnarface | BusMaster: yea it would require that - and as a result arbitrary users wouldn't be able to write to shit you didn't personally grant them access to |
| 23:11.09 | BusMaster | gnarface, doesn't the fstab approach make the mountpoint static? I would like the mountpoint to be the volume label, under /media |
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| 23:11.15 | gnarface | BusMaster: there's probably a system group you can add all the users to as well (maybe that's what ubuntu does) but you should be aware this also reduces security drastically |
| 23:11.29 | BusMaster | gnarface, like plugdev? |
| 23:11.34 | gnarface | BusMaster: no idea |
| 23:11.54 | BusMaster | gnarface, yes, i acknowledge the security issue |
| 23:11.57 | gnarface | BusMaster: its such a catastrophically bad idea you're trying to get to here that i've literally never looked into it |
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| 23:12.45 | gnarface | BusMaster: fyi fstab supports volume labels as well as UUIDs |
| 23:13.11 | BusMaster | gnarface, well, I am trying to get my parents to use debian.. and it would be nice if they can plug in a usb drive and write to it, without bothering with root privileges. Surely that is a wide-spread use case |
| 23:13.43 | BusMaster | gnarface, oh, i didn't know about fstab support for volume labels.. I'll read up on it |
| 23:14.21 | gnarface | BusMaster: yea you'd think. i suspect it may be a group issue. check the default groups for the user you can do this with on ubuntu and then compare them to your debian groups |
| 23:14.43 | BusMaster | gnarface, will do. Thanks for the guidance |
| 23:14.43 | gnarface | BusMaster: debian will always err on the side of security over convenience in defaults |
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