| 00:00.18 | JJJustyn | I have read here: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/monthly-builds/README " Note: Currently, we build images for squeeze (aka "stable"), wheezy (aka "testing"), and sid (aka "unstable"). " |
| 00:00.59 | JJJustyn | from this should I understand that there exist wheezy / testing Live CD / Dvd? |
| 00:01.48 | JJJustyn | I would like to download debian testing live cd/dvd if there is such thing, but I get |
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| 00:02.01 | JJJustyn | confused |
| 00:02.57 | dvs | JJJustyn: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 00:03.18 | Some_Person | Those aren't live builds |
| 00:03.26 | dvs | OH live |
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| 00:04.10 | Some_Person | JJJustyn: Usually there should be builds in those directories, but for some reason they're empty |
| 00:04.11 | dvs | I've never seen a live testing ISO |
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| 00:04.56 | JJJustyn | I guess that isn't any live build |
| 00:05.09 | JJJustyn | for testing |
| 00:05.15 | JJJustyn | thx |
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| 00:06.00 | kallisti | well restarting X isn't helping my emacs rendering problem. |
| 00:07.47 | kallisti | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/2012-05-10_20-05-00_1366x768.png here's what happens when I scroll around in emacs. I wasn't having any problems until today. I'm running xmonad on Debian testing. |
| 00:08.00 | kallisti | I was told by someone in #xmonad that it could be a problem with cairo? but they weren't too specific. |
| 00:08.51 | tensorpudding_ | whoa that's some ugly there |
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| 00:09.18 | kallisti | when I resize the window or move workspaces and come back it redraws correctly |
| 00:09.27 | kallisti | but until then all the old frames linger around |
| 00:09.31 | tensorpudding_ | sounds like it could be a debian update that broke something |
| 00:09.34 | kallisti | which led me to believe it was a problem with either X or my window manager. |
| 00:09.57 | tensorpudding_ | does it persist when you log out and back in |
| 00:10.07 | kallisti | restarting X did not help. |
| 00:10.13 | kallisti | which involves logging out and in |
| 00:10.35 | kallisti | I also cleared my font cache |
| 00:10.46 | kallisti | after restarting X, I haven't restarted since then |
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| 00:12.34 | kallisti | so I did the echo package hold | dpkg --set-selections thing |
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| 00:12.57 | kallisti | but when I go to upgrade the package is still listed.. oh wait it's probably in the "held back" section of the output. nevermind |
| 00:13.02 | kallisti | I was doing a grep to see if it was still present |
| 00:13.20 | kallisti | yep. nevermind. |
| 00:13.32 | kallisti | I'm going to try upgrading everything and seeing if that helps. |
| 00:15.17 | tensorpudding_ | i recommend not using testing |
| 00:16.25 | kallisti | tensorpudding_: it's been pretty stable so far, until now. |
| 00:16.56 | tensorpudding | it usually is |
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| 00:17.03 | tensorpudding | but it can change suddenly |
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| 00:34.00 | kallisti | so a system-wide upgrading certainly didn't help |
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| 01:32.04 | freebird | you guys, why does debian loads cron and anacron ? |
| 01:33.54 | freebird | can I remove one of them without problems ? I'm not using anyone of them as far as I know, I know cron cleans some logs, but anacron ? |
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| 01:34.42 | dvs | freebird: anacron runs the jobs that weren't run when your computer was off. |
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| 01:37.01 | freebird | I see, |
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| 01:40.35 | Blue1 | having some issues with debian and a wifi dongle. It works absolutely peachy with ubuntu, but not with debian. expecting a 192 address but instead, it's assigning a 10. address which of course means DNS doesn't work. what should I be looking for? |
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| 01:41.44 | gnarface | Blue1: maybe missing firmware. check your /etc/apt/sources.list for non-free and contrib. |
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| 01:41.59 | dvs | for a wrong address? |
| 01:42.05 | gnarface | shrug |
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| 01:42.34 | Blue1 | gnarface: that makes no sense for a wrong address. |
| 01:42.42 | spersaud_ | how would I write a rule to allow connections from the localhost to a specific port ? |
| 01:43.10 | spersaud_ | I have uwsgi running on 3031 and want nginx to connect to it as well .. but dont want to allow connections from anyone else |
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| 01:46.13 | dvs | spersaud_: Do you have iptables already setup? |
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| 01:46.54 | spersaud_ | dvs yes |
| 01:47.02 | spersaud_ | -s option correct ? |
| 01:48.01 | Blue1 | gnarface: ez fix: sudo ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.111 up |
| 01:49.09 | gnarface | Blue1: your /etc/network/interfaces file shoud be able to do that for you automatically |
| 01:49.25 | gnarface | Blue1: sometimes network-manager cock-blocks it though |
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| 01:49.48 | dvs | spersaud_: Yeah, that's right |
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| 01:51.06 | Blue1 | gnarface: indeed I will install wicd -- network mangler does what it says: http://pkill-9.com/making-ubuntudebian-linux-do-its-own-dns-domain-name-service/ |
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| 01:52.25 | spersaud_ | dvs: what is the significance of --state NEW ? |
| 01:52.44 | spersaud_ | the rules I am currently using doesnt have that option for ports 80 and 443, http and https |
| 01:52.56 | spersaud_ | I see its not set for port 22 .. ssh |
| 01:53.08 | dvs | spersaud_: it's for establishing a new connection |
| 01:53.14 | spersaud_ | rather its set for 22 |
| 01:53.46 | spersaud_ | oh I see connections always have to be new ... |
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| 01:57.36 | freebird | dvs, just curious, why wont cron also do that ? |
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| 02:23.47 | k-man | i have a job that runs from cron, i run it using the "time myslowcommand" so that i can see how long it takes to run, but when i receive the email from cron, the output is all run together on one line, rather than seperate lines how it would appear on the command line |
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| 02:30.04 | k-man | the output looks like this: http://pastie.org/3892902 |
| 02:30.52 | gnarface | k-man: is the email client in question on windows? |
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| 02:31.38 | k-man | gnarface, oh yes - its thunderbird |
| 02:31.48 | k-man | it could be cr/lf issue i guess |
| 02:31.59 | gnarface | only a guess |
| 02:32.17 | k-man | gnarface, i'm checking now |
| 02:32.34 | gnarface | though if any windows email client was well behaved i'd assume thunderbird to be it... firefox can see unix line breaks just fine |
| 02:32.45 | gnarface | that's no guarantee though |
| 02:32.52 | k-man | gnarface, well, it appears the same in mutt on my debian box |
| 02:33.20 | gnarface | paste me the crontab? |
| 02:33.35 | gnarface | er, bastebin |
| 02:33.40 | gnarface | pastebin i mean |
| 02:33.56 | k-man | http://pastie.org/3892930 |
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| 02:34.27 | k-man | gnarface, which shell would cron be running it under? i should probably specify /usr/bin/time to ensure its using the real time rather than bash's time command maybe? |
| 02:34.36 | gnarface | oh, so cron isn't actually sending the mail? you're doing that from within the script? |
| 02:34.53 | k-man | gnarface, no, cron is sending the email |
| 02:35.08 | k-man | or rather i have cron configured just to email the output of cron commands to myself |
| 02:35.15 | k-man | i think thats the default behaviour iirc |
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| 02:35.35 | gnarface | i got nothing |
| 02:35.46 | gnarface | i'd say try running that script and dumping the text to a file |
| 02:35.46 | k-man | what do you mean? |
| 02:35.55 | gnarface | then open that file with firefox |
| 02:36.01 | gnarface | (in windows) |
| 02:36.06 | k-man | gnarface, ok, ill try that |
| 02:36.27 | k-man | i think somehow the output is being stripped of cr/lf |
| 02:36.29 | k-man | or cr |
| 02:36.41 | gnarface | well its the only explanation left |
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| 02:36.59 | gnarface | line breaks are clearly being mangled one way or another |
| 02:37.02 | gnarface | and its not at the client end |
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| 02:37.05 | gnarface | so maybe its in the script |
| 02:37.41 | k-man | ah - time outputs on stderr i think rather than stdout |
| 02:37.45 | k-man | maybe thats a clue? |
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| 02:38.23 | gnarface | uh.. mayb |
| 02:38.38 | gnarface | maybe but you can dump stderr and stdout to the same text file with a single command |
| 02:39.41 | k-man | gnarface, i'll try just redirecting stderr to stdout first |
| 02:39.43 | k-man | see how that goes |
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| 02:47.37 | gnarface | k-man: could have something to do with time's behavior more than your script's behavior too i suppose |
| 02:49.07 | k-man | yeah |
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| 02:52.07 | Unresolved | Chapter 3 Digital COmic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCqwVYuPZu8 |
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| 03:07.13 | FlyingFoX | there was a way to change the standard version of binaries (i.e. ruby1.8 and ruby1.9), but i always forget how this is done and i seem to not be able to google it :( |
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| 03:08.53 | nvz | !alternatives |
| 03:08.54 | dpkg | somebody said alternatives was the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
| 03:09.07 | nvz | !update-alternatives |
| 03:09.07 | dpkg | update-alternatives is a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system. The galternatives package provides a graphical front-end. |
| 03:09.12 | nvz | FlyingFoX: ^^ |
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| 03:09.40 | FlyingFoX | yes thats what i was searching :) thx |
| 03:12.03 | nvz | FlyingFoX: apropos is for when you don't even know what you need help with btw |
| 03:12.40 | craigevil | also kalternatives for kde :) |
| 03:14.32 | FlyingFoX | nvz: i have used that already, but i never get the right keywords for this alternatives thing ^^ |
| 03:14.46 | nvz | kde is a myth... its like a french fry stretcher... nobody ever actually uses it, we just tell the new guy about it to get a laugh |
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| 03:18.15 | FlyingFoX | nvz: i use kde, and i like it a lot. |
| 03:19.13 | pepperoni | i'm looking to install a library on a debian machine which I can't find in a packet, its OpenGL ES |
| 03:19.22 | pepperoni | s/packet/package |
| 03:19.57 | pepperoni | anyone happen to know in what package that might be? |
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| 03:21.59 | boudiccas | pepperoni: apt-cache show migh th ave it |
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| 03:22.06 | boudiccas | might have |
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| 03:23.50 | pepperoni | boudiccas: i used apt-cache search to look and couldnt' find anything |
| 03:24.01 | boudiccas | fair enough |
| 03:24.30 | boudiccas | ,versions opengl |
| 03:24.30 | judd | No package named 'opengl' was found in i386. |
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| 03:24.54 | boudiccas | ,versions OpenGL* |
| 03:24.55 | judd | No package named 'OpenGL*' was found in i386. |
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| 03:27.30 | boudiccas | pepperoni: what version of denian are you running? |
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| 03:27.36 | boudiccas | debian |
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| 03:28.39 | boudiccas | ah right |
| 03:28.51 | pepperoni | though i don't have access to it now, but its a problem i'm wresting w/ at work |
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| 03:31.55 | adrakoa | renas |
| 03:31.57 | craigevil | install the correct video driver and it should pull in opengl if the driver supports 3d |
| 03:33.13 | pepperoni | craigevil: k, i'll check that then |
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| 03:44.40 | alexandro27 | hola |
| 03:44.48 | alexandro27 | hablan espaƱol por aqui |
| 03:45.04 | craigevil | is the kernel.org mirror safe to use or is it stull fubar? |
| 03:45.06 | craigevil | !es |
| 03:45.06 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 04:08.13 | spongetims | Hello, I use debian testing and and updaten and then a upgrade. I got the following message: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
| 04:08.47 | spongetims | Can somebody explain me what means '3 not upgraded'. Is something wrong with my system? |
| 04:09.05 | somiaj | spongetims: apt-get upgrade will only upgrade packages that will not remove or add new packages |
| 04:09.29 | somiaj | spongetims: you need dist-upgrade if an upgrade requires adding/removing packages. Or those packages are on hold is another possibility |
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| 04:11.34 | spongetims | somiaj: Is your suggestion to make a dist-upgrade? I thought dist-upgrade will switch from testing to unstable |
| 04:12.51 | bardzusny | spongetims: only if you have unstable in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:12.55 | somiaj | read the man page on apt-get |
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| 04:13.04 | somiaj | dist-upgrade differs from upgrade as I described above |
| 04:13.24 | somiaj | in a stable system upgrades should not require new packages added/removed, but in a testing/unstable system this is common |
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| 04:13.54 | spongetims | okay thanks |
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| 04:18.01 | spongetims | I have also another question. I'm using Chromium and it gets increadble slow in the last days. Also after reboot. I only made a system upgrade. Does anybody made the same experience? |
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| 04:21.22 | ectospasm | spongetims: I've noticed that Chrome/Chromium consumes a LOT of memory. |
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| 04:21.46 | somiaj | chromium is a memory hog. You could check the bts to see if other peoples have other issues. If you could track down the issue you could report a bug |
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| 04:22.00 | somiaj | I wouldn't just report a 'is slow' bug though, have some idea what is the culprit |
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| 04:23.38 | spongetims | mmmh |
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| 04:36.14 | uglyoldbob | what do i need to get tv-out on an epia 5000 with debian 6.04 ? |
| 04:36.23 | uglyoldbob | im using xfce |
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| 05:09.43 | uglyoldbob | does the trident driver in debian support tv-out on the epia-5000? |
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| 05:16.45 | me-1 | hi..I have just installed Debian KDE and cant be a superuser ...paste.debian.net/168267 |
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| 05:17.58 | ectospasm | me-1: your user isn't in the sudoers file. Do you know the root password? If so use "su -" instead of "sudo" |
| 05:18.12 | redsoup | he did |
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| 05:18.34 | me-1 | ectospasm, I am using root password |
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| 05:18.41 | redsoup | me-1, maybe you can boot single user and see if you can at least edit sudoers file. |
| 05:18.45 | ectospasm | me-1: then only do su - |
| 05:18.59 | ectospasm | ...sudo is asking for "asif"'s password |
| 05:19.16 | ectospasm | ...but it says you're not in the sudoers file |
| 05:19.18 | me-1 | i know the password |
| 05:19.54 | me-1 | asif@debian:~$ su - |
| 05:19.54 | me-1 | su: must be suid to work properly |
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| 05:20.37 | ectospasm | hmmm... boot into single user mode, fix su, and visudo, add yourself to sudoers. |
| 05:21.09 | me-1 | ectospasm, I am a new user how do i do that |
| 05:21.18 | redsoup | me-1, also check chmod on those files. |
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| 05:22.59 | ectospasm | redsoup: he can't change them without root access |
| 05:23.08 | acx0 | does this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae mean that the current kernel version for sid is 3.2.16 and not 3.2.0 as the package name implies? |
| 05:23.35 | redsoup | ectospasm, yeah, that's why I asked him to boot single user first. |
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| 05:24.00 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell me-1 about single user mode |
| 05:25.13 | me-1 | ectospasm, ok i am trying that |
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| 05:30.09 | axo | im trying to run java programs from the command line .bashrc is http://pastebin.com/r83JFS0Z how do I change this so it will work? |
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| 05:32.03 | acx0 | axo: how are you trying to run the programs? I just do 'java Class' to run the class/program |
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| 05:36.18 | axo | lol just realized that you don't need to put ".class" on tha end of the file |
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| 05:53.15 | Mohsen_Hassani | My Xen VPS has a 128 MB of Swap. I want to increase it. How can I do that? |
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| 05:55.16 | ectospasm | Mohsen_Hassani: you can create a swap file, or if you have free partition space on the VM HDD, create a new swap partition. |
| 05:55.30 | ectospasm | ...swapon after that |
| 05:55.40 | ectospasm | swapfile will probably be easier. |
| 05:56.06 | ectospasm | dd if=/dev/zero of=myswap && swapon myswap |
| 05:56.12 | ectospasm | ...or something like that |
| 05:56.20 | ectospasm | look it up before running it, I may be wrong |
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| 05:56.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | ectospasm, do we have such a command? lvm? |
| 05:57.00 | Mohsen_Hassani | ectospasm, I found it in a website |
| 05:58.06 | ectospasm | Mohsen_Hassani: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ |
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| 05:58.34 | ectospasm | I highly recommend *NixCraft, excellent collection of articles |
| 05:58.53 | ectospasm | and with that, I'm heading to bed. |
| 05:59.02 | Mohsen_Hassani | ectospasm, thanks :) |
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| 05:59.28 | babycapsule | tosses a pink pill into ectospasm's mouth |
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| 06:02.44 | paerca | I need help. when i shoot down my pc it restarts instead. It is a core I3 |
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| 06:04.22 | uglyoldbob | umm... my computer stops working when i shoot it? |
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| 06:05.17 | starkz | Hello, does somebody knows what i have to do, if i am trying to run a daemon, but when i am trying to run the daemon, i am getting this kind of error: http://pastebin.com/Y8Z8Tunf <- somebody knows what i have to do ? |
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| 06:06.30 | starkz | Does somebody knows how to install the module "_psutil_posix" ? |
| 06:07.54 | paerca | uglioldbob I mean when i try to shoot it down(system/shoot down) |
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| 06:11.36 | starkz | http://pastebin.com/Y8Z8Tunf |
| 06:11.43 | starkz | Somebody knows how to install this module http://pastebin.com/Y8Z8Tunf <- |
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| 06:17.55 | starkz | Someone know how to fix or install this kind of module http://pastebin.com/Y8Z8Tunf <--- please :-) |
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| 06:21.02 | craigevil | starkz, apt-get install python-psutil |
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| 06:26.07 | starkz | craigevil: I already have that package installed. |
| 06:26.13 | starkz | But i am still getting that error. :-\ |
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| 06:29.23 | craigevil | python-psutil: /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/_psutil_posix.so |
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| 06:31.02 | starkz | craigevil: Yep, the file is also located there. |
| 06:31.12 | starkz | Do you think i have to restart the server or something? :s |
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| 06:34.16 | uglyoldbob | my debian has the repositories all set to the disc i installed from, how do i change it to get packages from the internet? |
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| 06:35.18 | tralala | uglyoldbob, go to debian.org and find the mirrors page |
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| 06:37.44 | uglyoldbob | this one http://www.debian.org/mirror/ doesn't seem to offer the kind of help i am looking for |
| 06:38.13 | craigevil | !sources |
| 06:38.13 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 06:40.52 | fleeky | when you have a lvm partition/volume and you want to change the format of a partition inside of it from ext3 to ext4 , is it still best to use mke2fs |
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| 06:42.40 | ChrisH | fleeky: Is that a question or a statement? (? or . missing at the end of the sentence) |
| 06:43.05 | uglyoldbob | dpkg : thanks |
| 06:43.05 | dpkg | de rien, uglyoldbob |
| 06:43.12 | fleeky | question ChrisH |
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| 06:43.49 | fleeky | i havent used debian in a while so lvm management is a bit new to me |
| 06:44.04 | fleeky | looking for tips, its a bit confusing atm |
| 06:44.34 | ChrisH | From my understanding mkfs will delete the data on the Filesystem. So you miht want to use tune2fs to add the journal. Filesystem work is the same on a partition or a LV. |
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| 06:45.14 | fleeky | dont mind destroying data on this one |
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| 06:45.34 | fleeky | so i guess it doesnt matter which one i use ? ill check out tune2fs thanks |
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| 06:45.44 | fleeky | as in dealing with the partition or lv |
| 06:45.46 | Lns | fleeky, lvm is good for image backups and storage expansion. |
| 06:46.16 | Lns | oh didn't see your earlier comment =p |
| 06:46.21 | fleeky | Lns, yes im mostly just trying not to break it :) |
| 06:46.49 | Lns | it was weird for me at first, its good that you don't need to keep your data |
| 06:46.50 | ChrisH | fleeky: man mkfs.ext4 shows the mke2fs man page. |
| 06:46.56 | Lns | i had to convert my existing system to it live |
| 06:47.39 | ChrisH | LVM is usefull anywhere. Only in throw away test installation inside virtual system I do not use LVM. |
