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| 00:12.41 | KeatonT | any care to help me with getting a python script running in the background on the bone? |
| 00:12.51 | dizzylizzy | somewhere between links2 versions 2.3~pre1-1 and 2.6-1, something went horribly awry D: |
| 00:13.46 | abrotman | changelogs are available |
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| 00:13.50 | abrotman | on the bone ? |
| 00:13.58 | KeatonT | sorry posted in the wrong channel |
| 00:14.14 | dizzylizzy | I submit a search at debian.org/Bugs with certain fields specified in 2.3, and it works. No matter what I put in 2.6, I get the error: "An error occured. Error was: You have to choose something to select by" |
| 00:14.16 | peterrooney | wonders at the slang the kids are using these days |
| 00:14.27 | abrotman | clang ? |
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| 00:15.34 | dizzylizzy | my entered search terms are as follows: select bugs In package: 'apt', include bugs Tagged: 'wheezy' |
| 00:15.52 | dizzylizzy | if somebody's on wheezy could they see if it doesn't work for you as well? |
| 00:16.05 | dizzylizzy | works on the squeeze version of links2 for me |
| 00:16.16 | dizzylizzy | I'm not using the graphical client for it |
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| 00:24.37 | vldcnst | Any idea why 'buffers' (heap, afaik) - reported by free - wouldn't get filled/used? Is there a setting to set it to a very low limit? 'cached' works as I normally think it should, getting filled for frequently accesed files. 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 00:27.37 | dizzylizzy | nevermind for now BTS search works |
| 00:27.39 | dizzylizzy | :-/ |
| 00:28.41 | craigevil | uses surfraw for searches with links2 |
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| 00:38.57 | Areckx | What's new in the Debian world today? |
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| 00:43.29 | dizzylizzy | i figured it out :-/ |
| 00:43.38 | dizzylizzy | why it's taking so long for my apt-cache queries to run |
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| 00:44.01 | dizzylizzy | part of the explanation includes why it's downloading 50 languages of translations every apt-get update |
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| 00:45.15 | Sovereign | Is there any way to change the resolution in terminal |
| 00:45.55 | dizzylizzy | with a framebuffer |
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| 00:47.39 | Sovereign | my resolution is so low I cant get to the settings menu |
| 00:48.13 | bardzusny | try xrandr |
| 00:48.54 | dizzylizzy | oh! I thought you meant the resolution for a tty |
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| 00:49.53 | Sovereign | xrandr |
| 00:50.42 | nevyn | dizzylizzy: localepurge? |
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| 00:52.05 | craigevil | dizzylizzy, re-run dpkg-reconfigure locales the fewer languages you choose the fewer apt-get update/apt-cache look at |
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| 00:53.08 | dizzylizzy | Exactly |
| 00:53.11 | dizzylizzy | thank you!! |
| 00:53.25 | dizzylizzy | I've been looking for where to go to adjust locale settings |
| 00:53.28 | dizzylizzy | for apt |
| 00:54.16 | nevyn | localepurge will actually remove all the locale files for languages not in that list saving some disk space |
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| 00:55.54 | dizzylizzy | haha, had to run `apt-cache search localepurge` to be sure, since it wasn't installed |
| 00:56.01 | dizzylizzy | took forever :P thanks y'all |
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| 00:58.05 | dizzylizzy | "Total disk space freed by localepurge: 494536 KiB |
| 00:58.09 | dizzylizzy | " |
| 00:58.19 | Sovereign | Is it called Monitor preferences, display settings or display Preferences in Debian 6 |
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| 01:03.36 | schoppenhauer | Hello. This might not be a very debian-specific question, but is there any debian package which makes it easy for windows-people to upload files, without requiring them to install any new software? |
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| 01:03.48 | schoppenhauer | Best would be a webinterface for uploading. |
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| 01:04.03 | n-iCe | hi |
| 01:04.08 | n-iCe | I'm finally in testing and my mic works perfect |
| 01:04.21 | n-iCe | But wow, what's the desktop invoronment used? |
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| 01:04.52 | craigevil | n-iCe, which one did you install? if you went with default its gnome 3 |
| 01:04.56 | sfsf32 | hello |
| 01:05.00 | n-iCe | craigevil: hi! |
| 01:05.01 | schoppenhauer | Importantly, it should support large files if possible ... and not require any user accounts for these people, but rather something added to a config file or so. |
| 01:05.03 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: uploading to debian server, from some other Windows machine? |
| 01:05.05 | n-iCe | oh gnome3? reminds me to meego |
| 01:05.18 | n-iCe | moblin* |
| 01:05.27 | sfsf32 | how to interpret the results of memtest86+? I ran the tests and the end there were 36 errors |
| 01:05.37 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: yes. but the person who has to upload is [insert friendlier word for "dumb"] |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | schoppenhauer: depends what the server supports |
| 01:05.40 | sfsf32 | there is no way to take a screenshot |
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| 01:06.10 | schoppenhauer | abrotman: I have an apache2 running, with php enabled. I can install whatever is needed, but it would be nice if it is not too hard to configure. |
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| 01:06.38 | abrotman | schoppenhauer: i'm sure there's some web app |
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| 01:07.09 | schoppenhauer | abrotman: ok, which one? and especially ... I always ran into timeouts and stuff with php scripts. |
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| 01:07.34 | karsten | sfsf32: you can't interrupt and save unless you've already hooked up a serial console. |
| 01:07.44 | karsten | sfsf32: escape will quit and reboot. |
| 01:07.48 | schoppenhauer | abrotman: I am rather thinking of an ftp server maybe, but is there any that does not depend on the actual user accounts? |
| 01:07.50 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: uploading large files this way may not be the best way, as in: connections can break |
| 01:07.51 | dizzylizzy | what about the included ftp interface for windows? |
| 01:07.58 | n-iCe | craigevil: its amazing, you should try it |
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| 01:08.00 | dizzylizzy | oh, oh i see |
| 01:08.06 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: what is the alternative? |
| 01:08.28 | bardzusny | ftp as you said, but it's not so user friendly |
| 01:08.31 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: windows almost has nothing installed that could be useful. |
| 01:08.48 | sfsf32 | karsten, i want to know what those errors mean |
| 01:08.53 | gnarface | hey so like, obexftp is for getting files to/from your phone over bluetooth. which one is the one for getting SMS messages to/from it and which one is the one for dialing? |
| 01:08.59 | bardzusny | of course you can setup samba server if it's only for LAN |
| 01:09.08 | gnarface | has a dead touchscreen |
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| 01:09.17 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: it is not lan, unfortunately, otherwise i would definitely use samba |
| 01:09.20 | bardzusny | gnarface: device? |
| 01:09.34 | karsten | sfsf32: Generally the workflow is: run the test, if it errors, either remove the indicated memory, or remove half your memory and retest to see if the problem goes away. If the problem was bad RAM, it should, if it's bad components elsewhere, you may continue to get errors (hardware issues, BIOS settings, e.g.: nortbridge configs, some stuff related to chipkill errors). |
| 01:09.37 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: how big files are we talking about? |
| 01:09.46 | karsten | gnarface: Wouldn't a dead touchscreen be a numbscreen? |
| 01:09.54 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: is there an ftp server which has its own user management? they usually publish the home directories of the system's users. |
| 01:10.01 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: 1 gig |
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| 01:10.06 | harold | what should one rather learn, nslookup or dig? |
| 01:10.13 | gnarface | bardzusny: well, shitty LG prime (GS390) let me worry about whether its compatible or not though, i just want to know what the googleable obex* string is |
| 01:10.15 | sfsf32 | karsten, ok thank you |
| 01:10.27 | gnarface | karsten: ha-ha-ha :-p |
| 01:10.37 | karsten | sfsf32: Wheterh or not you want my opinion: you're overoptimizing. If memtest86+ shows errors, you've either got bad RAM, bad componentry, or bad BIOS configs. You're going to need to fix what's wrong and move on. |
| 01:11.21 | nsadmin | harold, I'd say dig |
| 01:11.36 | karsten | sfsf32: However, if you want to capture the errors, figure out how to configure serial console on your system, including BIOS, and attach via minicom using 'typescript' on the remote side to capture output. You can capture timings so that the result is replayable if you want. |
| 01:11.42 | nevyn | sfsf32: is it a supported system? |
| 01:12.17 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: the problem is, it is a common thing that some win-dau has to upload a file ... and cannot do it. |
| 01:12.20 | sfsf32 | karsten, i ran the test because was suggested to me from someone here. Iceweasel on my fresh squeeze install was crashing continuosly |
| 01:12.48 | karsten | sfsf32: http://www.safeer.in/2010/01/typescript-capturing-your-shell.html |
| 01:12.57 | karsten | sfsf32: Yes, and? |
| 01:12.57 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: ftp would be great, does not even need to be encrypted, but most ftp daemons use user-accounts and passwords of the system by default. |
| 01:13.02 | sfsf32 | nevyn, i don't know |
| 01:13.24 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: and why that doesn't fit in this case? |
| 01:13.27 | karsten | sfsf32: Supposing you know what specific ways your memory's crapping out. How will that change what you do? |
| 01:13.34 | nsadmin | sfsf32, did you say memtest86 actually showed errors? |
| 01:13.35 | sfsf32 | karsten, and the test gave me errors so i was wondering if my ram is broken |
| 01:13.47 | karsten | sfsf32: See what I wrote above. |
| 01:14.01 | karsten | sfsf32: memtest86+ is a blunt instrument. |
| 01:14.01 | sfsf32 | ok |
| 01:14.08 | sfsf32 | nsadmin, yes |
| 01:14.10 | nevyn | sfsf32: nevermind.. the last time I had repeatable memory issues the system had dedicated tools for that specific hardware to identify which banks were bad.. |
| 01:14.11 | nsadmin | ram, or cpu. or motherboard, or possibly video card |
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| 01:14.15 | nevyn | doesn't apply in your case. |
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| 01:14.18 | karsten | sfsf32: I've had it find bad ram. I've had it find bad motherboards / capacitors. I've had it find bad BIOS settings. |
| 01:14.25 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: I do not want to add new user-accounts for every such user every time |
| 01:14.31 | nsadmin | OR possibly you tried to overclock? |
| 01:14.48 | karsten | sfsf32: The errors won't distinguish between those. The *fact* of errors will. Particularly as you isolate various componsents. |
| 01:14.52 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: especially, if I do, and the connection is unencrypted (which it needs to be to prevent ssl errors) then some other person could login |
| 01:14.57 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: through ssh |
| 01:15.04 | karsten | sfsf32: This is the difference beteen obsessing on minutia and effective troubleshooting. |
| 01:15.05 | sfsf32 | ok, thanks |
| 01:15.20 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: you can set-up user 'registration' by php |
| 01:15.21 | bardzusny | hmm |
| 01:15.27 | nsadmin | oh, like you could try replacing the ram and run the test again |
| 01:15.31 | karsten | sfsf32: You've determined you have *A* problem. Your mission now, should you choose to accept it is to determine *THE* problem, and resolve it. |
| 01:15.50 | nsadmin | if you see the same results, it's not your ram... if it starts working properly, it was |
| 01:15.53 | karsten | sfsf32: retesting with 1/2 of your RAM installed would be a really good start. |
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| 01:16.16 | nsadmin | yeeah,,, break a ram card in half and try that! |
| 01:16.17 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: isn't there an ftp-server with its own user-management? like .htaccess-files or something for webservers? |
| 01:16.22 | nsadmin | just kidding, don't do that |
| 01:16.33 | sfsf32 | by the way i upgraded iceweasel to the version in mozilla.debian and it doesn't crash anymore. But it's strange that it crashed on a fresh installation |
| 01:16.43 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: I'm not the guy for ftp servers, sorry |
| 01:17.20 | schoppenhauer | does anybody else know? |
| 01:17.41 | schoppenhauer | that is, does anybody know an ftp-server with its own user-management? |
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| 01:18.06 | nsadmin | schoppenhauer, I think some ftp servers can use sql databases for auth |
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| 01:18.15 | nsadmin | and some can use ldap |
| 01:19.02 | nsadmin | I'll tell ya tho... ftp is definitely -not- recommended to be used on internet-facing servers if you're doing any kind of auth |
| 01:19.24 | bardzusny | is it right that most common ftp servers support sftp? |
| 01:19.28 | schoppenhauer | nsadmin: it is only for casual file uploads. |
| 01:19.30 | bardzusny | clients* |
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| 01:20.07 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: anonymous uploads won't do? |
| 01:20.27 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: well, I want at least /some/ form of "shared secret" |
| 01:20.43 | karsten | schoppenhauer: install openssh-server and configure for sftp. |
| 01:20.55 | schoppenhauer | karsten: and then? |
| 01:20.56 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Friends don't let friends run plain FTP. |
| 01:21.20 | schoppenhauer | karsten: windows users cannot access ssh without installing extra software ;_; |
| 01:21.27 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: addings users can be done through web-interface |
| 01:21.41 | bardzusny | that's for sure |
| 01:22.09 | bardzusny | schoppenhauer: the same goes for ftp I think (unless we count cli client) |
| 01:22.26 | nsadmin | schoppenhauer, there's another name for "casual file uploads" :P |
| 01:23.03 | karsten | schoppenhauer: either create sftp-only users, or explore in SSH / PAM for how to reference non-system users. |
| 01:23.08 | karsten | schoppenhauer: What's your goal? |
| 01:23.29 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Then they should install that extra software. E.g.: PuTTY. |
| 01:23.33 | nsadmin | aside from which, it's not the casual uploaders you need to worry about... it's the routers along the path and who gets to watch the traffic |
| 01:23.37 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Not my problem. |
| 01:24.02 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Hell, ther's sftp clients / plugins for Firefox these days. |
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| 01:24.45 | bardzusny | I think common ftp clients support sftp too (FileZilla for sure, others: ?) |
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| 01:25.35 | karsten | AFAIR, Windows users would need to install something to run ftp also. Other than the shell client. Unless MSIE has an FTP cleint built into it. |
| 01:25.40 | schoppenhauer | karsten: well, the best would be a flash-thingy that can do sftp ... |
| 01:25.57 | schoppenhauer | bardzusny: the windows explorer supports ftp. but it also supports webdav. |
| 01:26.12 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Not particularly relevant for #debian, FYI. |
| 01:26.31 | karsten | Yeah, i was thinking webdav. That over SSL would be a decent alternative. |
| 01:27.16 | nsadmin | schoppenhauer, maybe webdav is a better choice? I've used it before, but hadn't read up |
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| 01:27.39 | schoppenhauer | karsten: well, my question was not whether it was possible but whether there is a debian package. obviously none known, so yes, its not relevant here anymore. |
| 01:28.04 | schoppenhauer | nsadmin: yes, I will think about it. |
| 01:28.06 | schoppenhauer | thank you. |
| 01:28.19 | schoppenhauer | seems to be a problem with no simple solution. |
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| 01:31.24 | nsadmin | schoppenhauer, as may have been said already, the issue with ftp is it sends trial auth info (logname, passwd from user) without encrypting it |
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| 01:33.00 | dizzylizzy | The scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ are similar to the rc*.d scripts, less the S/K prefix. Is there a safe way to delete/remove a script from there, or if not, how might I regain the script (given I know which package placed it there) |
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| 01:33.48 | dizzylizzy | nevermind! |
| 01:34.04 | dizzylizzy | the script in question checks x-session-manager from /etc/alternatives, so I'm going to go ahead and change that instead |
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| 01:37.12 | cesurasean | guys. i can ping my nic cards, but not able to ping my router. using 2 nics. but, when i connect ethernet to both nics, and to the router, i can only ping the nics, and cannot ping the router? any clue what my problem is? what do i need to show you guys in order to get this machine back up and into production? thanks. |
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| 01:38.36 | a_b0y | hey |
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| 01:39.06 | a_b0y | can someone check if a website is accessible for me |
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| 01:39.36 | bardzusny | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 01:39.46 | bardzusny | a_b0y: ^ |
| 01:41.00 | schoppenhauer | nsadmin: yes, I said that myself ^^. I hoped there was as simple solution. Currently I am looking for something that I can make myself, using for example swfupload, but as has been said, this does not fit into #debian |
| 01:41.04 | schoppenhauer | good night everyone |
| 01:41.33 | schoppenhauer | nsadmin: (every windows-user unable to install winscp should have a browser with flash, I guess) |
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| 01:43.34 | cesurasean | anyone? |
| 01:43.44 | cesurasean | someone mind helping me for a quick few? |
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| 01:44.26 | hstefan | I'm running debian on a vm and for some reason the internet there became so much slow(pings take about 5k ms each). I already disabled ipv6, which is a common issue, another common issue I could try? |
| 01:45.55 | nsadmin | cesurasean, what happens if you run only one nic? |
| 01:46.30 | cesurasean | I'm able to ping itself, and the router just fine if I only connect 1 of the 2 nics. so both nics work if the other one is not plugged in... |
| 01:46.31 | nsadmin | btw, you may possibly recognize ma nick :) |
| 01:46.48 | cesurasean | nsadmin, yes, i do! was hoping you could speak up and help! |
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| 01:47.16 | cesurasean | this is the same machine, but i found it that when both nics are plugged in, it's not working. each nic works when singled out... |
| 01:47.23 | cesurasean | ifconfig -a? |
| 01:47.31 | cesurasean | I'm trying to see if I can get you that right now. |
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| 01:48.37 | nsadmin | well I believe what I said before, is this situation may be a more complex routing issue than just static routing... also, I said that mostly I understand plain static routing, I never needed more than that for helping most people get their network set up |
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| 01:50.19 | cesurasean | I think it may be the cables used, or loose connections. I just got both cards to respond. |
| 01:50.32 | cesurasean | rebooting to see if that's true or not. |
| 01:50.55 | cesurasean | nsadmin, this has 1 nic outbound, and 1 inbound for load balancing. |
| 01:51.13 | cesurasean | stunnel/haproxy |
| 01:51.16 | abrotman | cesurasean: how did you configure the devices? |
| 01:51.24 | cesurasean | using debian installed. |
| 01:51.28 | cesurasean | installer* |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | not really what i meant ... |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | put /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin |
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| 01:52.02 | cesurasean | abrotman, hold on, and i will. |
| 01:52.11 | cesurasean | waiting for it to come back online. |
| 01:52.25 | nsadmin | also noting as how when you do plain static routing without the added complexity of two nics with gateway routes to the same router, your net works. Having seen that, let's try the other nic... plug the unpluged one in, and take out the plug on the other... works again? |
| 01:53.05 | nsadmin | (note that your existing connections on the one IP won't work, so you'll have to start connections using the other IP) |
| 01:54.18 | nsadmin | cesurasean, also, abrotman probably understands how to do these custom style configurations, and can probably even tell you about some different choices you may have and what they're used for |
| 01:54.53 | nsadmin | also, if you want this duplex thing, you will have to do some kind of binding on both ends |
| 01:55.47 | cesurasean | It was already setup before, but for some reason now it's just not working. |
| 01:55.52 | cesurasean | I used it for almost a year like that. |
| 01:56.02 | cesurasean | also, i may have binded the addresses together, not sure. |
| 01:56.09 | cesurasean | let me pastebin an interfaces file. |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | so what did you change? |
| 01:56.31 | cesurasean | well, someone moved my rack around. and it stopped. and turning machines off, and on. |
| 01:56.39 | cesurasean | besides that, nothing software wise. |
| 01:57.17 | cesurasean | like i said, it was just working about 5 mins ago, rebooted, and it stopped working. couldn't even ssh to it. |
| 01:57.23 | cesurasean | either address for either nic. |
| 01:57.52 | cesurasean | I'm rebooting with just 1 ethernet plugged in this time around. |
| 01:58.41 | nsadmin | cesurasean, to test the cables (I'm sure they're good, but try anyway) try the other nic too |
| 01:59.32 | cesurasean | same thing. i was able to ssh from this laptop a minute ago, then both cards aren't working again. |
| 01:59.39 | cesurasean | i just did. |
| 01:59.51 | nsadmin | cesurasean, btw, do you have usually as much outgoing traffic as incoming? |
| 01:59.57 | JoeHazzers | if i want a btrfs root partition, is the best option just to disable checking of the filesystem at boot via fstab? |
| 02:00.31 | cesurasean | I thiunk there might have been more incoming |
| 02:00.34 | bardzusny | still no fsck for btrfs huh? |
| 02:00.48 | JoeHazzers | bardzusny: you bet. it stops my system from booting. |
| 02:01.07 | JoeHazzers | well, at least time i installed testing |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | never gets his pastebin .. oh well |
| 02:01.49 | cesurasean | abrotman, this can only be routing, or the nics not being active, correct? |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | i haven't seen a single pastebin .. NFC |
| 02:02.26 | nsadmin | if you've tested each nic separately |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | lets nsadmin take over .. enjoy |
| 02:03.22 | cesurasean | abrotman, it's hard to pastebin without ssh access.... |
| 02:03.25 | nsadmin | cesurasean, you do have a tendency to forget to provide info... this is what frustrated me before, and it's what's making abrotmen lose interest |
| 02:03.36 | cesurasean | i do however see a 3rd nic inside ifconfig -a |
| 02:03.46 | cesurasean | that i may not have configured. could that be causing some sort of conflict? |
| 02:04.09 | cesurasean | im trying to get ssh back up. |
| 02:04.26 | nsadmin | cesurasean, put your net up with one nic as before... then pastebin |
| 02:04.31 | nevyn | cesurasean: what sort of switch is it attached to? |
| 02:04.35 | cesurasean | im trying. it's not working with 1 nic. |
| 02:04.43 | cesurasean | a linksys router, fresh install |
| 02:04.46 | nevyn | ah |
| 02:04.59 | cesurasean | it didn't work with another linksys i have at home either |
| 02:05.07 | cesurasean | which has dd wrt on it |
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| 02:05.41 | cesurasean | i think maybe that 3rd nic thats not given an ip address might be conflicting? |
| 02:06.02 | JoeHazzers | couldn't you... look in your logs? |
| 02:06.25 | cesurasean | yep |
| 02:06.39 | cesurasean | i plugged it into that 3rd nic, and now it's giving a ping |
| 02:07.55 | cesurasean | weird. so even with the 3rd nic labeled as eth2, that was causing conflict |
| 02:08.06 | cesurasean | even though ifconfig -a shows nothing is assigned or binded yet |
| 02:08.19 | cesurasean | weird. bug maybe? |
| 02:08.35 | JoeHazzers | ಠ_ಠ |
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| 02:09.18 | gnarface | damnit |
| 02:09.20 | cesurasean | i have ssh access now on the 3rd nic. it took over one of the other card's IP's even though ifconfig -a shows no link active, nor ip |
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| 02:10.05 | cesurasean | sorry for the trouble i was giving on providing output. if you wish for me to post some outputs i can for you to understand better |
| 02:10.26 | JoeHazzers | how are you configuring the interfaces? are you trying to give them both the same IP? are you using DHCP or static configuration? |
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| 02:10.38 | gnarface | i've got an rsyslog question for anyone who has used RELP (omrelp/imrelp) instead of TCP or UDP. here it is: $AllowedSender TCP [...] or $AllowedSender RELP [...] or... other? |
| 02:10.59 | gnarface | the documentation isn't clear on this matter |
| 02:11.19 | gnarface | the number one google result is an ubuntu bug tracker entry about AllowedSender being ignored for RELP |
| 02:11.25 | xeberdee_ | My installer won't find a mirror? |
| 02:11.37 | JoeHazzers | xeberdee_: at which stage? |
| 02:11.51 | xeberdee_ | Configure the package manager |
| 02:12.19 | JoeHazzers | is this when you're first asked to select a mirror or after you install the base system? |
| 02:12.20 | cesurasean | thanks for the help abrotman, and nsadmin! fixed my own issue with my ignorance, ;) . Does every nic must be specified in interfaces file??! |
| 02:12.38 | JoeHazzers | cesurasean: it usually helps :) |
| 02:12.42 | xeberdee_ | JoeHazzers: after base system |
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| 02:13.04 | bardzusny | cesurasean: you can always configure it manually, but if you want it to be configured at startup and/or use ifup/ifdown commands |
| 02:13.05 | cesurasean | JoeHazzers, I didn't know that as a rule of thumb. |
| 02:13.07 | bardzusny | then yes |
| 02:13.08 | JoeHazzers | xeberdee_: hrm, that's a bit weird. i always remember it using my previous settings from when i chose the mirror earlier. |
| 02:13.18 | cesurasean | I didn't want to use the 3rd nic, though. |
| 02:13.30 | cesurasean | just wanted to leave it be, so I can swap cards, and not burn up the motherboard. |
| 02:13.42 | cesurasean | it's the onboard nic i forgot about. |
| 02:13.52 | JoeHazzers | cesurasean: oh, you don't have to configure an interface if you don't want to use it. but i'd recommend specifying them in /etc/network/interfaces if you want to be able to use them hassle-free |
