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| 00:11.06 | sioux_ | which software can i use to internal communication for enterprise? if jabber is the answer, how can i use jabber with IM gateway (to MSN), logging the conversation and friendly web interface |
| 00:11.50 | sioux_ | in this moment i'm using openfire, but the kraken gateway can transfer files |
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| 00:17.54 | scwizard | when I try to access this cisco web interface |
| 00:18.01 | scwizard | I get ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap |
| 00:18.28 | scwizard | or "Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm" |
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| 00:24.34 | funkadelic | In rsync, I've been using the --size-only option for a while (I didn't know about the -t option), and now I don't want to use it any more. The problem is that my mirrors are resyncing all the files. I think the problem is a difference with timestamps between the original and the 2 mirrors. How can I restamp or sync the times so rsync doesn't keep trying to sync identical files? |
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| 00:33.12 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:33.22 | lenswipe | anyone know a good way to play a ps1 game on debian with an emulator? |
| 00:33.25 | lenswipe | its on a CD btw |
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| 00:37.09 | karlpinc | funkadelic: There's some sort of "be sloppy with timestamps" option. You'd have to see if this would re-sync the time -- or if you can use it to force timestamp resync. |
| 00:39.01 | funkadelic | I just got it resolved in #rsync karlpinc, but thanks for the reply. It turns out using the -t option makes it do a delta transfer, which shows as a crazy high MBps, and actually only changes the metadata. After a single sync like this, it should be worked out |
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| 00:46.32 | mycae | Hi, I am having some problems with browsing a BT device with obex after updating. It pairs, and I can send files via blueman, but I can't browse the device (its a phone). |
| 00:47.03 | mycae | is there some way to query the bluetooth stack? Its all a bit of a black-box.. |
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| 00:48.57 | mycae | sdptool gives me a "no route to host" error |
| 00:49.34 | gnarface | mycae: i don't know the answer to your question but it may be informative for you to know that obexftp push/pull only works for me in squeeze. it seems to have been broken in sid for quite a long time now and there are no signs of anyone fixing it |
| 00:49.42 | gnarface | mycae: or even giving a shit |
| 00:50.07 | mycae | Its weird, I can push, but thats it. Documentation appears nonexistant. |
| 00:50.15 | mycae | or at least not easy to find. |
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| 00:50.53 | gnarface | mycae: seems to be like ppp in that respect |
| 00:51.10 | mycae | :( |
| 00:51.18 | gnarface | :( |
| 00:51.50 | Blackshirt | Good morning |
| 00:52.36 | gnarface | mycae: i can only advise trying it in squeeze instead. that's likely to be the only way to get bluetooth to do anything useful within a year's time, unless you're some sort of bluetooth stack coding pro |
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| 00:53.40 | gnarface | mycae: honestly i don't see it ever working again quite frankly. even the most experienced linux gurus i've talked to say "bluetooth? why would you do that when you can just buy a 5,000$ mac" |
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| 01:37.55 | Funnyman3595-egg | Hey, folks, I've got a bit of a problem. One of my machines has a dying disk in it, already taken out of use and kept around purely for paranoia's sake. |
| 01:38.18 | Funnyman3595-egg | Problem being, while doing a system update, grub decided it wanted to plumb the drive's secrets to look for other OSes. |
| 01:38.29 | Funnyman3595-egg | Despite it not being mounted. |
| 01:38.35 | Funnyman3595-egg | So I've got two problems: |
| 01:39.22 | Funnyman3595-egg | 1. How do I get the system out of an IO failure loop on /dev/sdb5, when I've already killed dpkg and that didn't help? |
| 01:39.51 | Funnyman3595-egg | 2. Can I convince the system to ignore the drive more fully, short of pulling it out of the system? |
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| 01:46.48 | iluminator101 | hey i need to squeeze 10.24mb out a filesystem what filesystem takes up the least space? |
| 01:47.36 | gnarface | iluminator101: one with smaller default block sizes than ext4 |
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| 01:48.09 | iluminator101 | gnarface, what filesystem is that |
| 01:48.18 | gnarface | iluminator101: all of them |
| 01:48.26 | Funnyman3595-egg | Or just lower the block size manually. |
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| 01:48.43 | gnarface | Funnyman3595-egg: no, ext4 can't be lowered below its default 1k block size. its unique in that respect |
| 01:48.59 | Funnyman3595-egg | Well, that's silly. |
| 01:49.17 | gnarface | Funnyman3595-egg: or some other word that starts with s ... |
| 01:49.18 | iluminator101 | sell whats the smallest of the bunch msdos? |
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| 01:49.31 | iluminator101 | well* |
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| 01:50.13 | gnarface | iluminator101: your harddrive probably won't go below physical .5k block sizes anyway, which pretty much anything BUT ext4 will do (i think) so take your pick |
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| 01:50.49 | NotJimCarrey | ok, stupid question, but would switching from ubuntu to debian require a full reinstall? |
| 01:50.57 | iluminator101 | no its a cf card i can't fit pfsense 4gig on it by 10.24mb and that is really pissing me off |
| 01:51.27 | Funnyman3595-egg | How big is the drive, anyway? |
| 01:51.36 | Funnyman3595-egg | Ah. |
| 01:51.37 | iluminator101 | and it says its 4gig kingston cf card |
| 01:51.45 | gnarface | iluminator101: .5k physical block sizes are pretty standard. i doubt the cf card is different in this respect but i've never actually touched one |
| 01:51.55 | Funnyman3595-egg | Perhaps a compressed file system? |
| 01:52.03 | gnarface | Funnyman3595-egg: no seriously... anything but ext4 |
| 01:52.09 | iluminator101 | like what |
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| 01:56.20 | gnarface | iluminator101: i'm forced to recommend xfs or jfs because my primary choice will get me banned from the channel talking about it. its *taboo* ... theoretically btrfs might also be a good choice but i wouldnt know nor would anyone sane because its still experimental |
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| 01:57.14 | iluminator101 | gnarface, them pm me |
| 01:57.18 | Flynsarmy | I've installed the gotdeb repo on debian and it's installed an unstable version of mysql - keeps crashing. How can i install the equivalent of ubuntu's ppa-purge to revert everything back to the versions in the official debian repo? |
| 01:58.45 | peterrooney | gnarface: who would ban you? |
| 01:58.59 | iluminator101 | the killer file system |
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| 02:03.59 | gnarface | peterrooney: abrotman obviously. i'm not allowed to speak of... the forbidden filesystem (dun dun dunnnnn!) |
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| 02:05.36 | dvs | HPFS? |
| 02:05.49 | dvs | :-P |
| 02:07.28 | ectospasm | heh, I saw some yahoo in another channel write "NTFS" when he meant "NSFW". Imagine my surprise when I followed the link. At work. |
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| 02:09.27 | Funnyman3595-egg | Okay, managed to solve problem 1. |
| 02:09.39 | Funnyman3595-egg | "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/delete" |
| 02:09.45 | Funnyman3595-egg | And suddenly sdb is no more. |
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| 02:10.00 | Funnyman3595-egg | So the system gave up on trying to access it. |
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| 02:10.31 | nsadmin | less enterkey, more content |
| 02:11.23 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: If you think I'm being bad about that, you haven't spent *nearly* enough time in IRC. |
| 02:11.24 | KeatonT | lol |
| 02:12.14 | iluminator101 | is there a hardened distro of debian stable ? |
| 02:13.08 | peterrooney | iluminator101: there is the harden package. |
| 02:13.44 | nsadmin | Funnyman3595-egg, oh, maybe you weren't aware... sorry... |
| 02:13.51 | nsadmin | it's channel policy |
| 02:13.59 | peterrooney | iluminator101: it conflicts with a bunch of (but not all) of the most problematic packages |
| 02:14.07 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: less enterkey, more content |
| 02:14.10 | peterrooney | !enter |
| 02:14.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:14.51 | Funnyman3595-egg | There's a difference between spamming lines and having a few that are short near each other. |
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| 02:15.23 | ectospasm | Funnyman3595-egg: but you run the risk of your sentences being interspersed with unrelated messages. Thus harder to read. |
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| 02:16.41 | Funnyman3595-egg | ectospasm: Certainly. And if I have a single coherent thought that best fits on one line, I will use one. However, in that case, the quoted command was best off on its own line, and the last line was an afterthought. |
| 02:17.09 | nsadmin | Funnyman3595-egg, AND, if you got your problem solved, -great!- so glad it worked out |
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| 02:17.58 | Funnyman3595-egg | Anyway, half done. Figured out how to disable it now, but I still need to figure out how to turn it off pre-emptively in the future. |
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| 02:18.36 | nsadmin | is there a device on sdb? |
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| 02:19.29 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: Yeah, a dying disk. It's not mounted anywhere, and mostly kept around because I never bothered to uninstall it after transferring data. |
| 02:20.00 | Funnyman3595-egg | I'd really like to be able to tell the driver "Just ignore this device. Pretend it doesn't exist." |
| 02:20.35 | nsadmin | Funnyman3595-egg, is the machine a remote? |
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| 02:20.47 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: Nah, it's sitting about 2-3 feet to my left. |
| 02:21.15 | deuterium | hm.. how do i install the source package of the quota.deb? |
| 02:21.26 | karlpinc | Funnyman3595-egg: Better to remove it. Save on power, and more importantly, the box will cool better. |
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| 02:22.05 | karlpinc | deuterium: You need to put the source repo in your sources.list. (man sources.list) |
| 02:22.10 | deuterium | i was searching for "quota" using aptitude, but there's only the binary .deb package. i need the source package to recompile quota. |
| 02:22.12 | Funnyman3595-egg | Mmm. Probably true, but I'm not really fond of opening up computers. Hardware isn't my thing. |
| 02:22.30 | nsadmin | one wah to solve this suggests itself... shut down, pull the data and/or power cables, start it, done! |
| 02:22.31 | deuterium | karlpinc: ah ok.. is it disabled by default? hm |
| 02:22.37 | deuterium | karlpinc: thx |
| 02:23.03 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: Eh, at that point, might as well just pull it out entirely. |
| 02:23.15 | Funnyman3595-egg | shrugs. |
| 02:23.23 | karlpinc | deuterium: Then use "dpkg" to get/unpack/etc. the source. |
| 02:23.24 | nsadmin | true |
| 02:23.47 | nsadmin | and then, if the drive is bad, you could then throw it out :) |
| 02:23.49 | karlpinc | Funnyman3595-egg: Depends on whether the screws/etc are easy to get to. |
| 02:24.58 | Funnyman3595-egg | The other half was the important one, really. I can actually finish the system update I tried to start now. |
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| 02:25.08 | deuterium | karlpinc: is there an easy way to create a .deb again if i just need to basically have a quota that was compiled with the flag --enable-proc-mounts=/etc/mtab ? |
| 02:25.53 | nsadmin | Funnyman3595-egg, is there an sdc which is involved in your system? |
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| 02:27.44 | karlpinc | deuterium: Yes, there's an "easy" way to create the .deb again. I would think very easy, but I don't know what it is. See the developer's manual or poke about the factoids, like <ssb>. |
| 02:28.33 | deuterium | karlpinc: ok, thanks for the hint |
| 02:28.49 | karlpinc | deuterium: You might also tell the channel what you're really trying to do to see if that's really the best way to do it. |
| 02:28.50 | jordanm | from a source package? |
| 02:29.11 | deuterium | karlpinc: ok |
| 02:29.13 | karlpinc | jordanm: Yes. |
| 02:29.14 | deuterium | jordanm: yes |
| 02:29.25 | sioux_ | in this moment i'm using openfire, but the kraken gateway can transfer files |
| 02:29.27 | sioux_ | which software can i use to internal communication for enterprise? if jabber is the answer, how can i use jabber with IM gateway (to MSN), logging the conversation and friendly web interface |
| 02:29.29 | jordanm | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 02:30.11 | deuterium | jordanm: hm.. |
| 02:30.15 | jordanm | sioux_: MSN and jabber are different protocols, where is the need for integration? |
| 02:30.17 | nsadmin | what's the difference between that, and running fakeroot debian/rules three times? |
| 02:30.43 | deuterium | jordanm: and where would i specify the --enable-proc-mounts=/etc/mtab flag i want it to use for configure/make? |
| 02:30.49 | jordanm | dpkg-buildpacakge is a "helper" script. you could always do it manually if you really wanted to |
| 02:30.50 | karlpinc | sioux_: My understanding is that jabber gateways to everything. |
| 02:30.58 | jordanm | deuterium: debian/rules |
| 02:31.28 | nsadmin | well that's probably where it is in most packages |
| 02:31.32 | jordanm | karlpinc: AFAIK, only to other things using XMMP, which does not include MSN |
| 02:31.37 | jordanm | it would incle google talk |
| 02:31.59 | jordanm | deuterium: what package are you looking at? |
| 02:32.37 | sioux_ | jordanm, atualy i m using Openfire (is a XMPP server) and this program had a plugin that do 'transport' between jabber and msn |
| 02:32.39 | karlpinc | jordanm: Are you talking about the protocol or the program? |
| 02:32.48 | deuterium | jordanm: ok, so i download the source package, install it. then it gets expanded somewhere.. perhaps in /usr/src.. then i'd search for it and edit debian/rules, then i'd use dpkg-buildpackage as you told. correct? |
| 02:32.53 | jordanm | karlpinc: protocol |
| 02:32.58 | deuterium | jordanm: quota.deb |
| 02:33.19 | karlpinc | jordanm: I'm more interessted in the program. |
| 02:33.33 | deuterium | jordanm: need to recompile it as a workaround for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=629903 (see also http://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1721) |
| 02:33.38 | nsadmin | , versions quota |
| 02:33.39 | karlpinc | jordanm: (At least when it comes to gateway/logging/etc.) |
| 02:33.39 | judd | Package: quota on i386 -- lenny: 3.16-7; squeeze: 4.00~pre1-6; sid: 4.00-3; wheezy: 4.00-3 |
| 02:33.41 | sioux_ | karlpinc, with which jabber serveR? |
| 02:33.46 | jordanm | deuterium: yes, edit the ./configure line in debian/rules |
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| 02:34.04 | deuterium | jordanm: ok, thanks! |
| 02:34.58 | karlpinc | sioux_: Jabber, I thought. But I don't really know anything, it's all 2nd hand. You'll do better talking with someone who's actually worked with it. |
| 02:35.18 | sioux_ | so thanks |
| 02:35.19 | sioux_ | =) |
| 02:35.29 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: Sorry, had connection issues for a bit there. No, no sdc. |
| 02:35.46 | Funnyman3595-egg | Aside, perhaps, from the occasional USB stick. |
| 02:36.47 | nsadmin | ok, so there wouldn't be risk of renaming issue by removing the drive... system update? what's preventing that right now? or did I get that right? |
| 02:37.04 | karlpinc | sioux_: |
| 02:37.11 | karlpinc | aptitude show jabberd14 |
| 02:37.26 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: The whole debacle was triggered by a grub update. |
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| 02:37.52 | nsadmin | oh, and it found something on sdb |
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| 02:38.07 | Funnyman3595-egg | nsadmin: As it reconfigured and ran autodetect, it stuck its fingers where they didn't belong, and the drive bit them off. |
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| 02:38.33 | Funnyman3595-egg | Not incidentally making the entire system grind to a near-halt. |
| 02:39.07 | nsadmin | oh, grub tried to access the bad drive and happened to access some of the bad sectors |
| 02:39.29 | Funnyman3595-egg | (I actually thought it *was* dead the first time. Second time, I noticed that some of my SSH windows were still usable, and discovered that it would eventually respond to stuff that his disk, for some values of "eventually".) |
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| 02:40.27 | karlpinc | wonders if the mbr is on the bad drive |
| 02:41.05 | nsadmin | after soft-deleting sdb, were you able to run update-grub? |
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| 02:41.52 | Funnyman3595-egg | karlpinc: Nah, sdb is an old drive that started failing, but lasted long enough that I got a chance to transfer everything to sda. |
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| 02:42.10 | Funnyman3595-egg | None of it would have really been painful to lose, but it would have been annoying. |
| 02:42.15 | krisfremen | and you still have it connected? |
| 02:42.23 | Funnyman3595-egg | Inertia. |
| 02:42.31 | Funnyman3595-egg | It hasn't disconnected itself yet. :P |
| 02:42.40 | sioux_ | karlpinc, =) |
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| 02:43.09 | nsadmin | so it's looking like the drive railed -hard- |
| 02:43.26 | Funnyman3595-egg | I'll get around to it eventually. Not worth the trouble just this moment, since the system is happily ignoring it this boot. |
| 02:44.13 | Funnyman3595-egg | Probably take care of it sometime tomorrow. No rush, but I don't want to forget about it either. |
| 02:44.32 | nsadmin | I guess you could stick that command you did in /etc/rc.local |
| 02:44.42 | Funnyman3595-egg | Ewww. |
| 02:44.51 | nsadmin | agreed |
| 02:45.04 | nsadmin | pull the drive :) |
| 02:45.09 | Funnyman3595-egg | nods. |
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| 02:55.38 | deuterium | jordanm: if i install a self-compiled .deb, should i add some special version meta information somewhere in ./debian/rules (i couldn't find any version meta information there though) to not confuse my debian installation? or is the best practice to not change the version meta information? |
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| 03:02.55 | deuterium | where would i adjust the version information of a self-compiled .deb? there's no ./debian/version file or anything similar i can see. |
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| 03:04.53 | deuterium | hm.. netsplit? |
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| 03:10.14 | karlpinc | deuterium: The kernel-package package has some concrete advice in it's /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ dir (iirc). The canonical place to look is, I think, in debian-policy. |
| 03:11.17 | deuterium | karlpinc: thanks.. i think the version itself needs to be put in ./debian/control according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-binarycontrolfiles |
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| 03:13.50 | Diopter | deuterium: You could apt-get source <somepackage> and look in it. |
| 03:14.08 | adrakoa | hello |
| 03:14.11 | deuterium | Diopter: i'm already doing this with the quota.deb package |
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| 03:15.03 | deuterium | strangely, it has no "version" property in debian/control, only "Standards-Version: 3.9.1" |
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| 03:16.15 | deuterium | ah lol, that's the version of the policy, not of the package :) http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version |
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| 03:16.35 | deuterium | i guess i'll explicitly add a "version" property there then |
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| 03:17.39 | deuterium | i wonder though why there isn't any already.. it's mandatory according to the policy (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version), but quota.deb doesn't seem to have any. |
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| 03:18.58 | Diopter | deuterium: It's in the .spec file |
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| 03:20.35 | deuterium | Diopter: and where's the .spec file? i can't find any in quota.deb, i.e. the accordingly expanded sources of the according source package |
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| 03:21.29 | anticw | does someone maintain an apt-source or similar where i can get testing from a specific date? |
| 03:21.53 | anticw | usually testing is fine but i recently did a dist-update and got an horric regression which is hard to characterize |
| 03:22.48 | Diopter | deuterium: Hrmm.... looking in the quota package |
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| 03:22.58 | Diopter | anticw: What sort? |
| 03:23.08 | adrakoa | bye bye |
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| 03:23.14 | coppro | hey |
| 03:23.15 | anticw | basically kwin/windows got 'slow' to respond |
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| 03:23.20 | coppro | which of the 8 dvd images should I use? |
| 03:23.24 | anticw | minimize via keypress takes maybe 1s before it happens |
| 03:23.38 | anticw | restoring chrome means it renders very slowly |
| 03:23.46 | karlpinc | anticw: Probably snapshot.debian.orc. |
| 03:23.48 | Diopter | anticw: Have you checked which processes are running to see if anything is using a lot of CPU? See if your RAM/load average is high? |
| 03:23.51 | anticw | i have dpkg.log so i can see where i need to go back to |
| 03:24.01 | anticw | Diopter: nothing is using much cpu |
| 03:24.15 | karlpinc | coppro: Generally, none. You probably want the netinstall image. |
| 03:24.23 | anticw | it's a core i7 4x laptop with nv and usually pretty snappy ... a delay of 100ms you can fell, this is more like 500ms or more |
| 03:24.26 | anticw | very noticable |
| 03:24.58 | coppro | karlpinc: Which one is that? |
| 03:25.13 | coppro | I'm installing to a server VM via qemu's curses interface, if it matters |
| 03:25.26 | Diopter | anticw: What packages where upgraded in the dpkg.log? |
| 03:25.35 | Diopter | anticw: If it's a lot, pastie it |
| 03:25.36 | nsadmin | coppro probably none... you really want a huge download? or lots of little downloads, when you need them? |
| 03:25.37 | karlpinc | !tell coppro about netinstall |
| 03:25.51 | gwakao | i don't get lags even in a vm - when play hd videos |
| 03:26.00 | anticw | Diopter: nothing i suspect directly, not much at all ... not kwin ... so i want to roll those back and test |
| 03:26.08 | anticw | it's possible it's something else but i can't think what |
| 03:26.15 | jordanm | deuterium: debian/control |
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| 03:27.06 | deuterium | Jordan: thx.. i'm looking there already.. strangely, the quota .deb has no "Version: 4.00-pre1' specified there |
| 03:27.07 | anticw | Diopter: it's not much, let me find a pastebin |
| 03:27.13 | Diopter | anticw: Is your load average high when this is happening? |
| 03:27.17 | anticw | no |
| 03:27.26 | deuterium | oop.. i meant jordanm |
| 03:27.46 | jordanm | deuterium: oops, debian/changelog |
| 03:27.55 | deuterium | jordanm: so i wonder whether i should explictly add it there |
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| 03:28.26 | jordanm | deuterium: won't hurt, looks like dpkg-buildpackage can specify a version, but I have never used it |
| 03:28.31 | Diopter | anticw: What about if you run "top", and hit "1" to show a per-core breakdown. Do you see any particular stat across the cores that's a high %? |
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| 03:28.40 | anticw | Diopter: i did that |
| 03:28.46 | deuterium | jordanm: are you sure? does dpkg-buildpackage really take the verison number from the changelog? isn't this just a purely informal file for the admin who will finally install the .deb? |
| 03:28.50 | jordanm | deuterium: you will probably want to hold or pin your package as well |
| 03:28.57 | Essobi | Is there a debian arm channel? |
| 03:28.58 | jordanm | deuterium: no |
| 03:29.19 | jordanm | deuterium: dpkg-buildpackage doesn't take this information, dpkg-deb does |
| 03:29.28 | anticw | Diopter: http://pastebin.com/RufZVrnt |
| 03:29.49 | deuterium | jordanm: ah ok.. so the changelog is really used to determine the version of the .deb? |
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| 03:30.07 | Diopter | anticw: You're using KDE, but a lot of those updates were gnome/gtk3 |
| 03:30.22 | anticw | Diopter: there is no gnome, it's gtk crap for a few things |
| 03:30.27 | anticw | there was some x libs |
| 03:30.31 | anticw | this is why i'm mystified |
| 03:30.37 | anticw | if i can roll back those i can look elsewhere |
| 03:30.42 | Diopter | mm |
| 03:30.56 | Diopter | anticw: You probably still have the older versions in your package cache. |
| 03:31.05 | anticw | i apt-get clean often |
| 03:31.09 | anticw | shitty ssd |
| 03:31.09 | Diopter | Doh :P |
| 03:31.23 | anticw | i have replacement ssd's but didn't dd the data over yet |
| 03:31.23 | Diopter | How do you mean? Low space available? |
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| 03:31.45 | anticw | samsung ssd w/o trim .... so writes are slow ... and on low-space it seems worse |
| 03:32.04 | nsadmin | coppro, hmm. is this server remote (thousands of miles away) or local (on your lap)? will the server have internet access? |
| 03:32.06 | anticw | my guess is that apt-get clean and rewriting data the ssd sees rewrites on the same blocks and behaves less shitty |
| 03:32.20 | coppro | nsadmin: remote and access |
| 03:32.23 | jordanm | deuterium: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#changelog |
| 03:32.26 | coppro | nsadmin: I am trying the netinstall |
| 03:32.26 | anticw | i have some intel 520s, an intel 320 and some intel 330s ... i just didn't replace yet |
| 03:32.34 | karlpinc | Essobi: Yes. You'll probably find it by asking the bot. ("/msg dpkg arm" in your irc client.) |
| 03:33.10 | nsadmin | coppro, were you able to configure net access early? |
| 03:33.44 | nsadmin | if so... you're all set! |
| 03:34.03 | coppro | nsadmin: should be able to; it should have an IP reserved |
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| 03:34.11 | anticw | Diopter: so snapshot doesn't have a (virtual) apt-source for each data? |
| 03:34.15 | anticw | i have to go get each pkg? |
| 03:34.20 | nsadmin | oh, do you know what the IP is? |
| 03:34.26 | Diopter | anticw: Actually don't know. |
| 03:35.48 | Fudge | hi I have debian 6.0.4 amd64 netinstaller iso, does anybody know if this contains speech. |
| 03:36.22 | gwakao | speech? |
| 03:36.27 | coppro | nsadmin: no wait, hmm |
| 03:36.35 | coppro | nsadmin: might be a bit more work |
| 03:36.38 | karlpinc | Fudge: The netinstall itself has very little and downloads what it needs from the net. You'll probably want to install speech after installation. |
| 03:36.43 | coppro | but I think I can get this working somehow :P |
| 03:37.20 | nsadmin | coppro, maybe they set up their dhcp to feed you the right IP, or it might give you some other ip, which is ok for installing. on the other hand, dhcp might refuse, or there might be no dhcp... in these cases, you need to know your IP |
| 03:37.41 | coppro | nsadmin: it is supposed to be a webserver |
| 03:37.53 | coppro | it /should/ have an IP |
| 03:38.04 | Fudge | karlpinc I will grab a link to show you/someone, for testing it was a little unclear for me what to download |
| 03:38.33 | nsadmin | yes, and, you're installing debian which will either need to use dhcp (or something), or, will need you to type in the ip |
| 03:38.50 | nsadmin | coppro ^^ |
