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| 00:01.45 | Tux | nsadmin, i don't really want to run a PXE server just to install debian |
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| 00:03.23 | nsadmin | ok, so that leaves the other methods as detailed in the install guide. one choice you have is to install stable (as minimal as possib;e) and upgrade that to wheezy |
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| 00:07.19 | adrakoa | buenas |
| 00:08.18 | nsadmin | adrakoa, hi. welcome to debian support english. |
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| 00:12.53 | Nasrudin | Hi there, when trying to install the php5-pgsql I get E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 1d 15h 35min 42s) |
| 00:13.01 | Nasrudin | Can anyone advice me on how to fix that? |
| 00:13.29 | nsadmin | try apt-get update |
| 00:14.02 | Nasrudin | Tried that, gives me the same message at the end |
| 00:14.26 | nsadmin | exact text of the command? |
| 00:14.28 | Nasrudin | apt-get upgrade didn't help either |
| 00:14.52 | nsadmin | didn't say upgrade |
| 00:14.55 | Nasrudin | apt-get install php5-pgsql |
| 00:15.02 | nsadmin | try apt-get update |
| 00:15.05 | Nasrudin | nsadmin: Yes, but tried that earlier |
| 00:15.07 | Nasrudin | Both of those. |
| 00:15.51 | thewanderer1 | Nasrudin: switch mirrors |
| 00:16.00 | nsadmin | , versions php5-pgsql |
| 00:16.00 | Nasrudin | Thanks, thewanderer1! :) |
| 00:16.01 | judd | Package: php5-pgsql on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze9; wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.2-1 |
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| 00:19.33 | Nasrudin | That did the trick, thewanderer1 :) |
| 00:20.06 | thewanderer1 | consider notifying whoever manages ftp.belnet.de that their mirror is broken if this situation persists |
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| 00:22.32 | Nasrudin | thewanderer1: I think that's Belgian authorities |
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| 00:27.03 | xorxos | PLEASE HELP. I screw my wifi |
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| 00:31.53 | Diopter | xorxos: Sounds hot |
| 00:32.28 | godutch | say no to fake 802.11n routers at 2.4ghz only |
| 00:32.30 | xorxos | yes... I just unninstall Evolution and run Deborphan and the wifi never run again |
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| 00:35.46 | nsadmin | you screwed your wifey?! |
| 00:36.00 | jelly-home | xorxos: do you have the logs of the package removal? |
| 00:36.31 | nsadmin | she said she wants the logs of the package container removal |
| 00:38.12 | nsadmin | xorxos, do you have wired eth on the machine and wired eth net and a cable? |
| 00:38.24 | adrakoa | xorxos dpkg -get-selectiond | grep -i rem |
| 00:38.38 | xorxos | OK, let me check that las one |
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| 00:42.02 | cardamon | I don't know how I just made this character: ⎈ |
| 00:42.15 | cardamon | Or this one. ⇧ |
| 00:42.19 | godutch | lol |
| 00:42.43 | godutch | my pc can display these symbols |
| 00:43.02 | godutch | has a set of gold fonts |
| 00:43.22 | adrakoa | cardamon man ascii |
| 00:43.32 | godutch | doesn't need ubuntu's lame fonts |
| 00:43.34 | adrakoa | bye |
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| 00:44.14 | cardamon | Does anyone have a dynamic DNS redirect setup on their system? I have a no-ip DNS entry, but I forget how to set it up to point at my server or how to get the dhcp client (I think dhclient is what |
| 00:44.28 | cardamon | 's running) to update the ip when it changes |
| 00:44.59 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: errr, ddclient? |
| 00:45.37 | cardamon | thewanderer1: Don't have it. |
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| 00:46.13 | Diopter | dyndns, dyndns-client |
| 00:46.34 | cardamon | I just wiped my server...and while I have backups of old configs, my old /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and my new one are practically the same. |
| 00:47.32 | simonlnu | there's a whole bunch of different ip updaters for dyndns stuffs |
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| 00:47.36 | cardamon | Diopter: I use no-ip. |
| 00:48.01 | cardamon | Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I had, and one point, dhclient set up to do it...I just don't remember how. |
| 00:48.19 | simonlnu | dpkg-reconfigure ddclient |
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| 00:48.47 | cardamon | simonlnu: what will that do? |
| 00:49.24 | cardamon | I don't like to touch dpkg without know it what it will do or how to undo it, particularly where networking is involved. |
| 00:49.26 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: DHCP and dynamic DNS have nothing to do with each other! |
| 00:49.30 | bardzusny | cardamon: I recommend inadyn |
| 00:49.33 | bardzusny | inadyn supports no-ip I think |
| 00:50.11 | simonlnu | cardamon: man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 00:52.44 | cardamon | simonlnu: Thanks. |
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| 00:58.04 | llliii | hi |
| 00:58.24 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 00:58.28 | Tux | I still want to bootstrap amd64 on my existing Debian install, however |
| 00:58.46 | Tux | Could I run an amd64 kernel to do that? |
| 00:58.55 | llliii | what does optoin during installation with LVM encryption do ? |
| 00:59.01 | Tux | I'd prefer not to kill the environment with CDs. |
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| 00:59.20 | llliii | does it encrypt the entire partition other than boot or does it encryption even boot partition / |
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| 01:00.03 | llliii | is there a way to supply the password automatically during boot time instead of me having to enter it (i know part of thepurpose is lost) by modifying grub ? |
| 01:00.22 | thewanderer1 | llliii: use a key file on a pendrive |
| 01:00.32 | llliii | i won't have pendrive |
| 01:00.42 | llliii | where i use it |
| 01:00.59 | nsadmin | llliii, what would be the point of encryption |
| 01:01.00 | llliii | it has to be within the boot partition or grub or on the linux system itself (I KNOW THAT PURPOSE IS LOST) |
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| 01:01.19 | llliii | nsadmin: its just a deterrent for someone copying the drive, for casual purposes |
| 01:01.19 | nsadmin | don't want to enter the password? don't encrypt |
| 01:01.36 | llliii | its going to be hosted, so i won't have boot time access |
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| 01:01.48 | nsadmin | non-deterrent |
| 01:02.02 | thewanderer1 | llliii: but if they *copy* the whole drive, they will get a self-decrypting system... |
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| 01:02.09 | llliii | thewanderer1: you are right |
| 01:02.41 | llliii | its just that instead of an unencrypted drive, i want to put an encrypted drive that's all - it doesn't serve purpose of a real proper encryption, its slightlhy better than unencrypted drive |
| 01:02.41 | nsadmin | and, what's this "they" business, anyway? who would be able to do it? |
| 01:02.50 | llliii | a cloud host |
| 01:03.22 | thewanderer1 | llliii: it's probably possible to put the key file on /boot... |
| 01:03.37 | thewanderer1 | or on a disk partition that you create specifically for it |
| 01:04.11 | thewanderer1 | sure, you could do some hacking with expect and cryptsetup, but it's not worth it when keyfile setup is mostly automatic at boot |
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| 01:04.27 | llliii | how ? |
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| 01:04.44 | nsadmin | the point of hacking is to discover how |
| 01:05.05 | llliii | i am not interested in hacking |
| 01:05.07 | thewanderer1 | llliii: search around the Web about using a keyfile to boot a LUKS-encrypted drive, I don't have a howto at hand |
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| 01:05.40 | llliii | thewanderer1: does the installation of squeeze (when I select encrypted LVM option) make a LUKS-encrypted drive ? |
| 01:05.59 | thewanderer1 | llliii: yes |
| 01:06.24 | llliii | it says encrypted LVM, i assume it also means to include encrypted partitions |
| 01:06.38 | llliii | i am guessing the boot partition is not encrypted ? |
| 01:06.42 | nsadmin | llliii, then, you would have to find an existing method |
| 01:06.56 | llliii | nsadmin: that's what i am here fore |
| 01:07.31 | thewanderer1 | llliii: yeah, /boot stays plain - GRUB loads initrd from there, and initrd decrypts the rest |
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| 01:08.20 | llliii | thewanderer1: got it, i'll search but basically to be able to boot, there should be a way to pass the password as a input correct ? |
| 01:09.03 | thewanderer1 | llliii: if you use a key file instead of a password, it loads automatically if the medium with the key is present at boot time |
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| 01:09.51 | thewanderer1 | llliii: it is possible to customize the initrd to contain a small SSH server that lets you log in and input the password, but it's not supported here (also, no more secure than your solution) |
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| 01:10.19 | nsadmin | llliii, creating a custom method for you may or may not be in the cards... |
| 01:10.44 | thewanderer1 | during install, you have to use a password - you can add a key later on |
| 01:11.04 | nsadmin | you'd be very lucky and should be very grateful if you get one created on the spot for you that works |
| 01:11.42 | llliii | thewanderer1: i am reading up, but looks like i have to modify the initrd ? (https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/how-to-unlock-luks-encrypted-root-during-boot-when-key-file-is-on-usb-909413/) |
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| 01:13.00 | thewanderer1 | llliii: this is pretty decent: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ |
| 01:13.05 | llliii | thewanderer1: i have an unrelated question using vmware : i tried to install squeeze on vmware enabling the GUI option, but after installation and when i tried to reboot, it goes into a loop of resizing the vmware window between two sizes |
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| 01:13.21 | thewanderer1 | I don't use VMware, no idea |
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| 01:13.45 | llliii | ok.. |
| 01:14.06 | llliii | looks like making this work is not easy |
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| 01:15.00 | llliii | is there a way to boot in such a way that it just enables ssh and then i ssh and mount an encrypted partition manually and hten start remaining part of the linux |
| 01:15.34 | llliii | so the first part does the bare minimum for me to ssh, everything else must use the stuff on the encrypted drive that i mount and then start |
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| 01:19.33 | llliii | thewanderer1: ? |
| 01:20.08 | nsadmin | llliii, I suppose you could do something like that if your remote has an ssh console from which you could boot the machine |
| 01:20.47 | thewanderer1 | llliii: there is, but it is pretty complex. usually involves installing dropbear in your initrd and editing the init scripts, then rebuilding the initramfs... |
| 01:21.23 | nsadmin | but you only have to do (most of) that once |
| 01:21.33 | thewanderer1 | llliii: in fact, booting will be easiest in one of 2 scenarios: 0) you use a keyfile, which is automagic 1) you have access to a remote serial console |
| 01:22.23 | nsadmin | then, the more uptime you can get from your machine the better (linux remotes have seen upwards of 2 - 5 years uptime given admin folks who know what they're doing) |
| 01:22.42 | llliii | i don't have those options |
| 01:22.57 | thewanderer1 | llliii: what prevents you from installing a keyfile on /boot? |
| 01:23.09 | llliii | is there a way to split the booting of linux into two parts, one where only what's needed for ssh is booted, then remaining is booted ? |
| 01:23.30 | llliii | thewanderer1: i don't know how to make the keyfile as input to the booting process, yet |
| 01:23.38 | llliii | thewanderer1: can you tell how ? |
| 01:24.10 | nsadmin | have / be unencrypted comes to mind to start with |
| 01:24.33 | nsadmin | then put sshd in /sbin |
| 01:24.59 | llliii | let's say i install linux already without encryption |
| 01:25.16 | llliii | then i will create an encrypted drive and move everything into it other than what's needed for ssh to work |
| 01:25.30 | llliii | then i will ssh, mount the encrypted drive and then start remaining parts |
| 01:25.54 | llliii | this is the easiest, can u tell how to split or what all the move for just ssh to work ? |
| 01:26.03 | nsadmin | okok, I see where this is going... I ran out of time to consider all this |
| 01:26.15 | nsadmin | have a nice day folks |
| 01:26.20 | llliii | you too |
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| 01:26.48 | nsadmin | is gonna play som music |
| 01:26.49 | llliii | thewanderer1: can you tell how to do above ? |
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| 01:27.09 | thewanderer1 | llliii: this guy was apparently trying the same as you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=70437 |
| 01:27.26 | thewanderer1 | llliii: just replace the pendrive's UUID with the UUID of the /boot partition, and you should be fine |
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| 01:28.04 | thewanderer1 | for now, I'm off - have fun :P |
| 01:28.22 | llliii | thewanderer1: wait ! :) |
| 01:28.35 | llliii | thewanderer1: that doesn't talk about ssh etc.. |
| 01:28.46 | llliii | thewanderer1: tell me how do to the ssh soltuion, or when you are around here normally |
| 01:28.55 | thewanderer1 | oh, it doesn't - it uses a keyfile instead, which is supported in Debian, unlike ssh |
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| 01:29.26 | llliii | i'll read it but best solution is ssh for me |
| 01:29.49 | thewanderer1 | llliii: http://gpl.coulmann.de/ssh_luks_unlock.html read the text at the top |
| 01:30.03 | llliii | let's say i install linux already without encryption then i will create an encrypted drive and move everything into it other than what's needed for ssh to work then i will ssh, mount the encrypted drive and then start remaining parts this is the easiest, can u tell how to split or what all the move for just ssh to work ? |
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| 01:30.18 | llliii | perfect reading it |
| 01:31.09 | llliii | thewanderer1: that's a bit too advanced and not as detailed instructions for me. |
| 01:31.19 | llliii | thewanderer1: can i email you if i need help ?! |
| 01:31.28 | thewanderer1 | llliii: keep it in the channel, there are many people around |
| 01:31.49 | thewanderer1 | llliii: the official docs in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.remote.gz are surely the best |
| 01:32.28 | llliii | i think my issue is not the encryption or decryption of keyfile or password anymore, its doing ssh first and remaining later |
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| 01:32.48 | llliii | its more a debian/linux issue than encryption anymore, but i guess the application is for it |
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| 01:33.49 | llliii | found tihs http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,6039 |
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| 01:43.07 | llliii | i have a different question related to issue of compilation of an updated version of software (freeswitch) in lenny. Older version of the same software worked fine. I don't want to move to squeeze : [18:40] <llliii> error is the fowlloign : [18:40] <llliii> configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.." make[5]: *** [/usr/local/src/freeswitch/libs/ldns/Makefile] Error 1 |
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| 02:11.53 | Guest16936 | hello to everyone, I have run out of space in my / partition, so I want to re-partition wit gparted, so I'm going to "compact" all the data of /home at the beggining of the /home aprtition, shorten it by the end, and then moving it to the last part of the disk, to make space available por /.. is it right? or may I risk to loose data? |
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| 03:14.03 | phex0 | is there a place i can put a custom command for when the system is shutdown or rebooted? |
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| 03:15.44 | phex0 | i need to killall -s 9 dbus-daemon and sleep a sec before shutdown or i get a kernel panic caused somehow by xbmc |
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| 03:35.04 | sandman | So what's this I saw about a new hardware wizard upon starting gnome? |
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| 03:37.01 | godutch | removed jocky |
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| 03:40.09 | funkadelic | I'm looking for a way to use something like the --files-from option but define the files in the command, like rsync -options --files-these="folder1 folder2" /old/path/ /new/path/. This would copy folder1 and folder2 from /old/path/ to /new/path/. Any ideas? |
| 03:40.21 | funkadelic | in rsync |
| 03:41.16 | funkadelic | or could I exclude all files and folders except the ones I specify? |
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| 03:42.04 | valdyn | funkadelic: whats wrong with running 2 sequential rsync commands? |
| 03:42.45 | funkadelic | I can't type in rsync /old/path/folderX /new/path/folderX because folderX could be a very long name |
| 03:43.07 | funkadelic | I could type it in if it could autocomplete |
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| 03:43.31 | valdyn | funkadelic: seriously? you cant use 2 commands because its to much typing? |
| 03:43.43 | funkadelic | which it probably would if I did rsync /old/path/folderX /new/path/ |
| 03:43.52 | funkadelic | Also some of the folders have non-latin characters |
| 03:43.56 | funkadelic | some japanese |
| 03:44.22 | funkadelic | and some are dozens of characters long, and I will have to rsync this frequently |
| 03:45.00 | valdyn | funkadelic: thats what shell scripts are for |
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| 03:45.32 | funkadelic | I can't write a shell script for this particular task because the folder names vary, and I have to hand pick which ones go where |
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| 03:45.49 | funkadelic | so I need the folder name to be auto-completable |
| 03:46.36 | funkadelic | Unless I could figure out how to graphically do it, like if I could mount sshfs but not have everything I"m copying go through the network bottleneck |
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| 03:50.33 | funkadelic | Could cp do what I'm trying to do? I just can't type in the full directory name all the time, so I must have to be able to to do *middle-section-of-long-file-name* in place of the filename |
| 03:51.14 | simonlnu | no. you shell would do file name expansion... |
| 03:51.17 | simonlnu | your* |
| 03:52.22 | funkadelic | but can I do something like rsync --move-these="*unique-middle-section*" /old/path/ /new/path/ |
| 03:52.52 | funkadelic | some of the file names have non latin characters with latin characters in the middle |
| 03:53.54 | funkadelic | So far, I've been doing ls >list, and doing rsync -options --files-from=list /old/path/ /new/path/ |
| 03:54.42 | funkadelic | but with that method, I have to go in and edit the list |
| 03:55.05 | funkadelic | when sometimes I just have one new file or folder in that old directory |
| 03:55.40 | simonlnu | globbing, yes |
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| 03:58.48 | simonlnu | the quotes is so that your shell *doesn't* expand them, but rsync will |
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| 04:03.05 | rndmz | hey ppl, i need help |
| 04:03.12 | rndmz | i just install debian, and i have no sound |
| 04:03.23 | somiaj | !alsa-checklist |
| 04:03.24 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 04:03.50 | rndmz | how can i add myself on audiio group? :v |
| 04:04.32 | somiaj | type 'groups' make sure you aren't in it |
| 04:04.41 | somiaj | if you aren't in it, 'adduser username audio' as root (or with sudo) |
| 04:04.47 | rndmz | im on audio |
| 04:06.06 | rndmz | O: |
| 04:06.09 | rndmz | Aplay works |
| 04:06.28 | rndmz | what the hell |
| 04:06.38 | somiaj | so what isn't playing sound? |
| 04:06.51 | rndmz | All |
| 04:07.01 | rndmz | >__> |
| 04:07.06 | rndmz | don't get it |
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| 04:07.49 | rndmz | alsamixer output: cannot load mixer controls: Argumento inválido |
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| 04:11.30 | rndmz | someone can help me? |
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| 04:11.38 | mi3 | hello!! |
| 04:11.49 | mi3 | I am getting this error while using wget to check my email WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-RZ57Ui/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
| 04:12.12 | rndmz | ls on /tmp/ |
| 04:12.33 | mi3 | ls /tmp |
| 04:12.33 | mi3 | keyring-xE4X02 mintUpdate pulse-C5iUzahEcaYa ssh-ybUyrMBf1708 |
| 04:12.33 | mi3 | matecorba-rico orbit-rico pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n |
| 04:12.54 | mi3 | rndmz, that is the output. :D |
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| 04:13.49 | mi3 | rndmz, any suggestions? |
| 04:14.04 | rndmz | google about gnome-keyring >_> |
| 04:14.23 | rndmz | i don't really know, but the /tmp/key bla bla don't exist |
| 04:14.39 | mi3 | I did that but dont know what that is really, I dont have an idea |
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| 04:16.11 | mi3 | rndmz, I run gnome-keyring-daemon and I get this output http://paste.debian.net/168547/ |
| 04:16.15 | jlgaddis | would someone who's running testing mind posting their sources.list? i *think* i've gotten it correct but i'd like to make sure i'm not missing out on anything (especially security updates)? |
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| 04:16.44 | somiaj | testing does not have security updates |
| 04:16.49 | daniel-s_ | debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo <--- what does DI-a1 mean. I noticed it was just recently added to the filename |
| 04:17.23 | mi3 | err anyone? |
| 04:17.35 | jlgaddis | somiaj: i didn't think so, but i read something a few minutes ago that implied they did. something to the effect of "testing receives security updates less than unstable and stable". |
| 04:18.30 | somiaj | jlgaddis: You don't run testing for security. Security updates get applied to stable and unstable. Testing gets them when they filter though. |
| 04:18.34 | valdyn | jlgaddis: testing gets security updates when such an update migrates from unstable to testing, not from a seperate repo |
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| 04:19.09 | ectospasm | I've seen DSAs that list wheezy updates separately from squeeze and sid... |
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| 04:19.41 | somiaj | I belive there is a security.debian.org for testing. Though I don't think it is frequently used. |
| 04:19.47 | ectospasm | ...sometimes they'll list the update in wheezy, when sid says "forthcoming..." |
| 04:19.59 | jlgaddis | yeah, there's a testing-updates on s.d.o |
| 04:20.00 | rndmz | list alsa user |
| 04:20.05 | rndmz | !list alsa user |
| 04:20.10 | rndmz | u.u |
| 04:20.19 | somiaj | rndmz: /msg dpkg list alsa users |
| 04:20.21 | jlgaddis | i thought everything filtered down from unstable, i guess that's what threw me off |
| 04:20.23 | rndmz | kk |
| 04:20.26 | mi3 | can someone suggest possible solutions to my gnome-keyring problem? |
| 04:20.48 | somiaj | mi3: remove gnome. (: |
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| 04:21.29 | jlgaddis | so it's not as easy as taking my existing sources.list (for squeeze) and just doing an :s/squeeze/testing/g then? |
| 04:21.35 | mi3 | what the?? |
| 04:22.02 | somiaj | jlgaddis: I belive a lot of the reason things like the security repo and wheezy-updates are there is for a smooth transition during the stabilization phase, more than they are actually used to provide updates |
| 04:22.14 | somiaj | jlgaddis: though I think there are rare situations where they do get used. |
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| 04:23.10 | jlgaddis | ok, that makes sense |
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| 04:30.34 | craigevil | http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
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| 04:31.51 | craigevil | jlgaddis, https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home look at the Testing section |
| 04:31.56 | cardamon | Is there any difference in installing something with apt-get install vs aptitude install? |
| 04:32.10 | craigevil | nope |
| 04:32.31 | craigevil | !whyaptitude |
| 04:32.44 | craigevil | !why aptitude |
| 04:32.44 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 04:33.20 | cardamon | I do like that I can search aptitude from the command line easier. |
| 04:33.29 | cardamon | easier than apt-cache search blurg |
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| 04:33.50 | ectospasm | watch out with the -y flag and aptitude... it can remove a great many packages you weren't expecting. |
| 04:34.00 | craigevil | about all i use aptitude for is : aptitude purge ~c |
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| 04:35.51 | funkadelic | Is there any way to make rsync delete only the .files (beginning with a dot) that don't exist in the destination directory? |
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| 04:37.10 | chepe263 | hello |
| 04:37.15 | chepe263 | anybody online? |
| 04:37.20 | chepe263 | need help instaling debian |
| 04:37.33 | ectospasm | chepe263: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 04:37.51 | chepe263 | sorry, new to irc |
| 04:38.01 | chepe263 | i used the netinstall of squeezy |
