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| 00:02.06 | xSmurf | anyone here uses the arduino IDE? |
| 00:02.18 | xSmurf | I can't seem to launch it in testing "Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.awt.HeadlessException" |
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| 00:03.21 | Agiofws | yes side by side |
| 00:03.21 | Agiofws | can i do this ... |
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| 00:03.35 | Agiofws | alfplayer, what i want to do is ... to embed xchat and a browser into one window ... is that possible ? |
| 00:04.35 | alfplayer | Agiofws: I believe xnest a xephyr do that |
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| 00:08.08 | themill | xSmurf: do you have a -jre package installed (as opposed to a -jre-headless package)? |
| 00:09.16 | xSmurf | apparently I didn't have either |
| 00:09.32 | xSmurf | even though I have openjdk-X-jre installed |
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| 00:09.53 | themill | for what value of X? |
| 00:10.01 | xSmurf | 6 & 7 |
| 00:10.11 | xSmurf | I installed default-jre and it works now |
| 00:10.25 | themill | and what does "java -version" say? |
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| 00:13.58 | xSmurf | java version "1.6.0_24" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11.1) (6b24-1.11.1-3) |
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| 00:34.14 | echo083 | i'm sharing my internet connection from my computer to another but i can't ping my computer outside the sharing computer is it normal ? |
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| 00:42.41 | Megaf | echo083, nothing is notmal when one is using Linux |
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| 00:43.15 | echo083 | Megaf, so you suggest using what ? |
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| 00:43.51 | Megaf | Linux :) |
| 00:43.55 | Megaf | I love Linux |
| 00:44.08 | Megaf | echo083, doublecheck IPs, netmasks and firewalls |
| 00:45.04 | echo083 | Megaf, which distribution do you use ? |
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| 00:45.56 | Megaf | echo083, Debian and Mandriva, Debian here (old hitachi laptop), Debian on my homeserver, Debian on my 2011 MacBook Pro and Mandriva on my Eee 701 |
| 00:46.39 | echo083 | Megaf, recently lot of people tell me they are using mandriva did they recently made an impresive release ? |
| 00:48.24 | Megaf | echo083, well, ive been using Mandriva for 7 years now |
| 00:48.36 | Megaf | and the latest release, I dont like it. :) |
| 00:48.45 | Megaf | Using Mandriva 2010.2 on my Eee |
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| 00:49.26 | echo083 | Megaf, 5 years ago i just lost a whole day because they didn't correctly manage package dependencies since that day I said "Mandriva never again" ! |
| 00:49.40 | echo083 | Megaf, at this time it was called Mandrake |
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| 00:50.03 | Megaf | nope, it was called Mandriva |
| 00:50.13 | Megaf | Mandriva 2005 LE, the very first Mandriva release |
| 00:50.24 | Megaf | Mandrake 10.2, the latest Mandrake |
| 00:50.45 | Megaf | and Mandrake 10.2 and Mandriva 2005 are actually pretty much the same |
| 00:50.57 | Megaf | so is Mandriva 2011 and Rosa Desktop |
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| 00:52.00 | aBound | Is there any prior set release date for the upcoming Debian 7.0? |
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| 01:13.49 | echo083 | Megaf, sorry you didn't write my nickname in your message i didn't know you answered me sorry |
| 01:14.02 | echo083 | Megaf, anyway thanks for the information |
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| 01:14.26 | sideup66 | hi room im back |
| 01:14.49 | sideup66 | i think i made headway though, with my original issue with the home shares sticking around, I totally took off samba and reinstalled it |
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| 01:15.38 | sideup66 | and after deleting the homes part of the smb.conf it stops the user from browsing the main directories....dunno if that is actually removing those though as I cant seem to rid myself of samba wanting to share my home directories |
| 01:15.43 | sideup66 | if anyone here can help out... |
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| 01:18.26 | sideup66 | what im trying to do is disable home directory sharing (which any other form of samba on another distro seems happy to do |
| 01:18.29 | sideup66 | this wont however |
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| 01:19.04 | darwin | i am thinking of switching from Slackware to Debian again, because Debian has the largest software repository, but I have some questions. Does Debian still beep if you have minor hardware damage, and is it easy to set Debian to not use a root password? |
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| 01:19.13 | LtL | sideup66: maybe #samba can help you, i can't |
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| 01:19.41 | sideup66 | hmm ok |
| 01:19.43 | sideup66 | ill check there |
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| 01:20.31 | LtL | darwin: never heard hardware damage beeps, and yes you can disable root's pass |
| 01:21.11 | darwin | once I installed Debian on a computer that had an almost worn out system board, and Debian would beep about once a second. Slackware does not |
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| 01:22.21 | klys | If you disable the password then su stops working. |
| 01:22.32 | LtL | darwin: i had a hdd smacking heads against the platters, spitting out i/o errors... no beeps |
| 01:22.33 | darwin | surely there is a workaround for that also |
| 01:22.48 | klys | recompile likely |
| 01:23.35 | LtL | I personally wouldnt want to disable root's pass, but.. |
| 01:23.41 | darwin | Maybe I will not switch then. I prefer a system 'just give you enough rope to hang yourself with' instead of needing all these workarounds |
| 01:24.36 | klys | debian is full of libraries, every time I apt-get a newer package there are like, 20+ libs with it |
| 01:24.47 | LtL | darwin: ive never used slack, i hear its very capable but debian is quite nice |
| 01:24.49 | homecable | any one using amd64 on servers ? |
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| 01:25.22 | LtL | homecable: most do, i have, my web host does |
| 01:25.28 | homecable | ok |
| 01:25.56 | LtL | nvz: thanks for sharing :P |
| 01:26.08 | LtL | wrong window, sorry |
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| 01:39.11 | thewanderer1 | how do I tell Linux to rescan for SATA devices? it's not seeing a hotplugged SSD |
| 01:40.16 | klys | thewanderer1: is it /dev/sda ? |
| 01:40.42 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, I can't see it :P |
| 01:40.57 | klys | are you at the initrd prompt? |
| 01:41.11 | thewanderer1 | no, I am running a system and need to hotplug a drive |
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| 01:42.23 | thewanderer1 | I just can't force the host to see the drive I've just plugged in |
| 01:43.01 | klys | lsmod | grep sata |
| 01:43.14 | klys | rmmod; modprobe |
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| 01:45.20 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, is there already a sda? |
| 01:45.25 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: nop |
| 01:45.33 | thewanderer1 | klys: no module seems to be relevant... |
| 01:45.42 | homecable | type dmesg |
| 01:45.49 | homecable | and see what it loads up as |
| 01:45.56 | homecable | or fdisk -l |
| 01:46.39 | klys | thewanderer1: lspci -vvv | less |
| 01:47.06 | thewanderer1 | fdisk -l hangs, dmesg shows lots of link reset messages, but that's all from previous drives |
| 01:48.07 | internat | hi guys, i have a module for a usb to gigabit card, that doesnt appear to be in ther kernel. Ive got the module on the cd that came with the card. and have been able to successfully build it, and insmod smsc7500.ko loads it and it works, but that doesnt survive a reboot.. whats the prefered way to fix that? |
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| 01:48.32 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I have a list of files. I want to move them into the same directory. If a filename is the same, then I want to test if the files are the same. If they are I want to move one and delete the other. If not I want to move both, but I want the second one to have a different name. Is there a way to do that? |
| 01:48.43 | thewanderer1 | internat: preferred is using DKMS, but that requires some packaging |
| 01:49.04 | thewanderer1 | internat: failing that, you could put the module somewhere and do "insmod /wheres/the/module.ko" in /etc/rc.local |
| 01:49.45 | thewanderer1 | klys: hmm, what am I looking for in the lspci? |
| 01:50.01 | internat | no way to put it somewhere for modprobe or /etc/modules to load it properly? |
| 01:50.06 | klys | thewanderer1: Serial ATA |
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| 01:50.43 | thewanderer1 | klys: yeah, I figured that much... Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 6 port SATA AHCI Controller |
| 01:50.59 | Diopter | internat: You can throw it into /lib/modules/<kernel version>/kernel/net/ or kernel/drivers/net |
| 01:51.05 | Diopter | internat: Probably have to depmod then |
| 01:51.50 | klys | mousetheluckydog: cmp $file $file && cp |
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| 01:54.56 | internat | thanks thewanderer1 and Diopter :) |
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| 01:55.32 | newbottle | http://pastie.org/3898011 <-- Some of the strongest, most affecting quotes I have ever read. |
| 01:57.13 | thewanderer1 | ^ has just been banned from ##hardware... |
| 01:57.17 | newbottle | Please think twice before subjecting any newborn to this hineous little "procedure." |
| 01:57.23 | newbottle | Please think twice before subjecting any newborn to this hineous little "procedure." |
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| 01:58.26 | MouseTheLuckyDog | klys, cp? Also I'm confused by the cmp manpage, does it return a true if they are the same or if they are different? |
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| 02:05.34 | alfplayer | MouseTheLuckyDog: you can get the return value with $? |
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| 02:09.22 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Ok. I now have a good way to test sameneww of file. What about naming? I can imagine a situation where I'm trying to copy many different files with the same name into the same directory. |
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| 02:11.57 | MouseTheLuckyDog | To clarify, name the directory dest, many of the files I want to copy are called foo.bar. So I want the first file to copy with the name foo.bar, the nextr different file foo.1.bar, the next different file foo.2.bar etc. Or some similar anming scheme. |
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| 02:14.55 | dizzylizzy | can I not run `invoke-rc.d gdm3 start` if the S->K switch has been made for /etc/rc2.d/K79gdm3 ? |
| 02:15.13 | alfplayer | MouseTheLuckyDog: I suggest you start trying to write it, it can be a little script |
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| 02:19.21 | dizzylizzy | do I actually have to change runmodes in order to start gdm3?? |
| 02:19.50 | LtL | dizzylizzy: try using rcconf, its kinda failsafe when it works, or invoke-rc.d gdm3 defaults or default, that should set S |
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| 02:21.51 | dizzylizzy | I just ran /etc/init.d/gdm3 directly :-/ |
| 02:21.52 | dizzylizzy | will examine |
| 02:22.12 | od-- | im trying to get fbdev x server running on a chroot debian install on android. The server starts up and i can see the xterm window flash but then it goes black. any suggestions? |
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| 02:26.37 | LtL | dizzylizzy: yeah /etc/init.d/ will work too |
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| 02:28.12 | LtL | od--: just a guess but can you edit the grub boot line? you can try adding nomodeset |
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| 02:30.17 | od-- | its booting through hboot i guess and i have no clue how to feed it any params |
| 02:30.30 | od-- | its default bpp is 32 which xorg doesnt seem to like |
| 02:30.43 | od-- | but seems to work at 16 but with screwed up colors |
| 02:32.24 | LtL | od--: I have no experience with what you're trying to accomplish, keep asking :) |
| 02:33.03 | od-- | if i dd from /dev/urandom into the framebuffer is it supposed to show something? |
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| 02:34.01 | od-- | its tegra3 chipset btw |
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| 02:34.53 | od-- | it looks like this guy http://thomaspolasek.blogspot.com/2012/04/arch-linux-lxde-w-xorg-mouse-keyboard_16.html got it working on his Nook |
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| 02:37.07 | LtL | od--: nice tutorial |
| 02:37.10 | klys | od--: from what I recall, there is a flag in the kernel you can switch on and off, which is usually off, that allows graphics |
| 02:37.38 | klys | something like FB_MODE |
| 02:38.32 | klys | it's an ioctl() |
| 02:38.37 | od-- | hmm |
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| 02:46.56 | adrakoa | do you know something about blues music? |
| 02:48.40 | klys | oolomana blues |
| 02:48.40 | LtL | about 12 bars |
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| 02:49.22 | klys | bob dylan, eric clapton |
| 02:51.01 | LtL | bb king |
| 02:51.15 | simonlnu | robert johnson</ot> |
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| 02:52.05 | LtL | he's great |
| 02:54.57 | alfplayer | is there more lightweight, mostly working X.org server replacement? |
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| 02:55.31 | klys | alfplayer: do you requre DRI or GLX ? |
| 02:56.09 | alfplayer | klys: I don't know, is that for OpenGL? then no |
| 02:56.30 | klys | tightvnc4server |
| 02:57.08 | alfplayer | klys: I'd like to run terminals, and a web browser |
| 02:57.27 | alfplayer | thanks, I'll check it |
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| 03:02.42 | dizzylizzy | has the apt-get functionality of aptitude been removed in wheezy or something |
| 03:03.23 | alfplayer | dizzylizzy: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:03.50 | dizzylizzy | aptitude update |
| 03:03.59 | dizzylizzy | it just hangs |
| 03:04.02 | dizzylizzy | apt-get update works |
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| 03:04.30 | alfplayer | it looks like a bug to me |
| 03:04.36 | adrakoa | try synaptics |
| 03:06.40 | dizzylizzy | but that's graphical :-/ |
| 03:06.44 | dizzylizzy | I'll look into this |
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| 03:08.02 | adrakoa | dizzylizzy compile aptitude && ddd || gdb OR ; strace aptitude update |
| 03:08.13 | civillian | hey is it possible to enable remote XDMCP clients in gdm3 via the command line without restarting gdm3? |
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| 03:08.33 | Ludvig | is anyone else experiencing weird text rendering? |
| 03:08.38 | adrakoa | strace give you the last call |
| 03:08.56 | adrakoa | after callback you ;) |
| 03:09.54 | adrakoa | bye guys |
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| 03:18.50 | Guest02377-50092 | So on my fun path with modules, i appear to be having another issue.. trying to setup pppoe for my adsl modem.. but i keep getting told that pppoe isnt in the kernel, and also that "Please load the ppp_generic kernel module. |
| 03:18.53 | Guest02377-50092 | " isnt there |
| 03:18.55 | Guest02377-50092 | any suggestions? |
| 03:19.22 | heberth | http://lnintruder.lownoisehg.org/faq.php |
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| 03:27.18 | klys | internat2: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 03:27.43 | Internat2 | ? |
| 03:28.00 | Internat2 | i woudlnt have thought that had anything todo with ppp/pppoe? |
| 03:28.05 | woonix | Internat2: I found that module at /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.ko, and pppoe is there too. What version are you using? |
| 03:28.13 | klys | the kernel sources are at ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel |
| 03:28.24 | Internat2 | Linux eep 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 03:28.47 | woonix | so, if you run a "modprobe pppoe" command then what? You get an error? |
| 03:28.48 | klys | internat2: cd v2.6 |
| 03:29.07 | Internat2 | FATAL: Module pppoe not found. |
| 03:29.27 | Internat2 | its a fresh install too |
| 03:29.28 | woonix | strange. Can you browse to /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ and see if there are any ppp modules in there? |
| 03:29.29 | klys | internat2: look for /boot/config-2.6.32-5.686 or if you want ask me for a .config |
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| 03:29.59 | Internat2 | /boot is empty |
| 03:30.25 | klys | Internat2: do the ftp |
| 03:30.27 | Internat2 | and yep woonix they are there |
| 03:31.02 | Internat2 | im using the stock standard debian kernel |
| 03:31.07 | woonix | Are you trying to load the module as root or as a normal user? |
| 03:31.13 | Internat2 | root |
| 03:31.38 | Ludvig | is anyone else experiencing weird text rendering? |
| 03:31.59 | woonix | Internat2: I wonder how your system is even booting at all if /boot is mpety |
| 03:32.00 | woonix | empty* |
| 03:32.03 | klys | modeprobe ppp; lsmod | grep ppp; # you said there were errors and you have to recompile |
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| 03:32.36 | klys | s/modeprobe/modprobe/ |
| 03:32.41 | Internat2 | yeah im not sure either woonix: but ive rebooted a ew times and its definately booting |
| 03:33.05 | Internat2 | interesting.. /boot isnt mounting since it doesnt know what ext2 is |
| 03:33.12 | Internat2 | i think this computer has a few issues |
| 03:33.18 | Internat2 | which is interesting since its litteraly a fresh build |
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| 03:33.38 | klys | internat2: ls /lib/modules |
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| 03:33.47 | Internat2 | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 03:34.06 | klys | internat2: ls /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel |
| 03:34.20 | Internat2 | arch crypto drivers fs lib mm net sound |
| 03:34.31 | klys | internat2: ls /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/fs/ext* |
| 03:34.48 | Internat2 | ext2.ko ext3.ko ext4.ko |
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| 03:34.55 | klys | internat2: depmod -a |
| 03:35.16 | Internat2 | done |
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| 03:35.26 | Internat2 | interseting |
| 03:35.29 | Internat2 | now everythings loading |
| 03:35.29 | klys | now try you insmod/modprobe stuff |
| 03:35.31 | Internat2 | pppoe etc |
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| 03:36.31 | Internat2 | interesting.. |
| 03:36.43 | Internat2 | so based on my quick read of man, that rebuild the modules library? |
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| 03:37.21 | klys | internat2: date; ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/modules.dep |
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| 03:37.47 | Internat2 | Sat May 12 23:37:37 EST 2012 |
| 03:37.48 | Internat2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 299908 May 12 23:35 /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/modules.dep |
| 03:38.06 | klys | yeah that worked |
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| 03:38.39 | Internat2 | so im guessing everything that was working was cause it was compiled into the kernel, and anything that needed a module was failing? |
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| 03:38.51 | klys | yes |
| 03:39.03 | Internat2 | od |
| 03:39.06 | Internat2 | d |
| 03:39.25 | klys | with the exception of your initrd. the initrd needed to load some modules to mount your disk at boot. |
| 03:39.30 | Internat2 | ah yep |
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| 03:40.39 | Internat2 | ok. lets go give that a go |
| 03:40.39 | Internat2 | brb |
| 03:41.12 | melik | hey guys i have 2 identical servers; but recently one of the servers started having issues with IO |
| 03:41.18 | melik | i found some oddities in the inode per group field when running tune2fs -l on both machines |
| 03:41.31 | melik | http://ompldr.org/vZHBveA/pasta << is this something to worry about, can anyone shed some light |
| 03:41.59 | somiaj | melik: I would inst smartmontools and see if the smart self tests of the drive pass |
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| 03:42.12 | melik | somiaj, its on a RAID controller |
| 03:42.19 | melik | i don't think smart tools will work :/ |
| 03:43.09 | somiaj | well it could be one of the drives on the raid array? IO errors to me usually sounds like bad hardware. |
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| 03:43.52 | melik | somiaj, i'm not receiving IO errors |
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| 03:43.53 | melik | per say |
| 03:43.56 | melik | just really high loads |
| 03:44.02 | somiaj | ahh |
| 03:44.04 | melik | well.. not too high just about 5-6 times higher than my other machines |
| 03:44.15 | melik | and i just want to know if having a value of "1023" |
| 03:44.22 | melik | for inodes per group |
| 03:44.26 | melik | is okay |
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| 03:47.04 | klys | melik: my inodes per groub on sdb5 is 2048 |
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| 03:48.14 | somiaj | yea I'm seeing powers of 2 for them here too |
| 03:49.35 | melik | klys, |
| 03:49.41 | melik | can that indicate |
| 03:49.45 | melik | a filesystem corruption? |
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| 03:50.19 | Rusty1 | fsck? |
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| 03:50.34 | melik | yeah |
| 03:50.36 | melik | im sending it to my boss |
| 03:50.46 | melik | to approve a maintenance window |
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| 03:57.47 | klys | melik: if you suspect that, run fsck on the drive at boot. if it is your root partition, and checkrootfs.sh does not run, pass init=/bin/sh as a commandline option. |
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| 03:59.12 | klys | melik: if it is not root(/), then you can just unmount it and do the fsck. |
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| 04:05.33 | funyun | hi. a user on my server cannot use auto completion. this has happened before. it's some problem with bash. there's a command that fixes this. does anyone know it? |
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| 04:06.55 | klys | funyun: set | grep BASHOPTS |
| 04:07.18 | r3m | Hi, I would like to save the list of all package installed and use this list on a new install, i search google but there is 3-4 way to do that and most of the site was old |
| 04:07.27 | r3m | i would like to use the right way |
| 04:07.28 | funyun | klys: thanks |
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| 04:07.58 | klys | r3m: you want a backup of /var/lib/dpkg |
| 04:08.05 | bfig | hello, i'm having problems with opengl. i installed an update today and now i can't start opengl programs |
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| 04:08.26 | rainfyre | hey everyone. How can I keep the bluetooth daemon from loading up when my desktop boots? |