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| 03:39.00 | karlpinc | Fudge: If you want to install testing (better "/msg dpkg moving target" to be sure you really do) then you install stable and upgrade. |
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| 03:39.08 | Fudge | karlpinc http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/espeakup/ |
| 03:39.23 | nsadmin | maybe it's in one of the emails you got from the vm provider |
| 03:39.48 | karlpinc | Fudge: You might also be interested in the <introduction> and <overview> factoids from the dpkg bot. |
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| 03:40.23 | Fudge | karlpinc thank you for the info, I like to work with changing installs to assist with feadback for accessibility |
| 03:40.45 | Fudge | would like to see how things work in upstream, currently mostly I work with Ubuntu, end user |
| 03:41.17 | karlpinc | Fudge: The installers for testing are under development and may not work. But if you want to work with the installer developers you want #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. That's where they hang out. |
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| 03:42.08 | Fudge | thanks karlpinc im on that #debian channel but will also join that one. , wonder if samuel thibault is there |
| 03:42.54 | karlpinc | Fudge: So, you really wanted to know if speech was in the installer itself, not something that was installable. |
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| 03:43.48 | Fudge | karlpinc yes, if you take a looksy at that url i posted, it is a netinstall with espeakup working, the readme refers to later images but i was unsure which to grab |
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| 03:44.26 | karlpinc | Fudge: There's surely a mailing list too, but you may have to look via debian.org to find it. Dunno. |
| 03:44.48 | Fudge | thanks, cheers |
| 03:47.36 | Fudge | karlpinc the readme says wheezy images have speech as default |
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| 04:01.26 | youlysses | What all do I need for a sound support via alsa? I have 'alsa' and 'alsa-tools', but can't seem to get any actuall playback via emms... |
| 04:01.52 | craigevil | !alsa |
| 04:01.52 | dpkg | The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:02.19 | youlysses | !install alsa |
| 04:02.19 | dpkg | "aptitude -r install alsa-utils". After package installation, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. To set the default sound card, ask me about <default alsa>. |
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| 04:03.37 | youlysses | !alsa firmware |
| 04:03.37 | dpkg | Binary-only <firmware> was removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers at linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>. |
| 04:04.44 | youlysses | Weird. Alsa mixer reads like I should have audio, and EMMS says it's currently playing a song, but nothing... |
| 04:05.35 | coppro | nsadmin: any way to make the disc boot into text mode? |
| 04:05.39 | coppro | rather than graphics mode? |
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| 04:06.04 | youlysses | Choose text install at launch ...? |
| 04:06.11 | coppro | can't get to launch |
| 04:06.14 | coppro | since it goes into graphics mode |
| 04:06.21 | youlysses | Is it a default image? |
| 04:06.25 | coppro | it's the netinstall one |
| 04:06.43 | youlysses | It should still be on there. :-/ |
| 04:06.54 | coppro | yes, but I can't use graphics mode |
| 04:07.01 | coppro | if it ever goes to graphics mode, I can't use it |
| 04:07.10 | coppro | if it goes into graphics mode to let me pick text mode, I'm just as boned |
| 04:07.26 | youlysses | It should go to grub |
| 04:07.39 | coppro | I type 'install' |
| 04:07.41 | nsadmin | , versions ardour |
| 04:07.42 | judd | Package: ardour on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.8.11-3; sid: 1:2.8.12-1+b1; wheezy: 1:2.8.12-1+b1 |
| 04:07.46 | coppro | and it goes into graphics mod |
| 04:07.48 | coppro | *mode |
| 04:08.11 | nsadmin | guys n gals! ardour3 has midi sequencer :) |
| 04:08.26 | youlysses | coppro: I goes to a shell by default? |
| 04:08.45 | coppro | youlysses: no. it does not. |
| 04:08.50 | youlysses | nsadmin: Is that like a piano roll type thing, or? |
| 04:08.53 | coppro | I can get to the menu |
| 04:09.03 | coppro | HELP INDEX |
| 04:09.06 | coppro | KET TOPIC |
| 04:09.13 | coppro | <F1> This page, the help index. |
| 04:09.13 | coppro | etc. |
| 04:09.47 | coppro | as soon as the kernel loads, it goes into graphics mode |
| 04:10.03 | nsadmin | hmm. and you can't see anymore |
| 04:10.07 | youlysses | Maybe your burn is corrupt? |
| 04:10.24 | nsadmin | youlysses, there's a gui installer |
| 04:10.32 | coppro | youlysses: it's not a burn |
| 04:10.39 | coppro | freshly wgetten |
| 04:10.54 | nsadmin | coppro, what's the filename of it? |
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| 04:11.17 | coppro | nsadmin: debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:11.18 | youlysses | nsadmin: I know, but usually there is a install type menu, not an instant load to graphical mode. :-d |
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| 04:12.44 | nsadmin | youlysses, (ardour and midi) midi sequencing is similar in concept to piano roll, and you can also use midi to control midi-aware effects, like lexicon reverbs, etc |
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| 04:14.57 | youlysses | I still want to see a "midi-squencer" for emacs ... :-P |
| 04:15.53 | gwakao | or for cli |
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| 04:17.16 | youlysses | Eh, think I'd rather have it for emacs, just for the fact I rarely leave it. :-P |
| 04:17.28 | nsadmin | youlysses, (ardour and midi) ardour is a professional level multitrack recorder which started life as audio-only |
| 04:18.52 | nsadmin | it uses jack as underlying audio plumbing |
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| 04:21.17 | youlysses | nsadmin: Heard of it, never had intrest in it though. :-P |
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| 04:23.07 | nsadmin | youlysses, oh, ok |
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| 04:24.37 | anticw | Diopter: it's all better now |
| 04:24.44 | anticw | Diopter: but it's not clear what the cause is/was |
| 04:24.54 | youlysses | I have always wanted to do some 8bit-esque music. Why hasn't anybody made an instrument using only the keys on a keyboard?! |
| 04:24.54 | anticw | fontconfig perhaps |
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| 04:26.51 | ectospasm | youlysses: I had a software keyboard from Bell labs about sixteen years ago, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was called. |
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| 04:28.18 | koobs` | Hi, im having what looks like a timezone/time issue. Timezone was correctly set from install, and ntpd is running and keeping upto date. `date is currently reporting a time 1 hour in advance of the 'correct' time here, and hwclock is reporting the same |
| 04:28.39 | koobs` | Package txdata is also up to date |
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| 04:29.46 | youlysses | ectospasm: 1 awesome nick. 2 like it was a seperate keyboard? I mean like use a current keyboard and design a music instrument around it. |
| 04:30.30 | ectospasm | youlysses: no, it was a musical keyboard in software... I think it was a Win3.11 program |
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| 04:30.50 | ectospasm | and keys were mapped to the workstation's keyboard |
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| 04:31.47 | koobs` | cries |
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| 04:33.40 | boudiccas | can the bot [judd?] tell me what a particular program does? specifically 'k9copy'? |
| 04:33.51 | anticw | apt-cache show |
| 04:33.53 | anticw | should |
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| 04:35.28 | ectospasm | boudiccas: or aptitude show |
| 04:36.45 | youlysses | Bedtime. Peace people! o/ |
| 04:36.45 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks |
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| 04:59.20 | Diopter | koobs`: Still having the issue? |
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| 05:24.36 | mefistofeles | hey, just wondering if you know of a way of limiting the TOTAL RAM usage? Maybe something similar to ulimit but for all the processes not just a single one, thanks |
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| 05:25.33 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: why would you want to do that? |
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| 05:25.50 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: because nodes from a cluster I admin are dying becaus of that |
| 05:25.51 | ffm01011974 | !lista |
| 05:26.19 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: the nodes themselves shouldn't die; the OOM killer will just activate and kill off processes |
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| 05:26.48 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: however, in computing clusters the solution for you might be to turn of overcommit, but that rather depends on the actual code that the cluster is running |
| 05:26.57 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: well, ssh dies and that means (in a cluster) that the node dies |
| 05:27.04 | ffm01011974 | !lista |
| 05:27.05 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: uh... ssh shouldn't die |
| 05:27.10 | mefistofeles | it dies :S |
| 05:27.11 | dondelelcaro | ffm01011974: this isn't a warez channel. |
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| 05:27.25 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: what's the dmesg output when that happens? |
| 05:27.32 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: or the kern.log? |
| 05:27.40 | dondelelcaro | ssh should only be killed as a last resort |
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| 05:28.12 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: let me check |
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| 05:28.39 | dondelelcaro | well, rather, *sshd* should only be killed as a last resort; ssh processes themselves are of no account. |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | (sshd and udev are two of the daemons which have negative oom_adj and oom_score_adj, so they shouldn't be being killed by the OOM unless something has gone horribly wrong) |
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| 05:31.23 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: hmm, well, there's a lot in the log, I'm gonna make a pastebin of the important part if you don't mind checking it |
| 05:31.58 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: in order to see what is going on, I need to see all of the bits around where the OOM kills off sshd. |
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| 05:36.22 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.org/3887847 this is from kern.log .... I don't see anything suspicious in dmesg |
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| 05:38.46 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: as far as I can see only dbus-daemon rpc.statd get killed |
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| 05:39.39 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: yeah, and you probably have a NFS mounted set of directories, so the machine just deadlocked |
| 05:39.54 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: surely |
| 05:40.19 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: what to do in that case? |
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| 05:40.36 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: anyway, the solution to that is to set oom_adj to -17 for things like dbus-daemon and rpc.statd |
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| 05:40.59 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: and probably also automatically set processes like siesta to have a much higher oom_adj so they'll be killed |
| 05:41.11 | dondelelcaro | siesta invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x200da, order=0, oom_adj=-17 <-- this is bad. |
| 05:41.13 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks... though, mind guiding me through that? or maybe a link or something? |
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| 05:41.26 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: it's just /proc/<pid>/oom_adj |
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| 05:41.39 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: why is that bad? |
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| 05:41.49 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: presumably in this case, siesta is whatever you're running on the cluster, and it's set to not allow itself to be killed |
| 05:41.59 | mefistofeles | I see |
| 05:42.00 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: that's going to fail utterly |
| 05:42.02 | mefistofeles | bad indeed |
| 05:42.14 | mefistofeles | yeah, siesta is a scientific software we use |
| 05:42.17 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
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| 05:42.51 | dondelelcaro | I don't know particularly how siesta was coded; it may be possible to tweak it, or it may need to be run on machines without overcommit |
| 05:43.26 | mefistofeles | yeah, I don't know either, it's quite a huge software (and not that popular so the documentation is not great) |
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| 05:43.56 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, man 5 proc; has the documentation about oom_adj and oom_score |
| 05:44.15 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks, gonna check it |
| 05:44.23 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: np |
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| 05:51.48 | Blackshirt | Is debian plan for using unity desktop on next release? |
| 05:52.05 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: btw, it may affect the fact that siesta is run using mpirun? (if you know about mpi) |
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| 05:53.07 | mefistofeles | Blackshirt: I don't think so, but not sure |
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| 05:53.37 | VICODAN2 | hi |
| 05:54.01 | VICODAN2 | is there a debian packagers guide that anyone has readily available? |
| 05:54.04 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: it shouldn't matter |
| 05:54.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell VICODAN2 -about nm guide |
| 05:54.13 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 05:54.18 | VICODAN2 | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 05:54.19 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: at least, IME, mpirun doesn't set that itself |
| 05:54.30 | mefistofeles | yeah, I think that as well |
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| 05:55.31 | VICODAN2 | dondelelcaro: is there a debian packagers/devel channel? |
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| 05:58.25 | Blackshirt | Vicodan2, there are some resources for debian packaging guide |
| 05:58.25 | kryl | I have problem to compile dk-milter on squeeze with the following error message : "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmilter" any help ? |
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| 06:00.24 | Blackshirt | Privmsg, check milter library |
| 06:00.27 | Diopter | kryl: Install libmilter-dev |
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| 06:10.21 | kryl | Diopter, It's allready done but I have the same problem ! |
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| 06:13.03 | Diopter | kryl: Not sure offhand. Bedtime here, good luck |
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| 06:13.34 | kryl | perhaps there is a conflict with : libmilter1.0.1 |
| 06:14.26 | kryl | Diopter, good n8 :) |
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| 06:56.36 | Ironhand | hello; my Squeeze installs are reporting a security update for linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, but I can't find any details on the DSA list... any way to find out what the update is about? |
| 06:57.22 | nsadmin | Ironhand, create and read a source diff |
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| 06:57.51 | nsadmin | that way, you won't find out what it's ABOUT, you find out what it IS |
| 06:57.53 | Interwebs | guys, I'm about to install a win 7/wheezy dual-boot on a 500 gb hard drive. Any idea about how much room i should leave for debian? |
| 06:58.17 | nsadmin | 500gb |
| 06:58.19 | nsadmin | :) |
| 06:58.20 | Ironhand | nsadmin: true, but it assumes that I understand the relevant bits of code well enough (might not be a given esp. for kernel code) |
| 06:58.44 | Interwebs | nsadmin: if i didnt do multimedia production for a living.. |
| 06:59.00 | Ironhand | I'm just used to any security update having a corresponding DSA available so I'm trying to figure out why that's not the case here (or maybe it's just a delay?) |
| 06:59.55 | nsadmin | maybe you can find the particular patch security applied |
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| 07:00.18 | nsadmin | if it has a specific name, perhaps it's googleable |
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| 07:01.19 | jelly-home | Ironhand: read its changelog, for a start |
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| 07:02.25 | jelly-home | Ironhand: what are you going to use the linux installation for? |
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| 07:03.38 | Ironhand | jelly-home: it's actually a dozen or so installations that are all reporting the updates, mostly web/db VM's as well as 2 KVM machines |
| 07:04.28 | Ironhand | I'm just used to being able to quickly consult the security advisory in order to determine the risk level of the upgrade, so I'm mainly trying to figure out if that information is already available somewhere |
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| 07:05.17 | Ironhand | a bit too early in the morning for me to start digging through diffs, I'm going to check out the changelog though |
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| 07:06.33 | Ironhand | hmmmmmm.... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 - "Debian Changelog" link leads to a 404 |
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| 07:08.18 | SomeoneWeird | how hard is it to squeeze -> wheezy? |
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| 07:09.54 | wist | tar is good for incremental backups, but is there a way to use it for mirror backups ? |
| 07:10.31 | Ironhand | wist: have you looked at rsync(1) ? |
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| 07:11.42 | wist | Ironhand: it's on the list :) |
| 07:11.52 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird, easy, and there are recommended steps |
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| 07:12.15 | SomeoneWeird | nsadmin, got a link? i can't seem to find anything.. |
| 07:12.18 | threadlock | Ironhand: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-proposed-updates/linux-2.6_2.6.32-45_amd64.changes |
| 07:12.42 | threadlock | CVE-2012-2123 it seems |
| 07:13.07 | threadlock | found it through http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata |
| 07:13.09 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird, first, make sure you're upgraded to the latest squeeze (just do a dist-upgrade without changing sources.list) |
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| 07:13.26 | SomeoneWeird | yep, all good |
| 07:14.04 | Ironhand | threadlock: ah, thanks, that's useful information... my available version is still at -44, though, but I guess more stuff might still be incoming |
| 07:14.22 | SomeoneWeird | what next? |
| 07:14.27 | ronny | mon |
| 07:14.35 | nsadmin | ok, then change sources.list to wheezy, update, |
| 07:14.39 | nsadmin | !kernels |
| 07:14.41 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.4-rc6 , stable 3.3: 3.3.5 , stable 3.2: 3.2.16 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 (EOL), stable 3.0: 3.0.31 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.11 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120508 |
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| 07:14.57 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 07:14.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-44); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 07:15.13 | nsadmin | what's your arch? |
| 07:15.16 | SomeoneWeird | x64 |
| 07:16.29 | nsadmin | after you do that, aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 07:16.42 | nsadmin | and reboot |
| 07:17.20 | SomeoneWeird | hm i replaced squeezy with wheeze and did update && upgrade and still said no updates |
| 07:17.23 | nsadmin | DO NOT remove old kernel |
| 07:17.23 | SomeoneWeird | probably did something wrong |
| 07:17.35 | SomeoneWeird | yeah |
| 07:17.38 | nsadmin | by doing what |
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| 07:17.48 | SomeoneWeird | hm? |
| 07:17.57 | SomeoneWeird | wheezy* |
| 07:18.09 | nsadmin | exact text of last 3 commands |
| 07:18.19 | SomeoneWeird | used nano and did it manually |
| 07:18.28 | SomeoneWeird | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:18.35 | SomeoneWeird | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:21.49 | nsadmin | ok, so I'll repeat the steps I recommend |
| 07:21.58 | nsadmin | if you agree to listen |
| 07:22.28 | SomeoneWeird | um yeah, did i miss something? >.< |
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| 07:22.47 | nsadmin | after you do that, aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 |
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| 07:22.52 | nsadmin | and reboot |
| 07:22.56 | nsadmin | DO NOT remove old kernel |
| 07:23.04 | SomeoneWeird | ohh ok, |
| 07:23.31 | oskie | hello, it is possible to set up a a debian repository locally that fetches packages on demand? i.e. it mirrors only used packages |
| 07:23.37 | SomeoneWeird | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64" |
| 07:23.57 | nsadmin | ok, aptitude install nopaste |
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| 07:24.06 | nvz | oskie: sure |
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| 07:24.18 | nsadmin | (to avoid pastebin.com which should die a very unnatural lingering death) |
| 07:24.31 | nvz | oskie: apt-cacher is one such proxy which is very easy to setup |
| 07:24.36 | SomeoneWeird | hm, im using a custom mirror, maybe it doesnt have wheezy |
| 07:24.57 | nsadmin | then, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
| 07:25.12 | nsadmin | oh, and change sources.list back forst |
| 07:25.14 | nsadmin | first |
| 07:25.51 | SomeoneWeird | kk |
| 07:26.00 | oskie | nvz: thanks, I'll look into it |
| 07:26.10 | nvz | oskie: basically you setup the machines to point to the apt-cacher proxy and pass it a real mirror URL, if it has the package you want it gives it to you, if not it fetches it from the official mirror you've provided and caches it for future use |
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| 07:27.45 | wist | which tools do you recommend for daily backups ? i'm lookin for something simple and effective |
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| 07:28.32 | nsadmin | when you run the nopaste, you will get a url, supply that url |
| 07:28.32 | SomeoneWeird | nsadmin, http://gist.github.com/2651679 |
| 07:28.36 | nsadmin | cool |
| 07:28.37 | SomeoneWeird | :) |
| 07:28.47 | SomeoneWeird | sorry had to install other dependencies |
| 07:28.53 | pyxorg | Hey |
| 07:29.09 | Ironhand | wist: I personally have great experiences with Dirvish, which uses a clever feature of rsync to create complete daily snapshots but only uses the amount of disk space an incremental backup would |
| 07:29.37 | pyxorg | I was wondering : aren't programs written in java supposed to be in "contrib" ? (As java is itself non-free) |
| 07:29.38 | Ironhand | wist: whether it's 'simple' depends on your level of experience with non-GUI applications |
| 07:29.51 | nsadmin | ok, all those are for squeeze... did you change them before doing the nopaste? |
| 07:30.17 | SomeoneWeird | yes |
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| 07:30.39 | nsadmin | ok, so now change to wheezy in the sources.list, then run aptitude update |
| 07:30.53 | nsadmin | do you notice problems/warnings/errors? |
| 07:31.00 | SomeoneWeird | nup, just nothing happened |
| 07:31.04 | wist | Ironhand: by simple i mean as simple as tar or rsync... command line is not a problem |
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| 07:31.14 | nsadmin | wait, do that now |
| 07:31.22 | SomeoneWeird | hm? |
| 07:31.37 | nsadmin | you already edited the file and ran aptitude update? |
| 07:31.50 | SomeoneWeird | no, doing it atm |
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| 07:32.00 | SomeoneWeird | i changed it back to install nopaste |
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| 07:32.05 | SomeoneWeird | <nsadmin> oh, and change sources.list back forst |
| 07:32.12 | nsadmin | good enuf |
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| 07:32.27 | Ironhand | wist: well, Dirvish is a fairly simple layer around rsync that provides the necessary logic to automatically manage backup images (daily or otherwise); if you understand rsync it's a small step to understanding Dirvish |
| 07:32.35 | nsadmin | so when you run the aptitude update, watch the output for problems |
| 07:32.52 | khem_ | /usr/bin/svn co http://192.168.1.6/svn/dfdf /sys/httpd/htdocs/ , I run this command to checkout my SVN tree. but all files ends up in htdocs/trunk , instead of htdocs/dfdf - what can I do about that? |
| 07:33.20 | wist | Ironhand: thaks i'll take a look |
| 07:33.24 | Ironhand | wist: http://wiki.edseek.com/howto:dirvish is a fairly good guide; you can skip all the installation stuff on debian and simply apt-get install dirvish |
| 07:33.32 | wist | thanks* |
| 07:33.56 | nsadmin | khem_, not totally sure... check #svn as better source of info |
| 07:34.17 | SomeoneWeird | ok 404's for wheezy-updates for that mirror |
| 07:34.18 | SomeoneWeird | but thats all |
| 07:34.31 | nvz | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 07:34.32 | nsadmin | ok, that sounds good |
| 07:34.54 | nvz | dpkg: test |
| 07:34.54 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 07:34.57 | nvz | obviously |
| 07:35.06 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird, now, aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 07:35.22 | SomeoneWeird | lol |
| 07:35.24 | cumrun | hi all |
| 07:35.32 | nsadmin | let it install whatever deps it wants |
| 07:35.37 | nvz | cumrun: not yet, but we're working on it |
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| 07:36.11 | cumrun | nvz on nvidia graphic card you mean? |
| 07:36.29 | nsadmin | no, on hiing all |
| 07:37.12 | cumrun | i have problem with vi |
| 07:37.25 | nvz | me too, its annoying |
| 07:37.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | mash escape |
| 07:37.30 | nvz | heh |
| 07:37.35 | nsadmin | so do I... solution: use kwrite! |
| 07:38.07 | SomeoneWeird | nano! |
| 07:38.08 | SomeoneWeird | :P |
| 07:38.09 | cumrun | but i used to vi specially in text mode |
| 07:38.16 | SomeoneWeird | and ok thats done nsadmin |
| 07:38.29 | nvz | real programmers use butterflies! http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 07:38.31 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird, looks like it installed ok? |
| 07:38.53 | SomeoneWeird | yep looks like it found everything |
| 07:39.41 | nsadmin | ok good... remember, don't remove older kernel. |
| 07:39.48 | SomeoneWeird | yep |
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| 07:40.15 | nsadmin | ok, reboot into new kernel |
| 07:40.28 | SomeoneWeird | alright, brb |
| 07:41.17 | nvz | I did that today and the wheezy kernel crashed virtualbox |
| 07:41.22 | nsadmin | , versions perl-modules |
| 07:41.24 | judd | Package: perl-modules on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny5; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze3; sid: 5.14.2-9; wheezy: 5.14.2-9; sid: 5.14.2-10 |
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| 07:44.17 | SomeoneWeird | ok, back |
| 07:44.39 | nsadmin | cool, that worked? what does uname -r say? |
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| 07:44.53 | SomeoneWeird | adam@adam-desktop:/$ uname -a |
