| 00:00.05 | cardamon | How do I address something segfaulting with no additional information? |
| 00:00.08 | craigevil | Installed: 3.3.4-1~experimental.1 |
| 00:00.38 | judgen | cardamon: You have probably either installed it inproperly or used a file not suited for your architecture. |
| 00:00.56 | cardamon | Wasn't, me, was aptitude. |
| 00:01.16 | judgen | i am off for a reboot |
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| 00:01.26 | craigevil | cardamon, install gdb and try to run a backtrace, no other messages when ran from a terminal? |
| 00:01.36 | cardamon | none at all. |
| 00:02.50 | dyingloop | what would be the command to turn wireless on or off? |
| 00:03.07 | abrotman | you can load/unload the driver |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | most laptops have a switch though |
| 00:03.24 | dyingloop | the top panel isn't working |
| 00:03.30 | cardamon | Or shutdown the interface. |
| 00:03.40 | cardamon | ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 00:03.40 | amphorion | dyingloop: rfkill will help |
| 00:05.30 | amphorion | rfkill block 0 and rfkill unblock 0 |
| 00:05.36 | abrotman | top panel ? |
| 00:07.26 | dyingloop | the laptop has a panel |
| 00:07.34 | dyingloop | to turn it on and off physically |
| 00:07.42 | dyingloop | which doesn't seem to be working |
| 00:07.52 | dyingloop | it also has voice controls |
| 00:07.57 | dyingloop | which again don't seem to be working |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | oh ... an HP |
| 00:08.01 | dyingloop | volume* |
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| 00:08.08 | dyingloop | toshiba |
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| 00:10.08 | dyingloop | rfkill command didn't work |
| 00:10.38 | dyingloop | but the drivers aren't working either |
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| 00:14.34 | dyingloop | meh i give up |
| 00:14.46 | dezent | trying to build a package from testing on squeeze, get this error where file is missing, but file is actually in another dir.. can i fix this? http://52f8ec947c85ca25.paste.se/ |
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| 00:16.22 | amphorion | dezent: try to put the needed files to /usr/local/lib/ |
| 00:16.40 | dezent | amphorion: thanks, will try |
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| 00:18.35 | dezent | amphorion: nope, still missing the file |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | dezent: what method are you using to try yto build that ? |
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| 00:20.14 | dezent | abrotman: apt-get -b source libdhash-dev |
| 00:20.23 | dezent | abrotman: have build deps |
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| 00:22.35 | abrotman | dezent: what if you place those files in /usr/lib/ instead of /usr/local/ ? |
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| 00:23.53 | dezent | abrotman: but the files are in the package, |
| 00:25.28 | pasky | nice, first time wheezy broke down really badly for me throughout the testing cycle... |
| 00:25.37 | dezent | abrotman: it says "usr/lib/*/libpath_utils.so" is missing, not "/usr/lib/*/libpath_utils.so" |
| 00:26.00 | dezent | pasky: libldap is b0rken for month |
| 00:26.56 | pasky | i don't use ldap but i do tend to use apt ;-) |
| 00:28.01 | pasky | it seems that i'll have to remove my whole multiarch setup in order to get to usable state again |
| 00:30.38 | dezent | what is multiarch? |
| 00:30.51 | pasky | wow, i've never seen this before - E: Internal Error, No file name for zlib1g |
| 00:31.14 | pasky | dezent: zlib1g:i386 vs. zlib1g:amd64 |
| 00:31.30 | dezent | pasky: ah |
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| 00:35.52 | pasky | mkay, if anyone hits http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670607 - if your upgrade brought along apt-0.9.3, it's enough to manually dpkg -i apt and relevant packages and manually dpkg --configure --force-depends them |
| 00:36.24 | streuner_ | !dbugs 670607 |
| 00:36.27 | dpkg | DONE:#670607:I[apt] dpkg --configure fails with multiarch, interpreting those as ambiguous package names (); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:09:01 UTC [665727 667753 667843 667897 671709 671929] |
| 00:36.28 | abrotman | dezent: ah missed that |
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| 00:36.43 | abrotman | dezent: but the path is still wrong ? |
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| 00:37.06 | dezent | abrotman: yes, reading about how to fix it |
| 00:37.22 | dezent | abrotman: cant really find what i am looking for |
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| 00:37.44 | dezent | ive been using debian stable since 1999, never had a problem like this |
| 00:38.07 | dezent | but now i really need a new version of sssd, and i have to compile everything on my own |
| 00:38.29 | dezent | the one in squeeze is way to old |
| 00:39.01 | dezent | debian stable make you lazy.. |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | i wonder what PWD is when it throws tha terror |
| 00:39.45 | dezent | yeah |
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| 00:40.07 | dezent | * ? |
| 00:40.15 | dezent | very strange |
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| 00:57.39 | cardamon | Do traceback's happend on their own, or do I need a particular package for them? |
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| 01:54.53 | indicator | Hello |
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| 01:55.31 | indicator | I was here a few days ago reporting that something was wrong with gnome. Is there a way I can just entirely reinstall it? |
| 01:55.59 | dvs | indicator: What was wrong with Gnome? |
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| 01:57.18 | indicator | dvs, I'd love to tell you but I don't know. the main issue I am having is that if I open a window A, and open another window B, C, or D, I cannot input by keyboard on any window except for the window that was immediately opened. |
| 01:57.35 | indicator | This include password dialogues (via xscreensaver) |
| 01:57.37 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | start with which vresion of gnome ? |
| 01:58.25 | indicator | abrotman, 3.4 I believe |
| 01:59.08 | indicator | 3.4.1 |
| 02:00.28 | amphorion | mhhh... are u shure it's a gnome issue ??? |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | indicator: wheezy? sid? |
| 02:00.35 | abrotman | !tell amphorion about u |
| 02:01.16 | indicator | amphorion, yes. |
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| 02:01.33 | indicator | abrotman, wheezy? sid? |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | ugh |
| 02:02.13 | indicator | yes |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | that doesn't answer the question |
| 02:02.36 | indicator | have no idea what you're asking. |
| 02:02.50 | indicator | debian_version says wheezy/sid |
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| 02:03.42 | grimeton | hi |
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| 02:03.46 | grimeton | someone running sid on arm? |
| 02:04.07 | amphorion | amd64 and i386 on my machines... gnome3 no such problems.... |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | grimeton: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:04.50 | grimeton | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:05.07 | indicator | amphorion, good for you.. However, I'm having such issues. |
| 02:05.39 | amphorion | so i think it's not a gnome issue |
| 02:05.54 | indicator | amphorion, that's very poor reasoning |
| 02:06.27 | indicator | amphorion, I suspect it's gnome (or something within) specifically because it happens only with gnome/gtk applications |
| 02:06.36 | abrotman | *facepalm* |
| 02:06.37 | indicator | within gnome that is |
| 02:06.54 | indicator | outside of gnome, none of those issues come up at all |
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| 02:08.32 | freebird | you guys, I'm using debian with xfce4 and the bottom bar vanished, since my last restart, for no reason, how do I get it back ? please |
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| 02:11.04 | Pnoexz | hey, how do i clean the kernel log? due to a bug it went from a few lines to 6.6GB in a day |
| 02:11.22 | freebird | running xfce4-panel, it appeared again, weird |
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| 02:15.06 | iluminator101 | whats the best tablet out there to use as a journal? |
| 02:15.43 | grimeton | ipad |
| 02:15.58 | Pnoexz | <facepalm> |
| 02:16.01 | peterrooney | Pnoexz: if you really don't want to share any of that information ever again, cat /dev/null > /var/log/kern.log and don't say you weren't warned. |
| 02:16.54 | Pnoexz | peterrooney: i have found several bug reports about the same issue 2 years ago, the problem seems to be the same. Thanks for the answer |
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| 02:19.17 | Pnoexz | "last message repeated 90869656 times" |
| 02:19.26 | SomeoneWeird | lollllll |
| 02:19.51 | Pnoexz | yup |
| 02:20.07 | Pnoexz | all hail intel |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | Pnoexz: it will rotate tonight |
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| 02:20.47 | Pnoexz | abrotman: what do you mean? |
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| 02:21.18 | amphorion | logrotate... |
| 02:22.13 | Pnoexz | !logrotate |
| 02:22.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, logrotate is a log rotation program that sings |
| 02:22.24 | Pnoexz | lol |
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| 02:22.56 | Pnoexz | problem is that i dont have /var on its own partition, so its killing my / |
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| 02:23.44 | abrotman | Pnoexz: so run the cron.daily script now |
| 02:24.07 | Pnoexz | root@ubuntu:/home/n# wc -l /var/log/kern.log |
| 02:24.07 | Pnoexz | 27378 /var/log/kern.log |
| 02:24.16 | Pnoexz | and i ran a game 10 seconds |
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| 02:25.04 | abrotman | great game |
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| 02:25.45 | SomeoneWeird | lol |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | aren't you funny |
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| 02:26.32 | SomeoneWeird | kk |
| 02:26.36 | Sovereign | will someone tell me why are these the only choices offered by my video card http://paste.debian.net/169191/ |
| 02:27.16 | abrotman | Sovereign: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 02:27.33 | indicator | So I know for sure that there's something wrong with gnome |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | did you try as a new user? |
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| 02:28.44 | indicator | trying to log into Gnome (have previously been using gnome-fallback), it tells me something has gone wrong with gnome and it couldn't recover from the error (conveniently NOT telling me anything useful), and the only option available was to log out... |
| 02:29.01 | indicator | Logging in as a different user did the same exact this |
| 02:29.03 | abrotman | you have an error file in $HOME |
| 02:29.04 | indicator | thing * |
| 02:29.11 | indicator | oh, sec |
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| 02:29.29 | indicator | where in $HOME? |
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| 02:30.00 | abrotman | ls -a | grep error ? |
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| 02:30.01 | karlpinc | indicator: If nothing else, "ls -lt" will help. |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | you can try looking yourself .. it's not hard |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | this is part of running testing/unstable .. you should know how to do basic troubleshooting |
| 02:30.44 | indicator | karlpinc, lol, funny, that's what I did well, ls -atr but nothing important it seems |
| 02:31.25 | Pnoexz | indicator: tried to log in from a tty? |
| 02:31.36 | indicator | Nope, only gdm |
| 02:31.38 | amphorion | .xsessionerror ?? or something |
| 02:31.50 | Sovereign | abortman command not found |
| 02:32.00 | abrotman | Sovereign: install pciutils |
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| 02:32.41 | Sovereign | apt-get install pciutils |
| 02:32.52 | amphorion | yes |
| 02:33.06 | Sovereign | sorry wrong keyboart |
| 02:33.11 | Sovereign | d |
| 02:34.08 | dalias | is there any way to use connman with debian yet (with packages) ? |
| 02:34.17 | dalias | it looks like indicator-network is not packaged.... |
| 02:36.27 | confusid | I asked in nagios but no responce. Where can I find information on configuring the default host map in nagios3? |
| 02:38.19 | Sovereign | lspic -nn | grep VGA command not found |
| 02:38.39 | Pnoexz | Sovereign: lspci |
| 02:38.44 | Pnoexz | not lspic |
| 02:39.11 | indicator | I found several lines of this "(gnome-panel:16318): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | indicator: is your system fully up to date? |
| 02:39.36 | indicator | abrotman, yes. |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | 100% sure? |
| 02:39.44 | indicator | Yes. |
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| 02:43.35 | Pnoexz | did the install actually work? |
| 02:44.57 | Pnoexz | you can consider that a wrong window |
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| 02:47.15 | iluminator101 | how do install minix filesystem utils in debian |
| 02:47.47 | Diopter | iluminator101: Looks like the util-linux package. |
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| 02:48.13 | Sovereign | abortman http://paste.debian.net/169194/ |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | Sovereign: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 02:49.42 | Sovereign | not sure how to do that |
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| 03:05.56 | dvs | !next |
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| 03:06.45 | toastman1 | could someone help me troubleshoot a problem I've been happen with my laptop mysteriously shutting down for no apparent reason? I always have it plugged in to power. |
| 03:07.32 | dvs | toastman1: I'd install the sensors package and see if it's temperature related. |
| 03:08.11 | toastman1 | dvs: I'll do that, thanks |
| 03:08.23 | dvs | np |
| 03:08.53 | toastman1 | dvs: I guess you mean the sensord package? |
| 03:09.41 | dvs | toastman1: lm-sensors |
| 03:10.45 | Sovereign | Pnoexz, http://paste.debian.net/169197/ |
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| 03:15.17 | Sovereign | I have an entry in synaptic called nvidia-settings. Is that the same as the entry under System Administration Nvidia X Server Settings |
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| 03:18.41 | rubberneck | I have linux-source-2.6.32 installed..... |
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| 03:30.16 | confusid | http://pastebin.com/kQuGTG2r |
| 03:30.34 | confusid | In nagios3 it gives me an error when trying to set the host map |
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| 04:11.18 | riex | Hello, I got a little problem. How do i add a new MAC-address in linux? because i have just changed netcard in my server. I hope someone can help me.. |
| 04:12.55 | npx | ifconfig eth0 hw 00:40:D0:0B:27:18 iirc |
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| 04:30.15 | cardamon | Does anyone else have a problem with multiple screen displays and some fullscreen flash? |
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| 04:30.30 | cardamon | Or rather, have a solution? |
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| 04:31.38 | irule | hi, I just installed 6.0.5, connected to the internet and wget cant get files from the internet, it just times out, how may I fix it? thanks |
| 04:32.13 | cardamon | irule: No, you're just connected to an access point it sounds like. |
| 04:32.33 | craigevil | lcc, build the package the proper way rather than using checkinstall, problem solved |
| 04:32.42 | cardamon | Which would put the problem on the other side of that connection, like your modem. |
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| 05:19.48 | od-- | anyone have any clue why a framebuffer based xorg would display blank/black while running and only show the desktop on the screen after X has been killed? |
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| 05:35.48 | KOJIbKA | hi all! |
| 05:39.16 | KOJIbKA | Upon updatin Squeeze 6.0.3 up to 6.0.4 and solving recent linux-image upgrade I had machine down. I'm able to start it as root at 'rescue' mode both i686 and i486 but no X System for me, though initial boot process is going well and NVidia logo is seen for couple seconds. How to boot X correctly? |
| 05:41.29 | KeatonT | How do you actually go about checking with version your running. |
| 05:41.30 | scientes | KOJIbKA, that sounds like a nvidia problem, not a debian problem |
| 05:41.46 | scientes | K00ky, you should try installing the 3.2 kernel from squeeze backports and using nouveau |
| 05:41.56 | scientes | KeatonT, uname -rm gives you the kernel |
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| 05:42.23 | scientes | and the future standard *might* (debian still doesn't even have this) be /etc/os-release |
| 05:42.30 | KOJIbKA | scientes:well it's not the first time happened. and crowd was able to solve it. seems like dependencies problem actually |
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| 05:42.46 | scientes | KeatonT, otherwise /etc/debian_version |
| 05:43.16 | KeatonT | cool thanks |
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| 05:43.40 | scientes | KOJIbKA, if you are seeing the nvidia logo that means you didn't use the debian way of installing the non-free (and not in debian) nvidia driver |
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| 05:44.13 | KOJIbKA | i just forgot how to force for right debian way to load video |
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| 05:44.44 | KeatonT | anyone know of a quick and simple way to get a python script running at startup |
| 05:44.50 | KOJIbKA | that was once done. but can't remember how |
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| 05:46.20 | KOJIbKA | xorg.conf? |
| 05:46.39 | proteus4 | anybody know who i gotta blow to get a proxim 8494 usb wireless card to work in debian? |
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| 05:52.48 | craigevil | !proxim |
| 05:52.50 | dpkg | Proxim Wireless Corporation is a builder of broadband wireless networking systems. For support of Proxim-branded wireless LAN devices, ask me about <what's my wireless> to determine the chipset, then ask me about <hermes>, <prism> or <atheros>. |
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| 05:56.37 | KOJIbKA | OK, found on Google - http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Check_that_it_worked |
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| 06:04.16 | Techie | do i need to download all 8 DVD's in order to install a typical debian system? |
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| 06:04.46 | xwalk | Techie: Just download the first DVD and install any other needed software from the repos. |
| 06:05.06 | Techie | xwalk, thanks for the snappy response |
| 06:05.39 | craigevil | !netinstall |
| 06:05.39 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 06:05.55 | xwalk | That also works. |
| 06:06.16 | Techie | craigevil, a netinst would be nicer if i wasnt on ADSL2+ with a horrible modem |
| 06:06.48 | craigevil | it would be less bandwidth than a dvd |
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| 06:07.57 | Techie | also, is the default install of gnome on debian what would have been considered the normal a few years ago, (one or maybe 2 bars, and none of this touch screen designed interface)? |
| 06:08.26 | xwalk | It's GNOME 2.x.x., the one everyone fondly remembers and loves. |
| 06:08.31 | Techie | yaaay |
| 06:09.05 | craigevil | at least until wheezy is released next yr |
| 06:09.06 | Techie | i used to use ubuntu, but tossed them aside because of their decision on the graphical interface |
| 06:09.27 | Techie | i even considered fedora, but they seem to have gone the same way aswell |
| 06:09.42 | Techie | so it looks like debian is my new home |
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| 06:10.12 | xwalk | Techie: Not to go on a distro tangent here, but both of those do have alternative environments. XFCE has always been a favorite of mine. Debian has an installation for it. |
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| 06:10.48 | Techie | ive never really liked xfce, i used to use it on my powerpc mac, but that was more because it was the only thing that would work at a decent speed |
| 06:10.53 | KOJIbKA | OK, now new challenge. I'm able to run Squeeze in |
| 06:10.58 | KOJIbKA | rescue mode |
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| 06:11.17 | KOJIbKA | How to connect network interface? |
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| 06:11.58 | KOJIbKA | network cable is in, but debian has got no clue about it |
| 06:13.02 | scientes | KOJIbKA, dhclient eth0 |
| 06:13.16 | T-Guy | how to know what version of Debian I'm using now? (I think it was written in a file in /etc/ ?!) |
| 06:13.27 | scientes | T-Guy, /etc/debian_version |
| 06:13.38 | scientes | T-Guy, in the future hopefully /etc/os-version |
| 06:14.06 | KOJIbKA | scientes:thanks |
| 06:14.08 | T-Guy | what you mean future?! Wheezy you mean?! |
| 06:14.10 | scientes | T-Guy, also /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:14.24 | scientes | T-Guy, nah, prob post-wheezy, its a systemd thing |
| 06:14.42 | xwalk | I think the main thing Wheezy is bringing is Gnome Shell. |
| 06:15.01 | xwalk | The most noticeable feature anyhow. |
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| 06:15.03 | scientes | xwalk, i'd like to see systemd by deulfar,but that is unlikely |
| 06:15.07 | craigevil | and hopefully kde 4.8.4 |
| 06:15.26 | scientes | T-Guy, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/os-release.html |
| 06:15.53 | Techie | T-Guy, try uname -v |
| 06:15.53 | craigevil | lsb_release -a |
| 06:16.25 | scientes | uname -rm |
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| 06:17.04 | xwalk | scientes: Have you tried it at all in testing? |
| 06:17.20 | scientes | xwalk, yeah im using systemd right now |
| 06:17.46 | xwalk | scientes: Is there any noticeable difference in the overhead that I'm reading so much about? |
| 06:17.55 | peterrooney | Techie: i found e16 worked decently on old powermacs |
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| 06:18.27 | T-Guy | Techie, it's all about kernel version |
| 06:18.35 | scientes | xwalk, IMHO systemd is just init done right, the performance is secondary (but also there, even though it really havn't been the focus) |
| 06:18.47 | scientes | however, we need to have something like it for freebsd |
| 06:19.07 | valdyn | debian is not ready for systemd anyway, or so it seems |
| 06:19.12 | peterrooney | fears changing to e17 |
| 06:19.46 | scientes | valdyn, if not now, when? |
| 06:20.05 | valdyn | scientes: when they fix it |
| 06:20.22 | scientes | valdyn, what problems have you had? |
| 06:20.38 | valdyn | scientes: it cant shut down |
| 06:20.51 | scientes | yes it can |
| 06:21.00 | valdyn | scientes: *my* system cant |
| 06:21.05 | valdyn | scientes: im sure it works for some people |
| 06:21.11 | scientes | well try -ff |
| 06:21.21 | valdyn | scientes: force ? |
| 06:21.27 | scientes | (double force) |
| 06:21.28 | valdyn | scientes: ill try |
| 06:21.31 | valdyn | scientes: I see |
| 06:21.49 | scientes | single force means: do a sync and remount ro, double force means DOIT FAGGOT |
| 06:22.30 | NishaKitty | hey peeps which do you think would be more correct to use (in apt.conf) APT::Default-Release "wheezy"; or APT::Default-Release "testing";? |
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| 06:23.22 | valdyn | scientes: almost like my sysrq workaround |
| 06:23.49 | Gunman1982 | Hi there, I have a problem with a 32bit lib under amd64 SID, want to compile wine, which works with the ia32lib-dev files but when I replace /usr/lib32/libXi.so.6.1.0 with an up to date one from the i386 SID package configure just tells me no libXi is found, any suggestions? |
| 06:24.25 | scientes | valdyn, however BOTH of those require dbus, to do it without dbus, see man systemd (kill -SIGTMIN+4 1, etc) |
| 06:24.33 | valdyn | scientes: i have dbus |
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| 06:25.14 | scientes | valdyn, I think desktop linux should adopt binder |
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| 06:25.30 | scientes | quadruapal copy--> single copy |
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| 06:26.33 | scientes | valdyn, oh wait, did you install systemd-sysv? |
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| 06:26.50 | scientes | you need that for the systemd shutdown and friends |
| 06:27.02 | scientes | its just a seperate package cause it conflicts with sysvinit |
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| 06:27.12 | valdyn | scientes: that changes nothing on this system |
| 06:27.21 | valdyn | scientes: ive done with an without |
| 06:27.28 | valdyn | *and* |
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| 06:28.07 | r0bert | hey guys |
| 06:28.13 | r0bert | got a "problem" here |
| 06:28.25 | r0bert | (yay) |
| 06:28.36 | scientes | valdyn, yeah systemctl is there either way |
| 06:28.58 | r0bert | apt is - when doing apt-get update - downloading a huge amount of .pdiff files |
| 06:29.06 | r0bert | and it's fucking slow |
| 06:29.07 | valdyn | scientes: i havent really tried to debug it |
| 06:29.14 | r0bert | can i clear some kind of cache there? |
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| 06:29.25 | r0bert | Hole:159 http://cdn.debian.net sid/main 2012-05-17-0213.10.pdiff [1.198 B] |
| 06:29.25 | r0bert | Es wurden 6.938 kB in 7 min 39 s geholt (15,1 kB/s) |
| 06:29.47 | valdyn | r0bert: whats the point? |
| 06:30.17 | r0bert | is there a way to circumvent fetching 150 painfully slow downloading files |
| 06:30.23 | T-Guy | r0bert, watch your language! You dirty motherfuckin' hell of a faggot! |
| 06:30.27 | craigevil | Gunman1982, either use the packages or the sources from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 06:30.38 | scientes | r0bert, you can remove the cache, and it will install the full ones instead |
| 06:30.41 | Gunman1982 | r0bert are you using bittorrent or something that opens a ton of connections or uses a lot of upload bandwidth? could slow down your download of the pdiff files |
| 06:30.48 | scientes | r0bert, its not the files that are slow its the rred program, which eats CU |