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| 04:08.29 | r3m | klys i prefer a text file containing the list cause i will use it on the next release too |
| 04:08.37 | r3m | so the package will not be the right versions |
| 04:08.39 | klys | r3m: dpkg -l |
| 04:08.53 | r3m | klys and to restore |
| 04:09.22 | klys | bfig: check your /var/log/X* logs for missing GLX |
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| 04:10.05 | klys | rainfyre: rm /etc/rc2.d/whatstartsbluetooth |
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| 04:10.39 | klys | rainfyre: it also might be in /etc/rcS.d (less likely I figure) |
| 04:10.44 | bfig | sorry i got disconnected. i had to install fglrx because the open source driver did not support my video card (00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek [Mobility Radeon HD 6620G]) |
| 04:10.50 | LtL | r3m: dpkg --get-selections maybe... i'm not positive |
| 04:11.01 | klys | bfig: check your /var/log/X* logs for missing GLX |
| 04:12.07 | bfig | i don't have a /var/log/X* log |
| 04:12.26 | bfig | is this a sign of something gone terribly wrong? |
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| 04:12.56 | klys | bfig: your X11R6 isn't generating logs then? look closely. |
| 04:15.15 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.55 | r3m | klys: do you know how to restore |
| 04:17.02 | r3m | using the result of dpkg -l |
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| 04:17.26 | klys | r3m: to a lower version? what is the reason you upgraded X ? |
| 04:17.42 | klys | oh |
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| 04:18.10 | klys | r3m: dpkg --set-selections, or just take the list of packages and affix it to the apt-get commandline |
| 04:18.14 | bfig | i don't have a /var/log/X* log |
| 04:18.16 | bfig | is this a sign of something gone terribly wrong? |
| 04:18.18 | bfig | sorry, i got disconnected |
| 04:18.21 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.27 | r3m | klys: thanks ! |
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| 04:21.00 | bfig | [ 507.257] (II) SELinux: Disabled on system |
| 04:21.01 | bfig | [ 507.259] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 04:21.01 | bfig | [ 507.261] [glesx] __glESXExtensionInit: No GL ES2.0 capable screen found! |
| 04:21.30 | bfig | is that indicative of a problem? |
| 04:21.59 | klys | could be, depending on how you look at it. it is the problem you are reporting. |
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| 04:22.51 | klys | bfig: find the drm module for your kernel |
| 04:23.07 | bfig | sorry you lost me there. gonna google |
| 04:24.40 | klys | bfig: it's in drivers/char/gpu |
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| 04:25.36 | bfig | where can i find drivers? |
| 04:26.03 | klys | bfig: newer kernels (3.x) or the X.org sources |
| 04:27.11 | roboman2444 | ok, so the delimiter i need to use for cut is ' |
| 04:27.15 | roboman2444 | how do i set that? |
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| 04:27.21 | roboman2444 | i cant do cut -d ' -f1 |
| 04:27.48 | bfig | klys, sorry i don't know what you want me to do. do you want me to find a file? |
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| 04:28.40 | klys | roboman2444: cut -d \' |
| 04:29.03 | klys | bfig: do you have kernel sources unpacked? |
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| 04:29.18 | bfig | i doubt it. how can i know? |
| 04:29.30 | roboman2444 | thanks |
| 04:29.35 | bfig | i installed debian from a CD then downloaded a new kernel and installed it with the help of a friend |
| 04:30.03 | klys | bfig: you want a kernel. ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux |
| 04:30.36 | bfig | i need to reinstall my kernel? |
| 04:30.49 | klys | bfig: you need the sources for it. |
| 04:32.24 | bfig | ok. how do i know which one to download? |
| 04:32.37 | klys | known upgrade problems are lenny libc6, udev 164-3 (and the old mke2fs for 2.2) |
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| 04:33.50 | klys | bfig: if you want to recompile (you get to use the kernel menu) get the newest or (search: most stable). if you think the kernel you have is just perfect, the same version as it. |
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| 04:36.35 | dizzylizzy | is it possible to run a fsck on an encrypted LUKS partition, if when the partition is unmounted it is encrypted? |
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| 04:37.57 | klys | dizzylizzy: you have to decrypt the partition into /dev/somewhere |
| 04:38.23 | bfig | i think i might solve it by upgrading the fglrx-driver package |
| 04:38.27 | bfig | (hopefully) |
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| 04:40.27 | klys | does GLX require DRI ? |
| 04:40.57 | bfig | googles what DRI means... |
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| 04:42.46 | bfig | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GLX |
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| 04:43.27 | bfig | i hate not knowing about this stuff :( |
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| 04:47.30 | klys | :) |
| 04:49.13 | od-- | hmm |
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| 04:50.13 | od-- | ok so when i set the Virtual size option for the frame buffer in xorg.conf to 800x600 i see the xterm on the screen after i kill xinit |
| 04:50.21 | lusers | 6 |
| 04:50.26 | od-- | but when i set to the virtual size thats reported by the driver |
| 04:50.28 | od-- | its just blank |
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| 04:51.55 | klys | od--: does your monitor support the higher resolution? |
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| 04:52.14 | od-- | its supposed to support 720p i think |
| 04:52.35 | od-- | its a cellphone based on tegra3 chipset |
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| 04:53.34 | klys | od--: so 1080x720 ? |
| 04:53.49 | od-- | 1280x720 i think |
| 04:54.31 | od-- | fbset has that mode too |
| 04:55.20 | od-- | geometry 720 1280 720 2560 16 |
| 04:56.14 | od-- | i dont get why the xterm shows up on the screen after i exit though |
| 04:56.21 | od-- | and not while X is running |
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| 04:56.35 | od-- | maybe its an issue with double buffering |
| 04:56.46 | od-- | where its just writing to the wrong frame in the buffer |
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| 04:58.28 | klys | can you change to mode to it with fbset -mode ? |
| 04:58.55 | bfig | klys, i found the folder under the /lib/modules... folder |
| 04:59.15 | klys | you probably want to keep the current mode in your command history if you try |
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| 04:59.56 | klys | bfig: and do you know which module to use for your gpu ? |
| 05:00.04 | bfig | but i'm not sure about the kernel. how can i check the precise version i'm running? this is what i have (i don't know which 3.1x kernel i'm running) |
| 05:00.05 | bfig | localhost:/lib/modules# ls |
| 05:00.05 | bfig | 2.6.32-5-amd64 3.1.0-1-amd64 3.2.0-rc7-amd64 |
| 05:00.19 | bfig | *i don't know which 3.x i'm running |
| 05:00.29 | klys | uname -r |
| 05:00.37 | od-- | said invalid argument on the mode i tried just now |
| 05:00.39 | bfig | ok, the 3.1 |
| 05:00.53 | bfig | i have the kernel folder inside that folder |
| 05:01.20 | bfig | localhost:/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm# ls |
| 05:01.21 | bfig | drm_kms_helper.ko drm.ko i2c i915 mga nouveau r128 radeon savage sis tdfx ttm via vmwgfx |
| 05:01.40 | bfig | (lspci:) 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek [Mobility Radeon HD 6620G] |
| 05:01.54 | klys | bfig: you indicated the gpu you were using was ATI |
| 05:02.24 | dizzylizzy | i'm so happy :) i figured out how to mount my encrypted external and am now funning a fsck on it (unmounted of course) |
| 05:02.37 | klys | look in radeon/ and try that one, |
| 05:02.59 | bfig | so what do i actually do? there is a file radeon.ko.dis |
| 05:03.08 | od-- | yea doesnt look like i can change modes |
| 05:03.25 | klys | bfig: is it radeon.ko ? |
| 05:03.28 | od-- | the xserver could change the color mode though |
| 05:03.35 | od-- | it defaulted to 32 |
| 05:03.38 | bfig | radeon.ko.dis |
| 05:03.46 | od-- | and i had to set it to 16 into xorg.conf to get X to run |
| 05:03.46 | bfig | (not radeon.ko) |
| 05:04.39 | klys | od--: is your fb driver current to the hardware model number? |
| 05:05.02 | od-- | yea |
| 05:05.19 | klys | dizzylizzy: congratulations |
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| 05:07.06 | od-- | what does the YPanStep do |
| 05:07.11 | klys | od--: read the source for the fb kernel module, I don't know what you will find to read online about that model number. it could be that it's been debated in a mailing list somewhere. |
| 05:07.12 | od-- | its for double buffering right? |
| 05:07.36 | bfig | klys, what do i do with the radeon.ko.dis file? |
| 05:07.38 | klys | it's the number of pixels for fbset -move up/down |
| 05:07.58 | klys | bfig: i haven't heard of .dis |
| 05:08.19 | od-- | i think my xorg.conf just isnt setup right |
| 05:08.20 | bfig | localhost:/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon# ls -a |
| 05:08.21 | klys | bfig: file radeon.ko.dis |
| 05:08.21 | bfig | . .. radeon.ko.dis |
| 05:08.57 | od-- | im staring at the screen with an xserver box halfway down the bottom that wraps and comes around back at the top |
| 05:09.01 | od-- | (after the x server is killed) |
| 05:09.12 | od-- | er |
| 05:09.15 | od-- | xserver box = xterm box |
| 05:10.00 | klys | od--: that's probably your framebuffer just registering the memory that was left in video memory |
| 05:10.53 | od-- | its just wierd that while the process is running its totally black |
| 05:10.55 | klys | bfig: it's probably .dis for disabled |
| 05:11.00 | od-- | it kinda just flashes the window then goes back |
| 05:11.02 | od-- | black |
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| 05:11.36 | bfig | so what should i do with it? |
| 05:11.37 | klys | od--: your framebuffer is probably just setting text mode |
| 05:11.48 | bfig | let's assume it is a .ko disabled |
| 05:11.56 | od-- | how can i check? |
| 05:12.13 | od-- | it was running graphical mode before for sure (before i shut down the android display manager) |
| 05:12.18 | klys | bfig: ln -s radeon.ko.dis radeon.ko; insmod radeon.ko |
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| 05:12.59 | bfig | localhost:/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon# ln -s radeon.ko.dis radeon.ko; insmod radeon.ko |
| 05:12.59 | bfig | insmod: error inserting 'radeon.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 05:13.20 | klys | modprobe radeon |
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| 05:14.53 | bfig | localhost:/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon# modprobe radeon |
| 05:14.53 | bfig | FATAL: Module radeon not found. |
| 05:14.53 | klys | depmod -a; modprobe radeon |
| 05:14.53 | bfig | done |
| 05:14.53 | klys | now run X and check your logs for DRI |
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| 05:16.01 | bfig | x is running... i'm reading Xorg.0.log |
| 05:16.23 | bfig | error doesn't get to that log |
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| 05:17.07 | klys | od--: does your android device have a "restore" boot option? curious |
| 05:17.31 | od-- | what do you mean? |
| 05:17.35 | od-- | like a recovery flash? |
| 05:17.44 | klys | when it boots |
| 05:17.57 | klys | like a boot menu |
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| 05:18.57 | od-- | the boot menu has some options for communicating over usb |
| 05:18.59 | klys | if that's what it means to your device then that's what I meant to ask |
| 05:19.02 | od-- | so you can flash new kernels etc |
| 05:19.40 | klys | od--: do you have a textmode-boot kernel in place? |
| 05:19.58 | od-- | nah |
| 05:20.11 | klys | ok just curious |
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| 05:20.14 | od-- | theres not a whole lot running at the moment though |
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| 05:20.19 | od-- | most of the android stuff is shut down |
| 05:20.23 | od-- | and im connected over a serial port |
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| 05:20.27 | od-- | well serial over usb |
| 05:20.52 | klys | will it overheat if you leave it going for too long? |
| 05:21.10 | od-- | shouldnt |
| 05:21.36 | klys | I had an android device and it overheated, so thought I'd ask |
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| 05:22.14 | od-- | some guy got this fb xserver working on a Nook device |
| 05:22.53 | klys | you mean XDirectFB ? |
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| 05:23.53 | od-- | xf86-video-fbdev on his arch linux distro |
| 05:24.06 | klys | k |
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| 05:24.38 | od-- | his xorg.conf was pretty sparse too |
| 05:26.19 | klys | od--: do the timings for your mode in /etc/fb.modes fall withing your timing parameters? |
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| 05:26.31 | Ludvig | are there no previous versions of libcairo2 available on testing? |
| 05:26.38 | od-- | the default timings it lists are all 0 which seems odd |
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| 05:26.59 | od-- | the mode also isnt listed in fb.modes file |
| 05:27.07 | klys | ludvig: the package is new with the upgrade. http://packages.debian.org |
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| 05:29.11 | klys | od--: that would make it an odd mode. search: the mode you have and fb.modes |
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| 05:31.43 | od-- | are the timings standardized for a given resolution and refresh rate? |
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| 05:32.14 | klys | od--: that's why you have to search |
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| 05:33.37 | bfig | klys, what do i need to do now? |
| 05:33.42 | klys | od--: I know a way to generate mode timings with svgalib and there used to be something like xresprobe though you have to find someone who aleready did it if you want fb |
| 05:33.58 | klys | bfig: was glx enabled? |
| 05:34.02 | bfig | nope |
| 05:34.52 | klys | bfig: glx is part of X, not part of the kernel. |
| 05:35.59 | bfig | i tried running the program again but nothing happened. do i need to restart X? |
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| 05:36.55 | klys | bfig: you already did if I recall |
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| 05:38.47 | od-- | hmm |
| 05:38.59 | od-- | well i just changed the mode with fbset |
| 05:39.10 | od-- | with some random timings i found on the web for that resolution |
| 05:39.26 | od-- | and now the xterm is centered and kinda flickery |
| 05:39.29 | od-- | (after xinit is killed) |
| 05:39.35 | od-- | still blank while X is running |
| 05:40.00 | od-- | the timings were for 50hz |
| 05:40.56 | Ludvig | klys: for wheezy there is only the recent version (1.12.2-1) but I need to downgrade |
| 05:41.12 | Ludvig | because I'm getting unreadable text rendering |
| 05:41.16 | klys | ludvig: apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 05:43.10 | Ludvig | klys: what |
| 05:43.15 | Ludvig | how will that help |
| 05:43.40 | klys | ludvig: get the source package and the patches. you need an older patch and compile. |
| 05:46.11 | od-- | i wonder if the blank screen has something to do with virtual terminals? |
| 05:46.39 | od-- | im not entirely sure why X even needs a tty to start up |
| 05:47.13 | od-- | i had to add kernel support for it because it kept crying for tty0 |
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| 05:48.59 | klys | od--: have you also tried as 24bpp ? |
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| 05:50.13 | od-- | yea and 32 |
| 05:50.20 | od-- | with 24 xinit dies with FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument |
| 05:50.37 | od-- | at 32 it complains about invalid weight settings |
| 05:50.49 | od-- | the default mode was set to 32 by androids window manager |
| 05:51.50 | klys | od--: you could try the fb vnc viewer |
| 05:52.22 | od-- | yea i should check it out |
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| 06:04.00 | Ludvig | klys: too much work, I'd rather just tolerate it until the bug is fixed |
| 06:04.09 | Ludvig | also, I don't want to risk breaking anything |
| 06:04.42 | klys | dpkg will tell you if a version of a generated package breaks another package. |
| 06:04.43 | dpkg | klys: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 06:04.54 | klys | ;-) |
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| 06:05.35 | Ludvig | klys: I can't install dpkg-dev, it grumbles about glib2 dependencies |
| 06:06.04 | Ludvig | "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libglib2.0-0 : Breaks: eog (< 3.2.2-3) but 3.2.2-2 is to be installed |
| 06:06.08 | Ludvig | " |
| 06:06.25 | klys | then apt-get install eog dpkg-dev |
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| 06:06.32 | klys | if you still wnat dong-dev |
| 06:06.41 | klys | *dpkg-dev |
| 06:06.44 | Ludvig | "eog : Depends: libgnome-desktop-3-2 (>= 3.2.0) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 06:06.54 | klys | apt-get -f install |
| 06:07.05 | Ludvig | no way |
| 06:07.11 | od-- | do you normall have to issue an ioctl to the frame buffer to do a page flip? |
| 06:07.16 | Ludvig | not going to risk it |
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| 06:08.45 | Ludvig | btw i never did any tweaking or nonstandard installs, I just stuck to the repos and official updates |
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| 06:09.13 | klys | ludvig: you already have dependency problems. what does "apt-get -f install" (with no arguments) say it will do that you don't trust? |
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| 06:14.27 | Ludvig | alright, apt-get -f install doesn't work (doesn't do anything) |
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| 06:16.18 | craigevil | Ludvig, try using the version from snapshots that worked for you |
| 06:16.54 | craigevil | you arent going to be able to downgrade a version from wheezy to stable |
| 06:16.54 | Ludvig | craigevil: yeah that's what I asked initially, I wanted to know where I can find it |
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| 06:17.06 | craigevil | !snapshot |
| 06:17.06 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 06:19.22 | melik | Ludvig, |
| 06:19.26 | melik | thats my dads name! :D |
| 06:19.33 | melik | and part of my middle name :D |
| 06:19.42 | melik | "Ludvigivich" |
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| 06:25.43 | klys | someone needs to upgrade archive.debian.net to include lenny |
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| 06:28.49 | Ludvig | craigevil: that fixed the problem, thanks! |
| 06:29.27 | NishaKitty | can anyone help me fill out a bug report I know the problem I am having and can describe it easily but I am not sure which package it would be in? |
| 06:29.55 | Ludvig | craigevil: I downgraded to the 8 May version, just before the weird rendering happened |
| 06:29.58 | Diopter | NishaKitty: Describing it sounds like a good first step |
| 06:30.24 | NishaKitty | Diopter: basically when I use Xrender + Bow Switch I can see via xrestop that kwin is leaking pixmaps and causing XErrors |
| 06:30.30 | NishaKitty | Box Switch* |
| 06:30.54 | Diopter | NishaKitty: Sounds like kwin is the best place to start. It and its libraries |
| 06:31.13 | NishaKitty | ok I'll find the package for kwin and put that as the package thanks |
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| 07:23.26 | marekw2143 | hi, do when I'll be using debian testing on my laptop, should I worry about bank account ? |
| 07:23.49 | marekw2143 | I mean is it secure (compared to ubuntu) to perform money operations using debian testing |
| 07:23.55 | marekw2143 | now I'm on ubuntu 11.04 |
| 07:24.35 | nsadmin | banks themselves don't run as much security as they could |
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| 07:26.06 | marekw2143 | nsadmin: so I can use debian testing to perform money transaction with the same security level as using ubuntu ? |
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| 07:26.55 | nsadmin | just as a data point, I don't personally use testing to do any kind of real work |
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| 07:51.00 | dawud | tzdata is broken in wheezy, anybody a workaround? |
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| 07:52.48 | ectospasm | dawud: in what way is it broken? Seems okay here... |
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| 07:57.10 | dawud | ectospasm: updating to tzdata_2012c-1_all.deb fails with dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 07:58.00 | dawud | ectospasm: I fixed it by apt-get source tzdata, tweaking the debian/tzdata.postinst and debuild -us -uc |
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| 07:58.29 | dawud | ectospasm: but there's a bug in that script, haven't look deep into it, though |
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| 08:01.56 | SzArAk | hi. Could anyone give me a hint, why pinging ip like 201.1.1 (3 numbers only) is actually resolved to 200.1.0.1? |
| 08:02.37 | ectospasm | dawud: so post a bug report. |
| 08:02.44 | ectospasm | dawud: welcome to using wheezy! |
| 08:02.47 | SzArAk | Any hint on how to look for more info would be very welcome |
| 08:03.37 | ectospasm | that's a good question, mine does that too |
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| 08:04.29 | dawud | ectospasm: I usually use testing. Thank you. |
| 08:04.37 | SzArAk | :) that has to be some solid theoretical information that i'm missing, but i can't figure out even how to google it ;) |
| 08:04.57 | ectospasm | SzArAk: yeah, that's deep in the IP stack, because SSH does the same thing |
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| 08:05.28 | internat | is it like with ipv6 where you can have a certian few blocks of 0000's excluded by doing :: or something like that |
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| 08:06.00 | ectospasm | SzArAk: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628511 |
| 08:06.27 | SzArAk | ok, seems reasonable, but why it fills the third number with zero? not the last, not the first? :) |
| 08:07.30 | ectospasm | I suppose if you pass three octets, it fills in the missing third octect with a zero, since that would make it a valid host. in the bug report, 10.1 expands to 10.0.0.1 |
| 08:07.30 | SzArAk | ah, ectospasm, i think i get it now |
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| 08:07.48 | internat | because you have to have a network part, and a host part |
| 08:07.57 | ectospasm | yep. |
| 08:08.07 | internat | so it takes the last one and assumes its the host.. and just puts zeros onto the end of the network part |
| 08:08.09 | ectospasm | ...but how does it decide what the netmask is? |
| 08:08.12 | SzArAk | and it fills all the rest, assums it's 0 |
| 08:08.27 | ectospasm | assuming /24 |
| 08:08.33 | jelly-home | ectospasm: probably using the default A/B/C/D classes |
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| 08:09.10 | ectospasm | I thought most addresses were classless now? |