| 02:13.57 | JoeHazzers | especially on remote machines |
| 02:14.00 | cesurasean | should be an onboard on/off switch somewhere in this thing. ;) |
| 02:14.15 | cesurasean | oh, i see. |
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| 02:15.42 | xeberdee_ | JoeHazzers: I'm a newb here - any problem finishing without updating the package manager and then logging in to fix it? |
| 02:16.39 | JoeHazzers | xeberdee_: well, it might be a pain to get the installer to both finish and to even be able to update/use your system. are you sure the machine still has a network connection? (open another terminal with ctrl+alt+f2, activate it, and try ping something) |
| 02:17.10 | cesurasean | i shall be back if i need assistance. thanks guys. |
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| 02:17.27 | xeberdee | bad client sorry |
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| 02:18.37 | JoeHazzers | xeberdee: well, it might be a pain to get the installer to both finish and to even be able to update/use your system. are you sure the machine still has a network connection? (open another terminal with ctrl+alt+f2, activate it, and try ping something) |
| 02:18.45 | gnarface | is there an rsyslogd irc channel? |
| 02:19.26 | JoeHazzers | gnarface: it looks there's a channel called #rsyslog |
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| 02:22.18 | gnarface | thanks JoeHazzers |
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| 02:26.44 | dizzylizzy | If have a ~/.xsession, is /etc/X11/Xsession simply not loaded? |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | don't you think maybe a user preference shuld override system ? |
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| 02:28.53 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: i would expect (frankly i don't know though) that Xsession is what loads your .xsession but you'd have to study Xsession carefully to make sure not to step on its toes accidentally |
| 02:29.36 | JoeHazzers | i would have thought it would act in the same way as your user profiles, i.e. /etc/profile gets run first, and then things progress from there... |
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| 02:30.04 | dizzylizzy | according to the xdm man page, it says that after login xdm runs Xsession as the user. this system session file may do some additional startup, and typically runs the user's ~/.xsession |
| 02:30.05 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: in general users ~/.[whatever] files DO merge with system level preferences, but override them where there are conflicts |
| 02:30.11 | dizzylizzy | oh god, /etc/profile now |
| 02:30.24 | dizzylizzy | I've been reading /usr/share/doc and manpages and looking through all of the scripts in /etc/X11 |
| 02:30.29 | dizzylizzy | trying to figure out what calls what |
| 02:30.39 | dizzylizzy | and what the proper way of setting preferences is |
| 02:30.43 | dizzylizzy | the "debian" way |
| 02:30.46 | dizzylizzy | all of these .d folders |
| 02:30.56 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: its a big mess. try not to drive angry. |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | preferences for what? |
| 02:31.27 | dizzylizzy | what? etc/profile is for bash |
| 02:31.34 | dizzylizzy | oh, in the same WAY as |
| 02:31.35 | dizzylizzy | okay |
| 02:31.54 | JoeHazzers | dizzylizzy: sorry if that confused you (which it seems it did) xD |
| 02:32.02 | dizzylizzy | well the problem is, Xsession.d contains a script put there by gnome-session, and that script makes sure that gnome-session is the session manager |
| 02:32.09 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm assuming specifically he's talking about X11 |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | yeah .. which part? |
| 02:32.23 | dizzylizzy | which requires a check of /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 02:32.23 | gnarface | abrotman: or a window manager |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | i got that Xorg from the xsession part :) |
| 02:32.37 | gnarface | oh man... gnome |
| 02:32.41 | dizzylizzy | I don't want a session manager, I want a window manager with no session manager |
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| 02:32.57 | dizzylizzy | so which file to I send straight to /dev/null |
| 02:33.31 | dizzylizzy | I'm on wheezy, is that makes a difference |
| 02:33.59 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: wait, so i'm clear... your problem is you *don't* want a graphical login manager... you want to just start X11 manually with startx or whatever? ... most people's trouble is accomplishing the reverse of that.... |
| 02:34.03 | JoeHazzers | dizzylizzy: what window manager are you going to be using? |
| 02:34.10 | dizzylizzy | i want xdm and fluxbox |
| 02:34.27 | dizzylizzy | I've set this up with startx many times before |
| 02:34.31 | dizzylizzy | but never with debian :-/ |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | how are you starting X ? |
| 02:34.47 | gnarface | will just sit back and wait till its clear what dizzylizzy is trying to actually accomplish |
| 02:34.53 | dizzylizzy | currently? /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 02:34.56 | Alex-Musicman | well.. seems that wine-1.4 is really incompatible with squeeze.. i'm compiling 1.3 instead and no errors for time being.. |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: how is your *user* starting X ? |
| 02:35.13 | JoeHazzers | dizzylizzy: http://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox#XDM |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | and which version of Debian ? |
| 02:35.19 | gnarface | Alex-Musicman: run wine in a chroot... |
| 02:35.21 | dizzylizzy | thank you joe |
| 02:35.30 | dizzylizzy | let me examine that |
| 02:35.34 | dizzylizzy | it has a very useful-looking url |
| 02:36.25 | dizzylizzy | wow. All this wouldn't have happened if I had known how to set fluxbox as my x-session-manager |
| 02:36.34 | dizzylizzy | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager doesn't allow for that |
| 02:36.43 | Alex-Musicman | well.. lucid repository stoped in 1.3... and squeeze have most similar packages/kernel |
| 02:36.52 | JoeHazzers | oh crap |
| 02:36.56 | gnarface | Alex-Musicman: just gonna throw this one out there though if you're trying to play THAT game that was just released today (you know what one I mean) you probably need wine 1.5.4 and ... some patches and black magic |
| 02:36.59 | JoeHazzers | i just realised i installed gnome on this machine |
| 02:37.03 | JoeHazzers | purges of all life |
| 02:37.16 | dizzylizzy | i know right? |
| 02:37.18 | xeberdee | Trying to install and resorted to sniffing in logs - but no permission to for user@ + can't log in as anything else? |
| 02:37.37 | dizzylizzy | when I get a proper computer instead of this temporary back-up because of a stupid orange soda spill I'm not installing any of the task- packages |
| 02:37.51 | dizzylizzy | I'm installing what i need when I need it :-/ |
| 02:38.06 | JoeHazzers | i know it's possible to boot the debian installer over the network via TFTP, but i have no idea if it's possible to keep the installer components cached locally :S |
| 02:38.07 | karsten | JoeHazzers: good plan |
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| 02:38.08 | dizzylizzy | gnome used to be fine until the switch to gnome3 and then nothing works whatsoever for this old piece of crap |
| 02:38.16 | Alex-Musicman | gnarface: I use only to run Amplitube.. but seems that it is crashing when I try open |
| 02:38.30 | Alex-Musicman | I used it on ubuntu hardy and it works nice |
| 02:38.41 | gnarface | Alex-Musicman: hah oh i thought you were trying to get Diablo 3 running. i got nothing to help you with on Amplutube sorry. |
| 02:38.46 | Alex-Musicman | hardy have 1.2 |
| 02:38.53 | JoeHazzers | i suppose i could run a proxy and cache the files |
| 02:38.59 | karsten | JoeHazzers: cached locally in the install target, or locally within your network? |
| 02:39.17 | Alex-Musicman | gnarface: hehe.. ook.. it is only a VST applitcation |
| 02:39.30 | Alex-Musicman | native VSTs haven't good effects |
| 02:39.30 | JoeHazzers | karsten: locally in the network. it takes a bit of time to grab the installer files via my connection. |
| 02:39.37 | JoeHazzers | but i don't want an entire mirror |
| 02:39.42 | karsten | remembers the only good version of gnome being the one prefixed with "garden", circa 1950. |
| 02:40.02 | karsten | JoeHazzers: apt-acher or ... there's another apt proxy tool |
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| 02:40.36 | gnarface | karsten, JoeHazzers apt-cacher-ng is super easy to set up |
| 02:40.57 | gnarface | (comparatively) |
| 02:41.32 | karsten | JoeHazzers: apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, and one more IIRC. |
| 02:41.42 | karsten | gnarface: tx. |
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| 02:41.55 | Alex-Musicman | well, the -rt kernel from pengutronix repository seems works good... to I proccess effects with low latency |
| 02:42.06 | hstefan | I'm running debian on a vm and for some reason the internet there became so much slow(pings take about 5k ms each). I already disabled ipv6, which is a common issue, another common issue I could try? |
| 02:42.50 | gnarface | hstefan: 5 second pings are not ipv6's fault. |
| 02:43.22 | hstefan | gnarface: yeah, noticed since it didn't help. |
| 02:43.24 | dizzylizzy | we need wayland |
| 02:43.26 | gnarface | hstefan: have you considered the possibility its your bittorrent getting you throttled? |
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| 02:43.37 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: wayland is vaporware |
| 02:43.49 | abrotman | except it works? |
| 02:44.00 | gnarface | abrotman: wait, wayland works?! |
| 02:44.01 | hstefan | gnarface: I'm not using bittorrent, and the same issue doesn't happen on another vm. |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | judd: versions libwayland0 |
| 02:44.16 | judd | Package: libwayland0 on i386 -- sid: 0.85.0-2; wheezy: 0.85.0-2 |
| 02:44.18 | abrotman | one would presume .. |
| 02:44.21 | gnarface | holy shit |
| 02:44.27 | gnarface | mind blown |
| 02:46.09 | gnarface | still reeling |
| 02:46.19 | cobra-the-joker | judd, versions xfce |
| 02:46.21 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 02:46.34 | dizzylizzy | i'm sorry all of that struggle and documentation reading and it took one command. echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xsession |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: /msg judd versions xfce4 |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: that's why i asked you 20 minutes ago .. but you didn't answer |
| 02:46.57 | cobra-the-joker | thats better |
| 02:47.24 | gnarface | hstefan: there are way more suspects upstream of you than debian. does said "other" vm have the same amount of free space, same location on the network relative to you and such? |
| 02:48.08 | gnarface | hstefan: same list of installed packages, etc.... does the latency match for other types of traffic (ping is on ICMP... which may not be representative of UDP or TCP traffic for example) |
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| 02:48.30 | dizzylizzy | abrotman: I've been working on this for three hours |
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| 02:49.36 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: learn how to actually ask a question :) |
| 02:49.37 | Alex-Musicman | somebody have some issue with obex crashing on get file via bluetooth? |
| 02:49.58 | gnarface | Alex-Musicman: only on non-squeeze hosts |
| 02:50.01 | hstefan | gnarface: the 'other' runs arch linux, network on bridged mode. Traffic is slow on anything I tried, including TCP. |
| 02:50.29 | gnarface | hstefan: how about ping from inside each vm to their respective gateway ip's? (no dns) |
| 02:50.51 | Alex-Musicman | [62912.732995] obex-data-serve[460]: segfault at 0 ip 0805853c sp bfb6f370 error 4 in obex-data-server[8048000+21000] |
| 02:50.53 | Alex-Musicman | ah.. |
| 02:51.23 | hstefan | gnarface: I'll test it, hang on |
| 02:51.52 | Alex-Musicman | late i'll try upgrade it.. |
| 02:52.26 | dizzylizzy | abrotman: I find that incredibly insulting considering how many times I've done an absurd amount of research before asking a very specific question that it turns out everybody in the god damn channel knows the answer to, only to have nobody respond to me in the slightest |
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| 02:53.01 | abrotman | i did respond .. he didn't answer my question .. i could have told him in two seconds ... |
| 02:53.49 | bentlux | hello everyone, I have a problem with python (2.6 2.7 ) , when importing keyring ( from pip or from the debian package ) it segfaults , this doesn't happen with python3-keyring and python3.2 , debian testing |
| 02:54.10 | xeberdee | Anyone else have a problem connecting to a mirror? |
| 02:54.17 | hstefan | gnarface: internal network is normal latency. |
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| 02:54.59 | gnarface | hspencer: ok so that's provably not a debian problem then. upstream is to blame |
| 02:55.10 | jordanm | bentlux: that's a bug |
| 02:56.23 | gnarface | poor dizzylizzy expected to get free help without someone pissing on his head first |
| 02:56.35 | gnarface | we've all been THERE |
| 02:57.02 | jordanm | bentlux: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672969 |
| 02:57.41 | jordanm | looks like the bug I filed against python-kde4 actually lies in python-sip, since you have pointed out keyring also segfaults |
| 02:58.52 | jordanm | bentlux: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671919 |
| 02:59.28 | bentlux | jordanm: right,it also renders offlineimap unusable |
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| 03:05.11 | bentlux | jordanm: I removed the python-sip package , now keyring works , should I fill some sort of bug report as well? |
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| 03:07.02 | n1md4_ | hello. I've a G4 powermac, and get many of these messages in dmesg "[545490.924132] ide-gd: hdd: No disk in drive", the drive in question is an iomega zip drive, and indeed I don't have a disk. What's scanning this so frequently, and how can I disable itL |
| 03:07.07 | n1md4_ | ? |
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| 03:07.45 | sorressean | I just booted up the debian cd, but I need to install over wireless with wpa2. is this possible? |
| 03:07.55 | gnarface | n1md4_: uh crap its like an ata floppy or some shit. there's probably a kernel module that's just not loaded by default. |
| 03:08.28 | gnarface | n1md4_: you have a G4 powermac with a built-in zip drive?! |
| 03:09.10 | n1md4_ | powermac being the big clunky desktop :) |
| 03:09.58 | gnarface | n1md4_: oooh. yea well there should be a module for that. if you add it to your /etc/modules file it'll probably like, scan once at boot then shut the hell up. |
| 03:10.25 | gnarface | n1md4_: sorry i don't remember the name of the module off-hand... since its a big clunky desktop you can always just go inside and unplug it too though |
| 03:10.48 | gnarface | n1md4_: might even save you a few pennies a month on electricity if you do |
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| 03:11.11 | jordanm | bentlux: I would add input to the existing bug report |
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| 03:12.02 | jordanm | bentlux: http://paste.debian.net/169007/ include that, its a backtrace from "import keyring" |
| 03:12.08 | JoeHazzers | hrm, i'd really like compression options to be available in the disk partitioner mount options in the installer. i should probably go ask. |
| 03:12.45 | jordanm | JoeHazzers: what filesystem are you using that supports file system-level compression? |
| 03:12.53 | JoeHazzers | btrfs. |
| 03:13.01 | JoeHazzers | (experimenting, of course) |
| 03:13.09 | bentlux | jordanm: ok I'll do that, thanks for your help |
| 03:13.14 | sorressean | Anyone know how I can get the debian installer to connect to wireless? |
| 03:13.23 | sorressean | wpasupplicant doesn't seem to exist. |
| 03:13.43 | JoeHazzers | sorressean: it's wpa_supplicant, and by default i believe the installer only supports wep |
| 03:14.12 | sorressean | wpa_supplicant not found. |
| 03:14.31 | sorressean | do I -seriously- have to install over ethernet? >.> |
| 03:14.50 | jordanm | JoeHazzers: I doubt that kind of support will be in until wheezy+1 |
| 03:15.14 | JoeHazzers | jordanm: regardless, it would be nice to be able to specify your own unlisted options |
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| 03:15.55 | gnarface | sorressean: no, you don't have to install over ethernet. but if you want to install over wireless, you can't use WPA or WPA2... you have to go unencrypted or WEP. that is a sad but real current limitation of the fact that no WPA* implementations exist that don't require non-free firmware components. |
| 03:15.56 | n1md4_ | gnarface: unplugging seems reasonable, although, I might scrape around for the module first; just to say it's fixed first :) |
| 03:16.29 | gnarface | n1md4_: well i can confirm for you that it worked as recently as 2005 for me but then my zip drive lit on fire |
| 03:17.03 | JoeHazzers | gnarface: surely sorressean could get the necessary components themselves and shove them into the installer? |
| 03:17.13 | JoeHazzers | i mean, it's pretty pathetic that you can't install over wifi |
| 03:17.52 | jordanm | JoeHazzers: you can, its just more difficult |
| 03:18.08 | jordanm | you can use debootstrap from a knoppix livecd for example |
| 03:18.12 | gnarface | JoeHazzers: i'm sure its possible but not with just his and my level of expertise alone. i've got it on fair trustworthiness that nobody who knows how would admit to it in polite company either. |
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| 03:18.41 | craigevil | wpa/wep work for install as long as you have the firmware/drivers needed |
| 03:19.00 | gnarface | craigevil, captain of the obvious |
| 03:19.07 | n1md4_ | gnarface: quite possibly 'modprobe ppa', |
| 03:19.44 | craigevil | and even then if you download and put the firmware on a flash drive the install over wifi still works |
| 03:19.52 | gnarface | n1md4_: hmm. ppa doesn't sound familiar but hey module names change. do your sources say ppa is what they use for ata floppies now? |
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| 03:21.24 | gnarface | craigevil: hey have you succeeded in a netboot/businesscard install over WPA or WPA2? if so you may know what sorressean needs. myself i would have just given up and changed the router settings or dug out an ethernet cable |
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| 03:21.41 | n1md4_ | gnarface: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/04/msg00256.html |
| 03:22.08 | n1md4_ | gnarface: nah, no difference! |
| 03:22.09 | gnarface | n1md4_: come on 1999??? |
| 03:22.10 | JoeHazzers | >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:49:05 -0800 (PST) |
| 03:22.12 | JoeHazzers | wayback |
| 03:22.38 | gnarface | n1md4_: class of 1999 is a great b-rate movie. its not a great place to get debian advice though |
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| 03:22.54 | JoeHazzers | oh god... some of these emails... skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk |
| 03:23.35 | gnarface | n1md4_: come on try harder. don't make me download and grep through the kernel source for you |
| 03:23.55 | JoeHazzers | it comforts me in knowing that people had the same issues as me over 13 years ago. |
| 03:24.26 | n1md4_ | gnarface: ha! It's a weakness of mine, I'm usually verbose, doesn't mean I'm not still trying though ;) |
| 03:25.17 | gnarface | n1md4_: just look for the ata floppy module. i'm *almost* sure its different from the normal floppy module but also 100% sure its not supported by any of the normal IDE/SATA drivers |
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| 03:26.25 | gnarface | n1md4_: and that's assuming your zip drive is one of the IDE ones like mine was (common with PC internal zip drives at the time) but if you're connected over scsi or parallel (also very common for zip drives) fuck if i even know what you're missing. maybe yours doesn't work cause its burnt out like mine for all i know |
| 03:27.37 | gnarface | n1md4_: google knows though, but you'd better at least know which BUS your zip is attached to |
| 03:28.00 | gnarface | sure as hell does not |
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| 03:28.27 | gnarface | heard the parallel-port ones are the ones that last longest |
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| 03:31.49 | gnarface | man |
| 03:31.50 | gnarface | zip drives |
| 03:31.54 | gnarface | that was a cool form factor |
| 03:32.06 | gnarface | i think it died prematurely |
| 03:32.23 | gnarface | the sound they made when you ejected them... |
| 03:32.28 | gnarface | so cool |
| 03:33.23 | gnarface | damn iomega and all their descendants |
| 03:33.42 | Lns | iomega's products were riddled with flaws unfortunately |
| 03:33.55 | gnarface | we all know Lns |
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| 03:34.21 | gnarface | doesn't mean the form factor wasn't cool |
| 03:34.22 | Lns | we all do? |
| 03:34.35 | gnarface | Lns: yes, we *all* do |
| 03:34.49 | Lns | notes that gnarface is psychic ;) |
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| 03:36.24 | gnarface | so it is written |
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| 03:41.32 | Alex-Musicman | woww.. compile that take a good time.... |
| 03:41.42 | JoeHazzers | hrm, i'm having the same weird problem that xeberdee had |
| 03:42.16 | JoeHazzers | i suddenly can't grab a file from the mirrors while configuring the package manager |
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| 03:43.29 | Alex-Musicman | os[Linux 2.6.33.7.2-rt30-1-686 i686] distro[Debian 6.0.5] cpu[1 x AMD Sempron(tm) 2200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.50GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 50.2% free] disk[Total: 108.4GB, 15.6% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]] sound[EMU10K1 - SB Live! 5.1 [SB0220]] |
| 03:44.00 | Alex-Musicman | my cpu is a bit old... |
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| 03:48.59 | briankb | with fusecompress, how do I set compression level? the options are different than what is documented on the official website wiki. e.g. fusecompress -c lzma -l 7 (vs) fusecompress -o fc_mc:lzma |
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| 03:49.37 | hash | so i have a computer tht wont let me install antix its giving me a bunch of errors about the drive not existing it has debian installed could i just run sudo mkfs.ext3 then install it |
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| 03:50.12 | engla | briankb: doesn't --help tell it correctly? |
| 03:50.13 | briankb | _oh_ I'm using 2.x, the document I'm looking at is for 0.9 |
| 03:50.18 | briankb | my mistake |
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| 03:51.02 | briankb | engla: it doesn't mention levels, but I'm probably going to switch to 0.9x |
| 03:51.19 | engla | fusecompress 0.9 says -l 7 is the way |
| 03:51.25 | briankb | yeah |
| 03:51.40 | engla | fusecompress has been removed from testing/sid it seems |
| 03:52.00 | briankb | I got 2.x from one of my repos, not sure which |
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| 03:52.41 | engla | check the fusecompress website I guess it will cheer you up |
| 03:52.57 | engla | "This is the legacy C implementation of FuseCompress (0.9.x tree). It performs slightly less well than the current one implemented in C++ (1.99.x tree), but does not exhibit flaws such as data corruption or files growing larger and larger that make the current code (as of July 17 2008) unusable in a production environment. " |
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| 03:53.45 | briankb | yeah |
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| 03:54.22 | hash | so i have a computer tht wont let me install antix its giving me a bunch of errors about the drive not existing it has debian installed could i just run sudo mkfs.ext3 then install it |
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| 03:56.19 | somiaj | hash: yes you can create the partion and filesystem for the install form linux. If that will help your issue with antix you may want to seek out their support. |
| 03:56.32 | engla | ABB: oh come on, choose a better nick |
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| 04:03.02 | hash | somiaj: i wanna completely remove debian and i dont think theres anyone in the antix support channel |
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| 04:05.53 | johnfg_ | i'm running squeeze. How can I get the debian-handbook, which they say is in unstable, and thus it can be installed apt-get install debian-handbook? |
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| 04:07.17 | hash | http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 04:10.49 | johnfg_ | hash, Yeah, I saw that, and know I can read it online. But I don't see how that gives instruction on how to install it in squeeze. |
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| 04:13.41 | craigevil | johnfg_, just download the .deb |
| 04:15.22 | craigevil | johnfg_, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-handbook/debian-handbook_6.0+20120509_all.deb |
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| 04:16.44 | hash | theres a pdf there |
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| 04:19.07 | briankb | heck yes! fusecompress 0.9 is awesome |
| 04:19.49 | lru | briankb: what does it do? |
| 04:20.13 | briankb | creates a transparent compression layer on a mount point |
| 04:20.43 | briankb | useful if, say for instance you want to compress data automatically before you send it somewhere for backup |
| 04:20.50 | lru | is it possible to mount a tarball these days? |
| 04:20.57 | lru | ahh, cool |
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| 04:21.23 | briankb | I stacked it on encfs, and send it off to an Amazon S3 using s3fs :-) |
| 04:21.39 | lru | :-) |
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| 04:23.41 | engla | lru: should be possible to mount tarballs, maybe avfs? Don't know the best method |
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| 04:24.56 | lru | engla: thanks |
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| 05:12.22 | KeatonT | The beaglebone seems to run faster with Debian installed. |
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| 05:14.34 | KeatonT | mmm kerberos :) |
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| 05:17.46 | Aaron_` | I ma trying to set up a FTP server on a windows box (It works) and connect to it from my linux box across the internet. However, it connects, but as soon as I go to do something on the linux machine ftp command my set server tells me it enters passive mode, then times out. |
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| 05:21.09 | Aaron_` | A simple FTP server, and I have been fighting for 2 hours, PLEASE! \ |
| 05:21.42 | KeatonT | Aaron_` let me read what you typed originally and I'll try to help. |
| 05:22.28 | KeatonT | okay so as soon as it enters passive mode it timesout? |
| 05:23.16 | KeatonT | what ftp server are you usign? |
| 05:23.18 | KeatonT | using* |
| 05:24.00 | Aaron_` | Filezilla. Its runnign on windows. When I use windows firefox to connect, its fine |
| 05:24.20 | ajaykools | Hi, I want to chang my key map, every time I boot. I have the xmodmap command with me, where should I be adding the command, so that it executes every time I boot? |
| 05:24.40 | lru | Filezilla is a client |
| 05:24.41 | KeatonT | http://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Network_Configuration |
| 05:24.51 | Aaron_` | When I use the FTP command in linux, I connect, enter the username and password, all is good untill i try and transfer a file, or list a directory |
| 05:25.10 | lru | oops, sorry, there's a server too... nevermind :-) |
| 05:25.20 | Aaron_` | KeatonT: The problem isn't filezilla. I can connect using windows, just not linux |
| 05:25.43 | KeatonT | it's a firewall or port forwarding issue. |
| 05:25.52 | KeatonT | when entering passive mode the connection is dropped. |