| 04:38.04 | chepe263 | and it failed |
| 04:38.18 | ectospasm | don't use ENTER for punctuation. |
| 04:38.19 | chepe263 | the installer downloaded all packages for a kde desktop |
| 04:38.25 | ectospasm | what was the error message? |
| 04:38.29 | craigevil | !fail |
| 04:38.41 | chepe263 | it was a kernel panic |
| 04:38.48 | jlgaddis | craigevil: thank you very much |
| 04:38.48 | chepe263 | but now i don't know how to resume the installer |
| 04:39.09 | chepe263 | All my options so far are restart from 0 |
| 04:40.00 | chepe263 | where in the disk can i find information about the installation status? |
| 04:40.05 | ectospasm | chepe263: did you check the sum of the netinstall image you loaded? |
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| 04:40.11 | craigevil | kernel shouldnt panic during install, check the md5sum of the iso |
| 04:40.28 | chepe263 | it did |
| 04:40.35 | chepe263 | i checked the 4th console |
| 04:40.43 | chepe263 | and it said "Kernel Panic" |
| 04:40.55 | chepe263 | before that, in graphical instalation |
| 04:41.06 | chepe263 | it requested a Debian NetInstall CD |
| 04:41.20 | chepe263 | and the cd was inside the drive so i didn't know what to do |
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| 04:41.44 | chepe263 | i click "back" and tried to resume the instalation on "Install Packages" |
| 04:41.58 | sauvin | chepe263, you've not made it clear that you've (1) checked the md5sum of the iso you burned, and that (2) you've made a good burn. |
| 04:42.28 | chepe263 | not sure how to made a md5sum |
| 04:42.29 | chepe263 | newbie here |
| 04:42.45 | chepe263 | i used Virtual Box to install debian on USB Pendrive |
| 04:42.52 | chepe263 | Sandisk cruzer 16Gb |
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| 04:44.56 | chepe263 | is there a way to resume the debian install from terminal using ubuntu WITHOUT erasing all data in disk? |
| 04:45.14 | ectospasm | chepe263: download the MD5SUMS text file to the same directory where you stored the ISO image. In a terminal, run "md5sum --check" |
| 04:46.41 | chepe263 | the md5sum: 38bf1278cc5c98c5fa09dd0973ebc9f5 debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:47.05 | ectospasm | chepe263: no, you need to compare that sum with what's in MD5SUMS |
| 04:47.34 | ectospasm | chepe263: you haven't been specific about which image you downloaded, and we can't check it for you. |
| 04:48.29 | sauvin | I'm saying this because I've never seen Debian (or any Debian derivative, for that matter) suffer a kernel panic, and I've chucked it and close relatives onto all kinds of different sorts of Walmart cheapies. |
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| 04:50.37 | chepe263 | no idea how |
| 04:50.41 | chepe263 | sorry |
| 04:50.51 | somiaj | cardamon: aptitude search has far more flags for advanced searches |
| 04:51.06 | chepe263 | I'm pretty sure the disk it's ok |
| 04:51.22 | sauvin | "pretty sure" is meaningless. |
| 04:51.43 | chepe263 | yesterday at night, i performed a test installing debian netinstall without downloading nothing |
| 04:51.48 | chepe263 | just the base system |
| 04:51.54 | chepe263 | and it worked just fine |
| 04:52.01 | ectospasm | kernel panics usually involve hardware problems. Not always, but many times this is true. |
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| 04:56.58 | chepe263 | (sigh) |
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| 05:00.13 | chepe263 | the md5sum is ok |
| 05:00.21 | chepe263 | what should i do next? |
| 05:00.23 | ectospasm | chepe263: have you properly checked your ISO against the MD5SUMS? If so, how did you copy it to the disc? |
| 05:00.38 | chepe263 | i used virtualbox |
| 05:00.52 | chepe263 | I'm using a netbook, there's no cd drive here! |
| 05:00.58 | ectospasm | so you're installing to a virtual machine? |
| 05:01.07 | chepe263 | basicly, yes |
| 05:01.18 | chepe263 | but instead a virtual hard disk |
| 05:01.32 | chepe263 | i'm using a usb thumb drive |
| 05:01.32 | ectospasm | ...? |
| 05:01.41 | chepe263 | i've done it before with ubuntu, no problems |
| 05:02.05 | ectospasm | did you check the MD5 (or SHA1, or SHA256) sum of the ISO before you started? |
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| 05:02.08 | craigevil | install from the usb to the netbook? |
| 05:02.27 | chepe263 | no |
| 05:02.28 | ectospasm | ...looks like he's trying to use the USB drive as the HDD for the VM |
| 05:02.40 | chepe263 | @ectospam yes |
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| 05:03.03 | chepe263 | my goal is boot and use debian from USB |
| 05:03.27 | craigevil | so install to usb or use the iso in a vm? |
| 05:03.32 | chepe263 | I'm not looking for a Live USB |
| 05:03.36 | ectospasm | sounds like you're doing it the hard way. |
| 05:03.56 | chepe263 | It's not the "hard way". I've done it with ubuntu 5 times |
| 05:03.59 | ectospasm | why not set up a bootable USB image using syslinux |
| 05:04.38 | ectospasm | chepe263: and you still haven't verified your sum is correct. |
| 05:04.46 | ectospasm | ...if it's not, all bets are off. |
| 05:05.16 | chepe263 | I'll be honest: NO IDEA how to check |
| 05:06.23 | ectospasm | chepe263: you really don't look, do you? http://wiki.debian.org/MD5 |
| 05:07.01 | windbuntu | is debian as easy to use and install as ubuntu? |
| 05:07.22 | ectospasm | windbuntu: define "easy to use" |
| 05:07.36 | ectospasm | I find Debian does not get in my way like Ubuntu did. |
| 05:07.43 | chepe263 | To be honest, if you are new to linux |
| 05:07.45 | somiaj | windbuntu: debian provides more freedom which gives you choice and requires you do some extra things like enable non-free repos |
| 05:07.51 | chepe263 | use Ubuntu. is easier to set up and use |
| 05:08.13 | krisfremen | I agree to disagree |
| 05:08.14 | craigevil | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallToUsbMemoryStick |
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| 05:08.41 | ectospasm | Ubuntu holds your hand too much. |
| 05:09.01 | windbuntu | i just install ubuntu and use it with no issues but i notice ubuntu is really just spawned from debian so i wonder if i am not better off using debian sometimes? |
| 05:09.04 | craigevil | ubuntu african word for Can't install Debian |
| 05:09.45 | ectospasm | windbuntu: different philosophies behind each, different target user markets. |
| 05:09.58 | windbuntu | i cant imagine what these important choices are? |
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| 05:10.36 | chepe263 | anyway.... is there a way to resume the installer of debian? |
| 05:10.36 | craigevil | 1) Debian's Social Contract , 2) DFSG , 3) debian works on more hardware including older hardware |
| 05:10.48 | laite | windbuntu: best way to find out is to try :) debian is not ubuntu, though, things are different and whether that is a good or a bad thing depends mainly on user |
| 05:10.51 | craigevil | !why debian |
| 05:10.52 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 05:11.08 | ectospasm | chepe263: better off restarting from scratch, it will be easier. And have you checked your MD5sum? |
| 05:11.27 | chepe263 | yes i did the md5sum thing |
| 05:11.29 | chepe263 | it's ok |
| 05:11.49 | ectospasm | which ISO did you download? |
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| 05:12.02 | windbuntu | i think its odd that ubuntu comes from debian unstable? seems odd yet i have no trouble, but since debian is stable that sounds a lot better. |
| 05:12.09 | ectospasm | I go for the smallest possible--businesscard ISOs |
| 05:12.20 | somiaj | windbuntu: the internals/admin/software versions/core policies are different. A lot of the end user software is the same. |
| 05:12.41 | somiaj | windbuntu: debian has more testing before things are called stable. ubuntu has its own testing phase/fixing |
| 05:12.44 | chepe263 | i downloaded the netinst image from download page |
| 05:12.46 | chepe263 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:13.01 | ectospasm | chepe263: get a smaller ISO |
| 05:13.07 | shadowofdreams | About six months ago I crashed testing out proprietary graphics drivers under Deb, I was wondering if Debian edu the new release would support a third monitor without a display port as ubuntu does ? |
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| 05:13.37 | windbuntu | what does the debian desktop stand for, the saturn like planet with a space ship flying around? |
| 05:14.00 | chepe263 | eactospam: Start again the instalation is not an option. Download all packages took 10hours |
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| 05:14.16 | ectospasm | chepe263: why are you installing that many packages? |
| 05:14.26 | craigevil | 10hrs? wtf are you on dial-up? |
| 05:14.56 | chepe263 | @craigevil ¬¬ yes. A usb 3g modem |
| 05:15.07 | ectospasm | jikes |
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| 05:15.13 | chepe263 | i need a desktop enviroment, i choose KDE. That's why so many packages |
| 05:15.21 | chepe263 | my only idea is backup the apt cache |
| 05:15.31 | ectospasm | chepe263: why get the most heavyweight DE there is? |
| 05:15.44 | craigevil | kde is not the heaviest |
| 05:15.54 | chepe263 | i use gnome already, needed to try something new |
| 05:15.56 | craigevil | chepe263, download the kde iso |
| 05:16.07 | chepe263 | i have the debian gnome iso |
| 05:16.11 | chepe263 | and it worked |
| 05:16.14 | sauvin | What IS the "heaviest" then? |
| 05:16.31 | chepe263 | then tried to install the Debian gnome Live 5 times |
| 05:16.47 | chepe263 | each time, grub didn't load the system |
| 05:16.48 | shadowofdreams | About six months ago I crashed testing out proprietary graphics drivers under debian... ... I am wondering if the new Debian Edu will power my third monitor without a monitor display port plug as ubuntu does |
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| 05:17.24 | ectospasm | shadowofdreams: how can you have three monitors without three display ports? Unless you're using some kind of monitor cable splitter... |
| 05:17.41 | chepe263 | There was some issues about partitions. Tried guied partition and also using lvm |
| 05:17.45 | chepe263 | nothing worked |
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| 05:18.01 | chepe263 | then i switched to netinstall. It worked fine till now.... |
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| 05:18.40 | ectospasm | chepe263: do you have a local workstation that has a proper Internet connection, where you can download one of the full DVDs, with most (all?) packages on it? |
| 05:18.45 | shadowofdreams | I one day tried it under ubuntu and it worked then months later someone said on a forum that linux powers them... ones plugged into a hdmi out goes to a dvi port on the monitor and the other two are dvi plugs |
| 05:19.29 | ectospasm | shadowofdreams: it's probably contingent on the video driver. The non-free stuff should handle it, it'd be the same thing Ubuntu uses, most likely. |
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| 05:20.16 | shadowofdreams | I think so too as I'm starting to realize that the high manufacture drivers are hardly supported |
| 05:20.17 | dardevelin | hi there quick dumb quesiton. when using tasksel to install a package. how would one proceed it's removal ? |
| 05:20.25 | chepe263 | @ectospam no, i dont have. I don't have wire internet either |
| 05:20.44 | craigevil | dardevelin, use apt-get remove foo , or aptitude |
| 05:21.00 | dardevelin | craigevil, are you familiar with tasksel ? |
| 05:21.15 | chepe263 | Is it a good idea to backup the apt cache? so the packages for kde won't be downloaded again |
| 05:21.33 | craigevil | wonders why you would be using tasksel to begin with |
| 05:21.38 | shadowofdreams | Thank You for that information its an important piece of the puzzle as I was left in the dark on gathering up the bits and pieces between different distros |
| 05:22.06 | dardevelin | craigevil, because it can do many things for you (like install a pre set web server which contains an AMP stack ) |
| 05:22.37 | shadowofdreams | I appreciate the help PC to Light |
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| 05:23.07 | wrathpwn | Is there a way to do a net-install of the testing release? |
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| 05:23.26 | dardevelin | so i was pretty much wondering if there is a same easy to remove option ( i know that tasksel doesn't have it or at least isn't listed in it's options ) |
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| 05:23.40 | elkng | is there tool to parce URLs and invoke some programms ? like if it gets links that looks like "http://*.com" it will invoke command "parce_com_links" or for "http://*linux*.org" it will invoke command "parce_links_about_linux" |
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| 05:24.01 | dardevelin | ideally tasksel would also be able to install a set that previously installed |
| 05:24.15 | dardevelin | s/install/uninstall |
| 05:24.24 | craigevil | wrathpwn, yes use the business installer and choose expert, or download a testing iso |
| 05:24.49 | wrathpwn | is there a testing iso that isnt huge? |
| 05:25.08 | cardamon | wrathpwn: why testing? |
| 05:25.20 | cardamon | I just used a netinstal, went min, and upgraded. |
| 05:25.39 | wrathpwn | i'd like to run version 7 |
| 05:25.45 | cardamon | I walked away for 5 minutes and when I came back it was done. |
| 05:25.51 | ectospasm | wrathpwn: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 05:25.52 | wrathpwn | but i don't want to download the giant full iso set |
| 05:26.04 | cardamon | You don't know what you want. |
| 05:26.06 | wrathpwn | kk i'll try that |
| 05:26.12 | wrathpwn | i really dont. |
| 05:26.13 | dardevelin | wrathpwn, and don't install the desktop environment ( get the min installed first, then install the desktop environment ) otherwise you will download it,install it then updated it |
| 05:26.24 | cardamon | If that's your answer, you really don't. |
| 05:26.55 | cardamon | Granted, I'm rather pissed at this point. Pissed as in intoxicated, rather than angry. |
| 05:27.15 | chepe263 | Is there a way to use "tasksel" from a chroot to complete install? |
| 05:28.15 | wrathpwn | im considering switching an ubuntu machine to debian because I have heard there is better upgrade compatibility, also i hate unity |
| 05:28.49 | ectospasm | wrathpwn: go with Mint, then. |
| 05:28.53 | craigevil | wrathpwn, use netinstall, only install base, change sources.list to testing, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, then after it finishes install whatever else you need |
| 05:28.53 | dardevelin | wrathpwn, debian is rolling released unless you pick the stable which is frozen |
| 05:29.33 | wrathpwn | do i have to use the business card iso for the netinstall, or will the larger netinstall iso work? |
| 05:29.41 | craigevil | wrathpwn, you also might want to try Mint's LMDE |
| 05:29.46 | craigevil | wrathpwn, either one |
| 05:29.55 | dardevelin | wrathpwn, about unity if you don't like gnome-shell either consider using your ubuntu to try out other DE's because in testing and unstable you will find g-shell |
| 05:30.00 | chepe263 | help? |
| 05:30.26 | craigevil | chepe263, run the installer again, it should start from where it left off |
| 05:30.40 | wrathpwn | i am aware that im not really locked into unity with ubuntu, but I've had terrible experiences with upgrades, and I've heard debian is better in that aspect |
| 05:31.01 | dardevelin | wrathpwn, i'm running sid for a year and is working rock solid :D |
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| 05:31.13 | chepe263 | no, it's going to partition the disk again |
| 05:31.27 | craigevil | wrathpwn, installed sid on my desktop in Feb 2004, still havent had to reinstall |
| 05:31.34 | dardevelin | chepe263, maybe didn't finshed the first time ? |
| 05:31.52 | wrathpwn | is there a way to install sid from the net install? |
| 05:31.54 | chepe263 | it partition fine |
| 05:32.10 | chepe263 | i'm browsing the files in partition ext3 from disk using ubuntu |
| 05:35.09 | cardamon | Leaving ubuntu because you hate unity is a terrible reason to leave ubuntu. There are much better reasons. |
| 05:35.13 | cardamon | ^_^ |
| 05:36.33 | wrathpwn | hate might be a bit of a strong word. mostly i feel like its unresponsive on the p4 that i'm running it on |
| 05:37.07 | chepe263 | I'll install fedora. no more debian pain for me |
| 05:37.10 | chepe263 | :( |
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| 05:40.10 | windbuntu | i just watched a youtube vid on installing debian |
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| 05:44.33 | dardevelin | wonders why isn't as simple as xampp for linux |
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| 05:50.01 | laite | Hi, I use ssh to get my laptop connected to my main computer (for irssi ;) but recently I've been hopping between xubuntu and debian on my main computer and everytime I change distro I get "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" from ssh and I have to manually remove old host key. Is there some way to get my computer to accept both keys for same IP address? |
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| 05:51.09 | Tux | laite, for a quick, cheap way you can copy the host keys from one distro |
| 05:51.17 | Tux | to the other distro |
| 05:51.35 | laite | Tux: can't believe I didn't thought of that =) |
| 05:51.38 | laite | thanks |
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| 05:56.43 | somiaj | laite: just pick one key, and copy it to both of your installs |
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| 05:56.50 | zerafuZe | hello |
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| 05:57.03 | zerafuZe | i just install debian 6.0.4 and i am getting these errors |
| 05:57.06 | somiaj | laite: you can change the server key ssh uses and make it the same for both OS |
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| 05:57.57 | somiaj | and I'm just being slow, (: |
| 05:58.27 | zerafuZe | please take a look |
| 05:58.31 | zerafuZe | and help here is the pastebin |
| 05:58.36 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/YjybG6VG |
| 05:58.50 | zerafuZe | i have tried setting different mirrors manually etc but nothing seems to be going my way |
| 05:59.02 | Aiwass | how can I disable an USB port (the USB 3.0 port)? with the information found on the internet I could't disable it, changing to suspend /sys/bus/usb/devices/usbX/power/level |
| 05:59.05 | zerafuZe | i am trying to make the switch to debian from fedora but i cant seem to get the mirrors setup without error |
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| 06:00.07 | zerafuZe | can anyone offer insight |
| 06:00.11 | somiaj | zerafuZe: care to put a copy of your sources.list on a pastebin |
| 06:00.18 | zerafuZe | i have |
| 06:00.19 | zerafuZe | oh |
| 06:00.22 | craigevil | zerafuZe, the us mirrors suck, looks like the ca mirror is working just change them all to that |
| 06:00.24 | zerafuZe | you want my sources.list there too? |
| 06:00.50 | somiaj | Aiwass: any reason why you want to disable that. Usually that is something you may be able to do in the bios |
| 06:01.12 | somiaj | zerafuZe: yes, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources.gz -- that /dists/dists makes me think something is astray |
| 06:01.40 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/1ZzTuPNB |
| 06:01.43 | zerafuZe | that is my sources.list |
| 06:02.03 | zerafuZe | now this is on a fresh new install i havent installed anything or even been able to update security patches if there are any |
| 06:02.19 | craigevil | zerafuZe, just change the country code from us to ca, the us mirror SUCKS |
| 06:02.24 | zerafuZe | im used to the gentoo world or the fedora world but i want to switch to debian for convenience and support |
| 06:02.35 | zerafuZe | craigevil: how do i change the country code |
| 06:03.06 | craigevil | change "us" to ca or whatever country code you want to use |
| 06:03.25 | craigevil | as root nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:03.36 | zerafuZe | yah i just did |
| 06:03.38 | zerafuZe | and i got more errors |
| 06:03.40 | somiaj | zerafuZe: you have conflicting mirrors, which ones do you want to use |
| 06:03.47 | Aiwass | somiaj: because I'm not using it at all and it powertop shows a number of wakeups not justified for an unused usb port |
| 06:04.08 | somiaj | zerafuZe: I would comment out lines 18, 19 and 20. And then remove the dists/ from the end of your url on lines 7,8 |
| 06:04.37 | somiaj | Aiwass: well I would first see if you can turn it off in the bios. Not sure how to tell your monintor to ignore them. |
| 06:04.56 | zerafuZe | somiaj: ok i did that now |
| 06:05.04 | zerafuZe | but shouldnt i not be using the us mirror because its fail? |
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| 06:05.36 | somiaj | the us mirror was ahving trouble because of the extra dists/ at the end of your urls, not because the mirror was bad |
| 06:05.43 | Aiwass | Thanks, I will try that now |
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| 06:06.02 | craigevil | !mirrors |
| 06:06.02 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:06.26 | zerafuZe | somiaj: ok i did what you said, and it almost worked completely here is the new pastebin |
| 06:06.27 | somiaj | zerafuZe: and has craigevil is suggesting, pick the country mirror best for you. |
| 06:06.32 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/07rK4HFK |
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| 06:06.45 | zerafuZe | i tried changing the .us to .ca |
| 06:06.50 | zerafuZe | but i got more errors |
| 06:06.55 | zerafuZe | like the directories were wrong or something |
| 06:07.38 | somiaj | zerafuZe: the site is also ftp.ca.debian.org (not http.ca.debian.org) |
| 06:07.43 | zerafuZe | cant resolve http.ca.debian.org |
| 06:07.46 | zerafuZe | ok |
| 06:08.23 | zerafuZe | and its still using ftp protocol |
| 06:08.32 | zerafuZe | so i change the http:// to ftp://ftp.ca. etc |
| 06:08.34 | zerafuZe | correct? |
| 06:09.00 | somiaj | you don't need to change teh http:// I belive |
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| 06:09.12 | somiaj | you can use either protocol, but change the actual mirror |
| 06:09.30 | somiaj | http:// vs ftp:// is just the port you connect on, sometimes this matters for a firewall |
| 06:10.10 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/yJhFQ3Wh |
| 06:10.15 | zerafuZe | thats the new paste im getting |
| 06:10.21 | zerafuZe | it seems im having troube resolving the mirror |
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| 06:10.41 | somiaj | no, this is a 404, give me the new copy of your sources.list |
| 06:10.41 | zerafuZe | i appreciate your help thank you for taking the time |
| 06:10.47 | zerafuZe | k |
| 06:10.49 | zerafuZe | one sec |
| 06:11.27 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/gzRbhfaP |
| 06:11.56 | zerafuZe | thats updated sources.list |
| 06:11.57 | somiaj | it's line 14 causing you issues |
| 06:12.13 | somiaj | you can just comment it out for the time being |
| 06:12.24 | somiaj | you should really have line 14 be to the security.debian.org mirror though |
| 06:12.27 | somiaj | that is your issue with it |
| 06:13.02 | zerafuZe | well line 13 is that |
| 06:13.28 | zerafuZe | yah when i change line 14 to security. i get errors again |
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| 06:14.53 | zerafuZe | hmmm when i go to system update |
| 06:14.54 | somiaj | remove the debian/ from the end of it, it should look almost like the line above it |
| 06:14.58 | zerafuZe | i did this install via the internet |
| 06:15.03 | zerafuZe | it says my system is up to date |
| 06:15.13 | zerafuZe | is that correct? because i downloaded the files from the net doing a net install? |
| 06:15.37 | zerafuZe | ok |
| 06:15.42 | zerafuZe | problem solved in sources.list |
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| 06:15.44 | zerafuZe | thank you so much |
| 06:16.08 | zerafuZe | now i have another question about my wifi |
| 06:16.24 | zerafuZe | the laptop is a dell n5110 with intel wireless that works under fedora and openbsd |
| 06:16.39 | zerafuZe | but i cant seem to get it to detect and im not even seeing anything in dmesg |more |
| 06:16.50 | namula | hello |
| 06:17.37 | namula | I cant install debian-multimedia-keyring, and I need it to use debian-multimedia pakages |
| 06:17.48 | namula | do you know what can I do? |
| 06:18.02 | zerafuZe | its not even showing up under lspci |
| 06:18.12 | zerafuZe | but it works out of the box with fedora 16 |
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| 06:18.22 | namula | zerafuZe : update kernel |
| 06:19.12 | zerafuZe | how do i do that |
| 06:19.28 | namula | uname -r |
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| 06:20.23 | zerafuZe | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 06:20.30 | namula | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 06:20.47 | namula | install this repo and from there you can update the kernel |
| 06:21.13 | zerafuZe | ok |
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| 06:22.11 | namula | someone knows how can I install debian-keyring? it says is broken |
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| 06:23.01 | zerafuZe | ok |
| 06:23.11 | zerafuZe | i added that to sources and ran apt-get update |
| 06:23.32 | namula | go to synaptic |
| 06:23.40 | namula | and there to options |
| 06:23.46 | somiaj | most likely you have to install non-free firmware for the wifi |
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| 06:24.22 | namula | It is new the wifi or is a bit older? |
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| 06:24.55 | zerafuZe | preferences or package options in synaptic |
| 06:25.00 | zerafuZe | its an intel wireless n |
| 06:25.03 | namula | preferences |
| 06:25.05 | zerafuZe | on a new dell laptop n5110 |
| 06:25.26 | zerafuZe | ok im in preferences |
| 06:25.37 | namula | if it is new you need to update kernel and install non-free firmware |