| 08:09.16 | internat | why would it need the address mask? |
| 08:09.39 | internat | it can only populate with 0.. |
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| 08:11.17 | ectospasm | so it takes the least significant bits and pads it with zeroes |
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| 08:11.56 | Jordan_U | "man inet_addr" explains all this quite clearly. |
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| 08:12.11 | SzArAk | hmm... actually inet_addr sais it simply how its done |
| 08:12.24 | SzArAk | exactly Jordan_U ... a.b.c Parts a and b specify the first two bytes of the binary address. |
| 08:12.35 | SzArAk | Part c is interpreted as a 16-bit value that defines the rightmost two bytes of the binary address. |
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| 08:12.50 | SzArAk | so, small mistery solved? ;) |
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| 08:13.40 | ectospasm | SzArAk: btw, I googled "debian incomplete IP address" and I was feeling lucky |
| 08:14.08 | SzArAk | ectospasm: oh lol, I was just about to complement you with that presize bug hit ;) |
| 08:14.30 | ectospasm | only my fiance can complete me ;-P |
| 08:15.26 | SzArAk | thank you all for that hints, very useful and interesting |
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| 08:15.53 | laite | hi! is there any support/help - channel for debian wheezy? |
| 08:16.06 | ectospasm | laite: #debian-next@oftc |
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| 08:16.33 | laite | ectospasm: that seems to be invite-only nowdays :/ |
| 08:17.08 | ectospasm | laite: no, #debian-next on the OFTC network, not freenode... |
| 08:17.54 | laite | ectospasm: oops, thanks - I'll try that :) |
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| 08:18.42 | jelly-home | SzArAk: and what about 127.1 ? |
| 08:19.09 | ectospasm | 127.235.70 |
| 08:19.27 | SzArAk | jelly-home: same thing - man inet_addr defines that case (a.b) clearly |
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| 08:19.53 | SzArAk | Part a specifies the first byte of the binary address; Part b is interpreted as a 24-bit value that defines the rightmost three bytes of the binary address. |
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| 08:21.08 | SzArAk | ectospasm: and that's a.b.c case - it seems quite clear for me know how and why it works like that |
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| 08:29.24 | jelly-home | pings 127.66666 with wild abandon |
| 08:30.57 | John_Zhi | ping |
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| 08:34.08 | cardamon | Are DKMS and KMS different things? |
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| 08:35.38 | streuner__ | what the hell is KMS? |
| 08:35.42 | streuner__ | dpkg, kms |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 08:36.18 | streuner__ | cardamon: i know only dkms, its a dell thingie, IIRC |
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| 08:37.01 | streuner__ | cardamon: dkms should be an easy way to compile third party modules for a kernel... |
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| 08:39.59 | John_Zhi | Hello everyone, I'm new for this channel, is there anyone can tell me how to check why my PC can't ssh to my debian server? I had checked hosts.deny, no block entry for my ip address |
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| 08:40.32 | John_Zhi | and if I add my IP to hosts.allow, then I can ssh to the server |
| 08:40.35 | nsadmin | what happens when you try |
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| 08:40.59 | John_Zhi | wait for a moment,I paste the error message for you |
| 08:41.01 | nsadmin | hmm, what's in hosts.deny? |
| 08:41.08 | John_Zhi | nothing |
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| 08:42.41 | somiaj | John_Zhi: ssh -vv host |
| 08:43.15 | John_Zhi | ok, I'll try ssh -vv host |
| 08:44.00 | nsadmin | ok, saying as you have, that a solution is put the IP in hosts.allow, there must be something going on involving those... my suggestion to do first, is man hosts_access |
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| 08:44.28 | nsadmin | there may be something weird that happens when hosts.deny is empty |
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| 08:48.26 | somiaj | it could also be a sshd_conf setting that denys all hosts by default only allowing white listed ones. |
| 08:48.42 | John_Zhi | I've tried to use ssh connect the server, first time I can connect, then I exit and try again, then I can't connect to server, the auth.log shows "sshd[1479]:refused connect from 192.168.1.204" |
| 08:49.48 | John_Zhi | and the denyhosts add a entry of my IP to hosts.deny |
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| 08:50.56 | cardamon | streuner: I thought dkms was Dynamic Kernel Mode Setting. |
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| 08:52.55 | nkuttler | !tell cardamon about dkms |
| 08:52.58 | dawud | John_Zhi: do you have fail2ban installed on the server side? |
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| 08:53.01 | cardamon | ah |
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| 08:53.11 | John_Zhi | this is the last line of ouput of "ssh -vv host" ssh: Could not resolve hostname host: Name or service not known |
| 08:53.23 | somiaj | cardamon: yes dkms and kms are different things. |
| 08:53.36 | somiaj | John_Zhi: host is what ever you are sshing to, be it an ip or an hostname |
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| 08:54.24 | somiaj | the -vv just adds some verbose from the client level. But it almost looks like something like denyhosts or other similar tool is detecting your ip as an attack and blocking it |
| 08:54.42 | John_Zhi | oh,sorry I missread |
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| 08:54.44 | bitHipy | does the 'shutdown' command do 'kill -9' on everything, or is it sophisticated enough to progressively increase kill levels on each process? |
| 08:55.28 | somiaj | bitHipy: neither, it uses initserv and sends every service the 'stop' command to its /etc/init.d/ script |
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| 08:56.06 | somiaj | bitHipy: i.e. it changes your run level and that shuts down services. Processes that were not started as a service will just be killed or die when the shutdown completes (I don't think they are actually sent a kill signal, just die) |
| 08:56.07 | bitHipy | somiaj: some (most?) processes do not have an init.d script |
| 08:56.28 | bitHipy | hmm.. is there a way to improve on that? |
| 08:56.41 | bitHipy | somiaj: my problem is that shutdown kills mutt, and changes are lost |
| 08:57.04 | bitHipy | i want mutt to be killed gracefully, if possible |
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| 08:58.00 | somiaj | by default I can't think of a way to get that behavior. Exit your programgs normally before issuing a shutdown command |
| 08:58.15 | bitHipy | perhaps I should make an init.d script just for graceful shutdowns of apps -- would that work? |
| 08:58.23 | somiaj | you could write a custom init.d script that when it gets sent the 'stop' command goes though and looks for paticular processes and sends them a SIGQUIT |
| 08:58.33 | bitHipy | okay, thanks |
| 08:58.50 | somiaj | I would make it actually serch for paticular applications to shutdown, I don't think you want to just start sending SIGQUIT to all your processes |
| 08:59.08 | bitHipy | yeah, I figured I would tailor it |
| 08:59.18 | John_Zhi | I think so, I'll shutdown the denyhosts to try again. I just can't understand why I can connect at first time but second time there is a block entry added into hosts.deny by denyhosts. |
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| 09:00.06 | bitHipy | it could even be good enough to inject exit commands via gnu screen commands |
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| 09:01.25 | somiaj | John_Zhi: depending on your settings maybe it is being extra agerssive. Might just deny you based on the fact you tried to ssh in twice in a certain period of time. |
| 09:03.11 | John_Zhi | ok,I'll check the config again. I use putty for ssh client on windows. |
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| 09:04.36 | John_Zhi | sorry I have another question: how to talk to specified people? like you do "<somiaj>John_Zhi:......." |
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| 09:05.36 | nsadmin | type: nsadmin: and then your comment |
| 09:05.45 | nsadmin | or use a comma like this |
| 09:05.52 | nsadmin | nsadmin, that was a comma |
| 09:06.04 | John_Zhi | nsadmin, let me try |
| 09:06.08 | John_Zhi | ??? |
| 09:06.19 | nsadmin | you did it! yay! |
| 09:06.48 | John_Zhi | nsadmin:yes? |
| 09:07.49 | nsadmin | you will still be talking on the channel... and, the other person will know you are addressing them |
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| 09:10.37 | John_Zhi | nsadmin:if someone's nickname is very long, how can I type the letters one by one? can I copy? I use "ClicksAndWhistles" for IRC client on windows pc |
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| 09:13.19 | cardamon | Hmm...so I can't use KMS to get a native resolution VT and the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
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| 09:17.06 | nsadmin | well... you can do exactly that, type them... you could also try cut and paste, and finally you can try hitting tab when you have typed some of it |
| 09:17.21 | nsadmin | depending of course on which irc client you use |
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| 09:18.13 | John_Zhi | oh,yes, thank you very much, I like the TAB key |
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| 09:21.28 | John_Zhi | it's time to off work, bye, thanks for your help, everyone. |
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| 09:52.57 | thomaschaaf | I just upgraded a debian lenny system with xen 3.2 to debian squeeze with 4.0. I am using vif-route and sadly this causes the following errors: http://pastie.org/3899157 googling I just found many people with the same problem |
| 09:53.24 | thomaschaaf | Is this a debian bug as stated everywhere? And what are the solutions to it? |
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| 09:53.38 | mah454_ | i need run sample bash script when postfix server send message |
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| 09:56.37 | themill | thomaschaaf: would you have edited /etc/xen/scripts/network-route at some stage? dpkg would not have touched the file if you had which then leaves mess on upgrades. Check that the xen-utils-common package is installed, and "/msg dpkg conffile check" to be able to check what dpkg thinks is happening with these conffiles. |
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| 10:00.21 | thomaschaaf | themill: how do I run this command? dpkg conffile check xen-utils-common |
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| 10:00.46 | themill | dpkg: tell thomaschaaf about conffile check |
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| 10:02.36 | klys | !jp |
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| 10:13.15 | thomaschaaf | themill: only xend-config.sxp did not match |
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| 10:15.22 | themill | thomaschaaf: does /etc/xen/scripts/hotplugpath.sh exist? (it should from the squeeze packages) |
| 10:15.33 | thomaschaaf | no it does not |
| 10:16.00 | themill | hmm, and that command didn't complain about that? |
| 10:16.22 | thomaschaaf | themill: I ran: dpkg-query --show -f'${Conffiles}' xen-utils-common | awk 'OFS=" " {print $2, $1}' | md5sum --quiet -c |
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| 10:21.00 | thomaschaaf | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591456 this seems to confirm that the files aren't there |
| 10:21.06 | thomaschaaf | but that way one year ago |
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| 10:26.50 | themill | thomaschaaf: try creating /etc/xen/scripts/hotplugpath.sh with http://paste.debian.net/168447/ |
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| 10:30.24 | aeneusOWO | hi there |
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| 10:30.46 | Armageddon | is there a way to restrict specific applications from showing in the tree ? as in package manager |
| 10:30.53 | aeneusOWO | doesI had trouble installing my wifi |
| 10:30.58 | aeneusOWO | in ubuntu |
| 10:31.29 | aeneusOWO | I would like to install debian... how fast is it compared to windows and ubuntu? |
| 10:31.46 | Armageddon | nothing compares to the speed of windows |
| 10:31.53 | themill | this obviously depends how much porn you're trying to look at all at once |
| 10:31.55 | Armageddon | a turtle is usually faster |
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| 10:32.07 | aeneusOWO | lol |
| 10:32.15 | aeneusOWO | ok... I have a inspiron 1525 |
| 10:32.18 | thomaschaaf | themill: this makes the error go away but there is still the error with proxy_arp. which I don't understand why it's calling "eth" instead of eth0 |
| 10:32.21 | TomyLobo | if you want the fastest distribution, that'd be a source distribution |
| 10:32.37 | aeneusOWO | will I have to install the wifi driver separately like I had to do with ubuntu? |
| 10:32.43 | TomyLobo | takes ages to install, makes you binaries optimized exactly for your system |
| 10:32.58 | themill | aeneusOWO: probably |
| 10:32.58 | Armageddon | 24 hours |
| 10:33.00 | Armageddon | ask me ;) |
| 10:33.41 | TomyLobo | must be a fast machine |
| 10:33.49 | Armageddon | now, is there a way to restrict specific applications from showing in the tree ? as in package manager |
| 10:34.01 | Armageddon | TomyLobo, amd ultra turion, not exactly the definition of fast no |
| 10:34.29 | themill | thomaschaaf: that sounds like a problem with the xen configuration meaning that it's not working out what devices are present -- either set "netdev" to eth0 or "vifnum" to 0 somehow. That's all I can tell you about it though. We exceeded my knowledge of xen about an hour ago. |
| 10:35.07 | thomaschaaf | themill: thank you very much :) |
| 10:35.25 | aeneusOWO | which linux best suits an inspiron 1525 dell laptop with 3gb memory ram |
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| 10:45.36 | TomyLobo | how do i turn off aptitude's "Resolving dependencies" thing |
| 10:45.49 | TomyLobo | it spams the screen with internal errors and i dont need it right now anyway |
| 10:46.18 | TomyLobo | "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice." |
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| 10:48.24 | themill | sounds like a situation where using apt-get might be better. What are you trying to do atm? |
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| 10:49.47 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to work around apt-get because it doesnt work: |
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| 10:50.08 | TomyLobo | it tells me that immediate configuration failed for some package |
| 10:50.26 | TomyLobo | deactivating APT::Immediate-Configure doesnt help either though |
| 10:50.26 | themill | aptitude is unlikely to do any better thre |
| 10:50.30 | themill | !immediate configuration |
| 10:50.30 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." Fixing this is quite difficult and will take time... if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install" will often be enough to solve the problem. If "dpkg -r" complains about dependencies, consider adding "--force-depends". |
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| 10:50.41 | TomyLobo | yeah you gave me that factoid before |
| 10:50.48 | TomyLobo | i tried all of it, nothing worked |
| 10:50.49 | themill | ahh... it was you was it ;) |
| 10:50.55 | thewanderer1 | does Squeeze's virt-manager & libvirt support IOMMU / VT-d PCI device assignment? |
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| 10:51.40 | TomyLobo | currently i'm trying to manually resolve conflicts and see how that works out |
| 10:51.45 | themill | TomyLobo: so "dpkg -r --force-depends phonon-backend-vlc; apt-get -f install" doesn't manage to fix things? |
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| 10:55.54 | TomyLobo | themill "dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove phonon-backend-vlc which isn't installed." |
| 10:56.43 | TomyLobo | apt-get -f install does nothing: |
| 10:56.57 | TomyLobo | reading package list, building dep tree, reading state info |
| 10:57.10 | TomyLobo | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 1620 not upgraded |
| 10:57.13 | themill | TomyLobo: ok... so what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to do now? |
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| 10:57.49 | TomyLobo | themill it wants to upgrade packages. do you want them all? |
| 10:58.18 | TomyLobo | 1613 upgraded, 634 newly installed, 47 to remove, 1 not upgraded. |
| 10:58.32 | themill | TomyLobo: let it go for it, I'd say |
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| 10:58.46 | TomyLobo | same error as before |
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| 10:59.20 | TomyLobo | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 11:00.24 | themill | grumph |
| 11:00.51 | themill | what does "apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc" do? |
| 11:01.03 | TomyLobo | same error last time |
| 11:01.33 | TomyLobo | 285 upgraded, 157 newly installed, 19 to remove, 1329 not upgraded |
| 11:01.49 | TomyLobo | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'kde-plasma-netbook'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 11:01.56 | TomyLobo | another package i never installed \o/ |
| 11:02.04 | themill | poor apt... it's not coping with all these circular dependency chains |
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| 11:03.32 | themill | Perhaps try removing phonon as well. And kde-standard and kde-full if you have to. Installing lots of kde stuff after the upgrade is easy enough to do |
| 11:03.33 | TomyLobo | apt-get install kde-plasma-netbook gives up entirely |
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| 11:04.31 | TomyLobo | yeah i can always reinstall it... |
| 11:04.56 | themill | (I'm looking at those packages as being the only rdepends of the ones apt is complaining about) |
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| 11:08.03 | TomyLobo | all these conflicts seemed centered around libc |
| 11:08.23 | TomyLobo | i wonder, didnt libc stay the same in years? |
| 11:08.37 | TomyLobo | or at least backwards-compatible |
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| 11:12.23 | themill | TomyLobo: libc is pretty good but the debian packaging has of course all changed over to multiarch paths and keeping everything running during the upgrade is tricky. So a pile of libraries get bound into one big "must be upgraded at once" pile and then python and perl modules wrapped around those libraries will also need upgrading, so python and perl get caught up in this, and then things that depend on libraries with unstable APIs (like multimedia |
| 11:12.25 | themill | stuff) need to be installed too so that the media player still has libraries for it, ... and then the entire system is stuck in one big upgrade step and apt has to decide how to break the circular relationship to be able to do a linear install/configure on them and it fails to work out how to do so. |
| 11:13.05 | themill | End result is brown matter hitting ceiling-mounted rotating objects. |
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| 11:13.32 | TomyLobo | heh |
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| 11:23.40 | oznt | hi everyone , i just made a clean install of debian wheezy and the fonts look horrible. the situation turned a bit better when i disabled /etc/init.d/console-setup |
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| 11:24.10 | oznt | but I am still fighting to make the fonts as good as they are in the latest ubuntu, can someone here help ? |
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| 11:29.56 | bitHipy | how can slrn be configured to use a specific port for an NNTP server? |
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| 11:46.12 | nsadmin | bitHipy, man slrn... you'll either find out the option or that slrn doesn't have one |
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| 11:50.24 | bitHipy | nsadmin: the man page doesn't begin to give all the options.. but in this case it seems to imply a possible answer. i'll experiment |
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| 11:53.12 | bitHipy | it turns out 'export NNTPSERVER="nntp.server.com:443"' does not work |
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| 12:01.59 | bitHipy | got my answer.. must use a full URL for SSL=> 'export NNTPSERVER="snews://nntp.server.com:443"' |
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| 12:15.28 | dawud | creating a /etc/cron.allow with a single line (root) does not prevent other users to issue 'crontab -{e,l}', is that expected? |
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| 12:17.30 | dawud | I mean, they can still edit their crontabs, but won't get executed. I got used to the way AIX behaves: users not in cron.allow get a message when trying to use crontab saying they are not allowed etc... |
| 12:17.48 | themill | dawud: which release of debian is this? |
| 12:18.11 | themill | in squeeze, you get «You ($USER) are not allowed to use this program (crontab)» |
| 12:18.27 | dawud | themill: wheezy, cron version 3.0pl1-121 |
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| 12:19.00 | dawud | themill: maybe there's something else to do after creating a cron.allow file? |
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| 12:21.53 | dawud | themill: in another wheezy box, issuing crontab with a user not in cron.allow just hangs |
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| 12:22.39 | dawud | themill: nah, I can still open a crontab. I don't get blocked at all |
| 12:23.55 | dawud | are wheezy question off-topic in this channel? |
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| 12:24.30 | themill | dawud: you'll often get better answers in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net; I can't see anything in cron's changelog or in the bts about this though |
| 12:24.50 | dawud | themill: very kind from you. thanks. |
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| 12:25.20 | Virtualmix | Hello. Has anyone got an idea of when Gimp 2.8 will go into Unstable repo? |
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| 12:25.46 | themill | !gimp 2.8 |
| 12:25.46 | dpkg | GIMP 2.8 was recently released and an upload of packages for it is being tracked by bug #671399 which is marked as "pending", indicating that an upload is in preparation. |
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| 12:26.14 | themill | (it's in experimental already) |
| 12:26.15 | Virtualmix | Great thank you themill and dpkg ! |
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| 12:26.48 | Virtualmix | I tried to install for experimental but no luck |
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| 12:30.44 | Virtualmix | !iceweasel 12 |
| 12:30.55 | Virtualmix | mmm |
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| 12:31.28 | Virtualmix | I must be doing it wrong |
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| 12:31.37 | themill | iceweasel 12 is also in experimenta; |