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| 06:54.26 | fleeky | ok one more question, when i try to directly mount the partition inside of the lv i get odd problems with wrong mount type , if i try auto it has some weird FAT errors , mounting with the lv is fine however.. what im wondering is. will formatting the actual partition break any of the lv stuff ? |
| 06:54.39 | fleeky | possibly a dumb question, but i am feeling pretty dumb atm |
| 06:55.35 | fleeky | as in mounting /dev/sdb2 errors , /dev/mapper/lv_name is fine though |
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| 06:59.37 | jelly-home | fleeky: if a partition is used as a lvm physical volume, you don't use it manually at all |
| 06:59.52 | fleeky | ok so i have to format the lvm |
| 06:59.54 | fleeky | ? |
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| 07:00.22 | jelly-home | use logical volumes instead, yes |
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| 07:00.43 | fleeky | ok thanks |
| 07:01.08 | jelly-home | fleeky: make sure you understand how lvm is designed |
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| 07:01.30 | fleeky | yes i figure i should just read up more on lvm in that case |
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| 07:02.23 | krion | hi guys |
| 07:02.27 | jelly-home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 well even wikipedia has a picture |
| 07:02.41 | krion | i try to build openjdk-7-jre package on a testing environnement |
| 07:03.16 | krion | apt-get -b source failed claiming undefined reference to g_thread_init, do you think i should filled a bug report ? |
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| 07:10.43 | fleeky | reading a bit through lvm i see theres no real mention of reformatting a partition to a different filesystem type |
| 07:11.21 | fleeky | and reading through mk2fs i see no real mention of lvm anywhere and it deals strictly with stuff in /dev/ and doesnt mention how these two can work without causing fights |
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| 07:14.00 | fleeky | seems like just straight up formatting the partition would be a bad idea |
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| 07:14.21 | fleeky | anyone have experience reformatting a partition of an existing lv without breaking the lv ? |
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| 07:16.41 | jelly-home | fleeky: that does not make sense. Either you use a partition as a PV, or you use it directly (eg. to put a filesystem on it). |
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| 07:18.00 | raboof | some application appears to be 'spontaneously' started. I'm not sure what triggers it (as I don't immediately notice, it's xfce4-notifyd). What would be the easy way to find out what's going on? it's not under anything in 'ps faux' |
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| 07:18.30 | jelly-home | fleeky: what are you refering to with "partition"? Can you pastebin the output of "pvs" and "lvs" |
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| 07:18.56 | jelly-home | raboof: that desktop environment stuff is typically started when you log in to X. |
| 07:18.57 | sturles | I use pam_mkhomedir to create home directories for users at first login. But I also need to personalize the home directories a bit. Replace dummy strings with usernames here and there. Is there a recommended way to do this? |
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| 07:20.25 | raboof | jelly-home: iirc it wasn't there after a fresh boot, and eventually reappears when i kill it |
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| 07:21.06 | Lns | sturles, is there no way you can use variables instead? |
| 07:21.32 | Lns | (such as $USER) |
| 07:21.52 | jelly-home | raboof: well, if its PPID isn't 1, you know what started it |
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| 07:25.54 | raboof | jelly-home: i'll check when it reappears (just killed it again) - though I fear 'ps faux' bases its hierarchy on ppid, so that'd suggest it's either '1' (or a pid of a process that has terminated, not sure if that's possible) |
| 07:25.56 | ChrisH | fleeky: I am still trying to understand your Question. The way is Disk -> partition -> PV -> VG -> LV -> Filesystem... The mkfs /dev/vg00/lv1 |
| 07:27.21 | fleeky | really the filesystem is that far 'back' ? |
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| 07:27.41 | fleeky | so you do indeed format the lv and not the partition? just seems so odd since the lv is essentially just metadata ? |
| 07:27.57 | jelly-home | fleeky: LV is the block device you use. |
| 07:28.34 | jelly-home | the disk is in the back. LV is front |
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| 07:31.30 | nevyn | fleeky: don't format the partition |
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| 07:33.26 | jackiechan0 | i just installed this package network-manager-pptp-gnome how can i start the GUI from the CLI ? |
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| 07:37.16 | pbase | how do i change the date formats in the inbox list in icedove .. currently the format is like thursday 10 may 2012 12:12:00 . my desired format is mm/dd/yyyy |
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| 07:38.23 | negge | guys I need some help. My load average is suddenly ~15 for no apparent reason. Top is telling my this about my CPU: Cpu(s): 2.2%us, 6.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 3.4%id, 87.1%wa, 0.1%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st. How come it's waiting that much when there's clearly cycles available? |
| 07:38.41 | ChrisH | negge: outstanding IO |
| 07:39.11 | negge | ChrisH: I ran dstat but it's less than 10MB |
| 07:39.31 | nevyn | I thought stuff had to be runnable to count in load. |
| 07:39.59 | ChrisH | ngochai: 87.1%wa <-- that causes the load value |
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| 07:46.51 | negge | iotop showed me the culprit was swap |
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| 07:47.08 | negge | guess htop sucks at displaying memory usage (it showed 2700/4000 with 300/2000 on swap) |
| 07:47.13 | negge | how useless is that? |
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| 07:49.27 | ChrisH | negge: You could pastebin top -n 1 ; free -m ; cat /proc/swaps somewhere. |
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| 07:49.42 | raboof | negge: htop doesn't show buffers/cache |
| 07:50.26 | fleeky | thanks, formatting the lv didnt blow up and seems to work just fine. |
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| 07:50.53 | negge | ChrisH: I'm gonna write that up. The load is at 0.7 now after shutting down a virtual machine that had a little too much RAM provisioned to it |
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| 07:51.48 | krion | having an advice on my question related to failed openjdk-7-jre package on testing, should i filled a bug report ? |
| 07:51.57 | ChrisH | negge: You might want to read about UNIX'sh memory management, its more complex than expected. |
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| 07:52.13 | raboof | negge: in the 'bar', the blue is buffers and the yellow/brown is cache - do you remember which was taking up the remainder of your memory? |
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| 07:53.23 | raboof | is it true cache can be reclaimed when memory is low (it's cache after all), but buffers cannot? |
| 07:53.56 | negge | raboof: I'm sorry I don't remember. All I remember was the value 2700/4000 (it has 4GB) of RAM. I don't know why it's swapping if the RAM isn't full? |
| 07:53.56 | raboof | i guess a more interesting number would be to show (application memory + buffers) and cache, instead of application memory and (buffers + cache) |
| 07:54.02 | negge | surely I'm reading this thing wrong |
| 07:54.29 | raboof | negge: the 2700 means 2700 was used by applications - but the kernel also needs memory for buffers and cache |
| 07:54.52 | negge | I see |
| 07:55.11 | raboof | negge: i think the cache can be sacrificed when memory is low, but the buffers probably can't, which might force the kernel to swap anyway |
| 07:55.54 | raboof | in theory you could think of a situation where swapping out a little-used application in favour of some more cache is also a performance win, though i'd say that might be rare |
| 07:56.38 | negge | well, the computer almost grinded to a halt (took me some time to log in and run top) so it surely didn't do any good in this case :) |
| 07:57.20 | raboof | yeah, that's why i was curious if memory was really filled up with (applications+buffers) or of there was still some cache there |
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| 07:58.00 | ChrisH | raboof,negge Please differ between swapping and paging. Swapping is moving a process to the disk, whereas paging mean some memory pages are moved to Disk. A swapping System is quite unusable. Paging is normal and requires still the _existance_ of about the same amount of swapspace are RAM is there. |
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| 07:58.49 | raboof | are buffers 'owned' by processes? if there's a lot of memory in use by buffers, is it possible to find out their origin? |
| 07:59.21 | ChrisH | Memory Management is donw ny Kernel hmself. |
| 07:59.29 | negge | ChrisH: I think in this case the problem was really "swapping" |
| 07:59.37 | negge | how else could the load average me approaching 20? |
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| 07:59.53 | negge | iotop showed kswapd was responsible for 99% if I/O :D |
| 07:59.55 | ChrisH | negge: still the same answer: outstanding io |
| 08:00.05 | negge | ChrisH: yes, it seems you were right |
| 08:00.14 | negge | next time I'll run iotop before running top |
| 08:00.21 | raboof | ChrisH: of course MM is done by the kernel. still it could be that the buffers are related to processes right? |
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| 08:01.38 | ChrisH | negge: eg. a mailserver with 50000Mails per day is expected to have a high load, because each incoming and each outgoing mail transfer connection causes one process to be blocked on io and increase the load. |
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| 08:03.03 | negge | yes |
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| 08:04.43 | raboof | load is defined as the number of processes in 'runnable or uninterruptable' state. So processes blocked by i/o are 'uninterruptable'? |
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| 08:06.20 | ChrisH | raboof: Yes, if they are so-called short sleepers. Not all processes waiting for io are uninterruptable, eg if a process waits using a select it sleeps longer :) and does not impact the load figure |
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| 08:10.40 | ptrkmj | what medium (netinst cd, cd, dvd) i should use so that during installation of base system i don't need internet conncetion. |
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| 08:12.17 | ChrisH | ptrkmj: DVD |
| 08:13.12 | ptrkmj | ChrisH: so the so called "base system" (default install) is so large that it doesn't fit on a single cd? |
| 08:13.51 | babycapsule | i prefer to use only a tarball - debootstrap |
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| 08:14.42 | ptrkmj | babycapsule: tarball with the base system? you download and install it manually? |
| 08:14.51 | ChrisH | ptrkmj: depending on what you define a "base system" :) |
| 08:15.18 | babycapsule | ptrkmj, you may control more details |
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| 08:15.40 | tralala | ptrkmj, the base system fits on the netinst cd |
| 08:15.49 | babycapsule | debootstrap is the for-binary version of gentoo portage |
| 08:15.49 | ptrkmj | ChrisH: i define a base system as the system installed by default (without tasks) |
| 08:16.21 | tralala | in debian the base system is the bare minimum of packages needed for operation |
| 08:16.42 | tralala | ~300 megs installed size |
| 08:16.42 | apt | ACTION throws megs installed size down a well for making yet another 300 joke. |
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| 08:18.15 | ptrkmj | tralala: according to installation guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-base during install of a base system internet conncetion is needed. It implies that it doesn't fit on netinst cd/normal cd. |
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| 08:21.17 | ptrkmj | "Although this stage is the least problematic, it consumes a significant fraction of the install because it downloads, verifies and unpacks the whole base system." |
| 08:21.20 | tralala | ptrkmj, that's badly written or at least it confuses me. |
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| 08:22.09 | tralala | ptrkmj, in any case you can do a base install with the netinst cd _without_ network connection. |
| 08:22.38 | ptrkmj | so normal cd/dvd is only needed for 'tasks'? |
| 08:22.45 | tralala | yes |
| 08:23.49 | tralala | a base install however is only barely useful. |
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| 08:24.23 | ptrkmj | yes, but it's enough to install more, isnt't it? |
| 08:24.31 | redsoup | Heya, I'm trying to sett my essid with "iwconfig essid "my_essid"" and it goes through but 2 seconds later it resets to "off/any"... any clue?.. |
| 08:24.44 | tralala | sure, provided you have access to packages |
| 08:25.18 | ptrkmj | does netinst cd contain any tasks or solely the base system? |
| 08:25.33 | tralala | only the base system |
| 08:26.25 | ptrkmj | does the base system have provisions to run 3g mobile usb modem internet connection? |
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| 08:26.41 | tralala | redsoup, perhaps it can't join the network because of encryption. |
| 08:26.44 | ptrkmj | (so that i can install more software) |
| 08:26.49 | redsoup | I turned it off |
| 08:26.55 | redsoup | it's an open AP |
| 08:27.03 | tralala | ptrkmj, I doubt it |
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| 08:27.38 | ptrkmj | how about normal cd? |
| 08:28.10 | ptrkmj | it should have modemmanger, ppp and such |
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| 08:28.35 | tralala | ptrkmj, if i recall correctly what you need for 3g modem is pppd. |
| 08:28.39 | tralala | !cd contents |
| 08:28.39 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 08:29.06 | tralala | and here's how to find out where pppd is |
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| 08:29.16 | ptrkmj | tralala: yes, and it's included on netinst cd (ppp package) |
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| 08:30.39 | ptrkmj | tralala: i think pppd is not enough, i think modemmanager is also needed but i'm not sure if anything more |
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| 08:31.58 | tralala | I've only played with a borrowed 3g a couple of years ago (or more) so I can't remember anymore what was needed. |
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| 08:32.56 | ffrank | hi. I'm trying to build a quilt format package, but building the source package always fails. it seems the build system wants to apply my patches twice: http://pastie.org/3893903 |
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| 08:44.54 | redsoup | I managed to keep my essid now with "mode ad-hoc" but I still don't get an IP assigned :( |
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| 08:47.55 | ogzy | i want to disable the remote service discoveru for nmap at my debian server so no oos and service detection will be possible, how can i do it? |
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| 08:50.49 | ChrisH | ogzy: Iy I understood correct you want to make your system not answer to remote requests. Unplug the networkl cable! |
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| 08:52.07 | jelly | ogzy: do you need any of those services to be running at all? |
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| 09:06.02 | ffrank | ogzy, ChrisH : seriously though, instead of killing connectivity, you do want to setup a sensible firewall using iptables |
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| 09:14.13 | dragec | Hi all.I have problem while installing Squeeze on HPDL380G6 wiht Smart Array P410i controller |
| 09:14.31 | dragec | Installer just doesn't see any disks |
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| 09:15.04 | tralala | ffrank, a sensible firewall won't prevent sshd from reporting the OS |
| 09:15.33 | dragec | http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant says "Works fine, needs bnx2 firmware |
| 09:15.37 | tralala | dragec, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 09:15.45 | dragec | But bnx2 firmware is for network |
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| 09:15.54 | simonlnu | !xy problem |
| 09:15.54 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
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| 09:17.00 | ffrank | tralala: sure, the point is: if you don't want party X to identify you via SSH, don't allow them to connect to SSH. it's still better than pulling the plug ;- |
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| 09:18.21 | tralala | ffrank, since the question is about nmap I assume there's no fixed party X. |
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| 09:19.45 | ffrank | exactly. so the specific firewall would essentially need to whitelist access to all services. |
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| 09:36.04 | tralala | ffrank, which is impractical for dynamic ips |
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| 09:37.30 | ffrank | tralala: ...or the majority of use cases, yes. as ChrisH pointed out, the problem is not very practical in itself |
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| 09:40.23 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 09:44.21 | tralala | ffrank, so we're back to don't run services you don't use. And if the ones you use will give away data to nmap... tough luck. |
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| 09:44.39 | d3xter | i've got a little big problem. i'm running debian squeeze and fglrx won't work with my hd5770, i always get a segfault, when running glxinfo |
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| 09:48.28 | ladowacharpuny | how can i block kernel update in debian? |
| 09:48.50 | tralala | !hold |
| 09:48.51 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
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| 10:05.00 | vsq | could anyone help me? my debian squeeze have no sound |
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| 10:05.31 | no_gravity | Good Morning from Germany! Do you guys know these kinds of bounces "A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of itsrecipients after more than 24 hours on the queue on ...". Does this mean the other mailserver is simply down? Is there a more appropriate channel to discuss this? |
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| 10:08.01 | nsadmin | one thing that's surprisingly useful and informative (I was surprised too) is to stick the message you get onto a goole search |
| 10:08.32 | nsadmin | usually the timing is 1 day and then 5 days |
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| 10:08.57 | nsadmin | after 5 days it gives up entirely |
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| 10:10.28 | no_gravity | nsadmin: i ask because the other side says they can receive emails from others. only from one sender they cant. i asked the sender for the error and he forwarded me this "not yet delivered" mail. |
| 10:11.25 | nsadmin | do you have a mail server you installed which is involved here? |
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| 10:13.22 | no_gravity | nsadmin: no. the sending mailserver is the mailserver of hosteurope. |
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| 10:14.48 | nsadmin | not totally sure what's going on, but I have seen this situation "not delivered in last 24 hours" |
| 10:15.04 | nsadmin | no_gravity, it could mean the mail server's queue is full? |
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| 10:15.45 | no_gravity | nsadmin: the sending mail server? no, its sending mails all the time just fine. the problem with that one receiver exists for weeks now. |
| 10:15.50 | nsadmin | it could also mean the mail server is not trusting the sender |
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| 10:17.44 | no_gravity | nsadmin: shouldnt it throw some error then? |
| 10:18.40 | nsadmin | I would say so (for some value of "it") |
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| 10:19.08 | no_gravity | it=the receiving mailserver |
| 10:19.21 | no_gravity | is there a way to check the state of a mailserver? |
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| 10:19.35 | nsadmin | if you control it, yes |
| 10:19.54 | nsadmin | if it's yours to check the status of, ues |
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| 10:20.27 | nsadmin | I am assuming also this error is repeatable? |
| 10:20.29 | linuxfreaker | Guys, Everytime I need to run insmod command after machine reboot and all I need is not run that command. I have recently build the driver |
| 10:20.57 | linuxfreaker | Can I help inserting the module during the boot |
| 10:21.17 | nsadmin | look into /etc/modules |
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| 10:25.40 | no_gravity | nsadmin: i dont own the receiving mailserver. |
| 10:25.57 | nsadmin | no_gravity, so there's not enough actual information here, specific, with actual email addresses, sender/receiver, etc etc. specific and informative. all I can do is speculate, and I suspect it would not be that useful to you (and you would find it so) |
| 10:26.27 | nsadmin | I'm trying to remember why my sendmail from 10 or more years back was doing that |
| 10:26.30 | no_gravity | nsadmin: ok. my theory is that the receiver is the problem. |
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| 10:29.16 | nsadmin | no_gravity, is the sending mail server on a static IP? |
| 10:29.35 | no_gravity | nsadmin: i guess so. its one of the major providers here in germany. |
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| 10:30.03 | nsadmin | yeah, howbout the receiving mail server? |
| 10:30.08 | no_gravity | nsadmin: otherwise the sender would have more problems i guess. they send out about 100 mails a day and have no problem with other receivers. |
| 10:30.12 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: No entry in /etc/modules |
| 10:30.21 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: What entry I need in /etc/module |
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| 10:30.31 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: I have bnx.ko module |
| 10:31.00 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, you;ll have to look into this (and you should consider modprobe rather than insmod) |
| 10:31.02 | no_gravity | nsadmin: i dont know anything about the receiving mail server. i can send you the email via pm. thats all i have. |
| 10:31.09 | tralala | linuxfreaker, read the manual - man modules |
| 10:31.52 | linuxfreaker | tralala: I read that and it says put the entry into /etc/module ..just bnx0..is enough even .ko is not needed |
| 10:32.09 | nsadmin | and...? |
| 10:32.12 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: modprobe is manual command |
| 10:32.20 | nsadmin | so you did that, and? |
| 10:32.29 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Where Shall i put this command |