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| 06:25.55 | namula | go the last tab |
| 06:26.04 | zerafuZe | ok |
| 06:26.13 | zerafuZe | highest, installed, or prefer versions |
| 06:26.36 | namula | prefer backports |
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| 06:27.02 | zerafuZe | backports not stable correct? |
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| 06:27.49 | zerafuZe | ok i reloaded in synaptic with the backports selected and now it gives me 31 packages listed |
| 06:27.51 | namula | backports install some non stable pakages but you will stay in squeze |
| 06:28.00 | namula | update the system |
| 06:29.00 | zerafuZe | i went to update manager and clicked check and it says my system is up to date |
| 06:29.14 | namula | aptitude update |
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| 06:30.15 | zerafuZe | ok i did that and it looked like what apt-get update did |
| 06:30.20 | zerafuZe | just cycled thru mirrors |
| 06:30.26 | zerafuZe | @ security.debian.org |
| 06:30.35 | zerafuZe | then back to bash prompt |
| 06:31.15 | namula | can you paste in pastebin? |
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| 06:32.05 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/hMQmp1Ye |
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| 06:33.15 | zerafuZe | there you go |
| 06:33.30 | namula | and aptitude upgrade? |
| 06:33.45 | zerafuZe | that is aptitude update |
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| 06:34.18 | internat | ok people.. i have a wierd one.. i have a laptop with a usb to network card, that seems to be constantly dropping packets.. say about 11%. its not swapping, its go nothing smashing the cpu.. infact all it is doing is acting as a router.. any ideas where to srtart looking at the cause of the packet loss? |
| 06:34.19 | zerafuZe | aptitude upgrade says no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
| 06:34.25 | namula | no, it is for update |
| 06:34.28 | zerafuZe | yes |
| 06:34.34 | zerafuZe | update is the pastebin |
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| 06:34.43 | namula | mmm |
| 06:34.47 | namula | go synaptic |
| 06:35.02 | zerafuZe | ok |
| 06:35.03 | zerafuZe | in |
| 06:35.08 | raptor67682 | CLI: I wrote a txt file with nano. a quesion. how to print a text file with CLI. lp file.txt does use the full width. I would like to do cat file.txt | here take 40chars for formatting (and wrap to the next line every 40 chars) | lp . lp file.txt does print but formatting could be improved. |
| 06:35.22 | zerafuZe | im in synaptic |
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| 06:36.16 | namula | install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 06:37.30 | namula | what model it is? |
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| 06:37.45 | zerafuZe | my laptop? |
| 06:37.47 | zerafuZe | N5110 |
| 06:37.51 | namula | the wireless |
| 06:37.54 | zerafuZe | oh |
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| 06:38.12 | zerafuZe | centrino wireless-N 1030 i believe |
| 06:39.06 | zerafuZe | cant install that kernel |
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| 06:39.48 | zerafuZe | i mark it for installation then it says to be removed linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 06:40.02 | zerafuZe | and linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 06:40.16 | zerafuZe | so i click mark to be removed |
| 06:40.29 | zerafuZe | and it says |
| 06:40.36 | zerafuZe | could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade |
| 06:41.12 | zerafuZe | linux-image-3.2.0.0 depends linux-base >=3~ but 2.6.32-45 is to be installed recommends firmware-linux-free but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:41.26 | namula | do you have team viewer? |
| 06:41.26 | zerafuZe | breaks: initramfs-tools but 0.98.8 is to be installed |
| 06:41.33 | zerafuZe | i dont know |
| 06:41.42 | zerafuZe | this is a fresh install |
| 06:41.46 | zerafuZe | net install |
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| 06:41.49 | zerafuZe | network installation |
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| 06:42.03 | namula | if you install it I can install the kernel for you |
| 06:42.19 | zerafuZe | but is that safe for me |
| 06:42.26 | namula | http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux_x64.deb |
| 06:42.27 | zerafuZe | and wont i have to open ports in the router and stuff |
| 06:43.17 | namula | yes it is safe |
| 06:43.27 | zerafuZe | cuz i dont know if i can open ports |
| 06:43.43 | namula | you dont need open ports |
| 06:44.26 | zerafuZe | wgetting it now |
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| 06:44.55 | zerafuZe | how do i install a file from a local directory |
| 06:44.59 | zerafuZe | apt-get install doesnt do it |
| 06:45.44 | namula | rpm -i |
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| 06:45.57 | zerafuZe | rpm isnt installed |
| 06:46.01 | zerafuZe | and its a .deb package |
| 06:46.05 | namula | sorry |
| 06:46.10 | namula | dpkg -i |
| 06:46.10 | dpkg | namula: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:46.14 | zerafuZe | ty\ |
| 06:46.48 | namula | install gdebi from synaptic |
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| 06:47.12 | zerafuZe | http://pastebin.com/0mpc1WmF |
| 06:47.48 | jair | hello guys, I am doing some work with html5 and bluefish on debian squeeze, I am working of a local directory "/home/jair/www" the file is owe by "jair" with local permissions 644 I want to transfer this file to my web server with ownership "root" and permissions 755 what will be the best way to accomplish this automatically via scp or rsync? |
| 06:47.50 | zerafuZe | gdebi in synaptic is installed |
| 06:48.13 | zerafuZe | i gotta say i have never had so much trouble with a freesh install of any distro in my life |
| 06:48.19 | zerafuZe | but i like the userland of debian |
| 06:48.22 | zerafuZe | its very nice |
| 06:48.48 | zerafuZe | so yeah gdebi is installed and that pastebin is what happens when i try to dpkg teamviewer |
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| 06:49.46 | somiaj | zerafuZe: try apt-get -f install |
| 06:50.08 | somiaj | zerafuZe: also be weary of installing .debs from other sources besides debian. Make sure they are compiuled against squeeze libs |
| 06:50.35 | zerafuZe | ok im installing the dependencies now |
| 06:50.43 | namula | zerafuZe : apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 06:50.44 | zerafuZe | sorry my eyes are really sore i missed what apt-get told me to do |
| 06:52.11 | zerafuZe | i cant install a kernel somiaj |
| 06:52.18 | zerafuZe | namula: i believe teamviewer is installed now |
| 06:52.33 | namula | works? |
| 06:52.46 | zerafuZe | i got it installed |
| 06:52.50 | zerafuZe | i dont know where to go from here |
| 06:52.55 | zerafuZe | i dont see anything in the gui |
| 06:53.04 | namula | open it from internet |
| 06:53.10 | zerafuZe | nor any teamviewer related stuff i think in /etc/ |
| 06:53.23 | zerafuZe | how? |
| 06:53.57 | somiaj | not sure what this teamviewer is, but if it isn't part of debian its not really a support question for this place |
| 06:54.17 | ectospasm | teamviewer isn't in apt, I don't believe... |
| 06:54.26 | zerafuZe | no its not |
| 06:54.47 | zerafuZe | ok how do i uninstall a package i manually installed |
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| 06:54.51 | somiaj | you may want to read their documentation on that package. |
| 06:54.54 | ectospasm | they may provide a deb for it, but support won't come from this channel. |
| 06:55.00 | somiaj | you can uninstall with dpkg or apt |
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| 06:55.36 | zerafuZe | hmm |
| 06:55.53 | ectospasm | zerafuZe: if you installed it from source the package maintainers may have provided a "make uninstall" command or similar. |
| 06:55.53 | zerafuZe | i type in apt-get remove teamviewer_linux_x64 and also x64.deb |
| 06:55.58 | zerafuZe | but it says it cant find it |
| 06:56.00 | zerafuZe | no it was a deb package |
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| 06:56.21 | somiaj | use the package name, teamviewer7 |
| 06:56.25 | somiaj | dpkg -l | grep teamviewer |
| 06:56.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep teamviewer |
| 06:56.26 | zerafuZe | ok i got it removed |
| 06:56.28 | zerafuZe | thanks |
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| 06:56.40 | zerafuZe | now i just gotta figure out why it wont let me install a new kernel |
| 06:57.07 | somiaj | what 'new' kernel are you trying to install and how are you trying to install it? |
| 06:57.47 | zerafuZe | well im trying to get my wifi working |
| 06:58.20 | somiaj | what is your wifi chipset? |
| 06:58.23 | zerafuZe | so it was suggested i upgrade to 3.2.0 |
| 06:58.32 | somiaj | again did you follow my suggestion and install the non-free firmware package for it |
| 06:58.33 | zerafuZe | i have tried with synaptic |
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| 06:58.38 | zerafuZe | yes i did |
| 06:58.41 | zerafuZe | install the firmware |
| 06:59.00 | somiaj | what chipset |
| 06:59.49 | zerafuZe | intel centrino wireless-n 1030 |
| 06:59.53 | zerafuZe | 8086:5325 i believe |
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| 07:00.14 | somiaj | ,pciid 8086:5325 |
| 07:00.15 | judd | [8086:5325] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:5325 |
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| 07:00.39 | lcc | I want to make a src dvd of cd1. how can I do this? |
| 07:01.04 | zerafuZe | i have installed firmware-iwlwifi |
| 07:01.06 | lcc | not how to make the cd/dvd. how to fetch the src. |
| 07:01.30 | zerafuZe | but its not even showing up in lspci |
| 07:01.32 | zerafuZe | or dmesg |
| 07:01.40 | zerafuZe | but it works under fedora and *bsd |
| 07:01.41 | somiaj | zerafuZe: you haven't given me a useful pciid or chipset for your card |
| 07:02.29 | zerafuZe | im pretty sure its 8086:5325 |
| 07:03.39 | somiaj | provide the output of lspci |
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| 07:04.34 | ectospasm | that'd be befitting if Intel's manufacturer code was 8086... |
| 07:04.47 | zerafuZe | it is |
| 07:05.08 | somiaj | seems strange its ata_generic though, but hoping to find the card on the wiki |
| 07:05.11 | lcc | hm... the src cd's contain the src for the entire cd set. |
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| 07:05.30 | zerafuZe | it works under other flavours of linux |
| 07:05.43 | somiaj | zerafuZe: I'm sure it will work, I just want to identify what chipset it is. |
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| 07:07.51 | somiaj | but to get linux kernel 3.2, you will want to get it from squeeze-backports |
| 07:08.00 | somiaj | go follow the instructions are backports.debian.org |
| 07:08.57 | zerafuZe | somiaj: i have been trying to install from backports already |
| 07:08.59 | zerafuZe | its not working |
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| 07:10.03 | zerafuZe | ok i fixed it |
| 07:10.06 | zerafuZe | upgrading kernel now |
| 07:10.10 | zerafuZe | then i will have to reboot |
| 07:10.14 | zerafuZe | and see what i can do about this wireless |
| 07:10.27 | zerafuZe | for some reason its not showing up in lspci |
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| 07:11.27 | zerafuZe | ok new kernel installed |
| 07:11.30 | zerafuZe | brb |
| 07:11.37 | zerafuZe | thanks for the help too... much appreciated |
| 07:11.39 | zerafuZe | ill brb |
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| 07:27.14 | compost | hello |
| 07:27.25 | compost | I have some problems with codecs |
| 07:27.48 | compost | It have some conflicts because I installed backports |
| 07:27.58 | compost | I cant install xine |
| 07:28.09 | compost | what should I do? |
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| 07:30.09 | compost | please help :S |
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| 07:33.52 | scientes | compost, use gstreamer or vlc |
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| 07:34.37 | compost | scientes : thanks but xine is the best, whit it i can play hd on my netbook |
| 07:35.08 | scientes | ..gstreamer and vlc have VAAPI and multi-threading.... |
| 07:35.25 | scientes | compost, paste pls |
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| 07:36.50 | compost | scientes: http://pastebin.com/STWwdZip if you dont understand something tell me |
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| 07:38.03 | scientes | compost, aptitude, the gui part, is usally the fastest way to see what is going on, but you could also try adding libxine1 to the end of that install line |
| 07:40.32 | compost | http://pastebin.com/fSZ84uFE |
| 07:42.42 | scientes | compost, LANG=C sudo aptitude install xine-ui |
| 07:42.58 | scientes | (ater q) |
| 07:43.34 | scientes | *after |
| 07:43.49 | compost | http://pastebin.com/7B49aPY1 |
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| 07:44.37 | scientes | well that obviously is not an acceptable solution |
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| 07:44.41 | scientes | try using aptitude |
| 07:44.49 | scientes | which will launch the ncurses GUI |
| 07:45.06 | scientes | they hit "/" to search |
| 07:45.41 | ectospasm | heh, it always takes me a minute to remember how to get out of that, I use it never. |
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| 07:45.51 | scientes | BTW, LANG=C mean english (or actually the language it was programmed in) |
| 07:46.08 | scientes | just keep hitting "q" to get out of it |
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| 07:46.50 | scientes | biggest pitfall is that you need to use ctrl-t, and then "cancel pending actions" to avoid it from trying to do very crazy things |
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| 07:47.11 | scientes | (like reinstalling packages you removed, but not in aptitude) |
| 07:47.40 | compost | scientes : i search xine-ui? |
| 07:48.12 | scientes | compost, yes hit "/" then type "^xine-ui" |
| 07:48.20 | scientes | then enter |
| 07:48.40 | compost | what I should do now? |
| 07:48.50 | scientes | and you can see the versions available, for that package and its dependancies, after you enter its page |
| 07:49.09 | cardamon | Does anyone know any way I can find out my NIC's mac address? |
| 07:49.22 | scientes | caraconan, "ip link show" |
| 07:50.03 | compost | scientes , now what I need to do? |
| 07:50.47 | scientes | compost, it you hit "+" then it will try to install it, and you can try to resolve the depedancy and version stuff that might be getting in the way |
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| 07:51.10 | cardamon | scientes: Thank you. |
| 07:51.17 | scientes | because it will show you the specific dependancies that are of issue, and if you hit enter on those, you can try to install differn't versions of them |
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| 07:51.20 | zerafuZe | hi |
| 07:51.27 | zerafuZe | i got wifi to work and new kernel installed |
| 07:51.31 | zerafuZe | i appreciate all the help guys |
| 07:51.34 | zerafuZe | thank you |
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| 07:54.12 | zerafuZe | now that ive gotten myself comfy in debian im upgrading to wheezy |
| 07:54.17 | zerafuZe | i like to live dangerously |
| 07:54.20 | zerafuZe | plus i want gnome 3 |
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| 07:54.44 | mikimouse | ciao |
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| 07:55.23 | scientes | zerafuZe, wheezy is not yet frozen, so it is a moving target |
| 07:55.29 | mikimouse | list |
| 07:55.31 | zerafuZe | yah i know |
| 07:55.42 | compost | scientes , it dont install |
| 07:55.50 | zerafuZe | like i said im gettomg familiar with debian userland etc now |
| 07:55.55 | zerafuZe | s/gettomg/getting |
| 07:55.57 | elkng | "ciao" meaning either "hello", "goodbye", "bye" or "hi", same word for "hi" and "bye" ? |
| 07:56.11 | zerafuZe | i thought ciao was goodbye |
| 07:56.12 | scientes | elkng, he is looking for warez |
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| 07:56.28 | zerafuZe | who needs warez when you have free software |
| 07:56.37 | scientes | thats the spirit! |
| 07:56.40 | zerafuZe | :) |
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| 07:56.58 | zerafuZe | even if wheezy doesnt fair well to me |
| 07:57.11 | zerafuZe | then i will have the experience of installing squeeze again |
| 07:57.18 | zerafuZe | thus getting me some practice time in |
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| 07:57.44 | scientes | well, maybe a seperate /home partition |
| 07:57.51 | compost | scientes : i cant :S |
| 07:58.03 | zerafuZe | quick survey |
| 07:58.08 | scientes | or if you want to be even more daring, try using btrfs, with snapshots |
| 07:58.10 | zerafuZe | how many people are actually using LVM2 ? |
| 07:58.19 | zerafuZe | is it gaining popularity |
| 07:58.24 | scientes | compost, well thats the tool i use to resolv such conflicts |
| 07:58.28 | zerafuZe | or are a lot of people still stuck in the ways of extended partitions |
| 07:58.36 | zerafuZe | or perhaps not even MBR but GUID |
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| 07:58.40 | scientes | compost, you often have to downgrade a few packages |
| 07:58.42 | zerafuZe | in which case you wouldnt need lvm2 |
| 07:58.57 | compost | scientes, how can I do that? |
| 07:59.04 | scientes | zerafuZe, these are totally differn't things |
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| 07:59.56 | mikimouse | ciao |
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| 08:00.03 | compost | scientes : if I disable for install the repos? |
| 08:00.09 | mikimouse | list |
| 08:00.18 | zerafuZe | scientes: i know that |
| 08:00.28 | zerafuZe | im just curious how many people are on the LVM2 bandwagon |
| 08:00.34 | scientes | compost, its kinda hard to explain, there are many ways, but if you only install from the repos you are unlikely to run into this roblem |
| 08:00.51 | hash | hello im installing debian right now and i got a firmware missing error in the beginning i downloaded it in the tar can i just put in into the folder its supposed to go ing |
| 08:01.03 | scientes | !firmware |
| 08:01.03 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 08:01.12 | hash | to go in * |
| 08:01.18 | hash | after it installs |
| 08:01.31 | scientes | if it installs just ignore the error, depends what hardware |
| 08:01.50 | compost | scientes, if I compile it? |
| 08:01.54 | hash | from what i gathered it was my nic card |
| 08:02.12 | elkng | !dpkg |
| 08:02.12 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 08:02.21 | lusers | hash: Write down the name of the firmware. Install it afterward if you need to. Search for 'firmware' |
| 08:02.35 | hash | yeah i saw the article on debian removing all non free items |
| 08:02.36 | lusers | (with apt-get or aptitude) |
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| 08:02.50 | scientes | http://packages.debian.org/firmware |
| 08:03.01 | hash | i have the firmware number and i have the tar downloaded on a thumbdrive |
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| 08:03.47 | compost | scientes : I am going to try to compile |
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| 08:04.14 | scientes | compost, that doesn't seem neccicary |
| 08:04.35 | scientes | compost, you need to be able to apt-get build-dep xine-ui, in order to compile |
| 08:05.34 | lusers | I asked in #debian-next. No answer. I hope I'll get something here. |
| 08:05.43 | lusers | checking for readline in -lreadline... no |
| 08:05.57 | lusers | configure: error: libreadline can't be found |
| 08:06.15 | lusers | I get that when I ran ./configure --help (on pwsafe) -- What can I do? I installed libreadline-dev. |
| 08:06.18 | elkng | Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
| 08:06.29 | lusers | elkng: On OFTC. |
| 08:06.39 | elkng | what is #debian-next about ? |
| 08:06.46 | elkng | worth to join ? |
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| 08:07.05 | lusers | !debian-next | elkng |
| 08:07.06 | dpkg | | elkng: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 08:07.16 | lusers | That.... |
| 08:07.40 | elkng | for members only ? |
| 08:08.05 | scientes | elkng, irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next |
| 08:08.14 | lusers | No. It's for public. Why is it on OFTC and not Freenode? I don't know, elkng. |
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| 08:08.24 | Senior | hi |
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| 08:08.38 | compost | scientes : that dont work too :S |
| 08:08.42 | scientes | lusers, elkng irc.debian.net is now OFTC |
| 08:11.18 | compost | scientes : do you know another thing to try? |
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| 08:11.49 | lusers | Meh. I'll disable libreadline. I might need it later... for inputs and stuffs. We'll see. :o |
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| 08:11.57 | hash | well it never recognized the tar on my usb |
| 08:12.11 | lusers | hash: What firmware?: |
| 08:12.19 | scientes | compost, synaptic |
| 08:12.30 | scientes | might have a GUI that you find easier to use than aptitude |
| 08:12.58 | Senior | kalisperes leme now new Network In Irc Chat /server -m altitude.serveblog.net joined people and nice have chat and day!! |
| 08:13.13 | hash | e100/d102e_ucode.bin |
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| 08:14.01 | compost | scientes : and there what i need to do? |
| 08:14.12 | lusers | hash: "sudo apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 08:14.16 | lusers | hash: And you're done. |
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| 08:15.04 | hash | lusers if thats the firmware for my nic card will i be able to connect to download it |
| 08:15.21 | scientes | compost, well its some version, of some package xine-ui uses |
| 08:15.32 | scientes | compost, like check your !sources |
| 08:15.45 | lusers | hash: If your computer does not have Internet right now, no, you can't run that command to download (and install) the package. |
| 08:15.49 | zerafuZe | thats the scoop |
| 08:15.53 | lusers | hash: You'll need to download the deb. |
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| 08:16.23 | compost | scientes : and if I install from here http://www.xine-project.org/releases ? |
| 08:16.50 | hash | lusers thats y i was asking since i have it in a tar on my thumbdrive will i be able to just drop it in place |
| 08:16.57 | scientes | compost, that will not help you |
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| 08:18.21 | lusers | hash: You could. Just grab firmware-linux-nonfree.deb from Debian Package website. |
| 08:18.34 | hash | come to think of it i have a wifi usb that should work |
| 08:18.35 | compost | scientes : if you want and you have team viewer I can show to you |
| 08:19.22 | hash | thanks lusers |
| 08:19.32 | scientes | compost, how about remmina/vino |
| 08:19.59 | compost | scientes , what is that? |
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| 08:20.09 | scientes | compost, VNC, similar to teamview |
| 08:20.30 | scientes | compost, ssh would also work, apt-get install openssh-server (but there are port forwarding issues...) |
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| 08:21.50 | compost | I have installed them |
| 08:22.33 | scientes | compost, yeah it wont work unless you forward your ports |
| 08:22.58 | compost | yes, I have open them |
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| 08:23.05 | D4RKST4R | hi |
| 08:23.06 | hash | now just another hour or so till debian finishes installing |
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| 08:24.28 | D4RKST4R | i have a debian lenny server. now apt-get return me server not found. what address i can use in source.list? thanks you |
| 08:25.13 | compost | scientes, how can I use it? I only used team viewer |
| 08:25.51 | lusers | !lenny | D4RKST4R |
| 08:26.58 | streuner | !+tell D4RKST4R -about lenny |
| 08:26.59 | dpkg | told D4RKST4R about lenny. |
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| 08:27.14 | pieruccio | ciao |
| 08:27.18 | pieruccio | !list |
| 08:27.18 | dpkg | pieruccio: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:27.33 | scientes | ^lol |
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| 08:31.38 | fasta | Which package allows automounting any usb mass storage device I attach independent of desktop environment? |
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| 08:34.23 | lusers | fasta: pmount? ivman? autofs? |
| 08:34.32 | zerafuZe | anyone have any personal experience or quickie review they would like to share with me on the topic of debian/kfreebsd? |
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| 08:37.37 | fasta | lusers: I only need one. Which one is the best? |
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| 08:38.56 | fasta | lusers: ivman is from 2007. |
| 08:39.04 | fasta | lusers: why do you even care to mention it? |
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| 08:39.53 | lusers | fasta: You asked... |
| 08:39.54 | fasta | lusers: pmount doesn't do what I asked for. |
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| 08:40.15 | fasta | So, you could just have said 'autofs', if that works. |
| 08:40.32 | lusers | fasta: I use autofs for differnet purposes but never for usb mass storage devices. |
| 08:40.45 | lusers | different* |
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| 08:42.19 | scientes | compost, good? |
| 08:42.30 | scientes | compost, you had alot of non-backport stuff installed |
| 08:42.49 | compost | thanks you very much |
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| 08:43.34 | compost | I dont know what I have installed that is not backports |
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| 08:45.02 | fasta | lusers: how do you manage your mass storage devices then? |
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| 08:45.32 | lusers | fasta: I let my desktop environment taking care of that for me. |