| 05:26.26 | Aaron_` | No, its not dropped, it just stalls. Now remember, I use a windows machine, it works. I use a linux, it doesn't |
| 05:27.00 | Aaron_` | Are you saying that in order to connect with linux, the FTP server needs to be set up differently then if I want to connect from windows? |
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| 05:27.36 | lru | when you test with windows, are you using the same machine, or do you have two windows machines to test with? |
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| 05:28.04 | Aaron_` | Two machines. Both however are located on the same router at a seperate location. |
| 05:28.28 | Aaron_` | The server is set up at home, and the windows and linux are set up at work. Very small network. |
| 05:28.35 | dizzylizzy | tracker-* D: |
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| 05:30.25 | lru | does your home server accept connections on any port? |
| 05:30.43 | Aaron_` | A s[ecific non stardard port |
| 05:31.11 | Aaron_` | Here is what I do on linux: open <address> <port> @ <username> @ <password> @ passive @ ls |
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| 05:31.41 | Aaron_` | Linux responce is:227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,199,117,59) @ ftp: connect: Connection timed out |
| 05:32.07 | nsadmin | oh, using ftp/ftpd |
| 05:32.16 | Aaron_` | Server responce is (000020)5/16/2012 1:29:55 AM - wowserver (209.91.139.199)> PASV @ (000020)5/16/2012 1:29:55 AM - wowserver (209.91.139.199)> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,199,117,59) |
| 05:32.28 | Aaron_` | nsadmin: Talking to me? |
| 05:32.33 | nsadmin | are you aware that under ftp, passwords are sent in cleartext? |
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| 05:33.27 | Aaron_` | nsadmin: Yes. a) The files that are being sent do not need to be secure. b) Setting up whatever the other recomdedned method seems to elude me |
| 05:33.45 | Aaron_` | or rather, the files that are accessable from the ftp server do not need to be secure. |
| 05:34.20 | Aaron_` | Is perhaps "FTP" under linux defective? |
| 05:34.26 | mongo | Aaron_`: the issue tends to be that people reuse passwords |
| 05:34.40 | Aaron_` | No, its a random unique password to this server alone |
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| 05:35.20 | mongo | I don't think I could be talked into putting a new ftp server on the internet |
| 05:35.23 | nsadmin | as long as you're aware of the issues |
| 05:35.58 | nsadmin | some people can't be talked out of it |
| 05:36.01 | Aaron_` | I am willing to use scp, if someone is willing to help me set up a server on a windows box. I just, well, needed to be in bed 1 1/2 hours ago. |
| 05:36.24 | Aaron_` | I honestly don't care if the linux box send the files by carrier pidgon. |
| 05:36.53 | Aaron_` | Its just a nightly off site backup. |
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| 05:37.08 | lru | is your port 30011? |
| 05:37.18 | Aaron_` | no. |
| 05:37.22 | nsadmin | setting anything up on a windows box isn;t the purview here... you might try #windows for that |
| 05:37.25 | lru | 15221? |
| 05:37.42 | lru | that PASV command is indicating a port, and it's one of those two I think |
| 05:37.44 | Aaron_` | no. Those are ports for games |
| 05:38.00 | Aaron_` | passive is set to 30000-30100 |
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| 05:38.15 | Aaron_` | and again, remember, this works, and enters passive mode just fine using windows. |
| 05:38.28 | lru | yes, you've said that quite often enough :-) |
| 05:38.42 | KeatonT | Aaron_` when your testing with the windows machine it is on the same internal network right? |
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| 05:39.06 | Aaron_` | Sorry, you just have NO idea how much time I have wasted trying to get things working on Linux that I could have had working on windows in like an hour. |
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| 05:39.30 | Aaron_` | KeatonT: Yes. But it wasn't even attempted untill after many many failed attempts with linux |
| 05:39.44 | queue1 | the learning curve with linux is indeed high |
| 05:39.50 | lru | have you disabled any firewall on linux, just to rule that out? |
| 05:39.50 | queue1 | however it is free |
| 05:39.57 | queue1 | and you have access to the source code |
| 05:40.15 | Aaron_` | lru: I would have NO idea how to do that |
| 05:41.33 | Aaron_` | queue1: No, its not high, its fuckign insane. 15 hours to fix grub. Windows, 10 minuets to fix the loader. |
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| 05:42.21 | Aaron_` | I still say linux needs a "fix" command that will accept the aurument "stupid thing" |
| 05:42.29 | lru | what is 192.168.0.199? |
| 05:42.48 | lru | is that your linux machine at work? |
| 05:42.56 | Aaron_` | Internal IP of windows machine |
| 05:43.03 | lru | at home? |
| 05:43.06 | Aaron_` | I am at home now. |
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| 05:43.11 | Aaron_` | So yes. |
| 05:43.26 | lru | and 209.91.139.199 is the IP of windows at home? |
| 05:43.50 | Aaron_` | No. I have no idea what that IP is. |
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| 05:44.27 | Aaron_` | Wait, that work. |
| 05:44.54 | Aaron_` | Curious how you got that IP to be hnest ;) |
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| 05:45.03 | lru | you posted it in the FTP messages above |
| 05:45.15 | lru | I'm guessing it is your public internet IP of the windows machine |
| 05:45.17 | blakcshirt | What best between security framework in linux kernel? |
| 05:45.32 | lru | 192.168.0.x addresses are internal, and work won't be able to reach them , unless you're using some VPN |
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| 05:46.48 | Aaron_` | Lol, yea, okay.. ;) 209.... is address at work. 173.... is address at home. 192.168.0.199 is internal IP at home. On linux I connect to 173.... |
| 05:47.22 | Aaron_` | So, to clerify, the windows machine at work, and the linux machine at work have the SAME external IP, 209...... |
| 05:47.48 | blakcshirt | That true |
| 05:48.20 | blakcshirt | You should do nating |
| 05:48.50 | Aaron_` | lru: So, any ideas why Windows works, but not Linux? |
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| 05:52.39 | lru | it's 173, right? or is it 172? |
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| 05:52.58 | Aaron_` | 173. If you whois me, thats the ip |
| 05:54.18 | lru | when you use windows to connect, are you sure you're using passive mode? or does it not say? |
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| 05:55.00 | Aaron_` | On windows it does not say, however it does say in the fliezilla window its in passive mode. I have also tried under linux NOT using passive mode. Then it just hangs |
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| 05:56.05 | lru | well, in passive mode, it is the server that is listening, so you don't want any 192.168.x addresses showing up, or work machines won't find them |
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| 05:56.37 | nsadmin | you have to make special arrangements to get ftp thru a nat |
| 05:56.37 | queue1 | what mode are you operating the ftp server in? |
| 05:56.43 | Aaron_` | lur: Again, passive, active, nucular warhead, I don't care, just need it to work. |
| 05:57.11 | Aaron_` | queue1: It is set to accept passive, but may accept active as well. |
| 05:57.17 | nsadmin | to kill a field mouse? |
| 05:57.29 | lru | in your filezilla settings, I'd set it to use "Retrieve external IP from" and uncheck "Don't use external IP for local connections" |
| 05:57.30 | queue1 | have you set up your router properly? |
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| 05:57.52 | queue1 | to forward the ports to your server's ip address |
| 05:58.16 | Aaron_` | queue1: If I didn't, the windows machine wouldn't work. |
| 05:58.49 | queue1 | you can only forward a port to 1 internal host, generally speaking |
| 05:59.02 | Aaron_` | lru: Now, I can't close the connection, cause it hangs, I can't exit FTP cause I am connected, but the server has already dropped the connection.. WTF? |
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| 05:59.50 | Adelai_Niska | has anyone used LFS |
| 06:00.23 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:00.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:00.27 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 06:00.27 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 06:01.10 | Aaron_` | lru: I have set up a test account, if you wanna try this for yourself, cause it still isn't working. |
| 06:01.19 | lru | Aaron_`: sure |
| 06:01.26 | queue1 | aaron you could do tcpdump -i eth0 (or whatever your interface is on linux) to record the traffic then view it in wireshark to get a better understanding of whats going wrong |
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| 06:03.15 | lru | Aaron_`: yeah, your server is giving me a 192.168.0.199 address... I can't get tehre from here |
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| 06:04.36 | simonlnu | sounds like D/SNAT isn't set up properly |
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| 06:34.39 | lru | summary: Aaron_`'s problem turned out to be Filezilla's IP detector website returning 127.0.0.1 instead of the proper external IP |
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| 06:39.50 | dizzylizzy | didn't there used to be a ( ) Developer option in the debian installer |
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| 06:40.08 | dizzylizzy | like along with all the print server / laptop / web server options |
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| 06:50.26 | craigevil | dizzylizzy, not that i have ever seen, but it is easy enough to install the dev packages needed |
| 06:50.39 | craigevil | take a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/tools.html |
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| 07:02.26 | cardamon | Huh. Okular pulls in vlc. |
| 07:03.07 | dizzylizzy | craigevil: I keep finding things I didn't know about :-/ like devscripts |
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| 07:03.23 | cardamon | dizzylizzy: That's what make life worth living. |
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| 07:05.06 | dizzylizzy | oh god i've been in screen too long o_o there's no right-click-open-link-in-browser option in lxterminal (which is fine and probably preferable) so i copied it and when I opened iceweasel to paste i pasted with C-t ] |
| 07:05.50 | craigevil | dizzylizzy, install the developers-reference, maint-guide, debian-policy that should give you enough docs to get your pointed in the right direction |
| 07:06.39 | dizzylizzy | craigevil: i love you for that link |
| 07:07.08 | dizzylizzy | I've been reading debian-policy |
| 07:07.27 | craigevil | and the debian-handbook |
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| 07:23.52 | Bryan | Hello I am new to debian and I am having problems trying to install emacs, I tried apt-get install emacs but it cannot find the package. |
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| 07:25.40 | dizzylizzy | Bryan: I would recommend running 'apt-get update' and trying again. If that does not work, run 'apt-cache search -n emacs' |
| 07:25.44 | dizzylizzy | and see what packages come up |
| 07:25.47 | jelly-home | ,versions emacs |
| 07:25.48 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- lenny: 22.2+2-5; lenny-backports: 23.1+1-4~bpo50+1; sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7; sid: 23.4+1-3; wheezy: 23.4+1-3 |
| 07:26.34 | dizzylizzy | also, it's preferred to run 'aptitude install PKGNAME' generally |
| 07:26.37 | jelly-home | Bryan: please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Which debian release are you using? |
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| 07:26.51 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 07:26.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:27.25 | craigevil | i betting he didnt confiure his sources during install and only has security |
| 07:27.46 | dizzylizzy | craigevil: that can happen?? |
| 07:28.03 | dizzylizzy | on expert-mode, I'm guessing? |
| 07:30.10 | craigevil | if you use cd-1 or dvd-1 you can still install(prob with onthers), but without net it normally comments everything but security |
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| 07:31.35 | Bryan | -.- keeps saying permission denied when I try accessing /etc/apt/sources.list even thought I am running console as super user. |
| 07:31.47 | Bryan | though* |
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| 07:33.52 | jelly-home | Bryan: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to display its contents. If you write the path by itself, you're trying to execute the file. |
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| 07:34.25 | jelly-home | Bryan: it's not a program and it does not have exuctable permissions, so the kernel does not let you do that |
| 07:34.39 | jelly-home | executable* |
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| 07:37.22 | Bryan | http://www.pastebin.com/apPM226y |
| 07:37.52 | jelly-home | yeah, you're missing the main mirror entry, Bryan |
| 07:37.59 | jelly-home | !squeeze sources.list |
| 07:37.59 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 07:38.16 | jelly-home | Bryan: add that cdn line to the file using an editor |
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| 07:42.30 | BuisSse | How to check Ram Usage |
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| 07:42.39 | BuisSse | I have installed debian with squid |
| 07:42.45 | BuisSse | squid shows only 189MB |
| 07:42.56 | BuisSse | and i have only 50MB free ot of my 2GB RAM |
| 07:43.26 | cace | hi guys, i have a debian box that doesn't have a gfx card, and i have attached a usbvga device, from dmesg i can see that it is detected, but i get no output, what do i need to do to get debian to use the new device as its primary screen? |
| 07:44.18 | jelly-home | BuisSse: /msg dpkg free ram |
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| 07:45.59 | Bryan | Wont let me edit told me I didnt have permissions, so I tired running it as super user in console and said it could not find java run time ( using Office ) but when I ran as user I could open it fine via console. |
| 07:46.38 | jelly-home | Bryan: use a terminal-based editor, like nano |
| 07:46.40 | craigevil | Bryan, su hitenter, type root password, nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:47.59 | jelly-home | Bryan: or just append the line to the current file: echo "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:50.16 | Bryan | alright I just added !squeeze sources.list and man sources.list |
| 07:51.13 | Bryan | what format do I save it as.. |
| 07:51.20 | jelly-home | format?" |
| 07:51.38 | jelly-home | it's a text file, what did you open it with |
| 07:51.43 | Bryan | nano |
| 07:52.08 | jelly-home | does it ask for a format? I haven't used that thing in years |
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| 07:52.29 | Bryan | hit ^x asked if I wanted to save buffer |
| 07:52.33 | Bryan | I hit y |
| 07:52.46 | Bryan | now its asking for what format I want to save it as |
| 07:52.53 | craigevil | ctrl+o writes to the file, then hit enter, ctrl+x exits |
| 07:52.59 | sauvin | Nano is just a no-frills text editor. |
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| 07:54.02 | jelly-home | Bryan: mine just asks "File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list" and the correct answer is pressing enter |
| 07:54.05 | Bryan | still gives me the same error when trying to install emacs... |
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| 07:54.26 | jelly-home | Bryan: did you run an apt-get update after adding the repo? |
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| 07:54.57 | Bryan | woops forgot to, says !squeez is not know |
| 07:55.05 | Bryan | !squeeze* |
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| 07:57.16 | dizzylizzy | not supposed to have an explanation point |
| 07:57.17 | dizzylizzy | hmm |
| 07:57.28 | dizzylizzy | exclaimation* |
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| 07:59.43 | dizzylizzy | Bryan: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=show&redirect=sources.list |
| 07:59.56 | jelly-home | Bryan: you were supposed to add "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" witohut quotes, on a separate line, nothing more, nothing less |
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| 08:00.13 | dizzylizzy | there is an example of what a sources.list file for squeeze would look like on that page |
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| 08:01.10 | dizzylizzy | You would want to replace the "br" in the sequence "ftp.br.debian.org" with your own country code. I have 'us', so mine reads ftp.us.debian for those parts |
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| 08:04.27 | dizzylizzy | Wait, if Bry has gnome installed why not use the sources editor and synaptic |
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| 08:07.47 | Bryan | still getting the error |
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| 08:09.57 | jelly-home | Bryan: pastebin the command you're running, its whole output, and your current sources.list |
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| 08:11.41 | toast1 | i just installed redmine |
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| 08:11.51 | toast1 | and am having some problem with apache2 |
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| 08:12.00 | toast1 | i have done ln -s /usr/share/redmine/public /var/www/redmine |
| 08:12.16 | toast1 | however when i log in it redirects me to localhost/ |
| 08:12.16 | Bryan | http://www.pastebin.com/WTmd8ktx |
| 08:12.22 | toast1 | rather than staying at localhost/redmine |
| 08:12.28 | toast1 | in my browser |
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| 08:13.38 | toast1 | im fairly certain it has something to do with my vhost file |
| 08:13.47 | toast1 | well the file in sites-available |
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| 08:14.10 | toast1 | which mearly says RailsBaseURI /redmine |
| 08:14.22 | toast1 | im sure there is more to this file which i must modify |
| 08:14.27 | toast1 | but i am lost |
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| 08:16.17 | dizzylizzy | Bryan: and you *did* run apt-get update after changing the sources.list file? Remember to run 'apt-get update' every time you change that file |
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| 08:16.58 | Bryan | yep |
| 08:16.58 | dizzylizzy | because that looks like an awesome sources.list to me |
| 08:17.34 | dizzylizzy | did you try 'apt-cache search -n emacs' ? |
| 08:17.47 | dizzylizzy | that will give you a list of all packages available with emacs in the name |
| 08:18.15 | jelly-home | Bryan: your lines 13 and 14 are not correct. line 13 is missing "debian" after "http://ftp.us.debian.org/" (no space!), line 14 has an extra space between "http://ftp.us.debian.org/" and "debian" |
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| 08:18.30 | toast1 | evil spaces |
| 08:18.34 | dizzylizzy | awe snap, I tried to compare 'em and I must have missed that |
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| 08:19.11 | jelly-home | Bryan, dizzylizzy: just compare with lines 10-11, and replace "squeeze-updates" with "squeeze" |
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| 08:19.45 | jelly-home | Bryan: oh, line 11 is missing the last character "s" in "squeeze-updates" as well |
| 08:19.52 | dizzylizzy | Awe, yup |
| 08:20.08 | jelly-home | copy/paste ftw |
| 08:20.36 | jelly-home | Bryan: while you're at it, comment out line 5 |
| 08:20.37 | toast1 | so |
| 08:21.02 | toast1 | after authenticating to my http://localhost/redmine my browser is redirected to http://localhost/ |
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| 08:21.22 | toast1 | instead of redirecting to http://localhost/redmine |
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| 08:21.45 | Bryan | well I am running it in a vm and chatting on windows 0.o, updated but I got some errors updating sources.gz 404 not found, binary-i386/packages.gz 404 not found |
| 08:22.32 | toast1 | should i have more in my /etc/apache2/sites-available/redmine other than the single line containing: RailsBaseURI /redmine |
| 08:22.45 | dizzylizzy | At one point I had set up lighttp to do something like that redirect all requests to localhost to just empty nothingness (my index.html at /) |
| 08:23.03 | toast1 | maybe this is something to ask in #httpd? |
| 08:23.26 | dizzylizzy | or wait, no, I just had it say "content totally found" |
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| 08:24.15 | toast1 | maybe DocumentRoot command needs to be in my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/redmine file? |
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| 08:26.33 | toast1 | adding DocumentRoot /var/www/redmine did not work |
| 08:27.08 | dizzylizzy | the goal being that the contents of /redmine be at / ? |
| 08:27.37 | toast1 | redmine runs on ruby |
| 08:27.49 | toast1 | it lives in /usr/share/redmine/public |
| 08:27.51 | dizzylizzy | I saw that in the apt-cache show :-/ |
| 08:28.01 | toast1 | which is symlinked to /var/www/redmine |
| 08:28.21 | dizzylizzy | what I meant was, localhost/redmine be now accessed at localhost/ |
| 08:28.28 | dizzylizzy | I don't know what I'm talking about |
| 08:28.30 | toast1 | and has a file in sites-available called redmine |
| 08:28.30 | toast1 | oh |
| 08:28.34 | toast1 | lol |
| 08:28.35 | dizzylizzy | I have not had very much luck with extra configuration of apache |
| 08:28.42 | toast1 | yeah once i log in and authenticate in redmine |
| 08:28.51 | toast1 | it reloads the page im assuming |
| 08:29.04 | toast1 | but then i keep getting sent to just http://localhost/ |
| 08:29.09 | toast1 | rather than http://localhost/redmine |
| 08:29.18 | dizzylizzy | :D |
| 08:29.20 | dizzylizzy | I have good news! |
| 08:29.23 | dizzylizzy | there is a channel, #redmine |
| 08:29.32 | toast1 | nice |
| 08:29.58 | dizzylizzy | I saw what the package was supposed to do and was like "okaay there HAS to be a community that loves this, there's always ruby fanatics congregating" |
| 08:31.31 | toast1 | i think its an apache config problem |
| 08:31.34 | toast1 | not really redmine |
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| 08:31.40 | toast1 | cuz im a noob |
| 08:31.41 | dizzylizzy | It sounds like it |
| 08:31.51 | dizzylizzy | sounds like a redirection caused by the web server |
| 08:33.10 | loxley | Do we have any ftpmaster at debian here? |
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| 08:33.42 | siyb | i am looking at bacula and rdiff now |
| 08:34.13 | intore | Hi, i can't mount the users home directory from a ldap-samba server on the clients at login time. i installed pam_mount but the configuration is not correct i think. I want that the user home directory in /users/username on the server will be mount on the client on /home/username. this is the command-output and the pam_mount.conf.: http://paste.debian.net/169030/ |
| 08:34.42 | Bryan | I am just going to pick a diffrent distro... Thanks anyway |
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| 08:35.08 | dizzylizzy | Bryan: usually this can be configured graphically |
| 08:35.10 | dizzylizzy | if you installed GNOME |
| 08:35.34 | dizzylizzy | loxley: If you connect to irc.debian.org and join #debian-ftp |
| 08:35.39 | dizzylizzy | that's where ftpmasters hang out |
| 08:36.01 | loxley | dizzylizzy: thanks |
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| 08:37.51 | bazik | any idea whats up with cdimage.debian.org ? |
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| 08:39.04 | Sillencer | Can someone help me, my server works as a gateway, how can I block a certain website? on the server is also apache, so there is a problem with installing squid... Any other methods ?? |
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| 08:41.17 | maurer | Sillencer: If you don't want any access to that server, not just the website, you could add a null route for its IP |
| 08:42.10 | maurer | Sillencer: The problem otherwise it is that you are running a gateway, which is only supposed to be thinking about where to send IP packets it gets sent. It for the most part doesn't know much about DNS or HTTP for "blocking a website" |
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| 08:43.12 | maurer | Sillencer: Also, that said, think carefully before you block a website. I don't know the context, and I'll let you do your job, but trying to cut people off in that way usually has negative reprecussions. |
| 08:43.45 | Sillencer | I need to block a certain social website |
| 08:44.04 | Sillencer | i tryied with iptables, but it's not a good solution |
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| 08:44.51 | maurer | Sillencer: So, you're going to have to define what you mean by website to actually do that. If you want to do it at the HTTP traffic level, you'll want something like squid - your gateway doesn't actually speak http |
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| 08:45.06 | maurer | (note squid can run on alternate ports, so you can actually run it on the same machine as apache) |
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| 08:45.39 | Sillencer | yes, but I tried running it as a transparent proxy, and got some problems with apace |
| 08:45.42 | Sillencer | yes, but I tried running it as a transparent proxy, and got some problems with apache |
| 08:45.53 | Sillencer | was thinking maybe there is something else |
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| 08:46.25 | maurer | ...some problems isn't very descriptive |
| 08:47.08 | Sillencer | it was some time ago |
| 08:47.30 | Sillencer | they both needed port 80 I think, apache and squid |
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| 08:47.43 | maurer | Sillencer: They both _default_ to that port |
| 08:47.47 | maurer | but you can tell squid to run on 8080 |
| 08:47.50 | maurer | or some other port |
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| 08:48.19 | Sillencer | i was trying to force all traffic through squid... |
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| 08:49.01 | maurer | Sillencer: Yes, but that doesn't mean it needs to run on port 80 |
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| 08:49.06 | Sillencer | maybe I should try again, and get back |
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| 08:49.15 | guardian | hi |
| 08:49.19 | guardian | just got "kernel:[ 1073.019525] Disabling IRQ #16" |
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| 08:49.26 | guardian | what should I think of it? |
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| 08:49.53 | maurer | I mean, I have personally seen squid and apache running in a setup doing what you described at my old high school (squid logged accesses, apache served the school's website) and it worked fine. |
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| 08:50.28 | maurer | Note though, that when they tried blocking websites, it didn't work at all (and you will run into this issue as well) because there are a wide variety of websites which will bounce your connection through their server. |
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| 08:51.07 | maurer | And students will just use these instead, making things so that they will not only be using social networks, but their data will be being viewed by sketchy third parties. |
| 08:51.22 | maurer | Should this fail, people will start running wifi hotspots on their phones. |
| 08:51.31 | maurer | Essentially, |
| 08:51.36 | Sillencer | yes, I know :) |
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| 08:51.44 | maurer | Sillencer: Then why bother? |
| 08:51.44 | Sillencer | I know that... |
| 08:51.53 | Sillencer | cause I was asked to do that |
| 08:51.56 | dizzylizzy | it's just what admins do |
| 08:52.02 | dizzylizzy | ya :-/ part of the job description it seems |
| 08:52.05 | Sillencer | I explained them all this, but still |
| 08:52.26 | dizzylizzy | schools censor content, always have always will |
| 08:52.32 | maurer | Sillencer: Well, if you don't need to be effective, but just look effective, there's an easier way |
