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| 00:00.32 | abrotman | rawhite: it can be a package? |
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| 00:06.44 | rawhite | abrotman: its not easy at all |
| 00:06.46 | rawhite | damn it |
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| 00:07.41 | rawhite | abrotman: its stupid to be using lenny i know, but squeeze is not an option , also its so much much stuff customized and non documented of course :) hehe pfff |
| 00:08.10 | ranix | why is lenny an option and squeeze is not |
| 00:08.21 | streuner_ | abrotman, you are the greatest asshole, i ever met ;-) |
| 00:08.59 | rawhite | ranix: custom packages that are working with lenny but would need to be remade for sqeuuze becase version changes etc ... |
| 00:09.15 | rawhite | custom boot stuff custom almost everything :) |
| 00:09.17 | rawhite | yet no docs :P |
| 00:09.35 | rawhite | and i aint no Oz nor Potter :) |
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| 00:11.15 | nsadmin | I need to convert a non-insserv service (ipmasq) so it works with insserv. how would I do this? also, why is dhcp3-server not providing a /etc/init.d/script? |
| 00:12.58 | rawhite | ranix: but in the end i will have to try with that ... i think |
| 00:13.36 | ranix | the sooner you properly control and check in source for your changes the sooner you will be doing things properly and maintainably |
| 00:14.01 | rawhite | ranix: dont tell me :P |
| 00:14.35 | rawhite | ranix: its not my choice ... but im mad from it |
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| 00:15.12 | ranix | I saw a company I left die for those kinds of mistakes :( |
| 00:15.12 | benvei | Okay, thanks for the idea with the deb-src line. But, when i install a package from the source, will it update with apt-get update? |
| 00:15.14 | h725 | hi, how can I launch a command from ssh and then detach with the command continue running? |
| 00:15.31 | h725 | ssh target 'sleep 9 &' does not work |
| 00:15.33 | rawhite | ranix: sailing on the same ocean here :) |
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| 00:16.28 | ranix | they were still forwarding email to me and I got the alerts for services dying one by one as they went out, then the company wide email saying "we got bought by an indian multinational" |
| 00:16.30 | dvs | h725: ssh target 'nohup sleep 9 &' ? |
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| 00:16.45 | h725 | dvs nope |
| 00:16.46 | rawhite | lol |
| 00:16.51 | h725 | I treied that of course too |
| 00:16.55 | h725 | *tried |
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| 00:18.32 | rawhite | oh ranix and of course this + ultrashort deadline :) |
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| 00:20.00 | abrotman | streuner_: seriously? |
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| 00:21.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: why are you using ipmasq? |
| 00:21.59 | gnarface | abrotman: that seems uncharacteristic for streuner_ doesn't it? |
| 00:22.16 | gnarface | thought he was a regular here |
| 00:24.03 | abrotman | nsadmin: anyway .. you'd likely read the info about lsb tags, read about what you to do make it depend on networking, etc |
| 00:30.26 | nsadmin | it needs to run after all three interfaces are up (and one is up voa dhcp) |
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| 00:34.52 | nsadmin | why am I using ipmasq... it still works!. it's what I was using before, it does what I want... |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: okay, so make your script depend on networking? |
| 00:35.58 | dvs | nsadmin: I converted from ipmasq using http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 00:50.13 | Flynsarmy | is there an easy way to install php-fpm on debian without using the dotdeb PPA? |
| 00:50.28 | scientes | Flynsarmy, ppa is a ubuntu thing |
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| 00:51.02 | Flynsarmy | scientes: the dotdeb repo then? |
| 00:51.53 | scientes | Flynsarmy, is it in unstable? |
| 00:52.21 | scientes | http://packages.debian.org/sid/php5-fpm |
| 00:52.24 | scientes | !backport |
| 00:52.24 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 00:52.30 | scientes | just do a backport on it |
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| 00:53.25 | Rusty1_droid | 5.4.3-4 in testing and unstable |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | i can't imagine it would backport well .. he'd have to backport all of PHP i'd guess, which then leaves him on the hook for security issues |
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| 00:55.37 | Flynsarmy | scientes: how do I find out? sorry a bit of a noob |
| 00:55.45 | rawhite | ranix: but i did made it trought that :) |
| 00:55.50 | rawhite | using archive now |
| 00:56.03 | scientes | !dpkg tell Flynsarmy about simple sid backport |
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| 01:00.06 | nsadmin | !lsb tags |
| 01:00.07 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 01:02.14 | Flynsarmy | scientes: out of curiosity, why do i add teh deb-src but not deb line? what's the difference between teh two? |
| 01:02.31 | abrotman | Flynsarmy: you want sources, not binaries |
| 01:02.39 | nsadmin | Flynsarmy, deb gets you binaries |
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| 01:03.02 | nsadmin | (binaries from a relase you don't run will cause you problems) |
| 01:03.11 | scientes | Flynsarmy, are you using squeeze or wheezy? |
| 01:03.16 | Flynsarmy | scientes: squeeze |
| 01:03.25 | scientes | yeah then you should fallow those instructions |
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| 01:05.45 | yavapai | cant install debian asrock z77 mobo w/ i7 3770k |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:06.20 | dvs | probably too new |
| 01:06.23 | yavapai | debian the installer freezes first screen |
| 01:06.23 | nsadmin | what's a debian asrock? |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | nsadmin: asrock is a mobo company |
| 01:06.39 | yavapai | oh asrock motherboard |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | yavapai: which installer did you try? |
| 01:06.58 | yavapai | well its a new computor |
| 01:07.00 | yavapai | just built it |
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| 01:07.12 | yavapai | ubuntu and mint install fine |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | yavapai: which installer did you try? |
| 01:07.43 | yavapai | i tried i think all of them |
| 01:07.50 | dvs | heh |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | all what? |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | which ones? |
| 01:07.59 | yavapai | net,cd,dvd live etc |
| 01:08.12 | gezgin | Hello. Can I find the binaries and/or sources for iceweasel from squeeze-backports (9.0.1-1 in particular)? snapshot.debian org has it but I guess it is not the backported one. |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | *facebalm* |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | gezgin: you want an older version ? |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | yavapai: yes .. which version of those installers? |
| 01:08.36 | nsadmin | ok, so they need specific details. first, how did you obtain the inetsller? |
| 01:08.39 | gezgin | abrotman: Yes, indeed. |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | gezgin: you don't want the most recent? |
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| 01:09.08 | abrotman | gezgin: the backported versions are generally pretty close to the sdn ones |
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| 01:09.40 | gezgin | I have it on my amd64 install but this time I need i386 for compatibility with extensions etc. |
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| 01:12.22 | dizzylizzy | hmm, i think i'll reinstall gnash so my flash blocker works on youtube |
| 01:12.22 | nsadmin | yavapai, ok, so they need specific details, and you're not providing them. first we need to know EXACTLY which installer you used, so how did you obtain the installer and what was the exact file name? |
| 01:12.38 | nsadmin | dizzylizzy, if you go to youtube, what's the point of blocking flash? or, the other way, if you block, why go to youtube |
| 01:12.53 | dizzylizzy | nsadmin: i don't go to youtube to watch videos |
| 01:12.59 | gezgin | abrotman: Would you suggest I compile the one from sdn? |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | gezgin: you can try .. i don't see the sources at mozilla.debian.net either |
| 01:13.25 | dizzylizzy | nsadmin: i'm working on a shell script to give me a list of videos to download if I paste the watch?v= ID as an argument |
| 01:13.40 | gezgin | abrotman: Oh, I see. Thank you. |
| 01:13.55 | nsadmin | wouldn't that refer to just one video? |
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| 01:14.50 | nsadmin | dizzylizzy, so the script takes maybe a file of ids? |
| 01:14.50 | yavapai | the debian installer is on alpha1 |
| 01:15.03 | nsadmin | the name of the file |
| 01:15.07 | yavapai | where to find older installer? |
| 01:15.09 | nsadmin | what file name |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | yavapai: you wouldn't want an older installer |
| 01:15.28 | nsadmin | the file you downloaded has a name, what is that name |
| 01:16.16 | yavapai | right now i have mint running changed sources.list to debian testing and did a dist-upgrade |
| 01:16.24 | dizzylizzy | nsadmin: no i mean, it gives me a list of formats/qualities for a single video to pick the download. i only ever want to download one at a time, usually because somebody links me to one |
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| 01:16.45 | rawhite | could anyone tell me when i make a customcd and im installing debian with it and it is looking for a default mirror ... where does the installer get that information from ? |
| 01:16.45 | yavapai | how tu get rid of all mint stuff? |
| 01:16.46 | nsadmin | ahh ok |
| 01:16.55 | nsadmin | ask on #mint |
| 01:17.44 | nsadmin | rawhite, probably/presumably from a mirror list |
| 01:17.57 | rawhite | nsadmin: but where is that located in the end product iso ? :) |
| 01:18.06 | rawhite | nsadmin: i tought of changing that manually if prossibel |
| 01:18.19 | nsadmin | maybe it downloads it |
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| 01:18.36 | abrotman | rawhite: did you try to mount the ISO and grep through it? |
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| 01:20.11 | yavapai | any ideas on how to install debian if ubuntu and mint currently install? |
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| 01:20.19 | rawhite | abrotman: no :) nsadmin hmm downloads it from where ? :) |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | yavapai: we've asked multiple times .. which installer? |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | rawhite: that list is ON the CD |
| 01:20.36 | nsadmin | yavapai, you're failing to provide requested information |
| 01:20.41 | yavapai | ill get a list now |
| 01:21.17 | rawhite | abrotman: but where ? |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | rawhite: did you grep the contents of the CD ? |
| 01:21.34 | Sidney__ | what is the best way to install Nvidia drivers nvidia's way or Debian's way |
| 01:21.43 | yavapai | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:21.44 | nsadmin | rawhite, about 4 inches from the edge |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | Debian's |
| 01:21.52 | ranix | Sidney__: there is no good way, try debian's way and if it doesn't work try their way |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | yavapai: if that doesn't work, you can try a daily, but if that fails, you're out of luck |
| 01:22.17 | dvs | or give Kenshi a call |
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| 01:23.02 | rawhite | nsadmin: haha :P |
| 01:23.13 | rawhite | abrotman: what would i be grepping for ? |
| 01:23.46 | Sidney__ | ranix i installed using backports but the settings manager has a problem |
| 01:23.55 | nsadmin | you could grep all files for a mirror you know exists |
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| 01:24.24 | nsadmin | yavapai, had you tried a squeeze installer? |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | there is a .txt file for the mirrors on the ISO |
| 01:24.26 | rawhite | nsadmin: abrotman found it |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | i found it? |
| 01:24.34 | rawhite | its in a shtt txt file yes :) |
| 01:24.41 | rawhite | i found it :) |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | rawhite: well, try to alter that .. that's all i can say |
| 01:26.07 | yavapai | anyway to modify mint installer to install debian? |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | yavapai: ask the Mint people, we wouldn't know |
| 01:27.57 | jameslord | hi |
| 01:28.12 | jameslord | how to transfer two parameters to a shell function? |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 01:28.34 | abrotman | jameslord: you probably want #bash for shell programming |
| 01:28.39 | jameslord | transfer one param to function in shell seems like funcName para1 |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | assuming it's bash |
| 01:29.15 | jameslord | transfer two parameters to function seems not works using funcName para1, para2 |
| 01:29.29 | jameslord | abrotman dude, just tell:) |
| 01:30.26 | Sidney__ | Is there a way to view past updates |
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| 01:30.36 | abrotman | Sidney__: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 01:33.11 | Sidney__ | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/169351/ |
| 01:33.28 | abrotman | is there a question ? |
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| 01:33.50 | jameslord | abrotman dude, check my question, plz:) |
| 01:33.52 | abrotman | Sidney__: i generally don't do nvidia |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | jameslord: i'm willfully ignoring demands :) |
| 01:34.33 | jameslord | abrotman wow, sad :( |
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| 01:34.51 | Sidney__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | not sure who told you that |
| 01:35.42 | Sidney__ | that was the wrong file anyway |
| 01:36.08 | JordiGH | nvidia doesn't play with others. It won't share its ball and it says mean things to the other kids. |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | wonders where half the internets went |
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| 01:36.46 | nsadmin | got caugut by the interwebz and the etherbunny |
| 01:37.03 | asulil | good night all |
| 01:37.36 | jameslord | abrotman dude, ihave solved it without ur help:) |
| 01:37.46 | jameslord | abrotman lol:) |
| 01:37.49 | JordiGH | lol |
| 01:37.49 | abrotman | oh, the interwebs that do work told me that the webs that don't work are missing for everyone |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | jameslord: LOLOLOL FOLFEFOLFLLOL |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | Sidney__: what file are we waiting for ? |
| 01:38.45 | jameslord | abrotman meow:) |
| 01:38.59 | Sidney__ | dpkg |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | Sidney__: what problem are we trying to solve? |
| 01:39.25 | Sidney__ | I have to get it and dropbox to this computer |
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| 01:40.27 | jameslord | abrotman where are u from, dude;) |
| 01:40.58 | internat | hi guys.. looking for a idea here.. me and a mate want to vpn our houses so we can access the computers at each other sites... what are the best ways to accompish this? im using debian as my router.. he's using a billion 7404vnox.. we were aming for a bridged network.. thughts on how to achieve this? |
| 01:41.09 | Sidney__ | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/169357/ |
| 01:41.34 | abrotman | internat: how much stuff do you want to share? |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | Sidney__: what problem are we trying to solve? |
| 01:42.01 | internat | not a lot since were going over two adsl connections |
| 01:42.11 | internat | but hes got a few devices at his end, and i have a few at mine |
| 01:42.18 | nsadmin | internat, string and cans rated at cat-5 |
| 01:42.29 | internat | cant do that over 30kms :P |
| 01:42.38 | Sidney__ | my resoulution is 640x480 and cant be changed |
| 01:42.39 | nsadmin | how far apart are the houses |
| 01:42.49 | nsadmin | 30km? |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | Sidney__: you have to fix the nvidia driver .. that's not something i really know how to do |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | internat: pptp,openvpn,freeswan |
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| 01:43.56 | abrotman | Sidney__: did you /msg dpkg nvidia and read the wiki ? |
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| 01:45.03 | Sidney__ | reading the wiki now |
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| 01:45.56 | internat | yeah 30km |
| 01:46.05 | Sidney__ | I can't reinstall with synaptic because I cant see the bottons |
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| 01:49.08 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:50.25 | grimeton | hi |
| 01:50.40 | grimeton | is it possible to say dpkg to build a package from the already installed components? |
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| 01:50.54 | grimeton | like installing foo, deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/foo.deb and then recreating it with dpkg? |
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| 01:51.44 | abrotman | grimeton: dpkg-repack |
| 01:51.51 | grimeton | thanks |
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| 01:54.38 | ner0x | Any nullmailer wiz kids in here/ |
| 01:54.39 | ner0x | ?* |
| 01:54.56 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 01:54.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:56.07 | ner0x | Can someone point me in the direction of simple, easy to configure, nullmailer that I can just push mail from. |
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| 01:57.26 | abrotman | ner0x: like .. 'nullmaller' ? |
| 01:57.39 | ner0x | never heard of it. |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | judd: info nullmailer |
| 01:57.49 | judd | Package nullmailer (mail, extra) in squeeze/i386: simple relay-only mail transport agent. Version: 1:1.04-1.2; Size: 89.1k; Installed: 388k; Homepage: http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | also see ssmtp |
| 01:58.39 | ner0x | looks it up. |
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| 01:59.51 | ner0x | I guess I should ask, do you need an smtp server to do nullmailing? |
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| 02:01.27 | abrotman | ner0x: depends .. what's esnding the mail ? |
| 02:01.41 | ner0x | sendmail |
| 02:01.47 | ner0x | A webserver |
| 02:01.52 | ner0x | using sendmail. |
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| 02:02.47 | abrotman | not really what i meant ... |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | is there some scripting language that could maybe talk directly to your mail server? |
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| 02:03.20 | ner0x | Oh, I'm using a Catalyst framework. Perl. |
| 02:03.35 | gnarface | heh framework |
| 02:03.52 | gnarface | rolls his eyes |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | ner0x: anyway, it's generally a good idea to have an SMTP server of some sort to deliver logs, etc from the sstem |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | system |
| 02:04.21 | ner0x | gnarface: http://www.catalystframework.org/ |
| 02:04.21 | gnarface | ner0x: how come you can't just write a 5 line perl shell script? |
| 02:04.56 | ner0x | gnarface: Of course I can, it's incorporated in a much larger app. Just never really did email before. |
| 02:05.15 | ner0x | abrotman: I'll be sending quite a bit of mail. |
| 02:05.57 | gnarface | ner0x: well its just MY opinion but spamming the shit out of people is way easier in bare perl than it is to use ... really any conceivable other solution. that's just *my* opinion though. |
| 02:06.40 | ner0x | gnarface: 1) not spam. :-) 2) it can be bare perl inside the app. |
| 02:07.05 | gnarface | ner0x: right "direct marketing" ... whatever. |
| 02:07.16 | gnarface | used to work for the advertising industry too |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | ner0x: so what? |
| 02:07.38 | ner0x | gnarface: Not that either. |
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| 02:07.45 | abrotman | ner0x: i fail to see what that has to do with sending system reports to an admin |
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| 02:08.27 | ner0x | abrotman: It's not a sys-report to an admin. Invitations to projects. |
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| 02:11.36 | zukalk | hi. i'm trying to forbid a certain version of a package so that apt-get dist-upgrade won't install it, but i can only find forbid-version for aptitude, which seems to have no effect on apt-get |
| 02:13.13 | gnarface | zukalk: you want pinning. ask the dpkg bot |
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| 02:13.31 | zukalk | gnarface, thanks |
| 02:14.00 | gnarface | np |
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| 02:17.00 | abrotman | ner0x: you're missing the point |
| 02:18.28 | gnarface | ner0x: you're missing the point because you've already discarded the *easier* solution, as far as i understand your problem, you're looking amongst the hard solutions for something easier than what you already decided was too hard. |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | that wasn't my point .. but okay! |
| 02:20.02 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:20.05 | gnarface | well that was my point |
| 02:20.10 | gnarface | i thought yours was the same |
| 02:20.14 | gnarface | please continue |
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| 02:20.24 | ranix | personally I would just echo shit and redirect it to sendmail |
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| 02:21.59 | zukalk | about this pinning thing (i've solved my problem btw), shouldn't there be a better interface into version pinning? messing with the apt prefs file isn't particularly elegant |
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| 02:23.55 | gnarface | zukalk: eh... maybe, but from my perspective the thing you're doing when pinning is far less elegant... i try to combat problems instead of symptoms. i realize that's backwards from the way traditional software development has gone but really... saves a ton of headaches that no amount of pretty gui is ever gonna really mitigate |
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| 02:24.45 | Sidney__ | where can I find my monitor config |
| 02:24.54 | zukalk | gnarface, i'm not asking for any gui (wouldn't want it either), just a simple dpkg --forbid-version, just like for aptitude |
| 02:25.05 | abrotman | zukalk: file a wishlist |
| 02:25.22 | zukalk | hm, maybe |
| 02:25.35 | gnarface | zukalk: oh. well... aptitude *was* created for reasons... but can't you create a /etc/apt/pinning file or something like that with at least simplified syntax from just putting it in apt.conf? |
| 02:26.02 | gnarface | figured the bot would have known |
| 02:26.21 | zukalk | gnarface, i guess |
| 02:26.46 | gnarface | i always try to ask myself a series of questions first like 1) are my requirements sane, 2) are my requirements actually requirements 3) why aren't my requirements anyone else's requirements 4) do i in fact have SNS? |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | looks at his hat .. :( |
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| 02:27.46 | gnarface | sometimes there are valid reasons to pin but they usually constitute distribution bugs in testing/unstable.... |
| 02:28.09 | gnarface | and in those cases often are due to problems specific to only certain rare/old/unpopular hardware |
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| 02:28.20 | ner0x | gnarface: I don't *need* the app to do it. |
| 02:28.26 | gnarface | ...or compatibility issues with low-quality out-of-distro software |
| 02:28.47 | ner0x | gnarface: But the app is there, and it's already part of it's function. Adding to it will be easier. I'm just looking to set up the sendmail command behind it. |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | gave two answers 30 minutes ago |
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| 02:29.24 | ner0x | ssmtp & nullmailer |
| 02:29.30 | gnarface | ner0x: that sounds totally different from what i thought your problem was. what's wrong with man sendmail? |
| 02:30.26 | ner0x | gnarface: nothing at all. I just need a program that will provide it and can do so without an smtp server. |
| 02:30.35 | ner0x | gnarface: Single gmail will shut me down if I send 1000 emails a day. lol |
| 02:30.40 | gnarface | ner0x: (fyi even though exim4 is debian's default system mailer, its command-line compatible with more or less any sendmail command you're gonna need, and there should even be a symlink to it from /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | oh i know ! ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 02:30.58 | gnarface | hahaha |
| 02:31.14 | ner0x | I mean, if they can do it without a smtp server inbetween then I'm game for either. |
| 02:31.32 | gnarface | wonders why everyone thinks gmail is so great |
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| 02:31.44 | ner0x | I don't, it's just what came with the domain. |
| 02:31.52 | gnarface | only uses it to keep his parents from knowing his real email address |
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| 02:32.42 | ner0x | I'm sure there are mail hosts out there that would let me send as much as I need a day. |
| 02:32.54 | gnarface | most of them are in the czech republic |
| 02:33.00 | gnarface | in fact i think i can give you the ip addresses |
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| 02:35.21 | gnarface | here hang on |
| 02:36.02 | Sidney__ | how do i add monitor config to xorg.config |
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| 02:39.20 | gnarface | ner0x: here, i get a shit ton of spam from these assholes (or their customers, to be more specific): http://steephost.com/ i think they're in the ukraine. i doubt they have any morals at all. their "report abuse to.." spam is probably just something they have so they can read and laugh at angry people complaining when its a slow work day |
| 02:39.33 | gnarface | ner0x: enjoy! |
| 02:39.40 | ner0x | ... lol |
| 02:40.37 | ner0x | exit |
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| 02:41.13 | abrotman | ner0x: you need a / |
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| 02:42.12 | gnarface | Sidney__: for starters, its xorg.conf.... once you know that reading its man page should be pretty easy. you will want official specs on the monitor though. want me to give you an example xorg.conf? (sorry its nvidia specific and has many monitors in it, and the description fields for the video card aren't all updated to the current hardware i'm actually using it for) |
| 02:43.45 | ner0x | I was wondering where that went. |
| 02:43.50 | ner0x | Ugh... long day. I need a break. |
| 02:44.04 | mroe | I am trying to verify a user can access a certain tls key file |
| 02:44.22 | mroe | I am running: su - openldap -s /bin/bash -c 'openssl x509 -noout -subject -in /etc/ssl/private/foo.key' |
| 02:44.34 | gnarface | Sidney__: actually unless you're using multiple displays and a nvidia card it might even be harmful to you. maybe its best you run Xorg -configure to see if you can get a auto-detected one to start from then just edit it? also you can just put the relevant subsections you need into files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ... you no longer need the whole thing just to specify a couple parameters |
| 02:44.58 | mroe | when I run ls -l on that folder I can clearly see that that file's permissions are: 644 |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | mroe: and the folder? |
| 02:45.14 | gnarface | Sidney__: hmm. or at least i think its /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d... something like that |
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| 02:45.42 | mroe | abrotman: you'r a genius |
| 02:45.45 | mroe | let me adjust |
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| 02:46.30 | abrotman | gnarface: hear that?! i'm a genius? you just had someone mess with your face! |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | or something |
| 02:46.54 | gnarface | LOL |
| 02:47.50 | Waryl | is there any way to restore fontconfig to its default settings, including the files/symlinks it provides? dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config only changes a couple of files |
| 02:48.01 | Sidney__ | gnarface this is a analog monitor |
| 02:48.19 | gnarface | Sidney__: so are mine. that's not actually relevant to the syntax itself |
| 02:49.49 | Sidney__ | so i need to find the spec on my monitor? |
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| 02:50.17 | gnarface | Sidney__: well... only really if Xorg failed to auto-detect it correctly, which is i assume why you're asking |
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| 02:51.08 | Sidney__ | one of these logs mentioned auto detect not working |
| 02:51.25 | gnarface | Sidney__: it has a long history of sucking ass, yes |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | isn't there some nvidia-config that's supposed to do all of this? |
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| 02:52.39 | gnarface | abrotman: sure, but only if he's using a nvidia card, and it isn't any better at guessing the correct horizontal+vertical refresh ranges for a monitor that's missing an EDID or has one that is inaccurate |
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| 02:53.42 | gnarface | abrotman: just like the Xorg -configure and ... whatever ATI users do, you still end up with a xorg.conf you have to manually tweak after consulting the official specs from the manufacturer |
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| 02:54.12 | abrotman | hugs intel |
| 02:54.19 | gnarface | indeed |
| 02:55.01 | Sidney__ | gnarface, how do I run the auto detect |
| 02:55.59 | gnarface | Sidney__: Xorg -configure i think is the current way. there are a couple alternate tools that may still be in existance (XConfigurator anyone?) though and if you're using someone's non-free binary drivers well, you need to use their tool |
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| 02:57.20 | JRWR | I'm looking for a guide to make the smalled debian install I can, something that will really only run one network service on it and nothing else, most guides I'm finding are useless, wanted to know if anyone in here knew of any good resources to look into |
| 02:58.42 | gnarface | JRWR: do an expert install, at the end of the thing when it shows you checkboxes for what type of system to make it (server, desktop, dns, mail, database, standard... i forget what all the options are) just don't select *anything* ... then only apt-get what you actually need. |
| 02:59.09 | Waryl | use the businesscard image? |
| 02:59.33 | gnarface | Waryl: that only affects how much you have to download up front, not how much ends up in the actual final install |
| 03:00.26 | ner0x | gnarface: http://www.smtp.com/ |
| 03:00.31 | Sidney__ | gnarface, I think I found the correct file http://paste.debian.net/169351/ |
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| 03:00.44 | gnarface | ner0x: why are you showing me this? |
| 03:02.01 | gnarface | Sidney__: looks like a nvidia binary driver install. it should have asked you during install whether you wanted it to create an xorg.conf for you or not. also from this i can't tell what's wrong. is it just that you wanted a higher default resolution than 640x480? |
| 03:02.03 | ner0x | gnarface: Seems like a normal place/way to smtp out emails? |
| 03:02.09 | ner0x | gnarface: You seemed to be the expert. |
| 03:02.15 | gnarface | ner0x: hardly |
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| 03:03.18 | Sidney__ | yes at least 1620x1200 |
| 03:03.22 | gnarface | ner0x: never heard of them actually but they certainly look like a dedicated spam house. i can't tell you anything about their product offerings though so ... i really can't respond to you with anything of value |
| 03:03.29 | gnarface | Sidney__: are you on that desktop right now? |
| 03:03.40 | Sidney__ | it next to m,e |
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| 03:04.13 | gnarface | Sidney__: well... did you try running nvidia-settings as your current user from within the running X instance? |
| 03:04.15 | Sidney__ | it's on and ready |
| 03:04.29 | ner0x | gnarface: Sounds good to me! ... lol |
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| 03:05.06 | gnarface | notes that ner0x values my disgusted reaction to their homepage as a sign of quality service |
| 03:05.58 | gnarface | Sidney__: let me know if that starts and gives you shit to play with that you're looking for. |
| 03:06.39 | gnarface | Sidney__: also... just fyi... this nvidia binary driver garbage is something i am fairly well versed in but i don't want to give you the impression that its supported by debian or even on-topic in #debian |