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| 08:46.13 | lusers | (And I don't really have any usb mass storage devices) |
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| 08:47.52 | scientes | compost, yeah, i am not sure |
| 08:48.11 | scientes | compost, I am not familiar with how mint debian edition handles things, that might be the issue |
| 08:48.27 | compost | ok, thanks for all |
| 08:48.46 | compost | but i only install the repo of mint to install firefox and thunderbird |
| 08:48.49 | scientes | !mozilla |
| 08:48.49 | dpkg | Mozilla Application Suite (originally Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications, succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>, <firefox>, <thunderbird>. |
| 08:48.54 | scientes | wait |
| 08:49.00 | scientes | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 08:50.03 | compost | but it is workin good with mint repo, and it dont install nothing else |
| 08:50.30 | scientes | well you might want to select "I am running wheezy", etc, but those are high quality, but use what works for you |
| 08:50.57 | scientes | http://ftp.mozilla.org/ also has tarball versions of firefox |
| 08:51.02 | scientes | that autoupdate |
| 08:51.15 | compost | ok |
| 08:51.17 | scientes | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/ |
| 08:51.29 | compost | ok, i will see |
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| 08:51.57 | compost | thanks for all, now i gona left. later if I can I will be back |
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| 08:53.05 | compost | scientes, thanks very very much. googbye |
| 08:53.22 | compost | later if I can I will be back |
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| 09:03.10 | fasta | lusers: my DE also could do it luckily. |
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| 09:11.49 | woshty | enyone else encoutered that testing defoma upgrade thing yesterday or is it only me again? |
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| 09:14.58 | lusers | w |
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| 09:22.41 | Blackshirt | Good evening |
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| 09:23.23 | superdmp | hello, I am rewriting some Ubuntu instructions, for Debian, for setting up a server |
| 09:23.36 | superdmp | locale-gen doesn't work on my new Debian server |
| 09:23.46 | Blackshirt | Superpmp,what you writing on? |
| 09:23.46 | superdmp | locale is installed |
| 09:24.17 | nkuttler | !tell superdmp about errors |
| 09:25.00 | superdmp | I'm using Debian 6.0.4 |
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| 09:25.17 | superdmp | error: |
| 09:25.18 | superdmp | locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 09:25.19 | superdmp | -bash: locale-gen: command not found |
| 09:25.40 | superdmp | oops, sorry about pasting |
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| 09:26.49 | woshty | hi, my xfce is broken somehow. at first after some wheezy upgrades, session handling disappeared, which was fine by me, but now i realized that (some of) the window manager settings do not seem to have any effect. i am running xfwm according to process lists. is there a know error that presents like this? |
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| 09:27.21 | superdmp | is locale-gen not part of the locale package? |
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| 09:28.06 | Blackshirt | Woshty,reinstall your xfce4-session maybe help you |
| 09:28.39 | Blackshirt | Superpmp , check with dpkg |
| 09:28.53 | woshty | Blackshirt: i wlill try that .. |
| 09:29.11 | streuner | superdmp: amset:/tmp# dpkg -L locales | grep locale-gen /usr/share/man/man8/locale-gen.8.gz /usr/sbin/locale-gen |
| 09:30.44 | superdmp | streuner: locales is not installed - so I guess that's the package I need afetr all - thanks |
| 09:31.53 | superdmp | running apt-get install locales produced this: http://dpaste.com/747489/ |
| 09:32.01 | superdmp | before I go any further, is that a problem? |
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| 09:34.48 | sunbeam | http://pastebin.com/WLAa5WBm |
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| 09:34.53 | sunbeam | when installing php5-curl |
| 09:35.23 | sunbeam | does anyone know which package i should install to get curl functions? |
| 09:35.37 | jelly-home | sunbeam: that's the right package. |
| 09:36.00 | tremon | sunbeam: -t squeeze-backports? |
| 09:36.19 | sunbeam | jelly-home: but it will remove a lot |
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| 09:36.26 | jelly-home | sunbeam: just don't accept the first solution, let aptitude figure out it has to upgrade all the other packages built from php5 source |
| 09:36.51 | Listar | hi, i need some help with my debian, i've toshiba i7 and i can't see the temperature and fan usage, my fan is working and the rpm still 0 and coretemp unable. |
| 09:36.54 | Listar | anyone can help? |
| 09:36.58 | Listar | please |
| 09:37.18 | jelly-home | sunbeam: alternatively, safe-upgrade the current installation first, then install other packages |
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| 09:37.38 | sunbeam | jelly-home: so press N? |
| 09:37.46 | jelly-home | sunbeam: correct |
| 09:37.53 | sunbeam | and then it won't remove? |
| 09:37.58 | sunbeam | this server needs to keep running |
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| 09:38.28 | jelly-home | sunbeam: and then aptitude will try to find a different solution. Accept one you're happy with. |
| 09:39.24 | cardamon | Hmm. |
| 09:39.25 | sunbeam | jelly-home: ok thanks |
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| 09:44.56 | cardamon | A little toasted. Someone want to help me with my ssh server? I think I got it setup right finally. Port22 is forwarded to me on the router, and I think I set up ddclient properly. But I get this when I try to ssh in from my laptop: http://paste.debian.net/168572/ |
| 09:45.34 | cardamon | I think that just means it's used to the old known host, so it's not used to new key on this server. |
| 09:45.46 | cardamon | am I right? |
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| 09:45.55 | ectospasm | cardamon: yes |
| 09:46.05 | da78 | cardamon: Add correct host key in /home/mute/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
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| 09:46.26 | ectospasm | ...and remove the old fingerprint |
| 09:46.27 | da78 | cardamon: i think is the 1st entry. |
| 09:46.33 | cardamon | Is there a way to fetch the old host key? |
| 09:46.38 | cardamon | er the new host key? |
| 09:47.07 | ectospasm | cardamon: delete the first line of .ssh/known_hosts, and accept the key when you try to reconnect |
| 09:47.17 | da78 | cardamon: --> /home/mute/.ssh/known_hosts:1 |
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| 09:49.18 | ectospasm | cardamon: or, copy the keys from the old server (/etc/ssh/...) to the new server. |
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| 09:50.05 | cardamon | If I don't have any other hosts on it I need known, can I just empty the known-hosts file? |
| 09:50.32 | cardamon | s/known-hosts/known_hosts/ |
| 09:50.43 | ectospasm | cardamon: sure, but you'll have to re-accept any previously known hosts... |
| 09:51.04 | cardamon | ectospasm: I see two ecdsa entries and two ssh-rsa entries |
| 09:51.16 | cardamon | I'm fine with reaccepting. |
| 09:51.30 | ectospasm | ...but then you run the risk of MITM |
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| 09:52.04 | cardamon | MITM? |
| 09:52.14 | cardamon | Man in the Middle, I get that> |
| 09:52.20 | cardamon | but how? |
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| 09:53.01 | cardamon | ...wouldn't the only way to avoid a man in the middle attack 100% be to exchange keys manually? |
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| 09:53.08 | cardamon | IE: Sneakernet? |
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| 09:56.54 | ectospasm | cardamon: yup |
| 09:57.13 | ectospasm | ...make sure you verify your key fingerprint |
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| 09:58.56 | cardamon | Well, I already did it...so if anyone has hacked the connection between my server to the router to no-ip back to the router and finally to my netbook...quit looking at my porn. |
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| 10:02.26 | Listar | hi, please |
| 10:02.47 | Listar | i'm trying to do that tutorial http://www.pc-freak.net/blog/installing-lm-sensors-hardware-sensors-support-on-intelr-coretm-i7-cpu-on-debian-lenny-linux-to-track-your-system-hardware-temperature/ |
| 10:02.48 | Obreiro_GZ | Hi, anybody know about a recent text "distortion" before an update in debian wheezy?? |
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| 10:03.05 | Listar | and when i made modprobe coretemp appears |
| 10:03.15 | Listar | FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such device |
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| 10:03.19 | Listar | anyone can help? |
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| 10:04.09 | jelly-home | Listar: this typically means your CPU, if it's supposed to have coretemp features, is too new for that kernel |
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| 10:04.31 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. after i run the latest updates on wheezy, using the scroller anywhere delays a lot to move up or down. on both screens it behaves the same but with videos i don't have any problem; it plays them just fine. what could possibly be? |
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| 10:06.17 | Listar | jelly-home and how i solve that? |
| 10:06.35 | Listar | when i finish sensors-detect appears insserv: warning: script 'K01lm_sensors' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 10:06.47 | Listar | insserv: warning: script 'K01lm_sensors' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 10:06.47 | jelly-home | Listar: try yet a newer kernel and hope it added support for your hardware |
| 10:07.44 | Listar | ok thanks |
| 10:07.47 | Listar | for the help |
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| 10:08.52 | Listar | go reboot and boot with 2.6 kernel |
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| 10:19.45 | Blackshirt | Good |
| 10:20.00 | ectospasm | is it, now? |
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| 10:39.50 | dizzylizzy | darn it all i'm this close from uninstalling gnome and using lightdm+fluxbox |
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| 10:40.14 | dizzylizzy | a startx/.xinit setup would still work on debian, right |
| 10:40.33 | nsadmin | probably |
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| 10:50.21 | ptrkmj | Is there any info about new point release posted on debian-announce or debian-news or some other mailing list? |
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| 10:52.34 | shhen | Hello, I tried to install debian, after the installation my computer can't start debian when I restart there is a Boot menu, somehow it tries to boot from network I already configured bios the boot from my hd |
| 10:53.04 | ompaul | ptrkmj: start here methinks http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 10:53.53 | ompaul | shhen: during the install is you did anything manually most likely you forgot to set the first partition as bootable |
| 10:54.12 | ompaul | shhen: however I have to run away for a couple of hours so I'm not going to be much use to you |
| 10:55.34 | shhen | ompaul: you are right I did it manually but dont know what i did wrong |
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| 10:56.25 | ptrkmj | dang, new point release just when i finished downloading 6.0.4 dvd iso. |
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| 10:57.55 | tremon | shhen: if your bios skips the hdd, then either it's trying to boot off the wrong hdd or there is no bootloader installed. Boot again from the install disc and select rescue mode, then install/reconfigure your boot loader (most likely grub) |
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| 11:02.40 | AndroidBeing | does anybody know anything about amanda and spaning backups across multiple virtual tapes? Is a holding disk required for this to work? |
| 11:05.09 | ptrkmj | are iso's for 6.0.5 available? |
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| 11:06.29 | nsadmin | ptrkmj, if not, get 6.0.4 netinstall, install only the base, dist-upgrade, then install more stuff |
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| 11:10.48 | shhen | tremon: do i need to set boot flag for / |
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| 11:12.36 | tremon | shhen: no, bootable flag is only used by MS' mbr, you only need it if you install $bootloader to a partition instead of the mbr of the disk |
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| 11:13.31 | shhen | tremon: ok thanks for your help do you recommend an extra partition for /boot |
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| 11:14.46 | tremon | it's not necessary if you use plain partitioning, only if you use md/lvm/encryption |
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| 11:15.44 | tremon | but I prefer to use a separate /boot anyway |
| 11:16.35 | shhen | I'll make one, I think 150MB are enough? |
| 11:17.47 | tremon | 150MB will store roughly 10 kernels |
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| 11:18.06 | compostelan | hello |
| 11:18.17 | Blackshirt | Tremon, why such that?was grub can boot from lvm,md or encrypted /boot partition'? |
| 11:18.28 | compostelan | I think I have brocken gcc |
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| 11:19.04 | nsadmin | how did you get gcc? |
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| 11:19.27 | compostelan | nsadmin, by apt |
| 11:19.37 | nsadmin | exact command please |
| 11:19.52 | nsadmin | all parts. exact text |
| 11:19.58 | compostelan | apt-get install gcc |
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| 11:20.32 | tremon | Blackshirt: it's a matter of complexity. Regardless of whether the authors did or not, why should you want grub to duplicate linux' md layer? |
| 11:20.42 | compostelan | and then I installed backports |
| 11:20.43 | nsadmin | you need more stuff, and you can get a minimal working compiler by installing build-essential |
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| 11:20.49 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 11:20.54 | Bartzy | I'm using mdadm and LVM |
| 11:21.11 | Bartzy | and the net installer setup asked me if I want to install grub on the MBR of the /dev/sda |
| 11:21.13 | Bartzy | I said yes |
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| 11:21.23 | Bartzy | but when I think of it, that means that if /dev/sda fails, I can't boot the machine. |
| 11:21.27 | compostelan | nsadmin, and libc6-dev is brocken too |
| 11:21.30 | Bartzy | What can be done to fix that ? |
| 11:21.39 | Bartzy | install grub on both HDDs ? Isn't that weird ? |
| 11:21.45 | Bartzy | grub doesn't take care of it itself ? |
| 11:21.51 | nsadmin | compostelan, what dist are you running |
| 11:22.08 | Blackshirt | Hello |
| 11:22.08 | Blackshirt | was grub can boot from md, lvm or encrypted separated boot partition? |
| 11:22.10 | Blackshirt | Like big trouble connection |
| 11:22.24 | compostelan | nsadmin, debian squeze |
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| 11:22.59 | nsadmin | compostelan, ok, I'm running that too, and libc is not broken for me |
| 11:24.07 | tremon | Bartzy: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc or dpkg-reconfigure grub-common will allow you to select where to install grub. If your /boot is on raid1, there is very little reason not to install grub to both disks |
| 11:24.17 | compostelan | nsadmin, I want to install libfreetype6-dev and it said I have broken libc dev |
| 11:24.52 | Bartzy | tremon: How can I install to both disks ? Just install on the /dev/md0 (md /boot device), or to manually install on both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ? |
| 11:24.56 | nsadmin | could it be you tried to install a different libc? |
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| 11:25.48 | nsadmin | , versions eglibc |
| 11:25.49 | judd | No package named 'eglibc' was found in i386. |
| 11:26.05 | compostelan | nsadmin, I dont know but synaptic say that is not updated |
| 11:26.18 | nsadmin | , versions libc6 |
| 11:26.19 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-32; wheezy: 2.13-32 |
| 11:26.35 | tremon | Bartzy: is md0 a span of two partitions or of the raw disks? |
| 11:27.03 | Bartzy | tremon: raid1 or two partitions |
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| 11:27.13 | nsadmin | compostelan, run this: dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version |
| 11:27.19 | Bartzy | tremon: For /boot. There is md1 which is for / . |
| 11:27.26 | tremon | Bartzy: then install to sda and sdb |
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| 11:27.47 | Bartzy | tremon: And when updates need to be done, for example new kernel - it will automatically be done to both Grubs ? |
| 11:28.08 | Bartzy | tremon: Or is it just the grub loader, and stuff like kernel updates are only happening in /boot anyway so it will be "visible" to both grubs ? |
| 11:28.09 | compostelan | nsadmin, Version: 2.11.3-3 |
| 11:28.32 | compostelan | nsadmin, if I update the system, it will delete a lot of packages... |
| 11:28.35 | nsadmin | that's the right one |
| 11:28.37 | tremon | Bartzy: the latter |
| 11:28.50 | Bartzy | tremon: Thanks! |
| 11:29.06 | shhen | tremon: It's my first installation i dont want to waste your time but is this ok what i did: http://img5.myimg.de/IMAG1165f8a9b.jpg ? |
| 11:29.25 | nsadmin | what's the name of the package that's broken? libc6-dev? |
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| 11:29.37 | Blackshirt | Was there a place to ask about debian kfreebsd? |
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| 11:29.55 | compostelan | I think is that and gcc |
| 11:31.15 | tremon | shhen: it will work fine, but I prefer to keep swap partitions near the beginning of the disk (faster access) |
| 11:31.18 | compostelan | nsadmin, I think I found the solution |
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| 11:32.17 | tremon | shhen: also, why 380GB unused? |
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| 11:32.45 | shhen | tremon: I will use the 380gb , so first swap then /boot then / then /home ? |
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| 11:33.17 | tremon | shhen: that's what I'd do, yes |
| 11:33.42 | compostelan | nsadmin: thanks, I solved id. It was beacause had sid repo |
| 11:33.57 | Blackshirt | Tremon' for performance factor, what partition layouts should be made firstly ? |
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| 11:34.39 | compostelan | nsadmin: can I ask you a last question? |
| 11:35.09 | Woet | compostelan: no, you have exceeded your limit of 1 ticket per month. please upgrade your debian support subscription or try again in june. |
| 11:35.17 | tremon | Blackshirt: stop asking me questions after I've answered them |
| 11:35.26 | nsadmin | ohh, bad! :) if you install binary sid packages, you may be on your way to sid (pr frankendebian) |
| 11:35.44 | shhen | tremon: the system asks me if i want to make the partition at the first or the last position of the storage. So i make the first partition swap and if I choose first of the next partition is it before the swap partition or after..? |
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| 11:36.12 | frikinz_ | Anyone knows a bit about bandwidth limitation? I'd like to limit upload bandwidth of my ssh server for clients outside the lan. |
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| 11:36.19 | tremon | shhen: iirc, it asks "beginning or end of free space" |
| 11:36.20 | compostelan | nsadmin luckly i dont update the system xD |
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| 11:36.41 | nsadmin | yes, make sure you run aptitude update |
| 11:37.14 | tremon | frikinz_: man 8 tc |
| 11:37.14 | compostelan | the other question i have is about xine. If I update the system, it will delete it. There is a way to get out of update packages? |
| 11:37.15 | Blackshirt | Tremon, okey,thanks |
| 11:37.41 | nsadmin | try vlc or audacious |
| 11:37.49 | nsadmin | or mplayer |
| 11:38.05 | nsadmin | , versions xine |
| 11:38.06 | judd | No package named 'xine' was found in i386. |
| 11:38.18 | frikinz_ | tremon: yes, I was reading about this. Just saw I can make filters based on IP addresses |
| 11:38.52 | jelly-home | ,versions xine-ui |
| 11:38.53 | judd | Package: xine-ui on i386 -- lenny: 0.99.5+cvs20070914-2.1~lenny2; squeeze: 0.99.6-1; sid: 0.99.7~hg20120125-1; wheezy: 0.99.7~hg20120125-1 |
| 11:38.56 | nsadmin | not sure. what's the update doing right now? |
| 11:39.05 | jelly-home | nsadmin, compostelan: that one? |
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| 11:39.20 | nsadmin | jelly-home, thanks |
| 11:39.24 | compostelan | one moment, I will paste on pastebin |
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| 11:40.48 | tremon | frikinz_: with a bit of work, you can make filters based on anything that is supported by iptables, by using the iptables MARK target and tc's filter handle |
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| 11:42.11 | compostelan | http://pastebin.com/JV8N1gqB |
| 11:42.37 | frikinz_ | tremon: yes. I read this but never used it. I actually have a NAS that I want to share with friends. Not a big upload thought.. 1MBit/s .. so if they all come at the same time, I can say bye bye to my connection :) |
| 11:42.38 | nsadmin | yuck... pastebin.com... |
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| 11:43.30 | nsadmin | these are what, the packages it will remove? |
| 11:43.37 | frikinz_ | tremon: but I still want to have full bandwidth in my lan. |
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| 11:44.31 | compostelan | it will delete libxine1, libxine-ffmpeg,xine-ui,libxine1-x,libxine1-misc-plugins |
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| 11:44.56 | nsadmin | did you run aptitude update? |
| 11:45.18 | compostelan | no, I am afraid that it will delete if I do that |
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| 11:45.42 | nsadmin | it won't install or remove anything |
| 11:45.55 | nsadmin | up-date- not up-grade- |
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| 11:46.06 | wilthril_ | hi |
| 11:46.16 | compostelan | yes, i did by apt-get |
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| 11:46.45 | jelly-home | compostelan: please pastebin the exact command you ran and its whole output, not just that |
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| 11:47.28 | nsadmin | jelly-home, would you care to take over? I'm about to die till morning... |
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| 11:48.28 | compostelan | jelly-home : http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/previo/thump_7692078pantallazo1.png . thanks for helping me |
| 11:48.54 | jelly-home | compostelan: I can't see a thing there, it looks like a thumbnail. |
| 11:48.59 | compostelan | http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagen-pantallazo1-7692078.html |
| 11:49.41 | compostelan | if you dont undertand something tell me, because is on spanish |
| 11:49.56 | jelly-home | is that synaptic? |
| 11:50.04 | compostelan | yes |
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| 11:50.23 | jelly-home | compostelan: which debian release is this? |
| 11:50.35 | compostelan | squeze + backports |
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| 11:50.59 | jelly-home | compostelan: the simplest thing to do is let it do what it wants, and install xine-ui back afterwards |
| 11:51.37 | jelly-home | I'm not using synaptic, don't know how to coerce it not to remove a package at upgrades |
| 11:51.48 | compostelan | I tried before, but then I couldnt. I had to downgrade it |
| 11:52.42 | jelly-home | compostelan: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy xine-ui libxine1 libxine1-bin libc6" |
| 11:52.48 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 11:52.48 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
| 11:53.16 | jelly-home | compostelan: so, prepend LC_ALL=C to any commands |
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| 11:54.51 | compostelan | jelly-home : http://pastebin.com/0s4LBPbQ |
| 11:55.09 | compostelan | soory I pasted the bad one |
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| 11:55.14 | compostelan | *sorry |
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| 11:56.23 | compostelan | it dont let me to put on english |
| 11:56.45 | Hounddog | good morning... am having a problem with a package... am not able to even remove it anymore ... http://pastie.org/3904571 |
| 11:57.01 | jelly-home | compostelan: just type in "LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy xine-ui libxine1 libxine1-bin libc6" |
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| 11:57.43 | compostelan | dont work too |
| 11:58.02 | Hounddog | tried running apt-upgrade -f, apt-get install - f, dpkg -P oracle-java7-installer, and purge from apt-get |
| 11:58.15 | jelly-home | compostelan: in any case, you have http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing enabled, that won't work well for squeeze. |
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| 11:58.34 | compostelan | I need to disable it? |
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| 11:59.03 | shhen | tremon: should i install the GRUB-Bootloader in the master boot record? I guess yes because its my only operating system |
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| 11:59.10 | jelly-home | compostelan: ideally, yes |
| 11:59.20 | jelly-home | compostelan: redo apt-get update after that |
| 11:59.28 | compostelan | ok, thanks |
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| 12:00.10 | jelly-home | Hounddog: which debian release is this? I don't see any oracle-java7-installer package in Debian repos. |