| 07:44.55 | SomeoneWeird | Linux adam-desktop 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 30 05:20:23 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:45.01 | SomeoneWeird | worked :) |
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| 07:45.12 | nsadmin | looks that way... great :) |
| 07:45.51 | nsadmin | in as root and... aptitude install perl perl-base perl-modules bash dpkg apt aptitude |
| 07:46.14 | nsadmin | this is a really old way to go about this btw :) |
| 07:46.23 | SomeoneWeird | doesn't matter, as long as it works :) |
| 07:46.45 | SomeoneWeird | err |
| 07:46.46 | nsadmin | works every time I've suggested it, and the person did it slowly and in sync with mne |
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| 07:47.48 | nsadmin | that going ok? |
| 07:47.57 | SomeoneWeird | still reading it |
| 07:48.06 | SomeoneWeird | looks like its gunna break lots of packages |
| 07:49.05 | nsadmin | that's probably expected... at this point, I suggest you start a journal file, and put all the output of this aptitude call into it |
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| 07:49.21 | SomeoneWeird | hm |
| 07:49.22 | SomeoneWeird | ok |
| 07:49.33 | nsadmin | it's going to be good to save that stuff so you can refer to it and install what it may have removed later |
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| 07:49.40 | SomeoneWeird | :S |
| 07:49.40 | SomeoneWeird | ok |
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| 07:50.13 | nsadmin | you could put that in /home/you/installation-journal |
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| 07:50.20 | SomeoneWeird | ya |
| 07:50.23 | nsadmin | or /root/installation-journal |
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| 07:52.05 | BuisSse | hello |
| 07:52.16 | nsadmin | STELLO!!! |
| 07:52.31 | BuisSse | I wanted to know if its possible to create a Installer CD |
| 07:52.41 | nsadmin | yes it is |
| 07:52.44 | BuisSse | from an Installed OS |
| 07:52.46 | BuisSse | Debian OS |
| 07:52.55 | muskatnuss | morn |
| 07:52.56 | nsadmin | again, yes... |
| 07:52.59 | BuisSse | morn :-) |
| 07:53.10 | BuisSse | any opensource software I can use? |
| 07:53.20 | nsadmin | all is opensource |
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| 07:53.26 | nsadmin | as is the installer |
| 07:53.38 | SomeoneWeird | ok nsadmin thats done |
| 07:53.46 | BuisSse | :-) |
| 07:54.31 | nsadmin | BuisSse, I do know all of this is possible,,, and I don't know the whole deal, let's see... |
| 07:54.35 | nsadmin | !d-i |
| 07:54.35 | dpkg | 6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 07:54.45 | CruX| | BuisSse: ?? |
| 07:54.52 | BuisSse | I have a installed Debian OS |
| 07:54.57 | BuisSse | with stuff like Squid and SNort |
| 07:55.01 | CruX| | BuisSse: you can make a tar from installed rootfs |
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| 07:55.12 | BuisSse | want to make an installer wherein I install it on a new PC with SNort and Squid |
| 07:55.19 | BuisSse | rather than installing them separtely |
| 07:55.22 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird, ok, if you made the journal and the breakings caused packages to remove, you have a record of that |
| 07:55.29 | CruX| | BuisSse: then boot livecd, extract tar t new partition && update grub |
| 07:55.32 | SomeoneWeird | yep |
| 07:55.44 | nsadmin | ok, aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 07:56.12 | nsadmin | after that is done, you could consider rebooting, but we already installed and rebooted into the new kernel |
| 07:56.23 | SomeoneWeird | lol lots more breakages |
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| 07:56.52 | nsadmin | ok, so you might want to add that info to the journal |
| 07:57.17 | SomeoneWeird | yep i did |
| 07:57.27 | SomeoneWeird | gig of dl's so might take a while |
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| 07:58.02 | nsadmin | (it's possible you installed a few of the breaking packages from other sources, so you'll be able to figure all that out after that completes) |
| 07:58.17 | SomeoneWeird | yeah |
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| 07:58.48 | nsadmin | other than that, once that completes you should be all the way at wheezy |
| 07:59.02 | SomeoneWeird | i looked through most of the packages that it said would uninstall and it didnt look like anything major |
| 07:59.09 | SomeoneWeird | just libraries and stuff |
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| 08:00.34 | nsadmin | note that squeeze is a stationary target while wheezy is a moving target... suggest when you do additional upgrades you monitor what is about to be upgraded, check for bugs, suggest reading the reports of those bugs |
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| 08:01.09 | SomeoneWeird | yep cool |
| 08:01.16 | SomeoneWeird | one of the reasons im upgrading :) |
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| 08:01.54 | nsadmin | so, one reason is you want to do more management of your machine?! |
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| 08:02.16 | nsadmin | umm, oookkk... |
| 08:02.18 | SomeoneWeird | lol |
| 08:02.19 | SomeoneWeird | no |
| 08:02.25 | SomeoneWeird | newer packages |
| 08:02.33 | nsadmin | oh, |
| 08:02.36 | nsadmin | !SNS |
| 08:02.36 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 08:02.47 | SomeoneWeird | lmao |
| 08:02.55 | SomeoneWeird | meh |
| 08:03.30 | nsadmin | I already gave an overview on <moving target> |
| 08:03.42 | SomeoneWeird | ya |
| 08:04.14 | nsadmin | and having said all that, it's up to you, it's your box |
| 08:04.31 | SomeoneWeird | yep, thanks for the help :) |
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| 08:09.26 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird, welcome. As you will soon have "testing" anything you can do to find problems and give headsups to maints would be a great thing |
| 08:09.40 | SomeoneWeird | yep :) |
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| 08:14.30 | nsadmin | backups are good, especially any original material, like any scripts, stories, recipes, lyrics, chord progressions, melodies or anything else you created/invented/wrote |
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| 08:14.41 | musicman | only the best music on http://www.chc.tv |
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| 08:15.03 | in0cula | what is chroot in a server ftp? |
| 08:15.30 | Sm0ke0ut | makes sure that the user can't switch directories below the one you specified in the config |
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| 08:15.39 | Agiofws | hey |
| 08:15.58 | Agiofws | i have abuot 70MB free on my root folder which does not conatin my /home folder is there anyway i can free it with apt-get ? |
| 08:16.05 | Sm0ke0ut | e.g. when set to /home/ftp/welcome the can't go to /home/ftp |
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| 08:16.42 | in0cula | Sm0ke0ut: thank you!! |
| 08:16.45 | nsadmin | Agiofws, not with apt-get, got a spare hd? |
| 08:17.00 | Agiofws | apt-get clean ? |
| 08:17.03 | Sm0ke0ut | well, you can free some space by performing apt-get (auto)clean |
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| 08:17.22 | nsadmin | that would affect /var/dpkg/apt/archives |
| 08:17.25 | Agiofws | apt-get autoremove |
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| 09:10.07 | macmaniac | exit |
| 09:10.21 | cedr | try again |
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| 09:41.57 | SomeoneWeird1 | nsadmin: lol that update just fked my system |
| 09:41.58 | SomeoneWeird1 | >.< |
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| 09:44.46 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird1, what did it do? |
| 09:45.00 | SomeoneWeird1 | gnome doesnt start |
| 09:45.04 | SomeoneWeird1 | neither does wireless |
| 09:45.21 | nsadmin | ok, can you go to wired for a minute? |
| 09:45.24 | SomeoneWeird1 | yeah i am |
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| 09:46.00 | nsadmin | ok, so then it can get packages... you will probably want linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 09:46.25 | SomeoneWeird1 | cant find it |
| 09:46.39 | nsadmin | lessee... |
| 09:46.48 | SomeoneWeird1 | ? |
| 09:47.49 | nsadmin | , versions linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 09:47.50 | judd | No package named 'linux-firmware-nonfree' was found in i386. |
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| 09:48.04 | nsadmin | welp that would be why you couldn't find it... |
| 09:48.14 | SomeoneWeird1 | ya |
| 09:48.15 | SomeoneWeird1 | lol |
| 09:48.19 | nsadmin | , versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 09:48.20 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.35; wheezy/non-free: 0.35 |
| 09:48.24 | SomeoneWeird1 | ah |
| 09:48.30 | nsadmin | try that one :) |
| 09:48.36 | SomeoneWeird1 | uhoh |
| 09:48.46 | SomeoneWeird1 | lots of unmet dependencies |
| 09:48.57 | SomeoneWeird1 | looks mostly todo with vlc |
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| 09:49.19 | nsadmin | ok... hmm. try: aptitude -f install |
| 09:49.25 | SomeoneWeird1 | cant correct |
| 09:49.28 | SomeoneWeird1 | :S |
| 09:49.39 | nsadmin | ok, try dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 09:49.58 | SomeoneWeird1 | right |
| 09:50.06 | SomeoneWeird1 | says errors were encountered |
| 09:50.42 | nsadmin | would like to see em... let |
| 09:50.48 | nsadmin | ss see... try: |
| 09:51.03 | SomeoneWeird1 | kkwait |
| 09:51.08 | nsadmin | aptitude -f install 2>&1 | nopaste |
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| 09:52.18 | SomeoneWeird1 | ohwait, maybe that will work now |
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| 09:52.49 | SomeoneWeird1 | http://gist.github.com/2652206 |
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| 09:53.14 | SomeoneWeird1 | hm, looks like it didnt even finish 0.o |
| 09:53.23 | SomeoneWeird1 | -f install again? |
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| 09:54.33 | nsadmin | WWWOW!! |
| 09:54.46 | SomeoneWeird1 | ? |
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| 09:54.52 | nsadmin | I'll say :) |
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| 09:55.07 | nsadmin | try aptitude -f install |
| 09:55.07 | SomeoneWeird1 | -f install again? |
| 09:55.09 | SomeoneWeird1 | kk |
| 09:55.14 | nsadmin | and say y :) |
| 09:55.41 | nsadmin | now, this may not get wireless working, maybe gnome |
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| 09:55.48 | OrigenAG | Hey All, I have Googled this and unable to resolve the |
| 09:55.48 | OrigenAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.48 | OrigenAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.48 | OrigenAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:55.54 | SomeoneWeird1 | yeah, i should be able to fix wireless |
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| 09:55.56 | SomeoneWeird1 | and lol ^ |
| 09:56.16 | nsadmin | paragraphic pastey |
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| 09:56.45 | cdown | Is it possible to override the DHCP hostname when using preseed? |
| 09:56.45 | SomeoneWeird1 | sweet looks like that dpkg command fixed that |
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| 09:57.30 | nsadmin | cdown, probably, I would think you can take whatever from the dhcp you want |
| 09:57.34 | OrigenAG | Sorry :). Hey All. I have an issue where fdisk returns the error "cannot read /dev/sdd". I have removed and formated the disk in windows but still no luck under Linux. Anyone able to offer any suggestions? |
| 09:57.44 | nsadmin | by doing things like altering configs etc |
| 09:58.04 | nsadmin | OrigenAG, yue pasted paragraphically... |
| 09:58.40 | cdown | nsadmin: Really? That's not what the doc says |
| 09:58.54 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird1, did dpkg --configure --pending do things? |
| 09:58.55 | cdown | "# Any hostname and domain names assigned from dhcp take precedence over values set here." |
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| 09:59.15 | SomeoneWeird1 | nsadmin: it did, it spat out a couple errors though |
| 09:59.18 | SomeoneWeird1 | have to wait n see |
| 09:59.19 | nsadmin | cdown, what's a here? |
| 09:59.37 | cdown | netcfg/get_hostname |
| 09:59.43 | cdown | (and netcfg/get_domain) |
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| 10:00.13 | nsadmin | cdown, you may be able to configure your dhcp client to do it... btw, why does that matter for an install? |
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| 10:00.31 | cdown | nsadmin: I don't control the DHCP client on this network. It assigns a really wacky name. |
| 10:00.35 | cdown | Er, DHCP server. |
| 10:00.49 | cdown | And I don't understand why it wouldn't matter for an install, it's preseed after all |
| 10:00.51 | nsadmin | cdown, so you configure the dhcp -client- :) |
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| 10:01.05 | cdown | Preseed has DHCP client configuration options? |
| 10:01.19 | cdown | This is news to me... |
| 10:01.35 | nsadmin | well hold on one sec, let me finish or pause something else... |
| 10:01.56 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird1, so it's downloading a pile of stuff? |
| 10:02.04 | SomeoneWeird1 | unpacking |
| 10:02.08 | SomeoneWeird1 | already downloaded it all |
| 10:02.13 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 10:02.16 | SomeoneWeird1 | before it broke |
| 10:02.23 | nsadmin | oh good |
| 10:02.26 | SomeoneWeird1 | finishing up now |
| 10:02.39 | nsadmin | exactly how fast is that thing? |
| 10:02.46 | SomeoneWeird1 | hm? |
| 10:02.54 | SomeoneWeird1 | define thing :P |
| 10:02.59 | nsadmin | it's finishing up already? |
| 10:03.06 | SomeoneWeird1 | ya with errors >.< |
| 10:03.08 | nsadmin | the machine that's finishing up |
| 10:03.15 | SomeoneWeird1 | fast :P |
| 10:03.25 | nsadmin | emmadently |
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| 10:03.32 | SomeoneWeird1 | Current status: 83 broken [+71], 1078 updates |
| 10:03.55 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 10:04.01 | nsadmin | repeat these: |
| 10:04.23 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.33 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.49 | nsadmin | until both do nothing |
| 10:05.00 | nsadmin | you should at least be closer |
| 10:05.24 | SomeoneWeird1 | yer i think aptitude says less packages need to be updated |
| 10:05.46 | themill | what sort of insane upgrade is this? |
| 10:05.48 | nsadmin | cdown, so now, what are you trying to accomplish at the moment? |
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| 10:07.45 | SomeoneWeird1 | themill: lol, it fked up while going from squeeze -> wheezy |
| 10:07.49 | SomeoneWeird1 | now half my system doesnt work |
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| 10:08.22 | nsadmin | that should be temporary until it installs stuff |
| 10:08.48 | SomeoneWeird1 | yea |
| 10:08.52 | SomeoneWeird1 | hopefully |
| 10:08.57 | themill | is aptitude getting stuck in a trying to fix packages loop and then planning to uninstall lots? (if so, try apt-get -f install instead) |
| 10:09.05 | SomeoneWeird1 | tried |
| 10:09.24 | SomeoneWeird1 | looks like when i use dpkg --configure --pending it works for a few |
| 10:09.28 | SomeoneWeird1 | so ill just keep trying that |
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| 10:10.09 | cdown | nsadmin: I'm trying to override the hostname set by DHCP in preseed. |
| 10:10.45 | nsadmin | ok, so there's a problem with the name it sent? |
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| 10:11.00 | cdown | Yes, it's goofy because the network admins here are "special" |
| 10:11.16 | cdown | It insists on sending me what looks like line noise. |
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| 10:13.29 | BuisSse | Hello |
| 10:13.29 | nsadmin | oh ok... got it... the name looks unnamelike... that's reasonable... except, if this box is to operate on the net, both forward and reverse dns has to be set up and probably was as a result of the "special" admins |
| 10:13.47 | BuisSse | How do i make an installer cd for an already installed Debian OS |
| 10:14.06 | SomeoneWeird1 | http://www.remastersys.com/ |
| 10:14.11 | SomeoneWeird1 | BuisSse: ^ |
| 10:14.12 | BuisSse | thanks |
| 10:14.39 | cdown | nsadmin: It isn't to operate on the net. |
| 10:15.02 | cdown | (thankfully) |
| 10:15.07 | nsadmin | so it will be totally disconnected while it's in operation? |
| 10:15.11 | cdown | yes. |
| 10:15.29 | SomeoneWeird1 | just set a custom hostname then? |
| 10:15.30 | nsadmin | ok, what about making the adjustment after the install is done? |
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| 10:17.34 | cdown | Not really an option since it needs deploying. |
| 10:18.01 | cdown | I guess I could hook something to late_command, but it seems a bit odd that preseed wouldn't have anything to do this. |
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| 10:20.40 | nsadmin | you would adjust /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 10:20.57 | nsadmin | so no connection to any net at all? |
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| 10:25.25 | cdown | Outgoing, but not incoming, so it doesn't really matter. |
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| 10:30.43 | muskatnuss | my debian system on a server suddenly was not pingable anymore, i went to the machine and opened the case to see whats wrong, suddenly it rebooted |
| 10:30.55 | nsadmin | so you would install from the inside of the net where the dncp/dns names are weird/special, and move it to a different net? |
| 10:31.05 | muskatnuss | now im searching through my logs but i see between 09:13 and 12:21 there a no log entries |
| 10:31.08 | muskatnuss | how could this be ? |
| 10:31.40 | muskatnuss | or where do i find any information about the system failure ? |
| 10:32.00 | ksk | muskatnuss: take a look at your syslog |
| 10:32.09 | ksk | if there is nothing, you might not be able to find out what happend |
| 10:32.29 | muskatnuss | damn there is nothing ... between 09:13 and 12:21 |
| 10:32.44 | muskatnuss | well this is weird ... there is just a apache running on it with mysql |
| 10:32.44 | nsadmin | muskatnuss, I'd guess i froze at 9:13 |
| 10:32.58 | muskatnuss | so i need to check my ram for failure and cpu ? |
| 10:33.01 | nsadmin | what happened at 12"21? |
| 10:33.18 | muskatnuss | a normal boot occured at 12:21 |
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| 10:33.26 | muskatnuss | nothing special in the logs |
| 10:33.45 | muskatnuss | dmesg also gives me an probably normal output |
| 10:33.48 | cdown | nsadmin: no, but that shouldn't be an issue |
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| 10:34.07 | nsadmin | cdown, so the "no" is to? |
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| 10:34.50 | cdown | nsadmin: It will not be moved, but it won't be a problem. Trust me on this :-) |
| 10:35.04 | cdown | They don't communicate using hostnames anyway. |
| 10:35.48 | nsadmin | is this an internal net? |
| 10:35.53 | cdown | By the way, does anyone know if the libept1 debootstrap issue that was causing sid installation to fail is now fixed? |
| 10:36.10 | cdown | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 10:36.30 | cdown | Trust me. There's no need to worry about this. |
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| 10:37.52 | nsadmin | hmm, ok... if that's the case, the hostname itself shouldn't matter either |
| 10:38.12 | nsadmin | so, change it, or not change it... should be ok |
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| 10:39.16 | SomeoneWeird1 | think aptitude is nearly done |
| 10:39.17 | SomeoneWeird1 | finally |
| 10:39.18 | SomeoneWeird1 | lol |
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| 10:40.34 | nsadmin | as themill mentioned. if aptitude keeps cycling, maybe use apt-get -f install instead |
| 10:40.42 | SomeoneWeird1 | yea |
| 10:41.16 | nsadmin | you may also wish to split /home off if not already its own partition |
| 10:42.22 | nsadmin | at some point that is... what's more important is to back /home up |
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| 10:42.39 | SomeoneWeird1 | its not, but i have everything important stored on another partition :) |
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| 10:48.46 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird1, how's that going so far? |
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| 10:49.22 | SomeoneWeird1 | still setting stuff up |
| 10:49.26 | SomeoneWeird1 | unpackings all done |
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| 10:53.31 | nsadmin | that last run of aptitude, where it shows what would get removed, the part right before you said yes (aka what you pastebinned) should be added to your journal |
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| 10:53.50 | SomeoneWeird1 | ya |
| 10:53.56 | SomeoneWeird1 | ok its finished |
| 10:53.58 | SomeoneWeird1 | reboot? |
| 10:54.02 | nsadmin | no, |
| 10:54.20 | nsadmin | first try: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:54.28 | nsadmin | should do nothing, no output |
| 10:54.37 | SomeoneWeird1 | yep |
| 10:54.38 | SomeoneWeird1 | nothing |
| 10:54.52 | nsadmin | good... |
| 10:55.01 | nsadmin | now try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:55.15 | nsadmin | that should claim it's not going to do anything... |
| 10:55.31 | SomeoneWeird1 | yep |
| 10:55.33 | SomeoneWeird1 | looks good |
| 10:55.50 | nsadmin | ok, that sounds good |
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| 10:56.38 | nsadmin | the only thing you might want to do is look over the journal to see what packages you want that it removed |
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| 10:56.51 | SomeoneWeird1 | ill reboot and see if gnome is working first |
| 10:56.54 | nsadmin | other than that, you seem to be good |
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| 10:58.35 | SomeoneWeird1 | hm |
| 10:58.37 | SomeoneWeird1 | doesnt look it |
| 10:58.38 | SomeoneWeird1 | :( |
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| 10:59.07 | nsadmin | ok, try aptitude install gnome |
| 10:59.20 | SomeoneWeird1 | already installed |
| 10:59.36 | nsadmin | ok, try aptitude install gdm |
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| 11:00.22 | SomeoneWeird1 | package gdm is not available |
| 11:00.29 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 11:00.31 | SomeoneWeird1 | referred to by another packacge |
| 11:00.31 | krion | hi fellas |
| 11:00.37 | nsadmin | let's see |
| 11:00.47 | nsadmin | that could be part of the problem |
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| 11:00.58 | SomeoneWeird1 | yeah, most likely |
| 11:01.02 | krion | i wish to have openjdk7 and tomcat7 running on squeeze |
| 11:01.15 | SomeoneWeird1 | just booting into a tty |
| 11:01.17 | krion | i try to do pinning but it won't work |
| 11:01.45 | nsadmin | , versions gdm |
| 11:01.46 | judd | Package: gdm on i386 -- lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; squeeze: 2.20.11-4 |
| 11:01.47 | krion | i was wondering if anybody did it, i can not upgrade in wheezy since it's a production system |
| 11:01.58 | nsadmin | hmm... gdm is out?! |
| 11:02.15 | nsadmin | that could explain it... |
| 11:02.20 | nsadmin | aptitude install xdm |
| 11:02.50 | SomeoneWeird1 | do i set gdm3 or xdm to the default display manager |
| 11:02.55 | SomeoneWeird1 | , versions gdm3 |
| 11:02.56 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze4; sid: 3.0.4-4; wheezy: 3.0.4-4 |
| 11:03.02 | nsadmin | krion, production what? |
| 11:03.07 | SomeoneWeird1 | wheezy one there nsadmin ^ |
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| 11:03.16 | nsadmin | oh, try that :) |
| 11:03.21 | nsadmin | gdm3 |
| 11:03.40 | krion | nsadmin: production mean in french it's a public utilisation, not dev or staging |
| 11:03.47 | SomeoneWeird1 | installed |
| 11:03.52 | SomeoneWeird1 | (already was) |
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| 11:04.13 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird1, /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop |
| 11:04.15 | nsadmin | SomeoneWeird1, /etc/init.d/gdm3 start |
| 11:04.17 | krion | in fact i'm wondering what's the best setup in order to have a "stable" environnement running openjdk7 and tomcat7 |
| 11:05.06 | SomeoneWeird1 | ok nsadmin the screen flashed a bit and looks like the screen is just black now |
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| 11:05.31 | tremon | krion: I'm wondering what the business requirement is behind the need to conflate openjdk7 and "stable" |
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| 11:06.28 | SomeoneWeird1 | mm |
| 11:06.31 | SomeoneWeird1 | any ideas nsadmin ? |
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| 11:07.25 | krion | tremon: no businness, just developpers exigence (requirements from developers) |
| 11:07.35 | nsadmin | see what startx does |
| 11:07.48 | SomeoneWeird1 | nothing on the screen :P |
| 11:07.55 | SomeoneWeird1 | guess ill have to hardreset |
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| 11:08.03 | krion | SomeoneWeird1: ctrl alt f1 |
| 11:08.08 | tremon | krion: install them in /opt instead? |
| 11:08.09 | SomeoneWeird1 | tried |
| 11:08.09 | SomeoneWeird1 | nothing |
| 11:08.10 | krion | you will have something on the screen |
| 11:08.25 | SomeoneWeird1 | none of the tty's work |
| 11:08.31 | krion | tremon: i guess i'll do that if it's the better choice |
| 11:08.40 | krion | but i'm wondering about dependency |
| 11:08.50 | krion | and will rather not compile if possible |
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| 11:10.24 | SomeoneWeird1 | ok this could be a problem |
| 11:10.37 | SomeoneWeird1 | restarted, boots into deb... nothing on screen |
| 11:11.20 | nsadmin | so it's starting x probably... so, I have to go to be up in 6 hrs |
| 11:11.29 | tremon | krion: I was hoping openjdk would distribute binary tarballs, but it appears not |
| 11:11.30 | SomeoneWeird1 | mm ok |
| 11:11.35 | SomeoneWeird1 | well, thanks for the help |
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| 11:11.41 | SomeoneWeird1 | can anyone else help? :) |
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| 11:13.13 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1: if you repeat what your problem is, perhaps |
| 11:13.21 | nsadmin | one thing you might try is purge all of gnome and reinstall... it should all come from the package cache |
| 11:13.42 | s2r2 | Hello. I recently installed Debian/wheezy and noticed the following oddity: in aptitude, there are no package descriptions. Could anybody point me out what I missed? |
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| 11:13.56 | krion | tremon: too bad for me... |
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| 11:14.34 | krion | i could try to build openjdk7 and tomcat7 against a squeeze and do my own package too |
| 11:14.44 | SomeoneWeird1_ | silly interwebz |
| 11:14.45 | SomeoneWeird1_ | well i was going to wheezy from squeeze and the install broke somehow, fixed that, but gnome is refusing to start now |
| 11:14.46 | krion | but i would have prefer to use backports |
| 11:14.53 | krion | or wheezy packages |
| 11:14.58 | tremon | maybe you can request a backport? |
| 11:15.36 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: but you still have console access? Because you said that tty1 was all black |
| 11:15.51 | SomeoneWeird1_ | if i reboot into recovery yes |
| 11:15.53 | woshty | does someone know what those xorg.conf Option often used in evdev keyboard sections mean: evBits, keyBits, relBits, Pass? |
| 11:16.08 | krion | tremon: didn't know i can do that |
| 11:16.23 | SomeoneWeird1_ | when i do startx or gdm3 start it just goes black/blank |
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| 11:17.21 | tremon | krion: can't hurt to ask... http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 11:17.54 | SomeoneWeird1_ | so, yeah, i have no idea how to fix this or go about it lol |
| 11:18.03 | woshty | might those options all be deprecated? |
| 11:18.29 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: so, your problem is that your monitor goes black whenever debian boots? |
| 11:18.32 | nsadmin | krion, you shouldn't install binary packages onto your dist (squeeze) from another (wheezy), that will cause the dependency graph to get confused |
| 11:18.40 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: whenever x starts |
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| 11:19.05 | nsadmin | maybe look at the x log |
| 11:19.21 | SomeoneWeird1_ | wheres that? |