| 03:06.51 | Sidney__ | yes in did that but the res is so low the window spans two desktops |
| 03:07.47 | gnarface | Sidney__: well one of the tabs in there lets you set resolutions and stuff i think. no? you're gonna have to do SOME of the work yourself here. come on man. find some nutstraps and pull yourself up by them |
| 03:08.43 | Sidney__ | when i attempt to change the res the window changes size |
| 03:08.52 | gnarface | Sidney__: should give you all kinds of useful stuff, maybe even temperature readouts and color calibration utilities (depending on your specific driver+hardware version combo) ... making it permanent is a separate issue |
| 03:09.09 | gnarface | Sidney__: clarify? sounds like expected behavior to me.... |
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| 03:09.33 | mroe | I'm trying to use tcp wrappers to secure ldaps |
| 03:09.48 | ner0x | gnarface: I'm not actually spamming anyone. They are inboxes set up to receive invitations to bid projects so it's expected. |
| 03:10.19 | gnarface | Sidney__: is english your first language? you seem to speak very well but by the lack of detail in your responses i'm not clear on whether you're really comprehending everything i'm telling you |
| 03:10.25 | JRWR | gnarface: I end up with about 700MB install that way... |
| 03:10.28 | Sidney__ | the only thing I'm able to change is Hz |
| 03:10.33 | JRWR | thats with everything deselected |
| 03:10.39 | mroe | hosts.allow has: slapd: 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0, 127.0.0.1, 216.xxx.xxx.0/255.255.255.0 |
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| 03:10.57 | mroe | and hosts.deny has: slapd: all |
| 03:11.47 | gnarface | ner0x: dude... i'm not telling anyone how to live their lives, and my advice about just doing it with perl as well as abrotman's advice (probably better advice actually) about ssmtp(?) and nullmailer were honest bits of advice that were not restrained in any way based on our judgement of what you're doing. i don't have any magical one-button cure for you that i'm witholding because i'm judging you. don't make the mistake of ass |
| 03:11.48 | gnarface | uming that just because i'm judging you :-p |
| 03:11.57 | mroe | however when I enable that I can't connect to ldaps from 216.xxx.xxx.242 |
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| 03:12.40 | Sidney__ | gnarface, i AM UNABLE TO CHANGE THE RES WITH nVIDIA -SETTINGS |
| 03:12.42 | johnfg | How can I find out what version of love may be in backports? |
| 03:12.44 | gnarface | JRWR: wow. sounds like its come up a bit since i last paid attention :-/ is this an amd64 system? also, which version of debian? |
| 03:12.46 | Sidney__ | SSORRY |
| 03:13.03 | Sidney__ | sorry caps lock |
| 03:13.11 | trysten | laughs |
| 03:13.27 | caps_lock | it's ok man |
| 03:13.40 | JRWR | yes it was amd64 |
| 03:13.51 | JRWR | and I think it was lenny |
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| 03:16.19 | gnarface | Sidney__: oh. well that's unfortunate... maybe its due to the prior auto-detection failing. i don't actually know. try re-running the nvidia installer (as root, without X running) or check its man page (its called nvidia-installer) for possible options that may include re-running the auto-configuration util without a full-re-install. chances are you're still gonna have to buckle down and read *some* of the xorg.conf man page |
| 03:16.19 | gnarface | though because really... this is elementary basic shit your'e tripping up on, and due to your choice of driver its also off-topic for #debian |
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| 03:17.37 | gnarface | JRWR: 1) lenny is deprecated 2) amd64 libraries and binaries will be inherently bigger than their i386 counterparts 3) starting with wheezy multiarch is gonna make everything even bigger than that. |
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| 03:18.39 | gnarface | JRWR: not gonna get any smaller without a manually customized install or going to an embedded distro, as far as i know (someone else in here may have better tricks for you though... scripts to remove all documentation and man pages for example and recompile all binaries with -S instead of -Osomething maybe) |
| 03:18.42 | Sidney__ | backport is not a part of Debian? |
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| 03:19.01 | gnarface | Sidney__: not like you're thinking, really |
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| 03:19.33 | Sidney__ | ok not official |
| 03:19.54 | johnfg | love, even in wheezy is behind in versions a couple. I see though that it's available in a deb for ubuntu. Would that install on this squeeze machine? |
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| 03:24.00 | johnfg | Is there a way to install that ubuntu .deb pkg on squeeze? |
| 03:24.03 | gnarface | Sidney__: literally, just to be clear here... from what your description of the problem is and the brief glance i had at your xorg.conf... you should be able to fix this problem by changing maybe only even 3 lines in your existing xorg.conf (or whatever nvidia-installer spits out the next time your run it) assuming you read the damned xorg.conf man page ffs |
| 03:24.25 | simonlnu | johnfg: i wouldn't do that... |
| 03:24.43 | gnarface | johnfg: not any that are advised or supported. |
| 03:24.54 | johnfg | I wanted to get a game goin' for my son, so it's not like critical or crucial or anything. |
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| 03:25.53 | gnarface | johnfg: here's what i advise.... take a FULL DISK BACKUP FIRST ... expect to have to restore from it when you're done, or months later down the road when you realize just how badly it fucked you over |
| 03:26.34 | johnfg | gnarface, Well thanks for the advice, and watch the language, please. |
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| 03:26.57 | gnarface | johnfg: it would be much better for you to compile it yourself and use some tool like checkinstall to make it safely removeable |
| 03:27.19 | gnarface | johnfg: and i will *not* watch my language. toughen up, please |
| 03:27.23 | trysten | johnfg: gnarface only speaks english |
| 03:27.34 | trysten | gnarface: :P |
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| 03:27.49 | gnarface | does not represent debian in any official capacity or even unofficial capacity ... feels pity on anyone who mistakes members of #debian for people who do |
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| 03:28.12 | trysten | represents all official bodies as well as unofficial ones. |
| 03:28.13 | johnfg | gnarface, Ya, am trying to config now, but I'm lacking SDL_Init. |
| 03:28.47 | gnarface | johnfg: which suggests you're lacking relevant [something]sdl[something]-dev packages |
| 03:28.51 | gnarface | package(s) to be clear |
| 03:29.05 | johnfg | Ya, I'll look for that. |
| 03:29.36 | gnarface | johnfg: in debian, contrasting to old school redhat for example, all compilation headers and reqs are in [packagename]-dev instead of being installed by default along with [packagename] which is runtime-only in debian. follow me? |
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| 03:31.24 | gnarface | johnfg: the output of this may be helpful to you: apt-cache search libsdl.*dev |
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| 03:31.33 | gnarface | johnfg: maybe more helpful if you know some basics of regex |
| 03:32.09 | johnfg | gnarface, Ya, I do, I'll see if I wanna go to the trouble... |
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| 03:32.52 | irock_ | i tried to install squeeze on vmware enabling the GUI option, but after installation and when i tried to reboot, it goes into a loop of resizing the vmware window between two sizes |
| 03:33.11 | gnarface | johnfg: swappable SATA drives FTW.... |
| 03:33.14 | irock_ | debian packages, installing and removing VS. not installing - any differnece |
| 03:34.16 | JoeHazzers | caches. |
| 03:34.25 | johnfg | gnarface, Ya sure that last was to me? |
| 03:36.08 | gnarface | johnfg: oh yes, quite certain |
| 03:37.17 | gnarface | johnfg: if you're missing the relevance, it goes back to my initial statement about taking a full disk backup before compiling [random non-distro shit, especially video games] just for the purpose of playing them with someone |
| 03:37.42 | Sidney__ | when I save my x configuration file should I merge with existing file |
| 03:37.49 | johnfg | gnarface, guess I'm not followin... |
| 03:38.09 | johnfg | gnarface, Ok, got it. |
| 03:38.16 | gnarface | haha |
| 03:39.03 | gnarface | johnfg: i was just about to reply 'i can't save you then, you'll get it one day though, probably minutes after realizing "make install" just hosed your whole system' |
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| 03:39.55 | gnarface | Sidney__: not unless you put work into customizing it initially. it would be a good idea to keep a backup though of the original. what you get may end up being WORSE |
| 03:41.53 | trysten | whats the name of the package bot |
| 03:42.13 | gnarface | trysten: judd |
| 03:42.34 | johnfg | gnarface, Well, dating back to the pre-commercial redhat days, I almost always built my own packages. I just don't have to do it hardly ever in debian and that's a good thing. |
| 03:42.44 | johnfg | But it's never trashed my system. |
| 03:42.54 | trysten | judd, tell me help |
| 03:43.04 | Sidney__ | I have it set @ 1680x1050 |
| 03:43.26 | gnarface | johnfg: checkinstall is a good friend, i highly recommend looking into it. |
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| 03:45.01 | gnarface | Sidney__: hooraay! |
| 03:45.06 | johnfg | gnarface, I will. btw...you running squeeze or testing? |
| 03:45.18 | gnarface | Sidney__: so it wasn't that hard right? |
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| 03:45.33 | Sidney__ | right and thanks |
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| 03:46.39 | gnarface | johnfg: testing occasionally but rarely (it pisses me off) some total of 27-35 squeeze boxes, one sid box (currently) |
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| 03:47.48 | Sidney__ | sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak??? |
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| 03:48.17 | gnarface | Sidney__: you asking for permission from us to put your backup there? |
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| 03:48.44 | gnarface | Sidney__: put it wherever you want. i try to put mine somewhere in my home dir though.... |
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| 03:49.08 | nurupo | need a little help -> http://paste.kde.org/481562/ |
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| 03:50.35 | lru | ok, so I have a package, say libfoo, which I want to rename to libfoo0.... how do I adjust the control file so that apt-get upgrade will upgrade to it automatically? |
| 03:50.52 | lru | this is on squeeze |
| 03:51.19 | gnarface | johnfg: the 27-35 figure depends on whether you count only machines doing shit or also stuff i can't really use but installed squeeze on it just for fun like old laptops from the 90's |
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| 03:51.34 | sanitypassing | can anyone recommend a GUI utility for transcoding audio? |
| 03:52.04 | gnarface | sanitypassing: there are some but i can't recommend any of them honestly. nothing beats ffmpeg |
| 03:52.25 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 03:52.49 | nevyn | sanitypassing: it's a oneliner commandline why use a gui? |
| 03:52.57 | Sidney__ | gnarface, the first sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the save command and the rest denotes where? |
| 03:53.44 | nevyn | sanitypassing: but glame maybe? |
| 03:53.53 | gnarface | Sidney__: sudo says "as root please" cp says "copy" the rest are the [from] and [to] locations |
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| 03:54.20 | irock_ | debian packages, installing and removing VS. not installing - any differnece |
| 03:54.38 | gnarface | Sidney__: non-root users by default can't write to that directory, so if you were already root, then "sudo" is not required |
| 03:55.27 | nevyn | irock_: depends how removing the removing is. |
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| 03:55.45 | irock_ | nevyn: i am using aptitude |
| 03:55.47 | nevyn | irock_: apt-get remove doesn't delete config files |
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| 03:56.09 | nevyn | you'd need to purge to get back to the same state as never having installed it |
| 03:56.12 | irock_ | nevyn: ok, what about aptitude, if i want to move conf files too, how do i do it ? |
| 03:56.21 | nevyn | purge |
| 03:56.29 | nevyn | with _ if you're in the tui |
| 03:57.23 | irock_ | nevyn: ? |
| 03:57.30 | irock_ | nevyn: I searched and found this : aptitude purge '~c' |
| 03:57.47 | irock_ | nevyn: i am using command line, what is tui ? |
| 03:57.56 | nevyn | run aptitude without a command |
| 03:57.59 | nevyn | so sudo aptitue |
| 03:58.02 | nevyn | so sudo aptitude |
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| 03:59.23 | indicator | Hi, I would like to start the hwclock service automatically on boot. What is suggested? |
| 03:59.49 | irock_ | nevyn: its saying loading cache, can you tell the exact command ? |
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| 04:00.05 | indicator | nevyn, oh hey, :O |
| 04:00.22 | nevyn | irock_: so... what you're looking at is the TUI |
| 04:00.27 | irock_ | nevyn: ok... |
| 04:00.28 | nevyn | it's like a GUI but text. |
| 04:00.41 | irock_ | nevyn: got it.. what are locally installed packages ? |
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| 04:01.55 | irock_ | nevyn: nvm searching.. |
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| 04:02.29 | irock_ | nevyn: can you |
| 04:02.33 | irock_ | i tried to install squeeze on vmware enabling the GUI option, but after installation and when i tried to reboot, it goes into a loop of resizing the vmware window between two sizes |
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| 04:04.01 | nevyn | obsolete and locally created packages you mean? |
| 04:04.20 | nevyn | package shtat don't exist in a release or the repo anymore. |
| 04:04.48 | andornaut | I'm seeing a bunch of IO errors in dmesg. I just replaced my motherboard (after a btrfs fs corruption) thinking that i had a bad ata controller. Now, I'm seeing very similar symptoms to my earlier experience w/ btrfs, but now with ext4. The system is running, but the fs was automatically remounted ro after the io errors. Anyone up for helping me out with troubleshooting this? |
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| 04:05.40 | irock_ | nevyn: yes |
| 04:05.44 | nevyn | andornaut: boot the initrd and fsck the filesystem |
| 04:05.52 | irock_ | nevyn: it says locally created packages |
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| 04:06.36 | irock_ | nevyn: can you help with this : i tried to install squeeze on vmware enabling the GUI option, but after installation and when i tried to reboot, it goes into a loop of resizing the vmware window between two sizes |
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| 04:07.07 | andornaut | nevyn: k. Is there anything i can do to tell definitively where the problem lies? Im thinking the HDDs (ssdx2 raid0) but im not 100% |
| 04:07.20 | irock_ | i did apt-get upgrade but due to an error, it stopped |
| 04:07.35 | irock_ | how do i make it ignore and do for all the other packages ? without stopping |
| 04:07.54 | cheese1756 | What error did you get? |
| 04:08.15 | irock_ | i lost the screen |
| 04:08.24 | irock_ | don't remember, gave an error on squid |
| 04:09.31 | irock_ | cheese1756: |
| 04:09.49 | irock_ | its sub-proces /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:09.59 | cheese1756 | That's odd. Does dpkg work fine? |
| 04:10.21 | irock_ | yes |
| 04:10.28 | irock_ | the cause was lack of an init file |
| 04:10.34 | irock_ | i fixed by putting init file |
| 04:10.44 | cheese1756 | Great. Does it work now? |
| 04:10.50 | irock_ | how can i make upt-get upgrade automtaically overwrite the conf files ? |
| 04:11.08 | irock_ | yes |
| 04:11.14 | cheese1756 | Are you sure you want to do that? You could use --force-yes or something, I believe. I haven't tested that, though |
| 04:11.24 | irock_ | ok |
| 04:11.29 | cheese1756 | There might be a specific option for config files |
| 04:11.30 | irock_ | do you use vmware ? |
| 04:11.33 | cheese1756 | Check the man pages |
| 04:11.35 | cheese1756 | I don't, know |
| 04:11.40 | cheese1756 | *no |
| 04:11.42 | irock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.43 | irock_ | ok |
| 04:11.47 | andornaut | I just tried booting sysrescuecd and i get "COMRESET failed (errno=-16) \ ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)" then it finally boots up after about 30seconds :-/ |
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| 04:13.01 | aypea[0] | should insserv be able to recreate the rc?.d links for, say, reboot for eg? |
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| 04:16.28 | acu | hey guys - does anyone know about AMD motherboards (preferablly for Interlogs or Bulldozer) with remote management (simmilar to ILO3 from HP) ? |
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| 04:48.49 | i8igmac | i have just installed a 64 bit debian os for the first time and im confused on this wine install process |
| 04:49.36 | i8igmac | i thought deb packages are stand alone executables that will extract and install with no effort |
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| 04:54.21 | gnarface | i8igmac: 1) there's nothing easy about wine 2) even if you're on the 64-bit os you still want the 32-bit wine because your games are 32-bit (yes even *that one by blizzard* that just came out 2 days ago) 3) there is more to it than that, but that's all the help i'll give you because i'm leaving now to get drunk(er) and watch some Farscape re-runs. good luck... fyi... #winehq |
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| 04:55.02 | i8igmac | so i need this one i386 packages wine-unstable_1.5.4-0.1_i386.deb |
| 04:55.05 | i8igmac | ? |
| 04:55.52 | i8igmac | im looking at a list of deb files from this page http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 04:56.05 | i8igmac | iive gone cross eyed |
| 04:58.53 | i8igmac | so, tried to download and install i386 and it said Wrong architecture |
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| 04:59.50 | LtL | i8igmac: what does uname -ar say |
| 05:00.12 | i8igmac | Linux bigmac 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 4 22:48:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:00.29 | LtL | i8igmac: you want the amd64 deb |
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| 05:03.51 | i8igmac | each file gives me error |
| 05:03.54 | gyaresu | Quick question. Is logwatch.conf supposed to have default settings because it's empty. Running logwatch though does bring up info about httpd & ipitables etc. Where is it getting it's default config from? |
| 05:04.54 | i8igmac | error dependency is not satisfiable: wine~bin-unstable 1.5.4-0.1 |
| 05:05.20 | i8igmac | i have to install with command line and not gdebi? |
| 05:05.33 | LtL | i8igmac: try using aptitude |
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| 05:12.38 | i8igmac | this is frustrating... |
| 05:12.48 | i8igmac | i shall format back to windows soon |
| 05:13.21 | i8igmac | not really but... loose this crap xfce |
| 05:14.09 | i8igmac | wine-unstable_1.5.4-0.1.debian.tar.bz2 |
| 05:14.14 | i8igmac | what do i do with this file |
| 05:14.20 | i8igmac | extract to tmp |
| 05:14.23 | i8igmac | then what? |
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| 05:16.13 | i8igmac | every binary file gives me errors |
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| 05:18.29 | i8igmac | download every deb package on the page and tyr to install all of them |
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| 05:33.25 | Mogget | When i do a 'apt-get install harden-doc'. Where is those documents installed? |
| 05:33.41 | civillian | Mogget: usually /usr/share/doc |
| 05:33.54 | civillian | that's where 'man' reads it's docs from too, so try 'man harden' |
| 05:34.34 | civillian | you can also use dpkg -L harden-doc to see exactly which files that package provides |
| 05:34.35 | Mogget | man harden did not work, but the documents is in /usr/share/ |
| 05:35.00 | Mogget | nice, good advice |
| 05:35.07 | Mogget | Thank you. |
| 05:35.13 | civillian | no probs :) |
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| 05:44.58 | dizzylizzy | just subscribed to debian-user |
| 05:45.05 | dizzylizzy | got my filters set up |
| 05:45.07 | dizzylizzy | mua ha ha |
| 05:45.51 | cryptic | has anyone else encountered problems with busybox while installing wheezy? |
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| 05:47.42 | ectospasm | cryptic: define "problems" |
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| 05:49.17 | cryptic | ectospasm: "An error was returned while trying to install the busybox pacage onto the target system" with this entry in /var/log/syslog: "Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/linux testing _Wheezy_ - official snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20120518-03:15]/pool/main/b/busybox/busybox_1.19.3-7_amd64.deb |
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| 05:50.02 | ectospasm | cryptic: did you check the sum of your ISO before you burned it? |
| 05:50.27 | cryptic | no ectospasm |
| 05:50.41 | ectospasm | tsk tsk |
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| 05:50.57 | cryptic | at least I was honest! |
| 05:51.28 | lru | what is the proper dependency sequence to upgrade a library when it gets renamed from libfoo to libfoo0 ? |
| 05:51.39 | ectospasm | check the sum, if necessary re-download, reburn, and reinstall. |
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| 05:51.53 | cryptic | alright, thank you |
| 05:52.12 | lru | I tried adding Depends, Replaces, Conflicts, and Provides, but apt-get upgrade will not upgrade it automatically |
| 05:52.36 | cryptic | chances are, it's an incompatability with unetbootin |
| 05:52.53 | ectospasm | could be, I've had mixed results with unetbootin |
| 05:53.07 | ectospasm | besides, with the latest ISOs, you don't need unetbootin, just dd |
| 05:53.39 | cryptic | wishes windows had dd |
| 05:54.13 | nsadmin | dd is just a byte transfer program, for windows there is something called rawrite |
| 05:54.25 | Diopter | Or dd.exe |
| 05:54.44 | Diopter | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd for instance |
| 05:55.03 | cryptic | thanks Diopter |
| 05:55.16 | Diopter | yarp |
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| 05:57.24 | Tekk_ | how do I have the debian installer's bootloader use text only mode? trying to install on qemu with -curses |
| 05:57.45 | nsadmin | Mogget, you can look at the file list like this: dpkg -L harden-doc |
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| 06:06.02 | tapout | if i am overwriting a partition, does it matter if it was GPT (guid partition) ... it gives a warning, but i think it shouldn't matter |
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| 06:06.24 | Diopter | tapout: Overwriting it with a partitioning tool? Or just with dd or something? |
| 06:07.47 | Diopter | tapout: The basic answer is it doesn't matter, though GPT does keep a partition backup that's not at the beginning of the disk |
| 06:08.21 | tapout | with fdisk |
| 06:08.38 | tapout | !what-provides gdisk |
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| 06:09.07 | Diopter | tapout: Just mklabel it. |
| 06:09.25 | Diopter | Er, wait, you said overwriting a partition. Not partition table, necessarily. |
| 06:09.41 | Diopter | tapout: I'm confused. You're using fdisk on a GPT to change a partition? Don't do that |
| 06:09.46 | Diopter | tapout: Use parted or gdisk. |
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| 06:11.22 | tapout | i'm installing gdisk :) |
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| 06:13.38 | cryptic | I have a bad feeling that all this work will just reveal that it's uncomfortable to use windows 7 as a xen guest |
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| 06:14.26 | Diopter | cryptic: Xen runs Win7 and W2k8 just fine. |
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| 06:15.40 | cryptic | Diopter: my plan is to use win7 as my normal os with two linux guests alongside it, just to avoid using vmware |
| 06:16.16 | Diopter | cryptic: That sounds like a really bad idea. Why would you do that? You could run Linux with a Win7 guest using, for instance, libvirt + kvm |
| 06:16.27 | Diopter | cryptic: And you would get better performance and a much better host OS experience |
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| 06:16.36 | cryptic | Diopter: why's that? |
| 06:17.05 | Diopter | cryptic: Because KVM on Linux is a much more robust hypervisor platform than *anything* on a Windows host. |
| 06:17.22 | cryptic | oh, sorry, I misspoke |
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| 06:18.18 | cryptic | the host is debian, and I was looking to use xen to run windows as a guest using hvm |
| 06:18.42 | cryptic | libvert + kvm is more robust than xen? |
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| 06:19.25 | Diopter | cryptic: It depends on what precisely you want to do. |
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| 06:19.39 | Diopter | If I comment on that, I have to disclaim it. |
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| 06:20.11 | ladowacharpuny | my xfce toolbar (weather, clock etc) don't remember settings after reboot, and reset to default / debian wheezy xfce4 :( |
| 06:20.12 | Diopter | I engineer and deploy libvirt+kvm hypervisor clusters for a living, but my company's enormous public cloud uses libvirt+xen currently |
| 06:20.20 | cryptic | Diopter: well, I'll be working in windows mostly. the reason I'm looking to go this route in the first place is because I typically run between one and three vmware instances, and it's just horrific |
| 06:20.47 | Diopter | cryptic: I can definitely say that xen is More different from a native Linuxy way of doing things than KVM |
| 06:21.02 | Diopter | Which can make administration more difficult. |
| 06:21.21 | Diopter | cryptic: Why will you be working in windows mostly? |
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| 06:21.54 | cryptic | Diopter: it's more comfortable because of the IDEs that I use |
| 06:22.06 | cryptic | (specifically, visual studio) |
| 06:22.12 | cryptic | and I do a lot of windows programming |
| 06:22.29 | Diopter | Blargh. Have some serious complaints about VS2011. |
| 06:22.40 | cryptic | I haven't tried 2011 yet |
| 06:22.45 | Diopter | But I don't do Windows programming at all anymore, so I can't complain too loudly |
| 06:23.08 | Diopter | Now I can embrace my Xmonad linux desktops fully and code python and ruby and such all day :P |
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| 06:23.19 | mongo | the biggest bummer about xen is you lose cpu scaling etc... |
| 06:23.26 | cryptic | I spent the last couple days trying to get a usable desktop environment in debian, but to no avail (nvidia sucks.) |
| 06:23.49 | Diopter | mongo: I'd say the way they approach storage and snapshots are bigger bummers :P |
| 06:23.51 | cryptic | the problem is that I have five monitors, and even with twinview, it was horrible |
| 06:24.14 | mongo | Diopter: oh..citrix :) yes they really did mess up lvm |
| 06:24.43 | mongo | cryptic: you need fewer larger monitors :) |
| 06:24.57 | cryptic | these are all very large |
| 06:25.05 | mongo | I just use workspaces |
| 06:25.10 | cryptic | ah yeah |
| 06:25.22 | Diopter | cryptic: I used to have 6 monitors. Know some folks at work with 7-9. These days I have 3 total, with 18 workspaces total across the 2 systems driving them |
| 06:25.22 | mongo | ctl alt and arrow keys |
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| 06:25.46 | Diopter | I find that + tiling WM = vastly more useful than > 3 monitors |
| 06:25.50 | Diopter | Less head movement too ;P |
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| 06:26.22 | mongo | Diopter: plus I can use my 17" laptop while making BBQ with no change in work habits :) |
| 06:26.33 | Diopter | mongo: Yep. Exactly. |
| 06:26.36 | cryptic | I just need to have everything open at once |
| 06:26.48 | Diopter | cryptic: That's where tiling + large monitor is a win |
| 06:26.51 | cryptic | yup |
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| 06:28.43 | mongo | I do have a tablet that I use for checking inbound email, but only because corp won't let us use imap with google apps :) |
| 06:29.02 | Diopter | lamesauce |
| 06:30.15 | mongo | no remote wipe with imap clients |
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| 06:30.35 | Diopter | Yeah. |
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| 06:32.47 | cryptic | debian can be so temperamental |
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| 06:33.17 | mongo | cryptic: most of your probs are mostly that gnome kindof dumped multi monitor support |
| 06:33.34 | cryptic | mongo: yeah, I know, that's why I gave up |
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| 06:33.58 | cryptic | I read that no one really cares about this |
| 06:33.58 | mongo | cryptic: install mate, that is a fork of the old gnome code base |
| 06:34.15 | Diopter | cryptic: Your best option, honestly, is to get a pair of Eyefinity ATIs |
| 06:34.20 | mongo | well more that gnome cares more about tablets and touch than power users |
| 06:34.31 | Diopter | 4 heads per card |
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| 06:34.43 | cryptic | Diopter: unfortunately that's not an option- I need the quadro 4000 |
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| 06:35.01 | cryptic | for cad rendering |
| 06:35.08 | Diopter | cryptic: So use it for offloading to the quadro GPU, but use the ATIs for display |
| 06:35.15 | cryptic | ah, that would work |
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| 06:39.55 | JCDenton | Exim is breaking on a stock install. |
| 06:39.58 | JCDenton | checking separate queue runner daemon...done (not running). |
| 06:39.59 | JCDenton | checking combined SMTP listener and queue runner daemon...failed (combined SMTP listener and queue runner daemon failed). |
| 06:40.12 | JCDenton | Starting MTA:sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory /sbin/start-stop-daemon: unable to chdir() to (No such file or directory) |
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| 06:41.43 | mongo | JCDenton: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:42.02 | jelly-home | JCDenton: that does not sound like a stock install. Can you add "set -vx" into the init script and pastebin the output of /etc/init.d/exim4 start ? |
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| 06:45.03 | nsadmin | JCDenton, what dist are you running? |
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| 06:46.28 | nsadmin | actually... hmm. looks like you do have start-stop-daemon... lack of punctuation. |
| 06:47.48 | JCDenton | http://paste.ubuntu.com/993704/ |
| 06:47.49 | JCDenton | Debian. |
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| 06:48.08 | JCDenton | Keeps complaining about that getcwd() nonstop |
| 06:48.56 | nsadmin | getcwd can fail if, while you're cd'ed into a dir, something else deletes the dir you're in |
| 06:49.15 | mongo | cd ~ |
| 06:49.18 | mongo | and try the command again |
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| 06:50.04 | mongo | although i'm willing to bet this is an issue with the rc prototype file that gets sourced |
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| 06:50.15 | JCDenton | Ther we go |
| 06:50.16 | JCDenton | Thanks. |
| 06:50.22 | JCDenton | Seems to be working now |
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| 06:51.02 | JCDenton | http://paste.ubuntu.com/993709/ |
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| 06:59.12 | JCDenton | The configuration doesn't seem to be saving though |
| 06:59.16 | JCDenton | Yet it's caching somewhere |
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| 07:02.37 | ladowacharpuny | do you know any projects like seti etc but not boinc based (because dont work in debian unstable)? |
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| 07:08.06 | cardamon | ladowacharpuny: For starters, the SETI projects are distinct from seti@home, which happens to be one of them. Second: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/boinc/boinc_7.0.27+dfsg-3/changelog seems okay to me. Problem's most likely on your end. |
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| 07:09.14 | cardamon | ladowacharpuny: Lastly, while not routinely discouraged, if you're running unstable, there are channels that focus on that better than here. |
| 07:09.22 | ladowacharpuny | but i have testing |
| 07:09.31 | ladowacharpuny | and boinc from unstable crash |
| 07:09.45 | jelly-home | cardamon: he IS asking in #debian-next at the same time |
| 07:09.49 | cardamon | ...why are you running boinc from unstable in testing? |
| 07:09.55 | cardamon | ladowacharpuny: Oh, and don't do that. |
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| 07:10.50 | Marezz | is gnome 2 still getting updates/patches in squeeze? |