| 12:31.49 | themill | (or on mozilla.d.n for squeeze users) |
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| 12:32.07 | Virtualmix | thanks themill :) |
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| 12:41.52 | bolt | people keep bumping into my firewall on port 23 |
| 12:41.59 | bolt | what do people usually expect to find there? telnet login? |
| 12:42.13 | bolt | thought i'd make a very sleepy script to sloooooowly respond with bullshit |
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| 12:46.01 | GNU\colossus | bolt, `grep "[[:blank:]]23/" /etc/services` |
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| 12:46.41 | themill | "getent services 23" |
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| 12:48.22 | tremon | bolt: iptables -j tarpit tends to respond very slowly by itself, no script necessary |
| 12:48.27 | GNU\colossus | ah yes, of course. all hail nsswitch! :) |
| 12:51.42 | fasta | I have about 500 dotfiles in my $HOME. Is there something which can be done about that? |
| 12:52.00 | GNU\colossus | fasta, `rm` should be able to help ;) |
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| 12:52.34 | fasta | GNU\colossus: can I get your newsletter? |
| 12:52.59 | GNU\colossus | fasta, yes, but you should knoe that there is a subscription fee. |
| 12:53.10 | fasta | GNU\colossus: can't be that high. |
| 12:53.32 | GNU\colossus | fasta, little do you know ;) |
| 12:53.58 | GNU\colossus | the mandatory perpetual licensing cost is what drives TCO through the roof |
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| 12:56.27 | thewanderer1 | how do I identify which PCI device is which eth*? |
| 12:57.07 | fasta | GNU\colossus: TCO of Debian isn't cheap either. |
| 12:57.32 | bolt | thanks guys. i'll try the tarpit :) didn't know about getent. neat. |
| 12:58.02 | fasta | GNU\colossus: I read that in a Get the Facts campaign. |
| 12:58.52 | fasta | It has the word Facts in the title, so it must be true. |
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| 13:00.48 | GNU\colossus | fasta, these facts, as well as the campaign promoting them, are also from a reputable source, I take it? from one of the world's leaders in all that complicated, geeky computer stuff, yes? |
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| 13:03.36 | fasta | GNU\colossus: yeah, they must know. |
| 13:03.40 | helmut | hi. is there some documentation on which packages work with which metadata formats (for images)? For instance the geeqie image viewer seems to support XMP, .metadata folders and two different geeqie-internal formats. |
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| 13:04.07 | fasta | Windows 7 is a fairly decent system. |
| 13:04.32 | helmut | fspot seems to use some internal sqlite based metadata. as does shotwell and of course both are incompatible. |
| 13:04.42 | fasta | But it's kind of a lot of work to use it as a development system. |
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| 13:05.01 | fasta | Linux from Scratch is easier then. |
| 13:05.26 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 13:06.02 | phogg | helmut: I don't know of any good single-source for that kind of info |
| 13:06.07 | phogg | helmut: but it's definitely annoying |
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| 13:06.38 | helmut | phogg: maybe we could start some wiki.debian.org page documenting the status quo. |
| 13:06.53 | helmut | any ideas for a name for such a page? |
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| 13:10.11 | thewanderer1 | helmut: MetadataFormats ? |
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| 13:11.31 | helmut | thewanderer1: hmm. there already is MetaLink |
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| 13:11.59 | helmut | thewanderer1: so MetadataFormats seems too general |
| 13:14.17 | thewanderer1 | what's the preferred iSCSI initiator in Squeeze? |
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| 13:16.50 | EternaL | Hi all, I need some help. Do you know how to make a symbolic link to a library in the install section of a make script ? |
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| 13:17.11 | EternaL | install: |
| 13:17.11 | EternaL | install -d -m 0755 -o root -g root $(DESTDIR) |
| 13:17.11 | EternaL | install -m 0755 -o root -g root libbigint.so.1.0 $(DESTDIR) |
| 13:17.11 | EternaL | ln -s $(DESTDIR)/libbigint.so.1.0 $(DESTDIR)/libbigint.so |
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| 13:17.30 | mithrop | hi :) |
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| 13:19.00 | EternaL | anyone ? please. |
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| 13:21.27 | GNU\colossus | are there any distributions that are not directly based on Debian, but use dpkg/apt as their package mgmt infrastructure? |
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| 13:22.48 | themill | EternaL: (a) use a pastebin (b) show output of what is and isn't working (c) ##workingset might be a better place to ask generic toolchain questions |
| 13:22.50 | thewanderer1 | GNU\colossus: a plenty these days are based on Ubuntu, like Linux Mint... |
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| 13:23.11 | EternaL | thanks themill |
| 13:23.14 | tremon | GNU\colossus: opkg is dpkg-inspired |
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| 13:23.38 | GNU\colossus | thewanderer1, ok, I still consider them to be debian based due to the transitive nature of their heritage. I'm just wondering if anybody ever just took dpkg, and built everything around it from scratch. |
| 13:23.54 | GNU\colossus | tremon, yes, I've read about that. |
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| 13:24.16 | tremon | I think there's very little incentive to use dpkg to build something new, considering the open nature of debian |
| 13:24.21 | mithrop | I have a problem with "xserver-xorg-input-synaptics". When I type synaptiks, I have a "sefgault" error... any ideas please ?? |
| 13:25.25 | tremon | mithrop: assuming your system is up-to-date, run it in gdb, and include a backtrace with your bugreport |
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| 13:28.48 | mithrop | tremon, ok. Some new updates from this night I think... I will test them, but I have 8 pbs of dependencies from these updates. Thank you for pointing out.... |
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| 13:30.12 | helmut | phogg: since you seem to have had a similar issue with image metadata, can I ask you to add your knowledge to http://wiki.debian.org/ImageMetaData? |
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| 13:30.15 | tremon | mithrop: you might need to install some -dbg packages for symbols to be resolved. The commands you need inside gdb are "run" and "bt" |
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| 13:30.51 | mithrop | tremon, ok. I'll try with updates installed, then with gdb. |
| 13:31.31 | phogg | helmut: when I get some time I'll add what I know |
| 13:32.21 | djfm | Hi, I'm on debian unstable and I need to downgrade a package whose version I want is not in the repos any longer - can I safely add the debian stable repos alongside my unstable repos to try and get the package or will this cause a huge mess? |
| 13:32.41 | helmut | phogg: thanks |
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| 13:32.53 | helmut | phogg: I have subscribed that page, so I'll see your answer. |
| 13:33.14 | tremon | djfm: that will cause a mess. Tried /msg dpkg snapshot? |
| 13:33.52 | tremon | (the mess will come from downgrading a package, not from adding stable sources btw) |
| 13:33.57 | raboof | 'apt-file search node_events.h' suggests this file is in nodejs-dev, 'apt-cache policy nodejs-dev' suggests there is only 1 version of this package which is the installed version, but 'dpkg -L nodejs-dev' does not show this file |
| 13:34.02 | raboof | any idea what's going on? |
| 13:34.39 | mithrop | tremon, updates didn't change anything. Do I have to reboot to be sure ? -_- |
| 13:34.52 | tremon | raboof: ran apt-file update recently? |
| 13:34.56 | djfm | thanks tremon, but then I have to download all of my package's dependencies manually? |
| 13:34.56 | SomeoneWeird | raboof, node_events has been removed a long time ago, you need to update the package or whatever |
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| 13:35.32 | tremon | mithrop: if you haven't restarted X since your last upgrade, please try. Otherwise it won't make a difference |
| 13:35.39 | raboof | tremon: yes, a minute ago |
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| 13:36.22 | mithrop | ok. some operations to finish before then I'll do it :) |
| 13:36.36 | tremon | djfm: yes with snapshots you must download manually, but I'm hoping you're not considering to downgrade a lot of packages? |
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| 13:37.09 | raboof | SomeoneWeird: 'npm install git' fails with '../compress.cc:2:25: fatal error: node_events.h: No such file or directory' - so the git package is outdated and unusable? |
| 13:37.22 | SomeoneWeird | probably |
| 13:37.28 | djfm | no I just need to downgrade libcairo2 because it messes up google chrome with nvidia, but it has like 10 dependencies |
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| 13:38.19 | gez | Hi |
| 13:38.31 | gez | speaking of libcairo2 |
| 13:38.38 | tremon | djfm: there's a good chance that if you use a recent snapshot, there will be less dependency issues |
| 13:38.42 | gez | http://lovingthepenguin.blogspot.com.ar/2010/07/ubuntu-font-rendering-in-debian-squeeze.html |
| 13:38.52 | gez | why this isn't part of default debian? |
| 13:39.01 | gez | (I mean, patches for font rendering) |
| 13:39.07 | gez | Some licensing issue or something? |
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| 13:39.56 | gez | I just followed that guide and the difference between default font rendering in testing and after that patch is impressive |
| 13:40.54 | nsadmin | you could ask the maint |
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| 13:41.34 | gez | How do I find him? |
| 13:41.54 | gez | (I'm new here, sorry if that's a dumb question) |
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| 13:42.58 | mick_laptop | gez: reading the "Update:" lines says that it is unnecessary |
| 13:43.15 | mick_laptop | if you have a recent version of iceweasel |
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| 13:44.45 | mick_laptop | gez: can I see a screenshot? (something like a before/after)? |
| 13:44.49 | gez | mick_laptop: I know. I went the easy way and updated iceweasel |
| 13:44.57 | gez | But there's something else to do |
| 13:45.19 | gez | there are some hingint and antialiasing rules |
| 13:45.26 | gez | check comment from @Marius |
| 13:45.34 | gez | I'm uploading a screenshot |
| 13:45.53 | themill | (if you're running wheezy, then the iceweasel update is irrelevant too) |
| 13:45.59 | gez | (I don't have a "before" one) |
| 13:46.21 | gez | I needed to update to iceweasel beta to get the right updates |
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| 13:46.46 | gez | (which containt the patch. Stable iceweasel in wheezy didn't) |
| 13:47.04 | stockholm | i have a reprepo problem |
| 13:47.11 | mick_laptop | I just want to know if mine looks "worse" :) |
| 13:47.14 | stockholm | let me put together a paste |
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| 13:48.28 | mick_laptop | $ aptitude search libcairo2 |
| 13:48.29 | mick_laptop | i A libcairo2 |
| 13:50.19 | gez | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/255376/font-rendering-debian.png |
| 13:50.23 | gez | mick_laptop: |
| 13:52.35 | gez | Hmmm. I wonder if the iceweasel update is really necessary after all. |
| 13:53.15 | themill | iceweasel has nothing to do with it. It's just the repo that has newer iceweasel for squeeze also has newer cairo for squeeze which solves most of this |
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| 13:53.55 | gez | Then it's only matter of adding the antialiasing and hinting rules described in @Marius comment? |
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| 13:54.55 | stockholm | can someone explain to me why a package was not picked up by my reprepo config? |
| 13:54.57 | stockholm | http://paste.debian.net/168467/ |
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| 13:56.54 | gez | themill: if the only thing needed is adding those rules and nothing else (ando of course there ins't something wrong with those rules), then it seems easy to fix. Who do I need to contact for that? |
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| 13:57.13 | gez | It would be a very positive change for Debian looks |
| 13:57.37 | themill | gez: it might be that those changes only work nicely on your hardware -- font rendering tends to be a bit of a black art |
| 13:58.04 | mick_laptop | gez: http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg17/scaled.php?server=17&filename=fontrendering.png&res=landing for a side by side comparison from what I have |
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| 13:58.41 | gez | mick_laptop: and what do you think? |
| 13:58.52 | mick_laptop | yours looks nicer :P |
| 13:59.16 | mick_laptop | oddly enough my desktop looks the same (font-wise) |
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| 13:59.43 | mick_laptop | but iceweasel's rendering (and also thunderbird's rendering btw) |
| 13:59.52 | gez | themill: everyone I know (using debian and caring about how fonts look) complain about debian font rendering |
| 13:59.55 | mick_laptop | err, not tb - whatever the other name ice ice...something |
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| 14:00.17 | themill | gez: well I'm evidently your counter-example. Looks fine to me. |
| 14:00.24 | gez | And there are several articles saying how to achieve "ubuntu's font rendering" in debian |
| 14:00.28 | mick_laptop | gez: let us just try to find the person responsible for it and file a bug report |
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| 14:00.48 | gez | themill: is your screen LCD or CRT? |
| 14:00.54 | themill | LCD |
| 14:00.55 | mick_laptop | themill: ya, it looks "fine" - not "good" |
| 14:01.08 | mick_laptop | gez: CRT? what year is this? |
| 14:01.50 | gez | mick_laptop: You'd be surprised. There are lots of crt monitors out there in poor countries |
| 14:02.10 | gez | Argentina (where I live) isn't necessarily a poor country but I can see lots of them yet |
| 14:02.26 | mick_laptop | ah yes |
| 14:02.40 | gez | And to be honest, I still have a couple of them because they're far better (color-wise) than TN LCDs |
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| 14:02.44 | mick_laptop | also Argentina is awesome (I've been there before) |
| 14:02.50 | gez | (and IPS panels are damn expensive) |
| 14:03.07 | mick_laptop | awesome people, and awesome beer, and good soccer |
| 14:03.22 | mick_laptop | just wanted to say that (as a European) |
| 14:03.32 | mick_laptop | but that is OT |
| 14:03.32 | gez | I'm glad you liked us. Many locals wouldn't agreen :p |
| 14:03.39 | gez | *agree |
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| 14:04.20 | mick_laptop | I think I was mainly busy checking out the girls (I was at that age when I went) :) |
| 14:04.54 | gez | I'm still at that age. My wife doesn't agree. |
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| 14:05.06 | mick_laptop | hahahhaha |
| 14:05.37 | mick_laptop | well, who would be the maintainer - would this be for libcairo2 or otherwise? |
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| 14:06.01 | gez | Apparently libcairo2 in testing is already able to manage this rendering |
| 14:06.23 | gez | It looks more like something related to the antialiasing and hinting rules |
| 14:06.38 | mick_laptop | which would be maintained by... ;) |
| 14:06.48 | gez | (Marius' comment) |
| 14:06.59 | GNU\colossus | anyone in here running Debian on a Raspberry Pi? |
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| 14:07.08 | gez | good question. |
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| 14:07.37 | gez | If it's a question. If libcairo's mantainer takes care of that, then it's easy :) |
| 14:07.54 | tremon | you don't need the name of the maintainer to file a bug report/wishlist item though |
| 14:08.00 | gez | Thanks for your help mick_laptop and themill |
| 14:08.19 | gez | I'll keep you posted if I find something else out. |
| 14:08.20 | superuser_ir | hi how to solve this error "" http://www.pastie.org/3900013"" |
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| 14:09.10 | mick_laptop | I hate it when that happens |
| 14:09.44 | mick_laptop | tremon: but what package would be a start |
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| 14:10.02 | themill | superuser_ir: context is helpful... |
| 14:10.09 | mithrop | tremon, gdb tells me that "/usr/bin/synaptiks" is not an executable file oO |
| 14:10.11 | mick_laptop | since he mentioned a comment that just linked to a comment thread that mentions 4 packages |
| 14:10.21 | superuser_ir | themill : why |
| 14:10.34 | superuser_ir | ? |
| 14:10.37 | mick_laptop | mithrop: what are the permissions? |
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| 14:11.03 | tremon | superuser_ir: because there are 1128 people in this channel, and none are likely to click a link if they don't know what it |
| 14:11.06 | tremon | 's about |
| 14:11.07 | mick_laptop | superuser_ir: hahaha. because we have no fucking clue as to what you are doing |
| 14:11.23 | themill | superuser_ir: umm... ok, in the absence of any information about what you are doing, I can definitely say that the easiest way to prevent that error is to stop doing whatever it is you are doing. |
| 14:11.28 | mick_laptop | it just says a one liner: |
| 14:11.28 | mick_laptop | unable to connect to 127.0.0.1:9933 |
| 14:11.50 | mick_laptop | no reason for a pastebin for that |
| 14:11.53 | thewanderer1 | okay, so what does one use as an iSCSI initiator in Squeeze? |
| 14:12.01 | tremon | mithrop: what does file have to say about it? |
| 14:12.06 | mithrop | mick_laptop, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 303 févr. 18 15:27 synaptiks |
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| 14:12.44 | mick_laptop | mithrop: that is weird :-/ |
| 14:13.09 | AB2jabbar | http://pastie.org/3900027 |
| 14:13.22 | mick_laptop | thewanderer1: if you find out (or find a good guide on iSCSI w/ debian) - let me know. I haven't used iSCSI before |
| 14:13.27 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.49 | mithrop | tremon, what do you mean ? |
| 14:14.00 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.21 | tremon | mithrop: file /usr/bin/synaptiks |
| 14:14.22 | TomyLobo | can i remove a kernel package while that kernel is running? |
| 14:14.36 | TomyLobo | i mean without crashing the system :) |
| 14:14.36 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.09 | mick_laptop | use `env` and look for a proxy env variable |
| 14:15.24 | mick_laptop | you probably don't have the proxy running |
| 14:15.28 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:15.53 | mick_laptop | since I can: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso just fine |
| 14:16.11 | mick_laptop | AB2jabbar: ^^^^ |
| 14:16.15 | TomyLobo | superuser_ir i didnt understand that |
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| 14:17.10 | superuser_ir | if u remove kernel in last reboot your system did'nt run |
| 14:17.14 | mithrop | tremon, do you want to know the answer given by gdb when I type file /usr/bin/synaptiks ? |
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| 14:18.04 | TomyLobo | that doesnt make sense... did you mean "if you remove your only kernel, your system won't boot up after a restart"? |
| 14:18.28 | TomyLobo | that's kinda obvious :) i of course am talking about removing a kernel after installing a replacement |
| 14:18.29 | tremon | mithrop: file is a command. quit gdb, run "file /usr/bin/synaptiks" and show the output (it's only one 1 line) |
| 14:19.01 | AB2jabbar | mick_laptop:http://pastie.org/3900046 |
| 14:19.14 | mithrop | tremon, "/usr/bin/synaptiks: Python script, ASCII text executable" |
| 14:20.16 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.52 | tremon | grmbl. then gdb /usr/bin/python, set args /usr/bin/synaptiks, run, bt |
| 14:21.18 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.30 | mick_laptop | themill: that conversation that was w/ gez - I think I found the bug in the bts: https://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.maint.x/browse_thread/thread/d6e61887aab49705/ad1e503464029fc6?q=ubuntu+font+group:linux.debian.bugs.dist#ad1e503464029fc6 |
| 14:21.31 | tremon | hope that synaptiks doesn't use os.system or the like |
| 14:21.42 | mick_laptop | themill: in case you were interested |
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| 14:22.16 | themill | !dbugs 641197 |
| 14:22.20 | dpkg | #641197:W[libxft2] libxft2: Include Ubuntu LCD filter patch (); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:06:07 UTC [] |
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| 14:22.59 | mithrop | tremon, seems ok :) this is the BT : http://pastebin.com/h7SGw8Ae |
| 14:23.28 | TomyLobo | why *must* sudoers be edited with visudo, but files in sudoers.d don't have to? |
| 14:23.52 | themill | TomyLobo: well, you don't *have* to edit sudoers with visudo, it's just very highly recommended. |
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| 14:24.05 | tremon | TomyLobo: it's more of a must than should, and applies for all such files |
| 14:24.50 | TomyLobo | what's so special about visudo? |
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| 14:24.57 | TomyLobo | it just opens nano here |
| 14:25.01 | tremon | TomyLobo: it's because visudo performs syntax checking when you quit. If you edit /etc/sudoers and make a typo you have locked yourself out |
| 14:25.17 | TomyLobo | except if i have the root password |
| 14:25.19 | TomyLobo | *cough* |
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| 14:25.39 | mick_laptop | TomyLobo: that is because your EDITOR env variable is set to nano |
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| 14:25.49 | tremon | I believe visudo nowadays is a symlink to sudoedit |
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| 14:26.01 | mick_laptop | if you change it to something decent, then that won't happen :P |
| 14:26.18 | mick_laptop | tremon: could be |
| 14:26.33 | TomyLobo | like mcedit :) |
| 14:26.35 | akoma1s | update-alternatives --config editor |
| 14:26.54 | tremon | mithrop: see if you can find out which -dbg package you need for /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/sip.so and /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PyKDE4/kdecore.so |
| 14:27.12 | mick_laptop | things seem to be changing around me left and right |
| 14:27.26 | tremon | hopes kind souls on this channel knows more about debugging python than him |
| 14:27.40 | mick_laptop | now-a-days, I can't even ctrl+alt+backspace anymore w/o changing a freaking config |
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| 14:28.11 | TomyLobo | akoma1s thanks that's much better :) |
| 14:28.15 | mick_laptop | *on most linux systems |
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| 14:28.22 | akoma1s | anytime :) |
| 14:28.27 | TomyLobo | beats me why nano is debian's default |
| 14:28.55 | akoma1s | prolly because vim sends little kids screaming away |