| 06:30.54 | scientes | *CPU |
| 06:30.55 | r0bert | Gunman1982: not at the moment |
| 06:30.55 | engla | r0bert: choose a better mirror? |
| 06:31.11 | craigevil | you can disable pdiffs |
| 06:31.11 | T-Guy | engla: Debian mirrors suck |
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| 06:31.17 | valdyn | download diffs *can* be slow when you have a high latency link |
| 06:31.20 | scientes | T-Guy, its not the mirrors |
| 06:31.20 | r0bert | scientes: which cache? apt-get clean is only about packages |
| 06:31.28 | davidjmcq | can anyone tell me how to revert to a repository package after i've (inappropriately) installed a non-repository version which breaks everything..... (bad me) |
| 06:31.31 | T-Guy | scientes, so Debian, itself sucks :D |
| 06:31.45 | craigevil | !ops T-Guy troll |
| 06:31.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: craigevil complains about: T-Guy troll |
| 06:31.48 | Gunman1982 | craigevil, I have my reasons for compiling wine, that's not the issue, the issue is why does the configure script accept the old so file but not the new from the i386.deb |
| 06:31.49 | valdyn | T-Guy: stop trolling |
| 06:31.56 | engla | davidjmcq: use aptitude install package=version |
| 06:32.05 | T-Guy | ok :( |
| 06:32.07 | scientes | r0bert, /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 06:32.55 | r0bert | thx |
| 06:32.58 | r0bert | any link? |
| 06:33.03 | scientes | Gunman1982, could be multiarch |
| 06:33.13 | r0bert | i'd rather not mess with files/directories whose purpose is unclear to me <: |
| 06:33.19 | scientes | r0bert, thats where they are, you can delete the files in that directory |
| 06:33.20 | davidjmcq | engla: what part of the version number?.... like libpoppler13= ? |
| 06:33.37 | scientes | r0bert, and then run apt-get update to get the new ones fresh |
| 06:33.58 | engla | davidjmcq: the exact package version |
| 06:34.03 | scientes | i use to have that directory on tmpfs |
| 06:34.15 | davidjmcq | engla: thanks.. i'll give that a go |
| 06:34.16 | r0bert | well |
| 06:34.24 | craigevil | r0bert, apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs=false |
| 06:34.28 | r0bert | the problem isnt exacttly that the files are there |
| 06:34.28 | Gunman1982 | scients, mh so the so's only work under /usr/lib/i386? |
| 06:34.33 | Gunman1982 | *they |
| 06:34.39 | scientes | ^^^much better solution |
| 06:34.41 | r0bert | the problem is, that apt dls several versions |
| 06:34.48 | r0bert | each for every day... |
| 06:34.54 | scientes | r0bert, i also use apt-cache-ng |
| 06:34.57 | r0bert | (maybe it's a specific aptosid-problem) |
| 06:35.04 | scientes | but yeah you are complaining about pdiff, those are small files |
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| 06:35.09 | scientes | to avoid downloading the whole thing |
| 06:35.21 | scientes | its not really the downloading, its the cpu load of the rred program compiling the diffs |
| 06:35.22 | craigevil | r0bert, nope pdiffs suck |
| 06:35.51 | r0bert | hmhm |
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| 06:36.47 | Gunman1982 | scientes, if multiarch is at fault I could remove them from lib32 and just install it as a multiarch paket with apt-get <packet>:i386 right? |
| 06:37.17 | scientes | Gunman1982, multiarch in theory, and multiarch being the problem are two differn't things |
| 06:37.42 | scientes | i'm just saying that a possible explination of problems with 32-bit pcakages is changes with multiarch |
| 06:38.43 | Gunman1982 | hm ok thx for the thought I will try and find some more information ... or build those suckers myself -.- rebuilding ia32libs wheeee -.- |
| 06:41.31 | KOJIbKA | how to list running servers from command line? |
| 06:42.05 | KOJIbKA | and how to stop/terminate some of them? |
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| 06:57.22 | davidjmcq | engla: thanks again.. that worked perfectly |
| 06:59.46 | scientes | T-Guy...ahh hes gone |
| 06:59.58 | scientes | well anyways /etc/os-release wheezy, here we come ! http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_6.8/changelog |
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| 07:15.49 | rkeene | What package replaced unfs3 (Userspace NFS Daemon) ? I can't seem to find one. |
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| 07:16.43 | jelly-home | rkeene: nfs-kernel-server seems to be the only one left |
| 07:17.03 | rkeene | What about in cases where the kernel NFS doesn't work ? |
| 07:17.15 | rkeene | (i.e., in an LXC container) |
| 07:17.18 | jelly-home | you're SOL |
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| 07:17.28 | rkeene | Fail. |
| 07:17.49 | phix | rkeene: nfs doesnt work in lxc? really? |
| 07:18.03 | rkeene | phix, The kernel NFS server apparently does not. |
| 07:18.42 | phix | did not know that, then again i dont use nfs, mainly cifs these days :( |
| 07:18.49 | od-- | well i figured out why xorg-fbdev wasnt working right with android |
| 07:18.50 | rkeene | I've loaded the modules in the host, and it's able to talk to it via NETLINK but when it tries to register it with the RPC it connects to localhost |
| 07:19.03 | rkeene | (it being the parent, connecting to its localhost which is not meaningful) |
| 07:19.09 | od-- | the android framebuffer device needs to be manually notified of screen updates |
| 07:19.17 | od-- | with FB_ACTIVATE_VBL |
| 07:19.29 | KOJIbKA | Now I try to bring back 'nouveau' driver. but constantly shell keeps responding this way http://paste.debian.net/169210 how to restore video driver back to 'nouveau' or 'xorg'? |
| 07:19.30 | phix | od--: interesting |
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| 07:20.18 | KOJIbKA | seems like extra service is preventing to run normal |
| 07:20.56 | KOJIbKA | as well as apt repositories is broken |
| 07:20.56 | od-- | wonder what the best way to have it detect screen updates is |
| 07:21.25 | jelly-home | rkeene: openvz docs, however, state it works there so perhaps you've chosen a less mature solution |
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| 07:22.12 | od-- | does xorg provide render event callbacks? |
| 07:22.48 | intore | hi, i have a debian server and ubuntu clients. The debian server has been installed in textual mode and the users on the clients have their home directories on the server. After login on the clients using gdm appears the error "could not update iceauthority file". What must be installed on the server? |
| 07:23.50 | rkeene | jelly-home, Debian doesn't come with OpenVZ. Debian does come with LXC. |
| 07:24.14 | rkeene | jelly-home, Perhaps Debian has chosen a less mature solution. |
| 07:24.20 | hell_razer | i have problems fith phpmyadmin from debian repo, /phpmyadmin/setup doesnt works, because debian have spiciefic /etc/phpmyadmin/congig.inc.php |
| 07:25.14 | ompaul | ,version vzctl |
| 07:25.15 | judd | Package: vzctl on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.22-14; squeeze: 3.0.24-12; sid: 3.0.30.2-1; wheezy: 3.0.30.2-1 |
| 07:25.37 | ompaul | rkeene: ^^ you might like to look at that |
| 07:25.54 | rkeene | ompaul, And Debian includes the kernel modules required for the userspace tools "vzctl" to talk to ? |
| 07:26.13 | rkeene | (since vzctl is useless without the rest of OpenVZ) |
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| 07:26.33 | jelly-home | ,versions linux-image-2.6-openvz |
| 07:26.33 | ompaul | rkeene: have you looked? libvert and libvert0 are present |
| 07:26.34 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6-openvz' was found in i386. |
| 07:26.51 | jelly-home | ,versions linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 |
| 07:26.53 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29 |
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| 07:27.28 | rkeene | ompaul, libvert ? Do you mean "libvirt" ? Another userspace tool ? |
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| 07:28.24 | jelly-home | rkeene: which debian release are you using? |
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| 07:29.09 | rkeene | jelly-home, Probably unstable |
| 07:29.17 | jelly-home | probably? |
| 07:29.36 | jelly-home | rkeene: lsb_release -sc |
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| 07:31.28 | rkeene | Installing that (lsb-release) will apparently install a ton of packages, including python. |
| 07:31.36 | rkeene | Let's go with "sid" |
| 07:31.50 | jelly-home | rkeene: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, then |
| 07:33.10 | rkeene | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian sid main |
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| 07:33.19 | jelly-home | the whole of it, rkeene |
| 07:33.32 | rkeene | It has 1 line |
| 07:33.33 | rkeene | That's it |
| 07:33.47 | jelly-home | rkeene: is that the host or the vps? |
| 07:33.57 | rkeene | The guest |
| 07:34.13 | jelly-home | oh, I thought you were running Debian on the host |
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| 07:34.59 | jelly-home | rkeene: do you have control of the host at all? |
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| 07:37.59 | rkeene | Yes, but it's running other containers that I don't want to interfere with. I'm compiling unfs3 now. |
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| 07:41.30 | jelly-home | rkeene: you can probably get the package source from lenny or snapshot.debian.org and package it locally |
| 07:42.05 | hell_razer | i can not configure /phpmyadmin/setup/, its can not see config.inc.php, because debian uses /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php - how to fix it |
| 07:43.06 | blackshirt | hell_razer : are you install it manually ( i mean from sources )?? |
| 07:43.20 | hell_razer | blackshirt: now from debian repo |
| 07:43.30 | hell_razer | blackshirt: *no |
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| 07:44.43 | blackshirt | hell_razer: commonly, dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin should help you |
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| 07:45.39 | hell_razer | blackshirt: php myadmin works, i dont hot to show default phpmyadmin /setup wheris config.inc.php |
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| 07:49.42 | blackshirt | hell_razer: maybe you can look at setup file, where config refers to |
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| 08:05.29 | intore | hi, i have a debian server and ubuntu clients. The debian server has been installed in textual mode and the users on the clients have their home directories on the server. After login on the clients using gdm appears the error "could not update iceauthority file". What must be installed on the server? |
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| 08:07.20 | ompaul | intore: at a guess your usernames uid/gid stuff is confused |
| 08:07.38 | ompaul | intore: also make sure the right user owns the home directories |
| 08:08.09 | ompaul | intore: and the file can be updated by the right user |
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| 08:11.39 | blackshirt | intore: it was part of gnome centrics.. i think.. |
| 08:11.53 | intore | ompaul, here i am |
| 08:12.05 | blackshirt | intore: is ltsp client ? |
| 08:12.12 | ompaul | intore: I've given you a few things to explore |
| 08:12.25 | intore | blackshirt, no, ubuntu |
| 08:13.00 | intore | ompaul, yes, thanks. |
| 08:13.19 | blackshirt | intore: i mean, was that client using ldap or similar authentication from the server ? |
| 08:13.39 | intore | ompaul, i think i've to check the permission on the homes on the server |
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| 08:14.00 | intore | blackshirt, yes, it use ldap |
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| 08:15.21 | blackshirt | intore: may be client home directory on server has changed his ownership |
| 08:16.10 | intore | blackshirt, ex: home directory of user "leonidas" on the server: drwx------ 2 leonidas Domain Users 0 2012-05-16 18:29 leonidas |
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| 08:16.46 | intore | blackshirt, on the server i didn't install xorg neither gnome. |
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| 08:17.30 | blackshirt | intore, look at .ICEauthority files on client home directory, is it has correct permission and ownership ? |
| 08:17.46 | phix | intore: hmmm could be a permission issue or your uid/gid's are not the same on the server and the client |
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| 08:18.28 | phix | intore: You should look at the actual uid number not the name of the user ;) |
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| 08:23.40 | intore | ompaul, blackshirt, phix, these are the permissions on .ICEauthority file. stefano is a local user on the client. -rw------- 1 stefano stefano 22922 2012-05-17 08:38 .ICEauthority |
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| 08:29.30 | boycottFB | hi |
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| 08:30.03 | blackshirt | hi |
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| 08:31.50 | boycottFB | is there a change (+/-) on thermal/power_usage on laptop if i go from squeeze to wheezy ? does it change something, in regard of these aspects? (i use gnome on squeeze and gnome_classic on wheezy) |
| 08:32.30 | boycottFB | i also use powertop |
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| 08:34.11 | dizzylizzy | wow i'm really enjoying reading the mailing lists |
| 08:34.14 | dizzylizzy | claws mail is awesome!! |
| 08:34.22 | dizzylizzy | I should do this more often |
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| 08:46.39 | ompaul | intore: what is the permission on the home directory of stefano |
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| 08:48.41 | intore | drwxr-xr-x 36 stefano stefano 4096 2012-05-17 08:38 stefano |
| 08:49.06 | ompaul | intore: and that's on the server? |
| 08:49.14 | ompaul | intore: both of those are on the server? |
| 08:49.38 | ompaul | intore: pastebin the output of mount into http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:49.47 | intore | ompaul, no, stefano is on the client |
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| 08:51.05 | intore | ompaul, mount? what do you mean? fstab? mtab? |
| 08:51.34 | ompaul | intore: mount the command |
| 08:52.18 | ompaul | intore: ok, think about this for a minute, the place you need to write is on the server if that is where the home directory is |
| 08:52.40 | ompaul | intore: we need to establish that the disk as mounted is writable |
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| 08:56.09 | intore | ompaul, ok. on the server debian (with samba and ldap) there is a partition with all the user's home directory. The partition is /users and every home is /users/username. using pam_mount, after login on client, it mount /users/username on the client on /home/username |
| 08:57.41 | ompaul | intore: pastebin the output on both boxes to this mount |
| 08:57.50 | ompaul | intore: that's all I want right now |
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| 08:59.33 | ompaul | intore: type >>>> mount <<<< in a terminal and pastebin it |
| 08:59.55 | intore | ompaul, OK |
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| 09:03.41 | intore | ompaul, http://pastebin.com/CvrPE7Zh |
| 09:04.39 | ompaul | intore: funny I suggested paste.debian.net cos there are times when pastebin.com puts in captchas |
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| 09:04.48 | ompaul | any how lets have a look |
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| 09:05.58 | intore | ompaul, i told me pastebin. do you prefer paste debian? |
| 09:06.10 | ompaul | intore: so you did not use nfs |
| 09:06.39 | intore | ompaul, no, samba |
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| 09:06.52 | ompaul | intore: well I have no idea how that would work for unix users |
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| 09:12.56 | ompaul | intore: samba is an old ibm protocol that is used for windows, you need to get your nfs working |
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| 09:29.00 | karlpinc | ompaul: You were right. It ends in tears. |
| 09:30.27 | ompaul | karlpinc: well I'm old, twisted, and bitter like a lemon! ;-) |
| 09:30.43 | ompaul | ignore me at your perl |
| 09:30.50 | ompaul | I'll do better with bash |
| 09:31.53 | ompaul | intore: there is a great phrase I think you need to learn. You can't get there from here. |
| 09:33.57 | intore | ompaul, am installing xorg and gnome on the server. hope to resolve after this installation |
| 09:34.27 | ompaul | intore: no you need to use NFS |
| 09:34.50 | ompaul | xorg on the server is totally nothing to do with your problem |
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| 09:43.14 | intore | ompaul, ok, i'll come back in the afternoon. i'll try with samba. if doesn't run i'll change |
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| 09:44.10 | intore | ompaul, thanks |
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| 10:24.17 | GNU\colossus | is anyone using Icedove "esr" from mozilla.debian.net? if so, (how) do you use the enigmail and lightning extensions/addons? |
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| 10:26.47 | KidCisco | Will "debian-update-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso" do a new installation, or does it require that "debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso" be installed previous? |
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| 10:29.07 | babilen | KidCisco: Neither -- update images are meant for upgrades from the previous stable release. |
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| 10:30.08 | codekK | Mikey^, thanks a lot. I just install gnome-tweak-tool and the new theme is installed |
| 10:30.14 | codekK | Thanks really |
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| 10:30.41 | codekK | uy sry bad channel |
| 10:31.40 | KidCisco | So, I should install "debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso" first, and then boot with "debian-update-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso"? |
| 10:32.39 | KidCisco | help me, please |
| 10:33.14 | babilen | KidCisco: No. What are you trying to do? On what kind of hardware are you installing? Do you have a working network connection during the installation and/or thereafter? How do you connect to the internet if you do? |
| 10:33.28 | fnmueller | KidCisco: obviously, 6.0.5 == 6.0.5 |
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| 10:33.49 | fnmueller | no need to update if you install the same version first |
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| 10:34.24 | alex- | How can I Find out which firewall progrma is running on my server? |
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| 10:35.14 | babilen | alex-: Run "iptables -L" as root which will show you all active rules. |
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| 10:35.38 | KidCisco | babilen: Trying to install the latest stable release, on my i386 PC. |
| 10:35.46 | alex- | babilen: how can I disable iptables? |
| 10:35.50 | alex- | the firewall * |
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| 10:36.54 | babilen | alex-: How is it configured? How do you load the rules? Are you sure that it is active? (e.g. please paste the output of "iptables -L" to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 10:37.21 | babilen | KidCisco: Could you answer the rest of my questions as well please? Which desktop environment do you want to use after the installation (if any) ? |
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| 10:38.29 | alex- | dpkg tell alex- about pastebin |
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| 10:38.49 | babilen | !tell alex- -about selftell |
| 10:39.04 | babilen | !tell alex- -about nopaste |
| 10:39.19 | RLa | how is package dependencies info stored, in packages themself or in some central database? |
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| 10:40.03 | KidCisco | For a clean virgin brand new installation in its own virgin hard disk, which .iso do I use: A) "debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso"? or B) "debian-update-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso"? OR, do I install "A" first, followed by "B" ?? |
| 10:40.18 | RLa | i would pick A |
| 10:40.46 | KidCisco | RLa: what's "update" iso for? |
| 10:40.50 | GNU\colossus | oh come on. |
| 10:40.54 | RLa | well, i did not even know we have update cd's |
| 10:40.59 | alex- | babilen: how do you expect me to pastebin it when my firewall is applied? :D |
| 10:41.06 | babilen | KidCisco: Please answer my questions -- You don't need B) at all, but I am quite sure that A) is not what you want either. Believe me, I am trying to help you but can't give better support if you don't answer my questions. |
| 10:41.09 | alex- | I can't install a pastebin package.. |
| 10:41.21 | GNU\colossus | the icedove packages from mozilla.debian.net are, unfortunately, borderline absolutely useless. :( |
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| 10:41.32 | babilen | RLa: The update CD is meant for upgrading from the *last* stable release (i.e. lenny) to the current one (i.e. squeeze) |
| 10:41.41 | alex- | babilen: How can I disable the firewall? |
| 10:41.54 | alex- | service iptables stop says: unrecognized service |
| 10:42.05 | babilen | alex-: iptables -L lists rules? |
| 10:42.11 | alex- | yes |
| 10:42.22 | babilen | alex-: What loads those rules? |
| 10:42.39 | alex- | babilen: http://1.nl.eu.org/i/0BS.png |
| 10:42.46 | alex- | i have no idea |
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| 10:44.59 | babilen | alex-: Well, it is your box. iptables does *not* configure itself automatically and it does *not* come with an init script. *You* (or the administrator of that box) must have configured it. You can reset the rules to a "let me do everything" state by running http://paste.debian.net/169235/ (replace $IPTABLES with iptables), but that does not change the fact that these rules will most likely be active again. |
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| 10:45.34 | babilen | KidCisco: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Does it work *after* the installation? |
| 10:45.45 | KidCisco | babilen: I do not want to do a network install. I'm following the Debian webpage instructions: "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them." |
| 10:46.16 | g0to | hello |
| 10:47.06 | babilen | KidCisco: CD1 does *not* contain everyhting that is needed for a complete gnome installation. (e.g. network-manager-gnome is missing) -- I ask these questions for a reason. It might *also* be that you need firmware. I am merely trying to help, but well. You *can* use CD1 and be happy, but there might be a better alternative. Good luck! |
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| 10:47.44 | g0to | I'm trying a fresh squeeze install and getting "Bad archive mirror" error on every mirror I've tried. |
| 10:48.00 | KidCisco | the Debian webpage instructions are wrong then. |
| 10:48.14 | babilen | correct |
| 10:48.43 | babilen | But that also depends on what you consider to be a "standard" system :) |
| 10:48.46 | g0to | Virtual console 4 warning says "mirror does nor support the specified release (squeeze)" |
| 10:49.05 | KidCisco | babilen: clean install; i386 PC; Gnome; have DSL. There. |
| 10:49.07 | babilen | g0to: How do you connect to the internet? |
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| 10:49.26 | g0to | babilen, home router |
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| 10:51.12 | g0to | babilen, everything went well till the "choose a mirror" step |
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| 10:51.27 | babilen | KidCisco: Ok, i386 only hardware should be old enough so that all of it is supported by a .32 kernel. You might need firmware though (/msg dpkg firmware ; /msg dpkg installer firmware). I would probably use the netinst image, but you can use CD1 as well (as long as you make sure that you configure mirrors/network) |
| 10:51.30 | alex- | babilen: I did the script, but no reuslt |
| 10:51.34 | alex- | result * |
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| 10:51.56 | babilen | alex-: Show me "iptables -L" again please. Who configured iptables on that box? |
| 10:52.09 | barxool_ | Is a meta-package a special type of package or just a package that install no files and has dependencies ? Is there a field somewhere in the package that say "this is a meta-package" ? |
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| 10:52.23 | babilen | !tell barxool_ about metapackage |
| 10:52.30 | Arafangion | Guys, I got a *massive* new computer, just wondering if there's any tricks I can do to conserve power while it's on? (I'm doubtful, though) |
| 10:52.31 | alex- | babilen: http://1.nl.eu.org/i/0BS.png |
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| 10:52.47 | alex- | babilen: a web based ui |
| 10:53.10 | pjc_ | Arafangion: a psu is a psu at the end of the say |
| 10:53.13 | pjc_ | *day |
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| 10:53.21 | alex- | how can I add things to the iptables? |
| 10:53.26 | Arafangion | pjc_: So, I've no hope? |
| 10:53.33 | babilen | alex-: "a web based ui" ? |
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| 10:53.45 | alex- | yes |
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| 10:53.51 | alex- | a panel |
| 10:53.54 | alex- | so you can click on things |
| 10:54.08 | babilen | alex-: Disable it in the panel then. Which panel do you use? |
| 10:54.19 | alex- | I can't access it anymore |
| 10:54.24 | alex- | Because of the firewall |
| 10:54.29 | barxool_ | babilen> So there is no specific field in "control" for example that say if a package is a meta-package ? |
| 10:55.03 | pjc_ | Arafangion: get a different PSU? |
| 10:55.05 | KidCisco | Lemme see if I understand correctly: "debian-update-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso" is for installing v6.0.5 OVER a v5xx, or v4xx, or OLDER version? |
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| 10:55.37 | pjc_ | Arafangion: its the cost of having a high spec machine |
| 10:55.45 | Arafangion | pjc_: Heh, nah, I like this one, thanks for that. :) Was wondering if there was any point seeing if I could step the CPU down (from debian), or if it was ultimately pointless. |
| 10:55.55 | babilen | barxool_: No, there is not. I suggested such a thing once and we *might* have a specific category for metapackages soon, but they are not specifically markes as of now. |
| 10:56.16 | babilen | g0to: Your router connect to the internet and you connect via "normal" ethernet? |