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| 07:12.28 | cardamon | Unless you have Shiny New Thing Syndrome or there's a feature you cannot live without and are willing to put the effort into, there's no reason to run something, especially something like boinc, from unstable when the rest of your packages are not. |
| 07:12.28 | jelly-home | Marezz: all the software in squeeze gets, or is supposed to get, security patches, and patches that fix things that completely break some functionality |
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| 07:12.49 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 07:12.49 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 07:13.37 | Marezz | Thank you jelly-home |
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| 07:15.06 | JCDenton | Yeah. I can't get the config to update. |
| 07:15.13 | JCDenton | update-exim4.conf is doing nothing |
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| 07:18.15 | cardamon | Oh! I found a bug! |
| 07:18.43 | cardamon | keeps it all to himself like a selfish bastard |
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| 07:36.06 | f`ckJustinBieber | Google has banned my country, is there anyone to download GoogleEarthLinux.deb and upload it for me?! otherwise I have to download it with a proxy @ 10Kilobytes per sec :(( |
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| 07:37.36 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, did it? |
| 07:37.56 | f`ckJustinBieber | no |
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| 07:41.02 | jelly-home | I doubt Google has banned all of Iran. It's at least as likely your gvt is blocking some traffic. |
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| 07:42.12 | f`ckJustinBieber | jelly-home, Google Maps works well on my android phone |
| 07:42.37 | sauvin | How is this a debian problem? |
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| 07:42.45 | jelly-home | it's not. |
| 07:42.46 | Almtesh | Howdi! |
| 07:43.04 | f`ckJustinBieber | Howdy Almtesh |
| 07:43.18 | jelly-home | sauvin: but you've kicked him off the place where he can ask Linux questions! |
| 07:43.22 | Almtesh | Yesterday, I told you about a problem with iceweasel 10.0.4, si I installed the version 12. |
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| 07:43.44 | sauvin | Banning entire countries is also not a linux problem. |
| 07:43.51 | Almtesh | But, I did it on my laptop, and it seems like a update from the repository has a problem. |
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| 07:44.21 | Almtesh | iceweasel depends on libsqlite 3.2.12, but I can only install the version 3.2.11. |
| 07:44.30 | Almtesh | Sorry, 3.7.11 |
| 07:44.31 | KM0201 | whats the debian command, to see what kind of RAM a system has? free -m doesn't really give this info |
| 07:44.38 | f`ckJustinBieber | sauvin, for you to know, when I browse the google download site directly, google provides me the .bin download link which does not work on debian. when I use a proxy I can choose from different .deb and .rpm packages to download but it has low speed |
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| 07:44.54 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.59 | Almtesh | So, my question is, how can I install iceweasel 12? |
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| 07:45.17 | f`ckJustinBieber | Almtesh, the latest version of iceweasel is 3 I think |
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| 07:45.19 | gh0stn0te | Someone have got some problem with a "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd." "RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller" on LMDE? the card seems to work nicely but its like it freeze (no ping, no troughtput) wireshark also stops to log packet when this happens, anybody have got a similar issue? how do I control the driver module? there are some alternative drivers to use for that? Thanks! Im on LMDE (linux mint debian edition, that is |
| 07:45.19 | gh0stn0te | based on debian-stable, im asking here because i was unable to find help in the linuxmint-debian channel and mint support) |
| 07:45.41 | Almtesh | f`ckJustinBieber, I on wheezy. |
| 07:45.41 | f`ckJustinBieber | you can download and install firefox if you want, Almtesh |
| 07:45.49 | ompaul | !lmde |
| 07:45.49 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 07:46.20 | Almtesh | f`ckJustinBieber, I'm on debian. |
| 07:46.29 | gh0stn0te | already tryed ompaul, no responses |
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| 07:46.30 | Almtesh | Why should I use firefox. |
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| 07:46.42 | f`ckJustinBieber | Almtesh, cuz Iceweasel sucks |
| 07:47.03 | f`ckJustinBieber | gh0stn0te, it seems that Linux Mint users are not welcome here, lol |
| 07:47.13 | ompaul | gh0stn0te: that is different to "i was unable to" basically we don't know what they do, so we can't help you they change things it could be exactly this card or not |
| 07:47.19 | Almtesh | f`ckJustinBieber, it's basiclly the same. |
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| 07:48.01 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: what modern doesnt suck in your op.? |
| 07:48.08 | gnarface | oh did linux mint's irc channel fail to help you and you came here hoping we'd have fucking sympathy? piss off |
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| 07:48.14 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: browser* |
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| 07:48.28 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, use the googleearth-package, no need to download through the browser |
| 07:48.29 | cryptic | oh FUCK |
| 07:48.30 | gnarface | install debian and sack the fuck up or just be happy with your choice of inferior distro |
| 07:48.36 | cryptic | I just accidentally disabled usb in bios |
| 07:48.42 | cryptic | ...and now I don't have a keyboard |
| 07:48.50 | ompaul | cryptic: reboot and how are you typing |
| 07:48.56 | Almtesh | gnarface, actually, if you go on a specialized chan, you will meet no one. |
| 07:48.58 | cryptic | ompaul: I'm o my laptop |
| 07:49.07 | cryptic | and unfortunately, I can't get back into bios |
| 07:49.08 | f`ckJustinBieber | tralala, what repository?! |
| 07:49.14 | peterrooney | gnarface: actually, if they'd install debian, I'd expect them to NOT stfu. |
| 07:49.14 | cryptic | since usb is disabled & I have a usb keyboard |
| 07:49.15 | Almtesh | That's why I often ask in ##linux directlly. |
| 07:49.20 | gnarface | Almtesh: actually, your argument is irrelevant |
| 07:49.22 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, the main one |
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| 07:49.33 | KM0201 | cryptic: pull the side of the case, and pull the jumper that resets the CMOS |
| 07:49.38 | Almtesh | gnarface, I know, but there's no one. |
| 07:49.43 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, you're on debian, right? |
| 07:49.44 | hiland | free VPS root servers until my beta servers crash: zws.zaar.me |
| 07:49.47 | cryptic | KM0201: yeah, I guess I just have to remove the cmos battery and wait 30 sec or so |
| 07:49.47 | gnarface | peterrooney: yea but then at least we'd be able to help them if they're willing to be helped and have the willpower to help themselves |
| 07:49.51 | f`ckJustinBieber | tralala, yes |
| 07:49.56 | KM0201 | cryptic: or finda ps2 adapter. |
| 07:50.07 | Almtesh | gnarface, when you need someone, you don't go where there's noone. |
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| 07:50.13 | f`ckJustinBieber | E: Unable to locate package googleearth |
| 07:50.18 | cryptic | I don't have any here; that would've been the first thing to do |
| 07:50.25 | gnarface | Almtesh: yea but... there's a deeper wisdom you should have gained from that experience (hint - don't install mint) |
| 07:50.28 | tralala | *googleearth-package* |
| 07:50.33 | cryptic | I think logitech stopped shippping them |
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| 07:50.58 | streuner_ | judd, versions googleearth-package |
| 07:50.59 | judd | Package: googleearth-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.5.4; squeeze/contrib: 0.6.1; sid/contrib: 0.7.0; wheezy/contrib: 0.7.0 |
| 07:51.04 | ompaul | cryptic: someone will have one |
| 07:51.10 | Almtesh | gnarface, I don't know mint, I installed debian from Ubuntu, that because there much more people on #debian. |
| 07:51.18 | f`ckJustinBieber | tralala, E: Couldn't find any package by regex '*googleearth-package*' |
| 07:51.32 | tralala | ah, right - contrib |
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| 07:52.16 | gnarface | Almtesh: i meant the *royal* "you" :-p |
| 07:52.19 | f`ckJustinBieber | u mean this? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib |
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| 07:52.50 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 07:53.14 | Almtesh | gnarface, the royal me? |
| 07:53.23 | Almtesh | gnarface, is that a joke? |
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| 07:53.47 | gnarface | Almtesh: in more ways than one |
| 07:53.48 | cryptic | I can't believe I did that |
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| 07:55.23 | Almtesh | Why can't I have iceweasel 12. |
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| 07:55.43 | Almtesh | I have it on every of my computers, exept my laptop. |
| 07:56.50 | streuner_ | What kind of feature do you miss, btw? |
| 07:57.50 | Almtesh | streuner_, actually, I have a problem with the characters displaying. |
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| 07:58.07 | f`ckJustinBieber | tralala, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free (should I have this?) |
| 07:59.18 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, did you do what streuner_ said? |
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| 08:00.12 | streuner_ | !contrib |
| 08:00.12 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [squeeze|wheezy|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 08:00.34 | f`ckJustinBieber | tralala, yep |
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| 08:01.14 | f`ckJustinBieber | so that line should be correct, and I done a apt-get update |
| 08:01.26 | f`ckJustinBieber | but no package named googleearth-package exists |
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| 08:02.07 | intore | ompaul, karlpinc, good morning. my difficult with unix-samba permissions is not resolve. could you help me please to see if is definitively not possibile to use unix permissions with homes shares? |
| 08:02.31 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, if you've done everything correctly the package should be available |
| 08:02.49 | Guest62899 | apt-get -u dist-upgrade for squeeze -> sid 1,044 MB/1,217 MB of archives including a lot packages I dont want. How can i ignore a few packages ? |
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| 08:03.05 | Tuxist | intore: files or user permissions ? |
| 08:03.12 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: try "deb http://ftp.<TLD>.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib" |
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| 08:03.28 | f`ckJustinBieber | done |
| 08:03.53 | at0m | Guest62899: manually select then resolve dependancies in aptitude? |
| 08:03.55 | tralala | Guest62899, apt-get install <a few virtual packages that you want like gnome-desktop-environment) |
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| 08:04.04 | f`ckJustinBieber | let me see, I typed 'apt-get install googleearth-package' and a 11kb .deb file has been downloaded somewhere. what to do now?! |
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| 08:04.41 | at0m | f`ckJustinBieber: that's an installer program. run it to get googleearth. |
| 08:04.41 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, when in doubt read the manual |
| 08:04.42 | Guest62899 | I love the gnome3 classic in sid, thats the reason for upgrade. How can i pick that one alone, and the minimal ones with it? |
| 08:05.01 | Guest62899 | tralala: ^ |
| 08:05.28 | tralala | ,versions gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:05.29 | judd | Package: gnome-desktop-environment on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+8; sid: 1:3.0+9 |
| 08:05.47 | ompaul | intore: in my opinion you can't get there from here, that is what I said yesterday, the item exported is not of the type expected by the importer |
| 08:05.48 | tralala | Guest62899, apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:05.53 | Guest62899 | tralala: 1,044 MB is a bit too much rite? |
| 08:05.59 | intore | Tuxist, i can't login from a client using gdm: Could not update ICEauthority file /home/user/.ICEauthority. Logging from a shell, it mount the correct home directory from the server but i can't do nothing |
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| 08:06.41 | Tuxist | intore: try to remove the file |
| 08:06.44 | xylon_ | Hi |
| 08:06.58 | ompaul | intore: samba -> windows permissions which != linux / unix permissions ; nfs -> network speed unix partition sharing |
| 08:07.03 | Guest62899 | tralala: I have a fresh installation of sid now, still I'm getting stuck with insane number of package conflicts. I am on sid for over 6 months now and was neveer like this. Something big changed recently ? |
| 08:07.16 | tralala | Guest62899, it's as much as needed to upgrade the whole system. |
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| 08:07.37 | f`ckJustinBieber | tralala, http://paste.debian.net/169372/ |
| 08:07.40 | intore | Tuxist, it doesn't exist |
| 08:07.42 | xylon_ | I need a small netbook with goob battery life and non-glossy screen that works well with debian... how to find? |
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| 08:08.32 | Tuxist | intore: you have not write permissions on the folder |
| 08:08.32 | Almtesh | xylon_, try the Dell Latitude E6410. |
| 08:08.35 | intore | ompaul, i've seen autofs-ldap package. do you know it? |
| 08:08.49 | f`ckJustinBieber | Almtesh, is it a netbook?! |
| 08:08.58 | Almtesh | xylon_, mine works very well with debian wheezy. |
| 08:09.01 | ompaul | intore: you are now discussing something that is at right angles to your requirement, you are conflating things |
| 08:09.02 | Guest62899 | tralala: I did a reinstall because i messed up a *lot* of packages. a fresh install is worse. http://paste.debian.net/169373/ |
| 08:09.08 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: thats fine, as we told you before, that package is just a script which download the in of google and make a deb out of it |
| 08:09.09 | Almtesh | f`ckJustinBieber, what is a netbook? |
| 08:09.34 | f`ckJustinBieber | Almtesh, a small, usually 10inch screen notebook |
| 08:09.59 | Tuxist | intore: check your permission on the server |
| 08:10.00 | ompaul | intore: file systems are file systems, methods of authentication and permission sharing are methods for that, |
| 08:10.05 | f`ckJustinBieber | streuner_, the problem is, where is the script downloaded? and how to run it? |
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| 08:10.07 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: s/in/bin/ |
| 08:10.08 | tralala | Guest62899, that's on a fresh install? |
| 08:10.16 | intore | Tuxist, i know but i don't know where to change it |
| 08:10.26 | ompaul | Tuxist: been there have fun, basically he is trying to mount a samba share as a unix home directory |
| 08:10.27 | Almtesh | f`ckJustinBieber, OK, it's a 14 inch screen. |
| 08:10.29 | Almtesh | Sorry. |
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| 08:10.34 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: dpkg -L googleearth-package lists the contents of it |
| 08:10.52 | Tuxist | intore: apt-get install mc i think it's easier for youz |
| 08:11.09 | streuner_ | f`ckJustinBieber: man googleearth-package for details, IIRC |
| 08:11.19 | tralala | f`ckJustinBieber, dpkg -L <package> | grep bin will give you all the programs in the package |
| 08:11.21 | Tuxist | ompaul: thats basicly no problem samba have unix filesystem support |
| 08:11.33 | Tuxist | but cifs not realy fast |
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| 08:11.42 | ompaul | Tuxist: for home directories |
| 08:11.44 | f`ckJustinBieber | tnx |
| 08:11.54 | Tuxist | ompaul: yes |
| 08:12.05 | ompaul | Tuxist: I'll leave that with you |
| 08:12.06 | xylon_ | 14in is a bit to big really, I was hoping for about 10in |
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| 08:12.43 | xylon_ | OK dw I was just worrying if deb has a resourse for finding supported hardware |
| 08:12.47 | intore | ompaul, i need something to be integrated with ldap. |
| 08:12.57 | xylon_ | h-node is good |
| 08:12.58 | intore | ompaul, i found autofs-ldap |
| 08:13.13 | xylon_ | most stuff on h-node is tested with trisquel which is basically Debian |
| 08:13.29 | xylon_ | I'll search |
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| 08:13.50 | Tuxist | ompaul: but remeber case-sensitiv windows clients doesn't see a file if there twice |
| 08:13.52 | ompaul | xylon_: eh once again you could be asking in #gnewsense for help there |
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| 08:14.21 | yang_ | Is this thing packaged in debian under another name perhaps - http://www.japheth.de/JWasm.html |
| 08:14.31 | Tuxist | intore: nfsv4 + keberos + ldap |
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| 08:14.34 | ompaul | xylon_: this is not that channel nor is the one I pointed at - you need to go to your distro's channel and remember trisquel says that debian is unclean so hav fun with that |
| 08:14.45 | Tuxist | but it's not easy to configure |
| 08:14.53 | xylon_ | ompaul: I use Debian |
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| 08:15.11 | intore | Tuxist, so, with samba is possible or not |
| 08:15.14 | intore | ? |
| 08:15.26 | ompaul | xylon_: you said the problem is on trisquel - so I have no idea what changes where made there - nor to the others here, no debate, no help |
| 08:15.47 | xylon_ | What problem? |
| 08:15.50 | Tuxist | intore: you mc installed ? |
| 08:15.55 | xylon_ | what are you talking about lol |
| 08:16.08 | Tuxist | intore: it's possible |
| 08:16.11 | cryptic | why is a usb drive sometimes detected as /dev/sda during installation? |
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| 08:16.13 | ompaul | xylon_: I see now what I am talking about and it was a comment |
| 08:16.30 | ompaul | xylon_: touchy about people asking about not debian here :/ |
| 08:16.43 | intore | Tuxist, this is a good thing. |
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| 08:17.14 | ompaul | Tuxist: intore you will need to deal with .gnome-foo and .ICEAuthority |
| 08:17.30 | ompaul | Tuxist: case sensitive it must be |
| 08:17.44 | intore | Tuxist, no mc. i'm going to install it. On the server, not on the client |
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| 08:17.48 | intore | ? |
| 08:18.01 | xylon_ | I was just mentioning that stuff on h-node probably works with Debian since most devices on h-node are tested with Trisquel which is derived from Debian |
| 08:18.21 | xylon_ | hence it can be a good place for me to search for my netbook |
| 08:18.43 | Tuxist | intore: installed on the server the check the permissions for your home directory |
| 08:18.46 | ompaul | xylon_: now I have no idea what you are on about, I followed the h-node comment |
| 08:19.06 | Tuxist | ompaul: yes samba have a layer for that |
| 08:19.53 | Tuxist | ompaul: you got only problems on windows clients if there exits a file like this Test and this test |
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| 08:20.16 | xylon_ | ompaul: I'm trying to find a netbook that works well with Debian |
| 08:20.23 | xylon_ | so I can buy it |
| 08:20.24 | Tuxist | ompaul: the windows client see only one file |
| 08:20.28 | xylon_ | and put Debian on it |
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| 08:21.16 | intore | Tuxist, I have the homes in /users on the server. These the permissions for leonidas's home dir: drwx------ 2 leonidas Domain Users 4096 May 17 16:43 leonidas |
| 08:21.50 | Almtesh | I want some chocolate. |
| 08:22.09 | Almtesh | intore, why are you talking about chocolate? |
| 08:22.37 | homes | good old windows, with its case insensitive filesystem |
| 08:22.40 | intore | Almtesh, ? |
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| 08:24.19 | intore | Tuxist, mc is installing |
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| 08:25.11 | Tuxist | intore: you have the home folder on windows server ? |
| 08:25.29 | intore | Tuxist, the server is debian squeeze |
| 08:25.48 | Tuxist | instore: ok thats not a problem |
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| 08:27.58 | intore | Tuxist, mc is installed |
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| 08:29.02 | Tuxist | intore: ok you can check easily the rights for your home folders ceck if there writeable and have the right owner |
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| 08:29.21 | Tuxist | you can open the menu with: F9 |
| 08:29.41 | Tuxist | and send your smb.conf also please |
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| 08:31.47 | Tuxist | intore: also importand you need real unixusers on the server to use smb with linux clients |
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| 08:33.16 | intore | Tuxist, i can see all the users only with getent passwd, ex, leonidas is not in /etc/passwd |
| 08:33.33 | Tuxist | intore: thats the problem |
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| 08:33.45 | intore | Tuxist, i use smbldap-useradd |
| 08:34.01 | Tuxist | intore: ok getent passw shows the user |
| 08:34.19 | Tuxist | intore: thats ok reading misstake srry |
| 08:34.20 | intore | Tuxist, yes, all |
| 08:34.52 | intore | Tuxist, smb.conf: http://paste.debian.net/169375/ |
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| 08:36.36 | Guest62899 | Why is removing tomboy removing most of the gnome-* packages ? Im on squeeze |
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| 08:38.24 | Tuxist | intore: try this in homes selction http://paste.debian.net/169377/ |
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| 08:39.42 | Almtesh | intore, leonidas is a famous firm which creates chocolate. |
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| 08:42.30 | Tuxist | intore: you're using ldap and kerberos ? |
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| 08:42.43 | Tuxist | intore: or only ldap ? |
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| 08:45.40 | intore | Tuxist, am sorry, bad connection. this is burundi |
| 08:45.52 | oliva | hi there ... has anybody installed ofed infiniband software on squeeze? |
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| 08:48.02 | Twinkletoes | Have the repos for lenny been moved recently? aptitude is now giving loads of 404 errors |
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| 08:48.59 | Twinkletoes | Forget it... just found they've been moved to archve ;) |
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| 08:53.19 | Ludvig | has the libcairo2 rendering problem been solved yet? |
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| 08:54.10 | Tuxist | gpg-agent don't like me :-( |
| 08:55.25 | intore | Tuxist, have you seen my smb.conf? |
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| 08:56.19 | Tuxist | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:58.20 | intore | Tuxist, replace all with your |
| 08:58.22 | intore | ? |
| 08:58.43 | Tuxist | intore: no only home section |
| 08:58.51 | intore | Tuxist, ok |
| 08:59.07 | Tuxist | then restart samba |
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| 08:59.34 | intore | Tuxist, done |
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| 09:00.11 | Tuxist | then try again o start your user session on the client |
| 09:00.57 | intore | Tuxist, after logging from a shell form the client doesn't allow me to create file |
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| 09:01.52 | Tuxist | try touch:. touch ICEAuthority on the client |
| 09:02.03 | Tuxist | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:02.39 | intore | i can't create any file |
| 09:02.48 | intore | permission denied |
| 09:04.19 | Tuxist | intore: you have permissions problems |
| 09:04.37 | intore | Tuxist, yes, but where? |
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| 09:06.11 | Tuxist | intore: try to set the home folder on the server to that: chmod 0777 -R /users/username |
| 09:06.22 | intore | Tuxist, after logged on the client it mount /users/leonidas on the client on /home/leonidas. The permissions of this one are : drwx------ 2 leonidas Domain Users 0 2012-05-17 16:43 leonidas |
| 09:06.28 | Tuxist | intore: but only for debug purpoes ! |
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| 09:08.31 | intore | Tuxist, the same. permission denied |
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| 09:09.04 | Tuxist | intore: ok there is no problem with folder permission |
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| 09:09.23 | Tuxist | intore: who you have mounted the shre ? |
| 09:09.51 | intore | Tuxist, i configured pam_mount to do this |
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| 09:10.09 | intore | Tuxist, paste? |
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| 09:16.32 | Tuxist | intore: yes |
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| 09:18.18 | gyaresu | Question: Is there a logging package someone can recommend over logwatch? Is there some new hotness I may not know about? |
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| 09:19.59 | intore | Tuxist, am sorry again, do i've to modify pam_mount? |
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| 09:21.57 | Tuxist | intore: http://buechse.de/HOWTO/samba_pam_mount_sshd/ |
| 09:24.05 | intore | Tuxist, i haven't winbind |
| 09:24.33 | intore | but doesn't matter i hope |
| 09:25.25 | Tuxist | intore: you need winbind for the rpc calls |
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| 09:29.56 | intore | Tuxist, not at the moment using only unix client, really? |
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| 09:32.12 | Tuxist | intore: if you'are using only unix clients i recommend to use nfsv4 |
| 09:32.25 | Tuxist | intore: it's much faster as cifs |
| 09:33.26 | intore | Tuxist, will be win client |
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| 09:35.51 | Tuxist | intore: give me your samba logs |
| 09:37.16 | intore | Tuxist, log.smbd and nmbd? |
| 09:37.46 | Tuxist | ok |
| 09:38.30 | Tuxist | but i need a monent i eating my chinasalad |
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| 09:43.25 | Tuxist | and one 1kilogram meat |
| 09:44.12 | intore | Tuxist, http://paste.debian.net/169383/ |
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| 09:45.39 | Tuxist | intore: check your domain resolvs |
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| 09:46.51 | intore | Tuxist, now am configuring the server amahoro. I use another server during the preparation of amahoro server |
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| 09:51.27 | intore | Tuxist, at the moment the server of the network is 192.168.5.1. am configuring another pc (192.168.5.219) will be the first one server when configured |
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| 09:54.37 | Tuxist | intore: check nslookup WPAD |
| 09:54.48 | Minh | I'm writing a python program in Debian, but dont know how to build it into exceutable file (like py2exe on Windows) |
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| 09:55.22 | CruX| | Minh: there is no need doing that |
| 09:55.41 | Woet | would it be possible to have PubkeyAuthentication and a PAM module on sshd? |
| 09:55.43 | Minh | i know that we can run it directly by calling .py file |
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| 09:56.35 | bomer | cx_Freeze to make eexecutables |
| 09:56.46 | bomer | executable... fuck mi fingers.. |
| 09:56.47 | intore | Tuxist, http://paste.debian.net/169387/ |
| 09:56.48 | bomer | ;) |
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| 09:57.26 | bomer | cxfreeze target.py --target-dir dist |
| 09:58.13 | Tuxist | intore: you can use winbind or dhcp name resoluition |
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| 09:58.53 | intore | Tuxist, to do what |
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| 09:59.10 | Minh | im new with debian, so cxfreeze is already installed? |
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| 09:59.45 | Tuxist | intore: use winbind it's easier ;-) |
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| 10:00.22 | babilen | Minh: You can directly call Python programs that have a suitable shebang and are executable. What more could you want? |
| 10:01.04 | bomer | no cx_Freez isnt installed on a fresh deb, so i think, sorry 4 my english ;) |
| 10:01.18 | babilen | It's not packaged for Debian AFAICT either |
| 10:01.20 | intore | Tuxist, am sorry. i don't understand. We said about the permission at mount time, not? it si the problem |
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| 10:01.34 | Minh | @babi: I just want to release executable files, not source code |
| 10:01.57 | Tuxist | intore: isn't because chmod 777 grant all permisions to all users |
| 10:01.58 | Minh | @bomer: tks, i'm trying to get it now |
| 10:02.24 | babilen | Minh: try "bab<TAB>" as my name is not "babi", but "babilen" -- I would also recommend to ask this in #python and take a look at the aforementioned cx_freeze |
| 10:02.55 | intore | Tuxist, so? what must to do? |
| 10:03.17 | Tuxist | intore: configure winbind on the clients |
| 10:03.27 | babilen | Minh: Also http://wiki.python.org/moin/Freeze -- But really, take it to #python as this is hardly a Debian specific issue. :) (I'm there as well) |
| 10:03.52 | Minh | hi tks :) |
| 10:03.54 | Tuxist | intore: i give your a link check this |
| 10:03.56 | intore | Tuxist, on unix clients? |
| 10:04.00 | Tuxist | yes |
| 10:04.13 | babilen | Minh: You will have problems though if the installed Python version is not the same on the target system. But lets continue this in #python |
| 10:04.19 | intore | Tuxist, and what must do on the server? |
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| 10:04.33 | Tuxist | nothing at the moment |
| 10:05.16 | rawhite | uff how could i make my custom debian installer not warn me about uneeded lvm-mod ? :) |
| 10:05.24 | rawhite | also it stopped detecting virtio :( |
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| 10:11.10 | intore | Tuxist, so, i install winbind on my client? |
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| 10:16.54 | Minh | what is the correct name of cx_freeze package? |
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| 10:19.47 | intore | Tuxist, are you here? |
| 10:20.20 | Tuxist | i have made a restart |
| 10:20.32 | Tuxist | intore: yes |
| 10:20.39 | White_R | Hi! What about this Evolution bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671437 ? Is it an evolution or a gtk bug? |
| 10:20.51 | babilen | Minh: cx_freeze has not yet been packaged for Debian → #python |
| 10:20.58 | babilen | !tell Minh -about search |
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| 10:21.34 | intore | Tuxist, is installing |
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| 10:26.39 | intore | Tuxist, well, installed |
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| 10:29.40 | leadpipe | how can you use autossh to connect to a port other than 22? |
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| 10:30.04 | intore | Tuxist, what to modify now on the client? |
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| 10:30.24 | leadpipe | *i |
| 10:30.30 | Tuxist | intore: look at the link that i have you send |
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| 10:30.49 | intore | Tuxist, you didn't!!! |
| 10:31.18 | Tuxist | intore: http://buechse.de/HOWTO/samba_pam_mount_sshd/ |
| 10:31.45 | intore | Tuxist, am sorry, that link! |
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| 10:35.13 | klys | if adobe flash player crashes is it because I'm out of disk space? |
| 10:35.36 | klys | no I'm not out of disk space |
| 10:35.48 | klys | is it because my processor is too slow? |
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| 10:36.21 | intore | Tuxist, there are some difference to smb.conf of the server. ex: security = domain and on the server is = user. |
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| 10:36.50 | Tuxist | you can change this |
| 10:37.29 | intore | i'll use domain or user? |
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| 10:41.43 | impaktor | I have automatic login in gnome, but the keyring prompts me for password every time I start my computer. Anyone know how to disable this. |
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| 10:45.45 | intore | Tuxist, little problem. /etc/init.d/samba on the client doesn't exist |
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| 10:51.42 | Tuxist | then you samba not installed |
| 10:52.20 | Tuxist | or smbd |
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| 10:52.41 | Tuxist | it's depends on your debian verion |
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| 10:56.42 | Auriga | Hi, I have just tried to install Audacious from Testing, & synaptic now wants to remove everything on the system to install Audacious. How do I get around this? |