| 12:00.32 | jelly-home | ,versions oracle-java7-installer --arch amd64 |
| 12:00.33 | judd | No package named 'oracle-java7-installer' was found in amd64. |
| 12:00.51 | Hounddog | this is actually ubuntu and thought maybee there was some hint on fixing the dpkg but i think i found something on google |
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| 12:01.12 | jelly-home | Hounddog: Ask ubuntu then, it's not a Debian issue |
| 12:01.21 | Hounddog | i asked ;) |
| 12:01.24 | DaffyDuck_ | If I remove an apt source, is there a way to remove all installed packages from this source? |
| 12:01.50 | Hounddog | but you know... i assumed that people might be able to help with apt and dpkg as they are in both systems ;) |
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| 12:02.08 | compostelan | jelly-home: now is fine, thanks |
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| 12:02.42 | jelly-home | Hounddog: they might, but this is channel is for Debian users. It would get overwhelmed by Ubuntu questions is those were allowed. |
| 12:02.53 | compostelan | ahh, and do you know what package I need to get thumbnails from videos? |
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| 12:03.26 | guardian1 | hi |
| 12:03.33 | jelly-home | Hounddog: in addition, ubuntu makes changes in their dpkg and apt that may be relevant at times |
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| 12:05.12 | compostelan | jelly-home, do you know what package I need to get thumbnails from videos? |
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| 12:05.31 | jelly-home | compostelan: not off the top of my head, sorry. mplayer can output frames as jpeg or png fwiw. |
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| 12:06.22 | compostelan | in synaptic said that mplater thumbnails is for kde |
| 12:07.04 | jelly-home | compostelan: what? |
| 12:07.30 | jelly-home | compostelan: mplayer has no dependency on KDE |
| 12:07.45 | compostelan | I found mplayerthumbs, but is for kde |
| 12:07.54 | robin_debspace | Hi all! Just a quick question… I'd like to install Debian Wheezy on my laptop and found some image files on cdimage.debian.org. However, I can only find single CD/DVD images in the ISO folders, but no netinst CD images. If I just go get CD1, will that also allow me to pull in all the remaining components using a mirror during installation, or do I have to install the basic system and then use tasksel once it's up and running? |
| 12:08.34 | jelly-home | compostelan: it's still an X app, isn't it |
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| 12:09.38 | compostelan | jelly-home : yes mplayer is still for x, but the thumbnailer I found in synaptic is for kde :S |
| 12:10.12 | jelly-home | compostelan: so what if it's for KDE? It can probably still be started with any other DE or WM. |
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| 12:10.40 | jelly-home | compostelan: if you're not comfortable scripting up a solution with mplayer and an image resizer (say, convert from imagemagick), it being a KDE app shouldn't stop you from running it |
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| 12:11.24 | robin_debspace | Oh… Never mind my previous question, I found the netinst installer after all :-) |
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| 12:12.28 | compostelan | jelly-home : what do you mean? |
| 12:12.54 | jelly-home | compostelan: 1) try mplayerthumbs |
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| 12:13.37 | compostelan | ok |
| 12:13.49 | jelly-home | compostelan: 2) if that fails, use two different tools and combine them. mplayer to grab frames from your videos, and something else to resize them |
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| 12:14.25 | jelly-home | (which is probably what that mplayerthumbs thing does anyway) |
| 12:14.52 | compostelan | the bad of that is that it will install kde stuff |
| 12:15.26 | afidegnum | hello, pls i want to remove anything starting from |...... how do I fix that in regex? |
| 12:16.07 | compostelan | jelly-home : I will try it, thanks for all |
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| 12:16.11 | compostelan | goodbye |
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| 12:17.30 | jelly-home | afidegnum: depending on the regex variant used, you might have to escape | with an |
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| 12:17.41 | jelly-home | afidegnum: \ in front |
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| 12:21.16 | afidegnum | jelly-home I used that and it only removed the pipe out leaving the rest of the strings out |
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| 12:22.22 | jmd | How do I use the update-alternatives script? (yes I have read the man page). |
| 12:22.52 | jelly-home | afidegnum: which tool are you using and which regex variant? |
| 12:23.03 | jelly-home | afidegnum: can you show the actual command? |
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| 12:41.35 | raptor67782 | question. how to play a sound wav with aplay onto card:1 and using ALSA (mix)? |
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| 12:51.45 | nkuttler | raptor67782: in general or only once? |
| 12:52.01 | nkuttler | raptor67782: btw, just man aplay |
| 12:52.01 | raptor67782 | only once |
| 12:52.38 | raptor67782 | nkuttler : did it a lot (man aplay) and google too |
| 12:52.59 | nkuttler | raptor67782: -l or -L and -D |
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| 12:53.32 | rootant | hai, can debian 6 run grub from an ext4 partition? |
| 12:54.08 | raptor67782 | -D hw and mix? |
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| 13:01.13 | lxsameer | does debian provided postfix supports postgresql ? |
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| 13:09.58 | themill | lxsameer: did you try "apt-cache search postfix postgresql"? |
| 13:10.52 | lxsameer | themill: as i know postfix should compile with postgres support |
| 13:11.22 | themill | that doesn't answer my question... |
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| 13:11.52 | lxsameer | themill: ok |
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| 13:26.41 | Catnaroek | Hello, I have a problem - strictly speaking not an error, just an annoyance. When I run "sudo aptitude install <whatever>", after successfully downloading the packages, I get two errors about "ldconfig" and "start-stop-daemon" not being available from my root's PATH. However, both programs are in "/sbin", which *is* available from my root's PATH. What could be the source of the problem? |
| 13:27.42 | Catnaroek | (By the way, I can successfully perform the installations if I directly use my root account, instead of indirectly using it via "sudo".) |
| 13:28.15 | blubberdiblub | probably either sudo taking the path from the normal user or setting the path wrong, however it is configured |
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| 13:28.51 | Catnaroek | It is not a good idea to add "/sbin" to my regular user's PATH, is it? |
| 13:29.02 | blubberdiblub | try sudo -i instead of just sudo |
| 13:29.16 | Catnaroek | Okay, thanks, let me see. |
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| 13:33.42 | Catnaroek | blubberdiblub: Thanks, it worked! |
| 13:34.17 | blubberdiblub | you can configure sudo to always set the path (and other environment variables), if that's what you want. then you wouldn't need -i |
| 13:35.51 | dawud | in order to use IOMMU, is it enough to have a proper CPU (intel i7 870) and recompile the kernel to activate it (CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU_DEFAULT_ON is not set), or the mobo has to support IOMMU as well (BIOS level)? |
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| 13:36.42 | dawud | the question is related to debian's libvirt's pci-passthrough capabilities |
| 13:36.43 | Catnaroek | blubberdiblub: How would I do that? |
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| 13:37.55 | blubberdiblub | Catnaroek, "man sudoers" and then visudo to edit the config file or even better (in newer versions) put a config file into /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 13:38.17 | Catnaroek | Okay, thanks! |
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| 13:38.44 | frikinz_ | Catnaroek: you probably modified /etc/sudoers. You need env_reset and secure_path properly set |
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| 13:39.53 | Catnaroek | frikinz_: The only change I ever made to /etc/sudoers was to add my regular user account to the sudoers list. |
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| 13:41.18 | blubberdiblub | diff -dU1 /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.dpkg-dist |
| 13:41.59 | frikinz_ | I see that sudoers in stable doesn't have Defaultssecure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 13:42.10 | frikinz_ | while unstable does. dunno |
| 13:42.14 | Catnaroek | Oh. |
| 13:42.41 | Catnaroek | I upgraded from stable to wheezy. |
| 13:42.44 | Catnaroek | But kept my old sudoers. |
| 13:43.12 | Catnaroek | I remember that decision - I explicitly made it so I would not have to edit my sudoers file once again. |
| 13:43.48 | blubberdiblub | the new way is to put your config snippets into /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 13:44.02 | frikinz_ | You can look at the maintainer config in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.3p2-1_i386.deb , data.tar.gz |
| 13:44.08 | blubberdiblub | so you will still get updates to the /etc/sudoers file when upgrading the package |
| 13:44.20 | Catnaroek | Yeah, now I see... |
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| 13:45.15 | Catnaroek | Is "catnaroek ALL = ( ALL : ALL ) ALL" all I would have to add in a new file in "/etc/sudoers.d"? |
| 13:45.28 | blubberdiblub | i think so |
| 13:45.39 | Catnaroek | Nice, thanks, blubberdiblub and frikinz_! |
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| 13:45.49 | frikinz_ | or add Catnaroek to sudo group |
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| 13:46.08 | Catnaroek | Oh, that would be even cleaner, nice idea! |
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| 13:49.27 | frikinz_ | Catnaroek: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall sudo ; adduser catnaroek sudo |
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| 13:51.19 | frikinz_ | ah maybe confnew actually or rm sudoers and then confmiss |
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| 13:52.24 | Catnaroek | I just used "cp /etc/sudoers.dpkg-dist /etc/sudoers" |
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| 13:52.46 | Catnaroek | Since /etc/sudoers was the only file I ever modified... |
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| 13:56.50 | blubberdiblub | that should be fine |
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| 13:58.50 | steampunkey | hey. is there a way to ignore all keys but the few? i'd like to write a script which makes xorg(?) ignore all key presses except those that i use for my player (left, right, p for pause etc.). then when i press a certain special key (eg. F10 or smth), it goes back to normal and exits |
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| 13:59.31 | steampunkey | alternatively, i'd like to map a bunch of keys to a key that doesn't really do anything, then unmap again |
| 13:59.45 | steampunkey | how's this done? |
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| 14:02.47 | frikinz_ | steampunkey: did you look at xmodmap? |
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| 14:03.58 | steampunkey | frikinz_: nope. are there wildcards? :-) |
| 14:05.01 | steampunkey | frikinz_: i guess i could generate keycodes from, what, 0-101? |
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| 14:06.50 | steampunkey | frikinz_: did you work with the prog? is there an easy rollback? i'm worried i might mess things up... |
| 14:07.01 | raptor67782 | hi how to apt-get retrieve all the debs for 7z + dependencies wihtout installing? |
| 14:07.16 | raptor67782 | (into /var/cache/apt...) |
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| 14:09.31 | frikinz_ | steampunkey: I worked a long time ago with this to map my multimedia keys but now all my keyboards are recognized. Dump your current xmodmap mappings and be sure to have a way to reinject it in xmodmap in case something goes wrong :) |
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| 14:11.08 | steampunkey | frikinz_: running with no arguments dumps it, correct? |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 14:12.50 | steampunkey | abrotman: haha. right. no, i mean i'm not sure those are it |
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| 14:13.05 | mparodi | Hello |
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| 14:13.50 | frikinz_ | raptor67782: apt-offline |
| 14:13.54 | steampunkey | abrotman: does print something, but i'm not sure those are everything i need to save to later restore. |
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| 14:14.22 | blubberdiblub | raptor67782, with the --download-only option to apt-get or aptitude |
| 14:14.28 | Raydiation | is it a big problem for packaging if you mix lgpl 2, 2.1 and 3.0 files |
| 14:14.30 | frikinz_ | steampunkey: xmodmap -pke. man xmodmap ;) |
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| 14:15.42 | steampunkey | frikinz_: oh, sorry. and thanks. |
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| 14:16.03 | mparodi | so what do I have to do if I want to compile and install an application but I want to upgrade it automatically when the version on my repository becomes newer? |
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| 14:17.09 | steampunkey | mparodi: write a script that does that, and have it run automatically by cron. not usually done. |
| 14:17.32 | mparodi | I won't do that |
| 14:17.38 | steampunkey | good. |
| 14:17.48 | mparodi | the question is.. can I install something manually and somehow upgrade it automatically? |
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| 14:18.26 | mparodi | now that I read the page, I think I won't have to compile it, there's a .deb |
| 14:18.36 | steampunkey | there might be a prog that does what the alluded script would do. but we usually use the package system for that. you know |
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| 14:19.01 | mparodi | yep, I know but the current version on the repository is old |
| 14:19.19 | themill | mparodi: exactly what package are we talking about, btw? |
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| 14:19.39 | mparodi | in this case pidgin, but I want to know how you do so in general |
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| 14:19.52 | steampunkey | mparodi: that's not worth your while |
| 14:21.01 | mparodi | maybe no but just to know if it's possible to force a version and mark it as "automatically" installed |
| 14:21.02 | steampunkey | mparodi: if you think it is, i'd suggest a testing or unstable or even experimental version (though many would cringe). or (worse?), pinning (/msg dpkg pinning) for some packages only. |
| 14:21.16 | Guest95536 | hello |
| 14:21.16 | themill | mparodi: the general procedure is "/msg dpkg ssb". That won't work for pidgin and nor will pinning. |
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| 14:21.52 | pbase | is there a default hardware profiler for debian? |
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| 14:22.21 | mparodi | steampunkey, I have checked the version I want (the next one that fixed a really big problem they had) is not available on experimental neither so pinning is not an option :P |
| 14:22.27 | steampunkey | themill: now i'm curious, why won't it work for pidgin? |
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| 14:23.15 | themill | ,checkbackport pidgin |
| 14:23.17 | judd | Backporting package pidgin in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.11.0-2), network-manager-dev (>= 0.9.0) [linux-any]. |
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| 14:25.51 | steampunkey | mparodi: ideally, pidgin would offer their repo for that. theoretically, you could run your own. practically, just not worth the trouble. fix the issue by installing manually, then uninstall, and use the pkg when it comes to your repo. |
| 14:26.22 | mparodi | yeah, it'll be the easiest way |
| 14:26.25 | mparodi | thanks |
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| 14:45.24 | dawud | in order to use IOMMU, is it enough to have a proper CPU (intel i7 870) and recompile the kernel to activate it (CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU_DEFAULT_ON is not set), or the mobo has to support IOMMU as well (BIOS level)? |
| 14:45.28 | dawud | the question is related to debian's libvirt's pci-passthrough capabilities |
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| 14:48.10 | oddball42 | hey anyone have any helpful thoughts about running a minimal debian server on vmware |
| 14:48.25 | dawud | to do what? |
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| 14:48.56 | dawud | public apache server? database server? ... |
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| 14:49.06 | oddball42 | well ssh scp |
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| 14:49.33 | oddball42 | i already got the openssh configured |
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| 14:49.44 | dawud | on what purpose? those are very minimal services |
| 14:49.44 | Woet | oddball42: then what is your question? |
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| 14:50.27 | oddball42 | i was seeing if there where any other hints like sys monitering etc. |
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| 14:50.50 | jelly-home | dawud: both cpu and motherboard |
| 14:51.05 | oddball42 | its all cool im bored |
| 14:51.31 | Astro777 | Hello, is there a way to install esx4 on a debian KVM machine ?, when i run the setup i have a purple screen in esx, after cpu detection |
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| 14:51.56 | jelly-home | Astro777: you want to run a hypervisor in a vm? |
| 14:52.28 | Astro777 | yes, it is working on vmware workstation, i can install multiple esx servers to check out options |
| 14:52.44 | Astro777 | but i would like to do the same on kvm |
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| 14:53.17 | dawud | jelly-home: I see, thanks. It looks like there are too many mobos (not server ones) out there supporting IOMMU, though |
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| 14:54.52 | Astro777 | like vmotion etc, even if i can't install guest in esx |
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| 14:57.58 | Xat` | I set $DISPLAY=:2 but when I type startx /usr/bin/fluxbox it always wants startx on my display 0 |
| 14:58.17 | dawud | jelly-home: I meant there are _not_ too many mobos that support IOMMU out of the box. Me keeps diggin' :| |
| 14:58.46 | Xat` | I have to startx /usr/bin/fluxbox -- :2 but I want it's automatic from DISPLAY variable |
| 14:59.03 | dawud | Xat`: you don't set $DISPLAY=:2; you set it DISPLAY=:2 |
| 14:59.22 | Xat` | dawud: yes sorry ;) |
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| 14:59.30 | Xat` | I set DISPLAY=:2 |
| 15:00.00 | xingu | dawud: actually BIOS is only half the story, the ICH needs to support it as well. |
| 15:00.04 | xingu | dawud: not all do. |
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| 15:00.22 | xingu | (or PCH on newer boards) |
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| 15:03.24 | Xat` | why can't I startx on my display :2 whereas I set my DISPLAY=:2 |
| 15:03.34 | Xat` | it always wants startx on :0 |
| 15:04.55 | mparodi | what about startx /usr/bin/fluxbox -- $DISPLAY? |
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| 15:05.33 | dawud | xingu: I'm reading some articles about it right now. in fact the problem seems to be both my chipset (h55) is suppossed to be vt-d aware, but acording to http://xen.1045712.n5.nabble.com/VT-d-not-working-td2588117.html i'm probably screwed |
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| 15:06.15 | Xat` | mparodi: it works but I don't want set the $DISPLAY variable |
| 15:06.23 | mparodi | I see |
| 15:06.26 | Xat` | in my command line |
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| 15:06.42 | mparodi | the problem is that by default it's :0, isn't it? |
| 15:06.46 | Xat` | yeah |
| 15:06.52 | mparodi | I mean, where did you change that so it's always :2? |
| 15:07.21 | xingu | dawud: http://ark.intel.com/products/42703/Intel-BD82H55-PCH <-- vt-d, "no" |
| 15:08.01 | dawud | xingu: oh, crap |
| 15:08.09 | Xat` | mparodi: I changed it from my tty2 |
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| 15:08.51 | dawud | xingu: I'd need to find some 1156 socket mobo with iommu support |
| 15:09.11 | dawud | xingu: don't know about such a thingy, don't you? : |
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| 15:10.06 | Xat` | mparodi: what do you means ? |
| 15:10.14 | Xat` | -s |
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| 15:11.52 | mparodi | you'll have to find how or where DISPLAY is first defined, I don't know actually |
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| 15:12.40 | mparodi | ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES |
| 15:12.40 | mparodi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.46 | mparodi | man startx ^ |
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| 15:13.02 | xingu | dawud: looking for a way to get a list of products which do actually support it in the ich/pch |
| 15:13.24 | xingu | dawud: I've been banging in very similar looking nails with my forehead for a couple of days myself |
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| 15:14.36 | mparodi | Xat`, "Note that this gets set, not read." |
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| 15:16.01 | dawud | xingu: it seems I'll have to start with a list of mobos, and check the chipset one by one... |
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| 15:16.56 | xingu | dawud: x79 supports it |
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| 15:17.25 | xingu | dawud: in general I'm slowly forming the impression that xNN will, xeon chipsets will, and probably everything else won't |
| 15:18.41 | xingu | dawud: x58 does as well, bios depending. |
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| 15:22.52 | xingu | dawud: some Q-series seem to also - qm57 for example. |
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| 15:23.30 | xingu | dawud: qm67 etc. |
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| 15:26.42 | dawud | xingu: thanks. Just need to find one with a 1156 socket and I'll be closer :) |
| 15:28.10 | xingu | dawud: q57? |
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| 15:28.35 | xingu | dawud: http://ark.intel.com/products/42706/Intel-BD82Q57-PCH |
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| 15:34.12 | dawud | xingu: uh, no not a q-series, those seem to be, what, uATX or less. I'll be needing ATX format. I'll check those x79/x58 see if I find sth |
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| 15:40.08 | xingu | dawud: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-030922.htm |
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| 15:40.37 | xingu | dawud: note how short the bottom list (vt-d) is vs the top (vt-x) |
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| 15:41.30 | WeissLehrer | Hello, does anyone uses trasmission-daemon? I removed it from rc.(something) and i need to make it start on startup again |
| 15:41.41 | sakal | what happens with deb mirros? A last few days I get `Hash Sum mismatch` error for some branches in repository |
| 15:42.10 | asarch | Getting this week Testing build (debian-wheezy-DI-a1-i386-DVD-1.jigdo) I realize of "D1" and "a1", what do they mean? |
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| 15:44.12 | jelly-home | DI (not "D1") is probably just shorthand for "debian-installer", asarch |
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| 15:45.19 | asarch | Thank you jelly-home |
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| 15:48.17 | infinite | Hello Folks! |
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| 15:49.46 | infinite | I discovered spotflux a free VPN formerly RaptorVPN for Windows and Mac; anything like that for Debian for free? |
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| 15:51.15 | dawud | WeissLehrer: apt-get source it and get the startup script |
| 15:51.59 | infinite | Hi Guys: Anything like Spotflux VPN for Linux? |
| 15:52.10 | ChrisH | initself: why not using openvpn which is avaliable for all OS (but Android <4.0) I know. |
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| 15:52.12 | KA_puccino | Bonjour à tous, je voudrais pouvoir écrire dans le répertoire /var/www avec un user autre que root. J'ai mis comme groupe propriétaire www-data et j'ai ajouter mon user dans ce groupe, et pourtant je ne peux toujours pas écrire dans le répertoire, comment puis-je faire s'il vous plait ? |
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| 15:52.36 | dawud | !debian-fr |
| 15:52.36 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
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| 15:56.18 | infinite | ChrisH, I tried setting up openvpn; I could not get it working; is it free; Spotflux is based on openvpn |
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| 15:58.32 | pjc_ | hi |
| 15:58.44 | valdyn | spotflux is not really a "vpn" |
| 15:58.59 | valdyn | more like a "vn" |
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| 16:01.17 | infinite | I just want encrypted internet traffic |
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| 16:01.28 | valdyn | infinite: thats not what it does |
| 16:01.37 | valdyn | infinite: it does *not* anonymize you |
| 16:01.39 | infinite | Ofcourse I can use HTTPS everywhere. |
| 16:01.51 | dawud | infinite: lol |
| 16:02.45 | infinite | I dont want anonymity; I dont want anything I browser to be visiblel I dont care about IP address |