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| 10:33.07 | nsadmin | the system will run modprobe for you if you do exactly what you just said |
| 10:33.21 | tralala | linuxfreaker, you shouldn't put modprobe anywhere, he was suggesting using it instead of insmod for manually loading modules whenever needed |
| 10:33.24 | ladowacharpuny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.59 | linuxfreaker | tralala: I have put modprobe in /etc/rc.local |
| 10:35.00 | VanDerSp2r | Hey. Can you tell how to make a virtual user join a local group? |
| 10:35.10 | linuxfreaker | tralala: modprobe bnx2 |
| 10:35.19 | linuxfreaker | tralala: Lets see if that works |
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| 10:36.03 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, you're not going to do what you just read? |
| 10:36.20 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 10:36.26 | nsadmin | jim? |
| 10:36.36 | DammitJim | thank you nsadmin |
| 10:36.42 | DammitJim | good morning and good day to all |
| 10:36.51 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Whats wrong putting it in rc.local |
| 10:36.54 | woshty | i have an issue with the intel X org driver under wheezy. It seems to rescan EDID of one monitor continously, and then hangs |
| 10:36.54 | DammitJim | thanks to you guys, I run problem free |
| 10:36.57 | nsadmin | I'm a doctor not a pepper |
| 10:37.05 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Anyway it loads the module at boot time right? |
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| 10:37.16 | nsadmin | should |
| 10:37.19 | DammitJim | I'm a doctor, not an admin of an ns (what is an ns) |
| 10:37.20 | nsadmin | reboot and see |
| 10:37.59 | nsadmin | naviserv (similar to aolserver) |
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| 10:38.28 | tralala | linuxfreaker, /etc/modules is specifically for loading modules at boot time so using what's already there makes sense |
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| 10:38.53 | DammitJim | I know this is off topic, but what is an aolserver? I thought those things died like 20 years ago together with Compuserve |
| 10:38.53 | nsadmin | right, you just quoted to us how to do it |
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| 10:39.44 | nsadmin | multithreadded, massively scalable, designed for application server (rather than just web listener) from its SOL |
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| 10:40.01 | nsadmin | uses tcl as builtin scripting language |
| 10:40.13 | Leidenfrost | Hello. Is there something like an "old debian" distro to see how debian was in the "potato" or "woody" release? |
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| 10:41.09 | DammitJim | tcl, really? |
| 10:41.21 | DammitJim | that's pretty cool |
| 10:41.32 | nsadmin | actually it is... |
| 10:41.44 | nsadmin | took me a long while to get used to tcl |
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| 10:42.17 | DammitJim | From what I understand, tcl is a very powerful language that is overly misunderstood |
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| 10:45.09 | thewanderer1 | when I plug in an SSD (Crucial M4 256GB), it does not generate any dmesg entries. it does not appear in /dev... but the disk light goes up. what gives? |
| 10:45.27 | tralala | tcl is an okay language but it's out-leagued by modern scripting languages |
| 10:45.57 | tralala | thewanderer1, plug as in hotplug? |
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| 10:48.33 | nsadmin | , versionsn ardour |
| 10:48.40 | nsadmin | , versions ardour |
| 10:48.41 | judd | Package: ardour on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.8.11-3; sid: 1:2.8.12-1+b1; wheezy: 1:2.8.12-1+b1 |
| 10:49.28 | tralala | ah it's judd that does that - I was trying with dpkg the other day. Is it answering to everyone? |
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| 10:54.14 | thewanderer1 | tralala: yes, SATA hotplug |
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| 10:56.02 | tralala | does it work when cold plugged? |
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| 10:57.40 | thewanderer1 | it did work on another host... can't reboot that one |
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| 11:10.05 | matthiasb | jhutchins_lt, do not know if you are online but update to yesterday's dilemma. Thanks for your help i figured out what it was. |
| 11:10.26 | matthiasb | Turns out the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole was not in error. It just was too brief. |
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| 11:10.54 | matthiasb | And my diagnosis was wrong. It actually did boot the image, it just got stuck at a firmware dialoge. |
| 11:11.09 | matthiasb | Fortunately you can preseed that to not bother you interactively. |
| 11:11.20 | matthiasb | So, thanks for the help. |
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| 11:22.14 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 11:23.15 | d3xter | i'm trying to view a dvb-stream with mplayer, when i run "mplayer dvb://" i get an error and strace reveals, that mplayer try's to open adapter1-3, but my dvb-card is named adapter0, any hints? |
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| 11:25.22 | berzerka | d3xter: try dvb://0 |
| 11:25.50 | berzerka | d3xter: or 1 |
| 11:26.42 | d3xter | berzerka: the same. for now i'll just create a symlink |
| 11:26.43 | ronr | hi, I have a lvm volume that uses 2 harddisk (2x 2TB disk, total used storage about 1.5TB) , 1 of these crashed (seems like most read operations still work though and data should be recoverable), is there a way to 'repair' the lvm volume (I already got a similar replacement hd available) |
| 11:27.03 | d3xter | berzerka: but it's strange, that mplayer won't look for adapterĆ |
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| 11:27.09 | d3xter | adapter0, maybe a bug? |
| 11:28.07 | berzerka | d3xter: can you try to open the filename "mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0" directly? |
| 11:28.36 | ronr | I was considering a dd from the crashed hd to the new one: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc and then simply replace the crashed hd, is that risky? |
| 11:30.05 | thewanderer1 | ronr: try ddrescue instead of dd, but the principle is the same |
| 11:30.46 | d3xter | berzerka: then i get a "seek failed" |
| 11:30.51 | phr3ak | i should use cp |
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| 11:33.06 | d3xter | berzerka: strange, i've created a symlink from adapter1 -> adapter0 and now mplayer skip adapter1 too and starts with adapter2 |
| 11:33.33 | berzerka | d3xter: can you check with lsof if some other process has opened the device file? |
| 11:34.31 | d3xter | berzerka: just bash/su has opened the device file |
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| 11:35.25 | berzerka | d3xter: there is an open bug report which seems like it might be related.. http://bugzilla.mplayerhq.hu/show_bug.cgi?id=648 |
| 11:35.36 | berzerka | d3xter: otherwise, i can be of no more help. |
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| 11:36.56 | berzerka | d3xter: why has bash/su opened the device file btw? i don't see why that should be the case. |
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| 11:40.09 | d3xter | berzerka: sorry, the folder adapter0 was used by bash/su ^^ |
| 11:40.21 | d3xter | frontend0 and dvr0, both aren't in use as lsof showed |
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| 11:41.08 | d3xter | berzerka: wait, adapter1/frontend0 gets openend, but still i get "DVB CONFIGURATION NOT FOUND" |
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| 11:43.14 | berzerka | d3xter: hm did you try "mplayer dvb://1@" ? |
| 11:43.21 | berzerka | (with the @) |
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| 11:45.14 | kjellski | Is it possible to configure a bridge so that it would learn mac tables vlan trunkwise? |
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| 11:46.31 | d3xter | berzerka: same behaviour. here is my strace: http://pastebin.com/u17SRWHp |
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| 11:48.52 | berzerka | berserkr: nice nickname ;) |
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| 11:49.48 | BuisSse | Hello all |
| 11:50.02 | BuisSse | My firewall logs as of now are coming in messages as well as the syslog file |
| 11:50.08 | thewanderer1 | kjellski: what? :P |
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| 11:50.11 | BuisSse | how can i stop it from coming in the syslog file? |
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| 11:53.13 | berserkr | :O berzerka yours is also nice ;D |
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| 11:54.30 | berzerka | d3xter: hmm i wonder what the ioctl does, i mean, he immediately closes the fd again afterwards... |
| 11:54.36 | berzerka | d3xter: which version are you using? |
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| 11:55.08 | d3xter | berzerka: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1 |
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| 11:58.56 | berzerka | d3xter: this bugs me, i will have a look at the code but can't promise anything... |
| 11:58.59 | Ragnar | How can I change my monitor resolutions over command line on debian? |
| 11:59.08 | d3xter | berzerka: thanks :) |
| 11:59.10 | berzerka | Ragnar: xrandr (see manpage) |
| 11:59.28 | Ragnar | or is there a way for me to openup the gnome tool to do it over a command line? |
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| 12:00.41 | kjellski | thewanderer1: I have a l2tptunnel between two machines, now both of them should recognize new vlans and learn the incoming trunks by themselves... at the moment, both sides dont recognize the packets as tagged. |
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| 12:01.31 | thewanderer1 | kjellski: well, what would make Linux spawn new network interfaces? |
| 12:01.41 | thewanderer1 | (it needs an interface per VLAN) |
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| 12:06.39 | berzerka | d3xter: could you start mplayer with -msglevel 9 and pastebin the output? |
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| 12:08.45 | berzerka | d3xter: mplayer -msglevel all=9 dvb://1@ |
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| 12:10.27 | d3xter | berzerka: http://pastebin.com/pXuyRiFD |
| 12:10.55 | tralala | Ragnar, what's the benefit of opening the GUI tool from command line? |
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| 12:12.48 | Ragnar | tralala: I am trying to help my grandmother over the phone. |
| 12:13.37 | tralala | Ragnar, guiding her through the menus should be much easier. |
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| 12:14.46 | kjellski | thewanderer1: okay... and I'm supposet to add and remove them dynamically? ^^ it will change a lot... won't be able to do it manually... |
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| 12:15.14 | thewanderer1 | kjellski: I don't know which component you assumed would do it, but apparently, it doesn't do that |
| 12:15.37 | thewanderer1 | you can write a daemon which listens for VLAN tags on wire and assigns interfaces... |
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| 12:16.46 | Ragnar | tralala: she cannot reach to the menus |
| 12:16.54 | Ragnar | because the resolution is too large |
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| 12:21.02 | kjellski | thewanderer1: hmmm... there is no way to tell a bridge that it should accept trunks? and learn macs on each vlan? like on cisco switches: switchport mode trunk? |
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| 12:23.30 | tralala | Ragnar, but she can open a terminal and see the text she's typing? |
| 12:24.32 | thewanderer1 | kjellski: the issue is this: imagine you have br0 with eth0 inside. now, what do you do when you see a packet from vlan3 on the bridge? create eth0.3, br3 and assign eth0.3 to br3? |
| 12:25.39 | Ragnar | tralala: yeah |
| 12:25.42 | thewanderer1 | you end up creating new bridges when you see a new VLAN |
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| 12:26.02 | berzerka | d3xter: can you pastebin the contents of /home/sinz/.mplayer/channels.conf ? |
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| 12:27.23 | d3xter | berzerka: http://pastebin.com/pCuDFSnC |
| 12:27.40 | tralala | Ragnar, xrandr --size 800x600, then for permanent effects the gnome settings |
| 12:27.59 | fasta | How can I prioritize IRC traffic over svn traffic? |
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| 12:30.44 | thewanderer1 | fasta: http://linux-ip.net/articles/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/ |
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| 12:31.31 | codekK | bye all, cya |
| 12:31.37 | berzerka | d3xter: how did you create channels.conf? |
| 12:31.43 | fasta | thewanderer1: isn't there something a bit more user-friendly? |
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| 12:32.07 | thewanderer1 | fasta: that's the base of all other solutions, but for example Shorewall can configure tc for you I believe |
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| 12:32.27 | tralala | Ragnar, or gnome-display-properties |
| 12:32.31 | fasta | thewanderer1: but Shorewall is a distro, right? Not a program. |
| 12:32.47 | thewanderer1 | fasta: m0n0wall is a distro. apt-cache show shorewall |
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| 12:35.49 | berzerka | d3xter: which "bundesland" are you in? |
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| 12:37.39 | berzerka | d3xter: never mind, i mean which satellite are you tuned in? (you are using dvb-s not dvb-t...) |
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| 12:38.12 | firefox88 | !kernel compile |
| 12:38.12 | dpkg | [kernel compile] To (re)build the official Debian kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage . For personal kernel packages, it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>. |
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| 12:39.31 | berzerka | d3xter: Astra, probably? |
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| 12:44.06 | i5513 | Hello, are any of you using xlock ?, it is not working well here, xlock -mode ant fails telling: |
| 12:44.17 | i5513 | unrecognized mode "ant", using backup mode "random", but only blank screen is show |
| 12:44.30 | i5513 | I don't see any bug in bugtracker |
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| 12:45.17 | i5513 | does it work for you ? |
| 12:45.44 | i5513 | with sid version |
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| 12:48.19 | ChrisH | i5513: In which package is xlock? I cannot find it. |
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| 12:48.33 | firefox88 | !kernel recomplile |
| 12:48.39 | firefox88 | !kernel recompile |
| 12:48.41 | krion | ChrisH: packages.debian.org |
| 12:48.53 | firefox88 | !kernel |
| 12:48.55 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.4-rc6 , stable 3.3: 3.3.5 , stable 3.2: 3.2.16 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 (EOL), stable 3.0: 3.0.31 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.11 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120511 |
| 12:49.02 | nkuttler | !tell ChrisH about search |
| 12:49.13 | firefox88 | !kernel 3.2.16 |
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| 12:50.07 | d3xter | berzerka: yes, Astra 19.2E |
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| 12:50.49 | berzerka | d3xter: does "dvbscan dvb-s/Astra-19.2E" give you any output? |
| 12:51.21 | themill | ChrisH: xlockmore |
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| 12:51.33 | d3xter | berzerka: you mean, if i get any signal? |
| 12:51.45 | ChrisH | nkuttler: wanted to verify i5513 question and I do not see xlock in aptitude search nor in apt-file search, threfore my question towards him from which package he took his non to his expectation working xlock. |
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| 12:51.54 | berzerka | d3xter: that should correspond, i think, so yes.. |
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| 12:52.54 | berzerka | d3xter: is it correct that you have 2 dvb-s devices? |
| 12:53.01 | berzerka | d3xter: or is your symlink still active? |
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| 12:53.09 | d3xter | berzerka: nope, adapter1 is just a symlink to adapter0 |
| 12:53.16 | d3xter | berzerka: should i remove it? |
| 12:53.17 | berzerka | remove the symlink |
| 12:53.47 | berzerka | and, again, do you get any output from "dvbscan dvb-s/Astra-19.2E" |
| 12:53.57 | d3xter | berzerka: alright. "scan /usr.../Astra-19.2E" has found channels |
| 12:54.02 | berzerka | ok |
| 12:54.24 | berzerka | d3xter: pipe that output into /home/sinz/.mplayer/channels.conf |
| 12:54.30 | berzerka | d3xter: and try again |
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| 12:56.14 | d3xter | berzerka: strange. was the old channels.conf corrupted? |
| 12:56.21 | berzerka | d3xter: probably. |
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| 12:57.05 | d3xter | berzerka: "mplayer dvb://" now doesn't report any errors |
| 12:57.42 | d3xter | berzerka: seems like mplayer doesn't check the channels.conf for the correct syntax properly |
| 12:57.54 | berzerka | d3xter: does it work now? |
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| 13:01.11 | berzerka | d3xter: you should be able to switch through the channels with h / k.. |
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| 13:02.02 | berzerka | d3xter: or read the name of a channel from your new channels.conf and write "mplayer dvb://<channel_name>" |
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| 13:02.29 | d3xter | berzerka: i'm not sure, whether i've used scan or wscan |
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| 13:03.02 | d3xter | berzerka: uh, that was an answer to a question an hour ago ^^ |
| 13:03.08 | mattp_ | if my package replaces files in another package, and my package gets uninstalled |
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| 13:03.16 | mattp_ | can i somehow mark the package whose files were replaced as broken? |
| 13:03.21 | d3xter | berzerka: scan is still searching for channels |
| 13:03.28 | berzerka | d3xter: alright |
| 13:03.46 | berzerka | d3xter: please tell me if it works when he's finished |
| 13:03.53 | d3xter | berzerka: i will |
| 13:04.02 | d3xter | or wilco |
| 13:04.11 | berzerka | d3xter: in case i want to get some kinda dvb device myself one day ;) |
| 13:04.48 | d3xter | berzerka: the only thing i'm missing is a program, which i can control the channel switching ;) |
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| 13:04.59 | d3xter | wait, that sentence was not english ^^ |
| 13:05.19 | d3xter | berzerka: i'm missing a program with a gui, where i can switch channels |
| 13:05.43 | d3xter | iirc, i've heard gnome-dev's are working on a universal api in gstreamer, but nothing working yet |
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| 13:06.14 | themill | mattp_: policy Ā§7.6.1 (and footnote #53) is your required reading here. BTW questions like this will more often get answers in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net; /msg dpkg mentors |
| 13:06.15 | berzerka | d3xter: you can open the channels.conf in vlc and browse the channels with vlc's playlist (ctrl+L) |
| 13:06.15 | d3xter | berzerka: but mplayer with h/k to switch channels is also nice, just have to trim down the channels.conf to all favourite channels ;) |
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| 13:06.55 | mattp_ | themill: thanks |
| 13:07.06 | mattp_ | do you have a link to this policy book you speak of? |
| 13:07.19 | themill | mattp_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
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| 13:07.30 | mattp_ | cool. thanks |
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| 13:08.52 | d3xter | berzerka: it works now with the new channels.conf. thanks a lot man :D |
| 13:09.15 | berzerka | d3xter: you're welcome :) |
| 13:09.58 | i5513 | ChrisH: it is in xlockmore |
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| 13:12.43 | i5513 | sorry , I get distracted with another task .. so I did not read themill comment |
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| 13:14.47 | i5513 | I will try to do xlock to work in another computer, then if I am not able, will ask in debian-user, and if not good, I will open another bug |
| 13:14.56 | Pinchiukas | Where can I find experts on the 'locales' package? :) I want to know what each of the environmental variables in the output of 'locale' does. |
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| 13:15.11 | i5513 | Have a nice day!, bye |
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| 13:16.06 | nkuttler | ChrisH: well use a different tool to search.. like the bot said |
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| 13:17.53 | Pinchiukas | Anyone? |
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| 13:18.56 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: man locale |
| 13:19.16 | ChrisH | nkuttler: the problem is, its only in sid and the system I checked is not sid |
| 13:19.18 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: man 1 locale |
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| 13:19.40 | Pinchiukas | Doesn't have LANG(UAGE). |
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| 13:21.03 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: man -a locale |
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| 13:26.43 | Pinchiukas | nkuttler: nope. |
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| 13:28.20 | TvL2386 | hey guys, I'm having an issue with trunking and the be2net driver 4.2.116u from kernel 3.4-rc6. The overrun field in the ifconfig output keeps increasing. This is only happening when vlan interfaces are configured. I'm unsure on how to proceed. Would it be appropriate to mail this to netdev@vger.kernel.org? |
| 13:28.49 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: sure |
| 13:29.15 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: see also man apropos |
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| 13:34.57 | Pinchiukas | nkuttler: it doesn't say about LANG or LANGUAGE. |
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| 13:36.16 | Megaf | hi all, im installing debian on my mac, It got 3 partitions on it, all have about the same size, I can see what partition I can use by its name, problem is, Debian installer doesnt show partitions names, all partitions are HFS, I would use two of them to Debian and one of them have really important stuff |
| 13:36.34 | Megaf | so, how can I know what partition is the important one? |
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| 13:39.24 | berzerka | Megaf: you can mount them on the command line and inspect their contents. |
| 13:39.55 | Megaf | oh, thats a good idea |
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| 13:41.17 | Solskogen | in sources.lists is "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates ..." and "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable-updates main contrib non-free" the same? |
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| 13:41.50 | themill | no, unhelpfully. They are different. |
| 13:42.07 | themill | !squeeze/updates |
| 13:42.07 | dpkg | In squeeze, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "squeeze/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "squeeze-updates" which is other updated packages (formerly known as volatile, ask me about <squeeze-updates>). |