| 14:29.00 | mick_laptop | because pico had messed up licensing ;) |
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| 14:29.09 | TomyLobo | no, it screams at little kids |
| 14:29.21 | TomyLobo | ok let me change that charac--- beeebeepBEEEEP |
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| 14:29.28 | akoma1s | hahah |
| 14:29.33 | themill | mithrop, tremon: pykde4 is known to be broken atm |
| 14:29.51 | TomyLobo | vim is the bus driver from south park |
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| 14:30.29 | mithrop | themill, tremon : so it can be my problem with synaptiks. I can wait a little bit to be sure :) |
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| 14:30.58 | TomyLobo | akoma1s and i guess mcedit makes another group of users rage? |
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| 14:31.40 | akoma1s | mcedit should've had a higher priority than nano, indeed |
| 14:31.48 | akoma1s | perhaps a bug report is in order... |
| 14:32.02 | TomyLobo | it's the best non-modal (well, apart from dialogs and a pull-down menu) editor i know of |
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| 14:32.07 | mick_laptop | what the hell is mcedit |
| 14:32.19 | TomyLobo | midnight commander's editor |
| 14:33.22 | TomyLobo | if you remember norton commander (volkov commander is similar), that's it |
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| 14:33.51 | akoma1s | and nano resembles wordstar 2000 :) |
| 14:34.12 | mick_laptop | TomyLobo: why would anyone recommend that at all? |
| 14:34.33 | akoma1s | supposedly mcedit is friendlier than nano |
| 14:34.38 | mick_laptop | but, hey to everyone their own |
| 14:34.39 | TomyLobo | a lot |
| 14:34.47 | TomyLobo | F keys instead of ctrl-whatever |
| 14:34.49 | thewanderer1 | I have added a PCI device to my VM in virt-manager. now, "virsh start" on it hangs, and so does "virsh list" when the VM is starting. it never manages to start... |
| 14:35.01 | TomyLobo | and dialog windows instead of a prompt |
| 14:35.02 | thewanderer1 | the qemu log is empty |
| 14:35.04 | akoma1s | although it's very poor on features :( |
| 14:35.10 | TomyLobo | also, syntax highlighting |
| 14:36.07 | TomyLobo | and much more usable clipboard features |
| 14:36.32 | akoma1s | TomyLobo: see nano -Y, although it's more of a joke without filetype detection |
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| 14:36.57 | TomyLobo | heh |
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| 15:07.32 | develtech | hi all members. |
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| 15:07.55 | develtech | getting issue while creating Encrypted LVM partition in Debian |
| 15:07.59 | develtech | can some one helps me |
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| 15:09.34 | tremon | develtech: you need to provide more info first |
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| 15:10.09 | develtech | tremon, Thanks for attention.. |
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| 15:10.26 | tremon | what did you try, what errors do you get, what do you want to achieve, etc... |
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| 15:11.28 | develtech | I am installing Debian (Lenny) and i Want to Encrypt Hard Disk at Installation of Debian . So i Chosen "Guided Partition and Encrypted " |
| 15:12.03 | tremon | develtech: you're aware that lenny was EOL'd four months ago? |
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| 15:12.46 | develtech | Yeah i know, I will use Squeez next time but right now i hve not Squeez iso,, so i am just installting it in VM machine |
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| 15:14.02 | develtech | tremon, I selected Guided- use Entire disk and set up Encrypted LVM |
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| 15:14.58 | tremon | ok, so far so good... although I don't have much faith in the partitioning recipes myself :) |
| 15:15.17 | develtech | then after selecting hard disk , i got an other prompt to chose Partition scheme: i selected Seprated /home, /var./usr |
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| 15:17.25 | develtech | and then i got two partition . one is /boot and other is showing not active for crypto FS |
| 15:18.18 | develtech | then i got error when i click on Finish Partition |
| 15:18.34 | develtech | any one help me please? |
| 15:19.05 | tremon | what error do you get? |
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| 15:20.45 | develtech | tremon, "Configuration of encrypted Volumes Failed" An error Occured while configuring encrypted volumes |
| 15:20.54 | develtech | and the Configuration has been aborted |
| 15:22.41 | tremon | hmm... not sure what the recipe should have been doing, but so far it's been correct. Can you continue with manual partition setup? |
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| 15:23.07 | tremon | the first partition is unencrypted /boot, the second will be an encrypted lvm partition |
| 15:23.32 | develtech | tremon, okay ,, then ? |
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| 15:25.00 | tremon | once the partitions have been setup (and setting up a partition for encryption will take a *long* time), you should continue by configuring the logical volumes |
| 15:25.17 | tremon | mind you, I do not know the exact steps in the lenny installer |
| 15:25.46 | develtech | tremon, let me try manual. one is /boot and other will be encypted LVM,, right?? |
| 15:25.51 | tremon | yes |
| 15:26.17 | develtech | tremon, Thanks for time and guidance.. i will try this with in 5-10 minute |
| 15:26.18 | develtech | Thanks |
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| 15:26.58 | tremon | and I would not use a separate /usr partition, while you're at it. Some modern software no longer works correctly with / and /usr split |
| 15:27.26 | tremon | s/modern/new/ |
| 15:30.23 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there an example of xorg.conf for a dual monitor config ? (Not two monitors displaying the same image). I know I can do that with xrandr but it's gone every reboot |
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| 15:32.16 | nkuttler | lord_rob: just google one |
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| 15:32.43 | tremon | lord_rob: http://paste.debian.net/168475/ -- season to taste |
| 15:33.15 | lord_rob | yep that's what I'm doing, also reading x strike force |
| 15:34.24 | lord_rob | but if anyone had something fantastic to suggest, I haven't found a config that works for me |
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| 15:35.53 | raboof | i downloaded the wenquanyi X11 font (xfonts-wqy), but when I select that in xfontsel it stop updating the lower panel of the tool |
| 15:36.25 | lord_rob | thanks tremon I will try that |
| 15:36.34 | raboof | do I need to do anything further to properly install the font? |
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| 15:50.26 | raboof | ah restarting X worked |
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| 15:51.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | I know that the CD/DVD images contain all of "main" repository packages, and contains non of the non-free packages. What about contrib, are they all included or not at all? |
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| 16:02.32 | calrogman | LinuxGuy2009: Contrib packages are included, since they're all DFSG compliant, but they depend on packages in non-free so putting them on the CD is pointless IMHO. |
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| 16:09.07 | jordanm | calrogman: they don't always depend on packages from non-free. sometimes they download and install non-free software from external sources (eg flash) |
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| 16:10.18 | calrogman | jordanm: My mistake. |
| 16:10.19 | Olypoly | Does anybody know why cfdisk /dev/sda would show 1.05mb of free space before the first partition /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 16:10.55 | calrogman | Olypoly: Because there's 1.05mb of free space before the first parition? :-) |
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| 16:12.22 | Olypoly | is there an easy way of reclaiming for 1.05mb? |
| 16:12.46 | tremon | Olypoly: no |
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| 16:13.51 | tremon | It's a guess but you might want to stop formatting/partitioning such drives in windows |
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| 16:22.14 | Pavel | Hi. Sorry about a silly question, but I honestly haven't been able to find a utility that does this. Is there a convenient way to list a package's build-depends? Don't install them like apt-get build-deps does, but just list them. |
| 16:23.09 | tremon | Pavel: apt-get -s build-deps? |
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| 16:24.10 | Pavel | tremon: Thanks. I missed the -s option in apt-get. |
| 16:24.22 | jordanm | Pavel: apt-cache showsrc <package> |
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| 16:24.47 | jordanm | tremon: that will only show build-deps that are not installed |
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| 16:25.30 | tremon | ah yes, you're right |
| 16:27.04 | Pavel | jordanm: Thanks! |
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| 16:36.09 | Olypoly | I am trying to convert my system from a non raid to a raid 1. Is seems possible to create a raid 1 array with a single drive with a force option, is it possible to add the mirror in afterwards? |
| 16:36.36 | valdyn | Olypoly: instructions are at /usr/share/doc/mdadm |
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| 16:37.55 | Olypoly | I am aware of the procedure for this but have some trouble with messed up partition tables and if I specify the original partition as missing it says its not suitable for any style of array. So am looking for an alternative |
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| 16:38.17 | valdyn | Olypoly: so fix your partition table |
| 16:38.50 | valdyn | Olypoly: how can you specify a partition as missing? |
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| 16:39.04 | valdyn | Olypoly: either its specified or missing, but not both |
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| 16:46.37 | Olypoly | valdyn: am running "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level-1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sdb1" the /dev/sdb1 is the new fresh partition on the new drive |
| 16:47.03 | Olypoly | and it says "device /dev/sdb1 not suitable for any style of array" |
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| 16:49.23 | valdyn | Olypoly: use --verbose |
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| 16:50.49 | Olypoly | valdyn: now says thats its busy but don't see why this would be? |
| 16:51.06 | valdyn | Olypoly: its used by something else |
| 16:51.19 | valdyn | Olypoly: http://forums-web2.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6207944.html?sid=4dd13ee0612be531ec89724ce8c1ed79 |
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| 17:21.04 | Lorra | Hi everyone! Has anybody ever used optical character recognition software under Debian? I was using one called tesseract on a two-column text but I get only the first column in text output; I would like to have both of them. Does anybody have a clue about that? |
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| 17:40.42 | archerirz | hello |
| 17:40.49 | jmd | I've got an application that has to be built with autoconf 2.64 - now debian has a 2.64 package but it appears to depend upon 2.67 (go figure?) and this means it's impossible to call it in the normal way. Is this a bug or have I misunderstood something? |
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| 17:45.39 | woonix | jmd: What I usually see is a package will require version x.xx or higher, not a specific version only. That's not the case here? |
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| 17:47.33 | Giada96 | ciao |
| 17:47.39 | Giada96 | list |
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| 17:48.12 | nsadmin | an italian that didn't know how to do it.. |
| 17:48.20 | jmd | woonix: No. Development versions often require exact versions of autotools, because autotools don't have stable interfaces. |
| 17:49.05 | jelly-home | jmd: what's wrong with just calling /usr/bin/autoconf2.64 and its friends? |
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| 17:49.33 | nsadmin | !list |
| 17:49.33 | dpkg | nsadmin: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 17:51.24 | jmd | jelly-home: Because it's done by a script which calls simply "autoconf" |
| 17:51.35 | jmd | or "aclocal" or whatever. |
| 17:52.15 | jelly-home | fix the script, then |
| 17:52.31 | jmd | It's not mine to fix. |
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| 17:52.49 | nsadmin | also there are already executables called autoconf and aclocal |
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| 17:53.29 | jmd | nsadmin: But they are pointing to version 2.67 and I need 2.64 |
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| 17:54.43 | nsadmin | why not just adjust the build system? what are the consequences of using the available versions? |
| 17:55.24 | jelly-home | "things fail to build" |
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| 17:56.36 | jmd | nsadmin: Adjust it in what way? |
| 17:56.50 | jelly-home | jmd: aclocal is managed by the alternatives system, so it shouldn't pose a problem |
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| 17:57.02 | nsadmin | such that it works with the available version of autoconf/aclocal |
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| 17:57.33 | jelly-home | (aclocal is automake, not autoconf) |
| 17:57.36 | jmd | jelly-home: Hmm. I tried using that once before. Not only was it extremely complicated to use, one has to be root. |
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| 17:57.59 | jelly-home | jmd: yes, one does. What other limitations do you have in place you have not told us about? |
| 17:58.15 | jelly-home | you don't have root, you can't edit your own build scripts...? |
| 17:58.16 | nsadmin | you could go to http://ftp.gnu.org, find the autoconf version you want, and build it into your home dir |
| 17:58.16 | jmd | Last time I tried using update-alternatives I completely screwed the system. |
| 17:58.47 | jmd | nsadmin: Yes I could do that, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to. |
| 17:59.11 | jelly-home | it's going to be rather hard to install that autoconf2.64 with root |
| 17:59.16 | nsadmin | hope is an aspect of fear |
| 17:59.28 | jelly-home | without* it |
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| 18:00.16 | jmd | Anyway I find it odd, that I cannot install 2.64 without also installing 2.67 |
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| 18:02.49 | nsadmin | you can of course spending time "finding it odd" |
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| 18:03.42 | nsadmin | err... you can of course -spend- time "finding it odd" |
| 18:04.06 | jelly-home | jmd: have you considered setting up a link farm in PATH pointing to correct versions of tools |
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| 18:05.20 | jmd | jelly-home: Yes I have considered that. |
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| 18:05.59 | Aaron_- | I have been fighting to get raid to work on a computer for about 12 hours so far. I have a PCI-X 100 MHZ raid card that identifies itself as a "Poweredge Expandable Raid Controller Bios." If no arays are configured, all is well, however as soon as I configure an aray, NOTHING (Hirens, Gparted Live, Debain Install, the IDE Hard drive with Linux from another box) boots?! I know the card is good. WTF is going on? |
| 18:06.35 | jelly-home | ask Dell! |
| 18:06.40 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 18:06.43 | Diopter | Aaron_-: yayyyy PERC |
| 18:06.51 | Diopter | My "favorite" RAID BIOS :D |
| 18:07.18 | Olypoly | I am really confused when i try and create a filesystem on /dev/sdb1 it says "it is apparently in use by the system", I have tried everything i can think of to get around this including booting from a system rescue cd, starting again with a new partition table. Anybody have any suggestions how i can get aroun this? |
| 18:07.35 | Diopter | Olypoly: What is /dev/sdb? |
| 18:07.48 | Olypoly | a seagate sata drive |
| 18:07.55 | jelly-home | Olypoly: is it used by device-mapper, or mdadm, or as swap space, or something else? |
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| 18:08.31 | nsadmin | Olypoly, why does it think the partition is in use? |
| 18:09.21 | Aaron_- | Diopter: Midn helping me with it before I invent "Flying Raid" |
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| 18:09.59 | Olypoly | have run swapoff -a to turn off all swap space, mdadm is not showing as using it, dmsetup table shows no devices found |
| 18:10.22 | nsadmin | and, mount? |
| 18:10.51 | Olypoly | its not mounted |
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| 18:11.14 | Diopter | Aaron_-: Can't right now. Probably don't know the answer anyway. All I would suggest is exploring the RAID config system thoroughly after setting up an array. |
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| 18:11.42 | Olypoly | nsadmin: any idea what my problem could be? |
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| 18:12.16 | nsadmin | Olypoly, maybe you could do this experiment... power the machine off, then disconnect the drive... reboot, watch carefully, what wants to do something with sdb1? |
| 18:12.19 | jelly-home | Olypoly: that's all the usual suspects I know of |
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| 18:20.12 | biiiiiiili | 有人会中文吗? |
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| 18:25.38 | Aaron_- | Diopter: I did beleive me I did. Only ben workign at this for, 13 hours now. |
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| 18:29.32 | ladowacharpuny | how can i restart xfce xorg? |
| 18:30.00 | nsadmin | to restart: first stop, then start |
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| 18:30.41 | ladowacharpuny | nsadmin: but what? |
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| 18:31.05 | jelly-home | !cn |
| 18:31.05 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 18:31.20 | nsadmin | the thing you want to restart... can you log out of xfce? |
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| 18:32.18 | ladowacharpuny | ok i restarted slim |
| 18:32.23 | ladowacharpuny | but i have 2 monitors |
| 18:32.26 | ladowacharpuny | and dont work :( |
| 18:32.35 | ladowacharpuny | now i see only on new monitor |
| 18:32.39 | ladowacharpuny | not this native (in notebook) |
| 18:32.40 | ladowacharpuny | any idea? |
| 18:34.04 | ladowacharpuny | and in xfce settings is only 1 monitor |
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| 18:34.04 | nsadmin | what was on each monitor before? |
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| 18:34.43 | ladowacharpuny | now i have black on native and normal on second |
| 18:34.49 | ladowacharpuny | without this i have normal on native |
| 18:34.58 | ladowacharpuny | (without this new monitor) |
| 18:35.03 | nsadmin | what is "normal" |
| 18:35.14 | ladowacharpuny | view |
| 18:35.15 | ladowacharpuny | just |
| 18:35.37 | fasta | nsadmin: is English one of your native languages? |
| 18:35.50 | fasta | nsadmin: I understood what he said in 2 seconds or so. |
| 18:36.02 | nsadmin | this still reduces to "doesn't work" "any ideas" |
| 18:36.18 | ladowacharpuny | but my english is bad so if he know english very good then he don't know what i say :[ |
| 18:36.20 | nsadmin | fasta, oh good :) help him out... |
| 18:36.24 | nsadmin | going to store |
| 18:36.31 | ladowacharpuny | oh noes... |
| 18:37.25 | fasta | ladowacharpuny: I don't use xfce. Sorry. |
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| 18:38.06 | ladowacharpuny | ._. |
| 18:38.09 | ladowacharpuny | nsadmin |
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| 18:40.36 | robin_debspace | Hello all |
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| 18:42.40 | robin_debspace | I'm trying to get Debian Testing to run on my Mac so I can dual boot to either Mac OS 10.7 or Debian and have been looking around the internet on how to do that successfully, but haven't had much luck yet. Is there anyone here who can help me with that? |
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| 18:44.02 | nsadmin | fasta, and thanks for volunteering, that was very cool of you |
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| 18:46.19 | tharkun | ladowacharpuny: man xset also google dual monitor setup. Check that you have the correct video module for your kernel. And you can always go to your local #debian irc channel for support on your language |
| 18:46.22 | woonix | robin_debspace: I've never tried, but this looks potentially useful: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 18:46.58 | tharkun | ladowacharpuny: also get the most facts you can and try to avoid opinions on what your problem is. It usually helps a lot :D |
| 18:47.31 | robin_debspace | woonix: Thx! I'm gonna go over that right now and see if that could work and get back in a few :-) |
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| 18:50.22 | woonix | robin_debspace: See also http://wiki.debian.org/IntelMac |
| 18:50.45 | ladowacharpuny | tharkun: when i load system i have nvidia logo so i think module is ok |
| 18:51.18 | ladowacharpuny | I have Nvidia 8600 M GT and my config is http://paste.debian.net/168506/ everything work fine, but now I have 2 monitors and dunno how add second one, because with this config my Debian Wheezy Xfce4 use only this second one monitor |
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| 18:55.08 | tharkun | ladowacharpuny: IIRC there is a Configuration submenu on the main menu. Look for screen or monitor there. If the module is working properly both should be displayed there. Try also to use your notebooks monitor switching key. (Usually Fn + key with logo) |
| 18:55.21 | a-l-e_ | since the last update, i can't compile scribus (a qt program) anymore... i get the error "QtWebKit not found"... |
| 18:55.26 | a-l-e_ | ... any idea what it could be? |
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| 18:55.42 | robin_debspace | woonix: Thanks! I've looked at it. However, the problem is that this requires you to install rEFIt, which is incompatible with Mac OS 10.7 Lion. rEFIt basically acts as an EFI bootloader, which can then be used to fire up either OS X or Linux. I'm also not sure if you'd still need that step when using Squeeze or Testing, since I'm not sure if GRUB supports EFI and could be used as the bootloader... |
| 18:56.04 | a-l-e_ | how can i check if anything important has changed? |
| 18:56.21 | valdyn | a-l-e_: changed where? |
| 18:56.35 | robin_debspace | woonix: Unfortunately, the second page you pointed me to says that it doesn't exist yet... |
| 18:56.38 | a-l-e_ | i don't... probably in how qt is packaged for debian testing? |
| 18:57.20 | valdyn | a-l-e_: you can use apt-listchanges |
| 18:57.31 | a-l-e_ | this happens on two computers, so i have to think that there is something broken in debian testing. (the error is that cmake does not find qtwebkit) |
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| 18:58.08 | valdyn | a-l-e_: then you can obviously look for that specific thing |