| 11:19.37 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: so if you disable gdm3, you can get to a working console without using a rescue mode? |
| 11:19.40 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:19.54 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: and how would i go about disabling gdm? |
| 11:20.05 | jelly | SomeoneWeird1_: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 11:22.24 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove |
| 11:22.36 | tremon | restore with update-rc.d gdm3 defaults |
| 11:22.46 | tremon | hopes that still works correctly under insserv |
| 11:23.00 | krion | nsadmin tremon: ok, what i will try is get the debian source package for openjdk-7-jre and tomcat7 and build it against my squeeze |
| 11:23.02 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i did echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 11:23.09 | SomeoneWeird1_ | or whatever the file is :P |
| 11:23.31 | tremon | ok, haven't used that one myself but since dpkg says it it must work :p |
| 11:23.46 | SomeoneWeird1_ | yep it does |
| 11:23.49 | SomeoneWeird1_ | got a shell now |
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| 11:24.42 | tremon | krion: ask dpkg about ssb, if you haven't already |
| 11:24.50 | krion | ssb ? |
| 11:24.57 | krion | !dpkg ssb |
| 11:24.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:24.57 | esto | some tool in apt that can show the total traffic of the ips ? |
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| 11:25.17 | tremon | krion: you're at step 3 already |
| 11:25.39 | krion | i did rebuild package already :) |
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| 11:25.43 | krion | nginx for example |
| 11:25.44 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/3889027 < x errors |
| 11:26.00 | krion | but i will keep the cheatsheet, just in case ;) |
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| 11:26.38 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: paste the most recent log from /var/log/Xorg* |
| 11:26.40 | krion | (and i use dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 11:26.52 | krion | i would try what dpkg suggest (the aptitude chain) |
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| 11:27.27 | eugenmayer | hello. Switched form lenny to squeeze on a hyperv VM, now the eth interface (seth) is missing. |
| 11:27.33 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: most recent = highest number? |
| 11:27.34 | eugenmayer | Does the current 32 kernel support anything like that? |
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| 11:27.59 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: no, check the date. Most likely it's simply xorg.0.log |
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| 11:29.40 | tremon | esto: you can use iptables stat counters, just create an accept rule for every ip you want to monitor |
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| 11:30.20 | krion | tremon: i missing some dependancy on my squeeze so i rather think it would fail |
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| 11:30.44 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/3889039 |
| 11:31.02 | Night_Elf | krion: apt-get install -f would presumably attempt to fix your dependency mess. |
| 11:31.03 | SomeoneWeird1_ | heh, looks like its being ddos'd |
| 11:31.08 | tremon | ,check-backport openjdk-7-jdk |
| 11:31.13 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-7-jdk in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, librhino-java (>= 1.7R3~), fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
| 11:31.21 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: try http://paste.ubuntu.com/979669/ |
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| 11:31.41 | tremon | ah, I can see why that would be a pain |
| 11:31.53 | krion | i suppose i should have a dedicated sid in order to build packages, and use pbuilder i guess in order to build for squeeze |
| 11:31.56 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: there's also a paste.debian.net :) |
| 11:32.05 | SomeoneWeird1_ | ya, using nopaste tho |
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| 11:32.27 | krion | Night_Elf: no because it doesn't exist in squeeze (like liblcms2-dev or g++-4.6 for example) |
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| 11:32.51 | Night_Elf | krion: I see. |
| 11:32.57 | me-1 | hi...what should I do if my country dont have mirrors for debian repos..? |
| 11:33.16 | SomeoneWeird1_ | use a close countries mirror |
| 11:33.26 | homes | me-1: or use a fast mirror |
| 11:33.28 | Night_Elf | me-1: use some other repos. They should contain the same data. |
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| 11:33.42 | SomeoneWeird1_ | any idea tremon ? |
| 11:33.44 | nsadmin | no mirror in one country? try a mirror in another country |
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| 11:33.59 | nsadmin | argh, I gotta sleep |
| 11:34.10 | SomeoneWeird1_ | lol |
| 11:34.10 | homes | but how do you align more than two mirrors to be identical |
| 11:34.20 | me-1 | how do i know about fastest/nearest mirror |
| 11:34.24 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: can you retry with the open-source driver (radeon)? We need to rule out problems with fglrx |
| 11:34.31 | SomeoneWeird1_ | get a map :) |
| 11:34.35 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: how? >.< |
| 11:34.39 | homes | me-1: i just use the US mirror often enough... |
| 11:34.54 | tremon | me-1: use cdn.debian.net |
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| 11:35.13 | me-1 | homes, US mirror is too far so too slow |
| 11:35.56 | me-1 | can somebody give me a favor and psatebin his/her source list..? |
| 11:35.56 | Night_Elf | me-1: or use "mtr ip.of.debian.mirror" on several mirrors and see which one is the fastest and with fewer lost packets, and use that. |
| 11:36.08 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: section device, identifier card0, driver radeon, endsection in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:36.51 | tremon | with fglrx installed, you probably won't have 3d acceleration, but you shouldn't need it for testing |
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| 11:37.24 | tremon | !squeeze sources.list |
| 11:37.24 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 11:38.43 | SomeoneWeird1_ | kk done that tremon, reboot? |
| 11:38.57 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: what's your gfx card? |
| 11:39.02 | SomeoneWeird1_ | umm |
| 11:39.05 | SomeoneWeird1_ | 5470 |
| 11:39.05 | SomeoneWeird1_ | m |
| 11:39.10 | tremon | make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed |
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| 11:39.48 | SomeoneWeird1_ | yerpo |
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| 11:40.30 | tremon | then restore gdm3 (update-rc.d gdm3 defaults) and reboot |
| 11:40.53 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: ah no, restore the x11 config file you edited :) |
| 11:40.55 | me-1 | tremon, I will really appriciate if you pastebin repos source list so that I can copy and paste it without editing . I am a new user so |
| 11:41.07 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: >.< i really didnt back it up |
| 11:41.08 | SomeoneWeird1_ | lol |
| 11:41.13 | SomeoneWeird1_ | fails |
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| 11:41.46 | tremon | dpkg to the rescue: echo gdm3 >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 11:41.46 | dpkg | tremon: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:41.54 | tremon | dpkg, shut up |
| 11:41.54 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 11:42.11 | SomeoneWeird1_ | yep |
| 11:42.13 | SomeoneWeird1_ | reboot? |
| 11:42.19 | tremon | sure |
| 11:42.26 | Night_Elf | me-1: I use these. http://paste.ubuntu.com/979681/ I am not in France, but those mirrors work pretty well for me. |
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| 11:43.21 | me-1 | Night_Elf, thank you |
| 11:44.10 | SomeoneWeird1_ | oooh it works now tremon |
| 11:44.11 | me-1 | Night_Elf, there is a # mark in 7th line whta is it..? |
| 11:44.17 | SomeoneWeird1_ | must be the amd driver? |
| 11:44.59 | Night_Elf | me-1: Everything that starts with a "#" is a comment for humans to read. I doesn't hurt at all. |
| 11:45.06 | Night_Elf | It* |
| 11:45.16 | SomeoneWeird1_ | actually gnome started in fallback mode |
| 11:45.47 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: that's expected, open-source 3d doesn't work if the fglrx libraries for opengl are installed |
| 11:45.57 | me-1 | thank you for your time Night_Elf |
| 11:45.59 | SomeoneWeird1_ | ah |
| 11:46.00 | SomeoneWeird1_ | ok |
| 11:46.06 | SomeoneWeird1_ | so, what now? :S |
| 11:46.26 | calrogman | dpkg: Law 2. :-P |
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| 11:46.26 | dpkg | calrogman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 11:46.31 | tremon | you may try reinstalling/updating fglrx, the 3.2 kernel isn't completely new so maybe a rebuild will work |
| 11:46.33 | Night_Elf | me-1: no worries. Just don't forget to run "aptitude update" after you have those lines in place. |
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| 11:48.15 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: but be aware that a new X version is migrating to testing right now, so next week fglrx might trip over itself again, when Xserver 1.12 hits testing |
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| 11:48.25 | SomeoneWeird1_ | mm ok |
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| 11:49.00 | Night_Elf | I was wondering, how is Weiland fairing, in its quest to replace X ? |
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| 11:49.19 | tremon | if you don't have a pressing need for fast 3d, I'd just stick with the open driver. I'm using it on a 4370 without issues |
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| 11:49.41 | SomeoneWeird1_ | how do i remove the other driver then |
| 11:49.45 | SomeoneWeird1_ | so it doesnt start in fallback? |
| 11:50.12 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: hopefully, apt-get --purge remove fglrx-driver. But I haven't used it in years, maybe someone else will know |
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| 11:50.52 | SomeoneWeird1_ | says its not installed tremon |
| 11:50.53 | tremon | Night_Elf: it's wayland :) and it's moving quite fast for new technology, but not yet usable |
| 11:50.53 | SomeoneWeird1_ | >.< |
| 11:51.45 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: I'm out of my depth now, but try aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-{glx,dri} |
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| 11:52.28 | SomeoneWeird1_ | hm errors |
| 11:52.56 | SomeoneWeird1_ | http://pastie.org/3889129 |
| 11:52.57 | Night_Elf | tremon: is it expected to be as good as it boasts to be in comparison? I hear that X is a pain in many areas, but I don't know anything about that. I can go as far as edit config files as minimally as possible, and then see windows and gui on the screen. |
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| 11:54.37 | SomeoneWeird1_ | how do i get my x version? |
| 11:54.48 | tremon | Night_Elf: X on linux has vastly improved in recent years, imho X.org doesn't deserve the reputation it has. But it's still burdened by a lot of legacy code, that's mandatory by spec but not actually used anymore |
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| 11:55.23 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core |
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| 11:55.42 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: your sudo setup is broken |
| 11:55.47 | Night_Elf | tremon: Roger that. |
| 11:55.54 | tremon | notes that really needs to be in the wheezy upgrade notes |
| 11:56.05 | SomeoneWeird1_ | lol |
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| 11:57.21 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_, add this line (or similar) to /etc/sudoers: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 11:57.45 | SomeoneWeird1_ | wtf theres nothing even IN sudoers |
| 11:58.17 | tremon | there should be a lot of comments in that file |
| 11:58.33 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i know.. |
| 11:58.38 | SomeoneWeird1_ | oh wait |
| 11:58.40 | SomeoneWeird1_ | hold up |
| 11:58.51 | SomeoneWeird1_ | nvm |
| 11:58.54 | SomeoneWeird1_ | fails |
| 11:59.28 | SomeoneWeird1_ | ok done that |
| 11:59.30 | SomeoneWeird1_ | now |
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| 11:59.58 | automatical | hey guys, wondering if anyone can help me with a "too low memory" error at boot, this is a fresh install.. |
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| 12:10.28 | calrogman | automatical: Use a different bootloader. Problem solved. |
| 12:10.30 | BuisSse | is there a way i can keep a timeout on my firewall connections |
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| 12:10.38 | BuisSse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:10.47 | yazoo | hi |
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| 12:12.33 | automatical | calrogman: any way to specify that at install? i cant get onto the box with this error |
| 12:13.03 | calrogman | automatical: If you do an advanced install you should be asked whether you want to use Grub or LILO. I pick LILO. |
| 12:13.09 | automatical | calrogman: win |
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| 12:13.15 | automatical | thanks :) |
| 12:13.17 | calrogman | automatical: Expert install, even. |
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| 12:15.42 | automatical | thanks - will give it a go |
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| 12:18.30 | calrogman | No problem automatical. Happy to help (end the tyranny of grub). |
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| 12:19.06 | automatical | hehe, running expert install now *fingers crossed* |
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| 12:22.44 | Night_Elf | grub has been nice to me so far. If a tyrant, is a sexy and sweet one... so far. |
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| 12:32.09 | yazoo | anyone who uses debian for gaming? |
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| 12:34.00 | themill | yazoo: frozen bubble ftw! |
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| 12:36.52 | jelly | installed Steam a couple months ago and then did nothing with it |
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| 12:39.03 | Night_Elf | I have some games in wine. And also some native ones, such as trine2 and xonotic. |
| 12:40.36 | yazoo | themill: any games other than indie ? :) |
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| 12:41.43 | nkuttler | nethack |
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| 12:44.30 | automatical | yazoo: if you're looking to play any of the blockbuster games, linux really isn't a good option :( |
| 12:44.41 | yazoo | automatical: LOL |
| 12:44.44 | automatical | spend more time faffing about and fixing wine, than you will gaming |
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| 12:45.18 | nkuttler | if i were into games i'd buy an xbox or something |
| 12:45.31 | tluta | hello guys |
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| 12:46.01 | automatical | calrogman: debian now booted, cheers dude |
| 12:46.09 | automatical | --> back to work :) |
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| 12:57.25 | SomeoneWeird1_ | um, is there a reason i have an option to "install debian sid" to my hdd from wheezy? |
| 12:57.47 | Iridos | what? |
| 12:58.03 | SomeoneWeird1_ | yeah... |
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| 12:58.16 | themill | once more in English? |
| 12:58.16 | SomeoneWeird1_ | theres an option in gnome for "install debian sid" |
| 12:58.21 | SomeoneWeird1_ | sorry >.< |
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| 12:59.00 | Iridos | oh well... if I may answer this |
| 12:59.00 | tremon | did you copy the live-cd to your harddisk? |
| 12:59.01 | Iridos | no |
| 12:59.19 | Iridos | as in no, there's no reason |
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| 12:59.34 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: nope, just went from squeeze to wheezy |
| 12:59.36 | SomeoneWeird1_ | then it shat itself |
| 12:59.43 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i managed to get gnome half working |
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| 12:59.51 | SomeoneWeird1_ | using amd drivers |
| 13:00.01 | calrogman | automatical: No problem. |
| 13:00.11 | SomeoneWeird1_ | but its like, still all broken |
| 13:00.15 | Iridos | should flashplugin-nonfree also provide flash for chromium? |
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| 13:00.41 | tremon | I thought chrome had its own flashplayer built-in, don't know about chromium |
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| 13:02.01 | Iridos | I dunno... flash on my desktop works and I can't remember doing anything special for it... but just get the "download flash" message on the laptop |
| 13:02.55 | tralala | Iridos, I think so |
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| 13:04.26 | Iridos | haha.. radio just said EU or Germany passed a law that 1MB may not cost more than 70¢ (probably referring to mobile providers) |
| 13:05.07 | calrogman | It's a start, but still relatively extortionate. |
| 13:05.21 | SomeoneWeird1_ | is it possible to get the gnome version from squeeze on wheezy? |
| 13:05.22 | tralala | It's a step in the wrong direction. |
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| 13:06.01 | tralala | What business has the government telling the companies how much should they charge for their services? |
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| 13:06.25 | tralala | SomeoneWeird1_, very unlikely |
| 13:06.27 | Trewas | that's for roaming data charges when traveling between EU countries |
| 13:06.41 | calrogman | tralala: Every business. They want to operate inside that government's juridsiction, they play by the rules. That's how laws work. |
| 13:06.42 | nvz | ask not what #debian can do for you, but what you can do for #debian |
| 13:06.59 | nvz | like stfu :-P |
| 13:07.09 | calrogman | Okay. :-( |
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| 13:08.45 | ratatata | nu |
| 13:08.46 | Night_Elf | tralala: And also, it will stop these 'companies' from charging stuff like "my MB is more expensive because it's faster than the other's" and on the other hand there are behind-closed-doors meetings between all of them to share the profits thus made. |
| 13:08.56 | tralala | calrogman, I hope you will enjoy the day when they tell you what items you're obliged to buy from the supermarket, which is the supermarket you are allowed to shop into and how often you may do that. |
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| 13:09.53 | Night_Elf | tralala: you are wrong. There are laws for example in my country that don't allow bread to be more expensive than a certain ammount of money. |
| 13:09.59 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 13:09.59 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 13:10.16 | tralala | Night_Elf, then somebody has to go to jail for such illegal agreements, rather than trying to bypass them through ridiculous laws. |
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| 13:10.41 | tralala | ok, sorry |
| 13:10.57 | Iridos | tralala, feel free to /j #debian-offtopic |
| 13:11.02 | Iridos | calrogman, you, too :) |
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| 13:12.18 | SomeoneWeird1_ | ok can someone explain this |
| 13:12.25 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i cant right click on my desktop or do anything |
| 13:12.33 | SomeoneWeird1_ | and theres files in ~/Desktop that dont appear |
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| 13:12.54 | woshty | how would i go about setting intel hdmi audio output as default for a certain user? |
| 13:13.06 | Iridos | tralala, then I can tell you how funny you are :) |
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| 13:13.29 | calrogman | SomeoneWeird1_: Post a `px usx' on a pastebin and share it with the room. |
| 13:13.29 | nkuttler | SomeoneWeird1_: you're not running a wm/de that displays your 'destkop'? |
| 13:13.56 | SomeoneWeird1_ | had a bit of trouble with upgrade to wheezy, but im running gnome |
| 13:13.58 | Samwan | hi guys, I have a serious problem, the box of a software said "windows XP or better", but it doesn't work on debian.. |
| 13:14.01 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i think it must be borked |
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| 13:14.49 | SomeoneWeird1_ | calrogman: conflicting options |
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| 13:15.06 | calrogman | SomeoneWeird1_: Whoops, ufx |
| 13:15.28 | SomeoneWeird1_ | http://pastie.org/3889498 |
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| 13:16.48 | SomeoneWeird1_ | any ideas? |
| 13:17.21 | calrogman | SomeoneWeird1_: I can't see anything wrong with that. How extensively modified is your Gnome config? |
| 13:17.33 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i havnt touched it, but as i said i had trouble upgrading |
| 13:17.44 | SomeoneWeird1_ | system shat itself, so that probably has something todo with it |
| 13:18.17 | calrogman | SomeoneWeird1_: It might help, if you won't lose to much, to stop gdm, delete your Gnome config and then restart gdm. That's a common fix to problems with missing panels in Xfce. :-) |
| 13:18.28 | SomeoneWeird1_ | hm where the config? :P |
| 13:19.10 | calrogman | Probably anything matching, ~/.gnome*, but be careful. |
| 13:19.33 | SomeoneWeird1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.35 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i think |
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| 13:25.46 | tremon | SomeoneWeird1_: paste the output of apt-cache polcy, aptitude -s full-upgrade, aptitude -sf install |
| 13:25.59 | SomeoneWeird1_ | in a sec rebooting |
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| 13:26.22 | SomeoneWeird1_ | i think i might just reinstall deb if i cant get this working tnoght |
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| 13:27.03 | tremon | btw gnome3 config is in ~/.config I thought |
| 13:27.30 | SomeoneWeird1_ | yea |
| 13:29.27 | SomeoneWeird1_ | http://pastie.org/3889563 |
| 13:29.28 | SomeoneWeird1_ | http://pastie.org/3889565 |
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| 13:31.01 | SomeoneWeird1_ | tremon: last command says theres libgail-common to install but wont install it |
| 13:31.14 | SomeoneWeird1_ | "Would download/install/remove packages." |
| 13:32.03 | tremon | ok, so there don't appear to be dangling upgrades, at least your system should be fully up-to-date |
| 13:32.11 | SomeoneWeird1_ | yeah |
| 13:32.14 | SomeoneWeird1_ | with gnome broken :P |
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| 13:33.07 | tremon | apt-cache policy gnome ? |
| 13:33.40 | SomeoneWeird1_ | http://pastie.org/3889588 |
| 13:34.42 | tremon | that's too bad, there really appears to be nothing wrong with your setup. Try creating a new user, see if that works better, then you know it's in your config |
| 13:35.13 | SomeoneWeird1_ | theres still nothing on my desktop either :s |
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| 13:36.13 | SomeoneWeird1_ | ahh nvm looks like theres a setting i have todo |
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| 13:46.53 | Carpe|Diem | Hello everyone. Im rather new to linux and I just installed debian. However, my wifi is not working. When I try to bring it up with ifconfig I get the following error: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
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| 13:47.29 | Carpe|Diem | Any suggestions? |
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| 13:48.05 | tvm | carpe|diem: install wireless firmware, not sure about package name but that should fix it |
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| 13:48.51 | Carpe|Diem | tvm: does that have to be specific firmware for my card, or is that package a generic one? |
| 13:49.01 | tvm | carpe|diem: there is a generic package |
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| 13:49.42 | tvm | that contains a bunch of non-free drivers |
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| 13:50.40 | dvs | Carpe|Diem: The firmware is usually specific to your wireless card. |
| 13:50.58 | Carpe|Diem | tvm: ok than you, will google that |
| 13:51.11 | tvm | ah, now i checked, they're actually separate, but usually cover a range of hardware with given chipset |
| 13:51.12 | Carpe|Diem | dvs: ok, sounds logical |
| 13:51.19 | Carpe|Diem | oh ok |
| 13:51.22 | tvm | carpe|diem: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 13:51.30 | Carpe|Diem | thank you, let me have a look |
| 13:52.08 | Carpe|Diem | ah yes I see, non-free |
| 13:52.18 | Carpe|Diem | i think that option is unchecked in my synaptic |
| 13:52.27 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please? |
| 13:52.34 | dvs | Carpe|Diem: You'd have better luck with http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 13:53.50 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: its Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g |
| 13:53.57 | Carpe|Diem | dvs: thank you |
| 13:54.17 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Hmm, ok. The output of my command would have been easier, but I see what I can do with BCM4312 |
| 13:54.28 | Carpe|Diem | ok wait |
| 13:54.37 | babilen | !tell Carpe|Diem -about bcm4312 |
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| 13:54.58 | babilen | Which PCIID does your device have? |
| 13:55.09 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: http://pastebin.com/tDCpjZSy |
| 13:55.43 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: It's OK to paste a single (or two) line in here and please use http://paste.debian.net for pastes (or anything that is not pastebin.com) :) |
| 13:55.54 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: ok sorry |
| 13:55.59 | babilen | No problem :) |
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| 13:56.19 | Carpe|Diem | :) |
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| 13:57.10 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Yeah, you need the lpphy firmare. Just install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package from contrib and reload the module. |
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| 13:57.50 | dvs | Carpe|Diem: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 13:57.53 | babilen | !tell Carpe|Diem -about contrib |
| 13:57.53 | Carpe|Diem | ok holdon, let ne try that |
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| 13:58.18 | babilen | dvs: Are you sure that wl is needed? AFAIUI b43 + firmware should handle that quite well and it is not necessary to use wl |
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| 13:58.53 | babilen | !tell Carpe|Diem -about non-free sources |
| 13:59.11 | dvs | babilen: the b43 was still in development for the 2.6.32 kernel. I followed the mailing list and they were still having major problems at that time. |
| 13:59.35 | Carpe|Diem | :) |
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| 13:59.41 | Carpe|Diem | so what shall I do guys |
| 13:59.46 | Carpe|Diem | who is right :D |
| 13:59.49 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Please run "modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43 ; dmesg |tail -n23" after that and paste its outputs. The output of "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig" and "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" would also be of interest. |
| 13:59.51 | Carpe|Diem | maybe it works both? |
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| 14:00.04 | Carpe|Diem | ok ok |
| 14:00.05 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Hang on :) |
| 14:00.09 | Carpe|Diem | holdon let me get those outputs |
| 14:00.13 | babilen | dvs: What about 3.2? |
| 14:00.39 | dvs | babilen: It's better now since they basically took the code from the wl driver |
| 14:01.15 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: It might be a better idea to use wl or a newer kernel. I would actually recommend to try both approaches and start with a backported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) + firmware package. |
| 14:01.34 | dvs | Yeah, use the backported kernel first. |
| 14:01.37 | babilen | Lets see if it works now ... I curse broadcom in the meanwhile |