| 13:42.27 | themill | Solskogen: also, please use "squeeze" in your sources.list not "stable". That will save you from a very nasty surprise one day. |
| 13:42.32 | Solskogen | themill: okay - thanks! |
| 13:42.55 | Solskogen | themill: noted - I just pasted from the new debian handbook :) |
| 13:43.16 | themill | oh :( |
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| 13:44.00 | caraconan | Good evening. How can I get the package a certain binary belons to? In this case 'tunctl' |
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| 13:44.35 | dvs | caraconan: apt-cache search tunctl |
| 13:44.36 | Solskogen | themill: what if I have squeeze-proposed-updates? do I still need stable/updates and stable-updates? |
| 13:44.42 | Megaf | thanks berzerka |
| 13:44.45 | berzerka | caraconan: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search <filename> |
| 13:44.53 | berzerka | Megaf: did it work? |
| 13:44.57 | themill | Solskogen: yes |
| 13:45.26 | caraconan | Thanks guys |
| 13:45.28 | Solskogen | themill: okay - thanks again! :) |
| 13:45.43 | Megaf | berzerka, I didnt try yet, but Im pretty sure it will work. I did that already a while ago... |
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| 13:46.42 | berzerka | Megaf: theres also the hfsplus package, in there is a hpls tool which might allow you to see partition names / view their contents... |
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| 13:48.06 | Megaf | berzerka, im on mac os again, creating a fat partition, then on Debian isntaller I will just format it on Ext3 |
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| 13:50.22 | JordiGH | How can I tell gnome to use s2disk to hibernate instead of whatever other thing it's doing? |
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| 13:51.38 | berzerka | Megaf: you can do that, of course. looks like 'parted' will show you the HFS+ partition names, fwiw.. |
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| 13:54.32 | Megaf | hm, Ex3 or JFS? |
| 13:54.36 | Megaf | Ext3* |
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| 13:57.03 | berzerka | Megaf: dunno, i prefer ext3. |
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| 13:59.25 | Megaf | berzerka, I prefer JFS, such a Rock Solid FS |
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| 14:00.40 | raptor67782 | Megaf: really JFS? have you seen the tools to recovery it? - it results in a mess if it crashes |
| 14:00.43 | berzerka | Megaf: it's up to you. i have no experience with JFS, so... |
| 14:00.55 | raptor67782 | is JFS more stable than ext4? |
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| 14:01.14 | Megaf | raptor67782, I wont need to recover it :) |
| 14:01.29 | Megaf | ive been using JFS for years now |
| 14:01.33 | Megaf | never lost a single bit |
| 14:01.39 | homes | JFS2 is the only FS i've had explode on me [several times] |
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| 14:01.48 | Megaf | (using JFS on my laptops and desktops) |
| 14:01.58 | Megaf | for server I will use Ext3 |
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| 14:02.03 | Megaf | and RAID1 |
| 14:02.10 | ksk | raptor67782: no its not. its marked "experimental" in linux kernel iirc |
| 14:02.12 | homes | why use ext3 on your server? |
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| 14:03.27 | Megaf | homes, why not? |
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| 14:03.41 | samael | hello |
| 14:03.47 | homes | because you seem to use JFS for everything else |
| 14:03.50 | homes | seems inconsistant |
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| 14:04.41 | Megaf | because I know how to recover an Ext3 FS |
| 14:05.21 | sturles | uses ext4 for stability, xfs for mostly large files and btrfs for non-critical stuff with special needs like compression and writeable snapshots. |
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| 14:06.06 | Megaf | /dev/sda5 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 14:06.37 | Megaf | Ext3 here, oops |
| 14:07.00 | Megaf | I think JFS would be quite heavy or slow with this laptop |
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| 14:07.52 | Megaf | model name: Pentium II (Deschutes) |
| 14:07.52 | Megaf | cpu MHz: 300.654 |
| 14:07.53 | Megaf | cache size: 32 KB |
| 14:08.10 | samael | debian squeeze, running a couple processes from inittab and then some others via init.d script. I need the latter group of procs to be run *after* the former, but can't achieve that even by specifying "# Required-Start: $all" in the init.d scripts. any idea? |
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| 14:10.12 | nyk2005 | I just installed debian on a thinkpad x61 using an USB stick prepared by unetbootin. But now the installed debian only boots from HDD when the USB stick is plugged in. But I think it uses UUID in grub? What could be the reason and is there any way to fix it? |
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| 14:12.02 | ksk | nyk2005: you/it probably wrote the mbr to the usbstick |
| 14:12.29 | ksk | boot it with a boot disk and perform sth like "grub-install /dev/sdX --recheck" |
| 14:12.33 | ksk | where X is your internal drive |
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| 14:13.15 | Cryp71c | Trying to recursively grep and only print the file and line number, I can get the first part (recursive grep) but not the latter part. This is what I have at present: find . -type f | xargs grep 'whatever' |
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| 14:14.20 | nyk2005 | ksk: it did? strange, but yes, seems to make sense! |
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| 14:16.07 | ksk | nyk2005: i do not know, but that would be the easiest reason :) |
| 14:16.08 | corpus | hello to all, got a little problem. In my server i changed the hostname and also the smtp banner in postfix. everything works fine but noticed a little problem. when i send an email form root to a user i see that the sender is root@my.oldhostname.com. Any ideas how can i fix it ? thanks |
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| 14:16.34 | ksk | corpus: edit /etc/hsotname, /etc/hosts - then perform /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 14:16.43 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.57 | ksk | dunno if postfix uses it, im a exim-fanboi |
| 14:17.40 | corpus | ksk i think is the /etc/mailname |
| 14:17.44 | corpus | ksk thanks |
| 14:17.50 | corpus | forgot that |
| 14:18.21 | nsadmin | corpus, are you using this postfix to send only? |
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| 14:18.36 | corpus | no |
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| 14:18.46 | corpus | nsadmin, no i use it to receive also |
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| 14:19.19 | nsadmin | is the machine on a static external IP? |
| 14:19.43 | corpus | static |
| 14:19.50 | corpus | its a vps |
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| 14:20.30 | nsadmin | oh, ok... sounds like you're all set |
| 14:21.38 | corpus | yep |
| 14:22.13 | corpus | ok another little question. i can't remember what i did and after ssh login i dont get the you have new mail message |
| 14:22.20 | dizzylizzy | if Xsession is being called by gdm, it would just completely ignore .xsession scripts in $HOME, wouldn't it :( |
| 14:22.33 | dizzylizzy | since no user has logged in yet |
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| 14:23.35 | nsadmin | dizzy, gilespie? |
| 14:23.39 | nyk2005 | ksk: it worked! thanks!!!! |
| 14:23.43 | ksk | np |
| 14:24.28 | nsadmin | corpus, did you get it before on ssh logins? |
| 14:24.34 | corpus | yes |
| 14:24.37 | corpus | allways |
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| 14:25.13 | nsadmin | hmm. maybe that's because there's a call to the thing that checks in your shell startup script |
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| 14:25.53 | dizzylizzy | I need to execute a script when I log into GNOME, what is the best place to call it from? I've tried putting the commands just about everywhere to no avail. |
| 14:26.27 | Megaf | dizzylizzy, go to gnome settings |
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| 14:26.39 | dizzylizzy | the login applications thing? ok |
| 14:26.39 | Megaf | theres a place there to put things you want to run when you log in |
| 14:26.44 | dizzylizzy | :-/ ok |
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| 14:27.18 | dizzylizzy | I struggled with xmodmap configuration for a very long time before just switching Alt/Super in the GNOME settings. Okay. |
| 14:27.24 | dizzylizzy | I'll do this there too, thanks |
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| 14:27.55 | Megaf | dizzylizzy, mac? |
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| 14:30.57 | dizzylizzy | Megaf, yes :P |
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| 14:32.07 | dizzylizzy | Megaf, I'm having xinput disable the trackpad entirely, too. And after hours of being very frustrated with trying to set Capslock to be an extra Ctrl (because the Fn key is in the corner), I find out that there is absolutely no way I can make that happen with this computer because of the way the hardware is wired with capslock |
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| 14:32.42 | dizzylizzy | why did I have to spill orange soda on my laptop and be forced to use this old iBook G4 :P |
| 14:33.08 | calrogman | Because you didn't practice safe drinking. Rule one: don't eat or drink at the computer. |
| 14:33.34 | dizzylizzy | no |
| 14:33.42 | dizzylizzy | the rule is use drinking containers with tight lids |
| 14:33.43 | dizzylizzy | :( |
| 14:33.51 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. is there a reason why not gsed is not set as an alias to sed by default or is it something i should have done it myself? |
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| 14:35.25 | TomyLobo | i just read the squeeze->wheezy factoid. it says to use apt-get. is aptitude no longer required? |
| 14:35.56 | _stefanos_ | TomyLobo, I use it almost on a daily basis on my system |
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| 14:36.07 | calrogman | Aptitude is never required. It's preferred to apt-get in a lot of cases though. The Squeeze->Wheezy upgrade is not one of them. |
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| 14:36.28 | TomyLobo | calrogman then that factoid is wrong? |
| 14:36.44 | themill | TomyLobo: apt-get performs better than aptitude on some huge upgrades; aptitude performs better than apt-get on most smaller ones. |
| 14:36.54 | TomyLobo | okay |
| 14:37.01 | TomyLobo | it used to be the other way round :D |
| 14:37.22 | TomyLobo | so you meant "It's preferred OVER apt-get" |
| 14:37.23 | themill | yeah, aptitude's resolver sometimes manages to confuse itself |
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| 14:38.33 | TomyLobo | i wish there was an OS-wide git... could just update now and roll back later :D |
| 14:38.48 | themill | they're called VM snapshots |
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| 14:38.54 | TomyLobo | not a vm |
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| 14:39.21 | Megaf | TomyLobo, Solaris can do that |
| 14:39.31 | Megaf | so Mac OS X can too |
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| 14:39.38 | TomyLobo | hah |
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| 14:39.39 | themill | TomyLobo: if I need to test something like that, I normally make one |
| 14:39.48 | TomyLobo | not my 2 favorite systems, really |
| 14:40.15 | calrogman | Linux can do that. In theory. With btrfs. |
| 14:40.31 | TomyLobo | heh |
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| 14:43.36 | Megaf | dizzylizzy, is gnome running fine with that G4? |
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| 14:44.05 | DotHack | TomyLobo: lvm snapshot! |
| 14:44.35 | dizzylizzy | Megaf, version 2.30.2! yup. |
| 14:44.40 | TomyLobo | that's rather expensive |
| 14:45.15 | dizzylizzy | it is frustrating being stuck with squeeze though, since upgrading to wheezy even partially seems to break things very very quickly and there's no iceweasel backport |
| 14:45.45 | taulus | Advice please. OSX on old iBook G4, considering Debian PPC for it as use Debian on desktop. |
| 14:45.55 | TomyLobo | uh what exactly breaks, dizzylizzy? |
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| 14:46.34 | dizzylizzy | taulus, I'm using that right now! |
| 14:46.56 | dizzylizzy | TomyLobo, dependency hell with apt mostly |
| 14:47.08 | TomyLobo | if i fully upgrade? |
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| 14:47.27 | taulus | dizzylizzy how is it, better than running OSX, I need to be able to easily transfer file from Mac to desktop. |
| 14:47.51 | TomyLobo | ctrl-Cs |
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| 14:48.36 | TomyLobo | dizzylizzy i was about to fully upgrade to wheezy. you mentioning wheezy "breaking things very very quickly" made me nervous. could you elaborate? |
| 14:48.52 | dizzylizzy | TomyLobo, if apt didn't say anything about ridiculous amounts of conflicts when you were doing a full system upgrade, why would you Ctrl-C? |
| 14:49.01 | TomyLobo | dizzylizzy it was still downloading |
| 14:49.04 | _stefanos_ | TomyLobo, I am under wheexy and i didn't have any problem |
| 14:49.09 | _stefanos_ | wheezy |
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| 14:49.22 | TomyLobo | so ctrl-c doesnt kill my system :) |
| 14:49.36 | TomyLobo | apt said nothing about conflicts |
| 14:49.41 | dizzylizzy | then you were fine!! |
| 14:49.45 | dizzylizzy | gosh I was probably doing it wrong |
| 14:49.45 | TomyLobo | beh |
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| 14:50.14 | dizzylizzy | taulus, I couldn't stand using OS X on here. I'm running Squeeze right now and I only have a few complaints |
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| 14:50.16 | TomyLobo | downloads the remaining 5% and installs |
| 14:50.31 | taulus | dizzylizzy :) |
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| 14:50.35 | DotHack | dizzylizzy: you knwo this: http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:50.51 | DotHack | dizzylizzy: for your iceweasel |
| 14:50.55 | dizzylizzy | taulus, first, if you use the Ctrl key a lot, good luck :( the Fn key can't be remapped of course, and there's a hardware issue with mapping Capslock to be control |
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| 14:51.01 | TomyLobo | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see bleh |
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| 14:51.47 | themill | !immediate configuration |
| 14:51.47 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." Fixing this is quite difficult and will take time... if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install" will often be enough to solve the problem. If "dpkg -r" complains about dependencies, consider adding "--force-depends". |
| 14:51.50 | taulus | dizzylizzy how do you deal with right mouse click with debian PPC |
| 14:51.52 | dizzylizzy | DotHack, I love you |
| 14:52.29 | dizzylizzy | taulus, for a long time, I mapped the "Command" button to be right-click |
| 14:53.23 | taulus | ok i guess I need to give it a try ;0 |
| 14:53.46 | TomyLobo | dpkg says the package isnt installed |
| 14:53.46 | dpkg | no idea, TomyLobo |
| 14:54.32 | dizzylizzy | taulus, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnPowerPC << that page has a bit on mouse button things |
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| 14:55.21 | TomyLobo | now this is quite a downer... |
| 14:55.47 | TomyLobo | especially since the apt manual says that the "immediate configuration" stuff is done for important and essential packages |
| 14:55.56 | TomyLobo | i cant see how that package is essential |
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| 14:56.09 | taulus | Thx dizzylizzy |
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| 14:57.55 | dizzylizzy | DotHack, it appears that they don't carry powerpc binaries at mozilla.debian.net... I'm not surprised :-/ |
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| 14:58.49 | nsadmin | you could probably ask them to |
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| 15:00.39 | nsadmin | oh, I'm getting that locale thing people have been complaining about, in this case while installing postgresql-common on a squeezebox |
| 15:00.56 | dizzylizzy | i'm going to compile 3.6 from source |
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| 15:06.06 | TomyLobo | odd, "apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=no phonon-backend-vlc" yields "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'kde-plasma-netbook'" |
| 15:06.21 | TomyLobo | how can that be if i disable it? |
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| 15:06.40 | TomyLobo | sorry, "apt-get -o APT::Immediate-Configure=no install phonon-backend-vlc" |
| 15:08.42 | TomyLobo | i dont even remember installing *any* of these |
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| 15:19.14 | Night_Elf | I get this message when I try to install hp-snmp-agents: insserv: Service snmp has to be enabled to start service hp-snmp-agents. I apt-cdrom(ed) a cd which I downloaded from stupid HP support page, which was named: "ProLiant Support Pack CD for dpkg-based distributions" but it seems to be ubuntu-based distributions instead. And now it is giving me the said message. Can this be fixed ? |
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| 15:19.43 | Cryp71c | Fresh debian install, uname -r reports "2.6.32-5.amd64" this is the 64-bit version of debian that is running, correct? |
| 15:19.52 | Night_Elf | Cryp71c: yes |
| 15:20.00 | Cryp71c | uname -s just reports "Linux" and I was under the presumption that it should report something that says Linux64 |
| 15:20.28 | Cryp71c | erm, rather..one sec. |
| 15:20.43 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, you have to configure the service, it wont start per default, and ubuntu is not debian ... but it can be done, as i did the same route |
| 15:20.47 | Cryp71c | uname -p reports "unknown" where it should report "x86_64" |
| 15:22.00 | Night_Elf | dutchfish: Service which possibly is named snmp, and which I don't have. But I do have an /etc/init.d/snmpd though, but not a snmp |
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| 15:22.59 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, mm.. as far as i know the NAME service is snmp as per message, but the daemon is snmpd definitively. |
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| 15:23.40 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, you have to configure the zone, security and user/id for it |
| 15:23.47 | Night_Elf | dutchfish: But if I want to start said service (in debian) I do /etc/init.d/snmpd start though ... |
| 15:23.49 | dutchfish | (manually) |
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| 15:24.25 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, since it is not configured yet /etc/init.d/snmpd start won't work |
| 15:24.25 | Night_Elf | dutchfish: Ah. In the snmp.conf file you mean? |
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| 15:24.35 | dutchfish | bingo |
| 15:25.06 | fredl | hey dutchfish :) |
| 15:25.19 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, bare in mind that this service increases greatly the security risks .... |
| 15:25.19 | fredl | LTNS |
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| 15:25.30 | dutchfish | fredl, hi hi :) |
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| 15:27.02 | Night_Elf | dutchfish: I am aware of that. But this I am testing for a status/health/anything-possible monitoring for some HP hardware, and a software that I tumbled upon, Zenoss. |
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| 15:27.51 | jackiechan0 | hello could anyone help me i'm experiencing problem to connect to a VPN the vpn works correclty using openvpn but doesn't works using pptp network manager |
| 15:29.54 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, ok, you have at least been warned. |
| 15:30.14 | ChrisH | jackiechan0: You have different VPN endpoints I assume. |
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| 15:30.57 | ethanol | how can I install a package and tell aptitude to shut the fuck up about conflicts? |
| 15:31.18 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> sorry? |
| 15:31.38 | TomyLobo | aptitude safe-upgrade takes AGES |
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| 15:32.19 | TomyLobo | and i fear all it's going to tell me is "sorry, no packages can be installed without breaking everything |
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| 15:32.39 | ChrisH | jackiechan0: an OPenVPN Server is unable to handle an incoming PPTP connect. |
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| 15:32.59 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> here is the tutorial http://unblockvpn.com/support/how-to-set-up-unblock-vpn-on-linux.html |
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| 15:33.13 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> just take a look, but i'm only able to get into that VPN with openvpn |
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| 15:34.32 | ChrisH | jackiechan0: OK. there are different endpoints. Do you get any messages, warning? |
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| 15:35.11 | pasky | Hi! Anyone knows how to package python modules? I'm trying to do dh_make, dh_python2 but the dh_python2 does not seem to create or modify any files and I have trouble finding any good guide to this |
| 15:35.16 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> yes using my network manager i just set the VPN as shown in the tutorial |
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| 15:35.56 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> and i get Connection to vpn failed, Connection was not provided by any setting service |
| 15:36.15 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> ifI use openvpn with .ca file that i get from the site it works |
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| 15:37.52 | ChrisH | jackiechan0: 1. Why not using OpenVPN? I personally trust that morethen PPTP. 2. see https://linux.ee.ethz.ch/VpnConnectNmGnome#Troubleshooting_the_VPN_Connection |
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| 15:38.29 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> ok i installed network-manager-openvpn and i would like to set my VPN in the network manager GUI could u help me? |
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| 15:39.32 | dizzylizzy | TomyLobo, ah i see, I didn't run dist-upgrade and instead ran full-upgrade. very very few dependency issues now, and almost entirely with debian multimedia |
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| 15:40.05 | ChrisH | jackiechan0: VPN client side? Add another VPN as you did for the unblock stuff. Or are you talking about setting up an OpenVPN Server? |
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| 15:40.51 | lambda_x | Im using Debian testing, Im unable to connect my sgs2 using USB, today I noticed that Ubuntu 12.04 connection to sgs2 works without any problems. In debian kern.log after connecting device I get "usb 1-3: can't set config #1, error -110" - anybody have some idea what might be the problem? |
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| 15:42.21 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> i'm talking about setting up the client, i tried usint openvpn network manager but it didn't worked |