| 08:52.34 | Sillencer | they said at least as a psychological measure |
| 08:52.50 | toast1 | jam the 2.4 mhz band |
| 08:53.02 | maurer | Sillencer: Just add a record to the local dns server redirecting facebook.com or whatever you're blocking to a local apache instance |
| 08:53.09 | maurer | That serves a "this page is blocked" page |
| 08:53.23 | maurer | it won't actually block anything, but to anyone trying to test "is this blocked" it'll sure look blocked |
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| 08:53.42 | Sillencer | yes, i know |
| 08:53.47 | toast1 | you could block facebooks netblock |
| 08:53.50 | Sillencer | but I need to block only one PC |
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| 08:54.17 | maurer | Sillencer: Then it's even easier. |
| 08:54.25 | maurer | Sillencer: use /etc/hosts or the lmhosts file depending on OS |
| 08:54.31 | maurer | (to do the DNS override) |
| 08:54.53 | toast1 | edit iptables and add a rule to block facebook's netblock when the source ip = that computer you want it blocked on |
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| 08:55.31 | Sillencer | actually one IP, of a router, cause here are 3 small companyes, and need to block one |
| 08:55.50 | Sillencer | it's not facebook, it's another, and the IP block doesn't work well |
| 08:56.00 | toast1 | ah |
| 08:56.03 | maurer | Well, sure, I was just giving example domains |
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| 08:56.26 | Sillencer | tnx for all your help "_ |
| 08:56.32 | Sillencer | :) |
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| 09:00.18 | grey_gandalf | Hi all |
| 09:00.34 | grey_gandalf | does yavor doganov show up here ? |
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| 09:00.46 | grey_gandalf | or any other gnustep packagemaintainers? |
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| 09:04.28 | nkuttler | grey_gandalf: if you know his irc handle you can ask the bot |
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| 09:08.42 | hanibana | As a Linux sysadmin, I'm dealing with lots of informations, contacts, technical documents, and ... What knowledge management system you suggest to organize all of these, as a whole, which give easy and quick access to these kinds of information...? |
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| 09:10.32 | Burps | Hi : I just setup PXE install with 6.0.5, and when installing a new box, I have a "no space left on device" error : http://paste.scsys.co.uk/197845 |
| 09:10.55 | Burps | What's wrong with my setup ? |
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| 09:12.23 | intore | anyone knows pam_mount? |
| 09:12.55 | grey_gandalf | nkuttler: no, I don't. he is a dd |
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| 09:15.25 | Burps | ok forget my question : /slash is 46 Mb, instead of Gb :( |
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| 09:19.35 | dokma|2 | how do I pass an option to configure that dpkg-buildpackage will invoke? |
| 09:19.55 | ptrkmj | i did an netinst install. can i use dvd installer to install additional tasks only? |
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| 09:22.59 | tralala | ptrkmj, sure |
| 09:23.09 | tralala | see apt-cdrom |
| 09:23.46 | ptrkmj | tralala: so i should not use debian-installer for that? |
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| 09:24.34 | tralala | oh, no - there's no need to use the installer again |
| 09:24.36 | dizzylizzy | dokma: I would probably put it in the debian/rules file of the source package |
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| 09:24.47 | tralala | just add the dvd as a source and run tasksel |
| 09:24.52 | dokma | dizzylizzy: yup, that's where it wa |
| 09:24.55 | dokma | was |
| 09:24.59 | ptrkmj | tralala: got it |
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| 09:28.54 | dezent | i am running into this problem "segfault at 0 ip 00007f871b1e81fc sp 00007fff691d9fe0 error 4 in libldap_r-2.4.so.2.8.1" - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666230 .. is there any way i could circumvent this? |
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| 09:31.39 | babilen_ | dezent: Don't run testing/sid or add the proposed patch to the Debian package and recompile (/msg dpkg package recompile ; /msg dpkg nmg) |
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| 09:32.38 | dezent | babilen_: squeeze had very old stuff, first time running testing in years |
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| 09:35.01 | babilen_ | dezent: You can always use backports on stable (/msg dpkg ssb) and it is expected that testing breaks and that it doesn't receive any security support. I would recommend to try the proposed patch (after reviewing the code) and commenting on the bug. That way this bug might be fixed (in unstable) soonish. |
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| 09:36.22 | dezent | babilen: i will give it a try |
| 09:36.26 | dezent | babilen: thank you |
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| 09:39.07 | babilen | dezent: Please also note that #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) is our testing/unstable support channel. I'd also recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as a lot of tips apply to testing as well (e.g. apt-listbugs) |
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| 09:48.33 | Zilvis_ | Hi. Does anybody have experience with "HP Power Manager" and squeeze (amd64) ? |
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| 09:53.05 | Aprendiz_ | hi all |
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| 09:53.41 | Aprendiz_ | I have problems upgrading to squeeze |
| 09:54.08 | Aprendiz_ | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server: |
| 09:54.08 | dpkg | aprendiz_: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 09:54.46 | Aprendiz_ | http://pastebin.com/kJfxTuDU |
| 09:55.08 | Aprendiz_ | I think is something with exim4 because before appear problems with dependencies |
| 09:55.32 | Aprendiz_ | any idea? |
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| 09:55.45 | uwjweq | Can you repeat that in english please? |
| 09:56.31 | babilen | Aprendiz_: Do you follow the release notes? At which step (exactly) does this error occur? Could you please paste to http://paste.debian.net and not to pastebin.com ? (or any other site than pastebin.com really) |
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| 09:58.55 | Aprendiz_ | babilen: next upgraded I have problems with mysql and exim4 packages that is partially installed, when I tried to repair: http://pastebin.com/kJfxTuDU |
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| 10:01.20 | Coweater | Aprendiz_: run 'apt-get install mysql-server-5.1' |
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| 10:02.51 | Aprendiz_ | Coweater: the same, try to restart mysql and failed :( |
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| 10:04.56 | babilen | !tell Aprendiz_ -about mysql squeeze |
| 10:05.15 | babilen | Aprendiz_: Still: Do you follow the release notes for the upgrade? At which step exactly do you run into this problem? |
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| 10:07.31 | Aprendiz_ | babilen: you right, I have delete my.cnf |
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| 10:08.28 | Aprendiz_ | now it is working |
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| 10:12.11 | babilen | Aprendiz_: Wonderful - Enjoy! |
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| 10:17.33 | Aprendiz_ | babilen: excuse me again, I have revert to mysql 5.0? |
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| 10:18.04 | Aprendiz_ | or would I lose the data from mysql databases? |
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| 10:27.47 | _melvin_ | Hi. on aptitude upgrade i see something like 30 packages not upgraded. how can i find out what packages that are? |
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| 10:28.20 | babilen | !tell _melvin_ -about bat |
| 10:28.49 | babilen | _melvin_: Please also make sure that you understand the difference between "aptitude upgrade" / "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 10:28.59 | babilen | "aptitude full-upgrade" |
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| 10:43.53 | koobs | Anyone had issues with bind9 intermittently hanging or dropping requests, or no longer successfully answering requests ? |
| 10:44.41 | Woet | why are you using bind? don't you care about security? |
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| 10:46.09 | toast1 | what should you use instead of bind? |
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| 10:46.36 | koobs | kinda off topic, but powerdns, maradns, among others |
| 10:46.58 | toast1 | is maradns in apt? |
| 10:47.14 | koobs | just source install all the things |
| 10:47.18 | koobs | *rolls eyes* |
| 10:47.31 | koobs | mmm bts search also blows, brb |
| 10:49.23 | syslq | koobs: tinydns |
| 10:49.31 | syslq | it's nice & very easy to set up |
| 10:50.05 | koobs | im not going to bite. |
| 10:50.08 | petemc | Woet: how precisely is bind not secure? |
| 10:50.33 | koobs | petemc; theres just been plenty of security advisories for it since it gave birth |
| 10:50.39 | petemc | and? |
| 10:50.49 | koobs | im just saying |
| 10:50.52 | koobs | its not a valid argument |
| 10:50.57 | Woet | petemc: because it has had thousands of more exploits than all other DNS servers/recursors combined. |
| 10:50.59 | petemc | which software hasnt had security advisories? |
| 10:51.01 | koobs | the root servers run it, on freebsd, end game. |
| 10:51.10 | koobs | exactly, im not arguing against what youre saying :) |
| 10:51.21 | petemc | i use bind and have been pen tested plenty, never any issues if its up to date |
| 10:51.34 | koobs | ANYWAY :) is anyone aware of (or experienced themselves) bind9 dying for no apparent reason? |
| 10:51.46 | petemc | koobs: do you see anything in the logs? |
| 10:51.47 | koobs | and by dying i mean not answering queries, but not segfaulting |
| 10:51.54 | koobs | petemc; if i did i wouldnt be here :) |
| 10:51.56 | petemc | koobs: rndc querylog |
| 10:52.05 | petemc | that will toggle verbose query logging |
| 10:52.06 | koobs | i see standard ipv6 recursion issues, but um, nothing interesting |
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| 10:52.51 | The_Eccentric | for deb doyou need to have more space in /home or / ? |
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| 10:54.20 | The_Eccentric | nvm |
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| 10:54.52 | Zilvis_ | The_Eccentric, it depends. But I'd say /home |
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| 10:55.19 | The_Eccentric | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs02.html.en yeah found this |
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| 10:55.28 | The_Eccentric | coming from gentoo thats why I asked |
| 10:56.09 | petemc | shouldnt be a huge difference, depends on your use of the system |
| 10:56.13 | Zilvis_ | I have pretty tight space in my netbook ssd - only 4 gigs, but most if it is taken by /home dir |
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| 11:11.09 | Aprendiz_ | babilen: I have Stopping MySQL database server: mysqldERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' whe I restart mysql |
| 11:11.39 | Aprendiz_ | babilen: I don't know if I have problems due to upgrade from mysql-server-5.0 to 5.1, do you have any idea? |
| 11:11.59 | Aprendiz_ | babilen: It is like I have two mysql proccess |
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| 11:13.23 | secret_hamster | anyone used the sbd daemon in Debian. I'm trying to create an ocfs2 cluster but need STONITH, and the only method I have is sbd |
| 11:14.00 | secret_hamster | but I cannot find how to get it started automatically |
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| 11:16.35 | ChrisH | secret_hamster: without knowing sdb or ocfs2, why not using the standard /etc/rcX.d/Sxxscript way? |
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| 11:30.36 | secret_hamster | ChrisH, there is not a init.d script |
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| 11:30.54 | secret_hamster | the binary is on there, just no startup script |
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| 11:33.19 | seravitae | hi, how can i force install libssl-1.0.0 in squeeze? it's not in the package list. i have backports enabled |
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| 11:53.02 | ecksun | How do I install a 32-bit java on a AMD64 system? |
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| 11:56.01 | mjt | ecksun: you need ia32-libs package for this (on squeeze) |
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| 12:07.08 | npx | I have *THE* most annoying bug on my laptop; it seems like Flash partially steals the focus of my mouse and then claims all click events |
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| 12:09.38 | joltcan | npx: yeah, flash is nasty, seems to steal keyboard focus on most OSes as well (I always use ctrl+l for location field, which stops working) |
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| 12:10.13 | npx | it forces me to kill my entire browser session and then just wait for a minute |
| 12:10.26 | alcy | folks, is there a reason why group membership information for a user isn't refreshed in the current shell when executing say a touch command, if they are revoked from another shell ? |
| 12:11.10 | alcy | cant this pose a potential security risk ? |
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| 12:15.42 | ChrisH | joltcan: that flash behavoiur make me angry, too |
| 12:17.13 | The_Eccentric | anyone get Firefox to working in debiand |
| 12:17.43 | The_Eccentric | debian* 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:17.48 | ChrisH | alcy: AFAIK a process (here the shell) gets the credentials like UID, GID(s) during creation and can only add more groups. Removing groups from a process is not a known option to me. |
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| 12:18.09 | babilen | The_Eccentric: Firefox is not in Debian -- We package and ship iceweasel and you are expected to use that. Why do you want to use Firefox? |
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| 12:18.40 | The_Eccentric | b/c I've synced everything threw there all my bookmarks and tabs are in there |
| 12:19.00 | babilen | The_Eccentric: Iceweasel *is* Firefox % logo |
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| 12:19.10 | babilen | !tell The_Eccentric about iceweasel |
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| 12:19.14 | babilen | !tell The_Eccentric about mdn |
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| 12:19.40 | alcy | ChrisH: that's right, but cant that behavior pose potential problems ? |
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| 12:20.18 | The_Eccentric | so pretty much F firefox |
| 12:20.19 | babilen | The_Eccentric: Or ask in #firefox for FF support. There really is no reason to use it on Debian though as you can just as well install Iceweasel from the official repositories and enjoy the integration into the system. |
| 12:20.40 | babilen | The_Eccentric: Apart from the name and logo IW is FF, yes. |
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| 12:22.47 | Darmok- | i have some problem with those packet lobotomy.deb from squeeze |
| 12:22.59 | ChrisH | alcy: sure it can. But that the way UNIX is designed. You need to kill that process. |
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| 12:23.28 | alcy | ChrisH: yeah guess so regarding the design bit. |
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| 12:23.32 | babilen | Darmok-: AFAICT there is no lobotomy package in Debian. |
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| 12:28.46 | joltcan | DragonDon: netstat -anpt|grep 5900 |
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| 12:31.17 | DragonDon | thanks joltcan , for some stupid reason I didn't see it running when I went through the 'top' list of active programs. ugh. |
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| 12:38.11 | rgr | hmm, since my last stable update which took the kernel to 2.6.32-5 my machine is regularly locking up : totally dead. Needs a hard reset. |
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| 12:40.36 | vlade_imir | rgr: nothing in the logs ? |
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| 12:41.10 | abrotman | rgr: you tried to ssh in as well ? |
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| 12:41.14 | indystorm | I just installed debian 6 and I want to install firefox, but it does not come up in the software list. How do I get more software packages on debian 6? |
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| 12:41.26 | abrotman | indystorm: iceweasel |
| 12:41.50 | babilen | !tell indystorm -about iceweasel |
| 12:41.52 | rgr | yeah, its totally locked up. no ssh possible. pretty sure its not hw since it started directly after the update and reboot. |
| 12:41.53 | babilen | !tell indystorm -about mdn |
| 12:41.53 | indystorm | no, I have iceweasel- it was installed by default, I want to install firefox.... |
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| 12:42.09 | babilen | indystorm: Iceweasel *is* Firefox -- Why do you want firefox? |
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| 12:42.31 | rgr | because invariably firefox is a later version. |
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| 12:42.38 | indystorm | oh- I dunno- lol. I like the name? how is iceweseal firefox? |
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| 12:42.52 | rgr | its rebranded for debian to make it more "free". |
| 12:42.58 | indystorm | oh ok... |
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| 12:43.24 | abrotman | rgr: that's not really why |
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| 12:43.36 | abrotman | !tell rgr about why iceweasel |
| 12:43.47 | babilen | indystorm: And you can install the newest releases/beta/aurora version from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 12:43.54 | rgr | exactly what I said. |
| 12:44.01 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 12:44.10 | indystorm | OK, so I goto speedtest.net and the flash player doesn't work properly.... colors flash on the screen with this icewesal program... Any ideas how to fix? |
| 12:44.17 | abrotman | rgr: read the whole thing |
| 12:44.27 | rgr | yes. I said more "free". DFSG free in this case. I did. |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | apparently not |
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| 12:53.03 | damian473 | what are possible reasons to show this error up? iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
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| 12:53.31 | vlade_imir | damian473: syntax errors |
| 12:54.06 | Isostar | This error tells us that there is no such chain, target or match. This could depend upon a huge set of factors, the most common being that you have misspelled the chain, target or match in question. |
| 12:54.08 | Isostar | lso, this could be generated in case you are trying to use a match that is not available, either because you did not load the proper module, it was not compiled into kernel or iptables failed to automatically load the module. In general, you should look for all of the above solutions but also look for misspelled targets of some sort or another in your rule. |
| 12:54.14 | Isostar | http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/commonproblems.html |
| 12:54.37 | GioGio | hi everyone |
| 12:54.42 | Isostar | hi GioGio |
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| 12:55.45 | abrotman | damian473: also, #netfilter exists |
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| 12:56.43 | damian473 | thanks |
| 12:56.44 | GioGio | I have a problem with my fresh install of debian 6.0 this weekend. I try to reconfigure my cacti that works fine on debian 5.0, but I have some problems to graph some values. I think I have some problem with snmp, because when I try snmpwalk to some values, I get the following message |
| 12:56.53 | Darmok- | is visiting tanagra |
| 12:57.00 | GioGio | snmp_build: unknown failuresnmpwalk: Error building ASN.1 representation (Can't build OID for variable) |
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| 12:57.33 | GioGio | Is there anyone who can help me to configure snmp on my debian6 and/or figure out why it doesn't work ? thanks |
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| 12:59.26 | Darmok- | there are four lights! |
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| 13:01.19 | hesco_home1 | Building a new machine, although lspci shows three lines related to nic cards, ifconfig shows only eth0 (the mobo built-in nic) and lo. What must I do to add this new card to the network. I need two nic's for this application. |
| 13:01.34 | babilen | Darmok-: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 13:01.46 | Darmok- | yeah |
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| 13:02.19 | Darmok- | is there a way to use debian in the 23th century? |
| 13:02.43 | hesco_home1 | you'd have to keep breathing long enough to live that long |
| 13:03.04 | tobire42 | Darmok-, sure - most spaceships will be powered by debian |
| 13:03.10 | babilen | Darmok-: And apart from that ^^^: Please take off-topic chatter to another channel or just stay quiet. Thank you. |
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| 13:03.32 | Darmok- | ok sergeant babilen |
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| 13:05.24 | danix94 | ciaooù |
| 13:05.26 | danix94 | !list |
| 13:05.26 | dpkg | danix94: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 13:05.38 | intore | hi, i've problems using pam_mount. i can't mount the user home directory from the server to client at login time. Someone knows about this argument please? |
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| 13:06.12 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 13:17.37 | icho | root@server1:~# /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 13:17.37 | icho | Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 13:17.39 | icho | :s |
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| 13:17.48 | icho | help |
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| 13:21.54 | Night_Elf | icho: you can check the /var/log/syslog for messages from bind/named and see what has gone wrong. |
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| 13:22.44 | cusco | hi |
| 13:23.10 | cusco | can I find / -type f -- and then excule certain directory ? |
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| 13:25.19 | ompaul | cusco: a /exclude in the man page for find results in Search failed: exclude |
| 13:25.42 | icho | Night_Elf: root@server1:~# /var/log/syslog |
| 13:25.42 | icho | -bash: /var/log/syslog: Permission denied |
| 13:25.48 | phaidros | ChrisH: I did :) |
| 13:26.04 | cusco | ompaul: I found no 'exclude' in man |
| 13:26.05 | ompaul | cusco: however if you | grep -v CertainData you can ignore anything with CertainData |
| 13:26.06 | cusco | I looked there |
| 13:26.19 | cusco | no because I am already using -exec |
| 13:26.19 | ompaul | cusco: I think that is what I told you ... |
| 13:26.22 | phaidros | ChrisH: limits.conf is not very well documented, via testing I found out that "as" is the parameter vor virtual memeory limits |
| 13:26.24 | cusco | prior to piping it |
| 13:26.32 | ompaul | cusco: and perhaps you can't get there from here |
| 13:26.49 | babilen | icho: I think that Night_Elf meant to take a look at it (with, for example, a pager such as less or most) not to execute the log. |
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| 13:27.20 | Night_Elf | icho: it's a text file that you can check what it contains. I'd advise you open two terminals, in one you do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and in the other you restart the bind9 and see what you get in the first terminal. |
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| 13:28.20 | ChrisH | phaidros: does it now work to your needs? And what happens when reaching the limits? |
| 13:29.07 | icho | Night_Elf: http://pastebin.com/4d5a2eTM |
| 13:29.11 | icho | :s |
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| 13:29.53 | cusco | ompaul: according to google examples I could use ! -name |
| 13:29.59 | cusco | \( ! -name "*2012-03-24*" \) does not work |
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| 13:30.07 | phaidros | ChrisH: not sure yet, as the dev machine can only be rebooted by night. I will let you know, if that works. If it doesn't there still ist the option to fire up a process with ulimit (tho it is not guaranteed that forks will get handled as well) |
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| 13:30.46 | ChrisH | phaidros: limits set with ulimit are expected to be inherited over forks |
| 13:30.47 | phaidros | ChrisH: any idea if there is process ACLs in debian? |
| 13:31.13 | phaidros | imho centos introduced cgroups on version 6.x |
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| 13:33.07 | Sovereign | Debian will only display |
| 13:33.07 | ChrisH | phaidros: dunno. sorry |
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| 13:34.14 | Night_Elf | icho: to what I know, there should be a directory /var/cache/bind/ , owner root:bind and permitions "775" |
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| 13:35.34 | phaidros | anyone ever tried process based ACLs and can hint which tools are to be used for such things? (as e.g. memory limits, excect ulimit & limits.conf) |
| 13:36.10 | Sovereign | Pinguy |
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| 13:38.06 | phaidros | Sovereign: is that an answer to the question or unrelated? |
| 13:38.58 | Sovereign | unrelated |
| 13:39.05 | Sovereign | sorry |
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| 13:39.19 | da78 | hello all. Maybe someone has a hint for me. My virtual terminal (strg-Alt+F1 etc.) are not correct working. I think the problem is with frambuffer / ATI driver. Over workarounds i can see that the VT1 is active - but the display shows nothing.. |
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| 13:40.46 | rootant | da78: you can always resigne framebuffer |
| 13:40.54 | rootant | turn it off i mean |
| 13:41.14 | karlpinc | da78: You might look at the <kms> factoid, in case that has something to do with it. |
| 13:41.21 | Sovereign | Debian will only display 640x480 and under the nvidia settings manager that is all thats offered. What is the default settings manager in Debian |
| 13:41.23 | intore | hi, i've problems using pam_mount. i can't mount the user home directory from the server to client at login time. Someone knows about this argument please? |
| 13:41.26 | karlpinc | !tell da78 about kms |
| 13:41.47 | da78 | rootant: the point is i didn't know where to start. is the grub config the problem or x-org eg.. |
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| 13:42.23 | karlpinc | intore: Is there anything in the logs? |
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| 13:42.35 | da78 | karlpinc: i will give nomodeset a shoot |
| 13:42.41 | rootant | da78: the problem is probably the fb driver or some related software |
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| 13:43.16 | karlpinc | da78: I'm just guessing that kms might be involved. Someone else might have better ideas. |
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| 13:44.51 | karlpinc | intore: FWIW, autofs could be an alternative to pam_mount. (I can't say whether this is a good idea -- when something does not work I always like to try to figure out the problem so it does not bite me later.) |
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| 13:46.21 | intore | karlpinc, this is the output command after login: http://paste.debian.net/169089/ |
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| 13:48.31 | intore | karlpinc, i have a server debian named "amahoro". on the server i've the users home directory in /users/username. i configured pam_mount to mount them on /home/username on the clients but as you have seen the output it doesn't run. |
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| 13:50.49 | truemove | is the a site like webupd8.org but with stuff for debian? |
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| 13:52.25 | karlpinc | !tell truemove about overview |