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| 14:03.31 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/168166/ |
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| 14:03.53 | Carpe|Diem | a newer kernel...hmm |
| 14:04.03 | Carpe|Diem | well i did a clean install today using the latest install cd |
| 14:04.11 | Carpe|Diem | and my system is completely updated |
| 14:04.17 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Did you install the firmware installer? |
| 14:04.28 | Carpe|Diem | I dont think so |
| 14:04.29 | moty66 | do I have to restart after updating the kernel? |
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| 14:04.52 | dvs | moty66: reboot the computer |
| 14:05.02 | moty66 | allright |
| 14:05.03 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Well, I asked you to do it and all the commands are based on the assumption that you did :) -- Please install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer from contrib and do all of that again. |
| 14:05.11 | Carpe|Diem | ooh |
| 14:05.15 | Carpe|Diem | oh sorry |
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| 14:05.51 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: The first command shouldn't show something like "b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode15.fw" not found" btw |
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| 14:07.06 | Carpe|Diem | ok its installed, let me recheck those commands :) |
| 14:07.11 | babilen | Sure ;) |
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| 14:08.05 | Carpe|Diem | first line is still [ 2280.012926] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode15.fw" not found |
| 14:08.12 | Carpe|Diem | shall I reboot perhaps? |
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| 14:08.36 | Jim1 | Why is Fedora so much faster than Debian ? |
| 14:08.38 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: May I see the output please? |
| 14:08.48 | Carpe|Diem | yes let me pastebin everything |
| 14:09.44 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Please also include the output of the firmware installation (just to make sure that worked) |
| 14:09.52 | bolt | how should I go about getting an e1000e driver with support for 82579V in squeeze? backports kernel? compile a newer version of the module myself? |
| 14:10.08 | babilen | bolt: What is the PCIID of that NIC? |
| 14:10.36 | babilen | bolt: AFAIK support for that NIC has been added to Debian's .32 kernel in 6.0.3 |
| 14:10.48 | grobda24 | Hello. Is there some solution out there for installing Gimp 2.8 in Debian stable ? I working on compiling it but it means building a few libraries. In the meantime I wonder if there's another way ? |
| 14:11.24 | bolt | babilen: ah. maybe. it wasn't when i installed :) |
| 14:11.34 | bolt | babilen: where can i get the pci id? "00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05)" ? |
| 14:11.40 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/168168/ |
| 14:11.47 | babilen | bolt: Ah, run "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" |
| 14:11.58 | babilen | !tell bolt -about 82579V |
| 14:12.02 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: I must add that I did get wireless networks using the iwlist command. I think thats good news |
| 14:12.06 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Thanks |
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| 14:12.19 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: yeah, that means that it is working |
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| 14:12.30 | Carpe|Diem | :D |
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| 14:12.34 | Carpe|Diem | let me try it |
| 14:12.36 | Carpe|Diem | holdon |
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| 14:13.13 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: I am not sure how well b43 handles your device and you might still want to install a newer kernel, but the device should at least function now. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse for a summary of possible ways to configure your network. |
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| 14:13.40 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: its working, im on wifi now :)) |
| 14:13.45 | dvs | iwlist wlan0 scan should work at least |
| 14:13.47 | Carpe|Diem | I used the gnome-network-manager |
| 14:14.05 | bolt | babilen: it's the 1503 :D sweet! |
| 14:14.12 | Carpe|Diem | you guys are the best |
| 14:14.19 | Carpe|Diem | babilen: thanks a lot |
| 14:14.21 | Carpe|Diem | dvs: thanks a lot |
| 14:14.23 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: Wonderful - Think "new kernel" if you experience problems and enjoy it until then. Have a nice day or is there something else you need help with? |
| 14:14.23 | Carpe|Diem | :) |
| 14:14.28 | dvs | yay |
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| 14:14.42 | babilen | bolt: \o/ |
| 14:14.47 | Carpe|Diem | yes but what about that new kernel...Dont I have the newest? |
| 14:14.51 | bolt | babilen: i was using the backports .39 kernel from it was released until now, and had some serious issues with it. i'll try the new .32 then :D |
| 14:14.54 | babilen | !tell bolt -about firmware image |
| 14:15.11 | Carpe|Diem | oh no i have 2.6, not 3.2 |
| 14:15.11 | dvs | Carpe|Diem: uname -r |
| 14:15.19 | babilen | bolt: You can also use the 3.2 kernel from backports, but 32 supports your NIC |
| 14:15.21 | Carpe|Diem | Linux DebianBox 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Sat May 5 02:21:15 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:15.30 | Carpe|Diem | whats up with that, why ist it 3.2? |
| 14:15.41 | dvs | Carpe|Diem: Yeah, there is a 3.2 kernel in backports |
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| 14:15.59 | Carpe|Diem | but, i thought 3.2 was mainstream? |
| 14:16.06 | nsadmin | Carpe|Diem, you can use uname -r if you want too, to identify your kernel version |
| 14:16.17 | bolt | babilen: i much prefer having a "clean" squeeze system, but i'll keep that in mind if the .32 kernel should misbehave |
| 14:16.24 | Carpe|Diem | nsadmin: yes, its Linux DebianBox 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Sat May 5 02:21:15 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:16.49 | babilen | Carpe|Diem: You have the newest kernel in Debian stable. As stable releases do not change (or not significantly) the kernel is not really upgraded (unless necessary to fix security problems or severe bugs) ... The newest kernel available from upstream is 3.2 which you can install from backports. (/msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg stable ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
| 14:17.01 | nsadmin | it's also used in scripts (example expression, linux-image-$(uname -r) ) |
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| 14:17.30 | jelly | babilen: s/The newest/A newer/ |
| 14:17.48 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:17.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.15-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-44); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 14:17.53 | Carpe|Diem | ah yes, now i see what a backport is |
| 14:18.14 | bolt | babilen: why the firmware link btw? |
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| 14:18.16 | nsadmin | babilen, so what about that, do existance of backports indicate "necessity"? |
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| 14:18.25 | nkuttler | hrm, can a package be listed on pdo but not be on ftp yet? |
| 14:18.42 | nkuttler | ah, no amd64.. |
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| 14:18.56 | Carpe|Diem | so maybe its best not to upgrade than, if 2.6 is the *stable* one |
| 14:19.07 | babilen | bolt: Oh, just in case you need an install image that supports your NIC out of the box (that is: No need to provide firmware on an external medium) |
| 14:19.28 | nsadmin | Carpe|Diem, as a data pt, a lot of people are running the backport without issue |
| 14:19.52 | bolt | babilen: ah. i'm already installed. thanks though. greatly appreciate it :) |
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| 14:20.04 | Carpe|Diem | nsadmin: ok |
| 14:20.06 | nsadmin | Carpe|Diem, do you require maximum stability/tested? |
| 14:20.16 | Carpe|Diem | nsadmin: not realy |
| 14:20.17 | babilen | jelly: Huh? Has 3.4 been released or are you merely implying that there are newer kernels (rc, git head, ...) than 3.2? |
| 14:20.18 | dvs | are you running a server? |
| 14:20.23 | nsadmin | so it's up to you |
| 14:20.36 | Carpe|Diem | well no its just my personal laptop |
| 14:20.38 | nsadmin | there's a lot of 3.3s |
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| 14:20.48 | babilen | sigh |
| 14:20.49 | babilen | yes |
| 14:20.53 | babilen | gets coffee |
| 14:21.11 | nkuttler | what was the package/cmd again the decompresses whatever you throw at it? |
| 14:21.27 | Jim1 | important Debian news : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxrRlX4zroY |
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| 14:21.42 | nsadmin | Carpe|Diem, tell ya what, you can stick with the 2.6 until you know that the 3.2 provides something you need and 2.6 doesn't have |
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| 14:21.50 | babilen | Jim1: Please play elsewhere |
| 14:22.00 | Carpe|Diem | nsadmin: good idea |
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| 14:22.09 | Carpe|Diem | thanks everyone for assisting me |
| 14:22.14 | Carpe|Diem | :) |
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| 14:24.02 | jhutchins_lt | Any pro/con opinions on puppet? |
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| 14:33.40 | ChibaPet_ | jhutchins_lt: It had bugs that made it unusable when I tried it, but it was new then. I suspect it's much better now. The idea was good even when it wasn't usable. |
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| 14:41.08 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Never used it. Sounds like quite a good idea. |
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| 14:41.41 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: The thing that appeals to me is the change tracking. |
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| 14:52.22 | jelly | how does one make cpan shell ask for the initial configuration again |
| 14:52.49 | nsadmin | dunno, forgot too... #perl does know :) |
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| 14:54.31 | jordanm | jelly: You can re-run configuration any time with 'o conf init' in the CPAN shell |
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| 14:56.17 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 15:00.25 | kuwrefem | quick question: difficulty shutting down and i had just added a new user, removed an old one and installed a bunch of updates. halt, shutdown and reboot all result in a timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl. should i just hit the power buton? |
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| 15:07.06 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: there seem to be several bug reports related to this. i'd suggest checking them |
| 15:07.43 | kuwrefem | yes, i'm reading them. i guess this will not be quick |
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| 15:14.03 | Darkasakerionz | Hi, I have a little problem with openvpn, I have 2 net interfaces, one for lan and the other for Internet, the thing it's that I install openvpn and the server-client works, but I can't access to the internet. http://dpaste.com/746067/ |
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| 15:16.03 | jordanm | Darkasakerionz: you have two default gateways |
| 15:16.35 | jordanm | nevermind, I was looking at it wrong |
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| 15:20.18 | Darkasakerionz | jordanm, And how I fix that? |
| 15:20.50 | kuwrefem | it was bad form but power button restart didn't do any harm that i can see. apparently /run/initctl can be recreated on startup if needed. in www.mail-archive.com/pkg-sysvinit-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg04348.html if anyone is interested. bugs already had been filed |
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| 15:27.04 | Tasser | I've got this program here (protege), which isn't available in the debian repos. What's the nice way to create a package? Or is there kind of a ports archive? |
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| 15:35.40 | JordiGH | Any reviews of the 3.2 backported kernels? I've got an intermittent suspend bug that kills my touchpad, and I want to try a newer kernel. |
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| 15:35.50 | JordiGH | Linux, of course. Not HURD nor kFreeBSD. |
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| 15:36.30 | dkr | Tasser: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide or hrm, I just noticed this: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packaging-tutorial |
| 15:36.31 | rozie | JordiGH: not backported, but kernel from testing/unstable runs just fine on Squeeze |
| 15:36.45 | JordiGH | Not backported? |
| 15:37.02 | rozie | no. but I have mixed system anyway |
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| 15:37.10 | rozie | so go ahead, try backported one |
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| 15:37.29 | rozie | you can always switch to the current one |
| 15:37.43 | JordiGH | What's the current one? |
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| 15:38.02 | JordiGH | Also, mixed system? http://www.myfacewhen.com/65/ |
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| 15:41.32 | Pizza401 | anybody tried ajenti? |
| 15:41.42 | Pizza401 | it's a new control panel (think modern webmin) |
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| 15:47.53 | nsadmin | , v ajenti |
| 15:47.54 | judd | No package named 'ajenti' was found in i386. |
| 15:48.15 | nsadmin | not in debian (at least not by that name |
| 15:49.05 | nsadmin | , names *ajenti* |
| 15:49.07 | judd | Search for *ajenti* in squeeze/i386: |
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| 15:50.12 | nsadmin | Pizza401, a fairly extensive search shows there's not an ajenti in debian right now |
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| 15:50.38 | Arkadietz | someone could you help me with building an .deb from source i found a great how to but when i try "apt-get source package name" i recieve Unable to find a source package for package name |
| 15:50.58 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: nope, no official package in the debian repo yet... but a .deb is available. |
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| 15:51.15 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: http://ajenti.org/ |
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| 15:52.06 | nsadmin | ok, first, as a direct answer to your original question as one person out of a thousand here, I personally haven't tried it |
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| 15:53.26 | nsadmin | I'm pretty handy with my shell, so my tendency is to ssh in and use the shell for just about everything I need to do |
| 15:54.30 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: lolz |
| 15:54.57 | nsadmin | I don't know about ajanti (at all even), but webmin was actually removed from debian for a coupla reasons... |
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| 15:55.47 | Diopter | webmin/cpanel are terrible abominations, and a blight upon the managed hosting industry |
| 15:56.04 | Diopter | Almost as bad as the unspeakable horror that is plesk |
| 15:56.12 | nsadmin | one, several modules were found to misbehave, and two, some people feel it exposes too much control over the machine |
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| 15:56.30 | Pizza401 | Diopter: and for unmanaged hosting...? |
| 15:56.40 | Pizza401 | you need to offer control panels, it's what shared hosting customers want |
| 15:56.59 | nsadmin | true, so they do... |
| 15:57.01 | Diopter | Pizza401: Still blighty. It may be what they want, but it causes more problems than it solves, and creates continuous support requirements |
| 15:57.18 | Pizza401 | Diopter: how do you propose shared hosting be offered? |
| 15:57.20 | Diopter | Which would be cheaper and more effective in the long run to solve by one competent IT person |
| 15:57.22 | Pizza401 | without a control panel, i mean |
| 15:57.31 | Pizza401 | tell customers to "learn how to linux" |
| 15:57.32 | nsadmin | people can change really critical things without realizing how critical they are |
| 15:57.53 | Pizza401 | yep, but it's the only way. |
| 15:57.55 | Diopter | Pizza401: Yes. And the vast majority of cloud hosting does exactly that, now. |
| 15:58.17 | Pizza401 | Diopter: that's not true. |
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| 15:58.22 | Pizza401 | are you talking about VPS providers? |
| 15:58.28 | Diopter | Pizza401: I work for the 2nd largest. Amazon is the largest. Neither has webmin/cpanel/plesk on their cloud server offerings. |
| 15:58.34 | Diopter | They're bare linux/windows images. |
| 15:58.37 | Pizza401 | i'm talking about shared hosting... where the end-user has no SSH access |
| 15:58.37 | nsadmin | I was learning how to unix back as far as 1985, and around that time discovered gcc, and out of curiousity I built it :) |
| 15:58.51 | Pizza401 | Diopter: you work for rackspace? |
| 15:58.57 | Pizza401 | when is openstack coming out? :-P |
| 15:58.58 | Diopter | Pizza401: Most of the shared hosting I know of with control panels Also give people ssh into their account :P |
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| 15:59.11 | Diopter | Pizza401: I do indeed, on the Openstack deployment team in fact. It's already out! |
| 15:59.13 | Pizza401 | you guys have been working on that shit for years, it's basically considered vaporware at this point |
| 15:59.16 | Diopter | Been "out" for over a year. |
| 15:59.21 | Pizza401 | yeah, but not for everybody |
| 15:59.24 | Pizza401 | only those invited to the beta |
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| 15:59.35 | Pizza401 | i'm talking about openstack on your own platform |
| 15:59.39 | Pizza401 | cloud servers |
| 15:59.41 | Pizza401 | aren't openstack yet |
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| 16:00.36 | Diopter | Pizza401: That was a massive migration project. RS's products don't necessarily = the Open Source project RS spearheaded. Though as of right now today, there's ~100,000 machines migrated |
| 16:00.57 | Pizza401 | also, when will openstack be available as a stand-alone distro? i know third-party vendors already do it, but... |
| 16:01.00 | Diopter | Pizza401: That said, you can install Openstack yourself any time you want. Or we can do it for you in a private cloud, with a support contract. |
| 16:01.16 | Pizza401 | Diopter: so if i signup for rs cloud today... i will have access to the openstack platform? |
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| 16:01.53 | melik | <melik> hey guys i am having a very big problem with one of my servers |
| 16:01.54 | melik | <melik> a little background: i have 2 servers, both identical in every way; i run a backup rsync weekly and one of my servers experiences very high io loads |
| 16:01.54 | melik | <melik> http://ompldr.org/vZG96Yg/pasta |
| 16:01.54 | melik | <melik> any idea what can cause this? i have looked at the RAID arrays and everything looks fine on both |
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| 16:02.12 | Diopter | Pizza401: Public cloud != private cloud. I don't work on the public cloud side. Not everything is migrated yet, so the answer is likely not yet for everyone. |
| 16:02.31 | Pizza401 | Diopter: so on the public cloud... when will that shit be available? |
| 16:03.02 | Pizza401 | also, when will openstack be offered as a distro rather than a bunch of packages? i know a handful of third-party vendors did that... |
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| 16:03.23 | Pizza401 | i'm hoping openstack will one day be as simple to install as ESXi |
| 16:03.26 | Pizza401 | right now it's a bitch |
| 16:03.37 | Pizza401 | it feels very "alpha-stage" to me still, idk |
| 16:03.38 | Diopter | Pizza401: Basically only Piston really did that, and like everyone else, including us, folks are moving to Chef/Puppet as the correct approach. |
| 16:03.41 | nsadmin | invites the two of you to open up a windo to #debian-offtopic for this... wander slowly, grab your tea, have a seat and have a lot of fun... not kicking you out of here or anywhere (can't anyway), you can stay... it's just this particular thread that shouldn't continue here |
| 16:03.57 | Diopter | Pizza401: But if you really want a 'distro-y' feel, go talk to Dell about Crowbar. |
| 16:04.04 | Pizza401 | true |
| 16:04.06 | Pizza401 | i guess |
| 16:04.06 | Diopter | nsadmin: Fair enough. Got carried away ;P |
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| 16:04.16 | Pizza401 | i'll wait until openstack is on the "public" cloud over at rackspace i guess |
| 16:04.19 | Pizza401 | and then i'll signup |
| 16:04.28 | Pizza401 | i really want to try cloud databases |
| 16:04.29 | nsadmin | no problem, just letting you know... and, there's support traffic |
| 16:04.41 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: fuck off, nobody asked your opinion. |
| 16:04.52 | Pizza401 | =] |
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| 16:05.52 | nsadmin | you just made a rackspece employee look -really- bad... not to me, he was trying to help you and doin great at it |
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| 16:06.28 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: i made him look bad? |
| 16:06.28 | Pizza401 | how? |
| 16:06.31 | nsadmin | Pizza401, plus, it's not actually opinion |
| 16:06.38 | Pizza401 | wtf are you talking about, dude? |
| 16:07.20 | nsadmin | by first engaging him in a conversation about his work and then as part of that conversation throwing hostility |
| 16:07.21 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: just pipe down. there's no "support traffic" in here. |
| 16:07.43 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: my hostility makes him look bad because he was in engaged in conversation with me...? |
| 16:07.46 | Pizza401 | i don't follow that logic |
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| 16:08.14 | nsadmin | you'd be surprised at who reads channel logs |
| 16:08.14 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: just pipe down. you're coming off as an insecure little man right now. |
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| 16:08.30 | nsadmin | ok, out of patience. |
| 16:08.40 | nsadmin | !ops Pizza401 hostile troll |
| 16:08.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: Pizza401 hostile troll |
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| 16:08.49 | Pizza401 | laughs |
| 16:08.54 | Pizza401 | HOSTILE TROLL! |
| 16:09.33 | Pizza401 | nsadmin: now you've woken everybody up because somebody wasn't nice to you |
| 16:09.35 | Pizza401 | pathetic |
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| 16:09.57 | Diopter | Exciting. |
| 16:10.08 | mrmist | oo, ragequit. very mature. |
| 16:10.08 | nsadmin | so sorry about that |
| 16:10.28 | Diopter | nsadmin: S'all good. The trolls get flustered when the lights go on. |
| 16:10.50 | nsadmin | now, onto the support traffic the troll didn't ack... |
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| 16:11.49 | Diopter | melik: Are you able to manually trigger this rsync job to compare per-core breakdowns? Also, do you have any other jobs you might have cron'd/at'd to run at/during the rsync job? |
| 16:11.59 | nsadmin | melik, hi, sorry about the dust. |
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| 16:22.47 | oops | I am using GNOME 3 on Wheezy. If I create a new user account, it can't connect to the wireless network. Do I need to add this new user account to some group? If so, which group? |
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| 16:23.14 | Diopter | oops: Probably netdev |
| 16:23.32 | oops | Diopter, do I need to restart anything after I do that? |
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| 16:23.48 | peterS | huh, I figured consolekit would sort of magically make that stuff go away |
| 16:23.49 | Diopter | oops: Well, that user will need to relogin. |
| 16:23.54 | oops | let me try. |
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| 16:26.27 | Diopter | peterS: Not very familiar with Gnome 3, but my assumption is that a consolekit policy still needs some way of distinguishing a "valid" X user from a restricted user, on a per-user basis. I figured groups are handy for that. |
| 16:26.32 | Diopter | peterS: Could be way off base. |
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| 16:27.37 | oops | Diopter, it didn't work. |
| 16:27.46 | peterS | yeah and it may be that CK doesn't concern itself with "who can turn on the wireless" |
| 16:28.17 | Diopter | oops: Your name is apt |
| 16:28.18 | peterS | since that's not really tied to logging onto a local session in the way some other peripherals like kb/mouse/screen/audio are |
| 16:28.46 | oops | so anyone knows how I can make a new user I have created connect to wireless network? |
| 16:28.49 | peterS | Diopter: I'm pretty sure I'm less familiar with both CK and GNOME 3 than you |
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| 16:29.50 | Diopter | peterS: Maybe. I run Xmonad and try to avoid anything with a menu or mouse requirement ;P |
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| 16:31.05 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:31.44 | johnfg | Do we not have a gdm.conf in squeeze? I did a grep on all the files in /etc/gdm3, but didn't find what I was looking for. |
| 16:33.00 | peterS | johnfg: 'dpkg -L gdm3 | grep /etc' to see what you've got available |
| 16:33.24 | peterS | maybe /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf is what you want...? I don't know, I don't use gdm |
| 16:34.14 | johnfg | peterS, What do you use as an equivalent? |
| 16:34.32 | peterS | johnfg: xdm |
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| 16:34.44 | peterS | and on some systems, just startx |
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| 16:35.05 | johnfg | peterS, That's what I've got on my gentoo box. |
| 16:35.25 | peterS | anyway, 'dpkg -L gdm3' shows the files shipped in a given package |
| 16:35.50 | johnfg | peterS, Yeah, thanks, I ran it, and it's not included :-( |
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| 16:36.29 | peterS | the 'daemon.conf' file in /etc/gdm3 sounds promising but as I don't use the package I can't actually say more |
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| 16:37.44 | Diopter | Seems to throw a gdm.conf in /etc/dbus-1/system.d... but maybe what you want is in the Init/PostLogin/PostSession/PreSession set |
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| 16:38.26 | johnfg | peterS, What I want to try and do is get vino vnc server to be started without my having to be logged in at the console. Pretty annoying. I found a page to help in setting it up, but it's referrring to gdm.conf. |
| 16:38.30 | nsadmin | this would tell us if there's a gdm.conf in a tarball... |
| 16:38.39 | nsadmin | , file gdm.conf |
| 16:38.44 | judd | Search for gdm.conf in squeeze/i386: gdm: etc/gdm/gdm.conf; gdm3: etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf |
| 16:38.51 | nsadmin | yep |
| 16:39.18 | johnfg | Diopter, I saw that file, but it's not what I want. Where did you get the line with Init from? |
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| 16:40.06 | johnfg | nsadmin, I don't think that's the equivalent of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf in other configs. |
| 16:40.08 | Diopter | johnfg: Looking at the files in the package. Apparently subdirectories of /etc/gdm3 |
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| 16:52.27 | Mohsen_Hassani | What's the recommended content of /etc/apt/sources.list? I only have two lines deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 16:52.28 | Mohsen_Hassani | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 16:53.10 | pmade | What's the right way to do NAT in Debian? There are tutorials for iptables, ebtables, and tutorials saying one or the other are obsolete. |
| 16:53.21 | Mohsen_Hassani | I need to install mbrola, but it's not in list. |