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| 10:57.16 | intore | Tuxist, there is smbd. i can restart it using simply sudo smbd restart |
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| 10:58.05 | Tuxist | yes it seems you are using upstart |
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| 10:59.59 | intore | Tuxist, sorry if i ask you many thing but i never did it. In your link there is wrote "net join GZH -S <your_server_name> -U <your_domain_admin>". what is the domain name? |
| 11:00.28 | Tuxist | you don't need this |
| 11:00.44 | Tuxist | that if you are using active directory |
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| 11:03.14 | intore | Tuxist, ok. do i have to follow all the remains lines? |
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| 11:04.38 | ws2k3 | hello people. |
| 11:04.44 | leadpipe | how do i start autossh during boot? |
| 11:04.50 | _littlebit | hello people, i wanted to know if someone configured a debian as a wlan repeater |
| 11:05.25 | sussudio | http://pastebin.ca/2150068 < could someone explain what exactly was going on here? server was unresponsive for 15 minutes... |
| 11:05.47 | ws2k3 | i have 2 servers in the same datacenter. but to one server i have a very high ping i dont have much datatraffic going on so its not that the line is full and i have plenty cpu and ram available so the server isnt overloaded. how can start searching where the issue is ? |
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| 11:06.31 | leadpipe | ws2k3 can you tcpdump from the problem server? |
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| 11:06.47 | ws2k3 | yeah i can |
| 11:06.51 | ws2k3 | i can ssh in but its slow |
| 11:07.11 | intore | Tuxist, i have ldap server also and it say to change nsswitch file but mine is configured for ldap |
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| 11:07.50 | leadpipe | do like tcpdump -vvv -i eth0 -w ~/tcpdump.cap |
| 11:07.57 | ws2k3 | this is a traceroute http://pastebin.com/4h5FKtHW |
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| 11:07.59 | ws2k3 | to google |
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| 11:08.14 | leadpipe | then =when you are done doing the dump close the ssh connection and then sftp into the machine |
| 11:08.21 | leadpipe | get ~/tcpdump.cap |
| 11:08.24 | leadpipe | then open with wireshark |
| 11:08.28 | leadpipe | see whats going on |
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| 11:08.54 | leadpipe | is there a load balancer involved? |
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| 11:10.25 | ws2k3 | no |
| 11:10.29 | ws2k3 | its not a webserver |
| 11:10.38 | ws2k3 | i can download from it with 3 kbps |
| 11:10.44 | ws2k3 | so i cant get the dump |
| 11:10.47 | ws2k3 | it will take 30 minits |
| 11:11.10 | leadpipe | idk what you want to do, it seems you need to get files from the server |
| 11:11.18 | leadpipe | even log files |
| 11:11.36 | ws2k3 | i am from a windows computer at home |
| 11:11.41 | leadpipe | check out /var/log/messages |
| 11:11.45 | ws2k3 | my linux server is in the datacenter |
| 11:12.01 | leadpipe | then you gotta go to the data center if you don't want to wait |
| 11:12.09 | ws2k3 | i cant |
| 11:12.09 | leadpipe | can you remote into the fast machine |
| 11:12.14 | ws2k3 | because its a dedicated server i rented |
| 11:12.15 | leadpipe | then remote into the problem machine from it? |
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| 11:13.15 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/SdcLaJSV |
| 11:13.23 | ws2k3 | a dump of var/log/messages |
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| 11:13.32 | intore | Tuxist, are you away? |
| 11:14.37 | Tuxist | i have little bit trouble in the mom |
| 11:14.41 | ws2k3 | leadpipe what does it means if i still have high ping from the machine next to it ? |
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| 11:26.52 | intore | Tuxist, well, doesn't run. now it says login incorrect. bingo! |
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| 11:29.20 | Tuxist | what say your log ? |
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| 11:30.53 | intore | Tuxist, am not sure about the new configuration copied from your link. |
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| 11:34.00 | intore | Tuxist, i'd like to burn everything |
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| 11:35.47 | intore | Tuxist, please tell me if you can follow me. if no i'll come back to the original state |
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| 11:39.41 | Auriga | Hi, I have just tried to install Audacious from Testing, & synaptic now wants to remove everything on the system to install Audacious. How do I get around this? |
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| 11:45.43 | metaphysician | How many release-critical bugs did squeeze have when it was being released as stable? |
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| 11:48.53 | Tuxist | intore: whats happened ? |
| 11:49.15 | xylon_ | I thought debian stable was really stable |
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| 11:50.23 | intore | Tuxist, it doesn't run. trying login with leonidas it says login incorrect |
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| 11:50.57 | Tuxist | ok what says your auth log ? |
| 11:51.09 | intore | Tuxist, on the client or on the server? |
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| 11:51.52 | Tuxist | client |
| 11:52.23 | jelly | !nopony xylon_ |
| 11:52.23 | dpkg | xylon_: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
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| 11:53.56 | jelly | xylon_: it has stable APIs, ABIs and a well-known set of bugs. "stable" does not imply everything works; just that the breakage there is, remains consistent throughout the lifetime of the release |
| 11:54.15 | intore | Tuxist, http://paste.debian.net/169403/ |
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| 11:54.44 | xylon_ | ah, right |
| 11:54.59 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 11:54.59 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 11:55.24 | jelly | metaphysician: one of the release goals is having 0 rc bugs |
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| 11:58.19 | intore | Tuxist, what do you think? |
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| 12:00.54 | Tuxist | have configured winbind_pam modules ? |
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| 12:01.22 | intore | Tuxist, no |
| 12:02.03 | Tuxist | thats the problem |
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| 12:02.46 | intore | Tuxist, wait, to switch to another user i have to type sudo login and after appears this message: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:100): unknown pam_mount option "use_first_pass" |
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| 12:03.37 | intore | Tuxist, i copied the files from your link |
| 12:03.40 | Tuxist | the remove this flag |
| 12:03.47 | Tuxist | the link was older |
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| 12:04.25 | metaphysician | if #632142 is a solved bug why is it appearing in the rc-bugs-in-stable list? |
| 12:04.28 | Tuxist | you can find much topics with google.de about this |
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| 12:04.55 | intore | Tuxist, i removed it but still doesn't run |
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| 12:06.06 | jz_ | How can I upgrade from #debian squeeze to sid ignoring a praticular package, say openoffice ? The upgrade needs over 1 GB of packages now and i need this feature badly. |
| 12:07.45 | Tuxist | wbinfo -u |
| 12:07.54 | Tuxist | run this command |
| 12:08.07 | intore | Tuxist, SERVER\zingalo |
| 12:08.08 | intore | SERVER\leonidas |
| 12:08.20 | tralala | jz_, /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:08.39 | Tuxist | your nsswitch.conf ? |
| 12:08.42 | intore | Tuxist, are the users registered on ldap and on smbldap |
| 12:09.03 | Tuxist | ok |
| 12:09.30 | intore | nsswitch i can't modify because i use ldap. Modifying like your link i can't see them with getent passwd |
| 12:09.45 | intore | i checked it |
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| 12:10.08 | abrotman | k/win 1 |
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| 12:10.48 | Tuxist | ok you are use ldap for auth |
| 12:10.58 | intore | yes |
| 12:11.04 | Tuxist | how auth against cifs ? |
| 12:11.16 | intore | you mean? |
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| 12:11.47 | sussudio | i see this channel is still pretty much useless... |
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| 12:12.02 | Tuxist | you're auth against ldap server but not against samba server |
| 12:12.27 | intore | i have smbldap |
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| 12:13.00 | krisfremen | gets a headache from just reading the last few lines.. |
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| 12:13.38 | Tuxist | smbldap is for administration not more |
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| 12:14.58 | intore | Tuxist, so? what is wrong? |
| 12:15.13 | gena2x | Krigsforbryter, same here. somehow than i hear 'ladp |
| 12:15.29 | Tuxist | the share doesn't that you already authenticated |
| 12:15.33 | gena2x | ' i feel headache too |
| 12:15.57 | gena2x | strange |
| 12:17.43 | intore | Tuxist, i don't understand what missing in the configuration |
| 12:18.14 | Tuxist | it will be easier if samba 4 will be released *i hope that will done in this century* |
| 12:19.51 | Tuxist | intore: you need auth against the share but you're only auth against ldap |
| 12:20.00 | Tuxist | for pam |
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| 12:20.53 | intore | Tuxist, In practice what is missing? |
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| 12:21.07 | Tuxist | intore: use winbind |
| 12:21.12 | cobain102 | hi |
| 12:21.29 | intore | Tuxist, i installed it but doesn't run! |
| 12:21.34 | Tuxist | or for the unix clients nfs |
| 12:21.42 | cobain102 | Pulseaudio dont work, can someone help me? thanks |
| 12:22.15 | intore | Tuxist, i never used nfs. is it a big work? |
| 12:22.29 | intore | with ldap also |
| 12:23.00 | Tuxist | not much but you need kerberos |
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| 12:23.44 | Night_Elf | To what I know, there is no way in /etc/exports file to explicitly deny access to that folder from some specific host. The idea is that the exported directory should be reachable from all the x.x.x.0/24 network, but not from machine x.x.x.10/32. Am I correct to being pesimistic, or is this doable? |
| 12:24.08 | Tuxist | https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/kerberos-ldap.html |
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| 12:24.31 | cobain102 | please, I cant hear nothing with pulseaudio :S |
| 12:24.47 | Tuxist | no nfsv3 !!!!!!!!!!! it's absolutely insecure by desgin |
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| 12:25.36 | intore | Tuxist, nfs4? |
| 12:25.45 | Tuxist | yes |
| 12:25.56 | Tuxist | network file system with kerberos auth |
| 12:26.12 | cobain102 | nobody knows how can I repare pulseaudio? |
| 12:26.50 | Tuxist | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto |
| 12:26.51 | Night_Elf | Tuxist: how can I determine which version am I using ? |
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| 12:27.04 | Tuxist | /etc/exports |
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| 12:27.54 | intore | Tuxist, ldap is installed and configured to work with samba. i'll reinstall ldap? |
| 12:28.19 | Tuxist | thats not a problem |
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| 12:28.34 | Tuxist | you can use ldap and samba and nfs togther |
| 12:28.44 | intore | Tuxist, the entries in ldap have objectClasses and attribute about samba |
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| 12:31.10 | cobain102 | please, how can I fix pulseaudio? |
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| 12:32.56 | cobain102 | :S |
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| 12:33.57 | at0m | cobain102: got anymore info on what's happening? asking same vague thing 5x in 10mins isnt going to help. |
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| 12:34.41 | cobain102 | at0m : no, i dont know more |
| 12:34.47 | tralala | cobain102, what have you tried so far? |
| 12:34.58 | at0m | not using pulseaudio, but i remember it had a daemon and user mode. |
| 12:35.25 | cobain102 | I dont know, i installed a few days ago but only tried it today |
| 12:35.27 | at0m | check if you can find any logs (i suppose syslog for daemon mode, console for user mode) |
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| 12:36.23 | cobain102 | if I go to the preferences, in hardware is not nothing |
| 12:36.35 | cobain102 | sorry for my bad english |
| 12:36.55 | tralala | cobain102, go ahead and read some instructions off the internet |
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| 12:37.03 | tralala | the debian wiki is a good place to start |
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| 12:37.58 | hje841 | anybody using the Terminator terminal emulator? |
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| 12:38.40 | hje841 | I need to run a script every time I exit my terminal. Where do I put it? |
| 12:39.06 | cobain102 | at0m : do you know something to try? |
| 12:39.54 | petemc | hje841: dont know terminator but try ~/.bash_logout |
| 12:40.00 | tralala | hje841, start the emulator from a script and do what you need to thereafter |
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| 12:40.22 | intore | Tuxist, in https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/kerberos-ldap.html it use a different configuration of ldap. i use slapd.conf and i that guide it use cn=config. |
| 12:40.56 | Tuxist | thats difference ldap verions mom |
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| 12:41.21 | Tuxist | http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP |
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| 12:42.39 | SuperNull | hey guys, any one pxe boot debian ? im just curious how much of a pain in the ass it is |
| 12:43.09 | Tuxist | http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-d6-kerberos-openldap-provider.php |
| 12:43.31 | hje841 | petemc, when is that executed? |
| 12:43.56 | petemc | really? |
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| 12:44.20 | hje841 | not really |
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| 12:45.54 | dizzylizzy | probably when you type 'exit' or hit ^d |
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| 12:46.25 | metaphysician | hje841: executed when a login shell exits |
| 12:46.27 | dizzylizzy | kinda reminds of me the function atexit() |
| 12:46.38 | hje841 | metaphysician, got it |
| 12:46.49 | hje841 | I'll give it a go |
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| 13:02.18 | JonB | how do I find out which package contains /usr/bin/w ? http://packages.debian.org is apparently too stupid to figure it out |
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| 13:03.08 | vlt | JonB: dpkg -S /usr/bin/w |
| 13:03.24 | JonB | vlt: thanks |
| 13:03.27 | DragonDon | Or ummm... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=which+package+contains+%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fw |
| 13:03.43 | JonB | DragonDon: why doesnt packages.debian.org work? |
| 13:04.13 | DragonDon | <shrug>....ask them I guess...maybe they'll get the hint.... |
| 13:04.54 | JonB | vlt: dpkg: /usr/bin/w not found. |
| 13:05.04 | JonB | DragonDon: that was why I came in here |
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| 13:05.34 | DragonDon | afaik, this isn't the support team for packages.debian.org.... |
| 13:06.23 | JonB | DragonDon: channel topic does not deny it |
| 13:06.25 | petemc | JonB: dpkg -S `readlink -f $(which w)` |
| 13:06.56 | petemc | DragonDon: seems like a reasonable question to ask here to me |
| 13:07.56 | DragonDon | petemc, never said it wasn't a reasonable question, just thought this wasn't the support forum for debian.org officially....but hey, what do I know. |
| 13:08.04 | petemc | all good |
| 13:08.17 | JonB | petemc: is it reasonable to expect a search for a symbolic link (which is probably created at the time of installation) would be caught by dpkg -S ? |
| 13:08.27 | vlt | How can I set my passwd non-interactively? |
| 13:08.36 | petemc | JonB: evidently not |
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| 13:08.53 | JonB | DragonDon: where do I find the packages.debian.org support channel? I have some more suggestions for them |
| 13:09.12 | vlt | I tried `echo -n "secret" | passwd` but it complains about missing retyped password. Any idea? |
| 13:09.43 | DragonDon | JonB, I haven't lkooked but did you try to find a 'contact us' on debian.org site? |
| 13:09.46 | JonB | vlt: echo twice? |
| 13:10.26 | JonB | DragonDon: i feel that IRC is better because we can then have a realtime discussion about my idea and any unclear segments could be cleared up immediately |
| 13:10.37 | vlt | JonB: Don’t think this would work … |
| 13:10.37 | petemc | vlt: usermod --pass |
| 13:10.39 | vlt | petemc: Thanks |
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| 13:11.29 | DragonDon | JonB, an admirable idea, but I don't think that will happen. Besides, emails are a better way to remember what was said and keep track of things. |
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| 13:12.00 | JonB | DragonDon: I would prefer a real issue tracking system over emails |
| 13:12.11 | Jeredepp | anybody running Varnish here? |
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| 13:12.36 | abrotman | JonB: dpkg -S usr/bin/w |
| 13:12.38 | abrotman | or use apt-file |
| 13:12.53 | vlt | petemc: How to get the encrypted value of my password? usermod expects this. |
| 13:13.08 | JonB | vlt: mkpasswd |
| 13:13.19 | JonB | vlt: but I only use it interactively |
| 13:13.20 | vlt | JonB: ty |
| 13:13.43 | abrotman | JonB: the leading slash can cause search issues |
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| 13:14.34 | JonB | abrotman: well, I use it because it is only this particular file I am interested in |
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| 13:14.37 | abrotman | JonB: though, you'll also notice that it won't return that because /usr/bin/w is a symlink |
| 13:14.45 | abrotman | JonB: readlink -f /usr/sbin/w |
| 13:14.50 | abrotman | erm .. bin/not sbin |
| 13:14.58 | JonB | abrotman: I did not create the symlink |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | of course you didn't .. the alternatives system did |
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| 13:16.13 | JonB | abrotman: I sort of have the expectation that the Debian system knows which files it creates so I do not have to |
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| 13:16.51 | tralala | JonB, I'm not sure what you mean by this, but dpkg surely knows that it didn't create /usr/bin/w |
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| 13:17.13 | JonB | tralala: the debian system created /usr/bin/w |
| 13:17.14 | abrotman | JonB: ls -l /usr/bin/w |
| 13:17.30 | abrotman | JonB: it does know .. it knows perfectly well, you just have to follow the trail |
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| 13:17.53 | abrotman | JonB: that symlink is created in the dpkg postinst for the procps package |
| 13:18.34 | JonB | abrotman: I know that now. But I dont want to check beforehand if a file is a symlink or not when I search the debian system for where this file is from |
| 13:18.45 | JonB | abrotman: that is an extra level of work for me |
| 13:18.59 | JonB | abrotman: a level which can easily be automated |
| 13:19.01 | abrotman | JonB: lots of intricate details in an OS |
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| 13:19.27 | TomyLobo | is there any reason whatsoever for why libroar2 depends on libdnet? |
| 13:20.20 | TomyLobo | i just updated and all of a sudden some package wants to change my MAC addresses |
| 13:20.25 | JonB | abrotman: I know, but is it too hard for dpkg to look it up and say it is an symlink to w.procps and what it is a part of the procps package? (which was last updated 2012-xy-ab |
| 13:21.10 | abrotman | JonB: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/w) |
| 13:21.36 | TomyLobo | turns out it's dnet-common, which is recommended by libdent, which is required by libroar2, which is required by libroar-compat2, which is recommended by libopenal1 |
| 13:22.13 | JonB | abrotman: more data to type, but I can live with a script that does it. |
| 13:22.31 | JonB | abrotman: how can I lookup the update history of a given package? |
| 13:22.38 | abrotman | JonB: i'm just telling you how you can do it .. whining to me won't help :) |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | JonB: aptitude changelog foo |
| 13:22.44 | babilen | TomyLobo: That is not a dependency but a Recommends: (and the source of some frustration) -- You can just remove dnet-common for now or disable recommends. |
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| 13:23.17 | TomyLobo | babilen i'm not even sure why i need libdnet |
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| 13:24.39 | JonB | abrotman: I appreciate that you tell me how to do it |
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| 13:25.12 | JonB | abrotman: that gives me a little too much information. I was more thinking of when I installed the package and updated the package |
| 13:25.54 | babilen | TomyLobo: For me its mplayer pulling it in (mplayer -D-> libopenal1 -R-> libroar-compat2 -D-> libroar2 -D-> libdnet -R-> dnet-common |
| 13:26.24 | abrotman | JonB: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 13:26.52 | abrotman | JonB: you'll have to do some grep magic to make sense of it |
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| 13:27.31 | JonB | abrotman: i'm loving it (grep) |
| 13:27.40 | babilen | TomyLobo: See also #673178 and #672483 -- Please also make sure that you have apt-listbugs installed and that we have a support channels specifically for testing and unstable on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) named #debian-next |
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| 13:28.15 | abrotman | would like to be loving a McMuffin |
| 13:28.31 | TomyLobo | oh, i didnt know wheezy was still THAT much on the frontier :) |
| 13:28.33 | tharkun | !coffee abrotman |
| 13:28.33 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for abrotman, courtesy of tharkun |
| 13:28.41 | JonB | abrotman: when the alternatives system makes changes, is that logged somewhere? |
| 13:28.48 | TomyLobo | it's all fine though... just nice to know |
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| 13:29.04 | Jeredepp | anybody got a good example on how to add a new port to apaches ports.conf? |
| 13:29.33 | Jeredepp | i need to add a port that gets local requests (127.0.0.1:1337) |
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| 13:29.59 | abrotman | JonB: not sure honestly .. |
| 13:29.59 | babilen | TomyLobo: Oh, yes it is. #655740 has been fixed in dnprogs/2.59+nmu1 btw, so it is fixed in sid. It might take a while for it to make it into testing though. |
| 13:30.04 | abrotman | tharkun: don't touch the stuff |
| 13:30.19 | babilen | ,v dnprogs |
| 13:30.20 | abrotman | JonB: probably should be |
| 13:30.20 | judd | No package named 'dnprogs' was found in i386. |
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| 13:30.46 | abrotman | JonB: /var/log/alternatibves/log |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | but spelled right |
| 13:30.49 | JonB | Jeredepp: for any particular vhost, or for all of them? |
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| 13:31.48 | babilen | TomyLobo: (It was fixed today (cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655740#38)) |
| 13:31.50 | JonB | abrotman: mine is empty |
| 13:32.00 | JonB | abrotman: logroate |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | i didn't rotate it! |
| 13:32.39 | TomyLobo | rotates |
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| 13:39.16 | Jeredepp | JonB : For requests on port 1337, like serverurl.com:1337 |
| 13:39.43 | JonB | Jeredepp: do you have virtual apache hosts? |
| 13:39.46 | ptrb | I'm getting weird locale issues in my fresh install of 6.0.3; "can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" and so on. Is there some tried-and-true method of fixing this? |
| 13:39.51 | Jeredepp | JonB : BS let me rephrase the situation |
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| 13:40.35 | JonB | ptrb: are LC_* and LANG set at all? |
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| 13:40.38 | abrotman | ptrb: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. then logout/login |
| 13:40.39 | TomyLobo | bah dnet-common even pulled in parts of an old libboost |
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| 13:41.54 | ptrb | JonB: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" and LC_CTYPE="UTF-8" |
| 13:41.59 | Jeredepp | JonB : my accelerator listens to port 1337 (which works) now i need to redirect those requests to apache on localhost, i got productive stuff on my webserver so it shouldn't disturb that enviroment. Right now i got following statement in the ports.conf "NameVirtualHost *:80 Listen 80" and i need it to listen to localhost:1337 |
| 13:41.59 | ptrb | abrotman: done that many times, unfortunately |
| 13:42.13 | JonB | ptrb: that seems reasonable to me |
| 13:42.28 | ptrb | JonB: Me, too. Why is everything complaining? |
| 13:43.02 | Jeredepp | JonB : i got a hostconfig which listens to localhost:1337 i just don't know how to redirect those from apache |
| 13:43.09 | JonB | ptrb: I am afraid I can help you no further, you have reached the peak of my knowledge ;-) |
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| 13:44.19 | JonB | Jeredepp: did you try a NameVirtualHost localhost: 1337 ? |
| 13:44.39 | ptrb | another good example: https://gist.github.com/2725347 |
| 13:45.06 | JonB | Jeredepp: check that your accelerator does not block localhost:1337 like with netstat -a -p -n | grep 1337 |
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| 13:46.42 | Jeredepp | JonB : i added the line but i can't see apache listen to localhost:1337 i see the accelerator listening to ipofserver:1337 |
| 13:47.09 | xylon___ | question: what does a default deb squeeze istall do if the battery runs out? |
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| 13:48.16 | JonB | Jeredepp: you probably have to Listen 1337 as well |
| 13:48.44 | JonB | Jeredepp: but cant you just redirect your accelerator to port 80? |
| 13:48.46 | xylon___ | that number gives me dejavu |
| 13:49.20 | tralala | xylon___, it initiates self-destruct |
| 13:49.26 | Jeredepp | JonB : -.- yeah that sounds like an option... |
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| 13:54.29 | fosstux | How are the parameters to create a 10 gb disk image with dd? I know dd if=/dev/zero of=filename - but how do I tell dd the filesize? It should be base for a kvm imagge. |
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| 13:55.14 | dvs | fosstux: use the bs and count parameters |
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| 13:56.00 | ksuhku | fosstux, man dd is the command |
| 13:56.14 | fosstux | I've got that open |
| 13:56.30 | jordanm | fosstux: bs=4096 count=2621440 |
| 13:56.30 | fosstux | but its not clear to me - that's why I'm asking ;-) |
| 13:56.33 | fosstux | thx |
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| 13:58.01 | ecolitan | thing is that in the system_aliases router i have included the config |
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| 14:03.00 | Night_Elf | I get this message in my logfile: refused mount request from 10.20.10.81 for /usr/nfsexports/blade7 (/): not exported. On the other hand, I have this in/etc/exports: /usr/nfsexports/blade7 @machines(rw,sync). And in /etc/netgroup I have: machines (10.20.10.10,,) (10.20.10.20,,) (10.20.10.81,,) |
| 14:03.13 | Night_Elf | What is wrong that the mount fails and it says the request is refused? What is not exported ? |
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| 14:04.42 | Jeredepp | JonB : now it works |
| 14:04.52 | Jeredepp | JonB : thanks for showing me the obvious :) |
| 14:05.29 | JonB | Jeredepp: ok |
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| 14:07.47 | freestyle1021 | hi |
| 14:07.56 | jelly | Night_Elf: does "showmount -e servername" show it exported? |
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| 14:08.31 | freestyle1021 | any idea? |
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| 14:09.35 | Night_Elf | jelly: the showmount -e 10.20.10.11 does contain this line in the output: /usr/nfsexports/blade7 @machines |
| 14:10.12 | Night_Elf | jelly: I'm thinking, the tripples that comprise each element of the netgroup, can they be ip addresses like in my case, or only names that have to be resolved ? |
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| 14:10.43 | gionnico | hi |
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| 14:11.07 | gionnico | i have debian wheezy and changed my VGA to the internal radeon HD4000 series (RS880) |
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| 14:11.21 | helo | the default download links for (at least) the stable business card isos don't work... i.e. the .torrent |
| 14:11.36 | gionnico | but wheezy doesn't have fglrx-drivers because of incompatibility with latest xorg. is it possible to install fglrx without going to sid ? |
| 14:12.01 | gionnico | i absolutely need the xvba hardware hd decoder for H264 |
| 14:12.06 | gionnico | and mp4 |
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| 14:12.27 | gionnico | and opensource ati radeon drivers don't even have little 3D support |
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| 14:13.09 | jordanm | !daemon |
| 14:13.09 | dpkg | A daemon is a process that runs in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention. Daemons typically have no controlling terminal, see http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 for details on implementing a daemon. http://wiki.debian.org/Daemon |
| 14:13.15 | jordanm | !radeon |
| 14:13.15 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 14:13.37 | gionnico | !fglrx |
| 14:13.37 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:13.38 | jordanm | gionnico: yes, it does (not sure how I managed to type out daemon the first time and hit enter) |
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| 14:14.19 | gionnico | jordanm, i'm using Driver "radeon" |
| 14:14.31 | gionnico | and i dont get GLX nor direct rendering: "yes" in glxinfo |
| 14:14.31 | nkuttler | fglrx works just fine for me on testing |
| 14:14.50 | gionnico | nkuttler, maybe you're outdated. i can't find the package in testing! |
| 14:15.23 | nkuttler | gionnico: maybe because you misspelled it. it's fglrx-driver |
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| 14:15.35 | gionnico | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx-driver |
| 14:15.45 | jordanm | gionnico: did you install libgl1-mesa-dri and the radeon firmware? |
| 14:15.46 | babilen | recommends the free radeon driver (/msg dpkg radeon) and #debian-next :) |
| 14:15.51 | nkuttler | !why is fglrx-driver not in testing |
| 14:15.51 | dpkg | fglrx-driver is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fglrx-driver |
| 14:15.58 | nkuttler | meh |
| 14:16.14 | jordanm | ,versions fglrx-dkms |
| 14:16.16 | judd | No package named 'fglrx-dkms' was found in i386. |
| 14:16.19 | gionnico | because it doesnt support latest Xorg. |
| 14:16.24 | gionnico | but that's not a good reason IMHO |
| 14:16.29 | gionnico | one can always install a previous version |
| 14:16.32 | jordanm | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 14:16.33 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-4-1 |
| 14:16.50 | gionnico | and fglrx should have a override option to work even with newer xorg. it would probably work without any change |
| 14:16.55 | gionnico | nvidia proprietary have such an option.. |
| 14:17.09 | gionnico | jordanm, can i install the deb package with dpkg ? |
| 14:17.16 | gionnico | will it install the module dkms also, correctly? |
| 14:17.41 | jordanm | gionnico: it doesn't look like the newer version will work. its not in testing for an RC bug |
| 14:17.53 | nkuttler | gionnico: well if you absolutely need a feature you shouldn't be running testing in the first place. anyway, you might just pull in the x sid packages.. |
| 14:17.57 | jordanm | gionnico: I would make atleast some effort to get 3D working with "radeon" |
| 14:18.05 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 14:18.12 | gionnico | nkuttler, well I need hardware acceleration for video decoding |
| 14:18.12 | jordanm | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 |
| 14:18.22 | babilen | gionnico: Why don't you join #debian-next and read "/msg dpkg tum" -- That allows you to pull packages from sid. Furthermore: I still recommend to use the free radeon driver as it really is good and provides hardware 3d acceleration when libgl1-mesa-dri and the firmware is installed. |
| 14:18.34 | gionnico | and that's definitely not supported by squeeze. that's why updated to testing, to have all the media programs that support hardware video decoding |