| 16:02.48 | Astro777 | he probably means anonymize his surfing from hotspot trough his vpn connection? |
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| 16:02.57 | valdyn | infinite: thats not what it does |
| 16:03.18 | Astro777 | by anonymize i means protect from sniffing |
| 16:03.22 | dawud | infinite: your ISP can see you |
| 16:03.48 | valdyn | Astro777: this protects from local sniffing, yes |
| 16:03.56 | infinite | But if it s encrypted; they cannot; I read that SSL is tough to break |
| 16:03.59 | Astro777 | yes this is maybe what he means ? |
| 16:04.08 | valdyn | Astro777: maybe |
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| 16:04.46 | dawud | infinite: your ISP is who actually routes you to the places go visit |
| 16:04.56 | dawud | infinite: your ISP is who actually routes you to the places you visit |
| 16:05.14 | valdyn | dawud: in that case its actually spotflux who routes to most places, not his direct isp |
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| 16:05.26 | infinite | I am usiing openDNS for DNS query; On Debian I have dnsmasq and also installed dnscrypt |
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| 16:05.54 | valdyn | infinite: you didnt tell us what you want to achieve |
| 16:06.14 | dawud | valdyn: the op said "I dont want anonymity" |
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| 16:06.25 | valdyn | dawud: so? |
| 16:07.03 | infinite | I dont want ISP or anyone else who can sniff at ISP to know what I browse; Not that I am doing anything illegal; I just dont want people to know my browsing jistory, contents etc |
| 16:07.05 | dawud | valdyn: unless you use tor ot the like, you'll be traceable, right? |
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| 16:07.21 | dawud | s/ot/or |
| 16:07.24 | valdyn | dawud: no, not really |
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| 16:07.50 | infinite | I dont mind my IP being traced to my account; not the content and links of my browsing |
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| 16:07.52 | valdyn | dawud: you need one or many 3rd parties to anonymize you. Tor is just one method of doing that |
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| 16:08.10 | dawud | valdyn: tor was an example |
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| 16:08.17 | valdyn | dawud: alright then |
| 16:08.26 | infinite | TOR i slow |
| 16:08.36 | waylee | hello. is there a way to pass a paramter in loginshell in /etc/passwd? like ..:myshell -a |
| 16:08.41 | valdyn | infinite: spotflux *will* sniff your traffic |
| 16:08.49 | valdyn | infinite: you sure thats what you want? |
| 16:09.05 | valdyn | infinite: your isp *might* but spotflux *will* |
| 16:09.11 | infinite | valdyn, Spotflux servers sniff my traffic? |
| 16:09.21 | valdyn | infinite: sure |
| 16:09.26 | solofight | People, why would my os-prober not detect the windows xp that i have in sda7 ? |
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| 16:09.32 | solofight | i dont even see the grub menu |
| 16:09.35 | valdyn | infinite: maybe you should read what they do, this is not hidden |
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| 16:09.46 | solofight | here is a screen shot of my fdisk -l http://www.freeimagehosting.net/bex77 |
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| 16:10.03 | infinite | I though the idea behind an VPN. was all was encrypted. Is there a free VPN? I actually dont understand what OpenVPN does |
| 16:10.17 | valdyn | infinite: spotflux is not a vpn |
| 16:10.48 | valdyn | ( and i didnt yet see the part where they claim to provide a vpn, actually ) |
| 16:11.14 | valdyn | infinite: youre not going to get a fast reliable vpn for free |
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| 16:11.30 | infinite | How can I route my Internet traffic through SSL, by default without using extensions and browsers? |
| 16:11.40 | valdyn | infinite: you dont understand what youre asking |
| 16:11.53 | valdyn | infinite: thats one minor problem |
| 16:12.44 | valdyn | infinite: and you didnt really say what you need yet, I still think you want to browse the web anonymously |
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| 16:12.51 | Lns | infinite, you have to have a trusted remote endpoint if you want to use a VPN to secure your traffic |
| 16:13.06 | infinite | All I want is Encrypted access to all web content, so nobody who sniffs knows what I am browsing, actually I dont do Porn now. |
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| 16:13.25 | Astro777 | you can setup a vpn server @home wirelessly connected to a neighbor, then connect from your internet connection to your vpn server on located on an IP that is not yours :D |
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| 16:14.29 | Lns | infinite, any non-encrypted website will always transmit unencrypted to a certain point (your anonymizer/vpn endpoint) so you have to make sure you trust whatever that endpoint is otherwise it's worthless |
| 16:15.00 | infinite | How about installing VPN server on my present Debian box; then usinig that from the same box to access internet with encryption? |
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| 16:15.26 | Lns | infinite, read my last comment again |
| 16:15.35 | Lns | you can't force encryption on a website that doesn't use it |
| 16:15.36 | Astro777 | this will encrypt your local connection not the internet |
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| 16:16.01 | infinite | Lns, So you are saying it is a two way street; I have to handshake , exchange keys/password to encrypt, not a oneway street. |
| 16:16.03 | Lns | your best bet is to use something like 'https-everywhere' to force SOME websites to transmit encrypted |
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| 16:16.38 | Lns | infinite, hmm. |
| 16:16.58 | infinite | OK Then I rest my case, I will continue to use Firefox, I do have it ina sandbox |
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| 16:17.49 | Lns | I think valdyn might be right - you need to do a bit more research on the topic. there are tools like Tor, https-everywhere, and freenet (are they around still?) to help anonymize and encrypt your traffic so it's hard to trace to your IP. But you can't just set up a VPN and call it "secure" because that's not really how it works in the way you're asking. |
| 16:18.00 | solofight | People, why would my os-prober not detect the windows xp that i have in sda7 ? |
| 16:18.03 | solofight | i dont even see the grub menu |
| 16:18.05 | solofight | here is a screen shot of my fdisk -l http://www.freeimagehosting.net/bex77 |
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| 16:18.46 | infinite | Thanks all of you, What would get compromised if Firefox is in a sandbox? |
| 16:19.11 | valdyn | infinite: the sandbox |
| 16:19.18 | Lns | infinite, and your ip address? |
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| 16:19.23 | Lns | you're talking about a totally different thing now |
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| 16:19.40 | valdyn | hmm, actually, the sand, not really the box |
| 16:19.48 | Lns | lol |
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| 16:20.13 | Lns | gets a shovel |
| 16:20.19 | afuentes | Im learning more about packaging, and i noticed there is not a check about the chksum of debian mirror... how do i know the mirror did not tamper the packages? |
| 16:20.23 | afuentes | am i missing something? |
| 16:21.21 | valdyn | afuentes: every package has a checksum |
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| 16:21.31 | infinite | I am using sandfox, I know the status that it is working, but no way of testing what it is actually doing? |
| 16:21.35 | CrazyGir | is there any utility that can reassemble files and directory structure split up in a fs /lost+found ? |
| 16:21.54 | afuentes | valdyn, but that checksum is downloaded from the mirror too :/ |
| 16:21.58 | valdyn | CrazyGir: that is not possible |
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| 16:22.25 | valdyn | afuentes: the debian certificate is involved there at some point |
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| 16:22.37 | CrazyGir | valdyn: so I feared |
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| 16:22.47 | valdyn | afuentes: i think to check the Packages file, which contains the checksums |
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| 16:23.35 | valdyn | afuentes: you need to have a trusted source for the *first* package containing those keys / certs, that is all |
| 16:23.41 | dawud | xingu: no joy in Intel, every IOMMU + 1156 socket mobo is uATX = few pci, and therefore pci-passthrough :( i'm checking asus now |
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| 16:25.17 | afuentes | valdyn, so those package files are hardcoded in debian pointing to debian.org? may i find where are those located? |
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| 16:25.43 | afuentes | they cerntanly are not in sources.list |
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| 16:28.24 | infinite | Alright all; Thanks much for your answers to my queries; |
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| 16:30.01 | valdyn | afuentes: "apt-get update" downloads Packages files |
| 16:30.35 | valdyn | afuentes: the location is hardcoded in sources.list |
| 16:31.32 | afuentes | hardcoded in sources.list? :s thats not very hardcoded... in sources.list i only have mirror urls |
| 16:31.48 | valdyn | afuentes: so? |
| 16:32.02 | valdyn | afuentes: what do you think "mirror urls" point to? |
| 16:32.10 | valdyn | afuentes: hint: Packages files |
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| 16:33.37 | valdyn | afuentes: but thats not really relevant to you issue at hand: when you install debian from a trusted source you alraedy have the keys and certs required to check any untrusted Packages file |
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| 16:34.52 | afuentes | so? it get the packages files from apt update from a mirror :/ |
| 16:35.05 | afuentes | should i trust everymirror out there? |
| 16:35.09 | afuentes | that debian provides? |
| 16:35.17 | afuentes | thats a lot of trust |
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| 16:35.21 | valdyn | afuentes: geez |
| 16:35.32 | valdyn | afuentes: you install debian *once* from a trusted source |
| 16:35.56 | afuentes | and then i choose a mirror afterwards from the oficial list |
| 16:35.58 | valdyn | afuentes: every following update checks against keys / certs installed during your first install |
| 16:36.42 | valdyn | afuentes: youre not trusting those mirrors, apt-get already has the keys/certs to verify everything it needs to verify |
| 16:37.50 | afuentes | id like to dig a little deeper :s just to see what exactly these keys verify? my download from the mirror thru a trusted mirror? |
| 16:38.15 | valdyn | afuentes: the Packages file gets verified |
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| 16:38.37 | afuentes | against what? a hardcoded url pointing to d.o? |
| 16:38.56 | afuentes | thats what i would expect... but i cant find the confirmation |
| 16:39.06 | valdyn | afuentes: its signed, the digital signature is checked against a cert/key you already have |
| 16:39.35 | afuentes | oh, signatures... okay, so i have to look for a signature in the packages file :) |
| 16:39.44 | afuentes | thanks... for pointing me to the right direction |
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| 16:44.12 | robin_debspace | Hey guys… I'm sitting here trying to install Debian Wheezy on my Mac, but it just won't boot up, which is probably because of the boot loader, GRUB-PC. Is there any way to install Wheezy with GRUB-EFI? |
| 16:45.03 | valdyn | afuentes: I just figured that the signed file is the "InRelease" file, the system is the same though |
| 16:45.06 | Diopter | robin_debspace: What kind of Mac? |
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| 16:46.50 | robin_debspace | Mac Book Pro 13 inch… I've already installed and set up the rEFInd bootmanager, so it should be just about setting up Debian with the correct bootloader to get it up and running. |
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| 16:51.18 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Yes and no, depends. What 'version' is the laptop? Tells you in OSX, under "About my Mac", top left |
| 16:51.52 | robin_debspace | Diopter: I only just bought it recently, let me go check real quick... |
| 16:52.48 | Diopter | robin_debspace: If it was new, then it's probably 8,2 or 8,3 |
| 16:53.08 | Diopter | So..... you're in for a terrible experience trying to get all the hardware to work right in EFI mode :P |
| 16:53.21 | Diopter | The far easier solution is to boot it in BIOS emulation mode. |
| 16:53.28 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Are you wanting to dual-boot? To keep OSX? |
| 16:53.39 | Diopter | Because if you want to go pure Debian... that's Also vastly easier |
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| 16:54.05 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Awww noooooooo, that doesn't sound too great. Is it also like that when running the latest Testing built? |
| 16:54.21 | thewanderer1 | hmm, any ideas if libvirt + iscsi is workable in Squeeze, or Sid at least? |
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| 16:57.47 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Yes. It doesn't help you much. The issue is that Apple EFI != standard UEFI |
| 16:58.25 | Diopter | robin_debspace: The majore downside of using BIOS emulation mode in a 8,x Mac is that you won't be able to turn off the onboard ATI, so you'll get like 3-5hrs battery |
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| 17:01.37 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Wow… That is terrible for sure. It's a late 2011 model btw… And I don't want to jail Debian in a virtual machine as I need to do some tasks where I need all the resources, plus I always find key bindings in vms to be super annoying... |
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| 17:01.55 | ptrkmj | i get an i/o error when i try to read (dd) dvd+rw. does it mean it's a "bad" medium or just badly written? (error happens at a fixed byte offset) |
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| 17:02.55 | robin_debspace | Diopter: So… Any way I can go on about this and end up with a reasonable system, or is it just gonna be a waste of time? |
| 17:03.16 | arkadio | hi there, can I install debian using only the first CD? May I run X with it? |
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| 17:03.30 | Diopter | robin_debspace: There's a 1000-page forum thread or two on ubuntuforums.com talking about that very thing. I last checked 3-4 weeks ago. |
| 17:03.37 | born2troll | im away 1 day ind there is a new ssh clinent? was there a bug? |
| 17:03.41 | Diopter | robin_debspace: "that very thing" = EFI mode workage |
| 17:04.01 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Other than that, BIOS mode works great. If you want to dual-boot, you need to get past the hybrid MBR speedbump, then you're golden |
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| 17:05.49 | born2troll | someone know why there are so many updates? |
| 17:06.15 | afuentes | yeah, ok, everything makes sense for me now, thank you valdyn :) |
| 17:06.32 | somiaj | born2troll: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:06.34 | afuentes | inrelases are downloaded from mirrors, but they are signed |
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| 17:07.01 | born2troll | somiaj, stable... there were like 20 updates including a new ssh server |
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| 17:07.29 | born2troll | did the nsa trick me to a backdoor? :S |
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| 17:07.38 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Ah, OK! Thanks for pointing that out! Right now, I've got Debian installed on some free space on the HD that I created, and I've also installed the rEFInd bootloader, which is basically an updated fork of rEFIt. However, rEFInd doesn't detect the Linux partitions, probably because GRUB-PC is installed but I need GRUB-EFI instead or something like that… Can you maybe suggest a way how I could take that last step in order |
| 17:07.42 | somiaj | born2troll: there was a point release today |
| 17:07.48 | somiaj | born2troll: /msg dpkg 6.0.5 |
| 17:07.50 | somiaj | (well yesterday) |
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| 17:08.18 | born2troll | somiaj, any chance that a new nvidia driver hit the backports? |
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| 17:08.34 | somiaj | born2troll: its been in backports for a while as far as I know. |
| 17:08.41 | somiaj | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:08.42 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 295.40-1; sid/non-free: 295.49-1; experimental/non-free: 302.07-1 |
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| 17:09.25 | somiaj | oh by 'that new nvidia driver', it may or not make it into backports. The version in backports supports almost all nvidia cards so there may be no rush to make it a newer version |
| 17:09.58 | born2troll | somiaj, im speaking of nvidia-glx... there was a bug in my driver that forced me to use nvidia installer |
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| 17:10.08 | urlwolf | I have no virtual terminals. Running kde, nvidia proprietary drivers. Any idea how to start debugging? |
| 17:10.48 | somiaj | born2troll: they are all part of the nvidia-drivers-source package which includes that binary and others. I just look for the kernel-dkms version since nvidia-glx was renamed in wheezy/sid |
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| 17:11.09 | somiaj | born2troll: but the version in backports is 275.36 -- I don't know what the bug was that prvented you from using it. What card do you have? |
| 17:11.58 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Never used rEFInd, just rEFIt. However, when you're dual-booting with OSX, you'll need to 'fix' the partition table after adding your linux partitions, so the hybrid MBR in GPT is updated correctly |
| 17:11.58 | born2troll | somiaj, well all i know is that i couldnt play a certain game... it had to be 295 for that |
| 17:12.14 | born2troll | somiaj, no progress there but thx for checking for me =) |
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| 17:12.41 | Diopter | robin_debspace: rEFIt will happily boot GRUB-PC as much as GRUB-EFI, if it can find it |
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| 17:14.15 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Hmmm, that's interesting… Are you running rEFIt on OS X 10.7 Lion? Cause I tried that first, but all it would do is cause my system to hang during startup. |
| 17:14.45 | Diopter | robin_debspace: I successfully ran it on Lion, yes. On a late 2011 17" |
| 17:15.06 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Needed to go into /efi and run enable.sh or whatnot |
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| 17:18.05 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Hmmm, that's very interesting... |
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| 17:19.00 | robin_debspace | Diopter: The nice thing about rEFInd though is that it adds some more functions, but apparently it's not possible at all to boot BIOS bootloaders, or at least I don't know how to do that. |
| 17:20.02 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Are you set on dual-booting? |
| 17:20.20 | robin_debspace | Diopter: I think what I'll do is boot up a GRML live CD, use fdisk to get rid of the BIOS MBR that the Debian installer created, then chroot into the newly installed Debian and install grub-efi from there. |
| 17:20.33 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Yep, I am. |
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| 17:21.00 | Diopter | robin_debspace: You can certainly do that, but you'll probably want to rename it to be under /mounted/efi/partition/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI |
| 17:21.19 | Diopter | robin_debspace: Because otherwise you'll need to already Be in EFI mode to use the efibootmgr and add a boot entry |
| 17:21.29 | Diopter | Unless rEFInd works correctly |
| 17:21.48 | Diopter | (bootx64.efi will be read by the base Apple loader, can hold Option to get the list) |
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| 17:22.02 | robin_debspace | Ah, thanks for that! Yep, I'm gonna try that out later on tonight as I've got some other stuff to do right now, and hope I'll somehow be able to get it to work like that :-) |
| 17:22.12 | Diopter | Good luck! |
| 17:23.13 | robin_debspace | Diopter: Haha, thanks! I think I'll need lots of that to get this up and running, thanks so much for pointing me in the right direction! |
| 17:23.49 | Diopter | You bet |
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| 17:31.30 | quesada | not that I get a blank screen... It just doesn't leave X |
| 17:32.14 | quesada | maybe this is a grub problem |
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| 17:35.36 | twanny796 | just installed debian 30r6 from dvd, but I do not have the nic card working, please remind that program that installs software |
| 17:36.08 | gnarface | quesada: more detail please |
| 17:36.35 | gnarface | twanny796: uh... typo on versin?! |
| 17:36.41 | quesada | I have no virtual terminals. Could this be a grub problem? |
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| 17:36.59 | quesada | running the nvidia proprietary drivers, kde |
| 17:37.00 | twanny796 | I think I have an old version? |
| 17:37.15 | gnarface | twanny796: did you mean 3.0r6? |
| 17:37.25 | quesada | pressing ^!F1 does nothing |
| 17:37.35 | twanny796 | gnarface, prob |
| 17:37.37 | gnarface | quesada: try ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 17:37.50 | quesada | none of them work F1-F7 |
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| 17:38.33 | gnarface | twanny796: what year did you download it? we're on debian 6.0.x now |
| 17:38.59 | gnarface | quesada: well but X still works? you're not stuck at some sort of GDM login prompt right? |
| 17:39.04 | twanny796 | gnarface, ok, will download a fresh installation cd |
| 17:39.07 | quesada | running kde failsafe mode. X works |
| 17:39.17 | gnarface | twanny796: try the network install if you have a decent network connection |
| 17:39.33 | gnarface | twanny796: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst get one of these |
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| 17:40.19 | gnarface | quesada: and when you tried to get to the virtual terminals, you use ctrl+alt not just alt right? |
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| 17:40.30 | quesada | gnarface: right |
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| 17:41.21 | gnarface | quesada: i can't fathom what this could have to do with grub but i suppose anything is possible. its more likely to be a problem with your nvidia binary drivers or just plain user error (note that you can actually disable those virtual terminals on purpose) |
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| 17:41.43 | quesada | aha! |
| 17:41.49 | quesada | how would you disable them? |
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| 17:42.15 | quesada | they are launched...ps aux | grep tty shows them |
| 17:42.33 | gnarface | quesada: i've never tried it but i think the common way is to alter the /etc/inittab file ... if they're shown as running then that's unlikely the problem. |
| 17:42.40 | quesada | I suspect it's a shortcut issue |
| 17:42.51 | quesada | kwin stealing the shortcuts |
| 17:42.52 | gnarface | quesada: you think your window manager is blocking ctrl+alt? |
| 17:43.14 | quesada | but I dont see the shortcuts listed anywhere in system settings |
| 17:43.41 | gnarface | quebre: sometimes the super_L key (aka "windows key" or "menu key" sometimes existing on certain keyboards) if not bound to anything else, can be held down before alt, to counteract this behavior |
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| 17:43.55 | gnarface | quebre: just as a quick thing to try to get around it |
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| 17:44.34 | gnarface | quebre: you could also just kill X manually as root from the terminal... that might dump you out, or it might IO lock your system (depending on how far out to lunch your nvidia drivers have gone) |
| 17:44.58 | quesada | gnarface: thanks |
| 17:45.56 | gnarface | hopes he remembered to save his work first |
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| 17:49.17 | Flo-1 | Salut tlm :) |
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| 17:51.32 | Flo-1 | Bonsoir tlm :) |
| 17:52.03 | craigevil | !en |
| 17:52.03 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
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| 17:52.32 | ongolaBoy | Flo-1: tu peux aller sur #debianfr si tu veux parler en français ;) |
| 17:53.00 | Flo-1 | arf zut |
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| 17:53.11 | Flo-1 | trompé de topic je suis vraiment désolé |
| 17:53.19 | nkuttler | !fr |
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| 18:00.13 | thewanderer1 | is there a channel for discussing iSCSI matters? or, in particular, I'm interested in istgt... |
| 18:00.26 | cbmuser | when I add an architecture with dpkg --add-architecture <arch> where does this get added in the configuration files of apt/dpkg? |
| 18:00.33 | cbmuser | couldn't find it anywhere |
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| 18:00.49 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, the bot alis knows about channels |
| 18:01.04 | thewanderer1 | cbmuser: when in doubt, use strace -e open |
| 18:01.08 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: thanks |
| 18:01.39 | cbmuser | thewanderer1: ah, right |
| 18:01.40 | Kipje | Uhm, Hello everyone, May I ask for some help with Debian Wheezy and ATI drivers? |