| 10:56.43 | dokma | Can someone just verify I'm not making some obvious mistake here? I installed Debian in a VirtualBox VM configured all I needed and now I'm trying to copy it to a dedicated box with SSH access. I booted the VM with a live CD and then just bzipped the entier /dev/sda1. Now I'm copying it to the dedicated box with the intention to just write it to a partition and resize the ext3 to fill partition. |
| 10:56.49 | dokma | Is this correct? |
| 10:56.52 | babilen | KidCisco: -update- is meant for upgrading from lenny (5.X) to squeeze (6.0.5) |
| 10:57.12 | KidCisco | babilen: awrighty. Thanks a bunch. |
| 10:57.17 | barxool_ | babilen> thank you |
| 10:57.21 | g0to | babilen, that's it. The router provides required addresses via DHCP |
| 10:57.30 | babilen | barxool_: Any particular reason why you might need that? |
| 10:57.51 | barxool_ | babilen> I was trying to list every meta-packages on my system |
| 10:57.53 | alex- | babilen: Any suggestions? |
| 10:58.23 | babilen | g0to: Hmm, ok. I've seen errors like that where the router is not actually serving the content, but some "Please login to University service A" or "We hijacked your DNS so please look at our spam/ads here" pages. |
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| 11:00.49 | KidCisco | Arafangion: doesn't your mobo have ACPI? http://acpi.info/ |
| 11:00.59 | g0to | babilen, I'm testing connections to the same ftp servers I've tried in the mirrors, using a Ubuntu box, and everything works fine |
| 11:01.52 | Arafangion | KidCisco: Lets hope so! |
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| 11:02.17 | KidCisco | Arafangion: heh heh ;) |
| 11:02.23 | Arafangion | Hmm, typing in 'acpi' results in: NO support for device type: power_supply. (And that's the only output) |
| 11:02.55 | babilen | alex-: Yes, disable iptables in whatever panel you use. (Which is it?) -- The iptables commands I've given you should delete *all* user-defined chains, flush all rules (iptables -F) and set the policy to ACCEPT for all standard chains. |
| 11:03.50 | alex- | babilen: openmediavault |
| 11:03.52 | babilen | alex-: That is: After you run "iptables -F" *no* rules should be active. |
| 11:04.09 | alex- | thanks :D |
| 11:04.17 | alex- | that did the job |
| 11:04.18 | Arafangion | KidCisco: I'm not going to stress *too* much about 170W, though. :) |
| 11:04.34 | babilen | alex-: Openmediavault is *not* Debian, is it? |
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| 11:04.58 | babilen | alex-: And how could that have done the job if the same commands earlier did not? |
| 11:04.58 | KidCisco | Arafangion: right; don't sweat it |
| 11:05.33 | Arafangion | KidCisco: I do have to wonder why every computer has to have these super-bright LED's, though. :( |
| 11:05.41 | alex- | babilen: OpenMediaVault = Debian + web ui |
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| 11:05.59 | alex- | Just the web ui |
| 11:06.10 | alex- | It's also possible to install OpenMediaVault on Debian |
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| 11:06.20 | alex- | So I don't think it's another distro. |
| 11:06.22 | babilen | alex-: Apparently the WebUI makes things difficult and non-standard. I still wonder why running my commands *again* solved the issue. |
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| 11:06.35 | alex- | me too :P |
| 11:06.38 | alex- | maybe the iptables -F |
| 11:06.41 | KidCisco | Arafangion: LEDs are low power; they just seem bright. |
| 11:06.57 | babilen | alex-: "iptables -F" was part of my initial commands. |
| 11:07.07 | Arafangion | KidCisco: They also keep me awake! |
| 11:07.15 | babilen | g0to: Ok, sorry for being active with other people. One second please. |
| 11:07.17 | Arafangion | KidCisco: Which is never good! :) |
| 11:07.29 | KidCisco | Arafangion: wear some blinders. |
| 11:07.50 | Arafangion | Bah. |
| 11:08.35 | alex- | babilen: strane |
| 11:08.37 | alex- | strange * |
| 11:09.02 | Arafangion | Oh, and yeah... Another question I had: How do I tell debian to re-scan the hardware without preserving old hardware locations? |
| 11:09.09 | KidCisco | Can I burn "debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso" onto a USB stick? Will it boot? |
| 11:09.13 | Arafangion | Eg, I want it to pick up the DVD drive as /dev/dvd. |
| 11:09.22 | g0to | babilen, oh, don't worry at all. Take your time. I'm still googling the problem |
| 11:09.23 | Arafangion | In other words, how do I nuke the udev cache? |
| 11:10.02 | babilen | g0to: What happens if you run "curl http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release|less" on a console? Does it look like http://paste.debian.net/169241/ ? |
| 11:10.05 | PrickelPit | KidCisco, yes, simply dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb i.e. |
| 11:10.25 | babilen | !tell KidCisco -about hybrid images |
| 11:10.29 | babilen | !tell KidCisco -about usb install |
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| 11:10.37 | babilen | KidCisco: Which operating system are you using right now? |
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| 11:11.04 | KidCisco | babilen: MS-Bob |
| 11:11.20 | babilen | PrickelPit: Using dd like that really doesn't make sense and just complicates the matter. (Just use "cp" or specify a different blocksize (e.g. bs=4k) |
| 11:11.22 | KidCisco | hah hah hah . . . just kiddin! |
| 11:11.39 | babilen | KidCisco: MS Windows? |
| 11:11.41 | Arafangion | KidCisco: Kidding or not, I can't talk to you anymore! ;) |
| 11:11.42 | g0to | babilen, curl seems to be not installed yet at this point of the installation :S |
| 11:11.47 | KidCisco | lol |
| 11:11.56 | PrickelPit | babilen, it makes sense, works for me everytime, dunno whas your problem and dont want to argue around. |
| 11:12.10 | babilen | g0to: wget? Hmm, I thought the installer used curl to download packages. :-/ |
| 11:12.14 | KidCisco | i'm using Linux now |
| 11:13.02 | KidCisco | babilen: "Bob" was a failed OS of the dorks up north. |
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| 11:13.30 | KidCisco | so failed you prolly don't know about it |
| 11:13.32 | babilen | KidCisco: Why don't you just answer questions? It makes it much easier (and less noisy) to support you. |
| 11:13.48 | Arafangion | KidCisco: Sadly, one telco's calling their house smartphone product "Bob", with the slogan: "Have you been bobbed yet?" |
| 11:14.03 | KidCisco | babilen: just a moment of mirth ... that's all |
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| 11:14.37 | babilen | KidCisco: Why don't you just answer questions? It makes it much easier (and less noisy) to support you. It will most likely boil down to "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (where /dev/sdX is your usb block device - check "dmesg|tail -n23" after inserting the thumb drive) |
| 11:14.47 | KidCisco | Arafangion: heh |
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| 11:15.13 | babilen | g0to: Can you ping the mirror? |
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| 11:15.40 | KidCisco | babilen: ok; thanks. |
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| 11:15.58 | g0to | babilen, indeed, it uses wget, but getting an error from it "bad address: ftp.uk.debian.org" |
| 11:16.17 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:16.18 | g0to | babilen, the same for ftp.debian.org |
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| 11:16.27 | Posterdati | is there any webdev tools under wheezy? |
| 11:16.45 | g0to | babilen, ping is not installed yet :S |
| 11:17.25 | babilen | g0to: Ok, your DNS seems to be problematic in that case. What is the output of "cat /etc/resolv.conf" What does "nslookup ftp.uk.debian.org" give you? What about "nslookup ftp.uk.debian.org 8.8.8.8" ? |
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| 11:17.37 | babilen | hopes nslookup is installed :) |
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| 11:18.04 | babilen | Posterdati: What are webdev tools? |
| 11:18.27 | Posterdati | babilen: tools for develop webpage/website |
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| 11:18.42 | rawhite | hi. is it possible to build a debiancd iso with lenny and archive mirror ? doesn't matter why the question is if possible ? |
| 11:18.46 | babilen | Posterdati: There are plenty of tools for web development. A bazillion web frameworks for every language you can imagine, plenty of editors, IDEs, browsers, browser plugins, ... |
| 11:19.09 | Posterdati | babilen: yes. |
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| 11:19.35 | babilen | rawhite: You can still download lenny's DVDs/CDs -- But you *really* *really* shouldn't use lenny and upgrade to squeeze *NOW* (actually half a year ago) |
| 11:19.38 | g0to | babilen, /etc/resolv.conf has one line: "nameserver 192.168.128.1", being that IP the router address |
| 11:20.08 | babilen | g0to: Yes, i assumed as much. Looks as if that DNS there is massive fail. Are the two nslookup calls successful? |
| 11:20.14 | g0to | babilen, nslookup is not yet installed |
| 11:20.18 | babilen | gah! |
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| 11:20.42 | KidCisco | gotta go. Thanks to all. You're all supercool. |
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| 11:20.57 | kba | when I'm in my terminal, and I have a line like: kristian@dex:~$ nano /etc/apache/httpd.conf, I then press enter. When I leave nano, or do pretty much anything else, and I press up arrow to get the previous line back, it often happens that something is wrong with my line |
| 11:20.58 | babilen | Ok, could you run "echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf" and try again? |
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| 11:21.17 | kba | if I press ctrl+a to get to the beginning of the line, for instance, it won't take me to the beginning, but instead take me to the middle of the line |
| 11:21.39 | babilen | g0to: Sorry - My last line (see above) was meant for you :) |
| 11:21.41 | kba | but if I then edit something there, in what appears to be the middle of the line, it's in fact the beginning of the line I'm editing |
| 11:21.42 | g0to | babilen, I just tried changing nameserver to 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf, but I get the same error on mirror scanning |
| 11:22.06 | kba | what could cause this? |
| 11:22.35 | babilen | g0to: Does wget work now? |
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| 11:24.44 | g0to | babilen, I think the DNS is not resolving properly. 'wget http://www.google.com' -> "wget_ bad address www.google.com" |
| 11:25.06 | born2troll | i would like to put up debian stable on my laptop but its crying it does not find my ethernet card... how do i find out which card it is? |
| 11:25.08 | rawhite | babilen: i know that , but the question is how to make it use archive mirror instead of the ones that it would use ... |
| 11:25.11 | babilen | g0to: Hmm, something is wonky. Unfortunately I have to leave now (lunch) and have to leave you alone. |
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| 11:25.19 | alex- | I can't get wgetpaste to work... |
| 11:25.25 | alex- | Apparently nothing was received. Perhaps the connection failed. |
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| 11:26.00 | babilen | g0to: Good luck and see you later! (8.8.8.8 is Google's free DNS that really *should* work.) |
| 11:26.10 | g0to | babilen, don't worry. I have your seed ideas to go one with tests |
| 11:26.29 | g0to | babilen, thanks a lot, Sir ;) |
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| 11:32.14 | born2troll | babilen, have you a couple of minutes? i try to install debian on my laptop and its not finding my ethernet device |
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| 11:32.42 | born2troll | i am currently starting a knopix to look wich one it is |
| 11:33.08 | boycottFB | is it an external one or is it onboard ? |
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| 11:33.29 | born2troll | boycottFB, onboard |
| 11:33.47 | boycottFB | if you try "ifconfig -a" can you see it ? |
| 11:34.17 | born2troll | boycottFB, command not found right now. i made rm -rf / on my ubuntu :P |
| 11:34.30 | boycottFB | arent you on knoppix ? |
| 11:34.38 | born2troll | burning a life distri currently of knoppix |
| 11:34.42 | born2troll | not finished yet |
| 11:35.35 | boycottFB | so you cant do nothing. sice you dont have an OS . i cant see the point of your question.. |
| 11:35.42 | boycottFB | *since |
| 11:36.25 | boycottFB | come back here when you've finished burning knoppix :) |
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| 11:37.05 | born2troll | currently starting knoppix |
| 11:37.30 | boycottFB | ok, start it in "text mode" , if possible. |
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| 11:38.08 | boycottFB | (because network manager and similar things could mess the things) |
| 11:39.35 | boycottFB | i'll brb in 2 minutes... |
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| 11:44.10 | born2troll | got it! atheros communication device 1083 |
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| 11:45.45 | rootant | o/ |
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| 11:46.02 | Arafangion | How do I find out how hot my processors are from linux? |
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| 11:46.28 | spacedust | lm sensors |
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| 11:46.56 | born2troll | Arafangion, its all listed in lspci as far as i know... lspci|grep -i something |
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| 11:47.25 | boycottFB | born2troll: now try "ifconfig -a" and see if an ethx appears |
| 11:48.04 | Arafangion | born2troll: No, that doesn't make sense. |
| 11:48.09 | Arafangion | spacedust: That sounds promising. |
| 11:48.18 | born2troll | yes it does but i already found out what device it is: atheros communication device 1083 |
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| 11:49.25 | boycottFB | atheros ? is it wireless? |
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| 11:52.32 | born2troll | boycottFB, i did it yes it works with knoppix |
| 11:53.39 | boycottFB | what, problem solved ? :-) |
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| 11:54.14 | born2troll | no... i still have to find a driver for debian |
| 11:54.18 | born2troll | atheros communication device 1083 |
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| 11:55.06 | boycottFB | what happens when you run debian? it doesnt appear with "ifconfig -a" ? .. |
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| 11:55.38 | born2troll | boycottFB, i dont run debian... im still stuck at the installation... it tells me it does not find my etherent device |
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| 11:56.19 | boycottFB | i've found this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/howto-install-driver-for-ethernet-controller-atheros-communications-device-1083-a-930325/ |
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| 11:57.57 | boycottFB | ah installation? so what you need is to specify (at the beginning of the installation) to _load_ wireless modules needed by you interface. You can find that option in the installation menu (it's one of the first things it asks you) |
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| 11:58.59 | born2troll | boycottFB, i dont make it that far... its detecting my hardware and fails |
| 11:59.27 | born2troll | telling me "no ethernet card was detected" |
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| 12:00.02 | abrotman | so finish the install without network |
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| 12:00.26 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've just installed SID (using businesscard ISO) with kFreeBSD. Unfortunately, I can't boot my system, grub doesn't show any available images |
| 12:00.36 | hid3 | Any ideas how do I boot the kFreeBSD? |
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| 12:00.46 | boycottFB | born2troll: when you start the installation it asks you if you want addictional modules loaded for installation purpouse (aka "to be used to perform the installation" ) just go through that list of modules and see if you can find the driver for you card. It _most probably_ is there |
| 12:00.49 | hid3 | oh, and there is a kernel image in /boot |
| 12:01.46 | abrotman | !tell hid3 about debian kfreebsd |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | gah |
| 12:01.56 | abrotman | !tell hid3 about kfreebsd |
| 12:01.58 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 12:02.19 | boycottFB | !tell me about kfreebsd |
| 12:02.28 | boycottFB | !tell boycoyyFB about kfreebsd |
| 12:02.39 | boycottFB | nice! |
| 12:03.07 | abrotman | !tell boycottFB about selftell |
| 12:04.10 | boycottFB | abrotman: i'm sorry about that. i didnt know .. |
| 12:04.11 | born2troll | boycottFB, its asking for the language... |
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| 12:04.23 | abrotman | born2troll: have you read the install guide? |
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| 12:07.11 | boycottFB | born2troll: i'm not sure, maybe it's the advanced install ... btw you have to find the point when the installation asks you if you need to load some modules (for the net or usb devices etc etc ) _during_the_installation_ . Usually it is not needed, _but_ in your specific case you need that feature to be able to use the interface |
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| 12:08.10 | boycottFB | abrotman: is it possible to me to try the freebsd kernel on my debian (installing it via apt) or will it make some irreversible changes ? |
| 12:08.19 | boycottFB | -to +for |
| 12:08.26 | valdyn | boycottFB: no |
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| 12:08.58 | abrotman | boycottFB: you mean with a reinstall ? |
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| 12:10.04 | boycottFB | abrotman: no, i mean something like: i install that kernel via apt, then i can reeboot and choose (at boot time) if i want to boot the system using a linux kernel or a freebsd one |
| 12:10.15 | boycottFB | -e |
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| 12:10.54 | abrotman | boycottFB: no |
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| 12:12.25 | boycottFB | :( what happens if i do "apt-get kfreebsd-image-9.0.1-amd64 and then i reboot? will i mess up the system? |
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| 12:15.00 | born2troll | boycottFB, i found it but i dont find a network package there... |
| 12:15.37 | __name__ | Hey! |
| 12:15.47 | born2troll | boycottFB, i found this point where it asks me if i wanna load via usb |
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| 12:15.52 | __name__ | I have been wondering why pidgin-otr has not received a DSA yet. See http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/pipermail/otr-announce/2012-May/000026.html |
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| 12:18.48 | boycottFB | born2troll: look in that modules list, the driver you need is probably this ---> atl1c |
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| 12:19.53 | born2troll | boycottFB, worth a shot! brb |
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| 12:20.01 | boycottFB | you can press "Ctrl+Alt+F1" and then Alt+right-arrow until you find an empty console. then try: |
| 12:20.05 | boycottFB | modprobe atl1c |
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| 12:20.18 | abrotman | __name__: doesn't OTR only work with XMPP ? |
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| 12:20.43 | boycottFB | so use the menu list or the last procedure (the ctrl+alt+f1 thing) |
| 12:20.53 | born2troll | boycottFB, im not using the graphical installer... |
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| 12:21.18 | boycottFB | born2troll: that's ok. so just use alt+right |
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| 12:21.34 | abrotman | do you even know which installer he's using ? |
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| 12:22.17 | born2troll | abramart, the standard one when u put in a life cd and hit enter |
| 12:22.27 | abrotman | which standard one? |
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| 12:22.38 | boycottFB | abrotman: mmm, no. but i think that netinst and also the normal installer has that module list in common , isn't it? |
| 12:22.40 | born2troll | boycottFB, i will try but i think its not neccersary... i get a list of modules anyway |
| 12:22.42 | abrotman | for which version of Debian? for which architecture? |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | do you even have teh PCIID of the device that's not working? |
| 12:23.11 | boycottFB | born2troll: livecd? ah, so you're using knoppix ?!? |
| 12:23.30 | __name__ | abrotman, Well, I think it has issues with protocols that limit message lenght, but other than that, the carrier protocol should be irrelevant |
| 12:23.38 | boycottFB | born2troll: i thought you tried knoppix only to test if the card was visible |
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| 12:23.55 | abrotman | __name__: well, i asked about XMPP because you have to 'trust' the person on the other end that would exploit it :) |
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| 12:24.21 | boycottFB | abrotman: he posted it: 1083 dev. id, from atheros wireless card |
| 12:24.34 | born2troll | boycottFB, no im in the debian installer but i can just choose a module there... just did not know wich one till u tould me. thx for that =) |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | that's half of it |
| 12:24.42 | abrotman | and atl1c is for a WIRED card |
| 12:24.51 | __name__ | abrotman, Well, someone could inject malicious messages into your network communications I suppose. |
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| 12:25.15 | boycottFB | abrotman: i dont know , i've just found this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/howto-install-driver-for-ethernet-controller-atheros-communications-device-1083-a-930325/ |
| 12:25.20 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin-otr |
| 12:25.22 | judd | Package: pidgin-otr on i386 -- lenny: 3.2.0-2+lenny0; squeeze: 3.2.0-5; wheezy: 3.2.0-5; sid: 3.2.1-1 |
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| 12:25.37 | boycottFB | that's where i 've found that module name |
| 12:25.49 | abrotman | __name__: append bug 673154 .. ask about a DSA release |
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| 12:26.04 | abrotman | so much fail .. |
| 12:26.22 | abrotman | __name__: the bug is noted as still foind in stable .. ask if a patch/fix is forthcoming |
| 12:26.43 | born2troll | atl1c seems wrong... its not continueing |
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| 12:26.54 | abrotman | no shit .. |
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| 12:27.29 | __name__ | abrotman, Because I think someone could send bad data as an unverified peer and your pidgin-otr would decode it. |
| 12:27.52 | __name__ | And that's perfectly possible for someone who's between you and the Internet |
| 12:27.57 | abrotman | __name__: okay, so append the bug, ask where the fix is |
| 12:28.31 | __name__ | Will do |
| 12:29.25 | abrotman | __name__: they may say it's a low priority, etc .. |
| 12:29.37 | abrotman | although the fix seems pretty simple .. don't see why they wouldn't |
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| 12:36.40 | BuisSse | My PC doesnt have a direct Internet Connection. All web traffic goes via a Proxy |
| 12:36.52 | BuisSse | Is it posible for me todo a apt-get install via thr proxy? |
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| 12:39.31 | boycottFB | BuisSse: try "export http_proxy=http://ip:port/;apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" on a console/terminal, |
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| 12:40.06 | boycottFB | change ip:port with the ones of your proxy server |
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| 12:40.33 | kesroesweyth | Woke up this morning to find my hard disk completely full. Was only half full yesterday. How can I use du to show total size of the directories within the working dir? |
| 12:40.44 | kesroesweyth | I tried du -hcxs but that got me one total for / |
| 12:40.55 | kesroesweyth | I want to see /var /etc, all that separately |
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| 12:41.19 | korkman | cd /; du -s ./* |
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| 12:41.39 | boycottFB | kesroesweyth: or you can also try baobab |
| 12:41.49 | SomeoneWeird | whats the package name for glib? |
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| 12:42.43 | valdyn | SomeoneWeird: libglib2.0-0 |
| 12:42.46 | korkman | cd /; du -sx ./* | sort -r | less |
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| 12:44.00 | korkman | something along the lines. or baobab, filelight for nice visual, though they chronically fail to skip remote mounts for me |
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| 12:52.33 | JJCale | Hi. I'm running Debian Wheezy and in my sources.list I have the official debian repositóries and the debian multimedia repositories. I'm doing apt-pinning. Debian unstable has pin priority -5 and debian multimedia unstable has pin priority -10. When I want to install a package that is both on debian official repositories and on debian multimedia repository, and I do an "aptitude install foo/unstable" aptitude always install the version from debi |
| 12:52.33 | JJCale | an multimedia (which has a lower priority), in spite of installing the version from the debian official repositories! Please someone teach me on how to make aptitude install the version from debian official on this cases. |
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| 12:55.00 | korkman | JJCale: i think the difference has to be higher because 5 points is only a slight bias. try adding two zeroes. |
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| 12:57.37 | dizzylizzy | on an x86_64 cpu, would virtualbox be faster at emulating x86 or x86_64? |
| 12:57.39 | JJCale | korkman: I already teste it with debian unstable pin priority 800 and debian multimedia unstable pin priority -10 and even with this configuration aptitude install foo/unstable install the version from debiam multimedia unstable... So are you saying I should give debian multimedia unstable something like -100 ? |
| 12:57.52 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: sounds like you should run a test :) |
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| 12:58.01 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: or stop into #vbox |
| 12:58.26 | korkman | JJCale: yes. |
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| 12:59.20 | korkman | JJCale: apt scores the packages in some range, i'd have to look it up, but 5 or 10 points are easily skipped |