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| 18:59.10 | r0x | hi |
| 18:59.13 | a-l-e_ | ... i'm installing it... |
| 18:59.49 | r0x | is there a method to keep saved my brightness settings in debian? |
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| 19:00.12 | valdyn | r0x: yes |
| 19:00.26 | r0x | how? |
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| 19:00.40 | alo21_ | hi all |
| 19:00.41 | valdyn | r0x: theres various methods |
| 19:00.50 | tharkun | ladowacharpuny: IIRC if the NVIDIA logo is displayed, you are using their propietary driver. you might be better off asking them directly |
| 19:01.01 | jelly-home | ladowacharpuny: with the nvidia driver, you need to use nvidia's tools like nvidia-settings to enable and configure the second monitor |
| 19:01.12 | r0x | i like to know one of them XD |
| 19:01.14 | bfig | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
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| 19:01.19 | valdyn | r0x: xgamma |
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| 19:01.57 | a-l-e_ | valdyn: the problem is that apt-listchanges seems to show the changes by package... but i have no idea which package is leading the problem... |
| 19:02.12 | a-l-e_ | there are several qtwebkit packages, and i'm not even sure that it's in there. |
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| 19:02.55 | valdyn | a-l-e_: show us your actual error |
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| 19:03.21 | valdyn | r0x: or you should probably use xrandr |
| 19:03.55 | a-l-e_ | in the makefile it says "IF(QT_QTWEBKIT_FOUND)" and when run through cmake the answer is no... |
| 19:04.33 | valdyn | a-l-e_: apt-get install libqtwebkit-dev |
| 19:04.43 | a-l-e_ | all the meaningful qtwebkit (-dev included) packages i could found are installed, and it used to compile and cmake correctly until a few hours ago. |
| 19:05.29 | a-l-e_ | libqtwebkit-dev is already the newest version. |
| 19:05.29 | a-l-e_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 19:06.04 | a-l-e_ | it looks almost like the QT_QTWEBKIT_FOUND macro is wrong... but i have no idea how it is defined... |
| 19:06.24 | a-l-e_ | one thing is fore sure: it's not defined in the makefile itself |
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| 19:06.47 | a-l-e_ | (in "CMakeLists.txt") |
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| 19:08.13 | a-l-e_ | (trying to grep for it in the whole project... but i don't expect to find anything...) |
| 19:08.42 | a-l-e_ | (didn't find anything except the if in the cmakelists) |
| 19:09.04 | r0x | ok, so if i set the brightness settings with that tools when i reboot i still have the same settings of the previous work session? |
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| 19:09.33 | valdyn | r0x: no, you add the command to your X session |
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| 19:10.24 | r0x | ok,i understood |
| 19:10.28 | r0x | thx |
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| 19:11.35 | rohit_PyLuv | Hi, How can I install pcntl module in PHP. Tried googling a lot, not able to proceed. I have debian 6 installed. Please help. |
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| 19:13.36 | a-l-e_ | boh, no idea what is happening... it's just that i was writing a patch for scribus and now i can't compile anymore :-( |
| 19:13.45 | a-l-e_ | on none of my computers. |
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| 19:14.09 | a-l-e_ | i guess i'll enjoy my sunday and hope that at sometime next week everything will be fixed by itself. |
| 19:14.30 | gumnos | I'm trying to find a good pico USB wlan adaptor (barely protrudes from the laptop's USB port) with native+free support. Most of the ones I keep finding are Realtek/ralink that require a non-free binary blob. Any suggestions from the trenches? |
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| 19:15.10 | gumnos | (running Debian Stable, FWIW) |
| 19:15.22 | a-l-e_ | well... i can try to just comment out the check and see what happens... basically, webkit is only need for the help... |
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| 19:28.59 | Olypoly | I have changed my root filesystem and need to update grub, when i run update-grub i get "/usb/sbin/grub-probe: error: so such disk." anybody any idea what could cause this? |
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| 19:29.45 | ompaul | Olypoly: what file system did you change root to? |
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| 19:31.40 | Olypoly | ompaul: have switched from /dev/sda1 to /dev/md0, have updated the fstab, i think this now drives the grub-install ? |
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| 19:32.18 | ompaul | how is that an update ... it should be an install? |
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| 19:32.55 | Olypoly | ompaul: have copied all my files over to the raid array and now need to get it to boot |
| 19:33.02 | ompaul | how is that an update ... it should be an install? |
| 19:33.19 | ompaul | i.e. you should treat it as an install not an update |
| 19:33.26 | ompaul | sda1 does not exist |
| 19:34.20 | ompaul | !tell Olypoly about fixmbr |
| 19:34.25 | ompaul | Olypoly: I think that is what you need |
| 19:34.26 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: have you updated /boot/grub/device.map ? |
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| 19:36.05 | Olypoly | thewanderer1: no I haven't am not too sure what I need to change with this new grub2 setup, the old menu.1st was easier. I also haven't change grub.cfg as thought scripts were to mantain this now. |
| 19:37.05 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: okay, if you're going to use /dev/md0 as / , you're supposed to: fix your /boot/grub/device.map , grub-install "(hd0)" #or whatever you end up calling your drive mapping |
| 19:37.23 | thewanderer1 | then update-grub, which will regenerate all config files needed for grub |
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| 19:39.00 | Olypoly | what do i put in device.map for /dev/md0? |
| 19:39.39 | mikul | how do i start a detached screen in example .xinitrc or .fluxbox/startup that i later can use whenever i want? I mean so it start automatically in the bakground. |
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| 19:41.44 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: (hd0) /dev/md0 |
| 19:41.52 | thewanderer1 | wasn't that hard, was it? :P |
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| 19:43.00 | Olypoly | thewanderer1: had already tried that but am still getting the error /usr/sbin/grub-prove: no such disk", any ideas? |
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| 19:43.30 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: it's probing something you don't want it to probe - you could try strace |
| 19:43.46 | nsadmin | I'd say that's a bug. it should say "no such disk /dev/whatever" |
| 19:43.52 | thewanderer1 | that too |
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| 19:44.18 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: besides, are you in a chroot? |
| 19:44.31 | Olypoly | thewanderer1: am in chroot from a system rescue cd |
| 19:44.46 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: verify that /dev, /proc and /sys are mounted |
| 19:45.01 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: also, /etc/mtab should be a symlink to /proc/mounts |
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| 19:47.53 | Olypoly | thewanderer1: all those are mounted and have just made mtab a symlink and still have the same problem. any further ideas? |
| 19:48.43 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: use strace to track down what grub-probe is doing |
| 19:50.17 | a-l-e_ | ok, it does not compile... it really needs webkit :-( |
| 19:50.54 | nsadmin | a-l-e_, which is not installed? |
| 19:51.05 | nsadmin | , v webkit |
| 19:51.06 | judd | No package named 'webkit' was found in i386. |
| 19:51.10 | a-l-e_ | it's installed |
| 19:51.12 | Olypoly | thewanderer1: if i edit grub.cfg manually, can i bypass this script setup to get it to boot? |
| 19:51.21 | nsadmin | at what prefix? |
| 19:51.44 | nsadmin | how did you install? |
| 19:51.54 | a-l-e_ | libqtwebkit |
| 19:52.04 | a-l-e_ | and several other qtwebkit packages are installed... |
| 19:52.18 | bfig | please help restoring opengl, i need to program something and the deadline is super close. i get this ettror: X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 19:52.18 | bfig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.19 | bfig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.23 | thewanderer1 | Olypoly: I am not really sure, you could try that - you have a rescue CD at hand, so chances you'll be stranded with no return are slim |
| 19:52.29 | nsadmin | . v libqtwebkit |
| 19:52.38 | nsadmin | , v libqtwebkit |
| 19:52.39 | judd | No package named 'libqtwebkit' was found in i386. |
| 19:52.44 | a-l-e_ | ... and i have compiled many times before the last update today (both the apt-get update and the compiles earlier today...). |
| 19:52.48 | nsadmin | not by that name |
| 19:52.51 | ompaul | Olypoly: back up any files you are editing |
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| 19:53.24 | a-l-e_ | libqtwebkit-dev is already the newest version. |
| 19:53.24 | a-l-e_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:53.30 | nsadmin | what os are you running? |
| 19:53.39 | a-l-e_ | testing |
| 19:53.58 | a-l-e_ | and it happens on both my computers... |
| 19:54.03 | nsadmin | , v libqtwebkit --dist=testing |
| 19:54.04 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 19:54.19 | nsadmin | , v libqtwebkit --release=testing |
| 19:54.20 | judd | No package named 'libqtwebkit' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 19:54.30 | nsadmin | not by that name |
| 19:54.54 | a-l-e_ | the -dev package is there... |
| 19:55.08 | nsadmin | under what (-exact-) name? |
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| 19:55.20 | a-l-e_ | as pasted above... |
| 19:55.28 | a-l-e_ | libqtwebkit-dev is already the newest version. |
| 19:55.28 | a-l-e_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:55.42 | a-l-e_ | there are several binary packages related to webkit... |
| 19:55.54 | nsadmin | , v libqtwebkit-dev |
| 19:55.55 | judd | Package: libqtwebkit-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 2.2.0-3; sid: 2.2.1-2 |
| 19:57.07 | a-l-e_ | like libqtwebkit4 or libwekitgtk... all installed |
| 19:57.21 | a-l-e_ | or libqt4-webkit |
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| 19:58.34 | a-l-e_ | i had a big update and it's hard to say what leads QT_QTWEBKIT_FOUND to say no |
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| 19:59.01 | a-l-e_ | but i really thing that something really weird happened today to webkit in testing. |
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| 20:01.13 | a-l-e_ | /var/log/aptitude say "libwebkit-dev 1.6.3-1 -> 1.8.1-2" ... i wonder how can i test if the new libraries are compatible with the rest of the system |
| 20:01.34 | vespakoen | Hey guys, I put gitolite on my debian machine, and i made a post-receive hook, in there i do "sudo -u server /path/to/updater.sh" in updater.sh I have "cd /home/server/myproject" and "git pull" it actually works fine, but the new files have got this permission "-rw-------" is this because of the sudo -u server? |
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| 20:03.10 | a-l-e_ | ok, when i run the debian version of scribus i can get into the help browser... so webkit is working. |
| 20:03.31 | vespakoen | files that i pulled from git "the normal way" have "-rw-r--r--" btw |
| 20:03.54 | nsadmin | if you don't find out here #git |
| 20:04.05 | vespakoen | already dropped the same question there ;) |
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| 20:06.15 | hhee | guys, 6.0.5 is ready =) |
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| 20:07.07 | nsadmin | ready for waht? |
| 20:07.23 | a-l-e_ | ... submitting a bug report... |
| 20:08.37 | valdyn | a-l-e_: you should compare files provided by old vs new version |
| 20:08.51 | a-l-e_ | and how can i do it? |
| 20:08.54 | TomyLobo | apparently i removed some kind of 3d driver with the update to wheezy |
| 20:09.03 | TomyLobo | problem is: i have no idea which chip i have :D |
| 20:09.06 | valdyn | a-l-e_: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 20:09.10 | valdyn | a-l-e_: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 20:09.16 | valdyn | a-l-e_: sorry, capital L |
| 20:09.21 | TomyLobo | since it's a laptop, i'd guess it's some intel |
| 20:09.21 | DasEi | now speaking from a vm, my host troubles me much with crashing browsers and also my messenger , for instance opera does : http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?6e5ef18792c836ab#r1LIDV7Iz5htyrYnT+ccvFTXyvEt4kJXr66tsMZr7Iw= , howto find that "bus-error" , any hints ? |
| 20:09.25 | val_ | I am getting a message "Processing was halted because there were to many errors" every time I try to upgrade the system with aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:09.38 | a-l-e_ | valdyn: the problem is that i don't know exaclty which package is leading to the problem. |
| 20:09.49 | TomyLobo | how would i find my graphics chip so i can look for a solution to the graphics problem? |
| 20:09.53 | valdyn | a-l-e_: its probably the -dev package |
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| 20:10.05 | valdyn | a-l-e_: since obviously webkit is ok, or so it seems |
| 20:10.27 | DasEi | val_: sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo get install --fix-missing ? |
| 20:10.29 | a-l-e_ | yep, but there are several dev packages... |
| 20:10.43 | valdyn | a-l-e_: several webkit -dev packages? |
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| 20:10.56 | a-l-e_ | and dpkg -L libwebkit-dev seems to return only doc files... |
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| 20:11.13 | DasEi | TomyLobo: install hwinfo, grep display |
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| 20:11.26 | bfig | how can i revert an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:11.56 | DasEi | bfig: not really, you could only remove single packages |
| 20:12.06 | craigevil | TomyLobo, lspci -vv |
| 20:12.08 | BtbN | And the backported PHP bug is still not fixed... |
| 20:12.12 | valdyn | a-l-e_: thats the a transitional package, not the real one |
| 20:12.13 | BtbN | noone even looked at my bugreport |
| 20:12.13 | bfig | DasEi, i want to revert all related to fglrx |
| 20:12.28 | TomyLobo | ah, intel 915 |
| 20:12.29 | a-l-e_ | valdyn: libqtwebkit-dev libwebkit-dev, libwebkitgtk-dev (which should not be relevant) |
| 20:12.29 | bfig | i upgraded and something broke my opengl |
| 20:12.35 | nsadmin | bfig, restore from the full (all your storage) backup you made before you upgraded |
| 20:12.40 | DasEi | bfig: get an unstable system then because of dependencies |
| 20:12.53 | valdyn | a-l-e_: your problem isnt about a gtk program, so the first one |
| 20:13.03 | a-l-e_ | ok dpkg -L libqtwebkit-dev does return a list of files... |
| 20:13.08 | bfig | nsadmin, is that done automatically? |
| 20:13.17 | nsadmin | it's done if you do it |
| 20:13.38 | nsadmin | remember when you read the release notes how it said to back up? |
| 20:13.40 | hhee | guys, can you give me explained tutorial to build .deb packages ? i' noob =) build from sources, and rebuild exists packages with custom options (sorry for my english) |
| 20:13.54 | bfig | how do i do it? |
| 20:14.04 | nsadmin | before you upgrade. |
| 20:14.27 | a-l-e_ | http://pastebin.ch/7059 |
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| 20:14.36 | bfig | nsadmin, before i upgrade what do i do? |
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| 20:15.01 | dtoliaferro | Can I use bind to create internal domains on a network not connected to the internet? |
| 20:15.03 | nsadmin | back up all storage your machine can write to |
| 20:15.14 | valdyn | dtoliaferro: yes |
| 20:15.18 | nsadmin | dtoliaferro, sure can |
| 20:15.25 | dtoliaferro | Thanks guys! |
| 20:15.28 | a-l-e_ | above the result of dpkg -L libqtwebkit-dev |
| 20:15.29 | bfig | that is insane |
| 20:15.34 | vespakoen | problem is fixed with umask =) thanks guys |
| 20:15.49 | valdyn | dtoliaferro: if you have to ask that you should probably use dnsmasq |
| 20:15.54 | bfig | DasEi, what would be the proper way to downgrade? |
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| 20:16.17 | dtoliaferro | valdyn, thanks I knew there was an alternative to bind, but I forgot what it was called. |
| 20:17.15 | dtoliaferro | valdyn, so I'd put the ip of the DNS server in my router settings right? |
| 20:18.15 | valdyn | dtoliaferro: you could do that |
| 20:18.16 | val_ | DasEi, I am getting "dpkg:to many errors, stopping" and sudo get command not found |
| 20:18.49 | valdyn | bfig: downgrading is not supported |
| 20:18.50 | dtoliaferro | valdyn, how else would it work? |
| 20:19.02 | dtoliaferro | I guess I should read up on dnsmasq |
| 20:19.22 | valdyn | dtoliaferro: via dhcp |
| 20:19.28 | dtoliaferro | Oh ok |
| 20:19.40 | bfig | valdyn, there must be a way to solve my problem. the underlying problem is opengl stopped working |
| 20:19.41 | valdyn | dtoliaferro: or via whatever - its a little hard to recommend something specific without having specific information on your goal |
| 20:19.59 | val_ | DasEi, I am getting "dpkg:too many errors, stopping" and "sudo get command not found" |
| 20:20.05 | bfig | and i'm on a super tight deadline and in no way qualified to solve this problem by myself :( |
| 20:20.10 | dtoliaferro | I want to create a virtual network, closed off from the internet. Each virtual server will have a domain. |
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| 20:20.22 | valdyn | bfig: why are you not on stable ? |
| 20:20.36 | valdyn | bfig: deadline and testing/unstable do not match at all |
| 20:21.05 | thewanderer1 | if kernel-package (make-kpkg) produces kernels in testing which have testing-specific dependencies, is this a bug? |
| 20:21.06 | bfig | well, regardless of that |
| 20:21.15 | bfig | i wasn't really expecting this kind of error |
| 20:21.20 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. can't install a testing-made kernel on stable) |
| 20:21.45 | DasEi | val_: apt-get oc, sorry, can you pastebinit exact message from apt-get update ? |
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| 20:22.39 | nsadmin | bfig, what dist are you running? |
| 20:22.50 | bfig | nsadmin, debian 3.1 |
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| 20:23.06 | rking1 | Haha, this poor box. Is hosed. |
| 20:23.18 | nsadmin | , codenames |
| 20:23.25 | nsadmin | ! codenames |
| 20:23.25 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames . See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
| 20:23.34 | rking1 | I told my wife to do an aptitude install when I was away, and something went monstrously wrong. Now things such as [ and id and find are gone. |
| 20:23.35 | nsadmin | so, sarge. yes? |
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| 20:23.42 | bfig | wait |
| 20:23.46 | bfig | that aws the kernel, sorry |
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| 20:23.48 | rking1 | What package should I start with installing to get those back? |
| 20:23.55 | bfig | i'm on wheezy |
| 20:24.16 | nsadmin | ok wheezy is a moving target which is moreorless allowed to break |
| 20:24.23 | rking1 | Argh, no wget either. |
| 20:24.27 | rking1 | I have no idea what happened. |
| 20:24.48 | rking1 | Oh, all of /usr is unmounted. |
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| 20:24.59 | thewanderer1 | rking1: uh, [ is a Bash facility, if you don't have that then she probably installed OpenBSD with csh over your Debian :D |
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| 20:25.18 | a-l-e_ | bug submitted... let's see what happens. |
| 20:25.26 | rking1 | thewanderer1: LOL |
| 20:25.28 | nsadmin | actually [ is sh |
| 20:25.40 | thewanderer1 | it is? |
| 20:25.45 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 20:25.50 | rking1 | thewanderer1: Actually - I skimmed the error message. It says [: : integer expected. |
| 20:25.51 | thewanderer1 | oh cool :P |
| 20:26.03 | bfig | nsadmin, regardless of being allowed to break i can't work without opengl :( |
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| 20:26.47 | nsadmin | so you need to find out what happened and adjust to it |
| 20:26.50 | val_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | val_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | val_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | val_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | val_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | val_ | dpkg: error processing gnome-contacts (--configure): |
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| 20:26.51 | dpkg | val_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:27.50 | rking1 | Haha, this is some kind of Indiana Jones pyraminds riddle. I haven't adminned this machine in a year... I have no idea what its setup is supposed to be. /etc/fstab and /etc/fstab.old show that it was using /dev/mapper/ stuff, but there is nothing about /usr |
| 20:28.17 | bfig | nsadmin, probably one of the fglrx related packages exploded |
| 20:28.46 | bfig | the problem comes from GLX, but i am not sure about what are the dependencies between the fglrx packages |
| 20:28.47 | trysten | can someone help me understand a call trace dump? i' |
| 20:28.50 | nsadmin | did you do the fglrx thing earlier? |
| 20:29.11 | bfig | what do you mean? |
| 20:29.14 | trysten | i'm using the 'magic sys-rq key''s T command, and it's dumping alot of information to the console. |
| 20:29.16 | bfig | which thing earlier? |
| 20:29.23 | nsadmin | build the packages, install them |
| 20:29.37 | bfig | how do i do that? |
| 20:29.44 | trysten | i want to know what a line like this: [<ffffffff81312a89>] ? schedule_hrtimeout_range_clock+0x47/0x103 means |
| 20:29.52 | a-l-e_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672684 |
| 20:29.57 | rking1 | Crap. cfdisk: command not found. fdisk: command not found. |
| 20:30.05 | rking1 | Why in the world is neither of those in /bin? |
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| 20:30.09 | trysten | moreover, what IS a call trace? |
| 20:30.15 | a-l-e_ | ok, hopefully fixes soon, since i'm blocked in my work :-( |
| 20:30.42 | rking1 | bbiab |
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| 20:32.05 | val_ | DasEi, how do I do pastebinit? |
| 20:32.47 | nsadmin | , names *fglrx* |
| 20:32.49 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 20:33.01 | nsadmin | , names fglrx |
| 20:33.02 | judd | Search for fglrx in squeeze/i386: |
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| 20:33.19 | nsadmin | , names fglrx* |
| 20:33.20 | judd | Search for fglrx* in squeeze/i386: fglrx-atieventsd 1:10-9-3 (non-free); fglrx-control 1:10-9-3 (non-free); fglrx-driver 1:10-9-3 (non-free); fglrx-glx 1:10-9-3 (non-free); fglrx-modules-dkms 1:10-9-3 (non-free); fglrx-source 1:10-9-3 (non-free) |
| 20:33.30 | frikinz_ | trysten: you might read this http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/oops_decoding.html |
| 20:34.12 | thewanderer1 | guys, I am currently using dpkg-divert to replace /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local with a custom script. is there a cleaner way to do that, as a part of a package? |