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| 15:45.26 | ChrisH | !tell jackiechan0 on does not work |
| 15:45.36 | jackiechan0 | ?= |
| 15:47.23 | ChrisH | !tell jackiechan0 about does not work |
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| 15:48.46 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> he doesn't want to tell me |
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| 15:50.01 | TomyLobo | dizzylizzy for me, that wants to remove KDE |
| 15:50.12 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> ok i will explain better if i run from a CLI "openvpn eu2_slovakia.ovpn" it ask me user and pwd and it works |
| 15:50.21 | TomyLobo | and, ironically, boost |
| 15:50.30 | TomyLobo | boost is my reason for upgrading |
| 15:50.35 | dizzylizzy | haha |
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| 15:50.49 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> if i set everything from the guy setting the OpenVPN protocol user pwd and the certificate that i downloaded unblockvpn-ca.pem it doesn't |
| 15:50.51 | jackiechan0 | tnx anyway |
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| 15:54.10 | ChrisH | jackiechan0: without an error message its difficult to do some suggestions. from my expierence I would first try to toogle the compression checkbox and try to have a look into the files below /var/log to see if there is anything in related to OpenVPN. |
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| 15:54.44 | jackiechan0 | ChrisH> tnx |
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| 15:55.13 | TomyLobo | jackiechan0 i'm having trouble understanding you. now you shouldn't be worried about me because i probably can't help you anyway, but add some more punctuation and such |
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| 15:55.32 | TomyLobo | makes it easier to see which way you broke the grammar :) |
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| 15:55.46 | jackiechan0 | TomyLobo> you are right i have been too vague |
| 15:56.02 | jackiechan0 | TomyLobo> english isn't my first language of course |
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| 15:56.20 | TomyLobo | not mine either |
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| 15:59.34 | ethanol | can someone explain to me how I can end this vicious nightmare and tell apt to stfu and just do it? http://paste2.org/p/2018484 |
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| 16:00.41 | ethanol | why is there no force switch? |
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| 16:05.00 | wto | I can't seem to get UTF-8 to work properly with my system, screen, irssi and PuTTY, although it seems all settings are correct. locale is en_US.UTF-8, screen has utf8 on on, irssi has term_charset utf-8 and PuTTY translates to UTF-8 |
| 16:05.14 | wto | any thoughts on this would be extremely helpful. |
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| 16:06.49 | peterrooney | ethanol: because forcing is dpkg's domain. dpkg -P php5-mysqlnd might help |
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| 16:07.40 | ethanol | peterrooney, nope http://paste2.org/p/2018506 |
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| 16:09.15 | Night_Elf | I see there is a net-snmp package at the source packages. I have seen a net-snmp.rpm package. But I don't see a net-snmp.deb binary package. How comes this? |
| 16:09.44 | peterrooney | Huh. Trust php to have bugs. what does dpkg -l php5-mysqlnd show after doing that? |
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| 16:10.46 | ethanol | pF php5-mysqlnd 5.4.0-3 MySQL module for php5 (Native Driver) |
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| 16:11.21 | peterrooney | ,versions php5-mysqlnd |
| 16:11.22 | judd | Package: php5-mysqlnd on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.2-1 |
| 16:11.27 | peterrooney | ,versions php5-mysq |
| 16:11.28 | judd | No package named 'php5-mysq' was found in i386. |
| 16:11.33 | peterrooney | ,versions php5-mysql |
| 16:11.34 | judd | Package: php5-mysql on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze9; wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.2-1 |
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| 16:12.26 | ethanol | dpkg --force-all -P php5-mysqlnd doesn't force enough clearly, still cannot remove :< |
| 16:12.26 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ethanol |
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| 16:12.34 | ethanol | .. |
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| 16:13.40 | pontoon | Is anyone familiar with installing Drupal 7 from the package in Squeeze backports? Obviously installing it is easy, but it isn't up and running out of the box. Dependency handling and installation scripts seem to take care of a lot, but I don't know enough about Drupal or Apache to figure out what needs to be configured still. |
| 16:13.56 | jelly | ethanol: in general, you shouldn't have to use --force-* parameters to dpkg except in specific well know circumstances |
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| 16:14.39 | jelly | ethanol: can you pastebin the full output of the failing purge? |
| 16:15.09 | ethanol | http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/short-tip-remove-packages-on-debian-systems-with-ultimate-force/ |
| 16:15.10 | ethanol | I win |
| 16:15.23 | nsadmin | !win ethanol |
| 16:15.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, ethanol! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:16.52 | peterrooney | ethanol: damn, I was hoping to put another trophy on the mantel |
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| 16:18.36 | ethanol | wow |
| 16:18.40 | ethanol | it still cannot install the other package |
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| 16:18.49 | ethanol | Setting up php5-mysql (5.4.0-3) ... |
| 16:18.49 | ethanol | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/mods-available/mysql.ini |
| 16:18.49 | ethanol | ERROR: /etc/php5/mods-available/mysql.ini does not exist |
| 16:18.51 | ethanol | roflcopter |
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| 16:19.03 | nsadmin | !lose |
| 16:19.25 | ethanol | not installing a file cause it was deleted, then killing the install cause the file is not there |
| 16:19.29 | ethanol | logic, debian haz it |
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| 16:21.13 | ethanol | I just made it myself, now it installs. logic overcome. |
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| 16:25.47 | cesurasean | guys. having trouble bringing up a debian box with 2 nics. i cannot seem to connect to internet, or ping, and i have checked the cable connections and they are good. do i need to bring the nics back up with ifconfig or what? |
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| 16:25.59 | cesurasean | cannot ping to or from the my router. |
| 16:26.26 | cesurasean | any help would be appreciated, as im down on my luck lately. |
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| 16:27.27 | nsadmin | cesurasean, what are the nics for |
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| 16:28.33 | nsadmin | being down on your luck can be helped by taking action |
| 16:29.29 | cesurasean | both nics attach to the LAN just like any other box. it's actually a load balancing machine so i had 2 nics in it. |
| 16:29.52 | cesurasean | which is telling me both nics are not working. even when i unplug the cables and plug them back in it does not tell me link is up. |
| 16:30.02 | nsadmin | so that's a special situation |
| 16:30.11 | cesurasean | sort of. |
| 16:30.23 | cesurasean | sounds like a debian issue with the nics not coming online though. |
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| 16:31.36 | ChrisH | cesurasean: missing firmware? "it does not tell me link is up." it means the kernel or the LEDs? |
| 16:31.42 | nsadmin | two nics on the same net is a routing issue... I would recommend you disconnect and down one |
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| 16:32.12 | nsadmin | which would make this more normal |
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| 16:32.25 | cesurasean | the kernel. leds are lit up. |
| 16:32.38 | cesurasean | this box worked prior. |
| 16:32.51 | cesurasean | this is not a setup issue. seems the kernel just won't ping anything with leds lit. |
| 16:33.13 | ChrisH | cesurasean: can you pastebin ifconfig -a |
| 16:33.20 | cesurasean | ive traced both cables back to make sure of physical link |
| 16:33.39 | cesurasean | im not able to pastebin it. |
| 16:33.50 | cesurasean | can't access the machine. having to use console to get this bad boy up. sorry. |
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| 16:34.32 | nsadmin | when the machine worked, what were the nics connected to? |
| 16:34.40 | ChrisH | What IPs are assigned to the NICs? Can you ifdown both and ifup on only one? |
| 16:34.49 | nsadmin | s/machine/networking/ |
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| 16:35.43 | nsadmin | didn't you say they were bound in a load balancing situation? in that case, the other end is bound as well |
| 16:35.52 | cesurasean | 192.168.1.3, and .4, as i said this all worked prior to turning the machine off a month ago or so. |
| 16:35.56 | cesurasean | the setup should be correct. |
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| 16:36.30 | cesurasean | I ran ifconfig -a, and both cards say no transmit, or received coming from it. |
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| 16:36.47 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: So no kernel updates or anything? |
| 16:36.52 | cesurasean | no |
| 16:36.56 | cesurasean | never updated anything. |
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| 16:37.02 | cesurasean | just turned the machine on. |
| 16:37.11 | jhutchins_lt | Anything of interest in dmesg or the logs? |
| 16:37.20 | cesurasean | not really. |
| 16:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | How long have you been struggling with it? |
| 16:37.36 | cesurasean | when i plug in and out the ethernet it never says link up either. |
| 16:37.41 | cesurasean | just today. |
| 16:38.02 | cesurasean | my webservers aren't on because of this machine, and I'm afraid I liked how it worked, and don't want to cut it out of the situation. |
| 16:38.05 | jhutchins_lt | So a few hours then. On-board or discrete cards? |
| 16:38.13 | cesurasean | separate cards |
| 16:38.18 | cesurasean | PCI |
| 16:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | Re-seat the cards, possibly even clean the contacts with a pencil eraser. |
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| 16:38.47 | cesurasean | why would BOTh cards go out though? |
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| 16:38.57 | ChrisH | cesurasean can you remote powercycle the box? |
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| 16:39.11 | cesurasean | i already tried that |
| 16:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | Same reason. Sitting idle and cold they tend to get corrosion on the contacts. Besides, you got a better idea? |
| 16:39.59 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 16:41.00 | Cryp71c | Hrm, I have an ODBC manager (on a relatively fresh debian install) complaining than a .so "file not found" however if I take the path that it produces in the error (/usr/local/lib/libsqlodbc.so) and "ls" or "cat" it I get output as expected. |
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| 16:41.20 | cesurasean | the loopback has almost 1 meg had been sent, etc |
| 16:41.25 | cesurasean | and the lights on the nics are flashing |
| 16:41.35 | cesurasean | but the eth0, and eth1 says 0 bytes |
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| 16:45.11 | cesurasean | any more ideas besides taking the machine apart? |
| 16:45.45 | nsadmin | either bind the two nics ON BOTH SIDES, or use one to connect to one net |
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| 16:46.25 | nsadmin | else, this becomes more complex, and the truth is I don't understand the complexities |
| 16:47.11 | nsadmin | maybe you understand more than I do (that would be required to deal with this, I would think) |
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| 16:48.27 | cesurasean | i can ping the nic itself, but not the network.... |
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| 16:48.31 | cesurasean | if that means anything? |
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| 16:49.27 | ChrisH | cesurasean: NIC is detected and IP is plumbed. So from the OS Side its OK. |
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| 16:50.05 | ChrisH | cesurasean: Do you have access to the switch? Can you check the status from there? |
| 16:50.06 | cusco | don't you have dhcp ? |
| 16:50.13 | nsadmin | do you mean that from the machine with the two nics you can ping one of their IPs? |
| 16:50.31 | cusco | dhclient -v eth0 |
| 16:50.32 | cusco | ? |
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| 16:52.55 | ChrisH | nsadmin: I understood from inside he can ping the IPs |
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| 16:54.16 | cesurasean | nsadmin, yes from the machine itself i can ping the 192.168.1.3 ip, and .4, but cannot ping gateway at 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:54.35 | cesurasean | so, it can ping itself, but not anything on the network. |
| 16:55.20 | ChrisH | cesurasean: I assume tcpdump does not show anything incoming.... I had such a behaviour with Solaris, IPMP and incorrect netmasks |
| 16:55.23 | nsadmin | so there's some kind of connectivity issue with the machine and the net it tries to directly connect to |
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| 16:55.37 | jairavax | So why would one choose kFreeBSD/Debian over FreeBSD? |
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| 16:56.10 | cesurasean | i tried plugging directly to my route, no luck. |
| 16:56.20 | cesurasean | just has no connectivity except pinging itself. |
| 16:56.25 | nsadmin | in the routing table, is there only one, or are there two, default routes out of the net? |
| 16:56.43 | cesurasean | nsadmin, how do i display that? |
| 16:56.56 | nsadmin | I'd try route -n |
| 16:57.15 | cesurasean | you mean gw's, right? to check if there is 2? |
| 16:57.21 | nsadmin | but I haven't played with ip yet (and I recommend for you and me that we learn the ip tool) |
| 16:57.43 | nsadmin | right |
| 16:57.48 | cesurasean | let me check |
| 16:57.58 | nsadmin | they're likely to go to the same machine |
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| 16:59.19 | ChrisH | nsadmin: I learned a new command... ip link is the starting point |
| 16:59.59 | nsadmin | dang... I don't understand the output yet |
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| 17:00.40 | ChrisH | eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000 |
| 17:00.48 | ChrisH | example for a NIC without cable |
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| 17:01.23 | nsadmin | nics have carriers... hmm :) |
| 17:01.27 | cesurasean | i compared with another server, and the routes look fine. |
| 17:02.49 | nsadmin | "fine" and describing your perception that's how the routes look is all well and good if you would like a shot at taking care of the problem yourself |
| 17:03.25 | jairavax | Why not FreeBSD? |
| 17:03.41 | cesurasean | nsadmin, the routes look the SAME as another box that's working. |
| 17:04.54 | ChrisH | cesurasean,nsadmin ethtool eth0 if installed |
| 17:05.30 | nsadmin | cesurasean, then it wouldn't make sense to show us BOTH copies :) |
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| 17:08.03 | nsadmin | cesurasean, are there also two nics on the (working) machine? |
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| 17:15.28 | davidkarapetyan | 12358ping |
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| 17:18.23 | cesurasean | nsadmin, just pretend there is 1 nic. they are setup the same way. |
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| 17:18.50 | cesurasean | I may just have to deal with this later. |
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| 17:23.15 | colock | hello |
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| 17:25.01 | colock | how can I have IP/netmask/gateway configured with dhcp and at the same time manually configure nameservers? |
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| 17:26.10 | ChrisH | colock: can you explain why such a setup is wanted? Why not DNS and CO also from dhcpd? |
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| 17:28.13 | Diopter | colock: You can either have your clients not request the nameserver option, or you can attempt to not provide the option in your DHCP server. |
| 17:28.24 | Diopter | colock: Should be able to do it with dnsmasq. |
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| 17:29.10 | colock | Diopter: the problem is that VirtualBox "NAT" is giving itself as nameserver + the Host /etc/resolv.conf nameservers |
| 17:29.25 | colock | problem is that 10.0.2.2 (virtualbox fake dhcp server/dns resolver) is just not working |
| 17:29.29 | colock | anyway |
| 17:29.35 | Diopter | colock: Aha, VirtualBox. Yeehaw |
| 17:29.36 | colock | moved from dhcp to static, problem solved |
| 17:30.02 | colock | of course i'm using dnsmasq for dhcp/dns of the internal virtual network |
| 17:30.31 | ChrisH | colock: can't you use bridged mode? |
| 17:30.34 | Cryp71c | Where can I ask some questions about the "isql" command which (appears? to be) is unique to unix systems? |
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| 17:30.54 | colock | Cryp71c: i don't want to |
| 17:31.14 | colock | sorry, for ChrisH |
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| 17:32.30 | ChrisH | colock: I am using virtualbox for several purposes but never saw that problem. |
| 17:33.03 | colock | well, I do prefer to directly use the real nameservers anyway |
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| 17:43.43 | nsadmin | cesurasean, that's probably best... I'm less willing to deal with you or your situation when you fail to provide actual data and exact text of command output. I will, however, repeat what I said in the beginning, two nics connected to the same network is at best a specialized routing issue. if you know how to deal with those, by all means, deal. lastly, if debian and/or #debian can't or doesn't deal with these kinds of issues, another source of inf |
| 17:43.44 | nsadmin | o would be #networking |
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| 17:44.02 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
| 17:44.13 | qmr | Is it possible to have key only ssh auth for root, but allow passwords for regular users? |
| 17:44.43 | nsadmin | qmr, I think it is possible; man 5 sshd_config |
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| 17:46.52 | Diopter | qmr: PermitRootLogin without-password, looks like |
| 17:47.33 | qmr | Diopter: derp. I was thinking using that option only allowed for using command arguments to ssh |
| 17:48.06 | Diopter | qmr: Lets you do that too, but this particular value is handy |
| 17:48.18 | qmr | I ask same question in debian and ubuntu, of course debian has answer immediately :p |
| 17:48.39 | Diopter | lulz |
| 17:48.45 | qmr | Yea, I want key only auth for using root, but I don't want to teach my clients all about key login when they just need to restart their game servers |
| 17:48.51 | Diopter | Sure. |
| 17:49.06 | nsadmin | qmr, maybe the answer is the same for both dists... maybe... |
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| 17:49.25 | qmr | I need to write some cgi thing to let people restart their servers. I'll do that in my Copious Free Time |
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| 17:50.01 | Diopter | Ah yes, the mythical CFT(tm) |
| 17:50.08 | Diopter | One day, my gift basket of CFT will come |
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| 17:50.26 | jstoone | Is there a debian build with the 3.1 kernel somewhere? |
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| 17:50.40 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, you mean squeeze? |
| 17:50.58 | GNU\colossus | you can get an inofficial boot CD for squeeze with the backports kernel |
| 17:51.02 | GNU\colossus | it's patently awesome |
| 17:51.25 | jstoone | which kernel does the newest release have? |
| 17:51.42 | jstoone | I am having some problems with my Atheros AR8151 drivers |
| 17:52.02 | jstoone | And I have no idea if it is dumb of me to blame the kernel? |
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| 17:52.20 | nsadmin | jstoone, by default squeeze uses 2.6.32 (or so)... 3.2 is in backports (3.1 is considered experimental/development) |
| 17:52.21 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: sorry forgot to mention you |
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| 17:52.40 | jstoone | but 3.2 is stable? |
| 17:52.53 | Diopter | jstoone: http://kernel.org/ |
| 17:52.59 | Diopter | Says it right thar. |
| 17:53.30 | nsadmin | right, if the kernel folks are still doing the same numbering conventions, odd minor number means development, even means stable |
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| 17:53.47 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, backports for squeeze has 3.2 |
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| 17:54.04 | jstoone | nsadmin: Thanks, good to know (: |
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| 17:54.22 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: Okay, where can i get this, I can't seem to find it on the website. |
| 17:54.24 | Diopter | nsadmin: They're not really doing that anymore. Check out the 'stable' release versions. |
| 17:55.18 | nsadmin | Diopter, would it be fair to say they're relasing stable stuff more often? |
| 17:56.09 | GNU\colossus | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ @ jstoone |
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| 17:56.36 | Diopter | nsadmin: Yeah. Linus or Greg (Kroah-Hartman) mentioned something about that near the 3.x mark, iirc |
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| 17:56.57 | cardamon | Hmm. |
| 17:57.05 | ptrkmj | is there a way to check if any of my laptop's components requires proprietrary firmware? e.g. is there a command to check if any firmware is loaded while running GNU/Linux system? |
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| 17:57.24 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: Thank you so much, i got the USB image now |
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| 17:57.42 | cardamon | ptrkmj: In general, don't install the firmware...and see if you can get it working. :P |
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| 17:58.27 | Diopter | ptrkmj: You can check dmesg. Modules with missing firmware will generally complain |
| 17:58.42 | Diopter | ptrkmj: And you can check if a given module needs firmware by "modinfo <module>" |
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| 17:59.04 | cardamon | Diopter: I was the guy with the LVM problem last night. Got it eventually. Thanks. |
| 17:59.16 | Diopter | cardamon: Sure thing. Glad to hear it. Useful new knowledge! |
| 17:59.48 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: Shoud i just copy the content of boot.img to an USB then? I'm sorry for the trouble. |
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| 18:00.07 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, if you want to install from USB, you're still going to need the ISO image |