| 12:59.30 | dizzylizzy | abrotman: ooh they have a channel, thanks! |
| 12:59.44 | abrotman | dizzylizzy: /msg alis help |
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| 13:00.27 | dizzylizzy | o_o |
| 13:00.29 | dizzylizzy | thank you for that |
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| 13:02.41 | dirtydawg | when downloading the installation DVD, if a have an i3, is it the amd64 .ISO i should get ? |
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| 13:03.17 | JJCale | korkman: I tried with debian/unstable pin -10 and debian multimedia/unstable pin -100 and aptitude install foo/unstable insists no install the version from debian multimedia/unstable... |
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| 13:04.56 | JJCale | korkman: even with debian/unstable pin 800 and debian multimedia pin -100 "aptitude install foo/unstable" wants to install the version from debiam multimedia unstable... |
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| 13:06.04 | korkman | JJCale: a much easier way than pinning was for me to just enable repos on demand, install a more recent version of what i want, then disable the repo again |
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| 13:07.59 | JJCale | korkman: ok, but allowing apt-pining to do all the work automatically is much more convenient... Beisdes I'm running debian testing which is alwyas upgrading itself |
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| 13:09.13 | korkman | JJCale: I'm reading a bit in "man apt_preferences" there's a list on how apt scores certain situations |
| 13:09.42 | JJCale | korkman and others: so nobody knows how to make aptitude install de version from debian unstable instead of the version from debian multimedia unstable, on this cases? It seems apt-pinning is not function has it is stated on the manuals.... |
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| 13:11.47 | JJCale | korkman: Yes there is such a list. I studied apt_preferences.... That's why I say it seems apt-pinning is not working as it should... or we are "forgetting" something... |
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| 13:13.12 | korkman | JJCale: debian-multimedia and debian-unstable are both release "unstable" so they're close from the start |
| 13:13.30 | korkman | JJCale: pastebin your preferences maybe i can spot smth |
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| 13:16.09 | JJCale | korkman: In my preferences file I have both debian multimedia testing (wheezy) and debian multimedia unstable. and both debian testing and debian unstable. Please instruct me on how to do a pastebin cause I never did that (sorry) |
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| 13:17.03 | korkman | JJCale: paste.debian.net |
| 13:17.31 | korkman | enter name (any) paste into field, get link, post link here |
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| 13:18.17 | korkman | (there's many pastebin services, just chose paste.debian.net to blend in :-) |
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| 13:19.13 | Arafangion | misses rafb.net/paste |
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| 13:19.35 | ManuRocca | ciao |
| 13:19.37 | ManuRocca | !list |
| 13:19.37 | dpkg | manurocca: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 13:21.28 | T-Guy | !ops objection!!! korkman like Justin Bieber! he must be kicked out! |
| 13:21.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: t-guy complains about: objection!!! korkman like Justin Bieber! he must be kicked out! |
| 13:21.34 | JJCale | korkman: Thank you very much. Here is the pastbin link: http://paste.debian.net/169258/ |
| 13:21.56 | themill | looks at T-Guy |
| 13:22.01 | mentor | looks at T-Guy |
| 13:22.23 | T-Guy | hides :-" |
| 13:23.00 | korkman | wtf was that about |
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| 13:25.42 | korkman | JJCale: i'm not sure the "o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages" filter works with all the spaces |
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| 13:26.40 | T-Guy | is there an IRC client for debian which I can write scripts for it like mIRC (@mirc.com)? for example writing a script to kick every user who says "fuck" in the channel. or to welcome every joining user by a msg. |
| 13:26.59 | korkman | JJCale: maybe use Pin: origin instead? |
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| 13:27.03 | JJCale | korkman: I think It's working, because when I do an a apt-cache policy foo all repositories and pin priorities are being listed correctly |
| 13:27.04 | andornaut | Hi, I had to hard-reboot my computer. Now I can't boot; I get errors like " mount: mounting /dev/md0 on /boot/ failed: Invalid argument" and then i'm dumped to an initramfs console. I tried mounting the individual drive partitions (instead of the raid array) with mount -t btrfs /mnt/dev/sda2 /mnt/ but I get the same "Invalid Argument" error. Any ideas? |
| 13:27.14 | korkman | JJCale: ah ok |
| 13:27.16 | fkm | T-Guy: You can write Python scripts for XChat. |
| 13:28.12 | JJCale | korkman: but if you wnat I can try with: Pint: origin "deb-multimedia.org" Just tell me if this line is correct? |
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| 13:28.30 | T-Guy | fkm: how?! |
| 13:28.37 | JJCale | korkman: I mean Pin: origin "deb-multimedia.org" |
| 13:28.54 | korkman | andornaut: check messages in dmesg after mount. it will probably say bad things about your filesystem. |
| 13:29.18 | fkm | T-Guy: http://labix.org/xchat-python |
| 13:29.25 | korkman | JJCale: if you checked with apt-cache i don't think that's necessary |
| 13:29.39 | JJCale | korkman: Ok :) |
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| 13:30.10 | andornaut | korkman: no new messages in dmesg after i run the mount command |
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| 13:31.33 | korkman | andornaut: possibly btrfs corruption. #btrfs may help :-/ good luck |
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| 13:32.25 | T-Guy | how can I ask a question which contains long error messages in IRC? |
| 13:32.40 | korkman | T-Guy: http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:32.40 | fkm | T-Guy: Use a pastebin |
| 13:34.12 | andornaut | korkman: thanks |
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| 13:38.05 | suborbital | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.32 | pathcl | ? |
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| 13:39.25 | T-Guy | debian pastebin gives a 500 Internal server error :| |
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| 13:40.32 | T-Guy | used the ubuntu pastebin ;) |
| 13:40.52 | T-Guy | can you plz tell me wtf is the problem with this shit? http://paste.ubuntu.com/992371/ |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | T-Guy: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 13:41.48 | korkman | T-Guy: try install package "lsb" |
| 13:41.55 | T-Guy | abrotman, 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 13:42.21 | abrotman | it has a huge error at teh top .. you're deense |
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| 13:43.07 | T-Guy | I don't get what u mean abrotman ?! |
| 13:43.42 | kesroesweyth | heh |
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| 13:44.21 | T-Guy | korkman, done. the error remains :| |
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| 13:44.39 | rawhite | anyone good with debian-cd (custom builder) ? |
| 13:44.45 | suborbital | yes |
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| 13:44.55 | suborbital | so good i replaced it with: |
| 13:45.01 | suborbital | OpenBSD. |
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| 13:47.17 | korkman | T-Guy: is the GE installer a huge bash script or an ELF binary? open in a robust editor check the first line. if it points to /bin/sh, change to /bin/bash |
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| 13:49.59 | korkman | T-Guy: i'd vote for mcedit, nano or vim. the "missing" line is an interpreter error. debian changed default to dash instead of bash a while ago and some bad scripts did not reference they need bash. those broke. |
| 13:50.23 | themill | just running "bash scriptname" saves doing that |
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| 13:50.56 | korkman | T-Guy: do what themill says it's easier indeed |
| 13:51.07 | T-Guy | korkman, `head GoogleEarthLinux.bin` returns: #!/bin/sh , I'm not so good at commands. but that does not seem legit to open a 40mb binary completely with a editor |
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| 13:52.08 | T-Guy | is there a regex command or something to replace the first line of the file?! |
| 13:52.10 | korkman | T-Guy: that's why i said robust :-) but themill has an easier solution. |
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| 13:53.39 | korkman | T-Guy: /bin/bash ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin |
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| 13:54.19 | JJCale | korkman: I think the problem is this: When we do an "aptitude install foo/unstable" we are only instructing apt about the archive from we want to install the package... And both debian official and debian multimedia use the some archive names ("unstable", "testing"...). So when we do an "aptitude install foo/unstable" apt just installs the more recent version from unstable (even if pin piority of debian unstable is higher than pin priority of deb |
| 13:54.19 | JJCale | ian multimedia unstable)...I don't know if there's something we can do to prevent this behaviour, but I have no doubts this is a severe limitation of apt-pinning... |
| 13:55.34 | T-Guy | same error :( I think this shit is not compatible with deb. It must have been for rpm. as far as it needs me to install lsb which is a compilation of tools like alien and rpm, etc. |
| 13:56.04 | abrotman | maybe you should use another distro |
| 13:56.07 | korkman | JJCale: well what happens if you aptitude, and press shift-u on the package? |
| 13:56.29 | T-Guy | abrotman, are you fucking kidding me? |
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| 13:56.48 | abrotman | no |
| 13:56.50 | themill | T-Guy: take it easy, will you? |
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| 13:57.17 | korkman | JJCale: (in aptitude, you can chose from the available versions explicitly, too) |
| 13:57.21 | T-Guy | ok |
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| 13:57.47 | korkman | T-Guy: when running with /bin/bash, is the same error present: 291: missing ] |
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| 13:58.26 | JJCale | korkman: If we do an "aptitude install foo/testing" the behaviour is the same... aptitude install the package from debian multimedia testing in spite of the higher pin priority given to debian testing!! I beginning to belive we are facing a very bad limitation (bug) of apt and apt-pinning... |
| 13:59.00 | T-Guy | Welcome born2troll :)) nice nick ;) |
| 13:59.00 | T-Guy | korkman, yess [: 291: missing ] |
| 13:59.39 | JJCale | korkman: so "aptitude install foo/testing" or "aptitude install foo/unstable is completely blind to the apt-pinning configuration... |
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| 14:00.00 | intore | karlpinc, hi, could i ask you something |
| 14:00.40 | korkman | T-Guy: then the install script is severly broken. you can try and fix it (just remove the red hat / yum detected case and leave deb one). and yes that means opening a large file in an editor :-/ |
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| 14:03.36 | Almtesh | I'm using iceweasel 10.0.4 on wheezy, is that normal I have strange character displays? |
| 14:03.50 | Almtesh | Only on iceweasel. |
| 14:04.00 | T-Guy | from now on, Google is banned be Debian users, cuz it's software are not compatible with Deb. |
| 14:04.00 | T-Guy | *by |
| 14:04.01 | dvs | Almtesh: Why 10? Why not 12? |
| 14:04.19 | Almtesh | I'm using repos's version. |
| 14:04.32 | dvs | What repo? |
| 14:04.40 | Almtesh | debian's one. |
| 14:04.47 | Almtesh | ftp2.fr.debian.org. |
| 14:04.56 | Almtesh | Through ftp protocol. |
| 14:04.57 | dvs | Why not mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 14:05.14 | Almtesh | That's indeed a good question. |
| 14:05.20 | dvs | yeah |
| 14:05.21 | korkman | JJCale: seems so. good to know. i once again stamp apt-pinning as strange voodoo not meant to be actually used :-) |
| 14:05.27 | Almtesh | debian.net? |
| 14:05.36 | themill | JJCale: the foo/testing syntax changes your pinning for that command |
| 14:05.37 | Almtesh | debian.org, you meant? |
| 14:05.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Almtesh about mdn |
| 14:05.51 | Almtesh | mdn? |
| 14:05.56 | Almtesh | Are you here? |
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| 14:06.24 | Almtesh | Sorry, I missed the word places. |
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| 14:06.32 | RLa | how to find packages that are essential or dependencies to essential packages? |
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| 14:06.51 | korkman | T-Guy: that bug isn't very debian specific, though. there's simply a syntax error interpreted by that version of bash. |
| 14:06.56 | Almtesh | RLa, try with apt-cache show <paquage name> |
| 14:07.24 | T-Guy | korkman, I'll try modifying, tnx |
| 14:07.31 | RLa | Almtesh, that requires looking through each package? |
| 14:07.59 | JJCale | themill: yes I now that... the problem is that that command will always install the most recent version of testing (or unstable in case of aptitude install foo/unstable), in spite of the pin priorities defined on /etc/apt/preferences... |
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| 14:08.29 | themill | JJCale: of course the command line options override what is in /etc/apt/preferences. That's the entire point. |
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| 14:10.09 | JJCale | themill: So how can I make an aptitude install foo/unstable install the version from debian unstable instead of installing the version from debian multimedia unstable (and the some for an aptitude install foo/testing) ? |
| 14:10.30 | korkman | JJCale: eh command line params have priority over config file it does make sense |
| 14:10.41 | korkman | JJCale: take away the /unstable |
| 14:10.48 | themill | JJCale: "aptitude install foo=version". Convincing the dmm maintainer to be more compatible with debian would be even better... |
| 14:11.11 | korkman | JJCale: pin the package in unstable version to be higher in config |
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| 14:11.52 | korkman | JJCale: so your command would be aptitude install foo only |
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| 14:12.22 | JJCale | themill: You have a good point here... convincing the dmm maintainer to be more compatible with debian... I agree with you... |
| 14:13.03 | jmelis | hi guys, quick /etc/network/interfaces question. I have two nics: eth0 and eth1. eth0 is set by dhcp, and eth1 is static. My default gateway is eth1, but eth0 is also setting a gateway from the dhcp. Is there any way to disable the dhcp nic from creating the default route? |
| 14:13.06 | themill | (as opposed to intentionally breaking things and then claiming that there are no issues...) |
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| 14:13.43 | JJCale | korkman: the problem is that I'm running debian testing and I only want to install packages from unstable if I say that explicitly (with aptitude install foo/unstable)... That's why I'm giving a negative pin priority to unstable, on my preferences file... :) |
| 14:13.44 | deso | quick question, to use testing instead of stable do I install stable then change 'Squeeze' in source.list to testing or sid? Is that the correct method? Also when Wheezey comes out will machines running testing branch stay in testing branch or will they stick with stable when wheezey reaches that stage? |
| 14:14.28 | korkman | JJCale: yes but you can add lines in preferences for the actual package name |
| 14:14.34 | Almtesh | dvs, indeed, that resolves my problem. |
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| 14:14.40 | Almtesh | dvs, thanks. |
| 14:14.45 | korkman | JJCale: that's how kde 4.7 used to be pulled from experimental |
| 14:14.45 | dvs | !beer me |
| 14:14.45 | dpkg | pours a quart of Batch 50 GFAR for dvs |
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| 14:16.30 | korkman | deso: testing == wheezy, not sid |
| 14:17.02 | korkman | deso: so you can chose to either replace squeeze with testing, which would upgrade automatically later |
| 14:17.09 | deso | korkman, oh yea my bad, sid is unstable |
| 14:17.22 | JJCale | korkman: In the past I was giving debian multimedia testing the some priority of debian testing... But know, with all these problems and broken packages from debiam multimedia, I will give debian multimedia testing a lower priority than debian testing... Do you agrre with me that this is the wisest solution and that will not bring any conflicts? |
| 14:17.25 | korkman | deso: or replace with wheezy which would stay there |
| 14:17.39 | korkman | deso: and get more and more stable |
| 14:17.46 | JJCale | but now... |
| 14:18.27 | deso | korkman: sorry but so does testing become stable when the version-in-testing becomes stable? |
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| 14:19.11 | korkman | JJCale: i'd reduce sources.list to testing only, not mess with preferences. unstable only temporary. |
| 14:19.19 | JJCale | deso: testing will alywas be testing... |
| 14:19.45 | deso | JJCale: lol ok thanks, just wanted to check that one day a box running testing won't become stable after an apt-get upgrade |
| 14:19.56 | korkman | deso: look at it this way: right now, squeeze is declared "stable", so both names squeeze and stable point to the same distro version |
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| 14:20.34 | korkman | deso: "stable" will be upgraded automatically when wheezy is declared stable, and squeeze will become "old-stable" |
| 14:20.47 | JJCale | korkman and themill : thank you for all you kind help |
| 14:20.55 | T-Guy | when will wheezy be released? :((( |
| 14:21.11 | korkman | deso: any machine with "squeeze" in it's sources.list will stay as-is and rot |
| 14:21.15 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 14:21.15 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
| 14:21.56 | korkman | deso: same concept for testing. |
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| 14:22.19 | JJCale | deso: if you remain in testing be prepared for a buch of broken ices in the 3 ou 4 weeks after wheezy release... |
| 14:22.21 | deso | korkman: thanks I get it now |
| 14:22.33 | JJCale | bunch |
| 14:22.40 | deso | JJCale: Why's that? Ices? |
| 14:22.41 | JJCale | (pices) |
| 14:22.46 | JJCale | pieces |
| 14:22.49 | JJCale | lol |
| 14:22.52 | RLa | when one sets up a server should local timezone be set to utc or some non-utc variant? |
| 14:23.22 | korkman | RLa: uhm ... whatever you want your users to see. |
| 14:23.51 | deso | JJCale: What makes you say that about testing? Do you mean because debian 8's stuff will all be thrust into testing? |
| 14:23.53 | RLa | hm, i guess utc is most universal then |
| 14:23.54 | korkman | RLa: if you serve multiple timezones, the application will offset any default anyways. |
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| 14:24.40 | T-Guy | JJCale, why do you laugh?! is this a place for fun?! if it is, then let me troll and make fun of you! |
| 14:24.47 | JJCale | broken ice has the piece that have sunken the Titanic lol |
| 14:24.57 | JJCale | broken ice was the piece that have sunken the Titanic lol |
| 14:25.18 | korkman | deso: right after wheezy leaves testing stage and becomes stable, all packages from unstable will slide in testing. |
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| 14:26.04 | deso | korkman: lol I remember that and hold off any upgrades for while xD |
| 14:26.11 | korkman | deso: so the better choice is to use the distro name "wheezy" instead of "testing" and explicitly upgrade the machine on demand |
| 14:26.40 | JJCale | korkman: good explanation |
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| 14:28.07 | karlpinc | rootant: I tried to install the new X from backports and found that a whole lot of dependencies were required. Just what's involved in installing X from backports? |
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| 14:29.07 | JJCale | korkman: another good choice is always staying with testing but not using a deskto environmet... |
| 14:29.33 | rootant | karlpinc: no idea, it should all be there |
| 14:29.34 | korkman | or stay on unstable and get all the fun bugs :-) |
| 14:29.53 | korkman | (and bugfixes soon after) |
| 14:30.21 | karlpinc | rootant: Did you use aptitude -t squeeze-backports? |
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| 14:30.35 | rootant | karlpinc: yes |
| 14:31.10 | karlpinc | korkman: Or using stable so you have security support and adding in packages in a supported way as needed. |
| 14:31.17 | karlpinc | !tell korkman about overview |
| 14:32.05 | JJCale | korkman: lol yeah But avoiding a desktop environmet is a good way of preventing conflicts and broken dependencies in the weaks after a release (for someone using testing) :) |
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| 14:33.42 | karlpinc | rootant: It was a while ago I tried it. I seem to recall that it wanted a whole lot of other stuff that was probably in backports but wasn't explicitly listed on the command line so wouldn't install. The box did have that meta-package that installs all the video drivers. Do you have all the drivers installed or just the one you need? |
| 14:34.21 | rootant | all of them |
| 14:34.29 | rootant | iirc |
| 14:34.56 | karlpinc | rootant: Ah well. I suppose I'll have to try it again when I've got someslack and just come back for help if necessary. |
| 14:35.55 | rootant | idk if i'll be able to help, i just got into debian more seriously few days ago and my primary os is gentoo. but if i'll be able to we might do some brainstorming :-) |
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| 14:43.11 | pzn | I need to discover a bad-byte in a big device (100Gb). how can I make a md5sum of every 1Mb of a device? I mean: I want md5sum of 0~0.999Mb, an md5sum of 1.000~1.999Mb and so on... |
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| 14:45.25 | korkman | pzn: i saw some perl script do that on stackexchange or serverfault |
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| 14:45.34 | dalias | pzn, you could use a for loop with dd |
| 14:46.01 | korkman | pzn: or what dalias says |
| 14:46.18 | dalias | dd bs=1048576 skip=$n count=1 | md5sum |
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| 14:48.06 | korkman | for i in $(seq 0 100000); do dd bs=1048576 skip=$n count=1 | md5sum; done |
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| 14:48.35 | korkman | yeah sounds like a plan |
| 14:48.49 | korkman | pzn |
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| 14:49.59 | korkman | er, insert if=/dev/sdX |
| 14:50.24 | korkman | for i in $(seq 0 100000); do dd if=/dev/... bs=1048576 skip=$n count=1 | md5sum; done |
| 14:51.04 | jordanm | korkman: {0..100000} # doesn't require a subprocess |
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| 14:51.17 | jelly | 1Mb is 125000B |
| 14:51.21 | jelly | hides |
| 14:52.08 | dalias | jordanm, the cost of a subprocess is dwarfed by the cost of the IO |
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| 14:52.26 | dalias | i'd much rather make the script so it runs without bash (which costs a lot more than a subprocess) |
| 14:52.40 | dalias | in any case you can write it with |
| 14:53.08 | dalias | i=0; while test $i -le 1000000 ; do ... ; i=$(($i+1)) ; done |
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| 14:53.19 | korkman | for i in {0..100000}; do dd if=/dev/... bs=4096 skip=$n count=256 | md5sum; done |
| 14:53.21 | dalias | and avoid both costs |
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| 14:53.39 | dalias | korkman, that doesn't work |
| 14:53.43 | dalias | skip is in units of bs |
| 14:53.49 | dalias | that's why i made the bs 1meg |
| 14:54.00 | korkman | ew yes |
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| 14:54.06 | dalias | if you want to use smaller bs and larger count, you need arithmetic in the skip argument |
| 14:54.15 | dalias | e.g. $(($n*256)) |
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| 14:54.25 | dalias | personally i'd just use bs=1meg |
| 14:55.18 | korkman | for n in {0..100000}; do dd if=/dev/... bs=1048576 skip=$n count=1 | md5sum; done; # version 1.1 fixed $n |
| 14:55.36 | _Sam-- | hi, can anyone give me the proper regex pattern that would include ANYTHING except if ANYTHING starts with a . having a hard time. |
| 14:55.58 | _Sam-- | so ANYTHING cannot start with a period that should have read |
| 14:56.06 | jordanm | dalias: couple more options with bash i=0; while (( i < 100000 )); do ...; ((i++)); done or for ((i=0; i < 100000; i++)); do ...; done |
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| 14:56.38 | jordanm | sallyx: grep -v '^\.' file |
| 14:56.42 | jordanm | _Sam--: ^ |
| 14:56.46 | dalias | jordanm, the whole point was to avoid bashisms |
| 14:56.56 | dalias | otherwise you can use the {0..1000000} thing |
| 14:57.09 | _Sam-- | i need a regex string to put into a python script, cant use bash commands |
| 14:57.11 | pzn | dalias, korkman tks! I got the idea. will do the dd for loop. |
| 14:57.27 | _Sam-- | er, shell commands, not bash commands. |
| 14:57.28 | _Sam-- | sorry. |
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| 14:57.55 | jordanm | _Sam--: do you mean words that start "." or lines? what is your sample imput and expected output? |
| 14:58.04 | jordanm | really, this is off-topic here |
| 14:58.29 | _Sam-- | it is, but i figured i'd check before hitting ##Linux. was here anyway. |
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| 14:59.00 | jordanm | _Sam--: #regex and #python, either way, your description of the problem is not clear enough to provide an answer |
| 14:59.04 | karlpinc | pzn: How about using the badblocks program instead and just testing the disk? |
| 14:59.13 | karlpinc | pzn: (or smartmontools) |
| 14:59.33 | _Sam-- | it is pretty clear. i need a regex string that would match all files, except if those files begin with a period. |
| 14:59.59 | jordanm | _Sam--: so what you really want is a file glob |
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| 15:01.43 | jordanm | _Sam--: if not foo.startswith('.') | if re.match(r"^[^.]", foo) |