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| 16:54.37 | Diopter | pmade: ebtables is the very wrong way to do NAT. iptables is correct. If you run across "stateless NAT", that's very unlikely to be what you want, and isn't in iptables anymore. Got moved to tc (traffic control). |
| 16:54.45 | Diopter | pmade: What kind of NAT do you want? Incoming or outgoing? |
| 16:55.28 | pmade | Diopter: I have a few VM's running on my laptop and need to NAT their traffic through my wireless card |
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| 16:56.05 | Diopter | pmade: Easysauce. On the host, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE, (or whatever your wireless interface is named), sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 16:56.09 | pmade | Diopter: I want them to be on a private network, not accessable from whatever network my wireless card happens to be on. |
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| 16:56.33 | Diopter | pmade: Which they will be by only doing outgoing SNAT (masquerading is a dynamic form of SNAT) |
| 16:56.42 | Diopter | pmade: Without DNATs, incoming-initiated traffic won't be able to get to them. |
| 16:56.58 | pmade | Diopter: When I try that I get an error about missing kernel modules (no 'nat' table) |
| 16:57.19 | Diopter | pmade: Make sure you have root privileges (sudo, su, etc) when you use iptables and sysctl |
| 16:57.36 | pmade | Yep, I do. |
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| 16:57.42 | karlpinc | pmade: I prefer ferm to raw iptables. YMMV. |
| 16:58.07 | Diopter | pmade: Well that's exciting. Can you pastie you running the command, the output, and then "dmesg | tail"? |
| 16:58.15 | jordanm | the table should probably be FORWARD, not nat |
| 16:58.26 | jordanm | unless a "nat" chain is created |
| 16:58.41 | pmade | Diopter: When I do 'sudo iptables -t nat -F' I get: "can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist" |
| 16:59.04 | Diopter | jordanm: Incorrect. Very incorrect. |
| 16:59.06 | pmade | Diopter: just a sec |
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| 16:59.38 | Diopter | jordanm: There's a mangle, raw, filter and nat table in iptables. Each of them have default chains, such as INPUT, FORWARD, OUTPUT, PREROUTING, etc |
| 16:59.45 | Diopter | jordanm: Not all chains are in all tables. |
| 16:59.58 | Diopter | jordanm: In order to do NAT, you need one of the chains in the nat table. Tables are selected by -t |
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| 17:00.02 | dddbmt | Is there any way to tell ssh to use a specific username when connecting to a specific host? - So that I don't have to write it every time, but it should not have impact when I connect to other hosts. |
| 17:00.12 | Diopter | dddbmt: ssh user@host, or ssh -l user host |
| 17:00.23 | spersaud | whats the preferred way to run processes on debian ? |
| 17:00.29 | spersaud | or manage them |
| 17:00.33 | tremon | dddbmt: for permanent config, man ssh_config |
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| 17:01.05 | tremon | spersaud: define "processes". applications, system services, scripts? |
| 17:01.20 | dddbmt | tremon, I'll take a look - thanks! |
| 17:01.39 | pmade | Diopter: http://paste.debian.net/168191 |
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| 17:02.09 | spersaud | tremon: need to start up uwsgi, I tried to install upstart but get conflicts and it doesnt install |
| 17:02.27 | nsadmin | spersaud, for one thing, you could learn a coupla shallow under the hood progs |
| 17:02.46 | Diopter | pmade: Are you running a custom kernel of some variety? iptables should load the module for you as-needed. lsmod | grep ipt |
| 17:02.54 | tremon | spersaud: and uwsgi is an application, a system service, a script? |
| 17:03.10 | spersaud | nsadmin: an application |
| 17:03.17 | spersaud | tremon: and application |
| 17:03.20 | jk | spersaud: i just use some rc scripts for uwsgi |
| 17:03.21 | tremon | nsadmin: tag :p |
| 17:03.26 | Diopter | pmade: Should see ip_tables, x_tables, iptable_nat, iptable_filter, nf_nat, etc... |
| 17:03.28 | spersaud | nsadmin: such as ??? |
| 17:03.29 | nsadmin | yer it! |
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| 17:04.07 | spersaud | nsadmin: I thought you were a bot |
| 17:04.08 | tremon | spersaud: you want it running when you log in, or always (when the computer is switched on)? |
| 17:04.09 | pmade | Diopter: This is on a default Wheezy kernel as of two days ago. lsmod shows iptable_filter but nothing with nat in it. |
| 17:04.12 | nsadmin | well, fork, exec, bg, fg, job control (as implemenmted by a shell) |
| 17:04.17 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 17:04.17 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 17:04.25 | spersaud | tremon: always .. and at startup |
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| 17:04.34 | Diopter | pmade: What does dmesg | tail show? iptables dumps the reasoning for command failures into dmesg |
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| 17:05.08 | tremon | spersaud: then use a startup script. start by reading and understanding /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 17:05.13 | Diopter | pmade: Also, you could try modprobe iptable_nat. Which would be exceedingly strange to have to do, but hey |
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| 17:05.44 | dddbmt | tremon, that was relatively easy - and I learned how to make "Hosts" as well, thanks again. |
| 17:05.47 | pmade | Diopter: modprobe worked, dmesg doesn't show anything relevant. |
| 17:05.49 | jk | spersaud: http://jkossen.nl/uploads/rcd_viewer.txt |
| 17:05.54 | Diopter | dddbmt: You bet. |
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| 17:06.03 | Diopter | pmade: Exciting. Try sudo iptables -t nat -nvL |
| 17:06.31 | Diopter | pmade: Maybe, through some weirdness, you have to use the table somehow before you can flush it? |
| 17:06.32 | pmade | Diopter: that worked, output four chains. |
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| 17:06.52 | Diopter | pmade: I'm not sure I've ever tried -F on a table on a fresh boot with no rules, before -L or similar... |
| 17:07.03 | Diopter | pmade: Anyhow, Now you should be able to -A to POSTROUTING :P |
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| 17:08.02 | Diopter | pmade: And iptables rules aren't automatically persistent across reboots, so you'll need to script it up (what I do) or install a package that does it for you (never tried it) |
| 17:08.31 | pmade | Diopter: ug, when I run your original iptables command I get: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 17:08.52 | Diopter | pmade: Make sure you spell it carefully. sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:08.55 | tremon | pmade: any chance you recently upgraded your kernel and haven't rebooted? |
| 17:09.02 | pmade | tremon: nope. |
| 17:09.08 | tremon | ah well :) |
| 17:09.12 | melik | anyone have a good guide to properly setting up ssh jails; at the moment other users can see other jails |
| 17:09.59 | spersaud | jk: thanks |
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| 17:10.48 | Diopter | pmade: I take it your silence indicates great success? ;D |
| 17:10.49 | pmade | Diopter: it looks good to me, still getting the error: http://paste.debian.net/168194 |
| 17:10.53 | Diopter | Damn |
| 17:10.58 | pmade | Diopter: sorry :( |
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| 17:11.12 | Diopter | pmade: It's all good. Probably means it's not autoloading That module either. |
| 17:11.21 | Diopter | pmade: modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE... retry. |
| 17:11.34 | Diopter | While I hmmm loudly at iptables being all crazy and manual on your box |
| 17:11.46 | pmade | Diopter: that worked. |
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| 17:12.19 | tremon | already gets iffy when he has to load the conntrack modules manually |
| 17:12.21 | karlpinc | !tell melik about lxc |
| 17:12.38 | Diopter | pmade: Normally iptables/ebtables/arptables load anything they need on the fly. I've actually never seen them not. So.... not sure |
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| 17:12.57 | pmade | Diopter: I'm wondering if I need to just put these in /etc/modules |
| 17:13.09 | ElDiabolo | Hi. aptitude upgrade tells me downloading of http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/webkit/libwebkitgtk-3.0-0_1.8.1-2_amd64.deb failed. However a HEAD request gives me a 200 OK. Any hints on what is going on? |
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| 17:13.32 | Diopter | pmade: Given the current state of your system, perhaps. Are you able to reboot and see if the rule works without the modprobes, from a fresh boot? |
| 17:13.37 | pmade | Diopter: awesome, my VMs can ping the outside world now! |
| 17:13.39 | tremon | ElDiabolo: wrong md5sum? |
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| 17:14.12 | pmade | Diopter: sure, let me reboot. |
| 17:14.19 | Diopter | pmade: Grats! Don't forget to make things persistent somehow. /etc/sysctl.conf for forwarding (or routing don't work!), and iptables-save > iptables.rules somewhere, then iptables-restore < /path/to/iptables.rules |
| 17:14.28 | pmade | Diopter: will do. |
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| 17:14.37 | ElDiabolo | tremon, Most likely not, it is waiting at 0% 'til timeout before. |
| 17:15.41 | tremon | pmade: take a look at package iptables-persistent |
| 17:16.04 | Diopter | ^ or that. Still haven't tried it, probably should get around to vetting it |
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| 17:16.37 | ElDiabolo | tremon, wget is stalled at 3% now, looks like a networking weirdness. |
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| 17:17.15 | tremon | ElDiabolo: I guess it's between you and the mirror then. That link works fine for me |
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| 17:18.57 | pmade | Diopter: after a reboot, iptables works and seems to autoload the modules!! |
| 17:19.05 | pmade | Diopter: thanks for all the help, really appreciate it. |
| 17:19.17 | Diopter | pmade: w00tz0r. Must have been some kernel/modules.dep/blah nonsense. Glad to help |
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| 17:19.54 | pmade | Diopter: My next step was to configure dnsmasq to give DNS access from the VMs out, without having to hard code a DNS server IP. Does that seem sane? |
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| 17:20.19 | ElDiabolo | tremon, I'll check. |
| 17:20.54 | Diopter | pmade: Sure. We use dnsmasq in a production hypervisor environment. Works fine to give IPs to the VMs, and you don't have to tell dnsmasq which IP it should come from. |
| 17:21.14 | pmade | Diopter: great, thanks for everything. |
| 17:21.34 | Diopter | pmade: What happens is, by default, whichever interfaces on the machine have addresses in the networks you specify with dhcp-range commands will be the DHCP/DNS server IPs it gives out to requests on those interfaces. |
| 17:21.40 | Diopter | pmade: No worries. Have fun, etc |
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| 17:23.28 | pmade | Diopter: can I use dnsmasq just for DNS, and not for DHCP? I have my VMs on static non-routable address which seems easier to me. |
| 17:24.11 | Diopter | pmade: Yes, you can. Just don't define any dhcp-ranges, and it should behave as a dns server by default. You can try dig @x.x.x.x blah.com to test easily |
| 17:24.27 | pmade | Diopter: nice, thanks! |
| 17:24.34 | Diopter | yarp |
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| 17:25.07 | pmade | Diopter: can't tell you how happy I am to finally get these VMs working correctly on my laptop. I'm mobile again! |
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| 17:25.45 | Diopter | pmade: Haha, woot! I know the feeling. This laptop is my mobile VM platform as well. Helps a lot when you work on a hypervisor for a living ;D |
| 17:26.05 | me-1 | hi..how can i know subnet mask, gateway to configure my network |
| 17:26.32 | Diopter | me-1: Are you obtaining an address over DHCP? |
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| 17:26.51 | me-1 | Diopter, yes |
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| 17:27.38 | Diopter | me-1: Then it should be supplying an IP, mask and gateway address. Probably DNS as well. Unless your DHCP server blows, or your network environment is very unique |
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| 17:28.22 | Diopter | me-1: Or was your original question "How do I find out what I was assigned?", rather than "How do I find out What to assign?" |
| 17:28.40 | me-1 | Diopter, thats my question how i get them..? |
| 17:28.58 | Diopter | me-1: ip a, ip r, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:30.16 | me-1 | Diopter, copy that , thank you |
| 17:30.28 | Diopter | me-1: You bet |
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| 17:31.22 | johnfg | Is there a setting in network manager on squeeze, that will keep the network up whether or not anyone is logged in? |
| 17:31.54 | johnfg | Seems like the net only comes up if I'm logged in locally. |
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| 17:44.12 | fasta | I have a png file, how do I do OCR on it? It's really simple to recognize (just a screenshot of some text) |
| 17:44.13 | btr | hello. i just upgraded my system and debian wheezy switched libcairo2 from 1.10.2-7 to 1.12.2-1 with not resolved bug (i can't google it because the browsers is crashing because of this bug) .. it was some slow rendering or something in chromium.. should I install older version from wheezy-backports? |
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| 17:44.48 | fasta | I tried tesseract, but it segfaults, so I'd rather not try every broken tool on the planet. |
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| 17:45.11 | Diopter | fasta: I've had great success with gocr on rrdtool .pngs when I didn't have access to the rrd |
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| 17:46.41 | johnfg | So, do I need to manually config the net to keep it up? Or is there a setting in network manager somewhere that I missed. |
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| 17:47.15 | dondelelcaro | btr: there isn't a wheezy backports. wheezy isn't released yet. |
| 17:47.18 | JordiGH | Why do so few Debian packages have debug symbols? In rpm-land, pretty much every package gets debug symbols. |
| 17:47.32 | JordiGH | I mean, relatively few -dbg packages in Debianland. |
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| 17:47.44 | btr | dondelelcaro: i ment squeeze-backports |
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| 17:48.20 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: primarily because it's a manual step. If we ever go away from allowing binary uploads, this will probably change |
| 17:48.33 | dshep | anyone successfully convert a dm-crypt ext3 fs to ext4? |
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| 17:48.47 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: that said, normally when you are debugging, you really want a package built with "noopt,nostrip" not just debugging symbols |
| 17:48.57 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: and no -O2, yeah. |
| 17:49.20 | Diopter | johnfg: If you go edit the connection... right below where it says "connect automatically", is there another checkbox that says "system setting"? |
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| 17:49.45 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Wait, not allowing binary uploads, this just means DDs wouldn't make binary uploads, right? I wonder why do they do this at all. Everything's gotta be rebuilt by the autobuilders anyways. |
| 17:50.20 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: right, or that binary uploads would just be discarded |
| 17:50.27 | dshep | it seems i found good instructions for converting from ext3 to ext4, but i'm not sure if the fact that i'm using dm-crypt will throw a wrench in that |
| 17:50.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it'll probably happen soonish; just needs people who know what needs to be done to do the work |
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| 17:51.16 | johnfg | Diopter, On my main machine, running squeeze also, I do all manually, so the situation doesn't come up. However, on this laptop at the office, running squeeze, I've got network manager, and it's more finicky. |
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| 17:52.40 | Diopter | johnfg: I'm using Wheezy, and don't use networkmanager at all, but I found the docs saying that > 0.7 lets you make a connection a "system setting", which should run it without your user logging in |
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| 17:53.05 | johnfg | Diopter, I do have Connect Automatically checked, but I didn't have, at the bottom, Available to all users. Might that be it? |
| 17:53.31 | Diopter | johnfg: That was supposedly the precursor to system setting, and I guess was supposed to do the same thing. |
| 17:53.34 | Diopter | Give it a try! |
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| 17:53.52 | dtcrshr | iv recently installed (netinstall) debian 6 here, choosed 64 and installed some packages, but for some reason the gnome graphical interface is booting, is there a meta package that i can easily remove to get the gui out, without messing much arround the install? Dont want to install again, will be a simple webserver |
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| 17:54.05 | johnfg | Diopter, How r u finding wheezy to work for ya? |
| 17:54.32 | Diopter | johnfg: Every once in a long while there's a small hiccup, but 99.9% of the time it's solid and flawless. Quite happy with running the 'testing' target. |
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| 17:55.15 | Diopter | johnfg: I have some production servers that are 'stable' and will likely stay that way forever, but the ones I have I don't care much about in terms of vigilant security patching are all 'testing' |
| 17:55.20 | johnfg | Diopter, k. I've got linux mint debian edition in a vm on squeeze, as I knew it was a 'rolling release' based on our testing. |
| 17:55.37 | Diopter | johnfg: That's because it tracks testing :) |
| 17:55.49 | johnfg | Diopter, Aha! |
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| 17:56.02 | Diopter | http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php mentions it in the introduction line there, hehe |
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| 17:56.54 | johnfg | Diopter, So, from what you said earlier, are you just using mainly a cli on your testing machines or what DE/WM are you using? |
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| 17:58.10 | Diopter | johnfg: The servers are all CLI of course, but my workstations are Xmonad based. I use urxvt, conkeror, emacs, weechat, bitlbee, skype... tiling across 9 workspaces, 3 monitors, 2 machines (laptop and desktop), linked with synergy |
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| 17:58.28 | Pizza401 | http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin/comments/tghgq/help_decidinglearning_email_servers/c4mesug |
| 17:58.35 | Diopter | johnfg: A billion other things of course, but mostly cli. What I mentioned are the major GUI things. |
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| 18:03.03 | johnfg | Diopter, one you mentioned that I can't believe it took me so long to discover but I really like is urxvt. |
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| 18:04.03 | Diopter | johnfg: urxvt is excellent, really. I have a script keybound that lets me navigate around the terminal buffer and highlight/copy things |
| 18:04.27 | Diopter | johnfg: The goal of my environment is to basically never touch the mouse. It's increased my efficiency and productivity many fold over the past 3-4 years |
| 18:04.42 | craigevil | !tell dtcrshr about nodm |
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| 18:05.07 | mramish | Iam planning to install testing on my workstation and stabble on my local fileserver. After reading the admin handbook i wonder whats the best way to keep the testing distribution updatet. For sid the recommendation is dist-upgrade but what should i do in testing ? |
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| 18:05.24 | craigevil | same |
| 18:05.30 | johnfg | cool! I bet you use screen a lot to, eh? |
| 18:05.36 | dtcrshr | thanks craigevil |
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| 18:06.40 | Diopter | johnfg: Actually... I don't really! Ever since discovering tiling WMs, I've found that in a terminal, I generally always want to see what's on every terminal |
| 18:06.59 | Diopter | johnfg: So instead of hiding them in buffers, I tile them on a workspace, or move them to other workspaces |
| 18:07.30 | Diopter | johnfg: I still buffer webpages (conkeror) and files when editing (emacs) and chatrooms/messaging (weechat), though |
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| 18:09.36 | btr | hello.. is preffered pbuild over rootstrap? |
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| 18:11.34 | ElDiabolo | tremon, Could you try a wget -v http://141.76.2.4/debian/pool/main/w/webkit/libwebkitgtk-3.0-0_1.8.1-2_amd64.deb . I think the box may have a corrupted disk. |
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| 18:16.22 | ElDiabolo | Could anyone try a wget -v http://141.76.2.4/debian/pool/main/w/webkit/libwebkitgtk-3.0-0_1.8.1-2_amd64.deb . I think the box may have a corrupted disk. The download gets repeatedly stalled at the same byte position. |
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| 18:17.01 | KriP | 2012-05-10 20:16:55 (1.83 MB/s) - `libwebkitgtk-3.0-0_1.8.1-2_amd64.deb' saved [7489656/7489656] |
| 18:17.09 | KriP | Seems fine here ElDiabolo |
| 18:17.16 | ElDiabolo | Thx |
| 18:17.25 | NishaKitty | would anyone have an idea when gimp 2.8 would hit any of the repos? (wheezy/sid) |
| 18:18.23 | ElDiabolo | KriP, Then something in the net between me and that mirror must be allergic to some byte patterns. |
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| 18:18.34 | ElDiabolo | very weird. |
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| 18:19.07 | KriP | ElDiabolo, yea guess so. Very strange |
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| 18:22.12 | jelly-home | NishaKitty: it's in experimental if you're impatient |
| 18:22.28 | jelly-home | NishaKitty: /msg judd versions gimp |
| 18:22.29 | NishaKitty | ok |
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| 18:39.01 | grobda24 | Hello. Is ntfsresize in a reasonably mature state ? I notice it has not had a git commit since 2009 (according to sourceforge). Want to make sure I'm using something reliable for an NTFS partition shrink to allow installation of an ext3/4 partition on the same drive. |
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| 18:39.43 | HashBanana | hi, i try to follow the module compilation procedure in this thread https://sourceforge.net/p/e1000/bugs/1/ but make modules_install always fails with modules.order missing. what do i do wrong? |
| 18:39.58 | HashBanana | i am on testing |
| 18:41.14 | woshty | grobda24: windows can resize partitions as well within limits |
| 18:42.18 | jelly-home | grobda24: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/ is now the active, merged project. I don't know whether it has a public VCS |
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| 18:42.51 | grobda24 | jelly-home, thanks |
| 18:42.58 | grobda24 | woshty, in Windows XP ? |
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| 18:45.02 | woshty | grobda24: dont think so, vista upwards |
| 18:45.20 | grobda24 | woshty, i c, cheers |
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| 18:46.00 | jelly-home | 2011, not that bad http://ntfs-3g.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ntfs-3g/ntfs-3g;a=history;f=ntfsprogs/ntfsresize.c;h=441de0398f6f09df69172e780fa9083b6276ea8e;hb=HEAD |
| 18:46.09 | woshty | grobda24: what does parted magic use? use that. |
| 18:46.44 | grobda24 | woshty, could do but debian reference recommends using a "specialised tool" for resizing |
| 18:47.21 | grobda24 | resize2fs for ext3, or in this case ntfs-3g / ntfsprogrs |
| 18:48.51 | woshty | grobda24: parted magic uses ntfsprogs |
| 18:48.53 | jelly-home | or boot gparted livecd/liveusb or parted magic |
| 18:49.06 | jelly-home | NO WARRANTY |
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| 18:49.29 | jelly-home | grobda24: of course, you have a tested backup of said ntfs partition! |
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| 18:49.53 | woshty | grobda24: yes, make a working backup |
| 18:50.16 | Diopter | As opposed to broken backups. Boy, I make those all the time, let me tell you, don't go there. |
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| 19:08.33 | damian0815 | hi all, quick q: i have a signal handler called via a SIGRTMIN signal i set up to fire once every 2ms. in this signal handler i'm calling ioctl, read and write to read/write to I2C and now SPI bus. |
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| 19:12.40 | jordanm | HashBanana: those drivers are already built-in to the kernel |
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| 19:12.55 | HashBanana | they don't work on my machine |
| 19:13.07 | HashBanana | for details, see the link |
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| 19:13.18 | Innocentus | hi |
| 19:13.29 | Innocentus | I just restarted my vserver (was necessary) but now I cannot connect with ssh to it |
| 19:13.36 | Innocentus | how can I find out what error occured during boot? |
| 19:13.40 | Innocentus | I can use rescure system |
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| 20:10.45 | matthiasb | Hi, quick help needed: I am trying to pressed my d-i. Using USB image, have to crate preseed.cfg. Done that. Missing part is linking that file as a menu entry or default entry at boot time. |
| 20:10.57 | matthiasb | How do i do that? Doc mentions modifying syslinux.cfg, but not HOW. |
| 20:11.10 | matthiasb | More precicely i am following that guide in the d-i documentation; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
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| 20:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: In redhat you just append ks=<path to file> to the boot command (ie linux ks=http://server/ks.cfg) |
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| 20:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | ks standing for kickstart which is the rh equivalent of preseed. |
| 20:16.22 | matthiasb | Problem is, my machine has no monitor. Well it has but graphics do not work. Cant see a single char. |
| 20:16.43 | matthiasb | Need it to automatically load preseed file itself, set up network and ssh-server and let me do the rest by network-console. |
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| 20:17.19 | matthiasb | Done that before and worked, now with the new debian it doesn't and i cannot figure out why because graphics are broken |
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| 20:17.49 | Mogget | There's a Debian book on systems administration. Where to buy it to optimize this for Debian? |
| 20:17.57 | Mogget | I want the book, not the pdf |
| 20:18.16 | jelly-home | !handbook |
| 20:18.16 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at: http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. It can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package (only in sid; in wheezy soon). Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 20:18.47 | Mogget | thank you. |
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| 20:20.54 | matthiasb | That makes me mad. Doc clearly state that file will be loaded automatically. For some reason it doesnt. |
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| 20:25.46 | gnarface | matthiasb: tried a simpler preseed file? or maybe like, an example one from the docs? |
| 20:25.56 | matthiasb | Did |
| 20:26.02 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 20:26.06 | gnarface | where did you put it again? |
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| 20:26.09 | matthiasb | I used the one, which was working last time |
| 20:26.16 | matthiasb | root dir of usb-stick |
| 20:26.31 | matthiasb | Is this file here almose exactly: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/example-preseed.txt |
| 20:26.58 | Diopter | matthiasb: How do you have access to this machine? |
| 20:27.06 | gnarface | matthiasb: which d-i version/installer image, specifically? |
| 20:27.07 | matthiasb | Maybe i need to mention it in syslinux.cfg doc does not state how to. |