| 20:34.13 | DasEi | val_: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:34.37 | DasEi | val_: http://www.pastebin.com |
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| 20:36.22 | csioktel | my system is installed few years ago, can i check the system is installed of which year/month/day? how? |
| 20:36.43 | DasEi | my chromium,opera,pidging on the squeeze host will either not start at all or crash in a minute, saying bus error, trying to strace and the like isn't possible as no startup at all, it just flashes and vanishes then |
| 20:37.02 | trysten | thanks frikinz_ ! |
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| 20:38.56 | DasEi | csioktel: look in /var/log/apt/ , there are the historys if systems' date was set correctly |
| 20:39.57 | craigevil | DasEi, start them from a terminal, and pastebin any error messages |
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| 20:40.26 | frikinz_ | csioktel: maybe ls -1r /var/log/dpkg.log* | head -1 | xargs zcat | head -1 |
| 20:40.30 | csioktel | DasEi: my /var/log is mount to tmpfs |
| 20:40.59 | csioktel | frikinz: my /var/log is ramdisk |
| 20:41.08 | frikinz_ | csioktel: why? |
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| 20:41.44 | DasEi | csioktel: touche |
| 20:41.46 | csioktel | maybe wrong, but i think i don't need read the log |
| 20:42.02 | csioktel | DasEi: touche is ?? |
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| 20:43.42 | DasEi | csioktel: bad luck in that case, ellse can try dpkg -l and then see installed versions , then look it up at debians changelogs |
| 20:43.48 | DasEi | else* |
| 20:44.12 | DasEi | val_: PASTEBIN TOO HARD ? JUST ASK |
| 20:44.13 | csioktel | DasEi: so i can not check is this case? |
| 20:44.22 | DasEi | sorry, caps |
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| 20:44.45 | DasEi | csioktel: least not there |
| 20:45.07 | bfig | nsadmin, what should i do to build and install the packages? what would change ? |
| 20:45.14 | csioktel | DasEi: any other place can check? |
| 20:45.18 | val_ | DasEi, i just pasted the msg |
| 20:45.19 | DasEi | csioktel: if you moved var/log there is where most of it is stored |
| 20:45.20 | craigevil | csioktel, check the date of files in /etc/ , issue is one that shouldnt change, i know mine has the date i first installed |
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| 20:46.02 | craigevil | csioktel, cd /etc/ , ls -l issue |
| 20:46.22 | nsadmin | !fglrx |
| 20:46.22 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:46.45 | DasEi | val_: where is the url ? (you copy text to pastebin, then press post, then give altered url from browser here) |
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| 20:47.37 | bfig | nsadmin, gonna try the #ati channel |
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| 20:48.00 | csioktel | craigevil: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35 2 8 2011 /etc/issue |
| 20:48.02 | everythingWorks | How cna i search available packages within the console? |
| 20:48.15 | DasEi | everythingWorks: apt-cache search |
| 20:48.17 | csioktel | craigevil: i think the date is not correct |
| 20:48.20 | nsadmin | that's definitely a source of info for the driver itself, and mayb not for the debian packaging of it |
| 20:48.36 | everythingWorks | DasEi: thanks, is there another way too? :D |
| 20:48.40 | everythingWorks | (just for interest) |
| 20:48.51 | rking1 | Aha, that's odd. My root login doesn't have /sbin in the $PATH. |
| 20:48.59 | DasEi | everythingWorks: apt-cache show for a specific package, dpkg -L |
| 20:49.02 | bfig | !fglrx dkms |
| 20:49.02 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 20:50.01 | everythingWorks | okay |
| 20:50.13 | DasEi | everythingWorks: dpkg fur sure, too , lookup man dpkg |
| 20:50.15 | frikinz_ | xserver-xorg 1.11 and latest fglrx from debian + patch runs fine here |
| 20:50.22 | DasEi | for* |
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| 20:51.23 | bfig | frikinz_, well, it doesn't work here. i downloaded fglrx because the open source driver didn't work, is that the same reason why you have it? my video card is 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series] |
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| 20:52.57 | DasEi | chromuim still crashing at startup on squeeze : http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?593305f25a247377#1AeLLv7Kko+d00ABaSBrRHKwwKV3AG4yu707PQacDfk= |
| 20:53.55 | thewanderer1 | DasEi: something weird is happening memory-wise - your memory could be fragmented, or damaged (tried memtest?) |
| 20:54.25 | val_ | DasEi, I pasted the message at pastebin.com , there is submit button instead of post and where do I give the url? |
| 20:54.34 | DasEi | thewanderer1: no, and from within a vm all is fine, also dualbooted windooze works |
| 20:54.48 | frikinz_ | bfig: open source driver on my machine still has no good power management, the card heats too much so I reverted to fglrx. At the moment fglrx latest 12.4 needs a small patch to be built. And the driver is only compatible with xorg 1.11 |
| 20:55.11 | DasEi | val_: after submitting, copy the url from browser into channel |
| 20:55.15 | frikinz_ | bfig: what debian release do you have? |
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| 20:55.34 | thewanderer1 | DasEi: hmm, are you mixing 32 and 64-bit userland/kernel? |
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| 20:56.00 | DasEi | thewanderer1: I thing it's between glib and dbus, both areas I don't know enough from |
| 20:56.13 | DasEi | thewanderer1: no, clean 64 bit install |
| 20:56.14 | frikinz_ | bfig: ask in #ati if your card is supported by fglrx. If its too old, you need radeon. |
| 20:57.01 | thewanderer1 | DasEi: and that is stable, right? cause bus errors are invalid memory accesses, and they hardly ever happen under normal conditions... |
| 20:57.05 | bfig | i have xorg 1.11.4 |
| 20:57.07 | thewanderer1 | stable == Debian stable |
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| 20:57.16 | bfig | my card is super new, it's actually an A8 |
| 20:57.18 | frikinz_ | bfig: aptitude isntall fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 20:57.29 | dvs | frikinz_: too old? it's pretty new |
| 20:57.47 | dvs | frikinz_: or are you talking about fglrx? |
| 20:57.49 | DasEi | thewanderer1: well, if memory was corrupted, same should happen in my vm's too, nor ? |
| 20:58.09 | thewanderer1 | DasEi: maybe. |
| 20:58.12 | tremon | bfig: for APU, you need linux-firmware-nonfree from squeeze-backports if you're using the open driver |
| 20:58.15 | thewanderer1 | it all depends which region you hit |
| 20:58.34 | val_ | DasEi, http://pastebin.com/UzTUBuXA |
| 20:58.48 | DasEi | :) |
| 20:58.53 | frikinz_ | dvs: "if" the card is too old. I'm not really following graphic cards hardware news.. |
| 20:58.53 | peterrooney | !pastebin.com |
| 20:58.53 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:59.34 | thewanderer1 | DasEi: also, there might be a memory hole which you are somehow hitting with your programs, which Linux should take care of - perhaps it didn't? check dmesg... |
| 21:00.32 | frikinz_ | hum segmentation fault on userdel. interesting |
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| 21:01.13 | DasEi | val_:delicious .. well: 1) with apt-get remove <package>name --dry-run one can see what will get lost if you spared the --dry-run option |
| 21:01.23 | TomyLobo | hmm nope, video driver is installed, something else must be the problem. i'll describe the symptoms: |
| 21:01.52 | TomyLobo | i upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. minecraft worked before that, now it doesn't |
| 21:02.13 | DasEi | val_:so you can try to remove all spotted packages; is your sources.list in order ? let's look : |
| 21:02.16 | DasEi | val_:so you can try to remove all spotted packages; is your sources.list in order ? let's look : |
| 21:02.17 | TomyLobo | a qtdemo app works (helloworld) |
| 21:02.18 | DasEi | val_:so you can try to remove all spotted packages; is your sources.list in order ? let's look |
| 21:02.22 | DasEi | darn |
| 21:02.56 | DasEi | val_:sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:03.51 | DasEi | needs coffee, brb |
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| 21:06.08 | frikinz_ | is there any updates of the keyring of debian-multimedia |
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| 21:07.40 | frikinz_ | new domain name ok |
| 21:08.02 | Aaron_- | I just installed Debian, and now I am at a grub rescue prompt, and none of the tutorials are working. Comands not found.. etc. |
| 21:08.30 | TomyLobo | if you only just installed, why are you at the rescue prompt? |
| 21:08.42 | TomyLobo | there's something missing in that story |
| 21:08.58 | Aaron_- | Why don't you ask the devs? |
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| 21:09.34 | craigevil | frikinz_, deb-multimedia-keyring: Installed: 2012.05.10-dmo2 |
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| 21:09.39 | val_ | DasEi, I ned to run sudo apt-get instal pastebinit in terminal and pastebin you the error msg from that and also sources.list info? |
| 21:09.42 | TomyLobo | you're doing this whole "asking questions in order to get help" thing wrong, Aaron_- |
| 21:10.01 | DasEi | Aaron_-: busbox you are I assume, not rescue mode ? |
| 21:10.10 | Aaron_- | I installed, configuring a software raid. At the time fo the install, an IDE drive was attached that ALSO had a copy of debian linux on it, but I didn't touch that drive. Debian installed, and to be sure it wasn't going to boot from the IDE drive, I removed it, physically. That better? |
| 21:10.20 | frikinz_ | craigevil: ok, good. I have the key but not pointing to the good signed repository, still old one. let me update this |
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| 21:10.37 | TomyLobo | a bit |
| 21:11.03 | frikinz_ | craigevil: did you update your sources.list too? |
| 21:11.10 | frikinz_ | as said on their webpage? |
| 21:11.41 | DasEi | val_could be that you have to manually paste it, as your apt is so borked for now, but yes |
| 21:12.21 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Huh? |
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| 21:12.57 | DasEi | Aaron_-: comandline or busybox, as you said commands where not accepted |
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| 21:14.15 | Aaron_- | Welcome to grub! @ Error file not found @ entering rescue mode @ Grub rescue> |
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| 21:14.35 | DasEi | val_: I wonder that situation could occur, did you mix up your sources.list or compiled wrong versions locally ? |
| 21:15.03 | Aaron_- | Thats where I am.. root (hd0,0) yeilds unknown command 'root' |
| 21:15.11 | DasEi | Aaron_-: I see, well have to boot a live system, chroot into your hd and re-install grub |
| 21:15.41 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Wonderful.. I booted into debian rescue envirement. grub.. no such command. |
| 21:16.00 | val_ | DasEi, http://pastebin.com/7bQm4NDU |
| 21:16.10 | TomyLobo | Aaron_- he said boot a live system |
| 21:16.19 | TomyLobo | for instance a live cd |
| 21:16.31 | TomyLobo | or your other debian |
| 21:16.49 | DasEi | Aaron_-: grub rescue is not commandline, it's a very limited shell |
| 21:16.54 | Aaron_- | Can't boot from that drive. Even reattached I get the same error, and this system won't boot from IDE. |
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| 21:17.07 | val_ | DasEi, http://pastebin.com/LR5VTqbD |
| 21:17.51 | TomyLobo | then the live cd will be the only option |
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| 21:18.23 | Aaron_- | Can you suggest a small live distro to use? And a place to get it? Sorry, I have been workign on this BS for about 18+ hours now, and won't to eliminate any mistakes, (like downloading the wrong live CD for example) |
| 21:18.57 | val_ | DasEi, another terminal was opened and used during the upgrading process. Could that mess it up? |
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| 21:19.30 | DasEi | val_: ah, wheezy, so that came from an distro-update ? anyway, as decribed above, all that listed packages mentioned by dpk I'd try to remove, until apt tries the whole system, if you very new to apt and dpkg and it's not a highly configured system, a fresh install can save you time |
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| 21:20.04 | DasEi | val_: trml itsef not, but running any packamanagers for sure |
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| 21:20.33 | TomyLobo | Aaron_- oww, that explains the way you're talking. but please don't blame it on us, most of us are just innocent users :) |
| 21:20.36 | nsadmin | val_, just so you know... pastebin.com, that's definitely a step in the right direction (instead of flooding 7 lines before being kicked by the bot and after the channel topic became available to you)... another step in the right direction is to realize that among other things pastebin.com forces you to view ads while forcing readers to go thru capcha so no one else can post ads inside the paste |
| 21:20.57 | nsadmin | in short... aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 21:21.45 | DasEi | nsadmin: his apt is heaveily broken, so no installs this time aka pastebinit |
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| 21:22.20 | Aaron_- | I am not blaming you, and apoligize if I come across that way. I am just getting so sick and tried of linux.. But thats not whats important. getting this to boot is important. Is there a "mini live" linux I can use to do this? |
| 21:23.00 | nsadmin | Aaron_-, why are you considering using linux then? |
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| 21:23.39 | TomyLobo | lol |
| 21:23.55 | DasEi | Aaron_-: I'm not sure if that works, can try the netinstaller and then use commandline, I'd go with standard live on an usb stick , or use the other debian you mentioned, if arch /32/64) are same |
| 21:24.46 | Aaron_- | nsadmin: At this point, its because everythign I have set up I want to run is alrady running on Linux. I am just moving it to anotehr machine under raid. |
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| 21:25.37 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Sorry, you totally lost me.. I am quite new to Linux. |
| 21:26.06 | Aaron_- | I also should mention, there is no need for a bootloader, if that helps. It just has linux, nothign else, and never will have. |
| 21:26.14 | nsadmin | Aaron_-, I assume you're using a hardware raid card for this... I make this assumption because if you're using software raid, I don't see how you would be able to move away from linux on that raid |
| 21:26.17 | TomyLobo | Aaron_- do you have an install cd/dvd? that might be able to boot into a live system |
| 21:26.19 | DasEi | Aaron_-: you said you had onother ide with debian on that same box ? |
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| 21:26.33 | TomyLobo | DasEi which he can't boot into |
| 21:26.36 | nsadmin | I assume you do want to move away since you're sick and tired of linux |
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| 21:26.41 | ponyofdeath | hi, trying ot downgrade xorg from unstable to testing to enable me to install fglrx-driver. any help on how to do this? |
| 21:26.56 | DasEi | TomyLobo: ah |
| 21:27.17 | Aaron_- | nafwf_: No, software raid. My first 14 hours were spent on hardware raid and not getting that to work.. And yes, Debian is on an IDE drive on that box, but the box won't boot from an IDE drive. |
| 21:27.26 | val_ | DasEi, do you mean I should remove all packages that come after "Errors were encountered while processing:" and then install them? |
| 21:27.36 | nkuttler | !tell ponyofdeath about downgrade |
| 21:27.39 | DasEi | Aaron_-: so which (working) os you are now talking from ? |
| 21:27.57 | DasEi | nkuttler: fitting nick ;) |
| 21:28.09 | nkuttler | ponyofdeath: if you're lucky you can just insert the package. if not... good luck replacing all the deps |
| 21:28.10 | Aaron_- | Windows, on a different machine, totally unrelated to those I am talking about. |
| 21:28.15 | nkuttler | DasEi: what are you talking about |
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| 21:28.34 | frikinz_ | ponyofdeath: use aptitude and downgrade xserver-xorg-core to testing |
| 21:28.43 | DasEi | nkuttler: pony.. about downgrade, I had to smile, nvm |
| 21:28.48 | Aaron_- | This machine has one purpose, to boot linux, and run a server software. Nothing else. |
| 21:29.17 | DasEi | Aaron_-: so which (working) os you are now talking from ? |
| 21:29.20 | TomyLobo | Aaron_- have you tried your debian installation cd/dvd? |
| 21:29.34 | TomyLobo | it might be able to boot into a mini live system |
| 21:30.13 | TomyLobo | DasEi likely a different machine |
| 21:30.13 | TomyLobo | or a phone :) |
| 21:30.23 | nsadmin | ponyofdeath, debian doesn't support downgrades or especially full downgrade paths. having said that, (1) you could restore from a backup... or (2) maybe the packages you want to downgrade are sufficiently trivial they're able to replace later versions |
| 21:30.32 | Aaron_- | DasEi: A windows OS on a differnt machine, totally unrelated to what I want to do on the linux machine. |
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| 21:30.54 | Aaron_- | TomyLobo: Yes, I can do that, but someone told me I can't do anythign from there. |
| 21:30.54 | DasEi | Aaron_-: have an usb stick least 1 gb ? |
| 21:31.07 | frikinz_ | installing fglrx from debian is also a good idea to not get xorg abi conflicts.. |
| 21:31.34 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Yes. But would rather use a dvd if I can. I have a rewritable and my usb sticks are full. |
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| 21:32.40 | DasEi | Aaron_-: copy from and back, you can use unetbootin and the standard iso , just dd and sync it, fast and acurrate |
| 21:32.48 | TomyLobo | Aaron_- http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 21:33.05 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Umm, english please? |
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| 21:33.17 | ponyofdeath | nkuttler, frikinz_ , nsadmin ok ty |
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| 21:33.36 | frikinz_ | ponyofdeath: do you run 64 bits system? |
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| 21:33.41 | DasEi | Aaron_-: d/l the iso |
| 21:33.46 | ponyofdeath | frikinz_: yes |
| 21:33.58 | Aaron_- | DasEi: I am downloading one as we speak. 3 min left. |
| 21:34.40 | DasEi | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ << install in win |
| 21:34.43 | frikinz_ | ponyofdeath: then I think there are others problems as I see in #ati. I'm glad I stayed on 32 bits.. |
| 21:35.03 | TomyLobo | DasEi he said his usb sticks are full |
| 21:35.16 | DasEi | Aaron_-: free and usb by temporally moving it's content to hd |
| 21:35.19 | DasEi | oo |
| 21:35.29 | DasEi | an* |
| 21:35.52 | Aaron_- | DasEi: I may ave a live USB already.. But I dunno if this system will boot from it.. |
| 21:35.56 | ponyofdeath | frikinz_: what do you mean how can i downgrade -core with aptitude i dont see that under package menu |
| 21:36.26 | Aaron_- | DasEi: This system will not boot from USB. |
| 21:36.46 | DasEi | Aaron_-: well, either way, boot live on that box so then we can see on; cd images tend to fail on dvd-discs |
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| 21:37.43 | Aaron_- | DasEi: I will be okay, this is a 1.1 GB live disk. |
| 21:38.24 | TomyLobo | might be crappy compression :P |
| 21:38.37 | nsadmin | ponyofdeath, how many sentences was that where do they start and end the sentences don't make sense when I can't tell where they start and end |
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| 21:39.03 | Aaron_- | TomyLobo: Just saying this is a DVD image, not a cd image. |
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| 21:39.47 | TomyLobo | yeah i was joking :) |
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| 21:40.09 | TomyLobo | a CD image compressed so badly that it grew instead of shrinking |
| 21:40.16 | frikinz_ | ponyofdeath: make sure you have testing in your sources.list and then go to xserver-xorg-core, expand and go down and install(+) 1.11.4-1. this will also downgrade like 30 packages. good luck ;) |
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| 21:41.13 | Aaron_- | TomyLobo: Oh.. Sorry, really not in the right fraim of mind. My fault though. not yours. |
| 21:41.23 | ponyofdeath | frikinz_: http://pastebin.com/xUukc4Re |
| 21:41.26 | ponyofdeath | frikinz_: does that look right |
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| 21:46.39 | frikinz_ | ponyofdeath: you removed all xserver-xorg dependencies? you don't need things like synaptics? |
| 21:46.43 | Aaron_- | DasEi:Live disk is booting. What would be the first step? |
| 21:47.38 | DasEi | Aaron_-: getting correct disk identifiers, you said it was asoftraid setup ? |
| 21:48.00 | DasEi | Aaron_-: open a terminal, sudo fdsik -l |
| 21:48.06 | DasEi | fdisk * |
| 21:48.08 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Yes. 3 partitions, a boot (1st) swap )2nd) and root (3rd) |
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| 21:49.33 | Aaron_- | DasEi: It shows me the 2 drives individually, and the 3 partitions on each of those drives. |
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| 21:51.19 | DasEi | Aaron_-: sudo /mount /dev/<BootHere> /mnt/boot (maybe need to creat that mountpoint(s) first , ah , well, so first have to scann the arrays back in, well I'm getting tired, mdadm is your friend then, after : |
| 21:51.49 | frikinz_ | ponyofdeath: sudo apt-get install -t testing xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-core |
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| 21:52.13 | Aaron_- | DasEi: I am sorry, you lost me again. |
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| 21:52.33 | QuitSmoking | Quit smoking on www.fdastore.com 30% OFF coupone ---> 30POFF <--- |
| 21:52.48 | xr | awful channel to decide to spam |
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| 21:56.28 | Aaron_- | And one problem.. mdadm -> Command not found. |
| 21:56.44 | xr | is there a chan for just aptitude |
| 21:56.49 | nsadmin | as what user? |
| 21:57.01 | nsadmin | xr, nope |
| 21:57.06 | DasEi | Aaron_-: you have to setup the raid by use of mdadm first, then go on by : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
| 21:57.51 | DasEi | Aaron_-: might have to be installed, I'm too tired now for a step by step walkthrough |
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| 22:00.48 | Aaron_- | DasEi: Sorry, not thiking stright.. I managed to get it installed (Didn't knwo you could install on a live system) and the boot parttion is mounted to /mnt/boot |
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| 22:01.23 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.41 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.46 | Kyle__ | cardamon: Why? It's where all binaries that didn't come from the vendor, and weren't copmiled by the local sysadmin, should live. |
| 22:01.52 | xr | thanks, I'm having issues with dependencies for any attempted aptitude install. all details; http://pastebin.com/J0TuqR2q |
| 22:02.29 | cardamon | Kyle__: These days most people ARE their local sysadmin. |