| 14:18.56 | nkuttler | gionnico: or search for old packages in the snapshots archive |
| 14:19.00 | gionnico | jordanm, 3d is not enough for me. i need to work with HD videos |
| 14:19.13 | gionnico | and xvba is really only supported by fglrx |
| 14:19.18 | babilen | gionnico: It might be that you need a newer Xorg version and/or kernel (which you could have installed on squeeze from squeeze backports) -- All that being said: Just try radeon with hw accel. |
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| 14:19.48 | jordanm | babilen: due to driver bugs, he needs older xorg and newer fglrx |
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| 14:20.13 | babilen | To get 3D hw acceleration with radeon? o_O ;) |
| 14:20.16 | jordanm | I personally don't buy ATI for that kind of stuff, although I am dealing with nvidia driver bugs now anyways... |
| 14:20.23 | jordanm | babilen: no, with fglrx |
| 14:20.57 | gionnico | jordanm, no 3d accel but bitstream decode of m2ts videos |
| 14:21.03 | Rockj | Q: Im using wheezy and gnome classic, is there a way to make the WM not pick up keyboard shortcuts? I want to send F11 to an application in my terminal, but it is picked up by the WM... so is there a way to "escape" it? or do you really have to redefine hotkeys? |
| 14:21.37 | intore | hi, i've a debian pc with 3 network interfaces but only one runs (eth1). after connecting the cable they don't keep an ip address. could you help me please? |
| 14:21.47 | gionnico | i think you need GLX for xvba. but radeon even with firmware will only provide glx |
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| 14:23.02 | gionnico | so i apt-get install -t sid fglrx-driver |
| 14:23.06 | gionnico | and then install a previous xorg |
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| 14:23.32 | gionnico | can I ban newer xorg from apt-get update(s ) ? |
| 14:23.36 | Rockj | intore: your network has DHCP running? And how does it not keep an IP address? what do you mean? that you get a new IP address every time you connect or? |
| 14:23.44 | engla | Rockj: there is no way to escape it no |
| 14:23.54 | jordanm | ,versions xorg |
| 14:23.55 | judd | Package: xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+13; wheezy: 1:7.6+13 |
| 14:24.16 | simonlnu | !tell gionnico -about hold |
| 14:24.19 | jordanm | gionnico: sure, but its not going to help you since testing and sid have the same version |
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| 14:24.42 | simonlnu | kinds uesless to put them on hold then hehe |
| 14:24.51 | Rockj | engla: awh, do you know if other WMs support it maybe? |
| 14:24.52 | gionnico | jordanm, no well i'm installing fglrx-driver from sid |
| 14:25.28 | engla | Rockj: not that I know, maybe some of the advanced/configurable WMs do |
| 14:25.43 | intore | Rockj, yes i've a dhcp server. after connecting the cable to a network interface and launching networking restart the dhcp server doesn't assign an ip address |
| 14:26.33 | intore | Rockj, in /network/interfaces i set all the three interfaces with dhcp |
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| 14:26.39 | babilen | gionnico: You will have a problem with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 -- Please note in particular http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320#18 |
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| 14:26.46 | Rockj | intore: is this a server or desktop (as in using network-manager or something like that) or you configure it in interfaces? |
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| 14:27.31 | gionnico | babilen, wheezy has xorg server 1.11.4-1 |
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| 14:27.36 | gionnico | so it should really work.. |
| 14:27.42 | gionnico | or i can use 1.10 .. |
| 14:27.57 | Rockj | intore: aha, ok. But are you running a desktop? Ive always struggled with network-manager and make it read interfaces file, so if you use network-manager use the GUI to set it properties |
| 14:27.59 | intore | this a pc without X. it's in textual mode. it will be the server |
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| 14:28.29 | intore | Rockj, i use interfaces |
| 14:28.39 | Rockj | intore: aha , ok. when you connect your cable, check with 'dmesg' which interface it detects that you connect your cable on |
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| 14:29.55 | babilen | gionnico: Ah, right. Yeah, that would work. See "/msg dpkg tum" (and #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) for details on how to setup a testing/unstable mix. Furthermore make sure that your default release *and* entry in sources.list match (Recommended to use "testing" and "unstable") |
| 14:30.15 | Rockj | intore: pastebin your interfaces file, but basically make sure you set auto <interface> and iface <interface> inet dhcp for ipv4. |
| 14:30.47 | Rockj | intore: also tail /var/log/{daemon.log,messages,syslog} to look for any errors from your dhclient. |
| 14:32.00 | Rockj | normally you find rather verbose and clear error messages there if there's any problems |
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| 14:33.27 | intore | Rockj, ok, runs, everyone. after the failed networking restart i thought they were not installed |
| 14:33.35 | intore | Rockj, thanks |
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| 14:35.38 | ompaul | intore: how did you resolve the home directory issue? |
| 14:35.48 | Rockj | intore: hm? failed networking restart? tho, it's easy to see if your interface has any ip. ifconfig <interface> or "ip -4 a" if you have iproute2 :] |
| 14:36.05 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.33 | ompaul | it will tell you the addresses if you do /sbin/ifconfig -a it will tell you about interfaces that have not started but are there |
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| 14:38.15 | intore | Rockj, i ifdown/ifup every interfaces after connect and they had the ip from the dhcp server |
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| 14:39.13 | Rockj | intore: ah, you have to have set hotplug/auto in interfaces if it should start em automagically by restarting networking afaik |
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| 14:40.29 | intore | hi ompaul, bad argument! at the end i've to follow your suggestion and use nfs. but i use also ldap and i need kerberos. many things in one time and not a lot of time to finish this work |
| 14:40.55 | intore | Rockj, i did it. every interface runs |
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| 14:41.03 | intore | Rockj, thank you |
| 14:41.11 | kesroesweyth | I just ran apt-get upgrade and it installed "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64". That is the kernel, no? Do I need to reboot after the process completes? |
| 14:41.48 | Rockj | intore: hm, any particular reason for using ldap? if you have any other way of distroing our the passwd-files etc, I'd rather stick with that then playing with ldap and complicate it a lot ;p |
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| 14:42.02 | ompaul | kesroesweyth: after upgrades you must restart at this time |
| 14:42.13 | Rockj | depends if you have a system like puppet (etc) to deploy it tho |
| 14:42.17 | kesroesweyth | ompaul thanks |
| 14:42.25 | ompaul | kesroesweyth: run uname -a and see what's running |
| 14:43.05 | kesroesweyth | ompaul it says 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:43.15 | intore | Rockj, which others way than ldap? |
| 14:44.06 | Rockj | intore: depends what you actually use ldap for, do you use it for anything more then just storing username and groups? |
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| 14:44.32 | kesroesweyth | ompaul should I still reboot? |
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| 14:45.16 | mattalexx | I'm running Squeeze 32-bit. I want to open up my large memory bank, but I don't at this moment want to install the 64-bit kernel. Should I install linux-image-686-bigmem or linux-image-686-pae? |
| 14:45.21 | intore | Rockj, is to authenticate the clients |
| 14:45.37 | ompaul | kesroesweyth: then you have rebooted you may have downloaded something else like modules or source look in your log directly for files /var/logs/apt/ |
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| 14:46.22 | Rockj | intore: if your bringing in kerberos, there's no need for ldap aslong as you have a way to distro the passwd/group files afaik to your clients. |
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| 14:47.16 | ompaul | kesroesweyth: the command I gave you tells you the current running kernel >> uname -a << the fact you say you downloaded it and it is your current kernel, you can't have both, you either downloaded it, or it was there and you downloaded something else |
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| 14:48.31 | kesroesweyth | ompaul I understand. It said "Preparing to replace linux-base 2.6.32-41" then right after, "Preparing to replace linux-base 2.6.32-5-amd64" |
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| 14:49.01 | ompaul | kesroesweyth: and what does >> uname -a << say |
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| 14:49.43 | kesroesweyth | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:49.48 | kesroesweyth | @ompaul |
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| 14:50.48 | ompaul | kesroesweyth: no need for the @ this is not IM or twitter it is irc ;-) then I think you have no reason to reboot, however it doesn't add up in my brain. |
| 14:51.50 | kesroesweyth | ompaul meh, @ meant that message was directed at you. :) okay, maybe I'll reboot just to be on the safe side. It seemed odd to me too, but I'm not a linux pro or anything. |
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| 14:53.12 | intore | Rockj, so you suggest to use kerberos and nfs? |
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| 14:56.17 | debian23 | I have recently moved my server to a new spot and having issues with apache starting and a ssl error and google is not helping me. I literly copied from a working setup my certs from godaddy and ugh |
| 14:56.28 | debian23 | Illegal attempt to re-initialise SSL for server |
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| 14:56.56 | Diopter | debian23: Do you have the same IPs? |
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| 14:57.21 | debian23 | its a wildcard cert. no the current is running on anouther ip and this is a diffrent ip . |
| 14:57.51 | Diopter | debian23: Alrighty, but I presume you updated DNS to point to the new box? |
| 14:57.56 | debian23 | oh and I converted the wildcard pfx or microsoft cert to a apache2 one |
| 14:58.29 | debian23 | made a test name.domain.com to make sure it works before I shut othere one down |
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| 14:58.50 | debian23 | yes |
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| 14:59.31 | debian23 | I even redid form my old notes the key file and crt file. |
| 14:59.45 | debian23 | from the original godaddy pfx file |
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| 15:00.05 | debian23 | maybe I entered something worng. do you know what I need to do? |
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| 15:01.04 | Diopter | debian23: Maybe but I'm at work. Since you're using a GD cert, maybe this will help you recheck your steps: http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/4976/rekeying-an-ssl-certificate |
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| 15:02.06 | debian23 | ugh I read up on this before I managed to do it with out that. ugh. not sure what I did. |
| 15:02.54 | Rockj | intore: stick with what you have done before I would say. |
| 15:02.54 | debian23 | rekeying .. see we run a micorosft server and we would have to redo all that if we rekey and everything is fine.. and managed to do it before just maybe this newer version of apache 2 complaining Not sure whats wrong |
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| 15:04.09 | debian23 | I had the flu so my notes where not that great bunch of years ago.. not clear on alot.. must of solved it and was done and called it a day with out making notes to what the heck I did.. got the convert part noted but never came across this werror |
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| 15:05.41 | Diopter | debian23: Uhm.... I'm seeing that maybe you are missing an "SSLEngine On" directive in one of your <VirtualHost *:443> blocks |
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| 15:06.11 | Diopter | debian23: That's apparently how you get the illegal ssl re-init error |
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| 15:07.07 | intore | Rockj, now i want to use the easier way to finish so maybe is better nfs and kerberos. what do you think? |
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| 15:08.31 | Rockj | intore: kerberos is probably more difficult, more win in the long run tho. and kerberos requires 2 seperate nodes too just to have the system up and running. (for security) |
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| 15:08.52 | Rockj | quickest way is probably to find some easy ldap tutorial which feeds the ldap db. with username and passwords |
| 15:09.07 | Rockj | then you only have to hook up nss |
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| 15:09.55 | debian23 | I have it down to just one site. and I have tried <VirtualHost *:443> and <VirtualHost IPHERE:443> And commenting it out in the main apach2 config (gave more erorrs) i certainly donot have that issue |
| 15:10.47 | debian23 | yah so one site tells me from the almighty google but thats not it.. I even copied and made changes (to fellows old I might add notes ) same thing |
| 15:11.14 | Rockj | intore: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM etc |
| 15:11.49 | debian23 | last time I contacted support at go daddy going to try that again something they said then made me think and helped me get by functiality.. although I did'nt have this issue or error then.. then I just could not get it to function |
| 15:12.01 | krisfremen | hmm, this is weird |
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| 15:12.16 | krisfremen | I'm running debian squeeze, and it won't recognize all the resolutions of the monitor |
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| 15:13.24 | debian23 | so to be clear I have "SSLEngine On" in my main config (because it gives aerrors if it s not there and "SSLEngine On" in my virtual ssl file in sites enabled. |
| 15:13.31 | intore | Rockj, at the moment ldap runs and i can authenticate from the shell but the difficult is mount the home dir from the server on the clients and with samba i found many diffculties |
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| 15:14.39 | Night_Elf | NFS related. Can someone please help me intepret this? http://paste.debian.net/169430/ In there, "atlas" is the server and "e0" is the client, my computer. I am running out of ideas to understand what is going wrong. |
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| 15:15.24 | gionnico | what do this mean in Xorg.0.log ? |
| 15:15.28 | gionnico | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 15:21.13 | npx | I'd also like to encourage Intel graphics users on Debian 6.0 to upgrade to the 3.2 backport; it's noticeably better with compiz |
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| 15:30.37 | debian23 | jhutchins_lt if you made it yourself sure you can there is a command |
| 15:31.19 | debian23 | not sure off hand but you can add more days to it. |
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| 15:31.37 | debian23 | if you pay well you just pay again I think |
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| 15:32.26 | at0m | kesroesweyth: it's more a convention. makes clients react to the hilights better. |
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| 15:41.01 | bfig | hello. any idea how i can compile something including libassimp? i haven't been able to find it in the documentation |
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| 15:41.47 | nsadmin | , versions libassimp |
| 15:41.48 | judd | No package named 'libassimp' was found in i386. |
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| 15:42.11 | bfig | bfv@localhost:/home/bfv/wk/f/compgraf/repos/proy$ apt-cache search libassimp |
| 15:42.11 | bfig | libassimp-dev - 3D model import library (development) |
| 15:42.15 | nsadmin | not sure. do you know the debian package name for that lib? |
| 15:42.25 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:42.41 | nsadmin | , depends libassimp-dev |
| 15:42.42 | judd | No package named 'libassimp-dev' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 15:43.01 | nsadmin | hmm... a mystery... |
| 15:43.04 | Diopter | Appears to be in testing |
| 15:43.28 | Diopter | Depends on libassimp2, which depends on libc6, libgcc1, libstdc++6, zlib1g |
| 15:43.32 | nsadmin | , versions libassimp-dev |
| 15:43.33 | judd | Package: libassimp-dev on i386 -- sid: 2.0.863+dfsg-2+b1; wheezy: 2.0.863+dfsg-2+b1 |
| 15:43.40 | UNIm95 | Hi to all. what name has package with postgreSQL server? i typed apt-get remove postgresql but it is stiil installed in system |
| 15:44.04 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 15:44.05 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; wheezy: 9.1+129; sid: 9.1+130 |
| 15:45.01 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql-server |
| 15:45.02 | judd | No package named 'postgresql-server' was found in i386. |
| 15:45.24 | bfig | ok, i have the lib but i don't know how to link to it |
| 15:45.33 | bfig | or how to compile using its headers |
| 15:45.35 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql-server-9.1 |
| 15:45.36 | judd | No package named 'postgresql-server-9.1' was found in i386. |
| 15:45.45 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql-9.1-server |
| 15:45.45 | roe | does judd have the ability to search other archs? |
| 15:45.46 | judd | No package named 'postgresql-9.1-server' was found in i386. |
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| 15:46.45 | roe | . versions postgresql |
| 15:46.49 | roe | , versions postgresql |
| 15:46.50 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; wheezy: 9.1+129; sid: 9.1+130 |
| 15:47.04 | nsadmin | if you'll hold on just a sec, I'll get you a list of packages which were produced from a recent complie of pg-8.3 |
| 15:47.19 | F`ckJustinBieber | is there any package for removing broken parts of a video file and repair it?! |
| 15:47.56 | roe | try apt-get install ThisIsNCIS |
| 15:48.21 | RLa | virtualdub maybe |
| 15:48.39 | RLa | last time i used it for reducing camera shaking |
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| 15:48.57 | nsadmin | libecpg6_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb libecpg-compat3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb libecpg-dev_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb libpgtypes3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb libpq5_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb libpq-dev_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql_8.3.17-0lenny1_all.deb postgresql-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql-client_8.3.17-0lenny1_all.deb postgresql-client-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql-contrib_8.3.17-0lenny1_all.deb postgre |
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| 15:48.57 | nsadmin | sql-contrib-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql-doc_8.3.17-0lenny1_all.deb postgresql-doc-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_all.deb postgresql-plperl-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql-plpython-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql-pltcl-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb postgresql-server-dev-8.3_8.3.17-0lenny1_amd64.deb |
| 15:49.12 | nsadmin | that;s the full list of .debs |
| 15:49.33 | nsadmin | and later versions will be similar |
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| 15:51.03 | Pnoexz | hey, i have an HD with some busted blocks on unallocated space, i would like to make a new partition in it in the biggest working space. Where should i start? |
| 15:51.32 | nsadmin | roe, yes... with --arch=amd64 for example |
| 15:51.59 | nsadmin | UNIm95, get all that? :) |
| 15:52.02 | roe | , versions --arch=amd64 postgresql |
| 15:52.03 | judd | No package named '--arch=amd64' was found in i386. |
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| 15:52.59 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql --arch=amd64 |
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| 15:53.00 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; wheezy: 9.1+129; sid: 9.1+130 |
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| 15:53.06 | roe | gotcha |
| 15:53.12 | roe | thanks |
| 15:53.21 | nsadmin | welxome "_ |
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| 15:55.33 | kesroesweyth | at0m that's the best argument I've heard so far |
| 15:56.19 | nsadmin | arguments are 5 quid for a half hour... |
| 15:56.30 | gionnico | can i have verbose package installation?= |
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| 15:58.24 | gionnico | why i've installed apt-get -t sid install fglrx-driver correctly |
| 15:58.34 | gionnico | but i dont have this file: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so ? |
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| 16:00.28 | nsadmin | gionnico, first hit: man aptitude, around line 582 (log-level and log-file) |
| 16:00.28 | rootant | o/ |
| 16:01.51 | Pnoexz | quick question, is it possible to install debian on an already working linux system, on an empty partition? |
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| 16:02.16 | nsadmin | gionnico, and, near line 858, -v verbose |
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| 16:02.51 | gionnico | the package really doesnt provice that file. but it does provide the module in /usr/lib/fglrx/fglrx_drv.so |
| 16:02.59 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, yes, if you can get debootstrap working, which is likely |
| 16:03.06 | gionnico | i'll try # ln -sv ../../../fglrx/fglrx_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers |
| 16:03.21 | jelly | anyone ever seen a sshd banner like SSH-2.0-PANSSH_0.1 (or any other "PANSSH" one)? |
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| 16:03.40 | jelly | I'd like to know which software or hardware comes with that |
| 16:03.55 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 16:04.02 | nsadmin | np |
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| 16:04.34 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, there are tarballs of debootstrap for just that purpose |
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| 16:04.53 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: awesome, will look em up |
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| 16:05.45 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, you ok with building stuff should that be necessary? |
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| 16:15.41 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: sry, was afk.. i should be able to, i have a little experience with debian (used it for 2 years) |
| 16:16.05 | nsadmin | sounds plenty to me :) |
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| 16:16.34 | nsadmin | in any case, you're welcome to stick around in case you have issues pop up |
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| 16:16.56 | Pnoexz | on the other hand, not many things go wrong with debian, so not so much of troubleshooting experience |
| 16:17.08 | Pnoexz | i still need to find where to install this |
| 16:17.25 | nsadmin | oh, did you find a tarball? |
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| 16:17.51 | Pnoexz | no, its just that my hd has some busted blocks on unallocated space, so i need to find the biggest working space and make a new partition there |
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| 16:18.10 | nsadmin | oic... |
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| 16:18.52 | nsadmin | so I don't have much experience in that area... I tend to get new or working drives |
| 16:19.01 | Pnoexz | im still having issues translating badblocks' output into something useful for fdisk |
| 16:19.05 | nsadmin | hate it when head crashes happen... |
| 16:20.04 | nsadmin | just so you know... badblocks may or may not be a read-only test |
| 16:20.58 | Pnoexz | yup, but its empty space, besides, by default it does an "nondestructive" write-read test, but you can force it to do it destructively |
| 16:21.25 | Pnoexz | anyways, no important data in there |
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| 16:23.25 | Diopter | Pnoexz: mke2fs -c <- checks for bad blocks |
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| 16:24.26 | Pnoexz | Diopter: opening man for mke2fs, thanks |
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| 16:30.23 | Pnoexz | thats weird.. mke2fs says /dev/sda3 doesnt exist, but fdisk -l shows it.. ls /dev/sda* doesnt list it |
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| 16:33.46 | blub | Hi! |
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| 16:34.35 | nsadmin | blub, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 16:35.33 | blub | I've just nuked my testing system by inadvertantly moving libc out of the way. Now how do I resurrect this? Simply booting from CD into rescue mode, then copying the library file back into /lib/arch-linux-gnu/... doesn't work. |
| 16:35.56 | blub | Hi nsadmin! :) |
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| 16:39.27 | nsadmin | doesn't work? then you must have done something else |
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| 16:40.03 | nsadmin | booting into rescue mode might not work since libc is used |
| 16:40.32 | blub | nsadmin: no, while booting, the kernel complains that it cannot load the library, then kills init and doesn't sync. On the screen, I see a short stacktrace, and my keyboard leds are blinking. |
| 16:41.14 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe I'm not thinking correctly about this... Do I even have to tell rsync that ssh is running on an alternate port? |
| 16:41.44 | blub | there appears to be no way to verify that the file ended up there - although in rescue mode, "ls -l libc*" seemed to indicate the right thing. maybe the inode was hard-coded into the initrd image (which I currently cannot re-create)? |
| 16:42.02 | rudi_s | jhutchins_lt: You have to tell ssh - how you tell it doesn't matter. |
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| 16:42.33 | rudi_s | Either via rsync with -e 'ssh -p port' or in .ssh/config. |
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| 16:45.06 | nsadmin | if putting the one file you moved doesn't do it, there's something else going on |
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| 16:45.27 | deed02392 | By default should Debian invoke all init.d scripts with the 'start' argument on boot? |
| 16:45.29 | nsadmin | (that is you must have done more than just move one file) |
| 16:45.43 | deed02392 | Or do I have to run a command to register scripts to do that |
| 16:45.49 | blub | nsadmin: maybe, but error messages are a bit scarce, and I have no ldd & friends in the rescue mode. |
| 16:45.56 | nsadmin | deed02392, not necessarily all |
| 16:46.16 | deed02392 | Well I got one with the nginx package (I think, I might have compiled from src), and it doesn't seem to be invoked |
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| 16:47.27 | blub | nsadmin: the error message is "/sbin/init: cannot load ... libc.so.6", and |
| 16:47.37 | blub | from there, the kernel goes to kill init |
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| 16:48.39 | blub | looking at other machines, i find that they have libc.so.6 as a symlink to their current libc-x.y.so (x.y = version number), and the file has to be in /lib/<arch>-linux-gnu |
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| 16:49.17 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: Thanks. |
| 16:50.14 | rudi_s | np |
| 16:50.54 | Night_Elf | NFS related. Can someone please help me intepret this? http://paste.debian.net/169430/ In there, "atlas" is the server and "e0" is the client, my computer. I am running out of ideas to understand what is going wrong. |
| 16:52.20 | peterrooney | deed02392: you put the script in /etc/init.d/rc${runlevel}.d/ -- the defualt runlevel for debian is 2 |
| 16:53.06 | peterrooney | deed02392: SORRY, I meant /etc/rc${runlevel}.d/ -- the defualt runlevel for debian is 2 |
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| 16:53.41 | deed02392 | oh rlly |
| 16:53.52 | deed02392 | so I should move it from /etc/nginx to /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 16:54.04 | deed02392 | and rename it in numerical order so it loads in that order right? |
| 16:54.20 | deed02392 | hm why am I just learning this now lol |
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| 16:55.03 | blub | deed02392: you should imho copy the init script of the system's nginx package to, say, nginx-local, then construct a link to it using update-rc.d |
| 16:55.05 | nsadmin | there's actyally programs that do that... these days, you put these comment things in the script, something reads them and schedules based on dependency |
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| 16:55.59 | deed02392 | create a symlink to it you mean blub ? |
| 16:56.37 | blub | deed02392: yes, like /etc/rc2.d/S20nginx-local -> ../init.d/nginx-local (update-rc.d does it for you in a structured way) |
| 16:57.09 | deed02392 | what do you mean update-rc.d does it? |
| 16:57.17 | deed02392 | you mean use update-rc.d to create the symlink? |
| 16:57.22 | blub | it creates the symlinks |
| 16:57.25 | deed02392 | or use ln -s to create it |
| 16:57.27 | deed02392 | oh right |
| 16:57.34 | deed02392 | how? |
| 16:57.52 | blub | man update-rc.d |
| 16:58.02 | blub | too many options to copy here, anyway |
| 16:58.31 | paulfm | My sound card is not producing any sound… I verified the module is loaded.. mixer is up… any ideas? |
| 16:58.40 | nsadmin | blub, oh, he's on lenny? as far as update-rc.d, there's a new game in tosn |
| 16:58.52 | Pnoexz | !tell paulfm alsa-checklist |
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| 16:59.05 | Pnoexz | !tell paulfm alsa checklist |
| 16:59.17 | Pnoexz | (01:59:06 PM) dpkg: No, pnoexz, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 16:59.28 | Pnoexz | paulfm: say /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 16:59.41 | blub | nsadmin: dunno where he is, but i'm on another testing (= almost wheezy) machine, and it has update-rc.d. what was that other game in town, once i get my "real" machine to boot again? |
| 16:59.42 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, just tell him /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 16:59.48 | paulfm | Pnoexz: thanks… not getting anything yet :-) |
| 16:59.58 | Pnoexz | oh, i forgot the "about" keyword |
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| 17:00.04 | paulfm | heh |
| 17:00.31 | nsadmin | blub, ahh, so you should be on that too... look into insserv |
| 17:00.41 | deed02392 | ok thanks blub |
| 17:01.24 | blub | nsadmin: thx, but... still no clue with the libc problem? re-installing isn't really an option, on top of LUKS & co. =8-| |
| 17:02.14 | rainfyre | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.16 | blub | trying to rescue from a squeeze cd went horribly bad - i had really brokend file systems (ext3) afterwards... |
| 17:02.23 | rainfyre | blub, what is 'almost' testing? :) |
| 17:02.51 | blub | rainfyre: did I say "almost testing"? wanted to say: testing, aka "almost wheezy" |
| 17:03.00 | blub | i mean; as of yesterday |
| 17:03.02 | rainfyre | ahh |
| 17:03.09 | rainfyre | I see |
| 17:03.16 | rainfyre | not quite there yet |
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| 17:03.55 | blub | tried to go from squeeze to testing yesterday, now my machine is in a @&*#()_@*(#UOAWIh4j !! state |
| 17:04.12 | rainfyre | blub: I did that last week |
| 17:04.21 | rainfyre | blub: well, I didn't break anything though |
| 17:04.22 | blub | the other pc here had almost no problem, works quite nicely (did that ~one or two weeks ago) |
| 17:04.28 | rainfyre | ahh ok |
| 17:04.34 | dawud | blub: you can use systemrescuecd, open the crypto disk, chroot into it and reinstall whatever |
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| 17:05.01 | blub | dawud: systemrescuecd... what, please? |
| 17:05.09 | rainfyre | that's cool |
| 17:05.12 | blub | tried cd1 , then rescue mode, but that was not so good |
| 17:05.40 | dawud | blub: systemrescuecd is an specialized live cd (gentoo) for rescuing broken systems |
| 17:05.56 | blub | dawud: thank you! |
| 17:06.01 | blub | checks out systemrescuecd |
| 17:07.02 | engla | hm, would it not be easier to use a debian-based rescue cd? |
| 17:07.17 | engla | rescue usb maybe preferably |
| 17:07.24 | dawud | engla: it doesn't really makes a difference |
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| 17:07.34 | blub | was hoping for a debian live cd, but didn't find it |
| 17:08.04 | engla | dawud: depends on what kind of rescue you do I think |
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| 17:08.20 | dawud | engla: I can't parse that |