| 15:01.47 | jordanm | _Sam--: regex is overkill |
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| 15:02.02 | cryptic | hey, approximately how much disk space should I allocate to the root and home partitions of a xen server on which I intend to run windows7 as a guest os? |
| 15:02.04 | _Sam-- | you dont get it...take a look at this pastebin, you'll understand more... |
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| 15:02.16 | pzn | karlpinc, I have to compare a real disk with a backup image... |
| 15:02.25 | cryptic | I'm also considering using lvm, but am not sure if it's worth it |
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| 15:02.41 | _Sam-- | http://pastebin.com/RWK1prTR i need to change the "pattern" option to be any files that dont start with a period. |
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| 15:03.17 | jordanm | _Sam--: that's XML, and its not even python regex in the XML |
| 15:03.31 | _Sam-- | its an xml config file for a python script. |
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| 15:04.53 | jordanm | _Sam--: that regex shouldn't catch filenames starting with a ".". "." is not in [a-zA-Z\-_ ] |
| 15:06.24 | _Sam-- | thank you for looking at it. i didnt think it would either, but was not positive. |
| 15:06.34 | _Sam-- | and thank you for your patience and help, sincerely appreciated. |
| 15:06.54 | intore | hi, i can't login from a client using gdm to the mounted home directory from a samba server. the error is "could not update iceauthority file". this morning i spoke about it and the problem is about the permission but i don't how must be set these permission. could you follow me please in this operation? |
| 15:07.02 | jordanm | _Sam--: anytime |
| 15:07.45 | _Sam-- | thanks again -- works perfectly actually. |
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| 15:08.11 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:08.26 | jordanm | intore: I don't think unix permissions apply to samba shares. use NFS |
| 15:08.30 | eptalon | Are there any known issues running eclipse with the OpenJDK? |
| 15:08.46 | jordanm | eptalon: #eclipse |
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| 15:09.16 | _Sam-- | unix perms do apply to samba shares. |
| 15:09.20 | _Sam-- | you set the default umask in smb.conf |
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| 15:09.28 | eptalon | jordanm: I am on a debian system, and get an error when starting eclipse |
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| 15:09.42 | jordanm | ,versions eclipse |
| 15:09.44 | eptalon | but I'll ask in #eclipse |
| 15:09.44 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.2-1; wheezy: 3.7.2-1 |
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| 15:09.49 | valdyn | intore: samba shares are not suitable for home directories |
| 15:09.52 | jordanm | eptalon: using the debian package? |
| 15:10.02 | eptalon | jordanm: yes |
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| 15:10.20 | eptalon | everything is debian package, openjdk too |
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| 15:11.12 | valdyn | eptalon: your question is not useful with software since the answer to "is there any software without issues" has to be "no" |
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| 15:12.05 | intore | jordanm, valdyn. what does it mean? the problems are the permissions on homedir? |
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| 15:12.39 | valdyn | intore: the problem for this specific issue can be whatever. The major problem is that samba shares cant support unix permissions |
| 15:12.41 | jordanm | eptalon: pastebin the relevant errors |
| 15:12.54 | valdyn | intore: so as i said samba shares dont work for home diretories |
| 15:13.26 | aPpYe | is it possible to monitor changes to dconf in a way that is similar to inotify? I have been using inotify to monitor changes to gtkfilechooser.ini (ShowHidden=true) for a long time, but now the setting is in dconf ... |
| 15:14.02 | _Sam-- | valdyn : couldnt he make the smb share guest ok =yes guest account = his_account ? |
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| 15:14.38 | valdyn | _Sam--: best case things that are expected to work fail silently |
| 15:15.02 | intore | valdyn, i installed smbldap-tools and in smbldap.conf is possible to set userHomeDirectoryMode for unix accounts, could be ok? |
| 15:15.04 | _Sam-- | the only other answer would be to chmod 777 his entire directory? |
| 15:15.39 | valdyn | _Sam--: i dont actually know how *exactly* ssh would react to that, but that breaks security |
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| 15:16.31 | valdyn | intore: which part of what i said is hard to understand? |
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| 15:18.18 | jordanm | SSH will refuse to use keys/files with insecure permissions |
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| 15:19.40 | eptalon | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/M8AkNz4E |
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| 15:19.47 | intore | valdyn, i understood what you said. i ask you. why in smbldap.conf is possible to set the userHomeDirectoryMode if samba shares can't support unix permissions? |
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| 15:20.39 | valdyn | intore: thats about home directories for *windows* |
| 15:20.45 | valdyn | intore: thats about home directories for *windows* clients |
| 15:20.59 | _Sam-- | jordanm : its an easy fix, chmod -R 777 then fix .ssh |
| 15:21.05 | ogolovanov | I have hardware raid 10 with 6 SAS 10k rpm hard drives. Sysbench with 8 threads, 1 big file ( 2x RAM ) and 8k blocks shows 260 random reads per second. I think its too low, no? Thanks |
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| 15:21.08 | _Sam-- | either way. its not ideal. |
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| 15:21.15 | ogolovanov | Or where it's better to ask questions like that ? |
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| 15:21.43 | valdyn | intore: they are stored in a proper unix filesystem and share *to* windows clients |
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| 15:21.57 | eptalon | ogolovanov: #hardware? |
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| 15:22.31 | eptalon | ogolovanov: esp. since its a hw raid; so it boils down to performance of raid chip, controller, and hdd. |
| 15:22.31 | intore | valdyn, true? are you sure? |
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| 15:23.37 | docgnome | i have a bridged network interface i have to add for use with my lxc's and i have to add it every single time i start the computer. by hand. like a barbarian. any ideas how to get it to happen automatically? the right way i mean |
| 15:24.08 | eptalon | docgnome: use an init script. |
| 15:24.10 | valdyn | intore: no, im reading up on it, but other than that im sure |
| 15:24.34 | docgnome | eptalon: really? i figured there was some way i could put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:24.47 | jordanm | docgnome: you can use pre-up and post-up in interfaces |
| 15:25.00 | valdyn | intore: you can store unix accounts in smbldap and let unix users authenticate to smbldap, but you cannot use samba shares as homes |
| 15:25.01 | intore | valdyn, if is it true i've to destroy and rebuild everything!!!! |
| 15:25.43 | docgnome | jordanm: ah. I have a post-up already. why didn't i think of that. any idea if i'll be able to use brctrl in there? |
| 15:25.49 | jelly | ogolovanov: rule of thumb: 10k rpm might give 100-150 iops each (15k rpm ~200ish if you're lucky), times three because you're effectively using 3 disks, = 300-450 |
| 15:25.59 | jordanm | docgnome: shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:26.28 | docgnome | k thanks! |
| 15:26.41 | jordanm | jelly: but wouldn't the iops be reduced for random reads? |
| 15:26.47 | valdyn | intore: so userHomeDirectoryMode is used when you smbldap-adduser, but that still does not fix that samba shares are not suitable as homes |
| 15:27.17 | jelly | jordanm: that _is_ for random reads, the worst option |
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| 15:27.28 | valdyn | intore: i dont see where you have to rebuild alot, you just need to share the homes via nfs instead or additionally |
| 15:27.56 | intore | valdyn, but nfs doesn't work with ldap |
| 15:28.59 | jordanm | intore: yes, it does |
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| 15:30.03 | valdyn | intore: this is all a pluggable and stackable architecture, you can use almost anything with almost anything |
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| 15:34.13 | intore | valdyn, very bad. it's a long time i work on ldap and samba. i never used nfs. |
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| 15:35.03 | g0to | hello |
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| 15:36.13 | g0to | I'm trying to install a fresh squeeze in my box with no luck by now |
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| 15:36.34 | g0to | I'm getting a "bad archive error" message in the "Select a mirror" step |
| 15:37.01 | korkman | g0to: sounds like network isn't properly set up |
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| 15:37.40 | g0to | and I can read from Virtual console 4 that "mirror does not support the specified release" (I've tried with ftp.debian.org) |
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| 15:37.48 | Mythix | Hello ! I have a problem with the package mumble-server, anyone is able to help me ? The deamon mumble-server don't start at the reboot of the serveur but the problem is that I have do dpkg-reconfigure and say yes for start automatically deamon at the reboot but it's not works :( |
| 15:37.52 | Mythix | anyone can help me? |
| 15:38.38 | g0to | korkman, during the network configuration step, my router's DHCP did the magic and nothing seemed to go wrong |
| 15:38.47 | grawity | How do I build a newer version of a package? As in, Debian has sssd 1.8.1 and I want to make a .deb for 1.8.3... |
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| 15:39.58 | korkman | g0to: mirror does not support release sounds like it visited the server but files were not in place. really weird like a proxy in between or maybe a page enforced by the provider. |
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| 15:40.12 | korkman | g0to: try a different mirror |
| 15:41.00 | g0to | I have tried like 5 of them (USA, France, Spain, Switzerland...) |
| 15:41.01 | ogolovanov | jelly: thanks! I supposed, that 10k rpm drive has to do (10k / 60) = 166 iops. But anyway, it should be more than 260 for my raid. |
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| 15:41.10 | korkman | g0to: if that has the same problem, there's something tampering the network |
| 15:41.38 | korkman | g0to: you can install without mirror and figure that out later if you have 1st CD image |
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| 15:42.15 | g0to | korkman, I'm chatting from another GNU/linux box in the same network right now and I can reach all those servers both by http and ftp protocols with no issues |
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| 15:43.25 | korkman | g0to: is your router perhaps configured to only allow specific ips to the internet? something like guest mode for new ips? |
| 15:43.29 | g0to | korkman, offline installation is an option, yes |
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| 15:44.44 | korkman | ogolovanov: your raid should deliver much more iops with 8 threads you're absolutely right. |
| 15:44.50 | g0to | korkman, I just revised the most element configuration and router seems to be fine (DHCP ok, DNS server ok...) |
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| 15:45.13 | korkman | ogolovanov: the sysbench, what's the filesystem it works on? |
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| 15:45.28 | ogolovanov | korkman: lvm + ext4 |
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| 15:46.20 | g0to | korkman, a bothering thing is that I can't use ping or most of the network tools I know from the console. I suppose they are not installed yet |
| 15:46.46 | korkman | ogolovanov: did you prepare before run? possibly the files from sysbench are sparse, du should give a clue about that |
| 15:47.08 | korkman | ogolovanov: instead of read test, try a write test. |
| 15:47.55 | korkman | g0to: yes. i never spent much time in the installer shell. |
| 15:48.00 | infernix | anyone aware of a simple to find the device node min:maj to a device in /dev, apart from some magic with ls and awk? |
| 15:49.04 | jelly | ogolovanov: eh, there are lots of variables that can affect the results |
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| 15:50.16 | jelly | ogolovanov, korkman: a battery backed write cache + decent reordering of writes to disk ought to make the writes look much better |
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| 15:51.24 | korkman | jelly: yes but at least there's no pagecache in between. running sysbench for 30 seconds or so will write through the bbwc. |
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| 15:52.49 | jelly | pagecache is mitigated by his "twice the size of RAM" file |
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| 15:53.34 | jelly | and he hopefully nukes the cache before running |
| 15:54.11 | korkman | jelly: random read is randomly reading cached bytes :-) |
| 15:55.04 | korkman | ogolovanov: can you post your sysbench line? |
| 15:55.19 | korkman | ogolovanov: there's maybe multiple bugs in there :-) |
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| 15:57.47 | meadhikari | How would I do something like redirect a url to the local copy in my hard disk rather than from the web |
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| 16:03.15 | korkman | meadhikari: by using a proxy usually. |
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| 16:03.46 | korkman | meadhikari: squid for example. |
| 16:04.20 | korkman | meadhikari: or if you want to redirect a whole domain, you can use the /etc/hosts file for that (restart browser to take effect) |
| 16:04.23 | meadhikari | korkman, cant I hard code that info somewhere in my system, so when i visit example.com it redirects to file:///home/example.html |
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| 16:04.41 | meadhikari | korkman, thanks looking on it :) |
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| 16:05.01 | fsdfs | korkman, i try setup squid and not seen module in webmin, i also try install sarg, but it does no effect, can help? |
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| 16:05.43 | korkman | meadhikari: you will need a webserver running, too. browser will try http first. |
| 16:06.08 | cryptic | does anyone know why my system hangs during boot after this message? "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 5.543820] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting" |
| 16:06.12 | meadhikari | korkman, i have apache running, it would work right |
| 16:06.34 | korkman | fsdfs: i'm not running much squid. i configured it with the config file by hand. |
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| 16:07.08 | korkman | meadhikari: then edit /etc/hosts to make example.com point to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:07.41 | korkman | meadhikari: for development purposes, that'd be enough |
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| 16:08.03 | meadhikari | korkman, working on it thanks for your time |
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| 16:08.16 | fsdfs | korkman, i have 2 stuppid soworkers who needs in webmin :| |
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| 16:09.20 | jelly | !spank korkman |
| 16:09.20 | dpkg | bends korkman over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:09.36 | korkman | fsdfs: i have no solution for stupid coworkers. i usually keep them away from squid. |
| 16:09.49 | korkman | dpkg is a she? |
| 16:09.50 | dpkg | korkman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:09.58 | intore | valdyn, please take a look of this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#CIFS_remote_ownership_enforcement |
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| 16:10.10 | korkman | now everything makes sense |
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| 16:11.12 | fsdfs | korkman, :D you're not far from going away on holidays |
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| 16:11.42 | fsdfs | korkman, who can to help users? |
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| 16:12.28 | korkman | fsdfs: well really there's some pieces in infrastructure with a big fat warning label "do not let noob configure" |
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| 16:12.47 | korkman | think squid regular expressions |
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| 16:14.34 | fsdfs | korkman, I usually tune everything so that everything works for a long time, but as an emergency exit is necessary to help by phone |
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| 16:15.03 | korkman | fsdfs, i help by phone via shell :-) |
| 16:15.18 | korkman | anything i can call, i can ssh into, too |
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| 16:15.40 | korkman | humans interact only with me to change a bad hard drive |
| 16:16.03 | fsdfs | korkman, from village too? |
| 16:16.11 | korkman | i live in a village |
| 16:16.11 | kesroesweyth | korkman minimal human interaction? want to trade jobs? |
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| 16:16.45 | korkman | heh unfortunately, no, they keep asking for dumb stuff like getting a printer to work on ubuntu 8.04 |
| 16:17.04 | fsdfs | korkman, you are definitely not from russia :D |
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| 16:17.25 | korkman | how bad can it be ... 14400 baud :-p |
| 16:17.32 | kesroesweyth | korkman i've been trying to eliminate as much human interaction as possible without making my job redundant |
| 16:17.34 | fsdfs | 8)) |
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| 16:17.45 | meadhikari | korkman, i need a little help, i made http://localhost/docs.python.org/ working now what should i be writing in /etc/hosts file so that whenever I visit docs.python.org i get redirected, thanks for your time |
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| 16:18.21 | korkman | (then again, i'm not too afraid of human interactions, why else would i be here?) |
| 16:18.40 | karlpinc | korkman, kesroesweyth : Best to take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:19.01 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc ah, whoops. thought I was there. sorry :) |
| 16:19.28 | korkman | meadhikari: docs.python.org 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:19.57 | kesroesweyth | korkman IP doesn't go first? |
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| 16:20.32 | korkman | whoops meadhikari: swap ip / domain |
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| 16:20.54 | kesroesweyth | meadhikari where did you want to be redirected to? |
| 16:21.01 | kesroesweyth | and why only you? |
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| 16:21.27 | meadhikari | to the local copy of my docs.python.org download |
| 16:21.49 | kesroesweyth | meadhikari ah, yep, follow korkman's advice |
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| 16:32.18 | T-Guy | what is the best replacement for Photoshop in Debian?! |
| 16:32.28 | korkman | T-Guy: GIMP |
| 16:32.34 | T-Guy | GIMP sucks :( |
| 16:32.45 | korkman | no it doesn't. |
| 16:32.56 | fsdfs | gimp rule |
| 16:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | T-Guy: Perhaps your knowledge of it sucks. |
| 16:33.15 | T-Guy | tried lots of times |
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| 16:33.21 | T-Guy | but had to do photoshop at last |
| 16:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | It isn't a 1:1 replacement. |
| 16:33.37 | T-Guy | never been successful editing photos with it :( |
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| 16:34.09 | fsdfs | maybe #windos? |
| 16:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | I've done lots with it - then again, I worked on the development of picture shop. |
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| 16:35.24 | T-Guy | if I do `sudo apt-get remove vuze` will all files including the ~/.azureus directory be removed? |
| 16:35.42 | T-Guy | or I have to use --purge or something? |
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| 16:36.22 | fsdfs | purge purge, files in program files will be removed? |
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| 16:36.46 | korkman | T-Guy: "aptitude purge vuze" will remove vuze and it's global config, but not the one in your home dir. |
| 16:36.54 | themill | T-Guy: package management is never going to remove files from your home directory. |
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| 16:38.18 | T-Guy | korkman, what global config files are usually written?! |
| 16:38.18 | T-Guy | *what=>where |
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| 16:39.04 | korkman | T-Guy: /etc |
| 16:39.18 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:39.44 | korkman | T-Guy: basically, package manager will delete all files that came with the package, and not delete directories that are unexpectedly non-empty |
| 16:40.13 | T-Guy | ok,tnx |
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| 16:48.26 | T-Guy | suppose I added a torrent with 1000 files to my bittorrent client and chosen 100 of them to be downloaded. the client creates 1000 empty files and starts downloading and completing them. but after the 100 files I have chosen been downloaded. how can I remove all 900 files which I have not chosen without having to selecting them one by one? |
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| 16:52.30 | Sean-Der | Whats the correct way to set Xterm to have a darkbackground and white text, but not kill my VIM color scheme |
| 16:53.25 | Sean-Der | Every colorscheme I setup is off and it changes my ncmpccp text color. Any ideas? |
| 16:53.56 | T-Guy | I want to know it this way? where is the X configuration file?! |
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| 16:54.40 | T-Guy | I think I knew the answer to that some time :( but I have forgotten :( |
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| 16:55.09 | babilen | !tell T-Guy about xorg.conf |
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| 16:56.18 | T-Guy | suppose I added a torrent with 1000 files to my bittorrent client and chosen 100 of them to be downloaded. the client creates 1000 empty files and starts downloading and completing them. but after the 100 files I have chosen been downloaded. how can I remove all 900 files which I have not chosen without having to selecting them one by one? |
| 16:56.39 | hotwings | anyone using grub2 that isnt setting the default kernel to load in the config files, can you please show me what your `grep "^GRUB_DEFAULT=" /etc/default/grub` returns? i need to know the default value but i changed mine to saved a long time ago |
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| 16:57.32 | Sean-Der | find /tmp -size 0 -print0 |xargs -0 rm |
| 16:57.38 | Sean-Der | T-Guy, find /tmp -size 0 -print0 |xargs -0 rm |
| 16:58.04 | Sean-Der | find lets you look for all files of a certain size |
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| 16:59.22 | Sean-Der | Maybe I should just switch from Xterm :/ I can't believe nobody has had this issue before |
| 16:59.42 | T-Guy | the problem is they don't remain 0bytes. parts of them get downloaded. maybe we can find some of them by checking if they have headers?! is there a way? |
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| 17:00.44 | Sean-Der | T-Guy, they are probably binary files so might not be an answer. Hmm can you go off extensions at all? Any patterns you can think of? |
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| 17:01.24 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:01.50 | T-Guy | hi n-iCe , how's your mother? |
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| 17:05.31 | jameslord | what is the command to extract the url from this string? |
| 17:05.36 | jameslord | http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=62 |
| 17:05.37 | Aziroshin | T-Guy: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 17:07.35 | jameslord | Sean-Der you may extract that url using awk, i don't know the command :( |
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| 17:08.44 | Sean-Der | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1881237/easiest-way-to-extract-the-urls-from-an-html-page-using-sed-or-awk-only |
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| 17:09.00 | Sean-Der | jameslord, its really easy in Python though (isn't everything ) |
| 17:09.02 | Sean-Der | :D |
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| 17:11.32 | jameslord | Sean-Der but i have to use awk:( |
| 17:11.39 | kesroesweyth | jameslord does it only have to work with that very string? |
| 17:12.26 | jameslord | yes |
| 17:12.36 | jameslord | that url may change |
| 17:12.41 | kesroesweyth | pipe it into awk -F '"' '{ print $3 }' |
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| 17:27.10 | jameslord | how to return a string in shell function? |
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| 17:28.17 | kesroesweyth | jameslord be more specific? |
| 17:28.56 | GNU\colossus | jameslord, you cannot "return" non-integer values, and only non-negative ones at that. |
| 17:29.07 | GNU\colossus | you can only print something as a function's side effect |
| 17:29.43 | jameslord | return: line 13: Illegal number: |
| 17:30.05 | jameslord | i want to return url string in that function, but failed:( |
| 17:30.29 | jameslord | GNU\colossus how to return string values? |
| 17:30.41 | GNU\colossus | you CANNOT return string values. |
| 17:31.25 | GNU\colossus | http://paste.debian.net/169295/ - maybe that's enough for your purposes |
| 17:31.35 | GNU\colossus | note that you can also set the variable in the shell functions scope |
| 17:31.41 | GNU\colossus | it will still be global to the script/shell |
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| 17:32.46 | GNU\colossus | http://paste.debian.net/169297/ |
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| 17:36.50 | superlinux-hp | what is exactly the meaning of (=) in `chmod u=w file`? |
| 17:37.07 | jameslord | GNU\colossus nice, but if there are lots of such variables in the shell script, it will make me confused:( |
| 17:37.24 | jameslord | kesroesweyth dude, then how to extract a filename from url? |