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| 18:02.21 | cbmuser | thewanderer1: perfect, thanks |
| 18:02.22 | cbmuser | rename("/var/lib/dpkg/arch-new", "/var/lib/dpkg/arch") |
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| 18:02.31 | cbmuser | that's what I was looking for ;) |
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| 18:02.48 | nkuttler | !tell Kipje about ask |
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| 18:04.00 | thewanderer1 | okay, I'll ask here since I can not find any istgt channel. how to disable CHAP authentication? (i.e. I want to allow everyone to use the LUN) |
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| 18:04.12 | nsadmin | Kipje, yes but only so long as you don't ask to ask, that you face the east, claim you are sicco, talk to yourself in the mirror a lot and face the west! |
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| 18:05.07 | mirak | hi |
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| 18:05.38 | thewanderer1 | I can not find any documentation for istgt |
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| 18:05.52 | mirak | I wonder why gpt is new standart, while it would have make more sens to have something with functionalities like lvm provides |
| 18:06.16 | nsadmin | mirak, hi. welcome to debian support |
| 18:07.08 | nsadmin | lvm? you make a partition and pvcreate on it... done... |
| 18:07.21 | dvs | I thought gpt was a new partitioning scheme after the old BIOS format. |
| 18:07.35 | Kipje | I have a problem with my GPU Drivers, I have an Intergrated GPU and a dedicated one in my laptop and it picks the intergrated one by default which I don't want, now I installed fglrx-driver and I ran aticonfig --initial rebooted and It just gives me a blinking cursor. |
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| 18:07.47 | nsadmin | most bioses don't know about gpt |
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| 18:08.27 | dvs | Yeah, it's for those new fancy-schmancy EFI ones. |
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| 18:10.35 | mzeki | hey guys, i need some help for a triple-monitor setup. is there anyone else who might help me? |
| 18:10.45 | ompaul | mzeki: choose a network don't ask on both |
| 18:11.12 | mzeki | oops, okay. thanks for noticing |
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| 18:12.48 | nkuttler | Kipje: you should start by reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log , maybe blacklist the module you don't want |
| 18:13.32 | bitHipy | i have a quoting problem.. anyone see what's wrong? http://diffboard.com/snippets/371 |
| 18:13.35 | dvs | Kipje: Yeah, searching for "(EE)" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log will give you a hint about the problem. |
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| 18:15.24 | nsadmin | mzeki, if you're noticing that no one is responding, maybe it's because you're not providing the details of your situation... when people don't know exactly what you want, they don't even know whether they can help |
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| 18:18.49 | mirak | nsadmin, ok, but let's admit you want to have a multiboot with other os, like windows, then someday you want to resize, or move your stuffs over a larger disk. |
| 18:19.11 | mirak | nsadmin, with gpt you just can't do any dynamic stuffs like that |
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| 18:19.27 | mzeki | i am using triple monitor and recently installed debian6. i am using ati's proprietary drivers. the issue is, the all settings that i am configuring on catalyst center are turning back default after a reboot. any idea what i am missing? |
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| 18:20.08 | mirak | nsadmin, I am just saying that they could have done better, but they prefered play ball alone |
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| 18:20.24 | gnarface | mzeki: an xorg.conf maybe? |
| 18:20.54 | mirak | nsadmin, indivudually. Gpt just allowed to get over 2Tera bit limit from MBR, and that's it. They didn't even tried to do more than that |
| 18:20.58 | nsadmin | mirak, there's already lvm tho |
| 18:21.00 | dvs | I thought it was xorg.conf.d now |
| 18:21.21 | mirak | nsadmin, yes, but that's separate, and I guess it's not supported by windows |
| 18:21.46 | mirak | nsadmin, if you managed to run windows over lvm, i would be glad |
| 18:22.05 | mzeki | it's still xorg.conf i think? ./etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:22.09 | nsadmin | mirak, is windows important to you? |
| 18:22.14 | mirak | nsadmin, my point is just that we are still stuck with the same old problems |
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| 18:22.42 | mirak | nsadmin, yes, because there is flash that works correctly, and because there is games. |
| 18:23.00 | mirak | nsadmin, I am forced to use windows for a few stuffs |
| 18:23.37 | nsadmin | mirak, so build a raid device which runs linux and uses lvm, and use somethjing like esata to connect it |
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| 18:23.58 | mzeki | gnarface, i am not sure what exactly you mean by xorg.conf? yes it looks how i configured from catalyst center. and i think yes, it's turning back to it's default values but how this is happening and how can i fix this? |
| 18:23.58 | mirak | nsadmin, but well, I don't dual boot actually, I have two separated computers. But well, the question is still that gpt is just the mimum to go over 2Tera Bytes, and that's it. |
| 18:24.22 | mirak | nsadmin, i don't understand your suggestion |
| 18:25.06 | nsadmin | if you want lvm that works in windows, you choices are: write a driver, build a device |
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| 18:25.37 | gnarface | mzeki: sorry i don't know enough about the catalyst drivers. i've never seen this behavior you are describing before -- you sure nothing is overwriting your xorg.conf, and you are sure its valid, and you are sure there is nothing conflicting in xorg.conf.d? |
| 18:25.51 | mirak | nsadmin, what is build a device ? |
| 18:26.47 | mirak | nsadmin, i don't want lvm to works on windows, I want it to install on lvm right out of the box :o |
| 18:26.49 | mirak | :p |
| 18:27.17 | Ticho | alas, windows has its own "lvm" |
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| 18:27.29 | nsadmin | oh, sorry, ran out of time... turtle needs walking! |
| 18:27.35 | dvs | heh |
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| 18:28.15 | thewanderer1 | mirak: LVM can't be standard because it's too complex to implement in simplistic OSes like Windows, which would confuse the user, too :) |
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| 18:28.57 | mzeki | gnarface, might the default debian drivers be overwriting conf file after each reboot? do you think I can understand what is modifying that file after reboot? |
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| 18:36.37 | gnarface | mzeki: anything is possible but this is not behavior i've ever seen. how sure are you that something you installed with the catalyst drivers isn't doing it? |
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| 18:37.02 | gnarface | mzeki: also what changes, the whole file? or is it just one or two things? i mean... maybe the file contains 10 resolutions and the default just isn't the one you want? |
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| 18:37.36 | gnarface | mzeki: things like pressing "ctrl+alt+num_pad_plus" to change resolution aren't considered permanent changes so it would be normal to expect a reboot to reset them |
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| 18:38.13 | gnarface | mzeki: to answer your other question though, start by keeping a copy of a known working one, then when it changes, use diff to compare it to the current one |
| 18:38.27 | Raydiation | which channel is for debian packaging? |
| 18:38.45 | gnarface | mzeki: there are ways of telling which process changed the file, but the only one i know of that doesn't require prior configuration would also require you catching it in the act |
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| 18:40.28 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:41.07 | DexterF | is there an unrar that can use .rev files in debian? (or for linux at all) |
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| 18:42.40 | camelCase | hi there |
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| 18:43.16 | camelCase | just wondering if anyone can tell me the main differences between arch and debian |
| 18:43.21 | mithrop | mithrop |
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| 18:44.03 | DexterF | camelCase: well.. for one, arch uses a different package format, hence different package tools |
| 18:44.04 | mzeki | gnarface, you are right. i will compare both files after a reboot shortly. thank you. |
| 18:44.22 | pielgrzym | hi, the dep based system is really cool, but how do I list init scripts starting at boot?? insserv <script> will add to boot, insserv -r <script> will remove. how to list? |
| 18:44.34 | pielgrzym | dep based boot* |
| 18:44.45 | Raydiation | camelCase: theres a site on the arch linux wiki which compares it to other distros |
| 18:45.56 | DexterF | camelCase: plus, afaik arch has a lean towards cutting edge, has rolling releases I think while debian is geared towards stability, even if that means the code has aged already. |
| 18:46.02 | Raydiation | camelCase: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions |
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| 18:46.30 | DexterF | rar question solved, "unrar" actually can do it |
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| 18:46.54 | Raydiation | camelCase: i prefer arch on dekstop pcs and debian on servers |
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| 18:48.29 | pielgrzym | debian is way better as a server distro than arch due to security handling (easy security updates - a general problem in rolling distros, though arch doesn't address this at all, unlike gentoo). Stability (no cutting edge) means no surprises after system upgrade (like <someservice> doesn't start since the config format changed). |
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| 18:49.49 | Raydiation | also on a pc for work id prefer a stable distro |
| 18:50.12 | pielgrzym | I use arch on all my desktops/laptops though - since it's a lot simpler (the gears behind all stuff) and aimed at minimalism (most system config resides in one file, simplistic boot process, ultra simple package managing, no magic pinning, backports etc) |
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| 18:54.21 | pielgrzym | so, maybe someone knows how to list all services that run at startup in debian squeeze?? :) |
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| 18:55.54 | EagleScreen | pielgrzym: you can try looking in rcconf |
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| 18:56.40 | nkuttler | pielgrzym: or check the /etc/rc?.d/ dirs |
| 18:56.59 | pielgrzym | EagleScreen, nkuttler thanks! |
| 18:57.37 | EagleScreen | apt-get install rcconf; rcconf |
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| 18:58.25 | mzeki | guys, also do you have any suggestion for a browser? i was a firefox user on windows and i was using shortcuts of it(like ctrl+numbers for switching between tabs and and backspace for going back) i think i cannot change those from iceweasel configuration. i've also looked for another browsers, arora looks like what i am looking for but on the other hand, i couldn't like it as iceweasel. |
| 18:58.37 | pielgrzym | EagleScreen: very legible :) thanks :) |
| 18:59.23 | gnarface | mzeki: iceweasel more or less IS firefox, just with a even dumber logo and a few slightly more secure defaults. you sure that it won't do what you need? |
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| 18:59.49 | dvs | mzeki: iceweasel has it's own repo if you're not using the latest version. |
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| 19:01.05 | mzeki | gnarface, yes i actually noticed that but somehow i couldnt make those shortcuts like on firefox. dvs, does that mean i can achieve this by updating it? |
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| 19:01.20 | EagleScreen | mzeki: Chrome (or Chromium) is also a good browser; Opera is also a good browser, but warning, Opera is free as beer, but not free as freedom |
| 19:01.29 | nkuttler | mzeki: you can proabably set everything you like in about:config |
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| 19:02.18 | dvs | mzeki: If the feature you're looking for were introduced in a recent version of Firefox, then yes it would help. |
| 19:02.59 | gnarface | EagleScreen: *not* part of debian. |
| 19:03.25 | EagleScreen | they are browsers compatible with Debian |
| 19:03.42 | mzeki | EagleScreen, thanks but opera is not in a way i need either and i wouldn't like to use chrome(or it's little brother :) ) |
| 19:03.48 | gnarface | EagleScreen: yes, but they are also not supported here and also don't have the features he's asking for specifically |
| 19:03.50 | mzeki | nkuttler, i will have a look at that. thank you. |
| 19:04.00 | mzeki | dvs, will check that as well. thank you. |
| 19:04.40 | gnarface | EagleScreen: don't get me wrong they're both nice browsers in their own ways, its just inappropriate to promote them here |
| 19:04.51 | cassavuota | is it possible to write an iso to a remote cd burner? |
| 19:05.16 | gnarface | cassavuota: possible, yes. safely? no |
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| 19:05.54 | gnarface | cassavuota: if by "remote" you mean "somewhere else on the LAN" then the risks are probably not as bad |
| 19:06.49 | gnarface | cassavuota: also, if you don't know how to build an ssh tunnel or are unwilling to do sufficient research to learn, you probably should consider just copying to that machine first then burning it locally |
| 19:06.52 | cassavuota | i found a solution with rscsi. but that seems to be a lot of extra work so far |
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| 19:07.03 | mzeki | gnarface, one more thing i wanted to ask after seeing cassavuota : ). sorry to keep bothering. can i share an optical media on linux over network? |
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| 19:07.20 | valdyn | mzeki: you can share anything |
| 19:07.27 | gnarface | cassavuota: yea that's the primary issue - its gonna be a lot of extra work. this is only worth it if your remote burner is VERY remote (like thousands of miles away) |
| 19:08.05 | cassavuota | gnarface: or to just understand the concept, as in my case |
| 19:08.10 | gnarface | mzeki: linux network file shares don't distinguish between optical media and normal media, so, yes, in theory (just not without some extra work) |
| 19:08.32 | mzeki | valdyn, gnarface can that drive be used by a windows client as well? |
| 19:08.53 | valdyn | mzeki: theres a difference between sharing a media and sharing a drive |
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| 19:09.03 | gnarface | cassavuota: well the concept is you pipe the raw data over your choice of network tunnel using stdout and then burn it to the disk using a tool that accepts stdin - only risk is packet loss will coaster your disk |
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| 19:09.58 | gnarface | mzeki: yes but only natively if you use samba/cifs ... well... some versions of windows may allow nfs mounts but i'm not sure how that's managed or whether it was ever supported out side of one version of windows NT |
| 19:10.01 | valdyn | mzeki: most probably you can do what you want |
| 19:10.18 | gnarface | mzeki: plan on a long night though... |
| 19:11.51 | mzeki | gnarface, valdyn thanks guys! don't want to bother you anymore. i know you're going to kick my *** otherwise. : ) |
| 19:12.03 | dvs | !lart mzeki |
| 19:12.03 | dpkg | hits mzeki with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 19:12.10 | gnarface | mzeki: good luck... |
| 19:13.28 | cassavuota | gnarface: thanks. i'll be looking into that. seems interesting |
| 19:14.08 | gnarface | cassavuota: don't thank me yet... you'll need to learn some basic bash scripting to make any decent use of this |
| 19:14.31 | digdilem | windows has some free unixtools for download, which include a nfs client. has been useful to me in the past |
| 19:14.35 | gnarface | cassavuota: fifos/named pipes may help too in relation to that |
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| 19:15.07 | gnarface | digdilem: what nfs version is supported currently there? |
| 19:15.36 | digdilem | gnarface, unsure. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463212.aspx is what i was thinking of |
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| 19:15.55 | gnarface | remembers a day when windows even natively supported unix-style tcp printing though it was not common knowledge and probably has long since been amputated forcibly |
| 19:16.03 | digdilem | there is also at least one freeware alternative to microsoft's nfs client which may be more userfriendly |
| 19:16.20 | digdilem | ah, "NFS versions 2 and 3 support" |
| 19:16.38 | gnarface | eh, same as mac os x then |
| 19:16.42 | gnarface | predictably |
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| 19:19.51 | n-iCe | hello, Debian is asking me for a firmware .ucode or something like that |
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| 19:20.09 | n-iCe | in the installation progress must be for my wireless card I think, should I save it in the usb? |
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| 19:21.06 | dvs | n-iCe: What installation media are you using? |
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| 19:21.38 | n-iCe | dvs: usb |
| 19:22.02 | dvs | n-iCe: Yeah, you can create a /firmware subdirectory and put the firmware files in there. |
| 19:22.19 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:22.34 | n-iCe | thanks |
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| 19:22.36 | n-iCe | I'm going to install debian |
| 19:22.37 | n-iCe | bbl |
| 19:22.46 | rainfyre | n-iCe: good call :) |
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| 19:42.25 | Raydiation | where can i submit a debian package? |
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| 19:44.51 | gnarface | Raydiation: i think its a bit more complicated than that |
| 19:45.08 | gnarface | Raydiation: i think you have to find a mentor or a sponsor or something like that |
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| 19:45.20 | nkuttler | !tell Raydiation about mentors |
| 19:45.26 | Raydiation | gnarface: #debian-mentors is invite only |
| 19:45.44 | gnarface | Raydiation: read what nkuttler just had dpkg tell you |
| 19:46.00 | gnarface | Raydiation: also, probably that means its on OFTC |
| 19:46.50 | gnarface | Raydiation: (#debian-* channels on freenode are typically only invite-only to keep people from confusing them with the *real* one on OFTC) |
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| 19:52.04 | Raydiation | gnarface: oftc? |
| 19:52.14 | nkuttler | !oftc |
| 19:52.14 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 19:52.38 | gnarface | Raydiation: uh well i just checked the mentors info from dpkg and it says irc.debian.net but maybe those hostnames point to OFTC too |
| 19:53.00 | nkuttler | gnarface: should |
| 19:53.02 | Raydiation | never heard of it, ty |
| 19:53.54 | gnarface | Raydiation: someone needs to come up with a better way to make that clear when you join the freenode dupe channel |
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| 19:55.08 | mzeki | mhm. i am using an ati hd6850. should i use ati's drivers or default ones included with debian? or is there an alternative? |
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| 19:56.26 | hash | so i need to reburn my install disk with the non free firmware is there any issues i might have with that disk |
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| 19:56.58 | n-iCe | hi |
| 19:57.04 | n-iCe | I'm trying to install the xfce debian disk 64bits |
| 19:57.12 | n-iCe | but the instllation is warning me about kernels not found |
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| 19:57.17 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 19:57.35 | aguitel | n-iCe, you are in 64 bit system ? |
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| 19:57.41 | n-iCe | yes |
| 19:57.51 | aguitel | what system |
| 19:57.59 | n-iCe | uh? |
| 19:58.00 | n-iCe | Host 'nice-laptop', running Linux 3.2.0-24-generic - Cpu0: Intel 800 MHz Cpu1: Intel 800 MHz; Up: 2 min; Users: 0; Load: 0.85; Free: [Mem: 3011/3824 Mio] [Swap: 3962/3962 Mio] [/: 276473/300939 Mio]; Vpenis: 222.8 cm; |
| 19:58.53 | aguitel | type :uname -a |
| 19:58.55 | mzeki | n-iCe, are you sure that's an x64 processor? |
| 19:59.14 | n-iCe | yes |
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| 19:59.18 | n-iCe | im in a 64bits os right now |
| 19:59.34 | n-iCe | but im in ubuntu |
| 19:59.36 | n-iCe | I want debian |
| 19:59.43 | n-iCe | Linux nice-laptop 3.2.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 25 08:43:22 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:00.27 | aguitel | do with root:apt-get install xfce4 |
| 20:00.34 | n-iCe | where |
| 20:00.41 | aguitel | in terminal |
| 20:00.59 | n-iCe | what for |
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| 20:01.04 | n-iCe | I don't want Ubuntu |
| 20:01.07 | n-iCe | I am doing a clean install |
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| 20:01.17 | aguitel | this is debian man!!! |
| 20:01.37 | n-iCe | ... |
| 20:01.46 | n-iCe | Read again the conversation |
| 20:01.53 | n-iCe | anyway, will try something different |
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| 20:02.02 | amphi | aguitel: you mean the installer won't boot? |
| 20:02.37 | aguitel | what installer |
| 20:03.31 | aguitel | http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 20:03.40 | aguitel | read the wiki |
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| 20:10.52 | rainfyre | brightblade: how's squeeze today? |
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| 20:20.47 | hash | ok the install is going good any things i should know about differences between debian and ubuntu |
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| 20:21.33 | Diopter | hash: ... uh. All of them? Except maybe package management :P |
| 20:21.45 | ompaul | and those repos? |
| 20:21.52 | Diopter | hash: At least insofar as if we're talking about Gnome Shell vs Unity |
| 20:22.06 | peterrooney | even package management has noticeable differences |
| 20:22.27 | hash | diopter im not to worried about the gnome vs unity |
| 20:22.48 | Diopter | peterrooney: True enough |
| 20:22.56 | hash | im still a bit new to linux as a whole so i guess ill be getting more manuals |
| 20:23.00 | Diopter | hash: Ok. |
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| 20:23.44 | hash | i will admit i do like unity on ubuntu but thats because i dont know any other |
| 20:23.52 | hash | guis |
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| 20:25.04 | hash | damn my install time just tripled out of nowhere |
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| 20:26.56 | craigevil | !why debian |
| 20:26.57 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 20:27.31 | Diopter | That last one's pretty awesome. |
| 20:28.45 | craigevil | hash, download and /or install the new debian handbook |
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| 20:28.53 | syslq | Debian should clean it's repos |
| 20:28.59 | craigevil | !tell hash about debian-handbook |
| 20:29.04 | syslq | 95% of gui apps is shit |
| 20:29.35 | craigevil | sure now run along and go play with your buggy ubuntu install |
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| 20:29.47 | syslq | craigevil: ubuntu is complete crap |
| 20:30.00 | syslq | craigevil: I use windows7 wks like any normal person |
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| 20:30.21 | syslq | though debian makes kickass server |
| 20:31.00 | syslq | and usable desktop at least |
| 20:31.08 | nsadmin | syslq, hey then don't install them |
| 20:31.26 | syslq | nsadmin: meh it would be so much easier if they had some content quality control |
| 20:31.29 | hash | craigevil is that a free ebook |
| 20:31.36 | nsadmin | a truely usable desktop has been a huge problem for years |
| 20:31.50 | hash | craigevil or will i have to find one |
| 20:32.08 | nsadmin | syslq, if you don't like debian... |
| 20:32.20 | Diopter | Maybe not "user-friendly", but usable? |
| 20:32.39 | syslq | nsadmin: you know what's the biggest bullshit about open source community? You attitude right now |
| 20:32.43 | nsadmin | that's perfectly ok.... and, it's your machine... and, you choose. |
| 20:32.45 | Diopter | I enjoy the tremendous usability of my linux desktop |
| 20:32.50 | syslq | nsadmin: can't stand criticism |
| 20:33.05 | Diopter | syslq: ... "You have a choice" = can't stand criticism? |
| 20:33.11 | syslq | Blah |
| 20:33.22 | nsadmin | didn't expect that, did you? :P |
| 20:33.26 | craigevil | syslq, I havent ran windows since 2004 you couldnt pay me enough to even touch a system with windows installed |
| 20:33.30 | Diopter | syslq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong |
| 20:33.36 | syslq | I give up, I like debian on server let's leave it at that |
| 20:33.44 | hash | ah just got the pm cool thanks craigevil |
| 20:33.47 | Diopter | syslq: You are welcome to leave it at that. :) |
| 20:33.54 | syslq | Deal |
| 20:33.55 | nsadmin | syslq, agreed. |
| 20:34.01 | syslq | :) |
| 20:34.52 | nsadmin | and agreed with what you didn't say, which is the desktop could be better AND that it could be better if there were some guidelines |
| 20:35.24 | syslq | nsadmin: well I liked the debian desktop to be honest, I just disliked having crap in repos |
| 20:36.00 | syslq | I'm talking about gui apps to be exact, many of them are just severely broken |