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| 13:53.13 | johnfg_ | !overview |
| 13:53.13 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>, <introduction>. |
| 13:53.53 | karlpinc | !tell johnfg_ about selftell |
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| 13:54.12 | Radex | !tell me about selftell |
| 13:54.13 | karlpinc | intore: Can you mount the directories by hand? |
| 13:54.29 | karlpinc | !tell Radex about selftell |
| 13:54.57 | karlpinc | !selftell |
| 13:54.57 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 13:55.06 | intore | karlpinc, yes |
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| 13:56.23 | karlpinc | intore: Drat. I might have to pay attention to your problem to help. (And I don't have a lot of time at the moment....) How about pasting your pam config somewhere? |
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| 13:57.25 | intore | karlpinc, http://paste.debian.net/169091/ |
| 13:57.29 | karlpinc | intore: You can mount the remote dir on /home/whateveruser? |
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| 13:57.44 | intore | karlpinc, yes |
| 13:58.03 | intore | karlpinc, but always and only using sudo |
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| 13:59.47 | karlpinc | intore: What is the output of "ls -lhd /home/zingalo"? |
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| 14:02.31 | dezent | trying to install libnspr4-dev but it says " libnspr4-dev : Depends: libnspr4-0d (<= 4.8.6-1.1~) but 4.9-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
| 14:02.35 | dezent | " |
| 14:02.36 | dezent | on squeeze |
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| 14:03.02 | karlpinc | intore: (when it's not mounted) |
| 14:03.05 | mjt | ,versions libnspr4-dev |
| 14:03.07 | judd | Package: libnspr4-dev on i386 -- lenny: 4.7.1-5; lenny-security: 4.7.1-5; lenny-backports: 4.8.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.8.6-1; squeeze-backports: 4.9-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.9-1; sid: 2:4.9-2 |
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| 14:03.18 | mrbean | Hi, I have ksyslog in my machine, should I change to rsyslog? uninstall one and install the other? |
| 14:03.49 | mrbean | sysklogd sorry |
| 14:03.57 | mjt | sysklogd works fine |
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| 14:04.24 | mrbean | ok, I read rsyslog is the new default in debian thats why I thought I should change. |
| 14:04.36 | dezent | mjt: i have backports disabled, what could be wrong then? |
| 14:04.41 | |tpocra| | When I try running various new applications, they don't actually start |
| 14:04.47 | |tpocra| | like gparted, digikam, or gwenview |
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| 14:04.55 | themill | dezent: the fact that you have backports disabled is probably the problem |
| 14:04.59 | mjt | dezent: you have libnspr4-0d installed from backports |
| 14:05.05 | mjt | yeah |
| 14:05.07 | dezent | ooh |
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| 14:05.10 | dezent | crap |
| 14:05.40 | mjt | and the -dev package depends on exact version of the library, but squeeze does not have that version of -dev |
| 14:06.02 | karlpinc | |tpocra|: Try starting them from the command line and see if it tells you the problem. |
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| 14:07.34 | mrbean | exit |
| 14:07.41 | karlpinc | mrbean: You could change if you want to. (I did, just to keep consistent with everybody else.) |
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| 14:10.42 | intore | karlpinc, you mean on the server or on the client? |
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| 14:13.50 | GioGio | I have a problem to activate the module w83627ehf (FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): Device or resource busy) |
| 14:13.54 | The_Eccentric | is there no package for emerald in debian? |
| 14:14.10 | GioGio | Is there anyone who can help me to deal with it ? please |
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| 14:19.51 | intore | karlpinc, on the client the mountpoint is /home/username, on the server the directory to mount is in /users/username on the server. do you want to know the permissions of this last one? |
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| 14:21.24 | Vide | hi, I'm affected by this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666108 |
| 14:21.47 | Vide | and I'd like to install squeeze on a new box (Dell R620 with H710P controller) |
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| 14:22.01 | Vide | is there a squeeze nightly ISO somewhere? |
| 14:22.09 | themill | !kmuto |
| 14:22.09 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 14:22.16 | Vide | how can I know if the patch is already merged for the next 6.0.6 ? |
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| 14:22.59 | Vide | themill: thx! |
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| 14:23.24 | themill | Vide: it sounds like it's all fixed with a newer kernel in the installer. |
| 14:23.42 | Vide | yep, indeed, in 2.6.38 should already work |
| 14:23.55 | maginot | hello. How do I remove empathy? apt-get remove empathy shows me that will remove gnome and gnome-enviorment too |
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| 14:24.54 | ptrkmj | i installed a package without recommends. can i install them now somehow? when i try --reinstall with apt-get it only reinstalls the package mentioned on command line |
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| 14:33.42 | crioto | Hi, i'm trying to write udeb rule that will write protect USB devices for ordinary users. I'm using this string KERNEL=="sd*",MODE="0744",OWNER="root",GROUP="root". My idea is to make mounted devices owned by root. Anyway, when i plug usb stick it's still owned by my user, not root |
| 14:33.53 | crioto | *udeb=udev |
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| 14:35.01 | nsadmin | does udev log? |
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| 14:36.02 | nsadmin | also, it's likely you'd be making it so only root can mount |
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| 14:37.00 | nsadmin | so you have this idea... what is the problem you want to solve by coming up with this idea? |
| 14:37.11 | crioto | I need it to be mounted by anyone, but no one can't write to it. Udev executes this rule, since i've tested it with PROGRAM and script executes on mount |
| 14:37.37 | crioto | I just need to protect information on PCs. |
| 14:37.45 | jhutchins_lt | I thought that was the default for Debian - devices mounted user-read-only. |
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| 14:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | I had to override that on my systems by an fstab entry. |
| 14:38.23 | crioto | jhutchins_lt, i just tested and it's writeable. On fresh install |
| 14:38.35 | nsadmin | crioto, ahh. so you don't want people to go copying data on your machines |
| 14:38.37 | jhutchins_lt | crioto: Which release? |
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| 14:39.05 | crioto | nsadmin, correct. jhutchins_lt, squeeze |
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| 14:47.34 | rawhite | hi |
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| 14:47.51 | rawhite | can one use debian-cd with lenny and somehow add archives.debian.org ? |
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| 14:50.05 | sxpert1 | good afternoon. |
| 14:50.16 | sxpert1 | I have an aced D257 running testing |
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| 14:50.56 | sxpert1 | was working ok, until Xorg got upgraded or something. now, I don't have keyboad / mouse under X. keyboard ok on kernel text console |
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| 14:51.15 | sxpert1 | USB attached keyboard / mouse works fine |
| 14:51.39 | sxpert1 | any ideas ? |
| 14:52.39 | nsadmin | use usb? |
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| 14:53.53 | nsadmin | so this is good... you're running testing and you've found am ossie/// this is EXACTLY what testing is for |
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| 14:56.27 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to revert to ttf-opensymbol 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze4 -> 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze5 |
| 14:57.00 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to revert to ttf-opensymbol 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze4 since the latest update fubared printing. Any suggestions on how to do it |
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| 14:58.25 | rawhite | can one use debian-cd with lenny and somehow add archives.debian.org instead of mirror.debian.org ? |
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| 14:59.14 | jhutchins_lt | rawhite: why? |
| 14:59.42 | nsadmin | you can upgrade from lenny to squeeze that way |
| 14:59.51 | sxpert1 | nsadmin: not really practical carrying around a usb keyboard with a subminiature PC... |
| 15:00.08 | rawhite | jhutchins_lt: well becuase otherwise my cd wont work as expected :) and i tought id do this before going to squeeze |
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| 15:00.14 | ptrkmj | when installed wine package it had a lot of dependecies. now i would like to get rid of it together with no longer dependecies. somehow apt-get doesn't let me to do that with autoremove - after removing `wine' no packages are removed with autoremove. |
| 15:00.23 | nsadmin | but mixtures are not recommended |
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| 15:00.48 | rawhite | jhutchins_lt: http://dpaste.org/7u3Qq/ currently i get this with make status |
| 15:01.07 | nsadmin | ptrkmj, try aptitude |
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| 15:01.34 | rawhite | jhutchins_lt: and i have no idea how to fix that in the first place :( |
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| 15:02.12 | ptrkmj | nsadmin: i need to do it with apt-get. isn't it possible for apt-get? |
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| 15:03.50 | nsadmin | I don't believe apt-get has that functionality... also, unfortunately, maybe also apt-get does not mark packages as installed-by-user or installed-by-deeemdemcu |
| 15:04.07 | themill | eh? |
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| 15:04.39 | themill | nsadmin: feel free to (a) stop talking bullshit when you have no idea and (b) read man apt-get yourself. |
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| 15:05.10 | themill | ptrkmj: which release of debian is this in? |
| 15:05.31 | ptrkmj | squeeze |
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| 15:06.54 | ptrkmj | i have no clue why 'apt-get autoremove' does not detect no longer needed packages after uninstalling wine metapackage |
| 15:06.59 | themill | ptrkmj: aptitude is part of the standard installation, so don't feel worried about using it... but if for some reason you've managed to have wine's dependencies marked as manually installed or there's a dependency loop that prevents them from being autoremoved, you'll have to do it manually. You can have a look at your logs to work out what these packages where. ("apt-get remove wine.* libwine.*" might help) |
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| 15:08.09 | Erikaa | Are you smart? :) http://dippic.com/gmqdc8r6lnr9 |
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| 15:08.53 | themill | Erikaa: please don't paste random links into the channel. |
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| 15:10.11 | ptrkmj | themill: they are marked as automatically installed, though somehow are not detected for removal by autoremove |
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| 15:10.42 | nsadmin | then something else installed depends on them |
| 15:10.44 | themill | ptrkmj: a cycle of dependencies will do that. Getting rid of some more wine packages may be sufficient. |
| 15:11.32 | nsadmin | why would there ever be a cycle of deps in stable? is someone not doing their job? |
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| 15:12.17 | themill | there are some cyclic depends and many cycles that have recommends for one of more links |
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| 15:12.55 | ptrkmj | themill: you were right. i manually installed winetricks package and it prevented the others from being considered no-longer-needed. thanks |
| 15:12.57 | nsadmin | which could give rise to the problem we're seeing |
| 15:13.15 | themill | ptrkmj: excellent. |
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| 15:15.57 | sxpert1 | attempts upgrading to sid, in case shit gets magically corrected |
| 15:16.02 | ptrkmj | themill: i have another question if you don't mind. supposing i installed a package without recommends, is it possible to automatically install those recommends at a later time if i decide i really need them? what would be the command to do that? |
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| 15:17.20 | themill | ptrkmj: you can just "apt-cache show packagename" to see the list of Recommends and then install them. Alternatively you could construct some funky aptitude command that does it for you; /msg dpkg aptitude fu |
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| 15:21.50 | ptrkmj | themill: argh! but in my case (wine) recommends supposedly come from many dependecies of wine metapackage. so i'd have to look in each of them. |
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| 15:23.11 | ptrkmj | the problem is i installed wine without recommends and now i'm having crashes so i thought it might be a good idea to install those |
| 15:23.32 | ptrkmj | s/those/them |
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| 15:27.09 | tharkun | abrotman: Found the problem. gsfonts-x11 fubars my printing install. It took me to fubar another machine to find and fix the real isue. Thanks a lot for your time and effort |
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| 15:28.03 | nsadmin | tharkun, was that fixed simply by removing the package? |
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| 15:29.31 | tharkun | nsadmin: Yes :) |
| 15:29.36 | tharkun | !beer abrotman |
| 15:29.36 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for abrotman |
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| 15:31.47 | nsadmin | and your printing install... is that all packages that configured themselves and printing worked out of the box? or did you have to do other things (alter configs, install nonpackaged software)? |
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| 15:33.02 | abrotman | tharkun: so you have to remove it? |
| 15:33.37 | tharkun | abrotman: yes. Removing it fixed all the isues. |
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| 15:33.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's solved .. no need for you to interject |
| 15:34.04 | abrotman | tharkun: did you look for a bug in the BTS? perhaps file one if not there already |
| 15:34.15 | Hans_Henrik | does Debian 6.0.5 i36 livecd system contain both libntfs (or something to read ntfs filesystems) and truecrypt? |
| 15:34.15 | nsadmin | abrotman, so? I'm curious. |
| 15:34.29 | Hans_Henrik | i386* |
| 15:34.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: so read three days of backscroll |
| 15:34.55 | nsadmin | Hans_Henrik, there may be a table of contents for the cd |
| 15:35.00 | tharkun | nsadmin: Everything was out of the box. For some strange reason on upgrading gsfontx-x11 got installed on one machine. and it broke the sizes of the fonts involved. Probably something under tcl/tk |
| 15:35.06 | craigevil | how to fix this issue: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 15:35.22 | Hans_Henrik | nsadmin: got a link? |
| 15:35.33 | craigevil | ive switched to several different mirrors all give the same message |
| 15:35.41 | themill | craigevil: normally it's just a matter of "wait a bit and try again". Using a mirror that's not in the dns round-robin can help. |
| 15:35.52 | nsadmin | Hans_Henrik, no, we can both look for one |
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| 15:36.00 | tharkun | abrotman: I am unsure even who's fault it is. And i don't have an idea how to properly debug the isue. |
| 15:36.20 | abrotman | tharkun: to start, look for bugs on the gsfonts-x11 package |
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| 15:37.52 | abrotman | tharkun: as much as i hate to say it .. you could also file a bug and let the maintainer figure it out |
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| 15:38.44 | abrotman | tharkun: though you'd have to supply a sample PDF for testing |
| 15:38.45 | sweb | ? |
| 15:38.53 | abrotman | sweb: better than what ? |
| 15:39.12 | sweb | abrotman: for read write access, speed |
| 15:39.29 | abrotman | yes .. better than what alternative ? |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | ext2? jfs? vfat? |
| 15:39.45 | tharkun | abrotman: #155169 instead of display it fubars printing |
| 15:40.09 | abrotman | that bug number? |
| 15:40.21 | sweb | abrotman: ext4, ext2 ... any recommend ? |
| 15:40.33 | abrotman | sweb: generally, if you don't have a good reason, use ext3 |
| 15:40.55 | truemove | have one more called raiser something |
| 15:41.14 | abrotman | doesn't exist! |
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| 15:42.25 | tharkun | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155169 |
| 15:42.30 | truemove | abrotman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS |
| 15:43.08 | jelly | you don't want to use that one |
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| 15:43.38 | truemove | i just said it exist ;) |
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| 15:43.51 | tharkun | truemove: FS selection is based on file quantity and file numbers. |
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| 15:44.05 | abrotman | truemove: doesn't exist |
| 15:44.08 | jelly | truemove: it does. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone at this point |
| 15:44.14 | abrotman | tharkun: same bug ? |
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| 15:44.31 | truemove | i use ext4 |
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| 15:44.44 | jelly | that's probably ok at this point in time |
| 15:44.49 | tharkun | abrotman: so it seems. and since tcl uses the screen rastering to print is extremely probable that it is the root cause |
| 15:45.39 | truemove | witch its the fastest file system? |
| 15:45.55 | tharkun | the one that has the fastest disks |
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| 15:46.51 | truemove | if you use the same disk... there has to be some differents betwen them all |
| 15:46.56 | karlpinc | !tell truemove about best |
| 15:47.00 | pmade | truemove: I have a friend that swears by JFS |
| 15:47.06 | Sovereign | I need another program to configure my display settings other than nvidia |
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| 15:47.39 | truemove | i will hit google and see what i can find |
| 15:48.01 | K1rk|Work | Is there a good way to connect my client computers to a CUPS server, so all printers are centrally managed? If I go to Connect menu on my Printer Administration area, I can connect to the remote CUPS server and even print a test page, but there's no way I see to make the change permanent. |
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| 15:48.34 | truemove | karlpinc: best.. i mean fastest and that dosent mess upp your clusters on the hdd so mutch |
| 15:48.53 | tharkun | Sovereign: xset is nice if you are a cli freak |
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| 15:50.09 | Sovereign | tharkum not so much but if i can change the resolution I will try the system is useless this way |
| 15:50.35 | tharkun | Sovereign: man xrandr |
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| 15:51.43 | intore | Hi, hope someone could help me. i rewrite my question. i can't mount the user's home directories from the ldap-samba server (amahoro) on the clients at login time. I installed pam_mount but the configuration is not correct i think or something about directory permissions. I want that the user home directory in /users/username on the server will be mount on the client on /home/username. this is pam_mount.conf: http://paste.debian.net/169091/ and this is the |
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| 15:52.16 | truemove | anyone tried this file system? |
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| 15:52.18 | truemove | http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ |
| 15:52.37 | mjt | not one, for sure. |
| 15:52.43 | nsadmin | intore, you're trying to use samba shares as home dirs? |
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| 15:52.52 | tharkun | intore: take a look at your relevant logs. The problem is probably stated there and also the solution |
| 15:52.58 | karlpinc | intore: Yes, I suspect the permissions are wrong. |
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| 15:54.20 | nsadmin | correct me if I'm wrong here... but home dirs need unix-style permissings and attribs, and samba doesn't provide that |
| 15:54.41 | mjt | what for? |
| 15:55.13 | dizzylizzy | ouch :( my crappy back-up laptop just suddenly powered off and the power button no longer works. Right after nearly getting a working system :-/ |
| 15:55.42 | Sovereign | tharkun, dropbox is a wonderful thing http://paste.debian.net/169118/ |
| 15:56.15 | dizzylizzy | now i'm installing debian in a virtual machine on a computer that isn't mine |
| 15:56.19 | intore | nsadmin, yes, isn't good idea? |
| 15:56.38 | karlpinc | !tell Sovereign about dropbox |
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| 15:57.00 | nsadmin | intore, depends on what you're expecting and what your users need... is this home dirs on a linux box? |
| 15:57.09 | mjt | nsadmin: even msdos fat filesystem works nicely as a homedir. sama should work just fine. you don't need lots of different permisions or file ownership in your own home dir. But some programs may try to create files which aren't supported (symlinks, sockets) which will fail. |
| 15:57.39 | intore | nsadmin, yes, they're on debian server |
| 15:57.47 | karlpinc | intore: If you've just got unix boxes I see no point in doing file sharing with a bug-for-bug compatible version of MSs file sharing. May as well use nfs. |
| 15:57.50 | nsadmin | mjt, yeah, that's pretty much my point |
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| 15:57.55 | jhutchins_lt | mjt: There are also programs like ssh which can be configured to require specific file permissions. |
| 15:58.26 | mjt | that can be dealt with by mounting the top-level homedir with restricted perms. |
| 15:58.46 | mjt | ie, mount -o fmask=0177 or somesuch |
| 15:59.00 | intore | karlpinc, in the future will be some win clients |
| 15:59.37 | karlpinc | intore: In any case, if your users can't access the mount points then I wouldn't expect them to be able to mount. So, check the permissions of the mount points (home dirs) on the client. |
| 15:59.47 | nsadmin | intore, obuviously the samba shares will work fine for the win clients |
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| 16:00.07 | mjt | but really, this might not be a good idea. maybe some _subdir_ of home pointing to a samba share, but not the home dir itself. |
| 16:00.22 | karlpinc | Here's some output of intore's logs: http://paste.debian.net/169089/ |
| 16:00.23 | nsadmin | intore, for linux, the home dirs will be missing some features |
| 16:00.53 | nsadmin | if you're ok with that (that's the real question), go for it |
| 16:01.28 | Sovereign | tharkun, here is my problem I got the nvidia card and drivers installed but the monitor resolution can't be configured with the nvidia settings manager so I need another way to achieve this |
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| 16:02.07 | karlpinc | intore: And if you share in MS-land, then, correct me if I'm wrong, the share will show up as a "drive" anyway. So, for consistencey, across platforms you may as well mount your shares in /home/someuser/data, for instance. |
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| 16:02.28 | mjt | Sovereign: that means there's something wrong with the nvidia manager, maybe you don't really use their drivers? |
| 16:03.12 | mjt | karlpinc: exactly my point with a subdir :) |
| 16:03.19 | Sovereign | mjt the system was working |
| 16:03.21 | karlpinc | intore: (or /home/someuser/zdrive, or some other descriptive name.) Anyway, this does not solve your problem. |
| 16:03.21 | intore | nsadmin, maybe is a problem about permissions |
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| 16:03.46 | Sovereign | I dont understand why it would break |
| 16:03.47 | karlpinc | mjt: Right. Just adding +1. |
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| 16:03.55 | intore | karlpinc, i think not, i'll check how to set the permissions |
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| 16:04.17 | karlpinc | intore: How about telling us what they are? |
| 16:05.29 | intore | karlpinc, about mountpoint on the clients? |
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| 16:05.42 | karlpinc | intore: Yes. ls -lhd /home/foo |
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| 16:06.18 | nsadmin | intore, about the problems you see too (what you want, what it's doing instead) |
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| 16:06.35 | karlpinc | nsadmin: See the error log paste above. |
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| 16:07.19 | intore | nsadmin, command-output after login: http://paste.debian.net/169089 |
| 16:07.24 | mjt | so it mounts okay |
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| 16:07.45 | mjt | so please show ls -ld /home/zingalo |
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| 16:08.16 | intore | karlpinc, when are not mounted they don't exist, i can check the permissions once mounted |
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| 16:10.46 | karlpinc | intore: They have to exist, as a directory, or you can't mount. |
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| 16:11.49 | intore | karlpinc, after the logout they disappear, i can set to don't doo that in pam_mount.conf |
| 16:11.53 | european-guy | hi |
| 16:12.04 | sweb | how can i get debian version from bootload from DVD ? |
| 16:12.05 | mjt | intore: please show the ls -ld already |
| 16:12.20 | Sovereign | will this work in debian with an nvidia card xserver-xorg-video-via |
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| 16:12.59 | karlpinc | Is there something special about samba mounts that you can mount on a non-existant mount point? |
| 16:13.14 | mjt | karlpinc: pam_mount does the mkdir |
| 16:13.23 | mjt | karlpinc: it is shown in the log/paste |
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| 16:13.32 | karlpinc | mjt: Ah. I see. |
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| 16:15.24 | intore | mjt, now am logged with the user "leonidas" and his home is: drwx------ 2 leonidas Domain Users 0 2012-05-06 19:44 leonidas |
| 16:15.47 | mjt | that's how it should be, most likely |
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| 16:18.46 | karlpinc | intore: I'm wondering if the home dir is set properly. What is "grep leonidas /etc/passwd"? |
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| 16:19.33 | kleanchap | My Debian installation is very standard. However I need to rip some DVDs from my DVD collection since I will be travelling soon. What is the best DVD ripping tool available on Debian? |
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| 16:20.44 | intore | karlpinc, on the client? |
| 16:20.49 | Sovereign | http://paste.debian.net/169120/ |
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| 16:20.59 | karlpinc | kleanchap: I tend to use dvdbackup, but these days I think you can mount them and do a cp. I forget. |
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| 16:21.30 | karlpinc | intore: Yes. The client is using unix passwords for authentication etc., right? |
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| 16:22.12 | kleanchap | karlpinc, I found dvdbackup too. I have not used it yet. Is this a GUI based tool? |
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| 16:22.37 | karlpinc | kleanchap: No. I've never used a gui for this. |