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| 17:37.56 | kesroesweyth | jameslord that particular url? |
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| 17:41.11 | jameslord | kesroesweyth that url is not specific, this url have pattern such as http://xxxx/xxxx/xx/xxx/wfqwfwe/filename.suffix |
| 17:41.25 | kesroesweyth | Not sure. Maybe with basename |
| 17:41.59 | kesroesweyth | basename $URL |
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| 17:42.25 | kesroesweyth | May only work if the filename is at the very end of the URL. |
| 17:44.03 | jameslord | kesroesweyth wow, nice, how did you know there is a command named basename on my system:) |
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| 17:44.38 | kesroesweyth | Lucky guess. :P |
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| 17:45.47 | Diopter | jameslord: It's part of "coreutils", which are kind of standardlike. |
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| 17:50.29 | martianlobster | is there a command I can run that will tell me which cpu's share which cache's? |
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| 17:51.07 | khem_ | http://bpaste.net/show/pF2K76EyDLUpvoyllyvy/ - can anyone see why my network won't work after applying these network aliases to my interfaces configuration file? |
| 17:51.15 | Diopter | martianlobster: Do you mean cores, or actual CPUs? |
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| 17:51.49 | Diopter | khem_: Elaborate on "my network won't work" |
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| 17:52.00 | martianlobster | Dipoter, I mean cores |
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| 17:57.46 | ptrkmj | i just installed debian base system and noticed that regular user doesn't have superusers dirs (/sbin, /usr/sbin) in its PATH. is it meant to be this way? |
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| 18:00.09 | craigevil | yes |
| 18:00.24 | craigevil | normally all user will have is> usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games: |
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| 18:00.41 | ptrkmj | but this user is sudo'er |
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| 18:01.32 | ptrkmj | shouldn't sudoer have su dirs in its PATH? |
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| 18:03.10 | jelly-home | ptrkmj: nope |
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| 18:03.46 | ptrkmj | jelly-home: but this is debian specific, isn't it? :) |
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| 18:04.21 | ptrkmj | personally, i find it unwieldy |
| 18:04.34 | jmvidalvia | Hi, just upgraded my debian: mutt is not attaching files anymore. echo "test" | mutt -s subject -a /path/file me@mydomain.net |
| 18:04.49 | craigevil | ptrkmj, personally I find sudo evil |
| 18:04.50 | jmvidalvia | message I get: Can't stat me@mydomain.net: file doesn't exist |
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| 18:05.08 | jmvidalvia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.09 | jelly-home | jmvidalvia: the syntax for -a has changed |
| 18:05.20 | jmvidalvia | or from mutt directly |
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| 18:05.51 | arkadio | I cant install MATE using Synaptic: "mate depends on n things but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 18:06.40 | Sidney__ | Arkadio are you installing mate on debian |
| 18:06.40 | jelly-home | jmvidalvia: you will find that every parameter after -a is now considered an attachment; one of the ways to end -a foo bar baz is to put a -- before the recipients |
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| 18:07.06 | jelly-home | jmvidalvia: this makes it somewhat simpler to attach multiple files |
| 18:07.29 | arkadio | Sidney__ yes |
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| 18:08.49 | Sidney__ | I've never seen Mate wanted to try Mint in Virtualbox but it didnt work |
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| 18:09.15 | craigevil | arkadio, are you running Wheezy or sid, it probably won't install on stable/squeeze |
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| 18:10.19 | arkadio | craigevil Im running squeeze |
| 18:10.33 | ptrkmj | guys but this makes no sense! consider `runlevel' command. it's located in /sbin but does NOT require root priviledges. so why PATH of non-root user shouldn't have /sbin etc. ? |
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| 18:10.46 | jmvidalvia | jelly-home: yes, that's smarter. Athough it makes me change a couple of dozens of scripts... ;) |
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| 18:10.56 | jmvidalvia | jelly-home: thank you very much |
| 18:11.40 | ptrkmj | craigevil: you don't use sudo at all? but you don't log in as root either, do yo? |
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| 18:13.00 | craigevil | ptrkmj, why would i need to use either, i use su, and only the rare occassion i need to run a GUI app as root I use kdesu |
| 18:13.09 | craigevil | only=on |
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| 18:14.01 | ptrkmj | kdesu something like gksu but for KDE? |
| 18:14.02 | kesroesweyth | craigevil sudo may lead to fewer mistakes? |
| 18:14.14 | craigevil | ptrkmj, right |
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| 18:14.51 | Diopter | ptrkmj: First of all, /sbin serves a very specific purpose (cf. the Linux FHS), which helps dictate behavior of paths wrt. regular users. Secondly, "runlevel" only reads a file and returns info from it. It doesn't 'do' anything. |
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| 18:15.16 | Diopter | ptrkmj: I suggest you "man hier" and/or google "FHS" |
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| 18:17.19 | ptrkmj | Diopter: I know FHS and i know what runlevel command does. i just don't understand why su dirs aren't in regular user's PATH cause some of binaries do not need root privilidges to run (vide runlelevel) and they are useful to non-root user. |
| 18:18.19 | ptrkmj | Diopter: what are paths wrt? |
| 18:18.49 | Sidney__ | kesroesweyth, If that is the case why doesn't Debian use sudo |
| 18:18.56 | jelly-home | ptrkmj: that's mostly due to hysterical raisins. But we moved ping to /bin, others may follow any year now |
| 18:19.11 | kesroesweyth | Sidney__ debian users are smarter ;) |
| 18:19.39 | Sidney__ | kesroesweyth, not all of us |
| 18:20.13 | craigevil | !tell ptrkmj about sudo path |
| 18:20.28 | Sidney__ | I've been spoiled by those other guys |
| 18:20.31 | kesroesweyth | Sidney__ I don't use sudo on any of my debian servers, but I don't make the argument that using it is a bad idea. |
| 18:20.51 | kesroesweyth | I just like living on the edge, logging in as root even when I don't need to. |
| 18:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | ptrkmj: Most of the user usable sbin commands are really administrative commands, and in a hierarchical environment where you have a majority of non-admin users it makes sense to keep them out of the way. |
| 18:21.41 | jhutchins_lt | ptrkmj: In a single-user environment it doesn't make as much difference. |
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| 18:22.17 | Sidney__ | kesroesweyth, answer me this what is the program called that handles screen resolution in Debian |
| 18:22.21 | jhutchins_lt | Linux is still based on the concept of a large multi-user environment. |
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| 18:22.30 | karlpinc | Sidney__: One bad thing about sudo is if you crack the user account you automaticlly get root too. |
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| 18:22.38 | cryptic | Ugh, I'm having the worst day ever. for whatever reason, debian isn't detecting my usb key during installation--this problem has never occurred in the past. I don't have a cd-rom drive, but instead boot from a usb key. it boots fine, but the installation is complaining about the lack of a cd-rom drive |
| 18:22.43 | scientes | karlpinc, not neccicarily |
| 18:22.47 | kesroesweyth | Sidney__ is this a quiz? |
| 18:22.50 | scientes | karlpinc, you still need the user's password |
| 18:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It depends on how sudo is set up. |
| 18:23.12 | scientes | karlpinc, and if someone is bruteforcing they KNOW that you have a root account |
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| 18:23.14 | khem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It need not allow full root privileges. We have an environment where the only privilege is to become a certain other user. |
| 18:23.21 | scientes | (well i've seened it called "admin" but that is rare) |
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| 18:23.30 | Sidney__ | kesroesweyth, I need to know the terms to ask a proper question |
| 18:23.34 | khem_ | Diopter: i cannot access the machine remotely |
| 18:23.44 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: From lurking on linux-hotplug and listening to the udev people I get the impression that /sbin is going away. Could be wrong. |
| 18:23.47 | kesroesweyth | Sidney__ no idea, what's the problem? |
| 18:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I've seen systems where the root account has been renamed. |
| 18:23.58 | karlpinc | toor |
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| 18:24.17 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc that's the default pass in bt4 :) |
| 18:24.29 | kesroesweyth | root pass, that is |
| 18:24.29 | ptrkmj | jhutchins_lt: i'm in single user environment: just me and my pc :) |
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| 18:25.13 | jhutchins_lt | ptrkmj: One of the nice things about linux is you can learn it in that environment, then move on to administering public servers and not have to completely re-learn. |
| 18:25.42 | craigevil | ptrkmj, if you look at /etc/sudoers should have> Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin") |
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| 18:26.15 | ptrkmj | jhutchins_lt: that's true |
| 18:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | I'm glad that none of the major branches has gone very far down that single-user path so that they are still consistent across desktop and server environments, and the server model will scale. |
| 18:27.38 | jhutchins_lt | One of the problems that Mandriva has had is that they focus so singly on the desktop version that they do new releases where no-one has even tested server packages like dovecot to make sure that they actually install and run. |
| 18:27.58 | FaCeBooK` | /server jupiter.mega-chat.org /server jupiter.mega-chat.org /server jupiter.mega-chat.org /server jupiter.mega-chat.org /server jupiter.mega-chat.org /server jupiter.mega-chat.org By DaNNy |
| 18:28.48 | ptrkmj | craigevil: my /etc/sudoers doesn't have such line (i'm running squeeze, atm only base system) |
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| 18:29.24 | craigevil | ah according to the dpkg factoid its a wheezy/sid thing |
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| 18:30.40 | ptrkmj | craigevil: in squeeze sudo does include /sbin in its PATH |
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| 18:31.03 | ptrkmj | su dirs are only missing when not using sudo |
| 18:31.08 | jhutchins_lt | Debian's also dumbed down the su command so it gets root's environment even if you don't use - |
| 18:31.37 | Sidney__ | kesroesweyth, http://paste.debian.net/169311/ |
| 18:31.49 | jhutchins_lt | ptrkmj: You can always tweak your own path. |
| 18:32.16 | ptrkmj | so it is okay to add /sbin to my path in single-user environment |
| 18:32.32 | ptrkmj | how do i do that (permanently)? |
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| 18:32.48 | scientes | jhutchins, really? woah |
| 18:32.54 | scientes | (re: su) |
| 18:32.59 | kesroesweyth | Sidney__ I don't know much about linux GUIs and video hardware support, but it sounds like you have the right idea. |
| 18:33.06 | scientes | i always tell people to use sudo -i so they dont fsck things up |
| 18:33.19 | n-iCe | !kernel |
| 18:33.21 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.4-rc7 , stable 3.3: 3.3.6 , stable 3.2: 3.2.17 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 (EOL), stable 3.0: 3.0.31 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.11 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120517 |
| 18:33.23 | scientes | cause the newbs always use sudo bash |
| 18:33.35 | n-iCe | any tutorial with the easiest way to upgrade kernel? |
| 18:33.43 | scientes | !backports |
| 18:33.43 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:33.55 | scientes | n-iCe, apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image |
| 18:33.59 | scientes | then reboot |
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| 18:34.15 | n-iCe | just that package?!!? |
| 18:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | scientes: Yeah, and it's dangerous, because there are systems out there where that's a bad habit to learn. |
| 18:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | admits to using vim instead of vi |
| 18:34.59 | scientes | jhutchins, sudo bash or sudo -i? |
| 18:35.06 | n-iCe | scientes, just that package? |
| 18:35.06 | scientes | learned that ancient sudo doesn't have -i |
| 18:35.08 | The_Eccentric | vi ftw |
| 18:35.10 | rorx | what exactly do the Debian patch version numbers represent, when there is a kernel update? |
| 18:35.11 | scientes | n-iCe, yes |
| 18:35.18 | jhutchins_lt | su - |
| 18:35.23 | jhutchins_lt | without the - |
| 18:35.44 | scientes | n-iCe, you might need linux-headers if you have out-of-tree modules |
| 18:35.56 | jhutchins_lt | The useful thing about sudo is that it logs whoever uses it more overtly than su. |
| 18:36.11 | n-iCe | is it safe to use gnome3? what do people think about it? |
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| 18:37.16 | scientes | n-iCe, you need 3d drivers, and it tends to leek memory, otherwise its pretty awesome |
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| 18:38.24 | jhutchins_lt | How long is the ride? |
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| 18:40.37 | Caelum | is there a fuse driver for dropbox? |
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| 18:42.23 | n-iCe | scientes: you use it? |
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| 18:43.29 | scientes | n-iCe, until my graphic driver broke for this particular card, yes |
| 18:43.58 | n-iCe | and what do you use now? |
| 18:44.09 | cryptic | i'm going to lose my mind |
| 18:44.12 | scientes | n-iCe, just install and find out |
| 18:44.28 | scientes | it doesn't matter what others think, its what works for you |
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| 18:52.47 | cryptic | this is ridiculous |
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| 18:57.56 | n-iCe | 's back |
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| 19:02.37 | Caelum | oh dropbox has a .deb that works just like dropbox for windows/mac, great |
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| 19:08.36 | Sidney__ | I can't change the resolution do I need to install the default settings manager or uninstall the one from nvidia |
| 19:09.33 | craigevil | Sidney__, if you installed using the nvidia way first thing you need to do is remove it and install nvidia driver the proper Debian way |
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| 19:12.13 | Sidney__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.15 | craigevil | have you tried using xrandr |
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| 19:14.27 | Sidney__ | yes |
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| 19:15.46 | Sidney__ | craigevil, http://paste.debian.net/169317/ |
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| 19:18.08 | craigevil | try running nvidia-xconfig, or nvidia-settings , if neither one work you need to manually add a modline to your xorg.conf |
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| 19:23.33 | Sidney__ | hotepankh |
| 19:24.41 | trysten | hello #debian! |
| 19:26.02 | canurabus | hello... I just tried installing squeeze on an older machine and for the most part, everything went great. After booting for the first time though, graphics are corrupted. The system has an Nvidia GeForce 6600GT, which I think should be supported. I can drop to a virtual console and back to X without any problems... any suggestions? |
| 19:27.17 | ptrkmj | isn't package `less' part of a `standard' task? i used debian netinst iso for install. after base system install i selected standard task for installation but there is no less on my system (only `more', lol). |
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| 19:28.30 | craigevil | !tell canurabus about nvidia-dkms |
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| 19:30.00 | Sidney__ | craigevil, nvidia-xconfig did nothing and nvidia-settings just opened it but it so large it's useless |
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| 19:30.31 | ompaul | Sidney__: testing or squeeze? |
| 19:30.35 | trysten | DammitJim: damnit bobby |
| 19:30.40 | Sidney__ | squeeze |
| 19:30.47 | trysten | DammitJim: is it jail borked? |
| 19:30.51 | DammitJim | where is bobby? Dammit, I missed it |
| 19:30.57 | DammitJim | no, it's regular |
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| 19:31.07 | DammitJim | I know I have been able to transfer mp3s from an iPod |
| 19:31.14 | DammitJim | but I don't know if it is any different with an iPhone |
| 19:31.37 | trysten | DammitJim: that iInterface should work teh same way. you'll need some kind of iTunes equivilent/replacement |
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| 19:32.05 | ompaul | !tell DammitJim about ipod |
| 19:32.06 | DammitJim | what do you mean by iTunes equivalent/replacement? |
| 19:32.33 | DammitJim | yeah, I used gtkpod |
| 19:32.34 | ompaul | DammitJim: have a look at the message from the bot things in <> can be gotten by doing /msg dpkg the word inside the braces |
| 19:32.39 | trysten | DammitJim: well the iDevices are desinged to work only with iTunes, right. so you'll need to emulate that. gtkpod works fine |
| 19:32.40 | DammitJim | but I don't know if that will work with an iPhone |
| 19:32.51 | trysten | DammitJim: try it -.- |
| 19:32.53 | canurabus | craigevil, is a bot supposed to gimme a related link or something? |
| 19:32.53 | Sidney__ | ompaul, I someone instructed me not to use Nvidia to change the resolution but to use the debian way |
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| 19:33.11 | DammitJim | I'll definitely try it, but the iPhone isn't mine and I want to be ready in case that gtkpod doesn't work |
| 19:33.13 | ompaul | Sidney__: I'd vote for that |
| 19:33.14 | trysten | canurabus: you can ask the bot questions.. |
| 19:33.18 | DammitJim | I might not have internet connectivity when I do this |
| 19:33.25 | Sidney__ | I just for got what I did |
| 19:33.55 | trysten | DammitJim: ahh, i see. well i'm guessing the music iInterface will be very similar to the one for iPod, if not the same. i know my iPhone has been recognized in gtkPod before |
| 19:33.56 | ompaul | Sidney__: type "history | less" in a terminal and have a look |
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| 19:35.07 | DammitJim | ok, thanks trysten for confirming this |
| 19:35.29 | trysten | DammitJim: well, i'll ive accomplished is getting it detected |
| 19:35.37 | DammitJim | oh |
| 19:35.44 | DammitJim | I wonder if it will be easy to get the music back |
| 19:35.50 | DammitJim | all we want to do is backup the music he has on his iPhone |
| 19:35.59 | trysten | DammitJim: (it says 'iPhone' on the left) i ALWAYS have tons of trouble interfacing with iDevices |
| 19:36.19 | Sidney__ | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/169322/ |
| 19:36.27 | DammitJim | it's a nightmare.. and on Windows it's worse |
| 19:36.35 | docbop | looking for 2bsd-diff or something like it |
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| 19:38.20 | Sidney__ | DammitJim, on windows I use sharepod don't know it that helps |
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| 19:38.33 | DammitJim | sharepod? is that free? |
| 19:38.37 | Sidney__ | yes |
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| 19:38.47 | h0nk | hi, in which package are vim spell files distributed in debian? |
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| 19:39.15 | rawhite | Anyone worked with debian mirroring ? |
| 19:39.29 | DammitJim | Sidney__, and that works with an iPhone? |
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| 19:40.13 | Sidney__ | will iphone use itunes |
| 19:40.25 | Sidney__ | if so yes |
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| 19:41.01 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 19:41.02 | DammitJim | sharepod |
| 19:41.03 | vlt | rawhite: I tried apt-mirror but do now just caching with apt-cacher. |
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| 19:41.52 | ptrkmj | is there a way to check which packages are part of debian's "standard" task? |
| 19:42.01 | rawhite | vlt: i need a local mirror since the customcd builder needs files localy, not sure how could i tell it to fetch it from the right location instead of looking for it localy |
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| 19:42.39 | lars_g | Good evening. |
| 19:43.02 | rawhite | you too |
| 19:43.15 | lars_g | I have a question, why hasn't debian returned to Firefox?, since it's my understanding the problems with the Mozilla Foundation that drove Debian to Iceweasel are over now. |
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| 19:44.53 | The_Eccentric | good question |
| 19:45.10 | trysten | ptrkmj: surely, try TASKSEL(8) |
| 19:45.55 | ptrkmj | trysten: do netinst iso contain standard task? |
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| 19:46.07 | GNU\colossus | which package provides /etc/mime.types ? |
| 19:46.14 | trysten | h0nk: ptrkmj it has all the default tasks |
| 19:46.14 | ptrkmj | cause i remeber i selected it but now some packages are missing |
| 19:46.32 | ptrkmj | default? |
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| 19:48.02 | trysten | sorry h0nk, not you. i'm not sure which package they came in, but why are you looking for them? |
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| 19:48.24 | trysten | ptrkmj: right, the 7 or so default tasks that you can pick.. |
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| 19:48.51 | jelly-home | trysten: all of that can't possibly fit in the netinst image |
| 19:49.07 | trysten | jelly-home: the task-* meta packages can |
| 19:49.45 | ptrkmj | trysten: i remember that i selected standard task but now there's e.g. no `less' program in my system (it has standard priority) |
| 19:49.51 | jelly-home | trysten: even if that's true, the real stuff, their dependencies, surely don't fit |
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| 19:50.07 | trysten | jelly-home: that's kind of the point of netinst isin't it |
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| 19:51.49 | jelly-home | trysten: yeah, _not_ having the tasks on it. |
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| 19:52.34 | trysten | jelly-home: well, how are you defining a 'task'. i think of the actual task meta-package, which it downloads from the net. but the descriptions are on the net-inst image |
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| 19:53.14 | h0nk | trysten: I want to spell check my files in de.UTF-8 |
| 19:53.15 | jelly-home | !standard task |
| 19:53.15 | dpkg | i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages, see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. |
| 19:54.01 | h0nk | it downloads something for me when I switch to de spelling, but that seems to be local for the current account |
| 19:54.06 | jelly-home | judd: info less |
| 19:54.07 | judd | Package less (text, standard) in squeeze/i386: pager program similar to more. Version: 436-1; Size: 115.5k; Installed: 288k; Homepage: http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/ |
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| 19:54.20 | jelly-home | so yeah, less ought to get installed |
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| 19:55.25 | trysten | h0nk: well i think that locale can be set per-user |
| 19:55.44 | trysten | ptrkmj: anyways, you can 'reinstall' by tasksel install standard |
| 19:55.45 | canurabus | uh... so i tried looking for nvidia-dkms , but i cant install it (package dne) |
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| 19:56.28 | borsin | installing from the netinstall what is the meta package for the wireless utilities that can be installed later on a minimal install? |
| 19:56.33 | jelly-home | canurabus: the name is nvidia-kernel-dkms. Read /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 19:57.14 | canurabus | thats the package i tried... verbatim (apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms) |
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| 19:57.56 | h0nk | trysten: this isn't about locale, but the what dict to use for vim's spell checker |
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| 19:58.10 | h0nk | that's some vim runtime configuration |
| 19:58.50 | h0nk | I was expecting some shared wordlist for all users, instead of everyone downloading the same file over and over |
| 19:58.58 | h0nk | that's why I came here |
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| 20:08.44 | trysten | h0nk: i've only just started using vim, i had to look up how to turn on syntax highlighting. |
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| 20:19.30 | mah454 | Hello |
| 20:19.35 | mah454 | I install exim4 |
| 20:19.47 | mah454 | this server send message to spam dir ! |
| 20:19.47 | gnarface | good job! |
| 20:19.50 | gnarface | oh |
| 20:19.53 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
| 20:19.56 | gnarface | well that's too bad. maybe it was spam? |
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| 20:20.05 | Diopter | Working as intended. |
| 20:20.20 | Diopter | All email is spam, don't you worry none. |
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| 20:20.42 | g3orge | any apps to google from the desktop, like Launchbar on Mac OS X? |
| 20:20.48 | mah454 | Diopter, All mail's is spam ?! |
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| 20:22.00 | Diopter | mah454: Opinions expressed are my own and may not represent the opinions of <TODO: fill in> |
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| 20:23.56 | Ogrish | *rolleyes |
| 20:24.50 | xylon___ | omg I'm installing it using net installer it asked me what additional stuff I wanna install so I selected something and pressed enter and: pow! gone |