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| 20:27.24 | matthiasb | Latest version d-i downloaded today for i368 |
| 20:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: stable? |
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| 20:27.58 | matthiasb | Guess so, there was no alternative. |
| 20:28.19 | matthiasb | It was: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
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| 20:28.23 | matthiasb | Image in hd-media |
| 20:28.53 | matthiasb | Did a dd onto my usb-stick and booting fine. |
| 20:28.59 | matthiasb | Ingoring preseed completely |
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| 20:30.02 | matthiasb | Does this pressed need its own menu entry and if, how to make one? |
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| 20:30.46 | gnarface | matthiasb: i don't supposed you'd mind humoring me and trying it again using *THIS* download url specifically? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:30.51 | matthiasb | Diopter, sorry read past your line: Direct access. Machine is an old laptop right beside me. Graphics are dead. |
| 20:31.20 | matthiasb | It isn't about the cd iso. That will be loaded later gnarface |
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| 20:31.37 | matthiasb | If i understand corretly it will be loaded at a later stage over ssh promt. |
| 20:31.55 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: That doesn't sound right to me. |
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| 20:32.00 | Diopter | matthiasb: Aha. So your goal is to preseed up to ssh, so you can login and continue? |
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| 20:32.20 | matthiasb | I have to assume that the machines CD drive is dead, thus using an USB-Stick. I dd'd the hd-media on it and copied the cd image file on it. |
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| 20:32.26 | matthiasb | Worked like that last time... |
| 20:32.43 | matthiasb | Diopter, yes exactely. |
| 20:32.52 | jhutchins_lt | ownership/permissions? |
| 20:32.57 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.02 | Diopter | matthiasb: I don't suppose the machine has a serial port |
| 20:33.18 | matthiasb | No it doesnt. |
| 20:33.40 | Diopter | Darn. serial console is easy :P |
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| 20:33.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Will Debian 7 have the gnome 2 fork called "MATE", in its repositories or is that too new to have any chance of being included? |
| 20:33.46 | matthiasb | Is there a key-type combination i could type blind that easily enables network-console. |
| 20:34.08 | matthiasb | I just don't get why it is ignorying my preseed.cfg |
| 20:34.18 | matthiasb | It didn't do that last time. |
| 20:34.21 | Diopter | Check the ownership/permissions like jhutchins_lt suggested |
| 20:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | LinuxGuy2009: There are five gnome forks I know of. |
| 20:34.39 | matthiasb | Gimme a minute. Thanks for the hint. |
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| 20:36.01 | matthiasb | -rwxr-xr-x should be sufficient. |
| 20:36.46 | Diopter | matthiasb: Also... you said you put it in the root directory... but the handbook actually says to put it in the root directory of the initrd. Perhaps you should specify it in the bootloader config |
| 20:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | Create a new label and give it a name (e.g., netinst). Use the following boot options: |
| 20:37.23 | matthiasb | The location? How do i do that? Modify syslinux.cfg? |
| 20:37.26 | jhutchins_lt | auto=true vga=normal file=/hd-media|cdrom/preseed.cfg initrd=initrd.gz |
| 20:37.33 | matthiasb | Yes I mentioned that. |
| 20:37.35 | jhutchins_lt | That sounds pretty straightforward to me. |
| 20:37.39 | matthiasb | But i don't know how to create a label. |
| 20:37.50 | jhutchins_lt | [label] iirc |
| 20:37.58 | jhutchins_lt | It's what shows up as a choice at boot. |
| 20:38.11 | matthiasb | The exact syntax is missing for me... |
| 20:38.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | jhutchins_lt: Wow I had no idea. Will any make it to Debian 7? |
| 20:38.29 | jhutchins_lt | You'll also want to set it as the default label, or just change the existing one. Use the existing label as an example. |
| 20:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | LinuxGuy2009: I don't know that any are being adopted by Debian so far, but all are installable. |
| 20:39.07 | matthiasb | That line states "default vesamenu.c32" |
| 20:39.26 | matthiasb | Simply change it to "default preseed.cfg" ? |
| 20:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Can you point me at a syslinux.config file? |
| 20:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | I've done this, but it was ~2009. |
| 20:39.49 | Diopter | matthiasb: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 20:39.59 | matthiasb | jhulst, http://pastebin.com/aRj0kexp |
| 20:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: I think that's what he's working from. |
| 20:40.30 | matthiasb | Diopter, yes trying to work with that page. |
| 20:40.45 | matthiasb | Sorry for the wrong hilight. |
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| 20:41.21 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Maybe pastebin your config? |
| 20:41.26 | matthiasb | So http://pastebin.com/aRj0kexp (syslinux.cfg) is in the root direction of my usb-stick-partition. |
| 20:41.37 | matthiasb | Yes, did that but hilighted the wrong one, sorry. |
| 20:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, like that. |
| 20:42.12 | matthiasb | So now, i simply replace "vesamenu.c32" with "preseed.cfg" ? |
| 20:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: No, you need to look at menu.cfg and see what's going on in there. That's where vesamenu.c32 label lives. |
| 20:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | This is what you have to go through to do netboot menus as well - a real hair tearer. |
| 20:43.45 | matthiasb | menu.cfg looks like this: http://pastebin.com/4u1wgPFS |
| 20:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: See where menu.cfg is included? |
| 20:43.49 | Diopter | matthiasb: http://www.instalinux.com/cgi-bin/coe_bootimage.cgi purports to create an image for you by walking you through preseed configs. |
| 20:44.00 | Diopter | matthiasb: Might be worth doing it then examining what it builds. |
| 20:45.06 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Getting closer, now we want perhaps stdmenu.cfg |
| 20:45.49 | matthiasb | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/t1D5jFNt |
| 20:45.58 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Diopter's suggesting is probably better than the sequential tooth-pulling that is stepping through the cfg file.s |
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| 20:47.08 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Now I remember why I hate syslinux and never finished that project. |
| 20:47.27 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: the syslinux config on the RH boot image is much simpler. |
| 20:47.36 | matthiasb | For me, knowing little about d-i it is a nightmare going through this. |
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| 20:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: It's a nightmare, no mistake. |
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| 20:49.47 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt, matthiasb: We have several preseed/syslinux configs we carry for the Ubuntu server clusters we deploy, but getting them setup initially was definitely nightmarish. |
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| 20:50.02 | vagn | so I'm getting this when running deboostrap: E: Failed getting release file http://user:pass@1.2.3.4:5/archive.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release |
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| 20:50.33 | vagn | is there a known problem with installing from the archives? |
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| 20:51.07 | jelly-home | vagn: are you... trying to use a proxy? |
| 20:51.17 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Have a look at this much simpler isolinux.cfg - it shold work with syslinux as well: http://pastebin.com/U3nvHWAL |
| 20:51.23 | jelly-home | vagn: what's that http://user:pass@1.2.3.4:5/ thing? |
| 20:51.31 | vagn | thats proxy stuff |
| 20:51.49 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: That's a beautiful simplification ;D |
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| 20:52.11 | jelly-home | vagn: that's not how a http proxy is used on command line. Set up an enviroment variable instead. "export http_proxy=http://user:pass@1.2.3.4:5/" |
| 20:52.33 | jhutchins_lt | It's just amazing how complex some of those menus are. I was dealing with a structure like the DI menu config for my PXE setup, and like I said, I gave up. |
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| 20:52.48 | vagn | thanks jh, will try it |
| 20:52.56 | jhutchins_lt | It looks like the DI used to use the simpler format, and the documentation assumes that it still does. |
| 20:53.06 | jelly-home | jh gets all the thanks :-( |
| 20:53.16 | matthiasb | That online thingy what Diopter suggestet generated that preseed: http://www.instalinux.com/download/preseed14912.txt |
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| 20:53.41 | matthiasb | But if i understand correctely the best preseed file is useless unless i can fix the syslinux.cfg, right? |
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| 20:53.47 | vagn | jelly-home: thanks, will try it |
| 20:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: That's because we EXPECT you to be a sysgod. |
| 20:54.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, comfort me |
| 20:54.09 | dpkg | There, there, jelly-home. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:54.11 | jhutchins_lt | matthiasb: Yep. |
| 20:54.23 | gnarface | hey how does alsa save/restore mixer settings on reboot now? did they change how that works? |
| 20:54.50 | matthiasb | jhutchins_lt, so i should use your isolunux.cfg replace syslinux.cfg with it and hope it loads preseed.cfg? |
| 20:54.55 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: writes/reads to a file |
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| 20:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | WEll, I guess what you really have to do is figure out where the differences are - the name of the image and the options for loading it will probably be different, but that gives you the simplified structure so you can wade through all the cruft, maybe use grep to find where the actual launch commands are. |
| 20:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | Once you know what you need to call, though, you might want to use the simpler format. |
| 20:56.20 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: yea that part i get, but i used to be able to find which file by looking at the module aliases, it was like a --post-install /--ignore-install line attached to the script for the modprobe command or something. i could just grep /etc for alsamixer and find it.... where the hell does it happen now? |
| 20:56.38 | jhutchins_lt | The DI one gives you alternate screens to load by pressing F-keys, and pretty colored menus. |
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| 20:57.05 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Prob'ly hald. |
| 20:57.20 | gnarface | hhhmmmmm |
| 20:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | That's the current one that detects hardware changes, right? |
| 20:57.48 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: can't be that. i don't have hal installed |
| 20:58.06 | matthiasb | Sorry, but i cant run commands on the machine where d-i should run on. Well i could but there is no visible output. |
| 20:58.24 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: I hope not, hal has been deprecated for a long time now |
| 20:58.40 | Diopter | Facestabbingly deprecated. It just won't die, but they're trying hard |
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| 21:00.39 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, udev, not hald |
| 21:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | I get them mixed up. |
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| 21:00.56 | jhutchins_lt | remembers when hald was the new kid on the block. |
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| 21:01.27 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: Easy mistake to make. hald is all "lol" and udev is all "BIWINNING". Almost indistinguishable. |
| 21:01.49 | jhutchins_lt | Mmmm-k. |
| 21:02.34 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if it's appropriate to bugreport the network console documentation since it's not currently helpful with the syslinux stuff? |
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| 21:06.35 | Kyle__ | I'm trying to do a live conversion from net-boot to local install on a system, using dselect. |
| 21:06.55 | Kyle__ | After following the simple instructions on wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, I get a working chroot, but no dselect. Is this normal for squeeze? |
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| 21:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | Kyle__: debbootstrap builds a severly limited system iirc. dselect, not being strictly necessary, isn't included. Not sure if aptitude is either. |
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| 21:10.14 | tremon | Kyle__: that's normal, because dselect is of priority optional. You need to specify it explicitly |
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| 21:10.45 | Kyle__ | jhutchins_lt: aptitude seems to be. OK |
| 21:11.23 | tremon | that's unexpected. I had expected aptitude to be excluded too |
| 21:11.27 | Diopter | Speaking of debootstrap, anyone know if there's a plan for EFI to be included in debian-installer anytime soonlike? |
| 21:11.27 | Kyle__ | tremon: Not having done a pure deb install in some time, dselect is what deb's installer uses to trigger actions like install base system, run grub, right? |
| 21:12.18 | tremon | the installer uses tasksel, I believe. Not sure what the relationship is between tasksel and dselect |
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| 21:12.37 | Kyle__ | tremon: Oh. I must have been thinking of something else then! THank you. |
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| 21:13.31 | gnarface | Kyle__: nobody uses deselect anymore. i think like years ago it may have been the default |
| 21:13.42 | mattp_ | is it possible to install a package that overwrites another packages files? say 2 packages include a /foo/readme.txt |
| 21:13.53 | gnarface | Kyle__: it was sidelined for being too obtuse even for debian users |
| 21:14.07 | gnarface | Kyle__: i still know old fuckers who swear by it |
| 21:15.17 | tremon | mattp_: I think not, unless both packages specify a divert |
| 21:15.33 | Kyle__ | gnarface: I sometimes think it's hard to find debian users aren't grey[beards|manes] or bald. |
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| 21:15.53 | Kyle__ | has enough gray in his beard and on his head to say that... |
| 21:16.17 | Diopter | Kyle__: Got a whole team of operators here that aren't greyed up ;P |
| 21:16.18 | tremon | reminds himself to shave tomorrow morning |
| 21:16.34 | Kyle__ | Diopter: Bald? |
| 21:17.08 | Diopter | Kyle__: Haha, nope. Just 20/30-somethings. |
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| 21:17.17 | cardamon | Sup. |
| 21:17.21 | Kyle__ | Awesome. |
| 21:17.25 | Diopter | cardamon: You're my favorite spice. |
| 21:17.31 | cardamon | Sup. |
| 21:17.50 | Diopter | Floor scaffolding of the next storey. |
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| 21:19.37 | lenswipe | hey gus |
| 21:19.39 | lenswipe | guys* |
| 21:19.41 | lenswipe | anyone around? |
| 21:19.50 | lenswipe | error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file |
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| 21:19.55 | lenswipe | anyone able to help with that? |
| 21:19.57 | Kyle__ | Nope. Too busy playing with debootstrap |
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| 21:20.13 | gnarface | Kyle__: well my beard is greying and my head is balding so... i guess i've got no rebuttal. |
| 21:20.18 | Kyle__ | OK. ldd the library ldgtk-1.2.so.0 |
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| 21:20.29 | cardamon | Need a little help on the installer. I've got a a partition on sda. It -was- sda1 was 850gb / partition, and sda2 and sda3 are Windows partitions for my dual boot...and they were all primary with a swap at the end.. |
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| 21:21.00 | Diopter | lenswipe: Might need to install the package containing the library. Or ldd it. |
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| 21:21.09 | Kyle__ | gnarface: :) It's good to be a graybeard. |
| 21:21.10 | streuner_ | cardamon: Past Tense? |
| 21:21.25 | tremon | cardamon: swap at the beginning of the disk is faster |
| 21:21.27 | cardamon | Now I'm trying to break it up and make 800gb /home partition and a 50gb / |
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| 21:21.46 | lenswipe | Diopter, well yeah im not sure how to do that |
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| 21:21.58 | streuner_ | cardamon: well, cfdisk or fdisk are just fine... |
| 21:21.59 | cardamon | But it won't let me make the swap partition. I deleted it, and now it says that that region is unsuable. |
| 21:22.10 | lenswipe | Diopter, im seeing posts about people running ubuntu who are having the same issue and ubuntu have dropped the library |
| 21:22.18 | cardamon | I think I at the limit for primary partitions maybe? |
| 21:22.27 | tremon | cardamon: 4 primary max |
| 21:22.36 | cardamon | ...I only have three. |
| 21:22.40 | cardamon | What gives? |
| 21:22.43 | Diopter | lenswipe: Not surprising, it's a GTK 1.2 library... |
| 21:22.48 | lenswipe | indeed |
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| 21:22.57 | lenswipe | so how do i install it on debian squeeze? |
| 21:23.13 | Diopter | lenswipe: Very carefully. And probably very manually, from an older set of packages. |
| 21:23.20 | Diopter | Or you just use more updated software |
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| 21:23.30 | tremon | cardamon: I've lost count. 2 windows partitions, /, /home and swap is 5? |
| 21:23.49 | lenswipe | Diopter, not possible - thats the newest version there is - unless you know of a PS1 emulator for debian squeeze? |
| 21:23.49 | streuner_ | cardamon: did i miss something, i cannot unterstand the problem |
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| 21:24.42 | cardamon | What I'm trying to do, in the order that I see it on the screen: #1 primary /, #5 logical /home, #2 primary ntfs (105mb), #3 primary ntfs (149gb), 1.2 unusable |
| 21:24.55 | cardamon | I want that 1.2gb unusable to be swap. |
| 21:25.08 | vagn | jelly-home: that was it. thaks. |
| 21:25.13 | vagn | thanks* |
| 21:25.26 | Diopter | lenswipe: What about pcsxr? |
| 21:25.37 | Diopter | lenswipe: It's actually in my wheezy repo |
| 21:25.45 | tremon | cardamon: an extended partition takes up one of your 4 primary partitions |
| 21:25.51 | streuner_ | cardamon: how about to read Partition HOWTO? |
| 21:26.11 | lenswipe | Diopter, i have a recollection of trying it but i dont remember it working - im trying a how-to right now |
| 21:26.21 | lenswipe | Diopter, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=51266 im trying that |
| 21:26.25 | Diopter | lenswipe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrFAfcg53Q this came up |
| 21:26.32 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: If you want five usable partitions, your fourth needs to be a virtual partition that contains the other two. |
| 21:26.45 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: Thank you for that. |
| 21:26.49 | Diopter | lenswipe: Dude looks a little douchy with my sound off, but he's successful, so hey :P |
| 21:27.15 | lenswipe | Diopter, wget http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18_all.deb thats giving me a 404 |
| 21:27.16 | lenswipe | O_O |
| 21:27.18 | lenswipe | any ideas? |
| 21:27.40 | cardamon | Can I reorder/reassign some of these partitions to a virtual partition without loosing their data? |
| 21:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Yes. deleting them won't caus the backup copies to be lost. |
| 21:28.14 | Diopter | lolol |
| 21:28.23 | cardamon | What backups? |
| 21:28.30 | Diopter | lenswipe: My idea is that you're reading a forum post that's 2 years old. |
| 21:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Since you are messing with the partition table and risking loosing ALL data, I know you wisely made backups before you started. |
| 21:28.36 | cardamon | :P |
| 21:28.36 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 21:28.46 | lenswipe | Diopter, possibly but hmm |
| 21:28.47 | tremon | ... except that creating an extended partition where a primary used to be will move the starting sector |
| 21:28.47 | Diopter | lenswipe: Which has links to files on mirrors that are... 2 years old. |
| 21:28.54 | streuner_ | jhutchins_lt: dreamer :-P |
| 21:29.27 | Diopter | lenswipe: This is my surprised face that it's 404'ing ":|" <- |
| 21:29.27 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: Backed up important stuff. There's nothing on the windows partition I can't afford to lose. |
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| 21:29.27 | cardamon | It's just a pain. |
| 21:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: I hear rumors that you can do things like that with (g)parted, but I'm not certain it will do what you want. |
| 21:29.27 | streuner_ | sounds ok to me |
| 21:29.52 | Diopter | cardamon: For future reference, you should probably stick your linux system into an LVM PV. |
| 21:29.52 | tremon | cardamon: your windows boot partition must be a primary partition iirc |
| 21:29.56 | Diopter | Because LVM > Logical partitions |
| 21:29.59 | cardamon | You know, I think I'm going to call it. I'll rejigger my whole part table. |
| 21:30.11 | cardamon | I never bothered to figure out LVM. |
| 21:30.23 | streuner_ | LVM is a pain |
| 21:30.29 | lenswipe | Diopter, k |
| 21:30.36 | tremon | ah shame... you would've avoided your current situation |
| 21:30.45 | lenswipe | Diopter, its gtk 1.2 thats 404ing again :/ |
| 21:31.08 | streuner_ | cardamon: never unterestimate how much it cost it needs... |
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| 21:31.17 | cardamon | Anyone know if windows has issues with LVM for dual booting? |
| 21:31.32 | cardamon | Not really a deb question...yet still, I must ask. |
| 21:31.49 | mongo | a windows disk can not be a lvm volume |
| 21:31.50 | streuner_ | cardamon: we support here Debian |
| 21:31.50 | Diopter | Windows will not work out of LVM. You'll want it on its own partition. |
| 21:32.11 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Windows can't see the linux partitions anyway, doesn't care that they're lvm. |
| 21:32.23 | streuner_ | cardamon: but basically i wouldnt use LVM, because it costs more than the effort |
| 21:32.32 | cardamon | Okay then. |
| 21:32.46 | Diopter | It's remarkably easy for a simple setup. Make a partition, give it LVM as the type code, pvcreate /dev/<part>, vgcreate <vg-name> /dev/<part>, lvcreate -n <lv-name> -L <size> <vg-name>, mkfs.blah /dev/<vg-name>/<lv-name> |
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| 21:32.55 | mongo | snapshots are nice on lvm too |
| 21:32.58 | Diopter | streuner_: I disagree wholeheartedly. Especially if you ever need to resize/adjust partitions. |
| 21:33.08 | Diopter | LVM makes that process > 9000x easier than bare partitions |
| 21:33.37 | streuner_ | Diopter: HD's are nowadays pretty cheap. |
| 21:33.45 | mongo | I tend to make root small and create lvm volumes for /var as an example, so an crazy sysloging daemon won't fill / |
| 21:34.01 | Diopter | cardamon: After you've created your volume group (vg) and some logical volumes (lv), you can use the pv-/vg-/lv- tools to interact with them. Such as pvs/vgs/lvs, which are like the volume equivalents of 'ls' |
| 21:34.35 | tremon | streuner_: hd's may be cheap, but downtime isn't |
| 21:34.41 | Diopter | ^ |
| 21:34.50 | mongo | btrfs removes the need for lvm, but the other nice thing about lvm is it removes a lot of grub issues with device names |
| 21:34.53 | cardamon | Diopter: Just got netinst right now. |
| 21:34.57 | Kyle__ | LVM is pretty fantastic for me. Especially if you have an ever-growing need for drive space, and don't want to split your files up in illogical ways |
| 21:35.11 | cardamon | Can netinstall do LVM? |
| 21:35.14 | Diopter | Kyle__: Right. You can just add another physical volume into the volume group |
| 21:35.15 | Diopter | cardamon: Yes. |
| 21:35.16 | mongo | cardamon: yes |
| 21:35.26 | cardamon | ^_^ |
| 21:35.32 | Diopter | Kyle__: You can even stripe across it for simple RAID-like behavior, if you don't care to add space. |
| 21:35.33 | cardamon | I shall read wikis. |
| 21:35.37 | Kyle__ | Diopter: Which has saved my butt plenty of times. |
| 21:35.38 | Diopter | Or mirror, for redundancy. |
| 21:35.41 | Diopter | nods |
| 21:36.04 | mongo | debian does dangerous defaults in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf though, you shold go add a filter to point to /dev/devices/scsi- |
| 21:36.04 | Diopter | Again, LVM is truly fantastic in basically every way. It even passes through TRIM commands to the underlying hardware if it supports it, now. |
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| 21:36.20 | Diopter | mongo: I'd appreciate btrfs a lot more if it had a working fsck. |
| 21:36.24 | Kyle__ | Diopter: You can mirror, wich is slightly laggy compared to raid1 (you can even tune it to be laggier so it doesn't slow down your important writes), but I've never tried the stripping... |
| 21:36.27 | mongo | Diopter: it does now |
| 21:36.36 | Diopter | mongo: Lies! Since when?! :P |
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| 21:36.46 | mongo | months |
| 21:36.49 | artaud | hello! |
| 21:36.54 | mongo | I don't know if it is in sid |
| 21:36.59 | streuner_ | tremon: sure, but this concept just sucks, IMO |
| 21:37.01 | cardamon | Is there any module I need to load for LVM in the installer? |
| 21:37.03 | artaud | alternatives |
| 21:37.04 | Diopter | Kyle__: You can amusingly do both striping and mirroring by nesting pv's |
| 21:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | Multi-disk volumes. Oy. Talk about the need for backups. |
| 21:37.06 | artaud | to wicd? |
| 21:37.07 | Diopter | Kyle__: Make yourself an LVM-10 |
| 21:37.08 | artaud | for command line? |
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| 21:37.16 | Kyle__ | Diopter: Ow. Ow! |
| 21:37.18 | cardamon | er component |
| 21:37.21 | Diopter | Kyle__: Correct! :D |
| 21:37.28 | streuner_ | artaud: google for WLAN HOWTO Debian |
| 21:37.30 | cardamon | cfdisk? |
| 21:37.31 | craigevil | artaud, wpa_cli |
| 21:37.37 | jhutchins_lt | artaud: Since squeeze network-manager has worked better for more people than wicd. |
| 21:37.47 | Diopter | cardamon: No, actually, the installer does it through partman-lvm |
| 21:37.51 | Diopter | cardamon: Which is a default component afaik |
| 21:37.59 | streuner_ | jhutchins_lt: you didnt mention interfaces |
| 21:38.07 | mongo | don't use UUID's to mount if you use the default debian lvm.conf FYI |
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| 21:38.30 | mongo | because the dm rules are braindead, a snapshot takes over /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 21:38.41 | artaud | iwlist and editing /etc/network/interfaces would suffice for single network |
| 21:38.58 | streuner_ | true |
| 21:39.06 | jelly-home | mongo: huh, do you have a bts bug number for that |
| 21:39.20 | artaud | but not for more :) |
| 21:39.30 | mongo | jelly-home: i'll look for it, they said it "was for a reason" and never said the reason |
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| 21:39.38 | streuner_ | artaud: well, even interfaces has alternatives... |
| 21:39.44 | mongo | jelly-home: really there is no reason for lvm to scan the entire /dev tree anyway |
| 21:39.45 | craigevil | uses lvm and has one UUID entry in fstab for /boot |
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| 21:40.08 | craigevil | it was setup that way by the installer |