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| 16:23.20 | kleanchap | karlpinc, Thanks! I will check out the command line options. |
| 16:23.26 | confusid | I have nagios3 installed and trying to locate nexsm, it is a map addon. |
| 16:23.34 | karlpinc | kleanchap: Try using debtags to search. |
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| 16:24.06 | intore | karlpinc, on /etc/passwd there are only the user of the client. using getent passwd i can see all the users, of ldap server and of client also so "grep leonidas | getent passwd" gives me "leonidas:x:2000:513:Leonidas Ndaje:/users/leonidas:/bin/bash" |
| 16:24.09 | karlpinc | kleanchap: You will probably also need decss, perhaps from <dmm>. You may also want to see the wiki url in the <overview> factoid. |
| 16:24.35 | kleanchap | karlpinc, Got it. |
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| 16:25.25 | karlpinc | intore: /usrs/leonidas is wrong, you're mounting the home dir on /home/leonidas/. |
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| 16:28.21 | karlpinc | confusid: I've no clue. You could probably use <apt-file> to find it, if it exists in Debian. (Icinga was forked from nagios because a lot of nagios pugins are not free, FWIW.) |
| 16:28.23 | intore | karlpinc, mmm, i know but grep leonidas /etc/passwd shows nothing i think because is not a user of this client |
| 16:28.43 | ShinyObjects | tharkun: what's !beer about? |
| 16:28.46 | karlpinc | intore: That's fine, so long as getent finds the user. |
| 16:29.00 | nsadmin | ShinyObjects, it's a ShinyObject! |
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| 16:29.10 | intore | karlpinc, yes |
| 16:29.11 | ShinyObjects | Hah. |
| 16:29.19 | nsadmin | !beer ShinyObjects |
| 16:29.20 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Older Viscosity for ShinyObjects |
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| 16:29.34 | ShinyObjects | It was pretty funny - I step into my office this morning and notice that of all the channels I'm in, #debian is highlighted |
| 16:29.37 | karlpinc | intore: The point being, your mounting is working fine. You're just telling the system to use a home directory that does not exist. |
| 16:29.53 | ShinyObjects | I forgot I'd put a filter in pidgin that watches out for mentions of beer :) |
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| 16:30.33 | nsadmin | oh, the beer plot thickens... |
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| 16:33.45 | confusid | karlpinc: ty |
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| 16:34.23 | confusid | I have not used nagios in a long time.. When did they go from being fully free to having paid items? |
| 16:35.09 | nsadmin | confusid, the timeline for that could be on their site |
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| 16:35.28 | confusid | nsadmin: k |
| 16:36.03 | intore | karlpinc, The point. once logged on a shell using a "remote" user, pam_mount creates on the client a dir /home/leonidas but the home directory after logged in is / |
| 16:36.07 | karlpinc | confusid: Requires payment is different from free/libre. |
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| 16:36.59 | karlpinc | intore: That's because you told it that the home directory should be /users/lionidas, but that directory does not exist after mounting /home/leonidas, so it uses / instead. |
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| 16:38.18 | confusid | karlpinc: looks as to be a payment item only... :/ |
| 16:38.38 | confusid | I'm having a hell of a time making the default map in nagios work. |
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| 16:42.12 | intore | karlpinc, i don't understand, which dir doesn't exist? /home/leonidas or /user/leonidas? |
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| 16:43.02 | karlpinc | intore: /user/leonidas does not exist on the client, and you told the client that that's leonidas' home directory. |
| 16:44.10 | intore | karlpinc, mmm, have you seen my pam_mount.conf? where is wrong? |
| 16:44.51 | karlpinc | intore: Nothing's wrong with pam_mount. Your problem is in your ldap db (or whatever it is that holds the data for "getent passwd". |
| 16:45.40 | ShinyObjects | nsadmin: not just decants, but *deftly* decants. Nice. I'll have to e-mail you some Chimay in return. |
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| 16:48.06 | intore | karlpinc, the attribute homeDirectory for a user in ldap is /users/username. i told to the client to mount that dir on /home/username on the client |
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| 16:49.32 | mjt | so your HOME variable is set incorrectly |
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| 16:49.42 | sweb | i add dotdeb packages but how can i install php 5.4 ? |
| 16:49.51 | karlpinc | intore: The attribute homeDirectory in ldap is where the client is expected to find the user's home directory in the client's filesystem. You need to use a different attribute if you want someplace to store the path that's gets mounted as the user's home directory. |
| 16:49.56 | mjt | !dotdeb |
| 16:49.56 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
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| 16:50.26 | karlpinc | !tell sweb about overview |
| 16:50.45 | intore | karlpinc, mjt |
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| 16:50.51 | intore | ops |
| 16:51.46 | intore | karlpinc, mjt, do you mean i have to wrote in homeDirectory attribute the path of the home on the clients? |
| 16:51.58 | karlpinc | intore: Yes. |
| 16:52.28 | intore | karlpinc, but i have many clients, not only one |
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| 16:52.54 | mjt | homeDirectory says where to mount the homedir for ALL clients. |
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| 16:53.22 | karlpinc | intore: No matter what client, say, leonidas logs in on his home directory on the client will always be /home/leonidas. So, not a problem. |
| 16:53.44 | intore | mjt, so /home/username is it enough? |
| 16:53.52 | mjt | for what? |
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| 16:54.02 | karlpinc | intore: Yes. |
| 16:54.07 | intore | in homeDirectory attribute in ldap? |
| 16:54.22 | mjt | it should be enough |
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| 16:55.07 | intore | karlpinc, mjt, and pam_mount? is it ok like now? |
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| 16:55.13 | mjt | 20:24 < intore> karlpinc, on /etc/passwd there are only the user of the client. using getent passwd i can see all the users, of ldap server and of client also so "grep leonidas | getent passwd" gives me "leonidas:x:2000:513:Leonidas Ndaje:/users/leonidas:/bin/bash" |
| 16:55.13 | karlpinc | intore: Unless you want someplace in ldap where you store the samba server/path that gets mounted as the user's home directory, in which case you need another scheama to store that sort of info. |
| 16:55.34 | mjt | that getent shows the value of HOME |
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| 16:55.51 | mjt | it is /USERS/leonidas, and it comes from homeDirectory LDAP attribute |
| 16:55.53 | karlpinc | intore: pam_mount is doing just what it's supposed to do. |
| 16:56.32 | karlpinc | intore: mjt is saying, it should be /home/leonidas. |
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| 16:56.39 | mjt | pam_mount mounts stuff, it does not change $HOME or getent. |
| 16:56.57 | mjt | well, I'm not saying where it should be |
| 16:57.16 | mjt | it can as well be users/leonidas, or /usr/my/funky/homedir/path/leonidas |
| 16:57.43 | intore | then i'll don't make changes to pam_mount? |
| 16:57.52 | mjt | but the parent dir should exist, and the parent dir is the dir where pam_moutn should mount stuff at. |
| 16:58.32 | mjt | homeDirectory says where the users's directory should be on the client |
| 16:58.42 | karlpinc | intore: Don't make any changes to pam_mount if you want the users home directries to be in /home/, which is the sane place to put them. |
| 16:59.14 | mjt | one trivial solution is to ln -s home /users |
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| 16:59.56 | karlpinc | mjt: Why suggest confusing things and leaving a strange configuration that nobody will be able to figure out? |
| 17:00.27 | mjt | your solution is as confusing as mine, having in mind current config |
| 17:00.29 | karlpinc | mjt: Especially when another trivial solution is the right one, fixing the data in the homeDirectory attribute? |
| 17:00.45 | mjt | he already have homedir in /users/ -- this is where windows puts them |
| 17:00.58 | mjt | so he'll have to reconfigure other systems |
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| 17:01.26 | mjt | might as well changd pam_mount.conf to mount it to /users/$username, and mkdir /users |
| 17:01.30 | mjt | change* |
| 17:01.40 | intore | wait please, adding new user with smbldap-useradd i've to set the home directory on the server. this setting will be the content of homeDirectory attribute. am confused |
| 17:01.42 | mjt | but this is really booring... ;) |
| 17:01.48 | karlpinc | mjt: Just another reason to use your original suggestion and not try to samba mount the home directory. |
| 17:02.35 | intore | karlpinc, mjt, i don't understand, am sorry |
| 17:02.47 | mjt | wanders away. booooring.... |
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| 17:05.42 | intore | mjt, noooo, i've bored you????? |
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| 17:05.59 | karlpinc | intore: The problem is that MS and Unix have different expectations for home directories. I don't know how it is that it's possible to use a single ldap schema to and satisfy the expectations of both Unix and MS operating systems when it comes to user authentication information, and more to the point, home directories. I would expect that there would be separate schemas, or an add-on schema to add enough extra information to one that |
| 17:05.59 | karlpinc | it will work with the other. In any case I don't know enough about what MS wants to be able to say what's the right solution. I expect that the right solution is to not try to share home directories between Unix and MS. |
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| 17:06.55 | mjt | the latter point is the most correct IMHO :) |
| 17:06.59 | mjt | latest* |
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| 17:07.24 | mjt | while it actually works, there's little point in doing so |
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| 17:08.39 | karlpinc | intore: Samba is expecting to be used with a MS-style environment, so, perhaps, it is asking for the home directory _on_the_server_, when Unix requires the home directory on the client. I don't know enough about samba (and it's expectations regarding home directories) to tell you what it expects. I'm just guessing. |
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| 17:09.17 | intore | karlpinc, ok, am trying to change homedir attribute |
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| 17:10.18 | karlpinc | intore: mjt's says that changing the homeDirectory attribute will cause you problems when you try to use MS clients. (I can't say.) |
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| 17:11.01 | intore | karlpinc, at the moment i've only linux clients |
| 17:11.06 | ompaul | it will only end in tears |
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| 17:11.49 | ompaul | mostly because even if you use samba, editing one with the other's tools can be more than unhealthy |
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| 17:12.23 | ompaul | removal of ^M or adding ^M for one |
| 17:12.58 | ompaul | intore: best idea evaaaa an object called "/data" which is a samba exported palace of data |
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| 17:13.13 | ompaul | at least then you are only dealing with files |
| 17:13.14 | karlpinc | intore: I agree with ompaul. It will be satisfying to get it working, but when the headaches begin to accumulate, remember, "we told you so". |
| 17:13.25 | karlpinc | intore: :-) |
| 17:13.40 | ompaul | intore: funny how I agree with karlpinc :) |
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| 17:14.45 | intore | karlpinc, i changed the homedir attribute but is the same |
| 17:15.21 | karlpinc | intore: There might be some caching going on somewhere. What does "getent passwd" say? Is it showing your change? |
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| 17:16.13 | intore | karlpinc, is correct, /home/leonidas. i think the problem is pam_mount conf |
| 17:16.27 | karlpinc | intore: Or, maybe changing the attribute broke the samba mounting for some reason. Is the directory mounting on login? |
| 17:17.18 | intore | karlpinc, no, it isn't: No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
| 17:18.07 | karlpinc | intore: Logging in with HOME=/ may have nothing to do with whether /home/leonidas is mounted. Is it mounted? |
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| 17:19.25 | intore | karlpinc, oh my god!!!!! it runs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:19.54 | intore | karlpinc, logout and login now it runs!!! |
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| 17:20.57 | intore | karlpinc, mountpoint is created on the client /home/leonidas and i can see the content of /users/leonidas of the server! |
| 17:21.28 | karlpinc | intore: Well, good. (For some value of "good".) It's always good to be able to get the box to do what you want. (I would still consider whether doing this is a good thing.) |
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| 17:22.04 | intore | karlpinc, about ms clients? |
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| 17:22.43 | karlpinc | intore: About samba mounting home directories. (Is /etc/skel/ even copied when you create the user? And so forth.) |
| 17:23.19 | karlpinc | intore: Although yes, the bigger issue is probably sharing the home directories with MS clients. |
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| 17:24.15 | intore | karlpinc, /users/leonidas is empty and /home/leonidas also |
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| 17:25.36 | karlpinc | intore: Sharing a sub-directory of a home directory with a MS client is not a bad idea, and sharing home directories between different boxes is standard. (The usual appraoch is to use nfs for the sharing and autofs for the mounting, although there's nothing at all wrong with pam_mount and it might be a better solution than autofs.) |
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| 17:26.28 | karlpinc | intore: The expectation is that when the home directory is created the contents of /etc/skel is copied into the new directory, and the ownership changed to the user etc. |
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| 17:28.01 | karlpinc | intore: The other expectation is that Unix file permissions exist/work/etc. so that things like <upg> will work, so that explict permissions can be required by things like ssh to ensure security, and so forth. Apparently you're not getting unix permissions with samba shares. |
| 17:28.07 | karlpinc | !tell intore about upg |
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| 17:29.35 | intore | karlpinc, wait, ls -a shows . .. .bash_history .bash_logout .bashrc .profile |
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| 17:30.29 | intore | karlpinc, i think /etc/skel has been copied |
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| 17:38.26 | intore | karlpinc, i said a wrong thing, user's home directories are set in samba so adding new users will set automatically homedir as specified in smb.conf and smbldap.conf |
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| 17:40.01 | docbop | have exim4 on debian and need to change the qualify_domain setting. debconf doesn't set that one, anyone know what file to exit to mod things debconf reconfigure doesn't? |
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| 17:45.50 | abrotman | docbop: did you find it ? |
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| 17:47.04 | docbop | abrotman: no still looking. grep'ing all the config files and not seeing it with anything other than the default |
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| 17:47.34 | intore | karlpinc, mjt, thanks a lot for your support and your patience |
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| 17:48.24 | intore | i'll try to login from gdm to check |
| 17:48.30 | intore | i'll come back |
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| 17:50.05 | moty66 | hello, I have a problem with apt* dependencies http://paste.debian.net/169139/ |
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| 17:51.44 | fasta | /etc/init.d/hal status returns could not access PID file for hald ... failed! |
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| 17:52.04 | fasta | Shouldn't hald start at boot? Or do I have to explicitly configure that? |
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| 17:52.27 | daemon | hey all I think im doing something wrong well anyhow im a bit mystified; root@piratebay:/etc/init.d# useradd -G wheel paul useradd: group 'wheel' does not exist |
| 17:52.42 | daemon | I am from a freebsd background .. I thoguht you added user to wheel so they could 'su' to root |
| 17:54.21 | sencha | daemon, can you 'su' without being in the wheel group (which doesn't seem to exist on debian) |
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| 17:55.07 | daemon | ah I can |
| 17:55.08 | cesurasean | nsadmin, abrotman, you still there? |
| 17:55.13 | daemon | unexpected; thank you sencha :) |
| 17:55.19 | cesurasean | abrotman, ? |
| 17:55.31 | cesurasean | .. |
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| 17:56.36 | karlpinc | !sudoers |
| 17:56.36 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 17:57.02 | cesurasean | guys, I have 3 nics, and for some reason when I configure the 3rd, NOTHING works. When I have just eth0, and eth1 configured, my nics are clashing i think in address space, and so it goes random to which one is working again. I only have 2 configured in my interfaces file as well. - http://pastebin.com/xJhX6CFL - how do i configure ALL 3 nics, so ALL 3 nics work at said ip addresses, and quit making the cards work on random? eve |
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| 17:57.37 | cesurasean | eth2 seems to be the issue, when or if i specify it in the interfaces file. this seems like a bug in debian to me.... |
| 17:57.56 | cesurasean | if a nic is not specified in the kernel, then it should just be a dead nic, yeah? |
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| 17:58.23 | mjt | not specified in the kernel? |
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| 17:58.36 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Try using ethtool to see what's known about your nics. dmesg wouldn't hurt either. |
| 17:58.36 | cesurasean | in the interfaces file |
| 17:58.42 | joltcan | cesurasean: is there some address space mismatch in bios? |
| 17:58.43 | daemon | on a side note ... if anyone here in the UK is not able to get to the piratebay due to the gov bans; I have setup a mirror accessible from anywhere in the world here: http://piratebay.interflective.com/ |
| 17:58.59 | cesurasean | joltcan, that's what it sounds like, but I don't know where to check. |
| 17:59.04 | nsadmin | if you have network-manager, it takes control of nics not listed in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:59.41 | cesurasean | nsadmin, did you see my post of my interfaces file? these are headless machines, btw... |
| 17:59.54 | cesurasean | i had to plug in a random nic, and was able to get ssh working again... |
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| 18:00.23 | cesurasean | every time i reboot, the nic that's working ( if 1 works ) changes to another physical nic. |
| 18:00.35 | cesurasean | & when i try to program eth2, none of them work. |
| 18:00.42 | karlpinc | !z70 |
| 18:00.42 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 18:00.57 | nsadmin | once udev sees a nic, it stores its name and mac addr so that when seen again (like on boot), it makes sure nics have the same name as before |
| 18:01.04 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Might have something to do with it. |
| 18:01.12 | jelly-home | karlpinc: it was "z25" or "70", wasn't it |
| 18:01.17 | jelly-home | never z70 |
| 18:01.28 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Yes. I got lucky. |
| 18:01.41 | jelly-home | karlpinc: go play bingo! |
| 18:02.15 | nsadmin | bee-eyyyye-engeeoh... |
| 18:02.35 | nsadmin | and bingo was his name-oh |
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| 18:03.58 | cesurasean | nsadmin, how do i use my current interfaces file, and program in the eth2 nic, so that all 3 nics are working? then, i'll just not use one of them..... |
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| 18:04.16 | cesurasean | nsadmin, i don't care to use eth2, which is the onboard nic. |
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| 18:04.29 | cesurasean | no turn off button? :( |
| 18:05.06 | EdePopede | good morning :) |
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| 18:06.32 | ShinyObjects | good morning EdePopede |
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| 18:07.03 | EdePopede | are there any known memory problems concerning Xorg on 6.0.4 (xserver-xorg-core shows up with Version: 2:1.7.7-14). or something similar to xrestop that could show what's happening? |
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| 18:23.05 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:23.17 | lenswipe | having pulseaudio issues |
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| 18:23.34 | lenswipe | sometimes if im listening to something like youtube i cant open a .WAV file on my computer and visa versa |
| 18:23.39 | sakal | hi, my xbmc from sid does not prevent screen saver. it's a bug or I can improve it by settings? |
| 18:23.45 | lenswipe | the first thing i listen to hogs the soundcard |
| 18:24.02 | sakal | previous version (10.0) from d-m-o was corrent |
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| 18:24.12 | Sovereign | is the resolution handled by the window xserver? |
| 18:24.58 | moty66 | Hello, I don't know what's happened, but I lose the package base-files |
| 18:25.21 | moty66 | and I can't reinstall it because of dependences problem |
| 18:26.03 | dvs | ,version base-files |
| 18:26.03 | moty66 | any help http://paste.debian.net/169139/ and http://paste.debian.net/169141/ |
| 18:26.04 | judd | Package: base-files on i386 -- lenny: 5lenny11; squeeze: 6.0squeeze5; sid: 6.7; wheezy: 6.7 |
| 18:26.28 | cesurasean | nsadmin, i sent you the interfaces file. can you help me rig up the eth2? i copied one section of that file, and changed eth1 to eth2, and it still doesn't work? |
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| 18:29.41 | dvs | moty66: have you updated first? |
| 18:29.52 | moty66 | dvs: yes |
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| 18:30.53 | n-iCe | Gnome3 |
| 18:30.57 | n-iCe | Don't know what to say |
| 18:31.24 | cesurasean | nsadmin, i tried this; http://pastebin.com/8mBhETBn ; but when i reboot and try to do ifconfig up eth2, for example, the command line just freezes. & none of the 3 nics work? |
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| 18:31.34 | dvs | moty66: isn't line 27 telling you to run "apt-get -f install" to fix the problem? |
| 18:31.59 | moty66 | dvs: i did, but I have the same output from apt |
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| 18:33.30 | kaneda^ | heya, anyone happen to have a tar of debian squeeze amd64 /usr folder? |
| 18:34.08 | simonlnu | uh, no. |
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| 18:35.24 | kaneda^ | anybody? |
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| 18:35.33 | kaneda^ | otherwise i'll have to do a second amd64 install and copy the files over :( |
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| 18:36.42 | Sw33NY | hi all |
| 18:36.59 | simonlnu | it's not exactly something you have lying around. there's also problems with this. one, someone could make one and give you a rootkit. two, it can be highly variable. |
| 18:37.55 | simonlnu | third, it's a directory (i'm being nitpicky there ;P) |
| 18:38.18 | kaneda^ | simonlnu, i did say a tar of the dir |
| 18:38.32 | Sw33NY | I run on Debian Squeeze 6.0.4 with ASUS KGPE-16D mainboard, it has 8 SAS ports and I have connected 8 hdd SATA 2 but I don't see my drives in Debian |
| 18:38.46 | simonlnu | want me to quote you? ;). |
| 18:38.56 | simonlnu | it doesn't matter |
| 18:38.58 | solstis | guys, how can i set all the locale variable to sth with one command ? |
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| 18:39.04 | grobda24 | Can I set the the debian-user mailing list search page - http://lists.debian.org/search.html - to search for English messages only ? |
| 18:39.08 | dyingloop | question |
| 18:39.08 | Sw33NY | I could install modules or some thing to work ? |
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| 18:39.15 | dyingloop | I need a windows GUI installer |
| 18:39.18 | kaneda^ | blah, i'll have to reinstall, should have backed up the dir before doing that replace :( |
| 18:39.25 | dyingloop | to install debian on to an USB |
| 18:39.42 | simonlnu | dyingloop: goodbyewindows.com |
| 18:39.51 | dyingloop | i've used a bunch of installers an they just extract an .iso file |
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| 18:39.57 | simonlnu | kaneda^: too bad :(. good luck. |
| 18:40.06 | kaneda^ | just have to do another install |
| 18:40.08 | kaneda^ | not so bad |
| 18:40.19 | dyingloop | i already checked that one out |
| 18:40.22 | kaneda^ | it was stupid, i just needed to replace a few files in /usr/local/python |
| 18:40.23 | dyingloop | only for vista |
| 18:40.28 | dyingloop | thanks simonlnu |
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| 18:40.34 | solstis | how can i set all the locale variable to sth with one command ? |
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| 18:41.01 | dyingloop | I remember doing this somehow with Fedora |
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| 18:41.55 | solstis | isn't it a general linux thing ? |
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| 18:42.53 | simonlnu | in your shell config |
| 18:42.58 | sweb | which ftp server is simple to use ? |
| 18:43.22 | moty66 | is reinstalling |
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| 18:43.58 | Calle__Lid | Is there anyone in here that might be willing to seed the Debian 6.0.5 iso? |
| 18:44.15 | solstis | sorry, but how do i start the shell config ? |
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| 18:44.27 | solstis | i'm really new to this |
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| 18:44.42 | solstis | is that /.config ? |
| 18:44.43 | moty66 | Calle__Lid: I'll do it |
| 18:44.56 | Calle__Lid | moty66: Thank you :) |
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| 18:45.18 | moty66 | am seeding 6.0.4 right now |
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| 18:48.09 | solstis | ok.. how do i change my system locale with the shell config ? |
| 18:48.23 | valdyn | !locales |
| 18:48.23 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 18:48.37 | solstis | thanks! :) |
| 18:49.03 | valdyn | solstis: "with the shell config" is just confusing, skip it :) |
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| 18:50.49 | moty66 | do i have to use ext3 or ext4 foe the root mount ? |
| 18:50.59 | solstis | :) i did the thing |
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| 18:51.27 | solstis | but $ locale shows that most of the things are set to =POSIX |
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| 18:53.29 | solstis | LC_TIME is set the way i wanted and it showed in the first weekday in orage but all the other things are =POSIX |
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| 18:54.24 | simonlnu | so set them. `locale' will tell you what to set, if you want to set those. |
| 18:55.00 | simonlnu | smacks valdyn with a medium-sized trout |
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| 18:55.47 | solstis | but shouldn't dpkg-reconfigure locales set all of them ? |
| 18:55.53 | solstis | how do i set the rest ? |
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| 18:56.35 | simonlnu | it sets and generates stuff. you'll need to log out to see it. |