| 20:24.59 | xylon___ | I think I was supposed to press space bar? |
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| 20:25.49 | andornaut | I just tried wheezy alpha release, installed base system, Xorg, xfce4 and nvidia-glx. Now on boot I get a black screen. Anyone know if i can pass a grub param to get it to boot to a console? |
| 20:25.59 | nvz | I think you were suppose to press the any key |
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| 20:26.14 | xylon___ | I don'thave an any key |
| 20:26.20 | nvz | andornaut: probably did boot to the console |
| 20:26.27 | dvs | heh |
| 20:26.32 | keith4 | yah, framebuffer console |
| 20:26.45 | andornaut | nvz: yeah, you'r right, no display manager is installed |
| 20:26.48 | dvs | is still looking for that bar in space |
| 20:26.48 | nvz | andornaut: nofb vga=normal |
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| 20:27.41 | xylon___ | ok but now I'm sad because I don't know how to make it come back |
| 20:27.56 | Diopter | dvs: http://bit.ly/eHYYOG <- relevant |
| 20:28.23 | dvs | Diopter: heh |
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| 20:29.14 | xylon___ | I guess I'll just turn the machine off mid-installation and retry tomorrow (was a stupid idea to do this when I'm tired and it's bed time anyway) |
| 20:29.35 | xylon___ | I was just so excited |
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| 20:31.50 | andornaut | nvz: added those options to the linux line of the grub config and booted, same problem :-/ |
| 20:32.09 | cryptic | is there a way to force a usb jump drive to be recognized as /dev/sdc? for whatever reason, my sata drives are being recognized as /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc, which causes problems with grub during installation |
| 20:32.22 | keith4 | use disk labels or UUIDs |
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| 20:32.28 | keith4 | oh, during *installation*.... |
| 20:32.30 | cryptic | since it tries to create a mbr on /dev/sda |
| 20:32.35 | cryptic | yeah keith4 |
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| 20:33.46 | keith4 | cryptic: you might have to go to the shell and run grub-install /dev/sdc manually, or whatever |
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| 20:33.56 | cryptic | I feel like the universe is out to get me today... for the longest time, I couldn't even get the usb jump drive to recognize (installation aborted because it couldn't detect a cd-rom) |
| 20:34.14 | cryptic | keith4: I'll try that, thanks |
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| 20:34.30 | keith4 | i don't really remember, though. sorry. i always pxe boot the netinst |
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| 20:34.52 | cryptic | pxe? |
| 20:35.11 | Diopter | Pre eXecution Environment. It's a way to bootstrap something over a network |
| 20:35.25 | cryptic | ah, maybe I'll look into that |
| 20:35.28 | Diopter | Basically DHCP + TFTP to load an initrd |
| 20:35.46 | Diopter | Nearly every BIOS/NIC provides the ability to PXE boot these days |
| 20:35.53 | keith4 | not feasible unless you run your own dhcpd, though |
| 20:36.02 | mongo | with iPXE it can be http, iscsi, aoe etc... |
| 20:36.40 | Diopter | Indeed |
| 20:37.01 | docbop | suggestions for a diff for very large files. trying to find source for 2bsd-diff but no luck. |
| 20:37.51 | mongo | the big deal is if you make your own you can have it look at smbios tags, I use that to produce dynamic boot images. Thus if machine A boots a php page gives it the debian netboot image with a webserver preseed file etc... |
| 20:38.18 | mongo | docbop: binary? |
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| 20:40.35 | mongo | rdiff is great if you are trying to grab patches it uses the rsync alg |
| 20:40.45 | mrbean | Hi, what should I use for the time in stable, ntpdate or ntp? I read ntpdate is deprecated but it is still in stable. |
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| 20:41.48 | vlt | mrbean: ntpdate is to set your clock once, ntp is the complete NTP server package. |
| 20:41.49 | mongo | mrbean: ntp it should keep you closer ntpdate tends to be more course |
| 20:42.23 | vlt | mrbean: Usually you want ntp. |
| 20:42.43 | mongo | I think lots of people used ntpdate in cron because it is stilly and defaults to using port 123 as a source port |
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| 20:44.10 | mrbean | ok, I'll pick ntp, thank you. Bye. |
| 20:44.28 | docbop | mongo: if there is a linux version otherwise source |
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| 20:47.29 | mongo | docbop: it is in the repos |
| 20:47.41 | Diopter | mongo: If you're talking about "bsdiff", that's not it. |
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| 20:49.39 | mongo | Diopter: p bsdiff - generate/apply a patch between two binary |
| 20:49.42 | mongo | its' in mine |
| 20:49.45 | docbop | mongo: 2bsd-diff I think I might of found source for it. |
| 20:49.55 | mongo | err oh i see |
| 20:49.56 | Diopter | mongo: Yes. bsdiff exists. It's not 2bsd-diff |
| 20:49.59 | mongo | no i was recomending rdiff |
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| 20:50.11 | Diopter | bsdiff requires a LOT of RAM. The point of the 2bsd-diff code is it requires very little |
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| 20:50.25 | mongo | rdiff is rsync based |
| 20:50.31 | mongo | it works without a huge amount of ram |
| 20:50.31 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 20:50.42 | Diopter | mongo: I know. rdiff/rsync are amazing. |
| 20:51.04 | Diopter | I'd definitely recommend rdiff over trying to compile something, until/unless rdiff fails somehow. |
| 20:51.45 | TheWarden | How can I install qBittorrent 2.9.8 on Debian Squeeze? I had info but some how lost it. Yes I require this version as the version available for Squeeze doesn't have all the features I require. |
| 20:52.15 | TheWarden | More specifically I would like to install qBittorrent 2.9.8 as headless. |
| 20:52.16 | mongo | does 2bsd-diff support files bigger than 2G? |
| 20:52.19 | ompaul | !tell TheWarden about sns |
| 20:52.21 | nvz | ,versions qbittorent |
| 20:52.22 | judd | No package named 'qbittorent' was found in i386. |
| 20:52.31 | mongo | TheWarden: transmission works |
| 20:52.35 | Diopter | TheWarden: qBittorrent 2.9.8-1 is in Testing. |
| 20:52.36 | TheWarden | I'm running on 64-bit as well. |
| 20:52.49 | nvz | uses transmission |
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| 20:53.17 | nvz | its got a gui, curses client, web interface, daemon.. pretty much anything you could want |
| 20:53.20 | ompaul | ,versions qbittorent |
| 20:53.21 | Diopter | transmission daemon + transmission remote ftw. Blocklists, web interface... |
| 20:53.22 | judd | No package named 'qbittorent' was found in i386. |
| 20:53.40 | ompaul | ,versions qbittorrent |
| 20:53.41 | judd | Package: qbittorrent on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.0~rc1-2; squeeze: 2.2.11-1; sid: 2.9.8-1; wheezy: 2.9.8-1 |
| 20:54.09 | TheWarden | mmm well I need RSS support with auto download if possible and a schedule to turn on and off transfers. |
| 20:54.10 | ompaul | TheWarden: it appears apt-get install qbittorrent gets you the full package |
| 20:54.22 | ompaul | TheWarden: at the version you want |
| 20:54.25 | TheWarden | I don't believe the version of Transmission with Squeeze supports those features. |
| 20:54.48 | ompaul | TheWarden: I send you a link via the bot to get that onto your machine |
| 20:55.13 | ompaul | TheWarden: check for a tab called dpkg or some such |
| 20:55.20 | TheWarden | ompaul: I have qBittorrent installed but its 2.2.11 which lacks the features I just mentioned. |
| 20:55.27 | mongo | there is a transmission-rss gem but that is a pain, i'm not sure why they activlly refuse to include it |
| 20:55.30 | rootant | karlpinc: actually i've used apt-get -t squeeze-backports |
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| 20:55.45 | ompaul | TheWarden: I send you a link via the bot to get that onto your machine, the version you want. |
| 20:56.03 | ompaul | TheWarden: please read the message from dpkg thank you |
| 20:56.28 | TheWarden | ompaul: oh okay, thanks. I'm open to using a different client as long as it has those features and can run headless controlled via a web interface. |
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| 20:57.20 | Diopter | TheWarden: Transmission has a daemon and multiple clients. CLI, curses, GTK, Web |
| 20:57.20 | TheWarden | ompaul: I don't have the link and I got your SNS message. I'm just looking for a solution. |
| 20:57.25 | Diopter | It's pretty fantastic |
| 20:57.28 | mongo | it does remind me I need to add in the new squeeze isos |
| 20:58.08 | TheWarden | Diopter: okay but where is the RSS support and scheduling? How about auto smart RSS download? |
| 20:58.21 | ompaul | TheWarden: the idea is you do /msg dpkg backports that will tell you exactly what you need to do or if that can't work use /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:58.24 | mongo | if a service is the only one that uses a device is it bad to make the link outside of /dev ? |
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| 20:59.18 | Diopter | TheWarden: Don't do that myself, but there's some rss clients that support talking to Transmission. |
| 20:59.22 | gnarface | mknod works outside of dev ?! |
| 20:59.30 | Diopter | There might even be transmission plugins |
| 20:59.51 | mongo | gnarface: mknod is irrelivant with devfs |
| 21:00.03 | mongo | the real devices are in /sys /dev is mostly symlinks now |
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| 21:00.12 | TheWarden | mmm well I'm open to use a bittorrent client that is supported on Debian Squeeze but need those features. Thus far I haven't found what I needed and why I came here |
| 21:00.24 | Diopter | gnarface: You can have device nodes in lots of places, actually. If you want to have one in /tmp, for instance, you'll need to remount it -o dev, as its nodev/noexec by default :P |
| 21:00.25 | cryptic | ugh, well I got it to install, but now the init screen is hanging on "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 5.444212] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... |
| 21:00.50 | gnarface | 's dev is most certainly NOT mostly symlinks |
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| 21:01.00 | T-Guy | what is the Debian main support channel? this? or OFTC one?! |
| 21:01.01 | mongo | it would simplify apparmor if all my vm's network interfaces were in /var/lib/libvirt/net |
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| 21:01.22 | mongo | gnarface: the aren't like old mknod |
| 21:01.23 | Diopter | cryptic: I've gotten stuck there before. It's possible you need some firmware or modules in your initramfs. |
| 21:01.41 | mongo | even the ones you see with major,minors are really in /sys |
| 21:01.55 | rainfyre | T-Guy: this one has a lot more people in it. Both are good. |
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| 21:01.59 | cryptic | Diopter: perhaps, I'll try reinstalling with the standard system utilities |
| 21:02.16 | Diopter | cryptic: What kind of hardware is this? |
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| 21:03.08 | cryptic | Diopter: nothing special; a gigabyte motherboard + intel i7-2600k |
| 21:03.25 | T-Guy | Are all the nicknames in here real people? or just bots or eggdrops, bouncers, etc ? |
| 21:03.41 | Diopter | cryptic: Not being special doesn't mean it doesn't require more modules/firmware than the netinstall provided. |
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| 21:04.32 | Diopter | cryptic: It might be to your benefit to boot the netinst in rescue mode, mount your installed system/execute a shell in it, apt-get install a few firmware-<something>, update-grub, update-initramfs -u |
| 21:04.47 | cryptic | Diopter: thanks, I'll give that a shot |
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| 21:07.36 | andornaut | so, my new install of debian wheezy alpha leaves me at a blank screen on boot. I've tried nofb, nomodeset, vga=normal grub2 options to no avail. Can anyone please help? |
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| 21:12.03 | Diopter | andornaut: "wheezy alpha"? lolwat? |
| 21:14.05 | andornaut | Diopter: sorry, wheezy. alpha1 of debian installer 7 |
| 21:14.31 | Diopter | andornaut: Did you enable the ssh-server task? Could you try ssh'ing into the box? |
| 21:14.40 | andornaut | Diopter: im sshd in now |
| 21:14.45 | ompaul | andornaut: the installer is designed to test the installer, the right way is to install squeeze and then upgrade |
| 21:15.00 | Diopter | ^ that too |
| 21:15.31 | Diopter | andornaut: So, see what graphics modules are loaded. Then, don't do that -- whatever it is. |
| 21:15.46 | Diopter | andornaut: Good place to start, particularly with an nvidia card, or nvidia+intel optimus combo |
| 21:16.17 | andornaut | Diopter: nvidia is loaded, I can try switching back to nouveau... ? |
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| 21:17.02 | andornaut | Shouldn't I just be able to disable the framebuffer? Im assuming that's the problem. I can see output until the display switches to black |
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| 21:17.56 | Diopter | andornaut: The strange thing is that if you're using the proprietary nvidia drivers, they don't Do a modeswitch for your framebuffer. They have their own KMS that doesn't auto-switch on console fb. |
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| 21:18.34 | Diopter | andornaut: Which makes me think you're doing something fundamentally wrong. |
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| 21:18.56 | Diopter | andornaut: Might be useful to pastesite the output of "lsmod" |
| 21:19.23 | andornaut | http://pastebin.ca/2149740 |
| 21:19.48 | Diopter | andornaut: There's your problem. |
| 21:19.58 | Diopter | video 17628 1 i915 |
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| 21:20.16 | Diopter | andornaut: You've swapped between nvidia drivers, but you've obviously got an optimus system, with intel+nvidia |
| 21:20.30 | Diopter | andornaut: Your intel is getting the fb. Which apparently for your system = blank display |
| 21:20.49 | andornaut | Diopter: ah, crap, thanks! So, what'd you suggest? blacklisting the module? |
| 21:20.54 | Diopter | andornaut: If you Want to use the nvidia, you should 1) attempt to disable optimus/enable only the card you want |
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| 21:21.18 | Diopter | Or if you really don't care about the nvidia card/external monitors, I'd try to disable it with a vengeance. |
| 21:21.28 | Diopter | There might be a BIOS setting, or Fn+Hotkey to switch card -> screen |
| 21:21.40 | Diopter | It's very system/BIOS dependent stuff. Google! |
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| 21:22.10 | andornaut | so, where is i915 coming from? I actually have 2x nvidia cards, no onboard video... |
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| 21:22.54 | Diopter | andornaut: You very much so have onboard video if your "video" module is using i915, and you're getting a KMS modeswitch on console (without using nouveau) |
| 21:23.39 | andornaut | Diopter: well, im looking at the back of the board, and there's no video ports. I'll take a look in the bios... |
| 21:23.40 | Diopter | andornaut: I presume this isn't a laptop, since you have 2x nvidia cards, but it's possible the intel GPU is part of your CPU. heh |
| 21:23.51 | Diopter | orly? That's kind of neat. |
| 21:23.52 | andornaut | Diopter: ah, yeah, that's it |
| 21:24.00 | Diopter | So... in that case... blacklist i915 |
| 21:24.09 | andornaut | yep |
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| 21:24.33 | Diopter | Reboot, maybe toy with adding/removing nomodeset. Shouldn't need it, but try it if you come up blank |
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| 21:25.28 | TheWarden | can someone point me in the right direction on how to run Transmission as a demon (init.d) |
| 21:25.50 | Diopter | TheWarden: install transmission-daemon, ????, profit |
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| 21:26.37 | andornaut | Diopter: ok will do. I'll let you know how itgoes. Thanks for the help. |
| 21:26.38 | andornaut | uh... nm |
| 21:27.05 | andornaut | "ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)" i have a feeling my HD controller is dying |
| 21:27.29 | andornaut | this all started when I got btrfs corruption and had to reinstall (at least recovery of the data was possible) |
| 21:27.35 | Diopter | andornaut: Neat. Probably time to check the SMART data |
| 21:27.48 | Diopter | andornaut: smartctl from smartmontools, etc |
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| 21:28.20 | TheWarden | Diopter: mmm okay, I'll look for that. I didn't see it before in my searches. |
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| 21:31.19 | andornaut | Diopter: so im back in the debian rescue console, and it appears my raid0 partitions are gone lol |
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| 21:31.33 | andornaut | .. my root partition IOW |
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| 21:32.31 | Diopter | andornaut: That's kind of exciting. |
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| 21:32.36 | andornaut | lol |
| 21:32.44 | Diopter | >.> |
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| 21:33.03 | andornaut | so... hd controller broken or drive broken? what'd you bet on? |
| 21:33.04 | Diopter | Don't suppose you did a dump of your partition tables |
| 21:33.16 | andornaut | Diopter: nope |
| 21:33.18 | Diopter | Mm... drives break more often and for more reasons, so... |
| 21:33.25 | Diopter | smartctl go? |
| 21:33.28 | andornaut | yeah, but both drives? |
| 21:34.04 | andornaut | Diopter: not on the rescue environment |
| 21:34.16 | Diopter | Not generally :P But did you remake the partition tables when you reinstalled after your btrfs corruption? |
| 21:34.24 | andornaut | Diopter: yep |
| 21:34.28 | mongo | did you use mdadm to try and assemble them? |
| 21:34.34 | mongo | oh btrfs |
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| 21:34.39 | andornaut | mongo: the partitions arent there anymore |
| 21:34.40 | vlt | I solved my problem installing packages without actually running them: I just needed to create the executable file /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d containing “exit 101”. |
| 21:35.01 | Diopter | vlt: Sounds like a bad idea to me. |
| 21:35.11 | vlt | Diopter: Why? |
| 21:35.12 | andornaut | fdisk -l /dev/sda shows only 1 partition (instead of 2) |
| 21:35.19 | Diopter | vlt: Why not? |
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| 21:35.53 | mongo | raid 0 is living on the edge but partitions don't tend to just go away |
| 21:36.13 | vlt | Diopter: It prevents apt routines from messing up my host system when installing packages in a chroot env. That’s exactly what I needed. What could be bad here? |
| 21:37.20 | Diopter | vlt: I'm confused what could mess up your host system if you're running it in a chroot. |
| 21:37.30 | Diopter | Unless by virtue of bind mounted dev/proc/sys |
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| 21:40.03 | vlt | Diopter: When I installed a pkg in the chroot (apache2 for example) i had a running apache process afterwards on my host system. I was looking for way to _only_ install it. |
| 21:41.16 | Diopter | vlt: I see. |
| 21:41.59 | vlt | Diopter: Why did you think it was a bad idea? What could go wrong here? |
| 21:42.10 | trysten | vlt: well it's still running out of the chroot right? just kill it, the start scripts and everything else is supposed to come with the pkg, it's just that that very first run is part of the installer script |
| 21:43.07 | Diopter | vlt: Running package scripts is sometimes important to properly installing it. But that aside, I thought you were attempting to do this sans chroot. |
| 21:43.26 | mongo | vlt: are you on lvm? you could just do a snapshot |
| 21:44.25 | vlt | trysten: I didn’t understand what were trying to tell me. When should I just kill what? |
| 21:44.47 | vlt | Diopter: Ok. I’ll see whether I get problems with somw packages. |
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| 21:45.08 | vlt | mongo: Yes, I’m on LVM. A snapshot of what? |
| 21:45.41 | trysten | vlt: right, your policy-rc.d would work better than that. i hadn't read that far back |
| 21:47.29 | cryptic | Diopter: I think I might know the problem... the netinst doesn't use nonfree modules |
| 21:47.35 | mongo | you are trying to test .deb installs right? |
| 21:47.52 | mongo | snap / thats what I do |
| 21:48.03 | mongo | just make sure you don't mount via UUID, that is broken |
| 21:48.08 | Diopter | cryptic: If you need them, that could very easily be it. |
| 21:48.21 | Diopter | cryptic: You can actually get a netinst ISO that has the non-free firmware included |
| 21:48.50 | cryptic | Diopter: well, I have two nvidia graphics cards, but I didn't install any gui stuff, so I was somewhat surprised to see nouveau listed |
| 21:48.54 | cryptic | which could be it |
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| 21:49.43 | Diopter | cryptic: Did you install squeeze or testing? |
| 21:49.48 | cryptic | squeeze |
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| 21:50.01 | vlt | mongo: Whut? |
| 21:50.11 | Diopter | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:50.12 | vlt | mongo: I want to install something into a chroot. |
| 21:50.37 | vlt | mongo: Without it messing up my host system by running any processes there. |
| 21:51.07 | vlt | mongo: I have absolutely no idea how LVM snapshots could be helpful here. What did you mean? |
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| 21:52.12 | Diopter | vlt: I don't know what they were talking about either. I think they might have been implying you could rollback a package install as though it never ran its scripts |
| 21:52.21 | Diopter | shrugs |
| 21:52.31 | mongo | vlt, yes buy why not use containers? making everything act the same in a chroot is complicated, may as well just run a system |
| 21:53.08 | vlt | mongo: I’m sorry, I seem not to understand what you’re talking about. |
| 21:53.21 | Sidney__ | I used backport to install drivers in squeeze. The drivers have a problem in Debian so does this warrant a bug report? |
| 21:53.23 | vlt | mongo: Containers? |
| 21:53.35 | Diopter | Sidney__: Maybe to the backports guys. |
| 21:53.43 | mongo | vlt: http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:54.24 | Sidney__ | Diopter, could you point me in the right direction to report this |
| 21:54.55 | Diopter | Sidney__: http://backports-master.debian.org/FAQ/ first question |
| 21:55.16 | daemon | hey all how can I monitor how much bandwidth has been used on an ip |
| 21:55.22 | vlt | mongo: hmmm … Can you describe an example setup that might help me solve my problem? |
| 21:55.30 | daemon | if I have lets say .. 100 ipv4 addresses on my server |
| 21:55.41 | daemon | and I want to know how muh was sent and recieved on one of the ips in the last 2 weeks |
| 21:55.44 | Diopter | daemon: If you weren't already collecting data on it, you can't magically grab it for a specific IP out of the interface counters. |
| 21:55.55 | mongo | vlt: i'm not really getting your poblem, you are trying to test upgrades right? |
| 21:56.03 | mongo | to see if the .deb's scripts break things? |
| 21:56.06 | vlt | mongo: No. |
| 21:56.07 | daemon | Diopter, nope not collected anything but this is for a server I am going to build anyway :) |
| 21:56.10 | daemon | how do I go about it |
| 21:56.14 | mongo | bwulf: I'm missing what you are trying to do then |
| 21:56.22 | mongo | err s/bwulf/vlt |
| 21:56.38 | vlt | mongo: I just want to install something into a chroot. But _only_ install, nothing to be run. |
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| 21:56.52 | mongo | vlt: why |
| 21:56.53 | Diopter | daemon: You have a lot of options, but to be quite honest, per-IP is difficult if you've got a lot of traffic. What total throughput/transfer do you expect to hit? |
| 21:56.56 | mongo | what is the end goal |
| 21:57.07 | daemon | Diopter, couple of terabit a week per ip |
| 21:57.25 | daemon | terabytes * -_- |
| 21:57.27 | Diopter | daemon: * 100 IPs? |
| 21:57.28 | mongo | why not just unpackage it? |
| 21:57.40 | daemon | Diopter, in the end it might be far far more but it will be over a vast amount of servers |
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| 21:57.45 | daemon | Diopter, lets say a maximum of 100 per server |
| 21:57.48 | vlt | mongo: To have a fully installed system in a chroot that … sleeps and doesn’t (try to) run or stop any processes on my actual host system. |
| 21:58.05 | Diopter | daemon: Ok, so how much is any one server doing? Still 1TB/wk? |
| 21:58.21 | daemon | Diopter, each individual ip will be in the 1-2TB a week range |
| 21:58.24 | mongo | and what does it do? what is it's function? QA? |
| 21:58.24 | daemon | yep |
| 21:58.28 | Diopter | daemon: Alright, moment. |
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| 21:59.15 | vlt | mongo: To be run later. In its own environment. I want to create a complete system that later can be run. |
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| 21:59.20 | mongo | vlt: if you aren't using the installs scripts just unpack it with ar |
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| 21:59.38 | vlt | mongo: What does “just unpackaging” mean? |
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| 21:59.46 | mongo | vlt: so you do want the package to install it's self, that means it needs to run scripts |
| 21:59.54 | born2troll | hey is there any non us mirror who is working and i can use? |
| 21:59.55 | mongo | vlt: a .deb is just an ar archive |
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| 21:59.59 | vlt | mongo: Can you give an example for an apache2 installation without running it? |
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| 22:00.17 | mongo | vlt: so you want the package installer to run, just not the daemon? |
| 22:00.29 | nsadmin | born2troll, sure, see the mirror list |
| 22:00.31 | vlt | mongo: Basically yes. |
| 22:00.41 | born2troll | nsadmin, where is the list? |
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| 22:00.44 | Diopter | daemon: That's 165MB/s per IP. Which is approximately 1GigE port per IP -- per box. So unless you have 10x 10Gig interfaces in each box... you're not capable of pushing that much transfer per IP. |
| 22:01.05 | mongo | vlt: use a container, the scripts do lots of dependancy checking |
| 22:01.10 | nsadmin | gotta be the easiest question under the sun... but, ok... |