| 17:08.39 | engla | ok |
| 17:09.02 | dawud | engla: "...you do, I think" (now I got it :) |
| 17:09.16 | engla | sorry about that |
| 17:09.18 | dawud | engla: and, no, it doesn't really matter |
| 17:09.33 | dizzylizzy | blub: what exactly is the problem |
| 17:09.46 | blub | dizzylizzy: the problem is: my machine doesn't boot anymore. |
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| 17:09.53 | dizzylizzy | Ohh, a luks'd filesystem nproblem |
| 17:09.56 | dizzylizzy | problem* |
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| 17:10.11 | dizzylizzy | well one good thing about lucks is errors are locally contained... that's nice for encryption methods |
| 17:10.16 | dizzylizzy | corruption I mean |
| 17:10.18 | dawud | dizzylizzy: how can you be sure it's because of LUKS? |
| 17:10.26 | dizzylizzy | i didn't say it was because of luks |
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| 17:10.41 | dawud | dizzylizzy > Ohh, a luks'd filesystem nproblem |
| 17:10.44 | blub | dizzylizzy: i can boot, get asked for the passphrase, then /sbin/init fails to load libc.so.6, then the kernel panics |
| 17:11.02 | dizzylizzy | before or after you enter the password |
| 17:11.08 | dawud | lol |
| 17:11.10 | dizzylizzy | and which password |
| 17:11.11 | blub | dizzylizzy: after |
| 17:11.17 | dizzylizzy | do you have a /boot password? |
| 17:11.20 | blub | no |
| 17:11.27 | dizzylizzy | ah so it's only /home encryption? |
| 17:11.27 | blub | i just have a luks passphrase |
| 17:11.35 | dawud | dizzylizzy: /boot can't be on LUKS |
| 17:11.36 | blub | no`x, it's everything except /boot |
| 17:11.40 | engla | dizzylizzy: unencrypted /boot, encrypted / is normal |
| 17:11.52 | dizzylizzy | :-/ I'm sorry that's what I meant |
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| 17:12.22 | dizzylizzy | libc.so.6 is on / |
| 17:12.54 | Mmike | how do I reinitialize mysql datadir in debian? |
| 17:12.55 | dizzylizzy | so yes you will want to mount that filesystem, and unencrypt it, while not booting off of it |
| 17:13.02 | blub | in the rescue mode, i chose the .../mapper/...-root partition as my root file system, and there, i tried to put the lib several times. only it doesn't get loaded. |
| 17:13.05 | dawud | dizzylizzy: that can be anywhere.... in my case, it's a root_lv on a root_vg on a md device on top of LUKS |
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| 17:13.45 | blub | std setup: md + lvm + luks |
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| 17:14.13 | dawud | blub: so go get the sysrescuecd iso and boot it up |
| 17:14.23 | dawud | blub: let's fix it |
| 17:14.26 | mofino | is there a channel for the debian installer? |
| 17:14.34 | engla | mofino: yes on oftc |
| 17:14.40 | blub | dawud: its still loading... |
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| 17:14.58 | dawud | blub: oks :) |
| 17:15.20 | dizzylizzy | wait |
| 17:15.22 | blub | but if the rescue mode would have a dpkg + stuff, that would not have been an issue. also a working sync would be *really* nice, |
| 17:15.36 | blub | I mean, the rescue mode of the standard CD1 |
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| 17:15.46 | mofino | thanks engla |
| 17:15.47 | dawud | blub: syncing is what we're gonna do |
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| 17:15.57 | dizzylizzy | faascinating |
| 17:16.07 | dawud | blub: once we've mounted it and chrroted into it |
| 17:16.18 | dawud | blub: s/chrroted/chrooted |
| 17:16.27 | blub | dawud: saying "reboot" after exiting busybox rather feels like a hard reset, and doesn't even release the boot cd |
| 17:17.03 | dawud | blub: are you talking about the screwed system? |
| 17:17.09 | blub | dawud: there also seems to be no way to unmount /target, once one would like to go into the chosen root file system |
| 17:17.25 | blub | dawud: yes ? |
| 17:17.56 | blub | i mean, booting from cd, then saying reboot, should release the cd, but doesn't |
| 17:18.27 | dawud | blub: debian rescue cd, yes? |
| 17:18.46 | dawud | blub: forget about that |
| 17:18.56 | blub | dawud: no, the debian installation cd 1, which has a rescue mode - that's what i tried so far, but with no success |
| 17:19.28 | dawud | blub: ok. I wouldn't know how to rescue anything either |
| 17:19.36 | dawud | blub: using that |
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| 17:20.05 | blub | dawud: if that could be improved, that would be great! |
| 17:20.19 | dawud | blub: when you have sysrescuecd downloaded, burn it or use a USB, whatever your box can boot from |
| 17:20.28 | blub | that's currently underway |
| 17:20.30 | blub | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.00 | blub | i mean, burning... for booting, i'll be then afk, as the broken box is in another room |
| 17:21.11 | dawud | blub: yes, but that's a debian installer, it does have some rescue mode stuff, nothing near a dedicated rescue distribution |
| 17:22.27 | dawud | blub: one thing: are you completely sure to have erased only that very library |
| 17:22.44 | dawud | blub: libc.so.6 |
| 17:22.51 | blub | dawud: yes- dpkg told me to move it aside, then i was stupid enough to do it. |
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| 17:22.59 | blub | no`x, i moved aside libc-2.13.so |
| 17:23.03 | blub | not libc.so.6 |
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| 17:24.10 | dawud | blub: ok. but only that very file |
| 17:24.20 | blub | that's because i started out with a borken /var/lib/dpkg/status... |
| 17:24.33 | dawud | blub: nevermind the cause |
| 17:24.41 | dawud | blub: you _moved_ it |
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| 17:24.55 | blub | yes, to /root , then tried to mv it back, but no luck |
| 17:25.02 | dawud | blub: ok |
| 17:25.11 | dawud | blub: it's still there |
| 17:25.15 | blub | or rather cp it back |
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| 17:25.26 | bin_bash | Hey there |
| 17:25.34 | blub | yes, it's there, but still doesn't get loaded - that's what really scares me. |
| 17:25.35 | bin_bash | I'm trying to restart httpd on my vps |
| 17:25.41 | bin_bash | and I don't see it in init.d |
| 17:26.10 | dawud | bin_bash: /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 17:26.21 | dawud | bin_bash: in debian it's not httpd |
| 17:26.23 | bin_bash | ty |
| 17:26.30 | blub | is afk, playin' with the new cd |
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| 17:29.40 | nsadmin | bin_bash, those scripts in /etc/init.d are usually the same as the package name |
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| 17:30.45 | nsadmin | ok, so I'm having a little problem with a foreported packages (yes that's an older package built on a later vers of deb) |
| 17:31.03 | dawud | nsadmin: which one? |
| 17:31.19 | nsadmin | the package is ipmasq, and it needs to start when all nic interfaces are complete |
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| 17:32.11 | nsadmin | it seems to be starting early, and when I stop ipmasq and restart it, all is well |
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| 17:32.44 | nsadmin | well I should test the wireless ap and I have to configure it first, but the wired and the lan are working fine |
| 17:32.49 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: is it in /etc/init.d/? |
| 17:32.58 | dawud | nsadmin: use an LSB tag |
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| 17:33.18 | nsadmin | yep sure is. it assumes it has to put the rcX.d links itself |
| 17:33.23 | nsadmin | I added one |
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| 17:33.35 | nsadmin | not sure what it's doing yet |
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| 17:33.59 | nsadmin | maybe I should completely uninstall the package and then take those things out |
| 17:34.12 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: with an LSB tag, you can tell it where to run, in this case, after network stuff was loaded |
| 17:34.33 | nsadmin | I'll pastebin the start/stop script... it's in there |
| 17:34.59 | kesroesweyth | What's the best way to automate a nightly email containing the output of a given command? Like if I wanted a cron job that, when ran, would take the output of a command and send it via email? |
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| 17:35.39 | Pnoexz | kesroesweyth: making a bash script i think, then cronning it |
| 17:35.40 | dawud | kesroesweyth: cron already does mailing stuff |
| 17:35.48 | Pnoexz | oh, ^ |
| 17:36.05 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, actually, give me a few mins to work on another part of this... I'll be back soon... if you want to see the script now, say so and I'll pastebin it first |
| 17:36.09 | kesroesweyth | dawud I know cron does mailing stuff, but I don't understand exactly *what* it's capable of mailing. |
| 17:36.28 | kesroesweyth | Pnoexz I don't know how to send an email using a bash script |
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| 17:36.38 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: im not good on those tags, only tried once and failed |
| 17:36.43 | nsadmin | usually cron mails the stdout coming from the thing the cron jow ran, to root |
| 17:36.46 | dawud | kesroesweyth: man mail |
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| 17:36.59 | Pnoexz | kesroesweyth: can you send it from a terminal? |
| 17:37.04 | kesroesweyth | I could write a script that runs a few commands and builds a file with some info I'd like to receive via email, but how to send it. |
| 17:37.09 | kesroesweyth | Pnoexz only using telnet |
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| 17:37.13 | kesroesweyth | dawud thanks I'll read that |
| 17:37.23 | dawud | kesroesweyth: telnet? |
| 17:37.24 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, ok, and, offer still good :) |
| 17:37.37 | kesroesweyth | dawud telnet :) |
| 17:37.55 | dawud | kesroesweyth: switch to ssh, It's an order :) |
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| 17:38.18 | kesroesweyth | dawud i only use ssh normally, but I only know how to send an email via telnet |
| 17:38.33 | tscopp | sounds like a learning experience to me :) |
| 17:38.36 | kesroesweyth | hehe |
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| 17:38.51 | dawud | kesroesweyth: aah, you mean using telnet to do all the ehlo stuff |
| 17:38.56 | Pnoexz | kesroesweyth: so how do you send mail with telnet? |
| 17:38.59 | kesroesweyth | dawud exactly |
| 17:39.22 | dawud | kesroesweyth: only do that to debug further than a 25 listening port |
| 17:39.32 | kesroesweyth | Pnoexz google it. it's pretty easy, you just connect to the server, say who you are and what/who you want to send to. |
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| 17:39.42 | dawud | kesroesweyth: sometimes it takes a base64 username/password |
| 17:39.46 | kesroesweyth | Pnoexz same thing a mail client does iirc |
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| 17:40.27 | me-1 | hi....does Debian has something like ubuntu restricted extras if yes how to install them |
| 17:40.49 | dawud | me-1: what does restricted extras have? |
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| 17:41.42 | me-1 | dawud, media codecs , flash player etc mostly propraitry stuff |
| 17:41.56 | dawud | me-1: that would be non-free |
| 17:42.08 | dawud | me-1: and/or multimedia |
| 17:42.24 | nsadmin | (I'm replacing my gw's hardware and upgrading it wo squeeze; right now working on my internal dns zones) |
| 17:42.39 | me-1 | dawud, yes but how to install it |
| 17:42.41 | dawud | dpkg: !tell me-1 about non-free |
| 17:42.41 | dpkg | dawud: I give up, what is it? |
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| 17:42.43 | davidgul | hi |
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| 17:43.08 | davidgul | some one can help me configure grub |
| 17:43.17 | dawud | me-1: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 17:43.33 | dawud | me-1: /msg dpkg multimedia |
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| 17:44.24 | me-1 | how to read the dpkg |
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| 17:44.41 | dawud | me-1: just send a message to the bot (dpkg) |
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| 17:44.57 | dawud | dpkg: multimedia |
| 17:44.58 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>, <why not dmm>. |
| 17:45.02 | dawud | dpkg: non-free |
| 17:45.03 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:45.04 | nsadmin | me-1, it send you a msg when you send it a message |
| 17:45.36 | prodnix_ | hi all, has anyone here used any type of SSD cache? l |
| 17:45.53 | prodnix_ | Like flashcache and bcache? |
| 17:46.07 | me-1 | ok i have non-free repos in my source list |
| 17:46.08 | davidgul | some one can help me configure grub |
| 17:46.20 | kesroesweyth | dawud Pnoexz it looks like I can cat a file and pipe it right into mail. in case that's news to anyone at all but me :) |
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| 17:46.43 | blub | is unhappy with systemrescuecd: kernel panic on trying to mount the luks file system (but doesn't ask for a passphrase) |
| 17:46.51 | dawud | me-1: what are you looking for exactly? |
| 17:47.19 | dawud | blub: we need to go slowly with that one, what steps you took? |
| 17:47.42 | me-1 | dawud, install media codecs for mp3 , flv etc and have flash to watch youtube videos |
| 17:47.53 | blub | dawud: put in the cd, booted, then read the docs to learn that i should type 'rescuecd' at the boot prompt, |
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| 17:48.13 | blub | after that, a 3.2 kernel started, and almost immediately paniced |
| 17:48.17 | dawud | me-1: look for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:48.49 | blub | trying to mount block-0 or so as the root device |
| 17:48.53 | me-1 | ok and for media codecs..? |
| 17:49.02 | dawud | blub: ok, try this, boot rescuecd again, but this time tell it to docache |
| 17:49.09 | dawud | blub: are you on 32 or 64? |
| 17:49.22 | blub | i386, but on amd945 cpu |
| 17:49.34 | dawud | blub: taking about OS, so 32 |
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| 17:49.38 | blub | yes |
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| 17:50.08 | dawud | blub: select he default image, hit TAB to edit the line, add docache and see what happens |
| 17:50.26 | blub | dawud: there is no default image on that cd |
| 17:50.35 | blub | that's why i had to look into the docs |
| 17:50.37 | dawud | blub: what version? |
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| 17:51.17 | blub | dawud: 2.7.0 |
| 17:51.44 | blub | pressing 'enter' yields: "no DEFAULT or UI configuration" (or similar) |
| 17:51.58 | blub | there is no "help" or anything, either |
| 17:52.14 | blub | so i went back to this computer to read the docs on how to get started |
| 17:52.26 | blub | ok, let me try the 'docache' option... |
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| 17:52.35 | blub | plays with the new cd again |
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| 17:53.25 | dawud | blub: you see the help by using F1-F2-... |
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| 17:54.57 | dawud | blub: you should be looking at something that resembles a grub bootloader menu |
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| 17:55.14 | me-1 | debian tells me my sound card is not installed where lucid and Lubuntu had no problems |
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| 17:55.35 | dawud | me-1: maybe a missing module |
| 17:56.04 | dawud | me-1: lspci to find your device |
| 17:57.11 | bin_bash | Is anyone here well-versed in apache errors? |
| 17:57.28 | Diopter | bin_bash: If you have a question, just ask it :) |
| 17:57.31 | Pnoexz | bin_bash: just ask your question |
| 17:57.39 | bin_bash | I'm getting this error: apache2: bad user name apache |
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| 17:58.07 | bin_bash | And I don't see anywhere in apache2.conf where this would be |
| 17:58.33 | dawud | bin_bash: grep User /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 17:58.40 | dawud | bin_bash: will tell you |
| 17:59.00 | nsadmin | ok, bind config is done |
| 17:59.09 | Diopter | nsadmin: bind9? |
| 17:59.16 | nsadmin | yep |
| 17:59.38 | Diopter | Fun. I'm running a pair of Squeeze caching nameservers, myself |
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| 18:00.12 | nsadmin | it's what I was using before, the files I wrote work without alteration, I did add a coupla things... like a third gw nic just for my wap |
| 18:00.16 | dawud | Diopter, nsadmin : any of you doing DNSSEC? |
| 18:00.32 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 18:00.33 | Diopter | dawud: My company is, I'm not doing it myself at present. |
| 18:01.14 | nsadmin | the only security thing I'm doing is making sure the name server doesn't listen on the wan interface |
| 18:01.21 | dawud | Diopter: I need to get into that soon, and I'd like to hear from people actually managing stuff like about hints and the like |
| 18:01.23 | nsadmin | and running fail2ban |
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| 18:01.42 | nsadmin | dawud, that wouldn't beme |
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| 18:01.54 | nsadmin | be me |
| 18:01.58 | dawud | nsadmin: :( |
| 18:02.11 | nsadmin | yeah, never got into that |
| 18:02.15 | Diopter | dawud: Uhm... I might be able to convince my DNS engineer friend/coworker to answer questions. |
| 18:02.28 | Diopter | dawud: Probably best to go research it yourself first so you know what questions to ask :P |
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| 18:02.49 | dawud | there's a new policy at $WORK, NTPS, DNSSEC, SNMPv3(SHA/AES) and on and on |
| 18:02.58 | jmosco | why am I having so much trouble with xinetd? |
| 18:03.01 | jmosco | I cant seem to get it started |
| 18:03.14 | Pnoexz | jmosco: because you are incompetent |
| 18:03.14 | dawud | jmosco: goo look at your logs |
| 18:03.22 | dawud | s/goo/go |
| 18:03.27 | jmosco | I am |
| 18:03.32 | nsadmin | especially to start with... he's possibly offering you some expertise in the form of his engr, and it would be polite of you to gain knowledge so at least you can follow converstaion quickly |
| 18:03.44 | jmosco | thank you for being so nice |
| 18:03.54 | Pnoexz | jmosco: its not my fault you asked the wrong question |
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| 18:04.33 | jmosco | I know |
| 18:04.36 | jmosco | im looking |
| 18:04.40 | jmosco | im just load is all |
| 18:05.03 | jmosco | I got it, thank you |
| 18:05.04 | jmosco | lol |
| 18:05.19 | dawud | jmosco: confess, what was it? |
| 18:05.24 | nsadmin | jmosco, so, anything interesting in there? can't answer "why doesn't it work" without some additional info, like what does it say, and what means "doesn't work" |
| 18:05.43 | nsadmin | oh ok, glad you got it |
| 18:06.07 | nsadmin | you are load? wazzatmean? |
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| 18:07.09 | jmosco | yes, I have an flag not set on the daemon |
| 18:07.23 | abrotman | in /etc/default/xinetd ? |
| 18:07.31 | dawud | and WRT authentication and authorisation, I'm really looking forward to freeipa to get into debian ASAP |
| 18:07.33 | abrotman | or the daemon it was trying to load ? |
| 18:07.40 | nsadmin | isn't that a 20-yard penalty?! |
| 18:08.34 | jmosco | no, one in xinetd.d/ that I did not write |
| 18:08.59 | nsadmin | cool, so good job finding that :) |
| 18:09.08 | dawud | there's some ongoing work http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-freeipa/freeipa.git;a=summary |
| 18:10.32 | dawud | jmosco: there's an augeas lense that could help validating your scripts http://augeas.net/docs/references/lenses/files/xinetd-aug.html |
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| 18:11.12 | nsadmin | when networking is started by insserv, how can I have another service start only when the interfaces are completely specified? |
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| 18:11.41 | abrotman | completely specified or completely up ? |
| 18:11.45 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure there is some cruft left over from lenny and its version of ipmasq |
| 18:11.51 | asarch | What package do I need in order to enable OpenJDK 6 in Epiphany? |
| 18:12.04 | nsadmin | well ideally completely up (all three interfaces) |
| 18:12.05 | asarch | Is it "icedtea-6-plugin"? |
| 18:12.15 | dawud | nsadmin: X-start-after $network IIRC |
| 18:12.21 | abrotman | asarch: try it |
| 18:12.24 | asarch | (I already installed epiphany-extensions) |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | does $network imply physical or full config ? |
| 18:12.42 | nsadmin | for example, do I need to specifically say "auto eth0 eth1 eth2"? |
| 18:12.46 | asarch | I only see a small blue cube |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | nsadmin: what does the interfaces file have to do with this ? |
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| 18:13.24 | nsadmin | it's part of how networking is started |
| 18:13.27 | dawud | abrotman: the latter, as per my understanding |
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| 18:14.17 | abrotman | nsadmin: i'm aware .. but insserv doesn't know about the interfaces file |
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| 18:15.47 | nsadmin | abrotman, ok, so here's what I'm thinking around that... what if just saying allow-hotplug for all these interfaces does not permit insserv to know whether the net is completely up? |
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| 18:16.07 | nsadmin | or does it? or should I make sure by doing auto? |
| 18:16.30 | dawud | nsadmin: better use auto, hotplug interfaces emit a deprecation warning |
| 18:16.39 | nsadmin | the deal is, ipmasq has to start after the interfaces are configd |
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| 18:16.44 | dawud | nsadmin: when services networking restart |
| 18:17.09 | Diopter | nsadmin: You could always trigger it out of if-post-up.d |
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| 18:17.23 | vauxe | I want to add a user that has access to nothing but SFTP at a directory in /var -- what's the best way to do this. |
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| 18:17.39 | dawud | vauxe: chroot sftp user |
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| 18:17.50 | nsadmin | dawud, so insserv might start networking that way? |
| 18:17.55 | vauxe | ill look into that, ty |
| 18:18.03 | abrotman | nsadmin: i use allow-hotplug everywhere i can |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | dawud: eh, he should be using allow-hotplug |
| 18:18.27 | nsadmin | abrotman, where to read on its exact implications? |
| 18:18.45 | dawud | abrotman: maybe I mixed it all up :| |
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| 18:19.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: implementation of what? allow-hotplug ? |
| 18:19.35 | jmosco | dawud: thank you |
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| 18:19.47 | nsadmin | in this case does allow-hotplug mean the interface can detect cable out and allow-hotplug would mean that consequently it sends up some kind of indication the net is no longer up? |
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| 18:20.13 | abrotman | nsadmin: inverse, but yes ... |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | nsadmin: it works somewhat like windows with that |
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| 18:20.30 | nsadmin | ok, that should work |
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| 18:21.18 | nsadmin | I'll be rebooting the gw after putting the X-thing in there |
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| 18:21.55 | blub | dawud: nope, i looked at "boot: ", and nothing else. |
| 18:22.16 | blub | But anyway, the only thing I got, was more kernel panics. |
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| 18:22.27 | dawud | abrotman: I mixed it my mind with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565187 |
| 18:22.35 | nsadmin | abrotman, ok, cool. thanks |
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| 18:23.10 | blub | dawud: in the end, i tried with the debian cd again, as the systemrescuecd does not seem to be able to handle the mdadm + lvm + luks disks, that i have |
| 18:23.28 | nsadmin | with that, my gw should be done (after I install emacs on it...) |
| 18:23.54 | dawud | blub: I know for sure sysrescuecd _does_ handle md + lvm + luks. I've done it myself lots of times |
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| 18:24.10 | dawud | nsadmin: nooooooooooooooo |
| 18:24.17 | dawud | :) |
| 18:24.24 | blub | and at last, found that the library was *not* in place. after successfully copying that to the correct location, the machine started to work again. @dawud: maybe, but it somehow does not work on my machine |
| 18:24.34 | nsadmin | yeahwell, I resisted but finally caved |
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| 18:24.59 | dawud | blub: ok, sorry to hear that. |
| 18:25.05 | blub | or at least, i have no idea about how to prevent the kernel from panicking at "VFS: unable to mount block-unknown(2,0)" or so |
| 18:25.16 | blub | quite early in the boot process |
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| 18:25.32 | dawud | blub: systemrescuecd can boot into memory, without touching your OS at all |
| 18:25.33 | blub | could it be that the cd does not like my VM options (enabled)? |
| 18:25.52 | blub | well, i tried "rescuecd docache", and it still happened exactly the same way as before |
| 18:26.02 | blub | s/happened/crashed/ |
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| 18:26.17 | dawud | blub: maybe it is the hypervisor getting in the way (VMWare?) |
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| 18:26.46 | blub | there should be no hypervisor active at that point, unless loaded by the kernel |
| 18:27.12 | blub | I mean, i'm using libvirt, yes, but only when the "real system" boots |
| 18:27.18 | dawud | blub: I'm at a lost then, is your broken box a VM? |
| 18:27.33 | blub | dawud: no, it's real hardware (my workstation) |
| 18:27.38 | dawud | blub: ok |
| 18:28.03 | blub | but that workstation *really*should*run* several VMs on top... |
| 18:28.22 | dawud | blub: well, frankly, if systemrescuecd fails to boot into memory it can only be one out of: faulty CD or faulty memory |
| 18:28.54 | blub | dawud: i'm then inclined to suspect a faulty cd, as my memory is checked |
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| 18:29.21 | dawud | blub: nice to hear you fixed it anyways |
| 18:29.26 | blub | maybe i'll try with my 3.2 kernel again... until recently, it worked nicely |
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| 18:30.11 | blub | dawud: the real work has just begun, as i'm now looking at cleaning up the mess (like dozens of inodes in lost+found, broken package database etc.pp) |
| 18:30.26 | blub | but thank you for your well-wishing |
| 18:30.28 | dawud | blub: that can only ybe fun! |
| 18:30.34 | dawud | s/ybe/be |
| 18:31.00 | blub | dawud: must be my hobby... fortunately, that's easy to pursue w/o a day job - yuck! |
| 18:31.11 | dawud | blub: :) |
| 18:31.12 | blub | just joking... |
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| 18:31.31 | blub | of course, the real work can only commence once i fixed that box =8-( |
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| 18:32.11 | blub | anyway, thank you for your patience and tips! maybe i'll figure out someday what systemrescuecd is for... ;} |
| 18:32.12 | nsadmin | if I have the lsb tags in there, can I then remove crufty links and then run insserv to put them back in calculated order? |
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| 18:32.42 | blub | nsadmin: dunno, but re-installing any package with a file in there should trigger re-calculation of those links |
| 18:33.28 | dawud | nsadmin: you can insserv -n (dry run) |
| 18:33.43 | nsadmin | blub, right, and I need to recalc without removing/installing the package since I'm pretty sure the tarball has rcX.d links in it |
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| 18:36.01 | nsadmin | shoot... I'm looking at the man page, and it shows X-start-before and X-stop-after, but not the inverses |
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| 18:37.48 | dawud | nsadmin: indeed |
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| 18:39.59 | nsadmin | does insserv use/does the boot process read, any rcX.d dirs? |
| 18:40.40 | nsadmin | does it even matter what's in there, (while I don't intend to) can they be deleted? |
| 18:42.21 | nsadmin | (the FILES section of man insserv makes no mention of /etc/rc(anything).d |
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| 18:49.35 | dawud | nsadmin: that might be because insserv is used by update-rc.d, check its man page instead |
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| 18:52.23 | acu | I can I see the rpm of the chassis fan ? |
| 18:52.38 | acu | how can I see the rpm of the chasis fan |
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| 19:00.02 | solomon | am I mistaken in believing that there is some sort of configuration stage for packages that is executed before *any* packages are installed or configured in an upgrade |
| 19:00.32 | solomon | i was googling for what that would be, having through i had seen it during upgrades, but the closest i can find is preinst, which seems to be executed before *my* package is installed |
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| 19:00.58 | nsadmin | why does xbase-clients install server stuff? |
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| 19:01.26 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 19:01.34 | nsadmin | such as the whole thing |
| 19:01.38 | abrotman | solomon: there is a preconfiguration step |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: what did you expet ? |
| 19:01.52 | eddie_grey | hi guys |
| 19:02.05 | nsadmin | that clients ONLY install x client libs |
| 19:02.09 | tralala | solomon, not a global step, just a package preinst |
| 19:02.26 | abrotman | judd: info xbase-clients |
| 19:02.27 | judd | Package xbase-clients (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: miscellaneous X clients - metapackage. Version: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; Size: 37.3k; Installed: 132k |
| 19:02.34 | solomon | abrotman: what must one google for to learn how to execute something during this step in your own package :) |
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| 19:02.49 | abrotman | solomon: the new maintainer guide might have something |
| 19:03.05 | nsadmin | eddie_grey, hi, welcome to debian support |
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| 19:03.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: with which tool ? |
| 19:03.47 | nsadmin | aptitude |
| 19:03.53 | nsadmin | oh, should I -R? |
| 19:03.55 | abrotman | used -R ? |
| 19:03.59 | nsadmin | heh |
| 19:04.05 | nsadmin | let;s try that |
| 19:04.38 | nsadmin | much much much better :) |
| 19:04.42 | solomon | I'm trying to do something a bit weird with our private debian-based distribution, btw… is #debian the right place to be |
| 19:05.10 | solomon | i know people get flack for asking about ubuntu in here, but this is slightly different; we don't really change debian very much, and there isn't an IRC channel dedicated to our private distribution :) |
| 19:05.51 | eddie_grey | my client sends me an e-mail and e-mail back with the message: |
| 19:05.52 | eddie_grey | 554 client host rejected: access denied |
| 19:06.16 | solomon | we have some complex database schema upgrades that sometimes have really weird failures that hold up the upgrade process, which can be a big problem; so we had the thought to test all of these upgrades first — preferably automatically in the beginning of the upgrade process itself |
| 19:06.26 | solomon | if the test fails, we want to abort the whole process |
| 19:06.38 | nsadmin | great :) that worked fenominly :) |
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| 19:06.58 | solomon | to make things more complex, there are a number of files, which will ultimately be installed to the system during package installation, which the test script will depend on |
| 19:07.22 | eddie_grey | my server is a Debian 6.0 + postfix |
| 19:07.53 | solomon | so what would be *really* nice would be to have a single package that's always installed first during upgrades, and which is then configured (or a second package pre-configured) before any other package installations occur |
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| 19:08.18 | nsadmin | eddie_grey, look at the indication of the exact time in that bounce |
| 19:08.18 | eddie_grey | I checked on the internet regarding this error, the problem usually is not the sender and recipient. |
| 19:08.25 | nsadmin | then check logs around that time |
| 19:08.38 | eddie_grey | ok |
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| 19:09.01 | nsadmin | also see if something was up at the time postfix was started |
| 19:09.10 | dawud | solomon: it is not very clear to me what you try to acomplish |
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| 19:09.50 | tremon | hi guys, quick question: how do I install debug symbols if there is no -dbg package? I thought they were mandatory by policy... |