| 18:56.54 | solstis | just log out or reboot ? |
| 18:56.54 | simonlnu | um, and log back in of course ;) |
| 18:57.00 | solstis | hah, yeah |
| 18:57.01 | solstis | :D |
| 18:57.03 | simonlnu | "log out" |
| 18:57.07 | solstis | thank u |
| 18:57.49 | simonlnu | ex-windows user. you can tell by the "reboot solution" :P |
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| 18:58.35 | solstis | it did the trick! thanks |
| 18:58.58 | solstis | i asked about rebooting because i'm still used to the stupid win environment |
| 18:59.09 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 18:59.18 | simonlnu | 14:57 < simonlnu> ex-windows user. you can tell by the "reboot solution" :P |
| 18:59.27 | solstis | hah :D |
| 18:59.41 | solstis | happy ex-user |
| 18:59.44 | simonlnu | :D |
| 19:00.02 | solstis | it's been almost a month now |
| 19:00.05 | schultza | what are the recommended packages for a build/programming environment? i have to compile something from a tgz download |
| 19:00.07 | solstis | i;m getting used to things |
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| 19:00.45 | simonlnu | schultza: start by installing build-essential |
| 19:01.00 | schultza | what does build-essential have? |
| 19:01.37 | solstis | another thing: i'm running the mint debian edition. would you recommend that i switch to 'pure' debian ? |
| 19:01.38 | simonlnu | that wwill proably not be sufficient however. you can build, but the dependencies might not be fulfilled completely. |
| 19:01.58 | simonlnu | solstis: i would. because otherwise you can't really get suppotr in here :P |
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| 19:02.23 | solstis | ..good argument |
| 19:02.27 | schultza | requirements from the other page are c(gcc), c++, make, ncurses, perl, awk, flex, patch, libtermcap-devel, bison, libtools, autoconf, automake, and kernel-devel |
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| 19:02.30 | simonlnu | there's many debian-based distros, and they do things differently, so we can't support them all. |
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| 19:03.11 | solstis | yes, i understand. but from a... 'functional' (can i use this word?) point of view, is it better to run the pure thing |
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| 19:03.55 | simonlnu | schultza: you can do (for example) apt-cache search termcap dev to find the packages you need to do this. debian has dev ppackages named with -dev (not -devel) usually. |
| 19:04.11 | schultza | thank you |
| 19:04.22 | simonlnu | solstis: up to you really. i'm happy with debian. |
| 19:04.54 | solstis | ok. thank you |
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| 19:05.32 | simonlnu | schultza: those other ones will be ok on their own, like flex, patch (patchutils), and bison for example |
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| 19:06.02 | gionnico | Hi! |
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| 19:06.15 | gionnico | can someone help me to recover a mdadm / IMSM RAID 0 ? |
| 19:06.48 | gionnico | one drive of the 2 was faulty. so i created an image of it. and removed the drive. |
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| 19:07.15 | gionnico | i loop mounted the image to /dev/loop1 |
| 19:07.30 | gionnico | but mdadm doesn't seem to accept /dev/loop1 as the missing device of the array |
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| 19:07.41 | gionnico | # mdadm /dev/md/imsm0 --add /dev/loop1 |
| 19:07.49 | gionnico | mdadm: /dev/loop1 is not attached to Intel(R) RAID controller. |
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| 19:10.02 | asido | c/lose |
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| 19:10.49 | valdyn | solstis: "with the shell config" is just confusing, skip it :) |
| 19:10.52 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:11.04 | CRUNK | hey guys i hadnt done an upgrade on my packages for about 1week maybe 1.5 weeks and i just did and it seems my X is way more snappier and everything is running super smooth. was there some kind of kernel update or major driver updates for X? |
| 19:11.14 | CRUNK | not complaining just wondering |
| 19:11.33 | valdyn | CRUNK: in which debian release? |
| 19:11.41 | CRUNK | 6.0.5 |
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| 19:12.15 | valdyn | CRUNK: nothing much changed |
| 19:12.32 | CRUNK | weird... my X used to have fractals everywhere now those are gone |
| 19:12.37 | CRUNK | mouth is smooth |
| 19:12.41 | CRUNK | i have a shitty netbook |
| 19:12.49 | valdyn | CRUNK: maybe your eyes got worse |
| 19:12.50 | CRUNK | nowits super fast heh |
| 19:12.52 | CRUNK | LOL |
| 19:13.30 | valdyn | CRUNK: I guess its possible that some small fix had large changes for you |
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| 19:14.07 | CRUNK | valdyn: yeah its probably something to that nature but hey this is great |
| 19:14.16 | CRUNK | i mean its noticeably way better |
| 19:14.46 | CRUNK | valdyn: cool well thanks for the brainstorming |
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| 19:15.59 | dizzylizzy | Is there a reason apt-cache would suddenly be running in the background, preventing me from accessing the cache or perform operations until it finished? |
| 19:16.09 | thewanderer1 | dizzylizzy: yes, update-notifier |
| 19:16.22 | valdyn | thewanderer1: uh? |
| 19:16.36 | valdyn | dizzylizzy: not apt-cache |
| 19:16.42 | thewanderer1 | okay, probably apt-get |
| 19:17.05 | valdyn | dizzylizzy: you mean apt-get or something equivalent |
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| 19:17.18 | dizzylizzy | it appears it's cron-apt |
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| 19:17.27 | dizzylizzy | sorry 'bout that |
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| 19:19.49 | thewanderer1 | if I use setfacl to alter ACLs on an NFSv4 (are they separate cases?) mount on Debian/Linux, does it send POSIX 1.e ACL or NFSv4 ACL to the server? |
| 19:20.14 | zleslie | lsb_release -c tells me that I am running sid. I disagree. How is this state determined? |
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| 19:21.59 | valdyn | zleslie: youre wrong then |
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| 19:22.32 | valdyn | zleslie: it reads /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:23.51 | zleslie | Hey, I can be wrong and disagree if I want to :) |
| 19:24.29 | zleslie | debian_version seems like the obvious answer now. Says wheezy/sid |
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| 19:24.41 | zleslie | Should be just wheezy, with a couple packages from sid |
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| 19:39.34 | h8R_at_work | hello, anybody willing to help me resolve apt-get issue http://pastebin.com/K63KDq76 ? |
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| 19:43.30 | T-Guy | Do you believe that all muslims are terrorists? |
| 19:44.07 | adb | h8R_at_work, aptitude update, was done before command ? |
| 19:44.22 | moty66 | T-Guy: no |
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| 19:44.35 | adb | !spam T-Guy |
| 19:44.43 | thewanderer1 | !ops T-Guy |
| 19:44.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: thewanderer1 complains about: T-Guy |
| 19:44.55 | moty66 | !ops T-Guy |
| 19:44.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: moty66 complains about: T-Guy |
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| 19:46.22 | h8R_at_work | adb: yep |
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| 19:47.33 | h8R_at_work | adb: i've messed something, but not sure what :D |
| 19:47.37 | adb | i susspect a source list issue |
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| 19:47.44 | h8R_at_work | adb: i've just added new one |
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| 19:48.05 | h8R_at_work | adb: this one http://pastebin.com/Q2nRyyHt |
| 19:48.09 | adb | yes but sure is wrong one , hehe |
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| 19:48.59 | h8R_at_work | adb: can i clear everything and start over :) |
| 19:49.18 | adb | is better |
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| 19:49.45 | adb | even your link is spam ... |
| 19:50.01 | h8R_at_work | adb: i've just added the captcha, please refresh |
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| 19:50.36 | adb | not need any captcha for paste here ... |
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| 19:51.10 | h8R_at_work | (think) |
| 19:51.18 | h8R_at_work | adb: ofcourse not here, on pastebin.. |
| 19:51.39 | adb | sources seems ok |
| 19:51.54 | h8R_at_work | adb: so whats next? how to clear everything and start using them |
| 19:52.02 | h8R_at_work | abramart: i can't install anything :S |
| 19:52.26 | h8R_at_work | abramart: ops, i meant adb |
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| 19:53.02 | h8R_at_work | i was sure i'm going to face a situation like this.. it was too easy to be true with that apt-get install thing |
| 19:53.08 | adb | you are on squeeze , or not yet |
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| 19:53.53 | h8R_at_work | cat /etc/debian-version prints 6.0.5 |
| 19:54.08 | adb | i means been on old stabe , hmm |
| 19:54.44 | h8R_at_work | adb: so I'm using stable with testing sources or vice versa (think) doh |
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| 19:55.08 | adb | paste NEW installing someting for errors , if any |
| 19:55.45 | adb | squeeze is stable now, |
| 19:55.51 | h8R_at_work | adb: http://pastebin.com/jUTpjZ2h |
| 19:56.37 | h8R_at_work | adb: i got this error for whatever i try to install |
| 19:56.45 | adb | , versions inkscape\ |
| 19:56.46 | judd | No package named 'inkscape\' was found in i386. |
| 19:56.50 | adb | , versions inkscape |
| 19:56.51 | judd | Package: inkscape on i386 -- lenny: 0.46-2.lenny2; squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1; sid: 0.48.3.1-1+b1; wheezy: 0.48.3.1-1+b1 |
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| 19:57.28 | mjt | h8R_at_work: please paste result of 'ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info' |
| 19:58.03 | adb | so install it whit aptitude , and see |
| 19:58.09 | mjt | this: "unable to open files list file for package `liblircclient0': No such device or address" - indicates quite something is wrong |
| 19:58.22 | mjt | aptitude wont help since it will call dpkg the same way |
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| 19:58.53 | mjt | i suspect damaged /var filesystem |
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| 19:59.20 | alex- | Is debian vulnerable to this? |
| 19:59.22 | alex- | http://packetstormsecurity.org/UNIX/penetration/rootkits/ |
| 19:59.33 | Woet | damn you alex- |
| 19:59.35 | h8R_at_work | mjt: LOOts of stuff there, want me to grep something? |
| 19:59.42 | Woet | A Web Threat has been detected by VirusBarrier. Do you want to block it? |
| 19:59.43 | Woet | :p |
| 19:59.43 | adb | if same issue , try 'wget inkscape .47.0-2+b1 blablah, ND |
| 19:59.43 | adb | and try install it whit 'dpkg inkscape' |
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| 19:59.53 | alex- | Woet: really? |
| 19:59.57 | Woet | yea |
| 19:59.59 | alex- | fuck |
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| 20:00.01 | alex- | I don't get it xd |
| 20:00.03 | Woet | :D |
| 20:00.03 | alex- | i mean |
| 20:00.06 | alex- | I dont get any error |
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| 20:00.16 | mjt | adb: it is dpkg who gives error, so your 3rd way will not work the same way |
| 20:00.18 | Woet | the link is on a blacklist |
| 20:00.19 | Woet | in my anti virus |
| 20:00.44 | mjt | h8R_at_work: do you have pastebinit util installed? |
| 20:00.57 | h8R_at_work | mjt: nope |
| 20:01.04 | mjt | h8R_at_work: if not, ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblircclient0* |
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| 20:01.20 | mjt | h8R_at_work: and ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/inkscape* |
| 20:01.28 | alex- | Woet: why? |
| 20:01.32 | Woet | alex-: not sure |
| 20:01.32 | h8R_at_work | mjt: http://pastebin.com/tFKeqyjg |
| 20:01.48 | mjt | h8R_at_work: this is HOSED. |
| 20:02.04 | mjt | brw-r----T 1 1671477121 3078746157 230, 22 Sep 25 1935 /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblircclient0.list |
| 20:02.13 | mjt | this is a damaged /var filesystem |
| 20:02.21 | mjt | it is garbage |
| 20:02.28 | h8R_at_work | doh |
| 20:02.35 | adb | see year ... 1935 |
| 20:02.37 | h8R_at_work | mjt: its on my virtual box |
| 20:02.54 | mjt | so you may try fsck-boot (touch /forcefsck; reboot) |
| 20:03.15 | mjt | if it finds anything, nice, you need that check anyway |
| 20:03.33 | mjt | later you'll probably need to find other bad files in there and recover |
| 20:03.54 | mjt | not only in /var/lib/dpkg/info but in whole /var or, if it is the same as your root fs, in whole OS. |
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| 20:04.16 | h8R_at_work | blah, so i have to reboot, mount fs as read only and then run fsck ? |
| 20:04.17 | adb | mjt , fine comments , tks |
| 20:04.17 | mjt | anything can be damaged, just anything |
| 20:05.17 | mjt | h8R_at_work: yes, by creating file /forcefsck you tell it to run fsck automatically on next reboot |
| 20:05.36 | h8R_at_work | mjt: thats a new thing for me! thnks i'll doit right away! |
| 20:06.12 | mjt | but you need to seriously rethink your virtual host environment. |
| 20:06.32 | h8R_at_work | mjt: its only for testing |
| 20:06.41 | mjt | in that case better just throw it away |
| 20:06.44 | h8R_at_work | brb, i'll reboot and came back |
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| 20:07.00 | mjt | because it is impossible to tell what else is damaged |
| 20:07.08 | h8R_at_work | mjt: it because host machine is winbloze :D |
| 20:07.15 | mjt | um |
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| 20:07.25 | mjt | well, it is not a reason for such behavour anyway |
| 20:07.48 | h8R_at_work | brb, i'm curious if this fsck will cure my /var |
| 20:07.55 | mjt | i doubt it will |
| 20:08.09 | mjt | you'll have to fix at least 2 files by hand |
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| 20:08.50 | mjt | adb: it is not the date which is interesting. it is the type of the file |
| 20:08.53 | david89 | Hello. How do I change to testing? |
| 20:09.23 | adb | mjt, i see |
| 20:09.27 | mjt | adb: it is a block device, ie, a disk, not a plain text file. |
| 20:09.35 | mjt | a disk which does not exist. |
| 20:10.06 | mjt | and together with the date, permission bits and ownership it looks like complete garbage. |
| 20:10.07 | adb | david89, don't , tou |
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| 20:10.21 | david89 | adb: I need it for mono |
| 20:10.26 | adb | if you don't know |
| 20:10.42 | adb | , versions mono |
| 20:10.43 | judd | No package named 'mono' was found in i386. |
| 20:10.45 | david89 | adb: I've never used debian, doesn't mean I've never used linux |
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| 20:11.57 | davidgul | hi |
| 20:12.07 | sencha | david89, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:12.33 | adb | , versions mono-complete |
| 20:12.34 | judd | Package: mono-complete on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.6.7-5; sid: 2.10.8.1-3; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-3 |
| 20:12.35 | davidgul | i have asus eee pc laptop and i wont to configure the trackpad in xfce |
| 20:12.42 | davidgul | how can i do this ?? |
| 20:12.52 | david89 | adb: that might solve my problem |
| 20:12.55 | sencha | davidgul, configure it to do what? |
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| 20:13.42 | davidgul | sencha : tap to click |
| 20:13.44 | david89 | adb: I'll explain. I have a vps with debian stable, need mono on it, don't care if it gets fucked up or what else |
| 20:13.47 | adb | , eee-pc |
| 20:13.59 | adb | ! eee-pc |
| 20:14.39 | adb | stable has mono , so ... |
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| 20:15.00 | david89 | adb: exactly, solved it |
| 20:15.01 | adb | use it's version |
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| 20:15.12 | adb | !next |
| 20:15.12 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 20:16.31 | sencha | davidgul, you'll want to copy /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and then edit it with the follows options: |
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| 20:16.57 | sencha | Option "TapButton1" "1", Option "TapButton2" "2", Option "TapButton3" "3" |
| 20:17.51 | adb | , dpkg eeepc |
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| 20:18.27 | adb | dpkg, eeepc |
| 20:18.27 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:18.41 | adb | find it .. |
| 20:19.14 | sencha | davidgul, nonetheless, what I said should work |
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| 20:20.21 | sencha | davidgul, if you need more details, PM me |
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| 20:20.41 | davidgul | sencha : i need to add this line Option "TapButton1" "1", Option "TapButton2" "2", Option "TapButton3" "3" to /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d ? |
| 20:21.10 | sencha | davidgul, can I PM you? |
| 20:21.22 | adb | sencha, stay public, it's chat here |
| 20:21.23 | davidgul | ok |
| 20:21.40 | sencha | adb, okay, just didn't want to paste several lines |
| 20:21.42 | n-iCe | who's using testing here? |
| 20:21.53 | adb | !paste |
| 20:21.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:22.16 | abrotman | adb: please msg the bot |
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| 20:22.36 | sencha | davidgul, mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d; cp /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 20:22.42 | adb | was for sencha ... |
| 20:22.52 | abrotman | adb: so use the !tell feature |
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| 20:23.07 | abrotman | !tell adb about msg the bot |
| 20:23.12 | abrotman | for example |
| 20:23.26 | adb | yeah, just don't remembered in times |
| 20:23.32 | sencha | davidgul, then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf and put: Option "TapButton1" "1" |
| 20:23.37 | sencha | Option "TapButton2" "2" |
| 20:23.42 | h8R_at_work | mjt: fsck checked my hdd, but I got no error, stil can't install anything with apt-get install |
| 20:23.47 | sencha | and so on (up to 3), in the first InputClass section |
| 20:23.56 | sencha | davidgul, save the file, restart X, and tap to click should work |
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| 20:24.42 | h8R_at_work | mjt: here is the error i got http://pastebin.com/XXq9VUai |
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| 20:26.31 | jelly-home | !confuse BotaniCar |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | No, what are their bacon tomorrow, BotaniCar? Breeches of the People's Republic of Liechtenstein with extra cream. |
| 20:27.29 | JoeHazzers | h8R_at_work: is it just that package, or all packages? |
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| 20:31.56 | mjt | h8R_at_work: rm that file, check if you have other funky stuff in there |
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| 20:32.21 | mjt | h8R_at_work: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblircclient0.list; touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblircclient0.list |
| 20:32.40 | mjt | h8R_at_work: also touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/inkscape.list |
| 20:33.13 | mjt | h8R_at_work: and reinstall (apt-get install --reinstall) inkscape and liblircclient0 to recreate these files correctly |
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| 20:33.54 | mjt | h8R_at_work: as i already mentioned, anything else can be damaged, so check carefully what else looks wrong |
| 20:34.25 | mjt | h8R_at_work: note you can't verify if file _content_ has been altered |
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| 20:35.26 | davidgul | some one know how to set up my wifi card in asus eee pc ? |
| 20:35.50 | mjt | !wifi |
| 20:35.50 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:36.32 | mjt | !eeepc |
| 20:36.32 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:37.53 | abrotman | !tell mjt about msg the bot |
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| 20:39.04 | h8R_at_work | mjt: (hug) thanks a lot for the help, i'll try the things you've consult me and i'll msg you with the result |
| 20:39.23 | mjt | h8R_at_work: no need to msg me please ;) |
| 20:39.35 | h8R_at_work | i mean here.. :) |
| 20:39.46 | mjt | !tell abrotman about thanks |
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| 20:42.11 | Eediot | What should I use to get a keyboard shortcut for "Maximize across both monitors"? |
| 20:42.24 | Eediot | (in a dual monitor system of course) |
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| 20:44.27 | Eediot | also "switch window to other monitor" would be good |
| 20:45.51 | davidgul | some one know how to set up my wifi card in asus eee pc 1015pn ? |
| 20:46.06 | mjt | doh. |
| 20:46.31 | mjt | davidgul: dpkg knows, and told you already |
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| 20:47.36 | BotaniCar | jelly: you know me all to well sir ! Bacon makes me loose my bearing :) |
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| 20:48.53 | davidgul | dpkf : <broadcom> |
| 20:49.12 | davidgul | how can i ask dpkg ? |
| 20:49.20 | jelly-home | davidgul: /msg dpkg broadcom |
| 20:49.34 | mjt | it is dpkg not dpkf to start with |
| 20:49.43 | _aeris_ | hello #debian |
| 20:49.58 | _aeris_ | i have some trouble with ipv6 on one of my serv |
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| 20:51.08 | _aeris_ | http://pastebin.com/6uKRsCFC |
| 20:51.16 | _aeris_ | here is my conf and some test |
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| 20:51.45 | _aeris_ | ifup start eth0 but fail at end |
| 20:51.58 | _aeris_ | let the interface in some mystic state |
| 20:52.01 | davidgul | !wifi |
| 20:52.01 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:52.15 | _aeris_ | addr are correctly set, but not the route |
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| 20:52.29 | _aeris_ | and ifdown/ifup fail |
| 20:53.06 | _aeris_ | « RTNETLINK answers: No such process » seems cause by route |
| 20:53.34 | _aeris_ | and « SIOCSIFADDR: File exists » always here if i add the inet6 part in the config file |
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| 20:55.12 | StFS | Hi. Is there any way to tell apt (or, specifically aptitude) not to install recommended packages for a specific package? I know I can do it "globally" by putting APT::Install-Recommends "0" into the config file but that will affect all packages, I just want it for one specific package because aptitude keeps trying to install the recommendation everytime I open it now. |
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| 20:55.46 | mjt | man aptitude, search for "recommends" ? |
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| 20:57.07 | StFS | mjt: doesn't seem to have anything about specific packages |
| 20:57.35 | mjt | but you can en/disable it on command line |
| 20:57.50 | mjt | so you can install just that package using different setting |
| 20:58.41 | mjt | you can't have special after-packagename chars (+|&=/...) for everything :) |
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| 21:04.21 | T-Guy | I can't open torrent:// magnet links with my torrent client, Transmission ?! |
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| 21:07.28 | GNU\colossus | T-Guy, sure you can. click "File", then "Add URL..." |
| 21:07.35 | GNU\colossus | paste the magnet link in there |
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| 21:09.50 | T-Guy | tnx GNU\colossus |
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| 21:10.28 | Eediot | Is there a way to get a dual monitors keyboard shortcut like "Maximize across both monitors"? |
| 21:10.34 | Eediot | Nvidia card btw |
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| 21:10.36 | maurer | Hey, I'm trying to build a custom kernel with make-kpkg |
| 21:10.48 | maurer | However, the kernel fails to boot because it can't detect my disk |
| 21:10.56 | Eediot | Or hell for AMD would be nice to know too |
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| 21:11.36 | GNU\colossus | maurer, remember to build it with initrd support |
| 21:11.51 | maurer | GNU\colossus: Do I need to manually enable that? |
| 21:12.07 | maurer | GNU\colossus: What I did was I copied the /boot/config file from a released kernel to .config in my custom sources directory |
| 21:12.18 | maurer | Then ran make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image |
| 21:12.32 | maurer | What else do I need to do to add initrd support? |
| 21:12.49 | GNU\colossus | maurer, I build my kernels like this: http://paste.debian.net/169169/ |
| 21:13.14 | maurer | Ah, so --initrd is what I was missing |
| 21:13.18 | maurer | Thanks |
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| 21:40.16 | Sw33NY | there is anyone here ? |
| 21:40.24 | craigevil | !anyone |
| 21:40.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:41.07 | Sw33NY | Is ASUS KGPE-D16 mainboard require ASUS PIKE expansion card to make working SAS ports ? |
| 21:41.47 | Sw33NY | Debian Squeeze 6.0.4 detect no any hard drives connected on |
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| 21:46.29 | rootant | nn |
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| 21:47.16 | solstis | hello |
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| 21:49.23 | solstis | a fresh install of 'testing' cannot find any wi-fi networks, although the installation process used wi-fi. what seems strange is that wucd->preferences->general settings: wireless interface has nothing in the field |
| 21:49.31 | solstis | *wicd |
| 21:49.57 | solstis | any thoughts on that? |
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| 21:52.31 | solstis | a fresh install of 'testing' cannot find any wi-fi networks, although the installation process used wi-fi. what seems strange is that wicd->preferences->general settings: wireless interface has nothing in the field |
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| 21:53.15 | brthmthr | MURRAY |
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| 21:57.46 | dizzylizzy | I'm looking to configure apt not to download or check translations at all |
| 21:59.01 | dizzylizzy | Instead of literally every language |
| 21:59.22 | dizzylizzy | My locale is only en_US.UTF-8, nothing else |
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| 22:01.12 | ompaul | it must look at the full repo, if you don't go installing stuff that has deps in other languages you won't go getting too much extra, debian lives on the planet if you want to customise please feel free to do so, but be aware that you are taking a packaged distro it comes with some stuff by default |
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| 22:03.43 | dizzylizzy | It didn't have two pages of Translations files a few days ago |
| 22:03.47 | dizzylizzy | all right |
| 22:03.57 | ompaul | what did you install in the mean time? |
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| 22:04.07 | dizzylizzy | No, it's still doing it immediately after a fresh bare minimum install |
| 22:04.10 | dizzylizzy | :-/ |
| 22:04.38 | dizzylizzy | it seems to be slowing down my cache queries and my installation commands too, it hangs for 5-15 seconds before acting |
| 22:04.44 | dizzylizzy | I've run strace and it's going through translation files mostly |
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| 22:05.08 | dizzylizzy | i will join #debian-next |
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| 22:05.15 | ompaul | ahh there's your issue |
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| 22:05.26 | ompaul | running testing and expecting the box to remain the same |
| 22:05.36 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 22:13.01 | Sovereign | Debian is a 4 gig install? |
| 22:13.14 | scientes_ | Sovereign, far smaller |
| 22:13.48 | scientes_ | Sovereign, but ALL of debian is ~25 GB |
| 22:13.50 | Sovereign | I have a 1.1 gig disk but don't know where i downloaded from |
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| 22:14.38 | III | chose, what you want |