| 22:01.17 | daemon | Diopter, even so lets say I have; what would I use to monitor that traffic |
| 22:01.19 | mongo | its' a light weight virtual machine, you would install on |
| 22:01.39 | born2troll | hey is there any non us mirror who is working and i can use? |
| 22:01.44 | Diopter | daemon: And if you Do have a handful of quad-10G cards you're going to put on a huge cluster... in order to get per-IP stats you'd need to be capturing a shitload of packets and parsing and storing them. |
| 22:02.08 | Diopter | daemon: It's actually very difficult to do that without losing a lot of them and skewing your stats. |
| 22:02.15 | nsadmin | hey born2troll, ever think of searching? http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=debian+mirror+list&ei=UTF-8 |
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| 22:02.26 | daemon | Diopter, that could be a problem I wondered if pf or whatever linux uses would be able to passively work out the usage (sorry from a freebsd background) |
| 22:02.31 | nsadmin | perhaps the first link... |
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| 22:02.56 | Diopter | daemon: You'd need to use something which uses the new TurboPacket interface in the Linux kernel (which very recent libpcap can do), and use a multi-threaded capturing client |
| 22:02.58 | daemon | Diopter, would I be better off buying a big ass server and setting up a openvz per ip and monitoring the entire iface |
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| 22:03.32 | born2troll | ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ awsome "ftp.au.debian.org/debian/" is not a source... its part of the source link so ur result brings nothing |
| 22:03.33 | daemon | well monitoring the iface from within the openvz instance |
| 22:03.40 | born2troll | thx for beeing arrogant anyway -.- |
| 22:03.44 | Diopter | daemon: Maybe, but at the aggregate transfer/throughput you're suggesting, you might very well need to invest in a beefy switch/aggr that can run netflow |
| 22:03.58 | nsadmin | may be the next mirror |
| 22:04.09 | nsadmin | err rr... mir ror |
| 22:04.13 | daemon | Diopter, I was actually tellnig the truth with the 1-2TB per ip but upto 80% of the 100 ip block may be unassigned at any time |
| 22:04.17 | Diopter | daemon: The problem with assuming you can virtualize interfaces and 'monitor' them, at the packet-inspection level, is that if you do that, you will destroy your bandwidth. |
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| 22:04.53 | mongo | if you use ovs you can have it send to a netflow collector |
| 22:05.07 | nsadmin | see: man 5 sources.list to see how to build sources.list lines (each being a source) |
| 22:05.08 | Diopter | daemon: Assuming you have quad-10G cards, they'll be eating a PCIx16 each, which it turns out is quite a lot of backplane bandwidth. And you're basically capturing all of that, And parsing it, And storing it. |
| 22:05.26 | daemon | Diopter, I never figured how this works but in your terminal install 'bmon' |
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| 22:05.28 | daemon | its really small |
| 22:05.42 | Diopter | daemon: Well, you have to decide whether you care about handicapping your network performance or not. |
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| 22:05.56 | themill | born2troll: you could try pastebinning real error messages rather than telling us that it "doesn't work" |
| 22:06.05 | daemon | Diopter, it somehow knows how much has been trasnfered on an interface |
| 22:06.11 | daemon | upto 4G where it resets to zero |
| 22:06.18 | daemon | my thought was I could use it intermitently on each openvz install |
| 22:06.19 | mongo | oh transfered on an interface is easy |
| 22:06.20 | Diopter | If you Do care, there is no small, easy utility that lets you do packet inspection monitoring/logging at high enough speed to not impact bandwidth. |
| 22:06.22 | daemon | to get what had been transfered |
| 22:06.23 | mongo | if you don't care per flow |
| 22:06.32 | nsadmin | themill, born2troll was apparantly also born2run |
| 22:06.39 | themill | indeed |
| 22:06.52 | Diopter | daemon: Interface counters are accumulated by the nic driver, and are no overhead to read over time. |
| 22:07.05 | daemon | Diopter, so openvz + that as a solution would be a good idea |
| 22:07.05 | Diopter | daemon: That's an entire *universe* of difference from doing packet inspection (like per-IP stats) |
| 22:07.13 | mongo | collectd works fine from that level |
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| 22:07.20 | mongo | for interface level |
| 22:07.29 | daemon | Diopter, all I really need is how much ahs been sent and recieved :) |
| 22:07.30 | Diopter | daemon: If you don't care about crippling your max possible throughput, then monitoring a virtualized interface is great, sure. |
| 22:08.02 | Diopter | daemon: You didn't say that. You said 100 IPs per box, and per-IP stats. You also gave me transfer totals that require 100Gbps of bandwidth per box. |
| 22:08.05 | mongo | Netflow works quite well if you don't do deap inspection |
| 22:08.19 | daemon | Diopter, its still the same really I still would require per ip |
| 22:08.23 | Diopter | daemon: Which means lots of interfaces, lots of bus bandwidth, lots of opportunities to utterly cripple your bandwidth |
| 22:08.31 | daemon | I see |
| 22:08.47 | mongo | 100GPs isn't happening on a PC anyway |
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| 22:09.05 | Diopter | mongo: It can, actually. You just need 3 or 4 PCI x16 slots and quad-port cards |
| 22:09.19 | nsadmin | I need to convert a non-insserv service (ipmasq) so it works with insserv |
| 22:09.21 | Diopter | Though you'd really want a dual hex-core box for it on 1666MHz |
| 22:09.27 | mongo | Diopter: not that much bandwidth from the cpu |
| 22:09.42 | daemon | at least; a quad quad would be better |
| 22:09.43 | Diopter | Most 1/2U PCI risers aren't going to give you more than 1 x16 slot and a couple x8's |
| 22:10.01 | Diopter | Which is the primary issue with stuffing lots of 10G cards into a rackmount server |
| 22:10.03 | daemon | mongo, also depends on the card |
| 22:10.07 | daemon | some IRQ storm others do not |
| 22:10.12 | daemon | sis/em handle alot of requests them self |
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| 22:10.16 | daemon | xl0/re0 irq storm |
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| 22:10.25 | Diopter | Intel = win |
| 22:10.26 | mongo | daemon: no you need 40 pcie-2 lanes to push that much data |
| 22:10.30 | Diopter | Myricoms are pretty spectacular as well |
| 22:10.35 | mongo | and that is just getting it to the cpu |
| 22:10.49 | mongo | well too and from |
| 22:10.58 | daemon | truer my example was a bit boisterous |
| 22:11.07 | daemon | the real question I was trying to get to was 'how do I monitor per ip' |
| 22:11.16 | mongo | daemon: openvswitch and netflow |
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| 22:11.29 | Diopter | mongo: I think you're calculating at 100GB/s. I said Gbps. One x32 lane PCIe connector is 16GB/s aggregate, which is 128Gbps |
| 22:11.35 | mongo | or sFlow |
| 22:12.07 | vlt | Can I exclude certain recommended packages from being installed by aptitude? |
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| 22:12.33 | mongo | Diopter: if you are "pushing" that much you need to send it out the buss too |
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| 22:13.08 | mongo | 16Gb/s is all I can get out of a dell r720 with real traffic |
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| 22:13.45 | mongo | assuming a 1500 mtu |
| 22:13.51 | Diopter | mongo: I've gotten more, but it depends on the NIC/switch/packet size. |
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| 22:14.12 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:14.18 | mongo | Diopter: yes but in real apps you have to go in and out of the cpu from memory multiple times et.c.. |
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| 22:14.33 | Adam12344321 | I have a problem, I installed debian the 64bit amd and after everything is done nd installed and partioned there is no gui, so i go to download gnome/kde then i have to internet....i have my ethernet cable plugged in lights and all but no ping or apt-get update wont connect ...please help |
| 22:14.46 | n-iCe | what's a better option, to install a new kernel using backports or tu change my stable sources to wheezy do and update and install wheezy's kernel? |
| 22:15.00 | Adam12344321 | no internet* |
| 22:15.22 | Diopter | Adam12344321: Try "dhclient eth0" |
| 22:16.34 | themill | n-iCe: don't mix repositories... I'm sure we've covered that before |
| 22:16.46 | Adam12344321 | lmao thanks dude..wow. i couldnt find it on the web anywhere #noob |
| 22:17.23 | n-iCe | themill: have we? so you will choose the backports idea? |
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| 22:20.42 | abrotman | themill: i'm sure he forgot ... |
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| 22:20.58 | bigl | I am running debian testing - after installing smplayer2, there are very small fonts for the menu's - so small they are unreadable. I believe that I have seen this issue previously and the fix was to install a font that wasn't installed - This is a fresh install - does anyone know what package I need to install to fix this font issue? Most programs look fine - seems I'm missing a font that only certain programs use |
| 22:21.01 | mongo | Netflow rocks on openvswitch anyway |
| 22:21.35 | gnarface | bigl: apt-cache search ^ttf |
| 22:21.48 | gnarface | bigl: take your pick |
| 22:22.05 | n-iCe | abrotman: what would you do? |
| 22:22.15 | bigl | gnarface - installing any ttf font should fix this issue? |
| 22:23.10 | gnarface | bigl: if it is as you diagnosed. sometimes odd combinations of default gtk/gtk2 settings and improper screen dpi auto-detection can cause similar problems. "so small they're unreadable" is sortof a subjective statement, so i don't really know what you're looking at |
| 22:23.56 | bigl | literally unreadable - like 1/20th the normal font size |
| 22:24.24 | bigl | ran into the same problem with the recent debian addition of linux mint - I have seen this problem in the past I just cant remember how I fixed it |
| 22:24.32 | gnarface | bigl: note (i should hope i don't have to specify this but just in case) you will want to install ttf font sets that are populated with glyphs *in your locale* ... a bunch of foreign characters and empty squares aren't likely to help anyone with their menus being readable |
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| 22:25.34 | bigl | meaning I shouldn't install ttf-lao :) |
| 22:26.16 | abrotman | n-iCe: the opposite of whatever you think is a good idea |
| 22:27.08 | gnarface | bigl: probably not :-p ... i think there are other font packages that don't start with "ttf" that may also help you, thats just one of the more common naming conventions for them. "apt-cache search ^fonts" may also get you some useful entries, not sure |
| 22:27.43 | n-iCe | abrotman: then mix repos? |
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| 22:28.54 | gnarface | bigl: and i'd still also advise you double-check your monitor's manufacturer specs from the official manual against whatever Xorg is autodetecting as your native DPI. usually with newer gear it should get it right these days but its well known for historically getting it wrong... and EDIDs sometimes lie |
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| 22:31.07 | bigl | gnarface - the wierd thing is looks like every stock program installed via standard desktop install fonts are fine. |
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| 22:32.02 | gnarface | bigl: well i got nothing to tell you about that. could be a bug in the program (i'm not familiar with it) or maybe just with programs using the same toolkit (keep in mind not everything uses gtk) |
| 22:32.04 | bigl | it seems just some programs the menu's are unreadable due to incredibly small font? I don't think it would have to do with the monitor |
| 22:32.37 | bigl | gnarface - thats what I'm thinking, certain programs using a certain toolkit with a fontset I don't have?? |
| 22:32.43 | gnarface | bigl: gtk tries to pick a sane default font size based on your resolution and dpi... its highly unlikely i was just listing possibilities for you |
| 22:32.44 | bigl | anyway I'm just guessing at this point |
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| 22:33.52 | bigl | strange thing is on my home box (this is my parents box) I have the same program installed and it looks fine - this is what leads me to think I'm missing some package |
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| 22:34.49 | gnarface | bigl: same xorg configs too? also both testing? |
| 22:35.37 | Diopter | bigl: So... dpkg -l 'ttf*' on their box. Compare on yours. |
| 22:35.48 | Diopter | Or '*font*' |
| 22:36.03 | bigl | both testing - different xorg.conf's but both nvidia stock settings from nvidia-xconfig. |
| 22:36.19 | bigl | Diopter good idea |
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| 22:37.31 | gnarface | bigl: also you know... check the xorg logs to see which font renderers are loading on both (just in case you're literally missing the ttf renderer on one of them or something) |
| 22:37.38 | Diopter | bigl: Or dpkg --get-selections 'ttf*', for only fully installed stoofs. |
| 22:37.40 | Diopter | etc |
| 22:37.45 | Diopter | gnarface: A good idea. |
| 22:38.33 | gnarface | bigl: but ... the fact its just one program is still a puzzle. can you verify which toolkit that program uses and install a few others that use the same version of that toolkit to identify if its just that program or all of the ones using that toolkit? that would negate a lot of hypothetical possibilities |
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| 22:39.22 | gnarface | bigl: most stuff these days just uses ttf fonts but lots of stuff can still fail over to weird non-scaleable shit |
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| 22:40.52 | bigl | ok I'm gonna check other programs. I |
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| 22:52.51 | dschuett | why would my static ip keep getting overwritten on debain squeeze: http://pastebin.com/B3DwWNRf |
| 22:53.16 | dschuett | is there a way to disable dhclient? even at boot? |
| 22:54.35 | nvz | dschuett: service network-manager stop; update-rc.d -f network-manager remove |
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| 22:55.02 | tharkun | Is putty able to do scp? |
| 22:55.12 | nvz | tharkun: there is winscp |
| 22:55.24 | nvz | tharkun: the other tools are on the same site |
| 22:55.29 | gnarface | tharkun: putty is not but their site distributes pscp |
| 22:56.13 | dschuett | nvz: i don't have network-manager installed |
| 22:56.15 | tharkun | nvz, gnarface thanks |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | tharkun: also filezilla can |
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| 22:57.55 | nvz | dschuett: well idk then.. something on your machine is obviously starting a dhcp client on that interface |
| 22:58.04 | tharkun | abrotman: written down. WIN$ really suck at copying files. No matter what the protocol is. I'm planning on setting up an http server just so windows people can retrieve their backups faster |
| 22:58.14 | SPF | I'm trying to update my system, but insserv prevents it by giving a list of errors: http://pastebin.com/uBXaqVey |
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| 23:07.02 | streuner_ | joren: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:07.28 | SPF | how can I trace where apt-get upgrade goes wrong? |
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| 23:08.02 | streuner_ | traceroute? :-P |
| 23:08.15 | dwon | SPF: Just run it again? |
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| 23:08.33 | streuner_ | SPF: please show us your sources.list first, before we make statements :-) |
| 23:09.23 | SPF | http://pastebin.com/aPLVBKyh |
| 23:09.23 | streuner_ | SPF: plus the whole error(s) you got |
| 23:09.36 | SPF | error list: http://pastebin.com/uBXaqVey |
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| 23:10.36 | streuner_ | thats insane |
| 23:10.55 | streuner_ | this sources.list has *bunt* entries too... |
| 23:11.12 | joren | streuner_, Thanks, I followed the instructions there for netbooting, and it left me where I am now. |
| 23:11.24 | SPF | yes, its because the hardware has specific "closed source" drivers |
| 23:12.25 | streuner_ | SPF, Debian doesnt support closed sources |
| 23:12.25 | joren | Ah, so you think ubuntu gives me those closed source drivers? I guess that could make sense.. |
| 23:13.03 | joren | oh, or was that related to your own problems? :) |
| 23:14.20 | SPF | streuner_: I don't understand how this is related to my problem |
| 23:15.40 | streuner_ | SPF: well, according to that mess you are using, i would recommend just re-install :-) |
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| 23:15.59 | streuner_ | SPF: using a clean sources.list of Debian |
| 23:16.57 | SPF | yes well, I guess a reinstall is always a last resort |
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| 23:18.11 | SPF | but we won't learn anything from it, will we? |
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| 23:19.02 | streuner_ | SPF: well, first lesson, only use a clean sources.list in Debian, otherwise you get headaches |
| 23:20.01 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 23:20.02 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Squeeze, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:20.07 | streuner_ | SPF, ^^^ |
| 23:21.12 | SPF | the only I got from that non-debian mirror is the kernel |
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| 23:21.31 | SPF | can't I just clean sources.list and boot the default kernel to solve the problem? |
| 23:22.08 | streuner_ | sure, why not |
| 23:22.48 | streuner_ | SPF, well, i have doubts about this sources.list, but maybe your are lucky... |
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| 23:23.53 | SPF | streuner_: I would prefer to keep it clean too, but I have no idea how to transfer my kernel settings to the debian kernel |
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| 23:24.52 | streuner_ | SPF, that shouldnt be an issue, to run Debian |
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| 23:25.57 | SPF | streuner_: the default kernel works, but there are a few flaws like network speed is limited to 3MBytes/sec for example |
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| 23:27.14 | martianlobster | I am using this sources.list, http://acumensoftwareinc.com/sources.list and I when I run apt-cache update, I get these errors, http://acumensoftwareinc.com/error.txt How can I fix this? |
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| 23:29.35 | abrotman | you mean apt-get update ? |
| 23:29.50 | LtL | martianlobster: afaik there is no apt-cache update, try apt-get update |
| 23:29.52 | abrotman | !tell martianlobster about lenny sources.list |
| 23:29.58 | abrotman | !tell martianlobster about lenny->squeeze |
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| 23:32.12 | sixteen9ths | Hi all. I have an issue with held packages in apt-get |
| 23:32.18 | sixteen9ths | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.19 | sixteen9ths | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.48 | cryptic | is there a way I can make a change to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist during installation? |
| 23:32.50 | sixteen9ths | running lmde, using debian testing repos, xfce |
| 23:32.53 | streuner_ | sixteen9ths: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 23:33.23 | cryptic | I tried to use chroot /target, but I guess /target isn't where the os is installed |
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| 23:35.36 | themill | sixteen9ths: lmde support is in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org; don't mix repos for different distributions like that. I'd guess you're going to be backing up your data and reinstalling. |
| 23:35.39 | streuner_ | sixteen9ths: lmde should be an WM? right, and you running XFCE too? |
| 23:35.44 | martianlobster | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:36.12 | sixteen9ths | http://pastebin.com/8eHzhdCx |
| 23:36.14 | streuner_ | ah, so not a typo |
| 23:36.17 | benvei | How can i install only ONE package from the unstable repo without upgrading the whole system to unstable? |
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| 23:36.33 | streuner_ | benvei: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:36.36 | craigevil | benvei, you can try downloading it and using dpkg - |
| 23:36.36 | abrotman | !tell benvei about ssb |
| 23:36.37 | Nuked | http://pastebin.com/cXMAW9VB does this list of repositories look ok? I received errors upon trying to update. |
| 23:36.41 | abrotman | craigevil: fail |
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| 23:36.58 | craigevil | ;) |
| 23:37.01 | sixteen9ths | debian testing is compatible with lmde |
| 23:37.06 | SPF | streuner_: cd /sbin;mv insserv insserv_;touch insserv;chmod +x insserv;apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:37.10 | sixteen9ths | and I have been there already |
| 23:37.29 | sixteen9ths | they suggested I ask here. :) |
| 23:37.43 | themill | sixteen9ths: then tell them not do suggest that ever again. |
| 23:37.44 | streuner_ | sixteen9ths: look what themill told you |
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| 23:37.50 | abrotman | sixteen9ths: we don't support it, go ask them |
| 23:38.41 | themill | sixteen9ths: also, since this problem doesn't exist in debian, you might want to question that "compatibility" claim. |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | maybe they should just shut down LMDE if they can't support it |
| 23:39.10 | Nuked | abrotman: I don't mean to single you out, but does this list of repositories look ok? I received errors upon trying to update. http://pastebin.com/cXMAW9VB |
| 23:39.16 | streuner_ | !+tell sixteen9ths -about bobbitt |
| 23:39.17 | dpkg | told sixteen9ths about bobbitt. |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | streuner_: why? WTF point does that serve? |
| 23:39.56 | abrotman | Nuked: god .. to do what? |
| 23:40.01 | sixteen9ths | you did? |
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| 23:40.41 | streuner_ | !+tell abrotman -about bobbitt |
| 23:40.43 | dpkg | told abrotman about bobbitt. |
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| 23:41.07 | abrotman | streuner_: I have no idea if you're trolling or intentionally being a PITA, but it's getting old |
| 23:41.10 | Nuked | abrotman: looking to move on to unstable. I've got a box itchin to burn. Or could/should I just give it a one liner like "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free"? |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | Nuked: unstable doesn't have security sources |
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| 23:41.49 | Nuked | abrotman: other than that, I should be good to go, in your estimation? |
| 23:42.03 | at0m | Nuked: go! |
| 23:42.21 | abrotman | Nuked: well, considering you just asked how to form a sources.list for unstable, probably not, but we can't stop you |
| 23:42.46 | dvs | stops him |
| 23:42.59 | Nuked | abrotman: I didn't think there was any harm in asking. Perhaps I was wrong. |
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| 23:43.11 | abrotman | Nuked: the idea is that you should already know how :) |
| 23:43.21 | abrotman | Nuked: IOW, you sohuldn't have to ask |
| 23:43.28 | Nuked | abrotman: I understand exactly |
| 23:43.40 | Nuked | tips his hat |
| 23:43.57 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 23:44.38 | craigevil | Nuked, sid is fun especially when things like X break |
| 23:45.06 | joren | gentoo's more fun in that regard :) |
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| 23:45.19 | lost1_ | what you guys doing to break it? lol |
| 23:45.23 | Nuked | craigevil: I'm not unfamiliar with the issues. Sometimes I'm just in the mood to f*** s**** up |
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| 23:45.55 | Nuked | lost1_: gimme ten minutes and I'll have a good answer for you |
| 23:46.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:47.11 | tscopp | Hey all, does anyone have any particular experience setting up a Ganeti cluster? |
| 23:47.21 | rawhite | is it possible to make customlennycd with archive.debian.org ? |
| 23:47.39 | abrotman | rawhite: you probably could, but you sohuldn't .. Lenny hasn't had support in quite some time |
| 23:48.00 | rawhite | abrotman: i know all that but its essential ... too complex to explain why |
| 23:48.07 | rawhite | abrotman: but im trying but in vain |
| 23:48.10 | abrotman | rawhite: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | rawhite: or just change it the first time it boots |
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| 23:48.30 | rawhite | abrotman: well problem is that i cant make it boot |
| 23:48.35 | Nuked | craigevil: running slackware-current at the moment, so I figure if I couldn't f*** that up might as well try my hand at debian's unstable. |
| 23:48.49 | rawhite | i cant even build the cd |
| 23:48.54 | abrotman | rawhite: so what's wrong with changing it at first boot? |
| 23:49.19 | rawhite | abrotman: i cant build the cd anymore because make status fails and then all other things fail after that |
| 23:49.26 | rawhite | i need local packages also |
| 23:49.29 | abrotman | rawhite: or creating your own package with some customizatoins, including a new sources.list ? |
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| 23:51.25 | rawhite | abrotman: how would i add a new sources.list ? |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | rawhite: with what? a package? |
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| 23:52.01 | abrotman | rawhite: either the package can contain that file directly, or you can have it run a postinst script that overwrites the existing one |
| 23:52.37 | rawhite | abrotman: but before you get to that part you need some other steps |
| 23:52.41 | rawhite | and it fails at that |
| 23:52.42 | rawhite | # Paths to the mirrors |
| 23:52.44 | rawhite | export MIRROR= |
| 23:52.52 | rawhite | can i add http://archive.debian.org here ? :) |
| 23:53.23 | rawhite | currently i have a local mirror added + i have localdeps exported also in that file which i source and then use make status ... etc |
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| 23:59.55 | Nuked | abrotman: seems like there are alot of spammers around |
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