| 19:10.01 | cedr | What's a low memory syslogd that can do forwarding? |
| 19:10.17 | tremon | to be specific, I'm looking to debug mkvtoolnix from testing |
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| 19:10.33 | dawud | cedr: none of them is very resource intensive per se |
| 19:10.44 | cedr | ah; hm |
| 19:10.54 | cedr | I'm dealing with some small memory virtual servers |
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| 19:11.05 | dawud | cedr: I like syslog-ng, but that's personal choice |
| 19:11.10 | cedr | and wanted a way to offload syslogs that would use a lesser amt of ram |
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| 19:11.26 | solomon | dawud: let's say that a support person is intending to upgrade from our lenny-based software version to our squeeze-based software version. what we're envisioning, anyway, is that this support person does 'aptitude dist-upgrade', and the first thing that happens is that we run this dry-run test to ensure that our database schema upgrade is ultimately going to work. If the test fails, the whole distribution upgrade is aborted, with no harm d |
| 19:11.42 | dawud | cedr: are you going to use a central syslog server for everything? |
| 19:11.54 | cedr | That's the plan :) |
| 19:11.55 | nsadmin | how small is the ram? |
| 19:12.06 | cedr | nsadmin: mainly 128M, my IRC vps is 32M |
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| 19:12.14 | cedr | er, 64* |
| 19:12.20 | eddie_grey | get any normal domain, only that this particular client I get an error 544 |
| 19:12.21 | solomon | dawud: of course we can also make said test script some sort of stand-alone package, so that they do 'aptitude install test-script-thingy', and then if it fails they just refrain from trying dist-upgrade. but we're hoping to finagle things to make it simpler for the techs |
| 19:12.33 | nsadmin | hmm, that is somewhat small |
| 19:12.35 | cedr | nope, 32M |
| 19:12.48 | cedr | Everything I run fits in them :) |
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| 19:13.05 | eddie_grey | ehtheir server is a Lotus Domino |
| 19:13.20 | tremon | ... except nowadays the installer wants 64M ;) |
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| 19:13.36 | cedr | OpenVZ, so I don't need an installer |
| 19:13.44 | nsadmin | emacs works on the gw in X even tho it's going thru two sshes |
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| 19:14.20 | nsadmin | but, it's claiming something about missing or misconfigured dbus server... first, what's a dbus? |
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| 19:14.26 | francesco86 | ciao |
| 19:14.32 | francesco86 | !lista |
| 19:14.38 | cedr | francesco86: You can't get warez here |
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| 19:14.48 | nsadmin | francesco86, try www.debian.org |
| 19:14.58 | dawud | solomon: aptitude install test-script-thingy && dist-upgrade only runs if the first part succeeds |
| 19:15.08 | tremon | nsadmin: desktop message bus. it's like ipc but then mba-approved |
| 19:15.22 | nsadmin | why is it ALWAYS italians?! |
| 19:15.31 | cedr | nsadmin: people who join and do 'list' right awya are usually looking for file server bots |
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| 19:16.38 | nsadmin | cedr. I understand that completely,,, what I don't understand is why are they ALWAYS italian? I haven't seen anyone (besides myself) run !list who were not from .it |
| 19:16.49 | cedr | hm, not sure |
| 19:16.58 | cedr | perhaps it's some kind of bot or script |
| 19:16.59 | dvs | nsadmin: austerity measures |
| 19:17.05 | nsadmin | in at least a year or two :) |
| 19:17.14 | solomon | dawud: sure… maybe the simpler solution would just be to include a simple shell script in our packaging that does that |
| 19:17.22 | cedr | I wasn't able to grab a ctcp version before they quit |
| 19:17.25 | cedr | but try so next time |
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| 19:17.53 | nsadmin | dvs, so italians are in an austere state, so they want to cuff nonfree stuff? |
| 19:18.04 | cedr | nsadmin: I'm thinking it's some variation of http://s117372097.websitehome.co.uk/bottler/userguide.html |
| 19:18.20 | dawud | solomon: the "simpler" thing these days is using something like rundeck to automate/orchestrate these kind of things |
| 19:18.22 | nsadmin | and more austere even than all other eurpean (or any) countries combined? |
| 19:18.29 | cedr | although no idea why debian would be programmed in the list |
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| 19:18.53 | __mj | [test] |
| 19:18.59 | nsadmin | !test |
| 19:18.59 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 19:19.09 | nsadmin | there yue hab it! |
| 19:19.20 | __mj | hi, probably an easy question: I am trying to compile syslog-ng on a debian system (ARM), but it claims that it cannot find glib. libglib2.0-dev is installed though. Only that the libs are not in /usr/lib/ but in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ instead. the configure script of syslog-ng does not give any helpful options either |
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| 19:19.52 | dawud | __mj: can't you add -L ? |
| 19:19.55 | nsadmin | , versions syslog-ng --arch arm |
| 19:19.56 | judd | Package: syslog-ng on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; lenny-backports: 3.1.1-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.3-3; sid: 3.3.4.dfsg-2; wheezy: 3.3.4.dfsg-2; sid: 3.3.5-2 |
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| 19:20.10 | nsadmin | , versions syslog-ng --arch=arm |
| 19:20.11 | judd | Package: syslog-ng on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; lenny-backports: 3.1.1-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.3-3; sid: 3.3.4.dfsg-2; wheezy: 3.3.4.dfsg-2; sid: 3.3.5-2 |
| 19:20.35 | nsadmin | , versions syslog-ng --arch=armel |
| 19:20.35 | judd | Package: syslog-ng on armel -- lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; lenny-backports: 3.1.1-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.3-3; sid: 3.3.4.dfsg-2; wheezy: 3.3.4.dfsg-2; sid: 3.3.5-2 |
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| 19:20.37 | __mj | dawud: to the configure script ? no |
| 19:20.40 | nsadmin | there. |
| 19:20.58 | nsadmin | it's already compilated! |
| 19:21.14 | tremon | wonders which idiot came up with the mythtv 0.25 feature that music playback stops when the screensaver kicks in |
| 19:21.17 | __mj | nsadmin: I am not trying to install it from the package repo, I need to compile a customized version |
| 19:21.34 | tralala | __mj, are you compiling from debian sources? |
| 19:21.37 | solomon | dawud: yeah we want to do automated upgrades at some point, but we haven't even touched it :) |
| 19:21.49 | nsadmin | so get the debianized src package, and alter that |
| 19:21.51 | dawud | __mj: can you apt-get source any of those and tweak at will? |
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| 19:22.14 | nsadmin | what will would do, is anyone's guess... |
| 19:22.19 | dawud | solomon: it'a all about automation these days :) |
| 19:22.49 | solomon | dawud: to be frank, our software will have to suck less before we can go down that road :P |
| 19:23.04 | cedr | Speaking of automation, has anyone tried http://saltstack.org/ |
| 19:23.25 | tralala | I love software that sucks less |
| 19:23.28 | solomon | dawud: our software doesn't suck in general, but we're kind of a small team and upgrade issues tend to fall through the cracks, to the point that for every 10 upgrades we do i would expect the tech guys to give me a call to fix something that only the developers can fix |
| 19:23.33 | cedr | well, it's not really automation, but it kinda loosely fits in |
| 19:23.41 | solomon | dawud: this is why we're so interested in a test like the one i'm describing :) |
| 19:23.44 | __mj | tralala, dawud: no, I didn't know about apt-get for sources, sry. trying that now |
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| 19:24.27 | solomon | dawud: the schema stuff is not our only upgrade hurdle, but it's the biggest one that causes increased delay and downtime during manual upgrades, and would do the same during automated ones :) |
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| 19:25.13 | tralala | __mj, debian provides you with tools to build your own packages. It's easier than doing upstream builds and the result integrates with the system. |
| 19:25.30 | nsadmin | __mj, no worries... hopefully altering the already-debianized source will add some convenience, like making a debian package of it you can install and remove at will |
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| 19:26.14 | nsadmin | especially integrates with your debian package database |
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| 19:27.00 | nsadmin | and if you want stable, the less upstream builds you do the better |
| 19:27.31 | dawud | cedr: @ $WORK we're using a pipeline for CI using svn/git + mvn + junit + jenkins + puppet + selenium + more stuff ... |
| 19:27.42 | cedr | oh wow |
| 19:28.01 | cedr | I just have ~40 virtual servers i'm looking to manage easier |
| 19:28.06 | eddie_grey | nsadmin, this is erro: |
| 19:28.08 | eddie_grey | May 18 08:55:12 localhost postfix/smtpd[13515]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mx.xxx.com.br[x.x.x.x]: 554 5.7.1 <mx.xxxx.com.br[x.x.x.x>: Client host rejected: Access denied; from=<XXX@xxxx.com.br> to=<xxx@xxx.com.br> proto=ESMTP helo=<BRCNPFNOT024.xxx.com.br> |
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| 19:28.12 | dawud | cedr: I forgot about archiva/nexus ... |
| 19:28.28 | dawud | cedr: puppet is the tool |
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| 19:28.34 | Diopter | Or Chef. |
| 19:28.38 | cedr | Hmm |
| 19:28.41 | dawud | Diopter: of course |
| 19:28.41 | __mj | nsadmin: of course, this is a special case though :) |
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| 19:28.44 | cedr | interesting; will take a look |
| 19:28.45 | cedr | thanks |
| 19:28.54 | dawud | Diopter: I meant some automated config mgmt tool |
| 19:28.57 | Diopter | dawud: We've got a CI pipeline very similar to yours, hehe. |
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| 19:29.09 | dawud | cedr: there's also cfenfine3 |
| 19:29.18 | tralala | __mj, special cases smell bad |
| 19:29.27 | nsadmin | eddie_grey, ok, so mostly it's saying the same thing with a bitmore detail |
| 19:30.03 | nsadmin | tralala, bad-smelling special cases are special cases! |
| 19:30.26 | cedr | Hm, maybe I should look into something like splunk for central logging |
| 19:30.37 | dawud | Diopter: do you use puppet enterprise /foreman / other? |
| 19:30.53 | eddie_grey | is probably a configuration error in the sender? |
| 19:31.16 | dawud | judd: ,splunk |
| 19:31.34 | dawud | oh, well |
| 19:31.51 | tralala | pinches his nose |
| 19:32.03 | cedr | how is splunk? Most of what I do is for personal use so I wouldn't be buying it |
| 19:32.10 | Diopter | dawud: We're using hosted Chef. |
| 19:32.19 | dawud | Diopter: nice |
| 19:32.53 | Diopter | dawud: I'm on the deployment engineering team for OpenStack, at Rackspace. So we do bare-metal up to orchestrated KVM+libvirt clusters with Chef |
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| 19:33.40 | dawud | Diopter: I envy you. I'm forced to live in a VMWare crappy world :( |
| 19:33.51 | Diopter | D: |
| 19:33.56 | Diopter | Came from that world, it's a terribleness. |
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| 19:35.40 | wooster | is there something like whereis that searches $PATH? |
| 19:35.48 | wooster | and why doesn't whereis search $PATH anyway, that's wack |
| 19:36.02 | tremon | wooster: which? |
| 19:36.21 | wooster | yes, thanks |
| 19:36.23 | wooster | thats it |
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| 20:10.58 | nsadmin | the resolver and/or /etc/resolv.conf isn't working properly, it seems... so there are two name servers, the second of which has the the info I'm querying and the second does not... why, then, is it failing? |
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| 20:12.15 | nsadmin | I do dig <hostname> (with resolv.conf containing search path) and the query fails w/ unknown host |
| 20:12.26 | lanoxx | when i run dpkg-reconfigure on an already configured package, such as exim4, will this create a new configuration and overwrite the old one, or will i be able to make modifications to the existing configuration? |
| 20:12.51 | lanoxx | because i want to reconfigure my mail agent |
| 20:13.02 | nsadmin | the existing configuration is stored in debconf database |
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| 20:13.39 | nsadmin | what should happen is the old answers should be provided to the new questions as default choice |
| 20:13.44 | nsadmin | it's not doing that? |
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| 20:15.29 | xingu | nsadmin: there's a difference between NXDOMAIN response, SERVFAIL, and timeout. |
| 20:15.46 | xingu | nsadmin: in the latter two cases you will fall through to the next resolver; in the first, you will not. |
| 20:16.05 | nsadmin | dig says NXDOMAIN |
| 20:16.20 | Tynach | Hello. I'm trying to shrink a filesystem by a specific size. It's about 800 GB in size, but I want to decrease the size by exactly 500107862016 bytes (or slightly more, I can handle that). |
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| 20:16.29 | xingu | nsadmin: even more interestingly NXDOMAIN can have a TTL; the client may choose to cache what's effectively a negative result. |
| 20:16.48 | nsadmin | Tynach, what kind of filesystem? |
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| 20:16.55 | xingu | nsadmin: NXDOMAIN is an authoritative "this record does not exist; stop querying" |
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| 20:17.36 | nsadmin | xingu, hmm. so, I had something like: |
| 20:17.45 | nsadmin | nameserver nsA |
| 20:17.46 | Tynach | ext4 on an LVM mash of hard drives. I'm removing one of the hard drives from the logical volume/volume group, and I want to shrink down the filesystem first (obviously) to just small enough that it's no longer touching the drive I'm going to remove. |
| 20:17.53 | nsadmin | search sA |
| 20:18.20 | nsadmin | then I installed resolvconf, and then resolv.conf had |
| 20:18.36 | nsadmin | nameserver nsA |
| 20:18.44 | nsadmin | nameserver nsB |
| 20:18.51 | nsadmin | search sA sB |
| 20:19.19 | Tynach | nsadmin: I'm actually doing these operations on a Knoppix LiveCD, if that matters. I've already activated the volume group (by default it wasn't). |
| 20:19.25 | nsadmin | where I wanted the Bs to replace the Aa instead of adding to them (resulting in my situation :) |
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| 20:19.33 | tremon | Tynach: resize2fs -M isn't good enough? |
| 20:19.54 | xingu | nsadmin: if you're trying to do selective forwarding (ie search sA via nsA, search sB via nsB) then my approach would be install bind and set it up to do exactly that; then list 127.0.0.1 as your ns |
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| 20:20.19 | Tynach | tremon: I tried to use resize2fs -P to see what that would leave my with, but the output didn't make sense. I don't know what units it was using. |
| 20:20.34 | nsadmin | Tynach, if you're moreorless under the hood, remember that to reduce, you -first- must reduce the filesystem, and then the storage it's in |
| 20:21.04 | Tynach | nsadmin: that's why I'm asking on reducing the filesystem, not the logical volume. |
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| 20:21.09 | xingu | nsadmin: amusingly enough the OSX resolver _can_ do selective forwarding that way (it has a .d/... style setup keyed by domain name) |
| 20:21.12 | tremon | Tynach: iirc it's output is in number of blocks (that's probably 512 bytes, but could be 4k pages) |
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| 20:21.36 | nsadmin | if you do it in the opposite order... you can and probably will lose data and possibly also filesystem integrity |
| 20:22.02 | Tynach | tremon: the partition was made under Ubuntu, forget which version of it. Do you know what the default block size for ext4 is for Ubuntu? |
| 20:22.56 | nsadmin | Tynach, (perhaps that was more to anyone thinking of trying that as you seem to be aware of all that already) |
| 20:23.24 | Tynach | I understand, nsadmin :) |
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| 20:23.53 | Tynach | I'll try -M, then I'll look at it in Disk Utility to see if it worked. |
| 20:24.03 | nsadmin | wouldn't the resizer be able to figure out the block size from the superblock? |
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| 20:24.25 | npx | i made a package for wine 1.3.29, installed it, then deleted the package... can I reconstitute it from what I currently have installed? |
| 20:24.37 | Tynach | Well, using '-M', it says it's using 4k blocks. Too late now though :P |
| 20:24.51 | nsadmin | , versions dpkg-repack |
| 20:24.52 | judd | Package: dpkg-repack on i386 -- lenny: 1.30; squeeze: 1.32; sid: 1.37; wheezy: 1.37 |
| 20:25.11 | nsadmin | npx, look into that package ^^ |
| 20:25.17 | npx | glorious |
| 20:25.28 | Tynach | nsadmin, tremon: "Resizing the filesystem on /dev/vg_root/lv_root to 61695877 (4k) blocks." |
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| 20:26.06 | nsadmin | dpkg, 61695877 * 4 |
| 20:26.07 | dpkg | 246783508 |
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| 20:26.41 | tremon | wow, 250G is a lot for just a / filesystem... probably not a separate /home partition? |
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| 20:28.11 | Tynach | tremon: I currently have two 500 GB hard drives (using only 100 GB of one of them, the other I'm using the whole thing), and one 200 GB hard drive. All of it is merged into LVM. I'm not using separate partitions for different folders. I probably should be; I might after this. |
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| 20:29.15 | nsadmin | xingu, how would I tell (I guess) the resolvconf pagage and/or dhcp client to not pull dns address and search from dhcp into resolv.conf? |
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| 20:29.44 | nsadmin | (or anyone really... xingu, thanks for the help so far) |
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| 20:31.09 | Tynach | Really wish I had put in a -p so I could see the progress... |
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| 20:33.25 | vvcoder | t |
| 20:33.29 | dvs | u |
| 20:33.33 | nsadmin | NILL |
| 20:34.03 | Tynach | nsadmin: I thought that resolv.conf was updated automatically by some other program when it got the info from DHCP. |
| 20:34.13 | Tynach | follows suit. "v" |
| 20:34.18 | nvz | 安 |
| 20:34.26 | Tynach | o.O |
| 20:34.46 | nsadmin | oh, caligraphy! |
| 20:34.55 | nvz | means peaceful in chinese, and a trump to all you |
| 20:34.58 | Tynach | I guess the font in Knoppix doesn't support full UTF-8. I see a box :( |
| 20:35.17 | nsadmin | The Donald comes in here?! |
| 20:35.18 | nvz | I'm actually kinda surprised I can see it on mine |
| 20:35.35 | tremon | nsadmin: if you're using isc-dhcp-client, look into "prepend domain-name-servers" (or supersede, append, etc) |
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| 20:35.53 | xingu | nsadmin: my solution was dpkg --purge resolvconf ;) but that's not what you were after |
| 20:35.54 | lanoxx | nsadmin, thanks for the answer, i hadn't tried it yet, but will do so now. |
| 20:36.16 | s5s | hi guys when I do aptitude purge <package> do all the dependencies get purged as well or are they left? |
| 20:36.41 | s5s | I mean are they removed or purged :) |
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| 20:36.48 | nvz | s5s: only does anything to the package specified |
| 20:36.51 | tremon | s5s: aptitude will not purge dependencies. It might remove dependencies it they're unused, but they're not purged |
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| 20:36.57 | nsadmin | xingu, yeah, I wanted the nameserver and search to only come from the interfaces file |
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| 20:37.16 | s5s | tremon: is there a way to purge the dependiencies as well instead of just removing them? |
| 20:37.17 | nvz | s5s: well actually aptitude I believe will remove autoinstalled deps automatically.. I use apt-get and it only does what you tell it to |
| 20:37.34 | s5s | nvz: yes :) it does. But I'd like them purged instead of removed |
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| 20:37.45 | nsadmin | and while I thought I was using dhcpd3, I know I did install the isc one which I was given to understand was the same |
| 20:38.00 | tremon | s5s: not that I know of. There is aptitude purge ~c though, but that will remove all packages that have configuration left, not just the ones removed recently |
| 20:38.03 | s5s | it's not that much of a deal - I'm just trying to get informed about this |
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| 20:38.21 | tremon | nsadmin: they are the same upstream, just v3 vs v4 |
| 20:38.35 | nsadmin | oh, isc is v4? |
| 20:39.11 | s5s | tremon: I guess I can write a python (or bash) script to do the purging. Seems it's going to be an easy way to parse the output of aptitude purge <package> |
| 20:39.31 | tremon | to be semantically correct, dhcp v3 was isc as well :) |
| 20:39.39 | nsadmin | there may even be packaged parsers for that |
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| 20:40.14 | nsadmin | is v3 in squeeze |
| 20:40.17 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 20:40.26 | nsadmin | wait, wrong question |
| 20:40.38 | nsadmin | is v-4- in squeeze? |
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| 20:41.34 | Tynach | You could always try searching packages.debian.org |
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| 20:41.59 | nsadmin | true, but I wouldn't know the package name |
| 20:42.02 | tremon | yes, isc v4 is in squeeze as isc-dhcp-*, not sure but I think dhcp3-* are dummy packages that depend on the isc-dhcp-* packages |
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| 20:42.29 | Tynach | nsadmin: I don't think you need to know the exact name. Just a search term. |
| 20:42.41 | nsadmin | so you're saying v4 is vr and v3 is v4? |
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| 20:43.00 | nsadmin | err rephrase. |
| 20:43.04 | tremon | lol... :) |
| 20:43.11 | nsadmin | so you're saying v4 is v4 and v3 is v4? |
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| 20:43.36 | nsadmin | or rather, maybe that's the case? |
| 20:43.43 | Tynach | According to packages.debian.org: |
| 20:43.43 | Tynach | dhcp3-client version number is 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3 |
| 20:43.51 | tremon | lenny had package dhcp3-client, which was isc dhcp v3. Squeeze has dhcp3-client which is a dummy package that depends on isc-dhcp-client, which is isc v4 |
| 20:43.58 | Tynach | So dhcp3 is actually at version 4.x |
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| 20:44.28 | nsadmin | cool, good to know |
| 20:44.38 | tremon | nsadmin: so to answer your question: lenny v3 is isc v3, squeeze v3 is v4 :) |
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| 20:45.00 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
| 20:45.10 | Tynach | 3 == 4. I thought everyone knew that. |
| 20:45.38 | nsadmin | Tynach, of course! well, for extremely large values of 3 |
| 20:45.50 | nsadmin | besides, google said so! |
| 20:45.57 | Tynach | As 3 approaches infinity. |
| 20:46.10 | ompaul | Tynach: it does that when you offer it pi |
| 20:46.11 | nsadmin | or as t approaches inf |
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| 20:46.25 | ompaul | it never finishes writing it down |
| 20:47.06 | nsadmin | it realizes if it's ever gonna get some pi, it better eat first and write later@ |
| 20:47.56 | nsadmin | it probably only needs pi / 2 |
| 20:48.17 | Tynach | Now you're thinking in radians. |
| 20:48.54 | Tynach | It's STILL resizing. How long does this usually take? |
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| 20:49.08 | nsadmin | yep, as we were told in trig, memorize your frickin unit circle! |
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| 20:50.14 | nsadmin | Tynach (unfortunately) it may be defraging and then resizing |
| 20:50.55 | nvz | π is a lie |
| 20:51.09 | nsadmin | just like pie |
| 20:51.53 | nsadmin | why do you fly on a lying pi, sy? |
| 20:52.46 | Tynach | nsadmin: I ran fsck, and it was at 0.9% fragmentation. Shouldn't be taking THAT long to defragment. |
| 20:53.16 | lost1_ | blasphemer, pie is sacred |
| 20:53.27 | lost1_ | you heathen |
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| 20:53.54 | Tynach | nsadmin: I ran fsck before doing all this, of course. Not just now while it's rearranging stuff. |
| 20:53.57 | nsadmin | Tynach, in any case, don touchy, or pull power |
| 20:54.04 | tremon | Tynach: it's not defragmenting, it's moving data. ext4 doesn't fill up at the start and move to the end |
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| 20:54.38 | nsadmin | oh, so ext4 takes more shuffling to resize then? |
| 20:55.01 | Tynach | tremon: I've read a little about that, but I forget how it does it. Isn't it something like it fills up at both the beginning and end, and goes towards the middle? |
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| 20:55.17 | jonnybarnes | hey guys, so I've pulled the latest source code for screen from git so I can edit some of the code (to do with screen complaining about $TERM length) |
| 20:55.18 | tremon | to be specific, extN use a (large) number of block groups, evenly spaced across the disk. |
| 20:55.37 | tremon | and allocation is evenly divided across those block groups |
| 20:55.37 | jonnybarnes | but whats the best way to compile it into a deb I can install with aptitude |
| 20:55.54 | tremon | (well, not evenly, there is some intelligent design behind it I presume) |
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| 20:57.11 | Tynach | tremon: interesting. And I guess now it's having to rearrange nearly all of it. This is kinda why I didn't want to do -M, because I know it only ever went about 10 - 15 GB into the new drive (that I'm now removing), and I would have liked to decrease the size by exactly the number of bytes to cleanly cut off the new drive. |
| 20:57.37 | Tynach | Though that may not have helped anyway. I dunno. |
| 20:58.13 | lost1_ | if you ctrl c fdisk while its processing will it exit cleanly? |
| 20:58.26 | Tynach | I'm not going to risk that :l |
| 20:58.28 | tremon | lost1_: q will exist fdisk without modifications |
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| 20:58.49 | tremon | without *writing* modifications to the disk |
| 20:59.22 | Tynach | lost1_: Wait, do you mean while it's formatting/writing to the disk, or do you mean when it's just scanning or doing other benign things? |
| 20:59.52 | lost1_ | when it is formatting |
| 20:59.56 | lost1_ | and rearranging things |
| 21:00.05 | tremon | Tynach: if you were certain of the 10-15G, you could have done things differently. It might have made a difference, or not |
| 21:00.16 | tremon | lost1_: huh? fdisk doesn't format anything |
| 21:00.32 | lost1_ | right |
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| 21:00.36 | lost1_ | i don't know why i just said formatting |
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| 21:00.42 | lost1_ | when it is processing and rearranging things |
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| 21:01.26 | Tynach | tremon: I was very certain, that's why I asked if there was a way to simply subtract (and I gave a precise number of bytes) a size from the whole. There didn't appear to be, so I was just.. Meh, what the hey. I'll make it as small as possible. |
| 21:01.51 | tremon | Tynach: sorry, must have missed that part, guess I jumped in the middle |
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| 21:02.32 | Tynach | When I first walked in: |
| 21:02.33 | tremon | lost1_: are we talking about the same fdisk? My one is a fairly dumb program, that spends 99% of its time listening to user input |
| 21:02.33 | Tynach | (13:16:19) Tynach: Hello. I'm trying to shrink a filesystem by a specific size. It's about 800 GB in size, but I want to decrease the size by exactly 500107862016 bytes (or slightly more, I can handle that). |
| 21:02.51 | lost1_ | can't you have fdisk recover blocks and what not |
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| 21:03.04 | tremon | not the fdisk that I know |
| 21:03.20 | lost1_ | hehehe |
| 21:03.22 | Tynach | lost1_: are you talking about testdisk? |
| 21:03.32 | lost1_ | thinking of chkdisk |
| 21:03.37 | lost1_ | hahaha |
| 21:03.54 | lost1_ | <place me on ignore please i can't control my brain today |
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| 21:05.24 | lost1_ | fsck i mean |
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| 21:05.57 | Tynach | I'm going to take a shower. I'll see how well it's doing when I get out. The filesystem was roughly 800 GB before, with a bit over 500 GB unused. Now it's going to be what, just under 250 GB? I wish there were an easy way for me to time it. |
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| 21:07.54 | tremon | lost1_: it depends on the particular fsck program. e2fsck can be safely interrupted while scanning, I wouldn't recommend interrupting if it's autofixing (-y) |
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| 21:10.40 | fasta | Is there some program to just mount every partition on a given device without having to figure out what partitions are on it? |
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| 21:11.47 | mrmowgli | Can anyone help me figure out a kernel/apt-get problem? http://pastebin.com/1yxZ72tS |
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| 21:11.50 | lost1_ | you can use automatic for the type |
| 21:12.01 | lost1_ | mount -a /blablabla |
| 21:12.21 | nvz | fasta: yeah its derived on the ancient 16th century manifesto on how to bang every woman in the world without having to meet any of them |
| 21:12.25 | lost1_ | er |
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| 21:13.04 | lost1_ | i forget what it is |
| 21:13.15 | nvz | that doesn't even make any sense.. you can't mount a filesystem if you aren't aware of the partition table unless you have the uuid or label |
| 21:13.19 | blubb | Hi! Me again... |
| 21:13.38 | fasta | nvz: I am sorry, but you are a moron. |
| 21:13.45 | nvz | and even then the system is going to have to look up the partition table at some point |
| 21:14.04 | fasta | nvz: please go to primary school or something. |
| 21:14.38 | nvz | heh.. |
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| 21:18.07 | blubb | I'm trying to install libc6 on my Testing machine, but no matter what I tried so far, I always get: "A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.12.so' It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation; please remove that copy of the C library or get it out of '/lib/i386-linux-gnu' and try again." |
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| 21:18.32 | blubb | If If I remove or move that library, then (not only) dpkg fails to run. |
| 21:18.37 | jordanm | blubb: you get that from apt-get install libc6? |
| 21:18.57 | jordanm | well, everything on your system will probably fail to run without glibc |
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| 21:19.11 | blubb | jordanm: no, this time, I'm trying from a finnix cd, with the target fs mounted |
| 21:19.17 | nvz | not if its statically compiled |
| 21:19.20 | blubb | it's directly with dpkg -i --force-all libc6*.deb |
| 21:19.33 | jordanm | blubb: why are you doing this? |
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| 21:19.59 | nvz | which of course means if this isnt resolved another way booting with a rescue media or to busybox may be a good idea |
| 21:20.37 | mrmowgli | I have a partially installed kernel but it blows up on dkms, saing the dkms.conf is invalid, but doesn't list an actual file |
| 21:20.49 | blubb | jordanm: i'm trying to do this because i upgraded the target box to testing, but had a lot of fs problems that lost me my /var/lib/dpkg/status. any old status file only contains the squeeze version numbers, and want to resurrect this, as so far, almost all packages are listed as eg. 'iU' instead of 'ii' |
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| 21:21.09 | blubb | can't really work with this system, not install new packages, just nothing |
| 21:21.19 | jordanm | blubb: chroot into the filesystem and see what apt-get install -f will do |
| 21:21.41 | blubb | because i always hit this error |
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| 21:22.15 | blubb | jordanm: did this, apt-get spits out a ton of error messages like "x depends on y, bla bla bla', then: |
| 21:22.16 | jordanm | blubb: from apt-get install -f? |
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| 21:22.26 | jordanm | blubb: do you have backups? |
| 21:22.48 | blubb | yes, then: "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generaged breaks, this may be vaused by held packages |
| 21:22.55 | blubb | E: Unable to correct dependencies |
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| 21:23.09 | blubb | jordanm: not of this file :| |
| 21:23.34 | jordanm | blubb: pastebint he output of apt-get install -f |