| 20:36.03 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 20:36.03 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 20:41.23 | nsadmin | syslq, you could blog about that |
| 20:41.48 | nsadmin | and more directly, you could actually file bug reports |
| 20:42.52 | nsadmin | I'm curious, syslq, are you more concerned for yourself or for other users? |
| 20:44.37 | syslq | nsadmin: myself, and you're right |
| 20:45.07 | nsadmin | syslq, also, are you aware of packages.debian.org, as a site which allows you to see summaries of packages? |
| 20:45.48 | syslq | nsadmin: I never filed reports so ... I just reacted on the go and play with broken ubuntu comment. Ubuntu uses debian repos and I never said anything I'm advocating ubuntu. I like debian a lot as os and as project and I have way lower opinion on ubuntu (not that it maters). |
| 20:45.52 | syslq | nsadmin: yeah I know |
| 20:46.03 | syslq | btw, kudos for debian-handbook it seems nice |
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| 20:49.13 | hash | i love that its free and it looks very well put together i might donate towards it in the future |
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| 20:49.40 | syslq | I'll donate few eu, guy invested shitloads of time |
| 20:49.45 | syslq | and knowledge/experience... |
| 20:49.52 | hash | yes they did |
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| 20:50.03 | hash | but im poor right now |
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| 20:51.37 | nsadmin | syslq, that would be awesome... if you have some time, I'm sure people would like to hear about ideas on what the desktop should be like, especially as a whole |
| 20:51.45 | hash | ill definitely donate if it helps me reach my goal of turning my debian system into a web server and a proxy server |
| 20:51.51 | craigevil | wonders how ive managed to use debian/kde for 8 yrs when it is supposedly so broken , my desktop and laptop must be amazing to make them work |
| 20:52.24 | ompaul | craigevil: you and me both |
| 20:52.29 | nsadmin | craigevil, me too... and originally I just installed kde to see it |
| 20:53.04 | nsadmin | that was probably 4 or more years ago... |
| 20:53.31 | nsadmin | anyway. syslq, if I didn't say so before, welcome to debian support |
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| 20:53.41 | ompaul | I've been all over the place for the last few years, in 02 debian was nice and ran well, same today |
| 20:53.53 | ompaul | I'm offtopic I'll shut up now |
| 20:54.05 | syslq | nsadmin: it's not so much problem with debian per se, it's stable and gnome or kde are usable. I always "bitch" about repos :) |
| 20:54.08 | syslq | nsadmin: thanks |
| 20:54.42 | nsadmin | syslq, and you want a venue for that bitch/rant |
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| 20:55.40 | syslq | nsadmin: it's just something I need to do from time to time. |
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| 20:58.51 | nsadmin | syslq, I would request that when you do, remember you have choice |
| 20:59.30 | syslq | nsadmin: :), it's not really my problem anymore as I said I love linux where it rules, as server, and no gui apps there |
| 20:59.43 | syslq | but too bad, since it has potential |
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| 21:01.34 | nsadmin | it does have potential... I wonder what things would be like with a gui app that simulates and offers the expressiveness and power of say python, or a shell |
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| 21:02.05 | syslq | nsadmin: it would be fantastic :) |
| 21:02.36 | Diopter | nsadmin: That's why I use GUI apps that I can operate with only the keyboard. |
| 21:02.47 | Diopter | nsadmin: Or very intelligent terminal apps |
| 21:03.13 | syslq | nsadmin: also I don't think statistics are correct when it comes to linux desktop usage, it seems to me it's way higher. So if adobe would migrate their suite to it (should be easy since they support mac), well it would be worth considering (if repos are cleaned :) ) |
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| 21:03.49 | ompaul | syslq: have you a specific debian question? |
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| 21:04.21 | syslq | ompaul: nah I know what I need to know and I can read |
| 21:05.13 | hash | sweet its installed for the 3rd time |
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| 21:06.09 | hash | ok so when i first installed it i went with the lvm with encryption method and it wouldnt take my passphrase it just sat there after entering it anyreason y |
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| 21:07.02 | hash | and yes i know it doesnt echo it back when typed |
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| 21:09.42 | craigevil | had no problems when installed on my laptop using lvm with encryption, dos take forever for kde to load, but everything works |
| 21:09.47 | _N1x | hi guys , any suggestion abt spellcheck" autocorrector" on debian? |
| 21:10.49 | hash | hmm could it have been because it was a netst cd without the firmware and it didnt install something else then |
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| 21:11.13 | hash | and there was no gui on that install |
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| 21:13.49 | craigevil | hash, i only installed stable base no gui, then i upgraded to unstable and installed kde |
| 21:15.10 | hash | craigevil, well i downloaded the stable release |
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| 21:16.04 | hash | craigevil, idk it was weird it popped up said something real fast and asked for my passphrase i entered it and let it sit for about 5 min |
| 21:16.11 | hash | it did nothing |
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| 21:19.20 | craigevil | i dont get a popup, grub starts to load, then it asks for my pass, i enter it and kernel loads, i have no clue how it all works |
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| 21:20.12 | hash | hmmm i might have to try it again in the future |
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| 21:28.51 | thewanderer1 | hash: disable the "quiet" boot option, try again, see what it is |
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| 21:31.15 | hash | ive already reinstalled with regular hardd rive partitioning |
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| 21:32.19 | hash | thewanderer1 u mean verboose |
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| 21:41.26 | thewanderer1 | hash: I mean, default boot option is quiet (in GRUB) - disable that |
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| 21:43.31 | hash | thewanderer1 so just delete quiet under the boot options and boot like that right |
| 21:43.40 | thewanderer1 | hash: yes |
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| 21:44.30 | LameIdler | does a berkeley db transactional data store include all locking features of a berkeley db concurrent data store? |
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| 21:45.44 | llliii | I installed debian squeeze from the DVDs. Then I did a full upgrade. What I now see is that I can't boot. Grub is not showing anything. |
| 21:46.30 | hash | thewanderer1 yeah i was having issues when i first installed ubuntu troubles with my graphics card had to go in and remove quiet and changed the other half to verboose then log on and fix everything |
| 21:47.03 | hash | thewanderer1 so what should i be looking for with debian when i remove the quiet part |
| 21:47.21 | llliii | thewanderer1: hi |
| 21:47.56 | thewanderer1 | llliii: you did a full upgrade to *what*? |
| 21:48.20 | thewanderer1 | hash: look for anything that the kernel might write when you have typed in the passphrase |
| 21:48.59 | llliii | thewanderer1: i did a package upgrade |
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| 21:49.14 | hash | thewanderer1 so the quiet removes the no echo with the passphrase |
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| 21:49.29 | hash | removing* quiet |
| 21:49.31 | llliii | thewanderer1: apt-get stuff |
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| 21:52.05 | thewanderer1 | llliii: had you enabled testing or unstable before doing that? |
| 21:53.49 | llliii | thewanderer1: i didn't do anyting specifically, i don't know if it was enabled |
| 21:54.22 | thewanderer1 | llliii: define "grub is not showing anything" |
| 21:54.37 | thewanderer1 | hash: err, I'm not sure I got what you just said |
| 21:55.11 | thewanderer1 | you should never ever see the passphrase when typing it in |
| 21:55.28 | hash | i didnt think so |
| 21:56.18 | hash | im still new to linux i only know how to read instructionals to preform tasks |
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| 21:56.58 | llliii | thewanderer1: screenshot at http://static.inky.ws/image/1981/image.jpg |
| 21:59.52 | thewanderer1 | hash: are you running from a USB drive? |
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| 22:00.21 | thewanderer1 | llliii: looks like GRUB can't load the menu - try booting your system manually |
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| 22:01.18 | thewanderer1 | llliii: this could happen if you messed with the grub config file :P |
| 22:01.31 | hash | no i installed it on my pentium 4 |
| 22:01.46 | Diopter | llliii: If you boot with an installation disc and choose "rescue mode", then execute a shell in your root environment, you should be able to run "update-grub" to rebuild the grub.cfg |
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| 22:03.13 | thewanderer1 | hash: does anything appear when you have typed in the passphrase? |
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| 22:04.18 | hash | no |
| 22:04.45 | hash | i know its not echod but the problem wasnt that it just didnt do anything after i typed it and hit enter |
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| 22:05.25 | llliii | thewanderer1: i didn't do anything to it, would it have changed by itself ? All I did was once during boot I pressed e and gave a boot option, didn't save anything |
| 22:05.31 | hash | just sat there i rebooted it after about 5 min of waiting the said f it and reinstalled without encryption |
| 22:05.50 | thewanderer1 | llliii: it doesn't save boot options that you alter |
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| 22:08.37 | llliii | thewanderer1: then i didn't do nothing |
| 22:08.54 | llliii | thewanderer1: If I choose encrypted LVM option during installation. And later if I upgrade everything, will the decryption still work and can I boot properly ? |
| 22:09.21 | thewanderer1 | llliii: yes |
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| 22:09.32 | pk1001100011 | I want to: apt-get remove -f ca-certificates-java |
| 22:09.33 | pk1001100011 | And I get: default-jre : Depends: default-jre-headless (= 1:1.6-40) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:09.33 | pk1001100011 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.33 | pk1001100011 | E: Broken packages |
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| 22:09.44 | pk1001100011 | Eh, sorry. |
| 22:10.05 | pk1001100011 | For three lines? -.- Ok, ok… |
| 22:10.41 | pk1001100011 | I want to: apt-get remove -f ca-certificates-java |
| 22:10.43 | pk1001100011 | And get: http://paste.debian.net/168655/ |
| 22:10.47 | pk1001100011 | What to do? |
| 22:10.58 | pk1001100011 | I want to remove default-jre and all depedencies |
| 22:11.28 | craigevil | why would you want to do that? |
| 22:11.37 | pk1001100011 | Because I don't need it… |
| 22:12.25 | craigevil | other things do, without removing all of your browsers and probably other apps not gonna happen |
| 22:12.58 | thewanderer1 | nah, java is not a critical part of the system |
| 22:13.04 | pk1001100011 | It is server, I have no browser… |
| 22:13.15 | pk1001100011 | I need it for qwebirc but I don't need it anymore |
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| 22:13.23 | pk1001100011 | I needed * |
| 22:13.30 | thewanderer1 | pk1001100011: first, do `apt-get -f install` |
| 22:14.07 | pk1001100011 | thewanderer1: Ok, done… |
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| 22:14.23 | thewanderer1 | pk1001100011: did it install or remove anything? |
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| 22:14.54 | pk1001100011 | thewanderer1: Well: http://wklej.org/id/752339/ |
| 22:15.00 | pk1001100011 | I think that it doesn't. |
| 22:15.20 | thewanderer1 | pk1001100011: are you using Ubuntu? |
| 22:15.29 | themill | show the full output not edited highlights |
| 22:15.29 | pk1001100011 | Debian Eth or something… |
| 22:15.42 | thewanderer1 | Etch? uh. |
| 22:15.58 | pk1001100011 | And where I can find log from apt-get? |
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| 22:16.26 | thewanderer1 | it outputs it all into your current console window... |
| 22:16.34 | pk1001100011 | I know… ok… |
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| 22:17.38 | pk1001100011 | Here is it: http://kosinski.tk/log.txt |
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| 22:19.49 | pk1001100011 | Anyone any tip? |
| 22:20.00 | pk1001100011 | I'm newbie here. ^^ |
| 22:20.10 | pk1001100011 | I was using Google and it didn't help. |
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| 22:23.12 | pk1001100011 | Well, so far I found only that Java in Debian is neverending pain: http://askubuntu.com/a/32009 |
| 22:23.18 | pk1001100011 | And yeah, it's on VPS in OpenVZ |
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| 22:23.24 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.25 | alex- | tar (child): bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 22:23.39 | mentor | Install bzip? |
| 22:23.40 | alex- | Am i missing some package? |
| 22:23.51 | alex- | thanks :P |
| 22:24.31 | somiaj | bzip2 is the name of the package |
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| 22:25.00 | llliii | thewanderer1: can i change the luks password later on ? |
| 22:25.01 | pk1001100011 | 1100 Debian users, comoc. :( |
| 22:25.05 | pk1001100011 | comon * |
| 22:25.09 | peterrooney | I argue that, since tar has the -j option by default, tar should depend on bzip2 |
| 22:25.29 | alex- | somiaj: yes i found by pressing tab :p |
| 22:25.43 | thewanderer1 | llliii: http://www.abercrombieart.com/images/Obama_Yes_Black_Poster_530x661.jpg |
| 22:26.05 | chokesmaster | hello all, i have a small issue with a teamspeak startup script... it just don't do anything :/ |
| 22:26.10 | peterrooney | meant "compiled in by default" |
| 22:26.21 | llliii | thewanderer1: nice "can". how long does the password chnage take ? |
| 22:26.35 | chokesmaster | i used this guide here: http://teamspeak3.se/linux-howto-teamspeak3/ |
| 22:26.42 | thewanderer1 | llliii: as long as it takes you to type a few commands |
| 22:27.18 | llliii | thewanderer1: really ? so that passowrd is just password to unlock some keyfiles and keyfiles don't change at all ? so there is no decyrption and re-encryption process ?! |
| 22:27.35 | thewanderer1 | llliii: yes - it's called a master key scheme or something like that |
| 22:28.06 | llliii | thewanderer1: ok... |
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| 22:28.34 | llliii | thewanderer1: you didn't help me with the grub problem ! :( |
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| 22:29.32 | thewanderer1 | llliii: well. you need to boot the system somehow and restore your grub menu. |
| 22:29.43 | llliii | thewanderer1: i am planning to install dropbear intot he initramfs and use, can i have the option of doing both : ssh and enter password to continue booting. AND later change to using automatic boot by supplying password without ssh ? |
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| 22:30.13 | llliii | thewanderer1: i am just going to reinstall i tihnk.. didn't have any data since it was a fresh install, |
| 22:30.27 | thewanderer1 | llliii: with some amount of hacking, it's possible to do anything in the boot script |
| 22:32.09 | llliii | thewanderer1: ok, i get that.... can you tell me if i can do above relatively easily : spending an hour ? |
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| 22:33.19 | rrn | Not all mirrors offer the experimental repo, right? |
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| 22:33.46 | sencha | Where does Debian get the mime files that are included with various programs? |
| 22:33.54 | sencha | are they manually typed out by debian devs? |
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| 22:34.54 | craigevil | rrn, if its an official mirror it should have repos for all including stable,testing,sid, exp |
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| 22:36.21 | rrn | craigevil: I do not believe that it is official. |
| 22:36.50 | craigevil | is it on the Debian mirror list? |
| 22:37.08 | T800 | Hello. |
| 22:37.38 | rrn | craigevil: e.g., it is not in http://mirror.rit.edu/debian/dists/squeeze/ |
| 22:38.10 | craigevil | !mirror |
| 22:38.10 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:38.30 | craigevil | if its on that list it has all the repos |
| 22:38.54 | rrn | craigevil: It is on the list of secondary mirrors. |
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| 22:39.29 | rrn | craigevil: Yet a dir named "experimental" does not exist in http://mirror.rit.edu/debian/dists/squeeze/ |
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| 22:41.10 | ironmagma | Hello, my server's fully qualified domain name seems to be wrong; `hostname --fqdn` just produces the hostname (in /etc/hostname) instead of the fqdn. What should I do to fix this? |
| 22:41.14 | craigevil | exp for that mirror would look like, deb http://mirror.rit.edu/debian/ experimental main |
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| 22:41.56 | thewanderer1 | llliii: I don't have a solution at hand, sorry. please understand that, when implementing custom initramfs setups like the one with dropbear, you're on your own. |
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| 22:42.34 | llliii | ok |
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| 22:43.41 | thewanderer1 | ironmagma: well, you can put the fqdn inside /etc/hostname... |
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| 22:44.30 | mentor | You can also specify which domain to search in in resolv.conf |
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| 22:47.18 | chattr | ironmagma: what should ' hostname --fqdn ' return? |
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| 22:48.03 | ironmagma | chattr: I would assume something like "def.abc.com". Instead, it returns something like just "def". |
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| 22:50.23 | chattr | ironmagma: well, if you're not sure, look in /etc/hostname , or, maybe see if you're hosting provider fools with things. my linode does |
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| 23:03.45 | llliii | in installation of debian, how do i pass boot parameters to use preseed ? I don't see an optoin to pass boot parameters |
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| 23:10.53 | dondelelcaro | llliii: the prompt accepts boot paramters after the name of the kernel to boot |
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| 23:12.08 | llliii | dondelelcaro: there is no prompt |
| 23:12.27 | llliii | dondelelcaro: when i put the installation dvd there is no prmpt other than the gui |
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| 23:14.58 | llliii | anyone tell me how to pass the preseed file and get boot propmt when i try to install debian using DVD ?? |
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| 23:15.36 | llliii | i tried to select automated install |
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| 23:15.42 | llliii | but it didn't ask for the preseed file |
| 23:16.19 | hash2 | so the sudo command dosent work in debian? |
| 23:16.36 | Diopter | hash2: If you install the "sudo" package, sure |
| 23:16.38 | lusers | hash2: Install it first. |
| 23:16.42 | llliii | preseed : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Squeeze/Installation says automated install needs a preseed file, but doesn't tell how to give this shit |
| 23:16.49 | hash2 | oh |
| 23:17.42 | hash2 | i was like why do i have to do things as su and whats this speal when i tried to use sudo |
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| 23:18.18 | esto | llliii: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en |
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| 23:18.52 | llliii | esto: thatnks for doing a google search, but can you tell me how to pass an optoin while installing ? |
| 23:19.16 | llliii | esto: the installer only gives few menu optoins |
| 23:19.27 | esto | read the firt paragraph |
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| 23:20.43 | llliii | ok |
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| 23:21.19 | llliii | wasn't useful since whole point was to get to the boot prompt with the installer |
| 23:21.20 | llliii | anyway nevermind |
| 23:21.38 | llliii | i am trying ot figure that : how to get boot prompt wiht installer :) |
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| 23:21.47 | llliii | i found by navitaging in the menu |
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| 23:22.26 | hash | so are keyboard shortcuts different too |
| 23:23.22 | lusers | hash: Most likely. |
| 23:23.40 | hash | from the standard |
| 23:23.43 | hash | man |
| 23:24.05 | hash | more reading |
| 23:24.23 | lusers | hash: For the shortcuts? You're referring to Gnome? |
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| 23:24.46 | lusers | More reading is good. |
| 23:25.13 | hash | yeah its gnome desktop shortcuts like key combos i.e. ctrl+alt+t for a terminal |
| 23:25.25 | hash | and yes more reading isnt a bad thing |
| 23:26.23 | lusers | hash: Map it again. I don't recall if that's default shortcut or something I mapped it myself. Most of the shortcuts are same. Debian don't really change things much from upstream. |
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| 23:26.52 | llliii | to use preseed with usb drive, instructions said preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg |
| 23:27.08 | llliii | question is will the usb drive always get mounted with that name ?! |
| 23:27.40 | hash | lusers: i thought it should be the same |
| 23:28.02 | hash | my system froze when i opened a second terminal with xchat running |
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| 23:32.04 | cardamon | I skipped tasksel desktop, preferring to handle my environment manually. Is there anything in there that I'll want regardless? iceweasel, gimp, libreoffice, anacron, and cups are rather obvious yeses. I've got alsa-base and alsa-utils already but no sound. Wondering if I'm missing something. |
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| 23:34.10 | lusers | Afaik there are no libreoffice in squeeze? o.o |
| 23:34.29 | lusers | (oh there is) |
| 23:34.37 | lusers | Nevermind. I'm using wheezy. |
| 23:34.52 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: err, your sound is muted in alsamixer? |
| 23:35.17 | thewanderer1 | and your user is not in audio group? |
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| 23:37.01 | cardamon | User's in audio. Sound is unmuted. |
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| 23:37.52 | cardamon | lusers: So am I. |
| 23:38.09 | lusers | is linux-sound-base installed? |
| 23:38.13 | lusers | cardamon: ^ |
| 23:38.48 | cardamon | Yes. |
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| 23:40.26 | lusers | cardamon: alsa-base installed? Other than that, I don't really know. :\ |
| 23:40.47 | lusers | (Ah, you mentioned it) |
| 23:42.16 | thewanderer1 | could be a module option needed for it to work if it's new hardware |
| 23:42.26 | cardamon | Not very new, I don't think. |
| 23:42.44 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/168665/ |
| 23:42.50 | craigevil | !alsa-checklist |
| 23:42.51 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 23:43.08 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: errr, something else is using the device? |
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| 23:43.44 | llliii | i there a log that debian installed leaves ? |
| 23:43.50 | cardamon | What else could be? |
| 23:44.02 | llliii | i am trying to point a preseed file but it goes back asking what language etc. |
| 23:44.11 | cardamon | There's no browsers or players open that could be. |
| 23:44.17 | llliii | so i want to know if it is is able to reach the url, or if its on the network |
| 23:44.54 | cardamon | I get the same error if I try playing Noise.wav as root. |
| 23:45.06 | cardamon | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 23:45.07 | cardamon | aplay: main:682: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 23:48.05 | cardamon | Back in five. |
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| 23:52.53 | cardamon | Hmm. |
| 23:52.57 | cardamon | Situation resolved. |
| 23:53.48 | cardamon | now to figure out how to get simultaneous output...again |
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| 23:55.52 | hash2 | i keep getting that im not in the sudoers file when i try to run sudo |
| 23:56.14 | hash2 | how do i change this |
| 23:56.25 | dondelelcaro | hash2: visudo as root and add yourself to the sudoers file |
| 23:56.58 | hash2 | whats the command for that |
| 23:57.11 | dondelelcaro | hash2: su |
| 23:57.13 | lusers | hash: Google "wiki debian sudo" |
| 23:57.20 | hash2 | i know su |
| 23:57.41 | dondelelcaro | hash2: then what's not to know? you run visudo to edit sudoers and add yourself. |
| 23:57.49 | hash2 | yes |
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| 23:58.34 | hash2 | i dont know the commands to add myself |
| 23:59.17 | dondelelcaro | hash2: there's no command. You add a line like foouser ALL=(ALL) ALL to that file. |
| 23:59.29 | dondelelcaro | hash2: using visudo to make sure you don't screw the file up |
| 23:59.32 | hash2 | ah ok |
| 23:59.37 | dondelelcaro | hash2: man 5 sudoers; if you're lost. It has examples. |
| 23:59.58 | hash2 | im still new and learning |