| 18:00.08 | dkr | ptrkmj: check the wiki. e.g. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T400/lenny |
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| 18:00.31 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, just dd the image to a USB thumb drive w/ at least 512MB capacity (all data on it will be destryoed) |
| 18:00.33 | ptrkmj | Diopter: i need to perform the check on lubuntu. so there can't be any missing firmware |
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| 18:00.51 | jstoone | thanks! |
| 18:00.52 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, then, sync and eject the thumb drive, re-plug it, and copy the IOS image to its root directory |
| 18:01.01 | GNU\colossus | ISO image* |
| 18:01.21 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: what do you mean by sync? |
| 18:01.25 | cardamon | Now I'm trying to figure out my display. My non-X terminal (don't have Xorg setup yet) is rather large charecters by default, with a lot of room on the sides. |
| 18:01.26 | GNU\colossus | (the USB image you downloaded is actually a compressed fat filesystem) |
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| 18:01.40 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: Aha, good to know |
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| 18:01.47 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, run `sync` to make sure the data is written from your page cache to the underlying block devices |
| 18:02.15 | jstoone | GNU\colossus: I will! Let the project begin ;) thanks |
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| 18:02.34 | GNU\colossus | jstoone, you're welcome :) |
| 18:02.37 | cardamon | Updating -something- last night I guess put it on a framebuffer that cleaned it up, but that's gone now after a reboot. |
| 18:02.43 | GNU\colossus | hope you wifi works with the new kernel! |
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| 18:03.07 | cardamon | Any idea? |
| 18:03.33 | krisfremen | there's rename.. is there a copy that can use regular expressions? |
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| 18:04.27 | GNU\colossus | krisfremen, what do you want to accomplish? |
| 18:04.34 | alfplayer | krisfremen: perl rename |
| 18:05.35 | Diopter | krisfremen: The 'rename' that comes on my Debian box is the perl-rename tool |
| 18:05.38 | Diopter | Which takes regex |
| 18:06.03 | ptrkmj | Diopter: firmware is only needed by modules i.e. it's kernel related issue? |
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| 18:06.35 | Diopter | ptrkmj: Correct. Modules load firwmare, and like I said, if you modinfo a module, it will show you if it needs firmware, and the filenames |
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| 18:07.36 | krisfremen | GNU\colossus: rename moves the files, I want to copy them |
| 18:08.00 | krisfremen | I know I can copy to another dir and do the rename there, but it put another step that I'd rather avoid |
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| 18:08.13 | krisfremen | puts* |
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| 18:09.43 | ptrkmj | Diopter: just checked my ethernet card module (tg3) and it requires a few firmware .bin files. now, how do i know if the firmware in question is proprietrary (= not included)? |
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| 18:11.47 | karlpinc | ptrkmj: My suspiction is that if you use "apt-cache search <firmwarefilename>" it will tell you if the package it finds is in the main or the non-free section. That's a guess. |
| 18:12.28 | Spec | "firmware-linux-nonfree includes the Tigon tg3 firmware" |
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| 18:13.50 | ptrkmj | dang! |
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| 18:15.24 | superlinux-hp | if I want to make a landline call using a fax modem, just for a normal call, how can I achive that? |
| 18:15.36 | superlinux-hp | i just want to chat with someone |
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| 18:18.13 | karlpinc | superlinux-hp: You just want the modem to dial? |
| 18:18.30 | ptrkmj | karlpinc: you probably meant `dpkg --search' |
| 18:19.36 | karlpinc | ptrkmj: Nope. apt-cache. Something leftover in my brain from upgrades, probably the release notes. I'm under the impression that the filenames (or maybe the device names) are in the textual description. Or something like that. See the squeeze release notes. |
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| 18:26.19 | Sevet | with dpkg-buildpackage, git-buildpackage etc, is there a way to specify where to place the .deb files (instead of the parent directory?) |
| 18:26.27 | thejims | shouldn't i be able to install http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers by doing sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers ? |
| 18:28.27 | karlpinc | thejims: Only if you're running sid. Otherwise, mixing releases is a good way to break your system. (See also http://wiki.debian.org/Debiansoftware) |
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| 18:32.08 | lambda_x | Im using Debian testing, Im unable to connect my sgs2 using USB, today I noticed that Ubuntu 12.04 connection to sgs2 works without any problems. In debian kern.log after connecting device I get "usb 1-3: can't set config #1, error -110" - anybody have some idea what might be the problem? |
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| 18:34.13 | karlpinc | lambda_x: Did you check the bug tracking system? |
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| 18:35.41 | babilen | What is a sgs2? (usb storage? phone? both? something else?) |
| 18:36.09 | GNU\colossus | I'm guessing a mobile phone. |
| 18:37.05 | babilen | It might be a samsung galaxy, but who knows. It might also be a interesting to see the complete dmesg output after plugging in the device |
| 18:37.30 | babilen | Assuming it is an Android phone: Make sure it is *not* in "Charge Only" mode ... yadda yadda yadda |
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| 18:42.19 | zagabar | I am having problems installing nvidia graphics driver for my ASUS u36sg containing an nvidia geforce 610M (and an intel integrated HD thingy). |
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| 18:42.35 | zagabar | I installed the nvidia drivers for 64bit from nvidias site. |
| 18:42.53 | babilen | zagabar: That is, unfortunately, absolutely not supported by us and the worst thing you could have done. |
| 18:42.54 | marcosx86 | hello, anyone have experience with uboot's mkimage? |
| 18:42.56 | babilen | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:42.56 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
| 18:43.13 | marcosx86 | i'm trying to compile a script image but it keeps showing the help |
| 18:43.42 | Diopter | Oh hey look, dpkg already has a factoid for what I have to tell people all the time. |
| 18:43.45 | babilen | zagabar: Use that ^^^ -- You might, however, have to install the drivers from backports (-t squeeze-backports). See "/msg dpkg bdo" for details on backports. If you want to use nvidia drivers (from their site) ask in ##nvidia |
| 18:43.46 | Diopter | Good to know. |
| 18:44.16 | Diopter | Also, you could just use the existing /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 18:44.22 | babilen | no |
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| 18:44.48 | zagabar | babilen: Alright, thanks a lot. :) Does it matter that I am using sid in this issue? |
| 18:44.48 | babilen | Diopter: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is not a directory in which the system administrator should make changes |
| 18:45.18 | Diopter | babilen: Clobbered on upgrades? |
| 18:46.08 | babilen | zagabar: Oh, it does matter a lot. First of all: We have #debian-next on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) for testing/unstable support. Secondly you definitely don't want to use backports on sid, but you want to install the pacakges in sid. (nvidia-kernel-dkms that is) -- Make sure you have the correct metapackage for kernel+headers installed (linux-{image,headers}-ARCH) |
| 18:46.40 | babilen | Diopter: /etc/ is for configuration files that can be changed by the system administrator and creating a directory really isn't that hard ;) |
| 18:47.09 | zagabar | babilen: Ah, sorry for being in the wrong channel and asking about the wrong stuff and all lol. I'll do a clean install and try what you just suggested for better luck. :) |
| 18:47.13 | zagabar | Thanks. |
| 18:47.19 | bolt | note to self: unplugging the mouse, getting a message on irc and attempting to move the pointer to the other screen: unsuccessful |
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| 18:47.34 | babilen | zagabar: FWIW -- The Debian packages should remove the nvidia mess. Try it and see. |
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| 18:47.53 | zagabar | Oh cool. I'll do that then |
| 18:47.53 | babilen | !tell zagabar about remove nvidia |
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| 18:48.24 | babilen | And there's that. But AFAIK there is code in the preinst to handle broken nvidia installations |
| 18:48.48 | zagabar | Ah yep. :) |
| 18:48.51 | lambda_x | karlpinc: but the bug tracking for what? usb-storage? udev? I asked the question because I couldnt resolve it all by myself or googling for the solution |
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| 18:49.41 | Diopter | babilen: I'm aware. But that doesn't actually explain why you shouldn't put something in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ;P The FHS reasoning would be that "usr" should be fairly static outside of package changes. I.e., vendor-controlled files. |
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| 18:50.47 | babilen | Diopter: Exactly -- It also complies with the principle of least surprise (no sane system administrator expects local configuration changes in /usr) and makes it much easier to backup your configuration. |
| 18:50.59 | bolt | how do you tell which driver is being used for the graphics card while in X? |
| 18:51.16 | Diopter | babilen: -nod- Fair enough. I figured maybe there was a more specific reason, but FHS and PoLS works for me :) |
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| 18:51.53 | babilen | bolt: Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" |
| 18:53.15 | bolt | babilen: brilliant. thanks |
| 18:53.23 | babilen | yay :) |
| 18:53.26 | aguitel | anyway to install xfce 4.10 in debian? |
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| 18:54.04 | babilen | aguitel: it's in experimental and might be uploaded to sid soonishā¢ |
| 18:54.07 | babilen | ,v xfce4 |
| 18:54.08 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 18:54.16 | babilen | aguitel: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 18:54.22 | confusid | How do I find which version of php is abailable threw apt-get? |
| 18:54.25 | aguitel | babilen, testing |
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| 18:54.59 | babilen | confusid: "/msg judd v php5", "apt-cache policy php5", "rmadison php5" (from devscripts), http://packages.debian.org, ... |
| 18:55.52 | babilen | aguitel: Well, it is in experimental (I assume for a good reason) -- Wait until it has been uploaded to unstable, set your default release (/msg dpkg tum) and pull it from there. You can try the packages in exp, but that might kill a kitten and your box. |
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| 18:56.32 | aguitel | babilen, ok thanks |
| 18:56.37 | confusid | babilen: ty, could I do that with any package I'm trying to find? |
| 18:56.51 | babilen | aguitel: Also: #debian-next on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) for testing/unstable support. |
| 18:57.13 | babilen | confusid: yes. Note that the first command is an IRC command :) |
| 18:57.32 | confusid | :) |
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| 19:00.30 | sollust | babilen: hello...I was rusty_ yesterday on this irc, asking about the marvell driver |
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| 19:00.52 | sollust | I determined that the card (which I should have looked at first) is a Trendnet wireless ethernet card |
| 19:01.06 | babilen | Yes |
| 19:01.18 | sollust | so I've installed ndiswrapper |
| 19:01.21 | sollust | and it works, sorta |
| 19:01.25 | babilen | didn't we establish that that card isn't supported in Linux (yet) ? |
| 19:01.33 | sollust | b/c it can see the various networks |
| 19:01.34 | babilen | At not not natively |
| 19:01.41 | sollust | yeah, not natively |
| 19:02.06 | babilen | Ah, well. Just finish your story and use the marvel that is punctuation. (in lieu of the enter key) ;) |
| 19:02.10 | sollust | the problem I'm having now is that it hangs in kdenetworkmanager |
| 19:02.30 | superlinux-hp | karlpinc, yes. just call someone instead of a normal phone |
| 19:02.43 | zagabar | How well is the nvidia optimus technology (switchable graphics) working in debian btw? |
| 19:03.03 | babilen | sollust: Hangs how? And I guess that my recommendation stays the same: Gave this one back to the vendor and get a stick that is better supported. |
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| 19:03.29 | sollust | lol ok. I'll do that. So I did a lot of research, and haven't found a solution. For example, I love the little proximity map that tells you the relative strength...but it has icons that I don't know what they mean exactly |
| 19:03.54 | babilen | zagabar: It is a pain AFAIK -- You still have to use third party tools for switching. (based on the now bug-infamous-i-delete-your-/usr/-bumblbee) |
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| 19:04.38 | babilen | sollust: I have never used kdenetworkmanager and can't really help you with that. But how does it "hang" ? |
| 19:05.00 | sollust | babilen: it stops at the "waiting for authorization" step |
| 19:05.16 | zagabar | babilen: Damn then. Might as well for now go with the intel integrated graphics then. It isn't _that_ bad and it consumes less power anyway. And the battery life is less than in windows still, I've heard. |
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| 19:05.47 | Diopter | zagabar: Mine is fantastically better. Mostly because of rc6, fbc and lvds downclocking |
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| 19:07.13 | zagabar | Diopter: Cool! I'll have to try those. What laptop do you have? |
| 19:07.58 | sollust | babilen: i have found a "solution" but it says basically, that I don't have the right version of "Plasma NM", which I don't understand, since I just d/l the latest debian just two days ago |
| 19:08.11 | rainfyre | damn it dpkg, *why* don't you know? |
| 19:08.14 | babilen | zagabar: Well, I bought hardware without NVIDIA optimus GPU for exactly that reason. Note that I haven't played with these tools and the situation might be (a little) better. What I was referring to were: http://bumblebee-project.org/ https://github.com/MrMEEE/ironhide (and others) |
| 19:08.14 | Diopter | zagabar: ThinkPad W520. Quad Core i7, 20GB RAM, SATA III SSD. With the right powersaving stuff in place, onboard Intel graphics only, and low screen brightness, I can get 11-12 hours. |
| 19:08.15 | rainfyre | !remove xfce4 |
| 19:08.17 | pfrost | does anyone know if there's a way to have the boot scripts wait a bit for md raid devices to show up? I'm having an issue where on every reboot the raid is assembled with 2 drives missing, but I can add them as soon as i get to a shell and run "mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --re-add missing". |
| 19:08.39 | pfrost | of course i have to wait for them to rebuild each time, and that's a bit...annoying. |
| 19:08.45 | babilen | sollust: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy" along with your sources.list please? |
| 19:09.02 | sollust | babilen: ok |
| 19:09.39 | babilen | sollust: To http://paste.debian.net please |
| 19:09.57 | sollust | babilen: in a few minutes, I have to get my connectivity back: I took out the other card to make sure I was dealing with the only issue |
| 19:09.59 | stercor | http://pastebin.com/PGG8BbrE GConf error. |
| 19:10.10 | gnarface | ,versions couchbase |
| 19:10.12 | judd | No package named 'couchbase' was found in i386. |
| 19:10.14 | gnarface | ,versions membase |
| 19:10.15 | judd | No package named 'membase' was found in i386. |
| 19:10.21 | gnarface | ,versions membase-server |
| 19:10.23 | judd | No package named 'membase-server' was found in i386. |
| 19:10.23 | babilen | hands gnarface a /msg |
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| 19:10.34 | babilen | !tell gnarface -about search |
| 19:10.36 | zagabar | babilen: I'll have a look, thanks. |
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| 19:10.53 | zagabar | Diopter: Sounds promising. :) What do you get in windows? |
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| 19:11.16 | gnarface | i know about search babilen |
| 19:11.21 | babilen | good |
| 19:11.37 | babilen | zagabar: Which intel GPU do you have and which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 19:13.01 | Diopter | zagabar: I only ran Windows on this box very minimally, but it was 8ish |
| 19:15.42 | zagabar | babilen: I am not sure, there is not much on the internet for this very model and I am under the debian installation atm. But it is an i5 sandy bridge thingy. I'll do an lshw when I have the chance |
| 19:16.07 | zagabar | Diopter: Alright. |
| 19:16.35 | babilen | zagabar: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 19:16.49 | zagabar | babilen: 3.2 kernel with sid |
| 19:16.50 | babilen | zagabar: Ah, nvm |
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| 19:16.57 | babilen | Yeah, I remembered :) |
| 19:17.01 | zagabar | :) |
| 19:18.31 | zagabar | Someone told me the battery life of this one is problematic due to the nvidia GPU still being active, draining power even if it isn't used since the linux architecture doesn't handle the whole switching deal very well, or something like that |
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| 19:18.55 | zagabar | And that there was a semi-dead project up that aimed to provide means to disable the nvidia gpu. |
| 19:19.15 | babilen | That is most likely the case, yes. |
| 19:19.15 | zagabar | hd3000 is the intel gpu it seems. |
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| 19:19.22 | Diopter | zagabar: acpi_call can do that, generally |
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| 19:20.01 | marcosx86 | can anyone help me about building a u-boot script? |
| 19:20.12 | sollust | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/168368/ and http://paste.debian.net/168369/ |
| 19:20.19 | zagabar | Diopter: Do you think it would be cabable of doing that in this case? |
| 19:20.23 | marcosx86 | here is what i get http://pastebin.com/WitzRQ7i |
| 19:20.42 | zagabar | A bit unfortunate I must say. Because I value battery life. :) And having to switch into windows to preserve it doesn't seem appealing. |
| 19:20.45 | Diopter | zagabar: Don't know what machine you have! If you can't disable it in the BIOS, acpi_call is probably your only option. |
| 19:21.00 | zagabar | I wonder if this situation will improve. |
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| 19:21.41 | zagabar | Diopter: Ah of course. xD ASUS u36sg in any case. i5 sandy bridge with intel HD3000 graphics + nvidia geforce 610M. |
| 19:22.07 | Diopter | zagabar: Try googling for acpi_call geforce 610m |
| 19:22.14 | Diopter | Or any similar geforce in that range. |
| 19:22.29 | zagabar | Okay thanks. |
| 19:23.01 | babilen | sollust: Sorry, I have to leave now and I am not sure why you get that plasma error. (My initial suspicion has not been confirmed) -- You might, however, want to play a little with your sources.list -- Read "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" for a short overview. |
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| 19:23.19 | babilen | also recommends http://debian-handbook.info/ to everyone |
| 19:23.35 | sollust | babilen: thank you so much! |
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| 19:23.45 | sollust | have a great day! (or night, as it were) |
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| 19:24.04 | babilen | sollust: evening (BST) :) |
| 19:24.07 | marcosx86 | can anyone help me about building a u-boot script? here is what i get http://pastebin.com/WitzRQ7i |
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| 19:25.06 | dizzylizzy | I dumped the output from my craaazy dependency/configuration errors from a dist-upgrade, and traced it aaaall back to apt being unable to remove the folder '/var/lib/defoma/fontconfid.' because it wasn't empty :P |
| 19:25.12 | dizzylizzy | so I removed it and everything worked perfectly |
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| 19:26.37 | blast_hardcheese | So, as I've been spending more time in virtual terminals, I've gotten more and more annoyed with things that think it's OK to just log in the middle of whatever I'm doing. The most frustrating thing is anacron, which seems to restart itself every 30 minutes or so (haven't figured out why), but samba restarts when an interface is brought up or down |
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| 19:27.30 | da78 | marcosx86: maybe try it in #arm channel |
| 19:27.32 | blast_hardcheese | Is this a known issue with the lsb-style init scripts, or is this something that could be fixed by reconfiguring my syslog? |
| 19:27.56 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: why do you think its a problem that samba reloads when interfaces are brought up or down? |
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| 19:28.08 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: I don't think that's a problem at all |
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| 19:28.30 | blast_hardcheese | I just don't like seeing "Starting samba... OK" in the middle of whatever I'm doing |
| 19:28.34 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: whats a problem then? anacron? |
| 19:28.38 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: ok |
| 19:28.40 | blast_hardcheese | also not all programs respond well to ctrl-l |
| 19:28.55 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: what did you do to make those messages spawn on your VT ? |
| 19:29.24 | blast_hardcheese | If I did something it was a very long time ago, afaict this has always been like this |
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| 19:29.35 | blast_hardcheese | This is an etch -> lenny -> testing box, so there might be some cruft |
| 19:29.41 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: syslog can optionally write log messages to any VT |
| 19:29.53 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: but that is not nor has it ever been the default |
| 19:30.00 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: Well, I've got rsyslog installed |
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| 19:30.07 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: same deal |
| 19:30.16 | blast_hardcheese | I stopped the process and I'm still getting stuff logged to the consoles |
| 19:30.37 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: show us how its logged |
| 19:30.41 | blast_hardcheese | not sure if when rsyslog starts it writes its config to the kernel or something |
| 19:30.45 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry? |
| 19:30.46 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: a paste or a screenshot |
| 19:30.53 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, alright |