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| 22:19.37 | Sovereign | scientes_ the net install has failed me a few times I'll try once again |
| 22:19.54 | scientes_ | Sovereign, try the installable live CD |
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| 22:20.05 | nsadmin | Sovereign, maybe 4g of packages... and you can have a min of maybe 300mb |
| 22:20.36 | nsadmin | Sovereign, why did it fail? |
| 22:21.05 | nvz | desktop install from cd1 is 1.6gb |
| 22:21.20 | nvz | about double that with gnome installed afterward |
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| 22:21.29 | Sovereign | nsadmin not sure the live cd is what i'm looking for |
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| 22:23.11 | III | good night everybody! :) |
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| 22:24.44 | nsadmin | Sovereign, you are not sure the live cd is what you're looking for? what alternatives are you looking at? |
| 22:24.59 | Sovereign | scientes_, fount it thanks |
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| 22:25.04 | Sovereign | found |
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| 22:26.16 | Sovereign | nsadmin, I just need something to put on a vm the live dvd is what i used on the system |
| 22:27.22 | Sovereign | only problem is the system resolution is very low and cant be changed |
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| 22:28.20 | Sw33NY | Sovereign, need the Guest Additions |
| 22:28.41 | Sovereign | for full screen? |
| 22:28.49 | nsadmin | Sovereign, lots of times, the problem with a net install is either can't detect network hardware (usually wireless) or can't boot into it |
| 22:28.54 | Sw33NY | but on Live DVD I'm not sure you can install it because it's in RAM |
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| 22:29.35 | Sw33NY | I say wrong thing nsadmin ? |
| 22:30.03 | Sovereign | nsadmin, it failed half way into installing the system |
| 22:30.05 | nsadmin | Sw33NY, no; I agree with you |
| 22:30.50 | nsadmin | Sovereign, you -could- debootstrap from a live cd, and install kernel and grub after |
| 22:31.23 | nsadmin | Sovereign, half way into installing the base/ |
| 22:31.26 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 22:32.07 | nsadmin | -maybe- the /usr partition was filling up? |
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| 22:33.44 | Sovereign | nsadmin, it installed the base but the network part failed and I used georgia tech which is close |
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| 22:34.20 | nsadmin | Sovereign, basic questions I have... this is a remote? |
| 22:35.25 | Sovereign | nsadmin, a remote? |
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| 22:35.45 | Sovereign | No gT was the mirror |
| 22:36.16 | nsadmin | the machine you're thinking about installind debian on... what distance is it from you? thousands of miles? sitting on your lap? |
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| 22:36.42 | Sovereign | i'm in frount of it |
| 22:36.47 | Sovereign | front\ |
| 22:37.00 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you have full physical access to it |
| 22:37.07 | Sovereign | yes |
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| 22:37.30 | dyingloop | i'm trying to install |
| 22:37.35 | dyingloop | these drivers |
| 22:37.37 | dyingloop | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 22:37.50 | dyingloop | however |
| 22:38.13 | dyingloop | I am getting an error after I create a dir |
| 22:38.17 | nsadmin | when you tried installing before, how much disk space did you want to give it? |
| 22:38.32 | dyingloop | this step |
| 22:38.34 | dyingloop | # cp rtl8192u_linux_2.6.0006.1031.2008/firmware/RTL8192U/* /usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U |
| 22:38.56 | Sovereign | nsadmin, i think it was 8 gig in vb |
| 22:39.20 | nsadmin | 8 gigs should be plenty |
| 22:39.33 | dyingloop | The error is " cp: cannot stat ' rtl8192u_linux_2.6.0006.1031.2008/firmware/RTL8192U/* ' : No Such file or directory |
| 22:40.17 | nsadmin | dyingloop, echo ". $(pwd)" |
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| 22:40.41 | dyingloop | it's running under root |
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| 22:41.15 | Sovereign | nsadmin, this system works fine with 4 other distros but in Debian the resolution is low where do I start to rectify this problem |
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| 22:42.41 | dyingloop | any suggestions? |
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| 22:44.45 | vlt | Hello. How can I install a package (with apt or aptitude) without (re)starting or stopping any processes? (Similar to what `debootstrap --include` does.) |
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| 22:46.54 | n-iCe | is there any way to install Debian without bootin a cd or usb? |
| 22:47.14 | korkman | n-iCe: yes via pxe boot |
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| 22:47.28 | n-iCe | pxe boot? |
| 22:47.35 | korkman | n-iCe: network boot |
| 22:47.57 | korkman | nice for servers |
| 22:48.05 | n-iCe | oh, the pc has no cd/usb I'm sure it will not have network boot |
| 22:49.02 | vlt | n-iCe: debootstrap is another option |
| 22:49.41 | n-iCe | let me google it |
| 22:50.31 | vlt | n-iCe: If no CD, USB or network boot … what does the PC have then you want to install from/to? |
| 22:51.08 | Tramp | !rube goldberg install |
| 22:51.08 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 22:51.27 | n-iCe | vlt: windows |
| 22:51.31 | nsadmin | connect usb to eyesocket |
| 22:51.53 | n-iCe | bios has no option to boot from usb |
| 22:52.33 | dyingloop | cd? |
| 22:52.42 | nsadmin | insert straw where nuculear control rod it |
| 22:52.53 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe: I've seen '97 PCs boot from network |
| 22:52.56 | nsadmin | can it boot from lan |
| 22:52.57 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 22:52.59 | thewanderer1 | just look real hard... |
| 22:53.06 | vlt | n-iCe: Two thoughts: You could either take the HD to another machine or try to find something like Ubuntu offers for installing from within windows. I think it’s called “wubi”. |
| 22:53.08 | dokma | can ssh be used instead of ftp without alowing users to login interactively? |
| 22:53.35 | nsadmin | you shoudl be able to allow scp |
| 22:53.39 | Sovereign | hotepankh |
| 22:53.39 | ompaul | dokma: ssh and scp combination and sftp |
| 22:54.03 | dokma | scp goes over ssh daemon right? |
| 22:54.12 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 22:54.33 | nsadmin | well not exactly "goes over", but more "is started by" |
| 22:54.33 | dokma | so I create a user and how do I allow scp only without allowing interactive login? |
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| 22:54.43 | dokma | ohhh, I see |
| 22:55.09 | vlt | n-iCe: You actually could use wubi and then, once Ubuntu is running, replace it with Debian. |
| 22:55.15 | gnarface | dokma: read the man page for the sshd_config file look for chrooted sftp-only or something like that. there is a built-in feature for what you want |
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| 22:55.28 | nsadmin | that's the same for all ssh connections... evidence is, you kill off the ssh daemon, and existing ssh connections continue |
| 22:55.36 | dokma | gnarface: cool, thanks a bunch! |
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| 22:56.17 | gnarface | dokma: before like version 5x there was tricks people used by running a separate sshd inside a chroot or something of that sort. don't get distracted googling up instructions for that, its way harder and unecessary now |
| 22:56.45 | dokma | gnarface: is this what you reffer to: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 ??? |
| 22:57.22 | nsadmin | well I think he meant, man 5 sshd_config |
| 22:57.31 | gnarface | dokma: yea that looks about right. but you'll want to check the man page for your current version. that looks a bit old and might not be 100% accurate anymore |
| 22:57.57 | dokma | cool, the tutor gives me a general feel for what's up |
| 22:57.59 | gnarface | probably, nsadmin |
| 22:58.24 | dokma | man pages are good for when I get a grasp of the general concepts |
| 22:58.32 | dokma | but usually not very good for getting into stuff |
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| 22:59.23 | nsadmin | dokma, that man page in particular is for what a sshd_config file can have in it |
| 22:59.42 | dokma | isnt't that obvious? |
| 23:00.24 | nsadmin | is it? oh, ok |
| 23:00.45 | dyingloop | um |
| 23:00.49 | dyingloop | i can't find firefox |
| 23:00.53 | dyingloop | for debian |
| 23:00.53 | dyingloop | ! |
| 23:01.00 | nsadmin | you want iceweasel |
| 23:01.04 | dyingloop | no |
| 23:01.06 | dyingloop | sorry |
| 23:01.07 | dyingloop | firefox |
| 23:01.19 | gnarface | *sigh* not this again |
| 23:01.30 | nsadmin | debian is not permitted to distribute firefox under that name. |
| 23:01.49 | dyingloop | shit |
| 23:02.01 | dyingloop | really? i thought i had FF on debian ages back |
| 23:02.13 | nsadmin | you may well have |
| 23:02.14 | n-iCe | chrome ftw |
| 23:02.23 | gnarface | dyingloop: its really the same software exactly, just with an even dumber icon and some slightly more secure defaults. debian's permission to redistribute the *logo* was revoked |
| 23:02.24 | craigevil | !whyiceweasel |
| 23:02.25 | dyingloop | sorry i don't trust google |
| 23:02.34 | craigevil | !why iceweasel |
| 23:02.34 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 23:02.46 | Sovereign | dyingloop, it's something about the artwork being copy protected |
| 23:02.54 | dyingloop | that's extremely dumb |
| 23:02.58 | gnarface | yes |
| 23:03.01 | dyingloop | but it's to be expected |
| 23:03.18 | craigevil | its the same browser just a different name |
| 23:03.19 | thewanderer1 | dyingloop: you have Iceweasel (identical to Firefox) and Chromium (Chrome, but *open source* and without *Google spyware*) in Debian... |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | not *identical* |
| 23:03.42 | dyingloop | heh i'll stick to iceweasel |
| 23:03.58 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: okay, some minor differences, usually irrelevant |
| 23:04.01 | craigevil | Iceweasel IS Firefox - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=73796 |
| 23:04.05 | cardamon | I don't have a DE, so none of the handy automounting stuff is built in. I need to allow my user to mount, maybe even auto mount, flash drives. |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | craigevil: we could play the "If it were Debian, it would say Debian" game .. |
| 23:04.56 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: "user" option in fstab should be enough I guess |
| 23:05.18 | craigevil | user auto |
| 23:06.09 | cardamon | Okay. And if I unmount it...it won't automatically remount, will it? |
| 23:06.19 | thewanderer1 | there is supposedly udisks, but it requires lots of helpers like policykit and dbus |
| 23:06.29 | Sovereign | thewanderer1, what do you mean without google spyware |
| 23:06.34 | craigevil | well where it counts it is firefox, add-ons/plugins for firefox all work the same in iceweasel |
| 23:06.36 | JoeHazzers | the only reason anything should mount itself is because it's set up to do so specifically |
| 23:06.51 | cardamon | Sovereign: Chrome tracks usage. Mainly searches. Anonymously. |
| 23:07.11 | JoeHazzers | use chromium, disable tracking, be happy |
| 23:07.17 | thewanderer1 | there was a privacy issue with it, too - now solved, but the aftertaste remains |
| 23:07.21 | craigevil | google does that no matter what browser you use , if you use google search |
| 23:07.32 | cardamon | craigevil: Also true. |
| 23:07.58 | Sovereign | I didnt know that so it's no need to use this duck search engine |
| 23:08.14 | Sovereign | ok got you |
| 23:08.18 | cardamon | I use iceweasel because: It's in the repos and vimperator is better than vimium |
| 23:08.33 | JoeHazzers | i use firefox because i don't care about this butthurt |
| 23:09.09 | vlt | Hello. How can I install a package (with apt or aptitude) without (re)starting or stopping any processes? (Similar to what `debootstrap` does: just installing and configuring.) |
| 23:09.24 | abrotman | vlt: depends what the package is |
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| 23:10.37 | thewanderer1 | vlt: I guess you mean something like http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt ? |
| 23:10.48 | vlt | abrotman: When I run debootstrap with its --include option I can add any package I want (ssh server, for example) without it being run. I need the same for apti(itude). |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | vlt: for all packages? |
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| 23:11.29 | craigevil | cardamon, Pentadactyl :) xul-ext-pentadactyl - Vim-inspired, keyboard-accessible user interface for Iceweasel/Firefox |
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| 23:12.27 | vlt | abrotman: All I’ve tried so far. |
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| 23:14.48 | gnarface | is it possible to use bluetooth to send/receive SMS messages through one's own cellphone from one's computer? |
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| 23:15.17 | sencha | How do I install grub to a partition (I'm not sure if this is the right wording)... I want to chainload from LILO to my debian partition |
| 23:16.46 | sencha | when I installed debian, I opted to write to the MBR.. now I just want to install the bootloader to that partition, if that makes any sense |
| 23:16.53 | _aeris_ | sencha > why LILO *AND* Grub ? |
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| 23:17.01 | craigevil | uses DeskSMS in firefox and chrome |
| 23:17.10 | sencha | _aeris_, Slackware is my main OS, and it only has LILO |
| 23:17.22 | sencha | _aeris_, I'm not familiar with Grub |
| 23:17.23 | amphorion | grub-install /dev/sdaX |
| 23:17.32 | sencha | amphorion, it complains when I do that |
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| 23:17.37 | _aeris_ | so install grub and conf it to boot debian or slack =) |
| 23:18.36 | abrotman | sencha: complains how ? |
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| 23:18.45 | sencha | amphorion, "Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition. This is a BAD idea..." |
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| 23:19.03 | sencha | _aeris_, I would, but I prefer LILO :P |
| 23:19.03 | mithrop | hi here |
| 23:19.11 | zleslie | hi where |
| 23:19.22 | judgen | i can not find the packages for fglrx in debian after adding contrib and non-free, what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:19.27 | mithrop | zleslie, France :p |
| 23:19.31 | abrotman | !tell judgen about fglrx |
| 23:19.40 | amphorion | judgen: testing??? |
| 23:19.46 | judgen | wheezy yes |
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| 23:20.10 | amphorion | fglrx isn't in testing anymore because Xorg 1.12 |
| 23:20.46 | abrotman | judgen: can the 'radeon' driver make your card work ? |
| 23:20.57 | sencha | goes to boot into the debian CD |
| 23:21.22 | judgen | abrotman: nope |
| 23:21.34 | judgen | abrotman: i have to run with nomodeset option in grub |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | hugs intel |
| 23:21.47 | judgen | it was there just a few days ago |
| 23:21.54 | judgen | the packages that is |
| 23:21.59 | dizzylizzy | Hello, I just did a fresh minimal installation and now my terminal font is set to Lat15/Fixed/8x16 -- and the extended characters (e.g. the line-drawing characters) are no longer displayed. Can someone tell me what's specified in their /etc/default/console-setup ? |
| 23:22.26 | amphorion | judgen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 |
| 23:22.28 | mithrop | I have a problem with the critical bug on python-kde4 package. Can I return to the previous version until the correction is done ? (and how can I do it, please) ^^ |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: extended meaning UTF8 ? |
| 23:22.40 | abrotman | !tell mithrop about sdn |
| 23:22.47 | dyingloop | Hey...I just followed these instructions and installed the drivers |
| 23:22.48 | dyingloop | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 23:22.54 | dyingloop | when i type iwconfig |
| 23:22.56 | judgen | amphorion: i am not using X at the moment, running in cli land. |
| 23:23.02 | dyingloop | i don't see any wireless connections |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | moves to cli land .. seems nice |
| 23:23.11 | dizzylizzy | abrotman: Yes, I have UTF-8 set, and yes the UTF-8 charset |
| 23:23.27 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: and you've logged out/in since setting that? |
| 23:23.29 | amphorion | judgen: why you need fglrx for cli ??? |
| 23:23.38 | judgen | amphorion: No but for X |
| 23:23.38 | dizzylizzy | It was UTF-8 when I logged in |
| 23:23.39 | abrotman | amphorion: one would guess he'd like to use X ? |
| 23:23.40 | dizzylizzy | and I've run setupcon |
| 23:23.55 | mithrop | abrotman, ok thank you. I'll take a look on these. |
| 23:23.59 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: you've tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ? |
| 23:24.18 | judgen | amphorion: my card does not run on the radeon driver. But i can not disable it with modprobe -r radeon for some reason. |
| 23:24.55 | judgen | but the packages were available a few days back... |
| 23:25.05 | judgen | am i doing something wrong? |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | judgen: that's how 'testing' works .. |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | judgen: i just had to remove the gnome metapackage |
| 23:25.36 | judgen | abrotman: I know, but my mainboard is not supported by the stable installer afaik. |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | judgen: why not? have you checked with kmuto stuff? |
| 23:26.01 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: as a side note, "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" can seriously change the behaviour of dpkg-reconfigure -- showing you more or less questions |
| 23:26.09 | judgen | i tried it in march, and stable would not boot on my machine |
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| 23:26.17 | abrotman | peterrooney: or dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | on any package |
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| 23:27.17 | judgen | abrotman: but i have a rather odd machine. It will not run windows 2k, xp or any other pre windows vista windows os either. |
| 23:27.24 | judgen | not even with the proper drivers |
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| 23:28.42 | abrotman | judgen: sounds like a mac |
| 23:28.51 | judgen | abrotman: worse.. it is an HP |
| 23:29.00 | judgen | EFI crap |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | judgen: Netserver ? |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 23:29.26 | dizzylizzy | peterrooney: thank you very much for that! |
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| 23:29.38 | judgen | but debian testing worked fine a few days ago. I installed my SSD two days ago and today i attempted a install of debian. |
| 23:29.39 | dizzylizzy | abrotman: and from that menu it seems I want unicode |
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| 23:29.50 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: all sorted out ? |
| 23:29.50 | judgen | now i got no X |
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| 23:30.05 | cardamon | Oh, that's weird. I already have a /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 in my fstab |
| 23:30.11 | abrotman | judgen: as i said, that's part of the problem with running testing |
| 23:30.12 | judgen | should i use the AMD .run? |
| 23:30.13 | dizzylizzy | abrotman: reboot tiem! |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 23:30.47 | amphorion | judgen: the AMD.run will not work with X.org 1.12 |
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| 23:31.05 | amphorion | the firmware-linux-nonfree package is installed?? |
| 23:31.24 | judgen | abrotman: What would be my alternative? Swap distro (i would not like that at all), not use debian at all (even worse) or just get everything done in CLI? |
| 23:31.35 | cardamon | Arg. |
| 23:31.36 | judgen | amphorion: can i downgrade the xserver then? |
| 23:31.47 | cardamon | calibre is giving me a seg fault. |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | judgen: generally, i say to wait a few days .. see if it shows up |
| 23:31.56 | n-iCe | to install openbox, just apt-get install openbox? |
| 23:32.03 | n-iCe | 50MB is that all? |
| 23:32.09 | JoeHazzers | n-iCe: yep |
| 23:32.11 | abrotman | judgen: i really don't use amd/ati/nvidia, so i may not be the best reference |
| 23:32.21 | n-iCe | awesome, JoeHazzers any idea how to make it startx at booting? |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | n-iCe: why not use xdm ? |
| 23:32.52 | amphorion | i think AMD will not release a driver with x.org 1.12 support in the near future... |
| 23:32.54 | JoeHazzers | yeah, if you install xdm, it and openbox should be picked up on |
| 23:33.15 | judgen | abrotman: on the forums and the documentation it is claimed that it worked as late as the 8th atleast. |
| 23:33.16 | n-iCe | ok, let's try |
| 23:33.22 | judgen | maybe a few more days will do the trick |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | judgen: okay, but i really don't use it |
| 23:33.30 | judgen | i can live in cli for a few days |
| 23:33.44 | abrotman | judgen: you can also try using vesa .. yuck, but it might be possible |
| 23:34.22 | judgen | abrotman: maybe.. How do i mount a cifs block device from cli? it has been a while? (smb share) |
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| 23:34.51 | abrotman | judgen: smbmount IIRC |
| 23:35.00 | judgen | ok |
| 23:35.41 | mithrop | abrotman, an update was just pushed... |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:36.06 | n-iCe | time to startx ! |
| 23:36.45 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 23:36.53 | n-iCe | sayss startx command not found |
| 23:37.08 | n-iCe | how to start openbox |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you install the 'xorg' package? |
| 23:37.39 | n-iCe | should not that come with openbox? |
| 23:37.50 | abrotman | no |
| 23:37.50 | n-iCe | nah, it does not... |
| 23:37.56 | n-iCe | at least came with xfce if I remember well |
| 23:38.11 | n-iCe | thanks abrotman |
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| 23:38.33 | n-iCe | done, installed, let's try now |
| 23:38.35 | mithrop | abrotman, it's about what I asked some minutes ago, then you told me to see snapshots. My problem is solved without the snapshot thanks to an update five minutes after your answer. Just think you was aware of the bug of python-kde4 ;) |
| 23:38.39 | amphorion | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
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| 23:39.26 | judgen | n-iCe: aptitude install xserver-xorg |
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| 23:40.06 | n-iCe | wow |
| 23:40.08 | n-iCe | startingx |
| 23:40.23 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: you're welcome. |
| 23:41.58 | judgen | abrotman: VESA did work, but only in what seemed like EGA or CGA colour. |
| 23:42.17 | amphorion | judgen: for the radeon thing... is firmware-linux-nonfree installed?? and what radeon card is in use? |
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| 23:42.48 | n-iCe | ok Im in openbox |
| 23:43.05 | n-iCe | thought It did not boot well but it has no menu bars |
| 23:43.05 | judgen | yes the firmware is installed and it is a HP AMD radeon 6480 and a 6790 integrated into one. |
| 23:43.52 | judgen | switchable between when i am on battery and when on regular powersource |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | judgen: that's vesa for you |
| 23:44.20 | n-iCe | wow |
| 23:44.26 | n-iCe | I have nothing haha |
| 23:44.41 | n-iCe | !openbox |
| 23:44.41 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:45.07 | judgen | n-iCe: Openbox is not a desktop manager. Just a window manager. |
| 23:45.44 | judgen | n-iCe: if you want something really small that also do *some* features try fluxbox or amiwm |
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| 23:46.02 | judgen | amiwm might take a while to configure for your liking though |
| 23:46.14 | n-iCe | but I have seen openbox with menu bars etc |
| 23:46.21 | dyingloop | Could somebody help me with figuring installation of this wireless driver? |
| 23:46.26 | judgen | if you want a full desktop.. you are better suited with one of the main four |
| 23:46.29 | n-iCe | im installing iceweasel to start googling |
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| 23:47.48 | judgen | n-iCe: You can install something like conky+awn to make openbox look very nice indeed. But in itself it is afaik "just" an WM |
| 23:48.12 | dyingloop | anyone? |
| 23:48.14 | n-iCe | what do you use_ |
| 23:48.27 | n-iCe | First I need to configure my kerboard all the symbols are wrong haha |
| 23:48.29 | judgen | dyingloop: you have specified nothing to help with... what model? |
| 23:48.33 | dyingloop | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 23:48.49 | dyingloop | I've followed all the steps up to 2 |
| 23:48.50 | judgen | n-iCe: are you in a latin1-15 country? |
| 23:48.57 | n-iCe | yup, mexico |
| 23:49.15 | dyingloop | It is not detecting the wireless |
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| 23:49.40 | judgen | n-iCe: make sure your locale is properly set and you have latin-(insert your number here) |
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| 23:50.51 | n-iCe | judgen: ok im googleing how to |
| 23:50.54 | dyingloop | additionally the panel isn't working |
| 23:51.12 | dyingloop | so I am not entirely sure if my wireless is turned on or not |
| 23:51.26 | judgen | n-iCe: it could also be only in your X settings is set to the wrong keys |
| 23:52.07 | judgen | if you have the proper placement of the questionmark for your language in CLI then it is just an X setting |
| 23:52.11 | n-iCe | yeah because the installation was ok judgen |
| 23:52.35 | judgen | dyingloop: are you certain that you have the correct firmware installed? |
| 23:53.30 | judgen | n-iCe: to narrow your search on google try looking for xkbd with your search =D |
| 23:53.34 | dyingloop | shit |
| 23:53.47 | dyingloop | did i download my LAN controller? |
| 23:53.48 | dyingloop | ffs |
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| 23:54.08 | dyingloop | no wait |
| 23:54.13 | dyingloop | wireless LAN controller |
| 23:54.14 | dyingloop | yes |
| 23:54.16 | judgen | dyingloop: the installer works with the firmwares, but after that you have to install it... atleast that is how it works for me. |
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| 23:54.19 | n-iCe | damn I cannot even copy and paste a text from the browser to uxterm!! |
| 23:54.47 | judgen | n-iCe: mark text with your cursor and use middle click |
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| 23:55.05 | n-iCe | but it does not export the paste i did in the broswer just between terminals |
| 23:55.08 | judgen | or if you do not have a 3d button, use left and right mouse button simoultaniously |
| 23:55.13 | divbell | shift-insert? |
| 23:55.16 | amphorion | judgen: have you tried a newer kernel... from experimental?? the radeon driver should work with your card |
| 23:55.35 | n-iCe | divbell: thanks, did it |
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| 23:55.50 | judgen | amphorion: i would prefer not to dabble with SID again.. it breaks faar to often. |
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| 23:56.25 | judgen | amphorion: and i thought wheezy got all new kernels through backports |
| 23:56.40 | judgen | that is what is aws told atleast |
| 23:57.37 | judgen | but i will try it |
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| 23:58.09 | abrotman | wheezy does not use backports |
| 23:58.27 | n-iCe | can.t find how to fix my kerboard keys |
| 23:58.34 | dvs | judgen: wheezy uses sid to get new stuff |
| 23:58.51 | amphorion | judgen: not sid.... experimental... in sid is linux 3.2.. in experimental is linux 3.3 |
| 23:59.24 | judgen | whoo? what codename is experimental? |
| 23:59.36 | amphorion | experimental ist experimental |
| 23:59.54 | judgen | das ist goodt |