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| 22:02.39 | craigevil | xr, you are missing rrepos all you have is the security repo |
| 22:02.43 | craigevil | !sources.list |
| 22:02.43 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 22:02.46 | cardamon | is on the brute squad |
| 22:02.54 | frikinz_ | cardamon: there's the fhs http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES |
| 22:03.02 | Kyle__ | cardamon: Well granted :) But I still appreciate when vendor-software behaves properly and puts it in /opt. I wonder if mathamtica will... humm. |
| 22:03.21 | nsadmin | xr, thanks for being careful and efficient in your query |
| 22:03.33 | _Alex- | Hello, I'm trying to configure Apache with Kerberos Samba4, when I access the web, I enter the username and password but the result is error 500. The error.log file returns "gss_acquire_cred () failed: Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may Provide more information (, Configuration file does not Specify default realm)." |
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| 22:03.52 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze (6.0.5) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 22:04.01 | themill | (topicdiff: 6.0.5 released) |
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| 22:04.31 | xr | thank you, I appreciate it |
| 22:04.47 | xr | no problem, I read the guidelines and sincerely appreciate the help |
| 22:05.00 | nsadmin | is that just the mirror pulse? you should consider adding "wait a day or two to avoid the rush" |
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| 22:06.35 | cardamon | Oh hey, I'm in the wrong channel. |
| 22:06.46 | cardamon | That explains why conversation made no sense |
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| 22:07.30 | Kyle__ | cardamon: Nitpicking over /opt is for real unix/linux cramudgeons. debian is the prefect place. ;) |
| 22:07.44 | Aaron_- | Anyone here wanna help me reinstall grub, or for that matter ANYTHING that will boot linux. |
| 22:08.33 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: you were playing with mdadm, right? Did you put /boot on an md device? |
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| 22:08.55 | nsadmin | Kyle__, welcome to the debian prefecture... |
| 22:09.10 | cardamon | Population Derp |
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| 22:09.47 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Yes, thats what the tutorial said to do. However it is Raid 1. |
| 22:10.17 | cardamon | Anyone familiar with dhclient and setting it up to update a dyn dns? |
| 22:10.29 | cardamon | I did it once before...but I forgot how. |
| 22:10.30 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: Grub is supposed to support /boot on raid1. Supposed to. I've never fought it on the issue, I put /boot on a plain /dev/sdX device. |
| 22:10.54 | valdyn | cardamon: the thing is called ddclient, not dhclient |
| 22:11.00 | Kyle__ | cardamon: It's a different process than dhclient. Usually a dumb little daemon that hits it. |
| 22:11.14 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: In any event, I have looked a bit on how to install it, and either I am too fucking frustrated to understand a tutorial right now (20 hours on this) or its not working. |
| 22:11.40 | Kyle__ | cardamon: Unless your talking about requesting your hostname be added to the local nameserver via DHCP |
| 22:12.21 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: make /boot a plain partition, not an MD device, and things should work better. I'm no grub expert sadly. I still pine for lilo. |
| 22:12.30 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Please keep in mind that unless grub is the ONLY way to load linux, we can trash it. There are no other, and never will be any other OSes on that machine |
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| 22:12.59 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: I don't care if we use hampster on wheel, I just want it to boot! |
| 22:13.33 | ompaul | Aaron_-: how much data have you got on that box? |
| 22:13.40 | Kyle__ | Does it come up cleanly if you boot off of the CD? |
| 22:14.12 | Aaron_- | ompaul: ZERO. However I got grob rescue right out of a clean install. So reinstalling will put me back where I was about an hour ago. |
| 22:14.18 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Cleanly? |
| 22:14.54 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: no errors no big warnings. You know, put in the CD, choose the boot from hard drive option. |
| 22:15.03 | Kyle__ | it's been awhile....deb has that option on the cd, right? |
| 22:15.24 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: I didn't choose to boot from hard drive. I chose to run live. What disk would tell em to boot from hard drive? |
| 22:15.32 | cardamon | No, I'm talking about using dhclient to update the DNS I use as to what my current IP is. |
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| 22:15.55 | cardamon | I've got a no-ip account I used for ssh tunneling to work remotely. |
| 22:16.18 | ompaul | Aaron_-: sorry, I saw the 20 hours thought you had 20 hours on a box that would say to me start again |
| 22:16.22 | cardamon | But I wiped my server and lost the configuration insofar as I remember it. |
| 22:16.41 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: When you boot from the CD it usually gives you options other than live and install. Boot from first hard disk should boot using the bootloader and kernel on the CD, but root on the physical disc. If it works, then it's just a smiple matter of the grub config. If not, there may be something else that's screwed up causing all the problems. |
| 22:16.43 | e1z0 | hello |
| 22:17.04 | ompaul | Aaron_-: you're fresh install - was that to a raid box |
| 22:17.16 | Aaron_- | ompaul: I would start again, but this problem was from a clean install. Been fighting with this fucking box for 20 hours, proably 21 now. |
| 22:17.17 | ompaul | Aaron_-: or are you trying to create the raid after |
| 22:17.30 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: I have a hirens cd, it has a boot from hard disk option. i will try that. |
| 22:17.34 | Kyle__ | cardamon: It's right in man dhclient I think. Holdon.. |
| 22:17.46 | Aaron_- | ompaul: It was installed with raid. |
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| 22:18.14 | cardamon | Now, I do have a backup of my entire /etc, but I checked and my old /etc/dhcp/dhclient and my new one are largely identical...so I'm not sure where I set it. |
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| 22:18.31 | nsadmin | e1z0, hi, welcome to debian support |
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| 22:18.42 | ompaul | Arasari: soft? |
| 22:19.06 | Kyle__ | cardamon: Ahhh I got it. I'm thinking dhcpcd. With dhclient it's in /etc/ somewhere dhclient.conf |
| 22:19.26 | cardamon | Kyle__: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ... and read that thing I just said. |
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| 22:20.30 | Kyle__ | cardamon: it's send host-name "foobie"; |
| 22:20.37 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Selected boot from cd. Welcome to grub! @ Error, file not found @ entering rescue mode @ Grub Rscue> |
| 22:21.12 | Kyle__ | cardamon: pastebin? And if the config is right, they key that named and dhcpd are sharing may have gotten screwed up |
| 22:22.08 | Aaron_- | Why can't this be as easy as windows? 2 dos commands, adn the system would boot. |
| 22:22.09 | cardamon | Kyle__: http://paste.debian.net/168530/ |
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| 22:23.15 | e1z0 | nsadmin, i appreait |
| 22:23.33 | Kyle__ | cardamon: I didn't know/think you could put gethostname(); in there... I thought it needed a string literal. |
| 22:23.38 | e1z0 | i'm looking for command |
| 22:23.50 | cardamon | Kyle__: That's in there by default now. |
| 22:24.02 | cardamon | I didn't make ANY changes to that file. |
| 22:24.07 | e1z0 | who really understand C |
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| 22:24.25 | nsadmin | well I do, for one |
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| 22:24.32 | cardamon | e1z0: Kernighan and Ritchie. |
| 22:24.32 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: Installing on a software-raid in windows (yes windows has it too) is actually a PITA as well. I would go back and install again (I know it sucks), with /boot as a plain partition, and not an md device. |
| 22:24.36 | cardamon | :P |
| 22:25.04 | Kyle__ | cardamon: Wow. What happens if you put your hostname in as a string? And tail -f your logs on the dhcp server? |
| 22:25.28 | nsadmin | what hostname is not a string? |
| 22:25.52 | Kyle__ | nsadmin: Apparently in the default dhclient.conf file. It's a function now. Neat. |
| 22:25.52 | themill | makes nsadmin look at the paste |
| 22:26.04 | e1z0 | i'm making а basic gnu/linux distro who will be the replacement of all dd-wrt and so on... |
| 22:26.06 | e1z0 | ;-) |
| 22:26.37 | cardamon | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/168530/ |
| 22:26.45 | nsadmin | that one? |
| 22:26.58 | cardamon | Mind you, this is what it looks like default on my near virginal Wheezy server. |
| 22:27.12 | nsadmin | (thanks for sparing me from pastebin.com) |
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| 22:28.29 | themill | !dbugs 151820 |
| 22:28.33 | dpkg | DONE:#151820:W[isc-dhcp-client] dhcp3-client: Does not send hostname to server by default (d-i patch); Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:33:07 UTC [246692 403143 509440 522889 561461] |
| 22:28.42 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Its looking like that is the best option. Thank you for your help. i am not doing this install tonight. But thnk you again. |
| 22:29.05 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: Sorry I coudln't help more. I know the pain you're going through. I think we all do here :) |
| 22:29.28 | Kyle__ | What's wrong with pastebin though? Not that I particularly _like_ it. |
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| 22:29.45 | themill | dpkg: tell Kyle__ about pastebin.com |
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| 22:30.24 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Well, if a single boot partition handles it, then that will work. I assume I just do the same thing, execpt with the boot partition just create it on one drive, and dont' set it to raid? |
| 22:30.37 | Kyle__ | nods |
| 22:30.50 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: that's what I do when I use mdadm raid for root. |
| 22:31.20 | Kyle__ | themill: Fair enough. Never had it be laggy, but the adds and captcha suck. |
| 22:31.44 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: Now, what happesn if the main drive fails? Should I as soon as the install is done, copy the boot parttion and boot sector on to the second drive? Cause fi I loose my /boot, the system won't boot. Defeats the purpose of raid. |
| 22:31.56 | ompaul | Aaron_-: that's usually the easy way |
| 22:32.13 | nsadmin | Kyle__, pastebin.net is probably ok... pastebin.com is on crack with what it does, and so it's kinda untrustworthy |
| 22:32.37 | Aaron_- | I am almost ready to giev up on raid completly.. I will try mre on Monday. Have a good night/day guys. |
| 22:33.02 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: You could copy it over. Even without /boot and the bootsector copied to the other drive, if one drive fails, you don't loose your data/configs etc. Even if you need to use a boot cd. |
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| 22:34.07 | Kyle__ | Aaron_-: If it helps, I generally boot off of one plain drive, and use two huge mirrored drives for the /home /opt /var etc on my stuff. And a nightly cron job that backs up the configs onto the mirrored pair. |
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| 22:34.16 | Kyle__ | Just me though. |
| 22:34.18 | e1z0 | guys do you use mips based machines |
| 22:34.20 | e1z0 | ? |
| 22:34.50 | Kyle__ | e1z0: Not in a long time. I have one still, SGI02, but haven't booted it in ages. |
| 22:34.56 | Aaron_- | Kyle__: But regular backups would also do that. Mind you I am doing this for the education as much as the redundency. But after this day, I just wanna go home, so I am getting offline. Have a good day, and thank you to all those that have helped me. |
| 22:35.11 | Kyle__ | NP |
| 22:35.29 | nsadmin | e1z0, could you describe what you want overall? what exactly is your goal? |
| 22:35.53 | Kyle__ | e1z0: Sadly I've got the only SGIO2 processor that isn't suppored by linux, so it's running irix. Now. Question? |
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| 22:36.38 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 22:36.38 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 22:36.44 | e1z0 | my goal is to build а stable "www" warable machine |
| 22:36.55 | e1z0 | i mean software |
| 22:37.03 | nsadmin | warable? wearable? |
| 22:37.40 | nsadmin | this www, you mean you want to browse? |
| 22:37.40 | e1z0 | my english isnt very good |
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| 22:38.35 | e1z0 | the mini server who all be able to do somth with httpd hosting too |
| 22:38.42 | e1z0 | i mean |
| 22:39.36 | thewanderer1 | martian source 192.168.0.2 from 192.168.0.19, on dev eth1 -- what does this mean? who is sending what? |
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| 22:40.10 | Kyle__ | e1z0: most of the really small systems you'd use for wearables A) are ARM nowdays, not MIPS, and B) come with a linux distro from the vendor. Lookup gumstix |
| 22:40.20 | Kyle__ | e1z0: Or rasberry-pi |
| 22:40.30 | Rusty1_64 | you have an extraterrestial on your network |
| 22:40.37 | nsadmin | e1z0, did you buy hardware yet? |
| 22:40.53 | nsadmin | eeeeeee teeeee |
| 22:41.18 | e1z0 | i'm already testing it on mips |
| 22:41.33 | Kyle__ | wants a rasberry-pi for his kitchen. |
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| 22:42.15 | nsadmin | , versions iceweasel --arch=mips |
| 22:42.16 | judd | Package: iceweasel on mips -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-14; sid: 10.0.4esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; experimental: 12.0-3 |
| 22:42.34 | nsadmin | it looks like mips is still supported |
| 22:42.46 | Kyle__ | e1z0: Oh cool. Which board? |
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| 22:43.23 | e1z0 | first of all, the "tabletes" |
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| 22:44.06 | nsadmin | e1z0, so you have a mips tablet? |
| 22:44.18 | e1z0 | yeah |
| 22:44.42 | nsadmin | ok, and it's running its os? |
| 22:44.59 | nsadmin | the software shipped with it |
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| 22:45.43 | e1z0 | cpu is JZ4770 |
| 22:46.01 | Sami345 | !sicco What is sicco? |
| 22:46.02 | dpkg | ...but sicco what is already something else... |
| 22:46.03 | e1z0 | maker china of course |
| 22:46.17 | nsadmin | !sicco what |
| 22:46.18 | dpkg | sicco what are you |
| 22:46.39 | nsadmin | I'm a sicco, she |
| 22:46.51 | e1z0 | the name of the manufacturer is Ingenic |
| 22:46.58 | nsadmin | s a sicco, he's a sicco, we're a sicco, woulnmd't you like to be a sicco too? |
| 22:47.16 | e1z0 | it's running google android |
| 22:47.26 | e1z0 | 4.0.3 |
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| 22:47.43 | nsadmin | oh, newer tablet os |
| 22:47.53 | Kyle__ | nods |
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| 22:49.05 | Kyle__ | e1z0: If you install terminal-ide on android it feels a lot more like running a real linux system. Just an FYI. |
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| 22:49.57 | e1z0 | i do know |
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| 22:51.00 | _ramok | hi |
| 22:51.11 | _ramok | how can i define the memory for memcached on my debian squeeze machine? |
| 22:53.02 | Kyle__ | my grub kung-foo is a bit weak, but grub-install /dev/sda2 (assuming /boot is on /dev/sda2) should install grub on /dev/sda2, right? |
| 22:53.03 | nsadmin | e1z0, before changing any of that, before putting linux or debian or anything on your tablet, you should do two things relating to backup: first you need to know (and test) restoring from an existing backup... and 2, you need to back up your internal storage completely |
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| 22:53.21 | nsadmin | before you trust that backup, you need to know how to restore |
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| 22:54.23 | e1z0 | nsadmin, you are nice |
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| 22:54.50 | e1z0 | you always give а better responses |
| 22:55.06 | e1z0 | but i will do it in my way |
| 22:55.08 | e1z0 | :-) |
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| 22:56.20 | GreenET | I bought a ScanDisk USB 4GB card; came with some Windows .exe files. To make it bootable, do I reformat it and include a boot sector? |
| 22:57.29 | nsadmin | e1z0, good. as long as you are able to use your device |
| 22:57.33 | e1z0 | GreenET, windoze use master boot record on their drives |
| 22:57.36 | GreenET | or will the Live-build I want to put in it make itself bootable? |
| 22:57.48 | e1z0 | so you can reuinit it |
| 22:57.49 | Kyle__ | GreenET: Dos bootable or linux bootable? Linux, just make a linux partition and install boot loader. Lookup making a bootable linux usb key. Lots of info online. |
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| 22:58.03 | _ramok | got it |
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| 22:58.21 | Kyle__ | GreenET: Some distros come with a utility to format and copy over their live-cd to a USB stick... |
| 22:58.25 | GreenET | Kyle__: Linux bootable, Deb. |
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| 22:59.21 | craigevil | !usb install |
| 22:59.21 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 23:01.17 | GreenET | Debian has a Live-build-your-own-CD to fit on < 4GB USB stick, no? |
| 23:01.46 | bardzusny | debian-live supports usb sticks, yes |
| 23:01.52 | bardzusny | awesome project by the way |
| 23:02.00 | GreenET | oh ... sorry, i spoke too late |
| 23:02.03 | nsadmin | GreenET, well someone did build those images... so I guess you could too |
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| 23:02.48 | craigevil | GreenET, Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 23:03.32 | GreenET | coolness |
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| 23:03.54 | GreenET | the more i read about Debian, the more i like it |
| 23:05.26 | bardzusny | GreenET: it's awesome for those that read :) |
| 23:05.41 | Kyle__ | OK. On an older 'buntu box that was netbooting, I partitioned the local drive, debootstrapped amd64 squeeze, edited fstab, apt-get installed linux-image-amd64 and grub, ran grub install, now it boots to nothing, not even a grub error. What on earth did I miss? |
| 23:05.58 | GreenET | Wiki says Debian surpassed in Jan. 2012 the CentOS as most popular Linux server, at > 30% |
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| 23:06.18 | GreenET | bardzusny: heh heh ;) |
| 23:06.50 | bardzusny | Kyle__: surely you ran grub-update and grub-install was to /dev/sda, not /dev/sda123? (example) |
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| 23:07.03 | Kyle__ | coughs |
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| 23:07.14 | craigevil | !tell GreenET about debian-handbook |
| 23:07.49 | Kyle__ | bardzusny: Surely..... errr. Hey a whole new error shows up now |
| 23:07.58 | GreenET | craigevil: cool; thank y' |
| 23:08.32 | Kyle__ | bardzusny: Odd. grub-update isn't there, and grub-install /dev/sda complains because I'm using a GPT and there's no label for bios boot? |
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| 23:09.20 | bardzusny | update-grub |
| 23:09.24 | bardzusny | is the command |
| 23:09.25 | bardzusny | sorry |
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| 23:09.35 | bardzusny | (I mix these up all the time) |
| 23:10.47 | nsadmin | especially since there's update-grub and grub-install |
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| 23:11.33 | Kyle__ | bardzusny: OK. So, any idea what grub needs in a GPT partition label/table to be happy? |
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| 23:12.31 | bardzusny | I don't have that much knowledge in all this partition stuff, but if you "install-grub /dev/sda" and boot from this disk, something should show up |
| 23:12.43 | bardzusny | if you have install-grub errors, can you paste it? |
| 23:12.44 | Kyle__ | k |
| 23:12.50 | nsadmin | for one, I think grub2 has a module lately that helps it understand gpt (most current bioses do not) |
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| 23:13.13 | Kyle__ | Ahh I found it. I need to make a 2 MB partition with a specific type. Ugly. But thank you! |
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| 23:13.59 | Kyle__ | http://paste.lisp.org/+2RV0 That was the error, but I think I"m sorted now. |
| 23:15.40 | Kyle__ | Sweet. Now I just have to update my script to reflect that i need the itty bitty partition, and these boxes can be converted! |
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| 23:20.51 | simonlnu | it's grub-install, fyi |
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| 23:24.17 | bardzusny | yes, grub-install...it looks so ironic this bit doesn't it? |
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| 23:39.50 | nsadmin | what does "excess flood" mean exactly? |
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| 23:45.27 | Tux | I'm upgrading to wheezy from a squeeze i386 system and want to go multiarch i386->amd64 primary/i386 secondary, is this possible? |
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| 23:46.05 | jelly-home | Tux: no, not yet |
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| 23:46.44 | Tux | so would it be best to 1. wait until it's possible or 2. install from d-i cds |
| 23:46.56 | Tux | for wheezy amd64? |
| 23:47.07 | jelly-home | install anew |
| 23:47.11 | Tux | k |
| 23:48.15 | Tux | And one more question |
| 23:49.23 | Tux | I don't have a USB stick with firmware for my hardware, could I copy them to the wheezy d-i tmpfs from my squeeze-soon wheezy install? |
| 23:50.10 | Tux | or do i absolutely need one |
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| 23:50.38 | nsadmin | you could get the firmware tarball and untar it onto / of stick |
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| 23:51.36 | nsadmin | what hardware needs firmware? |
| 23:52.05 | nsadmin | if it's wireless, does it also have a wired eth you can connect to your net? |
| 23:53.07 | nsadmin | then you could install and reboot, still connected wired, and get your wireless going after that |
| 23:53.23 | nsadmin | or, what else needs firmware? |
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| 23:54.03 | nsadmin | oh, wait, no response... good luck... |
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| 23:56.17 | Tux | nsadmin, no |
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| 23:56.30 | Tux | I don't have a stick, period. |
| 23:56.48 | Tux | sorry for not elaborating |
| 23:58.07 | Tux | anyway, I'll run d-i with a seperate partition for wheezy mulitarch and once wheezy is out I will remove the i386-only partition |
| 23:59.03 | nsadmin | can you pxe boot? bios supports that? |
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