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| 19:31.11 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: syslog does not write its config, you wrote it |
| 19:31.24 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: ( or someone else wrote it ) |
| 19:31.31 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: My guess is the package maintainer |
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| 19:31.52 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: hes responsible for the default anyway |
| 19:32.10 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: this shouldnt be logged to all VT, just to one |
| 19:32.15 | blast_hardcheese | What's the utility to dump whatever's on a virtual terminal? I thought it was dumpvt but I must be misremembering |
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| 19:32.47 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: That's what I thought, but another friend of mine is having the exact same problem. It's an even bigger problem for him, since he's blind. |
| 19:33.09 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: a VT is just a character device, its as good as any other character device to rsyslog, the "point" is up to you |
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| 19:33.26 | stercor | Would someone please look at http://pastebin.com/PGG8BbrE It's a show-stopper. |
| 19:33.51 | valdyn | stercor: on which debian release? |
| 19:34.09 | valdyn | stercor: nevermind, join #debian-next |
| 19:34.13 | stercor | sid. |
| 19:34.21 | stercor | k. |
| 19:34.48 | stercor | Window new |
| 19:34.48 | valdyn | stercor: on oftc I think |
| 19:34.49 | stercor | Window new |
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| 19:37.12 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2012-05-11/anacron-nonsense.txt |
| 19:37.35 | blast_hardcheese | That was on vt3 |
| 19:37.54 | blast_hardcheese | well, tty3 |
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| 19:39.30 | blast_hardcheese | The thing about rsyslog's config is that I don't see where it specifies "write to all consoles" |
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| 19:45.42 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: thats not your logging daemon |
| 19:45.57 | blast_hardcheese | ah, what is it? |
| 19:46.15 | daemon | well im daemon and im logging |
| 19:46.18 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: init does that, but only when you change runlevel |
| 19:46.18 | daemon | 8) |
| 19:46.35 | blast_hardcheese | daemon: har :) |
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| 19:46.58 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: I'm only unplugging and replugging my AC |
| 19:47.29 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: so you already know how to trigger this? |
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| 19:48.22 | blast_hardcheese | I know what I do to make it happen, yes. Why it happens, I don't know. |
| 19:48.50 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: this should be an acpi even that is triggering acpid, which runs a script |
| 19:49.15 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: but that does not explain why its spamming your VT |
| 19:49.22 | blast_hardcheese | right |
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| 19:50.33 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: i dont know except that you can debug the script and see what its doing |
| 19:51.19 | blast_hardcheese | Where can I find the script? (guessing the ACPI script), I was looking at udev |
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| 19:52.41 | Cryp71c | Does anyone know if something marked as being "intended" for "Red Hat Linux" can still operate fine in other unix distros, given that the necessary libs are satisfied? |
| 19:53.19 | blast_hardcheese | Cryp71c: Depends on what it is, I've gone the other way before with reasonable success |
| 19:53.26 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: "find /etc/ -name *.dpkg-dist" <- show us output of that command |
| 19:53.29 | blast_hardcheese | I built dpkg on centos |
| 19:53.42 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: ah, good point. hold |
| 19:53.46 | valdyn | Cryp71c: it works fine usually |
| 19:54.27 | Cryp71c | hrm, on another note, is it normal for a debian installation to have a lib, lib32 and lib64 in / ? |
| 19:54.33 | valdyn | Cryp71c: yes |
| 19:54.39 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: Nothing |
| 19:54.57 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: ok, thats ok then |
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| 19:56.43 | Cryp71c | valdyn, k, one more (and its a big one) question, I'm trying to use a command (isql) to connect to a DSN and the driver file is coming up as "file not found" but I can cat/ls the file it gives me just fine..any idea (from either personal experience or a general *nix standpoint) why a file not found would be thrown for a file which is clearly there? I've already checked permissions (755) which aren't the issue (furthermore, goo |
| 19:56.43 | Cryp71c | gle gave me that if they were, I'd be getting "Access Denied" instead of file not found) |
| 19:57.09 | valdyn | Cryp71c: use "strace -eopen" |
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| 19:58.25 | valdyn | Cryp71c: or "strace -eopen isql 2>&1 | grep filename" |
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| 19:59.13 | Cryp71c | valdyn, not sure I'm using strace correctly, but I'm checking man / help docs and I don't see anything for -eopen, I do see the "-e" flag but thats it. |
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| 19:59.44 | Cryp71c | nvm |
| 19:59.45 | Cryp71c | got it |
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| 20:00.21 | skutr34 | Hi. I was wondering if it was possible to do a netinstall over a wireless network with WPA2 encryption... |
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| 20:01.12 | Cryp71c | skutr34, sure, you're biggest issue is probably going to be getting on the WPA2 network from a netinstall image, I would guess. |
| 20:01.16 | valdyn | Cryp71c: its possible that you need -f too |
| 20:01.42 | blast_hardcheese | Cryp71c =~ s/you're/your/; |
| 20:01.52 | skutr34 | Cryp71c: That was the issue I was having. |
| 20:01.56 | Diopter | skutr34: I've done it a few times, actually. If your netinstall has the right firmware/modules for your wireless, you're golden. |
| 20:02.51 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: Even if you don't have the right firmware/modules for your nic, you can still stick them on a flash drive and load them from there |
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| 20:04.00 | skutr34 | okay |
| 20:04.16 | Diopter | ^ |
| 20:04.53 | skutr34 | Stupid question: Where would I get the firmware/modules? |
| 20:04.53 | blast_hardcheese | If your machine is really fancy, you might even be able to PXE boot from wireless. Modern EFI systems are getting pretty crazy. |
| 20:05.22 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: You'd install the package that provides the firmware/modules, then dpkg -L to see where they were put |
| 20:05.30 | blast_hardcheese | (dpkg -L <pkgname>) |
| 20:05.44 | blast_hardcheese | So just find what package provides the firmware for your nic and you're good |
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| 20:06.28 | skutr34 | all right |
| 20:07.11 | Diopter | skutr34: Generally speaking, it'll be firmware-<something> for the package, and firmware files go in /lib/firmware/ |
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| 20:08.29 | Cryp71c | valdyn, looks like its searching for crypto files (libcrypto.so.6) in a bunch of different places, not finding any of them, and then dying. |
| 20:08.38 | Cryp71c | Perhaps I'll try to compile freetds as an odbc pdo library and use it. |
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| 20:08.53 | Cryp71c | Thanks for that strace, that is quite useful for uncovering the mysteries. |
| 20:09.28 | skutr34 | okay |
| 20:09.32 | valdyn | Cryp71c: a rename can fix that, if you can figure out what libcrypto it means |
| 20:10.31 | Cryp71c | valdyn, how can I know that? I mean, I can see the series of directories its trying, but I can only presume that these directories are based on how RedHat installs / places the libcrypto libs |
| 20:10.35 | KeatonT | sounds like ssl isn't installed... |
| 20:10.45 | KeatonT | but I guess that would have already been thought of. |
| 20:10.49 | valdyn | Cryp71c: its probably libssl |
| 20:11.20 | Cryp71c | libssl0.9.8 is already installed |
| 20:11.40 | valdyn | Cryp71c: sure, but not with a file named like that |
| 20:11.53 | skutr34 | Diopter: So, I will have to install the package from the image? I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. |
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| 20:12.22 | valdyn | Cryp71c: its probably libssl0.9.6 its looking for in a really stupid way |
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| 20:13.03 | valdyn | Cryp71c: doesnt mean your 0.9.8 cant work |
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| 20:13.19 | valdyn | Cryp71c: but Im sure this is completely unsupported anyway |
| 20:13.48 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2012-05-11/anacron-trace.dump |
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| 20:14.04 | blast_hardcheese | That's the trace of what calls the initscript that logs to my console |
| 20:14.17 | blast_hardcheese | (best viewed with less -r) |
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| 20:14.51 | blast_hardcheese | Hopefully that makes more sense to you than it does me |
| 20:15.06 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: I'm a bit confused as to the source of the package that contains the firmware. Is it the net install image? |
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| 20:15.18 | nitzs | os-prober isn't detecting ubuntu 12.04. has anyone else had this issue? |
| 20:15.20 | Diopter | skutr34: Ok, step one, what kind of wireless card do you have? |
| 20:15.40 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: it just doesnt tell us something really new |
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| 20:16.43 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: just confirms the assumption that acpid is starting power.sh which then does its job ... |
| 20:17.41 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: What's weird is that when I call power.sh, nothing happens. I've read the script, I can't see where anything actually happens |
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| 20:17.58 | somiaj | not use to parsing the output from smartmontools, I think this drive is bad just want to doublecheck if someone wants to look at the logs, http://paste.debian.net/168379/ |
| 20:18.04 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: What's your nic? |
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| 20:18.15 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: i cant help you if you cant understand those scripts by reading them |
| 20:18.22 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: its to much work via irc |
| 20:18.30 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: Understood. |
| 20:18.38 | blast_hardcheese | Thanks for getting me this far |
| 20:18.45 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: power.sh probably probes the AC status before doing anything |
| 20:18.46 | skutr34 | one second |
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| 20:19.04 | nitzs | os-prober isn't detecting ubuntu 12.04. has anyone else had this issue? |
| 20:19.27 | somiaj | nitzs: do you have your ubuntu /boot partition mounted somehwere? |
| 20:19.28 | blast_hardcheese | nitzs: Ask in #*buntu? |
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| 20:19.51 | nitzs | somiaj: no |
| 20:19.54 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: os-prober is a debian tool to detect other oses (assuming he is actually running debian) |
| 20:20.14 | somiaj | nitzs: I belive that is how it parses for other oses, it looks for a mounted partition that has a /boot in it |
| 20:20.17 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: Isn't os-prober supposed to find unmounted OS' as well? It probes windows just fine |
| 20:20.20 | somiaj | nitzs: not sure on the exact details. |
| 20:20.22 | valdyn | nitzs: is it detecting something else instead? |
| 20:20.29 | ionte | hi. i'm installing debian on a HP N40L with two identical hard drives. But when partitioning (manually) only the first is visible. any ideas? when i ran the installer a while ago (and aborted) both were available ... |
| 20:20.48 | nitzs | somiaj: it was working perfectly until i did an upgrade today. |
| 20:20.53 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: hmm, not sure how it can find the kernels of another distro with out mounting the partition for access to /boot -- but I have little experince with it |
| 20:20.57 | somiaj | nitzs: are you running testing? |
| 20:21.00 | valdyn | nitzs: i assume you fucked the boot loader of that ubuntu, so it cannot be detected |
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| 20:21.17 | nitzs | no i'm on stable |
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| 20:21.41 | nitzs | valdyn: i don't think i did anything of that sorts |
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| 20:22.50 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: Ralink RT5390 Wireless |
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| 20:24.28 | nitzs | okay. i did an update-grub again now. it magically worked. weird. |
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| 20:25.45 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: Ralink RT5390 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter |
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| 20:25.53 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: hold please |
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| 20:28.16 | blast_hardcheese | dpkg: tell skutr34 about realtek |
| 20:29.15 | blast_hardcheese | oh, ralink |
| 20:29.20 | blast_hardcheese | somehow read realtek |
| 20:29.34 | blast_hardcheese | Makes sense why I couldn't find the model number :) |
| 20:29.57 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: Anyway, if you ask dpkg about ralink it should help (if you haven't done so already) |
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| 20:32.02 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: So, I traced it out further; I've found that the lsb init-functions just echo wherever you are. I guess I was expecting those messages to be caught by syslog, but this is a difference in philosophy issue, not necessarily a bug. |
| 20:32.22 | blast_hardcheese | If I didn't execute the command, I should not get the result imho |
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| 20:34.22 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: the question is why the echo is not being redirected to a sane file like /dev/null |
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| 20:35.49 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: This I cannot say. When I run acpid in debug/verbose logging mode I see "BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES" anacron... "END HANDLER MESSAGES" |
| 20:36.12 | blast_hardcheese | so anacron is a handler, but acpid should be redirecting all the output to its own internal log |
| 20:36.18 | blast_hardcheese | I guess this is an acpid bug |
| 20:36.57 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: yes, probably |
| 20:37.13 | Floyd42 | Hi folks. I have a q: when i'm downloading a torrent, there's a process called "ping" which continuously runs along with the torrent, it keeps pinging random ip's. is this normal? is this safe? |
| 20:37.33 | blast_hardcheese | Alright, to bugreport I go |
| 20:37.41 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: Thanks a bunch for the help |
| 20:37.48 | valdyn | Floyd42: are we supposed to know which torrent program you are using? |
| 20:37.51 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: welcome |
| 20:37.59 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: Please pardon my stupidity, but I have the information I need. I am still confused, however, about how to install this package. I'm trying to connect to my wireless network (encrypted with WPA2). How will I be able to download the package if I don't have an Internet connection? |
| 20:38.06 | Floyd42 | valdyn: i'm using Tixati p2p client |
| 20:38.27 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: Ah, my apologies; I was assuming you already have a functioning debian box. |
| 20:38.35 | valdyn | Floyd42: thats not in debian, ask the vendor |
| 20:38.45 | blast_hardcheese | What package is it? I'll install it, unpack the drivers, then upload it for you as a zip or something. |
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| 20:39.16 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: it's firmware-ralink |
| 20:39.21 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: hold |
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| 20:40.15 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: And you're sure 5390 is supported by this? |
| 20:40.28 | skutr34 | according to dpkg |
| 20:40.32 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: ^ |
| 20:40.57 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: Alright. Is a zip alright? |
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| 20:42.20 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2012-05-11/firmware-ralink.zip Those are all the files in firmware-ralink |
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| 20:43.06 | blast_hardcheese | If you extract them and stick them on a flash drive, you should be able to load them in the installer to get your network card up and running |
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| 20:54.14 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: Thanks. |
| 20:54.40 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: Just extract to a flash drive? |
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| 20:58.39 | blast_hardcheese | skutr34: Yes, ext or fat32 I suspect |
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| 21:11.23 | tdm4 | hi.. can anyone here run me through compiling my own lib32asound2-plugins package? Wheezy/sid appear to have none, and I need a lib32asound2-plugins 1.0.25-1 (or whatever matches the libasound2 packages) |
| 21:12.14 | tdm4 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663715 <- this bug is a major showstopper for me as it basically screws up WINE |
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| 21:15.06 | skutr34 | blast_hardcheese: okay, I ran the install CD, and it did not recognize the files on my flash drive and said that I need this file: rtl_nic/rtl8105C-1.fw |
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| 21:22.36 | dizzylizzy | Mmmk! So I just upgraded to wheezy, and I'd like to revert back to metacity instead of gnome-shell. When I run the gconftool command found here (http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell) I get the error message with concludes with "Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running" |
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| 21:22.58 | dizzylizzy | `ps ax |grep dbus` reveals dbus-daemon running |
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| 21:27.29 | blast_hardcheese | dizzylizzy: Are you running that from within gnome? |
| 21:27.33 | dizzylizzy | I see. |
| 21:27.48 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
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| 21:31.38 | tmg | any of debian distro devels here or it is just funboy # ? |
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| 21:31.56 | anadon | How do I connect to a wired 802.x network via cli? |
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| 21:33.30 | kesroesweyth | iwconfig |
| 21:34.20 | kesroesweyth | @anadon |
| 21:34.22 | anadon | kesroesweyth: iwconfig is not installed for a minimal install |
| 21:34.34 | kesroesweyth | install it? |
| 21:35.03 | anadon | if I can't connect to the internet, how do I install it? |
| 21:35.04 | kesroesweyth | oh wait, you said wired.. |
| 21:35.08 | kesroesweyth | read wireless |
| 21:35.09 | anadon | yes |
| 21:35.16 | kesroesweyth | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:35.19 | tdm4 | is it safe to convert to multiarch debian? I'm running amd64 now |
| 21:35.20 | anadon | wired as in ethernet |
| 21:35.25 | Diopter | Oh, I misread that too. |
| 21:35.35 | kesroesweyth | Diopter I feel better now. xD |
| 21:35.41 | Diopter | lol |
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| 21:35.53 | anadon | kesroesweyth: then? |
| 21:35.57 | kesroesweyth | no one really says 802.x or 802.3, so I see 802 and think 802.11 |
| 21:36.21 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: Exactly. I was thinking 802.x = 802.11, or 802.1x |
| 21:36.28 | kesroesweyth | anadon, specify your network parameters |
| 21:36.30 | Diopter | Which... does actually exist for wired, but is wonky |
| 21:36.43 | kesroesweyth | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:36.53 | kesroesweyth | and auto eth0 |
| 21:36.53 | anadon | kesroesweyth: username and password using PEAP |
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| 21:36.58 | kesroesweyth | will probably get you going |
| 21:37.07 | Diopter | Hah! So you DO mean 802.1x! |
| 21:37.13 | kesroesweyth | hehe |
| 21:37.20 | anadon | yeah.... |
| 21:37.26 | anadon | facepalm |
| 21:37.33 | kesroesweyth | well ethernet itself is 802.3 and i think most people use that term to mean wired network, but that's not entirely accurate, I don't think. |
| 21:38.01 | anadon | I need the authentication of 802.x PEAP |
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| 21:38.39 | kesroesweyth | hrm |
| 21:38.49 | kesroesweyth | Isn't that typically used for wifi? |
| 21:38.53 | Diopter | anadon: Not 802.x. 802.1x. |
| 21:39.03 | anadon | yes, but my uni is weird |
| 21:39.15 | Diopter | You can actually use wpa_supplicant to do it, oddly. |
| 21:39.18 | Diopter | http://www.stevens.edu/itwiki/w/index.php/Linux_802.1x#Wired_802.1x for instance |
| 21:39.26 | gnarface | ... LASERS! |
| 21:39.41 | kesroesweyth | I wonder if you need wpa_supplicant.. |
| 21:39.46 | tmg | tdm4: as if you backup files then it will be safe :) |
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| 21:39.52 | kesroesweyth | oh shit. I'm way behind Diopter |
| 21:39.52 | gnarface | predicts a revival in serial networking |
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| 21:40.06 | anadon | Diopter: also not installed |
| 21:40.06 | kesroesweyth | Diopter that actually works? |
| 21:40.26 | kesroesweyth | anadon download source to flash, copy over, compile? |
| 21:40.36 | Diopter | anadon: You're trying to do something *very* non-standard on a bare minimum install. Expect difficulty :P |
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| 21:40.40 | Diopter | anadon: not sure what to tell you :P |
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| 21:40.50 | tdm4 | tmg: oh fab... |
| 21:41.07 | anadon | FUUUUUUU |
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| 21:42.05 | anadon | maybe arch will give me the needed initial install support |
| 21:42.07 | anadon | :P |
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| 21:42.31 | TomyLobo | how did pastebinning from command line work again? |
| 21:42.32 | Diopter | Mmhmm. |
| 21:42.44 | TomyLobo | something with netcat |