| 21:24.03 | blubb | jordanm: not possible - it's several hundred lines, and i have no remote access to this machine |
| 21:24.20 | jordanm | blubb: what kind of access do you have? |
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| 21:24.50 | jordanm | blubb: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.20.tar.bz2 |
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| 21:25.06 | blubb | jordanm: console access only |
| 21:25.24 | blubb | like "extra keyboard, extra monitor" |
| 21:25.30 | jordanm | blubb: download and use wgetpaste, pastebinit, or something like that |
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| 21:26.12 | mrmowgli | jordanm: would you mind having a look at this? my dkms blows up and apt-get won't install any kernel versions (Same error) |
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| 21:26.23 | mrmowgli | http://pastebin.com/1yxZ72tS |
| 21:26.37 | lru | if all I have is a source package with .dsc, is it possible to use apt-get build-deps somehow? |
| 21:26.59 | blubb | jordanm: underway, but ... dpkg really should have an option like "do this, no matter what" |
| 21:27.29 | blubb | investigates wgetpaste |
| 21:27.35 | jordanm | !tell mrmowgli about lmde |
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| 21:37.06 | nvz | '''']''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' |
| 21:37.06 | nvz | ' |
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| 21:41.24 | Tynach | I'm back. It's still resizing. |
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| 21:45.11 | nvz | heh.. had something stuck under my keys.. |
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| 21:45.40 | nvz | normally I'd leave it there until it either got up and walked away, or disintegrated.. but rather bored |
| 21:45.55 | Tynach | nsadmin, tremon: It is currently using 100% of one of my CPU cores, and the hard drive light on my computer is off except for the occasional turn on. But it still says it's resizing. Does this mean it's almost done, or frozen? |
| 21:46.48 | Tynach | Actually, now it's blinking at a regular pace of what I think to be exactly one short blink every 1 second. |
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| 21:47.07 | nvz | cache fill |
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| 21:47.38 | tremon | it might be pondering its next move. Keep babies away from it |
| 21:48.08 | nvz | or cats for that matter... far more interested in world domination than babies are |
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| 21:48.40 | Tynach | nvz: were you here for when I explained my problem/question/whatnot? |
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| 21:49.07 | nvz | Tynach: heh.. me being here is a real loose idea.. I do however have a lastlog command |
| 21:49.35 | blubb | jordanm: http://pastebin.ca/2150361 |
| 21:49.56 | Tynach | nvz, I'm resizing my filesystem from 800 GB to 250 GB (or whatever resize2fs -M does to it). |
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| 21:50.12 | nvz | Tynach: yeah that'll take awhile.. |
| 21:50.27 | nvz | kinda like cleaning out my belly button.. which I've been working at for like 20min now |
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| 21:51.14 | Tynach | Started at 1:24, and now it's 2:51. |
| 21:51.20 | nvz | I'm skinny.. if I was fat, I'd have to sew it shut.. damn.. there are like caverns in there or something |
| 21:51.55 | Tynach | nvz, I'm guessing you enjoy spelunking. |
| 21:52.06 | nvz | no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:52.32 | Tynach | https://www.google.com/search?q=define+spelunking |
| 21:52.54 | nvz | though that resize is likely still taking place.. personally I use gparted to do this kinda stuff generally using a parted magic live usb |
| 21:53.17 | Tynach | nvz, I'm in Knoppix to do it, and it's in an LVM environment. GParted doesn't support LVM. |
| 21:53.30 | nvz | knoppix still exists? heh |
| 21:53.42 | jordanm | blubb: so basically your entire /var/lib/dpkg/ dir got toasted, not just the status file? |
| 21:54.38 | blubb | jordanm: maybe - I've not yet checked where the other error messages come from |
| 21:54.56 | jordanm | blubb: all of those errors are due to missing files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 21:55.00 | Tynach | September 14th 2011 was the last Knoppix update, nvz. |
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| 21:55.38 | jordanm | blubb: I would debootstrap a new install and restore your data onto the new install |
| 21:56.03 | blubb | jordanm: I can do that, using eg. dpkg -c package.deb, but the one error I haven't gotten around, is overwriting, or bypassing, /lib/i386-linux-gnu stuff. |
| 21:56.33 | blubb | jordanm: i've never used debootstrap - can i use it while keeping all data, real configs, file system layout etc. intact? |
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| 21:57.22 | jordanm | blubb: not really, it will be a new OS install that can be done from your existing livecd |
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| 21:57.34 | blubb | i'd much rather avoid doing something like an 'almost-reinstall'... to many old things in there that i want to keep |
| 21:57.35 | jordanm | blubb: as an alternative, you will need to script reinstalling all of those packages |
| 21:57.52 | jordanm | blubb: you can keep that stuff, if you restore data and configurations |
| 21:58.22 | blubb | jordanm: I thought about hand-doctoring that status file, then go to apt's cache directory and dpkg -iEG *.deb |
| 21:58.25 | blubb | more or less |
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| 21:58.36 | jordanm | blubb: the status file isn't the problem here |
| 21:58.39 | blubb | the files are all there, only their record is broken |
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| 21:59.04 | blubb | jordanm: please, what *is* the problem? i mean, why does dpkg say it cannot overwrite that file? |
| 21:59.35 | blubb | if i could convince it that the package is already installed, which it is, then I guess there won't be any more problems |
| 22:00.01 | blubb | i lost the status after upgrading and then installing a package that made the machine crash |
| 22:00.17 | jordanm | blubb: it doesn't think libc6 files exist because the libc6 file list in /var/lib/dpkg/info are missing or empty |
| 22:00.21 | Tynach | nvz, tremon, nsadmin: I'm afraid to touch it in case it is pondering a 'next move', but on the other hand, it's taking up 100% of a CPU core, and yet doing nothing on the HDD. And it's been like this for some time now. What is the safest way, if any, to stop or pause the resizing operation, or to at least see the current status? |
| 22:00.40 | blubb | jordanm: no, it thinks that libc6 2.11 (from squeeze) is installed |
| 22:01.03 | jordanm | blubb: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6\:i386.list |
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| 22:01.08 | jordanm | blubb: does that have contents? |
| 22:01.30 | blubb | but then finds a file from libc6 2.13 (from testing), and refuses to overwrite it. one moment, checking... |
| 22:01.44 | nvz | Tynach: there really is no answer to that sort of line of questioning.. its doing what its doing, and the only way these things become a problem is when users are looking at it.. heh |
| 22:01.51 | tremon | Tynach: I don't think there is a safe way, unless you have made a backup before you started |
| 22:01.56 | jordanm | blubb: dpkg: warning: files list file for package `libc6' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 22:02.06 | jordanm | blubb: I believe you analysis of the real issue is incorrect |
| 22:02.08 | jordanm | your |
| 22:02.20 | nvz | I swear some software should have a similar "no user servicable parts inside" kinda disclaimer.. heh |
| 22:02.36 | nvz | like, you can watch if you want, but don't expect this software to be entertaining |
| 22:02.39 | blubb | jordanm: the file has plausible contents, 319 lines |
| 22:03.00 | confusid | I'm looking at the dvd iso's.. What is the debian-update-dvd1 and dvd2? Should I download them then 3 - 8 of the others? |
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| 22:03.11 | Tynach | nvz, I forgot to pass '-p' as a parameter. So I can't see the progress at all. |
| 22:03.15 | tremon | nvz: has that warning ever stopped you from trying to fix something? |
| 22:03.38 | ranix | Tynach: you can safely ignore nvz |
| 22:03.44 | nvz | tremon: no, thats pretty much what god invented women for |
| 22:03.47 | tremon | I wouldn't expect -p to be all that informative, though (I don't think it gives %-completed) |
| 22:04.00 | jordanm | ,file libc6.list |
| 22:04.04 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:04.12 | jordanm | ,file libc6:i386.list |
| 22:04.17 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:04.29 | Tynach | ranix: I know he's just poking fun, I'm mostly bored and trying to have some conversation while I wait. |
| 22:04.31 | blubb | of course - i only have testing on that machine, not squeeze |
| 22:04.32 | jordanm | blubb: try copying that file to /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.list |
| 22:04.35 | ranix | Tynach: are yo using resize2fs? |
| 22:04.36 | blubb | but the status file is from squeeze |
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| 22:04.44 | tremon | jordanm: dpkg-info files are not considered filesystem content |
| 22:04.53 | jordanm | thanks |
| 22:04.58 | Tynach | ranix: Yes. I did resize2fs -M on a logical volume. |
| 22:05.02 | amplified | howie whats second fav color |
| 22:05.08 | ranix | Tynach: you could try sending it the usr1 signal |
| 22:05.22 | ranix | kill -usr1 (pid) |
| 22:05.24 | ranix | sorry |
| 22:05.26 | ranix | -USR1 |
| 22:05.34 | Tynach | What will that do? |
| 22:05.50 | ranix | that may cause it to print status information to stdout on the terminal that controls the resize2fs process |
| 22:05.54 | ranix | or it may do nothing |
| 22:05.56 | nvz | absolutely nothing, successfully |
| 22:05.58 | confusid | different sizes on the dvd's. Is it safe for me to assume it is just updates? |
| 22:06.04 | tremon | emphasizes /may/ |
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| 22:06.14 | amplified | hey fellas |
| 22:06.18 | blubb | jordanm: you mean, i should copy llibc6:i386.list to libc6.list? |
| 22:06.20 | ranix | I'd give it a 50% chance of doing nothing and a 50% chance of putputting status |
| 22:06.22 | amplified | wrong room |
| 22:06.23 | Tynach | Is there any risk it will, I don't know... Kill the process? |
| 22:06.27 | ranix | negative |
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| 22:06.34 | tremon | it's a good guess though, but I only know about dd actually implementing usr1 |
| 22:06.37 | ranix | usr1 should never terminate a process |
| 22:06.55 | nvz | Tynach: no its more like that chance you can ward off vogons with hairspray and a towel |
| 22:07.02 | ranix | if I was telling you something incredibly wrong I hope someone would have yelled at me by now |
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| 22:07.17 | tremon | nvz: I thought that was a sure thing? |
| 22:07.26 | nvz | I could've told him ways to see either nothing or useless information hours ago |
| 22:07.41 | nvz | better to take his mind off it and let it do its thing |
| 22:08.12 | blubb | jordanm:done that, same effect ('unsafe, will not overwrite') |
| 22:08.30 | blubb | jordanm: I consider hand-doctoring the status file, then see how far I get from there |
| 22:08.40 | nvz | unless its been more than 3 hours or he's doing this using butterflies it should finish soon |
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| 22:08.49 | N00bKulas27 | hello |
| 22:09.08 | nvz | only thing relevant that might tell you something is seeing if dmesg has reported any disk i/o or read type errors |
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| 22:09.23 | elvis4526 | What is better between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 22:09.35 | abrotman | elvis4526: they're each better for different tasks |
| 22:09.42 | amplified | https://github.com/LiquidSmoothROMs/android_packages_apps_LiquidControl/commits/ics?page=3 |
| 22:09.44 | abrotman | elvis4526: generally, aptitude is recommended for most tasks |
| 22:09.48 | Tynach | It appears USR1 and USR2 are signals that are program-dependant, and don't actually do anything in particular. So I don't think I'll even try it. |
| 22:09.50 | nvz | aptitude has pretty much all the commands of apt-get, apt-cache as well as an interactive package manager and more |
| 22:09.51 | amplified | wups |
| 22:09.51 | amplified | sorry |
| 22:09.59 | elvis4526 | apt-get is recommended for what tasks? |
| 22:10.01 | Tynach | nvz, how do I check dmsg for IO errors? |
| 22:10.05 | nvz | elvis4526: personally I don't like it though becase its slower and annoying for me |
| 22:10.08 | blubb | elvis4526: you get different results. apt-get is more conservative, which you'll like osmetimes |
| 22:10.13 | blubb | sometimes |
| 22:10.24 | elvis4526 | nvz: Are you speaking about apt-get? |
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| 22:10.30 | nvz | Tynach: by typing dmesg |
| 22:10.47 | N00bKulas27 | hello, can anybody tell me about the expected behavior of NIC bonding? |
| 22:10.51 | nvz | elvis4526: aptitude.. its slower because it checks the database twice, before and after, and does a buncha extra automatic stuff |
| 22:10.52 | N00bKulas27 | has anybody tried it? |
| 22:10.56 | elvis4526 | blubb: Isn't the score system with aptitude better then with apt-get that only have one solution? |
| 22:11.08 | Tynach | nvz, ok, what am I looking for? Should I pass it through grep and search for anything in particular? |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | elvis4526: if you like it, use it |
| 22:11.15 | blubb | elvis4526: aptitude sometimes likes to make sweeping changes to your system... no, there is no scoring system |
| 22:11.16 | nvz | elvis4526: as blubb said, apt-get is more conservative and user dependant, aptitude is more automagic |
| 22:11.25 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: might want to ask a more specific question |
| 22:11.31 | elvis4526 | Right okay, I understand. |
| 22:11.40 | elvis4526 | But what is the recommended package manager then? |
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| 22:11.57 | Tynach | elvis4526: they both use the same package manager. They're just different front ends. |
| 22:12.03 | nvz | Tynach: if you were encountering any HDD issues, you'd know it just by typing that, there would be errors all over the screen |
| 22:12.13 | elvis4526 | This is what I wanted to say, sorry. |
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| 22:12.27 | Tynach | nvz, there are all sorts of things all over the screen. I don't know if they are errors. |
| 22:12.30 | elvis4526 | What is the best front-end then? :3 |
| 22:12.47 | Tynach | elvis4526: there isn't one. It's personal preference, really. |
| 22:13.01 | abrotman | elvis4526: the one you like to use |
| 22:13.07 | elvis4526 | I always tought the documentation were recommending some |
| 22:13.12 | elvis4526 | okay, thanks for the info! |
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| 22:14.22 | nvz | Tynach: it'd say something about ATA, or ext3: or something, drive not ready, short read, blah blah. they'd be the most recent messages at the bottom and they tend to repeat over and over and over.. so.. if they were there and you have the intelligence to read and understand this, then you'd know |
| 22:14.33 | Tynach | nvz, here's the output for ya: http://pastebin.com/QF390S0D |
| 22:15.09 | nvz | points.. yeah they look like that |
| 22:15.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:15.33 | nvz | wanders off snickering |
| 22:15.53 | bin_bash | I'm having a helluva time setting up apache on debian. |
| 22:16.07 | bin_bash | The apache.conf file is completely different than httpd.conf on centOS |
| 22:16.14 | Tynach | exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen |
| 22:16.15 | Tynach | failed command: SMART |
| 22:16.19 | Tynach | Could that be it? |
| 22:16.38 | abrotman | bin_bash: what's so hard abou tit ? |
| 22:16.45 | bin_bash | abrotman, the format is different |
| 22:17.05 | abrotman | i doubt the format of the files is different .. perhaps the file layout ? |
| 22:17.18 | bin_bash | right the layout |
| 22:17.23 | bin_bash | The layout is completely different |
| 22:17.25 | bin_bash | as are the paths |
| 22:17.29 | nvz | Tynach: well they would literally KEEP repeating over and over and over if the drive was dead// they'd overrun the dmesg buffer and be the only thing in it |
| 22:17.32 | abrotman | yes .. so what do hyou need help with specifically ? |
| 22:17.46 | bin_bash | Well |
| 22:17.46 | nvz | Tynach: but, yes these sorts of things tend to delay disk operations such as these |
| 22:17.46 | Tynach | bin_bash: I did a review for personal reasons about this, though the file is inaccessible right now. What are you trying to do? Debian does a lot of stuff for you that makes sense to do on CentOS, but CentOS sticks with raw Apache defaults because they have to support customers that do everything themselves. |
| 22:18.07 | bin_bash | well, when I try to load my page http://deimos.n0v4.com |
| 22:18.10 | bin_bash | it wants you to download the php code |
| 22:18.12 | bin_bash | for some reasn |
| 22:18.15 | bin_bash | reason* |
| 22:18.18 | bin_bash | and I have NO idea why |
| 22:18.38 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 22:18.48 | bin_bash | No. |
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| 22:19.00 | Tynach | bin_bash: then you don't have PHP support for Apache installed yet. |
| 22:19.01 | nvz | Tynach: think of anything dmesg has to say about the filesystem (prefixed such as ext3: or ext4:) or disks (prefixed ata or such) as kinda hitting a huge traffic jam where the system has to wait on the disk to reset and clear buffer, start all over again and retry the crc and blah blah blah |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | bin_bash: there's a good start |
| 22:19.09 | bin_bash | Tynach, that would explain it. |
| 22:19.22 | bin_bash | I have a php bot running on the server, so I thought I had all the necessary php shit installed |
| 22:19.27 | bin_bash | oops |
| 22:19.30 | bin_bash | I do have it installed |
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| 22:19.39 | Tynach | Ah, it's starting to hammer the hard drive again. |
| 22:19.41 | Tynach | Finally. |
| 22:19.42 | bin_bash | libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 22:19.45 | abrotman | bin_bash: a2enmod php5 |
| 22:19.54 | abrotman | bin_bash: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 22:19.59 | confusid | Where can I find info on the dvd sets? |
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| 22:20.03 | nvz | Tynach: what you did wrong here is fail to fsck and possibly even defrag first.. makes this go much more smoothly and less likely to fail |
| 22:20.11 | Tynach | bin_bash: it says it's trying to download a .phtml file. Try saving it as a .php file instead of .phtml. |
| 22:20.12 | abrotman | confusid: such as ? |
| 22:20.14 | nvz | notto mention backup |
| 22:20.25 | bin_bash | ERROR: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load is a dangling symlink! |
| 22:20.25 | bin_bash | ERROR: Module php5 does not exist! |
| 22:20.30 | Tynach | nvz, I did fsck first. |
| 22:20.34 | Tynach | And, it just finished. |
| 22:20.36 | Tynach | :D |
| 22:20.40 | bin_bash | Tynach, it's saved as index.php |
| 22:20.47 | confusid | There are 2 update dvd's for dvd 1 and dvd 2.. Do I burn them instead of the dvd 1 and dvd 2 or are they just updates of software that I also need? |
| 22:20.53 | confusid | i386 dvd sets |
| 22:21.16 | Tynach | bin_bash: have you currently modified any of the default Apache configurations on Debian? Added a virtual host, or anything like that? |
| 22:21.43 | bin_bash | Initially I had, but then I just undid it and now it's just the default config, |
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| 22:22.19 | Tynach | bin_bash: Are you SURE you undid it? Where are your files saved? /var/www or wherever the default is (I forget specifics)? |
| 22:22.35 | bin_bash | I have the apache.conf file in /etc/apache2 |
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| 22:22.55 | aguitel | any app like startupmanager in testing ? |
| 22:23.00 | abrotman | bin_bash: you deleted something you sohuldn't have |
| 22:23.04 | bin_bash | and the index.php file is in /var/www/ |
| 22:23.10 | bin_bash | abrotman, I didn't delete anything though. |
| 22:23.12 | bin_bash | I just added. |
| 22:23.29 | abrotman | bin_bash: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:23.31 | Tynach | bin_bash: I know that, but Debian is different. It has the apache.conf file actually import settings from other files throughout the /etc/apache2 folder. For example, it loads information on enabled virtual hosts from sites-enabled. |
| 22:23.58 | Tynach | And sites-enabled is actually just full of soft links to virtual host files that are kept in sites-available. |
| 22:24.29 | bin_bash | ah |
| 22:24.30 | bin_bash | hm |
| 22:24.32 | Tynach | You then use the a2ensite virthostname command to enable/disable (link/unlink) sites that are kept in sites-available. |
| 22:24.33 | bin_bash | okay i ran that, abrotman |
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| 22:24.41 | bin_bash | but it says my apache config is broken |
| 22:24.48 | bin_bash | Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
| 22:25.08 | abrotman | so unbreak it ? |
| 22:25.18 | bin_bash | I don't know what's broken about it though |
| 22:25.28 | abrotman | it has an error log |
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| 22:26.23 | bin_bash | maybe i should reinstall apache |
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| 22:27.51 | confusid | abrotman: do you know if the 2 update dvd's are ones I need to burn with dvd 1 and 2 or use them instead? |
| 22:28.06 | abrotman | confusid: you only need those if you're updating from a previous version |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | bin_bash: that's another option, but make sure you uninstall it the correct way |
| 22:29.10 | bin_bash | abrotman, i was going to do apt-get install --reinstall apache |
| 22:29.17 | bin_bash | apache2* |
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| 22:30.04 | bin_bash | abrotman, is that a bad idea? |
| 22:30.06 | Tynach | bin_bash: When you do get all the configuration worked down to the original way it came with Debian, do remember that Debian has a very different way of 'thinking' as far as apache configuration goes, and try to do it the 'Debian way'. For example, make your virtual host a file in sites-available, I would recommend copying the default one into a second file and modifying that second file to suit your needs. Then a2ensite yoursite and then ser |
| 22:30.35 | confusid | abrotman: ty |
| 22:30.59 | bin_bash | Tynach, that's similar to how I have it on CentOS. I ahve my vhosts in separate files and then use INCLUDE in the httpd.conf file |
| 22:31.08 | bin_bash | I didn't realize that debian was so different, but it's good to learn |
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| 22:32.19 | abrotman | bin_bash: have you made many customizations to the apache stuff ? |
| 22:32.33 | Tynach | bin_bash: then see, Debian does a lot of stuff for you :) |
| 22:32.35 | bin_bash | I must have broken something =/ |
| 22:33.24 | abrotman | bin_bash: have you made many customizations to the apache stuff ? |
| 22:33.28 | bin_bash | No |
| 22:33.56 | Tynach | bin_bash: that's not surprising. I've not messed with Apache configuration in several months (back when I took a class in it, possibly up to a year ago now?), but I remember I learned it on CentOS, and I had to re-learn it on Debian. So, I know what you're going through :) |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | bin_bash: aptitude purge apache2 apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:34.12 | abrotman | bin_bash: let me know when it's done |
| 22:35.00 | bin_bash | abrotman, it's done |
| 22:35.15 | abrotman | bin_bash: dpkg -l | grep apache | grep rc .. see anything ? |
| 22:35.28 | bin_bash | no |
| 22:35.47 | abrotman | bin_bash: mv /etc/apache2/ /etc/apache2.20120518/ |
| 22:35.53 | abrotman | just in case |
| 22:36.08 | bin_bash | done |
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| 22:36.23 | abrotman | bin_bash: aptitude install apache2 libapache-mod-php5 |
| 22:36.44 | bin_bash | No candidate version found for libapache-mod-php5 |
| 22:36.55 | abrotman | sorry |
| 22:36.58 | abrotman | bin_bash: aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:37.02 | abrotman | shows his age |
| 22:37.16 | bin_bash | what's the difference, if you don't mind me asking, between aptitude and apt-get |
| 22:37.24 | abrotman | can we cover that later? |
| 22:37.29 | bin_bash | sure |
| 22:37.32 | abrotman | after apache is working |
| 22:38.08 | bin_bash | okay done |
| 22:38.31 | abrotman | bin_bash: does it start now ? |
| 22:38.42 | bin_bash | yep |
| 22:38.56 | abrotman | bin_bash: does php5 work now ? |
| 22:39.07 | bin_bash | no it's still downloading the file |
| 22:39.21 | abrotman | tried with wget ? |
| 22:39.31 | abrotman | browsers kind of suck for testing initial setup |
| 22:39.46 | ranix | !tell bin_bash -about aptitude |
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| 22:39.59 | abrotman | ITYM "why aptitude" |
| 22:40.10 | bin_bash | abrotman, what should I wget? |
| 22:40.15 | abrotman | your index.php |
| 22:40.35 | ranix | abrotman: wanted to include all the factoids since there are why and why not |
| 22:40.45 | ranix | linked in the main aptitude factoid |
| 22:41.05 | bin_bash | when I wget deims.n0v4.com it gives me this |
| 22:41.07 | abrotman | bin_bash: i got code .. |
| 22:41.11 | bin_bash | 2012-05-18 18:40:56 (31.6 KB/s) - `index.html.1' saved [2757/2757] |
| 22:41.27 | abrotman | bin_bash: a2enmod php5 ; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 22:41.50 | bin_bash | Module php5 already enabled |
| 22:42.01 | abrotman | bin_bash: also pastebin the contents of your DocumentRoot |
| 22:42.06 | bin_bash | okay |
| 22:42.24 | bin_bash | DocumentRoot would be /var/www/ correct |
| 22:42.32 | Tynach | Great. Now my partition won't unmount. |
| 22:42.45 | Tynach | Oh, wait. Wrong mount point. |
| 22:42.47 | Tynach | Nevermind. |
| 22:42.54 | bin_bash | Tynach, I know that feel. |
| 22:42.56 | abrotman | bin_bash: grep the configs for it |
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| 22:43.10 | bin_bash | default.html deimos.jpg icons index.php poweredbydebian.jpg |
| 22:43.13 | bin_bash | that's all that's in /var/www |
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| 22:43.41 | abrotman | is there anything in default.html ? |
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| 22:44.05 | bin_bash | yeah one sec |
| 22:44.19 | bin_bash | https://pastee.org/d4dkg |
| 22:44.44 | abrotman | actually, shoudln't matter, index.php should take precedence |
| 22:45.02 | abrotman | bin_bash: if you look your apache logs and error logs, do you get any hints? |
| 22:45.11 | abrotman | in /var/log/apache2/ |
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| 22:45.49 | bin_bash | [Sat May 19 02:41:38 2012] [error] [client 69.249.189.238] File does not exist: /var/www/index.html |
| 22:47.11 | abrotman | is there one for the php file ? |
| 22:47.13 | abrotman | or when it starts ? |
| 22:47.18 | bin_bash | [Sat May 19 02:41:43 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 22:47.19 | bin_bash | [Sat May 19 02:41:44 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) PHP/5.3.3-7+squeeze8 with Suhosin-Patch configured |
| 22:47.32 | abrotman | that's normal |
| 22:47.41 | bin_bash | that;s it |
| 22:47.45 | bin_bash | after the index.html one |
| 22:47.50 | bin_bash | File does not exist: /var/www/index.html.1 |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | bin_bash: your server signature isn't showing PHP |
| 22:48.56 | bin_bash | idk how to fix that |
| 22:49.20 | abrotman | bin_bash: a2dismod php5 ; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ; a2enmod php5 ; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 22:49.52 | bin_bash | there |
| 22:49.54 | bin_bash | now it works |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | that was it ? |
| 22:50.01 | bin_bash | yeah |
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| 22:50.04 | bin_bash | try it yourself |
| 22:50.09 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 22:50.12 | bin_bash | thank you |
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| 22:50.21 | abrotman | looks like your images are broken, but i'm sure you can figure that out |
| 22:50.28 | bin_bash | yeah that's because the image files aren't there |
| 22:50.36 | abrotman | wonders if simonlnu stole them |
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| 22:51.56 | Tynach | Well, I gotta go. I've finally gotten past the point where I'm worried some filesystem tool will eat my babies, so I'm happy :) Thanks everyone! |
| 22:52.16 | abrotman | i hpoe he means not worried |
| 22:52.27 | bin_bash | there not it works. |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | now? |
| 22:52.34 | bin_bash | thanks for your help guys, I appreciate it. |
| 22:52.37 | bin_bash | now* |
| 22:53.36 | nsadmin | abrotman, being past the point of being worried, I think that means he's not worried anymore |
| 22:53.53 | abrotman | oh whoops, missed that part :) |
| 22:54.11 | abrotman | it was the eating babies part that concerned me |
| 22:55.27 | nsadmin | if one of the babies was named matt and was headless, armless and legless and positioned just outside a door... I'd be concerned too... |
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| 22:55.52 | simonlnu | laughs |
| 22:55.59 | TomyLobo | /usr/sbin/modem-manager is still running after apt-get remove modemmanager. wrong package? |
| 22:56.19 | abrotman | TomyLobo: you could just kill it ? |
| 22:56.38 | TomyLobo | well i want to make sure it's what i think it is |
| 22:56.52 | TomyLobo | i.e. know the package and read the description |
| 22:56.54 | simonlnu | well, i would think it was ;) |
| 22:57.50 | abrotman | judd: file sbin/modem-manager --release squeeeze |
| 22:57.56 | judd | Search for sbin/modem-manager in squeeze/i386: modemmanager: usr/sbin/modem-manager |
| 22:58.16 | nsadmin | get rid of an e |
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| 22:58.31 | abrotman | doesn't matter, that's the default |
| 22:58.47 | nsadmin | oh look, it did it |
| 22:59.12 | TomyLobo | wheezy though, but i'd guess that's the same |
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| 22:59.53 | nsadmin | , v modemmanager |
| 22:59.54 | judd | Package: modemmanager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4+git.20100624t180933.6e79d15-2; sid: 0.5.2.0-1; wheezy: 0.5.2.0-1 |
| 22:59.59 | bin_bash | Once I realized I didn't need to change the config files or anything |
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| 23:00.08 | bin_bash | it was easy to setup my other debian server |
| 23:00.10 | bin_bash | lol |
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| 23:00.11 | nsadmin | yep, sure is |
| 23:00.36 | bin_bash | abrotman, http://deimos.n0v4.come http://io.n0v4.com |
| 23:00.43 | nsadmin | bin_bash, debian tries pretty hard to give you reasonable configs |
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| 23:01.25 | abrotman | bin_bash: ? |
| 23:01.30 | bin_bash | they work |
| 23:01.35 | abrotman | oh, yay! |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | bin_bash: Debian tries to give you sensible defaults .. |
| 23:02.00 | abrotman | bin_bash: tries to make things simple to use |
| 23:02.05 | abrotman | unlike that blasted RHN |
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| 23:02.11 | bin_bash | yeah. it's just different than centos |
| 23:02.22 | abrotman | darn tootin |
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| 23:02.52 | abrotman | would rather have Debian everywhere, but $EMPLOYER doesn't seem to agree with that plan :) |
| 23:02.56 | bin_bash | lol |
| 23:02.59 | abrotman | or $VENDOR i suppose |
| 23:03.08 | bin_bash | I use Arch on my laptop |
| 23:03.17 | bin_bash | I have one CentOS server and two Debian servers |
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| 23:04.10 | TomyLobo | man so many processes running here |
| 23:04.14 | TomyLobo | and all of them make sense |
| 23:04.27 | TomyLobo | where does windows hide the equivalent of those? |
| 23:04.55 | simonlnu | threads probably |
| 23:05.29 | TomyLobo | services... most of them make no sense to me, even though they have more room to describe their function |
| 23:06.04 | TomyLobo | for instance RPC... why would you put that in a process and not the kernel? |
| 23:06.32 | TomyLobo | silly hybrid kernels |
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| 23:18.26 | TomyLobo | uh, why is my "hal" package gone and why didn't i notice |
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| 23:34.36 | TomyLobo | console-tools or kbd? |
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| 23:57.11 | korkman | systemd did not start dnsmasq on my machine. i guess that is since i boot with inactive networking, then activate network via wicd, so the network dependency of dnsmasq is never met? |
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