| 21:40.08 | artaud | wicd-cli, hm... |
| 21:40.30 | cardamon | so swap in the front? |
| 21:40.32 | Diopter | mongo: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Btrfsck <- Is this what you meant? The offline check? |
| 21:40.57 | Diopter | cardamon: It's technically faster, yes. Unless you've got an SSD |
| 21:41.01 | artaud | actually, if we're on the topic already |
| 21:41.08 | cardamon | WD Caviar Green. |
| 21:41.12 | cardamon | So no. |
| 21:41.15 | artaud | sought after feature is custom mac address for network |
| 21:41.26 | artaud | ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:07 |
| 21:41.27 | streuner_ | artaud: sure, but why the hell you didnt read WLAN HOWTO Debian yet? |
| 21:41.32 | artaud | I did |
| 21:41.37 | mongo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/460906 <-- downstream bug on the by-id issue |
| 21:41.38 | lenswipe | Diopter, whats the 64 bit version of libglib1.2_1.2.10-17_i386.deb ? |
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| 21:42.00 | streuner_ | artaud: hm, so i dont unterstand why you asked about alternatives here |
| 21:42.05 | Diopter | lenswipe: Don't know, I only have libglib2.0 in my repo. |
| 21:42.11 | cardamon | How big would you make swap parition? 2*ram capacity? |
| 21:42.13 | Diopter | lenswipe: If you're looking in a mirror, it should be there. |
| 21:42.29 | Diopter | cardamon: Kind of depends on how much RAM you have and how much pressure you expect to put on it (how close to filled) |
| 21:42.29 | lenswipe | Diopter, i can only find the 32 bit version |
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| 21:43.07 | Diopter | cardamon: For our hypervisor compute clusters, they've got 96GB of RAM on the low end. I can assure you we're not putting 192GB of swap on them ;P |
| 21:43.12 | mongo | jelly-home: multipathd doesn't update by-id either, so you are always on a single path, by-id/scsi* is updated |
| 21:43.41 | artaud | wicd-cli and wicd-curses are all right |
| 21:43.49 | jelly-home | mongo: yeah, I use /dev/mapper/* directly for multipath anyway |
| 21:44.05 | artaud | now let's change the question to "can any network manager set custom mac address for every configured network?" |
| 21:44.06 | jelly-home | and nicer aliases |
| 21:44.10 | mongo | jelly-home: that is not safe either IMHO, if you have guests that can be mapped to a new udev |
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| 21:44.32 | cardamon | Diopter: I don't know. Honestly. I run some VMs sometimes, but it seems like I run out video memory first. |
| 21:44.42 | mongo | jelly-home: it is fine to mount from there but lvm should only scan by-id/scsi* |
| 21:44.53 | Diopter | cardamon: How much RAM do you have? |
| 21:44.57 | cardamon | 8GB |
| 21:45.03 | mongo | ata,usb and other block devices get scsi* devices made now |
| 21:45.14 | Diopter | cardamon: Probably safe to go with 1/2 to 1x for swap. |
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| 21:45.35 | jelly-home | mongo: I limit lvm to scan only /dev/mapper/pv-* |
| 21:45.38 | mongo | or learn how to set oom scores :) |
| 21:45.57 | jelly-home | mongo: and PVs are named like that |
| 21:45.58 | Diopter | mongo: Can certainly do that too, but that's a fun exercise that's kind of separate from choosing to use swap or not and how much ;P |
| 21:46.15 | mongo | jelly-home: a dd means a pv- may not be unique, and it may not be multipathed |
| 21:46.55 | jelly-home | mongo: it always is, here, and multipath device names have to be unique |
| 21:47.17 | cardamon | I had 1.2GB...weird |
| 21:47.54 | mongo | in /dev there is no reason multipath devices need to be unique |
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| 21:48.30 | mongo | they need to be unique in /sys but not in /dev |
| 21:48.30 | jelly-home | mongo: huh |
| 21:48.59 | mongo | jelly-home: they should be named wwn-* and scsi-* as the best method of getting to that unique device |
| 21:49.03 | jelly-home | we map WWNs to mpath devices, WWNs are bloody well unique |
| 21:49.17 | mongo | scsi-* is done correctly, wwn-* is last writer wins |
| 21:49.31 | mongo | as is everything in by-uuid |
| 21:49.40 | jelly-home | yeah, I don't use that symlink crap at all |
| 21:49.52 | Diopter | mongo: Do you have a reference or similar on the multipath device names and implementations? I'm pretty new to it, would like to get a firm grasp |
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| 21:50.20 | mongo | Diopter: it is best to just go look in /lib/udev/rules.d/ |
| 21:50.39 | mongo | and look at the device names in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 21:50.44 | Diopter | mongo: Ah, so "read" the "docs". Got it. |
| 21:51.04 | jelly-home | mongo: I did experience the same thing with IBMtape and tape drives, its /dev/lin_tape/by-id get clobbered in a similar way |
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| 21:51.27 | mongo | udisks --dump is great for seeing what is symlinked into /dev too |
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| 21:52.16 | mongo | jelly-home: I wish the maintainers could provide the mystery reason why they can't have by-id work |
| 21:52.33 | jelly-home | Diopter: multipath.conf manual and sample files are good enough to get naming around. Various device implementation bits hide in the kernel |
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| 21:52.55 | jelly-home | mongo: well it works! You get one path. :-D |
| 21:53.05 | mongo | jelly-home: na they are all udev rules, e.g. wwn would remap correctly if the match wasn't limited to DISK |
| 21:53.08 | Diopter | jelly-home: Cool. Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:53.58 | jelly-home | mongo: I guess any serious enterprise just uses /dev/mapper/ or /dev/mpath/ entries like they used to before udev was concieved |
| 21:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | Yup. |
| 21:54.26 | mongo | jelly-home: no, most just set filters in lvm.conf and use /dev/disk/by-id/scsi* |
| 21:55.02 | jhutchins_lt | mongo: I think the GSA would count as a substantial argument in jelly-home's favor. Not a small outfit. |
| 21:55.12 | jelly-home | thanks, but I don't want to depend on udev, and I set filters to use /dev/mapper/mp* or /dev/mapper/pv* instead |
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| 21:55.39 | mongo | using /dev/mpath is a bad bad idea, if your system doesn't start mulitipath you have no path to the disk |
| 21:56.17 | jelly-home | mongo: in my case, I really don't WANT to let it start if mpath is not present |
| 21:56.22 | mattp_ | is it possible to make a package remove another package on uninstall? |
| 21:56.24 | mongo | jhutchins_lt: well i've been tempted to relase a POC I have lost data due to poor vendor provided multipath configs and lvm scanning /dev |
| 21:56.47 | mongo | jelly-home: use the by-id/dm-mpath-* |
| 21:57.11 | kingsley | Can the web browser named "iceweasel" save web pages to disk as plain text instead of html? If so, how? |
| 21:57.17 | jelly-home | mongo: didn't exist on RHEL5 |
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| 21:57.26 | jelly-home | nor lenny, I think |
| 21:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | Given that the U.S. Federal payroll relies on our servers... |
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| 21:57.41 | mongo | jelly-home: well lenny is old :) |
| 21:57.58 | mongo | squeeze or wheezey make a dm-uuid-mpath-3600144f0f26a8a0000004fa322d90008 |
| 21:58.03 | mongo | where the uuid is the scsi ID |
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| 21:58.35 | jelly-home | that's longer and uglier than /dev/mapper/mpath3600144f0f26a8a0000004fa322d90008 |
| 21:58.51 | mongo | yes but /mapper is not reliable IMHO |
| 21:58.51 | jelly-home | or whatever the default naming goes |
| 21:59.08 | jelly-home | mongo: how is it any less reliable than dm-uuid-mpath? |
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| 21:59.29 | mongo | mapper is open to usb keys, guest devices etc... |
| 22:00.26 | jelly-home | I don't allow dm to generate stuff automatically, and HELL no usb keys on my servers |
| 22:00.44 | jelly-home | what are guest devices? |
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| 22:02.07 | jelly-home | the way I see it, you get a framework, and configure lvm and mpath to do what you want to do, obeying the recommendations from storage vendor. Of course you can shoot yourself in the foot, but hey |
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| 22:02.33 | jelly-home | that's why we employ the little gray cells when setting up systems |
| 22:02.39 | mongo | jelly-home: lvm volumes |
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| 22:02.56 | jelly-home | are all named vgname-lvname |
| 22:03.06 | mongo | jelly-home: how the rules are written lvm volumes can win the UUID name in dev/mapper |
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| 22:04.00 | jelly-home | mongo: thankfully default mpath names and default lvm names live in separate namespaces, differing by one '-' character at least |
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| 22:04.25 | pumkinhed | hello #debian, quick q, how would I delay a /etc/init.d script from starting for about a minute? |
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| 22:04.30 | SushiDude | hmm, the latest version of the kernel for Squeeze is 2.6.32-44 yet my computer boots into 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 22:04.57 | jelly-home | SushiDude: what is the version of your linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package? |
| 22:05.00 | mongo | jelly-home: unless multipath thinks an lvm device is a path, that is the issue |
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| 22:05.56 | mongo | well really lvm |
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| 22:07.09 | cardamon | Oh, huh. Would it be worth it to encrypt my LVM? |
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| 22:08.17 | SushiDude | jelly-home, Version: 2.6.32-44 I just updated it |
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| 22:08.54 | jelly-home | SushiDude: so everything's fine |
| 22:08.58 | Diopter | cardamon: "worth it" is a loaded question. Depends on your needs and expectations. |
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| 22:09.17 | cardamon | Diopter: Well, I'm guessing it'd make recovery more difficult. |
| 22:09.24 | SushiDude | jelly-home, okay good! I was worried that it was booting into an old version! |
| 22:09.28 | jelly-home | !tell SushiDude about kernel abi |
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| 22:09.44 | Diopter | cardamon: Ish. The tools are decently aware of the fact you might have a LUKS encrypted LVM |
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| 22:10.03 | Diopter | cardamon: But more difficult than without it, sure. |
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| 22:10.18 | SushiDude | jelly-home, thank you! |
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| 22:11.21 | gnarface | hey how do i check currently installed packages for whether we had their gpg key at installation time? do i lose the ability to check that after they've been installed? |
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| 22:12.08 | cardamon | guh |
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| 22:12.52 | cardamon | Not sure how to make this work. |
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| 22:14.03 | Diopter | cardamon: Just skip it for now then. |
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| 22:14.44 | cardamon | Diopter: I can do LVM later? |
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| 22:15.20 | cardamon | without redoing the partition table? |
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| 22:16.18 | Diopter | cardamon: Er, no, I thought you were struggling with encryption. |
| 22:16.23 | Diopter | cardamon: What trouble are you having? |
| 22:17.00 | mongo | ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", ENV{ID_FS_UUID_ENC}=="?*", SYMLINK+="disk/by-uuid/$env{ID_FS_UUID_ENC}" |
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| 22:17.09 | mongo | FYI there is the rule that overwrites uuid |
| 22:17.17 | mongo | err by-uuid |
| 22:17.45 | cardamon | How to get parted to set up the LVM and deal with the second primary for windows. |
| 22:18.07 | mongo | cardamon: you set up lvm on the partition not the physical disk |
| 22:18.17 | mongo | so lvcreate /dev/sda2 or what ever your partition is |
| 22:18.29 | vagn | !tell |
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| 22:18.35 | vagn | !tell vagn about tell |
| 22:18.46 | vagn | nothing, sigh |
| 22:19.08 | cardamon | mongo: I'm in parted. There is no partition, in so far as I haven't written a table yet. |
| 22:19.16 | vagn | what is this !tell I see? |
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| 22:20.15 | Diopter | cardamon: Hold on. You said you were using the debian installer. |
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| 22:20.19 | Diopter | cardamon: It can do LVM for you. |
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| 22:20.25 | mongo | cardamon: install windows first, then linux IMHO |
| 22:20.42 | cardamon | I know. But I'm anticipating the need. |
| 22:20.53 | cardamon | mongo: That's not hard to get around. |
| 22:20.57 | mongo | cardamon: make the partitions the size you want then |
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| 22:21.17 | cardamon | The guided LVM part just wants to use the whole thing. |
| 22:21.28 | cardamon | so I'm having to figure out the manual way |
| 22:21.28 | Diopter | cardamon: You can easily do it manually, in the installer. |
| 22:21.41 | rainfyre | what is the recommended way to upgrade to wheezy from squeeze? |
| 22:21.59 | Diopter | cardamon: Pick manual, create a small boot partition (say 200MB), create a second partition, "use as" LVM physical volume |
| 22:22.13 | Diopter | cardamon: Then above the partition layout, go to the LVM configuration. |
| 22:22.26 | Diopter | From there you're just making a volume group and some logical volumes. |
| 22:22.43 | Diopter | If you want to do that part manually from a console you certainly can... |
| 22:23.23 | streuner_ | rainfyre: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 22:23.40 | Diopter | cardamon: You can also pick "guided use entire disk and setup LVM", then cancel the final confirmation, and manually adjust |
| 22:23.42 | streuner_ | rainfyre: if you have to ask, just dont use testing |
| 22:23.45 | Diopter | cardamon: Or 80 other combinations :D |
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| 22:24.29 | vagn | dpkg |
| 22:24.40 | mongo | or write a preeseed file :) |
| 22:24.50 | streuner_ | rainfyre: (if you can't resist, make sure you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed) |
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| 22:29.25 | rainfyre | thanks streuner_ |
| 22:30.39 | streuner_ | rainfyre: You're welcome. |
| 22:32.08 | cardamon | Why does it want to make the boot ext2 as opposed to ext3? |
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| 22:33.38 | streuner_ | themill: HOW do you get an .jp IP? |
| 22:34.10 | cardamon | Ugh, it won't let me resize the partition now. |
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| 22:38.00 | vagn | !dpkg |
| 22:38.00 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 22:38.20 | vagn | !dpkg dpkgbot |
| 22:38.20 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 22:38.45 | streuner_ | vagn: just use /msg , thanks :-) |
| 22:38.58 | cardamon | Guys, I think I messed up. I let it setup the LVM, and now it won't let me resize anything. So it's taking up the whole disk. |
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| 22:40.03 | Diopter | cardamon: Elaborate on "won't let me" |
| 22:40.05 | karsten | cardamon: You should be able to shrink partitions (if htey're not mounted). If you want to grwo a partition, you need to clear some space (e.g.: delete an existing LV). |
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| 22:40.28 | karsten | Diopter: I think he forgot to say "please". It's the new politeness directive in all GNU utilities. |
| 22:40.46 | Diopter | karsten: Oh I see. Is the short flag for that "-f"? |
| 22:41.06 | karsten | Diopter: :) |
| 22:41.59 | vagn | streuner_: is that going to everyone? sorry. maybe I need a better irc client. I wasn't seeing any reply to /msg so I tried the !dpkg thing. |
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| 22:42.42 | karsten | vagn: check to see if you got a private response in another tab/window. That's what I generally get with irssi. |
| 22:42.57 | streuner_ | vagn: basically you should in every IRC-Client an reply, what IRC-Client do you use actually? |
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| 22:43.36 | cardamon | Diopter: The lvm partition is taking up almost all the space, and it won't let me shrink it. It says partition in use if I try it. Big red background. As for the lvm volumes it won't let me resize them within parted, I guess. Deleting them isn't an option, and they're automatically taking up the whole thing. |
| 22:43.51 | Diopter | cardamon: Got to head home from work. Honestly, it might be easier to just do it manually. |
| 22:44.08 | cardamon | Diopter: Parted won't let me delete the LVM. |
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| 22:44.23 | cardamon | at least, I assume it's parted. |
| 22:44.42 | Diopter | cardamon: Choose the "go back" option to get back to the main installer menu, switch terminals, "df" to make sure it's not still mounted to /target, umount if so, then "vgchange -a n" to disable any volumes, then parted |
| 22:44.50 | vagn | karsten: found it. not in tabs, but there is anew window in the list. this is xchat. thanks for the suggestion. |
| 22:45.03 | karsten | cardamon: Are you booted into that system presently? Much of this sort of thing is easier if you're running a rescue partition / CD / DVD. |
| 22:45.10 | karsten | vagn: NP. |
| 22:45.12 | cardamon | karsten: I'm in the installer |
| 22:45.18 | Diopter | cardamon: Delete the partition in question, create a new one of the size you care about, change the type code to lvm (8e iirc), quit parted |
| 22:45.18 | cardamon | netinst |
| 22:45.33 | karsten | cardamon: Um: so you don't actually have any state on the system you care to save, correct? |
| 22:45.38 | cardamon | I think I know what to do now. |
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| 22:45.52 | karsten | cardamon: Re-visiting the disk partitioning step, or simply starting over, may well be your fasted solution. |
| 22:46.21 | Diopter | cardamon: pvcreate /dev/<part>, vgcreate <vg-name> /dev/<part>, lvcreate -n <lv-name> -L <size>G <vg-name>, or lvcreate -n <lv-name> -l 100%FREE <vg-name> |
| 22:46.39 | cardamon | Diopter: It doesn't look like it's mounted. |
| 22:46.40 | Diopter | cardamon: The latter of which being very useful to fill the rest of the space in the volume-group, and an option not available from the installer |
| 22:47.19 | Diopter | cardamon: Cool. Well follow the rest of my instructions in order. I think I covered all the bases, and if not, these fine folks can assist. Good luck :) |
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| 22:47.44 | Diopter | cardamon: Once you've got it setup, go back to "partition disks" in the installer menu, choose manual, and go setup filesystems/mount points for your new logical volumes |
| 22:47.53 | Diopter | Later |
| 22:47.58 | cardamon | later and thanks |
| 22:49.46 | streuner_ | dpkg, Diopter++ |
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| 22:50.50 | woshty | how do i properly start a program for a specific user after login instead of the wm? .xinitrc does not seem to work in wheezy. |
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| 22:51.25 | streuner_ | woshty: what kind of WM do you use? |
| 22:51.38 | cardamon | Ugh. I tried what Diopter said: checked that /target wasn't mounted. Then the vgchange -a n command, after which it says none are active in the volume group. but it still will not let change the lvm partition. "In use by LVM volume group yggdrasil-vg" |
| 22:52.24 | cardamon | woshty: .xinitrc works fine in wheezy. The issue is if your login manager or whatever even checks it. |
| 22:52.25 | woshty | streuner_: xfce, but i do not want to start that, just xbmc |
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| 22:52.41 | woshty | cardamon: login manager is wdm |
| 22:52.44 | cardamon | GDM does not, afaik. Not without telling it to. |
| 22:52.50 | cardamon | Unfamiliar. |
| 22:52.50 | modard | hello, I'm installing debian sid using mini.iso |
| 22:53.03 | modard | it throws out error during "base system installation" |
| 22:53.12 | streuner_ | woshty: iam using .xsession, and it adds gkrellm for example |
| 22:53.23 | modard | in log it shows that libept1 is to be configured, but needs libapt-pkg4.10 |
| 22:53.25 | modard | which is not installed |
| 22:53.41 | modard | ...and should be "provided" by apt packages, but somehow isn't |
| 22:53.51 | cardamon | I use slim and .xsession to run another script that has my programs. |
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| 22:53.54 | modard | apt package* |
| 22:54.17 | woshty | cardamon: but in addition to the wm, not replacing it, right? |
| 22:54.26 | cardamon | woshty: indeed. |
| 22:54.43 | cardamon | but I don't have access so I can't show you how I do it. |
| 22:54.52 | modard | to clarify further, dpkg -l shows "apt" as installed |
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| 22:55.54 | streuner_ | woshty: XFCE is similar to GNOME, there should be an entry about to add an app. to start |
| 22:56.30 | streuner_ | woshty: otherwise i would use .xsession |
| 22:56.30 | woshty | streuner_: yes, but then i still have xfce running in the background .. i do not want that |
| 22:57.22 | streuner_ | Do you use XFCE or not? |
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| 22:57.54 | modard | after further research, libept1 is obsolete |
| 22:58.01 | woshty | streuner_: i use xfce for my main account, now i want to have an additional account that just start the media center application and nothing else |
| 22:58.03 | modard | replaced by libept1.4.12 |
| 22:58.08 | modard | it still wants to be installed though |
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| 22:59.30 | craigevil | modard, if libept1 is still installed remove it and install libept1.4.12 |
| 22:59.35 | modard | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00378.html - this seems to be current workaround |
| 22:59.57 | modard | craigevil: it's during debian-installer "base system installation", I cannot just remove it |
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| 23:00.04 | streuner_ | woshty: what brings us to the main issue, what the hell is media center application? |
| 23:00.04 | modard | it installs both right now, but one has broken dependencies |
| 23:00.23 | modard | does /etc/debootstrap/config function on debian installer mini.iso? |
| 23:00.39 | woshty | streuner_: i want to use xbmc, there are others ofc |
| 23:00.50 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:00.54 | streuner_ | dpkg, xbmc |
| 23:00.54 | dpkg | XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application, packaged for Debian Wheezy. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:01.12 | modard | or any other way to pass parameter to debootstrap as used by debian installer? |
| 23:01.24 | modard | --exclude should do it, per this link |
| 23:01.39 | cardamon | Can someone help me with the installer? I accidentally let it set up a LVM across my entire disk, and that is not what I want. I need to partition off some space for another system. the partition maker in the installer will not let me make any changes to the partition the lvm is on. I tried vgchange -a n then went back to Partition Disks, but it still tells me that the lvm partition can't be changed because it's being used by the |
| 23:02.11 | streuner_ | woshty: well, many people have no experiences about, IMO |
| 23:02.39 | streuner_ | woshty: so just ask what the bot recommended you |
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| 23:03.25 | woshty | streuner_: hmm, does .xsessionrc replace the standard X startup process? Basically xmbc handles like a wm, how would i start a different wm on a per user basis? |
| 23:05.19 | woshty | ah, there seems to be a difference between .xsession and .xsessionrc |
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| 23:05.58 | streuner_ | nah |
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| 23:06.25 | streuner_ | usually .xsession and .xinitrc work similar |
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| 23:06.36 | streuner_ | just ask in #xbmc |
| 23:06.41 | cardamon | What if I try vgremove to get rid of the volume group? |
| 23:06.43 | woden | How do I make a bootable thumb drive out of the debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 23:06.50 | woshty | streuner_: ok, thx |
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| 23:13.20 | modard | woden: copy ISO contents (all files) to this thumbdrive, rename isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg |
| 23:13.32 | modard | then execute syslinux -i /dev/sdb1 (example - your thumb drive) |
| 23:13.58 | dvs | huh? |
| 23:14.21 | dvs | woden: or "cat debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb" |
| 23:14.34 | modard | or dd |
| 23:14.54 | modard | but it destroys existing partitions and data |
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| 23:15.09 | dvs | he's gone now |
| 23:15.10 | modard | i always try to avoid it |
| 23:15.13 | modard | oops |
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| 23:22.28 | modard | how can I add command line argument to debootstrap ran by debian-installer? |
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| 23:28.23 | somiaj | modard: you could ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (they may know about the installer). Though I didn't think the installer used debootstrap, I thought it did its own thing to extract and copy over the base system. |
| 23:29.32 | somiaj | hmm, guess it is a part of the debian installer. (: |
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| 23:30.31 | modard | somiaj: it runs it, ps shows it running |
| 23:30.38 | modard | (with --debian-installer argument) |
| 23:30.43 | modard | I'll ask there, thanks |
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| 23:32.34 | modard | somiaj: it's netinstall (mini.iso) |
| 23:32.49 | modard | otherwise I guess that there wouldn't be debootstrap in use, yes |
| 23:33.46 | somiaj | the netinstaller still has the base system on the cd |
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| 23:33.59 | somiaj | its only the business card installer that has to get the base system from the internet |
| 23:34.25 | somiaj | it is probabaly just using the archive on the cd (as opposed to using wget) to fetch the base files |
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| 23:36.30 | SawtoothJL | allo |
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| 23:37.38 | modard | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00378.html |
| 23:37.40 | modard | oops |
| 23:37.50 | modard | well, it's still relevant |
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| 23:39.23 | kallisti | is there a way to tell apt-get to excluse packages during an upgrade? |
| 23:39.28 | kallisti | *exclude |
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| 23:39.56 | streuner_ | !+tell kallisti -about hold |
| 23:39.57 | dpkg | told kallisti about hold. |
| 23:40.36 | kallisti | thanks |
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| 23:45.06 | kallisti | how would I go about getting a deb for an existing package on my system |
| 23:45.11 | kallisti | (not from the repo itself) |
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| 23:45.36 | kallisti | I made my own patch as a workaround but I think I deleted the .deb file |
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| 23:48.25 | tensorpudding | apt-get source |
| 23:48.46 | tensorpudding | or wait, you want a binary package |
| 23:48.52 | tensorpudding | there might be a fetch option somewhere |
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| 23:49.47 | modard | aptitude download |
| 23:49.57 | divbell | did you look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ already? |
| 23:50.44 | blackshirt | kallisti : what you mean ? |
| 23:51.59 | blackshirt | kallisti : you can use dpkg-repack package for get .deb package from your sistem |
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