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| 21:42.47 | TomyLobo | but i forgot the port |
| 21:42.57 | dizzylizzy | I'm in a tty now so I can start/stop gdm if needed and not lose IRC. I updated to wheezy with the intention of staying with metacity because this computer is fairly poor, especially with graphics. Gnome3 currently looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/HxHXx.png , and I seem unable to rever to metacity. Following instructions on the Debian wiki, I told gconftool to change the windowmanager to metacity, and when I logged back in it was still gnom |
| 21:43.11 | _estif_ | Is there a program I can use to see what is making the hard disk churn on my web server? |
| 21:43.42 | Diopter | _estif_: Lots. iostat, iotop, ps, top... |
| 21:44.04 | _estif_ | Diopter what is the best way to do it? I don't understand how to do it with top |
| 21:44.56 | _estif_ | Diopter: for example which column is hard disk reads on top? |
| 21:45.04 | tmg | tdm4: and seriously there is no danger, no other than just something will not work as it should... you will not loose any data :) |
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| 21:46.30 | Diopter | _estif_: There isn't one, but, you can correlate information to track things down. Like, for instance, finding processes with high system or IO wait or soft interrupts, possibly in D state |
| 21:46.39 | Diopter | _estif_: iotop will be your easiest approach |
| 21:47.05 | _estif_ | Diopter: installing iostat and iotop now to take a look |
| 21:47.23 | dizzylizzy | perhaps I should try the installing wheezy from the wheezy netinstall instead of upgrading. Perhaps there's some configuration error that's not going to let me change window managers |
| 21:47.47 | _estif_ | Diopter: but apt-get install is taking ages too. There is nothing in auth.log so I'm not being ssh brute forced like normal... |
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| 21:48.21 | Diopter | _estif_: Have you checked top's per-core breakdown to see what's going on in general? |
| 21:48.29 | Diopter | (Hit "1" to show cores) |
| 21:48.48 | kesroesweyth | _estif_ htop is also kind of nice |
| 21:48.56 | Diopter | Indeed it is |
| 21:49.01 | _estif_ | Diopter: cpu is 0 and iowait is 97%! |
| 21:49.09 | _estif_ | kesroesweyth: I love htop |
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| 21:49.13 | kesroesweyth | :0 |
| 21:49.14 | Diopter | _estif_: Good. I mean, terrible, but, good to know. |
| 21:49.17 | kesroesweyth | :)* |
| 21:49.25 | Diopter | _estif_: Can you see which process is in D state near the top? |
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| 21:50.25 | _estif_ | Diopter: how do I see the state? |
| 21:50.34 | Diopter | _estif_: It's the "S" column in top :) |
| 21:50.40 | Diopter | subtle, but definitely there |
| 21:50.41 | _estif_ | Diopter: also I have iostat but I don't know how to see the processes |
| 21:50.48 | Diopter | Try iotop first |
| 21:50.56 | _estif_ | Diopter: its sendmail_mta |
| 21:51.13 | _estif_ | Diopter: about 5 instances |
| 21:51.14 | Diopter | Neat. Go check its logs, see what's going on there |
| 21:51.28 | _estif_ | Diopter: what does 'D' mean then? |
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| 21:52.01 | tmg | d like dead, defunced |
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| 21:52.46 | _estif_ | Diopter: it just says grew Worklist for /var/spool/memqueue to .... |
| 21:52.55 | _estif_ | Diopter: over and over again! |
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| 21:53.16 | Diopter | _estif_: D means it's waiting on a device to return control to the process; aka, IO Wait |
| 21:53.32 | Diopter | _estif_: So when you see high IOW, look for D states. Good place to start |
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| 21:53.42 | _estif_ | Diopter: makes sense! |
| 21:54.49 | _estif_ | Diopter: Do you know much about send mail? Do you think it is safe to just remove it? |
| 21:55.03 | _estif_ | Diopter: Or is there a way to disable it |
| 21:55.49 | _estif_ | Diopter: The only thing that should be using it at the moment it cron. I would like to receive the cron emails but I don't understand what it is doing now |
| 21:56.07 | kesroesweyth | _estif_ chkconfig --del sendmail (maybe?) |
| 21:56.21 | kesroesweyth | wait maybe thats redhat |
| 21:56.22 | Diopter | chkconfig, eh? Are we on a RHEL box? |
| 21:56.24 | Diopter | lol |
| 21:56.32 | kesroesweyth | been a loooong time xD |
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| 21:57.08 | Diopter | _estif_: So... you can certainly swap out sendmail for other mtas |
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| 21:57.27 | kesroesweyth | Diopter postfix? |
| 21:57.32 | Diopter | _estif_: Including the bit lighter weight exim4. Perhaps it would suit the content you're moving around better |
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| 21:57.46 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: Postfix is the 9000lb gorilla for just sending cron emails ;P |
| 21:57.58 | kesroesweyth | Diopter ah |
| 21:58.17 | _estif_ | Diopter: I think I put sendmail on there because it was easy to set up |
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| 21:58.22 | TomyLobo | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ea17e717 |
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| 21:58.46 | _estif_ | Diopter: postfix and exim are a bit complicated (I have postfix on my web hosting on another box though) |
| 21:58.51 | Diopter | _estif_: Ah |
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| 21:59.08 | _estif_ | Diopter: apt-get remove is taking a looong time! |
| 21:59.22 | stercor | Where is the #debian-new channel? I'm on FreeNode. |
| 21:59.32 | TomyLobo | ah crap, why isnt there any error in this |
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| 22:00.04 | Diopter | _estif_: Why don't you pkill -9 sendmail_mta first? |
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| 22:00.19 | Diopter | _estif_: Your performance is going to blow until the process is dead :P |
| 22:00.44 | _estif_ | Diopter: this thing seems to keep coming back from the dead! |
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| 22:01.06 | Diopter | _estif_: Probably getting respawned from a harness process of a different name |
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| 22:01.13 | Diopter | _estif_: pgrep -fl mail |
| 22:01.45 | Diopter | _estif_: If everything in that list looks related to sendmail, you can pkill -9 -f $(pgrep mail) |
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| 22:02.17 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 22:02.27 | stercor | Here's a gconf error that's a show-stopper: http://pastebin.com/xWkSfpwm |
| 22:02.42 | TomyLobo | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dd8cef35/ This is what i get when doing the steps described in the "squeeze->wheezy" factoid. I've asked this earlier and someone gave me another factoid that didnt work either. i think it was !immediate-configure |
| 22:02.47 | sideup66 | im having a bit of a dumb moment in debian squeeze, im trying to setup samba shares in it and for some reason I cant turn off the home directories |
| 22:02.48 | _estif_ | Diopter: I am going to reboot it now I have removed it. It's my router so my internet will die for a few minutes |
| 22:02.54 | _estif_ | Diopter: Brb |
| 22:03.08 | sideup66 | I know its a simple procedure that has to be burried in the depths of smb.conf but im overlooking, can anyone point me to it |
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| 22:03.46 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to update from squeeze to wheezy (obviously :)) and as it is now, apt refuses to even update one single package |
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| 22:04.54 | sideup66 | erm anyone |
| 22:05.01 | sideup66 | gotta be a way to turn off home folder sharing |
| 22:05.26 | Diopter | sideup66: Yes. Have you searched for "home" in smb.conf? |
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| 22:05.51 | sideup66 | dipoter: yes. I found the homes bit |
| 22:05.54 | _estif_ | Diopter: Ok I'm back and my server is a little bit quieter now! |
| 22:06.01 | Diopter | _estif_: wootz0r |
| 22:06.27 | Diopter | TomyLobo: try apt-get -f install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0, then apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 22:06.30 | sideup66 | Diopter: It says homes, comments = home directories and browsable is set to no...yet i can still see em |
| 22:06.41 | TomyLobo | 0? i tried 'no' |
| 22:06.48 | Diopter | sideup66: maybe try commenting the whole section |
| 22:07.08 | _estif_ | Diopter: I still don't really understand what was going on though - I can't see what could have been trying to access it |
| 22:07.31 | sideup66 | thats all that is under homes then it has some comments and more stuff about directory masks and such |
| 22:07.36 | Diopter | _estif_: Not sure. We didn't really investigate it that much. |
| 22:07.49 | sideup66 | diopeter: am i commenting all of that too? |
| 22:08.08 | Diopter | sideup66: Up to you. So long as all of it's got a # in front :P |
| 22:08.08 | TomyLobo | Diopter the command with -f does nothing |
| 22:08.31 | TomyLobo | 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove, 1738 not upgraded |
| 22:08.44 | _estif_ | Diopter: I don't think anyone could have been abusing my sendmail install because of my firewall. If someone was using to to send emails they would be using the smtp port right? |
| 22:08.46 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Try apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0, perhaps. |
| 22:08.52 | sideup66 | diopter: ok, :p This is just annoying, I switched here from ubuntu because Its being setup for a home server and it didnt seem to know how to override a hiccup in raid1 |
| 22:08.57 | Diopter | _estif_: In theory yes |
| 22:09.15 | TomyLobo | Diopter isnt that dangerous? |
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| 22:09.41 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Could be! Let's look into exactly what it does more |
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| 22:09.59 | TomyLobo | Diopter apparently, nothing. same error |
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| 22:10.06 | sideup66 | diopter: nope. stil there :( |
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| 22:10.52 | sideup66 | diopter: yes before you ask im restarting the service each time from a root terminal using the service command to restart samba ;) |
| 22:11.17 | Diopter | mmm |
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| 22:12.18 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Maybe try upgrading that specific package first. |
| 22:12.37 | Diopter | TomyLobo: apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc |
| 22:12.47 | TomyLobo | Diopter already tried. iirc same error, if i try with the -o thing, same error on a different package |
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| 22:13.25 | TomyLobo | kde-plasma-netbook |
| 22:13.37 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Actually... try upgrading dpkg first |
| 22:14.09 | TomyLobo | hehe |
| 22:14.23 | byuu | In Squeeze, I get a generic file icon for .tar.xz, but not for .tar.bz2. I verified I have x-xz.xml and x-xz-compressed-tar.xml in /usr/share/mime/application, ran update-mime-database $PWD, restarted to no avail. Using Thunar to browse files, file --mime-type test.tar.xz shows application/x-xz as type. |
| 22:14.28 | byuu | Any ideas? :/ |
| 22:14.31 | TomyLobo | hmm i dont even *have* kde-plasma-netbook |
| 22:14.38 | blast_hardcheese | just discovered that ffmpeg does image reencodes as well |
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| 22:14.53 | blast_hardcheese | is excited |
| 22:14.54 | TomyLobo | oh that makes sense... dpkg has no deps |
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| 22:15.30 | sideup66 | is there anywhere maybe I can just download a clean smb.conf file and force the stupid thing to just start over? |
| 22:15.31 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 22:15.34 | TomyLobo | Diopter without all options, same error |
| 22:15.52 | Diopter | TomyLobo: apt-get install dpkg gives you errors? |
| 22:15.56 | TomyLobo | no |
| 22:15.58 | TomyLobo | that works |
| 22:16.02 | TomyLobo | installed correctly and all |
| 22:16.12 | Diopter | Cool. So then the dist-upgrade doesn't |
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| 22:16.23 | TomyLobo | nope |
| 22:16.26 | zmitya | is there a helper tool/toolset in squeeze to help maintain my own root CA and certs ? |
| 22:16.44 | _estif_ | Diopter: I am sure that port 25 is blocked by my router so I don't think it's an outside attack |
| 22:16.49 | blast_hardcheese | sideup66: /usr/share/samba/smb.conf ? |
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| 22:16.54 | blast_hardcheese | That should be unmodified |
| 22:17.09 | sideup66 | hmm never checked in that folder :/ |
| 22:17.10 | _estif_ | Diopter: I also looked in my emails and I no longer get cron emails from that server so I guess I can just leave it turned off |
| 22:17.15 | sideup66 | didnt know we had 2 hiding places now |
| 22:17.17 | blast_hardcheese | then there's everything in /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/ (provided by samba-doc) |
| 22:17.18 | _estif_ | Diopter: Its a mystery what it was doing though! |
| 22:17.27 | blast_hardcheese | sideup66: "hiding places" |
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| 22:17.55 | blast_hardcheese | Don't try and remember all the places where people can put files, since people are people and can make mistakes. Get good at querying the dpkg database. |
| 22:18.16 | blast_hardcheese | dpkg -S smb.conf |
| 22:18.16 | dpkg | There is no record of a smb.conf package |
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| 22:18.37 | sideup66 | blast: yeah im a bit stumped, maybe theres a phantom file its using im not aware of! |
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| 22:18.49 | TomyLobo | hey, i can update make and pkg-config, if that helps :D |
| 22:18.53 | sideup66 | those arent the droids im looking for! (sorry had to say it) |
| 22:19.18 | Diopter | _estif_: hehe |
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| 22:20.44 | _estif_ | Diopter: Well thanks so much for your help |
| 22:21.05 | _estif_ | Diopter: I tried asking in the Ubuntu channel first but they were all hopeless! |
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| 22:21.55 | Diopter | I will reserve my comments on that :P |
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| 22:23.25 | ionte | ok, so i've installed a new server with raid, and there's no problem until installing grub. i tried installing to MBR but i get a fatal error. i tried other places as well (hd0), (hd0,1) with the same outcome. any ideas?! |
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| 22:25.24 | Diopter | ionte: Did you RAID wherever /boot is located? If so, did you make that a RAID 1? |
| 22:25.33 | karsten | ionte: How is the RAID specified? HW or SW RAID? |
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| 22:26.47 | TomyLobo | Diopter do you have any other ideas on how to solve my upgrade problem? |
| 22:26.52 | karsten | ionte: If it's HW RAID, the array should be presented as a device to the OS and AFAIU to GRUB as well. With SW RAID, it'/s typical to use RAID 1 and provide a separate mirrored boot array/device, using whatever RAID scheme you want for primary system / data devices. |
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| 22:27.24 | ptrkmj | is there any specific reason that debian is not listed on gnu's free distros page? http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
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| 22:28.08 | dawud | karsten: FWIW, the debian installer fails to install grub if /boot is a soft RAID |
| 22:28.10 | karsten | ptrkmj: IIRC it's because Debian includes non-free and/or possibly some non-FSF Free Software bits in its core packaes. That's a better question for the FSF than Debian. |
| 22:28.14 | Diopter | ptrkmj: Because Debian provides access to non-free and contrib repositories, even if they don't enable or provide them by default. |
| 22:28.22 | _estif_ | Diopter: thanks again for your help - I'm going to bed now! Bye! |
| 22:28.22 | karsten | dawud: Even RAID1? |
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| 22:28.27 | Diopter | _estif_: You bet. |
| 22:28.38 | karsten | dawud: Not surprised, but curious. |
| 22:29.03 | dawud | karsten: yes. I had to dis-assemble the RAID to be able to install GRUB and boot |
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| 22:29.28 | dawud | karsten: afterwards, it's possible to assemble the RAID again |
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| 22:30.59 | dawud | karsten: I didn't investigate it thoroughly, but it look like a grub-probe problem |
| 22:31.09 | dawud | s/look/looked |
| 22:31.21 | yardleydobon | I just dist-upgraded and now X crashes when it launches. What should I do to troubleshoot this? |
| 22:31.24 | sideup66 | yikies gotta go but smbusers was deleted and samba now lets noone on |
| 22:31.29 | Diopter | yardleydobon: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:31.39 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Maybe |
| 22:31.55 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Maybe try aptitude safe-upgrade, to see if it can figure out another way to approach the dependency set |
| 22:31.57 | ionte | Diopter, karsten: i found my problem. i'm required to create a bios boot partition when using gpt partition tables. sigh. guess i will have to create a new partition table, raid setup and reinstall the system |
| 22:32.03 | ionte | thanks for your help though |
| 22:32.05 | karsten | yardleydobon: Try running minimal X. Check your xorg log as Diopter said. Try looking at ~/.xsession-errors (remove it and read it fresh for less confusion). |
| 22:32.10 | Diopter | ionte: Ahh, you chose GPT. Yes. |
| 22:32.17 | TomyLobo | Diopter i tried that earlier |
| 22:32.22 | karsten | ionte: gparted might save you some time there. |
| 22:32.26 | TomyLobo | i pressed ctrl-c after half an hour |
| 22:32.27 | Diopter | ionte: You need somewhere for GRUB to put stage2 files. |
| 22:32.33 | Diopter | TomyLobo: ... well that's exciting. |
| 22:32.34 | yardleydobon | Diopter: what should I look for? It just says it segfaults. |
| 22:32.44 | tmg | why is exim +s still? |
| 22:32.53 | TomyLobo | should i have left it running? |
| 22:33.03 | ionte | Diopter: actually the debian installer selected it. i'm not really familiar with it, but i think it has to do with support for big disks? (2tb) |
| 22:33.07 | yardleydobon | karsten: How do I run minimal X. The gdm login screen doesn't even show up. |
| 22:33.07 | TomyLobo | it was counting up some numbers |
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| 22:33.18 | RiderInTheSky | hey i was wondering if theres a nice way to run gcc on a server and have a automated was of sending code from a laptop to the server to compile and get the bin back. |
| 22:33.22 | Diopter | ionte: Correct. And large partitions. |
| 22:33.33 | Diopter | ionte: MSDOS partitions are very limited in a lot of ways |
| 22:33.36 | karsten | yardleydobon: Disableyour X session manager. Run 'X' from the console. |
| 22:33.47 | ionte | karsten: yeah, well, i'll see ... |
| 22:33.54 | karsten | Is there a "disable X" type factoid? |
| 22:34.10 | RiderInTheSky | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 22:34.14 | ionte | Diopter: btw, do you know if gpt still only has 4 primary partitions? |
| 22:34.22 | yardleydobon | karsten: I stopped gdm and used startx. X segfaulted again. |
| 22:34.32 | Diopter | ionte: Absolutely does not have that limitation. |
| 22:34.33 | dawud | RiderInTheSky: a buildbot? |
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| 22:35.02 | ionte | great |
| 22:35.11 | karsten | yardleydobon: 'startx' will still attempt to run whatever's in your ~/.xsession or .xinitrc files. Though at this point checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be a Rally Good Idea. |
| 22:35.13 | ionte | i'll continue tomorrow .. thanks ... |
| 22:35.16 | karsten | s/Rally/Really/ |
| 22:35.25 | Diopter | Sure |
| 22:36.53 | joltcan | tmg: It starts as root to read some files (certs and what not), then drops to unprivilieged |
| 22:37.13 | joltcan | tmg: and to bind to port 25, which is hard if you are not root |
| 22:37.16 | TomyLobo | Diopter is manually going through all installed packages in aptitude and upgrading the ones that cause no conflict of any use? |
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| 22:44.01 | tmg | joltcan: i know basics, but i hate everything what needs +s |
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| 22:44.33 | tmg | joltcan: to clear this - imo it is better to just 1 time run it on os startup |
| 22:44.38 | tmg | as root |
| 22:45.05 | joltcan | tmg: Yes. It says here http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch52.html that you might be able to run it as non root if you are that conserned |
| 22:45.48 | joltcan | tmg: but time after time it seems that the debian maintainers knows their stuff, so basic daemons are configured in a way that makes sense for most people. So I would not worry about that to much |
| 22:45.50 | tmg | joltcan: ah i see, ok then |
| 22:46.54 | tmg | +1joltcola then |
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| 22:53.20 | NfNitLoop | is http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71264 seriously the way to change my output device in Debian? |
| 22:53.27 | NfNitLoop | I can't just select it from a GUI mixer app? |
| 22:54.06 | NfNitLoop | I've plugged in some USB headphones and the mixer sees them but nothing is playing sound through them. |
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| 23:03.21 | Diopter | TomyLobo: Potentially! |
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| 23:04.01 | TomyLobo | could it also potentially get my system into a state where i can neither upgrade nor continue to use squeeze without problems? |
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| 23:06.31 | tharkun | Gentlemen there is a dpkg option to list all packages installed on a system, any hints? |
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| 23:07.14 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 23:38.49 | engla | darkelfjuggalo1: I would recommend using playonlinux, which manages multiple wine versions including the newest ones |
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| 23:39.25 | darkelfjuggalo1 | is that a webiste? |
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| 23:42.39 | darkelfjuggalo1 | looking over it now... should there be any problem in running Photoshop? I need it for my College courses until I can cet a new Windows Laptop |
| 23:43.31 | Agiofws | hello |
| 23:43.40 | Agiofws | is there an application that allows you to embed two apps in one window in linux ? |
| 23:44.11 | melik | dear #debian, i am having trouble removing aquota.* files |
| 23:44.14 | melik | chattr: Operation not permitted while setting flags on aquota.user |
| 23:44.32 | melik | i can't remove the "i" using chattr -i aquota.user |
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| 23:57.06 | alfplayer | Agiofws: side by side? |
| 23:57.45 | alfplayer | Agiofws: xnest and xephyr do that afaik |
| 23:58.44 | alfplayer | also "tabbed", but that's for different tabs, not side by side (you can guess by the name) |
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